| 00:00.57 | Stanzilla | new beta build? |
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| 00:17.16 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out. Moving day tomorrow, be offline until monday. |
| 00:19.56 | Duman | peppy always makes me crave cookies |
| 00:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | I bake the best cookies ever. |
| 00:23.28 | Amarande | There are few ways to make life simpler or cleaner than to pack most of it away into carboard boxes |
| 00:23.44 | Lopeppeppy | Throw away the cardboard boxes. :) |
| 00:24.06 | Dolby | I want a cookie! |
| 00:24.38 | bleeter | hmm, seems prat's pkgmeta is broken... yet another special case |
| 00:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | Did you see what kind I baked, Dolby? |
| 00:25.39 | Dolby | no, what kind? |
| 00:25.56 | Dolby | all cookies are good imo |
| 00:26.45 | Lopeppeppy | http://smittenkitchen.com/2007/05/my-kingdom-for-a-glass-of-milk/ |
| 00:26.47 | Duman | oh man |
| 00:26.48 | Lopeppeppy | These are better-er. |
| 00:26.49 | Duman | those look good |
| 00:27.09 | Lopeppeppy | I gave them an orange center in honor of halloween. |
| 00:27.11 | Dolby | wow |
| 00:27.15 | bleeter | woots for dos2unix |
| 00:27.17 | Duman | nice |
| 00:27.21 | Dolby | those look very good |
| 00:27.30 | Dolby | i want! |
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| 00:29.00 | Lopeppeppy | They are damn fine yummy fun. I made them without a mixer or a food processor, so it was pretty hard. |
| 00:37.25 | Syzgyn | ~pounce Lopeppeppy |
| 00:37.26 | purl | ACTION jumps on Lopeppeppy and bounces around Tigger style |
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| 00:53.37 | bleeter | rawr |
| 00:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 00:54.38 | Shirik | RAWRRRRRR |
| 00:56.01 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, I am ascairt of the rawr, I need a huggle! |
| 00:56.57 | NightHawktheSane | moo. |
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| 00:58.49 | Drak[H|AD] | why wont this: for I=1, GetNumRaidMembers() do tblUnits[I] = "raid"..I; if UnitName("raidpet"..I) ~= nil then tblUnits[I] = "raidpet"..I; end end list the player himself? |
| 00:59.04 | Drak[H|AD] | oh.. nvm |
| 00:59.05 | Shirik | because it only lists raid pets? |
| 00:59.10 | bleeter | oO http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065329040&sid=1 |
| 00:59.13 | Drak[H|AD] | I realised it overwrites me |
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| 01:00.01 | Kraps | naxx is not in the game now? |
| 01:00.21 | Neuro_Medivh | no |
| 01:00.23 | Drak[H|AD] | nope |
| 01:00.29 | Drak[H|AD] | its been moved to Northrend |
| 01:00.50 | Kraps | t3 will still be there? |
| 01:00.53 | NightHawktheSane | no |
| 01:00.58 | NightHawktheSane | technically, naxx -is- in the game |
| 01:01.02 | NightHawktheSane | it's just not currently accessible |
| 01:01.24 | cbreak | I heard bad things of people who tried to fly to northrend by staying in a naxx save |
| 01:01.35 | Kraps | this blows |
| 01:01.52 | NightHawktheSane | yeah, it does blow that you can't get antiquated and outdated gear anymore. :p |
| 01:02.00 | cbreak | atiesh! |
| 01:02.00 | Kraps | i need gear so i can run a heroic normaly |
| 01:02.02 | Amarande | heh, what happened to people who logged out in naxx before patch? |
| 01:02.20 | Kraps | Warbringer Armor |
| 01:02.23 | NightHawktheSane | Kraps: ... even if naxx was still there, t3 would be worthless for that |
| 01:02.26 | Kraps | lets see |
| 01:02.30 | cbreak | they had to get a GM to get them out |
| 01:02.43 | KarlKFI | lukz |
| 01:02.46 | Kraps | NightHawktheSane: fine |
| 01:03.09 | Kraps | t4 then |
| 01:03.19 | Amarande | what happens to people who logged out in naxx before patch, and don't log onto that character again till WotLK hits and they've upgraded their account? |
| 01:03.37 | cbreak | I bet they are still stucks |
| 01:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | t4 isn't needed to run heroics, t4 is like what you get *by* running heroics :P |
| 01:03.46 | NightHawktheSane | i wouldn't take anyone into kara that didn't have gear to run a heroic |
| 01:03.47 | cbreak | not like it's the same naxx that is in northrend |
| 01:03.49 | bleeter | prolly still a crash |
| 01:03.54 | NightHawktheSane | even after hte nerf |
| 01:04.03 | bleeter | although one would like to think there'd have been some code to hearth everyone out of old naxx ;) |
| 01:04.06 | ZorbaTHut | (okay not quite t4, but low-level t4 comparable stuff) |
| 01:04.08 | Amarande | Night: heh, on Turalyon I got the impression you need even higher gear to get into a heroic pug than you need for kara |
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| 01:04.32 | NightHawktheSane | Amarande: i also don't pug heroics |
| 01:06.31 | Kraps | oh here i go again, need gear for instances/raids, need instances/raids for gear |
| 01:06.44 | Kraps | GGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 01:07.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Welcome to the expansion. |
| 01:07.30 | Amarande | Kraps: you can always switch to Guild Wars :) |
| 01:07.56 | NightHawktheSane | l70 instances gets you gear for heroics, heroics & l70 instances get you gear for kara. etc. that's the way it works. if you don't like it, well.. like Amarande said, there's guild wars ;) |
| 01:08.51 | Kraps | instances like mgt and CoT |
| 01:08.55 | Kraps | ? |
| 01:09.25 | NightHawktheSane | CoT isn't an instance, but assuming you mean black morass, then yes those are two of many |
| 01:10.10 | cbreak | I've recently killed Vashj with a tank who had partially greens... |
| 01:10.25 | cbreak | the last patch really did make many things easier |
| 01:10.27 | Kraps | i see Cot dark portal and durnhole in my lfg list |
| 01:11.14 | Kraps | cant do tempest keep |
| 01:11.38 | Amarande | actually, there are certain things I think GW just plain did better than WoW gear-wise |
| 01:11.45 | Amarande | even if you believe in that you should have a gear progression like in WoW |
| 01:12.06 | Amarande | I miss the fact that Guild Wars gave gear stats and gear appearance a divorce |
| 01:12.27 | cbreak | I love item rack. |
| 01:12.38 | Amarande | I've still favored an idea for WoW where one would be able to rip the base stats off a piece of gear and move it to another piece |
| 01:12.45 | Lopeppeppy | Item Rack rules. As does Trinket Menu. |
| 01:12.47 | Amarande | i.e., say, you don't like how a T6 chest looks |
| 01:12.49 | Kraps | i like instances actually, but i dont see any standout gear on wowhead |
| 01:12.54 | Amarande | but you love that sexy robe from AQ40 |
| 01:12.59 | Amarande | so you get a T6 chest, and the AQ40 robe |
| 01:13.22 | Amarande | you would use some sort of thing (maybe a consumable crafted by high end enchanters?) on the T6 chest, and then you'd use it on the AQ40 robe |
| 01:13.40 | Amarande | (naturally, the original item bearing the stats is destroyed, and the old base stats on the new item are completely overwritten) |
| 01:14.01 | Amarande | It'd also make there be a LOT more interest in old raids, especially ones that have gear that looks good but is no longer good enough |
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| 01:14.20 | Amarande | sound like a good idea? |
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| 01:14.41 | Kraps | ok lfg shattered halls :) |
| 01:14.49 | Xuerian | WTB heroic vanilla raids |
| 01:14.51 | NightHawktheSane | Kraps: .. why cant you do tempest keep? |
| 01:14.59 | Amarande | I can't see a way that idea would be imba, either |
| 01:15.06 | Kraps | no flying mount |
| 01:15.09 | NightHawktheSane | ... |
| 01:15.11 | Amarande | (the ilvl would be inherited from the item you took the stats FROM) |
| 01:15.15 | Xuerian | Amarande: Just make them give badges or something. |
| 01:15.15 | Lopeppeppy | You can be summoned up there now, IIRC. |
| 01:15.25 | cbreak | flying is fairly cheap |
| 01:15.29 | cbreak | just a few K gold |
| 01:15.32 | NightHawktheSane | a) you can, b) are you not 70? or just really bad at hanging on to gold? |
| 01:15.43 | Amarande | Xuerian: the point would be the ability to have gear with the look you like, but also maintain progression stats |
| 01:16.08 | Amarande | Like I said, one thing I miss about GW is that armor stats were independent of armor model |
| 01:16.09 | Xuerian | Yeah, true. Whereas other games have appearance crafting.. |
| 01:16.15 | Kraps | really bad at making old |
| 01:16.25 | Kraps | getting rather |
| 01:16.28 | cbreak | do some quests |
| 01:16.29 | Amarande | I think it would be best as either an Inscription or Enchanting consumable at the top level |
| 01:16.52 | NightHawktheSane | do quests, seriously. I think i hit 70 with close to 2k gold >.> |
| 01:17.03 | Amarande | Maybe an Inscription consumable that requires crystals in addition to ink, given that ripping the stats like that resembles DE in a way |
| 01:17.06 | Kraps | i was gonna grind for rep... |
| 01:17.20 | cbreak | I have 23k gold now, and that's after buying every mount I could get |
| 01:17.32 | cbreak | daily quests are major gold sources |
| 01:17.47 | Amarande | Xuerian: basically, is there any bad side to appearance crafting? |
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| 01:17.55 | cbreak | PvP |
| 01:17.58 | Xuerian | Well, unfortunately, yes |
| 01:18.01 | Amarande | I suppose there's not being able to tell the opposing team at-a-glance in PvP |
| 01:18.04 | Xuerian | People would bitch their little heads off in pvp |
| 01:18.23 | cbreak | PvP spoils all the fun stuff, like Deep Freeze :/ |
| 01:18.23 | Xuerian | AWH MAH GAWED, MAH SCOUTER CANNAE SEE HIM POWA LEVEL |
| 01:18.38 | Kraps | i did them once, i find them boring with not a big enough incentive |
| 01:18.50 | Amarande | (you could always just Inspect teammates to see if they're trying to pass as better geared than they are ... although given that the method I suggest requires you have BOTH the item with the stats you want AND the one with the appearance you want, it's probably not that likely that you'd have inferior gear with higher tier look) |
| 01:18.51 | cbreak | 11 gold |
| 01:19.06 | Amarande | yeah, how did PvP get to be the big thing design-wise in WoW? |
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| 01:19.23 | Kraps | and i need a partner |
| 01:19.24 | Xuerian | Amarande: Honestly, I'd just give gear a pool of appearances to pick from based on ilvl |
| 01:19.36 | Xuerian | it'd only add one extra ocet to the id |
| 01:20.10 | Shirik | lua> (":heinlein.freenode.net 302 Shirik :Shirik=+n=nospam@65.33.120.83"):match(":(%S+)%s-302 [^:]*:.-=.-=(.-)@.-$") |
| 01:20.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: heinlein.freenode.net, nospam |
| 01:20.13 | Xuerian | Starting at ilvl 150 or so, anyway |
| 01:20.27 | Amarande | would you say that Blizzard is trying to de-emphasize the PvE game in favor of arena or is that alarmist thought? |
| 01:20.52 | Xuerian | It's trying to please everybody, that started when pvp gear when to honor purchase |
| 01:21.37 | kd3 | whee, 25 exalted |
| 01:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah, kd3. |
| 01:22.03 | NightHawktheSane | grats :) |
| 01:22.04 | Syzgyn | grats kd3 :) |
| 01:22.07 | Amarande | in any case |
| 01:22.11 | Xuerian | Good lord |
| 01:22.20 | NightHawktheSane | I forgot how many i've got, something like 23ish i think |
| 01:22.27 | Amarande | you should be able to strategize in arena without taking the time to micro-inspect the other team's gear |
| 01:22.33 | cbreak | I have a guild member with 35 exalted :/ |
| 01:22.37 | Amarande | if you're taking that long to determine what gear they have, you probably are dead |
| 01:22.47 | Amarande | so gear appearance in pvp shouldn't matter much :) |
| 01:22.48 | Syzgyn | cbreak: geeze |
| 01:22.51 | NightHawktheSane | cbreak: It's potentially possible to have 40 exalted.. |
| 01:22.58 | Kraps | ok i did not know about summoning to TK, i got kicked from a group for not having a flying mount, and my guild mates never mentioned it >:( |
| 01:23.03 | cbreak | I have 23 :( |
| 01:23.06 | Syzgyn | Currently though? |
| 01:23.22 | Amarande | hell, in GW, you start completely in the dark as to any knowledge about the other team, other than that you can see their classes when you target them |
| 01:23.37 | cbreak | Kraps: summoning wasn't possible last time I checked (which was years ago) |
| 01:23.39 | Amarande | Kraps: maybe your guild mates don't like you |
| 01:23.44 | Amarande | cbreak: you can summon to tk now |
| 01:23.46 | Kraps | lol |
| 01:23.58 | cbreak | maybe no one knew it changed |
| 01:23.59 | Amarande | as a warlock, I know this well |
| 01:23.59 | Kraps | not likely |
| 01:24.01 | NightHawktheSane | I believe they changed summoning into instances & netherstorm in.. 2.4? |
| 01:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | I think so too, NightHawktheSane. |
| 01:24.18 | Amarande | of course, I always make a point to go over in detail any Warlock changes when there's a patch |
| 01:24.18 | Syzgyn | Yes |
| 01:25.58 | Amarande | Night: no, the maximum exalted is 38 as far as I'm aware |
| 01:26.20 | Kraps | is it ok for me to roll on something like Mana Wrath to get a faster weap for tanking? |
| 01:26.29 | Amarande | TECHNICALLY 39, but that is such an incredible bastard of an undertaking that it's NOT worth doing |
| 01:26.31 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27899 |
| 01:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, that depends on your group. |
| 01:27.04 | Kraps | hmm |
| 01:27.08 | Amarande | (for 39, you need bloodsail ... 40 would be possible if you could exalt with a centaur clan, but I'm pretty sure that's still capped) |
| 01:27.15 | Lopeppeppy | If you're not a caster, I would say no on that item. |
| 01:27.27 | Lopeppeppy | Unless no other caster wants it. |
| 01:27.41 | Kraps | thats why i'm asking |
| 01:27.47 | Amarande | Kraps: Pally tank? |
| 01:27.52 | Kraps | no |
| 01:27.55 | ZorbaTHut | I generally say on-spec rolling takes precedence, then off-spec rolling, then "lol having this would be awesome", then DE |
| 01:28.04 | Amarande | ah |
| 01:28.16 | Amarande | I'd say acceptable for a pally tank (since spell power still does have an effect) but not a warrior |
| 01:28.20 | Kraps | i have the HH's sword |
| 01:29.17 | NightHawktheSane | Amarande: no, im pretty sure there are 40 exalt-able reputations in the game.. |
| 01:29.33 | Amarande | Night: there was a screenshot I saw once |
| 01:29.39 | Amarande | trying to remember the URL |
| 01:29.44 | Amarande | it had a guy with 38 exalted factions |
| 01:30.05 | Amarande | anyway, there were only ... six other factions I think he had on his sheet that weren't exalted? |
| 01:30.15 | Amarande | so unless he never, ever encountered a particular faction at all it's not possible |
| 01:30.19 | Amarande | because of the 6 factions: |
| 01:30.23 | Amarande | * two are the centaur clans, and you can't exalt |
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| 01:30.54 | Amarande | * one is Bloodsail, which can only be exalted through one particular means and you will be so sick of WoW once you do so that you'll be canceling your account and WotLK preorder if you've tried :) |
| 01:31.04 | Amarande | * three are mutually exclusive with ones he was exalted with |
| 01:31.27 | Amarande | or was it two ... but I'm pretty sure he was exalted with everything you could be, that wasn't mutually exclusive with something else he was exalted with |
| 01:31.37 | ZorbaTHut | one question, though |
| 01:31.48 | NightHawktheSane | i'm looking at a list right now, and i can count up 40 possible reps. |
| 01:31.48 | ZorbaTHut | is the "exalted" counter how many you have to be exalted with *simultaneously* |
| 01:31.52 | ZorbaTHut | or is it "ever exalted with" |
| 01:31.53 | Amarande | Night: URL? |
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| 01:32.06 | Amarande | zorba: simultaneously I'm pretty sure |
| 01:32.08 | ZorbaTHut | because if the latter, you can pick up at least one more by switching aldor/scryer after exalted |
| 01:32.18 | Amarande | although there is that dirty traitor one where you have to switch aldor/scryers to get it |
| 01:32.26 | NightHawktheSane | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=1015 there's a post about halfway down that enumerates them |
| 01:32.30 | ZorbaTHut | I did that switch two days before 3.0 :( |
| 01:32.42 | ZorbaTHut | I'll have to do it again someday, I'm re-collecting cheap stuff off the AH again :P |
| 01:32.43 | ZorbaTHut | sigh. |
| 01:32.46 | NightHawktheSane | if you discount the ones that are mutually exclusive or unable to be exalted with, there should be exactly 40 |
| 01:33.47 | Amarande | Night: hmm |
| 01:33.56 | Amarande | you know, I saw another screenie with 38, couldn't see anything other than bloodsail for 39 |
| 01:34.02 | Amarande | and I can't for the life of me figure out which one he was missing |
| 01:34.26 | Syzgyn | Amarande: The traitor achievement never made it to live |
| 01:34.31 | Shirik | sigh |
| 01:34.40 | Shirik | Spent the last 30 minutes figuring out what was wrong with IRC |
| 01:34.40 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort shirik |
| 01:34.41 | purl | There, there, shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:34.49 | Shirik | I was scrolled up, not seeing the new stuff ( |
| 01:34.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:34.55 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:34.57 | Amarande | that's happened to me |
| 01:35.12 | cogwheel | this was weird to stumble across (look at the date) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286660338&sid=1&pageNo=10 |
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| 01:35.22 | Kraps | the TK summon puts you in the vortex fields... |
| 01:35.26 | Shirik | problem is I'm coding the server, so I was on something I saw earlier and was trying to fix, and was seeing the old error still... |
| 01:35.45 | Kraps | not on the floating thing |
| 01:37.18 | Amarande | kraps: that's the stone |
| 01:37.22 | Amarande | warlocks can take you straight into the instances |
| 01:37.25 | NightHawktheSane | YOU'RE a stone. |
| 01:37.55 | Kraps | so you CANT get to TK w/o a flyer |
| 01:38.08 | NightHawktheSane | are you not listening, or just stupid? |
| 01:38.16 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice, guys. |
| 01:38.29 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, a warlock can summon you from inside the instance now, is what they are saying. |
| 01:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | Not the stone. No flying. Just a summons. Right inside. |
| 01:38.48 | Cairenn | what she said (about being nice) .... before *I* say it |
| 01:38.59 | Kraps | yes, a lock! |
| 01:39.11 | Kraps | thank you |
| 01:39.21 | Amarande | Evening, Cairenn |
| 01:39.28 | Kraps | tyou never said that |
| 01:40.46 | Shirik | hey, be nice |
| 01:40.52 | NightHawktheSane | it's generally assumed most people know warlocks can summon. |
| 01:40.54 | Shirik | Sorry, had to say it or it would look like I wasn't doing my job |
| 01:41.18 | Cairenn | lol, no worries Shirik |
| 01:41.23 | Syzgyn | Shirik does more than slack around?? o.O |
| 01:41.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:41.35 | Syzgyn | <3 |
| 01:41.45 | Amarande | sadly, however, we are unable to teleport ourselves |
| 01:41.51 | NightHawktheSane | Syzgyn: yeah, he talks about writing a new version of the wowi updater ;) |
| 01:41.54 | Kraps | NightHawktheSane: i know that, i just didnt think of that |
| 01:41.54 | Amarande | I still remember the time I had to get another warlock in the guild to summon me to shatt |
| 01:41.58 | Amarande | that being because of The Rut |
| 01:42.04 | Amarande | I wonder if they'll ever fix that. |
| 01:42.27 | Syzgyn | NightHawktheSane: keep hearing alot of talk :P |
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| 01:42.39 | NightHawktheSane | Syzgyn: well, he's very good at what he does. ;) |
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| 01:42.58 | Shirik | I will kill you both |
| 01:43.00 | Syzgyn | true enough |
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| 01:43.47 | Amarande | The Rut: |
| 01:43.56 | Amarande | there is this little rut in Burning Steppes, around 42,62 or so if I recall |
| 01:44.02 | Kraps | TK:Bot has a sweet shield |
| 01:44.15 | Amarande | it isn't near any mobs (that I can remember), and doesn't seem to cause falling damage |
| 01:44.26 | Amarande | however, it is just deep and steep enough that you are unable by any means to climb out |
| 01:44.39 | Amarande | it's also almost impossible to see unless you really strain to look for it |
| 01:44.47 | Amarande | (or are IN it) |
| 01:45.11 | Shirik | NightHawktheSane, I don't see you working on your own or offering assistance, and when you are working on as many projects as I am then you can complain. Until then, I suggest you drop it. I already get enough of this I don't need it in this channel too. |
| 01:45.15 | Amarande | and guess whose hearthstone had a half hour left of cooldown when they landed in there ... |
| 01:45.51 | NightHawktheSane | Shirik: I'm only teasing. chill. ;) |
| 01:47.23 | Codex| | anyone use the bookworm mod? |
| 01:47.44 | Codex| | when reading a specific book in sm, it pops up an error that it cant determine the location |
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| 01:48.40 | Berserker | hi |
| 01:48.47 | Syzgyn | hi! |
| 01:48.52 | Amarande | hmm, technical, macro-related point, meanwhile |
| 01:48.57 | Amarande | are bartender4 action buttons secure, or tainted? |
| 01:49.18 | NightHawktheSane | wouldn't they have to be secure? |
| 01:49.18 | Dewin | Earthen Ring is offline. Yay! |
| 01:49.37 | Qzot | Dewin: You on ER? |
| 01:49.41 | Berserker | i'm looking for some help to fix an old addon, can I explain my probleme here ? |
| 01:50.05 | Shirik | They would have to be secure if you want to do anything useful with them |
| 01:50.08 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 01:50.09 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 01:51.00 | Cairenn | Codex|: ping Iriel when he shows up later, it's his mod |
| 01:52.04 | Berserker | ok ;), in the lua I have "if (strsub(event, 1, 23) == "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM") then", but I see that's not 3.0 compliant, when i'm looking on Internet, I found than the new command is "ChatFrame_GetMessageEventFilters("event")", but I don't know how to apply this to my code ;) |
| 01:53.22 | malreth|away | main tanks just should not be master looters... |
| 01:53.32 | kamdis | why not? |
| 01:53.33 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 01:53.47 | NightHawktheSane | it slows the raid down : |
| 01:53.48 | NightHawktheSane | :p[ |
| 01:53.52 | malreth|away | it does |
| 01:53.55 | kamdis | eh |
| 01:54.01 | kamdis | yer doin it wrong imo |
| 01:54.03 | NightHawktheSane | your tanks should be pulling the next group while stuff is beeing looted |
| 01:54.03 | Berserker | i'm main tank, and yes it slow the raid ;) |
| 01:54.22 | kamdis | y'all are far too serious business for me :P |
| 01:54.34 | Syzgyn | Thats what Offtanks are for! |
| 01:54.44 | Shirik | Berserker: Why do you say this is not 3.0 compliant? |
| 01:54.45 | NightHawktheSane | kamdis: eh, its not so much serious business as it is efficiancy. :P i don't like spending all night clearing trash ;) |
| 01:55.10 | Berserker | Shirik, because I've an error on this line ;) |
| 01:55.23 | Shirik | I think you don't know where your error comes from |
| 01:55.25 | malreth|away | what error |
| 01:55.25 | kamdis | I have so much fun in raids it doesn't bother me much, but then my guild put the casual in casual raiding. |
| 01:55.29 | Shirik | Also, why the strsub? |
| 01:56.28 | Berserker | hum like "expect string, got table" |
| 01:56.28 | Berserker | it's not my addon |
| 01:56.28 | Berserker | it's GuildBanker |
| 01:56.28 | Berserker | I use it to manage my guild bank |
| 01:56.28 | Berserker | but it's not updated since 2.10 |
| 01:56.33 | Berserker | so ... I'm working on fixing it, I really need it ;) |
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| 01:57.21 | Shirik | I think you need to read the error more closely |
| 01:57.26 | Shirik | that is definitely not the line that comes from |
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| 01:57.48 | Berserker | I launch my laptop, 2min ; |
| 01:57.50 | Berserker | ;) |
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| 02:01.45 | NightHawktheSane | chicken pot pie may be the best comfort food ever. |
| 02:02.14 | Syzgyn | I had Baked Ziti tonight |
| 02:02.14 | Syzgyn | mmmmm |
| 02:02.22 | kamdis | It is good, but home made Mac & Cheese is still my favorite. |
| 02:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | I made cookies. I don't even think I had dinner, honestly. |
| 02:03.51 | NightHawktheSane | cookies make an excellent dinner |
| 02:03.55 | kamdis | What kind of cookies? |
| 02:04.16 | Berserker | ok so error code is : \Guildbanker3.lua:2680: bad argument #1 to 'strsub' (string excpected, got table) |
| 02:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | kamdis, http://smittenkitchen.com/2007/05/my-kingdom-for-a-glass-of-milk/ |
| 02:04.31 | Syzgyn | Lopeppeppy: I made liquor. Not quite as filling a meal, but still excellent. |
| 02:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy. |
| 02:04.42 | NightHawktheSane | Syzgyn: MADE liquor? |
| 02:04.43 | Berserker | and line 2680 is "if (strsub(event, 1, 23) == "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM") then" |
| 02:04.53 | NightHawktheSane | Lopeppeppy: i bet those would make a great dinner |
| 02:05.06 | Syzgyn | NightHawktheSane: Well not technically *made*, but infused. |
| 02:05.12 | Syzgyn | Looking to start making though |
| 02:05.20 | NightHawktheSane | oooh, infused? what kind? |
| 02:05.44 | Syzgyn | I've done Cinnamon raisin, Cherry vanilla, cherry lime, and strawberry banana (all vodka) |
| 02:06.21 | NightHawktheSane | hmm. intereting. how was cinnamon raising? |
| 02:06.27 | Berserker | Shirik ? |
| 02:06.30 | NightHawktheSane | I've been thinking of trying to infuse vodka.. |
| 02:06.32 | Syzgyn | Suprisingly good |
| 02:06.41 | Syzgyn | It's pretty easy |
| 02:06.53 | NightHawktheSane | yeah, i've read a bit about it. it looks easy, i just need to bother buying some stuff |
| 02:07.09 | Syzgyn | what stuff? find an empty mason jar and you're set |
| 02:07.13 | Kraps | i quest in tanking gear and prot stance |
| 02:07.23 | NightHawktheSane | Syzgyn: well, that, for one thing. I don't -have- one ;) |
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| 02:07.27 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 02:07.36 | Syzgyn | any air-tight jar will work |
| 02:07.41 | NightHawktheSane | in some respects, i live like a college student. you'd be surprised what i don't have :P |
| 02:07.43 | Syzgyn | old liquor bottles, for instance :P |
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| 02:08.06 | Syzgyn | I save the vodka bottles I buy, and they end up back in them |
| 02:08.26 | Syzgyn | I'm planning on buying some smaller bottles though, and sending out a bunch for xmas. |
| 02:08.43 | NightHawktheSane | ooh, smart idea. |
| 02:09.02 | NightHawktheSane | i want to try bacon vodka :D |
| 02:09.07 | Syzgyn | It's not really a cheap gift, but its definitely unique |
| 02:09.12 | malreth|away | Berserker: somewhere earlier in that function, event is being assigned a table |
| 02:09.17 | Syzgyn | If you do bacon vodka, use *real* bacon |
| 02:09.23 | Syzgyn | thats all I have to say |
| 02:09.29 | Syzgyn | oh, also |
| 02:09.32 | NightHawktheSane | .. define real bacon? |
| 02:09.37 | Amarande | Not BacOs |
| 02:09.59 | Syzgyn | http://www.infusionsofgrandeur.net/ has some neat recipes |
| 02:10.26 | Syzgyn | Real bacon as in not bacon bits, not fake bacon, not precooked bacon |
| 02:10.34 | NightHawktheSane | ah, okay |
| 02:10.45 | kamdis | I have a variety of rums infusing right now for holiday gifts. ;-) |
| 02:10.57 | Syzgyn | nice kamdis, what flavors? |
| 02:11.07 | kamdis | pear and vanilla |
| 02:11.19 | Syzgyn | ooh pear rum sounds cool |
| 02:11.32 | NightHawktheSane | that does, if i liked rum. |
| 02:11.34 | kamdis | and raspberry key lime |
| 02:11.41 | kamdis | don't know how that'll work out |
| 02:11.42 | kamdis | we'll see |
| 02:11.43 | Syzgyn | raspberry eh? |
| 02:11.47 | Syzgyn | I might have to try that |
| 02:11.55 | NightHawktheSane | although i'd give a fruit infused rum a shot, probably |
| 02:12.08 | Syzgyn | I just sweetened my strawberry banana today, and I think I made it too sweet :\ |
| 02:12.14 | Syzgyn | hopefully it will mellow a bit with age |
| 02:12.27 | Syzgyn | smelled awesome though |
| 02:12.29 | kamdis | you can always drink it with something tart |
| 02:12.39 | Syzgyn | true true |
| 02:12.52 | kamdis | like a splash of lemonade or something |
| 02:13.01 | NightHawktheSane | that'd be good. |
| 02:13.03 | Syzgyn | Cherry lime goes really well with lemonade :D |
| 02:13.09 | kamdis | i'll bet |
| 02:13.21 | kamdis | sonic's cherry limeade is one of my all time favorite things |
| 02:13.22 | kamdis | :) |
| 02:13.26 | Syzgyn | oh hell yes |
| 02:13.44 | Syzgyn | kamdis would you maybe wanna do a swap for xmas? |
| 02:14.00 | kamdis | sure :) |
| 02:14.08 | Syzgyn | where do you live? |
| 02:14.59 | Syzgyn | just general wise |
| 02:15.14 | kamdis | oh my, those guys used poprocks to infuse vodka. lol. |
| 02:15.20 | Amarande | wow |
| 02:15.21 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 02:15.24 | Amarande | what a waste of perfectly good vodka :( |
| 02:15.33 | Syzgyn | I saw one skittles infusion |
| 02:15.39 | Syzgyn | looked damn nasty |
| 02:15.58 | Amarande | that's like using Don Julio tequila with store bought margarita mix :| |
| 02:16.08 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 02:16.08 | NightHawktheSane | skittles infusion? shit, thats one rainbow i really don't want to taste |
| 02:16.58 | Syzgyn | http://www.instructables.com/file/FKWPYMPFGPJ02D0/ |
| 02:17.06 | kamdis | california |
| 02:18.34 | Syzgyn | shipping might suck a bit, but ah well |
| 02:18.46 | kamdis | where are you? |
| 02:18.49 | kamdis | generally |
| 02:18.50 | Syzgyn | GA |
| 02:18.57 | kamdis | eh, all US |
| 02:19.00 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 02:19.34 | kamdis | we can talk details closer to shipping time, like quantity, flavor, etc. :) |
| 02:19.47 | Shirik | ok Berserker I think you have an "event" table floating around randomly |
| 02:19.56 | Shirik | that may be an addon conflict or it could be a million other things |
| 02:19.58 | Syzgyn | pfft, you think you're getting a choice on flavors or quantity? :P |
| 02:20.05 | Shirik | it is not something I can solve with only one line given |
| 02:20.12 | Berserker | hum nice :) |
| 02:20.16 | kamdis | i just don't want to give you less than i get is all |
| 02:20.18 | kamdis | :P |
| 02:20.24 | kamdis | flavor can be whatever :) |
| 02:20.25 | Berserker | you want the all addon ? |
| 02:20.31 | Syzgyn | I need to find the bottles I found a while ago |
| 02:23.01 | Syzgyn | I think I was looking to send out 3 12oz bottles |
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| 02:24.01 | Lothaer | G'Day |
| 02:24.11 | kamdis | sounds good :) |
| 02:24.11 | Syzgyn | Hail to thee, champion. |
| 02:24.27 | Amarande | A noob, a loray, Dalanar. |
| 02:24.42 | Amarande | Whatever a loray is, and whoever Dalanar is |
| 02:24.56 | Syzgyn | yeah, that way it's not so much that if you dont like any particular flavor, its not a waste. |
| 02:24.59 | Berserker | Shirik : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100106-1vrh |
| 02:25.29 | kamdis | regifting is always good for that. |
| 02:25.31 | kamdis | hehe |
| 02:25.41 | Lothaer | Ishnu Dal Dieb |
| 02:25.46 | malreth|away | more than shirik and i can help, Berserker |
| 02:26.09 | Shirik | Anyone good at recognizing CIDR blocks? |
| 02:26.11 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 02:26.18 | Shirik | like how to convert a range of IPs into a CIDR mask? |
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| 02:31.05 | Shirik | lua> bit |
| 02:31.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 02:31.10 | Shirik | --> bit |
| 02:31.10 | batbot | Shirik: > nil |
| 02:36.37 | Dewin | Earthen Red Ring of Death. yay. |
| 02:37.10 | Shirik | --> cidrToSubnet = function(cidr) assert(cidr <= 32 and cidr >= 0, "Invalid CIDR specified"); local mask = tonumber(("1"):rep(cidr), 2); local result = {}; for x = 1, 4 do table.insert(result, 1, mask % 256); mask = math.floor( mask / 256); end return unpack(result) end |
| 02:37.25 | Shirik | --> cidrToSubnet(24) |
| 02:37.26 | batbot | Shirik: > 0, 255, 255, 255 |
| 02:37.30 | Shirik | eh |
| 02:37.31 | Dewin | Our server was so stable for the last few days and now it's running as bad as it was on patch day |
| 02:37.33 | Shirik | backwards, but close enough |
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| 02:51.09 | Xinhuan | does the game hate druids? |
| 02:51.21 | Xinhuan | my bar addon works with all classes except druids lol |
| 02:52.07 | Amarande | dewin: which server? |
| 02:52.30 | Amarande | I've not had any problems lately with my main three servers |
| 02:53.01 | Shirik | hm, no more zombies? |
| 02:53.07 | Sixen | BRAINS |
| 02:53.08 | Sixen | afk |
| 02:57.44 | Shirik | screw vent and its horrible admin controls |
| 02:57.54 | Shirik | To ban people on my own terms I have to edit a configuration file? That's stupid |
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| 03:19.21 | Shirik|AFK | ~staple Tem |
| 03:19.22 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Tem quite well, and hands Tem to shirik|afk |
| 03:20.00 | Tem | let's see if it sticks this time |
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| 03:23.04 | Tem | this missino is gay |
| 03:23.19 | Tem | I have to defend a human base using only humans |
| 03:23.36 | Tem | the only decent units in the alliance ARENT HUMAN |
| 03:23.45 | Tem | so my "defense" is worthless |
| 03:23.45 | Amarande | Tem: wc3? |
| 03:23.54 | Tem | and this fucking dreadlord keeps putting everything I have to sleep |
| 03:24.18 | Tem | so they just sit there and watch as 3 infernals play happy town with my peasants |
| 03:24.26 | Tem | Amarande, aye |
| 03:24.35 | Tem | I never played through frozen throne |
| 03:24.44 | Tem | I'm really wish I had before BC |
| 03:25.00 | Tem | I would hav enjoyed the Illidan/Vashj/Kael storylines much more |
| 03:28.05 | Tem | Fuck this |
| 03:28.27 | Tem | Humans: Die. I will do this without your help. Lady Sylvannas will be just fine without your help |
| 03:29.42 | Xinhuan | anyone knows when the zombie invasion ends? |
| 03:29.48 | Xinhuan | and by zombie, i mean the naxx one |
| 03:30.14 | kd3 | hopefully some time after the next reset |
| 03:30.29 | kd3 | I botched the kara quest yesterday and didn't loot the item |
| 03:30.34 | kd3 | 'course, the door's locked now... >.> |
| 03:30.46 | Xinhuan | Tem: just turn on god mode and zip thru the mission for the storyline ;p |
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| 03:31.31 | Tem | Xinhuan, part of it is for the fun of playing the RTS |
| 03:31.44 | Tem | but shit this mission sucks |
| 03:31.50 | Xinhuan | which mission are you on? |
| 03:32.21 | Tem | Assault Lordaeron as Sylvannas with the help of Garithos |
| 03:32.32 | Tem | I think it's chapter 6ish |
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| 03:33.23 | |Jelly| | BACK! And done with my spanish homework! |
| 03:34.56 | |Jelly| | No comprendo el español! |
| 03:35.22 | Seerah | no? |
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| 03:35.35 | |Jelly| | No |
| 03:36.04 | |Jelly| | Figured I would toss that out there since apparently me being done with my spanish work generally means "speak to me in spanish" |
| 03:36.46 | Seerah | hehe |
| 03:36.59 | Seerah | I would if it hadn't been.... 10-11 years since |
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| 03:50.19 | malreth|away | yo tengo el fuego del diablo en mis pantalones para ti |
| 03:50.56 | Shirik|AFK | ... |
| 03:51.00 | kamdis | you scare me malreth |
| 03:51.02 | Shirik|AFK | indeed |
| 03:51.04 | kamdis | tmi imo |
| 03:51.26 | kamdis | also, they make creams for that |
| 03:51.49 | Shirik|AFK | uh |
| 03:51.59 | Shirik|AFK | I wouldn't call a fire extinguisher a "cream" |
| 03:53.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:54.00 | Amarande | I thought he was referring to the stuff you'd use Preparation H for |
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| 04:03.26 | Tem | (I don't know spanish) |
| 04:03.37 | Tem | "there is the devil's fire in my pants" ? |
| 04:05.22 | malreth|away | I have the devil's fire in my pants for you. |
| 04:31.50 | Syzgyn | If I'm scaling a frame parented to UIParent, how would I keep it in the same place on the screen as it scales? |
| 04:32.01 | Syzgyn | currently its moving all over the place. |
| 04:36.07 | NightHawktheSane | complex math? :P |
| 04:37.00 | NightHawktheSane | random question for anyone still awake.. can anyone recommend a particularly good bluetooth headset? preferrably one with a fairly long talk time battery life |
| 04:37.38 | Shirik|AFK | Syzgyn: The only real way is to bind to "CENTER". It's not actually moving, just from your perspective it's moving |
| 04:37.49 | Shirik|AFK | well, the real way is to bind it to a place that makes sense |
| 04:37.51 | Syzgyn | I get that, and blah |
| 04:38.09 | Shirik|AFK | Cidan had a good solution for this I think |
| 04:38.25 | Shirik|AFK | it was to monitor UIParent rescaling and adjust the coordinates in SetPoint by the reciprocal? |
| 04:38.32 | Shirik|AFK | something like that |
| 04:38.39 | Syzgyn | Huh |
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| 04:38.46 | Syzgyn | sounds like alot of work |
| 04:39.08 | Syzgyn | I think I'm just gonna say 'if you wanna scale it, find it yourself' :P |
| 04:39.09 | Shirik|AFK | it's not easy, but I don't consider it particularly hard |
| 04:39.24 | Syzgyn | It's for a feature I'm only adding in because it was requested |
| 04:39.45 | Syzgyn | anything above 'stupid easy' is too much work :P |
| 04:40.05 | NightHawktheSane | if there's a chance scaling would send it off screen, a "recenter window" command would be good |
| 04:40.46 | Syzgyn | There is, but it is unaffected by scale for some reason |
| 04:41.21 | Syzgyn | on my screen at least, you cant scale it off the side |
| 04:41.34 | Shirik|AFK | you can clamp it to the screen |
| 04:41.50 | Syzgyn | Will that work with scaling too? |
| 04:41.54 | Shirik|AFK | I believe so |
| 04:42.00 | Syzgyn | sounds good |
| 04:42.16 | Shirik|AFK | that will at least protect you from it "disappearing" |
| 04:42.19 | kd3 | wow. only 2 lines different instead of the usual 1000 or so in tonight's beta build |
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| 04:42.50 | NightHawktheSane | o_0 2? |
| 04:43.02 | kd3 | +OpenCalendar(); |
| 04:43.06 | kd3 | -skillButton:SetWidth(323); |
| 04:43.06 | kd3 | +skillButton:SetWidth(313); |
| 04:43.09 | kd3 | that's it |
| 04:43.16 | NightHawktheSane | I guess the interface is reasonably static at this point |
| 04:43.27 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 04:43.49 | NightHawktheSane | you're uh.. not still going to send out a diff for that, are you? :P |
| 04:43.59 | kd3 | email's already out |
| 04:44.04 | NightHawktheSane | heh |
| 04:47.50 | Sixen | @duman, rename "UI Gang" to "QA Gang |
| 04:47.52 | Sixen | :P |
| 04:48.13 | Sixen | o lawd, that's the album name. |
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| 05:23.07 | Lothaer | oi cnc |
| 05:34.56 | Tekkub | oicnc? |
| 05:35.00 | Tekkub | oinc! |
| 05:36.40 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:39.41 | Shirik | Is that like sinc? |
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| 05:53.29 | Thunder_Child | I WANT MY C N C |
| 05:54.21 | Thunder_Child | sadly i have resorted to downloading it since EA messed up the CE shipping and now i am on the ass end of things |
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| 05:55.46 | Amarande | what's C N C? |
| 05:56.45 | batrick | man just got 18 - 0 in this ETOS |
| 05:56.45 | batrick | i think I could cry |
| 05:56.45 | Thunder_Child | Command And Conquer |
| 05:56.45 | Thunder_Child | it was to the tune of "i want my mtv" |
| 05:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I canceled my preorder of RA3. That DRM sucks pretty hard. |
| 05:58.04 | Thunder_Child | all DRM sucks |
| 05:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Some sucks less than others |
| 05:58.21 | ScytheBlade1 | RA3's _really sucks hard_ |
| 05:58.35 | Amarande | Worse than Spore's? |
| 05:58.45 | Thunder_Child | true, however since i paid for it i dont mind downloading a copy to do what i need to |
| 05:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Identical |
| 05:59.41 | Thunder_Child | i didnt get spore, whats the issue with that DRM? |
| 06:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It sucks pretty hard |
| 06:00.17 | Thunder_Child | how exactly? |
| 06:00.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Same as RA3's |
| 06:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 06:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me pull up this link |
| 06:00.49 | Amarande | I wonder if this is indication that Dragon Age will have the same crap :( |
| 06:01.33 | bleeter | lol.. aussie guild... <A Kobold Ate My Baby> |
| 06:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jspa?threadID=430797&start=0&tstart=0 |
| 06:01.39 | Amarande | And quite possibly -all- future Bioware stuff, since Bioware is under EA now |
| 06:03.15 | Thunder_Child | ah, not an issue for me at all |
| 06:03.25 | Thunder_Child | especially since i am not fond of multi-player |
| 06:03.33 | Thunder_Child | however, 5 times is more than enough |
| 06:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure that's what I canceled me preorder over :P |
| 06:07.11 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, you do know it's not an issue if you uninstall right? you get your "activation" back |
| 06:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure if they're actively tracking my installs they can go <random four letter word here> themselves |
| 06:08.56 | Thunder_Child | yes, because we care weather people know if we uninstalled a game or not |
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| 06:23.34 | bleeter | Xinhuan: thanks for getting Routes onto WoWI :) |
| 06:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 06:34.27 | bleeter | heh, I'd never noticed this before. If you stay on the AddOn List selector for too long, it'll kick you from the realm back to login (this, I guessed), but leave the AddOn List up and active so you can change your last logged in toon's addons. |
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| 06:35.37 | bleeter | why it doesn't remove the addon list when it kicks you off, no idea (presume crazy bug of some type) |
| 06:35.49 | bleeter | interesting way to mess with someone's UI, though |
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| 07:07.24 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, the forum maint. screen is neat |
| 07:11.01 | bleeter | almost as neat as the mage page maint. screen |
| 07:12.57 | Neuro_Medivh | mage page? |
| 07:13.06 | bleeter | er |
| 07:13.07 | bleeter | main |
| 07:13.12 | bleeter | ~fail self |
| 07:13.13 | purl | self: FAIL! |
| 07:13.24 | Neuro_Medivh | same page |
| 07:13.42 | bleeter | ;) |
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| 07:13.45 | Neuro_Medivh | just neater than the old "Forums are down" page... this one is a cute gnome in a mech! |
| 07:14.41 | bleeter | yeah, I've seen it before, iirc |
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| 07:28.03 | bleeter | cog|away: oh, btw... the feral macro thing. yup, mangle's fixed... faerie fire's still screwed tho so as promised, I blame you! :P |
| 07:34.31 | nevcairiel | whats the issue with FF in macros? |
| 07:35.50 | bleeter | Balance: Fearie Fire. Can be macrod without needing to specify rank. Feral Combat - Fearie Fire (Feral). AFAIK, must specify rank as the 'feral' part of that spell name is in brackets. Mangle used to be Mangle(Cat)/Mangle(Bear), but is now Mangle - Cat, Mangle - Bear |
| 07:36.24 | nevcairiel | You just use "Faerie Fire (Feral)()" |
| 07:36.33 | nevcairiel | empty rank, but denotes that Feral is not the rank |
| 07:37.30 | bleeter | yeah, the convo with cog was from ages ago about using '-' instead of '()' in spell names. Hence, it's still screwed ;) |
| 07:37.45 | bleeter | we've had an occaisonal banter on the forums about it, too ;) |
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| 07:38.22 | bleeter | 'coz you're still losing 2 chars per macro 'coz of it. |
| 07:38.48 | bleeter | spose if I weren't lazy, I could use spellIDs, no? |
| 07:39.04 | nevcairiel | maybe? |
| 07:39.09 | nevcairiel | does /cast id work? |
| 07:39.39 | bleeter | dunno, ain't tested anything really since I got told I don't test stuff |
| 07:39.53 | bleeter | but for the sake of satisfying my curiousity, I'll go check it for you ;) |
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| 07:44.56 | bleeter | maybe, maybe not. I thought I read somewhere where we could use ID.. oh well |
| 07:45.15 | bleeter | maybe it was in relation to items, and I'm just not remembering correctly |
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| 07:46.59 | Drak[H|AD] | Im quite happy with myself :P got my addon to gather info on my durability plus info on what consumables I brought to a raid |
| 07:47.14 | Drak[H|AD] | the raidleader can (by using the same addon) request that info |
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| 07:47.38 | Drak[H|AD] | (or any other player with the addon actually= |
| 07:48.11 | Sholtar | hey, not a dev but was trying to write a script and had a question for you knowledgeable types if any of you had a second? |
| 07:49.31 | bleeter | ~asktoask |
| 07:49.31 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 07:49.45 | Sholtar | Heh. Guess that works. |
| 07:49.55 | bleeter | (though strictly, 'if someone's around who can answer') |
| 07:50.54 | Sholtar | I play a human shadowpriest and was trying to macro a way to use every man for himself if necessary but to prefer fade if it would do the trick... it seems like it's not possible to do so, but i dunno if i'm missing something |
| 07:51.21 | Sholtar | seems i need to use API to use HasFullControl() but then am unable to use the ability on account of it being protected... just dunno if there's a clever way around that |
| 07:53.07 | Drak[H|AD] | nope |
| 07:53.20 | Drak[H|AD] | cant cast a spell depending on buffs and another spell if other buffs or no buffs etc |
| 07:53.25 | Sholtar | damn. |
| 07:53.40 | Drak[H|AD] | what you can do is map it to different mousekeys :P |
| 07:53.53 | Sholtar | sure, sure. i was just hoping i could just use my one keybind that i'm used to lol |
| 07:53.59 | Drak[H|AD] | and then if yer not in control rightclick the button |
| 07:54.25 | Drak[H|AD] | Sholtar > might come as a shock to you but Blizz actually wants us to use our brains when we play =) |
| 07:54.51 | Sholtar | hehehe yeah... well they could use some work in that aspect imo :P but i do understand the need |
| 07:55.16 | Arrowmaster | and yet there are people that will quit wow if questhelper stops working |
| 07:55.16 | Sholtar | so, to clarify for future purposes, the only conditionals i can use in relation to casting spells are the built-in macro conditionals? |
| 07:55.56 | klip | there is bunch of qhelper like addons you can "live with" for some time until qhelper is repaired :p |
| 07:56.00 | Drak[H|AD] | Arrowmaster > personally - I hate questhelper :P a part of the game is to explore, find out stuff and if unable - be social and ask for help |
| 07:56.20 | Drak[H|AD] | Ive never used such addon and I never will |
| 07:56.51 | Arrowmaster | i only used to for lowbie quests while working on loremaster |
| 07:56.55 | klip | yeah, but some people already reached end-game and they just want to try another class at end game and it is much faster to level with that |
| 07:56.58 | klip | :) |
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| 07:59.53 | bleeter | by the fourth or fifth 70, you're not using yer brain much to level anyways |
| 08:00.18 | bleeter | unless you switch factions, and even then, there's enough similarity in many zones.. /shrug |
| 08:02.23 | Drak[H|AD] | klip > Ive used "end game" twice |
| 08:02.26 | Drak[H|AD] | I know all quests :P |
| 08:02.55 | Drak[H|AD] | plus - all info you need is in the quest text |
| 08:03.12 | Sholtar | yeah but that requires reading. >.> |
| 08:03.24 | Drak[H|AD] | lazy bastards |
| 08:03.44 | Sholtar | really though, i wish the average wow player would learn how to read quest logs, definitely bugs me when people ask in chat how to do a quest and it says specifically what to do in the log |
| 08:03.46 | klip | :) |
| 08:04.09 | zenzio | whare is mankirks wife??? |
| 08:04.33 | klip | I have 1 70 and if I check quest counter for Kalimdor it is somewhere 400/700ish and for EK it is 90/550ish |
| 08:04.41 | klip | so I can't say I know all quests :) |
| 08:05.00 | Sholtar | heh, mine's even lower than that. i skipped almost all of kalimdor and most of EK |
| 08:05.01 | klip | but working on this achievement sometims |
| 08:05.06 | Drak[H|AD] | when I say know I dont mean I can list them - I say I know what to do :P |
| 08:05.24 | Drak[H|AD] | but then, my main is from the old ages - 2005 |
| 08:05.35 | klip | last time I discovered Ghosltands -> Tranquillien and made exalted from 0 in some hours... pretty easy faction :) |
| 08:06.14 | klip | if you have 4 from 5 factions exalted, and you need 1 more, this is very easy one for 70 lvl char |
| 08:06.37 | Sholtar | a lvl 70 horde char, you mean. :P |
| 08:06.45 | klip | oh, sure :) |
| 08:06.49 | klip | I always forgot about allys |
| 08:07.02 | klip | forget :) |
| 08:07.26 | Sholtar | oh trust me i wish i could to. guys that got me playing played ally, wish i'd known better to start with :P |
| 08:08.34 | klip | haha, I started with ally, because I wanted to be on the "good" side :) |
| 08:09.01 | klip | but after 10th level, my freind told me to reroll because he is horde and allys are all kids, lol |
| 08:09.01 | Sholtar | hehe |
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| 08:09.19 | klip | I dunno if it is true |
| 08:09.27 | Sholtar | to some extent, yep |
| 08:10.48 | Codayus | Depends I think; on PvE it seems like alliance is at least as mature... |
| 08:10.57 | Codayus | On PvP...ick. :-) |
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| 08:12.26 | klip | man, I just was attacked by some kid :) |
| 08:12.37 | klip | enjoying leveling my holy priest alt |
| 08:12.42 | klip | lvl 28 |
| 08:13.02 | klip | druid lvl 27 attacked me in the middle of fighting lvl 30 mob |
| 08:13.20 | klip | I almost killed him |
| 08:13.25 | klip | but he shifted to cat and escaped |
| 08:13.29 | klip | chicken |
| 08:22.50 | Industrial | klip: damn he must have sucked then |
| 08:22.55 | Industrial | priests are like teh ez |
| 08:23.11 | Industrial | well ok now im thinking from shaman perspective |
| 08:23.15 | Industrial | hehe |
| 08:23.25 | Industrial | purgepurgeSMASHdead. |
| 08:24.25 | klip | I dunno, lvl 27,28 its different from 70 :) |
| 08:24.34 | klip | I spend most of wow time at 70 :) |
| 08:25.05 | klip | If I hadn't aggro, I would have killed him |
| 08:25.28 | klip | fear dot heal fear dot heal |
| 08:25.29 | klip | :) |
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| 08:39.25 | NeCrow | hello all |
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| 09:15.07 | bleeter | NeCrow... wonder if a relation of Nechckn |
| 09:16.14 | Industrial | when i see Nechckn i read neko-chan :S |
| 09:17.31 | Nechckn | The family tree branches at the flock level, I can't keep track of them all, dear wooley one |
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| 09:36.27 | smoke_ | anyone familiar with using the .Range element in oUF? |
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| 09:38.32 | Industrial | haste: smoke_ |
| 09:39.48 | smoke_ | i dont think hes around :( |
| 09:41.01 | Industrial | hell see it, just stick around =) |
| 09:44.14 | haste | lies |
| 09:44.34 | smoke_ | oh nice :) |
| 09:45.29 | smoke_ | I was wondering how the .Range thing worked? I have it semi working but it's just showing the outsideRangeAlpha the whole time for my frame, seems like the distance between my char and the unit of the frame isn't doing anything |
| 09:46.03 | smoke_ | right now i'm calling it with self.Range = true; self.inRangeAlpha = 1; self.outsideRangeAlpha = .25 |
| 09:46.51 | Drak[H|AD] | what is .Range? |
| 09:47.09 | smoke_ | element for oUF? sorry if thats the wrong terminology |
| 09:47.36 | Drak[H|AD] | never heard of :P |
| 09:49.28 | haste | smoke_: it doesn't work on all units |
| 09:49.46 | haste | afaik it only works on raid/party |
| 09:50.34 | smoke_ | ahhh |
| 09:50.50 | smoke_ | does the barfader addon fade other units? |
| 09:51.25 | haste | that I can't answer |
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| 09:54.50 | smoke_ | k thanks for all your help :)) |
| 09:54.51 | smoke_ | oh |
| 09:54.54 | smoke_ | i almost forgot |
| 09:55.43 | smoke_ | is there a current issue with oUF and the targetoftarget the Name seems to not get updated for my target of target frame, my layout im using is the p3lim one i modified it a little, i asked him about it it said it was an oUF issue and not his layout is this truth? |
| 09:57.34 | haste | tags don't support eventless units |
| 09:57.48 | haste | it's really a layout issue if the layout expects that behaviour when oUF doesn't have it |
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| 10:33.48 | Tem | wow |
| 10:33.52 | Tem | that last mission was rough |
| 10:33.56 | Tem | glad I'm done, though |
| 10:34.04 | Tem | BC makes more sense now >< |
| 10:34.29 | zenzio_ | what mission? |
| 10:34.47 | Tem | last level of frozen throne |
| 10:35.06 | Elkano | never finished FT mayself :( |
| 10:35.07 | bleeter | BC lost me on space goats and now lazorpewpews |
| 10:35.11 | bleeter | *and no |
| 10:36.11 | Tem | Elkano, I hadn't either |
| 10:36.21 | bleeter | space ships with no lazorz is like a BLT sammich with no B or T |
| 10:36.23 | bleeter | or L |
| 10:36.30 | Tem | so I reinstalled warcraft 3 last weekend and got busy |
| 10:36.47 | Tem | I only had to cheat on the last level of both |
| 10:36.58 | Tem | and I only used +money |
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| 10:37.07 | zenzio | on which difficulty? |
| 10:37.08 | Tem | my playstyle tends to wait too long to do anything |
| 10:37.10 | bleeter | heh, I won't tell folks you're a haxor if you dont :P |
| 10:37.22 | Flowy | how to do that pls |
| 10:37.22 | Flowy | for i=1,25 do |
| 10:37.22 | Flowy | MLootRaid..i:SetText("end"); |
| 10:37.22 | Flowy | end |
| 10:37.29 | Tem | and I play very inefficiently since I suck at micromanaging abilites |
| 10:37.36 | zenzio | I'm a slow player, building up my defenses and crap over a long while |
| 10:37.45 | Tem | so on the challenging maps, I tend to run out of gold |
| 10:37.58 | Tem | by the end of the last mission in FT, I owned every gold mine on the map |
| 10:38.03 | Tem | and I had mined them all dry |
| 10:38.25 | Tem | zenzio, just normal difficulty |
| 10:38.25 | Flowy | Tem do you know pls? |
| 10:38.35 | Tem | Flowy, I do know |
| 10:38.42 | Flowy | and how? |
| 10:38.48 | Tem | but because you can't spell the word "please" I'm not answering |
| 10:38.55 | Tem | also, you need to read PiL |
| 10:38.55 | Flowy | please |
| 10:38.58 | Tem | ~pil |
| 10:38.59 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 10:39.12 | Tem | you lack a basic understanding of the language |
| 10:39.22 | Tem | just giving you a fish here would be a disservice |
| 10:39.29 | Flowy | please :) |
| 10:39.46 | Tem | (to both of us, really, because you'd be back in here in less than 15 minutes asking something else really basic) |
| 10:39.52 | cbreak | there is a difference between a string and a frame |
| 10:39.54 | Tem | also, I'm tired as hell. it's almost 6 am |
| 10:58.58 | bleeter | bloody blizzard with their crappy customer communication strikes again! |
| 11:00.39 | cbreak | are there still non-us realms on us server farms? |
| 11:01.36 | bleeter | what do you mean still? they're opening more (see Latin America) |
| 11:05.44 | amro | most likely us realm farms |
| 11:06.58 | bleeter | yes, that's what I meant (cept not 'more than likely', it's 'yes, they expand their usage of US farms for non-US regions') |
| 11:08.46 | bleeter | meh, I guess I shouldn't expect too much from a company that when receiving a bug report about a timezone issue still persisting 12 months later, asks it's users to log in and confirm that it's happening on other realms rather than getting off their butt and looking themselves. So yeah, clear precise info in the Alerts is prolly too much to ask for. |
| 11:09.33 | Josh_Borke | bleeter: probably |
| 11:09.39 | Josh_Borke | bleeter: but damn their game is addictive/good |
| 11:11.28 | bleeter | Josh_Borke: can't be that good. Took over one year and the RaF program to go from 10 to 11 mil users |
| 11:11.44 | Josh_Borke | hm |
| 11:11.45 | bleeter | and I suspect a lot of that gain is people getting second accounts under RaF |
| 11:11.57 | Josh_Borke | and what is the next most popular mmorpg? |
| 11:12.27 | bleeter | what's popularity got to do with the price of fish? |
| 11:12.28 | Josh_Borke | lua> 1000000/365/24/60 |
| 11:12.29 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 1.9025875190259 |
| 11:12.46 | Josh_Borke | 1 million users is an average of almost 2 new accounts every minute |
| 11:12.47 | bleeter | apart from when you're operating a monopoly, it's easy to get slack on the detail |
| 11:13.08 | Josh_Borke | lua> 11000000/4/365/24/60 |
| 11:13.09 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 5.2321156773212 |
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| 11:13.31 | Josh_Borke | averaging 5 accounts every minute seems like a good game to me |
| 11:13.49 | Mikk | And do keep in mind that this is 11 mill accounts generating new ticks once a month |
| 11:13.53 | Mikk | Not onetime shopping |
| 11:15.17 | Josh_Borke | if you look at top game purchases, there are 15 games approximately that have sold more units than wow |
| 11:15.36 | bleeter | seriously... how does popular equate to good? |
| 11:15.57 | Josh_Borke | why would anyone play a game they didn't enjoy? |
| 11:16.17 | zenzio | <bleeter> Josh_Borke: can't be that good. Took over one year and the RaF program to go from 10 to 11 mil users <-- although there may be some truth to this argument, I'd assume there's only so many gamers interested in MMOs; expecting constant (significant) growth seems illogical |
| 11:16.40 | Codayus | bleeter: BEcause that'd the definition. Good - adjective - "Being positive or desirable in nature". People desire to play WoW because it's good. |
| 11:17.02 | bleeter | zenzio: hmm, market saturation point? |
| 11:17.18 | bleeter | Codayus: no, that's saying 'People desire to play WoW because people desire WoW' |
| 11:17.54 | bleeter | The policies of Wall Street were popular |
| 11:17.57 | zenzio | bleeter: sorry, my English isn't sufficient to understand "market saturation" |
| 11:17.59 | bleeter | and we can see how good they were |
| 11:18.15 | Josh_Borke | zenzio: then you just FAIL |
| 11:18.18 | Josh_Borke | zenzio: j/k :-D |
| 11:18.25 | Codayus | bleeter: Indeed. This is what's called a network effect. :-p |
| 11:18.29 | bleeter | zenzio: there are no more customers to be had. |
| 11:18.50 | zenzio | Josh_Borke: my English has been known to fail badly |
| 11:18.57 | bleeter | Windows is popular. Does that make it good? |
| 11:19.27 | Codayus | bleeter: Obviously. That should hardly even need to be stated. |
| 11:19.35 | foxlit | I've got two words: |
| 11:19.37 | Codayus | Good at WHAT...is a different matter. |
| 11:19.38 | foxlit | Tron Paul. |
| 11:20.06 | bleeter | good is subjective, popularity isn't. |
| 11:20.50 | Josh_Borke | i would say that my point is that on the whole WoW must be good because it is popular and it is popular because it is good |
| 11:21.37 | Codayus | bleeter: As already mentioned, you're wrong. People buy Windows because they WANT to, and things people WANT to buy are good. That is, in fact, the ACTUAL DEFINITION. (Well, one of them. Good has many definitions...) |
| 11:21.38 | Josh_Borke | it has succeeded because it is a single player game in a multi-player universe, imo |
| 11:22.04 | foxlit | what, you've never wanted to buy something BAD? :) |
| 11:22.24 | Flowy | how to do that pls |
| 11:22.25 | Flowy | for i=1,25 do |
| 11:22.25 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]:SetText("end"); |
| 11:22.25 | Flowy | end |
| 11:22.40 | bleeter | McCarthyism was popular. Was it good? |
| 11:22.59 | Josh_Borke | for i=1,25 do getglobal("MLootRaid"..i):SetText("end"); end |
| 11:23.14 | Flowy | thx |
| 11:23.38 | Josh_Borke | unless MLootRaid actually is a table with numerical keys that have fontstrings as values |
| 11:24.22 | Flowy | its fontstring in frame layer |
| 11:24.34 | Codayus | bleeter: To the extent it was popular, then it was a good political strategy yes. |
| 11:25.09 | Codayus | You appear to be confusing "good" with "moral" or "well engineered". These are not synonymous. :-) |
| 11:25.25 | bleeter | neither are popular and good, though |
| 11:25.41 | Josh_Borke | i'm lost |
| 11:26.04 | Flowy | Josh_Borke and do you know how to link item in ui pls? |
| 11:26.18 | Josh_Borke | nope |
| 11:26.49 | Flowy | i need something clickable that open item info |
| 11:28.29 | [dRaCo] | anyone with an LDB durability/autorepair addon? |
| 11:30.05 | Codayus | (Of course, McCarthyism wasn't particulary succesful nor popular; I wouldn't call it a good strategy. It did McCarthy himself little good beyond a very brief moment of fame, and has since made his name a byword for lies and politicall motivated witchhunts. That's rather beside the point, of course.) |
| 11:32.01 | foxlit | "foxlit: Tron Paul." had no effect. qq! |
| 11:32.18 | Codayus | foxlit: Eh, the comic was alright... |
| 11:32.19 | foxlit | I suppose linking http://www.xkcd.com/ is redundant at this point. |
| 11:32.56 | foxlit | "alright" doesn't even begin to cover it :) |
| 11:33.21 | Codayus | I liked the last one better. |
| 11:33.33 | foxlit | But it didn't have epic boing boing action :( |
| 11:33.49 | Codayus | It had the guy in the hat though. |
| 11:33.54 | Codayus | He's my hero. |
| 11:34.14 | bleeter | foxlit: if I knew who Ron Paul was... it might've. Is he good or popular? :P |
| 11:34.28 | Codayus | Oh dear... |
| 11:34.32 | Codayus | Difficult to explain... |
| 11:34.44 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul |
| 11:35.03 | bleeter | foxlit: well I know that now as I had to go read xkcd then look it up :P |
| 11:35.07 | foxlit | Republican congressman who ran in the primaries with a platform of "we don't need no government!" |
| 11:35.39 | foxlit | Got a disproportionate amount of online support, but failed miserably to get actual votes. |
| 11:36.16 | foxlit | Not the first time he appears on xkcd, either :P |
| 11:36.33 | foxlit | http://xkcd.com/367/ |
| 11:37.00 | bleeter | I don't read it every day. Some of the localisms go straight over my head, and thus it's not considered essential ;) |
| 11:37.22 | Codayus | A rather accurate portrayal of Paul's base of support, I fear... |
| 11:37.28 | foxlit | Meh, I end up watching daily show/colbert. |
| 11:37.45 | foxlit | Which is a humorous way to catch up on who's who in american politics. |
| 11:37.46 | bleeter | http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/10/29/moir3010_gallery__600x342,0.jpg |
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| 11:40.27 | bleeter | Cairenn: re: topic. is it OK to think about using your blackberry instead? |
| 11:49.04 | bleeter | haha |
| 11:49.06 | bleeter | and there we go |
| 11:49.23 | bleeter | barthilas explodes in fury 'BUT THEY SAID US REALMS, NOT ALL REALMS' |
| 11:49.44 | bleeter | 'but that's because the person who posted that is a downie' etc. etc. |
| 11:49.59 | bleeter | I'm not even gunna report the rest of the offensive language directed at blizz staff |
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| 11:57.31 | Flowy | pls which event call if someone in raid use /roll? |
| 11:57.39 | Flowy | is called* |
| 11:57.57 | Josh_Borke | Flowy: did you look on wowprogramming.com or wowwiki.com for the events? |
| 11:58.15 | Flowy | its system message or something special? |
| 11:59.36 | Josh_Borke | it's an event |
| 11:59.41 | Josh_Borke | so look under events |
| 12:00.25 | Josh_Borke | Flowy: also, you can use dtchatevent from devtools and see exactly what event it was |
| 12:00.27 | Josh_Borke | ~devtools |
| 12:00.28 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 12:01.20 | Kalroth | START_LOOT_ROLLFires when a new group loot roll is started. |
| 12:01.20 | Kalroth | CANCEL_LOOT_ROLLFires when you cancel a roll on an item. |
| 12:01.20 | Kalroth | CONFIRM_LOOT_ROLLFires when you attempt to roll on an item that is bind on pickup. |
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| 12:02.14 | Flowy | Kalroth i need when someone use /roll |
| 12:02.19 | Flowy | not when group loot |
| 12:03.44 | amro | check the event list on wowwiki, it's there somewhere |
| 12:03.46 | Kalroth | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:rrCIQT_DeDEJ:forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html%3Bjsessionid%3D78B72457E620353DCFD46DA50F64612D.app11_07%3FtopicId%3D7738385363%26sid%3D1+CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM+roll&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3 it's cached on google only, check post 8 and onwards |
| 12:06.35 | Kalroth | RANDOM_ROLL_RESULT = "%s rolls %d (%d-%d)"; -- Example: Jeremy rolls 4 (1-10) |
| 12:06.42 | Kalroth | Taken from GlobalStrings.lua |
| 12:07.46 | Dotted | [dRaCo] tekability |
| 12:08.24 | Dotted | or maybe not |
| 12:08.27 | Hirsute | Is there a way for an addon to obtain a list of all registered slash commands? |
| 12:11.15 | Redguard | SlashCmdList[] |
| 12:11.39 | Hirsute | Redguard: Okay, going to look that one up before asking further questions. |
| 12:12.08 | Flowy | Josh_Borke what is command for dev tools in game? |
| 12:12.16 | Flowy | devtolls |
| 12:12.25 | Flowy | and developmenttools dont work |
| 12:12.39 | Flowy | and no button near minimap |
| 12:13.11 | Josh_Borke | Flowy: /dtchatevent |
| 12:13.12 | zenzio | /dt<tab> |
| 12:13.23 | zenzio | probably in the readme or something too |
| 12:13.39 | Josh_Borke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 |
| 12:13.44 | Josh_Borke | has all the available commands |
| 12:13.48 | Hirsute | Redguard: Okay, will that return the standard Blizz slash commands, too, or just the ones created by Addons? |
| 12:14.06 | Josh_Borke | Hirsute: it is all slash commands available |
| 12:14.23 | Flowy | cool addon |
| 12:14.35 | Hirsute | Josh_Borke: Awesome, thanks! This makes me very happy. |
| 12:14.48 | Josh_Borke | Hirsute: it is populated as addons are loaded |
| 12:16.35 | Hirsute | Josh_Borke: So if I want to write an addon that allows users to create arbitrary slash commands, and have it check to make sure we don't create any with the same name as an already existing slash command, I'll want to register a frame for ADDONS_LOADED and wait for that to check the SlashCmdList table, correct? |
| 12:16.59 | Hirsute | same name meaning same actual slash command |
| 12:17.24 | Josh_Borke | i would just check every time they go to create a slash command |
| 12:17.42 | Hirsute | Josh_Borke: That's an even better idea, thanks! |
| 12:17.47 | Hirsute | <--Up too early. |
| 12:19.38 | Redguard | this daily server shutdown b/s is irritating |
| 12:22.07 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 12:22.24 | geno-afk | ^ |
| 12:24.35 | Flowy | if i want to create table in raid that contains raid member number and their nick&class |
| 12:24.46 | Flowy | its Raid[nuber][nick] |
| 12:24.55 | Flowy | and Raid[number][class] ? |
| 12:25.19 | Josh_Borke | it's however you want to set it up |
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| 12:41.16 | Kraps | any idea why theres maintenance now? |
| 12:42.18 | Flowy | how to break for loop? |
| 12:42.31 | Flowy | "for" |
| 12:42.39 | Kraps | er... |
| 12:42.48 | Kraps | what? |
| 12:42.59 | Flowy | when i want to stop loop |
| 12:43.10 | Flowy | in C is command break |
| 12:43.13 | Flowy | what is in lua? |
| 12:43.20 | Kraps | not a programmer sorry |
| 12:44.08 | Elkano | break works too, only there is no continue |
| 12:46.44 | Flowy | /script for i=1,10 do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(format("%d",i)); if i=6 then break; end end |
| 12:46.46 | Flowy | dont work |
| 12:51.14 | amro | ~pil |
| 12:51.14 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 12:51.15 | Mikk | indeed, use "==", not "=" |
| 12:51.25 | Mikk | in the comparison that is |
| 12:51.32 | Flowy | yeah sry |
| 12:51.48 | amro | i=6 wouldn't work in C either :) |
| 12:52.01 | Mikk | lua> for i=1,3 do print(format("%d",i)); if i==2 then break; end end |
| 12:52.01 | lua_bot | Mikk: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value) |
| 12:52.08 | Mikk | lua> for i=1,3 do print(string.format("%d",i)); if i==2 then break; end end |
| 12:52.08 | lua_bot | Mikk: 1, 2 |
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| 12:57.56 | bleeter | anyone else having forum posting issues? |
| 12:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, everyone. |
| 12:58.44 | bleeter | *Blizz forum. I log in, press 'reply', type my stuff. Press post. Get a NoScript error about XSS, and the avatar selector says the account I'm logged in on is not able to post on this forum. |
| 12:59.24 | bleeter | oO ok, unsafe reload makes the post go |
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| 13:03.11 | bleeter | I'd report it as a bug, and do the testing.. but as I don't do any of that stuff evar for blizz... screwem anyways |
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| 13:10.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'd hate to think you'd hug me accidentally, zenzio. |
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| 13:22.29 | Hirsute | Sometimes, I love to see threads disappear from the Official forums. |
| 13:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | Every now and then, it's a beautiful thing. |
| 13:24.22 | Hirsute | Especially when the thread was full of epic stupid (the TrackerAlarm thread in UI/Macro) |
| 13:24.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hadn't seen it. Glad to know the street sweepers come by occasionally to save us. |
| 13:25.33 | Flowy | function MLoot_OnLoad() |
| 13:25.35 | Flowy | this:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_RAID_WARNING"); |
| 13:25.37 | Flowy | local MLootRaid = {}; |
| 13:25.38 | bleeter | no, I didn't go to bed. |
| 13:25.39 | Flowy | for i=1,25 do |
| 13:25.41 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]["roll"] = 0; |
| 13:25.43 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]["name"] = 0; |
| 13:25.45 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]["class"] = 0; |
| 13:25.47 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]["subgroup"] = 0; |
| 13:25.49 | Flowy | end; |
| 13:25.49 | Mikk | ... |
| 13:25.50 | bleeter | I notice the CSF/GM thread relating to the same topic also got deleted |
| 13:25.51 | Flowy | MLoot_Reset(); |
| 13:25.52 | bleeter | Flowy: STOP |
| 13:25.54 | Flowy | what is bad pls? |
| 13:26.12 | bleeter | if you're going to paste large amounts of code, use http://wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 13:26.18 | Flowy | its all |
| 13:26.21 | bleeter | then when the URL of the paste bin is made, paste the URL in here |
| 13:26.31 | bleeter | any more than 3 or 5 lines, really. |
| 13:27.02 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100148 |
| 13:27.04 | Mikk | Your problem is that you've got MLootRaid declared as local inside the MLoot_OnLoad() function. Meaning that no other function can access it. |
| 13:27.07 | Flowy | what is bad on this pls? |
| 13:27.08 | Mikk | Declare it outside the function. |
| 13:27.20 | bleeter | the advantage of pastey, is one can also add in one's own thoughts and questions and comments without filling up the # as well :) |
| 13:27.22 | Flowy | ah ok |
| 13:27.24 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: Brief summary Rekirts:"I have a program that runs outside of WoW that plays a ding when a node shows up on my minimap, is this bad?" The Whole Community:"Yes, it's pretty obvious they don't want you to be able to do that" Rekirts: "No it isn't, there's no rules against it." TWC:"Now you're being stupid, yes there are, here they are...." Rekirts: "no u" |
| 13:27.47 | Mikk | lmapo |
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| 13:28.25 | bleeter | Hirsute: as I said in the other #, I hear faint echos of Magelo |
| 13:28.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that one. |
| 13:28.33 | Kaso | I just noticed my UK mac keyboard doesnt have # printed on it anywhere, struggled to figure out how to join an irc channel >< |
| 13:28.38 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100149 |
| 13:28.39 | Hirsute | Then sometime in the last 8 hours or so, the thread disappeared. bleeter: Aye. |
| 13:28.45 | Flowy | it dont want to call reset |
| 13:28.46 | Flowy | why? |
| 13:28.52 | Hirsute | Magelo was mentioned, Rekirts ignored it and told everyone they were stupid. |
| 13:29.16 | bleeter | well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news.. but on the whole.. as a species.. we are pretty stupid still ;) |
| 13:29.25 | Mikk | And 13 year olds are stupider still |
| 13:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | nice. Yeah, enjoy having Warden targeted at your system, Rekirts. |
| 13:29.39 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100149 |
| 13:30.06 | Mikk | Flowy: Do you even have Lua errors enabled so you can see what errors? |
| 13:30.08 | Hirsute | Now we'll see if he does the old, "get a new account to log on and ask why he was banned, only to be banned again" trick. |
| 13:30.10 | Flowy | why it dont call reset? |
| 13:30.58 | Flowy | mikk where to enable this? |
| 13:31.03 | Mikk | interface settings |
| 13:31.22 | Flowy | i got it |
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| 13:32.04 | Flowy | lua:35: ")" expected near "=" |
| 13:32.05 | bleeter | Hirsute: my favourites are the CSF/GM threads that get locked, so the OP reposts, that gets locked too. Three hours later, back. And locked again. A day or three later. Repost. Locked again. Then the next account starts posting. |
| 13:33.54 | Flowy | Mikk lua:6: attempt to index field "?" (a nil value) |
| 13:34.10 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]["roll"] = 0; |
| 13:34.15 | Flowy | is 6th line |
| 13:35.38 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100149 |
| 13:35.44 | Flowy | error is lua:6: attempt to index field "?" (a nil value) |
| 13:35.49 | Flowy | what is bad pls? |
| 13:36.04 | Redguard | Flowy what this means is |
| 13:36.11 | Redguard | A. i is undefined |
| 13:36.31 | Redguard | B. whatever i is defined as, that array index does not exist - for example |
| 13:36.33 | Redguard | i = 5 |
| 13:36.40 | Redguard | MLootRaid[5] = nil |
| 13:36.55 | Josh_Borke | the answer is A! |
| 13:36.55 | Redguard | which means you are doing nil.roll = 5 |
| 13:37.08 | Josh_Borke | lua> nil[5] |
| 13:37.08 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 13:37.13 | Redguard | ok |
| 13:37.14 | Josh_Borke | lua> print(nil[5]) |
| 13:37.14 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: ')' expected near '[' |
| 13:37.15 | Redguard | then the answer is A |
| 13:37.21 | Josh_Borke | lua> print(fred[5]) |
| 13:37.22 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'fred' (a nil value) |
| 13:37.26 | Redguard | lua> print abc[nil] |
| 13:37.26 | lua_bot | Redguard: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'abc' |
| 13:37.32 | Redguard | lua> abc[nil] |
| 13:37.33 | lua_bot | Redguard: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'abc' (a nil value) |
| 13:37.49 | Redguard | lua> t = {}; t[nil]; |
| 13:37.49 | lua_bot | Redguard: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 13:37.53 | Redguard | i hate you lua |
| 13:38.15 | Redguard | anyhow, the answer is likely i is undefined, simply |
| 13:39.31 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100150 |
| 13:39.39 | Flowy | its still bad |
| 13:40.24 | Redguard | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100151 |
| 13:40.37 | Redguard | the answer was B. |
| 13:40.39 | Redguard | :o |
| 13:41.05 | Flowy | and i must define var "i" ? |
| 13:41.15 | Flowy | when im using it just for "for" ? |
| 13:41.18 | Josh_Borke | i hadn't looked at the code at all |
| 13:41.26 | Redguard | Flowy please look at my revision, before speaking |
| 13:41.27 | Josh_Borke | Flowy: no, you must define what is MLootRaid[i] |
| 13:41.31 | Mikk | Flowy: no, "i" gets defined by the for loop |
| 13:41.33 | Redguard | (that is not meant to come off offensive) |
| 13:41.39 | Flowy | thx |
| 13:42.38 | Pheredhel | uhm, looks like i got something wrong won wowui... if I create a zip, it looks like there the base folder is not created within. how can I change it, that it does create the addon folder from trunk? |
| 13:43.10 | Redguard | Flowy: imagine it like this, you create a road called "Simple St." then you try to go in the master bedroom of 123 Simple St. |
| 13:43.18 | Redguard | the street exists, but the house on the street does not :( |
| 13:43.31 | Redguard | make the house, then make the pieces of the house |
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| 13:45.15 | Pheredhel | ah ok found it |
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| 13:52.05 | Flowy | Redguard i have problem hmm |
| 13:52.12 | Flowy | for i=1,25 do |
| 13:52.12 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i] = {}; |
| 13:52.12 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]["roll"] = 0; |
| 13:52.15 | Flowy | is now ok |
| 13:52.25 | Flowy | for z=1,25 do |
| 13:52.25 | Flowy | if not MLootRaid[z]["name"] then |
| 13:52.25 | Flowy | MLootRaid[z]["name"] = name; |
| 13:52.31 | Flowy | but why this make same error? |
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| 13:53.30 | Flowy | i have defined MLootRaid[i]... or MLootRaid[1] ... ? |
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| 13:54.59 | Pheredhel | uhm, what error? |
| 13:55.10 | Flowy | same like before |
| 13:55.16 | Flowy | its not defined |
| 13:55.19 | Flowy | MLootRaid[z]["name"] |
| 13:55.20 | Flowy | this |
| 13:55.30 | Flowy | but why? "z" is variable |
| 13:55.42 | Flowy | its 1-25 |
| 13:55.59 | Flowy | and i define MLootRaid[1-25] on start |
| 13:56.05 | Josh_Borke | Flowy: do you understand that you have to define what is at MLootRaid[z] first? |
| 13:56.14 | Flowy | for i=1,25 do |
| 13:56.14 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i] = {}; |
| 13:56.16 | Flowy | or not? |
| 13:56.20 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 13:56.23 | Josh_Borke | pastey your code |
| 13:56.25 | Flowy | ... |
| 13:56.42 | Pheredhel | what is the error, like now I'm still searching |
| 13:57.42 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100154 |
| 13:58.18 | Flowy | for i=1,25 do |
| 13:58.18 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i] = {}; |
| 13:58.30 | Flowy | this define MLootRaidi or 1-25??? |
| 13:58.35 | Josh_Borke | Flowy: what do MLoot_Reset do? |
| 13:58.51 | Flowy | its just for table |
| 13:58.57 | Flowy | dont use any var |
| 13:59.00 | Josh_Borke | Flowy: what does it do? |
| 13:59.20 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100155 |
| 13:59.59 | Josh_Borke | based on that snippet there is nothing wrong with your code |
| 14:00.18 | Flowy | ... its return error like before |
| 14:00.27 | Flowy | lua:6: attempt to index field "?" (a nil value) |
| 14:00.28 | Josh_Borke | ok, but based on that code there is nothing wrong |
| 14:00.29 | Flowy | but another line |
| 14:00.36 | Josh_Borke | that means you are doing something somewhere else that is messing it up |
| 14:00.43 | Josh_Borke | my bet is that you are modifying MLootRaid |
| 14:01.20 | Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100156 |
| 14:01.23 | Flowy | that is full lua |
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| 14:02.27 | Pheredhel | what is the error? |
| 14:02.31 | Josh_Borke | is MLootRaid a saved variable? |
| 14:02.52 | Flowy | MLootRaid1-25 is fontstring |
| 14:03.01 | Flowy | and MLootRaid[1-25] is table |
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| 14:03.30 | Flowy | lua:23: attempt to index field "?" (a nil value) |
| 14:06.17 | Flowy | i try to change i for z x) |
| 14:07.38 | Flowy | still error |
| 14:07.58 | Flowy | lua:23:attempt to index field "?" (a nil value) |
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| 14:15.20 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i] = { |
| 14:15.20 | Flowy | MLootRaid[i]["roll"], |
| 14:15.24 | Flowy | }; |
| 14:15.32 | Flowy | can be table defined like this? |
| 14:15.51 | krka | technically tes |
| 14:15.52 | krka | yes |
| 14:15.57 | krka | but it doesn't seem very useful |
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| 14:16.39 | zenzio | I think you might want to spend some time reading parts of the PiL which someone linked you earlier Flowy |
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| 14:20.30 | Flowy | lua:31:bad argument #1 to "match" (string expected, got nil) |
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| 14:23.19 | Flowy | local name, result, min, max = string.match(msg, "(%a+) rolls (%d+) %((%d+)-(%d+)%)") |
| 14:23.41 | Flowy | where i can find %a and another? |
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| 14:24.13 | alestane | Where can you find what they mean? |
| 14:24.49 | Flowy | what is name for "%a" |
| 14:25.00 | Flowy | in which section on http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 14:25.14 | alestane | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 14:25.48 | alestane | In PiL it.s section 20.1 |
| 14:26.30 | alestane | And 20.2 |
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| 14:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | ~huggle |Jelly| |
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| 14:31.06 | kneeki | wooo |
| 14:31.10 | Redguard | what if she is a smurf? |
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| 14:31.15 | kneeki | Intrebid Ibex today! |
| 14:31.16 | kneeki | :D |
| 14:31.30 | |Jelly| | She's not; I know her better than you do. |
| 14:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | I am seriously not smurflike. Jelly is correct. |
| 14:31.47 | Redguard | hehe |
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| 14:32.30 | |Jelly| | Peppy, I am in need of cookies though. |
| 14:32.43 | zenzio | that's an interesting thing to call it |
| 14:33.00 | Redguard | you never heard of someone getting a cookie zenzio? |
| 14:33.40 | zenzio | a "cookie" |
| 14:33.57 | ckknight | howdy, |Jelly| |
| 14:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | Did I show you the cookies I was making last night, |Jelly|? |
| 14:34.09 | |Jelly| | ckknight: How are you doing? |
| 14:34.19 | |Jelly| | Peppy: Nope! WTB! |
| 14:34.19 | ckknight | I'm alright, just got in to work |
| 14:34.41 | |Jelly| | ckknight: Sounds ... fun. |
| 14:34.48 | ckknight | I like my job |
| 14:34.57 | |Jelly| | What do you do? |
| 14:35.04 | Redguard | he works at fun factory |
| 14:35.18 | ckknight | I work on curseforge and wowace |
| 14:35.27 | Redguard | ie. fun factory |
| 14:35.30 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, http://smittenkitchen.com/2007/05/my-kingdom-for-a-glass-of-milk/ |
| 14:36.00 | ckknight | hehe, cool, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:36.29 | |Jelly| | So ... WoW is a job for you, ckk? And you don't even play? |
| 14:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | Without a mixer or food processor, no less... Hardcore! |
| 14:36.48 | |Jelly| | Peppy: WTB |
| 14:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | WTS 6 hours of hard work for 24 finished cookies! |
| 14:38.24 | Redguard | hehe Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:38.32 | Redguard | that page reminds me of a story |
| 14:39.32 | Redguard | woman always tell the longest stories including what everyone else was doing, their emotions and feelings at the time, and every other minor detail |
| 14:39.40 | Redguard | when a guy tells a story, it's short and blunt |
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| 14:40.07 | Redguard | your story has a lot of vivid details and feelings |
| 14:40.32 | Redguard | I can summarize that from my perspective in 2 sentences :P |
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| 14:41.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's not my story. That's a link to a recipe online. |
| 14:41.53 | Redguard | well, whoever's story it is |
| 14:41.58 | Redguard | I found very entertaining :) |
| 14:42.28 | |Jelly| | I guess the difference is, no one would want to read two sentences full of ... nothing interesting to anyone else but you. |
| 14:42.46 | Redguard | "I had a busy week and since I was rushed for time I made some oreos everyone liked from before, here's the recipe:" |
| 14:43.05 | Redguard | |Jelly| if they wouldn't read two sentences, why would they read 2 pages of the same thing? |
| 14:43.13 | ckknight | |Jelly|: sorry, got distracted. yea, basically. I don't play WoW, I just make dev tools, basically |
| 14:43.39 | |Jelly| | I think you answered your own question: the women who wrote that article are the same women who read it and to them, they want the story behind it. |
| 14:43.59 | Redguard | yea? |
| 14:44.11 | cladhaire | Mikk: Can you SSH into our box? |
| 14:44.14 | Redguard | I can't answer that question, I will take your word on it that they like the stories |
| 14:44.18 | Mikk | cladhaire: testing |
| 14:44.30 | Mikk | cladhaire: no, RSTed |
| 14:44.57 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 14:45.16 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/897805eb7938aaab7c7d93ac19e510d7.png |
| 14:45.17 | cladhaire | fun |
| 14:45.48 | Redguard | ./facepalm? |
| 14:46.14 | cladhaire | I'm gonna reboot, since I can't get on in any way |
| 14:46.16 | cladhaire | this could be fun >< |
| 14:46.22 | Redguard | good luck |
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| 14:49.15 | cladhaire | =( |
| 14:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | Uh-oh. |
| 14:50.11 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 14:50.11 | purl | thanks, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:50.16 | Lopeppeppy | At least purl stays with us. |
| 14:50.25 | Drak[H|AD] | gah |
| 14:50.30 | Drak[H|AD] | I hate bugs |
| 14:50.51 | Drak[H|AD] | SSC, and I cant change target - no matter what I target and shoot at my shots goes to my focus target |
| 14:51.00 | Drak[H|AD] | the target my focus is targeting that is |
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| 14:51.30 | Redguard | ssc, huh? |
| 14:51.56 | cladhaire | Mikk: I'll look around, let me know if you figure anything out tho! |
| 14:54.06 | cladhaire | fail2ban probably banned us for some reason |
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| 14:56.19 | Larana | Where did lua_bot go? |
| 14:56.52 | lua_bot | I was on vacation, but Im' back now.. |
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| 14:59.22 | Lopeppeppy | ... that's priceless. |
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| 15:00.10 | Redguard | i just got an ad on a webpage, "britney spears' IQ = 137" and next to it "britney spears' IQ = 124" - are you smarter than britney spears? |
| 15:00.20 | Larana | Ah, I didn't see you come back on lua_bot, welcome back. |
| 15:00.28 | Larana | ;) |
| 15:00.31 | Redguard | I think the real question is, is the designer of that ad smarter than a rock? :/ |
| 15:00.53 | Mikk | Aren't they listing all celebs as having high IQ .... |
| 15:00.56 | Larana | Or they're not talking about the pop star |
| 15:01.20 | Redguard | lua> print(".") |
| 15:01.20 | lua_bot | Redguard: . |
| 15:01.39 | Redguard | Larana the odd part being the same add conflicting with it's own story |
| 15:01.55 | Redguard | it is like saying I'm a compulsive liar, please trust me |
| 15:01.59 | Redguard | click this |
| 15:02.32 | Larana | Two different Brittanys, maybe... or just poor coding on the ad author's part. |
| 15:02.47 | Redguard | I'm leaning towards a hack job on the author's part |
| 15:02.57 | Redguard | which I see all too often |
| 15:03.29 | Mikk | Can anyone think of a limited availability item that is sold in lots of more than 1? |
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| 15:04.20 | cladhaire | you mean where there is more than one available? |
| 15:05.04 | Redguard | some vendors sell random motes |
| 15:05.23 | Redguard | there are times when there are limited > 1, yes mikk |
| 15:05.29 | cladhaire | some sell herbs |
| 15:05.32 | cladhaire | and same, yes |
| 15:05.32 | Redguard | off hand I can't recall all of them |
| 15:05.37 | Mikk | No, I don't mean that |
| 15:05.45 | Mikk | I meant like... vials or something |
| 15:06.01 | Redguard | well you're going to have to be more specific with "or something" |
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| 15:06.08 | Redguard | if you don't mean motes or herbs |
| 15:06.15 | Mikk | Things that you can't buy in quantities of 1 |
| 15:06.22 | Mikk | Rather in x5 or more |
| 15:06.23 | Redguard | hm |
| 15:06.52 | Redguard | yea that limits things a bit |
| 15:07.35 | Mikk | I've been racking my brain but can't really think of any |
| 15:07.46 | Mikk | So maybe it doesn't really matter if I don't test with that :o) |
| 15:08.33 | Mikk | (Specifically, I'm wondering if the available quantity field is the number of times you can rightclick.. or the resulting number of items you get in your bag) |
| 15:09.04 | Redguard | i would assume the first |
| 15:09.59 | Redguard | 1 stack for sale |
| 15:10.04 | Redguard | you buy the 1 stack |
| 15:10.42 | Redguard | if an object has sub objects shouldn't matter, is how I'm thinking |
| 15:12.22 | Mikk | Mmm true, it ought to correspond to how you buy them |
| 15:13.22 | Larana | Is Danae a masculine name? |
| 15:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | Not at first glance, Larana. |
| 15:14.14 | Lopeppeppy | In greek mythology, that's a female character. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana%C3%AB |
| 15:14.26 | Larana | Every doctor, nurse, tech, and hospital worker that saw her name yesterday automatically assumed my daughter was a boy. |
| 15:14.28 | Redguard | Larana seems feminine to me |
| 15:14.37 | Redguard | ae has a dainty feel to it |
| 15:14.44 | Larana | Heh, thanks |
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| 15:15.07 | Larana | And yes Lopeppeppy we named her after the mother of Perseus |
| 15:15.10 | Redguard | ie. desirae |
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| 15:15.39 | Wikwocket | Hokay who broke the realm status page? :) |
| 15:16.15 | Redguard | Larana oddly you will find the human brain tries to match unknown objects into known objects |
| 15:16.29 | Redguard | it will try to match Danae into something like "Danny" |
| 15:16.35 | Redguard | if that makes sense |
| 15:17.07 | Larana | It does. But just was wondering if more than just hospital workers thought the name to male. |
| 15:17.15 | Redguard | I think if the name were more commonly used, people would assume it is a female |
| 15:18.36 | Redguard | Larana I think the assumption goes beyond hospital workers, and it's just a degree of how people think |
| 15:18.48 | Lopeppeppy | If they think. |
| 15:18.52 | Redguard | if someone sees the name.. Danni |
| 15:18.59 | Redguard | I would assume it's a female |
| 15:19.05 | Redguard | some might assume it's a guy. |
| 15:19.21 | Redguard | depends on your culture perhaps? :/ |
| 15:19.38 | Wikwocket | Anyone know if you can use file path overriding to effectively replace the WoW loading screens? |
| 15:19.54 | Redguard | Wikwocket I don't belive they want you to do that |
| 15:20.37 | Redguard | Lopeppeppy what's the phonetics of Danae? |
| 15:20.38 | Larana | Well it's the curse we gave our children. I guess our eldest Bronwynne will always have her name pronounced Brownin, and Danae will be confused as a boy on paper. |
| 15:20.39 | Wikwocket | Yes, but my wife doesn't like the new ones.... rock and a hard place my friend! |
| 15:20.54 | Redguard | Wikwocket lol :) |
| 15:20.56 | Larana | Da-nay |
| 15:21.11 | Larana | Duh-nay |
| 15:21.22 | Larana | Bron-win |
| 15:21.49 | Redguard | bron-win i get, but people trying to find the unknown "bron" and reading it as "brown" |
| 15:21.51 | Redguard | I can see that |
| 15:21.56 | Wikwocket | There's a thread on the WoW forum that suggests that file overrides work, but someone else says they don't |
| 15:22.27 | Wikwocket | I won't repack an MPQ but if I can drop a BLP in the right folder it might be worth it |
| 15:22.56 | krka | you names your eldest bronwynne and still didnt learn from your mistake? :) |
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| 15:24.53 | Redguard | people see Danae, think dah-nay, and drop it to dah-ny->dan-ny if i had to bet money on it, ie. masculine to them |
| 15:25.05 | Redguard | it's interesting to analyze how conclusions are met |
| 15:25.14 | Redguard | and then slap them for assuming :( |
| 15:25.48 | Redguard | Wikwocket: I am not sure, but I'll poke at some of the MPQ files and see if I notice loading screens |
| 15:25.59 | Wikwocket | Oh I think I have the paths for them |
| 15:26.20 | Wikwocket | I just need to a) find good alternate BLPs, and b) find out if file overriding works on 'em |
| 15:28.06 | Redguard | i just noticed the blizzard extraction tool is not extracting all the files from the newest patch |
| 15:28.11 | Redguard | xml and other files |
| 15:28.20 | Redguard | it is with holding from me :( |
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| 15:45.53 | cogwheel | RAWR! |
| 15:46.32 | Redguard | rawr can not be executed while in combat |
| 15:47.33 | malreth | stupid goddamn blizzard |
| 15:47.37 | malreth | they hate addons |
| 15:47.44 | cogwheel | ~lart malreth |
| 15:47.44 | purl | burns malreth to a crisp with a laser |
| 15:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 15:50.04 | Redguard | cogwheel do you know in arena what frame or file the player count is from |
| 15:50.13 | Redguard | where it states "X players on team whatever" |
| 15:50.24 | Redguard | how many are there / alive? |
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| 15:50.44 | Redguard | I need to load this dev addon, maybe it'll tell me |
| 15:52.19 | Wikwocket | DevTools will do that, it has an option to show what frames are under the mouse |
| 15:52.23 | Wikwocket | ~devtools |
| 15:52.24 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 15:52.32 | Redguard | will do |
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| 15:58.05 | Wikwocket | More political spam? |
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| 15:59.07 | malreth | how about a friendly kick |
| 15:59.13 | malreth | ~kick soufron |
| 15:59.13 | purl | ACTION kicks soufron |
| 15:59.15 | zenzelezz | I don't think it's spam as such |
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| 15:59.45 | zenzelezz | he's just not very talkative, and speaks in /me when he does |
| 16:00.41 | zenzelezz | (thought I may be wrong, the log was rather full of quits/joins) |
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| 16:00.50 | soufron | malreth roooo |
| 16:00.50 | zenzelezz | -t |
| 16:00.57 | soufron | well you never talk to me either :-) |
| 16:01.12 | AbsoRayne | Who wants to see something really cool? |
| 16:01.30 | malreth | oooh! meee! |
| 16:01.33 | malreth | meeeeeeee! |
| 16:01.34 | AbsoRayne | and no its not WoW related at all |
| 16:01.40 | malreth | show me1 |
| 16:01.49 | AbsoRayne | http://s.ngm.com/2008/11/crystal-giants/img/crystal-cave-615.jpg |
| 16:01.53 | AbsoRayne | I want to go there before I die. |
| 16:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god yes please. |
| 16:02.02 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 16:02.08 | Syzgyn | Wow |
| 16:02.21 | malreth | hmm |
| 16:02.48 | malreth | don't trip |
| 16:02.59 | AbsoRayne | http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/giant-crystal-cave-3569/Overview too |
| 16:03.20 | AbsoRayne | Set your TiVOs! |
| 16:04.14 | Larana | krka: Both my husband and I have very plain, 10 of us in a class, type names. We intentionally gave them unique names. And if they really end up hating us and their first names, they can fall back on their middle names. |
| 16:05.01 | alestane | That is one crazy place. |
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| 16:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | So beautiful, AbsoRayne |
| 16:06.50 | AbsoRayne | It really is |
| 16:06.56 | malreth | 120 degrees F and 80% humidity? |
| 16:07.20 | malreth | that's insane |
| 16:07.37 | AbsoRayne | Its a cave in Mexico :P |
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| 16:07.51 | p3lim | -10 celcius here |
| 16:07.52 | p3lim | >_> |
| 16:08.00 | p3lim | great to work outside in that temp |
| 16:08.04 | p3lim | -.- |
| 16:08.39 | AbsoRayne | p3lim: Canada? |
| 16:08.42 | erikd | man, i'm going to be dead from leveling by the 17th =/ |
| 16:08.43 | p3lim | norway |
| 16:08.46 | AbsoRayne | ah |
| 16:09.00 | malreth | i wonder if those backpacks that they're wearing are really personal air conditioners |
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| 16:09.34 | Lopeppeppy | What's in Canada, AbsoRayne? |
| 16:09.41 | AbsoRayne | Mah Wife |
| 16:09.43 | AbsoRayne | :) |
| 16:09.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, no wonder you're happy. *grin* |
| 16:09.59 | AbsoRayne | I havent seen her since May |
| 16:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. *comfort* |
| 16:10.08 | AbsoRayne | And yes its pretty hard |
| 16:10.14 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 16:10.21 | erikd | NORWAY! |
| 16:10.21 | AbsoRayne | Perv |
| 16:10.23 | erikd | i want to go there |
| 16:10.44 | erikd | one of the places i want to go before i die |
| 16:10.51 | erikd | wouldn't mind living there either :) |
| 16:10.57 | AbsoRayne | I want to see Russia too before I die |
| 16:11.16 | AbsoRayne | Chenobyl especially |
| 16:11.39 | Lopeppeppy | Tunguska |
| 16:12.27 | Lopeppeppy | AbsoRayne, I totally am. *apologetic grin* But you said it! |
| 16:12.43 | AbsoRayne | And you went down that road! |
| 16:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | I did. Tragedy ensues. |
| 16:12.56 | AbsoRayne | I was going down the lets keep it PG13 so Lopeppeppy doesnt get all excited |
| 16:12.59 | AbsoRayne | but nooooo |
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| 16:13.02 | AbsoRayne | :P |
| 16:13.42 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 16:13.47 | KarlKFI | peppy's easily excited |
| 16:13.57 | KarlKFI | ;) |
| 16:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | KarlKFI. That was out loud. *grin* |
| 16:14.13 | KarlKFI | :-D |
| 16:14.52 | KarlKFI | oh I'm sorry, was it a secret? |
| 16:15.07 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
| 16:16.39 | KarlKFI | AbsoRayne's just a little uptight, for obvious reasons, don't let him get to you peppey. |
| 16:17.04 | AbsoRayne | Yuo |
| 16:17.06 | AbsoRayne | yup* |
| 16:17.08 | AbsoRayne | sorry |
| 16:17.10 | AbsoRayne | No fun from me |
| 16:17.40 | Lopeppeppy | KarlKFI, dear, if you can't keep seekrits I'll have to stop sharing. *grin* |
| 16:17.40 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy has a carefree and wild soul :) |
| 16:17.51 | Lopeppeppy | That I sincerely do, Shirik. *big hugs* |
| 16:18.12 | Lopeppeppy | And that was a very sweet thing to say! |
| 16:18.20 | KarlKFI | uh huh. If you stopped sharing I think you're implode |
| 16:18.29 | KarlKFI | you'd* |
| 16:18.30 | Shirik | I also have chocolate pretzels my grandparents sent me, yay |
| 16:18.40 | AbsoRayne | or at least half the US would sink into the sea |
| 16:18.45 | AbsoRayne | Which would be damn cool to watch. |
| 16:18.53 | KarlKFI | i thought that was just CA |
| 16:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | CA did not slide into the ocean when I visited there, I was sooooo impressed. |
| 16:19.21 | AbsoRayne | KarlKFI: No, Not Cali! Save the servers! |
| 16:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | Some servers are not in Cali. Some servers are in Europe. |
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| 16:20.14 | cogwheel | some are in texas too iirc |
| 16:20.17 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/1225371810905.jpg ! >:[ |
| 16:20.28 | malreth | forums just dieded |
| 16:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | No really, ask KarlKFI, he lives there. It's still there. |
| 16:21.04 | KarlKFI | nope, no fishies |
| 16:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, I thought you liked sushi. |
| 16:22.04 | KarlKFI | i do, but i don't keep them in my office |
| 16:22.15 | AbsoRayne | Where are the Starcraft 2 updates?! ;_; |
| 16:22.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's kinda smart, KarlKFI. |
| 16:22.24 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 16:22.40 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:22.43 | KarlKFI | there's a sushi place in walking distance. I'm well supplied |
| 16:22.46 | KarlKFI | 2 actually |
| 16:22.46 | Shirik | we're going to have to have a rematch aren't we? |
| 16:23.13 | AbsoRayne | Can I watch? |
| 16:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | We will surely have a rematch so I can defeat you soundly! |
| 16:23.23 | Lopeppeppy | And you call ME a perv? |
| 16:23.27 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 16:23.34 | Shirik | Oh you think you're going to win? |
| 16:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you're gonna DIE! |
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| 16:24.10 | Shirik | I find that very unlikely |
| 16:24.52 | Lopeppeppy | I find your lack of faith disturbing. |
| 16:25.47 | AbsoRayne | I find the lack of Starcraft 2 playing disturbing. |
| 16:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | Soon (tm), I'm sure. |
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| 16:26.41 | AbsoRayne | yup |
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| 16:27.50 | AbsoRayne | I <3 my Ringtone |
| 16:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | Vibrate isn't a ringtone... |
| 16:28.52 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, it's not lack of faith, it's ego |
| 16:28.55 | zenzelezz | it is if you do it right |
| 16:28.59 | Shirik | I can destroy anyone! |
| 16:28.59 | cogwheel | ~lart the forums |
| 16:28.59 | purl | strangles the forums with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 16:29.27 | Redguard | so how do you use the dev tools to show frame info on mouse over |
| 16:29.30 | erikd | i was just about to post something on the forums when they went down =/ |
| 16:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I'm sorry you suffer from a lack of ego, Shirik. *comfort* |
| 16:29.38 | AbsoRayne | XD |
| 16:29.39 | Shirik | Redguard: /dtframestack |
| 16:29.42 | Redguard | ./dtframestack or whatever didn't do anything |
| 16:29.52 | Redguard | i put it over the frame, i saw nothing |
| 16:29.52 | Shirik | then you need to type it better |
| 16:29.58 | Redguard | i saw the window |
| 16:30.03 | Redguard | it just wasnt showing the frame |
| 16:30.13 | Redguard | when you enter arena, in the center of the top of the screen |
| 16:30.14 | Shirik | and you were hovering over it |
| 16:30.19 | Redguard | the text from arena |
| 16:30.22 | Redguard | yes hovering |
| 16:30.26 | Redguard | do i need to click it and do a river dance? |
| 16:30.36 | Shirik | no |
| 16:30.37 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/petrol_costs.jpg |
| 16:30.44 | Shirik | though if you want to you may |
| 16:31.28 | Redguard | Green Team: 1 Players Remaining |
| 16:31.33 | Redguard | I want to know where that is coming from |
| 16:31.36 | Redguard | is that restricted? |
| 16:31.52 | Shirik | wtf did you do to the forums, cogwheel |
| 16:31.58 | Shirik | I see that gnome in there, I know it was you |
| 16:32.08 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/eiffel.jpg |
| 16:32.35 | Redguard | kind of got it, |
| 16:32.42 | Redguard | AlwaysUpFrame1 AlwaysUpFrame2 |
| 16:33.15 | Redguard | lol mikma i like the petrol meter |
| 16:33.24 | AbsoRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/1221898875310.jpg World Series Champions! \o/ |
| 16:34.00 | KarlKFI | gas got down bellow $3 here |
| 16:34.16 | Shirik | Yeah I don't know wtf happened |
| 16:34.28 | Shirik | I saw gas prices at $2.49 the other day, so I rushed to fill up |
| 16:34.40 | AbsoRayne | 2>30 in NJ |
| 16:34.44 | AbsoRayne | 2.30* |
| 16:34.49 | Shirik | yes it's always overpriced in FL |
| 16:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | We're at 2.60 at the one closest to me. |
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| 16:37.28 | Duman | hmm, guess they are fixing the forums |
| 16:37.44 | Duman | (or breaking) |
| 16:37.55 | kamdis | I like the new "forums are down" message though. |
| 16:37.55 | Shirik | we're back to $3, Lopeppeppy |
| 16:38.02 | AbsoRayne | breaking is a better choice |
| 16:38.47 | AbsoRayne | kamdis: It is much better than the old error messaged one, or the ugly Maintenence Box :P |
| 16:39.11 | kamdis | indeed |
| 16:39.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's the Shredder from the Deadmines. |
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| 16:41.48 | Fuzel | anyone here using mirage UI? |
| 16:42.31 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/getattachment3.jpeg <- nsfw |
| 16:42.45 | Lopeppeppy | Hilarious. |
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| 16:43.49 | Shirik | ok.... mikma |
| 16:44.08 | Shirik | didn't need to see that >< |
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| 16:44.18 | haste | but you still clicked it :3 |
| 16:44.25 | Dewin | what was it? |
| 16:44.27 | selckin | i don't get it |
| 16:44.31 | Dewin | Did I miss the link of doom? |
| 16:44.34 | Shirik | selckin: Then you didn't look closely enough |
| 16:44.36 | Shirik | please don't |
| 16:44.44 | selckin | oh lol |
| 16:44.46 | selckin | :\ |
| 16:44.48 | selckin | damnit |
| 16:44.49 | haste | haha |
| 16:45.06 | mikma | shirik: did you forget what "nsfw" means :) |
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| 16:45.23 | Shirik | there's a difference between nsfw and "nobody in their right mind wants to see this" >< |
| 16:45.30 | haste | lies |
| 16:45.36 | nevcairiel | Shirik: there is not if mikma posts it |
| 16:45.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:45.48 | Dewin | Yes. Porn, for example, is nsfw, but most guys want to see it :) |
| 16:46.04 | zenzelezz | depends what sort |
| 16:46.09 | haste | scat! |
| 16:46.13 | mikma | well afaik there ain't no "DON'T CHECK THIS IF YOU HATE TO SEE DICKS" -tags |
| 16:46.15 | Redguard | given frame AlwaysUpFrame1, is there a way to tell.. what is updating it |
| 16:46.22 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't mind.... <.< |
| 16:46.24 | Redguard | where, what, something |
| 16:46.27 | haste | you can look at the debug stack Redguard |
| 16:46.41 | Redguard | hrm, i'll see if I can get that working |
| 16:46.57 | malreth | he didn't even look circumcised... heathen. |
| 16:47.06 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 16:47.12 | alestane | Gentile, anyway. |
| 16:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | Can't really tell, the trees outdoors obscure things. |
| 16:47.38 | Redguard | malreth you say it as if that's a good thing |
| 16:47.46 | Shirik | heathen? |
| 16:47.55 | Redguard | no |
| 16:48.11 | Lopeppeppy | Heathen is good. |
| 16:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | Especially with mustard. |
| 16:49.01 | Redguard | no Shirik, being circumsized |
| 16:49.23 | Shirik | you say it like it's a bad thing |
| 16:49.43 | Redguard | well people who had it done usually had no choice at an early age |
| 16:49.54 | Redguard | if you had it done by your own free will, I will consider it a bad thing yes |
| 16:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | Doing what you choose to do with your body is "bad" ? |
| 16:50.23 | malreth | if you had it done by your own free hand, you're a sick puppy |
| 16:50.31 | Shirik | malreth |
| 16:50.36 | Shirik | I did not need that picture in my head |
| 16:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, some people take control of their lives, malreth |
| 16:52.46 | mikma | lol |
| 16:52.54 | mikma | the conversation turned interesting |
| 16:53.08 | Shirik | see mikma, it's all you fault |
| 16:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | The things that Peppy will talk about are unlimited. Note to self. |
| 16:53.42 | cogwheel | lern2 http://nocirc.org imo |
| 16:54.32 | Redguard | ~dt |
| 16:54.46 | mikma | the interesting thing is... |
| 16:54.56 | mikma | i have never ever understood that whole thing |
| 16:55.31 | mikma | no-one in finland has had their (stuff) snipped off |
| 16:55.54 | cogwheel | the US is the only country to routinely circumcise for non-medical, non-religious reasons |
| 16:56.20 | cogwheel | although my grandmother has made it much less routine over the past 30 years |
| 16:56.22 | malreth | i sold mine |
| 16:56.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:56.30 | mikma | they also make it a "cool thing" in movies |
| 16:56.55 | Kaso | :nms: is the tag shirik needs, unfortunately not enough people know that :< |
| 16:57.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:57.12 | Shirik | Is that like pms for males? |
| 16:57.15 | Kaso | Not mind safe |
| 16:57.32 | mikma | NSS! (Not Shirik safe) |
| 16:57.35 | cogwheel | malreth: did you sell it to the mohel who makes purses that turn into suitcases when you rub them? |
| 16:59.05 | Shirik | What's a Crambone? |
| 16:59.10 | Shirik | ~dict Crambone |
| 16:59.14 | Redguard | i /dump AlwaysUpFrame1 , it's useless |
| 16:59.25 | Redguard | what other commands with this dev tools addon are useful to monitor that frame |
| 16:59.33 | Redguard | or am I just looking in the wrong direction |
| 16:59.37 | Shirik | what are you trying to monitor? |
| 16:59.39 | Redguard | I find nothing else from the docs |
| 16:59.47 | Redguard | I want to see where it's pulling the #'s from |
| 16:59.54 | Redguard | it knows how many players are left |
| 17:00.21 | nevcairiel | its probably easy to search the FrameXML lua files for usage of AlwaysUpFrame |
| 17:00.22 | Redguard | I want to know where it is pulling from, and hopefully what keeps it active |
| 17:00.25 | nevcairiel | *easier |
| 17:00.26 | Redguard | so I can Hide() it |
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| 17:00.35 | Redguard | and not have it Show() constantly |
| 17:00.39 | Redguard | (it isnt in there nevcairiel) |
| 17:00.44 | nevcairiel | it has to be :P |
| 17:00.46 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:00.47 | malreth | Redguard: it has to be |
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| 17:00.49 | Shirik | it isn't in there? |
| 17:00.53 | Shirik | It's magical frame, wow |
| 17:01.02 | Amarande | No, it isn't in there Shirik, because it's not Prego. :) |
| 17:01.08 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:01.09 | nevcairiel | Redguard: you do mean the Arena thing, where it tells you how many players are left, right? |
| 17:01.17 | Redguard | yes |
| 17:01.19 | Redguard | top center |
| 17:01.28 | nevcairiel | that shouldnt be too hard to find |
| 17:01.32 | Redguard | Gold Team: 2 Players Remaining |
| 17:01.55 | malreth | it's called the world status frame or something |
| 17:01.59 | malreth | the always up frame? |
| 17:02.05 | Redguard | AlwaysUpFrame1 |
| 17:02.12 | Redguard | is holding that text |
| 17:02.26 | Redguard | I just want to see the source of what is controlling it |
| 17:02.28 | Redguard | to hook it properly |
| 17:02.30 | malreth | yeah... what is its parent? |
| 17:02.49 | nevcairiel | WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_Update() |
| 17:02.50 | nevcairiel | it does it |
| 17:02.53 | nevcairiel | there, problem solved |
| 17:03.56 | nevcairiel | Wasn't there an option in the interface options to completly disable the overlay? |
| 17:04.18 | malreth | oh yeah, i believe so |
| 17:04.54 | nevcairiel | Interface -> Display -> Display World PVP Objectives |
| 17:04.55 | nevcairiel | disable that |
| 17:05.05 | Redguard | i'm more interested in how it obtains it's data |
| 17:05.14 | Redguard | than disabling it (although yes, i will disable it as well :P ) |
| 17:05.29 | nevcairiel | uiType, state, text, icon, dynamicIcon, tooltip, dynamicTooltip, extendedUI, extendedUIState1, extendedUIState2, extendedUIState3 = GetWorldStateUIInfo(i); |
| 17:05.32 | nevcairiel | there ^ |
| 17:05.53 | nevcairiel | WorldStateFrame.lua, line 110 |
| 17:06.01 | Redguard | ya currently checking out the .xml |
| 17:06.07 | Redguard | reading the lua next |
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| 17:15.23 | Amarande | I really should sort this one folder better in my filing cabinet |
| 17:15.32 | Amarande | it's beginning to get totally disorganized ... all it is is 'WoW other' |
| 17:16.04 | Amarande | I have 'WoW Blood Elf 1-12', 'WoW 12-20H', 'WoW 21-30H', 'WoW 31-40H', 'WoW 41-50H', 'WoW 51-60H', 'WoW 60-65H' and 'WoW Other.' |
| 17:16.15 | Amarande | The latter is getting full of all kinds of disorganized stuff half of which is probably outdated now |
| 17:16.49 | Redguard | that sounds horrible |
| 17:17.04 | malreth | what the hell are you keeping in a filing cabinet? |
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| 17:18.51 | Amarande | malreth: pretty much everything that I print out and don't toss |
| 17:19.04 | Amarande | the WoW X-YH folders have mostly the appropriate sections of Jame's guide |
| 17:19.17 | Amarande | other than 12-20H, which is someone or other's guide to Ghostlands that I don't remember the author of off the top of my head |
| 17:19.29 | Amarande | and Blood Elf 1-12, again I forget who wrote that BE starter guide |
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| 17:19.49 | Amarande | I know the BE starter area enough that I can level a blood elf to 12 in my sleep anyway :P |
| 17:20.57 | Amarande | and guess what my rogue will be ... another female blood elf :) |
| 17:21.07 | Amarande | and so will my DK, but I'll actually have to learn a new starter for that heh |
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| 17:23.35 | zenzelezz | PvP flagged level 68 with resurrection sickness... poor guy |
| 17:23.38 | [L4E]Flowy | can i somehow change blizzard addons? |
| 17:23.50 | [L4E]Flowy | i got error from there |
| 17:24.05 | zenzelezz | so exposed it just has to be an ambush |
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| 17:26.10 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:26.11 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
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| 17:26.36 | Amarande | zenzelezz: you realize you do not get honor for killing someone with rez sickness |
| 17:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-School. |
| 17:27.22 | Amarande | of course, I normally don't even bother with flagged players myself unless they're getting in the way of a quest I'm working on |
| 17:27.25 | Amarande | like one time in Feralas |
| 17:27.29 | Amarande | oh, that time was mean. :) |
| 17:27.33 | Jelly-School | So, I just failed my second Spanish test. |
| 17:27.40 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. *comfort* |
| 17:27.43 | Amarande | alliance guy was doing stuff in a cave I needed to do a quest in |
| 17:28.00 | Amarande | so ... well, first he challenged me to a duel, and of course I declined, since he was a hunter and I wasn't at full health/mana at that point |
| 17:28.07 | Amarande | then not long after that I ganked him :) |
| 17:28.28 | zenzelezz | Amarande: people don't care about honor :-p But no, I don't know the first thing about PvP |
| 17:28.41 | Jelly-School | Well, I made 91 on both of the first two; 61 on the last one and probably worse than that on this one. All I need is a 2.0. I know that's kind of a stupid thing to actually shoot for, but it's what I need in order to get into the police academy. |
| 17:29.03 | Lopeppeppy | You should be fine still then, Jelly-School. Study more for the next one. |
| 17:29.04 | Amarande | I've never understood going out of your way to gank someone who's not competing with you for a resource and isn't interfering with your questing |
| 17:29.15 | Amarande | now, if they're doing either, they're dead, but if they're doing neither? |
| 17:29.29 | NightHawktheSane | there's nothing to understand, people are idiots. |
| 17:29.37 | Jelly-School | It's hard to study when the book hasn't come in yet. I've emailed the person multiple times and they've told me they shipped it, etc. |
| 17:29.46 | zenzelezz | Amarande: neither have I, but everyone else on my realm seems to think that's super awesome |
| 17:29.52 | Jelly-School | Amarande: People are assholes. |
| 17:30.08 | Amarande | of course, I've also never understood going out of your way to be a jerk, either |
| 17:30.57 | Amarande | it's probably teenage boys being trained that they have to be all macho and such :P |
| 17:31.12 | Amarande | heh, I wonder how many wars in this world were started simply because someone felt like they needed to be macho |
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| 17:31.29 | Redguard | let's put it this way Amarande |
| 17:31.34 | NightHawktheSane | i can think of at least one. *smirk* |
| 17:31.40 | Amarande | Night: Napoleon? |
| 17:31.41 | Redguard | why would someone in full season 4 take a 2400 rated team |
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| 17:32.00 | Redguard | and remake it over and over to crush the likes of unorganized 1500-1700 teams |
| 17:32.05 | Dashkal | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12065149823-class-forum-change.html |
| 17:32.05 | NightHawktheSane | Amarande: that.. wasn't what i had in mind. i wouldn't categorize most of napoleans conquests that way. |
| 17:32.13 | Redguard | why? because they like the win-loss ratio and ease |
| 17:32.23 | Amarande | Redguard: the ease of getting an arena match at all is probably part of it |
| 17:32.35 | Redguard | you can get games at 2400 |
| 17:32.41 | Amarande | at high ratings, it becomes increasingly difficult to get in matches without waiting an entire evening in the queue for one or two games |
| 17:32.45 | Redguard | it will match you against 1800-2200 if need be |
| 17:32.52 | Redguard | that's not true |
| 17:32.52 | Amarande | at least, that's what's claimed to be the reason for the 'win trading' QQ |
| 17:33.00 | Amarande | Red: the problem is that if, say, you have a 2400, 2200, and 2100 |
| 17:33.01 | Redguard | i get near instant queues around 2k bracket |
| 17:33.02 | Amarande | and all of them queue |
| 17:33.11 | Amarande | the 2200 will get matched with the 2100, and the 2400 will be stuck in queue |
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| 17:33.18 | Redguard | then they wait a few minutes |
| 17:33.24 | Redguard | there are more than 3 teams in the queue |
| 17:33.36 | Jelly-School | I think the issue here is epeen. |
| 17:33.37 | Redguard | the games don't start at the same time, hence the queues remain balanced |
| 17:33.40 | Amarande | in any case, I'm not sure why Blizzard obsesses so over the rating system |
| 17:33.46 | Amarande | hell, consider the game we GOT the arena rating system from |
| 17:33.55 | Redguard | which |
| 17:33.59 | Amarande | what would be 'rampant win trading and ratings abuse' goes on all the time in that game ... heh |
| 17:34.39 | Redguard | which game |
| 17:34.45 | Amarande | Redguard: chess |
| 17:34.59 | Amarande | almost all online games with a ratings system derive their system from the Elo rating system created for chess |
| 17:35.03 | Amarande | in fact, most offline games do, too |
| 17:36.17 | Amarande | in chess, top rated players pretty much only deign to compete in tournaments that are basically invitational events only for top rated players |
| 17:36.24 | Amarande | in WoW, that would be called win trading TOTHEMAX heh |
| 17:36.56 | Drak[H|AD] | can I set Left, Top coords on a frame? |
| 17:37.16 | Drak[H|AD] | say Frame:SetLeft(100) |
| 17:38.32 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Region_SetPoint (also read about ClearAllPoints) |
| 17:39.08 | Drak[H|AD] | thanks |
| 17:41.53 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@rrcs-97-77-179-247.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 17:42.25 | Dashkal | Bibi`: The forums were just changed. Got three new ones to add to the tracker |
| 17:44.26 | Amarande | bah, I should have canceled my US WoW account and got an EU one long ago |
| 17:45.10 | Dashkal | hrm, just kinda wished they had segregated ranged from melee for DPS. Same rules do not apply (of course that logic can be iterated on to get down to 30 forums -- one for each spec) |
| 17:45.35 | Redguard | ? |
| 17:46.11 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: do they have physical vs spell? |
| 17:46.20 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: nope. Tank, DPS, Healer |
| 17:46.55 | Dashkal | I dunno just how different hunters are from the rest of the casters. They're kinda in the middle on that one |
| 17:47.11 | Amarande | good grief, how many copies of snowflake's draenei starter guide do I have in this folder ... |
| 17:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | 5 |
| 17:47.44 | Amarande | yeah, something like that |
| 17:47.47 | Jelly-School | 42 |
| 17:47.48 | Amarande | at least three, anyway :S |
| 17:47.49 | Dashkal | I like the change, but I'm really hoping that they hired on extra forum mods. This is gonna be a mess |
| 17:48.12 | Fuzel | is there anyone using mirage UI here? |
| 17:48.14 | cogwheel | malreth: you're in the same state as lunessa... tell him to log in. you too, |Jelly| !! |
| 17:48.19 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 17:48.19 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 17:48.32 | Amarande | Fuzel: I used to a long time ago |
| 17:48.32 | malreth | station... |
| 17:48.45 | Jelly-School | What? |
| 17:48.50 | cogwheel | /target Lunessa |
| 17:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | No station. Lunessa is off today, moving. |
| 17:48.54 | cogwheel | /cast Ritual of Summoning |
| 17:49.11 | cogwheel | again or still? |
| 17:49.25 | Fuzel | well my probel is that my action bar is in so mig and almost in the middle of the screen so i cant see anything.. but if u only used it a long time ago i guess u cant help |
| 17:49.34 | Redguard | /cast Nature's Swiftness |
| 17:49.39 | Redguard | /use cogwheel |
| 17:50.00 | cogwheel | Jelly-School: no, you're thinking of fisker with me :P |
| 17:50.16 | Xuerian | parse chat... |
| 17:50.21 | Amarande | Jelly-School: Lunessa bopped him on the head once and we think a gyrochronatom got loose |
| 17:50.21 | Xuerian | doh... was way behind. |
| 17:50.27 | cogwheel | i just wanted to make him update the vista troubleshooting guide to include the new installation location |
| 17:50.35 | Amarande | or maybe a gold power core got disconnected |
| 17:50.43 | Amarande | poor guy |
| 17:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel, again. |
| 17:51.01 | Lopeppeppy | He'll be back online on Monday. |
| 17:51.17 | cogwheel | :( |
| 17:51.23 | Jelly-School | Hey cogwheel, wanna write a mean letter to someone for me? |
| 17:51.52 | cogwheel | Jelly-School: yes, but i have too much other stuff i'm supposed to be doing :P |
| 17:52.12 | Jelly-School | :( This bitch from the internet needs to send me my freaking spanish book. |
| 17:52.25 | Jelly-School | ...except I can't call her a bitch or a whore and still get my point across. |
| 17:53.18 | malreth | because.. she's a female dog and a prostitute? |
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| 17:53.46 | Jelly-School | No she's not, that's the point. Or at least I don't think she is. |
| 17:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | You paid for services not rendered. |
| 17:54.04 | Jelly-School | Now imagine if I had let the c-word fly! Can you imagine the problems?! |
| 17:54.12 | Amarande | hmm, malreth and Jelly probably should make sure their dental coverage is up to date before spending time with women |
| 17:54.12 | Lopeppeppy | I'd beat you with a stick myself. |
| 17:54.25 | Jelly-School | I don't have dental coverage. |
| 17:54.32 | Amarande | oh man, Jelly |
| 17:54.38 | Amarande | I see bankruptcy in your future |
| 17:54.42 | Jelly-School | ...and I don't hit women but I dare you to try to hit me. |
| 17:54.42 | malreth | i don't have teeth |
| 17:54.53 | Amarande | heh. |
| 17:54.55 | Amarande | I'm a guy. |
| 17:55.01 | Amarande | but I'm saying, if you're gonna treat women like that ... |
| 17:55.01 | Jelly-School | You wasa "you" |
| 17:55.23 | Jelly-School | I don't know how many times I have to say this ... online/irc ~= RL |
| 17:56.00 | Jelly-School | But I am getting very upset with this woman because she's delaying every chance she gets. It seems like a scam and my grades are suffering because of it. |
| 17:56.04 | malreth | i treat objects like women |
| 17:56.18 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly-School, go with your instincts. If it feels like a scam, it is. |
| 17:56.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 17:56.39 | NightHawktheSane | malreth: that sounds either awesome, or uncomfortable. |
| 17:56.46 | Jelly-School | Malreth: So you put beer on their top portions and play with the twin portions? |
| 17:57.51 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131) |
| 17:57.51 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:57.51 | Xuerian | malreth: You just won the game. |
| 17:57.51 | Jelly-School | HEY LOOK! My computer just turned off. |
| 17:57.51 | Cairenn | you're walking a very dangerous line there Jelly-School |
| 17:57.51 | Xuerian | I think you might've just lost it at the same time, I'm not sure |
| 17:57.51 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 17:57.51 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 17:57.52 | Diskmaster | You just {won,lost,loaded,unloaded,cheated,broken,epic failed} the game. |
| 17:57.52 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: Is there a simple way to reset the position of a single bar in Bartender4? |
| 17:57.56 | nevcairiel | not exactly, no |
| 17:57.59 | Jelly-School | Cairenn: It's a tightrope! |
| 17:58.07 | Kalroth | >< |
| 17:58.11 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I'm assuming they are, but confirmation ... BT4 action buttons are secure, not tainted, right? |
| 17:58.15 | Kalroth | I changed resolution and now it's offscreen |
| 17:58.23 | Xuerian | Jelly-School: A tightrope occasionally wrapped around the twin-portions >.> |
| 17:58.27 | nevcairiel | of course they are secure, or they wouldnt work |
| 17:58.36 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: change it again, move it to the center, and voila? |
| 17:58.46 | Jelly-School | Xuerian: I didn't ever say I never fell. :P |
| 17:58.47 | Kalroth | clever! |
| 17:58.49 | Jelly-School | <3 Cairenn |
| 17:59.24 | Cairenn | Xuerian: I don't know whether to laugh, yell at you or just purr .... |
| 17:59.40 | NightHawktheSane | all three seems fairly appropriate |
| 17:59.45 | Jelly-School | I agree. |
| 17:59.50 | Xuerian | >:3 |
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| 18:00.07 | Tahmahal | Hi |
| 18:00.11 | Amarande | Xuerian: note, that's purr in that devious sense cats make when they purr at you just as they're really about to scratch your wrist open ;) |
| 18:00.12 | Cairenn | hi |
| 18:00.12 | malreth | HI |
| 18:00.13 | zenzelezz | hello |
| 18:00.17 | malreth | HI |
| 18:00.20 | nevcairiel | hi |
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| 18:00.24 | Xuerian | Amarande: You has point.... |
| 18:00.32 | Cairenn | Amarande: maaybe, maaaybe not |
| 18:00.44 | Cairenn | *pouts* |
| 18:00.46 | Jelly-School | Still sounds kinda kinky. |
| 18:01.00 | Jelly-School | Malreth, I need your input on the kinkiness of this. |
| 18:01.00 | Cairenn | hence the purring, Jelly-School |
| 18:01.10 | NightHawktheSane | you know, its not precisely imperceptable if you /say/ it >.> |
| 18:01.13 | Xuerian | Indeed.. Ops-trixes have very sharp claws... Could be interesting. |
| 18:01.20 | malreth | hold on... eating pizza |
| 18:01.30 | Jelly-School | WAIT! Who brought it to you? |
| 18:01.32 | Cairenn | *chuckles* |
| 18:01.55 | NightHawktheSane | is imperceptable even a word? damn, its too early for me to thnk |
| 18:02.04 | Tahmahal | I just discovered that irc channel :D I hope my english won't hurt you, I'm french but the french mod devs aren't so many :( |
| 18:02.13 | malreth | THAT'S kink |
| 18:02.19 | Cairenn | this is new and different for you how NightHawktheSane? |
| 18:02.34 | Cairenn | malreth: ewww, stop it, I don't like pizza |
| 18:02.36 | Xuerian | NightHawktheSane: My spellchecker says so, it must be true! |
| 18:02.43 | NightHawktheSane | Cairenn: ... touché. ;) |
| 18:02.50 | AbsoRayne | you know whats awesome? |
| 18:03.01 | Xuerian | AbsoRayne: You? <Thinks of motivational pictures> |
| 18:03.05 | malreth | hats? |
| 18:03.07 | AbsoRayne | When youre sitting at your PC working on something |
| 18:03.11 | AbsoRayne | and you black out for a minute |
| 18:03.20 | Cairenn | Tahmahal: no worries, I'm sure you'll discover that your English is far and away better than most people's French in here :) |
| 18:03.22 | Jelly-School | I'm going with skittles. |
| 18:03.24 | AbsoRayne | and when you come back to its its like Nameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:03.37 | AbsoRayne | Xuerian: and yes I am pretty awesome tyvm |
| 18:03.40 | Shirik | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:03.45 | Jelly-School | or cookies *cue Peppy* |
| 18:03.45 | Tahmahal | Cairenn : thanks :) |
| 18:04.02 | AbsoRayne | malreth: Im not a hat fan :( |
| 18:04.11 | AbsoRayne | Bandanas > Hats |
| 18:04.15 | malreth | neither am i |
| 18:04.26 | malreth | but i need to do something... i'm gonna start burning on my scalp |
| 18:04.32 | Cairenn | oh yes, bandannas are good |
| 18:04.33 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
| 18:04.36 | Jelly-School | Grow hair? |
| 18:04.41 | Cairenn | errr, nm |
| 18:04.41 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not sure I know enough practical French to request anything of such speakers but 'anglais, s'il vous plait' |
| 18:04.42 | malreth | it's not very easy |
| 18:04.59 | Jelly-School | Cairenn: How's the weather? Been kinda worried about you NE/Canada peoples. |
| 18:05.20 | Cairenn | Jelly-School: fine again now, thank you for asking |
| 18:05.47 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yet another unfortunate :( |
| 18:06.00 | malreth | ok... double pepperoni spiciness is good for stuffy nose... the extra oil not so good for the upset tummy, tho |
| 18:06.09 | Amarande | Halloween this year gets increasily spoilt by the whole WOTLK being almost out :| |
| 18:06.21 | malreth | nooo! |
| 18:06.25 | malreth | my twin! |
| 18:06.33 | Amarande | Tailors will be making 20 slot green bags in a few weeks, so the 18 slot bags are gonna tank |
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| 18:06.41 | Xuerian | Wait, where are we growing hair now? |
| 18:06.49 | Redguard | Amarande what's the max size? |
| 18:06.52 | malreth | Xuerian: arms |
| 18:06.54 | Cairenn | *bites her tongue* |
| 18:06.56 | cogwheel | malreth: your twin had an extra appendage... |
| 18:07.12 | Xuerian | malreth: Oh, ok. I thought I was in trouble, I just shaved.. |
| 18:07.42 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 18:07.51 | cogwheel | malreth: so you don't have one? |
| 18:07.52 | Shirik | eh |
| 18:07.54 | Jelly-School | ~weather kdfw |
| 18:07.55 | Shirik | I guess I can wear shorts today |
| 18:08.00 | Hirsute | Hey cogwheel: Did you notice that Rekirts thread finally bit the dust in UI/Macros? |
| 18:08.03 | mikma | ~weather ass |
| 18:08.05 | Drak[H|AD] | if a frame has run amock and positioned itself outside the screen edges - how can I "reset" it to its original points? SetPoint("CENTER", "UIParent", "CENTER", 0, 0); wont work |
| 18:08.07 | zenzelezz | ~weather ymca |
| 18:08.15 | Redguard | hehe |
| 18:08.22 | mikma | ~weather noob |
| 18:08.23 | Xuerian | Mah gawd the spam |
| 18:08.24 | Drak[H|AD] | or - is there a way to limit the area a frame can move within? |
| 18:08.44 | Xuerian | Shirik: Shorts FTW. Only worn pants one day this year :p |
| 18:08.45 | Drak[H|AD] | ~weather Karlstad |
| 18:08.55 | Amarande | ~weather kdxr |
| 18:08.57 | malreth | and that's why girls fear their mothers and love their fathers |
| 18:09.01 | Tahmahal | Drak : edit the lua or xml file and modify the anchor (TOPLEFT or wathever) and ReloadUi() |
| 18:09.04 | Dashkal | ~weather CYVR |
| 18:09.05 | Cairenn | okay guys, enough |
| 18:09.06 | Tahmahal | it should work |
| 18:09.22 | AbsoRayne | ~weather phl |
| 18:09.27 | Cairenn | seriously |
| 18:09.32 | Cairenn | enough with the weather spam |
| 18:09.36 | AbsoRayne | I dont want to know anyway |
| 18:09.43 | Drak[H|AD] | Tahmahal > I was hoping for a way so that I could make a slashcommand for it :P |
| 18:09.44 | AbsoRayne | Im not going to Philly for at least a week |
| 18:09.55 | zenzelezz | Drak[H|AD]: first of all, did you remember to ClearAllPoints() before SetPoint()ing the center? |
| 18:09.59 | AbsoRayne | They won the world series finally. I dont want to be near that town |
| 18:10.12 | cogwheel | Hirsute: oh my... |
| 18:10.17 | AbsoRayne | some fan will run up screaming at my car and scratch the paint. Then, bad things will happen |
| 18:10.18 | AbsoRayne | :( |
| 18:10.20 | Drak[H|AD] | zenzelezz > uhm.. uhm. well.. darn! |
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| 18:10.24 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:10.29 | malreth | http://bacon.alltop.com/ |
| 18:10.29 | Amarande | Abso: you from Tampa? |
| 18:10.30 | cogwheel | guess that answers that question :P |
| 18:10.37 | murilopb | N question: Can I make an addon to show when something procs in the same way that damage taken is showed? |
| 18:10.44 | Hirsute | Yes. I sense a ban-hammer strike. |
| 18:10.53 | AbsoRayne | Amarande: No, im from NJ, but I know how Rabig Philly fans are |
| 18:11.01 | AbsoRayne | rabid* |
| 18:11.04 | Tahmahal | Drak : uh I don't know :( you will need to Reload the ui |
| 18:11.07 | Tahmahal | i think |
| 18:11.49 | malreth | he'll get banned and he'll still think he's right |
| 18:11.54 | Redguard | murilopb sure you can |
| 18:12.32 | murilopb | Redguard: nice .. can u give a tip of what i have to look in the api!? I dont want to take a existent addon to learn :-) |
| 18:12.36 | Shirik | Amarande: Are you? |
| 18:12.59 | zenzelezz | murilopb: why don't you want to learn from existing addons? |
| 18:13.01 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm from Connecticut, but I'm a Red Sox fan so I detested the Rays and rooted for the Phillies |
| 18:13.09 | murilopb | ooops english fail |
| 18:13.45 | malreth | murilopb: don't worry... english is a resilient language. it can take such abuse |
| 18:13.57 | murilopb | If i get something done, then I will probably not do mine |
| 18:14.08 | Redguard | huh? |
| 18:14.25 | Cairenn | made sense to me |
| 18:14.26 | malreth | brb |
| 18:14.42 | murilopb | I'm lazy |
| 18:15.14 | Tahmahal | is anyone working on BattleCry updating? |
| 18:15.52 | Cairenn | if he gets something (already done by someone else) then he won't do his own |
| 18:16.17 | murilopb | If I get something done that solves my problem them I will probably play wow until die and forget about do my own addon |
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| 18:23.43 | Cidan | so |
| 18:23.57 | Cidan | Why can't I get data off of players on the BG who aren't on my realm? |
| 18:24.06 | Cidan | I never did get around to finding a fix for that. |
| 18:24.06 | malreth | because |
| 18:26.53 | Cidan | rather, how do I pull raid data off of people from a different realm? |
| 18:26.59 | Dewin | I wonder if the new Ubuntu supports nvraid out of the box yet. |
| 18:27.00 | Cidan | *unit data |
| 18:27.23 | Josh_Borke | iterating over raidX doesn't do it? |
| 18:27.36 | Cidan | no sir |
| 18:27.42 | Josh_Borke | what happens then? |
| 18:28.12 | malreth | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6342db2270/head-over-heels-literal-video-version-from-dustfilms |
| 18:28.16 | Cidan | I don't get raid names, health, etc. *ponders* maybe if... |
| 18:28.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal_ (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 18:28.42 | Amarande | I wish I could play WoW on Linux on this machine |
| 18:29.14 | NightHawktheSane | I wish i could play wow on a chip in my head. |
| 18:29.31 | zenzelezz | anyone using Cartographer 3? |
| 18:29.38 | Jelly-School | I wish I could get paid $617M/year to play WoW. |
| 18:29.39 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, I've tried it, it's nifty |
| 18:29.46 | Amarande | the google-like zone scrolling is <3 |
| 18:29.54 | NightHawktheSane | Jelly-School: thats a lot.. >.> |
| 18:29.55 | zenzelezz | am I understanding it right that it doesn't know instance maps until you've entered the instance? |
| 18:29.56 | Amarande | I just wish I could configure the options |
| 18:30.03 | Amarande | does the newest version fix the options dialog? |
| 18:30.53 | Hirsute | Amarande: The newest version does fix the options dialogue, if you're asking about Cart 3 |
| 18:31.06 | Amarande | Yeah, that's what I was asking about |
| 18:31.21 | Amarande | the version I have gives a big fat Swatter dialog every time I go to options |
| 18:31.29 | Amarande | Hirsute: there an option to dim unexplored areas like in C2? |
| 18:31.44 | Hirsute | zenzelezz: Yes |
| 18:31.53 | Hirsute | Amarande: Yes |
| 18:32.48 | Cidan | okay |
| 18:32.50 | Cidan | I take it back |
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| 18:32.54 | Cidan | I can get the raid info |
| 18:32.57 | Xuerian | Amarande: Why can't you play on that machine? |
| 18:33.01 | Hirsute | Or, rather, zenzelezz, I believe you are correct. |
| 18:33.15 | Cidan | I just can't... set them as the unit when I set a secure frame? |
| 18:33.17 | Cidan | It looks like. |
| 18:33.20 | Amarande | Xuerian: ATI 3870 video card |
| 18:33.37 | Amarande | fglrx still isn't stable enough to really be usable, and radeonhd doesn't have 3D acceleration support for that series |
| 18:33.43 | Xuerian | So? Shouldn't the 8.10 drivers cover it? oh, wtf. |
| 18:33.44 | Amarande | so I can RUN WoW, but I literally get zero FPS |
| 18:34.22 | Amarande | Xuerian: every 8.x catalyst (Fglrx) I've tried on Linux has had issues where the system locks hard during such mundane things as logging out, switching users, or switching to and from a text terminal |
| 18:34.39 | Amarande | apparently, this is a known bug, and one which AMD seems to keep failing at fixing |
| 18:35.13 | Xuerian | Amarande: Great, does this extend into the 4x series? |
| 18:35.33 | Amarande | Xuerian: Wouldn't know for sure, since I've only used a 3870 of late |
| 18:35.52 | Amarande | but probably, since people were using fglrx with 1x and 2x cards and still getting the same glitches |
| 18:35.54 | Xuerian | Well, that's annyoing either way.. |
| 18:36.14 | Cidan | okay, so when I take a unit that isn't on my realm, and set attribute unit on a secure frame, it... won't work, so it seems. |
| 18:36.17 | Cidan | Any ideas why? |
| 18:36.29 | Josh_Borke | yes, you're doing it wrong |
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| 18:36.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:36.41 | Cidan | D= |
| 18:36.59 | Xuerian | Amarande: So you haven't tried 8.10? (Would be worth trying anyways, maybe) |
| 18:37.10 | Cidan | So how do I do it? |
| 18:37.29 | Dashkal | any 8.10 horror stories yet? Itching to upgrade but I can't afford to risk my work box.. |
| 18:37.30 | Josh_Borke | cidan: however the others do it |
| 18:37.38 | Cidan | Josh_Borke: h8 |
| 18:37.56 | Amarande | Xuerian: I switched back to Vista, where the catalyst drivers work flawlessly in my experience |
| 18:37.57 | Cidan | Does anyone know? Do I -have- to use secure headers? |
| 18:38.09 | Amarande | except for one strange time when the screen went black for about a minute while I was flying past ironforge |
| 18:38.22 | Amarande | however, I have never been able to reproduce that so I assume it was a freak glitch |
| 18:38.28 | Xuerian | Amarande: I actually had a issue with them randomly going into infinite recovery loops till I reinstalled them on x64sp1, ironically |
| 18:38.47 | Amarande | ah, you use 64-bit vista |
| 18:38.52 | Amarande | I've never seen the need, especially as a gamer |
| 18:39.01 | Xuerian | It runs very snappily. |
| 18:39.20 | Xuerian | And there aren't many issues, really. Mostly only running custom drivers. I miss my kXAudio drivers so much :( |
| 18:39.41 | Amarande | Xuerian: I'm told Neverwinter Nights 2's vista glitch rate goes up dramatically when using vista64 |
| 18:39.43 | Amarande | so I'll pass :) |
| 18:40.03 | Xuerian | Amarande: Well, I can't vouch for that, I never got 2. 1 works ok, so long as I don't use environment mapping. |
| 18:40.21 | Xuerian | Dragon Age looks more and more awesome every time I see it though |
| 18:40.49 | Amarande | Xuerian: let's just have one sadly worrying hope about Dragon Age though |
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| 18:41.06 | Xuerian | Sadly worrying hope? 0_o |
| 18:41.11 | Amarande | I have a very bad feeling that it's going to have that horribad Spore/RA3 DRM |
| 18:41.24 | Amarande | since it looks based on RA3 and Spore that EA plans to enforce that on all games it releases from now on |
| 18:41.45 | matt1s | I'm trying to figure out what addon it was that shows healers targeting me? I thought it was xperl unit frames, but I'm not sure. Can't find where I can turn it back on |
| 18:42.03 | Xuerian | If Bioware takes that, I'm going to be supremely pissed, and am going to crack it. I'll buy it, but will still use the cracked version. |
| 18:42.24 | Amarande | heh, someone should make a spoof song related to that, come to think of it |
| 18:42.30 | Xuerian | Amarande: 1 has survived profitably this long with not much drm (Though the extended campaigns use activation...) |
| 18:42.35 | Amarande | "It's fun to scoff at the D-M-C-A, it's fun to scoff at the D-M-C-A" |
| 18:42.38 | Zeksie | matt1s: it is xperl. it's the raid helper module |
| 18:43.34 | Xuerian | Amarande: I will be surprised if they do it, though. I can see it on single-player games, but if EA looks at NWN's history, they will not try to force it |
| 18:43.53 | matt1s | Zeksie: is that the "helper" tab in the settings? |
| 18:44.06 | Zeksie | yeh |
| 18:44.20 | Zeksie | target counts thing on bottom right corner of that page |
| 18:44.31 | Cidan | need...help...don't...make me add debug code... |
| 18:45.21 | matt1s | Zeksie: hmmmm is that the small frame that pops up and shows names of people healing me? |
| 18:46.15 | Zeksie | mmm. nah. it's a frame with two parts. ppl targetting u and who's targetting your target |
| 18:46.25 | Dashkal | Cidan: welcome to programming :D |
| 18:46.32 | Cidan | Dashkal: Been doing it for years. |
| 18:46.56 | Dashkal | Then you already know you were doomed from the start to debug :p |
| 18:47.57 | malreth | wewt! free doughnuts for voting! http://krispykreme.com/images/hot_vote_now08_pop.jpg |
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| 18:48.44 | Godzmack | lol |
| 18:49.00 | Xuerian | Ok, what's the current light nameplate mod >_> |
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| 18:50.32 | Cidan | I was hoping for a quick answer, D= |
| 18:52.42 | Xuerian | So was I :P |
| 18:53.00 | NightHawktheSane | Xuerian: there's a version of aloft on wowi that says it works. i haven't tried it. *shrug* |
| 18:53.11 | Xuerian | NightHawktheSane: Yeah, just nabbed it |
| 18:53.41 | NightHawktheSane | thats the only nameplate mod i know of currently, though |
| 18:54.00 | Xuerian | Well, we'll see how it does. Default nameplates are shiet :X |
| 18:54.09 | Godzmack | wouldn't call aloft light tho :p |
| 18:54.27 | Xuerian | Well, I wasn't counting on aloft being a suggestion so i said lite :p |
| 18:54.36 | Godzmack | haha |
| 18:55.31 | Godzmack | i just started using the default ones again since they added class coloring on enemy name plates |
| 18:55.51 | Slakah | evl has updated his nameplate mod, it works for me |
| 18:56.05 | NightHawktheSane | Xuerian: indeed, it's not precisely light, but its the only one i know of, so :) |
| 18:56.14 | Xuerian | Slakah: Name? |
| 18:56.59 | Jelly-Class | ~comfort malreth |
| 18:57.00 | purl | There, there, malreth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:57.08 | Jelly-Class | See? Purl is here for you. |
| 18:57.09 | malreth | @MarsPhoenix is dying |
| 18:57.27 | malreth | he'll be claimed by the Martian winter |
| 18:57.47 | malreth | DAMN YOUUUUU MAAAAARRRRRRSS! |
| 18:58.06 | Slakah | Xuerian: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/evl.aspx I stripped out all the other stuff and kept evl_Nameplates |
| 18:58.19 | Xuerian | Slakah: Mmk, thankeh |
| 18:58.26 | Jelly-Class | Does anyone know if I should buy candy for kids in an apartment for tomorrow? Do they still trick-or-treat? |
| 18:59.02 | malreth | i can count the number of trick or treaters at my last 4 apartments on three fingers |
| 18:59.18 | Jelly-Class | Alright. Good. |
| 18:59.25 | malreth | i always bought candy, tho |
| 18:59.32 | malreth | "It's for the kids, honey!" |
| 19:00.05 | Jelly-Class | I already have candy, I just needed to know if I needed more. |
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| 19:01.14 | Jelly-Class | Who here actually likes smarties? |
| 19:01.29 | Shirik | eh |
| 19:01.32 | Shirik | they're kinda bleh |
| 19:01.37 | Shirik | they taste horrible on the outside |
| 19:01.42 | Jelly-Class | ~failrik |
| 19:01.43 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:01.49 | Jelly-Class | ...even though I agree with you |
| 19:02.00 | Jelly-Class | How was 2 miles, 3 minutes, 60mph on a 30mph road? |
| 19:02.36 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065190062&pageNo=1&sid=1#2 |
| 19:02.40 | cogwheel | /headdesk |
| 19:02.58 | Industrial | oUF_Industrial sez: im in ur uiz bein mimimal lulz http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9c7f762a30ed2acb71ae4e84a3b0e3fe.jpg |
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| 19:06.13 | [Liquidor] | http://armory.artoman.com/projectlore.php -- what do you think? |
| 19:07.25 | mikma | cogwheel: ahahahaaaa |
| 19:08.30 | Dashkal | How these people are able to operate the forums I will never understand |
| 19:09.02 | Amarande | Jelly: as far as I can tell, smarties pretty much just taste like sugar |
| 19:09.18 | Amarande | if I want to eat sugar, I can take a spoonful of sugar from the bowl used for coffee, and save money |
| 19:11.45 | Redguard | cogwheel you love it... |
| 19:12.32 | Jelly-Class | Peppy: WTB cookies |
| 19:15.21 | Redguard | cogwheel, you don't happen to know the inner workings of what is updating GetWorldStateUIInfo() do you |
| 19:15.31 | NightHawktheSane | hmm.. oh snap, i forgot to buy halloween candy >.> |
| 19:15.35 | Redguard | more importantly what sets the text it uses |
| 19:15.48 | Redguard | NightHawktheSane fear not, the little kids did NOT forget to buy eggs |
| 19:16.21 | Amarande | I'll just buy candy at work tomorrow |
| 19:16.24 | Amarande | although I get home around 6:30 |
| 19:16.28 | Amarande | which may be too late to add candy |
| 19:16.42 | Redguard | "Gold Team: 2 Players Remaining" |
| 19:16.52 | Redguard | what function is controlling that text, it would be nice :/ |
| 19:17.08 | Redguard | 6:30 is fine |
| 19:17.11 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: I never get trick-or-treaters, the joys of living in an apartment building |
| 19:17.18 | NightHawktheSane | but, i do like the cheap candy |
| 19:17.24 | Redguard | NightHawktheSane lol |
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| 19:19.46 | Amarande | heh, I was gonna get the giant bag of Garoto that's 8.99 no matter what time of year it is |
| 19:19.52 | Amarande | or wait, it's 9.99 now |
| 19:20.07 | Jelly-Class | I plan on going shopping Saturday morning for the rest of the year. |
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| 19:28.39 | Xuerian | Yay, my nameplates are pretty again |
| 19:29.02 | cladhaire | my computer hates me |
| 19:29.03 | cladhaire | 3 wow instances |
| 19:29.48 | haste | my computer hates yours |
| 19:29.55 | haste | 1 wow instance, barely |
| 19:30.31 | mikma | xuerian: lies. |
| 19:30.43 | Xuerian | mikma: no lie XD |
| 19:31.07 | mikma | xuerian: you know the drill.. |
| 19:31.07 | KarlKFI | Aloft was updated, wasn't it? |
| 19:31.12 | Xuerian | yesh |
| 19:31.19 | KarlKFI | then why would he lie |
| 19:31.25 | Jelly-Class | Yes and it's winsauce. |
| 19:31.31 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 19:31.36 | mikma | eww :I |
| 19:31.52 | mikma | the default bars are pretty enough for me |
| 19:32.04 | KarlKFI | functional anyway |
| 19:32.04 | Xuerian | omgugly |
| 19:32.19 | Xuerian | I can't read them, the yellow is distracting |
| 19:33.02 | mikma | i'm a big exception when it comes to wow, i use only couple of addons that change the look of my game :P |
| 19:33.04 | Jelly-Class | and ugly |
| 19:33.31 | Xuerian | mikma: I don't use any default that's always visible o_0 |
| 19:34.34 | mikma | xuerian: heh =) i have the eagles from mainmenubar hidden and my minimap modded (which still uses default texture as border) |
| 19:35.16 | mikma | hiding the eagles allowed me to put my totembars in bottomleft corner |
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| 19:36.06 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_102608_193338.jpg |
| 19:36.57 | Xuerian | damn you |
| 19:37.06 | Xuerian | I was trying to get a screenshot and I aggroed and got killed |
| 19:37.19 | mikma | nice one! gz |
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| 19:37.38 | Xuerian | mikma: wtf opie ftw |
| 19:38.05 | mikma | maybe if it would be written like "oPie" then it might |
| 19:38.05 | NightHawktheSane | god i hate pvp |
| 19:38.29 | Redguard | it loves you |
| 19:38.36 | Xuerian | mikma: It is written like that >_>... srsly, it makes your totem life easier |
| 19:38.47 | NightHawktheSane | and i hate people who like pvp |
| 19:38.54 | mikma | xuerian: its written "OPie" |
| 19:39.01 | Xuerian | whatever :p |
| 19:39.04 | Xuerian | Just try it. |
| 19:39.14 | mikma | there is a difference =) |
| 19:39.25 | NightHawktheSane | I seriously think people who like pvp need to be shot |
| 19:39.55 | Redguard | why is that? |
| 19:39.59 | mikma | shut it with the pvp whining loser |
| 19:40.17 | NightHawktheSane | because they're all a bunch of mouth breathing inbreds who seem to get off on annoying other people |
| 19:40.27 | malreth | hey! i like PvP |
| 19:40.31 | malreth | oh... case in point |
| 19:41.03 | malreth | but... i have to contend that i'm only mouth breathing right now because i have a cold |
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| 19:41.14 | Redguard | NightHawktheSane and how does playing against dynamic environments constitute as annoying other people? |
| 19:41.51 | NightHawktheSane | because -i'm- the dynamic environment, and i just want my damn title |
| 19:42.02 | Xuerian | mikma: http://i38.tinypic.com/2zeba75.jpg |
| 19:42.09 | Redguard | then you're really mad at yourself, not others |
| 19:42.31 | Redguard | if you want a title for dominating above others, you better be prepared to earn it |
| 19:42.34 | NightHawktheSane | im not mad at myself, i'm mad at the antisocial fucks |
| 19:42.36 | mikma | xuerian: yeap. pretty much buttraped with cucumber :) |
| 19:42.45 | Syzgyn | NightHawktheSane: what tiel? |
| 19:42.46 | Syzgyn | title* |
| 19:42.55 | mikma | * Of the Whiner |
| 19:42.56 | Redguard | I won't give you a free kill on any of my characters, nor will I give you free arena points |
| 19:42.59 | malreth | probably the fishing one |
| 19:43.00 | Redguard | you want my points, earn it |
| 19:43.12 | Redguard | I speak for any serious pvp player |
| 19:43.19 | NightHawktheSane | Syzgyn: hallow's end |
| 19:43.25 | Syzgyn | Almost right Redguard |
| 19:43.31 | Redguard | if you fail pvp, forget about the title |
| 19:43.33 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: serious pvpers can diaf. |
| 19:43.38 | Syzgyn | If you want decent amounts of points, earm em |
| 19:43.39 | mikma | oh yeah, that's *really* hard one |
| 19:43.45 | Redguard | don't blame me because you suck at pvp |
| 19:43.47 | Syzgyn | if you want 100 points a week, lose 10 games |
| 19:43.47 | mikma | just hot people around and kazing |
| 19:43.51 | Xuerian | mikma: wut >_> |
| 19:44.01 | Redguard | NightHawktheSane I take offense to that |
| 19:44.13 | NightHawktheSane | mikma: when fucktard rogues literall stunlock me to death before i can get -anywhere- outside the graveyard, its not so easy |
| 19:44.15 | Syzgyn | I take offense to your offense! |
| 19:44.16 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: good. |
| 19:44.52 | Redguard | learn from your mistakes, or you will be forever stuck in the virtual graveyard |
| 19:44.54 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: yes, we who play pvp have been witnessing it. it sucks balls very much, but that's still how the class works |
| 19:44.55 | Dashkal | Redguard: warning before you head down that path. NHtS wants PvP servers removed entirely. You might wanna avoid that one... |
| 19:45.02 | Redguard | where you never res :) |
| 19:45.25 | Redguard | Dashkal obviously he fails horribly at pvp, otherwise he wouldn't push so aggressively anti pvp |
| 19:45.27 | malreth | sounds like someone should have rolled a rogue |
| 19:45.33 | Syzgyn | Redguard: It's more distinct than just skill. claiming its not is ignorant. |
| 19:45.43 | Dashkal | I tried |
| 19:46.01 | Redguard | Syzgyn? |
| 19:46.08 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: i fail, because i -hate- it. |
| 19:46.15 | Redguard | NightHawktheSane you hate it because you fail |
| 19:46.22 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: hardly |
| 19:46.26 | Syzgyn | Claiming a 70 in no pvp gear has a decent chance against a S3/4 rogue is stupid |
| 19:46.32 | Redguard | you couldn't be successful if you tried with that attitude |
| 19:46.33 | Dashkal | Redguard: cause and effect FAIL |
| 19:46.41 | Redguard | Syzgyn they can |
| 19:46.46 | NightHawktheSane | pvp in wow is a loathesom activity that serves ONLY to allow assholes to kill other people |
| 19:46.46 | Syzgyn | Also, harassing the people in the channel because they dont like pvp is kinda ignorant too. |
| 19:46.55 | Syzgyn | Redguard: Only if the rogue is terrible |
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| 19:46.59 | Redguard | Syzgyn no one is harassing anyone, learn what you read |
| 19:47.01 | malreth | hey, check out these pics of a naked woman caught by a satellite3 |
| 19:47.13 | Syzgyn | [15:45] <Redguard> Dashkal obviously he fails horribly at pvp, otherwise he wouldn't push so aggressively anti pvp |
| 19:47.26 | Redguard | NightHawktheSane then forget about the PVP title, if you DONT like pvp |
| 19:47.35 | Redguard | Syzgyn he does fail at pvp, that's not harassment |
| 19:47.38 | Redguard | www.dictionary.com |
| 19:47.40 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: no., |
| 19:47.51 | Redguard | NightHawktheSane what is your PR? |
| 19:47.53 | Syzgyn | Case, point, match. |
| 19:47.57 | NightHawktheSane | every damn world event has a pvp achievement |
| 19:47.58 | Syzgyn | I'm done with that |
| 19:48.00 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: i don't arena. |
| 19:48.07 | bleeter | the bit I like about PvP, is the latency that severely fucks over each and every Oceanic player giving US players a distinct advantage. So yes, of course we, as a general population in WoW, will attempt to use latency hacks to level the playing field a bit. |
| 19:48.08 | Redguard | have you ever done arena |
| 19:48.13 | NightHawktheSane | yes |
| 19:48.13 | Redguard | do you have an arena team |
| 19:48.15 | NightHawktheSane | no |
| 19:48.17 | Redguard | and your PR was? |
| 19:48.37 | NightHawktheSane | I did 10 arena games for one week. i don't know what it is, i don't care. |
| 19:48.40 | NightHawktheSane | I didn't like it. |
| 19:48.41 | Dashkal | NightHawktheSane: Hallows End doesn't require pvp. The "PvP" achievement is actually just scouting and cleaning. (Dunno for hordeside, but I don't htink it requires actual pvp either) |
| 19:48.48 | Syzgyn | So you have to have a good PR to criticize pvp now? |
| 19:48.56 | mikma | dashkal: hallow's end requires pvp. |
| 19:48.57 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: once again, i can't do SHIT if i get stunlocked to death by rogues in the graveyard |
| 19:49.04 | Redguard | Syzgyn stick in your own lane, no one was talking to you |
| 19:49.09 | NightHawktheSane | Redguard: fuck off. |
| 19:49.15 | mikma | dashkal: obtain 50 hk's while under G.N.E.R.D. buff |
| 19:49.21 | Syzgyn | Because IRC is full of two person conversations, yes. |
| 19:49.23 | NightHawktheSane | I've done pvp, all kinds. It's not that i'm bad, It's that i actively DISLIKE the activity |
| 19:49.25 | Dashkal | mikma: crap, my bad. Did forget about that |
| 19:49.34 | Syzgyn | If you want something to be private, say it privately then |
| 19:49.43 | Syzgyn | otherwise dont bitch when someone else comments on it |
| 19:49.54 | mikma | as healer or class with dot, it's awesomely easy :P |
| 19:50.00 | grzesieq | I know it's not the best place to ask, but anyone got any idea how to get a struct timespec with current time on osx? |
| 19:50.11 | Dashkal | mikma: also easy as hell as a stealthy. Just stay near fighting :p |
| 19:50.27 | Dashkal | grzesieq: Does the standard unix call work? |
| 19:50.32 | mikma | dashkal: yeah but you need to damage the opponents too, so plain stealth won't work |
| 19:50.34 | Cairenn | hello, do I need to start yelling at people to behave themselves again? |
| 19:50.35 | grzesieq | no |
| 19:50.48 | Dashkal | mikma: not so. automatic group |
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| 19:50.52 | Redguard | Cairenn I think so |
| 19:50.57 | Syzgyn | ~pounce Cairenn |
| 19:50.58 | purl | ACTION jumps on Cairenn and bounces around Tigger style |
| 19:51.01 | mikma | cairenn: please do |
| 19:51.15 | mikma | haha, cairenn got tiggered! |
| 19:51.21 | bleeter | BBBBRRRAAAAINNNNZZZZ |
| 19:51.23 | Syzgyn | Oh snap! |
| 19:51.34 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/snap.jpg |
| 19:52.17 | Dashkal | mikma: the ability to leech HKs in a group is exactly why Wintergrasp doesn't do automatic grouping. |
| 19:52.38 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 19:52.44 | mikma | dashkal: ain't the damage on player / healing your own required for the actual HK? |
| 19:52.51 | Dashkal | mikma: only out of group |
| 19:53.02 | malreth | for the gnerd thing? |
| 19:53.13 | malreth | i just popped a gnerd and ran around in AV for a while |
| 19:53.15 | malreth | easy peasy |
| 19:53.28 | Dashkal | I did it in about 4 gnerds in AV (I was actually fighting so died) |
| 19:53.32 | Syzgyn | thats what my 60 mage did :P |
| 19:53.35 | Syzgyn | got it in 1 game |
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| 19:53.39 | malreth | i'm even a mage.. fire at that.. |
| 19:53.49 | malreth | i have no business in PvP |
| 19:54.36 | Dashkal | but as for you, NightHawktheSane, you can probably just stock up a pile of gnerds, brave AV, ignore the deaths and just kind of be around fighting. You'll get credit and then can just afk out |
| 19:54.50 | Xuerian | Gnerds achievement? Seed of Corruption ftw |
| 19:54.51 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: im working on it, thats what i more or less do |
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| 19:55.09 | NightHawktheSane | but, like i said, being corpse camped by 12 year old inbred rogues makes that difficult |
| 19:55.21 | mikma | then don't release |
| 19:55.29 | mikma | press cancel and move away from the GY for a moment |
| 19:55.38 | malreth | ghostwalk to a different GY, or get out of res range until more allies pop up |
| 19:55.46 | NightHawktheSane | ... how would that even help? |
| 19:55.58 | Dashkal | I've never actually had that happen. Horde just take the damn GY and I get ported to another |
| 19:56.01 | malreth | strength in numbers |
| 19:56.31 | Dashkal | Long as you rez in a real wave you're golden. Single rogue can't just camp you (they have a whole pile of you and get shreded) |
| 19:56.36 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: nah, there were a few rogues specifically hanging out in the spawn point and in the field of strife doing nothing but picking off loners and freshlly spawned people |
| 19:56.54 | Dashkal | NightHawktheSane: Ahh, I _never_ stand alone in AV. If I get forced back I join D |
| 19:57.01 | Slakah | Maybe they were trying to get an achievement |
| 19:57.04 | mikma | well the answer has veen said to you now |
| 19:57.24 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: yeah, that doesn't work when th ere is no defense. |
| 19:58.33 | Dashkal | Ouch. Zero D tends to lead to very quick losses in my group. 5 defenders can slow down an offensive far more than 5 attackers can speed it up |
| 19:58.39 | bleeter | I like how by merely adding achievements, all the battlegrounds seem to have taken on a new dynamic 'screw the win, I'm after acheivements' |
| 19:58.48 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRL7D0wcXM |
| 19:58.50 | bleeter | hopefully that'll die out in a month or so |
| 19:59.03 | Dashkal | bleeter: heh. I made a point of actually contributing while I was in there. I just never went back once I got my 50 hks |
| 19:59.30 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: yeah, and the result is chain dying and and 4 hks to show for it. |
| 19:59.45 | Dashkal | NightHawktheSane: in that case, get out, wait 10 minutes, and queue again |
| 19:59.51 | Dashkal | Get into a different set of players |
| 20:00.08 | Dashkal | I suspect you have a pretty nasty case of faction fail |
| 20:00.15 | NightHawktheSane | I'm on my third game that's been two groups of 40 charging the end boss :p |
| 20:00.16 | mikma | dear lord, make the wah wah stio |
| 20:00.18 | mikma | stop* |
| 20:00.31 | malreth | SWEET BABY RAY'S!!! |
| 20:00.57 | Dashkal | Shadowburn/alliance is pretty amazingly craptastic. We hate each other more than we hate the horde... |
| 20:00.57 | bleeter | time of day plays a very big part on how well your BG action will go. I refuse to BG between 3 and around 9PM server time ;) |
| 20:01.27 | NightHawktheSane | you know, i actually really liked AV back before TBC |
| 20:01.50 | Dashkal | Heh, that's cause back then it was a PvE instance with other players about |
| 20:02.03 | NightHawktheSane | yeah, and you could do not-to-bad with a decent set of pve gear |
| 20:02.21 | bleeter | and it actually felt like an epic battle |
| 20:02.34 | NightHawktheSane | bleeter: well, that was because at 12-14 hours each, it was :p |
| 20:02.52 | bleeter | my old realm, we'd measure AV in days ;) |
| 20:02.56 | Slakah | and before Xrealm stuff they were pretty rare |
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| 20:04.45 | Redguard | Dashkal the worst thing I hear on my server since it's the only place I can comment |
| 20:04.47 | Dashkal | Maelstrom measured in days. That wasn't a battleground you won, it was one you played in for awhile then left |
| 20:04.51 | Redguard | is "Why does Medivh suck at pvp" |
| 20:05.07 | Redguard | "we always lose in every battle in pvp" |
| 20:05.19 | Redguard | and I reply "I win every one I'm in, what does this say?" |
| 20:05.24 | Redguard | ^- applies to any server |
| 20:05.36 | Redguard | people need to stop saying we, and start saying I more often |
| 20:05.57 | Dashkal | Elune was a bit better. Alli was so amazingly fail on that one it was measured in about an hour. I don;t think alli won a single AV on that server pre battlegroups |
| 20:06.05 | Dashkal | But they were faster! |
| 20:06.27 | bleeter | Dashkal: aye. And I can't help but to stop thinking that the major suck of the long AV games was that there was no XRealm BGs, so you'd queue for hours and not actually 'win' anything. |
| 20:06.50 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure Stormstrike is the most slanted battlegroup in AV |
| 20:06.57 | Amarande | to the point that horde almost couldn't play AV there in 2.3 |
| 20:06.58 | Dashkal | Battlegroups were pretty much required. There simply wasn't a large enough pool of players to get the damn things running |
| 20:07.05 | bleeter | now with Xrealm, the long queue is removed (I'm talking 4+ hour queues), and a tweak to rewardable objectives would've worked |
| 20:07.14 | malreth | http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/513211/611031.jpg |
| 20:07.33 | Dashkal | malreth: *cackles* |
| 20:07.55 | Amarande | bleeter: depends |
| 20:08.02 | Amarande | in 2.3 Stormstrike AV, you still got 4+ hour queues on horde side :| |
| 20:08.22 | Amarande | I think there was one other battlegroup where Horde was having huge problems with AV queues then too |
| 20:08.33 | Amarande | those battlegroups, are now universally hated by the other battlegroups |
| 20:08.59 | Dashkal | Shadowburn had multi-hour horde queues. The alliance up and quit playing AV |
| 20:09.07 | bleeter | meh, PvP still fails. See attempting kitty pounce or shadow step for an Oceanic player. |
| 20:09.23 | Amarande | Dashkal: Same on Stormstrike |
| 20:09.48 | Dashkal | I can't say I'm surprised (see comment about Alli hating each other). Since we couldn't worth together we had a 10% win ratio |
| 20:09.52 | Amarande | bleeter: lag is not a reason to disparage the design of PvP |
| 20:10.04 | Dashkal | so we just stopped playing. AV gave no rewards for losing so we didn't waste our time |
| 20:10.05 | bleeter | for those who haven't heard my complaint before: enemy straight lines to you. spam pounce 'target is outta range, target is outta range, target is outta range, target is behind you' wtf I was spamming the move |
| 20:10.15 | Amarande | The reason those two battlegroups are now universally hated by the other 7 |
| 20:10.29 | Amarande | is because they are the reason why horde practically never wins AV now on almost every battlegroup :S |
| 20:10.38 | Amarande | it went something like this |
| 20:10.39 | Dashkal | Could care less what a group of players I will never interact with think about mine :p |
| 20:10.47 | Amarande | horde totally steamrollered AV in stormstrike/shadowburn BGs |
| 20:10.59 | Amarande | alliance qq'd and up and quit |
| 20:11.10 | Amarande | horde qq'd (because they were stuck with hours long queues to get into AV at all now) |
| 20:11.17 | Dashkal | Though that anger is foolish. Why the hell should they care what we say? If blizzard rebalanced to our two and didn't check the balance afterwords, they failed bigtime |
| 20:11.24 | bleeter | I'm still impressed with my BG's 51-60 horde AV side. I played in excess of 100 games in the bracket, and we didn't lose a single one. |
| 20:11.33 | Amarande | and the only thing blizzard could think of to fix things was to balance the battleground some more in favor of Alliance so Alliance would be more willing to play |
| 20:11.45 | Amarande | so now on BGs were AV was borderline or horde disadvantage, horde practically never wins |
| 20:11.56 | bleeter | somehow everyone, though, has brain stem removal when they ding 61 and forget how they won in 51-60 |
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| 20:12.19 | Dashkal | there's a 51-60 bracket? (kidding) I found that to be a waste of precious leveling time |
| 20:12.40 | bleeter | *amazing time to gather tokens and pick up gear for when you ding 70 |
| 20:12.58 | Amarande | bleeter: that could be blamed, in part, on the bracket design I think |
| 20:13.02 | Dashkal | Mind you, I hate PvP :p |
| 20:13.04 | malreth | hrm? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065200169&sid=1 |
| 20:13.13 | Amarande | if AV used 0-9 brackets like the other BGs instead of 1-0 brackets it might be different |
| 20:13.23 | bleeter | malreth: it better be good, I've sworn off the forums :P |
| 20:13.27 | Amarande | however, because of the whole resilience thing, it's almost not worth playing AV at all once you ding 61 |
| 20:13.37 | malreth | it's more of a question |
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| 20:13.41 | malreth | not really entertaining |
| 20:13.41 | bleeter | malreth: whoa lol |
| 20:13.52 | malreth | i'm just wondering how that would happen |
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| 20:13.54 | bleeter | malreth: it's /boggle worthy, I like :) |
| 20:14.17 | Amarande | bleeter: once you ding 61, you're in a bracket with well-geared 70's and you have no resilience to speak of till you hit 70 yourself |
| 20:14.20 | Dashkal | malreth: He's clicking the confirm button to avoid the "apply poison?" |
| 20:14.29 | Amarande | therefore, you have no real choice but to go pve until 70 or only do other battlegrounds in the meanwhile |
| 20:14.41 | Dashkal | why would you use that while targeting a trainer? O.o |
| 20:14.46 | malreth | Dashkal: that seemingly is what the /click command is for |
| 20:14.49 | Amarande | and seeing as it took longer to go 61-70 than 1-61, I wouldn't be surprised if people let some of the strategy knowledge vanish |
| 20:15.05 | Dashkal | Though I do wonder how the respec option came up... That macro shouldn't have asked for a respec |
| 20:15.13 | Amarande | why is AV on different brackets, anyway? |
| 20:15.18 | malreth | Dashkal: don't know. regardless, just targeting the trainer NPC and clicking a button shouldn't cause a respec |
| 20:15.37 | Dashkal | Amarande: the lower bracket is the pre-TBC one. It was built to have one bracket only |
| 20:15.52 | bleeter | yar, that really needs to change imo |
| 20:16.03 | bleeter | particularly now with the upcoming required arena foo |
| 20:16.04 | Dashkal | They should have changed it to 50-59, 60-69. 70 but never did |
| 20:16.33 | Dashkal | Given that you can't even get the lolblue set without arena points... I don't think I'll be getting any pvp gear... |
| 20:16.42 | kamdis | malreth i relied to that numbskull |
| 20:16.45 | kamdis | *replied |
| 20:18.08 | malreth | cogwheel: ping |
| 20:18.13 | cogwheel | malreth: pong |
| 20:18.31 | malreth | cogwheel: so i've noticed something about the mage polymorph spell in macros |
| 20:18.47 | malreth | if you use just /cast Polymorph it will always cast polymorph pig now |
| 20:19.00 | Dashkal | Everybody just got three free days: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12065150116-realm-compensation.html |
| 20:19.02 | cogwheel | How odd |
| 20:19.15 | malreth | and i now have to explicitly state Polymorph(Rank 4) to sheep (or penguin) |
| 20:19.56 | malreth | it broke my /castrandom macro. i had to rewrite it. |
| 20:20.32 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: that is, if "everbody" except EU :\ and the regions that actually push their userbase to 11million :D |
| 20:20.42 | malreth | anyways, it seems to be a bug introduced with the last patch. |
| 20:20.47 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/6584589410-realm-compensation.html |
| 20:20.53 | Dashkal | There's on for EU as well |
| 20:21.03 | Gnarfoz | edited in, cheaters |
| 20:21.17 | Dashkal | reboot time *crosses fingers* |
| 20:21.26 | Dashkal | at least I have gnome to fall back on if KDE asplodes :p |
| 20:21.30 | malreth | there hasn't been a gametime comp in a while |
| 20:21.53 | NeoTron | malreth: so... he had respecced, and the click command kept submitting the "are you sure" dialog, causing the respec to happen |
| 20:22.14 | malreth | that's all i can think of |
| 20:22.19 | NeoTron | malreth: seems flawed that it'd work, but logically it seems to make sens |
| 20:22.34 | NeoTron | the button still existed, and /click doesnt' check for visibility I guess |
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| 20:23.13 | malreth | seems plausible |
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| 20:24.05 | NeoTron | pretty hot feature |
| 20:24.20 | NeoTron | I wonder if it would have helped to not target the trainer even |
| 20:25.09 | malreth | regardless, it's likely to be unintended |
| 20:25.16 | NeoTron | no kidding :P |
| 20:25.32 | malreth | the OnClick for the static popup button should be nilled out or something i guess when hidden |
| 20:25.38 | NeoTron | in more than one way - /click working on hidden buttons AND the commit working once already committed |
| 20:26.20 | malreth | http://cursebird.com/ |
| 20:26.27 | Cidan | Shirik: So I'm working on the actual raid windows for Conspiracy... man, this is so much easier than RDX, lol. |
| 20:26.56 | kamdis | I really doubt he's telling the complete truth, but maybe that's just my cynical nature. |
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| 20:27.38 | Industrial | Cidan: so can we use conspiracy yet? oyuve been working on it for like a year :P i havent really noticed anything on wowi or something :S |
| 20:28.20 | Cidan | Industrial: Yes and no; The framework/API is pretty much done, with a few changes coming here or there. |
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| 20:28.29 | Cidan | Now I'm writing modules for it |
| 20:28.36 | Redguard | Industrial rule #1 : don't talk about Conspiricy |
| 20:28.48 | Redguard | :o |
| 20:28.49 | NeoTron | what's the site that has blizzard interface code/xml browsable? |
| 20:28.52 | Cidan | I've almost finished the threat meters (which are so much better than Omen) |
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| 20:28.59 | Slakah | ~rule1 |
| 20:28.59 | purl | i heard rule1 is do not talk about #wowuidev |
| 20:29.07 | erikd | ~rule2 |
| 20:29.08 | purl | well, rule2 is DO NOT TALK ABOUT #WOWUIDEV |
| 20:29.13 | Redguard | threat meters are pretty simple now Cidan with built in feedback and calculations |
| 20:29.32 | End | ~~~~~~~~~ |
| 20:29.32 | purl | I'm ignoring you now. |
| 20:29.38 | Cidan | Yes, but the layout and the options, are so much prettier. =D |
| 20:29.54 | Cidan | I mean shit, what other threat meter lets you theme your window to Hello Kitty? |
| 20:29.57 | NightHawktheSane | ~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 20:29.58 | purl | No, really, STOP! |
| 20:30.06 | erikd | ~~ |
| 20:30.07 | purl | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 20:30.09 | NightHawktheSane | Cidan: only the best one. |
| 20:30.11 | NightHawktheSane | ~~~~~~~ |
| 20:30.12 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat nighthawkthesane. |
| 20:30.15 | Redguard | Cidan besides omen? |
| 20:31.02 | Cidan | pffft, BETTER THAN OMEN I TELL YOU |
| 20:31.13 | Redguard | can someone do me a favor, i dont run stock UI and i dont care to |
| 20:31.23 | Cidan | Redguard: WHAT IS UP MY HOME DOG |
| 20:31.31 | Redguard | go kill a mob with the internal threat meter active, and take a screen shot of the threat % it supposedly shows |
| 20:31.37 | Redguard | that's all homie ;) |
| 20:31.56 | Redguard | I was going to write a quick patch for x-perl to do the same, send it to the author |
| 20:32.00 | Cidan | it will show 100% |
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| 20:32.20 | Redguard | does it change colors |
| 20:32.25 | Redguard | anything besides just the percentage? |
| 20:32.33 | Redguard | and where does it show the percentage, can you screen shot that? |
| 20:32.55 | Cidan | it does, it outlines red, and the perfect is above the unit frame |
| 20:32.59 | Cidan | I can't screenshot it |
| 20:33.04 | Cidan | because I don't run stock, =D |
| 20:33.58 | mikma | you must run sumtin super then |
| 20:34.39 | Redguard | Cidan i will give you a cookie if you do it |
| 20:34.42 | Industrial | Redguard: you dont care so dont let someone else do the work for you, or you care and could do it yourself. |
| 20:34.56 | Redguard | i care to see how it looks |
| 20:35.00 | Industrial | so do it yourself |
| 20:35.03 | Redguard | but i'm busy enough to side track that much |
| 20:35.17 | Redguard | so someone less busy who doesn't mind, can do it |
| 20:35.24 | Redguard | there are enough people in here willing to help |
| 20:35.29 | Industrial | you could have done it 10 times now |
| 20:35.37 | Redguard | im busy |
| 20:35.40 | Redguard | stop trolling |
| 20:35.41 | Industrial | im not! |
| 20:35.46 | Redguard | :P |
| 20:35.48 | Industrial | im not trolling, im telling you facts |
| 20:36.04 | Redguard | fact = you are causing trouble |
| 20:36.22 | Industrial | true, but not without reason |
| 20:36.27 | Redguard | you are not part of the solution, you're a part of the problem |
| 20:36.30 | Redguard | so go away |
| 20:36.31 | bleeter | you know |
| 20:36.36 | Cidan | man |
| 20:36.37 | Cairenn | Redguard: enough |
| 20:36.38 | bleeter | there are days I really wish I was an op here |
| 20:36.44 | Cidan | Shirik: We're so awesome. |
| 20:36.45 | bleeter | and I'd +q without a second thought |
| 20:36.46 | NightHawktheSane | ~Industrial++ |
| 20:36.49 | Redguard | i'm trying to be productive here Cairenn, not get trolled |
| 20:36.50 | Shirik | ?? |
| 20:36.50 | Cidan | Shirik: Conspiracy rocks. |
| 20:36.53 | Shirik | it does? |
| 20:36.57 | Cidan | It does. |
| 20:36.59 | Shirik | nice. |
| 20:37.02 | Cidan | I'm writing the raid windows right now |
| 20:37.09 | Cairenn | Redguard: to be completely brutal, the only troll in here right now is you |
| 20:37.11 | Cidan | Beats the everlasting piss out of RDX/VFL |
| 20:37.22 | Cairenn | there has been more bullshit in here today than there's been in weeks |
| 20:37.32 | zenzelezz | Redguard: I warned you about awakening Cairenn |
| 20:37.37 | Cairenn | and if you don't back down, you'll be invited to leave |
| 20:37.48 | Redguard | be as brutal as you wish, I am deadly *snickers* :) |
| 20:37.58 | malreth | um... no |
| 20:38.01 | Industrial | >< |
| 20:38.02 | malreth | you do not do that here |
| 20:38.10 | malreth | other places, maybe |
| 20:38.16 | malreth | but this is a clean, God-fearing channel |
| 20:38.20 | bleeter | particularly if you want people to give their time freely to do stuff that you're too lazy to do yourself |
| 20:38.26 | mikma | zenzelezz: haha |
| 20:38.33 | Redguard | I fear god as much as the spaghetti monster |
| 20:38.34 | mikma | zenzelezz: sleeping bears |
| 20:38.39 | Redguard | read the book "The God Delusion" some day |
| 20:38.43 | Redguard | it is an awesome read |
| 20:38.44 | malreth | Redguard: you will fear Cairenn |
| 20:38.47 | mikma | god i hope she's not hairy |
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| 20:38.51 | Redguard | I fear nothing |
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| 20:38.55 | Redguard | don't instigate |
| 20:39.08 | Cidan | oh Redguard, quit acting 16, and just chill already |
| 20:39.09 | Cidan | Anyway |
| 20:39.17 | Cidan | Have I mentioned how awesome Shirik and I are? |
| 20:39.20 | Cidan | Because we are. |
| 20:39.21 | malreth | fwiw, i worship Dawkins |
| 20:39.25 | bleeter | Cidan: not recently |
| 20:39.30 | Cidan | Oh, well then |
| 20:39.31 | bleeter | so feel free to mention it |
| 20:39.35 | Cidan | Shirik and I are awesome. |
| 20:39.40 | bleeter | oO orly?? |
| 20:39.43 | Cidan | YEAH |
| 20:39.45 | malreth | Cidan: examples, plx |
| 20:39.46 | bleeter | never knew. grats! :) |
| 20:39.52 | bleeter | malreth: good point |
| 20:39.54 | bleeter | Cidan: SSOIDH |
| 20:39.56 | Cidan | Not yet, once I finish raid windows. D= |
| 20:40.03 | Cidan | Shirik: Dude, try out the threat meter |
| 20:40.05 | bleeter | aweomse FALE |
| 20:40.08 | Shirik | I have actually |
| 20:40.09 | Shirik | it's pretty nice |
| 20:40.14 | Cidan | The newest version? |
| 20:40.17 | Cidan | I just put it up like |
| 20:40.18 | Cidan | last night |
| 20:40.35 | mikma | whatmeter? |
| 20:41.10 | Cidan | I'm going to put a healer mode in, where instead of players on the list, you see every mob that any raid member is targeting, and their threat towards you. |
| 20:41.24 | mikma | liiiiiiink! |
| 20:41.32 | Cidan | no link yet |
| 20:41.34 | Cidan | It's not out |
| 20:41.35 | mikma | need more sexy threatmeters |
| 20:41.40 | mikma | ss then! |
| 20:41.49 | Shirik | I have to go eat for a bit |
| 20:41.51 | Shirik | I shall return |
| 20:42.03 | Cidan | I'll put out Conspiracy and the threat meters in the next few days |
| 20:42.08 | Redguard | Cidan which would be amazingly useful if you could reconfigure bars in combat to be clickable and target units, which you can't (if i recall correctly) |
| 20:42.26 | NeoTron | Cidan: screenshot or it didn't happen |
| 20:42.29 | Cidan | You can't, but, at least you can get the info. |
| 20:42.37 | Redguard | which makes it a majority eye candy, and a minority useful |
| 20:42.45 | Redguard | still useful, but no where near as much as it should be |
| 20:42.58 | Cidan | Yes well, it's for the best. |
| 20:43.00 | NeoTron | same problem I face in MagicTargets |
| 20:43.04 | bleeter | what? their removing class forums? |
| 20:43.07 | Redguard | tentatively, sure |
| 20:43.12 | zenzelezz | <Cidan> I'll put out [...] in the next few days <--- what he was trying to say |
| 20:43.13 | Cidan | Lest we end up with another Naxx issue. |
| 20:43.19 | Cide | hi |
| 20:43.22 | bleeter | *they're |
| 20:43.24 | Cidan | I put out every day. |
| 20:43.59 | mikma | i blame everyone in here that start with "cid" ... |
| 20:44.04 | Cidan | Anyway, yes, secure frames were for the best |
| 20:44.10 | bleeter | malreth: hah WIN |
| 20:44.20 | Shirik | Cidan: There are some things I want in too :) |
| 20:44.22 | Shirik | so... |
| 20:44.26 | Cidan | Like? |
| 20:44.26 | Shirik | we'll talk about that though |
| 20:44.29 | Cidan | Okay |
| 20:44.30 | malreth | bleeter: hrm? |
| 20:44.32 | Cidan | Well I have like |
| 20:44.36 | Cidan | some neat features |
| 20:44.56 | Cidan | like, you can see instead of what you're targetting, what a given raid member is targeting |
| 20:45.08 | Cidan | so the threat meter won't show your target, but a raid member's target |
| 20:45.19 | bleeter | removing class forums is prolly the dumbest thing I've heard from blizz in quite some time |
| 20:45.21 | Redguard | what use is that? |
| 20:45.26 | Cidan | or, or or, what I'm working on now, threat on mouse over. Mouse over a unit, and you can see your threat towards it. |
| 20:45.38 | Cidan | Redguard: I swear to God, I'm going to kick you in the nuts if you don't stop talking. |
| 20:45.43 | malreth | Cide: hey... the CT Viewport up on wowinterface.com... the "WoTLK" compatible version? When you download it, you get version 1.22 |
| 20:46.00 | malreth | it's only compatible if you're running like 1.12 of WoW |
| 20:46.12 | Redguard | Cidan are you offended by elaborating on your options? |
| 20:46.15 | Cide | aren't you? |
| 20:46.23 | Redguard | I don't get your problem with my question |
| 20:46.30 | Cidan | Redguard: I'm offended by your constant stream of negativity. |
| 20:46.33 | malreth | Cide: should i be? |
| 20:46.43 | Cide | yes. I made it specially for you |
| 20:46.55 | Redguard | Cidan if you take perfection as negativity, you shouldn't work around critical developers then |
| 20:47.03 | malreth | i bet my decursing macros would work much better |
| 20:47.07 | Redguard | I analyze -everything- |
| 20:47.07 | Cidan | Cairenn: Can I punch him? |
| 20:47.12 | Cide | /racure |
| 20:47.22 | Cide | Redguard: what are the flaws of vista? |
| 20:47.27 | Cide | wrong. gtfo |
| 20:47.29 | malreth | Cide: MEMORIES! |
| 20:47.30 | Cidan | rofl |
| 20:47.35 | Cidan | I love you cide. |
| 20:47.39 | Redguard | cide, what does vista have to do with my pizza? |
| 20:47.51 | mikma | haha, kick in the nuts, nice touch cidan. |
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| 20:50.11 | mikma | ouchtime |
| 20:50.15 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 20:50.17 | Cidan | lol |
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| 20:50.24 | Syzgyn | Thank you |
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| 20:50.32 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:50.34 | Syzgyn | :o |
| 20:50.34 | Cidan | ahaha |
| 20:50.41 | Cidan | See? |
| 20:50.41 | Shirik | lua> 60*60*24 |
| 20:50.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: 86400 |
| 20:50.43 | Cidan | Asshat |
| 20:50.44 | mikma | double ouchtime |
| 20:50.45 | Cidan | through and through |
| 20:50.51 | Cairenn | leave it guys |
| 20:50.58 | Cidan | So |
| 20:51.01 | Syzgyn | BRAINS |
| 20:51.04 | Cidan | Shirik, coming for thanksgiving? |
| 20:51.11 | mikma | two strikes! |
| 20:51.20 | Shirik | I'll probably be up there, not entirely sure yet though |
| 20:51.35 | malreth | i wanna spend thanksgiving with Shirik |
| 20:51.44 | Cidan | malreth: Move to Virginia, =D |
| 20:51.45 | |Jelly| | same |
| 20:51.54 | malreth | i wanna spend it with all of yous |
| 20:51.58 | mikma | i wanna spend shirik |
| 20:52.04 | malreth | i'll just bring the laptop to the dinner table |
| 20:52.18 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 20:52.19 | Shirik | Okay guys I really have to go get something to eat |
| 20:52.23 | mikma | aint good until you drop turkey on it |
| 20:52.26 | Cidan | Shirik: ohm nomnom |
| 20:52.27 | Shirik | you all take cafre |
| 20:52.31 | Shirik | care* |
| 20:52.34 | Cidan | Shirik: IM me on MSN later about Threat meters |
| 20:52.36 | Cidan | and what you wanted |
| 20:52.37 | Cidan | etc |
| 20:52.51 | Syzgyn | Bai shirik |
| 20:53.07 | mikma | cidan: give me your address ans i contact you about the screenshots |
| 20:53.22 | Cidan | mikma: my MSN one? aj.lobato@gmail.com |
| 20:53.37 | Shirik | ok Cidan |
| 20:53.40 | Cidan | I'll cap you a screen if you really want later. |
| 20:53.55 | Cidan | Or actually |
| 20:54.03 | Cidan | the SVN is open if you want to beta(alpha?) test |
| 20:54.04 | mikma | cidan: gtalk with gmail dude! |
| 20:54.13 | Cidan | mikma: I have that too, same address |
| 20:54.37 | mikma | not like i will actually contact you but.. =/ |
| 20:54.43 | Industrial | select(3, UnitDetailedThreatSituation(a, b)) returns a's threat in b's threat list as percentage, correct? |
| 20:55.03 | mikma | correct |
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| 20:55.14 | Industrial | nice, i has a threatmeter nao, lmao |
| 20:55.25 | Redguard- | clearly |
| 20:55.40 | mikma | knifes in the air |
| 20:55.47 | Cidan | anyway |
| 20:55.59 | Cidan | if you want to try the threat meters (you have been warned, they aren't done) |
| 20:56.01 | mikma | i hope industrial is wearing fullbody armor |
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| 20:56.18 | Cidan | svn://svn.conspiracy-ui.com/Conspiracy |
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| 20:57.50 | Amarande | who was that? |
| 20:58.13 | Cidan | No one, don't worry about it. =D |
| 20:58.18 | mikma | lol |
| 20:58.19 | Cidan | Man, I'm hungry |
| 20:58.26 | Cidan | SHIT, I need to buy a new DVD burner, bahhh |
| 20:58.50 | Amarande | Cidan: how'd you break yours? |
| 20:58.51 | mikma | so is it like, food or dvdburner? |
| 20:59.02 | Amarande | the last time I managed to break a DVD drive was like ... really odd |
| 20:59.03 | Cidan | didn't break it, just need another for a server I have. |
| 20:59.25 | Amarande | I'd just gotten my iPod, and I was mass ripping my entire CD collection to iTunes so I could put it on said iPod |
| 20:59.30 | mikma | mine just stopped reading disks |
| 20:59.36 | Amarande | well ... one CD I put in there, there was this SNAP sound |
| 20:59.40 | Amarande | not sure why that happened |
| 20:59.42 | mikma | poor cd |
| 20:59.45 | Cidan | ...lol. |
| 20:59.48 | mikma | too much rpm |
| 20:59.55 | bleeter | heh, just glancing at the forums, I'd say the dislike of the class forum change is running 10 or 15 to 1 person who likes |
| 20:59.57 | Amarande | but I opened the drive, and out came one of my Bjork CDs with a strange chunk snapped off the side |
| 21:00.07 | bleeter | it's a seriously stupid idea |
| 21:00.17 | Amarande | said chunk was nowhere to be found ... had to get a new drive, a DVD burner with a random bit of CD bouncing around somewhere in there is no good :) |
| 21:00.19 | mikma | lol, good thing for bjork |
| 21:00.54 | bleeter | Cairenn: hey, instead of all these categories for addons, why not 'easy, 'not so easy' and 'complicated'. It'll make it easier for users of similar addon complexity to discuss their issues! ;) |
| 21:01.06 | Cairenn | bleeter: lol |
| 21:01.37 | bleeter | Cairenn: funny, that was my reaction to the class forum change ;) |
| 21:01.40 | |Jelly| | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/index.html |
| 21:03.55 | bleeter | completely off-topic question for folks who listen to 'classical' music. how do you manage your ID tags on mp3/oggs etc. to handle movements of a symphony - and in worse case scenarious of digitizing vinyl, which side of the vinyl it was on |
| 21:04.23 | bleeter | I've been discussing this with my brother and a few 'industry types' on and off for quite some time, and it's got us beat. |
| 21:05.21 | bleeter | Song Name - "Beethvn's 4th 2nd mvmnt side 1" kinda blows goats |
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| 21:05.38 | |Jelly| | 42? |
| 21:06.25 | Amarande | bleeter: yeah, I'd probably go with something like the one you said kinda blows goats though :| |
| 21:06.30 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: it only blows because you're stuffing a lot of information into a single field and abbreviating to boot |
| 21:07.01 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: can you recommend any other field to store the infos? |
| 21:07.21 | bleeter | sure, you can store a disc number of a set, but you can't specify which side of a disc (if any) |
| 21:07.28 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* it depends a lot on what format your pulling from, but you could arguably treat different sides as different disks, and different movements a different tracks |
| 21:07.56 | bleeter | so when I see 'disc 7' I really need to think 'disc 3'? |
| 21:08.00 | bleeter | er |
| 21:08.01 | bleeter | 4 |
| 21:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if you're pulling from a multi-disk format, it probably gets trickier. |
| 21:08.40 | Amarande | bleeter: something like that |
| 21:08.56 | Amarande | hey, back in the old days when games came on double sided 5.25" floppies, we referred to each side as the this or that "disk" |
| 21:09.12 | |Jelly| | The dark ages of gaming! |
| 21:09.19 | Amarande | well, other than in say the Gold Box games on Commodore, in which case it was still "Insert side E, and press any key." |
| 21:09.22 | NightHawkTheSane | You could either treat separate sides as additional tracks on the same disk, or a different disk |
| 21:09.32 | Amarande | I miss my Commodore. |
| 21:09.33 | Amarande | :( |
| 21:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | There's also various other fields, like comments, that can be used for a more exact representation of the info. |
| 21:09.57 | Amarande | I wonder if it's still in the basement somewhere among all the other disused electronics or if we tossed it a few years ago when we did spring cleaning with a dumpster :( |
| 21:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: itunes also has a 'grouping' tag that could be used to store information like 'side' |
| 21:12.02 | Amarande | I also wish I still had my Krynn Gold Box games. But if I go to Underdogs I feel like a pirate, and the copies on eBay are 5.25" |
| 21:12.17 | |Jelly| | G| [Flipaflapjac]: what does epeen mean? |
| 21:12.20 | |Jelly| | Poor bastard |
| 21:12.30 | Amarande | say, can you even get a 5.25" drive anymore? |
| 21:12.44 | bleeter | custom built, iirc |
| 21:12.47 | bleeter | but sure |
| 21:13.59 | Amarande | Of course, if being a pirate would allow me to be immortal at the only cost of turning into a skeleton certain nights of the month, I'd be just dandy with it. :) |
| 21:14.01 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: poor bastard? i dunno, i might consider him lucky.. |
| 21:14.22 | |Jelly| | Good call. |
| 21:14.31 | bleeter | loollollololol "Does John McCain really think that Thrall is a socialist who lauched his career as warchief in Arthas's livingroom?" |
| 21:16.33 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10871018107&sid=1&pageNo=17#334 Read the quote. |
| 21:16.39 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.50 | |Jelly| | Why do people think they need to update their addons daily? |
| 21:17.47 | Amarande | Meanwhile ... |
| 21:18.12 | Amarande | Are game companies better run by businessmen who are not necessarily especially familiar with gaming, or better run by gamers who would be intimately familiar with the product they're going to make? |
| 21:18.28 | NightHawkTheSane | no business is better run by businessmen |
| 21:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | "businessmen", "marketing executives", and "venture capitalists" are evil and a big part of what's wrong with most companies |
| 21:20.00 | bleeter | no u |
| 21:20.03 | bleeter | :P |
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| 21:21.05 | Amarande | It just seems logical to me that a business that's into manufacturing creative works, is best run by the people who are most familiar with and interested in said works |
| 21:22.20 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: s/most companies/the free market/ ;\ |
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| 21:22.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: that's what i was thinking, i just didn't want to piss people off twice in one day. ;) |
| 21:24.05 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: hehe |
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| 21:25.23 | Ho0ber | Good afternoon. |
| 21:26.38 | Gnarfoz | that's... wrong on so many levels |
| 21:26.40 | Dashkal | meh, catch with installing carrier from source: Have to recompile when upgrading. Stupid TLS support |
| 21:27.11 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: wish there was an updated build of it for win32, can't be arsed to get a full dev environment up and running here to compile it myself :\ |
| 21:27.27 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: Have you checked recently? Pretty sure there is |
| 21:27.45 | Gnarfoz | dunno, checked weeks after pidgin 2.5 came out, nothing then |
| 21:27.50 | Dashkal | ahh, check again. |
| 21:28.24 | Gnarfoz | but then again, pidgin is at 2.5.2 already, carrier still at .0 |
| 21:28.25 | Gnarfoz | ;> |
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| 21:29.06 | Dashkal | that .0 is misleading considering it's a fork |
| 21:29.17 | Dashkal | and one that includes upstream updates at that |
| 21:29.36 | Dashkal | Mostly it just exists to add features people wanted but the devs rejected |
| 21:30.52 | malreth | man... this is why i'll never become a baseball fan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MufTb-D4AcE you pick the wrong team and BAM! this crap happens to you |
| 21:32.39 | Dashkal | malreth: s/baseball/sports/ The rest aren't much better... |
| 21:33.11 | mikma | malreth: fanboing something is always bad. pretending to be a random viewer might be better |
| 21:33.53 | mikma | "oh looooookie, they hit the balls, fun. whats this called again? base balls?" |
| 21:35.18 | malreth | the movie description is /boggle worthy... "HE DID NOT DIE! He only suffered a huge gash on his head." |
| 21:35.28 | malreth | oh... well THAT'S a relief |
| 21:35.52 | mikma | ummmm riiiight |
| 21:36.06 | mikma | they tossed a freaking bottle on his head |
| 21:36.32 | malreth | later all |
| 21:39.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: ping? |
| 21:39.55 | Antiarc | Pongngngngngngng |
| 21:40.49 | Stanzilla | antiarc smells :( |
| 21:40.53 | NightHawkTheSane | So I tried the latest sexymap again this morning, and i noticed a few things: dragging buttons around a square minimap still drags them in a circular pattern. And the "show stuff on hover" feature seems to play really oddly with nodes painted on by gathermate/etc |
| 21:41.10 | Antiarc | Hm, the latest alpha should ignore GatherMate pins |
| 21:41.14 | Antiarc | (and anything else 16x16 or smaller) |
| 21:41.15 | cladhaire | Anyone know where I could find a player frame mod like the old gypsy? |
| 21:41.20 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/30/funny-pictures-was-not-only-haunted-by-his-last-two-livesbut-they-had-no-clue-about-personal-space/ |
| 21:41.29 | kamdis | omg lol at this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065330153&sid=1 |
| 21:42.40 | mikma | cairenn: gypsymod.net not working anymore? |
| 21:42.52 | Cairenn | mikma: dunno |
| 21:43.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: hm, ill update and check again |
| 21:43.14 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: lol, cute pic |
| 21:43.16 | mikma | sorry bout that cairenn, meant to ping cladhaire |
| 21:43.39 | Cairenn | why would cladhaire know any more than I? *scritches her head* |
| 21:44.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: he asked about it, for one :P |
| 21:44.22 | Cairenn | that'd be a good reason |
| 21:45.10 | mikma | cairenn: cause he asked: <2341> <@cladhaire> Anyone know where I could find a player frame mod like the old gypsy? |
| 21:45.18 | Cairenn | ah, well, here's your answer: http://gypsymod.the-mad.net/ |
| 21:46.29 | mikma | cladhaire: cairenn saved your day |
| 21:46.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet she does that a lot. |
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| 21:46.56 | Cairenn | well, not really, since I didn't link a replacement |
| 21:47.00 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5198 by the way |
| 21:47.02 | cladhaire | is the replacement |
| 21:47.04 | cladhaire | or will work |
| 21:47.31 | mikma | cairenn: now, which pastry am i thinking? |
| 21:47.39 | Cairenn | mikma: lol |
| 21:48.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: okay, i don't know if you pushed a new update since i checked this morning, or if I was just tired and hallucinating, but that seems to work now, in any case. :) that said, buttons still get dragged around a circular path even with a square minimap :) |
| 21:48.53 | Antiarc | Yup, working on that. |
| 21:49.02 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, cool. :) |
| 21:49.02 | mikma | cladhaire: planning on use that? =) |
| 21:49.22 | mikma | using.. |
| 21:58.07 | cladhaire | mikma: no, not in the least |
| 21:58.07 | cladhaire | my brother was asking for it |
| 21:58.07 | mikma | wow-family |
| 21:58.20 | kd3 | wth? |
| 21:58.28 | kd3 | fark: [Asinine] Man charged with felony after using "Yes on Proposition 8" yard sign to assault a man wearing a "No on Proposition 8" button |
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| 22:01.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 22:01.45 | zenzelezz | hai peppy |
| 22:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | Hi 2 U |
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| 22:02.08 | zenzelezz | is it can be hugs tiem now plees? |
| 22:02.31 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 22:02.38 | zenzelezz | victory! |
| 22:02.42 | mikma | ~whalehug zenzelezz |
| 22:02.42 | purl | ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug zenzelezz |
| 22:02.50 | zenzelezz | woot! |
| 22:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | Whales... hug? How very. |
| 22:03.12 | zenzelezz | whales need love like everyone else |
| 22:04.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, but hugs for whales? |
| 22:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | I couldn't even hug a portion of a flipper! |
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| 22:06.01 | Thunder_Child | baby whale? |
| 22:06.11 | Thunder_Child | smaller baby whale? |
| 22:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | Baby whales are still bigger than my car... but maybe I could hug a flipper on that. |
| 22:06.35 | Thunder_Child | lets hope you have a vw bug then |
| 22:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | No, Cavalier |
| 22:06.59 | zenzelezz | peppy has cavalry? How overpowered |
| 22:07.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. OP in the extreme |
| 22:07.52 | Dashkal | you know something somewhere went wrong when you catch yourself typing this lil ditty: ln -s libnss3.so.1d libnss3.so |
| 22:09.15 | zenzelezz | I'm slow tonight, enlighten me as to why that is wrong? |
| 22:10.36 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: If you mean me, I had to do that and two others like it to get flash working in ubuntu 8.10. The libraries were renamed for no apparent reason with no link made. I'm wondering if something changed or if it was an oversight |
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| 22:29.53 | Cidan | well |
| 22:29.56 | Cidan | that was unpleasent |
| 22:31.29 | Hirsute | Heh... yes, I'm obsessed, but this made me laugh. For those who followed the TrackerAlarm thread in UI/Macros: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Firetree&n=Rekirts |
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| 22:31.36 | Lopeppeppy | What's that, Cidan? |
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| 22:32.36 | Hirsute | Ah, nvm. Looks like the Armory is just borked. |
| 22:33.11 | Amarande | Hirsute: Armory(BETA) you mean :) |
| 22:33.21 | Shirik | hihi |
| 22:33.23 | Hirsute | Amarande: Yar. |
| 22:33.33 | Amarande | But yeah, it's beta, that's the main reason why it breaks every now and now |
| 22:33.48 | Amarande | Blizzard is not Google, after all. :) |
| 22:34.04 | Amarande | Now Google, on the other hand, can have GoogleFoo(BETA) that works better in the first month than most release software works after a year |
| 22:34.25 | Amarande | but this is because Google is secretly run by Wilhelm |
| 22:34.25 | Cidan | hi |
| 22:36.11 | Cidan | Shirik: What was it you wanted in threat meters? |
| 22:36.37 | Shirik | oh not in threat |
| 22:36.43 | Shirik | rather in unit windows |
| 22:36.46 | Cidan | oh |
| 22:36.51 | Cidan | unit windows won't be for a while |
| 22:36.55 | Cidan | maybe a week or two |
| 22:37.02 | Cidan | why, what's up? |
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| 22:41.31 | Cidan | wb? |
| 22:41.57 | Shirik | hihi |
| 22:42.04 | Shirik | nothing's up |
| 22:42.25 | Shirik | I just want to see certain features :) I'll gladly work on them as well. I'm going to work on healer assignments in the mean time though because that's something I've always wanted |
| 22:42.41 | Lopeppeppy | Healer assignments. *drool* |
| 22:43.00 | Shirik | is SVN down? |
| 22:43.12 | Shirik | Can't connect to host 'jinked.com': A connection attempt failed because the |
| 22:43.13 | Shirik | connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established |
| 22:43.13 | Shirik | connection failed because connected host has failed to respond. |
| 22:43.15 | zenzelezz | which SVN? |
| 22:43.19 | Cidan | mine |
| 22:43.20 | Cidan | and |
| 22:43.21 | Cidan | no? |
| 22:43.22 | Cidan | sec |
| 22:43.59 | Cidan | try, now |
| 22:44.00 | Cidan | =D |
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| 22:46.53 | Ho0ber | Is anyone here familiar with Blizzard's stated stance on cross-faction communication? I've seen conflicting reports, but nothing directly from blue or in any of their policies regarding it. |
| 22:47.13 | selckin | its not allowed |
| 22:47.13 | Kaso | You're not allowed |
| 22:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | Not allowed. |
| 22:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | It's in the ToS/EULA, spelled out directly. |
| 22:47.46 | Amarande | In practice, it happens anyway |
| 22:47.50 | selckin | kek |
| 22:47.52 | Ho0ber | I just read the EULA and didn't see it. Any chance you could point me to where? |
| 22:48.19 | Amarande | Remember, Blizzard wants your money. Banning people for things that aren't super major would not be in their best interest. :) |
| 22:48.20 | Kaso | TOU 5.B.10 Communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction (e.g. Horde communicating with Alliance or vice versa); |
| 22:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | Not like I have it in front of me. If you give me a link I can scan. It may be in either ToS or EULA. |
| 22:48.26 | Lopeppeppy | Kaso, you rock. |
| 22:48.28 | Kaso | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.shtml |
| 22:48.32 | Ho0ber | Ah, okay - in the TOU. |
| 22:48.33 | Ho0ber | Thanks. |
| 22:48.35 | Amarande | Hmm |
| 22:48.41 | Ho0ber | Hrm. |
| 22:48.49 | Amarande | Does this also mean that, even though the only actual direct *communication* were a few emotes |
| 22:49.00 | Ho0ber | Yeah... it is confusing. |
| 22:49.02 | Cidan | Communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction (e.g. Horde communicating with Alliance or vice versa); or |
| 22:49.06 | Amarande | I violated the ToU the time that I and a couple Alliance players helped each other kill Deathclasp in Silithus? |
| 22:49.10 | Ho0ber | So I guess that means communicating manually via morse code is considered against the TOU, according to the letter. |
| 22:49.26 | Cidan | Yes, don't try it. |
| 22:49.29 | Cidan | You're not the first |
| 22:49.35 | Cidan | You won't be the last |
| 22:49.36 | Ho0ber | And by manually, I mean no addons or UI mods, just by knowing morse ourselves. |
| 22:49.42 | Cidan | No your idea isn't original. |
| 22:49.45 | Cidan | Yes people have done it |
| 22:49.49 | Cidan | Yes people have been banned |
| 22:49.53 | Amarande | I believe it was like this ... |
| 22:50.06 | Amarande | I saw they were having trouble with deathclasp (and I'd get aggroed on if they wiped) so I jumped in and helped them finish it |
| 22:50.10 | Amarande | then they returned the favor |
| 22:50.17 | Amarande | then we emoted waves and thanks and went our ways |
| 22:50.22 | Amarande | *that's a bannable offense*?? |
| 22:50.26 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande... do not pick nits. Okay? |
| 22:50.29 | Ho0ber | Cidan - you're not being terribly helpful. I'm not expecting I'm the first to think of it, I'm asking if even without the aid of an addon if it is against the TOU. |
| 22:50.38 | Cidan | Yes, it is. |
| 22:50.40 | Cidan | =D |
| 22:50.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yes Hoober, it's against the ToU. |
| 22:50.45 | Ho0ber | Okay. |
| 22:50.53 | Ho0ber | Then what about emotes! :D |
| 22:51.12 | Amarande | Ho0ber: I'm pretty sure they'd have designed the game not to allow cross-faction emoting if that was bannable |
| 22:51.14 | Cidan | Emotes are not a direct form of communication as they are subject to a wide array of interpretations. |
| 22:51.29 | Ho0ber | Fair enough. :) |
| 22:51.38 | Amarande | They obfuscate actual speech for a reason. It's clear that a way to actually speak with the other faction is prohibited, whereas actual emotes are permitted |
| 22:51.42 | Cidan | Just, please, stop trying to nit pick, and move on. Let's talk about Shirik's sexy butt. |
| 22:52.14 | Amarande | Besides, there's an ACHIEVEMENT that requires you to perform an emote on an opposite faction :) |
| 22:52.21 | Ho0ber | Haha, yeah. |
| 22:52.48 | Amarande | In any case, I find the cross-faction communications policy to be annoying myself :) |
| 22:53.09 | Amarande | mainly because I've run into characters who were painfully obviously by their names fellow fans of book series I'm into |
| 22:53.15 | Amarande | and wasn't able to talk to them because ... they were alliance |
| 22:53.15 | Ho0ber | Ahhh |
| 22:53.17 | Kaso | Its there for a reason, and i think the game would be much worse without blocked cross-faction comms |
| 22:53.19 | Ho0ber | Right. |
| 22:53.29 | Amarande | Kaso: even on PvE servers? |
| 22:53.38 | Ho0ber | Kaso: Even if it was entirely optional? |
| 22:53.41 | Amarande | I'm not sure how it could be bad on a PvE server |
| 22:53.48 | Amarande | PvP server for sure, yeah |
| 22:53.57 | Lopeppeppy | There's PvP on PvE servers. |
| 22:54.19 | Amarande | heck come to think of it, the zone I last wished I could talk directly with alliance in was silithus |
| 22:54.25 | Amarande | which is a zone that has world pvp objectives |
| 22:54.44 | Amarande | ones that progress at a glacial pace, but yeah, it has world pvp objectives :) |
| 22:55.03 | Ho0ber | haha, yeah. |
| 22:55.20 | Ho0ber | I visited the south seas islands yesterday, and when I showed up there was a gnome there. |
| 22:55.37 | Shirik | Hey Cidan |
| 22:55.40 | Ho0ber | And apparently I broke the ToU by talking at him in morse code :D |
| 22:55.45 | Amarande | actually, there's one way I can think of to actually communicate clearly with the opposite faction in (well, one-hour delayed) real time, but I don't know if it actually works, and it'd probably be bad anyway :) |
| 22:55.48 | Shirik | remember that bug I was telling you about with those borders on my desktop? |
| 22:55.51 | Shirik | Yeah, it happens on my laptop too |
| 22:55.57 | Shirik | I have to be doing something different than you |
| 22:56.11 | Amarande | it just occurred to me that you could mail a letter to your alt, then sell the Plain Letter item on the neutral AH to the other faction person you wanted to talk to heh |
| 22:56.12 | Gnarfoz | is this a known Blizzard bug? |
| 22:56.23 | Cidan | Shirik: ... |
| 22:56.24 | Gnarfoz | when you use the character selection screen addon dialog |
| 22:56.24 | Ho0ber | haha, yep! |
| 22:56.30 | Cidan | Shirik: What's your resolution? |
| 22:56.36 | Shirik | 1024x768 windowed |
| 22:56.37 | Cidan | Because I swear, I can't reproduce it |
| 22:56.43 | Ho0ber | Amarande: I think that counts as indirect, too |
| 22:56.44 | Cidan | windowed fullscreen, or just windowed? |
| 22:56.47 | Shirik | can I send you my config.wtf? |
| 22:56.48 | Gnarfoz | and select a specific character, and click "disable all" - then OTHER characters are affected? |
| 22:56.51 | Shirik | just windowed |
| 22:56.57 | Amarande | I don't know if plain letters' text survives being sold on AH, either |
| 22:57.04 | Ho0ber | It used to |
| 22:57.08 | Cidan | oh oh |
| 22:57.11 | Cidan | do you scale your UI? |
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| 22:57.13 | Ho0ber | I used to sell them on the AH all the time. |
| 22:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz, I've seen that discussed recently on the forums. It was I believe labeled "working at intended, but we'll revisit the concept" |
| 22:57.31 | Shirik | no Cidan |
| 22:57.34 | Shirik | not on this computer at least |
| 22:57.55 | Shirik | graphics card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 (1280x800x32bit 60Hz) |
| 22:57.56 | Shirik | oops |
| 22:57.58 | Amarande | yeah, that'd definitely be indirect |
| 22:58.00 | Amarande | and risky, too |
| 22:58.02 | mikma | The day of wowinterface.com moderator! http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/attack_of_the_mods.jpg |
| 22:58.05 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: intended? what's the dropdown for, then? it's totally destructive, I'm lucky that I start wow through a shell script that creates a full backup of \WTF\ |
| 22:58.08 | Cidan | Boom |
| 22:58.09 | Cidan | got it |
| 22:58.09 | Shirik | btw, my WoW resolution does not match my desktop resolution |
| 22:58.13 | Cidan | it's happening now |
| 22:58.16 | Shirik | yay |
| 22:58.19 | Shirik | sorta |
| 22:58.21 | Amarande | imagine if someone buys the letter saying 'mmmm oh yeah yes I love you *kiss* mmmmm' who *isn't* the one you were trying to communicate with? :) |
| 22:58.21 | Cidan | dropped my UI scaling, and it happened |
| 22:58.29 | Ho0ber | hahaha |
| 22:58.44 | Ho0ber | I used to pass them out to lowbies with a little ascii map and a date and time |
| 22:58.46 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: select specific char, click disable all, boom all modules of addons (haven found the specific thing that must be in the .toc for it to disable it) on all characters disabled D: |
| 22:58.48 | Ho0ber | and see who showed up |
| 22:59.25 | Amarande | though, this *could* be why Plain Letters always show in Auctioneer as like, 1000g+ |
| 22:59.48 | Ho0ber | They're a common item for gold transferring |
| 22:59.58 | Ho0ber | because they don't have a posting cost |
| 23:00.07 | Ho0ber | if I remember correctly., |
| 23:01.55 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/cat_thong2.jpg <- not safe for anyone, and that means you shirik |
| 23:02.12 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz: Yup. |
| 23:02.27 | Hirsute | Amarande: That's likely because they're used for gold selling. |
| 23:02.37 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: too bad I don't have an US account to make a post about it :X |
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| 23:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | It's not just a US issue, Gnarfoz, why not post on your own forums? |
| 23:03.00 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: uhm, haha, nice try? |
| 23:03.17 | Gnarfoz | the only forum worth posting in is the US interface forum :\ |
| 23:03.21 | Shirik | you are very strange Mike-N-Go |
| 23:03.23 | Shirik | mikma* |
| 23:03.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: working as intended |
| 23:03.29 | mikma | hahaha |
| 23:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Disable _all_ means disable _all_ |
| 23:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | It's not an interface issue, so go to Suggestions. |
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| 23:03.46 | Gnarfoz | there's a reason the question "can somebody post this on US for me?" comes up more often than you'd think |
| 23:03.50 | mikma | it's nice how mike-n-go always takes the blame |
| 23:03.52 | Cidan | wahoo! |
| 23:03.59 | Cidan | VA is moving back to paper voting |
| 23:04.02 | Cidan | after this election, anyway |
| 23:04.05 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: uhm? it's quite a bug, nothing to suggest about it. this worked in 2.4 |
| 23:04.17 | Gnarfoz | nevermind that the EU forums aren't read, period. :P |
| 23:04.37 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: disable all previously obeyed the dropdown. AND it doesn't disable all. |
| 23:04.53 | Gnarfoz | it disables... most |
| 23:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | It's not considered a bug. I wish I could find the post. It is now working as intended, but they'll keep in mind that the feature isn't making happy. |
| 23:05.00 | ScytheBlade1 | What doesn't it disable? :P |
| 23:05.05 | Gnarfoz | uhm addons? |
| 23:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:05.10 | Gnarfoz | it just disables their modules |
| 23:05.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Modules? |
| 23:05.35 | Gnarfoz | PitBull_*, Prat_* |
| 23:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | So dependant addons |
| 23:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | _that_ sounds like a bug |
| 23:05.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I know they're technically addons, anyway |
| 23:05.53 | Gnarfoz | but as I described: |
| 23:06.12 | bleeter | I'm still amused that one can disable addons from the UI when you're DC'd from your account |
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| 23:06.21 | Gnarfoz | neither does it obey the dropdown anymore, nor does it really disable all for all characters |
| 23:07.11 | Gnarfoz | and if that's intended, than someone should grab a clue-by-4 and hit whoever thought reducing functionality was a good idea over the head with it :p |
| 23:07.24 | bleeter | didn't it 'used' to behave like that way back when it was bugged to hell and back? |
| 23:07.42 | Gnarfoz | I barely touch that functionality as it is, because it used to be bugged |
| 23:08.05 | bleeter | wonder if it's related in some esoteric way to modules being red coloured |
| 23:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps, bleeter |
| 23:08.14 | bleeter | tried the PTR/Beta? |
| 23:08.21 | Gnarfoz | funnily |
| 23:08.25 | Gnarfoz | it leaves one pitbull module enabled |
| 23:08.31 | Gnarfoz | I should check what's different about that one |
| 23:08.48 | bleeter | I still think the AddOns window should close when you get kicked from the server. |
| 23:09.13 | bleeter | whether that's a bug or an RFE, no idea |
| 23:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | huh @ new forums |
| 23:09.27 | Arrowmaster | worst idea ever |
| 23:09.27 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: no shit, the class foo? |
| 23:09.58 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: as I said to Cairenn, 'why not just reduce the addon categories to 'simple', 'midrange' and 'complex' that way everyone can benefit from the users of similar addons |
| 23:10.42 | Gnarfoz | also |
| 23:10.45 | bleeter | I mean, I get where the CM team are coming from, but removing the class specific foo, can only hinder newbies in the long run |
| 23:10.51 | Gnarfoz | since when does *cancel* mean CLOSE THIS WINDOW AND SAVE |
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| 23:11.03 | Gnarfoz | *unpacks backup, AGAIN* |
| 23:11.05 | bleeter | or, alternatively, at least EJ should get more traffic ;) |
| 23:11.23 | Gnarfoz | someone at blizz seriously didn't have enough coffee the day they touched this UI |
| 23:11.45 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: beats me how it got past unit testing ;) |
| 23:11.57 | cbreak | unit testing? bah... |
| 23:12.06 | bleeter | lol fair enough :) |
| 23:12.06 | cbreak | writing good tests is hard |
| 23:12.19 | Gnarfoz | it's PitBull_RangeCheck that stayed enabled. + quite some other totally unrelated addons |
| 23:12.36 | Gnarfoz | not just 2 or 3, rather "a bunch" than "a handful" |
| 23:12.50 | mikma | ... what new forums? |
| 23:13.22 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: interesting. if you have some addons set to selectively load for specific chars, then 'disable all' on a specific toon, all addons are disabled but the selective ones aren't |
| 23:14.13 | bleeter | anyways, with 3.0.3 pretty close, we should be 'testing' on that rather than current live, imo |
| 23:14.18 | Gnarfoz | probably, yes |
| 23:14.33 | bleeter | mikma: Blizz are removing class specific forums, replacing them with 3 only. Tanking, Healing and Damage. |
| 23:14.38 | Gnarfoz | I was just annoyed to all hell because my UI kept dissolving |
| 23:14.39 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:14.44 | Gnarfoz | for no apparent reason |
| 23:14.59 | mikma | bleeter: lolzies, sounds bizarre |
| 23:15.16 | bleeter | bizarre wasn't the word that popped into my head when I read the news ;) |
| 23:15.52 | mikma | so basicly, paladins will rule in all sections, and druids. |
| 23:15.57 | bleeter | I'm trying to work out where a druid or pally or priest, for that matter, would go to learn about everything their class can do |
| 23:16.03 | mikma | but mostly "wah wah" paladins |
| 23:16.26 | mikma | "boost us, boost us, nerf them, nerf them" |
| 23:16.28 | bleeter | like... where would the pally FAQ/Talent guide go? |
| 23:16.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:16.59 | cbreak | oh fun |
| 23:17.05 | cbreak | that's what I did with my guilds forum too |
| 23:17.06 | Amarande | is 3.0.3 introducing changes that will break existing addons like 2.4.1 did? |
| 23:17.31 | mikma | yes!!!11 |
| 23:17.31 | Amarande | My guild on Stormrage has the forums set up for 'fighter classes', 'caster classes', and 'hybrid classes' |
| 23:17.44 | malreth|away | Amarande: addons are going away in 3.0.3 |
| 23:17.45 | mikma | of course every update will break stuff!! |
| 23:17.55 | mikma | and that too |
| 23:17.57 | bleeter | as well as eat babies |
| 23:18.00 | mikma | no addons allowed |
| 23:18.13 | malreth | and we'll all become socialists |
| 23:18.14 | Amarande | Fighters are hunters, warriors and rogues, casters are warlocks, mages, and priests, and hybrids are druids, paladins, and shamans |
| 23:18.18 | bleeter | it'll also send me all your stuff |
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| 23:19.31 | Amarande | mikma: some updates break things much more than expected, though |
| 23:19.36 | Gnarfoz | wut |
| 23:19.37 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 23:19.47 | Gnarfoz | where the hell does wow store the global addon enabled/disabled preferences? |
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| 23:20.00 | mikma | amarande: had a look at the changes? |
| 23:20.04 | Amarande | for instance, 2.4.1 made what were only minor changes to the game, but also changed the combat log slightly, which caused every addon that used the combat log to break |
| 23:20.30 | Amarande | however, it's generally not very expected for addons to break during a tertiary version change |
| 23:20.55 | Amarande | secondary, normally some, yes. primary, definitely. but usually a tertiary version patch isn't expected to break half your UI like 2.4.1 did |
| 23:20.56 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: any idea on that? where does wow store the global addon enabled/disabled prefs? |
| 23:24.46 | Gnarfoz | kann doch nicht wahr sein |
| 23:24.47 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 23:24.53 | Gnarfoz | what, lol totally wrong window |
| 23:25.15 | Mike-N-Go | Gnarfoz: Did you search your WTF folder? |
| 23:25.26 | mikma | SCHEISSE |
| 23:25.47 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: looking at my WTF, it'd appear nowhere. Maybe it's meant to be computed from char selections. |
| 23:25.55 | Mike-N-Go | I have a feeling that it has something to do with a file that has the addon names and a value after it. |
| 23:26.15 | Gnarfoz | Mike-N-Go: obviously, yes :\ there's AddOns.txt's in each character's folder, but even in backups from 3 months ago, there's addons "disabled" in there that were 100% enabled - because they were globally enabled |
| 23:26.17 | Mike-N-Go | As I remember seeing a file with that once in the WTF. |
| 23:26.59 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: can't be, the char ones say 'disabled' for addons that are enabled :O |
| 23:27.03 | Amarande | I'm planning to more or less completely redo my UI soon anyway |
| 23:27.11 | Amarande | except that I'm definitely keeping questguru and bartender |
| 23:27.12 | bleeter | plzplz unkie fizzwidget plz plz adspace and reagent cost soon me love u long time |
| 23:27.36 | Gnarfoz | Gazmik is here? |
| 23:27.41 | bleeter | no idea |
| 23:27.46 | Gnarfoz | pff :p |
| 23:27.50 | bleeter | just on the offchance he trolls |
| 23:27.51 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen Gazmik |
| 23:27.54 | purl | gazmik <n=gazmik@74.95.38.206> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 508d 2h 58m 55s ago, saying: 'ah, good to know the problem's not on my end. been futzing with cookie settings to no avail.'. |
| 23:28.07 | Gnarfoz | ~seen fizzwidget |
| 23:28.07 | purl | i haven't seen 'fizzwidget', Gnarfoz |
| 23:28.10 | Gnarfoz | meh |
| 23:28.11 | Mike-N-Go | Yup, he was 'here' somewhere. |
| 23:28.12 | Gnarfoz | worth a try |
| 23:28.36 | Mike-N-Go | ~fizzwidet |
| 23:28.46 | Mike-N-Go | ~fizzwidget |
| 23:30.27 | bleeter | s/trolls/lurks/ |
| 23:43.19 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: manually disabling all addons on a selected character also triggers the behaviour... D: |
| 23:45.07 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:45.15 | Amarande | am I correct in assuming that weighted jackolanterns last forever? |
| 23:45.35 | Amarande | and do not bind ... wow, you can get a surprise halloween achievement whenever then :) |
| 23:46.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 23:51.05 | Amarande | also, did they boost the difficulty of putting out the fires as halloween approaches? |
| 23:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | Accuracy counts, Amarande, sad but true. |
| 23:52.06 | Amarande | hmm, I was as accurate as always |
| 23:52.14 | Amarande | however, it used to be that it only took like, three people to do it around silvermoon |
| 23:52.23 | Amarande | now it looks like you'd need at least seven or eight |
| 23:53.37 | Shirik | Cidan: any progress on that, are you looking at it? |
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| 23:54.59 | Amarande | wonder if they made it harder because apparently they added the squashling pets to the pumpkin |
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