| 00:00.09 | Shirik | there are some problematic cases |
| 00:00.14 | Shirik | but there's problematic cases for Omen too :) |
| 00:00.25 | cbreak | yes. you should have picked green hair |
| 00:00.25 | cbreak | then you could ignore the rules... |
| 00:01.14 | Mikk | Did they add an API to detect flight? |
| 00:01.43 | cbreak | in wow? |
| 00:01.53 | AbsoRayne | So whats available to do on the PTR? |
| 00:01.59 | AbsoRayne | Anything out of the norm? |
| 00:02.11 | cbreak | probably everything you can do in beta |
| 00:02.15 | cbreak | if you would nothave WotLK |
| 00:02.47 | cbreak | new talents and leveling inscriptions. achievements. barber shop I guess. |
| 00:02.59 | Sixen | Uhm. WotLK. |
| 00:03.00 | Sixen | lol |
| 00:03.12 | AbsoRayne | Im just looking to try the new prot warrior talents |
| 00:03.27 | Tem|work | Screw the rules, I have green hair! |
| 00:04.27 | Mikk | Ah, IsFlying() |
| 00:05.42 | AbsoRayne | Vigilance is interesting.... |
| 00:06.18 | Sargeras | Hey Sixen, thanks for the props on the forums <3 |
| 00:06.34 | Sixen | Anytime. Refresh my memory? |
| 00:06.35 | Sixen | ;X |
| 00:06.44 | Sixen | Oh! |
| 00:06.44 | Sixen | Thor? |
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| 00:07.03 | Sargeras | yes sir ;p |
| 00:07.18 | Sixen | <3 |
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| 00:19.54 | AbsoRayne | Holy GOD the new prot talents @_@ so good |
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| 00:23.58 | cbreak | can't be as good as the new frost talents |
| 00:25.30 | alestane | Did they shake up everything AGAIN? |
| 00:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Frost giants? |
| 00:26.06 | Thunder_Child | yes Lopeppeppy |
| 00:26.27 | cbreak | I don't think the frost talents changed much since a week or so, but I liked it back then too. and two weeks ago. |
| 00:26.46 | cbreak | deep freeze and fingers of frost are just fantastic |
| 00:27.31 | alestane | I do remember thinking they added some good stuff to the frost tree. |
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| 00:29.50 | batrick | are you guys talking about mage frost tree or DK frost tree? |
| 00:30.04 | cbreak | I talk about frost mages |
| 00:31.01 | batrick | any links? |
| 00:31.18 | batrick | i dont see anything about new frost talens on mmo champ |
| 00:32.07 | cbreak | with new I mean comming with WotLK |
| 00:32.13 | cbreak | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent |
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| 00:32.28 | batrick | o ... i thought you meant they changed the frost tree again recently |
| 00:32.38 | cbreak | they changed FoF a bit |
| 00:32.45 | batrick | what'd they do? |
| 00:32.46 | cbreak | it now procs more often and from chill effects |
| 00:32.58 | cbreak | and they reduced the number of points needed in a few old talents |
| 00:33.02 | batrick | only chill effects? as in no more ice lance spam lol? |
| 00:33.21 | cbreak | shatter and ice shards are now 3 pointers instead of 5 pointers |
| 00:33.26 | cbreak | yes batrick |
| 00:33.28 | batrick | ya i saw that |
| 00:33.32 | cbreak | but 15% proc chance |
| 00:33.33 | batrick | that sorta sucks |
| 00:33.40 | cbreak | so it's a buff imho |
| 00:33.43 | batrick | FoF working with ice lance was very good |
| 00:33.51 | batrick | it was equal to the 51 arcane point talent |
| 00:34.10 | batrick | somebody did the numbers and it came out very similar |
| 00:34.45 | batrick | it looks like blizzard is veering away from 5 point talents |
| 00:34.52 | batrick | for reasons I'm not sure |
| 00:35.02 | cbreak | there are still many |
| 00:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably people whining about bloat |
| 00:35.19 | cbreak | but the frost tree just had so many good talents, I didn't know where to take the points from |
| 00:35.22 | cbreak | it's easier now :) |
| 00:35.27 | batrick | ya |
| 00:35.38 | batrick | magic absorption is so fucking win |
| 00:35.43 | batrick | pretty much have to get that |
| 00:36.05 | batrick | frozen core is also sorta decent now |
| 00:36.17 | batrick | except Frost mages dont really have trouble staying alive |
| 00:36.18 | batrick | so meh |
| 00:36.25 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 00:36.26 | purl | ~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 00:36.32 | batrick | shirik |
| 00:36.34 | Shirik | batrick |
| 00:36.35 | batrick | we need to talk |
| 00:36.37 | batrick | suckah |
| 00:36.43 | Shirik | I'm taking DSP this semester |
| 00:36.45 | Shirik | You know what it is? |
| 00:36.50 | Shirik | A continuation of signals & systems |
| 00:36.51 | Shirik | omg |
| 00:36.51 | Shirik | my head |
| 00:36.52 | batrick | yes |
| 00:36.57 | cbreak | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=of0f0zZZVIIfkfu0rzgfst is what I am thinking of |
| 00:36.58 | batrick | i haven't done it |
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| 00:37.08 | batrick | i have a friend of mine tho who is escatic about taking it |
| 00:37.11 | Shirik | But I actually understand it this time |
| 00:37.14 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf dsp |
| 00:37.15 | Shirik | it's kinda cool actually |
| 00:37.20 | Shirik | digital signal processing |
| 00:37.22 | Thunder_Child | fail purl |
| 00:37.23 | batrick | Thunder_Child: digital si |
| 00:37.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I see DSP, I think -- that |
| 00:37.24 | batrick | ... |
| 00:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Right there |
| 00:37.28 | batrick | what Shirik said |
| 00:37.34 | Thunder_Child | i know what it is |
| 00:37.38 | Thunder_Child | i wanted to know if purl did |
| 00:37.47 | batrick | lies |
| 00:38.02 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 00:40.25 | Gnarfoz | ~cookie purl |
| 00:40.43 | Gnarfoz | ~literal cookie purl |
| 00:42.22 | cbreak | ~botpizza |
| 00:42.29 | batrick | cbreak: is that a pve spec? |
| 00:42.34 | cbreak | yeah |
| 00:42.38 | cbreak | mostly |
| 00:42.39 | batrick | ok |
| 00:42.48 | batrick | my mouth dropped when i saw you didn't pick up shattered barrier |
| 00:42.49 | cbreak | I don't pvp much |
| 00:42.52 | batrick | then that came to mind |
| 00:43.07 | cbreak | yeah, pvp talent :) |
| 00:43.16 | cbreak | for pvp, I would not take elemental precision either |
| 00:43.27 | cbreak | and probably more permafrost |
| 00:43.30 | batrick | i worked from the top down |
| 00:44.04 | cbreak | I am not sure if I should like focus magic |
| 00:44.17 | cbreak | it seems to have to be rebuffed every 10 seconds |
| 00:44.29 | batrick | that is pretty lame |
| 00:44.37 | cbreak | maybe a bug though |
| 00:44.39 | batrick | whats the mana cost now |
| 00:44.47 | batrick | is it still rediculous 1k mana lol?? |
| 00:44.51 | cbreak | not sure. it was quite low |
| 00:44.53 | cbreak | 150 mana or so? |
| 00:44.59 | batrick | 6% base mana... good |
| 00:45.45 | batrick | im pretty happy with the frost tree |
| 00:45.56 | batrick | and early arcane is no longer painful |
| 00:46.10 | batrick | imp fireblast is also excellent |
| 00:46.17 | cbreak | the arcane focus nerf IS painful |
| 00:46.35 | batrick | ya... |
| 00:46.49 | batrick | that was kinda lame, but it was imba comparatively |
| 00:47.16 | cbreak | I like the new resistance power of Magic Absorbtion |
| 00:47.23 | cbreak | but I wonder... will it still proc? |
| 00:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, the threat reduc on Arc Sub was changed back to 40% |
| 00:47.38 | cbreak | I read rumors that the 5 step resist curve was changed to an 11 step curve |
| 00:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought they nerfed that down to 10% like the others |
| 00:48.00 | batrick | Did they add any talents that increase chance not to be hit by spells? |
| 00:48.02 | cbreak | so that you can resist 0%, 10%, 20% and so on |
| 00:48.06 | batrick | it no longer will be flat 3% |
| 00:48.14 | batrick | I know the racials are going to affect some things |
| 00:48.22 | batrick | I think it may be worthwhile to get full ele precision |
| 00:48.25 | batrick | for pvp |
| 00:48.48 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 00:49.01 | cbreak | I don't care enough about PvP to respec :) |
| 00:49.11 | cbreak | wait... I have full EP anyway... |
| 00:49.40 | cbreak | the Magic Absorbtion mana return proc won't be of much use I bet |
| 00:49.50 | batrick | i disagree |
| 00:49.52 | cbreak | 100% resists will be much rarer |
| 00:50.07 | cbreak | since they added 90%, 80% resists |
| 00:50.17 | batrick | hmm |
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| 00:50.25 | batrick | it should do something with partial resists |
| 00:50.32 | cbreak | so the only 100% resists will be from either big luck, or misses |
| 00:50.38 | cbreak | and I am not sure if misses even trigger it |
| 00:50.44 | batrick | perhaps give mana equal to the amount of damage resisted |
| 00:50.47 | batrick | that would make a ton of sense |
| 00:50.55 | batrick | and would balance it in those beginning dungeons |
| 00:50.57 | cbreak | yes. but it doesn't work like that afaik :/ |
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| 00:51.06 | batrick | where all the resists basically means full mana bar 24/7 |
| 00:51.11 | batrick | not that blizz cares much about that |
| 00:51.32 | batrick | anyway gotta go nice talking with ya cbreak |
| 00:51.36 | cbreak | bb |
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| 01:04.18 | NightHawkTheSane | .. oh god, the horror, hershey's replaces cocoa butter with vegetable oil.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26788143/ |
| 01:04.54 | Shirik | Dear Matthew: After a recent internal audit of our payroll bank account it was discovered that you have an outstanding payroll check that was issued on 07/03/2008 in the amount of $909.58. Please fill out the form below if you require a replacement check. |
| 01:04.57 | Shirik | ^ cool |
| 01:05.03 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: that's not even the same thing |
| 01:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, Shirik. |
| 01:05.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: nice |
| 01:06.15 | Shirik | And now I look at my AT&T bill |
| 01:06.27 | Shirik | and it says "Balance: $75.59 CR. Payment is not required." |
| 01:06.30 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 01:06.33 | NeoTron | we had an outstanding refund from a utility company |
| 01:06.38 | NeoTron | that we requested |
| 01:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you have a $75 credit on your account? |
| 01:06.55 | NeoTron | it's funny because we got the check the same day we got the next bill.. for the same amount essentially |
| 01:07.27 | Shirik | Is that what that means? |
| 01:07.43 | Tem|Class | oh god |
| 01:07.48 | Tem|Class | Shirik, you're another Matthew? |
| 01:08.53 | alestane | I believe he is. |
| 01:09.06 | Tem|Class | wow |
| 01:09.10 | Tem|Class | blizzcon is going to be confusing |
| 01:10.08 | Shirik | Tem|Class, yes |
| 01:10.14 | alestane | Between you, Shirik and Cogwheel, we will be well supplied with Matthews. Fortunately you have fairly different last names. |
| 01:10.32 | Shirik | I prefer Matt anyway :) |
| 01:11.03 | NeoTron | just converse using handles |
| 01:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i believe so, yes. you can always call and ask, but "payment is not required" usually means you don't owe anything |
| 01:11.13 | NeoTron | guaranteed unique! |
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| 01:12.55 | kd3 | meh, feels like my family |
| 01:13.05 | kd3 | any family reunion, there's a minimum of four James's |
| 01:13.23 | Lopeppeppy | So many of my name running around, totally sucks. :) |
| 01:13.25 | alestane | My inlaws include a surfeit of Katys. |
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| 01:19.13 | Duman | I'm pretty sure I'm the only me |
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| 01:22.29 | Duman | err, I mean, the only person w/ my name ;-) |
| 01:23.01 | Duman | in fact, I'm almost willing to bet you couldn't find more than maybe 5 ppl in all of WoW w/ my name ;) |
| 01:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | thats a lie, i'm sure there's a tleast three of you. |
| 01:23.12 | NightHawkTheSane | that.. MAY be the alcohol, thoough |
| 01:23.39 | Neuro_Medivh | there's 2 pages of Duman's |
| 01:23.48 | Duman | that's not my real name :) |
| 01:24.25 | Duman | and my real name will probably show up a lot, too |
| 01:24.28 | Duman | yeah, 2 pages of that |
| 01:24.47 | Duman | but I don't think there are that many ppl w/ that as their real name |
| 01:25.01 | Duman | well, I guess it's possible |
| 01:25.35 | Neuro_Medivh | so what's your real name? Fauntleroy Rimjobber? Cause yes, that name would probably be unique |
| 01:25.42 | Duman | bwahah |
| 01:25.47 | Duman | my name is Taner |
| 01:26.03 | Thunder_Child | he cant take that name Neuro_Medivh, you already have it |
| 01:26.19 | Duman | (rhymes with 'conair') |
| 01:26.29 | Neuro_Medivh | No, I'm Fitzpatrick Bumtickler |
| 01:26.29 | Wobin | I had a friend named Tanner |
| 01:26.37 | Duman | yes, but tanner != taner ;) |
| 01:26.45 | Wobin | Where's it from? |
| 01:26.51 | Duman | I'm Turkish |
| 01:26.53 | Duman | well, half |
| 01:27.06 | Wobin | Top half? =) |
| 01:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i like a good turk(y) |
| 01:27.10 | Duman | lol |
| 01:27.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ey* |
| 01:27.16 | Syzgyn | Left half |
| 01:27.24 | Neuro_Medivh | what's the other half, greek? |
| 01:27.27 | Duman | american |
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| 01:27.40 | Duman | (mom's from Kentucky ;) ) |
| 01:27.46 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, so redneck. |
| 01:27.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Turkish Redneck! |
| 01:27.56 | Duman | no |
| 01:27.59 | Wobin | A Kentucky (fried) Turk? |
| 01:28.00 | Duman | Kentucky Fried Turkey |
| 01:28.03 | Duman | yeah |
| 01:28.04 | Duman | that |
| 01:28.29 | Wobin | I bet your father went to Kentucky years and years ago just to set up that joke =P |
| 01:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yum, deep fried turkey |
| 01:28.41 | Duman | hehe |
| 01:29.04 | |pez| | I can't sleep |
| 01:29.09 | |pez| | this is sort of bad. -__-' |
| 01:29.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Duman, I bet your dad had some great lines... 'Hello, I am from Turkey, would you like to gobble gobble?' |
| 01:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | drink. *nod* |
| 01:29.24 | Duman | bwahah |
| 01:29.30 | Duman | he didn't speak much english when he got here |
| 01:29.36 | Neuro_Medivh | didn't have to! |
| 01:29.40 | Neuro_Medivh | just laid it on smooth |
| 01:29.51 | Duman | smoove |
| 01:30.53 | Neuro_Medivh | "Hello, ladies.. can I interest you in some Turkey sausage?" |
| 01:31.13 | Neuro_Medivh | there's just a millin' of em! |
| 01:31.38 | Shirik | !quit |
| 01:31.49 | Neuro_Medivh | you killed shiibot! |
| 01:31.54 | Syzgyn | Goddamn, BT is laggy tonight |
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| 01:31.59 | NightHawkTheSane | murderer! |
| 01:32.07 | Duman | server back up? |
| 01:32.09 | Duman | (I haven't checked) |
| 01:32.20 | Shirik | yes yes, I needed to move him |
| 01:32.24 | Shirik | don't worry, I'm trained in CPR |
| 01:32.31 | Neuro_Medivh | perv |
| 01:32.59 | Neuro_Medivh | changing his server, or his gateway? |
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| 01:33.48 | Shirik | there we go |
| 01:34.01 | Shirik | I need to make him purr |
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| 01:34.27 | Shirik | neither Neuro_Medivh |
| 01:34.40 | Shirik | I just realized when I restarted him last night that I did it in a terminal |
| 01:34.49 | Shirik | and if my terminal were to close, bye bye shiibot |
| 01:34.51 | Shirik | that's not acceptable :P |
| 01:35.09 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, your bot was terminal, no wonder it dies |
| 01:35.15 | Shirik | >< |
| 01:35.16 | Neuro_Medivh | s/dies/died/ |
| 01:35.25 | Duman | screen ftw |
| 01:35.30 | Shirik | screw screen |
| 01:36.13 | Duman | I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that, tbh ;) |
| 01:36.28 | Duman | 'cuz screen is awesome |
| 01:36.41 | Shirik | screen is awesome |
| 01:36.44 | Shirik | but overkill for this |
| 01:39.36 | Duman | fair enough :) |
| 01:40.03 | Shirik | this is what nohup was designed for :) |
| 01:40.08 | Shirik | If I weren't so lazy I'd write an init script for him too |
| 01:40.29 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, I need a better name for Shiibot |
| 01:40.59 | Lopeppeppy | What exactly does Shiibot do for you? |
| 01:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Locks the channel down when it gets spammy, in theory |
| 01:41.15 | Shirik | Attempts to identify bot attacks and squelch them |
| 01:41.32 | Shirik | the scoring algorithms are still in testing, but seem to be ok |
| 01:41.52 | Shirik | the core is rock solid |
| 01:41.56 | Shirik | obviously, because I designed it |
| 01:42.32 | Duman | what is the bot written in? |
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| 01:42.41 | Duman | *language |
| 01:42.43 | Shirik | (21:31:07) (@Shirik) !quit |
| 01:42.43 | Shirik | (21:31:07) - Quit: @Shiibot (n=Shiibot@li23-154.members.linode.com) ("Shiibot 0.1 - By Matthew 'Shirik' Del Buono - Powered by Lua 5.1.3") |
| 01:42.50 | Duman | oh, entirely lua? |
| 01:42.53 | Neuro_Medivh | so call it Spamabot |
| 01:42.54 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 01:42.56 | Duman | no fork() in lua? |
| 01:43.13 | Shirik | there's os.execute, but that's not really the same |
| 01:43.19 | Duman | ahh, nm then yeah |
| 01:43.21 | Shirik | I could write a lua binding to fork |
| 01:43.23 | Shirik | but.... |
| 01:43.26 | Shirik | that's more effort than it's work |
| 01:43.28 | Shirik | worth |
| 01:43.28 | Duman | hehe |
| 01:43.38 | Duman | or wrap it w/ a perl script |
| 01:43.40 | Duman | but yeah |
| 01:43.41 | Shirik | no |
| 01:43.44 | Duman | nohup + & |
| 01:43.56 | Shirik | combining perl with Lua just wants me to bash my head through a brick wall |
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| 01:44.05 | Duman | you misunderstood |
| 01:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | Brickbot... for smacking people upside the head with bricks when they spam our channel. |
| 01:44.16 | Duman | perl script thta fork()s and then exec()s the lua script |
| 01:44.19 | Lopeppeppy | Banbot, for banning their sorry arses. |
| 01:44.33 | Shirik | I refuse to taint my bot with evil perl |
| 01:44.41 | Wobin | botbot for spanking evil bots? |
| 01:44.53 | Shirik | (21:44:16) - [notice from NickServ]: Information on botbot (account botbot): |
| 01:44.54 | Shirik | (21:44:16) - [notice from NickServ]: Registered : Apr 16 15:32:27 2005 (3 years, 23 weeks, 0 days, 10:12:20 ago) |
| 01:45.01 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:45.12 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/no-only-in-the-original-klingon/399 ...um. |
| 01:45.14 | Shirik | I'm trying to get rid of the "bot" part of the name tbh :P |
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| 01:45.49 | Duman | call it 'Looa' |
| 01:45.55 | Wobin | Monty |
| 01:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, no botname. Hmm. |
| 01:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | Sentinel. |
| 01:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sentry. |
| 01:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | The Keymaster or the Gatekeeper. :) |
| 01:48.21 | Duman | Orac |
| 01:48.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sapiens. |
| 01:49.28 | Shirik | I could probably get Gatekeeper, it hasn't been used in 3 years. Only worry is freenode might not want that account used |
| 01:51.15 | Shirik | http://notalwaysright.com/gullibles-travels/335 |
| 01:51.17 | Shirik | Poor guy :( |
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| 01:52.10 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe. |
| 01:52.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but i have to think he probably deserved it |
| 01:53.18 | Shirik | sounds like he had a bad day :( |
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| 01:54.21 | Shirik | This is fun too http://notalwaysright.com/gotta-love-them-diy-puters/526 |
| 01:54.25 | Shirik | But I'll stop messing around on this site |
| 01:54.28 | Shirik | I need to finish cleaning |
| 01:59.44 | Wobin | it was a sad day for me |
| 01:59.50 | Wobin | when I ran out of notalwaysright |
| 01:59.54 | Wobin | entries to read |
| 02:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Wobin |
| 02:00.03 | purl | whacks Wobin upside the head |
| 02:00.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ~botsnack |
| 02:00.16 | purl | NightHawkTheSane: thanks |
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| 02:01.35 | Thunder_Child | i dunno NightHawkTheSane, it's rather valid |
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| 02:02.08 | Shirik | :/ |
| 02:02.10 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:03.17 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Shirik |
| 02:03.18 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:03.30 | Shirik | I turn on debugging output and do a /me test |
| 02:03.39 | Shirik | I copy exactly what was sent to the server and resend it |
| 02:03.44 | Shirik | and it's like "pz" |
| 02:06.48 | Legorol | Wow, this is remarkable... I have logged into my hunter for the first time in beta to check out the new pet talent system etc. |
| 02:07.06 | Legorol | .. and discovered that Blizzard has finally done it: they uncoupled the autoshots from special shots |
| 02:07.19 | Legorol | I have not seen this mentioned anywhere yet, so I am excited :) |
| 02:07.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ... welcome to like.. a month or two ago. |
| 02:07.39 | Legorol | yeah I know, but I didn't log into my hunter before, and I didn't see it mentioned in big letters yet :) |
| 02:07.59 | Legorol | I'm late, but I'm excited :D |
| 02:08.02 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure it has been, but not recently, as i think most people assumed everyone who cared, knew |
| 02:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, its nifty :0 |
| 02:08.07 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 02:08.29 | Legorol | Well you do come across things like new professions, major game mechanic changes like no crushing blows etc. |
| 02:08.53 | Legorol | The various ability/talent changes are brought up time and time again... but this seems to be one of those trivial things that everyone just assumed everyone knew :) |
| 02:09.19 | Legorol | It's like when i first asked someone to explain to me what a shot rotation is... they were in trouble because it was kind of assumed that everyone who played a hunter knew what a shot rotation is :) |
| 02:09.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Legorol, they also upped the level cap to 80 |
| 02:09.40 | Neuro_Medivh | just fyi |
| 02:09.48 | Legorol | did they? patch notes say 77 |
| 02:09.50 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 02:09.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Neuro_Medivh++ |
| 02:10.29 | Neuro_Medivh | new pet system seems interesting... no more hunting down some obscure pet in the middle of nowhere to learn Gore 3 |
| 02:10.46 | ccox | Neuro - yeah |
| 02:10.57 | ccox | Neuro - now you hunt down an obscure pet to tame an obscure pet! |
| 02:11.03 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/i-tremble-for-our-children/484 |
| 02:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, thats the best part about it, i think. |
| 02:12.22 | Neuro_Medivh | it'll be easier in leveling a hunter, especially |
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| 02:12.54 | Neuro_Medivh | which I was thinking of doing on a new server, at least till 55, then a DK... my only reservation is that I suspect everyone else will do that too |
| 02:14.21 | NightHawkTheSane | do you actually need a 55 on the same server? i thought you just needed to have a 55 in general |
| 02:15.32 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane is right, i think |
| 02:15.33 | ccox | same server apparently |
| 02:15.37 | Legorol | same server? |
| 02:15.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: now, THIS is a poor guy: http://notalwaysright.com/behind-every-husband-is-a-brutally-honest-wife/216 |
| 02:15.48 | Legorol | hm... now that i think about it, that makes sense in case they open new realms |
| 02:15.58 | ccox | I tried to create a DK on the PTR and couldn't, until I copied over one of my 70s |
| 02:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: yeah.. you're probably right. |
| 02:16.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: wait, you can actually create DKs on the PTR? not beta realms? |
| 02:17.11 | smcn | well, you can play it with the beat client can't you? i imagine that's the only "prereq" to making a dk |
| 02:17.25 | Legorol | your account probably has to be beta flagged |
| 02:17.33 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, possibly. |
| 02:17.42 | Neuro_Medivh | Nighthawk, on "new" servers, you have to have a lvl 55+ on that server to make a DK |
| 02:17.42 | Legorol | i know that my friends who do use the ptr can't make DKs |
| 02:18.04 | Legorol | Neuro_Medivh: ah, does that mean that on old servers you can make a DK by just having a 55 somewhere else? |
| 02:18.38 | Legorol | would make sense if DK creation worked like the limitation on PCT to new realms |
| 02:19.05 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 02:19.18 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, Legorol, a 55 anywhere allows you to make a DK on any transferable server |
| 02:19.33 | Wobin | for $25 |
| 02:19.33 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a perfectly fair restriction, though |
| 02:20.09 | Neuro_Medivh | but I suspect they will open 1-4 new servers with WotLK, and on those new servers, I suspect the majority of players will play to 55 then switch to DK, meaning endgame will be 75% DK |
| 02:20.27 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, it'll balance out over time. |
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| 02:20.51 | ccox | ok, I was wrong - the PTRs have DK grayed out at all times, it wasn't just because I hadn't transferred |
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| 02:27.23 | Syzgyn | Man, Gorefiend is gonna be fun with 1 second lag |
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| 02:27.59 | Wobin | welcome to australia? |
| 02:28.45 | Wobin | our guild slogan used to be "Oceanic Raiders, Doing it one second behind everyone else!" |
| 02:29.12 | Keias | lol |
| 02:29.20 | Keias | I've got a Japanese guy in my guild who says the same thing |
| 02:31.39 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 03:15.59 | Shirik | ahh, nice clean apartment |
| 03:16.03 | Shirik | now the real question: Do I vacuum |
| 03:16.09 | Shirik | at 11:15 AM |
| 03:16.11 | Shirik | PM |
| 03:16.45 | Iriel | Do you have downstairs neighbors? |
| 03:16.55 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:17.04 | Iriel | Probably not then, unless they're out - or dead. |
| 03:17.12 | Iriel | (or you have massive warehouse style concrete floors) |
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| 03:19.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, vacuuming at 11:15 is bad form in an apartment. |
| 03:23.44 | Shirik | problem: I need to get this popcorn off the floor |
| 03:23.51 | Shirik | and I leave at 5 AM tomorrow |
| 03:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i would suggest not spilling it in the first plce? |
| 03:25.37 | Shirik | a bit late for that now! |
| 03:25.57 | NightHawkTheSane | not if you build a time machine. |
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| 03:47.21 | Wobin | man, such a brief zootvisit |
| 03:47.35 | Wobin | we're clearly not chatty enough |
| 03:47.37 | Thunder_Child | hahahahahahaha http://notalwaysright.com/canada-americas-baseball-cap/1029 |
| 03:47.48 | Thunder_Child | sorry for the bold, that was odd |
| 03:50.13 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Firstly, there is no bold in this channel :) Secondly, that's totally how americans are |
| 03:50.15 | Shirik | which is why it's awesome |
| 03:50.26 | Shirik | p.s. canada is totally not a country |
| 03:50.30 | Shirik | despite what Cairenn|afk would have you believe |
| 03:50.41 | Thunder_Child | i have never heard that from an american |
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| 03:50.48 | Shirik | <3 |
| 03:50.49 | Jumpee | lol |
| 03:50.56 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 03:50.59 | Thunder_Child | and Cairenn|afk wins again |
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| 03:52.07 | Shirik | Shirik would win, but he's trying to clean his apartment so he doesn't get evicted while in Detroit |
| 03:52.08 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: Canada's more like America's attic |
| 03:52.16 | ckknight | it's easy to forget that it's up there |
| 03:52.19 | Shirik | for the record though, Canada really is in America |
| 03:52.25 | Shirik | however, USA != America |
| 03:53.18 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 03:53.43 | kd3 | damn it |
| 03:54.00 | Shirik | oh man, this is looking pretty beautiful if I do say so myself |
| 03:54.05 | Shirik | now for some febreeze |
| 03:54.27 | Wobin | there's not too much a ridiculous amount of febreeze can't cover |
| 03:54.43 | Shirik | hm, I found some medication of mine |
| 03:54.48 | Shirik | Date filled: 12/21/2007 |
| 03:54.52 | kd3 | o_O |
| 03:54.53 | Thunder_Child | except more febreeze Wobin |
| 03:55.02 | Shirik | there's still like 20 in there too |
| 03:55.10 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: well you -can- |
| 03:55.26 | Wobin | but you might find it hard to differentiate between the old febreeze and the new |
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| 03:56.59 | Shirik | I also found some birthday candles |
| 03:57.03 | Shirik | I haven't quite figured that one out yet |
| 03:57.21 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, well more like the fact that at a certian amount of febreeze it starts to stink |
| 03:57.28 | Wobin | perhaps... in the last year, you may have had a birthday =) |
| 03:58.10 | Thunder_Child | no, Shirik never ages |
| 03:58.34 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOXnxmlEkY0 |
| 03:58.41 | Tekkub | warning: turn down the volume |
| 03:59.55 | Shirik | I actually got some new stuff I found |
| 03:59.59 | Shirik | Febreeze Extra Strength |
| 04:00.05 | Shirik | I didn't think that was necessary but totally worth it |
| 04:00.17 | Wobin | dear god |
| 04:00.24 | Wobin | what the fuck is that supposed to be? |
| 04:00.48 | Tekkub | inflatable dildo slide? |
| 04:01.06 | Wobin | that would have been my first guess =P |
| 04:01.26 | Wobin | I thought it might be a hotdog, but the colours are all worng |
| 04:01.48 | Syzgyn | Hahaha wow |
| 04:02.00 | Syzgyn | Major props to whatever designer managed to pull that off |
| 04:02.36 | Tekkub | why? it's inflatable so you have to close the end, but theyre needs to be a slit the kids can get out thru |
| 04:02.46 | Tekkub | it's an obvious design! |
| 04:03.35 | Corrodias | i know that when -i- think of kids playing in a park, that's -exactly- the shape that comes to mind. |
| 04:08.13 | NightHawkTheSane | thats because you're a freak, Corrodias |
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| 04:11.15 | Dashkal | Bronzebeard chain in storm peaks is fucking EPIC. |
| 04:12.08 | NightHawkTheSane | is that one quest bugged still? |
| 04:13.26 | Corrodias | is any quest NOT bugged? ;D |
| 04:13.43 | NightHawkTheSane | quite a few, actually |
| 04:17.57 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I just managed to complete it so I'm betting not |
| 04:18.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: cool. that one quest where you had to get the data from the orb thingies around the library was bugged for a little while. >< |
| 04:18.27 | NightHawkTheSane | so im still on that part |
| 04:18.33 | Dashkal | Ahh, that works this build |
| 04:18.38 | NightHawkTheSane | nice. |
| 04:18.52 | Dashkal | If you have any desire to learn the lore you want to complete that chain :p |
| 04:19.01 | Dashkal | The rewards aren't bad either |
| 04:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i do, which is why it sucked that it was bugged. ;) |
| 04:20.06 | Dashkal | Unfortunately, the only non-daily I have left in this zone _is_ bugged this build (the bear desapwns the moment you jump on it) |
| 04:20.24 | Dashkal | Might as well check to see if one of the restarts fixed it... |
| 04:20.50 | End | it does work? |
| 04:20.55 | End | great, I should go do that |
| 04:22.32 | Shirik | Hunters: 1 AP per agi? |
| 04:23.41 | Dashkal | ooo, the bug is even worse on the bear |
| 04:23.45 | Dashkal | now I'm locked in place |
| 04:25.53 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 04:25.58 | Shirik | rawr |
| 04:26.08 | batrick | go log in i dont want no shitty passwords on my server! |
| 04:26.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:27.12 | Shirik | WARNING - POTENTIAL SECURITY BREACH |
| 04:27.16 | Shirik | damn you pissed off ssh |
| 04:28.05 | Shirik | Now, do I trust batrick enough |
| 04:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No? Duh? |
| 04:28.11 | Shirik | someone could theoretically have hacked his irc account |
| 04:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:28 < ScytheBlade1> No? Duh? |
| 04:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:28.43 | Shirik | You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced) |
| 04:28.44 | Shirik | =( |
| 04:28.48 | Shirik | Can I change it to 1? |
| 04:29.01 | Thunder_Child | oh wow http://notalwaysright.com/ah-fathers-part-2/954 |
| 04:29.32 | batrick | Shirik: no! |
| 04:29.46 | Shirik | ok 2 |
| 04:29.57 | Shirik | Aw I don't get a fortune when I log in :( |
| 04:29.59 | Shirik | can I install fortune? |
| 04:30.18 | Shirik | shirik@waterdeep:~$ groups |
| 04:30.18 | Shirik | shirik |
| 04:30.20 | Shirik | ^ Lack of wheel |
| 04:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/one-bad-pickup-line-a-hundred-stitches/9 <-- is well done too |
| 04:31.19 | batrick | Shirik: ill put u in the procrastinator group |
| 04:31.21 | batrick | kay?1 |
| 04:31.24 | Shirik | >< |
| 04:31.32 | batrick | filum is not fixed! |
| 04:31.35 | batrick | i r raged! |
| 04:31.50 | Shirik | you wrote a linux program and expect it to be easily ported to windows |
| 04:31.50 | batrick | batbot is vulnerable due to your shittyness! |
| 04:31.54 | batrick | =) |
| 04:31.57 | Shirik | what?! |
| 04:32.00 | Shirik | I found all the holes :D |
| 04:32.11 | batrick | ya whatever |
| 04:36.17 | Thunder_Child | it's not a person Shirik, it's not as easy |
| 04:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/workin-that-tech-support-magic/145 |
| 04:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 04:37.40 | kd3 | lmao |
| 04:37.47 | Wobin | hm, I'm torn between http://66.150.230.41/thumbman/28/0/316/198x180/sinfestpooch.gif.-m1.png and http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/79799003/2208372 as my avatar |
| 04:38.04 | Wobin | cause Pooch == win |
| 04:38.08 | kd3 | yay sinfest |
| 04:38.11 | Wobin | but chibichromaggus is so cute |
| 04:38.37 | Wobin | I want him as a noncombat pet =) |
| 04:38.42 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Sadly |
| 04:38.50 | Shirik | that's not the first time I've heard of something like that |
| 04:38.51 | End | Wobin: that'd be awesome |
| 04:38.57 | Shirik | in fact, I had a coworker use something similar once |
| 04:39.16 | Shirik | admittedly "packets getting stuck" is a new one |
| 04:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I'd give that guy a raise. Seriously. Fixed the customer AND got him to do something incredibly stupid, all while making the customer perfectly happy |
| 04:39.42 | Shirik | my coworker tried to argue that you need to breathe on the end to make it more moist to improve contact |
| 04:39.43 | ScytheBlade1 | win/*win*/win |
| 04:42.18 | Arrowmaster | i think i just got an A/S/L in russian |
| 04:42.22 | Arrowmaster | via icq |
| 04:43.24 | Wobin | Shirik: that has the danger of them spitting on the end =P |
| 04:43.28 | Wobin | or into the socket |
| 04:44.04 | Shirik | oh well |
| 04:46.41 | Shirik | night night |
| 04:48.16 | batrick | o rly |
| 04:57.43 | Dashkal | Ok, if Varian does what I think he's doing, I'm gonna be voting for the horde when they raid stormwind as well... |
| 04:58.08 | End | he's an asshole |
| 04:58.16 | End | although, someone pointed something interesting out |
| 04:58.21 | Duman | bah, crahsed |
| 04:58.57 | End | Thrall was raised and influenced by humans....Varian recovered his memories and was influenced by orcs in arenas |
| 04:59.34 | kd3 | that still doesn't ok his assholish behavior |
| 04:59.38 | End | no, it doesn't |
| 04:59.42 | kd3 | jaina seriously needs to smack the crap out of him |
| 04:59.42 | End | but it's very interesting |
| 04:59.52 | End | how it makes them like polar opposites |
| 05:01.30 | Dashkal | heh |
| 05:01.36 | Dashkal | I'm just waiting for the damn event to start |
| 05:01.40 | Dashkal | Need more timer |
| 05:02.02 | Dashkal | I already cheer on the horde when they attack darnassus |
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| 05:02.20 | Dashkal | Bronzebeard I'd defend. |
| 05:02.52 | End | well, archdruid needs to die :P |
| 05:03.03 | Corrodias | dwarves are cool |
| 05:03.11 | Corrodias | probably safe. |
| 05:03.56 | Corrodias | a handful of my guildmates and i went after jaina just for shits once after some pvp in the area |
| 05:04.09 | Wobin | When you talk to the archdruid, he's like "bugger off asswipe" |
| 05:04.13 | Corrodias | we forgot that she teleports tanks (like me) outside |
| 05:04.25 | Wobin | when you talk to bronzebeard he's like "what can the dwarves of IF do for you?" |
| 05:04.39 | Corrodias | lolwipe. except me, because i was outside |
| 05:04.45 | Wobin | outside eh? |
| 05:04.54 | Wobin | what would be cool is if she only teleported you laterally |
| 05:04.55 | Dashkal | archdruid definitely needs to die. fucker is already corrupted |
| 05:04.58 | Wobin | which is what I'd do |
| 05:05.10 | Corrodias | i think she dumps you in the water |
| 05:05.20 | Wobin | that's nice of her |
| 05:05.46 | Dashkal | I wonder which old god got him :p (It always seems to be old gods) |
| 05:05.53 | Wobin | they're old |
| 05:05.57 | Wobin | they get bored easily |
| 05:06.20 | End | didn't he lose a son to an old god or something? |
| 05:06.26 | End | or was that a different crazy elf :P |
| 05:06.47 | End | (old god being c'thun in this case, obviously) |
| 05:06.47 | Wobin | all the crazy tends to blur together after a whlie |
| 05:06.51 | End | hehe |
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| 05:10.28 | Dashkal | I think you're right |
| 05:10.33 | Dashkal | I think he was the elf who shattered the staff |
| 05:10.57 | Corrodias | wasnt that the other dude |
| 05:11.05 | Dewin | Hmm the pach 2.4 changes thread is missing |
| 05:11.28 | Dewin | I'm trying to find information about time functions |
| 05:14.23 | End | Valstann was Fandrall Staghelm's son, and Rajaxx executed him. Only with the assistance of the dragonflights were the Silithid turned back |
| 05:14.44 | Thunder_Child | i'm a silithid |
| 05:15.12 | Wobin | I'm a silithid, and so's my wife! |
| 05:15.21 | End | let's see about the scepter though |
| 05:17.03 | End | yeah, Fandral shattered it after the Anachronos gave it to him |
| 05:18.01 | End | s/the // |
| 05:20.56 | End | ah |
| 05:20.59 | End | that's Mistake #1 |
| 05:23.22 | jaxdahl | just hit 102.17% avoidance self buffed |
| 05:23.26 | jaxdahl | on my death knight |
| 05:23.29 | jaxdahl | for about 10 seconds |
| 05:23.31 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:23.48 | Wobin | does that mean when you dodge, your opponent avoids you? |
| 05:26.22 | jaxdahl | heh |
| 05:26.49 | jaxdahl | unbuffed i'm at 20.37% dodge and 20.57% parry, 5.64% miss from defense |
| 05:28.19 | jaxdahl | with unbreakable armor and seal of the pantheon i go from 22916->32214 armor which grants 29 parry rating |
| 05:29.23 | jaxdahl | unbreakable armor also gives a flat 10% parry and lichborne gives 25% miss, frigid dreadplate is a flat 6% miss according to ghostcrawler |
| 05:30.31 | jaxdahl | 0.347% parry from that 29 parry rating at the level i'm at |
| 05:32.32 | jaxdahl | 7.86% from my defender's code |
| 05:33.14 | jaxdahl | and a little more parry and dodge from horn of winter |
| 05:33.53 | jaxdahl | makes stuff like patchwerk really easy for that last 5% |
| 05:39.50 | Fogger | id there a list somewhere of all the functions we cant use in combat? |
| 05:40.48 | Dashkal | Ok, done the event. I really dislike the human king |
| 05:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: srsly. king wrynn is a jerk. |
| 05:43.33 | Dashkal | Very cool quest. Too bad I couldn't act in role. My sword might have accidently found it's way into his back... Heat of the battle. Was an orc, I was fighting someone else. Really... |
| 05:43.53 | Fogger | Why would this line casue taint? f:SetWidth(fs:GetStringWidth()+15+Data.Settings.hearthButtonSize) |
| 05:47.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i think, sometimes, i get too carried away when making sandwiches |
| 05:48.28 | Dashkal | Is it the epic 40 man raid boss of sandwiches? |
| 05:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | sometimes, yes. this sandwich is slightly more modest, because it's almost 11pm, and i don't want to cook anything, or open up too much stuff. |
| 05:49.22 | NightHawkTheSane | it's more like a heroic dungeon sandwich boss. |
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| 05:50.04 | Tem | BAHAHAHAAHHA |
| 05:50.06 | Tem | Okay, so |
| 05:50.08 | Tem | aparently I just had my internet disabled |
| 05:50.12 | Tem | I've downloaded LOADS of crap |
| 05:50.16 | Tem | but guess which one they busted me on? |
| 05:50.23 | Thunder_Child | umm...you are on the internet now sir |
| 05:50.24 | Tem | Fucking Gurren Lagan |
| 05:50.42 | Tem | of everything they could have been pissed at me for |
| 05:50.56 | Tem | the thing I can't legally buy is the one they disabled me for |
| 05:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 05:52.04 | Tem | I just had to call and get them to turn it back on |
| 05:53.07 | Neuro_Medivh | who's your ISP? |
| 05:54.05 | Thunder_Child | i smell comcast |
| 05:54.06 | Neuro_Medivh | quick question: Is there a fedex quest to take you to Storm Peaks and I just missed it, or are you just supposed to show up there |
| 05:54.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: there's one from krasus' landing in dalaran, to k3. |
| 05:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i missed it to until i hit 80, actually |
| 05:55.05 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, I'll go back and look for it |
| 05:56.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hm.. not enough horseradish on this sandwich.. |
| 05:56.59 | Tem | cox |
| 05:57.07 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, cox |
| 05:57.41 | Neuro_Medivh | ack, sorry Tam |
| 05:57.55 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, well, I found one sending me to Icecrown, but isn't storm peaks before icecrown? |
| 05:58.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=12853 |
| 05:59.25 | Tem | who the hell is Tam? |
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| 06:00.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Rand's father, in wheel of time? |
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| 06:00.42 | Dewin | anybody know offhand the format of CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_FACTION_CHANGE? |
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| 06:00.52 | Dewin | wait, I can source dive |
| 06:01.01 | Neuro_Medivh | thanks NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: its just a single argument of the message, i believe |
| 06:01.40 | Dewin | ugh, seriously? |
| 06:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, sadly. |
| 06:02.04 | Dewin | Anybody have any large blunt objects? |
| 06:02.10 | Dewin | I need to go beat Blizzard, and then myself. |
| 06:02.54 | NightHawkTheSane | its not that hard to parse it, though. |
| 06:03.40 | Dewin | But it's localized. |
| 06:03.45 | Dewin | I'm presuming |
| 06:04.05 | Dewin | here I was hoping for something that had the faction name and amount gained conveniently broken out |
| 06:04.42 | jaxdahl | haha, i just hit 50021 armor on my DK |
| 06:04.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yeah, i just used the global string blizz uses, though. |
| 06:05.15 | Dewin | though I suppose I *could* cheat and do what Afterlife Crowd Control does (it has a miscellaneous "auto change rep bar" feature) |
| 06:05.17 | NightHawkTheSane | local faction_up = FACTION_STANDING_INCREASED:gsub("%%s", "(.-)"):gsub("%%d", "(%%d+)") |
| 06:05.34 | NightHawkTheSane | then just do msg:match() with that pattern |
| 06:06.22 | Dewin | hmm |
| 06:07.37 | Dewin | my Lua-fu is still weak, master, I don't entirely know what that does. But I can figure it out somehow probably. |
| 06:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man |
| 06:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a LaTeX plugin for kopete |
| 06:08.25 | Dewin | I'd have to possibly look at FACTION_STANDING_DECREASED too I'm presuming |
| 06:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm totally going to abuse the heck out of that |
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| 06:08.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yes. :) they're global strings |
| 06:09.19 | Dewin | all this to track multiple reputations at once, oi... |
| 06:09.43 | Dewin | I now see why no other addon does it |
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| 06:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | those :gsub() calls simply replace the printf-style formatting characters with appropriate regex patterns to match it properly |
| 06:10.22 | Dewin | Ahh, that tells me a lot :) |
| 06:10.38 | Dewin | I was thinking a less regexpy method. |
| 06:11.00 | NightHawkTheSane | basically, you take blizzards formatting string, turn it into your own regex pattern, and use it to match against the message you get from that event :) |
| 06:12.14 | jaxdahl | do inspiration and ancenstral healing stack? |
| 06:12.25 | Dewin | What happens if the translation for some reason has special regexp characters in it? |
| 06:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: i have no idea. :D |
| 06:13.00 | zenzio | jaxdahl: Ancestral Fortitude, the +armor buff? |
| 06:13.01 | Dewin | I suppose if that happens I can just make a new version :) |
| 06:13.08 | zenzio | or whatever it's called |
| 06:13.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: you could always escape those out of it comes up |
| 06:13.37 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzio: i presume thats what he means, yeah |
| 06:13.38 | Dewin | is there a lua builtin for that or would I have to do it by hand? |
| 06:13.45 | zenzio | jaxdahl: if I recall correctly, they don't stack |
| 06:13.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i think you'd have to do it manually |
| 06:14.02 | Dewin | boo ;) |
| 06:14.16 | Dewin | Of course, I understand why, lua wouldn't be lightweight if it had all 5234890 functions in PVP. |
| 06:14.21 | Dewin | PHP* |
| 06:14.25 | Dewin | wow. |
| 06:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, y eah |
| 06:15.59 | Dewin | actually |
| 06:16.08 | Dewin | since I'm going to have to scan the entire list of reputations anways |
| 06:16.45 | Dewin | OH |
| 06:17.00 | Dewin | .... never mind, COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE has it |
| 06:17.22 | Dewin | arg1 = FACTION, arg2 = 'for faction gain, this is the faction name', arg3 = amount of reputation gained. |
| 06:17.30 | Dewin | I'm assuming arg3 will be negative in the case of loss. |
| 06:17.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 06:17.50 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, there was a reason i didn't use that event, search me if i can remember what it is now, though |
| 06:18.18 | Dewin | I don't suppose "I never thought of it" is the reason |
| 06:18.18 | jaxdahl | zenzio, according to my stats sheet i hit 61876 armor |
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| 06:18.25 | jaxdahl | probably in a raid sometime |
| 06:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: no, because i've got that event commented out in my code :D |
| 06:18.58 | Dewin | If you turn off the combat log (I heard something about doing that) do you still get COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATEs? |
| 06:19.08 | Dewin | oh |
| 06:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't know. |
| 06:19.19 | Dewin | COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE is the floating text, so presumably it doesn't show if you have the gains turned off |
| 06:19.52 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, is it? the event still ought to fire, though |
| 06:20.14 | Dewin | Good point. |
| 06:20.18 | Dewin | I don't have a good way to debug events atm |
| 06:20.28 | Dewin | I'm still working with stone tools |
| 06:20.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ~devtools |
| 06:20.35 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 06:21.00 | Dewin | << A version of DevTools largely updated for WoLK with the notable exception of the chat events code which I'll need to fight with a bit. >> |
| 06:21.08 | Dewin | hmm, regular events still work? |
| 06:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | should, yeah |
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| 06:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and you can always write a basic addon to capture an event and spit out the arguments |
| 06:22.46 | Dewin | yeah, but I'm noob enough where it'd take several /reloadui's to get it right |
| 06:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | so? :) |
| 06:24.36 | Dewin | hmm |
| 06:24.40 | Dewin | easiest way to get/lose rep |
| 06:24.47 | Dewin | Bloodsail Buccaneers I think |
| 06:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | that, or scryer/aldor |
| 06:25.19 | Dewin | exalted aldor already |
| 06:25.39 | NightHawkTheSane | and no toons that arn't? :P |
| 06:28.00 | Dewin | I only have 3 toons on PTR |
| 06:28.04 | Dewin | and 2 are actually the same origin character |
| 06:28.10 | Dewin | and the 3rd is level 40. |
| 06:28.23 | Dewin | besides, like I'm going to be able to get marks of sargeras, HA |
| 06:29.23 | Dewin | The 'other' fun part of this |
| 06:29.34 | Dewin | Is going to be figuring out when you start crafting something, and what tradeskill it is |
| 06:29.49 | Dewin | or skinning, mining, or herbing |
| 06:30.02 | ccox | dewin - just copy the code from other addons that do that |
| 06:30.06 | Wobin | easiest way to gain/lose rep? AV |
| 06:30.42 | ccox | or go do the centaur quests in desolace |
| 06:30.44 | Dewin | ccox: I don't know of any. Wobin: I want to be able to lose/gain rep on demand, not be spammed with it after waiting 30 minutes for a pop |
| 06:30.53 | Dewin | I'm going to do bloodsail buccaneers, same thing |
| 06:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | "Whenever possible, steal code." |
| 06:31.19 | ccox | Dewin - enchantrix grabs some items (you grab the casting) |
| 06:31.36 | ccox | Dewin - or you can watch for the tradeskill window to open and grab the skill code from it |
| 06:33.06 | Dewin | Hmm, tradeskill window would likely work. |
| 06:33.11 | zenzio | jaxdahl: did you ever do that dragon in Karazhan, can't recall the name... the one with crazy stat portals |
| 06:33.12 | Dewin | + watching for skinning/mining/herb |
| 06:33.29 | Wobin | Netherspite? |
| 06:33.49 | ccox | zenzio - netherspite |
| 06:33.51 | Dewin | The idea is if you skin something and you forgot to uncap your skinning it should change to tradeskill mode and happily show [Skinning 150/150 CAPPED] |
| 06:34.01 | zenzio | ccox: that's the one |
| 06:34.12 | ccox | dewin - for mining and herbs, check gatherer code |
| 06:34.25 | ccox | dewin - nice |
| 06:35.15 | Adys | centaurs in desolace are good for losing/gaining rep |
| 06:35.39 | Dewin | or [Skinning 125/150 Trainable] |
| 06:35.50 | Adys | killing any of them gives rep with the opposite and loses some with the killed faction |
| 06:36.02 | Dewin | Adys: Bloodsail work fine and I'm already there ;0 |
| 06:36.11 | nevcairiel | except that desolace is like at the end of the world |
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| 06:36.18 | |Jelly| | 74 attempts. 1 mount. |
| 06:36.42 | |Jelly| | (that dropped on the second attempt I ever did) |
| 06:36.49 | nevcairiel | I got the ram on my first day in there \o/ (didnt see another mount since then) |
| 06:37.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i got the ram last year. |
| 06:37.31 | Syzgyn | I've seen each once, won the wrong one :\ |
| 06:37.40 | Adys | |Jelly|: 118 attempts, 3 kodos 1 ram, none won |
| 06:37.53 | Adys | including one that dropped on the second ever, too |
| 06:38.08 | |Jelly| | So 1 mount per 29.5 runs. I'd be happy with that drop rate, honestly. |
| 06:38.31 | Adys | its quite ok if they didnt have both mounts dropping :( |
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| 06:38.35 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: if blue posts are to be believed, its probably a bit low |
| 06:38.38 | ccox | sadly, the last group I ran it with was, how shall I put this... pathetic |
| 06:38.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Or rather, its a bit below the actual drp rate |
| 06:38.47 | Tekkub | murrr... what to do |
| 06:38.50 | Tekkub | I boredish |
| 06:38.51 | nevcairiel | they shouldnt have given alliance the kodo, it looks so ugly all around ironforge |
| 06:39.02 | |Jelly| | NightHawkTheSane: But 1 drop in 74 attempts :( |
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| 06:39.18 | Adys | yes and no nevcairiel |
| 06:39.25 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: they wouldn't want to deprive the alliance of the JOY of assholes blocking the mailbox with kodos |
| 06:39.42 | nevcairiel | elephants can do that |
| 06:39.44 | Tekkub | ally kodos are smaller |
| 06:39.46 | Tekkub | DUH |
| 06:39.56 | Adys | either give alliance the ram and horde the kodo through the drop only (which wasnt going to happen because of the whole ticket thing last year) |
| 06:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah its always tauren. >< |
| 06:40.19 | Adys | or give opposite mount through drop and faction one from tickets which would have made *sense* |
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| 06:40.32 | Tekkub | really I don't understand the bitch anyway... the kodo are HOLLOW |
| 06:40.34 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: bad luck :\; |
| 06:40.38 | Tekkub | just go inside em |
| 06:40.38 | nevcairiel | that wouldnt solve the ugly-kodo problem Adys |
| 06:40.42 | jaxdahl | zenzio, no |
| 06:40.55 | Adys | nevcairiel: one word: plainsrunning :> |
| 06:40.56 | jaxdahl | this is my DK on beta, i tanked naxx |
| 06:41.36 | zenzio | jaxdahl: oh. Don't know anything about beta, but I don't think AF and Inspiration stack on live, and given the buff changes in 3.0 I don't expect they will there either |
| 06:41.53 | nevcairiel | no they wont =P |
| 06:41.54 | jaxdahl | well those buff changes are mainly for raid wide buffs |
| 06:42.25 | zenzio | yeah, but 2*+15% (isn't that it?) armor would be a bit OP |
| 06:42.46 | jaxdahl | http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s16237 http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s20236 http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s15359 http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s51271 |
| 06:42.51 | jaxdahl | http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s60214 |
| 06:43.03 | Tekkub | people still use thott? |
| 06:43.15 | jaxdahl | it works better for spell data compared to wowhead |
| 06:43.18 | nevcairiel | It didnt stack before, and i doubt it will now. the whole idea was to not force a raid into using specific classes |
| 06:43.21 | nevcairiel | so it doesnt stack |
| 06:43.30 | jaxdahl | LOH is a separate buff |
| 06:43.49 | nevcairiel | LOH yea, but AF and Inspiration not |
| 06:43.51 | jaxdahl | so, ancestral fort, inspiration, unbreakable armor, looks like those wouldn't stack |
| 06:44.02 | jaxdahl | or if they do, would that be a flat +75% buff? |
| 06:44.15 | zenzio | think so |
| 06:44.16 | jaxdahl | rather than +25%**3 |
| 06:44.29 | jaxdahl | i need to find a shaman or priest |
| 06:44.32 | zenzio | how much armor does your DK normally have? |
| 06:44.40 | jaxdahl | 23963 base |
| 06:45.13 | jaxdahl | http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s61261 |
| 06:45.26 | jaxdahl | erm, this one: http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s48263 |
| 06:45.36 | jaxdahl | same effect as LOH, it stacks |
| 06:45.46 | zenzio | where are you getting the 61k value from, did you see it, or is it in the statistics pane of the achievements window? |
| 06:46.14 | nevcairiel | frost presence is a replacement for your lack of a shield |
| 06:46.23 | jaxdahl | stats, zenzio |
| 06:46.35 | jaxdahl | i suspect it happened sometime while i was tanking naxx |
| 06:46.43 | jaxdahl | perhaps on patchwerk or faerlina frenzy |
| 06:46.53 | zenzio | jaxdahl: too vague, was that a "yes" to my question or a "my normal character sheet stats window"? |
| 06:47.05 | jaxdahl | stats pane of achievements window |
| 06:47.15 | zenzio | I'm not sure that pane is right at the moment, mine (on PTR) shows a max of 30k-ish, but I've only just copied the character and only have 17k |
| 06:47.33 | zenzio | unless they already previously stored your highest values |
| 06:47.39 | jaxdahl | doubt that |
| 06:47.45 | jaxdahl | highest value i've actually seen in the character pane is 50021 |
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| 06:48.34 | jaxdahl | highest hp is 54393, which is from the undercity invasion quest |
| 06:48.51 | jaxdahl | some of the stats are incorrect, that much i know |
| 06:49.32 | jaxdahl | ie, lower than i've seen |
| 06:49.41 | Tekkub | 02. æ¤æ¾ä¼¸å¤« - [Dear Friends: Music From Final Fantasy #02] Zanarkand |
| 06:49.43 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.56 | Dewin | There doesn't seem to be any restrictions on COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE firing, so I think it will suit my purposes nicely |
| 06:50.11 | Dewin | Tekkub: I went to a Play! concert |
| 06:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: eh? |
| 06:50.36 | Tekkub | I don't know, Zanarkand always made me sad |
| 06:50.40 | Dewin | ^ |
| 06:50.51 | Syzgyn | I saw that in concert way back when Tek :) |
| 06:50.56 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough. i havn't played 10 in so long. |
| 06:51.11 | Dewin | I ended up sitting in front of Jeremy Soule (did the music to Oblivion) and in the same row as Martin O'Donnell (Halo) |
| 06:51.14 | jaxdahl | weird.. i had 400 some defense rating in the achievements, but i know i've had over 700, so i put my tank gear, which has 695, and it just updated to 72... |
| 06:51.16 | jaxdahl | 722.. |
| 06:51.31 | Syzgyn | NHTS: <$75 |
| 06:51.33 | Tekkub | Halo's music was always good too |
| 06:51.38 | Tekkub | don't know about obliv's |
| 06:51.42 | Dewin | Decent |
| 06:51.53 | Dewin | The orchestra did a world of warcraft medley which sounded awesome too |
| 06:51.55 | jaxdahl | kind of like i have to have my char sheet open for the stats to update.. |
| 06:51.57 | Tekkub | Halo 3's music was the best part of the game, frankly |
| 06:52.06 | Dewin | Stormwind music in full orchestra = fun :) |
| 06:52.19 | Tekkub | SW is fail, how can they un-fail it? |
| 06:52.45 | Tekkub | can a full orchestra make up for such a shitty city |
| 06:53.30 | jaxdahl | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html;jsessionid=CC9F6A76EF834019362EA992334DAD3D.app03_04?topicId=1422202322&sid=1 |
| 06:53.37 | jaxdahl | this says ancestral fort and inspiration stack |
| 06:53.45 | jaxdahl | and also says they don't |
| 06:53.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: hm, really? might be a not to bad investment to get one, and get it modded. |
| 06:54.07 | Syzgyn | I guesstimated |
| 06:54.20 | Syzgyn | I bought one used a few years ago for $100 with some games |
| 06:54.46 | Syzgyn | New would be more of course |
| 06:55.11 | zenzio | jaxdahl: I've had a break from raiding for a few months, but at least this spring/early summer AF and Inspiration did not stack as far as I can remember |
| 06:57.36 | Tekkub | Armor Increase Percentage Buff: Inspiration, Ancestral Healing |
| 06:57.39 | Tekkub | they won't stack |
| 06:57.44 | Tekkub | end of discussion :P |
| 06:58.04 | jaxdahl | can you post the link so i can bookmark it? |
| 06:58.05 | jaxdahl | thanks |
| 06:58.16 | Tekkub | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=14214.0 |
| 06:58.21 | jaxdahl | zenzio, http://jax2.zenblue.net/dk/items.htm updated my tank gear, this may interest you |
| 06:58.25 | Tekkub | lists every one out, nicely class-colored |
| 06:58.59 | jaxdahl | Tekkub i suspect unbreakable armor wouldn't stack either, since it's the same internal spell data |
| 06:59.09 | zenzio | Tekkub: nice link, cheers |
| 06:59.32 | Tekkub | unbreakable armor isn't a raid-wide buff though right? |
| 06:59.36 | jaxdahl | self buff |
| 06:59.41 | jaxdahl | not raid wide |
| 06:59.51 | Tekkub | well they go imp moonkin and such |
| 06:59.51 | jaxdahl | still can't find a shaman or priest in dalaran |
| 07:00.14 | Tekkub | so yea I'd guess, if it's a "Armor inc %" it shouldn't |
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| 07:01.54 | Syzgyn | How useful do you think a mod that would track what debuffs on a mob stacked and didnt would be? |
| 07:02.17 | Tekkub | for what point, to bitch out people wasting mana? |
| 07:02.21 | zenzio | hm, Commanding Shout is raid-wide in beta (3.0?), right? And gives almost 1000 more HP than Blood Pact... what will happen to all the poor imps now? :-o |
| 07:02.33 | Dewin | they don't stack? |
| 07:02.38 | Thunder_Child | they will be something more usefull? |
| 07:02.53 | zenzio | "Health Buff: Commanding Shout, Blood Pact" -- from the link Tekkub posted |
| 07:03.10 | Syzgyn | Dont imps do good damage now? |
| 07:03.27 | zenzio | I wouldn't know, all I know how to play is a warrior |
| 07:03.30 | Tekkub | Improved Imp - Does more damage now |
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| 07:05.52 | jaxdahl | this is very annoying right now: Attack Power Buff (Flat Add): Battle Shout, Blessing of Might |
| 07:06.09 | jaxdahl | battle shout = 20 yard range base, lasts 2 minutes |
| 07:06.19 | jaxdahl | it removes blessing of might |
| 07:06.47 | jaxdahl | so warriors have to be told not to use it or use commanding shout instead if we have a paladin buffing might |
| 07:06.49 | Tekkub | they're not supposed to REMOVE |
| 07:07.00 | Tekkub | just the "best" one is applied |
| 07:07.14 | jaxdahl | it apparently removes it at this time. |
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| 07:08.37 | jaxdahl | yay found a shaman |
| 07:08.41 | jaxdahl | testing in a minute |
| 07:08.45 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: thats not really terribly difficult to work out. if you have 2 warriors, pallies can buff something else. if you only have one, he does commanding, and pallies buff might |
| 07:08.45 | Tekkub | If a player has Fel Intelligence and receives a stronger Arcane Intellect buff, he will gain the intellect value from Arcane Intellect and the spirit value from Fel Intelligence |
| 07:09.24 | jaxdahl | NightHawkTheSane, sometimes the warrior has downs |
| 07:09.26 | Tekkub | I'd /bug it if they're removing buffs, cause they certainly made it out that buffs wouldn't overwrite others, just tha tonly one would have an effect |
| 07:09.38 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: get a less dumb warrior? |
| 07:10.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: agreed, buffs ought not to be removed. but still it's not an unmitigated failure :p |
| 07:10.17 | jaxdahl | 35807 armor |
| 07:10.37 | jaxdahl | ^^^ ancestral fort+unbreakable armor |
| 07:10.44 | jaxdahl | 28644 armor = unbreakable OR ancestral fort |
| 07:11.07 | Tekkub | well, it wasn't listed |
| 07:11.12 | Tekkub | so I guess that's not a bug |
| 07:11.18 | Tekkub | working as intended |
| 07:12.14 | jaxdahl | looks like i can hit 55k+ easily then |
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| 07:13.27 | jaxdahl | way over the 75% cap, but it provides extra strength and parry, heh |
| 07:15.22 | Tekkub | 09. æ¤æ¾ä¼¸å¤« - [Dear Friends: Music From Final Fantasy #09] Not Alone |
| 07:15.24 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.21 | Tekkub | 10. æ¤æ¾ä¼¸å¤« - [Dear Friends: Music From Final Fantasy #10] Ronfaure |
| 07:17.25 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.30 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.52 | Tekkub | I miss that world, why did the game mechanics have to blow such a fat one? |
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| 07:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't mind the mechanics.. |
| 07:22.38 | Tekkub | I minded being forced into a party just to level |
| 07:22.50 | Tekkub | a full, well balanced party |
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| 07:23.46 | Dewin | Tekkub: As opposed to playing a massively MULTIplayer online RPG solo? |
| 07:23.55 | Tekkub | I don't play solo |
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| 07:24.16 | Tekkub | solo time I spend coding |
| 07:24.19 | Cinual | excuse me, i just downloaded cosmos, and was wondering how do i use the thottbot in game? |
| 07:24.40 | Dewin | Cinual: AFAIK the thottbot addon gathers data for thottbot, it doesn't let you retrieve info from thottbot |
| 07:24.51 | Cinual | DAng |
| 07:25.00 | Dewin | Addons can't communicate with the outside world. |
| 07:25.29 | Cinual | Alllllrrrriigghhhtttt i figured it was the internet, it would create it's own port and connect to the website and show me quests |
| 07:25.39 | Cinual | butttt i am wrong |
| 07:25.41 | Cinual | thank you |
| 07:25.51 | Dewin | Adys: In general it's a safe assumption |
| 07:25.55 | Adys | hehe |
| 07:25.57 | Dewin | I realize there are a few tricks |
| 07:26.24 | Dewin | Actually one I thought of the other day was saving temporary keybinds multiple times to get data out |
| 07:26.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: i dont think that really counts :p |
| 07:26.42 | Dewin | Nighthawk: What if instead of keeping system time, you had an outside addon set the clock to a specific time |
| 07:26.51 | Dewin | and then had an addon act based on what time it was? |
| 07:26.54 | Dewin | It counts. |
| 07:27.02 | Dewin | outside program* rather |
| 07:27.16 | Dewin | sure, you lose a bit of resolution, but it could be done |
| 07:27.30 | Tekkub | ... people still use cosmos... and thott? |
| 07:27.44 | Dewin | I use cosmos to go from zero addons to some starting point |
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| 09:17.25 | Arrowmaster | hmm my torrent ip blocklist log has hits from 'DoD Network Information Center' in it....... |
| 09:27.12 | haste | Arrowmaster: most of the blocklists are horribly faulty tho' |
| 09:29.46 | starlon | haste: got a moment? |
| 09:30.35 | haste | starlon: yes |
| 09:30.45 | starlon | There's an issue with cpoints.lua and changing targets. Since PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED is only registered for the target frame, and cpoints.lua has the player unit constraint, CPoints never gets updated when you change targets. |
| 09:31.16 | starlon | One other thing. In WotLK, phase 3 of the Malygos encounter is done while riding dragons. These dragons are your pet unit. They use combo points, but cpoints.lua filters out every unit but player. Could you allow the pet unit through? |
| 09:31.49 | haste | I just wrote what blizzard had supported at that time |
| 09:32.29 | haste | I can take a look at it tomorrow or so, but I'm not sure how much I can get done |
| 09:32.36 | starlon | ok |
| 09:32.38 | Ycarene | Looks like they may be resetting gold when the expansion comes out. |
| 09:32.44 | Neuro_Medivh | no they aren't |
| 09:33.25 | Neuro_Medivh | unless they're trying to simulate current wall street conditions in the virtual economy |
| 09:33.41 | jnwhiteh | why on earth would you thin they're resetting gold? |
| 09:33.55 | haste | they've already simulated disease, why not the wall street also :D ? |
| 09:34.05 | Ycarene | They're resetting honor and marks, seems to be the logical extension of that. |
| 09:34.10 | jnwhiteh | no, it doesn't at all |
| 09:34.18 | AnduinLothar | honor and marks are pvp.. |
| 09:34.20 | jnwhiteh | that'd be ludicrious |
| 09:34.31 | jnwhiteh | we already knew they were resetting arena, honor and marks are a logical extension of THAT |
| 09:34.43 | jnwhiteh | because it can be stockpiled, and could severely tip the scales when people hit 80 |
| 09:34.50 | jnwhiteh | gold will always be able to be stockpiled |
| 09:35.03 | jnwhiteh | and won't likely provide anyone with as large of an advantage |
| 09:35.05 | Ycarene | Theres an overlap of equipment where one resource can purchase items useful in the other aspect of the game (pvp weapons do well in pve environements for example) |
| 09:35.24 | jnwhiteh | yes, but that doesn't go in reverse |
| 09:35.34 | jnwhiteh | because gold in itself isn't useful unless the items are available to you |
| 09:35.52 | jnwhiteh | is getting 22 slots bags going to be a harmful advantage to those people who have stockpiled gold? no! |
| 09:36.15 | Ycarene | PvE crafted weapons play pretty heavily in PvP |
| 09:36.22 | jnwhiteh | crafted |
| 09:36.27 | jnwhiteh | therefore items need to be farmed |
| 09:36.30 | jnwhiteh | and skill need to be gained |
| 09:36.32 | jnwhiteh | and recipes farmed |
| 09:36.48 | jnwhiteh | thus, gold has a lesser impact on the availability of those items |
| 09:36.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Ycarene, gold in game only has value based on what you can buy from the vendors |
| 09:37.08 | Fisker- | why so haste ? |
| 09:37.20 | Neuro_Medivh | if there were nothing you could buy from vendors, then gold would have almost no use |
| 09:38.07 | Neuro_Medivh | but arena points, as a non-transferable medium, have locked value |
| 09:38.43 | jnwhiteh | there are two choices when you want to reset a market.. introduce a new currency (look at badges) or reset the amount each person has. |
| 09:38.43 | Neuro_Medivh | and you would either have to deflate the value, or reset the points. Forced capitalization. |
| 09:38.50 | jnwhiteh | Resetting people's gold could never work |
| 09:39.05 | jnwhiteh | They would instead introduce a new currency, with a sink for the previous one |
| 09:39.16 | Neuro_Medivh | for gold, all you have to do is add another gold sink |
| 09:39.44 | Neuro_Medivh | in this case, it's Cold Weather Flying (minor sink) + Dalaran Rings |
| 09:39.57 | nevcairiel | gran caravan mammoth! |
| 09:40.08 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, how much is that? |
| 09:40.11 | nevcairiel | 17k |
| 09:40.15 | Neuro_Medivh | Wow |
| 09:40.20 | Neuro_Medivh | the hog is only 5g |
| 09:40.30 | Neuro_Medivh | but that'll change to craftable I'm sure |
| 09:40.30 | nevcairiel | the hog will be crafted in live |
| 09:40.43 | nevcairiel | anyway, i hate that cold weather flying is a trainer spell now |
| 09:40.47 | nevcairiel | the quest was kinda fun |
| 09:41.09 | Neuro_Medivh | they needed another minor cash sink |
| 09:41.16 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm amazed it's only 1k |
| 09:41.23 | Neuro_Medivh | I figured they'd make it 2-5k |
| 09:41.24 | Ycarene | I thought cold weather flying was something like 700gold. |
| 09:41.35 | nevcairiel | they said they wouldnt make it expensive |
| 09:41.45 | nevcairiel | if they did it anyway, wouldve been some flame |
| 09:42.04 | zenzio | do you need epic flight skill to learn cold weather flying? |
| 09:42.05 | Neuro_Medivh | the real problem is dailies |
| 09:42.08 | Neuro_Medivh | no |
| 09:42.27 | Ycarene | There's quite a few areas that you need a flying mount to get to, not the least of which is storm peaks. |
| 09:42.57 | nevcairiel | storm peaks is impossible to do without flying =P |
| 09:43.02 | nevcairiel | icecrown is damn hard |
| 09:43.07 | nevcairiel | all other zones can be done without |
| 09:43.42 | Ycarene | I've played games before, though, that every few years would do a complete pwipe to even the playing field out. |
| 09:44.34 | nevcairiel | i doubt they would ever do that |
| 09:44.54 | jnwhiteh | I don't think Blizzard has ever done something like that in their RPGs |
| 09:45.19 | jnwhiteh | and making a change to 11 millions subscribers accounts would likely cause a few problems |
| 09:45.24 | nevcairiel | the only thing that comes close to that is the ladder system in diablo2 |
| 09:45.32 | Neuro_Medivh | Ycarene, those are all free type games |
| 09:45.35 | Ycarene | I thought they did that for diablos for chars stored server side. |
| 09:45.40 | Neuro_Medivh | no commercial MMO has done that |
| 09:45.47 | Nom- | Hmm... anyone know how to open these new .pub files ? |
| 09:45.52 | jnwhiteh | but even that, you retain the skill that you gained as a result of playing, so it made sense |
| 09:46.36 | nevcairiel | the only thing they did in diablo2 was move chars from ladder to non-ladder, virtually resetting the ladder games to a zero state. but thats it |
| 09:46.40 | nevcairiel | afaik, anyway |
| 09:48.07 | Fisker- | Herr nevcairiel |
| 09:49.21 | nevcairiel | meh my background downloader cant connect to the blizzard tracker |
| 09:49.28 | jnwhiteh | i can't either |
| 09:53.10 | Fisker- | new patch data? |
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| 10:34.52 | ReAn | anyone else bored out of thier skulls? |
| 10:35.16 | Ycarene | eyep |
| 10:48.31 | ReAn | i spy with my little eye, something that is.... canadian! |
| 10:48.44 | ReAn | ...what could it be... |
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| 10:59.50 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy :-o You're early |
| 11:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | I am. I've been up since 6, due to cat aggro. |
| 11:00.24 | zenzio | your own cat? |
| 11:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. |
| 11:03.03 | ReAn | be thankfull you're not like my friend |
| 11:03.06 | ReAn | his gf just moved in |
| 11:03.15 | ReAn | and her cat likes to use his nose to sharpen her claws |
| 11:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | If she did that, we could work it out. Water bottle, suddenly flying through the air... cats learn not to do that. Moose was freaking out over some kind of animal outside on the porch. Loudly. At great length. |
| 11:04.35 | ReAn | that's why you throw a bottle at the cat when it freaks out @ something outside |
| 11:05.22 | Lopeppeppy | I was afraid she was dying herself, she sounded *hideous*. But nope. I don't even know what was freaking her out, it was gone when I turned on the porch light. |
| 11:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | So here I sit, up 2 hours before I have to be, cuddling an insecure cat who thinks Satan is still outside the window. Keeps growling at the curtains. |
| 11:06.30 | ReAn | take the cat into another room? |
| 11:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* And lose some fingers in the process? She's protecting me from the Ancient Evil Outdoors. How can I object to her being territorial and protective? |
| 11:07.42 | Lopeppeppy | At least she's not howling like she's in a death match with a raccoon anymore. |
| 11:08.19 | ReAn | i say, go back to sleep, 2 hours is worth it |
| 11:08.37 | Lopeppeppy | 45 minutes at this point. Took a while for the adrenaline to wind down! |
| 11:10.50 | ReAn | at least it's a cat |
| 11:10.57 | ReAn | dogs are a pain in different ways |
| 11:11.06 | ReAn | like waking up and stepping in a puddle / pattie |
| 11:12.01 | Arrowmaster | or waking up with a dog ass in your face everyday |
| 11:12.29 | Arrowmaster | i know 2 people that have to deal with that |
| 11:12.34 | ReAn | speaking from experience Arrowmaster? |
| 11:12.35 | ReAn | ah |
| 11:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | My cat is usually so quiet and well-mannered that when she pulls crap like this, is scares me to death. I really expected her to be lying dead on my living room floor, the way she was carrying on. |
| 11:14.30 | Arrowmaster | goodnight |
| 11:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well! |
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| 11:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn, guys! *wave* |
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| 11:31.58 | ReAn | nn everyone |
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| 14:03.30 | Shirik | rawr |
| 14:03.40 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 14:03.54 | Shirik | mew |
| 14:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
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| 14:06.18 | Shirik2 | ~fail wireless |
| 14:06.19 | purl | wireless, you Fail! |
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| 14:06.52 | Shirik | I have like no signal here :( |
| 14:07.17 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
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| 14:19.47 | kneeki | Is 'if i == 13 or 25 or 37 then' the correct way I should do that? |
| 14:19.54 | kneeki | It seems to easy |
| 14:20.25 | alestane | In Lua? You want to check if i is equal to any of those values? No. |
| 14:20.42 | kneeki | Figures. =p |
| 14:20.50 | kneeki | How should I do that then? |
| 14:21.12 | alestane | Two ways...the wordier but better-performance way is "if i == 13 or i == 25 or i == 37 then" |
| 14:21.13 | kneeki | 'if i == 13 or i == 25 or i == 37 then' ? |
| 14:21.20 | kneeki | ah ok |
| 14:22.04 | alestane | Three really...You can also use "if {[13] = true, [25] = true, [37] = true}[i] then" or "if i % 12 == 1 then" |
| 14:22.30 | alestane | Although the last one will also return true for 1, 49, 61, etc. |
| 14:22.38 | kneeki | Yeah, which isn't a problem |
| 14:23.15 | kneeki | thanks =) |
| 14:23.44 | Throngy | can i ask what it's for? racking my brains to think where that pattern might apply :) |
| 14:23.55 | alestane | An action bar probably. |
| 14:24.02 | alestane | Or a stack of action bars. |
| 14:24.04 | kneeki | Haha |
| 14:24.06 | Throngy | ofc |
| 14:24.10 | kneeki | exactly alestane |
| 14:24.25 | Throngy | hehe nice guess :) |
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| 14:25.58 | alestane | Needs to know when to start the new row of buttons, like a typewriter. |
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| 14:26.16 | kneeki | Needs to know when to start positioning them anyway |
| 14:26.28 | kneeki | For spells missing from the spell book =) |
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| 14:40.07 | Kajas | If I wanted to find the number of experience I've accumulated in rest, how would I find that? |
| 14:42.05 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetXPExhaustion |
| 14:42.29 | zenzelezz | (I think) |
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| 15:30.38 | Industrial | mwahaha |
| 15:30.50 | Industrial | i see this same level (56) lock killing stuff with a voidwalker |
| 15:30.52 | Industrial | so hes destro |
| 15:30.58 | Industrial | getting aggro, getting hit, losing mana etc |
| 15:31.16 | Industrial | so I laugh at him and kill like 5 mobs in front hof him at the same time 9cause im affliction) |
| 15:31.20 | Industrial | priceless =D |
| 15:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | meanie |
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| 16:06.12 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1 ? |
| 16:06.44 | Maldivia | "Servers down. New build on the way. ETA is a few hours. " - Tigole |
| 16:07.29 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 16:07.37 | Industrial | omgliek3.0liveliekYES? |
| 16:07.43 | Industrial | ornoes :< |
| 16:07.50 | nevcairiel | ~lart Industrial |
| 16:07.50 | purl | raises middle finger to Industrial |
| 16:08.06 | nevcairiel | hm thats kinda harsh =P |
| 16:08.14 | zenzelezz | nah |
| 16:08.18 | zenzelezz | he had it coming |
| 16:09.13 | Industrial | wha-e-vah |
| 16:09.17 | Maldivia | like the count-down :) |
| 16:10.01 | nevcairiel | hehe i like those accelarted countdowns |
| 16:10.13 | nevcairiel | *accelerated |
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| 16:10.23 | nevcairiel | like they cant just shut down a server |
| 16:10.30 | nevcairiel | they have to hack the countdown to speed up =P |
| 16:10.47 | Maldivia | if only they could do the same to server lag :) |
| 16:10.55 | nevcairiel | Hope for some druid changes |
| 16:11.08 | Maldivia | go wild growth buff and balance tweaks!! |
| 16:11.17 | Maldivia | and fix for seed |
| 16:11.31 | Maldivia | *crosses fingers* |
| 16:11.31 | nevcairiel | they still need to do something about replenish |
| 16:11.37 | nevcairiel | right now its totally useless |
| 16:12.14 | Maldivia | and seed - the 30% of effective healing done is kind of bad |
| 16:12.32 | Maldivia | wee, I crit regrowth for 10k... but a pally had just healed, so my seed is worth 0 healing :| |
| 16:12.42 | nevcairiel | its effective? |
| 16:12.42 | nevcairiel | man |
| 16:12.45 | nevcairiel | i thought it was total |
| 16:13.29 | Maldivia | so did I, until I tested it |
| 16:13.58 | Sixen | yeay! |
| 16:14.00 | Sixen | Purl's alive! |
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| 16:16.30 | jaxdahl | nice, they're doing a patch early in the day for once? |
| 16:16.50 | erikd | shirik: are you around? |
| 16:16.59 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: I like late patches better |
| 16:17.09 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: that's usually when I go to sleep :) |
| 16:18.01 | erikd | does anyone know of a cross platform daemon-like service wrapper? (I was hoping to use QtService but apparently it's not availble in the open source version) |
| 16:18.06 | erikd | for c++, that is |
| 16:23.49 | nevcairiel | Tigole is great, he even posted pre-lim patch changes :) |
| 16:24.56 | nevcairiel | best line ever: --Many class changes. You won't like the ones made to your own class but you'll think the changes made to the 9 other classes are all overpowered. |
| 16:26.05 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: yeah, laughed at that aswell |
| 16:27.40 | jaxdahl | waiiiiiiiiiiiiit a minute |
| 16:27.54 | cog|away | zomg! why did no one tell me about account bound murky!!!!!! |
| 16:28.05 | nevcairiel | cog|work: we thought you pay attention |
| 16:28.35 | cog|work | well that's just silly |
| 16:28.39 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:28.42 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:28.48 | Maldivia | cogwheel... paying attention... psh... |
| 16:28.54 | cog|work | srsly |
| 16:28.54 | nevcairiel | its been discussed here in length too |
| 16:29.06 | erikd | anyone know if capping inscription on the ptr at 150 is intentional or a bug? (i've read around it's a bug but i figured someone might have seen something for sure) |
| 16:29.15 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 16:29.20 | nevcairiel | one guy in my guild has it at 400 |
| 16:29.20 | cog|work | nevcairiel: that would also require paying attention :P |
| 16:29.30 | erikd | on the ptr? o.O |
| 16:29.34 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 16:29.35 | nevcairiel | no in beta |
| 16:29.39 | erikd | ah |
| 16:29.49 | nevcairiel | its supposed to be capped at 375 on ptr |
| 16:29.53 | erikd | i used up all my xfers to beta so i can't get my herbs moved to beta =/ |
| 16:30.04 | erikd | ah, that's good news |
| 16:30.18 | erikd | i'm trying to see if i have enough herbs to max inscription yet :) |
| 16:30.21 | nevcairiel | all the good glyphs are at 400 =( |
| 16:30.45 | Maldivia | all the good glyphs are discovered now :| |
| 16:30.49 | nevcairiel | "The original name for Northrend was Blizzneyland. True story. " - Tigole |
| 16:31.06 | Fisker- | your mom |
| 16:31.18 | erikd | is the swiftmend glyph 400? |
| 16:31.24 | Lonny` | Can anyone help me with a simple regex http://wowi.pastey.net/96667 |
| 16:31.25 | erikd | nm, i'll look it up :) |
| 16:31.27 | nevcairiel | the regrowth glyph is 400 |
| 16:31.29 | nevcairiel | sad story |
| 16:31.40 | Maldivia | and it's a mighty fine glyph! |
| 16:31.48 | Maldivia | like the switfmend one aswell |
| 16:31.57 | Fisker- | seems kinda pointless to level restrict glyphs btw |
| 16:32.03 | nevcairiel | i'm still playing around with which glyphs to get |
| 16:32.18 | nevcairiel | definately regrowth right now |
| 16:32.27 | nevcairiel | and probably lifebloom |
| 16:32.28 | Fisker- | paladins have like ~0 useful ones |
| 16:32.29 | erikd | damn, swiftmend is taught in northrend |
| 16:32.36 | Fisker- | I might be getting the FoL one though |
| 16:32.40 | erikd | no op glyphs for me on 3.0 |
| 16:32.50 | jaxdahl | Lonny`, you're missing a whitespace check |
| 16:32.59 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: thinking regrowth, lifebloom and swiftmend |
| 16:33.09 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: HT isn't really worth getting as resto |
| 16:33.20 | nevcairiel | I'll probably get HT before expansion |
| 16:33.26 | erikd | HT is going to KILL you |
| 16:33.31 | erikd | (or rather people in your party) |
| 16:33.41 | erikd | NS HT with the glyph = no heal |
| 16:33.42 | nevcairiel | 1.0s HT cast, haha |
| 16:33.58 | jaxdahl | i'm going to miss my DK's gear |
| 16:34.03 | jaxdahl | when it all goes into the bit ether |
| 16:34.16 | jaxdahl | nearly full epic tank set |
| 16:34.20 | nevcairiel | yah loosing high NS is kinda a downside :( |
| 16:34.36 | Lonny` | Hmm I tried using %s and it gives me something like <t>abc abc abc</t> instead of Abc Abc Abc out of gsub |
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| 16:35.33 | erikd | i was doing some instance with a spriest who was pulling aggro and i went to NS HT them with the glyph when they were taking a lot of damage and it didn't do any good |
| 16:35.40 | erikd | that was enough to convince me |
| 16:36.23 | jaxdahl | was the spriest in t6? |
| 16:36.31 | jaxdahl | with like 12000 hp |
| 16:37.53 | erikd | it was one of vodka's spriests |
| 16:39.06 | jaxdahl | i was tanking a 5 man on my DK last night, had a warlock, priest, and paladin (blood pact, fort, kings), hit 32k hp |
| 16:39.17 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 16:39.45 | erikd | wow |
| 16:39.48 | cbreak | bc doubled my hp |
| 16:40.00 | jaxdahl | i'm at 25k unbuffed |
| 16:40.05 | cbreak | wotlk probably does the same |
| 16:40.07 | jaxdahl | i also hit over 50k armor with unbreakable armor and LOH |
| 16:40.08 | erikd | i was surprised at how high my druid's was at and i'm only at like 13-14k |
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| 16:40.31 | jaxdahl | tauren druid tanks are going to have pretty insane health levels i think |
| 16:40.38 | jaxdahl | approaching 40k |
| 16:41.12 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/dk/items.htm here's my tank gear stats |
| 16:41.15 | cbreak | pre or post racial nerf? |
| 16:41.21 | jaxdahl | post |
| 16:41.29 | jaxdahl | the racial is still pretty good |
| 16:41.42 | nevcairiel | what does it do anyway? |
| 16:41.59 | jaxdahl | right now it's a 10% buff to hp isn't it? |
| 16:42.22 | nevcairiel | absolute? base? post-gear-pre-buffs? |
| 16:42.31 | jaxdahl | 5% |
| 16:43.19 | nevcairiel | i bet its on base |
| 16:43.23 | nevcairiel | or it would be too OP |
| 16:43.27 | jaxdahl | post-wotlk is 5% base |
| 16:43.32 | cbreak | it is apparently not on base, but |
| 16:43.33 | jaxdahl | pre is 5% total hp |
| 16:43.41 | cbreak | something like on base + green gear |
| 16:43.41 | jaxdahl | http://thottbot.com/s20550 |
| 16:43.45 | nevcairiel | 5% on base is nothing |
| 16:43.45 | jaxdahl | http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s20550 |
| 16:43.52 | jaxdahl | they said it has some scaling somehow though |
| 16:43.58 | jaxdahl | but i don't know if that has been implemented |
| 16:44.17 | jaxdahl | so that with green gear you'd have about 5% |
| 16:44.41 | nevcairiel | Like any other racials are actually usable, they should not do that =P |
| 16:50.54 | cog|work | i'm sorry... i'm on the customer's side with this one ... http://notalwaysright.com/hulk-smash-weasel-customer/826 |
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| 16:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | Having dealt with such mirco rules lawyers before, two items may be equivalent, that doesn't make them the same, therefore pricing may vary. |
| 16:53.39 | cog|work | but he's only getting half as much of each individual topping |
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| 16:54.06 | cog|work | even if the prices were different on the toppings, he still shouldn't have to pay for full portions of each one |
| 16:54.34 | Sixen | cog|food? |
| 16:54.38 | Sixen | Foodwheel. |
| 16:54.51 | cog|work | 09:50 <+cog|work> i'm sorry... i'm on the customer's side with this one ... http://notalwaysright.com/hulk-smash-weasel-customer/826 |
| 16:55.10 | cog|work | (right before you joined) |
| 16:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | Then he should order two individual pizzas if that's what he wants. |
| 16:55.34 | Lopeppeppy | Equivalent is not equal. |
| 16:55.41 | Sixen | @cog: Wow.. |
| 16:55.44 | Sixen | That's stupid. |
| 16:55.52 | Sixen | Technically it's 3 toppings throughout the whole pizza. |
| 16:56.02 | Duman | omg new build |
| 16:56.20 | Sixen | nowai? |
| 16:56.28 | Dashkal | Hrm, wish they had done the glyph vendor idea earlier... Oh well, gues sI can stop grinding inscription |
| 16:56.46 | jaxdahl | i'm a little confused by that article |
| 16:56.46 | cbreak | glyph vendor? |
| 16:56.54 | jaxdahl | it sounds like a phone caller at the beginning? |
| 16:56.56 | Duman | --We're working on getting a beta Glyph vendor in the build so you guys will have quick and easy access to all of the glyphs for feedback. That system *might* make this push. |
| 16:56.57 | Dashkal | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043244013-all-servers-down.html |
| 16:56.58 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen, when you have to argue technicalities, that's rules lawyering and kind of silly. |
| 16:56.58 | Sixen | LOLFIRST |
| 16:57.00 | Lonny` | Can anyone help me with a simple regex ? http://wowi.pastey.net/96667 - seems like I can't figure it out :) |
| 16:57.04 | jaxdahl | then at the end it says he paid and walked out of the store? |
| 16:57.05 | cog|work | if i were in that situation, i'd charge three topping price with an extra fee for using more than three /kinds/ of ingredients |
| 16:57.25 | Sixen | Peppy: =/. |
| 16:57.34 | Josh_Borke | jaxdahl: lua doesn't use regex, it uses patterns |
| 16:57.35 | Sixen | cog: But still, it's 3 toppings on the whole pizza. |
| 16:57.45 | Sixen | In one spot, you have 3 toppings. In another spot, you have 3 toppings. |
| 16:57.49 | Duman | they really should fix the glyph discovery before putting the vendor out |
| 16:57.51 | cog|work | it really depends on whether the place is charging for the cost of the toppings or the work of putting the toppings into the pizza |
| 16:57.52 | Sixen | You'll never find more than 3 toppings in one spot. |
| 16:57.52 | Lopeppeppy | Rules lawyers get no slack from me, Sixen. They are the reason why retail sucks, and why the pizza place stuick to their guns of 3+3=6. |
| 16:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | cog: both |
| 16:58.10 | jaxdahl | i bet it was a franchise store |
| 16:58.22 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: right. hence my previous statement :) |
| 16:58.31 | Maldivia | Duman: what problem in particular ? |
| 16:58.32 | Sixen | So peppy, you think the piiza place is right? |
| 16:58.33 | cog|work | make it explicit what you're charging for |
| 16:58.39 | erikd | some of these quotes on notalwaysright.com seem so fake |
| 16:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | Cost of materials, time to prepare materials (which is different for different toppings), time to apply them properly, cooking time variations by topping.... |
| 16:58.51 | erikd | like this one: http://notalwaysright.com/paging-leonidas-to-the-front-desk/1218 |
| 16:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen, I do. If you want two individual pizzas with 3 toppings each, order them. Don't try to rules lawyer a custom-job half and half pizza for less than you should pay. |
| 16:59.27 | erikd | someone said "i need to get a sparta joke in there" so they made up a story to fit it |
| 16:59.35 | Sixen | Hrm. |
| 16:59.38 | Lonny` | Josh_Borke ? what do you mean ? it seems like a regex to me :P |
| 16:59.39 | Duman | maldivia: a few things: 1) it'll say I discover something, but not what, and nothing new shows up in my inscriptions list. 2) The cooldown timer for the discoveries resets on zone or relog. 3) Some inscriptions are being discovered as spellbook entries and not actual recipies |
| 16:59.44 | Sixen | Perhaps a happy-medium, as Cog suggested then? Because it can go either way. |
| 16:59.51 | Josh_Borke | Lonny`: seems like and is are 2 very different things |
| 16:59.54 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: There are quite a few places that do just what that customer wanted. Personally, I make it a point to shop at such places |
| 17:00.13 | cog|work | all the pizza places i know don't work the way that one does |
| 17:00.33 | Dashkal | Stupid customer should have checked ahead to see that the place did it they way they wanted. Insufficient research = fail |
| 17:00.40 | Lonny` | Josh_Borke: well, mind to explain farther ? |
| 17:00.42 | Josh_Borke | huh, so apparently someone pointed to wowwiki on the patterns page |
| 17:01.18 | ShaneS|afk | oUF question: supposing I really like someone's layout, ie p3lim or caellian, as far as the UFs themselves go, but the placement could use some work, can I just re-SetPoint the frames myself in a diff addon, you think? or do i have to keep making my own mods each time they re-release? |
| 17:01.43 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal, that failure is on the part of the customer, not on the part of the shop that does NOT do custom for less. |
| 17:01.49 | Josh_Borke | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4 |
| 17:01.49 | Sixen | Same here, cog. |
| 17:01.54 | Sixen | I never have a problem with that. |
| 17:01.55 | Lonny` | Josh_Borke: ah ok, I just read about it, thanks :) |
| 17:02.13 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: I'm not arguing with that :p I agree that the customer failed. The pizza shop can do business any way they please. |
| 17:02.37 | Sixen | Good point. |
| 17:02.41 | Sixen | They could've ordered the pizza somewhere else. |
| 17:02.46 | jaxdahl | http://notalwaysright.com/ah-managers/1229 i love this one |
| 17:04.03 | Dashkal | That one is gold |
| 17:04.50 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal and Sixen, that's the entire basis of me siding with the store. Customer is free to shop elsewhere, store is free to run itself how it chooses. Free economy, no one is more right. |
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| 17:05.24 | Dashkal | absolutely |
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| 17:05.49 | Dashkal | And since there _are_ places that let me split my toppings for no extra charge, I shop there when ordering pizza for a group of people |
| 17:06.06 | Dashkal | Certainly doesn't make places that do not offer that service somehow 'wrong' |
| 17:06.10 | cog|work | i'm just saying the customer isn't an idiot the way those people were making him out to be |
| 17:06.28 | cog|work | the pizza place is going against custom for pizza places, and the customer had every reason to be flustered imo |
| 17:06.57 | Dashkal | cog|work: Trying to understand your point: You're saying the customer isn't wrong for expecting that service to be available? (I consider the customer wrong for flipping out about it rather than taking their business elsewhere) |
| 17:07.22 | cog|work | right... i never agreed with the way he handled the situation, only his motivation |
| 17:07.27 | Dashkal | fair enough |
| 17:07.52 | cog|work | if the manager told me 3 + 3 = 6, i would've responded 3/2 + 3/2 = 3 |
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| 17:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | Whenever there's an argument situation, both lose. So why bother? Write your letter to corporate, where something could actually change about policy. Flipping out on a store level never helps anyone. |
| 17:09.02 | Dashkal | Tell that to the customers who would flip out on me (A lowly cashier) for our ID everybody policy... |
| 17:09.28 | Lopeppeppy | Customers feel entitled to do *anything* when they're upset, and that's simply not right. I've had chairs thrown at me, been spit on, assaulted... Individual customer rights are NOT the focus of retail, nor should they be. |
| 17:09.37 | cog|work | I've been spit on |
| 17:09.44 | cog|work | for carding a guy's gf |
| 17:09.48 | AckisWork | if I'm going to flip out at a low level person I tell them "I need someone to yell at and you're the person, it's nothing against you, I'll try to be nice" ahha |
| 17:09.54 | Lopeppeppy | We as customers need to get over ourselves and act like adult rational humans. |
| 17:10.01 | Dashkal | I feel lucky that I managed to avoid projectile saliva. 6 years is more than enough to get that. |
| 17:10.48 | cog|work | I had to go to the hospital for disease testing because of it |
| 17:10.54 | Dashkal | *nogs* |
| 17:11.06 | cog|work | and then 2 or 3 years later i got my credit report and there was a collection. |
| 17:11.15 | Sixen | hmm |
| 17:11.20 | Sixen | I have a funny pizza place story |
| 17:11.31 | cog|work | the hospital never billed the workers comp and then somehow had an address of mine from 5 years prior |
| 17:11.50 | Lyn | wtf |
| 17:12.00 | Lyn | my desktop computer doesnt work anymore :x |
| 17:12.05 | Sixen | So, probably about 8 or so years ago, my cousins were visiting and my dad went to order us some pizza. |
| 17:12.20 | |Jelly| | What I'll never understand is why people are such fuckwads to people that serve you food. |
| 17:12.22 | Sixen | But we decided we wanted something from Pizza Hut instead of the local pizza place, so he called back and cancelled the order. Simple, right? |
| 17:12.44 | Dashkal | |Jelly|: Hungry = cranky = stupid + self-entitled. |
| 17:12.56 | Sixen | He said it'd be ready in 45 minutes or so, so it wasn't a problem, right? Nope. Dude called the cops because we wouldn't take his pizza. |
| 17:13.00 | |Jelly| | = chance of getting REALLY, REALLY sick. :-\ |
| 17:13.04 | Sixen | So a cop showed up at our house and stuff. |
| 17:13.05 | zenzelezz | so I'm farming Obsidian Warbeads off these ogres, but I can't see them wearing them... I find this very disturbing |
| 17:13.18 | |Jelly| | zenzelezz: lol |
| 17:13.20 | Dashkal | Sixen: *jawdrop* |
| 17:13.24 | Sixen | Seriously. |
| 17:13.35 | Sixen | They called us at first and in the background, they were hysterical. |
| 17:13.48 | Sixen | The cop on the phone was like, "So he called 911 to tell us you cancelled a pizza?" |
| 17:13.49 | AckisWork | zenzelezz: there's more than 1 place to hold beads |
| 17:13.52 | Sixen | And they were hysterical. |
| 17:13.54 | zenzelezz | Ackis: exactly |
| 17:14.49 | erikd | like in a pocket |
| 17:14.55 | erikd | you sickos |
| 17:14.59 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: Yeah, my guild doesn't call them 'ceremonial' beads... |
| 17:15.15 | zenzelezz | erikd: when was the last time you saw an ogre wear something with pockets? |
| 17:15.16 | AckisWork | erikd: I was thinking up their butt tbh |
| 17:15.38 | erikd | 12:11 < erikd> you sickos |
| 17:15.43 | p3lim | ShaneS|afk: a you could call the style then create the frames in a seperate addon |
| 17:15.49 | erikd | completely missed my joke =/ |
| 17:15.53 | Dashkal | Sixen: wow. How did they even begin to think that calling the cops on their potential customer could ever be the right call... |
| 17:15.56 | p3lim | or do a bat file diff change |
| 17:15.58 | p3lim | up to you |
| 17:16.16 | Sixen | Dumbest thing I ever heard, eh, Dash? |
| 17:16.19 | Sixen | you8 |
| 17:16.29 | Dashkal | Not the dumbest... I did work retail for 6 years :p |
| 17:16.52 | Dashkal | 'sides, the copyright cartel took that and ran with it. |
| 17:17.07 | Dashkal | But definitely a 'wow they're stupid' |
| 17:17.39 | Sixen | Haha, :P. |
| 17:17.49 | ShaneS|afk | p3lim: I'm working with git so I could do some rebasing. now, by calling the style and creating the frames in my oUF_p3lim_tweak or whatever i call it, what happens to the ones spawned by the original layout? |
| 17:21.48 | Josh_Borke | anybody have a good guide on debugging with gdb? |
| 17:22.13 | Maldivia | oh wow - haven't done that in a while now |
| 17:22.26 | Josh_Borke | yea, me neither :-P that's why i need a guide :-D |
| 17:22.29 | Josh_Borke | about 4 years now |
| 17:22.47 | ccox | "Many class changes. You won't like the ones made to your own class but you'll think the changes made to the 9 other classes are all overpowered. " Tigole++ |
| 17:24.41 | Josh_Borke | "Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault." helps me 0 :-( |
| 17:25.04 | Duman | did you get a core? |
| 17:25.06 | ccox | Josh - sure it does, now you load the core file into GDB and, oh, wait - are you a developer or a user? |
| 17:26.19 | Duman | assuming you compiled your executable w/ symbols... just load it into gdb and do a 'bt' (backtrace) |
| 17:26.22 | Dashkal | Josh_Borke: gdb <executable> <core file> followed by backtrace at the prompt |
| 17:26.23 | Josh_Borke | i'm inside gdb |
| 17:26.31 | Dashkal | backtrace or bt then |
| 17:26.41 | Josh_Borke | i've got the line where it happened |
| 17:26.45 | Dashkal | l to get a listing of the source around where you are, and up or down to navigate up and down the stack |
| 17:26.49 | Duman | what's the line |
| 17:26.59 | Maldivia | probably a null pointer exception |
| 17:27.01 | Josh_Borke | ooo, l is nice, i didn't see that |
| 17:27.01 | Duman | you can print variables with 'p' |
| 17:27.27 | Josh_Borke | "ap_log_rerror(APLOG_MARK, APLOG_INFO, 0, f->r," is the line, with f->r being a valid pointer :-/ |
| 17:27.30 | Dashkal | Sadly the only 'guide' I could point you at is the man page. The thing reads like a first year math textbook |
| 17:27.36 | Duman | what does "p f" say |
| 17:27.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: ? |
| 17:27.47 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: patch ;) |
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| 17:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 17:27.55 | Josh_Borke | also a valid pointer |
| 17:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 17:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a calc exam in an hour |
| 17:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'll start my script in a screen session |
| 17:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooooo, just check for the patch to appear |
| 17:28.14 | Josh_Borke | it evens gives me the type :-) which is the correct type for the function |
| 17:28.18 | Maldivia | last I checked, it was available :) |
| 17:28.27 | Duman | what does "p *f" say |
| 17:28.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 17:28.42 | Maldivia | wasn't* |
| 17:28.44 | Maldivia | sorry |
| 17:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well then the mirror will be up shortly! |
| 17:28.46 | Josh_Borke | $3 = {frec = 0x2af6071f8e80, ctx = 0x2af6072afec8, next = 0x2af6072ac358, r = 0x2af6072aada8, c = 0x2af6072a0f48} |
| 17:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 17:28.53 | Icecoldcoke | What's the website again |
| 17:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Well in any case, it's... already being downloaded |
| 17:29.03 | Icecoldcoke | Im bad with memory :p |
| 17:29.14 | Duman | what is f->r supposed to point to? |
| 17:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes you are, and you're also terrible with bookmarks it seems |
| 17:29.26 | Maldivia | hmm, ap_log_rerror pointing to the correct thing? |
| 17:29.45 | Duman | you sure that's the line it broke on? |
| 17:29.50 | Duman | type 'where' |
| 17:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.17 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: yeah, just found it aswell :) |
| 17:30.23 | Josh_Borke | #0 xmlenforce_output_filter (f=0x2af6072afb98, bb=0x2af6072afe08) at mod_xmlenforce.c:350 |
| 17:30.32 | Dashkal | Josh_Borke: print *f->r (I suspect the r member of your 'f' struct' is pointing somewhere invalid) |
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| 17:30.39 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: too bad it wasn't over 9000 :) |
| 17:30.42 | ScytheBlade1 | glhf, I've got calc in an hour and need to study |
| 17:30.42 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 17:30.59 | jaxdahl | build 8982? |
| 17:30.59 | Duman | the "ap_log_rerror" function might also be doing Something Bad... try going "up" |
| 17:31.02 | jaxdahl | okay |
| 17:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that what I just linked? Then probably |
| 17:31.30 | jaxdahl | i typed before scrolling up |
| 17:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 17:31.33 | jaxdahl | can i get a md5sum please? |
| 17:31.49 | ScytheBlade1 | You could but it'd be entirely redundant seeing as the binaries are signed |
| 17:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the signature, not the md5sum |
| 17:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 17:32.04 | jaxdahl | how do i check the signature on linux? |
| 17:32.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Good question, couldn't tell you offhand |
| 17:32.30 | jaxdahl | i download it to a shell box then send to to my home computer, i like to check the md5 to make sure i didn't corrupt it |
| 17:32.33 | Duman | just md5sum it |
| 17:32.39 | Duman | or sha1sum |
| 17:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I would but I've gotta go |
| 17:32.40 | Josh_Borke | Dashkal: up takes me to a different function altogether |
| 17:32.47 | jaxdahl | wow this is a big patch |
| 17:32.52 | Dashkal | but it dereferenced? hrm |
| 17:32.52 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: if you corrupt it, just use the downloader to fix it |
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| 17:32.58 | Duman | 177M *shrug* |
| 17:33.03 | Maldivia | it's a small patcj |
| 17:33.34 | Dashkal | Josh_Borke: lemme try a different tack. Are you sure you got the signature right? When you compile, do you get any warnings about integer to pointer without cast? |
| 17:33.45 | jaxdahl | fc8d70cca45ff156c695bdb4f0acaa8d |
| 17:33.50 | NeoTron | lol |
| 17:33.54 | NeoTron | I love this comment: "--Many class changes. You won't like the ones made to your own class but you'll think the changes made to the 9 other classes are all overpowered." |
| 17:34.25 | Duman | yeah that make me laugh |
| 17:34.28 | Duman | err, engrish |
| 17:34.31 | Duman | *made |
| 17:35.27 | Fisker- | why so engb ScytheBlade1 ? |
| 17:35.40 | Josh_Borke | Dashkal: why yes, yes i do. but that compile error happens before the problem line. i'll try without that line |
| 17:36.31 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 17:36.36 | Dashkal | Josh_Borke: integer to pointer without cast usually means you stuffed a number where an address should be. Very quick road to a segmentation fault. |
| 17:37.14 | Josh_Borke | yea, but 1) i "borrowed" that line from another program that works and 2) it's not a storing line, only a print out this value as an int |
| 17:38.15 | Dashkal | wait. pointer to integer without cast or integer to pointer without cast? The first is often fine, though casting it is generally a good plan |
| 17:38.19 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043173621-northrend-the-happiest-place-on-azeroth.html lol |
| 17:38.23 | NeoTron | Blizzneyland! |
| 17:38.52 | Josh_Borke | Dashkal: pointer to integer, not integer to pointer, sorry |
| 17:39.06 | Josh_Borke | "warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size" |
| 17:39.07 | Dashkal | ok, that's fine. It's the other way that's scary. Wasn't that then |
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| 17:41.24 | Dashkal | ok, this is where I generally split the line up in order to find out exactly which dereference exploded. make a variable of whatever type 'r' is, assign f->r to it, then pass that variable to the API call. It'll still crash, but the line it crashes on will tell you if it's f or f->r that broke. |
| 17:41.43 | Josh_Borke | Dashkal: ok, thanks, i see where you're going |
| 17:41.47 | Dashkal | while it's possible to do this though gdb itself, I find it faster to just change the code most of the time. |
| 17:42.28 | Dashkal | (doing it through gdb requires setting up a break point and stepping dereference-by-dereference until it asplodes -- I never did figure out how to do that right) |
| 17:43.31 | Josh_Borke | oh good, exact same line as before :_D |
| 17:43.51 | Dashkal | then r has some sort of bad value in it somehow. |
| 17:43.54 | Dashkal | and f is fine |
| 17:44.12 | Josh_Borke | sorry, it's errorring on the line with: "ap_log_rerror(APLOG_MARK," |
| 17:44.30 | Dashkal | that's what I figured. it blew up when you fed it the variable you assigned f->r to, correct? |
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| 17:46.28 | Josh_Borke | yea, it is |
| 17:46.34 | Josh_Borke | so f->r is fubarred? |
| 17:46.44 | Dashkal | *nods* Ok, either r is somehow fubarred or you're using the function wrong. |
| 17:46.51 | Dashkal | Gonna guess the first |
| 17:47.01 | Dashkal | whatever f->r points to may have been free()d |
| 17:48.09 | Dashkal | I'm pretty sure you can somehow get gdb to tell you if that happens, but I'm afraid that's where my knowledge of the tool fails |
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| 17:48.20 | Josh_Borke | Dashkal: thanks for yoru help, you've really opened the door for me |
| 17:48.36 | Dashkal | quite welcome. Hopefully you'll get it nailed. |
| 17:48.48 | Dashkal | Man this took me back. Long days of hacking on a largeish C codebase. |
| 17:49.36 | Kaso | i dispise indeterminate progress bars |
| 17:49.53 | cog|work | Kaso /agre |
| 17:49.55 | cog|work | +e |
| 17:50.00 | Dashkal | Kaso: Progress [///////////////////////] ??? |
| 17:50.15 | NeoTron | Kaso: you mean the ones that don't actually show any progress |
| 17:50.22 | Kaso | yah those ones |
| 17:50.33 | Kaso | just sit there, throbbing away |
| 17:50.36 | Kaso | telling me piss-all |
| 17:50.41 | End | I just sit there... |
| 17:50.49 | Kaso | lol |
| 17:50.51 | Dashkal | Might be because the code doesn't know how far along it is... |
| 17:51.15 | Kaso | well true that is the correct usage of them, but i recon they're used far more often than they ought to be |
| 17:51.28 | Kaso | used when its just too much programming hassle to tell me accurate progress info |
| 17:51.28 | Dashkal | No doubt there. Lazy programmer didn't want to track progress |
| 17:52.03 | NeoTron | the main thing that bugs me is you don't know if it's progressing or if it's stuck only showing a progress bar |
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| 17:52.57 | Lukian | Kaso, visual basic setup kit got it right |
| 17:53.08 | Tem | ooooh |
| 17:53.09 | Kaso | do tell |
| 17:53.10 | Tem | patch |
| 17:53.12 | Tem | do we have it yet? |
| 17:53.13 | Lukian | calculated the bytes remaining to copy and divided it into the status bar :p |
| 17:53.31 | End | Tem: I see a patch in ScytheBlade1's directory :P |
| 17:53.40 | Tem | I do too :) |
| 17:53.50 | Tem | oh! |
| 17:54.00 | Tem | maybe the DK mount will be in this one |
| 17:54.02 | nevcairiel | do we have a diff yet? |
| 17:54.10 | kd3 | neg. downloading now |
| 17:54.25 | Tem | no worries, cog |
| 17:54.29 | Tem | I have a test today |
| 17:54.42 | Tem | I'm not allowed to log in until I have at least bought the book for the class |
| 17:54.46 | cog|work | hehe |
| 17:54.56 | Dashkal | Tem: *hops* Oh I hope so |
| 17:55.11 | Maldivia | wow... starfire base damage was buffed from 670-790 to 1028-1212 |
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| 17:55.32 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 17:55.36 | cog|work | hi Iriel |
| 17:56.07 | Dashkal | bleh, so _that's_ why you don't keep using firefox after patching it... |
| 17:56.14 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: got a full list somewhere? =P |
| 17:56.26 | Tem | Many class changes. You won't like the ones made to your own class but you'll think the changes made to the 9 other classes are all overpowered. |
| 17:56.32 | Tem | More Icecrown quests and polish. We'd LOVE more Icecrown quest feedback. Please use the in-game feedback UI or post in the quest forums. |
| 17:56.36 | Tem | More Dalaran polish |
| 17:56.42 | Tem | Performance updates and new performance logging to help get the servers in good condition. |
| 17:56.49 | Tem | We're working on getting a beta Glyph vendor in the build so you guys will have quick and easy access to all of the glyphs for feedback. That system *might* make this push. |
| 17:56.53 | nevcairiel | we've seen tigoles post =) |
| 17:57.11 | ShaneS|afk | wtb stable SLI support |
| 17:57.17 | Tem | well then there you go |
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| 17:57.32 | ShaneS|afk | my shadows are all kinds of jacked up with two 8800GTs |
| 17:57.43 | End | hey now, I don't think all 9 other classes are OP |
| 17:57.50 | End | mostly just ret paladins ;-p |
| 17:57.59 | kd3 | shanes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679631925&sid=2000 |
| 17:58.24 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043283621&pageNo=2&sid=1#24 |
| 17:58.28 | jaxdahl | scourge invasion coming back? |
| 17:58.39 | End | it's been suggested it would |
| 17:59.23 | ShaneS|work | kd3: thanks, i'll look it over/try it out. I have 2x8800GTs, Vista Ultx64, and 4GB Corsair 800, so i shouldn' |
| 17:59.27 | End | the level cap is still 77 :P |
| 17:59.29 | ShaneS|work | t have framerate/glitch issues |
| 17:59.36 | jaxdahl | oh hey, they put up the new honor items too |
| 17:59.39 | jaxdahl | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043252440-upcoming-honor-items-and-honor-reset.html |
| 17:59.43 | End | good |
| 17:59.57 | End | they should have had honor items before announcing wiping ity |
| 18:00.21 | NeoTron | speaking of |
| 18:00.27 | jaxdahl | someone said something about badges of justice |
| 18:00.30 | NeoTron | I should purchase a pvp mount befre this all goes away |
| 18:00.37 | End | NeoTron: haha, yeah |
| 18:00.41 | End | I was thinking that too |
| 18:00.51 | NeoTron | I think one character at least has enough |
| 18:01.00 | End | I have the war raptor already, but with a few tokens I could get another war mount |
| 18:01.01 | Dashkal | huh, that's a first. Bornakk edited a Tigole post :p |
| 18:01.17 | End | Dashkal: Tigole..or Eyonix? |
| 18:01.22 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043242937&sid=1&pageNo=8#148 |
| 18:01.25 | Dashkal | ~fail Dashkal |
| 18:01.26 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Dashkal. I hate you because you fail. |
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| 18:01.34 | Dashkal | Figure's I'd get the nasty proc... |
| 18:01.41 | Dashkal | why did I put a ' in there? O.o |
| 18:01.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043231132&pageNo=1&sid=1#3 |
| 18:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol? |
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| 18:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 18:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | #0 |
| 18:03.26 | NeoTron | think of the childrens! |
| 18:03.44 | Icecoldcoke | ummons a Stoneclaw Totem with 1620 health at the feet of the caster for 15 sec that taunts creatures within 8 yards to attack it. Enemies attacking the Stoneclaw Totem have a 50% chance to be stunned for 3 sec. Stoneclaw totem also protects your other totems, causing them to absorb damage. |
| 18:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | See, I saw that thread topic, and thought it would be about the random female models in game wearing right next to nothing |
| 18:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But no, this source of unending corruption plaguing our children in every capital city is... ... gold spam |
| 18:04.14 | foxlit | be them childrens learning? |
| 18:04.15 | End | what? stoneclaw is actually worth something? :o |
| 18:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:04.42 | NeoTron | "Stoneclaw totem now spawns a claw that scratches your back when it itches" |
| 18:04.54 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 18:04.55 | End | I don't like that though |
| 18:04.55 | ShaneS|work | that reminded me of the "i'm in georgia and i ain't seen no tanks" post on Yahoo Answers |
| 18:04.59 | Fisker- | ScytheBlade1 my friend |
| 18:05.04 | Fisker- | shouldn't you be mirroring enGB? |
| 18:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:05.09 | NeoTron | stoneclaw totem health needs to scale |
| 18:05.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me see if I can change my script to pull that real quick |
| 18:05.23 | End | grounding totem is going to be -really- annoying now |
| 18:05.39 | foxlit | for two GCDs? |
| 18:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I know I built it in, just not sure of what params I need to change |
| 18:05.43 | jaxdahl | magnet for enUS patch: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:PEOREZW27ESVYBOEX37S53LDBGC52EH6 |
| 18:05.54 | Icecoldcoke | New Storm, Earth, and Fire |
| 18:05.55 | Icecoldcoke | Your Lightning Bolt gains an additional 10% of your spell power, your Earth Shock's range is increased by 5 yards and the periodic damage done by your Flame Shock is increased by 50%. |
| 18:05.59 | Icecoldcoke | AT max rank |
| 18:06.20 | Icecoldcoke | erm |
| 18:06.22 | Icecoldcoke | wrong line |
| 18:06.22 | Icecoldcoke | Reduces the cooldown of your Chain Lightning spell by 2.5 sec., your Earth Shock's range is increased by 5 yards and the periodic damage done by your Flame Shock is increased by 50%. |
| 18:07.37 | nevcairiel | hm they swapped points from nature's splendor into natures grace |
| 18:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ssh kyle@2001:470:d82b:ffff:217:31ff:fec4:919a |
| 18:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 18:07.55 | foxlit | http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Icecrown&n=SELECT+geeks+FROM+WoW&p=1 << heeeey! |
| 18:08.50 | ShaneS|work | lol @ foxlit |
| 18:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: poke |
| 18:09.08 | foxlit | with me, not @ me :) |
| 18:09.11 | ShaneS|work | gogo xkcd sql injection comic |
| 18:09.47 | Josh_Borke | what's this new grounding totem business? |
| 18:09.53 | ShaneS|work | http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 18:09.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: never mind |
| 18:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: going up shortly, downloading now |
| 18:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.33 | Dashkal | md5: fc8d70cca45ff156c695bdb4f0acaa8d WoW-3.0.2.8970-to-3.0.2.8982-enUS-patch.exe sha1: 7f3253696509c36ab3e21a2f41f121ec17c7f8fb WoW-3.0.2.8970-to-3.0.2.8982-enUS-patch.exe |
| 18:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh |
| 18:11.47 | ScytheBlade1 | moment |
| 18:11.57 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 18:11.58 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 18:12.03 | ShaneS|work | any have torrent link(s) for the enUS patch? |
| 18:12.22 | jaxdahl | ShaneS|work |
| 18:12.24 | jaxdahl | magnet for enUS patch: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:PEOREZW27ESVYBOEX37S53LDBGC52EH6 |
| 18:12.25 | Pytlask | foxlit: haha, that is an awesome guild name. Kudos for finding it |
| 18:12.40 | foxlit | Druid forums. |
| 18:12.45 | foxlit | Hear the cats whine all week :) |
| 18:12.51 | ShaneS|work | jaxdahl: I'm going to run it in rtorrent, I don't know of a console app that handles magnet URIs |
| 18:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | md5/sha1 of both patches: http://wowi.pastey.net/96682 |
| 18:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ShaneS|work: looking for PC or OSX? |
| 18:13.07 | foxlit | SB: but how do I know that I can trust YOU? |
| 18:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: You can't. Muhahahahaha. |
| 18:13.19 | foxlit | zomg keylogger! |
| 18:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | (Which is why blizzard signs their patches.) |
| 18:13.28 | foxlit | (Which is why those hashes are dubious) |
| 18:13.29 | ShaneS|work | ScytheBlade1: home linux box |
| 18:13.30 | Tornhoof | hmm |
| 18:13.34 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: danke |
| 18:13.43 | Tornhoof | ch cd reduced by 2.5s |
| 18:13.43 | Dashkal | Much as I'd love to validate the sig, it's a linux box |
| 18:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ShaneS|work: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/ right there for you |
| 18:13.47 | Tornhoof | might be nice |
| 18:14.14 | Tornhoof | why is the eu patch 30mb larger then the us patch? |
| 18:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Localization? |
| 18:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | enUS = enUS, enGB = enUS + enGB |
| 18:14.28 | Tem | oh woot |
| 18:14.31 | Tem | AMZ finally scales |
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| 18:14.37 | Tornhoof | ehm scythe? |
| 18:14.38 | Tem | 200% of AP + 10k absorbed |
| 18:14.38 | Pytlask | foxlit: What were the changes? link? |
| 18:14.41 | NeoTron | nice |
| 18:14.44 | ShaneS|work | ScytheBlade1: wget the exe then? the torrents folder is forbidden? |
| 18:14.53 | Josh_Borke | is there a torrent i can help seed? |
| 18:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ShaneS|work: the torrents folder is empty :) feel free to wget the exe |
| 18:15.02 | jaxdahl | wow, i can see myself hitting 18k+ absorption with AMZ |
| 18:15.09 | foxlit | Pytlask: misdirected, I don't have anything to do with the current conversation :) |
| 18:15.15 | ShaneS|work | Josh_Borke: I want to as well |
| 18:15.22 | NeoTron | mainly.. AMZ looks cool! |
| 18:15.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Tornhoof: all WoW patches have an enUS base, localization likewise means that all non enUS patches are larger |
| 18:15.36 | NeoTron | I predict I'll be raiding as unholy because of the superior aoe tankign abilities |
| 18:15.41 | Pytlask | foxlit: I was talking about "Hear the cats whine all week :)" |
| 18:15.57 | Tornhoof | 30mb is a bit much imho but i dun care ;) |
| 18:16.02 | jaxdahl | i've tried unholy tanking but i just am not feeling it |
| 18:16.05 | foxlit | I'm afraid that was random filler. |
| 18:16.11 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: I want to try blood tanking |
| 18:16.21 | jaxdahl | i've been frost tanking |
| 18:16.23 | NeoTron | I will likely try it on gothik again and see if I can figure out a way to make it work |
| 18:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't see 30MB out of localized strings and sounds? |
| 18:16.43 | NeoTron | I prefer to play blood but unholy has it's plusses. unholy blight is very very nice |
| 18:16.44 | jaxdahl | yea, gothik is hard to tank on dead side if you're a DK |
| 18:16.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 18:16.48 | Tem | NeoTron, I tried blood tanking yesterday |
| 18:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | really have to study |
| 18:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: enjoy |
| 18:16.59 | Tornhoof | scythe localized enus->engb strings and sounds? no ;) |
| 18:17.01 | Tem | I really dislike relying on Vampiric Blood |
| 18:17.04 | jaxdahl | immune to hungering cold |
| 18:17.09 | Tem | Bone Armor is just vastly supperior |
| 18:17.16 | ShaneS|work | ScytheBlade1: whew, nice connection you've got there for me to get 600k/s steady over some sketchy 5Mb cable |
| 18:17.20 | NeoTron | sure |
| 18:17.27 | End | ShaneS|work: it's a linode |
| 18:17.32 | NeoTron | I'm likely going to respec a lot |
| 18:17.39 | Tem | jaxdahl, why would a boss _not_ be immune to hungering cold? |
| 18:17.55 | ShaneS|work | anyone know jack about setting up a BT tracker? I have a VPS myself that I could throw this up on |
| 18:18.07 | jaxdahl | tem, have you ever done gothik? |
| 18:18.08 | Josh_Borke | if i have 2 structures ala struct x { ptrA *a; } struct y { ptrA *b;}; i should be able to do y->b = x->a; without fubaring anything, right? |
| 18:18.17 | Tem | jaxdahl, I have not |
| 18:18.23 | jaxdahl | okay, hush then :P |
| 18:18.30 | Tem | no |
| 18:18.31 | Tem | screw you |
| 18:18.36 | Tem | explain yourself |
| 18:18.39 | jaxdahl | the main part of the fight is mob waves |
| 18:18.53 | Tem | ah, okay |
| 18:18.57 | jaxdahl | you split the raid into 2 groups, one on each side of the room, you cannot heal/dps the other side |
| 18:19.02 | NeoTron | it was, to me, hard to tank as blood |
| 18:19.11 | jaxdahl | when you kill the 'live' side mobs, they go to the dead side |
| 18:19.12 | ShaneS|work | haha, crap, i don't use linode but the data centers must be close, my VPS is getting 4M/s |
| 18:19.12 | NeoTron | mainly because the spawns hit too fast for cooldowns to be up |
| 18:19.22 | Tornhoof | hmm is the downloader for the ptr out too? |
| 18:19.25 | jaxdahl | yea neotron, i had to spec 15s DnD |
| 18:19.40 | Tem | I always spec 15s D&D |
| 18:19.42 | jaxdahl | and have a paladin tank in blues back me up (on heroic) |
| 18:19.48 | NeoTron | I went down to full unholy for it |
| 18:19.53 | Dashkal | the cooldown on BB really sucks. But it's pestilence that makes it impossible (If you can't spread the diseases on demand, how the hell to pull groups on demand?) |
| 18:19.55 | jaxdahl | i typically spec 10/53/7 |
| 18:19.56 | Tem | but I have a hard time using it more than once per bull |
| 18:20.01 | NeoTron | which made it trivial to tank |
| 18:20.04 | Tem | wait, what? |
| 18:20.10 | Tem | They added a cooldown to blood boil? |
| 18:20.19 | jaxdahl | no CD on BB |
| 18:20.20 | Dashkal | erm, I'm thinking pestelance. |
| 18:20.22 | jaxdahl | pest does |
| 18:20.26 | NeoTron | pestilence has 10s CD |
| 18:20.26 | foxlit | Last I looked, it just had mediocre damage |
| 18:20.26 | Dashkal | the important one |
| 18:20.30 | NeoTron | which kind of hurts |
| 18:20.31 | jaxdahl | 10/54/7 i mean |
| 18:20.31 | Tem | yeah, okay |
| 18:20.39 | Tem | I noticed that this week |
| 18:20.42 | jaxdahl | BB can hit for 700+ last i checked |
| 18:20.43 | Tem | it was somewhat annoying |
| 18:20.43 | jaxdahl | per mob |
| 18:20.46 | NeoTron | BB is hot |
| 18:20.48 | Dashkal | BB only affects what's diseased. If you can't disease the adds, you cant BB them |
| 18:21.02 | Tem | that's what UB is for, Dashkal :) |
| 18:21.03 | NeoTron | there has to be a way to tank gothik though |
| 18:21.04 | Thunder_Child | http://graphjam.com/2008/09/23/song-chart-memes-amazon-customer-reviews/ |
| 18:21.09 | NeoTron | as blood |
| 18:21.15 | Tem | heh |
| 18:21.16 | jaxdahl | if you have a DK helping spread diseases, you can double BB for some good threat |
| 18:21.25 | Tem | <3 double BB |
| 18:21.28 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Think it would be doable if BB could do some small damage even to undiseased targets? |
| 18:21.49 | jaxdahl | healers put out a lot of threat on gothik |
| 18:21.55 | jaxdahl | that's constant |
| 18:22.15 | Dashkal | It looks like that fight is "good AoE or go home" which seems counter to their design |
| 18:22.16 | jaxdahl | i just have to mentally keep track of how much is coming in the next waves |
| 18:22.22 | Fisker- | the wrath gate cinematic is in it appears |
| 18:22.22 | jaxdahl | and keep cooldowns ready to go |
| 18:22.34 | NeoTron | Dashkal: might be a fair comment to make on blodo tanking that fight |
| 18:22.37 | Tem | Fisker-, how can you tell? |
| 18:22.46 | Fisker- | Writing "Wow_Wrathgate.avi"? |
| 18:22.52 | Tem | that'd do it |
| 18:22.54 | Dashkal | NeoTron: we need a swipe/cleave |
| 18:22.56 | Tem | :) |
| 18:23.11 | NeoTron | need is relative. could use yes |
| 18:23.31 | NeoTron | ironically I am pretty sure the worst aoe tanker, druids, would have a much easier tham than blood spec there |
| 18:23.33 | Dashkal | Or maybe a third cooldown to make one of our other attacks into one (three should be enough to nab the waves) |
| 18:23.42 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* http://graphjam.com/2008/08/30/song-chart-memes-endings-to-the-oregon-trail/ |
| 18:23.48 | ShaneS|work | bears need a swipe that works as it should, for that matter |
| 18:23.55 | Tem | I disagree, NeoTron |
| 18:24.16 | NeoTron | Tem: how so? |
| 18:24.17 | Tem | a blood tank might have to spec for 15s D&D, but I thin that should be good enough |
| 18:24.26 | Tem | think* |
| 18:24.27 | NeoTron | they come faster than that do they not? |
| 18:24.35 | NeoTron | plus D&D is so amazingly expensive too |
| 18:24.39 | Dashkal | Tem: a 15s and a 10s aren't enough to get every wave |
| 18:24.43 | jaxdahl | 04:27 |
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| 18:24.46 | jaxdahl | 1024 and 800 resolution |
| 18:24.49 | Tem | hum |
| 18:24.53 | NeoTron | I will try that though |
| 18:24.59 | NeoTron | because I want to give some feedback on it |
| 18:25.06 | NeoTron | next time I go I will spec blood/unholy |
| 18:25.19 | Tem | then I guess you guys are right |
| 18:25.34 | NeoTron | it can be done. I haven't figured out how yet :P |
| 18:25.35 | Dashkal | NeoTron: thought: can you get away with a blood tap? |
| 18:25.47 | NeoTron | not sure if it generates threat |
| 18:25.54 | NeoTron | err wait |
| 18:25.56 | NeoTron | not runetap |
| 18:25.58 | Dashkal | More worried about the self-damage. The idea is to get that blood rune back |
| 18:26.03 | jaxdahl | oh, someone said death strike generates quite a bit of threat |
| 18:26.13 | jaxdahl | i think i will try to mix that in if i cann |
| 18:26.13 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: if the healing doesn't overheal, it's pretty good yes |
| 18:26.15 | NeoTron | DS is the prime tanking attack for blood |
| 18:26.16 | NeoTron | I'd say |
| 18:26.26 | NeoTron | at least if you're not frost |
| 18:26.35 | Tem | I'm pretty used to having UB to help me with early threat on stuff |
| 18:26.42 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: with two diseases up, and no overhealing, it does 2xdamage in threat, modified by frost presence |
| 18:26.49 | NeoTron | yeah. unholy is the most fire and forget and I sort of like it |
| 18:27.11 | NeoTron | however it lacks the raid utility of blood (I'll be the OT mostyl and mark of blood on single tank enrage fights like maexxna is really nice) |
| 18:27.32 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder how much threat the Heart Strike debuff does.. |
| 18:27.32 | Tem | I think frost is really fun, too |
| 18:27.37 | Dashkal | NeoTron: nevermind. blood tap is on a one minute cooldown, no good |
| 18:28.15 | Dashkal | it would need to be 15s to use it with d&d to get your blood rune back |
| 18:28.22 | jaxdahl | with lichborne, unbreakable armor w/glyph, defender's code, seal of the pantheon, horn of winter, i can hit over 102% avoidance self buffed on my DK |
| 18:28.51 | ShaneS|work | wow |
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| 18:29.26 | jaxdahl | somewhere around 56-57% avoidance unbuffed |
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| 18:29.37 | Dashkal | Even if I have to bite it and go unholy to tank, I'll be blood for certain in DPS. Hysteria, Mark of Blood, Blood Aura. I bring quite a bit to the table. |
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| 18:29.50 | jaxdahl | and abomination |
| 18:30.04 | Dashkal | Every two minutes I get to make a rogue cream himself |
| 18:30.22 | Dashkal | forgot about that, that too. I love that skill |
| 18:30.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Hysteria? |
| 18:30.43 | Dashkal | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=49016 |
| 18:30.56 | Dashkal | 20% damage increase for 30s, at a cost of 30% of their health |
| 18:31.27 | Neuro_Medivh | it's really nice solo as well, especially when you use DRW at the same time |
| 18:31.34 | Dashkal | the output is insane... |
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| 18:32.08 | Dashkal | Tough I rarely cast it on myself. I should more often. Not like I can't handle the hp debuff |
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| 18:32.22 | Tem | why wouldn't you cast it on yourself? |
| 18:32.30 | Tem | in theory you have the same dps potential as a rogue |
| 18:32.31 | jaxdahl | i love to spec 51+/18+/x |
| 18:32.36 | Tem | unless he outgears you by a lot |
| 18:32.47 | jaxdahl | 26 second DRW |
| 18:32.50 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 18:33.02 | NeoTron | who's waste a dps buff on another dpser if you're dps geared/speced? |
| 18:33.12 | Dashkal | Tem: I only solo atm. It's very rare for me to group so I haven't had much oppurtunity |
| 18:33.24 | Dashkal | and I almost always tank for the impromptu groups |
| 18:33.31 | Dashkal | I |
| 18:33.38 | Dashkal | I'd rather not be ticking away my HP when tanking :p |
| 18:34.58 | Tem | when you're the tank it's entirely different |
| 18:35.03 | Tem | but when you're dpsing... |
| 18:35.08 | Dashkal | I really should |
| 18:35.10 | jaxdahl | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0055020000000000000000000003250405103532112301000101351005200000000000000000000000000 |
| 18:35.14 | jaxdahl | this is one spec i like to use |
| 18:35.21 | Dashkal | The one time I've grouped and not tanked I cast it on myself :p |
| 18:36.00 | Dashkal | Does anybody know how Oracle/Furyheart switching works? Do you always keep your current reputation level? Or how does that bit actually function? |
| 18:36.02 | kd3 | patch diff going out soonish. anyone not on my list want in? |
| 18:36.07 | Dashkal | It wasn't entirely working at the time I did that area |
| 18:36.17 | kd3 | dash; do the elite quest at the end of the chain if you want to switch |
| 18:36.24 | kd3 | just save the other race |
| 18:36.38 | jaxdahl | Dashkal, it resets rep |
| 18:36.43 | Dashkal | kd3: I know you _can_ switch, what I'm wondering about is the progress. |
| 18:36.58 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: So I'm pretty much stuck with finishing one, getting what I need, then switching? meh |
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| 18:37.03 | kd3 | yup |
| 18:37.03 | jaxdahl | yep |
| 18:37.11 | jaxdahl | don't know of a way to get exalted w/both |
| 18:37.13 | Dashkal | not worth it then. I'll be in naxx long before I ever get the second one up |
| 18:37.30 | jaxdahl | there's an achievement involved |
| 18:38.04 | Dashkal | *shrugs* gear epeen > achievement epeen |
| 18:38.05 | jaxdahl | can anyone datamine the base cooldown of antimagic shell please? |
| 18:38.16 | jaxdahl | i see the talent reduces it by 4s per point (12s max) |
| 18:38.23 | jaxdahl | sounds like 24 seconds maybe |
| 18:38.30 | Fisker- | anything in that movie jaxdahl ? |
| 18:38.41 | jaxdahl | i don't know, i can't watch movies over VNC |
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| 18:39.55 | NeoTron | what tree is that talent in? |
| 18:40.07 | NeoTron | blood isn't it |
| 18:40.14 | NeoTron | the 1/2/3s talent |
| 18:40.21 | kd3 | 4:30 cinematic |
| 18:40.43 | Fisker- | so it's not even sylvanas that betrayed the horde |
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| 18:40.54 | kd3 | closer to the wrath preview than a full-fledged cinematic |
| 18:41.00 | kd3 | it's machinema, almost |
| 18:41.00 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:42.53 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/thumbs20080924134146.jpg |
| 18:42.57 | jaxdahl | i saved some thumbs |
| 18:43.12 | ShaneSveller | mirrored copies of ScytheBlade1's patch files: http://files.shanesveller.com/ |
| 18:43.30 | ShaneSveller | just to save you a bit of bandwidth, sb =P |
| 18:43.56 | kneeki | jaxdahl: I loved that series |
| 18:44.02 | kneeki | So very well done |
| 18:44.02 | Dashkal | nifty robotics project: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2008/jerry-dog-plays-w-ball-p1.php |
| 18:44.49 | kd3 | wow... that was one hell of a cinematic |
| 18:44.57 | Neuro_Medivh | jax, prepatch it was 15 seconds, dunno about now... |
| 18:45.01 | kd3 | even though it was a machinema |
| 18:45.10 | nevcairiel | i'm waiting for it ingame=P |
| 18:47.51 | NeoTron | so it's an in-game cinematic when you perform some quest? |
| 18:47.55 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:47.57 | NeoTron | cool |
| 18:48.01 | NeoTron | I won't spoil the surprise |
| 18:48.44 | kd3 | last call for the diff email. anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 18:48.53 | jaxdahl | cinematic thumbnails with 4 second timesteps (double the above) http://jax2.zenblue.net/thumbs20080924134643.jpg |
| 18:49.16 | alestane | No mac patch available yet? |
| 18:49.18 | NeoTron | I love in-game cinematics |
| 18:49.30 | NeoTron | well in-game movie sequences |
| 18:49.49 | NeoTron | is there anyone, until now, except new character and the tower in elwynn that shows you redridge? |
| 18:50.07 | NeoTron | I guess there ar a few in wrath |
| 18:50.11 | kd3 | those are just camera moves... this is an actual cinematic |
| 18:50.12 | NeoTron | like the short one in grizzly hills |
| 18:50.33 | Tem | someone dig in the game files and find the DK mount graphic already |
| 18:50.35 | NeoTron | but rendered by the gfx card? |
| 18:50.36 | jaxdahl | there was one in smagister's terrace |
| 18:50.41 | NeoTron | yep true |
| 18:50.45 | kd3 | it's prerendered |
| 18:50.51 | NeoTron | ah |
| 18:50.57 | jaxdahl | this one is an actual .avi yeah |
| 18:51.10 | jaxdahl | but not like the WOTLK trailer |
| 18:51.40 | Tem | is it the one that plays when you ask alexstrasza "what happened here?" |
| 18:51.45 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:51.48 | jaxdahl | probably is yes |
| 18:52.03 | jaxdahl | probably will play after you turn in the quest where everythign despawned |
| 18:52.04 | kd3 | if you finish "return to angrathar" in today's patch, you'll see it then too |
| 18:52.56 | ShaneSveller | kd3 what's that about a diff e-mail? |
| 18:52.57 | Tem | ah, okie |
| 18:53.13 | kd3 | I run .diffs of the extracted interface and email them out |
| 18:53.47 | ShaneSveller | i'd gladly take a copy if you don't mind, my username at gmail |
| 18:54.38 | Icecoldcoke | Omg.. has anyone seen the wrath gate cinematic posted on mmo-champion |
| 18:55.03 | Icecoldcoke | Looks like im months behind |
| 18:55.04 | Icecoldcoke | nm |
| 18:55.49 | NeoTron | lol |
| 18:56.42 | jaxdahl | line 870 of the ne diff -- does that mean that threat will get updated every 0.5 of a second now? |
| 18:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, i love tigole.. "--Many class changes. You won't like the ones made to your own class but you'll think the changes made to the 9 other classes are all overpowered." |
| 18:57.03 | Icecoldcoke | I agree with Tigole at least for shaman. |
| 18:57.12 | ShaneSveller | kd3: thanks |
| 18:57.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i agree with what tigole was trying to say. :p |
| 18:58.16 | ShaneSveller | kd3: if you have a mailing list for that sort of thing feel free to tack me on, i appreciate it :-) |
| 18:58.22 | kd3 | you are |
| 18:58.46 | jaxdahl | i don't see anything else really notable in the diff.. (at least that's interesting to me anyway) |
| 18:59.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Icecoldcoke, what changes did shaman get? |
| 19:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: ones that are a personal slap in the face to you, and shaman everywhere. *nod* |
| 19:00.05 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf, elemental weapons got moved way down in Enhance |
| 19:00.11 | Neuro_Medivh | that's actually kinda nice |
| 19:00.14 | jaxdahl | what the flying **** |
| 19:00.18 | jaxdahl | AMS 1 minute cooldown |
| 19:00.39 | Neuro_Medivh | shell or zone? |
| 19:00.46 | jaxdahl | S |
| 19:00.54 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, that's quite a nerf |
| 19:01.10 | jaxdahl | they didn't change anything else about it |
| 19:01.11 | NeoTron | 1 minute is horrible |
| 19:01.15 | Dashkal | Neth is cruel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043283621&sid=1&pageNo=5#85 |
| 19:01.20 | jaxdahl | still costs 20 RP, lasts 5 sec |
| 19:01.20 | NeoTron | they predict it won't change pve how? |
| 19:01.28 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* i really wish imp WS talent would give extra charges. |
| 19:01.30 | NeoTron | 15s -> 1m |
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| 19:02.00 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
| 19:02.04 | jaxdahl | and the blood talent only reduces it by 12 seconds |
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| 19:02.41 | NightHawkTheSane | they probably assumed that wotn and the glyph made it too easy to have it up most of the time |
| 19:02.42 | NeoTron | how can they even think that won't have an effect on pve |
| 19:03.02 | NeoTron | I don't mind a longer cooldown but I want talents to reduce it to a reasonble time |
| 19:03.03 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: who says they think it won't? |
| 19:03.10 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: Ghostcrawler |
| 19:03.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i must have missed that |
| 19:03.23 | ShaneSveller | torrent for enUS patch: http://tracker.shanesveller.com/torrents/WoW-3.0.2.8970-to-3.0.2.8982-enUS-patch.exe.torrent |
| 19:03.30 | ShaneSveller | setting up a tracker wasn't so hard =) |
| 19:03.38 | kd3 | just use blizz's torrent |
| 19:03.39 | NeoTron | "-- We're increasing the cooldown on Anti-Magic Shell. We don't think this will hurt DKs in PvE much, and it still leaves you with Icebound Fortitude to use often. " |
| 19:03.54 | ShaneSveller | kd3: dunno how |
| 19:04.01 | ShaneSveller | kd3: it was mainly a learning exercise anyhow |
| 19:04.34 | NeoTron | with a 1m cooldown and 5s duration its use will be mostly situational and more than likely it won't be used much at all except if there's a very specific case wehre it might be good |
| 19:04.44 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: yeah, its pretty absurd to think it wont have a pve impact. |
| 19:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 19:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | a CD like that wouldn't be bad if it was like 10-15s |
| 19:05.17 | smcn | er i seem to be missing a codec for the cinematic from mmochampion... any ideas? |
| 19:05.22 | NightHawkTheSane | duration, that is |
| 19:05.34 | jaxdahl | smcn, probably xvid |
| 19:05.35 | jaxdahl | let me check |
| 19:05.47 | kd3 | it's divx |
| 19:05.54 | kd3 | Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) |
| 19:06.03 | Tem|afk | 1m cooldown! |
| 19:06.06 | Tem|afk | FUCK |
| 19:06.13 | Tem|afk | that won't affect PVE is bullshit |
| 19:06.17 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 19:06.29 | Tem|afk | AMS is my primary form of mitigation on heavy magic damage fights |
| 19:06.29 | jaxdahl | the shell itself is a very powerful buff, that is true |
| 19:06.44 | Tem|afk | I won't be able to tank Loken the way I've been tanking him |
| 19:06.46 | jaxdahl | preventing magic debuffs from behing abpplied helps in a lot of situations |
| 19:06.53 | jaxdahl | yeah tem |
| 19:07.02 | jaxdahl | i've been doing him like that |
| 19:07.05 | Tem|afk | I won't be able to tank the VH boss the way I tank him either |
| 19:07.14 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043232509&postId=104766963014&sid=2000#19 |
| 19:07.23 | Tem|afk | "haha, I can hit you anyway and won't get the healing debuff" |
| 19:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|afk: that may be entirely intentional, though |
| 19:08.25 | Maldivia | wow... glyph of evocation changed from 15% health to 60% health! |
| 19:08.39 | jaxdahl | is there a glyph for antimagic shell? |
| 19:08.45 | zenzelezz | that will evoke some reactions |
| 19:09.04 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: yes + 5sec duration +15sec CD |
| 19:09.05 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: "Glyph of Anti Magic Shell: reduces the duration by 4.5 seconds but also reduces the cooldown by 1 second" |
| 19:09.16 | jaxdahl | did it get changed? |
| 19:09.21 | NeoTron | I'm just kidding b |
| 19:09.42 | NeoTron | that glyph might be useful now |
| 19:09.53 | NeoTron | 10s duration 1m15s is potentially better than 5/1m |
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| 19:10.11 | NeoTron | double the increase for a reasonbly small increase in cooldown (relatively speaking) |
| 19:10.15 | NeoTron | before the cooldown was doubled too |
| 19:11.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, FS back up to 60% damage.. |
| 19:11.05 | Tem|afk | lua> 10/75 > 5/60 |
| 19:11.05 | lua_bot | Tem|afk: true |
| 19:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | annnd.. blood of the north at 5 points again? bah |
| 19:11.22 | Tem|afk | longer uptime! |
| 19:11.25 | jaxdahl | i'm waiting for GC to say something like 'oh, it looks like the version we were testing made it in. wwe did a bunch of testing with it and found it was totally underpowered for raiding, in the current build it's back to a 15 second cooldown' |
| 19:12.02 | NeoTron | this one is even better |
| 19:12.03 | NeoTron | Strangulates an enemy, silencing them for 5 sec, and deals 180 Shadow damage at the end of the effect. |
| 19:12.06 | NeoTron | 1 Blood, 30 yd range, Instant, 2 min cooldown |
| 19:12.20 | NeoTron | 2 minute cooldown on a silence spell. wtf |
| 19:12.52 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, imp icy talons upped to 5% permanent melee haste. |
| 19:13.05 | jaxdahl | wasn't it unholy? |
| 19:13.11 | jaxdahl | (strangulate) |
| 19:13.12 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 19:13.26 | NightHawkTheSane | it's always (or, at least a long while) been blood |
| 19:13.30 | jaxdahl | what was the old cooldown? |
| 19:14.00 | Maldivia | wow... they said they were retuning naxx... |
| 19:14.04 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: probably another pvp nerf, dks have a lot of silence/interrupts |
| 19:14.12 | NeoTron | 30s before |
| 19:14.17 | NeoTron | and yes it was a pvp nerf |
| 19:14.21 | NeoTron | and two is a lot?! |
| 19:14.27 | Maldivia | hateful strike just got a 70% damage increase |
| 19:14.30 | NeoTron | one melee, one ranged |
| 19:14.32 | jaxdahl | i could handle 1m for strangulate |
| 19:14.45 | jaxdahl | i think they said they are boosting health again maybe? |
| 19:14.55 | NeoTron | Maldivia: that's a lot |
| 19:15.02 | NeoTron | Maldivia: but I don't want naxx to be too easy either |
| 19:15.03 | NightHawkTheSane | three, if you count death grip. and AMS, while not an interrupt/silence, is certainly a useful anti-caster ability. |
| 19:15.20 | jaxdahl | i can't remember how hard patchwerk was hitting me before |
| 19:15.26 | jaxdahl | 11-14k? |
| 19:15.33 | Maldivia | NeoTron: true - but going from 32k to 56k :) |
| 19:15.39 | NightHawkTheSane | point being, dks have a lot of anti-caster tools, they may have wanted to tone it down some |
| 19:16.09 | jaxdahl | 56k still sounds manageable |
| 19:16.35 | jaxdahl | that's 22.4k with 60% mitigation |
| 19:16.39 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: I see it as PvP messing up pve |
| 19:16.43 | jaxdahl | or about 2/3 of my HP |
| 19:16.46 | NeoTron | that's a lot |
| 19:16.56 | Dashkal | That would gib me... |
| 19:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: yeah, definitely, but that's hardly anything new or different. |
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| 19:17.13 | jaxdahl | Maldivia, is this the 25 man HS? |
| 19:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | pve has always been mangled for the sake of pvp balance. |
| 19:17.48 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: I am aware but that doesn't mean I like it. pvp makes the pve game suffer despite what blizzard says |
| 19:17.50 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: think he uses the same spell on both versions |
| 19:18.01 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: oh, i agree in the general sense. |
| 19:18.06 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: not sure though |
| 19:18.13 | NeoTron | mind ou I'm unlikely to use strangulate while tanking - blood is going to pest/bb/D&D |
| 19:18.15 | jaxdahl | really.. |
| 19:18.16 | NeoTron | but still |
| 19:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: that was my next point, a 2m CD on strangulate is not actually THAT big a problem in pve :P |
| 19:18.42 | Tem|afk | I think that Strangulate change is silly |
| 19:18.44 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a bit excessive, yeah. |
| 19:18.48 | NightHawkTheSane | but *shrug* |
| 19:18.57 | Tem|afk | every other silence in the game is 30s cooldown or less |
| 19:18.59 | Tem|afk | most are less |
| 19:19.09 | jaxdahl | i rarely use strangulate in raids, mobs are often immune |
| 19:19.15 | jaxdahl | but it's very useful for pulling casters in 5 mans |
| 19:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, did bone shield get buffed to add +2% damage, or has that been there for a while? |
| 19:20.15 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: actually, think the 10-man version of hateful strike was bugged - wasn't doing more than 2k damage or so |
| 19:20.19 | Neuro_Medivh | wonder why Blood of the North went back to 5 points... every other death rune talent is 3 |
| 19:22.03 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. pally combat expertise now adds 2% crit per point? |
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| 19:22.53 | NeoTron | Neuro_Medivh: probably because it also adds damage |
| 19:23.21 | NeoTron | where the others don't |
| 19:23.32 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, quite possibly |
| 19:23.59 | Dashkal | well then. my spec didn't change in the least |
| 19:24.27 | Neuro_Medivh | sadly, it's increasing an ability that the other half of the talent makes you use less often |
| 19:24.35 | Tornhoof | hmm is there any other mirror for that wrathguard video than filefront? |
| 19:24.56 | kd3 | if you're in beta, look at ~/wrath/Data/<locale>/Interface/Cinematics |
| 19:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: well, yeah, but it makes you more likely to use blood strike in the first place. blood strike was really lackluster as deep frost |
| 19:25.46 | Maldivia | kd3: the wrath gate cinematics yeah :) |
| 19:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: in the new build? or any build? |
| 19:25.52 | Tornhoof | no i'm not, that's an official vid?, heh they should've done that in a proper cinematic, not some crappy ingame vid |
| 19:25.57 | Adys | new |
| 19:26.07 | Adys | i tend to disagree Tornhoof |
| 19:26.26 | kd3 | the new build |
| 19:26.29 | Maldivia | kd3: to be honest, not really that good, but nice twist |
| 19:26.32 | kd3 | they added it thispatch |
| 19:26.46 | kd3 | meh, we knew what was going to happen due to the post-event quests in UC |
| 19:26.54 | Adys | i agree because... GAH I want new blizzar-dlike cinematics |
| 19:27.05 | Tornhoof | dunno adys, it's apparently prerendered, even though it's ingame engine, so the resolution kinda sux ;) |
| 19:27.08 | Adys | but I disagree because they really know how to do them even with the ingame engine |
| 19:27.29 | Tornhoof | no they apparently don't |
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| 19:27.38 | Tornhoof | if they would know it wouldn't be an avi |
| 19:27.53 | Tornhoof | in any resolution we play at |
| 19:28.57 | jaxdahl | it's a 4 minute clip, not a feature movie |
| 19:30.19 | jaxdahl | what do you think if they change AMS from 75% to 50% and make it a 50% chance to resist magical debuffs, 25-30s cooldown glyph would make it 75%/75% and knock off 5-10 seconds? |
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| 19:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. riptide healing increased.. |
| 19:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | wait.. "Sunder Armor now lasts until cancelled." what the hell does this mean? |
| 19:32.39 | Neuro_Medivh | might not have a timer anymore |
| 19:32.41 | smcn | it means instead of "decreases armor by x for y seconds" it's just "decreases armor by x until the mob dies" :P |
| 19:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | that seems.. odd.. |
| 19:33.00 | zenzelezz | didn't they boost Devastate? |
| 19:33.08 | kd3 | WTF |
| 19:33.11 | kd3 | instant aimed shot? |
| 19:33.14 | kd3 | OP! |
| 19:33.16 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, it's no change at all really |
| 19:33.27 | Neuro_Medivh | since devastate was refreshing sunder anyway |
| 19:33.27 | jaxdahl | smcn, what about arena? |
| 19:33.33 | Tornhoof | yeh instant "AIMED" |
| 19:33.39 | smcn | what about it? |
| 19:33.39 | Tornhoof | i'd like that ;) |
| 19:33.39 | jaxdahl | will it last until they go out of combat? |
| 19:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, but in pvp.. |
| 19:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | If Aimed Shot is instant, can they undo the Stealth "fix" for Nelf hunters? |
| 19:34.20 | Neuro_Medivh | where are you seeing aimed shot as instant? |
| 19:34.31 | zenzelezz | what they forgot to mention is that Aimed Shot is no longer affected by +hit stats |
| 19:34.34 | alestane | I always thought the point of Aimed Shot was that you took longer to set up a deadlier shot, but that's just me. |
| 19:34.44 | jaxdahl | they didn't change the wording on expose armor |
| 19:34.47 | jaxdahl | still lasts 30s |
| 19:35.42 | Iriel | alestane: I had the same opinion |
| 19:36.15 | Iriel | alestane: afterall, if it didn't take longer to aim then why wouldn't you just aim properly on every shot. |
| 19:37.02 | Tornhoof | yeh alestane, i guess that's the whole point of aiming |
| 19:37.05 | smcn | lol |
| 19:37.07 | Tornhoof | that's not some point blank shot ;) |
| 19:37.39 | Dashkal | Drat, wanted to watch the wrathgate video but I lack whatever codec it's using on linux |
| 19:38.08 | jaxdahl | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=57532 is this for a particular quest? |
| 19:38.11 | smcn | i had to download vlc to play it |
| 19:38.22 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, jax |
| 19:38.33 | Neuro_Medivh | that's in the DK beginning area |
| 19:38.35 | jaxdahl | my thought on aimed shot is that you aim for the weak spot |
| 19:38.36 | Dashkal | I could get the player fine but it won't do me much good without a codec |
| 19:38.46 | jaxdahl | Neuro_Medivh, the wording is different on this one |
| 19:38.49 | jaxdahl | and it costs a frost rune |
| 19:39.03 | Neuro_Medivh | OH, perhaps a new spell |
| 19:39.05 | alestane | The eternal question: are these people serious? http://notalwaysright.com/the-commute-must-be-out-of-this-world/641 |
| 19:39.29 | Neuro_Medivh | says it's a lvl 69 spell |
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| 19:39.51 | |pez| | alestane: heeh |
| 19:39.53 | smcn | Dashkal: that's what i figured too, it's just divx, i have the divx codec but it would only play sound in winamp, mplayer classic, wmplayer, and divx player |
| 19:39.55 | jaxdahl | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=51852 this one is the starting DK quest buff |
| 19:40.03 | smcn | but it plays fine in vlc |
| 19:40.11 | Dashkal | smcn: sound I have, it's video I'm missing |
| 19:40.19 | Dashkal | running unbuntu 8.04 |
| 19:40.19 | smcn | then again you may have a completely differnet problem ;P |
| 19:40.34 | alestane | So the DK really is a 'lock in plate after all? |
| 19:40.38 | Dashkal | eh, I'll survive a few hours so I can just play it in dragonblight tonight |
| 19:40.55 | Neuro_Medivh | nah |
| 19:41.03 | Neuro_Medivh | locks are fear-dot-nuke |
| 19:41.11 | Neuro_Medivh | DKs are enhancement shaman in plate |
| 19:41.18 | Neuro_Medivh | but without heals |
| 19:41.19 | Dashkal | alestane: huh? maybe if locks were always in melee range and kept their target that way instead of constantly fearing them and waiting for dots... |
| 19:41.27 | |pez| | alestane: there was one occasion, when my boyfriend, who then worked at one of our countries largest ISPs.. got called by a customer. He couldn't connect to the wlan. |
| 19:41.31 | End | that's more like a sentry totem actually |
| 19:41.41 | End | in fact, that IS a sentry totem |
| 19:41.43 | |pez| | now, after a lot of debugging without result.. |
| 19:41.51 | kd3 | meh... http://cccp-project.net if you're having trouble playing the cinematic |
| 19:42.10 | alestane | It's a sentry totem with some eye of Kilrogg added...is it stationary? |
| 19:42.19 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm hoping it's more like eye of kilrogg |
| 19:42.21 | |pez| | My boyfriend asks if the customer could go check the other machines in his home... to see if they were interfering or something |
| 19:42.27 | End | It sounds like a sentry totem |
| 19:42.33 | kneeki | It's like an eye of kilrogg |
| 19:42.35 | End | if it can move |
| 19:42.40 | kneeki | but you can fly as high as you want |
| 19:42.42 | End | it's WAY better than eye of kilrogg |
| 19:42.44 | jaxdahl | Video: DXGM 1024x576 23.98fps 2098Kbps [Video 0] |
| 19:42.48 | |pez| | then the customer says that he's not at home... but at a hotel. And can't understand why he can't connect to his home wlan... |
| 19:42.49 | jaxdahl | that's what mplayerc is telling me |
| 19:42.50 | kneeki | and has stealth =) |
| 19:42.54 | End | :( |
| 19:43.18 | End | eye lasts 30 seconds, can switch between self and eye, and can't fly without a glyph |
| 19:43.31 | kneeki | But it's just a quest buff |
| 19:43.32 | End | er |
| 19:43.34 | End | 45 seconds |
| 19:43.38 | AckisWork | "we will be offering a few upgrades and special rewards in next content patch solely for purchase via the honor system" are those just the cloaks/trinkets that were listed or is there other nifty things? |
| 19:43.43 | kneeki | You have it for a few minutes, to do your quest. then it goes away |
| 19:43.44 | End | kneeki: there's two spells there |
| 19:43.49 | End | the first one is the quest one |
| 19:44.04 | kneeki | where is the 2nd? |
| 19:44.15 | End | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=57532 |
| 19:44.31 | End | I'm pretty sure it's just a sentry totem |
| 19:44.36 | kneeki | I... Don't remember that quest |
| 19:44.48 | End | the description matches sentry totem almost exactly |
| 19:44.51 | kd3 | that was like the 4th quest in the DK quest line |
| 19:44.55 | kneeki | yeah |
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| 19:45.20 | alestane | Sounds like it's not stealthed and doesn't move. |
| 19:45.23 | jaxdahl | i have an idea - what if when acclimation procs, it lowers the cooldown of AMS by X seconds -- kind of like how night of the dead works |
| 19:45.24 | End | yeah |
| 19:45.47 | End | the description is pretty much a copy of sentry with a few words changed |
| 19:45.57 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 19:46.12 | End | Eye of Acherus' |
| 19:46.13 | alestane | Meh. Still no patch downloaders. |
| 19:46.17 | End | : Summons the Eye of Acherus with 100 health 5 min that allows vision of nearby area and warns of enemies that attack it. Right-Click on buff to switch back and forth between Eye of Acherus and normal vision. |
| 19:46.29 | End | Sentry totem: Summons an immobile Sentry Totem with 100 health at your feet for 5 min that allows vision of nearby area and warns of enemies that attack it. Right-Click on buff to switch back and forth between totem sight and shaman sight. |
| 19:46.45 | End | hm, eye doesn't say its immobile though |
| 19:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | could just be a wording different |
| 19:47.03 | NightHawkTheSane | difference* |
| 19:47.07 | End | probably |
| 19:47.08 | Neuro_Medivh | flying sentry totem would be somewhat useful... or at least, more fun |
| 19:47.16 | NightHawkTheSane | guess we wont know until (and if) it becomes available in game |
| 19:47.52 | Neuro_Medivh | it'd be nice if it had the real Eye ability of stealth |
| 19:48.01 | NightHawkTheSane | thats unlikely |
| 19:48.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I agree |
| 19:48.14 | Neuro_Medivh | prolly can't summon ghouls either =) |
| 19:48.25 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, almost guaranteed :) |
| 19:48.37 | Neuro_Medivh | would be some serious hotness though |
| 19:48.40 | Esamynn | http://idle.slashdot.org/idle/08/09/23/1528259.shtml /facepalm |
| 19:48.56 | Neuro_Medivh | "Um, we're bringing down the servers to fix the insane brokenness of Eye of Acherus" |
| 19:49.14 | Sixen | Lawl, so uh.. |
| 19:49.25 | Neuro_Medivh | Esamynn, they have that policy at a lot of schools here in TX too |
| 19:49.28 | Sixen | Realms will be down for no more than 15minutes and the entire process will last for 1 hour. |
| 19:49.31 | Neuro_Medivh | it's seriously sad |
| 19:49.33 | Sixen | It's now been 2 hours and all the realms are still down. |
| 19:49.43 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: it's *beyond* sad |
| 19:49.46 | Esamynn | it's criminal |
| 19:50.06 | Neuro_Medivh | at the school my gf teaches, the lowest grade you can get for a six-weeks is a 50 |
| 19:50.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: it's a byproduct of 'no child left behind' >< |
| 19:50.47 | Neuro_Medivh | no child left behind is fine on paper, horrible in implementation. "Oh, we lose money if we don't graduate enough kids? Just lower the graduation standards!" |
| 19:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | Which was a dumb-ass thing to implement in the first place, which makes this "byproduct" a lame genetic defect offshoot of a bad idea. |
| 19:51.03 | NightHawkTheSane | no, its a horrible idea altogether. |
| 19:51.07 | ShaneSveller | Esamynn: why bother to grade on any kind of scale? why not get grades like "living human", "alert", "attentive", "involved"? |
| 19:51.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: which tells you just how HORRIBLE it is :p |
| 19:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 19:51.30 | Dashkal | I'm unsure why they bother to grade anymore... If you cannot fail under any circumstances... why are they bothering at all? |
| 19:51.33 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, it's actually a fine concept, improving the education system |
| 19:51.39 | ShaneSveller | Dashkal: exactly |
| 19:52.02 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: Huh? It _degrades_ the system. They produce worse students come graduation |
| 19:52.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i've got nothing against improving the education system, but that act does NOTHING to do that. |
| 19:52.36 | ShaneSveller | if anything, NCLB just increases the gap between wealthy/private schools and a non-wealthy/innerc-city schools |
| 19:52.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal, NightHawkTheSane, I'm talking about the theory and purpose. Those are fine and laudible goals |
| 19:52.43 | jaxdahl | every child needs a shot at a proper education -- those that have a better aptitude for learning should have the chance to learn more without being held back |
| 19:52.46 | alestane | Customer: âIâd like the halibut. Is there any way you can make that vegan?â |
| 19:52.46 | alestane | Waitstaff: âOther than by making it not be a fish, no.â |
| 19:52.58 | Dashkal | My pet conspiracy theory stands: They're intentionally fucking the education system to keep americans stupid. |
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| 19:53.33 | ShaneSveller | Dashkal: particularly the poor, minorities, and inner-city kids who are already more prone/exposed to criminal acts |
| 19:53.39 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: programs like that are the only reason I survived school. |
| 19:53.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: 10 years ago i would have called that a real nutcase theory. 5 years ago i would have waved it off as mildly insane. these days. *shrug* |
| 19:53.43 | Lopeppeppy | ... vegan fish.... only eats plant planktons, what? |
| 19:54.03 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I'd like to think I'm just being cynical... *sighs* |
| 19:54.05 | Tem | I missed the context |
| 19:54.11 | Neuro_Medivh | Conspiracy theories fail for the simplest of reasons |
| 19:54.13 | Tem | Dashkal: programs like what? |
| 19:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | Tem: http://idle.slashdot.org/idle/08/09/23/1528259.shtml |
| 19:54.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: original context is this article Esamynn linked: http://idle.slashdot.org/idle/08/09/23/1528259.shtml |
| 19:54.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: Dashkal was referring to the no child left behind act. |
| 19:54.47 | Dashkal | Tem: I'm ADHD and above-average in mathematics, logic, etc. I was failing that in school because it bored me to tears |
| 19:54.47 | Neuro_Medivh | heck, a 10 man guild can't even all agree to a single course of action, much less thousands of govt employees |
| 19:54.55 | NightHawkTheSane | er, wait, no.. |
| 19:55.05 | Tem | aha |
| 19:55.06 | Dashkal | Tem: Programs that allowed me to excel are the only reason I passed |
| 19:55.29 | Tem | I feel your pain |
| 19:55.50 | jaxdahl | education should be as local as possible, without federal involvement -- of course there are budgetary issues to consider as well |
| 19:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: eh, thats not really valid, its not as if every one of those thousands of employees have a say in very much :p |
| 19:55.58 | Esamynn | you know what really scares me? the thought that some (or maybe all) of the people who implement these polices might actually believe they are helping their students... |
| 19:56.32 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: My point being, vast conspiracy theories like "Oh, 9/11 was a govt action" fail because it's just impossible to get that many people to stay quiet |
| 19:56.46 | ShaneSveller | it's not as if every student in a district can be stupid, right? unless there's something in the water/environment? |
| 19:56.51 | ShaneSveller | </joke> |
| 19:56.54 | jaxdahl | but if i ever raise kids of my own, i'm using the ghost of Socrates on them and teaching them via the socratic method |
| 19:56.58 | Dashkal | Esamynn: I have no doubt that there are quite a number that do believe it's for the best. |
| 19:57.02 | Neuro_Medivh | It's all about money, obviously |
| 19:57.07 | Dashkal | But not all (see above pet conspiracy theory) |
| 19:57.12 | Lopeppeppy | Give me your golds and your children, it's for the best, really. |
| 19:57.42 | ShaneSveller | schools need money for their students to do well, so lower-scoring schools could use the additional help (within reason), not penalties. |
| 19:57.50 | Neuro_Medivh | Lopeppeppy, that's the next step. Brave New World type state-fostering |
| 19:58.32 | jaxdahl | have a kid, send it away to state school when they turn 4, you never see them again |
| 19:58.47 | Dashkal | (Ignore nclb) The real problem they're having with schools and funding is that either the reward high grades or low grades by giving money. This of course leads to the schools trying to make the grades match whatever is required. This doesn't necessarally have a damn thing to do with how much they _need_ the funding |
| 19:59.05 | Neuro_Medivh | exactly |
| 19:59.21 | Neuro_Medivh | Schools will try and game the system no matter how it's set up |
| 19:59.24 | Dashkal | So, here's the question: How do you identify which schools need help? |
| 19:59.43 | Dashkal | Find a solution that's reasonably resistant to corruption and you might be onto something |
| 19:59.44 | ShaneSveller | Dashkal: the grades are only partial indication |
| 20:00.11 | Neuro_Medivh | As Dashkal is saying... if you say that schools with low grades get more money, then the school will intentionally fail their students for more money |
| 20:00.40 | Neuro_Medivh | if you say schools with low grades get less money, then those schools with make the tests super-easy to get more money |
| 20:00.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: actually, one of the biggest problems, in that regard, is that public schools are still locally managed. there is ZERO coordination among school districts |
| 20:01.03 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: that would be a telling flaw in the system, yes |
| 20:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | so different distrincts will slip out of 'sync' with how much funding their getting, which teachers they have access to, etc. |
| 20:01.13 | Dashkal | Schools are very prone to politics and turf wars |
| 20:01.18 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, not entirely true... most States have guidelines that all districts must follow |
| 20:01.23 | Dashkal | Needs more vertical management |
| 20:01.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: they're pretty loose, most districts manage a LOT on their own |
| 20:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no ability to transfer teachers between districts, either. |
| 20:01.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: and, god forbid you want to teach in another state |
| 20:01.58 | jaxdahl | wow i think i'm going to see 7k+ frost strikes again |
| 20:02.30 | Neuro_Medivh | well, dunno about other states, but in Texas, if you have a teaching cert from another state, it's super easy to get one in TX |
| 20:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | so if you're a certified teacher in one state, you may have to get recertified -all over again- to teach in another state |
| 20:02.48 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, that's almost any profession |
| 20:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, some states have provisions for that, but NOT all of them. typically southern states are more forgiving |
| 20:02.56 | Neuro_Medivh | lawyer, doctor, etc |
| 20:03.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: but this is a -public- school system, not a private practice. |
| 20:03.13 | ShaneSveller | southern states are more forgiving of lots of things...like incest! =P |
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| 20:03.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Shane: Obviously, you haven't seen crime statistics from Texas... |
| 20:03.53 | Dreagar | hey ya'll. can someone help me debug this damn string matching problem? |
| 20:03.59 | Neuro_Medivh | forgiveness isn't a big thing in TX =) |
| 20:04.05 | Dreagar | or maybe i can use the interpreter here. |
| 20:04.10 | Neuro_Medivh | ~asktoask |
| 20:04.11 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:04.12 | Dashkal | Dreagar: just ask the question |
| 20:04.13 | ShaneSveller | Neuro_Medivh: ok, ok, death penalty aside... |
| 20:04.20 | Syzgyn | ~botsnack |
| 20:04.20 | purl | Syzgyn: thanks |
| 20:04.23 | Dashkal | and if you want to use the interpreter a lot, please do it in tells |
| 20:04.28 | kd3 | hey, purl's back |
| 20:04.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and, of course, because districts/states are so autonomous and politicized, teachers go where the money and resources are, not where their help is actually needed. So.. the schools that NEED the good teachers only get the poorer ones, because the good teachers go to the good schools. |
| 20:05.09 | Dashkal | (one lines are fine, and it's very handy to illustrate a point, there's just this time or two someone does 5+ queries and spams the channel :S ) |
| 20:05.19 | ShaneSveller | NightHawkTheSane: the solution is, communistic education system! yeah! |
| 20:05.20 | jaxdahl | "Hammer of Justice now also interrupts the spellcasting for 3 seconds on all ranks." |
| 20:05.29 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, Texas had this issue like 20 years ago... the school funding was a product of local property tax, so rich neighborhoods had tons of money for schools, and poor ones had no money |
| 20:05.38 | jaxdahl | does this mean mages can't blink for 3s? |
| 20:05.53 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I'd like to contest the use of the word 'good teachers' under that context. Teachers who are just after the cash aren't necesarally good teachers in terms of teaching students. |
| 20:05.56 | Syzgyn | Hahaha that'd be funny |
| 20:05.57 | Dreagar | hm. well i'm trying to get the numbers out of the experience gain line. IE " YOu have gained 50 exp" i used string.match(arg, "%d+) but it doesn't work the way i think |
| 20:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: hah, that'd be awesome :D |
| 20:06.06 | jaxdahl | i'm not sure what exactly it means |
| 20:06.18 | Dreagar | add the quote at the end of th + there |
| 20:06.26 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: I think you'd have to hammer them during an arcane spell |
| 20:06.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: its not a new issue by any means, but its certainly still around. :p |
| 20:06.32 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal, I disagree... if you're a teacher, and you're offered 30k a year to teach in place A, and 50k a year to teach in place B, which will you choose? |
| 20:06.33 | jaxdahl | Dashkal, perhaps |
| 20:06.35 | Dashkal | it's "interrupt" not "silence" |
| 20:06.56 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: All I'm saying is ability to teach and desire for more cash cannot be liked together directly like that |
| 20:07.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: oh, certainly, but the thing is, schools that have teachers swarming to them can have their pick of whoever. :p |
| 20:07.14 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane is right |
| 20:07.27 | Neuro_Medivh | better teachers will go wherever the money is best |
| 20:07.34 | Neuro_Medivh | because they can beat out the crappy teachers |
| 20:07.39 | Neuro_Medivh | just like in any profession |
| 20:07.44 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: (serious question) How well can you actually judge a teacher's ability to impart knowedge based on interviews? This is a skill apart from having the knowedge in the first place |
| 20:08.09 | Syzgyn | Dreagar, I dont know why that wouldnt be working |
| 20:08.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, I couldn't tell you that, I'm not a teacher, and I've never worked in the education system. |
| 20:08.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal, teachers are judged by things like pass-fail rates, improvement of student rates, etc |
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| 20:08.26 | ShaneSveller | Neuro_Medivh: which is silly. |
| 20:08.27 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: that sounds pretty gameable |
| 20:08.37 | Neuro_Medivh | There's a lot of metrics involved |
| 20:08.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: but, there ARE ways to judge the overall quality of a teacher, just as in any job. |
| 20:08.44 | ShaneSveller | you can have a fantastic teacher who just gets students that don't cooperate and put forth equal effort to the teacher's |
| 20:08.48 | jaxdahl | ummm did they just take 5% dodge away from prot warriors? |
| 20:08.56 | Syzgyn | ? |
| 20:09.02 | Dreagar | me either. :( it goes like this. xp = string.match(arg1, "%d+) i print out the arg1 befhore hand and it prints out "You have gained 50 experience" and i print xp after and get nil. |
| 20:09.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Shane, you could make an argument that a fantastic teacher is one who can motivate students who don't cooperate |
| 20:09.26 | jaxdahl | nvm, wrong warrior spell |
| 20:09.33 | Dreagar | should i be useing gmatch? |
| 20:09.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: the other thing im kinda skirting around, and i shouldn't, is that it's not strictly about good vs bad teachers. It's about where the teachers are GOING. |
| 20:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Teachers will go where they t hink they can get a good job at a good school. |
| 20:09.46 | ShaneSveller | Dreagar: you do have the string properly closed with another quote, right? |
| 20:09.46 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: No contest on that point |
| 20:09.47 | jaxdahl | they took the 5% dodge away from vigilance |
| 20:09.52 | Syzgyn | lua> local xp = string.match("you have gained 50 exp", "%d+"); print(xp) |
| 20:09.52 | lua_bot | Syzgyn: 50 |
| 20:09.55 | Syzgyn | No idea |
| 20:09.56 | Dreagar | yeah sorry. lol |
| 20:10.02 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, of course they do. |
| 20:10.05 | NightHawkTheSane | They're not going to want to move across country to teach at a redneck school, that pays them as little as possible and has students that barely show up for class. |
| 20:10.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Do you plan on working for McDonalds as the fry cook all your life? |
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| 20:10.23 | NightHawkTheSane | so again, the divide between the haves and have-nots (even in the public system) worses. |
| 20:10.26 | NightHawkTheSane | worsens* |
| 20:10.44 | Thunder_Child | if anyone is interested they have a mel brooks movie pack @ amazon for $40 |
| 20:10.45 | ShaneSveller | isn't that more or less the case with all facets of life, these days? /cynic |
| 20:10.53 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, NightHawkTheSane, I just have a personal objection to the argument that teachers should be these selfless martyrs for the education system |
| 20:10.55 | Tem | something occurred to me on my way to work |
| 20:10.57 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Mind you there's quite a bit more to the picture than teachers. Especially for the situation you described. Many areas simply don't value education (and some shun it entirely) |
| 20:11.02 | Tem | AMS == CloS |
| 20:11.08 | Dreagar | hmm. well it should work then. let me see a couple other things and i'll be back with a pastey if not. |
| 20:11.09 | Tem | only AMS is less effective |
| 20:11.10 | jaxdahl | not nearly the same thing tem |
| 20:11.14 | Tem | and more expensive |
| 20:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i'm not saying they should. im saying the system should be designed so they don't HAVE to be selfless or selfish |
| 20:11.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: oh, absolutely. |
| 20:11.32 | jaxdahl | clos works on curses, poisons, diseases, magic |
| 20:11.37 | Tem | CloS gives an effective immunity to magic |
| 20:11.42 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, heheh, the problem is designing such a system that isn't abused |
| 20:11.43 | Tem | so does AMS |
| 20:11.46 | Tem | they work differently |
| 20:11.47 | ShaneSveller | when we can directly implant knowledge, this debate will become moot |
| 20:11.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: indeed. :) |
| 20:11.49 | Tem | but CloS is better |
| 20:11.53 | jaxdahl | AMS only prevents magical debuffs |
| 20:11.59 | Dashkal | It's a public system. Teacher wages should be flat-rate across the board. School funding is obviously a trickier subject |
| 20:12.05 | Tem | because AMS only ---prevents--- debuffs |
| 20:12.09 | Tem | CloS removes them |
| 20:12.10 | Neuro_Medivh | Keep in mind, I'm biased as my GF is a teacher, and I hear her side of it ALL THE TIME |
| 20:12.17 | Tem | which makes me angry |
| 20:12.18 | Dashkal | (and would obviously be considered by teachers given an even payscale) |
| 20:12.20 | ShaneSveller | but maybe that technique/technology will never be developed because the prodigy who will invent it went to school in detroit and failed out. |
| 20:12.25 | Dreagar | argh. ok problems with my code elsewhere. back to debuggin. :) |
| 20:12.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, flat rate ignores things like seniority, and experience, that's not strictly good either. |
| 20:12.38 | morkii | what class do you think will be the healing chart topper in wrath |
| 20:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: my mother is a (now retired) teacher, so yeah :D |
| 20:12.50 | ShaneSveller | Neuro_Medivh: my father's been a teacher my entire life |
| 20:12.54 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: You can make those static as well (pay based on number of years holding a recognized cert) |
| 20:12.59 | jaxdahl | morkii, depends on the fight |
| 20:13.07 | jaxdahl | druids will be up there i think |
| 20:13.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal, most teachers are flat-rate, based on years of experience |
| 20:13.13 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Seinority in a given location is a very bad idea |
| 20:13.19 | Neuro_Medivh | but the flat rate varied from district to district |
| 20:13.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: not strictly so, and it varies by location |
| 20:13.43 | ShaneSveller | does everyone agree that tenure at colleges and the like is only sometimes a good idea and is often abused? |
| 20:14.01 | Dashkal | ShaneSveller: I can agree with that |
| 20:14.02 | Neuro_Medivh | Shane, I know nothing about the tenure system so it's hard to argue for or against |
| 20:14.20 | Syzgyn | I never understood the idea of giving a professor the ability to say 'fuck you all, you cant fire me' |
| 20:14.29 | Syzgyn | Reardless of its merits |
| 20:14.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Syz, it's to protect the teacher from the whims of the masses |
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| 20:14.40 | Dashkal | The education system appears to be build up in a manner than encourages turf wars. Individual people in the system carve out their five foot square and defend it to the death |
| 20:14.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: its not about that, it's about protecting a teacher frmo being fired because the school wants to replace him with someone younger and chaper |
| 20:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | cheaper* |
| 20:14.56 | Syzgyn | Ah, well that makes some sense |
| 20:14.58 | NightHawkTheSane | also yeah, from the whims of unhappy plebs. :p |
| 20:15.17 | Neuro_Medivh | but yeah, it turns into a "I have tenure, I can teach and say what I want" |
| 20:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: thing is, it does get abused exactly like you say, some people go "haha, i have tenure, FUCK YOU!" |
| 20:15.24 | Dashkal | I won't say it's without merit, but it does look a little slanted the other way |
| 20:15.25 | ShaneSveller | All i know is that it (tenure system) resulted in me taking several miserable college courses with a terribly idiosyncratic old man who's mine wandered like the Hebrews through the desert |
| 20:15.44 | morkii | is dk damage more support? or can they compete for tops |
| 20:15.51 | Syzgyn | But then, the question is: Why would the Uni give someone tenure if they were just planning on firing them a few years later anyway |
| 20:15.55 | ShaneSveller | who in his time, may have been a wonderful, motivated teacher but is now just a bitter old geezer who refuses to bend or listen |
| 20:15.58 | Dashkal | morkii: they can compete |
| 20:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | morkii: the intent is that they can deal competetive dps. |
| 20:16.14 | Dashkal | morkii: weather they make it depends on if they spec pure DPS or raid utility |
| 20:16.14 | NightHawkTheSane | competitive* |
| 20:16.22 | Neuro_Medivh | DKs are competative with fury wars |
| 20:16.29 | Syzgyn | Thats not saying much right now |
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| 20:16.31 | Neuro_Medivh | they can't match rogues |
| 20:16.44 | Neuro_Medivh | or, i believe, hunters |
| 20:17.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd honestly wait until release, or very-near release to do true dps comparisons between classes. there's still time for tweaking of that |
| 20:17.15 | Neuro_Medivh | ^ |
| 20:17.37 | Zootfizzle | ShaneSveller: Out of curiousity, did you or anyone you know express your opinion of the professor to him? |
| 20:17.53 | ShaneSveller | frequently, including other professors both to his students and to himself |
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| 20:18.15 | Syzgyn | Is the beta down currently? |
| 20:18.17 | ShaneSveller | i'm sure several people got failing grades out of vindictiveness |
| 20:18.17 | Zootfizzle | I'm happy to hear that, and that makes it even more terrible than it would be regardless |
| 20:18.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: new build inc, yes. |
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| 20:18.24 | Syzgyn | Ok |
| 20:18.40 | Syzgyn | I patched and was getting invalid version, was about to freak out |
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| 20:18.52 | End | Syzgyn: chill dude! |
| 20:18.53 | morkii | boo i still didn't get a key to try it yet |
| 20:18.54 | End | ;-) |
| 20:18.55 | ShaneSveller | though, i can't say if i was in his place and a 20-something told me i had no effing clue what i was talking about anymore, i'd probably fail his little ass too. |
| 20:19.29 | Syzgyn | End: If I have to reinstall the beta from scratch at this point, It'd be justifiable :P |
| 20:19.41 | Dashkal | I just avoided the instructor I had like that. Stopped attending his lectures entirely and read the text |
| 20:19.50 | Dashkal | He had an ego larger than the damn lecture hall |
| 20:19.56 | End | I just assume the login server doesn't know about the new version yet |
| 20:20.00 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 20:20.13 | Syzgyn | I didnt know how recent the patch was |
| 20:20.23 | ShaneSveller | Dashkal: often the case. you spend years acting like you know everything about the subject, and eventually you start to believe it. |
| 20:20.28 | Dashkal | Made my position very clear when they did the little feedback bit at the end of the class |
| 20:20.39 | Dashkal | As did many in my class |
| 20:20.45 | ShaneSveller | Quite. |
| 20:20.49 | Dashkal | Weather the school higher-ups cared or not, nother question |
| 20:20.56 | Dashkal | I never had to take another class of his so I'll never know |
| 20:21.00 | Syzgyn | Ah well, time to grind more Wintersaber rep |
| 20:21.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: those feedback things DO get looked at by the department heads. |
| 20:21.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: who's to say how they took it, but *shrug* |
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| 20:21.39 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I assumed so. They wouldn't waste their time taking them if they didn't intend to read them |
| 20:21.47 | ShaneSveller | A different instructor of mine (who just came up for tenure, naturally I wrote a polite response to the effect of "dear God, no.") blew up at one of her fresh-out-of-HS students for calling her "Mrs." rather than "Dr." |
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| 20:22.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, some people have this mistaken idea that things like that are just for "show" ;) like all the morons who think blizzard never listens to anyone :P |
| 20:22.34 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Nah, I'm more pragmatic. Those things cost cold, hard, cash to run. They wouldn't bother if they didn't care. |
| 20:22.35 | ShaneSveller | we're talking 15 minutes out of lecture time to inform this poor girl that she had just "trivialized years of study in my field to prioritize instead my status as a married woman". (and yes, she spoke like that.) |
| 20:22.38 | smcn | but blizz am deleting threads on ptr forum zomg they don't care what's a sticky? |
| 20:23.09 | Dashkal | ShaneSveller: I think I probably would have walked out of her class at that point... |
| 20:23.20 | NightHawkTheSane | so, on an unrelated note.. hmm: "+OPTION_TOOLTIP_SHOW_NUMERIC_THREAT = "Check this to show threat on targets as a percentage.";" |
| 20:23.42 | Dashkal | I'm there to learn, not to sit there and nurse your bruised ego |
| 20:23.52 | ShaneSveller | Dashkal: it's like, how hard is it to understand that in the mind of a ~19yo, "mrs." is still a sign of respect? |
| 20:24.02 | Dashkal | ShaneSveller: exactly |
| 20:24.23 | ShaneSveller | Dashkal: she was probably bitter that she had a doctorate in European History, lol |
| 20:24.30 | Dashkal | Correcting the student is fine. Making a production of it? Shut up and teach me, that's why I pay you :p (Phrased much more politely of course) |
| 20:24.57 | kd3 | sigh. [NewsFlash] President Bush to address the nation tonight on the Wall Street bailout and the season premiere of "Heroes," which he thought "totally rawked" |
| 20:25.09 | Zootfizzle | How about: People like you give intellectuals a bad name. Use your head, she was trying to be polite. If you don't have that much common sense, keep your mouth shut and go read more history. :P |
| 20:25.10 | ShaneSveller | kd3: farker? |
| 20:25.11 | Syzgyn | Hah |
| 20:25.14 | kd3 | yup |
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| 20:25.35 | Dashkal | :p |
| 20:25.50 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, it's no nice |
| 20:25.54 | Thunder_Child | s/no/to/ |
| 20:26.01 | Thunder_Child | too |
| 20:26.02 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 20:26.35 | ShaneSveller | kd3: i have an album in iPhoto solely for Fark photoshops, i bring it up whenever i feel down, and marvel at how hilariously crazy Farkers are |
| 20:26.37 | Dashkal | My instructor can expect me to be respectful, attentive, and want to be there. I expect my instructor to be respectful, and to teach me the damn class. Check your ego at the door please. |
| 20:26.38 | kd3 | ok, gah. my rss reader's lighting up with good fark entries today |
| 20:26.45 | kd3 | [Fail] Customer in line complains guy in front is taking too long. To rob the bank |
| 20:27.36 | Dewin | hmm... am I reading this right, there is no += operator in Lua? |
| 20:27.43 | kd3 | yup |
| 20:27.44 | Syzgyn | Correct |
| 20:27.46 | kd3 | i = i+4 |
| 20:27.54 | Dewin | I'm aware of the old fashioned way |
| 20:27.58 | Dewin | just... annoying ;) |
| 20:27.59 | ShaneSveller | kd3: glad they introduced the fail tag |
| 20:28.07 | kd3 | no kidding |
| 20:28.55 | Dewin | I don't suppose there's an API function that takes a raw faction standing value (i.e. -1000 -> unfriendly 2000/3000) somewhere I can abuse... |
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| 20:30.08 | Zootfizzle | Don't abuse my functions =( |
| 20:30.28 | Zootfizzle | We already spend millions on API therapy |
| 20:30.38 | Duman | heh |
| 20:30.48 | Dashkal | But but but, it's so *fun* tormenting the API... |
| 20:30.50 | Syzgyn | IIRC theres one that passes total rep |
| 20:30.52 | Zootfizzle | Last week alone the voice chat API had four doctor's appointments. |
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| 20:31.01 | Dewin | Actually, I'm in the middle of trying to figure out how ReputationFrame.lua does it. |
| 20:31.01 | bleeter | heh, reminds me of that 'old' joke about Elvis... |
| 20:31.02 | Dashkal | Zootfizzle: for neglect? |
| 20:31.04 | kd3 | wait, wait... people are /using/ the vchat API? |
| 20:31.09 | Iriel | The voice chat API has had a bad rap all along |
| 20:31.11 | Zootfizzle | I'm getting dizzy just taking them to appointments |
| 20:31.13 | Dewin | ohhh. |
| 20:31.17 | Iriel | Dewin: I think GetFactionInfo returns the bounds of the 'current' band |
| 20:31.26 | Iriel | Dewin: So it doesn't have to think too hard |
| 20:31.28 | Dewin | So it does. |
| 20:31.30 | bleeter | 'some people say he was into drug abuse, he'd spend days in the bathroom screaming profanities at small bottles' |
| 20:31.44 | Duman | bahaha |
| 20:32.25 | Syzgyn | Yeah, GetFactionInfo, earnedValue nteger - Numeric representation of the TOTAL reputation earned with this faction, ex. 1500/3000 Neutral is 1500, 2500/6000 Friendly is 5500 |
| 20:33.05 | Dewin | I knew that, I didn't realize that bottomLevel/topLevel made it easy to figure it out though ;) |
| 20:33.11 | Dewin | I don't need to write a separate function. |
| 20:33.11 | Syzgyn | :P |
| 20:33.22 | Dewin | Actually... yes, I still do need to write a separate function |
| 20:33.47 | Iriel | as long as you know the bounds it's easy to write a lua function to normalize it |
| 20:33.50 | Dewin | because rather than scanning the entire faction list every time there's a rep change, I'm using an event that contains the name (not ID) and amount of change. |
| 20:33.58 | Dashkal | I totally believe this one: http://notalwaysright.com/i-once-had-a-customer-this-dumb/406 |
| 20:34.05 | Dewin | Iriel: I need to be able to add/subtract an arbitrary amount and still get the correct faction |
| 20:34.13 | Dewin | standingId* rather |
| 20:34.32 | Iriel | you store the 'absolute' faction, and write a function that groups it.. one sec. |
| 20:34.40 | Dewin | That's exactly what I'm doing |
| 20:34.53 | Dewin | was just trying to see if it was necessary first |
| 20:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN guys, home time for Peppy. |
| 20:35.52 | Dashkal | laters |
| 20:36.19 | Josh_Borke | http://notalwaysright.com/de-ting-de-ting/308 for all you tech support people |
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| 20:39.00 | AWCz62M | ~lart ckknight |
| 20:39.00 | purl | runs at ckknight with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 20:39.01 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 20:39.05 | zenzelezz | QQ |
| 20:39.21 | zenzelezz | nice catch there, bot |
| 20:39.39 | NightHawkTheSane | thats what it's there for, zenzelezz |
| 20:39.40 | ckknight | :-( |
| 20:39.46 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: only that? |
| 20:39.56 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that and for other.. "she-bot" activitie. |
| 20:39.58 | NightHawkTheSane | s |
| 20:41.32 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/i-bet-its-dying-from-stupid-owneritis/573 |
| 20:44.03 | kd3 | ptr patch is up |
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| 20:44.31 | kneeki | kd3: Yup |
| 20:44.40 | Syzgyn | Whens beta supposed to be back up? |
| 20:44.49 | kd3 | soonish |
| 20:44.49 | kneeki | And woot servers crashed when bags of crap went up for sale |
| 20:44.58 | kneeki | just now =( |
| 20:45.22 | Thunder_Child | finally over huh |
| 20:45.46 | kd3 | rofl |
| 20:45.55 | kd3 | was wondering how long they were gonna keep that up |
| 20:46.00 | kd3 | at least it's not the april fool's wootoff |
| 20:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, that was hilarious |
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| 20:50.47 | Dewin | ... the patch level still isn't over 9000? |
| 20:51.06 | bleeter | it's not? FAIL ZOOT! FAIL!!! |
| 20:51.07 | Dashkal | Dewin: they're going to release wow with 8999 |
| 20:51.24 | kd3 | nah, 9000 |
| 20:51.37 | Dashkal | kd3: that'll be 3.0.3 :p |
| 20:51.50 | Iriel | Dewin: http://wow.pastey.net/96698 |
| 20:52.52 | bleeter | 303, hmmmm wonder if it'll play cute acid house bass lines at us |
| 20:53.17 | Icecoldcoke | I think the build number will reset to 1 after 8999, because they can't have people saying THE BUILD NUMBER IS OVER NINE THOUSAND forever. |
| 20:53.57 | Dashkal | I wonder if anything is planned for when the build hits 10k :p |
| 20:54.15 | bleeter | What? Rebirth is now a free download? When did that happen?? /mumble |
| 20:54.53 | foxlit | The awesomeness of svg: http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/aperture.svg |
| 20:55.03 | Dashkal | bleeter: huh? |
| 20:55.13 | Throngy | it is?? :o |
| 20:55.28 | Throngy | properllerheads here i come :) |
| 20:55.49 | Dewin | well... nothing like trying to log in to the PTR to test my code and being greeted with a 180 MB patch. Whee. |
| 20:55.52 | bleeter | Dashkal: Roland TB-303, is the electronic instrument that is the 'signature' bass line to 'acid house' music. Rebirth was Properllerhead software's software implementation of it, and it's related devices |
| 20:56.09 | bleeter | Throngy: rebirthmuseum.com |
| 20:56.25 | Dashkal | bleeter: ok, My mind was stuck on druid rebirth which made your statement make no sense. fail me. move along, nothing to see here |
| 20:57.15 | bleeter | Dashkal: it's OK, at least one person semi-understood my rant. thanks Throngy :) |
| 20:57.59 | kd3 | wow. 4486 bags of crap |
| 20:58.10 | Dewin | Own less dogs. |
| 20:58.14 | kd3 | one got ordered every 0.128s |
| 20:59.01 | Throngy | hehe thanks for the link bleeter :) |
| 20:59.38 | Dashkal | finally the wiki gets DK changes. The AMS nerf bites bigtime (just suddenly stopped being useful in PvE...). The damage is sexy, though |
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| 21:00.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: wow, welcome to an hour ago :) |
| 21:00.16 | Dashkal | At least it's useless unless they make a boss with a once a _minute_ freaking spell... |
| 21:00.30 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I know ams was discussed. Just took till now for me to read that anywhere :p |
| 21:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, obliterate added to rime. |
| 21:01.27 | Dashkal | Oh good, DG lost the minimum range. Given it's kinda-taunt effect, I rather disliked that |
| 21:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, AMZ buffed to 200%ap + 10k |
| 21:02.30 | Dashkal | Runic Focus - Added. Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your spells by 100% |
| 21:02.32 | Dashkal | wtf? |
| 21:02.36 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.37 | Icecoldcoke | I removed that :p |
| 21:02.49 | Icecoldcoke | It was near the deathknight stuff. |
| 21:02.56 | Icecoldcoke | So I wasn't sure |
| 21:03.09 | Dashkal | ahh ok |
| 21:03.12 | Dashkal | *refreshes page* |
| 21:03.30 | Dashkal | awww, they fixed the obscenely broken player ghoul asplosion |
| 21:03.43 | Dashkal | *flips his shadow of death point back elsewhere* |
| 21:04.20 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, stoneclaw now protects other totems.. |
| 21:04.32 | End | weird, aint it? |
| 21:04.43 | NightHawkTheSane | kinda. |
| 21:04.44 | zenzelezz | honor among totems |
| 21:04.47 | NightHawkTheSane | its a neat idea |
| 21:05.02 | Icecoldcoke | And incase anyone is wondering, on the wiki for damages that have weapon damage + blahblah the "Added damage increased." means the +blahblah damage was changed, not weapon damage. |
| 21:05.03 | End | I don't like what it COULD mean for grounding totem :P |
| 21:05.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but it means you're locked out of tremor/earthbind if you want to use it :\ |
| 21:06.05 | Icecoldcoke | please never dying ground totem |
| 21:06.06 | Icecoldcoke | lol |
| 21:06.38 | NightHawkTheSane | it would be amusing to see people start stunning themselves on stoneclaw totem, t hough |
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| 21:07.28 | Tornhoof | nah not with 1.6k hp |
| 21:07.35 | Icecoldcoke | Stoneclaw will be 1shot, then it could stun them for 3 seconds.. so it will take them maybe 6 seconds to kill every one of our totems. |
| 21:07.39 | Dashkal | hrm, is there to be a third badge tier in WotLK for heroics? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043242937&sid=1&pageNo=24#467 Given that the beta shares 10s with Heroics I'm guessing he's mistaken? |
| 21:08.13 | End | I forgot grounding totem has an internal cooldown |
| 21:08.22 | End | but it doesn't matter, since none of the spells I'd use trigger it |
| 21:08.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Icecoldcoke: sadly, yeah. |
| 21:08.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: he probably just misspoke |
| 21:09.07 | Dashkal | That's what I'm hoping. I rather like the idea of using heroics to climb into 10s. Just as I'm very much a fan of keeping 10s and 25s apart |
| 21:09.12 | bleeter | noes! they're turning the ergs off for 6 hours today.... how am I gunna survive!!! |
| 21:09.26 | bleeter | WTB: [Ergs] |
| 21:09.37 | Thunder_Child | battery? |
| 21:09.39 | Dashkal | I think I can handle "scrubs" getting tier 7.10 gear from heroics :p |
| 21:10.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: meh, you need to get over people getting gear. :p |
| 21:10.29 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I was using the term ironically :p |
| 21:10.38 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: possible, but every time I'll go to boil the kettle.... hmm... spose I could go get a portable gas cooker of types |
| 21:10.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: good :) |
| 21:11.14 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: when WotLK reaches the end of it's life I'd actually like to see the lower badges start working for better gear. But _only_ at the end of the xpack. |
| 21:11.42 | Dashkal | I really like how badges were done this time around |
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| 21:25.01 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: shameless poke |
| 21:25.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Also entirely unrelated, according to WoWInsider |
| 21:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 21:25.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "In today's Wrath beta patch, a cinematic was added to accompany a questline in Northrend that involves Angrathar the Wrath Gate." |
| 21:25.51 | kd3 | slowinsider is slow |
| 21:26.05 | cog|work | ~poke ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:26.05 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind ScytheBlade1, pokes ScytheBlade1 repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:26.06 | bleeter | yeah, I saw the avi files get applied |
| 21:26.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, it also sits in my RSS reader and informs me of random stupid crap |
| 21:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: been pointing people to the UI suggestions thread... and then one of them responded that the thread hasn't been updated for months, and they were curious if I actually meant to link them to that thread. =[ |
| 21:27.01 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: haha, that's funny, 'coz I have WoWInsider's RSS feed inside a 'Stupid WoW Crap' bookmark folder thingy |
| 21:27.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ bleeter |
| 21:27.39 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: tl;dr any plans to update it, should I just keep pointing people there, or what? |
| 21:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | "or what" is cool too, just curious |
| 21:28.01 | cog|work | it'll happen at some point... hopefully soon :P |
| 21:28.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, cool. Just making sure that was still the place to point people to |
| 21:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I know that the thread is read even if the OP hasn't been updated in months, but others don't |
| 21:28.45 | Thunder_Child | http://graphjam.com/2008/06/22/song-chart-memes-multivariate-increase-of-mceschers-popularity/ |
| 21:29.33 | p3lim | *cough* theres a spam bot on the wowi forums! |
| 21:29.48 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?find=lastposter&t=18283 |
| 21:30.51 | bleeter | p3lim: prolly a keylogger.... Cairenn, Dolby et al. check p3lim's last statement. |
| 21:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | huh. its national punctuation day! http://grammar.about.com/b/2008/09/24/ten-ways-to-celebrate-national-punctuation-day.htm |
| 21:33.11 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, I don't think it's a keylogger, it's much more modest than that |
| 21:33.25 | Neuro_Medivh | I just downloaded it |
| 21:33.26 | smcn | ill celebrate punctuation day by not using it to give them a break gnameen |
| 21:33.41 | Neuro_Medivh | it wants you to use a VALID, UNUSED game code to help generate a new one |
| 21:34.01 | Neuro_Medivh | so my theory is, it's just collecting unused game codes and mailing them back to the owner |
| 21:34.47 | Neuro_Medivh | not bad, really, especially when you realize that it's nearly impossible to admit to the theft, as it proves you were trying to steal a free game code |
| 21:35.09 | Maldivia | heh |
| 21:35.28 | Syzgyn | Holy hell, that Wrathgate cinematic was awesome |
| 21:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it just a .avi? |
| 21:35.39 | kd3 | yes |
| 21:35.40 | Maldivia | yep |
| 21:35.46 | kd3 | ~/wrath/Data/enUS/Interface/Cutscenes |
| 21:35.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, I shall check it out in a bit then |
| 21:35.55 | Syzgyn | http://files.filefront.com/WOW+Wrathgate+1024avi/;11881764;/fileinfo.html |
| 21:35.57 | Neuro_Medivh | AHAHAHAH |
| 21:36.14 | Maldivia | Syzgyn: the story was ok - wasn't impressed of the actual movie |
| 21:36.32 | Neuro_Medivh | the 'start.bat' file on that gamecard thing says "core.exe -smtp gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com -t blizzardauthenticate@gmail.com +cc +bc +D -f blizzardauthenticate@gmail.com -sub Account <config.txt |
| 21:36.41 | Syzgyn | It's obviously not the same as their regular cutscenes |
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| 21:36.52 | Syzgyn | but for being part of a quest line, its pretty awesome |
| 21:37.15 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: hehehe |
| 21:37.19 | cladhaire | I love PVPing against keyboard turners |
| 21:37.21 | cladhaire | tee hee |
| 21:37.27 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: at least they could try to hide it a bit? |
| 21:38.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.flickr.com/groups/quoteabuse/pool/ |
| 21:39.52 | End | DXGM, that's why |
| 21:40.04 | Neuro_Medivh | apparently, people who scam free game codes are lazy, whodathunkit? |
| 21:40.44 | Maldivia | hmm, they removed the flying carpets from tailoring |
| 21:41.09 | Maldivia | or well, some of them |
| 21:41.13 | Fisker- | cladhaire i will totally destroy you |
| 21:41.13 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:41.52 | cladhaire | k k |
| 21:41.54 | cladhaire | i'm in AV |
| 21:41.59 | cladhaire | hurry up and queue biznatch |
| 21:42.16 | Fisker- | nevers |
| 21:42.22 | Fisker- | av is fail |
| 21:42.35 | Maldivia | bleeter: it's a DivX encoded avi file, but with DXGM FourCC |
| 21:42.52 | Fisker- | xD? |
| 21:42.57 | Dolby | thanks for the ping bleeter |
| 21:43.00 | Fisker- | What's DXGM? |
| 21:43.17 | End | how Blizzard identifies their DivX avis |
| 21:43.24 | End | Blizzard isn't the only one though |
| 21:43.25 | bleeter | yeah, figured it was DXGM |
| 21:43.32 | Maldivia | DivX GaMe? |
| 21:44.02 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:44.23 | End | ScytheBlade1: this...last patch? |
| 21:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You're just jealous |
| 21:44.34 | End | you're like the last person to grab it ...off your own server? |
| 21:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | End: 8982 |
| 21:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 21:44.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I was at school when it hit |
| 21:44.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I am now home |
| 21:44.49 | End | ah |
| 21:45.06 | Fisker- | ScytheBlade1 is the awesomest person alive |
| 21:45.14 | End | servers aren't yet anyways though :P |
| 21:45.22 | smcn | most awesomest* sorry pet peave |
| 21:46.12 | Thunder_Child | "Fisker-: ScytheBlade1 is the awesomest person alive" Fisker- you should go see a doctor for the obvious mental issues you have |
| 21:46.41 | Lyn | moo |
| 21:46.57 | Lyn | i hate burning dvds for data "rescuing" |
| 21:47.00 | Fisker- | i did Thunder_Child :( |
| 21:47.02 | Fisker- | But i ated him |
| 21:47.09 | Thunder_Child | bad Fisker-, bad |
| 21:48.11 | Fisker- | why so offline coldarra? |
| 21:49.09 | Tem | do we have servers? |
| 21:49.13 | Tem | (tem is not at home) |
| 21:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still downloading :( |
| 21:49.24 | Tem | ?? |
| 21:49.29 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: I downloaded the patch from you |
| 21:49.31 | Tem | like 3 hours ago |
| 21:49.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: and I got *home* like an hour ago |
| 21:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Less actually |
| 21:50.09 | bleeter | hmmm, the login screen is really really lagge |
| 21:50.10 | bleeter | laggy |
| 21:50.14 | smcn | yeah |
| 21:50.15 | bleeter | for me at least :/ |
| 21:50.29 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532593185&sid=1 |
| 21:51.04 | bleeter | kd3: beta, not PTR... and I'm banned from Beta forums... so... meh |
| 21:51.18 | Tem | bleeter: how'd you get banned from the beta forums? |
| 21:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: profail. Also note that the client *is the same binary* |
| 21:51.21 | kd3 | meh, they're qqing on the PTR forum too |
| 21:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Well more or less |
| 21:51.25 | kd3 | apparently it's the same problem |
| 21:51.33 | Neuro_Medivh | I was about to ask that same question Tem =) |
| 21:51.43 | bleeter | Tem: having a moan about the Bolvar/Prestor apparent cockup |
| 21:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | He trolled a thread about the Ony quest chain |
| 21:51.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Did Eyonix hit you with the banhammer? |
| 21:51.57 | Tem | eh |
| 21:51.59 | bleeter | nfi |
| 21:52.04 | bleeter | didn't get a mail or anything, tbh |
| 21:52.07 | Tem | I think it's really lame that they brough wryn back |
| 21:52.16 | Tem | I thought the whole missing diplomat chain was fucking awesome |
| 21:52.16 | bleeter | so iut's not as if I'm edumacated in what I specifically did wrong |
| 21:52.26 | bleeter | so if their intent was to edumacate me |
| 21:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: link to your last post there? :P |
| 21:52.29 | bleeter | it's total fail |
| 21:52.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, depends... if they have a cool end-of-BC event involving the king, it could work |
| 21:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | (ie, the one that got your banned) |
| 21:52.42 | Tem | and the onyxia attunement was the best part of it |
| 21:53.01 | Tem | eh, time to go home |
| 21:53.02 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I had switched several toons during that session. It's impossible to search for the entirety of one's own account's postings... so really I have N.F.I. |
| 21:53.03 | Fisker- | Anything to hurt the alliance is good news |
| 21:53.06 | Tem | I really wanna see the new DK mount |
| 21:53.08 | smcn | the mpq's have had voiceovers for arthas' attack on stormwind & orgrimmar for quite a few builds |
| 21:53.14 | Fisker- | Just a shame they unnerfed the Furbolg item |
| 21:53.42 | Dashkal | ~rmallet Fisker- |
| 21:53.42 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker- about the head and shoulders with a rubber mallet |
| 21:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: in that case, "troll less, you'll be able to post more" ;D |
| 21:54.33 | Fisker- | i got permbanned |
| 21:54.34 | Fisker- | >.3 |
| 21:54.44 | Tekkub | http://graphjam.com/2008/08/22/song-chart-memes-web-development/ |
| 21:54.56 | Thunder_Child | it's your onw damn fault Fisker- |
| 21:54.59 | Fisker- | nah |
| 21:55.00 | Thunder_Child | own* |
| 21:55.06 | Fisker- | i didn't do anything! |
| 21:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: 110% accurate |
| 21:55.34 | Dashkal | Tem|afk: bringing him back is plenty cool -- long as the kill the twit by the end of WotLK :p |
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| 21:56.09 | Dashkal | I _really_ wanted to "accidentally" take his head off for a bit there... |
| 21:56.40 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* http://graphjam.com/2008/06/29/song-chart-memes-analysis-of-men/ |
| 21:56.56 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: .... don't get me started ... |
| 21:57.05 | Thunder_Child | "Thatâs an insult to straight men everywhere who are, in fact, charming, intelligent, and attractive. Cut the sour grapes." "What, both of them?" |
| 21:58.07 | wereHamster | Thunder_Child: I'm neither married nor gay. So what am I: intelligent, attractive or charming? |
| 21:58.32 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, and you are asking me why? |
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| 22:01.14 | Neuro_Medivh | wereHamster, there's a huge area covered by 'white space' |
| 22:01.24 | Dashkal | I know notalwaysright is the new thing, but: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/24/funny-pictures-the-system-works/ |
| 22:01.33 | wereHamster | ah there. Thanks Neuro_Medivh :)) |
| 22:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | http://graphjam.com/2008/06/28/song-chart-memes-classification-of-young-american-females/ |
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| 22:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | which reminds me, this is an equally amusing blog: http://indexed.blogspot.com/ |
| 22:04.29 | kd3 | indexed! |
| 22:06.05 | zenzelezz | I miss "Jacob's chatter" |
| 22:06.53 | nevcairiel | Does anyone know what "Sound_EnableMode2" does? :) |
| 22:07.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Only one way to find out! |
| 22:07.25 | kd3 | nev; either headphone mode or modulated DK voices |
| 22:08.50 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 22:08.53 | nevcairiel | those 2 are |
| 22:08.53 | nevcairiel | SET Sound_EnableSoftwareHRTF "1" |
| 22:08.53 | nevcairiel | SET Sound_EnableDSPEffects "0" |
| 22:08.56 | nevcairiel | those ^ |
| 22:09.31 | Fisker- | xD? |
| 22:09.32 | nevcairiel | that Mode2 trys to get hardware channels even if hardware is disabled |
| 22:09.37 | nevcairiel | so it fails on my vista :D |
| 22:09.49 | Fisker- | WHERE IS MY COLDARRA? |
| 22:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "--Performance updates and new performance logging to help get the servers in good condition. " |
| 22:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I have my hopes |
| 22:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But something tells me that getting my hopes up will only result in me going emo shortly after |
| 22:11.20 | Cide | logging implies it's not fixed |
| 22:11.25 | Cide | it's being fixed :P |
| 22:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | "performance updates" also implies fixes |
| 22:11.38 | Cide | true |
| 22:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | logging implies they have no idea whats going on.. |
| 22:11.57 | Zootfizzle | Yes, whenever you start logging something, you don't know what's going on. |
| 22:12.09 | Zootfizzle | That's the best logic I've heard all day ;) |
| 22:12.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, Zoot lives! |
| 22:12.15 | Fisker- | logging FOR SERVERS implies server logging |
| 22:12.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, if you KNEW what was going on, you wouldn't need logs to figure it out. ;) |
| 22:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | How goes? |
| 22:12.50 | bleeter | I know what's going on, doesn't mean I'm gunna kill -9 syslogd |
| 22:12.56 | zenzelezz | logging means they have some idea what could be going on; otherwise you're just looking blind |
| 22:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Logging implies that they want records. That's about it. |
| 22:13.18 | Zootfizzle | Pretty good, thanks ;) |
| 22:13.24 | Zootfizzle | How 'bout you? |
| 22:13.33 | Sixen | Hai Zoot. |
| 22:13.47 | Sixen | Hai sbo and bleet. |
| 22:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Had a calc exam today. Totally stressed out over it, then I took it and realized post-curve I probably did better than most everyone else |
| 22:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | So feeling better slowly ;) |
| 22:14.14 | bleeter | hai Sixen |
| 22:14.29 | kd3 | raaah. caffeine withdrawal is fail |
| 22:14.35 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: where is the .avi located again? |
| 22:14.38 | Sixen | heh, hai kd3. |
| 22:14.47 | Fisker- | data/interface/cinematics |
| 22:14.48 | kd3 | ~/wrath/Data/enUS/Interface/Cinematics |
| 22:14.53 | Fisker- | no u |
| 22:14.58 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: oh well, least my suspension has generated a Suggestion for 'search for this account's posts' request, with a view to monitoring the legal minor's adherance to the CoC without having to stand over their shoulders ;) |
| 22:15.22 | Fisker- | like that's going to happen |
| 22:15.29 | Fisker- | tigole just loves trolling on alts |
| 22:15.42 | Sixen | What'd I miss, bleet? |
| 22:15.47 | bleeter | you misunderstand, only search for the logged in account's posts |
| 22:16.03 | Neuro_Medivh | fisker, they can easily exclude blue posts from the search |
| 22:16.10 | bleeter | Sixen: just having another moan about fail aspects of my Beta suspension ;) |
| 22:16.22 | Sixen | o_O? Beta suspension? |
| 22:16.34 | cladhaire | I've almost broken 1k in my gear score: http://ravencrest-eu.warcrafter.net/Draoi |
| 22:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo, I had hopes that this was a raw CGI movie isntead of recorded scripted in-game. |
| 22:16.46 | bleeter | Sixen: even if I could log in, I wouldn't be able to identify the offending posts as I had been switching avatars to see if the avatar forum foo is working as intended/still broke etc. |
| 22:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side, that explains the new human models. |
| 22:16.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *character models |
| 22:17.16 | Sixen | I see... |
| 22:17.23 | bleeter | Sixen: got me thinking about a parent and child sharing an account, and how the parent can't really tell which toons the child has been posting on, and thus what may be risking the account etc. etc. |
| 22:17.25 | Sixen | So you don't even know why you were suspended? |
| 22:17.35 | bleeter | I've got a good idea, just not certain |
| 22:17.35 | Sixen | Ah, true. |
| 22:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 22:17.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa spoilers |
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| 22:18.40 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043232004&pageNo=1&sid=2003#14 <-i lol'd btw |
| 22:18.54 | cbreak | uhm... parents are not supposed to share with children |
| 22:19.05 | cbreak | they are allowed to let children play in their place |
| 22:19.06 | bleeter | one legal minor per account |
| 22:19.11 | kd3 | bleeter, I suggest this post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679893069&sid=2000&pageNo=1#18 |
| 22:19.30 | cbreak | according to the eula I read ages ago, you are not allowed to play if you let a minor play instead |
| 22:19.44 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: hmm? |
| 22:19.49 | bleeter | nope, if that was the rule in the past, it's not now |
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| 22:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: the movie added in this patch |
| 22:19.59 | Fisker- | hehe kd3 |
| 22:20.02 | Esamynn | movie? |
| 22:20.07 | Fisker- | just a shame they don't have the balls for that on the EU forums |
| 22:20.07 | cbreak | you are from the US? |
| 22:20.25 | Fisker- | Though obviously there's no reason to ban people for that shit when you don't care about EU anyways >:3 |
| 22:20.28 | cbreak | I read the EU eula. or it might have just changed |
| 22:20.55 | bleeter | kd3: yup, love that stuff. based on a single post, the assumption that I'm trolling and have not given any test feedback. |
| 22:21.33 | Fisker- | go EU bleeter |
| 22:22.28 | bleeter | despite CSF GM's bad days, Blizz forum moderators could all learn a hell of a lot from those guys |
| 22:22.48 | bleeter | folks like ThunderWulf would seem to be in agreement |
| 22:24.23 | Sixen | TWulf should've been banned several times. |
| 22:24.31 | bleeter | Fisker-: nah, I just stopped giving bug reports, suggestions and feedback. |
| 22:24.50 | bleeter | Sixen: I wouldn't disagree with that statement. |
| 22:24.51 | Fisker- | i can't help it :P |
| 22:25.06 | Sixen | And bleet, comon... What kind of post was that? :( |
| 22:25.09 | Fisker- | I know my feedback is pretty much just wasted space in their forum database |
| 22:25.16 | Fisker- | but hey, one can dream |
| 22:25.20 | Sixen | lol fisker. |
| 22:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: just like you're wasted space. :) |
| 22:25.39 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 22:26.26 | Lyn | hm |
| 22:26.41 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: this new movie, is the client showing it when you start it, or what? |
| 22:26.56 | kd3 | it's when you complete "return to angrathar" |
| 22:27.05 | kd3 | or ask alextrasa to replay it |
| 22:27.14 | kd3 | s/alextrasa/alexstrasza/ |
| 22:27.15 | Esamynn | Return to Angrathar? |
| 22:27.26 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Return_To_Angrathar |
| 22:27.43 | kd3 | the alliance version has the full quest chain up. I still need to work on the horde version |
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| 22:28.03 | Esamynn | oh |
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| 22:28.18 | Fisker- | oh well |
| 22:28.33 | Fisker- | here's hoping that the next beta will get some EU participation |
| 22:28.40 | Fisker- | sleep tiems |
| 22:29.00 | Esamynn | oh, I see |
| 22:29.13 | Esamynn | maybe I'll just keep my eye closed ;) |
| 22:29.15 | Sixen | Seriously. |
| 22:29.25 | Sixen | Why do people ask questions that are literally answered 2 inches above. |
| 22:29.33 | kd3 | because they can't read |
| 22:29.44 | NightHawkTheSane | because people are idiots. |
| 22:29.51 | Esamynn | Sixen: specifically to annoy YOU |
| 22:29.58 | Sixen | Must be, esamynn. |
| 22:30.02 | erikd | why do people ask questions that are LITERALLY answered 2 inches above? |
| 22:30.07 | Sixen | I lol'd. |
| 22:30.18 | bleeter | sixen: that post is not much different from what I'd say on CSF, and not score even an edit. To be sure, I was drunk, and yes it's a bad post I'll totally agree. But, it doesn't mean that the Beta OptIn system then demanding quality feedback posts from these folks sight unseen... ain't broke. |
| 22:30.35 | Sixen | =/ |
| 22:31.05 | Sixen | "No clue. But I bet starting a thread about it right under another thread about it would be a great idea. Oh, and whatever you do, don't read the stickies at the top of the forum. " |
| 22:31.06 | Sixen | Oh my. |
| 22:31.08 | Sixen | That is win |
| 22:31.24 | bleeter | it increases S/N, meaning FM's can't spend the time doing a proper job, is all |
| 22:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: it's part of a quest line, it's also just a .avi you can watch |
| 22:31.57 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: as I said, I think i'm gonna keep my eye shut ;) |
| 22:32.28 | NightHawkTheSane | just one? |
| 22:32.31 | Sixen | Where's this .avi? |
| 22:32.39 | Sixen | Gotta open up the mpq? |
| 22:33.04 | kd3 | ~/wrath/Data/enUS/Interface/Cinematics |
| 22:33.16 | Esamynn | s/eye/eyes/ |
| 22:33.17 | Thunder_Child | speaking of not looking 2 inches above.... |
| 22:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: it was curious, because you used the singular a few times. :p |
| 22:34.41 | Thunder_Child | you didnt know NightHawkTheSane, he only has one eye, he is a rl pirate |
| 22:35.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well thats why i asked! |
| 22:35.08 | Sixen | <3 kd3 |
| 22:35.19 | Neuro_Medivh | "Kids, when they tell you not to look straight at the sun, THEY MEAN IT!" |
| 22:35.22 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: damn you caught me! that's right I'm a cyclops |
| 22:35.41 | Sixen | Uh oh... MAaven must've gone on a potty break. |
| 22:35.41 | kd3 | mmm. the oven beeped |
| 22:35.42 | kd3 | yay food |
| 22:35.53 | Neuro_Medivh | what are we having? |
| 22:35.55 | Sixen | He'll get back to see 18 pages of "OMG NO RELMZ HALP" |
| 22:36.00 | Sixen | and "LOLZ Y MAI DL SO SLOW?" |
| 22:36.12 | Esamynn | ~lart Sixen |
| 22:36.12 | purl | --purges Sixen |
| 22:36.17 | Sixen | =[ |
| 22:36.48 | Esamynn | Sixen: we don't need examples of annoying people :P |
| 22:36.57 | Sixen | =( |
| 22:39.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, good, we don't have servers |
| 22:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for having no reason to avoid my homework now! |
| 22:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I might get credit on these assignments as a result! |
| 22:39.33 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:40.25 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1&pageNo=7 happy? :P |
| 22:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 22:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll do, thanks |
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| 22:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: lol, <3 |
| 22:42.41 | cog|work | oh and Zootfizzle, if you have anything to decline, feel free... The "Pending" list is getting crowded :P |
| 22:44.09 | Sixen | lol |
| 22:44.20 | Esamynn | lol: "I'd really like to see the Crafting UI die a swift, painful death." -Sb |
| 22:44.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 22:44.28 | ScytheBlade1 | hence the <3 for Cog |
| 22:44.29 | Esamynn | I dunno if it was painful, but it died |
| 22:46.24 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt you want a slow painful death anyway? |
| 22:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I did indeed ask for it |
| 22:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | (To be slow and painful) |
| 22:47.10 | Thunder_Child | good, it's nice to see someone is doing it correctly |
| 22:47.16 | cog|work | hmm... |
| 22:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: meta suggestion: s/cookies for Slouken/cookies for Slouken, Zoot, and more/ |
| 22:48.54 | cog|work | Why would I give cookies to a sprocket? |
| 22:49.02 | cog|work | (except Peppy) |
| 22:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 22:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The first reason off the top of my head |
| 22:49.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that he can push a button and ban you |
| 22:49.38 | cog|work | He already banned me from his camp in Sholazar (sp?) |
| 22:49.43 | Esamynn | cog|work: you know what I think? you just like having an excuse to hate on Zoot :P |
| 22:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | *Schlozar, iirc |
| 22:49.46 | jaxdahl | haven't seen this before, http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=40497 this looks like the the 2nd best DK tank weapon |
| 22:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Not 100% of that |
| 22:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And while he has indeed done that, maybe that can lessen the hatred? |
| 22:50.22 | jaxdahl | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=40406 is currently the best tank weapon IMIO |
| 22:50.26 | jaxdahl | imo* |
| 22:51.00 | Esamynn | 200+ dps on a weapon |
| 22:51.02 | Esamynn | sheesh |
| 22:51.19 | Esamynn | and that's just first tier |
| 22:52.26 | jaxdahl | well |
| 22:52.27 | jaxdahl | it's 2nd tier |
| 22:52.40 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 22:52.42 | jaxdahl | 186.6 is ilvl 200 |
| 22:52.51 | jaxdahl | 203.7 is ilvl 213 |
| 22:53.16 | Esamynn | ahh, I missed ilvl 200 |
| 22:53.24 | nevcairiel | isnt 213 first-tier-25? o.o |
| 22:53.34 | Esamynn | yah, 213 is first tier 25 man |
| 22:53.48 | jaxdahl | yeah |
| 22:53.56 | jaxdahl | 213 is also kelthuzad 10 man |
| 22:54.01 | jaxdahl | malygos 25 is 226 |
| 22:54.09 | jaxdahl | 171.3 dps for a 226 1h |
| 22:54.17 | Esamynn | yah, just saw that |
| 22:54.19 | Esamynn | damn |
| 22:54.30 | Esamynn | that's quite a jump |
| 22:54.31 | jaxdahl | 154.8 for a 226 gun |
| 22:54.49 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: refresh ;) |
| 22:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That also works |
| 22:57.10 | jaxdahl | where did the cinematic subtitle options go? |
| 22:57.15 | jaxdahl | (on beta) |
| 22:57.48 | Esamynn | lets see, we've gone from 73 dps on 1-h from old Kel'Thuzzad to 114 dps from Kil'jaeden too |
| 22:59.11 | Esamynn | well, I'm not sure what 25-man naxx Kel'thuzzad 1-handers give |
| 22:59.34 | jaxdahl | should be 156.7 |
| 22:59.45 | Esamynn | are you sure that isn't 10-man? |
| 22:59.54 | cog|work | i hate my memory... This is the 2nd or 3rd time someone has added me as a friend on facebook and i don't remember anything about them. Their face looks familiar and we have 5 friends in common from high school :| |
| 22:59.58 | Esamynn | yah, probably not |
| 23:00.04 | Esamynn | still |
| 23:00.09 | bleeter | byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:00.23 | Esamynn | I think we're going to see a serious scaling in DPS in this expansion |
| 23:00.25 | smcn | beta up |
| 23:00.34 | jaxdahl | 143.3 = ilvl 200 |
| 23:00.38 | jaxdahl | 156.7 = ilvl 213 |
| 23:00.41 | Esamynn | right |
| 23:00.52 | jaxdahl | 171.3 = ilvl 226 |
| 23:00.54 | Esamynn | and 226 = 171.3 |
| 23:01.18 | jaxdahl | you can see the percentage increase is the same |
| 23:01.21 | jaxdahl | for each +13 ilvl |
| 23:02.04 | Esamynn | yah, but the ilvl has jumped even more from T6 to T7 than it did from T3 to T4 |
| 23:02.52 | NeoTron | but t7 to t8 is the same 13 ilevels which is relatively speaking a smaller jump |
| 23:02.55 | jaxdahl | and there isn't the ilvl mix they had |
| 23:03.10 | jaxdahl | with armor and weapons from the same instance being a bunch of different ilvls |
| 23:03.10 | Esamynn | intersting |
| 23:03.18 | Esamynn | the percent increase in ilvl is the same though |
| 23:03.28 | jaxdahl | is the system different? |
| 23:03.32 | jaxdahl | with +13 being the log |
| 23:03.36 | jaxdahl | logarithm |
| 23:03.45 | Tem|afk | woot servers |
| 23:04.26 | Esamynn | the ilvl increase from max T3 to base T4 was 1.3x |
| 23:04.40 | Esamynn | same for max T6 to 25-man T7 |
| 23:04.48 | Neuro_Medivh | LOL, some guy in Kentucky has been arrested 1000 times now |
| 23:04.48 | NeoTron | 128 -> 131 is a larger percentage jump than 200 -> 213 |
| 23:05.54 | Esamynn | NeoTron: I was basing this off, old Kel'thuzzad was ilvl 89, Kara items are ilvl 115 |
| 23:05.56 | Tem|afk | . . . |
| 23:06.03 | Tem|afk | new DK mount is like |
| 23:06.18 | Tem|afk | I definitely built this up too much in my had |
| 23:06.19 | Tem|afk | had |
| 23:06.27 | Esamynn | Kil'jaeden is ilvl 164, 25-man T7 is ilvl 213 |
| 23:06.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, is there a pic of it somewhere? |
| 23:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Talents |
| 23:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Fire |
| 23:06.48 | ScytheBlade1 | * Improved Scorch now only affects your damaging Scorch spells. |
| 23:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | WTF? |
| 23:06.59 | Tem|afk | I could take a screenshot, I guess |
| 23:07.09 | kd3 | there's no way |
| 23:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I'm thinking |
| 23:07.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But... |
| 23:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:07.37 | smcn | hey look another person complaining about their post being deleted on ptr forums |
| 23:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That means it stacks with WC, but is entirely useless |
| 23:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | -entirely useless- |
| 23:07.50 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, I found a screenshot |
| 23:07.58 | Neuro_Medivh | http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/ssba/WotLK/3b284dcf.jpg |
| 23:08.02 | Neuro_Medivh | better than the death chicken at least |
| 23:08.06 | Neuro_Medivh | but still could be better |
| 23:08.07 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 23:08.16 | Dashkal | ahh the ptr forums... given the rules, unless the game won't run there's little reason to use them: use the feedback UI |
| 23:08.27 | Neuro_Medivh | looks like deathchicken with some barding graphics added |
| 23:08.34 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: seriously? |
| 23:08.35 | Tem|afk | better than death chicken, true |
| 23:08.37 | Tem|afk | but bleh |
| 23:08.46 | Dashkal | ok, that's that. not even considering buying it |
| 23:08.50 | Tem|afk | Dashkal, I'm lookin at it in game right now |
| 23:08.55 | smcn | looks like it has claws for wings |
| 23:09.00 | Dashkal | that's still fugly |
| 23:09.03 | NeoTron | 200g for a griffin, 800 some g for that... |
| 23:09.03 | Tem|afk | yeah me either |
| 23:09.06 | NeoTron | which has no benefit |
| 23:09.11 | Dashkal | Now it's an armoured death chicken |
| 23:09.15 | Tem|afk | it doesn't have wings |
| 23:09.19 | Tem|afk | it has empty bones |
| 23:09.46 | Tem|afk | Alexstrasza got a new model |
| 23:09.47 | Tem|afk | pretty |
| 23:09.53 | Dashkal | yeah... they couldn't give me that for free. I'll be buying one in SMV tyvm |
| 23:10.34 | Dashkal | And probably grinding a dragon rep |
| 23:10.39 | NeoTron | a friend of mine loves it |
| 23:10.40 | NeoTron | weir |
| 23:10.59 | Tem|afk | I will be after a proto-drake |
| 23:11.03 | NeoTron | so wait the head is that of the land mount except with a beak |
| 23:11.05 | Tem|afk | I _must_ have a proto drake |
| 23:11.11 | smcn | keep in mind too they could just be iterating it |
| 23:11.14 | Tem|afk | d'oh |
| 23:11.17 | smcn | like with taunka |
| 23:11.18 | Esamynn | ok, wtf is with the Berserk change (or did I miss this before) |
| 23:11.21 | Tem|afk | server just died in the middle of the movie for me |
| 23:11.36 | Esamynn | "You cannot use Tiger's Fury while Berserk is active" |
| 23:11.56 | Dashkal | Esamynn: old news, actually |
| 23:11.56 | Esamynn | that seems to fly in the face of King of the Jungle |
| 23:12.05 | Esamynn | I just missed it huh? |
| 23:12.28 | Dashkal | Esamynn: yeah. but it doesn't negate KotJ. Consider that berserk is a temp buff once in awhile. |
| 23:12.52 | kd3 | ho... varimathras is still in UC? |
| 23:12.56 | kd3 | different model though |
| 23:13.16 | Esamynn | Dashkal: ahh, see the way I read KotJ, you only get the energy from TF while Berserking |
| 23:13.30 | Esamynn | can you tell I haven't been playing beta much? ;)_ |
| 23:13.33 | Dashkal | heh |
| 23:13.55 | Esamynn | they really need to reword that tooltip |
| 23:14.06 | Dashkal | erm? how? |
| 23:14.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the tooltips seem clear to me? |
| 23:15.30 | Esamynn | "Your Tiger's Fury ability also instantly restores 60 energy. Also, while using your Enrage ability in Bear Form or Dire Bear Form, your damage is increased by 15%." would be a lot more clear, unless I'm misunderstanding you |
| 23:15.48 | Esamynn | s/also instantly/instantly/ |
| 23:16.05 | Dashkal | ahh, I see where you |
| 23:16.10 | Dashkal | you're getting confused |
| 23:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: *shrug* given that enrage is a bear ability, and tiger's fury is a cat ability, the mutual exclusivity of them seemed to make it obvious to me |
| 23:16.19 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 23:16.26 | Pytlask | enrage vs. berserk is kind of confusing though |
| 23:16.33 | Dashkal | It's impossible to enrage in cat form. Berserk is a different thing |
| 23:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Pytlask: nah, given that they're proper names for abilities |
| 23:16.44 | Esamynn | oh |
| 23:16.48 | Tem|afk | HOLY WOW BATMAN |
| 23:16.53 | Tem|afk | So, the cinematic |
| 23:16.56 | Tem|afk | at the wrathgate |
| 23:16.59 | Tem|afk | holy fucking shit |
| 23:17.08 | Pytlask | NightHawkTheSane: yah, but they are also two words used for essentially the same mechanic in PvE |
| 23:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go |
| 23:17.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Pytlask: still not confusing, seeing as bears only have one way to 'enrage' :p |
| 23:17.41 | Tem|afk | The events at the wrathgate confuse and confound me |
| 23:17.45 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: doh, silly me |
| 23:18.02 | Tem|afk | to avoid spoilers, join #wrathgate |
| 23:18.26 | Esamynn | Tem|afk: to avoid spoilers? |
| 23:18.40 | Tem|afk | if you haven't watched the movie, don't join |
| 23:18.41 | Dashkal | I want to watch the damn video. wtb linux codec |
| 23:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: i can definitely see how it's easy to mistake certain things, because there's quite a few talents that do a few things, and reference other talents and/or abilities |
| 23:19.02 | Esamynn | Tem|afk: that's a little backwards from what you actually said then :P |
| 23:19.06 | Tem|afk | yeha yeah |
| 23:19.30 | jaxdahl | no new DK abilities |
| 23:19.52 | Dashkal | Pytlask: they went and defined enrage vs frenzy vs berserk explicitly awhile back |
| 23:20.38 | Dashkal | Pytlask: enrage is an attack speed increase that's dispellable. frenzy the same but cannot be removed. berserk is the end of time you wipe now (for mobs) |
| 23:20.51 | Pytlask | It still confuses me :P |
| 23:20.56 | Dashkal | can't help you there :p |
| 23:21.04 | Dewin | Don't they all basically mean that it's big, red, and going to kill you? |
| 23:21.14 | Pytlask | exactly |
| 23:21.16 | Esamynn | to varying degrees |
| 23:21.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yes, but its how much it's going to hurt, and whether you can prevent it :p |
| 23:21.48 | Dashkal | Dewin: the distinctions are kind of important :p |
| 23:22.15 | Dashkal | enrage you should displel or die. frenzy you need to be healed more and maybe blow an oh shit or two. berserk and you die. end of story. |
| 23:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, d&d got a new graphic? |
| 23:23.05 | Esamynn | as a tanking Feral, I might decide to just skip KotJ now that I understand it |
| 23:23.05 | Dashkal | Still waiting on the player base to start calling it a 'berserk' timer instead of the enrage timer they are still incorrectly calling it |
| 23:23.07 | Tem|afk | aye |
| 23:23.12 | Tem|afk | but I forgot to check it |
| 23:23.13 | Tem|afk | doh |
| 23:23.14 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/ebon_gryphon.jpg new model, i think it's good |
| 23:23.26 | Dashkal | Esamynn: it's dropped from my tanking spec. Why would I ever hit enrage in bear form in combat? O.o |
| 23:23.27 | Tem|afk | it's better than deathchicken |
| 23:23.34 | Tem|afk | but still not worth 950g |
| 23:23.36 | Esamynn | Dashkal: no kidding, huh? |
| 23:23.50 | Esamynn | Dashkal: unless you're short on rage because you're not taking damage |
| 23:23.53 | Dashkal | Eh, I think it's no better than the death chicken |
| 23:24.01 | Esamynn | which does happen soemtimes these days because of how much I dodge |
| 23:24.04 | Dashkal | Esamynn: certainly, but I'm sure as hell not talenting for that situation |
| 23:24.09 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 23:24.24 | Esamynn | I was thinking it was a buff to Berserk |
| 23:24.35 | Pytlask | I hit enrage while a boss is casting something and then right-click it when he goes back to attacking |
| 23:24.55 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/dnd.jpg new DnD graphic |
| 23:24.55 | Tem|afk | Why would you skip kotJ for tanking? |
| 23:25.04 | Dashkal | Pytlask: you know... I hadn't thought of that. Nice trick |
| 23:25.20 | Esamynn | Tem|afk: if you have no threat problems, it's pretty pointless |
| 23:25.24 | Dashkal | Tem|afk: it doesn't offer anything useful to bear form |
| 23:25.29 | Tem|afk | the armor penantly isn't that large |
| 23:25.36 | Tem|afk | and more threat is always a good thing |
| 23:25.48 | Dashkal | more threat is always balanced against less survivability |
| 23:25.51 | Pytlask | Dashkal: Its especially awesome if you have the talent to get extra rage on the first tick anyway |
| 23:26.03 | Tem|afk | I do on live |
| 23:26.12 | Tem|afk | but I don't know if I will in LK |
| 23:26.17 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: I hope you have spell effectzs at a minimum |
| 23:26.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|afk: KotJ doesn't really seem like a make or break talent for tanking, though |
| 23:26.21 | Dashkal | Tem|afk: if all you want is more threat, tank in cat gear. You won't live long but you'll have more threat |
| 23:26.23 | smcn | anyone have a link to sylvanas' new model |
| 23:26.32 | smcn | i'm lazy |
| 23:26.38 | Dashkal | point is you can more easily make that shift by gear than by enrage |
| 23:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, the advatnage of enrage is that it could be used mid-fight, and its temporary :p |
| 23:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | advantage* |
| 23:27.12 | Dashkal | Pytlask: ahh, I've never had enough spare points to put anything into intensity |
| 23:27.26 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Well, for that I'll hit berserk ;) |
| 23:27.41 | Esamynn | sweet |
| 23:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: sure, that has its own cd, though, enrage is another one. :p |
| 23:27.50 | Esamynn | I may have finally settled on a tanking build |
| 23:28.05 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: if I need to up my threat that often, then I'll seriously consider swapping in a piece or two of DPS gear |
| 23:29.08 | Dashkal | my tune may of course change if I run into a boss with freaky threat mechanics |
| 23:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: *nod* im just saying, its an option that's available. |
| 23:30.10 | Esamynn | I am SOO looking forward to not having to EVERY worry about being crit again |
| 23:30.18 | Esamynn | s/EVERY/EVER/ |
| 23:30.21 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: true. Still, the only way I can see myself having that talent is if I'm offtanking in a DPS or hybrid spec |
| 23:30.35 | NightHawkTheSane | silly question time: for i=1,10 do ... end, the max value i hits inside the loop is 9 or 10? |
| 23:30.36 | Dashkal | I'd rather just swap my tanking weapon for a DPS weapon to get that threat boost |
| 23:31.05 | Dashkal | lua> local x = 0; for i=1,10 do x = i; end; print x; |
| 23:31.05 | lua_bot | Dashkal: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'x' |
| 23:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: honestly, I agree, there's probably far better places to spend the points for a tanking build than there :P |
| 23:31.16 | Tem|afk | NHTS 10 |
| 23:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 23:31.27 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I figured. Fun debating :p |
| 23:31.30 | Tem|afk | ARg stupid time for a patch |
| 23:31.33 | Tem|afk | I need to go to a test |
| 23:31.36 | Tem|afk | bye guys |
| 23:31.42 | Dashkal | laters |
| 23:32.07 | jaxdahl | mammoth passenger mount still not letting passengers get on.. |
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| 23:34.26 | jaxdahl | whoaaaaaaaaaa, alexastraza really looks like an aspect now |
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| 23:34.39 | Esamynn | jaxdahl: SS |
| 23:36.23 | Stanzilla | jaxdahl: screenshot? :) |
| 23:37.08 | Esamynn | that's what I said :P |
| 23:37.09 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/alexastraza.jpg |
| 23:37.25 | Dashkal | ooo, she is _impressive_ looking |
| 23:38.21 | jaxdahl | hopefully this means they updated malygos too |
| 23:38.56 | Esamynn | lol, new Varimathras model: http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5862/wowscrnshot092408161606zb7.jpg |
| 23:39.17 | jaxdahl | wrynn has a new model as well |
| 23:39.19 | jaxdahl | not a box though |
| 23:39.49 | Dashkal | I like his model :p |
| 23:40.02 | Dashkal | Does wrynn still look like an 80s rocker? |
| 23:40.20 | kd3 | bah, they need to fix nozdormu's model |
| 23:40.21 | Iriel | The LK beta didn't have anywhere near enough model cubes |
| 23:40.37 | Esamynn | whoa, they finally gave Sylvanas a proper model? |
| 23:40.40 | Esamynn | nice |
| 23:41.25 | Esamynn | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/Steven88ALD/Sylvanas.jpg |
| 23:41.29 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/alexstrasza.jpg correct URL |
| 23:41.34 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/alexstrasza2.jpg new perspective |
| 23:41.46 | kd3 | sigh. my past me is meleeing mobs to death |
| 23:41.51 | Esamynn | jaxdahl: not found |
| 23:42.11 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: 404 |
| 23:42.22 | jaxdahl | ok, updated, sorry |
| 23:42.25 | cbreak | kd3, you were a rogue in the past? :) |
| 23:43.06 | Esamynn | later folks |
| 23:43.43 | Dashkal | random speculation: Will Sylvanis have to be slaughtered or will her missing sister 'redeem' her? |
| 23:44.02 | cbreak | she will be slaughtered |
| 23:44.05 | cbreak | for my mount! |
| 23:44.09 | Dashkal | lol |
| 23:44.11 | cbreak | or is that someone else? |
| 23:44.28 | Dashkal | I don't recall a mount for the kill all of the opposing faction achievement |
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| 23:45.03 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. is there any way to force wowhead to display -all- the items in a category, not just the first 200? |
| 23:45.50 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 23:45.51 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:48.20 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/varian.jpg |
| 23:49.32 | Dashkal | *blinks* |
| 23:49.36 | Dashkal | I hate him even more... |
| 23:49.45 | Dashkal | Artwork is high quality. I just hate him more |
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| 23:51.48 | Dashkal | I _really_ hope they wern't going for a king who inspired loyality :p |
| 23:52.06 | kd3 | ouch |
| 23:52.15 | kd3 | just flying close to dalaran (but still in crystalsong) is freezing wow |
| 23:52.49 | Dashkal | lovely |
| 23:53.49 | NightHawkTheSane | oh.. shit. |
| 23:53.57 | NightHawkTheSane | note: DO NOT jump off the balcony of the purple parlor. |
| 23:54.30 | Neuro_Medivh | jaxdahl: He reminds me of a pre-Frostmourne Arthas |
| 23:54.38 | Neuro_Medivh | so they need to keep him away from cursed runeblades |
| 23:55.01 | Syzgyn | At least he doesnt have that stupid Blood Elf hair now |
| 23:56.57 | Esamynn | just came back because I HAD to share this (for those who are behind in reading slashdot today): http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/09/24/181233.shtml |
| 23:57.39 | Dashkal | sounds about right |
| 23:58.04 | Dashkal | Hey, I have the copyright/trademark/whatever. I should have complete control over any and all use whatsoever period. No exceptions. No balance. |
