| 00:00.15 | Codex| | hehe |
| 00:01.27 | vithos | one time i got off a boat, stood about a yard away from it on the dock and went afk. when i came back it was just leaving.. and my character was floating in the air next to it, leaving with it |
| 00:02.37 | Dewin | I'm just glad I didn't get in trouble for abusing really, really bad lag the other day :) |
| 00:02.51 | Dewin | I died. Hit release spirit |
| 00:03.08 | Dewin | It took so long to send me to the graveyard that I was able to ressurect because I was close to my corpse. |
| 00:03.16 | Dewin | Ended up fully ressurected but teleported to the graveyard |
| 00:03.45 | Corrodias | i've done that |
| 00:03.54 | Corrodias | i think i did it inside an instance... |
| 00:04.03 | Corrodias | unfortunately, i don't remember the result |
| 00:04.08 | Dewin | Oh yeah, my wife zoned out of an instance after an instance lag |
| 00:04.16 | Dewin | She took the durability loss from dying, but came out alive. |
| 00:04.26 | Corrodias | hilarious |
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| 00:14.17 | Corrodias | Dewin: you probably would have been still with the boat when it reappeared |
| 00:14.25 | Corrodias | i'm sure i've done that, too |
| 00:14.35 | Corrodias | although with zeppelins in my case |
| 00:14.40 | Dewin | Corrodias: It wasn't worth a possible fatigue-based death to find out |
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| 01:00.56 | elite3vil | kd3: Nice haircut.. lolol. |
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| 01:04.42 | Fisker- | btw i hope you get killed by zombies Shirik |
| 01:05.05 | Shirik | I hope you're a zombie |
| 01:06.05 | sixcorners | I wish I didn't put ': \' into my C comments.. Missing lines of code ftl. |
| 01:06.24 | Shirik | why would you :/ |
| 01:07.36 | sixcorners | well.. been using _wchdir() to find and manipulate files and I commented '// it's like a bat file in here..' |
| 01:07.55 | NeoTron | Fisker-, this one is a good opportunity for you: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ldn/783766933.html |
| 01:08.03 | sixcorners | btw... is CRT stuff portable? |
| 01:09.34 | sixcorners | err.. the function changes the working directory.. like the cd command |
| 01:12.13 | Shirik | CRT? |
| 01:12.17 | Shirik | Cathode Ray Tube? |
| 01:12.33 | sixcorners | common language runtime |
| 01:12.38 | Shirik | that would be CLR |
| 01:12.44 | sixcorners | >.< |
| 01:13.01 | KarlKFI | calcium lime and rust? |
| 01:13.03 | Shirik | hence why the Visual Studio option is /clr:pure and not /crt:pure :P |
| 01:13.08 | sixcorners | dang accronyms.. |
| 01:13.18 | Shirik | And it's portable across Windows |
| 01:13.22 | Shirik | if that means anything |
| 01:13.39 | Shirik | it is theoretically portable across other OSes, however I don't think there's any implementation of it |
| 01:13.42 | Shirik | CLR is just bytecode, after all |
| 01:13.47 | Shirik | requires a VM |
| 01:13.55 | sixcorners | so.. why use CLR over the windows API? |
| 01:14.08 | Shirik | Because it's cross-language |
| 01:14.24 | sixcorners | I don't need that : \ |
| 01:14.29 | Shirik | Then don't use it |
| 01:14.31 | Shirik | I hate CLR personally |
| 01:14.44 | sixcorners | so.. there is no way to get a directory listing accross platforms? |
| 01:14.52 | KarlKFI | lulz |
| 01:14.56 | Shirik | there is a POSIX way |
| 01:15.00 | Shirik | Windows does not implement the POSIX way |
| 01:15.07 | KarlKFI | so that'd be a no |
| 01:15.11 | Shirik | Windows will need to do FindFirstFile, etc. |
| 01:15.20 | sixcorners | what is posix? |
| 01:15.25 | Shirik | !! |
| 01:15.31 | Shirik | ~wtf posix |
| 01:15.36 | Shirik | ~posix |
| 01:15.37 | purl | somebody said posix was The Portable Operating System Interface - The GNU library is also compatible with the IEEE POSIX family of standards, known more formally as the Portable Operating System Interface for Computer Environments. POSIX is derived mostly from various versions of the Unix operating system. |
| 01:15.37 | KarlKFI | there's all sorts of language specific wrappers tho |
| 01:15.37 | kd3 | rofl |
| 01:15.42 | sixcorners | right.. I have _findfirstfile() but that just calles the windows stuff |
| 01:16.06 | Shirik | POSIX is basically the standard calls of C |
| 01:16.23 | KarlKFI | so it crosses all platforms except windows |
| 01:16.28 | Shirik | pretty much |
| 01:16.35 | Shirik | Admittedly LINUX is not 100% POSIX compatible |
| 01:16.39 | Shirik | er |
| 01:16.40 | Shirik | Linux* |
| 01:16.47 | Shirik | However, very little is 100% compatible |
| 01:17.06 | sixcorners | hmm.. |
| 01:17.23 | Shirik | I think I have some POSIX code for enumerating files on my robot |
| 01:17.26 | Shirik | let me see if I can pull it up here |
| 01:19.54 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/100873 Start at line 63 |
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| 01:19.58 | Shirik | That's how POSIX does it |
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| 01:21.26 | sixcorners | think ive seen that somewhere before.. so.. im just going to have to use preprocessor directives and stuff and code for each platform? |
| 01:22.03 | KarlKFI | or at least 1 for unix based and one for windows based |
| 01:22.04 | Shirik | probably will have to do it two ways |
| 01:22.08 | Shirik | one for POSIX and one for Windows |
| 01:22.23 | Shirik | I have the luxury of only needing to code for QNX |
| 01:22.28 | Shirik | Which is 100% POSIX compliant :) |
| 01:23.26 | Shirik | don't you love some of my awesome code, though? |
| 01:23.30 | sixcorners | so.. there is no benefit to using CLR? I thought some of the function names looked like other operating system functions but with an added '_' or something.. |
| 01:23.33 | Shirik | (*moduleList)[--current]->unload(); |
| 01:23.35 | Shirik | That's always win ^ |
| 01:23.50 | Shirik | oh yes, sixcorners, many POSIX calls in Windows are prefixed with a _ |
| 01:23.54 | Shirik | who the hell knows why |
| 01:24.00 | Shirik | They just felt that it would be cool to put an underscore there |
| 01:24.37 | Shirik | Maybe to say "Hey don't use this, this is a POSIX call. Use our cooler stuff so that your stuff only works on Windows to make us monies!" |
| 01:24.54 | KarlKFI | might want to check out http://dclib.sourceforge.net/api.html he has some OO file browsing lib that can be compiled for posix or windows without changing the code |
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| 01:25.26 | Shirik | (the magic is that behind-the-scenes it already has those preprocessor directives abstracting your calls) |
| 01:26.32 | sixcorners | heh.. I was looking at the templated vector thing.. I havn't looked into C++ containers yet : \ |
| 01:26.50 | Shirik | heh |
| 01:26.52 | Shirik | don't worry about that :) |
| 01:27.02 | Shirik | The important calls are opendir and readdir |
| 01:34.58 | sixcorners | well.. I guess I could use a library.. |
| 01:35.57 | sixcorners | least it will get me away from this FindFirstFile/_findfirstfile nonsense.. |
| 01:37.57 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:38.01 | Shirik | I have to stab whomever made this makefile |
| 01:38.16 | Shirik | make clean... |
| 01:38.24 | Shirik | rm: cannot remove `./out/libserlib.a': No such file or directory |
| 01:38.24 | Shirik | make[2]: *** [clean] Error 1 |
| 01:38.34 | Shirik | ..... |
| 01:38.44 | Shirik | makefile should not fail just because there was nothing to clean |
| 01:40.39 | duaiwe | maybe it's an OCD makefile |
| 01:41.12 | Shirik | omg love this song so much |
| 01:41.36 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, so do i! |
| 01:41.41 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably not the same song, though |
| 01:41.58 | Shirik | Awesomness (despite the video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HhJkOsFus |
| 01:43.05 | Corrodias | yeah... don't watch swedish metal music videos |
| 01:43.11 | Corrodias | but i am a fan of Strat |
| 01:43.53 | Shirik | pandora knows me way too well |
| 01:45.14 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/17248747420a0025cc9c20f171206829859d371f/1226001873yuF5iwJ.jpg |
| 01:45.37 | |pez| | that's cute. |
| 01:45.53 | [dRaCo] | and awful nerdy |
| 01:46.24 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:46.42 | |pez| | Oh, you know your mind is corrupted, when it goes all naughty because of the words "Tell me more <insernamehere>" |
| 01:50.29 | Shirik | ~wtf ar |
| 01:52.19 | Shirik | Uh, quick question |
| 01:52.24 | Shirik | For all you *nix gurus out there |
| 01:52.31 | Shirik | Isn't ethernet generally something like "eth0" |
| 01:52.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:52.39 | Shirik | Why is it showing up as "fxp0"? |
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| 01:53.11 | sixcorners | f is after e, maybe its IPV6 |
| 01:53.21 | Shirik | No |
| 01:53.36 | Shirik | Not only do I know this network is not IPv6 because my school IT is not that smart, but it says the address |
| 01:53.44 | Kaso | fxp is BSDy isnt it? |
| 01:53.52 | Shirik | I dunno, I never used BSD |
| 01:54.22 | Shirik | Just confused because it used to be eth0, then I upgraded the OS and now it's "fxp0" |
| 01:54.28 | Thunder_Child | looks like thats the edfault |
| 01:54.30 | [dRaCo] | yeah, BSD style |
| 01:54.33 | Thunder_Child | default* |
| 01:54.36 | Kaso | http://www.digipedia.pl/man/fxp.4.html |
| 01:54.44 | Corrodias | Shirik: if you'd like some other Stratovarius songs, i have a bunch |
| 01:54.49 | Corrodias | to uh preview |
| 01:54.57 | Shirik | oh wow |
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| 01:55.03 | Shirik | they must have a driver specifically for our port now :/ |
| 01:55.11 | Thunder_Child | glad to see someone can take something so default and chage it |
| 01:55.14 | Corrodias | so you can buy it all after seeing you like it >_> |
| 01:55.14 | Thunder_Child | change* |
| 01:55.31 | Shirik | Thanks Kaso |
| 01:55.38 | Thunder_Child | and here i thought coders were lazy enough to use whats out there |
| 01:56.43 | Corrodias | "It has then been updated to use the busdma API and made endian-clean by Maxime Henrion." -- what does "endian-clean" mean? |
| 01:57.06 | NeoTron | byte order correct |
| 01:57.07 | Corrodias | device-specific functions for interpreting numbers or something? |
| 01:57.08 | kd3 | it doesn't matter whether it's run on a little-endian or a big-endian computer |
| 01:57.23 | Corrodias | i guess my question should be how it was done, not what it means |
| 01:57.35 | Tekkub | I like big-inthemiddlean |
| 01:57.41 | Shirik | ~lart Tekkub |
| 01:57.41 | purl | flings poo at Tekkub |
| 01:58.12 | Shirik | Corrodias: Generally it's done by using tricks to force it into a certain endian-ness |
| 01:58.37 | Shirik | Alternatively, if you don't need communication across multiple computers, you can just not care and "make it work" |
| 01:58.46 | Shirik | i.e., the code is independent of how it's stored |
| 01:58.57 | Thunder_Child | keep dreaming Tekkub |
| 01:59.05 | Shirik | You can detect endianness pretty easily |
| 02:00.07 | Shirik | union { char a; short b; }; b = 0x1234; if (a == 0x12) { /* Device is little-endian */ } else { /* Device is big-endian */ } |
| 02:00.34 | Shirik | except I have that backwards |
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| 02:00.37 | Shirik | but same difference |
| 02:00.38 | Corrodias | union, i'm not familiar with that one |
| 02:00.46 | Shirik | it basically means "stick these on top of each other" |
| 02:00.58 | Shirik | so the first byte of b is also shared by a |
| 02:01.05 | sixcorners | same data space, different ways to access it |
| 02:03.42 | Shirik | sigh |
| 02:03.44 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:03.55 | Shirik | One of my developers spent all this time to make QNX look like gentoo |
| 02:04.02 | Shirik | There's a new file on the robot |
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| 02:04.23 | Shirik | export PS1="\[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \\\$\[\033[00m\]" |
| 02:04.23 | Shirik | bash |
| 02:04.24 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:04.42 | Jeromy | in wrath how are 25 mans set versus 10mans, is it set to heroic? |
| 02:04.49 | [dRaCo] | what's that do? |
| 02:04.56 | Shirik | just makes it look like gentoo |
| 02:04.58 | Shirik | colors, etc. |
| 02:04.59 | kd3 | 25s are heroic, 10s are regular |
| 02:05.11 | Shirik | I want to know how much time he spent making those colors right |
| 02:05.15 | Jeromy | thanks kd3 |
| 02:05.58 | sixcorners | looks like regular exceptions.. or whatever that string thing is called |
| 02:07.43 | sixcorners | is there a tutorial or something on CMake? |
| 02:08.41 | sixcorners | I hate this thing.. everytime I press enter it stops being responsive and 'configures' something.. I keep pressing enter after I change a setting : \ |
| 02:09.16 | sixcorners | oh.. wait.. nvm.. found the project files |
| 02:17.14 | Corrodias | interesting, i had no idea i have 98 songs from strat |
| 02:20.29 | Tekkub | songs from strat? |
| 02:21.18 | Corrodias | Stratovarius, the group that made the song Shirik linked earlier |
| 02:22.45 | Shirik | I really wish people would stop editing my gdb script files |
| 02:25.16 | Shirik | I know I'm asking a lot of questions here but I am having a lot of trouble looking this stuff up :/ I had a command that modifies "solib-search-path" to add a search path |
| 02:25.28 | Shirik | I can do "set solib-search-path" in GDB, but that would overwrite what I already have. I don't want to do that |
| 02:25.35 | Shirik | how can I keep everything in it, and add to the rest of it? |
| 02:25.58 | Shirik | man gdb just mentions "set" |
| 02:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2008/11/06/lua-buglight-2-0-second-preview.aspx |
| 02:26.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That guy's blog post titles ALWAYS throw me off |
| 02:27.22 | Corrodias | "Explicit check for x86 -- sorry, the current version cannot be used on 64-bit versions of Windows." -- okay, what. |
| 02:27.33 | Corrodias | why would someone do that? |
| 02:28.09 | Shirik | I have a better one Corrodias |
| 02:28.17 | Shirik | I was installing a toolkit for Labview the other day, and it says this |
| 02:28.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Unrelated: http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewbaldwin/3005408279/ <-- win |
| 02:28.35 | Shirik | "Cannot install MATLAB support: The directory specified is a 64 bit directory. 32 bit files cannot be installed there." |
| 02:28.36 | Corrodias | wait, it looks like it uses a driver. wtf again! |
| 02:28.46 | Shirik | I would like to know what the definition of a "64 bit directory" is |
| 02:28.48 | Corrodias | ah yes, 64-bit directories. |
| 02:28.52 | Corrodias | that almost exists. |
| 02:29.15 | Shirik | So I created a link to the "64 bit directory" in a "32 bit directory" and it worked |
| 02:29.29 | Shirik | :D |
| 02:30.00 | Corrodias | congratulations! |
| 02:30.08 | Corrodias | but what's a 32 bit directory? |
| 02:30.23 | Shirik | Program Files (x86) |
| 02:30.27 | Shirik | instead of Program Files |
| 02:30.34 | Shirik | because there's a huge difference |
| 02:30.49 | Corrodias | of course, one has 32 more bits! in its bit box! |
| 02:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Also win: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Go-Phish.aspx |
| 02:32.20 | Corrodias | that is beautiful |
| 02:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And really just neat: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/11/06/redhat-amd-migrate-vms-across |
| 02:35.39 | Shirik | r123 | mpdelbuono | 2008-11-06 21:34:04 -0500 (Thu, 06 Nov 2008) | 2 lines |
| 02:35.39 | Shirik | Fixed up debug.sh so that it CORRECTLY creates the GDB script. DON'T MODIFY MY GDB SCRIPTS ANYMORE OR I WILL STAB YOU. THIS MEANS YOU ANDREW. |
| 02:35.49 | Shirik | Hopefully that will get the point across |
| 02:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. pillar of ferocity or terestrian's stranglestaff (with +35 agi) for cat dps >.> |
| 02:47.29 | AnduinLothar | oh nice, HoJ interupt now works on stun immune targets |
| 02:47.29 | Shirik | So I just saw something I've never seen before. Trying to get candy out of a vending machine and it gets jammed |
| 02:47.29 | Shirik | So I'm like "great, now I have to pay twice as much" right? |
| 02:47.32 | Shirik | But then it beeps 5 times and says "Please make another selection" |
| 02:47.42 | Shirik | and it let me choose something else |
| 02:47.51 | Corrodias | whoa |
| 02:48.11 | Corrodias | although i've never seen one get jammed |
| 02:48.30 | Shirik | Well we have morons filling our vending machines |
| 02:48.43 | Corrodias | although i guess i've only seen such a machine be operated about 6 times in my life so far |
| 02:48.49 | Shirik | ! |
| 02:48.52 | Shirik | I live off vending machines |
| 02:49.31 | AnduinLothar | Deep Wounds is a bleed, right? |
| 02:49.37 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 02:49.45 | Corrodias | not affected by armor! :D |
| 02:49.51 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:49.55 | Corrodias | or back in 2.1 anyway |
| 02:49.58 | Shirik | if you're bleeding, it doesn't matter how much armor you have |
| 02:50.01 | Shirik | you still gonna bleed |
| 02:50.07 | Corrodias | exactly, you see, that's the point of my statement |
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| 02:50.13 | AnduinLothar | Righteous Vengeance was changed to a bleed debuff |
| 02:50.16 | Corrodias | or exclamations |
| 02:51.12 | AnduinLothar | interesting |
| 02:52.49 | AnduinLothar | that's pretty brutal actually |
| 02:53.06 | AnduinLothar | dmg buff while decreasing burst |
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| 03:02.51 | Tekkub | god I'm a nerd |
| 03:03.01 | Tekkub | the mage T6 helm bothers me |
| 03:03.11 | Corrodias | why? |
| 03:03.26 | Tekkub | cause a tesla ladder doesn't work if the leads are parallel |
| 03:03.34 | Tekkub | they need to angle away from each other |
| 03:05.23 | Corrodias | maybe not if it's magical~ |
| 03:07.48 | Shirik | haha |
| 03:07.49 | Shirik | Tekkub |
| 03:08.09 | Tekkub | oh what so the laws of physics don't apply to majick now? |
| 03:08.43 | Tekkub | next you're gonna tell me that flying animals can hover in place (except hummingbirds) |
| 03:09.20 | Shirik | are you sure they're parallel/ |
| 03:09.21 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:09.24 | Shirik | And not just mostly parallel? |
| 03:09.42 | Tekkub | yes, I can tell now with my new vid card ^^ |
| 03:10.13 | AnduinLothar | maybe there's metal inside which isn't parallell |
| 03:10.51 | Shirik | fricking security just walked in |
| 03:10.56 | Shirik | "Hi, isn't this lab supposed to be closed?" |
| 03:11.01 | Shirik | "... I work here. Here's the key." |
| 03:11.07 | Tekkub | ALT TAB ALT TAB FUCK! *unplug* |
| 03:12.40 | Tekkub | wow I can see people flying in BEFORE they land |
| 03:12.43 | Tekkub | IN SHATT |
| 03:12.47 | Tekkub | *jizz* |
| 03:15.22 | Shirik | was it really that bad? |
| 03:15.32 | Tekkub | uhm, yea |
| 03:15.37 | Tekkub | I was on AGP |
| 03:16.11 | Tekkub | I now have effects maxed and 2x multisampling and still get 30-40 FPS in shatt |
| 03:16.25 | Tekkub | I used to be near-minimum with like, 5 FPS |
| 03:17.42 | Shirik | kek |
| 03:23.30 | Corrodias | multisampling? like aa or af? |
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| 03:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. But, teach a man to phish.." |
| 03:33.46 | AnduinLothar | and he'll become a millionaire? |
| 03:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If not, something close |
| 03:34.55 | |pez| | Did the Wind rider vendor use to be right outside Thrallmar, or am I just remembering horribly wrong? |
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| 03:36.56 | Corrodias | thrallmar? nah, he's in SMV |
| 03:37.31 | |pez| | Well, obviously now, but I seem to remember seeing a vendor. |
| 03:37.36 | |pez| | and I've never been in SMV |
| 03:38.03 | Corrodias | i think you were mistaken then, sadly |
| 03:38.24 | |pez| | poop |
| 03:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: be glad you weren't coated in scalding hot soup? |
| 03:41.16 | Shirik | I guess |
| 03:42.21 | Iriel | Actually that's agood point, it's still extremely hot |
| 03:42.34 | Iriel | so you definitely got the better choice in the ground |
| 03:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Shoulda tossed it on him |
| 03:42.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:42.42 | Shirik | mean |
| 03:43.07 | Shirik | I already have enough problems with people breaking my gdb scripts, I don't need hot soup too |
| 03:46.06 | Iriel | Ah, gdb, a delightful tool.. I spent many an hour thanking it for diagnosing my bugs |
| 03:46.35 | Shirik | Oh I have no problems with GDB. Unfortunately to debug this program I have something along the order of a 50 line GDB script to get everything set up |
| 03:46.41 | Iriel | Nowadays I debug telepathically |
| 03:46.44 | Shirik | And somebody thought it would be a "good idea" to rework the whole thing |
| 03:46.46 | Thunder_Child | and after all the time i spent bugging it Iriel |
| 03:46.56 | Shirik | And broke almost the whole thing |
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| 03:47.14 | Shirik | To the point where my last commit message says... |
| 03:47.41 | Shirik | r123 | mpdelbuono | 2008-11-06 21:34:04 -0500 (Thu, 06 Nov 2008) | 2 lines |
| 03:47.41 | Shirik | Fixed up debug.sh so that it CORRECTLY creates the GDB script. DON'T MODIFY MY GDB SCRIPTS ANYMORE OR I WILL STAB YOU. THIS MEANS YOU ANDREW. |
| 03:48.09 | Iriel | Did you put that in a comment in the script too? |
| 03:48.18 | Shirik | That's not a bad idea |
| 03:48.36 | Iriel | Experience tells me people who screw up scripts rarely check the commit logs |
| 03:48.57 | Shirik | Well fortunately he has to... sorta |
| 03:49.00 | NightHawkTheSane | s/who screw up scripts// |
| 03:49.02 | sylvanaar | you should make your script check md5 sym itself before it runs |
| 03:49.04 | Thunder_Child | i want to witness the first ever internet stabbing |
| 03:49.17 | Shirik | We use Crucible, so in theory it should be right there in front of his face |
| 03:49.18 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: truth. |
| 03:49.24 | Shirik | but for all I know he ignores it |
| 03:49.44 | Iriel | Shirik: 'see' and 'read' are often worlds apart |
| 03:49.50 | Shirik | yes >.> |
| 03:50.01 | sylvanaar | not to mention comprehend |
| 03:51.46 | Iriel | Hm, so i'm trying to decide between fallout 3, and firing up eclipse to finish something I startted at work |
| 03:52.01 | cbreak | would you get paid for the work? |
| 03:52.16 | sylvanaar | you can play fallout while waiting for eclipse to launch |
| 03:52.17 | cbreak | if not, do what's most fun. |
| 03:52.18 | Iriel | cbreak: I'm salaried, so not exactly. |
| 03:52.25 | Iriel | They're both about the same fun |
| 03:52.28 | Iriel | thus my dilemma |
| 03:52.38 | Iriel | sylvanaar: It's not /that/ slow 8-) |
| 03:52.42 | cbreak | only one screen? :) |
| 03:52.53 | Iriel | one would be on my TV, the other on my laptop |
| 03:52.57 | Iriel | I could pretend to do both |
| 03:53.03 | sylvanaar | Iriel it was a joke |
| 03:53.05 | Iriel | but really i'd be doing one and ignoring the other at all times |
| 03:53.21 | Iriel | sylvanaar: I'm an emacs user, i'm used to editor hate 8-) |
| 03:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait what? .. emacs? |
| 03:53.43 | sylvanaar | Iriel you can do what I do, run eclipse, then spend the rest of your time trying to update it |
| 03:54.08 | Iriel | I hate its updater |
| 03:54.26 | Iriel | though it's nicer in newer versions than it used to be |
| 03:54.28 | sylvanaar | oh, and then restore from backup, and continue what you were doing |
| 03:54.30 | Iriel | (that's not really difficult) |
| 03:55.26 | sylvanaar | that pretty much summarizes alot of my eclipse experiences - though I havent needed to do anything in java since 2004 |
| 03:55.53 | Iriel | Ah, I tried and discarded eclipse back in the 2002-2004ish timeframe (and stuck with emacs) |
| 03:56.04 | Iriel | It's only the last few years that I've let it back in my life and it's a lot more stable |
| 03:56.21 | Iriel | (though it still fails to get its code flow analysis right, leading to spurious "is always null at..." warnings) |
| 03:56.39 | sylvanaar | how many keys can be in an emacs keyboard shortcut? |
| 03:56.47 | Iriel | as many as you want 8-) |
| 03:56.51 | sylvanaar | sequential keypresses |
| 03:56.51 | cbreak | more than on a keyboard. |
| 03:57.00 | Iriel | Seriously, it can go as long as you want it to |
| 03:57.08 | NightHawkTheSane | how long do you want to spend typing it? :p |
| 03:57.10 | Iriel | There may be an arbitrary limit somewhere, but I suspect not. |
| 03:57.33 | Iriel | I dont think people really bother beyond 4 |
| 03:57.43 | Iriel | it's usually easier to use M-x and then type the command |
| 03:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Something high enough that if you hit it, you doing something terribly wrong |
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| 04:03.28 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 04:03.35 | Shirik | The guys over in ##c++ just gave me a great idea |
| 04:03.49 | Shirik | If you overload operator ^, it is possible to make ^_^ a valid code sequence |
| 04:03.54 | Shirik | I'm going to have to find a way to put that in my code |
| 04:04.17 | cbreak | ... |
| 04:04.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:05.19 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 04:05.23 | Shirik | rawr |
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| 04:17.31 | Syzgyn | Can you use lazy * in regex's in lua? |
| 04:17.52 | Tem | what's defined as a "lazy *" ? |
| 04:18.37 | Syzgyn | ends at the first completion, instead of the last possible |
| 04:19.01 | Syzgyn | ".*?" matches "def" in abc "def" "ghi" jkl |
| 04:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | non-greedy? |
| 04:19.08 | Syzgyn | yeah, that |
| 04:19.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe you can, i forget though |
| 04:19.32 | Tem | .- |
| 04:19.42 | Syzgyn | oo |
| 04:19.57 | Tem | lua_bot, ("abc"):match(".-") |
| 04:20.04 | Syzgyn | ~Tem++ |
| 04:20.06 | Syzgyn | <3 |
| 04:20.08 | Tem | lua>("abc"):match(".-") |
| 04:20.08 | lua_bot | Tem: No output |
| 04:20.21 | Tem | hrm |
| 04:20.34 | Syzgyn | It worked in game |
| 04:20.34 | Tem | lua>("abc"):match("(.-)") |
| 04:20.34 | lua_bot | Tem: No output |
| 04:20.39 | Tem | lua>("abc"):match("a(.-)") |
| 04:20.40 | lua_bot | Tem: No output |
| 04:20.50 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 04:21.10 | Tem | if it worked for you, great |
| 04:21.20 | Tem | I don't know why, but I never get regexen right on the first try |
| 04:21.28 | Tem | even when they're trivially easy |
| 04:21.56 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/Pattern_matching |
| 04:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | that has - in it |
| 04:23.24 | Tem | lua>("abc"):match("(.-)c") |
| 04:23.24 | lua_bot | Tem: ab |
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| 04:23.58 | Tem | why doesn't it just match 'b'? |
| 04:24.07 | Syzgyn | the c |
| 04:24.20 | Syzgyn | lua>("abc"):match("(.-)") |
| 04:24.20 | lua_bot | Syzgyn: No output |
| 04:24.24 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 04:24.27 | Tem | it should match the smallest possible string |
| 04:24.36 | Syzgyn | lua>("abc"):match("a(.-)") |
| 04:24.36 | lua_bot | Syzgyn: No output |
| 04:24.36 | Tem | I didn't tell it that it had to start at the beginning for it to be a match |
| 04:24.42 | Syzgyn | thats kinda weird |
| 04:24.47 | Tem | so I expected it to start at the b |
| 04:25.21 | Tem | lua>("abc"):match("a") |
| 04:25.21 | lua_bot | Tem: a |
| 04:28.47 | Syzgyn | lua>("abc"):match(".-") |
| 04:28.47 | lua_bot | Syzgyn: No output |
| 04:28.52 | Syzgyn | lua>("abc"):match("a.-") |
| 04:28.52 | lua_bot | Syzgyn: a |
| 04:29.11 | Syzgyn | meh, whatever |
| 04:29.32 | Syzgyn | I'm doing all this during felmyst attempts :P |
| 04:29.56 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 04:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | lua>("abc"):match("a.") |
| 04:30.17 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: ab |
| 04:30.21 | NightHawkTheSane | lua>("abc"):match("a.-") |
| 04:30.21 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: a |
| 04:30.38 | NightHawkTheSane | lua>("abc"):match("a.*") |
| 04:30.38 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: abc |
| 04:30.45 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 04:31.55 | NightHawkTheSane | I believe what's happening is that since "-" is 'zero or more of the previous character, shortest match', it will actually just match zero characters for ".-" |
| 04:31.58 | cog|away | NSFW http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/fea3147f5f/i-google-myself-erik-weiner-from-erikweiner |
| 04:32.07 | cbreak | lua>("abcde"):match("a.-e") |
| 04:32.07 | lua_bot | cbreak: abcde |
| 04:32.11 | NightHawkTheSane | which, i don't think is POSIX or pcre compliant. |
| 04:32.11 | cbreak | yes. |
| 04:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | but, this is neither, so meh |
| 04:32.36 | cbreak | it's not propper regular expression syntax anyway. |
| 04:32.41 | NightHawkTheSane | right |
| 04:33.54 | Shirik | Meh |
| 04:34.00 | Shirik | it's possible to do that in regular expressions too |
| 04:34.05 | Shirik | just Lua is not regular expressions |
| 04:34.16 | Shirik | a.+?e is the equivalent |
| 04:34.31 | End | yeah, that's why the documentation calls them "patterns" |
| 04:34.37 | NightHawkTheSane | errr.. |
| 04:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, im tired.. |
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| 04:40.19 | Xinhuan | Iriel |
| 04:40.31 | Xinhuan | the LoadOnDemand bug isn't fully fixed in 3.0.3 |
| 04:41.02 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10971929880&sid=1 |
| 04:41.10 | Xinhuan | see last post |
| 04:42.27 | Xinhuan | there's another even worse bug now |
| 04:42.28 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12354805813&sid=1 |
| 04:42.44 | Tekkub | demanding bitch |
| 04:42.46 | Xinhuan | IsAddOnLoaded() return values are broken across reloadUI |
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| 04:43.18 | Xinhuan | and this optdep/reqdep loading order isn't maintained during a reloadui |
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| 04:46.41 | Thunder_Child | this is a free service |
| 04:46.51 | Shirik | I know |
| 04:46.55 | Shirik | I'm just giving them crap |
| 04:47.06 | Shirik | In all honesty, freenode netsplits far less than most of the other networks I've been on |
| 04:47.12 | Shirik | and considering freenode is pretty damn big... |
| 04:47.22 | Shirik | Nothing like quakenet's daily splits, lol |
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| 04:57.28 | Thunder_Child | ~sad Shirik |
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| 05:02.53 | Thunder_Child | purl, sad $1 is <action> shakes her head sadly at $1 |
| 05:02.54 | purl | okay, Thunder_Child |
| 05:02.56 | Thunder_Child | ~sad Shirik |
| 05:02.57 | purl | ACTION shakes her head sadly at Shirik |
| 05:04.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:19.22 | Syzgyn | hehe |
| 05:27.10 | Tem | ugh |
| 05:27.19 | Tem | anyone used relative filenames in xml lately? |
| 05:30.24 | clad|sleep | LightHeaded does every day |
| 05:30.38 | clad|sleep | actually, I use them in the .toc |
| 05:30.40 | clad|sleep | hrm |
| 05:30.49 | clad|sleep | so no. |
| 05:35.34 | Tem | clad|sleep, do you cover that in the book, maybe? |
| 05:35.49 | clad|sleep | no, I'm not sure it "works" in XML |
| 05:35.57 | clad|sleep | I know it works in .toc files |
| 05:36.19 | Tem | I know it works for the <Script> tag |
| 05:36.28 | Tem | and I had assumed that it worked for other file tags in xml |
| 05:36.34 | clad|sleep | oh, no |
| 05:36.36 | Tem | I need it :( |
| 05:36.43 | clad|sleep | all texture paths have to be absolute as far as I am aware |
| 05:36.52 | Tem | god |
| 05:36.53 | Tem | fucking |
| 05:36.54 | Tem | damnit |
| 05:37.02 | clad|sleep | well you can get your path in lua |
| 05:37.05 | clad|sleep | why does it need to be XML? |
| 05:37.11 | Tem | I can get my path in lua? |
| 05:37.14 | Tem | say what? |
| 05:37.21 | clad|sleep | yes |
| 05:37.23 | clad|sleep | cause an error |
| 05:37.26 | clad|sleep | and look at the stack traceback |
| 05:37.30 | Tem | ew |
| 05:37.38 | clad|sleep | or just call debugstack() |
| 05:37.42 | clad|sleep | either way the information is there |
| 05:37.48 | Tem | well, this is a hack anyway |
| 05:37.52 | Tem | that one is a lesser hack |
| 05:37.57 | Tem | Thanks, cladhaire :) |
| 05:38.13 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 05:38.27 | clad|sleep | ask slouken to allow us to specify the binary data in Lua |
| 05:38.48 | clad|sleep | so we can :SetLuaTexture("\some\tga\data\here") |
| 05:38.59 | Tem | I like that even less |
| 05:39.08 | clad|sleep | hahah |
| 05:39.12 | clad|sleep | i've used that idea in other projects |
| 05:39.16 | clad|sleep | its actually quite useful |
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| 05:40.06 | Tem | If we could just get texcoords on embedded textures I'd be set |
| 05:41.18 | Tem | it's frustrating to have to include textures for things that are already in the game files :( |
| 05:41.50 | End | class icons or something? |
| 05:42.02 | clad|sleep | well stop using embedded textures |
| 05:42.02 | Xinhuan | why can't you just use the game files |
| 05:42.07 | clad|sleep | if you dont want to settexcoord :P |
| 05:42.08 | clad|sleep | err |
| 05:42.10 | clad|sleep | since you can't. |
| 05:42.20 | clad|sleep | wow |
| 05:42.22 | clad|sleep | 2067 auctions in my AH |
| 05:42.26 | clad|sleep | so lame =( |
| 05:42.42 | Tekkub | in *YOUR* AH or your server's? |
| 05:42.46 | clad|sleep | my servers |
| 05:42.52 | Tekkub | that is lame |
| 05:42.56 | Tekkub | mine's usually 15k |
| 05:42.59 | clad|sleep | 15 : 85 alliance to horde ratio here |
| 05:43.14 | Tekkub | I don't see the problem |
| 05:43.17 | End | my server usually has ~14k |
| 05:43.20 | clad|sleep | and the horde that are here ensure that no one has fun |
| 05:43.22 | Tem | wow clad|sleep |
| 05:43.27 | Tem | that's even worse than my server |
| 05:43.30 | Tem | 1:3.6 |
| 05:43.47 | clad|sleep | yeah it sucks |
| 05:44.10 | Tem | pve server? |
| 05:44.17 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 05:44.18 | clad|sleep | http://s216.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/dpstheskullffs/hahahazi6.jpg |
| 05:44.27 | clad|sleep | Tem: no, thats part of the problem |
| 05:44.33 | End | lol |
| 05:44.47 | clad|sleep | Tem: There's so many of them as soon you step into contested zones.. you get killed by a mob of horde |
| 05:44.59 | Tem | oh, you're alliance |
| 05:45.15 | clad|sleep | yes, which is haste and Industrial's "fault" |
| 05:45.18 | clad|sleep | but the damage is done :P |
| 05:45.25 | Tem | ratio is screwed up everywhere |
| 05:45.30 | Tem | people go horde on pvp servers |
| 05:45.33 | Tem | and alliance on pve |
| 05:45.37 | clad|sleep | aye |
| 05:45.45 | clad|sleep | but RC was alliance heavy |
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| 05:45.55 | clad|sleep | just was a terrible server as far as queues and lag |
| 05:46.06 | clad|sleep | Vek'nilash is much much better in that regard |
| 05:46.09 | clad|sleep | but we have this prblem now :P |
| 05:46.23 | clad|sleep | and I'm two-boxing, so I'm under geared and under statted |
| 05:46.33 | clad|sleep | at least i can kill things on my druid still |
| 05:46.33 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 05:47.04 | Tem | so Barack is a priest and Biden is a warrior? |
| 05:47.39 | Tem | and ANGRY warrior |
| 05:47.45 | Tem | s/and/an/ |
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| 05:51.06 | WobWork | fuuullll of raaaage |
| 05:51.20 | End | yes, but he still manages to smile! |
| 05:52.13 | WobWork | Barack is a shadow disc priest it appears =) |
| 05:55.31 | Tem | WobWork, should that frighten me? |
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| 06:04.37 | smcn | he's a secret warlock |
| 06:04.49 | smcn | pals around with demons |
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| 06:05.17 | smcn | he's going to implement guild taxes to spread our gold around |
| 06:05.20 | smcn | etc. |
| 06:05.36 | End | and his middle name is kiljaeden! |
| 06:05.44 | smcn | yes! |
| 06:06.02 | smcn | and did you notice how his name sort of sounds like kael'thas? |
| 06:06.05 | smcn | okay, maybe not |
| 06:06.09 | End | heh |
| 06:06.15 | smcn | i can't think of any more freeper analogies |
| 06:09.24 | Silentspy | guild taxes you say? |
| 06:09.37 | Silentspy | blizzard should implent that to make guild bank increase gold amount.. |
| 06:09.39 | Silentspy | very clever thing |
| 06:10.18 | Tem | people have suggested it |
| 06:10.41 | Silentspy | they had any blue answer? |
| 06:11.31 | Tem | "it's an interesting idea" |
| 06:11.31 | Silentspy | hehe |
| 06:11.32 | Silentspy | i bet they still think about guild house |
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| 06:38.13 | smcn | imo the only way housing can work in wow is daoc-style, but i don't know how they would fit it into lore |
| 06:38.42 | smcn | or maybe eq2/ff style but those were pretty dumb imo |
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| 07:16.31 | End | yup, azuregos is still insane |
| 07:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | oooh. my first charge on my first mr pinchy and i get the pet :D |
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| 07:17.01 | End | nice |
| 07:17.08 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: die. |
| 07:17.15 | End | I have two of the pet |
| 07:18.00 | End | :D |
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| 07:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | amusingly, i also only hit 375 fishing yesterday :) |
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| 07:26.26 | Lyn | meeehh... lectures are off :( professor is sick ... meh.. and now i am here :x |
| 07:27.17 | Xinhuan | :p |
| 07:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | woo |
| 07:27.40 | Xinhuan | Iriel around? |
| 07:28.08 | Lyn | ._. |
| 07:28.57 | Xinhuan | so why aren't you on wow :) |
| 07:29.58 | Lyn | who? |
| 07:30.01 | Xinhuan | you ;p |
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| 07:30.46 | Lyn | sitting now at work |
| 07:30.59 | Lyn | good thing is, i can go ~2-3 hours earlier |
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| 07:50.21 | Lyn | lalalalalala coffee :D |
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| 07:56.40 | MentalPower | sigh... what a low way to sell an account... bad Vonage BAD! |
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| 08:36.59 | Iriel | Xinhuan: still here? |
| 08:37.04 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 08:38.24 | Xinhuan | mainly wanted to catch your attention so you can email the right people ;p |
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| 08:41.43 | Iriel | Xinhuan: for the LoD isue? |
| 08:41.49 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 08:42.25 | Xinhuan | and possibly also the IsAddOnLoaded() issue |
| 08:42.49 | Iriel | I've passed it on |
| 08:43.12 | Xinhuan | i do not think IsAddOnLoaded() should ever return "nil, 1" lol |
| 08:44.01 | Iriel | Xinhuan: I'd be inclined to agree |
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| 08:47.42 | cladhaire | didn't beta servers go down? |
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| 08:48.01 | Tekkub | ya |
| 08:51.35 | cladhaire | even EU? |
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| 10:02.41 | Movix | what is the best way to extract parts of a string ? i explain |
| 10:02.42 | Movix | format_str = "%s has kicked %s from %s" |
| 10:02.42 | Movix | str = "Bignoob has kicked littlenoob from noobgroup" |
| 10:02.42 | Movix | to get var1= "bignoob", var2 = "bignoob" and var3 = "noobgourp" |
| 10:02.42 | Movix | ? |
| 10:03.11 | Movix | var2="littlenoob" ! |
| 10:03.32 | krka | use string.match |
| 10:04.16 | krka | local var1, var2, var3 = ("Bignoob has kicked littlenoob from noobgroup"):match("^(.*) has kicked (.*) from (.*)$") |
| 10:05.28 | Movix | ok, thats what i guessed for now, but how to get format_str into the parameter of match ? |
| 10:06.33 | krka | replace %s with (.*) |
| 10:06.34 | amro | string.gsub |
| 10:06.42 | krka | i think there exists reverse formatters |
| 10:06.49 | krka | like in some ace library or whatever |
| 10:06.51 | Slakah | "^"..format_str:gsub("(%%.)", "(.+)").."$" |
| 10:06.58 | krka | i think i even wrote one myself earlier |
| 10:07.48 | Movix | ok, thanks i will try to get more familiar with regex, it's still difficult for me ! :-( |
| 10:08.45 | amro | Movix: http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html |
| 10:11.15 | Movix | i'd like to parse the CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM events combined with the globalstrings.lua format strings to react on different strings like "player has come online", "player joined the guild" by using the globalstrings.lua variables. Once a CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM msg matches one of those i'm looking for, i'd like to extract the %s vairiables |
| 10:11.32 | Movix | pfu takes long for me to writte english! |
| 10:12.32 | Movix | amro: thx will look at this |
| 10:13.48 | Movix | this all means that i have to build the regex string progammaticaly |
| 10:14.41 | Movix | 750435 |
| 10:14.48 | Movix | ops |
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| 10:19.37 | cladhaire | Movix: specifically what you're looking for is Deformat |
| 10:19.45 | cladhaire | or a deformat like function, ckknight had one a while ago |
| 10:19.52 | cladhaire | I'm not sure if that's still around, or what |
| 10:19.57 | krka | i have one somewhere |
| 10:20.04 | cladhaire | huzzah! |
| 10:20.05 | krka | probably on my home computer that's turned off at the moment |
| 10:20.15 | krka | (i argued that mine was better than ckknights :P) |
| 10:20.19 | cladhaire | Movix: because you have to worry about the format selectors that can change argument order |
| 10:20.25 | cladhaire | krka: Naturally :P |
| 10:20.48 | krka | it's kind of sad, but that's generally how i motivate writing any code :) |
| 10:20.59 | Movix | yes cladhaire that's what i said yesterday, that for the moment this way seems not very secure to me |
| 10:21.07 | cladhaire | heh, wow |
| 10:21.16 | cladhaire | Movix: it isn't.. and at least three people have already done the work on this :P |
| 10:21.56 | cladhaire | http://www.wowace.com/projects/deformat/ is ckknight's version, but I have no idea if it even works |
| 10:22.39 | Movix | ok, i will have a look at this |
| 10:22.50 | Movix | thx very much |
| 10:22.52 | mikma | bondtime soon! |
| 10:38.35 | shalafi | so i guess i can2t read from txt files using wow lua but isntead |
| 10:38.39 | shalafi | i have to use addon config file |
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| 11:21.05 | Movix | is there a way to get my addon notified that a guild member comes online if the notification is disabled in the client interface options ? |
| 11:22.44 | zenzio | does the event actually stop firing if you disable the notification? I assumed all that setting did was toggle the display |
| 11:23.26 | Movix | what event ? i did not find any concerning this in the API eventz |
| 11:24.20 | zenzio | try enabling the notification and use DevTools' /dtchatevent, see which event triggers it |
| 11:24.37 | Movix | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM ;-) |
| 11:24.53 | zenzio | well then you already know the event |
| 11:24.55 | Movix | so it's the display toggled by the client interface options |
| 11:25.45 | Movix | by disabling it in the clients interface options the CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM is no more fired for the connect/disconnect event |
| 11:26.07 | zenzio | how are you determining this? Monitoring CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM? |
| 11:26.18 | Movix | yes |
| 11:26.48 | zenzio | that sounds like a peculiar behaviour, but I can't test it myself so I'm out of ideas :-p |
| 11:27.24 | Movix | you think that the message is perhaps filtered by the client using ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter ? |
| 11:28.16 | zenzio | I would have thought that the chat frames would filter it, yes, but I have never worked with the guild mate notifications myself so it's just speculation on my part |
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| 11:29.26 | Lonny`afk | hmm, I think you're confusing things abit, if that's the right event to monitor it, it should always be fired regardless to the display, events are always in the work :P |
| 11:30.00 | zenzio | that's what I thought too, but he says he is monitoring it |
| 11:37.12 | Lonny`afk | Hmm Movix, have you tried 'CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_JOIN' ? |
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| 11:39.22 | Movix | i used ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter to trap the message, after using the frame event monitoring it works, sorry |
| 11:39.27 | Movix | learning every day ! |
| 11:40.46 | Lonny`afk | :) |
| 11:45.14 | zenzio | Movix: doh, sorry about that - I assumed you were monitoring the message through :RegisterEvent() |
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| 12:30.23 | krka | ok, someone try typing: "are you pondering what i'm pondering?" |
| 12:34.32 | Godzmack_ | it's a trap! |
| 12:35.26 | krka | might be! |
| 12:35.59 | Mikk | are you pondering what i'm pondering? |
| 12:35.59 | krka | Wuh, I think so, Mikk, but how will we get three pink flamingos into one pair of Capri pants? |
| 12:36.15 | krka | it's working! |
| 12:37.00 | Mikk | Now let's hope it keeps working 10 years from now or so, because that's about how long you'll have to wait until someone actually types that! |
| 12:37.31 | krka | true |
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| 12:44.16 | |pez| | Soo.. what's the mininum level you have to be to get into RFC? |
| 12:45.40 | zenzio | RFC? Not much... something 10-13? Can't remember exactly |
| 12:45.45 | zenzio | did you roll a new horde? |
| 12:46.06 | |pez| | Mmm |
| 12:46.29 | |pez| | and I'm planning on making the boyfriend run me and the friend I'm playing with through it. and my char is lvl 10. |
| 12:46.32 | zenzio | I thought you were working your way to 70? |
| 12:47.46 | |pez| | I am that too. |
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| 12:51.01 | amnith | RFC has no level requirement IIRC. |
| 12:51.25 | amnith | If it has, it's probably not more than level 5. |
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| 12:57.27 | elite3vil | It's 8. |
| 12:57.47 | cbreak | where's RFC? |
| 12:58.31 | Fisker- | MADNESS |
| 12:58.46 | elite3vil | woo, server shutdowns... AGAIN |
| 12:59.16 | cbreak | Madness? This is madness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1_RFC |
| 12:59.28 | elite3vil | If after all these, stuff doesn't work on Thursday... I'm gonna go insane. |
| 13:05.11 | zenzio | cbreak: RFC is in Orgrimmar |
| 13:05.52 | cbreak | oh, that one is boring. Hard to reach, took me three deaths :( |
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| 13:09.28 | Nom- | Yeah, you'd hope that the reason they're doing all this is to minimize outages on Thursday |
| 13:09.37 | Nom- | But I get the feeling that's *not* the case |
| 13:10.07 | Nom- | Maybe someone found a way to solo KJ and they had to fix it :P |
| 13:17.33 | Nom- | hmmmpf |
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| 13:17.41 | Nom- | my wow client is showing me zero realms now |
| 13:17.47 | Nom- | they must have done a proper shutdown |
| 13:17.53 | Nom- | emergency patch i gues |
| 13:17.54 | Nom- | *guess |
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| 13:34.59 | Nom- | wow... serious downtime... i wonder what they found |
| 13:35.46 | opant | 2 night elfs, 1 orc |
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| 14:05.01 | zenzio | happy Friday, peppy |
| 14:05.15 | Lopeppeppy | happy Friday, zenzio. *hugs* |
| 14:07.12 | zenzio | "Amazon.co.uk -- Supporting Santa since 1998" o_O |
| 14:07.31 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 14:09.09 | Maldivia | no no... happy J-Day :) |
| 14:09.48 | Nom- | finally servers are coming back up |
| 14:09.53 | Nom- | epic downtime for a Friday night :( |
| 14:10.15 | zenzio | Maldivia: J-day? |
| 14:10.48 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, you are correct in that it is indeed J-day. |
| 14:13.06 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy :) |
| 14:13.24 | Lopeppeppy | *happy wiggle* I doubt we mean the same thing, but it's neat anyway. |
| 14:13.44 | krka | J-Day? |
| 14:13.55 | Maldivia | zenzio: Danes celebrating the release of the yearly christmas beer - by drinking a lot of them :) |
| 14:14.40 | zenzio | judging by the Danish warlock in my guild, there is a matching day for each other letter in the alphabet too |
| 14:14.42 | Maldivia | the breweries actually hands them out freely at various bars |
| 14:14.42 | zenzio | ;-o |
| 14:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | J Day. Peppy has random celerations because it's Friday. |
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| 14:26.04 | Nom- | What's a celeration ? |
| 14:26.50 | zenzio | probably something to do with celery |
| 14:26.55 | zenzio | or Celerons |
| 14:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | The Hadron Accelerator thingie. |
| 14:28.58 | Nom- | wtb my realm up |
| 14:29.50 | Nom- | I've decided I want to roll a shaman properly :) |
| 14:30.22 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, Nom- ! |
| 14:30.41 | Nom- | what's the way to go until dual wield... sword'n'board ? |
| 14:32.14 | Lopeppeppy | I like it better than 2H as a baby shaman, but I'm still a very-baby. |
| 14:33.22 | zenzio | <Lopeppeppy> The Hadron Accelerator thingie. <-- so you're saying you have random accelerations? |
| 14:33.37 | Codex| | eek- i read the Hardon Accelerator |
| 14:33.44 | zenzio | ... |
| 14:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, yes. Codex|, see me in my office after class. :) |
| 14:34.16 | Codex| | :P |
| 14:34.18 | zenzio | Codex|: must be icky reading about the Large Hadron Collider then |
| 14:34.25 | Codex| | LOL |
| 14:34.53 | Nom- | heh |
| 14:34.59 | Nom- | OUCH is all you could say to that |
| 14:35.45 | Nom- | or, "Open Other End |
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| 14:36.06 | Lopeppeppy | Bad Nom-. |
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| 14:38.44 | Nom- | "Wrong Way, Back Out" ? |
| 14:39.29 | Codex| | are Flame Shockers part of the zombie invasion? |
| 14:39.45 | Codex| | because theres one in SW, and I thought zombies were done |
| 14:40.01 | elite3vil | that's part of the scourge invasion |
| 14:40.09 | elite3vil | different than the zombie invasion |
| 14:40.11 | elite3vil | =P |
| 14:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | The big zombie thing is over, but there is still low-impact Argent Dawnie stuff happening pre Wrath. |
| 14:40.24 | Codex| | oh haha |
| 14:40.42 | Codex| | thouight i made a char on a server thats stuck in the past |
| 14:40.44 | Codex| | :P |
| 14:40.44 | cbreak | The LHC is down until next summer |
| 14:40.59 | Lopeppeppy | what, cbreak? |
| 14:41.03 | cbreak | for repairs of the broken parts (some of the superconducting wire was vaporized) |
| 14:41.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Hadron Collider. |
| 14:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | I was reading that as Light's Hope Chapel, given the zombie discussion... *sigh* |
| 14:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | DO NOT MIX GENRES!! :p |
| 14:41.46 | cbreak | (and the electricity in winter is too expensive for it to run anyway) |
| 14:42.08 | elite3vil | So. I pre-ordered a copy of wotlk on gamestop's website, but realized that it wouldn't get here til 4pm on the 13th. Which is unacceptable.. but it's already been picked for shipping.. So now I have to return it to the store and call them after I do so to get it refunded to my card. :x |
| 14:42.37 | selckin | think before you act |
| 14:42.57 | Nom- | 4pm on the 13th? |
| 14:43.04 | cbreak | collectors edition? |
| 14:43.07 | Nom- | I might be lucky to get mine at 10am on the 14th |
| 14:43.37 | Lopeppeppy | I felt lucky to get a CE order at all, so I just suck it up that it won't be with me until the 16th. |
| 14:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | The servers won't be stable anyway, and I'm not in a hurry to get to 80, so why fuss? I get my pet and my soundtrack, I'm happy. |
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| 14:44.21 | elite3vil | Yeah, I'm in a hurry to get to 80 though, so 16 extra hours makes a difference. :P |
| 14:44.25 | cbreak | I am happy that I found a place where I can order the english version... |
| 14:46.20 | Codex| | ill be the worlds first 80 |
| 14:46.21 | Codex| | :) |
| 14:46.41 | MoonWolf | yeah, right. |
| 14:47.29 | cbreak | you and which army (of chinese powerlevelers) |
| 14:48.16 | elite3vil | I'm still debating which spec I'm going to level as. |
| 14:48.40 | elite3vil | I was thinking prot at first, but now that I've tried ret.. I dunno (This is the first time I've been ret since 2.3.2 |
| 14:48.50 | Nom- | Ret I reckon |
| 14:48.53 | Nom- | Mana is still pretty good |
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| 14:49.22 | elite3vil | Prot was nice too though, 'cause I don't take any damage |
| 14:49.38 | Nom- | Yeah, but ret gets instant flash of light |
| 14:49.46 | elite3vil | Yeah, I know. |
| 14:49.52 | Nom- | and i hardly ever have to heal with it anyway |
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| 14:50.09 | Nom- | prot suffers from the fight-drink-repeat problem though i think |
| 14:50.14 | elite3vil | Not at all |
| 14:50.19 | Nom- | The new BoSanc helps, but not enough i don't think |
| 14:50.21 | elite3vil | I'm usually at 100% hp/mana |
| 14:50.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ret is good for leveling. Holy has had our DPS nerfed even more, I doubt that I'll be able to level that way myself. |
| 14:50.27 | elite3vil | at the end of a fight. |
| 14:51.07 | elite3vil | bosanc is amazing, as long as you're not pulling single mobs (which, why would you as prot.. or ret for that matter)? |
| 14:51.19 | elite3vil | er *matter?) |
| 14:51.29 | Nom- | ret is actually really powerful as single target |
| 14:52.16 | cbreak | I'll level as frost, like all those times before. :) |
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| 14:53.56 | elite3vil | Should I be using goose on my ret weapon instead of exe now? |
| 14:54.41 | [dRaCo] | most rets seem to use mongoose now |
| 14:56.07 | Nom- | hmmm last i heard, 70AP was still the best |
| 14:56.32 | elite3vil | still? I never knew it to be the best to begin with. :P |
| 14:56.43 | Nom- | lol yeah it was |
| 14:56.48 | Nom- | mongoose does bugger all for us |
| 14:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | Bugger all, I tell you! |
| 14:57.52 | [dRaCo] | just checked: the few non-retarded rets my server still use savagery |
| 14:58.00 | [dRaCo] | so it probably still is the best |
| 14:58.03 | elite3vil | odd. |
| 14:58.21 | elite3vil | I'll have to toss it onto a vellum and reenchant this felspine |
| 14:58.33 | Nom- | Yeah, and I had a SWP guild have a go at me for having savagery on mine |
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| 14:58.51 | Nom- | had to kindly inform them that they're idiots and savagery is still the best dps enchant (it was at the time, not sure about now) |
| 14:59.13 | Nom- | certainly not the case for warriors or rogues, but pallies... yep |
| 14:59.47 | Nom- | the argument is actually between executioner and savagery atm |
| 14:59.51 | Kraps | i got all 4 pieces of undead plate :D |
| 14:59.56 | Nom- | as far as i know |
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| 15:01.02 | Kraps | any idea why there are restarts 2 days in a row? |
| 15:01.11 | Nom- | I'm guessing they're patching exploits |
| 15:01.21 | ZorbaTHut | or doing some last-minute serverside Wrath tweaks |
| 15:01.25 | Nom- | But I don't think anyone has said... and it wasn't a restart tonight... nearly full 2 hours outage |
| 15:01.26 | cbreak | I haven't noticed restarts yesterday (eu realm) |
| 15:01.27 | Lopeppeppy | Or getting in necessary data pre-wrath |
| 15:01.53 | Nom- | Yeah, well if you're in EU they probably do them offpeak |
| 15:02.00 | Nom- | This is off-peak for US, but peak for Oceanic |
| 15:02.06 | Nom- | So we *really* notice downtime |
| 15:02.09 | ZorbaTHut | injecting the cowbell |
| 15:02.42 | Lopeppeppy | QQ |
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| 15:10.12 | Kraps | male gnomes creep me out |
| 15:10.58 | cbreak | seems palin is scape-goated |
| 15:11.59 | Nom- | Male Blood-Elves creep me out even more |
| 15:12.08 | Nom- | And I had the poor sense to roll one as my main... how I now regret that |
| 15:12.11 | Lopeppeppy | The needed someone to blame, cbreak |
| 15:12.28 | Kraps | cbreak: oh yeah, the gop is either cluless or psychotic |
| 15:12.29 | cbreak | they shoudl blame bush. :) |
| 15:13.00 | Nom- | er... |
| 15:13.12 | Nom- | The republican's only have their choice of candidate to blame |
| 15:13.23 | Nom- | That guy is older than my grandmother |
| 15:13.23 | Kraps | exactly |
| 15:13.41 | cbreak | my grandmother is older. Ha! |
| 15:13.43 | Kraps | age has nothing to do with it |
| 15:14.13 | Kraps | this guy is the classic RINO |
| 15:15.36 | Nom- | If I could have voted, I wouldn't have voted for McCain purely because he's too old :) |
| 15:15.44 | Nom- | Old guy = old ideas = more of the same crap |
| 15:15.49 | mikma | Spoiler alert from Quantum of Solace!! |
| 15:15.54 | mikma | it ends. |
| 15:16.08 | Nom- | zomg really? |
| 15:16.15 | Nom- | I thought it'd be like the never ending story |
| 15:16.17 | mikma | yes! |
| 15:16.57 | Nom- | So the "duration" next to the movie information wasn't a typo ? |
| 15:18.07 | Kraps | what is the duration? |
| 15:19.01 | Nom- | 106 mins |
| 15:19.39 | Kraps | thats not "too" long |
| 15:19.48 | Kraps | like lotr long |
| 15:20.14 | Nom- | If LOTR was too long, then you're too old |
| 15:20.24 | Kraps | lol no it wasnt |
| 15:20.32 | Nom- | or not old enough |
| 15:20.37 | Kraps | it was epic |
| 15:21.52 | Codex| | it wasnt long enough :P |
| 15:22.20 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:23.14 | Kraps | the wow movie should be CG |
| 15:23.39 | Kraps | and 4 hours long |
| 15:23.42 | selckin | i want a movie explaining most of the lore |
| 15:24.12 | selckin | discovery channel documentary style |
| 15:24.26 | Kraps | that would be cool |
| 15:25.26 | Kraps | but please not the voice of the guy in the wrath cinematic |
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| 15:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | Roger Moore, IMO. |
| 15:27.14 | Lopeppeppy | Best Bond voice ever. |
| 15:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | Connery can take a long walk off a short pier into shark-infested mine-laced waters. |
| 15:27.46 | Kraps | ... |
| 15:28.14 | Lopeppeppy | "So, tell us how you really feel, Peppy!" :) |
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| 15:28.59 | Nom- | lol |
| 15:29.08 | krka | i presume you mean waters with friggin sharks with friggin lasers |
| 15:29.11 | Kraps | but what if the mines kill the sharks first |
| 15:29.15 | Kraps | ? |
| 15:29.27 | Lopeppeppy | Sharks dodge mines with gracile skill. They don't smell edible. |
| 15:29.43 | Lopeppeppy | Connery is so full of shit the sharks can smell him a thousand yards away. Biomass = food. |
| 15:30.10 | Kraps | wands are op btw |
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| 15:30.58 | Nom- | wands are a priests' best friend |
| 15:31.06 | Kraps | i know |
| 15:32.05 | Cide | wands recently became pro |
| 15:32.16 | Cide | back in the old days, you had to manually cast each shot |
| 15:32.43 | Kraps | ugh |
| 15:32.44 | Codex| | if the servers were supposed to be down for 15 minutes |
| 15:32.46 | Codex| | where is mine :( |
| 15:34.26 | Nom- | mine was down for > 90 mins |
| 15:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | If y'all want a good Wrath launch, there's gonna be some down time in the 2 weeks prior. Take a breath, eat a sammich. |
| 15:36.14 | Nom- | I don't really care tbh :P |
| 15:36.25 | cbreak | Codex|: careful! |
| 15:36.30 | Nom- | Most of the issues will be sorted out by the time the stores over here are allowed to sell the damn game |
| 15:36.32 | Kraps | Dawnforged Defender; i'm only honored :( |
| 15:36.32 | cbreak | maybe there's a black hole near you |
| 15:36.34 | Nom- | It's pathetic |
| 15:36.36 | cbreak | which diletates time |
| 15:37.57 | Kraps | so flying training cost was lowered? |
| 15:38.07 | Nom- | it was ? |
| 15:38.15 | Kraps | so i heard |
| 15:38.34 | Kraps | dunno where to look |
| 15:39.18 | Nom- | which one? cold weather? |
| 15:39.34 | Kraps | no, regular |
| 15:41.30 | Nom- | Didn't see anything about it |
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| 15:42.55 | Nom- | If it has been reduced, it'll only be because they increased the price of cold weather, I suspect |
| 15:43.00 | lintunen | hey.. does anyone know about modifying dogtags source? |
| 15:43.01 | Codex| | im currently a t6 mage with tailoring and i have the sunfire robe. what do you think tailloring has to offer ENDGAME wotlk? i read some posts that having the BEST item in a set crafted was a "mistake" on their end |
| 15:43.16 | Codex| | so Im thinking tailoring will now suck for endgame, other than the cloak enchant |
| 15:44.10 | Nom- | same thing with Blacksmith and Leatherworking |
| 15:44.18 | Nom- | The only steady income at max level is from sockets |
| 15:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | lintunen, which "source" are you talking about, the question is a bit unclear. |
| 15:44.40 | Codex| | like, enchanters can enchant their rings, incriptionists get an extra socket, |
| 15:44.49 | Codex| | tailorings get a flying carpet,m and a tiny cloak enchant |
| 15:44.53 | Codex| | tailors* |
| 15:45.18 | cbreak | flying carpets are the best mounts ever. |
| 15:45.21 | Codex| | and my server is still down /cry |
| 15:45.36 | cbreak | I wonder how riding on them will look |
| 15:45.40 | cbreak | like surfing, or sitting? |
| 15:45.52 | Codex| | surfing would be great |
| 15:46.03 | Codex| | unfortunately itll be sitting no doubt |
| 15:46.28 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784521764&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 15:46.32 | Kraps | zomg |
| 15:49.26 | Fisker- | yeah that one was epic |
| 15:49.29 | krka | nice one |
| 15:49.38 | Lopeppeppy | Epic, no pun intended? |
| 15:51.07 | Shirik | rawr |
| 15:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 15:52.39 | Kraps | that reminds me of my shammys instacast ghost wolf :) |
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| 16:02.44 | Kraps | theres an unofficial "official" off-topic thread in the customer service forum? |
| 16:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | usually is. |
| 16:03.15 | Kraps | huh |
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| 16:04.30 | Codex| | will honor u get now be usable in wotlk? |
| 16:04.34 | kd3 | yes |
| 16:04.47 | cbreak | I thought it will be reset |
| 16:04.53 | kd3 | arena teams/points are getting wiped on tuesday, but not honor |
| 16:05.05 | Kraps | what happens to pvp epics? |
| 16:05.11 | kd3 | anything you have you keep |
| 16:05.23 | Kraps | and? |
| 16:05.33 | kd3 | that includes pvp epics |
| 16:06.07 | Kraps | what about the vendors? |
| 16:06.18 | Kraps | items go up to 80? |
| 16:06.39 | kd3 | the lv80 stuff should already be there alongside the lv70 stuff afaik |
| 16:06.42 | durcyn | there are new vendors in dalaran for level 80 items |
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| 16:07.10 | Codex| | anyone confirm if Autographed Picture of Foror & Tigule drops from the opposing factions NPCs in av and not just the players |
| 16:07.40 | kd3 | it's a zone drop. anything you can kill in the zone has a chance |
| 16:07.50 | Codex| | oh :) |
| 16:07.54 | durcyn | i've only ever seen it from players, but ymmv |
| 16:07.54 | Codex| | even wolves? |
| 16:08.00 | Codex| | ymmv? |
| 16:08.02 | kd3 | probably not wolves/harpies |
| 16:08.09 | kd3 | "your mileage may vary" |
| 16:08.56 | Codex| | im gonna farm the guards i guess |
| 16:09.37 | kd3 | actually... looks like I'm wrong. wowhead leads me to believe that it's only looted from players |
| 16:10.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=18228#dropped-by |
| 16:10.14 | Codex| | wowhead shows it drop from Frostwolf Guardian |
| 16:10.18 | Codex| | which are the horde gards |
| 16:10.23 | Codex| | guards* |
| 16:10.25 | kd3 | look at the quantities |
| 16:10.28 | kd3 | 1 out of thousands |
| 16:10.45 | Kraps | "How im supposed to kill PALADIN?" |
| 16:10.47 | kd3 | that's just a function of the script losing track of what was getting looted |
| 16:10.50 | Kraps | l2p? |
| 16:11.01 | durcyn | Kraps: counter-classes are fun |
| 16:11.15 | Kraps | bahah! http://blue.mmo-champion.com/11/6735863805-how-im-supposed-to-kill-paladin.html |
| 16:11.33 | Kraps | durcyn: whats that mean? |
| 16:11.58 | mikma | kraps: legendary thread |
| 16:12.13 | Kraps | yeah |
| 16:12.27 | durcyn | Kraps: it means some classes/specs are hard countered by others. though i can't for the life of me think of anything that a ret paladin hard counters after 3.0.3 |
| 16:12.33 | mikma | lol the second one owns too |
| 16:13.33 | WobWork | obvious troll is obvious =P |
| 16:13.45 | Kraps | moar epicness http://blue.mmo-champion.com/11/6735863805-how-im-supposed-to-kill-paladin.html |
| 16:13.49 | Kraps | ah |
| 16:14.03 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/11/6735843614-pls-nerf-fake-casting.html |
| 16:15.17 | Kraps | you are not allowed to call for nerf on CLASSES, i am calling for nerf on a bug what all cheaters are using... like i say before only people who doesnt want this fixed is caster so its obvious gm need to fix it |
| 16:15.55 | Kraps | wutwut? |
| 16:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 16:16.08 | selckin | should be age limit on forums |
| 16:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | Should be an IQ test. |
| 16:17.12 | selckin | they should give me moderation rights on trade channel |
| 16:17.33 | WobWork | selckin: pft, you'd never have any time to play then |
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| 16:18.41 | Kraps | GC pwns again http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/12454665630-arcane-mages.html |
| 16:19.38 | Seerah | ah, the joy of the new forums... |
| 16:20.06 | Lopeppeppy | I hate the new forums, with a passion reserved only for those who cut line at the lunch counter, and children who bite. |
| 16:20.44 | WobWork | a straight lie to the face! |
| 16:20.52 | selckin | dont use the forums |
| 16:20.57 | selckin | keeep sanity |
| 16:21.00 | kd3 | I almost want the mods to go EJ-style wrt their modding for a while |
| 16:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | I miss the forums though, I really liked trolling the paladin forums for USEFUL things. |
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| 16:22.56 | Seerah | they didn't want to moderate all of those forums and have people say they ignored them, but now they'll have more crap and trolling to go through in those 3 than they ever did |
| 16:23.04 | Seerah | morning Funkeh` :) |
| 16:23.48 | foxlit | "... OPie completely destroyed for this character" |
| 16:23.51 | foxlit | SCORE! |
| 16:24.04 | Seerah | ? |
| 16:24.33 | Seerah | I still have to go through and replace my pets (the items) with the spells |
| 16:24.45 | Seerah | (in OPie) |
| 16:25.12 | foxlit | Mhm. I wonder if you're better off just writing some code to create you a pet/mount ring automatically |
| 16:26.02 | Kraps | hey prot warriors, do you put vigilance on the healer or highest threat dpser? |
| 16:26.25 | foxlit | The quote is a file comment; but the actual problem is a feature that's completely configurable, so it's a bit of a /facepalm |
| 16:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | I hate not being able to post sometimes.... |
| 16:26.32 | durcyn | Kraps: rogues and warriors lately |
| 16:26.34 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454616488&pageNo=1&sid=1#14 |
| 16:26.42 | Lopeppeppy | Post number 16 just rocks my world. |
| 16:27.51 | Lyn | mikma, http://notalwaysright.com/would-you-like-french-resistance-fries-with-that/1327 lol |
| 16:28.25 | Kraps | fol? |
| 16:28.43 | kd3 | flash of light |
| 16:29.25 | Kraps | he means healbot pallys? |
| 16:29.49 | foxlit | Peppy: mm, Bacon. |
| 16:30.12 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454546292&sid=1 comment 2 |
| 16:30.34 | Kraps | with apologies |
| 16:31.17 | mikma | lyn: is it about weenies? |
| 16:31.40 | Lyn | dunno what frankfurter würste in us are |
| 16:31.46 | mikma | hehe |
| 16:32.00 | Lyn | but weenies are wiener würste afaik .o |
| 16:32.21 | Lyn | mikma, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_W%C3%BCrstchen this one |
| 16:33.37 | Codex| | im gonna go heat up a Pogo now |
| 16:34.34 | Kraps | <3 instacast ghost wolf |
| 16:36.01 | mikma | lyn: looks like a plain sausage |
| 16:36.07 | cbreak | R.I.P Instacast broom mount |
| 16:36.09 | Lyn | it is |
| 16:36.23 | mikma | lyn: sometimes, that's like omnomnom with hot mustard |
| 16:36.29 | Lyn | mikma, it is just filled with other dead animals afaik |
| 16:36.38 | mikma | ya |
| 16:36.44 | mikma | filled inside pigs guts |
| 16:36.50 | cbreak | they are "smoked" |
| 16:38.20 | Lyn | :D |
| 16:38.45 | Lyn | i like turkey sausages which are smoked :P |
| 16:39.04 | mikma | lyn: http://www.into-club.org/intopedia/freetime/sauna-rules-guide-and-vocabulary |
| 16:39.25 | mikma | see bottom: "My own sauna algorithm goes like this:" |
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| 16:40.23 | Lyn | lol |
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| 16:44.31 | mikma | Perkele, se ovi kiinni! = shut the door fast! ;) |
| 16:44.32 | mikma | hahaha |
| 16:44.37 | mikma | thats a nice translation |
| 16:45.35 | Lyn | mikma, http://notalwaysright.com/rudolph-the-boob-nosed-reinder/1312 lol |
| 16:46.16 | mikma | poof |
| 16:46.24 | mikma | i've actually read that one previously |
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| 16:47.03 | Lyn | :D |
| 16:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | Question at large: I need to learn Coldfusion. Anyone have links to awesome books or tutorials? |
| 16:48.37 | mikma | how about i paste links to awesome boobs instead :I |
| 16:48.47 | Lyn | mikma, sure! |
| 16:48.49 | Codex| | learncf.com |
| 16:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, you're not helping me keep my job, here. |
| 16:48.56 | Lopeppeppy | Codex|, thanks! |
| 16:49.13 | Codex| | if that 404s, dont hurt me :P |
| 16:49.19 | Lyn | mikma, other question: what is better for my notebook: vista or xp? :O |
| 16:49.25 | kd3 | xp |
| 16:49.39 | Lyn | mh.. okay, now it's 2 vs 0, why xp? :P |
| 16:49.44 | Seerah | XP uses less resources which is win for a laptop |
| 16:49.48 | kd3 | ^ that ^ |
| 16:49.49 | Lyn | good |
| 16:50.05 | Lyn | but i read that vista does more out of the battery (when the extra bling bling stuff is not activated) |
| 16:50.07 | Codex| | Lopeppeppy: thats funny, i made up that link on the spot |
| 16:50.14 | Codex| | and its ACTUALLY a colf fusion tutorial site |
| 16:50.15 | Codex| | cool |
| 16:50.17 | Lyn | you have to know, i am a newb on this stuff |
| 16:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* It works. |
| 16:50.19 | Lyn | xD |
| 16:50.56 | mikma | lyn: depends how good the laptop is |
| 16:51.08 | Lyn | wait, i'll give you a link :p |
| 16:51.10 | mikma | some people say vista is good but i myself am not confirmed about that one |
| 16:51.20 | Codex| | do u want dx10? :P |
| 16:51.47 | Lyn | Codex|, not on my laptop |
| 16:51.54 | mikma | if possible, use linux :D |
| 16:52.04 | Lyn | haha |
| 16:52.12 | Lyn | i have the .iso of ubuntu 8.10 here |
| 16:52.13 | Lyn | but |
| 16:52.26 | Lyn | i am such a noob with linux so ... XD |
| 16:52.38 | mikma | uh ubuntu! i have it installed in my 1gb usb-stick |
| 16:52.50 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, how can you play zerg |
| 16:53.01 | kd3 | so? this isn't 2000. ubuntu's probably less of a pain to set up on any random hardware than xp is these days |
| 16:53.18 | Lyn | hehe |
| 16:53.19 | Shirik | I'm replaying the single player campaign right now and at the invasion of aiur, and I feel so bad >< |
| 16:53.47 | Lyn | kd3 i have currently vista and ubuntu installed, both working (okay, wlan with ubuntu sucks ... but this is a wpa2 fault) |
| 16:53.52 | durcyn | kd3: what was that slashdot article i saw earlier in the week? something about linux now having better hardware support than windows |
| 16:54.31 | kd3 | linux has more device driver support than any other os. that's my rather flaky memory of that article on /. |
| 16:54.31 | Lyn | yeah |
| 16:55.07 | Lyn | mh... |
| 16:55.46 | Codex| | so i should save all my honor for lvl 80? |
| 16:55.54 | mikma | and! learning the linux while at it is the greatest fun *cough* |
| 16:56.04 | Lyn | hehe |
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| 16:56.44 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:56.46 | Lyn | i am unsure :x |
| 16:56.58 | Lopeppeppy | Station indeed. |
| 16:57.18 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, do you have any recommendations for Coldfusion training books, before I hit B&N after lunch? |
| 16:57.49 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Morning. Sorry. ColdFusion and I never really got along. |
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| 16:58.12 | Lyn | kd3, does ubuntu (or in general: linux) does have drivers for the damn hdmi sound stuff? xD |
| 16:58.52 | kd3 | I dunno. highest end audio stuff I deal with is 7.1 |
| 16:59.10 | Lyn | hm.. |
| 17:00.50 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454535939&sid=1&pageNo=1 <-awesome thread |
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| 17:01.59 | zenzelezz | Fisker-: lol |
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| 17:04.22 | Lyn | mikma, http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop_studio_15?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs this one (with 3gb ram and the ati card, my version isn't listed there) |
| 17:04.29 | matt1s | Anyone know if it's possible to get the old WoW map back even when the Cartographer 3 is loaded? I'm going for the exploration achievements |
| 17:04.43 | kd3 | disable foglight? |
| 17:04.43 | matt1s | Or have fog of war enabled in cartographer |
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| 17:05.52 | mikma | lyn: which one of those? |
| 17:06.05 | mikma | lyn: not listed, yeah, but the processor etc |
| 17:06.30 | mikma | lyn: because i myself wouldn't smack vista in pc less than 2.2GHz pc :O |
| 17:06.45 | Lyn | cpu isnt listed there, its core 2 duo t5750 |
| 17:06.55 | Lyn | 2.0ghz |
| 17:07.16 | mikma | i've seen how vista handles with 1.8GHz laptop .. jebus christ |
| 17:07.29 | Lyn | i mean okay, it runs and not soooo slow |
| 17:07.30 | Lyn | but |
| 17:07.52 | Lyn | i dont like the vista stuff on my laptop xD but i am unsure what i should use, i have xp cd here and a ubuntu image :x |
| 17:08.00 | Lyn | i have drivers for both |
| 17:08.16 | mikma | what are you planning to do with the laptop? |
| 17:08.55 | Lyn | programming like java, shell programming (okay, point for ubuntu), and .. sometimes play some emulators like neo geo :P |
| 17:09.05 | mikma | well, linux then |
| 17:09.15 | mikma | linux also has good stuff like ScummVM and OpenTTD <3 |
| 17:09.15 | Lunessa | mikma: If you turn off Areo vista's performance is pretty amazing, even on sub 2ghx machines. |
| 17:09.21 | Lyn | hm.. and whats about wow? XD |
| 17:09.32 | Lyn | Lunessa, i have, but then it looks like fuc- |
| 17:09.35 | mikma | wow is another deal... requires wine + stuff :O |
| 17:09.49 | mikma | lunessa: oh, i'll keep that in mind |
| 17:10.04 | Lopeppeppy | Aero is the suck. I turned that off first thing, haven't had much issue since. |
| 17:10.05 | Lyn | do i need a installed version of windows for wine stuff? i bet yes? |
| 17:10.14 | kd3 | no |
| 17:10.20 | Lyn | no? |
| 17:10.27 | cbreak | wine is not a virtual machine |
| 17:10.33 | kd3 | no part of windows has ever touched the computer I'm typing to you on |
| 17:10.35 | cbreak | it's an (wine is not an emulator :) |
| 17:10.38 | mikma | (i have no idea about that stuff, so others can help with that= |
| 17:10.40 | cbreak | it's an api wrapper |
| 17:10.41 | mikma | yeah :D |
| 17:10.45 | Syzgyn | http://www.repo-opera.com/ <-- looks awesome. |
| 17:10.46 | Lunessa | Lyn: You can make it look a lot like XP. *snicker* |
| 17:10.48 | mikma | Wine Is Not Emulator, W.I.N.E :D |
| 17:10.49 | kd3 | takes windows api calls and converts them to linux api calls |
| 17:10.58 | Lyn | Lunessa, i hate the luna stuff ;) |
| 17:11.09 | Lyn | mh... |
| 17:11.14 | Odlaw | might as well be an emulator. |
| 17:11.22 | mikma | but, is not. |
| 17:11.23 | Lyn | then i have to find a small how to for wine+wow X) |
| 17:11.32 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine |
| 17:11.33 | cbreak | virtual pc is an emulator |
| 17:11.36 | Odlaw | guess it depends on your definition of emulator |
| 17:11.43 | mikma | some people say they get 2x fps with wine than with windows (WoW) |
| 17:11.45 | kd3 | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14154 |
| 17:11.49 | cbreak | bochs is an emulator |
| 17:11.54 | Odlaw | if i can run windows games on linux.. my definition = emulator |
| 17:12.03 | Codex| | can u buy anything wioth 777 arena points? |
| 17:12.05 | cbreak | but it doesn't emulate anything |
| 17:12.14 | Odlaw | i said 'my' |
| 17:12.27 | Lunessa | Wine is like the old Windows NT HAL - but for API calls. |
| 17:12.42 | Seerah | think of it as a translater |
| 17:12.43 | Lyn | kd3, ah, thanks for that |
| 17:13.02 | mikma | so just because you can run classic games in linux, ScummVM is emulator? :D |
| 17:13.19 | cbreak | scummVM is a virtual machine |
| 17:13.25 | Odlaw | a. to imitate (a particular computer system) by using a software system, often including a microprogram or another computer that enables it to do the same work, run the same programs, etc., as the first. |
| 17:13.31 | Odlaw | oh look.. |
| 17:14.07 | cbreak | Odlaw: Wine only works on the hardware windows works on. it does nothing with the computer system |
| 17:14.32 | Lyn | now only the hdmi stuff must work on ubuntu - than i'm happy |
| 17:14.40 | kd3 | http://www.winehq.org/site/myths |
| 17:15.14 | Odlaw | well.. whatever.. u stick to ur definitions, i like sticking to mine. |
| 17:15.16 | Lyn | kd3, but "WoW WotLK crashes when entering the world on ati graphic cards" is ... making me nervous cause my laptop has an ati card |
| 17:15.37 | kd3 | can't help you there, I use nvidia |
| 17:15.43 | Lyn | :x |
| 17:15.47 | Lyn | okay |
| 17:15.49 | kd3 | just depends on the driver support |
| 17:15.51 | cbreak | wouldn't it crash with 3.0.3 already then? |
| 17:16.24 | cbreak | Odlaw: your definition is wrong :) |
| 17:16.35 | Odlaw | cbreak: I DONT CARE |
| 17:16.39 | Seerah | I'm sorry, Syzgyn, but as a serious/professional musician/educator, I couldn't make it through one clip of that :P |
| 17:16.49 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 17:16.53 | Odlaw | hence the word MY |
| 17:17.16 | cbreak | Let's hope no one uses your definition :) |
| 17:17.22 | Syzgyn | Seerah: I dunno, it's a new concept atleast. |
| 17:17.36 | Odlaw | sadly cbreak, i'd say quite a few people use it. |
| 17:17.43 | Odlaw | if people often confuse wine as an emulator |
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| 17:18.12 | Seerah | like I said, Odlaw, think of it like a translator. |
| 17:18.20 | cbreak | those people would also shoot their monitor to destroy their secret data on a ninja invasion |
| 17:18.23 | Odlaw | translator = emulator to me :) |
| 17:18.25 | cbreak | they are not relevant |
| 17:18.42 | Seerah | say that the next time you go to Japan and need a translator for you :P |
| 17:18.54 | mikma | haha |
| 17:18.58 | Seerah | a translator doesn't make you think or feel like you're back home |
| 17:19.05 | Lyn | mh.. how do i findo ut the name of my hdmi stuff xD |
| 17:19.05 | mikma | japanese emulator |
| 17:19.08 | Seerah | they just do the communicating for you |
| 17:19.10 | mikma | funny stuff |
| 17:19.13 | cbreak | emulator != virtual machine != api wrapper |
| 17:19.15 | Lunessa | Odlaw: So, all those clever people working at the UN during speeches are emulators? *chuckle* |
| 17:19.28 | Odlaw | they emulate the language.. so yes. |
| 17:19.46 | Seerah | no, they translate |
| 17:20.08 | Odlaw | ok i was wrong |
| 17:20.13 | Odlaw | you were right |
| 17:20.27 | mikma | and? |
| 17:20.33 | mikma | (insert nasty comment) |
| 17:20.33 | Odlaw | what more do you want? |
| 17:20.42 | Odlaw | I'll say anything to get u to stfu. |
| 17:20.45 | mikma | your firstborn child |
| 17:20.47 | Odlaw | :) |
| 17:20.51 | Seerah | let's put it this way.... a foreign movie with english voice overs would be like an emulator (as long as it's not painfully obvious that the people aren't speaking what you're hearing), but one with english subtitles is a translator |
| 17:21.25 | Odlaw | so wine translates a windows games to linux. |
| 17:21.26 | Odlaw | got it. |
| 17:21.32 | Odlaw | err windows app to linux |
| 17:21.49 | Lyn | kd3, what version is the "best" for installing wow with wine? cd, installer or copy from win? |
| 17:21.59 | Seerah | yes. it takes the language that the windows app speaks, and translates it into language that Linux understands :) |
| 17:22.18 | Odlaw | yes.. translates |
| 17:22.21 | Odlaw | Wine is a translator |
| 17:22.50 | Odlaw | it emulates the windows api calls by translating them! got it :) |
| 17:23.02 | mikma | look! he did it again |
| 17:23.02 | Seerah | I knew you weren't getting it |
| 17:23.02 | Odlaw | lawl.. you guys are ez to troll |
| 17:23.05 | kd3 | lyn; they both work. if you've got an install, just copy it over |
| 17:23.13 | kd3 | quicker, that way |
| 17:23.19 | Lyn | okay :) |
| 17:23.19 | kd3 | wow's good at being self-contained |
| 17:23.23 | Seerah | be hard-headed and troll me again and you'll get a little surprise ;) |
| 17:23.35 | Odlaw | lawl, i've known bout linux and wine for many a year.. but i can't help but laugh now. |
| 17:23.40 | mikma | oh boy |
| 17:23.47 | Odlaw | orly? |
| 17:23.50 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Odlaw!n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-21-168.mem.bellsouth.net] by Seerah (troll this :P) |
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| 17:23.52 | mikma | we all get really excited when seerah gets that gear on! |
| 17:23.53 | Odlaw | haha |
| 17:23.56 | Lyn | now the only thing is REALLY the hdmi stuff :x ... gonna test it on plasma if it works - brb |
| 17:23.57 | mikma | autojoin! |
| 17:24.06 | Odlaw | power abuse! :) |
| 17:24.08 | mikma | that deserves a knockout :P |
| 17:24.34 | Seerah | no, not power abuse, just quit being an asshat :) |
| 17:24.46 | Odlaw | ah :( no fun. |
| 17:26.11 | Lunessa | Wait... Seerah has the boots on? *delicious shiver* |
| 17:26.16 | Syzgyn | Rawr! |
| 17:27.09 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, and http://xkcd.com/501/ |
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| 17:27.44 | Seerah | lol |
| 17:28.54 | Lunessa | So, if Satan (giant ugly red, non-triumphant source of all EVIL) were to come offer me something in exchange for my soul, he'd have to get in line. I think some other people have prior cliam. |
| 17:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | I can't find mine since I moved last. *ponders* |
| 17:29.53 | zenzelezz | you lost your soul while moving? |
| 17:30.12 | Lunessa | She's one up on me. I think I lent mine out. |
| 17:30.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. |
| 17:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | I got it back from the lease, but then... I dunno where I packed it. |
| 17:30.37 | Lopeppeppy | I hope I didn't donate it to the Salvation Army. |
| 17:30.39 | mikma | seerah: http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/274963/Seerah_Boots_of_Power.html |
| 17:31.07 | Seerah | lol |
| 17:32.02 | cbreak | a soul is immaterial. You could sell it as many times as you want |
| 17:32.06 | cbreak | just make copies |
| 17:32.27 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not interested in breeding, thx |
| 17:32.42 | kd3 | o_O |
| 17:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | What? |
| 17:33.09 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/07/funny-pictures-abort-abort-2/ |
| 17:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:33.27 | Seerah | <3 Lunessa |
| 17:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:33.54 | Seerah | ~lart Fisker- |
| 17:33.54 | purl | teaches Fisker- the basics, including how to RTM |
| 17:34.22 | Fisker- | sorry |
| 17:34.24 | Fisker- | but S = Shirik |
| 17:35.15 | Lunessa | Hey, don't be hating on Seerah for having discriminating taste in innertoobes manz. |
| 17:35.59 | Seerah | tubing sounds fun right now... |
| 17:36.45 | Lunessa | Especially with lots of beer and whiskey as you float... |
| 17:36.59 | mikma | seerah: http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/274965/Odlaw_Asshat_of_the_Monkey.html |
| 17:37.21 | Seerah | alright, that's enough, mikma :P |
| 17:37.39 | mikma | neveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer! |
| 17:38.08 | Odlaw | lawl |
| 17:38.20 | Odlaw | should say Translates by Emulating |
| 17:38.37 | Odlaw | fix prz |
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| 17:41.20 | opant | http://failblog.org/2008/11/04/pdt-fail/ |
| 17:43.16 | Lunessa | oh man, the comments are painful. |
| 17:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw that actual post |
| 17:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It made me lolol |
| 17:44.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, the "IDK BFF" bit in the comments |
| 17:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That was worth a chuckle |
| 17:47.35 | Lyn | meeh |
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| 17:47.57 | Lyn | sometimes my linux just hangs somehow .. and hdmi doesnt work well :( |
| 17:48.07 | cbreak | it should be enforced that the use of time in an international context is restricted to UTC. |
| 17:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | hdmi worked for you in the first place? |
| 17:48.37 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.42 | Lyn | ScytheBlade1, mh? |
| 17:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hdmi sucks :) |
| 17:49.02 | Lyn | no.. |
| 17:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: win |
| 17:49.08 | Lyn | not if you want to watch hd stuff on a big plasma :P |
| 17:49.17 | cbreak | HDMI is DRM infected. |
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| 17:49.31 | Lyn | :p |
| 17:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | A comic a friend told me about: http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=203 |
| 17:50.05 | mikma | someone who knows, what the hell is "idk bff"? :P |
| 17:50.06 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Didn't you start a guild called <IDK MY BFF JILL> ? |
| 17:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know, my best friend forever |
| 17:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 17:50.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd have to watch the commercial |
| 17:50.31 | cladhaire | Lunessa: no, but i should |
| 17:50.45 | Lunessa | clad, I'd totally join. |
| 17:50.46 | mikma | scytheblade1: paris hilton? |
| 17:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: youtube for you |
| 17:51.26 | mikma | but paris hilton has a show called 'my bff'? :I |
| 17:51.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know? |
| 17:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't watch -any- TV |
| 17:52.32 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrp81EUyWi0 |
| 17:52.57 | cbreak | http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots.html one of the greatest comics on the web. |
| 17:55.05 | ccox|sleep | crap - item creator hit an error while creating my Large Area Retribution Truncheon |
| 17:56.23 | ccox | Ah, but it was created - http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/274972/Large_Area_Retribution_Truncheon.html |
| 18:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=182 |
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| 18:00.53 | Lyn | meh ... |
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| 18:10.52 | Shirik | wow |
| 18:10.59 | Shirik | were we seriously having a discussion about whether or not Wine was an emulator? |
| 18:11.10 | ArrowmasterClass | lol |
| 18:11.12 | Lopeppeppy | No, we weren't **seriously** having it. It was having us on. |
| 18:11.34 | Shirik | on what? |
| 18:12.05 | Shirik | Another interview at 3 today, yey |
| 18:12.09 | Lunessa | I'd rather we discussed Seerah in boots some more. |
| 18:13.15 | Lunessa | go go Shirik |
| 18:13.15 | mikma | shirik: no, we decided you are both |
| 18:13.15 | ArrowmasterClass | what did i miss? |
| 18:13.15 | Shirik | Seerah|away in boots? |
| 18:13.15 | Shirik | okay |
| 18:14.19 | matt1s | Is it possible to get up the old map even with cartographer loaded? |
| 18:14.25 | matt1s | It's not showing fog correctly |
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| 18:15.06 | kd3 | disable foglight |
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| 18:15.54 | matt1s | No I want to see it, but I didn't get the achievement for exploring and there's no black areas on the map |
| 18:16.25 | foxlit | Did you disable foglight? |
| 18:16.32 | mikma | umm |
| 18:16.41 | mikma | you asked this 1h ago |
| 18:16.50 | mikma | and the reply was same |
| 18:17.03 | matt1s | yeah, and I used foglight in cartographer |
| 18:17.11 | matt1s | it was fine until now |
| 18:17.18 | cbreak | matt1s: the achievement should show which area is missing |
| 18:17.29 | matt1s | ah great, thanks, I'll check that out |
| 18:17.30 | mikma | install mapster and color the undiscovered areas red |
| 18:18.20 | Shirik | Error: EXC_BAD_ACCESS KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE 0x00000006 |
| 18:18.22 | Shirik | Is that a segfault in mac lingo? |
| 18:18.41 | cbreak | it's a memory access error |
| 18:18.56 | sioraiocht | Shirik: usually mac lingo is unix lingo =p |
| 18:19.15 | Shirik | That's why I'm confused, sioraiocht, that doesn't look unixy to me :P |
| 18:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, do you program with Coldfusion at all? |
| 18:19.30 | Shirik | negative |
| 18:19.39 | cbreak | http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2004/tn2123.html |
| 18:19.51 | cbreak | EXC_BAD_ACCESS/KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE — This is caused by the thread trying to write to read-only memory. This is always caused by a data access. |
| 18:20.07 | foxlit | google be praised? |
| 18:20.20 | ccox|work | aka: sigsegv |
| 18:20.35 | cbreak | I had that in my bookmarks :) |
| 18:20.41 | cbreak | that question came up a few days ago in this chan |
| 18:20.46 | Shirik | why can't they juts call it a segfault like the rest of the world |
| 18:20.51 | Shirik | oh, probably same reason, cbreak :) |
| 18:20.54 | ccox|work | because it's more specific |
| 18:21.07 | Shirik | Yeah, but we call things segfaults that aren't actually segfaults too |
| 18:21.09 | cbreak | SIGBUS |
| 18:21.13 | ccox|work | they have different kernel signatures for read, write, types of memory protection, etc. |
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| 18:21.38 | cbreak | hmm... no, ignore that :) |
| 18:21.39 | Shirik | When you execute a reserved instruction that comes back as a segfault too, because any GPF is for some reason translated into a segfault |
| 18:21.54 | Shirik | despite the fact that that may not be the actual cause |
| 18:22.21 | Shirik | At least windows is slightly more accurate by calling them both "access violations" |
| 18:22.33 | Shirik | despite the fact that they're extremely different errors |
| 18:22.40 | Shirik | I blame Intel though |
| 18:23.05 | foxlit | You don't make sense :) |
| 18:23.13 | foxlit | slightly more accurate... despite the fact that... :) |
| 18:23.40 | Shirik | Well they're both caused by being a "violation of rights" |
| 18:23.55 | Shirik | though one is a memory access error and one is an operation erorr |
| 18:24.11 | Lyn | anyone have experience with dell stuff? the restoration stuff? |
| 18:25.04 | ccox|work | Shirik - and if that doesn't look Unixy, you need to work with more Mach based kernels |
| 18:25.13 | Shirik | I like the kernels I work with |
| 18:25.17 | Shirik | no reason to switch |
| 18:25.49 | Shirik | See, here's the problem with Intel and why everything is a segfault |
| 18:25.51 | Shirik | Example: http://www.itis.mn.it/linux/quarta/x86/lldt.htm |
| 18:25.54 | ccox|work | another one for Shirik: http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/274979/Staff_of_Careful_Learning_Under_Elves.html |
| 18:25.58 | Shirik | #GP(0) if the current privilege level is not 0; |
| 18:25.59 | Lunessa | Shirik: That's essentially a seg fault |
| 18:26.06 | Shirik | #GP(0) for an illegal memory operand effective address in the CS, DS, ES, FS, or GS segments; |
| 18:26.25 | foxlit | Oh how I wish people making those items would get their capitalization right. |
| 18:26.32 | foxlit | It's an eyesore otherwise :/ |
| 18:26.34 | Shirik | Despite the fact that I think those are radically different errors, they decide that they throw the same exception |
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| 18:26.41 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 18:26.42 | purl | ~pong |
| 18:27.10 | ccox|work | fox - you can try, but the web site messes things up |
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| 18:33.30 | Lunessa | Shirik: Programmers are lazy. They write bad error messages and then reuse them. I know, I do the same thing. |
| 18:34.26 | cbreak | I should consider giving error messages... |
| 18:37.26 | foxlit | Hrm. |
| 18:38.34 | foxlit | ns = ns ~= 3 and (ns == 0 and (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) or ns) or nil; |
| 18:38.41 | foxlit | So going to go back and haunt me one of those days :/ |
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| 18:42.46 | cbreak | should that be lua? |
| 18:43.09 | foxlit | that it is. |
| 18:43.23 | cbreak | took my brain over 5 secs to parse :/ |
| 18:47.47 | foxlit | I wonder if there's a better way to express that bit of bit logic. |
| 18:48.53 | Dashkal | *blinks* need to brush up on my operator precedence... I can't read that |
| 18:49.01 | cbreak | tons of if then elses :) |
| 18:49.43 | cbreak | needs at least two lines of comments in that style :) |
| 18:51.28 | cbreak | lua> ns = 3 ns = ns ~= 3 and (ns == 0 and (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) or ns) or nil; print(ns) |
| 18:51.28 | lua_bot | cbreak: nil |
| 18:51.38 | cbreak | lua> ns = 2 ns = ns ~= 3 and (ns == 0 and (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) or ns) or nil; print(ns) |
| 18:51.38 | lua_bot | cbreak: 2 |
| 18:51.46 | cbreak | lua> ns = 1 ns = ns ~= 3 and (ns == 0 and (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) or ns) or nil; print(ns) |
| 18:51.46 | lua_bot | cbreak: 1 |
| 18:51.54 | cbreak | lua> ns = 0 ns = ns ~= 3 and (ns == 0 and (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) or ns) or nil; print(ns) |
| 18:51.55 | lua_bot | cbreak: 1 |
| 18:52.06 | cbreak | lua> ns = -1 ns = ns ~= 3 and (ns == 0 and (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) or ns) or nil; print(ns) |
| 18:52.07 | lua_bot | cbreak: -1 |
| 18:52.10 | foxlit | Dashkal: there isn't any, in that code. |
| 18:52.24 | foxlit | Read left to right, subexpressions are parenthesized. |
| 18:52.39 | cbreak | lua> ns = 1.5 ns = ns ~= 3 and (ns == 0 and (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) or ns) or nil; print(ns) |
| 18:52.39 | lua_bot | cbreak: 1.5 |
| 18:52.53 | cbreak | so, it basically returns ns unless it's 3? |
| 18:53.08 | Shirik | no |
| 18:53.09 | Shirik | not if it's 0 |
| 18:53.58 | Dashkal | foxlit: "bit == 1 and 2 or 1" how does == relate to and relates to or, etc (don't answer, I can go rtfm, that's just what lost me) |
| 18:54.02 | Shirik | Is bit always 0 and 1, foxlit? |
| 18:54.16 | foxlit | Shirik: 1 and 2, but same basic idea. |
| 18:54.23 | Shirik | not same basic idea :P |
| 18:54.29 | Shirik | I was doing some bitwise magic |
| 18:54.32 | Shirik | doesn't work if it's 1 or 2 :( |
| 18:54.55 | foxlit | The story is that I have a 2-bit flag that defaults to both bits on. |
| 18:55.23 | foxlit | If it's set to the default, I have no interest in storing it, hence the other ~= 3 and or nil |
| 18:55.28 | foxlit | s/other/outer/ |
| 18:55.48 | cbreak | I would make a table with all mappings |
| 18:55.51 | Shirik | is bit just the lower bit of ns? |
| 18:55.52 | cbreak | and just look it up... |
| 18:55.55 | Shirik | or some other bit? |
| 18:56.02 | foxlit | No, that's the one being toggled just now |
| 18:56.06 | foxlit | I also want at least one bit to be set at any one time |
| 18:56.21 | foxlit | So if toggling bit caused the value to be 0, turn on the other bit. |
| 18:58.35 | cbreak | something like local mapping = { 0=1, 1=1, 2=2} return mapping[ns]; Might not work the way you want it with some things though. like negative numbers or others |
| 18:59.00 | foxlit | It's a two-bit flag, can only be {0,1,2,3} |
| 18:59.17 | cbreak | then it should work with this table |
| 18:59.24 | cbreak | (since 3 is implicitly nil) |
| 18:59.53 | foxlit | 0 isn't one, however. |
| 19:00.32 | cbreak | lua> ns = 0; local mapping = { 0=1, 1=1, 2=2} print(mapping[ns]) |
| 19:00.32 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 19:01.05 | Fisker- | i just wanna rage |
| 19:01.05 | cbreak | lua> ns = 0; local mapping = { 0=1; 1=1; 2=2}; print(mapping[ns]) |
| 19:01.05 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 19:01.24 | cbreak | hmm... I think I remember the lua syntax incorrectly :( |
| 19:01.24 | foxlit | [] around table keys that aren't actually single-word strings |
| 19:01.31 | foxlit | But anyway, no point |
| 19:01.36 | foxlit | cbreak: 1 |
| 19:01.42 | cbreak | yes :) |
| 19:01.58 | foxlit | And the original boolean stuff does something different for that case. |
| 19:02.07 | cbreak | it returned 1 too |
| 19:02.35 | cbreak | (I tested it a few lines above :) |
| 19:02.37 | Lonny` | Shirink, I sent a PM to Cairenn few hours ago, but she probably afk, is it possible to move one of my addons to another category ? |
| 19:02.53 | foxlit | The problem is really that you should've read the code rather than testing it :) |
| 19:03.03 | cbreak | I did both |
| 19:03.10 | cbreak | even tried understanding it... |
| 19:03.21 | foxlit | (bit == 1 and 2 or 1) |
| 19:03.31 | foxlit | will of course be 1 if bit is 0, but there's no guarantee for that. |
| 19:03.38 | cbreak | hmm... right :/ |
| 19:03.38 | foxlit | s/0/nil/ |
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| 19:06.51 | Lonny` | Shirik* a bit too late :D |
| 19:06.57 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:07.04 | Lonny` | I sent a PM to Cairenn few hours ago, but she probably afk, is it possible to move one of my addons to another category ? |
| 19:07.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:07.18 | Shirik | can you give me a link? |
| 19:07.22 | Lonny` | yup |
| 19:07.29 | Lonny` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11409-LonnyCompanions.html |
| 19:07.40 | Shirik | to where? |
| 19:07.46 | Lonny` | hmm 'Miscellaneous' |
| 19:07.56 | foxlit | "!-- ValueClick Media 468x60 and 728x90 Banner CODE for mmointerface.com FIXED INT-->" |
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| 19:08.43 | foxlit | wonder where that opening < went |
| 19:08.47 | Shirik | done |
| 19:08.52 | Lonny` | Thanks! :) |
| 19:09.01 | Shirik | foxlit: I eated it |
| 19:10.17 | Lunessa | foxlit: Going to have a new release of OPie any time soon? |
| 19:12.13 | foxlit | Lunessa: yeah, it's about time. |
| 19:12.13 | cbreak | you mean it's not perfect yet? :) |
| 19:12.20 | foxlit | Oh, far from. |
| 19:12.27 | Lunessa | It's pretty sweet though. |
| 19:12.35 | foxlit | I'm trying to think of whether there's anything I've missed that must make this update. |
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| 19:13.42 | ArrowmasterClass | Lunessa: haha i just saw your reply to the forum post i said 'dont question me on this' in |
| 19:13.52 | cbreak | do you know where to buy the new arena point gear blizzard added for the big reset? |
| 19:14.14 | foxlit | There isn't any new arena gear, I think. |
| 19:14.17 | foxlit | It's only honor. |
| 19:14.21 | Lunessa | I thought you might like that ArrowmasterClass |
| 19:15.07 | ArrowmasterClass | i would laugh so hard if it would have been a green that said that though, people might actually start listening to me |
| 19:16.10 | Lunessa | I figured you were in the near-perfect position to make that sort of pronouncement. I mean, seriously. |
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| 19:16.34 | ArrowmasterClass | i need to reply to another tread asking about rock but im not about to login from a school computer |
| 19:16.45 | ArrowmasterClass | even if it is a locked down vista computer |
| 19:16.47 | foxlit | Lunessa: http://www.go-hero.net/opie/release/wrath4 |
| 19:16.55 | cbreak | ssh to home an option? |
| 19:17.04 | ArrowmasterClass | how do you think im on irc? |
| 19:17.47 | Lunessa | ArrowmasterClass: linkee? |
| 19:17.55 | ArrowmasterClass | ill just post when i get home |
| 19:18.02 | ArrowmasterClass | not important |
| 19:18.03 | Lunessa | foxlit: Thanks. I'll install it when I get home. |
| 19:18.11 | Lunessa | If I see it before then, I'll post. |
| 19:18.54 | ArrowmasterClass | it was http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2215642561&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 19:19.51 | Lunessa | Oh. I figured that was a dead horse. |
| 19:20.26 | ArrowmasterClass | kinda is |
| 19:21.02 | Lunessa | You want me to just quote you and say - "DO THIS VILE MISCREANTS!" ? |
| 19:21.06 | ArrowmasterClass | since nobody is maintaining rock, i just fix minor bugs if i find them nomatter what it is |
| 19:21.23 | ArrowmasterClass | lol |
| 19:22.32 | NeoTron | this is kind of depressing... Guild killed KJ twice, got legendary bow. My friend has no t6 bracer/boots/belt... ahs the KJ headpiece and M'uru trinket.. ah well. gear reset, who cares.. |
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| 19:22.53 | Lunessa | I answered "No one, really. Arrowmaster patches things here and there, but it's not being actively maintained. " |
| 19:23.14 | Lunessa | ... HAWT |
| 19:23.27 | Seerah | it's not spaghetti |
| 19:23.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes! I starvin', Seerah! |
| 19:23.39 | Seerah | oh, all right.... |
| 19:23.43 | Seerah | I'll share :) |
| 19:24.22 | NightHawkTheSane | mm.. sammich.. |
| 19:24.27 | Seerah | hope you like Honey Ham and CoJack |
| 19:24.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ew.. sammich.. |
| 19:24.48 | Seerah | what's wrong with it?!? |
| 19:24.54 | Lopeppeppy | It's all good foood. I want some Cracker Jacks now though. |
| 19:25.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't like ham :) |
| 19:25.06 | Seerah | I loooove ham |
| 19:25.10 | Lunessa | I wants cheesecake. Someone make me one? |
| 19:25.21 | Seerah | but every now and then I get some good juicy turkey instead (put provolone with that) |
| 19:25.26 | Seerah | cheesecake! |
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| 19:25.37 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, KarlKFI. |
| 19:26.32 | Lunessa | Seerah: If there's no cheesecake in heaven, I don't want to go. |
| 19:26.54 | Seerah | how could it even be *called* heaven if there were no cheesecake? |
| 19:27.25 | KarlKFI | what if they have claim jumper motherlode cake instead? |
| 19:27.36 | Lunessa | Given a wide array of dessert choices, I usually go with the cheesecake. I've had cheesecake in 6 countries and 20 states. I LOVE cheesecake. |
| 19:28.00 | KarlKFI | i could live without cheesecake, provided there were other cakes |
| 19:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | cheesecake -is- good, but i prefer a nice tiramisu |
| 19:28.58 | KarlKFI | i love me some massively chocolatey cake with fudgy frosting and some nice real vanilla ice cream ont he side |
| 19:29.01 | Seerah | Lunessa: Cheesecake Factory |
| 19:29.03 | Seerah | mmmmmm |
| 19:29.04 | Lunessa | Heathens. Cheesecake is proof that the Mother Deity Loves Us All. |
| 19:29.10 | Movix | hi, is there something known that disables the ESC key functionality after calling sendWho() ? |
| 19:29.32 | Lunessa | You mean, the " |
| 19:29.39 | Lunessa | "close window" function? |
| 19:30.32 | Movix | no, sometimes after a sendwho call i have not reaction on pressing ESc at all, nor frames are closed, nor the system menu is shown |
| 19:31.20 | Seerah | KarlKFI: from the Cheesecake Factory menu: GODIVA® CHOCOLATE CHEESECAKE  |
| 19:31.20 | Seerah | Layers of Flourless Godiva Chocolate Cake, Godiva Chocolate Cheesecake and Chocolate Mousse |
| 19:31.29 | Seerah | there is also a Tiramisu Cheesecake |
| 19:31.48 | Lunessa | Movix: Are you calling this from an AddOn? |
| 19:31.53 | Seerah | and tons and tons and tons of other nummy flavors |
| 19:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | Cheesecake Factory rocks my world. |
| 19:32.23 | KarlKFI | yeah, the godiva is good, but the meals at cheesecake factory make me incredably full. i have to box 3/4 of it in order to even look at the deserts |
| 19:32.43 | Lopeppeppy | I just get the cheesecake to go, KarlKFI |
| 19:32.52 | Seerah | you're supposed to eat half of the meal and half of the cheesecake |
| 19:32.53 | Movix | yes, my addon does SetWhoToUI(1); SendWho('n-"'..name..'"'); |
| 19:33.01 | Seerah | then you have food and dessert for the next night, too |
| 19:33.25 | KarlKFI | yeah, i'm not that big a fan of cheesecake honestly. i mean i eat it and it's good, but not somehting i go pickup |
| 19:33.30 | Lopeppeppy | I did that with Olive Garden last night, Seerah. |
| 19:33.44 | Movix | and i have the ESC key disabled only after this calls |
| 19:33.45 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm cheesecake |
| 19:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: "Teach a man to fish, and he'll be fed for a day. But, teach a man to phish..." |
| 19:35.32 | KarlKFI | chocolate souffle ont eh other hand... |
| 19:36.30 | KarlKFI | i do go to yardhouse and get only chocolate souffle a la mode (and usually a desert martini) |
| 19:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | Phish Food ice cream rocks my world. |
| 19:37.21 | ArrowmasterClass | lol |
| 19:37.23 | ArrowmasterClass | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454536599&sid=1 |
| 19:37.29 | ArrowmasterClass | love the last post |
| 19:38.00 | Lunessa | Movix: That shouldn't be happening. Either something is tainting (maybe the UIDropDown bug) or something else is wrong. |
| 19:38.01 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: and he'll have free phone calls for the rest of his life? |
| 19:38.18 | cogwheel | err... s/phish/phreak/ |
| 19:38.20 | cogwheel | ~fail me |
| 19:38.21 | purl | cogwheel: FAIL! |
| 19:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 19:39.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That and something tells me if you taught people to phish we'd be out a LOT of WoW accounts |
| 19:39.23 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: and he'll feed 50 nigerians for the rest of their lives... |
| 19:41.00 | Seerah | I'm so tempted to order a cheesecake now... http://shop.thecheesecakefactory.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10251&catalogId=10001&categoryId=10001 |
| 19:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: probably |
| 19:42.07 | kamdis | you're on a roll today cogwheel |
| 19:42.09 | kamdis | <3 |
| 19:42.39 | Movix | UIDropDownMenu.lua line 809: attempt to index local 'frame' (a number value)? |
| 19:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Stop trying to index numbers! |
| 19:43.07 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/ >< |
| 19:43.14 | ArrowmasterClass | your probably using the 2.x syntax instead of the 3.x |
| 19:43.34 | kamdis | NHTS rofl |
| 19:43.55 | cogwheel | kamdis: <3 |
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| 19:47.10 | Lunessa | Oh the irony. |
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| 19:48.06 | Kraps | nerf the first boss of lego racers 2 |
| 19:49.05 | Movix | after doing a FriendsFrame:UnregisterEvent("WHO_LIST_UPDATE"); before my SendWho() and restoring FriendsFrame:RegisterEvent("WHO_LIST_UPDATE"); after processing my own WHO_LIST_UPDATE the ESC problem seems fixed ! |
| 19:49.44 | Movix | but i don't like this solution |
| 19:50.21 | Tekkub | fucking with /who is always messy |
| 19:50.59 | KarlKFI | right, you basically have to disable the friends frame any time you want to runa custom who |
| 19:51.29 | Tekkub | and hope that the user doesn't run one |
| 19:51.30 | KarlKFI | also have to disable the chatframe printouts if you're trying to make it hidden |
| 19:51.46 | Tekkub | and hope that the server isn't extra laggy |
| 19:52.39 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/58376637 |
| 19:52.54 | Movix | this seems dangerous to me, if my script runs into an error the original WHO_LIST_UPDATE is not restored, but ok so far, thx for your patience with my noobish questions :-| |
| 19:53.09 | kd3 | hm. obama press conference |
| 19:53.34 | KarlKFI | wrap your script in a try block |
| 19:53.59 | KarlKFI | or set a flag to restore on the next frame if the flag isn't disabled by successful operation |
| 19:54.20 | KarlKFI | or jsut dont worry about it. if it errors they're gonna disable your addon anyway |
| 20:00.42 | Kraps | by what measure are guilds ranked? |
| 20:00.53 | kd3 | boss kills? |
| 20:00.59 | KarlKFI | usually |
| 20:01.02 | Tekkub | yards |
| 20:01.07 | Kraps | heh |
| 20:01.15 | Lunessa | E-Peen length. |
| 20:01.20 | Adys | megahertz |
| 20:01.31 | Tekkub | quality of loot drama |
| 20:01.37 | Tekkub | (not quantity) |
| 20:01.40 | Kraps | E-Peen length seems accurate |
| 20:01.53 | Tekkub | which is yards, as I said |
| 20:01.59 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:02.09 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10971857546&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 20:02.26 | Lunessa | Loot Drama / Personality Drama is the lulz. Quality drama is for saving to my drive for lulz later. |
| 20:02.27 | Adys | lets see |
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| 20:02.32 | Adys | googling for "epic loot drama" |
| 20:02.40 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=6FB1293426169872189C1B99995EE08A.app11_07?topicId=7116545052&sid=1 |
| 20:02.45 | Kraps | wowinsider's guildwatch feature |
| 20:02.54 | NeoTron | cladhaire: LightHEaded will have WotLK data ready for next week right? |
| 20:03.25 | Tekkub | last I checked, there wasn't a ton of comments on wowhead fro wraf |
| 20:03.33 | Tekkub | *for |
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| 20:04.03 | NeoTron | Tekkub: there was when I leveled |
| 20:04.16 | Laraul | I haven't updated o 3.x yet... but does it store user data in the PROPER directory now (/user/<name>/)? |
| 20:04.19 | NeoTron | almsot always there were at least a waypoint for whatever item I couldn't find |
| 20:04.24 | NeoTron | unless they purged them |
| 20:04.34 | Tekkub | I only saw a few... granted they were generally better than the mass comments on oldworld stuff |
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| 20:05.13 | ArrowmasterClass | Laraul: are you talking about vista or mac? |
| 20:05.22 | Laraul | Do most ppl agree that curse.com sucks? |
| 20:05.29 | ArrowmasterClass | curse.com is fine |
| 20:05.38 | Adys | wow.curse.com isnt |
| 20:05.41 | Adys | hur hur. |
| 20:05.42 | Lunessa | Laraul: On Windows Vista, it's Users/Public/Games |
| 20:05.57 | Laraul | Yes that's where it should be |
| 20:06.00 | Kraps | no one will do areas like sunwell after wotlk right? |
| 20:06.08 | Adys | for achievements sure |
| 20:06.35 | kamdis | after BC did anyone still run Ony? Sure. shits and giggles or achievements. |
| 20:06.43 | Kraps | ony? |
| 20:06.53 | smcn | exactly!~ |
| 20:07.02 | Laraul | I've stopped playing WoW... until they add controller support... i hate the mouse |
| 20:07.14 | kamdis | Onyxia |
| 20:07.26 | Kraps | never been |
| 20:07.35 | Kraps | Blizzard have totally !###ed us over imo. Any Sunwell kills post patch are meaningless. The place can be facerolled now. We'll kill Kil'jaeden tonight and it will be a huge let down. Kiling M'uru for the first time felt great, it felt like an achievement. Even the subsequent kills felt great because he was a challenging boss. But now? Going through the instance it reminded me alot of... |
| 20:07.36 | Kraps | ...something, doing Naxx last weekend at 70. Its not even fun, its boring. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Kil'jaeden killed by a PUG before Wrath is released. |
| 20:07.49 | Kraps | GODDDDDDDD |
| 20:07.52 | kamdis | QQ QQ QQ |
| 20:07.59 | kamdis | welcome to expansions |
| 20:08.21 | Tekkub | anyone seen this before, just cropped up with my new vid card |
| 20:08.22 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3010425235/ |
| 20:08.43 | mikma | and yet people are wiping in sunwell |
| 20:09.04 | kamdis | That is some guy waving his epeen around. No more, no less. |
| 20:09.25 | mikma | tekkub: change uiscale |
| 20:09.25 | kamdis | I did this before the nerf so all those of you who didn't suck. |
| 20:09.47 | Tekkub | damn UI scale |
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| 20:10.26 | Tekkub | yea one notch fixed it |
| 20:10.27 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Yeah. Damned UI scale. Damn it I say! |
| 20:10.40 | NeoTron | Kraps: I'll definitely do Sunwell at 80... on my DK |
| 20:10.41 | Laraul | Why did they add the UI scale? |
| 20:11.16 | kamdis | Add? |
| 20:11.16 | mikma | tekkub: same happened to me too =/ and 0.1 change fixed |
| 20:11.17 | Kraps | gotta stop reading before before i /headdesk too much |
| 20:11.17 | Tekkub | .02 change here actually |
| 20:11.27 | NeoTron | Kraps: the main issue I have is not the nerfing at 3.0... but the lack of nerfing of especially M'uru pre-3.0 |
| 20:11.36 | Laraul | Yes... originally the UI could not be resized... |
| 20:11.44 | Laraul | But it shrinks it... |
| 20:11.50 | Laraul | Making sh*t harder to click |
| 20:11.54 | Kraps | lack of nerfing? |
| 20:12.17 | NeoTron | M'uru was too hard for too long for a majority of the guilds in the world to kill him in a reasonble amount of time |
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| 20:12.35 | NeoTron | and required extreme raid optimization forcing exclusion of certain classes/builds |
| 20:12.38 | ArrowmasterClass | we 1shoted m'uru after the nerf for our first kill |
| 20:13.11 | NeoTron | ArrowmasterClass: we had two pre-enrf kills but went in with about 15 people that had killed muru, 17 that had seen him before, and the rest having never been in SWP before |
| 20:13.12 | ArrowmasterClass | it wasnt very satisfing |
| 20:13.14 | Lunessa | Face it, only about 5% of all guilds will ever beat the original form of content. If you did, good for you. Bronze your penis and wave it around from time to time. The rest of use basically don't give a fuck. |
| 20:13.21 | NeoTron | some hadn't even been in BT, Hyjal. SSC or TK before |
| 20:13.32 | NeoTron | and we 4 shotted him (1% on our first try) |
| 20:13.36 | kamdis | Laural, wow that's a very long time ago, when it couldn't be resized. |
| 20:14.14 | Laraul | Yes sit was |
| 20:14.26 | NeoTron | Lunessa: problem is even post-patch M'uru has a 1.57% kill rate and KJ 1.25% |
| 20:14.35 | NeoTron | we were quite a bit higher than top 5%.. |
| 20:14.35 | kamdis | hence my confusion. i thought you meant something more recent. ;-) |
| 20:14.45 | Kraps | Lunessa: accorfing to what i'm reading, some people give a honking huge fuck |
| 20:15.05 | kamdis | Kraps: very, very small minority of very, very vocal people imo. |
| 20:15.14 | Laraul | Is PVP dead yet? |
| 20:15.29 | Slakah | no? |
| 20:15.30 | Lunessa | Let them bronze their penises too. |
| 20:15.55 | NeoTron | our new 10-man guild got to US Rank 716 after one trip in SWP...out of like 100k ranged guilds :P |
| 20:16.12 | mikma | klined rules ok |
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| 20:17.18 | Laraul | Seriously... doesn't anyone else become soar afer a few hours of play w/ the mouse? |
| 20:17.30 | NeoTron | kamdis: the main issue stem from guilds ahving wiped for 2+ months on M'uru seeing guilds that never went to SWP before go in and clear it in a couple of weeks |
| 20:17.36 | NeoTron | Laraul: negatiev |
| 20:17.42 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I'm happy for you. Really I am. I'm glad there is content in the game we both like playing that caters to you. Really. But 1.25% of the population is too small a number to design content for, no matter how much they compalin. |
| 20:17.55 | NeoTron | Lunessa: that is my point actually |
| 20:18.00 | NeoTron | Lunessa: it was too hard for too long |
| 20:18.26 | NeoTron | we were like top 220th in the US and didn't kill Kil'jaeden before breaking down over spending 2+ months wiping on Muru before finally killing him |
| 20:18.33 | Lunessa | I mean, don't mind me... I'm just bitter because I've never been to SW:p |
| 20:18.46 | Laraul | No one wants to fight a battle that they know they will lose. |
| 20:18.48 | Kraps | There's some interesting politics going down on Kael'thas -- someone suggested that *leadership of the realm might be needed*, and Vendetta's GL stepped up to try and take charge of raiding on the realm |
| 20:18.59 | Kraps | i dont get that part |
| 20:19.10 | KarlKFI | uh wut? |
| 20:19.12 | Lunessa | That's Epic Lulz righ there. |
| 20:19.37 | Kraps | wtf does "leadership of the realm might be needed" mean anyway? |
| 20:19.37 | NeoTron | Lunessa: they should do gradual nerfs over the lifetime of a dungeon imho.. it can start as hard as SWP but should have been toned down gradually since |
| 20:19.38 | KarlKFI | why the fuck does the whole realm need to organize when you can now just raid with 10mans |
| 20:19.49 | NeoTron | instead of getting oen major bitch slap into nothingness |
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| 20:20.23 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I disagree. I'm thinking it should never have been that hard in the first place. |
| 20:20.29 | kamdis | NeoTron: I understand the issue, thanks. |
| 20:20.36 | kamdis | been there done that with 40 man stuff |
| 20:20.36 | Lunessa | And anything that fixes that - good. |
| 20:21.04 | NeoTron | Lunessa: I agree that it probably was a bit too hard but primarily it remained too hard for too long. |
| 20:21.12 | Kraps | The Night Council on EU Sporeggar is preparing for Wrath... by cleaning house. Apparently a member of the guild called another "noobish" and when he got /gkicked, another member, who called the officers "little Hitlers," also got a swift /gkick. |
| 20:21.13 | NeoTron | it took us on average 1 month per boss kill |
| 20:21.18 | Kraps | omg wut |
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| 20:21.27 | NeoTron | during a time where we had guild issues - healers leaving, tanks leaving, dps leaving etc |
| 20:21.47 | Lunessa | Kraps: If someone called me or my officers that, they'ed get the boot too. |
| 20:22.06 | Kraps | yeah, i guess so |
| 20:22.32 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I hear you man. I don't think the challenge of WoW should be such that's it's both a game mechanic and a social problem. |
| 20:23.10 | Laraul | It's a social game... that problem will always exist |
| 20:23.15 | Kraps | dunno if i should join a raiding guild |
| 20:23.21 | mikma | kraps: lulzis |
| 20:23.32 | KarlKFI | raiding guilds are drama |
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| 20:23.41 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 20:23.44 | KarlKFI | if you want to see the content and get the loot you suffer the drama |
| 20:23.49 | mikma | try pvp-battlegrounds |
| 20:24.04 | mikma | or should i say, pvp-dramagrounds |
| 20:24.14 | Kraps | bgs are fine, but i wont grind them |
| 20:24.18 | Lunessa | Laraul: Yes, but the difficulty of encounters should not also force escalation (in most, rational, thinking humans) into the crap I see daily in raiding guild, especially the ones at the forefront of the difficulty wave. |
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| 20:25.20 | Laraul | Too bad you can't belong to multiple guilds at one time |
| 20:25.44 | Lunessa | Games should be fun. Challenging is good, but when the challenge requires you to subvert fun, then it's a bad game. |
| 20:26.08 | Tekkub | *coughFFXIcough* |
| 20:26.10 | Kraps | i want better gear, my guild is whispering about doing kara |
| 20:26.13 | Laraul | People get fustrated and angry and say things they don't mean... |
| 20:26.20 | NeoTron | I'm glad to be in a new smaller guild where the leadership is all unified |
| 20:26.22 | mikma | OpenTTD <3 |
| 20:26.30 | NeoTron | the guild I was in, even though in the end I was GM, had too muc baggage |
| 20:26.37 | Tekkub | although it wasn't really "challenging" unless you got into elemental weaknesses and weather (IE you were a Black Mage) |
| 20:26.44 | zenzelezz | mikma: indeed |
| 20:26.47 | NeoTron | "but we can't kick him, he's been loyal to us for 2 years" "yeah but he sucks" "..." |
| 20:26.50 | Tekkub | it was just grindful |
| 20:27.00 | Kraps | and they are very chilled and mature, which is why i'm reluctant to leave |
| 20:27.10 | KarlKFI | guilds are an exercise in social development and group dynamics |
| 20:27.14 | Laraul | Kraps: Wow a mature guild! |
| 20:27.35 | Kraps | i hit the jackpot even before i know about guild drama |
| 20:27.36 | foxlit | Wonder if ipairs guarantees an interation order |
| 20:27.49 | Kraps | *knew |
| 20:27.50 | KarlKFI | that's the whole point of ipairs |
| 20:28.02 | KarlKFI | numeric itreration |
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| 20:28.35 | Lunessa | Tekkub: One of the reasons I dreaded going back to retial servers out of beta was that <Secure Templars> was lots of fun/no-pressure and the people were interesting. Live misses that sometimes for me. |
| 20:28.42 | KarlKFI | if you want non-numeric keys you need pairs, which isn't ordered |
| 20:29.02 | Tekkub | Lunessa, aye, we need a nice guild of our own like that somewhere |
| 20:29.10 | Tekkub | I hate raiding guilds |
| 20:29.10 | foxlit | KarlKFI: A "yes" would suffice. |
| 20:29.14 | Laraul | I dunno why people first flip the /kick switch when they read something they wouldn't want to hear... when the /ignore option works much beter |
| 20:29.17 | mikma | FREE MIGRATES FOR ADDON DEVELOPERS! |
| 20:29.31 | Tekkub | I want a "casual" guild where "casual" means "we do the heroic daily sometimes" |
| 20:29.39 | KarlKFI | Sucure Templars wasn't a guild.. it was a group of programmers who happen to play the game |
| 20:29.45 | Tekkub | PvE wherever it is! |
| 20:29.53 | foxlit | CvC? |
| 20:29.53 | NeoTron | I'm glad I'm rerolling DK. Makes me not care that I never got a Skull of Gul'dan or M'uru trinket, didn't get the ZA ring until after quitting raiding, didn't get the ZA trinket until the very eend etc |
| 20:29.57 | Tekkub | KarlKFI, that's the point |
| 20:30.01 | KarlKFI | meh |
| 20:30.02 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: And were good for finding groups and lots of laughs. |
| 20:30.07 | Tekkub | a guild of people that play just for fun |
| 20:30.11 | Tekkub | not in it for the loots |
| 20:30.15 | matt1s | Do you guys know of an addon that pops up a notice when a mining node is on the minimap? |
| 20:30.23 | NeoTron | matt1s: not possible |
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| 20:30.38 | KarlKFI | yeah i was ina casual guild for a while pre-bc |
| 20:30.38 | matt1s | oh ok |
| 20:30.45 | durcyn | certainly possible if the mining node's location is already recorded with a gathering addon |
| 20:30.45 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I do want to see content, and I want to "play well" by my own lights. |
| 20:30.53 | KarlKFI | i bailed cause i wanted to actually play the game |
| 20:30.54 | Tekkub | Lunessa, horde though, please :) |
| 20:31.04 | NeoTron | durcyn: you can't query the location of nodes |
| 20:31.09 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Bah. And abandon all my 70s? |
| 20:31.13 | Tekkub | oh I *really* want to see content, I want to do old raids |
| 20:31.17 | durcyn | there's a wowace project from a while back that monitors your gathermate nodes and switches tracking based on what's closest |
| 20:31.18 | NeoTron | durcyn: like actual "there's a mine there right now" vs "there might be one" |
| 20:31.24 | durcyn | NeoTron: no, of course not |
| 20:31.24 | foxlit | watch a video. |
| 20:31.27 | Tekkub | but I don't want to be pushing the latest "progression" raids |
| 20:31.31 | NeoTron | durcyn: I asusme that is what matt1s meant |
| 20:31.31 | foxlit | content seen, check. |
| 20:31.47 | Tekkub | if people want to raid, them them move their 80 to a raid guild |
| 20:31.52 | durcyn | NeoTron: i know, just making him aware of the next best thing, relax |
| 20:31.52 | NeoTron | foxlit: apple meet orange |
| 20:32.02 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I want to do all the WotLK content before "The Next Big Expansion" |
| 20:32.21 | Laraul | What did they change addon wise for 3.0.x? |
| 20:32.21 | Tekkub | keep the guild spirit just having fun together and seeing everything we can |
| 20:32.21 | KarlKFI | that's not gonna be casual |
| 20:32.21 | NeoTron | foxlit: that's like saying watching Food TV is a great way to eat new food ;-) |
| 20:32.21 | Tekkub | so join a raid guild :P |
| 20:32.30 | Dashkal | Late to the party but agreed. <Secure Templars> is an environment I'm going to miss |
| 20:32.31 | foxlit | NeoTron: said "see" not "experience" |
| 20:33.01 | NeoTron | not very satisfying is all I'm saying, for a raider. |
| 20:33.01 | KarlKFI | needed more healers |
| 20:33.29 | Lunessa | Hey! I copied over a second shaman JUST for heals! |
| 20:33.48 | KarlKFI | casual guild is fine until you get up to full heroic epics. then you get bored |
| 20:34.01 | Tekkub | I'll go druid so I can be healey or tanky |
| 20:34.16 | Tekkub | hell, I might even abuse RAF if the guild takes off |
| 20:34.32 | NeoTron | I'm definitely an achiever (MMO personality) |
| 20:34.34 | Lunessa | But, but you want horde. |
| 20:34.40 | KarlKFI | horde ftl |
| 20:34.45 | Tekkub | yes, because everyone goes ally :P |
| 20:34.53 | Tekkub | and I've played ally far too long |
| 20:34.57 | KarlKFI | who is this everyone you speak of |
| 20:35.04 | Fisker- | this is madness |
| 20:35.04 | Dashkal | Ally for life :p |
| 20:35.12 | Thunder_Child | well Tekkub IS evil |
| 20:35.13 | Tekkub | uh, how big was ST vs <WTB API PST>? |
| 20:35.19 | Dashkal | (Or at least until I find myself with more horde friends) |
| 20:35.22 | Kraps | allys r nubs!!!!!!11111 |
| 20:35.38 | Kraps | not |
| 20:35.45 | KarlKFI | oh you mean everyone == addon programmers |
| 20:35.55 | KarlKFI | ltquantify |
| 20:36.01 | KarlKFI | qualify* |
| 20:37.47 | Laraul | I wish Blizzard would dump the TOC file... |
| 20:37.59 | Laraul | Just stick with XML... or stick with the TOC but not both |
| 20:38.01 | Laraul | And I wish for standards... |
| 20:38.02 | Shirik | Tekkub: That's because only the elite were allowed in <WTB API PST> |
| 20:38.17 | Tekkub | uh, don't use XML? problem solved |
| 20:38.22 | Slakah | KarlKFI: http://blog.gamerdna.com/blog/2008/10/24/horde-vs-alliance-data-smackdown/ |
| 20:38.32 | Tekkub | Shirik, everyone could invite :P |
| 20:38.36 | Lunessa | What I'm Looking For: Friendly, Fun People, Relaxed Atmosphere, Competent Play (i.e. no wiping on content we've done a lot); I want good conversation when I'm online, and people who a) encourage me to play better, b) laugh at my jokes, c) make me want to help them. Not too much to ask, is it? |
| 20:38.44 | Shirik | yes, but in order to be invited, you had to be horde |
| 20:38.45 | KarlKFI | 58% != everyone |
| 20:38.47 | Shirik | that qualifies as elite, imo |
| 20:39.09 | Tekkub | that's not elite, that's game mechanics |
| 20:39.10 | Laraul | I would prefer XML over the TOC file |
| 20:39.16 | Dashkal | Lunessa: Sounds like my guild, actually |
| 20:39.37 | Tekkub | Laraul, then you're in the minority, most of us avoid the XML as much as we can |
| 20:39.43 | Lunessa | Oh, and if possible, I want to help make decisions, but not be the only decision making person. |
| 20:39.57 | Dashkal | Definitely sounds like my guild, actually |
| 20:40.01 | Tekkub | so have a ruling council |
| 20:40.09 | Laraul | Tekkub, Yeah cuz u use windows ^^ |
| 20:40.24 | Tekkub | windows has nothing to do with it... |
| 20:40.30 | Laraul | XML is not meant to be generated via human |
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| 20:40.57 | Lunessa | Nah, I just want to be the wise, knowledgeable advisor who says, "Let it be so," then the guy in charge goes "SO MOTE IT BE." |
| 20:41.00 | Laraul | It's a pain in the ass to type up... |
| 20:41.36 | KarlKFI | xml ftw |
| 20:41.58 | Laraul | But it's great for reading from... |
| 20:42.10 | KarlKFI | tag auto completion ftw |
| 20:42.18 | Laraul | And it's simple so writing a genrator isn't hard |
| 20:42.24 | Lunessa | XML does not suck. It's very helpful for understanding relationships or objects. But it is a pain to read. |
| 20:42.24 | Dashkal | I use XML whenever I want to make a document easily generated/parsed by a computer, but also easily tweaked by a human |
| 20:42.35 | Laraul | It's a pain to read |
| 20:42.48 | KarlKFI | uh |
| 20:42.57 | KarlKFI | you jsut said it's great for reading from |
| 20:43.12 | Laraul | No I mean for a program to read from |
| 20:43.19 | Laraul | It's a great way to store data |
| 20:43.25 | KarlKFI | you l2qualify too |
| 20:43.25 | Laraul | And read from it |
| 20:44.06 | Lunessa | I need to L2Bring more snacks. |
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| 20:44.46 | KarlKFI | it's an epidemic i tell you! brief != succinct |
| 20:44.55 | Gnarfoz | can anyone point me to docs about ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter or what it's called? |
| 20:45.41 | KarlKFI | stickies |
| 20:45.45 | Kraps | whats a good warr tank weap speed? |
| 20:45.49 | Lyn | wohow |
| 20:45.51 | Lyn | axe from eventboss |
| 20:45.51 | Lyn | :DD |
| 20:48.17 | Gnarfoz | KarlKFI: stickies actually lead here, btw ;p |
| 20:48.28 | KarlKFI | broken |
| 20:48.43 | KarlKFI | looks for slouken's blue post |
| 20:48.52 | KarlKFI | in iriel's change stiky |
| 20:49.00 | KarlKFI | for like 2.4 |
| 20:49.02 | Gnarfoz | 3.0? |
| 20:49.07 | KarlKFI | er |
| 20:49.08 | Kraps | it took 6 posts to go downhill http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6715721592&sid=1 |
| 20:49.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah, those *aren't* sticky anymore, that's the problem |
| 20:49.15 | KarlKFI | mmm |
| 20:49.24 | Gnarfoz | and blizz's forum software sucks balls for usability :( |
| 20:49.24 | KarlKFI | might be ont he wiki |
| 20:49.41 | KarlKFI | ~wowwiki ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 20:49.42 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 20:49.52 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 20:50.03 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 20:50.43 | Gnarfoz | durr |
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| 20:50.44 | Gnarfoz | mediawiki search isn't too good either |
| 20:50.45 | KarlKFI | worked for me |
| 20:50.53 | kd3 | then just go to http://www.wowwiki.com/API and find it there? |
| 20:50.53 | foxlit | You're bashing mediawiki search? :) |
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| 20:50.55 | Gnarfoz | I have the wowwiki search plugin in firefox for a reason, it's not like I didn't try wowwiki first :D |
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| 20:51.03 | Lunessa | afk... need snacks. |
| 20:51.04 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: it would seem so ;D |
| 20:51.11 | Gnarfoz | kd3: I wasn't even sure it was called that ^^ |
| 20:51.29 | Gnarfoz | KarlKFI: thanks :) |
| 20:51.31 | foxlit | kd3: meh, API creep. It's not a proper API call :/ |
| 20:51.33 | KarlKFI | i just went to the one purl linked and clicked the "try sreaching for X instead" link and it was the first one |
| 20:51.42 | kd3 | meh, it's in the framexml, which is close enough |
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| 20:51.54 | Gnarfoz | it has the 'this is not API' tag already ^^ |
| 20:51.55 | KarlKFI | ~botsnack |
| 20:51.55 | purl | aw, gee, KarlKFI |
| 20:51.56 | foxlit | Yet not everything that's in framexml is documented on [[API]] |
| 20:52.21 | Gnarfoz | true |
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| 20:55.46 | Gnarfoz | woot |
| 20:56.03 | Gnarfoz | someone's spamming keylogger links in our realmforum |
| 20:56.08 | Gnarfoz | via a russian account oO |
| 20:56.17 | Gnarfoz | like, the last 100 threads are all replied last by that one guy ^^ |
| 20:56.43 | mikma | neat |
| 21:02.47 | NeoTron | hmm. new raid guild application requirement: post your MMORPG personality test score |
| 21:03.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:03.16 | NeoTron | not an achiever? well that's too bad! *plonk* |
| 21:03.44 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: See, the original owner of that account really wanted to see the sex leg. |
| 21:04.10 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: in soviet russa, leg sexes you :( |
| 21:04.31 | Lunessa | In Soviet Russia, Account Steals YOU! |
| 21:07.50 | haste | In Soviet Account, Russia Steals YOU! |
| 21:08.13 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 21:08.13 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give batrick a big kiss on the forehead |
| 21:08.56 | NeoTron | in Sweden, the Fraud Kampf department sends emails to you |
| 21:09.50 | NeoTron | there's been a slew of spam in "Swedish" that had the "Fraid Kampf avdelningen" as the sender or similar. i.e fraud prevention department in with English German Swedish words. |
| 21:10.36 | Fisker- | Fraid is english? |
| 21:10.39 | Fisker- | BUUUUUUURN |
| 21:10.48 | Lunessa | Insecure SMTP servers are insecure |
| 21:10.50 | NeoTron | s/Fraid/Fraud/ |
| 21:10.53 | NeoTron | of course |
| 21:11.26 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6752075207&sid=1#6 <-rage is rage |
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| 21:13.08 | Lunessa | ... rage, it's what's for warriors. |
| 21:19.19 | Laraul | I am going to guess that most of you don't have a console (a modern one) |
| 21:19.34 | Dewin | I have a Wii. |
| 21:20.02 | Laraul | Why would ppl snicker? |
| 21:20.08 | Laraul | Wii kicks ass |
| 21:20.12 | Dewin | Somehow saying it that way sounds wrong:) |
| 21:20.24 | Laraul | Christ grow up |
| 21:20.38 | Gnarfoz | besides a Wii, consoles suck. :p |
| 21:20.41 | linear` | whats the scrollchild of a scrollframe |
| 21:20.42 | Gnarfoz | *the |
| 21:20.54 | linear` | is the scrollchild where i parent all my frames |
| 21:21.09 | Dewin | Gnarfoz: there's several games I'd like to get that don't have wii versions. |
| 21:21.16 | Gnarfoz | PC games? |
| 21:21.19 | Dewin | Not that I'd have time to play them. |
| 21:21.24 | foxlit | Hm, so CG went to Ace3? |
| 21:21.38 | Dewin | not PC games |
| 21:22.17 | Gnarfoz | see? :p |
| 21:22.23 | foxlit | damn you, readme.txt |
| 21:22.24 | Laraul | See what? |
| 21:22.29 | foxlit | "ClosetGnome fires Ace2 events" |
| 21:22.33 | foxlit | No. No, it doesn't. |
| 21:22.41 | Gnarfoz | Wii doesn't suck because it's FUN |
| 21:22.55 | Laraul | PCs are a horrible gaming machine... |
| 21:22.57 | Gnarfoz | apart from that, consoles suck. :P |
| 21:22.58 | Dewin | It'd be far more fun if I had time to play it ;) |
| 21:23.03 | Gnarfoz | Laraul: oh, but they aren't ;) |
| 21:23.04 | Laraul | Well the games are horrible |
| 21:23.11 | Laraul | Oh but they are |
| 21:23.17 | Gnarfoz | because the other consoles are just PCs internally, too :p |
| 21:23.26 | Dewin | Laraul: Yeah, PCs are horrible for gaming, just look at World of Warcraft and how crappy that is. |
| 21:23.29 | Laraul | Yes they are all computers |
| 21:23.51 | Dewin | They are? I thought Wiis were just white boxes filled with pixie dust. |
| 21:23.52 | Gnarfoz | you're missing the point. 360 and ps3 are high-powered computers trying to make up for innovation with prettier gfx |
| 21:24.06 | Gnarfoz | which PCs already do better than they ever could |
| 21:24.09 | Laraul | Dewin, I don't care for WoW anymore... I said that earlier. |
| 21:24.19 | Laraul | Why? Cuz no controller support |
| 21:24.28 | Dewin | I'm only barely paying attention to this window, so I didn't notice |
| 21:24.52 | Laraul | Look at WoW's key bind window huh? |
| 21:24.53 | Gnarfoz | uhm you can control wow with whatever input device you want |
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| 21:25.03 | Gnarfoz | as long as your operating system of choice accepts it. |
| 21:25.22 | Gnarfoz | controllers being USB devices these days makes that pretty easy *cough* |
| 21:25.32 | Dewin | up until you said that second bit, I was going to ask for the 'control it with my mind' howto |
| 21:25.39 | Laraul | WoW is not designed to be played with a controller |
| 21:25.46 | Gnarfoz | no shit sherlock |
| 21:25.55 | Gnarfoz | and I certainly hope it never reaches that point of stupidty |
| 21:25.58 | Gnarfoz | *stupidity |
| 21:26.01 | Dashkal | MMO on a controller *shudder* |
| 21:26.02 | Laraul | Well it needs to be |
| 21:26.03 | Dewin | Though... a suitable controller would actually be fairly nice in wow to some extent |
| 21:26.06 | Gnarfoz | no it doesn't |
| 21:26.08 | Laraul | I play FFXI |
| 21:26.12 | Gnarfoz | grats |
| 21:26.13 | Dewin | I couldn't imagine using one in FFXI |
| 21:26.25 | Dewin | (I tried a few times, never cared for it) |
| 21:26.33 | Gnarfoz | when wow reaches the point where there's one class left and it has only enough abilities to fit on a controller... |
| 21:26.49 | Laraul | Dewin: PLZ play it using a controller before saying something like that |
| 21:27.00 | batrick | what the hell was that purl |
| 21:27.07 | Dewin | Laraul: I tried playing FFXI *with a controller* a few times, never cared for it that way |
| 21:27.25 | Lunessa | 1. The Wii is a white box filled with magic space pixies. 2. The PC is the ONLY way to play the sort of games I like. 3. I snicker every time someone says they're going to play with their "Wii." |
| 21:27.51 | Laraul | Dewin, Play it for a week with a PS2 style controller |
| 21:27.51 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: win on points 1 & 2. |
| 21:27.55 | Laraul | You will never go back |
| 21:28.11 | Dewin | Lauraul: My Logitech controller is pretty much exactly the same as a PS2 controller |
| 21:28.16 | Laraul | Lunessa, WoW is the only game that isn't availible on a cnsole |
| 21:28.37 | Gnarfoz | Laraul: uhhhh right, rofl |
| 21:28.44 | Dashkal | *blinks* |
| 21:28.45 | Dewin | but I've played FFXI on and off since a few months after NA release, and actually become one of the windower devs about a month before I quit. If you used Infobar you might know me ;) |
| 21:29.00 | Dashkal | Could you pass me some of that crack you're smoking? |
| 21:29.07 | Lunessa | Laraul: I have an Atari 2600, a colecovision, a C64, a PS2 and a Sega. All the kinds of games I like to play don't translate well to consoles. |
| 21:29.17 | Gnarfoz | RTS games on a console |
| 21:29.21 | Gnarfoz | good luck! |
| 21:29.22 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:29.24 | Laraul | Stop the shit about PCs v.s. Consoles... think what you want... this is about controller support... |
| 21:29.26 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: I was thinking of that :p |
| 21:29.38 | Gnarfoz | Laraul: which leads back to PCs vs. Consoles. |
| 21:29.38 | Dewin | I didn't have enough macros in FFXI as was, much less if I was constrained to a controller ;) |
| 21:29.43 | Lunessa | I mean, you every try playing Civ on a console? |
| 21:29.46 | Dashkal | Laraul: more to the point there are plenty of game types that do not translate well to a joystick. Some things need a mouse |
| 21:30.11 | Gnarfoz | snes had a mouse if you had mario paint! xD |
| 21:30.12 | Dewin | yay for aliases and //g, //ss, //b, //firaga3 |
| 21:30.13 | Laraul | Dashkal, Not anymore |
| 21:30.29 | Gnarfoz | Laraul: uh what. |
| 21:30.32 | Dashkal | Laraul: RTS and FPS games suck with joysticks. The mouse is inherently faster. |
| 21:30.39 | Dewin | For FPS games, a mouse provides far more accuracy |
| 21:30.44 | Gnarfoz | let alone D-Pads xD |
| 21:30.45 | Laraul | Listen I have all three consoles and a PC... I use all of them all the time |
| 21:30.55 | Gnarfoz | and STILL you're full of shit? :p |
| 21:31.02 | Dashkal | Why am I feeding the troll? *wanders off for lunch* |
| 21:31.09 | Gnarfoz | feed yourself instead, heh |
| 21:31.19 | Lunessa | In IRC, Troll feeds you. |
| 21:31.20 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: agreed :p |
| 21:31.23 | Laraul | Dewin, *sigh* Unless it's a console FPS where the controller works better |
| 21:31.29 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 21:31.35 | Gnarfoz | are that those with auto-aiming? |
| 21:31.36 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 21:31.46 | Gnarfoz | you can't win this :P |
| 21:32.29 | Laraul | Listen... a game intended for a PC will play better on a PC... a game targeted for a console plays better on consoles |
| 21:33.38 | NeoTron | and a game intended to be played with dice plays better if you sit at a table vs sitting on the lawl |
| 21:33.42 | NeoTron | s/lawl/lawn/ |
| 21:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | While I don't mind random recruiter calls that much, it'd be nice if they at least -looked- at my resume instead of saying "we think you'd be a good fit for <some random job>" |
| 21:34.19 | NeoTron | Dashkal: it actually was, my hand slipped |
| 21:34.28 | Dashkal | Twice |
| 21:34.42 | NeoTron | actually, yes |
| 21:34.46 | Laraul | PC gaming is dying.. |
| 21:34.55 | NeoTron | not going to say it wasn't a bit of a good typo though |
| 21:34.56 | Slakah | clearly |
| 21:35.07 | NeoTron | Laraul: yeah it's so bad it's been dying for at least 10 years |
| 21:35.18 | NeoTron | Laraul: maybe in another 20-40 years it'll be dying even more |
| 21:35.20 | Dashkal | PC gaming has been 'dying' for years and years. I note I'm still playing most games on the PC... |
| 21:35.30 | KarlKFI | uh |
| 21:35.32 | KarlKFI | dying? |
| 21:35.36 | KarlKFI | wtf? |
| 21:35.56 | kd3 | ya. that meme's found its way to the net again |
| 21:35.56 | kd3 | >.> |
| 21:36.00 | Dewin | Considering the booth that got so much attention that they called in extra security to manage the lines at PAX this year was... Fallout3, with a PC release, and the #1 moneymaker is World of Warcraft... only available on PC, I'd say PC gaming is doing just fine. |
| 21:36.05 | Laraul | Yeah none of you have consoles |
| 21:36.23 | Dashkal | The wii in the corner says otherwise... |
| 21:36.26 | Laraul | You'd know that just about every game is released on multiple platforms |
| 21:36.29 | Dashkal | I rather enjoy it too |
| 21:36.29 | kd3 | I've had an NES since I was a kid. I've got a wii now |
| 21:36.37 | Dashkal | Lots of good games |
| 21:36.46 | KarlKFI | just because console gamign is increasing in popularity doesn't mean pc gaiming is dying |
| 21:37.16 | KarlKFI | gaming in general has become mainstream |
| 21:37.19 | Laraul | PC gaming is dyning because the trouble it is running them |
| 21:37.27 | KarlKFI | and is now surpassing many other forms of entertainment |
| 21:37.39 | Laraul | It did that years ago... |
| 21:37.49 | Dewin | I'd say a significant portion of the console gaming rise in popularity is games you can play in the living room with your friends, aka DDR (well it started it), Guitar Hero, Rock Band, etc. It wouldn't take much to make a PC version of said games, but most people don't have their PC hooked up to the big screen TV in the living room thus it doesn't make sense. |
| 21:37.51 | KarlKFI | so how is that dying... |
| 21:37.52 | Lunessa | ./facepalm |
| 21:37.52 | kd3 | so... what angle are you trying to pusH? |
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| 21:38.45 | Dewin | add Rayman, Warioware, and other such games in there and that's why Wii has (to my knowledge) still outsold PS3 and 360 combined. |
| 21:39.07 | NeoTron | Laraul: you like to make general statements eh? How can you even begin to say "none of you have consoles"? |
| 21:39.10 | Laraul | Yeah the Wii is hot... proving that graphics DO NOT MATTER |
| 21:39.19 | KarlKFI | LOL |
| 21:39.24 | KarlKFI | just stop talking |
| 21:39.28 | kd3 | and uh... who was arguing that? |
| 21:39.28 | KarlKFI | no one want to hear you |
| 21:39.36 | Dewin | The Wii is hot because it has more of a focus on games that get your family/friends into the living room vs. killing random faceless people online. |
| 21:39.38 | Laraul | Er... you know the game Spore? |
| 21:39.51 | Dashkal | Ok, now I'm really thinking you're on crack... Your 'logic' seems to be in the form of a plate of spaghetti... |
| 21:39.52 | Laraul | Bleh nevermind I wanna talk about controller support |
| 21:40.02 | Laraul | But this is the problem I run into. |
| 21:40.08 | NeoTron | Dashkal: all hail his noodly ... oh wait |
| 21:40.16 | Dashkal | NeoTron: :p |
| 21:40.31 | Dewin | On the flip side of the argument, look at the casual games market -- there's an entire other category of gamers out there who play stuff like Peggle, Insaniquarium, etc. People who you wouldn't normally consider 'gamers'. Not to mention the large amount of free-to-play MMOs out there |
| 21:40.42 | Dashkal | Peggle = :D |
| 21:40.43 | NeoTron | Laraul: there are pleny of games you can play with a "controller". Since PC gaming is dying, why care about us aging unix geeks with big beards and our old "mice" |
| 21:40.45 | KarlKFI | there is no argument. no flip side. stop it |
| 21:40.45 | Dewin | I don't know of ANY of those that are on a console |
| 21:40.53 | Laraul | PCs users always think they are more elite than console players... and beleive that consoles are just for youger ppl |
| 21:41.04 | Dashkal | Ahem? |
| 21:41.05 | Dashkal | I do not |
| 21:41.09 | Dewin | Both have a place. |
| 21:41.11 | NeoTron | Laraul: you're delusional |
| 21:41.18 | kd3 | "always"? bad word to use in a channel such as this |
| 21:41.21 | NeoTron | Laraul: how old, by chance, aer you? |
| 21:41.31 | KarlKFI | pc gaming is dying. that's why consoles are made out of computer parts. QED |
| 21:41.39 | Laraul | 30 |
| 21:41.50 | NeoTron | speaking of which, I bet most console users, especially multi-console users, are older |
| 21:41.52 | Dashkal | 30... and hasn't grown up... sad |
| 21:42.05 | Dewin | NeoTron: Well, obviously, since consoles cost money |
| 21:42.23 | NeoTron | young console games => kids of older console gamers :P |
| 21:42.38 | Laraul | I used 2 play on PC all the time |
| 21:42.56 | NeoTron | do you really need to abbreviate to as 2? seriously? |
| 21:43.13 | Laraul | yeah I SMS a lot |
| 21:43.16 | Dashkal | 30, argues with logic that would make a 14 year old proud, and uses aolbonics... out |
| 21:43.20 | Pneumatus | you really don't read like a 30 year old... |
| 21:43.25 | NeoTron | If you say 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I'll say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'. |
| 21:43.40 | Pneumatus | "youger ppl" |
| 21:43.46 | Dewin | Neotron: then what about 'plox'? |
| 21:43.51 | Dewin | would that get a 'nope'? |
| 21:43.58 | NeoTron | plox? wtf is plox? :P |
| 21:44.33 | NeoTron | Laraul: *plonk* |
| 21:44.40 | Dewin | another version of 'please' I've seen, I'm not aware of the origin. |
| 21:44.50 | NeoTron | can't say I've ever seen it |
| 21:44.57 | Dewin | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plox |
| 21:45.19 | NeoTron | also guys, I recommend the useful command "/ignore Laraul" as a solution |
| 21:45.30 | Pneumatus | plox is a synonym for plix, also |
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| 21:45.39 | linear` | is it possible to GetSpellInfo("spellname") on a spell thats not your class |
| 21:45.45 | Dewin | I see it on the wow forums periodically |
| 21:46.02 | NeoTron | linear`: no, that is not possible |
| 21:46.10 | NeoTron | linear`: it needs to be in your spellbook to work with name |
| 21:46.13 | kamdis | NeoTron plox is some illconceived abbreviation for Please. |
| 21:46.16 | Pneumatus | this ^^ |
| 21:46.18 | kamdis | or please and thanks |
| 21:46.47 | NeoTron | I guess plz at least in some way makes sense. plox is just a random completely unrelated word |
| 21:47.10 | Shirik | Take note that x is right next to z |
| 21:47.20 | linear` | would it be feasible that if you want to lookup the spellname and it returns nil that you go through every GetSpellInfo starting from spellid 1 until you find a matching name |
| 21:47.30 | Dashkal | please and thanks makes some sense, but where did the 'o' come from? PLease and thanX |
| 21:47.31 | Shirik | So I assume the transition went somewhere around please->pls->plz->plx->plox |
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| 21:47.53 | NeoTron | or pliz => ploz => plox... |
| 21:47.57 | Shirik | you should make a new one |
| 21:48.04 | Shirik | plc |
| 21:48.12 | Shirik | ploc |
| 21:48.13 | Pneumatus | plx->plix->plox i think |
| 21:48.13 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:48.13 | NeoTron | linear`: nomrally look up the spell ID on wowhead or similar and use that |
| 21:48.17 | Shirik | ploc is a good one |
| 21:48.32 | NeoTron | plees |
| 21:48.51 | NeoTron | nomrally. good one. nom nom |
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| 21:49.13 | Lyn | oh no |
| 21:49.15 | NeoTron | linear`: essentially what is the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 21:49.51 | NeoTron | http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7760/hahahazi6rp8.jpg |
| 21:50.23 | linear` | i want the user to input a spell name |
| 21:50.30 | linear` | and i want the icon to be returned |
| 21:50.35 | linear` | icon texture path that is |
| 21:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:50.52 | Pneumatus | BARACK OBAMA IS A SHADOW PRIEST?! |
| 21:51.04 | NeoTron | linear`: does it have to work for spells not available to the class? |
| 21:51.10 | linear` | yes |
| 21:51.11 | Pneumatus | or maybe disc |
| 21:51.17 | NeoTron | I don't know if there are any ill effects of iterating through all spells |
| 21:51.25 | NeoTron | Pneumatus: disc |
| 21:51.35 | linear` | is GetSpellInfo a server or clientside call |
| 21:51.39 | linear` | thats the only thing im worried about |
| 21:51.41 | Shirik | how do you get shadow priest out of that Pneumatus? |
| 21:51.54 | Pneumatus | mind flay and VE, shrik |
| 21:51.59 | Shirik | op |
| 21:51.59 | Shirik | I see it |
| 21:52.00 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:52.04 | Shirik | guess so |
| 21:52.08 | Pneumatus | and silence |
| 21:52.13 | Pneumatus | must at least have a few points in shadow |
| 21:52.33 | Pneumatus | but with mana burn on the cast bar i should have assumed it was pvp disc |
| 21:53.14 | Laraul | k nore debate... i wanna compare wow and ffxi. wow is a PC/Mac game... targeted only for that platform. FFXI was targeted and originally released for the PS2 in 2002. WoW is played with a keyboard & mouse. FFXI keyboard and controller. |
| 21:54.12 | NightHawkTheSane | one is an apple, the other is an orange. debate over. |
| 21:54.16 | Laraul | They are opposites... but FFXI shows how WoW could add controller support... |
| 21:54.49 | NeoTron | linear`: honestly unless someone here knows better, test it and see what happens |
| 21:54.51 | kamdis | NightHawkTheSane++ |
| 21:54.53 | Laraul | First thing.... You don't use an interface like the key bind window to configure a controller |
| 21:56.14 | Laraul | In order to get the most functionality... you assign multiple functions to one single element |
| 21:56.36 | Pneumatus | whats this got to do with wow ui development? |
| 21:56.41 | Pneumatus | im confused |
| 21:56.44 | Laraul | User Interface |
| 21:56.58 | Laraul | I dunno I give up. |
| 21:57.09 | kamdis | WOW UI DEV |
| 21:57.12 | Laraul | I don't have time for one MMO let alone 2 |
| 21:57.14 | kamdis | that's the channel |
| 21:58.51 | Lunessa | back to the funny picture... I notice that Biden's rage bar is nearly full. |
| 21:59.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Biden's rage bar is always full, i imagine |
| 21:59.59 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 22:00.13 | kd3 | rofl. pretty good spoof |
| 22:00.43 | Lunessa | I don't care who you are, that's funny right there. |
| 22:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: indeed. |
| 22:01.04 | Lyn | mikma, installed xp :O |
| 22:01.08 | NeoTron | Lunessa: likely if you're not a WoW player... it'd not be so funny ;-) |
| 22:01.29 | KarlKFI | Anyone tried implementing http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11419-LibDefaults.html ? I'm looking for usage feedback. |
| 22:01.30 | Lunessa | Yeah, well... not many of those in HERE. |
| 22:01.51 | NeoTron | Lunessa: indeed |
| 22:02.47 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 22:02.48 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: Looks handy, but I haven't tried it. |
| 22:03.07 | Laraul | WTF does that have to do with UI DEV? |
| 22:03.15 | NeoTron | KarlKFI: ditto since I use Ace3 for defaults |
| 22:03.33 | KarlKFI | sure, it's kind of an AceDB alternatice |
| 22:03.39 | KarlKFI | alternative* |
| 22:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | what kind of eggs do i want to make? scrambled? over easy? an omelette? |
| 22:04.45 | kamdis | scrambled with cheese imo |
| 22:04.45 | sacarasc | all of them |
| 22:04.49 | kamdis | that's always the right answer |
| 22:04.54 | KarlKFI | doesn't have any of the profile stuff or extra reverse compat baggage that AceDB has, and is a little more optimized for minimal memory footprint |
| 22:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | kamdis: hmm... that does sound rather good. |
| 22:05.24 | kamdis | :-) |
| 22:05.51 | KarlKFI | on the other hand if you need those extra features you're better off just using AceDB |
| 22:06.22 | mikma | lyn: most likely you wont regret it |
| 22:06.36 | Dashkal | wow, the troll is still here? I might just have to silence him |
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| 22:08.05 | kamdis | I hate the UI forum today. |
| 22:08.07 | kamdis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454626704&postId=124533963801&sid=1 |
| 22:08.09 | kamdis | prime example |
| 22:08.19 | KarlKFI | if you hate somehting, please dont link it.. |
| 22:08.34 | kamdis | No one's making you click it |
| 22:08.39 | KarlKFI | that's like sharing depression tho |
| 22:08.54 | kamdis | What else are you guys good for, if not sharing deperssion? |
| 22:08.59 | kamdis | *depression |
| 22:09.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 22:09.03 | KarlKFI | funny, feel free to share funny |
| 22:09.14 | kamdis | oh fine. |
| 22:09.16 | Lyn | mikma, :D |
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| 22:09.42 | mikma | now you made him angry |
| 22:10.02 | mikma | try: /m kamdis i love you please dont go! |
| 22:11.45 | Dashkal | KarlKFI: have a lolcat http://icanhascheezburger.com/ |
| 22:12.05 | KarlKFI | that's not specific enough. i need you to actually find a specific funny one |
| 22:12.17 | KarlKFI | small doses |
| 22:12.28 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-asks-you-to-not-press-that.jpg |
| 22:13.28 | KarlKFI | :) |
| 22:13.28 | KarlKFI | see, that wasn't too hard |
| 22:13.28 | Dashkal | Did you actually read the page or did you expect *checks wording* just hope someone will have the magically correct LOL without having any idea what humour you use, what brain you're on or anything else? |
| 22:13.28 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~ |
| 22:13.29 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat shirik. |
| 22:13.29 | Shirik | ok baibai |
| 22:13.59 | KarlKFI | um |
| 22:14.03 | KarlKFI | funny. |
| 22:14.51 | KarlKFI | i'm not gonna click a link to http://icanhascheezburger.com/ that site has aids. The pictures are funny. Reading posts and comments in lolspeak makes me want to cry |
| 22:15.03 | NeoTron | kambut do you have any other ideas that are easier? |
| 22:15.10 | Dashkal | You click the lolcat links and read the comments? Wow... that's brave |
| 22:15.22 | zenzelezz | ... never read comments on any page |
| 22:15.27 | mikma | zenzelezz: coolcat |
| 22:15.42 | Dashkal | not on an ichc site you don't. there be dragons that make /. trolls look like teddy bears |
| 22:15.43 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: a good life rule, that. |
| 22:16.02 | NeoTron | I find it amazing people actually comment in lol |
| 22:16.22 | Dashkal | Much as I love ichc itself, I cannot read those comments. Just greek to me |
| 22:16.31 | KarlKFI | like i said. aids |
| 22:17.24 | Dashkal | The main page is safe enough, just don't click links (or if you do, don't read (or if you do, you get what's comming (haha))) |
| 22:18.41 | Dashkal | correction... the celeb one isn't safe... |
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| 22:51.22 | Codex| | is there a list of all purl commands somewhere? |
| 22:51.52 | NightHawkTheSane | purl might have a command to do it. ;) |
| 22:51.58 | Dashkal | Codex|: purl is an infobot. lil google work will get you most of the actual commands (many of what we use are just factoids) |
| 22:52.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~purl |
| 22:52.21 | purl | We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated |
| 22:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | that was less than useful. |
| 22:52.30 | mikma | hah |
| 22:52.43 | mikma | ~about |
| 22:52.43 | purl | http://www.infobot.org/ - /msg infobot help for a list of commands - http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html for a guide |
| 22:52.55 | NightHawkTheSane | dammit mikma, if you keep making sense, we |
| 22:52.59 | NightHawkTheSane | we'll have to have you committed. |
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| 22:54.24 | mikma | borg joke incoming |
| 22:55.07 | foxlit | Activate resistance shields! |
| 22:57.20 | mikma | ~funny |
| 22:57.21 | purl | i guess funny is http://bash.org/?865776 |
| 22:57.40 | Fisker- | ~x |
| 22:58.58 | mikma | purl: no, funny is: <reply> teehee! |
| 22:59.37 | Odlaw | says that quote doesn't exist. |
| 22:59.42 | Dashkal | mikma: s/:/,/ |
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| 22:59.51 | Dashkal | the first one |
| 23:00.00 | mikma | purl, no, funny is: <reply> teehee! |
| 23:00.09 | mikma | should be the same, really |
| 23:00.16 | mikma | always done it with : |
| 23:00.17 | foxlit | Only up to 835 |
| 23:00.22 | Dashkal | purl, no, funny is <reply> teehee! |
| 23:00.23 | purl | Dashkal: okay |
| 23:00.34 | mikma | oh right |
| 23:00.38 | mikma | another : |
| 23:01.01 | mikma | purl: no, funny is <reply> funny! teehee! |
| 23:01.01 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 23:01.17 | mikma | purl: no, funny is <reply> teehee! |
| 23:01.18 | purl | mikma: okay |
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| 23:07.21 | Shirik | I'm trying to run this app, and it says "netbios_host_name" as one of the parameters. Is that the \\mpdelbuono-lp name of the computer, or is there some server I need to run? |
| 23:07.26 | Shirik | I never understood netbios |
| 23:07.31 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@75-164-148-190.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 23:08.16 | nevcairiel | depends what kind of netbios |
| 23:08.18 | Laraul | `What program is this? |
| 23:08.27 | Shirik | It's known as fs-cifs |
| 23:08.43 | nevcairiel | so microsoft netbios, not the old novell one |
| 23:08.48 | nevcairiel | then the name should work |
| 23:08.50 | Shirik | It allows me to load my remote filesystem on my laptop into this embedded system |
| 23:08.55 | Shirik | ok, thanks |
| 23:09.09 | Laraul | You don't need an app for that |
| 23:09.18 | Shirik | I don't? |
| 23:11.20 | Laraul | I don't think so.... I know I've accessed my Windows filesystem remotely (over a WAN) just using the standard filesharing (SMB) but it's been a while |
| 23:11.32 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:11.39 | Shirik | I will point at "embedded system" and leave it at that |
| 23:11.53 | Laraul | I would rather use RDC or something |
| 23:11.58 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:12.08 | Laraul | Yeah what type of embedded system? |
| 23:12.13 | Dewin | fs-cifs is likely a FUSE loader, I'd bet ;) |
| 23:12.21 | Shirik | there is no RDC on this thing |
| 23:12.25 | Shirik | If there was I would shoot someone |
| 23:12.45 | Laraul | Why? |
| 23:12.48 | Dashkal | Shirik: Didn't samba get its footprint down quite a bit lately? |
| 23:12.54 | Shirik | because there is no good reason for it to be on there |
| 23:13.03 | Shirik | Dashkal: I doubt it's been ported to QNX, but I haven't really looked |
| 23:13.05 | Dashkal | I was under the impression that you can build _just_ the client |
| 23:13.10 | Dashkal | QNX, gotcha |
| 23:13.19 | Dashkal | sorry, I shut up now. Know nothing of that one |
| 23:13.25 | Laraul | Neither do I |
| 23:13.37 | Laraul | Sounds like another linux distrib |
| 23:13.40 | Shirik | no. |
| 23:13.41 | Dewin | QNX != linux |
| 23:13.42 | nevcairiel | why would your embeded system try to access a windows system :/ |
| 23:13.48 | nevcairiel | its just fail |
| 23:13.49 | Dewin | QNX is a RTOS |
| 23:14.01 | Dashkal | Laraul: QNX is an operating system apart from Linux, Windows, or anything else you've heard of |
| 23:14.03 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Because I'm sick of flooding my SVN server just to update the system |
| 23:14.07 | Laraul | RTOS? I know the term but forget it's meaning |
| 23:14.27 | Dewin | nev: Because pulling files off a network-mounted $huge drive > limited ROM/RAM storage? |
| 23:14.27 | nevcairiel | Real Time OS |
| 23:14.27 | Dashkal | ~wtf RTOS |
| 23:14.27 | Shirik | so instead I can just transfer until I can make sure it's correct |
| 23:14.31 | Shirik | then commit |
| 23:14.34 | Dashkal | purl needs a better TLA database |
| 23:14.41 | Dewin | RTOS is technically a FLA. |
| 23:14.42 | Shirik | FLA? :) |
| 23:14.51 | Dashkal | yes yes |
| 23:14.53 | Shirik | ~wiki RTOS |
| 23:15.32 | Laraul | You are trying to access your computer from your TiVo? |
| 23:15.47 | Shirik | .... what? |
| 23:15.57 | Shirik | How did tivo come in to this? |
| 23:16.19 | Laraul | Er just popped into my mind... fits the above very well |
| 23:17.11 | Shirik | I keep getting this strange error from fs-cifs though; I'll just go back to flooding the SVN server |
| 23:17.13 | Shirik | can't be that bad |
| 23:17.23 | Dewin | What sort of error Shirik? |
| 23:17.34 | Shirik | um |
| 23:17.46 | Dewin | Also, quick google shows http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/qnx_4.25_docs/qnx4/utils/s/smbfsys.html |
| 23:18.18 | Shirik | I'm on 6.4.0 unfortunately |
| 23:18.25 | Shirik | I tried that command, not found |
| 23:18.51 | |Jelly| | Would 489.94 defense round up to 490? |
| 23:18.58 | Shirik | no :P |
| 23:19.06 | Dewin | what about mount_smb? |
| 23:19.13 | Dewin | or just mount -t smb |
| 23:19.24 | |Jelly| | Are you sure, Shirik? Don't make me kill j00. :P |
| 23:19.47 | Shirik | error mount: Possible reason: Invalid argument |
| 23:20.39 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 23:20.43 | Shirik | I found out why fs-cifs was giving me that error |
| 23:20.52 | Shirik | I gave it my IP address of 155.331.170.73 |
| 23:21.09 | Dewin | well, there's more arguments than that obviously, but I'm not going to pretend to know anything about QNX or assume you have support for smb compiled in :) |
| 23:21.11 | Shirik | fixed when I corrected it to 31 |
| 23:21.20 | Shirik | oh I gave it the right parameters Dewin :) |
| 23:21.25 | Shirik | I assume that means "wtf is smb" |
| 23:23.00 | Dewin | oh, I know what smb is |
| 23:23.27 | Shirik | no, I mean |
| 23:23.31 | Shirik | The error I think it meant "wtf is smb" |
| 23:23.40 | Dewin | oh ;) |
| 23:24.07 | Dewin | bah. I miss NoteTab's open file list, haven't found an equivalent feature for it in Notepad++ yet. |
| 23:24.15 | Shirik | Kate :) |
| 23:25.36 | Dewin | wonder how hard it'd be to write a notepad++ plugin for it |
| 23:25.38 | Shirik | I need more pretzles |
| 23:25.40 | Shirik | pretzels |
| 23:25.53 | Dewin | Tabs are nice, but when you have 50 documents open a vertical list makes a lot more sense |
| 23:26.03 | Shirik | Oh, here's a song I haven't heard in a while! |
| 23:26.07 | Dashkal | I'd love to see the Notepad++ shell ported back to *nix... The default shell for that text component is just too painful to use |
| 23:26.13 | Shirik | "It's all been done before" - Barenaked Ladies |
| 23:26.40 | Shirik | the only think keeping me sane |
| 23:27.01 | Dewin | jit's all been done<enter> |
| 23:27.04 | Dewin | ahh... yes... good |
| 23:27.32 | Dashkal | wtb US proxy with decent bandwidth so I can have my pandora back :( |
| 23:27.34 | Shirik | Have you ever gotten a bug, figured out what function is causing it, and then looked at the code for that function and gone "wtf am I smoking?" |
| 23:27.49 | Dewin | Shirik: More often than I'd like |
| 23:27.56 | Dashkal | yesterday... |
| 23:28.02 | Shirik | I just had it happen right now |
| 23:28.05 | Shirik | and it's really bad |
| 23:28.46 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/100939-4a45 not even CLOSE |
| 23:29.00 | Shirik | firstly, it only goes 2 deep, and even then it doesn't do it right |
| 23:29.13 | Dewin | Interesting dependency solver. |
| 23:29.36 | Dewin | I wrote one in PHP if you want something to base off of, but it's ugly as hell. |
| 23:29.41 | Dewin | works flawlessly though ;) |
| 23:29.57 | Dewin | I'm using it to create a huuuge database schema yet still be able to break it up into multiple files |
| 23:30.07 | Dewin | So I can say what files depend on what other files. |
| 23:30.13 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: notepad++ has a shell? |
| 23:30.27 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: I meant shell as in the application around the actual text component |
| 23:30.28 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: does npp_exec count? |
| 23:30.37 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 23:30.55 | nevcairiel | oh scintilla, well *nix has some other nice stuff too |
| 23:30.55 | Dewin | since npp_exec is basically a notepad++ shell too. |
| 23:30.56 | Dashkal | the component is very nice. SCiTE... not so much |
| 23:31.12 | Arrowmaster | meh i like SciTE |
| 23:31.24 | nevcairiel | scite looks and feels so old |
| 23:31.26 | Dashkal | I just dislike editing text files to configure a GUI app |
| 23:31.30 | nevcairiel | stupid GTK |
| 23:31.31 | Arrowmaster | although ive been meaning to switch over to gVIM but im still trying to customize it more |
| 23:31.38 | Dashkal | A proper options dialog would probably fix most of my issues with it |
| 23:31.59 | Arrowmaster | proper options dialogs are hard when youve got as much configuration control as scite does |
| 23:32.07 | Dewin | I liked SciTE for all of the 30 minutes it took me how to make Notepad++ handle the lua component ;0 |
| 23:32.33 | Arrowmaster | notepad++ doesnt handle some of the stuff scite does |
| 23:32.49 | Arrowmaster | wtb proper textmate for non mac |
| 23:33.12 | Dewin | Like what, arrowmaster? |
| 23:33.14 | foxlit | SciTE did some very weird stuff with the line number cursor, annoyed me :/ |
| 23:33.33 | Arrowmaster | like i dont think notepad++ lets you use per dir configs |
| 23:33.37 | Shirik | nah Dewin I just wrote up a much better algorithm on the whiteboard :) |
| 23:33.40 | Shirik | now to put it into code |
| 23:33.46 | Dewin | Shirik: Ahh. |
| 23:33.50 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: this is true in that it would be hard, but even a basic table options UI would work |
| 23:33.51 | Dewin | I'm quite happy with mine actually. |
| 23:33.59 | foxlit | It's in PHP. |
| 23:34.00 | Shirik | I'm pretty happy with this too, take a look at it |
| 23:34.04 | foxlit | How could you be happy with it? :) |
| 23:34.09 | Shirik | (is pseudocode right now though) |
| 23:34.10 | Dashkal | a place for some reasonable internal documentation. |
| 23:34.31 | Arrowmaster | i have a SciTEDirectory.properties file in my WoW directory that customizes the lua config whenever i open a lua file in my wow directory |
| 23:34.41 | Lyn | now the funny part starts: update xp from unpatched version to sp3 |
| 23:34.49 | Lyn | :o |
| 23:34.51 | Dewin | foxlit: While PHP has some brokenness as a language, it's not too bad if you know what you're doing :) |
| 23:35.13 | foxlit | No, it's just $$ugly. |
| 23:35.20 | Dewin | Granted, my code is 342 lines long but could be simplified some. |
| 23:35.41 | Dewin | since it has to parse dependencies in addition to solving them |
| 23:36.39 | Dewin | It does have the benefit of being non-recursive |
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| 23:37.09 | foxlit | You mean you just don't use the call stack. |
| 23:37.33 | Shirik | New algorithm (pseudocode) http://wowi.pastey.net/100941 |
| 23:37.49 | Dewin | http://wowi.pastey.net/100942 |
| 23:38.08 | Dewin | foxlit: That's mostly what I mean, yes. |
| 23:38.19 | Dewin | I maintain work queues instead |
| 23:39.19 | foxlit | Shirik: lines 4 to 9: why? |
| 23:39.39 | Shirik | to iterate over all modules to detect dependencies? |
| 23:39.49 | foxlit | And do absolutely nothing about them? |
| 23:39.54 | Shirik | pos = j |
| 23:39.57 | Shirik | oh oops |
| 23:40.03 | Shirik | supposed to say insertAfter(pos, moduleList[i]) |
| 23:40.30 | Shirik | This is why code review is important in the development process |
| 23:41.02 | Anaral | What addon displays your loot rolls in a green outlined box in the middle of your screen? |
| 23:42.32 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNc90Vjbj0Y |
| 23:43.09 | foxlit | ^^ Hilarious, but I suppose the prerequisite is that you're in a scandinavian country that isn't Norway. |
| 23:45.44 | mikma | foxlit: no, prerequisite is you understand wtf they are singing =D |
| 23:47.15 | foxlit | I'm sure you know the song :) |
| 23:48.24 | Dewin | My wife absolutely loves Lion King. |
| 23:48.29 | mikma | sure, theres also the finnish version linked in the list on right |
| 23:48.42 | Dewin | I took her to see it at an IMAX theater on New Year's Eve a few years back. |
| 23:48.53 | foxlit | Any good? |
| 23:49.05 | foxlit | (the IMAX version) |
| 23:49.28 | Dewin | I don't recall it being substantially different from the original, besides the imaxification |
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| 23:51.03 | Shirik | ~dict imaxification |
| 23:52.19 | mikma | purl: imaxification is almost same than iTunesfication |
| 23:52.20 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 23:53.27 | Dewin | No, that'd be iMax. |
| 23:53.33 | Codex| | purl: codex| is almost as cool as super mega awesome |
| 23:53.34 | purl | Codex|: okay |
| 23:53.35 | Dewin | or.. *shudder* iMacs. |
| 23:53.38 | Codex| | ~dict codex| |
| 23:53.48 | Dewin | ~codex| |
| 23:53.49 | purl | hmm... codex| is almost as cool as super mega awesome |
| 23:54.06 | Codex| | haha! |
| 23:54.29 | NightHawkTheSane | that was almost english, too. |
| 23:55.02 | Dewin | but Codex is Felicia Day from The Guild, and I think you are an imposter. |
| 23:55.28 | NightHawkTheSane | and probably not has hot as felicia day |
| 23:56.35 | foxlit | ~the guild |
| 23:56.36 | purl | A fully 3d-rendered/raytraced first-person interactive adventure. URL: http://theguild.linuxgames.com/ |
| 23:56.42 | Dewin | ... fail. |
| 23:56.53 | Dewin | http://watchtheguild.com/ |
| 23:57.01 | foxlit | damn you, purl. |
| 23:57.08 | foxlit | Link: "Fable II Review - Molyneux and crew have delivered the ambitious sequel to their action RPG, but how does this one compare to the hype?" |
| 23:57.15 | mikma | purl: diaf |
| 23:57.17 | purl | ACTION refuses to die! |
| 23:57.21 | foxlit | Just reminding me that I'm going to have to wait for the pc version of that :/ |
| 23:57.29 | Dewin | mikma, you did it wrong |
| 23:57.31 | Dewin | purl: diaf() |
| 23:57.48 | Dewin | foxlit: I wonder if it'll support controllers this time around. |
| 23:57.53 | foxlit | Meh |
| 23:58.02 | foxlit | I had no problem with TLC's control system |
| 23:58.03 | Dewin | *took Fable 1.5 for PC for one of his MS Playtest gratuities and was dismayed at the lack of controller support* |
| 23:58.29 | Dewin | yay for them overbooking playtests so I get free stuff and didn't even have to do the work ;) |
| 23:58.31 | foxlit | Probably prefer PC-style controls to controllers, too. |
| 23:58.50 | Dewin | for Fable, I didn't |
| 23:59.15 | foxlit | I can't even remember what it was. LMB/RMB to swing/cast? |
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| 23:59.49 | Dewin | I don't know. I installed it and deinstalled it within the span of ~30 minutes |
| 23:59.51 | foxlit | Camera steered by mouse, and wasd to move. |
