| 00:00.16 | End | awesome! |
| 00:00.32 | End | I made it so outfitter makes me nakid if I've been falling for a certain duration |
| 00:00.56 | End | (and the duration is dependant on my current health) |
| 00:06.59 | Industrial | woah cool if i turn my speakers up (had this by accident) and then download something i get noise :D |
| 00:07.08 | Industrial | it stops when the download finishes |
| 00:07.16 | Industrial | broken case :D??? |
| 00:07.24 | Industrial | or motherboard >_> |
| 00:07.53 | Industrial | haste: ^ |
| 00:07.57 | cbreak | you need gold cables |
| 00:08.17 | WobWork | with crystal plugs |
| 00:09.27 | AbsoRayne | http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/11/13 |
| 00:09.59 | AbsoRayne | ok |
| 00:10.01 | AbsoRayne | jyeah |
| 00:10.06 | AbsoRayne | I dont know what to say |
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| 00:12.06 | Industrial | >_< |
| 00:12.14 | Amarande | wow |
| 00:12.22 | Amarande | silithus is actually a pretty profitable area to grind in, too |
| 00:12.45 | Amarande | for one, it seems to have the only air elementals I've seen who actually like to *drop their elemental items* ... |
| 00:13.47 | Industrial | but hiw are level 60 items profitable |
| 00:14.52 | Amarande | Industrial: stuff people use on the way up to grind professions but don't feel like going to the trouble to gather |
| 00:15.30 | Amarande | though mostly I'm doing this because I figured, elementals, I'd hold onto the core of elements gathering quest from EPL and finish it here |
| 00:16.31 | Amarande | I also found at least two elemental airs, which my mage will like to have for a robe of power eventually |
| 00:16.48 | Kraps | erm, does it make a difference if i use a fist weap as an upgrade for a sword? |
| 00:17.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Man, I want to be a vyrkul chick ALL the time. the casting animation is awesome |
| 00:18.46 | Amarande | Kraps: well, if your fist weapons skill is lower, you'll be doing a good bit of badlands grinding :) |
| 00:19.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ...badlands? |
| 00:19.37 | Industrial | cant do that anymore |
| 00:19.45 | Kraps | what do is get a mage to cast int on me, and do stocks |
| 00:19.50 | Industrial | just hit a green mob repeatedly for about 15 mins |
| 00:19.51 | NightHawkTheSane | well, assuming you mean /blasted lands/ |
| 00:20.02 | Industrial | Kraps: why the int |
| 00:20.22 | Kraps | quicker skill ups |
| 00:20.35 | Industrial | ah right |
| 00:21.01 | Industrial | well i can just afk with a shield (==5k armor extra) and the wep :P |
| 00:21.16 | Industrial | mob doesnt die until you're reasonably high leveled |
| 00:21.27 | Kraps | hmm? |
| 00:23.08 | Industrial | if you skill up on a green mob |
| 00:23.09 | Amarande | hmm, did they change it so you can't get skill ups except from mobs that give experience or honor? |
| 00:23.57 | Industrial | no, a green mob will just not kill you in a minute |
| 00:23.59 | Industrial | :P |
| 00:24.04 | Industrial | while you afk \o/ |
| 00:24.17 | Amarande | that's why I usually went to Badlands and equipped a crappy version of whatever weapon I wanted to skill up in |
| 00:24.36 | bleeter | Amarande: soz, I went afk. a hint of 'don't bother waiting for us to investigate and probably restore the missing skill, just go out and redo it' |
| 00:24.37 | Kraps | if you skill up on a green mob? |
| 00:24.38 | Amarande | rock elementals have high armor + poor hit rate from low weapon skill = the first 100-150 or so points go by real quick |
| 00:24.52 | Kraps | you dont kill it? |
| 00:25.08 | Industrial | what am i talking nonsense? equip a shield if you can start hitting and come back later and your skill is in the 300 |
| 00:25.15 | Kraps | oh if its really low |
| 00:25.20 | Industrial | not at first, and only if its already nearing 300 skill |
| 00:26.01 | Industrial | if its already high /care just go do normal stuff with it :P |
| 00:26.28 | WobWork | why can't you use blasted lands mobs? |
| 00:26.37 | Kraps | i just replaced my HH blade |
| 00:26.42 | WobWork | does it have to be a green mob, does it? |
| 00:26.57 | Kraps | with a fist weap |
| 00:27.05 | bleeter | WobWork: the servants? they removed the weapon skill gain from them |
| 00:27.15 | Industrial | ^ |
| 00:27.21 | WobWork | ohrly? |
| 00:27.24 | WobWork | that's terrible =( |
| 00:27.25 | bleeter | WobWork: l2r patchnotes :P |
| 00:27.28 | Industrial | ^ |
| 00:27.36 | WobWork | pft, I haven't read patchnotes since pre3.0 |
| 00:27.39 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 00:27.43 | Amarande | actually, as a general rule |
| 00:28.01 | Amarande | it's best to do almost ANYTHING with green mobs |
| 00:28.09 | bleeter | I only read patch notes to try and work out what they incorrectly noted/failed to note |
| 00:28.39 | Kraps | looks like a freaking robot arm |
| 00:29.33 | bleeter | if you have a mate that's a hunter, get them to get their tank pet out, aggro a mob onto the pet, hunter heal pet, then you hit mob. hunter gets pet to growl at mob so aggro is always on pet. |
| 00:29.44 | bleeter | (or if you're a hunter.. or a lock... etc.) |
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| 00:30.28 | bleeter | though if you're a lock and trying to skill up weapons, except for the achievement, you should prolly just quit now |
| 00:30.52 | Corr-work | i'd subtract "except" :) |
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| 00:31.06 | Industrial | im telling you unless your a clothie in which cast weapon skill doesnt matter you arent going to die if you just whack a mob a bit under your level for 15 minutes and its the laziest way ever. |
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| 00:31.12 | Industrial | case* |
| 00:31.22 | WobWork | meh. Train your cat to hit the auto attack button, then stand outside of shadowlabs =) |
| 00:31.37 | Industrial | heh |
| 00:31.46 | Codayus_ | Hey, Bliz told me locks were caster/melee hybrids. That's why they get Firestones! |
| 00:31.58 | WobWork | I still recall a firestone warlock build |
| 00:32.32 | Codayus_ | Heh, it's funny just how faw some classes/elements of classes have come. |
| 00:33.37 | Codayus_ | (The other good example being all the tank talents shamans used to get.) |
| 00:34.08 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:34.19 | Amarande | doesn't the CC rep grind consist just of slaughtering the Twilight guys till you get enough texts? |
| 00:34.54 | kamdis | and summoning the minibosses |
| 00:35.06 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Technically, but there's some other bits too. Field Duty, for example. |
| 00:35.53 | bleeter | there's also the lowbie quests from Darnassus |
| 00:36.00 | Pneumatus | if you want to break the tedium you can do field duty, but texts is the fastest way to grind rep consistantly |
| 00:36.01 | Corr-work | those bosses were the most ridiculous things |
| 00:36.02 | Codayus_ | Which isn't part of the rep grind, exactly, but IS used to get badges to buy items which have an exalted rep requirement. |
| 00:36.02 | bleeter | not much rep, but some |
| 00:36.15 | Pneumatus | and do the abyssal summons and hand in 3 crests at a time |
| 00:36.36 | Corr-work | those bosses took SO much effort to summon. i looked at their drops and was not impressed. were they good? |
| 00:36.42 | Codayus_ | Since you probably wearn't grinding CC rep without a reason, and the reason was probably CC badge loot, people lump in Field Duty, the summoning quests, the text turn ins, etc. |
| 00:37.09 | Codayus_ | Corr-work: Actually, they were pretty easy to summon, even the raid boss didn't require much mats, and they DID drop very good loot at the time. |
| 00:37.20 | Pneumatus | i summoned the raid bosses pre-3.0 but only to get 2 quests completed for the loremaster achievement |
| 00:37.30 | Codayus_ | Pretty easy...if you were out there grinding anyhow. |
| 00:37.31 | WobWork | they've increased the rep gain from those |
| 00:37.37 | Pneumatus | you can solo the raid bosses now |
| 00:37.37 | WobWork | to something ridiculous |
| 00:37.42 | Corr-work | well, if you were grinding already i guess |
| 00:38.18 | Codayus_ | And yeah, for example, one of the easy guys you could duo dropped the BEST blue rogue MH dagger in the game at one point. |
| 00:38.20 | Corr-work | from the perspective of someone who didn't care about the rep, it seemed ridiculous that you had to gather so very many items just for a single chance at the boss |
| 00:38.24 | Corr-work | blue? |
| 00:38.29 | Corr-work | not even epic? |
| 00:38.37 | Pneumatus | the lords also had a quest to get the best possible nature resist ring |
| 00:38.43 | Codayus_ | Dang kids. Back then we used blues and LIKED it. |
| 00:38.49 | Corr-work | heheh :) |
| 00:39.09 | WobWork | in the snow! |
| 00:39.12 | Corr-work | i'll shut up now, anyway. i'm thinking bad thoughts upon being reminded of resist fights. |
| 00:39.13 | WobWork | uphill both ways! |
| 00:39.53 | Codayus_ | Actually, blues WERE good back then; Bliz didn't really hand out epics except for raids. And their itemization was so poor, blues were often better than T1 stuff. :-/ |
| 00:40.58 | kd3 | mmm... chicken parmesean |
| 00:41.02 | Codayus_ | Don't forget, if they were doing Wrath using Vanilla conventions, all the Naxx bosses would drop blues, except for Kelthuzad. |
| 00:41.41 | AnduinLothar | yeah well greens used to be worth wearing too at one point |
| 00:41.49 | bleeter | kd3: U GIEF NAO! |
| 00:43.10 | AnduinLothar | is it possible to get corrupted ashbringer from naxx still? |
| 00:43.22 | kd3 | in naxx-80? doubt it, strongly |
| 00:43.34 | kd3 | especially considering the ashbringer isn't there any more |
| 00:44.12 | AnduinLothar | "In Wrath of the Lich King, Corrupted Ashbringer is wielded by Alexandros' son, Highlord Darion Mograine. " |
| 00:44.32 | kd3 | and that |
| 00:45.00 | kd3 | before he tosses it to tirion, cleansing it in the process in the Battle for Light's Hope Chapel |
| 00:45.01 | Codayus_ | Eh, by the time you've wandered around Howling Fjord for a bit, that's not entirely accurate. |
| 00:45.12 | kd3 | and then loses it on the way to northrend... >.> |
| 00:45.17 | Codayus_ | But it's certainly not in Naxx. :) |
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| 01:07.19 | Dashkal | Oh I so totally called it. FAP to be removed. Ferals to scale off of weapon DPS |
| 01:07.55 | Amarande | hmm, is [60] Field Duty bugged or is it just that slow? |
| 01:08.01 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 01:08.18 | cbreak | will bear druids still be able to speak if they wield their weapon in their mouth? |
| 01:08.30 | Dashkal | Definitely gonna need ratingbuster to figure out what my AP is gonna be... |
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| 01:09.50 | |pez| | ratingbuster? |
| 01:10.58 | Dashkal | Mod that does stat -> useful stat conversions for you (Agi -> crit, crit raiting -> crit, etc) |
| 01:11.44 | Amarande | hmm, guess it's just that slow |
| 01:11.51 | Amarande | why does the super giant bug take so long anyway? heh |
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| 01:16.08 | |pez| | oohok |
| 01:16.11 | |pez| | smeeeeeeeep |
| 01:16.18 | |pez| | for little pezzes |
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| 01:33.57 | Shirik|zZz | cbreak: I'm considering that |
| 01:34.31 | Shirik|zZz | I actually have a slightly different idea but the objective is just to reduce spam |
| 01:34.49 | Shirik|zZz | especially with EU's horrible formatting scheme that I haven't been able to figure out yet |
| 01:35.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|zZz: ignore the first line, it's the timestamp nearly always |
| 01:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | (From comparison, not display) |
| 01:35.45 | Shirik|zZz | I'm already ignoring the first line :) It's always SERVERALERT: |
| 01:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay second ;) |
| 01:35.56 | Shirik|zZz | : |
| 01:35.57 | Shirik|zZz | :) |
| 01:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen several updates where the timestamp was the only thing that changed |
| 01:38.13 | Shirik|zZz | that means I'd have to chop it somehow, and unfortunately currently the script that determines if anything's changed is a shell script |
| 01:38.20 | Shirik|zZz | so I'd have to do some crazy sed magic I guess |
| 01:39.46 | Tem | out of curiosity, Do you guys have a Popeyes? |
| 01:39.59 | bleeter | that's a rather personal question |
| 01:40.05 | Shirik|zZz | In VA I did |
| 01:40.10 | Shirik|zZz | I don't have one around here unfortunately |
| 01:40.26 | Tem | where is "around here?" |
| 01:40.40 | Shirik | Daytona Beach, FL |
| 01:40.46 | Tem | Sbo, I hate you, btw |
| 01:40.57 | Cralor` | Hey guys. I am trying to have a font string show the current value of the slider. This is what I am doing (obviously wrong): rmscaletitle:SetText(rmslider:GetValue()) - Can anyone point me into the right direction? |
| 01:41.13 | Tem | that's not wrong |
| 01:41.20 | Tem | you just need to do it more frequently |
| 01:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: ? |
| 01:41.28 | Thunder_Child | Tem, thats like saying Cairenn is weird, you are stating the obvious |
| 01:41.39 | Tem | Cairenn, is NOT weird! |
| 01:41.49 | Tem | damn you, Tab Compete |
| 01:41.50 | Cralor` | Tem: were you talking to me? |
| 01:41.57 | Tem | Cralor`, yes. |
| 01:42.04 | Thunder_Child | you have talked to her right?.... |
| 01:42.09 | Tem | in person |
| 01:42.16 | Thunder_Child | then you should know this |
| 01:42.22 | Tem | You need to do that same call whenever the value of the slider changes |
| 01:42.23 | Legorol | bleeter: there's a new version of EquipCompare up if you wanted to get it, I mostly fixed the main/offhand bug |
| 01:42.25 | Cairenn | :p |
| 01:42.25 | Cralor` | Tem: what do you mean do it more frequently :P - OnValueChanged? |
| 01:42.37 | Tem | and yes, OnValueChanged is exactly it |
| 01:42.38 | Legorol | s/mostly fixed/fixed/ |
| 01:42.43 | Cralor` | Tem: thanks |
| 01:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: Why the h8? |
| 01:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: (aside from me saying "h8") |
| 01:42.59 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, really? |
| 01:43.00 | Legorol | I mostly fixed the tooltip placement issues as well |
| 01:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | (I hate myself for that one too) |
| 01:43.07 | Thunder_Child | you have to ask |
| 01:43.09 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 01:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 01:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It's usually new and exciting |
| 01:43.20 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, for making me want to be in a guild that's completely infeasible |
| 01:43.24 | Thunder_Child | if i said i hate you would you have to ask? |
| 01:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: I've done well |
| 01:43.43 | Tem | I want a guild that will be successful |
| 01:43.48 | Tem | and I don't want to hate half the members |
| 01:43.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that -is- my goal |
| 01:43.52 | Tem | as I do in my current guild |
| 01:44.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never completed an expansion on my own, always raided with mid tier guilds |
| 01:44.07 | Tem | I get along -really- well with half the members of my guild |
| 01:44.09 | Legorol | Tem: you are asking for the impossible ;) |
| 01:44.13 | Tem | they're awesome people |
| 01:44.19 | Tem | but fuck |
| 01:44.19 | Tem | the other half? |
| 01:44.30 | Tem | I haven't logged in since saturday because I don't feel like being around them |
| 01:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd like to finish an expansion out (a) to finish one out and (b) on my own |
| 01:44.58 | Tem | since LK launched, I've played less than 8 hours |
| 01:45.23 | Tem | I suppose that's good news for my grades |
| 01:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 01:45.47 | Tem | but it's an indicator for "it's time to leave this guild because they're making the game less fun for you" |
| 01:45.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 01:46.44 | Tem | (though, I do think it's funny that my DK is level 65 on less than 8 hours of play) |
| 01:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | it'd be no trivial stretch to get another DK in |
| 01:47.23 | cbreak | one of my guild mates hit exalted with the winterspring furbolgs with his dk at 60 within a few hours |
| 01:47.34 | cbreak | I didn't get that in many more hours with my mage :( |
| 01:47.48 | cbreak | I think they get xp/rep bonus or something |
| 01:49.19 | Amarande | nice |
| 01:49.31 | Amarande | the Combat Assignments I got actually involve going to the place I need to go to for a quest |
| 01:49.42 | Amarande | 120 silithids total though :S |
| 01:49.53 | Amarande | ah well, gives me an excuse NOT to look up the right route through Hive'Regal on Wowhead |
| 01:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: well looking at that token right now, no matter your class (DK or feral), your token would -suck-. We have at least 12 people on that single token as-is, oy |
| 01:53.29 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, the only light at the end of the tunnel is vanq is a 40% drop |
| 01:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: well, looking at the numbers now, we have 1 prot warrior and 3 tanking DKs. |
| 01:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 01:54.02 | Tem | lol |
| 01:54.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: so.. thats 60% of the time you'll be crying, as opposed to 66%? >.> |
| 01:54.27 | Tem | no |
| 01:54.39 | Tem | lua> 1- .6^3 |
| 01:54.40 | lua_bot | Tem: 0.784 |
| 01:54.52 | Tem | I'll be happy 78.4% of the time |
| 01:54.59 | Cralor` | Tem: i got it working. but for some reason i am getting lots of decimals. might you know why? my value step is at 0.1 |
| 01:55.15 | Tem | I know EXACTLY why |
| 01:55.27 | Tem | because .1 cannot be expressed in binary |
| 01:55.46 | Cralor` | what can be expressed =) |
| 01:55.59 | Tem | just round it |
| 01:56.03 | Tem | it's no big deal |
| 01:56.16 | Cralor` | round to 1? |
| 01:56.22 | Cralor` | and have larger min max? |
| 01:56.31 | Tem | no, round the number you get |
| 01:56.37 | Cralor` | oh |
| 01:56.39 | Cralor` | =/ |
| 01:56.45 | Cralor` | i don't know how to do that |
| 01:56.45 | Tem | to 1 decimal place |
| 01:56.49 | Tem | ask google |
| 01:56.54 | Tem | or wowwiki |
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| 01:58.26 | Legorol | !api math.round |
| 01:58.27 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'math.round'. |
| 01:58.28 | Lunessa | Off for home. |
| 01:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | math.floor |
| 01:58.45 | Legorol | floor doesn't round though |
| 01:59.48 | NightHawkTheSane | implement your own rounding :p |
| 01:59.50 | Cralor` | Legorol: it seems it does: local x = floor(value + .5) |
| 02:00.10 | Legorol | that works of course, and you need it since math.round doesn't exist |
| 02:00.14 | Legorol | contrary to what i remembered |
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| 02:01.30 | Legorol | lua> math.floor(0.4999999999999999999999999+0.5) |
| 02:01.31 | lua_bot | Legorol: 1 |
| 02:01.38 | Legorol | lua> math.floor(0.499999999999999999+0.5) |
| 02:01.39 | lua_bot | Legorol: 1 |
| 02:01.45 | Legorol | lua> 0.499999999999999999 |
| 02:01.46 | lua_bot | Legorol: 0.5 |
| 02:01.49 | Legorol | lua> 0.4999999999999 |
| 02:01.50 | lua_bot | Legorol: 0.4999999999999 |
| 02:01.56 | Legorol | lua> 0.49999999999999 |
| 02:01.57 | lua_bot | Legorol: 0.49999999999999 |
| 02:01.59 | Legorol | lua> 0.499999999999999 |
| 02:02.00 | lua_bot | Legorol: 0.5 |
| 02:02.09 | Legorol | lua> math.floor(0.49999999999999+0.5) |
| 02:02.10 | lua_bot | Legorol: 0 |
| 02:02.13 | Legorol | goodie |
| 02:02.17 | Legorol | no rounding error with the 0.5 |
| 02:04.29 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:04.38 | Cralor` | i just added the math.floor and now it shows only 0, 1, and 2 |
| 02:04.42 | Amarande | in the next expansion: we find out that the leader of the Cenarion Circle is secretly ... NESINGWARY |
| 02:09.55 | Cralor` | Legorol: what if I don't want to round up to whole numbers? |
| 02:10.03 | Shirik | 0.5 shouldn't have a rounding error, Legorol :) |
| 02:10.12 | Shirik | It's the easiest non-integral value to represent |
| 02:10.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: link to your feral by chance? |
| 02:10.17 | Shirik | 1.0 x 2^-1 |
| 02:10.45 | Legorol | Shirik: d'oh, of course |
| 02:11.03 | Legorol | Cralor`: math.floor(x*100 + 50)/100 |
| 02:11.08 | Legorol | that rounds to 2 digits |
| 02:11.21 | Legorol | oops, i mean |
| 02:11.30 | Legorol | math.floor(x*100 + 0.5)/100 |
| 02:11.42 | Cralor` | lua> math.floor(x+100 + 0.5)/100 |
| 02:11.43 | lua_bot | Cralor`: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'x' (a nil value) |
| 02:11.51 | Cralor` | woopsie |
| 02:12.07 | Legorol | lua> math.floor(12.1212112*100+0.5)/100 |
| 02:12.07 | lua_bot | Legorol: 12.12 |
| 02:12.13 | Legorol | lua> math.floor(12.1292112*100+0.5)/100 |
| 02:12.13 | lua_bot | Legorol: 12.13 |
| 02:12.56 | Cralor` | lua> math.floor(12.1212*10+0.5)/10 |
| 02:12.57 | lua_bot | Cralor`: 12.1 |
| 02:13.05 | Cralor` | that's what i need :) |
| 02:15.52 | Cralor` | Legorol: for some reason math.floor is causing it to show only values 0, 1, and 2 |
| 02:16.21 | Cralor` | if i take it out and do the math, it still shows decimals |
| 02:17.55 | Legorol | Cralor`: i don't understand you |
| 02:17.59 | Legorol | lua> math.floor(92.1292112*100+0.5)/100 |
| 02:18.00 | lua_bot | Legorol: 92.13 |
| 02:18.02 | Legorol | works fine |
| 02:18.47 | Legorol | what sort of numbers are you trying to display, and how many decimals places do you want to round them to? |
| 02:19.03 | Legorol | if you want to round to 1 decimal, use this: |
| 02:19.09 | Cralor` | i am trying to display 0.1, 0.2, 0.3... 1 decimal place |
| 02:19.09 | Legorol | lua> math.floor(92.1292112*10+0.5)/10 |
| 02:19.10 | lua_bot | Legorol: 92.1 |
| 02:19.14 | Cralor` | i am |
| 02:19.37 | Legorol | are you properly multiplying and dividng by 10? |
| 02:19.54 | Cralor` | lua> math.floor(8.100040002345*10 + 0.5) / 10) |
| 02:19.55 | lua_bot | Cralor`: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '/' |
| 02:20.20 | Amarande | gah, I'm gonna have to look this up on wowhead anyway |
| 02:20.26 | Cralor` | lua> math.floor(8.1000004000002345*10 + 0.5) / 10 |
| 02:20.27 | lua_bot | Cralor`: 8.1 |
| 02:20.31 | Amarande | I went through all of Hive'Regal that I could see and no Natalia |
| 02:20.55 | Cralor` | lua> math.floor(8.00000456*10 + 0.5) / 10 |
| 02:20.55 | lua_bot | Cralor`: 8 |
| 02:20.59 | Amarande | not that that's so bad since I have a Nesingwary-grade quota of bugs to kill, but still ... |
| 02:21.34 | Amarande | wonder if there's any world epics I can find in Silithus |
| 02:21.37 | Cralor` | Legorol: yes |
| 02:21.56 | Cralor` | when i have: 'rmscaletitle:SetText((rmslider:GetValue()*10 + 0.5) / 10)' i get the decimal places |
| 02:22.28 | Legorol | ok, if you are getting the decimal places, what's the problem then? |
| 02:22.30 | Legorol | i'm confused |
| 02:22.45 | Cralor` | when i have: 'rmscaletitle:SetText(math.floor((rmslider:GetValue()*10 + 0.5) / 10)) |
| 02:22.51 | Cralor` | i get whole numbers |
| 02:23.06 | Cralor` | when i say decimal places i mean like 6 |
| 02:23.09 | Legorol | of course you do, wrong use of brackets |
| 02:23.30 | Cralor` | what do you mean? |
| 02:23.56 | Legorol | correctly: rmscaletitle:SetText(math.floor(rmslider:GetValue()*10 + 0.5) / 10) |
| 02:24.14 | Legorol | the way you were bracketing, you included the /10 inside the bracket for the floor |
| 02:24.38 | Cralor` | ohh... |
| 02:25.04 | Legorol | you had a pair of brackets too many |
| 02:25.06 | Cralor` | thank you very much. |
| 02:25.13 | Legorol | np |
| 02:29.50 | bleeter | haha.. anyone else noticed that http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal has docs that are more than 18 months out of date? |
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| 02:50.45 | Amarande | hmm, I think I just pissed off one of the better known Guild Masters on the server |
| 02:51.34 | Amarande | Death Grip FTL. :| |
| 02:52.46 | Amarande | Guess how I pissed the guy off, in detail. :) |
| 02:56.22 | Amarande | "Hey, there's the mob I've been looking for!" *YOINK* "well, you just killed the mob I was looking for ..." |
| 02:57.36 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, so not really anything interesting like.. "oh, you attacked me, now i'll bait you just close enough so i can.. death grip you into falcon watch guards." |
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| 02:58.46 | Amarande | nah, just becoming a death grip ninja, heh |
| 02:58.58 | Amarande | I think I deserved it more, though anyway |
| 02:59.14 | Amarande | I'd already spent an hour wandering around the wrong damned cavern because I figured to look for things myself instead of looking everything up on wowhead :P |
| 02:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (has actually done that, by the way, got my very first HK on beta that way) |
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| 03:03.25 | Nom- | yay i love JNDI |
| 03:04.11 | Nom- | sooooo much easier than having a dev/staging/live configuration which you have to remember to (un)comment before deployment |
| 03:04.15 | WobWork | I have renamed that skill on my toolbar |
| 03:04.19 | WobWork | to "DeathGrief" |
| 03:05.04 | Arrowmaster | java eww |
| 03:05.52 | WobWork | also, has anyone else noticed Shadow of Death not proccing? |
| 03:07.57 | WobWork | (which may be the most underrated DK skill ever |
| 03:07.58 | WobWork | ) |
| 03:08.09 | WobWork | since self-exploding as a ghoul counts as a pvp death =) |
| 03:08.22 | WobWork | and zoning appears to bring you back to life |
| 03:14.21 | bleeter | kd3: so I threw out the rpmfusion foo, went with the nvidia supplied... seems to work out, my new syustem only starts grinding when I have the 8th login screen active ;) |
| 03:16.23 | kd3 | har |
| 03:17.54 | Thunder_Child | they need to make more movies like war, inc. |
| 03:19.58 | ZorbaTHut | hahaha. "any help I'm on a private server and now Quest helper is saying i dosn't support private servers any idea why?????" |
| 03:20.11 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder why that could be? I'm completely puzzled by it! I cannot imagine what could cause that error |
| 03:23.33 | Shirik | Is O(n) better than O(n^2)? |
| 03:23.35 | Shirik | er |
| 03:23.39 | Shirik | O(n!) better than O(n^2) |
| 03:23.47 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, far, far, far worse |
| 03:23.52 | Shirik | Okay, then I'm confused |
| 03:24.01 | ZorbaTHut | well, assuming your goal is to *not* consume CPU :) |
| 03:24.03 | Shirik | I just improved my algorithm, but I think it went from O(n^2) to O(n!) |
| 03:24.22 | WobWork | from a single power to a multiple power? |
| 03:24.23 | ZorbaTHut | if n is small, or the constant factor is different, unexpected things can happen |
| 03:24.29 | Shirik | no I figured it out |
| 03:24.33 | Shirik | it's not O(n!), I'm being crazy |
| 03:24.56 | Shirik | It's ... something strange |
| 03:25.10 | WobWork | 0(wtf) |
| 03:25.15 | kd3 | the hell!? they still haven't fixed rayne/rimblat |
| 03:25.15 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:25.17 | ZorbaTHut | O(n^cthulhu) |
| 03:25.38 | Shirik | it's like |
| 03:25.38 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: The higher n gets, the more your brain will melt out of your ears? |
| 03:26.05 | ZorbaTHut | wobwork, people might *tell* you it's just an imaginary complexity. But they're lying to you. They're *all* lying to you. |
| 03:26.16 | Shirik | if n is 8, then it would be 7 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 |
| 03:26.24 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, that's O(n^2) |
| 03:26.31 | ZorbaTHut | O(n!) would be if it was * instead of + |
| 03:26.32 | Shirik | ok but it's a better constant than it was before :P |
| 03:26.35 | Shirik | yeah I know |
| 03:26.40 | Shirik | For some reason I thought it was * |
| 03:26.42 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's about half as much CPU :) |
| 03:27.58 | Shirik | It probably could be better if I presorted it |
| 03:27.58 | Shirik | I'll worry about that later |
| 03:27.58 | Shirik | functionality first |
| 03:29.18 | Amarande | hmm, wonder if I will end up going to outland at 63 at this rate |
| 03:30.06 | Amarande | I'm about to ding 62, and there's still Winterspring |
| 03:33.10 | Shirik | It still scares the hell out of me putting an O(n^2) algorithm in an OnUpdate handler |
| 03:33.26 | Shirik | but n should never be large and it also will rarely run so... |
| 03:35.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Phishers have already cloned the new WoW account login page |
| 03:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Good stuff |
| 03:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The entertaining there here is that the domain is "Test GM Upgrade" |
| 03:37.30 | Shirik | heh |
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| 03:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Or rather, "Blizzard GM Upgrade" |
| 03:37.54 | Shirik | sadly it's a good idea |
| 03:37.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUhSjuhQYE |
| 03:38.01 | Shirik | a lot of people would jump on that in a heartbeat without thinking it over |
| 03:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Second page of comments, at the top |
| 03:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "login and enjoy Crazy GM power! " |
| 03:39.17 | Shirik | Shatthra? |
| 03:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | wiw |
| 03:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *wow |
| 03:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That was -just- deleted |
| 03:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh no, it's still there |
| 03:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUhSjuhQYE |
| 03:41.09 | Tem | classic machinima |
| 03:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that's the right video |
| 03:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Second page of comments |
| 03:41.34 | Shirik | that's awesome ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:42.02 | Tem | I'm all about the professor plums |
| 03:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That was in a blizzard contest and disqualified |
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| 03:43.00 | Shirik | "Dude, you did not have a quest to sleep with my mom" |
| 03:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The best reason that we know of as to why it was disqualified, is that very clue board violated copyright |
| 03:43.30 | Shirik | "Please delete your wtf folder" rofl |
| 03:43.44 | ScytheBlade1 | BY THE LIGHT OF THE MOON |
| 03:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ where that line came from is that video |
| 03:45.54 | Shirik | that was awesome |
| 03:45.55 | Shirik | thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That guy is on my server |
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| 03:50.10 | Shirik | Does anyone know the associativity of == in Lua off the top of their head? Left-to-right? |
| 03:51.34 | Iriel | As usual, you can use parentheses to change the precedences of an expression. The concatenation ('..') and exponentiation ('^') operators are right associative. All other binary operators are left associative. |
| 03:51.44 | Shirik | is that from the manual? |
| 03:51.46 | Shirik | I must have missed it |
| 03:51.47 | Iriel | yes |
| 03:51.56 | Iriel | 2.5.6 Precedence |
| 03:52.17 | Shirik | oh I didn't go far enough |
| 04:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: did you read the GM chat in that movie? |
| 04:00.13 | Shirik | yeah :P |
| 04:00.40 | ScytheBlade1 | "He sneaks up and whispers into your year licking it softly saying 'How can I help you little one?'" |
| 04:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | s/year/ear/ |
| 04:01.05 | Shirik | I really liked the wtf folder comment |
| 04:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah indeed |
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| 04:20.47 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 04:20.54 | Shirik | table.insert(lines, L[multiple and "MULTIPLE_PLAYER_FORMAT" or "STANDARD_ACHIEVEMENT_FORMAT"]:format(v:getPlayer(), achievements); |
| 04:20.55 | Shirik | is that bad? |
| 04:21.46 | Iriel | bad is so subjective |
| 04:21.48 | Iriel | it's ugly 8-) |
| 04:21.50 | Kraps | when putting together a tanking set, is it ok to sacrifice defensive stats for stamina? |
| 04:22.59 | AnduinLothar | if you want to be able to take more damage |
| 04:23.22 | AnduinLothar | which means your healers have to heal more over time |
| 04:23.37 | AnduinLothar | but means you can survive mroe hits without beign healed |
| 04:24.26 | AnduinLothar | there tends to be a sweat spot in avoidance and damage reduction |
| 04:24.33 | AnduinLothar | sweet* |
| 04:24.53 | Kraps | problem is finding that spot |
| 04:25.17 | AnduinLothar | or rather, a sweet spot in required health, at which point all your additional resources go to damage reduction |
| 04:25.53 | AnduinLothar | the sweet spot in end game lvl 70 content was abotu 20k |
| 04:26.11 | Kraps | health? |
| 04:26.22 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 04:26.28 | AnduinLothar | but you could certainly tank with less or more |
| 04:26.33 | Kraps | huh.. |
| 04:26.41 | Kraps | i know i can |
| 04:27.04 | AnduinLothar | but at lvl 80 you can hit 20k in blues |
| 04:27.50 | AnduinLothar | and i'm not sure there's really enough people raiding at 80 for there to be a consensus yet about the sweet spot |
| 04:28.20 | Kraps | well, my tanking set gives just under 13k, at 71 |
| 04:28.56 | AnduinLothar | i don't think anyone's made a scale as to what's optimal or expected at non-cap level |
| 04:29.15 | Kraps | if i take the -def stats/+stam gear added, 134~~ |
| 04:29.17 | bleeter | Nom-, wobin, norgs and other aussies: http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/film-pirates-put-iinet-in-the-dock/2008/11/20/1226770617457.html |
| 04:29.32 | AnduinLothar | once you hit 80 you're gonna want to get uncrittable first, defense cap |
| 04:29.54 | Kraps | whats the new cap? |
| 04:30.13 | AnduinLothar | same % as before, the number value is jsut higher |
| 04:30.16 | kd3 | 83*5 |
| 04:30.29 | kd3 | lua>83*5 |
| 04:30.29 | lua_bot | kd3: 415 |
| 04:30.52 | Kraps | cool |
| 04:31.02 | Kraps | i'm at 402 |
| 04:31.19 | Kraps | or never mind |
| 04:32.11 | kd3 | wait, no. I'm wrong |
| 04:32.16 | kd3 | it'd have to be in the 500s |
| 04:32.20 | kd3 | the defense cap at 70 was 490 |
| 04:32.20 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 04:34.55 | Kraps | ding! |
| 04:36.57 | Kraps | improved rend? heh... |
| 04:37.11 | Kraps | rend is ok now |
| 04:37.20 | Kraps | but still |
| 04:38.48 | Amarande | yay, honored with CC |
| 04:39.46 | Kraps | imp rend is the only direct dps talent i can take now |
| 04:42.22 | Shirik | Are there new emotes? |
| 04:42.31 | Shirik | I just came across a bunch I've never seen before in ChatFrame.lua |
| 04:42.46 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.48 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.50 | kd3 | to name 2 |
| 04:42.53 | Shirik | I like /holdhand |
| 04:43.50 | batrick | zomg |
| 04:43.56 | batrick | alert the general forumz |
| 04:44.53 | batrick | hey shirik we are proud owners of vaporware lol |
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| 04:46.39 | Shirik | >.> |
| 04:52.34 | Tem | okay |
| 04:52.48 | Tem | Swaptunes is the best app for a modded ipod ever |
| 04:52.57 | Tem | -ever- |
| 04:53.26 | bleeter | Shirik: yeah, there's a whole bunch of the ones that they got as player feedback well before BC and then BC came out and everyone was 'wtf are the emotes you got us to submit??' hehe |
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| 04:59.12 | norova | What is the API function for linking a profession? o_O |
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| 05:22.53 | Amarande | grr, friggin quests that can only be turned in by one person per minute or so |
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| 05:27.52 | Codayus_ | Hmm? |
| 05:29.32 | Amarande | Codayus: some quest NPCs become unresponsive for short mini-events after people turn in quests with them |
| 05:31.56 | bleeter | yeah, painful for the first few weeks after release, but I'm glad they didn't disable the mini-events because of the launch rush |
| 05:32.40 | bleeter | kd3: were you building your own wine? just (another) thought, if self building did you PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=/usr/lib/pkgconfig ./configure |
| 05:32.59 | Corrodias | remember the ring of blood? |
| 05:33.03 | Corrodias | hoo boy |
| 05:35.01 | Nom- | bleeter: I know... it got sent around the office |
| 05:36.59 | Nom- | bleeter: Personally I don't think they have a leg to stand on... |
| 05:37.51 | bleeter | Nom-: dunno, if they beleive there's been infringement, and they've been seeking assistance from the carrier to further their investigation... could be something along the lines of conspiracy |
| 05:38.05 | Nom- | hehe no |
| 05:38.07 | bleeter | Nom-: the interesting part of the whole thing, to me, is the common carrier |
| 05:38.18 | Nom- | They've been sending those stupid emails and iiNet does nothing with them |
| 05:38.24 | Nom- | There's good reason for that |
| 05:38.53 | Nom- | Not legally required to, in fact legally obliged to do nothing. |
| 05:39.53 | Nom- | Privacy laws are a great thing: Do jack sh** until you get something from the police or a judge compelling you to do something. |
| 05:39.55 | Tem | AHAHAHAHA |
| 05:39.57 | Nom- | :P |
| 05:39.57 | Tem | Awesome |
| 05:39.58 | Tem | So |
| 05:40.10 | Tem | Who has seen the magicarp thing |
| 05:40.11 | bleeter | Nom-: 'until you get a judge', well that's what they're going after ;) |
| 05:40.29 | Nom- | No |
| 05:40.32 | Nom- | They're not :P |
| 05:40.48 | bleeter | well, I thought they were. I admit I ain't seen the court docs |
| 05:41.28 | Nom- | They've gone after Optus and Telstra before... basically they're saying iiNet isn't helping them to stop these users pirating, iiNet is saying "we've not had a formal request from the police or a judge for the customers' information" |
| 05:42.00 | mikma | [07:41:28] Vile says: Vile free? Vile love Snusnu! |
| 05:42.08 | Nom- | So no legal document has been produced saying that iiNet has to do anything, so done nothing |
| 05:42.33 | WobWork | whutwhut? |
| 05:42.45 | Tem | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/377178 |
| 05:43.01 | Nom- | I may be wrong, but that's the feeling I get... |
| 05:43.07 | Tem | it's the same guy as Jimmy: A World of Warcraft story |
| 05:43.13 | bleeter | WobWork: http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/film-pirates-put-iinet-in-the-dock/2008/11/20/1226770617457.html |
| 05:43.47 | bleeter | though I do note the story text has changed a fair bit since it first went up |
| 05:43.57 | bleeter | there's clearly a lot more background than just those two pages have |
| 05:44.47 | WobWork | hm |
| 05:44.52 | WobWork | actually. to be brutally honest |
| 05:45.04 | mikma | hahaha |
| 05:45.04 | mikma | [07:44:13] Vile says: SMASH! |
| 05:45.04 | bleeter | the realm problem is how many HP4J lasers the MIPI have identified as sharers =)) |
| 05:45.06 | Corrodias | i love it when you're brutal |
| 05:45.08 | WobWork | if the film and TV industry in australia wasn't so terrible, people wouldn't -need- to pirate |
| 05:45.35 | WobWork | Also, I'd say quite a lot of the pirating going on is for shows that never make it to Australia |
| 05:45.44 | WobWork | so technically, they're not losing any current money =P |
| 05:45.47 | Thunder_Child | it isnt NEED! |
| 05:45.51 | WobWork | only money 'in potentia' |
| 05:46.03 | |Jelly| | "2| [Omgbored]: Wts 4/5 Brutal rogue 3/8 tier 6 with netherdrake and 2.2k gold along with a fairly well geared resto druid about 1.2k+healz... Looking to trade for a fairly High level runescape account whisper with offers..." |
| 05:46.05 | |Jelly| | i lol'd |
| 05:47.14 | Corrodias | sigh, i hope he gets his money before the account is banned |
| 05:47.38 | Corrodias | which is just a matter of time now |
| 05:47.57 | Corrodias | well, gets his account |
| 05:48.48 | Shirik | Always fun seeing 500 people go offline, then laughing at them |
| 05:48.50 | Shirik | then you go offline :( |
| 05:49.21 | Codayus_ | Heh, Northrend crashed like 4 times in 15 minutes on Lightbringer US last night. |
| 05:49.31 | Codayus_ | Luckily, Iwas leveling my DK in Outlands. :) |
| 05:50.02 | Codayus_ | ...I admit, I'd have been a bit more peeved if it had interupted me. |
| 05:50.49 | Amarande | heh, last time the world servers crapped out, I was in Hinterlands and Quel'dorei Eastern Kingdoms was the server that went :| |
| 05:51.11 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:51.16 | Amarande | I may also be heading into Outland at 63 |
| 05:51.27 | Amarande | 36.4% through 62, and I have Winterspring to do next |
| 05:51.55 | Amarande | Simple logic: 1) I need to explore it to get the exploration achievement. 2) It's at the right level to gain some useful xp from. 3) Therefore, it's time to quest it. |
| 05:52.01 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 05:52.27 | Codayus_ | Do note that you'll level faster in Outlands due to cranked up XP. And get better items. *shrug* Less crowded though. |
| 05:52.44 | Codayus_ | Hellfire is crawling with DKs these days. |
| 05:52.45 | Amarande | The fun thing about this is I'll probably end up in the end doing exactly what Blizzard didn't want us to do with flying mounts in Northrend |
| 05:52.57 | Amarande | I'll probably get to 77 at least somewhat earlier in Northrend than most folks do |
| 05:53.27 | Codayus_ | Mmm, good point. |
| 05:53.57 | Codayus_ | If you stick with it and do all of outlands...hmm, not sure what level you'll end up, but it'll be pretty high. |
| 05:56.50 | Code | ebay'd G15 v1 just arrived ! |
| 05:57.14 | Gngsk | how much you pay for it? |
| 05:57.29 | Code | 75+15 shipping |
| 05:57.29 | bleeter | Nom-: get me the statement of claim! https://www.comcourts.gov.au/public/esearch/file_details/Federal/P/NSD1802/2008 ;) |
| 05:57.42 | Gngsk | about retail? |
| 05:57.43 | bleeter | the USB cable on my G15 original broke off the other day |
| 05:57.56 | Code | yeah, that's good considering they're out of manufacture now... |
| 05:58.08 | bleeter | haven't got around to rewiring it, tried using an seperate USB cable... didn't work was a little disappointed |
| 05:58.08 | Codayus_ | What's nifty about the V1? |
| 05:58.12 | Code | it's defintely a beast on your desktop, but good tactile response |
| 05:58.24 | bleeter | more G keys, and I feel a more responsive set of keys |
| 05:58.39 | Code | v1 has 18 physical macro keys vs 6 in v2 (both have 3-modes tho) |
| 05:58.46 | bleeter | the LCD display's not backlit but meh I only ever used it to check my BG queue progression |
| 05:58.58 | Gngsk | if you can fit it on your desk it's worth it |
| 05:59.00 | Kraps | blood or unholy? |
| 05:59.31 | Codayus_ | Kraps: For what? :-) |
| 05:59.37 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:59.38 | Gngsk | i had to order a totally seperate keyboard tray to fit my v1 but it's worth it |
| 05:59.42 | Kraps | soloing |
| 06:00.11 | Codayus_ | Kraps: Either is good. Blood has heals. Unholy has some speed increases, a pet, and slightly better AoE. I'd lean towards Unholy. |
| 06:00.25 | Codayus_ | But both are *very* good, so its mostly personal preference. Different playstyles. |
| 06:00.27 | WobWork | unholy |
| 06:00.33 | WobWork | for instancing |
| 06:00.37 | WobWork | but for soloing, yeah |
| 06:00.41 | WobWork | your choice =) |
| 06:00.53 | WobWork | frost is apparently better for single target tanking |
| 06:00.58 | WobWork | unholy for aoe tanking |
| 06:01.06 | WobWork | and blood is somewhere in the middle there |
| 06:01.07 | Codayus_ | ...that's still under debate. |
| 06:01.25 | WobWork | but for sheer sustainability, blood is good for the questing and grinding |
| 06:01.45 | WobWork | due to ridiculous amount of self heal =) |
| 06:01.57 | Codayus_ | Unholy has the single best tanking mitigation talent, which helps its case... And Frost has some good AoE threat so... *shrug* |
| 06:02.01 | Amarande | I've been going with frost on Melamorea for the time being |
| 06:02.07 | WobWork | Codayus_: yeah, I've yet to play with a -good- frost tank |
| 06:02.42 | WobWork | possibly because people don't quite understand what a spell rotation is =P |
| 06:02.43 | Amarande | Wob, remember that a very small percentage of players were invited to the beta |
| 06:02.46 | Codayus_ | Right now I think the onlything solid is "don't go blood to tank raid bosses", and "don't DW unless you really understand what your doing" |
| 06:02.51 | WobWork | Amarande: pft, I never played in the beta |
| 06:03.05 | Kraps | Dancing Rune Weapon doesnt seem useful though |
| 06:03.06 | WobWork | and I still outdamage just about everyone I've encountered |
| 06:03.15 | Amarande | Wob: Right now, the vast majority of Death Knight players, no matter how much they've read up on them on EJ and the like, have had at most a week's actual experience with the class |
| 06:03.22 | Codayus_ | Kraps: Scales GREAT, but poor base damage. Gargoyle > DRW unless your really geared. |
| 06:03.25 | WobWork | I was on par with some level 70s last night |
| 06:03.32 | WobWork | when doing a UBRS run |
| 06:03.33 | Kraps | if i skip it, i can get corpde explosion :) |
| 06:03.49 | WobWork | hehe that's such a gimmick spell =) |
| 06:03.50 | Kraps | corpse |
| 06:03.50 | WobWork | but fun =) |
| 06:03.51 | Codayus_ | Corpse explosion is...very cool, very iconic, very Death Knight ish. |
| 06:03.54 | Amarande | icy touch, plague strike, blood strike, death strike |
| 06:04.00 | WobWork | double the blood strike |
| 06:04.01 | Codayus_ | ...it'd be nice if it was GOOD too. |
| 06:04.01 | Amarande | insert death coil when RP permits |
| 06:04.11 | WobWork | it, ps, bs bs ds ds, dc dc |
| 06:04.39 | Codayus_ | (Two BS to get you two death runes for an extra UF ability via Reaping or equivalent talent.) |
| 06:04.48 | WobWork | insert d&d/bloodboil for tanking help |
| 06:05.35 | Codayus_ | I'm loving DK mechanics after...I dunno how many years of playing a priest. Not planning on changing mains, but... |
| 06:06.02 | Nom- | bleeter: I don't think we have that luxury in Australia (free access to court documents) |
| 06:06.05 | Amarande | DK is making me actually enjoy melee dps |
| 06:06.12 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 06:06.16 | Nom- | bleeter: Even though I work there, I don't really have access to any more info about the case than you do :) |
| 06:06.28 | Amarande | before, I mostly hated melee other than my prot pally |
| 06:06.37 | WobWork | not having a mana bar and being able to do what we can makes it fun =) |
| 06:07.00 | WobWork | since we're only ever time/gcd starved, never rage/mana starved |
| 06:07.07 | Codayus_ | Yeah |
| 06:07.16 | Kraps | i just want to melee on my dk. having 1 tank is complicated enough |
| 06:07.33 | Codayus_ | Runes come back fast, but there's a lot more to managing them than energy... |
| 06:07.50 | Codayus_ | Can't just spam sinister strike and hope for the best. :0p |
| 06:09.44 | Amarande | and I can rather understand the ret pallies' QQing now, though |
| 06:10.20 | Amarande | I mean, here we are, able to go on and on and on like the Energizer bunny, half the boards are full of complaints saying we need to be nerfed, and there they are running oom just doing normal rotations. |
| 06:10.43 | Kraps | i love tanking, but managing 2 sets of gear is nerve-wracking |
| 06:10.47 | Amarande | heh, alliance are attacking the Undead starting area |
| 06:12.08 | Kraps | where does death grip fit into the rotation? |
| 06:12.13 | Kraps | KIDDING |
| 06:12.54 | Nom- | heh... ret got a bit of a raw deal compared to death knights, but it's a bloody fun class in PvE |
| 06:13.09 | Nom- | as long as they don't nerf it any more... already getting OWNED by casters...mages espeically |
| 06:13.21 | Nom- | primarily arcane mages of course |
| 06:16.57 | Codayus_ | *nod* |
| 06:17.11 | Codayus_ | It is kind of funny though, Ret is supposed to be this weird plate/melee/caster hybrid. |
| 06:17.17 | Codayus_ | And it's never quite seemed to work. |
| 06:17.22 | Codayus_ | And then Bliz adds DKs. |
| 06:17.31 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:17.36 | Nom- | the dps of some with the utility of none |
| 06:17.41 | Nom- | :P |
| 06:17.59 | Nom- | DK is just... too much |
| 06:18.00 | Kraps | they're the ultimate twink class! |
| 06:18.03 | Nom- | They're the anti-caster melee |
| 06:18.14 | Nom- | Paladin is the anti-nothing melee |
| 06:18.49 | Codayus_ | The saving grace though is class should matter a lot less in Wrath than TBC. Hopefully. We'll see. Bliz certainly seems to be aiming for a situation where just because your spec is 2% less efficient you can still get into raids... |
| 06:19.20 | Codayus_ | (For PvE, I have no idea what the PvP situation is like. Don't care either.) :-D |
| 06:19.28 | Nom- | PvE is fine for ret |
| 06:19.34 | Nom- | PvP is where the massive letdown is |
| 06:19.40 | Codayus_ | Hmmm |
| 06:20.02 | Codayus_ | Probably exacerbated by the fact that since Ret was ONLY viable in pvp for so long, it's attracted a lot of players who are pvp focused. |
| 06:20.27 | Nom- | Ret wasn't really viable in PvP for all of TBC |
| 06:20.30 | Nom- | Not for anything serious |
| 06:20.36 | Amarande | Dang, Araj is weaksauce |
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| 06:21.15 | Codayus_ | True enough |
| 06:21.25 | Nom- | Ret was viable in Wrath beta... but the only reason for that was because they could burst down *anyone* before the opening stun wore off |
| 06:21.26 | Amarande | it's like he wasn't even elite |
| 06:21.31 | Nom- | It was basically a guaranteed kill every minute |
| 06:21.50 | Amarande | Codayus: that thing about spec and raids is a good thing |
| 06:22.02 | Amarande | especially when one notes the fact that it's absolutely impossible to balance everything perfectly |
| 06:22.28 | Nom- | As long as I get to raid as ret, i'm happy to lose PvP |
| 06:22.38 | Amarande | "everything just so" has its place in things like single player RPGs |
| 06:22.42 | Amarande | but not really in games like WoW |
| 06:22.46 | Nom- | Actually, I'm thinking prot for pvp |
| 06:23.05 | Amarande | when you make "everything just so" required, you get BS like Absolute Virtue who still hasn't been beaten legitimately that I know of |
| 06:23.05 | Nom- | prot pallies put out some scary burst with the right gear |
| 06:25.51 | Amarande | wow, more than halfway to 63 now and I still haven't started the winterspring quests yet |
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| 06:28.23 | Kraps | sad that your dk gear gets replaced right away in outland |
| 06:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | "right away"? *blink* most of that stuff will last until mid 60s |
| 06:35.12 | Kraps | depends what stats you want |
| 06:35.20 | Amarande | yeah, especially if you don't even go to outland till almost mid 60s :) |
| 06:36.06 | Kraps | why would you not go at 58? :) |
| 06:36.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: >.> that's.. stupid. |
| 06:36.59 | Amarande | well, first of all, there's the matter of grinding your gathering profession to 300 before going to outland |
| 06:37.07 | Kraps | meh |
| 06:37.12 | Amarande | there's the fact that the only sane way to do this is to combine it with the exploration achievements |
| 06:37.29 | Amarande | which sets you on the road to wanting to explore every last corner of azeroth before you move on |
| 06:37.52 | Amarande | in any case, it means you're probably exploring silithus, plaguelands and/or winterspring |
| 06:37.59 | Amarande | and if you're exploring them, why not quest them? |
| 06:38.09 | Amarande | there's enough xp with those 4 to easily get to 63 |
| 06:38.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't know about you, but I can grind to 300 with any gathering profession without hitting plaguelands or silithus |
| 06:38.43 | NightHawkTheSane | winterspring might be neccessary, only because there's a shitton of thorium there |
| 06:38.50 | Amarande | besides, there's some things I just plain do on everyone |
| 06:39.01 | Amarande | it used to be I got to 61 doing them, now the exp nerf means I get to 62-63 |
| 06:39.22 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: small thorium? |
| 06:39.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: both |
| 06:41.05 | Kraps | thanks, i need to level mining on my main, and its causing physical pain :/ |
| 06:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. 330 health and 13 spell power vs .47 spell crit. |
| 06:44.08 | Shirik | Hm |
| 06:44.15 | Shirik | I'm debugging this function that isn't displaying what it should display |
| 06:44.19 | Shirik | and I come to this section of the code |
| 06:44.24 | Shirik | -- Finally go through and display all of these! |
| 06:44.24 | Shirik | end |
| 06:44.29 | Amarande | I think when I leveled mining on my warlock I mostly ran laps around Burning Steppes over and over, though |
| 06:44.42 | Amarande | Then again, this was also back on Turalyon, where absolutely no one but me really ever visited the zone :| |
| 06:45.12 | Amarande | And before I became disheartened about the area by falling into The Rut. |
| 06:46.54 | Amarande | I probably told you about that rut, though |
| 06:47.13 | Amarande | basically, be mindful of it, unless you are a death knight or mage or your hearthstone is up :) |
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| 06:49.59 | Shirik | lua> return ipairs{} |
| 06:50.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x806b008, table: 0x80980c8, 0 |
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| 07:13.01 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_112008_085326.jpg :) |
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| 07:20.10 | NightHawkTheSane | grats. |
| 07:22.08 | mikma | took me long enough :( |
| 07:22.17 | NightHawkTheSane | I only got 80 this morning, so.. |
| 07:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | and just finished off the northrend dungeonmaster achievement this evening >.> |
| 07:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | nothing like running level 80 instances with a me (80 ele shaman), a 77 prot war, 78 holy priest, 77 ret pally, and 75 hunter |
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| 07:24.24 | mikma | couple of typos i noticed in Northrend quests and so on: |
| 07:24.26 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_111508_215957.jpg |
| 07:24.30 | Thunder_Child | mikma, your name is fail |
| 07:24.33 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_111908_230619.jpg |
| 07:24.45 | mikma | also, any way to fix THIS?!?!? http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_111608_213632.jpg |
| 07:24.51 | mikma | it's driving me insane god damnit |
| 07:25.08 | mikma | my name rules |
| 07:25.13 | mikma | ask wobin when you see him |
| 07:25.29 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 07:26.05 | MentalPower | mikma: what exactly do you want fixed there? |
| 07:26.19 | mikma | also, here's something that happened 2 times: http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_111908_054053.jpg |
| 07:26.25 | krka | Death by snu snu! |
| 07:26.28 | mikma | see? krka gets it. |
| 07:26.56 | mikma | mentalpower: take a wild guess |
| 07:26.58 | krka | i wish i did! |
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| 07:38.25 | mikma | nsfs http://kuvaton.com/bshit/cheerleading.png |
| 07:40.06 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:40.38 | krka | ... for sanity? |
| 07:42.19 | Corrodias | i enjoy it |
| 07:44.31 | mikma | ~nsfs |
| 07:44.32 | purl | well, nsfs is not safe for shirik |
| 07:45.06 | mikma | laggy purl is laggy |
| 07:45.07 | Corrodias | purl is the source of so much wisdom |
| 07:45.23 | Shirik | laggy purl? |
| 07:45.30 | Shirik | (02:44:03) (mikma) ~nsfs |
| 07:45.30 | Shirik | (02:44:03) (purl) well, nsfs is not safe for shirik |
| 07:45.33 | Shirik | laggy mikma imo |
| 07:46.26 | mikma | on me it took 30sec to arrive |
| 07:46.45 | Corrodias | at least you seem to have caught up now |
| 07:46.56 | Corrodias | a lag bubble |
| 07:47.18 | Corrodias | i haven't seen actual server or individual lag on IRC in so many years |
| 07:47.49 | Corrodias | i remember people would be trying to participate in a conversation but be as much as... i want to say 30 minutes behind |
| 07:48.24 | Corrodias | that would definitely be the upper end, and seems a bit much. 5-10, more commonly. |
| 07:52.50 | krka | i have purl on ignore, for sanity reasons |
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| 07:54.59 | abyx | what is the best way to detect if the player gets a killing blow with the new COMBAT_LOG_EVENT? |
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| 08:31.19 | Nom- | abyx: Pretty sure there's a killing blow event... otherwise you could look for an overkill amount of dps |
| 08:31.19 | Nom- | damage |
| 08:33.15 | abyx | there was a killing blow event pre 2.4 but now it's been chucked out for the new COMBAT_LOG_EVENT that pretty much includes everything combat log event-wise |
| 08:34.24 | Nom- | so look for an overkill amount then ? |
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| 08:35.34 | Corrodias | don't take this as criticism of your effort, but i wonder why anybody would care who gets the last hit on something in WoW |
| 08:36.03 | abyx | i was thinking about that... it would work. but how would i detect whether or not the thing killed was an NPC or not? |
| 08:37.48 | abyx | ah I found my answer. it's in the destGUID |
| 08:44.15 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGyziabBogk Battlestar Office-ica |
| 08:44.57 | NightHawkTheSane | and.. the natural opposite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXTGd1Sab-w |
| 08:52.44 | bleeter | huzzah! official MontyPython Youtube!! http://au.youtube.com/user/MontyPython |
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| 10:09.13 | abyx | how can i check to make sure that the destGUID that is return from COMBAT_LOG_EVENT is another playable character and not an NPC? i can't figure it out :| |
| 10:22.36 | Quezacolt | abyx: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 10:22.54 | Quezacolt | Under "Base Parameters" |
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| 10:36.02 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/19/funny-pictures-as-a-kittenand-raised-by-wild-seals/ |
| 10:40.25 | zenzio | "Was that the tingling of buyer's remorse? Did I just buy the Sega Dreamcast of rings?" o_O |
| 10:45.56 | clad|sleep | dreamcast rox! |
| 10:49.03 | cladhaire | How am I supposed to get into Acherus? |
| 10:49.17 | cladhaire | The portal in Death's Breach doesn't seem to be working.. |
| 10:49.28 | cladhaire | Oh, Gryphons |
| 10:49.30 | cladhaire | gotcha :P |
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| 12:24.07 | pompy_ | which is the closest flight path that connects to dalaran |
| 12:24.37 | foxlit | define "close" |
| 12:24.59 | pompy_ | well i have venomspite but when im in dalaran and try to fly it says i have no connected fps |
| 12:25.23 | pompy_ | just whatever will let me fly there lol |
| 12:25.59 | foxlit | the wrath gate base in dragonblight? |
| 12:26.25 | pompy_ | maybe, dont think ive been there yet, im ni dragonblight right nwo so ill try to find that |
| 12:26.51 | foxlit | Try wyrmrest |
| 12:27.00 | pompy_ | the temple? |
| 12:27.08 | foxlit | yes. |
| 12:27.11 | foxlit | Also, see http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Interactive_Northrend_Map |
| 12:27.14 | pompy_ | ah yeah i think thats it |
| 12:27.30 | pompy_ | yeah im lookin at http://mapwow.com/northrend/ but its kinda weird |
| 12:29.09 | ZorbaTHut | mapwow.com has at least a few inaccuracies |
| 12:29.17 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't trust it |
| 12:29.40 | ReAn | what's wrong w/ the interactive map? |
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| 12:30.01 | ZorbaTHut | on mapwow? it's missing at two flight paths that I personally have used |
| 12:30.05 | ReAn | no |
| 12:30.07 | ReAn | on wowwiki |
| 12:30.13 | ReAn | <--- wrote it |
| 12:30.16 | ReAn | er |
| 12:30.18 | ReAn | wotlkwiki |
| 12:30.20 | ReAn | sorry |
| 12:30.22 | ZorbaTHut | ah, I dunno about that one |
| 12:30.31 | ReAn | i just saw the link and some problem |
| 12:30.37 | pompy_ | no |
| 12:30.42 | pompy_ | not wit that |
| 12:30.47 | ReAn | ah |
| 12:30.50 | pompy_ | with mapwow is the problem |
| 12:30.57 | pompy_ | im liking the wotlkwiki one |
| 12:31.09 | ZorbaTHut | rean, "ammo venders"? "vendors" ;) |
| 12:31.24 | ReAn | i will fix that |
| 12:31.27 | ReAn | i didn't populate it |
| 12:31.30 | ReAn | i just programmed it |
| 12:31.33 | ZorbaTHut | other than that, looks pretty nice though |
| 12:31.38 | ReAn | i will remember to smack azri |
| 12:34.31 | pompy_ | ReAn: wuts the diff between the yellow and red lines? neutral and horde paths? |
| 12:35.31 | ReAn | yellow = neutral |
| 12:35.34 | ReAn | red = horde |
| 12:35.38 | ReAn | blue = alliance |
| 12:35.53 | Nom- | world server crashes are fun |
| 12:38.06 | pompy_ | ReAn: thought so, thanks |
| 12:38.19 | ReAn | let me know if anything is out of place |
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| 12:57.07 | bleeter | ooh, someone's reverse engineering Vent for Linux |
| 12:57.15 | bleeter | http://ventinux.net |
| 12:59.02 | haste | wasn't this tried once before? |
| 13:01.35 | bleeter | probably, this guy sounds like he's close to something slightly working atm, he's talking about already having a CLI UI client real soon |
| 13:02.06 | bleeter | *talking on the Wine AppDB entry page |
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| 13:19.43 | foxlit | as in the client? |
| 13:20.19 | haste | the server already runs on linux |
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| 13:38.04 | Shirik | batrick: batbot is being extremely slow today. What's the deal? |
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| 13:45.01 | bcsbcs | Greetings, after looking around quite a bit with no luck is their an easy way to test if a variable is numeric? |
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| 13:46.05 | cbreak | http://gofigureactionfigures.com/product5604.html |
| 13:46.15 | cbreak | you can do that bcsbcs. |
| 13:46.37 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak? |
| 13:46.37 | cbreak | you are in Lua or in C? |
| 13:46.44 | bcsbcs | lua |
| 13:46.55 | cbreak | you can use tonumber and check if the return is nil |
| 13:47.00 | cbreak | if it's not nil, it's a number |
| 13:47.11 | bcsbcs | ah great :) thanks kindly |
| 13:47.24 | cbreak | Lopeppeppy: it's batbot! :) |
| 13:47.29 | krka | numeric or a number? |
| 13:47.29 | krka | type(x) == "number" |
| 13:48.10 | cbreak | well, tonumber would also say it's a number if it's a string that represents a number |
| 13:48.17 | cbreak | if you don't want that, type is better. |
| 13:48.49 | krka | if it's a string that can be converted to a number :) |
| 13:49.05 | cbreak | yeah. |
| 13:49.09 | krka | like 0xff |
| 13:49.17 | bcsbcs | hmm ill take a peak at both, just want to use a slash command to change delay timer of a addon that autoinvites mywifes characters so i just want to make sure before I assign the value on the slash command that its actually a valid number |
| 13:49.27 | cbreak | like "123412", but unlike "onethousandandfourtyseven" |
| 13:49.43 | cbreak | from slash commands you will only get strings |
| 13:49.55 | cbreak | never numbers, so tonumber is needed |
| 13:50.24 | krka | note that tonumber accepts "0x123" |
| 13:50.32 | krka | you may want to use pattern matching also |
| 13:51.07 | bcsbcs | ah ok, ive really only dabbled with the lua stuff but have done programming quite a while ago, and im rusty to say the least :) |
| 13:51.42 | cbreak | pattern matching is nice for parsing input |
| 13:54.04 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html has many good pointers |
| 13:55.03 | bcsbcs | thankies, just taking a peak at that now |
| 13:57.01 | Shirik | generally the first parameter of every C function in Lua is a pointer, cbreak |
| 13:57.16 | cbreak | yes :) |
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| 14:07.01 | Shirik | lua> log(64)/log(2) |
| 14:07.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'log' (a nil value) |
| 14:07.09 | Shirik | lua> log = math.log; log(64)/log(2) |
| 14:07.09 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '/' |
| 14:07.12 | Shirik | omg |
| 14:07.15 | Shirik | lua> log = math.log; return log(64)/log(2) |
| 14:07.16 | lua_bot | Shirik: 6 |
| 14:07.27 | Shirik | could have done that faster on my fingers by that point :( |
| 14:08.09 | Legorol | Shirik, you seriously needed a calculator to tell you that 64 is the 6th power? |
| 14:08.17 | Shirik | I just woke up :( |
| 14:08.21 | bcsbcs | Thanks for the tonumber suggestion, worked perfectly for my needs:) |
| 14:08.25 | Legorol | shame on you, you don't know your 2-times table! |
| 14:08.28 | Shirik | it's faster to type than to count on my fingers |
| 14:08.34 | Shirik | I know it, but I have to count fingers |
| 14:08.37 | Legorol | that's troue |
| 14:08.46 | Shirik | except when you get errors twice... |
| 14:09.00 | krka | i dont even have 64 fingers! |
| 14:09.06 | Shirik | no >< but you have 10 |
| 14:09.17 | krka | no, not even then |
| 14:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | You get errors counting your fingers? |
| 14:09.28 | Shirik | 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024 |
| 14:09.33 | Shirik | that's all your fingers |
| 14:09.42 | Legorol | you didn't even need fingers for this though.. just hands |
| 14:09.53 | Legorol | i'm sure you can recall that 256 is 2^8 |
| 14:09.59 | Legorol | so count backwards with your hands: |
| 14:10.03 | Legorol | 1-hand: 256/2 = 128 |
| 14:10.08 | Legorol | 2-hand: 128/2 |
| 14:10.19 | Shirik | too hard >< I like computers to do the math for m |
| 14:10.20 | Shirik | me |
| 14:10.35 | Legorol | fair enough, after all that's what they are for.. to act as dumb computing machines |
| 14:10.43 | Legorol | running games and videos is just fluff |
| 14:10.44 | Shirik | what they were invented for, after all |
| 14:11.04 | Legorol | or to look at it another way: running games and videos is just doing dumb computations as well ;-) |
| 14:11.32 | Legorol | just some smart people figured out a way for dumb calculators doing lots of numbercrunching for it to be meaningful to humans |
| 14:11.36 | Legorol | quite a thought, isn't it |
| 14:11.50 | Shirik | when you get down to the hardware leve, all it is is 0 or 1 + 0 or 1 over and over again |
| 14:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | 3 fingers! |
| 14:12.01 | Legorol | indeed |
| 14:12.13 | Legorol | it's scary how far you can get when you digitize your life |
| 14:12.28 | Legorol | social interactions, work, media, games etc. all just 1s and 0s |
| 14:12.42 | Legorol | sometimes when I think about this, it feels to me like I live in a scifi |
| 14:13.25 | Shirik | Maybe it all works like this only because we are part of some bigger project that we are of yet unaware |
| 14:13.28 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 14:13.40 | Legorol | fancy that, Shirik |
| 14:13.49 | Legorol | but we actually caused this ourselves |
| 14:13.52 | Legorol | we are digitizing ourselves |
| 14:13.57 | cbreak | yeah.... we're a "Virtual Universe" screensaver on some alien's computer... |
| 14:14.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:14.16 | Legorol | don't even need the aliens for that, that's the scary part, we are doing it to ourselves |
| 14:14.24 | Shirik | is true |
| 14:14.25 | Legorol | we are digitizing more and more of our own lives |
| 14:14.48 | cbreak | digitizing my life only took a few mins. I must have had little of it... :) |
| 14:14.55 | Legorol | heck, you can lead a perfectly normal life nowadays where the only physical interactions you need are a place to live, eat, sleep and exercise |
| 14:15.13 | Legorol | the rest of your life can be conducted in a digital medium, including work, entertainment, socialising, money etc. |
| 14:15.23 | Shirik | exercise is necessary? |
| 14:15.29 | Legorol | yes |
| 14:15.44 | Legorol | 'tis the one of the few things a computer can't do for you yet |
| 14:15.58 | Legorol | (in addition to eat and sleep) |
| 14:15.59 | cbreak | it's not really neccessary... |
| 14:16.20 | Legorol | i thin i'm using a broader definition of exercise than you are thinking of |
| 14:16.31 | Legorol | i'm not necessarily thinking of going to the gym or running for an hour |
| 14:16.34 | cbreak | oh... "exercising"... |
| 14:16.57 | Legorol | i'm thinking of physical bodily functions that keep your muscles from becoming athrophied |
| 14:17.12 | Legorol | walking around your room is sufficient for that, although it doesn't giv eyou a long life span |
| 14:18.31 | cbreak | most people don't die lack of muscles |
| 14:18.44 | Shirik | I probably will |
| 14:18.56 | Lopeppeppy | Computers can TOO do exercise for you. *grin* |
| 14:18.59 | cbreak | I would say cooking yourself is much better for your health than some exercising |
| 14:19.16 | cbreak | (real food, not fast food microwave crap) |
| 14:19.23 | Legorol | cbreak, you'd be surprised how many die due to heart attack.. which is a screwup in the functioning of your heart muscles ;-) |
| 14:19.24 | bcsbcs | cooking yourself? jumping in a pot? |
| 14:19.32 | bcsbcs | doesnt sound too healthy to me |
| 14:19.39 | cbreak | ask the japanese |
| 14:20.10 | cbreak | Legorol: you can't train your heart muscles |
| 14:20.24 | cbreak | they are a different type of muscle from the ones in your legs and arms |
| 14:20.36 | cbreak | most heart attacks come from clogged arteries. |
| 14:20.40 | Legorol | bottom line: take care of your body IRL, and you can take care of your mind on the intarwebz |
| 14:20.44 | cbreak | (afaik... I was bad in medicin) |
| 14:21.18 | Legorol | you are right aobut heart muscles of course, heart attack isn't really a weakening of those muscles |
| 14:21.31 | Legorol | you are right about the healthy food too |
| 14:21.53 | Legorol | i was trying to make a not too precise generic statement about the marvels of modern life |
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| 14:23.18 | Shirik | 6.4.3 Effective Access Time and Hit Ratio |
| 14:23.26 | Shirik | It then goes on to show how to calculate Effective Access Time |
| 14:23.38 | Shirik | Of course, the homework problem is a hit ratio problem that is nowhere to be found in the book |
| 14:27.20 | Shirik | lua> 3*(51-8) |
| 14:27.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 129 |
| 14:28.33 | krka | seriously, why use a public irc channel as your personal calculator? |
| 14:28.43 | Shirik | eh, bad idea I guess |
| 14:28.55 | alestane | You can just PM lua_bot, can't you? |
| 14:29.02 | Shirik | yes |
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| 14:38.21 | AbsoRayne | Anyone elses server just plagued with annoying amounts of Goldspam, too? |
| 14:38.34 | cogwheel | aye |
| 14:38.40 | Semhirage | we started getting some lately, but it vanishes pretty quick |
| 14:38.54 | Shirik | PMs or chat? |
| 14:39.04 | cogwheel | trade chat mostly for me |
| 14:39.04 | Semhirage | trade chat only so far |
| 14:39.07 | AbsoRayne | Both, actually |
| 14:39.10 | AbsoRayne | on mine |
| 14:39.10 | Shirik | I mostly ignore that |
| 14:39.11 | AbsoRayne | :/ |
| 14:39.14 | pompy_ | AbsoRayne: ,mhm |
| 14:39.16 | Shirik | PMs I haven't been getting |
| 14:39.26 | pompy_ | general chat in the cities was spammed |
| 14:39.29 | AbsoRayne | Prime time, all you see is gold spam |
| 14:39.34 | Carepolice | I really don't spent much time in major cities since few months |
| 14:40.03 | pompy_ | i heard the wrathgate quest chain is kickass lol. |
| 14:40.05 | Carepolice | But, we have some 'attacks' of corpses on C'Thun (Crueldad-EU) |
| 14:40.28 | Carepolice | we had* |
| 14:42.34 | AbsoRayne | Wow, ive seen one node since ive started |
| 14:42.36 | AbsoRayne | :/ |
| 14:42.48 | AbsoRayne | not titanium, just one in general |
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| 14:56.48 | AbsoRayne | Curious, what are Titansteel Bars going for on your guys' servers? |
| 14:59.30 | pompy_ | ill let you know whenever i visit an ah lol |
| 15:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't looked, to be honest. |
| 15:04.57 | AbsoRayne | 20 Titanium Ore, 60 Saronite...thats a good haul for now I suppose... |
| 15:06.16 | cogwheel | morning peppy |
| 15:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, cogwheel. Happy Thorsdai. |
| 15:07.02 | alestane | Have a spear and magic helmet. |
| 15:07.11 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 15:07.27 | cogwheel | i'll take the hammer, thanks |
| 15:08.04 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
| 15:08.53 | Lopeppeppy | Pet frames. Can you point me toward where to even *look* to enable them? I'm sooo pitbull illiterate, and I stared at those options forever. |
| 15:08.57 | alestane | Her party pet frames aren't showing up in some version of your UI. You'll have to see her for details. |
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| 15:09.23 | AbsoRayne | Lite, right? |
| 15:09.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 15:09.41 | AbsoRayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.51 | Lopeppeppy | Extra Units. |
| 15:09.54 | Lopeppeppy | Of course. |
| 15:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 15:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, AbsoRayne. I stared at those options forever, expecting a main entry like Party, Raid, Party Pets... :) |
| 15:10.25 | AbsoRayne | :P np hun |
| 15:10.52 | AbsoRayne | ok, time to stop putting it off, need to upload Boxes and make sure it installs right for people |
| 15:11.04 | Lopeppeppy | Since the 'gator tanks, I like to be able to see it's happy stats, so when it gets unhappy I can laugh and throw shadow spells at it. Er, I mean heal it! |
| 15:11.42 | alestane | If I see you serving crocolisk gumbo in IF any time soon we are going to have words. |
| 15:11.46 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
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| 15:12.30 | Lopeppeppy | Told you I was gonna make him into stew if he peeved one more orc.... |
| 15:13.20 | AbsoRayne | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&n=Absolutrayne Tasty HPz! |
| 15:13.59 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: >:[ |
| 15:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | Skeeery. |
| 15:14.14 | Shirik | actually, I guess you're on par with our tank |
| 15:14.27 | Shirik | so I take it back, except that you're a nightelf |
| 15:15.24 | Lopeppeppy | Night elves have wobbly ears. |
| 15:15.27 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: Dodge pre Naxx isnt fun to come by, ill take what I can get |
| 15:17.46 | AbsoRayne | It seems like Hit / Expertise is more easy to come by, which bothers me. :/ |
| 15:18.10 | Lopeppeppy | Is Dodge supposed to come from crafted/PvP gear? |
| 15:18.22 | AbsoRayne | PvP gear? O_o im not wearing any pvp gear |
| 15:18.31 | AbsoRayne | and no its not in the titansteel stuff |
| 15:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | Just thinking, if Bliz didn't put it on quest rewards or drops, did they put it on PvP or crafted? *gentle shrug* |
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| 15:25.31 | AbsoRayne | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42643 I want to get this made |
| 15:25.43 | AbsoRayne | but people are charging an arm and a leg for the Dragons' eyes |
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| 15:51.16 | bcsbcs | could someone please point me at a good but basic guide to creating a ui frame that will also be able to trigger the onload() Function |
| 15:52.54 | bcsbcs | up till now ive just been using the createframe command as my addon hasnt needed a frontend but as im slowly understanding things in lua more i would like to conform to best practices for the xml |
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| 16:28.40 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.44 | Industrial | wonder if it will work |
| 16:29.04 | Industrial | storm, earth and fire is a weste then :\ |
| 16:29.29 | Lyn | burst burst burst |
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| 16:35.01 | erikd | shirik: are you around? |
| 16:35.13 | erikd | he wouldn't be because he's not here! |
| 16:35.15 | erikd | >< |
| 16:39.45 | Gnarfoz | clad|away: I know it's not really your problem, but: have you by any chance had a look at MonkeyQuest (2.9, from curse.com; the 3.0 alpha is from 2007 and unfinished + unusable) - because it's one of those mods that the LH conflict reporting thingy detects as interfering with LH... and it's written in some ancient dialect that I can't really figure out ;O |
| 16:42.30 | alestane | bleeter, kd3 or any other Linux people: I recently installed Fedora 8 on a machine (I'm stuck with 8 for this), and while the installer said it was successful, when I boot it stops at a screen that says "GRUB" and appears unresponsive. Any idea what I need to fix? |
| 16:47.50 | erikd | sounds like grub was installed into the MBR pointing to the wrong disk for the config |
| 16:47.58 | Industrial | Lyn: well i guess storm, earth and fire is nice for te flame shock dot damage if you have the flame shock glyph |
| 16:48.21 | alestane | Okay...how can I fix it? |
| 16:48.28 | erikd | LILO used to have something where each letter that it displayed meant something specific but i don't know if GRUB does, lemme check |
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| 16:53.09 | erikd | alestane: did you install grub to the mbr or to a specific drive? |
| 16:55.01 | alestane | I thought I installed it to the MBR? |
| 16:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You can do either, it's tricky |
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| 16:55.40 | alestane | I'm not a complete n00b when it comes to Linux, but I haven't had to troubleshoot much yet. |
| 16:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | GRUB is one of those things that is tricky to fix when broke and it's never very descriptive |
| 16:57.12 | alestane | I was wiping the drive out to use it entirely for this installation, so I'm pretty sure I chose the MBR. I remember it asking me. |
| 16:57.28 | alestane | Am I better off doing a full reinstall? |
| 16:57.48 | erikd | what scythe saide :) |
| 16:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not. The boot record is almost entirely independant of the core install |
| 16:57.50 | erikd | well |
| 16:58.03 | erikd | you could try booting into the installation disc's rescue mode |
| 16:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You can pop in a boot CD and fix the MBR. What "fix" consists of is the real question |
| 16:58.11 | erikd | that might allow you to rewrite grub to the mbr |
| 16:58.38 | Legorol | go hardcore and use a hex editor to directly edit the MBR |
| 16:58.40 | erikd | i'm not finding anything helpful with just "GRUB" showing |
| 16:58.43 | Legorol | those were the days... |
| 16:59.09 | Legorol | changing the partition type field in the MBR manually was always fun |
| 16:59.28 | alestane | Can a standard Live CD do what I'll probably need it to? |
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| 16:59.50 | erikd | speaking of linux... has anyone used Arch Linux? I'm setting up a linode and I don't want to use ubuntu because the mysql package has a bug that causes 100% cpu usage |
| 17:00.01 | erikd | i don't want to use debian because i want something current |
| 17:00.09 | krka | you can compile your own mysql? |
| 17:00.11 | krka | or use another mysql repository |
| 17:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: debian unstable is perfectly current |
| 17:00.33 | erikd | i've been bitten by unstable before, though =/ |
| 17:00.38 | erikd | it's hosed my system |
| 17:00.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And you'll be bitten by -any- "current" distro |
| 17:01.10 | erikd | as ubuntu's proven, i'll be bitten by a "stable" one too :P |
| 17:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, because to be honest |
| 17:01.24 | erikd | krka: i'm being lazy |
| 17:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't RHEL or debian stable :P |
| 17:01.46 | erikd | i was thinking of doing centos 5 but i loathe rpm |
| 17:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | With that said arch is good stuff, I know many people who love it |
| 17:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Why do you loathe RPM? You don't ever deal with it |
| 17:02.02 | erikd | maybe i'll give arch a go then |
| 17:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | "yum install mysql" tada |
| 17:02.11 | erikd | i have to deal with it at work every day |
| 17:02.19 | erikd | ok, rpm based distros :) |
| 17:02.33 | erikd | what do you run on your linode? |
| 17:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | centos |
| 17:03.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never had any issues with it in terms of package issues |
| 17:04.23 | erikd | the "sysadmin" here is in love with opensuse and has it installed on our servers that use linux, i regularly have problems with yum on there =/ |
| 17:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Cent has been nice to me on every box I've tried |
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| 17:14.51 | mikma | What do you think of the new Sylvanas model? |
| 17:14.52 | mikma | I personally like the new model much better than the Night Elf that we had but we are getting a new custom built model which looks amazing. |
| 17:14.58 | mikma | is niiiiiiiice |
| 17:15.49 | erikd | i think it looks great |
| 17:17.37 | erikd | http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z266/ocweeklycrew/Janine/IMG_3588.jpg |
| 17:18.22 | mikma | eww |
| 17:18.56 | cogwheel | the fruitiness is painful: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/cogfruit.jpg |
| 17:19.46 | Lyn | Industrial, mh? i dont play my shammy anymore :) |
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| 17:20.27 | Industrial | Lyn: boo |
| 17:20.33 | Lyn | :) |
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| 17:21.19 | Industrial | i have trouble getting it into my rotation |
| 17:21.47 | mikma | heh |
| 17:21.49 | Industrial | cause if i cast burst THEn shock apparently the burst doesnt think shock is on my target (but it is my the time burst hits) and ti doesnt crit |
| 17:21.52 | Industrial | which is fail |
| 17:22.31 | mikma | lyn: lederhosen! http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_112008_085326.jpg |
| 17:22.42 | Industrial | if i cast shock right after burst hits (with eg a lb in between) ill have most damage from the shock |
| 17:22.46 | Industrial | HMM :P |
| 17:23.15 | Industrial | mikma: nice :) im only 75 |
| 17:23.29 | mikma | now it's time to level my dk |
| 17:23.49 | Industrial | not time to raid? :P |
| 17:23.53 | mikma | nope |
| 17:24.02 | mikma | not planning on raiding |
| 17:24.02 | Industrial | ah k |
| 17:24.13 | Lyn | mikma, :OOO |
| 17:24.26 | Lyn | mikma, ia m 76 now with my dead boy :o |
| 17:24.33 | Lyn | erm 751 |
| 17:24.52 | Lyn | 1/2 |
| 17:25.48 | Lyn | Industrial, i dont think that you have to fklame shock everytime for lavaburst in a rotation... but dunno, not thought about that (100% crit is awesome, but dunno) |
| 17:27.26 | Lyn | mikma, ah forgot: grats! ;) |
| 17:27.30 | erikd | nevcairiel: are you around? |
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| 17:29.20 | Ithato | to programmatically toggle windowed mode, is it as simple as setting the gxWindow cvar to either 1/0 and calling RestartGX()? |
| 17:29.21 | Industrial | Lyn: well maybe not every time, with the glyph burst doesnt consume flameshock |
| 17:30.29 | mikma | in Mac, press CMD+M :D |
| 17:31.24 | Industrial | mikma: "programatically" |
| 17:32.04 | mikma | so what's cmd+m then? magic? |
| 17:32.25 | Industrial | mikma: retard? |
| 17:32.26 | Industrial | WITH LUA |
| 17:32.32 | krka | Industrial: Whenever someone writes Lua in upper case, god kills a kitten. :( :-D |
| 17:32.37 | Lyn | Industrial, i mean i have atm 35% crit with full haste gear XD |
| 17:32.49 | mikma | industrial: he never specified the lua part :) |
| 17:32.50 | Industrial | Lyn: level and your crit will go down the drain |
| 17:32.54 | Lyn | ;)) |
| 17:32.59 | Industrial | mikma: fail. |
| 17:33.03 | Lyn | but you still have ~10% passive through skills |
| 17:33.06 | Lyn | *talents |
| 17:33.08 | Industrial | ive got 16%crit wtf :| |
| 17:33.11 | Lyn | xD |
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| 17:33.15 | Lyn | and glyph with 2 |
| 17:33.21 | Lyn | % |
| 17:33.33 | Lyn | i have glyph with 2% crit when flametongue weapon is active |
| 17:33.36 | Lyn | its pron! |
| 17:33.37 | Ithato | mikma: saying programatically, to me, means i want to do it by lua |
| 17:33.53 | mikma | ithato: and i said that you can do it in mac with cmd+m |
| 17:34.09 | Industrial | Ithato: just ignore him :P |
| 17:34.21 | mikma | that's what industrial does when he goes emo too |
| 17:34.27 | Ithato | mikma: not what i asked, and not really relevant if i'm not playing on a mac |
| 17:34.43 | mikma | oh i have an idea |
| 17:34.49 | mikma | why won't you go and try it out |
| 17:34.57 | mikma | (the thing you said earlier) |
| 17:35.25 | Ithato | snarky mikma is snarky |
| 17:35.34 | AbsoRayne | Heroic Gundrak, sucks |
| 17:35.36 | AbsoRayne | bad |
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| 17:42.52 | Duman | really? |
| 17:42.55 | Duman | I love it in normal mode |
| 17:43.05 | Duman | what makes heroic suck balls? |
| 17:43.22 | Duman | <- clearly not 80 yet on any of his toons |
| 17:44.29 | cbreak | I remember the first heroic I did |
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| 17:44.39 | cbreak | our tank got twoshot by the first boss |
| 17:44.59 | cbreak | and he tanked up to Naxx level before the first big reset. |
| 17:45.07 | cbreak | But after some weeks gearing up it was easy |
| 17:45.53 | alestane | WTF, are the spammers hitting pastey.net now? |
| 17:45.59 | Duman | eew |
| 17:49.36 | duaiwe | *sigh* |
| 17:50.06 | NightHawkTheSane | the "Sewer Stew" quest is borked for horde. Was this borked on beta too? |
| 17:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy? |
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| 17:59.52 | Cralor` | Hey guys. Question here ^_^: I have this script on a checkbox: rmlock:SetScript('OnClick', function(self) RuneMover_Lock(self:GetChecked()) end) |
| 18:00.00 | Cralor` | and in the _Lock function i have this: |
| 18:00.11 | Cralor` | function RuneMover_Lock(checked) |
| 18:00.20 | Cralor` | with : runes[i]:SetMovable(checked) runes[i]:EnableMouse(checked) inside |
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| 18:00.42 | Cralor` | this should work, right? |
| 18:01.00 | Ithato | well, if it does it would do the opposite of what you'd expect |
| 18:01.14 | Ithato | calling RuneMover_Lock(true) would actually make the runes movable, not stationary |
| 18:01.37 | Ithato | that seems counter-intuitive to me |
| 18:01.55 | Cralor` | that's how i had it. but i guess your right i should switch it around |
| 18:02.23 | Cralor` | actualyl no, i have it to "Unlock Runes" if checked |
| 18:02.45 | Cralor` | i want to leave it that way |
| 18:02.52 | Ithato | then maybe rename the function to RuneMover_Unlock |
| 18:03.06 | Cralor` | well i just named it as dealing with unlock/lock |
| 18:03.09 | Ithato | code wise there's no difference but to someone reading it that behavior would seem odd |
| 18:03.50 | Cralor` | it deals with both locking and unlocking. but the script itself. i wanted to make sure it looked right. because it doesn't work. |
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| 18:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | ~pounce shirik |
| 18:04.16 | purl | ACTION jumps on shirik and bounces around Tigger style |
| 18:05.27 | Nerinia | Hey everybody! Can someone confirm that the GameTooltip:SetScript("OnTooltipSetAchievement", ...) script ist not working? Here's my code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102300 |
| 18:05.41 | Shirik | hi, I'm not really here |
| 18:07.20 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, the punchline for today's irregular webcomic is great: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ |
| 18:08.08 | Ithato | Cralor`: i would try making the RuneMover_Lock work without an argument and just toggle the state within the function, because that self:GetChecked() sounds fishy to me |
| 18:08.58 | Ithato | NightHawkTheSane: i laughed, bad pun tho it is |
| 18:09.30 | Cralor` | Ithato: alright. i will try it out |
| 18:12.23 | alestane | Something about that strip eludes me, although I feel like it's on the tip of my tongue. |
| 18:12.53 | Corr-work | i totally don't understand the strip, even a little bit |
| 18:13.15 | Corr-work | such art does not interest me and i've never learned much about it |
| 18:13.50 | NightHawkTheSane | you don't actually need to understand much to get that particular joke. :P |
| 18:14.01 | Ithato | alestane: http://www.abc.net.au/myfavouritealbum/albumart/img/bollocks.jpg |
| 18:15.04 | Corr-work | i totally don't get it anyway. are pastels inherently funny? |
| 18:15.31 | Corr-work | what is that image? |
| 18:16.35 | Ithato | Corr-work: an heirloom from earlier, happier days |
| 18:16.45 | alestane | Ah, so my art background is utterly useless unless I recognize the source for the pun...got it. |
| 18:17.05 | Corr-work | well, okay, you can be cryptic and nostalgic about it if you want. i'm just going to move on, maybe do some work or something. |
| 18:17.35 | Ithato | Corr-work: the final panel of the comic is a pun off of the album name depicted in the jpg |
| 18:18.13 | Corr-work | i get that it's a pun, but i don't recognize this... album cover, i suppose it is? |
| 18:18.27 | Corr-work | i'm not sure what "album art" means |
| 18:18.39 | Corr-work | i assume it appears on the record/disc/track somewhere |
| 18:19.07 | Ithato | the cover |
| 18:19.26 | Corr-work | cool. from what year? |
| 18:19.33 | Ithato | 1977 =P |
| 18:19.33 | NightHawkTheSane | you REALLY don't know what "Album art" is? have you been.. under a rock for the past half a century? |
| 18:20.51 | Corr-work | i haven't paid for a physical copy of music data in at least 10 years, except maybe one or two game soundtracks |
| 18:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | neither have i, but that doesn't mean i don't understand the underlying concept of 'album art' |
| 18:21.33 | Corr-work | i'm REALLY not hip to how the music industry works and what it calls its products |
| 18:22.39 | Ithato | it's just the same as the cover of a book, it's meant to entice you and draw you in, and is another great way for the artist(s) in question to express themselves |
| 18:22.44 | Corr-work | i get the joke now, and i understand what the image was. i just didn't recognize it. |
| 18:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not some arcane music industry jargon here. it's a base descriptive term. you understand what 'art' is, you understand what 'album' is. PUT THE TWO TOGETHER |
| 18:23.28 | Corr-work | the art on an album would be, i assume, the music |
| 18:23.34 | ccox | NightHawkTheSane: yes, that is funny, assuming you have any knowledge of punk history |
| 18:23.36 | Corr-work | the primary art, anyway |
| 18:23.58 | Ithato | Corr-work: then perhaps "album artwork" would've been clearer for you |
| 18:24.43 | Corr-work | maybe i was being intentionally dense because i dislike obscure puns |
| 18:24.43 | Cralor` | Ithato: I changed it to no avail: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102303 |
| 18:24.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: yeah, i'm not going to argue the particular pun is a little on the obscure side, but that's the same for most of the comic's jokes, really ;) |
| 18:25.15 | Ithato | i thought it was clever if a little forced |
| 18:25.17 | ccox | it's not that obscure, unless you're under 20, over 60, or have been living in a cave for the past 30 years |
| 18:25.31 | Corr-work | told you, i live in a cave |
| 18:26.04 | Ithato | ccox: yes and no. i'm 22 and it came immediately to mind, and i am not a huge fan of the older school of punk. i just respect the history of my favorite genre :-) |
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| 18:26.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: well, if you're not really into punk and/or music in general, it might be somewhat obscure. |
| 18:26.44 | Corr-work | <troll> Is that like Weezer and Greenday? </troll> |
| 18:27.18 | Ithato | heh |
| 18:27.21 | ccox | <troll>No, because both bands would have gotten the joke</troll> |
| 18:27.36 | Ithato | I'm not sure Weezer can really be categorized |
| 18:27.37 | NightHawkTheSane | personally, I love the sex pistols, but that's me. |
| 18:28.13 | Ithato | Greenday is about as punk as Avril Lavigne, though. Which is to say, "very commercially/artificially so". |
| 18:28.56 | alestane | I never would have gotten it because I can't see something like that without hearing it in my head, and "six pastels" has basically the opposite intonation from "Sex Pistols". |
| 18:29.54 | Lopeppeppy | It's all in the cheezy accents you use, alestane. |
| 18:30.50 | ccox | most people got it at |
| 18:31.01 | ccox | most people got it at "never mind the pollocks" |
| 18:35.21 | alestane | Still not familiar with the album art, so associations were my only hope. I am not the person the pun was for. |
| 18:36.16 | alestane | DUSTY! |
| 18:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom. |
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| 18:37.42 | mib_sts6b7 | ~hug Peppy |
| 18:37.43 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Peppy and suddenly hugs Peppy tightly |
| 18:38.07 | cladhaire | Gnarfoz: probabably a non-issue |
| 18:38.14 | cladhaire | Gnarfoz: I can give you code to test if you'd like |
| 18:38.45 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: sure (regardless of what you mean by that ;D) |
| 18:39.21 | cladhaire | do /run hooksecurefun("SelectQuestLogEntry", function() print("SelectQuestLogEntry") end) |
| 18:39.31 | cladhaire | if it print in your chat frame over and over again, there is a problem :P |
| 18:39.34 | bcsbcs | could someone please adivise me of a good xml editor for wow UI editing/creation or are they best done by hand anyway? |
| 18:39.44 | Corr-work | so who are the Bollocks? |
| 18:40.34 | ccox | ok, alestane check: do you at least get http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2061.html |
| 18:42.43 | alestane | I get the reference, although the humor is a little thin. |
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| 18:43.15 | Ithato | Corr-work: Bollocks is an english word used like "bullshit", but that's not what it supposedly means |
| 18:44.50 | Corr-work | supposedly? o.o |
| 18:45.43 | Ithato | googling define:bollocks says it actually means "testicles" |
| 18:45.59 | Ithato | which leads me to believe that the English are thoroughly insane. |
| 18:46.24 | Corr-work | well, i guess you'll get no argument from me |
| 18:46.43 | Corr-work | "sex pistols" as a name does sound irreparably british |
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| 18:49.23 | erikd | centos has a weird way of naming some packages |
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| 18:50.30 | Ithato | wouldn't that then mean that RHEL has a weird way of naming packages? |
| 18:51.22 | erikd | yes, it does :) |
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| 19:12.07 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 19:12.18 | Lopeppeppy | STATION! |
| 19:13.08 | Industrial | TRAIN |
| 19:13.57 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Kirwan |
| 19:14.12 | Lunessa | Peppy! *HUGS* |
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| 19:14.25 | Lopeppeppy | Not sure the name won't change, but he's there physically. |
| 19:14.46 | Lunessa | :D Sweet. I r building guild site nao. |
| 19:16.26 | Lunessa | http://www.groundingtotem.com |
| 19:17.35 | Jelly-School | I LOVE YOU TOO PEPPY |
| 19:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, I just saw you log off. *confused* |
| 19:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | Needs more cowbell, IMO. |
| 19:19.14 | Jelly-School | My desktop at home |
| 19:19.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: nice name. nice site. |
| 19:20.16 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Thanks. WoWStead offers very nice templates, and I'm getting lazy in my old age. |
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| 19:27.04 | Jelly-School | Lunessa: I also agree with the nice site statement. :) |
| 19:27.30 | cogwheel | amagad! a friend of mine came across Specialist Cogwheel and DIDN'T insist it was me... |
| 19:27.49 | Lunessa | Thanks, Jelly-School. |
| 19:27.57 | Jelly-School | http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org-haley-joel-makes-bway-debut-american-buffalo-ap <-- that poor bastard will /never/ actually grow up, will he? Baby face to the end! |
| 19:28.04 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Obviously it's not you! She has boobies. |
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| 19:28.21 | Jelly-School | lewl |
| 19:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: they were just trying to spare your feelings |
| 19:29.17 | cogwheel | i has boobies... they're at home on my wife but i has dem! |
| 19:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | You do NOT has dem. |
| 19:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | She has dem. |
| 19:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | You rents them. |
| 19:29.20 | Lopeppeppy | Or leases them, as the case may be. But she retains original ownership! |
| 19:30.05 | cogwheel | i has a desk at work... it's not mine but i has it... |
| 19:30.07 | Jelly-School | What is she signs them over? WHAT THEN? |
| 19:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | If Mrs. wants to sign her boobies, then she can make a lot of money in fandom? |
| 19:31.10 | cogwheel | besides... i'm not exactly Shirik ... o sorta has my own too :( |
| 19:31.18 | cogwheel | s/ o / I / |
| 19:31.34 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 19:31.41 | Jelly-School | Join us in the delusional club, Cog. |
| 19:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You're skinney |
| 19:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | *skinny |
| 19:31.59 | Jelly-School | Or ... denial, whichever it may be. |
| 19:32.12 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you are skinny and do not suffer from need to describe yourself in cogwheel's terms. |
| 19:32.29 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, you're tall and stocky. Rawr in your own way, so don't go hating on your shape. |
| 19:32.48 | Jelly-School | I wanna be rawr! |
| 19:33.16 | Lunessa | cogwheel is most assuredly not chunky-monkey. That's me. |
| 19:33.43 | Jelly-School | I'll be karmel sutra |
| 19:33.53 | cogwheel | Lunessa: and my mom in law won't let you forget it! |
| 19:34.00 | Shirik | I'm trying to do an iteration wrap-up |
| 19:34.01 | Jelly-School | ...except, I'm pretty "white" |
| 19:34.05 | Shirik | I can't make sense of this crazy talk :P |
| 19:34.07 | Lunessa | srsly. |
| 19:34.26 | Jelly-School | I'm ... getting ready to own some poor girl in my sociology class in a debate. |
| 19:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Jelly! |
| 19:35.23 | Jelly-School | "Survey research is an effective way to study human subjects." |
| 19:35.32 | Lopeppeppy | "No f'ing way". |
| 19:36.30 | Jelly-School | I have to argue that that statement is true which to a degree, I believe but ... regardless, I'm going to go into it full believing it and ready to pull massive amounts LULZ to toss her way. |
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| 19:37.08 | Jelly-School | (different subject) So I'm listening to techno/house/whatever genre and the song goes off ... and some kid is singing to his table across the room. |
| 19:37.18 | Jelly-School | Seriously? EAT HERE, DON'T SING. |
| 19:37.41 | Lopeppeppy | "Observation changes behavior. Subjects perform for cameras and observers, but left alone with a paper and pencil, that performance aspect is removed." |
| 19:38.08 | kd3 | oh wow. sweet |
| 19:38.09 | Tekkub | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/reallifecomics/comic/~3/459323416/081120.html |
| 19:38.09 | Jelly-School | That's essentiallyon one of my note cards. |
| 19:38.15 | ccox | not if they know their results will be read or checked |
| 19:38.19 | kd3 | lock summons create an instance summoning stone now |
| 19:38.23 | Jelly-School | I only have to talk for 2 minutes, then 1 minute to rebut |
| 19:38.30 | kd3 | only 1 soul shard instead of 20 |
| 19:38.48 | Hirsute | kd3: Nice! |
| 19:38.53 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, sexy as hell! |
| 19:38.56 | kd3 | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6971877221&sid=1 |
| 19:38.58 | Lopeppeppy | Duration... 5 minutes? |
| 19:39.06 | kd3 | ya |
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| 19:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy |
| 19:40.59 | Jelly-School | Sweet. Reason for jackoffs to actually take the summon instead of being line "ZOMG SUMMON ME LAST (in 10 seconds)!" They have a time-frame. Do leik. |
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| 19:42.24 | Hirsute | Love that it only took about 4 posts for someone to start the QQ. |
| 19:44.16 | Lunessa | sexy indeed. |
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| 19:54.28 | Jelly-School | k guys. take care. going to turn off the lappy to own this girl's face |
| 19:54.42 | Corr-work | that sounds... titillating. |
| 19:55.05 | AbsoRayne | god damnit |
| 19:55.18 | AbsoRayne | doesnt it figure that my wife finally gets highspeed, and now it wont work? :/ |
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| 19:55.42 | Lopeppeppy | Why not? |
| 19:55.59 | foxlit | damn you, blizzard, damn you |
| 19:56.12 | foxlit | Your free server migrations removed the lengthy log in queues to ED. |
| 19:56.21 | foxlit | Now I'm oh-so-tempted to not do this probability prep :/ |
| 19:57.05 | duaiwe | it's a good thing you're not weak, and won't succumb to temptation! |
| 19:57.51 | mikma | tekkub: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_112008_215646.jpg |
| 19:58.15 | bleeter | alestane: pong. did you get it fixed? grab your install media, boot into rescue mode. let it do it's thing (follow the prompts) up to the point it offers to search for existing partitions. SKIP that part, and it'll then drop to your rescue shell. |
| 19:58.21 | Tekkub | rawr |
| 19:58.27 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:58.35 | Tekkub | I still need to get mine |
| 19:58.44 | Tekkub | but urge to get to Dally == nil |
| 20:00.36 | alestane | bleeter: Can I do the same thing with a live CD? My install media is a DVD and the drive in that machine is a little flaky. I can swap it out with a drive borrowed from another machine but that's a hassle. |
| 20:00.42 | bleeter | alestane: make a test mount directory in /tmp, eg /tmp/mounts and use 'mount -o ro' to mount the drive and to ensure you know (a) the boot drive (b) the partition that has /boot on it. let's say you confirm it's /dev/sda for the boot drive, sda2 for the /boot partition. unmount the ro drive, then 'grub-install /dev/sda && grub-install /dev/sda2 && reboot'. should get yer drub working easy enough again |
| 20:01.18 | Tekkub | everyone knows mnt was moved to /char/pets |
| 20:01.30 | alestane | I used a very default install. |
| 20:01.33 | bleeter | alestane: dunno, ain't looked at the live CD options, but I'd be surprised if there's not a rescue kernel. personally, I use the netinstall disc as rescue disc. 'tis smaller and stuff |
| 20:01.42 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: I like to think of myself thus: If I asked you where the nearest Gym was or the nearest Krispy Kreme, neither would surprise you ;) |
| 20:01.55 | bleeter | ~lart Tekkub |
| 20:01.55 | purl | raises middle finger to Tekkub |
| 20:02.01 | bleeter | whoa |
| 20:02.03 | bleeter | that's harsh |
| 20:02.30 | Tekkub | fuck purl |
| 20:02.30 | Amarande | gah, speaking of changes in system design |
| 20:02.36 | Lunessa | foxlit: FYI, upgraded to beta 7 and my issues seem resolved. |
| 20:02.43 | Amarande | apparently, they almost don't make dvd drives in beige face anymore. :| |
| 20:02.49 | Amarande | and one of my DVD drives apparently has bit the dust |
| 20:02.50 | foxlit | Lunessa: which issues? |
| 20:02.59 | bleeter | alestane: anyway, basically 'grub-install' is your shell wrapper friend to the nastiness that is grub |
| 20:03.24 | Lunessa | foxlit: I couldn't raid mark using OPie. |
| 20:03.29 | bleeter | alestane: and it's typically just quicker to put it back on as the first diagnostic test |
| 20:03.35 | Corr-work | i remember when i dual-booted with windows 98 or something and linux, and a windows defragment trashed the linux stuff, i swear it happened. the bootloaded was GRUB and it reverted to text mode. |
| 20:03.49 | Corr-work | i had to look up the commands to make it boot. that was weird. |
| 20:04.08 | NightHawkTheSane | what a rip, i can't skin stormpeak hatchlings :\ |
| 20:04.53 | bleeter | foxlit: while I'm at it, curse you too for not having travel form on all druid rings |
| 20:05.02 | mikma | [22:04:00] [GEN] [Dknico]: use wow matrix and update your addons |
| 20:05.05 | foxlit | bleeter: oh, it's on there :P |
| 20:05.07 | bleeter | 'time to run away... oh fuck' |
| 20:05.25 | bleeter | hmm, I had bird bear and cat... /shrug |
| 20:05.28 | foxlit | And you actually should be able to use if it in combat-fuckable situation :) |
| 20:05.30 | bleeter | will look again sometime |
| 20:05.46 | foxlit | the bird changes depending on what would give you the most speed at the moment |
| 20:05.59 | bleeter | the bird appears in NR when I don't have cold weather flying :/ |
| 20:06.19 | foxlit | Blame [flyable] |
| 20:06.27 | Amarande | bleeter: "time to run away..." "YOU HAVE BEEN DAZED" |
| 20:06.38 | Amarande | at least, that's what usually happens in wow when you ever find the need to run :P |
| 20:06.51 | bleeter | nah, I prefer to blame lack of check of (if in NR and not lvl 77....) |
| 20:07.06 | Amarande | bleeter: isn't there a direct check for owning the cold weather flying skill? |
| 20:07.08 | bleeter | :P |
| 20:07.10 | Amarande | you still have to buy it, even at 77 |
| 20:07.31 | foxlit | There's no good check for being in northrend, however. |
| 20:07.59 | bleeter | I thought there was a check for which continent you're on. maybe I'm misremembering some gatherer stuff. |
| 20:08.16 | foxlit | bleeter: you can get the current world map continent. |
| 20:08.42 | mikma | dear lord |
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| 20:08.53 | foxlit | which would work in a hackish way if you were to... flash the map over to current zone, then keep a localization table around for all the various names for northrend. |
| 20:09.10 | bleeter | ugh, fair enough |
| 20:09.21 | bleeter | ok then, I take back the cusses I said to my guildies ;) |
| 20:09.30 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: er.. you can just to GetCurrentMapContinent() == 4 |
| 20:09.37 | mikma | trying to tell people in general not to use wow matrix is almost the same as pasting http://gunthernet.com in here |
| 20:09.38 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: not localization safe, iirc. |
| 20:09.45 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: granted, you obviously have to set the map to your current location first.. |
| 20:09.56 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever used wow matrix |
| 20:10.00 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: er... why not? |
| 20:10.08 | foxlit | Zone indices aren't, for example. |
| 20:10.11 | Amarande | I check wowi first, if it's not there, I check curse, if it's still not there and it's ace, I check wowace |
| 20:10.17 | NightHawkTheSane | that's.. silly. |
| 20:10.20 | Hirsute | Aye, people will insist on being jerks. |
| 20:10.24 | bleeter | mikma: I had a very good chat on launch night with the store manager where I was buying, and he let me stand up and give a little speech about wowmatrix and incgamers before he let anyone buy =)) |
| 20:10.31 | foxlit | They tend to be sorted alphabetically based on client locale; continents may be different, of course. |
| 20:10.40 | mikma | bleeter: wow nice one :D |
| 20:11.01 | mikma | people don't care about addons, copyrights, and admins of wowi apparently :P |
| 20:11.13 | mikma | they just say "i don't care, just as long wow matrix works" |
| 20:11.17 | foxlit | That's in no way surprising :) |
| 20:11.21 | Corr-work | what is wowmatrix? |
| 20:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: Well, looking at the enUS return of GetMapContinents(), it's certainly not sorted alphabetically |
| 20:11.37 | bleeter | well, I seemed to convince about one hundred Tasmanians, and about 20 didn't use addons... so it was a success :) |
| 20:12.17 | foxlit | "I've been considering switching from Windows to Ubunto recently" << hilarious opening |
| 20:12.45 | Corr-work | smirk |
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| 20:14.15 | mikma | i so hope they find a way to block wowmatrix in all sites ^^ |
| 20:14.37 | Corr-work | what is it? :( |
| 20:14.37 | alestane | foxlit: http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 20:15.09 | foxlit | I've had guildmates contemplating switching to ubuntu from XP. |
| 20:15.21 | mikma | ~wowmatrix |
| 20:15.23 | bleeter | Corr-work: it's an addon manager that 'bypasses' any page-impression ad based revenue that an addon author might use |
| 20:15.32 | Tekkub | it's fun to contemplate, not so fun to actually do |
| 20:15.35 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 20:15.45 | Remaxer|PT | Whats the problem with wowmatrix? |
| 20:15.46 | Corr-work | interesting, interesting... |
| 20:15.55 | Tekkub | the problem is they have their own ads |
| 20:15.56 | mikma | corr-work: http://www.wowmatrix.com/ |
| 20:15.57 | foxlit | bleeter: any actual authors getting any actual ad revenue? :) |
| 20:16.05 | Tekkub | so they make money of other people's bandwidth |
| 20:16.13 | Remaxer|PT | Ahh its about the ads |
| 20:16.16 | Remaxer|PT | lol |
| 20:16.22 | alestane | And expenses. |
| 20:16.47 | bleeter | Corr-work: consequently, the addon authors pay for bandwidth for wowmatrix, wowmatrix get their ad revenue for their own site, and the authors have to pay for the bandwidth out of their own pockets |
| 20:16.49 | Corr-work | indeed, internet service is not free |
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| 20:16.54 | Tem|work | boo |
| 20:16.56 | Hirsute | Remaxer|PT: Basically? They make money off of other people's bandwidth, don't compensate the authors for that leeched bandwidth, don't respect addon authors wishes not to have their addons updated via WoWMatrix, and basically give addon authors an UFIA |
| 20:16.57 | Tem|work | stupid home client |
| 20:17.18 | Tem|work | when I ghost you, you're supposed to go back to using the primary nick |
| 20:17.23 | bleeter | not just ad revenue, too, it also bypasses any 'halp i'm poor plz donate!!' pleas |
| 20:17.27 | Amarande | Hirsute: you know, on the one hand, I understand the financial and respect issues |
| 20:17.30 | Amarande | and yet, from a technical standpoint |
| 20:17.44 | Amarande | wasn't the web -designed- to allow pretty much any information to be directly and efficiently linked? |
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| 20:18.05 | Corr-work | i really don't know what the intentions of the first web designers were |
| 20:18.05 | foxlit | weren't guns designed to kill people? :) |
| 20:18.06 | Tekkub | linked, i.e. you can get to the source easy |
| 20:18.07 | Amarande | it's like the whole bandwidth leeching/theft thing is pretty much an indictment of the web itself on charges of being designed in a disrespectful manner |
| 20:18.23 | Amarande | Corr: the intentions of the first web designers were that virtually everything should be easily linked |
| 20:18.25 | Hirsute | Amarande: linked? Sure. But someone has to pay for it. If WoWMatrix is providing a service, they ought to be the one paying for it. |
| 20:18.30 | Corr-work | so you say |
| 20:18.41 | bleeter | Amarande: the 'correct' technical solution is to formulate some kind of RFC for WoW addons for ad/donation please, each addon has it's own XML 'ad' file, and then people use that in addon managers/alternate download sites etc. |
| 20:19.01 | bleeter | but getting everyone to agree to some XML format to do this would be nigh impossible |
| 20:19.37 | Corr-work | anyway, as long as the site allows one to download via HTTP, there is no way to block a program designed to navigate the site on its own |
| 20:19.37 | Hirsute | Ultimately, what WoWMatrix does financially is bypass the people who are providing the bandwidth's attempts to recover their own costs, and make money for themselves on the side. |
| 20:19.41 | bleeter | bury the addon download inside the XML or something etc. etc. |
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| 20:20.24 | Hirsute | There is if the writer of the program is respectful of the wishes of addon authors, unfortunately WoWMatrix goes out of their way not to be. |
| 20:20.30 | Tekkub | the long and the short of it is, wowmatrix doesn't want to pay for the badwidth it uses, so everyone that IS paying for the bandwidth is going to block them |
| 20:20.40 | Tekkub | why are we rehashing this? |
| 20:20.40 | Corr-work | now, you could build your own downloader client that uses a public/private key thing to encrypt stuff |
| 20:20.45 | Tekkub | he stopped replying :P |
| 20:20.53 | Corr-work | but people using regular browsers would be left out, the noobs |
| 20:20.54 | bleeter | but you can't block them because they keep chainging their user-agent ID |
| 20:21.09 | bleeter | or if they don't, they can |
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| 20:21.52 | Amarande | so, does wowmatrix like, make its download links be to other wow sites, or do they snarf all the files off of other wow download sites and put them on theirs? |
| 20:21.54 | bleeter | only way around it is some total weirdarse olution where the addon's embedded in any financial plea/addon author's own advert info |
| 20:22.09 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: Requires Tailoring 450 |
| 20:22.11 | Tekkub | Amarande, it downloads them directly |
| 20:22.25 | Amarande | Tekkub: um |
| 20:22.32 | Tekkub | it uses no bandwidth from wowmatrix's site |
| 20:22.32 | Amarande | you mean if say I download all the addons from wowi |
| 20:22.32 | bleeter | Amarande: they scrape the addon author's websites for download links, and puts those links inside a UI with their own ads, afaik |
| 20:22.36 | Corr-work | well, i just gave a suggestion, a special WoWI Downloader client that accesses encrypted pages to download files |
| 20:22.39 | Amarande | and then I put them on my own page ... |
| 20:22.40 | Amarande | oh. |
| 20:22.46 | Corr-work | as ridiculous as that is |
| 20:22.48 | Tekkub | they don't host shit |
| 20:22.59 | Gryphen | wowmatrix also just changes tocs from my limited test |
| 20:22.59 | Hirsute | Amarande: They don't host any of the addons themselves, they let the addon authors do that, and just scrape the sites for the downloads. |
| 20:23.08 | Tekkub | their app downloads directly, without rendering the site's ads, but instead rendering their own |
| 20:23.08 | Amarande | Tekkub: so basically, if I put a link on my site "download from wowi" I'm suddenly guilty of something horrible? |
| 20:23.31 | Corr-work | depends on where the link goes |
| 20:23.36 | Amarande | see, that's where it becomes confusingly intertwined with how the web is designed |
| 20:23.38 | Hirsute | Amarande: if that link doesn't lead a user to the WoWUI page for the addon in question, yes. |
| 20:23.39 | bleeter | Gryphen: change files??? ooh, someone (who doesn't open source their addons) should go the (C) breach at them ;) |
| 20:23.40 | Tekkub | if you do that, show your own ads, and refuse to pay for the bandwidth you use in doing such (which is a lot), yes |
| 20:23.48 | Amarande | the folks at CERN who designed the web INTENDED for that to be how the web worked |
| 20:23.55 | Syzgyn | A link straight to the download would be kinda bad yes. |
| 20:24.01 | Corr-work | Amarande, the folks at CERN don't understand how money works |
| 20:24.02 | Amarande | although, granted, there were other more important concerns back then, too |
| 20:24.11 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all could just link to the discussion thread on WoWI.... |
| 20:24.17 | Corr-work | money, you see, does not grow on trees |
| 20:24.19 | Amarande | mainly, the fact that the net in general had a lot less bandwidth capacity back then |
| 20:24.28 | Tekkub | yea floppy, I don't see why we're rehashing this |
| 20:24.38 | Tekkub | the guy that brough it up isn't even part of the discussion |
| 20:24.39 | Corr-work | because nothing good is on tv |
| 20:24.41 | Remaxer|PT | If you have a site and you link to the addons INFO page then its ok...but igf you link it to the files location on the server then its not good |
| 20:24.42 | bleeter | Tekkub: 'coz Corr-work asked what wowmatrix was :P |
| 20:24.53 | Syzgyn | I don't think comparing the web as it is now to how it was designed to be is a very relevant discussion |
| 20:25.12 | Amarande | yeah, CERN's sole intent was the easy exchange of information |
| 20:25.14 | Amarande | that much is clear |
| 20:25.36 | bleeter | i thought it was 'coz they were sick and tired to paper based telephone books |
| 20:25.48 | bleeter | nothing more, nothing less ;) :P |
| 20:25.51 | Tekkub | I STILL GET THOSE FUCKING PHONE BOOKS |
| 20:26.14 | Tekkub | I've not used a phone book in a decade, stop wasting the fucking paper |
| 20:26.15 | Corr-work | the last time they delivered the big phone book, i just left it outside. i don't have room in my apartment for it. |
| 20:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | I think it was because of the bunnies. |
| 20:26.30 | Corr-work | i don't know what to do with it, but it's still in the hallway... |
| 20:26.45 | Tekkub | put it in front of someone else's door, that's what I do |
| 20:26.55 | Corr-work | maybe there's someone i can call and have them stop delivering it, or something |
| 20:27.06 | bleeter | Tekkub: that's one thing the French did do right, what with their little simple computers (can't recall their name, but cheap as hell and the phone book is 'on' it) |
| 20:27.08 | Tekkub | the delivery people are retards anyway, they left one on the stairs to the roof access door here |
| 20:27.10 | Corr-work | there has to be a law against delivering packages against someone's will |
| 20:27.10 | alestane | Amarande: If your link goes directly to the file, then you're stealing bandwidth. Content presented on your site is being delivered by someone else. If you link to the download page, then not only are you allowing them to get their own exposure to the viewer, but the viewer also gets access to the add-on's page where directions and info about the add-oon may be hosted, and where the user can easily report bugs or check for new release |
| 20:27.50 | Tekkub | bleeter, how about just have an opt-out online thing, advetise the hell out of it on TV, and save some money |
| 20:27.53 | Corr-work | is Sony involved in the music industry? |
| 20:27.59 | Corr-work | er, movie industry |
| 20:28.05 | foxlit | both |
| 20:28.12 | Tekkub | Sony is in EVERYTHING |
| 20:28.16 | bleeter | Sony's like the CIA... fingers in every pie |
| 20:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | Bunnies eat carrots. |
| 20:28.53 | Hirsute | The CIA's fingers aren't in my pie... at least, I hope not, or I just ate a bunch of fingrs. |
| 20:28.57 | bleeter | some carrots grow to look lolololol |
| 20:28.58 | Corr-work | Sony is a piece of shit, but hard to avoid. like a big shit puddle right outside your door. |
| 20:28.59 | Hirsute | *fingers |
| 20:29.20 | Lopeppeppy | Bunnies are soft and fluffy. |
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| 20:29.34 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: good for making slippers |
| 20:29.45 | Amarande | alestane: lemme guess, this is also why FTP fell by the wayside |
| 20:30.00 | alestane | That was mostly ease of use. |
| 20:30.06 | Amarande | because there was -absolutely no way- to obtain revenue, and everyone said "go to ftp.blah.com" without reservation? |
| 20:30.08 | Corr-work | i'd expect FTP became unpopular because HTTP is so much simpler |
| 20:30.22 | Amarande | actually, FTP seems it would be easier to use |
| 20:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | FTP sucks. Way too complicated for file transfer. Too many technical details inhibiting it. |
| 20:30.23 | Corr-work | technically |
| 20:30.30 | Amarande | especially when you're downloading several files at once |
| 20:30.42 | bleeter | whut? |
| 20:30.42 | Amarande | HTTP download services typically require you to load several graphics intensive pages to get access to each individual file |
| 20:30.46 | Corr-work | it's not hard to use if everything goes right, but it's a far more complex setup than http |
| 20:30.48 | alestane | But to a certain extent, the peril of running an FTP site that allows public access is that...you run up a bandwidth bill and get nothing. |
| 20:30.50 | Tekkub | FTP *should* be simpler, but it never is |
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| 20:30.54 | bleeter | there's a bajizillion linux/bsd distros that says otherwise |
| 20:30.58 | batrick | Shirik: my bot gets tired easy |
| 20:31.02 | Tekkub | the first time you fuck up CRLF you discover this... fucking CRLF |
| 20:31.04 | Corr-work | a simplistic HTTP file serving site is just as simple |
| 20:31.18 | Amarande | the only thing about FTP is that there is no real security, so it's only a good idea for anonymous archives like the gaming download sites of old |
| 20:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Um, you can TLS FTP if you please |
| 20:31.48 | Corr-work | you can have SSL on top of it to encrypt traffic and all |
| 20:31.49 | Amarande | well, that and that people at the corporate level have an aversion to it in many cases because it had worse than 'no real security' |
| 20:31.50 | Dewin | I prefer SCP or SFTP personally |
| 20:32.02 | Amarande | I remember the late nineties, when WU ftpd, the standard at the time pretty much had a root shell hole in every release |
| 20:32.13 | bleeter | don't forget shizz like up until only recently, some if not many browsers didn't ahve a clue about RESUME and http downloads |
| 20:32.22 | Amarande | and when DNS servers had root shell holes too |
| 20:32.23 | Dewin | and technically it's FTP on top of SSL not SSL on top of FTP |
| 20:32.23 | alestane | But when you invest money in providing a service to people, you either have to have money to spend, or you have to have some way to balance the expense, so almost everyone has at least a few adds. |
| 20:32.31 | bleeter | so on very big files, web browser big downloads were prone to total FAIL!!! |
| 20:32.45 | Amarande | I still remember the first and only time I tried Caldera Linux |
| 20:32.45 | Corr-work | depends on your perspective, Dewin |
| 20:33.02 | Corr-work | do you view your protocols from above or below? |
| 20:33.02 | Amarande | I went on IRC, and about ten minutes later my screen was full of spam which I recognized as greetings from a root shell hacker |
| 20:33.16 | bleeter | Corr-work: depends which hemisphere you're in ;) |
| 20:33.36 | Amarande | turned out that version of Caldera came with a version of BIND (which, apparently, was common for BIND back then) which had a root shell hole. :| |
| 20:33.41 | Corr-work | in australia, protocols spin backward |
| 20:33.50 | Amarande | and you know what the weird thing is? |
| 20:33.58 | Amarande | the stance net companies had about IRC servers |
| 20:33.59 | Corr-work | australians are weird |
| 20:34.08 | bleeter | Corr-work: no, they spin the right way here. You're backwards and upside down and behind the times!!! :P |
| 20:34.21 | Amarande | IRC! ... it uses almost no bandwidth at small user counts compared to say FTP or HTTP |
| 20:34.39 | Amarande | and it NEVER had a root shell hole (hell, most flavors of ircd don't even allow you to run them as root, they'll just complain and exit) |
| 20:34.54 | Dewin | Corr-work: If you view it the same way as the OSI model, SSL is underneath FTP :) |
| 20:34.59 | Amarande | and yet, net companies were more leery of people running that than FTP or HTTP! |
| 20:35.15 | Dewin | Though... I suppose they usually refer to it as 'tunneling', which would imply 'under' |
| 20:35.20 | Corr-work | oh you and your models and diagrams |
| 20:35.22 | Amarande | I suppose they consider DDoS a worse attack than root shells? |
| 20:35.30 | bleeter | oh my, look who invented RSYNC.. the guy who did samba. DAMN ARSSIES!!! |
| 20:35.37 | Corr-work | i got attacked by DrDOS |
| 20:35.40 | Amarande | apparently, I must not be up to date on the net industry |
| 20:35.55 | Amarande | because my logical mind always suggests that information destruction is worse than bandwidth flooding |
| 20:36.21 | Hirsute | Dewin: Well, through. |
| 20:36.29 | Dewin | Amarande: It depends. Is the cost to recreate the data (restore backup + whatever backup missed) more than the cost in bandwidth eaten by the bandwidth flood? |
| 20:36.36 | Corr-work | they twist in a double helix |
| 20:36.59 | Dewin | Usually the answer is yes if you factor in the long-term effects of the data loss/service unavailability/etc |
| 20:36.59 | Amarande | That would be me, of course. I tend to think of money at the lowest priority. |
| 20:37.02 | bleeter | foxlit: I think the problem is.. i woke up and logged in |
| 20:37.29 | Amarande | I often tend to be one of those cynics that says that the industry of foo tends to destroy whatever foo was |
| 20:37.35 | Amarande | especially when people have come to love foo |
| 20:37.39 | bcsbcs | could someone please adivise me of a good xml editor for wow UI editing/creation or are they best done by hand anyway? |
| 20:37.40 | foxlit | Amarande: good, give all of yours to me. :) |
| 20:37.44 | Amarande | I guess it comes of being a gamer who started in the 80s |
| 20:37.53 | foxlit | I think cog swears by VS. |
| 20:38.01 | cogwheel | aye |
| 20:38.02 | Dewin | Notetab++ |
| 20:38.12 | Amarande | the gaming industry has, more or less, ruined gaming with the exception of a few specific titles like Neverwinter Nights 2, WoW, the Shin Megami Tensei series and a few sundry others |
| 20:38.13 | Dewin | I used to use a program called Cooktop along time ago for XMLy stuffs |
| 20:38.16 | Tekkub | scite :P |
| 20:38.18 | cogwheel | visual studio has the best schema support i've found in a free program |
| 20:38.20 | foxlit | Personally, Textmate. |
| 20:38.22 | Dewin | err, Notepad=+ |
| 20:38.30 | foxlit | Dewin, give up. |
| 20:38.31 | Shirik | batrick: lhf and I tried a new trick today |
| 20:38.32 | Shirik | it was fun |
| 20:38.32 | Corr-work | that's an interestingn perspective, Amarande. i rather enjoy games still. |
| 20:38.36 | Amarande | aided I guess by shallow teenagers |
| 20:38.39 | Dewin | foxlit: Already done. |
| 20:38.41 | cogwheel | it'll autocomplete tags, attributes, and values |
| 20:38.43 | bleeter | bcsbcs: which OS? Win32/OSX/*nix? |
| 20:38.47 | Amarande | like my brother, who will see me playing older games and he'll be like "those graphics SUCK!" |
| 20:38.48 | cogwheel | so you pretty much don't have to remember anything |
| 20:38.52 | bcsbcs | thanks kindaly all... ill take a look at them |
| 20:38.59 | Amarande | because apparently, the graphics make the WHOLE GAME :| |
| 20:39.08 | bcsbcs | windows vista (ducks to avoid tomatos) |
| 20:39.17 | Corr-work | chess graphics SUCK |
| 20:39.25 | Corr-work | there isn't even any blood |
| 20:39.28 | Dewin | Amarande: But of course. My games should be like a hollywood movie SFX budget that does exactly as I say |
| 20:39.37 | Amarande | my reason for considering getting a widescreen monitor for WoW has little to do with the graphics and more to do with that with all the information addons I use, I need more ROOM |
| 20:39.38 | bleeter | bcsbcs: rightio, then all the above recommendations are wirthy of investigation (notepad++, Scite, Textmate) |
| 20:39.45 | bleeter | worthy |
| 20:39.58 | Amarande | though 3.0 kinda helped with that |
| 20:40.09 | Amarande | a lot of fubar addons I used still don't seem fully ready for primetime in 3.0 |
| 20:40.11 | Dewin | The one thing I don't like about my widescreen is my WoW now needs ~40% more rendering power than my wife's copy |
| 20:40.11 | Tekkub | you need to reconsider your addons then :P |
| 20:40.14 | Corr-work | hahah |
| 20:40.18 | Amarande | so I only use a few FuBar addons now |
| 20:40.31 | bcsbcs | thanks again. Ill stock up on the caffine, might be a long night |
| 20:40.33 | Amarande | locationfu, experiencefu, factionsfu, guildfu, bagfu, and moneyfu, think that's it now |
| 20:40.45 | Dewin | I dreamt about WoW UI stuff last night. It was scary. |
| 20:41.10 | Amarande | LocationFu may need an update, it's not mentioning Old Stratholme as an instance in Tanaris |
| 20:41.15 | Dewin | Scarier more that some of what I dreamed about is good stuff I should ask IRL. |
| 20:41.19 | Amarande | or is old strat still NYI? |
| 20:41.21 | Tekkub | here's my rule: how many times do I need the info in a given session? if it's like <10 times I can open the panel when I need it |
| 20:41.25 | cogwheel | bcsbcs: http://www.wowwiki.com/Setting_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML |
| 20:41.46 | Amarande | well, BagFu, GuildFu, and LocationFu are pretty much constant-need info |
| 20:42.04 | Amarande | MoneyFu I probably don't need with ArkInventory, but it's working anyway so :) |
| 20:42.10 | Dewin | Here's one: What's a good list of addons for someone who is by no means computer-literate and still fairly new to WoW, someone who's likely depending on someone else to maintain them |
| 20:42.12 | Amarande | and ExperienceFu and FactionsFu are MANDATORY, for a different reason |
| 20:42.27 | Amarande | Dewin: I'd say my list is pretty simple to use |
| 20:42.52 | Dewin | Amarande: Don't forget maintainability across patches, and the stuff least likely to break :) |
| 20:42.53 | Amarande | I've gravitated towards simpler addon sets of late actually, I think having had to reconfiggle the whole UI every major patch has pushed me that way heh |
| 20:43.26 | Dewin | lol @ thinkgeek |
| 20:43.32 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131) |
| 20:44.03 | Dewin | "enter the following code during checkout: ZOMBIETURKEY Hurry, offer expires 11/26/2008. And so does the turkey." |
| 20:44.21 | batrick | Shirik: what was that? |
| 20:44.30 | Amarande | let's see, I use ... Auctioneer & friends, ATSW, ArkInventory, Bartender4, Cartographer, eCastingBar, EBB, FuBar (with LocationFu, ExperienceFu, BagFu, MoneyFu, FactionsFu, and GuildFu), Omen, Prat, QuestGuru, Tekticles, TipTop, and X-Perl |
| 20:44.34 | Amarande | looks like that's actually it for now |
| 20:44.50 | Dewin | which Cartographer? |
| 20:44.58 | Amarande | Cartographer2 |
| 20:45.03 | Amarande | tried 3 for a while, like 2 better now though |
| 20:45.21 | bleeter | Amarande: LIES |
| 20:45.25 | Dewin | I dumped Cartographer for Mapster |
| 20:45.27 | bleeter | auctioneer has no friends |
| 20:45.29 | bleeter | :P |
| 20:45.36 | bleeter | oh, that's just me... nm |
| 20:45.41 | Amarande | bleeter: heh, easier than listing out the contents of the auctioneer suite :P |
| 20:45.46 | Dewin | Auctioneer has no friends, just addicts. |
| 20:46.05 | Amarande | I don't keep Auc updated as much as I should, though |
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| 20:46.11 | Obelixprime | aloha |
| 20:46.15 | Amarande | however, the enhanced tooltips alone are enough reason to use it |
| 20:46.16 | bleeter | I've become addicted to bankstack |
| 20:46.33 | Amarande | especially being able to know at a glance what something will DE into and the ilvl |
| 20:46.34 | bleeter | it's only issue seems to be it can't sort pages of Greenhils in numerical order |
| 20:46.36 | Obelixprime | I was curious if anyone has had success configuring the new DoTimer |
| 20:46.42 | Amarande | and which useless quest reward sells the best |
| 20:47.10 | Dewin | Amarande: I've contemplated writing an addon that would automatically highlight the most vendor-valuable quest reward |
| 20:47.23 | Dewin | Mostly unneeded for Northrend quests though I've noticed. |
| 20:47.30 | bleeter | Dewin: I think there's one that already does that |
| 20:47.42 | bleeter | *already one that... |
| 20:48.08 | Dewin | bleeter: There's probably a WoW addon to do your taxes somewhere. |
| 20:48.16 | bleeter | I wish |
| 20:48.21 | Amarande | enhanced tooltips are still useful to enchanters, jewelcrafters and scribes, anyway |
| 20:48.34 | Amarande | scribes don't have to memorize which herbs mill to what |
| 20:48.41 | Amarande | JC's can see at a glance what prospects to what |
| 20:48.44 | bleeter | Amarande: or for guildies who wish to asssit their profession friends |
| 20:49.00 | Amarande | and enchanters, especially, have a much easier time buying the right blue to get a quick large brilliant shard |
| 20:49.07 | Amarande | that was important on Turalyon, in particular |
| 20:49.36 | Corr-work | ah, resource-gathering. favorite part of wow. or least favorite, rather. |
| 20:50.09 | Corr-work | now YOU TOO can experience the life of an ore truck! |
| 20:50.23 | Amarande | On Turalyon, no one runs non-progression instances pretty much |
| 20:50.37 | Dewin | One annoying thing about inscription I've found |
| 20:50.43 | Amarande | and my enchanter is a 61 priest, who isn't strong enough to do places like scholo and strat on her own |
| 20:50.46 | Amarande | Dewin: the cost of herbs? |
| 20:51.06 | Dewin | On my low level inscriptionist, I'll be looking at a recipe and it'll say it takes X ink. |
| 20:51.06 | Amarande | combined with the fact that even if you grind herbs together with inscription, your mats supply always runs out early? |
| 20:51.18 | mikma | DK and healing your minion, possible in other way than bandage? |
| 20:51.31 | Amarande | mikma: cast death coil on your minion? :) |
| 20:51.31 | Dewin | I wish I could tell *right there* what pigment and what herbs I needed for that ink |
| 20:51.41 | Tekkub | Dewin, Panda |
| 20:51.45 | Tekkub | stop bitchin :P |
| 20:51.52 | Amarande | mikma: death coil heals friendly undead targets |
| 20:52.02 | mikma | amarande: lol :D |
| 20:52.12 | ccox | Dewin - add a feature request for enchantrix |
| 20:52.13 | mikma | amarande: thanks dude(tte) |
| 20:52.19 | ccox | Dewin: I've already got the data in there |
| 20:52.21 | Amarande | you can even use it on yourself for a quick little heal if you used lichborne first, though it doesn't seem to be enough to be very useful at least at my level |
| 20:52.43 | bleeter | Dewin: do what ccox suggested, he's the enchantrix dude :) |
| 20:52.57 | bleeter | and a top bloke he is,too ;) |
| 20:53.01 | mikma | don't have that, yet |
| 20:53.19 | Corr-work | top bloke. this should be a new title. |
| 20:53.39 | ccox | nah, my title is "chief instigator" |
| 20:53.45 | Corr-work | Top Bloke Cooldude |
| 20:53.49 | Tekkub | bollox! |
| 20:54.13 | Amarande | hmm, I still wonder how people soloed deathclasp easily with a DK |
| 20:54.29 | Amarande | when I did that quest last night, I had just enough time to blitz the elite, grab the quest item, and die :| |
| 20:54.32 | bleeter | I wish there was a 'that's not a knife' quest where you've gotta kill a mob using a quest only item that's the biggest one handed sword EVAR |
| 20:54.52 | Tekkub | now everyone can use swords |
| 20:54.56 | Tekkub | *not |
| 20:55.14 | bleeter | ok, just make it a special knife quest object :P |
| 20:55.24 | bleeter | picky picky picky :P |
| 20:55.24 | Amarande | Tekkub: ehh, they could put a universally usable flag on it |
| 20:55.31 | Amarande | Neverwinter Nights 2 did it with the quest sword |
| 20:55.37 | Dewin | bleeter: I played an MMO where one of the bosses could only be killed with a certain weapon. |
| 20:55.50 | Dewin | Which had to be stolen from him |
| 20:55.55 | Tekkub | make it an offhand frill |
| 20:55.57 | Corr-work | if i'm not mistaken, there are items that all characters can use |
| 20:56.00 | Tekkub | everyone can use them |
| 20:56.18 | Lunessa | bleeter: And it's given to you by a guy named "mick"? |
| 20:56.24 | bleeter | Lunessa: you got it ;) |
| 20:56.42 | bleeter | 'Mick Dundy' |
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| 20:56.48 | Lunessa | bleeter: And you have to rescue a blond npc while doing the quest. |
| 20:56.49 | bleeter | to avoid the (C) issues, etc. |
| 20:57.15 | cogwheel | Lunessa: the "Why won't the motd stay put" seems to be staying put... |
| 20:57.22 | bleeter | who you later marry after dumping your wife of 20 years, only a bit later on to get involved in a tax rort court case |
| 20:57.47 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I just figured out why it changes. Two of my other toons a guild leaders... |
| 20:58.08 | Amarande | Tekkub: NO |
| 20:58.14 | Amarande | I detest quests that require an offhand frill to be Used |
| 20:58.25 | Amarande | unless they're ones where you equip it then click the world object rather than have to Use the offhand frill itself |
| 20:58.42 | Amarande | those I don't mind nearly as much, and you can probably tell why :) |
| 20:58.57 | Amarande | I actually refused a quest I usually do in WPL on my death knight because of the offhand frill thing |
| 20:59.26 | Amarande | although given how late at night I was questing I guess I -could- have given it a try :S |
| 20:59.59 | Amarande | Tekkub: the basic problem with quests that require an offhand frill to be actively used (as opposed to clicking the quest item) |
| 21:00.03 | Dewin | So... does anybody know of anything that can beat Stars' Rest for the "World's Tiniest Inn" award? |
| 21:00.30 | Amarande | is that they utterly destroy the ability to get in, do the quest, and get out if that's what you need to do (e.g., the second lightbringer mark quest in WPL on horde) |
| 21:01.02 | Amarande | speaking of which, I wish there was some consistency in that |
| 21:01.12 | Amarande | quests where you have to use item X on world object Y, that is |
| 21:01.36 | Amarande | some quests require you to right-click X from inventory or equipment, some of them require you to right-click Y, and some let you get away with either, and there's no consistency |
| 21:01.39 | foxlit | And I. Want a pony. |
| 21:01.54 | Amarande | foxlit: go grind SW |
| 21:01.58 | Amarande | :) |
| 21:02.04 | Tekkub | whiner |
| 21:02.08 | foxlit | I want a patch 1.2 pony |
| 21:02.15 | Dewin | I've been very impresed with Northrend quests so far, except for "I"ve got a flying machine"... but I'm all of level 73 so I haven't seen everything yet. |
| 21:02.28 | Amarande | Tekkub: or at least, they discriminate against certain classes in that regard (DKs being one of them) |
| 21:02.45 | Lunessa | foxlit: Ask around, I'm sure lots of people will let you ride their pony. |
| 21:02.54 | bleeter | Dewin: that quest was bugged to hell and back early beta, I'm presuming they've fixed it so it doesn't DC folks anymore |
| 21:02.57 | foxlit | Lunessa: I'm sure they'll offer me candy, too. |
| 21:03.02 | Amarande | for instance, on my warlock, it was no problem to switch out my offhand (even if I had been using a staff, it would still have been no problem at that level), kill the priest guarding uther's tomb, defile uther's tomb and get out |
| 21:03.04 | Lunessa | And a ride in their van. |
| 21:03.16 | Dewin | bleeter: My wife and I both spent 5-10 minutes flying around with precisely zero quest progress. |
| 21:03.17 | foxlit | Aren't people the greatest? |
| 21:03.29 | Lunessa | I <3 people. |
| 21:03.42 | Amarande | On a DK or other 2H wielder, you get to stand around defenseless for 30 seconds while you wait for the initial cooldown on the mark of the lightbringer to finish so you can finish the quest |
| 21:03.43 | bleeter | Dewin: thus, other fixes are probably in the works, curing the mass DCs and PoV issues would've been the priority (the PoV issue was that it'd randomly go weird in directions you weren't asking to look) |
| 21:03.48 | Amarande | which means either you let the priest wail on you for 30 seconds |
| 21:04.05 | foxlit | Amarande: get a 1H sword already |
| 21:04.06 | Dewin | Also, I found a nice bug with vehicle UI vs warlock summoning |
| 21:04.14 | Amarande | or you kill the priest then stand around for 30 seconds PvP flagged with no fighting ability, and apparently, according to wowhead, engaging in combat with the priest alerts Alliance's Local Defense channel |
| 21:04.38 | Dewin | I was warlock #3 in Dalaran that was doing summons |
| 21:04.44 | Dewin | We summoned someone who presumably was in a vehicle. |
| 21:04.49 | Dewin | They were in the third slot in the party. |
| 21:04.58 | Amarande | Dewin: Vehicle came, they didn't? |
| 21:05.05 | Amarande | I know there's been some glitches with summoning since 3.0 |
| 21:05.14 | Amarande | like the one time I went with my GM into UBRS to get the jenkins achievement |
| 21:05.15 | Dewin | It broke the third party member slot in the party for everyone currently in it, even when breaking the party and reinviting. Only fix was a reloadUI |
| 21:05.26 | Shirik | so, my friend was compiling this C code. He got, by far, the best error I've ever seen |
| 21:05.31 | Amarande | he realized he had left his UBRS key in the bank |
| 21:05.39 | Dewin | For example, when a warlock happened to be in the third slot, it showed their pet, and showed the warlock as the pet's pet |
| 21:05.42 | Amarande | so he hearths, and then I (being the only lock in the group) summon him back |
| 21:05.47 | Shirik | See the highlighted line: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4a385e37e34439bcfa58258ecb06b006.JPG |
| 21:05.58 | Dewin | I was the only one able to target people to summon (since I had Grid) |
| 21:05.59 | Amarande | apparently, when he accepted summons he DC'd and had to get on an alt to petition a GM to fix it |
| 21:06.06 | Amarande | every time he tried to relog he'd just DC again |
| 21:06.09 | Dewin | Amarande: Ouch. |
| 21:06.26 | Dewin | Shirik: That's awesome. |
| 21:06.27 | Amarande | I'm not sure why, world server wasn't down since the rest of us were still in LBRS outside the UBRS door waiting for him |
| 21:06.34 | foxlit | Shirik: xkcd compiler comic |
| 21:09.17 | foxlit | http://xkcd.com/371/ |
| 21:11.37 | Amarande | foxlit: is it ever worth it for a DK to have a 1H sword? |
| 21:11.41 | Amarande | well, I guess I just found an example |
| 21:11.47 | Amarande | the thing is, I don't have any good enough 1H swords :) |
| 21:12.05 | foxlit | northrend throws them at you, there are a few in hellfire, too |
| 21:12.21 | foxlit | And, well, yes, you could play with double 1H swords :) |
| 21:12.24 | Amarande | I suppose if it was a few months from now, I could have just done the uther's tomb quest |
| 21:12.34 | Amarande | but I'm staying far away from that for a good while on all characters now |
| 21:12.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it's worth it if you want to DW... |
| 21:12.41 | Dewin | According to that comic, I had a *lot* of segfaults last night. |
| 21:12.48 | Amarande | Too many Alliance in the Plaguelands lately |
| 21:13.14 | Amarande | Night: you don't want to DW on a DK |
| 21:13.24 | Amarande | according to EJ, unless you go with that one special tri-spec spec at 80, it sucks |
| 21:13.54 | kd3 | "ACK! Oh no, I webbed myself! It's sticky. MY HAIR!" |
| 21:14.57 | Dewin | Where are those NPCs anyways? I heard a lot of you guys were.. um.. immortalized :) |
| 21:15.19 | foxlit | cog's in Zul'Drak |
| 21:15.24 | foxlit | zoot in the basin |
| 21:15.43 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: so, that code... echos several lines at a time, on like... character frame open/close, inventory open/close, etc. but I don't think it's on a timer? :\ |
| 21:15.54 | cogwheel | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=28374 http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=28284 |
| 21:16.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: meh, It my not be optimal for absurdly hardcore end game raiding |
| 21:16.22 | NightHawkTheSane | but It's good enough for everything else. |
| 21:17.15 | cladhaire | Gnarfoz: then you're fine |
| 21:17.21 | foxlit | You won't be severely disadvantaged while leveling, in either case. |
| 21:17.22 | cladhaire | but its odd to do it on chatframe open/inventory |
| 21:18.27 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: it happens really quite often :\, maybe I should put a counter in there or something? ^^ |
| 21:18.39 | cladhaire | well its just odd that its happening |
| 21:18.42 | cladhaire | its not a problem with LH |
| 21:18.44 | cladhaire | just indicative of a problem |
| 21:19.47 | Amarande | well, I'll look into it once I actually have decent 1H swords |
| 21:19.56 | cladhaire | hehe its probably not an issue |
| 21:19.56 | Amarande | hmm, is S2 still available for honor and marks at 70? |
| 21:20.03 | Amarande | and I'm assuming DKs can use S2 weapons |
| 21:20.35 | Amarande | I guess that's like 50,000 honor down the drain for leveling weapons though :S |
| 21:20.37 | foxlit | You'd level to 70 faster than get enough honor :) |
| 21:20.54 | Amarande | on the good side, it's a good opportunity to work on BG achievements |
| 21:21.13 | Amarande | are 60-69 and 61-70 still played, or deserted? |
| 21:25.22 | Amarande | maybe it's time to level up my hunter and grind her blacksmithing so she can give good swords to the DK |
| 21:29.12 | ccox | sigh, the bad part about a DK - you have to go grind professions in low level areas, or pay outragous AH prices for mats |
| 21:30.33 | Corr-work | the Economy Game |
| 21:31.35 | cogwheel | can't pay money to level herbalism |
| 21:31.37 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 21:31.55 | cogwheel | i gave up on my dk's professions for that reason |
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| 21:32.20 | Amarande | I decided to mix my herbalism grind with area exploration achievements |
| 21:32.46 | Amarande | so far I've explored all of EK except IQD, and quested the Plaguelands |
| 21:33.10 | Amarande | then I went over to Silithus as planned and quested that, still only have around 275-280 or so herbalism though |
| 21:33.37 | Amarande | ah well, I got two elemental air and two elemental earth, so my tailor mage will be mostly happy when it's time for robe of power |
| 21:33.55 | Amarande | btw, what -is- with the drop rate on elemental items, anyway? |
| 21:34.19 | Amarande | Earth and Fire items seem like they drop pretty much all the freaking time, while Air items in particular seem to hardly ever drop, other than from the ones in west Silithus |
| 21:35.04 | cogwheel | 13:32 < Amarande> I decided to mix my herbalism grind with area exploration achievements |
| 21:35.34 | cogwheel | I could've explored dun morogh and loch modan 5 times each in the time it took me to get barely over 115 herbalism |
| 21:35.56 | cogwheel | i hatehatehatehatehate grinding |
| 21:37.55 | ccox | ooh, exploring and grinding skills - not a bad combination! |
| 21:38.13 | ccox | (especially on a DK who has discovered NOTHING) |
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| 21:38.59 | Obelixprime | I was curious if anyone has had success configuring the new DoTimer and are willing to lend a hand |
| 21:39.18 | Hirsute | Would be nice if you could pay to be "trained" up to certain skill levels in a profession once your character was a certain level. |
| 21:40.15 | Nerinia | Mind if I try again? Can someone confirm that the GameTooltip:SetScript("OnTooltipSetAchievement", ...) script ist not working/firing? Here's my code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102300 |
| 21:40.19 | cogwheel | i think the first two professions you choose as a dk should be bumped to 275 like they did with first aid. Or at least the gathering professions. Or at least to 150-ish... ANYTHING but grinding |
| 21:42.18 | sacarasc | so if i roll a DK, i'll have the highest first aid skill of any of my characters? :o |
| 21:42.52 | cogwheel | do you have all healers or something? |
| 21:42.58 | cogwheel | first aid is really useful... |
| 21:45.29 | Amarande | cogwheel: I think I circled around Tirisfal till I got to about 50 then finished exploring Tirisfal and moved on to Silverpine |
| 21:45.58 | Amarande | after that I went Silverpine, Eversong, Ghostlands, Hillsbrad, Alterac, STV making sure I took every gettable herb node |
| 21:46.35 | Dewin | I still haven't found a solution to this yet >> http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=109773#post109773 /sigh |
| 21:47.23 | Amarande | STV proved a little difficult in that regard. So up to Duskwood, Westfall, Elwynn, inv was full at the time so I went back to Acherus and sold, back down to STV, finished that, then Arathi, Wetlands, dwarven areas, Swamp of Sorrows, Deadwind Pass, Blackrock areas, Redridge, inv full |
| 21:47.38 | Amarande | I think at that point all I had left for EK was IQD and the Plaguelands so I went and quested them then |
| 21:47.48 | Amarande | Plaguelands anyway, I'm not 65 to get access to IQD |
| 21:48.56 | Dewin | cogwheel: Re DK professions: I thought of a solution to that myself |
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| 21:49.31 | Amarande | I think I can think of a really neat idea regarding leveling, too |
| 21:49.34 | erikd | bleh, i'm pretty disappointed with ubuntu atm =/ |
| 21:49.37 | Amarande | Let's see. |
| 21:49.49 | Amarande | Problem the first: People complain that they can start a DK at 55 but still have to grind through the levels on other characters |
| 21:49.58 | Amarande | Problem the second: Powerleveling services are still making money |
| 21:50.03 | alestane | lua> 9 + 23 |
| 21:50.03 | lua_bot | alestane: 32 |
| 21:50.04 | Dewin | My idea: A collection of quests (you can only pick two) to 'recall' what you did for a living before you became a DK. |
| 21:50.17 | Dewin | Upon completion, you'd be bumped up to, say, 225 skill |
| 21:50.18 | Amarande | Blizzard could have some sort of paid way to get your character to 55 right away? |
| 21:50.29 | alestane | Does lua_ bot not respond to PMs? Or do they still need the lua> prefix? |
| 21:50.35 | Dewin | the latter |
| 21:50.35 | Amarande | Maybe put it in the loot cards in the next TCG set, you go to BB, hand over the code and are given the xp to ding to 55 |
| 21:50.38 | Dewin | IIRC. |
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| 21:51.10 | Shirik | rawr |
| 21:51.13 | alestane | Apparently so. |
| 21:51.15 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 21:51.29 | Amarande | of course, that idea would probably lead to horde having a lot of problems with utter noobs at 55 with no play experience or understanding of their class :| |
| 21:51.33 | alestane | I figured that if I was PMing lua_bot, it would automatically assume I was talking to it. |
| 21:51.46 | Dewin | I only wish it was that smart. |
| 21:51.49 | foxlit | "Whatever you do, DO NOT DRINK THE PUNCH!" |
| 21:52.08 | Amarande | Alliance would have easier of it because you still have to level to 20 or so to have a reasonable time getting to BB :) |
| 21:53.01 | Dewin | eh, I can probably get a lv1 toon to BB easily. |
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| 21:53.27 | Dewin | double fatigue death trick could do it. |
| 21:53.52 | Dewin | Depending on where the graveyard is in STV |
| 21:53.59 | Amarande | Dewin: BB |
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| 21:54.08 | Dewin | Then ridiculously easy ;) |
| 21:54.10 | Amarande | I know this from sad experience |
| 21:54.14 | bleeter | back pre-BC when realms were crashy, my guild would roll gnome lvl 1 alts and have nude races to BB. first there would win 10g from the guild when the main realm came back |
| 21:54.15 | Amarande | you die up by say Gurubashi Arena |
| 21:54.26 | Amarande | and you're dumped all the way back to BB graveyard :| |
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| 21:54.30 | Amarande | like, 3000 yards away |
| 21:54.49 | foxlit | Nozdormu has a lot of questions to answer :/ |
| 21:54.50 | Dewin | Make a night elf. Die. As a wisp, run all the way to ratchet, take the boat, then go to STV. Run out so far you get fatigue, die again. You can now ress at the GY you popped at the second time. |
| 21:54.52 | bleeter | spirit res cheating disqualified one from the prize |
| 21:54.56 | Corr-work | my druid died once halfway down the waterfall between felwood and... what was that place, ashenvale? |
| 21:55.23 | bleeter | Corr-work: heh, YOU NO SEE NO TROLLS TO GO VISIT |
| 21:55.26 | Amarande | Darkshore, probably |
| 21:55.30 | Corr-work | to avoid repairs, he had to run all the way around the southern edge, through azshara, up into felwood, and jump halfway down the waterfall again |
| 21:55.33 | Corr-work | darkshore, that's it |
| 21:55.44 | Amarande | I fell off Felwood once on my priest, and had to do that same damn thing :| |
| 21:55.45 | bleeter | seriously, why put them there and fly over them then get shitty when we go take a look |
| 21:55.50 | Corr-work | and by he, i mean i, i had to waste so much time |
| 21:55.54 | Dewin | yeah, Darkshore. I found that waterfall from the Felwood side for the first time fairly reason. |
| 21:56.11 | Dewin | I discovered the fatigue death trick by accident actually |
| 21:56.13 | Shirik | heh, http://members.cox.net/~delta17/scavenger.jpg |
| 21:56.23 | Amarande | I suppose I should have remembered levitate |
| 21:56.32 | Amarande | but I probably didn't have a reagent for it anyway |
| 21:56.42 | Corr-work | i should have remembered just not to fall to my death |
| 21:56.58 | Dewin | I ran a wisp all the way to silverpine forest (I was trying to see what was along the coast there), ran out and got fatigue, and poof, I'm in the undead starting area |
| 21:57.14 | Dewin | Hey, it can't be as bad as the shaman who killed himself by falling into hard water. |
| 21:57.16 | bleeter | kd3: I see .27.5-41 coming down my rsync... hmmm |
| 21:57.37 | Dewin | Water walking = you take damage upon hitting water as if it is ground. |
| 21:57.40 | alestane | Dewin: I've done that. Once. |
| 21:57.44 | Corr-work | yeah, that happens plenty of times i think |
| 21:57.55 | Corr-work | there are malicious shamans who will cast it on people as they jump at water |
| 21:58.10 | Amarande | Dewin: you mean the fact that fishing the lurker apparently REQUIRES you to be a shaman engineer, or somesuch? |
| 21:58.12 | Shirik | http://members.cox.net/~delta17/torture.jpg |
| 21:58.14 | Shirik | This guy is fun |
| 21:58.14 | Corr-work | much like the malicious priests who would give people health buffs as they jumped off the zeppelin at undercity |
| 21:58.23 | Amarande | or to be an engineer and have your raidmate be a shaman |
| 21:58.26 | Dewin | I did the quest in Howling Fjord to 'kill your inner turmoil' |
| 21:58.35 | Corr-work | our guildmates fished up the lurker plenty of times |
| 21:58.38 | Dewin | On my way back, I jumped to try to cut a little time from the return trip |
| 21:58.39 | Corr-work | i don't think it requires either... |
| 21:58.47 | Dewin | And was like "Why am I floating all the awy down the mountain" (didn't realize I got slow fall from the quest) |
| 21:58.48 | foxlit | teehee, slowfall |
| 21:58.49 | Amarande | at least, that's what I always read you need to get that achievement |
| 21:58.59 | Corr-work | what achievement? |
| 21:59.05 | Amarande | Corr: the one for fishing up the lurker |
| 21:59.13 | Corr-work | the SSC one? |
| 21:59.19 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 21:59.29 | Amarande | it said something about needing the eng slowfall item and a shaman to cast WW on you |
| 21:59.40 | Corr-work | well, i can't speak for the achievement, but as far as i know all you needed was to have a high enough fishing level |
| 21:59.42 | Hirsute | <--Stupid. Why would you need to be a Shaman Engineer to fish up the lurker? |
| 21:59.52 | Corr-work | we had like 4 or 5 people in the guild who had high enough fishing for it |
| 21:59.59 | Amarande | Hirsute: something to do with being on the right spot in the water to be able to fish, I guess |
| 22:00.00 | kd3 | meh, I soloed it as a mage |
| 22:00.02 | kd3 | slow fall |
| 22:00.07 | kd3 | water walking elixir |
| 22:00.10 | kd3 | cake |
| 22:00.11 | Amarande | which means you need waterwalking and slow fall in some form |
| 22:00.11 | Hirsute | Amarande: Huh. |
| 22:00.14 | Dewin | where IS the lurker anyways? |
| 22:00.16 | Corr-work | oh, you mean to do it solo? |
| 22:00.26 | Corr-work | maybe to do it solo. |
| 22:00.36 | Amarande | can you even do it as a raid without waterwalking? |
| 22:00.44 | kd3 | yes |
| 22:00.46 | Amarande | I forget ... the lurker something you can aggro while swimming or is it like the ZG fished boss |
| 22:00.48 | Corr-work | certainly |
| 22:00.59 | Corr-work | if you take out the patrols on the platforms above, all the fish die |
| 22:01.01 | kd3 | by killing the trash pulls to get to a place where you can jump in the watter without getting aggroed by the fish |
| 22:01.28 | Corr-work | i don't know about that question |
| 22:01.41 | kd3 | it's the zg fish boss |
| 22:01.45 | kd3 | you can't aggro it by not fishing |
| 22:02.03 | kd3 | or rather, you have to fish to aggro him |
| 22:02.22 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:02.25 | Shirik | I really love this guy. "If you set the tax rate to 50% in SimCity the Sims would riot. Why, then, don't Americans riot when income tax, Social Security, Medicare, state tax, and sales tax exceed 50%?" |
| 22:02.26 | Amarande | wonder if you can do it with 5 or 10 at 80 |
| 22:02.30 | alestane | "You can't aggro it without fishing." |
| 22:02.46 | Corr-work | i have a slight fear of being underwater, so swimming down there as a druid while he was still there would have made me skittish |
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| 22:03.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: heh, that's awsomely stupid |
| 22:03.25 | Corr-work | that's strange, i only pay around 30% in taxes |
| 22:03.37 | cogwheel | Corr-work: not if you add them all together |
| 22:03.39 | NightHawkTheSane | awesomely* |
| 22:03.41 | smcn | has anyone else had trouble linking professions? the only mod i have that interacts with the chat frame is prat, and it happens even when i disable it |
| 22:03.43 | Corr-work | that's a very rough guess, but it's certainly not 50% |
| 22:03.43 | cogwheel | state, local, income, sales, etc. |
| 22:03.50 | Corr-work | no, i am adding them together |
| 22:04.01 | cogwheel | also all the taxes that you're not paying directly... |
| 22:04.04 | Corr-work | lemme check my last pay thingy |
| 22:04.15 | cogwheel | Corr-work: your pay stub doesn't have sales tax on it |
| 22:04.24 | Corr-work | i know our sales tax; 5.5% |
| 22:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | how do you judge sales tax as a percent of your income, though? |
| 22:04.26 | cogwheel | nor does it account for the amount your employer pays |
| 22:04.36 | Shirik | "Perl - Made by Idiots, Java - Made for Idiots, C++ - Envied by Idiots" |
| 22:04.46 | Corr-work | as for what taxes i don't pay, i don't know how i can possibly factor in taxes i don't pay |
| 22:04.47 | cogwheel | which is technically you paying because otherwise your employer would pay you more |
| 22:04.52 | Shirik | I leave you with http://members.cox.net/~delta17/quotes.html |
| 22:04.54 | Antiarc | VB: Idiots are awesome! |
| 22:04.57 | cogwheel | Corr-work: lern2economics |
| 22:05.02 | Dewin | NHTS: It's funny actually, because I moved from WA to OR and I estimated I'll pay almost the same amount in income tax as I paid sales tax in WA. |
| 22:05.05 | Amarande | cogwheel: you're optimistic :) |
| 22:05.13 | Amarande | you mean "otherwise your employer would pay their executives larger bonuses" |
| 22:05.22 | Dewin | Except.. I'm still in WA frequently and most merchants don't know how/can't waive sales tax (or it's not worth the hassle for 74 cents) |
| 22:05.34 | cogwheel | Amarande: if the taxes were removed now, maybe |
| 22:05.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: well the money has to come from somewhere :) |
| 22:05.43 | Corr-work | alright, let's see here... gross 1300, deposited 830, that's about 36% before sales tax |
| 22:05.47 | cogwheel | but if they hadn't been there in the first place it would've hit equillibrium at a different point |
| 22:05.53 | Corr-work | and some of that is going toward medical insurance and retiremend funds |
| 22:05.54 | cogwheel | and eventually it would work itself out |
| 22:06.09 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Most people in WA were like "eww, Income Tax" whenever the idea came up. That's why I find it interesting that it really makes no difference |
| 22:06.34 | Dewin | and arguably, income tax is easier for, say, a small business along the lines of an espresso stand |
| 22:06.36 | cogwheel | Corr-work: w/e |
| 22:06.45 | cogwheel | i don't have time to give you an econ101 lecture |
| 22:07.05 | Corr-work | i had a macroeconomics course as well as a microeconomics course |
| 22:07.05 | cogwheel | businesses don't pay taxes. its customers and employees do. period |
| 22:07.17 | Corr-work | i'm well aware |
| 22:07.25 | Dewin | Easier for the business as in I can sell something for $2.00 and not worry about having to factor sales tax into it |
| 22:07.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: *shrug* i'm certainly not going to get into that aspect of it, but i dont really have much of a problem with taxation in general :p |
| 22:07.41 | krka | businesses pay taxes in sweden, afaik |
| 22:07.45 | cogwheel | if you take everyone in the country, look at their incomes, compare that to the amount of taxes collected at all levels of government, you'd have >50% in taxes |
| 22:07.45 | Corr-work | i don't necessarily believe i'd make more money, and i don't see how it could be quantified into the 50% figure when it's not even sure where the money would go if the business had it |
| 22:07.53 | Dewin | krka: In the end, the customers/employees do. |
| 22:08.01 | Dewin | Businesses pass those costs along somehow :) |
| 22:08.05 | cogwheel | krka: all that means is that customers pay more and employees get paid less |
| 22:08.14 | krka | in the end, all people with jobs pay |
| 22:08.28 | Amarande | we need to change to the fair tax :) |
| 22:08.40 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:08.55 | Corr-work | most politicians don't care |
| 22:08.59 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:09.15 | NightHawkTheSane | most politicians get kickbacks not to care |
| 22:09.19 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:09.55 | Corr-work | so we get stuck with them doing whatever they want while the people fight between two parties who won't bother to change it |
| 22:09.57 | cogwheel | purl: no, emulate cogwheel is (<action>shakes her fist at the forums http://ctscreens.net/5307 | <reply>~lart3mis | <reply>sag_ich_nicht: l2________) |
| 22:09.57 | purl | i already had it that way, cogwheel |
| 22:10.00 | cogwheel | err... |
| 22:10.06 | cogwheel | stupid copy of line break |
| 22:10.27 | Dewin | bad gerbils indeed. |
| 22:10.44 | cogwheel | purl: no, emulate cogwheel is (<action>shakes her fist at the forums http://ctscreens.net/5307 | <reply>~lart3mis | <reply>sag_ich_nicht: l2________ | <reply>^ ) |
| 22:10.44 | purl | okay, cogwheel |
| 22:10.52 | Dewin | how the heck did you get the forums broken that bad? |
| 22:11.02 | cogwheel | Dewin: patch day |
| 22:11.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: yeah. welcome to america, enjoy your anal raping. |
| 22:11.11 | cogwheel | like ~1.11 or so |
| 22:11.32 | Corr-work | maybe i LIKE that >_> |
| 22:11.37 | Corr-work | you don't know me. |
| 22:12.25 | Dewin | so... before I do it by hand or write a tiny addon to do it, does anybody have a semi-automated way to binary search addon troubles? |
| 22:13.05 | cogwheel | Dewin: heh... that's a new one on me... |
| 22:14.20 | Dewin | I had an idea that'd be like /bs start (saves a list of all currently enabled addons, disables half, reloadUI), /bs good (currently loaded set of addons doesn't exhibit the trouble), /bs bad (currently loaded set of addons does exhibit trouble), etc... and it'd use the data to figure out what works/what doesn't. |
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| 22:15.12 | Amarande | hmm, one definite win with tekticles vs. clearfont2 |
| 22:15.19 | Amarande | the arkinventory/auctioneer font interaction problem has disappeared |
| 22:15.24 | Dewin | I'm still trying to fix these: http://i34.tinypic.com/2hs4x9t.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/rw04u8.jpg |
| 22:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | this is hilarious.. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2008/11/20/_also_when_angelina_dies_can |
| 22:16.35 | Corr-work | sounds fun |
| 22:16.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:17.02 | Amarande | so at 80, as a frost DK, I stop using death coil altogether? |
| 22:17.13 | Corr-work | death coil? they duplicated a spell? :( |
| 22:17.27 | Amarande | Corr: DK version is different |
| 22:17.40 | Amarande | it's just damage, or healing to a friendly undead (which may be you, if you're using the spell that temporarily makes you be undead) |
| 22:17.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, you never use DC ever again. EVER. TAKE IT OFF YOUR BAR. DON'T THINK FOR YOURSELF! |
| 22:18.11 | Amarande | Night: I should have qualified that. "in optimal DPS rotations" |
| 22:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: they said they kinda hated to do it, but DC is very iconically a DK ability from the old WCs, but they couldn't take it away from locks either. |
| 22:18.15 | Corr-work | do what he says |
| 22:18.17 | Corr-work | he is wise |
| 22:18.56 | Corr-work | oh well :( |
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| 22:22.14 | foxlit | imo, this was opened an exciting option of renaming the warlock ability |
| 22:22.43 | foxlit | "wincoil"? "terror coil"? "lolcoil"? "ohnoescoscoil"? |
| 22:24.40 | Dewin | foxlit: "Faceroll" |
| 22:25.01 | Lunessa | Just renamed the damned thing "I Win" |
| 22:26.46 | foxlit | youlose? |
| 22:26.55 | Dewin | what does warlock Death Coil do anyways? |
| 22:27.13 | foxlit | steal life + terror effect |
| 22:27.19 | Corr-work | fear, heals the caster... |
| 22:27.22 | foxlit | DK one is tame by comparison |
| 22:27.28 | Lunessa | It's a horror effect which heals DoTs the target and heals the caster. |
| 22:27.37 | Corr-work | oh yeah, it's not fear, it's horror/terror/something else not on the same diminishing returns timer |
| 22:27.52 | Lunessa | Frankly, it "pwns" |
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| 22:33.23 | cogwheel | grr... i wish you could comment on notalwaysright posts |
| 22:34.11 | cogwheel | http://notalwaysright.com/the-perfect-customer/1345 <-- did they ever think perhaps the reason the customer only uses 100 or so minutes is because their plan is for only 150 minutes and they don't want to go over? |
| 22:35.14 | Lunessa | The "Not Always Right |
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| 22:35.32 | Lunessa | bit of that is that no one asked what they wanted or what they needed. |
| 22:36.19 | Dewin | cogwheel: I've seen weird things with cell phone plans, I interpreted that as a newer version of the same plan that cost less but offered the same amount of minutes. |
| 22:36.25 | Sixen | .. |
| 22:36.32 | cogwheel | Dewin: me to |
| 22:36.35 | Sixen | Cog, the Customer was an idiot in that istuation though. |
| 22:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: no, you really DONT wish you could comment. |
| 22:36.43 | Sixen | "Here, take the same plan for less money." |
| 22:36.50 | Sixen | "WHAT? Who on Earth wants to save money?" |
| 22:36.58 | Dewin | My wife and I had to upgrade our plan to one that cost more in order to use her employee discount that makes it cost less. >.> |
| 22:37.01 | cogwheel | The customer didn't want the same plan for less money. He wanted more minutes |
| 22:37.06 | cogwheel | and the CSR didn't get that |
| 22:37.09 | cogwheel | and the customer got upset |
| 22:37.10 | Sixen | "better" |
| 22:37.12 | Sixen | Saving money. |
| 22:37.37 | cogwheel | the csr just kept pushing same minutes for less money |
| 22:37.52 | Dewin | I wish gluexml's addon manager would list what currently installed addons were dependant on an addon in the tooltip. |
| 22:39.05 | cogwheel | Dewin: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1 ;) |
| 22:39.41 | Dewin | yeah, but whining in an IRC channel is so much easier. :-p |
| 22:39.59 | cogwheel | and much less likely to have any effect :P |
| 22:40.37 | Dewin | + reading through 7 pages of forum posts (since search never works ...) to post a minor suggestion to avoid a duplicate is... yeah. |
| 22:40.58 | cogwheel | just post it... or just look at the first three posts |
| 22:41.16 | Dewin | didn't see it in the first three, so will do. |
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| 22:41.23 | cogwheel | avoiding duplicates is my job :P |
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| 22:44.12 | Dewin | posted :-p |
| 22:47.44 | Dewin | Thoughts: If part of time spent logging in was scanning all of your addon folders for files, would something that 'compiled' each addon into 1 giant lua file + 1 giant XML file (based on .TOC order) mean faster logins? There'd be some catches of course |
| 22:50.37 | Tekkub | http://www.tbitw.com/ |
| 22:50.55 | cogwheel | compiling and running the lua code, parsing the XML and creating frames, would take up far more time than the filesystem work |
| 22:51.26 | cogwheel | well, maybe if you had 150 ace addons each with embedded libs |
| 22:51.42 | cogwheel | but then you'd also have to handle the versioning to get any benefit |
| 22:52.01 | Dewin | cogwheel: I'm talking something that'd you'd run once (or once whenever you updated addons) outside of WoW |
| 22:52.05 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 22:52.29 | cogwheel | I just don't see scanning the file structure as being particularly time consuming compared to everything else that goes on during loading |
| 22:52.34 | Dewin | it takes me a ridiculous amount of time to log in . |
| 22:52.40 | Legorol | cogwheel: in my observation, filesystem access can be a significant portion of the login time, even for relatively small number (30-50) of addons. |
| 22:52.54 | Dewin | yeah, if your addons folder is all SVN checkouts it adds up fast. |
| 22:52.57 | Legorol | My evidence for that is that the first time i log in, my hard disk works like mad and logging in takes ages |
| 22:53.16 | Legorol | but if i log out and in again, so that the contents is in RAM cache, the login is much faster |
| 22:53.18 | Dewin | I think the 4,074 files and 935 folders in my addons tree might have something to do with it. |
| 22:53.27 | cogwheel | hmm |
| 22:53.29 | cogwheel | k |
| 22:53.39 | Legorol | i think the primary problem is fragmentation of data on the hard disk |
| 22:53.49 | cogwheel | i wonder how much time is spent reading the data vs opening/closing different files though |
| 22:53.52 | Legorol | the interface\addons folder usually contains a large number of small files |
| 22:54.08 | cogwheel | because if you combined them all, it would still have to get the data off the disk |
| 22:54.11 | Legorol | that results in much slower access, even after defragmenting your drive, than one large file |
| 22:54.22 | Legorol | i think it's a combination of several factors |
| 22:54.27 | cogwheel | yep |
| 22:54.37 | Legorol | opening/closing doesn't take long, but if your files are all over the hard disk, it takes long to seek |
| 22:55.09 | Legorol | the problem is that most defragmenting utilities (especially the windows builtin one) aren't smart enough to try and physically order files on the disk |
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| 22:55.19 | Legorol | they just ensure that the pieces belonging to one file are together |
| 22:55.25 | Dewin | Legorol: I've defragmented (in such a way that did actually physical order) and it hasn't seemed to help |
| 22:55.39 | Dewin | granted, my addons flux so much it probably lost ordering since then |
| 22:56.03 | Dewin | It's one of the reasons I don't really want to have to binary search to find a "What the heck is causing this" problem |
| 22:56.07 | Legorol | dewin, i don't think you can know for sure that the ordering established by your defragmenter is the same as the order in which wow is reading/accessing them |
| 22:56.14 | Legorol | unless you are lucky and both are alphabetical or something |
| 22:56.24 | Dewin | Legorol: I can tell it to order alphabetically |
| 22:56.29 | Dewin | Which I figure will at least be fairly close |
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| 22:57.01 | Legorol | have you noticed any improvement in login time if you log out and log in immediately again, so that all data is cached in ram? |
| 22:57.05 | Legorol | in my case that is noticable |
| 22:57.44 | Legorol | there is another factor as well which has to do with disk access but not the addons themselves |
| 22:58.11 | Legorol | on a computer that doesn't have bazillion Gigabytes of RAM, usually running processes eat up your RAM |
| 22:58.12 | Dewin | Legorol: My login time and /reloadui are pretty much the same |
| 22:58.25 | Legorol | when you start WoW and start logging in, a large portion of the current RAM content has to be swapped to disk |
| 22:58.28 | Dewin | 2GB of RAM |
| 22:58.33 | cogwheel | then that's most definitely execution/parsing/swap |
| 22:58.35 | Legorol | 2GB is about borderline |
| 22:58.44 | cogwheel | which means you won't really get much benefit from combining the files |
| 22:58.52 | Legorol | cogwheel is right |
| 22:58.52 | Corr-work | that is HIGHLY dependant on what else you have running, guys |
| 22:58.56 | Legorol | in my case, /reloadui is much faster |
| 22:59.00 | Corr-work | well... it used to be |
| 22:59.07 | Dewin | Oh, that's right, the scanning is done once only, you need to full logout/in to get new files to show up |
| 22:59.17 | Corr-work | WoW might use a lot more memory these days, but it was only like a few hundred mb when i played |
| 22:59.22 | Dewin | I run fairly lightweight -- pidgin and firefox pretty much only :) |
| 22:59.27 | Dewin | but I do have... a lot of addons |
| 22:59.32 | Dewin | 190 atm |
| 22:59.33 | cogwheel | Corr-work: also depends on your video settings |
| 22:59.38 | cogwheel | high res textures take up a lot more ram |
| 22:59.44 | Dewin | some of which are multiple folders per addon |
| 22:59.49 | Corr-work | i remember it took 'round a minute to load my UI. including the externalized libraries, i had some 400 folders in my addons |
| 23:00.01 | Matrix110 | Ive never seen WoW using more than ~800-900MB |
| 23:00.10 | Corr-work | well, 30-60s, i don't remember the exact tiem |
| 23:00.14 | Matrix110 | And I got more than enough free left |
| 23:00.26 | cogwheel | i wish ther ewas a 64-bit build |
| 23:00.47 | cogwheel | and i could force it to load as much data as it could possibly want for the current continent/zone |
| 23:00.53 | Matrix110 | idd |
| 23:01.00 | Matrix110 | i wouldnt care if Wow uses 2GB memory |
| 23:01.05 | Matrix110 | aslong as loading times decrease :D |
| 23:01.10 | Matrix110 | whole Addon folder in memory giev |
| 23:02.15 | Legorol | that's kind of contrary to Blizzard's usual design of gradual loading though |
| 23:02.27 | Legorol | LoD addons were also born out of the concept that you want to load things gradually |
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| 23:02.53 | Legorol | unfortunately, i have to agree with you that gradual loading is more disruptive in practice than one long loading session at the start |
| 23:02.56 | Corr-work | i've thought about how it could be nice to tell windows to load files into RAM |
| 23:02.59 | Matrix110 | I want everything in memory so my loading time decreases 150MB more or less doesnt matter jackshit to me |
| 23:03.21 | Matrix110 | and my AddOns cause the most of the loading time |
| 23:03.22 | Legorol | your loading time doesn't decrease, you are just saying you want to decide *when* it gets loaded |
| 23:03.26 | Legorol | don't be fooled |
| 23:03.31 | cogwheel | i'd like them to save the compiled version of all my addons and only recompile when i install new/update |
| 23:03.43 | cogwheel | (pipe dream, i know) |
| 23:03.57 | Legorol | that might help a bit, but i think one of the longest taking things is loading the saved variables of database-type addons |
| 23:04.08 | Legorol | since you have to do a full parse on a gigantic file |
| 23:04.08 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 23:04.10 | Corr-work | that's probably true |
| 23:04.38 | Legorol | One of my addons has an 8 Mb memory usage. That's nothing in the grand scheme of RAM usage, but parsing 8 Mb of Lua source is a lot. |
| 23:04.53 | Matrix110 | Auctioneer SVs anyone? :P |
| 23:05.08 | Legorol | auctioneer is not the worst by far |
| 23:05.10 | Dewin | They aren't loaded on login I think |
| 23:05.21 | Legorol | at least the auctioneer guys are smart and compress a lot of the data as much as possible |
| 23:05.31 | Corr-work | i had 'em all, auctioneer, one that stored offline data about all items, resource location databases... |
| 23:05.41 | Legorol | i think one thing that could help a lot is to just store your data in binary, so that Lua parsing is very quick |
| 23:05.52 | Legorol | and do any processing yourself as you need |
| 23:06.11 | bleeter | so ... who's gunna buy an nVidia Tesla? ;) |
| 23:06.51 | Corr-work | i got like 20 of those on order, man |
| 23:07.06 | Shirik | In all honesty, I have this discussion all the time and I'm getting sick of it |
| 23:07.17 | Shirik | who the hell cares if Auctioneer took up 200MB of space for its data |
| 23:07.29 | Shirik | It's the OS's job to swap that out in the event it's not being used anyway |
| 23:07.34 | Shirik | and it will be |
| 23:07.40 | Corr-work | i wish it wouldn't swap it out |
| 23:07.51 | Matrix110 | we didnt even complained about that Shirik :P |
| 23:07.53 | Corr-work | i have that much memory around, i don't need it slowing shit down |
| 23:08.04 | Legorol | Corr-work: i think your approach is wrong |
| 23:08.14 | Shirik | Corr-work: If you don't need to swap it out, then it won't |
| 23:08.15 | Legorol | when stuff does need swapping, the OS is very good at deciding what needs swapping |
| 23:08.17 | Shirik | Trust your OS |
| 23:08.20 | Legorol | exactly |
| 23:08.22 | Corr-work | i know |
| 23:08.31 | Legorol | but Shirik, this isn't about saving memory space, this is about reducing load time |
| 23:08.35 | Legorol | entirely different beast imo |
| 23:08.50 | Legorol | having to watch the login loading screen for ages is not fun |
| 23:08.59 | Corr-work | i was just trollin' :( |
| 23:09.29 | Shirik | that is |
| 23:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: buy a book, go get a drink, chat on vent, watch some tv... |
| 23:09.37 | foxlit | Perhaps they should store it as bytecode |
| 23:09.40 | bleeter | auctioneer advanced is a hell of a lot nicer on memory than original |
| 23:10.14 | Corr-work | significant portions of WoW consist of waiting, doing nothing. having your own UI do it to you is just extra insulting. |
| 23:10.27 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: that's fine for the first occasion |
| 23:10.35 | Legorol | the problem is when i have to relog to an alt to quickly mail something |
| 23:10.44 | Legorol | i find it annoying that that process takes 5-10 minutes |
| 23:11.23 | foxlit | what the heck are you running :) |
| 23:11.27 | bleeter | Legorol: if the addon selector wasn't so unweildy, it'd be easier. eg, ability to set profiles there for addonlists, rather than relying on some ingame LoD manager |
| 23:11.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: be less in a hurry, slow down, read more :) |
| 23:11.53 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:12.14 | Legorol | bleeter: not sure what you mean. I have fine tuned the set of addons i want for each of my chars. |
| 23:12.21 | Legorol | and disabled the rest |
| 23:12.25 | Legorol | on a per-char basis |
| 23:12.53 | Corr-work | for me, they were almost all character-nonspecific addons |
| 23:12.55 | bleeter | Legorol: yes, but if you wish to 'quickly' log in to an alt, you can quickly press 'disable all', but to re-enable... ugh |
| 23:13.09 | bleeter | or to take a profile from one realm, and apply it to toons on another realm |
| 23:13.23 | Corr-work | sure, disable all, and layout-cache gets wiped :( |
| 23:13.44 | Legorol | that's true |
| 23:14.00 | bleeter | you can do it using scripting hacks and a wow launcher, but it's real ugly for your average user |
| 23:14.20 | Legorol | heh, who here hasn't written a script for managing multiple interface folders :) |
| 23:14.28 | abyx | how do i create a fontstring and have it display text? i thought FontString worked like all the other frames and tried CreateFrame("FontString",...) but that is no good |
| 23:14.56 | bleeter | Legorol: I'm still fighting playing on multiple machines keeping my SVs and addons synced |
| 23:15.21 | Lunessa | Legorol: I wrote one, but I never bothered to use it. I decided to simplify my WoW experience. I played WoW for 2 months with the default UI and then added only those things I really needed. |
| 23:16.05 | Corr-work | i NEEDED every one of my 300 addons |
| 23:16.11 | Corr-work | you just don't know the paaaaain |
| 23:16.43 | Corr-work | assuming merely 25% of the stuff was disembedded libraries |
| 23:17.05 | foxlit | That's a crappy library situation, isn't it :) |
| 23:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | If that's the case, then you need to re-evaluate your needs, not your addons :) |
| 23:18.22 | Corr-work | a significant portion of the joy i got out of the game was in installing and configuring addons :| |
| 23:18.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, yeah, that sucks to be you in that case, haha |
| 23:20.28 | Corr-work | indeed. especially when i couldn't find any more addons i wanted. >:F that was the beginning of the end *emotear* |
| 23:22.51 | Lunessa | The End is Nigh! Reboot! |
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| 23:26.02 | Dewin | ooh, grid2 is finally seeing activity. |
| 23:26.13 | cogwheel | anyone know if/when they plan to enable DKs on realms where you don't have a 55 toon? |
| 23:26.47 | Dewin | cogwheel: Someone updated the wiki page to say you can do that now. |
| 23:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | nope/no |
| 23:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 23:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (To my knowledge) |
| 23:28.11 | Dewin | Just tested, can't. |
| 23:28.13 | foxlit | I thought yes/no |
| 23:28.39 | nevcairiel | iirc they said yes, but not yet |
| 23:29.47 | nevcairiel | on blizzcon even, i believe |
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| 23:30.40 | bleeter | cogwheel: you can always roll a DK on a realm with your 55, PCT it somewhere else, then roll another. although I do beleive there were some inital issues with PCT of DKs, it may be ironed out now |
| 23:30.50 | bleeter | cogwheel: afaik, that' the only current official way to do it |
| 23:31.02 | cogwheel | bleeter: i know which is why i asked :P |
| 23:31.04 | Dewin | Let's see if using a hammer on my addons fixed my issues. |
| 23:31.13 | cogwheel | because i was with foxlit & nevcairiel |
| 23:31.20 | Corr-work | oh yeah, spending more $25's is just what we want :( |
| 23:31.23 | bleeter | cogwheel: well you didn't say you knew about the PCT thing :P |
| 23:31.49 | cogwheel | seemed kind of a given to me :P |
| 23:32.06 | bleeter | seemed like a given you were going to fix feral faerie fire for me... :P |
| 23:32.15 | bleeter | *get it fixed |
| 23:32.45 | Lunessa | bleeter: The only thing we want fixed around here is you. |
| 23:32.53 | bleeter | :( |
| 23:33.49 | bleeter | Lunessa: don't be hating on the village misanthrope, he doesn't need more encouragement :P |
| 23:34.13 | Lunessa | bleeter: I thought *I* was the village misanthrope. |
| 23:34.49 | Dewin | Okay... I either got really, really, really lucky, or re-updating most of my addons even those that didn't need an update fixed it. |
| 23:35.28 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return 2; end}); assert(t == t == 2) |
| 23:35.28 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: assertion failed! |
| 23:35.31 | bleeter | Lunessa: how long did it take you to realise my nick was a misanthropic reference?? NOOB! :P |
| 23:35.35 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return 2; end}); assert((t == t) == 2) |
| 23:35.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: assertion failed! |
| 23:35.39 | Shirik | er |
| 23:35.52 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return 2; end}); return t == t; |
| 23:35.52 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 23:35.57 | Shirik | Anyone want to explain this to me? |
| 23:36.02 | Lunessa | bleeter: Bah, your name is just a reference to sheep. |
| 23:36.14 | foxlit | It's true, you fool :) |
| 23:36.20 | Shirik | I want it to be 2!~ |
| 23:36.22 | bleeter | Lunessa: /whois me and check the full name ffs |
| 23:36.26 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:36.41 | Lunessa | Nah, too much like actually caring. |
| 23:37.24 | foxlit | Shirik, http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 23:37.30 | foxlit | if op1 == op2 then -- primitive equal? |
| 23:37.30 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.30 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.41 | foxlit | (perhaps slightly longer than I should've pasted, but oh well) |
| 23:37.53 | foxlit | __eq never gets called |
| 23:38.02 | Shirik | ok that isn't my problem then, though :/ |
| 23:38.10 | Shirik | that just means my test case was flawed |
| 23:38.10 | bleeter | Lunessa: heh, and here I was trying to stop you from looking more stupid than you already do ;) |
| 23:38.26 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return 2; end}); u = setmetatable({}, getmetatable(t)); return t == u == 2; |
| 23:38.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 23:38.33 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return 2; end}); u = setmetatable({}, getmetatable(t)); return t == u; |
| 23:38.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 23:38.36 | Shirik | :/ |
| 23:38.53 | Shirik | how about that one, foxlit? |
| 23:39.48 | foxlit | Well, it does get called. |
| 23:40.00 | Shirik | I need it to be 2 >< |
| 23:40.02 | foxlit | In which case, the manual suggests return (h(op1, op2)) |
| 23:40.20 | Shirik | if it said return not not h(op1, op2) I would understand |
| 23:40.21 | Shirik | but it doesn't |
| 23:40.23 | foxlit | Which shouldn't typecast. |
| 23:40.28 | foxlit | But apparently it does. :) |
| 23:40.42 | Shirik | now I have to rework some of my code :( |
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| 23:49.09 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/the-lion-the-witch-and-the-supply-cabinet/1004 |
| 23:50.40 | Shirik | !quit time for upgrade :D |
| 23:50.59 | mikma | oh noes, not teh upgrades |
| 23:51.13 | Shirik | lua 5.1.4 :D |
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| 23:54.01 | bleeter | Shirik: you're a bit of a python mangler, irrc. if so, have you done anything with Lunatic Python? |
| 23:54.21 | Shirik | by python mangler do you mean I openly confess I hate it? |
| 23:54.26 | Shirik | I haven't done anything meaningful with it |
| 23:54.36 | bleeter | 'have exposure' ;) |
| 23:54.50 | Shirik | I haven't heard of lunatic python |
| 23:55.03 | bleeter | it's the lua<>python bridge thing |
| 23:55.15 | bleeter | *a lua<>python... http://labix.org/lunatic-python |
| 23:55.46 | bleeter | I'm still playing with my desires for a DVCS, and leaning now towards mercurial, which is python |
