| 00:00.09 | cbreak | is b nil? |
| 00:00.14 | Castigo | yes |
| 00:00.18 | Castigo | i don't understand why tho |
| 00:00.52 | cbreak | does bar(getglobal(name)) fail too? it should if foo fails. |
| 00:01.10 | Castigo | it does cbreak |
| 00:01.13 | Castigo | but i don't understand why |
| 00:02.13 | Castigo | doesn't makes any sense in my eyes |
| 00:02.19 | Castigo | both ways should work |
| 00:02.54 | Castigo | or am i wrong somehow? |
| 00:03.40 | cbreak | how do you get frame to call bar with? |
| 00:06.44 | Castigo | cbreak from GetChildren |
| 00:07.02 | cbreak | so you don't actually know if the frame is stored in a global? |
| 00:07.12 | Castigo | local children = {Minimap:GetChildren()} |
| 00:07.12 | Castigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.14 | cbreak | frames that you create with CreateFrame aren't always stored in globals |
| 00:07.24 | Castigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.36 | cbreak | I am not sure if they are automatically stored in one if you give it a name on creation either |
| 00:07.59 | Castigo | well the testcase is actually an xml define frame |
| 00:08.07 | cbreak | weird. |
| 00:08.16 | cbreak | do you call your code early? |
| 00:09.04 | Castigo | well if it's in the getchildren resultset i suppose it's not early |
| 00:09.59 | cbreak | tried to call your code with a slash command after initialisation? |
| 00:10.18 | [SW]Dodge | someone knows if i can set auctioneer to only show items with EXACTLY the name i have in search box? not like if i search "iron bar" that i also see "fel iron bar"? |
| 00:10.31 | Castigo | cbreak nope not tried yet |
| 00:10.39 | Castigo | dodge not that i know |
| 00:10.45 | [SW]Dodge | damn :( |
| 00:11.26 | Arrowmaster | you should never use getglobal imho |
| 00:12.14 | Castigo | arrowmaster what should i use then? just pass the frame itself? |
| 00:12.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:12.37 | Arrowmaster | or _G if you really need to |
| 00:12.44 | Arrowmaster | but use _G instead of getglobal |
| 00:12.51 | Castigo | well passing the frame itself i suppose is not that great idea since |
| 00:12.55 | Castigo | i store it |
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| 00:13.17 | cbreak | I would say keeping the frame is preferable to keeping the name of a frame. |
| 00:13.24 | Castigo | so keeping reference to others addons frame is not the best idea i suppose |
| 00:13.26 | cbreak | I use names in old code with xml frames, but I don't like it |
| 00:13.44 | cbreak | frames will never get deleted, so keeping a ref can't hurt :) |
| 00:14.06 | Castigo | bah >< |
| 00:14.17 | Arrowmaster | well the reference to the frame could be deleted but most likely wont |
| 00:14.22 | Castigo | gotta rewrite half of the current part then |
| 00:14.41 | Castigo | Arrowmaster: "most likely" makes me wonder |
| 00:14.44 | cbreak | if you keep a ref, the gc shouldn't touch it :) |
| 00:14.46 | Castigo | and worried |
| 00:14.55 | Arrowmaster | if you keep a ref the gc CANT touch it |
| 00:15.07 | cbreak | it could be buggy... :) |
| 00:15.12 | Castigo | true but might not be inuse anymore i suppose |
| 00:15.13 | Arrowmaster | doubt it |
| 00:15.20 | Castigo | or like LOD addons can "play" with it? |
| 00:15.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:15.34 | cbreak | lod means load on demand |
| 00:15.39 | cbreak | once they are loaded, they stay |
| 00:15.41 | Corrodias | level of detail addons |
| 00:15.54 | Arrowmaster | you can always fuck with the global variables though and change what getglobal("name") returns |
| 00:16.10 | Castigo | kk |
| 00:16.20 | Castigo | basically i gotta rewrite half of this part of the addon :P |
| 00:16.23 | Castigo | meeeeh |
| 00:16.37 | cbreak | half your addon consists of accessing other addons' frames? |
| 00:16.40 | cbreak | evil... |
| 00:16.41 | Arrowmaster | but yeah getglobal has enough of its own issues that truely you should never ever use it |
| 00:17.08 | Arrowmaster | and if you really need the same functionality of it you should be using _G |
| 00:17.27 | Castigo | cbreak, i want to cut the junk on the minimap and create a button that pops a menu with all the addons attached to the minimap |
| 00:17.38 | Castigo | so yes i need to mess with other addons minimap frames >< |
| 00:17.45 | cbreak | I think such an addon already exists. |
| 00:18.20 | Castigo | could be, but it's not integrated with mine :P |
| 00:20.24 | Castigo | sigh |
| 00:20.44 | Arrowmaster | well ill tell you one thing, atleast one minimap addon will completely break your addon |
| 00:21.00 | Castigo | cbreak basically i want it to be "as i want" |
| 00:21.08 | Castigo | i am the kind of guy "never happy of other ppl addon" |
| 00:21.15 | Castigo | "yes it does what i want BUT....." |
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| 00:21.28 | Castigo | Arrowmaster: shoot |
| 00:21.42 | cbreak | I think many minimap addons actually use one of those ace libraries |
| 00:21.42 | Arrowmaster | everybody does stuff differently |
| 00:21.53 | cbreak | so you could try to hook that |
| 00:22.08 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: you mean fubarplugin-2.0 or libfubarplugin-3.0? |
| 00:22.18 | cbreak | no idea. I don't use libs :) |
| 00:22.19 | Arrowmaster | those are like the only commonly use libraries i think |
| 00:22.22 | cbreak | but maybe |
| 00:22.37 | Castigo | cbreak i noticed that for example |
| 00:22.37 | Arrowmaster | but still others will break somehow i bet |
| 00:22.45 | Castigo | Omen doesn't get registered as child of Minimap |
| 00:22.47 | Arrowmaster | since people have different ways of doing things |
| 00:22.48 | Castigo | neither Bugsack |
| 00:23.01 | Arrowmaster | Castigo: because they arent |
| 00:23.06 | Castigo | Arrowmaster, i kinda want to treat those exceptions as special cases, filtering by nameframe |
| 00:23.34 | Castigo | Arrow i know, from the xml it looks like the button is child of UIParent |
| 00:23.41 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 00:23.46 | Castigo | and just "positioned" attached on minimap |
| 00:23.51 | Arrowmaster | neither of those use xml |
| 00:24.20 | Castigo | generated code, whatsover :P i used a frame inspector from dt |
| 00:25.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah those are parented to UIParent |
| 00:25.11 | Arrowmaster | local frame = CreateFrame("Button", name, UIParent) |
| 00:25.32 | Castigo | that kinda sucks 'cause my "addon" can't trap them |
| 00:25.39 | Arrowmaster | because it shouldnt |
| 00:25.49 | Castigo | i needed to add a special "table" for the additional includes |
| 00:25.59 | Arrowmaster | those frames dont only go on the minimap |
| 00:26.11 | Arrowmaster | are you going to publish this addon? |
| 00:27.10 | Castigo | i don't know yet |
| 00:27.14 | Castigo | probably just for guildies |
| 00:27.22 | Castigo | and adjust this part by hand based on request |
| 00:27.27 | Castigo | (yes i know it's gonna be a nightmare) |
| 00:27.57 | Arrowmaster | well both omen and bugsack (currently) use fubar |
| 00:28.29 | Arrowmaster | so if somebody that installs your addon and has fubar and has those on fubar instead of the minimap you wont want to capture them into your addon |
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| 00:30.11 | Castigo | unless they decide to use |
| 00:30.17 | Castigo | "attach to minimap" option of fubar |
| 00:30.22 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 00:30.30 | Castigo | which in that case my addon will work |
| 00:30.35 | Castigo | and it would be "as designed" |
| 00:30.41 | Castigo | if they are not in minimap then who cares |
| 00:30.58 | Castigo | if they are on minimap then clamp them down |
| 00:31.07 | Castigo | as menu instead of bloating the minimap |
| 00:31.19 | Castigo | or am i wrong (highly possible) |
| 00:31.50 | Arrowmaster | well i could add a fringe condition of it being a 'minimap button' that they have dragged around to somewhere else on the screen |
| 00:32.06 | Arrowmaster | since that is possible |
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| 00:36.22 | Castigo | yes indeed |
| 00:36.37 | Castigo | ah guys one stupid question that i've been thinking today |
| 00:36.51 | Castigo | is it possible to create frames for mouseover that are not Squares? |
| 00:37.48 | Castigo | i mean if i want to have the xp bar that it's not "straight", is it possible to sort of "regionize" the mouseover so when i put my mouse over the xpbar it display something? |
| 00:37.58 | Castigo | bah that's explained badly |
| 00:38.10 | Castigo | let's do a pratical example |
| 00:38.29 | Castigo | i want my xp bar to look like a "circle" |
| 00:38.29 | cbreak | the xpbar is a rectangle |
| 00:38.38 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 00:38.52 | Castigo | and i want my mouse over to display a tooltip |
| 00:38.54 | Castigo | (easy ok) |
| 00:39.15 | cbreak | tooltip should not be a problem. you can check if you are on the circle in your mouseover |
| 00:39.17 | Recompense | You could make a square frame, and on mouseover evaluate the mouse position and check to see if it's within the circle. |
| 00:39.17 | Castigo | now i want the tooltip to be shown just when i am "OVER" the xpbar, not the xpbar area (which indeed is gonna be a square) |
| 00:39.20 | cbreak | the problem is clicking |
| 00:39.32 | cbreak | because clicking is a hardware event and you can't influence it |
| 00:39.44 | cbreak | (at least you should not be able to) |
| 00:39.48 | Castigo | cbreak i don't need any clicking interaction |
| 00:40.26 | Castigo | Recompense yes problem is that in the middle of the "circle" there is another frame, which needs to receive the mouse events (the minimap which accept mousewheel events) |
| 00:40.52 | cbreak | then put your own frame behind it. |
| 00:41.07 | Recompense | Yeah, set the hierarchy correctly and you should be fine |
| 00:41.23 | cbreak | at least if the minimap masks the frame correctly. |
| 00:41.27 | cbreak | (I wonder if it can...) |
| 00:41.28 | Castigo | well in that case i shouldn't need to evaluate either the "area" as i assume that the mid are is already filtered |
| 00:44.30 | Castigo | cbreak that's a good point |
| 00:44.48 | Castigo | THO i suppose that since it needs to work with "my minimap" i can do something about it |
| 00:44.54 | Castigo | uhm.. maybe not |
| 00:45.09 | Castigo | ok we shall see when i will write the xpbar part |
| 00:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/NotAlwaysRight/~3/416644044/1282 |
| 00:55.41 | NightHawkTheSane | wtb proper link? :P |
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| 01:07.55 | foxlit | hrm, there's really a crazy amount of spell icons in wow |
| 01:09.22 | NightHawkTheSane | no shit, huh? :P |
| 01:09.50 | foxlit | 7779 at the time of 2.4 |
| 01:10.44 | foxlit | Here's the same blp->png as a command line tool (mac, universal, 10.5): http://go-hero.net/content/store/blpconv.zip |
| 01:11.05 | foxlit | I wonder if I can actually compile that for 2.4 |
| 01:11.09 | foxlit | s/2/10/ |
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| 01:11.59 | NightHawkTheSane | neat |
| 01:17.03 | foxlit | And I can. Whether it actually works is another story :) |
| 01:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i dont have 10.4 anywhere to test that. ;) |
| 01:18.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, i seem to have lost my 10.4 disk, which i'm particularly annoyed about |
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| 01:58.05 | NightHawkTheSane | 3.2k rep to exalted consortium.. |
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| 02:10.26 | p3lim | ckknight: where is LibSimpleOptions found atm? |
| 02:10.30 | p3lim | SVN if you have it up |
| 02:10.49 | NightHawkTheSane | libSimpleOptions? |
| 02:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i34.tinypic.com/1538nsl.jpg |
| 02:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | loooooool |
| 02:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: nice |
| 02:15.28 | Corrodias | that's the kind of stuff Woot does |
| 02:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That's amazing |
| 02:15.42 | Corrodias | i love it |
| 02:24.10 | Dewin | Hmm.. anybody know if Tourguide has any guides written specifically aiming at rep gains? |
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| 02:56.40 | ZorbaBeta | dewin, in general, rep gains are simple enough that you don't need much of a guide for 'em |
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| 02:57.02 | ZorbaBeta | most reps have three or four repeatable quests at best, and usually one of those is obviously ideal for whatever current reputation level you are |
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| 04:21.05 | Dewin | ZorbaBeta: Long-delayed response but... I was talking about stuff like reps for a given home city |
| 04:21.29 | Dewin | not all of the lv1-20 quests give rep, for instance, and there are other quests throughout the world that do. |
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| 04:22.28 | NightHawkTheSane | so, im tanking crypts with some scrub pugs. I'm a level 70 druid, in kara/t5 tanking gear. They're 65-66. One of the spectral possessors spawns, doesnt die quite fast enough.. and i brutally murder everyone. |
| 04:22.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i so lol'd. |
| 04:22.56 | Dewin | do you take durability loss when a MC'd player murders you? |
| 04:23.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think so.. |
| 04:24.31 | Dewin | did you survive? |
| 04:25.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, after i killed everyone the mobs (and i) reset, the MC wore off, and i ran out. |
| 04:27.40 | Dewin | I wish Blink worked more intelligently in water |
| 04:27.49 | NightHawkTheSane | s/in water/ |
| 04:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.39 | Dewin | eh, after reading the wiki page, I understand most of its tricks |
| 04:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | wiki page? |
| 04:28.54 | Dewin | except I hate when I lag as I cast blink so I actually end up teleporting backwards. |
| 04:29.12 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, thats a huge wiki page for blink |
| 04:31.23 | Dewin | in particular, I recognize the indoor/outdoor obstacles (and bridges) and avoid blinking until I'm over them |
| 04:37.35 | NightHawkTheSane | the ret pally in that group was SO BAD |
| 04:45.30 | smcn | ...how bad was he?! |
| 04:52.11 | Corrodias | the ret pally was so bad, he BLANK his BLANK |
| 04:52.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: exactly. |
| 04:54.19 | Corrodias | does USPS take packages for shipping on saturdays? |
| 04:54.41 | Corrodias | i think Amazon is giving me until Monday to ship it, but i'd like to get it out tomorrow if i can |
| 04:54.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: yes |
| 04:55.07 | Corrodias | awesome. somebody bought my monitor, see. |
| 04:58.08 | ZorbaBeta | dewin, ah, that makes sense |
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| 05:13.29 | NightHawkTheSane | every time i hear the FFT music. i have the strong desire to play the game again. |
| 05:14.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Except i always feel bad, because i still have to finish the latest fire emblem |
| 05:14.12 | Corrodias | Final Fantasy Tactics OST - Decisive Battle |
| 05:17.37 | NightHawkTheSane | also, having had a year to mull it over. i really do not like rilo kiley's last album. |
| 05:19.52 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10871018107&postId=109709349352&sid=1#146 |
| 05:20.03 | Arrowmaster | so fun yet evil, im going to get hell for that one |
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| 05:54.03 | Cidan | At the risk of sounding like a moron, uhm... what's up with the Starcraft 2 releases? |
| 05:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | forgone conclusions carry no risk, Cidan. ;) |
| 05:54.43 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, its not out yet, they're working on it, it'll be done when it's done? :P |
| 05:56.13 | Cidan | No, I mean |
| 05:56.20 | Cidan | They are making Starcraft 2 into 3 games |
| 05:56.25 | Cidan | And releasing one game at a time. |
| 05:56.36 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, *shrug* yeah, so i hear |
| 05:59.19 | Arrowmaster | I'm hoping they do it with an expansion like system personally, even if they arent 'expansions' and you can only have say the protoss one installed |
| 05:59.40 | Arrowmaster | meaning that its only one program install and not 3 depending on how many you have |
| 05:59.42 | Corrodias | as long as they aren't all $50... |
| 05:59.52 | Cidan | That's my concern, 50 bucks for each? |
| 05:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: im guessing thats the plan |
| 05:59.55 | Cidan | That's bunk. |
| 06:00.06 | Corrodias | i wouldn't expect it |
| 06:00.40 | Cidan | It's upsetting, but, they said there was no way they could finish the game for years and years unless they did this. |
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| 06:01.01 | Arrowmaster | hell even at $50 it atleast wouldn't be a 'total' ripoff, each one is suppost to have like as many missions as the original starcraft did |
| 06:01.02 | Cidan | Because the Terran campaign alone is as big as all of Starcraft 1 |
| 06:01.49 | Arrowmaster | it would deffently be disappointing to see them at $50 each though, but i do expect the first one to go for more than the others |
| 06:02.15 | Cidan | I can understand if the first one is 50, then the next two are maybe 30 |
| 06:02.29 | Arrowmaster | some will buy the first and probably not even finish the campaign sadly, just because they want it for MP |
| 06:02.30 | Cidan | But it's going to suck, because I don't really play for multiplayer, I enjoy the single player |
| 06:03.13 | Arrowmaster | hell im getting tempted to play SC again, i never did finish it =( |
| 06:03.28 | Arrowmaster | got a lot closer after the WWI when i played it again |
| 06:03.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i never got through brood war.. |
| 06:03.44 | Cidan | I think that was Blizzard's fault though. They focused so much on the Terran side first, they didn't even figure out what to do with the Protoss and Zerg. They should have scaled it back. |
| 06:03.48 | Cidan | Ooo |
| 06:03.51 | Cidan | You guys might want to do that |
| 06:03.59 | Cidan | There is a secret mission in brood war |
| 06:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been meaning to |
| 06:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i've had it installed for the longest time |
| 06:04.14 | Cidan | That leaves a bit of a cliff hangerish type thing |
| 06:04.23 | Cidan | helps you see where SC2 is going to go |
| 06:04.29 | Arrowmaster | had it installed forever too, one of those games you just cant uninstall |
| 06:05.11 | Arrowmaster | a long time ago i stoped playing the missions when i got stuck on the zerg, was never really good with zerg |
| 06:05.32 | Cidan | Oh well, at least Diablo 3 looks less gay |
| 06:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm actually really looking forward to d3 |
| 06:05.55 | Cidan | As am I |
| 06:06.08 | Cidan | It's one IP that Blizzard hasn't taken the rape stick to just yet. |
| 06:06.20 | Cidan | well, except at the end of Lord of Destruction |
| 06:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | that depends on who you talk to though :p |
| 06:06.24 | Cidan | lol@World Stone |
| 06:13.50 | Cidan | Tomorrow: Diablo III will be three products, Diablo III: Lord of Hatred, Diablo III: Lord of Terror, Diablo III: Lord of Destruction |
| 06:19.22 | Duman | whee |
| 06:23.38 | ZorbaBeta | I wouldn't look at it as "starcraft II is going to be three games" |
| 06:23.53 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect it's a lot more like "starcraft 2, 3, and 4 are all going to share an engine and have a continued plot" |
| 06:24.09 | ZorbaBeta | I mean it's really only a matter of terminology, they just decided to call it all part of "starcraft II". |
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| 06:37.02 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone know what the new "Defense Cap" is? |
| 06:37.16 | End | 83*5? |
| 06:37.41 | End | lua> 83*5 |
| 06:37.42 | lua_bot | End: 415 |
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| 06:38.01 | End | (I have no idea if defense cap follows that rule, but I think its a good guess) |
| 06:38.04 | Neuro_Medivh | that can't be right, it was higher than that before |
| 06:38.11 | End | was it? I dunno then |
| 06:38.28 | Arrowmaster | yes much |
| 06:38.36 | Neuro_Medivh | 415 just gets you even with a lvl 83 |
| 06:38.43 | Neuro_Medivh | you need to be above that |
| 06:38.49 | NightHawkTheSane | it's 490 in live |
| 06:38.55 | End | lua> 490/5 |
| 06:38.55 | lua_bot | End: 98 |
| 06:38.55 | NightHawkTheSane | add 10x5 |
| 06:38.59 | End | hm |
| 06:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. 540? |
| 06:39.05 | End | 490-73*5 |
| 06:39.11 | End | oops |
| 06:39.13 | End | lua> 490-73*5 |
| 06:39.13 | lua_bot | End: 125 |
| 06:39.26 | End | lua> 83*5+125 |
| 06:39.27 | lua_bot | End: 540 |
| 06:39.40 | NightHawkTheSane | End: way to take the long way around. |
| 06:39.43 | End | pff |
| 06:39.48 | Duman | foserious |
| 06:39.49 | Duman | +r |
| 06:39.51 | Arrowmaster | lua> 490/73 |
| 06:39.51 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 6.7123287671233 |
| 06:39.52 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, I'm not too far off then, 486 with just blue gear |
| 06:39.55 | Duman | man, I got denied by Drysc |
| 06:39.57 | Duman | no love |
| 06:40.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: in live or beta? |
| 06:40.53 | Fisker- | I know how you feel Duman :( |
| 06:42.00 | NightHawkTheSane | haha http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/016500.html |
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| 06:54.48 | Nom- | hmm i reckon i'll have to buy a new computer if iMac doesn't get updated on Tuesday :( |
| 07:00.53 | Xinhuan | ~seen iriel |
| 07:01.18 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 6h 4m 27s ago, saying: 'NightHawkTheSane: I dont know enough about hte underlying engine to assess it.. No PS3 for me (at this point)'. |
| 07:04.23 | Nom- | I could be silly and spend $4000 on an Acer Predator system (LOL) |
| 07:05.00 | Nom- | That would just buy a base model mac pro! (ROFL) |
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| 07:20.19 | Xal | Hey, Would anybody be able to tell me how i can make my frame target myself on click? (like on a hp bar) |
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| 07:34.02 | Xal | Hey, Would anybody be able to tell me how i can make my frame target myself on click? (like on a hp bar) |
| 07:35.03 | cladhaire | Xal: I dont understand what you're asking |
| 07:35.07 | cladhaire | you want to make it so when you click on it, you target it? |
| 07:35.35 | cladhaire | frame:SetAttribute("type1", "target"); frame:SetAttribute("unit", "target") |
| 07:36.20 | Xal | yes |
| 07:36.33 | Xal | thanks claidhaire |
| 07:37.53 | cladhaire | you should read the comments in SecureTemplates.lua |
| 07:37.58 | cladhaire | they explain the attribute system |
| 07:40.16 | Xal | oke |
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| 07:48.43 | Fisker- | *blargh* |
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| 07:59.24 | Ycarene | How would one go about developing a linux client for WoW? |
| 08:00.56 | ZorbaBeta | what, like, an entire WoW client that connects to the official servers? |
| 08:01.05 | Ycarene | Yes sir. |
| 08:01.08 | ZorbaBeta | you wouldn't, you'd use Wine to run WoW under Linux |
| 08:01.41 | Ycarene | Well, it would use the data files and such from an official installation, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. |
| 08:01.57 | ZorbaBeta | actually trying to reverse-engineer the protocol and the logic would require a similar workforce to that needed to develop the client in the first place |
| 08:02.22 | ZorbaBeta | and you'd get your client banned constantly, and you'd be hit with horrifying lawsuits, and you'd need a team of a dozen or more just to keep up with Blizzard patches :P |
| 08:02.36 | Xal | Mmm it seems my frame isn't targeting i set attributes and im pretty sure there correct, so i guessing its not receiving clicks what was the requirement for frames to receive clicks? |
| 08:02.39 | ZorbaBeta | it's theoretically possible, but it's impractical |
| 08:03.15 | Ycarene | Why would blizzard care, its not like they support linux anyway, the data is a higher value to them anyway and there'd be no need to replicate it. |
| 08:03.29 | ZorbaBeta | because any open client is a giant sign that says "hack me" |
| 08:03.39 | ZorbaBeta | and also makes it about a million times easier to make a free, open WoW server |
| 08:04.42 | ZorbaBeta | also, they kind of half-support linux - they've done things to make it work better under Wine. it's not official, but they're clearly willing to play nice with it. |
| 08:06.36 | Ycarene | They play nice with it hoping that wine will kill linux and then they don't have to worry about it, and there's nothing stating that a 3rd party client has to be under an open license. |
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| 08:07.41 | ZorbaBeta | how would wine kill linux? |
| 08:08.23 | Ycarene | By discouraging vendors from making linux versions of their software. |
| 08:08.54 | ZorbaBeta | in any case, go for it if you like, but I can guarantee you'll get sued to oblivion if you ever get anywhere, which you won't, because it's a *very* large task to make it work properly and a hilariously impractical one to avoid getting banned. |
| 08:09.21 | ZorbaBeta | step one would be to decipher the local data formats, which have largely been done. step two would be to decipher the protocol. step three would be to duplicate the internal logic. |
| 08:09.56 | Lukian | step four, emulate the warden? :D |
| 08:10.39 | ZorbaBeta | I imagine that'd be part of step 2 :) |
| 08:10.44 | ZorbaBeta | part 2, part 3 |
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| 08:28.18 | Fisker- | hows blizzcon? |
| 08:28.23 | Shirik | rawr |
| 08:28.29 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 08:29.34 | Fisker- | you didn't ask about paladins omg! |
| 08:30.36 | Shirik | I predict Tem logging on |
| 08:30.45 | Fisker- | I disagree |
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| 08:31.35 | Fisker- | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 08:31.37 | Fisker- | mein soufflé |
| 08:33.08 | Shirik | I win |
| 08:33.13 | Shirik | Anyway, what question was I supposed to ask? |
| 08:33.47 | Tem | wheeeeeee |
| 08:33.54 | Fisker- | "Buff paladins" |
| 08:33.54 | Tem | Boozfe |
| 08:33.55 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 08:34.00 | Shirik | that's not a question |
| 08:34.03 | Fisker- | :( |
| 08:34.26 | Fisker- | They need to fix blessings so we don't have to use ~15-30 seconds buffing :( |
| 08:36.05 | Shirik | However if it makes you feel any better, priests are getting buffed and I'm happy |
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| 08:43.47 | sb | Shirik: buffed as in "all that you can see on beta/ptr" or even more buffed? :p |
| 08:44.11 | Shirik | all that you can see :) |
| 08:44.46 | sb | mh... its "ok"... but not that hueg buff for me ;) |
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| 08:45.11 | sb | except that you have to stack crit |
| 08:45.13 | sb | and int :P |
| 08:45.35 | Shirik | never! |
| 08:45.51 | sb | healer or shadow? :p |
| 08:46.05 | Shirik | heal! What kind of question isw that! |
| 08:46.13 | sb | hehe |
| 08:46.17 | Shirik | Stack spirit :) |
| 08:46.35 | sb | mh.. :/ dont know |
| 08:46.46 | sb | crit affects lots of talents |
| 08:48.51 | Shirik | huh? |
| 08:48.53 | Shirik | what talents? |
| 08:50.08 | sb | inspiration, holy concentration, surge of light, serendipity |
| 08:50.17 | sb | its all based on crit :/ |
| 08:50.29 | Shirik | holy concentration is not |
| 08:50.30 | Fisker- | Did they say anything about holy paladins btw? |
| 08:50.40 | Fisker- | Because doesn't seem like it from the info from wowinsider etc. |
| 08:50.58 | Shirik | inspiration I've never valued high enough to count as "needing crit" |
| 08:51.02 | Shirik | and I don't have serendipity :) |
| 08:51.10 | sb | but imp. holy concentration is ;) |
| 08:52.01 | Shirik | gonna reconnect brb |
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| 08:53.48 | Nom- | they need to nerf the rogue + ret pally synergy imo |
| 08:54.21 | Nom- | I teamed up with a rogue and completely slaughted a DK / Shaman team... CC'ed the DK and stunlocked the shaman to death |
| 08:54.34 | Nom- | That's just a little *too* powerful imo |
| 08:55.41 | Nom- | They'll get there I suppose |
| 08:55.51 | Nom- | Probably not until after 3.0 goes to live servers though, but before LK patch |
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| 09:07.03 | Fisker- | yay |
| 09:07.18 | Fisker- | they removed stat assignments from Diablo 3 |
| 09:13.39 | Fisker- | i did it! |
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| 09:15.38 | Lukian | Fisker-, more detail? |
| 09:16.35 | Fisker- | [11:10:50] * Fisker- removes Shirik from blizzcon |
| 09:16.35 | Fisker- | [11:13:11] * Quits: @Shirik (i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 09:19.35 | ZorbaBeta | I'm hoping diablo 3 has respecs |
| 09:19.42 | ZorbaBeta | it sucks to permanently cripple your character |
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| 10:10.00 | Nom- | wooooot |
| 10:10.05 | Nom- | top dps in ZA as ret |
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| 10:25.23 | Nom- | ZA full clear < 1 hr |
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| 10:25.33 | Nom- | 15 minutes on timer when last boss died |
| 10:27.14 | foxlit | Hrm, I wonder. |
| 10:27.31 | foxlit | Are C pointers automatically initialized to NULL, or is that a random-address-lottery. |
| 10:32.27 | nevcairiel | depends on the compiler |
| 10:33.13 | foxlit | Hrm, googling gave the idea that the standard does not define a behavior, meaning it's best not to rely on anything. |
| 10:34.05 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 10:34.25 | nevcairiel | most modern compilers null it anyway |
| 10:34.29 | nevcairiel | but you cant rely on that |
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| 11:26.21 | Mikk | foxlit: C data defined in file scope, or static, (aka the "cdata" segment), tends to be nulled in all modern environments |
| 11:26.29 | Mikk | Local variables? Hell no |
| 11:26.59 | nevcairiel | you should never even consider not initializing a variable |
| 11:27.04 | nevcairiel | its virtually free anyway |
| 11:27.08 | Mikk | I belive c++ makes a point of saying that cdata must be nulled, even. But don't quote me on that. |
| 11:27.36 | foxlit | nevcairiel: variables inside structs |
| 11:27.54 | Mikk | Then it depends on where the struct lives |
| 11:27.57 | nevcairiel | initialize the full struct? =P |
| 11:28.15 | foxlit | I ended up going with a function that returns a pointer to a newly allocated and initialized struct |
| 11:28.26 | Mikk | Those you can assume nothing about |
| 11:28.36 | Mikk | Malloc doesn't explicitly nil memory |
| 11:28.47 | foxlit | I can assume everything about it, since I wrote it :) |
| 11:28.52 | nevcairiel | you could calloc it to make sure :P |
| 11:28.57 | Mikk | You didn't write malloc :P |
| 11:28.59 | foxlit | I mean there's explicit foo->bar = 0 after it :) |
| 11:29.23 | Mikk | Well then, bar will be nilled, wont it? =) |
| 11:29.49 | zarious | any curse/curseforge admin/mods in here who can fix the sync'ing problem? |
| 11:30.32 | zarious | curse is quite far lagged behind curseforge (over 10 hours i'm guessing) |
| 11:31.17 | foxlit | Mikk: considering the function was a solution to a problem, of course :) |
| 11:33.28 | Mikk | And yeah unless you're doing uber performance critical code, just get into the habit of writing "constructor"-like code that initializes members to sane values. It's a good coding practice. |
| 11:33.47 | Mikk | (Exactly like you did there) |
| 11:35.10 | Mikk | In other news, fried housefly smells funky |
| 11:35.22 | Mikk | Or electrocuted I should say |
| 11:39.14 | cbreak | There are good reasons to not initialize your data |
| 11:39.50 | cbreak | if you can be sure that you will never read it before you write to it for example. |
| 11:40.04 | cbreak | For an other example, ask the debian guys with their OpenSSL fix :) |
| 11:44.13 | Mikk | cbreak: But again, avoiding initialization matters little if your code is not perf critical. And you'll probably thank yourself for it down the road when you change some portion of the code that you didn't think of initially... or rather, you won't, because you just won't get the bug. ;) |
| 11:44.46 | Mikk | (I do have experience of maintaining a software project over the course of 10+ years... these things tend to matter more and more the older something gets ;)) |
| 11:45.40 | cbreak | one of the things I do sometimes is declare an unsigned int i, and on the next line use it in a for (i=0; i<some_counter;i++) |
| 11:45.57 | Mikk | well yeah, that one is a bit obvious |
| 11:46.12 | cbreak | of course, if a function has any ambiguity if a variable is used before assignment, then it should just be initialized |
| 11:46.33 | cbreak | but sometimes the propper value to store can not be known until later in the code. |
| 11:46.40 | Mikk | of course |
| 11:46.52 | Mikk | i was more thinking along the lines of "objects" with several members |
| 11:47.04 | Mikk | which is where you're much more likely to shoot yourself in the proverbial foot |
| 11:47.20 | cbreak | I usually am quite strict with constructors and the doxygen of those |
| 11:48.07 | cbreak | the state of objects should always be clearly defined by the actions performed on it :) |
| 11:48.14 | cbreak | (at least when that's possible) |
| 11:53.06 | Mikk | i think we're in violent agreement here :P |
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| 12:51.11 | Nom- | wow... kara is so stupidly easy |
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| 12:52.54 | Nom- | At level 70, after Tuesday's patch, all the existing content is trivialized |
| 12:53.24 | Nom- | 7 man kara right now, and basically using zero CC |
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| 12:54.27 | theduke | thats a good thing, isn't it? |
| 12:54.35 | Nom- | well i dunno |
| 12:54.39 | theduke | it gives the not-so-advanced guilds a chance to see some more content |
| 12:54.42 | Nom- | there's going to be guilds walking all over sunwell |
| 12:54.57 | Nom- | those who were struggling to clear, will just walk all over it |
| 12:55.26 | haste | what was changed? |
| 12:55.54 | Nom- | dps is stupidly high |
| 12:56.00 | theduke | boss health was nurfed |
| 12:56.09 | Nom- | that too |
| 12:56.14 | Nom- | i'm pulling 1700 dps in kara |
| 12:56.22 | Nom- | as ret |
| 12:56.56 | cbreak | still inferior to mages. |
| 12:57.21 | Nom- | lol sif |
| 12:57.24 | Nom- | this is at level 70 |
| 13:01.45 | nevcairiel | whats your equip level |
| 13:01.46 | nevcairiel | ? |
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| 13:04.00 | Fisker- | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1223729867297.jpg <-zomg election rig! |
| 13:05.21 | Nom- | SSC/TK gear mostly |
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| 13:06.00 | nevcairiel | then its good |
| 13:06.58 | Nom- | I know, but there's easy, and then there's easy |
| 13:07.01 | Nom- | Just 6-manned nightbane |
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| 13:09.29 | Nom- | They're obviously doing most of the work to balance 80 |
| 13:09.43 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 13:09.45 | Nom- | 70 is not completely OP, but it's not like we're going to have any trouble with any DPS race on live |
| 13:09.55 | nevcairiel | not with the 30% hp nerf |
| 13:10.02 | Nom- | and the dps boost |
| 13:10.19 | nevcairiel | and the threat boost |
| 13:10.34 | Nom- | there was 2 ret pallies in that raid, and we alternated between first place on damage done for every encounter |
| 13:10.59 | Nom- | The threat boost comes from the fact tanks are doing > 1200 dps |
| 13:11.21 | nevcairiel | definately |
| 13:11.37 | Nom- | in fact, beating the tank on dps is now a rather tall order :) |
| 13:11.56 | nevcairiel | haha yeah a new thing to cry at people at |
| 13:12.04 | nevcairiel | you're below the tank, do something ffs! |
| 13:12.08 | Nom- | pally tanks excepted since their gear requirements have changee |
| 13:12.24 | nevcairiel | man cant wait for 3.0 anymore |
| 13:18.37 | Nom- | ret is so much fun again |
| 13:18.46 | Nom- | It's nice when you're not one of the lowest dps classes in the game |
| 13:19.45 | Nom- | so many people are going to cry nerf though... you'll have all these pallies in T6 gear which didn't hurt much (compared to other classes in T6 gear) |
| 13:19.56 | Nom- | all of a sudden they're going to hit like trucks |
| 13:20.12 | nevcairiel | so do all other hybrid classes |
| 13:20.31 | Nom- | Yeah, but druids already did pretty well |
| 13:20.52 | Nom- | shamans to some extent too |
| 13:23.35 | Fisker- | wat dps boost Nom- ? |
| 13:24.39 | Nom- | i went from a mediocre 850 on live to 1600 on PTR @ 70 |
| 13:25.04 | cbreak | it is fairly clear to me that mages will still be top dps. |
| 13:25.15 | Nom- | When have mages ever topped dps? |
| 13:25.21 | cbreak | like, always? |
| 13:25.28 | cbreak | we're a dps class after all |
| 13:25.31 | Fisker- | what class are you? |
| 13:25.32 | Nom- | What galaxy have you been living in? |
| 13:25.34 | [dRaCo] | your warlocks suck, then |
| 13:25.44 | zenzelezz | hunters were also usually above the mages in our raids |
| 13:25.46 | cbreak | warlocks are also top dps... |
| 13:25.59 | cbreak | all dps classes are top dps. that's our purpose |
| 13:26.04 | Nom- | It does depend on the encounter, but rogues & hunters are usually high up there on most... more than mages |
| 13:27.12 | Fisker- | No raids in WotLK though |
| 13:27.12 | Fisker- | You ain't gonna get the healers for it |
| 13:27.12 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 13:27.23 | Fisker- | (-0 because the class was too shitty to be considered a healer to begin with lololol) |
| 13:28.07 | cbreak | we have lots of pala healers |
| 13:28.15 | cbreak | (two :) |
| 13:28.36 | Fisker- | I'm the only one left |
| 13:28.46 | Fisker- | And i'm not sticking around in the expansion |
| 13:28.54 | Fisker- | Especially not with that design they're going for |
| 13:28.57 | Nom- | well with all the changes, they had to make all dps specs viable |
| 13:29.02 | Fisker- | "Lets all blame healers" |
| 13:29.15 | Fisker- | Nice design philosophy right there |
| 13:29.24 | Nom- | otherwise you'd bring 2 palies for blessings & aura, 2 shaman for all totems, and stack the raid with rogues for max dps |
| 13:29.42 | cbreak | mages! |
| 13:29.46 | cbreak | mages for max dps damnit |
| 13:30.03 | Nom- | Only in your world. |
| 13:30.28 | cbreak | I reject your world and substitute my own |
| 13:30.37 | sylvanaar | hunters are top pve dps |
| 13:30.55 | cbreak | in your world :) |
| 13:31.03 | Fisker- | I reject your mom and substitute my own |
| 13:31.08 | Fisker- | or wait a minute |
| 13:31.09 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:31.11 | sylvanaar | its actually true |
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| 13:36.29 | sylvanaar | the mid-raid respec thing sounds interesting, wonder when they will invent "battlespec" ie mid combat respec |
| 13:36.42 | sacarasc | heh |
| 13:39.25 | Tornhoof | won't ever happen until they allow mid combat equip changes |
| 13:39.57 | Fisker- | wow |
| 13:39.57 | cbreak | hey, I could respec to fire when brain freeze procs |
| 13:40.04 | Fisker- | "about 400 people have a modified 360" |
| 13:40.05 | cbreak | and respec back after I use it |
| 13:40.12 | Fisker- | Yeah 400 people in the world modify their xbox |
| 13:40.14 | Fisker- | retard |
| 13:40.15 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:40.26 | cbreak | hmm? |
| 13:42.19 | [SW]Dodge | is there a Fishing buddy database i can download? like GatherMateData for gathermate? with info from sites like wowhead or so? |
| 13:55.59 | |pez| | I'm being nice! |
| 13:59.53 | molgar | can i make round buttons like "minimap" button with UIRadioButtonTemplate ? or is it another template i need for making round icons ? |
| 14:04.49 | cladhaire | you don't do it with UIRadioButtonTemplate |
| 14:05.01 | cladhaire | but there is another you can use, just take a look at one of the existing buttons XML code |
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| 14:14.20 | cladhaire | kkk |
| 14:14.24 | cladhaire | not racist, k? |
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| 14:16.57 | Fisker- | :3? |
| 14:17.16 | mikma | no-one knows how to get in touch with Nimbal? (except wowi-comments) |
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| 14:17.42 | Stanzilla | wowace forums |
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| 14:34.23 | Nom- | lol @ 400 modded xbox's |
| 14:34.37 | Nom- | THey probably modded more than 400 before they even decided it was practical |
| 14:38.12 | cbreak | maybe they mean casemodding. |
| 14:38.27 | cbreak | or casemodding with into a food themed case. |
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| 14:58.01 | Nom- | Or, maybe they're just idiots :) |
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| 15:09.39 | molgar | anyone know what kinda template i use to make Round"circle" buttons? |
| 15:13.12 | Cide | a normal button template? |
| 15:13.21 | Cide | the circle comes from the texture |
| 15:13.30 | Cide | you can still click on it as if it was a square |
| 15:14.52 | molgar | aha, thx dude |
| 15:18.43 | Cide | anytime "dawg" |
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| 15:39.31 | WobWork | More = good for gamers, but this SteelSeries Mouse for World of Warcraft players really pushes the limit with a whopping 15 buttons and a pulsing internal light with 16 million colors. |
| 15:39.41 | WobWork | http://www.steelseries.com/teaser_heaven/add_to_basket/wow |
| 15:39.44 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:39.47 | WobWork | wtf people? |
| 15:40.23 | WobWork | Now we need to learn to touchtype with the mouse =P |
| 15:40.42 | zenzelezz | 1 button for left, 1 button for right, one for each action bar button, one to rotate action bars |
| 15:41.17 | WobWork | looks like a trilobyte =P |
| 15:42.12 | mikma | WobWork: wobbly wobbly! |
| 15:42.33 | mikma | WobWork: have you worked on mrplow? |
| 15:42.42 | zenzelezz | "... healers?" "Hold on, trying to find the right button!" |
| 15:43.09 | WobWork | mikma: no =P I'm playing WAR now =) |
| 15:43.34 | mikma | WobWork: mmkay! |
| 15:43.36 | WobWork | Got a few addons for WAR though =) |
| 15:43.46 | nevcairiel | WobWork: traitor! |
| 15:43.50 | WobWork | s'true |
| 15:44.02 | nevcairiel | who will finish xparky now =( |
| 15:44.12 | WobWork | I choose -you- nevcairiel! |
| 15:44.20 | nevcairiel | your code is so evil |
| 15:44.25 | WobWork | I know =( |
| 15:44.27 | nevcairiel | but the WoWI Version works |
| 15:44.48 | WobWork | yeah, that's just not as modular as the newer one |
| 15:45.18 | WobWork | I was trying for a "Create any sort of bar you want for whatever faction/xp/pet/etc you desired" |
| 15:45.21 | WobWork | sort of thing |
| 15:45.42 | WobWork | It's mostly there... |
| 15:45.56 | WobWork | just needs more testing and hooking into config |
| 15:48.29 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: get back in your cage and programming for wow! |
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| 16:16.46 | digmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.22 | WobWork | woohoo! |
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| 16:29.02 | foxlit | iTunes store: "Everyone Has A**S" |
| 16:29.35 | nevcairiel | How do i get everything but the first line out of a file in linux shell? |
| 16:29.40 | nevcairiel | i seem to be missing the right tool <.< |
| 16:29.56 | Dewin | head |
| 16:29.59 | Dewin | err |
| 16:30.21 | nevcairiel | Actually, i want to insert something as the second line |
| 16:30.38 | nevcairiel | so i take the first lien with head, append my stuff, but how do i get the other shit? |
| 16:30.39 | foxlit | lua -e "f = io.open(arg[1],'r'); f:read('*l') print(f:read('*a')); f:close()" |
| 16:30.55 | Dewin | doable but ugly. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:31.08 | nevcairiel | insert a line after first line =P |
| 16:31.09 | Dewin | doable but *ugly*, that is. |
| 16:31.16 | nevcairiel | might do it in lua, hah |
| 16:31.20 | Dewin | Why do you need to insert a line after the #!? |
| 16:31.55 | nevcairiel | does that matter? :) |
| 16:32.30 | Dewin | Yes, possibly, because there may be a different solution to whatever your problem is that doesn't involve having to destructively open the entire file? :) |
| 16:32.42 | nevcairiel | no there isnt |
| 16:32.59 | nevcairiel | the file has a custom format |
| 16:33.07 | nevcairiel | its not a shell script or anything |
| 16:33.15 | Dewin | Ah. |
| 16:33.35 | nevcairiel | the first line is a format descriptor |
| 16:33.45 | nevcairiel | the others are data sets |
| 16:33.51 | nevcairiel | and i want to insert at line 1 |
| 16:34.01 | Dewin | head -n1 < oldfile > newfile |
| 16:34.06 | Dewin | echo newline >> newfile |
| 16:34.19 | Dewin | and... one sec while I remember how to do math in bash |
| 16:34.27 | nevcairiel | yeah that part i got =P |
| 16:35.16 | nevcairiel | i just thought maybe there was a hidden toggle in tail or something, everything but line 1 |
| 16:35.37 | Dewin | your objective is to do somevariable=`wc -l `, subtract one from somevariable, and then do tail -n$somevariable >> newfile |
| 16:35.47 | Dewin | I'm just trying to remember how you do it, my bash-fu is not that strong. |
| 16:35.55 | Dewin | wc -l oldfile that is |
| 16:36.21 | Dewin | actually |
| 16:36.23 | Dewin | how big is the file? |
| 16:36.33 | nevcairiel | 20-30 lines maybe |
| 16:37.04 | nevcairiel | its a set of files too, or i wouldnt script it, but that doesnt matter anyway =) |
| 16:37.58 | Dewin | okay, here you go: |
| 16:38.45 | nevcairiel | i foudn an easier way |
| 16:38.48 | Dewin | lines=`wc -l $oldfile` ; let lines=$lines-1 ; head -n1 < oldfile >> newfile ; echo "newline" >> newfile ; tail -n$lines < oldfile >> newfile |
| 16:38.49 | nevcairiel | sed 1d |
| 16:38.51 | nevcairiel | delete first line =P |
| 16:39.20 | Dewin | that'd work too. |
| 16:39.29 | Dewin | my sed-fu is even weaker than my bash-fu |
| 16:39.30 | Fisker- | so warcraft 4? >:3 |
| 16:41.13 | Dewin | there actually is a command that's like the inverse of tail, I just forget what it is and I don't think it's really standard yet. |
| 16:41.32 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 16:41.40 | Dewin | oh... |
| 16:41.55 | Dewin | nev: tail -n+2 >.> |
| 16:42.06 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.21 | nevcairiel | i knew it was in there somwhere |
| 16:42.23 | nevcairiel | now its sed! |
| 16:42.56 | Dewin | well if you're using sed there's an even easier way |
| 16:44.08 | Dewin | you could just write a pattern that inserts a line after the first and done. |
| 16:44.31 | nevcairiel | yeah i'm trying to do that |
| 16:46.03 | nevcairiel | sed 2i does it, yay |
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| 16:48.26 | Fisker- | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ <- i lol'd nevcairiel |
| 16:49.43 | Dewin | It's even funnier if you read the text on the poster with a movie preview voice. |
| 16:50.11 | Movix | hello, what kind of profiling addon do you use to see the load of your addon's functions ? |
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| 17:02.42 | molgar | is there a way to make a texture fade same time as the ScrollingMessageFrame.. i tryed to set it "relative" to the frame. but no luck :( |
| 17:03.19 | jaxdahl | someone at blizzcon needs to ask what the word is on mount speed enchants |
| 17:03.31 | Dewin | The texture's alpha is the same as the frame's alpha isn't it? |
| 17:03.44 | Dewin | well, based off of |
| 17:03.47 | Dewin | not neccessarily the same |
| 17:04.12 | molgar | yes the alpha is the same |
| 17:04.30 | foxlit | effective alpha is dependent, yes. |
| 17:04.47 | molgar | wait a min, no its not, its Blend |
| 17:04.52 | molgar | didnt know |
| 17:05.08 | molgar | should i change that ? |
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| 17:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone here have a high level mage/tailor in beta? |
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| 17:29.41 | mikma | anyone knows if "profession leveling addons" exist? |
| 17:30.36 | Syzgyn | mikma: that do what? |
| 17:30.54 | mikma | tell you what items/locations you need to level your professions |
| 17:31.18 | mikma | ie. "herbalism 231 - 250: Feralas" |
| 17:31.43 | Syzgyn | Altoholic does something like that, but thats pretty overkill |
| 17:31.43 | mikma | or "enchanting 101 - 105: Enchant Bracer - Minor Stamina (3 x Strange Dust) x 5# |
| 17:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: there are guides on the forums |
| 17:31.50 | Syzgyn | Guides are your best bet |
| 17:31.59 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: that's why i asked are there any addons for that :) |
| 17:32.38 | Syzgyn | so you want an addon to show you the exact same information in game that you can get in a guide? |
| 17:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | so you want someone to transcribe a guide, into an addon, that does the same thing? |
| 17:32.54 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: I win :P |
| 17:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry, im paying attention to the thrall event in garadar ;) |
| 17:33.08 | mikma | no i don't want anyone to make it as addon, i'm asking do they already exist: D |
| 17:33.11 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 horde storylines |
| 17:33.40 | Syzgyn | mikma: not that I'm aware of. There's little reason to make such an addon, for reasons explained above |
| 17:34.10 | mikma | yeah, i'm looking at the forum-version all the time but i hate windowed/alt-tab |
| 17:34.12 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yeah, i wrote an addon to do that, here's what you do: go into windowed mode, open a web browser... :) |
| 17:34.15 | Syzgyn | PvP panel is about to start It looks like |
| 17:34.29 | Syzgyn | http://www.wcradio.com:8000/listen.pls |
| 17:34.29 | mikma | NightHawkTheSane: <2034> <mikma> yeah, i'm looking at the forum-version all the time but i hate windowed/alt-tab |
| 17:35.02 | Syzgyn | mikma: print it out then :) |
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| 17:35.13 | mikma | gief me printer! |
| 17:35.19 | Syzgyn | go to the library! |
| 17:35.23 | Syzgyn | or kinkos |
| 17:35.35 | mikma | kinkos sounds too kinky |
| 17:35.44 | mikma | and libraries don't have wowguides i can print haha |
| 17:35.46 | Dashkal | PvP panel started: http://media.wcradio.com:8006/listen.pls |
| 17:35.50 | Syzgyn | Overdone joke is overdone :( |
| 17:36.03 | Syzgyn | libraries have internet |
| 17:36.51 | mikma | i think i'll rather code an addon for that :D |
| 17:36.53 | Syzgyn | go for it |
| 17:37.33 | Syzgyn | Kinda weird that you'd be too lazy to alt tab every few minutes, but wanna spend hours writing an addon though |
| 17:38.20 | mikma | lazy has nothing to do with it, my game starts to chop and lag after n+1 alttabs, which results restart of the game |
| 17:38.38 | Syzgyn | so play windowed when you're working on tradeskills? |
| 17:39.15 | mikma | you know what's easier |
| 17:39.19 | mikma | copypaste into tinypad |
| 17:39.26 | Syzgyn | There ya go |
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| 17:41.57 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: depends on your group. if you JUST want consortium, though, zaxxis insignia are faster |
| 17:43.00 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: nah, I want the Kurenai rep too. Warbeads is the way to go, it just feels so dull when you're farming them |
| 17:43.36 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: ah, yeah. trust me, i know. this past week i've been farming mag'har, consortium, and sporeggar rep. doing revered->exalted mag'har in one night made me never want to see another ogre ever again. |
| 17:44.05 | zenzelezz | thank god I'm human |
| 17:44.12 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.23 | Syzgyn | zenzelezz: I'm grinding wintersaber rep currently :( |
| 17:44.37 | zenzelezz | speaking of which, I'm really excited about the new human racial thing |
| 17:45.09 | zenzelezz | Syzgyn: how quickly is that going? I considered doing them eventually, but it looks like it would take forever |
| 17:45.32 | Syzgyn | Once you get to honored, it goes a bit faster |
| 17:45.43 | zenzelezz | really? Do you get new quests then? |
| 17:45.47 | Syzgyn | I think I figured it out to be 23 turnins of the 3 quests from revered-exalted |
| 17:45.48 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 17:46.02 | zenzelezz | hm, maybe not too bad after all then |
| 17:46.12 | Dashkal | hmm, no mounts in the Dalaran arena. Travel form and ghost wolf still work |
| 17:46.14 | Syzgyn | theres the meat, the furblogs, and the giants |
| 17:46.22 | Syzgyn | Dash: Good :) |
| 17:46.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: its got to be a lot easier now than it was pre-bc.. |
| 17:46.49 | Syzgyn | Oh for sure |
| 17:46.55 | NightHawkTheSane | if only because the furbolgs arn't being camped 24/7 |
| 17:47.02 | Syzgyn | doing all 3 quests as human is I think 935 rep |
| 17:47.09 | Syzgyn | something around there |
| 17:47.15 | zenzelezz | they're somewhat camped now, with lots of people getting ready for the achievement |
| 17:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 17:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know if i have the patience to do exalted timbermaw >.> |
| 17:47.47 | Syzgyn | I mostly see lowbies grinding them currently |
| 17:47.50 | zenzelezz | doubt I do. I'm still Unfriendly |
| 17:47.56 | Syzgyn | Ugh timbermaw |
| 17:51.32 | Syzgyn | Thats a cool Strand idea |
| 17:51.47 | Dashkal | Unrela Tournament Assult gametype |
| 17:51.56 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 17:52.01 | Dashkal | I should really queue into that one. I've never tried it |
| 17:52.03 | Syzgyn | I like the timing change though |
| 17:52.18 | Dashkal | it was only 10? O.o |
| 17:52.24 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 17:52.30 | Syzgyn | It did seem too few |
| 17:52.36 | Dashkal | Awfully small for storming the gates... |
| 17:52.37 | Syzgyn | Especially at the start |
| 17:53.49 | Dashkal | Death Grip will see to that disarm bit ;) |
| 17:54.52 | Dashkal | Oh that is win |
| 17:55.06 | Dashkal | Attacking blue wall. Yay for less change for directionally challenged |
| 17:55.12 | Dashkal | chance* |
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| 17:56.05 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 17:56.06 | purl | ~pong |
| 17:56.39 | Atriace | How do you know if an object is not a region? |
| 17:57.50 | Dashkal | check for a method defined on region? |
| 17:57.51 | Atriace | I had assumed simply using obj:GetObjectType() or obj:IsObjectType() might simply return nil if it wasn't an object, but it instead fails because that function doesn't exist for non regions. |
| 17:58.06 | Dashkal | erm... check for that method? |
| 17:58.17 | Atriace | elaborate? |
| 17:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | If obj.GetObjectType then -- object is region; end |
| 17:58.34 | Dashkal | if obj.GetObjectType then <it's a region> |
| 17:58.57 | Atriace | ah... right. That makes complete sense. |
| 17:59.12 | NightHawkTheSane | you could really use any method defined under regions: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Region |
| 18:00.29 | Dashkal | ooo, I like the rankign system. Keep it so deadweight doesn't hurt you like they do in BGs |
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| 18:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hey. i am that dead weight :p |
| 18:02.04 | Dashkal | That raid in wintergrasp sounds very nifty |
| 18:02.47 | Dashkal | Raid time is 7:00, we go kick the horde's ass and if we win we get to raid |
| 18:03.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i prefer "wait for someone else to kick the horde's ass, then do the raid" :P |
| 18:03.24 | NightHawkTheSane | except s/horde/alliance/ |
| 18:03.27 | Dashkal | Works too, but then you're dependant on someone else winning if you want that loot |
| 18:03.42 | Dashkal | Oh, you're horde? Go ahead and just wait for the horde then ;) |
| 18:03.54 | zenzelezz | crap... given that I'm trying to get into a slightly hardcore raid guild, I guess that means I may end up losing my 0 HK score in WotLK |
| 18:03.58 | NightHawkTheSane | trust me, you'd rather i actually fought, i'm terribad :p |
| 18:04.25 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: that is entirely possible. But that raid drops a lot of PvP gear along with PvE. You might choose to sit anyway |
| 18:04.44 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: ooo, come be fodder for me to actually get ranks for vehicles. I'm no better than you :p |
| 18:04.56 | zenzelezz | well, given the new warrior prot tree I might actually want to try PvP anyway. We'll see |
| 18:05.15 | Syzgyn | The wintergrasp boss is stupid easy |
| 18:05.21 | Dashkal | Ok, I might need to actually bite it and get my ass into wintergrasp... |
| 18:05.24 | Dashkal | This sounds fun |
| 18:05.29 | Syzgyn | it'll be more of 'hey, we own wintergrasp, get 10 people real quick' |
| 18:05.41 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: really? sweet |
| 18:06.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been meaning to try out wintergrasp |
| 18:06.13 | NightHawkTheSane | it might be pvp i can actually enjoy |
| 18:06.51 | Dashkal | It sounds exceedingly casual friendly. |
| 18:06.59 | Syzgyn | Its very dependant on how many people do it |
| 18:07.10 | Syzgyn | and how organized they are |
| 18:07.35 | Dashkal | Also makes me glad for the first time that I'm on a PvP server. I'm hoping that leads to more interest |
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| 18:07.38 | Syzgyn | ooh new stuff time? |
| 18:07.43 | Dashkal | ooo |
| 18:07.53 | Dashkal | "...what we have planed for the future of PvP" |
| 18:08.03 | Dashkal | Liveblog for those who don't want to listen: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/11/blizzcon-2008-wow-pvp-panel/ |
| 18:08.29 | mikma | anything interesting? |
| 18:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: honestly, i find relatively simiilar interest in bg-style pvp on both types of servers. |
| 18:08.30 | Dashkal | oh god please please please |
| 18:08.42 | Dashkal | reevaluating the itemization |
| 18:08.45 | NightHawkTheSane | the only difference is pvp servers have people who get off on making other people's lives suck |
| 18:08.58 | Dashkal | they're acknoledging that the arena PvP people aren't the same as the BG people!!! |
| 18:09.02 | Syzgyn | BG rankings! |
| 18:09.50 | Dashkal | heh, jab at the afkavers |
| 18:09.53 | Syzgyn | See, now thats a nice change |
| 18:10.07 | Dashkal | I think I'm a few seconds behind you, Syzgyn |
| 18:10.16 | Syzgyn | queueing from anywhere |
| 18:10.21 | Dashkal | niiice |
| 18:10.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm waitint for the "we realize pvp servers were an idiotic idea, we're going to get rid of them" announcement. that would make me happy |
| 18:10.43 | Syzgyn | >_> |
| 18:10.45 | Syzgyn | Carebear |
| 18:10.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yep :) |
| 18:10.53 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: rofl. Not gonna happen. Too many people who enjoy ganking and play for that reason |
| 18:10.58 | Syzgyn | Q_Q moar! |
| 18:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: yeah, thsoe people deserve to diaf. |
| 18:11.03 | Dashkal | <-- Carebear on a PvP server *sigh* |
| 18:11.12 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: granted, but they pay the same fee we doo |
| 18:11.14 | Dashkal | do* |
| 18:11.22 | Dashkal | GUILD BATTLEGROUNDS?!? |
| 18:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i fail to see how that matters :p |
| 18:11.39 | Dashkal | Ok, Poor Banana Syndicate would get violated, but that sounds damn cool |
| 18:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | $15/mo does not give anyone the right to make someone elses life miserable |
| 18:11.50 | Syzgyn | leveling up in BGs |
| 18:11.55 | Syzgyn | Suck it twinks! |
| 18:11.56 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Blizzard is a business. The asshole's dollar is worth as much as mine. We really can play PvE |
| 18:12.10 | Dashkal | I hate those servers, but I'm choosing to play on one. |
| 18:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: sure, i can, and i do. |
| 18:12.22 | NightHawkTheSane | but it also means i don't get to play with my friends |
| 18:12.39 | Dashkal | this is the price you pay for having friends who are more tolerant of griefing than you are :p |
| 18:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | and as far as i'm concerned, gankers aren't worth the air they breath. |
| 18:12.46 | Dashkal | Of course at max level you can just xfer over |
| 18:13.37 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Just yesterday I was getting ganked on my alt in WPL |
| 18:13.46 | Syzgyn | its frustrating, but getting them back is even more sweet then |
| 18:13.59 | Dashkal | Mostly we deal with it by calling in friends. BS is pretty good about returning the favour. |
| 18:14.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: no, it's not. because, if you haven't been paying attention. i'm terribad at pvp. |
| 18:14.08 | Dashkal | Gankers generally spirit rez before we're done with them |
| 18:14.11 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 18:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i will get routinely killed by people 5-10 levels lower than me |
| 18:14.27 | Dashkal | And I take especial pleasure when I manage to durakill someone *cackles* |
| 18:14.45 | Dashkal | When a ganker runs, I weaken them and try to get mobs on them :p |
| 18:14.48 | Syzgyn | Hunters want to be able to shoot in melee range? wtf |
| 18:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | so as far as i'm concerned, people who world-pvp outside of objectives are all soulless sub-human assholes |
| 18:15.12 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: too far. Similar level world pvp is just fine |
| 18:15.18 | Dashkal | and that's what PvP servers _should_ be for |
| 18:15.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: nah, if you want that, there's the /pvp command |
| 18:15.39 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: or play on a PvE server. |
| 18:15.56 | Dashkal | You don't get to play with your friends because you don't want to play the game your friends wnat to play |
| 18:16.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: thats my point. you can argue about them paying the same amount, but i'm paying the same amount, and NOT playign how i want to play. |
| 18:16.25 | NightHawkTheSane | that's hardly fair either |
| 18:16.50 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: If playing the way you want to play requires forcing that playstyle on people who do not want to play that way, I have no sympathy |
| 18:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not, though |
| 18:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | the /pvp command exists for a reason |
| 18:17.07 | Dashkal | Then play PvE.... |
| 18:17.11 | NightHawkTheSane | if you enjoy that, flag up, and stay flagged |
| 18:17.12 | Dashkal | It is |
| 18:17.20 | Dashkal | the /pvp command leads to unfair advantages |
| 18:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | pvp servers ARE unfair advantages |
| 18:17.28 | Dashkal | Since you choose exactly when to flag |
| 18:17.44 | NightHawkTheSane | no one ever attacks fairly anyway, it's an entirely moot point |
| 18:17.52 | NightHawkTheSane | they don't say "hey, im going to kill you know, are you ready?" |
| 18:18.12 | Syzgyn | Why do you care so much about it then? dont play on one |
| 18:18.18 | Dashkal | Um, it's killing. You expect honorable combat play arena |
| 18:18.25 | NightHawkTheSane | im not saying i expect it |
| 18:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | im saying that aguring that you "choose" when to lag leads to unfair advantages is no point at all. |
| 18:19.09 | NightHawkTheSane | all world pvp is inherently about exploiting an unfair advantage. |
| 18:19.39 | Dashkal | A good chunk of my guild plays PvP because they want the danger. They want to be at risk. Before you say they should just flag the thing on the pvp server is they can still strike first even when the other guy initiates the fight. You lose that on PvE servers |
| 18:19.53 | Dashkal | ok, I'm done with this. Your mind is closed |
| 18:20.04 | Syzgyn | ROFL |
| 18:20.10 | Syzgyn | Booing pallies |
| 18:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: it is, and im okay with that. i have no respect for the people who choose to 'strike first' |
| 18:21.03 | Dashkal | Then stay on your server, and accept that people actively _choose_ to play under the PvP ruleset. |
| 18:22.58 | Dashkal | That could lead to a 1vs40 Suggernaut |
| 18:23.00 | Dashkal | Juggernaut* |
| 18:23.46 | Syzgyn | Yeap |
| 18:24.04 | Dashkal | Yeah... that would encourage me... |
| 18:24.07 | Syzgyn | But 1 guy isnt gonna be able to kill 40 people at once |
| 18:24.12 | Syzgyn | 2-4 at a time |
| 18:24.15 | Dashkal | and when having the numbers advantage I'm gonna stay in a pack for sure |
| 18:24.21 | Syzgyn | but agasinst people actually healing and such, no |
| 18:24.23 | Dashkal | when the underdog you're encouraged to take out loners |
| 18:25.03 | Dashkal | Perfect |
| 18:25.09 | Syzgyn | Yeap :P |
| 18:25.10 | Dashkal | No auto-group so you don't get free HKs |
| 18:26.15 | Dashkal | We still need a way to deal with them, though. Problem is AFKers are inherently griefing their side by contributying ot the other side's tenacity buff |
| 18:26.38 | Syzgyn | Tenacity isnt that overpowered |
| 18:26.51 | Syzgyn | I'm pretty sure if the numbers are only a few off, theres no buff |
| 18:26.59 | Dashkal | Anytime someone on my faction works to hurt me I want to punch them through their monitor :p |
| 18:27.00 | Syzgyn | its only for substancial outnumbering |
| 18:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: it could easily be a simple formula, to make the relative damage output of the two sides equal, assuming each person has a damage output of 1.0.. |
| 18:28.40 | Syzgyn | I'm saying how its working in beta right now |
| 18:28.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 18:28.52 | Syzgyn | if its 35-38 I dont believe theres a buff |
| 18:28.59 | NightHawkTheSane | thats a shame, a nice formula would have been cooler |
| 18:30.04 | Syzgyn | they might change it, I dunno |
| 18:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, it'd be cool of gear evaluations factored into that too |
| 18:31.10 | Dashkal | starcraft lore vs raid and dungeons.... I'm gonna be reviewing recordings for sure... |
| 18:31.11 | Syzgyn | That has the potential to get really imbalanced really quick |
| 18:31.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: hm? |
| 18:32.14 | Syzgyn | The more complex the formula, the more susceptible it is to abuse |
| 18:32.38 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but given only two factors, i dont think it'd be that bad. |
| 18:32.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, ultimately in pvp the only two real variables are group size and gearing |
| 18:34.05 | Dashkal | Skill? |
| 18:34.12 | Syzgyn | gearing is a whole set of variables though |
| 18:34.15 | NightHawkTheSane | skill isn't something t hat should be accounted for, though |
| 18:34.24 | Syzgyn | Why not? |
| 18:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | er, rather.. |
| 18:34.38 | NightHawkTheSane | skill should be what lets one group prevail over the other, not balanced out by a formula |
| 18:34.43 | Dashkal | mmm, true |
| 18:34.46 | Syzgyn | fair enough |
| 18:35.32 | Dashkal | Gear should affect pairing, but not in-fight balance. Gear is your reward for being good, so you shouldn't be penalized down to the level of the s1 people just cause you're fighting them |
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| 18:35.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: ideally, thats true, but for things like bgs and wintergrasp, thats difficult to do |
| 18:36.20 | Dashkal | BGs can be done (I see lots and lots of queues for each battleground) Wintergrasp is a problem |
| 18:36.25 | Syzgyn | Thus it'd be a bad idea to implement it at all :P |
| 18:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | wintergrasp is probably the big problem, just because any idiot can fly in |
| 18:36.50 | Dashkal | I've seen 30+ AVs at once. No reason you can't sort the players by ilvl or some such as a minimum |
| 18:37.08 | Dashkal | The thing about wintergrasp though is dead weight doesn't hurt you like it did. You can always fly more in |
| 18:37.12 | nevcairiel | wintergrasp will probably so suck on our realm. we have a very high alliance balance, doubt much horde would go in there at all |
| 18:37.17 | Syzgyn | So what happens when I queue up in all greys then? |
| 18:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: the main issue there becomes queue times again, becuase now instead of just filling it up with whoever, you need to wait for 20, or 40 equally geared people |
| 18:37.42 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: if such a thing were done, you'd be locked in teh gear you queued in |
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| 18:38.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: nah, it'd queue based on the best gear you have in your inventory/bank |
| 18:38.10 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: could work as well |
| 18:38.21 | Dashkal | long as it filters for PvP gear. No resil == dead |
| 18:38.28 | Shirik|Ecole | rawr |
| 18:38.34 | Syzgyn | You're already getting too complex |
| 18:38.36 | nevcairiel | i was about to say that Dashkal, hehe |
| 18:38.45 | nevcairiel | my OP PvE gear doesnt help me |
| 18:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | (which, i digress, is the other massive problem..) |
| 18:39.06 | Dashkal | An s2 will munch a sunwell pve geared player simply because they're taking so much less damage |
| 18:39.14 | Syzgyn | nev: question |
| 18:39.38 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 18:40.00 | Syzgyn | Is there something I can use with mapster thats equivalent to the notes/icons you can place on the map with cartographer? |
| 18:40.08 | nevcairiel | HandyNotes |
| 18:40.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ideally, i'd like to see pvp gear usable only in bgs/arenas, etc, and have pve gear completley unusable as well, if you lack a pvp piece for a slot, you're given a base level "loaner" |
| 18:40.46 | Syzgyn | Link? |
| 18:41.07 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: I use several pieces of PvP gear while raiding |
| 18:41.13 | Syzgyn | my S4 BP is better than T6 |
| 18:41.17 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/projects/?search=handynotes |
| 18:41.18 | Shirik|Ecole | and NightHawkTheSane thinks that's bad :) |
| 18:41.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: which is something that also needs to change |
| 18:41.23 | Shirik|Ecole | and I partially agree |
| 18:41.23 | nevcairiel | also has some plugins for various information |
| 18:41.25 | nevcairiel | if you want that |
| 18:41.27 | Syzgyn | Cant argue with that |
| 18:41.29 | Syzgyn | but it'll always happen |
| 18:41.35 | Syzgyn | Thanks nev |
| 18:41.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont like people gearing for pve with pvp gear, and vise versa, honestly |
| 18:41.50 | Syzgyn | I agree its kinda dumb |
| 18:42.02 | Syzgyn | but I'd much rather they fix itemization so it doesnt happen |
| 18:42.06 | Syzgyn | rather than penalizing it |
| 18:42.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: its difficult to do that, though, because at some point, high level pvp itemization will always outstrip pve gear of a tier or two lower |
| 18:42.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm a priest, I don't have this problem :) |
| 18:42.59 | Shirik|Ecole | Priest PVP gear is horrible (healing-wise at least) for pve |
| 18:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: the same is pretty much true for all healers |
| 18:43.22 | nevcairiel | If you are on-par with pve progress, you never have to |
| 18:43.29 | Shirik|Ecole | no, paladin gear is decent |
| 18:43.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I think |
| 18:43.34 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 18:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | too much resilience |
| 18:43.37 | nevcairiel | but if you are stuck in t5 content, but can get S4 |
| 18:43.39 | NightHawkTheSane | takes away from usefl stats |
| 18:43.55 | Dashkal | Has anybody attempted to iceblock mid-flight from a death grip? |
| 18:44.13 | Dashkal | Just curious if you can use it to _stop_ somewhere in the flight and just fall straight down |
| 18:45.18 | Syzgyn | I dont think so |
| 18:45.21 | Syzgyn | I think you keep moving |
| 18:45.44 | Dashkal | Given that it stops freefall (I've often wondered WTF on that one) I figured it would stop DG as well |
| 18:47.10 | Shirik|Ecole | hi Cide |
| 18:47.14 | Shirik|Ecole | we miss you <3 |
| 18:47.32 | Shirik|Ecole | All 160 people in here that didn't come to blizzcon, evil |
| 18:47.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:47.44 | purl | takes a big bite out of Shirik|Ecole's jugular vein |
| 18:47.50 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
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| 18:48.53 | Fisker- | hows blizzcon? |
| 18:49.00 | Shirik|Ecole | fun times |
| 18:49.06 | zenzelezz | and where's all the pictures of the gurls? |
| 18:49.25 | Syzgyn | Dashkal: It doesnt stop freefall... |
| 18:49.50 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: it doesn't? ok, mage time |
| 18:50.01 | Dashkal | I am apparently really confused |
| 18:50.02 | Shirik|Ecole | not digital, zenzelezz :) |
| 18:50.09 | zenzelezz | ! |
| 18:50.11 | zenzelezz | useless |
| 18:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:50.12 | purl | executes killall -HUP Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:50.16 | Shirik|Ecole | also, I don't want Cairenn / Seerah / Peppy to kil lme |
| 18:50.32 | zenzelezz | if Tierre survived, I'm sure you will too |
| 18:50.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i think seerah said she didn't mind. |
| 18:50.34 | Fisker- | i'll kill you |
| 18:50.43 | nevcairiel | Shirik|Ecole: but we want |
| 18:50.46 | Dashkal | Oh there has to be photos of the dinners and such |
| 18:50.49 | Shirik|Ecole | oh there are |
| 18:50.56 | Shirik|Ecole | in fact, Cairenn didn't even notice me taking pictures at the dinner |
| 18:51.01 | Shirik|Ecole | so worked out pretty well |
| 18:51.03 | nevcairiel | win! |
| 18:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | excellent |
| 18:51.15 | Fisker- | ZOMG NKAED? |
| 18:51.18 | Shirik|Ecole | .. |
| 18:51.24 | nevcairiel | Shirik|Ecole you couldve asked some smart question at the UI Panel, srsly |
| 18:51.34 | Shirik|Ecole | hahaha |
| 18:51.36 | Syzgyn | Once again Fisker- speaks everyones minds :P |
| 18:51.37 | Shirik|Ecole | did you see the questions asked? |
| 18:51.43 | nevcairiel | we listend to the stream |
| 18:51.59 | Fisker- | You didn't tell them to make signups in the calendar |
| 18:52.02 | Fisker- | pretty disappointed |
| 18:52.10 | Shirik|Ecole | hate to say it, I wanted to stab some of those people |
| 18:52.11 | Fisker- | Not to mention the 4-5 irrelevant and sometimes downright stupid questions |
| 18:52.13 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:52.16 | Shirik|Ecole | however |
| 18:52.17 | Shirik|Ecole | best question |
| 18:52.27 | Shirik|Ecole | "Will all my addons break in 3.0?" "No we don't think so, the changes are minor" |
| 18:52.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 18:52.35 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: does too |
| 18:52.44 | nevcairiel | its kind of true |
| 18:52.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: both the question and response amused me. |
| 18:52.56 | Syzgyn | Dashkal: live or beta? |
| 18:52.57 | nevcairiel | compared to 2.0 =P |
| 18:53.07 | Shirik|Ecole | compared to 2.0 sure |
| 18:53.09 | Dashkal | ahh, that's what's up[ |
| 18:53.12 | Shirik|Ecole | but things will still break :P |
| 18:53.14 | Dashkal | ok, no, but it stops me above the ground |
| 18:53.19 | Dashkal | Found abigger cliff |
| 18:53.22 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 18:53.29 | NightHawkTheSane | most action bars and unit frames will have issues if they're not updated :p |
| 18:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | which are the two things most people will mod, if anything |
| 18:53.41 | Dashkal | First attempt I hit it at the last second and my hooves didn't touch ground, second time I hit it sooner and fell a ways |
| 18:54.05 | Fisker- | Shirik|Ecole though |
| 18:54.11 | Fisker- | tell them to make signups for calendar |
| 18:54.21 | Shirik|Ecole | make an addon to do it! |
| 18:54.27 | Fisker- | Any stupid question, and you've been authorized to take him out back |
| 18:54.30 | Fisker- | no u Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:54.37 | Syzgyn | I jumped down into ungoro yesterday and kept falling |
| 18:54.46 | Dashkal | My poor mage... doomed in a month |
| 18:54.52 | Dashkal | He's become a name saver for my DK |
| 18:54.58 | Fisker- | oh and Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:54.59 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 18:55.08 | Fisker- | "Make an addon that fixed the guild ui" then |
| 18:55.09 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:55.12 | Fisker- | i win |
| 18:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: I only have one question... we getting a group photo this year? |
| 18:55.26 | nevcairiel | Shirik|Ecole: find slouken or zoot and ask them about the LoadOnDemand+OptDep change! |
| 18:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: wait what? |
| 18:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: I posted a bug related to LoD + OptDep on the live forums |
| 18:55.43 | nevcairiel | OptDep does no longer load LoD addons |
| 18:55.48 | nevcairiel | in 3.0 |
| 18:55.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I suspect that's a side effect of them trying to fix said bug |
| 18:56.05 | nevcairiel | It was like that since beta release :/ |
| 18:56.08 | nevcairiel | we never got a real response |
| 18:56.11 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: what bug? |
| 18:56.13 | Fisker- | EU nevcairiel |
| 18:56.14 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:56.19 | Dashkal | meh, raids and dungeons or sc lore... this is killing me |
| 18:56.20 | Shirik|Ecole | if I find someone I'll ask them nevcairiel |
| 18:56.25 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: it was on US forums :P |
| 18:56.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't know if I'll see them today unfortunately |
| 18:56.35 | Fisker- | Shirik|Ecole under penalty of death you are to ask about signups first >:E |
| 18:56.47 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: starting now? |
| 18:56.53 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: 4 minutes by my time |
| 18:57.09 | theduke | is there any Event thats only fired on login, not after ReloadUI() ? |
| 18:57.16 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: what was the bug you posted? |
| 18:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yssaril: if you have an addon that specifices more than one loadmanager, and both loadmanagers are disabled, then your addon will never load (which is the opposite of what should happen) |
| 18:57.20 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 18:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: ^ |
| 18:57.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis disabled, installed but disabled |
| 18:57.42 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: iirc, that also happend with only one LM |
| 18:57.47 | Fisker- | btw nevcairiel |
| 18:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kind of a tricky logic bug so I can see them breaking stuff |
| 18:57.56 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: ah, well, just the same |
| 18:57.59 | Fisker- | UI stuff's actually been quite silent |
| 18:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Addon should just load, addon didn't |
| 18:58.10 | Fisker- | Isn't there usually a lot of feedback going on? >:3 |
| 18:58.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't |
| 18:58.11 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 18:58.15 | nevcairiel | i encountered that bug too |
| 18:58.30 | nevcairiel | guess its too late to sneak a fix to that into 3.0.2 |
| 18:58.36 | nevcairiel | if we would at least get confirmation |
| 18:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I wrote up a pretty good explanation and posted it some months back |
| 18:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: yeah, if there's an okay time, think you'll get a chance to ask about that? |
| 18:58.56 | nevcairiel | is that at least working now? =P |
| 18:58.57 | Fisker- | Nah there's lots of time |
| 18:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno |
| 18:59.09 | Fisker- | Only 0 workdays left for a release |
| 18:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm too lazy to create enough addons to test :P |
| 18:59.28 | nevcairiel | like, two? |
| 18:59.29 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 18:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | But hearing people talk about how LoD had changed (see the earlier Ace lib bug) made me think back to that and put two and two together |
| 19:00.19 | nevcairiel | At first we only though that LoD didnt load from OptDep when Interface was below 30000 |
| 19:00.23 | nevcairiel | but apparently that was false |
| 19:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 19:00.27 | nevcairiel | and it doesnt load them at all |
| 19:00.32 | Dashkal | oh god, whoever is mixing that cinematic into the room 204 stream needs to diaf |
| 19:00.49 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: yeah |
| 19:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: <3 |
| 19:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: wait to which question? :) |
| 19:01.10 | nevcairiel | isnt there a big Q&A session today |
| 19:01.13 | Shirik|Ecole | about asking |
| 19:01.16 | nevcairiel | wonder if the UI guys are there |
| 19:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 'k, cool |
| 19:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not the only one who is curious |
| 19:01.35 | nevcairiel | we have a rather big thread on wowace forums about it |
| 19:01.38 | nevcairiel | and how to deal with it |
| 19:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And btw, group photo go! |
| 19:01.48 | Shirik|Ecole | yes there is nevcairiel |
| 19:01.54 | Shirik|Ecole | if they're there I can ask about it :) |
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| 19:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I kind of want to see a swarm of 40 people in said photo |
| 19:02.06 | Shirik|Ecole | problem is that's pushing my time limits |
| 19:02.12 | Shirik|Ecole | but we'll see what I can do |
| 19:02.28 | ScytheBlade1 | OH |
| 19:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | you find your professor? ;) |
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| 19:02.52 | nevcairiel | right now we're considering to just remove LoadOnDemand from all the libs on wowace so they load properly, but huh |
| 19:02.57 | Shirik|Ecole | not yet |
| 19:04.01 | Shirik|Ecole | is the problem on beta and ptr? |
| 19:04.15 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:04.16 | nevcairiel | on 3.0 |
| 19:04.34 | nevcairiel | OptDeps that are LoD dont load anymore automatically |
| 19:04.39 | nevcairiel | is all^ |
| 19:04.48 | nevcairiel | bug or feature :) |
| 19:05.03 | Shirik|Ecole | (unless they're not optional to others?) |
| 19:05.06 | Syzgyn | D&R panel is starting now |
| 19:05.13 | Shirik|Ecole | yes I know |
| 19:05.16 | Shirik|Ecole | and Tem and I are late |
| 19:05.17 | nevcairiel | ReqDeps dont load either |
| 19:05.21 | nevcairiel | if LoD |
| 19:05.22 | Syzgyn | ~failrik |
| 19:05.23 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:05.30 | Shirik|Ecole | so bye |
| 19:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | bye |
| 19:05.35 | nevcairiel | bye! |
| 19:05.54 | Dashkal | Well that got easier. I can't make out the SC lore panel |
| 19:06.01 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 19:06.22 | Dashkal | I was gonna liveblog the warcraft one and listen to SC, but SC is peaking like crazy and he has a deep voice |
| 19:07.43 | NightHawkTheSane | damn, i kinda wish there was a video stream of the dungeon & raid panel |
| 19:08.23 | Dashkal | I'm very glad I had a chance to do HoL already so my imagination can fill in |
| 19:08.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, same |
| 19:08.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd still ike to see it though |
| 19:08.38 | Dashkal | That won't fly for naxx |
| 19:08.43 | Dashkal | I've never been |
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| 19:09.24 | Syzgyn | Heh |
| 19:09.34 | Dashkal | Ok, if we're the size of their toe, why are the platforms so damn small? |
| 19:09.42 | NightHawkTheSane | for their servants |
| 19:09.49 | Dashkal | They wouldn |
| 19:09.55 | Dashkal | They wouldn't fit in that place |
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| 19:14.28 | Syzgyn | Ahn'kahen is fucking cool |
| 19:14.32 | Syzgyn | if you havent been there |
| 19:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | it is. |
| 19:14.53 | nevcairiel | thats the only damn 5man i didnt go to yet |
| 19:14.56 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 19:15.05 | Dashkal | I have yet to try any of Azol'Nerub |
| 19:15.06 | Dewin | Hmm... auto-add members to groups in LFG is clearly broken. |
| 19:15.09 | Syzgyn | The last boss is one of the most fun I've seen in a loooong time too |
| 19:15.15 | Dewin | My wife just joined a group where the leader set it to auto-add members. |
| 19:15.20 | Dewin | It invited 3 members and then kicked my wife and the group leader. |
| 19:15.45 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 19:17.09 | Dashkal | Having an effect on all of northrent? I wasn't aware at all. It doesn't really spill out apparently |
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| 19:17.24 | Syzgyn | heh yea |
| 19:17.33 | Syzgyn | theres like, 2 quests to do with in in dragonblight |
| 19:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, they dont play up the nerubian bit as much as i'd have liked |
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| 19:19.19 | Syzgyn | I didnt like that the first boss is just sorta sitting in a corner |
| 19:19.23 | Syzgyn | not doing anything |
| 19:21.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i totally didn't get that fight at first >< |
| 19:21.41 | Syzgyn | which? |
| 19:21.49 | NightHawkTheSane | final boss of that instance |
| 19:21.59 | Syzgyn | I loved it |
| 19:22.01 | Syzgyn | so cool |
| 19:22.08 | Syzgyn | and challenging |
| 19:22.11 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i love it now that i get it, i was just.. very confused the first time :) |
| 19:22.38 | Dashkal | That sounds DAMN cool |
| 19:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it really si |
| 19:23.34 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 19:23.53 | Dashkal | I should try to get in there before beta ends... |
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| 19:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you should :) |
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| 19:27.05 | Mike-N-Go | What I am trying to do is run some code when a trade-skill line is clicked with the right mouse button. Currently, I am have button:SetScript("OnClick", myFunc()), and it runs myFunc() on left click, yet trying to do "OnRightClick" or a variation of that does not work. If you cannot understand what I am trying to do, let me know if you want a code snippet. |
| 19:27.32 | Dashkal | nifty concept |
| 19:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: sartherion? yeah, its a pretty cool design |
| 19:28.16 | Dashkal | I love unobtrusive difficulty settings like that |
| 19:28.33 | Syzgyn | Mike-N-Go: Are you registering to recieve right clicks? |
| 19:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | the really neat thing is that that mechanic works on both 10 and 25 man, so there's ultimately 8 different veersions of that instance :p |
| 19:28.56 | Syzgyn | assuming its a button frame |
| 19:29.04 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:29.26 | Mike-N-Go | It is the TradeSkillSkill frames I am talking about. |
| 19:29.40 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: What do you mean, register? |
| 19:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont like the wya they did the key for eye of eternity |
| 19:30.23 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Button_RegisterForClicks |
| 19:30.25 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 19:30.41 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: seems like it could cause issues/drama with people leaving the guild |
| 19:30.49 | Syzgyn | ... |
| 19:30.58 | nevcairiel | doesnt everyone get it when you kill saph? |
| 19:31.07 | Syzgyn | Did you miss the part where they said 'only one person needs it' |
| 19:31.23 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: Oh, so I might need to register for the click, okay, I'll try that. |
| 19:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | probably, but what i mean is, you could have the key, join a guild that doesn't.. kill malygos a bunch.. and then leave.. and the guild cant kill malygos anymore. |
| 19:32.02 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably an edge case, i realize. It just feels a little awkward. |
| 19:32.10 | nevcairiel | sucks to be them if they dont get saph down |
| 19:32.16 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 19:32.26 | Syzgyn | if you cant clear naxx you shouldnt be doing malygos |
| 19:32.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, last time i did naxx, malygos was easier than saph |
| 19:32.54 | Dashkal | so glad they learned form that mistake... |
| 19:33.08 | nevcairiel | i didnt do malygos yet, so dunno |
| 19:33.24 | Dashkal | Herioc gear is plainly better than normal |
| 19:33.51 | NightHawkTheSane | but that was a while ago, and malygos was actually a bit buggy at the time, so i may be wrong about how it turns out *shrug* |
| 19:33.52 | Syzgyn | Mike-N-Go: check out http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnClick too |
| 19:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm multiple types of badges |
| 19:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: it works rather well |
| 19:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I like |
| 19:34.34 | nevcairiel | yeah the idea is nice |
| 19:34.36 | Syzgyn | yep |
| 19:34.44 | Syzgyn | No more running kara for BT level gear :P |
| 19:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | inc QQQQ "whaaa now I can't get good gear without raiding anymore whaaaaaaaa" |
| 19:34.55 | Syzgyn | hehe |
| 19:35.08 | nevcairiel | oh sets overlap 10 and 25? |
| 19:35.09 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 19:35.15 | nevcairiel | the bonus, that is |
| 19:35.16 | Mike-N-Go | I looked at that earlier, yet it did not have any examples for how to use it. |
| 19:35.20 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: SOOO glad for that change. I do not want to be getting my 5 badges a day for BT loot |
| 19:35.26 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 19:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: eh, i wouldn't be surprised if emblem of heroism loot gets bumped up as well, but emblem of valor loot will be comparably bumped i imagine |
| 19:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | same QQ applies though |
| 19:35.52 | Dashkal | Though my tune will change when the next xpack comes on the horizion. At that point allowing us to trade up badges may not be such a bad thing |
| 19:36.01 | Stanzilla | Q&A now :) |
| 19:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:36.05 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: next tier of raid instance could add new, again |
| 19:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Good question |
| 19:36.22 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: new tier of badges you mean? arguably true |
| 19:36.27 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I approve of this question |
| 19:36.34 | nevcairiel | and yea, good question |
| 19:36.37 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 19:36.41 | Dashkal | pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease |
| 19:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | So no, not now |
| 19:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But eventually |
| 19:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I approve |
| 19:36.58 | Dashkal | I can live with that as long as it's on their table |
| 19:37.03 | Dashkal | ok, time to go RL. |
| 19:37.35 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 19:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | YYYYYYEEEESSSSSSSS |
| 19:37.43 | jaxdahl | what |
| 19:37.44 | jaxdahl | what |
| 19:37.46 | jaxdahl | whaaaaaaaat |
| 19:37.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i could honestly live without legendaries in the game |
| 19:37.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Next orange pixels item will be a caster based item |
| 19:37.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss |
| 19:38.05 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 19:38.07 | Fisker- | yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss? |
| 19:38.24 | Syzgyn | GOOD |
| 19:38.26 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 19:38.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, i like that answer |
| 19:38.28 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 19:38.28 | NightHawkTheSane | "no" |
| 19:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "no" x3 |
| 19:38.33 | nevcairiel | and both at once |
| 19:38.36 | nevcairiel | 3? |
| 19:38.38 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 19:38.42 | NightHawkTheSane | 3, but yeah, awesome :) |
| 19:38.42 | nevcairiel | sound isnt that good |
| 19:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone needs to ask about the respec *price* |
| 19:39.33 | nevcairiel | giev uldum |
| 19:39.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to see grim batol |
| 19:39.47 | nevcairiel | that too |
| 19:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Agree @ grim batol |
| 19:40.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Balance druid loooooooooool |
| 19:40.13 | NightHawkTheSane | which, honestly, with the dragonflight stuff happening in wotlk.. looks like it might have a place soon... i hope |
| 19:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But good question |
| 19:40.34 | nevcairiel | there is an announced raid dungeon without specifics yet |
| 19:40.37 | nevcairiel | for 3.2 iirc |
| 19:40.38 | NightHawkTheSane | surprisingly good questions in this panel |
| 19:40.44 | Mike-N-Go | Now I am getting a " TradeSkillSkill1 doesn't have a "OnRightButtonDown" script" error on my _G["TradeSkillSkill1":SetScript("OnRightButtonDown", myFunc()). |
| 19:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, surprisingly |
| 19:40.47 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 19:41.00 | Syzgyn | Mike-N-Go: There is no OnRightButtonDown |
| 19:41.08 | Syzgyn | its all OnClick |
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| 19:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i think he missed the point of the question |
| 19:41.13 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_handlers |
| 19:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 19:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | EPIC WIN QUESTION |
| 19:41.34 | nevcairiel | not going to happen, i bet |
| 19:41.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And they're walking around it |
| 19:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 19:41.59 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 19:42.05 | Syzgyn | What did you expect? :P |
| 19:42.06 | nevcairiel | but the set for badge is nice too |
| 19:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Die @ shoutouts |
| 19:42.10 | nevcairiel | although old news |
| 19:42.11 | NightHawkTheSane | that's the "we're not tailoring drops to your group" answer >< |
| 19:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Another good question though |
| 19:43.01 | nevcairiel | i actually liked proper progress path for BT etc |
| 19:43.04 | nevcairiel | but huh |
| 19:43.07 | Fisker- | Q: "As a moonkin you solved a lot of gear problems, but now 70% of the raid is going to be rolling on my caster weapon. Going to solve this so we don't have to see the same weapon drop 30 times?" A: "You should see the same proportions of caster and melee weapons drop." They didn't really answer the question in my opinino. |
| 19:43.12 | Fisker- | L2NotFail |
| 19:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i kind of agree, but i really like opening up content to anyone |
| 19:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | loooooooooool |
| 19:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay a terrible question |
| 19:43.31 | Stanzilla | hahah |
| 19:43.32 | Fisker- | Removing a lot of shitty items due to having 5 billion different items for classes = MORE drops of the "good" itams |
| 19:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | "Can my pet replace a warrior?" was what was heard |
| 19:43.48 | Syzgyn | hehe |
| 19:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | NO |
| 19:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | DIE |
| 19:44.59 | ScytheBlade1 | STOP SHOUTING CRAP OUT |
| 19:45.18 | Syzgyn | Hah |
| 19:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And duh |
| 19:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Redundant question |
| 19:45.30 | NightHawkTheSane | thats a dumb question |
| 19:45.31 | nevcairiel | stupid question |
| 19:45.35 | nevcairiel | of course it will be harder |
| 19:45.38 | Syzgyn | No |
| 19:45.42 | Syzgyn | everything is naxx level |
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| 19:45.43 | Syzgyn | FOREVAH |
| 19:45.43 | NightHawkTheSane | "gee, are you going to make things harder than the entry level raid dungeon? |
| 19:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | " |
| 19:46.01 | Mike-N-Go | I am confused on how to use http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnClick, there is no code snippet there, where might I find such a snippet? |
| 19:46.37 | foxlit | button:SetScript("OnClick", function(self, button) --[[ ... do stuff here ... ]] end); |
| 19:46.57 | Syzgyn | for what you want, you can use if button == "LeftButton" then ... end |
| 19:46.58 | foxlit | oh, er, down |
| 19:47.02 | Syzgyn | or RightButton |
| 19:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But a good question there |
| 19:47.45 | foxlit | That page need some love, actually |
| 19:47.47 | nevcairiel | BRS was nice, though |
| 19:48.13 | Syzgyn | NO SHUT UP |
| 19:48.24 | Syzgyn | Leave URBS alone |
| 19:48.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i think he just described the entire point of heroics |
| 19:48.38 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:48.48 | nevcairiel | also i miss the days of damn hard heroics in BC |
| 19:48.50 | foxlit | heroics had a point? |
| 19:48.51 | nevcairiel | pre-2.1 was great |
| 19:49.06 | nevcairiel | it was actually challenging :p |
| 19:49.31 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: eh, yeah, but it was also genually -really- hard for people who were just gearing up, and difficult to pug because of it |
| 19:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They shouldn't have booed him there |
| 19:50.00 | Syzgyn | The downside was post 2.1 made pugging impossible by flooding it with terribles |
| 19:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "I think you're wrong, but okay" needs to be said more |
| 19:51.07 | Syzgyn | hahaha |
| 19:51.15 | Syzgyn | They didnt know what to do |
| 19:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | "No" |
| 19:51.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "Why?" |
| 19:51.54 | ScytheBlade1 | "BECAUSE IT'D BE THE SAME INSTANCE ON THE SAME LOCKOUT" |
| 19:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | l2instance mechanics before you ask a question |
| 19:52.10 | nevcairiel | for heroic, yea |
| 19:52.48 | Syzgyn | If you wanna do all of em, go out and do the next one! |
| 19:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I sense another stupid question |
| 19:53.03 | nevcairiel | most dungeons even have a exit |
| 19:53.12 | Syzgyn | Nooooooo bad |
| 19:53.16 | nevcairiel | stupid question |
| 19:53.19 | nevcairiel | RNG QQ |
| 19:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally called it |
| 19:53.22 | Syzgyn | ~fail blizzcon person |
| 19:53.23 | purl | blizzcon person: FAIL! |
| 19:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That question was already asked |
| 19:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Same answer too! |
| 19:54.21 | nevcairiel | at least consistent |
| 19:54.23 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | LISTEN BEFORE YOU ASK A QUESTION TO WHAT WAS ALREADY ASKED |
| 19:54.39 | Industrial | why |
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| 19:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Good question |
| 19:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ 2 minutes |
| 19:55.02 | Industrial | :) |
| 19:55.09 | Syzgyn | I missed that |
| 19:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That same prick has been yelling through the entire panel |
| 19:55.14 | Syzgyn | 2 minutes? lol |
| 19:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | He yelled "two minutes!" |
| 19:55.26 | nevcairiel | i bet its Shirik|Ecole |
| 19:55.28 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 19:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | He doesn't quite raid like that |
| 19:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Good question here though |
| 19:56.19 | Syzgyn | yyeah |
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| 19:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 19:56.45 | NightHawkTheSane | woo! |
| 19:56.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i like that answer |
| 19:56.49 | ScytheBlade1 | _Wow_ |
| 19:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | A straight answer |
| 19:56.56 | Syzgyn | liek zomg |
| 19:56.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i know, crazy :p |
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| 19:57.10 | nevcairiel | they already said ashbringer will be continued |
| 19:57.14 | nevcairiel | doh |
| 19:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | They did |
| 19:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Sigh |
| 19:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Way to waste a question |
| 19:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ day or so |
| 19:57.34 | Syzgyn | Hahaha |
| 19:57.40 | nevcairiel | patch confirmation :p |
| 19:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 19:57.58 | Syzgyn | yep :P |
| 19:58.00 | ScytheBlade1 | This could be good |
| 19:58.17 | nevcairiel | he uses t3? |
| 19:58.21 | nevcairiel | o.o |
| 19:58.22 | jaxdahl | patch confirmation for this coming tuesday? |
| 19:58.23 | Mike-N-Go | I am still having trouble with this, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98041 is a snippet of the code I am working on. |
| 19:58.24 | ScytheBlade1 | T3 had a hot bonus |
| 19:58.37 | nevcairiel | but it has to totally gimp your other stats |
| 19:58.49 | nevcairiel | thats like druids |
| 19:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=526 |
| 19:58.54 | nevcairiel | they HATED the t4 bonus |
| 19:58.56 | nevcairiel | (feral) |
| 19:59.02 | Syzgyn | Why are you hooking on a button click Mike? |
| 19:59.07 | nevcairiel | because they had to use T4-2pc in sunwell still |
| 19:59.16 | ScytheBlade1 | LFG question, yay |
| 19:59.55 | nevcairiel | 30 min break, or? |
| 19:59.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay @ Q&A |
| 20:00.01 | Mike-N-Go | Because that is what my example, CraftyGnome, did. Except that was with double click. |
| 20:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | 10 I think |
| 20:00.05 | jaxdahl | did they say 3.0.2 coming tuesday? |
| 20:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 20:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | q&a not scheduled until 1:30 |
| 20:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | They said "next day or two" |
| 20:00.21 | foxlit | So what are you actually having trouble with? |
| 20:00.22 | NightHawkTheSane | "tuesday" ;) |
| 20:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Which equates to monday |
| 20:00.26 | nevcairiel | jaxdahl: he said something about "if you want to get atiesh, do it the next day or so" |
| 20:00.31 | ScytheBlade1 | So technically no they did not say patch tuesday |
| 20:00.36 | ScytheBlade1 | But "very very soon" |
| 20:00.45 | nevcairiel | man that ad sucks |
| 20:00.50 | Syzgyn | Mike-N-Go: what are you trying to have it do again? |
| 20:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like the next panel is at 1:30, so 30m |
| 20:01.27 | nevcairiel | wonder if we'll hear shirik with our question, ha :P |
| 20:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda hope not |
| 20:01.47 | Mike-N-Go | I am trying to get some code to run when one of the craft/tradeskill frame's item is clicked with the right button of the mouse. |
| 20:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | We can get an answer on our own >_> |
| 20:01.53 | Syzgyn | ok |
| 20:02.05 | foxlit | So is your handler called? |
| 20:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ICY Info: StreamTitle='eXorb - My Bubble Point';StreamUrl='http://www.wcradio.com'; |
| 20:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | music inc |
| 20:02.30 | nevcairiel | the music generally sucks that they play |
| 20:02.41 | Mike-N-Go | I had problems with double click, as it interred with CraftyGnome. |
| 20:02.49 | bleeter | For all the Winers in teh house, Wine 1.1.6 release ~24 hours ago |
| 20:02.52 | foxlit | :HookScript |
| 20:02.58 | foxlit | may be what you're looking for |
| 20:04.21 | Syzgyn | Yes |
| 20:04.26 | Syzgyn | I had forgotten the name |
| 20:05.47 | Syzgyn | Mike-N-Go: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98044 |
| 20:07.20 | Mike-N-Go | Syzgyn: Hum, still not running. |
| 20:07.51 | Syzgyn | See if its hooking correctly at least |
| 20:09.47 | Mike-N-Go | With button:HookScript("OnClick", function(self, button) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Click") end), it only activates on my left click. |
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| 20:11.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's because you have to enable both buttons iirc |
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| 20:11.38 | Syzgyn | can you use RegisterForClicks on secure stuff? |
| 20:12.02 | JoshBorke | Mike-N-Go: you could try: button:HookScript("OnMouseDown", function(self, button) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Clicked with "..tostring(button)) end) |
| 20:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what you should do right there |
| 20:12.41 | Syzgyn | there ya go |
| 20:13.33 | JoshBorke | but it triggers when you try to drag too |
| 20:14.09 | foxlit | "Syzgyn: can you use RegisterForClicks on secure stuff?" yes, nothing very special there |
| 20:14.16 | Mike-N-Go | Try to drag what? |
| 20:14.17 | Syzgyn | That would work too then |
| 20:14.36 | Syzgyn | JoshBorke: you can just use OnMouseUp then :P |
| 20:14.52 | JoshBorke | Syzgyn: indeed! |
| 20:15.13 | Mike-N-Go | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98045 I got to do what I wanted. |
| 20:16.15 | foxlit | Yeah, well, about that. |
| 20:16.36 | Syzgyn | There ya go |
| 20:16.37 | foxlit | :RegisterForClicks overrides any previous settings. |
| 20:16.37 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 20:16.42 | foxlit | So I think you've lost your ability to left-click there. |
| 20:17.35 | Mike-N-Go | Yes.. |
| 20:17.58 | foxlit | It does, however, take an argument list |
| 20:17.59 | Mike-N-Go | Left clicks do not register, now. |
| 20:18.08 | Syzgyn | So RegisterForClicks("LeftButton", "RightButton") |
| 20:18.24 | foxlit | I would've thought :RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonUp", "RightButtonUp") |
| 20:18.41 | Syzgyn | Either or |
| 20:19.36 | Mike-N-Go | How can I check to see if that is all the clicks the frame takes? Or is there a way to 'add' just my rightclick? |
| 20:20.31 | Syzgyn | theres no way to see registered clicks afaik |
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| 20:20.46 | Mike-N-Go | Look into the .xml? |
| 20:21.09 | Syzgyn | I meant dynamically |
| 20:21.15 | Syzgyn | you could look through the code sure |
| 20:21.21 | Syzgyn | the problem is if some other mod changes it too |
| 20:21.55 | Mike-N-Go | Leading to potential conflicts. |
| 20:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: are you making recordings of all the panels and such today? |
| 20:25.00 | JoshBorke | you could use RegisterForClicks("All") |
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| 20:25.48 | Atriace | With regards to LibStub, how do I save my variables? I've set LibStub.libs.addonName.subTable as my ## SavedVariables: in my TOC, but nothing is saving. I can, however, save LibStub directly. It's almost as if LibStub were wiping my vars before I can get to them. Can anyone give me some direction on this? |
| 20:25.55 | foxlit | Any |
| 20:26.21 | foxlit | Neither option is desirable |
| 20:26.37 | foxlit | Saving LibStub would save too much, and LibStub wouldn't be hapy at you. |
| 20:26.51 | JoshBorke | Atriace: you can't save subtables |
| 20:26.55 | Mike-N-Go | Atriace: What is the SavedVariables you want saved? Do "##SavedVariables: mySV" I think. |
| 20:26.57 | Atriace | Aye, but it was for a sake of testing that I saved LibStub directly |
| 20:26.58 | foxlit | Saving LibStub.libs.addonName.subTable just doesn't work. |
| 20:26.59 | JoshBorke | Atriace: you have to set a global as the save variable |
| 20:27.22 | Atriace | wwwha_wha-wwwwaaa----wwaaaaaa |
| 20:27.25 | JoshBorke | SavedVariables: mySV; MyAddon.subTable = mySV |
| 20:27.40 | JoshBorke | LibStub.libs.addonName is wrong |
| 20:27.42 | Atriace | you can't.... save.... subtables? |
| 20:27.57 | JoshBorke | you should not reference the internal content of libstub |
| 20:28.02 | foxlit | Indeed |
| 20:28.02 | NightHawkTheSane | the ##SavedVariables toc field refers to a global variable |
| 20:28.05 | Atriace | This is a TOC restriction on the SavedVariables? |
| 20:28.10 | NightHawkTheSane | you CAN assign whatever data you want to that global variable |
| 20:28.10 | Atriace | ah |
| 20:28.13 | Atriace | that would explain it. |
| 20:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not advisable to assign the entirety of the libstub object to it. :p |
| 20:28.56 | Atriace | As I said earlier, I wouldn't, but I did it for testing |
| 20:29.03 | Mike-N-Go | You define in the toc the vars you want saved. And as you logout, that golbal var is wrote to a file named according to your addon. |
| 20:29.07 | Atriace | (it does save some odd 250MB when doing that) |
| 20:30.09 | JoshBorke | Atriace: gee, could it be because every Ace3 addon/library is reachable from LibStub? :P |
| 20:30.24 | Atriace | Likely |
| 20:30.44 | Atriace | Though the bulk of the data (in my test) was produced by AceLocale and Bartender |
| 20:30.53 | Mike-N-Go | Atriace: Have you set up sandbox mode? Only enable the addons you are working on and essentials/debugging? |
| 20:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: no, it was causing me too much grief initially. I've got ~4GB of raw uncompressed PCM sitting around in like 50 files to sort through, all by tcp port number I ripped them from and timestamp when the stream was last restarted |
| 20:31.14 | schnoggo | i'm losing my mind creating some buttons for a faux scrolling menu....pulled out most of specific code, and I still can't see 'em. Anyone willing to point out my embarrassing blunder? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98046 |
| 20:31.25 | Atriace | Mike-N-Go: I have. As I said before (and again), I was testing |
| 20:31.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: doh. understandable, i was just hoping you'd have a recording of The Guild panel that i could download ;) |
| 20:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: something tells me that if DTV did it right, we'll see high-def recordings of every second of Blizzcon up on TPB within a few days. |
| 20:32.08 | ScytheBlade1 | (At least I hope.) |
| 20:32.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: indeed, hopefully :) |
| 20:33.05 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: but for kicks, just in case, recording |
| 20:33.17 | foxlit | schnoggo: the only thing I can think of is the Y axis possibly pointing in the other direction |
| 20:33.21 | NightHawkTheSane | lol, well, don't do it just on my account :) |
| 20:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 20:33.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got 1TB of storage, and as long as the stream doesn't break it'll wind up in one file, easily converted |
| 20:33.57 | foxlit | Which it shouldn't , so that code looks okay. |
| 20:34.10 | NightHawkTheSane | the stream seems like it's pretty stable today |
| 20:34.31 | foxlit | Try doing f:Show() f:SetWidth(200); f:SetHeight(36) or something like that |
| 20:34.33 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: wow I caught that at the perfect time |
| 20:34.39 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, nice |
| 20:34.39 | Syzgyn | Ah perfect timing |
| 20:34.46 | Syzgyn | Lol me too |
| 20:35.08 | schnoggo | foxlit: thanks fotr looking - swapping direction didn't seem to change anything. I'll just nuke the offset and see if I'm just being stupid |
| 20:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Listening to the Q&A session, but I have the guild part recording |
| 20:35.32 | foxlit | The original was fine, I think. UL is origin, and y points up, iirc. |
| 20:35.34 | nevcairiel | thats the guild anyway? |
| 20:35.52 | foxlit | or, rather, that's what the wiki tells me |
| 20:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: youtube series, created by Felicia Day, spoofing an mmo guild. pretty funny |
| 20:36.12 | foxlit | You probably inherit dimensions from UIPanelButtonTemplate, too. |
| 20:36.20 | foxlit | The only thing that might be missing is :Show() |
| 20:36.29 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: http://wowi.pastey.net/98047 <-- is what happend as a result of yesterday |
| 20:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/98048 rather |
| 20:37.01 | NightHawkTheSane | because the stream was so unstable? ew |
| 20:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And stupid question |
| 20:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid stupid question |
| 20:37.19 | Syzgyn | Wow that guy was a mouth breather |
| 20:37.22 | nevcairiel | qq questions |
| 20:37.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: indeed |
| 20:37.54 | Syzgyn | "So uh.. I play a paladin... and he's holy... and I have trouble healing... when theres a boss... doing... aoe" |
| 20:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Good question |
| 20:38.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i like the questin, even tough it's stil him qq'ing |
| 20:38.17 | NightHawkTheSane | though* |
| 20:39.16 | Mike-N-Go | I think I have my bases covered.. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/98049 |
| 20:39.33 | NightHawkTheSane | good question, good answer. |
| 20:39.39 | nevcairiel | deathwing inc |
| 20:39.43 | Syzgyn | rofl |
| 20:40.15 | Cide | hi Shirik|Ecole |
| 20:40.19 | Cide | why won't you pay my flight? |
| 20:40.34 | Syzgyn | God there are soooooo many dailies now |
| 20:40.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: that's good, though |
| 20:40.58 | Syzgyn | I know |
| 20:41.01 | Syzgyn | its pretty crazp |
| 20:41.03 | Syzgyn | crazy* |
| 20:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that question is win |
| 20:41.13 | Syzgyn | Hahah |
| 20:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | meh. |
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| 20:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... |
| 20:42.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Die |
| 20:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | DIE |
| 20:42.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 20:42.53 | Syzgyn | DEAR GOD NO |
| 20:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | STAB |
| 20:42.55 | nevcairiel | boo deserved |
| 20:42.55 | NightHawkTheSane | moron. |
| 20:43.09 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 20:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:44.14 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 20:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo exclusive |
| 20:44.23 | Syzgyn | oh oh? |
| 20:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo |
| 20:44.35 | Fisker- | y so exclusive? |
| 20:44.36 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a plus |
| 20:44.39 | Syzgyn | Lawl! |
| 20:44.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ... woah. |
| 20:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a big plus |
| 20:44.47 | NightHawkTheSane | thats.. crazy. |
| 20:44.54 | Syzgyn | Hahah |
| 20:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And there's 5GB of audio |
| 20:46.25 | Amarande | So, what do you folks think of the idea that several classes are becoming obsolete in WOTLK, or will be basically PvP-only classes? |
| 20:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 20:46.37 | Amarande | seems to be a lot of such talk going around |
| 20:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | looooool |
| 20:46.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: it's whiner's qqing |
| 20:46.41 | Fisker- | 1:41PM A: What do you have in that Jar? J. Allen: China did have issues with Pandaren, and they are an important part of their player base. Can't say it'll never happen, but it isn't on the horizon. |
| 20:46.42 | Syzgyn | hahaha |
| 20:46.45 | Fisker- | WOW OUT OF CHINA |
| 20:46.48 | Fisker- | gogo |
| 20:46.55 | Amarande | mainly in regards to the dual spec system that's being launched sometime soonish |
| 20:46.57 | Fisker- | That's just lame >:E |
| 20:47.03 | Amarande | there seem to be three main concerns with dual spec. |
| 20:47.03 | Syzgyn | gooood question |
| 20:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo |
| 20:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that |
| 20:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that too |
| 20:47.32 | Amarande | 1) that classes that cannot be specced to a tank and/or healing role will be relegated to PvP, because groups would rather take someone who can fill in that role if needed |
| 20:47.47 | nevcairiel | only sucky groups |
| 20:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 20:47.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: once more, people who think that's honestly going ot happen are iditos. |
| 20:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | armor coloring is my bet |
| 20:48.06 | Amarande | 2) that we'll see a return to the pre-BC behavior of things, where hybrid classes get stuck having to be healers most of the time when grouped |
| 20:48.23 | Syzgyn | interesting question |
| 20:48.24 | nevcairiel | neither will happen |
| 20:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that's actually a good question |
| 20:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 20:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Never happen |
| 20:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But could be entertaining |
| 20:48.35 | Syzgyn | yea |
| 20:48.39 | Amarande | 3) that WSG is going to be a total pain in the ass because as soon as a person grabs the flag, half their teammates will respec healer and the flag carrier will be nigh on indestructible |
| 20:48.53 | nevcairiel | Amarande: cant respec in arenas or BGs |
| 20:48.57 | Fisker- | 1:44PM A: BlizzCon exclusive: In the first content patch following Wrath, All Ground Mounts will swim in water <-nice |
| 20:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i think it's been stated that respec mid-arena/bg wont be alowed |
| 20:49.03 | nevcairiel | and respecing probably has a cooldown |
| 20:49.04 | Fisker- | Kinda ruins the trinket though >:E |
| 20:49.23 | Amarande | Fisker: also removes any advantage to ghostwolf, too :S |
| 20:49.41 | Amarande | one thing I've always loved about ghostwolf compared to a mount is that I don't have to lose time remounting when moving through water |
| 20:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: http://screlay-dtc0l-3.shoutcast.com:8024/listen.pls go |
| 20:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: nah, ghost wolf can be used in combat :p |
| 20:49.53 | Fisker- | never ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:49.56 | Amarande | well, I guess there's still the fact that it can be used in combat, and can be cast instantly |
| 20:50.02 | nevcairiel | except that mounts are way faster :P |
| 20:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | well, instant with talent.. |
| 20:50.09 | nevcairiel | travel form > ghost wolf, anyway |
| 20:50.19 | Fisker- | 1:48PM Q: Wondering about Personalization: Could we mess with our moves, like change how they look? |
| 20:50.21 | Fisker- | GENTLEMEN |
| 20:50.26 | Fisker- | One does not crabwalk into mordor |
| 20:50.37 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: we listen to the stream, stop wasting our time =P |
| 20:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: oh bah, I just hit the wrong button and nuked what I've recorded so far :( |
| 20:50.47 | Syzgyn | QQ MORE ABOUT LEGENDARIES |
| 20:50.51 | schnoggo | foxlit: thanks so much - was coming in with bad dimensions |
| 20:50.53 | Amarande | at least ghost wolf is good enough that if you want a non-elephant mount, you can stand to not have a real mount till you can actually hit exalted with something else |
| 20:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: ... doh |
| 20:50.54 | Fisker- | GENTLEMEN nevcairiel |
| 20:51.04 | Amarande | since it seems to take till the late 30s or so to exalt with Darnassus |
| 20:51.17 | Amarande | *grumbles* stupid human domination of 30-40 alliance questing *grumbles* |
| 20:51.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I like ghost wolf because it shares a model with the spirit wolf from Don Carlos' Famous Hat |
| 20:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | "Yeah, go ahead" |
| 20:52.22 | Amarande | Between doing Teldrassil, Darkshore, Ashenvale, and Duskwood (this last because I had to fill in a leveling gap, as I got to a point where I needed another couple levels to finish my Ashenvale quests), you get within a few thousand of exalted with Darnassus. |
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| 20:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ......... |
| 20:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Old question |
| 20:52.57 | Amarande | Then you find you have to settle for spillover rep through the entire 30s because except for that one Missing Diplomat line that in the end gives 500 to all alliance, basically EVERY quest in 30-40 is Stormwind |
| 20:53.02 | nevcairiel | its silly how much rep you get these days |
| 20:53.07 | NightHawkTheSane | very old question |
| 20:53.14 | Stanzilla | I like swimming mounts |
| 20:53.18 | nevcairiel | i'm barely revered with all factions because i leveld on release |
| 20:53.20 | Fisker- | loot looks? :3 |
| 20:53.21 | Amarande | You don't get Darnassus-faction quest givers again till Feralas apparently |
| 20:53.37 | Syzgyn | Yep :P |
| 20:54.05 | Amarande | Speaking of which, I'm a bit fuzzy. |
| 20:54.14 | Amarande | Is it 40 like horde that Alliance get to start questing Feralas or do we wait till 45? |
| 20:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | tl;dr "el 2 play arc mage" |
| 20:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | HA |
| 20:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | He called it, win |
| 20:55.42 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 20:55.45 | Fisker- | 222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 |
| 20:55.46 | Amarande | Scythe, I think you've been drinking too much brewfest brew |
| 20:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Why? |
| 20:55.56 | Amarande | <ScytheBlade1> tl;dr "el 2 play arc mage" |
| 20:55.57 | Syzgyn | Amarande: no such thing! |
| 20:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Listen to the stream! |
| 20:56.22 | Fisker- | MAKE KINGS BASELINE |
| 20:56.25 | Fisker- | also |
| 20:56.27 | Fisker- | fix blessings |
| 20:56.40 | nevcairiel | Shirik|zZz do us a favor and kick Fisker- :P |
| 20:56.58 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 20:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... |
| 20:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Blessings are a huge offensive threat |
| 20:57.06 | nevcairiel | class QQ again |
| 20:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 20:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Judgements |
| 20:57.40 | Fisker- | relevant QQ is reeeeeeleeeeeeeevaaaaaant |
| 20:57.42 | Amarande | Actually, it's mostly warlocks and rogues that I worry about the future of |
| 20:57.55 | Fisker- | 1:57PM A: Chilton says they will look at Holy Pallies. |
| 20:57.56 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 20:57.59 | NightHawkTheSane | rogues are looking pretty good, honestly |
| 20:58.04 | Amarande | Night: maybe for PvP |
| 20:58.08 | Fisker- | That's the only positive thing since the beta started! |
| 20:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i was referring for pve |
| 20:58.18 | Amarande | in PvE, I don't see why you wouldn't take an enhancement shaman instead |
| 20:58.20 | NightHawkTheSane | pvp can go screw itself :p |
| 20:58.31 | Amarande | an enhancement shaman can have a resto second spec if you need another healer for something |
| 20:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: because you like the rogue player? |
| 20:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ROFL |
| 20:58.39 | Amarande | e.g., imagine sunwell like raids |
| 20:58.39 | ScytheBlade1 | HAHA |
| 20:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's passive now, isn't it? |
| 20:58.55 | Amarande | where you might want to have a lot of healers, but under normal circumstances you can't because you need enough dps to pass Brutallus |
| 20:58.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i really think you're overthinking this |
| 20:59.04 | nevcairiel | Amarande: guilds that require that suck anyway, i wouldnt want our enhance shamans healing, they would suck :P |
| 20:59.22 | Amarande | With dual spec, you just have that shaman spec resto, carry an enhancement set and respec enhance for Brut, then spec back after |
| 20:59.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: yes it is |
| 20:59.35 | ScytheBlade1 | What a retarded question |
| 20:59.39 | nevcairiel | you never have gear for both at the same level, not during progress, maybe if its on farm already |
| 20:59.52 | NightHawkTheSane | if it's on farm, though, you probably dont need the extra healers :p |
| 20:59.57 | Amarande | nev: yeah, sunwell might be the only raid with that kind of situation |
| 21:00.01 | nevcairiel | I would rather get a dedicated healer more then having some idiot respec |
| 21:00.03 | Amarande | well, sunwell or a similarly late-introduced raid during wotlk |
| 21:00.16 | Syzgyn | not a bad question |
| 21:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Not at all |
| 21:00.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: they've also already said they don't plan sunwell-difficulty raids being added, even late in wotlk |
| 21:00.37 | Amarande | even icecrown 25? |
| 21:00.44 | Amarande | arthas is gonna be kinda anticlimactic then |
| 21:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: more to the point, they said that they hope they don't see those ever again |
| 21:00.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine icecrown 25 would be more in line with BT |
| 21:01.10 | Amarande | good. brutallus is a perfect example of bad boss design :) |
| 21:01.14 | nevcairiel | they want arthas to be "hard", but not sunwell hard, that only 1% see him |
| 21:01.33 | NightHawkTheSane | I think blizzard would like to see >50% of the player base see end-game raid encounters. |
| 21:01.42 | Amarande | But I've discussed my views a few hundred times on soft vs. hard enrages |
| 21:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | whether thats reasonable or not is another question, but i think that's what they want to get at |
| 21:01.47 | nevcairiel | that many dont even want to see it, NightHawkTheSane :D |
| 21:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well, assume the subset that would like to :p |
| 21:02.10 | nevcairiel | also, do you count 10man as "seeing"? |
| 21:02.15 | nevcairiel | then its more possible, yeah |
| 21:02.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: absolutely |
| 21:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | that's the entire point of the 10-mans, i think |
| 21:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:02.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic way to phrase that |
| 21:02.33 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 21:02.34 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 21:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Sigh |
| 21:03.13 | nevcairiel | more pally qq |
| 21:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Less QQ about holy pallies |
| 21:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | less qq about <insert class here> >< |
| 21:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You have a BUBBLE OF EPIC WIN |
| 21:03.43 | Syzgyn | Your tears sustain me |
| 21:03.51 | Fisker- | moar |
| 21:03.54 | nevcairiel | what, he wants holy pallys to be melees? |
| 21:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently |
| 21:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:04.01 | nevcairiel | did i understand that right? =P |
| 21:04.01 | Amarande | How about the future of warlocks? |
| 21:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | gg answer |
| 21:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "maybe next on the list" |
| 21:04.11 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:04.12 | Amarande | They're one of the four that can only fill a dps role and nothing else |
| 21:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahaha |
| 21:04.13 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 21:04.15 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 21:04.15 | Syzgyn | Hhaaha |
| 21:04.19 | Amarande | and worse, they apparently are getting off the PVP bus at 80 |
| 21:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: really, stop qqing about that, you're overreacting, and moronically |
| 21:04.47 | nevcairiel | Amarande: quit the game, no worries anymore then :) |
| 21:04.51 | Amarande | Night: what's the saving grace for locks in pvp then? :) |
| 21:04.58 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 21:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: who cares? fuck pvp! :P |
| 21:05.01 | Amarande | they're nerfing soul link (when SL/SL was the only really decent PVP spec for locks) |
| 21:05.04 | Fisker- | funny how they go from "You're fine" to "We'll seriously look at healing soon" |
| 21:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | they'll be fine in pve, though |
| 21:05.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Mages with stealth would be win imo |
| 21:05.08 | Amarande | and they're making even MORE armor penetration gear |
| 21:05.22 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: they said that in general for heaing, not holy paladin healing |
| 21:05.24 | nevcairiel | do listen! |
| 21:05.27 | Fisker- | NO |
| 21:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: they say "well look at it" to get the qq'ers off their back for a little while |
| 21:05.31 | Fisker- | Tournaments >:3 |
| 21:05.35 | Fisker- | of course NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | SIGH |
| 21:05.40 | |pez| | You sort of know that you've been eating at the same resturant too often, when the person taking the order knows what you |
| 21:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | LESS PALLIE QUESTIONS |
| 21:05.43 | |pez| | re getting. |
| 21:05.51 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: GIEF MEH COFFEE NAO!! |
| 21:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: nou |
| 21:06.01 | bleeter | WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHhhh |
| 21:06.08 | Amarande | On the good side, at least SL/SL specs are more versatile now, since you have 20 more points you can take out of Demo. |
| 21:06.09 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: even better when they know what you're going to order before you do :) |
| 21:07.15 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: oh, wait, i missed your second part there, nevermind me. :D |
| 21:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, good answer. |
| 21:07.56 | nevcairiel | yeah because you damn priests are the only class that has to spec in two trees |
| 21:07.59 | nevcairiel | <.< |
| 21:08.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah.. |
| 21:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | *cough* |
| 21:08.16 | nevcairiel | only class that could spec one tree in BC was druids |
| 21:08.24 | nevcairiel | resto druids, that is |
| 21:08.31 | nevcairiel | but in LK not anymore |
| 21:08.51 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 21:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahaha |
| 21:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | THANK YOU |
| 21:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | THANK YOU |
| 21:08.57 | Syzgyn | LOL |
| 21:09.09 | ScytheBlade1 | BAD HEALERS AER BAD |
| 21:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, i like my ch3 spam ;) |
| 21:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Win question |
| 21:09.48 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, silly question |
| 21:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really |
| 21:09.56 | Amarande | I've seen some 0/0/61 prot warriors |
| 21:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a very very very common question now |
| 21:10.04 | nevcairiel | Amarande. then they suck |
| 21:10.22 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 21:10.28 | NightHawkTheSane | its common, but 9/10 times its more or less "wah wah, someone else can do as good as me" qqing. |
| 21:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh yay |
| 21:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | A solid answer |
| 21:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank you for finally saying that |
| 21:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I can quote that on the forums on about every other thread |
| 21:11.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: they've been saying that for all of beta, though |
| 21:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: and now we have it in AUDIO! |
| 21:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | that's the line they've been using everywhere |
| 21:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:11.24 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 21:11.27 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 21:11.30 | NightHawkTheSane | -excellent- answer |
| 21:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "Welcome to the future!" |
| 21:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | looooooool |
| 21:11.46 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 21:11.59 | nevcairiel | the bronzebeard event is awesome |
| 21:12.02 | nevcairiel | but its realllly long |
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| 21:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh |
| 21:12.40 | ScytheBlade1 | NO |
| 21:12.53 | Syzgyn | good |
| 21:13.17 | ScytheBlade1 | hey that's a really good way of putting it |
| 21:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 21:13.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:13.22 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 21:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait |
| 21:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | They have raid utility? |
| 21:13.51 | NightHawkTheSane | tricks of the trade |
| 21:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | fan of knives |
| 21:14.03 | NightHawkTheSane | even sap is better than it used to be |
| 21:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I know Fan of Knives and Sap |
| 21:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | What does Tricks of the Trade do? |
| 21:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it's like misdirect |
| 21:14.38 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 21:14.43 | nevcairiel | directs threat to a tank |
| 21:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I like |
| 21:15.00 | ScytheBlade1 | NO |
| 21:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | NO YOU DO NOT |
| 21:15.04 | NightHawkTheSane | what's neat is watching a rogue use tricks & fan of knives to aoe pull a group directly to the tank. |
| 21:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey |
| 21:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | yay |
| 21:16.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yay! quest ui revamp! |
| 21:16.12 | nevcairiel | oh giev more reading space |
| 21:16.21 | NightHawkTheSane | make doublewide baseline, imo |
| 21:16.26 | Amarande | Booty Bay: for people who think Maraudon isn't confusing enough |
| 21:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol she's a bit desperate |
| 21:17.05 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 21:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | that's such a "... stop talking to me, you crazy bitch" answer. ;) |
| 21:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 21:17.35 | foxlit | Voice sounded like a former guildmate |
| 21:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "No." |
| 21:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Come on! |
| 21:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "No." |
| 21:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | SAY IT1 |
| 21:18.34 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 21:18.35 | ScytheBlade1 | *! |
| 21:18.38 | Syzgyn | sadly :( |
| 21:19.47 | NightHawkTheSane | a good answer for a bad question |
| 21:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 21:19.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Saw that coming |
| 21:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 21:19.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:20.01 | nevcairiel | southrend |
| 21:20.03 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 21:20.03 | Syzgyn | hahaha |
| 21:20.10 | NightHawkTheSane | maelstrom, imo |
| 21:20.19 | Syzgyn | oooOOoo |
| 21:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 21:20.27 | nevcairiel | o.o |
| 21:20.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha |
| 21:20.29 | ScytheBlade1 | PS: They won't tell you |
| 21:20.37 | nevcairiel | wtf did he say now =P |
| 21:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 21:20.55 | Syzgyn | the what? |
| 21:20.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Bard |
| 21:20.59 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 21:21.16 | Syzgyn | I love how before the xpac is even released, people want info on the NEXT one |
| 21:21.59 | nevcairiel | wtb emerald dream zone in next expansion, though, or added in LK patch =) |
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| 21:22.52 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 21:22.55 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 21:23.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | blizzard guys win. |
| 21:23.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree |
| 21:23.10 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 21:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 21:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 21:24.44 | NightHawkTheSane | "how can you tell" |
| 21:24.46 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 21:24.50 | ScytheBlade1 | "How detailed IS that art?" |
| 21:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "Have you seen the bear dance?" |
| 21:24.56 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 21:25.18 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 21:25.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 21:25.32 | Syzgyn | I dunno what she wants them to do |
| 21:25.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Give a distinct model based on gender |
| 21:25.45 | foxlit | Throw in a different model |
| 21:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a bit silly, though |
| 21:25.53 | foxlit | Perhaps some more animations |
| 21:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Still the question |
| 21:25.57 | Syzgyn | because female bears look SO DIFFERENT AMIRITE |
| 21:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 21:26.08 | foxlit | kid! |
| 21:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | How old is he? |
| 21:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Four? |
| 21:26.14 | Syzgyn | rofl |
| 21:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, 6 |
| 21:26.19 | foxlit | +5 Adorable |
| 21:26.24 | nevcairiel | teen rated game, perfectly fit =P |
| 21:26.25 | Syzgyn | 14 |
| 21:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | All I'm getting is a long healing QQ? |
| 21:26.31 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: maybe, but -3 qqqqqq |
| 21:26.34 | Syzgyn | yea |
| 21:26.36 | nevcairiel | i didnt really listen |
| 21:26.49 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:26.54 | Syzgyn | just as better? |
| 21:27.04 | Amarande | how many times will I attempt to group invite tauren and blood elves on my draenei before I remember that isn't possible ... |
| 21:27.04 | NightHawkTheSane | he's like 6, give him a break :) |
| 21:27.35 | leethal | will life tap trigger PoM? |
| 21:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb video of that |
| 21:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Long vauge answer to a long vauge question |
| 21:28.05 | nevcairiel | leethal: its not exactly dmg, so dont think so |
| 21:28.06 | NightHawkTheSane | tl;dr: holy priests are fine, qq less. |
| 21:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 21:28.28 | leethal | nevcairiel: mm, that's what I thought |
| 21:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't that already covered by the rules for creating a dk? |
| 21:29.07 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 21:29.12 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 21:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | poor art guy |
| 21:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey I like that question |
| 21:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:29.32 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:29.36 | NightHawkTheSane | for a while, dk's saw their sigil on t hem! |
| 21:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | checkered cube of dooom! |
| 21:30.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 5.4GB of PCM audio |
| 21:30.34 | nevcairiel | class panel next, right? |
| 21:30.42 | NightHawkTheSane | at 3pm pdt, yes |
| 21:40.06 | Amarande | ugh, different model druid forms for different genders, was someone talking about a few minutes ago here? |
| 21:40.16 | Amarande | right, like we need something to make trade chat even worse than it is :| |
| 21:41.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yeah, some dumb chick asked a question about it. |
| 21:45.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but not the guild? >< |
| 21:45.16 | ScytheBlade1 | No :( |
| 21:45.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~fail Shiibot |
| 21:45.21 | purl | Shiibot, you Fail! |
| 21:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 21:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I was closing spare consoles |
| 21:45.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ~fail NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:45.25 | purl | NightHawkTheSane: FAIL! |
| 21:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And closed that tab on acciden |
| 21:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *accident |
| 21:45.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And didn't realize that until... much too late |
| 21:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | wcradio will hopefully have it later on |
| 21:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | In theory it'll be up there |
| 21:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 163M Oct 11 15:30 qa.flac |
| 21:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, dunno if I want to upload that :/ |
| 21:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
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| 21:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Raw uncompressed: 568MB - FLAC: 163MB - MP3: 49MB |
| 21:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | what quality mp3 |
| 21:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 21:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | V0 |
| 21:52.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: nice :) |
| 21:52.59 | ambethia | Is it possible to modify/replace the templates that blizzard widgets inherit from? For example, replace ActionButtonTemplate with MySimiliarButNotActionButtonTemplate ? |
| 21:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 21:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | First the names are already defined, and if you have multiple templates with the same name, it'll whine at you |
| 21:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, if you do that, you'll taint the entire UI pretty quickly |
| 21:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Rendering it useless |
| 21:54.24 | ambethia | K, so I want make my own templates off of SecureActionButtonTemplate and build my own bars from there? |
| 21:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 21:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | But! |
| 21:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The Secure Templates are dying come... Tuesday |
| 21:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll want to look into the new system, Secure Headers |
| 21:55.21 | ambethia | ah, hmmm, maybe ill wait to implement that part till next week then |
| 21:55.27 | ambethia | thanks |
| 21:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ambethia: http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide%20-%20pre1.pdf |
| 21:55.33 | NightHawkTheSane | well you can do it on the ptr |
| 21:55.35 | nevcairiel | SecureActionButtonTemplate will stick around for 3.0 |
| 21:55.43 | nevcairiel | only the headers change |
| 21:56.17 | ambethia | Oh, DUR... I SHOULD be working with this on beta... since I won't be done with it before then |
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| 21:58.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ambethia: the PDF I linked you is some pretty nice documentation on the new system, written by one of the people who created said system. Might be helpful to you. |
| 21:58.43 | ambethia | I'm looking over it now, it looks really good. Thanks |
| 21:58.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank Iriel :) |
| 21:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, it is pretty nice |
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| 22:00.38 | Dewin | Has anybody ever tried to figure out the schedule for the various boats and zeppelins in the game? |
| 22:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | every 5 minutes |
| 22:00.52 | Syzgyn | Not that I know of |
| 22:01.00 | Dewin | ScytheBlade1: I'm talking specific times |
| 22:01.12 | Syzgyn | I'm pretty sure its fairly dependant on lag |
| 22:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: there is/was a mod that did that actually |
| 22:01.20 | Syzgyn | and you'd never be able to get an exact reading |
| 22:01.29 | sioraiocht | Dewin: I'm sure it's dependent on server restart |
| 22:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds like an incredible waste of time to put work into when they come so often and are based around server start time |
| 22:01.57 | Dewin | I was assuming they might be based on some fixed server time, not neccessarily server start time |
| 22:02.00 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure boats/zepps times are synced to come/go at the sme time across all servers, not sure how, but i remember observing this at one point |
| 22:02.19 | sioraiocht | NightHawkTheSane: that seems like excessive effort |
| 22:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Class panel starting soon |
| 22:02.57 | Dewin | Not neccessarily. It could be something like boatphase = (unix timestamp + phase) mod somevalue |
| 22:03.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 22:03.11 | Syzgyn | Why would you want something to do that though |
| 22:03.20 | Dewin | Because then it's consistent, and you can schedule. :) |
| 22:03.23 | Syzgyn | is it really gonna affect when you leave to go to the boat? |
| 22:03.44 | Dewin | Szygyn: There are some times where it's nice to know how long until a boat arrives/leaves so you can decide whether to do something else |
| 22:03.54 | Syzgyn | for 5 minutes? |
| 22:03.54 | Dewin | In the case of Darnassus<->Darkshore, the boat is faster if timed correctly. |
| 22:04.14 | Syzgyn | that's the one vaild example I can think of |
| 22:04.23 | Syzgyn | everything else, you're using the boat or getting ported |
| 22:05.38 | Fisker- | argh |
| 22:05.47 | Fisker- | an hour until the SC2 matches :( |
| 22:06.01 | |pez| | there are SC2 *matches* |
| 22:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | is it just me or is the audio for the class panel really bad? |
| 22:06.44 | Syzgyn | what am I listening to? |
| 22:06.49 | Syzgyn | with some guy talking about cities |
| 22:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The D3 stream |
| 22:06.59 | Syzgyn | ah |
| 22:07.00 | NightHawkTheSane | d3 lore & art panel |
| 22:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://media2.wcradio.com:8000/listen.pls |
| 22:07.06 | NightHawkTheSane | room 204 is wow class panel |
| 22:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ wow class panel |
| 22:08.12 | Syzgyn | feed isnt loading D: |
| 22:08.14 | nevcairiel | man that stream is slow |
| 22:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got it recording |
| 22:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Barely |
| 22:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's recording |
| 22:08.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it sounds like a rehash of yesterdays |
| 22:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The very intro of the panel said "if you're looking for some new info here, you won't find it" |
| 22:09.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i must have missed that |
| 22:09.22 | Syzgyn | Hah fair enough |
| 22:09.29 | nevcairiel | hm meh |
| 22:09.34 | nevcairiel | i could rather go sleep then |
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| 22:09.41 | nevcairiel | Q&A will be QQing anyway |
| 22:09.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the audio im getting is really bad, and the stream keeps breaking up |
| 22:10.56 | Fisker- | qq moar nevcairiel |
| 22:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | This stream does indeed suck |
| 22:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I'm recording it |
| 22:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Off to the D3 panel |
| 22:11.37 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly |
| 22:13.00 | NightHawkTheSane | when is cain going to die? :P |
| 22:13.03 | nevcairiel | came right on story, nice |
| 22:13.12 | nevcairiel | cain has to be like 200 now |
| 22:13.22 | Corrodias | never. ever. |
| 22:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | "heh, people who were alive in d2 are dead now. except deckard cain." |
| 22:14.32 | Corrodias | well, it was only 20 years, wasn't it? :) |
| 22:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "buy and play our game" |
| 22:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh art philosophy |
| 22:14.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that was nice :) |
| 22:15.30 | |pez| | Cain will never die! |
| 22:15.39 | |pez| | "Stay a while and listen" |
| 22:15.57 | NightHawkTheSane | "don't be afraid of color" hehe |
| 22:16.01 | nevcairiel | artwork on sound stream :( |
| 22:16.02 | Corrodias | "listen to your cells slowly degenerate, as i live on forever" |
| 22:16.17 | |pez| | that sentance will haunt us all until *we* die, and then haunt the ones who comes after us. :P |
| 22:16.36 | foxlit | http://cr.yp.to/2004-494/libpng/libpng-1.2.5/contrib/gregbook/wpng.c << so compiled, grr :( |
| 22:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Why is that on cr.yp.to? |
| 22:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wait |
| 22:17.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong website, never mind |
| 22:18.17 | foxlit | Google result, I just wanted the libpng file :) |
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| 22:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "little controversial" |
| 22:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/08/06/ |
| 22:21.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ related |
| 22:22.06 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 22:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "It's just plain fun to break things" I agree |
| 22:23.53 | Fisker- | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/10/diabloIIIlogotee.jpg |
| 22:25.05 | Arrowmaster | i still dont understand all the 'diablo 3 isnt dark enough' whining |
| 22:25.12 | Corrodias | but you must admit |
| 22:25.17 | Corrodias | the word "necromartyr" is awesome. |
| 22:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It is indeed |
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| 22:26.06 | zenzelezz | "Bacon of Light fills that role and there are a few talents that help with faster FoL." -- I'm guessing WorldOfRaids just typoed there... but in a way it would be interesting if they didn't |
| 22:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | grrr |
| 22:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | they didn't |
| 22:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Bacon was intentional |
| 22:26.27 | nevcairiel | Bacon is a running joke |
| 22:26.32 | nevcairiel | you are just behind zenzelezz |
| 22:26.50 | zenzelezz | I'm not behind, I'm just ignorant of anything not warrior |
| 22:26.53 | nevcairiel | GC typoed once and wrote Bacon of Light |
| 22:27.04 | nevcairiel | now its Bacon =P |
| 22:27.08 | Fisker- | nahuh i'm even less behind than you |
| 22:27.11 | haste | GC? |
| 22:27.12 | Fisker- | Because i know the bacon was intentional! |
| 22:27.15 | Fisker- | your mom haste |
| 22:27.22 | Fisker- | didn't see that one coming did ya? |
| 22:27.24 | haste | no yours |
| 22:27.27 | nevcairiel | haste: Ghostcrawler, class designer |
| 22:27.35 | haste | hokai |
| 22:28.00 | zenzelezz | haste: you know, that hot chick on the forum |
| 22:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ new character class |
| 22:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | s/class/class idea/ |
| 22:29.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: d3? whats up there? i had to kill the stream, as my net was going wonky |
| 22:29.33 | JoshBorke | anyone know what SetOptOutOfLoot does? |
| 22:29.35 | haste | zenzelezz: nope, I don't do wow forums :p |
| 22:29.36 | nevcairiel | lore Q&A |
| 22:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Some guy had an idea that he asked about |
| 22:29.52 | NightHawkTheSane | JoshBorke: lets you opt out of rolling on loot |
| 22:30.12 | JoshBorke | NightHawkTheSane: ah, so like when a green drops in group loot you pass on it? |
| 22:30.26 | NightHawkTheSane | JoshBorke: basically yeah, its an auto-pass loot rolls |
| 22:30.31 | JoshBorke | awesome, thanks |
| 22:30.44 | Corrodias | i would assume that automatically assigned things below the rolling threshold arej ust never assigned to that person |
| 22:31.07 | NightHawkTheSane | argh, wtf |
| 22:31.15 | Corrodias | i would assume it because i know NOTHING |
| 22:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously, 5k latency.. wtf.. |
| 22:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ "write that one down" hahaha |
| 22:35.19 | nevcairiel | wonder if they will release the d3 demo after the con |
| 22:35.31 | nevcairiel | probably not, but wtb |
| 22:35.42 | JoshBorke | of course not :P |
| 22:36.09 | zenzelezz | the D3 demo will cost you 1500 achievement points |
| 22:36.17 | nevcairiel | ok deal |
| 22:36.18 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:36.51 | mikma | i wanna know the system requirements for D3 |
| 22:36.55 | foxlit | http://www.steelseries.com/teaser_heaven/add_to_basket/wow << tempting? |
| 22:37.17 | nevcairiel | that mouse with over 9000 buttons? |
| 22:37.53 | foxlit | 15, presumably |
| 22:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Too bad that WoW only recognizes 5! |
| 22:38.16 | cbreak | drivers... |
| 22:38.16 | nevcairiel | you have to macro them |
| 22:38.16 | foxlit | And an odd limit of 160 chars per macro |
| 22:38.28 | cbreak | 255? |
| 22:38.36 | foxlit | "- Macros up to 160 characters" |
| 22:38.38 | nevcairiel | cbreak: even drivers cant add new keys/buttons to wow, they can only map macros on them, sadly |
| 22:38.39 | selckin | remember 8 debuffs per mob! |
| 22:38.52 | cbreak | drivers can make new key combos |
| 22:39.05 | nevcairiel | which is a macro for me too =P |
| 22:39.08 | cbreak | like shift-alt-ctrl-f1 or something similarly finger crippling |
| 22:39.28 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, i just assign some mouse buttons to numpad 1-9, whatever i need |
| 22:39.42 | NightHawkTheSane | then bind those in game |
| 22:39.42 | cbreak | I use numpad directly for casting. |
| 22:39.45 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb mouse1 through mouse99 support instead of random hacks |
| 22:39.58 | nevcairiel | wtb support for my G15 buttons |
| 22:40.05 | foxlit | "6 million illumination choices with 3 intensity and pulsation levels " wonder what they mean |
| 22:40.50 | Corrodias | you must configure 6 million parameters before you can play D3 |
| 22:41.16 | Corrodias | this is how complex the user customization experience is. |
| 22:41.18 | foxlit | 16 |
| 22:41.24 | foxlit | damn you, copy/paste clipping |
| 22:41.48 | Syzgyn | Hm, I just thought of a mod idea |
| 22:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: sadly, you can't mod the stupid out of people |
| 22:42.19 | Syzgyn | Damn, so much for that one |
| 22:42.50 | Syzgyn | You pick a handful of achievements, then it goes through your party/raid and gets everyone's status of them |
| 22:43.02 | Syzgyn | I'm trying to think how it'd be at all useful though |
| 22:43.18 | foxlit | The thing about achievements is... why would anyone at all care about them :) |
| 22:43.32 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: aside from the achievment of doing them? pun intended. |
| 22:43.35 | Syzgyn | They're a good indication of what you've done, progression wise |
| 22:43.48 | foxlit | Characters change, achievements are not preserved. |
| 22:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 22:43.55 | Syzgyn | True |
| 22:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | WIRT'S LEG |
| 22:44.09 | foxlit | Are we up to Fourth or Fifth leg by now? |
| 22:44.18 | Syzgyn | but if I wanted to make sure that people had done all the heroics they said they have in a pug or something |
| 22:44.24 | JoshBorke | i think he just had a bunch of wooden legs is all |
| 22:44.49 | mikma | what about wirts leg? |
| 22:44.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: actually a "who in my group has done this instance, and to what extent" might be nice |
| 22:45.09 | Syzgyn | Thats what I'm thinking |
| 22:45.33 | Syzgyn | Definitely a limited usefulness |
| 22:45.40 | Syzgyn | but maybe worth doing |
| 22:46.10 | Syzgyn | Maybe just make it a /command that take a achievement link and does its thing |
| 22:47.38 | zenzelezz | foxlit: the way I see it, achievements are just for your own personal enjoyment. If you like them (like me), great; if you don't, no need to care about them =) |
| 22:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | "We are not disclosing the amount of bovine material in our game." |
| 22:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 22:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "I just want to know what's keeping Deckard Cain alive." |
| 22:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | "He ate his vegetables as a young man." |
| 22:48.02 | Syzgyn | rofl |
| 22:48.11 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 22:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "The line of horadram was very wizard centric, very magic centric, so maybe something was done to his line or lineage." |
| 22:48.25 | foxlit | He's secretly the Cow King in disguise |
| 22:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled right |
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| 23:02.42 | haste | oh shi- |
| 23:02.45 | haste | balls are touching |
| 23:03.05 | Fisker- | they are? |
| 23:03.18 | NightHawkTheSane | that'd be a surprise, because Fisker- doesn't have any |
| 23:03.34 | Fisker- | moar than you |
| 23:05.04 | mikma | how ballsy |
| 23:05.33 | Fisker- | i like your balls mikma |
| 23:05.39 | Fisker- | they're so much better than haste's |
| 23:06.50 | NightHawkTheSane | wee, exalted consortium. |
| 23:09.50 | mikma | Fisker-: ofc you do, becaused hastes balls afrent touching. mine are. |
| 23:10.11 | mikma | i think haste is missing other or its inside |
| 23:10.32 | Mike-N-Go | What is it called, hex? I am trying to color some text going to the local chat frame. |
| 23:11.02 | Mike-N-Go | I forget what it is called.. so I am yet to find it on wowwiki. |
| 23:11.20 | zenzelezz | what is what called? |
| 23:11.59 | Mike-N-Go | IE |cff990000 is some read color. |
| 23:12.04 | mikma | escape character |
| 23:12.08 | mikma | wowwiki that |
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| 23:12.40 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks. |
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| 23:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen Greyhoof |
| 23:22.16 | purl | i haven't seen 'greyhoof', ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: poke |
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| 23:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10972021724&sid=1 - I win at leaving out the reason everyone will hate the curse client |
| 23:35.52 | Corrodias | ...at the end of the day, huh |
| 23:36.05 | Corrodias | what does the rest of your day consist of? |
| 23:36.08 | cbreak | what's wrong with firefox, safari, opera? |
| 23:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if it involves money or eleven billion clicks :) |
| 23:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (Okay, eleven billion was an exagguration, but eh) |
| 23:37.04 | NightHawkTheSane | this is so mean, but so hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIdqnPYCY4 |
| 23:38.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: bleh, im not looking forward to manually updating my ace addons in the next few days |
| 23:38.16 | cbreak | poor kid |
| 23:38.25 | cbreak | she'll be cast for the villain only from now on :( |
| 23:38.34 | NightHawkTheSane | but she's SOOO adorable! |
| 23:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: that's why I'm checking off my favorites on WoWI and grabbing their updater |
| 23:39.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: yeah, i'm considering doing that. although there are.. *cougH* certain addons that don't update on release sites very often.. |
| 23:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: indeed, which is why I pinged ckknight earlier. I apparently have a curse account that I didn't know about that I registered not too long ago, with both a password and e-mail address that I don't remember. Which is... unusual. |
| 23:40.10 | cbreak | you sure it was you? :) |
| 23:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: hehe |
| 23:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: I'd be money I'm the only person on the interwebs right now using this alias |
| 23:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: I'll come to your server and farm you 10g if you can find someone else who is |
| 23:41.10 | cbreak | I can make someone who is... :) |
| 23:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Totally doesn't count :) |
| 23:41.50 | NightHawkTheSane | only 10g? |
| 23:41.52 | nevcairiel | yeah you indeed have an account, you uploaded illegal addon finder =P |
| 23:42.04 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: rofl |
| 23:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: it takes a while for a level 1 to acquire 10 gold :P |
| 23:42.32 | nevcairiel | if thats you, anyway |
| 23:42.39 | nevcairiel | registered on soem comcast email |
| 23:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait what? |
| 23:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | o_o |
| 23:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought you were joking |
| 23:43.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm on comcast but I lack a comcast e-mail.. |
| 23:44.02 | nevcairiel | apparently someone deleted Illegal Addon Finder because they didnt get the joke |
| 23:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Was not me |
| 23:44.39 | nevcairiel | i dunno, guess you'll have to talk to someone that actually has more access then viewing profiles of users :P |
| 23:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. And /who *Curse* brings up... ckknight :P |
| 23:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Who is afk |
| 23:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: Routes --> WoWI! Go! |
| 23:45.36 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, at this point, tuesday just needs to get here already. |
| 23:45.39 | nevcairiel | curse has a company picnic on blizzcon or something, couldnt reach anyone for 2-3 days, except ckk occasionally |
| 23:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, so many ace addons that aren't up on WoWI. Which means that I need my curse account to work again. |
| 23:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "again" rather |
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| 23:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, Sbo is already taken... |
| 23:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ............... |
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| 23:50.07 | cbreak | couldn't you just svn co the addons from ace's subversion server |
| 23:50.15 | cbreak | and then make a shell script to svn update them all? |
| 23:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is what I'll likely end up doing |
| 23:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Less the shell script |
| 23:50.24 | cbreak | I bet the server admins would love you for it :) |
| 23:50.40 | cbreak | (put it into a cron tab :) |
| 23:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah no :) |
| 23:53.15 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: im pretty sure they will personally curse every one of us that does that |
| 23:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | also, pfft shell script.. `svn up *` :P |
| 23:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I'm not too sure about that. Keep in mind the distinction between Curse.com and CurseForge |
| 23:53.39 | cbreak | nice pun :) |
| 23:53.48 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i try :D |
| 23:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I'm relatively sure the idea is that as long as it remains unabused it'll be fine |
| 23:54.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: yeah, but there's a LOT of ace users, and a lot of them have been turned on to svn.. so.. |
| 23:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not all of them have any clue it exists on curse. Time will tell. |
| 23:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis on that last bt |
| 23:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | *bit |
| 23:54.45 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe. its not hard to figure out though. *shrug* |
| 23:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Honestly, I don't really like updating from svn, so I hope they get the updater to a point where I don't feel the need |
| 23:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but if all that people ever see is the curse.com downloads.. |
| 23:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll see |
| 23:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Me either, and I agree |
| 23:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | (That and linux support..) |
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| 23:56.28 | batrick | !lua lpeg |
| 23:56.29 | batbot | batrick: > table: 0x810d738 |
| 23:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | !lua for k,v in pairs(lpeg) do print(k.."+"..v) end |
| 23:57.02 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: @ [string "for k,v in pairs(lpeg) do print(k.."+"..v) ..."]:1: attempt to concatenate local 'v' (a function value) |
| 23:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | !lua for k,v in pairs(lpeg) do print(k.."+"..tostring(v)) end |
| 23:57.11 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: C+function: 0xb7c342a0print+function: 0xb7c15418match+function: 0xb7c266c8Ca+function: 0xb7c261b8Cc+function: 0xb7c261e8Cb+function: 0xb7c02198Cmt+function: 0xb7c2d128Carg+function: 0xb7c021c8P+function: 0xb7c2d1b8S+function: 0...(tldr) |
| 23:57.15 | nevcairiel | what was the args to UnitPower for feral mana etc? |
| 23:58.28 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitPower |
| 23:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitPowerType |
| 23:59.17 | nevcairiel | thanks |
