| 00:01.05 | Thrae | NeoTron: You're right, but there's also something else: the next Core i7 chipset releases mid 2009 or so will have serious upgrades, one of which is 6-core support (which will bring down the prices of the current 4-core i7s too). As well, Nvidia is planning to come out with a totally revised video hardware sometime mid to late 2009. And finally, SSD (Solid State Hard Drives, insanely fast) may become affordable by mid to ... |
| 00:01.11 | Thrae | ... late 2009. |
| 00:01.36 | Thrae | NeoTron: And of course, Windows 7 is due mid to late 2009. |
| 00:01.37 | hi11ie_ | EPIC4-2.6 (Plebiscite) + LiCe v4.2.0 |
| 00:01.43 | frop | well, next year...new pc |
| 00:01.47 | hi11ie_ | oops.. sorry |
| 00:01.48 | Wobin | so late next year is the best time to buy, eh? |
| 00:01.58 | Corr-work | fuck it, it's always like this |
| 00:02.03 | Thrae | Wobin: Yeah, we're in a transition period right now. |
| 00:02.06 | Corr-work | things always improve if you wait JUST a little longer |
| 00:02.15 | Wobin | truedat |
| 00:02.19 | frop | omg, sexymap "default" is kinda shiny :D |
| 00:02.28 | Wobin | frop: Sexy, innit? |
| 00:02.29 | Corr-work | either that, or i always seem to go shopping just when we're hitting transition pionts |
| 00:02.56 | Wobin | Corr-work: It's all a balance of "Ooh, shiny and newer if I wait a bit" and "Good god, my current stuff is utter crap" |
| 00:02.57 | Thrae | Corr-work: There are milestones and there are transition periods, where you can get the latest crap but it's uber expensive and the older crap is cheap enough to last you until the newer crap gets affordable |
| 00:03.48 | Thrae | Corr-work: The milestones are where there's newer crap AND its affordable |
| 00:03.50 | Codayus_ | True. The i7 transition is pretty big, and does change the situation. |
| 00:04.00 | Thrae | Or, a LOT of newer crap to upgrade for serious changes |
| 00:04.21 | Corr-work | hmm, i see |
| 00:04.43 | Thrae | For one, if you're not a computer builder yourself but are a gamer, Windows 7 is right around the corner... |
| 00:04.49 | Wobin | Antiarc: Could there be an option for Sexymap to do the idle spin when not moving, but then do the specified rotation when you -are- turning? It's just a shiny behaviour addition, but would be cool |
| 00:05.21 | Wobin | So I hear Windows 7 is Vista(DoneRight) |
| 00:05.25 | Thrae | Sometimes there are hyped things and sometimes they are truly tastey things, and right now we have a lot of truly tastey things coming in 2009 |
| 00:05.34 | Wobin | I thought they were starting from scratch =P |
| 00:05.58 | Corr-work | i won't say that i've warmed up to Vista, but i will say that the frigid loathing has thawed a bit |
| 00:06.15 | Thrae | Wobin: You're thinking the Singularity project. If you follow the design of Microsoft operating systems, it goes like this: |
| 00:06.16 | Antiarc | Wobin: Hm. Seems like the transition could be jarring. |
| 00:06.18 | Wobin | Corr-work: Sounds like the majority of adequate microsoft products |
| 00:06.34 | Wobin | Antiarc: Well, it would start the rotation at the point it currently is |
| 00:06.42 | Wobin | the forced rotation that is |
| 00:07.00 | Wobin | Thrae: Ah, yeah, I get confused easily =) |
| 00:07.06 | Wobin | That sounds more like what I recall |
| 00:07.41 | Wobin | Antiarc: of course, I'm looking at the default rings as not being direction specific, which it might be |
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| 00:08.23 | Wobin | Antiarc: more of just a rotational indicator than a cardinally directional one |
| 00:08.26 | frop | wooot HudMap... |
| 00:08.30 | frop | ...crazy :) |
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| 00:09.46 | Antiarc | HudMap is awesome. <_< |
| 00:09.57 | Wobin | @project HudMap |
| 00:10.04 | Antiarc | HudMap is a sexymap module |
| 00:10.31 | Wobin | I'm guessing a mostly transparent fullscreen sexymap? |
| 00:10.46 | Antiarc | Fully transparent except for tracking blips, gathermate, and routes data |
| 00:10.51 | Wobin | woo |
| 00:11.02 | Wobin | perpendicular to the user? |
| 00:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: and pvp objectives. ;) |
| 00:11.10 | Wobin | or on a psuedo 3d plane? |
| 00:11.12 | NightHawkTheSane | those are freaking massive. |
| 00:11.17 | Thrae | Wobin: 1) Steal DOS, 2) Make DOS Shell (Windows 3.1), 3) Make Semi-Multitasking DOS-based Distribution (Windows 9x) 4) Combine new NT Server techniques with DOS (Windows ME), 5) Slam on a pretty, powerful GUI to a NT Server kernel (Windows XP), seriously hacking it to make it a desktop distribution yet still have some level of backwards compatibility, 6) Try to fix all your security, performance, and horrible, hacky API ... |
| 00:11.18 | Antiarc | Nah, flat like the minimap |
| 00:11.22 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, unfortunately :( |
| 00:11.26 | Thrae | ... problems with last NT-based kernel (which reduces compatibility from DOS-based even further) and make an even prettier GUI and add crap people hate (Vista), 7) Seriously reduce the amount of extratenous crap you put in Vista, especially the GUI, and tweak the kernel just a tiny bit |
| 00:11.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: *nod* i know its not something that can be fixed, i find it more hilarious than anything, though ;) |
| 00:12.00 | Corr-work | you skipped windows 2k |
| 00:12.08 | frop | mmmh, got the "Quest Timers" always visible under the minimap :P |
| 00:12.44 | cbreak | quest timers are anchored at the mini map afaik |
| 00:12.49 | Corr-work | i must say, fuck compatibilit with DOS-based things |
| 00:12.50 | Thrae | The problem people have with Vista is all the extra crap they don't need or want, and it makes them overlook the fact that the Vista kernel itself is miles, miles better then XP's |
| 00:12.58 | frop | cbreak aye |
| 00:13.03 | Corr-work | compatibility, that is. we have to move on SOME time. |
| 00:13.12 | cbreak | they could do it like apple handles backwards compatibility |
| 00:13.12 | Wobin | Thrae: So would there be a Vista(zomgusable) in the future? |
| 00:13.15 | frop | but i'm experiencing a "bug" while trying to move them |
| 00:13.20 | Corr-work | how does apple handle it? |
| 00:13.20 | cbreak | offer emulation for some time, and then cut it off |
| 00:13.30 | frop | the movers remains attacked to the mouse pointer :P |
| 00:13.34 | Corr-work | never do what apple does. whatever apple does, do something else. |
| 00:13.37 | frop | and i need a /reloadui |
| 00:13.40 | Wobin | Antiarc: oh, btw, with Sexymap's movers, I often get the achievement tracker stuck to my mouse |
| 00:13.46 | Thrae | The reason the new Vista kernel and breaks compatibility with some of XP is *because* of the fixes and improvements to the API, since XP would let you hack the planet if you let it |
| 00:13.49 | Wobin | Yeah, what frop said =) |
| 00:13.49 | frop | same Wobin |
| 00:13.57 | Antiarc | Hm. I'll see if I can fix that. |
| 00:13.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: that's a good idea, god forbid you model after a successful company ;) |
| 00:14.02 | cbreak | the transformation from 68k to PPC was done with emulation and fat binaries, from ppc to intel with emulation and fat binaries. |
| 00:14.07 | frop | same for Quest timer...and now it's always visible |
| 00:14.12 | Corr-work | time for Godwin |
| 00:14.19 | Wobin | "Hitler" |
| 00:14.22 | cbreak | and the switch from os 9 to os x with a compatible api |
| 00:14.24 | Corr-work | hitler was a successful leader, to a point, but i'm still going to recommend not doing what he did |
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| 00:14.30 | Thrae | So everyone hates that Vista is not 100% compatible with XP, but it's for a good reason this time, just like the reason XP isn't 100% compatible with DOS-based OSes |
| 00:15.04 | Wobin | Thrae: Kind of like how everyone was coding to work around IE6's issues |
| 00:15.19 | Thrae | Corr-work: As for your Windows 2k snip, that wasn't marketed as a Desktop OS until Windows ME started crapping on people |
| 00:15.27 | Corr-work | :) |
| 00:15.38 | Thrae | Wobin: Right, IE8 actually starts breaking IE6 coding standards |
| 00:15.54 | Wobin | http://www.tburke.net/fun_stuff/pictures/computers/windows-cement.jpg |
| 00:16.18 | cbreak | IE6 standards? is that expression even valid? |
| 00:16.38 | Thrae | Microsoft is not 100% evil, they do make decent products, even though they charge you more then they should. |
| 00:16.49 | WobWork | pay for MS products? |
| 00:16.52 | Thrae | cbreak: crap is a standard |
| 00:16.52 | WobWork | *cough* |
| 00:16.54 | cbreak | microsoft is evil |
| 00:16.54 | Corr-work | indeed, and they produce some free stuff to support their stuff |
| 00:17.07 | cbreak | look at their current problems about "Vista Capable" |
| 00:17.09 | Corr-work | they try to take over existing standards and Microsoftize them |
| 00:17.13 | Corr-work | but at least they're not Apple :D |
| 00:17.20 | cbreak | hey, apple might be evil |
| 00:17.24 | Thrae | cbreak: Old news, they apologized |
| 00:17.24 | cbreak | but at least they are not powerful |
| 00:17.28 | cbreak | and make good products :) |
| 00:17.40 | Corr-work | i don't know, i haven't heard of any good products from apple |
| 00:17.46 | cbreak | uh... they apologized... I bet the people with "Vista Capable" computers are happy now :) |
| 00:17.48 | Corr-work | but that's subjective there |
| 00:17.56 | cbreak | I like my Mac and my mac os x |
| 00:17.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: i don't agree with everything apple does, but they ARE -extremely- successful. so they're doing something right. end of story |
| 00:18.15 | Corr-work | i despise the ipod and its non-removable battery, the horribly designed itunes, the iphone and its application store |
| 00:18.31 | cbreak | for ideological reasons? |
| 00:18.35 | Corr-work | the black plague was successful, but i still don't like it |
| 00:18.39 | frop | woot this HuD is exactly what i was searching for :) |
| 00:18.40 | Thrae | cbreak: Well, that was actually a collaboration with the OEM designers -- THEY were the ones putting on "Vista Capable" stickers. |
| 00:18.43 | frop | thank you Antiarc |
| 00:18.56 | cbreak | Thrae: and ms allowed it |
| 00:19.06 | cbreak | they set the standards for "capabilities" |
| 00:19.14 | cbreak | on demand of the oems, but still |
| 00:19.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: actually, i was vastly in favor of the plague, i wish it'd come back |
| 00:19.23 | Corr-work | i don't actually hate the iphone. i don't have any use for it. i've seen web pages that describe some unpleasant things about it, but i don't remember specifics. i know their application store is a load of ass, though. |
| 00:19.37 | cbreak | I hate all cell phones. |
| 00:19.39 | WobWork | What they need |
| 00:19.41 | cbreak | they are all useless |
| 00:19.45 | WobWork | is a wrist strap for the iphone |
| 00:19.49 | WobWork | like they do for the wii |
| 00:19.59 | Corr-work | i like how apple controls everything you can do with the iphone, all software you can put on it, and can arbitrarily decide to remove things from the store or actually deactivate them on the phones |
| 00:20.12 | WobWork | Corr-work: Android will have that too |
| 00:20.20 | cbreak | closed platform unfortunately |
| 00:20.21 | Corr-work | who or what is Android? |
| 00:20.25 | WobWork | google phone |
| 00:20.30 | cbreak | google's mobile platform |
| 00:20.39 | cbreak | it's a set of hardware and OS software |
| 00:20.42 | Corr-work | well good, i don't like cell phones like that anyway |
| 00:20.44 | cbreak | not really done yet though |
| 00:21.01 | cbreak | it's more or less open source though. according to google |
| 00:21.04 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: its in fairly good shape, really. |
| 00:21.05 | Corr-work | they can all be so proprietary that you have to get written permission from the manufactuerer to stick it in your pocket for all i care |
| 00:21.08 | Thrae | cbreak: They made Vista Basic on demand of the OEMs, and then the OEMs went and used faulty advertising. When you look at Vista Basic and Vista Home Premium, you see different spec requirements and different features, like AERO is toted in Home Premium. If the FCC or whomever can't even police most businesses from doing faulty advertising, why would it be up to a company like Microsoft? |
| 00:21.13 | Corr-work | i just don't think it's a good thing. |
| 00:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i've got android on my phone |
| 00:21.30 | Corr-work | my creative spelling techniques are blooming tonight |
| 00:21.35 | cbreak | they released it already? |
| 00:21.40 | Thrae | cbreak: If that's your idea of a really evil company, I'd say most companies are pretty evil |
| 00:21.46 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: yes |
| 00:21.49 | Thrae | Yeah, there are Android Phones out now |
| 00:21.55 | NightHawkTheSane | like a month ago |
| 00:21.55 | cbreak | yes! |
| 00:22.14 | cbreak | of course |
| 00:22.25 | cbreak | neither MS nor apple are as evil as haliburton |
| 00:22.27 | cbreak | blackwater |
| 00:22.30 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: slow response but.. I'd like to be able to play with max settings in 1920x1200... including shadows. I never used any shadows so I can't tell you which level would be needed for win |
| 00:22.34 | cbreak | or the chemical companies |
| 00:22.46 | Corr-work | chemicals~ :d |
| 00:23.46 | NeoTron | Thrae: oh and thanks for the "self built" example. that is pretty close |
| 00:24.08 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: well, see, they're you're moving from "percieved evil because of subjective views" to "objective evil because of offensively immoral behavior" :P |
| 00:24.25 | NeoTron | As for waiting for future core i7 - you can always wait 6 months or even 1-2 months and get better deals. It sucks but you can't wait forever |
| 00:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | there* |
| 00:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh |
| 00:24.32 | Thrae | NeoTron: Honestly, I would upgrade what you have now and save money for when Windows 7, new Core i7 improvements, new Nvidia graphics card, and SSD all become available / affordable |
| 00:24.39 | cbreak | ms and apple are evil because they don't do what we want |
| 00:24.49 | Corr-work | i am the ethical dictator. i determine what is ethical and what is not. |
| 00:24.49 | cbreak | evil evil companies are evil evil because they do harm |
| 00:24.53 | NeoTron | my current box is somewhat painful at times in LK and this is despite significantly lower than max details |
| 00:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: thats what i said, but in a less clear way ;) |
| 00:25.05 | Corr-work | NHTS is unethical. just... completely. yep. |
| 00:25.10 | Thrae | NeoTron: Right now your video card is the biggest bottleneck in your computer, you can upgrade it |
| 00:25.23 | Thrae | NeoTron: How much RAM again? |
| 00:25.27 | NeoTron | I can't really upgrade what I have now without new mobo, new cpu, new memory, likely new gfxcard etc |
| 00:25.32 | WobWork | video card is usually the largest expense =( |
| 00:25.45 | WobWork | everything else you can write off as other purposes |
| 00:25.52 | cbreak | :) |
| 00:25.52 | NeoTron | actually it's not |
| 00:25.53 | WobWork | Video card upgrades are purely for gaming =) |
| 00:26.01 | Corr-work | or folding proteins :3 |
| 00:26.02 | NeoTron | it's a over 3 yo system, it's rusty |
| 00:26.12 | NeoTron | my cpu doesn't even register on current cpu benchmark charts :P |
| 00:26.15 | WobWork | I can justify a larger monitor/hd etc |
| 00:26.28 | WobWork | cause I use the computer for stuff other than gaming =) |
| 00:26.33 | WobWork | but a video card? =) |
| 00:26.41 | Antiarc | Protip: Defragmenting your WoW directory solves stupid long load times :D |
| 00:26.41 | Corr-work | alright, i gotta pack this shit up and head home for thanksgiving. see ya |
| 00:26.46 | NeoTron | I upgraded from a 7800 glx to the 8800 and saw minimal gains. cpu is the main bottleneck. 2 GB |
| 00:27.03 | WobWork | I have the 8800gtx |
| 00:27.11 | WobWork | and I don't see myself upgrading very soon |
| 00:27.19 | Thrae | NeoTron: You upgraded to a lower-end 8800 GT 256MB, which wasn't the best choice |
| 00:27.25 | NeoTron | new with LK is likely too little memory leading to disk io issues too |
| 00:27.34 | Thrae | Yes |
| 00:27.36 | WobWork | mostly because I can't stand to see the money I put into the card going to waste =P |
| 00:27.37 | NeoTron | Antiarc: HFS+ doesn't really need defragging ;-) |
| 00:27.41 | Corr-work | 2gb should be enough memory for now |
| 00:27.49 | Antiarc | I'm on XP, so NTFS |
| 00:28.03 | WobWork | and there's no point in me getting more memory til I move to Vista or something |
| 00:28.21 | WobWork | which probably won't be til Windows 7 |
| 00:28.21 | cbreak | 4 GB of ram is nice |
| 00:28.23 | Thrae | Well with 4GB, you can almost place the biggest MPQs into memory |
| 00:28.29 | cbreak | I'd love to have that much :) |
| 00:28.35 | WobWork | unless he's running XP64? |
| 00:28.43 | Thrae | PAE |
| 00:28.43 | Corr-work | it depends on how much other stuff you have in memory at the time, too >_> |
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| 00:28.54 | Thrae | Corr-work: Hence "almost" |
| 00:28.57 | Corr-work | :) |
| 00:29.04 | cbreak | if you have a 512mb GPU |
| 00:29.11 | cbreak | you lose 512mb of address space |
| 00:29.15 | cbreak | just for IO |
| 00:29.26 | WobWork | Corr-work: running Vista? |
| 00:29.33 | cbreak | so with a 32 bit system, you can use about 3gb of memory on windows |
| 00:29.38 | WobWork | yeah =( |
| 00:29.44 | WobWork | damn those memory limits |
| 00:29.47 | Corr-work | i am, for what it's worth |
| 00:29.49 | NeoTron | Thrae: my pure 3d performance went up A LOT but my system can't even get close to driving wow at any significant fps |
| 00:29.50 | cbreak | (not sure if it gives that much to a single app anyway) |
| 00:30.11 | cbreak | on os x you can use the whole 4gb because the IO is in kernel memory only |
| 00:30.11 | NeoTron | it's purely a cpu issue |
| 00:30.22 | Thrae | NeoTron: Right now, your biggest bottleneck is not the CPU, but memory, especially for games like WoW. MMOs do a huge amount of texture swapping. The CPU is mostly for physics and various other tasks. |
| 00:30.22 | cbreak | but a 64 bit os is better :) |
| 00:30.38 | WobWork | hm, I've not read anything from NotAlwaysRight in quite some time... |
| 00:30.39 | NeoTron | but I can clearly notice it being a lot faster for things that are less cpu dependant |
| 00:30.41 | WobWork | I wonder what's up |
| 00:31.49 | NeoTron | cpu is still a huge issue, trust me. current cpu's, not even the fastest ones, are probably around 3x as fast |
| 00:32.22 | WobWork | but you go changing the CPU you then need to change the MB |
| 00:32.34 | WobWork | and at that point... you may as well upgrade the whole thing |
| 00:33.22 | cbreak | I am happy with my wow performance, appart from load times |
| 00:33.29 | NeoTron | http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/3DMark-Vantage-CPU,817.html <-- on that test for example my CPU is around 1650 |
| 00:33.34 | cbreak | flying around is anoying, porting is anoying |
| 00:34.07 | NeoTron | actually maybe not quite that low, test seems different |
| 00:34.22 | NeoTron | but similar to the E6300 at the very bottom |
| 00:34.40 | NeoTron | WobWork: that is my plan |
| 00:34.49 | NeoTron | it's not worth trying to upgrade this old computer |
| 00:35.29 | cbreak | lame. my cpu is not on that list |
| 00:35.31 | Thrae | NeoTron: Like I said, I don't think that's necessarily the case considering what's coming in 2009 |
| 00:36.26 | Thrae | NeoTron: Do you know what your MB is? |
| 00:36.43 | NeoTron | not sure butr.. AMD obviously |
| 00:36.52 | NeoTron | and I'm not buying AMD again |
| 00:37.05 | cbreak | nehalem test quite favorable |
| 00:37.21 | NeoTron | to put it bluntly, a $400 machine would blow my box away |
| 00:37.24 | Thrae | NeoTron: Start->Run->dxdiag, click "Save All Information", open up the DXDIAG.TXT file. It might have it in there. |
| 00:37.27 | NeoTron | even if I kept my existing graphics card |
| 00:37.34 | cbreak | someone from x264 said it's about 30% faster at the same frequency than penry |
| 00:38.32 | Thrae | cbreak: The main gain is the removal of the FSB, but the next chipset will also remove the NB which is another HUGE step up |
| 00:39.11 | cbreak | without the frontside bus, the cpu can't speak with the cards and devices |
| 00:39.14 | Thrae | cbreak: The next version of the Core i7 LGA1333 form factor |
| 00:39.16 | cbreak | what did they replace it with? |
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| 00:40.22 | cbreak | I barely bring my cpu load over 20% with wow though :/ |
| 00:40.27 | Thrae | cbreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport <-- Intel's version of this, which AMD has been using for a while |
| 00:40.29 | cbreak | not enough threading going on |
| 00:40.47 | Thrae | Like I said, WoW is mainly GPU heavy, not CPU heavy |
| 00:41.02 | Thrae | It eats memory for breakfast especially, loves more memory of all types |
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| 00:41.57 | Thrae | Makes sense when you're walking around in a capital city full of players who are a mish-mash of all kinds of different textures, as opposed to a normal single-player game where everything can be easily buffered |
| 00:42.29 | Thrae | different textures AND particle effects (glowing armour, etc.) |
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| 00:43.14 | cbreak | don't forget the models |
| 00:43.33 | cbreak | the whole environment is very data heavy |
| 00:45.11 | bleeter | WoW is also relatively heavy on the storage bus, given your cache is (obviously) empty to start with on install. If you start 'clean' in a major city and have a slow bus/drive kinda connection, you can end up with some interesting crashes |
| 00:45.43 | WobWork | "Aaaaall aboard the storage bus! *toottoot*" |
| 00:45.51 | |pez| | can't smeep ;__; |
| 00:45.58 | bleeter | particularly if you've got a lot of addons and alt-tab away while the progress bar does it's thing and are watching stuff and computing sha1sums and so forth |
| 00:46.10 | WobWork | bleeter: I do that all the time |
| 00:46.10 | bleeter | WobWork: TOOT TOO CHUGGA CHUGGA BIG RED CAR.. WAKE UP JEFF! |
| 00:46.18 | WobWork | rofl |
| 00:46.24 | NeoTron | Thrae: it's also very cpu heavy especially with various addons |
| 00:46.31 | NeoTron | plus the cpu has to be able to feed the gpu data |
| 00:46.38 | WobWork | aw damn, what's the song? toot toot chugga chugga... |
| 00:46.40 | jaxdahl2 | why can't i put a pipe character "|" in the GMOTD anymore? |
| 00:46.45 | WobWork | Or am I thinking of another song? |
| 00:46.49 | NeoTron | with LK a large issue is diskio/lack of memory for memory caching |
| 00:46.50 | bleeter | WobWork: The Wiggles are always good to quote when /general or /trade turns to 'standard' barrens chat ;) |
| 00:47.13 | WobWork | Bim bam gooly gooly gooly whatist |
| 00:47.21 | NeoTron | which is why I'll go with striping most likely (although considering raid 1+0) |
| 00:47.47 | WobWork | +gooly |
| 00:48.07 | bleeter | jaxdahl2: I think I recall the answer to that |
| 00:48.12 | WobWork | PS, I -love- the toy train set |
| 00:48.15 | WobWork | in game |
| 00:48.22 | NeoTron | and at least 6-8GB of memory |
| 00:48.28 | WobWork | I wish it didn't have a half hour cooldown |
| 00:48.36 | jaxdahl2 | bleeter, what is the answer? |
| 00:48.41 | bleeter | jaxdahl2: something about spell linking and a DOS |
| 00:48.47 | bleeter | though don't quote me on that |
| 00:49.51 | bleeter | WobWork: Monty Python quotes are also good distruptors of chuck norris facts ;) |
| 00:49.56 | WobWork | s'true |
| 00:50.14 | WobWork | Y'know, I bet Vin Diesel was pissed off that Chuck too his schtick |
| 00:50.22 | jaxdahl2 | ¦ seems like i can use that character instead |
| 00:50.31 | Thrae | NeoTron: I think you may be able to get great FPS for only $200 |
| 00:50.52 | WobWork | (if you're staring at a wall...) |
| 00:50.57 | cbreak | if I had 16gb more ram, I could put wow into a ram disk. |
| 00:51.08 | Thrae | WobWork: On an upgrade to his current machine ;) |
| 00:51.10 | bleeter | cbreak: that's the way to go |
| 00:51.17 | Thrae | cbreak: SSD |
| 00:51.22 | WobWork | mmm SSD |
| 00:51.27 | cbreak | SSD sucks for writing. |
| 00:51.28 | WobWork | I should buy one |
| 00:51.34 | cbreak | installing/upgrading would take ages |
| 00:51.40 | bleeter | cbreak: I'd say even just the Cache folder in ramdisk might be a significant improvement |
| 00:51.50 | Thrae | cbreak: Only the original SSD, the newer models are comparable |
| 00:52.02 | bleeter | which is fairly crazy ass, cache in ramdisk, if you think about it >< |
| 00:52.06 | cbreak | my cache folder is 9mb... I doubt that matters much |
| 00:52.26 | bleeter | heh, yeah, then just shove the data folder in ramdisk |
| 00:53.11 | cbreak | 12gb... still, EEC FB DDR memory for 800mhz costs a fortune :( |
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| 01:00.13 | Thrae | NeoTron: Think about http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130377, which is a huge upgrade over your current video card, and also the price of 2GB more memory. |
| 01:01.01 | Thrae | NeoTron: I seriously think that can seriously improve your FPS enough to your satisfaction while waiting for a *good* Core i7 to become *affordable*. Seriously. |
| 01:06.53 | NeoTron | I personally disagree. with my CPU nothing exciting will happen |
| 01:07.00 | NeoTron | I am absolutely not GPU bound in the slightest |
| 01:07.16 | cbreak | you could profile it |
| 01:07.20 | NeoTron | a bit more memory would indeed help but it won't make it run smoother, just load smoother |
| 01:07.59 | Codayus_ | Speaing of SSDs and ram drives and such... |
| 01:08.00 | Codayus_ | http://www.fusionio.com/ |
| 01:08.07 | Thrae | NeoTron: If you read what me and cbreak talked about, you'd see why memory is very important to MMOs. |
| 01:08.22 | NeoTron | when you upgrade to a 2x as fast gfx card, if not more than that, and see maybe 1-3 fps more in a raid you know the gpu is not the issue |
| 01:08.59 | Thrae | What was your original card again? |
| 01:09.09 | NeoTron | 7800 GLX something rather. 128 MB I think |
| 01:09.35 | |pez| | grr, hisshiss, I need to get my JCing to 350 |
| 01:09.59 | NeoTron | and when running 3dmark and another game whcih I don't recall right now, the difference was striking |
| 01:10.24 | Thrae | WoW Raids are NOT a good performance indicator. Even GTX260s will stutter on the highest settings at times. |
| 01:10.58 | NeoTron | http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q1-2008/Doom-3,561.html good example |
| 01:11.22 | cbreak | raid with 15 mages as dps and enjoy 60 syncro frostbolt spell effects :) |
| 01:11.42 | NeoTron | reasonbly so at least - it's too old to have the newer GT cards |
| 01:12.00 | Thrae | Desktop Graphics Cards are designed mainly for first-player gaming, not serious texture and particle effect fest on a crappy graphics engine. |
| 01:12.07 | NeoTron | still about 2x |
| 01:12.28 | Thrae | NeoTron: You must also remember, WoW's graphics engine is relatively crappy compared to better first-player engines. |
| 01:12.38 | cbreak | crappy? |
| 01:12.56 | cbreak | I'd say most other engines would totally fail to even display half the actors involved in many raids |
| 01:13.33 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, because most other engines try to display more than a thousand triangles per model with minimal effects :P |
| 01:13.39 | Thrae | cbreak: There aren't many good game engines there, period |
| 01:13.44 | ZorbaBeta | WoW is not a high-visual-effects engine |
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| 01:14.12 | |pez| | feeeh, all my JC stuff is green. |
| 01:14.14 | NeoTron | Thrae: which is exactly why a gfxcard won't be any noticeable upgrade in my current system |
| 01:14.35 | NeoTron | more memory would help with the dalaran "loading lag" where I stutter from hell and back when first loading in |
| 01:14.54 | NeoTron | but it wouldn't noticeably affect fps when things is already loaded |
| 01:14.55 | Thrae | NeoTron: Except you went for a balanced upgrade when your real problem is memory bandwidth |
| 01:15.23 | Thrae | In WoW, you're never not loading and unloading a shitload of things into memory unless you're standing still staring at a wall |
| 01:15.48 | Thrae | This is about equally heavy on both GPU memory and RAM for different things. |
| 01:16.08 | Thrae | If there is not enough GPU memory, it will try to use RAM at a much slower speed too. |
| 01:17.23 | NeoTron | let's also put it this way - it was fine, if not stellar, until WotLK |
| 01:17.34 | NeoTron | which is a lot more resource hungry |
| 01:17.59 | Thrae | NeoTron: Look at it this way -- you can buy a GTX260 for ~$220 and if you don't see enough improvement, build your system from cyberpowerpc.com without the graphics card and install the video card yourself. It's a very easy installation. |
| 01:18.13 | NeoTron | for sure |
| 01:18.30 | Thrae | NeoTron: I think that's the most fiscally responsible thing to do here. |
| 01:18.55 | Thrae | Unless you really think you will somehow hurt the video card by installing it yourself, but you've upgraded one yourself already... |
| 01:19.18 | NeoTron | there are extra circumstances also though - my current system is becoming increasingly more unstable |
| 01:19.47 | NeoTron | nah I'm confident enough to build my own computers, just don't really have the time to do it anymore |
| 01:19.53 | Thrae | Oh, well that might have been nice to mention earlier. You could have failing hardware components. |
| 01:20.04 | NeoTron | but I've built my own in the past 10 years |
| 01:20.17 | Thrae | In fact, your failing hardware components might be the cause of WotLK, stressing your system, to perform even slower then it should. |
| 01:20.29 | NeoTron | it's one reason why I am watning to buy premade too - better wiring and ventilation etc |
| 01:20.48 | NeoTron | I'm capable of putting one together but I'm not good at keeping the insides clean if we put it that way |
| 01:20.58 | Thrae | Right. |
| 01:21.36 | NeoTron | and it's becoming increasingly more complex to match proper components too. like the system wouldn't work at all until I moved some cable around (with the 8800 card) to, I guess balance the load on the two 12-volt outputs of the |
| 01:22.19 | Thrae | Well, I still think buying the GTX260 yourself is a good idea just to see how to it goes. If it doesn't work, you can always throw it in your new $1800 system and make it SLI for even more power. |
| 01:22.35 | NeoTron | out of curiosity though, what is it that supposedly will come in 6 months? |
| 01:22.50 | NeoTron | I know you mentioned 6-way processors but any architectual benefits ? |
| 01:22.56 | NeoTron | I don't exactly need a 6-way cpu :P |
| 01:24.08 | cbreak | wow does not use more than two cpus. |
| 01:24.13 | cbreak | unfortunately :( |
| 01:24.35 | |pez| | ... I'm stupid. :) |
| 01:24.48 | bleeter | ~fail Blizzard |
| 01:24.48 | purl | Blizzard: FAIL! |
| 01:25.11 | Thrae | NeoTron: Greatly decreased prices (such as the 6-core CPU making the 4-cores much, much cheaper), higher memory channels meaning cheaper lower speed DDR3, modern SSD technology with fast write speeds and possibly decent pricing, greatly improved Nvidia chipset architecture and CUDA utilization, removal of the NB from Core i7-based motherboards, Windows 7, and some other things |
| 01:25.15 | |pez| | I've been wondering why the hell I haven't been seing JC designs I can learn at the trainer... |
| 01:25.27 | Tuller | whee, bought a macbook |
| 01:25.28 | |pez| | aaaand... it seems I've not checked the "available" thing. :P |
| 01:25.41 | NeoTron | cbreak: well it barely uses more than 1.1 on windows and perhaps 1.5 or so on macos |
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| 01:26.27 | Thrae | NeoTron: In summary, a whole bunch of GOOD new crap that's actually cheaper then current prices |
| 01:26.57 | cbreak | either way. if you buy a cpu now |
| 01:27.02 | cbreak | it'll be outdated soon |
| 01:27.06 | cbreak | same with graphics card |
| 01:27.12 | cbreak | but if you buy memory now... :) |
| 01:27.14 | NeoTron | everything will always get outdatee |
| 01:27.25 | Thrae | It's a milestone |
| 01:27.27 | Tuller | windows 7 will be good times |
| 01:27.36 | AnduinLothar | Hey sbo, what should i name my char? |
| 01:27.40 | Tuller | 32 nm core chips will be too, in theory |
| 01:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 01:28.02 | Thrae | Sometimes a $1800 computer today vs 6 months from now will be 25% better, in this milestone, we're looking at 75% to 100% |
| 01:28.05 | Tekkub | AnduinLothar, sbooge |
| 01:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't you already have a name? |
| 01:28.12 | NeoTron | Thrae: my point of view is - I waited 2 months for core i7. I can wait 6 more moths for whatever is next |
| 01:28.13 | AnduinLothar | my name got reported again |
| 01:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 01:28.18 | Tekkub | sboobs |
| 01:28.33 | Tekkub | it's an onomottopea (sp?) |
| 01:28.35 | Thrae | NeoTron: Can or can't? |
| 01:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | He's... mentioned here in Wrath quite a bit |
| 01:28.41 | NeoTron | or another 12 motnhs for the next best thing |
| 01:28.41 | NeoTron | or I can buy now and enjoy it for those 6-12 months and another 12-24 months after |
| 01:29.14 | NeoTron | I can, meaning if I wanted to I could |
| 01:29.16 | Thrae | NeoTron: Right, but there are hardware milestones which make some of today's components obsolete, that's the major difference |
| 01:29.17 | AnduinLothar | yeah whatever, i dont really care except that now i have to post on the forums with my alt |
| 01:29.18 | Tekkub | AnduinLothar having to think up an original name.. never thought I'd see it |
| 01:29.20 | NeoTron | you can always wait but at some point you need to bite the bullet |
| 01:29.23 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: I'm... really not good at all with names |
| 01:29.25 | Tuller | I wanna say new gpus soonish |
| 01:29.30 | NeoTron | Thrae: which, frankly, the core i7 was no? |
| 01:29.34 | |pez| | AnduinLothar: Schmoo! |
| 01:29.37 | Tuller | in that, the current nice ones just dropped significantly in price |
| 01:29.42 | AnduinLothar | actually, i used Wraithhammer for like 6mo last time my name got reported |
| 01:29.43 | batrick | core i7 is too awesome to wait for the next gen cpu |
| 01:29.44 | Thrae | NeoTron: Not the first iteration of the Core i7, no |
| 01:29.46 | Tekkub | just name your guy "Andi" |
| 01:29.52 | NeoTron | it seems quite a superior architecture which blows the benchmarks away |
| 01:30.04 | Thrae | batrick: I'm talking about the next iteration of the Core i7 LGA1333 form factor |
| 01:30.16 | batrick | the 6 cores? |
| 01:30.16 | NeoTron | like even the 920 is often matching or beating high end core 2's or quad cores |
| 01:30.28 | Thrae | batrick: And no more need for NB, etc. |
| 01:30.38 | batrick | i don't see a real reason to wait for the rest of the nehalem sub-architectures |
| 01:30.39 | NeoTron | NB? |
| 01:30.40 | bleeter | Thrae: Andi's probably taken |
| 01:30.42 | batrick | post Bloomfield |
| 01:30.44 | bleeter | bah |
| 01:30.47 | bleeter | Tekkub: ^^ |
| 01:30.56 | Thrae | NeoTron: NorthBridge, it's another bottleneck |
| 01:30.57 | Tekkub | Andie |
| 01:31.00 | Tekkub | Andey |
| 01:31.04 | Thrae | Especially for overclocking |
| 01:31.05 | Tekkub | Artie |
| 01:31.11 | bleeter | 'Ayyou' |
| 01:31.15 | Tekkub | Arfus |
| 01:31.17 | batrick | I'll be buying the low end core i7 soon, waiting to have time to put a PC together |
| 01:31.17 | NeoTron | I don't overclock as a rule |
| 01:31.23 | AnduinLothar | woah, new armory look? |
| 01:31.26 | Cralor` | Cailou |
| 01:31.28 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.29 | Tekkub | oh that'd be a good DK name |
| 01:31.33 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: yeah, i now see all your goldzlololol |
| 01:31.36 | Tekkub | FEAR THE WRAF OF ARFUS |
| 01:31.49 | Thrae | NeoTron: You've spent too much time with AMD ;) |
| 01:32.03 | Cralor` | arfus has a bukkets |
| 01:32.10 | Tekkub | AnLo? |
| 01:32.15 | Thrae | NeoTron: The newer sub-architectures of the Core i7 will actually overclock itself for single-core games |
| 01:32.19 | AnduinLothar | AL |
| 01:32.26 | Tekkub | Andlot... Sandlot! |
| 01:32.27 | NeoTron | yes but when I got the x2 4400 it was still a good one to get. |
| 01:32.28 | AnduinLothar | no 2ltr names is there |
| 01:32.32 | NeoTron | pre-core2 architecture |
| 01:32.40 | Tekkub | Sandy, there it's settled |
| 01:32.43 | AnduinLothar | what's the shortes allowed name? 4chars? |
| 01:32.44 | Tekkub | Sandi if that's taken |
| 01:32.47 | NeoTron | Thrae: err that's not part of the current one? |
| 01:32.48 | AnduinLothar | 3 |
| 01:33.00 | Tekkub | Al |
| 01:33.01 | Thrae | NeoTron: No, that's coming with the elimination of the NB |
| 01:33.09 | NeoTron | well THAT is lame |
| 01:33.12 | Thrae | I think, I have to double-check on that |
| 01:33.17 | AnduinLothar | you can have 2letter names? |
| 01:33.21 | Tekkub | prolly not |
| 01:33.26 | Tekkub | you can have 3 |
| 01:33.32 | Tekkub | I have Cub many times over |
| 01:33.47 | Cralor` | TekCub :D |
| 01:33.47 | bleeter | '64core laptop' lolol http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/26/patterson_keynote_sc08/ |
| 01:33.57 | NeoTron | Thrae: part of the reason I wanted a core i7 was the whole "overclocking" feature |
| 01:34.19 | Thrae | NeoTron: Double-check which versions have it then before you buy |
| 01:34.22 | Tekkub | XORuin |
| 01:34.50 | Tekkub | hell, just go with Xor, it's nerdy but sounds cool to non-nerds |
| 01:35.10 | AnduinLothar | lol i should change it to AnduinLotharr |
| 01:35.19 | Cralor` | Acklebale |
| 01:35.38 | Tekkub | AndyLotharrrr |
| 01:35.49 | cbreak | pirate? |
| 01:35.56 | Cralor` | Lothand |
| 01:35.57 | AnduinLothar | pretty dumb tho, look at all these: http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Anduinlothar&searchType=all |
| 01:36.13 | Tekkub | Andoth |
| 01:36.18 | Cralor` | lol posers! |
| 01:36.25 | Tekkub | so be a bitch and go report them |
| 01:36.56 | AnduinLothar | i think one of them's my alt |
| 01:37.16 | Tekkub | you'll notice when you log onto that realm to report him |
| 01:37.19 | AnduinLothar | oh no, he's only lvl 5 |
| 01:37.34 | AnduinLothar | i think |
| 01:37.47 | Tekkub | how about Alo.. like "'alo 'alo" |
| 01:37.50 | AnduinLothar | oo i know, how about sboo |
| 01:37.56 | Tekkub | Alot |
| 01:38.01 | NeoTron | http://www.intel.com/Consumer/Learn/Desktop/corei7-detail.htm seems to indicate it's part of the existing ones right now |
| 01:38.02 | AnduinLothar | jsut to piss off sbo |
| 01:38.12 | Tekkub | I just sbo'd my pants |
| 01:38.18 | Tekkub | that pisses him off more |
| 01:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: taken, by me |
| 01:38.34 | AnduinLothar | lulz |
| 01:38.40 | Tekkub | sboooooo |
| 01:38.41 | AnduinLothar | 5bo |
| 01:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Along with Sbooz, Sboz, and other |
| 01:38.54 | Tekkub | sboooon |
| 01:39.08 | Thrae | NeoTron: Yeah, Google seems to indicate the actual effect you're talking about, "Turbo Mode" or "Dynamic Speed Technology", is only available in the EXTREME editions. The 920 has what's called "Intel Turbo Boost". |
| 01:39.13 | ScytheBlade1 | s/other/others/ |
| 01:39.33 | Tekkub | hell, go for a BC name, no one will care about them anymore... Illibeans! |
| 01:39.53 | NeoTron | the extreme edition is bascially overclockable while the other ones aren't |
| 01:40.18 | AnduinLothar | how about 'targettarget' |
| 01:40.28 | Tekkub | Pet |
| 01:40.33 | Thrae | NeoTron: Sorry, I'm mistaken -- they changed the name from "Intel Turbo Boost" to "Dynamic Speed Technology", and since the EXTREME came out later, they used the latter term there. So they are the same thing. |
| 01:40.33 | AnduinLothar | it'll fuck up everyone's arena macros |
| 01:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: unitIDs are restricted from names |
| 01:40.51 | AnduinLothar | or maybe just mine |
| 01:40.59 | AnduinLothar | no, onyl the simple ones |
| 01:40.59 | Tekkub | Badgerbadger |
| 01:41.00 | Thrae | NeoTron: So the 920 DOES have it, my mistake. |
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| 01:41.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 01:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "party" is |
| 01:41.13 | AnduinLothar | complex ones aren't |
| 01:41.15 | ScytheBlade1 | "target" is a subset of "targettarget" |
| 01:41.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Well good luck then ;) |
| 01:41.23 | Tekkub | uh, "party" have numbers in em |
| 01:41.28 | Tekkub | you can't do numbers in names |
| 01:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It's still restricted |
| 01:41.38 | AnduinLothar | partytargetpet |
| 01:41.48 | AnduinLothar | pettarget |
| 01:41.50 | Tekkub | Constipated |
| 01:41.57 | Tekkub | I mean, Consicrated |
| 01:42.00 | Tekkub | (sp) |
| 01:42.16 | Thrae | Honestly even with my current setup, I'm worried I can't even wait 4 months to switch from Core 2 Duo (Quad) to Core i7... |
| 01:42.22 | AnduinLothar | ~spellcheck Consicrated |
| 01:42.24 | Thrae | I need moneys. |
| 01:42.33 | AnduinLothar | worth a try |
| 01:43.04 | AnduinLothar | ~names |
| 01:43.30 | AnduinLothar | how about... Rogue |
| 01:43.45 | Tekkub | Platerack |
| 01:44.10 | Tekkub | and the spelling's Consecrated |
| 01:44.14 | Tekkub | go go google |
| 01:44.34 | AnduinLothar | didn't rly care, was jsut checkign if slacker bot had a spellchecker |
| 01:44.42 | NeoTron | anyhow ime to head out. ttfn |
| 01:44.43 | Tekkub | letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=consicrated |
| 01:44.49 | Tekkub | heh, real results even |
| 01:45.05 | Tekkub | purl sucks |
| 01:45.06 | purl | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 01:45.10 | Tekkub | someone should ban it |
| 01:45.11 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:46.26 | AnduinLothar | wonder if 'Programmer' is taken |
| 01:46.26 | mikma | hey, smart people. are there any way of transferring audio from pc to another in realtime? like streaming the sounds of wow to another computer which has sounds |
| 01:46.26 | Tekkub | this is a pally we're naming, right? |
| 01:46.33 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:46.46 | Tekkub | Lightbirte |
| 01:47.06 | Tekkub | mikma, if you grab the right recording device you can channel it into vent or such |
| 01:47.28 | AnduinLothar | Programmer's availible |
| 01:47.34 | |pez| | JC is profitable, yees? |
| 01:47.36 | Wobin | ~spell consicrated |
| 01:47.41 | Tekkub | Codemonkey is better |
| 01:47.43 | Wobin | tada |
| 01:47.54 | Tekkub | purl fails, no constipated |
| 01:48.22 | Tekkub | Code monkey.. that funkey monkey |
| 01:48.39 | Wobin | codemonkey likes cheetos |
| 01:48.47 | Wobin | codemonkey likes Tab and MtnDew |
| 01:48.56 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 01:48.58 | Wobin | is that fritos? |
| 01:49.04 | Tekkub | tab is nasty |
| 01:49.08 | Codayus_ | True. |
| 01:49.09 | Wobin | you and your crazy american snackfoods |
| 01:49.58 | Tekkub | whatever, you and your timtam thing |
| 01:50.16 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. timtams |
| 01:50.42 | AnduinLothar | whole bunch of 'Nil' |
| 01:51.09 | AnduinLothar | couple nottrue |
| 01:51.20 | Tekkub | WTB a laser mouse that doesn't have an "open" hole cat hair can stick in |
| 01:51.29 | Wobin | "We call him Little Johnny Tables" |
| 01:51.47 | mikma | tekkub: lol, same problem here |
| 01:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: shave your cats, imo |
| 01:52.12 | Tekkub | laser mice are the shit, till you have a med/longhair cat |
| 01:52.24 | AnduinLothar | how about 'Damagemeter' |
| 01:52.29 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, I ran over fuzz the other night and took out a huge chunk |
| 01:52.34 | Tekkub | he looks the same |
| 01:52.49 | Tekkub | Retardin? |
| 01:52.54 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why you shave, not rip out chunks with a chair :p |
| 01:52.59 | Wobin | BubbleBoy |
| 01:53.02 | Tekkub | Bubbs |
| 01:53.13 | Tekkub | I wanted to name mine Bubba but it was taken |
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| 01:55.15 | AnduinLothar | Orangenipple? |
| 01:55.44 | Tekkub | Nipplevar |
| 01:55.53 | AnduinLothar | that's what we called the orange circle, i dunno how common that is |
| 01:56.01 | AnduinLothar | looks lieka nipple |
| 01:56.36 | Tekkub | most people on my server say "Shackle condom" |
| 01:56.54 | AnduinLothar | i've heard that more on my current server, ya |
| 01:57.23 | Tekkub | "Latex condom... I wish I could afford to live in one of those..." |
| 02:00.01 | AnduinLothar | wonder if 'Doomhammer' is taken |
| 02:00.09 | AnduinLothar | then i could be Doomhammer on Doomhammer |
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| 02:01.44 | AnduinLothar | most origonal name ever |
| 02:03.36 | Tekkub | Doomydoom |
| 02:03.42 | Tekkub | I'm going to sing the doom song! |
| 02:03.51 | Ycarene | Make it Dewmhammer |
| 02:04.02 | Tekkub | Doomscrewdriver, a gnome |
| 02:04.15 | Tekkub | gnome DK! |
| 02:04.16 | AnduinLothar | wonder if Squishy is taken |
| 02:04.24 | Tekkub | Squeesh |
| 02:04.31 | Ycarene | I have a gnome DK, her name is Nadira |
| 02:05.03 | Ycarene | Doomspanner? |
| 02:06.08 | AnduinLothar | think i'm gonna go with Squishy if no one has a < lvl 10 with it taken |
| 02:06.34 | AnduinLothar | should be fun for pvp |
| 02:06.39 | AnduinLothar | Attack the squishy! |
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| 02:07.00 | AnduinLothar | awww unavaailible |
| 02:07.22 | Wobin | PS http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/3060504199_5aab35769c_o.png |
| 02:07.25 | Wobin | (yay!) |
| 02:07.48 | AnduinLothar | yay full set of gear? |
| 02:07.54 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: "OneInTheDress" |
| 02:08.01 | Wobin | yay Kirin Tor Familiar =P |
| 02:08.10 | AnduinLothar | ooh |
| 02:08.22 | Wobin | and I was wearing my newbie gear cause it looks better than anything I've got =) |
| 02:08.54 | AnduinLothar | oo i know |
| 02:09.00 | AnduinLothar | darkhelmet |
| 02:09.24 | Thrae | Wobin: WAR has a title called "The Fashionable" for dying your clothes more then 5 times. |
| 02:09.28 | AnduinLothar | wonder if anyone will report me for that |
| 02:09.44 | Wobin | Thrae: I got all the naked achievements in WAR =P |
| 02:09.54 | Wobin | I wish we could dye our equipment here |
| 02:10.26 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: "VendorBait" |
| 02:10.43 | AnduinLothar | Presidentskroob |
| 02:11.34 | Cralor` | Vregmach |
| 02:12.52 | AnduinLothar | Pizzathehutt |
| 02:13.46 | AnduinLothar | wait what... there's a Spaceballs: The Animated Series... how did i miss that |
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| 02:15.18 | tekkub | why oh why must OSx86 be so damn sluggish |
| 02:15.27 | tekkub | my HDD light is fucking solid |
| 02:15.45 | AnduinLothar | turn off drive sleeping? |
| 02:16.42 | tekkub | I just booted, why whould the drive be slept? |
| 02:16.58 | tekkub | nope, it's off |
| 02:20.47 | AnduinLothar | wtb t7 on http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/ |
| 02:39.58 | |pez| | Woo, I can finally use Prospecting on Cobalt XD |
| 02:43.32 | AnduinLothar | http://xkcd.com/91/ |
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| 02:49.17 | abyx | What event is fired when someone in combat-loggable range gains a buff? more specifically than COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 02:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... friendly or hostile? |
| 02:51.54 | abyx | buff.. so friendly |
| 02:52.26 | abyx | i would look this up normally but i'm in the middle of a naxx25 raid about to pull thaddius |
| 02:52.31 | tekkub | you can see hostile buffs too |
| 02:52.54 | tekkub | idea, wait till your damn raid is over then |
| 02:53.40 | |pez| | ^^ |
| 02:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And yet another virus killed by process explorer |
| 02:58.57 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:59.23 | Wobin | does an SQL union implicitly apply distinct to the results? |
| 02:59.45 | tekkub | if it was implicit, why would the command exist at all then? |
| 02:59.59 | Wobin | cause it's of use elsewhere? |
| 03:00.06 | tekkub | lies! |
| 03:00.25 | Wobin | I'm applying a concept =P |
| 03:00.29 | Wobin | I can rephrase |
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| 03:01.03 | Wobin | does an SQL union only return unique results to the combination? |
| 03:01.06 | Codayus_ | Wobin: The UNION operator selects only distinct values by default. To allow duplicate values, use UNION ALL. |
| 03:01.13 | Wobin | Codayus_: Ta =) |
| 03:01.24 | Wobin | That makes my life easier to have it have the distinct |
| 03:01.29 | Codayus_ | 1) SQL is a terrible terrible language. |
| 03:01.41 | Wobin | I'm cringing that I have to use union in the first place |
| 03:01.56 | abyx | LOL thaddius down and right as he dies everyone dives in on the boss completely forgetting about the positive/negative debuff and half the raid blows up |
| 03:02.09 | Codayus_ | 2) http://www.w3schools.com/sql/sql_union.asp |
| 03:02.27 | Codayus_ | (And other pages linked from there. Bestest SQL reference evar.) |
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| 03:15.03 | schnoggo | need some advice from the brain trust... |
| 03:15.09 | schnoggo | Trying to create a mini task bar that has your current quest items in it. Needs to able to use the items during combat. I update the contents on bag and zone events. |
| 03:15.09 | schnoggo | Looks like we have a lot of options nowadays for creating the actual buttons. I'm looking for a recommendation on which frame template to inherit to create the buttons with the least effort. :) |
| 03:15.19 | Tem|afk | wtf? |
| 03:15.27 | Tem|afk | I just had a druid beg me for a port to darn |
| 03:15.33 | Tem|afk | a level 65 druid |
| 03:15.44 | Tem|afk | in stormwind of all places |
| 03:16.02 | tekkub | I had a 45 mage ask me to cast "spell of fortitude" on him |
| 03:16.05 | tekkub | I was on my pally |
| 03:16.15 | Tem|afk | lol |
| 03:16.16 | Thrae | Tem|afk: But it takes so long to fly from Moonglade |
| 03:16.19 | tekkub | in shitwind also, I need to get out of that fucking town |
| 03:16.31 | Tem|afk | you don't like SW? |
| 03:16.38 | Tem|afk | SW is my favorite capital |
| 03:16.39 | tekkub | hate it |
| 03:16.47 | Tem|afk | Dalaran is nice, but it feels too small |
| 03:16.57 | tekkub | Sexodar > Darn Asses > IF >>>> SW |
| 03:17.26 | Thrae | Does Dalaran have portals to all the capital cities like Sharrathazam does? |
| 03:18.20 | Thrae | tekkub just likes the wiggling tails everyone has in "Sexodar" |
| 03:18.35 | tekkub | actually I like it cause it's peaceful |
| 03:18.58 | tekkub | I've had to deal with more stupid idiots in SW since wrath dropped thatn I have in Sexo during all of BC |
| 03:19.43 | Thrae | tekkub: http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=somethingnew2.jpg <-- That's Tekkub's friend |
| 03:20.39 | Thrae | I am so behind on Supermegiatopia's galleries and visions. I need to catch up one day. |
| 03:21.50 | tekkub | nah I like http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=notaurens.jpg |
| 03:22.26 | Thrae | I bet you do |
| 03:22.38 | tekkub | and of course, http://www.supermegatopia.com/booty/gallery/gallery.php?thisLink=breezy.jpg |
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| 03:26.33 | kmcguire | Hey |
| 03:26.39 | kmcguire | I am having some problems getting the IMG tag to work with the SimpleHTML widget. All other tags work correctly. "<html><body><p><img src="Interface\Icons\Ability_Ambush" width="32" height="32" align="center"/>hello</p></body></html>", will not produce any image, but the text appears. |
| 03:27.01 | kmcguire | What am I doing wrong. As that is what the WOWWIKI site shows. |
| 03:27.12 | mikma | kmcguire: "Interface\\Icons\\Ability_Ambush" |
| 03:27.39 | kmcguire | ... <hangs head> ... |
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| 03:28.13 | kmcguire | I knew about escape sequences.. by god.. lua is so new.. and it just drove me nuts. |
| 03:28.25 | kmcguire | Thanks, mikma. |
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| 03:28.41 | kmcguire | You are a life saver. |
| 03:29.16 | mikma | kmcguire: and you started with SimpleHTML in lua? that's... wicked |
| 03:31.03 | kmcguire | Ha, well I am a master at C and embedded development. But, the simplest things trip me up. |
| 03:33.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Visual Studio's automatic testing capabilities are pretty cool |
| 03:33.19 | Shirik|Ecole | An actual use for CLR that I like |
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| 03:41.42 | Wobin | no matter how I try |
| 03:42.02 | Wobin | I can never work unit tests into my workflow |
| 03:43.54 | Cralor` | sbo: where can i find a syntax coloring descript for process explorer? |
| 03:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: what? |
| 03:48.43 | Cralor` | the process coloring |
| 03:49.02 | Cralor` | where can i find out what each color means? |
| 03:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The help menu? |
| 03:49.23 | Cralor` | been looking. maybe i didnt look hard enough |
| 03:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | red means recently killed, grey means suspended, green means new |
| 03:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Just watch what happens and it all fits |
| 03:50.15 | Cralor` | like recently killed by what? other programs? |
| 03:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "killed" is all that matters |
| 03:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | by most anything |
| 03:51.44 | Cralor` | whats light purple and light red |
| 03:51.51 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: what did you want |
| 03:52.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I wanted you to confirm my theory for final project for dsp but I think I proved it on my own |
| 03:52.58 | Shirik|Ecole | however the filter I designed has 2536 poles :/ I don't think I can convolve that long of a sequence... but we'll see! |
| 03:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know. Find out? |
| 03:54.16 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: you can pretty much skipme for any dsp advice, i never had to take that class |
| 03:54.32 | Shirik|Ecole | it wasn't dsp advice, it was signals & systems advice :) |
| 03:54.41 | batrick | ya well i forgot a lot of that shit |
| 03:54.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I think |
| 03:54.44 | batrick | and i sold my book |
| 03:54.47 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 03:54.51 | batrick | because it was a POS |
| 03:55.00 | Shirik|Ecole | you got out of the class and were like "thank god never doing that again ffs" |
| 03:55.08 | batrick | pretty much |
| 03:55.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I have an A in DSP right now :) |
| 03:55.23 | batrick | grats =) |
| 03:55.26 | Shirik|Ecole | and I still don't understand it |
| 03:55.33 | batrick | hehe |
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| 03:59.06 | Shirik | screw you Guest93066 |
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| 04:00.07 | Corr-work | yeah! |
| 04:00.10 | Corr-work | down with guests! |
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| 04:12.31 | AnduinLothar | renamign my char reset all my settings, boo |
| 04:14.50 | Corr-work | can you just rename the old charac...no, you can't just rename the folder |
| 04:15.01 | Corr-work | you'd have to search-and-replace all instances of the old name in all savedvariables files as well |
| 04:15.13 | AnduinLothar | they already rename the folder, but they move all the files to .bak |
| 04:15.21 | AnduinLothar | it's dumb |
| 04:15.36 | Corr-work | that's... strange, what? the game reacts to the name change? |
| 04:15.41 | AnduinLothar | so i could restore them, but it'd be tedious |
| 04:16.42 | Corr-work | i spent some effort making my UI identical on all my characters, and making it easy to propogate configuration changes across characters |
| 04:16.46 | AnduinLothar | seems to have deleted all my local macros too |
| 04:16.55 | Corr-work | yeah, those are in a macros text file |
| 04:17.08 | AnduinLothar | nope, empty |
| 04:17.16 | Corr-work | er, well, i guess that's sucky >_> |
| 04:17.28 | AnduinLothar | i might have a copy i transfered to beta |
| 04:18.08 | AnduinLothar | guess not |
| 04:18.18 | Corr-work | :( condolances |
| 04:19.56 | AnduinLothar | i better have my Baggins settings backed up or i'll kill someone |
| 04:20.20 | AnduinLothar | that's abotu the only settings i cant just fix in 5min |
| 04:20.45 | Corr-work | if it stores settings per character like a lot of them did in 2.4, they should be available under the old name still |
| 04:20.55 | AnduinLothar | it does |
| 04:23.37 | AnduinLothar | got my macros back :) |
| 04:24.27 | Corr-work | yay! how? |
| 04:24.50 | AnduinLothar | found another copy i had |
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| 04:34.01 | Tekkub | I find it funny how wowinsider can take a 1 sentence blue post and turn it into a 4 paragraph blog post |
| 04:34.42 | Thunder_Child | not if you get paied by the word |
| 04:35.02 | Tekkub | it's just proof they like to hear themselves type |
| 04:35.14 | Tekkub | cause they got motivation to! |
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| 04:35.57 | ScytheBlade1 | wowinsider is entertaining |
| 04:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly I just laugh at it |
| 04:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 04:41.52 | Shirik | oh I'm sure if it were Cairenn you would be happy right now |
| 04:41.54 | Shirik | I see how it is |
| 04:42.07 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:42.17 | Wobin | So Sbo is fussier than Cairenn! |
| 04:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 04:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
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| 04:43.37 | Cairenn | so now you guys are saying I'm easy? |
| 04:43.41 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:43.42 | Cairenn | ... |
| 04:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa now |
| 04:43.51 | Thunder_Child | You are easy |
| 04:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I -never- even inferred that |
| 04:44.45 | Wobin | What's the opposite of an 'intersection' (in set theory) |
| 04:45.26 | Wobin | hm, 'Except' |
| 04:46.32 | Shirik | union? |
| 04:46.36 | Shirik | or do you literally mean the opposite |
| 04:46.42 | Shirik | everything that is not the intersection? |
| 04:46.53 | Corr-work | the notintersection |
| 04:46.59 | Corr-work | ahah, ahahah |
| 04:47.04 | Shirik | ~lart Corr-work |
| 04:47.04 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Corr-work!" and lops off Corr-work's head |
| 04:47.07 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.13 | Wobin | yeah, the 'set difference' |
| 04:47.38 | Shirik | I call it the not of the intersection :) |
| 04:48.02 | Shirik | (a ^ b) with a bar over it |
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| 04:54.43 | AnduinLothar | Venture Co. Pilot yells: More intruders? You'll soon learn, no one messes with the Venture Company! |
| 04:54.56 | AnduinLothar | if he's the Co pilot, who's flying that thing? |
| 04:55.18 | Shirik | cog|away: ping |
| 04:55.37 | Shirik | ~lart AnduinLothar |
| 04:55.37 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to AnduinLothar, and goes postal |
| 04:55.58 | AnduinLothar | ~pet purl |
| 04:55.59 | purl | ACTION reaches over and pets purl on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
| 04:57.29 | Tem | Venture COMPANY pilot |
| 04:58.48 | NightHawkTheSane | "copilot" vs "Co. Pilot" >.> |
| 05:05.15 | Corr-work | SIGH |
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| 05:10.42 | Shirik | f the internet |
| 05:11.09 | Shirik | we need some way of having everything permanently connected to everything |
| 05:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129063921&sid=1 |
| 05:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That didn't take long |
| 05:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | " How do I opt out of the Armory so people can't see how much or how little I've played and how much gold I've earned? I looked on my account management screen and also in game and I can't find the opt-out for it. How do I do this?" |
| 05:12.04 | Corr-work | well, this person seems a little behind the times |
| 05:12.05 | Seerah | armory shows money and how much/little you've played now? |
| 05:12.13 | Thunder_Child | the cloud Shirik, the cloud |
| 05:12.15 | AnduinLothar | all achievements |
| 05:12.19 | Corr-work | it should show how much money you've spent on the game |
| 05:12.38 | AnduinLothar | and statistics |
| 05:12.40 | Corr-work | that could be a scary figure for some people |
| 05:12.40 | ZorbaTHut | this bar indicates how much of a life you have |
| 05:12.43 | ZorbaTHut | oh, look, it's empty |
| 05:12.47 | Corr-work | :( |
| 05:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Seerah: total aggregate money, not current amount |
| 05:13.02 | AnduinLothar | the money only counts from 3.0 |
| 05:13.10 | AnduinLothar | i think it shows current too |
| 05:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 05:13.30 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: Wouldn't it indicate the inverse of how much of a life you have? |
| 05:13.43 | Thrae | I hear if you put in your Mythic account name, you get the coveted "Left Warhammer to Play Wrath of the Lich King" acheivement. |
| 05:14.06 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I'm imagining a bar that starts full, and gradually empties as you spend time on WoW |
| 05:14.13 | Shirik | You know what, for some reason people hate macros in C and #define |
| 05:14.19 | Shirik | But seriously, how many other languages let you do something like this |
| 05:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ... because they're evil |
| 05:14.54 | Thrae | Shirik: I made a STL-like vector implementation using void pointers and #define logic. |
| 05:15.12 | Shirik | I just made creating unit tests equal to a one-liner |
| 05:15.17 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/102914 |
| 05:15.27 | Shirik | I can now create any unit test by doing GEN_TEST(classname, operator) |
| 05:15.29 | Thrae | Shirik: I was working on making it entirelly using #define, but I think I broke the pre-processor |
| 05:16.27 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: I see :) |
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| 05:18.16 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 05:21.46 | Shirik | Thrae: In C? |
| 05:22.05 | Thrae | Shirik: Yes. |
| 05:23.16 | Shirik | scary |
| 05:23.30 | Shirik | I do wish the preprocessor would make multiple passes, though |
| 05:23.36 | Shirik | so you could generate preprocessor code |
| 05:23.44 | Shirik | I tried that once |
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| 05:37.34 | Wobin | I can't believe I wrote this function... |
| 05:38.08 | bnovc | can you reload just a single addon without doing /rl |
| 05:38.18 | bnovc | its pretty annoying to reload for 30s every time |
| 05:38.23 | Wobin | no |
| 05:38.24 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 05:38.30 | Tekkub | no :P |
| 05:38.34 | Wobin | (Hasn't this been asked before? By you?) |
| 05:38.41 | Tekkub | addonloader delayed is your friend |
| 05:38.42 | bnovc | i'm sure its been asked but not by me |
| 05:38.47 | Wobin | rightio |
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| 05:39.01 | bnovc | Tekkub: an addon that loads other addons or something? |
| 05:39.09 | Tekkub | yes |
| 05:39.16 | Dewin1 | DD-WRT, don't fail me now. |
| 05:39.23 | Tekkub | I use addonloader conditions is every one of my addons that I can |
| 05:39.33 | Thunder_Child | "there is nothing cooler than a llama Lamp" |
| 05:39.35 | bnovc | ok ill check that out, thanks |
| 05:39.38 | Tekkub | *in |
| 05:40.03 | Wobin | return (from i in GetActiveSchoolInfo() select new {CRMID = i }).Except((from s in ScanDirectory() select new { s.CRMID }).Distinct()).Count(); |
| 05:40.07 | Wobin | >< |
| 05:40.22 | Wobin | terrible linqabuse |
| 05:40.57 | AnduinLothar | yay chaining |
| 05:41.12 | Wobin | Single line function =P |
| 05:41.29 | Wobin | returns a list of ID of which we don't have a file for =P |
| 05:41.45 | AnduinLothar | fun times |
| 05:42.29 | Wobin | I -really- like what LINQ can do |
| 05:42.47 | AnduinLothar | never heard of it |
| 05:43.00 | Wobin | it's a .NET 3.5 thing |
| 05:43.22 | Wobin | basically allows you to use SQL syntax on enumerable objects |
| 05:43.43 | AnduinLothar | what, select statements? |
| 05:43.48 | Wobin | yep |
| 05:44.00 | AnduinLothar | that cant be fast.. |
| 05:44.15 | Wobin | treats them as tables |
| 05:44.18 | Wobin | it's fast enough |
| 05:44.54 | AnduinLothar | yeah with non of the optimizations that make tables fast in a real database language |
| 05:45.29 | AnduinLothar | spose it doesn't matter if your data's all in memory anyway |
| 05:47.55 | Shirik | Ow :( |
| 05:48.09 | Wobin | well for what I'm using it for, doesn't involve databases |
| 05:48.11 | Shirik | Finished writing my unit tests. Results: 2/8 pass. |
| 05:48.20 | Wobin | it's just syntactical sugar in this case |
| 05:48.38 | Wobin | ~failrik |
| 05:48.39 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:48.45 | Wobin | I suspect that qualifies |
| 05:48.47 | Shirik | I can't be writing these at 1 AM |
| 05:48.50 | Shirik | I need to sleep |
| 05:50.20 | Shirik | night all |
| 05:50.24 | Shirik | Cairenn, don't stay up all night! |
| 05:50.32 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Shi |
| 05:50.36 | Cairenn | Shirik |
| 05:50.53 | bleeter | gnight Shirik |
| 05:51.31 | bleeter | kd3: my asus lappy with ATI chipset appears to have GLX foo happening outta the box using the open source driver.. throwing Wine at it atm :) |
| 05:51.48 | bleeter | kd3: er, with F10 on it ;) |
| 05:51.52 | Shirik | does google chrome ever come out with updates? |
| 05:52.07 | Wobin | Chromium does |
| 05:52.14 | Shirik | chromium? |
| 05:52.20 | Wobin | the nightly build |
| 05:52.21 | AnduinLothar | mac vers |
| 05:52.23 | bnovc | it has updated, they just don't tell people |
| 05:52.26 | bnovc | i think it has had 2 updates |
| 05:52.32 | Wobin | not mac specific |
| 05:52.37 | bnovc | really pissed me off when i found out it had updated |
| 05:52.47 | Shirik | I got it like 2 months ago or so |
| 05:52.54 | Shirik | and I still can't use it because it doesn't work well with my mouse |
| 05:52.58 | bnovc | ya me too and then i realized earlier this week that they had updated it |
| 05:53.09 | Shirik | eh, wtf |
| 05:53.13 | Shirik | it magically fixed itself? |
| 05:53.15 | Wobin | heh |
| 05:53.16 | bnovc | redownload it from their site and you'll have a newer version but they dont inform people of that |
| 05:53.19 | Shirik | Does it automatically update without me knowing? |
| 05:53.24 | bnovc | i dont think/know if it automatically udpates |
| 05:53.25 | Wobin | Shirik: open up 'about google chrome' |
| 05:53.30 | Wobin | and it'll automagically update |
| 05:53.33 | Shirik | I did that and it said it was up to date |
| 05:53.35 | bnovc | ah, guess thats how |
| 05:53.36 | Shirik | did it update without telling me? |
| 05:53.50 | Wobin | if it didn't ask you to reboot it didn't |
| 05:53.56 | Wobin | er restart |
| 05:53.57 | bnovc | i can't use chrome because it non-stop io's to my harddrive |
| 05:53.58 | Shirik | er |
| 05:53.58 | Wobin | the browser |
| 05:54.01 | bnovc | the noise is really irritating |
| 05:54.03 | Shirik | then wtf |
| 05:54.12 | bnovc | mine says it can't connect to the updates |
| 05:54.15 | Shirik | bnovc: How much RAM do you have |
| 05:54.20 | bnovc | 2GB in this machine |
| 05:54.36 | Wobin | I have version 0.1.154.25 |
| 05:54.39 | Wobin | gah |
| 05:54.42 | Wobin | I have version 0.4.154.25 |
| 05:54.53 | Shirik | same |
| 05:55.07 | mikma | lol wut, DK doesn't get *ANY* skills at lvl71?! |
| 05:55.16 | Wobin | wut? |
| 05:55.19 | Wobin | meh |
| 05:55.27 | Wobin | well... |
| 05:55.39 | Wobin | actually no. |
| 05:55.41 | Wobin | just meh |
| 05:55.48 | Shirik | meh |
| 05:55.58 | Shirik | also ~lart mikma |
| 05:56.03 | Shirik | DKs don't need any more skills |
| 05:56.18 | Wobin | well they are pretty l33t |
| 05:56.31 | mikma | yeah i don't want more, i want newer :D |
| 05:57.05 | Shirik | you don't need newer! |
| 05:59.14 | Shirik | anyway |
| 05:59.19 | Shirik | Seriously sleep time |
| 05:59.19 | Shirik | nini |
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| 06:02.44 | |Jelly| | Night Shirik; have a safe holiday. |
| 06:03.12 | Shirik | you too :D |
| 06:07.34 | Tem | mikma, none at 77 either |
| 06:08.11 | mikma | boo |
| 06:18.49 | batrick | ahhhh |
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| 06:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, this is neat.. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/11/26/iphone_killer |
| 06:38.54 | Tem | wtf |
| 06:38.58 | Tem | it makes coffee |
| 06:39.24 | Tem | and a shaver? |
| 06:39.26 | Tem | w |
| 06:39.26 | Tem | t |
| 06:39.27 | Tem | f |
| 06:39.49 | Thunder_Child | that is rather interesting NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:40.04 | Thunder_Child | the "universal translaotr" function os handy |
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| 06:40.57 | Tem | I wonder how good that actually is |
| 06:41.32 | Thunder_Child | since i assume it's a joke, not very...the idea is rather interesting though |
| 06:42.11 | Tem | I was still considering it plausible until the coffee thing |
| 06:42.21 | Tem | so the translator thing stuck in my head |
| 06:42.50 | Thunder_Child | i doubted at the projector but ya, the coffie thing killed it |
| 06:45.03 | Thunder_Child | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489235/ |
| 06:49.12 | AnduinLothar | lol, point the screen.... full hd |
| 06:51.01 | AnduinLothar | i want to know what it really said when he said "would you liek to split some garlic fingers' |
| 06:51.54 | AnduinLothar | rofl a straw..... |
| 06:52.54 | AnduinLothar | talk and shave at the same time.... |
| 06:53.02 | AnduinLothar | i'm dying here.. |
| 06:53.54 | AnduinLothar | play along harmonica with preset beats LOL |
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| 06:57.40 | Thunder_Child | "If intelligent design existed, my hand would be self-lubricating" |
| 06:57.59 | AnduinLothar | my hands sweat a lot... |
| 06:58.18 | Thunder_Child | salt water != lube |
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| 07:07.47 | AnduinLothar | someoen finally gto [Realm First! Grand Master Tailor]! |
| 07:11.05 | Tem | is that a big deal? |
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| 07:13.32 | AnduinLothar | all the other ones were gotten in like a few days |
| 07:15.02 | AnduinLothar | lol an ape dropped [Hefty Barrel] |
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| 07:42.19 | AnduinLothar | Dajik the Wasp Hunter says: Time for more smart Dajik tip! Crystals work little too good for back scratch. No try. |
| 07:42.26 | AnduinLothar | Dajik the Wasp Hunter says: Stay a while and listen. |
| 07:45.45 | Wobin | http://www.pomegranatephone.com/ |
| 07:45.52 | Wobin | I hear it's the next iPhone! |
| 07:46.16 | AnduinLothar | welcome to 10:32 |
| 07:49.09 | Wobin | You'd better check your clock |
| 07:49.13 | Wobin | I think you're out, somewhat |
| 07:49.39 | AnduinLothar | 10:23 thn |
| 07:49.57 | AnduinLothar | NightHawkTheSane posted it already |
| 07:50.41 | krka | yes, but what timezone? |
| 07:50.49 | AnduinLothar | who cares |
| 07:51.10 | krka | i do |
| 07:51.13 | krka | obviously |
| 07:52.05 | AnduinLothar | -8 |
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| 08:05.22 | ccox | pomegranate aka some kids college design project |
| 08:05.30 | ThaGob | rofl |
| 08:05.43 | AnduinLothar | sounds about right |
| 08:06.11 | AnduinLothar | tho the vid at the end makes it soudn like they fininced it |
| 08:06.47 | ccox | AnduinLothar: did you LOOK at all the stuff it claims to have built in? |
| 08:07.05 | AnduinLothar | i did, it was all very humorous |
| 08:07.19 | AnduinLothar | the comercial at the end was fairly dry tho |
| 08:09.03 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 08:09.16 | ccox | AnduinLothar: "shaver" "coffeemaker" "harmonica" ? It |
| 08:09.22 | ccox | 's B.S. |
| 08:09.39 | AnduinLothar | oh no, i didn't mean financed the phone. i meant financed the add |
| 08:09.41 | AnduinLothar | ad* |
| 08:09.46 | AnduinLothar | project* |
| 08:10.08 | ccox | #$%@#$% they need a "skip intro" button in a bad way |
| 08:10.24 | AnduinLothar | like, hey, we want somehting that will give us a lot of viral web traffic and egt peopel to watch our borign video |
| 08:10.54 | ccox | AnduinLothar: the "release date" button tells you what it's all about |
| 08:11.16 | ccox | As ads go, that's pretty bad |
| 08:11.46 | ccox | it doesn't really make me want to find out more, it just convinces me that the site was built by a nutcase (or student, same diff) |
| 08:12.36 | ccox | it might get some web traffic - good luck |
| 08:13.13 | Wobin | I don't think many people are after the "stay" |
| 08:13.22 | Wobin | They're after the catch nowadays |
| 08:16.08 | Wobin | he is making apricot chicken however. |
| 08:16.14 | Wobin | My mother assures me it's easy =P |
| 08:16.26 | ccox | odds are good that I'll be eating turkey through at least Tuesday (leftovers are the best part!) |
| 08:16.36 | Wobin | until you're sick of turkey |
| 08:16.44 | ccox | That would be Wednesday |
| 08:17.16 | ccox | Turkey sandwiches for a few days, then turkey pot pie with the bits and pieces |
| 08:19.15 | Cairenn | turkey chopped into bits then mixed in with rice |
| 08:20.05 | ccox | yeah, turkey and rice soup if there's too much left over (the soup freezes well) |
| 08:20.22 | ccox | hmm, you know - I think I'm out of wild rice |
| 08:20.38 | ccox | so unless I want to resort to the bleached stuff, I'll have to run to the store for more rice |
| 08:23.31 | Wobin | That involves moving -away- from the turkey =( |
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| 08:27.50 | ccox | Wobin - yes, but I can get the rice on the weekend (while working on sandwiches :-) |
| 08:29.03 | Cairenn | and club sandwiches, and cold with cheese and crackers and fruit, and fried up with rice, and ... |
| 08:29.17 | Wobin | fruit in rice? |
| 08:29.19 | Wobin | oh. |
| 08:29.20 | Tem | does it bother anyone one else that the paddlewheels on the boats to northrend don't move? |
| 08:29.21 | Wobin | sorry, misread |
| 08:29.24 | Cairenn | hehe |
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| 08:40.29 | AnduinLothar | is there a way to get a fontstring to wrap without definign a height? |
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| 08:43.28 | Maldivia | isn't it enough to set the width and specify that the font string should wrap? |
| 08:43.45 | AnduinLothar | yeah. i'm having trouble |
| 08:44.05 | Maldivia | it's truncating instead? |
| 08:44.21 | Maldivia | or is the wrapped text just not visible? |
| 08:44.21 | AnduinLothar | i'm trying to anchor the TOPLEFT and the RIGHT but that's not enough to make it wrap apparently |
| 08:45.04 | Maldivia | if it's only a font string, you can always set a large height on it, and see if that helps? |
| 08:45.17 | AnduinLothar | i need to know where the bottom is |
| 08:45.25 | AnduinLothar | how tall it would be wrapping |
| 08:45.29 | foxlit | Set the width only |
| 08:45.48 | AnduinLothar | going to have to i guess |
| 08:46.16 | Maldivia | why care if you set it too high? |
| 08:46.41 | AnduinLothar | cause i need to anchor things to it bellow and i dont want it coverign the text |
| 08:46.57 | Maldivia | yeah, ok |
| 08:47.17 | AnduinLothar | so i'm going to have to manually calculate the width |
| 08:47.40 | Maldivia | fontString:getStringWidth() /fontstring:GetWidth() * fontstring:GetStringHeight() |
| 08:48.07 | AnduinLothar | could work |
| 08:48.16 | Maldivia | might want to math.ceil the stringwidth/width part |
| 08:48.20 | AnduinLothar | there's no space in between lines? |
| 08:48.37 | Maldivia | think the space is in the GetStringHeight() value, but not 100% sure |
| 08:49.04 | AnduinLothar | also according to wowwiki the width wont update just by setting anchors |
| 08:49.19 | AnduinLothar | unless it's been fixed |
| 08:49.48 | Maldivia | width should update from anchors, unless you've specifically called SetWidth, in which case that value would be returned |
| 08:50.23 | Maldivia | (or well, that's how it seemed to worked, last time I played with it) |
| 08:51.56 | Maldivia | and if the spacing isn't included in the GetStringHeight, you can allways add fontstring:GetSpacing() |
| 08:54.08 | AnduinLothar | nope, GetWidth == GetStringWidth when you set 2 anchors |
| 08:54.17 | AnduinLothar | doesnt get the real width |
| 08:54.39 | Maldivia | buuh |
| 08:54.55 | AnduinLothar | (getright - getleft) / scale might work |
| 08:55.56 | AnduinLothar | dont remember if the scale is needed |
| 09:03.18 | Maldivia | think it is |
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| 09:09.08 | AnduinLothar | bleh cant use GetLeft/Right prior to screen rendering |
| 09:09.35 | Tem|afk | AnduinLothar, what are you trying to do? |
| 09:09.52 | AnduinLothar | it's complicated. i think i came up with a way |
| 09:10.03 | Tem|afk | short version before I go to bed? |
| 09:10.54 | AnduinLothar | fontstring wrap with a topleft and a right anchor |
| 09:11.15 | AnduinLothar | and be able to anchor things to the bottom, so it needs to be the right height |
| 09:11.26 | Tem|afk | ? |
| 09:11.33 | Tem|afk | don't set a height |
| 09:11.40 | Tem|afk | set your anchors |
| 09:11.43 | Tem|afk | and it'll wrap |
| 09:11.52 | AnduinLothar | no it wont |
| 09:11.57 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't |
| 09:12.00 | Tem|afk | yeah it will =P |
| 09:12.22 | Tem|afk | is that a topright or just right? |
| 09:12.25 | AnduinLothar | i have it coded... it's not wraping |
| 09:12.33 | AnduinLothar | just right |
| 09:12.39 | foxlit | Okay, question. Why do you care about the height of the wrapped string? :) |
| 09:12.40 | Tem|afk | that's probably your problem |
| 09:12.46 | AnduinLothar | i'm sure |
| 09:12.53 | AnduinLothar | there's nothign top right to anchor to |
| 09:13.05 | Tem|afk | set the width then? |
| 09:13.14 | Tem|afk | (instead of using the right anchor) |
| 09:13.19 | AnduinLothar | that's what i'm gonna do. but i have to manually calculate the width |
| 09:14.12 | Tem|afk | self:SetWidth(objectToMyRight:GetLeft() - objectToMyLeft:GetRight())? |
| 09:14.15 | Tem|afk | that's fugly |
| 09:14.20 | AnduinLothar | the first point is actually dynamic, so it could be a left or a bottom left is someone wanted |
| 09:14.41 | AnduinLothar | getright - getleft doesn't work before the screen has rendered |
| 09:15.06 | Tem|afk | to let the thing wrap, you can't imply a height |
| 09:15.19 | Tem|afk | that means no mixing of anchor types |
| 09:15.23 | Tem|afk | (top, middle, bottom) |
| 09:15.24 | AnduinLothar | you can, if you canculate it |
| 09:15.47 | Tem|afk | so mixing a topleft with a right instead of a topright is implying the height |
| 09:15.50 | AnduinLothar | topleft anchor + right acnhor + setheight works |
| 09:15.58 | Tem|afk | right |
| 09:16.10 | Tem|afk | although your right anchor is going to be way off |
| 09:16.16 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 09:16.42 | Tem|afk | right is in the middle |
| 09:16.43 | AnduinLothar | if you set the height to anythign it'll start the wrap |
| 09:16.55 | AnduinLothar | the height just decides how much is visible |
| 09:16.56 | Tem|afk | if you set the height to something else |
| 09:17.00 | Tem|afk | such that the middle moves |
| 09:17.01 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 09:17.04 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 09:17.07 | AnduinLothar | well |
| 09:17.09 | Tem|afk | the middle won't be where you expect it to be |
| 09:17.11 | AnduinLothar | anythign but 0 |
| 09:17.18 | Tem|afk | because ONE of the anchors has to win |
| 09:17.37 | Tem|afk | I'm not sure how that plays out |
| 09:17.47 | AnduinLothar | exactly why there's a problem :) |
| 09:18.07 | Tem|afk | just set the anchors up so there is no implied height and it works automagically |
| 09:18.22 | AnduinLothar | cant |
| 09:18.25 | AnduinLothar | well |
| 09:18.27 | AnduinLothar | i will |
| 09:18.37 | AnduinLothar | but i have to manually caclulate the width |
| 09:18.50 | AnduinLothar | as in dynamically after the first anchor |
| 09:19.10 | Tem|afk | yeah, I would avoid that at all costs |
| 09:19.33 | AnduinLothar | and actually, since the anchor could be anythign i need to check what it is |
| 09:19.47 | Tem|afk | actually, I might consider using an anchor frame for this |
| 09:20.20 | Tem|afk | use a dummy frame to anchor to the topleft and right of whatever |
| 09:20.44 | Tem|afk | anchor the fonstring to the topleft/topright or left/right however it works out of that frame |
| 09:21.05 | Tem|afk | no dirty manual calculation |
| 09:21.35 | AnduinLothar | um |
| 09:22.02 | AnduinLothar | so anchor the bottom of the parent frame to the bottom of the fontstring? |
| 09:22.27 | Tem|afk | can't do that |
| 09:22.32 | Tem|afk | it'll be a loop |
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| 09:22.54 | Tem|afk | assuming the fonstring is anchored to stuff that somewhere up the chain anchors to the parent |
| 09:23.14 | Codex| | anyone know the combat log even thats pushed when Flamestrike is cast? it isnt spell_cast_succeeded or spell_aura_applied |
| 09:23.38 | Tem|afk | if you're trying to make a frame expand automatically with some text inside of it, you might be best using a tooltip object |
| 09:23.51 | Tem|afk | SPELL_CAST_START imo |
| 09:23.55 | AnduinLothar | ew |
| 09:24.09 | Tem|afk | it's easier than it sounds =P |
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| 09:24.40 | Codex| | thanks tem let me try that |
| 09:24.54 | Codex| | does it only do that at the end of the cast or right when u start? |
| 09:25.13 | Tem|afk | SPELL_CAST_SENT and SPELL_CAST_START happen at the beginning of a cast |
| 09:25.28 | Tem|afk | get devtools and watch the events |
| 09:25.30 | Tem|afk | ~devtools |
| 09:25.35 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 09:26.27 | Codex| | so if i wanted to start a timer when flamestrike was done casting |
| 09:26.39 | Codex| | how can i find when it finished the cast |
| 09:28.00 | Codex| | Tem|afk: ? |
| 09:28.13 | Codex| | i cant just add the cast time onto the timer because haste will change it |
| 09:31.04 | AnduinLothar | calculate the haste? |
| 09:31.23 | Codex| | then it starts getting too hard, lol |
| 09:31.35 | AnduinLothar | get the end time from the castbar |
| 09:31.41 | AnduinLothar | or fromt eh cast event |
| 09:32.52 | Codex| | see what I did was modified seerah's frost niva timer to try and calculate how long flamestrike will be on the ground for |
| 09:32.58 | Codex| | real nice and easy to sub spells int oit to watch |
| 09:33.02 | Codex| | unless they dont use cast success |
| 09:33.41 | Codex| | polymorph used aura applied by that was easy too |
| 09:34.41 | Codex| | ~seen seerah |
| 09:34.45 | purl | seerah <n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-33-83.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4h 22m 40s ago, saying: 'armory shows money and how much/little you've played now?'. |
| 09:35.14 | Codex| | anduinlothar, how do i get the time fro mthe cast event? |
| 09:35.29 | AnduinLothar | figure out hwo the cast bar does it |
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| 09:44.37 | Codex| | ~seen gnarfoz |
| 09:44.38 | purl | gnarfoz is currently on #wowhead (4d 8h 53m 20s) #norganna (4d 8h 53m 20s) #wowuidev (4d 8h 53m 20s) #wowace (4d 8h 53m 20s) #curseforge (4d 8h 53m 20s) #wowwiki (4d 8h 53m 20s). Has said a total of 217 messages. Is idling for 16h 38m 23s, last said: 'what he said'. |
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| 10:37.50 | LiraNuna_ | anyone knows a mod for water elemental timer? Frosty is outdated |
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| 11:10.39 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/great_cornholio.jpg |
| 11:10.54 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 11:14.56 | mikma | np: 2 unlimited - No limits! - 01 - No limit.mp3 <- :DDDD |
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| 11:29.07 | Wobin | You reach for the stars! |
| 11:29.13 | Wobin | No river too deep! |
| 11:29.17 | Wobin | No mountain too high |
| 11:30.47 | Fisker- | hi |
| 11:35.54 | Thunder_Child | low |
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| 12:16.04 | Kimmeh | Hey folks |
| 12:19.21 | bcsbcs | Greetings im trying to make a mod that has an arrow that points to group leader, ideally just three arrows stacked and hiding the ones that arnt to be displayed at any one time, ie forward left or right, if I make a tga file with all 3 images whats the best way of grabbing that region of the file and applying it to a frame background or another widget thats better suited? |
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| 12:19.54 | zenzio | SetTexCoord I guess |
| 12:19.55 | Wobin | how are you getting the group leader's position? |
| 12:20.30 | bcsbcs | hmm forget command but it gets the x.y cords |
| 12:22.00 | bcsbcs | command getplayermapposition |
| 12:22.50 | bcsbcs | zenzio can that be used for a frame or would another widget be best suited? i dont want the frame itself to show at all just the arrow |
| 12:23.34 | zenzio | frames don't have any visual elements until you tell them to. If your texture has transparent parts, the arrows will appear to be floating in the air |
| 12:23.46 | Wobin | have a look at how tomtom does it |
| 12:23.56 | bcsbcs | ok great, thanks |
| 12:24.28 | bcsbcs | will do , tried to look at quest helper but its pretty big to find the parts that I needed. |
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| 12:55.25 | Kimmeh | Im still having problems with my Coordinates addon, anyone know how to get the GetCursorsPosition() x,y to sync with the GetPlayerMapPosition() y,y? |
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| 12:58.30 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until Tuesday, December 1st. . |
| 12:58.30 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aerie Peak, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Draenor, Dragonblight, Emerald Dream, Eonar, Lightbringer, Shadowsong, Stormrage, Thunderhorn, Turalyon, Quel'thalas. |
| 12:58.30 | Shiibot | Al'Akir --> Dentarg, Xavius. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle Cartel, The Sha'tar. Burning Legion --> Ahn'Qiraj, Daggerspine. Crushridge --> Bladefist, Karazhan. Drak'thul --> Burning Blade, Deathwing |
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| 13:03.16 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until Tuesday, December 2nd. . |
| 13:03.16 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aerie Peak, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Draenor, Dragonblight, Emerald Dream, Eonar, Lightbringer, Shadowsong, Stormrage, Thunderhorn, Turalyon, Quel'thalas. |
| 13:03.16 | Shiibot | Al'Akir --> Dentarg, Xavius. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle Cartel, The Sha'tar. Burning Legion --> Ahn'Qiraj, Daggerspine. Crushridge --> Bladefist, Karazhan. Drak'thul --> Burning Blade, Deathwing |
| 13:03.44 | mikma | FYI: dont even bother to visit the trainer of DK at level71+72 |
| 13:04.08 | mikma | 71 = no new talents, 72 = blood boil rank(3) |
| 13:05.34 | Wobin | BB is good... |
| 13:05.36 | Wobin | for tanking |
| 13:05.54 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:05.55 | mikma | but don't think you need it while leveling |
| 13:06.04 | Wobin | I should go start the CoT walkabout quest |
| 13:06.07 | Wobin | now that I'm 66 |
| 13:06.07 | mikma | lvl73 will bring some good stuff for unholy! |
| 13:06.32 | Wobin | k night night |
| 13:06.34 | Industrial | Im looking for an addon that shows em a run down of all stat changes of the item i am hovering over compared to what I'm wearing in that slot. "+3 strenght -25 spirit +25 mp5" etc. and jsut that. no difficult stat weight crap, just pure stats. |
| 13:06.44 | Industrial | Does anything like that exist? |
| 13:06.48 | Wobin | um |
| 13:06.51 | Wobin | ratingsbuster? |
| 13:06.55 | mikma | RatingBuster |
| 13:07.13 | mikma | it does alot more than that tho |
| 13:07.35 | mikma | i should install it for my dk so i know what items are an upgrade :P |
| 13:07.40 | Wobin | I <3 it |
| 13:07.48 | Wobin | I also <3 the new gems |
| 13:07.54 | Wobin | which are better than the epic old ones |
| 13:07.56 | Wobin | and cheaper =P |
| 13:08.19 | Wobin | why pay 60g for +8str, when you can pay 9g for +10! |
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| 13:09.24 | Maldivia | Wobin: unless you have the old gems in the bank, and are too cheap to gear up intermediate gear with the best gems? |
| 13:09.50 | Wobin | Maldivia: If I were to gear with the best gems, I'd pay the 60g on the epic -new- gems =P |
| 13:10.21 | Wobin | but I never hoarded cut gems |
| 13:10.39 | Wobin | uncut, sure, in the event I might find a guildie JC |
| 13:11.29 | Wobin | lol: http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/81620253/1201676 |
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| 13:11.37 | Maldivia | well, I had a bunch of old epic gems in my bank, so I used those in the blue heroic gear I got, since I know I'll be changing it shortly with 10/25 man gear |
| 13:13.33 | mikma | oh right, RatingBuster was Ace* addon, that's why i didn't use it |
| 13:13.54 | Mikk | then you deserve pain |
| 13:13.57 | Wobin | silly |
| 13:13.58 | Mikk | ratingbuster is win |
| 13:14.03 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 13:14.08 | mikma | it is win, i just don't like the stuff that comes with it |
| 13:14.25 | Wobin | meh |
| 13:16.03 | mikma | i'll just wait idCompare ;) |
| 13:17.05 | Mikk | doubt that's gonna happen any time soon |
| 13:17.17 | Mikk | there's a looooooooooooooot of work going into the scanning libs |
| 13:18.06 | mikma | weren't you looking for something to do? ;) |
| 13:18.22 | mikma | (please don't surprise buttsecks me!) |
| 13:18.51 | Mikk | i've got plenty of doage |
| 13:18.52 | Wobin | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SSzjfu7UBcI/AAAAAAAADFs/tOzLHSFY4pg/s400/fish+teeth.jpg |
| 13:18.55 | Wobin | zomg teeth |
| 13:19.13 | Mikk | doesnt wanna display for me |
| 13:19.25 | Wobin | http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2008/11/african-tigerfish.html ? |
| 13:19.31 | mikma | had to save and open it in viewer |
| 13:19.53 | Mikk | jesus fucking christ |
| 13:20.22 | Mikk | talk about freak of nature |
| 13:24.05 | Maldivia | mikma: do you know what fisker means? |
| 13:24.20 | Kalroth | :D |
| 13:25.15 | mikma | maldivia: hmm. wait |
| 13:26.17 | mikma | maldivia: http://www.fiskars.fi/annualreport2007/page_4_13.html <- that's the first thing that comes into my mind |
| 13:26.27 | Wobin | That kelvin electrostatic generator is kinda cool |
| 13:26.46 | Maldivia | mikma: fisker is Danish for fisherman :) |
| 13:27.15 | mikma | maldivia: that's why i call him Fister- instead :D |
| 13:27.52 | Maldivia | hmm... considering you just wrote: < mikma> (please don't surprise buttsecks me!) |
| 13:28.44 | mikma | that's right, because mikk is swedish |
| 13:28.46 | Wobin | http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=6491441475172785592&hl=en&fs=true |
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| 13:35.51 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 13:36.15 | Wobin | http://www.wegame.com/watch/TF2_Mass_A_I/ |
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| 13:41.54 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:42.04 | Lothaer | hey not into tf2 |
| 13:42.22 | Wobin | ... |
| 13:42.26 | Wobin | Don't worry |
| 13:42.30 | Wobin | that link wasn't for you. |
| 13:42.33 | Lothaer | woops meh* |
| 13:42.56 | Lothaer | anyway wats up guys? |
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| 13:55.54 | mikma | wobin: the dudes dancing on the roof is rather cool |
| 13:58.08 | mikma | "am i going to die?" rofl, no |
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| 14:02.00 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last until Tuesday, December 2nd. . |
| 14:02.00 | Shiibot | To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: Aerie Peak, Alonsus, Arathor, Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Draenor, Dragonblight, Emerald Dream, Eonar, Lightbringer, Shadowsong, Stormrage, Thunderhorn, Turalyon, Quel'thalas. |
| 14:02.00 | Shiibot | Al'Akir --> Dentarg, Xavius. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle Cartel, The Sha'tar. Burning Legion --> Ahn'Qiraj, Daggerspine. Crushridge --> Bladefist, Karazhan. Drak'thul --> Burning Blade, Deathwing |
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| 14:19.09 | Wobin | hm Argent Dawn is a EU server too? |
| 14:19.42 | Lothaer | woot Eric Bana to play the Evil Romulian Nero in the new Star Trek movie |
| 14:19.52 | Wobin | he'll do well |
| 14:20.06 | Wobin | It's kinda weird seeing Karl Urban as Bones =P |
| 14:22.07 | zenzio | Wobin, most of the realm names are the same for EU and US |
| 14:22.14 | Wobin | crazy =P |
| 14:22.23 | Wobin | It's like an evil mirror dimension |
| 14:22.38 | zenzio | hard to dig up enough lore names to fill two regions with different names |
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| 14:22.52 | zenzio | although the French and German realms have translated names |
| 14:23.07 | zenzio | (those that can at least, I think) |
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| 14:36.50 | mikma | Toy Train Set - best purchase so far.. well, after the armored brown bear :D |
| 14:43.06 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=61700 |
| 14:43.07 | Adys | Math Fail |
| 14:47.40 | mikma | some dude was so proud of his chopper... |
| 14:47.51 | mikma | so i popped a traun set next to him |
| 14:48.33 | mikma | he was afk and was doing /train all the time while people were checking his chopper out... priceless |
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| 14:53.38 | Fisker- | toy train set = WIN |
| 14:53.42 | Fisker- | especially on the AH |
| 14:53.44 | Fisker- | people go nuts |
| 14:54.01 | Fisker- | Kinda like when the bonfires in orgrimmar still made noises and hit people |
| 14:54.01 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:54.07 | Fisker- | orgrimmar ah of course |
| 14:54.35 | mikma | same goes for IF bank/mailbox brazier |
| 14:54.53 | mikma | not sure are there some in ah too |
| 14:56.19 | Wobin | oh man |
| 14:56.27 | Wobin | StackOverflow is addictive =P |
| 14:56.44 | mikma | whats that |
| 14:57.57 | Wobin | http://www.stackoverflow.com |
| 15:00.16 | mikma | looks poop |
| 15:05.40 | Wobin | That's cause you can't code |
| 15:06.12 | mikma | true |
| 15:06.17 | mikma | ~poop |
| 15:06.18 | purl | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 15:13.56 | Industrial | can i do something in a macro only if im in meelee range? |
| 15:14.54 | mikma | afaik you cant use spells |
| 15:14.55 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: November 26th, 2008 2:30pm PST. |
| 15:14.55 | Shiibot | We will be performing restarts on all US realms on Thursday, November 27, beginning at 5:00am PST and all Oceanic realms at 12:00pm PST (7:00am AEST, November 28). Each realm will be down for approximately 15 minutes and the overall process last about 1 hour. |
| 15:14.55 | Shiibot | Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment |
| 15:16.00 | mikma | or, you can but not in combat? |
| 15:19.32 | mikma | ./scrip IsActionInRange(id) then CastSpellByName("Poke of the Penis") end |
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| 15:20.23 | mikma | except that function is protected |
| 15:22.05 | Fisker- | ~wowalert |
| 15:22.06 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 15:23.35 | Wobin | mikma: well I hope the poke of the penis is protected |
| 15:23.41 | Wobin | It's unsafe otherwise |
| 15:24.23 | mikma | the poke itself is not unsafe |
| 15:24.42 | mikma | its just you need to check twice where you poke |
| 15:28.55 | mikma | i wonder... http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/RunBinding |
| 15:30.06 | mikma | doesnt say its protected =D |
| 15:34.23 | Nom- | hmm what weapons to DW DK's want? |
| 15:34.32 | Nom- | slow main, fast off like rogues ? |
| 15:34.59 | mikma | question is, why would they want to dw? |
| 15:35.13 | mikma | almost all spells are based on weapon damage |
| 15:35.47 | Nom- | with the right spec dps is actually higher with DW |
| 15:35.57 | Wobin | fast |
| 15:36.13 | mikma | that you need to prove with heavy data |
| 15:36.18 | Wobin | means you actually do more damage despite all the misses =) |
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| 15:39.32 | Nom- | must be slow weapon surely... it's imp icy talons ftw with slow weapons |
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| 15:41.04 | Wobin | what does EJ say? =) |
| 15:42.07 | p3lim | Easy Johnny! |
| 15:43.51 | mikma | bah, i need to figure out a good rotation for unholy |
| 15:44.21 | Wobin | PS -> IT -> BS -> BS -> SS -> SS -> DC DC |
| 15:44.33 | Wobin | roughly |
| 15:44.46 | mikma | theres the problem |
| 15:45.07 | mikma | oh wait, bs bs ss ss |
| 15:45.12 | mikma | nvm then |
| 15:45.25 | Wobin | You want to use up your blood runes |
| 15:45.35 | Wobin | so they have the chance to turn into death runes =) |
| 15:45.46 | mikma | ye |
| 15:45.47 | Wobin | also, I do it so that my parry goes up |
| 15:45.55 | Wobin | cause I have 5/5 in the blood parry talent |
| 15:46.03 | Wobin | but that's for tanking |
| 15:46.11 | mikma | wicked |
| 15:52.29 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:52.47 | Wobin | I should macro a squishy saver to clique with my ghoul |
| 15:52.56 | mikma | wobin: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jf0MZZfgMhxfkgcqMcsut |
| 15:52.57 | krka | I think so, Wobin, but if we had a snowmobile, wouldn't it melt before summer? |
| 15:52.57 | Wobin | have it cast leap on targettarget |
| 15:53.14 | mikma | wobin: i have ctrl+leftbutton binded as DC |
| 15:53.29 | Wobin | deathcoil? |
| 15:53.35 | Wobin | for squishy saving? |
| 15:54.08 | mikma | whats a squishy saving?¤ |
| 15:54.23 | Wobin | if the clothie grabs aggro |
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| 16:00.30 | Mikk | DorfCoil? |
| 16:01.04 | Mikk | (hrm, did we even get to keep that? ...) |
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| 16:01.37 | Pharax | hello guys |
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| 16:02.50 | Pharax | i'm sure you're getting this question asked all the time but..I simply can't find the place to download blizzard UI art |
| 16:03.02 | mikma | wobin: squishy saving = death grip |
| 16:03.09 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 16:03.10 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 16:03.11 | Slakah | ~addonkit |
| 16:03.12 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 16:03.39 | Pharax | ok, I though these were only to tweak the settings |
| 16:03.39 | Wobin | mikma: not always up |
| 16:03.40 | Shirik | why are there two of those |
| 16:03.46 | Pharax | and didnt contain the actual art files |
| 16:03.50 | Wobin | also, may be out of range |
| 16:03.52 | Shirik | ~factinfo addonkit |
| 16:03.52 | purl | addonkit -- last modified at Fri Oct 19 19:02:50 2007 by cog|work!n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com; it has been requested 3 times, last by Slakah, 40s ago. |
| 16:03.56 | Wobin | Ghoul leap has some tremendous range |
| 16:04.01 | mikma | wobin: what about the real taunt? |
| 16:04.07 | Wobin | and if you have him gnaw a limb off, then it stuns them |
| 16:04.16 | Wobin | Real taunt has even less range than DeathGrief |
| 16:04.21 | mikma | if he has enough focus |
| 16:04.26 | mikma | usually he doesnt |
| 16:04.28 | Wobin | true |
| 16:04.42 | mikma | i disabled the leap from my minion |
| 16:04.45 | Wobin | I think ghouls -only- have focus dumps |
| 16:04.51 | Wobin | which is terrible |
| 16:04.58 | mikma | ya |
| 16:05.02 | Wobin | same |
| 16:05.12 | Wobin | I got sick of him bouncing off each time I pulled with DG =P |
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| 16:05.31 | Wobin | but as an intervene, it'd be useful as a third option |
| 16:05.31 | Pharax | ok. now i've got addonkit |
| 16:05.36 | Pharax | waht if I want only the image files |
| 16:05.42 | Wobin | if DG and taunt are on cooldown |
| 16:05.50 | mikma | sounds familiar? Death Gripped a mob to you, ghoul leaps far away, runs back, and pulls the mob where he leaped |
| 16:05.50 | Slakah | Theres an extract art button |
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| 16:05.58 | Pharax | ok |
| 16:06.16 | Pharax | *noob mode off* |
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| 16:06.39 | Wobin | mikma: I've pulled so many other groups unintentionally because of that damn ghoul extending my aggro range =) |
| 16:07.13 | Pharax | noob mode on* now I jsut cant find the extracted files ....yeah I swear, after this question I stop :D |
| 16:07.30 | Slakah | if your wow folder |
| 16:07.43 | Slakah | *in |
| 16:07.47 | Pharax | ¬_¬ I guess i'm just dumb |
| 16:07.56 | mikma | wobin: that also =/ my minion still pulls the mobs far away from me every now and then |
| 16:08.28 | mikma | i dont get the cargoyle-talent |
| 16:08.38 | mikma | have never used it =/ |
| 16:09.11 | Slakah | Is there any reason why libraries such as periodic table store it's tables in strings, and then creates the table on load? |
| 16:09.27 | Pharax | mhhh seems to be impossible to use a wow image to create something else in photoshop :/ |
| 16:09.44 | cbreak | everything is stored as string. lua saved variables are just text files |
| 16:09.53 | Pharax | bwah, ok |
| 16:09.58 | Pharax | I see I won't be able to have it easy |
| 16:09.58 | mikma | pharax: try extracting it wih proper tool first |
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| 16:10.15 | Pharax | wouldnt wow tool be the proper one |
| 16:10.30 | mikma | no |
| 16:10.46 | mikma | get the blp2tga or something |
| 16:10.53 | Pharax | ok |
| 16:10.57 | mikma | last saw it in curse |
| 16:11.05 | cbreak | the wow tool extracts the files |
| 16:11.11 | cbreak | that doesn't mean that you can read them :) |
| 16:11.21 | mikma | well put cbreak |
| 16:11.22 | Pharax | true |
| 16:11.55 | Pharax | got the soft for mac |
| 16:12.04 | Pharax | lets try it now |
| 16:12.21 | mikma | that aoft failed in me more than 4 out of 5 |
| 16:12.29 | mikma | soft* |
| 16:12.38 | mikma | and on* =/ |
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| 16:15.44 | Wobin | nn |
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| 16:19.01 | Shirik | anyone here use thunderbird? |
| 16:20.45 | Nom- | Yes, I do |
| 16:21.10 | Shirik | can you set up filters so that if you detect mail sent to a specific address (which is not your email address, it's a mailing list) it can be sent to a specific folder? |
| 16:22.04 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 16:24.06 | Nom- | Yes :) |
| 16:24.37 | Shirik | good |
| 16:24.43 | Shirik | maybe I'll start using it then |
| 16:24.47 | Nom- | Tools => Message Filters... |
| 16:24.51 | Nom- | I'm sure you can work it out from there |
| 16:24.54 | Shirik | the school is getting pissed that I have mails from 2005 on there |
| 16:25.01 | Shirik | Yeah I don't have it yet so |
| 16:28.31 | Nom- | Man, DK is just as fun as ret pally |
| 16:28.37 | Nom- | And you can't be asked to go get your heal gear |
| 16:28.43 | Nom- | *evilgrin* |
| 16:28.47 | mikma | =D |
| 16:29.01 | mikma | so i was doing quests in borean with my dk |
| 16:29.14 | Nom- | I just got mine to 60 |
| 16:29.16 | mikma | theres the scourgeplace in bottomright |
| 16:29.22 | Nom- | I haven't been playing much |
| 16:29.30 | mikma | some lvl74 paladin was there killing mobs |
| 16:29.34 | Nom- | (My DK that is... my pally is 80 and just about ready for Naxx) |
| 16:29.50 | mikma | it took me less time to kill a mob like had had, and i was 71 |
| 16:30.24 | Lyn | p3lim, ! |
| 16:30.27 | Lyn | mikma, ! |
| 16:30.55 | mikma | lynwurst! |
| 16:31.28 | Nom- | ok zzzzz time i think |
| 16:31.32 | Nom- | 1:30am :/ |
| 16:31.37 | Nom- | But |
| 16:31.38 | Lyn | mikmanski |
| 16:31.40 | Nom- | IT'S FRIDAY! |
| 16:31.51 | mikma | uuh, good one |
| 16:32.16 | Nom- | Friday: The one day of the week when everyone is religious. |
| 16:32.57 | Lyn | where is friday? |
| 16:33.19 | Nom- | Fri Nov 28 01:27:31 WST 2008 |
| 16:34.03 | Lyn | oO |
| 16:34.05 | Lyn | :O |
| 16:34.08 | Lyn | FUTURE IS NOW! |
| 16:35.04 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 16:35.12 | Shirik | Thunderbird Downloading message 6 of 12121 |
| 16:35.27 | Shirik | I'll go take a shower now |
| 16:35.45 | Lyn | lol |
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| 16:36.25 | mikma | shirik: you should delete your spam |
| 16:37.49 | mikma | lyn: lol, mikmanski... still cracks me up |
| 16:37.52 | Nom- | That all, Shirik ? |
| 16:38.00 | Nom- | I have that many in my inbox, let alone categorized folders |
| 16:38.25 | Nom- | ok i lie... only 8100 in inbox |
| 16:39.17 | Nom- | one of my categorized folders which is only archived back to July has 12603 :) |
| 16:39.41 | mikma | i have 10 mail in my inbox |
| 16:39.55 | mikma | i delete all i read |
| 16:40.08 | Lyn | mikma, haha |
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| 16:45.14 | Nom- | problem is i never know when i'm going to need an old email |
| 16:45.15 | Nom- | like today |
| 16:45.19 | Nom- | anyway, sleep time now |
| 16:48.05 | Lothaer | hey anyone know how BigZero got the EnchantIDs for Glowfosho? |
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| 16:48.47 | Shirik | mikma: None of that's spam |
| 16:48.57 | Shirik | That's all valid email since 2005 |
| 16:49.15 | Shirik | and wtf |
| 16:49.19 | Shirik | I went to take a shower and it's only on message 300 |
| 16:49.59 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 16:50.00 | purl | ~pong |
| 16:50.11 | Shirik | ~fail school email server |
| 16:50.12 | purl | You suck at everything in life, school email server. I hate you because you fail. |
| 16:50.49 | Shirik | I think it got disconnected. Is there a way to stop it? |
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| 16:52.48 | Shirik | Have I mentioned that I NEED to get this card replaced badly |
| 16:56.43 | Lyn | ~fart mikma |
| 16:56.44 | purl | ACTION farts in mikma's general direction |
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| 17:02.29 | Anaral | Is there a way to write a macro to use a random item, without listing every item. In this case I want to make a gold coin macro for fishing. |
| 17:03.09 | Shirik | how would it know what to use if you don't list every item? |
| 17:05.12 | Anaral | Well I know there's a macro for random critters, so wasn't sure if it could apply to a certain type of item. |
| 17:06.30 | Shirik | there is? |
| 17:07.03 | Anaral | Aye |
| 17:08.33 | Anaral | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.57 | Shirik | oh sweet, I'm sorry mikma, this isn't since 2005 |
| 17:09.07 | Shirik | I have an email in here from 4/10/1970 apparently |
| 17:09.21 | cbreak | that's done in Lua, item use is not allowed from lua unless you're blizzard |
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| 17:11.39 | Anaral | Thanks cbreak. Didn't think so, but thought it doesn't hurt to ask. |
| 17:12.18 | Shirik | ooh |
| 17:12.25 | Shirik | I think I have successfully broken my school mail server |
| 17:12.43 | Shirik | "Sending of password did not succeed: Unable to lock maildrop" Now we get to see if it cleans up properly |
| 17:14.03 | bcsbcs | Would anyone be kind enough to link me to somewhere or provide just a very basic example of a frame with a texture that can be manupulated with the settexcooord property that would allow me to choose which part of the tga file is used... Ive been looking all over and keep finding just frame with bgfile entries and I cant work out how to manipulate which part of the file is used. |
| 17:14.16 | cbreak | does your password contain "DROP tables"? :D |
| 17:15.09 | Shirik | lol no cbreak |
| 17:16.40 | Shirik | still unable to log in :( |
| 17:16.48 | Shirik | this is actually kinda bad |
| 17:22.35 | cbreak | bcsbcs: I do it sort of in my addon ArtPad |
| 17:22.47 | cbreak | but I use it for texture rotation and not cropping/clipping |
| 17:23.58 | bcsbcs | its mostly understanding how to assign a texture to a frame, if thats what i should be using and not a button or some other widget |
| 17:24.30 | cbreak | you usually don't assign a texture to a frame, you crate one inside a frame |
| 17:24.47 | bcsbcs | perhaps when xmas arrives and I get the book ill quit asking silly basic questions.... i hope |
| 17:25.14 | bcsbcs | ah the texture itself is a widget with its own locatiion? |
| 17:25.22 | cbreak | no |
| 17:25.45 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 17:26.15 | cbreak | textures are not frames |
| 17:26.40 | cbreak | they are a subclass of a sibling of frames :) |
| 17:28.33 | cbreak | in lua you would use someFrame:CreateTexture(...) |
| 17:29.25 | cbreak | in XML you would use <Texture name="..." file="...">...</Texture> inside a Layer |
| 17:30.17 | bcsbcs | so by using the frame:createtexture would that actually apply it to be shown or do i need so somehow assign it seperately? |
| 17:30.35 | cbreak | it's CreateTexture |
| 17:30.44 | cbreak | and it would show up |
| 17:31.43 | bcsbcs | ok great... thought I had tried that already... guess im more in a tangled mess than realised lol |
| 17:32.32 | cbreak | of course, you have to set the texture to something, set it's points and so on |
| 17:32.34 | bcsbcs | thanks cbreak, ill give it another go. embarasing really when I think I used to do programming as part of my work... 6 odd years ago... seems ive lost the mindset... :( |
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| 17:37.45 | bnovc | do you have to use substr in lua to get an index of a string? var="abc"; var[2] for example |
| 17:39.30 | cbreak | strings are not arrays in lua, so yes |
| 17:39.40 | cbreak | if you want a substring, you have to use string.sub |
| 17:39.59 | Cralor` | is there a way to stop the vehicle ui from moving a specific frame when it hides? |
| 17:40.21 | Cralor` | well i know there is a solution / work-around. but i need help finding it =) |
| 17:40.45 | bnovc | that is pretty disappointing, since they could just take *(string + x) for it :( |
| 17:41.04 | cbreak | why? |
| 17:41.18 | cbreak | strings in lua are not pointers like in c |
| 17:41.49 | cbreak | they are simple values |
| 17:42.07 | cbreak | (internally they are pointers to the string pool. Hmm... don't know) |
| 17:42.21 | bnovc | i was referring to the implementation not the user level |
| 17:42.31 | bnovc | otherwise i'd just write that :D |
| 17:42.46 | cbreak | you should look at patterns if you want to parse a string |
| 17:43.43 | bnovc | what? |
| 17:43.48 | bnovc | oh |
| 17:43.54 | bnovc | i'm parsing it character by character on purpose to translate it |
| 17:44.11 | bnovc | i'm decoding binary |
| 17:44.22 | bnovc | speaking of which though, whats the opposite of string.byte |
| 17:45.38 | Engale|WoW | -string.byte? |
| 17:46.35 | cbreak | ouch! |
| 17:46.50 | cbreak | parsing binary in lua? |
| 17:47.00 | Engale|WoW | yeah that's what i'm thinkin' |
| 17:47.05 | Engale|WoW | why would you want to? |
| 17:47.08 | cbreak | look at string.char |
| 17:48.07 | bnovc | well i already wrote it to go the other way, going back should be easier |
| 17:48.21 | bnovc | thanks cbreak |
| 17:48.48 | cbreak | what you want to do is likely very inefficient |
| 17:50.03 | bnovc | why? |
| 17:50.20 | bnovc | i don't see why it take more than a few milliseconds |
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| 17:53.42 | Shirik | Topic: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Thanksgiving! |
| 17:53.44 | Shirik | er |
| 17:53.52 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Thanksgiving! |
| 17:54.31 | Shirik | I copy-pasted it before changing |
| 17:54.34 | Shirik | forgot to put /topic in front :( |
| 17:55.00 | bnovc | woops |
| 17:55.02 | bnovc | wrong window to hit up in |
| 17:55.07 | bnovc | guess i fail now too |
| 17:55.13 | Shirik | yes you do! |
| 17:55.24 | bnovc | :( ! |
| 17:56.45 | bcsbcs | thanks for that infor cbreak, finally got the texture thing working with the SetTexCoord :) |
| 17:56.50 | bnovc | ARG |
| 17:56.57 | bnovc | i reordered my windows and can't stop doing that now |
| 17:57.17 | bnovc | i'm too programmed to hitting alt+tab, up, enter for 8 hours a day |
| 17:57.35 | cbreak | you need virtual screens. |
| 17:57.41 | cbreak | one for chat, one for work :) |
| 17:57.52 | bnovc | multiple monitors for that |
| 17:59.48 | cbreak | virtual screens have the advantage that they set context. So if you switch to screen 5, you know there are only terminal windows. and so on :) |
| 18:00.02 | cbreak | I like that extra layering on top of the distinction between applications and their windows |
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| 18:02.55 | bnovc | i've never been a fan of them for some reason |
| 18:03.01 | bnovc | i do like having a lot of monitors though |
| 18:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way to read individual pixels in the game world? |
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| 18:05.07 | cbreak | on the fly? |
| 18:05.28 | cbreak | I think there are ways, but they are limited |
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| 18:05.34 | cbreak | and are not completely in-game |
| 18:05.41 | Shirik | definitely possible out-of-game |
| 18:05.59 | Shirik | what can you do in Lua? I dunno |
| 18:06.12 | cbreak | I think in pure lua you can do nothing |
| 18:06.17 | cbreak | (besides guessing) |
| 18:06.46 | Shirik | if you do WorldFrame:Hide() I can guarantee you what each pixel will be |
| 18:06.50 | cbreak | for example, if you are in SSC, the pixel is likely blue. If you're in Black Temple it's likely black |
| 18:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Not quite good enough |
| 18:07.01 | cbreak | and if you're in Dalaran it's ugly pastel redish yellow |
| 18:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Looking for the world color to adjust font text dynamically to make it readable always |
| 18:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | white (text) on white (snow) sucks to read |
| 18:07.28 | cbreak | you could make a solid backdrop |
| 18:07.47 | Shirik | I see what you're trying to do |
| 18:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 18:08.05 | Shirik | I think you could probably guess the world's darkness |
| 18:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't read the timer on my cooldowns at all |
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| 18:08.29 | cbreak | aren't the timers on the symbols of the spells? |
| 18:08.34 | bnovc | mine are! |
| 18:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Not on this addon of mine |
| 18:08.37 | cbreak | so you can know quite reliably |
| 18:08.44 | cbreak | hmm... too bad :) |
| 18:09.19 | cbreak | tried to use outlines? :) |
| 18:09.40 | bnovc | cbreak: takes 0.015s to decode "test" |
| 18:09.52 | bnovc | (and initialize lua.exe) |
| 18:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd just as soon write something that I can feed FontStrings to and have it adjust them no matter their frame/source/addon/etc |
| 18:10.01 | bnovc | i just did "time lua.exe file.lua" |
| 18:10.05 | cbreak | I doubt that test is meaningful |
| 18:10.40 | bnovc | well it shows an upper bound |
| 18:10.59 | bnovc | takes <1s to do it 1k times |
| 18:11.03 | bnovc | time to go eat turkey |
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| 18:11.27 | cbreak | ScytheBlade1: I wonder if it's an attribute of the font |
| 18:11.39 | cbreak | but in the hud I use, TextHud, the text has an outline |
| 18:12.42 | cbreak | I use NumberFontNormal |
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| 18:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda doubt it'd be an attribute like that |
| 18:13.39 | cbreak | It should be possible to run an irc client in a screen so reconnecting from different locations would be easier. |
| 18:14.14 | cbreak | ah, no |
| 18:14.28 | cbreak | it's part of the http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 18:14.39 | cbreak | shadow color and offset I guess |
| 18:14.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadow color and offset is static |
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| 18:15.18 | cbreak | it's as dynamic as you decide it is. or can't you change it on the fly? |
| 18:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to find out the color of the world under/around it first |
| 18:16.22 | cbreak | if you make a black outline and a white font, it should always be readable |
| 18:16.30 | cbreak | of couse, that's less elegant |
| 18:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But ugly depending :P |
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| 18:21.32 | Kraps | hey, anyone familiar with DMiniCoords? |
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| 18:22.12 | Kraps | i changed the font at element:SetFont, but it didnt change in-game |
| 18:22.47 | Kraps | i want to know if i have to chang anything else |
| 18:28.11 | Kraps | nvm, i forgot to save the file |
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| 18:43.38 | Sixen | I live, =o. |
| 18:43.57 | NightHawkTheSane | lies! |
| 18:44.12 | Sixen | keke |
| 18:45.48 | Kraps | kek |
| 18:46.03 | Sixen | =p |
| 18:46.42 | Kraps | has anyone tried a complete translation? |
| 18:46.53 | Sixen | kek = lol in Korean. |
| 18:46.56 | Sixen | Completely translated. |
| 18:47.06 | Kraps | ... |
| 18:47.09 | Sixen | <3 |
| 18:50.19 | Shirik|Ecole | So my brother comes up to me while I'm writing code |
| 18:50.26 | Shirik|Ecole | "Do you even know what you're doing?" |
| 18:50.59 | |pez| | ... lol? |
| 18:51.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I think he saw my unit tests |
| 18:52.05 | Shirik|Ecole | "Test run failed. Results: 1/10 passed" with a bunch of red X's at the bottom :) |
| 18:52.16 | Shirik|Ecole | but that's only because they're all based on the same base class |
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| 19:01.08 | bleeter | hah, fuck me.. why didn't I think of this before..... |
| 19:01.15 | Thunder_Child | no comment |
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| 19:01.32 | NightHawkTheSane | >< How is it that a mob has -no- loot on it, and still isn't skinnable.. |
| 19:01.56 | Thunder_Child | humanoid? |
| 19:02.09 | NightHawkTheSane | no. :p a bear, i've been skinning his friends without problem |
| 19:02.14 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: you're a pet controlling player (hunter/lock etc.) and you let the pet do all the dmg? |
| 19:02.31 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i'm a shaman, using no totems, no pets, and not in a party |
| 19:02.40 | bleeter | blizz bugs then |
| 19:02.49 | Shirik|Ecole | NightHawkTheSane: Quest item? |
| 19:02.56 | Shirik|Ecole | are you in a party? |
| 19:03.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 19:03.02 | bleeter | try running away from the body until it's 'out of site' (I usually target the mob, when it detargets it's out of site) then come back |
| 19:03.11 | bleeter | *out of sight |
| 19:03.18 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: that actually worked, definitely some kind of odd bug |
| 19:03.23 | Shirik|Ecole | oh sorry, missed that NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:04.30 | NightHawkTheSane | also, you can't hex critters :( |
| 19:05.55 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: you wouldn't beleive what I forgot... |
| 19:05.59 | |pez| | Aww. stupid folks over at Microsoft / Rare |
| 19:06.15 | |pez| | They postponed the release of Banjo Kazooie in the XBLA another week. |
| 19:06.49 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: the guy who got me into internet gaming, last I heard was working for AusCERT |
| 19:07.01 | Shirik|Ecole | ha |
| 19:07.01 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: Ima gunna try and look him up today |
| 19:07.28 | bleeter | we were the guys trying to break into the casinos and stuff, good times :D |
| 19:07.58 | bleeter | though iirc he was a li'l jealous of me 'coz I was the one paid to blow up the sun clusters :) |
| 19:08.41 | bleeter | I was equally jealous of him, though, 'coz he was flying on site to do stuff more than I for a while |
| 19:10.14 | Shirik | I think I found a bug in Visual Studio |
| 19:10.34 | bleeter | yup, would appear he's still there |
| 19:10.35 | NightHawkTheSane | what, just one? ;) |
| 19:10.47 | bleeter | ~failrik |
| 19:10.47 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:10.50 | Shirik | Visual Studio is actually a good program |
| 19:11.05 | zenzelezz | it's a freaking awesome program |
| 19:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 19:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but it has it's share of quirks |
| 19:11.32 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 19:11.34 | Shirik | However its unit test wizard doesn't seem to understand what an abstract class is |
| 19:11.49 | Shirik | Every time I expand my project, I get "Unknown virtual address 0" |
| 19:12.05 | Dolby | Happy Thanksgiving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWw46X-83xs |
| 19:12.29 | Shirik | However, its unit testing capabilities are still pretty awesome. First time I've used them |
| 19:13.49 | Kraps | i love the tuskarr |
| 19:14.03 | Shirik | I hate them |
| 19:14.08 | Shirik | they're all ugly |
| 19:14.53 | Kraps | why you racist basterd! |
| 19:14.58 | Kraps | :p |
| 19:15.40 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Dolby |
| 19:15.41 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Dolby!" |
| 19:18.21 | Thunder_Child | "If the creativity used in naming pornos was applied correctly, it could problaby cure cancer" |
| 19:18.26 | Kraps | at least getting rep in Northrend is a cakewalk |
| 19:18.46 | cbreak | ~sigh Alpha". Following up by "I wish I were a flower pot |
| 19:18.47 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Alpha". Following up by "I wish I were a flower pot!" |
| 19:19.22 | |Jelly| | MORNING SHIRIK! |
| 19:19.46 | Shirik | MORNING |JELLY| |
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| 19:21.26 | |Jelly| | Anyone have any idea how in the hell to get out of this suit? I'm so tired of being stuck in shit that I'm forced to mount for a quest. http://i34.tinypic.com/28c1vkm.jpg |
| 19:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: if it's a vehicle, there should be a vehicle exit button, depending on what action bars your using. failing that "/script VehicleExit()", you can also bind many vehicle functions to keys |
| 19:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | you're* |
| 19:24.03 | bleeter | I'VE GOT MY HEAD STUCK IN A CUPBOARD.. HALLO MR GUMBY!! HALLO! MY BRAIN HURTS!!! |
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| 19:25.39 | lolaulz | HI!! |
| 19:25.47 | lolaulz | omG GNOMES R SO CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE |
| 19:26.33 | lolaulz | ^____^;; |
| 19:27.35 | Shirik | Do you have a purpose for being here or should I just ban you now? |
| 19:27.41 | lolaulz | :( |
| 19:27.41 | lolaulz | mean |
| 19:27.56 | lolaulz | Okay |
| 19:27.57 | Shirik | You deserve it when you log in with an ident like that |
| 19:28.03 | lolaulz | :( |
| 19:28.10 | f4Gg0t | So the other day |
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| 19:28.31 | Torhal | I love what people do when they have no lives. |
| 19:28.32 | Thunder_Child | bloody canucks |
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| 19:29.54 | Kraps | should i buy Ivory-Reinforced Chestguard even though i need 1 more level to wear it? |
| 19:30.02 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44057 |
| 19:30.36 | bleeter | Shirik: admitit, you like a good kicking |
| 19:30.48 | Shirik | It is a good stress relief |
| 19:30.48 | Kraps | i'm 3 bars into 75 |
| 19:30.51 | bleeter | (nno, that wasn't me doing stuff to keep you entertained) |
| 19:31.41 | bleeter | Shirik: yar, as a # op elsewhere you kinda have this secret desire that they come back and stuff |
| 19:31.41 | Shirik | haha |
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| 19:33.06 | Shirik | this is interesting |
| 19:33.13 | Shirik | FailedtestCSubInstructiontestFailed during math operation class CSubInstruction * with parameters 0x0000, 0xFFFF. Expected 0x0001, got 0xFF01 |
| 19:33.19 | Shirik | Of all the possible combinations |
| 19:33.26 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure how I can do 0x0000 - 0xFFFF to get 0xFF01 |
| 19:34.03 | Kraps | is the gcd 1 second? |
| 19:34.31 | Shirik | I think 1.5 except for rogues |
| 19:34.37 | Shirik | something like that |
| 19:34.47 | bleeter | +blizz bug and ISP induced latency crap |
| 19:35.17 | Industrial | ding80etc |
| 19:35.22 | Shirik | bug? |
| 19:35.24 | Shirik | grats Industrial |
| 19:35.25 | cbreak | gcd is dependent on spell haste |
| 19:35.38 | cbreak | well... haste. |
| 19:35.39 | bleeter | s |
| 19:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | the gcd is 1.5s base for everyone except rogues and cat druids, where it's 1s. haste can reduce the gcd to a minimum of 1s |
| 19:36.04 | Kraps | ah |
| 19:36.06 | Shirik | so haste doesn't help rogues/druids? |
| 19:36.12 | NightHawkTheSane | not in terms of gcd |
| 19:36.15 | Shirik | (cat druids) |
| 19:37.21 | Kraps | how much haste do you need? |
| 19:37.21 | cbreak | it reduces not only the gcd but also cast time |
| 19:37.21 | NightHawkTheSane | although rogues benefit greatly from haste already, as like 60%+ of their damage is white |
| 19:37.21 | Shirik | gotta go eat |
| 19:37.21 | cbreak | as much as you want |
| 19:37.21 | bleeter | mmm food |
| 19:37.21 | bleeter | Shirik|AFK: GIEF |
| 19:37.21 | cbreak | there's no general haste cap I know of |
| 19:37.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: it is probably impossible to reduce your gcd to 1s using ONLY passive haste gear |
| 19:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | the conversion rate there is very poor. |
| 19:38.15 | NightHawkTheSane | there's formulas on wowwiki, though |
| 19:39.06 | Kraps | in other news, 2000+ shield slam crits are nice |
| 19:39.38 | Kraps | even though my crit is 9.44 |
| 19:40.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll stick with 6k lava burst crits, and 35% crit chance on lb/cl |
| 19:40.20 | nevcairiel | dont you get like alot bonus crit on shield slam etc? |
| 19:40.27 | nevcairiel | (if specced) |
| 19:42.11 | NightHawkTheSane | quick macro question: does nostance:1/3 work like i think it should? |
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| 19:44.06 | Kraps | nevcairiel: it Critical Block tooltip isn't too clear, but i think it does |
| 19:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | what's not clear about it? |
| 19:45.14 | Kraps | i dont know when i get a clitical block |
| 19:45.23 | Kraps | shit |
| 19:45.25 | NightHawkTheSane | 15% extra crit on shield slam, and 30% chance to block 2x |
| 19:45.27 | Torhal | ... |
| 19:46.02 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.49 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: i thought they were dependent on each other |
| 19:47.08 | bleeter | Shirik|AFK: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129064323&sid=1 |
| 19:47.29 | Kraps | i also have 2/2 Impale |
| 19:47.58 | Kraps | wish i know what the end result was |
| 19:50.19 | Esamynn | oh noes, netsplit |
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| 20:06.58 | Ose | feuerwehmaster: unfortunately this isn't the right place to ask |
| 20:07.10 | bleeter | yay for 7AM restarts! |
| 20:07.12 | Ose | *sigh* |
| 20:07.40 | Ose | why do I always switch channel (without notcing) while writing something... |
| 20:07.53 | Thunder_Child | how do you do it w/o noticing? |
| 20:08.06 | bleeter | fat fingers |
| 20:23.41 | bnovc | bleeter: daylight savings where you're at makes it relatively different? |
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| 20:26.04 | bleeter | bnovc: yes, but it should only make it a 1 hour difference. not 2. 2 smells of 'hey you guys are in summertime, we're not.. so we'll just stick to our schedule and demonstrate we don't actually pay attention to the load times as we've alleged in the past' ;) |
| 20:26.56 | bleeter | bnovc: it took blizz over 12 months to fix the TZ bug from last year, it'd appear the US ain't that bright when thinking about the other side of the planet ;) |
| 20:29.19 | Shirik|AFK | Wait, there's a whole nother side? |
| 20:29.26 | Shirik|AFK | I thought it ended at hawaii |
| 20:31.10 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, hawaii's real? |
| 20:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought that was just a myth propogated by furriners! |
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| 20:34.15 | Cidan | fuck you Thanksgiving |
| 20:34.16 | Cidan | fuck |
| 20:34.16 | Cidan | you. |
| 20:35.25 | Shirik|AFK | :( |
| 20:36.52 | Cairenn | what's wrong luv? |
| 20:37.09 | Cidan | Go out to get coffee this morning, 7 AM or so, went into Dunkin' and got me some, came to my car, LOL BATTERY DIED (hasn't been replaced in a while, meh) so I walked my ass to the only open store I could find (Thank you G1 Android Phone) |
| 20:37.28 | Cairenn | :( |
| 20:37.29 | Cidan | lugged a car battery 1 mile back to my car, replaced it, drove my ass to DC, and just walked around all day. |
| 20:37.42 | Cidan | Fuck I hate the holidays, shit like this always happens. |
| 20:38.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i agree. fuck holidays. |
| 20:38.34 | Shirik | bleeter: Unfortunately on vacation I don't have my tools with me |
| 20:39.07 | Shirik | When I can get back home I can start snooping around |
| 20:39.41 | Cidan | Shirik: Where are you now? |
| 20:39.45 | Shirik | PA |
| 20:39.49 | Cidan | wtf |
| 20:39.53 | Cidan | VA > PA |
| 20:40.02 | Shirik | I know |
| 20:40.12 | Shirik | But unfortunately my parents did a sneak attack and decided to go up to PA |
| 20:40.16 | Shirik | and it's freezing |
| 20:40.21 | Cidan | hah |
| 20:40.24 | Shirik | ~weather KALE |
| 20:40.29 | Shirik | eh |
| 20:40.31 | Cidan | It's okay here, it wasn't so bad. |
| 20:40.35 | Cidan | ~weather 22003 |
| 20:40.39 | Cidan | wtf |
| 20:40.40 | Cidan | D= |
| 20:40.47 | Shirik | ~weather KABE |
| 20:40.47 | Cidan | how is it not setup to do zips? |
| 20:40.55 | Shirik | because it uses airport codes |
| 20:40.57 | Cidan | oh |
| 20:41.00 | Shirik | use KDCA :) |
| 20:41.06 | Cidan | ~weather KDCA |
| 20:41.20 | Shirik | Where I want to be: |
| 20:41.22 | Shirik | ~weather KDAB |
| 20:41.56 | Shirik | wait, national's in VA? |
| 20:41.59 | Shirik | I thought it was in DC? |
| 20:43.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ~weather KSEA |
| 20:47.59 | |Jelly| | :( |
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| 20:48.28 | |Jelly| | kinky |
| 20:49.30 | Shirik | It's cold here too Cairenn |
| 20:49.32 | |Jelly| | ~weather kdfw |
| 20:49.32 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 20:49.37 | |Jelly| | *shrug* |
| 20:49.43 | Shirik | cold where |Jelly| is too |
| 20:50.25 | |Jelly| | Wouldn't call 70 cold. lol |
| 20:50.25 | Cairenn | your definitions of cold and mine tend to be rather different :p |
| 20:51.03 | bleeter | ~weather ymhb |
| 20:51.27 | bleeter | a bit chillier than yesterday =)) |
| 20:51.44 | bleeter | completely mad for late november :/ |
| 20:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i <3 seattle weather |
| 20:52.05 | NightHawkTheSane | nice and moderate |
| 20:52.10 | bleeter | Cairenn: s'ok, I hate you too :) |
| 20:52.26 | Cairenn | okay, you guys should have stopped while you were ahead |
| 21:02.28 | Lyn | lol |
| 21:02.31 | Lyn | azjol nerub heroic |
| 21:02.40 | Lyn | second boss committed suicide |
| 21:02.43 | Lyn | before we pulled him :< |
| 21:03.07 | zenzelezz | Lyn: o_O |
| 21:03.11 | Lyn | dunno |
| 21:03.13 | Lyn | seems buggy |
| 21:03.15 | Lyn | i mean |
| 21:03.21 | Lyn | we killed trash.. then he came and died |
| 21:03.22 | Lyn | oO |
| 21:03.40 | zenzelezz | maybe he had a heart attack |
| 21:03.59 | Lyn | yeah |
| 21:04.03 | Lyn | or he was emo |
| 21:05.07 | bcsbcs | can anyone recommend a library (assuming one exists) for calculating angle/direction of a player unit in relation to your own? |
| 21:05.25 | bcsbcs | maths is not one of my strong points lol |
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| 21:05.43 | bleeter | not sure angles can be done, only proximity |
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| 21:05.52 | bleeter | would be glad to be corrected though :) |
| 21:06.15 | bcsbcs | i can get my loc and the loc of party1 so i presume an angle can be calculated from that |
| 21:07.02 | foxlit | bcsbcs: and yet, no. |
| 21:07.24 | foxlit | You could try for 2D north/south+west/east coordinate system |
| 21:07.32 | foxlit | But then you'd need scale ratios for every zone |
| 21:07.45 | foxlit | As far as I know, z coords are never discloed |
| 21:07.55 | foxlit | s/cloed/closed/ |
| 21:08.01 | bleeter | zone boundaries would be a pain, and nfi if it'd work inside instances (don't think it would) |
| 21:08.40 | bcsbcs | 2d would be fine, just want to write silly addon so my wife can find my character using bigish arrow, her eyesight is bad |
| 21:09.07 | foxlit | bcbcs: you really only need to bother with math.atan2(dy, dx) |
| 21:09.16 | foxlit | give the y deltas, it'll give you an angle |
| 21:09.27 | foxlit | (iirc 0 is to the left, pi is to the right, and pi/2 is up) |
| 21:09.32 | foxlit | so east/west/north |
| 21:10.01 | bcsbcs | thanks kindly foxlit, ill take a peak at that |
| 21:12.19 | foxlit | so, both Howling Fjord and Borean Tundra achievements are required for that meta |
| 21:12.20 | bcsbcs | oh and Cairenn if it makes you feel better at least your not in uk atm (assuming you arnt), its cold and drizzly atm |
| 21:12.42 | Cairenn | bcsbcs: I'm not, I'm Canadian |
| 21:13.07 | Cairenn | where it's currently cold and snowing |
| 21:13.24 | Cidan | and where all the hot wiminz of the world are |
| 21:13.30 | bcsbcs | I tried to emmigrate there few years back and they turned me down.... bleep bleep ... |
| 21:13.30 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:14.06 | cladhaire | bcsbcs: it was really warm today! |
| 21:14.17 | cladhaire | 6º when I woke up, 10º in the middle of the day |
| 21:14.29 | Cidan | Canadian women == God's gift to men. |
| 21:15.18 | bcsbcs | its the accent... some seem to be facinated by it lol |
| 21:15.24 | Cidan | and boobs. |
| 21:15.28 | phyber | is lightheaded bugged at the moment? it's doing crazy things in Zul'Drak right now (haven't been to other zones tonight). |
| 21:15.47 | Ose | #wowhead ? |
| 21:15.47 | phyber | I'll click on some coords, and it will point to some random place. have to delete it and then click them again to get proper destination. |
| 21:15.54 | phyber | usually like 300 yards out. |
| 21:16.37 | cladhaire | phyber: No, lightheaded works just fine |
| 21:16.44 | cladhaire | what you are describing is TomTom, not LightHeaded |
| 21:16.52 | cladhaire | and yes, there are some known bugs with TomTom, just open and close your map |
| 21:17.24 | phyber | k. i said lightheaded since that's the things giving the coords to tomtom ;) i was aware it could be either :) |
| 21:17.35 | cladhaire | its probably TomTom |
| 21:17.37 | cladhaire | unless its NPC coordinates |
| 21:17.42 | cladhaire | in which case you should update LightHeaded |
| 21:17.48 | cladhaire | there was some corruption in the NPC database a bit back |
| 21:18.16 | phyber | I have the latest LightHeaded, updated from wowi about an hour ago. I've opened and closed the map many times in the session too. |
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| 21:22.13 | cladhaire | once you've done it once after the waypoint is set, it should fix it |
| 21:23.28 | bcsbcs | anyone got a version of Akis recipie list with wotlk data that is correct for the recepie levels? |
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| 21:24.15 | bcsbcs | last i heard they were waiting for new correct data from wowhead but dunno if they ever got it sorted |
| 21:24.23 | Cidan | Uhm |
| 21:24.34 | Cidan | If it's not on the website, we surely wouldn't have it. |
| 21:25.22 | foxlit | Meh, unachievement |
| 21:25.29 | foxlit | Soloed Altruis at 80 |
| 21:25.45 | bcsbcs | I just asked as I prefer not to use alpha versions but that one is a pain since keep running off to find recepies i cant get at that skill lvl lol |
| 21:26.23 | Cidan | We == not magical or special people, just interface devs |
| 21:26.32 | Cidan | If it's not up on a website, we won't just happen to have stuff |
| 21:26.37 | zenzelezz | my god, Armageddon is freaking huge |
| 21:30.54 | foxlit | Moodle is just so awesome |
| 21:39.26 | |pez| | Moodle?` |
| 21:39.41 | |pez| | as in the... webapplication Moodle? |
| 21:45.26 | foxlit | no, as in the gorloc |
| 21:48.50 | AnduinLothar | wow [Critter Bites]'s are awesome |
| 21:51.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, yes they are |
| 21:52.01 | NightHawkTheSane | and a great way to skillup, too |
| 21:58.51 | Codex| | whats wrong with the frostfire bolt part of the following macro: |
| 21:58.58 | Codex| | ./cast [nomod:shift] Fireball;[mod:shift] Pyroblast;[mod:control] Frostfire Bolt |
| 21:59.31 | Shirik | anyone here familiar with .NET? |
| 21:59.38 | Shirik | specifically C++ .NET |
| 21:59.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Codex|: the nomod:shift part |
| 22:00.08 | Codex| | whats the workaround? |
| 22:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | put your conditions/spells from most restrictive to least |
| 22:00.41 | NightHawkTheSane | and don't use unnecessary conditionals |
| 22:01.09 | NightHawkTheSane | "/cast [mod:shift] Pyroblast; [mod:ctrl] Frostfire Bolt; Fireball |
| 22:01.11 | NightHawkTheSane | " |
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| 22:01.57 | Codex| | if i wanted to add /cast [button:2] Fireball(Rank 1) into that same /cast |
| 22:02.06 | Codex| | is that wise? |
| 22:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | no. |
| 22:02.22 | NightHawkTheSane | but the reasons have nothing to do with the macro |
| 22:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | downranking is useless now |
| 22:02.41 | Codex| | faster cast time |
| 22:02.48 | Codex| | if im looking for a quick dot on a rogue |
| 22:03.13 | NightHawkTheSane | seems expensive, and still worthless to me |
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| 22:03.35 | Codex| | i just like having one button for all my spells |
| 22:03.36 | Codex| | jhaha |
| 22:15.04 | Codex| | NightHawkTheSane: the control only works when pushing control and pushing the buttion, not control + that macro's hotkey |
| 22:15.06 | Codex| | any idea? |
| 22:15.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ctrl+hotkey is bound to something else |
| 22:15.30 | Corr-work | did they eliminate that problem where you can't cast a high-level spell on a friendly low-level character? |
| 22:15.54 | Engale|WoW | ok now I'm confused. |
| 22:16.15 | Engale|WoW | how do you know if a backpack (one of the 5) has been opened or closed? |
| 22:19.01 | Corr-work | ask yourself, "did i open that bag?" |
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| 22:19.57 | Engale|WoW | Right not I'm trying to learn the even trigger methods... |
| 22:20.23 | Engale|WoW | I have a frame I can open with a slash command but I want to try to open the same frame with a trigger... |
| 22:20.39 | Engale|WoW | the trigger I was thinkin' to use was the bags since it's easy to test |
| 22:20.48 | Engale|WoW | but I can't find the event to regester. |
| 22:21.51 | Corr-work | hmm, there may not be an event. you might have to hook the show function on the bag frame(s), which could vary if the user has a bag addon installed |
| 22:21.57 | Corr-work | but i'm just speculating! |
| 22:22.29 | Engale|WoW | well eventualy I'm going to make a bag addon... |
| 22:22.41 | Engale|WoW | right now I'm just trying to figure this stuff out.. |
| 22:23.03 | Engale|WoW | man i wish this was C++ |
| 22:23.06 | Engale|WoW | or even C# |
| 22:23.15 | Engale|WoW | i could read it so much faster |
| 22:23.24 | cbreak | you can make a key binding for it. |
| 22:23.45 | cbreak | lua is quite readable if you get used to it :) |
| 22:23.50 | |Jelly| | Quick question about expertise: Is there a cap or is it just a stat that you should get as much of as you can? |
| 22:23.54 | cbreak | and unlike C or C++, you can't do much evil |
| 22:24.14 | Engale|WoW | hehe:D |
| 22:24.18 | Engale|WoW | sounds good cbreak |
| 22:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: well, it negates mob parry and dodge. soo, think about that and take a guess :) |
| 22:24.32 | Engale|WoW | my goal is to eventualy write my own bag mod. |
| 22:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Poking anyone who knows... is there any magic needed to call a function defined within a table from <Scripts>? |
| 22:25.11 | cbreak | no magic. |
| 22:25.15 | Engale|WoW | just code |
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| 22:25.37 | Cide | hi |
| 22:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird. I've defined "function table:func()" and call it with "table:func()" in the XML |
| 22:25.46 | Shirik | do you know .NET by any chance? |
| 22:25.51 | Cide | newp |
| 22:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Errors out, saying that table:func() is nul |
| 22:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | *nil |
| 22:26.07 | Shirik | where did you define it? |
| 22:26.09 | Shirik | in a Lua file? |
| 22:26.15 | Shirik | Are you sure you called the Lua file before executing the XML file? |
| 22:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, loaded before the XML |
| 22:26.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:26.24 | ScytheBlade1 | One of the first things I checked |
| 22:26.29 | Shirik | are you sure the Lua file compiled? |
| 22:26.36 | ScytheBlade1 | positive |
| 22:26.49 | Shirik | are you sure you're not in an alternate universe? |
| 22:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the trick, isn't it? :) |
| 22:27.04 | Engale | o.o? |
| 22:27.10 | NightHawkTheSane | that happened to me, once |
| 22:27.27 | Engale | i wanta see this nifty new universe. |
| 22:27.33 | Shirik | That's why CLR is good. It works in alternate universes |
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| 22:27.35 | cbreak | does it say the table is nil? |
| 22:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not that great, really |
| 22:27.38 | cbreak | or the function? |
| 22:27.46 | Engale | i said nifty |
| 22:27.47 | cbreak | did you define the table as local? |
| 22:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | sometimes your math comes out right, bu t wrong, and it's just really frustrating |
| 22:27.56 | NightHawkTheSane | stupid alternate laws of physics |
| 22:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure, I'm not near a WoW-able computer atm, just bored and remembered that problem |
| 22:28.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And no, the table is global |
| 22:28.36 | cbreak | I would first check if the table exists |
| 22:28.42 | Engale | sure the xml files don't have a typo? |
| 22:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I did that, it exists |
| 22:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | As I can /dump thet table |
| 22:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And the XML file is fine |
| 22:28.56 | bnovc | do any key bindings work when a person is typing a chat message |
| 22:29.22 | cbreak | does the table contain the function? |
| 22:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 22:29.50 | cbreak | did you call (table["function"]):(args) |
| 22:29.56 | cbreak | or the normal syntax? :) |
| 22:30.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I called Table:Function() |
| 22:30.29 | cbreak | maybe you misspelled function |
| 22:30.40 | cbreak | (the name of the function I mean) |
| 22:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 22:30.49 | cbreak | otherwise, I don't know how it would get a nil |
| 22:30.50 | Engale | i thought I asked that already |
| 22:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I can copy/paste it into WoW |
| 22:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Runs fine |
| 22:31.49 | Engale | you can call the function if you run it as a script inside wow? |
| 22:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 22:32.01 | Engale | nifty |
| 22:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Very |
| 22:32.26 | Engale | you are in that universe NightHawkTheSane was describin' |
| 22:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kinda crazy I won't lie |
| 22:32.35 | Engale | get out of there and you'll be fine. |
| 22:33.12 | Engale | humm... |
| 22:33.16 | Engale | i got nothing |
| 22:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, me either |
| 22:34.18 | cbreak | well, all I can think of is an ordering problem |
| 22:34.20 | Engale | am I right in thinkin' if a = b and b = c then a = c? |
| 22:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | .. yes? |
| 22:34.35 | cbreak | Engale: no |
| 22:34.53 | cbreak | a = b, b = c means a contains what b contained, and b contains now what c contained |
| 22:35.10 | Engale | o.o? |
| 22:35.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, ha |
| 22:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah details |
| 22:35.26 | |pez| | So... I'm the chief for CrewCare at The Gathering 09.... If anyone knows what that is XD |
| 22:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap this is why I didn't install flash |
| 22:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sitting here listening to music, browsing the web, and then as I tab over to IRC I hear the WinXP "Beep" sound |
| 22:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Over and over and over |
| 22:36.08 | cbreak | (Engale: programmer joke :) |
| 22:36.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "YOU ARE THE 100,000TH VISITOR CLICK HERE" |
| 22:36.21 | ScytheBlade1 | *stab* |
| 22:36.40 | Engale | sry had a phone call |
| 22:36.42 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: what site? not one of ours I hope? |
| 22:36.44 | Engale | just got back off. |
| 22:36.53 | Engale | Cbreak: I got that. |
| 22:37.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: no, another site entirely. |
| 22:37.05 | Cairenn | okay good |
| 22:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Not nearly as well funded ;) |
| 22:37.13 | Cairenn | if it was ours, I'd be raising holy hell |
| 22:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | If it was I'd be giving it to you :) |
| 22:37.45 | Cairenn | damn well better ;) |
| 22:38.11 | Engale | stupid opera... brb I'm gettin' mirc |
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| 22:38.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. okay, i don't think I can solo prince valanar >.> |
| 22:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm, noscript and flashblock |
| 22:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I am satisfied now |
| 22:39.50 | zenzelezz | getting four items in one night in Naxx25 makes me feel like a real loot whore |
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| 22:42.56 | Engale | that's better |
| 22:46.45 | cbreak | ~devtools |
| 22:46.46 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 22:47.55 | bnovc | bleh why can't i bind keys to f1-12 and cast them while i'm typing |
| 22:48.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone around that's particularly good with ele shaman theorycrafting? |
| 22:48.36 | cbreak | yeah. and self cast modifier alt. let's hope you're on a mac then :) |
| 22:49.01 | cbreak | I think the chat line grabs all keyboard input |
| 22:49.26 | NightHawkTheSane | it does |
| 22:49.35 | bnovc | theres nothing that passes it? |
| 22:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i'm aware, but the concept of having a text entry field NOT catching a key press is kind of odd :P |
| 22:50.14 | cbreak | maybe override key bindings |
| 22:52.14 | bnovc | NightHawkTheSane: not really, modified keys that don't translate to a visible character shouldn't be catched by it |
| 22:52.28 | bnovc | e.g. f1-f12 or any key with a modifier |
| 22:52.48 | NightHawkTheSane | the edit box doesn't know what key presses do or don't translate to a character within the charset used |
| 22:53.09 | bnovc | warcraft could easily know that |
| 22:53.32 | bnovc | even my extra mouse buttons dont work |
| 22:53.32 | NightHawkTheSane | unlikely |
| 22:53.45 | NightHawkTheSane | your mouse buttons should work fine |
| 22:53.47 | bnovc | hm i think my extra mouse buttons may be emulating keys |
| 22:53.53 | bnovc | no, the extra side ones |
| 22:53.53 | NightHawkTheSane | that would cause them to not be :P |
| 22:54.21 | NightHawkTheSane | MOUSE1/2/3/etc (im not sure if wow suports more than MOUSE3) are not trapped by the edit box |
| 22:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | but if you have mouse buttons that emulate key presses, then obviously those ARE trapped |
| 22:54.26 | bnovc | i think thats it though :( |
| 22:56.35 | Shirik | These errors don't make any sense |
| 22:56.47 | bnovc | what are they |
| 22:56.55 | Shirik | error C3352: 'void test::IFileTest::mainExec(System::Object ^)' : the specified function does not match the delegate type 'void (System::Object ^)' |
| 22:57.08 | Shirik | void (System::Object ^) does not match void (System::Object ^) ...? |
| 22:57.29 | Cidan | uhm |
| 22:57.35 | bnovc | sounds like its giving you in error because of something around it :\ |
| 22:57.48 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, is this still the "emulate a CPU"? |
| 22:58.01 | Shirik | I'm writing unit tests for it |
| 22:58.05 | Cidan | you're passing a class method and not an actual object? |
| 22:58.07 | Shirik | before I continue on to the extra credit part |
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| 22:58.35 | Cidan | I mean, unless you're trying to typecast, which you're clearly... not, I don't think |
| 22:58.36 | Shirik | And I would never use .NET, but VS makes you write unit tests in .NET |
| 22:58.57 | cbreak | feel microsoft's evil spirit |
| 22:59.01 | Shirik | Cidan was pretty close actually :) |
| 22:59.07 | Shirik | I forgot to pass the object along with the delegate |
| 22:59.38 | Cidan | l2CPP |
| 22:59.54 | Cidan | What to do, what to do... |
| 22:59.58 | bnovc | code |
| 23:00.02 | Cidan | neh |
| 23:00.08 | Shirik | This isn't CPP |
| 23:00.11 | bnovc | c#? |
| 23:00.17 | Shirik | This is an evil bastardized version of CPP that needs to be thrown in a fire |
| 23:00.21 | Cidan | rofl |
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| 23:03.08 | bnovc | its pretty annoying that i have to change my code to run from WoW to lua with things like math.mod not working in WoW |
| 23:03.19 | Shirik | not working? |
| 23:03.23 | Cidan | not working? |
| 23:03.27 | bnovc | i have to use mod() and not math.mod() |
| 23:03.30 | bnovc | or so it seems |
| 23:03.32 | Cidan | eh? |
| 23:03.34 | bnovc | and i can't put require's in my files |
| 23:03.37 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:03.40 | Shirik | are you sure about that? |
| 23:03.42 | Cidan | wtf you talking about. |
| 23:03.43 | Shirik | and require never worked |
| 23:03.55 | Shirik | that's for security reasons |
| 23:04.05 | zenzelezz | <Wots ur spec lol>... |
| 23:04.09 | bnovc | i understand but i wish i had an #ifdef WARCRAFT |
| 23:04.19 | bnovc | instead of changing it to run there |
| 23:04.20 | cbreak | math.mod works for me |
| 23:04.30 | bnovc | hm, maybe i was wrong on that |
| 23:04.32 | Shirik | gotta run |
| 23:04.35 | Cidan | RUN WHERE |
| 23:04.37 | cbreak | or was that fmod? |
| 23:04.47 | Shirik | I'LL BE BACK NO WORRY |
| 23:04.47 | bnovc | i'm pretty sure i got an error from it but maybe not |
| 23:04.48 | zenzelezz | Cidan: away from Doomfire |
| 23:04.52 | cbreak | hmm... modf |
| 23:04.55 | bleeter | .NET, Microsoft's answer to Java. Java, what Goslin thought C++ should look like when he took a tab of LSD one afternoon. C++, the COBOL of the 90's. |
| 23:05.05 | cbreak | just pick the one you want :) |
| 23:05.26 | Cidan | I prefer C, 'cause I'm a slut for malloc, but, C++ is up there |
| 23:05.45 | Cidan | fancy "new" and "delete", BAH! |
| 23:05.54 | bleeter | Where did the names C and C++ come from? |
| 23:06.03 | bleeter | They were grades. |
| 23:06.11 | Cidan | Nonsense |
| 23:06.14 | Cidan | They followed B |
| 23:06.34 | Cidan | B was developed at Bell Labs |
| 23:07.05 | bleeter | I'm just quoting Jerry Leichter |
| 23:07.26 | Thunder_Child | bell labs was the font for half the shit out there |
| 23:07.34 | Thunder_Child | the D.O.D. is the other half |
| 23:07.35 | bleeter | qft tc |
| 23:07.55 | bleeter | Comparing C++ to COBOL is unfair to COBOL, which actually was a |
| 23:07.55 | bleeter | marvelous feat of engineering, given the technology of its day. The only |
| 23:07.55 | bleeter | marvelous thing about C++ is that anyone manages to get any work done in |
| 23:07.55 | bleeter | it at all. |
| 23:08.12 | WobWork | s'true |
| 23:08.20 | WobWork | I like C# for ease of use |
| 23:08.33 | WobWork | I like C/C++ for actually getting stuff done well |
| 23:08.40 | Cidan | h8 managed languages |
| 23:08.42 | bleeter | WobWork: get yerself http://www.simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf and lolol |
| 23:09.13 | cbreak | Lua is managed. :) |
| 23:09.23 | Cidan | Yus, I know |
| 23:09.30 | cbreak | lua hater! |
| 23:09.34 | cbreak | burn the heretic! |
| 23:09.36 | Cidan | which is why Shirik and I wrote an entire frame and object recycling system |
| 23:09.40 | cbreak | ~burn cidan |
| 23:09.40 | purl | ACTION pours gasoline all over cidan, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 23:09.52 | Cidan | Just so we can say, HAHA FUCK YOU GARBAGE COLLECTOR, WE > YOU |
| 23:10.03 | Cidan | That, and reusing frames is ftw. |
| 23:10.23 | cbreak | I did that too. |
| 23:10.34 | cbreak | for textures and tables :) |
| 23:11.17 | Cidan | we did it for everything, really |
| 23:11.43 | bnovc | is lua's GC really bad or something? |
| 23:11.48 | Shirik | Ooohhh, LOOK AT MEEEEE |
| 23:11.52 | Shirik | I'm SHIIRIIIKK |
| 23:11.59 | Cidan | Okay, anyway, no, it's fine. |
| 23:12.19 | cbreak | it's not that it's bad |
| 23:12.22 | Cidan | just don't like leaving things up to a GC, I've always hated it |
| 23:12.27 | Cidan | always seems... sloppy to me. |
| 23:12.29 | cbreak | I did it because the GC does not handle textures/frames |
| 23:12.37 | Cidan | ya, that too, annoys me |
| 23:12.40 | Cidan | wish it would |
| 23:13.23 | cbreak | and for tables I did it because I want to save time with not reallocating them |
| 23:13.57 | Cidan | ya, we did it for tables and any objects that had an index of sorts, so we could reuse them, ie: unit structures, etc, etc. |
| 23:17.44 | Cidan | well |
| 23:18.00 | Cidan | off to pick up hookers then beat the shit out of them for my money back on the streets of Liberty City |
| 23:18.19 | bnovc | when is the new one coming out |
| 23:18.22 | cbreak | you have a weird sense of liberty. |
| 23:18.30 | Cidan | what new one? |
| 23:18.37 | bnovc | i assume you were referencing GTA |
| 23:18.42 | Cidan | Yep. |
| 23:18.54 | bnovc | theres a new one coming out sometime soon |
| 23:19.07 | Cidan | News to me, I know there's DLC coming for GTA4 |
| 23:19.14 | Cidan | but no news on a -new- GTA |
| 23:19.25 | Cidan | There's GTA4 for PC coming in a few weeks |
| 23:19.34 | bnovc | ah perhaps thats what i'm thinking of |
| 23:19.37 | Cidan | along with a full editor |
| 23:20.23 | abyx | whats the command to check if a frame is visible? is it :IsVisible()? |
| 23:20.37 | Cidan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 23:20.40 | Cidan | learn it |
| 23:20.41 | Cidan | love it |
| 23:20.43 | Cidan | search it |
| 23:21.18 | Cidan | and before anyone bitches, give a man a fish, teach a man to fish, etc, etc. |
| 23:21.21 | Cidan | =D |
| 23:21.39 | cbreak | but...but... |
| 23:21.44 | cbreak | leveling up fishing absolutely sucks |
| 23:22.00 | abyx | i'm on it right now but i was just making sure... i'm not entire sure how the frame work system works so... i found isvisible being a part of Regions but wasn't sure if it works for frames as well.. |
| 23:22.09 | WobWork | Give a man a fire, and he'll be warm for the night. |
| 23:22.15 | Cidan | Frame |
| 23:22.15 | Cidan | See Frame object information for details. |
| 23:22.17 | Cidan | Frame has all of the methods from UIObject and Region, plus the following: |
| 23:22.23 | WobWork | Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life |
| 23:23.05 | Cidan | abyx: At the top of the "Frame" header on the website, it says, Frame has all of the methods (functions) from UIObject and Region |
| 23:23.17 | abyx | i know, i should have looked |
| 23:23.30 | Cidan | If you ever want to know if an object inherits something, look there, and it will tell you. -nodnod- |
| 23:24.00 | Cidan | Remember that IsShown and IsVisible are different |
| 23:24.29 | Cidan | IsShown is if the state of the object is set to shown, regardless if the parent is hidden (thus making the object hidden) |
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| 23:24.42 | Cidan | IsVisible is if you can actually see the object right now |
| 23:25.11 | Shirik | bleeter: that's not fair |
| 23:25.13 | Shirik | C++ is god |
| 23:25.33 | abyx | thats why i was asking if IsVisible() is what i needed |
| 23:25.48 | Cidan | C++ is more of... the God of Biscuits |
| 23:25.51 | abyx | i saw IsShown and wasn't sure which was needed |
| 23:26.02 | abyx | C++ is more of... C with classes |
| 23:26.11 | Cidan | and templates |
| 23:26.11 | Shirik | god of biscuits? lol |
| 23:26.15 | Shirik | and references |
| 23:26.22 | Shirik | and overloading |
| 23:26.25 | cbreak | Objective-C is C with classes |
| 23:26.40 | Cidan | I kind of just mix and match the two languages |
| 23:26.49 | Cidan | like if I'm making a C++ program, I still use malloc |
| 23:27.03 | abyx | ew |
| 23:27.13 | abyx | new and delete are your friends |
| 23:27.23 | Cidan | in theory, yes |
| 23:27.39 | Shirik | you can't use malloc with classes though :) the constructor won't be properly called |
| 23:27.39 | bnovc | just overload new with your own malloc functionality if you feel safer ;) |
| 23:27.54 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:28.08 | Cidan | true, I use new when I have to, like Shirik said, for classes |
| 23:28.20 | Shirik | I always use new, it makes me feel happy :) |
| 23:28.34 | Cidan | you would, you sly dog you |
| 23:28.41 | Cidan | Eh?! EH?! |
| 23:28.55 | Shirik | would you like to see some of my godly code for this unit test? It has awesome C++ functionality |
| 23:28.59 | Shirik | and by awesome I mean oedipus rex |
| 23:29.03 | Cidan | rofl |
| 23:29.13 | Cidan | How does... one code oedipus rex? |
| 23:29.24 | Shirik | by making you want to gouge your eyes out |
| 23:29.33 | Cidan | because you've fucked your own mother? |
| 23:29.48 | Shirik | the macros are my favorite part: http://wowi.pastey.net/102988 |
| 23:29.53 | bnovc | for(;<something>;<something> new (<something>) <something>); hopefully |
| 23:29.58 | Cidan | oh god |
| 23:30.01 | Cidan | scrolled to the end |
| 23:30.05 | Cidan | want to die |
| 23:30.11 | Shirik | liked the reinterpret_casts too? |
| 23:30.15 | Cidan | You should be shot |
| 23:30.16 | Shirik | I had to convert endianness |
| 23:30.36 | Shirik | I'm not turning this in, fortunately :) |
| 23:30.44 | Shirik | I'm just doing it so I can test all the functionality |
| 23:31.07 | Cidan | wait, didn't you hate typecasting? |
| 23:31.15 | Cidan | I could have sworn you hated it |
| 23:31.24 | Shirik | I use the C++ casting operators all the time now :) |
| 23:31.30 | Shirik | I learned their beauty last summer |
| 23:31.34 | Shirik | however reinterpret_cast is still evil |
| 23:31.40 | cbreak | reinterprete is evil... _evil_ |
| 23:31.46 | Shirik | I don't have another option |
| 23:31.48 | Cidan | 46 unsigned char high = *reinterpret_cast<unsigned char*>(&expected); |
| 23:31.51 | Cidan | 47 unsigned char low = *(reinterpret_cast<unsigned char*>(&expected)+1); |
| 23:31.54 | Cidan | 48 *reinterpret_cast<unsigned char*>(&expected) = low; |
| 23:31.55 | Cidan | lol, for something evil, you sure use it a lot |
| 23:31.55 | Shirik | give me a better way to convert endianness |
| 23:31.57 | Cidan | 49 *(reinterpret_cast<unsigned char*>(&expected)+1) = high; |
| 23:32.36 | Cidan | No, I'd do it the same way too, I guess. I love it! |
| 23:32.36 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:33.07 | Shirik | And just think, this is only one unit test! |
| 23:33.08 | bleeter | for(;P("\n"),R=;P("|"))for(e=C;e=P("_"+(*u++/8)%2))P("|"+(*u/4)%2); |
| 23:33.14 | cbreak | there should be a macro |
| 23:33.15 | Shirik | well, it's several |
| 23:33.19 | cbreak | and ... |
| 23:33.29 | cbreak | endians in chars? |
| 23:33.33 | Shirik | no |
| 23:33.40 | Shirik | in 16-bit numbers |
| 23:34.01 | Shirik | I'm casting unsigned short*s to unsigned char*s to access them by byte |
| 23:35.45 | cbreak | I'd do it with bit shifting |
| 23:35.53 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/27/funny-pictures-naps/ |
| 23:36.12 | Thunder_Child | "Drugs. Teaching american children the metric system since 1937" |
| 23:36.14 | Cidan | one little two little three little endians... |
| 23:36.16 | cbreak | n = (o >> 8) | (o << 8) or something |
| 23:36.49 | Shirik | I guess that's a valid way to do it |
| 23:37.02 | Shirik | I would be curious how the compiler would translate that |
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| 23:37.27 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: lufluflufluflufluflufluf |
| 23:37.32 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: hi, =D |
| 23:37.34 | cbreak | x86 surely has bit shift ops. even sparc had it when I had to learn it :/ |
| 23:37.41 | Lopeppeppy | Hello, Cidan. Luf you too! |
| 23:37.59 | zenzelezz | I missed what you're doing, but wouldn't it have to be somethng like ((o & 0xF0) >> 8) | ((o & 0x0F) << 8) ? |
| 23:38.07 | bnovc | i don't know any popular arch that bit shifting doesn't work on |
| 23:38.32 | Cidan | I don't know any arch that bit shifting doesn't work on at all, uhm... |
| 23:38.53 | bnovc | neither do i but i wrote 'major' so people wouldn't say "I made this <arch name> that doesnt support it" |
| 23:38.56 | Cidan | that's like... not having... integers in a langu, oh, wait, uhm, that's like... |
| 23:39.31 | Cidan | Okay |
| 23:39.32 | Cidan | seriously |
| 23:39.34 | Cidan | Hookers |
| 23:39.42 | Cidan | they be calling. |
| 23:39.44 | cbreak | you should not need to mask it zen, and if you masked it |
| 23:39.51 | cbreak | you would mask the bytes, and not four bits :) |
| 23:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | Cidan, I thought you had yourself a hot girlfriend. |
| 23:40.20 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: I mean in GTA4, =D |
| 23:40.49 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: Said hot hot hot HOT (did I mention hot?) girlfriend is off with her family, tra lalala. |
| 23:41.08 | Cidan | Today was the worst Thanksgiving evar, oh OH OH! |
| 23:41.23 | Cidan | Except I found out today that my first girlfriend ever just got engaged last night, she told me over the phone |
| 23:41.30 | Lopeppeppy | Tra la la, you haven't been together all that long to count on holidays together. Oh oh oh, play more GTA4 and relax, it won't be forever. |
| 23:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* |
| 23:41.47 | Cidan | I was so happy for her I damn near broke out in tears when I was in front of the washington monument |
| 23:41.54 | |Jelly| | Peppy! <333 |
| 23:42.05 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: I know, I'm not bitching at all! =D |
| 23:42.05 | Lopeppeppy | That's awesome, Cidan. Love is good for people's to have. |
| 23:42.11 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Tofurkey, Jelly-dear. |
| 23:42.13 | Cidan | It is, it is indeed. |
| 23:43.22 | |Jelly| | Happy Thanksgiving, I'm going to make 79! kek |
| 23:43.28 | Fisker- | WHY SO GTA4? |
| 23:43.31 | Cidan | Good Job! |
| 23:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: feeling any better? |
| 23:43.38 | Shirik | she did Cidan? |
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| 23:43.47 | Cidan | No, not Nancy, Shirik |
| 23:43.49 | Shirik | or maybe this is someone else |
| 23:43.52 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:44.01 | Cidan | First girlfriend I dated, I dated for 5 years before Nancy |
| 23:44.09 | Cidan | Then I dated Nancy for 5 years |
| 23:44.13 | Cidan | and Nancy == a douche bag. |
| 23:45.30 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:45.34 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, my mood broke on Monday, I'm totally happy and cheerful. I have my holiday village up, and I'm going to put up some Xmas lights soon (no tree, I'm a heathen) |
| 23:45.34 | Shirik | damn |
| 23:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | BURN THE HEATHEN! |
| 23:46.05 | ScytheBlade1 | (-way- too easy) |
| 23:46.07 | Shirik | no don't burn the heathen :( |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | warm her maybe |
| 23:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That an offer, Shirik? |
| 23:46.22 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy is firey enough as it is |
| 23:47.24 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, Cidan. |
| 23:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | And Shirik gives good hugs, so that's all warmness. |
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| 23:47.41 | Cidan | Yes, yes he does. |
| 23:47.46 | Cidan | I love Shirik hugs. |
| 23:47.58 | Fisker- | ~kiss Shirik|Ecole |
| 23:47.59 | purl | ACTION forces Shirik|Ecole to give purl a big kiss on the hand |
| 23:48.01 | Lopeppeppy | No. All your Shirik hugs are belong to me. |
| 23:48.18 | Shirik | I what |
| 23:48.28 | Shirik | why are we stalking me? |
| 23:48.32 | Shirik | what did you say behind my back? |
| 23:48.39 | Thunder_Child | L2Log |
| 23:48.47 | Shirik | ah good point |
| 23:48.50 | Fisker- | i killed you behind your back Shirik |
| 23:48.52 | Shirik | Shiibot my friend! |
| 23:48.52 | Fisker- | but don't tell yourself |
| 23:50.17 | bleeter | WobWork: oh goodie, time to mess with the Kiwis heads again ;) |
| 23:50.27 | WobWork | ? |
| 23:50.40 | bleeter | 2nd test today, adelaide |
| 23:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | Just gettin' hugs, Shirik. |
| 23:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | and you know if I get out of practice stalking, I get cranky |
| 23:51.54 | bleeter | damnit our national anthem's crappy arghargahgahgr |
| 23:52.16 | Shirik | hu? |
| 23:52.32 | Thunder_Child | "alf and catwoman snuff porn crossover" |
| 23:52.34 | cbreak | I think my country has one too. if we do, it's also crappy. |
| 23:52.36 | bleeter | mind you, most aussies think patriotism is over-rated and are deeply suspicious of any contry expressing much patriotism, so not suprising our anthem's a pile of shit |
| 23:53.12 | WobWork | pft |
| 23:53.20 | cbreak | patriotism is suspicious |
| 23:53.20 | Cidan | Patriotism turns to fascism mighty quickly |
| 23:53.25 | Cidan | Always has, always will |
| 23:53.31 | Cidan | Which is why I'm careful with it |
| 23:53.31 | cbreak | people feel proud of something they had absolutely no influence on |
| 23:53.34 | bleeter | WobWork: when did you last use the word 'girt' in everyday language? |
| 23:54.00 | WobWork | I think we understand patriotism as a concept |
| 23:54.07 | WobWork | but the execution of it kinda creeps us out |
| 23:54.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i am amused: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKxoo7XzCWE |
| 23:54.29 | WobWork | bleeter: Sorry, too busy trying to memorise the second verse =) |
| 23:54.30 | Shirik | I love America. America is the best. All hail George Bush! |
| 23:54.44 | Cidan | FUCK YEAH |
| 23:54.53 | Cidan | WAR, KILL, DEATH, DIE YEAH AWESOME |
| 23:54.56 | Cidan | Okay, enough of that |
| 23:54.56 | WobWork | ... exactly =) |
| 23:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | awesome. |
| 23:55.02 | Cidan | Let's not make this into a flame fest. |
| 23:55.30 | WobWork | Or rather, for myself, I find myself confused as to just how rabidly patriotic some people can be |
| 23:55.40 | bleeter | the first six or seven notes are just basic harmonics of the key of the tune, highly advanced stuff there. none of yer handel or purcell crap! |
| 23:55.51 | Cidan | Because people are quick to forget history, and where we came from. |
| 23:56.02 | Cidan | They think it can't happen to us, we're better, we know better. |
| 23:56.06 | Cidan | Go figure |
| 23:56.07 | bleeter | WobWork: lol 2nd verse |
| 23:56.20 | WobWork | Beneath our radiant soouthern cross! |
| 23:56.25 | WobWork | We'll toil with heart and hand! |
| 23:56.31 | WobWork | To make this commonwealth of ours! |
| 23:56.32 | Shirik | bleeter: Nobody even knows our anthem beyond the first verse :) |
| 23:56.33 | bleeter | most aussies are doing well if they can get second half of the first sentence |
| 23:56.36 | WobWork | Reknown through all the lands! |
| 23:56.43 | Cidan | Shirik: Tsch, speak for your self. |
| 23:56.44 | WobWork | Something something something something! |
| 23:56.54 | WobWork | rhubarb rhubarb RHUBARB! |
| 23:56.55 | bleeter | WobWork: HMmm hmmm! HMmmHMhHM !! |
| 23:57.06 | WobWork | ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR! |
| 23:57.13 | bleeter | WobWork: WOOTS GIMME A BEER! |
| 23:57.28 | bleeter | what, that's not part of the anthem? |
| 23:57.34 | WobWork | I thought t was |
| 23:57.56 | bleeter | WobWork: I'm sure 'GTFO' is in there somewhere |
| 23:58.11 | WobWork | hehe for australians, it's not so much "America, Fuck yeah!" but "Australia, .. yeah... she'll be alright..." |
| 23:58.38 | bleeter | 'there's a bushfire about to burn out 100,000 homes and kill 20,00 people' 'nah wukkaz mate, she'l be right' |
| 23:59.00 | ajmitch | that's just a normal sydney summer, isn't it? |
| 23:59.03 | WobWork | well, tha's standard |
| 23:59.21 | WobWork | My friend, while working over in the UK, had a BushfireBox at home |
| 23:59.40 | WobWork | which was a box of his valuables that his parents could grab and run with if required =P |
