| 00:00.09 | Lopeppeppy | But why go to the expense at all? |
| 00:00.14 | ZorbaTHut | the design and implementation is the hard part, the sheer volume tends not to be (obviously, with corporate enterprise-level definitions of "not too expensive") |
| 00:00.14 | Corr-work | well, if you are able to turn off all notifications of them, i guess there's little to complain about |
| 00:00.14 | ZorbaTHut | Yes. |
| 00:00.20 | Fisker- | ITS NEHALEM TIME |
| 00:00.24 | Corr-work | except lost potential |
| 00:00.28 | ZorbaTHut | lope, because, in retrospect, it would have been useful :) |
| 00:00.39 | Lopeppeppy | Hindsight is 20/20, we've already covered that. |
| 00:00.43 | ZorbaTHut | I've found that logging *everything* is surprisingly handy - you can get a bunch of statistical data out that you would otherwise have lost. |
| 00:00.46 | Iriel | I find storage is one of the most expensive parts of my environments |
| 00:00.52 | ZorbaTHut | so that's why I over-log stuff. |
| 00:01.08 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: but you're not supporting your storage |
| 00:01.24 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: what if *YOU* had to host all the stored data for your addon users |
| 00:01.31 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: would you still store so much? |
| 00:01.57 | Iriel | Unreliable storage is ridiculously cheap |
| 00:02.05 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, I *do*, actually |
| 00:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | so, yes, obviously I would :) |
| 00:02.17 | Iriel | reliable storage (plus backups) gets far more expensive. |
| 00:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | For 12 million x 50 or more? |
| 00:02.39 | ZorbaTHut | lope, depends how much data it is. a single byte per character is a mere 60 megabytes. |
| 00:02.40 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: out of interest, how's the data stored and backed up? |
| 00:02.53 | Corr-work | 50 what, bytes? |
| 00:02.56 | Fisker- | Iriel is ridiculously cheap |
| 00:02.57 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 00:02.59 | ZorbaTHut | I doubt most people have multiple raids per day on each of 50 characters. |
| 00:03.06 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, two computers, plus Amazon S3 |
| 00:03.09 | Iriel | Fisker-: whereas you can't even give yourself away 8-) |
| 00:03.11 | ZorbaTHut | the S3 costs come out to about a buck per month. |
| 00:03.29 | Corr-work | buuurn :o |
| 00:03.36 | Fisker- | :( |
| 00:03.38 | Lopeppeppy | 50 Characters x 12 million customers. |
| 00:03.48 | Shirik | ~dodge Fisker- |
| 00:03.49 | purl | at the last second shirik dodges out of the way of Fisker-'s malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 00:03.52 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik. Still avoiding caffeine? |
| 00:03.56 | ZorbaTHut | lope, how many people actually have 50 characters that they play, though? |
| 00:03.59 | Shirik | I was about to ask you the same thing |
| 00:04.03 | Fisker- | ~fart Shirik |
| 00:04.04 | purl | ACTION farts in Shirik's general direction |
| 00:04.11 | ZorbaTHut | I'm guessing the answer is "none", actually, or so close to it that it's inconsequential |
| 00:04.29 | kd3 | still... gotta consider the worst case scenario |
| 00:04.48 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, sure, but you don't have to assume the worst-case scenario is going to be the common-case scenario |
| 00:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't matter. Still have to plan for it and buy into it. |
| 00:05.02 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like every player on the planet is going to start doing three raids per day with each of 50 characters. It just wouldn't be *possible*. |
| 00:05.02 | cbreak | no |
| 00:05.35 | ZorbaTHut | The worst-case scenario is *maybe* twelve instances per day for each player, and reality is far, far, far below that. You don't have to build for a one-in-a-quintillion chance. |
| 00:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't matter. They have to treat it AS If. |
| 00:05.41 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: when we build software, we always look at the worst case |
| 00:05.42 | ZorbaTHut | no, they don't |
| 00:05.45 | cbreak | providers sell you 25mbit internet access even though you will never get that, and if more than a small fraction of the users would come close to that the network would clogg up. |
| 00:05.50 | Iriel | I agree with ZorbaTHut on the sizing front |
| 00:05.53 | Corr-work | you don't have to treat impossibilities as realities |
| 00:05.54 | ZorbaTHut | every person on the planet could hammer google with ten requests per second |
| 00:05.55 | Iriel | You size for 'expected' plus a buffer |
| 00:05.59 | ZorbaTHut | google doesn't have to plan for that |
| 00:06.02 | ZorbaTHut | it just plain won't happen :P |
| 00:06.03 | Corr-work | they are impossible, by very definition |
| 00:06.30 | mikma | lol, [02:05:32] Zootfizzle says: No, not the cogs! Anything but the cogs! |
| 00:06.32 | cbreak | you take the expected use for average people, add some safety margins |
| 00:06.37 | ReAn | overselling is a problem tho |
| 00:06.38 | cbreak | and then some more margins and you're set |
| 00:06.43 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, yeah :) |
| 00:06.43 | ReAn | look at our internet bandwidth issue |
| 00:06.54 | cbreak | if the first margins are used, you have until the second margins to add more capacity |
| 00:07.01 | ReAn | net neutrality only became a real issue because ISPs were overselling thier system |
| 00:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=28374 |
| 00:07.05 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=28374#comments |
| 00:07.26 | cbreak | ReAn: I don't say it's a good thing (although I like that my internet is cheap because most people other than me don't use it) |
| 00:07.32 | cbreak | but it's what happens :) |
| 00:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: my desktop pissed itself and died overnight as it was updating, so, gentoo gets to die now |
| 00:09.58 | Lunessa | die gentoo DIE DIE DIE |
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| 00:10.08 | Dashkal | funny, as I recall thats why I switched to debian from gentoo... |
| 00:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 00:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I'm switching to also :D |
| 00:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | debian-40r5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I am avoiding caffeine by drinking a lot of Bailey's and milk. :) |
| 00:10.53 | Dashkal | Of course eventually I got tired of debian being either unstable, old (testing) or ancient (stable) so I switched to kubuntu :p |
| 00:10.55 | Shirik | haha |
| 00:11.28 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: Bailey's? Share? |
| 00:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I can deal with unstable. That's what my laptop is running. Been running it for months and it's fine |
| 00:11.44 | Shirik | bailey's and ... milk? |
| 00:11.46 | Shirik | what? |
| 00:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus, it can only be more stable than gentoo ;D |
| 00:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | Any time, Dashkal. |
| 00:11.56 | Dashkal | yay! |
| 00:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you don't know about Baileys Irish Cream and milk? Oh my god, I must educate you properly. |
| 00:12.23 | Shirik | I can't say I've ever heard the two mixed together |
| 00:12.25 | Lunessa | Khalua and Cream! |
| 00:12.29 | erikd | ^ |
| 00:12.33 | Dashkal | Actually, that's a damn good idea. *makes a note to buy a bottle for the weekend* |
| 00:12.33 | erikd | big fan |
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| 00:13.35 | WobWork | what do you mix baileys with normally, shirik? |
| 00:13.42 | Shirik | I don't drink, really |
| 00:13.56 | WobWork | well, neither do I... |
| 00:14.29 | WobWork | NYE is an exception for me though =) Last year was absinthe (non-noncomposmentis version) |
| 00:14.50 | Dashkal | Absinthe... I have got to find a good supplier... |
| 00:15.10 | Lopeppeppy | Had some of that, it's strong but odd. |
| 00:15.13 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 00:15.22 | WobWork | I read Twilight and now I can't get into Narnia. D: |
| 00:15.23 | WobWork | Posted by: Susan Pevensie |
| 00:16.41 | Corr-work | huh |
| 00:18.35 | cbreak | ~weather mars |
| 00:24.58 | bleeter | ~weather ymhb |
| 00:25.20 | bleeter | heh, about right... for once |
| 00:28.20 | bleeter | wtf? http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1786497 |
| 00:29.59 | Esamynn | bleeter: must you spread that stupidity about? |
| 00:30.15 | bleeter | yes! |
| 00:30.27 | bleeter | gotta do something while I'm watching the install wheels spin |
| 00:30.43 | bleeter | and abusing the construction workers outside has got old |
| 00:30.44 | Esamynn | ~lart bleeter |
| 00:30.44 | purl | gives bleeter an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending bleeter to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
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| 00:33.07 | cbreak | sounds like the "The evil virus downloaded all that pron to my computer, it wasn't me, honestly mom" defense |
| 00:38.21 | MentalPower | cbreak: that has actually hapenned tho |
| 00:38.31 | MentalPower | big court case about it, turned out to be true |
| 00:38.39 | cbreak | yes. once. |
| 00:38.40 | bleeter | MentalPower: so how did your mum react? |
| 00:38.47 | cbreak | I bet that defense was used more than once :) |
| 00:38.56 | MentalPower | ~lart bleeter |
| 00:38.56 | purl | shoots bleeter in the head |
| 00:39.07 | bleeter | FIGJAM |
| 00:39.09 | MentalPower | aww... that's not a fun lart... |
| 00:39.22 | bleeter | I've not been severely larted in ages, you know the Windows stuff ones |
| 00:39.25 | cbreak | ~poison bleeter |
| 00:39.25 | purl | ACTION brews up the best industrial metal cleaner and injects a precise measure into bleeter |
| 00:40.09 | WobWork | http://ldd.lego.com/ |
| 00:40.10 | WobWork | whee |
| 00:40.26 | cbreak | lame... |
| 00:40.33 | cbreak | mindstorms > this |
| 00:40.47 | WobWork | er |
| 00:40.56 | WobWork | mindstorm are the physical sets, no? |
| 00:41.15 | bleeter | btw folks... if you're planning a sea based invasion of australia, this coming summertime is the time to do it. our navy's going on a two month holiday |
| 00:41.22 | WobWork | I didn't think there was a digital version of them like that |
| 00:41.47 | bleeter | 'coz the contracted child care facility to our defense department has gone bust and the already understaffed navy were facing more people leaving so they could look after their kids :/ |
| 00:41.54 | WobWork | Of course, a sea based invasion of australia leads to the common problem all invaders encounter. |
| 00:42.02 | WobWork | "What the fuck do we do with it now that we have it?" |
| 00:42.06 | bleeter | aye |
| 00:42.09 | Corr-work | just... just the whole navy? disabled for 2 months? |
| 00:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | Not enough water wings? |
| 00:42.24 | bleeter | Corr-work: pretty much anything that's not on already active duty |
| 00:42.28 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: i know! prison colony! oh, wait... |
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| 00:42.55 | cbreak | that's why they are better. |
| 00:43.11 | cbreak | because they are hardware |
| 00:43.15 | WobWork | yeees |
| 00:43.24 | WobWork | but the whole point of that software is that... it's software |
| 00:43.27 | WobWork | not hardware |
| 00:43.42 | WobWork | It's lego you can play with when you don't have lego |
| 00:44.07 | cbreak | that's like a food software |
| 00:44.21 | cbreak | you can look at food when you're hungry and have an empty fridge |
| 00:44.26 | cbreak | just not the same :/ |
| 00:44.33 | WobWork | That's what TV cooking shows are for |
| 00:44.45 | bleeter | eat the TV? |
| 00:44.49 | WobWork | "Look at what I'm making! It's delicious, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY" |
| 00:44.54 | Corr-work | that's like shooting cops in software when you could go out and shoot cops for real |
| 00:45.13 | WobWork | Corr-work: You make the best analogies |
| 00:45.27 | Corr-work | i try |
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| 00:46.19 | Corr-work | certainly not recommending it |
| 00:46.47 | cbreak | speaking from experience? |
| 00:47.32 | cbreak | (did you try to steal his helmet and return it to his grieving widow?) |
| 00:47.46 | Lunessa | You know what else is delicious? Parfaits. Parfaits are /delicious/. |
| 00:48.38 | Corr-work | *read in an exaggeratedly nerdy voice* if you mean my 80+ hours of Gee Tee Eh experience, in which i've got ten totally tricked out cars and like a billion dollars, then YES |
| 00:49.45 | Corr-work | i heard nice things about gelato from an overly-excited woman on the food network who took care to pronounce it with the proper accent |
| 00:49.59 | Corr-work | parfait, not sure i've ever seen |
| 00:50.32 | Lunessa | ... You need parfait in you life. |
| 00:51.08 | Lopeppeppy | Don't know nobody don't like no parfait. |
| 00:51.22 | Lunessa | Have you accepted parfait as your personal dessert? Have you felt it's /healing/ power? |
| 00:51.43 | cbreak | pizza. |
| 00:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | Pizza is a valid dessert? |
| 00:52.04 | cbreak | pizza is a valid everything. |
| 00:52.14 | cbreak | you can even use it as hat. |
| 00:52.17 | Corr-work | tell you what has a healing power: hearing that time clock hit its 8th hour |
| 00:52.21 | Corr-work | see you later! |
| 00:52.22 | cbreak | (not recommended) |
| 00:52.23 | Lunessa | Pizza is not a valid sexual partner. |
| 00:54.28 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Desserts_by_country |
| 00:54.31 | cbreak | nice. |
| 00:55.20 | Shirik | Lunessa... |
| 00:55.33 | Lunessa | Yes? |
| 00:56.49 | Shirik | You are one of few people that I know of that can manage to put pizza and "sexual partner" in the same sentence |
| 00:59.03 | Lunessa | Shirik: I have done far worse to the English language. |
| 01:04.19 | WobWork | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlova_(food) |
| 01:04.21 | WobWork | omnomnomnom |
| 01:04.56 | Lopeppeppy | I have edamame, those are awesomeness. |
| 01:04.56 | cbreak | < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_ice_cream |
| 01:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yay edamame! |
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| 01:05.17 | WobWork | edemame do not make good dessert =( |
| 01:05.20 | Lunessa | Shirik: For example, I could say, "Would you like to share a pizza with your non-gender-specific sexual partner?" And make everyone look at me funny. |
| 01:05.23 | Tuller | I don't recall ever having fried icecream |
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| 01:05.33 | WobWork | deep fried ice cream is nice |
| 01:05.56 | Lunessa | Tuller - log out, got immediately to a mexican restaurant and change your life. |
| 01:06.29 | Tuller | if I mentioned i'm diabetic, that might help :P |
| 01:07.10 | WobWork | =( |
| 01:07.17 | WobWork | You could order it |
| 01:07.18 | Lunessa | Tuller: I feel your pain. I'm hypoglycemic. Sowwy man. |
| 01:07.22 | WobWork | then look longingly at it =\ |
| 01:07.35 | Tuller | bah you don't know hypoglycemia :P |
| 01:07.43 | cbreak | I am sure there are chemicals that can help |
| 01:07.54 | WobWork | get an epipen full of insulin =) |
| 01:08.00 | Lunessa | Smell the heady aroma. Bask in the lovely delight that crosses the faces of those who indulge. |
| 01:10.36 | Tuller | next up: someone convince me to not buy a laptop solely to use to watch dvds on when I travel every other weekendish :P |
| 01:10.52 | Tuller | well, and occasional check of the email |
| 01:11.05 | Iriel | tuller better that than one of those lame 'portable dvd players' |
| 01:11.15 | Iriel | Though perhaps an ipod video would be cheaper? |
| 01:11.26 | Tuller | trick is: dvd playback :P |
| 01:11.43 | cbreak | buy a computer with enough power to play back h264 movies, and you don't need to rely on hardware discs |
| 01:11.58 | cbreak | (not that you would need anyway :) |
| 01:11.59 | Tuller | to a degree |
| 01:12.42 | cbreak | I watched lots of movies while traveling to and from university |
| 01:13.23 | Dashkal | This paradox is fun: http://pw0nd.com/2008/10/04/paradox/ |
| 01:13.45 | Dashkal | I had to fire up dia to figure out what was going on |
| 01:13.46 | Tuller | the trick is rentals stillish |
| 01:13.47 | Dewin | Heh. |
| 01:13.51 | Dewin | I know that one :) |
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| 01:14.55 | Dewin | oh. |
| 01:14.58 | Dewin | Blah. Queue time probably |
| 01:16.12 | Dewin | yup. Only 560 though |
| 01:16.22 | Dewin | wtb free server transfers |
| 01:16.23 | bleeter | kd3: did you end up trying the akmod thing? I've decided to try it with the new beastie I'm building |
| 01:17.36 | kd3 | nah |
| 01:17.47 | kd3 | just refusing to touch my system atm since everything's working |
| 01:19.08 | bleeter | fairynuff |
| 01:20.42 | Dewin | so... our overcrowded server has free server transfers... from a RP server to a non-RP server. >.> /sigh |
| 01:21.49 | Lopeppeppy | That might help you free up spaces from those who don't want to be on an RP server. |
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| 01:22.26 | Dewin | heh. This is true. |
| 01:22.30 | Dewin | Maybe we'll see more RP |
| 01:23.41 | Dewin | I am so sick and tired of my wife's raid array failing. |
| 01:23.53 | Dewin | It's the controller that's bad, not the drives. |
| 01:25.27 | Dewin | Her computer just crashed and came up thinking it has two separate degraded RAID arrays instead of 1 intact one. New failure mode! |
| 01:25.47 | Codayus_ | That *IS* an interesting failure. |
| 01:25.48 | Iriel | Dewin: what controller? |
| 01:25.55 | Codayus_ | Onboard fakeraid or a real controller? |
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| 01:26.31 | Dewin | fakeraid. |
| 01:26.52 | Dewin | The exact same setup I have, only difference is she has 2x250GB mirrored, whereas I have 4x250GB RAID 5'd |
| 01:26.53 | Codayus_ | Yar? What chip? |
| 01:26.54 | Dewin | Mine works flawlessly. |
| 01:26.59 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 01:27.02 | Dewin | ehh, one of the nvraid ones |
| 01:27.07 | Codayus_ | Ah |
| 01:27.27 | Codayus_ | Only ever played with the Intel ICHxR series. |
| 01:27.31 | Dewin | I seriously doubt it's the drives, since they all test okay, and I doubt I'd get 3 consecutive defective drives from Seagate in different capacities. |
| 01:28.18 | Dewin | The funny thing is, at one point in building my machine all 4 of my drives fell off the thing they were standing on and they all work fine. |
| 01:29.47 | Dewin | I wonder if there's some firmware update or something that fixes it. |
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| 01:41.08 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:41.23 | Amarande | that green health bar on a death knight -is- supposed to be non-full at least -occasionally- isn't it? |
| 01:44.42 | MentalPower | nop |
| 01:45.05 | MentalPower | a deathknight's health is fixed at 100% |
| 01:46.18 | Dewin | Unless they try jumping off of Aldor Tier. |
| 01:46.32 | Dewin | That's a bug though, scheduled to be fixed in the next patch. |
| 01:47.06 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:47.32 | sacarasc | hehe |
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| 01:47.44 | Esamynn | Amarande: if you were making that observation of a low 60 DK in Outland, their starting gear is REALLY OP |
| 01:49.17 | Amarande | actually, I was making that observation of a level 58 DK in Eastern Plaguelands |
| 01:49.35 | Esamynn | a DK would be the ultimate 50-59 bracket BG twink |
| 01:50.02 | Amarande | I decided I would quest the Plaguelands and Silithus before I go to Outland |
| 01:50.55 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:50.59 | Amarande | I wonder if a DK can solo Araj |
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| 01:51.59 | Amarande | or if I'll -still- have to get a group to finish the Scholomance key |
| 01:52.07 | Codayus_ | Mmm, my 60ish DK in starting blues can tear through Helfire about four times faster than my old lvl 60 warrior in a mix of lvl 60 blues and MC/ZG epics. And about 10 times safer. :) |
| 01:52.29 | Codayus_ | I believe that difference vanishes in the 70s though. |
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| 01:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | "You are not prepared", that was the tagline for TBC, correct? |
| 01:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That was the one that everyone took and ran with yeah |
| 01:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure if we have official taglines, hmm |
| 01:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay, it works for me. |
| 01:55.07 | Corrodias | after that lenght beta, i daresay wrath's is more like "You are prepared, and some of you finished already." |
| 01:55.14 | Corrodias | *lengthy |
| 01:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | "Envy my undead dragon ally, bwa-ha-ha!" |
| 01:56.10 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man. doing the giant boss in halls of stone, with tank and 2 melee. I watch the two melee happily run back in after the ground slam and gib themselves |
| 01:56.10 | |Jelly| | Sure am glad this instance could eat my character on a night that I wanted to actually level. |
| 01:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom. |
| 01:58.17 | Lopeppeppy | The queue is eating my desire to level. |
| 01:58.35 | Codayus_ | Eh, TBC has a huge beta too... |
| 01:59.00 | |Jelly| | I think I'd rather have a queue. At least then I'm not in game ... with it taunting me. |
| 01:59.03 | |Jelly| | I can't even /logout |
| 02:00.49 | Codayus_ | :( |
| 02:01.12 | kd3 | hm... the explorer, the seeker. now I need the loremaster |
| 02:01.17 | |Jelly| | Yeah. Annoyed. |
| 02:01.29 | Lopeppeppy | I am the Keymaster! |
| 02:01.55 | Dewin | hmm |
| 02:01.57 | NightHawkTheSane | I am the gatekeeper! |
| 02:02.11 | Dewin | Does anybody know of a good fix for the CreateFrame framelevel bug since 3.x? |
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| 02:03.04 | Dewin | tired of having 90% of my UI randomly broken |
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| 02:03.41 | Esamynn | framelevel bug? |
| 02:04.03 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:04.25 | Dewin | For some reason, most of my addons get their frames created with the framelevels in the complete opposite order of what they should be. |
| 02:04.42 | Dewin | Also effects the glyph UI and other things |
| 02:04.57 | Esamynn | uhhh |
| 02:05.13 | Dewin | Happens to my wife as well. |
| 02:05.21 | kd3 | methinks you've got a busted mod breaking something core |
| 02:05.50 | Dewin | yeah. I'd love to know which one. It's been an issue since patch 3.x, and various combinations of enabling/disabling do not fix it. |
| 02:06.15 | Dewin | Binary search isn't reliable either, because sometimes it works anyways. |
| 02:07.10 | Tuller | I've had that happen a few timesish |
| 02:07.21 | Dewin | "A bug in the blizzard CreateFrame API which can cause a frames background to appear above its foreground, item tooltips won't appear and and it's impossible to click on anything in the window" is what ArkInventory has to say about it |
| 02:07.46 | Dewin | I know it's not caused by ArkInventory because my wife doesn't use it. |
| 02:07.51 | Shirik | Have they managed to duplicate it, or only say "This is a Blizzard bug and we can't do anything about it" |
| 02:09.21 | WobWork | http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/11/16/beautiful-examples-of-tilt-shift-photography/ |
| 02:09.24 | Dewin | Shirik: Considering I've encountered it with ArkInventory, AtlasLoot, the glyph UI (no mods should touch it), and altoholic... |
| 02:09.44 | Shirik | "Because it happens often with addons installed, it must be a Blizzard bug" |
| 02:09.56 | Amarande | I wonder how many folks cry ninja when people use the DK 'yank' spell |
| 02:10.08 | Shirik | I'm not disagreeing with you, I just have yet to see any proof that this is a Blizzard bug, or where it might come from |
| 02:10.14 | Shirik | Because I certainly don't have the problem |
| 02:10.20 | WobWork | Amarande: I call it DeathGrief |
| 02:10.27 | Esamynn | Dewin: I haven't had any problems, whatsoever with the Glyph UI |
| 02:11.00 | WobWork | and it's ever so amusing in a 5dk party |
| 02:11.08 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:11.09 | kd3 | ping-pong |
| 02:11.14 | WobWork | mobs flying around like Cirque de Soleil |
| 02:12.15 | WobWork | hm, what's a good twohander in the starting outland instances? |
| 02:12.20 | Codayus_ | Amarande: Really, it's not exactly different than charge...sorta... :-) |
| 02:12.23 | WobWork | I need something to work towards |
| 02:12.25 | Lopeppeppy | I loved playing pong when i was leveling my rogue with another rogue... |
| 02:12.29 | Codayus_ | WobWork: Ramparts has a good sword |
| 02:12.58 | Codayus_ | And by sword, I mean polearm. Oops. |
| 02:13.05 | Codayus_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24044 |
| 02:13.29 | Dewin | Esamynn: What do you use for addons? |
| 02:13.32 | WobWork | woo I like |
| 02:13.43 | WobWork | end chest, eh? |
| 02:13.46 | Esamynn | nothing you've mentioned |
| 02:13.48 | WobWork | I'll have to run til I get it |
| 02:14.03 | Codayus_ | WobWork: There's also an axe in Furnace (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24394) |
| 02:14.24 | Codayus_ | Bit fast of course; if your a DK you realy - REALLY - want slow 2h weapons. Really. |
| 02:14.40 | WobWork | 3.1? |
| 02:14.55 | WobWork | well that's true |
| 02:17.50 | Codayus_ | If you can wait for underbog, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24461 is pretty fantastic. |
| 02:26.32 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:26.39 | Amarande | aurora skycaller's robe is the AQ40 robe, right? |
| 02:33.23 | Amarande | wow, what a useless debuff, too :) |
| 02:33.28 | Amarande | "intellect reduced by 20%" |
| 02:33.31 | Amarande | do DKs use int for anything at all? |
| 02:33.58 | Corrodias | "durr.. wut is a roon?" |
| 02:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Roon, it's a baby raccoon, right? |
| 02:36.56 | End | oh noes, I'm seeking Dr. Terrible |
| 02:36.59 | mikma | so what's the deal with these Underbelly Elix(i/e)r's? :D is it an intentional or a typo? |
| 02:37.07 | End | I wonder if he is related to Dr. Horrible in any way |
| 02:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 02:43.25 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
| 02:44.36 | AbsoRayne | I love The Skybreaker....easily one of the coolest things ever. |
| 02:45.05 | WobWork | Amarande: no they don't |
| 02:45.15 | WobWork | nothing spell related, really I don't think |
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| 02:45.59 | AbsoRayne | aw, bye Lope :( |
| 02:50.53 | Corrodias | why is it so hard to find an illustration or diagram online that explains some common distances in meters or feet? |
| 02:53.56 | Thunder_Child | lol Corrodias, while look i did happen to come across this interesting image http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/comparison/comparison_large.png |
| 02:53.56 | Corrodias | damn! i'm just going to go outside in the dark and mark 20 feet on my damn lawn |
| 02:54.02 | Thunder_Child | looking* |
| 02:54.07 | Corrodias | hah, nice |
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| 02:59.03 | WobWork | Corrodias: here are some! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremes_on_Earth |
| 02:59.43 | WobWork | what are you trying to get anyway? |
| 02:59.51 | Thunder_Child | thats not a visual comparison anyway |
| 03:00.00 | WobWork | sure it is... if you've seen the mountains |
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| 03:01.30 | Thunder_Child | BattleForge makes me want to kill small babies |
| 03:08.19 | bleeter | kd3: so what kinda errors did you get? admittedly, I'm trying th 96xx variant, but it goes all 'flashy' then does not much at all |
| 03:08.58 | bleeter | kd3: I'm looking at the nvidia site, wondering which native package you went with, 171.06.01 release Apr 18, or 173.08 released April XX (Nvidia's XX, not mine) |
| 03:09.25 | bleeter | kd3: and yes, of course after reading your comments yesterday and stuff I did manage to throw away my .26 kernels :/ |
| 03:10.20 | bleeter | oh, hmm... maybe I shouldn't have been trying the 96xx driver anyways |
| 03:10.40 | kd3 | something about gl being broken |
| 03:10.51 | kd3 | the nvidia-display window says glx is working but wine sure as hell can't find it |
| 03:10.58 | kd3 | glxgears was getting ~400fps |
| 03:11.24 | kd3 | s/says/said/, s/can't/couldn't/ |
| 03:12.44 | bleeter | yeah, looking similar here too |
| 03:13.12 | bleeter | silly me, I thought the 96xx driver would be suitable for my 'new' 9600 GT 512mb card... HAH how wrong :/ |
| 03:15.08 | bleeter | ah, hmm... k, i think I'm on this nm me. i'll ping you again, kd3, if I need to inanely ramble some more ;) |
| 03:15.26 | kd3 | aight |
| 03:17.05 | bleeter | '96xx refers to the version of the driver, not the model # of the card' << could stuff get more annoyingly confusing haha |
| 03:17.27 | bleeter | trying the 'standard' akmod now |
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| 03:18.49 | Corrodias | i assume it's veresion 96.xx then |
| 03:19.03 | Corrodias | phht, typos abound today |
| 03:20.22 | bleeter | nah, the '.' (I shudder using the word period) in Fedora packages has a specific delimter meaning |
| 03:25.42 | Corrodias | are we not talking about driver versions? |
| 03:27.11 | bleeter | kd3: well, after getting 'the right' akmod installed, only had a bit of a minor issue with the Display section not having 1440x900 in it for an available mode |
| 03:27.35 | bleeter | kd3: celestia's working a treat, glxinfo's showing it's all OK... time to copy WoW from the NTFS partition |
| 03:27.54 | bleeter | Corrodias: kernel modules to be more precise |
| 03:28.05 | kd3 | is that f10's code name? never heard the result of the poll |
| 03:28.22 | bleeter | kd3: ?? Cambridge is F10 |
| 03:28.35 | kd3 | <bleeter> kd3: celestia's working a treat, |
| 03:28.59 | bleeter | kd3: Celestia the space simulator, a 'good' try out of DRI and stuff |
| 03:29.04 | kd3 | ah |
| 03:29.08 | bleeter | drags the system to a grind if one doesn't have it |
| 03:29.32 | bleeter | hmm, might have to winecfg. 'failed to find a suitable display device' says Wine |
| 03:30.37 | bleeter | rm -fr ~/.wine* |
| 03:30.38 | bleeter | bah |
| 03:36.40 | Thunder_Child | ~fail bleeter |
| 03:36.41 | purl | bleeter, you Fail! |
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| 03:45.52 | Amarande | this quest just makes one go awww |
| 03:46.00 | Amarande | I'm not even sure the poor little ghost realizes she's dead |
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| 03:47.48 | WobWork | interesting |
| 03:47.57 | WobWork | I never knew the 'imperial' system was called the 'customary' system |
| 03:48.01 | Amarande | also, minor UI glitch: attempting to drink a mana potion with a class who doesn't have mana gives "you are shapeshifted" or the like |
| 03:49.39 | bleeter | kd3: please jog my memory, are you running x86 or x86_64? |
| 03:52.19 | kd3 | _64 |
| 03:53.32 | bleeter | thanks |
| 03:54.58 | bleeter | gunna try building a _64 wine, see if that makes much difference |
| 03:59.28 | WobWork | I take it Part 1 ended with a cliffhanger? |
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| 04:00.29 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: a truly wonderful zombie film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/ |
| 04:00.35 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, no |
| 04:00.53 | WobWork | that's Black Sheep, no? |
| 04:00.58 | bleeter | WobWork: yar |
| 04:02.38 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 04:03.26 | mikma | argh! maintenance =( |
| 04:03.36 | mikma | ~wowstatus |
| 04:03.50 | mikma | okay |
| 04:04.15 | Amarande | "Corpse of Imstupid" |
| 04:04.20 | Amarande | well, that might explain why he's a corpse |
| 04:04.27 | End | haha |
| 04:07.11 | MentalPower | ~wowalert |
| 04:07.12 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 04:08.24 | mikma | so, what happens at scheduled maintenance? |
| 04:08.28 | kd3 | whee, northrend just crashed |
| 04:08.35 | kd3 | the hamsters get massages |
| 04:10.06 | bleeter | hmm, gnutls 32bit might be handy |
| 04:10.24 | bleeter | bah, stuffit... shouldn't be needed to find a display |
| 04:11.08 | kd3 | yay! beat the npcs back to the server again |
| 04:11.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, what are you crying about, thats sounds lovely |
| 04:12.30 | WobWork | the hamster gets some broccoli |
| 04:13.39 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0E-0ntoNWo |
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| 04:18.07 | Amarande | yay, no more worrying about mossflayer scouts |
| 04:18.16 | Amarande | yank, chains of ice, wail on, problem solved |
| 04:19.39 | Amarande | And people complain and wish DKs had a 'normal taunt' :| |
| 04:19.41 | Shirik | bleeter: Go compile an FPGA |
| 04:19.45 | Shirik | then you can complain about compile time |
| 04:20.28 | Amarande | Shirik: Or my favorite example of compile time |
| 04:20.35 | Amarande | the time I tried to compile XFree86 on a 486-66 with 8MB RAM |
| 04:21.15 | sacarasc | how many weeks did that take? |
| 04:22.52 | Amarande | sacarasc: about fourteen hours |
| 04:23.48 | Amarande | hmm, am I correct that just -entering- IQD gives you ten free achievement points? |
| 04:24.01 | sacarasc | not that bad then |
| 04:25.16 | sacarasc | probably |
| 04:25.51 | sacarasc | the movie sucked |
| 04:25.57 | duaiwe | meh, it was alright |
| 04:26.17 | Amarande | heh, or 35 achievement points in my case |
| 04:26.25 | Amarande | since by that point IQD will be all that is left of explore eastern kingdoms |
| 04:26.35 | NightHawkTheSane | but i'm referring to the seriese |
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| 04:32.02 | mikma | you should be able to buy some really epic stuff with your achievement points =/ |
| 04:32.39 | mikma | amarande: whats iqd? |
| 04:32.40 | End | who the hell is this Matthias Lehner! |
| 04:32.50 | kd3 | we don't know |
| 04:32.58 | kd3 | his name's an anagram, I'll leave you to figure that out |
| 04:33.09 | Amarande | Mikk: isle of quel'danas |
| 04:33.21 | Amarande | hmm, quest bug that's -still- never been fixed, too |
| 04:33.48 | Amarande | if you turn Defenders of Darrowshire in to Carlin Redpath -before- you turn in Uncle Carlin, he'll try to give you Defenders of Darrowshire again |
| 04:33.53 | mikma | amarande: fail, btw |
| 04:34.21 | bleeter | hmmm, real 21m30s, user 18m10s, sys2m20s |
| 04:34.26 | bleeter | i've seen worse |
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| 04:48.25 | bleeter | kd3: check wine bug #13335... I'm having 'fun' applying, but ... it's making me wonder |
| 04:48.43 | bleeter | kd3: comment #96 is what's got me wondering |
| 04:49.45 | kd3 | hm |
| 04:50.10 | bleeter | and.. it might explain the oddness that adys was seing with regard to alleged leakage, too |
| 04:50.35 | bleeter | iirc he's on nvidia too, and if there was a buggy driver exposing this wine behaviour, etc. etc. |
| 04:52.54 | End | zomg, I totally just owned illidan! |
| 04:54.16 | Corrodias | solo? |
| 04:54.38 | Corrodias | is a place like ZG soloable yet, by the way? |
| 04:55.03 | End | yes, solo |
| 04:55.15 | End | I, Prince Arthas, totally pwned Illidan Stormrage! |
| 04:55.53 | Kaso | Anyone know APT? With apt is there a way to see what files are provided by a certain package? or what package provided a certain file? |
| 05:00.18 | End | kd3: well, the kid does have suspiciously yellow hair |
| 05:04.23 | bleeter | kd3: here's an interesting error from WINEDEBUG=+wgl, 'Direct3D9 is not available without opengl'. So I'm gunna recompile and force the opengl via ./configure switch, see what that may do |
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| 05:16.29 | bleeter | kd3: the more I poke around, the more I'm thinking it is 13335. I'm now looking at 14689, which has a very similar situation. WINEDEBUG=+wgl indicates 'direct rendering enabled: False' yet glxinfo (and stuff like celestia) is showing it's working |
| 05:17.32 | bleeter | kd3: If I had an ATI card, I'd enable UseFastTLS in Xorg and cross my fingers, but I don't... so I can't haha |
| 05:19.35 | Tekkub | hrm... average price of NR herbs on my realm dropped by a third |
| 05:23.41 | bleeter | kd3: I'll return to this tommorrow, or the weekend |
| 05:24.00 | bleeter | kd3: looking at the traces though, something smells real fishy |
| 05:27.50 | Corrodias | it may be albacore |
| 05:34.23 | Thunder_Child | i know how i want to respond to that...but i dont want to get in trouble |
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| 06:01.51 | Tem | We now declare your island the Dethklok home for wayward kitties. |
| 06:01.57 | Tem | RELEASE THE KITTIES |
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| 06:05.19 | ZorbaTHut | haha, someone just told me that questhelper got them first-80 |
| 06:05.37 | ZorbaTHut | because the two people in the lead relied on it, and when it stopped working perfectly in the high-level zones, he was able to pass them through his ability to read quest text |
| 06:05.38 | Zahavit | lol? |
| 06:05.50 | Zahavit | haha |
| 06:05.52 | mikma | their first lvl80? ;) |
| 06:06.07 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know if it was server-first or server-first-(class)/(race) |
| 06:06.11 | Zahavit | There was actually a really good 70-80 guide available from beta players. |
| 06:06.14 | ZorbaTHut | but apparently one of the server-firsts :) |
| 06:06.40 | Zahavit | well. There still is a really good 70-80 guide |
| 06:07.22 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:07.25 | Amarande | regarding the Epic achievement: |
| 06:07.43 | Amarande | * do you have to (under normal circumstances) invest the real-life money in a loot card so that you can get the only epic tabards I know of? |
| 06:08.10 | Amarande | * also, can 2H wielders e.g. DKs get that achievement with normal gear or do they have to get a dual wield or shield-based set in order to qualify? |
| 06:08.20 | Amarande | * are there any epic shirts? :) |
| 06:09.27 | mikma | zahavit: link or it didnt exist |
| 06:10.01 | Zahavit | http://wtbblue.com/questing-guides |
| 06:10.06 | Zahavit | Most have video's on youtube. |
| 06:10.08 | Zahavit | With how to do the quest |
| 06:10.17 | Zahavit | From quest giver to end. |
| 06:10.50 | Zahavit | Not personally using it, but it's creator supposedly got first 80 on his server. |
| 06:11.10 | Zahavit | So I can't vouch for it |
| 06:25.02 | smcn | questhelper is funny in storm peaks |
| 06:29.52 | mikma | how come |
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| 06:40.02 | bleeter | ahttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12890939457&sid=1 |
| 06:41.09 | bleeter | kd3: actually, the more I think about it... if I could be bothered looking at the .26<>.27 kernel changes... it's probably in there. I give up, I think I'll take your path until there's a newer kernel ;) |
| 06:42.31 | End | stupid past me! |
| 06:42.35 | End | my equipment got -two- upgrades! |
| 06:42.37 | End | not just one! |
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| 06:45.41 | Dewin | Did someone say something about having a binary search macro for trying to figure out what addon is causing difficulties? |
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| 06:50.19 | Dewin | I've decided I want to try to nail down this framelevel bug >.> |
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| 06:50.58 | bleeter | disable half, see if it errors. if it doesn't, disable the other half. then watch the error. then disable half of those, see if it errors, so on and so forth. |
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| 06:53.43 | Dewin | bleeter: Someone said they had a macro of some sort that did it, so I was assuming there might be a similiar but smarter way. |
| 06:54.00 | Dewin | It also doesn't help that the issue I have is sometimes fixed with a straight reloadUI, so I might have it fixed then it'll turn out it isn't |
| 06:54.43 | Dewin | I know what's going on, I don't know *why* |
| 06:55.09 | Dewin | and now it's spread to altoholic in addition to about 4 other addons >.> |
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| 06:56.28 | Dewin | - /dtframestack, for instance, will show all of the frames at MEDIUM framestrata (save for UIParent/etc) in completely backwards order |
| 06:56.53 | Dewin | So I'll somehow see the items at a merchant, but all are non-interactive unless I manually /script frame:SetFrameLevel(...) |
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| 07:03.34 | Dewin | AtlasLoot looks like it even has workaround code and it gets hit with the issue alot >.> |
| 07:05.05 | mikma | too damn many ways for good dk build =( |
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| 07:06.47 | Tekkub | ah humans... "Need help?" ... "Why yes Worf, I do!" |
| 07:10.15 | Tekkub | I need to get out of SW |
| 07:14.42 | mikma | like gm once said to me: "all the cool cats hang in sw" |
| 07:21.25 | Amarande | aww |
| 07:21.30 | Amarande | I was hoping the elite would be in the hearthglen tower |
| 07:21.39 | Amarande | these plaguelands mobs are proving wimpy versus Melamorea's might |
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| 07:30.38 | Dewin | Interesting. Blizzard actually changes the color of the buttons when you select a DK toon on the character list. Never noticed that. |
| 07:35.51 | mikma | i noticed that one on beta |
| 07:39.02 | KarlKFI | What's the Achievement popup frame called? |
| 07:40.15 | mikma | wild guess, AchievementFrame |
| 07:40.35 | KarlKFI | AchievementAlertFrame# |
| 07:42.21 | mikma | ohh that one in bottom of screen |
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| 07:46.07 | KarlKFI | good. you can drag it with FluidFrames! I love generic code |
| 07:47.40 | KarlKFI | they're even dynamic frames. they don't get created until you get an achievement |
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| 08:07.48 | Dewin | alright... I've resorted to the forums. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12890869449&sid=1 |
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| 08:09.28 | Dewin | and... keylogger spam on the ui & macros forums. |
| 08:10.39 | Amarande | and ... The Ranger Lord's Behest is MUCH, MUCH easier as a DK than it was as an aff lock |
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| 08:11.25 | Dewin | Wow... that was fast |
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| 08:13.25 | Amarande | I went in expecting to have trouble like I did on the lock |
| 08:13.40 | Amarande | I took (very lame) names and kicked butt. |
| 08:14.34 | Amarande | I've always wondered why these mobs have lame names |
| 08:16.57 | Amarande | most mobs that are named for their class, they at least say "So-and-So Ranger" or "So-and-So Warrior" |
| 08:17.05 | Amarande | these ones are just "Ranger", "Woodsman", and "Pathstrider" |
| 08:18.04 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/funny-pictures-your-cat-is-almost-level-68.jpg |
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| 08:50.54 | KarlKFI | 7th Legion Siege Engineer says: It doesn't make any sense. Why don't they just fly Naxxramas over Wintergarde Keep and blow it up? I mean, that's what I would do if I were Kel'Thuzad. |
| 08:53.18 | Amarande | heh, I'm still being offered the original Naxxramas attunement quest |
| 08:53.21 | Amarande | wonder why they didn't take it out |
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| 08:57.04 | Cronoh | Question from a noob: How can I "Dump" the arguments being returned on a function? |
| 08:57.51 | Thunder_Child | exlax |
| 08:57.59 | Cronoh | =/ |
| 08:58.11 | Thunder_Child | ^ answer from a noob |
| 08:58.35 | Cronoh | do you know how the "Select()" function works? :x |
| 08:58.39 | Cronoh | lioke |
| 08:58.47 | Cronoh | local whatever = select(1, ...) ? |
| 08:59.20 | Thunder_Child | no, but then i dont hang around here to code, i hang around here to be an asshole, you will have to wait for some one more knowledgeable to help you |
| 09:00.14 | Cronoh | ah |
| 09:00.32 | clad|sleep | Cronoh: what do you want to know/; |
| 09:00.34 | clad|sleep | !api select |
| 09:00.34 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'select' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-select |
| 09:00.45 | clad|sleep | Any reason why that documentation is not sufficient? |
| 09:00.45 | Thunder_Child | farther up clad|sleep |
| 09:00.56 | cladhaire | well he asked two questions |
| 09:01.11 | Thunder_Child | oh, i thought the other was just at me |
| 09:01.15 | Thunder_Child | nvm me then |
| 09:01.25 | cladhaire | yeah I dunno, hence why I'm asking :P |
| 09:01.39 | Cronoh | clad |
| 09:01.59 | Cronoh | basically, im just trying to make an event fire when i use Tricks of The Trade on someone |
| 09:02.13 | cladhaire | You can't (and should not) EVER make an event fire |
| 09:02.28 | Cronoh | new to lua and stuff, trying to use the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 09:02.31 | cladhaire | so I suspect you're either using the wrong terminology or are trying to do something that doesn't make sense :P |
| 09:02.31 | Cronoh | wait no? |
| 09:02.47 | cladhaire | Are you trying to _do_ something, when you use Tricks of The Trade? |
| 09:02.51 | Cronoh | yes |
| 09:02.53 | cladhaire | If so, what are you trying to do? |
| 09:02.59 | Cronoh | like send a message to chat |
| 09:02.59 | Cronoh | is all |
| 09:03.00 | Cronoh | lol |
| 09:03.34 | cladhaire | Okay, do you have a frame? Have you registered for the event? Do you have an event handler? |
| 09:04.04 | Cronoh | i have an event handler, just not exactly sure how this whole part works (Do you mind if i paste just some one liners in here? I know pastebin, but its only one line) |
| 09:04.20 | cladhaire | if there is more than one line, use pastey |
| 09:04.23 | Cronoh | local timestamp, type, sourceGUID, sourceName, sourceFlags, destGUID, destName, destFlags = select(1, ...) |
| 09:04.36 | cladhaire | you don't need to use select there |
| 09:04.40 | Cronoh | I'm not sure how that select() is working in there |
| 09:04.41 | cladhaire | but okay |
| 09:04.46 | cladhaire | well its not necessary |
| 09:04.51 | Cronoh | oh, i pulled it from the WoW API on WoWWiki |
| 09:05.01 | cladhaire | lua> select(1, "alpha", "beta", "gamma") |
| 09:05.02 | lua_bot | cladhaire: alpha, beta, gamma |
| 09:05.04 | cladhaire | lua> select(2, "alpha", "beta", "gamma") |
| 09:05.05 | lua_bot | cladhaire: beta, gamma |
| 09:05.07 | cladhaire | lua> select(3, "alpha", "beta", "gamma") |
| 09:05.07 | lua_bot | cladhaire: gamma |
| 09:05.10 | cladhaire | That is how select works |
| 09:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ... "/use Tricks of the Trade; /run SendChatMessage("some text", "PARTY");" wouldn't work? >.> |
| 09:05.18 | ReAn | hey cladhaire |
| 09:05.24 | cladhaire | ReAn: hi |
| 09:05.46 | Cronoh | well, im asuing an event so that if i hit the key, and spell isnt actually succesfully used, the event wouldnt fire |
| 09:05.50 | Cronoh | using* |
| 09:05.57 | cladhaire | fair enough |
| 09:06.00 | Cronoh | sorry, the message wouldnt be sent* |
| 09:06.01 | cladhaire | and makes sense |
| 09:06.35 | Cronoh | so, i dont even need to set those variables? Let me pastey my code, one second |
| 09:07.08 | cladhaire | Why can't you use the example on Wowwiki? |
| 09:07.17 | Cronoh | i pretty much am |
| 09:07.22 | cladhaire | and what is the problem,? |
| 09:08.04 | Cronoh | im getting an error for concatentate or something, let me look again |
| 09:08.05 | Cronoh | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102212 |
| 09:08.34 | cladhaire | because |
| 09:08.39 | cladhaire | you try and concatenate spellname |
| 09:08.41 | cladhaire | which you don't retrieve |
| 09:08.44 | cladhaire | because you didn't include that code. |
| 09:09.28 | cladhaire | local spellId, spellName, spellSchool = select(9, ...) |
| 09:09.30 | Cronoh | well, sorry thats where i was a bit confused, in the select(), what does the "..." mean? because on WoW Wiki it says i can just do local event = select(2, ...) |
| 09:09.44 | cladhaire | >< |
| 09:09.47 | Cronoh | :[ |
| 09:09.51 | cladhaire | You're focusing on the wrong thing. |
| 09:10.07 | cladhaire | in order to understand ..., you need to read the Lua Reference Manual |
| 09:10.09 | Cronoh | i understand, im not setting up the spellNAme variable is what you're saying |
| 09:10.12 | cladhaire | or some other suitable document such as my book |
| 09:10.16 | cladhaire | yes |
| 09:10.19 | cladhaire | you left that line of code out |
| 09:10.23 | cladhaire | when it is on wowwiki |
| 09:10.44 | Cronoh | oh wow |
| 09:10.54 | Cronoh | god i am blind sorry i tottally didnt see that |
| 09:10.58 | cladhaire | its okay |
| 09:11.12 | cladhaire | Let me talk through that code with you |
| 09:11.23 | cladhaire | the function Foo_OnEvent(self, event, ...) |
| 09:11.43 | Amarande | so ... can you get the Tabard of the Explorer or the Explorer title yet, or are necessary parts of Northrend still blocked off due to not-yet-existent raid related places? |
| 09:11.55 | cladhaire | it will be called with the frame that is handling the event, the name of the event (a string) and ..., which is any number of other arguments |
| 09:12.09 | cladhaire | since you're using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT there will be at least 8 arguments |
| 09:12.29 | cladhaire | since you are using a SPELL event, there will be another three (the spellId, spellName and spellSchool) |
| 09:12.38 | Cronoh | right |
| 09:12.59 | cladhaire | You get the first 8 arguments, which are timestamp, type, sourceGuid, sourceName, sourceFlags, destGUID, destName, and destFlags |
| 09:13.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you can get them. |
| 09:13.09 | cladhaire | then you get the spellId, name and school |
| 09:13.14 | cladhaire | and print your message |
| 09:13.17 | cladhaire | thats i1 |
| 09:13.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: nyi content is not part of any achievement currently in game |
| 09:13.27 | Thunder_Child | 1 != t |
| 09:14.03 | Cronoh | cool, let me ask you this, is it possible to emulate /cast SpellNAme (Like you would in a macro) in lua? |
| 09:14.09 | Cronoh | or with the WoW API, i mean |
| 09:14.13 | cladhaire | yes |
| 09:14.31 | Cronoh | Hmm, I was looking through the API and didn't see it, do you know offhand which one it is? |
| 09:14.48 | cladhaire | you can't call a function |
| 09:14.53 | cladhaire | again, this is all covered in the book |
| 09:14.57 | NightHawkTheSane | You need to use secure templats |
| 09:15.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (and in a number of places on the wiki) |
| 09:15.34 | cladhaire | Cronoh: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102213 should do what you want it to |
| 09:16.16 | Cronoh | thank you, can you tell me where you find the spellIds? |
| 09:16.22 | cladhaire | wowhead |
| 09:16.27 | Cronoh | makes sense >.< |
| 09:16.32 | cladhaire | or you can get them in-game |
| 09:16.35 | cladhaire | but wowhead lists all versions of the spell |
| 09:16.38 | cladhaire | in most cases |
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| 09:24.28 | Cronoh | thank you much, one last question |
| 09:24.48 | Cronoh | is there a way to "dump" all of that stuff without just adding each one into like a send chat message |
| 09:25.19 | cladhaire | all of the arguments? |
| 09:25.24 | cladhaire | you could do print(...) |
| 09:25.28 | cladhaire | that should print it to the chatframe |
| 09:25.38 | Cronoh | oo, nice |
| 09:25.45 | Cronoh | thank you |
| 09:28.34 | Cronoh | so you said, like, for exmaple inside of this function, i cant make it use a spell? |
| 09:29.21 | cladhaire | no |
| 09:29.34 | cladhaire | you can NEVER do any protected action in response to anything other than user input |
| 09:29.48 | Cronoh | hmm okay |
| 09:30.00 | Cronoh | can I access variables set up in my addon |
| 09:30.04 | Cronoh | in the macros window? |
| 09:34.37 | cladhaire | If they are global variables, yes |
| 09:34.42 | cladhaire | what are you trying to do? |
| 09:34.49 | cladhaire | As an end result |
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| 09:36.44 | Cronoh | well |
| 09:37.24 | Cronoh | im a rogue (obviously) and we jsut got tricks of the trade (basicalyl mis-direct), I wanted to be able to set a target (You have to target who you want to use it on, then attack to xfer the threat) |
| 09:37.38 | cladhaire | well there is no way to conditionally cast a spell |
| 09:37.40 | Cronoh | set a target just using like /tott <Tank NAme> or some other way |
| 09:37.50 | cladhaire | You can't set a target via slash command |
| 09:37.54 | cladhaire | not like that |
| 09:38.13 | Cronoh | well i mean |
| 09:38.25 | cladhaire | You will have to target the unit and cast the spell (certainly these two things could be macroed) |
| 09:38.30 | Cronoh | i was going to use it like /tott <Tank> to set a variable |
| 09:39.20 | cladhaire | okay.. that doesn't get around anything |
| 09:39.22 | Cronoh | might be a better idea to jut use like a focus target |
| 09:39.43 | Cronoh | but, the problem with just using a macro would be i want to send a chat message |
| 09:39.52 | Cronoh | and im using a macro right now, but it sends the messga eno matter hat |
| 09:39.52 | cladhaire | okay |
| 09:40.01 | cladhaire | what you've written already does this |
| 09:40.04 | cladhaire | I'm not sure what more you need |
| 09:40.04 | Cronoh | i might just use this addon to simply send the chat message whenever i use it |
| 09:40.26 | Cronoh | yeah idk really lol |
| 09:40.47 | cladhaire | then just use the addon, and play the game :P |
| 09:40.51 | cladhaire | sounds like your problem is solved. |
| 09:41.01 | Cronoh | lol |
| 09:41.02 | Cronoh | :D |
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| 09:59.52 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. |
| 09:59.52 | Shiibot | The realms will continue to be offline for maintenance until 13:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 16/11 New realm and free migration |
| 09:59.52 | Shiibot | A new realm has been added with migration opened from existing realms. The migrations will last until at least November 18th. The realm does not allow character creation for now.. New realm: Chamber of Aspects |
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| 10:06.17 | Cronoh | now that you are able to link spells inc hat, how would you go about doing that using the API? Not sure what to search for =x |
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| 10:33.40 | Nom- | argh... got audio lag |
| 10:33.42 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 10:38.47 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mKbnVKdix8 |
| 10:41.34 | WobWork | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42583.html |
| 10:41.37 | WobWork | is also interesting |
| 10:41.40 | WobWork | WoW Retrospective |
| 10:43.35 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. |
| 10:43.35 | Shiibot | The realms will continue to be offline for maintenance until 13:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 16/11 New realm and free migration |
| 10:43.35 | Shiibot | A new realm has been added with migration opened from existing realms. The migrations will last until at least November 18th. The realm does not allow character creation for now.. New realm: Chamber of Aspects |
| 10:50.55 | spode | warcraft retrospective* |
| 10:52.47 | WobWork | It's mostly focused on WoW |
| 10:54.02 | WobWork | it's a bit biased |
| 10:56.57 | zenzelezz | gah, maintenance extended by two hours... |
| 11:08.47 | zenzelezz | it seems to me that the first 65 new points in blacksmithing went much easier than they did in BC |
| 11:08.51 | WobWork | heheh UBRS |
| 11:08.57 | WobWork | I never thought I'd see the inside of that place ever again |
| 11:10.35 | zenzelezz | why are you there? |
| 11:10.39 | zenzelezz | achievements? ;-o |
| 11:11.19 | zenzelezz | if you were so inclined, you could make a bit of gold on my realm opening the UBRS door the week they introduced achievements |
| 11:12.00 | Adys | bleeter: yea Im on nvidia |
| 11:17.54 | clad|away | zenzelezz: still can by leading groups :P |
| 11:18.27 | clad|away | Make up a group, open the door for four people.. rinse and repeat :p |
| 11:19.00 | zenzelezz | clad|away: hehe, possibly :-) |
| 11:20.12 | clad|away | specially considering you can get level 55s the achievement then |
| 11:20.28 | clad|away | I SHALL BE THE FIRST Deathsquid Jenkins! |
| 11:20.37 | clad|away | I want to rename my druid from Draoi to Dora and get the "The Explorer" title. |
| 11:20.39 | clad|away | that would be win |
| 11:20.45 | clad|away | unmitigated win |
| 11:21.01 | zenzelezz | enlighten me, I don't seem to get it |
| 11:22.07 | clad|away | "Dora the Explorer" |
| 11:22.16 | clad|away | http://www.nickjr.co.uk/shows/dora/index.aspx |
| 11:22.33 | clad|away | ah, off to the office, bbl |
| 11:22.45 | zenzelezz | well that explains why I didn't get it |
| 11:22.59 | zenzelezz | personally I'd like "Magellan the Explorer", however you spell it |
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| 11:30.34 | bleeter | Adys: hmmm |
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| 11:33.27 | bleeter | Adys: humour me. kernel version, nvidia version? |
| 11:34.05 | bleeter | Adys: oh, and x86_64 or just x86? |
| 11:34.49 | bleeter | same question really for any other Linux Winers with nVidia and a recent kernel (2.6.25+) |
| 11:35.20 | bleeter | I'm prolly way off target... but my wide of the marks have been known to do a midair 180 and score a direct hit before |
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| 11:49.32 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. |
| 11:49.32 | Shiibot | Update: The realms will continue to be offline for maintenance until 15:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 16/11 New realm and free migration |
| 11:49.32 | Shiibot | A new realm has been added with migration opened from existing realms. The migrations will last until at least November 18th. The realm does not allow character creation for now.. New realm: Chamber of Aspects |
| 11:50.00 | leethal | yay, first 80 on new realm competition coming up |
| 11:50.17 | leethal | and now that people thought they were gonna get some sleep! |
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| 11:51.13 | spode | eh, but the realm doesn't allow character creation? |
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| 11:51.37 | Lothaer | hey guys anyone here? |
| 11:52.22 | bleeter | yes, you are |
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| 12:00.14 | Lothaer | is recount2 been worked on? |
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| 12:13.31 | bleeter | Lothaer: looks to me, from looking at curse.com, that recount2 is currently abandoned http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/recount2.aspx and work continues on the original http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/recount.aspx |
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| 12:17.40 | Lothaer | yeah its just that on the wowace page it says "Last Update: 11/19/2008" |
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| 12:22.58 | Nom- | argh badly wtb audio lag fix :~( |
| 12:31.24 | Nom- | finally fixed audio lag |
| 12:31.30 | Nom- | had to open wine using aoss wrapper |
| 12:31.32 | Nom- | which is annoying |
| 12:33.17 | Nom- | argh but now i have occasional popping |
| 12:33.18 | Nom- | i can't win |
| 12:34.16 | bleeter | Lothaer: have you tried asking in #wowace ? |
| 12:35.35 | bleeter | woot, Cracker's on telly... catchya later Nom- :D |
| 12:38.00 | Nom- | later |
| 12:53.43 | zenzelezz | neat, just saw an NPC apparently train skills from a profession trainer :-o |
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| 12:54.37 | Nom- | ugh... i think i may be forced to go back to windows :( |
| 12:54.48 | Nom- | I've got graphics corruption now (after finally sorting out audio) |
| 12:54.54 | Nom- | This is problem after problem :~( |
| 12:55.01 | haste | ATi? |
| 12:55.08 | Nom- | nvidia |
| 12:55.16 | bleeter | uifaster? |
| 12:55.16 | haste | turned of the real-time shadows? |
| 12:55.26 | Nom- | shadows are not an option in ogl |
| 12:56.26 | Nom- | It doesn't seem to be overheating (according to the nvidia tools) |
| 13:01.56 | Nom- | oh well, launching from console now to see if there's a useful error |
| 13:02.10 | Nom- | failing that, it'll be time to whip out the vista CD and try again :( |
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| 13:11.37 | bleeter | LOL Gamon's scored some emotes and stuff. About time, Gamon's a true champion of the Horde. |
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| 13:19.47 | Nom- | wowzers |
| 13:19.47 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 05:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. |
| 13:19.48 | Shiibot | Update: The following realms will continue to be offline for maintenance until 15:00, Paris time (CET): Auchindoun, Ghostlands, Hellfire, Karazhan, Nagrand, Shattered Halls, Sporeggar, The Sha'tar . |
| 13:19.48 | Shiibot | Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 16/11 New realm and free migration |
| 13:19.54 | Nom- | WoW just crashed (under wine) due to not enough memory ! |
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| 13:28.58 | bleeter | Nom-: day of the triffid's now on telly |
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| 13:31.08 | zarvon | anyone in this channel? |
| 13:31.33 | zarvon | administrators wise thatis |
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| 13:34.01 | zenzelezz | zarious: on which site? |
| 13:34.22 | zarvon | Curseforged |
| 13:34.26 | bleeter | zenzelezz: you mean zarvon |
| 13:34.32 | bleeter | TOO MANY Z's! lol |
| 13:34.36 | zarvon | lol |
| 13:34.36 | zenzelezz | yes I do... |
| 13:35.19 | bleeter | zarvon: do you mean IRC # operator, or website admin or some other admin type? |
| 13:35.24 | bleeter | bah |
| 13:35.26 | bleeter | yes |
| 13:35.28 | zarvon | website admin |
| 13:35.30 | bleeter | too many z |
| 13:35.35 | bleeter | z's.. I'm tired |
| 13:35.38 | Lothaer | hey bleeter hwo savy are you with mods? |
| 13:35.45 | bleeter | I read 'curseforged' as 'confused' |
| 13:35.55 | zarvon | i cant get into my project at all im also seeing this message "This user has no projects! Maybe they'll upload something... oneday. " |
| 13:36.42 | bleeter | zarvon: have you tried #curseforge on this irc network? |
| 13:36.46 | bleeter | Lothaer: not really |
| 13:36.56 | zarvon | yea dont see to be anyone over there |
| 13:37.11 | bleeter | and after my stunning display of sleepiness about 2 mins ago, you prolly wouldn't want me even if I did =)) |
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| 13:37.58 | Lothaer | kk i just wanna see if i can get someone to make a gui for my mod |
| 13:38.08 | Lothaer | id be willing to pay depening on price |
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| 13:42.11 | zarvon | guess the devs are all still sleeping |
| 13:42.44 | bleeter | still? it's only just gone midnight |
| 13:42.58 | zarvon | 8:42am my time |
| 13:43.00 | bleeter | which gives me a great idea.. particularly as Lothaer and Adys just /join'd |
| 13:43.04 | bleeter | bah |
| 13:43.10 | bleeter | * Lopeppeppy |
| 13:43.11 | Adys | ? |
| 13:43.16 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
| 13:43.18 | bleeter | gnight all |
| 13:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | What did I do this morning already? |
| 13:43.25 | zarvon | cya bleeter |
| 13:43.44 | zarvon | if your a admin i got a problem |
| 13:43.49 | zarvon | of the website that is |
| 13:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, that I am not. |
| 13:44.21 | Lothaer | night bleeter |
| 13:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, Cairenn, Seerah, Dolby are the ones who can help you with WoWInterface site problems, as I recall. |
| 13:44.32 | Lothaer | hey lopeppeppy |
| 13:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lothaer. |
| 13:45.02 | zarvon | i thoguht this was for curseforged website |
| 13:45.25 | Nom- | This is me giving up and going to install WinXP |
| 13:45.25 | Lothaer | this is for wowinterface site |
| 13:45.27 | Nom- | bbs |
| 13:45.35 | zarvon | doh |
| 13:45.42 | Lothaer | #cCurseForge is what you want |
| 13:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | This channel is a general channel for WoW addon development, not specific to any one site. |
| 13:45.51 | zarvon | maybe i should move my project over there |
| 13:45.58 | Lothaer | lol |
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| 13:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, alestane. |
| 13:46.14 | Lothaer | hey lopeppeppy what mods have you made? |
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| 13:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | Lothaer. *laugh* Oh my god that's the funniest question of the year. I'll let you guess the answer. |
| 13:46.48 | alestane | Good morning< |
| 13:47.14 | Spellshaper | forgive my noobishness, but... anyone knows how I can add Clique support to frames? |
| 13:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Spellshaper, I thought Clad put that info on the Clique page, let me check.... |
| 13:47.42 | Lothaer | lopeppeppy: imma guess none |
| 13:47.47 | alestane | table.insert(clickCastFrames, myGrame), I believe. |
| 13:47.54 | alestane | myFrame*, rather. |
| 13:48.04 | Spellshaper | I thought I read all of the info page |
| 13:48.19 | zenzelezz | heya peppy! |
| 13:48.50 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 13:48.56 | jnwhiteh | ClickCastFrames = ClickCastFrames or {} |
| 13:49.04 | jnwhiteh | ClickCastFrames[buttonObject] = true |
| 13:49.04 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: A new realm has been added with migration opened from existing realms. The migrations will last until at least November 18th. The realm does not allow character creation for now.. New realm: Chamber of Aspects |
| 13:49.04 | Shiibot | Source realms: Aggramar, Aszune, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, Silvermoon. Source realms added November 16th: Azjol-Nerub, Bloodhoof, Nordrassil, Runetotem. |
| 13:49.05 | Shiibot | The following Free Character Migration will also be available until November 18th:. Al'Akir --> Bladefist. Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus. Frostmane --> Laughing Skull. Grim Batol --> Genjuros |
| 13:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz. |
| 13:49.39 | Spellshaper | thanks, I will try that :> |
| 13:49.50 | Lothaer | how hard is it to add a GUI and the options to a mod? |
| 13:50.07 | Lothaer | cause i wanna add some to my mod ComeHere |
| 13:50.26 | jnwhiteh | Adding the interface options panel is trivial |
| 13:50.27 | alestane | Lothaer: Hard isn't the word. But in practice I spend about 80% of the time developing a particular mod on the GUI. |
| 13:50.33 | jnwhiteh | creating options is.. not terribly difficult. |
| 13:50.41 | jnwhiteh | depending on how complex you want to get |
| 13:50.41 | Spellshaper | I was thzinking about adding a GUI, too... slash commands are meh, but how to add something to the Blizz options eludes me |
| 13:50.47 | alestane | It's not hard, just time-consuming. |
| 13:50.52 | jnwhiteh | it shouldn't, its fully documented. |
| 13:51.23 | Lothaer | what i wanna add is some options to enable/disable the sounds, some options to choose what sounds that want incase they dont want all of them, enable/disable the chat messages and a option to change what chat the messeges goto (ie Say, Yell, Partyetc) |
| 13:51.38 | Lothaer | but i have no idea how to do it |
| 13:51.42 | Spellshaper | then I'll go google some more... |
| 13:51.43 | jnwhiteh | None of which is terrily difficult |
| 13:51.51 | jnwhiteh | well, you use checkbuttons, a dropdown and an editbox. |
| 13:51.55 | Lothaer | i was thinking about paying someone to do it but i have no idea how much the going rate is |
| 13:52.01 | jnwhiteh | Google won't help you, look at the source. |
| 13:52.31 | alestane | Spellshaper: http://wowcompares.com/3039183/FrameXML/UIOptionsFrame.lua |
| 13:52.33 | jnwhiteh | see the bottom of http://wowcompares.com/3039183/FrameXML/UIOptionsFrame.lua |
| 13:52.46 | jnwhiteh | for adding your panel to the built-in options system |
| 13:52.53 | jnwhiteh | then you just decorate the frame with your options widgets |
| 13:53.00 | alestane | jnwhiteh: Jinx, you owe me a beer. |
| 13:53.11 | jnwhiteh | I clearly beat you |
| 13:53.18 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 13:53.21 | Spellshaper | thanks again, jnwhiteh |
| 13:54.11 | Spellshaper | and alestane of course |
| 13:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that must be why you asked what mods I do. *giggle* |
| 13:57.29 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a WoW client with LightHeaded installed and up-to-date? |
| 13:57.49 | jnwhiteh | that can run a quick command for me? |
| 13:57.54 | jnwhiteh | since my WoW here seems to hate itself. |
| 13:58.00 | haste | I think lightheaded is the must up to date addon I have currently! |
| 13:58.07 | haste | which means it has a parse from october or earlier :p |
| 13:58.21 | jnwhiteh | haste: :P |
| 13:58.40 | haste | *checks* |
| 13:59.03 | haste | oh make that july |
| 13:59.05 | zenzelezz | so I'm talking to a friend about the DK quests and he goes "First time in WoW I've ever actually read all of the quest text :p" |
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| 14:00.31 | alestane | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2008-11-19 win. |
| 14:00.31 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: me |
| 14:01.09 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: Could you /run LightHeaded:UpdateFrame(11608) with the LightHeaded frame open, and let me know if it loads the information for that quest? |
| 14:01.27 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: it does |
| 14:01.49 | jnwhiteh | same with 11602, 11888, 12486, 11574 and 11614 |
| 14:03.02 | haste | suddenly commands, hundreds of them! |
| 14:03.04 | Stanzilla | yup, all work |
| 14:03.29 | jnwhiteh | thanks, appreciate! |
| 14:03.49 | jnwhiteh | LIGHTHEADED DOESN'T SHOW INFORMATION FOR WOTLK QUESTS |
| 14:03.54 | jnwhiteh | "Update it, you idiot" |
| 14:04.55 | alestane | Doncha love the simple answers? |
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| 14:05.59 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:06.32 | jnwhiteh | NM...I just double checked my wow folder, seems I now have 2 wow>interface>addon folders. I unzipped into the "second" interface folder and it works beautiful! ...Maybe the other poster should check if this has happened to him/her also!! |
| 14:06.35 | jnwhiteh | brilliant! |
| 14:06.44 | jnwhiteh | glad that wasted 10 minutes of my time =/ |
| 14:06.50 | jnwhiteh | sorry Stanzilla @:P |
| 14:07.03 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 14:07.08 | alestane | Trailing space, or something of the kind? |
| 14:07.28 | jnwhiteh | who knows |
| 14:09.01 | Lopeppeppy | That one sounds like the Vista thingie issue. |
| 14:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, alestane, that comic is covered with win. |
| 14:11.34 | alestane | There's just something about the last "Heidi, Death Knight of the Swiss Alps" panel. |
| 14:13.53 | Lopeppeppy | Julia Andrews is singing their song, you know she is. |
| 14:14.38 | jnwhiteh | hard |
| 14:14.53 | alestane | Julia Andrews singing the Lament of the Highborne is a really frightening concept. |
| 14:14.59 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 14:15.14 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you're officially in the doghouse for an mental image voilation! |
| 14:15.37 | alestane | Hey! I may have gone there, but you handed me the map! |
| 14:16.10 | Lopeppeppy | No sir. Nuh uh. |
| 14:17.50 | alestane | "Sign this, please, it absolves me from all blame." |
| 14:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | I wasn't even there. |
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| 14:19.03 | alestane | "No matter what happens, any place, any time, this absolves me from all blame."..."That must be a nice document to have." |
| 14:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
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| 14:20.16 | AbsoRayne | c/me yawns |
| 14:20.20 | AbsoRayne | Fail! |
| 14:20.22 | AbsoRayne | \o/ |
| 14:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 14:22.12 | AbsoRayne | Suppose I should upload the new Cherry Boxers, since im not doing anything... |
| 14:22.22 | AbsoRayne | I just hope it installs right for people :S |
| 14:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | Make sure to post a screenshot or twelve, and I'll check it out if I get online time tonight. |
| 14:23.57 | AbsoRayne | :P |
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| 14:26.02 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://i36.tinypic.com/213c7m.jpg Since HDImage isnt working atm |
| 14:27.20 | Lopeppeppy | Not fond of it like I am the orginal, but I'll see if it installs right, at least. |
| 14:28.45 | AbsoRayne | Yeah, I wanted something different for leveling, where I could pay attention to chat more |
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| 14:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have much of a guild, so I have nothing to pay attention to. |
| 14:53.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:53.12 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy should join my guild |
| 14:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa has snagged my paladin of doomy doom. |
| 14:54.19 | Shirik | paladin of doomy doom |
| 14:54.29 | Shirik | isn't that a conflict of their ideals? |
| 14:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | Not his. *grin* |
| 14:55.41 | Shirik | you're evil |
| 14:55.52 | alestane | Isn't that what she just said? |
| 14:55.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 15:03.08 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/ball_dog.jpg |
| 15:03.34 | Shirik | mean :( |
| 15:05.22 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/lookalikes.jpg |
| 15:06.35 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/november/bigbattlebear.jpg <- TGC :( |
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| 15:14.46 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxCj2MO02AE |
| 15:14.49 | WobWork | now -that- is cool |
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| 15:21.04 | Lopeppeppy | Drive safely, Shirik. *hugs* |
| 15:21.26 | WobWork | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP7F8P1ZtD0 |
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| 15:36.38 | WobWork | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ba1e9GkI4c&feature=related |
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| 15:42.18 | mikma | wobwork: booooring =/ |
| 15:42.30 | WobWork | you have no taste at all |
| 15:42.32 | WobWork | no sense of style |
| 15:42.38 | WobWork | or musicianship |
| 15:43.45 | mikma | ok, moment |
| 15:44.21 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mEKMz2Pvo |
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| 15:45.41 | WobWork | old =P |
| 15:45.44 | WobWork | clip is old |
| 15:46.02 | mikma | still better than yours! |
| 15:46.22 | WobWork | technically, yes, he's a better player |
| 15:46.35 | WobWork | but not better in the sense of showmanship |
| 15:47.07 | WobWork | actually maybe not even technically |
| 15:47.10 | mikma | is this something like a battle who can paste a better show? ;D |
| 15:47.16 | WobWork | no =) |
| 15:47.25 | mikma | how about a mario-tune played with rc-car :D |
| 15:47.27 | WobWork | But if you call that 'not boring' =P |
| 15:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52w7-RTu8I |
| 15:47.42 | WobWork | then you have no taste at all =) |
| 15:47.53 | WobWork | This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.? |
| 15:47.55 | mikma | you haven't seen it! muahha |
| 15:47.58 | WobWork | O.O |
| 15:48.03 | Lopeppeppy | That was nto what I meant to link! *grin* |
| 15:48.11 | WobWork | suruuure |
| 15:48.45 | WobWork | also, mikma that guy sounds better when you're not actually watching him =P |
| 15:48.46 | Lopeppeppy | http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/1181592538-20085deadofcute.jpg |
| 15:48.57 | Lopeppeppy | The first was a video I tried to upload that was too long. Monster evil. |
| 15:49.04 | WobWork | kiiiity |
| 15:49.07 | WobWork | +t |
| 15:50.04 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4CHkN-Dkw <- tididi di di di, di! |
| 15:50.42 | WobWork | I've seen that done with a guy on rollerblades on Letterman =) |
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| 15:51.20 | WobWork | aw, they didn't do the "dying" ending |
| 15:51.59 | mikma | meh, stupid japs |
| 15:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Seerah. |
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| 15:58.51 | WobWork | =( |
| 15:58.56 | WobWork | $50 for a DVD |
| 15:59.02 | WobWork | that's terrible |
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| 16:09.26 | Seerah | morning peppy |
| 16:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | ~pounce |Jelly| |
| 16:10.26 | purl | ACTION jumps on |Jelly| and bounces around Tigger style |
| 16:10.45 | Shirik|zZz | omg @ second part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEBvCLevBBQ&feature=channel |
| 16:11.33 | Lopeppeppy | <3 |
| 16:19.07 | Seerah | sheep, peppy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enVoBSJbp6U&feature=channel |
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| 16:22.48 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 16:22.48 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 16:22.55 | |Jelly| | Sorry dear, I wasn't paying attention. |
| 16:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* Morning! |
| 16:23.46 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, bookmarked for the next time I need to kill a sheeple! |
| 16:26.24 | |Jelly| | So I think I'm going to make the most depressing dogtag ever. "How much experience until 80?" |
| 16:26.59 | Lopeppeppy | Whee. |
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| 16:41.41 | AbsoRayne | wtb people on my realm that dont fail at WoW, PST |
| 16:42.51 | Shirik | Best gold spam introduction ever: |
| 16:42.55 | Shirik | dear hi dude |
| 16:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | Hi dude right back! |
| 16:44.29 | AbsoRayne | Ive gotten so many tells 'hey, you want to be my 'insert profession here' supplier?' |
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| 16:44.36 | |Jelly| | yay! 8681972 experience to 80! |
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| 16:46.04 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
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| 16:46.41 | AbsoRayne | Mostly for mining |
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| 16:47.56 | Seerah | lol |
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| 17:34.28 | |Jelly| | ~~~~~~~ |
| 17:34.28 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat |jelly|. |
| 17:34.41 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom |
| 17:36.49 | kamdis | I didn't know whales were into fruit based condiments. |
| 17:36.59 | |Jelly| | Hugh is |
| 17:37.06 | kamdis | so I read. |
| 17:37.15 | kamdis | also, morning :) |
| 17:37.28 | |Jelly| | Hai :) |
| 17:39.05 | |Jelly| | Man. Ret/DK will have a full set come ... 72 but alas, I've not seen any tank gear from quests, aside from the neck from UK. :( |
| 17:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | Are they relying on craftables to fill out tanks? |
| 17:43.34 | |Jelly| | craftables and lucky drops, it seems |
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| 17:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | Best. Plan. Evar. |
| 17:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | There's quite a few tank rewards from instance quests. |
| 17:44.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Nexus has 2 or 3 I believe. |
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| 17:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Typically, non-instance quest rewards are oriented towards solo play itemization, not tanking/healing gear. Instance quest rewards are generally more tank/healing itemized. |
| 17:46.18 | zenzelezz | guild enters Maexxna's room in Naxx10... some guy on Vent goes "she looks like a big spider!" |
| 17:46.31 | Lopeppeppy | No, really? |
| 17:47.35 | kamdis | Kamdis' DK is still 69. :-( |
| 17:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | hawt |
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| 17:49.40 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: The following free migration is scheduled to last . until Friday November 21 at 10:00 CET. It may be . extended to Tuesday November 25 after review.. . To the NEW realm named Chamber of Aspects: |
| 17:49.40 | Shiibot | Aggramar, Arathor, Aszune, Azjol-Nerub, . Bloodhoof, Doomhammer, Draenor, Emerald Dream, . Hellscream, Nordrassil, Runetotem, Silvermoon. . Argent Dawn --> Darkmoon Faire, Steamwheedle . Cartel, The Sha'tar |
| 17:49.40 | Shiibot | Al'Akir --> Auchindoun, Bladefist. Burning Legion --> Chromaggus, Xavius. Crushridge --> Ahn'Qiraj, Deathwing. Drak'thul --> Daggerspine, Dentarg. Frostmane --> Burning Blade, Laughing Skull. Grim Batol --> Genjuros, Vek'nilash |
| 17:50.38 | cbreak | hmm... it would be nice if the bot would give a link to his source |
| 17:50.45 | cbreak | since I think the text was truncated |
| 17:50.53 | zenzelezz | sheesh, some guy just paid me 100g + 9 Crystalized Fires to smelt him a Titansteel Bar o_O |
| 17:52.27 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie. |
| 17:52.35 | alestane | Who's posting as Nyxia? |
| 17:52.44 | alestane | Is that Kamdis? |
| 17:53.02 | kamdis | yes |
| 17:53.09 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, it says at the beginning, that's a server login alert. I bet you can find it on the general EU forums. |
| 17:53.09 | alestane | 'swhat I thought. |
| 17:53.09 | cog|work | :( |
| 17:53.18 | cog|work | I've never been on a realm that got free transfers |
| 17:53.19 | kamdis | can't you tell since the whole front page is posts from me? lol |
| 17:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | cogwork, I have free transfers, but not to anywhere I want to go. |
| 17:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: ~wowalert |
| 17:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowalert |
| 17:53.37 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 17:53.46 | cbreak | nice, thanks |
| 17:55.14 | cog|work | i think every account should get one free transfer |
| 17:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not a half bad idea |
| 17:56.47 | kamdis | No free transfers for Uther despite the continued 500+ queues. |
| 17:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 500 is nothing |
| 17:57.08 | kamdis | It was far higher than that over the weekend |
| 17:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | AD had a 90 minute wait the day of the release. |
| 17:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Not to be a prick, but really, no small number of realms are pushing >1200 queues on the weekdays |
| 17:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd kill for a queue of 500 |
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| 17:58.05 | Lunessa | staion! |
| 17:58.09 | kamdis | That's not being a prick :P |
| 17:58.12 | Lunessa | bah. Station! |
| 17:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 17:58.17 | kamdis | hi lunessa |
| 17:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I was kinda laughing at you :P |
| 17:58.23 | Lunessa | Hello ladies. |
| 17:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "Ha, 500!" etc etc etc |
| 17:58.28 | kamdis | I'm okay with that. |
| 17:58.49 | kamdis | If you're seeing 1200+ on weeknights, well, 500 is laughable. ;-) |
| 17:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah it's painful :( |
| 17:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | On the bright side, gives me a lot of time to do my calculus |
| 17:59.35 | Lunessa | hiya cog|work - el Presidente. |
| 17:59.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I logged on at 7:30 and then afk'd for a good hour and a half before I tabbed back in to a queue of ~500 ahead of me |
| 18:02.35 | alestane | Anyone here handy with command-line compilation and makefile scripts? |
| 18:02.45 | NightHawkTheSane | nature immune mobs make me cry. :\ |
| 18:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | make -f Makefile-name? |
| 18:03.19 | alestane | Well, I'm more concerned with the response, "make: pkg-config: Command not found" |
| 18:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. You're compiling a program that has external deps, which are being looked for using pkg-config |
| 18:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You're on OSX, yes? |
| 18:03.47 | cog|work | that just means soemthing in the make file is calling pkg-config |
| 18:04.01 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Yes. |
| 18:04.06 | cog|work | which you don't have |
| 18:04.20 | alestane | cog|work: Brilliant! That will fix everything! |
| 18:04.26 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:04.32 | alestane | Sorry, shouldn't have been snarky. |
| 18:04.51 | cog|work | i just mean it's not really an issue with makefile scripts, per se. |
| 18:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | pkg-config is a simple way of finding libs, programs, source, etc. on a system. Isn't shipped with OSX by default, it's pretty common. Google should help get that installed quickly |
| 18:05.08 | alestane | So first I need to set it up? |
| 18:05.34 | cog|work | makefiles are basically declarative batch files. they just call other programs and can keep track of file dates |
| 18:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. And then whatever lib your makefile is looking for, you'll possibly have to reinstall that too, to drop the pkg-config info where it belongs |
| 18:06.01 | alestane | Yeah, it complained it couldn't find zip.h |
| 18:06.42 | Lunessa | SO. WRONG. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 18:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, it (pkg-config) isn't intended for system libs, but added libs |
| 18:06.56 | cog|work | alestane: Your snark was resisted |
| 18:06.59 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | zip.h sounds like it may/may not be stock with OSX, dunno |
| 18:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: lol |
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| 18:09.07 | alestane | Says it's based on libzip. |
| 18:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that wouldn't be stock OSX |
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| 18:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | So (1) install pkg-config (2) install libzip (3) reinstall |
| 18:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Or, install libzip and make -I/path/to/libzip/source -L/path/to/libzip/libs |
| 18:10.04 | alestane | And it may or may not work with MacFUSE. |
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| 18:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | (and possibly hack your makefile) |
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| 18:11.51 | alestane | "Checking whether build environment is sane...yes." |
| 18:12.33 | ScytheBlade1 | pkg-config just tells the build system where to find headers/libs/etc. If you know where they are, you can remove pkg-config entirely and point it right where they are |
| 18:15.39 | zenzelezz | I've always wondered exactly what a "sane" environment means |
| 18:16.51 | Lopeppeppy | Padded walls. |
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| 18:18.56 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/18/funny-pictures-buggin-me-almost-level-68/ |
| 18:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, nice |
| 18:20.05 | ScytheBlade1 | We have the head of Pixar coming to talk to us soon |
| 18:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for intro to computing classes? |
| 18:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Err former |
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| 18:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I think? Hmm |
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| 18:25.31 | cbreak | rob cook? |
| 18:25.38 | alestane | libzip appear to be stored on one server, which is down. |
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| 18:31.12 | Lunessa | Anyone here really good with UIDropDown and feel like taking pity on a poster? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12661344044&sid=1 |
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| 18:34.17 | cladhaire | I know UIDropDown, not EasyMeny tho |
| 18:36.17 | NightHawkTheSane | so... |
| 18:36.19 | foxlit | Someone link him the FrameXML file and be done with that :) |
| 18:37.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Following the wrath gate events & followup for horde... uh, a certain npc is now gone. Including the quests he would have accepted/turned in. |
| 18:37.23 | NightHawkTheSane | er, given out/turned in, whatever. |
| 18:37.48 | cbreak | I doubt blizzard would be short sighted enough to do that NightHawkTheSane. |
| 18:37.57 | cbreak | (make quests that require him afterwards) |
| 18:38.19 | cbreak | did you hear the mysterious talk between the dragon queen and the dragon guy? |
| 18:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: no new quests, certainly |
| 18:39.06 | cbreak | for alliance, they removed the whole onyxia questline |
| 18:39.16 | NightHawkTheSane | but there are old-world quests that he had |
| 18:39.18 | cbreak | because bolvar was replaced by the king and went to outland |
| 18:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and yeah, I did. |
| 18:39.36 | cbreak | northrend I mean :) |
| 18:40.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but varimathras didn't go anywhere. he's just no longer in my version of undercity. |
| 18:40.03 | cbreak | (Maybe we can rez him) |
| 18:40.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, specifically, we killed him, but i digress |
| 18:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | point being, it can cause quest issues, because he was a quest npc |
| 18:41.01 | cbreak | hmm... I see the issue with the undead guy |
| 18:41.21 | cbreak | but honestly... would you want to work for someone like him? |
| 18:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | well, lore wise, i'm not disagreeing. |
| 18:42.36 | NightHawkTheSane | im just curious how it affects the ability to get the 3000 quest achievement and/or the Loremaster achievements. It may only be a matter of <10 quests.. but |
| 18:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure they accounted for the loss of the Bolivar chain. |
| 18:45.01 | Slakah | http://www.gamersuniversity.com/?page_id=209 < win! |
| 18:45.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: bolvar really only had like one or two quests related to him, though, right? |
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| 18:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever in the Ony chain, I think that's it, but maybe something in the Traitor quest line around level 30? I forget. |
| 18:48.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, glancing at wowhead, there's probably comparable number of quests that depend on both npcs. |
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| 18:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if they just broke all of them. |
| 18:49.05 | kamdis | Varimathras didn't have many quests at all. |
| 18:49.09 | kamdis | like, 3? |
| 18:49.17 | NightHawkTheSane | more than that |
| 18:49.21 | kamdis | really? |
| 18:49.49 | kamdis | ah, ok, 6. |
| 18:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | all told, there are probably 8-10 quests that start or end with him |
| 18:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but that's not even counting followups that would be locked out because you can't do the pre-req involving him |
| 18:50.16 | kamdis | starts 4, ends 6. |
| 18:50.20 | kamdis | true |
| 18:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | bolvar's about the same |
| 18:50.50 | NightHawkTheSane | although a few (mostly related to the ony head, i believe) were transferred to wrynn |
| 18:51.36 | Dashkal | Blightcaller did |
| 18:53.43 | alestane | lua> string.match("self.last", "[\[\]\.]") |
| 18:53.43 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 18:54.18 | alestane | lua> string.match("self.last", "[%[%]%.]") |
| 18:54.19 | lua_bot | alestane: . |
| 18:54.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Quick question, if I want to scan every chat message for a profession link, would hooking some method be the best way to do that? and.. which method? :) |
| 18:54.38 | alestane | lua> string.match("self[last]", "[%[%]%.]") |
| 18:54.38 | lua_bot | alestane: [ |
| 18:54.57 | NightHawkTheSane | actually. nevermind. |
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| 19:10.24 | Lunessa | Cry for me Argentina. I have to teach Word to a bunch of secretaries today. And all I want to do is curl up and take a nap. |
| 19:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | I had to teach one to cut and paste yesterday, fun times. |
| 19:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, have you looked into Adobe Captivate to make some training videos for your sheeple? I frellin' LOVE it to death. |
| 19:11.04 | Corr-work | just yell out "CONTROL EX CONTROL VEE" |
| 19:11.18 | Corr-work | Adobe Captivity |
| 19:11.37 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yes, but... these people are looking for "Continuing Education" credit. Classroom hours. :/ |
| 19:11.55 | Corr-work | "you are not permitted to leave until you master this. security has been provided by Adobe." |
| 19:12.11 | bleeter | Lunessa: my brother's never been quite the same since he had to teach Outlook Express to a bunch of middle-management-assistant cube types ... you have my sympathies. |
| 19:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | Schedule it as a classroom presentation, and just show videos! |
| 19:12.56 | Lunessa | I'm just glad someone else has to teach Outlook. I just get stuck with Word because apparently I know it better than anyone else on Campus. |
| 19:14.17 | bleeter | seriously, what's wrong with the old-time computer adage? if you can't use a program without a manual or training, it's a poorly designed program and not worth the effort |
| 19:15.12 | Corr-work | "not worth the effort" is a bit too generalized, but i agree with the poor design part |
| 19:15.20 | Lunessa | bleeter: Can you practice medicine? |
| 19:15.35 | Lunessa | Programs have gotten that complex. |
| 19:15.38 | Corr-work | i know -i- can, unlicensed and illegally anyway |
| 19:16.02 | Lunessa | Corr-work: Cool, I have this pain, in my lower left side, fix it. |
| 19:16.18 | bleeter | Lunessa: sure. everyone's sick in the head. cup of tea, a bex and a good lie down. |
| 19:16.27 | cbreak | you'll need a manual for any program that is sufficiently powerful. |
| 19:16.38 | cbreak | not neccessarily for users |
| 19:16.48 | cbreak | but just to know how something is supposed to work |
| 19:17.02 | cbreak | documentation is an important aspect of programming in my opinion |
| 19:17.06 | bleeter | correct, my 'view' is extreme, but as Corr-work indicates there is a kernel of truth in it |
| 19:17.47 | bleeter | personally, I blame 'shutdown' being under 'start' |
| 19:20.08 | Corr-work | it's the beginning of the end. START THE SHUTDOWN! |
| 19:21.44 | cbreak | shutdown -h now |
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| 19:37.24 | bleeter | cbreak: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/kmem |
| 19:37.52 | Dashkal | bleeter: ok, now I'm morbidly curious what that would actually do... |
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| 19:40.17 | bleeter | Dashkal: dunno about these days, but there was a time on some Unices and unix-like systems one could write random crap direct into kernel memory |
| 19:40.43 | bleeter | guaranteed 'shutdown' faster than one can reach for the power button |
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| 19:42.29 | Dashkal | :p |
| 19:42.39 | Dashkal | alt-sysrq is wondeful |
| 19:42.54 | Dashkal | I'm guilty of using that to reboot when I'm in a hurry... |
| 19:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ssub! |
| 19:44.29 | Dashkal | I'd test it I'm afraid of managing some sort of hardware damage by some off-chance :p |
| 19:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Winning sysrq combo |
| 19:45.04 | Dashkal | that'd be the one |
| 19:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | sysrq is sooo handy |
| 19:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | When defining a lua function in a table with :, do I need to implicitly specify self as the first param? |
| 19:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or am I just broke?) |
| 19:58.02 | alestane | "function object:method(...)" is syntactic sugar for "function object.method(self, ...)". |
| 19:59.04 | Legorol | Is there a known way of mapping from the itemEquipLoc return value of GetItemInfo to an InventorySlotName that GetInventorySlotInfo takes as argument? |
| 19:59.35 | Legorol | In other words, given an item, what's the best way of working out which slot it belongs to on the paperdoll? |
| 19:59.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that's what I thought. And do I need to pass that when I call the function? |
| 20:02.16 | NightHawkTheSane | not if you call it with : |
| 20:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was after. Thanks |
| 20:02.48 | |Jelly| | "There are actually multiple mods that I have come across that link wowhead comments but all the ones I've found in the past have been memory hogs." No shit? |
| 20:02.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | morons |
| 20:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, that was a bit harsh, but just the same |
| 20:04.03 | Dashkal | I want megs and megs of comments at my fingertips but I won't want it to be in my ram! |
| 20:04.28 | Dashkal | They probably just refuse to believe that it's impossible (or supposed to be anyway) to get at the internet |
| 20:04.36 | Legorol | indeed |
| 20:04.54 | Lopeppeppy | Idiots. |
| 20:05.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: no, not harsh at all |
| 20:07.55 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEEEEE |
| 20:08.02 | |Jelly| | lewl: http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/19150-WoW_Bigger_than_Belgium/page/2 |
| 20:09.35 | |Jelly| | Anyone have a link to the YouTube video of the two gnomes that let factions in Shatt tear them apart? |
| 20:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... I know exactly what one you mean, Jelly, but darned if I remember it's name. |
| 20:10.10 | bleeter | two gnomes one shatt? |
| 20:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: I know the name of them, Mojave and Jimmy |
| 20:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | Bleeter, really. |
| 20:10.29 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: they're on my server |
| 20:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, Mojache |
| 20:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 20:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | Jimmy should help in searching it up. |
| 20:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:11.06 | |Jelly| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv1XHADWUE0 |
| 20:12.30 | Legorol | Dear folks, i need some help here if there is any tooltip expert around |
| 20:13.05 | Legorol | I'm concerned about the itemEquipLoc return value of GetItemInfo |
| 20:13.12 | Legorol | I don't know how to make good use of it |
| 20:13.36 | Legorol | So far I noticed that those itemEquipLoc's are listed in GlobalStrings.lua at least, but their definitions are not very useful |
| 20:13.54 | Legorol | What can I usefully do with the INVTYPE_XX entries in GlobalStrings.lua? |
| 20:14.40 | Legorol | and a more abstract question: why do they neither fully correspond to paperdoll slots, nor to the second line of an item tooltip? |
| 20:15.00 | Legorol | I'm going nuts over this: |
| 20:16.51 | Legorol | GetItemInfo("somerandomweapon") may return "INVTYPE_WEAPON" or "INVTYPE_WEAPONMAINHAND". In GlobalStrings.lua, INVTYPE_WEAPON = "One-Hand", so how do I tell what slots it can go into. |
| 20:16.59 | Legorol | and another one: |
| 20:17.09 | foxlit | Because Blizzard has forsaken you. |
| 20:17.24 | Legorol | if you hover on a stack of bullets, the 2nd line of the tooltip is Projectile Bullet |
| 20:17.45 | Legorol | at least that one returns "INVTYPE_AMMO" on a GetItemInfo, and INVTYPE_AMMO = "Ammo" |
| 20:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizzard does that check server side, you have to code the logic into your addon or accept that the server may hate on you |
| 20:19.29 | Legorol | what check are you talking about? |
| 20:19.36 | ScytheBlade1 | When you try to equip it |
| 20:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It tries to equip your pants on your head |
| 20:19.46 | Legorol | i don't need to equip it :) |
| 20:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Only when the server gets back to you do you know it doesn't go in that slot |
| 20:19.53 | Legorol | i just need to know where i could equip it |
| 20:20.00 | mikma | god damn |
| 20:20.08 | mikma | there really ain't good glyphs for dk's :P |
| 20:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The client UI does not know |
| 20:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You need to code that yourself |
| 20:20.35 | Legorol | so what's the purpose of the INVTYPE_XXX entries in GlobalStrings.lua? |
| 20:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Localization |
| 20:20.46 | Legorol | so far I haven't found a logic in that list |
| 20:20.48 | Legorol | localization for what? |
| 20:20.53 | Legorol | the tooltips aren't generated from that |
| 20:21.06 | Legorol | hence the example with the bullets |
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| 20:21.23 | Legorol | bullets have INVTYPE_AMMO, GlobalStrings.lua says that's "Ammo", and the tooltip says Projectile Bullet |
| 20:21.29 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure about that? |
| 20:21.52 | Legorol | that's a special case hack of some special frame |
| 20:21.59 | Legorol | CharacterAttackFrame or whatnot |
| 20:22.25 | Legorol | but by default tooltip text is populated via things like tooltip:SetInventoryItem(x, x), which may or may not use the strings defined in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 20:22.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That is very likely |
| 20:22.46 | Legorol | that's one of my (several) problems |
| 20:23.06 | Legorol | the possible variation of item type texts in tooltips doesn't correspond to the list in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 20:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Once more, I'm about 95% certain that the client has no idea what items can go where. If it did, it wouldn't ask the server to put the pants on head (and the server wouldn't need to yell back at you) |
| 20:24.07 | Legorol | i understood that :) that's a separate problem |
| 20:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I'm missing your question |
| 20:24.27 | Legorol | I had two questions (actually three) |
| 20:24.41 | Legorol | 1) How do I tell what slot an item goes into. You already answered, the client doesn't know. |
| 20:24.53 | Shirik | I think the client does know |
| 20:24.55 | Shirik | somehow |
| 20:25.11 | Shirik | Because when you pick up an item, the places you can drop it get highlighted |
| 20:25.15 | Legorol | 2) Why does the set of possible texts that may appear on an item tooltip not correspond to the list of strings in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 20:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: unplug your router, put pants on head. It won't yell at you until you reconnect it |
| 20:25.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ANd that sounds like an addon, Shirik |
| 20:25.31 | Shirik | no, but it does highlight |
| 20:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | *And |
| 20:25.40 | Shirik | well then the client must know somehow, no? |
| 20:25.45 | Shirik | even if it's done by an addon |
| 20:25.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, someone coded that logic, like I said earlier |
| 20:26.18 | Shirik | But the assertion that the client doesn't know is false |
| 20:26.25 | Shirik | The client knows, it just might not do anything with it |
| 20:26.32 | Shirik | (Even still I don't seem to think that's an addon :/ ) |
| 20:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: they do.. _G[GetItemInfo("whatever")] will evaluate to the localized string for that slot |
| 20:26.49 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: not for all cases |
| 20:27.00 | Legorol | or rather, those localized strings are useless |
| 20:27.04 | Legorol | they are not slots, they are types |
| 20:27.14 | Legorol | INVTYPE_WEAPON evaluates to One-Hand |
| 20:27.17 | Legorol | that's not a slot, that's a type |
| 20:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, let's play, find the stupidity.. "Password Format Error! Your password must be between 8 and 20 characters long. Please do not use any special characters. Ex: (!%&#@$*)" |
| 20:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | If I mouse over an empty slot, I get those tooltips. |
| 20:27.40 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I promise, I had worse |
| 20:27.47 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: not exactly |
| 20:27.49 | Shirik | I recently had to create a password for a governmental organization |
| 20:27.56 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: on weapons, you will get MainHandSlot and OffHandSlot |
| 20:28.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: oh, i've seen worse. but the "Please make your password LESS secure" part bothers me. a LOT. |
| 20:28.03 | Legorol | you will never get a OneHandSlot |
| 20:28.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't -have- passwords without "special characters" |
| 20:28.13 | Legorol | Ok, let's take this from the ground up. |
| 20:28.25 | Legorol | Here are the (separate) concepts that are all present: |
| 20:28.25 | Shirik | Wait, DONT use special characters? |
| 20:28.26 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 20:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | read what it said. :) |
| 20:28.41 | Legorol | I) itemEquipLoc string returned by GetItemInfo |
| 20:28.47 | Legorol | II) list of strings in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 20:28.47 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 20:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | !api GetItemInfo |
| 20:28.49 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetItemInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo |
| 20:28.54 | Legorol | III) item type that appears on the tooltip of an item |
| 20:28.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: right, like i said. :) |
| 20:29.04 | Legorol | IV) slot names |
| 20:29.08 | Legorol | V) slot IDs |
| 20:29.15 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: i am fully aware of all the APIs |
| 20:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That was for my reference |
| 20:29.23 | Legorol | Now, out of those 5 sets, here is the correspondence between them: |
| 20:29.41 | Legorol | For all strings in (I), there is a corresponding entry in (II) |
| 20:30.04 | Legorol | the mapping between (I) and (II) is one-to-one and can be used both ways |
| 20:30.26 | Legorol | Therefore we can consider (I) and (II) to be the same set. |
| 20:30.30 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 20:31.04 | Tekkub | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=how+old+is+obama |
| 20:31.45 | Legorol | brb |
| 20:31.52 | Shirik | Tekkub: Awesome |
| 20:32.12 | Tekkub | someone should program that into purl as reply to ~goggle something |
| 20:32.39 | zenzelezz | now this is cute... a 43 warrior asking me if he should spec arms or protection if he wants to spec tank |
| 20:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ~google test |
| 20:32.51 | Shirik | hard to do due to the requirements to put + instead of spaces |
| 20:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, tell him fury. |
| 20:33.18 | Tekkub | aw bugger |
| 20:33.40 | alestane | Depends...does he want to hold aggro, or does he want to survive? |
| 20:33.50 | zenzelezz | you're evil, peppy |
| 20:33.50 | Tekkub | this works too: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=how%20old%20is%20obama |
| 20:33.55 | Legorol | back |
| 20:34.00 | Tekkub | can purl escape the URL? |
| 20:34.05 | Legorol | actually i didn't quite state the truth |
| 20:34.11 | Shirik | I don't know how to do any replacement |
| 20:34.17 | Legorol | (II) contains INVTYPE_WEAPONMAINHAND_PET, which (I) doesn't |
| 20:34.27 | Legorol | but that's an irrelevant special case that i don't need to worry about for items |
| 20:34.36 | Legorol | so for all intents and purposes (I) and (II) are the same |
| 20:34.42 | Legorol | now let's consider the rest |
| 20:34.52 | Legorol | (III) doesn't always correspond to (I) and (II) |
| 20:35.00 | Legorol | the most notable exceptions are ammunitions |
| 20:35.07 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I said that this morning :P |
| 20:35.18 | Shirik | she's being particularly evil today |
| 20:35.21 | Legorol | A stack of bullets will say in the tooltip Projectile Bullet as i mentioned already. These strings don't appear in (I) or (II) |
| 20:35.41 | Legorol | Let's move on |
| 20:35.51 | Legorol | (IV) might superficially correspond to (I) and (II), but not quite. |
| 20:36.03 | Legorol | (I) and (II) are item types, and contain entries such as One-Hand |
| 20:36.14 | Legorol | (IV) is a list of slot names, and there is no such thing as One-Hand slot |
| 20:36.43 | Legorol | (IV) also contains two entries for several types, since there is Finger0Slot and Finger1Slot |
| 20:37.09 | Legorol | Finally, (V) is just a numberic ID for each entry in (IV), at least the mapping between (IV) and (V) is one-to-one |
| 20:37.21 | Legorol | Conclusion: we have 3 separate sets |
| 20:37.35 | Legorol | Set 1. is the return values of GetItemInfo and the strings in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 20:37.43 | Legorol | Set 2. is the set of all texts that may appear on tooltips |
| 20:37.59 | Legorol | Set 3. is the set of slots (their names numeric IDs) |
| 20:38.38 | Legorol | My task: provide a way to map from 1 to 3 and from 2 to either 1 or 3. |
| 20:38.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Hard code them, go |
| 20:38.48 | Legorol | The reverse mappings are not needed. |
| 20:39.11 | Legorol | Naturally if I can do 2 to 1 then i can do 2 to 3 as well. |
| 20:39.28 | Legorol | I'd rather avoid hardcoding if I don't have to |
| 20:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Weapon slots change per class, I'm pretty sure you just have to hard code it |
| 20:40.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not like these are going to change any time soon |
| 20:40.12 | Legorol | what do you mean they change per class? |
| 20:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | They've remained static since, I dunno, original release? |
| 20:40.26 | Legorol | all classes have MainHandSlot, OffHandSlot and RelicSlot in set 3 |
| 20:40.32 | Legorol | Set 3 remained unchanged, yes |
| 20:40.35 | Legorol | Sets 1 and 2 have changed |
| 20:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | .. forget that I said that, not worth the effort |
| 20:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Just hard code it, it's a small table that you'll likely never change ever |
| 20:41.29 | Legorol | i had it hardcoded for close to 4 years, ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 20:41.36 | Legorol | i'm trying to figure out if it's possible to finally eliminate that table |
| 20:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't fix what isn't broke :P |
| 20:41.50 | Legorol | well now it's broken, and i'd rather eliminate it than fix it :) |
| 20:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You probably get to fix it |
| 20:42.10 | Legorol | consider it an intellectual exercise |
| 20:42.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. In writing a table. :P |
| 20:42.35 | Legorol | btw, what is CharacterAttackFrame? |
| 20:42.41 | Legorol | i haven't met it before, anyone knows what it does? |
| 20:43.56 | Legorol | apparently it doesn't even exist, hm |
| 20:44.27 | foxlit | I wonder what Armor Penetration Rating is, and how badly I should want some :/ |
| 20:44.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Really, tables are great at creating relationships. That's what you're looking for. I'm not seeing anything in that mess you've described that could help you accomplish it your way, but you already know that, which is why you're asking. Just keep using the table ;) |
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| 20:45.50 | Tekkub | I'm just now realizing that purl has NO DOCUMENTATION WHATSOEVER |
| 20:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: does too. Google blootbot. |
| 20:46.08 | foxlit | DOCUMENTATION IS FOR LOSERS :) |
| 20:46.31 | Tekkub | yes blootbot is so obvious how did I miss that? |
| 20:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | purl: what are you? |
| 20:46.42 | purl | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:46.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:46.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You ask it. ;) |
| 20:47.38 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Tekkub |
| 20:47.39 | purl | Tekkub: FAIL! |
| 20:47.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, class over |
| 20:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 20:47.54 | Shirik | ~failkub |
| 20:47.55 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:48.13 | Thunder_Child | are we doing that for everyone now? |
| 20:48.22 | Shirik | apparently not |
| 20:48.31 | foxlit | purl: who are you? |
| 20:48.32 | purl | foxlit: what are you talking about? |
| 20:48.38 | End | ~failrok |
| 20:48.40 | End | eeee |
| 20:48.42 | End | ~failrik |
| 20:48.42 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:48.44 | End | ~fail End |
| 20:48.45 | purl | End, you Fail! |
| 20:48.48 | End | yes I do! |
| 20:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | ~fail lopeppeppy |
| 20:48.52 | purl | You suck at everything in life, lopeppeppy. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:48.57 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
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| 20:49.07 | Shirik | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 20:49.07 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Lopeppeppy and suddenly hugs Lopeppeppy tightly |
| 20:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks Shirik. |
| 20:49.42 | Thunder_Child | pfft, Lopeppeppy asked for it |
| 20:50.16 | Shirik | literally |
| 20:50.21 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, do not interrupt a comforting session, or you'll get your ears docked. |
| 20:50.52 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy you are as bad as Cairenn, always with the promises, never with the follow through |
| 20:50.57 | |Jelly| | Wow. That was pretty harsh. |
| 20:50.59 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: i shall go with your wisdom, I think |
| 20:51.15 | |Jelly| | http://thottbot.com/i42549 yes plox |
| 20:51.38 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: lol, you have no idea |
| 20:52.07 | Thunder_Child | well you have not followed through yet Cairenn, thats all i know |
| 20:52.12 | Shirik | I'm going to head home now |
| 20:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | Drive safely, Shirik. |
| 20:52.40 | |Jelly| | Seeya later, Shirik. |
| 20:53.05 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|, thott seems to be a bit slow on the ball, they need to update all their stuff for @ 80 |
| 20:53.36 | |Jelly| | Well, there was a 62(or 63, I don't recall) and 70 so I'm assuming that there's going to be 72 and 80. |
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| 21:08.52 | Dashkal | hrm, how long until either wowdb or wowhead let me set the level on heirloom items? |
| 21:12.19 | bleeter | ~fail Nechckn |
| 21:12.20 | purl | Nechckn: FAIL! |
| 21:12.25 | bleeter | .. |
| 21:12.29 | bleeter | ~lart Nechckn |
| 21:12.29 | purl | decapitates Nechckn conan the destroyer style |
| 21:12.36 | Nechckn | damn... |
| 21:12.42 | bleeter | pulr's larts and fails are getting lamer |
| 21:12.52 | bleeter | ~whip Nechckn |
| 21:12.53 | purl | ACTION takes Nechckn outside to be thoroughly whipped by bleeter |
| 21:13.13 | Nechckn | much more appropriate |
| 21:13.33 | bleeter | Nechckn: did you bring me an apple today? NO! YOU FAIL!!! |
| 21:13.54 | bleeter | Nechckn: try to detect it - it's not too late ;) |
| 21:14.18 | Lyn | ~fart |
| 21:14.19 | purl | ACTION farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
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| 21:16.54 | nuckinfuts | Hello everyone |
| 21:17.08 | Nechckn | Hello! |
| 21:18.02 | nuckinfuts | I'm looking for a quick n' dirty way to add a shine or a bump to a frame when it reaches alpha=1 after a fade in |
| 21:18.18 | nuckinfuts | something to denote that its done |
| 21:20.02 | nuckinfuts | any ideas? |
| 21:20.32 | alestane | You could take a look at the Achievement announcement frame, see how adaptable that code is. |
| 21:21.06 | nuckinfuts | will do, i have been looking through the RuneFrame code for that type of shine but no luck |
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| 21:21.11 | Nechckn | better thought than what I had, alestane |
| 21:21.55 | nuckinfuts | any idea which XML/LUA file that frame is contained in? |
| 21:24.43 | alestane | Didn't find it yet, but I'd start in http://wowcompares.com/3039183/AddOns/Blizzard_AchievementUI/Blizzard_AchievementUI.xml |
| 21:27.29 | nuckinfuts | actually, hm, is there a way to set a frame to grayscale? |
| 21:28.15 | alestane | Texture:SetBlendMode(), or something of the kind? |
| 21:30.02 | nuckinfuts | close, i'll try that, 1 sec |
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| 21:38.21 | foxlit | SetDesaturation works on textures |
| 21:38.40 | foxlit | there's no good way to do entire frames, however. |
| 21:39.00 | nuckinfuts | oooh |
| 21:39.16 | nuckinfuts | well the texture only has a single texture in it |
| 21:39.24 | nuckinfuts | thank you foxlit |
| 21:40.40 | nuckinfuts | and with SetDesaturation, does it require that the return value be set to something? |
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| 21:41.48 | nuckinfuts | eek, nevermind, heh |
| 21:44.59 | nuckinfuts | perfect, should i worry about the people using video cards as old or older than GeForce4? does WotLK ever run on them? |
| 21:50.02 | bleeter | wow, blizz give people 72 hour suspensions for abusing arena queues, but if you 'joke' about rape in a guild name, it's only 3 hour suspension |
| 21:50.10 | bleeter | nice to see where blizz's priorities lie |
| 21:50.27 | bleeter | 7*blizz's GM |
| 21:50.38 | ajmitch | because arenas are serious |
| 21:50.58 | nuckinfuts | abusing arena queues? |
| 21:51.21 | nuckinfuts | you beat the arena queue with a baseball bat or something? |
| 21:51.56 | bleeter | nuckinfuts: we try to avoid details of potential exploitative behaviour in this # |
| 21:52.29 | nuckinfuts | lol |
| 21:52.53 | nuckinfuts | i guess it is serious! |
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| 22:02.28 | AnduinLothar | bleeter jsut likes secrets |
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| 22:04.39 | Amarande | hey, when did Tanaris start having sandstorms? |
| 22:04.55 | NightHawkTheSane | when they implemented weather. like seven bajillion patches ago |
| 22:05.13 | Corr-work | did you recently increase your graphics settings? |
| 22:05.30 | Amarande | no |
| 22:05.35 | Amarande | but it -has- been a while since I've been to tanaris |
| 22:05.39 | Amarande | so I might have not noticed it before |
| 22:05.47 | Amarande | especially since it's usually been nighttime when I went there |
| 22:06.44 | Corr-work | it was almost always night when i played, because i played at night |
| 22:06.54 | Corr-work | i was stupid enough to join a realm near my own time zone, actually an hour ahead of it |
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| 22:07.13 | Amarande | ah, my main realm is an hour behind my time zone |
| 22:07.25 | Corr-work | the game world looks so much BETTER during the day, i don't know why they implemented time cycles in real time like they did |
| 22:07.46 | Amarande | heh, here I am, level 61 death knight and where am I going to quest? silithus *rolls eyes* |
| 22:07.51 | Corr-work | in my bitterness, i can only imagine it was just to piss off people who can only play at certain times of the day, but perhaps there was a bette rreason. |
| 22:08.03 | Amarande | For some reason I just -have- to do Silithus on pretty much every character |
| 22:08.05 | Corr-work | or at least less malicious |
| 22:08.29 | Corr-work | that's funny, i never spent a significant amount of time there with either of my characters who got to that point |
| 22:08.46 | Amarande | I generally have a questing plan mapped out at least in my head, even if I'm not using a guide |
| 22:08.55 | Amarande | and generally flat out refuse to go on to Outland till I've finished my Azeroth stuff |
| 22:10.08 | Amarande | which is probably why I'm generally 60-62 when I go to Outland |
| 22:10.45 | Codayus_ | I spent a fair bit of time in silithus pre TBC. ...far too much time, to be honest. Cenarion rep grind sucked. :( |
| 22:11.29 | kd3 | yay for running aq20/40 like there was no tomorrow |
| 22:12.06 | Amarande | kd3: that's because if you thought about tomorrow, you would have realized all those epics would be obsolete and wouldn't have had the heart to go in |
| 22:12.59 | Amarande | so, how soon into outland will I be replacing my DK blues? |
| 22:13.10 | kd3 | mid 60s? |
| 22:14.07 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: sssh secret squirrel! |
| 22:14.43 | Amarande | also, by the way |
| 22:14.59 | Amarande | are there any achievements that particular class/profession combinations -cannot- achieve, ever? |
| 22:15.33 | AnduinLothar | human pallies can never achieve the realms first lvl 80 orc |
| 22:15.52 | Amarande | Anduin: ones that give points, FoS excluded |
| 22:16.31 | Amarande | ah, medallion of the horde only requires honor, not arena points |
| 22:16.39 | Amarande | I was about to think that a DK could not currently get Freedom of the Horde |
| 22:17.25 | Amarande | because I recall reading that there -are no- 60 or 70 DK PvP rewards |
| 22:19.24 | Amarande | speaking of DK gear, btw |
| 22:19.36 | Amarande | any sneak peeks yet at DK T7? |
| 22:19.49 | Amarande | I know the other classes' T7 all looks like T3, but -no- idea what the DK set would look like |
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| 22:23.49 | foxlit | Putress is still underplayed :/ |
| 22:23.58 | Amarande | Putress? |
| 22:24.28 | foxlit | the Grand Apothecary |
| 22:25.22 | foxlit | Comes out of virtually no one, kills off an army, then dies, all in the span of a few minutes. |
| 22:25.33 | Amarande | heh, I thought you were talking perhaps about your unholy build DK |
| 22:25.43 | foxlit | s/no one/nowhere/ |
| 22:25.50 | Amarande | I kinda took a break from WoW after the zombie event |
| 22:26.15 | foxlit | he was in WoW at the zombie event |
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| 22:29.02 | Amarande | I also spent most of the zombie event on my netherdrake |
| 22:30.15 | Amarande | as I may have mentioned, the problem with the zombie event was it was fun for the first day or so and then got old -quickly- |
| 22:35.32 | Tekkub | are you STILL on that? |
| 22:36.20 | ZorbaTHut | I thought it was awesome. :D |
| 22:36.40 | Amarande | Tekkub: actually, I pretty much forgot about it till foxlit mentioned Putress |
| 22:36.51 | Tekkub | whateva! |
| 22:37.11 | Lunessa | Returned, I have. |
| 22:39.56 | foxlit | still wearing the DK blue gloves at 72 :/ |
| 22:40.14 | Tekkub | you suck! |
| 22:40.43 | foxlit | I enchanted them, tbh |
| 22:41.04 | Tekkub | oh, so you're not really still wearing the gloves, you're still wearing the enchant |
| 22:41.33 | Sixen | What a bad time for QA to take time off. |
| 22:41.42 | foxlit | 15 Hit just isn't that valuable :) |
| 22:43.27 | Tekkub | Auctions posted: 6435 ... ah inscriptin |
| 22:44.43 | Gngsk | Tekkub, ErrorMonster doesn't affect FuzzyLogic's petIsDead detection does it? |
| 22:44.55 | Tekkub | hell if I know |
| 22:45.05 | Gngsk | don't use fuzzylogic anymore? |
| 22:45.20 | Tekkub | avoid my huntard at all costs |
| 22:45.24 | Gngsk | heh |
| 22:45.34 | Gngsk | my new main is a hunter |
| 22:45.37 | Tekkub | also don't use EM |
| 22:45.42 | Gngsk | k |
| 22:45.55 | Gngsk | well, sometimes FL doesn't realize my pet is dead |
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| 22:50.07 | Gngsk | hmm |
| 22:50.18 | Gngsk | SYC just bought double the amount of ammo I needed |
| 22:54.05 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if this could be considered an exploit |
| 22:54.29 | Amarande | DK, in Silithus: Using the 'yank' spell to grab the elite Morna out of the place where the Cenarions and the Twilights are fighting |
| 22:54.50 | Amarande | apparently (as happens in such cases), after you kill Morna herself, you end up still marked in combat for a fair amount of time |
| 22:55.02 | Amarande | for most DK specs, this means you can be walking around Silithus -gaining- runic power instead of losing it while not fighting |
| 22:55.39 | Amarande | basically: "interfering with NPC/NPC fights in order to get marked 'in combat' for more time to maintain runic power" = exploit, or no? |
| 22:56.11 | Codayus_ | Eh, RP isn't that useful. And warriors could do the same with rage for ages. And it stops you mounting. And your supposed to kill Morna; it's not interfering. |
| 22:56.38 | Codayus_ | Don't see the issue really. |
| 22:59.25 | Gnarfoz | it's also not like any answer you would get here would be worth anything. |
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| 23:01.14 | bleeter | Amarande: like with most exploits, once or twice or every now and then, some unintended mechanic use is understandable. excessive usage makes it more of an exploit rather than a 'oops, forgot that it's working like that at the moment and probably considerable as a bug' ;) |
| 23:01.59 | bleeter | *use is forgivable |
| 23:02.04 | bleeter | not understadable... doh |
| 23:02.17 | Amarande | bleeter: also, lemme guess, the fact that you can maintain runic power like that without having to actually be fighting will probably get nerfed, like Codayus' comment implies was done with rage? |
| 23:02.59 | bleeter | I wouldn't say nerfed, bugfixed ;) |
| 23:03.10 | bleeter | if people start abusing it excessively |
| 23:03.15 | Codayus_ | Being able to generate RP out of combat in extremely limited circumstances is 1) Working exactly as intended, 2) Harmless |
| 23:03.47 | zenzelezz | sounds a little like the old Bloodrage bug, or whatever it was |
| 23:04.14 | bleeter | I've not played DK that much, so still unsure of how much it's used for, but I can't help but think it's more of a 'useful' issue on PvP servers than PvE |
| 23:05.35 | Amarande | yeah, other than death coil I rarely use my runic power anyway |
| 23:05.56 | Amarande | maybe occasionally mind freeze, on mobs that heal and somehow don't die quickly enough for it not to matter anyway :) |
| 23:06.16 | Codayus_ | zenzelezz: Similar, except it's not a bug and much much weaker. And the old bloodrage bug was pretty weak. :) |
| 23:06.31 | Amarande | by the way, was Silithus really as bad as I've heard people say it was before the days of Ahn'Qiraj? |
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| 23:06.59 | Amarande | wb Cairenn |
| 23:07.08 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 23:07.10 | Codayus_ | Amarande: It was redesigned before AQ, yes. It wasn't itemized, there was a couple of quests that passed through, but 90% of the zone was just not used. |
| 23:07.12 | Cairenn | stupid Pidgin crashed on me |
| 23:07.13 | Amarande | I've heard Silithus used to be absolutely full of bugs, and not the Qiraji-controlled kind |
| 23:07.59 | bleeter | Cairenn: aye, I've heard of it being crashy recently |
| 23:08.01 | Codayus_ | They redid the design heavily, added a town, quests, vendors, moved he flight point, changed the mobs, made them drop loot, added all the tunnels and caves... |
| 23:09.00 | bleeter | Cairenn: realy, what you should do for your IRC stuff, and I know it'll probably pain you a little, is use your servers and irssi to maintain a permanent connection, or a jabberd on your servers to do the stuff for you instead. although my thought has probably just given Dolby a heart attack ;) |
| 23:10.12 | Amarande | So basically, most of Silithus used to be as empty as that one bit in Burning Steppes (or is it Searing Gorge?) that has no mobs, no quest givers, no gathering nodes and no nothing? |
| 23:10.33 | Codayus_ | It did have mobs, but they didn't drop anything. |
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| 23:11.13 | Gnarfoz | it was... boring! :D |
| 23:11.17 | Codayus_ | And there was a flight point right next to the pass from Ungoro, with a few lost looking druids. A couple quest chains passed through the zone IIRC, but that was it. |
| 23:11.41 | bleeter | on the subject of the pass to un'goro, where did Obi go? :( |
| 23:11.44 | Codayus_ | "go to silithus, kill a mob right next to the FP, come back". And there were only like...two. |
| 23:12.00 | Amarande | And now it's pretty awesome, and yet nobody goes here! |
| 23:12.08 | Amarande | They'd rather go to Hellfire, even though Hellfire sucks like ... well, hell |
| 23:12.12 | Codayus_ | *shrug* |
| 23:12.25 | Codayus_ | Old school players probably got fed up with it during AQ days. |
| 23:12.34 | Codayus_ | Grinding for CC rep blew chunks. |
| 23:12.39 | Codayus_ | And the bugs were elite. |
| 23:12.59 | Codayus_ | Which kinda made everything extra sucky; wandering around in the hives took FOREVER. |
| 23:13.19 | bleeter | yeah, it was more of a world raid zone back then |
| 23:13.34 | bleeter | just rare for (a) people to be down there (b) form a zone raid |
| 23:13.49 | Codayus_ | Also, the Silithus quests are kinda meh. I did them all once back in the day, and a few more on an alt, but they get boring. And XP is better in hellfire... |
| 23:14.19 | Codayus_ | And, well, there was that CC rep grind. *twitch* |
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| 23:14.54 | Amarande | On the subject of 61, by the way |
| 23:15.01 | Amarande | Are either Araj or Deathclasp soloable by a 61 DK? |
| 23:15.07 | bleeter | Codayus_: DONT MENTION THE CC GRIND! ;) |
| 23:15.34 | foxlit | CC GRIND WAS AWESOME |
| 23:15.35 | Lunessa | Amarande: Araj is soloable at 61 |
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| 23:15.58 | bleeter | a major reason I started rolling druids was to get a jump on the CC grind |
| 23:16.06 | Amarande | whereas Deathclasp is probably not soloable at all before 65 or so, other than by maybe shamans |
| 23:16.07 | Amarande | am I right? |
| 23:16.16 | Codayus_ | Back in the day...I once accidentally scrapped the wrong Field Duty assignment. |
| 23:16.34 | Lunessa | Deathclasp, the scorpi in Silithus? |
| 23:16.45 | Amarande | yeah |
| 23:16.45 | foxlit | Amarande: bs |
| 23:16.50 | Codayus_ | It was the one for Mark of Remulos, which you could only get by randomly turning in Logistic Assignments over and over again. |
| 23:17.02 | Lunessa | Nah, he's not that bad. Soloed him at 60 on 4 toons. |
| 23:17.19 | Codayus_ | So I'd spent dozens of hours grinding mats to hand over...finally got the right asignment...deleted it. I almost cried. :( |
| 23:17.24 | foxlit | Soloed him at 58 on the DK |
| 23:17.28 | Codayus_ | GM wouldn't help, so...started all over again. |
| 23:18.13 | Codayus_ | *twitch* |
| 23:18.33 | Lunessa | " ... new Voice Server technologies allow you to communicate freely with the people that need to hear you most - your teammates. They can also let you express your sincere words of gratitude to the last person that fragged you. The choice is yours." |
| 23:18.37 | Amarande | Codayus_: GMs seem to have very little ability to help when people actually need it |
| 23:18.45 | Codayus_ | On the other hand, Bliz added a title for people who ground CC exalted, so all is forgiven. :) |
| 23:18.53 | Amarande | I still remember being told what amounted to "go farm more fel iron" :| |
| 23:18.57 | Codayus_ | (Well, CC + CE, but who doesn't have CE exalted?) |
| 23:19.01 | Amarande | well, not in as many words |
| 23:19.09 | Amarande | more like "sorry, we are unable to restore your lost skill point" |
| 23:19.13 | Amarande | but I probably told that tale before |
| 23:19.18 | Codayus_ | Ouch |
| 23:20.13 | Lunessa | Ahem - does anyone have a prefered Vent host? |
| 23:20.26 | Amarande | Codayus: basically it went like this |
| 23:20.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: its not ability, as much as it is policy |
| 23:20.32 | Amarande | I was questing in Terokkar Forest |
| 23:20.43 | bleeter | pro-tip: if you want an ingame hint, never file a petition, phrase the question in the right way (so a fellow player can't answer, and a Blue needs to clarify) and post on the GM forum |
| 23:20.51 | Amarande | I was at that ... hmm, what was the name of that Arakkoa nest tower just east of Auchindoun? |
| 23:20.58 | Amarande | Anyway, I had 323 JC at the time |
| 23:21.17 | Amarande | so I was naturally really hot to cut anything I could to earn the last two points of being dependent on fel iron before I could prospect addy |
| 23:21.43 | bleeter | Lunessa: yeah, it's a bit sad the voice tech hasn't been 'updated'. I can't help but think they want to work on more backend stuff first, for example the Calendar integration, then work on some out of game online text chat network too |
| 23:21.49 | Amarande | I got off the tower, mined some fel iron, prospected it, obtained a shadow draenite, which I cut and gained a skill point for |
| 23:21.53 | Amarande | then I headed west |
| 23:22.00 | Amarande | and as I was about halfway across Auchindoun, I DC'd |
| 23:22.10 | bleeter | as they've said out of game text chat is something that does interest them (can't recall who said that, but was one of the senior folks) |
| 23:22.28 | Amarande | when I relogged, I was back on top of the arakkoa tower, lucky to not get squished by the immediate aggro, and ... my JC was back at 323 |
| 23:22.41 | Lunessa | The in-game Voice is ok, but I want something I can log in to even when I'm not playing WoW. |
| 23:23.00 | bleeter | Lunessa: yeah, hence they prolly want to integrate it to a text chat |
| 23:23.04 | Amarande | but, oddly enough, the cut shadow draenite, which I had cut from a shadow draenite which I had prospected from fel iron ore which I had mined -after I had climbed down from the arakkoa tower-, was -still there- |
| 23:23.08 | Amarande | I never quite figured that one out |
| 23:23.27 | bleeter | Lunessa: and that'd come with the new battle.net stuff, and D3/SC2 customers etc. |
| 23:23.33 | Lunessa | So the question remains, does anyone have a hosting company they really like? |
| 23:23.44 | Amarande | I suppose I figured that having the cut gem on me as evidence that I'd done said actions would have been enough to get my JC point restored :S |
| 23:23.46 | End | maybe they take more care items don't get lost than other things like player stats :P |
| 23:23.55 | bleeter | Lunessa: I've yet to find any hosting company that doesn't suck in some manner |
| 23:24.04 | bleeter | for any tech, vent, web, mail etc. etc. |
| 23:24.53 | foxlit | Amarande: welcome to the beta professions/item sync bug |
| 23:25.19 | foxlit | It's been around for ages; you're more likely to lose skill points (and even recipes) than items. |
| 23:25.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: sounds like a fairly reasonable rollback |
| 23:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | and, probably dictated by policy, not something gm's can do anything about |
| 23:25.47 | bleeter | Amarande: the only way they'd have been able to confirm that cut was from a missing skill point, would've been to count every gem that passed through your inventory, and the source of said gem. if your toon is older than iirc, 6 months, it'd be impossible. |
| 23:26.20 | bleeter | and as sich, would've been a lengthy investigation. just quicker to go mine a bit more |
| 23:26.25 | bleeter | *such |
| 23:26.43 | bleeter | er, cut |
| 23:27.40 | bleeter | Amarande: so really, from my reading of your description, you got what you shouldn't have - an ingame hint ;) |
| 23:29.24 | Amarande | an ingame hint of? |
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| 23:41.39 | Kraps | whats better, 22 ArP or 15 haste? |
| 23:42.07 | Kraps | for tanking |
| 23:42.28 | Kraps | both weaps 1.6 speed |
| 23:42.49 | NightHawkTheSane | for tanking? haste, without a doubt |
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| 23:43.43 | Kraps | thanks |
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| 23:55.19 | cbreak | I wonder if it would be possible to modify OPie so, that each slice gets it's own override key binding. That way one could configure a ring to appear on 5, and configure slices to mapp to 2, 6, 8 and 4 (for example). |
| 23:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | So really, you just want Popup Actions, but arranged in a circle? :p http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11176-PopupActions.html |
| 23:57.47 | |pez| | Anyone here own a xbox they are able to sucessfully able to stream divx files to? |
| 23:57.56 | cbreak | arranged in a beautifully drawn and animated circle |
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