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| 00:00.36 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_110208_015944.jpg <- i has hud :) |
| 00:00.37 | Shirik | Tell me it's real, this feeling that we feel |
| 00:00.51 | mikma | shirik: it's real |
| 00:01.03 | Shirik | tell me that it's real; don't let love come just to pass us byt |
| 00:01.17 | Shirik | try! It's all we have to do -- it's up to me and you to make this special love last forever more |
| 00:01.46 | zenzelezz | I was going to ask "George Harrison", but I can't match those last two lines |
| 00:01.54 | Shirik | K-Ci & JoJo |
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| 00:04.27 | Shirik | I see you are using the Korn shell. Some older, exotic systems blow up when running configure on ksh. Try using the Bourne shell instead. Let's see what happens... |
| 00:04.33 | Shirik | Here's an idea: USE AUTOCONF LIKE EVERYONE ELSE |
| 00:05.31 | Shirik | Wtf? One of the lines says "The star should be here-->*" |
| 00:06.23 | AbsoRayne | zenzelezz: I just wish he would drop this lootwhore shit hes got going on. |
| 00:06.53 | nevcairiel | people really use ksh these days? |
| 00:07.02 | nevcairiel | i though pretty much everyone was on bash :P |
| 00:07.21 | AbsoRayne | Yeah, its cool that you played your priest for the guild to keep them going in raids. I respect that, ive done the same with my warrior. However, I have not gimped a raid by coming on my lock since then to take all the caster loot for myself, just because 'its the right thing to do.' |
| 00:07.23 | kd3 | the hell? someone not using bash? |
| 00:07.36 | Shirik | QNX doesn't come with bash |
| 00:07.41 | AbsoRayne | Theres still people that need the loot more than him, but yet hes taking it from them like 'hai im the GM'. |
| 00:08.00 | Shirik | I'm trying to compile it, but in order to do that, I need to modify the autoconf script, which means I need to compile autoconf, which means I need to compile M4, which means I need to compile perl |
| 00:08.07 | Shirik | this is a mess |
| 00:08.16 | Shirik | I really like this configure script though |
| 00:08.22 | mikma | absorayne: /gquit |
| 00:08.33 | Shirik | "Hmm... Looks kind of like a BSD system, but we'll see..." "Congratulations. You aren't running Eunice." |
| 00:08.42 | mikma | i've once witnessed a GuildMaster like that |
| 00:08.46 | AbsoRayne | mikma: Im quitting once expansion hits, til then I want to continue raiding. :/ |
| 00:08.49 | kd3 | whee, more sayonara zetsubou sensei |
| 00:08.53 | zenzelezz | AbsoRayne: some guy left the guild I joined recently because he felt he didn't get enough loot, now everyone's making jokes about him. Every raid will see someone spamming "I need that, I'm a druid!!!" |
| 00:08.57 | mikma | "this legendary part 1/2 is going to my friend" |
| 00:09.09 | mikma | and 1 week from the part 1 his friend migrated to another server |
| 00:09.31 | Industrial | lol. |
| 00:09.59 | AbsoRayne | zenzelezz: I actually got chewed out by another tank for winning my T6 in an open roll |
| 00:10.01 | AbsoRayne | :/ |
| 00:10.20 | zenzelezz | sounds like a guild with issues |
| 00:11.27 | mikma | [02:11:13] [Kamyla] invited you to a group, but you could not accept because you are already in a group. |
| 00:11.33 | mikma | never seen that message before |
| 00:11.40 | zenzelezz | 3.0 feature I believe |
| 00:11.40 | Shirik | oh that's nice |
| 00:12.08 | zenzelezz | so now you can see when people spam-invite you when they're waiting for you to leave a group |
| 00:12.13 | zenzelezz | "DAMNIT; I SAID WAIT A MINUTE" |
| 00:16.34 | Shirik | "Checking to see how your cpp does stuff like concatenate tokens..." "Oh! Smells like ANSI's been here. We can catify or stringify, separately or together!" |
| 00:16.55 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 00:17.47 | zenzelezz | what are you trying to compile? |
| 00:18.07 | Shirik | perl |
| 00:20.24 | mikma | so....... |
| 00:20.30 | mikma | wanna guess does this hurt? http://kuvaton.com/bshit/pole_step_fail.gif |
| 00:21.39 | nevcairiel | haha so fail |
| 00:22.11 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/huntercat.jpg |
| 00:22.21 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:22.45 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/backflips_fail.gif |
| 00:22.48 | mikma | oh damn |
| 00:23.03 | mikma | need for speed rules in some occasions |
| 00:24.03 | |pez| | :D http://cdn1.ustream.tv/swf/4/viewer.45.swf?cid=317016 |
| 00:25.05 | nevcairiel | live puppies |
| 00:25.15 | |pez| | smeeping ones |
| 00:25.30 | |pez| | which occasionally get up, walk all over the other puppies, and go back to sleep where it started. |
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| 00:31.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:31.39 | Shirik | make: *** segmentation violation (core dumped) |
| 00:31.41 | Shirik | that can't be good |
| 00:32.00 | zenzelezz | TAINTED CORE DUMP TO SHIRIK |
| 00:32.17 | Tekkub | I should tame a core hound and name him Dump |
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| 00:41.49 | |Jelly| | Is there an addon that will look over your ignore list and warn you if you're in a group with someone that's ignored? |
| 00:42.49 | Nechckn | lol... not sure, but is that so you can drop the group or remove them from ignore? ;-) |
| 00:42.59 | |Jelly| | Either or |
| 00:43.17 | |Jelly| | Would be nice if it had a popup that asked you what you wanted to do. :P |
| 00:46.35 | Kaso | im sure ive heard of someone doing somthing like that |
| 00:46.44 | Kaso | It's quite trivial |
| 00:47.45 | Mike-N-Go | I have a question. |
| 00:47.47 | Mike-N-Go | !lua do local sString = "he wts " local sPat = "[^%a?]wt[bst][^%a?]" print(string.find(sString, "("..sPat..")")) end |
| 00:47.47 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: 3 7 wts |
| 00:47.53 | Mike-N-Go | !lua do local sString = "he wts" local sPat = "[^%a?]wt[bst][^%a?]" print(string.find(sString, "("..sPat..")")) end |
| 00:47.54 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: nil |
| 00:48.23 | Mike-N-Go | How do I match for anything but another letter? The above is my attempts. |
| 00:48.34 | Mike-N-Go | The problem is if it is at the end of start of the string. |
| 00:50.09 | Mike-N-Go | Do you understand what I am trying to do? |
| 00:51.04 | Mike-N-Go | I m looking for the pattern that means: another letter or the start/end (respectively) of the string. |
| 00:51.51 | Gnarfoz | http://mediencenter.n24.de/index.php?deepLink=screen/startScreen/video/274928 <-- check out the laptop screen from about 0:59 to 0:50 (yes, it's a time remaining counter), ignore the german audio if you can't understand it. (it's about Volkswagen's insane market value explosion this last week) |
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| 00:53.50 | Mike-N-Go | Between the manual and testing snippets in command-line lua, I am yet to figure this out. |
| 00:53.53 | Stanzilla | I could spoiler that, Gnarfoz :P |
| 00:55.27 | Xinhuan | Mike-N-Go |
| 00:55.40 | Mike-N-Go | Xinhuan: Yes? |
| 00:56.00 | Xinhuan | what did u want again |
| 00:56.05 | Xinhuan | to match |
| 00:57.49 | Mike-N-Go | I am looking for a pattern that would match, say "wst" and " wts" .. and not "olwts" for example. |
| 00:58.07 | Xinhuan | wst? |
| 00:58.17 | Mike-N-Go | example string. |
| 00:58.26 | Mike-N-Go | "wts" rather. |
| 00:58.31 | Mike-N-Go | mistype |
| 00:58.50 | Xinhuan | [^%a]?wt[bst] |
| 00:59.47 | Mike-N-Go | !lua do local sString = "hewtss" local sPat = "[^%a]?wt[bst]" print(string.find(sString, "("..sPat..")")) end |
| 00:59.47 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: 3 5 wts |
| 01:00.20 | Mike-N-Go | That is not what I am looking for. |
| 01:00.25 | Xinhuan | ah i see what you want now |
| 01:00.40 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: %sw[ts][ts]%s ? |
| 01:00.50 | Shirik | eh, better yet |
| 01:01.22 | Xinhuan | try %swt[bst] |
| 01:01.24 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: [^%a]?w%f[ts]%f[ts][^%a] ? |
| 01:01.35 | Shirik | Xinhuan, that's not what he's looking for |
| 01:01.56 | Mike-N-Go | Basically, I it to not return true if the string is connected to another character, but the problem I have is if it is the start/end of a string. |
| 01:02.02 | Shirik | lua> string.match("wst", "[^%a]?w%f[ts]%f[ts][^%a]?") |
| 01:02.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: w |
| 01:02.05 | Shirik | oops |
| 01:02.10 | Shirik | lua> string.match("wst", "[^%a]?(w%f[ts]%f[ts])[^%a]?") |
| 01:02.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: w |
| 01:02.13 | Xinhuan | he wants to match wtb wts wtt |
| 01:02.16 | Xinhuan | wst was a typo |
| 01:02.17 | Shirik | no |
| 01:02.51 | Shirik | hm, ok |
| 01:02.55 | Shirik | I liked mine better |
| 01:02.57 | Shirik | wts or wst |
| 01:03.01 | Shirik | but not wtt or wss |
| 01:03.37 | Xinhuan | i think you need separate string.match for start/end of line cases heh |
| 01:03.48 | Mike-N-Go | "wt[bst]" is what I am looking for as an example; I mistyped earler. |
| 01:04.00 | Shirik | lua> string.match("wst", "[^%a]?(w%f[ts].%f[ts].)[^%a]?") |
| 01:04.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 01:04.03 | Shirik | BLAH! |
| 01:04.09 | Mike-N-Go | Xinhuan: Awh, but that means I have to treat each entry like.. 3 times? |
| 01:04.21 | Industrial | hitratingFAIL :( http://be.imba.hu/?zone=EU&realm=Vashj&character=Xamth |
| 01:04.38 | Mike-N-Go | I am working on a trade filter; if an element of the string does not match an element in the keep string table, then it is hidden. |
| 01:05.11 | Xinhuan | well you can't use "start of line" indicator ^ inside a character class |
| 01:05.33 | Xinhuan | that's why you need separate matches for them |
| 01:05.41 | Mike-N-Go | I hate trade spam, yet want to try to keep what could be trading (IE: wtb/wts/wtt etc) shown, and anything that does not match hidden. |
| 01:05.43 | Xinhuan | same for endofline $ |
| 01:06.23 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, I asked because I wanted to see if it could be done with one line per match. |
| 01:06.29 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for the help. |
| 01:08.22 | Shirik | what's the problem? |
| 01:08.25 | Shirik | I don't get it :/ |
| 01:09.01 | Shirik | %f[%a]wt[bst]%f[%a] |
| 01:09.04 | Shirik | does that work? |
| 01:09.16 | Shirik | lua> string.match("wts", "%f[%a]wt[bst]%f[%a]") |
| 01:09.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 01:09.24 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:09.33 | Shirik | lua> string.match(" wts ", "%f[%a]wt[bst]%f[%a]") |
| 01:09.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 01:10.04 | foxlit | in other words, quit using undocumented patterns :) |
| 01:10.27 | Shirik | Oh |
| 01:10.30 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: Does this work for you? |
| 01:10.39 | Shirik | lua> string.match("wts", "%f[%a]wt[bst]%f[%A]") |
| 01:10.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: wts |
| 01:11.12 | Shirik | foxlit: Undocumented patterns are there to be cherished |
| 01:11.27 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: That should solve your problem; that's what that pattern was designed for |
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| 01:12.40 | Shirik | also, ~lart Xinhuan |
| 01:13.43 | foxlit | Or you could just prefix the string with a space |
| 01:13.52 | foxlit | and capture " wt[whatever]" |
| 01:13.55 | Shirik | that would work too :) And postfix it |
| 01:14.06 | Mike-N-Go | Or another simple solution: I can make a function that ads a pattern match if the input string is a the beginning (^), end ($), or not part of another letter group ([^%a]). |
| 01:14.31 | Shirik | how can you know that before an initial test, Mike-N-Go? |
| 01:14.42 | Mike-N-Go | And then put those elements into a table. |
| 01:14.50 | Shirik | also, [^%a] == [%A] (easier to type) |
| 01:14.56 | Shirik | imo |
| 01:15.02 | Shirik | just fyi |
| 01:15.14 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: What are you asking? |
| 01:15.28 | Shirik | Maybe I misunderstand your solution |
| 01:15.31 | foxlit | Also, [%A] == %A :) |
| 01:15.38 | Shirik | eh, yeah |
| 01:15.58 | Shirik | I've been writing [%A] due to that frontier pattern :( |
| 01:16.16 | Mike-N-Go | What does %f mean? |
| 01:16.21 | Shirik | frontier pattern |
| 01:16.35 | Shirik | It checks for a transition from "Out of set" to "In set" |
| 01:16.48 | Shirik | so... you specify a set, like %f[%a] |
| 01:17.36 | Shirik | That means it needs to go from "not letters" to "letters" |
| 01:17.46 | Shirik | The beginning of a string counts as "not letters" |
| 01:18.34 | Shirik | so "%f[%a]foo%f[%A]" basically checks to ensure foo is the whole word. Before it must come something that is not a letter (which includes nothing) |
| 01:18.46 | Shirik | as well as after it |
| 01:19.35 | Shirik | However as foxlit pointed out, it IS undocumented, so it can disappear at any time |
| 01:19.51 | Shirik | but I think there's more likelyhood of Blizzard functions changing than the %f pattern, imho |
| 01:20.43 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: How did you come to learn about this '%f' 9.9 |
| 01:20.54 | Shirik | Hanging around #lua |
| 01:21.03 | Shirik | there's a pretty good page on it somewhere |
| 01:21.13 | Shirik | !g lua frontier pattern |
| 01:21.14 | batbot | Shirik: lua-users wiki: Frontier Pattern <http://lua-users.org/wiki/FrontierPattern> |
| 01:21.16 | Shirik | that's it |
| 01:22.38 | Mike-N-Go | Undocumented ftw. |
| 01:24.04 | Mike-N-Go | What does the upercase/lower case in your pattern mean, Shirik ? |
| 01:24.22 | Shirik | you mean the difference between %f[%a] and %f[%A] ? |
| 01:24.33 | Mike-N-Go | Yah. |
| 01:24.45 | Shirik | %a is all letters, %A is everything that is not a letter |
| 01:24.54 | Shirik | the capitalized one is always the inverse of the lowercase |
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| 01:25.58 | |Jelly| | Why do people think 3% is a lot? |
| 01:26.05 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, negation. What is the difference between [^%a] and %A, then? |
| 01:26.22 | Shirik | no difference |
| 01:26.25 | Shirik | %A is just easier to type |
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| 01:31.20 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks. That is exactly what I wanted 8) |
| 01:38.16 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Stole the spec. Works much better. Just kinda wanted to see how the 51pt holy spell worked but meh. |
| 01:38.30 | Shirik | It's a very nice spell |Jelly| |
| 01:38.37 | Shirik | but I can't afford it until I get a few more levels |
| 01:38.41 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 01:38.53 | |Jelly| | Went from 86mp5 to 229mp5 |
| 01:42.46 | Industrial | http://be.imba.hu/?zone=EU&realm=Vashj&character=Xamth |
| 01:42.52 | Industrial | man, i desperately need more hit |
| 01:43.01 | |Yssaril| | what is the recomened way to hand the following senario. 2 things that i need to check in an onupdate function for but sometimes i want to check for just one both or neither. would it be best to simply check for both and have a flag if you really want to check them or have 3 different functions that you can assign to the onupdate and change between them depending on what you want or simply make 2 |
| 01:43.20 | |Yssaril| | frames with an on update in each? |
| 01:44.49 | mikma | hard question deserves a hard answer. yes! |
| 01:44.52 | Syzgyn | um |
| 01:45.01 | Syzgyn | what are the two things you're checking? |
| 01:45.09 | Shirik | Wow, there's a new one |
| 01:45.13 | Shirik | Memory fault (core dumped) |
| 01:45.15 | Shirik | what is that o.o |
| 01:45.27 | Syzgyn | Your computer has Alzhimers |
| 01:45.32 | mikma | heh |
| 01:45.32 | Yssaril | Syzgyn: IsFlying() and GetUnitSpeed |
| 01:45.58 | mikma | aint there an event for flying |
| 01:45.58 | Yssaril | want to make my onupdate as effecient as possible |
| 01:46.14 | Syzgyn | I think it'd be more overhead checking if you want both than just getting both. |
| 01:46.23 | Yssaril | mikma: none that i can find unless devtools doesnt cover it |
| 01:46.56 | Syzgyn | Theres probably an event that fires when you mount,but it'd be tough to determine if you were flying at the time. |
| 01:47.27 | Yssaril | Syzgyn: mounting is easy :) jsut check for the spell cast or the aura :) |
| 01:48.31 | Yssaril | but havent found an event for IsFlying or GetUnitSpeed yet (i use GetUnitSpeed to check if i am moving) |
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| 01:50.31 | mikma | most likely need to check buff-event and go through buffs to detect mounting |
| 01:51.06 | Yssaril | mikma: yea the mounting part i have covered its the other 2 i am worried about |
| 01:51.49 | mikma | sorry but sont understand the problem then =8 |
| 01:52.58 | Yssaril | mikma: i am trying to figure out the most effeciant way of checking for up to 2 conditions where sometimes you want to check both sometimes only one and sometimes none and you have to check both of them via onupdate |
| 01:55.24 | mikma | if (isflying() or getunitspeed(() then ? |
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| 01:58.27 | Shirik | ok, my nightmare for tonight is over |
| 01:58.29 | Shirik | time for lan party |
| 01:58.30 | Shirik | byes! |
| 01:58.36 | Cairenn | has fun! |
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| 02:01.52 | Shaone | Frame:GetTextWidth() is only available to buttons? :( |
| 02:02.19 | Kaso | yes |
| 02:03.51 | Shaone | If I want to get the width of a string, should I just set it to a hidden button and get it that way? |
| 02:04.52 | mikma | usually the farem you dock text has width set |
| 02:05.06 | mikma | s/farem/frame/ |
| 02:10.52 | mikma | aw |
| 02:11.21 | Mike-N-Go | Shaone: Frame:GetText()? |
| 02:11.44 | Mike-N-Go | Then run string.len()? |
| 02:11.59 | Mike-N-Go | Is that what you want? |
| 02:12.06 | Shaone | Naw, I need the width in pixels |
| 02:12.45 | Shaone | To adjust its border frame width when the text changes |
| 02:13.05 | Shirik | um |
| 02:13.16 | Shirik | what you are asking for is (a) not implemented and (b) not easy to calculate |
| 02:13.25 | Shirik | I think if you're asking this question then you're doing it wrong |
| 02:14.03 | Shaone | I have a frame with a backdrop/border and text within that frame, I want to expand and shrink the size of that frame based on the text in it. |
| 02:14.52 | Shirik | (22:01:47) (Shaone) Frame:GetTextWidth() is only available to buttons? :( |
| 02:14.55 | Shirik | What's wrong with this? |
| 02:15.46 | Shirik | why can't you use a button, ex. |
| 02:17.55 | Shaone | Well the containing frame will have a few strings of text, on different lines with different indents |
| 02:18.21 | Mike-N-Go | Meh. Only cosmetics :) |
| 02:18.35 | Mike-N-Go | Who cares if the text is unreadable.. oh, right. |
| 02:18.59 | Shaone | I could have a hidden button frame just to calculate the width of the font strings, but not sure if that's the "right" way to do it |
| 02:19.14 | Shaone | text strings* |
| 02:27.47 | Xinhuan | fontstrings doesn't have GetTextWidth()? |
| 02:28.06 | Shaone | They don't appear to, no |
| 02:28.23 | Xinhuan | if so, you can just create a unused fontstring somewhere, make sure you don't SetWidth/height on it |
| 02:28.34 | Xinhuan | when you SetText it, you can get its width using GetWidth() |
| 02:28.43 | Xinhuan | as a workaround |
| 02:28.45 | Shaone | Hmm this is lame, GetTextWidth() is just the width of the button, not the text within it |
| 02:28.58 | Xinhuan | try my method ;p |
| 02:29.28 | Shaone | Ooo that worked |
| 02:29.31 | Shaone | :D |
| 02:29.58 | Shaone | Excellent, thanks mate |
| 02:30.04 | Xinhuan | a fontstring's width/height is "fluid" until you set them |
| 02:30.17 | Xinhuan | they can't be unset |
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| 03:05.58 | linear` | is there |
| 03:06.00 | linear` | some bind saving mod |
| 03:06.04 | linear` | like actionbarsaver |
| 03:06.06 | linear` | cept for binds |
| 03:12.58 | AbsoRayne | need a quick DogTag |
| 03:13.21 | AbsoRayne | Highlights a persons name if theyre Dead |
| 03:19.02 | Kaso | I think randall has gone insane over the past few days |
| 03:20.23 | Shaone | In terms of performance, should I hide frames with their alpha set to 0? Or does it not matter? |
| 03:22.34 | linear` | doubt it matters |
| 03:22.39 | Shaone | I've got a few frames I'm fading in and out on occasion, just wondering if I should Hide() them when they are invisible |
| 03:23.08 | Kaso | It seems that hiding would be the "correct" course of action if the frame is going to be invisible for a notable period of time |
| 03:23.31 | Kaso | Test it out, see if there's any noticeable difference |
| 03:23.37 | Shaone | I assume hidden frames don't receive keyboard/mouse input, while shown ones with alpha 0 do? |
| 03:24.04 | Tekkub | yes |
| 03:24.13 | Shaone | Mmk |
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| 03:43.38 | Tem | AbsoRayne, 2 things |
| 03:43.47 | AbsoRayne | Hrm? |
| 03:43.49 | Tem | 1) Props for using "they're" |
| 03:43.55 | Tem | I fucking hate it when people get it wrong |
| 03:44.01 | Tem | 2) EWWWWWWW @ dogtag |
| 03:44.32 | Shaone | Tem: I share your passion for the misuse of they're/their/there! |
| 03:44.47 | Tem | your/you're is the worst lately |
| 03:44.51 | Shaone | I've been tempted many times to make a site just to link people to when they screw it up :( |
| 03:44.54 | Tem | not a single person in my guild gets ir write |
| 03:44.57 | Tem | ... |
| 03:45.02 | Tem | right* |
| 03:45.08 | Shaone | Haha |
| 03:45.19 | Tem | brb, going to stab my fingers |
| 03:46.16 | AbsoRayne | ugh |
| 03:46.17 | AbsoRayne | shit |
| 03:46.31 | AbsoRayne | We downed IC, but my GM wants to try Illy with one FR tank -_- |
| 03:46.32 | Tem | Anyone familliar with Octave? |
| 03:46.48 | Tem | AbsoRayne, your GM is fucking dumb |
| 03:46.58 | Shaone | Don't bother AbsoRayne |
| 03:47.00 | Tem | that fight is trivial now with the exception of phase 2 |
| 03:47.07 | Tem | your FR tanks make or break you |
| 03:47.11 | Shaone | Yep |
| 03:47.19 | Tem | it's the hardest part of the encounter |
| 03:47.40 | Shaone | One of the lower end guilds on my server cleared BT up to Illidan after the patch, but couldn't kill him because they didn't have FR tanks. |
| 03:47.41 | Tem | expect to wipe until your FR tanks learn to balance killing themselves in the fire and not killing themselves in the other fire |
| 03:47.44 | Shirik | It is physically impossible to do it with 1 FR tank.. |
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| 03:47.51 | Shirik | oops |
| 03:47.54 | Tem | agreed |
| 03:48.19 | AbsoRayne | Oh nm, aparently I do have two FR tanks |
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| 03:48.30 | Tem | Anyone familliar with Octave? It won't let me have more than 5 significant figures |
| 03:48.33 | Corrodias | a mage with fire shield does not count |
| 03:49.22 | Corrodias | so they made the raids easier? that means people can see some more content before Wrath comes out, i suppose |
| 03:50.11 | Tem | okay, I am aboggle |
| 03:50.23 | Tem | I'm doing something silly |
| 03:50.38 | Tem | and it's screwing up my graph |
| 03:50.48 | Tem | I'm showing linear increase in avoidance |
| 03:50.53 | Tem | even with the DR formula |
| 03:51.45 | Tem | ah, I have the wrong constants |
| 03:51.47 | Tem | that'd do it |
| 03:51.49 | Tem | well |
| 03:51.51 | Tem | it shouldn't |
| 03:51.55 | Tem | I'm still doing something wrong |
| 03:53.03 | Tem | there we go |
| 03:58.50 | Tem | Oh wow |
| 03:58.58 | Tem | this result is not what I expected |
| 03:59.31 | Tem | So, I'm plotting TTL with respect to Avoidance (after DR) |
| 03:59.53 | Tem | I was kind of hoping that it would be linear |
| 03:59.59 | Tem | (like armor) |
| 04:01.01 | Tem | but it definitely diminishes |
| 04:01.29 | Tem | hmm, I wonder how the slope here relates to the armor increase |
| 04:02.13 | Tem | Basically, I think I can now come up with a point where in pure theory land, avoidance is better than mitigation until a point |
| 04:02.43 | Tem | when an increase in avoidance is a larger increase in your TTL than the increase granted by an "equal" amount of armor |
| 04:02.59 | Tem | until the max of the derivative of this curve |
| 04:03.00 | Corrodias | avoidance can reach 100%, barring special abilities that always hit |
| 04:03.17 | Tem | there's a new forumla |
| 04:03.21 | Tem | there's DR on avoidance |
| 04:03.22 | Corrodias | oh. never mind. |
| 04:03.24 | Corrodias | i know nothing now |
| 04:03.35 | Corrodias | :( |
| 04:04.13 | Tem | (doesn't apply to abilities that grant static avoidance, like evasion or Lichborn. It only applies to Avoidance from stats (dodge rating + agi) ect) |
| 04:04.26 | Tem | each stat is dimished seperately |
| 04:04.58 | Tem | so you can still get to 100% avoidance |
| 04:05.49 | Tem | but increasing your avoidance beyond this theoretical point would increase your TTL less than increasing your armor instead |
| 04:10.44 | cog|away | ~poke tem |
| 04:10.44 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind tem, pokes tem repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:10.52 | Tem | cog|away, yes? |
| 04:11.06 | cog|away | nothing... just ~poke ... |
| 04:11.09 | Tem | didn't like my brain dump? |
| 04:11.10 | cog|away | ^_^ |
| 04:11.23 | Tem | -_- |
| 04:11.40 | cog|away | not like anything else was going on |
| 04:12.06 | Gnarfoz | is there any consolidated reference about this new DR for avoidance stuff? |
| 04:12.24 | Tem | Gnarfoz, not that I've been able to find |
| 04:12.27 | Gnarfoz | like, what the hell does that even mean :D |
| 04:12.31 | Tem | which is why I've been doing the math this afternoon |
| 04:12.48 | Gnarfoz | the only DR's I'm aware of right now are the CC ones in pvp :\ |
| 04:12.54 | Tem | well |
| 04:13.03 | Gnarfoz | and I'm somehow mentally incapable of applying the same concept to avoidance |
| 04:13.13 | Gnarfoz | it just doesn't fit, so it must be something else :D |
| 04:13.21 | Tem | 1/x' = 1/c + k/x |
| 04:13.31 | Tem | x' is the value after DR |
| 04:13.34 | Tem | c is the cap |
| 04:13.37 | Tem | k is a constant |
| 04:13.54 | Tem | c and k vary by class and stat (dodge, parry, ect) |
| 04:14.02 | Tem | but they don't vary by level |
| 04:14.10 | Gnarfoz | meaning... what? |
| 04:14.28 | Gnarfoz | sorry, while not totally oblivious to formulas, that just... didn't tell me anything at all ^^ |
| 04:14.51 | Tem | well, right now if you have 47% dodge and you add enough rating to increase your chance to dodge by 3%, you go to 50% dodge |
| 04:15.05 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 04:15.13 | Tem | with this new formula, you get less than 3% |
| 04:15.21 | Corrodias | aw :( |
| 04:15.36 | Tem | it's not much less |
| 04:15.43 | Tem | unless you're near the cap |
| 04:15.45 | Gnarfoz | oh so the conversion rates drop the higher you go? |
| 04:15.49 | Tem | aye |
| 04:15.59 | Tem | (the cap on dodge is around 88% for almost all tanking classes) |
| 04:16.11 | Gnarfoz | so you need more and more rating or stat to as you go up |
| 04:16.13 | Tem | (I think it's as high as 125% on non-tanking classes like hunters) |
| 04:16.22 | Tem | sort of |
| 04:16.28 | Tem | the point isn't to make you need more rating |
| 04:16.40 | Tem | the point is to make avoidance less valuable once you cross a threshold |
| 04:16.47 | Gnarfoz | interesting... and you just made an effort to find the point where the only DR free stat (that being AC) starts being worth more than avoidance? |
| 04:16.51 | Tem | so we never have Sunwell Radiance again |
| 04:17.13 | Tem | I'm trying right now to figure out a way to correlate the two |
| 04:17.33 | Tem | I'm probably going to have to go to item budgeting |
| 04:17.38 | Tem | but I'm not 100% clear on how that works |
| 04:17.50 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 04:18.00 | Gnarfoz | is there a minimum threshold to this, too? |
| 04:18.05 | Tem | no |
| 04:18.07 | Tem | well |
| 04:18.10 | Tem | kind of? |
| 04:18.18 | Tem | you have a base chance to dodge |
| 04:18.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 04:18.26 | Tem | and you'll "never" go below it |
| 04:19.41 | Tem | It was already hard to tell which item was better for tanking |
| 04:19.45 | Tem | it's now harder |
| 04:19.49 | Tem | a lot harder |
| 04:20.27 | Gnarfoz | I know, was tanking quite a bit in the last months of pre 3.0 BC on my pally |
| 04:20.37 | Gnarfoz | balancing gear was... challening, to put it mildly |
| 04:20.40 | Tem | pally :( |
| 04:20.58 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 04:20.59 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 04:21.11 | Tem | <-- DK/Feral |
| 04:21.13 | Gnarfoz | we had it the worst :\ most stats to get right |
| 04:21.20 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.31 | Tem | Ferals were down right bizarre to gear |
| 04:21.45 | Tem | pvp gear was often better than pve gear for tanking |
| 04:21.48 | Tem | until T6 |
| 04:22.13 | Tem | also, block is down right confusing to me |
| 04:22.27 | Tem | (in terms of how to model it) |
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| 04:23.38 | Gnarfoz | that's not hard to gear? that's bizzare to gear |
| 04:23.49 | Gnarfoz | just stack armor until you can't anymore and stack stamina after that :p |
| 04:24.12 | Gnarfoz | anyone telling you different just wanted it to be more fancy ;p |
| 04:24.44 | Gnarfoz | with pally gear it was sometimes downright hard to even stay above 490 defense :O |
| 04:25.30 | Tem | before the patch the hard part was maintaining uncrittable |
| 04:25.36 | Tem | since NONE of the druid gear had def on it |
| 04:25.49 | Tem | (with the exception of the level 68 blue LW crafted set) |
| 04:25.51 | Gnarfoz | spelldmg, both kinds of hit, avoidance, defense, stamina, block value... all relevant at some level depending on situation :X |
| 04:26.00 | Tem | yeah okay |
| 04:26.05 | Tem | hmm |
| 04:26.17 | Tem | it looks like rating costs are "easy" to compare with armor |
| 04:26.25 | Gnarfoz | that's nice |
| 04:26.31 | Tem | looks like 14 armor = 1 rating |
| 04:26.59 | Tem | so basically, I want 2 graphs |
| 04:27.01 | Tem | er |
| 04:27.06 | Tem | 2 curves on one graph |
| 04:27.21 | Gnarfoz | not all ratings convert at the same rate, though |
| 04:27.25 | Tem | right |
| 04:27.40 | Tem | I only need 2 curves per graph |
| 04:27.47 | Tem | I could do all the avoidance stats at once |
| 04:27.50 | Tem | but meh |
| 04:27.54 | Tem | oh hell |
| 04:27.59 | Tem | how does def work? |
| 04:28.14 | Tekkub | I need a simple addon that tells me if I'm uncrittable, if I need more +hit, etc |
| 04:28.44 | Tekkub | just a lil tooltip in the char frame |
| 04:28.54 | Tem | Tekkub, /dump GetCombatWhatever() + GetOtherWhatever() - 5.6 <= 0 |
| 04:29.08 | Tekkub | that's so helpful |
| 04:29.21 | Gnarfoz | that's for avoidance, too, not critability |
| 04:29.22 | Tem | what tank do you play? |
| 04:29.39 | Tekkub | I don't want it to be tank-specific |
| 04:29.47 | Gnarfoz | it is tank specific, though |
| 04:29.52 | Gnarfoz | at least the "etc" part. :p |
| 04:30.04 | Tem | brb, gotta see a man about a horse |
| 04:30.10 | Tekkub | okey, all I care about is crit and hit |
| 04:30.17 | Tekkub | I'm not concerned with crushing |
| 04:30.32 | Gnarfoz | because that doesn't exist anymore |
| 04:30.33 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 04:30.40 | Tekkub | in Wrath, yes :P |
| 04:30.46 | Gnarfoz | on live, too, which is 3.0 |
| 04:30.48 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 04:30.55 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub plays on pservers, I SWEAR |
| 04:31.14 | Tekkub | a *general* avoidance number would be nice too, but not really needed cause dodge and parry are shown in the char frame |
| 04:31.43 | Gnarfoz | actually they chose to implement that as crushing only starts at +4 levels now and leave boss level defined as player max level +3 |
| 04:31.46 | Tekkub | uh, I thought removing crushing blows was something boss-specific |
| 04:31.52 | Gnarfoz | no, it's global |
| 04:31.58 | Tekkub | so the ZA bosses and beyond have them removed |
| 04:32.07 | Gnarfoz | specific bosses didn't crush even before 3.0 |
| 04:32.15 | Tekkub | okey well, either way |
| 04:32.17 | Gnarfoz | like Archimonde, couldn't crush |
| 04:32.36 | Tekkub | uncrit, +hit needed for any class, and maybe avoidance :P |
| 04:33.26 | Tekkub | just a simple tooltip, these are the vaules you have, these are what you should aim for |
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| 04:55.15 | linear` | what are these new arena ids |
| 04:57.04 | linear` | arena1-5 |
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| 04:59.52 | Tem | your opponents |
| 04:59.58 | Tem | they work just like normal unit ids |
| 05:00.22 | Tem | as long as that unit "exists" you can get information about it |
| 05:00.31 | Tem | (stealthed units that you aren't aware of don't "exist") |
| 05:00.51 | Tem | information being anything that's normally available for a unit ID |
| 05:01.06 | Tem | current hp/mana, cast information, buffs, debuffs, ect |
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| 05:01.23 | linear` | o wow |
| 05:01.29 | linear` | unitids for arenas are amazing |
| 05:02.08 | Shaone | Anyone mind helping with the regex required to do this: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/kmbB75 |
| 05:16.45 | Slackwise | Is there no split() function? |
| 05:17.00 | Slackwise | array a = data.split("|"); |
| 05:17.02 | Slackwise | Or similar... |
| 05:18.47 | Tem | holy shit |
| 05:19.04 | Tem | unless I just messed up, TTL vs item points spent on dodge is linear |
| 05:20.01 | Tem | but it's MUCH slower than armor |
| 05:20.06 | Tem | like WAY WAY slower |
| 05:21.04 | Shaone | I guess there is! http://www.wowwiki.com/API_strsplit It wasn't in the Lua functions list |
| 05:21.19 | Tem | Slackwise, no, there isn't |
| 05:21.27 | Tem | there is only strsplit |
| 05:21.31 | linear` | is arena1pet a valid unit |
| 05:21.35 | Tem | which doesn't return an array |
| 05:21.36 | Tem | linear`, yes |
| 05:21.43 | Tem | (it may be bugged on live) |
| 05:21.46 | Shaone | It returns a table, close enough :P |
| 05:21.56 | Tem | I don't think it does |
| 05:22.04 | Tem | I'm 90% sure it doesn't return a table |
| 05:22.20 | Shaone | or rather a list |
| 05:22.27 | Tem | a list is not a table |
| 05:22.40 | Shaone | Yea |
| 05:23.55 | linear` | someone should update the unitid wiki with arena1-5 |
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| 05:30.29 | AbsoRayne | \o/ Illidan tanking |
| 05:30.35 | AbsoRayne | Im happy, my flame tanks are learning |
| 05:35.26 | AbsoRayne | Neither have gotten eye beamed yet |
| 05:35.35 | AbsoRayne | Better than I can say about myself |
| 05:41.20 | Tem | okay |
| 05:41.23 | Tem | it's not linear |
| 05:41.26 | Tem | but it's damn close |
| 05:58.50 | Tem | okay, wtf am I doing wrong here |
| 05:59.08 | Tem | 1/(1-M) |
| 05:59.38 | Tem | d/dM(above) = 1/(1-M)^2 |
| 05:59.40 | Tem | yes? |
| 06:00.09 | Tem | clad|rowing, pingpingping |
| 06:00.28 | clad|rowing | hi? |
| 06:00.38 | Tem | get me satrina on IRC |
| 06:00.43 | Tem | fun tanking theorcrafting |
| 06:00.45 | clad|rowing | not very likely |
| 06:00.48 | Tem | :( |
| 06:00.56 | Tem | can you see what I did wrong? |
| 06:01.13 | Tem | derivative of (1-M)^-1 is (1-M)^-2, yes? |
| 06:01.23 | clad|rowing | uhh. sure? |
| 06:01.33 | Tem | grr |
| 06:02.15 | Tem | it must be some weird octave behavior that I'm not doing right then |
| 06:02.18 | Tem | I'm going from a line whos derivative should be a constant and getting what looks more like a quadratic |
| 06:03.06 | clad|rowing | so is combustion good? |
| 06:03.14 | clad|rowing | i'm a bit 'meh' about it as my 31 point talent |
| 06:05.01 | clad|rowing | i went fire, and sÃorÃacht went frost, and we're about to hit 40 |
| 06:07.09 | linear` | anyone know what happens if youre watching units arena1, arena2, and arena3 and arena2 goes stealth does arena3 become arena2 |
| 06:08.04 | Tem | no |
| 06:08.16 | Tem | that would horrible and confusing |
| 06:09.15 | linear` | hm |
| 06:09.17 | linear` | can ut rack units |
| 06:09.19 | linear` | when theyre stealthed |
| 06:09.24 | linear` | with the new unitids |
| 06:09.54 | linear` | well thats what happens when party members leave dunno if blizz would want that |
| 06:10.02 | linear` | and make it act like party members leaving |
| 06:10.15 | clad|rowing | well |
| 06:10.17 | Tem | it's not |
| 06:10.18 | clad|rowing | that's leaving a party |
| 06:10.21 | clad|rowing | not stealthing |
| 06:10.23 | clad|rowing | if unit2 stealths |
| 06:10.25 | clad|rowing | you just can't see it |
| 06:10.27 | clad|rowing | that's all |
| 06:15.21 | Tem | clad|rowing, combustion is awesome |
| 06:15.26 | Tem | or, it was |
| 06:15.29 | Tem | I really liked it |
| 06:15.33 | clad|rowing | okay |
| 06:15.39 | clad|rowing | just haven't had a chance to play with it yet |
| 06:15.44 | Tem | you get to hit this button every 3 minutes and watch the crits come :) |
| 06:15.45 | clad|rowing | but its not shadowform, or boomkin form :P |
| 06:15.47 | clad|rowing | is more than I mean |
| 06:15.51 | clad|rowing | ah, makes sense |
| 06:15.57 | clad|rowing | i dont really "play" my mage very much |
| 06:16.01 | clad|rowing | he just follows my druid around |
| 06:16.02 | clad|rowing | :P |
| 06:16.03 | Tem | I don't either :( |
| 06:16.16 | clad|rowing | tho, refer-a-friend duo with mages is win |
| 06:16.22 | Tem | how so? |
| 06:16.26 | clad|rowing | I pyroblast, sio does three frostbolts |
| 06:16.31 | clad|rowing | if necessary we fire blast |
| 06:16.31 | clad|rowing | dead |
| 06:16.35 | Tem | mages are like the slowest leveling classes ever |
| 06:16.36 | clad|rowing | if we multi pull |
| 06:16.46 | Tem | kill-drink-kill-drink-kill-drink |
| 06:16.48 | clad|rowing | i just AE and with both of them, shit just dies |
| 06:16.49 | clad|rowing | heh |
| 06:16.59 | Tem | I hate leveling a mage |
| 06:17.01 | clad|rowing | when there are two of you hitting at the exact same moment |
| 06:17.02 | clad|rowing | <3 |
| 06:17.03 | Tem | the downtime is unbearable |
| 06:17.09 | clad|rowing | well thats why you do it this way |
| 06:17.11 | clad|rowing | no downtime! |
| 06:17.13 | clad|rowing | but yeah, soloing |
| 06:17.15 | clad|rowing | i want to stab mself |
| 06:17.16 | clad|rowing | :P |
| 06:19.13 | clad|rowing | i will never level a character without refer-a-friend |
| 06:19.17 | clad|rowing | I must say |
| 06:19.39 | clad|rowing | I'll have 2.5 level 60s by the end of this week |
| 06:19.39 | Tekkub | bah! |
| 06:19.59 | Tekkub | RAF is tempting, except I don' thave much I want to level |
| 06:20.10 | Tekkub | nor do I have friends not playing wow |
| 06:20.25 | clad|rowing | i just make a new account for myself |
| 06:20.41 | clad|rowing | and like 40 hours later, I'll have 2.5 characters :P |
| 06:20.57 | Wobin | Tem: Especially the latter 5 levels before each new water =( |
| 06:21.05 | Tem | god |
| 06:21.06 | Tem | fuck that |
| 06:21.09 | clad|rowing | yeah |
| 06:21.12 | clad|rowing | that is the worst wobin |
| 06:21.13 | Tem | I may never level my mage past 70 |
| 06:21.15 | Wobin | yeah, I just buy at that point =P |
| 06:21.41 | clad|rowing | i am hoping that the new talent trees made it nicer |
| 06:21.54 | clad|rowing | evocation doubles the time I can go without drinking, which is nice |
| 06:22.07 | Tekkub | clad|rowing, yea see, I don't want to pay for another acct |
| 06:22.14 | clad|rowing | Tekkub: its a one time thing |
| 06:22.26 | clad|rowing | costs me like $7.99 |
| 06:22.30 | clad|rowing | don't even need to buy the extra month |
| 06:22.33 | clad|rowing | that's only for the mount |
| 06:22.42 | clad|rowing | then I can pay to transfer the char to my main account if I want |
| 06:22.57 | Tekkub | I don't want the mount, I want the faster leveling |
| 06:22.58 | Tem | clad|rowing, don't you have to buy a cd key for the RAF account? |
| 06:23.01 | Wobin | we almost had parity with the USD =( |
| 06:23.08 | Wobin | Now it's worse than 20 years ago |
| 06:23.13 | clad|rowing | Tem: yes, bu retail keys are cheap these days |
| 06:23.17 | clad|rowing | very cheap |
| 06:23.34 | Tekkub | *ponder* |
| 06:23.38 | clad|rowing | so for say, $40 I get 2.5 characters |
| 06:23.44 | clad|rowing | in 40 hours |
| 06:23.53 | clad|rowing | we're doing Tom's account right now, so he gets the zebra |
| 06:23.55 | clad|rowing | then we'll do mine |
| 06:23.57 | clad|rowing | mages now |
| 06:24.01 | clad|rowing | maybe priests next? |
| 06:24.10 | clad|rowing | so like.. the defias brotherhood quests |
| 06:24.12 | clad|rowing | 2-3 levels |
| 06:24.18 | clad|rowing | cause its 300% on all quest XP :P |
| 06:24.27 | clad|rowing | I push them through SM with my 70 druid |
| 06:24.29 | clad|rowing | 400 xp a kill |
| 06:24.32 | Tem | I think I'll do warrior/priest if I ever find myself wanting to level an alt |
| 06:24.36 | clad|rowing | so one run gets me 75% of my level |
| 06:27.07 | clad|rowing | bbl gotta go coach |
| 06:28.08 | Tekkub | *ponder* |
| 06:29.15 | Tekkub | I guess the only real issue here is, the only two classes I want to level are a DK and a tauren Druid |
| 06:30.29 | Tem | well okay |
| 06:30.36 | Tem | someone explain this to me |
| 06:30.59 | Tekkub | whatcha not getting? |
| 06:31.13 | Tem | I have this function 1/(1-(x/(x+c))) |
| 06:31.24 | Tem | I've rewritten it thusly |
| 06:31.25 | Tekkub | you you want CODE HELP |
| 06:31.35 | Tekkub | lern2algebra |
| 06:31.46 | Tem | 1/(1-u) |
| 06:31.52 | Tem | where u = x/(x+c) |
| 06:32.31 | Tem | the derrivative of the first function is 1/c |
| 06:33.01 | Tem | if I work it by doing going from the 1/(1-u) form, I get 1/(1-u)^2 |
| 06:33.31 | Tem | once I put x/(x+c) back in for u, it comes out to (x+c)^2/c^2 |
| 06:33.35 | Tem | which is not right |
| 06:33.47 | Tem | where did I do something that I can't do |
| 06:33.54 | Tem | oh |
| 06:33.55 | Tem | god it |
| 06:33.56 | Tem | got it |
| 06:34.20 | Tem | I didn't do the derrivative of u |
| 06:34.25 | Tem | okay |
| 06:34.53 | Tem | bleh, so this means I have to work out this other equation thats way more nasty :( |
| 06:35.32 | linear` | use a calculator |
| 06:35.40 | Tem | don't have one |
| 06:36.08 | linear` | http://calc101.com/webMathematica/derivatives.jsp |
| 06:37.37 | Tem | hot |
| 06:39.45 | Tekkub | bah, I just saw a blizzcon bear in game |
| 06:39.51 | Tekkub | the mrloc doesn't even move |
| 06:39.59 | Wobin | =( |
| 06:40.08 | Wobin | So it's wearing a stuffed murloc hat |
| 06:40.17 | Tekkub | basically |
| 06:40.25 | Wobin | ... |
| 06:40.30 | Wobin | I put the fallout 3 dvd in |
| 06:40.31 | Tekkub | I've still not used my card, I don't know if I should |
| 06:40.34 | Tekkub | *whine* |
| 06:40.41 | Wobin | and it tells me to "Please insert the original disc instead of a backup" |
| 06:40.48 | Wobin | fuck you securerom |
| 06:40.55 | Wobin | It's a valid dvd |
| 06:41.04 | Tem | EA hates paying customers |
| 06:41.13 | Wobin | You're not wrong |
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| 06:41.28 | Tem | which is why if I ever desire to play an EA game, I'm going to pirate it |
| 06:41.34 | Tekkub | that'll learn you to pay for shit |
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| 06:50.30 | Shirik | Tem: Did you still need that problem solved? |
| 06:50.43 | Tem | no, I figured out my mistake |
| 06:50.58 | Shirik | ping me next time :( |
| 06:50.58 | Tem | it makes my octave code significantly less pretty |
| 06:51.05 | Tem | but it works now |
| 06:51.19 | Tem | I wish octave could do the derivative for me |
| 06:51.28 | Tem | I don't feel like interpolating it myself |
| 06:52.38 | Shirik | octave? |
| 06:53.22 | Tem | it's a free MATLAB clone |
| 06:54.01 | Shirik | WHAT?! linear`! |
| 06:54.07 | Shirik | Wtf is that site you just showed me |
| 06:54.14 | Shirik | It says the derivative of log(x) is 1/x |
| 06:55.12 | Tem | blame mathmatica imo |
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| 06:56.18 | Shirik | Tem: Git or SVN |
| 06:56.24 | Shirik | Wait, that's a stupid question to ask you |
| 06:56.49 | Shirik | batrick |
| 06:56.49 | Tem | I use SVN because its shortcomings haven't been an issue for me |
| 06:56.50 | Shirik | git or svn |
| 06:56.52 | Shirik | oh good |
| 06:56.56 | Shirik | Tekkub ^ |
| 06:57.05 | Tem | tekk is gay for git |
| 06:57.14 | Tem | though I've never heard his explanation on why |
| 06:57.20 | Shirik | because it's awesome |
| 06:57.21 | Shirik | obviously |
| 06:57.27 | Tem | ./slap |
| 06:57.29 | Shirik | I still don't have a good reason to use git myself >< |
| 06:57.39 | Tekkub | because github kicks ass :P |
| 06:57.50 | Tem | you're just saying that because they pay you |
| 06:57.56 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:58.08 | Tekkub | no I'm saying that because every idiot that sent me a patch has failed :P |
| 06:58.15 | Tekkub | but merging a fork works every time |
| 06:58.46 | Tekkub | oh and they pay me |
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| 07:00.53 | Shirik | awwww |
| 07:00.56 | Shirik | miniwing is lv 1 again |
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| 07:36.03 | Adys | Can you use spell ids in macros? |
| 07:36.21 | Shirik|zZz | yes |
| 07:36.32 | Shirik|zZz | I thought |
| 07:36.39 | Shirik|zZz | try it |
| 07:37.01 | Adys | Dunno a friend told me to ask :P no idea myself |
| 07:54.38 | Tem | pure awesome |
| 07:54.39 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ti5f-LHp4&feature=channel |
| 07:55.41 | Adys | that's awesome |
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| 08:07.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDx5qPqBaSI&feature=related |
| 08:07.18 | Wobin | =) |
| 08:11.26 | Wobin | also watch his MacGyver one =) |
| 08:12.28 | Adys | Wobin: cant find the mcgyver one |
| 08:12.50 | Wobin | one sec, listening to his Inspector Gadget |
| 08:12.56 | Adys | haha same |
| 08:13.14 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1CZ7yCgkOM |
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| 08:55.17 | Shaone | Tem: Have you seen any of Jack Conte's stuff? |
| 08:55.27 | Tem | negative |
| 08:55.51 | Shaone | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M60Txqxtw4 is my favorite one |
| 08:56.19 | Shaone | It's 100% him, it's awesome |
| 08:57.52 | cladhaire | whats higher than ST? |
| 08:57.59 | cladhaire | oh BRS and such |
| 08:58.18 | Shaone | BRD is probably after ST |
| 08:58.34 | Wobin | hehe I love the tiny piano |
| 08:58.48 | Shaone | Haha yea |
| 08:58.57 | Wobin | very schroderer =) |
| 08:59.04 | Shaone | It's awesome how many different instruments he uses in his songs |
| 08:59.11 | Shaone | Some have an accordian |
| 08:59.24 | Shaone | And some have simple things like banging on bottles |
| 09:00.03 | cladhaire | oh i'll take em to strat |
| 09:00.08 | cladhaire | at 45 |
| 09:00.08 | cladhaire | win! |
| 09:00.13 | Shaone | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyRaI2Uimbk is another good one |
| 09:00.50 | Wobin | I like the Anti-video song |
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| 09:02.37 | Shaone | and the beard one :P |
| 09:02.44 | Tem | so, clocks DID change tonight, right? |
| 09:03.15 | Tem | none of my "automatically handles DST" clocks have changed themselves... |
| 09:06.47 | Aiiane | that's likely because they were manufactured before the law that changed when DST went into effect was made |
| 09:07.17 | Tem | TVGuide Channel |
| 09:07.23 | Tem | my cell phone |
| 09:07.45 | Tem | time.nist.gov |
| 09:09.45 | Tekkub | DLST can go fuck itself |
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| 09:11.03 | Tem | this actually kind of pisses me off |
| 09:11.20 | Aiiane | imo DST should have been done away with when we invented the electric light |
| 09:11.23 | Tem | when I do a sync with time.nist.fuckingov I expect to get the right time |
| 09:11.23 | Aiiane | but go figure |
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| 09:11.49 | Tem | tvguide channel okay whatever they're morons |
| 09:11.57 | Tem | ditto my cell phone company |
| 09:12.13 | Tekkub | is this the "I can go to work an hour late" one? |
| 09:12.18 | Tekkub | or the other? |
| 09:12.21 | Tem | the other |
| 09:12.25 | Tem | show up an hour early |
| 09:12.26 | Tem | :( |
| 09:12.29 | Tem | oh wait |
| 09:12.30 | Tem | no |
| 09:12.34 | Tem | get there an hour late, yes |
| 09:12.44 | Aiiane | fall is the extra-hour-of-sleep yes |
| 09:12.44 | Tekkub | so stop bitching |
| 09:12.47 | Tekkub | show up late |
| 09:12.51 | Tekkub | play dumb |
| 09:13.31 | Tem | if by monday my cellphone, the government and the tv haven't fixed the time, I will |
| 09:13.47 | Tem | also, I fully expect some shit to be up if that happened |
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| 09:38.53 | ReAn | anyone know a decent dagger for a lvl 50? |
| 09:49.19 | Tekkub | I bet wowhead does |
| 09:51.54 | ReAn | problem with that is, ilevel is unreliable, and you can't search for "usable by a lvl 50" so quest rewards dont show up |
| 09:52.00 | ReAn | it's a real pain in the ass |
| 09:52.59 | Xinhuan | an item usable by a lvl 50 alawys has ilvl 55 or lower |
| 09:53.20 | Xinhuan | this also applies to quest rewards |
| 09:53.35 | Xinhuan | the ilvl of the reward is related to the minimum quest acceptable level |
| 09:56.15 | Tekkub | it shows for quests... http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2995009462/ |
| 09:57.54 | Tem | well, fun news from tanking theory land |
| 09:57.58 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2.15&filter=qu=2:3:4;minle=45;maxle=55 |
| 09:58.03 | Tem | avoidance stats suck now |
| 09:58.09 | Tem | defense is amazing |
| 09:58.13 | Tekkub | "fun" and "tank theory" I don't believe you |
| 09:58.38 | Tem | defense diminishes slower than the other avoidance stats |
| 09:58.42 | Tem | like WAY slower |
| 09:58.52 | Tekkub | don't tell Blue that! |
| 10:00.38 | Tem | also, because of its slower dimishing, you don't hit the inflection point in the curve until AFTER you've already hit 100% avoidance |
| 10:00.56 | Tem | so actually, avoidance from defense never diminishes |
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| 10:02.33 | Tem | (well, it kind of does) |
| 10:03.16 | Tem | you increase your TTL hella fast when you're still crittable by adding def |
| 10:06.38 | Tem | Also, the TTL bump you give yourself with defense goes above armor's increase before the armor cap |
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| 10:14.08 | Tem | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f0c39704d9dd7721d71eeca1521a9875.PNG |
| 10:15.31 | Tem | unfortunately for druids, defense only grants them dodge |
| 10:15.44 | Tem | so it sucks for them |
| 10:16.07 | ReAn | dodge and uncrittableness |
| 10:16.09 | mikma | that would have been my next question, "what about druids?" |
| 10:16.25 | Tem | ReAn, see Survival of the Fittest |
| 10:16.30 | Tekkub | wut more druids? |
| 10:16.37 | Tem | now grants -6% crit reduction |
| 10:16.43 | Tem | druids get uncrittable from talents |
| 10:16.49 | Tekkub | OP |
| 10:16.49 | Tem | so def only give miss + dodge |
| 10:17.07 | ReAn | say what? |
| 10:17.07 | Tem | hmm, lemme check something |
| 10:17.20 | ReAn | s' been a while since i was on my druid |
| 10:17.22 | Tekkub | I miss my dodge |
| 10:17.29 | Tekkub | wait, I had a honda |
| 10:17.52 | Tem | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=33856 |
| 10:18.50 | Tem | actually, since it does grant miss and dodge, it's probably still really good for druids |
| 10:19.05 | mikma | tem: so where can i find some info about the numbers required? liek how much def, armor, dodge, etc etc do i need for me druid |
| 10:19.17 | Tem | no idea |
| 10:19.21 | Tem | I know that you need 0 def |
| 10:19.22 | mikma | :( |
| 10:19.32 | Tem | lemme change my constants from dk to druid numbers |
| 10:19.38 | mikma | so clarify something. with what are druids tanking? |
| 10:19.42 | Tem | and I'll see how def stacks up for druids |
| 10:19.50 | Tem | rogue leather |
| 10:20.02 | mikma | wut? |
| 10:20.07 | Tem | rogue leather |
| 10:20.11 | mikma | huh |
| 10:20.22 | ReAn | basically agi = win for druids |
| 10:20.29 | Xuerian | will the real feral druid please stand up.. |
| 10:20.30 | mikma | what about dodge? |
| 10:20.30 | ReAn | dodge is our only defense now |
| 10:20.40 | ReAn | i guess |
| 10:20.43 | mikma | so, i was kitty in last nights kara... |
| 10:20.50 | mikma | moroes lucky pocket watch dropped |
| 10:20.54 | mikma | guess who got it |
| 10:20.57 | Tekkub | hunter |
| 10:21.02 | Tekkub | druid |
| 10:21.04 | Tekkub | mage |
| 10:21.07 | Tekkub | uh.. hunter |
| 10:21.19 | mikma | almost, warrior, which was the "tank" in the run |
| 10:21.36 | Tekkub | you sure he wasn't a munter? |
| 10:21.38 | ReAn | lol |
| 10:21.44 | mikma | no i am not sure |
| 10:21.46 | ReAn | i was forced to take the pocket watch on my druid |
| 10:21.48 | ReAn | oh so long ago |
| 10:22.03 | mikma | i left almost 10mins after that because they were wiping on the mobs after moroes |
| 10:23.17 | mikma | on the corridor of maiden, they pulled a group, someone decided that we need more action and pulled another group |
| 10:23.32 | mikma | that left me with cat-sprint out of the instance :P |
| 10:23.55 | mikma | when i got in, and returned, the wiping continued because the people that died released and ran back 1 by 1 to die again |
| 10:24.23 | ReAn | lesson learnt? find non-retard groups? |
| 10:24.29 | ReAn | it's karazhan, not like it's hard |
| 10:24.32 | ReAn | especially now |
| 10:24.35 | mikma | exactly. |
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| 10:24.53 | mikma | both points very, very good advices. |
| 10:25.04 | mikma | "you are dps, so you are not entitled to the pocket watch" |
| 10:25.49 | Adys | is there a way in an addon to check whether I'm currently ready to cast Disenchant? |
| 10:26.03 | Adys | my cursor is blue, I'm not yet casting the spell, basically |
| 10:28.59 | krka | is there any addon that provides spell buttons (typically heal/buff) near unit frames? |
| 10:29.34 | mikma | UnitButtons or something |
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| 10:36.20 | krka | i'll check it out, thanks |
| 10:41.25 | krka | lol http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?search=unitbuttons&title&author&page=1&so=desc&sb=hits |
| 10:43.07 | Tem | mikma, okay, so |
| 10:43.09 | Tem | for druids |
| 10:43.38 | Tem | defense still scales to full avoidance before you hit the inflection point where it diminishes |
| 10:44.06 | Tem | however |
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| 10:45.01 | Tem | dodge rating grants a higher boost to your TTL than def intitially |
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| 10:45.43 | Tem | the two intersect at about 2000 rating |
| 10:46.13 | Tem | so if you find yourself choosing between 2000 dodge rating and 2000 def rating... |
| 10:46.53 | Tem | basically, in the range of reachable stats, dodge beats out def for druids |
| 10:47.11 | ReAn | i coulda told you that |
| 10:47.18 | Tem | I could have too... |
| 10:47.23 | ReAn | but i appreciate the theorycraft |
| 10:47.25 | Tem | proving it mathmatically is fun |
| 10:47.34 | Tem | agi looks to beat them both until even deeper into impossible land |
| 10:50.57 | ReAn | the rule of thumb was |
| 10:50.57 | ReAn | get to uncrittable |
| 10:50.57 | ReAn | then stack agi |
| 10:50.57 | Tem | I'm well familliar with that |
| 10:50.57 | ReAn | i think it's basically the saem |
| 10:50.57 | mikma | tem: thank you :) i'll keep this in my mind |
| 10:50.58 | ReAn | same |
| 10:50.58 | Tem | but it's changed a lot since then |
| 10:50.58 | ReAn | you calculated this with 3.0.x in mind right Tem? |
| 10:50.58 | Tem | that's the whole point |
| 10:50.58 | mikma | tem: TTT. Tem's Think Tank |
| 10:50.58 | ReAn | just making sure |
| 10:50.58 | Tem | I'm watching the relationship between TTL and avoidance stats |
| 10:50.58 | Tem | because of the new DR on them |
| 10:50.58 | Tem | the way they mess with your TTL changed drastically |
| 10:50.58 | Tem | shockingly, defense is now the best avoidance stat |
| 10:51.28 | ReAn | i am cool with that |
| 10:51.33 | ReAn | since im a druid |
| 10:51.34 | Tem | point for point, however, armor is woth more than all of them |
| 10:51.44 | Tem | defense is not the best avoidance stat for druids |
| 10:51.54 | Tem | I'm pretty sure agi still is |
| 10:52.05 | Tem | with dodge rating coming in a close second |
| 10:52.10 | Tem | (doing the math on agi atm) |
| 10:54.02 | Tem | OH |
| 10:54.07 | Tem | and these are all done at level 80 |
| 10:54.12 | Tem | against a level 83 boss |
| 10:59.13 | Adys | is there a way in an addon to check whether I'm currently ready to cast Disenchant?my cursor is blue, I'm not yet casting the spell, basically |
| 10:59.21 | Adys | Woops, wrong chan |
| 11:00.09 | Mikk | Not really |
| 11:00.28 | Mikk | The wrong channel, that is |
| 11:01.00 | Adys | was meant to my paste chan :P |
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| 11:18.01 | krka | anyone here familiar with trinity? i am not really sure what i am supposed to download O_o |
| 11:18.50 | krka | seems to refer to macaroon, which looks like something completely different |
| 11:20.29 | Tem | ugh |
| 11:20.49 | Tem | now I remember why I hate matlab "programming" |
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| 11:31.14 | |pez| | You guys think I'll manage to get from 64 to 70 before WotLK comes out? :P I'm usually a rather slow lvler... |
| 11:32.15 | zenzelezz | eleven days, sure |
| 11:32.47 | |pez| | I've got rested until atleast mid 65 too XD |
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| 12:15.43 | [sync] | hmm |
| 12:15.45 | [sync] | anyone here |
| 12:16.05 | zenzelezz | some |
| 12:17.16 | [sync] | Great. |
| 12:17.28 | [sync] | Anyone know of an addon that warns you when there is a "rare" mob nearby |
| 12:17.36 | [sync] | As in, ones with the silver dragon or gold. |
| 12:18.14 | krka | hm, weird. ag_unitframes doesn't seem to hide the blizzard focus |
| 12:18.18 | krka | or maybe my setup is broken |
| 12:18.26 | [sync] | :O and also, Fubar or Titanpanel |
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| 12:21.45 | haste | vithos: could you see if the castbar issue is present on the latest oUF git? |
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| 12:26.34 | Mikk | [sync]: "Nearby" is not really doable |
| 12:26.48 | Mikk | Mousing over or targetting.. yeah that's doable |
| 12:26.52 | Mikk | Or if party members do it |
| 12:28.19 | Mikk | It could also be doable if you know all the GUIDs of rares and see them doing stuff in the combatlog |
| 12:28.23 | Mikk | ... but then you're probably too late anyway |
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| 12:29.21 | Lothaer | hey guys anyone on this late? |
| 12:29.52 | haste | 1329.21| [ Lothaer] hey guys anyone on this late? |
| 12:29.58 | [sync] | :O |
| 12:30.04 | [sync] | Wait.. |
| 12:30.05 | [sync] | Mikk |
| 12:30.06 | [sync] | Is that.. |
| 12:30.10 | [sync] | The MSBT Mikk.. |
| 12:30.10 | [sync] | . |
| 12:30.17 | Mikk | no |
| 12:30.18 | haste | time is relative |
| 12:30.20 | Mikk | ~mikk |
| 12:30.21 | purl | well, mikk is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT. He likes fiddling with central libraries. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 12:30.23 | [sync] | Oh.. |
| 12:30.24 | [sync] | lol |
| 12:30.32 | Mikk | The msbt Mikk isn't Mikk, he's Mikord |
| 12:30.42 | [sync] | Anyway, is there an addon that does.. what you said? |
| 12:30.43 | [sync] | :O |
| 12:30.44 | haste | my ssh lag just spiked like mad |
| 12:31.04 | Mikk | [sync]: no idea. just saying it's doable. |
| 12:31.08 | [sync] | :O and of course, Fubar or titanpanel? |
| 12:31.18 | zenzelezz | you're not making sense |
| 12:31.18 | Mikk | why would it even have to live somwhere at all? |
| 12:31.27 | zenzelezz | what about Fubar and Titan panel? |
| 12:31.56 | [sync] | Which is better? |
| 12:32.02 | [sync] | Ups/Downs etc. |
| 12:32.02 | Lothaer | lol |
| 12:32.06 | zenzelezz | that's up to you to decide |
| 12:32.10 | zenzelezz | people have different opinions |
| 12:32.19 | [sync] | I'd like to hear yours. |
| 12:32.21 | Lothaer | has Bongos been abandoned? |
| 12:32.27 | Mikk | I use neither |
| 12:32.35 | Mikk | Wait i'll get you a link |
| 12:32.47 | Mikk | [sync]: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14903 <- read that |
| 12:32.55 | [sync] | Pro. |
| 12:33.27 | [sync] | Wait |
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| 12:33.29 | [sync] | Youre admin?! |
| 12:33.33 | [sync] | WTF?1 |
| 12:33.39 | [sync] | oneoneshift!111! |
| 12:34.00 | [sync] | By the way. I didnt understand what LDB was.. |
| 12:34.10 | ReAn | LibDataBroker |
| 12:34.12 | [sync] | I didnt want to have addons displayed "anyway" |
| 12:34.14 | [sync] | anywhere* |
| 12:34.36 | [sync] | Just wanted some addons to be on the bar, like the fubar EXP fu, that... wasnt updated |
| 12:34.38 | [sync] | and goldfu etc. |
| 12:34.53 | Mikk | Well why didnt you say that? =P |
| 12:35.26 | [sync] | .... |
| 12:35.49 | Mikk | It's a very important distinction |
| 12:35.52 | [sync] | ... |
| 12:35.53 | [sync] | O.o |
| 12:35.55 | [sync] | Ok.. |
| 12:35.55 | [sync] | :S |
| 12:35.58 | Mikk | Since there's now shitloads of little addons that can be displayed anywhere |
| 12:36.07 | [sync] | uh huh |
| 12:36.12 | Mikk | Meaning you don't haev to choose between fubar and titan |
| 12:36.20 | Mikk | You can even have fubar addons showing in titan now |
| 12:36.25 | Mikk | Like I explained in that post |
| 12:36.38 | [sync] | well I happen to be leveling a hunter |
| 12:36.41 | [sync] | Any advices? |
| 12:36.56 | [sync] | I got.... someone's feed-o-matic.. |
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| 12:39.25 | [sync] | hmmm. |
| 12:39.47 | ReAn | [sync] |
| 12:39.58 | [sync] | Yup |
| 12:39.59 | ReAn | ill get you the name of the #1 most essential mod for leveling any new toon |
| 12:40.02 | ReAn | just 1 sec |
| 12:40.05 | ReAn | wow booting up |
| 12:40.10 | [sync] | QuestHelper? |
| 12:40.21 | ReAn | no |
| 12:40.23 | ReAn | fuck that |
| 12:40.37 | [sync] | I actually managed to get a copy of Zygor's Ally Leveling guide + In-Game mod.. |
| 12:40.38 | ReAn | LightHeaded |
| 12:40.41 | [sync] | No I wasnt paid to say that.. |
| 12:40.43 | [sync] | Huh O.o |
| 12:40.49 | ReAn | Get LightHeaded |
| 12:40.53 | [sync] | Last time I used tht it was a bad experience |
| 12:40.59 | ReAn | it's Wowhead compressed into wow |
| 12:41.13 | [sync] | fonts too small, closing of the more info tab was shit loud :S |
| 12:41.32 | ReAn | mines worked fine since 3.0 came in (when i first got it) |
| 12:41.38 | ReAn | nothing but awesome |
| 12:42.42 | [sync] | :O |
| 12:45.06 | ReAn | lol |
| 12:45.07 | ReAn | i love it |
| 12:45.08 | [sync] | done |
| 12:45.09 | [sync] | installed |
| 12:45.11 | ReAn | im lvl 49 |
| 12:45.16 | ReAn | and i have 300/300 skinning |
| 12:45.17 | [sync] | I used to use an addon called Carbonite |
| 12:45.21 | [sync] | wow! |
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| 12:45.27 | ReAn | and every flight path in the game |
| 12:46.10 | [sync] | ... |
| 12:46.15 | [sync] | Howd you get to winterspring.. |
| 12:46.21 | [sync] | and lights hope O.o |
| 12:46.31 | nevcairiel | die your way through |
| 12:46.31 | |pez| | You runrunrun |
| 12:46.50 | |pez| | through feralas. |
| 12:46.51 | AbsoRayne | @_@ |
| 12:46.58 | |pez| | nevcairiel: pff, don't have to! |
| 12:47.18 | nevcairiel | timbermaw tunnel isnt fun on 49 |
| 12:47.32 | nevcairiel | unless you actually got their reputation up already |
| 12:47.36 | |pez| | nevcairiel: kill the timbermaws enemies. |
| 12:47.43 | AbsoRayne | nevcairiel: scary bear cave = :( |
| 12:47.47 | |pez| | and you'll be let past easily. |
| 12:53.32 | [sync] | hmm |
| 12:53.38 | [sync] | How do I make the lightheaded font bigger |
| 12:57.25 | [sync] | :S |
| 12:57.27 | [sync] | LH isnt that good |
| 12:57.32 | [sync] | totally different from screenshot.. |
| 12:59.50 | nevcairiel | no its not |
| 13:00.09 | [sync] | for me it is |
| 13:00.12 | [sync] | the quests |
| 13:00.14 | nevcairiel | except that the screenshots are taken with DoubleWide, |
| 13:00.14 | [sync] | left hand side |
| 13:00.16 | [sync] | its not expending |
| 13:00.26 | [sync] | Yeah.. how would I get DoubleWide.. different addon? or.. |
| 13:00.27 | nevcairiel | and thats not LightHeadeds doing |
| 13:00.43 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6887-DoubleWide.html |
| 13:00.53 | nevcairiel | that just gives you the two-pane quest log |
| 13:00.59 | nevcairiel | lightheaded only adds the comment panel |
| 13:01.03 | [sync] | win! |
| 13:01.07 | Fisker- | http://savannahnow.com/node/605769? <-fail |
| 13:01.09 | [sync] | thanks |
| 13:01.53 | [sync] | lololl |
| 13:02.44 | [sync] | Ok |
| 13:02.46 | [sync] | Next step |
| 13:02.54 | [sync] | Since im using UI scale like.... smallest |
| 13:02.57 | [sync] | hmm |
| 13:03.40 | [sync] | cant make font bigger? |
| 13:06.46 | ReAn | sync |
| 13:06.51 | ReAn | it's the same size as the rest |
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| 13:17.12 | Llyarn | good day everyone! |
| 13:17.54 | Llyarn | guys, are there really issues with minimap alpha while indoors, or is it just me? |
| 13:24.37 | zenzelezz | is that an addon or some standard feature? |
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| 13:25.37 | Llyarn | it's Minimap:SetAlpha(0.5) |
| 13:26.42 | Llyarn | and when Iâm outdoors, it works perfectly⦠but when map changes (I fly into Stormwind, or enter any house or dungeon) map just disappears, leaving only black backdrop |
| 13:28.16 | |pez| | What to do with a guildvault that sort of has no guild except me and my boyfriend? Sell the stuff we don't need, and use it as storage! |
| 13:31.28 | mikma | llyarn: mac, using different mapshape? |
| 13:31.34 | Llyarn | mac |
| 13:31.45 | mikma | and most likely a square minimap |
| 13:31.45 | Llyarn | and using different mapshape :) |
| 13:31.49 | Llyarn | yep |
| 13:31.53 | zenzelezz | |pez|: that's what a lot of people are doing, creating guilds on their alts to get extra bank space :-p |
| 13:31.56 | Llyarn | is it solvable? |
| 13:32.00 | mikma | been there since the start of the game |
| 13:32.05 | mikma | nothing we can do about it |
| 13:32.14 | Llyarn | *sigh* |
| 13:32.17 | |pez| | zenzelezz: hehe |
| 13:32.22 | |pez| | I did have a guild though! like a year ago |
| 13:32.36 | |pez| | I've still got some gold left from it, and items. |
| 13:32.38 | Llyarn | mikma: but on windows it works fine?⦠just have no PC box to test it out |
| 13:32.52 | |pez| | Gonna sell the items, and put usefull stuff in there. |
| 13:33.20 | mikma | llyarn: works fine on windows, mac only bug |
| 13:34.02 | Llyarn | ok, thanks for the info! |
| 13:37.17 | mikma | heh :) |
| 13:38.30 | Llyarn | dunno, does it belong to http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UIObject_SetAlpha â or somewhere near Minimap? :) |
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| 13:43.27 | mikma | i'd put it in minimap |
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| 13:47.10 | Llyarn | Grrr, am awfully bad at âscientific englishâ =\ |
| 13:47.33 | Llyarn | guess, someone will find a better phrase for that⦠|
| 13:50.26 | alcaras | What are you trying to say? |
| 13:52.35 | Llyarn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Minimap â 2nd note |
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| 13:53.51 | krka | you could clarify "map" a bit |
| 13:54.06 | krka | the world map? the minimap? the minimap background? the minimap objects? |
| 13:57.10 | mikma | llyarn: well you could say it like this: Modifying the Minimap will make it turn black indoors |
| 13:57.22 | mikma | because changing the shape and apparently setalpha makes it happen |
| 13:58.46 | Llyarn | um⦠iâll make some research on SetMaskTexture and SetBackdrop first, cause now it seems to be buggy only with SetAlpha |
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| 14:00.43 | Llyarn | yep, no matter what the shape is, only alpha causes this |
| 14:02.37 | Llyarn | mikma: thanks for the definition :) |
| 14:02.56 | mikma | llyarn: on my mac, the shape also caused it |
| 14:04.00 | Llyarn | maybe theyâve fixed that in some patch?⦠|
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| 14:04.25 | mikma | no idea, haven't had modified minimap since the first time i noticed the bug |
| 14:04.58 | Llyarn | i think this will work for me: |
| 14:04.58 | Llyarn | Minimap:SetScript('OnUpdate', function(self) if IsIndoors() then self:SetAlpha(1) else self:SetAlpha(0.5) end end) |
| 14:05.09 | Llyarn | gotta invent something for capitals though⦠|
| 14:06.24 | mikma | try GetNumMapOverlays() |
| 14:06.30 | mikma | it retuns 0 in town |
| 14:07.31 | Llyarn | thanks, Iâll try that later⦠and thereâs allways GetCurrentMapZone as a backup feature I think :) |
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| 14:08.49 | mikma | Tekkub did his BattlefieldMinimap town-detection with GetNumMapOverlays(), seems to work pretty damn well |
| 14:10.14 | Llyarn | one more unrelated question: where do I dig for coding some visual effects? is there any kind of timer event to hook position/alpha/size/⦠changes? |
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| 14:42.50 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5_OSsawz4 |
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| 15:33.04 | p3lim | haste: say when youre done pushing |
| 15:33.53 | haste | pushing takes like .1sec |
| 15:34.51 | p3lim | well you push several commits, just say when youve pushed all of them |
| 15:35.13 | p3lim | im not able to clone your git for some reason, im guessing its a lockdown or something |
| 15:35.23 | haste | nope |
| 15:35.45 | p3lim | you know what then? |
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| 15:36.06 | haste | seems gitd is down |
| 15:36.13 | p3lim | oh.. ok |
| 15:36.37 | haste | it's not running on my user atm, so I can't do much to fix it |
| 15:36.52 | p3lim | will it fix itself tho'? |
| 15:37.21 | haste | nope |
| 15:37.25 | p3lim | bleh |
| 15:37.30 | p3lim | wanna test out the new changes |
| 15:37.40 | haste | then fetch a snapshot |
| 15:37.49 | haste | I haven't tested them at all however |
| 15:38.49 | p3lim | how do I do that? |
| 15:38.55 | p3lim | you enabled zips again? :o |
| 15:39.14 | haste | yes |
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| 15:39.32 | p3lim | ill use that temporary then |
| 15:42.01 | p3lim | how do I register tags now tho? |
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| 15:48.10 | p3lim | haste: ping |
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| 16:12.24 | mdsj2 | hi all |
| 16:12.43 | mdsj2 | is this a world of warcraft chanel xD? |
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| 16:13.26 | p3lim | yes |
| 16:14.28 | mdsj2 | and european :O? |
| 16:14.48 | Gnarfoz | it's the internet |
| 16:14.50 | zenzelezz | no particular continent. Why? |
| 16:15.36 | mdsj2 | just curiosity :) i have lose my lvl 70 acount and now , the lich king is near |
| 16:15.46 | mdsj2 | i have some questions like for example how can i reget it |
| 16:15.55 | mdsj2 | the email was a yahoo email and yahoo delete it omg! |
| 16:16.10 | zenzelezz | what do you mean by "lost" your account? |
| 16:16.29 | mdsj2 | i dont remember the password |
| 16:16.52 | mdsj2 | i remember the secret awnser and the email but the email dont exit now |
| 16:16.58 | mdsj2 | exit :) |
| 16:17.04 | mdsj2 | srry for my horrible english |
| 16:17.07 | selckin | so get the email back |
| 16:17.08 | p3lim | haste: what is the 2nd arg in oUF:Tag()? |
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| 16:17.48 | mdsj2 | u know what shall i do? |
| 16:18.00 | p3lim | Call blizzard |
| 16:18.05 | p3lim | By phone |
| 16:18.10 | selckin | cry in a corner and use a real email next time |
| 16:18.16 | p3lim | :p |
| 16:18.18 | selckin | and don't sell your account |
| 16:18.45 | mdsj2 | i dont seel my acount.... i remember all the things but yahoo delete my mail xD well i will talk to blizzard |
| 16:18.47 | mdsj2 | thanks m8es |
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| 16:28.41 | haste | p3lim: gitd is running again - tagstring |
| 16:29.35 | p3lim | got it working, but buggy tho, trying different approaches now |
| 16:29.39 | p3lim | and thanks :) |
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| 16:32.23 | Llyarn | need some LUA help here, guys |
| 16:32.30 | haste | ~asktoask |
| 16:32.31 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 16:32.39 | krka | Llyarn: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that. :-P |
| 16:32.40 | Llyarn | here's the one that works perfectly: |
| 16:32.40 | Llyarn | function testfunc(obj) obj:Hide() end |
| 16:32.40 | Llyarn | testfunc(PlayerFrame) |
| 16:33.13 | Llyarn | hereâs the one that doesnât: |
| 16:33.13 | Llyarn | MyCustomFrame.testfunc = function(obj) obj:Hide() end |
| 16:33.13 | Llyarn | MyCustomFrame:testfunc(PlayerFrame) |
| 16:33.33 | haste | foo:bar() == foo.bar(foo) |
| 16:35.05 | Llyarn | it appears that in second case I have obj == nil inside⦠whyâs that? |
| 16:35.23 | haste | because foo:bar() == foo.bar(foo) |
| 16:35.41 | haste | which means: MyCustomFrame:testfunc(PlayerFrame) equals MyCustomFrame.testfunc(MyCustomFrame, PlayerFrame) |
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| 16:35.54 | haste | you want to use . not : |
| 16:36.15 | Slakah1 | unless you want to pass MyCustomFrame |
| 16:36.31 | Llyarn | which means i should use something like MCF.testfunc = function(_, obj)? |
| 16:36.40 | haste | or just use . and not : |
| 16:37.16 | Llyarn | well, I want to use MCF as a âmoduleâ for incapsulating some functions and this seemed the best way to me |
| 16:37.24 | Llyarn | thanks for clarification tho :) |
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| 16:40.32 | p3lim | haste: tags doesnt work on my target frame for some reason |
| 16:40.53 | haste | It's all drycoded, so it doesn't suprise me |
| 16:41.22 | haste | neither is it complete, to there isn't any forced update |
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| 16:42.25 | p3lim | ok |
| 16:42.53 | p3lim | works on targettarget and focus tho, and it updates like it should, thats good :) |
| 16:43.25 | haste | it should work on the target if it works on the focus |
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| 17:08.11 | mdsj2 | any person have a eu acount and dont want it XD? |
| 17:08.46 | cog|away | trading accounts is bannable |
| 17:08.53 | cog|away | please don't discuss things like that in here |
| 17:08.56 | mdsj2 | ok |
| 17:09.33 | mdsj2 | lclclcllcllllllllllllccccccclllllllllllllllccccclllllllllllllllcccccccclllllllllllllllllcccccccclllllllllllllclkkkkkk,vsyv ix ghix xjkll |
| 17:09.46 | Kaso | Very interesting.. |
| 17:09.48 | Gnarfoz | weird people |
| 17:10.04 | nevcairiel | cog|away made him explode, obviously |
| 17:10.09 | nevcairiel | with his mind power |
| 17:10.27 | nevcairiel | be glad that he quit when he did, or it would've been ugly! |
| 17:10.30 | erikd | does anyone know of a note addon that i can use to take some notes on one character and view them on another? |
| 17:11.01 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/01/funny-pictures-one-took-to-mind-that-polar-bears-dont-read/ |
| 17:11.33 | cog|away | erikd: all the note addons i've ever played with used account-wide SV (though i haven't played with any in a while) |
| 17:13.07 | erikd | it seems like a lot of the ones i'm finding all attach notes to objects or players instead of just a "notepad" |
| 17:13.40 | cog|away | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4417-TinyPad.html |
| 17:14.10 | erikd | ahh, thanks. i should've searched for pad instead of note(s) :P |
| 17:14.32 | cog|away | or search for notepad in the descriptions :P |
| 17:15.23 | Llyarn | how do I convert floating-point to integer? |
| 17:15.28 | Llyarn | *shy* |
| 17:15.37 | cog|away | you mean to round for display or for arithmetic? |
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| 17:15.40 | nevcairiel | cut-off or rounding, decide! |
| 17:15.54 | cladhaire | so |
| 17:15.58 | cladhaire | anyone have a deDE client? |
| 17:15.59 | cog|away | lua doesn't actually differentiate the two |
| 17:16.05 | cladhaire | or some other non-en EU client? |
| 17:16.06 | cog|away | you just have a "number" |
| 17:16.07 | Llyarn | cut-off⦠canât find the function in PIL |
| 17:16.13 | Shirik | I have a non-enEU client |
| 17:16.14 | cog|away | math.floor |
| 17:16.17 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: i'm afraid so, but i only start it if i _really_ have to |
| 17:16.21 | Llyarn | thx :) |
| 17:16.33 | cladhaire | if so, can you tell me what /dump string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f", 45, 61) shows |
| 17:16.57 | cladhaire | as well as /dump string.format("%0.2f : %0.2f", 45, 61) |
| 17:17.00 | nevcairiel | beta client works, yes? |
| 17:17.53 | cladhaire | as long as its localized for non english |
| 17:17.54 | cladhaire | i hope |
| 17:18.07 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25896 |
| 17:18.20 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.01 | Shirik | look at the script effect to see what it is |
| 17:19.05 | nevcairiel | wtf cladhaire, i dont get the result |
| 17:19.10 | nevcairiel | its weird |
| 17:19.11 | Shirik | Apply Aura: Movement Slowing Effect Duration (12) |
| 17:19.11 | Shirik | Value: -10 |
| 17:19.24 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: It gives 45.00, 61.00 doesn't it :P |
| 17:19.26 | Adys | i know |
| 17:19.28 | cladhaire | err |
| 17:19.29 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: no |
| 17:19.30 | Adys | just found it funny |
| 17:19.32 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: It gives 45.00, 61,00 doesn't it :P |
| 17:19.34 | nevcairiel | 45.00, 61,00 |
| 17:19.35 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 17:19.37 | cladhaire | yep |
| 17:19.38 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 17:19.40 | cladhaire | its a bug somewhere |
| 17:19.40 | nevcairiel | totally weird |
| 17:19.43 | cladhaire | just need to figure out where. |
| 17:19.58 | nevcairiel | the second one is fine |
| 17:20.06 | nevcairiel | 45,00 : 61,00 |
| 17:20.06 | cladhaire | OH |
| 17:20.07 | cladhaire | good to know |
| 17:20.09 | nevcairiel | both using , |
| 17:20.13 | cladhaire | oh |
| 17:20.14 | cladhaire | that's bad |
| 17:20.17 | cladhaire | but intersting |
| 17:20.18 | cladhaire | OH! |
| 17:20.21 | nevcairiel | well thats just german locale |
| 17:20.23 | Shirik | OH! |
| 17:20.29 | nevcairiel | 1.000.000,00 |
| 17:20.32 | nevcairiel | one million :P |
| 17:20.34 | cladhaire | do string.format("%0.2f,, %0.2f,", 45, 61) |
| 17:20.50 | Yssaril | yea germany uses , instead of . |
| 17:20.54 | nevcairiel | 45.00,, 61.00 |
| 17:20.55 | cladhaire | yes I know this |
| 17:21.03 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 17:21.11 | cladhaire | so the trailing comma "fixes" it |
| 17:21.13 | cladhaire | btu its displayed |
| 17:21.15 | cladhaire | how odd! |
| 17:21.26 | Shirik | cladhaire? |
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| 17:21.45 | cladhaire | I just have to write a custom string.format for this then |
| 17:21.46 | Shirik | I thought it fixed the second one? Unless I'm going crazy. I should probably be quiet |
| 17:21.59 | cladhaire | Shirik: I need them in xx.xx format |
| 17:22.10 | cladhaire | however, as seen by the example i had nev run, the normal string.format doesn't do this |
| 17:22.11 | Shirik | Yeah, it was 61,00 that was with a comma :/ |
| 17:22.12 | Shirik | no? |
| 17:22.27 | cladhaire | I'm not sure what you're saying |
| 17:22.32 | cladhaire | my point is |
| 17:22.53 | cladhaire | when you trail %0.2f with a comma, i.e. %0.2f, it DISPLAYS the comma but uses a decimal point as the separator |
| 17:23.00 | Shirik | "(12:19:25) (nevcairiel) 45.00, 61,00" You want that to be "45.00, 61.00". Isn't that what putting the trailing comma fixed? |
| 17:23.15 | nevcairiel | but the comma is displayed |
| 17:23.15 | Shirik | I didn't see it displaying the comma on the second one after it fixed. (12:20:45) (nevcairiel) 45.00,, 61.00 |
| 17:23.22 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: would you mind experimenting with putting a comma somewhere else in the format string |
| 17:23.30 | cladhaire | Shirik: could you please re-state the question? |
| 17:23.38 | cladhaire | there is no solution except a custom function right now |
| 17:23.42 | cladhaire | that's what I'm trying to fix |
| 17:23.43 | Shirik | Why aren't you just doing string.format("%0.2f, %0.2f,", 45, 61) |
| 17:23.47 | cladhaire | ... |
| 17:23.51 | cladhaire | because |
| 17:23.54 | cladhaire | there is a trailing comma |
| 17:24.00 | cladhaire | so i'd have to :sub(1, -1) |
| 17:24.03 | Shirik | but it iddn't display that unless nevcairiel didn't ocpy it |
| 17:24.04 | Shirik | copy* |
| 17:24.08 | Shirik | didn't* |
| 17:24.15 | Shirik | (12:20:45) (nevcairiel) 45.00,, 61.00 |
| 17:24.16 | nevcairiel | how weird |
| 17:24.27 | cladhaire | I just need a format string I can use on all wow locales :P |
| 17:24.31 | nevcairiel | %0.2f%0.2f gives 45.0061.00 |
| 17:24.33 | nevcairiel | no comma |
| 17:24.34 | nevcairiel | dots |
| 17:24.36 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 17:24.38 | cladhaire | but i can just write my own function, as its probably safer that way |
| 17:24.45 | cladhaire | very odd! |
| 17:24.51 | Shirik | nevcairiel broke it |
| 17:25.17 | nevcairiel | well Lua probably just sends it to C directly |
| 17:25.19 | nevcairiel | or wait |
| 17:25.21 | nevcairiel | no they dont |
| 17:25.26 | nevcairiel | they have special tokens |
| 17:25.30 | nevcairiel | that C doesnt do |
| 17:25.31 | clad|away | *nod* |
| 17:25.39 | clad|away | and I can't tell if its a lua issue or a wow-lua issue |
| 17:25.58 | |pez| | ... I can't figure out how to restart lighthttpd on my server. |
| 17:26.04 | Shirik | actually, nevcairiel, string.format has fallen to C bugs in the past. My understanding is that Lua handles its special strings and then passes it to C |
| 17:26.10 | Shirik | However WoW might do it differently |
| 17:26.18 | p3lim | haste: odd that it doesnt |
| 17:26.35 | clad|away | stock Lua doesn't seem to have an issue with this |
| 17:26.40 | p3lim | haste: ok it doesnt work on the focus :p |
| 17:27.03 | nevcairiel | i cant seem to get stock lua to use locale dependant notation at all |
| 17:27.09 | nevcairiel | on my german windows, that is |
| 17:27.14 | clad|away | os.setlocale("de_DE") |
| 17:27.22 | clad|away | will output comma as decimal sep |
| 17:27.37 | nevcairiel | not for me, lol :) |
| 17:27.47 | clad|away | lua> os.setlocale("de_DE"); print( |
| 17:27.47 | lua_bot | clad|away: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 17:27.57 | clad|away | lua> os.setlocale("de_DE"); print(string.format("%0.2f%0.2f", 45, 61)) |
| 17:27.58 | lua_bot | clad|away: 45.0061.00 |
| 17:28.02 | clad|away | lua> os.setlocale("de_DE"); print(string.format("%0.2f %0.2f", 45, 61)) |
| 17:28.02 | lua_bot | clad|away: 45.00 61.00 |
| 17:28.07 | clad|away | lol apparently not on this machine either |
| 17:28.11 | clad|away | guess it depends on .. .something |
| 17:28.26 | clad|away | but on my machine that line outputs 45,00 61,00 |
| 17:28.33 | nevcairiel | *shrug* |
| 17:28.35 | clad|away | which leads me to believe that wow is handling this somehow |
| 17:28.43 | nevcairiel | but wrong |
| 17:28.47 | clad|away | ah well, custom function it is! |
| 17:29.06 | Shirik | for something like that it can't be too hard |
| 17:29.15 | Shirik | so long as you're not trying to create something that has to parse a format string |
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| 17:29.40 | clad|away | I'm not, i just need to output us style coods |
| 17:29.40 | clad|away | given an x,y |
| 17:29.40 | nevcairiel | if you just want the output, it should be easy |
| 17:30.01 | Shirik | that was ....odd |
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| 17:30.48 | clad|away | aye, just was really suprised by wow's output |
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| 17:31.20 | nevcairiel | its totally inconsistent |
| 17:31.23 | clad|away | yep |
| 17:31.53 | nevcairiel | apparently it needs a speace after the format string to actually use the locale mode |
| 17:31.58 | clad|away | yeah |
| 17:32.10 | clad|away | but not in stock lua |
| 17:32.10 | nevcairiel | thats why your trailing comma fixed it, and my version without space made it dots too |
| 17:32.12 | clad|away | it always does it |
| 17:34.47 | clad|away | thanks for the help nevcairiel, Shirik |
| 17:34.54 | clad|away | lua> pp(os) |
| 17:34.55 | lua_bot | clad|away: { ["difftime"] = function: 0x806d490, ["time"] = function: 0x806b510, ["setlocale"] = function: 0x806b4d8, ["clock"] = function: 0x806d420, ["date"] = function: 0x806d458 } (#1) |
| 17:34.55 | Shirik | I was helping? |
| 17:35.01 | clad|away | Shirik: i hate you. |
| 17:35.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:37.40 | clad|away | bbl :P |
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| 17:37.58 | Shirik | You know what I'm really in the mood for lately? |
| 17:38.00 | Shirik | Starcraft |
| 17:41.12 | Shirik | how is Chardonnay? |
| 17:41.16 | Shirik | I know nothing of wines |
| 17:43.05 | sacarasc | they're made from grapes |
| 17:43.10 | Shirik | ... |
| 17:43.33 | |pez| | and taste icky. |
| 17:44.00 | cog|away | Shirik: depends on how much you spend on one |
| 17:44.05 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:44.14 | Shirik | cheap = bad? |
| 17:44.33 | cog|away | well, that's the general trend when it comes to wine ;) |
| 17:44.44 | cog|away | obviously there are exceptions though |
| 17:45.44 | cog|away | have you had sauvignon blanc? |
| 17:46.14 | daveb | chardonnay tends to be one of the dryer white wines |
| 17:46.18 | Shirik | It's normally priced at $100 |
| 17:46.21 | Shirik | that seems expensive to me |
| 17:46.28 | cog|away | Shirik: that's a bit high imo |
| 17:46.34 | daveb | yes, it is. |
| 17:46.39 | daveb | whats the name of it? |
| 17:46.43 | Shirik | Oh that's per case |
| 17:46.51 | cog|away | oh... then that's pretty cheap :P |
| 17:47.06 | cog|away | probably wouldn't be bad |
| 17:47.22 | cog|away | but the really good chards do get up into the $40/bottle + range |
| 17:47.44 | Shirik | Strange reason I ask this: Woot has it for $40/case |
| 17:48.17 | cog|away | probably not something i'd give out as a gift :P |
| 17:48.21 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:48.29 | Shirik | I don't do much gift buying |
| 17:48.47 | Shirik | And certainly not on something I have no clue about (i.e., wines) |
| 17:49.46 | daveb | I wouldn't give a chardonnay as a gift, imo |
| 17:50.14 | Shirik | I wouldn't give any wine as a gift until I am fully cultured and know wtf I'm buying |
| 17:50.19 | cog|away | 'cause it would all be gone by the time you went to wrap it? |
| 17:50.20 | daveb | hah |
| 17:50.44 | cog|away | (@ daveb) |
| 17:51.11 | daveb | nah... |
| 17:51.17 | daveb | I'm a dry red person |
| 17:51.28 | cog|away | so pinot noir then? |
| 17:51.33 | daveb | cabernets/syrah.. |
| 17:51.57 | daveb | pinot noir isn't bad as a red..I would prefer a pinot grigio over the noir |
| 17:52.03 | Shirik | It's all greek to me :/ |
| 17:52.11 | haste | p3lim: I'm being told that tags work fine, except for the initial update, which isn't in yet |
| 17:52.37 | mikma | lies |
| 17:52.43 | mikma | ss or it didnt work |
| 17:52.44 | p3lim | hm |
| 17:52.47 | cog|away | Shirik: if you really want to get acquainted with wine, i'd suggest going to a liquor store and buying a mixed case of around ~$10-20/bottle wines |
| 17:52.54 | cog|away | a decent liquor store |
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| 17:53.03 | Shirik | I have a problem with going to liquor stores |
| 17:53.07 | mikma | run, is the tekkub |
| 17:53.16 | Tekkub | oh noes |
| 17:53.20 | haste | Shirik: what have I done :P ? |
| 17:53.22 | daveb | thats a good suggestion...our local store has a "Great at $8" section |
| 17:54.11 | Shirik | The only place like tihs I would be willing to enter is probably World Market |
| 17:54.45 | p3lim | haste: this is the fontstring etc i use: http://pastey.net/100471 |
| 17:54.53 | Shirik | Not to mention I don't even have a corkscrew |
| 17:54.59 | Shirik | And if I did have one, I wouldn't know how to use it |
| 17:55.03 | cog|away | get screwcaps :P |
| 17:55.10 | Shirik | those exist? |
| 17:55.11 | cog|away | there's plenty of decent wines these days with screw caps |
| 17:55.22 | p3lim | screwcaps sucks |
| 17:55.30 | haste | p3lim: there's no initial update, ofc that string won't work |
| 17:55.56 | p3lim | haste: is there something I can do, or is it oUF's fault? |
| 17:56.03 | cog|away | oh and Shirik... you're studying to be an engineer... figure it out ffs :P |
| 17:56.06 | haste | as mentioned |
| 17:56.10 | haste | the tags are incomplete |
| 17:56.18 | haste | the system to handle that isn't written |
| 17:56.20 | mikma | EVERYTHING is oUF's fault |
| 17:57.14 | Shirik | cog|away: My understanding is that engineers don't have time to drink wine. Beer is the only solution. |
| 17:57.47 | cog|away | wine's more efficient though... |
| 17:58.05 | cog|away | but if that were the prime motivator i suppose everclear would be the choice of geeks |
| 17:58.11 | haste | can give you a mighty headache the next day however! |
| 17:58.23 | mikma | yes i can |
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| 18:19.19 | selckin | 1834 for 1-375 for me |
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| 18:21.06 | zenzelezz | I hate the cooking dailies... still haven't got the cake recipe |
| 18:21.35 | selckin | my mate has done it every day since release |
| 18:21.36 | selckin | no cake |
| 18:22.43 | Llyarn | here's another one: how do I get frame's anchoring data? I need offsets only |
| 18:27.47 | Pneumatus | frame:GetPoint()? |
| 18:34.01 | Llyarn | aha, got there already⦠thanks anyway :) |
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| 18:49.23 | clad|away | !api mod |
| 18:49.23 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'mod' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/mod |
| 18:49.27 | clad|away | hrm |
| 18:49.37 | clad|away | that's not what I wanted P |
| 18:50.46 | Shirik | haxxxxx |
| 18:50.59 | Shirik | Just killed a raid boss |
| 18:51.00 | Shirik | no badges |
| 18:52.20 | Llyarn | point me please at any good debugging/inspecting addons |
| 18:52.39 | kd3 | ~devtools |
| 18:52.40 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 18:52.55 | zenzelezz | Shirik: which boss? |
| 18:53.18 | Llyarn | thx! |
| 18:57.02 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Lucifron |
| 18:58.16 | zenzelezz | well duh :-p |
| 19:00.03 | clad|away | other than how nasty this is.. anyone have any suggestions.. this is just a quick run |
| 19:00.03 | clad|away | lua> function makecoord(x) local xi, xf = math.modf(x); xf = string.format("%0.2f", xf):sub(3, -1); return xi .. "." .. xf end; print(makecoord(13), makecoord(13.13), makecoord(3.14159)) |
| 19:00.04 | lua_bot | clad|away: 13.00, 13.13, 3.14 |
| 19:00.20 | clad|away | certainly not very resilient, but it should "Work" |
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| 19:18.12 | Tekkub | cladhaire, has head updated SW and EPL coords yet? :P |
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| 19:21.45 | krka | cladhaire: what is that supposed to do? |
| 19:23.28 | mikma | x y z? (wishes) |
| 19:26.56 | krka | are you just trying to avoid the rounding from string.format? |
| 19:27.11 | krka | or that locale bug? |
| 19:28.06 | haste | locale bug |
| 19:29.32 | krka | can't you just use string.format as usual and replace , with .? |
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| 19:51.45 | cladhaire | krka: its to fix the local bug |
| 19:51.49 | cladhaire | but this will always work, is why i did it |
| 19:52.45 | cladhaire | instead of worrying about them "fixing" the bug, or having it behave differently in other locales |
| 19:53.51 | krka | does the bug only occur when doing multiple %f in a single format? |
| 19:54.01 | krka | or at %f followed by ,? |
| 19:54.18 | krka | you could if so, replace the , prior to the format and then replace it back |
| 19:57.50 | cladhaire | Well, I don't want to rely on the behavior of string.format in any circumstance |
| 19:58.09 | cladhaire | this is just a simple gsub, so it only gets called a few times and the code I pasted while not pretty should "work" :P |
| 20:00.47 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_110208_024933.jpg |
| 20:00.57 | krka | any git-expert here? |
| 20:01.39 | krka | i have a local git repository on my workstation, how do i copy it to my server, and reconfigure my local repository to use the server as a master? |
| 20:01.44 | krka | or maybe i am thinking about it the wrong way |
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| 20:02.49 | cladhaire | you're thinking about it in a non-distributed way |
| 20:03.05 | krka | possibly! |
| 20:03.05 | cladhaire | but in short, you can copy the files somewhere, and do a git clone |
| 20:03.19 | cladhaire | then you can go back to your workstation and change the origin remove to be your server |
| 20:03.21 | cladhaire | or |
| 20:03.24 | cladhaire | just re-clone from the server |
| 20:03.27 | cladhaire | which is easiest |
| 20:03.36 | krka | my server clones the workstation? |
| 20:03.44 | krka | then my workstation can pull updates from the server? |
| 20:04.28 | cladhaire | once you've re-cloned |
| 20:04.28 | cladhaire | yep |
| 20:04.38 | cladhaire | you can add it as a remote either way and pull from it |
| 20:04.48 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/barrens.jpg |
| 20:05.48 | bleeter | 3.0.3 went to Live? /me slaps GC |
| 20:06.03 | linear` | hm rly |
| 20:06.15 | zenzelezz | mikma: fail... no Mankirks wife :( |
| 20:06.15 | mikma | liar! |
| 20:06.23 | krka | hmm... pushing didn't work, i suppose it's because i did git init on both of them |
| 20:06.27 | mikma | zenzelezz: i didn't fail, i just found it |
| 20:06.36 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.37 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065191999&sid=1&pageNo=3#51 "By then, 3.0.3 was already out on Live." poor guy no doubt overworked and underpaid teehee |
| 20:08.30 | cladhaire | krka: why are you trying to push? |
| 20:09.15 | cladhaire | You should be able to 1.) clone the workstation repository on your server, 2.) clone the new server respository on the workstation |
| 20:09.18 | cladhaire | Then you can push to the server |
| 20:09.40 | cladhaire | although, this gets a bit tricky |
| 20:09.46 | Kraps | my crit is 8.68, should i gem for crit or def? |
| 20:10.01 | cladhaire | krka: mind trying something for me |
| 20:10.05 | Kraps | def is 427 |
| 20:10.05 | cladhaire | will just take a second, and should solve this issue |
| 20:10.07 | cladhaire | i forgot I had it |
| 20:11.33 | cladhaire | sent it in PMs |
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| 20:14.27 | Codex| | is there a way to bound the last typed chat input to a key? lets say the last thign i typed (if i scroll UP in my chat frame thru its memory once) is /target whatever. can i stick this onto an actionbar somehow? some sort of macro that scrolls up thru ur chat once and redoes that? |
| 20:14.43 | Codex| | easier to do that from a keybinding on ur action bar then press enter, scroll up, enter, scroll up |
| 20:16.17 | Codex| | no? |
| 20:16.45 | Gngsk | you could write a secure frame maybe |
| 20:16.52 | Gngsk | something /stickytar whatever |
| 20:16.57 | Gngsk | then press keybinding |
| 20:17.05 | Gngsk | course, you'd have to be ooc |
| 20:17.25 | Codex| | ooc? |
| 20:17.30 | Gngsk | out of combat |
| 20:17.34 | Codex| | oh |
| 20:17.48 | Codex| | theres no easier chat api command? |
| 20:17.53 | Codex| | like a lastenteredtext() :P |
| 20:19.29 | Codex| | Gngsk: also, is there a way to add a confirmation dialgoe to an item that has a Use on it |
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| 20:19.42 | Codex| | incase u dont want to use it, or throw it, if its a snowball or a flying machine etc |
| 20:20.24 | Gngsk | uh, you could create a custom popup i guess |
| 20:20.33 | Codex| | how would i hook it to an item? |
| 20:21.23 | Gngsk | depends, how would you be using it? clicking it from your inv? or on an action button? |
| 20:21.33 | Tem | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/71f93313c5eb01df9a669fac3911f8ed.PNG |
| 20:21.44 | Codex| | on the inventory |
| 20:22.02 | selckin | why is parry so bad? |
| 20:22.05 | Gngsk | could hook the OnClick script for the inv button |
| 20:22.34 | Gngsk | selckin, it's item budget cost is like double that of dodge |
| 20:22.54 | Tem | because parry has a lower cap |
| 20:23.08 | Tem | and because it costs ~50 parry rating to get 1% parry before DR |
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| 20:23.29 | mikma | gammatester sounds like a druguser |
| 20:23.30 | Tem | (where dodge is only ~40 rating) |
| 20:23.37 | UltraNurd | afternoon all |
| 20:23.57 | UltraNurd | so... I've gotten two reports on Curse for one of my mods that it's creating an out of stack error for some people |
| 20:24.01 | UltraNurd | and I've never had that bug |
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| 20:24.14 | UltraNurd | any idea how I track that down, beyond assigning it to PEBKAC? |
| 20:24.45 | Tem | do you recurse at all? |
| 20:27.12 | UltraNurd | no. all it does is hook the chatmessage function to prepend some text if certain conditions are met |
| 20:27.32 | UltraNurd | is there maybe some string a user could set in my mod's config that could cause that to harf? |
| 20:27.35 | Tem | oh |
| 20:27.38 | UltraNurd | or an interaction with another mod? |
| 20:27.46 | Tem | it's most likely interaction with another addon |
| 20:27.58 | Shirik | So where the hell did the phrase "<Adjective1> <Noun1> is <Adjective1>" come from? |
| 20:28.11 | Tem | dumb question is dumb |
| 20:28.21 | Shirik | .... |
| 20:28.21 | UltraNurd | yeah. so I don't have whatever they have, something that also hooks that function |
| 20:28.24 | Tem | Shirik, 4chan |
| 20:28.26 | haste | Shirik: 4chan |
| 20:28.29 | Shirik | oh god |
| 20:28.37 | Shirik | I am very glad I didn't know the answer to that question, then |
| 20:28.38 | Tem | where do all memes on the internet come from? |
| 20:28.49 | UltraNurd | 4chan, aka the Internet School for Memetic Excellence |
| 20:28.50 | haste | Tem: EbaumsWordl |
| 20:28.58 | Tem | haste, true story |
| 20:30.00 | UltraNurd | so am I hooking the function unsafely? I'm pretty much just doing OriginalSendChatMessage = SendChatMessage; SendChatMessage = MySendChatMessage; |
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| 20:30.10 | UltraNurd | and then MySendChatMessage calls OriginalSendChatMessage when it's done |
| 20:30.21 | UltraNurd | and it's worked for me without problem for over a year |
| 20:30.27 | Tem | it's possible, UltraNurd that it isn't even your fault |
| 20:30.29 | UltraNurd | and not of the (mostly in my guild) users have complained before |
| 20:30.33 | UltraNurd | *not one |
| 20:30.50 | UltraNurd | oh, I bet I know what the issue is |
| 20:31.00 | UltraNurd | I had to rename my mod. |
| 20:31.05 | UltraNurd | and I bet they have the previous version installed |
| 20:31.10 | UltraNurd | alongside the new one |
| 20:31.22 | UltraNurd | and so the function hook keeps getting assigned and assigned and assigned |
| 20:31.54 | UltraNurd | we hates global namespaces |
| 20:32.15 | Tem | ... |
| 20:35.36 | p3lim | haste: party tags partially works now |
| 20:35.46 | haste | partially? |
| 20:36.20 | haste | it should in just the same level the rest of the tags work |
| 20:36.35 | p3lim | well |
| 20:36.46 | UltraNurd | so Tem, can I just chalk that up to user error and make it clear that they need to uninstall the old version? |
| 20:37.00 | p3lim | haste: Interface\AddOns\oUF\elements\tags.lua:179: Usage: UnitName("unit") |
| 20:37.09 | Tem | UltraNurd, probably? |
| 20:37.10 | UltraNurd | (the naming issue was because of people using WoWMatrix pulling down the version of the mod that I rewrote to replace, which was very out of date) |
| 20:37.20 | Tem | yeah no |
| 20:37.21 | haste | p3lim: stack or don't try to debug |
| 20:37.39 | Lyn | laalala |
| 20:37.45 | Tem | have zero sympathy for people using wowmatrix |
| 20:38.02 | UltraNurd | I told all my guildies to stop using it |
| 20:38.05 | Tem | in fact, if you could detect those users and make your addon deliberatly NOT work, I'd do it |
| 20:38.06 | p3lim | haste: http://pastey.net/100496 |
| 20:38.13 | p3lim | thats the two bugs i keep getting |
| 20:38.21 | haste | second is unrelated |
| 20:38.29 | p3lim | to tags, yes |
| 20:38.32 | haste | and oUF |
| 20:38.33 | p3lim | to oUF, no |
| 20:38.38 | p3lim | how can it be? |
| 20:38.43 | UltraNurd | but strictly speaking, I should have come up with a different name in the first place. I was replacing an unmainted mod, which then got updated after I released my "version 2" |
| 20:38.44 | haste | wait till 3.0.3 |
| 20:38.52 | p3lim | oh its a blizzard bug? |
| 20:38.59 | cladhaire | so with refer-a-friend levels.. can I grant the level I gained at level 3.. on someone who is already say, level 40 |
| 20:39.02 | cladhaire | as long as I am higher than them? |
| 20:39.15 | cladhaire | i.e. are they tagged with the level you gained, or are they just "levels" |
| 20:40.06 | Xuerian | Just levels I believe |
| 20:40.25 | |pez| | Damnit, Prowl keeps enabling itself. |
| 20:43.37 | Tem | cladhaire, just levels :) |
| 20:43.44 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 20:44.03 | foxlit | Oh wow |
| 20:44.29 | foxlit | When RA3 packaging promised parachuting bears with lasers, they weren't kidding :/ |
| 20:48.32 | mikma | |pez|: enabling itself? |
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| 20:50.19 | Xuerian | foxlit: You haven't been watching the whole RA3 preview saga? |
| 20:50.30 | foxlit | no, screw spoilers :) |
| 20:50.57 | foxlit | wait, is that the first RA2 allied mission layout and style for the first soviet mission? |
| 20:52.52 | zenzelezz | |pez|: hunter? |
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| 21:11.44 | kd3 | egah. why the hell do I even have /2 turned on? |
| 21:12.50 | zenzelezz | when I'm in a town and there is a /2, I often find myself wishing there was an achievement for reporting X gold sellers |
| 21:13.24 | UltraNurd | I don't think I've been in a world channel in about 2 years. |
| 21:14.01 | zenzelezz | world channel? As in any of the default channels? |
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| 21:17.43 | nevcairiel | man the new blizz forum layout sucks |
| 21:17.58 | nevcairiel | you cant find important blue posts anymore without reading all answers to the QQ flame |
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| 21:18.10 | nevcairiel | i dont care about paladin QQ ffs |
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| 21:19.03 | vithos_ | haste: just tested latest git and the castbar doesn't disappear :) |
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| 21:42.39 | Xuerian | kd3: I just make a -t channel for when I don't want to see the shit. |
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| 21:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. are there any addons to monitor damage on various shield spells thats updated to use the new combat log 'absorbed' info? |
| 21:43.19 | haste | vithos_: good to hear :) |
| 21:43.32 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: There is one on wowi |
| 21:43.38 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: It apparently handles most all shields |
| 21:43.51 | NightHawkTheSane | does i have a name? :P |
| 21:43.54 | NightHawkTheSane | it* |
| 21:43.59 | Xuerian | Don't know if you do, but I don't remember it's :p |
| 21:44.33 | NightHawkTheSane | its* :p |
| 21:48.07 | Xuerian | Go find it yourself, ass :p |
| 21:48.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i did, actually |
| 21:48.23 | Xuerian | Thought so, just wanted to say it anyway |
| 21:48.34 | Xuerian | Speaking of which, I need to go get it myself |
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| 21:48.50 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 21:49.20 | NightHawkTheSane | that reminds me, i need to pester whoever's maintaining grid these days |
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| 21:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | grid really needs a "mine/not mine/don't care" flag for auras |
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| 22:01.16 | Tem | erm |
| 22:01.17 | Tem | wtf? |
| 22:01.24 | Tem | there's a level 61 and a level 69 in my eots |
| 22:01.28 | Tem | I am level 70 |
| 22:02.11 | Iriel | Maybe you've been demoted |
| 22:04.23 | Lyn | http://www.asciimation.co.nz/tardis/index.html awww ... i will build my own cabinet :DD |
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| 22:06.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ecole] by ChanServ |
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| 22:06.49 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 22:11.44 | cog|away | looks like we successfully derailed that wowmatrix thread <.< |
| 22:11.45 | cog|away | >.> |
| 22:13.45 | Lyn | :D |
| 22:18.51 | Tem | cog|away, link? |
| 22:19.28 | cog|away | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10871018107&sid=1&pageNo=19#378 |
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| 22:20.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ghost] by ChanServ |
| 22:21.23 | Shirik|Ecole | rawr |
| 22:21.44 | cog|away | NO U! |
| 22:21.47 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 22:21.53 | Shirik|Ecole | u not allowed to talk u iz away |
| 22:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik|Ecole |
| 22:22.24 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik|Ecole with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:22.24 | cog|away | I wonder how often :( is the second thing you say when you join... |
| 22:22.34 | cog|away | compared to everyone else |
| 22:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: |
| 22:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo failrick |
| 22:22.47 | purl | failrick -- created by Seerah <n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-4-118.mem.bellsouth.net> at Thu Oct 2 03:27:02 2008 (31 days); it has been requested once, last by Seerah at Wed Oct 1 21:27:08 2008. |
| 22:22.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh boo |
| 22:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrick |
| 22:22.56 | purl | rumour has it, failrick is Shirik's been Rick Rolled! |
| 22:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 22:23.14 | Seerah | ~failrik |
| 22:23.15 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 22:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Duh |
| 22:23.23 | Seerah | :) |
| 22:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo failrik |
| 22:23.24 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (230 days); it has been requested 170 times, last by Seerah, 9s ago. |
| 22:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 22:23.33 | cog|away | haha |
| 22:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | "requested 170 times" |
| 22:23.35 | Seerah | I created failrick when people were typoing it ;) |
| 22:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was after |
| 22:23.42 | Cide | 230 days, 170 times :P |
| 22:23.59 | cog|away | Seerah: lol |
| 22:24.10 | ccox | he's so fail that he can't even be failed correctly? |
| 22:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that description |
| 22:24.44 | cog|away | Shirik|Ecole: i'll pitch in if you ever need antidepressants |
| 22:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to go with that |
| 22:25.54 | Shirik|Ecole | that would be an interesting test, cog|away |
| 22:26.07 | Shirik|Ecole | This sounds like a job for grep! |
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| 22:26.23 | cog|away | have fun :) |
| 22:26.31 | NightHawkTheSane | what the fuck is wrong with people, seriously? |
| 22:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | org is a fucking -massive- city, and i swear everyone wants to fish RIGHT the fuck on top of me. |
| 22:27.03 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: tried to pvp with alliance in a battleground? :) |
| 22:27.16 | cbreak | you will see much more wrong than just fishing |
| 22:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: thats why i don't pvp |
| 22:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | I got tired of reporting half my team in AV for exploiting the inignia :p |
| 22:27.48 | cbreak | when I fished in org, people kept away from me. Maybe because I was alliance :) |
| 22:27.58 | cbreak | exploiting the insignia? |
| 22:28.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you can use your frostwolf/stormpike insignia to recall to your base before the match starts |
| 22:28.20 | kd3 | it's possible to use it to escape the tunnel before the game starts |
| 22:29.34 | Shirik|Ecole | not as many as you'd think, cog|away, though it is rather high |
| 22:29.38 | Xuerian | Why bother reporting them? |
| 22:29.52 | Xuerian | save it for something really annoying, like them bitching constantly |
| 22:29.59 | Shirik|Ecole | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~/spambot $ cat ./nohup.out | grep -A 45 "Shirik JOIN :#[Ww][Oo][Ww][Uu][Ii][Dd][Ee][Vv]" | grep PRIVMSG | grep ":(" | wc -l |
| 22:29.59 | Shirik|Ecole | 10 |
| 22:30.08 | cog|away | huh... vista has a built-in option to go dvorak in the accessibility options |
| 22:30.37 | cog|away | "Add a Dvorak keyboard and change other keyboard input settings" |
| 22:30.42 | Xuerian | cog|away: Vista is ME, the odd child with a few new features but no idea how to use them |
| 22:30.51 | Shirik|Ecole | I know how to use them |
| 22:30.54 | cog|away | Xuerian: and it's pretty :P |
| 22:31.05 | Xuerian | Shirik: We don't care about yu. |
| 22:31.14 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 22:31.14 | Xuerian | cog|away: indeed it is. Crappy expose clone, mm |
| 22:31.23 | cog|away | thing is, *I've* learned how to use the new features and I have a hard time without them at work :( |
| 22:31.36 | NightHawkTheSane | it's going to be a long day |
| 22:31.38 | Shirik|Ecole | agree |
| 22:31.41 | Xuerian | It was more a joke, and I wasn't implying we/users didn't know how to use them |
| 22:31.42 | cog|away | ~hug NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:31.42 | purl | ACTION jumps into NightHawkTheSane's lap and huggles and *hugs* NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:31.46 | Xuerian | :P |
| 22:31.49 | NightHawkTheSane | only two skillups and i've already reported 3 people |
| 22:32.00 | cog|away | Xuerian: i know :P |
| 22:32.12 | Shirik|Ecole | NightHawkTheSane: Reported? |
| 22:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: harassment. |
| 22:33.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm just confused what skillups has to do with this |
| 22:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it's hard to skillup when people are literally harassing you while fishing |
| 22:34.03 | Shirik|Ecole | ahh |
| 22:34.04 | Shirik|Ecole | fishing |
| 22:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | make that 5 people |
| 22:34.12 | cncfanatics | they are ? :o |
| 22:34.19 | cncfanatics | I fish quite often and never had any problems |
| 22:34.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | people being douchebags, standing on top of lures, fishing precisely on top of you, etc. |
| 22:35.01 | cncfanatics | not like it'll get them anything but a warning |
| 22:35.02 | cncfanatics | and even then :p |
| 22:35.12 | cncfanatics | prolly won't even get em that sadly |
| 22:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly |
| 22:35.22 | NightHawkTheSane | if it were me, it'd be a permabadn |
| 22:35.28 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 22:35.36 | cncfanatics | luckly for me, horde doesn't fish on my server |
| 22:35.38 | cncfanatics | and I'm horde |
| 22:35.44 | Shirik|Ecole | cog|away: There is one thing that annoys me about vista that I haven't figured out yet if it exists |
| 22:35.44 | cncfanatics | so I can just kill my fellow fishers |
| 22:35.47 | Shirik|Ecole | How I can rearrange my taskbar |
| 22:35.59 | cog|away | right-click, unlock? |
| 22:36.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean the actual programs |
| 22:36.20 | Shirik|Ecole | like |
| 22:36.20 | Shirik|Ecole | the running ones |
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| 22:36.26 | Xuerian | Find a app to do it? Lifehacker should have a few |
| 22:36.35 | cog|away | hmm... i've found it works the same way as xp so it hasn't bothered me |
| 22:36.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I would prefer not to install a third party program to mess with explorer :) |
| 22:36.48 | Xuerian | Shirik: YOu're boned then |
| 22:36.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I have only had bad experiences with that in the past |
| 22:36.50 | Xuerian | you can't by default |
| 22:36.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ESPECIALLY a programmed named "Lifehacker" |
| 22:37.02 | Xuerian | ... |
| 22:37.04 | Xuerian | Lifehacker |
| 22:37.04 | Xuerian | the site |
| 22:37.09 | cncfanatics | I heard gnome does it fine :p |
| 22:37.11 | Xuerian | Stop being paranoid, you know better. |
| 22:37.31 | nevcairiel | people really care to sort their taskbar? o.O |
| 22:37.36 | Shirik|Ecole | He will haxor my life :( |
| 22:37.37 | nevcairiel | they are already grouped by app |
| 22:37.42 | Shirik|Ecole | No I turned that off |
| 22:37.45 | Shirik|Ecole | that's annoying as hell |
| 22:37.57 | nevcairiel | works fine for me |
| 22:38.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm trying to debug an IRC-based application so I have to switch between copies of mirc |
| 22:38.07 | Shirik|Ecole | Having to click twice is way too much |
| 22:38.23 | Shirik|Ecole | So I'd prefer to have visual studio and the two copies of mirc right next to each other |
| 22:38.31 | cncfanatics | I didn't even know windows didn't let you rearrange it :o so used to just dragging stuff on my laptop |
| 22:38.40 | nevcairiel | Shirik|Ecole: start them in the right order =P |
| 22:38.45 | Shirik|Ecole | A bit late now! |
| 22:38.54 | nevcairiel | learn to think ahead, imho |
| 22:39.01 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: I think windows actualy sorts them alphabeticaly |
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| 22:39.08 | nevcairiel | no it doesnt |
| 22:39.09 | cncfanatics | not sure about that though |
| 22:39.12 | nevcairiel | by starting order |
| 22:39.16 | Xuerian | Shirik: http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-windows-download/reorder-your-taskbar-and-system-tray-with-taskbar-shuffle-279381.php |
| 22:39.20 | nevcairiel | except if it groups them |
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| 22:40.46 | Xuerian | Shirik: or http://taskix.robustit.com/ |
| 22:41.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Omfg Xuerian |
| 22:41.51 | Shirik|Ecole | That site is worse than WoW addon users |
| 22:42.10 | Xuerian | lulz |
| 22:42.10 | Shirik|Ecole | "As much as I liked previous versions of Taskbar Shuffle, its footprint always seemed a little too big to gain startup privileges. After taking a look at the latest, thoughwhich includes taskbar reordering, system tray reordering (by holding Ctrl while dragging), and middle-click window button closingTaskbar Shuffle has more than proved itself worth the 6MB memory footprint its uses." |
| 22:42.19 | Shirik|Ecole | OH NOES NOT 6MB!!! I WILL RUN OUT OF MEMORY! |
| 22:42.22 | Xuerian | Shirik: Again, you know better |
| 22:42.31 | Xuerian | Don't listen to the users all the time. |
| 22:42.50 | Xuerian | Or do you just wanna bitch right now? if so, go ahead :p |
| 22:43.02 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 22:43.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm really good at that |
| 22:43.23 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide trained me well |
| 22:43.32 | Cide | shut the fuck up and code |
| 22:43.39 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 22:43.48 | Xuerian | rofls. |
| 22:43.48 | Cide | clearly you are not yet a master |
| 22:43.58 | cbreak | firefox uses 1.4 GB of VM. |
| 22:44.10 | cbreak | 6MB are nothing :) |
| 22:45.15 | Cide | you are nothing |
| 22:45.31 | Xuerian | Oh, the hostility. |
| 22:45.37 | Cide | oh, the humanity. |
| 22:45.42 | Xuerian | Exactly! |
| 22:45.51 | cbreak | humanity is lost |
| 22:45.55 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> string.byte('0'), string.byte('x') |
| 22:45.55 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 48, 120 |
| 22:45.58 | Cide | lost cause is lost |
| 22:46.28 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> string.byte('X') |
| 22:46.28 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 88 |
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| 22:56.50 | Shirik|Ecole | sigh |
| 22:57.03 | Shirik|Ecole | spending 2 days debugging C++ code only to finally realize it's Lua code that's the problem is /cry |
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| 22:58.10 | Xuerian | What ARE you debugging? |
| 22:59.09 | Cide | a debugger. |
| 23:03.03 | Xuerian | Only mildly ironic. |
| 23:03.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Interesting you should bring that up |
| 23:03.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I was working on a debugger for WoW, I got lost on that though |
| 23:03.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I need to start work on that again |
| 23:03.58 | cbreak | what I want is a profiler for WoW |
| 23:04.06 | Shirik|Ecole | isn't that built-in? |
| 23:04.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i want fire over IP |
| 23:04.17 | cbreak | there's API for it I thin |
| 23:04.17 | Shirik|Ecole | or do you mean per line? |
| 23:04.44 | cbreak | no, I would like a simple addon that tells me which other addon spends how much time executing |
| 23:04.48 | Shirik|Ecole | NightHawkTheSane: Send 300V over your line instead of 5V |
| 23:04.52 | Shirik|Ecole | That'll work |
| 23:04.57 | Corrodias | doesn't PerformanceFu do that? |
| 23:05.00 | Shirik|Ecole | ^ |
| 23:05.12 | Corrodias | it can show the top X cpu-using addons per polling period along with how much CPU they're using |
| 23:05.13 | Corrodias | i think |
| 23:05.33 | Shirik|Ecole | or, NightHawkTheSane, even better |
| 23:05.42 | Shirik|Ecole | plug your ethernet cable into an AC outlet |
| 23:05.43 | cbreak | performance fu? will take a look at that |
| 23:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that seems like it would hurt me, not the other person |
| 23:06.11 | Shirik|Ecole | not only is it 120Vrms instead of 0-5V, it's also unrectified |
| 23:06.23 | Corrodias | indeed. i don't know if it's available for 3.0; last i played was 2.1 or something |
| 23:06.35 | Shirik|Ecole | NightHawkTheSane: Not if you do it correctly :) |
| 23:06.43 | Shirik|Ecole | of course, when they find out it was you |
| 23:06.47 | Shirik|Ecole | then it will hurt you |
| 23:06.49 | Shirik|Ecole | but until then... |
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| 23:07.51 | cbreak | hmm.. last updated in march. I hope it still works. |
| 23:08.18 | Shirik|Ecole | Nothing's changed |
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| 23:08.25 | Shirik|Ecole | it's a pretty straightforward API |
| 23:08.50 | Shirik|Ecole | (@!I$(!@*%(#@*$T%@#RF_)IVsadfvf,gw;kmasef |
| 23:08.56 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> "332" == 332 |
| 23:08.56 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: false |
| 23:08.58 | Shirik|Ecole | damn it |
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| 23:10.17 | Shirik|Ecole | YES! |
| 23:10.21 | Shirik|Ecole | Best. Bug. Ever. |
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| 23:10.47 | Shirik|Ecole | *** Attempting to rejoin #WoWUIDev |
| 23:10.47 | Shirik|Ecole | (18:09:48) - Topic: Shirik |
| 23:10.47 | Shirik|Ecole | (18:09:48) - Set by http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ on 31/12/1969 - 19:00:00 (2026w 3d 23h 9m ago) |
| 23:10.52 | Shirik|Ecole | All about me! |
| 23:11.11 | |Yssaril| | cladhaire: is there anyway to have the tomtom arrow cycle through all the tomtom waypoint ? |
| 23:11.36 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 23:12.18 | cladhaire | |Yssaril|: Not sure what you mean.. but anything can be coded.. |
| 23:13.22 | |Yssaril| | cladhaire: basically one keybind or button press have the arrow jump to the next waypoint so you could do it repeadatly till you have the one you want |
| 23:13.34 | cladhaire | define "next" |
| 23:13.46 | Shirik|Ecole | cladhaire: Code me a learning AI that identifies all of my tomtom waypoints to identify the shortest path between all locations including potential to use flightpoints and taking into account approximate loading time for zone transitions (this will have to be time-dependent because load time depends on locational population) |
| 23:14.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I expect by next week ty |
| 23:15.11 | Yssaril | cladhaire: kind of arbitraty but all wayboints tomtom knows about so i hit my button and it would jump to the 'next' one maybe do it by proximity (kindof like /target works but for waypoints) |
| 23:15.59 | cladhaire | wouldn't be terribly difficult, no. |
| 23:16.29 | cladhaire | haven't had a chance to look at your corpse arrow |
| 23:16.31 | cladhaire | btu hope to soon |
| 23:17.27 | Yssaril | still have the same error (wiered thing is that it only happens when i have just tomtom and possibly mapster running) doesn't happen when i have all my addons running |
| 23:18.19 | Yssaril | cladhaire: does tomtom have an internal list that i could use and set waypoints to? |
| 23:18.26 | cladhaire | .. |
| 23:18.29 | cladhaire | i don't understand what that means |
| 23:18.56 | cladhaire | and i haven't looked at your code or error much.. can you summarize for me? |
| 23:19.02 | Yssaril | a list of all waypoint uid's and then a function the i can set the arrow to the uid or some such |
| 23:19.15 | Arrowmaster | i hate you all |
| 23:20.19 | cladhaire | the waypoint uids for TomTom itself are stored, yes. |
| 23:20.21 | Yssaril | cladhaire: my error from before is that it puts the waypoint on a diferent spot than where it is supposed to be when you realease from the corpse fixes itself when you cycle the worldmap |
| 23:20.41 | cladhaire | oh |
| 23:20.44 | cladhaire | that's a known issue globally |
| 23:20.46 | cladhaire | then your stuff work |
| 23:20.47 | cladhaire | works |
| 23:21.01 | Yssaril | k anywork around for that though? |
| 23:21.05 | cladhaire | TomTom.waypoints has the waypoints |
| 23:21.05 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:21.08 | cladhaire | cycle your map? |
| 23:21.18 | cladhaire | it'll get fixed when i get a chance to look at it |
| 23:21.27 | Yssaril | ok :) |
| 23:22.10 | cbreak | nice, performance fu works |
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| 23:22.33 | cbreak | but it's not exactly what I hoped for, since it doesn't show the longest time period an addon blocked |
| 23:23.05 | cbreak | it's still interesting to see which addons use most CPU time. BigWigs when inactive and IceHud while idleing in a city :/ |
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| 23:25.46 | Corrodias | true |
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| 23:26.10 | cbreak | also interesting: Performance Fu works without fubar :) |
| 23:26.30 | Corrodias | if an addon freezes the UI for a moment, though, it probably will show up on the top of the CPU usage list during that period |
| 23:26.38 | Shirik|Ecole | so it's more like Performance than PerformanceFu |
| 23:26.51 | Corrodias | a number of "fubar" addons work without fubar |
| 23:27.08 | Corrodias | they just dock on it by default if it's active |
| 23:27.26 | cbreak | a very nice behaviour |
| 23:28.50 | Yssaril | cladhaire: one last thing is there an easy way to get the current arrows uid? |
| 23:29.26 | cladhaire | not sure |
| 23:29.30 | cladhaire | possibly not, it may be local |
| 23:29.41 | cladhaire | you could hook TomTom:SetCrazyArrow() at the moment |
| 23:29.46 | cladhaire | btu that coudl catch NON tomtom arrow |
| 23:29.47 | cladhaire | s |
| 23:29.54 | cladhaire | but that shouldn't matter |
| 23:29.55 | cladhaire | i need to clean things up |
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| 23:31.30 | qz | is there any addon which can tell me what is frame name i have my mouse on? |
| 23:31.34 | |Yssaril| | cladhaire: thanks will look into it |
| 23:31.52 | Corrodias | qz: DevTools has a frame stack function that will show all frames your mouse is over |
| 23:32.15 | qz | thanks |
| 23:34.27 | |pez| | :D - http://i38.tinypic.com/25aopzn.jpg |
| 23:34.38 | |pez| | safe for work / school / parents |
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| 23:46.01 | Industrial | http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/belkin-n52te-speed-pad2.jpg |
| 23:46.06 | Industrial | I dont understand how people can use this |
| 23:46.10 | Industrial | wheres the numbers??? |
| 23:46.33 | Arrowmaster | ive got an original n52 |
| 23:46.39 | Arrowmaster | its useless for wow |
| 23:46.43 | Arrowmaster | imho |
| 23:46.58 | Arrowmaster | i use it for fps games though |
| 23:47.07 | Industrial | I use `123456 qwert asdfgh zxcvb and i use a shift ctrl and alt modifier to 1-6 making it 24 buttons |
| 23:47.14 | Industrial | all bount to stuff :P |
| 23:47.16 | Industrial | bound* |
| 23:47.35 | Industrial | and my ctrl is on caps for easy reach to eg ctrl-6 |
| 23:47.37 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if the n52te fixes the issues with it having 2 useless buttons |
| 23:47.51 | Arrowmaster | the spacebar ish button and that circular one |
| 23:47.58 | Arrowmaster | above the dpad |
| 23:48.09 | Industrial | Im also windering about this; http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/world-of-warcraft-mouse-available-for-pre-order/ |
| 23:48.14 | Industrial | 15 buttons :D~~~ |
| 23:48.34 | Xuerian | I want that mouse just for the mouse |
| 23:48.35 | Xuerian | dun care about wow |
| 23:48.42 | Industrial | I used to have a logitech MX1000 with 10 buttons that I loved (but it broke). |
| 23:48.55 | Arrowmaster | mx1000 had 10? |
| 23:49.06 | Industrial | yeah, or 12 |
| 23:49.18 | Thrae | I need more mouse buttons. I currently have 5 and it's not enough. |
| 23:49.29 | Industrial | same |
| 23:49.40 | Arrowmaster | 5 is all you can use without extra software though |
| 23:49.41 | Industrial | I'm not sure about the black plastic at the bottom there though |
| 23:49.50 | Industrial | is it for the thumb and pinky to rest on? |
| 23:50.00 | Industrial | that would indicate yoy are moving your whole armo to move the mouse |
| 23:50.13 | Industrial | I just rest my hand and use the fingers to move the mouse around |
| 23:50.34 | Arrowmaster | you must use a really high sensitivity |
| 23:51.08 | Industrial | I do, its basically left to right on the desktop and a bit more |
| 23:51.34 | Arrowmaster | actually i guess i do too |
| 23:51.44 | Arrowmaster | although i dont use my fingers but my wrist |
| 23:51.57 | Industrial | I hate it when i see someone pick up the mouse and move it further all the time |
| 23:52.04 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Are you counting Scroll Up and Scroll Down as "buttons"? |
| 23:52.05 | Arrowmaster | i can move from one side of the screen to the other without moving my wrist off the pad |
| 23:52.08 | Industrial | er, move it back* |
| 23:52.20 | Industrial | Thrae: I am |
| 23:52.23 | Industrial | both bindable |
| 23:52.31 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: no |
| 23:52.32 | Corrodias | i use a bit cutting board as my mousepad and have relatively low sensitivity |
| 23:52.36 | Corrodias | so theeere. |
| 23:52.44 | Thrae | Well in that case I have 7 buttons. |
| 23:52.47 | Industrial | Corrodias: h8 |
| 23:52.51 | Arrowmaster | most all games will only support upto mouse5 |
| 23:52.53 | Industrial | Corrodias: =D |
| 23:53.02 | erikd | i'd consider that if it was wireless with battery packs like my g7 |
| 23:53.25 | Arrowmaster | i need a new mouse, my mx518 is wearing out |
| 23:53.31 | Shirik | So apparently Badyn is at my school |
| 23:53.40 | Corrodias | it's a black cutting board with little white specks; my optical mouse likes it. though there is a maximum speed it'll move without wigging out, i never naturally move it that fast |
| 23:54.06 | Corrodias | and that speed limit is slightly higher than it is on some other surfaces i've tried |
| 23:54.19 | Shirik | biden |
| 23:54.20 | Shirik | whatever |
| 23:54.35 | Industrial | Shirik: wha? |
| 23:54.49 | Shirik | I just spent like 30 minutes coming home weaving in and out of all the cop cars |
| 23:54.50 | Arrowmaster | he was here on friday |
| 23:55.05 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: got a mx518 too |
| 23:55.11 | Arrowmaster | they shutdown part of I-75 |
| 23:55.22 | Industrial | im not satisfied with the weight tho |
| 23:55.40 | Arrowmaster | i could probably use a new mousepad too |
| 23:55.45 | Arrowmaster | mines warping |
| 23:55.45 | Industrial | i need it heavier (like the mx100 which had batteries in it) so it's more accurate with high sensitivity |
| 23:55.47 | Shirik | http://media.www.avionnewspaper.com/media/storage/paper798/news/2008/10/28/CampusNews/Biden.To.Speak.On.Campus.Sunday-3518695.shtml |
| 23:56.07 | Industrial | whos biden |
| 23:56.10 | Shirik | our school is a good choice, lol |
| 23:56.16 | Shirik | for speaking on "lowering the cost of education" |
| 23:56.20 | Corrodias | i have this light, dinky, plain logitech optical mouse with two buttons and a wheel |
| 23:56.43 | Shirik | fortunately I don't have to pay anymore :D |
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| 23:57.21 | Arrowmaster | i think my mousepad is only 6 years old but damn that doesnt seem old enough, ive had this thing forever |
| 23:57.24 | Shirik | Biden is Obama's VP candidate, Industrial |
| 23:57.30 | Industrial | i see |
| 23:57.36 | Corrodias | mine's probably about the same |
| 23:57.48 | Arrowmaster | original ratzpad |
| 23:57.50 | Xinhuan | get a steel series mousepad |
| 23:58.12 | Corrodias | one of the little mouse feet came off a while back, and the others have almost worn down to the point that it doesn't wobble any more :) |
| 23:58.38 | Arrowmaster | heh my mousepad chews up mousefeet |
| 23:59.02 | Arrowmaster | my mx518 only has 3/5 feet left on it |
| 23:59.15 | Arrowmaster | and i cant remember how many were missing on the mx510 i had before it |
| 23:59.26 | Gnarfoz | wtf kind of mousepad have you got |
| 23:59.36 | Arrowmaster | original ratzpad |
| 23:59.38 | Gnarfoz | I find logitech's mice feet to be nearly indestructible oO |
| 23:59.44 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 23:59.58 | Arrowmaster | well its not that they are destroyed but they slide off |
