| 00:00.16 | Amarande | Dewin: if you want to crash your PC, there are easier ways to do it than learning device driver coding |
| 00:00.29 | Shirik | Dewin: Call KeBugCheckEx() |
| 00:00.34 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: good to see you got home safe |
| 00:00.38 | Shirik | easiest way to get a bluescreen |
| 00:00.52 | Dewin | Amarande: I have one of the MS natural keyboards. Some of the buttons are not assignable with MS's software at all, or not assignable to the functions I'd like them to be |
| 00:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | I did, Cairenn, just as the rain was changing to sleet. How was your drive? |
| 00:01.02 | Dewin | I want an alternate 'custom' keyboard driver for it :) |
| 00:01.08 | Shirik | I bet Cairenn drives a hummer |
| 00:01.19 | Amarande | Dewin: why did you buy a MS natural keyboard :| |
| 00:01.33 | Dewin | Because the one I replaced had decent software ;) |
| 00:01.37 | Amarande | today it'll be an MS natural keyboard |
| 00:01.43 | Amarande | tomorrow it will be something much, much worse |
| 00:01.48 | Amarande | you could even end up buying .. |
| 00:01.50 | Amarande | an N-Gage. |
| 00:02.02 | Dewin | I've used natural keyboards since the *original* ones. |
| 00:02.06 | Dewin | They're not bad keyboards. |
| 00:02.14 | Lunessa | The MS Natural Keyboard is hands-down one of the two best options for keyboard users with RSI issues. |
| 00:02.15 | Cairenn | but I'm very very glad I got to the store and back when I did, it has gotten nasty damn fast out there |
| 00:02.36 | Dewin | Lunessa: What's the other option? |
| 00:02.42 | Amarande | After years of trying to find a keyboard I actually really liked and that's actually durable |
| 00:02.43 | Lunessa | Kenisis. |
| 00:02.48 | Dewin | The only reason it's predecessor died is because I was thoroughly cleaning it and I was a little too hasty to reassemble it |
| 00:02.48 | Amarande | I ended up settling on an ... IBM Model M |
| 00:03.03 | Dewin | Amarande: I used to have like 3 northgate keyboards. |
| 00:03.06 | Amarande | I don't even have gamer's suicide buttons on my keyboard! |
| 00:03.09 | Lunessa | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ |
| 00:03.11 | Dewin | which is basically the same thing |
| 00:03.47 | Dewin | that being said, I miss my old mainframe keyboard that went up to F20 and had a compose key. |
| 00:04.31 | Amarande | do windows keys actually serve any earth shakingly -useful- purpose? |
| 00:04.36 | Lunessa | If I were a touch-typist, I'd use the Contoured model from Kinesis. |
| 00:04.40 | Amarande | or are they just there for you to die by hitting them by accident in games |
| 00:04.55 | Lunessa | They're amazingly useful in business applications. |
| 00:04.57 | Dewin | Lunessa: I'm not. |
| 00:05.00 | Dashkal | Amarande: extra shortcuts. I use it as a dead key for special characters in linux |
| 00:05.03 | Dewin | errr |
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| 00:05.24 | Dewin | I don't look at the keyboard, ever, and I type pretty fast. But I don't type "properly" |
| 00:05.45 | Lunessa | Dewin, me either. 50wpm with 4 fingers. |
| 00:05.51 | Dashkal | As for dying, get a g15. lovely little switch that disables the thing |
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| 00:06.03 | Dewin | g15 is on my wishlist too |
| 00:06.12 | Dewin | especially considering I'm out of one-button macros in wow ;) |
| 00:06.43 | Dewin | wow, that feels odd -- I /finally/ fully uninstalled FFXI |
| 00:07.04 | Dewin | and 16 GB of raw fraps video |
| 00:07.31 | Lunessa | Oh sweet jesus... they brought back my favorite trackball. |
| 00:07.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not happy with the sleet that's about to turn into freezing rain and ice, let me tell you. |
| 00:08.12 | Dewin | I've been tempted to try a trackball |
| 00:08.20 | Shirik | Snow day, Lopeppeppy? |
| 00:08.33 | Amarande | Dewin: you played FFXI? |
| 00:08.53 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: where's that? |
| 00:09.01 | Lopeppeppy | I have to go to work tomorrow, but I will stay home until the roads are safe at least. Likely 9:30 or 10. |
| 00:09.05 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, north of Albany NY |
| 00:09.11 | Lunessa | Dewin: they're full of win. |
| 00:09.15 | Amarande | ah, not all -that- far from me |
| 00:09.20 | Amarande | I'm in western Connecticut, near Danbury |
| 00:09.32 | Amarande | we're supposed to get snow |
| 00:09.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, close, but you're south enough not to share much weather with me. I get a lot of ice. Lots of ice. |
| 00:09.39 | Amarande | and I work at 9 tomorrow morning |
| 00:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | Between the Berks and the 'dacks, I get hammered a lot. |
| 00:10.03 | Dewin | Amarande: "Played" is an understatement. I wrote FFXI addons |
| 00:10.10 | Dewin | Just before I quit I became part of the window dev team |
| 00:10.14 | Dewin | windower* |
| 00:10.27 | Amarande | Dewin: I thought Square didn't allow any sort of 3rd party addons for FFXI |
| 00:10.39 | Amarande | hell, they don't even let you alt-tab from FFXI without autoquitting |
| 00:10.47 | Amarande | unless they changed that since I tried it |
| 00:10.53 | Dewin | Amarande: They support windowed mode now |
| 00:10.57 | Dewin | but... http://windower.net/ still does it better |
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| 00:11.04 | Dewin | that's what I meant by addons/windower dev team |
| 00:11.21 | Dewin | We got to write addons by actually poking around at the asm and in memory and figuring out what stuff did. |
| 00:11.31 | Amarande | btw, is it as impossible to get started in FFXI these days as I've read it is? |
| 00:11.56 | Dewin | Eh, they've pushed some really weird patches lately, so probably not too bad |
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| 00:12.13 | Dewin | Like... you can adjust your level down |
| 00:12.18 | Dewin | and level with someone who's really that level |
| 00:12.25 | Dewin | All of your gear scales to fit your new level |
| 00:12.27 | |pez| | I tried FFXI, but used a shitload of time to get to lvl... 10. |
| 00:12.32 | Amarande | Dewin: the main things I know of about it are ... |
| 00:12.47 | Amarande | 1) that you really can't just go roll on a server with your friends without special intervention |
| 00:12.52 | Dewin | Changed, IIRC. |
| 00:12.57 | Amarande | (far as I know, they never did away with the fail that was world pass, did they?) |
| 00:13.12 | Dewin | You can still give special world passes that give benefits to your friend, but they're not longer required. |
| 00:13.40 | Amarande | 2) That you can't get past 15-20 or so without having to group EVERYWHERE (basically, more or less, that all FFXI mobs past that are what we'd call Elite in WoW) |
| 00:13.48 | Dewin | yup |
| 00:13.58 | Dewin | Some of the classes can now, but it still sucks ;) |
| 00:14.14 | |pez| | I think that was why I didn't continue playing, it got too hard. |
| 00:14.15 | Amarande | 3) That there is a horrendously onerous demand for twinking |
| 00:14.17 | Dashkal | yay for catered to hardcore only... |
| 00:14.31 | |pez| | and random people passing by couldn't help me kick ass on something that was kicking my ass. |
| 00:14.40 | Amarande | Basically, instead of twinking at 70 and maybe the nines like in WoW, you're apparently expected to have a bottomless pit of gil so you can twink at -every level- in FFXI |
| 00:14.42 | Dewin | but... yes, me writing FFXI addons was technically against the TOS ... well, I wrote a skillchain calculator that wasn't (it ran completely independantly from the game, so you could presumably run it on a laptop), but I wrote something that was basically mobinfo/titan for FFXI. |
| 00:15.06 | Dewin | Amarande: Don't forget the near absolute lack of decent quest rewards |
| 00:15.19 | Amarande | Dewin: are they really that fascist about twinking? |
| 00:15.26 | Amarande | like, you can't get a group unless you have that level's equivalent of T6? :) |
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| 00:15.34 | Dewin | ehh |
| 00:15.37 | Dewin | it's not so bad low level |
| 00:15.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'll just make a third batch tomorrow, Lunessa. It was a new recipe, and my girlfriend didn't tell me that they burned so easily. Ah well. |
| 00:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | Tester ones for me, I guess. |
| 00:16.00 | Lunessa | Share with the moose. |
| 00:16.12 | Amarande | Dewin: do you think Absolute Virtue will ever be defeated legitimately? |
| 00:16.19 | Dewin | Amarande: ... lol |
| 00:16.22 | Amarande | or is it not possible? |
| 00:16.37 | Dewin | GMs posted a video of it being done with 'regular' toons |
| 00:16.44 | Dewin | But last I heard, players have *still* not figured it out |
| 00:16.50 | Amarande | or rather, on the kind of level that makes pre-nerf M'uru seem wimpy :) |
| 00:17.35 | Dewin | I don't think AV wll be downed until they raise the cap, which is in itself unlikely. |
| 00:17.41 | Dashkal | suddenly I remember talk about evercrack actually being completed and the group that did it promtply being banned for life |
| 00:18.02 | Dewin | considering how many core job abilities are at level 38 to stop you from getting them subjobbed. |
| 00:18.36 | Dewin | Black Mage with convert would be overpowered, for instance |
| 00:18.39 | ZorbaTHut | I presume it's just a matter of figuring out whatever trick it is that the GMs were using |
| 00:18.52 | Dashkal | ZorbaTHut: dev commands! |
| 00:19.12 | Dewin | The video was posted using regular (well, well-equipped) lv75 toons |
| 00:19.15 | Dewin | But ... yeah |
| 00:19.20 | ZorbaTHut | AV is FFXI's Kobayashi Maru |
| 00:19.33 | ZorbaTHut | if that sentence makes any sense to you, you're a nerd. |
| 00:19.38 | Dewin | more like thermonuclear war: the only winning move is not to play. |
| 00:19.55 | Dewin | and it does make sense to me, but I'm a geek not a nerd. |
| 00:20.14 | Dashkal | Funny, what attracted me to wow was the fact that the level cap was actually reachable in a reasonable timeframe |
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| 00:20.42 | Dewin | besides, AV is technically beatable, it just takes your entire lv70+ server population lol. |
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| 00:21.12 | Dewin | You know... for like the first month after I came back to WoW, I had to tell myself that AV was Alterac Valley not Absolute Virtue. |
| 00:21.58 | |pez| | So I was also thinking it was kinda weird. :P |
| 00:22.29 | mikma | maybe the pvp might be fun again |
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| 00:22.47 | mikma | getting threeshotted from retpal wasnt fun |
| 00:23.16 | Amarande | Dewin: I thought AV was only fightable with an 18 man raid |
| 00:23.28 | Amarande | at least the way I understand the tagging system in FFXI to work |
| 00:23.32 | Dewin | Amarande: I think they killed him with call for help |
| 00:23.39 | Dewin | that or had a lot of outside healing. |
| 00:23.50 | Dewin | The GM group was an 18 man alliance yes |
| 00:24.12 | Amarande | and who's Kobayashi Maru? |
| 00:24.23 | Amarande | hmm, maybe AV is more comparable to ... Kruul from the pre-BC event? |
| 00:24.25 | Dewin | Pez: Imagine only your raid could loot mobs you tagged, but you can bring as many extra people to help heal/buff into the instance and swap them in as people die. Then, imagine everybody wants Illidan's loot, but instead of being instanced, he spawns every 21-24 hours in a place that 200+ people sit and stare with their fingers on their fastest-casting spell. That describes FFXI endgame, for the most part. |
| 00:24.28 | malreth | ~wiki Kobayashi Maru |
| 00:25.18 | Amarande | In any case, I'm sure AV can be more reliably defeated than, say, Hitoshura |
| 00:25.30 | Amarande | who probably -still- retains the title for hardest boss in an RPG |
| 00:25.35 | Lunessa | Dewin: And EverQuest, UO, DAoC, etc. |
| 00:25.56 | Amarande | of course, Hitoshura is also from a single-player RPG, which is why Hito actually gets beaten more often in practice. |
| 00:26.28 | Dewin | apples and oranges. Hitoshura would probably be easy to 18-man (knowing nothing about Hitoshura or the RPG he comes from) |
| 00:26.53 | Amarande | Dewin: Hitoshura was the hero from Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, and made a secret boss appearance in Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga (part 1) |
| 00:27.32 | Amarande | He came with 2 minions, out of a total of 6 that he'd rotate through in a continuous cycle as you killed them |
| 00:27.57 | Amarande | also in DDS, the battle system is turn based and each party takes all their turns for the round en bloc rather than intertwined like most turn based RPGs |
| 00:28.51 | Amarande | Party was 3 members, a complete wipe being required for Game Over. |
| 00:28.56 | Amarande | Now here's where the fun starts: |
| 00:28.59 | Dashkal | How does time work? People are talking about 2hr abilities and 18 hour fights and such |
| 00:29.01 | Lopeppeppy | Last batch in, almost done for the night... |
| 00:29.15 | Dewin | Dashkal: FFXI is much, much slower pased than WoW. |
| 00:29.19 | Amarande | Hito and all of his minions use nasty strong attacks, a couple of the minions can do instant death |
| 00:29.39 | Dashkal | 18 hours is about my maximum awake time... |
| 00:29.54 | Dashkal | So do you just press a button than afk for 5 mins? |
| 00:30.15 | Amarande | If you use any kind of buffing spell, once the turn passes to the enemy party, one of the minions will dispel it. The same if you use any kind of debuff on the enemy. |
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| 00:30.36 | Dewin | Let's just say: main threat ability is on a 30 second timer, no such thing as instants (though Stun/Dia/etc were pretty short casting times), etc. |
| 00:30.44 | Amarande | If you ever, EVER use any kind of thing to make yourself immune to stuff, then Hitoshura will use Gaia Rage. Hito will also use Gaia Rage on his first turn after summoning either of two particular minions. |
| 00:31.05 | Amarande | Gaia Rage does about 18k damage to the entire party. Max HP in Digital Devil Saga is 999. :) |
| 00:31.54 | Dashkal | I just wanted to confirm that those times were realtime... wow |
| 00:31.56 | Dewin | ouch. |
| 00:32.02 | Lunessa | ... strategies/boss discussions for games I will never play... sucking my will to live... |
| 00:32.15 | Amarande | The first time you get Hito down below half HP (he has 18k), he heals to full, and if any one of his minions is alive for a total of twenty-nine turns (outside of dispelling buffs/debuffs), then said minion will sacrifice itself to heal Hito and the other minion to full. |
| 00:32.29 | Dashkal | I think I'll file that under "games that actively do not WANT customers" |
| 00:32.42 | Amarande | Dashkal: Digital Devil Saga or FFXI? |
| 00:32.46 | Dashkal | FFXI |
| 00:33.01 | Lunessa | Oreos are a good start. |
| 00:33.22 | Dashkal | DDS sounds hard but playable. FFXI looks designed to suck |
| 00:33.51 | mikma | paladin foruös are fun |
| 00:34.25 | Dashkal | But then *shrugs* my love of Square started falling when they turned to 3d. Chrono Cross was about the only one I played. |
| 00:34.41 | Amarande | Yeah, DDS is designed to be more challenging than most turn-based console RPGs |
| 00:34.43 | Dewin | Dashkal: Single player RPGs made by console developers who are stuck with so-called "PS2 Limitations" do not port well to PC MMORPGs :) |
| 00:34.50 | Amarande | the same is the case of the Megami Tensei series in general, really |
| 00:35.00 | Dashkal | Dewin: no doubt |
| 00:35.14 | Dashkal | That said, I still hold a flicker of hope that Chrono Break will actually be made |
| 00:35.30 | Amarande | Hitoshura is far harder than anything else in the game for the most part though |
| 00:35.50 | Amarande | (although getting ambushed by a Samael is a really good way to see your party go south quickly) |
| 00:36.49 | Amarande | One of the more awesome things about MegaTen though is that things like offensive status effects are actually useful in the general case |
| 00:36.49 | Dewin | So who's going to a WOTLK midnight launch? |
| 00:37.12 | Amarande | Not me, I have it preordered to arrive the 18th or so |
| 00:37.20 | Dashkal | Wish I could. The store I preordered from is inside a mall |
| 00:37.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait a second - you can't use the wand charges on yourself? |
| 00:37.32 | Dewin | Dashkal: I've seen midnight launches at mall stores before |
| 00:37.35 | Amarande | and then I have all of a couple days before the new NWN2 expansion so who knows how much wotlk I'll play the first few weeks or so |
| 00:37.36 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: hallows end ones? nope |
| 00:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | asdf |
| 00:37.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Retarded |
| 00:37.44 | Dashkal | Dewin: The mall itself refuses to let them |
| 00:37.49 | Dewin | oh, ouch. Ours allowed it :) |
| 00:37.59 | Dashkal | That's why you keep seeing WTT Ninja for Pirate in trade |
| 00:38.18 | bleeter | NEERRRDDD RRRRRAAAAGGGEEEE |
| 00:38.23 | Dashkal | I find it odd because the theaters often have midnight showings, and the theater is INSIDE the mall, no ground access |
| 00:38.23 | Dewin | I'm only going because it sounds like a fun way to meet other wowaholics in... that scary place known as Real Life |
| 00:38.42 | Dewin | the threater doesn't have its own entrance with a gate between it and the mall? |
| 00:38.43 | Amarande | I've met tons of wowaholics in RL |
| 00:38.44 | Amarande | the problem is |
| 00:38.50 | Dashkal | *shrugs* I can still show up and mall opening the next day so it doesn't really matter |
| 00:38.53 | Amarande | we're scattered across so many servers instead of all playing together :| |
| 00:38.54 | Xuerian | Amarande: WANTING to know them |
| 00:39.05 | Dashkal | I have to work Thursday anyway. Friday I can take off. Yay moving stats around :p |
| 00:39.13 | Amarande | and a lot of my good friends who play WoW are from EU |
| 00:39.18 | Xuerian | Amarande: Ahh the great wow paradox. Those close together geographically, are remote in the game, and vice versa |
| 00:39.32 | Amarande | which means I CAN'T go play with them |
| 00:39.45 | Amarande | unless I want to spend another $120 or so to buy the game again |
| 00:40.19 | Dewin | I've met a few people on my FFXI server, nobody from my wow server though |
| 00:40.43 | Dewin | FFXI has less servers though, so your chances are theoretically better. |
| 00:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | All I have is Ghost and Pirate left to get.. |
| 00:40.57 | Dashkal | I ran into a few from Failstrom. They've pretty much all drifted away since, though |
| 00:41.06 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: I'd give you ghost, but, well, servers :p |
| 00:41.11 | Amarande | Failstrom? |
| 00:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Servers ftl |
| 00:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I have three skeletons and like 892374 randoms :P |
| 00:41.25 | Lunessa | I don't need to go out of my way to meet wow junkies IRL - half my department plays. |
| 00:41.26 | Amarande | Heh, is there an immutable principle of WoW that either |
| 00:41.29 | Dashkal | Amarande: Maelstrom-US |
| 00:41.36 | Amarande | A) One's own server is win and awesome and all others are fail, or |
| 00:41.47 | Amarande | B) One's own server is infinitely more fail than almost any other could possibly be imagined to be? |
| 00:41.49 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: Just hawk the skele in trade. Should get bites before too long |
| 00:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Hawk? |
| 00:42.07 | Shirik | Antiarc: ping |
| 00:42.23 | Dashkal | Incorrect spelling? I only hear that word used to mean advertise verbally |
| 00:42.58 | Amarande | *Are* there any servers that are universally win and awesome? |
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| 00:43.04 | Dashkal | Amarande: I don't actually have an opinion. I just find the title amusing. The only real fail with it is the alliance is pretty terrible. Cannot work together, always behind horde in PvE, etc. |
| 00:43.19 | NightHawkTheSane | stop pinging me |
| 00:43.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ! |
| 00:43.25 | Amarande | I find Quel'dorei is actually pretty fun most of the time |
| 00:43.26 | Lunessa | I'm out of here. See you all tomorrow. |
| 00:43.44 | Dashkal | So what did you think of the Hawk quest in Howling Fjord? |
| 00:43.50 | Amarande | except for my woes finding a suitable raid group, and the fact that there is little interest for 5-man dungeons |
| 00:43.57 | Amarande | however, 5-man I understand is pretty much dead everywhere now |
| 00:44.06 | Lopeppeppy | Unless it's for Achievements. |
| 00:44.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Dashkal |
| 00:44.07 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on Dashkal's head |
| 00:44.18 | Dashkal | I abjectly refuse to pug. So I don't know how good or bad maelstrom is for that |
| 00:44.34 | Dashkal | I find the rewards of a successful pug don't stand up to the pain of bad ones |
| 00:44.35 | Amarande | would you say WotLK is designed to keep 5-man enduringly popular? |
| 00:44.39 | Dashkal | Ever have respawns in the deadmines? |
| 00:44.59 | Antiarc | Shirik: Ponnnnnnnng |
| 00:45.01 | Amarande | or is it likely to go dead there too as soon as a server is geared enough for naxx? |
| 00:45.11 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal, only of the patrols, not the regular mobs |
| 00:45.29 | Dashkal | Amarande: I'm gonna have to say it's likely that pug 5mans will die even faster what with everything being 10man now |
| 00:45.40 | Amarande | Dashkal: I've only been to deadmines once, and that was with a 70 |
| 00:45.43 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: oh no, I mean full-on respawning of everything except the bosses |
| 00:45.59 | Dashkal | Takes an hour and a half |
| 00:46.16 | Amarande | I almost died in SM Cath once on a 70 though :| |
| 00:46.36 | Dashkal | That was about the point where I swore off pugging. I'd rather not have the gear if that's what I have to go through to get it |
| 00:47.08 | Dashkal | Amarande: much as I predict 5 mans to fail, there _are_ some things that will dramatically help the matter. The championing system, for example. |
| 00:47.11 | Amarande | For me, I think I find myself looking for raid groups because, primarily, you pretty much need to at a point in order to keep finding something interesting to do |
| 00:47.20 | Amarande | there's only so long that you can keep doing dailies for before they get boring |
| 00:47.38 | Dashkal | When its a reputation piece you need, it doesn't matter which dungeon you run |
| 00:47.38 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 00:48.03 | Dashkal | Oh agreed on that one. After epic flying I pretty much stopped caring. Did SSO until ex and quit that too |
| 00:48.09 | Amarande | Yeah, some BC factions just plain SUCKED. |
| 00:48.12 | Amarande | like Thrallmar |
| 00:48.15 | Amarande | yay, shattered halls! |
| 00:48.25 | Dashkal | I think my honor hold is still in honored... |
| 00:48.32 | Elessdy | ah, good old shattered halls... |
| 00:48.33 | AnduinLothar | i dunno i liked doing shattered halls aoe runs |
| 00:48.38 | Dashkal | I have never completed shattered halls, I have never completed sethekk halls. ever |
| 00:48.39 | Amarande | yay, I can keep doing shattered halls for total bullshit drops that never provide what I need! |
| 00:48.49 | AnduinLothar | but then if you're not aoe you're screwed |
| 00:48.59 | Amarande | because, well, the one item I actually need from SH on my warlock never drops |
| 00:49.02 | Corrodias | i remember tanking in WoW as some sort of exercise in masochism |
| 00:49.12 | Amarande | Corrodias: depends on your class |
| 00:49.14 | Corrodias | i was the sub, i guess |
| 00:49.15 | Amarande | I find it pretty fun on a pally |
| 00:49.37 | Dashkal | totally depends on class. I enjoy it on druid. Warriors suck (opinion, I just hate the playstyle) |
| 00:49.39 | Amarande | although I get this feeling pallies all have a little scarlet mote in their left eye that's too small to render |
| 00:49.45 | Corrodias | actually, it was easier for me than the other roles were. far, far more than healing. |
| 00:50.03 | |Jelly| | Same Amarande. Super fun on pally :) |
| 00:50.20 | Corrodias | (tanking as a druid i mean... easy, but still not fun) |
| 00:50.23 | Amarande | I tried to level a prot warrior once |
| 00:50.25 | Dashkal | DKs are interesting, but I didn't get enough practice. By the time I got to 80 everybody was doing heroics only |
| 00:50.28 | Amarande | I got to level ... 14 or so and then I got bored |
| 00:51.04 | Amarande | Yeah, that's the main issue I have with WoW |
| 00:51.16 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.17 | Amarande | if you aren't fast enough "out of the gate" when it comes to particular content |
| 00:51.31 | Amarande | you find it to be an exercise in incredible irritation to get a good group for it |
| 00:51.38 | Corrodias | hell yeah |
| 00:51.40 | NeoTron | unless you have a good guild |
| 00:51.50 | NeoTron | where everyone in the guild makes for a good group |
| 00:51.56 | Dashkal | *nods* |
| 00:51.58 | Corrodias | when i went through BC with my druid, everything was very busy and groups were plentiful |
| 00:52.05 | Amarande | Neo: which is difficult to do unless you're already progressed enough compared to the server |
| 00:52.06 | Dashkal | My guild is pretty good. I won't have problems tanking with them |
| 00:52.13 | Antiarc | Man |
| 00:52.21 | Antiarc | Sprint + glyph + broom mount is the best thing about 3.0 |
| 00:52.25 | Corrodias | next time through on my hunter, i found it was a damn good thing he could solo almost every group quest... didn't get as many dungeon runs as i wanted |
| 00:52.28 | NeoTron | Amarande: which, in a few weeks, is being reset |
| 00:52.36 | Amarande | though I always have this impression that 99% of the players who are any good are the ones who got the earliest start on things |
| 00:52.41 | Dashkal | Well, there are a couple players I won't want with me. One psycho who chain pulls continiously |
| 00:52.47 | Amarande | and the ones who start later are mostly ones who will never be anything but scrubs :| |
| 00:52.52 | Dashkal | and I do mean continuously. About the only way to stop him is to let him die |
| 00:53.04 | Corrodias | and do people still play with him, Dashkal? |
| 00:53.14 | Dashkal | Don't pull. No. STOP. Don't heal him, let him die |
| 00:53.19 | Dashkal | ok now, this is how we do this next part... |
| 00:53.21 | Dashkal | ok, rez him |
| 00:53.44 | zlotmaste | hi guys :) is it right charactor abilities is called a word as "stack"? |
| 00:53.45 | Dashkal | Corrodias: one of our best geared tanks, actually. Just a big trigger happy |
| 00:53.52 | Dashkal | bit* |
| 00:54.28 | Dashkal | He's really good about knowing what _he's_ supposed to be doing. Not so good about waiting for the rest of the raid to catch up |
| 00:54.38 | Amarande | NeoTron: I take it that playing Storm of Zehir when it comes out is a very good way to kill my chances at WotLK progression, though :| |
| 00:54.42 | |Jelly| | Anyone know Lunessa's shammie's name? |
| 00:54.59 | Lopeppeppy | I do!!! |
| 00:55.06 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:55.09 | |Jelly| | What is it? I need to stalk hims! |
| 00:55.17 | Amarande | do DPS classes have a greater imperative than others to race to 80? |
| 00:55.41 | selckin | imperative? |
| 00:56.04 | Corrodias | you mean ones that can't tank or heal? |
| 00:56.06 | Amarande | selckin: because the slower you go about getting to 80, the more glut of competition you face from others in that class to get into groups |
| 00:56.20 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, hunter, warlock, mage, rogue, the pure DPS classes |
| 00:56.31 | Corrodias | trust me, levelling later will leave you PLENTY of room to get into groups |
| 00:56.36 | Corrodias | the hard part is finding anybody else who wants to go |
| 00:56.48 | Lopeppeppy | Healers are always welcome. Unless you're a pally |
| 00:57.01 | Amarande | yeah, Quel'dorei is really strange with that, too |
| 00:57.05 | Dashkal | Amarande: The DPS over-abundance will be somewhat alieviated. At least for leveling dungeons. Dunno about l80s and heroics |
| 00:57.07 | ZorbaTHut | I love being a tank |
| 00:57.14 | ZorbaTHut | I regularly get tells to do raids *while I am in that exact raid* |
| 00:57.18 | ZorbaTHut | it's fantastic. being in demand is great :D |
| 00:57.29 | Amarande | It seems to actually be easier to get a group for Strat or Scholo than for many normal or even heroic 70's |
| 00:57.37 | Corrodias | that's... that's just horrible, that one of the things you enjoy most about your class is GETTING TO PLAY |
| 00:57.42 | Corrodias | *about your role |
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| 00:57.56 | Amarande | Zorba: heh, that irritates me sometimes |
| 00:58.03 | Amarande | like on my pally when I was leveling her thru the 40s |
| 00:58.10 | Amarande | I finish with ZF, and I look to see about getting a group for Mara |
| 00:58.16 | selckin | too late in the game |
| 00:58.18 | Dashkal | Amarande: that's different on my server. Strat/Scholo simply don't get run except by 70 steamroll groups |
| 00:58.24 | Amarande | and not only don't I know anyone wanting to go to Mara |
| 00:58.31 | Amarande | but ... the moment I've zoned out of ZF, I get like three tells |
| 00:58.33 | Amarande | "wanna do ZF" |
| 00:58.33 | Dashkal | I see LFM Mech all the time |
| 00:58.35 | Corrodias | back at 60, i never ever got a group into scholo/strat, and i was a healer |
| 00:58.49 | Amarande | Corrodias: which server? |
| 00:58.51 | Corrodias | fucking wasteland server |
| 00:58.56 | Dashkal | Mara is a waste of time. I went in there for my thrash blade and stayed the hell away |
| 00:59.06 | Corrodias | Eldre'Thalas. it has always had a "decent" population, medium |
| 00:59.13 | Dashkal | The time you spend in there could be much better spent actually leveling |
| 00:59.16 | Amarande | Turalyon was like that with Scholo and Strat |
| 00:59.58 | Amarande | Turalyon is a punishingly brutal server when it comes to group content |
| 01:00.14 | Amarande | Horde side, anyway |
| 01:00.17 | Amarande | I don't know about the blue team |
| 01:00.46 | Amarande | and yes, getting to play is an important thing :) |
| 01:02.10 | Amarande | I'm also not that great at applying to guilds |
| 01:02.31 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out how, say, I distinguish myself from well every other warlock out there who knows how to play warlock but doesn't have distinguished gear |
| 01:03.01 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Quel%27dorei&n=Alvaerin <--- Said warlock. |
| 01:03.18 | Corrodias | you don't have to stand out |
| 01:03.31 | Corrodias | well, i guess i wouldn't really know |
| 01:04.21 | Corrodias | but any guild looking for an entry-level warlock will take applications from random people who can write an application that doesn't look like you just ate the keyboard and submitted the accidental data |
| 01:04.36 | Amarande | I guess I expect that there will be plenty of other warlocks also vying for that same raid slot |
| 01:04.44 | Amarande | (how's my gear look, btw?) |
| 01:05.24 | Corrodias | i haven't played in many months now, so i can't answer that... but yes, you may have competition, so to speak |
| 01:05.43 | Amarande | also, is that 56/5/0 a well-done aff build? |
| 01:05.46 | Corrodias | our guild went through its own periods of having too many healers and (briefly) too many tanks to get anything done |
| 01:06.06 | Corrodias | there are opportunities |
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| 01:07.14 | Amarande | yeah, I find it hard to think of a guild scenario where you have *too much* T&H |
| 01:07.45 | mikma | http://files.filefront.com/retlolzwmv/;12118399;/f |
| 01:07.47 | Amarande | my guild's problems may stem somewhat from having accepted too many DPS |
| 01:08.10 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever had a guildie (that I've run with) who's been *bad* |
| 01:08.14 | Corrodias | very helpful sort of people we had, but yeah, there were a few times when we had an abundance of healers for a raid and not enough dps |
| 01:08.16 | Amarande | but it means we do have a poor class balance |
| 01:08.36 | Corrodias | only a few, yes |
| 01:09.29 | Amarande | good grief, we're down to 37 level 70's in UD |
| 01:09.53 | Corrodias | so tell me about this zombie event. i don't know much of anything about it. |
| 01:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | it's over, Corrodias. Yay |
| 01:10.08 | Amarande | nine warlocks, twelve hunters, only 8 total from the tank classes, only one priest, no shamans ... |
| 01:10.58 | Corrodias | aside from being over, then |
| 01:11.11 | Amarande | Corrodias: until early Monday afternoon |
| 01:11.25 | Amarande | there were these Plagued Roaches and Conspicuous Crates around. |
| 01:11.40 | Amarande | if you hit the roach or opened the crate, you caught the Scourge |
| 01:12.05 | Amarande | which gave you a disease debuff, that could be dispelled (but tended to resist attempts to do so) and when its duration ran out, you became a zombie |
| 01:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | The resistance rate went up steadily, and the duration of the debuff before you became a zombie steadily decreased. |
| 01:12.40 | Amarande | as a zombie, you had no access to inventory or your normal skills until you died (you went back to normal when rezzed) and had a few special zombie skills, including a couple that caused others to be infected |
| 01:12.50 | Lopeppeppy | And you took durability damage, whee! |
| 01:13.15 | Corrodias | mhm, mhm... |
| 01:13.25 | Amarande | anyway, the big thing was |
| 01:13.31 | Amarande | the zombie skills that induced infection on others |
| 01:13.37 | Amarande | worked on pretty much ANY humanoid |
| 01:13.48 | Amarande | guards, other players, regardless of faction or PvP flag |
| 01:14.15 | Amarande | didn't work on non humanoids though (i.e. UC guards and silvermoon robot guards were immune) |
| 01:14.26 | Corrodias | hm |
| 01:14.36 | Corrodias | i recommend nudity, myself |
| 01:14.42 | Corrodias | (as often i do) |
| 01:14.59 | Amarande | also, you could zombiepuke in Shattrath, including on other players, despite the 'sanctuary' status |
| 01:15.22 | Amarande | the other thing about being a zombie was you had to keep attacking things, or your health would steadily deteriorate |
| 01:16.02 | Corrodias | nice. what did zombied NPC's do? |
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| 01:16.26 | Amarande | Corrodias: they attacked and zombiepuked more or less at random, like mobs |
| 01:18.41 | Amarande | the real fun came when people decided to grief |
| 01:18.51 | Corrodias | which was immediately, i'm sure :3 |
| 01:18.59 | Amarande | especially on PvE servers, where such forced PvP was almost unknown |
| 01:19.13 | Amarande | not to mention many people play on PvE servers because they actively do not desire enforced PvP |
| 01:19.13 | Corrodias | i daresay WoW players needed a little chaos in their lives |
| 01:19.22 | kd3 | whee |
| 01:19.35 | Corrodias | it's unhealthy to take it seriously for a long time |
| 01:19.53 | kd3 | "Hey <kd3>! Come help me at the grocery store. I've gotta buy $230 worth of stuff for the Halloween party I'm throwing" |
| 01:20.00 | kd3 | that was at 19:30. It's 21:20 now |
| 01:20.09 | Amarande | well, also, a lot of people were trying to do the halloween stuff, and finding the zombie people were interfering |
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| 01:21.05 | Corrodias | yeah, their timing was a little off, in that regard |
| 01:21.26 | Amarande | it also interfered in a really major way with battlegrounds |
| 01:21.40 | Amarande | BG NPCs were among the most targeted |
| 01:21.49 | Corrodias | for a game that relies so strongly on getting people to spend days trying to earn worthless things, it's bad policy to get in their way of that goal |
| 01:24.22 | NightHawkTheSane | not very decision is based on optimal business decisions. |
| 01:24.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ... meh, ineloquent, but oh well |
| 01:25.20 | Xuerian | Antiarc: Check teh sexy thread |
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| 01:26.18 | Corrodias | obviously not, or this event would have been done at such a time so as not to interfere with other special events |
| 01:26.44 | Corrodias | sounds like i'd have enjoyed it, though |
| 01:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, there's so many events these days, that it was bound to interfere with something. |
| 01:27.38 | Amarande | they should have done it at valentines |
| 01:28.01 | Amarande | I hate Valentine's, a Valentine's event that was interrupted by brainhungry zombies would be perfect for me :P |
| 01:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | except wrath is not being released then |
| 01:28.16 | Corrodias | not a bad idea |
| 01:28.26 | Amarande | well, actually I don't mind the WoW valentine stuff |
| 01:28.31 | Amarande | but I detest Valentine's Day :P |
| 01:28.49 | Amarande | At least this coming year I don't have to think about it, because I'll be at an event for a site I belong to that weekend instead |
| 01:29.16 | Antiarc | Xuerian: I lol'd |
| 01:29.41 | Amarande | Even though I'm not so bitter about being single as when I was younger, there are still three factors that lead normally to Valentine's being lousy for me. |
| 01:29.49 | Xuerian | Antiarc: <3 |
| 01:29.56 | Amarande | 1) the fact that it's godawful busy at work, but staff isn't increased accordingly |
| 01:30.02 | Amarande | 2) the fact that so much of this business is flowers, which leads into |
| 01:30.05 | Amarande | 3) I have allergies. |
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| 01:43.54 | Proditor | Hmmm, could anyone tell me if there's a way to use svn on the local addon folder that's in the wow addon directory? Seems like wow doesnt recognize it if svn is enabled :-o |
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| 01:46.33 | ZealotOnAStick | ~seen Cairenn |
| 01:46.37 | purl | cairenn <n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1h 44m 22s ago, saying: 'but I'm very very glad I got to the store and back when I did, it has gotten nasty damn fast out there'. |
| 01:46.58 | Xuerian | Antiarc: Now I need a small buff/debuff mod to go with it :( |
| 01:48.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Proditor: wow will recognize it fine. I have svn checked out addons under both linux and windows and in both cases, wow recognizes the addon fine. |
| 01:49.42 | Antiarc | Xuerian: Someone else said that too |
| 01:49.43 | malreth | so, if you use /cast Polymorph in a macro, it will always cast your Polymorph(Pig) spell |
| 01:49.48 | Antiarc | Taking suggesions for SexyBuffs |
| 01:50.12 | Xuerian | Antiarc: Perhaps the ability to hide ones above X duration or X remaining until mousing over the frame |
| 01:50.18 | malreth | to cast sheep, you have to explicitly use /cast Polymorph(Rank 4) |
| 01:50.26 | Shirik | ZealotOnAStick: Is there any... |
| 01:50.27 | Shirik | nm |
| 01:50.31 | Antiarc | Something to just make it slimmer? |
| 01:52.04 | Proditor | ScytheBlade1: alright, me doing something wrong as usual then, thank you |
| 01:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Proditor: check your Logs\FrameXML.log. It'll tell you what's up. |
| 01:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (Even if you have a raw lua addon, it can still provide relevant information) |
| 01:53.36 | Shirik | FREAK OUT TEACHER MODE |
| 01:54.32 | Xuerian | Antiarc: I'd like a small icon+%M:%S display, too. |
| 01:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: less emo |
| 01:55.28 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.44 | Redguard | /life |
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| 02:41.13 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 02:41.24 | Shirik | qqqqqqq |
| 02:41.27 | Shirik | 50 degrees |
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| 02:42.10 | Amarande | shirik: what kind of codes do you have to feed ~weather? |
| 02:42.14 | Amarande | radio stations? |
| 02:42.15 | Shirik | ICAO |
| 02:42.29 | Shirik | airport codes |
| 02:43.33 | Shirik | do you live in the US? |
| 02:43.45 | Amarande | ~weather kdxr |
| 02:43.53 | Amarande | yeah, I do :) |
| 02:43.59 | Amarande | I'm used to three-letter airport codes heh |
| 02:44.01 | Shirik | Well you figured it out |
| 02:44.13 | Shirik | Yes, the ICAO codes in the US are generally K followed by the 3-letter FAA code |
| 02:44.47 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 02:44.57 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, save me :( |
| 02:45.01 | Shirik | it's 50 degrees here :( |
| 02:45.18 | Arrowmaster | fuck you its 36 here |
| 02:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ~laugh Shirik |
| 02:45.19 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at Shirik...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 02:45.21 | kd3 | ~weather kvpc |
| 02:45.28 | kd3 | gack |
| 02:45.44 | Lopeppeppy | It's snowing here, dear. |
| 02:45.57 | Antiarc | ~weather phx |
| 02:46.17 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:46.23 | Shirik | it is not warm |
| 02:46.23 | Antiarc | ~weather kdvt |
| 02:46.26 | Shirik | I need to go get a coat |
| 02:46.29 | Antiarc | I win |
| 02:46.40 | Shirik | omg |
| 02:46.44 | Shirik | wtb 80 degree weather again |
| 02:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I will also add that I'll be seeing just above freezing temps within about a week |
| 02:47.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you need to spend a winter in a place north of you by about 300+ miles. |
| 02:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Michigan might work well |
| 02:47.22 | Shirik | I'm from Virginia |
| 02:47.32 | Shirik | and I'll probably be in Pennsylvania during Christmas |
| 02:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Or if you're feeling adventerous, Winnipeg. I hear that they drop to 50C below pretty easily. |
| 02:47.57 | Shirik | ...... no |
| 02:50.26 | Lopeppeppy | Cold. |
| 02:50.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Also! |
| 02:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: die |
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| 02:56.20 | Shirik | yay |
| 02:56.22 | Shirik | not me to die |
| 02:57.33 | Sixen | Heh, i'm from NJ... I miss the cold :( |
| 02:59.25 | |Jelly| | Did they ever get the kinks worked out of kgPanels with the preview thing? |
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| 03:09.53 | Lothaer | afternoon |
| 03:12.02 | Tekkub | wewt I got the HH helm |
| 03:12.30 | Lothaer | grats |
| 03:12.53 | Shirik | not grats |
| 03:12.55 | Shirik | make him suffer |
| 03:12.58 | Lothaer | lol |
| 03:13.19 | Tekkub | the damn laugh |
| 03:13.27 | Tekkub | now it's mine forever |
| 03:14.01 | Mundyz | anyone know the name of the frame that holds the game clock |
| 03:14.19 | Shirik | ~devtools |
| 03:14.19 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 03:14.38 | Mundyz | ty Shirik |
| 03:14.46 | Shirik | use /dtframestack |
| 03:15.06 | Mundyz | someone mentioned this mod yesterday but couldnt remember the name |
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| 03:17.03 | Amarande | wb Cairenn |
| 03:17.34 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 03:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Want to hear something funny, Cairenn? |
| 03:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:44 <@Shirik> Lopeppeppy, save me :( |
| 03:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:45 <@Shirik> it's 50 degrees here :( |
| 03:18.12 | bleeter | NEEERRRDDDD |
| 03:18.13 | Shirik | ~kill ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:18.14 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized proton gun at ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:18.15 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.19 | Cairenn | first snowstorm of the season, first power outage of the season (well second, since it went out twice so far tonight) |
| 03:20.56 | Lothaer | wooot http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9979-ComeHere.html 1st mod in the DK section :D |
| 03:20.59 | Xuerian | Shirik: srsly, why ISN'T it? |
| 03:21.10 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:22.33 | bleeter | MOOOOOAAAAARRRR NEEERRDDD RAAGGEE AAARRRGH |
| 03:23.34 | Shirik | Xuerian? |
| 03:24.16 | Xuerian | Shirik: devtools |
| 03:24.21 | Xuerian | why isn't it in default ui :p |
| 03:24.40 | Cairenn | bleeter: !!! |
| 03:24.49 | bleeter | Cairenn: !!! |
| 03:25.07 | Shirik | Shirik: !!! |
| 03:25.14 | bleeter | kd3: you looking for the cause of my rage? |
| 03:25.21 | Xuerian | BANG BANG BANG =O |
| 03:26.06 | Shirik | Hrm |
| 03:26.19 | Shirik | Hard drive of the head of my department's computer just died |
| 03:26.24 | Shirik | he's complaining about losing 4 years of work |
| 03:26.25 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 03:26.45 | Shirik | I'm trying to tell him "You're the head of software & computer engineering and you didn't back up your drive? You know how this works..." |
| 03:26.47 | bleeter | Shirik: is this where you, or the staff, complain about lack of budget for backups? |
| 03:26.59 | kd3 | 4 years of work? |
| 03:27.01 | kd3 | no backups? |
| 03:27.06 | bleeter | sack him |
| 03:27.09 | Shirik | I could understand it if he were a mechanical engineer |
| 03:27.12 | Shirik | computer? no |
| 03:27.29 | bleeter | any department head, mech, comp, heck even lit etc. |
| 03:27.32 | bleeter | sack them |
| 03:28.18 | Shirik | I'd be lying if I were unprepared too |
| 03:28.25 | Shirik | Cidan saved my ass the only time I had a HDD failing |
| 03:28.36 | Shirik | I caught it just in time, recognized it was failing and emergency-uploaded stuff to his server |
| 03:28.45 | Shirik | the next morning the drive wouldn't spin up |
| 03:29.14 | Sixen | Heh |
| 03:29.24 | Amarande | I threw out a perfectly good hard drive a few months ago :( |
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| 03:30.37 | Amarande | I thought the file corruption issues I was getting were because of the HD |
| 03:30.44 | Amarande | when apparently in the end they turned out to be RAM |
| 03:31.49 | Shirik | Does walgreens sell ice cream? |
| 03:32.07 | keias | yes, Shirik |
| 03:32.35 | Shirik | and razor blades |
| 03:32.38 | Shirik | they should have those |
| 03:32.42 | Shirik | so... off to walgreens! |
| 03:34.02 | Mundyz | wow |
| 03:34.07 | Mundyz | the clock frame is called "TimeManagerClockButton" |
| 03:34.18 | Mundyz | why so long -_- |
| 03:34.21 | bleeter | screwit, this is impossible. I'll have to 'resort' to using WoWInterface for my WoWAce addon selections :/ |
| 03:34.23 | Mundyz | "Clock" would have sufficed |
| 03:36.48 | kd3 | wtf. trackeralarm thread is still going? |
| 03:36.56 | kd3 | how the hell has it not gotten locked/deleted yet? |
| 03:38.59 | Tekkub | trackeralarm? |
| 03:39.08 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11829506888&sid=1 |
| 03:39.45 | kd3 | op's gotta be a shill... especially since it costs $14.95 to buy. >.> |
| 03:40.08 | Sixen | It's illegal? |
| 03:40.16 | kd3 | that too |
| 03:40.19 | Tekkub | oh I thought it was a mod |
| 03:40.20 | Sixen | How so? |
| 03:40.36 | kd3 | 3rd-party-app. scans the minimap so it can go 'ping' whenever it sees a tracking blip |
| 03:40.42 | Sixen | To my understanding, it basically looks at the screen and plays a sound if it gets a certain picture. |
| 03:41.02 | Sixen | Basically, it automatically takes a screenshot, then scans the ss for a certain picture and plays a sound. |
| 03:41.16 | Tekkub | reminds me of my old FFXI fishbot :) |
| 03:41.28 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:41.28 | Sixen | Technically, it doesn't violate any rules/terms in the EULA/ToS. |
| 03:41.35 | Amarande | now to figure out what this power cable is for |
| 03:41.45 | Amarande | Tekkub: how many people have you gotten banned from FFXI for illegal fishing? :) |
| 03:41.58 | Tekkub | none, I didn't share it |
| 03:42.05 | Tekkub | well, outside my house |
| 03:42.06 | Amarande | did YOU get banned for illegal fishing? :) |
| 03:42.13 | Tekkub | we had 4 pots running at one point |
| 03:42.17 | Tekkub | nope! |
| 03:42.20 | Sixen | Illegal fishing, lol. |
| 03:42.27 | Sixen | U KANT HAVE DAT FISH, ITZ MEXICAN! |
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| 03:42.31 | Tekkub | they only ran when someone was around to watch them |
| 03:43.11 | Tekkub | in WoW I can make assloads of money easily, legally, and I don't NEED it to level like you did in FFXI |
| 03:43.33 | Tem | Has anyone done Illidari council lately? |
| 03:43.45 | Tem | (since the patch) |
| 03:43.51 | kd3 | ya |
| 03:43.53 | Tem | we just engaged |
| 03:43.53 | Sixen | brb |
| 03:43.58 | Tem | and half our raid crahsed |
| 03:43.59 | Tekkub | Tem! fix the chaticon config error! |
| 03:44.01 | kd3 | the pull still sucks but it's still doable |
| 03:44.08 | Tem | Tekkub, there's a chaticon error? |
| 03:44.14 | Tekkub | one sec |
| 03:44.24 | Tem | kd3, we farm it |
| 03:44.26 | Tem | but like |
| 03:44.36 | Tem | when half the raid crashes, it's a problem |
| 03:44.39 | Tekkub | Tem, http://gist.github.com/20034 |
| 03:44.47 | Mundyz | what function moves a frame |
| 03:44.54 | Tekkub | latest WoWI version unless you've updated in the past day |
| 03:45.06 | Tem | oh |
| 03:45.13 | Tem | I haven't touched it since I made it |
| 03:45.19 | Tem | because icons in chat are still broken |
| 03:45.20 | Tekkub | OBVIOUSLY |
| 03:45.39 | Tekkub | they seem to work for me |
| 03:45.43 | Tekkub | what's the breakink? |
| 03:47.25 | End | addon works for me, other than the lack of config |
| 03:50.39 | Mundyz | how do i make a frame move to position x,y |
| 03:50.58 | Mundyz | been searching wowwiki but im not really sure what im looking for |
| 03:51.06 | bleeter | scissors and glue |
| 03:51.25 | Mundyz | what if i want to move it again later |
| 03:51.41 | bleeter | damn, got me there |
| 03:51.44 | Amarande | wow. a receipt from shareware I registered in 2002 |
| 03:53.02 | Lothaer | WTB update for ItemSync and GlowFoSho pst |
| 03:54.11 | *** join/#wowuidev jazz^ (n=irc@coke.core.ping.fr) |
| 03:54.26 | Tem | Tekkub, they cause the font to go all crazy |
| 03:54.36 | Tekkub | if you say so! |
| 03:55.26 | Tem | or they did the last time I tried |
| 03:55.32 | Tem | I'm in the middle of BT |
| 03:55.36 | Tem | I'll try when I get out |
| 03:56.03 | *** part/#wowuidev jazz^ (n=irc@coke.core.ping.fr) |
| 03:56.15 | Tem | I actually need to redo some of that code on the slider |
| 03:56.26 | Tem | since sliders have enable/disable now |
| 03:56.32 | Tekkub | I WANT FIX NAOU |
| 03:56.48 | Tem | then fix it yourself |
| 03:57.40 | Shirik | You know I've been wondering, Verizon makes a big deal out of "We test our network every day" |
| 03:57.46 | Saryai | I needs me a name for the new swing timer I'm writing... |
| 03:57.51 | Shirik | one would assume all their employees have Verizon cell phones |
| 03:58.06 | Shirik | is it not arguable that simply by using their cell phone daily, they are "testing the network"? |
| 03:58.20 | Shirik | Using that logic, all wireless companies can argue the same statement |
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| 04:00.35 | Saryai | Got it. =D |
| 04:00.47 | orkshire | hi |
| 04:01.09 | cog|away | ~poke Shirik |
| 04:01.09 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:01.25 | Shirik | ~poke cog|away |
| 04:01.26 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cog|away, pokes cog|away repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:02.29 | orkshire | is there a way to get the z-coordinate of the player? (like the x,y coordinates with GetPlayerMapPosition()) |
| 04:02.34 | Shirik | no |
| 04:02.56 | Saryai | orkshire: It's been requested a lot. |
| 04:02.58 | orkshire | that makes me really sad |
| 04:03.01 | orkshire | ;) |
| 04:03.08 | Shirik | Correction: Not directly |
| 04:03.36 | orkshire | ok.. indirectly and roughly would be enough i think |
| 04:03.48 | Shirik | no I don't think so |
| 04:04.05 | orkshire | ok so you dont know a way to do it indirectly either? |
| 04:04.18 | Shirik | How much calculus do you know, and how much do you want to go running around the world to determine the ground-level Z coordinate? |
| 04:04.23 | Shirik | Oh I know a way I have theorized about |
| 04:04.52 | Shirik | It involves a significant amount of calculus and is subject to a significant amount of error |
| 04:05.04 | orkshire | well i wanna code an addon which builds an internal model of the map to be able to calculate pathes over ti |
| 04:05.06 | orkshire | *it |
| 04:05.28 | orkshire | you can try to explain.. i know some calculus |
| 04:05.44 | orkshire | i want to do this as part of my bachelor thesis |
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| 04:06.56 | Shirik | See post 67 |
| 04:06.58 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77785285&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 04:07.08 | orkshire | ok thanks |
| 04:07.10 | Shirik | [(m+1)s] * sqrt(1-[(1/(2sqrt(x^2+y^2)))(2x(dx/dt)+2y(dy/dt))]/[(m+1)s]) = dz/dt |
| 04:07.17 | Shirik | obviously integral(dz/dt)=z |
| 04:07.22 | Shirik | well, z+c |
| 04:07.31 | Shirik | The c is what you're going to have fun trying to figure out |
| 04:07.40 | orkshire | ok :) i have to take a look at that |
| 04:08.17 | Mundyz | i havent done calculus in so long |
| 04:08.20 | Mundyz | that hurt my head |
| 04:09.03 | Mundyz | whats that mod called that lets you type in Lua to be executed in-game |
| 04:09.17 | Shirik | wowlua or /script :P |
| 04:09.43 | Mundyz | /script is cumbersome |
| 04:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why I use /run |
| 04:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ^___________^ |
| 04:11.04 | Shirik | ^______________________________^ |
| 04:11.10 | bleeter | Shirik: one way you can kinda get the Z co-ordinate... is ... oh, I can't remember if it's tainting the GM Ticket window or just flat out crashing the client. |
| 04:11.21 | bleeter | There's definately a Z co-ord exposed then, though ;) |
| 04:11.38 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 04:11.52 | bleeter | I've seen the internal Z co-ord pop up from time to time, just can't recall when |
| 04:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | When you nuke the client |
| 04:12.09 | bleeter | I thought it was the GM ticket taint, saw the number fly by as it's part of the hidden info in the ticket |
| 04:12.15 | bleeter | might be a taint then a crash... /shrug |
| 04:12.23 | Shirik | odd |
| 04:13.02 | orkshire | hmmm ;) |
| 04:13.20 | orkshire | but i really like need the info on a once per second base or so ;) |
| 04:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | We really don't have access to it |
| 04:13.50 | orkshire | its a pity, really |
| 04:14.02 | orkshire | my dreams.. crushed to dust ^^ |
| 04:16.37 | Mundyz | can anyone tell me how to move a frame ingame with /script |
| 04:16.45 | Mundyz | or how to move one in general |
| 04:17.23 | Mundyz | is this an incredibly stupid question |
| 04:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It |
| 04:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It's actually long and somewhat involved |
| 04:18.35 | Mundyz | oh right |
| 04:18.45 | Mundyz | i figured there was just a Move(x,y) function or something |
| 04:18.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Only in some cases |
| 04:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally if you just want to move a frame that doesn't want to move |
| 04:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Move the mouse where you want to frame to go |
| 04:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.47 | Shirik | 1? |
| 04:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | note: this will not remember the settings over relogs |
| 04:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And 1 works |
| 04:20.43 | Shirik | I know it works |
| 04:20.52 | Shirik | if(1) works too |
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| 04:22.45 | Shirik | Man, it's really hard to keep your tongue still |
| 04:22.59 | Shirik | I put a spoon on my tongue and I can see it moving around like crazy |
| 04:23.02 | Mundyz | is there a way to move something to a certain part of the screen? |
| 04:23.04 | Shirik | I can't hold it straight out :( |
| 04:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ................. @ Shirik |
| 04:23.17 | Tekkub | who knows their shit with vid cards? |
| 04:23.19 | Shirik | Ice cream does strange things to me |
| 04:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Mundyz: yes, but *that* is the long and somewhat involved explanation :) |
| 04:23.26 | Shirik | Tekkub: What do you need |
| 04:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (And my head hurts far too much to explain that atm, sorry) |
| 04:23.35 | Tekkub | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106791921%201067924922&StoreType=7&CompareItemList=N82E16814150272,N82E16814130397,N82E16814130380,N82E16814150320,N82E16814121255&bop=And |
| 04:23.57 | Mundyz | oh ok |
| 04:24.07 | Tekkub | Shirik, I'm debating the 9600 768 GDDR2 vs the 9800 512 GDDR3 |
| 04:24.07 | Mundyz | got a link to some readin material? |
| 04:24.19 | Tekkub | there are a huge advantage to the latter? |
| 04:24.30 | Shirik | DDR3 scares me, actually |
| 04:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know of any one concise document on it, no |
| 04:24.40 | Tekkub | good scared? |
| 04:25.18 | Shirik | no |
| 04:25.23 | Shirik | Here's the problem |
| 04:25.32 | Shirik | DDR3 works by increasing the clock speed at a cost of latency |
| 04:25.40 | Shirik | The question arises over which is the bottleneck |
| 04:26.00 | Amarande | GDDR3? Isn't that old hat? |
| 04:26.06 | Tekkub | okey, let me put it this way.... I'm not a performance whore when it comes to video |
| 04:26.15 | Tekkub | I don't like to blow assloads on video cards |
| 04:26.27 | Tekkub | but I'd like to get the best I can for what I'm looking at spending |
| 04:26.32 | Amarande | my Radeon HD 3870 has DDR4 |
| 04:26.37 | Tekkub | so just tell me which to buy ^^ |
| 04:26.46 | Shirik | Amarande: I wouldn't call that a good thing tbh |
| 04:26.58 | Tekkub | Amarande, and did you spend more than $150? |
| 04:27.05 | Shirik | there are 3 9800 512 GDDR3 models there |
| 04:27.19 | Amarande | Tekkub: It cost about $270 when I bought it, but that was when it was new |
| 04:27.33 | Tekkub | yea, out of my price range, you don't count :P |
| 04:27.45 | Tekkub | Shirik, the first one was what I was thinking |
| 04:28.00 | Mundyz | ScytheBlade1: the reason i ask is because i have a macro that shows/hies the combat log |
| 04:28.03 | Mundyz | but every log in |
| 04:28.10 | Mundyz | its position resets to where chatframe1 is |
| 04:28.22 | Mundyz | so i was going to write a simple addon that just moved it to some location whenever it was shown |
| 04:28.42 | Shirik | If you're not a performance buff, I would go with the GDDR2 model |
| 04:29.05 | Shirik | you won't use the increased speed, and the reduced latency will help if you're going to use that increased amount of memory |
| 04:29.06 | Tekkub | I'm not *OMG IT HAS TO BE THE FASTEST* |
| 04:29.22 | Shirik | Given the price difference, and you're only losing 20MHz on the core |
| 04:29.35 | Tekkub | I just want it to be playable in wow at my big WAS rez |
| 04:29.43 | Shirik | I don't think that should have a problem |
| 04:29.50 | Tekkub | right now I get 10-20FPS and I'm happy |
| 04:31.03 | Tekkub | so you say the XFX one? |
| 04:32.18 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:32.41 | Tekkub | wewt! |
| 04:32.45 | Shirik | The only time you would need to go up to something in the GDDR3+ range would be when you have a huge amount of Core-RAM swapping |
| 04:32.49 | Tekkub | now I just have to come up with the extra money |
| 04:32.51 | Shirik | that won't happen in WoW |
| 04:33.01 | Tekkub | and I don't play games |
| 04:33.07 | Tekkub | I just program for WoW :P |
| 04:33.19 | Shirik | In all honesty there are few games that would need that kind of power. It would be more for something like CAD analysis |
| 04:33.40 | Shirik | But the marketing guys have managed to capitalize on the gaming industry nonetheless |
| 04:33.51 | Tekkub | of course |
| 04:34.05 | Tekkub | you throw bigger numbers with bigger pricetags at gamers and they buy it |
| 04:34.13 | Tekkub | they really are a stupid lot |
| 04:34.21 | Shirik | We have a 9800 in our EcoCAR CAD computer |
| 04:34.23 | Shirik | that's it |
| 04:34.39 | Tekkub | now I need a new PSU... |
| 04:34.41 | Matrix110| | Radeon 9800 Pro ftw :D |
| 04:34.48 | Matrix110| | But i threw it out last September |
| 04:35.07 | bleeter | matroxfb: Matrox Millennium G200 (AGP) detected |
| 04:35.10 | bleeter | rawr |
| 04:35.16 | Matrix110| | :D |
| 04:35.42 | Shirik | graphics card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 (1280x800x32bit 60Hz) |
| 04:35.45 | Shirik | whee |
| 04:35.46 | bleeter | though of course, I don't play WoW on that |
| 04:35.49 | Shirik | and it handles WoW just fine |
| 04:36.02 | bleeter | but I *did* use to play Maelstrom on it |
| 04:36.03 | Shirik | os: Windows Vista Ultimate, SP1 :: cpu: Intel Core2 Duo T8100 2.10GHz (at 800 MHz) :: mem: 2095/4094 MB (51%) :: gfx: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 (1280x800x32bit 60Hz) |
| 04:36.05 | bleeter | and that's close enough for me |
| 04:36.11 | Shirik | ^ laptop of pros |
| 04:36.14 | Shirik | and it only cost me $1000 |
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| 04:41.49 | NightHawkTheSane | where'd you buy it? |
| 04:42.15 | Shirik | Best Buy actually |
| 04:43.04 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: thanks for the tip regarding that externals foo, however I've given up on the entire repository as a worse joke than previously :( |
| 04:43.11 | Shirik | oh, best part about this drive |
| 04:43.12 | Shirik | er |
| 04:43.14 | Shirik | about this computer |
| 04:43.35 | Shirik | free space: 118.1/184.84 GB (63.9%) |
| 04:43.36 | Shirik | eh |
| 04:43.39 | Shirik | free space: (C:) 118.1/184.84 - (total: 118.1/184.84 GB) |
| 04:43.41 | Shirik | eh..... |
| 04:43.43 | Shirik | free space: (C:) 118.1/184.84 - (total: 118.1/184.84 GB) |
| 04:43.46 | Shirik | oh you fail so much |
| 04:43.53 | Shirik | because I don't have it partitioned in Windows :( |
| 04:44.13 | Shirik | anyway, this laptop has 2 drives |
| 04:44.26 | Shirik | 2 physical drives |
| 04:44.31 | Shirik | 200GB ea |
| 04:46.04 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:46.06 | Shirik | what's this button do |
| 04:46.16 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 04:46.20 | Shirik | that's a fun button |
| 04:46.52 | Shirik | nbs-irc has so many fun toys :) |
| 04:46.55 | Mike-N-Go | "test begins in 15 minutes" I got in a server message. |
| 04:47.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you just like seeing how many people you're in control of |
| 04:47.08 | Shirik | damn right, NightHawkTheSane *grins* |
| 04:47.21 | bleeter | if anyone's got a 'better' way in bash to work out what any given wowace addon's externals are, I'm all ears. http://bleeter.pastey.net/100003 |
| 04:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | .. if only i could find some kind of fault there ;) |
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| 04:47.52 | bleeter | (OK, I'll accept some perl/ruby/python mangling as it's needed to parse the YAML, but bash is the ideal) |
| 04:48.01 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: thats ugly |
| 04:48.34 | bleeter | yeah, it took several dozen iterations before I approached something close. it's ugly 'coz of it's history to some degree |
| 04:51.35 | Mike-N-Go | I wander what they be testing? |
| 04:52.03 | bleeter | you attention to detail? |
| 04:52.06 | bleeter | *your |
| 04:52.25 | Shirik | SEE?! ITUNES DID IT CORRECTLY |
| 04:52.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: what? |
| 04:52.52 | Shirik | Blizzard has been charging my expired credit card for nearly a year now. I just tried to use iTunes and they're all like "Your card is expired. Please update your information and try again" |
| 04:54.07 | Shirik | (and yes, it's been hitting my bank account too, so it's not like I'm cheating Blizzard or anything) |
| 04:54.15 | Amarande | heh, well, some places are apparently idiots, too |
| 04:54.23 | Amarande | did you hear that the Obama campaign accepted a donation from John Galt? :| |
| 04:55.15 | Amarande | John Galt is a -fictional character-. |
| 04:56.55 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm surprised your bank allowed the transaction to work though |
| 04:57.07 | Shirik | they've done it... |
| 04:57.12 | Shirik | 8 times now |
| 04:57.16 | Shirik | about to be 9 |
| 04:58.12 | bleeter | Amarande: coulda fooled me, I thought he was a Scottish writer :P |
| 04:58.15 | Tekkub | welp, with PSU I'm up to $340 |
| 04:58.22 | Tekkub | only got $260 currently |
| 04:58.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:58.31 | Tekkub | gonna be a few before I do mah upgrade |
| 04:58.41 | Shirik | I need to do a huge upgrade soon for my desktop |
| 04:58.41 | Amarande | bleeter: John Galt was the guy from Ayn Rand's book |
| 04:58.48 | Shirik | However it's that or camera |
| 04:58.51 | Tekkub | I'm still running AGP :) |
| 04:58.53 | Shirik | and Thunder_Child will kill me if I don't get a new camera soon |
| 04:59.09 | bleeter | Amarande: John Galt was a Scottish author from aroud the early 1800's |
| 04:59.27 | bleeter | my point being, your assertion that anyone called John Galt is a fraud, is false ;) |
| 04:59.56 | Thunder_Child | ~kill Shirik |
| 04:59.57 | purl | ACTION shoots a ionized fluxpositrino gun at Shirik |
| 05:00.57 | Amarande | bleeter: yeah, well, that John Galt wouldn't be legally allowed to donate to the Obama campaign, either :) |
| 05:01.05 | Amarande | he's not a U.S. citizen, is he? |
| 05:01.14 | bleeter | well he's dead |
| 05:01.22 | bleeter | that would kinda disqualify someone from the start |
| 05:01.27 | bleeter | whether a US citizen or not |
| 05:01.57 | bleeter | I'm just reminded when some local morons decided to try to firebomb the local chocolate shop |
| 05:02.00 | Thunder_Child | though Shirik, as much as i like cameras i would have to say that a good fast computer > good fast camera |
| 05:02.07 | bleeter | 'ocz it was owned by Suddam Hussein |
| 05:02.15 | bleeter | *Saddam |
| 05:02.47 | Shirik | I dunno Thunder_Child, my computer CAN do ok |
| 05:02.51 | Shirik | my camera... |
| 05:02.56 | bleeter | yeah right, people are heading to bagdad to kill him, and he's hiding out in tassie running a chockie shop.. yup.. smart thinking there... 'No, two people can never have the same name EVAR!' |
| 05:03.22 | Codayus | That's an interesting point. I wonder if being dead DOES disqualify you. Could you write a donation to a politial campaign into your will? |
| 05:03.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, can it play crysis maxed out @ 1680 x 1050? |
| 05:03.47 | Shirik | my monitor can't go to 1680x1050 |
| 05:04.14 | Tekkub | pfft Crysis |
| 05:04.16 | Thunder_Child | at your rez |
| 05:04.29 | Shirik | 1380x768 isn't entirely difficult |
| 05:04.29 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, it's a good benchmar no matter your opnions of the game |
| 05:04.29 | bleeter | Codayus: your estate, yes. not you personally ;) |
| 05:04.35 | Thunder_Child | benchmark* |
| 05:04.36 | Tekkub | game? |
| 05:04.44 | Thunder_Child | yes... |
| 05:04.58 | Tekkub | ... |
| 05:05.05 | bleeter | bbBBRAINNNZZZ |
| 05:05.21 | Codayus | bleeter: That doesn't sound right; otherwise you could donate to the legal maximum, die, and your estate could double it. Seems incorrect. |
| 05:05.26 | Tekkub | vvvVARIABLLLLLLZZZZZ |
| 05:06.08 | Shirik | ~brainz |
| 05:06.11 | Tekkub | the shitty thing is, there's like $55 in mail in you never get them rebates |
| 05:06.14 | Shirik | ~brains |
| 05:06.14 | purl | BRAIIINZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 05:06.22 | Tekkub | if they didn't do that bullshit, I'd be able to buy the parts now |
| 05:06.41 | bleeter | Codayus: I think you're missing my point. If you're dead, you're physically incapable of donating. Only via your estate could you. Now, how that'd play in to various local laws, I have no idea ;) |
| 05:07.12 | Codayus | bleeter: By my point is, for some legal purposes you ARE your estate... :-) |
| 05:07.22 | Codayus | Er, s/by/but/ |
| 05:08.03 | Codayus | ...actually, this boring pedantic argument is too boringly pedantic even for me. Let's argue about how ret needs even more nerfs instead. |
| 05:08.55 | Amarande | Tekkub: if they didn't do that, they'd quite likely be having an OOBE right now |
| 05:09.13 | Tekkub | BOOBE? |
| 05:09.32 | Amarande | Out of Business Experience :) |
| 05:10.00 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 05:10.07 | Tekkub | mail in rebates are retarded |
| 05:10.17 | Tekkub | I never EVER consider the price after rebate |
| 05:10.33 | Tekkub | I don't see why anyone ever would unless they're slow in the BRAINZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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| 05:12.29 | Codayus | *shrug* I consider rebates. You just need to account for the delay, the risk of nonpayment, and the hassle of sending off for the rebate. |
| 05:12.49 | Tekkub | okey let me restate... |
| 05:12.57 | Codayus | So if it's a $50 rebate then I'd treat it as being like...eh...$5. ;-) |
| 05:13.01 | Tekkub | I don't consider rebates when I'm comparing prices |
| 05:13.14 | Tekkub | I do factor them in as "found money in a few months" |
| 05:13.20 | Codayus | Oo |
| 05:13.22 | Shirik | If you do everything right, they have to pay you |
| 05:13.29 | Shirik | Make sure to make a copy of everythin you send in, etc. |
| 05:13.44 | Tekkub | "oh look, I got that rebate, lets get steak at the store tonight" |
| 05:13.57 | Codayus | Heh |
| 05:14.06 | Tekkub | Shirik, yea the issue is remembering to hastle them in 3 months about it |
| 05:14.06 | Shirik | Yeah that's a good point, Tekkub |
| 05:14.31 | Codayus | Shirik: I think that tends to be too much trouble... Sending it in the FIRST time is problems enough... |
| 05:14.31 | Shirik | wait, you don't go to outback on a regular basis? |
| 05:14.47 | Tekkub | outback is a once a year thing |
| 05:14.49 | Tekkub | Trey's BD |
| 05:14.56 | Shirik | omg no |
| 05:14.57 | Tekkub | mine is Red Blobster |
| 05:15.01 | Shirik | outback is at least once a month |
| 05:15.14 | Tekkub | we can't afford once a month |
| 05:15.29 | Tekkub | if he didn't blow all his spending money every week maybe we'd go more |
| 05:15.35 | Shirik | remind me to take you out next time as an apology for my fear of you |
| 05:15.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:16.04 | batrick | all we have here in new mexico is breakfast burritos and green/red chile |
| 05:16.04 | Tekkub | screw that, just send me $80 so I can get my parts and I'll go ifwhen I get the rebates |
| 05:16.56 | Tekkub | granted, there's always the chance Trey will blow at least $60 this upcoming weekend |
| 05:17.01 | Tekkub | if he does, I got my money |
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| 05:30.14 | Amarande | once filled, it will be absolutely immovable |
| 05:30.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:30.36 | Shirik | been there before |
| 05:30.40 | Tekkub | books suck |
| 05:31.24 | batrick | maybe if you read shitty ones |
| 05:31.59 | Shirik | you know what's a really good book? |
| 05:33.08 | Thunder_Child | Tinyboom: > Tekkub |
| 05:33.12 | Thunder_Child | err.. |
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| 05:33.24 | Shirik | http://www.amazon.com/Discrete-Time-Signal-Processing-2nd-Prentice-Hall/dp/0137549202/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225258387&sr=8-9 |
| 05:33.27 | Shirik | ^ good book |
| 05:33.35 | Tinyboom | huh?` |
| 05:33.38 | Thunder_Child | i meant to say books > Tekkub |
| 05:33.38 | Tinyboom | :p |
| 05:33.45 | Thunder_Child | i dunno how that happened |
| 05:33.48 | Tinyboom | lol |
| 05:33.53 | Tekkub | keyboard >>> Thunder_Child |
| 05:34.00 | Thunder_Child | sadly true |
| 05:35.32 | Shirik | batrick: That book bring back memories? |
| 05:36.15 | batrick | i never actually took signal processing |
| 05:36.22 | Shirik | I'm in it now :) |
| 05:36.31 | Shirik | still half of it is the same stuff |
| 05:36.33 | Shirik | z-transforms, etc. |
| 05:39.21 | Shirik | ah yes |
| 05:39.27 | Shirik | You're the one who told me to wait for them too |
| 05:39.37 | batrick | ya |
| 05:39.57 | batrick | it supposedly owns the best core 2 duo by ~50% |
| 05:40.02 | batrick | that's reason enough for me to wait :) |
| 05:40.09 | Shirik | camera or desktop upgrade |
| 05:40.12 | Shirik | it's such a hard decision |
| 05:40.19 | batrick | desktop. |
| 05:40.23 | Shirik | camera can probably wait though, TC's right |
| 05:40.27 | batrick | at least for me, I have a shitty pentium d |
| 05:40.30 | Shirik | Me too |
| 05:40.42 | Shirik | I kinda need an overhaul actually |
| 05:40.45 | batrick | my pentium d is draggin it's feet |
| 05:40.46 | Shirik | new case, the whole nine yards |
| 05:40.54 | batrick | needs to be put out of its misery |
| 05:41.05 | Tekkub | why does everyone do the fires at Goldshire? it's like the hardest one |
| 05:41.20 | Tekkub | you can do Azure Watch with like 3 fucking people |
| 05:41.22 | batrick | putting out the fires is hard? |
| 05:41.51 | Tekkub | Goldshire's is cause you have to run around the damn inn AND forge |
| 05:42.20 | Tekkub | AW's at worst spreads down the side of the inn |
| 05:42.24 | batrick | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciWSakZCq_o |
| 05:42.39 | Shirik | <3 |
| 05:42.52 | batrick | that's one of the best close up renditions I've found |
| 05:42.58 | Shirik | that's actually a good test for my final project |
| 05:43.36 | Shirik | My final project for DSP is going to be to attempt to analyze an incoming song in realtime and determine its time signature and tempo while outputting it to headphones |
| 05:43.47 | Tekkub | fuckit, I"ll just AFK in the center of town and wait till I hear his losing rhyme |
| 05:43.51 | Shirik | For many songs it's easy |
| 05:43.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: because azure watch is way the fuck out of the way |
| 05:43.56 | Shirik | for that song it will be very difficult |
| 05:44.24 | Tekkub | Kahranos isn't too hard, he only lights up the inn |
| 05:44.36 | Amarande | yeah, maybe if they'd link the draenei islands' FPs to the rest of Kalimdor ... |
| 05:44.40 | batrick | Shirik: ouch |
| 05:44.41 | Amarande | like they did with SMC and Eastern Kingdoms |
| 05:44.44 | batrick | sounds like fun tho |
| 05:44.48 | Tekkub | yea why the hell don't they? |
| 05:44.51 | Shirik | self-chosen |
| 05:45.05 | batrick | you can't use modern songs for that either |
| 05:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: in the same vein, hardly anyone on horde does fires anywhere but Brill. |
| 05:45.21 | batrick | most producers now think it's cute to change the time every two measures |
| 05:45.29 | batrick | a good example is led zep |
| 05:45.29 | Amarande | Night: Falconwing seems to have regular success as well |
| 05:45.34 | Tekkub | well Razor Hill is way down there, and who goes to Bloodhoof? |
| 05:45.41 | Shirik | well we'll see how it goes |
| 05:45.49 | Shirik | I mean he doesn't expect it to be perfect, and this is self-chosen |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik | This has been attempted for years and still hasn't been perfected |
| 05:46.00 | NightHawkTheSane | exactly. and it helps that SM is right by UC, so if you're doing HH at the same time, its really easy |
| 05:46.04 | batrick | i'd only use classical music if i were you |
| 05:46.09 | Shirik | though there are some very good algorithms out there |
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| 05:46.54 | Amarande | Tekkub: well ... |
| 05:46.58 | Amarande | during zombie weekend |
| 05:47.12 | Tekkub | that doesn't count |
| 05:47.14 | Amarande | of the areas that had halloween fire dailies, it was actually razor hill that was most infested with zombies |
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| 05:50.32 | Tekkub | http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive/2136 |
| 05:56.23 | Cidan | is there a UID for mouse over unit? |
| 05:56.31 | Cidan | ie: UnitName("mouse"); or whatever? |
| 05:56.39 | Shirik | "mouseover" |
| 05:56.54 | Cidan | kk |
| 05:56.55 | Cidan | thanks |
| 05:56.55 | Cidan | =D |
| 05:57.08 | Cidan | btw |
| 05:57.10 | Cidan | shirik |
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| 05:57.33 | Shirik | hm? |
| 05:57.39 | Cidan | added fading colors and cosine interpolation to bars, so we have smooth bar effects now |
| 05:57.48 | Cidan | well, and linear interpolation too |
| 05:58.20 | AnduinLothar | what's the best way to get errors that happen in PLAYER_LOGOUT ? |
| 05:59.16 | Cidan | maybe save them somewhere? |
| 05:59.19 | Cidan | to file? |
| 05:59.38 | AnduinLothar | mmm to saved vars i guess |
| 05:59.58 | Shirik | you know what would be awesome |
| 06:00.04 | Shirik | if it displayed correctly for me! |
| 06:00.11 | Shirik | I kid I kid <3' |
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| 06:01.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, how much are you planing on spending? |
| 06:01.13 | Shirik | on camera? |
| 06:01.18 | Thunder_Child | computer |
| 06:01.20 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | I'm probably looking at $1-2k |
| 06:01.51 | AnduinLothar | expensive |
| 06:01.56 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 06:01.59 | AnduinLothar | buy a 30" |
| 06:02.02 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 06:02.09 | Thunder_Child | mine is > 3K and i build it from scratch |
| 06:02.11 | Shirik | I have a 23" |
| 06:02.14 | Thunder_Child | built* |
| 06:02.38 | AnduinLothar | oh on a computer. thought you meant on a camera |
| 06:02.50 | Thunder_Child | thats no high for a camera either AnduinLothar |
| 06:03.06 | Thunder_Child | the one i am going to buy is ~1500 |
| 06:03.09 | Thunder_Child | not* |
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| 06:03.30 | AnduinLothar | including lens? |
| 06:03.52 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 06:03.56 | Thunder_Child | body only |
| 06:05.49 | Thunder_Child | i dont get it. how come gamespot says the release for C&C RA3 is the 28th, yet ea says it's the 29th |
| 06:05.58 | Thunder_Child | and gamspot already has a review up for it |
| 06:07.04 | AnduinLothar | lulz |
| 06:07.10 | AnduinLothar | they bought it east coast? |
| 06:07.25 | Thunder_Child | according to ea "Status: Pre-Release Wed Oct 29 12:00:00 CDT 2008 " |
| 06:07.44 | AnduinLothar | a2am? |
| 06:07.46 | Thunder_Child | all i know is i want the damn game already |
| 06:07.47 | AnduinLothar | 12am |
| 06:08.14 | AnduinLothar | i dunno |
| 06:08.17 | AnduinLothar | they're special |
| 06:08.23 | Thunder_Child | i guess so |
| 06:08.51 | Thunder_Child | i feel i am going to have to bitch if they dont also allow the download for the CE |
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| 06:33.44 | Shirik | yey, code compiles. Time for sleep. Night |
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| 06:42.49 | ccox | Tekkub: your tour guide is in serious need of updating |
| 06:42.51 | Thunder_Child | lies Shirik|AFK |
| 06:43.19 | ccox | Tekkub: for instance, the directions to go through wetlands to menethil to get on the boat to auberine - !#$%@#$%@#%@#$% waste of time |
| 06:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone know what SetFrameLevel expects as a parameter? >.> |
| 06:43.50 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wait, nvm |
| 06:45.34 | AnduinLothar | number |
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| 06:53.42 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/28/funny-pictures-prevents-unauthorized-access/ |
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| 07:00.57 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, that has to be a setup no one in their right mind would put teeny monitors like that so far back |
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| 07:01.34 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: true |
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| 07:40.00 | End | hm, fallout 3 doesn't integrate with steam well enough to not require a cdkey, but steam does show it in the lower corner until you tell it to go away |
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| 08:05.03 | Tekkub | "any age any race welcome, just be black or latin" |
| 08:05.08 | Tekkub | how does that work exactly |
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| 08:47.48 | NeoTron | I find warlock QQ funny. We did a partial pug SWP today and the top lock, felguard spec, did over 3000 dps on brutallus. I did about 2800 but got fire once which hurt a bit |
| 08:48.12 | Drakhaon | what classes are getting nerfed today? |
| 08:49.14 | NeoTron | ofc top dps was a boomkin at 3200 dps :P |
| 08:49.44 | Drak[H|AD] | NeoTron > and the top dps hunter? :P |
| 08:50.28 | NeoTron | third at 2757 |
| 08:50.38 | NeoTron | http://wowwebstats.com/z5gf1wbadulzs?s=138862-161376&m |
| 08:51.06 | NeoTron | but he also wasn't our top hunter. Besides, no clue how good specs ppl had either. I myself was experimenting (first raid since 3.0) |
| 08:51.27 | Drak[H|AD] | ok |
| 08:51.56 | NeoTron | everyone below 8th on the DPS had never been in SWP before, with a mix of (pre)kara to t6 gear |
| 08:51.59 | Drak[H|AD] | Ive only been to MH and TK yet so my top dps have been 1k'ish |
| 08:52.49 | NeoTron | we're a 10-man raiding guild now so we don't hve suffcient people to fill a 25man |
| 08:53.04 | Drak[H|AD] | Id like to speak to a good MM hunter tho, hard to find them on Argent Dawn :D |
| 08:53.04 | NeoTron | some fights, or rather, felmyst specifically probably would have bene easier with less ppl |
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| 08:56.09 | NeoTron | wow I didn't notice I had 75% crit on brutallus. lol |
| 08:56.12 | Tem | hmm |
| 08:56.19 | Tem | I have a cloak of consumption |
| 08:56.22 | Tem | (drops off hakkar) |
| 08:56.29 | Tem | and I don't have the ZG achievement |
| 08:56.50 | Drak[H|AD] | Tem > talked to a GM about that |
| 08:57.03 | Tem | oh? |
| 08:57.05 | Drak[H|AD] | all our efforts havent been listed, and we have to redo them to get them listed |
| 08:57.17 | Drak[H|AD] | example: I miss like all of the early dungeons in Outland |
| 08:57.24 | Drak[H|AD] | and I dont have Wailing Caverns done :P |
| 08:57.45 | Drak[H|AD] | Im horde, Ive done Wailing Caverns 4522312 times |
| 08:57.57 | Tem | They checked items |
| 08:58.06 | Tem | but aparently missed this item |
| 08:58.19 | Drak[H|AD] | so youre gonna have to kill him again :P |
| 08:58.43 | Drak[H|AD] | requires like 5 good geared players |
| 08:59.01 | Tem | yeah whatever |
| 08:59.16 | Tem | I'll solo it at 80 |
| 08:59.44 | Tem | and by solo I mean 2box because I'll need another body there for the MC |
| 09:00.27 | Drak[H|AD] | =) |
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| 11:49.08 | Redguard | anyone have 5 mins to look at my .xml file |
| 11:49.38 | Redguard | it works as expected (pretty plain) but when i add a <Frames> .... </Frames> tag in there with what i expect to be a child frame |
| 11:49.44 | Redguard | it doesnt load at all, no errors |
| 11:51.50 | zenzio | pastey it? |
| 11:52.43 | Redguard | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100036 - works ok |
| 11:53.48 | Redguard | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100037 - does not work |
| 11:53.55 | Redguard | the different is the <Frames> tag |
| 11:54.29 | Redguard | basically what I imagine is a main frame, and then I want a <Frames> <frame name="$parent-title"> ... </frame> </Frames> type deal |
| 11:54.48 | Redguard | in the end if i can get it working the layers on the main frame will be clear, and the title will have a color/text on it |
| 11:54.58 | Redguard | but with this breaking the way it is, I am confused |
| 11:55.05 | Redguard | still trying to debug exactly why it happens |
| 11:55.55 | Redguard | this little bit of code if put in breaks it: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100038 |
| 11:56.13 | Redguard | if i take that out of the main post /100036 it will work |
| 11:56.22 | zenzio | you checked FrameXML.log to see if it was anything obvious? |
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| 11:59.26 | Redguard | nothing in there |
| 11:59.28 | Redguard | :/ |
| 11:59.48 | Redguard | ill reload it and check if it logs anything, again |
| 12:01.05 | Redguard | 10/29 08:00:21.328 ** Loading table of contents Interface\AddOns\Walmarx_Skills\Walmarx_Skills.toc |
| 12:01.06 | Redguard | 10/29 08:00:21.328 Couldn't parse XML in Interface\AddOns\Walmarx_Skills\Walmarx_Skills.xml |
| 12:01.14 | Redguard | it's pretty ambiguous |
| 12:01.24 | Redguard | oh crap |
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| 12:01.33 | Redguard | i have <Frame name "..." |
| 12:01.40 | Redguard | let me fix that right quick X( |
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| 12:02.42 | Redguard | i actually forgot about the FrameXML log file |
| 12:02.48 | Redguard | thanks for pointing it out |
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| 12:05.16 | Drak[H|AD] | how would a setscript look for a frame that I wanna make react on the guildchat event? |
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| 12:10.39 | zenzio | Redguard: did that fix it? |
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| 12:13.23 | cbreak | Drak[H|AD]: you would set it for OnEvent |
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| 12:35.14 | Drak[H|AD] | cbreak > I tried that, SetScript("OnEvent", myFunctionName) - no reaction tho |
| 12:35.27 | cbreak | of course |
| 12:35.36 | Drak[H|AD] | cbreak > or do I need to pass on myFunctionName(event) ? |
| 12:35.38 | cbreak | you need to register for the chat event too |
| 12:35.47 | Drak[H|AD] | yea did that in myFunctionName |
| 12:35.53 | cbreak | ... |
| 12:36.04 | Drak[H|AD] | frameName:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD") (or something) |
| 12:36.06 | cbreak | you need to register it first |
| 12:36.26 | cbreak | how should it know that you want chat messages if you have your registration code |
| 12:36.38 | cbreak | in the handler that is supposed to be called _after_ an event has fired? |
| 12:36.53 | Drak[H|AD] | Im not following atm :P |
| 12:37.11 | cbreak | when does the "myFunctionName" get called? |
| 12:37.15 | cbreak | when an event happens |
| 12:37.21 | cbreak | but which events? |
| 12:37.26 | cbreak | none, because you didn't register any |
| 12:37.42 | Drak[H|AD] | oh I had registerEvent on OnLoad naturally |
| 12:37.49 | Drak[H|AD] | Im just being a bit messy atm |
| 12:38.27 | cbreak | then it should work. if you did the rest correctly :) |
| 12:38.38 | zenzio | OnLoad? OnLoad of what? |
| 12:39.02 | Drak[H|AD] | of: MSChatFrame = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent) |
| 12:39.13 | cbreak | created frames do not get loaded |
| 12:39.19 | cbreak | they are created |
| 12:40.19 | Drak[H|AD] | ah - hence the non effect then :P |
| 12:40.24 | zenzio | out of curiosity, why don't you just do MSChatFrame:RegisterEvent() right after the CreateFrame()? |
| 12:40.32 | zenzio | instead of in another function |
| 12:40.47 | Drak[H|AD] | zenzio > the easy answer would be - didnt know I could that :P |
| 12:41.56 | Drak[H|AD] | and after that I set a script for onevent? |
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| 12:43.04 | cbreak | you want to get the event, right? |
| 12:43.09 | Drak[H|AD] | yea |
| 12:43.10 | cbreak | so you won't get around it |
| 12:43.28 | cbreak | just pass it a function that takes the right arguments |
| 12:43.45 | Drak[H|AD] | what Im after is change the way guildchat is displayed |
| 12:43.59 | Drak[H|AD] | its normally [Guild] <Name>: Hey =) |
| 12:44.16 | Drak[H|AD] | I wanna change it |
| 12:44.33 | cbreak | I don't think you are on the right track |
| 12:44.47 | cbreak | you probably have to hook the standard chat frame somehow |
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| 12:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, zenzio. *hugs* |
| 12:45.57 | cbreak | reason being that you want to stop the normal chat frame from displaying guild chat text |
| 12:46.07 | cbreak | and do it yourself |
| 12:46.10 | Drak[H|AD] | yeap |
| 12:46.19 | cbreak | I have no idea how to do that properly in detail |
| 12:46.22 | Drak[H|AD] | guess I'll have to get some addon that does this and see how they do it :P |
| 12:46.28 | cbreak | yes |
| 12:46.47 | Drak[H|AD] | just gotta find a simple one |
| 12:47.23 | syth | how do you create separate keybinding headers in bindigns.xml? I tried putting a second header line and then butting the bindings under each header I wanted, but for some reason that didn't work. Is there documentation on the format of the bindings.xml file? |
| 12:47.55 | Drak[H|AD] | isnt the bindings a table you can work with? |
| 12:48.19 | Drak[H|AD] | I mean - everything else is |
| 12:48.21 | zenzio | http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_bindings.xml_to_create_key_bindings_for_your_addon ? |
| 12:49.04 | syth | well, what I did was <binding name="MyName" header="Header1"> which works fine. But butting a second line in like that breaks everything |
| 12:49.17 | Mikk | look at how other addons do it? |
| 12:49.42 | cbreak | syth: like this? <Binding name="ARTPAD_SHOW" header="ARTPAD"> |
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| 12:50.35 | cbreak | the second line does not need header= |
| 12:50.53 | cbreak | just <Binding name="ARTPAD_HIDE"> for example |
| 12:51.28 | syth | what I'm trying to do is to create another header in the keybindings menu, like Autobar IIRC has a buunch of headers |
| 12:51.41 | cbreak | and there's a global BINDING_HEADER_ARTPAD = "ArtPad"; for my addon |
| 12:51.53 | Drak[H|AD] | hmm.. RegisterEventHandler(SystemData.Events.CHAT_TEXT_ARRIVED, "ChatAlert.IncomingChat"); - is that using game functions or some addon library stuff (like Ace) |
| 12:52.07 | cbreak | if you set header you should get an other header |
| 12:52.12 | cbreak | works for me |
| 12:52.38 | cbreak | I've never seen RegisterEventHandler |
| 12:52.53 | syth | right, but I have like 40 bindings all under 1 header. When I try and group them under different headers it was breaking. |
| 12:53.08 | syth | Do I need to grop them the same in the LUA file as well? |
| 12:53.11 | cbreak | how do you create the new headers? |
| 12:53.17 | Drak[H|AD] | there's no .toc file in the addon so cant see if it requires some other addon :P |
| 12:53.23 | krka | syth: Don't call it that. |
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| 12:53.36 | syth | same as the old header. |
| 12:53.41 | cbreak | just give every new binding that follows an intended header the header property? |
| 12:54.04 | cbreak | Drak[H|AD]: if it doesn't have a toc, it's not an addon |
| 12:54.26 | syth | that wowwiki link doesn't have an example with multiple headers |
| 12:54.44 | cbreak | I don't see the problem with multiple headers |
| 12:55.52 | syth | hrm. OK, I will try it again and post a sample file when I get back then |
| 12:56.41 | Redguard | Lopeppeppy I am mad at you |
| 12:58.25 | Shirik|zZz | ~weather kdab |
| 12:58.27 | zenzio | I think you left out "bou" |
| 12:58.31 | Shirik|zZz | holy shit |
| 12:58.40 | Shirik|zZz | I have to wear a coat today I guess |
| 13:00.51 | syth | a coat? |
| 13:01.03 | zenzio | he normally goes nakes |
| 13:01.06 | zenzio | -s +d |
| 13:01.08 | syth | it's freaking 49 degrees!? What kind of person whee's a coat when it's that warm! |
| 13:01.17 | syth | wears* |
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| 13:01.34 | Drak[H|AD] | MSChatTrigger:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD"); MSChatTrigger:SetScript("OnEvent", MSChat_GetMsg); - in that function I have a message("hello!") - and I get nothing :P |
| 13:03.04 | Redguard | syth in florida |
| 13:03.11 | Redguard | when it's below 75, we freak out |
| 13:03.17 | Redguard | headless chickens |
| 13:03.33 | Redguard | although, i am in florida in shorts with no shirt |
| 13:03.43 | Redguard | I don't think I belong here |
| 13:04.17 | Redguard | ~weather melbourne |
| 13:04.18 | Drak[H|AD] | no idea how hot 75 is since we use celcius here :P |
| 13:04.25 | Redguard | station code.. |
| 13:04.47 | krka | 10 degrees C is certainly cold enough to wear a semi-warm jacket atleast |
| 13:04.56 | Redguard | ~weather kmlb |
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| 13:05.24 | Redguard | it's 50 here, about the same temp |
| 13:05.29 | Drak[H|AD] | Redguard > seems 75 f is about 23 c - which is early summer temp here |
| 13:05.39 | Redguard | Drak[H|AD] mhm |
| 13:05.48 | Redguard | it is normally.. |
| 13:05.59 | Redguard | 85-95F here |
| 13:06.11 | Redguard | a solid 90F is norm |
| 13:06.16 | Drak[H|AD] | currently have 35f here :P |
| 13:06.37 | krka | 75F is freaking hot |
| 13:06.42 | krka | that's when we go around naked in sweden |
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| 13:06.50 | Drak[H|AD] | 75 f is a bit below how I like it |
| 13:07.08 | Drak[H|AD] | I like it 86f (and Im from sweden too) |
| 13:07.33 | krka | almost too hot! |
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| 13:07.42 | krka | 25 is optimal |
| 13:08.16 | Drak[H|AD] | nah.. lakes gets warm at around a month of 30 :D |
| 13:08.47 | krka | comfortably warm is better than sweating warm |
| 13:08.52 | Drak[H|AD] | I grew up in Hjo, by Vättern - after a non-rain summer of 25-30 Vättern might get 20°C |
| 13:10.49 | syth | ok, here';s the test file I made with Huggie. This does nto work: home.kreme.com/bindingstest.html |
| 13:11.30 | syth | I added " header="LOVIE"" and I aded the two LOVIE lines in the LUA. Without them, it works fine, but with one header |
| 13:11.44 | krka | syth: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. |
| 13:12.10 | syth | you think that's the cause of the problem? |
| 13:12.31 | zenzio | I'm guessing you just typoed in the HTML, not in your bindings.xml? |
| 13:12.40 | zenzio | the missing " in the second DoEmote |
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| 13:13.11 | syth | ah.. yeah. oops |
| 13:15.47 | cbreak | you should use different headers |
| 13:16.15 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 13:16.33 | syth | ? I thought I was trying to use different headers? |
| 13:17.08 | cbreak | yes, just saw it |
| 13:17.29 | cbreak | how does the result look? |
| 13:17.38 | cbreak | because I just tried something similar, and it worked fine |
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| 13:20.47 | Fisker- | damn clad|away |
| 13:20.56 | Fisker- | someone is leeching porn on our realm |
| 13:21.11 | Drak[H|AD] | anyone got a good source of info where I can read up on what stats are good and not good for a druid tank? |
| 13:22.05 | cbreak | Drak[H|AD]: stay clear of +spell damage cloth :D |
| 13:22.21 | cbreak | (it's all MINE!) |
| 13:22.42 | Drak[H|AD] | hehe :P |
| 13:22.55 | syth | cbreak: I get nothing in the bindings with that example, doesn't laod at all |
| 13:22.57 | Drak[H|AD] | just curious if my amount of hp / armor is way out of bonds or ok etc |
| 13:23.12 | zenzio | I know they lowered the bear armor bonus a little, but do bears need to resort to cloth now? |
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| 13:23.21 | cbreak | not even the stuff before the second header? very weird |
| 13:23.26 | cbreak | anything in the logs? |
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| 13:29.07 | syth | not that I found. I am off to work now, if you think of anything, msg me and I'll see it. Otherwise, i will pester the channel when i get back :) |
| 13:31.36 | zenzio | syth: out of curiosity, did you try disabling all other addons to make sure it's not some sort of freak interference? |
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| 13:41.20 | Lopeppeppy | Re-hello, Shirik. |
| 13:44.33 | Industrial | http://www.speedtest.net/result/346783288.png |
| 13:44.40 | Industrial | anyone getting huge lags? |
| 13:44.41 | Industrial | :| |
| 13:45.24 | Drak[H|AD] | in game? |
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| 13:49.35 | Shirik | Industrial: That's not a fair test |
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| 13:51.15 | Industrial | Shirik: i know :P |
| 13:51.26 | Industrial | i dont know where my wow server is located :O |
| 13:51.42 | sacarasc | mars |
| 13:51.47 | sacarasc | they're all on mars |
| 13:53.37 | Industrial | no i think sweden ro something but not sure |
| 13:54.06 | Josh_Borke | Industrial: did you do a tracert to your server? |
| 13:55.15 | Industrial | Josh_Borke: obviously not ! |
| 13:55.34 | Shirik | tracert = bad |
| 13:55.37 | Shirik | use pathping instead |
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| 13:59.24 | zenzio | Industrial: you nub... the EU WoW servers are in Germany and France |
| 14:00.14 | Industrial | then how would I ever have a bad connection to that :| im right next to it |
| 14:00.21 | Industrial | (the netherlands) |
| 14:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | I can be standing next to my router and not be able to ping it, if it's not working, dear. |
| 14:01.00 | Lopeppeppy | Not working = not working no matter how close you are! |
| 14:02.46 | Redguard | Lopeppeppy first off, are you connected to the correct SSID? |
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| 14:03.35 | Redguard | try changing the wireless channel it's using |
| 14:03.44 | Redguard | change it up or down 6 channels |
| 14:03.45 | zenzio | ... |
| 14:03.48 | zenzio | I think she was making a point |
| 14:03.53 | zenzio | not explaining a problem |
| 14:03.57 | Redguard | i read from the bottom up |
| 14:04.04 | zenzio | bad idea on IRC |
| 14:04.10 | Redguard | bad idea anywhere |
| 14:04.11 | Lopeppeppy | Redguard, I was making a point to beloved Indie, with much of love and hugs to him in his current plight of evil Intrawebz. |
| 14:04.13 | Redguard | old habit |
| 14:04.32 | Redguard | ok, it makes sense now |
| 14:04.37 | Redguard | ignore me :) |
| 14:04.41 | Redguard | <= mostly harmless |
| 14:04.42 | zenzio | :) |
| 14:04.56 | Shirik | Redguard: I can be standing next to my router and not be able to ping it, also |
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| 14:05.01 | Shirik | even if it is working |
| 14:05.14 | Redguard | Shirik you are being punished for living in a horrible city |
| 14:05.19 | Redguard | I can not blame your router |
| 14:05.25 | Shirik | no |
| 14:05.39 | Shirik | I am being "punished" for not wanting to respond to pings |
| 14:05.46 | Redguard | heh |
| 14:05.58 | Redguard | your router locks you out for denying icmp, seriously? |
| 14:06.09 | zenzio | well we're pretty much assuming the unit you're trying to ping isn't set to block them, Shirik |
| 14:06.14 | Shirik | I never said my router locks me out |
| 14:06.37 | Redguard | ok |
| 14:06.45 | Redguard | if i have to drive there to kick you in the ass |
| 14:06.49 | Redguard | so be it :/ |
| 14:07.24 | Redguard | not our fault you block ping, and want to mock my stupidity |
| 14:07.38 | Redguard | not hard to do.. |
| 14:08.00 | Shirik | I never said it was your fault |
| 14:08.09 | Shirik | I merely make a point that no ping may not be bad :) |
| 14:09.21 | zenzio | you picked the wrong time to be funny about technicalities |
| 14:09.32 | Redguard | i think you are violating a few state laws blocking ping Shirik |
| 14:09.40 | Industrial | im just saying, WTF?!?! blizzard. |
| 14:09.43 | Redguard | some steak, and I won't say a thing |
| 14:09.45 | Industrial | fixit! nao! |
| 14:10.05 | Shirik | That's a first |
| 14:10.26 | Shirik | Last I checked, my router is mine and what I do with it is my discretion so long as I follow my ISP's TOS |
| 14:10.57 | Redguard | well then, what about your modified exhaust with no cat converter |
| 14:11.10 | Redguard | or your neighbor's cable you are borrowing |
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| 14:11.26 | Redguard | i will hit a sore spot sooner or later :( |
| 14:11.59 | Redguard | so on a serious note anyhow |
| 14:12.07 | Redguard | how do you guys like the changes to pallies |
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| 14:12.27 | |Jelly| | <3 with the exception that everyone is freaking ret instead of ... something useful. |
| 14:13.25 | Redguard | and what is the reason the actionbuttons are "checkbutton" types instead of "button" |
| 14:13.27 | kneeki | I'm a prot pally, and love the changes =) |
| 14:13.30 | Redguard | I am looking at this right now |
| 14:13.54 | Redguard | i ran with a t5 pally in kara last night, hoping for a 45 min clear |
| 14:14.06 | Redguard | he took almost 3 hours to clear it, i was pulling my hair out |
| 14:14.09 | kneeki | 45min cleared Kara? |
| 14:14.13 | Redguard | sure |
| 14:14.26 | kneeki | I just did it last night (me solo tanking, one healer, 8 dps) in 1h 33 min |
| 14:14.27 | |Jelly| | Not gonna happen at T5 |
| 14:14.31 | kneeki | I thought that was damn good time |
| 14:14.33 | Redguard | i had ~2300 healing bonus on my druid |
| 14:14.47 | Redguard | i was solo healing it |
| 14:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, I can't be holy with these changes, it sucks. |
| 14:14.56 | Redguard | nah jelly |
| 14:15.07 | Redguard | a lot of guilds i know run it in 1 hour or less |
| 14:15.13 | Redguard | after nerf* |
| 14:15.20 | Shirik | I can, Lopeppeppy ! |
| 14:15.29 | Shirik | level your priesty |
| 14:15.35 | |Jelly| | Sans screenshots, I'm calling shenanigans. |
| 14:15.40 | Redguard | |Jelly| he was pullning 2-3 mobs at a time, which frustrated me |
| 14:15.44 | kneeki | lol |
| 14:15.52 | Redguard | taking about 200-300dps incoming |
| 14:15.54 | kneeki | I dont know about the 1 hour or less thing |
| 14:15.56 | kneeki | Maybe |
| 14:15.59 | Redguard | instead of stacking more mobs for chain pulls |
| 14:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | I have been, Shirik. A little 22 on Bloodhoof, and I'm considering transferring my paladin/priest/druid somewhere they can be useful too. |
| 14:16.05 | kneeki | but seriously, I chain pull it |
| 14:16.07 | Redguard | he'd go oom every other mob |
| 14:16.12 | Redguard | and it pissed me off |
| 14:16.12 | kneeki | it takes a few seconds to kill each pack I pull |
| 14:16.13 | |Jelly| | Note: You said "T5" I'm "T5" And we did it in ~1:50 with constant pulling. |
| 14:16.19 | Shirik | aww |
| 14:16.26 | Shirik | cute little 22 |
| 14:16.27 | Shirik | race? |
| 14:16.29 | Redguard | he had cups of tea in between each pull |
| 14:16.29 | kneeki | |Jelly|: Same here |
| 14:16.31 | Industrial | |Jelly|: pull more! |
| 14:16.34 | |Jelly| | Our problem with weak AoE. |
| 14:16.41 | Redguard | get better dps? |
| 14:16.54 | Redguard | each dps slot should be pushing at least 1.5k |
| 14:17.02 | Redguard | aoe 3k+ |
| 14:17.02 | Industrial | i wonder how a 10man pala only would be.. 7 ret dps 1 prot 2 holy |
| 14:17.05 | Redguard | makes for clean runs |
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| 14:17.44 | |Jelly| | Regardless of what you say, I'm still not going to believe you're pushing for 45 minute Kara raids, considering it takes like 10-15 minutes to run from the boor to Prince alone. |
| 14:18.02 | |Jelly| | s/pushing for/pushing/ |
| 14:18.05 | zenzio | they just kite the bosses to Prince's room |
| 14:18.13 | kneeki | Haha |
| 14:18.14 | Industrial | lol |
| 14:18.16 | kneeki | AoE them down =p |
| 14:18.36 | Redguard | |Jelly| you don't have to believe it, ask some raiding guilds |
| 14:18.41 | Redguard | they all do it |
| 14:19.09 | |Jelly| | That "raiding guilds" on my server don't run Kara so asking them is pointless. |
| 14:19.11 | Redguard | next time i get a decent run i will time it |
| 14:19.19 | Redguard | all the ones i know do |
| 14:19.25 | Redguard | they full clear weekly for badges |
| 14:19.30 | Redguard | sell gems |
| 14:19.44 | Redguard | just like my old guild pre-bc, we farmed MC weekly |
| 14:19.55 | |Jelly| | Congrats? |
| 14:19.56 | Redguard | even though we were the 2nd most progressed guild on my server |
| 14:20.05 | Redguard | MC back then, was what kara is now |
| 14:20.13 | Redguard | it gave us guild money and such |
| 14:20.21 | Redguard | sold some BoE, shards, etc |
| 14:20.41 | Redguard | so it's pretty common to see full t6 groups run kara, is all I'm pointing out |
| 14:21.01 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, my little 22 is a draeni. |
| 14:21.04 | kneeki | You should time it imo |
| 14:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | 62 is a dwaf, 55 is a NE druid, and of course Kirwan is a human holydin of dooms. |
| 14:21.53 | zenzio | what about the gnome? |
| 14:22.40 | Lopeppeppy | She's a rogue, and can't transfer servers. She has to stay on AD |
| 14:22.48 | Industrial | now i know its definately me wow server |
| 14:22.50 | Industrial | ping 19 on another. |
| 14:22.57 | zenzio | how come she can't transfer? |
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| 14:23.08 | Industrial | i was right all along!!!!11oneone Lopeppeppy Shirik|AFK hah! |
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| 14:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause she is the guild leader, and I love my best friend too much to completely leave. |
| 14:23.22 | bluspacecow | thought they relaxed the pvp to pve pve to pvp rule |
| 14:23.31 | |Jelly| | I think you're missing or well, decided to change the point -- I /don't believe/ a guild is pushing 45 minute Kara raids with a T5 tank. Simple as that. You can blather on all you like about how your guild used to farm MC all the time pre-BC but that doesn't change the fact that I don't believe you nor does it give your story any more credence. Really as simple as that. NAO, I must go get... |
| 14:23.33 | |Jelly| | ...ready to take my roomie to the doctor. Peppy and all the people in the NE, stay safe in the weird ass weather out there. <333 |
| 14:23.58 | Redguard | |Jelly| no a GUILD is not |
| 14:24.00 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.02 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs for Jelly* Hope the roomie is okay. |
| 14:24.04 | Redguard | I as not doing a guild run, am |
| 14:24.09 | Redguard | i run with t6 dps |
| 14:24.23 | Redguard | and this slack ass t5 pally tank |
| 14:24.26 | Redguard | was slow as balls |
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| 14:25.09 | Redguard | so jelly |
| 14:25.18 | Redguard | go away now, i don't care what you believe :) |
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| 14:25.52 | zenzio | careful about telling people to go away, however jokingly. Cairenn doesn't generally appreciate such remarks |
| 14:26.23 | Redguard | i dont know who cairenn is |
| 14:26.52 | zenzio | the channel dominatrix |
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| 14:26.58 | Redguard | sounds kinky |
| 14:27.19 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps, but thems her rules. |
| 14:27.23 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, ckknight. |
| 14:27.25 | Redguard | :) |
| 14:27.36 | Redguard | is there a special reason actionbuttons are checkbuttons instead of normal buttons |
| 14:27.51 | Redguard | any extended ability a checkbutton has that makes it more viable? |
| 14:28.20 | zenzio | think of On Next Melee abilities like Heroic Strike |
| 14:28.21 | ckknight | howdy, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:28.42 | zenzio | they stay checked until you swing and the ability is used |
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| 14:28.52 | Redguard | fair enough |
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| 14:29.07 | Redguard | i wasnt sure if that highlight ability was native to checkbutton or not |
| 14:29.10 | Redguard | suppose it makes sense |
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| 14:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, soufron |
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| 14:53.17 | soufron | Lopeppeppy, yo |
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| 15:09.53 | Wikwocket | ? |
| 15:13.52 | cbreak | what's with that obama spam? |
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| 15:19.50 | Wikwocket | Is the best way to use UnitAura() to loop from 1 to 40 calling it, breaking if a nil is returned? |
| 15:20.06 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, cogwheel |
| 15:20.13 | cogwheel | morning |
| 15:20.15 | nevcairiel | Wikwocket: yea |
| 15:21.03 | Wikwocket | Cool, I couldn't remember if buffs started at 0 or 1, and if a nil always meant the end of them |
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| 15:24.06 | Redguard | wik lua appears to prefer starting at 1 |
| 15:24.31 | Wikwocket | True, I am stuck in Java/C mode |
| 15:24.39 | Redguard | <= asm/c |
| 15:24.41 | Redguard | i feel the pain |
| 15:24.45 | Wikwocket | And paranoid about Obiwan errors |
| 15:29.16 | cbreak | argh, turalyon is down :( |
| 15:29.36 | Wikwocket | Azuremyst too |
| 15:30.29 | nevcairiel | my whole battlegroup supposedly has technical issues <.< |
| 15:31.52 | nevcairiel | man a pretty long list on realmstatus is down |
| 15:33.24 | cbreak | yeah :/ http://www.wow-europe.com/realmstatus/index.html?locale=en_gb |
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| 15:40.34 | Wikwocket | Hmmm anyone know what the variable SHOW_NEWBIE_TIPS is? I don't think it's actually the "beginner tips" popup bubbles |
| 15:41.52 | Redguard | loading screen tips, i think |
| 15:42.02 | Redguard | could be wrong |
| 15:42.08 | cogwheel | i thought it was detailed tooltips |
| 15:42.29 | Redguard | one or the other |
| 15:42.36 | Wikwocket | For one thing it seems to control tooltips when mousing over dropdowns, which was driving me crazy finding |
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| 15:44.32 | cogwheel | GlobalStrings.lua:OPTION_TOOLTIP_SHOW_NEWBIE_TIPS = "Show detailed information a |
| 15:44.35 | cogwheel | bout various user interface elements. Advanced players may want to turn this of |
| 15:44.39 | cogwheel | f."; |
| 15:45.00 | Wikwocket | Aha, awesome, thank you |
| 15:45.21 | Wikwocket | I was trying to google it to no success! |
| 15:45.27 | cogwheel | lern2grep |
| 15:45.28 | cogwheel | :P |
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| 15:46.57 | Shirik|AFK | Industrial? |
| 15:47.21 | Wikwocket | In case anyone is curious, SHOW_NEWBIE_TIPS is in the interface menu, under Help, as Beginner Tooltips |
| 15:47.57 | Wikwocket | and with it unchecked, I can't seem to get dropdown menu item mouseover tooltips to show, with it checked they show fine. |
| 15:48.22 | Shirik|AFK | wheeee |
| 15:48.26 | Industrial | Shirik|AFK: it was the server after all :P got ping 20 on another |
| 15:48.30 | Shirik|AFK | unexpected financial income of $1000 |
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| 15:48.56 | Industrial | nice \o/ |
| 15:49.21 | Lopeppeppy | Damn, that's nice Shirik! |
| 15:49.28 | Lopeppeppy | Unexpected student loan thingie? |
| 15:50.31 | Shirik|AFK | no actually |
| 15:50.35 | Shirik|AFK | a check from work I forgot about |
| 15:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | That's even more nice, it's not something to eventually pay back! |
| 15:50.55 | Shirik|AFK | then they send me a mail being "wtf you never deposited. take this." |
| 15:51.19 | Shirik|AFK | attached is a post it "deposit ASAP, thanks" |
| 15:51.34 | cogwheel | what's with the forums today? I see threads getting new posts but every time i open them there's nothing new... |
| 15:51.46 | Wikwocket | Must be zombies. Or ghosts. |
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| 15:52.08 | cogwheel | ironically, one of the "last post by" toons was "Mageyalook" |
| 15:52.09 | Drak[H|AD] | why wont this work? : MSChatTrigger:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_GUILD"); MSChatTrigger:SetScript("OnEvent", MSChat_GetMsg); |
| 15:52.41 | Industrial | I has a new UI http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7c5aba5c2b9d8d186592ca46c50efe26.jpg |
| 15:52.50 | cogwheel | Drak[H|AD]: it would work. assuming everything else about it is done correctly |
| 15:53.25 | cogwheel | (e.g. MSChatTrigger is a valid frame and MSChat_GetMsg is programmed correctly) |
| 15:53.34 | Drak[H|AD] | ok - the createframe looks like this: MSChatTrigger = CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 15:53.51 | Drak[H|AD] | and this is the function: function MSChat_GetMsg() message("hej?"); end |
| 15:54.20 | cogwheel | and MSChat_GetMsg exists before you set the script? |
| 15:55.10 | Drak[H|AD] | *stabs myself in the face with a fork* |
| 15:56.27 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, perhaps someone's posts were mass-deleted? Or the forums are haunted? |
| 15:56.39 | cogwheel | all forums |
| 15:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | Or... we've seen this behavior in the forums before, and they're having a crappy PMS server day. |
| 15:56.42 | cogwheel | a few threads |
| 15:58.53 | cogwheel | yeah... apparently i can't see any new posts unless i reply |
| 15:59.13 | Neuro_Medivh | forced participation, interesting |
| 16:00.37 | Redguard | lol |
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| 16:08.51 | Drak[H|AD] | anyone got an example on how to hook the chatframe? |
| 16:09.06 | Drak[H|AD] | my old one wont work :P |
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| 16:16.15 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dawn_of_the_noob.jpg |
| 16:16.42 | Gagorian- | Does anyone know if Maul (Macaroon author) uses IRC? |
| 16:17.20 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen maul |
| 16:17.22 | purl | maul <n=maul@catv5403B00C.pool.t-online.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 128d 23h 41m 33s ago, saying: 'and annma'. |
| 16:18.21 | Drak[H|AD] | hmm, got an addon that hooks the chatframe - but it results in an error in the ChatFrame.lua file |
| 16:20.11 | mikma | that's the most coolest errormessage ever |
| 16:21.15 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/test/WoWScrnShot_102908_181952.jpg |
| 16:21.55 | Drak[H|AD] | hehe |
| 16:23.07 | Fisker- | owld |
| 16:23.41 | mikma | no you are owl |
| 16:23.45 | cbreak | it's invalid |
| 16:23.51 | cbreak | no <head> |
| 16:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet |
| 16:24.04 | mikma | cbreak: you will give us <head>= |
| 16:24.08 | mikma | = = ? |
| 16:24.20 | cbreak | no. type it yourself. |
| 16:24.24 | Fisker- | = = = |
| 16:24.27 | Fisker- | you silly |
| 16:24.34 | mikma | you owl |
| 16:26.46 | leethal | "As a temporary solution to the current state of paladins in pvp, we're removing paladins from the game until further notice." |
| 16:27.01 | cbreak | there was a problem? |
| 16:27.23 | Mikk | retridins run around train oneshotting people |
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| 16:28.00 | mikma | mikk: right, and imagine a group of paladins doing that |
| 16:28.43 | Mikk | ah, good to see i'm not the only one having problems logging on to eu realms |
| 16:29.10 | cbreak | not good |
| 16:29.15 | cbreak | not for me... :) |
| 16:31.10 | Mikk | Wikwocket: If you're scanning buffs often, you may want to consider using the SpecialEvents-Aura lib. Having lots of addons scanning 40 buffs for 25 people in a raid, looking for changes, is not very efficient. |
| 16:31.48 | Wikwocket | Mikk: Mostly I just scan player buffs, only on a UNIT_AURA for the player, but I can check it out. What does the library do? |
| 16:32.07 | Mikk | Basically allows you to say "Call my function <foo> when buffs actually change" |
| 16:32.17 | Mikk | I don't know the details |
| 16:32.23 | Mikk | Could be that it actually tells you what came and went too |
| 16:32.28 | Wikwocket | Hrm |
| 16:32.38 | Mikk | I should find out tbh. I've just never needed to do it myself. |
| 16:32.45 | Mikk | Yeah I guess it's the latter |
| 16:32.53 | Mikk | Since the point is that not every addon should need to loop all buffs. |
| 16:33.49 | Mikk | Hm, specialevents hasn't been libstubified yet... it's ace2 :/ |
| 16:34.05 | Wikwocket | Is that bad? |
| 16:34.30 | Lopeppeppy | Go do it! |
| 16:34.31 | Mikk | Not per se. Depends on if your addon is ace2 already and if you mind including lots of libs. |
| 16:34.56 | Wikwocket | I do not have any libs in any of my mods |
| 16:35.06 | Wikwocket | All my bugs are 100% home-grown! |
| 16:35.23 | Mikk | It notifies you via AceEvent, which is largeish. And then you need both AceOO (large) and AceLibrary. |
| 16:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yay Wikwocket! |
| 16:35.49 | Mikk | While the equivalent libstubified would use libstub (tiny) and callbackhandler (very small) |
| 16:36.02 | Wikwocket | Hrm, maybe I will hold off for now then. |
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| 16:36.25 | Mikk | Like I said, it depends on how often and how much you scan. |
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| 16:37.29 | Mikk | Keep in mind though that all forms of hots and stuff are buffs |
| 16:37.34 | Mikk | So you do get the event fired quite a lot |
| 16:37.43 | Wikwocket | Well thanks for pointing it out to me |
| 16:38.12 | Wikwocket | I think what I should do first is use the CASTABLE filter where I can, and ensure I break when UnitAura returns nil instead of looping 40 times all the time |
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| 16:38.53 | Mikk | Ah, you're doing a rebuffing addon |
| 16:40.09 | Mikk | Then you can certainly cut down on how often you scan. |
| 16:40.09 | Wikwocket | Yup, AnnoyingBuffReminder |
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| 16:58.40 | |Jelly| | ~botsnack |
| 16:58.40 | purl | aw, gee, |Jelly| |
| 16:59.50 | Drak[H|AD] | hmm.. this MSThreatTrigger:SetScript("OnEvent", MSThreat_GetEvent) triggers CHAT_MSG_ADDON - but I cant seem to find the message :P I can get the event, prefix and sender |
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| 17:09.33 | Drak[H|AD] | is there a function to get the exact durability value of an item? |
| 17:09.46 | Syzgyn | value, max = GetInventoryItemDurability(id) |
| 17:10.32 | Syzgyn | id being the slot on your character frame |
| 17:11.18 | alestane | Is there also GetContainerItemDurability? |
| 17:12.32 | Syzgyn | value, max = GetContainerItemDurability(bag, index) |
| 17:12.41 | Drak[H|AD] | yea |
| 17:12.45 | Drak[H|AD] | I tried =) |
| 17:12.56 | Drak[H|AD] | weird that those arent listed on WoWWiki :P |
| 17:13.25 | Drak[H|AD] | Im gonna assume that max returns nil if the item has no durability - like the tabard? |
| 17:14.00 | cbreak | try it :) |
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| 17:14.38 | Drak[H|AD] | :P |
| 17:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | Station. |
| 17:15.11 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 17:15.20 | nevcairiel | You have some trigger that tells you when Lunessa joins so you can beat him to that? :) |
| 17:15.44 | Lunessa | Hah... no, they just watch the "join/leave messages" |
| 17:15.48 | Lopeppeppy | No. I'm just observant and notice when my friends are around. *smile* |
| 17:16.02 | Lunessa | And it's not like sbo's setting of an onjoin for me either. |
| 17:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm? |
| 17:17.25 | Lopeppeppy | Don't give him ideas. |
| 17:17.32 | Lunessa | Was it not you? |
| 17:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 17:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes that was me some time ago |
| 17:18.27 | nevcairiel | wtf is that, why do the EU forums show the time in PDT :( |
| 17:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Set your timezone |
| 17:19.21 | nevcairiel | I did when i logged in |
| 17:19.30 | nevcairiel | but its still a dumb default timezone for non-logged in |
| 17:20.19 | Wikwocket | It's Blizzard's time zone, arguably anything else could be construed as favorist? |
| 17:20.37 | Wikwocket | *favoratism |
| 17:20.44 | Wikwocket | *somebetterspelling |
| 17:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | phafurt |
| 17:21.32 | nevcairiel | Wikwocket: its EU forums, they should use Blizzard-Europe timezone :P |
| 17:21.56 | Wikwocket | Where is Blizzard Europe located? |
| 17:22.01 | nevcairiel | paris |
| 17:22.02 | Fisker- | Timezones are set in settings etc. |
| 17:22.02 | nevcairiel | CET |
| 17:22.26 | nevcairiel | (GMT+1) |
| 17:22.36 | Fisker- | GMT+10-9 |
| 17:23.34 | Wikwocket | Well, thet would make sense, or so would GMT maybe, but I bet it's just the forum default that no one updated |
| 17:23.46 | Wikwocket | Err the forum software's default default setting |
| 17:23.50 | Wikwocket | If that makes sense |
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| 17:28.47 | Lunessa | Wikwocket: You're thinking about this too hard. Have a coke and a smile. |
| 17:28.58 | Lopeppeppy | Look at that, cookies! |
| 17:29.01 | malreth | ~seen cide |
| 17:29.04 | purl | cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 19h 17m 21s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 17:30.30 | Industrial | login server down :| |
| 17:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | You are surprised? |
| 17:30.54 | Industrial | yes! cause its only on RavenFail |
| 17:31.11 | Industrial | and not on grim batol, boulderfist, vashj and azuremyst |
| 17:31.30 | Industrial | but i wanna play on ravenfail! :( |
| 17:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | Reminds me of a kid who only wants the flavor of ice cream that the shop doesn't carry. |
| 17:32.14 | |Jelly| | "[2] [Kolgar]: LFG Kara DPS Enh Shaman, 1150 AP" Now sure if that's a warning or not. |
| 17:32.14 | Dashkal | So last night I found out why I should stop QQing about feral DPS. We suck on the overall meters, it's true... because the mobs die too fast. I was consistently second on all bosses |
| 17:32.26 | Industrial | cept im paying for it nonetheless Lopeppeppy |
| 17:32.49 | Lunessa | They're doing rolling restarts today. |
| 17:33.31 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: 1150 AP is kid of on the low side for 70. |
| 17:34.14 | |Jelly| | s/Now/Not/ |
| 17:34.49 | duaiwe | |Jelly|: it is, although perhaps unintentionally. ;) |
| 17:34.58 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 17:35.11 | |Jelly| | By the way Lunessa, I screwed up my roomie's spec. |
| 17:35.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. |
| 17:35.26 | Lunessa | How can YOU screw it up? |
| 17:35.27 | |Jelly| | All because I didn't actually, you know, READ, Maelstrom Weapons or whatever it is. |
| 17:35.54 | |Jelly| | It's easy, you never gave me a post-patch spec so I made one myself. |
| 17:36.16 | Lopeppeppy | And I wasn't very effective in helping him stalk you. |
| 17:36.17 | Wikwocket | Lunessa: Thanks! I think I will go have a coke! |
| 17:36.19 | |Jelly| | However, as a healer/tank and having never dpsed, it's is of course flawed so I'm going to jack yours and give it to her. |
| 17:36.47 | |Jelly| | Peppy: Yeah you were. I got all the info I needed (his spec) |
| 17:37.05 | Lopeppeppy | Then how did you... nevermind. Peppy is better off not knowing some things. |
| 17:37.34 | Lunessa | Jelly - my live spec is ok. I will probably tweak it on the way to 80. |
| 17:37.38 | |Jelly| | How did I what? You gave me his shaman's name ... I looked it up ... fin. No children or animals were hurt in the stalking of Lunessa's shaman. |
| 17:38.51 | Industrial | http://www.armory-light.com/eu/Vashj/Xamth/ \o/ |
| 17:39.04 | Lopeppeppy | Then how did you get the spec not-right? Sooo confused. Must eat more crackers to compensate for lack of brain. |
| 17:39.30 | |Jelly| | I didn't spec into Maelstrom Weapons. |
| 17:39.32 | |Jelly| | There. I said it. |
| 17:39.38 | Industrial | LOL |
| 17:39.48 | Lunessa | Yeah. Maelstrom Weapon is pretty much AWESOME. |
| 17:39.54 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065148654&sid=1 |
| 17:39.57 | Industrial | thats a pretty big mistake :D |
| 17:39.59 | |Jelly| | I thought it said something along the lines of "On each successful SPELL CAST" when it said melee hit. |
| 17:40.01 | |Jelly| | So yeah. |
| 17:40.03 | |Jelly| | STFU! |
| 17:40.25 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel, malkorix is on the job already |
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| 17:41.08 | Lunessa | cogwheel: ... I'm taking the sun in the garden. But I don't know where to put it. |
| 17:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | ... /auto image off |
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| 17:43.46 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't need to imagine that. But to make sure... |
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| 17:56.05 | mikma | proditor: hi, nice addon. |
| 17:57.05 | Drak[H|AD] | lolsors: "IQ-test online fools youths" |
| 17:57.33 | mikma | drak[h|ad]: like, write "FAXMACHINE" when pressing alt? |
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| 18:01.15 | batrick | MentalPower: ping |
| 18:02.57 | Codex| | is there a way to lock the haunted mementos item from being thrown to other players? |
| 18:02.58 | Neuro_Medivh | I have discovered that Maelstrom Weapon is quite sexy |
| 18:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa concurs. |
| 18:04.09 | Neuro_Medivh | When they upped the timer to 30 seconds instead of 15, they made it SO much better |
| 18:04.31 | Dashkal | Some people have too much time on their hands: http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ghostcrawlervl7.jpg |
| 18:04.33 | Neuro_Medivh | though, I now have mana problems. I gotta spec into convection I think |
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| 18:07.13 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: My big problems are: Remembering to use Lava Lash often enough and remembering to put up Water Shield. |
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| 18:08.41 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, well, I have a macro that helps with the first, and ShockAndAwe helps with the second |
| 18:09.07 | Codex| | anyone using a replacement for 3.0+ for vipers player link menu? |
| 18:09.22 | Dashkal | question: with the items in forms, does anybody know of rage pots work in bear form now? |
| 18:09.36 | Lunessa | I tried a "cheater" macro and ended up with much lower dps. |
| 18:09.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Which was your cheater macro> |
| 18:09.55 | Neuro_Medivh | s/>/?/ |
| 18:10.13 | sacarasc | Neuro_Medivh: something like /castsequence Flame Shock, Lava Lash, Earth Shock, Lava Lash ? |
| 18:10.25 | Neuro_Medivh | nah, that's not the good cheater macro |
| 18:10.26 | sacarasc | sucks on trash, owns on bosses |
| 18:10.30 | Lunessa | Triggered my attack power trinket, then /castrandom Stromstrike, Lava Lash, Earth Shock |
| 18:10.39 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, castrandom is the good stuff |
| 18:10.46 | Neuro_Medivh | you just gotta SPAM that shit |
| 18:11.09 | Lunessa | I was spending most of my time with missed spells due to having issues with GCD. |
| 18:11.20 | Lunessa | I work better with them on three buttons. |
| 18:11.29 | Neuro_Medivh | the REAL cheater macro is using a G15 keyboard |
| 18:11.36 | Neuro_Medivh | but that's technically illegal |
| 18:11.54 | sacarasc | i'll keep my $10 keyboard ;p |
| 18:11.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, that's cool, I just keep forgetting like you |
| 18:12.03 | Neuro_Medivh | so I use castrandom |
| 18:12.20 | Neuro_Medivh | and for LB, I have a /cast Lightning Bolt /stopcasting macro |
| 18:12.49 | sacarasc | that's a pretty good idea |
| 18:12.54 | sacarasc | *steals it* |
| 18:12.55 | Lunessa | Yeah. Trying to work out a better rotation had me missing a lot of cooldowns and mashing Lava Lash more than Stormstrike... I was /sadpanda for DPS last night. |
| 18:13.22 | Neuro_Medivh | try Shock and Awe btw |
| 18:13.33 | Neuro_Medivh | it has priority windows, timer bars for everything, etc |
| 18:13.35 | Lunessa | I did. |
| 18:13.56 | Neuro_Medivh | ah. I keep the bar for Water Shield smack in the middle of the screen |
| 18:14.08 | Neuro_Medivh | so it tells me whenever WS drops |
| 18:14.33 | Lunessa | Didn't like it. I use MSBT & OmniCC to tell me when something is ready. I did like the Uptime stats thing. But I decided not to use it. |
| 18:14.49 | sacarasc | i just worked WS into my crappy rotation ;p |
| 18:15.05 | sacarasc | cast it about every 12 seconds |
| 18:17.38 | Lunessa | With the swing-timer, and the GCD indicator in Quartz + MSBT and OmniCC I'm getting all the notice I need. I just need to practice more since my rotation isn't "stormstrike macro" "earth shock" any more. |
| 18:18.17 | Lunessa | Also, I need to change my gear to reflect the changes to my +hit and the str-> attack power conversion. |
| 18:18.34 | Lunessa | I really need to get more agility, hit and crit. |
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| 18:19.25 | Angelnorn | dashkal, i think rage pots are warrior-only |
| 18:19.49 | Dashkal | Angelnorn: they didn't used to be (they had no Class: Warrior) tag. And they taunted me so since i knew I couldn't pop them |
| 18:19.58 | Dashkal | Haven't looked since 3.0 |
| 18:20.28 | zenzelezz | where the heck did all the monstrous kaliri go? Used to not be able to go anywhere in Skettis without pulling tons, now I can barely find them, and half of them vanish magically |
| 18:20.29 | Angelnorn | really? i thuoght they had the warrior tag before 3.0 |
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| 18:25.28 | KarlKFI | what triggers the popular star on wowi? X # of dl in Y days? |
| 18:26.27 | Xuerian | Being awesome triggers it. |
| 18:26.39 | zenzelezz | it's all about sucking up to Cairenn |
| 18:26.39 | Cairenn | X # of downloads, period |
| 18:26.45 | KarlKFI | ahh |
| 18:26.52 | KarlKFI | interesting |
| 18:27.00 | KarlKFI | what's X? |
| 18:27.11 | Lunessa | So, no sucking up is required? |
| 18:27.22 | Xuerian | Don't you wish you had known, Lunessa |
| 18:27.49 | Lunessa | Seeing as I have nothing uploaded to any UI site. :) |
| 18:28.02 | Lunessa | And I sucked up just on general principle. |
| 18:28.11 | KarlKFI | and is the star automatically removed if the mod is moved to the Outdated Mods category or after some time period of not being updated? |
| 18:29.35 | KarlKFI | is there any way to browse all the 'popular' mods? |
| 18:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Oh, Cairenn (or any other WoWI Admin), before I forget -again-, can you move one of my addons from 'WotLK Beta' to the 'Death Knight' category? here's the link: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10280-Runemaster.html |
| 18:31.03 | Cairenn | moving |
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| 18:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | thank you :) |
| 18:31.16 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 18:31.20 | Cairenn | sorry I forgot earlier |
| 18:31.26 | KarlKFI | i see the "new and updated" thing on the side of the addons page has a 'more' button, but the Top DL and Top Favs don't... |
| 18:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, I've forgotten to say something anyway, so no worries |
| 18:34.48 | sacarasc | Lunessa: slow! i did all my gear/gem/annoyance changing before 3.0 came out |
| 18:35.55 | Lunessa | sacarasc: Then you can thank people like me who tested in beta, and posted about it. :P But I had a hurricane and a move, so I haven't had time. |
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| 18:36.50 | sacarasc | i was in the PTR and tested it all myself :( |
| 18:37.00 | sacarasc | and sorry to hear about the hurricane |
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| 18:42.35 | Lunessa | It's all good, I just have had very little time to play Live and change out all my gear. |
| 18:44.58 | zenzelezz | /cower |
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| 18:46.04 | Lopeppeppy | It's snowing again, this is me wearing my crankypants about that. |
| 18:47.04 | zenzelezz | liar |
| 18:47.08 | zenzelezz | dinos don't wear pants |
| 18:48.00 | keias | omg I want snow. |
| 18:48.10 | keias | Share it, Lopeppeppy! |
| 18:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | Where do I fed ex it to, keias? |
| 18:48.50 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, this dino wears whatever she wants. |
| 18:50.06 | keias | Indiana. |
| 18:50.10 | keias | Northern. |
| 18:50.53 | Shirik | Snow is fun :( I miss it |
| 18:51.00 | Shirik | I haven't seen snow in about 4 years now |
| 18:51.44 | Lopeppeppy | keias, you'll get yours. Shirik, Casa Peppy is always open if you want to come see. |
| 18:51.45 | sacarasc | hmmm, that Shock and Awe addon loaded for me once, now doesn't \o/ |
| 18:51.47 | duaiwe | I kinda miss snow. I kinda don't. |
| 18:52.02 | Shirik | I don't think I can afford that, Lopeppeppy |
| 18:52.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ah well, maybe some other different later. |
| 18:52.34 | zenzelezz | we had the first snow for the season today. Chaos on the roads since, as usual, people put off changing to winter tyres |
| 18:53.14 | keias | Never soon enough, Lopeppeppy! |
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| 18:58.10 | p3lim | anyone with git experience here? |
| 18:58.21 | Lyn | nope! |
| 18:58.33 | p3lim | finally figured around the forking etc |
| 18:58.34 | zenzelezz | there are plenty of gits in here |
| 18:58.38 | zenzelezz | more on the forums |
| 18:58.38 | foxlit | grumble grumble |
| 18:58.38 | p3lim | changing remotes etc |
| 18:58.39 | Lyn | mikma, leberwurst! |
| 18:58.48 | NightHawktheSane | zenzelezz: zing :D |
| 18:58.49 | p3lim | now, how do i commit changes? |
| 18:58.52 | foxlit | evil physics homework actually making me think :( |
| 18:58.57 | p3lim | with a note and a proper diff etc |
| 18:59.01 | NightHawktheSane | p3lim: i bet the google knows |
| 18:59.20 | p3lim | im looking through the docs but i cant figure out much of it |
| 18:59.50 | mikma | lyn: schimanski! |
| 19:00.03 | Shadowed | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-commit.html ? |
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| 19:00.25 | Lyn | mikma, do you know what leberwurst is? :D |
| 19:01.46 | mikma | sausage that ledehosen-dudes eat |
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| 19:02.31 | Lyn | no! |
| 19:02.39 | Lyn | that is weiÃwurst, mikma |
| 19:02.47 | Lyn | leberwurst is a paste of liver |
| 19:03.26 | haste | Lyn: and it tastes awesome |
| 19:03.34 | mikma | lyn: love that stuff |
| 19:03.38 | Lyn | haste, haha :D |
| 19:03.46 | haste | especially with beet and mayo |
| 19:03.50 | Lyn | yeah its okay ;) not a big fan of it, but sometimes its cool |
| 19:04.37 | Lyn | i finally tried to install linux (ubuntu :X) on my laptop... works... except some issues xD i now wait for 8.10 and try it again |
| 19:04.40 | p3lim | ok i figured it out |
| 19:04.49 | p3lim | but it says unknown author |
| 19:05.11 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 19:05.14 | Shirik | how can you "commit" to git? |
| 19:05.25 | Dashkal | commit to local repos, push to remote one |
| 19:05.28 | Shirik | <-- obviously doesn't use git |
| 19:05.39 | Shirik | I thought you always had to pull? How do you push? |
| 19:05.56 | Dashkal | Have push access to a foreign repo and then it's literally git push |
| 19:06.02 | NightHawktheSane | shirik is one of those "pull at a push door" guys isnt he |
| 19:06.03 | Shirik | I thought the whole point of git was that there is no central repo |
| 19:06.05 | p3lim | Dashkal: what i did |
| 19:06.20 | Dashkal | sends all local commits to the foreign repo under the appropriate branch |
| 19:06.25 | Dashkal | This is a lil simplified but that's the idea |
| 19:07.09 | Dashkal | Shirik: There doesn't _have_ to be a central repo. You can certainly use it like that if so inclined. |
| 19:08.58 | cladhaire | Shirik: typically you will commit to your repo |
| 19:09.11 | cladhaire | and then either prepare patches, or expose your repo and ask someone to pull from it |
| 19:09.29 | cladhaire | you can centralize it and allow pushes, but that method of operation tends to be pretty rare |
| 19:09.30 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:09.41 | cladhaire | i.e. wowace, github, gitorious |
| 19:09.51 | cladhaire | when you're actively trying to centralize it |
| 19:10.27 | p3lim | well, how do i fix the 'unknown author' on pushes? |
| 19:10.32 | Dashkal | The way wowace/curseforge works you're pretty much forced to use it centralized. If a commit hook rejects a commit a ways in the past it's a pain in the ass fixing it |
| 19:10.47 | cladhaire | p3lim: Why on earth are you forking ouf? |
| 19:12.02 | p3lim | to commit my own changes |
| 19:12.10 | p3lim | haste asked me to do this |
| 19:12.19 | haste | ha? |
| 19:12.23 | haste | no I didn't |
| 19:12.26 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:12.33 | cladhaire | and that's whY i asked folks :P |
| 19:12.42 | p3lim | you said either give diff files or use git |
| 19:12.49 | cladhaire | ... |
| 19:12.55 | cladhaire | "using git" doesn't mean fork the project |
| 19:13.17 | NightHawktheSane | he was probably saying "give me the changes you want to make or commit the changes yourself" |
| 19:13.34 | cladhaire | NightHawktheSane: DING DING DING! We have a winner! :P |
| 19:13.44 | Dashkal | p3lim: let go of the centralized mentality. Once you git clone you have an entirely local repository that looks like the source one. You can just clone, make your changes, commit them locally, then have git make a patchfile to send to haste |
| 19:13.50 | NightHawktheSane | .. showering is your response to correctly interpreting english? :P |
| 19:13.53 | p3lim | haste: can i commit changes directly to your git? |
| 19:14.01 | haste | ofc not |
| 19:14.09 | haste | no-one besides me is allowed to do that |
| 19:14.15 | p3lim | ye |
| 19:14.29 | p3lim | what did you mean then when you said using git? |
| 19:14.41 | Shirik | git is too different :P |
| 19:14.48 | Shirik | Linus is evil |
| 19:14.52 | cladhaire | Shirik: no, you're a crusty bitch |
| 19:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | Snoopy is worse. |
| 19:14.58 | Shirik | yes I am *grins* |
| 19:15.00 | cladhaire | decentralized scm isn't new, and isn't lInus |
| 19:15.01 | NightHawktheSane | wow, thats harsh |
| 19:15.02 | Dashkal | Shirik: It's definitely a new way of thinking about a VCS, certainly. |
| 19:15.32 | cladhaire | p3lim: You can "clone" a repository on github without "forking" it.. and then ask haste to pull your changes in |
| 19:15.36 | cladhaire | this is the standard mode of development |
| 19:15.54 | p3lim | so, i just add a remote and push it? |
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| 19:16.18 | cladhaire | no, you ask haste to pull |
| 19:16.28 | cladhaire | "Forking" an open source project is not somethign to be done lightly |
| 19:16.43 | Esamynn | indeed |
| 19:16.47 | cladhaire | and its completely different than making a clone of a repository so you can commit code and present it tot he developer for inclusino into ythe project. |
| 19:17.32 | Lunessa | "forking" basically means "screw you guys, I'm taking the ball over here and doing this shit my way. fuckers." |
| 19:17.34 | |Jelly| | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/100076 |
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| 19:21.57 | Dashkal | cladhaire: is there any reasonable way to expose your repo for pulling? Cause that part has always struck me as the pita |
| 19:22.08 | cladhaire | its not hard to post it on the web, at all |
| 19:22.11 | cladhaire | git init --bare |
| 19:22.20 | cladhaire | then push to it via ssh |
| 19:22.28 | cladhaire | update the server info, and they can pull via http |
| 19:22.42 | cladhaire | http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/09/how-to-publish-git-repository.html |
| 19:22.45 | haste | using gitd is also nice |
| 19:22.47 | Dashkal | any documentation on that process? Maybe in the git ... perfect, danke |
| 19:22.55 | haste | tons~ |
| 19:23.02 | Dashkal | mmm, documentation nom om om om |
| 19:23.54 | cladhaire | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=publish+git+repository+http&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=publish+git+repository+ht is your friend |
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| 19:24.31 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 19:24.38 | cladhaire | anyone know what freecode-project is?> |
| 19:24.43 | bleeter | has anyone worked out why the Undead Slaying plate and leather shoulders are blue, and why the leather shoulders are the only Undead Slaying piece with a required level of 68? |
| 19:24.54 | Dashkal | I do love my my google, but that doesn't stop me from asking for a url in case anybody ran across an especially good one already :p |
| 19:25.26 | cladhaire | :P |
| 19:25.57 | bleeter | cladhaire: http://www.freecode.wikia.com/ ? |
| 19:26.14 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 19:26.28 | cladhaire | very.. informative |
| 19:26.30 | bleeter | cladhaire: found that URL via http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23freecode-project&net=freenode |
| 19:26.44 | bleeter | yeah, but hey.. it's a URL I found :P |
| 19:26.51 | cladhaire | huzzah! |
| 19:27.13 | p3lim | so, i clone, add my remote, then add the file i change, do a local commit, then push it to github |
| 19:27.14 | p3lim | right? |
| 19:30.12 | p3lim | haste: anything else than that I have to do? |
| 19:30.28 | p3lim | the site also says 'unknown author' of my pushes |
| 19:34.56 | Zariel | http://github.com/guides/home |
| 19:37.09 | p3lim | thanks zariel, ill take a look |
| 19:38.08 | nevcairiel | Who was running SpartanUI again? |
| 19:44.55 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: something that makes him evade his ban :P |
| 19:45.26 | cladhaire | Gnarfoz: fair enough :P |
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| 19:46.44 | Zergreth | pie! |
| 19:47.30 | Lopeppeppy | Cake! |
| 19:47.50 | Zergreth | yay |
| 19:47.58 | Zergreth | is Funkeh` actually funkydude from WoWI? |
| 19:48.40 | Shirik | ~cake |
| 19:48.41 | purl | the cake is a lie! |
| 19:48.45 | End | ~pie |
| 19:48.45 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 19:48.51 | Zergreth | <3 |
| 19:48.54 | NightHawktheSane | ~pi |
| 19:48.55 | purl | rumour has it, pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 19:49.00 | Zergreth | :/ |
| 19:49.02 | End | ~p |
| 19:49.02 | purl | [p] q and not q |
| 19:49.06 | NightHawktheSane | ~phi |
| 19:49.07 | purl | methinks phi is the golden number, (sqrt(5) + 1)/2, or approximately 1.618034. Only freaks call it tau |
| 19:49.52 | Shirik | ~j |
| 19:49.53 | purl | PicoBot: k |
| 19:49.58 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 19:50.04 | NightHawktheSane | ~j |
| 19:50.05 | purl | PicoBot: k |
| 19:50.10 | Shirik | ~factinfo j |
| 19:50.10 | purl | j -- created by gonk{class} <~brandon@Metro0276.client.mscd.edu> at Mon Feb 17 22:13:16 2003 (2080 days); it has been requested 27 times, last by NightHawktheSane, 5s ago. |
| 19:50.16 | Shirik | screw that |
| 19:50.34 | Shirik | Looks like something someone used to make a loop |
| 19:50.47 | NightHawktheSane | yeah |
| 19:51.19 | Shirik | purl, no, j is the imaginary number, defined as j^2 = -1, or more formally, e^(jw) = sin(w) + cos(w) |
| 19:51.20 | purl | Shirik: okay |
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| 19:52.52 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: can one disable the display of the quest objective nodes on the minimap? they are too fat and block some vital info, sometimes =P |
| 19:53.15 | Shirik | crap |
| 19:53.24 | Shirik | purl, no, j is the imaginary number, defined as j^2 = -1, or more formally, e^(jw) = jsin(w) + cos(w) |
| 19:53.25 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 19:53.53 | nevcairiel | its i damnit! |
| 19:54.10 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 19:54.13 | Shirik | ask MATLAB or Python |
| 19:54.33 | nevcairiel | just because some programmer on crack uses j doesnt make it true |
| 19:54.56 | Shirik | signal processing! |
| 19:55.02 | Josh_Borke | *sigh* |
| 19:55.26 | Shirik | Small-signal AC analysis! |
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| 19:55.37 | Shirik | Impedance analysis! |
| 19:55.42 | Shirik | None of this is programming! |
| 19:55.46 | Dewin | << The imaginary unit, denoted by i or j, is an example of an imaginary number>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_Numbers |
| 19:55.54 | Dewin | you both win. |
| 19:55.57 | Shirik | I should go there and remove all references of i |
| 19:56.01 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: do i need to pull out the xkcd comic about pure sciences? |
| 19:56.02 | Shirik | but I think I'd be banned |
| 19:56.22 | Shirik | signal processing isn't a pure science, it's practical. How do you think those noisee cancelling headphones work? |
| 19:56.36 | Dewin | Shrk: you mean, "but thnk 'd be banned"? |
| 19:56.36 | Josh_Borke | my point being that math guys do it first and they chose i |
| 19:56.44 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:56.53 | Shirik | Josh_Borke: And they chose wrong. |
| 19:57.01 | Dashkal | they defined the damn thing... |
| 19:57.09 | Dashkal | how can the possibly choose wrong? |
| 19:57.13 | Dashkal | they* |
| 19:57.13 | Shirik | Besides, they're all the way off the scale, remember? We can't see them, they're too far away. |
| 19:57.16 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: so i'd say that using j because you (being EE's) decided to use i to represent current is EE's being wrong |
| 19:57.31 | Josh_Borke | disclaimer, i got a degree in CmpE |
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| 19:57.54 | Shirik | disclaimer, I'm not an EE :) |
| 19:58.07 | Josh_Borke | at my school, EE and CmpE are basically the same program |
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| 19:58.13 | Shirik | yeah our school is a bit strange |
| 19:58.21 | Shirik | they have software engineering and comp. engineering grouped together, not EE/CE |
| 19:58.34 | Josh_Borke | interesting |
| 19:58.37 | Josh_Borke | you're still doing it wrong |
| 19:58.42 | Shirik | Hence why I'm going for BS CE, and Master SE |
| 19:58.56 | NightHawktheSane | wasn't j chosen because i already meant something in the given contxt? |
| 19:59.08 | Shirik | yes, current as a function of time |
| 19:59.23 | Josh_Borke | NightHawktheSane: yep |
| 19:59.48 | Shirik | ex, i(t) = 150sin(60w) |
| 20:00.04 | NightHawktheSane | so i guess they're still correct in choosing j, because i was already used, unless they chose i for that -after- it was chosen as the imaginary number, |
| 20:00.16 | Shirik | i(t) = 150e^(60w) |
| 20:00.20 | Shirik | jw* |
| 20:00.31 | Shirik | I'm certain they didn't know about electricity at the time they came up with i |
| 20:00.38 | Josh_Borke | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit#Alternative_notations |
| 20:00.39 | nevcairiel | somehow i think math was in before electrical current was even thought of |
| 20:00.42 | Shirik | However, that's their own fault. They should have been more aware of their surroundings |
| 20:01.05 | Josh_Borke | watch out f or the j = -i! |
| 20:01.28 | Dashkal | Just use ι :p |
| 20:01.33 | Shirik | In general, though, it's fairly straigtforward |
| 20:01.42 | Dewin | Dashkal: I don't care one iota for that notation. |
| 20:01.47 | Dashkal | lol |
| 20:01.47 | nevcairiel | Shirik: maybe whoever though of the current thingy had to be more smart =P |
| 20:02.07 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Thus why they should be allowed to override the stupid choice of i from earlier |
| 20:02.33 | Angelnorn | current is backwards to begin with |
| 20:02.34 | nevcairiel | so math has to fix the EE errors? |
| 20:02.35 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:02.39 | Shirik | no |
| 20:02.44 | Shirik | the math guys have to be more smart so they can understand current |
| 20:03.01 | nevcairiel | everything boils down to math, anyway |
| 20:08.06 | bleeter | Angelnorn: heh |
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| 20:30.44 | Shirik | Do you guys think that it would be pretty common that if an IRC server told you that you joined a channel (i.e., it send the JOIN :#wowuidev message), your client would respond by opening the window for that channel, even if you didn't try to join it? |
| 20:30.57 | Shirik | That's not really defined by the IRC protocol |
| 20:31.23 | Shirik | mirc appears to |
| 20:32.17 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 20:32.45 | Shirik | like if an IRC server spontaneously sent you JOIN :#wowuidev without your request |
| 20:32.50 | Shirik | do you think your client would open that window? |
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| 20:33.11 | nevcairiel | It should imho, redirects or server default-channels work that way |
| 20:33.25 | Shirik | oh, I didn't think about that |
| 20:33.26 | bleeter | yup, what nev said |
| 20:33.28 | Shirik | good :) |
| 20:33.44 | Shirik | I just wanted to make sure I wasn't exploiting some undefined behavior |
| 20:33.53 | bleeter | HAXORZ! |
| 20:34.20 | Shirik | if you enjoy hacking yourself, then sure :P |
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| 20:38.14 | Lunessa | hax! |
| 20:38.39 | Dashkal | I love how firefox 3 dies immediately on ctrl-q with no confirmation. wtb addon that disables that shortcut. Kill it, kill it dead |
| 20:39.45 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: I'll have Do-What-I-Want-Not-What-I-Tell-You addon out pronto :p |
| 20:39.51 | Dashkal | ctrl-w is right next to it, so I hit it accidently |
| 20:40.24 | Tem | I couldn't help myself |
| 20:40.26 | Tem | but it didn't die |
| 20:40.31 | Tem | something else ate the keypress |
| 20:40.35 | Tem | (probably this box) |
| 20:40.35 | Dashkal | ctrl-w at least has an "undo close tab" fallback. ctrl-q just kills it, and Cz along with it |
| 20:40.36 | NightHawktheSane | yeah, i do that all the time, cmd-w and cmd-q >< |
| 20:41.47 | Lunessa | Heh. In WoW I have Ctrl-F1-Ctrl-F5 bound to OPie rings. Heaven help me when I'm holding ALT by mistake... |
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| 20:42.12 | Amarande | OPie? |
| 20:42.22 | Dashkal | ouch |
| 20:42.31 | Dashkal | do de do de do I want my fourth ring... oops |
| 20:42.53 | Lunessa | ... OPie RULES. http://go-hero.net/opie/ |
| 20:42.54 | Dashkal | Sorry raid, I .. uh .. disconnected. Be right back |
| 20:43.09 | NightHawktheSane | fortunately, i don't have -that- problem on my mac. |
| 20:44.02 | Lunessa | Yeah, but my iMac at home or my G4 powerbook really can't handle WoW so I play on my Vista box. |
| 20:47.21 | mikma | lunessa: i still don't get the good usage of opie :O |
| 20:48.03 | Lunessa | mikma: It means I can have keybind/slect access to everything I want without cluttering my screen with buttons. |
| 20:48.12 | Tem | How do you help someone who is completely clueless |
| 20:48.29 | Tem | it's apparent to me that this guy should never have gotten this far in CSC classes |
| 20:48.31 | NightHawktheSane | Tem: put them out of your misery? |
| 20:48.31 | Tem | but he's my friend |
| 20:48.41 | Lunessa | On my Shaman Ctrl-f1 = Air totems. Ctrl-F2 = Earth Totems, etc. |
| 20:49.18 | foxlit | Tem: CSC? |
| 20:49.44 | foxlit | CS would make sense, but that's one C too few. |
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| 20:51.58 | Amarande | Yay for no more zombies |
| 20:52.37 | Tem | foxlit: I have no idea why, but we call it CSC around here |
| 20:52.42 | Tem | Computer SCience, I guess |
| 20:52.57 | Amarande | CSC ... isn't that cosecant? :) |
| 20:53.11 | foxlit | Cosecant is an evil name that needs to be put down out of kindness |
| 20:53.28 | Amarande | I'm a bit fuzzy off the top of my head what the secant and cosecant even are :| |
| 20:53.37 | Tem | 1/sin and 1/cos |
| 20:53.40 | foxlit | cos()^-1 |
| 20:53.42 | Tem | I never remember which is which |
| 20:54.01 | foxlit | it's actually sin |
| 20:54.21 | Tem | so no, really |
| 20:54.26 | Tem | how do I help this guy |
| 20:54.31 | mikma | http://humorland.wordmess.net/20081025/what-the-real-crisis-is-like/ |
| 20:54.32 | foxlit | but anyway, grab arcsin while we're removing things from notation. sin^-1() and sin()^-1 should be good enough for anyone :) |
| 20:54.40 | Tem | I have no idea how to explain to him how to implement a 2-3-4 tree without doing it for him |
| 20:54.55 | foxlit | Balancing trees are evil. |
| 20:55.02 | Tem | I like them in general |
| 20:55.09 | foxlit | Well, not evil, but still a rather nasty subject. |
| 20:55.10 | Tem | but B trees are my least favorites |
| 20:55.21 | foxlit | Find the rules |
| 20:55.29 | Tem | he understands them on paper |
| 20:55.37 | Tem | but is clueless in implementation |
| 20:55.43 | foxlit | So it's just a case of can't-code-worth-anything? |
| 20:55.48 | Tem | hence my assertion that he doesn't belong at this level of csc |
| 20:55.50 | Tem | exactly |
| 20:55.56 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 20:56.10 | foxlit | Meh, suggest changing to Math & Tech instead? |
| 20:56.24 | Tem | he's an EE major |
| 20:56.29 | Tem | Electrical Eng. |
| 20:56.38 | Tem | but they make them take up to this class in CS |
| 20:56.44 | foxlit | I bet that's closer to physics than CS. |
| 20:56.50 | Tem | it is |
| 20:56.52 | foxlit | (making them take algorithms is... nasty) |
| 20:57.00 | Tem | agreed |
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| 20:57.37 | foxlit | But basically, what you actually need is an Introduction to Programming course if he can't put the working model in his head into notepad. |
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| 20:59.56 | Tem | he took one |
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| 21:00.07 | Tem | I have absolutely no idea how he passed it |
| 21:00.09 | Tem | OH WAIT |
| 21:00.12 | Tem | I do know how |
| 21:00.23 | Tem | The "programming" assignments were like this: |
| 21:00.31 | foxlit | You know, slashdot comments linked to an interesting paper about Introduction to Programming courses. |
| 21:00.50 | Tem | Instructor took a functioning program and deleted some sections |
| 21:00.55 | haste | and then I was like: |
| 21:00.59 | Tem | assignment was to make it work again |
| 21:01.11 | Tem | which is FUCKING DUMB |
| 21:01.16 | Tem | you don't learn anything that way |
| 21:01.21 | Tem | which is pretty clear to me now |
| 21:01.39 | foxlit | That paper seems all the more interesting; it's a pity it'll be a pain to find |
| 21:01.50 | foxlit | Survey of british university courses noted that those "should" have had around 50% people fail, but university policy prevents that from happening (entry-level course, after all) |
| 21:02.16 | foxlit | What they concluded is that based on historic data, that failure% isn't getting any better, either; no matter how people varied the approach to teaching the course. |
| 21:02.19 | Tem | foxlit: ? |
| 21:02.40 | foxlit | It's all entirely forth-hand, so I wouldn't rely on the story too much :) |
| 21:03.01 | Tem | what is "those?" |
| 21:03.16 | foxlit | http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf |
| 21:03.20 | Tem | "... courses noted that those "should" have had around 50% people fail" |
| 21:03.22 | foxlit | behold, the power of google |
| 21:03.40 | foxlit | "In particular, most people canât learn to program: between 30% and 60% of every university computer science departmentâs intake fail the ï¬rst programming course.1" |
| 21:03.56 | foxlit | "1 Nowadays in the UK one has to say that they ought to fail, but because of misguided Quality Assurance procedures and the eï¬orts of colleagues who doggedly believe in the normal curve, very many of them are mistakenly and cruelly âprogressedâ into following courses." |
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| 21:04.57 | Tem | I like this statement: |
| 21:05.15 | Tem | We point out that programming teaching is useless for those who are bound to fail and pointless for those who are certain to succeed. |
| 21:05.18 | Shirik | this is an interesting error message |
| 21:05.23 | Shirik | core.lua:73: calling 'getName' on bad self (userdata expected, got userdata) |
| 21:05.41 | Shirik | userdata expected, got userdata |
| 21:05.43 | Shirik | ty |
| 21:05.43 | Tem | core.lua is an evil file name |
| 21:06.02 | Tem | shirik, most likely the type of userdata was wrong |
| 21:06.09 | Tem | like you gave a tooltip where it wanted a texture |
| 21:06.22 | Tem | (that used to crash the whole thing) |
| 21:07.14 | Thrae | Tem: Warhammer's built-in interface uses Source.lua in subdirectories, such as PlayerWindow/Source/Source.lua, PlayerWindow/Texture/Texture.dds, etc. With only the main .mod (.toc equilevent) file in the root. |
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| 21:07.36 | Amarande | Shirik: "Read error: 0 (Success)" |
| 21:07.39 | Shirik | It's my undersatnding of the Lua API that's wrong, actually, Tem |
| 21:07.47 | Shirik | luaL_checktype(L, idx, LUA_TUSERDATA); |
| 21:07.54 | Shirik | I would expect that would only check that it's a userdata |
| 21:08.16 | Tem | there's another version of that |
| 21:08.24 | Shirik | ah, Lua makes a distinction between LUA_TUSERDATA and LUA_TLIGHTUSERDATA |
| 21:08.25 | Tem | that checks that it has a particular metatable |
| 21:08.31 | Tem | that too |
| 21:08.41 | Tem | but wow doesn't give you any real userdata anyway |
| 21:08.45 | Shirik | not WoW :) |
| 21:08.46 | Tem | it's all light |
| 21:08.49 | Tem | oh |
| 21:08.54 | Tem | well there you go |
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| 21:09.23 | Shirik | sigh |
| 21:09.27 | Shirik | this is going to take forever |
| 21:09.53 | foxlit | really? Don't start! |
| 21:10.27 | Shirik | :( |
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| 21:10.40 | Shirik | yay |
| 21:10.44 | Shirik | Forever is over |
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| 21:11.40 | Shirik | now that that's done |
| 21:11.46 | Tem | Thrae: *stab* |
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| 21:12.45 | Tem | wow, foxlit |
| 21:12.48 | Tem | this paper is awesom |
| 21:12.49 | Tem | e |
| 21:12.53 | Thrae | Tem: I was just pointing out a professional use of a similiar concept to "core.lua", which I thought you'd find interesting because of your views on the subject. |
| 21:13.35 | Tem | Thrae: in my experience companies who choose to use Lua in their games do so without staff on hand who are already familliar with Lua |
| 21:13.47 | Tem | as a result, they do STRANGE things until they get comfortable in Lua land |
| 21:14.17 | MadsL | hmm, im trying to make this macro that will trigger upon a event, but since i get no response when i trigger the event i guess i have done something wrong. (or is it even possible to do a "onevent" in a macro?) link: http://pastebin.com/m65b05fee |
| 21:14.18 | Tem | For an example of this, See FrameXML from Wow 1.0 |
| 21:14.42 | Tem | for another example, check out how Electro added Lua bidings |
| 21:14.49 | Hirsute | MadsL: I don't think macros are supposed to be able to be trigged by events. |
| 21:14.56 | foxlit | MadsL: you can do that. |
| 21:14.57 | Hirsute | Could be wrong, however. |
| 21:15.02 | foxlit | But your syntax is pretty broken |
| 21:15.10 | MadsL | it is? |
| 21:15.34 | Tem | foxlit: it describes my experiences in CS courses almost exactly |
| 21:15.35 | foxlit | You're missing the final end; also omitted /run |
| 21:15.36 | Thrae | Tem: With regards to WAR, your experience is wrong. WoW is a bad example because not only was Lua more of a last-minute addition, it helped champion the use of it in future modifable engines. |
| 21:16.04 | Tem | people who can learn excel while those who can't just flail and make those who can learn suffer |
| 21:16.05 | foxlit | Also, ST must be a frame to begin with, and STF must be a table. |
| 21:16.33 | foxlit | Tem: yeah, it looked good :) |
| 21:16.46 | Tem | Thrae: whatever the case is, I think using filenames like that is ambiguous and bad |
| 21:17.22 | MadsL | what do you mean with that it must be a frame? Can't i create the frame from there? |
| 21:17.42 | foxlit | You can, but the code you linked does not. |
| 21:17.50 | MadsL | ye ok.. |
| 21:20.22 | Thrae | Tem: However, I tend to agree, I don't like core.lua, source.lua, main.lua, etc. unless its used automagically somehow. Unless you can't find a way to live without the evil Utils.lua, in a decently large project, each Lua file should be its own object, and be named as such. |
| 21:20.45 | Thrae | Just not SuperDuperLongImpossibleCamelizationObjectName. |
| 21:23.51 | MadsL | http://pastebin.com/m431aed09 Better? |
| 21:23.55 | MadsL | ups |
| 21:23.59 | MadsL | without color |
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| 21:24.46 | MadsL | still no result |
| 21:25.02 | foxlit | you also need to register the event. |
| 21:25.20 | MadsL | there is a ST:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_FOCUS_CHANGED") |
| 21:25.29 | MadsL | in that... |
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| 21:27.36 | MadsL | it just seem pretty correct |
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| 21:32.29 | MadsL | i mean, if you tare it down, its Define Variables, Create a frame, Register the event, set a script to the event and the function to call when the event is called. http://pastebin.com/m6673369a |
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| 21:33.08 | foxlit | assuming PLAYER_FOCUS_CHANGED actually fires, it should work, then. |
| 21:34.27 | MadsL | ahh tried with "UNIT_SPELLCAST_START", and that did say "oh my!" |
| 21:34.36 | MadsL | wonder why it is not called when i change target |
| 21:34.48 | foxlit | Because FOCUS is not TARGET |
| 21:35.31 | MadsL | ahh |
| 21:35.32 | MadsL | lawl |
| 21:35.33 | MadsL | my bad |
| 21:36.03 | Hirsute | Anyone know of any addons that are known to cause the Calendar icon not to be displayed on the Minimap? |
| 21:36.38 | Angelnorn | anything that hides the old sun/moon icon |
| 21:36.54 | Hirsute | Angelnorn: Hrmmm. Good to know. I'll look through that. |
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| 21:37.03 | Hirsute | s/through/for |
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| 21:46.34 | Kraps | people who go to starting areas other than their own just dont do their own starting area's quests? |
| 21:47.21 | bleeter | they could be going for early rep gains |
| 21:47.48 | bleeter | or have done their 'own' starting area so many times they'd rather pull their eyes out |
| 21:50.33 | Kraps | lol i have the opposite issue: i hate the ne starting areas so i moved my hunter to sw. hes level 19; should i abandon the quests from there and start westfall for example? |
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| 21:52.01 | erikd | i usually do the NE starting quests on all my characters because that's what I'm most familiar with |
| 21:52.20 | erikd | I don't even know the dwarf/gnome or human areas |
| 21:52.38 | Kraps | all my toons are human |
| 21:53.03 | Kraps | except shaman hunter druid |
| 21:56.04 | Dashkal | good GC post in the feral forum: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/2/12065146837-ghostcrawler--any-news.html The news isn't really all that hot but it gives a lot of information about dev thinking on the spec |
| 21:56.05 | Fisker- | GC, The destroyer of palas |
| 21:56.05 | Fisker- | :( |
| 21:56.05 | Kraps | heh |
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| 21:56.22 | Remaxer|PT | ...im still in doupt if i should stick to eCastBars or switch to Quartz |
| 21:56.32 | Fisker- | QUARTZ |
| 21:56.33 | Dashkal | bah, had they undershot and buffed up the pala QQ would be much much less |
| 21:56.39 | Kraps | so for example, can i get the bear form quest in stormwind? |
| 21:56.48 | Dashkal | Too many paladins thought that the OP level was 'deserved' due to sucking for so long |
| 21:57.12 | Fisker- | holy palas were ~never OP |
| 21:57.13 | Remaxer|PT | Kraps bear form u can only get by doing a druid quest in Moonglade |
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| 21:57.25 | Kraps | crap |
| 21:57.36 | Dashkal | I've never considered them underpowered either *shrugs* |
| 21:57.39 | Remaxer|PT | Level 10 you should get the bear quest |
| 21:58.08 | Kraps | so hunter quests would also be only in Moonglade? |
| 21:58.17 | Remaxer|PT | No.. |
| 21:58.26 | Remaxer|PT | Moonglade is Druid "HomeCity" |
| 21:58.33 | Kraps | ah |
| 21:58.48 | Dashkal | Still think moonglade should be rested for druids... |
| 21:58.57 | Remaxer|PT | It ain't? |
| 21:59.02 | Dashkal | Not a rest area in it |
| 21:59.08 | Remaxer|PT | Hmm never noticed |
| 21:59.18 | Dashkal | Bugged me all through leveling |
| 21:59.21 | erikd | holy pallies weren't OP when they could never run out of mana no matter how hard they tried? |
| 21:59.31 | Remaxer|PT | i must have been there like 5 times MAX in my whole 3 years of WoW lol |
| 21:59.48 | Kraps | any of you hunters who spec marks? |
| 21:59.58 | Dashkal | I'm still in there pretty often since it's the easiest place to respec. |
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| 22:00.23 | Remaxer|PT | Im always in SW |
| 22:01.02 | Remaxer|PT | BTW |
| 22:01.45 | Remaxer|PT | do the NPC of your faction still insult Death Knight when the walk in the city? |
| 22:02.02 | erikd | if you don't do the quest they do |
| 22:02.15 | Remaxer|PT | And do they atack? |
| 22:02.22 | erikd | i don't think they attack |
| 22:02.27 | erikd | they just spit on you and throw things |
| 22:02.58 | Remaxer|PT | Yeah....buhh the guy who came to the dark side to assist them lol |
| 22:03.14 | Remaxer|PT | lol |
| 22:03.59 | Remaxer|PT | Ok...only thing left is my Unitframe...i dunno why but i never understood Pitbull |
| 22:04.49 | erikd | i've always wanted to replace xperl with pitbull, i just miss the features of xperl too much (and I don't want to spend the time setting up pitbull) |
| 22:05.49 | Remaxer|PT | i used xperl for a long time...and ag_unitframe...i installed once pitbull and saw all those options and what so ever |
| 22:06.03 | Dashkal | ooo, hope for actually showing my gear: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/2/11829579415-feral-druid-need-a-fair-chance-at-visual.html |
| 22:06.18 | Dashkal | Dunno if it'll happen (or if it even _can_ happen), but cool that it's actively on the table |
| 22:07.15 | Remaxer|PT | Now that you talk about it...all our druids look the same almost lol |
| 22:07.40 | erikd | wtb different visuals for moonkin and resto druids too |
| 22:08.04 | Dashkal | But I just don't see the gear happening. It'd be nice, but how the hell would you display the gear on models in completely different shapes to what the artwork was designed for? |
| 22:08.13 | Dashkal | Distortion city |
| 22:09.03 | erikd | what they could do is have like an average ilvl of what you have equipped and have an armor set that gets shown based on that |
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| 22:09.12 | erikd | it won't help every druid look unique but it'll do a little |
| 22:09.36 | Dashkal | eh, I wouldn't much care for that simply because I wouldn't want to look identical to every other feral at my tier |
| 22:10.03 | Dashkal | A compromise would be to make druid tier gear actually show, though. Much less work than all gear (since they'd skin for those models and those pieces specifically) |
| 22:10.28 | erikd | it'll be interesting to see what they decide, i can't imagine a completely new model for every item |
| 22:10.35 | cogwheel | somebody link something cool |
| 22:11.01 | Dashkal | for every item, not a chance. I just can't see that happening. But for some, specific items, or maybe a slot or two that doesn't distort too badly (Tabards? Belts? Boots?) |
| 22:11.02 | erikd | http://news.ycombinator.com/ |
| 22:11.06 | Remaxer|PT | http://z0r.de/?id=1321 |
| 22:11.48 | ZorbaTHut | nevcairiel, you can make 'em smaller, but that's it |
| 22:11.55 | KarlKFI | lol cogwheel... bored? |
| 22:11.58 | erikd | that's still 2 (to 4) new models per item in a druid set |
| 22:12.01 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:12.07 | KarlKFI | is that a yes? |
| 22:12.23 | cogwheel | just a little :) |
| 22:12.25 | Dashkal | erikd: I chose things that may well be adaptable. Not new models. |
| 22:13.12 | Dashkal | Tabards all have one model that gets skinned. So one new model there for every single one. Belts are literally painted on. Paint it around my waist. Boots can be attached to the feet since they are similar to humanoid feet |
| 22:13.23 | erikd | based on the graphical look and stats for items it'd make more sense for the big 5 |
| 22:13.41 | Remaxer|PT | well im back in wow finishing my new interface |
| 22:13.45 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.49 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: meh, also i noticed something annoying in the pathing algorithm. It doesn't account for quest turnins until the quest is actually completed, so it changes you route whenever you finish a quest, pretty annoying, and probably inefficient too |
| 22:13.50 | Dashkal | Chest is near impossible. We're horizontal, and in the case of the bear a completely different torso shape. Helm is similar |
| 22:13.51 | Remaxer|PT | il post it later.....maybe |
| 22:13.52 | Remaxer|PT | lol |
| 22:13.56 | NightHawktheSane | >.> am i the onlyl one who thinks boots and a belt would look dumb as SHIT on a bear or cat? |
| 22:14.11 | erikd | nighthawk: i was thinking the same thing, tbh |
| 22:14.12 | ZorbaTHut | nev, what do you mean, "account for quest turnins"? |
| 22:14.14 | Dashkal | NightHawktheSane: oh probably. Just discussing what would be possible technically |
| 22:14.17 | kd3 | anyone know what the new beta build number is? |
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| 22:14.39 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: doesn't matter. it'd look like those poor dogs whose retarded owners think its cute to dress them up |
| 22:14.45 | Dashkal | Ideally we'd get barding, but... yea. Adapting existing models to do it just isn't happening |
| 22:14.55 | NightHawktheSane | Yeah |
| 22:15.01 | NightHawktheSane | Some nice styled barding would be hot |
| 22:15.16 | Amarande | just whatever you do, don't make fun of moonkins' weight |
| 22:15.17 | NightHawktheSane | and honestly, I think that's the only route blizzard would take. |
| 22:15.18 | Amarande | one might sit on you |
| 22:15.28 | Dashkal | Unless of course they restricted it to very specific pieces of hear (IE Tier gear) in which case they could do it without an insane amount of work |
| 22:15.33 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: When i finish a quest (aka collect the last quest item, or kill the mob) it adds a new node to my route where i'm supposed to turn that quest in, and get my reward. But that node is only added when i actually finish the quest, so it has to recalc the whole route <.< |
| 22:15.40 | Dashkal | gear* |
| 22:15.56 | foxlit | kitty in boots! |
| 22:16.04 | erikd | but that's what i was talking about with the ilvl, it'd be like barding |
| 22:16.14 | erikd | you'd have different armor based on that |
| 22:16.23 | NightHawktheSane | eh, it doesn't have to be blandly ilvl based |
| 22:16.37 | erikd | it'd save work :) |
| 22:16.41 | NightHawktheSane | you can specifically model any piece of gear to show up as an appropriate piece of barding on any model |
| 22:16.41 | Dashkal | I wouldn't be happy with ilvl, since it makes my gear choice irelevant to how I look |
| 22:16.52 | NightHawktheSane | i mean hell, if blizzard wanted, they could make boots show up as gloves :p |
| 22:17.05 | Dashkal | Which, well, completely ignores half the issue of wanting gear to show :p |
| 22:17.07 | erikd | don't think of it solely as a feral, either |
| 22:17.15 | erikd | moonkin and trees are the same |
| 22:17.23 | ZorbaTHut | nevcairiel, I think you have some weird filter on - it doesn't do that by default |
| 22:17.24 | Dashkal | rees and moonkins look pretty bizarre shape-wise |
| 22:17.31 | Dashkal | put gear on them and it'll look distorted as all hell |
| 22:17.35 | NightHawktheSane | eh, moonkins are actually reasonably humanoid like |
| 22:17.38 | Dashkal | which is likely why you don't see it |
| 22:17.39 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: i didnt touch any filters :p |
| 22:17.41 | Dashkal | NightHawktheSane: fatass |
| 22:17.43 | ZorbaTHut | i.e. it does post the completion node |
| 22:17.49 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: no fatter than ogres |
| 22:17.50 | Dashkal | you'd have serious horizontal distortion |
| 22:18.01 | NightHawktheSane | well, you'd obviously need special models of course |
| 22:18.05 | Dashkal | NightHawktheSane: Ogres would have the same issue. Their armour is built for them |
| 22:18.20 | Dashkal | I'm talking about the skins, not the models. |
| 22:18.26 | Dashkal | You still have to make the texturing work |
| 22:18.33 | NightHawktheSane | but I'd argue that the work to adapt any given model to a moonkin is less work than adapting it for a tree. |
| 22:18.51 | End | it just occured to me I haven't reported that strange combat log bug of mine |
| 22:18.52 | NightHawktheSane | well i mean both the model & texture when i say 'model' |
| 22:19.07 | nevcairiel | oh well only 100 quests left for my achievement and i'll dump QH again anyway, way to resource hungry for my taste |
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| 22:20.31 | ZorbaTHut | out of curiosity, is it memory or cpu you have trouble with? |
| 22:20.41 | Dashkal | The issue comes down to the fact that if you cannot find a way to sanely distort the textures to the moonkin form, you're gonna have to go redo them.... Considering how many pieces of chest armour exist... Yeah, just not worth the time it would take |
| 22:21.06 | nevcairiel | the mem increasing rates are insane, i run a constant 100 KiB/s when QH is on |
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| 22:21.16 | ZorbaTHut | it levels out quickly, unless there's a new bug |
| 22:21.27 | ZorbaTHut | what's it reaching? |
| 22:22.30 | nevcairiel | currently its on 20mb with a 70kb increasing rate |
| 22:22.32 | NightHawktheSane | Dashkal: well, arguably, they could get away with only doing models for helm, shoulder, chest, and pants. |
| 22:22.57 | ZorbaTHut | that's about normal operating. does it get much above that? |
| 22:23.04 | Dashkal | go do a wowhead search for any one of those slots with a "Usable by: Druid" and see just how much work that would be |
| 22:23.06 | NightHawktheSane | it'd still be a -lot- of work modeling for moonkin, cat, bear, and tree form, though |
| 22:23.16 | Dewin | Wouldn't antlers suddenly trying to poke out of your helm kind of destroy it? |
| 22:23.25 | Dashkal | It's not impossible. But its very much infeasable |
| 22:23.37 | NightHawktheSane | Dewin: the models would, of course, be designed specifically around the individual form model :P |
| 22:23.42 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: nah the GC eats it away all the time, but the increasing rate doesnt go down, and that kinda worries me :P |
| 22:23.55 | Dewin | I want to be able to eyes of the beast and tell my cat to /dance. |
| 22:24.01 | ZorbaTHut | then it's not actually allocating any more memory, is it? :P |
| 22:24.08 | erikd | dewin: draenei and tauren do that already |
| 22:24.17 | ZorbaTHut | QH has some caching that allocates and deallocates. just part of the system. |
| 22:24.23 | nevcairiel | but using CPU to free that memory and alloc it again |
| 22:24.53 | Dewin | erikd: draenei and tauren supposedly have equipment that's already... altered. Druid shapeshifting is a case of suddenly having something that wasn't there before ;) |
| 22:24.58 | ZorbaTHut | so you think the CPU usage is extensive, not the memory usage? have you tried /qh perf 50% to see if that reduces any framerate issues? |
| 22:25.08 | nevcairiel | i dont have framerate issues |
| 22:25.16 | erikd | it's magical equipment! |
| 22:25.22 | ZorbaTHut | so wait |
| 22:25.36 | nevcairiel | I just dont like my memory usage spiking like that, and the GC doing a full collection cycle due to hitting the limit |
| 22:25.36 | ZorbaTHut | despite the fact that the memory usage is increasing, you're worried about memory usage increasing |
| 22:25.48 | ZorbaTHut | despite the fact that your framerate is being untouched, you're worried about the CPU being excessively used |
| 22:25.52 | ZorbaTHut | I can't help with paranoia ;) |
| 22:25.59 | ZorbaTHut | (*isn't increasing, on the first one) |
| 22:26.14 | Remaxer|PT | ok...grid should really have a test mode...anytime i want to configurate my Grid i have to be in a raid group :( |
| 22:26.20 | Remaxer|PT | or is there a test mode? |
| 22:26.28 | ZorbaTHut | qh goes to a lot of trouble to not actually slow down the game at all, but . . . past that, there's not much I can do. shrug. |
| 22:26.45 | nevcairiel | the memory is increasing, just that the GC eats it. but the GC doesnt run during combat, so it really goes high up there |
| 22:27.09 | Dashkal | Remaxer|PT: It's been discussed. Adding support for a test mode is actually pretty difficult. Takes more work than the payoff when you can just head into AV and get an instant 40man |
| 22:27.18 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, okay, I'll check into that. it *shouldn't* be relying on the GC all that much |
| 22:27.23 | nevcairiel | well the background GC doesnt run during combat, but the full cycles on limit still do |
| 22:27.51 | Amarande | Dashkal: actually, on some battlegroups, av is anything but instant |
| 22:27.55 | Amarande | remember stormstrike horde side in 2.3? :) |
| 22:27.56 | Remaxer|PT | Well yeah i do that all the time...and i can imagine the difficulty..but would really be a good feature |
| 22:27.59 | Dashkal | You can even be productive in AV while you do it (I tend to configure grid while defending a tower) |
| 22:28.21 | nevcairiel | my increasing rate usually runs at 100 KiB/s, then at some point it shows -500 or so when the GC actually eats the stuff, and then continues on 100 =P |
| 22:28.38 | nevcairiel | thats not good caching, imho :) |
| 22:29.10 | nevcairiel | (and only because _my_ system is fast enough to not worry about CPU of that, doesnt mean i cant worry on general principle :P) |
| 22:29.10 | kd3 | heh, people are trying to mess with auc. there's a whole bunch of spicy talbuk steak up on the ah for 500g a stack |
| 22:29.21 | ZorbaTHut | there's no real good way to determine when the cache needs to be cleared, so once in a while it clears some of the oldest stuff |
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| 22:29.48 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I'll worry when someone complains about an actual performance problem with it ;) |
| 22:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | leaking memory in combat, though, is an issue |
| 22:30.10 | AbsoRayne | Is there a known issue with PitBull for MAC users or something? |
| 22:30.30 | kd3 | what's it doing? |
| 22:30.39 | kd3 | shouldn't matter what the underlying os is... >.> |
| 22:30.45 | NightHawktheSane | a) I assume you mean "Mac", it's not an acronym. b) no. there is not. |
| 22:30.46 | Dewin | Zorba: I've managed to get my questhelper thinking I can get bloodberries from mobs that are nearby them in the SSO dailies. |
| 22:31.27 | Amarande | Dewin: that's nothing new |
| 22:31.29 | AbsoRayne | kd3: I get mixed reports of it working on Macs and nots |
| 22:31.32 | AbsoRayne | Not sure why |
| 22:31.34 | Amarande | that's why wowhead and thottbot usually have glitches like that |
| 22:31.39 | Amarande | especially Thottbot |
| 22:31.42 | kd3 | I blame people not installing it properly |
| 22:31.46 | NightHawktheSane | ^^ |
| 22:31.58 | Dewin | Also, I'd love if it could track certain quests that require you to do action Y, when action Y itself requires X of item Z. |
| 22:31.59 | NightHawktheSane | I'm on a mac, and I've been using pitbull without problem for a long time now. |
| 22:32.01 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the database has some issues |
| 22:32.06 | ZorbaTHut | I'm planning to fix it up, but it'll take time |
| 22:32.13 | AbsoRayne | Probably is |
| 22:32.14 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, that'll require some manual tweaking, which I'm also planning to do, but, again, time |
| 22:32.19 | AbsoRayne | But im just asking for the sake of asking |
| 22:32.20 | AbsoRayne | :P |
| 22:32.35 | Dewin | Zorbra: I'm only bringing it up since the current topic in the channel seems to be questhelper :) |
| 22:32.53 | ZorbaTHut | fair 'nuff :) I don't have a problem with that |
| 22:32.59 | ZorbaTHut | it's on the list, it's just that the list is long. |
| 22:33.23 | Dewin | Besides, I should hardly be complaining, my own mod is horrendously unfinished and I haven't had time to play with it more ;) |
| 22:33.31 | Dewin | It, umm, "works good enough for me" >.> |
| 22:33.41 | AbsoRayne | Im actually happy with the raid frames this time around |
| 22:33.45 | AbsoRayne | for the first time in...ever |
| 22:34.19 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: Ping |
| 22:34.42 | |Jelly| | pong |
| 22:34.46 | AbsoRayne | oh hai |
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| 22:36.30 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: http://hdimage.org/images/6flvig1fhrxbzmph2a7t_ocrnhot102708234050.png Thoughts on Raid Frames? Yes, basic Saeto Ripoff, but with a few personal touches |
| 22:37.56 | |Jelly| | So long as you never have to actually ... do anything with them based quickly off health levels, they're fine. |
| 22:40.40 | |Jelly| | ~dodge Shirik |
| 22:40.40 | purl | at the last second |jelly| dodges out of the way of Shirik's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 22:40.51 | Shirik | you can't dodge a tackle any more than you can dodge a nuke |
| 22:41.06 | Asuah | Is there a function to get the size of a table used as an associative array? I'm not sure if my google searches are bad or what :o |
| 22:41.19 | Dewin | Size as in what? |
| 22:41.26 | Shirik | no Asuah |
| 22:41.35 | Asuah | So I have to iterate using pairs manually to get it? =( |
| 22:41.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:41.58 | Asuah | Rough. |
| 22:42.01 | Shirik | well, not necessarily |
| 22:42.15 | Shirik | you can alternatively pay attention to when you create new indexes |
| 22:42.32 | Shirik | but the most direct way is to use pairs, yes |
| 22:42.51 | Asuah | Thats true, and a more efficient solution. Thanks for the infos |
| 22:43.34 | Pneumatus | cant you tell the size of an associative table by doing #table? |
| 22:43.39 | Dewin | hmm... play WoW, or read my warcraft archive book |
| 22:44.07 | foxlit | Changing it to use an explicit stack is nasty :( |
| 22:44.25 | Pneumatus | lua> t = {["foo"] = true} print(#t) |
| 22:44.25 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: 0 |
| 22:44.27 | Asuah | It doesnt appear so, you need to be indexing by integers to get it that way |
| 22:44.31 | Pneumatus | aha |
| 22:45.16 | Pneumatus | lua> t = {["foo"] = true, [1]= true} print(#t) |
| 22:45.17 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: 1 |
| 22:45.34 | Pneumatus | guess it must internally ipars, or something |
| 22:45.49 | Pneumatus | if only i could spell |
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| 22:46.20 | Dewin | How often do you need to determine table size? |
| 22:46.31 | Shirik | no Pneumatus |
| 22:46.33 | Lunessa | AbsoRayne: What? Do you have 20/10 vision or some shit? |
| 22:46.47 | AbsoRayne | my vision is fine |
| 22:46.55 | Shirik | #t is ill-defined except for straight, non-holed arrays |
| 22:46.56 | Lunessa | No, it's better than fine. |
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| 22:47.31 | Lunessa | All that stuff is squeezed down so small I can't read it at native size with over-correcting glasses. :P |
| 22:47.36 | Shirik | Pneumatus, More formally, #t is only guaranteed to return an index at which t[idx] is non-nil and t[idx+1] is nil, except in the case where t[1] is nil in which case it may (but does not have to) return 0 |
| 22:47.48 | Lunessa | And Pixel fonts are the Devil's work. :P |
| 22:48.19 | Shirik | For the same table values, it is theoretically possible for #t to give different values |
| 22:48.55 | Shirik | lua> t = {1,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,7}; print(#t); t[2]=nil --[[ (do nothing) ]]; print(#t) |
| 22:48.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 7, 7 |
| 22:48.57 | Asuah | I'm trying to recycle frames, and using an associatve table to hold all my existing frames and naming them by AddonName_FrameName_i, so when its necessary to create new frames I want to know how many frames I already have. A pretty obscure use of it to be sure :d |
| 22:49.05 | Shirik | lua> t = {1,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,7}; print(#t); t[8]=nil --[[ (do nothing) ]]; print(#t) |
| 22:49.06 | lua_bot | Shirik: 7, 1 |
| 22:51.34 | Remaxer|PT | i dont seem to find the option in xperl to seprate each party members instead have them all in 1 group |
| 22:54.53 | Remaxer|PT | can the party frame be separated in xperl or do they have to stay all together? |
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| 23:05.59 | |Jelly| | "2| [Mercsin]: 1550 dps ret LFG za timed, kara speed or hero magt" Again ... not sure if that's a warning or what. |
| 23:06.51 | Amarande | Jelly: it's ret, so it's a warning that you'll have that DPS for about a minute and a half per boss |
| 23:06.53 | Remaxer|PT | my custom interface is almost done |
| 23:06.56 | Remaxer|PT | muaha |
| 23:07.21 | Remaxer|PT | it was kinda fun making everything the way i like |
| 23:07.25 | Remaxer|PT | ^ |
| 23:07.27 | Remaxer|PT | ^^ |
| 23:08.20 | NightHawktheSane | Amarande: qq more, i dont think everyone heard you. |
| 23:08.26 | Gnarfoz | Amarande, Jelly: it means insane dps for the entirety of the run, as long as that guy can faceroll his keyboard continously |
| 23:08.50 | Gnarfoz | come LK release, what Amarande says will be true, once again |
| 23:08.52 | NightHawktheSane | hey, Facerolling is a lot more difficult to sustain than you might think. |
| 23:09.05 | NightHawktheSane | after a little bit, your face starts to hurt. |
| 23:17.01 | mikma | remaxer|pt: now when your hdd/SV explode, you'll be SOOOOO happy! |
| 23:17.27 | Remaxer|PT | lol^ |
| 23:17.52 | mikma | thats the reason why i use default ui =) |
| 23:18.21 | Remaxer|PT | Thats the reason i have a multiple backups of my data ^ |
| 23:18.22 | Remaxer|PT | ^^ |
| 23:18.23 | Amarande | yeah, that's the new patch, if the final boss in steamvaults manages to power himself up more than once, the instance explodes |
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| 23:19.47 | mikma | i just use default with addons that dont need much configuring |
| 23:19.54 | Amarande | Heya Lopeppeppy |
| 23:20.06 | Remaxer|PT | well im going to bed...im sleepy lol |
| 23:20.08 | Remaxer|PT | bye all |
| 23:20.36 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Ama |
| 23:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande even, when I hit Tab like a good peppy. |
| 23:20.52 | Amarande | How's you? |
| 23:21.25 | mikma | good tabby |
| 23:21.31 | Lopeppeppy | I just baked cookies, I'm wicked happy |
| 23:22.11 | Shirik | all for me, yes? |
| 23:23.25 | mikma | cookiemonster |
| 23:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | Soon as you drive up and get 'em, boyo. These do not ship well. |
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| 23:23.48 | Shirik | it's too cold up there |
| 23:23.50 | Shirik | you come down here |
| 23:24.03 | Lopeppeppy | Evil tempter. |
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| 23:24.20 | mikma | 00:51: 3.5°C |
| 23:24.20 | Duman | whee |
| 23:24.37 | Industrial | </3 youtube uploader |
| 23:24.46 | Industrial | doesnt tell me how fast its goin |
| 23:24.50 | Aznamir | Hi all |
| 23:24.55 | Industrial | staring at a crappy circle for 15 mins... |
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| 23:25.02 | Industrial | (uploading 1.3gb but...) |
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| 23:25.06 | Duman | lol! |
| 23:25.08 | Aznamir | Does anyone know a mod that would list what recipes I don't have on my char? |
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| 23:25.17 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You could come bake cookies in the new place. It's warm here too,. *wink* |
| 23:25.21 | Industrial | ive got 6mbit upload! do it fasterrrrr. i wanna know how fast its going lol |
| 23:25.40 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: She'd give them all to me when she stopped here to visit. |
| 23:25.58 | Lunessa | That's why she can bake them at my place. :P |
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| 23:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, do you have a stand mixer? |
| 23:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | I'm holding out for a stand mixer, it's on the official Man Shopping List. :) |
| 23:28.03 | Lunessa | No, but for you, I'll rent one. |
| 23:28.03 | Tuller | stinky |
| 23:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. /blush |
| 23:28.12 | NightHawktheSane | stand mixers are expensive :( |
| 23:28.16 | Lunessa | Tuller, I showered. |
| 23:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | They are, NightHawktheSane. That's why they are now mission-critical on my list of Must Acquire. |
| 23:28.41 | NightHawktheSane | i was going to buy one, then i realized i wouldn't use it nearly often enough to warrent paying such an outrageous price |
| 23:29.05 | Lunessa | I don't cook enough to warrant buying more that service for 4. |
| 23:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | I still have most of the 8 settings we got as a housewarming. Pretty battered after 10 years, but they're mine. |
| 23:32.20 | bleeter | woots ... I think... 'cept it still makes my eyes bleed http://bleeter.pastey.net/100096 |
| 23:39.42 | Industrial | yes, it does. |
| 23:40.37 | bleeter | but hey, gimme a break... it's a more accurate representation of WoWAce SVN externals than their SVN server, or for that matter the author provided pkgmeta, does ;) |
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| 23:41.11 | bleeter | next problem is dealing with recursion on the identified externals... /sigh |
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| 23:51.09 | bleeter | eek, hmm, just as I feared... http://bleeter.pastey.net/100097 |
| 23:51.49 | mikma | lolace |
| 23:52.23 | mikma | the fooked up system is the one preventing me from using addons with externals |
| 23:52.24 | bleeter | i'm gunna have to have a think about htf I'm gunna deal with that :/ |
| 23:52.51 | kd3 | whee! |
| 23:52.55 | kd3 | got blade's edge bomberman |
| 23:52.58 | kd3 | half-second to spare |
| 23:53.00 | kd3 | >.< |
| 23:53.16 | bleeter | mikma: I'm trying to convert my happy old bash script to use the new system. so far, I've had to resort to using perl to load the yaml, a bunch of ugly seds and awks to even start getting some sense outta their externals system |
| 23:53.27 | Fisker- | hoho kd3 |
| 23:53.39 | Fisker- | got skettis one despite being dismounted with 2 seconds to spare :D |
| 23:53.42 | Fisker- | auto-turnin ftw |
| 23:53.54 | mikma | bleeter: there is absolutely no sense in the externals system now |
| 23:54.12 | kd3 | meh, skettis was a joke |
| 23:54.13 | mikma | bleeter: i was told: "i dont care, packager handles that" |
| 23:54.16 | kd3 | got it first try not even trying |
| 23:54.30 | bleeter | mikma: I've managed to eradicate, via brute force, some of the insanity. there's still some (as that pastey shows) |
| 23:54.33 | kd3 | something like 15 to spare |
| 23:55.04 | bleeter | mikma: yeah, same. I'm all 'as if the hell I'm going to install wine, vnc etc. just to run your packager when I used to have a 50 line shell script that I could cron easily' |
| 23:55.23 | mikma | bleeter: and now we are back in my earlier comment =/ i try not to use addons with externals |
| 23:55.25 | bleeter | and all on an ancient SS20 |
| 23:55.46 | mikma | tuller's addons are exceptions because they have libs with them |
| 23:55.58 | mikma | and shadowed's addons |
| 23:56.32 | bleeter | I've never had an issue with norganna's externals |
| 23:56.50 | mikma | bleeter: my update script is... 11 lines long |
| 23:57.18 | mikma | norganna doesnt use ace-stuff dont he |
| 23:57.37 | bleeter | I keep meaning to clean mine up, but spend so much time spinning wheels dealing with amateur hour source code repositories |
| 23:57.47 | bleeter | ah, no, did you mean wowace stuff.. didn't realise ;) |
| 23:57.54 | mikma | all the externals his addons use come from the same svn/developers |
