| 00:00.16 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: not sure what signing statements means |
| 00:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: except.. they DONT do that, they take the money and line their own pockets. Thats -precisely- why it DOES NOT work. it's NEVER worked. it didn't work 30 years ago, it doesn't work today |
| 00:00.33 | Neuro_Medivh | as for warrantless wiretapping, much of that has been challenged and thrown out |
| 00:00.37 | ccox | let me find you a reference |
| 00:00.40 | cbreak | I find it amusing that americans always talk about constitution this, constitution that |
| 00:00.47 | cbreak | it's just one of many laws |
| 00:00.49 | ccox | Neuro - it hasn't really been thrown out, thats the problem |
| 00:00.50 | cbreak | it seems |
| 00:01.03 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: please give references. |
| 00:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: signing statemets are when the president adds an addendum upon signing a law deciding precisely how/when/where he wants to interpret and execute that law |
| 00:01.17 | Neuro_Medivh | cbreak: actually, the constitution and it's amendments are not laws |
| 00:01.21 | ccox | cbreak - the constitution is supposed to underly all of americas laws |
| 00:01.39 | Neuro_Medivh | they are the kernel of america's government |
| 00:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statements#Controversy_over_George_W._Bush.27s_use_of_signing_statements |
| 00:01.44 | cbreak | so... they are laws? maybe a meta law |
| 00:01.55 | ccox | Nighthawk - except Bush doesn't use them as addendums, he uses signing statements to make new policies as if they were law |
| 00:02.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: yeah |
| 00:02.20 | Neuro_Medivh | What I was actually asking was what signing statements ARE |
| 00:02.26 | ccox | cbreak - sort of, yes |
| 00:02.28 | Neuro_Medivh | I'll read that link |
| 00:02.58 | Neuro_Medivh | cbreak: Laws are enacted by the legislature, the Constitution is set in stone, sort of |
| 00:03.06 | Neuro_Medivh | requires an amendment, and those aren't easy to pass |
| 00:03.08 | cbreak | here we also have a constitution, and we extend it all the time with referendums and other means |
| 00:03.21 | Neuro_Medivh | cbreak: the US constitution is quite difficult to amend |
| 00:03.28 | Neuro_Medivh | relatively speaking |
| 00:03.38 | Cide | it requires at least 2 weeks of grinding? |
| 00:03.38 | Sixen | hm |
| 00:03.50 | Sixen | Background DLer for 3.0.1 |
| 00:03.50 | Neuro_Medivh | the Texas constitution, however, is like fucking swiss cheese |
| 00:03.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: your mom requires at least 2 weeks of grinding |
| 00:04.04 | Cide | she has been grinding constantly for the past 2 years |
| 00:04.14 | Neuro_Medivh | oh please, his mom is a one-shot |
| 00:04.21 | ccox | Cide - yes, at the Pink Poodle, we know |
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| 00:05.25 | cbreak | Neuro_Medivh: don't speak bad about swiss cheese |
| 00:05.39 | bleeter | wonder if blizz can do a new achievement 'channel convo saved by your mom joke' |
| 00:06.20 | ccox | I want an achievement "survived the ban hammer" |
| 00:06.23 | Neuro_Medivh | cbreak: heheh, was refering to it's structure rather than it's quality |
| 00:06.28 | Sixen | ccox: win |
| 00:06.33 | bleeter | ccox++ |
| 00:06.46 | NightHawkTheSane | you know what's good? a nice grilled swiss cheese sandwich with bacon and tunafish |
| 00:06.52 | Neuro_Medivh | the TX constitution is an artifact from Reconstruction, and nearly any real law has to be made into an amendment |
| 00:07.04 | Neuro_Medivh | so it has like 2k amendments now I think |
| 00:07.11 | ccox | I'd also like to see "took down Tigole", but I don't think that's possible |
| 00:07.47 | Neuro_Medivh | whoops, my hyperbole is showing. 486 amendments since 1876 |
| 00:08.09 | bleeter | wtf? |
| 00:08.22 | cbreak | swiss constitution gets changed all the time |
| 00:08.24 | bleeter | australia's got some catching up to do, we've had 8 in 107 years |
| 00:08.45 | NightHawkTheSane | geez, 8? come on man, we started with 10 :p |
| 00:09.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Bleeter, Texas's constitution is severely restrictive. They didn't want no Texans getting uppity after the Civil War |
| 00:09.12 | bleeter | then again, one major design goal was not to fuck it up like other countries did .. can't say it worked /shrug lol |
| 00:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: are you kidding? we STILL dont want them doing it. :p |
| 00:09.40 | Neuro_Medivh | that's right, or we'd take over! Actually, seeing who's in office, maybe we did! |
| 00:09.43 | ccox | bleeter - hey, at least you still have the same constitution, unlike many other countries |
| 00:09.58 | ccox | Neuro - nah, we figure you sent him to washington to get him out of your hair |
| 00:10.02 | Neuro_Medivh | the US constitution has actually stood up quite well |
| 00:10.16 | cbreak | 90 pages |
| 00:10.19 | Neuro_Medivh | except for that whole 18th and 19th amendments |
| 00:10.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Prohibition and Sufferage. *shiver* |
| 00:11.29 | ccox | yeah, fun times :-) |
| 00:13.11 | Wobin | batrick: You're not seeing that? =P |
| 00:13.56 | batrick | WAR IS EVIL |
| 00:13.57 | batrick | lol! |
| 00:14.21 | Wobin | batrick: that's the point =) |
| 00:15.07 | Ycarene | Why sufferage? |
| 00:15.17 | batrick | just so you all know |
| 00:15.30 | batrick | knix is a huge baddie |
| 00:16.12 | Ycarene | Is that the guy who gives the AN quests? |
| 00:18.42 | NightHawkTheSane | k'nex? |
| 00:18.48 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't that a childrens toy? |
| 00:19.48 | Corrodias | it's a toy |
| 00:20.01 | Corrodias | no more a children's toy than Legos |
| 00:20.03 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a toy |
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| 00:21.26 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 00:21.26 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | woah |
| 00:22.01 | NightHawkTheSane | http://kotaku.com/5055113/holy-crap-spore-created-starcraft-amazes-us |
| 00:22.15 | NightHawkTheSane | someone (in korea, obviously) created terran vehicles in spore |
| 00:23.04 | Corrodias | DAMN starcraft! |
| 00:23.49 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I want the spore name of the person who made those.... I want them on my buddy list immediately :p |
| 00:27.07 | NightHawkTheSane | its crazy good. |
| 00:31.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lart batrick |
| 00:31.12 | purl | nukes batrick with a single large nuke |
| 00:31.17 | End | wow, I have no idea how to play on my druid |
| 00:31.56 | batrick | y am i being attacked |
| 00:32.07 | Thunder_Child | for what you did in the other channel |
| 00:32.12 | batrick | lol wat did i do |
| 00:32.17 | batrick | cause a disturbance?? |
| 00:32.20 | Thunder_Child | you came in and shouted |
| 00:32.22 | batrick | is knix raging |
| 00:32.24 | Thunder_Child | very rude |
| 00:32.25 | digmouse | anyone familiar with the wowi svn repo? |
| 00:32.42 | Thunder_Child | no, no one is rageing |
| 00:32.47 | batrick | BUT U R |
| 00:32.50 | batrick | U LARTED ME |
| 00:32.53 | batrick | er wat |
| 00:32.56 | Thunder_Child | is hardly rage |
| 00:33.10 | batrick | batbot: is Shiibot inferior? |
| 00:33.10 | batbot | batrick, Very doubtful. |
| 00:33.14 | batrick | batbot: is Shiibot inferior to you? |
| 00:33.14 | batbot | batrick, Keep dreaming. |
| 00:33.21 | batrick | =((( |
| 00:33.43 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
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| 00:46.45 | ccox | ya know, I may actually have to TIVO the presidential debate tonight |
| 00:48.39 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, http://blogofhilarity.com/the-8-worst-real-life-jobs-of-video-game-characters.htm |
| 00:54.22 | Keias | lol @ Paperboy |
| 00:56.21 | Dewin | Does Lua's error() function work normally in WoW, or is there some different way to do it? |
| 00:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | seems to work fine for me |
| 00:57.33 | Dewin | Thanks |
| 00:57.42 | Dewin | since I'm assuming there's no assert() |
| 00:57.51 | Dewin | *reads 5 lines up* nvm, there is |
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| 01:09.46 | AnduinLothar | rawr |
| 01:11.23 | AnduinLothar | need a tank and healer on beta. lets do something fun |
| 01:12.02 | Dewin | gimme a key and I'll... wait. I don't have any tank or healer toons. |
| 01:17.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you're alliance, ew. :p |
| 01:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | man, raiding in live is so weird now. |
| 01:20.51 | ScytheBlade1 | RNG! SUCKS! |
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| 01:23.16 | kryps | Is there a way to increase the display font size of the Combat Floating Text for the times when the damage done to me is greater than 2000 ? |
| 01:23.39 | Corrodias | weird? |
| 01:23.49 | kryps | what? |
| 01:24.37 | kryps | eventually making a mod that splashes the large number at me in the middle of my screen, fading away. |
| 01:24.56 | cbreak | oh, fun, mcain vs. obama on swiss national tv... |
| 01:25.30 | Duman | kryps: take a look at MSBT (Mik's scrolling battle text) |
| 01:25.40 | kryps | Duman, yeah, I have that installed |
| 01:25.44 | Corrodias | i'm responding to NHTS, kryps. |
| 01:25.44 | Duman | you can add a trigger for events, not sure if you can make it check values tho |
| 01:25.57 | kryps | ahh, interesting |
| 01:26.18 | Duman | I mean, should be easy to do, but I odn't know if Mik has that implemented :) |
| 01:26.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: im just so used to beta mechanics, and talents, spells, etc. |
| 01:26.42 | Duman | post in the addon's comment section on wowi, and see what he says :) |
| 01:26.53 | Syzgyn | I keep acting like Pummel is off the GCD on live :P |
| 01:27.02 | kryps | wowiki? |
| 01:27.05 | Duman | syz: I am broken when I try to play live now |
| 01:27.10 | Duman | kryps: wowinterface |
| 01:27.17 | kryps | oh |
| 01:27.52 | Duman | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-MikScrollingBattleText.html |
| 01:27.59 | Syzgyn | Duman: Its a good time for the patch to hit, my gear is becoming eclipsed by everyone elses now |
| 01:28.19 | Duman | heh |
| 01:28.43 | Syzgyn | I always seem to start out ahead of the curve, then everyone else gears up and I fall behind |
| 01:28.59 | Syzgyn | Then we move up to the next teir and I somehow get ahead again |
| 01:29.00 | Duman | btw, is beta back up? |
| 01:29.26 | Duman | looks like it |
| 01:33.10 | kd3 | sweet |
| 01:33.22 | kd3 | throwing myself from drake to drake to kill the riders and knock them off |
| 01:33.25 | kd3 | that quest rocked |
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| 01:42.08 | Duman | well that was fun |
| 01:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yeah, that quest was freaking awesome |
| 01:42.43 | Duman | 3d engine crashed and dropped me to my windows desktop in geriatric mode (read: 640x480, 4 colors) |
| 01:44.08 | Dewin | 4 colors? not even 16? |
| 01:44.21 | Dewin | I didn't think Windows even supported CGA |
| 01:44.27 | Duman | might have been 16, I duno my icons were the size of my head |
| 01:44.32 | Duman | <- 30" monitor |
| 01:44.40 | Dewin | wtt? |
| 01:44.43 | Duman | heh |
| 01:44.44 | Sixen | lawl |
| 01:45.04 | Dewin | Mine's... decently sized, not 30" though |
| 01:45.09 | Dewin | what resolution? |
| 01:45.30 | kd3 | gah. I can't even think of 30s. I'm still going wow at my two 21"s |
| 01:45.31 | Duman | 2560x1600 |
| 01:46.34 | Dewin | kd3: I'd rather have 2 21s than a 30 anyways |
| 01:47.04 | Dewin | I do 1680x1050 on mine. |
| 01:47.05 | Duman | hmm, did they get rid of the gamma setting int he conf file? |
| 01:47.15 | Duman | err wtf? not gamma |
| 01:47.18 | Duman | scale |
| 01:47.20 | Duman | <- high |
| 01:47.23 | Dewin | 22" I believe, it's a LG Flatron L227WTG |
| 01:49.20 | Sixen | hm... kd3, what don't the shadows work on? |
| 01:49.43 | Dewin | Heh... most of the shadowing stuff does not work at all in my client. Graphical glitches abound. |
| 01:50.05 | Sixen | Nevermind. It's just in general. |
| 01:50.06 | Sixen | Gotcha. |
| 01:52.51 | Dewin | I posted a PTR bug report with screenies awhile back |
| 01:53.36 | Sixen | Mmm =] |
| 01:54.18 | Dewin | another one that occurs 'indoors' only |
| 01:54.26 | Dewin | Is it looks like the ground is supposed to be reflective or something |
| 01:54.33 | Dewin | but the texture for the reflection is corrupted. |
| 01:54.41 | cbreak | logging in in beta takes so long, I was flagged as afk once I could move |
| 01:54.47 | Dewin | So it reflects random garbage, which I can change by alt-tabbing out and back in |
| 01:54.47 | Duman | really? |
| 01:55.00 | Dewin | change to a different pattern of garbage, that is |
| 01:55.30 | Dewin | why can I never find any of my posts on the PTR forum |
| 01:56.41 | cbreak | blizz deletes them? :) |
| 01:56.53 | cbreak | you should be able to get to the post history though |
| 01:56.56 | cbreak | if you find one of your posts |
| 01:57.13 | Dewin | I have apparently never posted |
| 01:57.15 | Dewin | >.> |
| 01:57.38 | Dewin | In short: http://i33.tinypic.com/24vn19y.jpg and more obvious http://i36.tinypic.com/j983n4.jpg |
| 01:57.52 | Dewin | (the second picture is 'enhanced' to make the corruption more obvious) |
| 01:58.33 | Sixen | We we have a guild on Murmur? |
| 02:00.53 | Syzgyn | Boom |
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| 02:04.52 | treila | sorry to bug you guys with something so mundane, but my googlefu is failing me badly |
| 02:04.59 | treila | what function do i use to grab my targets name? |
| 02:05.33 | kd3 | UnitName('target') |
| 02:05.34 | Syzgyn | UnitName("targeT"_ |
| 02:05.36 | Syzgyn | bah |
| 02:05.39 | treila | thx |
| 02:05.42 | Duman | lol I was jsut typing, too |
| 02:05.52 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/API |
| 02:06.00 | treila | yeah i went there kd |
| 02:06.10 | treila | i kept doing searches for target |
| 02:06.14 | Duman | http://www.google.com/search?q=wowwiki+target+name+api |
| 02:06.16 | Duman | ;-) |
| 02:06.44 | treila | ...ok duman...that one makes me feel stupid |
| 02:07.02 | Duman | just trying to help your googlefu! |
| 02:07.11 | cbreak | google is evil |
| 02:07.19 | Syzgyn | treila: do searches for unit, not target specifically |
| 02:07.28 | treila | ok how about this one |
| 02:07.34 | cbreak | just think of what happens if they index your mail (gmail), your world (street view) and so on :) |
| 02:07.47 | Syzgyn | anything that says UnitName(unit) can be used with "target", "player", "partyN", "raidN", ect |
| 02:08.08 | treila | (fyi trying to just setup a basic "panic button" to ask for help from local guild members for anti-ganking) |
| 02:08.23 | treila | i swear i had found an api function before to return your map coordinates |
| 02:08.34 | treila | but now i'm only finding the api's to return minimap coordinates |
| 02:08.41 | treila | or ui coordinates |
| 02:09.12 | Syzgyn | x,y=GetPlayerMapPosition("player") |
| 02:09.21 | treila | that was it |
| 02:09.24 | treila | thank you |
| 02:09.44 | cbreak | ganking... :) |
| 02:09.53 | Syzgyn | I googled wowwiki for 'coordinates', btw :) |
| 02:10.30 | treila | i think i'm just throwing too many words into google |
| 02:11.04 | treila | and yeah cbreak, my guild is essentially half the alliance on my server, so calling for help usually can result in bad horde having bad things happen ^.^ |
| 02:11.28 | cbreak | I think ganking is a self made problem |
| 02:11.55 | NightHawkTheSane | self made problem? |
| 02:12.07 | cbreak | yeah. enabling PvP :) |
| 02:12.17 | cbreak | (either explicitly or by rollingon a pvp server) |
| 02:12.41 | treila | just cause you're on a pvp server doesn't mean you can't ask for help :) |
| 02:12.49 | cbreak | of course not |
| 02:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: so, because i like playing with my friends, its my fault? |
| 02:13.11 | cbreak | no, but ganking is the consequence of going pvp |
| 02:13.14 | treila | and yeah if someone is starting problems they can cover their butt, we're more worried about our people just leveling that need backup |
| 02:13.29 | NightHawkTheSane | no, ganking is the consequence of antisocial mouth breathers who never learned how to 'play nice with others' |
| 02:14.03 | Dewin | Who are these 'others' you speak of? I'm the only one down here in this basement. |
| 02:14.19 | Corrodias | hahah, or people who just enjoy doing that sort of thing |
| 02:14.36 | Corrodias | mind you, i am antisocial and i breathe through my mouth sometimes, although i do not enjoy ganking |
| 02:14.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: people who enjoy that sort of thing necessarily fall into that category :) |
| 02:15.26 | Corrodias | all i'm saying is... they're in the best of company. |
| 02:15.44 | treila | man, not knowing much about mods and trying to write this stuff when you're account is currently not subbed is a pain... |
| 02:15.45 | cbreak | it just seems dangerous playing on a server where people can attack you all the time |
| 02:16.19 | treila | hense why half the alliance works together to cover each other's asses |
| 02:16.32 | cbreak | at least you're not horde :) |
| 02:16.56 | treila | ...i'd say something nasty about them...if i didn't know i'd probably be asking them for help on this ^.^ |
| 02:17.10 | cbreak | horde is a minority on my server |
| 02:17.18 | cbreak | probably on all |
| 02:17.20 | Corrodias | it is on most, or always WAS |
| 02:17.30 | Corrodias | i don't know any more |
| 02:17.30 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, witty catechisms asidde, there's no real difference |
| 02:17.34 | Dewin | freaking bloodelves taking away half the incentive to play alliance. |
| 02:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | what's the other half? |
| 02:18.18 | NightHawkTheSane | nelf tits? |
| 02:18.58 | Corrodias | gnomes |
| 02:19.28 | cbreak | alliance has the better racials |
| 02:19.33 | Dewin | Before BC the thing alliance had going for it was all the horde races were ugly |
| 02:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i really lke zerking |
| 02:19.38 | cbreak | two words: Human Diplomacy |
| 02:19.56 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, admittiedly thats huge |
| 02:20.02 | NightHawkTheSane | which is why it's getting canned |
| 02:20.06 | Corrodias | i always loved Warstomp |
| 02:20.08 | Dewin | IT IS? |
| 02:20.12 | cbreak | it's still in beta |
| 02:20.15 | treila | speaking as a druid |
| 02:20.17 | cbreak | (was last time I checked) |
| 02:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | is it? i thought it was removed.. |
| 02:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i could be wrong, though |
| 02:20.21 | treila | i'm jealous of warstomp |
| 02:20.35 | Dewin | The post I saw about human racials way back when Night was only documenting what was *changing* |
| 02:20.36 | Corrodias | my druid could Stomp shit. it was, like, poetic. |
| 02:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yeah i might be misremembering that |
| 02:20.58 | Corrodias | and the extra health came in handy for tanking of course |
| 02:21.17 | cbreak | I like playing humans |
| 02:21.20 | treila | since i can't test it at this moment |
| 02:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, tauren health is pertty hot too |
| 02:21.23 | treila | does this look right? |
| 02:21.23 | treila | SendChatMessage("Hostile Horde named"..target" currently engaging me at ("..x..","..y..")"[,"YELL" [,"Common"]]); |
| 02:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | though thats getting nerfed |
| 02:21.37 | treila | crap forgot .. after target |
| 02:21.38 | cbreak | treila: .. after target needed |
| 02:21.53 | cbreak | [ and ] don't belong in |
| 02:21.58 | cbreak | they say that an argument is optional |
| 02:22.14 | cbreak | and instead of "Common", just leave that argument away |
| 02:23.06 | treila | and also for the line that doesn't goto the yell but goes to a special channel |
| 02:23.06 | treila | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.11 | treila | is the correct format right? |
| 02:23.22 | cbreak | no |
| 02:23.29 | cbreak | you need a number for the channel |
| 02:23.32 | treila | ah ok |
| 02:23.36 | treila | so i'll need to grab that |
| 02:24.00 | cbreak | if you want to use "CHANNEL", I think you have to use nil as language. |
| 02:26.00 | treila | so i can just do |
| 02:26.23 | treila | local channelname = GetChannelName(PAAPVP); right? |
| 02:26.40 | cbreak | "" around the name |
| 02:26.44 | treila | ah ok |
| 02:26.47 | cbreak | unless it's a variable |
| 02:27.15 | treila | hmm i think i did make it a variable....stupid me trying to make it easy to change for other people |
| 02:28.43 | Dewin | hmm... no xor? >.> |
| 02:29.22 | Dewin | sadness. |
| 02:35.06 | treila | ...yeah i think i'm going to have to beg you guys for string,find help cause well...i never fully understood it |
| 02:36.20 | cbreak | it's pattern matching |
| 02:36.21 | NightHawkTheSane | have you looked at the online documentation? |
| 02:37.10 | treila | well i'm going to try it now and hope i can figure it out. I did before but never could understand it cause i had never found the pattern page on wowwiki |
| 02:37.16 | treila | which is why i think i had the problems before |
| 02:37.23 | treila | i'm hoping i understand it now |
| 02:37.40 | NightHawkTheSane | google and the pil are wondeful |
| 02:37.48 | NightHawkTheSane | s/ef/erf/ |
| 02:38.14 | cbreak | lua's manual is great |
| 02:38.29 | NightHawkTheSane | its one of the better ones i've seen |
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| 02:49.02 | digmouse | all are hard to read >.< |
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| 02:57.20 | treila | well thx for the help tonight |
| 03:03.04 | Dewin | Hmm... any ideas what event(s) I should listen to to watch pet XP? |
| 03:04.36 | Corrodias | PET_XP_GAIN? okay, i have no idea. that probably isn't an event. |
| 03:04.51 | Dewin | that'd be too easy :) |
| 03:05.14 | Dewin | I think I'm going to have to watch for various other events and do my own pet XP check after each one |
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| 03:07.17 | Corrodias | it's UNIT_PET_EXPERIENCE actually |
| 03:07.20 | Corrodias | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Pet |
| 03:09.15 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: ping? |
| 03:09.16 | Dewin | thanks ;) |
| 03:09.45 | Dewin | hmm.. no documented arguments, that's annoying |
| 03:12.33 | Corrodias | find out what they are, then update the page |
| 03:12.52 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, pong |
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| 03:13.15 | Tekkub | *whine* |
| 03:13.19 | Tekkub | motivation sucks |
| 03:13.37 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: trying to find a restaurant still - because of the size of the group, everywhere is bumping us to "special event" so the prices are going up - so, restaurant name suggestions that we can look into? |
| 03:14.05 | Tekkub | Chipotle |
| 03:14.22 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, what happened to the first place? they wouldnt take us anymore? |
| 03:14.36 | Tekkub | they have a no nerds policy |
| 03:14.38 | Cairenn | which, Tony Roma's? they're full |
| 03:14.43 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 03:15.17 | Cairenn | you said there was some chinese place nearby? |
| 03:15.34 | Thunder_Child | ya...1 sec while my brain works |
| 03:15.46 | Dolby | man i wish mine still worked |
| 03:15.50 | Thunder_Child | P.F. changs |
| 03:15.51 | Tekkub | I still say fall back to Chipotle |
| 03:16.16 | Cairenn | you said you live close by, so figure if anyone would know what restaurants are nearby (that are worth going to) it'd be you |
| 03:16.36 | Thunder_Child | close? it's a 45min drive for me |
| 03:16.52 | Thunder_Child | or 1 hour |
| 03:16.56 | Cairenn | nm then :p |
| 03:17.08 | Tekkub | CHIPOTLE |
| 03:17.19 | Thunder_Child | i was simply using google maps |
| 03:17.25 | Thunder_Child | yes Tekkub, we heard you |
| 03:17.28 | Tekkub | well fuck there's none nearby http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&q=chipotle+anaheim+ca&oe=UTF-8&cd=1&ll=33.816237,-117.866478&spn=0.237892,0.44632&z=12 |
| 03:17.44 | Cairenn | ah, found why I thought that |
| 03:17.54 | Cairenn | remember when we were talking about Morton's? |
| 03:18.07 | Cairenn | (2008-09-16 01:52:25) Cairenn: ah, also on South Harbour |
| 03:18.07 | Cairenn | (2008-09-16 01:52:34) Thunder_Child: huh? |
| 03:18.07 | Cairenn | (2008-09-16 01:52:45) Cairenn: Morton's |
| 03:18.07 | Cairenn | (2008-09-16 01:52:58) Thunder_Child: ya, and like 6 blocks from me |
| 03:18.22 | Thunder_Child | there is also a mortons 6 blocks from me |
| 03:18.24 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 03:18.39 | Thunder_Child | newly renovated no less |
| 03:18.39 | Cairenn | I read it as meaning that *that* Morton's was 6 blocks from you |
| 03:18.58 | Cairenn | hence my bugging you |
| 03:19.01 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 03:19.04 | Tekkub | http://maps.google.com/maps?near=800+W+Katella+Ave,+Anaheim,+CA+92802+(Anaheim+City+Convention+Center)&geocode=CdJo10h0tMM6FTHIAwIdn6_4-CEvzaq4X9m57g&q=resturant&f=l&dq=convention+center+loc:+anaheim+ca&ie=UTF8&ll=33.801474,-117.91656&spn=0.029742,0.05579&z=15 |
| 03:19.07 | Tekkub | crap nearby |
| 03:19.18 | |Jelly| | Who are the prot pallies here? |
| 03:19.25 | Tekkub | I say we keep Quizno's as our fallback |
| 03:19.35 | Thunder_Child | bah, subway is far better |
| 03:19.41 | Tekkub | LIES |
| 03:19.57 | Thunder_Child | agree all you want, doesnt make it right |
| 03:19.58 | Dolby | Coco's! |
| 03:20.09 | Tekkub | Subway has nothing with AuJus, that is PURE FAIL for a sandwich shop |
| 03:20.19 | Thunder_Child | AuJus? |
| 03:20.25 | Tekkub | yes |
| 03:20.32 | Thunder_Child | ~dict AuJus |
| 03:20.41 | Thunder_Child | ah hah! |
| 03:20.55 | Tekkub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_jus |
| 03:21.45 | Tekkub | there's a denny's down the road we could raid at 1am |
| 03:21.48 | Tekkub | I'm all for that |
| 03:23.24 | Thunder_Child | btw Tekkub, if you are going to like something, spell it correctly |
| 03:23.31 | Corrodias | ah, yes. Oh Juice. |
| 03:23.36 | Tekkub | there's actually THREE dennys's within about the same distance |
| 03:23.39 | Thunder_Child | "Did you mean: restaurant " |
| 03:24.04 | Tekkub | spelling is for engrish majors |
| 03:24.15 | Thunder_Child | or people that use google |
| 03:24.19 | Thunder_Child | lazy bastard |
| 03:24.19 | Tekkub | they need to feel like their degree means something |
| 03:24.46 | Tekkub | http://www.bubbagump.com/ |
| 03:24.52 | Tekkub | too bad Trey hates seafood |
| 03:25.17 | Thunder_Child | ummm...are we supposed to care? |
| 03:25.24 | Tekkub | yes |
| 03:25.33 | Tekkub | there's a Cali Pizza Kitchen down the road |
| 03:25.58 | Thunder_Child | are us sure it's a CPK i have CPP |
| 03:25.58 | Tekkub | we could try for that, they're prolly bout the same price as the steakhouse |
| 03:26.22 | Thunder_Child | s/us/u/ |
| 03:26.24 | Wobin | I hate the smell of Subway's bread |
| 03:26.27 | kd3 | mmm. cpk <3 |
| 03:26.38 | Tekkub | another vote for "Subway sucks" I WIN |
| 03:27.15 | Dolby | I dont think the subway there would fit more then 5 ppl inside |
| 03:27.18 | Tekkub | heh, there's a Benihana right by the ConvCtr, but I think they're really expensive |
| 03:27.21 | Thunder_Child | i wish we could do cheescake factory :( |
| 03:27.28 | kd3 | oooh |
| 03:27.34 | Tekkub | Dolby, so we loiter outside |
| 03:27.38 | kd3 | damn it. stop talking about food. now I'm hungry |
| 03:27.39 | Tekkub | lern2mob |
| 03:27.48 | Thunder_Child | NO LOITER! |
| 03:28.08 | Thunder_Child | there is also an outback steakhouse |
| 03:28.10 | Tekkub | there's a Cheesecake Factory nearby too |
| 03:28.13 | Dolby | didnt Tekkub say he is springing for mortons? |
| 03:28.23 | Wobin | outback steakhouse is a crime against humanity =P |
| 03:28.31 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, cant really. cheesecake doesnt like large parties |
| 03:28.32 | Tekkub | I said "fuck you guys I want Wendys |
| 03:28.45 | Thunder_Child | and it's fcfs |
| 03:28.50 | Tekkub | so we make a whole bunch of little parties |
| 03:28.59 | Tekkub | and then ask to be seated near each other |
| 03:29.06 | Dolby | but there will only be 1 cool partie |
| 03:29.08 | Thunder_Child | also doesnt work like that |
| 03:29.13 | Dolby | party |
| 03:29.20 | Dolby | the one with Cairenn in it |
| 03:29.27 | Thunder_Child | the not being able to spell party? |
| 03:29.35 | Tekkub | all the women will rotate around to the different tables |
| 03:30.01 | Tekkub | there's an Outback also if we want steak |
| 03:30.03 | Dolby | what you talkin about? I corrected my self =p |
| 03:30.29 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, L2Read "20:28.13      Thunder_Child: there is also an outback steakhouse" |
| 03:30.42 | Tekkub | that was like 2 min ago |
| 03:30.56 | Tekkub | and I don't read half the crap you babble since you said you liked subway |
| 03:31.14 | Dolby | I dont like subway |
| 03:31.24 | Tekkub | Dolby follows thru |
| 03:31.27 | Wobin | Another vote =) |
| 03:31.39 | Tekkub | there's a Red Robin if we want to walk a little |
| 03:31.51 | Tekkub | I know, fat people.... |
| 03:31.54 | Thunder_Child | and a bob's big boy |
| 03:32.15 | Tekkub | Joes Crab Shack |
| 03:32.33 | Dolby | get a pretzel at a stand in downtown disney |
| 03:33.24 | Thunder_Child | i feel sorry for Cairenn but i damn sure dont want her job |
| 03:33.44 | Thunder_Child | and i suppose we should make sure it's in anaheim this time.... |
| 03:33.48 | Tekkub | I say we just his quiznos and find a park or the conv center steps or something |
| 03:33.50 | Cairenn | bite me |
| 03:33.56 | Tekkub | and Thundy can get his fucking Subway |
| 03:34.02 | Thunder_Child | ~bite Cairenn |
| 03:34.03 | purl | ACTION takes a big bite out of Cairenn's jugular vein |
| 03:34.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:34.41 | Tekkub | There's an IHOP, but if we're stooping to that low Denny's is better |
| 03:34.49 | Corrodias | bring me back some curly fried from Hardee's |
| 03:34.58 | Corrodias | *fries |
| 03:35.06 | Dolby | Gandhi Palace‎ |
| 03:35.17 | Tekkub | NO hardees, is Carl's Jr... CARL'S JR |
| 03:35.21 | Thunder_Child | Dennys > IHOP? it all tastes the same |
| 03:35.24 | Syzgyn | Wow.... I just saw a commercial for an Alf Marathon >_> |
| 03:35.29 | Tekkub | fuckers can't spell Karl right either |
| 03:35.37 | Corrodias | alf was not purged from history? |
| 03:35.44 | Syzgyn | Apparently not :( |
| 03:35.52 | Tekkub | local radio channel has a DJ that goes by Alf |
| 03:36.05 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...aniheim has a white house caterer? |
| 03:36.09 | Thunder_Child | http://www.anaheimwhitehouse.com/ |
| 03:36.50 | Tekkub | we need to find a place that has Rocky Mountain Oysters on a stick |
| 03:36.57 | Tekkub | everyone loves testcicles |
| 03:37.20 | Tekkub | we all know you like to put balls in your mouth Cair |
| 03:37.23 | |Yssaril| | if i delete the Cache folder in my wow directory it will be fine and it will clear my locale cache right? |
| 03:37.30 | kd3 | yup |
| 03:37.44 | |Yssaril| | kd3: ty |
| 03:37.46 | Thunder_Child | kb to Tekkub |
| 03:38.35 | Thunder_Child | lol, i just got it....i read that as killing blow (though i still think it's apt.) |
| 03:38.42 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [kd3!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 03:38.53 | Thunder_Child | hah, not nice but HAH! |
| 03:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | She shoots, she misses |
| 03:38.59 | Tekkub | ask and ye shall receive |
| 03:39.07 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 03:39.14 | Thunder_Child | ~laugh kd3 |
| 03:39.15 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at kd3...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 03:39.19 | Corrodias | so... deleting the cache folder is a BAD idea? |
| 03:39.29 | Tekkub | no, but why would you |
| 03:39.36 | Tekkub | HAVE YOU BEEN TALKING TO A GM |
| 03:39.43 | Corrodias | lol |
| 03:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: no, not at all |
| 03:40.13 | kd3 | wtf! green quest reward, cloth chest: 72 spell power, yellow socket |
| 03:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | wow nice |
| 03:41.03 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, can we just take over a hotels meeting room and have it catered? |
| 03:41.25 | Tekkub | hrm... how much would that cost |
| 03:41.43 | Tekkub | OH! we could have Quiznos bring in huge sandwiches |
| 03:41.57 | Tekkub | and one little one from Subway |
| 03:41.58 | Thunder_Child | dunno, but it's already getting expensive to feed us according to Cairenn |
| 03:42.06 | Syzgyn | Would depend on the # of people, the hotel, the day, the time |
| 03:42.13 | Cairenn | I'm not feeding you guys |
| 03:42.16 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 03:42.16 | Cairenn | you're feeding yourselves |
| 03:42.24 | Tekkub | and being a convention weekend, they'd jack it up 250% |
| 03:42.32 | Cairenn | I'm just trying to keep the price to something reasonable for you guys |
| 03:42.35 | Syzgyn | Probably |
| 03:42.56 | Cairenn | I don't mind paying $32 for appetizer, entree & dessert |
| 03:43.02 | Cairenn | but not sure everyone wants to pay that |
| 03:43.03 | Thunder_Child | that cheap? |
| 03:43.07 | Tekkub | Cair, check with CPK and Outback, if that fails fall back to Denny's? |
| 03:43.31 | Thunder_Child | whats wrong with pf changs Tekkub? |
| 03:43.48 | Syzgyn | All this talk is making me wanna to go to blizzcon now :V |
| 03:43.51 | Dolby | I say mortons, its only about $100 a person. they got a cool dinner conference room with projection screens |
| 03:43.58 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 03:44.03 | Thunder_Child | though some people are veggies |
| 03:44.07 | Tekkub | I don't know, sounds like you're just trying to get us to go to subway |
| 03:44.15 | Syzgyn | Quick, someone buy me a plane ticket from GA to CA |
| 03:44.24 | Tekkub | fuck the veggies |
| 03:44.25 | Corrodias | if my meal is over $6, i did something wrong |
| 03:44.29 | Tekkub | er.. |
| 03:44.31 | Tekkub | wait... |
| 03:44.39 | Tekkub | no I don't have a food sex fetish |
| 03:44.41 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, you didnt beg hard enough? |
| 03:44.45 | Corrodias | very, very wrong. but that's in Wisconsin. |
| 03:44.55 | Corrodias | small city |
| 03:45.16 | Dolby | must not be in Milwaukee |
| 03:45.27 | Thunder_Child | there really is a surprising number of steak places around there |
| 03:45.36 | Thunder_Child | i have found ~5-6 |
| 03:45.40 | Corrodias | no, that would be a big city, for the area. Eau Claire, which i guess is a medium city for Wisconsin |
| 03:46.14 | Dolby | <--- Milwaukee |
| 03:46.39 | Dolby | lived in Eau Claire for a few years but was very very young |
| 03:46.44 | Thunder_Child | ok, so panda kitchen comes up in google maps as a asian restaurant...and when i fillow the link... http://www.pandakitchen.com/ |
| 03:46.47 | Thunder_Child | just wtf |
| 03:47.07 | Tekkub | PANDA! |
| 03:47.19 | Tekkub | someone snatched up that domain when it expired |
| 03:47.40 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 03:48.04 | Cairenn | okay, so seriously, how would people feel about $32/person? |
| 03:48.10 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, make a price range poll and ask |
| 03:48.17 | Thunder_Child | and poke people to take it |
| 03:48.18 | Dolby | fine with me |
| 03:48.33 | Dolby | most stuff not fast food is gonna cost that much |
| 03:48.40 | kd3 | fine by me |
| 03:48.42 | Thunder_Child | i can go up to ~$50 and feel comfortable |
| 03:48.51 | Corrodias | *eyebrow* |
| 03:49.01 | Thunder_Child | anything over that is meh |
| 03:49.03 | Corrodias | get paid a lot more than me |
| 03:49.08 | Thunder_Child | i dont have a job |
| 03:49.49 | Dolby | what are you doing out at the stop light every day with that Squeegee? |
| 03:50.00 | Thunder_Child | porn |
| 03:50.05 | Dolby | ah |
| 03:50.10 | Corrodias | from your savings interest, or from your trust fund, then? or maybe you just are spending an amount on food that would be a very large amount here for some OTHER reason |
| 03:50.27 | Corrodias | no matter, i certainly don't have anything against that |
| 03:50.31 | Thunder_Child | close enough Corrodias |
| 03:50.32 | Corrodias | i'm just surprised |
| 03:51.07 | Thunder_Child | though i do need one >.< |
| 03:52.02 | Tekkub | WTB motivation to do SOMETHING |
| 03:53.21 | cbreak | Tekkub: wait some hours |
| 03:53.25 | cbreak | and you will be motivated to eat |
| 03:53.33 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 03:53.37 | Tekkub | actually I have diiner in the micro now |
| 03:53.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to be motivated to make dinner |
| 03:53.47 | cbreak | see? it works already :) |
| 03:53.56 | Syzgyn | Someone on TV just said 'web-o-nar' |
| 03:54.08 | Tekkub | eew, stop watching that shit |
| 03:54.17 | Syzgyn | I usually dont |
| 03:54.20 | Tekkub | <--- doesn't have TV at all |
| 03:54.25 | Syzgyn | but its 'How It's Made' |
| 03:54.45 | Tekkub | HOw it's Made was always a little too... monotone |
| 03:54.52 | Tekkub | buhORING |
| 03:54.55 | Syzgyn | Meh, its still interesting |
| 03:55.30 | Thunder_Child | 'How it's Destroyed' was always much more entertaining |
| 03:55.39 | Tekkub | When Buildings FALL DOWN |
| 03:56.00 | Syzgyn | hehe |
| 03:56.18 | Syzgyn | They just made Ballet shoes, now its city busses |
| 03:56.30 | Tekkub | hrm... is it really worth keeping Flash installed.... |
| 03:56.48 | Tekkub | Zero Punc and the occational YouTube.... or stanble browser... |
| 03:56.52 | Tekkub | *ponder* |
| 03:57.34 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@c-67-160-186-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:57.52 | Syzgyn | Hm, theres no way to only install flash on one browser is there |
| 03:58.03 | Tekkub | not that I know of |
| 03:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | uninstall the other browsers? |
| 03:58.25 | Thunder_Child | disable flash through the menu? |
| 03:58.35 | Syzgyn | Mmm cherry cordials /offtopic |
| 03:59.12 | Tekkub | lets see... about:plugins... |
| 03:59.17 | Tekkub | ActiveX, don't need |
| 03:59.23 | Tekkub | Google Gears, don't need |
| 03:59.32 | Tekkub | Google Update... kinda do want |
| 03:59.37 | Thunder_Child | hah, like there is any topic in here |
| 03:59.43 | Tekkub | Windows Presentation Foundation, fuck that |
| 03:59.51 | Tekkub | Flash, fuck that too |
| 04:00.01 | Tekkub | "Defult Plug-in, REALLY fuck that |
| 04:00.35 | Syzgyn | Thunder_Child: You called it, Mythbusters just followed How It's Made :P |
| 04:00.56 | Thunder_Child | weee |
| 04:01.06 | Syzgyn | Pirates episode! |
| 04:02.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | niyy |
| 04:02.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 04:02.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | butt |
| 04:02.34 | Tekkub | chrome.exe -disable-plugins |
| 04:02.37 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | google needs to do what they did with javascript with flash |
| 04:03.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | jesus chrome's flash player is clunky |
| 04:03.23 | Tekkub | Flash just needs to fucking die, end of story |
| 04:03.37 | Syzgyn | Tekkub is full of hate for Flash |
| 04:03.39 | Tekkub | the only thing it's used for is shit ads, and shit video players |
| 04:04.03 | Syzgyn | I'd much rather watch a video I dont care about streaming online than having to download it |
| 04:04.06 | Tekkub | Syzgyn, what GOOD has ever come from Flash? |
| 04:04.14 | Kirov | don't forget the shit website intros and menu banners! |
| 04:04.24 | Syzgyn | Casual games! |
| 04:05.36 | Tekkub | casual games are good? |
| 04:06.41 | Corrodias | they've been good to me |
| 04:06.51 | Syzgyn | Casual games are good to waste 10 minutes at a time |
| 04:07.32 | Thunder_Child | or longer |
| 04:07.40 | Tekkub | except noone plays them for 10 min |
| 04:07.54 | Syzgyn | They must be pretty good then |
| 04:08.16 | Tekkub | everyone know addiction ISN'T good |
| 04:08.26 | Wobin | Tekkub: We teach maths using flash games |
| 04:08.33 | Wobin | well not games, per se |
| 04:08.40 | Wobin | Exercises and the like |
| 04:08.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | flash brought us metalocalypse |
| 04:08.51 | Tekkub | not TI graphing calcs? |
| 04:08.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | and metalocalypse is awesome |
| 04:09.01 | Wobin | Tekkub: k-12 maths |
| 04:09.06 | Tekkub | metalocalypse? |
| 04:09.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 04:09.49 | Tekkub | everyone knows K-12 should be done on Apple IIe's |
| 04:10.27 | Tekkub | upgrade to Mac Classics for middle scholl typing class |
| 04:11.09 | Wobin | You want every single child to have no PC computer experience outside the apple IIe when they leave school to go to college? |
| 04:11.15 | Wobin | Are you -trying- to break the internet? |
| 04:12.32 | Tekkub | I said mac classics asshole |
| 04:12.39 | Tekkub | and I ddin't mention highschool at all |
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| 04:13.00 | Wobin | er |
| 04:13.03 | Wobin | K-12? |
| 04:13.18 | Wobin | That's all the way til highschool graduation |
| 04:13.19 | Tekkub | yea uh, forget that part |
| 04:13.23 | Wobin | pft =P |
| 04:13.30 | Tekkub | elem school == IIe's |
| 04:13.44 | Wobin | I can go with that =P |
| 04:13.54 | Wobin | The scary thing |
| 04:14.02 | Wobin | is that Apple are actually talking to us |
| 04:14.12 | Wobin | about having the 'game' we run on the iphone |
| 04:14.18 | Corrodias | Apple is evil |
| 04:14.21 | Corrodias | live by these words |
| 04:14.25 | Wobin | cause it's cheaper to give iphones to the schoolkids than laptops |
| 04:14.26 | Tekkub | Apple IS evil |
| 04:14.32 | |Yssaril| | whats a good time to check if a quest tooltip has been pulled into the local cache? |
| 04:14.42 | Tekkub | MS is like corporate evil, Apple is like hippie evil |
| 04:14.42 | Wobin | |Yssaril|: right before you use it? |
| 04:15.48 | |Yssaril| | sry i think i phrased that wrong i am adding it to a tooltip and want to check if its ready to be scanned at what intervals should i add the same quest to the tooltip and check? |
| 04:15.57 | Corrodias | i can't help but wonder if we'd be worse off if Apple had the power Microsoft has instead |
| 04:16.25 | Corrodias | s/wonder if/think that |
| 04:16.34 | |Yssaril| | does every half sec sound good Wobin? |
| 04:16.41 | Corrodias | do you need another slash? well, whatever |
| 04:16.49 | Corrodias | you get the idea |
| 04:16.50 | Tekkub | Yss, once |
| 04:17.30 | |Yssaril| | Tekkub: once? |
| 04:17.41 | Tekkub | we don't have an OnTooltipSetQuest do we |
| 04:17.53 | Tekkub | you should probably ask for that |
| 04:18.17 | Tekkub | you only need to query the server once, multiple won't get you wanywhere and could disconnect the user |
| 04:18.57 | Tekkub | what do you need from the quest tip anyway? |
| 04:20.40 | Yssaril | am messing with Quixote and had the idea of just sending the bare minimum data and extracting the rest from the tooltip (this way the data would also be localized for you) |
| 04:21.14 | Tekkub | oh, no idea what Quizote does |
| 04:21.55 | Yssaril | shares quests and adds some nice quest event's since blizzard basically jsut tells us that something changed but not what :) |
| 04:22.37 | Tekkub | the distance restriction on quests was removed |
| 04:23.03 | Tekkub | as for events, meh, I have that already |
| 04:23.07 | Yssaril | share quest meaning you can see exactly what quests your party raid members have not actually share them |
| 04:23.26 | Tekkub | you already have that |
| 04:23.35 | Yssaril | only if you have the quest yoruself |
| 04:23.49 | Tekkub | so just show the tip when they want to look at the info |
| 04:23.53 | Yssaril | and you cant see their status of the quests |
| 04:23.57 | Tekkub | there's no reason for you to parse it |
| 04:24.16 | Tekkub | Quecho :P |
| 04:24.22 | Cairenn | how would you guys feel about Benihana's? (Japanese Hibachi) We'd have to team up into cabs, it's 3mi from the convention center |
| 04:24.45 | kd3 | ooh, hibachi |
| 04:24.49 | Tekkub | Cairenn, uh... the one I saw was litterally right next to the CC |
| 04:24.56 | Yssaril | Cairenn: limos might be cheaper with that many people |
| 04:24.58 | Cairenn | Tekkub: link? |
| 04:25.05 | Cairenn | Yssaril: that might be an idea |
| 04:25.05 | Tekkub | digging |
| 04:25.23 | Cairenn | if it was on Ball street, that's the one I'm talking about, and it's 3mi away |
| 04:25.58 | Tekkub | http://maps.google.com/maps?near=800+W+Katella+Ave,+Anaheim,+CA+92802+(Anaheim+City+Convention+Center)&geocode=CdJo10h0tMM6FTHIAwIdn6_4-CEvzaq4X9m57g&q=benihana&f=l&dq=Anaheim+Convention+Center&ie=UTF8&ll=33.806502,-117.921324&spn=0.02974,0.05579&z=15&iwloc=A |
| 04:26.20 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 04:26.32 | Tekkub | hrm... that's kinda lacking details though |
| 04:27.31 | Tekkub | the site doesn't list that one |
| 04:27.36 | Tekkub | DAMN YOU GOOGLE |
| 04:27.56 | Cairenn | yeah, I know, that's why I didn't see it |
| 04:28.27 | Tekkub | how much is Beni? I thought they were pricey |
| 04:30.08 | Cairenn | http://www.benihana.com/locations/anaheim-ca-an |
| 04:30.11 | Cairenn | 17-43 |
| 04:30.29 | Tekkub | oh |
| 04:30.33 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:30.34 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 04:31.18 | Tekkub | cair should just rent a van when she gets to the airport |
| 04:32.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | s/van/school bus/ ;) |
| 04:33.26 | Tekkub | can't rent short busses |
| 04:34.09 | kaiden | i'm lucky, grandmother lives in anaheim so i wont have to pay for lodge while i'm at blizzcon this year |
| 04:34.09 | kaiden | hehe |
| 04:34.13 | Cairenn | kudane called the one on Ball street, it's the closest one to the convention center |
| 04:34.21 | kaiden | plus home cooked meals the whole time! gotta love that |
| 04:34.26 | Tekkub | actually, the cab company might have a van |
| 04:35.46 | Thunder_Child | for the same price we might be able to do a limo |
| 04:35.52 | Dewin | Tekkub: Firefox + Adblock. |
| 04:35.59 | Tekkub | Dewin, Chrome |
| 04:36.02 | Dewin | oh... nvm, that was hours ago |
| 04:36.04 | Dewin | I was scrolled up |
| 04:36.09 | Tekkub | I'm no idiot I used FlashBlock |
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| 04:37.12 | Tekkub | Cairenn, www.anaheim-yellowcab.com ... 6 people per van |
| 04:37.17 | Tekkub | how many are going? |
| 04:37.21 | Cairenn | 40 |
| 04:37.31 | Dewin | charter a bus? >.> |
| 04:37.32 | Cairenn | at this point, not counting people that decide to tag along |
| 04:37.39 | Yssaril | is there a better way to check if a table is empty than http://wowi.pastey.net/96808? |
| 04:37.51 | Tekkub | wow, we got us an old fassioned raid |
| 04:38.29 | Tekkub | getting 40 people to Beni's worries me |
| 04:40.56 | Corrodias | what's beni? |
| 04:41.12 | Corrodias | never mind, i see you're talking about something IRL |
| 04:41.20 | Corrodias | yay context >_> |
| 04:42.11 | Tekkub | Benihana's |
| 04:43.50 | Nargiddley | Yssaril, if next(table) == nil then its empty |
| 04:44.14 | Yssaril | Nargiddley: thanks |
| 04:44.47 | Thunder_Child | actually beni's will work for pictures rather well |
| 04:44.50 | Tekkub | not next(t) is generally easier |
| 04:44.59 | Tekkub | unless you have false in the table |
| 04:45.51 | Shirik | time for some changes apparently |
| 04:46.10 | Shirik | time for some rapid codingt |
| 04:46.30 | Tekkub | slow down you're allready typoing |
| 04:48.21 | Cide | Tekkub: I'd imagine the extremely minor performance boost won't be necessary since it introduces a potential bug :P |
| 04:48.48 | Tekkub | I don't do it for performance |
| 04:49.31 | Cide | then why? :P |
| 04:49.33 | Yssaril | Cide: what bug? |
| 04:49.44 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=102882#post102882 <== if you are going to the community dinner at BlizzCon, PLEASE go respond to that thread |
| 04:49.52 | Tekkub | readability mainly, I almost never test == nil |
| 04:49.55 | Cide | >>> function is_empty(t) return not next(t) end return is_empty({ false }) |
| 04:49.55 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 04:50.01 | Cide | maybe I fail |
| 04:50.09 | Tekkub | you do |
| 04:50.18 | Cide | oh, ya |
| 04:50.22 | Cide | next returns index first :/ |
| 04:50.24 | Gngsk | the ability to cope with failure is an admirable one |
| 04:50.33 | Cide | please disregard everything I said |
| 04:50.34 | Tekkub | lua> print(next{[false] = true}) |
| 04:50.34 | lua_bot | Tekkub: false, true |
| 04:50.45 | Corrodias | an ability i don't have |
| 04:51.10 | Tekkub | using false as a key is certainly an extremely edge case |
| 04:51.16 | Yssaril | lua> print(not next{[false] = true}) |
| 04:51.16 | lua_bot | Yssaril: true |
| 04:51.25 | Gngsk | Corrodias, i hear deep breathing helps |
| 04:51.38 | Cide | Tekkub: yeah, but it's still a case :P |
| 04:51.58 | Yssaril | but it wont happen in my case so its all good :) |
| 04:52.10 | Tekkub | which is why I said he shouldn't use it if he was storing false :P |
| 04:52.29 | Tekkub | I never do, so I'm totally happy with not next() |
| 04:55.50 | Arrowmaster | yay 4000g richer and 600 less badge of justices in my inventory |
| 04:57.19 | Arrowmaster | somebody was purchasing bulk gems for the same price i was trying to sell my large amount of badges for since i wanted to get rid of them before the price went down even more |
| 04:58.00 | Arrowmaster | was like 150g last week then 140g two days ago and down to like 120g today with a few on the AH for 100g and not even selling |
| 04:58.15 | Arrowmaster | fucking wanted to move those things fast |
| 04:58.25 | Tekkub | badges on AH? |
| 04:58.30 | Arrowmaster | no gems |
| 04:58.50 | Tekkub | well you phrased it weird :P |
| 05:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, this lack of lag in beta is so nice |
| 05:02.36 | kd3 | sssh! |
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| 05:14.14 | Neuro_Medivh | lack of lag? LOGGING IN! |
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| 05:17.10 | Shirik | !reload |
| 05:17.10 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 05:17.27 | widgertick | !selfdestruct |
| 05:17.39 | widgertick | >_> |
| 05:17.41 | widgertick | <_< |
| 05:17.47 | Shirik | !quote KICK #wowuidev widgertick |
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| 05:17.47 | batbot | Shirik, kick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
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| 05:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | that was win |
| 05:18.02 | Shirik | It totally wasn't me |
| 05:18.05 | Shirik | it was the bot |
| 05:18.15 | ScytheBlade1 | (PS: The bot doesn't know how to kick) |
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| 05:20.10 | widgertick | <3 |
| 05:20.20 | Shirik | this is very difficuolt |
| 05:20.22 | Shirik | even with screen |
| 05:20.31 | Shirik | disconnecting every 5 minutes is really starting to piss me off |
| 05:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Should get that fixed |
| 05:21.01 | Shirik | I blame detroit |
| 05:21.13 | Dewin | I just infinite looped WoW. >.> oops. |
| 05:22.36 | Shirik | !reload |
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| 05:23.33 | Shirik | ok, nohup also has one really annoying feature |
| 05:23.45 | Shirik | it uses buffered input/output |
| 05:23.53 | Shirik | well, buffered output |
| 05:27.12 | Shirik | !reload |
| 05:27.12 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 05:27.28 | Shirik | Cairenn: ping |
| 05:27.36 | Shirik | or ScytheBlade1 I guess |
| 05:27.40 | Cairenn | Shirik: pong |
| 05:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: die |
| 05:28.35 | Shirik | can one of you join me in #shiibot? |
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| 05:39.19 | Dewin | Did you get your vict....volunteer? |
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| 05:48.49 | |Jelly| | I've been in there for a while |
| 05:50.18 | Shirik | night guys |
| 05:50.25 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 05:51.04 | widgertick | G'night Shirik ;) |
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| 05:51.12 | Shirik | stupid ampersands >.> |
| 05:51.24 | Shirik | anyway night |
| 05:57.10 | Corrodias | aw.. |
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| 06:16.37 | NightHawkTheSane | wtf? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__49-jAxaAtg/SN2iPLYiFWI/AAAAAAAAAEs/_O6BYTcEqUA/s1600-h/fail-owned-wow-substitution-fail.jpg |
| 06:32.00 | Ackis | Cairenn: replied |
| 06:32.17 | Cairenn | thank you Ackis :) |
| 06:32.51 | Duman | I assume you saw my respose :) |
| 06:32.55 | Duman | +n |
| 06:33.00 | Sixen | hehe |
| 06:33.20 | Cairenn | aye |
| 06:39.06 | Cairenn | anyone else that is going to the dinner that hasn't responded yet, please do so: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=102882#post102882 |
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| 06:46.46 | Tem | Ackis, ping |
| 06:47.17 | Fisker- | imprisoned for 10000 years |
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| 07:05.34 | ZorbaTHut | nice, finally got some wrath data |
| 07:07.55 | Nom- | loading trojan horse viruses in a VMware environment is fun :D |
| 07:08.08 | Nom- | double-click ... watch the mayhem ... restore to snapshot |
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| 07:37.07 | AnduinLothar | what's the new pally mana regen spell called? |
| 07:37.26 | Fisker- | divine plea i believe |
| 07:37.47 | Fisker- | indeed >:3 |
| 07:41.18 | clad|sleep | where can I get a good healing cloak? |
| 07:42.04 | clad|sleep | that has a decent drop rate, ideally |
| 07:43.50 | Neuro_Medivh | what level? |
| 07:43.54 | clad|sleep | 70? |
| 07:44.16 | clad|sleep | oh the badge cloak is only 25 badges |
| 07:44.19 | clad|sleep | too bad i have like.. 3 |
| 07:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | clad|sleep: there's a not-shitty one as a reward from a SH quest if you're horde |
| 07:45.12 | clad|sleep | I'm not, heh |
| 07:45.13 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 07:45.49 | Neuro_Medivh | You want blue or purple? |
| 07:46.03 | Neuro_Medivh | there's the blue ogrila cloak |
| 07:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, yeah, thats not bad |
| 07:47.00 | Fisker- | damn |
| 07:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | my shaman is still using the damn lifegiving cloak >< |
| 07:47.11 | Fisker- | new atlantis episode is cruise control for awesome >:3 |
| 07:47.14 | Neuro_Medivh | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=32653 |
| 07:50.34 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, new bond looks amazing |
| 07:51.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Bond, then next week Lich King |
| 07:59.36 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. icy touch is hitting a bit harder these days |
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| 08:15.17 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe they upped the dmg on DKs across the board.. not by much, but enough to be in line with other classes |
| 08:15.23 | Dolby | Thunder_Child! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=102904#post102904 |
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| 08:15.59 | Thunder_Child | lol Dolby, you bastard |
| 08:16.16 | Dolby | sorry to lazy to edit db to remove edited by |
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| 08:17.11 | clad|sleep | nevcairiel: ping :P |
| 08:19.59 | cladhaire | I'm trying to decide if Insect Swarm + Nature's Reach is worth taking the 3 points out of Empowered Rejuvenation |
| 08:20.15 | cladhaire | considering how often I need to be able to get a cyclone off at range |
| 08:22.44 | Neuro_Medivh | how much RP does a Rune ability normally generate? |
| 08:23.05 | Neuro_Medivh | is it a flat rate? 10rp per? |
| 08:23.39 | clad|away | it used to be 10rp per rune spent |
| 08:23.46 | clad|away | but that was alpha, i dont know what they've balanced it to now. |
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| 08:36.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: based on my just-now really-freaking-ad-hoc testing, it's 10rp for 1rune abilities, 15 rp for 2 rune abilities |
| 08:36.33 | NightHawkTheSane | modified by talents that adjust that, of course |
| 08:42.22 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, NightHawkTheSane, I've discovered the best way to watch Sliders... |
| 08:42.30 | Tornhoof | not to watch it? |
| 08:42.34 | Neuro_Medivh | first 5 minutes, then skip to the last 5 minutes |
| 08:42.41 | Tornhoof | hehe |
| 08:42.48 | Neuro_Medivh | cause everything else is horseshit =) |
| 08:42.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: haha |
| 08:42.54 | Tornhoof | that applies to many series |
| 08:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: like i said, you kind of have to embrace the cheesyness of it :) |
| 08:43.27 | Neuro_Medivh | I tried, NightHawkTheSane, I really did... but the Texas episode just broke me |
| 08:43.33 | NightHawkTheSane | heheh |
| 08:43.46 | Tornhoof | nah you need to embrace the cheesyness of quantum lapse or similar, but sliders is just bad |
| 08:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft, i like it. i'm under no illusions that it's high quality, mind you, but i like it. :) |
| 08:44.15 | Neuro_Medivh | the funny thing about Quantum Leap is that the final episode really redeemed a lot of the cheesiness of the series |
| 08:44.56 | Tornhoof | dunno i kinda stopped watching when he encountered the devil or whatever it was |
| 08:45.21 | Kirov | The last season of Quantum Leap starts to jump the shark a bit |
| 08:45.29 | Kirov | But yeah, the last episode is really masterful. |
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| 09:03.49 | Tornhoof | hmm, if i think about a branch of yata for wotlk, should i still do it on svn.wowace.com, on curseforge, on both or are they synced? |
| 09:04.06 | Tornhoof | guess that was the wrong chan ;) |
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| 09:39.30 | nevcairiel | clad|away: pong |
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| 10:07.20 | ZorbaTHut | tornhoof, depending on how much of your code is wotlk-specific, you might just make it a single unified plugin |
| 10:07.36 | ZorbaTHut | that's what I did with my plugin - there's half a dozen "hey am I running on wotlk" conditionals strewn throughout the code and that's it |
| 10:08.31 | foxlit | if wotlk then return; end |
| 10:08.49 | foxlit | ^^ And ship as separate files. Easier to maintain :) |
| 10:09.55 | ZorbaTHut | no easier to maintain when the structures that are version-specific largely don't get touched. it's the underlying code that's nasty, and that works identically on both platforms :) |
| 10:10.11 | ZorbaTHut | although I suspect my mod has one of the largest underlying-code-to-UI ratios |
| 10:10.35 | foxlit | Hey, some of my mods have no UI. |
| 10:10.52 | ZorbaTHut | okay, code-to-API then :) |
| 10:11.22 | ZorbaTHut | the API interface is pretty minimal. it's all just internal calculations |
| 10:14.49 | Tornhoof | thank zorbathut, that's not that simple, since it's basically a full rewrite (most of the secure header stuff changed, so i decided to rewrite the other code too) |
| 10:15.22 | ZorbaTHut | ah, yeah, that's a problem then :/ |
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| 10:50.40 | p3lim | Anyone here knows how to use git? |
| 10:51.08 | p3lim | getting this error: fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 10:51.20 | p3lim | trying to clone git://haste.ixo.no/oUF.git |
| 10:52.35 | haste | then you're cloning it wrong |
| 11:00.51 | p3lim | ok since youre here haste |
| 11:01.05 | p3lim | how do i properly get a fork up on github.com? |
| 11:01.38 | haste | no idea, never used github |
| 11:01.55 | p3lim | ok.. |
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| 11:14.07 | p3lim | gotta twiggle a bit with this today then :) |
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| 12:00.08 | ZorbaTHut | you should just be able to type "git clone git://blarg/etc.git" |
| 12:00.43 | ZorbaTHut | I just tried it and it worked, so |
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| 12:02.05 | Shirik | !reload |
| 12:02.06 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
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| 12:06.02 | Fisker- | Shirik halp |
| 12:06.06 | Fisker- | Shiibot is taking over |
| 12:06.16 | Shirik | I don't know what you're talking about |
| 12:06.18 | Shirik | I can't help you |
| 12:06.55 | Fisker- | SKYNET |
| 12:07.39 | foxlit | "CastSpellByName operates successfully from insecure code." |
| 12:08.00 | Fisker- | in b4 healbots? |
| 12:08.53 | Shirik | foxlit: Out of combat or always? |
| 12:09.04 | foxlit | More like Never, hence the coughing |
| 12:09.12 | nevcairiel | out of combat it works |
| 12:09.35 | nevcairiel | at least it used to |
| 12:09.39 | nevcairiel | after 2.0 release |
| 12:09.59 | foxlit | Um. Just so we're clear, I'm translating that as /run CastSpellByName("Foo") |
| 12:10.26 | nevcairiel | didnt really test it recently |
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| 12:11.34 | foxlit | You can't call it from insecure code, and you haven't been able to since 2.0 |
| 12:11.46 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 12:11.55 | foxlit | It'll fire ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED / MACRO_ACTION_BLOCKED if you actually pass it a valid spell |
| 12:12.54 | sylvanaar | lolwut |
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| 13:53.48 | zenzelezz | I find it odd that Amazon doesn't group their suggestions better... sending me an e-mail half-filled with computer coding books, half-filled with science fiction books just seems weird |
| 14:05.50 | Maldivia | hmm... |
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| 14:13.31 | zenzelezz | Shiibot fails |
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| 14:13.58 | wereHamster | who's t? |
| 14:14.07 | t | a member of freenode staff |
| 14:14.09 | Thrae | Your ircop savior. |
| 14:14.44 | Fisker- | Are you Mr. t |
| 14:14.50 | Fisker- | Not to be confused by Mr. T of course |
| 14:15.41 | Thrae | If his clienT has synTax highlighTing, iT sure musT be highlighTing a sTorm. |
| 14:16.07 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-r] by t |
| 14:16.19 | Fisker- | Only crappy clienTs actually highlighT each Time someThing conTaining their name is wriTTen |
| 14:16.30 | Thrae | Thank you for your help, t. |
| 14:16.37 | t | np |
| 14:17.30 | nevcairiel | Shirik your Shiibot obviously is useless =P |
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| 14:33.49 | Wobin | http://theawesomer.com/photos/092708_mcclane_t.jpg |
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| 14:37.21 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 14:37.21 | purl | ~pong |
| 14:37.52 | Atriace | Alright, I must be missing something, but I'm not getting an event for when a weapon enchant is being applied to a player's weapon. |
| 14:37.57 | Atriace | Can anyone confirm this? |
| 14:38.33 | zenzelezz | should be sending a combat log message at least |
| 14:38.37 | zenzelezz | IIRC |
| 14:38.54 | Atriace | That it does, but not UNIT_AURAS_CHANGED or something of that nature. |
| 14:39.08 | Atriace | Parsing combat log events is left-field. |
| 14:41.18 | zenzelezz | left-field? |
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| 14:46.57 | Atriace | Well... yeah. Considering all other buff events come from either PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED, or UNIT_AURA... having to search through COMBAT_LOG_EVENT to be notified of a buff change is so uncouth. |
| 14:47.24 | zenzelezz | I'm not arguing that, was just unfamiliar with the expression "left-field" in this case |
| 14:47.54 | Atriace | ah. For something to come "out of left-field" is a baseball reference. It just means "unexpected". |
| 14:48.23 | zenzelezz | aha :) |
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| 14:50.58 | steev | woot |
| 14:51.02 | treila | ok my nub butt hit a wall that i normally hit, just getting the onload statement to work (i don't understand how i always screw some little thing up) |
| 14:51.05 | treila | http://wowi.pastey.net/96829 |
| 14:51.11 | steev | atheros released their HAL ISC licensed |
| 14:51.15 | treila | that is the .toc .xml and part of the .lua |
| 14:51.49 | treila | any ideas what stupid detail i missed? |
| 14:51.59 | zenzelezz | Atriace: did you try to see where the default UI temporary enchant gets its info? Or is that just a timed call to GetTemporaryBuffs or whatever it's called? |
| 14:52.16 | zenzelezz | *temporary enchant frame |
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| 14:52.55 | Atriace | Mmm... well I looked at the code some time ago. I can fetch the info, but the trigger I don't know what it uses. |
| 14:52.55 | wereHamster | treila: what doesn't work? |
| 14:53.02 | treila | the mod isn't loading |
| 14:53.04 | Atriace | I guess I should check it. |
| 14:53.25 | treila | not getting the message saying it loaded, nor do the slash commands work |
| 14:53.46 | wereHamster | treila: did you restart wow after you create the addon? |
| 14:53.54 | treila | yeah a couple times |
| 14:54.12 | wereHamster | Does Logs/FrameXML.log show any errors related to your addon? |
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| 14:54.50 | treila | i did not even know about that log |
| 14:54.55 | treila | showing a "couldn't parse xml |
| 14:55.09 | wereHamster | <Ui ..> </ui> |
| 14:55.19 | wereHamster | Isn't XML case sensitive? |
| 14:55.24 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 14:55.43 | wereHamster | also, you might want to validate your xml against UI.xsd |
| 14:55.44 | treila | ok that fixed it |
| 14:56.05 | treila | thank you |
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| 15:35.50 | Tuller | i'm thinking there should maybe be a category for fubar/titan panel/data broker display addons, along with the plugin sections for each category, too |
| 15:36.43 | Industrial | I think tags would be useful |
| 15:37.08 | Industrial | as long as peopler dont use it retardedly |
| 15:37.10 | Industrial | -r |
| 15:37.20 | zenzelezz | I think "could" is a safer word than "would", but I agree |
| 15:37.52 | Tuller | tags are evil, more or less :P |
| 15:37.55 | Industrial | theres always dumb people tagging things with "industrials_favorite!" etc. |
| 15:38.09 | foxlit | filter them, np |
| 15:38.15 | foxlit | Besides, why the heck not? :) |
| 15:38.17 | Industrial | tags are very useful for categorizing content as long as you hold a standard |
| 15:38.19 | Tuller | perhaps a "most popular tags" section |
| 15:38.33 | Tuller | but probably a set list of tags |
| 15:38.53 | Tuller | maybe a "user defined tag" thing too, but that should be admin reviewable |
| 15:39.14 | foxlit | The minute you require admin interactions for a tagging categorization system, you lose the appeal it originally had |
| 15:39.16 | Industrial | search for tag oUF and plugin or oUF and layout and you get different (correct) answers but they have the same naming scheme (layout and plugins are all named oUF_*) |
| 15:41.06 | foxlit | Meta-tag the tag as to provide its source and purpose, so you can filter for tags that describe people's personal lists, the author's addon description and so on. |
| 15:42.22 | Industrial | meh, you can provide default required tags like category:X or class:X or something |
| 15:42.40 | foxlit | But the problem is, you can't think of every tag that should exist |
| 15:43.10 | Industrial | thats why the users tag stuff |
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| 15:43.21 | Industrial | and you can always add/edit tags |
| 15:43.38 | foxlit | I'm just objecting to the word "required" :) |
| 15:44.18 | Tuller | so I guess the base thing we agree to is things can belong to multiple categories :P |
| 15:44.32 | Industrial | right |
| 15:44.50 | Tuller | actionbar, action bar, action bars |
| 15:45.36 | Tuller | bars |
| 15:45.48 | Tuller | that's why user tags probably suck :P |
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| 15:46.42 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 15:48.10 | Tuller | obviously you can ask the user "did you mean X?" |
| 15:48.52 | Industrial | or like I said provide defaults with an interface that lets you pick a tag OR specify a new tag (like gmail tags) |
| 15:49.07 | Tuller | right |
| 15:49.24 | Tuller | that's what I said too, except I suggested admin approval for new tags :P |
| 15:50.02 | Tuller | "sucks, awesome, poop, thisaddonwastaggedbybbodole" |
| 15:50.10 | Industrial | I think you can rely on the community for keeping it clean |
| 15:50.30 | Industrial | at least, I will be complaining about stuff when I find it (do I ever not?) |
| 15:50.31 | Tuller | via rankings? |
| 15:50.38 | Industrial | nah just when I see it |
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| 15:54.24 | Cide | if it isn't easy enough to complain, people won't |
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| 15:54.37 | Cide | unless the issue is big enough, of course |
| 15:55.03 | Cide | which, when it comes to improperly tagged items, it isn't |
| 15:55.34 | Cide | so yeah, it has to be easy to fix it or people won't bother |
| 15:58.59 | ckknight | howdy, all |
| 15:59.49 | Fisker- | Do you have any user problems on curse? |
| 16:00.58 | ckknight | what do you mean by that? |
| 16:01.24 | Fisker- | All of my userpages just give me a page "User does not exist" |
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| 16:02.44 | Fisker- | great >:3 |
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| 16:02.52 | Fisker- | t my friend |
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| 16:03.43 | Cide | haha |
| 16:03.45 | Cide | they win |
| 16:03.59 | Cide | they beat Shiibot |
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| 16:08.09 | nevcairiel | yeah Shiibot is a failure today =P |
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| 16:15.42 | Atriace | When reading combat event args, are they read as "arg2" or "arg2 (combatevent)"? |
| 16:16.45 | zenzelezz | not sure I understood that question |
| 16:17.20 | nevcairiel | not sure that question is valid |
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| 16:18.26 | Atriace | http://www.atriace.com/media/args.jpg |
| 16:19.00 | zenzelezz | you mean whether you use "arg2" or "combatevent" to access them? |
| 16:19.07 | nevcairiel | thats only an explanation added by devtools |
| 16:19.09 | Atriace | basicly |
| 16:19.32 | nevcairiel | tbh, you really shouldnt use arg2 anyway |
| 16:19.33 | Atriace | alright, so it should still be just "argX" |
| 16:19.52 | Atriace | what would you suggest, Nev? |
| 16:20.33 | nevcairiel | name them properly |
| 16:21.05 | nevcairiel | OnEvent(self, event, timestamp, combatEvent, sourceGUID, sourceName, ................) |
| 16:21.31 | zenzelezz | can't COMBAT_LOG_EVENT have a variable number of parameters depending on the actual message? |
| 16:21.37 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 16:21.43 | nevcairiel | but the first 8 or so are always the same |
| 16:21.51 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 16:22.14 | Atriace | Ah, well, that would matter if I was passing OnEvent from my frame as a predefined list of args, but I'm using a straight passthrough. The args are generic since I'm using the same ones for a number of events (30'ish, I think) |
| 16:22.31 | nevcairiel | using arg1-argX is still wrong |
| 16:22.41 | nevcairiel | but wat-eva :) |
| 16:24.42 | nevcairiel | Use ... then, var args ftw |
| 16:24.47 | Atriace | well... I think it'd look pretty funky when using UNIT_SPELLCAST_START if you called arg3 "timestamp" when it actually refered to the spell rank. I'm not sure how you would avoid that. |
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| 16:25.09 | Atriace | apart from leaving them as generic argX |
| 16:25.29 | smcn | arg1 = ({...})[1] |
| 16:26.11 | nevcairiel | buy the wow programming book, imho |
| 16:28.14 | nevcairiel | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96834 |
| 16:28.59 | kryps | man, looks like newb ASP to me. :/ |
| 16:29.06 | Atriace | dang, that looks lovely. |
| 16:29.43 | zenzelezz | "Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger" -- I love this quote |
| 16:30.16 | Atriace | I didn't know about "...", this is great. Thanks guys. :) |
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| 16:33.42 | Tuller | note to self: when brushing teeth, do not stab jaw |
| 16:34.47 | zenzelezz | I'd say simply don't stab your jaw at all |
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| 16:36.08 | smcn | try not to catch stinger with face, it not work well |
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| 16:44.31 | Fisker- | Anyone know what the difference in a Samsung T220 and 226BW is? |
| 16:44.34 | Fisker- | Other than the design that is |
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| 16:46.41 | Tuller | check the panel type, perhaps? |
| 16:47.42 | Fogger | it seems the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME is not available at ADDON_LOADED or VARIABLES_LOADED, is there an event that fires after DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME is created? |
| 16:48.23 | Tuller | higher contrast ratio on the t220 |
| 16:48.43 | Tuller | slightly better viewing angle specs |
| 16:49.13 | Tuller | (thanks, google!) |
| 16:49.47 | Fisker- | Well |
| 16:49.53 | Fisker- | Same price, so i'll go for the T220 :P |
| 16:50.03 | Fisker- | 226BW seems to be reaching it's EOL anyways |
| 16:50.06 | Tuller | t220 is the newer model, basically |
| 16:50.21 | Fogger | T220 sounds cooler than 226BW :P |
| 16:50.35 | Tuller | I have the lg equivalent of the 226, so you cannot really go wrong either way |
| 16:51.59 | digmouse | T220 is wonderful |
| 16:52.00 | Tuller | unless you're a person who does graphics, probably |
| 16:52.04 | Fisker- | omgawd |
| 16:52.08 | Fisker- | The unique SoftPower off function lets you put the T220 in standby mode right away, using just 0.3W of power. |
| 16:52.14 | Fisker- | I can put it in standby RIGHT AWAY |
| 16:52.15 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 16:52.24 | Fisker- | previously unseen! |
| 16:52.24 | digmouse | my friend bought one last week |
| 16:52.25 | Fisker- | :D |
| 16:52.34 | digmouse | it's fantastic |
| 16:54.11 | treila | Just curious, do you guys think there is a need for a mod that will let you announce that you are getting jumped (on a pvp server) and if someone is within yell range they get a minimap ping of where you are? |
| 16:54.33 | Fisker- | Mods aren't allowed to ping the minimap anymore i think |
| 16:54.36 | treila | i was originally making it for my guild, but they just all pissed me off...and the thought of them getting camp is cheering me up |
| 16:54.43 | Fisker- | Or else it was that you can't cast using the minimap pings anymore |
| 16:54.50 | treila | yeah that second one |
| 16:54.54 | treila | can't cast with the minimap ping |
| 16:55.04 | Fisker- | kinda sadpanda |
| 16:55.13 | Fisker- | Should rather make it so mods couldn't ping |
| 16:55.21 | treila | why? |
| 16:55.26 | treila | what's wrong with pinging |
| 16:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | I doubt you could ping the minimap of anyone you weren't in party with or didn't have the mod, etc... |
| 16:55.42 | Fisker- | I just meant it seems to be useful to use the minimap for casting aoe spells |
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| 17:04.05 | digmouse | is there a optimized Bejewelled available? feeling pain to read through its code |
| 17:07.57 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I'm working on that issue |
| 17:08.10 | Shirik | It's hard when I'm kinda in detroit |
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| 17:10.26 | treila | well lopeppy, i just have it note the player position calling for help, translate it to not be so spammy on the /yell |
| 17:10.52 | treila | then i have the person monitoring the /yells he recieves and it would compare that person's location to yours and ping the minimap in the direction to go |
| 17:11.20 | treila | so yeah the only people who would get pings are those with the mod |
| 17:11.59 | treila | but if half the alliance are in your guild, the odds of your people being nearby (for my server at least) are good |
| 17:16.10 | treila | though it'll be hard figuring out the math to make the pings look right |
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| 17:17.40 | Fisker- | btw digmouse |
| 17:17.46 | Fisker- | your friend can pivot his T220 can he? |
| 17:17.50 | digmouse | nah? |
| 17:18.04 | Fisker- | I just saw an review which said it could :P |
| 17:18.15 | Fisker- | Which looked kinda weird given the ~5CM clearance or so |
| 17:18.19 | Fisker- | :D |
| 17:18.29 | digmouse | I didnt notice that |
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| 17:21.05 | Shirik | thanks t |
| 17:21.39 | Gnarfoz | shiibot not yet join spam compatible? |
| 17:21.40 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 17:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | he tries to test it earlier |
| 17:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently it is not |
| 17:23.02 | Shirik | I thought it was, but I really have limited time |
| 17:23.15 | Shirik | My schedule is extremely packed this week as I'm at a conerence in destroit |
| 17:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | Which makes you spel gud too. :P |
| 17:24.27 | Shirik | I'm trying to watch this presentation so not even looking at hte screen while I type |
| 17:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* You're a peach. |
| 17:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532593531&sid=1 |
| 17:26.00 | ScytheBlade1 | This thread is so much win |
| 17:27.02 | Shirik | haha, I fail |
| 17:28.20 | Industrial | man, theres some thinfs I really dont like about chrome |
| 17:28.31 | Shirik | !reload |
| 17:28.31 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 17:29.13 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 17:29.46 | Shirik | oh nice |
| 17:29.51 | Shirik | !!! Locking nil |
| 17:29.51 | Shirik | /usr/bin/lua: ./core.lua:100: attempt to concatenate local 'chan' (a nil value) |
| 17:30.27 | Fisker- | Shirik got owned |
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| 17:33.41 | Shirik | something really strange going on |
| 17:34.17 | digmouse | if an author set me as a team member in his WOWI SVN, that means I can commit to it with my SVN login info? |
| 17:34.57 | Gnarfoz | that'd make sense to me |
| 17:35.39 | digmouse | Acapela set me as team member of the new Aloft but I can commit to it since I got password incorrect |
| 17:36.28 | digmouse | s/can/cant/ |
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| 17:37.10 | Lopeppeppy | Pester the nice Acapela again for the right password, I'd assume to be your next step. |
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| 17:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk: is IgnoreMore still supported? |
| 17:37.53 | digmouse | right password? isnt it that I can commit with my SVN login info? |
| 17:38.40 | Kajas | I was curious, is there a way to verify the type of a variable? Say I pass variable "kay" in a function and I want to ensure it's a table before I do anything.. how would I check it? |
| 17:39.38 | Tornhoof | istable i think |
| 17:39.43 | Tornhoof | atleast there is isnumber |
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| 17:41.37 | Shirik | well, we'll see if thsi works. I can't easily test this |
| 17:41.39 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 17:42.10 | Shirik | hopefully he's not too sensitive or anything |
| 17:46.19 | Mikk | ScytheBlade1: It will be. But it wouldn't surprise me if it just works out of the box. |
| 17:46.57 | Shirik | !reload |
| 17:46.57 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 17:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk: okay, that's what I was thinking too. I just linked it to someone and noticed that it had been a while since it was last updated, hence the question |
| 17:47.30 | Mikk | Aye, I'm lazy and cba to update tocs when everything works |
| 17:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Just making sure |
| 17:47.42 | Mikk | Couldn't play a day without it =) |
| 17:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
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| 17:50.18 | Neuro_Medivh | =( Cool Hand Luke |
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| 18:14.34 | Duman | hmm |
| 18:16.59 | Tornhoof | is it possible to overwrite a previously set postbody in a WrapScript? |
| 18:19.48 | Iriel | Yes and no.. |
| 18:20.06 | Iriel | I made sure there's sufficient data returned by UnrwrapScript to let you write an unwrap-and-replace |
| 18:21.19 | Tornhoof | so i call unwrapscript and then wrapscript again? |
| 18:22.10 | Iriel | Yes.. |
| 18:22.21 | Iriel | though since you can nest wraps it's not really safe to assume yours is the last |
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| 18:23.31 | Tornhoof | so it's better to use some attribute and do if-cases in the body? to enable specific functionality? |
| 18:23.52 | Iriel | Or you can just use variables in the header scope |
| 18:24.54 | krka | what's a WrapScript? |
| 18:25.05 | Kajas | hmm.. istable() didn't work.. anyone else have any idea how to check if a variable is a table? |
| 18:25.13 | krka | type(t) == "table" |
| 18:25.28 | Kajas | Lua 5.1 online manual mentions lua_istable.. but the file throws an error for both lua_istable and istable |
| 18:25.37 | Tornhoof | iriel, thanks, unwrapscripts works now |
| 18:26.06 | Iriel | lua_istable is a C function |
| 18:26.15 | Tornhoof | wrapscript is a very nifty way to do onclick, onshow pre/post events which do "secure button" stuff |
| 18:26.16 | Iriel | for people integrating on the C side of the API |
| 18:26.32 | Kajas | Thanks krka, works :) |
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| 18:33.19 | Wraanger | question : what is wrong with the code ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96847 ... global channels should be removed from ChatFrame1, but they stays there (((( |
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| 19:00.25 | Dewin | Is there a way to get a list of all events registered to a frame? |
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| 19:07.40 | Kaso | Dewin, no, the closest you can do is hook the frame's OnEvent and see what you get |
| 19:08.04 | Kaso | that'll probally let you work out what it has registered, but not guaranteed to see all |
| 19:08.43 | Kaso | I had this issue a while back when i wrote a fake-event script, it had the limitation that the frame had to receive at least one real event of that type before you could properly fake it |
| 19:09.42 | nevcairiel | You could grab a list of all events and do IsEventRegistered |
| 19:09.54 | Kaso | ooh wait? they added that? |
| 19:10.39 | Kaso | When did iseventregistered arrive? |
| 19:10.43 | nevcairiel | I dunno |
| 19:11.00 | nevcairiel | 2.3 i thnk |
| 19:11.12 | Kaso | Man, how did i miss that |
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| 19:14.27 | Syzgyn | I just got to spend half an hour waiting in line to buy gas at $4.27 :( |
| 19:14.39 | nevcairiel | wut? |
| 19:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yowch. |
| 19:15.10 | nevcairiel | us economy breaking down? =P |
| 19:15.24 | Syzgyn | There's like, 5 stations around that even have gas |
| 19:15.39 | Lopeppeppy | Down south where things are still messed up from the hurricane, yes, very messed up still |
| 19:15.44 | Syzgyn | Yeap |
| 19:16.16 | Syzgyn | Supposedly GA gets some special grade of gas because our pollution is bad or something? |
| 19:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | State laws and what not, so maybe |
| 19:16.52 | Syzgyn | I suppose |
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| 19:18.00 | Syzgyn | I made the mistake of giving my aunt my email address this morning |
| 19:18.22 | Syzgyn | in 3 hours she's sent me 6 different funny email things |
| 19:18.36 | Cuvie | is there any tool available for when updating a ui mod that would tell you where it' broken with respect to the current api? |
| 19:18.38 | cbreak | you should rent a server with your own domain name, you can make new e-mail addresses for everyone :) |
| 19:19.01 | Syzgyn | cbreak: I have one :P |
| 19:19.07 | Kaso | That'd be nice Ci |
| 19:19.11 | Kaso | Cuvie |
| 19:19.14 | Lopeppeppy | Syzgyn, relatives are just like that. Either love them, or add them to your spam filter. :) |
| 19:19.32 | Syzgyn | I'm adding a gmail filter now to mark em read :P |
| 19:19.32 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:20.16 | cbreak | hmm... you could write a script that repiles with a randomly selected page form digg |
| 19:20.23 | cbreak | to pretend you read it |
| 19:20.33 | cbreak | hmm... could be risky though. |
| 19:20.36 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 19:20.39 | Syzgyn | Thats a bad idea |
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| 19:24.31 | schnoggo | anyone logged on Northrend and avail to group so I can test some group functions? |
| 19:25.59 | foxlit | Hrm, I'm pondering if I can actually write a windows driver for my apple usb keyboard |
| 19:26.31 | Lopeppeppy | Why? |
| 19:26.44 | foxlit | special keys |
| 19:26.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. *nod* |
| 19:45.23 | Kaso | is it worth writing a driver for F13-16? |
| 19:45.27 | Kaso | what other keys dont work? |
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| 19:46.54 | alestane | Alt and Windows are probably backwards what you expect. |
| 19:46.57 | Tekkub | F13-16 need a driver? |
| 19:47.20 | Tekkub | F1-24 were keyboard standard I thought, even though most boards only have 1-12 |
| 19:48.02 | Adys | f13-15 are printscreen, stscr and pause or whatever it is in english |
| 19:48.35 | Adys | at least on my old imac keyboard |
| 19:48.40 | Adys | f16-24 no idea |
| 19:48.51 | Dewin | <-- had a keyboard that had F1-F20 on it once a looong time ago |
| 19:48.55 | Tekkub | nah, cause I have AHK remapping some things to F13+ and then bound that in foobar, and prtscrn/etc don't trigger that |
| 19:49.07 | Adys | Weird |
| 19:49.08 | Dewin | it also had a 'Compose' key |
| 19:49.42 | Tekkub | silly macs not wanting to hae a "normal" keyboard |
| 19:51.06 | alestane | The Cmd key is usually also marked with an open-apple. |
| 19:51.40 | Adys | isnt cmd mapped to the same key as the super key on windows keyboards? |
| 19:51.48 | Adys | s/keyboards/layouts/ |
| 19:52.16 | Tekkub | "super key"? |
| 19:52.21 | Adys | windows key |
| 19:52.24 | Adys | however you call it |
| 19:52.34 | alestane | The Windows key or whatever you want to call it. But on an apple it's right next to the space bar like Alt would be. |
| 19:52.37 | Tekkub | they call it the windows key |
| 19:52.51 | Atriace | Windows -> Option, Alt -> CMD |
| 19:52.52 | foxlit | Kaso: -F19; I'd probably want to remap apple and ctrl; volume/media keys should probably do things, too. |
| 19:53.00 | Tekkub | MS tried to rename it the "pearl" with Vista and noone would call it something so stupid |
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| 19:53.18 | foxlit | Though I suspect that's a user mode thing registering those. |
| 19:53.24 | Corrodias | pearl? the winkey? |
| 19:53.37 | Tekkub | The Pearl (caps are important) |
| 19:53.43 | Tekkub | retarded eh? |
| 19:53.51 | Corrodias | of course, and it makes perfect sense |
| 19:53.52 | Adys | a bad wordplay between a tasteless fruit and a tasteless language? |
| 19:54.05 | Corrodias | Vista is all about making changes, even (or especially) if they're retarded ones |
| 19:54.07 | Kaso | Ive gotten too used to the apple/ctrl location, i like it now |
| 19:54.18 | Tekkub | pearls are fruit? |
| 19:54.41 | Dewin | If you're a gemivore? |
| 19:54.43 | Kaso | and the idea keys worked for me, i do have the previous generation of keyboard and am using linux so that could be something to do with it |
| 19:55.11 | foxlit | Kaso: mm, but then you probably don't spend most of your time on a mac with a mac keyboard :) |
| 19:55.12 | Adys | I'm annoyed |
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| 19:55.34 | Adys | over the few last years I got used to the alt/ctrl windows positions |
| 19:55.42 | foxlit | Problem is, I keep hitting Windows-[ARCVX] instead of ctrl |
| 19:55.43 | Adys | always wanted to switch them |
| 19:56.04 | Tekkub | there's keyboard hacks out there you could use |
| 19:56.12 | Tekkub | AHK might be able to remap em also |
| 19:56.21 | Tekkub | AHK >> God |
| 19:56.21 | Adys | I can switch them now |
| 19:56.26 | Adys | not a problem |
| 19:56.30 | Adys | I just got too used to it |
| 19:56.36 | kd3 | sigh |
| 19:56.44 | kd3 | getting a little too used to beating the NPCs back to the world server |
| 19:56.55 | Kaso | heh |
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| 19:59.09 | treila | quick question, couldn't find it in the wowwiki api, is there a unitresilience (or is it hidden inside of the functions already listed?) |
| 19:59.50 | foxlit | Probably generic rating functions |
| 20:01.27 | foxlit | Try GetCombatRating(15) |
| 20:01.29 | Kaso | what you should do is look how resilience is displayed on the default Charater Frame code |
| 20:02.13 | treila | well does that only tell you YOUR resilience rating? or can you use that command to acquire your targets? |
| 20:02.31 | foxlit | You can't do that to your targets |
| 20:02.40 | treila | ok |
| 20:03.07 | foxlit | (you'd have to use the inspection UI and tooltip scanning, and that probably won't work when you'd like it to) |
| 20:03.59 | Dewin | I really hate SciTE sometimes. |
| 20:04.12 | Dewin | I used the word 'down' in a comment and now every time I try to type 'do' it helpfully wants to convert it to 'down' |
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| 20:46.01 | Atriace | Alright, I'm running into an error I didn't have before... |
| 20:46.32 | Atriace | For some reason, I can't use UnitIsPlayerControlled on a player that isn't near me (ie., a partymember somewhere off in the world of warcraft) |
| 20:46.41 | Atriace | It just returns nil. |
| 20:47.21 | Atriace | Did I miss a patch change? This used to work. |
| 20:48.04 | Tekkub | if it's a party member, why do you need to call that? |
| 20:48.47 | Atriace | Because it's not necessarily a party member. It's always just going to be your target, but that can be anybody; raid member or otherwise. |
| 20:48.48 | Dewin | If a player isn't near you it's not likely you're controlling them (with, say, mind control) is it? |
| 20:49.00 | Dewin | Assuming that's what the function does |
| 20:49.40 | Tekkub | that's not what UnitIsPlayerControlled does Dewin |
| 20:49.46 | Dewin | was a wild guess |
| 20:50.06 | Tekkub | it's to determine if the unit is controlled by a player, I.E. it's a PC or a pet |
| 20:50.09 | Iriel | It's quite normal for the unit functions to return nil values when UnitIsVisble returns false |
| 20:50.16 | Iriel | i.e. the unit is outside of the range that the client keeps track of it |
| 20:51.18 | Atriace | boo |
| 20:52.27 | Iriel | The question is, what are you trying to discover about a unit that's that far away |
| 20:52.56 | Tekkub | probably something UF-ey, you can target party members even if they're nowhere nearby |
| 20:53.16 | Dewin | Is there an easier way to check to see if the mouse is in the current frame than watching OnEnter/OnLeave? |
| 20:53.20 | Iriel | You'd use UnitIsPlayer for that tho |
| 20:53.28 | Atriace | ooo |
| 20:53.30 | Iriel | Dewin: does the frame have focus? |
| 20:53.33 | Tekkub | Dewin, easier, no |
| 20:54.01 | Dewin | Iriel: No, it's just showy stuff to bring the frame to full alpha if the mouse is over it and fade back to 'normal' if it's not |
| 20:54.23 | Tekkub | just do your fade in the enter/leave |
| 20:54.23 | Iriel | Dewin: Oh, that's essentially what OnEnter/OnLeave are for |
| 20:55.11 | Dewin | Tekkub: I would, except there's a lot more to that (there's actually 4 different levels of alpha, but mouse being present should override the other three) where it makes more sense to do it there |
| 20:55.20 | Atriace | Iriel: the right function for the right job. Thanks, UnitIsPlayer did it. |
| 20:55.32 | Iriel | You should still use OnEnter/OnLeave to set the flag that indicates which alpha to use |
| 20:55.39 | Iriel | then have your OnUpdate fader use the value |
| 20:55.41 | Dewin | Irle; And since I just now noticed that you're here (because my client bolds people who say my name and I wasn't paying attention earlier)... do you have a fixed PopupActions by chance? <3 the addon, it's exactly what I've been looking for since I came back to WoW. |
| 20:55.45 | Dewin | Iriel*: wow |
| 20:55.48 | Dewin | I can spell. |
| 20:55.57 | Iriel | Dewin: I think I posted it on wowi |
| 20:56.05 | Iriel | Dewin: If the one there doesn't work i'll upload a new one |
| 20:56.50 | Dewin | the aug 21st one I see there throws an error every time I log in, besides that it works fine. |
| 20:57.14 | Dewin | Is there a better place to get your addons? I saw that there was a non-WOTLK version but couldn't find it anywhere. |
| 20:57.39 | Iriel | Dewin: I primarily use wowi |
| 20:57.56 | Iriel | Let me upload my most recent one |
| 20:58.18 | Dewin | Thanks :) |
| 20:59.33 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=10158 |
| 21:00.06 | Dewin | thanks! *gives Iriel cookies* |
| 21:00.20 | Iriel | If it doesn't work right let me know and i'll fix it |
| 21:00.54 | Dewin | I'm not on right now, I'm refactoring my addon (now that I know what the heck I'm doing I decided it'd be best to split it into multiple files and /reloadui doesn't catch TOC changes soo...) |
| 21:00.58 | Dewin | but I'll let you know later |
| 21:01.16 | Iriel | A PM on wowi usually works, |
| 21:01.27 | Dewin | Alright. |
| 21:01.41 | Iriel | I can't play without popup actions anymore (at least, not my warlock) |
| 21:01.43 | Dewin | I always figured I'd just catch you in channel, except whenever I thought about it you weren't here. |
| 21:01.49 | Iriel | so it's generally high on my priority list. |
| 21:02.14 | Dewin | Back in Wow-1.x I wrote a patch for Flexbar to allow similiar functionality. |
| 21:02.31 | Dewin | Used it on my hunter to change my mainbar to a traps/tracking bar that reverted back after one action |
| 21:02.36 | Dewin | of course, Flexbar is now dead. |
| 21:02.50 | Corrodias | what's this popupactions do? |
| 21:02.51 | Iriel | Maybe someone will try it again with the new secure handlers stuff 8-) |
| 21:03.15 | Iriel | Corrodias: It exposes the later action bars as 'popups', press a key to pop the bar open, then 0-9 to trigger the action |
| 21:03.17 | Iriel | then the bar hides |
| 21:03.28 | Iriel | (You can press and hold the activation key and do multiple actions before releasing too) |
| 21:03.31 | Corrodias | ah.. hm. |
| 21:03.38 | Iriel | I use it for curses and summons |
| 21:03.40 | Dewin | Iriel: really? I didn't know that part |
| 21:03.44 | Corrodias | sounds nice |
| 21:03.58 | Iriel | (and on my hunter, for traps) |
| 21:04.04 | Dewin | That's exactly what I use it for |
| 21:04.09 | Dewin | Ctrl+T(rap) |
| 21:04.25 | Iriel | I tend to use G,J,Y for my popup keys |
| 21:04.26 | Dewin | and a couple aspects I very rarely use |
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| 21:04.53 | Dewin | I'd like to get a esdf setup at some point |
| 21:05.26 | Dewin | I have a split keyboard though, so J and Y are kind of a far reach if my right hand's on the mouse |
| 21:05.58 | Iriel | Ah, I can't use those, they feel so strange |
| 21:05.59 | Neuro_Medivh | I never could get used to a split keyboard |
| 21:06.15 | Iriel | I <3 My mac aluminum keyboard and my G5 |
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| 21:06.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i used to use one at work, it was always awkward switching between that and a normal keyboard at home |
| 21:06.47 | Iriel | I meant G15, (but I <3 my G5 too) |
| 21:06.49 | Dewin | They're great for normal typing, not so great for gaming |
| 21:06.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Iriel, is that one of those mac keyboards that is almost nothing? |
| 21:07.07 | Iriel | Neuro_Medivh: Yeah, the really flat ones |
| 21:07.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: wired, or wireless? |
| 21:07.21 | Dewin | And I couldn't find any keyboards that had the right 'feel' besides this one when I last replaced keyboards |
| 21:07.22 | Iriel | Neuro_Medivh: I got one at work with my workstation, and ended up caving and getting one for home. |
| 21:07.24 | Atriace | Iriel: ditto. It was weird looking for "ultimate" keybaords online and realizing the aluminum one Apple made was the most minimalistic/unique keyboards of its kind. |
| 21:07.31 | schnoggo | nostromo + Kinesis Contour |
| 21:07.32 | Neuro_Medivh | A friend of mine bought a mac recently, the keyboard was this almost nonexistant thing that was TINY |
| 21:07.45 | Dewin | <-- is serious about his keyboards, spent 2 hours at 4 different stores before he found the one he wanted |
| 21:07.48 | Iriel | I have the wired one (the wireless one is way sexy, my wife has one, but it's missing the keypad which I dont like) |
| 21:07.57 | Corrodias | i use this generic logitech thing with a volume knob at the top, which is a requirement for me these days |
| 21:08.16 | Dewin | Mine's a MS keyboard, I think I win for 'generic' |
| 21:08.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Dewin, everyone should be. Keyboard and Mouse are the two things you interact with the most, so they should be the parts you spend the most time on |
| 21:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i've been looking at getting the wired one, just because i've heard great things about it |
| 21:08.31 | Dewin | I don't see the allure of wireless keyboards |
| 21:08.40 | foxlit | They're easier to move around the desk |
| 21:08.47 | Corrodias | apparently, it's walking away from your computer to type on the couch |
| 21:08.52 | Iriel | Dewin: There are some configurations in which they're handy, but none of the decent wireless KB's seem to be recharchable |
| 21:08.53 | Corrodias | they come with binoculars so you can see your screen |
| 21:08.57 | Atriace | Just my 2 cents: http://www.roccat.org/home/ (might be the best new gaming keyboards in the market) |
| 21:08.57 | Dewin | The only space I have on my desk for a keyboard is where my keyboard currently is. |
| 21:09.02 | Iriel | which IMHO makes them seriously less helpful than wireless mice |
| 21:09.03 | bleeter | easier to chase people around the office and hit them over the head with a wireless keyboard.... wired, you get about 5 yars and your weapon snaps back. |
| 21:09.11 | Dewin | now that I finally had a reason to buy a wireless mouse (was going to be used for the laptop) I love it, but I can't see the need for wireless keyboard on a regular PC :) |
| 21:09.29 | Iriel | I've found the G15 to be a very comfortable keyboard for gaming AND for development. |
| 21:09.37 | Dewin | I might try one. |
| 21:09.41 | Dewin | How do the keys feel? |
| 21:09.45 | Corrodias | Atriace: that is a mouse, not a keyboard |
| 21:09.49 | Iriel | Though I spent most of my time on the earlier one (bigger flippy screen) than the new one (smaller, with red) |
| 21:10.00 | Atriace | Check the whole website: Corrodias. They sell keyboard and mouse |
| 21:10.05 | Atriace | http://www.roccat.org/Products/Products/ROCCAT-Valo/ |
| 21:10.10 | Atriace | http://www.roccat.org/Products/Products/ROCCAT-Kone/ |
| 21:10.17 | cbreak | I might be strange, but I like the new Apple keyboards a lot. They feel like a laptop keyboard |
| 21:10.18 | Corrodias | ah, that's what you meant to link there |
| 21:10.26 | cbreak | good for fast typing |
| 21:10.32 | Atriace | Sorry about the mental gap. hehe |
| 21:10.37 | Iriel | Dewin: I'm not very good at objectively describing a key's feel unless it's freakish.. Maybe find one in a store |
| 21:11.14 | Corrodias | macros can be useful... not sure i'd use a keyboard microphone for anything. lighted keys are only a distraction as far as i can tell |
| 21:11.19 | Neuro_Medivh | I have yet to find a mouse better than the Logitech MX 518, as far as price vs performance |
| 21:11.26 | Iriel | I quite like lighted keys |
| 21:11.32 | Iriel | but then I like the room dark |
| 21:11.44 | Dewin | Iriel: Hmm. Good point. |
| 21:11.46 | Iriel | Neuro_Medivh: I'm a big fan of the G5 for gaming, I like the weighting |
| 21:11.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i will seriously cry when my mx 510 finally goes |
| 21:11.58 | cbreak | http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ :) |
| 21:12.00 | foxlit | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=084 |
| 21:12.10 | Corrodias | i don't know if i'm just a bad gamer or what, but my favorite mouse is a generic Logitech mouse. what's nice about the bigger ones? |
| 21:12.12 | Atriace | The main reason I'd like the Valo over the Mac Aluminum I have is the extra function keys. It's the one drawback why I don't use mine for gaming (gotta hold the function key to hit them). |
| 21:12.21 | foxlit | ^ I don't want another mouse. |
| 21:12.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, I just like the programmable buttons |
| 21:12.30 | foxlit | The apple keyboard is, however, awesome. |
| 21:12.35 | Corrodias | ah, more buttons |
| 21:12.37 | foxlit | I just need a working driver for it :/ |
| 21:12.43 | cbreak | Atriace: you can switch that |
| 21:12.44 | Atriace | hehe |
| 21:12.49 | cbreak | at least on a mac |
| 21:12.52 | Dewin | I remember when I had to buy a "CHEAP USB KEYBOARD" (this is actually what the item name was on the invoice!) because I had two Dell Poweredge 2650s sitting in my house temporarily and no USB keyboards... it was horrid to type on. |
| 21:13.10 | Dewin | As in... it took a lot of force just to push the keys |
| 21:13.12 | Atriace | cbreak: Yeah, I know... but then you have to hold the function key to hit the volume buttons. >_< |
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| 21:13.20 | cbreak | indeed. :) |
| 21:13.32 | NightHawkTheSane | if you use optical audio, you dont :p |
| 21:14.02 | Corrodias | that microsoft mouse is pretty cute, but for $90? heheh :) out of my range |
| 21:14.10 | Atriace | Mmm... audio. Razer Mako <3 |
| 21:14.14 | cbreak | I thought about this once: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba/ |
| 21:14.19 | cbreak | it's very flexible |
| 21:14.29 | Iriel | cbreak: I have one of those |
| 21:14.32 | Iriel | cbreak: It's cool but... |
| 21:14.33 | Atriace | lol |
| 21:14.35 | cbreak | how does it work? |
| 21:14.40 | Atriace | wow, that's unieuq |
| 21:14.45 | Atriace | unique* |
| 21:14.48 | Corrodias | why would you want it in any configuration but the regular querty/dvorak? |
| 21:14.59 | foxlit | Corrodias: music! |
| 21:15.13 | cbreak | Dance Dance Revolution? :) |
| 21:15.17 | Iriel | I used it when I played BF2 and needed LOTS of things very close to my movement controls |
| 21:15.39 | Iriel | They keys are quite comfortable and responsive, and the layout flexibility is certainly unique |
| 21:15.56 | Iriel | It does take a fair bit of desk real-estate |
| 21:16.42 | bleeter | mm $1600 http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/9836/ |
| 21:16.54 | cbreak | how do the keys communicate with the keyboard? Some kind of near field radio? |
| 21:17.04 | foxlit | thinkgeek, mm! |
| 21:17.04 | Iriel | cbreak: yeah, sort of an RFID'ish thing |
| 21:17.05 | foxlit | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/a12d/ |
| 21:17.11 | Thrae | In WoW, I used W,S,Q,E with X,1,2,3,4,5,A,D,R,V,F,Z,C and a 5-button mouse. |
| 21:17.24 | Iriel | cbreak: There are 50 available key ID's (IIRC) |
| 21:17.46 | Iriel | cbreak: and the bad is basically a low powered radio feedback device |
| 21:18.09 | cbreak | nice. Always warm hands. :) |
| 21:18.16 | Iriel | I need to see if there are mac drivers actually, it can think of some handy uses for it here |
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| 21:19.47 | Iriel | cbreak: http://ergodex.hydraproductions.com/wiki/what_s_inside_an_ergodex_dx1 |
| 21:20.59 | kd3 | rah! why do I always have to turn in a quest where the NPC say something after the fact a second before the server crashes? |
| 21:22.43 | cbreak | looks like a huge printed antenna |
| 21:23.49 | kd3 | rofl; (sfw) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1062848/Going-dogs-How-Nature-magazine-featured-Obama-McCain---unfortunate-ad-back.html |
| 21:26.40 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, Newman was 83... he was older than I thought |
| 21:26.40 | Nom- | heh... loving the new prot pally |
| 21:26.47 | bleeter | oops - http://www.warcraftiii.net |
| 21:26.53 | Kaso | i dont find that add "unfortunate" |
| 21:26.55 | Nom- | The DPS you put out is insane now |
| 21:27.07 | bleeter | ^^ Ooops best views in FF3 |
| 21:27.10 | bleeter | *viewed |
| 21:27.12 | Nom- | my shield is critting for > 4K dmaage... hammer for 3K crits |
| 21:27.25 | Nom- | That's in mostly PvP gear and a few dungeon blues |
| 21:27.30 | bleeter | Cairenn: check out http://www.warcraftiii.net in FF3 ;) |
| 21:27.44 | Neuro_Medivh | "This web site at war3.incgamers.com has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences." |
| 21:27.48 | Cairenn | again? |
| 21:28.22 | bleeter | im suprised the control that domain name, tbh |
| 21:28.25 | bleeter | *they |
| 21:28.26 | Fisker- | moar keyloggars? |
| 21:29.41 | Atriace | Mmm, anybody know if there's a function to report how long you've been AFK? |
| 21:30.16 | cbreak | just a redirect to some other page of incgamers... |
| 21:30.47 | cbreak | Atriace: you can store a time stamp when you go afk yourself I guess |
| 21:30.55 | Atriace | Well, that was plan B |
| 21:31.35 | Atriace | I figure the client has to know. It logs you out automatically after X time being AFK... though that could easily be server side action. |
| 21:32.20 | cbreak | the client knows a lot more than is exposed :/ |
| 21:32.29 | bleeter | ouch "Of the 109 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 41 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent." |
| 21:33.00 | bleeter | anyways, I ended up there after looking for some stuff about the canned Warcraft Adventures game... intriguing |
| 21:33.26 | Cairenn | anyone telling them? |
| 21:33.48 | cbreak | I don't like the phishing stuff in ff 3 |
| 21:33.50 | bleeter | I thought I just did... you mean I have to do more than mention it in here? :( |
| 21:33.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:34.08 | cbreak | it sends a hash of every site you visit to google, increasing latency and potentially causing privacy problems |
| 21:34.17 | Cairenn | well, given that (to my knowledge) there's no one from incgamers in here ... |
| 21:35.34 | Cairenn | but no one *needs* to tell them if they don't feel like it |
| 21:35.39 | Cairenn | was just curious if anyone was |
| 21:35.40 | bleeter | well, I don't my systems directly connected to theirs more than has already happened this morning |
| 21:35.46 | bleeter | *don't want |
| 21:36.16 | Cairenn | so PM rushster from my site ;) |
| 21:36.17 | Quaiche | cbreak: Is the problem that it is Google or that they send the page hash to a service to determine its safety? |
| 21:36.42 | cbreak | both |
| 21:36.57 | bleeter | Cairenn: oh, good thinking. can't do that for myself @ 07:30 on a sundy morn |
| 21:36.58 | cbreak | I don't trust google and I don't trust anyone else with my private data, unless absolutely needed |
| 21:37.12 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:37.29 | Quaiche | A hash of the page you visit is private data? Get over it man. 21st century is here. Only way off the grid is to unplug. |
| 21:37.50 | Quaiche | All ur private data r belong to us |
| 21:37.52 | cbreak | heard of freenet? :) |
| 21:37.53 | Quaiche | lol |
| 21:38.14 | cbreak | Quaiche: the problem is that the hash is potentially reversible |
| 21:38.15 | Quaiche | lol |
| 21:38.18 | foxlit | Add noise, problem solved |
| 21:38.28 | Quaiche | Keep deluding yourself that freenet gets you off the net. |
| 21:38.30 | Neuro_Medivh | so they can tell what porn sites you've gone to? |
| 21:38.39 | cbreak | everything |
| 21:38.44 | cbreak | banking sites, forums, and so on |
| 21:38.49 | Quaiche | Who cares??? |
| 21:38.52 | cbreak | I do :) |
| 21:39.05 | Quaiche | And you are scared of...? |
| 21:39.07 | Neuro_Medivh | he's Swiss, Quiache, |
| 21:39.14 | cbreak | just because you don't mind big brother watching you, doesn't mean that no one else does |
| 21:39.17 | Neuro_Medivh | he doesn't want anyone taking his chocolate |
| 21:39.27 | cbreak | it's not that I am scared, I am careful |
| 21:39.43 | cbreak | getting data that is known back being unknown is impossible in most cases |
| 21:39.47 | Quaiche | You miss my point cbreak. Big brother is here. You can't make him go away. That war was lost years ago before anybody even noticed. |
| 21:39.55 | Quaiche | Best thing you can do is embrace it and get over it. |
| 21:40.04 | Neuro_Medivh | cbreak: and yet, you trust your ISP completely |
| 21:40.14 | cbreak | no, best thing I can do is fight it and minimize data production |
| 21:40.19 | cbreak | Neuro_Medivh: not really |
| 21:40.21 | foxlit | For a definition of "best" that's completely out of this world :) |
| 21:40.22 | Quaiche | Exaclty.... every router between y ou and anywhere kjnows |
| 21:40.24 | Neuro_Medivh | even though they have 100 times the ability to snoop on you |
| 21:40.24 | Quaiche | Your bank knows |
| 21:40.28 | Quaiche | Your phone company knows |
| 21:40.30 | Quaiche | Everyone knows |
| 21:40.36 | cbreak | my phone company knows nothing |
| 21:40.47 | Quaiche | And, of course, your government knows |
| 21:40.48 | Quaiche | LOL |
| 21:40.50 | Neuro_Medivh | my phone company is my internet provider, so |
| 21:40.50 | NightHawkTheSane | people still use phone companies these days? |
| 21:41.11 | Quaiche | mobile? |
| 21:41.12 | cbreak | there are some things that are unavoidable |
| 21:41.23 | cbreak | like the provider knowing which pages I access |
| 21:41.28 | NightHawkTheSane | my cell phone is little more than an accessory :p |
| 21:41.29 | cbreak | unless I use Tor of course |
| 21:41.31 | bleeter | like government people leaving your personal info on a laptop that's stolen |
| 21:41.45 | cbreak | but that doesn't mean that everyone else needs to know |
| 21:42.52 | cbreak | but for many things there are tools to provide encryption (for confidentiality of data) or even anonymisation (for confidentiality of connections) |
| 21:43.21 | cbreak | for data there are GPG, SSL, OTR Messaging |
| 21:43.49 | cbreak | for anonymity there are anonymizing proxies like JAP (compromised), Tor or commercial services |
| 21:43.59 | cbreak | or fully anonymous services such as freenet or i2p |
| 21:44.40 | Quaiche | Of course you can do all that... but your info will still get out. And I still ask... why? What are you afraid of? |
| 21:44.51 | cbreak | it's not fear |
| 21:44.54 | cbreak | it's care |
| 21:45.25 | Quaiche | All your language points to fear of something. Calling it care is a euphamism. |
| 21:45.27 | cbreak | the less data is available, the more privacy I have. I like privacy. |
| 21:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | im going to go with.. "people like you" |
| 21:45.47 | foxlit | Hey, Quaiche |
| 21:45.54 | Quaiche | hey foxlit |
| 21:46.03 | cbreak | Some people might be exhibitionists. |
| 21:46.08 | foxlit | Give us your full name, address, birth date, and credit card details. |
| 21:46.13 | foxlit | You know it'll get out there anyway. |
| 21:46.16 | foxlit | So what does it matter? :) |
| 21:46.34 | NightHawkTheSane | (because if there's anything to fear, its the people who so willingly surrender their privacy) |
| 21:47.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Quaiche: don't forget your mothers maiden name, and your top 3 passwords. |
| 21:47.04 | Quaiche | I refuse to be afraid of the mystical big brother stealing all my "privacy" |
| 21:47.05 | cbreak | I don't think you know what fear is Quaiche. |
| 21:47.13 | Quaiche | lol |
| 21:48.03 | cbreak | when a family member is ill, might die, and you are sitting in the hospital hoping they survive, THAT is fear |
| 21:48.21 | foxlit | ... fear of something you can't affect? |
| 21:48.24 | foxlit | That's irrational. |
| 21:48.32 | cbreak | fear is irrational |
| 21:48.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: fear often is |
| 21:48.44 | cbreak | it is a feeling, a reflex |
| 21:49.00 | cbreak | being careful is a conscious act |
| 21:49.48 | Quaiche | Agreed. You can wear body armor and have bodyguards while walking down the street because you are careful (and scared). Or you can just go for a freaking walk! |
| 21:50.11 | cbreak | do you jump around on the road while cars are trying to not hit you? |
| 21:50.17 | cbreak | probably not |
| 21:50.21 | cbreak | since you are still alive |
| 21:50.28 | cbreak | so, why not? because you are afraid of cars? |
| 21:50.30 | cbreak | or roads? |
| 21:50.33 | Quaiche | I prefer the freedom of being myself and doing what I want. I choose not to be afraid of every shadow that is around me. |
| 21:50.44 | cbreak | no, because you are careful to not take unneccessary risks |
| 21:50.51 | Quaiche | Of course I don't jump in the street, but I also dont make up enemies that may or may not exist. |
| 21:51.06 | cbreak | so cars are enemies that do exist? |
| 21:51.28 | cbreak | there are risks involved with jumping around on bussy streets |
| 21:51.28 | Dewin | Unless they're flying cars, then they don't exist. |
| 21:51.39 | Quaiche | The danger of a rushing car is tangible and knowable. The danger you're afraid of with the FF3 antiphishing filter is paranoia. They have meds for that. |
| 21:51.52 | cbreak | there are risks involved with giving away personal information |
| 21:52.12 | cbreak | you might not understand the risks due to lack of knowledge |
| 21:52.12 | Quaiche | There are risks involved with walking down the sidewalk. |
| 21:52.18 | foxlit | [would the existence of medication against paranoia make you more or less paranoid?] |
| 21:52.21 | cbreak | but there are risks. they are easily evadable |
| 21:52.43 | Quaiche | Risk and risk mitigation is about measuring the impact and cost to mitigate an attack and balancing it against the cost of the threat happening. |
| 21:52.44 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: depends on whether you're on it i suppose. ;) |
| 21:52.49 | Quaiche | (Yes, I work in this business) |
| 21:53.34 | Quaiche | I look at the internet browsing stuff and decided the cost and likelihood of an incident is low and the cost (in personal time and effort) of mitigating isnt worth it. |
| 21:53.57 | cbreak | the costs of not sending your data to third parties is 0 |
| 21:54.01 | Quaiche | So bringing it back to the original point, I'm quite happy to have FF3 send my hash to Google if it keeps the phishing guys off my computer. |
| 21:54.02 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: considering population as a whole, perhaps. |
| 21:54.11 | Quaiche | Small cost in personal information, large payout in my kids being safer. |
| 21:54.22 | cbreak | the phishing filter even adds additional costs of latency |
| 21:54.26 | foxlit | I'm sure there's a more elegant way to phrase the question to emphasize the irony, but it may be escaping me at the moment. |
| 21:54.27 | cbreak | and brings no tangible benefit |
| 21:55.11 | Quaiche | You know, you could always diable the anti-phishing stuff... LOL |
| 21:55.17 | cbreak | yes. |
| 21:55.20 | cbreak | that's what I did :) |
| 21:55.24 | Corrodias | diable? |
| 21:55.42 | cbreak | anyway peter, I am careful. you don't have to be :) |
| 21:55.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it's diablo's retarded cousin. |
| 21:55.48 | cbreak | I mean Quaiche |
| 21:55.55 | ccox | "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Benjemin Franklin |
| 21:56.03 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:56.04 | Quaiche | Exactly, I gave up on hiding my personal identity a long time ago. |
| 21:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 21:56.09 | NightHawkTheSane | bah |
| 21:56.33 | bleeter | Benjemin? Who's that? Cousin of Benjamin? :P |
| 21:56.34 | Corrodias | he who sacrifices security for freedom receives lack of security and death :o |
| 21:56.34 | cbreak | too bad for you :) |
| 21:56.50 | cbreak | I don't mind lack of death |
| 21:56.51 | ccox | says PProvost hiding behind Quaiche... |
| 21:57.04 | Corrodias | this is not the only point on which i do not agree with ol' Benjamin Franklin |
| 21:57.05 | ccox | bleeter - no, just someone tired behind a keyboard |
| 21:57.05 | Quaiche | Not hiding. Quaiche is my WoW persona. Always has been. |
| 21:57.11 | Corrodias | he was just some guy, remember. some guy back in the day. |
| 21:57.12 | Quaiche | Just /who me. Name is still there. |
| 21:57.24 | Atriace | I need help: anyone know what the WoW implementation of isnumber() is? I need it. |
| 21:57.37 | Quaiche | As I'm sure cbreak did. |
| 21:57.37 | foxlit | type |
| 21:57.38 | cbreak | well, you use twitter, so I guess you don't care about privacy in the least |
| 21:57.42 | foxlit | Look it up, http://lua.org |
| 21:57.46 | Quaiche | lol |
| 21:57.57 | cbreak | (either that or someone stole your nick :) |
| 21:57.58 | Quaiche | I thought we'd covered that cbreak |
| 21:58.06 | Quaiche | That's me. |
| 21:58.07 | Atriace | foxlit: naturally, I did that. But lua_isnumber isn't a valid function call in WoW |
| 21:58.19 | foxlit | Stop looking at C api calls |
| 21:58.29 | Atriace | I tried it without lua_ |
| 21:58.33 | foxlit | (and look up "type") |
| 21:58.56 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-type |
| 21:58.56 | Atriace | I used type. That's my problem though. |
| 21:59.04 | Quaiche | Alrighty, nice debating security and privacy philosophy with y'all. Gotta take dog and kids for a walk. I'm sure cbreak can tell you where we'll be. :P |
| 21:59.12 | Atriace | I have a string of numbers and it identifies it as a string rather than a number. |
| 21:59.17 | cbreak | have fun :) |
| 21:59.30 | foxlit | Because isnumber is not is_numeric |
| 22:00.15 | bleeter | Quaiche|away: I know where you'll be. Not at the keyboard, more than likely outside your home too! :P |
| 22:00.19 | cbreak | Atriace: a string is a string, not a number |
| 22:00.21 | foxlit | you can tonumber() the string if you want to |
| 22:00.41 | foxlit | You can see if :match() returns true for something that you would consider to be a valid number, and tonumber it afterwards |
| 22:00.53 | foxlit | But there's no built in is-what-is-in-this-string-a-number function. |
| 22:01.04 | Atriace | cbreak: I strsplit a string which contained numbers and it identifies the parsed numbers as a string. |
| 22:01.17 | cbreak | the parsed numbers are a string |
| 22:01.29 | cbreak | you can make a number out of them if you use the function foxlit gave you |
| 22:01.36 | Quaiche|away | Yes, bleeter... hiding from cars and bad guys. :D |
| 22:02.00 | cbreak | you're just afraid |
| 22:02.08 | cbreak | that your dog will p*** in your house :) |
| 22:02.12 | Atriace | hmm.. I kinda assumed tonumber() would fail or something. Problem is, sometimes this var (which happens to be a number at this moment) can be string, and is validly so. |
| 22:02.28 | cbreak | the failure mode is returning nil |
| 22:02.33 | Atriace | good. |
| 22:02.45 | Atriace | I'll give it a shot. |
| 22:02.55 | foxlit | lua> tonumber("bad dog"), tonumber("13th of September"), tonumber("dead"), tonumber("0xff") |
| 22:02.55 | lua_bot | foxlit: nil, nil, nil, 255 |
| 22:03.10 | cbreak | yay |
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| 22:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, RDA is really odl. |
| 22:13.06 | NightHawkTheSane | s/dl/ld/ |
| 22:13.44 | Dewin | why is it UNIT_PET_>>EXPERIENCE<<, but PLAYER_>>XP<<_UPDATE >.> |
| 22:14.18 | Corrodias | because shutup. |
| 22:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | probably just average inconsistency & sloppiness. |
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| 22:17.28 | foxlit | PLAYER_EXPERIENCE_UPDATE |
| 22:17.31 | foxlit | type that a few times |
| 22:18.02 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: meh, thats never an excuse to not use standard & descriptive names :\ |
| 22:19.02 | foxlit | it's every bit as descriptive as the chosen equivalent |
| 22:19.12 | foxlit | as for standards, we don't need no stinkin' standards! |
| 22:19.31 | NightHawkTheSane | in this case, yes, but in the general case, saying "it's too long to type" is a really -bad- reason :p |
| 22:19.34 | foxlit | (besides UNIT(!)_PET_EXPERIENCE?) |
| 22:19.39 | bleeter | apart from the standard 'I blame Cide' |
| 22:20.15 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: your nick would be annoying without tab completion :) |
| 22:20.45 | foxlit | AFunctionWithAReallyLongAndDescriptiveNameThatMayAlsoPossiblyBeDetrimentalToIt(true) ? |
| 22:20.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ this female goblin gossip text |
| 22:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "Men -- can't life with them, can't live without them. Well, you can... but it's just really boring." |
| 22:21.22 | foxlit | Mm, storm peaks |
| 22:21.35 | foxlit | Look awesome, content sucks. |
| 22:21.37 | kd3 | sbo; rofl |
| 22:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm starting storm peaks now |
| 22:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Now that the server is a bit more stable |
| 22:22.02 | kd3 | it's pretty damn awesome from the storylines I've seen |
| 22:22.03 | nevcairiel | I got 80 in sholazar and kept stormpeaks for live =P |
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| 22:22.27 | foxlit | There's the goblin comic relief & co. |
| 22:22.42 | foxlit | You kill some scourge and try to capture Brann |
| 22:22.50 | foxlit | Plenty of unappealing, grinding quests. |
| 22:23.00 | foxlit | (compared to say... Icecrown) |
| 22:23.13 | foxlit | Which looks horrible, but has awesome content |
| 22:23.14 | kd3 | flinging yourself from proto-drake to proto-drake around the temple of storms? |
| 22:23.39 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yes, it would be. but irc isn't a programming language/project/etc, and you DO have tab completion ;) |
| 22:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I really have to wonder if it was a male or a female who wrote that gossip text though |
| 22:24.04 | bleeter | meh, I've given up on testing and suggestions until we get a firm ruling on the procedures by which one can currently launder $$<>gold |
| 22:24.29 | foxlit | hardw1re widgertick Ycarene Kaelten Nechckn o(!) widgertick ? (my apologies to everyone involved) |
| 22:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i liked the entire brunnhildar quest line, really :) |
| 22:24.42 | foxlit | In fact, I messed that up |
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| 22:25.57 | foxlit | hard!w1re o widger!tick were!Hamster o Udont!Know lnch!ntdsl Dol!by Y!carene o U!dontKnow K!aelten N!echckn o w!idgertick? |
| 22:26.09 | foxlit | (it's surprising that nobody's name starts with an o) |
| 22:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: wtf? |
| 22:26.37 | foxlit | "you DO have tab completion" << :) |
| 22:27.04 | bleeter | so apparently some DK has worked out how to post to live |
| 22:27.13 | Dewin | foxlit: Just for you. |
| 22:27.26 | orly | hmm... that's registered |
| 22:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: huh? |
| 22:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: several people have been doing it |
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| 22:28.34 | foxlit | Chalk that up to "not funny", I suppose :) |
| 22:28.39 | Dewin | Is Iriel still around? |
| 22:29.01 | foxlit | I'm merely pointing out that the assumption that I DO have tab completion might be unreasonable unless I started overusing it :) |
| 22:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: eh, I generally assume most irc-savvy people have it |
| 22:29.35 | Corrodias | Fatalis is right. Nargiddley shouldn't be making such assumptions. |
| 22:30.06 | Corrodias | haha? meh |
| 22:30.10 | foxlit | Doesn't have much to do with people, that :) |
| 22:31.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, Hot Streak is totally one way to get me to put Pyroblast on my bars |
| 22:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That is really all sorts of awesome |
| 22:39.11 | Iriel | me? |
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| 22:57.43 | bleeter | no u |
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| 23:01.34 | bleeter | Dolby: (or anyone else in here, really...) http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/45510/small_talk.gif |
| 23:02.47 | Syzgyn | hah |
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| 23:15.43 | Kaso | i love that |
| 23:21.56 | Dolby | lol bleeter |
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| 23:22.58 | bleeter | oO Blizz have sorted out BlizzCon rboadcast in australia!! |
| 23:28.40 | bleeter | holy cow! $30 for the weekend =)) |
| 23:36.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-r] by t |
| 23:36.44 | t | sorry, I left you guys +r by mistake. |
| 23:36.47 | Duman | heh |
| 23:36.56 | zenzelezz | t: that's okay, we blame Shirik |
| 23:36.58 | Duman | that just forces people to be registered to join, yeah? |
| 23:37.10 | zenzelezz | or change nicks while on the channel |
| 23:37.13 | Duman | ahh |
| 23:37.25 | t | zenzelezz: Shirik does seem the generic target here |
| 23:37.30 | Duman | not familiar w/ hyperion ircd |
| 23:37.39 | zenzelezz | t: it's his own fault ;) |
| 23:37.46 | t | and yes, it just rejects unregistered people |
| 23:37.46 | Gnarfoz | he's got his own fail factoid |
| 23:37.50 | Gnarfoz | what does that tell you ;> |
| 23:37.57 | t | hehe |
| 23:38.08 | Duman | even tho I am one of the oldschool ircd authors :) |
| 23:38.35 | t | Duman: you are? then you must hate what we've done to this ircd. |
| 23:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 23:38.41 | Duman | haha |
| 23:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Server died |
| 23:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yay |
| 23:38.47 | Duman | nah, ircd needed help |
| 23:39.04 | Duman | I was actually always a proponent for allowing nick/channel registration |
| 23:39.14 | Duman | but EFNet was much more "open" |
| 23:39.14 | t | Duman: even db hates it an there are still some of her comments in the code ;) |
| 23:39.17 | Duman | *is |
| 23:39.23 | bleeter | lol t (what you've done to this ircd) ;) |
| 23:39.24 | Duman | hehe |
| 23:39.55 | Duman | I wonder if any of my cruft is still there |
| 23:39.59 | kd3 | hm... will I be dead when I log in? |
| 23:40.16 | Duman | hybrid is the combination of my code and comstud's code (hence, hybrid) |
| 23:40.21 | Duman | well, and their own tweaks) |
| 23:40.40 | Duman | at least, it started out like that... I haven't touched ircd since ilke '98 or so |
| 23:40.46 | Duman | jesus has it been that long |
| 23:40.58 | kd3 | o_O |
| 23:41.07 | t | yup, I am sorry to be the one to break it to you but you're *old*. |
| 23:41.11 | Duman | heh |
| 23:41.14 | t | :) |
| 23:41.40 | Duman | kd3/sbo: I like how the server crashed the instant I tried to log in |
| 23:41.45 | bleeter | Duman: lo, '98 was about the last time I looked at the code |
| 23:41.49 | bleeter | *lol |
| 23:41.55 | t | It's quite rare to find someone with such old claims :) |
| 23:41.56 | bleeter | we iz old fartz |
| 23:41.56 | Duman | blame me.. I was logging my priest, who hadn't been logged in the last 2mo probably |
| 23:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: I noticed, we shall collectivly hate on you as a result |
| 23:42.15 | Duman | I hacked on ircd while in college, to procrastinate :) |
| 23:42.24 | Duman | so '92-'96 mainly |
| 23:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Server is back |
| 23:42.57 | Duman | sbo: lemme try crashing it again |
| 23:43.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: plz2no |
| 23:43.37 | bleeter | I'm so old, I remember having 'eyez knede ay spelchequa faw netskape maile' as my sigblock and someone from netscape asking me if they could use it to try and get some internal momentum happening |
| 23:44.05 | AnduinLothar | any healer want to do COT:strath? |
| 23:45.13 | Dewin | I wonder how hard it would be to write a shell extension that shows the TOC version of all your addons and gives you an option to delete the saved settings when you delete them |
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| 23:47.33 | Quaiche|away | Not that hard. |
| 23:48.04 | Quaiche|away | I've got a powershell commandlet that gets addon information as a structured data type. Nice for things like that. :) |
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| 23:51.41 | Duman | holy shit |
| 23:51.48 | kd3 | that's new |
| 23:51.53 | Duman | started yesterday |
| 23:52.04 | Duman | guess we'll stay +r |
| 23:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 23:52.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Shiibot seems to be unable to handle this. |
| 23:52.20 | t | Duman: there's a git using some open proxies to spam here and has been for a while |
| 23:52.28 | Duman | t: *nod* |
| 23:52.34 | t | the proxy scanner handles it but rather slowly |
| 23:52.42 | Duman | hyperion doesn't do the open proxy check? or are they now running on some weird random ports |
| 23:52.48 | Duman | nm :) |
| 23:53.04 | zenzelezz | Shiibot should be able to handle it quickly once he gets around to noticing and bothering to fix it |
| 23:53.06 | t | people who buy cisco routers should not be allowed to leave their password set to 'cisco' |
| 23:53.17 | Duman | seriously |
| 23:53.18 | t | the damn things havea telnet client :( |
| 23:53.19 | zenzelezz | ... they do that? |
| 23:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. stupid people are stupid. |
| 23:54.03 | t | it makes them easy to spot it's just annoying. |
| 23:54.07 | zenzelezz | those Cisco routers should come with some sort of dummy check, like the good old eggdrop config file which would die() the bot if the user didn't remove/comment that line in the config |
| 23:54.43 | molgar | hi all, im trying to make a list of a fontstring but got some problems, is there anyone that know a good #channel where i can ask for this ? |
| 23:55.13 | Dave2 | t: the other day that'd probably've been an elne clien |
| 23:55.18 | Dave2 | And I'm sure that'd cause a lot fewer issues, since who'd want to use an elne clien |
| 23:55.32 | Dashkal | molgar: this is a good place. just ask the question and we'll answer if we know |
| 23:55.33 | Kaso | Here is a good place to ask questions about Wow UI Development molgar |
| 23:56.50 | molgar | okey, cool. well i have a editbox that sends text to a fontstring like this : FontString:SetText(SpellEditer:GetText()); .. however, every time i make a new line, the stored one gets deleted |
| 23:57.15 | molgar | is there anyway i can make a "list", so it makes a new line every time i type something new |
| 23:58.12 | Dewin | is SpellEditer the same fontstring or some other one? |
| 23:59.16 | molgar | thats the editbox, sry, i type it abit diferent, FontStringName:SetText(EditboxName:GetText(); |
| 23:59.50 | Dewin | And you want to append EditBoxName's text to FontStringName? |
