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| 00:04.58 | Duman | dashkal: wow, interesting |
| 00:05.49 | Dashkal | Makes a hell of a lot more sense on a feral than a boomkin, and since we lost +int on gear, this is a good and very 'feral' alternative |
| 00:08.07 | Duman | yep |
| 00:08.19 | Duman | I always sort of laughed at the boomkin +mana-on-melee talent ;) |
| 00:08.38 | Dashkal | Agreed. That was just O.o wtf? |
| 00:09.12 | Duman | it's like "oh shit, let me run up there and beat on the mob a sec" |
| 00:09.32 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes they do, when I judge on it. :) |
| 00:09.56 | Duman | well, JoW procs for melee or spells :) |
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| 00:13.31 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, just too laggy |
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| 00:24.37 | Dashkal | there, she clarified. The mana return will be baked into LOTP |
| 00:26.18 | Duman | hotsex |
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| 00:32.32 | kromar | hi |
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| 00:36.26 | Lopeppeppy | morning |
| 00:37.28 | JoshBorke | ohayo |
| 00:41.04 | alestane | ...ja nakute, Konban wa. |
| 00:41.39 | JoshBorke | ~ug |
| 00:41.41 | purl | The KDE User Guide can be found at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 00:41.42 | JoshBorke | crap |
| 00:41.44 | JoshBorke | ~ugt |
| 00:41.45 | purl | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:45.33 | kromar | i have a bit of a problem with the combat log, i try to get the windfury hits but its acting randomly, sometimes it works sometimes it doesent. is there a problem with the combat log or so? |
| 00:46.35 | kd3 | yay for being on aux status and still putting out 1100 dps without a flask on |
| 00:46.48 | Syzgyn | what boss kd3? |
| 00:46.52 | kd3 | rage |
| 00:47.17 | Syzgyn | Our arcane mage pushes I think 1800 on rage |
| 00:47.25 | Syzgyn | cuz of Jainas regen aura |
| 00:47.53 | Syzgyn | The bastard |
| 00:49.48 | Arrowmaster | i think i had 1750 last ZA run when i did pop any consumables at all |
| 00:50.39 | kromar | can someone take a look at this and tell me why i dont get a message for all the windfury procs? http://pastey.net/96162 |
| 00:52.16 | Arrowmaster | you on beta/ptr? |
| 00:52.17 | Corrodias | a hunter out of karazhan should be able to push 1800 or near it, as i understand, although that's probably WITH consumables (bane of getting any fun out of raiding that they are) |
| 00:52.36 | kromar | no thats not on beta |
| 00:52.53 | Arrowmaster | hmm didnt think overkill was in live |
| 00:53.18 | kromar | well i got that from wowwiki |
| 00:53.28 | Corrodias | i don't recall what i was doing with my feral druid. probably 1400. |
| 00:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | Which might be littered with beta stuff by now, kromar. |
| 00:54.21 | Arrowmaster | i guess it looks right but i dont know if the spell id is correct, might want to record your combat logs |
| 00:55.16 | kromar | hmm could there be an other spellid for main and offhand procs? |
| 00:55.40 | Wobin | I don't normally bring up politics, and it -may- be due to my not being in the country and thus getting somewhat filtered and biased news... But does McCain use the "I was a POW and I can't do X" response a biiit too much? |
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| 00:56.02 | Corrodias | i can't seem to find any screenshots of a damage meter |
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| 00:57.19 | Corrodias | ah yes, i usually kept it hidden... |
| 00:58.42 | KarlKFI | McCain has a lot of excuses wobin |
| 00:59.01 | Wobin | oh, it's not just the same one reapplied then? |
| 00:59.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Listening in on this raid of another guild, just via a chat channel |
| 00:59.22 | KarlKFI | yeah, but that one is at least based on fact.. |
| 00:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | They just had an app ask what a tremor totem is |
| 00:59.35 | ScytheBlade1 | While fighting Arch |
| 00:59.38 | KarlKFI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.43 | Wobin | http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Rove_McCain_cant_use_computer_because_0914.html |
| 01:00.09 | Antiarc | I must say |
| 01:00.21 | Antiarc | Geolocation tools are a lot of fun for freaking your friends out |
| 01:00.23 | Corrodias | now if i could just find one of my fucking vanity shots |
| 01:00.38 | Wobin | Antiarc: "Location: Behiiiind you..." |
| 01:01.16 | Antiarc | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=-33.88330078125+151.216705322266&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.88330078125,151.216705322266&spn=0.202125,0.520477&z=12 |
| 01:01.17 | Antiarc | <_< |
| 01:01.19 | kromar | hmm there are 2 spellids for windfury proc so that might be the problem^^ |
| 01:01.42 | Corrodias | god damn Leo |
| 01:01.44 | Corrodias | he killed my guild |
| 01:01.53 | Wobin | Antiarc: You're near my ISP snooping on a building? |
| 01:01.54 | KarlKFI | leo's a meaniehead |
| 01:01.59 | Antiarc | Apparently! |
| 01:02.08 | kromar | Arrowmaster: thx for the tip:D |
| 01:02.36 | Antiarc | Wobin is apparently hardcore |
| 01:02.40 | Antiarc | As he is chatting from a backhoe |
| 01:02.41 | Wobin | Antiarc: if you head down the road to the intersection of Crown, I think there's a good resteraunt there |
| 01:02.41 | Antiarc | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=-33.88330078125+151.216705322266&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.883381,151.217027&spn=0.000852,0.002033&t=h&z=20&iwloc=addr |
| 01:02.58 | Antiarc | Either that, or the government found his secret underground lair |
| 01:03.16 | Antiarc | also, afk, dinner. |
| 01:03.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: i guess he found that restaurant. |
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| 01:04.17 | Wobin | There used to be a good steak one there |
| 01:04.20 | Wobin | but it closed |
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| 01:05.50 | Corrodias | f-ing A, i have screenshots of my hunter all right |
| 01:10.15 | Corrodias | now, i was talking about ideal numbers of course... given any particular fight, it could very well be lower |
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| 01:17.00 | Corrodias | only 1000dps on aran, but i can't help but think i was expected to tank an elemental or two on that run |
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| 01:23.56 | Corrodias | wait a sec. 1000 is right. 1200 was the hunter number i was thinking of |
| 01:24.09 | Corrodias | i remembered the 2, just not in the right position |
| 01:24.47 | Corrodias | (200 less than 2000 or something. 2-based relationships get confused in my head) |
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| 01:38.10 | Sixen | *sigh* |
| 01:38.37 | Shirik | rawr |
| 01:38.47 | Sixen | Someone took Sixen on WoWHead... |
| 01:38.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:40.36 | smcn | why isn't there a quest or achievement called "Pining for the Fjord"? |
| 01:41.38 | Lopeppeppy | Punning for the Fjord |
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| 01:42.58 | Aznamir | hurhurhur |
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| 01:50.23 | Wobin | Corrodias: Huh, I was wondering if that 1800 from kara gear was something to worry about =P |
| 01:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: suggest it, imo. ;) |
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| 01:52.45 | Wobin | huh |
| 01:52.49 | Wobin | byebye priest racials |
| 01:52.54 | NightHawkTheSane | (yay) |
| 01:53.17 | Wobin | Enjoy your starshards while you can! |
| 01:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- doesn't have a priest. :) |
| 01:53.39 | Wobin | they should totally be given to moonkin |
| 01:54.31 | Skate555-Laptop | does there happen to be a command to hide all frames?? |
| 01:55.30 | selckin | aalt-z |
| 01:56.54 | Syzgyn | UIParent:Hide() :P |
| 01:56.55 | Skate555-Laptop | just the ones for my addon i mean...here i'll link the function...but it looks like it'll be a ram hog atm |
| 01:57.38 | Jamash | well if the frames are all parented to a single frame, you can just hide the parent frame |
| 01:57.45 | Skate555-Laptop | http://gmh.pastey.net/96165 |
| 01:58.07 | Skate555-Laptop | dont think there is a parent frame...their all individual frames.. |
| 01:58.17 | Jamash | are they all parented to UIParent? |
| 01:58.23 | Syzgyn | Link your XML or frame creation script |
| 01:58.57 | Jamash | If they're all parented to UIParent then there's no harm in making an invisible parent frame and parenting them to it |
| 01:59.06 | Dewin | bah, why can't there be a 'perfect' addon updater. :-/ |
| 01:59.18 | Syzgyn | What Jamash said ^^ |
| 01:59.27 | Skate555-Laptop | how does one make an invisible frame?? |
| 01:59.30 | Jamash | Dewin: Because God hates you |
| 01:59.37 | Syzgyn | CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent) |
| 02:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | You make a frame and you don't tell it to be visible |
| 02:00.10 | Skate555-Laptop | that's an Lua frame...no?? |
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| 02:00.19 | Syzgyn | Are you doing it in XML? |
| 02:00.25 | Syzgyn | They're the same thing |
| 02:00.34 | smcn | NightHawkTheSane: but i have no idea what it could be for... maybe pun it up, "Get stuck on 20 pine trees while auto-running while AFK in Howling Fjord" |
| 02:00.37 | smcn | get it, pining.. |
| 02:00.39 | Skate555-Laptop | my forms are xml auto generated |
| 02:00.51 | Syzgyn | Can you throw it in a pastey? |
| 02:01.47 | Skate555-Laptop | ok if i perform a hide on the parrent form that hides all sub forms...if i want to show a form again i hafta show parentform again...but that reshows all the other forms i hid aswell...no?? |
| 02:01.55 | Jamash | Correct |
| 02:01.56 | Syzgyn | Yes |
| 02:01.58 | Skate555-Laptop | that's bad |
| 02:02.11 | Syzgyn | You can have as many sub-frames as you want |
| 02:02.13 | Skate555-Laptop | the reason i have it working this way is to make sure no 2 frames are visible at once |
| 02:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you need to change your design |
| 02:02.24 | Jamash | In that case yeah, you need to show and hide them manually |
| 02:02.35 | Skate555-Laptop | ok...thanx |
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| 02:02.59 | Skate555-Laptop | ohh hey...what about checking each frame before trying to hide it...would that save on ram or use more?? |
| 02:03.08 | Syzgyn | Checking as in? |
| 02:03.23 | Syzgyn | if its visible or not? |
| 02:03.45 | Skate555-Laptop | aye |
| 02:04.08 | Syzgyn | Why would you bother checking if a frame is hidden or not before hiding it? |
| 02:04.17 | Syzgyn | if its already hidden, nothing happens |
| 02:04.31 | Skate555-Laptop | ok so my code isn't wasting a butload of ram?? |
| 02:04.44 | Syzgyn | Shouldnt be, no |
| 02:04.51 | Skate555-Laptop | kk thanx |
| 02:04.55 | Jamash | having a lot of lines of code uses up a very small amount of RAM |
| 02:05.06 | Syzgyn | I'd still recommend parenting up all your frames in a logical way |
| 02:05.30 | Jamash | huge tables of data and large textures are what use the most RAM |
| 02:05.32 | Syzgyn | Anything that will be hidden/shown together can have the same parent |
| 02:05.55 | Sixen | Hmph.. Scryors or Aldors... Such a big decision. |
| 02:07.11 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.23 | Sixen | hehe |
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| 02:08.11 | smcn | Jamash: pfft blizz's rng isn't random, i did /roll 2 and got 1 5 times in a row! /sarcasm |
| 02:08.33 | Skate555-Laptop | curios if cladhair(sp) uses this room why isn't his/her bot in this room like it is in lua?? |
| 02:09.00 | selckin | random() { return 1; // decided by faire dice roll, guaranteed random } |
| 02:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | If it's a bot specific to lua, it might not have the same purpose here in this more general channel, Skate555-Laptop. |
| 02:11.36 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: they should just change the quest achievements name to that. ;) |
| 02:11.51 | NightHawkTheSane | selckin: no, dude, it's 4, not 1. |
| 02:12.00 | Dewin | Isn't there an achievement for like rolling 100 on a greed roll on a purple item? |
| 02:12.06 | Syzgyn | Yep |
| 02:12.07 | NightHawkTheSane | http://xkcd.com/221/ |
| 02:12.24 | Syzgyn | Superior or better |
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| 02:12.31 | selckin | NightHawkTheSane: my dice is better then his |
| 02:12.44 | Syzgyn | http://i36.tinypic.com/taomk6.jpg Coming together nicely :) |
| 02:13.01 | Skate555-Laptop | isn't there the same acheive for need roll too?? |
| 02:13.05 | Syzgyn | Yes |
| 02:13.18 | selckin | Syzgyn: what addon is that? |
| 02:13.25 | Syzgyn | The one I'm writing :P |
| 02:13.29 | selckin | gief! |
| 02:13.46 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10867-UrbanAchieverWotLK.html |
| 02:13.46 | Jamash | that's pretty cool |
| 02:13.50 | Syzgyn | Slightly out of date |
| 02:14.01 | Syzgyn | And not as pretty |
| 02:14.18 | Syzgyn | I'll reupload now |
| 02:14.22 | selckin | beats blizzard's failed attempt tho |
| 02:14.36 | Jamash | yeah the blizzard one leaves a lot to be desired |
| 02:14.50 | Syzgyn | I dunno |
| 02:14.55 | Syzgyn | I like the look of blizz's |
| 02:15.03 | Syzgyn | but they leave so much available info out |
| 02:15.36 | Jamash | I'd like a Achievement Tracker frame like the Quest Tracker frame |
| 02:15.50 | Syzgyn | There is one |
| 02:15.53 | Syzgyn | kinda |
| 02:16.01 | Jamash | ehhhhhhhhh not really |
| 02:16.05 | Syzgyn | Its one at a time |
| 02:16.07 | Syzgyn | but its still there |
| 02:16.30 | Jamash | Are you speaking of what happens if you link an achievement to yourself? |
| 02:16.33 | Syzgyn | No |
| 02:16.41 | Syzgyn | Shift click an achievement from the frame |
| 02:16.44 | Syzgyn | without the chat open |
| 02:16.46 | Jamash | :-O |
| 02:16.49 | Syzgyn | an uncompleted one* |
| 02:17.32 | Syzgyn | Thats my next big project though, an improved tracker |
| 02:19.00 | Tem | is northrend currently tits up? |
| 02:19.43 | Syzgyn | I'm in dalaran |
| 02:19.43 | Tem | (the whole server, not the continent) |
| 02:19.48 | Tem | k |
| 02:19.58 | Tem | I'm trying to log in and failing like usual |
| 02:23.23 | Syzgyn | Alright, I uploaded the current version |
| 02:23.34 | Syzgyn | Please try it out once it gets approved :) |
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| 02:29.59 | WobWork | Syzgyn: That looks very shiny |
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| 02:32.33 | Syzgyn | Thanks :) |
| 02:32.45 | Thunder_Child | Aretha Franklin != Quincy Jones |
| 02:33.08 | Syzgyn | I've still got a few more functional things to implement, then more shiny :D |
| 02:36.57 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: WE ARE THE R.E.S.P.E.C.T? |
| 02:37.43 | Thunder_Child | i dunno WobWork, are you? |
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| 03:05.28 | Duman | how's beta faring tonight |
| 03:08.18 | Corrodias | sorry about that, WobWork :( |
| 03:09.12 | |Jelly| | 2| [Brownpally]: LF ARENA TEAMS RETADIN GOOD LOOKING <-- Winner |
| 03:11.10 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 03:11.21 | Syzgyn | Its still laggy Duman, but stable |
| 03:11.35 | Syzgyn | oh, you're already in |
| 03:11.42 | kd3 | oh wow... haven't seen that in a while |
| 03:11.48 | kd3 | thrall bit it and the fight reset. >.< |
| 03:11.55 | Duman | yay client crashed |
| 03:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yay. |
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| 03:13.11 | Thunder_Child | dumping 2214 mp3 files into itunes at one time does not make itunes/my computer happy |
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| 03:14.35 | Yssaril | Thunder_Child: still faster than you adding one at a time :P |
| 03:15.33 | Thunder_Child | Yssaril, true, but maybe 100 at a time would be a better balance |
| 03:16.24 | Yssaril | maybe i usually just wait to do stuff like that right before i go to bed then it can take 6-8 hours and will be done when i wake up :) |
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| 03:31.32 | Nom- | damn... they did it again |
| 03:31.43 | Nom- | next day release in Australia, which pisses us players off to no end |
| 03:32.43 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:32.58 | WobWork | well.. 'next day' being essentially the same as that day |
| 03:33.14 | WobWork | but still, we should get some reward from being from the future |
| 03:34.27 | Nom- | nah it's not |
| 03:34.46 | WobWork | oh ewll |
| 03:34.52 | WobWork | I'm not planning to start on release day |
| 03:34.53 | Nom- | Last time the servers were online at start of business in the US |
| 03:35.00 | Nom- | Which is ~ 6PM here... just after the shops close |
| 03:35.21 | WobWork | I tend to buy my software not from the retailers |
| 03:35.26 | Nom- | So the servers are up for a full 15 hours before we can buy the game |
| 03:35.28 | WobWork | wait |
| 03:35.32 | WobWork | it's a thursday, isn't it? |
| 03:35.37 | WobWork | so late night shopping in Syd =) |
| 03:35.48 | Nom- | Yeah, late night shopping here means 9PM |
| 03:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | your shops close at 6pm? |
| 03:36.01 | Nom- | but the retailers still aren't allowed to stock the shelves until after midnight |
| 03:36.10 | Nom- | NightHawkTheSane: 5 to 5:30pm for most |
| 03:36.42 | NightHawkTheSane | must be nice for retail folk |
| 03:37.22 | Nom- | Some supermarkets are open 'til 6PM weeknights |
| 03:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | over here, we don't give a shit about the working class, so stores tend to stay open until 9-10pm |
| 03:37.27 | Nom- | That's about the best you can hope for over here |
| 03:37.40 | Nom- | Yeah, they only do that once a week here |
| 03:38.22 | Nom- | That's the biggest thing which pissed me off about the last launch though... the servers are up for the whole prime gaming time, but we can't play because the stores don't release the game until the next day |
| 03:38.26 | WobWork | My supermarket is open til 10 every night |
| 03:38.46 | WobWork | except sunday |
| 03:38.53 | WobWork | when it closes at 9 |
| 03:39.15 | WobWork | yay for living above a train station in a business district =P |
| 03:39.16 | Nom- | Lucky you :( |
| 03:39.42 | Nom- | Most people who work for a living have 1 night a week to get shopping ... and the weekends of course |
| 03:39.58 | Nom- | So Thursday night and Saturday have stupid volumes of people going shopping |
| 03:40.06 | Nom- | Oh yea, most shops are closed on Sunday here |
| 03:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i like face stabbing |
| 03:44.29 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, how did that lecture go today? |
| 03:48.16 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, that bad huh? |
| 03:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You're dead |
| 03:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Stop talking |
| 03:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually fell mostly asleep during calc |
| 03:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That was it |
| 03:53.45 | kd3 | huh... another launcher patch |
| 03:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | haha win @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956648803&sid=2000&pageNo=5#88 |
| 03:54.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The previous posts probably help though |
| 03:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | &pagenNo=3#40 |
| 03:55.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled right |
| 04:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ... the raid members are randomly clicking off int just to bug me -.- |
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| 04:02.22 | NightHawkTheSane | what's the term for the up-down angle of a mounted gun? |
| 04:02.29 | NightHawkTheSane | pitch?.. |
| 04:02.30 | NightHawkTheSane | no.. |
| 04:03.00 | Corrodias | height? angle, pitch yes, trajectory... |
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| 04:05.10 | Shirik | my guild is so f'ed up |
| 04:05.11 | Shirik | [#] 00:03:55 [G] <70:Arthurus>: has you ever experienced a time when you thought that your nipples might smell like licourish? |
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| 04:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. licorice |
| 04:10.09 | NightHawkTheSane | god i hate people. |
| 04:14.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I can stab some for you. |
| 04:14.37 | NightHawkTheSane | plesae do |
| 04:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | s/sa/as/ |
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| 04:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 04:36.20 | Kajas | Does anyone know how I can pull the date for use in a FontString? Searched the wiki and the WoW Programming book but only found refrences to time |
| 04:36.22 | NightHawkTheSane | well. ScytheBlade1 is, presumably, a person. so i'm okay with this |
| 04:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 04:36.43 | Shirik | lua> os.time() |
| 04:36.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1221539803 |
| 04:37.03 | Arrowmaster | lua> os.date() |
| 04:37.03 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Tue Sep 16 04:37:03 2008 |
| 04:37.09 | Shirik | psh |
| 04:37.11 | Shirik | that's lazy! |
| 04:37.16 | Shirik | Do the calculations yourself! |
| 04:37.21 | Kajas | what I'm trying to do is each time the frame is opened the date string changes to the curent date |
| 04:37.22 | Arrowmaster | no fucking way |
| 04:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ill do your mom myself. |
| 04:37.27 | Shirik | I tried to once |
| 04:37.30 | Shirik | it was painful |
| 04:37.33 | Arrowmaster | epoch does not equal UTC |
| 04:37.37 | Shirik | And it was like.... |
| 04:37.47 | Arrowmaster | they are different from each other |
| 04:37.47 | Shirik | O(n) |
| 04:37.53 | Shirik | where n = seconds |
| 04:37.55 | Shirik | so... |
| 04:39.23 | NightHawkTheSane | what does your she-bot do? |
| 04:39.31 | Shirik|zZz | magic |
| 04:40.39 | Shirik|zZz | It spams my console with things like http://pastebin.com/m39fde300 |
| 04:41.17 | Kajas | "os.Date" gives me an error of "attempt to index global 'os' (a nil value)".. |
| 04:41.28 | Shirik|zZz | Not only is it not os.Date |
| 04:41.31 | Shirik|zZz | WoW does not have os |
| 04:41.34 | Shirik|zZz | use date() |
| 04:41.46 | NightHawkTheSane | LIES! Wow IS my os! |
| 04:41.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|zZz, your bot fails at magic |
| 04:41.56 | Shirik|zZz | it is full of magic |
| 04:42.03 | Kajas | nil value |
| 04:42.09 | Shirik|zZz | try harder |
| 04:42.14 | Kajas | *hmm* |
| 04:42.16 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik|zZz |
| 04:42.17 | purl | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Shirik|zZz |
| 04:42.17 | Shirik|zZz | what's your line? |
| 04:42.18 | Arrowmaster | date not Date |
| 04:42.32 | Kajas | heh, may help if I correct the casing :\ |
| 04:42.48 | Shirik|zZz | yey kittens |
| 04:42.53 | Kajas | now to play with it a bit :) My many thanks to you |
| 04:43.19 | Shirik|zZz | with the kittens |
| 04:43.39 | Cairenn | and the kittens |
| 04:43.49 | Kajas | would it be possible to change the format of it.. such as %M / %D / %Y? Looking it up on the lua guide also as we speak |
| 04:44.13 | Kajas | Got it :) |
| 04:45.02 | Shirik|zZz | !api os.date |
| 04:45.02 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'os.date' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-os.date |
| 04:45.13 | Shirik|zZz | WoW-Bot needs to try harder |
| 04:45.22 | Shirik|zZz | that is all |
| 04:45.22 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 04:45.27 | Thunder_Child | night Shirik|zZz |
| 04:45.28 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 04:45.36 | Kajas | Good night Shirik |
| 04:45.40 | Thunder_Child | though you lie about sleeping like Cairenn does |
| 04:46.31 | Neuro_Medivh | Cairenn sleeps? |
| 04:46.44 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 04:47.05 | Cairenn | unless these T1s kick in, probably not tonight |
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| 04:49.13 | Thunder_Child | :( Cairenn |
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| 04:49.44 | Cairenn | so, umm, sorry guys, but it's possible that dancing is now off my schedule at blizzcon |
| 04:50.08 | Thunder_Child | was it ever one? |
| 04:50.12 | Thunder_Child | s/one/on/ |
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| 04:50.29 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:50.32 | Neuro_Medivh | did something happen to your dancin' shoes? |
| 04:50.41 | Cairenn | Neuro_Medivh: more like what goes into them |
| 04:50.44 | Thunder_Child | stop taking photo ops off the schedule please |
| 04:50.57 | Neuro_Medivh | do you have the low down blues? |
| 04:51.08 | Neuro_Medivh | did you break a toe or something? |
| 04:51.10 | Cairenn | I don't know for sure yet, but I think I may have just broken my foot |
| 04:51.14 | Neuro_Medivh | ack |
| 04:52.16 | Syzgyn | Doing what? o.O |
| 04:53.46 | Cairenn | I was running the garbage out to the curb for pick up in the morning, and since it was just a quick little thing I decided not to bother putting my shoes on ... so I go out the front door, take a step down and have my foot fold under and slam down the next couple steps |
| 04:53.47 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm guessing she was riding a mechanical bull, and fell off |
| 04:54.29 | Neuro_Medivh | ouch, Cairenn, that's horrible... but next time you tell that story, say it happened while riding the mechanical bull. Far cooler story. |
| 04:54.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:56.07 | Neuro_Medivh | hahahah, http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_091508WAB_laser_pointer_wsp_plane_TP.7d84bf85.html |
| 04:57.37 | Neuro_Medivh | the funniest part is the video |
| 04:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
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| 05:10.40 | Thunder_Child | hmm..in one of macgyvers S01 shows there was a fiber optic tree, i bet that was rather expensive |
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| 05:13.03 | Neuro_Medivh | I doubt it was a real tree, probably artificial, like the one my family has for christmas |
| 05:13.56 | Dashkal | warning: cute overload --> http://www.tom-phillips.info/images/bambi.and.thumper.htm |
| 05:14.37 | Neuro_Medivh | just makes me hungry |
| 05:15.45 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, more or less like http://lh5.ggpht.com/_cTmoQx8Ve68/RXZj5RBhryI/AAAAAAAABdA/-VLNFkysUnU/IMG_2467.JPG |
| 05:16.21 | Sixen | kd3, have you been posting in PTR? |
| 05:16.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Thunder_Child, I was just being silly =) |
| 05:17.37 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, Gamestop/EB Games are charging +15 bucks for the CE of lich king |
| 05:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 05:19.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh |
| 05:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The pricks |
| 05:20.17 | kd3 | not recently |
| 05:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | why, for the love of all that is sane, do forums disable search for guest users |
| 05:20.22 | Sixen | Mmmm |
| 05:20.28 | Sixen | 65 pages last time I checked. |
| 05:20.31 | Sixen | That's a little hard to help in |
| 05:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: because search is database intensive and likewise that reduces the number of searches performed. |
| 05:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: it's still moronic. it defeats the entire purpose of having any kind of knowledge base on a forum system |
| 05:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: it pisses me off too |
| 05:22.12 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: +15 isn't too bad |
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| 05:29.26 | Cairenn | hey Sargeras_? you never posted :p http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 |
| 05:30.45 | Thunder_Child | Sargeras_ thinks he is better than everyone |
| 05:32.53 | Syzgyn | Sargeras_ isn't better than everyone? |
| 05:33.20 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...a point |
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| 05:33.46 | Syzgyn | ~lart Mages and Warlocks |
| 05:33.46 | purl | executes killall -TERM Mages and Warlocks |
| 05:33.55 | Thunder_Child | lol, apt |
| 05:34.14 | Syzgyn | 2 mages and 2 locks in the WSG I was in |
| 05:34.30 | Syzgyn | I couldn't do jack |
| 05:34.37 | Arrowmaster | so its 1:30am and i just jump started my car because i ran the battery dead powering my cable modem and laptop |
| 05:34.53 | Kajas | If I wanted to make a tree-like threading.. where you clikc on the [+] to expand that branch and the [-] to collapse it.. where would I look to see how to do that? I've seen it on quite numerous addons.. but can't find a good place to learn it |
| 05:35.19 | Syzgyn | Kajas: For a column of buttons? |
| 05:35.58 | Kajas | Basically yes. For like a menu of options, and suboptions.. like [+]General and in that branch would be maybe display, skins, etc |
| 05:36.49 | Syzgyn | I do mine sortof hackishly |
| 05:37.37 | Syzgyn | but basically, clicking a header button toggles a boolean for expanding or contracting that set of sub-buttons, then refresh the displaying of the buttons |
| 05:38.09 | Syzgyn | Lemme throw some pseudo-code up |
| 05:38.24 | Kajas | was trying to put an edit box in a scroll frame earlier so that as you typed, if it went out of frame it'd auto scroll.. like notepad does when it reaches the bottom... but couldn't do it for the life of me so had to shorten the max chars and lengthen the box.. :\ |
| 05:38.29 | Kajas | kk, thanks Syzgyn |
| 05:41.09 | Syzgyn | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96170 |
| 05:41.13 | Kajas | Thanks :) |
| 05:42.00 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: The geek's dilemma? =) |
| 05:43.22 | Kajas | Syzgyn: Would I then make my buttons in a table instead of staticly? |
| 05:43.31 | Kajas | and have this function iterate through them to show them or not? |
| 05:43.41 | Syzgyn | Thats what I did |
| 05:44.05 | Syzgyn | for i=1, 10 do button[i] = CreateButtonFunction() end |
| 05:45.04 | Syzgyn | You dont actually put the content in the buttons there |
| 05:45.18 | Syzgyn | You do that in the displayButton part of the loop |
| 05:46.02 | Syzgyn | You could try to slop through my code to see what I did |
| 05:46.53 | Syzgyn | Heh |
| 05:47.04 | Syzgyn | Hey, at least that stuff is marketable skills |
| 05:47.10 | Syzgyn | moreso at least |
| 05:47.10 | Kajas | if they were using a .net lang.. I wouldn't have an issue at all, lol |
| 05:48.54 | Kajas | if I wanted to give a multi-lined editbox a scoll-like background (think of the sending mail background) how can I find out how to set the background texture of the parent frame of the EditBox to get that effect? Still have not yet figured out how to customize the "look-n-feel" of anything I create yet :'( |
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| 05:49.56 | Syzgyn | It's probably a seperate texture behind the editbox |
| 05:50.14 | Syzgyn | Or, check how blizz did it with the mail thing :) |
| 05:50.29 | Kajas | Already did :) .. but understand maybe 5% of it |
| 05:50.59 | Kajas | looked at both files.. Art, and frames |
| 05:51.13 | steev | WOOT! |
| 05:51.16 | steev | downed Hex lord |
| 05:51.26 | WobWork | grats =) |
| 05:51.29 | Syzgyn | Grats :) |
| 05:51.30 | steev | he dropped the pally plate belt, the drood staff and the gnome trinket |
| 05:51.34 | steev | first time we've downed him |
| 05:51.41 | steev | we wiped at 8% like 4 times |
| 05:52.30 | Keias | Grats |
| 05:52.34 | Keias | That trinket always makes me laugh |
| 05:53.30 | steev | i won it in the roll, but i've got shard of contempt and dc:m so i passed it to the druid that wanted it |
| 05:53.44 | steev | im a rogue |
| 05:53.49 | steev | currently anyway |
| 05:53.54 | steev | i'd rather be in here on my ret pally |
| 05:54.08 | Syzgyn | Its not a trinket made for raids :P |
| 05:54.16 | Syzgyn | Its made for random fun or pvp |
| 05:54.23 | steev | yeah |
| 05:54.26 | steev | the druid pvps a lot |
| 05:54.32 | steev | i don't so much anymore |
| 05:54.39 | steev | and im not really sure what to think of the meters |
| 05:54.43 | steev | im on top.... and im wearing s1 |
| 05:55.13 | steev | but then again, im in a group with a enh shaman and a ret pally (which is why my ret pally isn't in here) |
| 05:55.16 | Syzgyn | Kajas: this is the part you wanna pay attention to: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96171 |
| 05:55.57 | steev | although i'd really rather be on the pally |
| 05:57.47 | Syzgyn | It looks like 2 textures behind the edit box, and then the scroll bar |
| 06:00.38 | Syzgyn | Cairenn: ping |
| 06:00.45 | Cairenn | Syzgyn: pong |
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| 06:01.35 | Syzgyn | I've got an addon I uploaded with WotLK in the name, what would be the best way to remove that? |
| 06:01.45 | Syzgyn | Should I just reupload it fresh? |
| 06:02.00 | Cairenn | what do you mean? remove what? |
| 06:02.13 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10867-UrbanAchieverWotLK.html I want it to be just UrbanAchiever |
| 06:02.25 | Cairenn | yeah, just rename the file |
| 06:02.41 | Syzgyn | Oh, I can do that! |
| 06:02.54 | Syzgyn | ~bonk Syzgyn |
| 06:02.56 | purl | ACTION bonks syzgyn on behalf of Syzgyn |
| 06:04.14 | Syzgyn | Thanks :) |
| 06:06.20 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 06:06.20 | purl | aw, gee, Thunder_Child |
| 06:08.20 | steev | wow |
| 06:08.22 | steev | that was fail |
| 06:09.07 | Syzgyn | first try on Zul'Jin? |
| 06:09.18 | steev | yeah |
| 06:09.26 | steev | some people didn't realize the "door" closes |
| 06:09.31 | steev | so they were outside theplatform heh |
| 06:11.25 | Syzgyn | Hehe |
| 06:11.26 | Kajas | *sigh* I always have issues getting my slash commands to work.. does it matter where at in the lua the declaration of the slash command is, as long as it's after the function that it will call? |
| 06:11.43 | Syzgyn | I dont think they have to be after |
| 06:11.58 | Syzgyn | But do everyone a favor, dont use slash commands :) |
| 06:12.03 | Kajas | ? |
| 06:12.16 | Syzgyn | unless its just for toggling |
| 06:12.28 | Kajas | it opens the menu |
| 06:12.30 | Syzgyn | ah |
| 06:12.36 | Kajas | well.. shows the addon's gui |
| 06:12.40 | Syzgyn | right |
| 06:12.43 | Syzgyn | thats fine |
| 06:14.25 | Syzgyn | Are you using Ace or something? |
| 06:14.33 | steev | anyone have any hints on zul'jin froma rogue perspective? should i just keep using ip/dp ? |
| 06:14.43 | Syzgyn | Yes, theres no healing |
| 06:14.55 | Syzgyn | and no adds past the initial pull |
| 06:15.18 | Syzgyn | Big thing is to stop all dps as soon as he starts to switch phases |
| 06:15.28 | Syzgyn | Except 2 to 3 |
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| 06:16.50 | steev | yeah |
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| 06:18.18 | Kajas | Syzgyn: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96177 << the lua with the slash function and the XML if you could see if I did something wrong, I'd greatly appreciate it |
| 06:18.37 | Kajas | BTW: Not using Ace.. don't know enough to use it |
| 06:18.53 | Kajas | <<-- Was spoiled by intelesense code completion |
| 06:19.29 | Syzgyn | Heh |
| 06:20.24 | Syzgyn | Whats the addon name? |
| 06:20.35 | Kajas | GuildBB |
| 06:21.19 | Syzgyn | You used GBB in the table, then LOTTO for the string |
| 06:21.33 | Syzgyn | They gotta be the same |
| 06:21.38 | Kajas | Thought I changed that lotto.. *duh* lol, thanks :) |
| 06:22.14 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_a_Slash_Command for future reference :) |
| 06:22.33 | steev | well |
| 06:22.37 | steev | we got him into bird phase |
| 06:22.51 | steev | 53% |
| 06:23.48 | Syzgyn | Phase 3 is the toughest |
| 06:24.16 | Syzgyn | What works for us is having the ranged spread out with their backs to the wall, all around |
| 06:24.27 | Syzgyn | and just eat the tornados, giving the melee more time to dps |
| 06:27.13 | Syzgyn | Working now Kajas? |
| 06:27.58 | Kajas | Perfectly :).. now to figure out that tree menu, create the hashtable, the serialize/deserialize (save / load) functions and all them meat and potatoes of it |
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| 06:28.25 | Syzgyn | Nom nom :) |
| 06:28.39 | Skate555-Laptop | does anyonne know when their officially implementing patch 3.0.1?? |
| 06:28.49 | Syzgyn | Not announced yet |
| 06:28.56 | Syzgyn | My guess is first week of October |
| 06:29.02 | Neuro_Medivh | that sounds about right |
| 06:29.09 | Syzgyn | mabye a week or 2 later |
| 06:29.15 | Syzgyn | s/mabye/maybe/ |
| 06:29.17 | Neuro_Medivh | 2.0 went live about a month before BC |
| 06:29.28 | Neuro_Medivh | so a month or so before LK would be about right |
| 06:29.32 | Syzgyn | I recall someone saying it was 5 weeks last time |
| 06:30.09 | Syzgyn | But one of my guildies said that blizz had said they released 2.0 too early before the release |
| 06:30.09 | Syzgyn | so *shrug* |
| 06:30.09 | Neuro_Medivh | Yeah, somewhere around there... first week of december |
| 06:30.09 | Neuro_Medivh | vs jan 16th |
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| 06:30.39 | Neuro_Medivh | nah... releasing that early gives them a lot more debugging ability. |
| 06:30.54 | Syzgyn | True |
| 06:31.38 | Neuro_Medivh | also, having your UI fixed and ready for 3.0 is nice |
| 06:33.12 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 06:34.54 | Neuro_Medivh | good lord, these Seinfeld Vista commercials are absolutely stupid |
| 06:35.18 | Cairenn | I'm hoping the 14th - that's the tuesday AFTER blizzcon, but still gives them a month before LK |
| 06:35.23 | Syzgyn | Heh |
| 06:35.37 | Cairenn | releasing the week before blizzcon would just be cruel to everyone |
| 06:36.00 | Cairenn | including their own employees |
| 06:36.08 | Syzgyn | Except those of us not going :P |
| 06:36.15 | Syzgyn | But that makes sense |
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| 06:37.31 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, oct 14 is probably a solid target date |
| 06:37.33 | WobWork | scary |
| 06:37.41 | WobWork | a 410 comment blogpost on FizzBuzz =P |
| 06:38.07 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: I totally agree with you on those ads |
| 06:38.08 | steev | UGH |
| 06:38.20 | steev | why do people answer yes to a ready check when they aren't fucking ready |
| 06:38.28 | Neuro_Medivh | you know the answer to that |
| 06:38.29 | WobWork | Peer pressure dude |
| 06:38.41 | Neuro_Medivh | because they are STUPID |
| 06:39.25 | WobWork | steev: That question was asked in Wowace just a bit ago =P |
| 06:41.17 | Neuro_Medivh | need to mod the ready check to say "Are you ready?" <click yes> "Are you SURE you're ready?" <click yes> "If you are not ready, I will fucking kill you. Are you still ready?" |
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| 06:42.12 | Syzgyn | Have a mod that switches the yes and no buttons on the readycheck frame |
| 06:42.17 | Syzgyn | that'd screw enough people up |
| 06:42.26 | Neuro_Medivh | then again, my motivational techniques aren't exactly subtle. |
| 06:45.45 | WobWork | have a mod that says "You must do *this emote*" |
| 06:45.46 | steev | WobWork: it wasn't me! |
| 06:45.49 | steev | although wtf |
| 06:46.12 | steev | somehow i stole aggro on zul'jin even though i've got salv and was only autoattacking getting ready to back away |
| 06:46.25 | steev | it wasn't like, grevious wound either |
| 06:47.15 | Syzgyn | you're that awesome |
| 06:50.34 | steev | oh |
| 06:50.42 | steev | did i mention we are all t4ish gear |
| 06:51.19 | steev | stupid people and their OMG U NEED T5 TO DO THAT LOL NOOB |
| 06:51.50 | Dewin | whoo my PTR characters transferred |
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| 06:54.45 | steev | pvp or pve? |
| 06:54.47 | steev | actually |
| 06:54.53 | steev | doesn't matter, add me - worthy and solene |
| 06:54.59 | steev | both of em are on both |
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| 07:05.42 | steev | though i haven't been on in a while cuz we were doing za |
| 07:05.48 | steev | that and the servers were down all day |
| 07:06.14 | steev | need to get the rogue into there on the pvp server and get him specced |
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| 07:28.36 | Thunder_Child | ~smack Tekkub |
| 07:28.37 | purl | ACTION smacks Tekkub upside the head. |
| 07:29.02 | Tekkub | wut |
| 07:29.38 | Tekkub | not my fault |
| 07:29.47 | Tekkub | Comcrapst |
| 07:36.55 | End | I didn't know they were doing heroic for raid instances too. |
| 07:37.42 | End | oh |
| 07:37.57 | End | I guess that's what they call 25 man version...? |
| 08:04.34 | clad|sleep | Skate555-Laptop: ScytheBlade1: To be honest with you, I have no idea why the RNG on lua_bot does this. |
| 08:05.04 | clad|sleep | cause I don't randomize it |
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| 09:08.54 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 09:17.55 | doow | hi peep |
| 09:20.51 | smcn | mr t ate my peeps! |
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| 09:31.57 | Maldivia | :) |
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| 09:55.38 | cbrowne | no? never mind then -_- |
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| 11:31.20 | Lyn | hi :o |
| 11:31.27 | Tentacled | lo. |
| 11:32.44 | haste | haroo |
| 11:33.16 | Lyn | :O |
| 11:33.28 | Lyn | haste, I don't understand the last changes of oUF lol |
| 11:34.18 | haste | which :p ? |
| 11:34.36 | Lyn | the one with embbed stuff |
| 11:34.48 | Lyn | and tag stuff |
| 11:35.00 | haste | what is there to understand :D ? |
| 11:35.18 | Lyn | mh.. how do I use that ? :p (both) |
| 11:35.42 | haste | the experimental change allows a layout to hide away the global object, and moving it into a non-conflict object |
| 11:36.01 | haste | ie. the layout includes oUF, sets X-oUF: <unique global name> in the TOC |
| 11:36.25 | haste | and does: local oUF = <unique global name>; <unique global name> = nil in the layout |
| 11:36.57 | haste | the tags are pretty much: set tag option in fontstring, tell oUF what fontstrings it should control and that's about it |
| 11:37.20 | Lyn | mh.. |
| 11:37.26 | haste | tekkub uses it in his layout for example |
| 11:37.41 | haste | http://github.com/tekkub/ouf_tek/tree/master/layout.lua |
| 11:37.44 | Lyn | ah thanks |
| 11:38.26 | haste | he also uses the experimental branch |
| 11:39.29 | Lyn | ah... the tag stuff is nice... even if I think I will not succeed to implent this (bad english ftw) |
| 11:40.24 | haste | but I have to leave now, so bye-bee! :3 |
| 11:41.05 | Lyn | have fun :P |
| 11:41.11 | Lyn | and thanks for the explanation |
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| 12:21.06 | kromar | hi |
| 12:21.55 | kromar | is it possible to get the rgb values of a frame where the rgb values were given with frame:SetTexture(r,g,b,a)? |
| 12:22.38 | kromar | i have tried GetVertexColors, but that gives me some strange numbers:/ |
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| 13:23.32 | nevcairiel | Anyone got a copy of RTKernel 4.5 for Pascal by any chance? I try to do this university task, but they forgot to supply me with one <.< |
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| 14:27.59 | alestane | It's actually kind of scary how easy the secure handlers make creating some of these bizarre behaviors people ask for. |
| 14:28.26 | nevcairiel | Scary? I dunno |
| 14:28.39 | nevcairiel | btw any more changes coming? Or are we pretty final now? |
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| 14:32.02 | alestane | There are a few bug fixes going into the next build, as well as support for :GetPoint and a small change to the group header to make it more compatible with the new system. I also just realized that it would be really nice to have IsModifiedClick available in snippets, but that might not happen for initial release. |
| 14:32.14 | Cairenn | on the assumption (bad thing to do) that they will want 3.0 out about a month before LK and hoping that it will be after BlizzCon (so hoping for 14 Oct) - I would think that they are likely locking the code down and bug testing primarily |
| 14:32.54 | alestane | We are expecting that any further changes will be minimal. |
| 14:33.18 | nevcairiel | I still wish i could have HasAction, but oh well! |
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| 14:33.38 | nevcairiel | Guess i'll have to go back to evil blizzard action button templates to get that |
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| 14:38.39 | alestane | What are you finding evil about ActionBarButtonTemplate? |
| 14:41.48 | nevcairiel | well not particular evil, but i want to customize some stuff, and until now it was easier to replicate the whole thing then hook the hell out of the template |
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| 14:44.06 | alestane | WrapScript might make it easier to modify the specific behaviors you want. One of the reasons it got implemented the way it did was to add support for dragging actions into and out of user buttons. |
| 14:44.50 | nevcairiel | yeah i was all excited when i saw that |
| 14:46.33 | alestane | The system is not terribly intuitive, but it should allow you to do just about anything you want with the cursor contents. |
| 14:46.57 | nevcairiel | lack of dragging in combat was kinda annoying before |
| 14:47.01 | kromar | is it possible to get the rgb colors of a frame? |
| 14:47.31 | alestane | kromar: of a texture, you should be able to, if that texture is set to a solid color. |
| 14:48.32 | kromar | well i have set a color with SetTexture(r,g,b,a) but i cant read the color with GetTexture or GetVertexColor... |
| 14:48.53 | alestane | No, GetVertexColor is different. |
| 14:49.33 | kromar | i noticed that, get some strange values with it^^ |
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| 14:53.07 | alestane | I actually don't see a :GetColor method listed for textures...you might be able to get trackable color for textures by setting them to white and then using :SetVertexColor to tint them the color you want. |
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| 14:54.27 | kromar | hm i will think about that |
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| 15:11.27 | malreth | adulthood: n. The period of life where you worry about your parents more than they worry about you. |
| 15:11.45 | Lopeppeppy | oh, for very serious. *comfort* |
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| 15:15.53 | zenzelezz | malreth: is that out of Devil's Dictionary? |
| 15:16.22 | malreth | no. just made that up |
| 15:16.40 | zenzelezz | aha. Had much the same ring as most of his quotes do |
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| 15:19.11 | Shirik | rawr |
| 15:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 15:19.24 | zenzelezz | "FRIENDLESS, adj. Having no favors to bestow. Destitute of fortune. Addicted to utterance of truth and common sense." |
| 15:19.57 | malreth | i am influenced by the devil's dictionary, however |
| 15:20.10 | malreth | i grew up in a very cynical household |
| 15:20.11 | zenzelezz | "PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy." |
| 15:20.15 | zenzelezz | "RESPONSIBILITY, n. A detachable burden easily shifted to the shoulders of God, Fate, Fortune, Luck or one's neighbor." |
| 15:20.22 | zenzelezz | I could go on and on... |
| 15:20.24 | Shirik | can't buy wotlk online? |
| 15:26.12 | foxlit | I'm surprised blizzard store doesn't offer it, tbh |
| 15:26.20 | foxlit | along with a reliable CE vendor |
| 15:26.48 | durcyn | they haven't done electronic delivery for initial releases of anything yet |
| 15:27.27 | foxlit | wouldn't mind if they offered physical discs, either. |
| 15:28.58 | Shirik | durcyn: I really meant online |
| 15:29.01 | Shirik | not electronic copy |
| 15:29.14 | Shirik | amazon can do it but amazon's way behind according to their estimates |
| 15:29.45 | durcyn | oh, yeah. brick and mortar seems the way to go for expedience there |
| 15:32.01 | Shirik | course, amazon's the only one saying they have a collector's edition |
| 15:32.04 | Shirik | not bby, not cc |
| 15:32.21 | Lopeppeppy | Then I order from Amazon on my lunchtime. :) |
| 15:33.12 | Shirik | gamestop has it too but doesn't offer in-store pickup for it and says "Additional 14.99 handling fee will apply" <-- p.s., wtf |
| 15:33.18 | foxlit | Can't imagine a shortage of those boxes on launch day, either. |
| 15:33.26 | foxlit | So preordering seems weird. |
| 15:33.32 | Shirik | can't? |
| 15:33.40 | Lopeppeppy | If you want a Collectors, preorder is FTW |
| 15:33.57 | alestane | I might actually have to spring for the collector's this time. |
| 15:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | I totally am. Baby dragonkin for Peppy! |
| 15:34.42 | alestane | My warlock needs a baby frost wyrm. |
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| 15:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. |
| 15:36.26 | Shirik | Here's the issue I'm having though |
| 15:36.35 | Shirik | even with one-day shipping, Amazon says the best they can do is deliver it by the 17th |
| 15:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. it will arrive late to your doorstep. |
| 15:36.54 | alestane | That should be about when the servers start stabilizing. |
| 15:37.02 | Shirik | not really acceptable to miss an entire weekend :P |
| 15:37.07 | Lopeppeppy | That's my take on it as well, Shirik. |
| 15:37.14 | Lopeppeppy | What alestane said, I mean. |
| 15:37.35 | nevcairiel | Shirik: they used to say that for BC too here, but i got it on release day |
| 15:37.47 | Shirik | oh? |
| 15:38.11 | nevcairiel | I even got a mail a few days earlier that all is fine, shipment is preparing, and it'll be here in time |
| 15:38.19 | Shirik | then maybe I will do it with them |
| 15:38.42 | Shirik | which shipping option did you choose? |
| 15:38.54 | nevcairiel | express |
| 15:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | Totally paid out for express, mine arrived late. *gentle shrug* YMMV, it may be better this year due to experience. |
| 15:40.12 | Shirik | Amazon is also offering me $3.99 overnight :/ |
| 15:40.14 | Shirik | hm |
| 15:40.21 | Shirik | that's worth it imo |
| 15:40.44 | alestane | How much do they want for the collector's? |
| 15:40.47 | nevcairiel | you can always cancel the order a week earlier or so if they didnt change their estimate |
| 15:41.00 | Shirik | $69.99 |
| 15:41.17 | foxlit | Eek |
| 15:41.29 | alestane | That's not too bad. I will almost certainly have to spring then. |
| 15:41.33 | foxlit | The only linked retailer for my region that is carrying CE wants ~150$ |
| 15:41.46 | End | foxlit: ouch! |
| 15:41.48 | nevcairiel | amazon here doesnt even list it yet |
| 15:42.00 | Shirik | wow foxlit |
| 15:42.47 | alestane | Wow, they only wany $37 for WotLk compared to $50 for TBC. |
| 15:42.51 | alestane | want* |
| 15:43.51 | Shirik | ya |
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| 15:49.14 | alestane | Heh, Goose now has almost as many favorites as Demonomicon despite a much lower download count. |
| 15:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | Goose! *hawnkh* |
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| 15:50.22 | malreth | Goose? MAAAAAAAVRIIIICK!!!! |
| 15:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | I am a leaf on the wind, watch me *splorkt* |
| 15:52.44 | alestane | What IS that? |
| 15:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | It's from Serenity, dear. |
| 15:53.06 | alestane | Oh. Haven't seen the movie. |
| 15:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | That 'splains it, Lucy |
| 15:56.01 | kromar | can i use *.png formats as texture in wow? |
| 15:56.16 | alestane | kromar: No. Convert hem to .tga |
| 15:56.16 | Gnarfoz | tga and blp only, afaik. |
| 15:57.54 | kromar | what about blp? |
| 15:58.45 | [Liquidor] | Does the link ".lightbox: Test Link" open up a small window to you? http://armory.artoman.com - If not, which browser are you using? |
| 15:58.55 | alestane | .blp is usable, but typically harder to convert things to. |
| 16:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | Liquidator, no. FF3 with NoScript, which hates whatever you were doing to open a window. |
| 16:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, Peppy can't spell names today, wow. |
| 16:01.16 | [Liquidor] | Lopeppeppy, Okay. What happens then? Does it direct you to http://...../application.php ? |
| 16:01.23 | alestane | Yes. FF3 for Mac without NoScript. |
| 16:02.07 | Lopeppeppy | [Liquidor]], it does, but the page renders blank with NoScript. |
| 16:03.23 | [Liquidor] | Lopeppeppy, address? |
| 16:03.29 | [Liquidor] | http://armory.artoman.com/application.php ? or on the same page? |
| 16:05.55 | Shirik | owww |
| 16:06.03 | Shirik | I think I just pulled a muscle |
| 16:06.10 | Shirik | by stretching (which I thought was the objective...) |
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| 16:07.09 | foxlit | you're doing it wrong :) |
| 16:07.44 | Shirik | This is really sad |
| 16:07.59 | Shirik | I was typing up an email, and I couldn't remember if "can't" was correctly spelled with an apostrophe or not |
| 16:08.07 | Shirik | I need to back away from stupid people in WoW a bit |
| 16:08.15 | Dewin | I hate when that happens. |
| 16:08.30 | Dewin | When a really simple word suddenly looks mispelled[sic]. |
| 16:11.54 | Lopeppeppy | The english language does that to me all the time, Shirik. *hug* |
| 16:12.05 | kd3 | wth... 2 billion transistors in an x86 chip? |
| 16:12.43 | [Liquidor] | wth... a geek |
| 16:13.21 | Gnarfoz | wtb name of said chip |
| 16:14.16 | kd3 | xeon 7400... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080916-intel-launches-six-core-xeon-monster-chip.html |
| 16:14.24 | Shirik | 2 billion, kd3? |
| 16:14.38 | Shirik | wow |
| 16:14.53 | nevcairiel | isnt that kind of a jump from moores law? =P |
| 16:14.57 | Gnarfoz | 1.9 = 2.0! |
| 16:15.07 | Shirik | 2.046B FETs for a total of 170W |
| 16:15.10 | Shirik | 170W for the chip |
| 16:15.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not really |
| 16:15.10 | Shirik | wtf |
| 16:15.16 | ccox|sleep | kd3 - and how many of those are spent emulating a 1980s era calculator instruction set? |
| 16:15.23 | Shirik | ccox|sleep: None |
| 16:15.32 | Shirik | The 2 billion chip is an Itanium |
| 16:15.38 | Gnarfoz | ccox|sleep: A20 gate support naooo |
| 16:15.53 | Gnarfoz | even itanium emulates that. :p |
| 16:15.55 | nevcairiel | Shirik: there is a 1.9billion x86 too |
| 16:16.01 | Shirik | Yes but that's not 2 billion! |
| 16:16.07 | ccox|sleep | 1.9 billion is x86, and what I thought you were referring to |
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| 16:16.33 | ccox|sleep | Itanic doesn't need legacy baggage, it has enough of it's own |
| 16:16.45 | Gnarfoz | it has it, though |
| 16:16.45 | Shirik | I don't see why you would say that |
| 16:16.53 | Shirik | Itanium is a powerful processor |
| 16:17.03 | Shirik | I almost bought one, once |
| 16:17.15 | Shirik | But I couldn't justify shelling out that much money just for e-peen |
| 16:17.26 | ccox|sleep | Shipped late, keeps shipping late, has never lived up to the hype, and barely competes with x86 bretheren |
| 16:17.33 | Shirik | I think you're crazy |
| 16:17.43 | Gnarfoz | I think you're not reading enough c't |
| 16:17.44 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:17.45 | ccox|sleep | Itanic is a classic story of fail |
| 16:17.56 | Shirik | Itanic is a classic story of "everyone develops for x86" |
| 16:17.58 | Shirik | That's it |
| 16:18.21 | ccox|sleep | Shirik - not in the server (Sparc, Power, MIPS) market |
| 16:18.24 | Shirik | "Itanic" should have been in quotes |
| 16:18.41 | Shirik | I completely disagree with you, however it seems I disagree with you on everything you have an opinion on so this isn't really going to go anywhere |
| 16:18.54 | ccox|sleep | "Itanic"(C)(TM) theregister.co.uk |
| 16:20.06 | Dewin | HYmm... there's a wotlk version of Metahud that's been waiting for approval for almost 2 days now. |
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| 16:20.29 | Shirik | Longer than that |
| 16:21.18 | ccox | Shirik - don't worry, when you've been in the computer industry a bit longer, you'll be at least as cynical as I am |
| 16:21.18 | Shirik | It has not been missed, I promise. Most things are approved very quickly. If it hasn't been, then there is probably a reason. |
| 16:21.37 | Shirik | ccox: No, I just think you should realize there are different components to the "computer industry" |
| 16:21.54 | ccox | Shirik - I do, I play in most of them |
| 16:22.12 | Shirik | If you think you play in most of them, then I think you have no idea what the computer industry is comprised of |
| 16:22.18 | Shirik | even if you've been in it for 30 years |
| 16:22.42 | ccox | lol |
| 16:23.08 | nevcairiel | that says Shirik that has been in it for 3 years? =P |
| 16:23.16 | Shirik | I wouldn't consider myself "in it" at all |
| 16:23.28 | nevcairiel | you talk like it |
| 16:23.43 | Shirik | I talk like I know what happens from the view of a computer engineer, which I would prefer to say that I do |
| 16:25.40 | Shirik | And as far as a computer engineer goes, we (I) hate, for example, software-oriented people in general that don't have a clue what goes on at the lower levels (not saying this is ccox nor that this is prominent in society) |
| 16:25.58 | ccox | me, too - but it goes both ways |
| 16:26.07 | Shirik | I wouldn't deny that |
| 16:26.13 | kd3 | wha... you mean our code doesn't magically compile? |
| 16:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | my code magically compiles. but that's because i keep the switch flipped to 'more magic' |
| 16:27.06 | ccox | Shirik - the most clueless folks I have worked with were hardware engineers, trying to apply 20 year old knowledge of software to new designs |
| 16:27.08 | Shirik | kd3: I still speak with software engineers that can't grasp the concept that a number in a computer is stored as binary. That is one thing that really just makes me want to say "get out." They get it's binary, but get hung up on "ok how to convert to decimal" |
| 16:27.22 | ccox | compilers are a whole nother area, with their own problems |
| 16:27.28 | Shirik | ccox: Software or operations? |
| 16:27.53 | Shirik | Here's my issue with your statements: You say you don't like the "calculator instructions" of the old x86. What in particular do you speak of? Do you honestly want to get rid of things like ADD? |
| 16:28.46 | ccox | Shirik - old instruction traces, old instruction statistics, old ideas about how people wrote software, old ideas about how compilers worked, etc. |
| 16:28.49 | Shirik | At present I don't see an issue with the x86 instruction set except for its appalling size (which, honestly, if they can do all of those instructions in a chip, they should be there because the overwhelming majority of them improve media efficiency immensely) |
| 16:28.56 | kd3 | in other news... the sat imagery I've been waiting for has arrived. http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/ike/IKE0000.HTM |
| 16:29.42 | ccox | Shirik - look at the history of the x86 processors. And think about the BCD instructions that are stil there today, think about the archaic instruction set (and the "extension byte" opcodes) |
| 16:29.51 | Shirik | people still use BCD |
| 16:30.03 | Shirik | why do you think it's present in, say, 68HCS12, which is not an old chip by any means |
| 16:30.17 | Lopeppeppy | And sometimes the archaic instructions are the only ones written so that they are understandable. |
| 16:31.16 | Shirik | BCD is easy. Here's a better question ccox: If it already is implemented, why get rid of it? |
| 16:33.30 | ccox | Shirik - because it takes extra gates/space that could be used for other things |
| 16:33.35 | Shirik | oh please |
| 16:33.43 | ccox | Shirik - no, really |
| 16:33.46 | Shirik | How many gates do you honestly think it takes |
| 16:34.04 | Shirik | A half adder can be implemented with 2 per bit. A BCD adder is just a modified one. |
| 16:34.14 | ccox | Shirik - BCD alone? Probably less than 2% of the chip area. |
| 16:34.29 | ccox | Shirik - you're leaving out the control logic, plus the instruction decode logic |
| 16:34.50 | Shirik | No I'm not |
| 16:34.54 | Shirik | because that will still be required |
| 16:35.00 | Shirik | if you were to replace it with another instruction |
| 16:35.24 | ccox | Shirik - who said anything about replacing it with another instruction? |
| 16:35.59 | Shirik | Ok, so you get rid of the instruction entirely. The value becomes a "don't care" for the unsafe position or an exception instruction otherwise |
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| 16:36.10 | Shirik | either way I don't see you saving anything on the decode |
| 16:36.33 | ccox | getting rid of instructions can save a lot of space on decode and control |
| 16:36.56 | Shirik | I don't see how. You're talking about removing one possibility from a table of possibilities. |
| 16:37.46 | ccox | Shirik - hmm, that's where the experience gap becomes a problem |
| 16:37.56 | Shirik | Heh, here we go again |
| 16:38.15 | ccox | Shirik - well, I can't teach you chip layout in IRC |
| 16:38.20 | Shirik | If there's one thing about the industry I hate is its refusal to accept new ideas from "underexperienced" people. I've already seen that first-hand as an observer on several occasions |
| 16:38.27 | Shirik | You don't need to teach me chip layout, I know how it works |
| 16:38.43 | JoshBorke | vlsi is the best! |
| 16:38.49 | ccox | Shirik - or teach you about all the chips I've seen and worked with (many of which never shipped :-) |
| 16:39.03 | Shirik | For example, Rockwell-Collins, whom refused to move on to an automatic code generator |
| 16:39.36 | ccox | "underexperienced" == "I think I know how everything works, because I really don't" |
| 16:39.38 | Shirik | Interestingly enough, it was most of the old guys that left, not the new guys, due to that. The new guys were willing to use the code generator and imho they're better off |
| 16:39.45 | Shirik | No, ccox |
| 16:39.50 | Shirik | And that's the problem with society today |
| 16:39.52 | Shirik | is that they think that |
| 16:40.18 | Shirik | 30 years from now I'll probably be thinking the same thing, and I'll still be wrong |
| 16:40.28 | cladhaire | It'll |
| 16:40.36 | wereHamster | do you know any tool that can send a base64 encoded email? I can't convince Thunderbird to use base64 ... |
| 16:40.52 | ccox | Shirik - people without experience may have some ideas to contribute |
| 16:41.15 | ccox | Shirik - but when you have the experience, you know that most of those people really have no idea what they're talking about |
| 16:41.25 | ccox | Shirik - that's just a matter of learning |
| 16:41.33 | Shirik | You threw an extra modifier in there |
| 16:41.45 | Shirik | "most" is a critical word |
| 16:41.51 | Shirik | Which up until now you have refused to use |
| 16:42.09 | ccox | so far we've only been talking about you :-) |
| 16:42.19 | JoshBorke | there has to be a weeding out method to determine those who know what they are talking about. which is done by rejecting new ideas until the newcomer can prove them |
| 16:42.26 | Shirik | cladhaire: I'll. I mean I, in 30 years, will probably say the new people don't know what they're thinking |
| 16:42.28 | ccox | Josh - bingo |
| 16:42.31 | Shirik | Because I have been changed by people like ccox |
| 16:42.33 | cladhaire | i know |
| 16:42.35 | Shirik | And I will still be wrong |
| 16:42.39 | cladhaire | and I was clarifying |
| 16:42.43 | cladhaire | because the statement you're making is whats wrong |
| 16:42.44 | cladhaire | the feeling |
| 16:42.47 | ccox | Josh - or an abstraction of their input, taking into account their lack of knowledge |
| 16:42.49 | cladhaire | no needs to posess it |
| 16:42.59 | cladhaire | its wrong without attachment :P |
| 16:43.01 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:43.10 | JoshBorke | it's ;p |
| 16:43.42 | Shirik | JoshBorke: My point is that the permission to attempt to prove them is never/rarely allowed |
| 16:43.43 | JoshBorke | double I'll's makes cladhaire's correction confusing (i stopped at the first) |
| 16:44.19 | Shirik | they are simply immediately dismissed |
| 16:44.45 | nevcairiel | cant argue against math, so write the math, and show them! |
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| 16:45.02 | Shirik | The companies I've worked for, fortunately, have always given me the option to just "Go out and do it" and in the end has been successful. Sure I had some problems along the way, but I got there in the end. |
| 16:45.02 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: of course you can aruge against math! |
| 16:45.22 | JoshBorke | Shirik: yes, but it costs money to just go out there |
| 16:45.26 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: not if the math is right =P |
| 16:45.33 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: i reject your reality! |
| 16:45.43 | nevcairiel | I reject you! |
| 16:45.48 | Shirik | JoshBorke: So what you're saying is money is the reason we refuse to change |
| 16:45.51 | JoshBorke | but nevcairiel <3! |
| 16:45.59 | ccox | Shirik - that depends on who you are dealing with. I don't dismiss people until they go out of their way to prove that I should dismiss them. |
| 16:46.07 | alestane | Shirik: Often it is, yes. |
| 16:46.08 | nevcairiel | money is the reason you dont allow any nutjob to run his experiements |
| 16:46.34 | ccox | nevcairiel - and liability insurance :-) |
| 16:46.37 | Shirik | alestane, I wasn't disagreeing with him |
| 16:46.40 | JoshBorke | Shirik: i'm saying money is the reason companies don't try every suggestion or let people just try something out to see if it works. |
| 16:46.43 | Shirik | merely rewording his statement to make a point |
| 16:47.02 | ccox | You have to trust someone's skill before you let them take risks |
| 16:47.22 | JoshBorke | the problem is the proof you need to enact change requires resources which more often than not include money |
| 16:47.32 | ccox | "before you hand them a gun, make sure they know how to use it, and where to point it" |
| 16:47.52 | Shirik | I have to wonder why you would hire someone if you don't trust their skill |
| 16:48.04 | Shirik | but I'm not a businessman |
| 16:48.05 | ccox | Shirik - that is what interviews are for |
| 16:48.18 | Shirik | well obviously you wouldn't let an interviewee go out and do random things |
| 16:48.25 | Shirik | I assume post-interview |
| 16:48.28 | Shirik | post-hiring even |
| 16:48.35 | Shirik | I thought that would have been a given |
| 16:48.36 | JoshBorke | Shirik: you dont' always hire someone for their current skills. you hire for their potential (depending on the position) |
| 16:48.38 | ccox | Shirik - and frequently the first year or so of employment is still a trying out phase |
| 16:48.38 | nevcairiel | You hire people because you think they have potential, but they have to proof that to get a "trusted" skill |
| 16:48.57 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: ha~! i type faster |
| 16:49.04 | ccox | If I hired developers for their current skill, I'd never find anyone qualified (especially right out of college) |
| 16:49.04 | Shirik | ~win Josh_Borke |
| 16:49.05 | purl | Congratulations, Josh_Borke! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:49.06 | JoshBorke | ~fail nevcairiel |
| 16:49.07 | purl | nevcairiel, you Fail! |
| 16:49.11 | ccox | yes, you hire mostly for potential |
| 16:49.15 | nevcairiel | at least for young people fresh from college thats true, you hire "old" guys for their skill |
| 16:49.27 | Shirik | ccox: Again, I find your lack of confidence in society disturbing |
| 16:49.30 | nevcairiel | if you need one specific skill set right away |
| 16:49.49 | ccox | nev - yep |
| 16:49.59 | Shirik | Granted, the majority of the people I know in school don't have a clue of software |
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| 16:50.17 | Shirik | There are several geniuses, however; much better than some of the people I know that are currently working as developers for well-known companies |
| 16:50.35 | nevcairiel | I see that on a daily basis, the guys at my university already fail at learning the basic programming languages, how are they supposed to quickly learn a new language to adjust to their job |
| 16:50.37 | ccox | Shirik - and the majority of college grads I interview have little clue about software, much less hardware |
| 16:50.40 | JoshBorke | Shirik: of course, that's how it's going to be everywhere. but that doesn't change the fact that the _majority_ don't have a clue |
| 16:50.41 | nevcairiel | i dont trust in society either |
| 16:51.12 | Shirik | JoshBorke: Again, I don't disagree with your statement either. However, ccox once again left out the "most" modifier, which I find rather offensive, to be perfectly honest. |
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| 16:51.40 | ccox | High School teach you what you need to survive, College teaches you enough to learn a well paying job, but not how to perform such a job |
| 16:51.46 | Shirik | And yet, ccox |
| 16:51.47 | ccox | Shirik - "majority" |
| 16:51.51 | Shirik | not everyone learns from High School or College |
| 16:52.01 | malreth | that's right |
| 16:52.02 | ccox | Shirik - yes, sad but true |
| 16:52.12 | Shirik | I, for one, learned about 95% of what I know before I even got to my university |
| 16:52.12 | nevcairiel | If you get people right out of college, you just wont find someone with years of business experience - which could translate to some accumulated "skill" |
| 16:52.13 | malreth | i learned everything that i needed to earn money by dating older women |
| 16:52.33 | malreth | s/dating/having sex with/ |
| 16:52.34 | Shirik | the university's job was more of a "tuning" of what I thought I knew into more mature results |
| 16:52.58 | Shirik | So when you say that college does not teach you how to perform a job, I don't disagree with you, but when you translate that into a lack of skill |
| 16:53.11 | ccox | Geez, I didn't know how much I didn't know until I got through college |
| 16:53.19 | Anaral | Where is the option to track gray quests? |
| 16:53.26 | Shirik | ccox: That statement, btw, was referring to (12:48:19) (ccox) If I hired developers for their current skill, I'd never find anyone qualified (especially right out of college) |
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| 16:54.01 | nevcairiel | Shirik: well you say that college doesnt teach you how to perform a job, doing that is considered the "skill" you need i guess, whats wrong now? :D |
| 16:54.18 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Like I said, I don't anticipate learning how to perform that job in college |
| 16:54.30 | Shirik | However, some people go out of their way to learn how to perform that job while in college |
| 16:54.33 | Shirik | rather than after college |
| 16:54.42 | Tornhoof | depends on course i guess |
| 16:54.42 | Shirik | that is the critical factor |
| 16:55.10 | Shirik | Random side note: Why the hell is +r "enables use of the unban command" |
| 16:55.17 | ccox | Shirik - that's another experience thing. Once out of college, you'll realize just how little it prepared you for. |
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| 16:55.35 | nevcairiel | From my experience, until you have worked for a year or more in a real position, you cant just learn that yourself |
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| 16:56.02 | ccox | Shirik - it is hindsight, and few college students ever believe it... until they've been out of college for a while |
| 16:56.04 | Shirik | well, we'll see in 30 years yes? |
| 16:56.06 | nevcairiel | of course you can do that during college |
| 16:56.32 | Tornhoof | just work part time as a student in a related field |
| 16:56.33 | ccox | Nah, give it 5 years after graduation |
| 16:56.40 | Shirik | so 30 years |
| 16:56.56 | ccox | Torn - if you're lucky, yes. Or summer internships. |
| 16:57.11 | ccox | Shirik - planning to do the 25 year graduation plan? |
| 16:57.16 | Shirik | at the rate I'm going |
| 16:57.19 | nevcairiel | i was just thinking that ccox =P |
| 16:57.34 | Shirik | I just keep getting new projects piled on me |
| 16:57.54 | Shirik | latest one guarantees I'll be at the school at least another 3 years despite my status as a senior |
| 16:57.55 | Shirik | so.. |
| 16:58.47 | nevcairiel | why do you let that happen? |
| 16:58.51 | Tornhoof | dunno, i couldn't have financed my degree without having worked parttime ;) |
| 16:58.53 | Shirik | because it's fun |
| 16:58.57 | JoshBorke | where's the CE of WotLK? |
| 16:58.59 | nevcairiel | 3 years is like the time i hope to study in total |
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| 16:59.07 | Shirik | And admittedly I know very little about cars so I should learn a bit too |
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| 16:59.24 | nevcairiel | You cant know everything :P |
| 16:59.33 | purl | flings poo at Guillotine, courtesy of esamynn |
| 16:59.35 | ccox | Torn - me, either, but those jobs still didn't prepare me for my current job |
| 16:59.54 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Aside from that, a job with someone like GM wouldn't be bad. And since they're sponsoring this competition |
| 17:00.08 | Shirik | they've already hired one of our team members |
| 17:00.12 | nevcairiel | your robot thing? |
| 17:00.14 | Shirik | no |
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| 17:00.35 | nevcairiel | now a car thing? |
| 17:00.37 | ccox | These days a job at GM is about as secure as a job in software - 5 years max |
| 17:00.49 | ScytheBl1de1 | Boo I didn't ping out |
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| 17:01.13 | ccox | (that part you get from reading business news) |
| 17:01.23 | Shirik | http://www.ecocarchallenge.org/ |
| 17:01.33 | Tornhoof | who stays 5y at the same job after college? |
| 17:01.46 | Shirik | Tornhoof: Someone who wants a pension at 40 |
| 17:02.04 | ccox | Torn - someone who lands a really, really good job |
| 17:02.39 | Shirik | also, ccox, I would be surprised if that holds true for much longer |
| 17:02.48 | Shirik | For mechanical engineers, I'll agree with it |
| 17:03.06 | Shirik | I expect a boost in computer-related fields for automobile companies, though, as cars get more intelligent |
| 17:03.15 | Tornhoof | the boost is already there |
| 17:03.20 | Tornhoof | for example |
| 17:03.28 | ccox | Shirik - even software is starting to get more long term employment, depending on the company and team |
| 17:03.45 | Shirik | I don't like to think of software as a "good" job, honestly |
| 17:03.47 | Tornhoof | 60% of the current production costs of the new bmw 7er (f01) the luxury car is for electronics ;) |
| 17:04.00 | ccox | Shirik - it can be |
| 17:04.01 | Shirik | Personally I don't want to be stuck in some cube writing some functions someone told me to write for random application |
| 17:04.19 | nevcairiel | so get a job as a software designer |
| 17:04.21 | Shirik | Oh I agree, a lot of people like it. I don't. |
| 17:04.23 | Shirik | No |
| 17:04.23 | nevcairiel | not a silly programmer |
| 17:04.25 | Shirik | Software bad >< |
| 17:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i really. really. really hate people who send me three or four emails in the time span it takes me to properly reply to the first one. |
| 17:04.40 | ccox | Shirik - again, depends on the company and team |
| 17:04.44 | Tornhoof | get some consultant job then |
| 17:04.48 | Shirik | I prefer to be very low level; embedded systems, etc. That will still involve software, yes, but it's different |
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| 17:05.16 | ccox | consultant sits at home and writes some function that someone else told them to write for a random application |
| 17:05.17 | Tornhoof | embedded systems is quite a different thing |
| 17:05.37 | Tornhoof | usually you don't start in there |
| 17:05.46 | Tornhoof | since you need quite a few skills to do that |
| 17:06.01 | Tornhoof | otherweise you're either some soft engineer or similar |
| 17:06.04 | ccox | but embeded systems is a growing field, without a lot of stand-out talent yet |
| 17:06.33 | Shirik | Tornhoof, you totally missed the discussion we had earlier, huh? |
| 17:06.34 | Tornhoof | some say it's already on it's peak |
| 17:06.43 | Shirik | No, embedded systems is definitely not on its peak |
| 17:06.47 | Tornhoof | depends on whom you listen to ;) |
| 17:07.03 | ccox | Torn - not if you include smart phones, PDAs, GPS, etc. |
| 17:07.08 | Shirik | Embedded systems has a long way to go and its demand is steadily increasing as people want things to get smaller and smaller |
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| 17:07.11 | Shirik | look at the iphone |
| 17:07.15 | Tornhoof | hehe |
| 17:07.16 | Tornhoof | no |
| 17:07.21 | Tornhoof | those are not embedded systems anymore |
| 17:07.26 | Shirik | how can you say that |
| 17:07.38 | ccox | Torn - some of them are, and the firmware is very much an embedded system |
| 17:07.46 | Tornhoof | iphone nope |
| 17:07.52 | Tornhoof | most smart phones nope |
| 17:07.57 | Tornhoof | gps yes |
| 17:07.59 | Shirik | oh nice |
| 17:08.05 | Shirik | Posted: Sep 16. Due: Sep 16. |
| 17:08.11 | Shirik | They could at least send a warning out >< |
| 17:08.13 | ccox | Torn - is TiVO embedded, or just a Linux box? It depends on perspective. And the successful perspective treats it as an embedded system. |
| 17:08.52 | Tornhoof | yes and that's the point why some say embedded as in the original embedded (not running some nice middleware system) is on it's peak |
| 17:09.37 | Shirik | "nice middleware system" |
| 17:09.49 | Tornhoof | it just depends on the definition of embedded |
| 17:09.50 | ccox | even then, people want to put embedded processors into more and more things (like the 4 in my toaster) |
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| 17:10.05 | ccox | Torn - even for the classic definition, embedded is still growing rapidly |
| 17:10.09 | Shirik | ccox... 4? |
| 17:10.26 | Tornhoof | we could easily discuss if your 4 mpu classify as embedded in your toaster |
| 17:10.29 | Shirik | what do you have a redundant toaster? |
| 17:10.41 | Jamash | well the bread is hot-swappable |
| 17:10.48 | Shirik | lol |
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| 17:10.52 | Shirik | bad |
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| 17:11.09 | ccox | ... it was a gift. LCD display, timer/power control, 2 x temp/failure sensors |
| 17:11.12 | Tornhoof | most likely it's even more if it has some display (my toaster has a display) |
| 17:11.16 | ccox | badbadbadbadbad |
| 17:11.17 | Shirik | I'm also getting sick of people assuming I have word.... |
| 17:11.38 | Tornhoof | duh i hate that ptr |
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| 17:12.09 | Lunessa | Shirik: But... but... but.. everyone has something that can read Word. |
| 17:12.13 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:12.17 | Shirik | but I hate opening Open Office too |
| 17:12.21 | Shirik | send me a damn PDF |
| 17:12.57 | ccox | or they assume you must have the latest (.docx WTF?) |
| 17:13.17 | Shirik | fortunately they didn't do that |
| 17:13.27 | Shirik | THOUGH |
| 17:13.34 | Shirik | I did break their software |
| 17:13.35 | Shirik | that was fun |
| 17:13.59 | Shirik | Apparently their login system assumes last names never have a space. So it made my username "ac.mpdel buono" which is not a valid username |
| 17:14.17 | Jamash | wooo invalid assumptions yeah |
| 17:14.20 | Shirik | That's the kind of crap I'm talking about when I say experience is not everything :P |
| 17:14.31 | Shirik | I would have caught that (granted, I cheat, because I see this on a regular basis) |
| 17:15.19 | Shirik | Of course, these guys work for the government so we can assume they're not bright |
| 17:15.26 | ccox | no comment |
| 17:15.41 | Jamash | there's not being bright and there's not being paid to be bright |
| 17:16.00 | Movix | hello, can somebody tell me if it's possible to set item in the playertrade by an addon ? |
| 17:16.09 | JoshBorke | no |
| 17:16.45 | kd3 | you can put items in the trade window but you can't automatically trade it |
| 17:17.12 | Movix | héhé not at all but something similar |
| 17:17.33 | Movix | so i can fill it but have to accept the trade manually, right ? |
| 17:18.11 | kd3 | yes |
| 17:18.25 | Shirik | Movix, french? |
| 17:18.37 | Movix | yes |
| 17:18.39 | Shirik | Oh Lunessa, I'm sorry :) |
| 17:18.46 | Shirik | Just curious Movix :) |
| 17:18.56 | Shirik | Lunessa, for what it's worth, you're probably the most intelligent person there |
| 17:18.56 | Movix | why, my bad english told this ? |
| 17:19.05 | Shirik | No, the héhé |
| 17:19.21 | Lunessa | Shirik: Me too. I really hate having to tell someone "I can't help you. The state said so." |
| 17:19.25 | Shirik | Most english-speaking people don't have é on their keyboard |
| 17:19.29 | Movix | kd3; can you give me a hint, because i did not found the way to put items in the trade window |
| 17:19.46 | Movix | ok, i will try to use hihi or haha ;-) |
| 17:19.50 | Shirik | no it's ok :) |
| 17:19.52 | Shirik | I was just wondering :) |
| 17:20.05 | Lunessa | brb... rebooting. |
| 17:20.24 | kd3 | movix; http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4702-tradeDispenser.html |
| 17:20.40 | Movix | thx |
| 17:21.22 | Shirik | ccox, you don't work for the government do you? |
| 17:21.30 | ccox | Not anymore |
| 17:21.35 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:21.43 | Shirik | well that will explain the "no comment" part :) |
| 17:21.53 | ccox | (ancient history) |
| 17:22.06 | Shirik | My parents have been trying to convince me to work for the FBI |
| 17:22.15 | ScytheBl1de1 | lol? |
| 17:22.28 | Shirik | Supposedly they're looking for a lot of people for computer forensics |
| 17:22.37 | ScytheBl1de1 | That I believe |
| 17:22.41 | Jamash | kiddie porn and organized crime, sounds like fun |
| 17:22.50 | ccox | Shirik - yes |
| 17:23.41 | ccox | and it breaks down into subareas: disk/filesystem, encryption, and imaging forensics |
| 17:24.13 | Shirik | This is an interesting versioning scheme: v091208 |
| 17:24.22 | ccox | lots of specialty work - but also lots of really disgusting evidence to deal with |
| 17:24.27 | Shirik | By my standards, that means v091309 is newer than v091208 |
| 17:24.33 | Shirik | which is not true... |
| 17:24.41 | Shirik | er |
| 17:24.46 | ccox | Shirik - dates are common, but they seem to have the order screwed up |
| 17:24.47 | kd3 | um |
| 17:24.52 | Shirik | backwards... |
| 17:24.58 | ccox | at least you can tell they are American |
| 17:25.00 | Shirik | v091308 is newer than v091209 |
| 17:25.06 | Shirik | it's from GM, ccox :) |
| 17:25.35 | ccox | Not even backwards, because it should be 20080912 (year, month, day) |
| 17:25.51 | Shirik | I meant backwards as in "v091309 really is newer than v091208" |
| 17:26.00 | ccox | and 08 is shortsighted (millenium bug anyone?) |
| 17:26.10 | Shirik | and yes, I use YMD whenever I use dates for versioning |
| 17:26.18 | Shirik | because then it's in an easily sortable form |
| 17:26.24 | ccox | bingo |
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| 17:27.48 | Shirik | have you ever used sharepoint, ccox? |
| 17:27.57 | ccox | nope |
| 17:28.14 | Shirik | I have found a newfound hatred for Microsoft products, again |
| 17:28.43 | Shirik | so...ugly... |
| 17:28.46 | ccox | don't worry, that will grow |
| 17:29.03 | Shirik | Unlikely :P |
| 17:29.12 | ccox | because it's maxed out? |
| 17:29.25 | Shirik | No, I have resisted conversion for a very long time. I hate all microsoft products except for a very specific few |
| 17:29.41 | Shirik | Visual Studio, Vista, both of which I think are great products (though Vista could have been optimized a little better I think) |
| 17:30.05 | Shirik | That's about the extent of the list, though |
| 17:30.20 | Pneumatus | not even Outlook, or any of the Office suite? |
| 17:30.21 | ccox | ouch, we need to work on improving your standards |
| 17:30.32 | Shirik | Office is OK, but not something I would like to pay for |
| 17:30.43 | Shirik | Don't get me wrong, I like Linux and use it frequently |
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| 17:31.06 | Shirik | But there are too many things to give up to switch |
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| 17:31.26 | Pneumatus | and for enterprise sized developments, SQL Server scales very well |
| 17:32.03 | Shirik | I've never had a "enterprise sized" database. The biggest I've ever had is a custom forum with about 600k topics, which MySQL handled rather well |
| 17:33.03 | Shirik | ok I'm going to be late if I keep chatting like this |
| 17:33.09 | Shirik | I need food |
| 17:33.14 | Shirik | byes |
| 17:34.15 | kd3 | rofl... "The Dangers of Magic Abuse" |
| 17:34.26 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Dangers_of_Magic_Abuse |
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| 17:36.04 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:36.05 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy |
| 17:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-School! |
| 17:36.23 | Jelly-School | So tired. |
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| 17:37.30 | Jelly-School | So how is everyone today? |
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| 17:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | So tired. |
| 17:38.43 | Lopeppeppy | Fell down my stairs last night tripping over That Damn Cat. Very sore! |
| 17:39.18 | Jelly-School | :( |
| 17:39.21 | Jelly-School | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.31 | Dashkal | ow ow ow ow ow... |
| 17:39.32 | NightHawkTheSane | surprisingly accurate.. http://news.bigdownload.com/photos/10-reasons-to-avoid-spore/ |
| 17:44.05 | Anaral | In a macro, if I have multiple /target x, will it target the second or third listed if the first is not present? |
| 17:44.32 | Dashkal | eh, sounds like the author of that review wanted quite a bit more of everything... |
| 17:45.20 | NeoTron | can't decide if I will get the collectors edition of wotlk or not |
| 17:45.59 | Jelly-School | do wanbt |
| 17:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: maybe, but i find i agree with him on most points. |
| 17:46.05 | Jelly-School | s/wanbt/want/ |
| 17:46.13 | cog|work | Anaral: they're all executed in sequence. what happens in the first line doesn't matter at all if the second line finds a target |
| 17:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: the game was good, but.. very shallow, with limited replayability |
| 17:46.17 | Jelly-School | NightHawkTheSane: Same |
| 17:46.51 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Shallow I'll agree with. I got it because I rather like the creature builder (yes yes, I know I could have got that alone) and space battles are quite a bit of fun. |
| 17:47.06 | Dashkal | That and I'm perfectly capable of making SecuROM go away when I'm done |
| 17:47.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: it just seems like the entire game is a demo for the creature/building/vehicle creation |
| 17:47.29 | Dashkal | It's a gaming rig. Back up wow, nuke, rinse, restore wow :p |
| 17:47.33 | Anaral | cog|work: Thank ye |
| 17:47.59 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Agreed. stages 1-4 are just settings for the builders. And space is really just its own thing apart from them. |
| 17:48.12 | Jelly-School | NightHawkTheSane: I agree. Making the vehicles was quite a bit more fun than anything else the game really had to offer imo. |
| 17:48.15 | Dashkal | The game lacks focus, that's for sure. I just happen to like most of them. |
| 17:48.31 | Dashkal | But with the DRM, I'm not encouraging anybody to get it. That sucker is nasty |
| 17:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Jelly-School: Yeah, i honestly spent half to 2/3 of my time just dicking around in the various builders ;) |
| 17:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | (i did, however, manage to create a not terrible version of the enterprise as a space ship, though :D ) |
| 17:49.18 | Dashkal | Nice |
| 17:49.23 | Jelly-School | SS or it didn't happen imo |
| 17:49.40 | Dashkal | or a link to the pedia entry |
| 17:51.30 | Jelly-School | I *ahem* can't use the pedia. |
| 17:52.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i..er.. can't either. ;) |
| 17:52.30 | Jelly-School | be are be |
| 17:52.59 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.asylumsw.com/misc/enterprise.png |
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| 17:53.14 | Jelly-School | BACK |
| 17:53.24 | Jelly-School | So yeah .. screenshot or it didn't happen! :P |
| 17:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | jeeeeeeez. i just posted it! |
| 17:53.34 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.asylumsw.com/misc/enterprise.png |
| 17:53.50 | |Yssaril| | NightHawkTheSane: nice |
| 17:54.00 | Jelly-School | lol. nice |
| 17:54.14 | foxlit | qqantaliasing :( |
| 17:54.16 | Dashkal | very niec |
| 17:54.24 | foxlit | s/antaliasing/multisampling/ |
| 17:54.42 | kd3 | win: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956309975&sid=2000#4 |
| 17:55.34 | Jelly-School | yais |
| 17:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, meh. |
| 17:56.09 | Dashkal | kd3: Oh that would be amazing :p |
| 17:56.45 | Jelly-School | And to be honest, I didn't play much of the space stage but really had more fun at the cellular level and the early creature stage versus the later stages. |
| 17:57.46 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 18:00.33 | Jelly-School | So I'm so excited to go take this sociology exam. SO EXCITED! |
| 18:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
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| 18:05.33 | Jelly-School | *HUG* kek |
| 18:07.51 | cladhaire | Shirik|AFK: I started a vent server our on box, for my 3v3 |
| 18:07.56 | cladhaire | i may just set it up permanently |
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| 18:09.29 | AckisWork | NINJA Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muLIPWjks_M |
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| 18:18.46 | Jelly-School | My study buddy isn't here! /emo |
| 18:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 18:20.07 | Jelly-School | Well, she takes super detailed notes and I well, just generally remember things so we quiz each other. lol |
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| 18:20.40 | Industrial | <3 not going away :3 |
| 18:20.52 | Industrial | er, mt |
| 18:20.58 | Shirik | mmm, "she"? ;) |
| 18:21.01 | Jelly-School | Good! I WERE SKURRED! |
| 18:21.23 | Jelly-School | She also has kids older than me. |
| 18:21.29 | Shirik | haha |
| 18:22.08 | Jelly-School | That's right! YOU LAUGH! YOU LAUGH HARD! |
| 18:22.36 | kd3 | and heh... forums maint |
| 18:22.39 | Jelly-School | Then again, I'd probably, you know, "do" Palin too. |
| 18:23.26 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 18:23.33 | kd3 | hm? |
| 18:23.37 | Jelly-School | Yeah, he would too. |
| 18:23.38 | Fisker- | get blizzard to make talk like a pirate-day a holiday event |
| 18:23.44 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:23.52 | Fisker- | they have 3 days |
| 18:24.05 | kd3 | oh hell. it is september, isn't it? |
| 18:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr. |
| 18:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | it's probably far too late to get any in-game content for tlapd though |
| 18:25.20 | Jelly-School | they could put something in booty bay! |
| 18:28.15 | malreth | i could put something in *your* booty bay |
| 18:28.28 | Jelly-School | promise? |
| 18:28.52 | malreth | Tekkub can't watch... unless he pays $500 |
| 18:29.08 | Tekkub | :P |
| 18:29.16 | Tekkub | I can get porn free thanks |
| 18:29.23 | Jelly-School | not like this |
| 18:29.27 | malreth | this isn't what i would define as "porn" |
| 18:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: you have -no- idea how hard i was trying not to say that EXACT thing. |
| 18:30.09 | cladhaire | god... rogue/druid/warlock is ridiculous! |
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| 18:34.42 | Dashkal | Looks like Sixen is getting his wish: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/9956670133-introductions.html |
| 18:35.22 | Fisker- | what wish? |
| 18:36.00 | kd3 | a forum purge! huzzah |
| 18:36.13 | alestane | For the PTR? |
| 18:36.18 | kd3 | ya |
| 18:37.10 | alestane | That suggests that meaningful discourse might actually commence soon...ah for crying in the sink, who am I kidding? |
| 18:37.29 | alestane | Meaningful discourse runs in fear from the PTR forum. |
| 18:37.44 | kd3 | ^... however, hopefully the banstick will at least cut down on the spam |
| 18:45.40 | Dewin | hmm... anybody use Macaroons? |
| 18:46.12 | Dewin | (in beta or PTR) |
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| 18:47.00 | Jelly-School | TEST TEIM |
| 18:48.03 | NeoTron | WTB Ghostcrawler for Warlocks PST |
| 18:49.16 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: s/ptr/wow/ |
| 18:49.36 | NeoTron | alestane: I could say the same for half the posts in the beta forums too |
| 18:49.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: i use macaroons.. to sate my hunger. |
| 18:52.13 | Anaral | NightHawkTheSane: I couldn't get Macaroons to work, and only had access to the bar frame options, which also didn't seem to work. |
| 18:52.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Anaral: you appear to have missed my clever pun. |
| 18:53.17 | Anaral | I read '... to sate my anger.' at first, so it made sense until I reread |
| 18:54.16 | Dewin | Anaral: Interesting. It seems to work mostly-fine for me, with some minor issues... like I can't get custom state paging to work. |
| 18:54.36 | Dewin | which is, like... one of the reasons I downloaded it |
| 18:54.55 | Dewin | trinity replacement |
| 18:55.35 | Anaral | I thought it let you make macros... but I'm not sure anymore, after trying it... |
| 18:55.45 | Dewin | It does. |
| 18:56.06 | Dewin | basically, each button can be an action, a pet action, or a macro (or maybe possess/etc) |
| 18:56.10 | Dewin | 1023 character macro |
| 18:56.15 | Anaral | Well as I said, the option to make macros wasn't there. |
| 18:56.38 | Dewin | Did you alt-click to go into button edit mode? |
| 18:57.19 | Dewin | it has... 3 different edit modes, which is somewhat confusing |
| 18:57.23 | Anaral | It didn't throw any errors either, so I have no idea why none of the modifiers worked, except to open the main menu, but then it only showed the bar options, the sub option below it was blank. |
| 18:58.01 | Anaral | Dewin: As stated above, the only modifier that worked on the mini-map button was to open the main menu. |
| 18:59.37 | Dewin | oh. I missed that. Weird. |
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| 19:00.23 | Anaral | I tried deleting it and reinstalling, same result, so I gave up. |
| 19:03.09 | Dewin | and it looks to be the most promising replacement for Infinibar too. Ah well. |
| 19:03.50 | Dewin | It was updated two days ago, maybe it was fixed? |
| 19:08.32 | Dashkal | ok, I _really_ need to do halls of stone... |
| 19:08.55 | Dashkal | And lightning |
| 19:09.07 | Dashkal | Did they fix the DK/disease/mechanical issue in there? |
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| 19:10.00 | alestane | ...station. |
| 19:10.51 | Lunessa | station indeed. |
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| 19:14.12 | Arrowmaster | no power until friday-sunday now =( |
| 19:17.28 | alestane | Arrowmaster: Where are you again? |
| 19:17.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: how are you keeping your laptop powered? :p |
| 19:18.07 | kd3 | power inverter running off the car battery |
| 19:18.16 | kd3 | better question... how are you not out of gas? |
| 19:18.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:20.06 | Arrowmaster | because im not running the car very often |
| 19:20.27 | Arrowmaster | although yes i did have to jump start it at 1am lastnight |
| 19:21.03 | Arrowmaster | alestane: western Ohio |
| 19:21.26 | alestane | You got socked by the tail end of Ike coming inland or something? |
| 19:21.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 19:21.53 | Arrowmaster | yes, what was left of Ike went directly over us |
| 19:21.57 | Arrowmaster | 70+ mph winds |
| 19:22.10 | alestane | Which Ohio isn't really used to IIRC. |
| 19:22.16 | Arrowmaster | 84 of 88 counties got damage |
| 19:22.50 | Arrowmaster | http://www.whiotv.com/weather/17469580/detail.html |
| 19:24.00 | Arrowmaster | the damn numbers in these news reports keep changing |
| 19:24.57 | Arrowmaster | yesterday it said there was 225,000 DP&L customers without power at one point and it had been restored to 100,000 customers, now it says it was 180,000 and 25,000 have had power restored |
| 19:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a conspiracy |
| 19:25.57 | kd3 | 97.5% done, yay! two more trips to the otherside of winterspring and back |
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| 19:27.14 | Arrowmaster | anybody know how much damage the other states received? this is saying crews from indiana and the gulf coast are coming to ohio to help restore power |
| 19:28.21 | kd3 | outside of texas and louisiana, not much on the gulf itself |
| 19:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | why the hell does the us have -three- currency codes? o_0 |
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| 19:30.36 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: ??? |
| 19:31.44 | Dewin | Anybody know of a (I don't care how crude it is) addon for sending fairly large (multiline) chat messages to a player? I want to make something with answers to common PTR questions that I can send to people who ask them. |
| 19:32.45 | Dewin | I guess I could macro it, but 255 character limit>.> |
| 19:34.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: we have USD, USS, and USN |
| 19:34.01 | Gngsk | you could use any in game editor that can execute lua commands |
| 19:34.01 | Gngsk | I'd prolly use tinypad |
| 19:35.01 | Dewin | hmm... good idea |
| 19:35.08 | Dewin | other than having to fill in the name of the person I want to send it to manually |
| 19:36.14 | NightHawkTheSane | you could write a rudimentary addon to do it fairly easily |
| 19:36.33 | Gngsk | yeah, depending how often you'd use it an addon might be more efficient |
| 19:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | you could, if you were ambitious, actually write a queryable-FAQ style addon that let you add custom questions/answers |
| 19:37.22 | NightHawkTheSane | like craftlist, but for FAQs! |
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| 19:37.48 | Dewin | NH: I could... but then I'd have to /reloadui whenever I change the message because I'd be too lazy to add an editor |
| 19:38.09 | Dewin | I'd love to be able to right-click on their name and then and 'Send welcome message' |
| 19:39.38 | Dewin | Actually, that's not a bad idea for an a addon |
| 19:39.46 | Dewin | s/an a/an/ |
| 19:41.15 | wereHamster | There used to be a 'purl'-like addon for WoW (one that you could teach etc). I bet you could use that. But I can't find it right now :( |
| 19:41.17 | Dewin | If you could set predefined messages and have it so you right-click their name, choose what message you want to send, and boom. Has non-PTR use too -- say you're an enchanter and someone wants to know what enchants you have that are useful for twinks. |
| 19:41.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it wouldn't be terribly difficult, i'd think, to add a simple add/edit/delete messsage functionality, and link that to a right-click menu item to send the selected one as a tell. |
| 19:42.07 | alestane | Dewin: You can link all the recipes you know in a profession to someone in 3.0 |
| 19:42.42 | alestane | You send them a link to the profession, they can click on it to see all your recipes. |
| 19:42.52 | Dewin | You can link ALL of them. You can't give them a shorter list of what you recommend |
| 19:43.10 | Dewin | A level 19 warrior twink does not care about your +spellpower enchants. |
| 19:43.11 | kd3 | is there still no info lua-side about the bitfield? |
| 19:43.29 | Dewin | I saw an addon for it that would limit it |
| 19:43.50 | Dewin | but it was still work in prgoress |
| 19:44.03 | Dewin | wow, let's see if I remember how to send a tell via /script.... nope! |
| 19:44.20 | Dewin | Last time I tried writing an addon was WOW 1.x |
| 19:44.43 | wereHamster | ~api SendChatMessage |
| 19:44.44 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage |
| 19:46.45 | Dewin | yeah, I can find stuff pretty quick, just didn't know from memory |
| 19:47.14 | Thunder_Child | ~dance |
| 19:47.27 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 19:49.56 | Arrowmaster | !api SendChatMessage |
| 19:49.56 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'SendChatMessage' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage |
| 19:54.42 | Arrowmaster | picasa needs to allow adding more than 5 pictures at a time |
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| 20:02.18 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 20:02.18 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy |
| 20:02.30 | kd3 | ding! exalted wintersaber! |
| 20:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | How was the test, dear? |
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| 20:02.38 | Dewin | phew. my new ptr spam thingie works. |
| 20:02.51 | ScytheBl1de1 | kd3: freak |
| 20:02.53 | |Jelly| | Prolly pretty bad. I'm not really good with sociology. |
| 20:03.25 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96206 |
| 20:03.29 | ScytheBl1de1 | kd3: but grats |
| 20:03.50 | kd3 | now to finish the furball grind |
| 20:03.51 | Dewin | Anything I should add? |
| 20:04.04 | kd3 | ~1k rep to go there |
| 20:05.40 | Dewin | I almost want to make it send to trade channel to answer other questions at the same time, but that might be excessive |
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| 20:24.53 | Arrowmaster | http://picasaweb.google.com/arrowmaster/IkeDamage |
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| 20:32.02 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, insurance ftw |
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| 20:33.45 | Arrowmaster | i doubt insurance will do much about all the lost food from having no power for a week |
| 20:35.37 | Thunder_Child | i meant for the roof |
| 20:39.36 | zenzelezz | so my first attempt at trying out the PTR has been interesting, almost made it past the loading screen (I think) |
| 20:40.10 | zenzelezz | at least it kicked me back to the character selection once |
| 20:40.23 | Neuro_Medivh | did they fix the beta vs ptr? |
| 20:40.29 | Neuro_Medivh | or are you not in the beta? |
| 20:40.42 | zenzelezz | not in the beta |
| 20:41.10 | alestane | I can't even see the PTR server. |
| 20:41.34 | zenzelezz | I'm EU, we probably have different PTRs |
| 20:42.14 | alestane | Good to know...I completely missed the 2.4.3 PTR due to being in the alpha. Couldn't see that one either, some sort of authentication quirk. |
| 20:42.15 | kd3 | boo hiss... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679893069&pageNo=1&sid=2000#6 |
| 20:43.08 | Corgan | ^^^ |
| 20:43.14 | zenzelezz | if they remove the attunement, at least make an achievement for those who are attuned |
| 20:43.47 | zenzelezz | besides, how are people going to get teams for BRD and UBRS now? |
| 20:45.04 | Neuro_Medivh | q: what's the exact title of the WoW programming book? |
| 20:45.09 | alestane | Yeah, I'd hate to see that quest line vanish just because they want to put Bolvar Fordragon somewhere else. |
| 20:45.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if they're going to disable the horde quests too.. or just the alliance one |
| 20:45.58 | zenzelezz | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:45.59 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 20:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: the obnoxious thing is you could solo the entire ony chain at 70..except for the parts in UBRS where you need 3 to get past that fire ele dude. |
| 20:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | (okay, general drak could be rough..) |
| 20:46.57 | Neuro_Medivh | thank you zenz |
| 20:51.17 | smcn | ugh, there was no lag on northrend at all for about half an hour :( |
| 20:51.41 | zenzelezz | this saddens you, or did the lag catch up with the server? |
| 20:51.48 | Tem|Work | when did it become trendy to say "deeps" instead of dps?? |
| 20:52.12 | ralfWORK | since we became 12 years old? |
| 20:52.23 | smcn | zenzelezz: it's lagging now :P |
| 20:52.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|Work: never. those people are stupid. |
| 20:53.55 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043084302&pageNo=1&sid=2000#6 |
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| 21:03.36 | Dashkal | Oh thank god: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/14/9336519325-seeds-of-the-blacksouled-keepers--remove-it.html |
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| 21:05.21 | smcn | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 21:05.35 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: what, because of.. other people? :p |
| 21:05.41 | smcn | yes |
| 21:06.38 | Wikwocket | Is there an easy way to do something like, IF this addon is running in 3.0 or greater, THEN do this, ELSE do that? |
| 21:07.25 | ScytheBl1de1 | I liked that quest as-is :( |
| 21:07.32 | Dewin | Wikwocket: Closest thing I can think of is to have it be a loader for two different addons and load them based on interface version or something |
| 21:07.57 | Dewin | but IANAAA (I Am Not An Addon Author) |
| 21:08.05 | Wikwocket | Can you get at the interface number in Lua, or just in TOC files? |
| 21:08.19 | Dashkal | !api GetBuildInfo |
| 21:08.20 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetBuildInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBuildInfo |
| 21:08.28 | Dashkal | That what you're looking for? |
| 21:08.57 | Dewin | so if tocversion >= 30000 then... |
| 21:09.14 | Wikwocket | Yeah, thank you! I think tocVersion >= 30000 should work |
| 21:09.18 | cladhaire | if select(4, GetBuildInfo()) > 30000 then |
| 21:09.23 | cladhaire | >= but yeah |
| 21:09.24 | Wikwocket | And if not, well, I release a new version on patch day hehe |
| 21:09.33 | Dewin | Wikwocket: or you can test it on the PTR right now. |
| 21:09.46 | Wikwocket | I suppose I should ;) |
| 21:10.03 | Dewin | what addon? |
| 21:10.36 | Wikwocket | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7200-CCBreakWarner.html - in 3.0 I believe it will be able to report on your CC breaks even on targets you don't have focused |
| 21:10.51 | Wikwocket | Due to more info on auras fading going into the combatlog |
| 21:11.20 | Dewin | hmm that'd be nice ;) |
| 21:11.26 | Dewin | I'm using Afterlife Crowd Control atm |
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| 21:11.29 | durcyn | you can already get that in 2.4.3 from _DISPEL |
| 21:11.51 | Dewin | though I discovered the current version requires me to target the mob I'm freeze trapping, which is annoying |
| 21:12.10 | bleetah | kd3: Onyxia attunement's been removed, looks like everything alliance wrt Presotr/Bolvar is going to remain broken until after launch http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043084302-wheres-katrana-prestor.html |
| 21:12.18 | Wikwocket | durcyn: When my shackle fades from a mob, I only saw a SPELL_AURA_REMOVED, with no info to say whether it was my shackle |
| 21:12.24 | kd3 | ya, I saw. already updated the wiki |
| 21:12.38 | durcyn | Wikwocket: a fade is not a dispel |
| 21:12.41 | bleetah | kd3: rightio, limited bandwidth here figured I'd jump in and alert ya hehe |
| 21:13.07 | Wikwocket | Indeed, I just want to report on fades, dispels, breaks, everything. If a ex-shackled mob is coming for me, I want to know =) |
| 21:13.13 | Dewin | Wik: Does yours say what broke it? |
| 21:13.23 | Wikwocket | It will in 3.0; not currently |
| 21:13.32 | bleetah | kd3: what do you score that on the lame-o-meter? I give it about 9.75 |
| 21:13.36 | Wikwocket | Currently it watches your focus for the removal of the CC debuff |
| 21:14.02 | Dewin | We actually kicked a hunter from a raid awhile back because we witnessed them repeatedly breaking sheep with multishot (courtesy of the mage's addon going "<huntername> broke my polymorph!" |
| 21:14.24 | ScytheBl1de1 | lol |
| 21:15.02 | Dewin | I still want to know what it is about hunter and rogue that attracts all the bad players. |
| 21:15.07 | Dewin | and I say this as a hunter. |
| 21:15.08 | Wikwocket | I had a request to make the mod whisper people who broke CC but I don't think I will go that far |
| 21:15.09 | kd3 | I'm incredibly displeased at that stunt |
| 21:15.13 | kd3 | they're in too much of a hurry |
| 21:16.10 | Dewin | Wik: That'd be useful if people didn't know they were breaking CC, but annoying to be the tank that's SUPPOSED to be breaking the CC |
| 21:16.25 | Wikwocket | Yup |
| 21:16.25 | Gnarfoz | you could very easily exclude tanks from that. |
| 21:16.41 | Dewin | Only if you have a reliable way to know if they're a tank |
| 21:16.55 | Dewin | what if they're a dps war? I mean, I guess you could go by talent builds |
| 21:17.07 | Gnarfoz | talents, oRA, even blizzard MTs :p |
| 21:17.09 | Adys | Is the CE preorderable for EU yet? |
| 21:17.20 | Gnarfoz | and who cares if it's reliable :P |
| 21:17.31 | Wikwocket | Sounds like a great optional addon plugin for someone to code and email to me! |
| 21:17.40 | Dewin | I prefer a no surprises approach to my addons, Gnarf :) |
| 21:18.10 | Gnarfoz | how's it a surprise to say "duh there's no way to know for sure for if a warrior is really a tank" and leave it at that? :P |
| 21:18.11 | Dewin | Like when I was a hunter and Afterlife decided to start reporting my shackle undead being broken when the priest was casting it... and spamming the raid in the middle of kara... yeah, that was ugly |
| 21:18.49 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a failure of an addon. |
| 21:18.59 | Gnarfoz | BigBrother's CCwarn part > that :P |
| 21:19.33 | Wikwocket | Right now BB only works for sheep IIRC |
| 21:19.40 | bleetah | kd3: gave my 2c to the thread 'you guys almost had me convinced you wouldn't screw up lore as much as you did with BC' ;) |
| 21:19.58 | Gnarfoz | Wikwocket: uhm lol, no? :p |
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| 21:20.33 | durcyn | pretty sure i personally rewrote the cc warn section of bigbrother to work with anything that shows up in 2.4.3 DISPEL events |
| 21:20.48 | Gnarfoz | not automatically, though |
| 21:20.52 | Gnarfoz | still goes by list |
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| 21:21.04 | durcyn | yeah, there's still a whitelist. not just cc shows up in that event. |
| 21:21.26 | alestane | Well, to my mind there is at least a little difference between stating that something has changed in the game world, and retroactively stating that things were different all along. |
| 21:21.57 | Wikwocket | I stand corrected on BB, my bad |
| 21:21.58 | Neuro_Medivh | you mean like the Sargeras/Eredar fiasco? |
| 21:22.14 | alestane | That was what I was thinking of, yes. |
| 21:22.23 | Neuro_Medivh | which, afaik, has never been properly fixed |
| 21:22.27 | alestane | They admitted that they completely slipped up and contradicted themselves. |
| 21:22.46 | alestane | I believe it's just been retconned at this point. |
| 21:22.52 | Neuro_Medivh | but which way? |
| 21:23.14 | alestane | They said the new back story would be canon. |
| 21:23.17 | kd3 | the way it stands now |
| 21:23.34 | Neuro_Medivh | You mean, Sargeras corrupting the Eredar? |
| 21:23.43 | Neuro_Medivh | instead of the other way around? |
| 21:23.46 | kd3 | ya |
| 21:23.52 | alestane | Yes. The draenei are eredar who snubbed his "offer". |
| 21:24.03 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah.. but then, how did Sargeras fall from grace? |
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| 21:24.16 | Neuro_Medivh | he just woke up one morning and decided to be a dick? |
| 21:24.26 | Neuro_Medivh | i mean, I can believe it, cause it's happened to people i know =) |
| 21:24.49 | Dashkal | I'll have to look it up, but I think the dreadlords get that credit now |
| 21:24.54 | alestane | I'm not sure they're even clinging to Sargeras' fall at this point...You'd need to find a world designer. |
| 21:25.10 | durcyn | i thought old lore attributed it to the nathrezim |
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| 21:25.19 | alestane | i.e. the Dreadloards. |
| 21:25.51 | alestane | The nathrezim is the name the demons like Varimathras use for themselves. |
| 21:26.23 | durcyn | yes, i know. it was after he fought them that he turned, no? |
| 21:26.40 | Dashkal | He was slowly corrupted by each race he put down. I think they were the final straw |
| 21:26.43 | alestane | I'm not sufficiently expert to answer that question with confidence. |
| 21:27.19 | Dashkal | Outside of CoT:MH, has Sargeras even been mentioned in game? |
| 21:27.36 | Dewin | you mean, besides the Marks of Sargeras aldor rep items? |
| 21:28.04 | Dashkal | apart from those as well. I know KJ makes mention of him, but I can't think of any in game lore of him |
| 21:28.09 | alestane | I think some of the books might mention him. If you go for the loremaster achievement or whatever they called it you can check. |
| 21:28.14 | Dashkal | mmm |
| 21:28.18 | Dashkal | I'll have to poke at that |
| 21:28.31 | bleeter | [DI just love how they're gunna have an ahceievement that's impossible for Alliance to get |
| 21:28.43 | Dashkal | bleeter: erm? |
| 21:29.03 | Shirik | bleeter: I'd love that too |
| 21:29.14 | bleeter | presuming they're not actuallyt removing the horde Ony quest chain too, that is |
| 21:29.20 | Shirik | "Be good" - Have no characters on alliance side, ever |
| 21:29.36 | Dashkal | ~failrik |
| 21:29.37 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:29.39 | Dewin | Wait... |
| 21:29.49 | Dewin | There already is an achievement that is impossible for Alliance get. There's one for winning WSG, right? |
| 21:29.53 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 21:29.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:29.57 | bleeter | we should have a ~failzen, 'FAIL METZEN FAIL AGAIN!' |
| 21:30.05 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, that one's easy to get, you just have to get it at lvl 19 |
| 21:30.12 | Dewin | hmm this is true |
| 21:30.20 | Dewin | I won my first three WSGs on my warlock |
| 21:30.27 | Dewin | who wasn't even really a twink |
| 21:30.39 | Neuro_Medivh | 10-19 bracket is dominated by ally twinks... everything else is horde |
| 21:30.58 | cog|work | anyone know where I can find a flight path to connect Zim'Torga to dalaran, dragonblight, or grizzly hills? |
| 21:31.01 | cog|work | (alliance) |
| 21:31.31 | Dewin | I still wish they'd do something about my suggestion for battleground scaling that would pretty much end twinking |
| 21:31.41 | Neuro_Medivh | like in WAR? |
| 21:31.53 | Dewin | No, I suggested waaaay before WAR even was announced. |
| 21:31.59 | Dewin | pre-TBC even |
| 21:32.15 | Dewin | The idea is this: Instead of breaking battlegrounds by level band (10-19, etc.) |
| 21:32.20 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but such a thing is in WAR, thus my question... WAR has scaling, sorta, for the scenarios (BGs) |
| 21:32.23 | Shirik | is there any kind of ratings buster functional for wotlk? |
| 21:32.31 | Dewin | Shrik: RatingBuster is updated for WOTLK |
| 21:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i thought i saw that they were removing the achievement as well? |
| 21:32.33 | nevcairiel | Shirik: wowi beta cat |
| 21:32.37 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 21:32.38 | Shirik | oh it's there? |
| 21:32.38 | kd3 | the real ratings buster's on wowi |
| 21:32.38 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: for ony attune, that is |
| 21:33.07 | nevcairiel | cog|work: uhm, i think the fly point in western ZD does that |
| 21:33.13 | Dewin | My idea is this: Instead of a battleground being banded, once the queue hits a certain size it takes the first N players from the queue (sorted by level) and dumps them into the battleground... with appropriate adjustments, et.c |
| 21:33.26 | Dewin | So if you're lv19, one time you might get a lv15-19 BG, another time you might get a 19-23 BG |
| 21:33.35 | Dewin | depending on who is signed up |
| 21:33.59 | nevcairiel | cog|work: ebon watch or that other place, with the teddy-npcs, forgot its name |
| 21:34.09 | cog|work | nevcairiel: thanks i'll take a look. couldn't find any decent FP maps last I looked... |
| 21:34.11 | Dewin | And it'd try to work it out so the average level range is the same on both sides. |
| 21:34.57 | p3lim | hm, is there any font alike GameFontNormalSmall just white? |
| 21:35.35 | ckknight | GameFontHighlightSmall? |
| 21:35.48 | p3lim | thanks :) |
| 21:37.33 | p3lim | what about one like SubZoneTextFont just white? |
| 21:37.47 | kd3 | thank the gods for auto-turnin mods |
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| 21:37.54 | kd3 | 700 deadwood headdresses = pain |
| 21:38.02 | NeoTron | Dashkal: just read the post about the seeds that spawned from the mobs everyone were killin |
| 21:38.46 | nevcairiel | cog|work: yeah get lights breach and argent stand as well, and you can fly anywhere from there |
| 21:41.23 | Dashkal | NeoTron: huh? I just reread the black-souled keeper thread and didn't get your reference. |
| 21:42.28 | NeoTron | Dashkal: what? The keepers used to spawn the seed |
| 21:42.33 | NeoTron | everyone killed the keepers |
| 21:42.36 | NeoTron | means no seeds spawned |
| 21:42.42 | NeoTron | the post you linked says they are fixing it |
| 21:42.46 | NeoTron | what is there to not get? :P |
| 21:42.59 | NeoTron | s/seeds/spores/ but you get the idea |
| 21:43.25 | Dashkal | I read it as pronounced 'reed', changing the meaning |
| 21:43.41 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 21:43.49 | NeoTron | consistency is good |
| 21:44.02 | Dashkal | That quest pissed me off quite a bit the first time. I ended up dropping it. |
| 21:44.03 | NeoTron | I just redd it |
| 21:44.13 | NeoTron | I suggested/bugged it a few times |
| 21:44.19 | NeoTron | managed to complete it after a crash |
| 21:44.22 | Dashkal | Did it with a friend later and got credit thanks to a bizarre bug. WHen he freed nymphs, I got seed credit. |
| 21:44.33 | nevcairiel | i dont even remember that quest, where is it? :P |
| 21:44.41 | Dashkal | HF, out of the last alli hub |
| 21:44.41 | NeoTron | but man it was horribly frustrating. worse than the spawn was killing a spawn and some other random douche running in and taking the killing blow |
| 21:44.56 | NeoTron | Howling Fjeordy |
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| 21:46.13 | Dashkal | The first feedback I posted on that quest wasn't exactly happy. |
| 21:47.36 | NeoTron | glad they listen to feedback. Also seems they listened to itemization feedback (remving essentially duplicate items etc) |
| 21:47.55 | Dashkal | The second amused. How did they managed to bork the quest so I could get credit by doing a different quest entirely, but having it still function normally? |
| 21:48.31 | NeoTron | the benefit of a new beta, which unfortunately don't tend to continue afterwards. So many "wtf?" itemizations in BC. like the 4711 daggers no one ever wants (more due to dagger specs sucking compare to sword but still) |
| 21:48.54 | Shirik | omfg |
| 21:48.57 | Shirik | Just looked at Sunday's WWS |
| 21:49.06 | Shirik | I had 13 million points of healing from CoH for a 3 hour raid |
| 21:55.40 | kd3 | whee. 3 factions exalted in the span of an hour or so |
| 21:55.41 | kd3 | <3 |
| 21:56.49 | bleeter | oh, other news I heard. US Store can now ship Authenticators to Canada, NZ, Aus Sing etc. |
| 21:57.07 | bleeter | BUT... someone mumbled that they're shipped outta EU, adding some USD$60 to shipping |
| 21:57.23 | elite3vil | lol. |
| 21:57.39 | bleeter | which tallies with how much it actually costs when buying one from the EU store |
| 21:57.39 | elite3vil | I should buy a bunch and ship them for $3... make 57$ profit! |
| 21:59.07 | Tem|Work | Shirik: don't worry. Flourish beats you at 1/4 the cost. |
| 21:59.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:59.21 | Shirik | what's Flourish? |
| 21:59.30 | Tem|Work | 51pt druid resto talent |
| 21:59.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:59.35 | Tem|Work | aot hot |
| 21:59.38 | Tem|Work | aoe* |
| 21:59.42 | Shirik | don't take away my fun :( |
| 21:59.46 | foxlit | psst, resto druids are so last expansion! |
| 21:59.56 | Shirik | I'm not sure where I should go, single target or multi target |
| 22:00.02 | Shirik | CoH is going raid-wide though so... |
| 22:00.04 | Shirik | that could be big |
| 22:00.16 | Tem|Work | not according to wowhead |
| 22:00.17 | foxlit | (multi, tbh -- that way, you're not to blame for individual deaths!) |
| 22:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: druids are the new shaman. >< |
| 22:00.33 | Tem|Work | I like being an effective tank healer |
| 22:00.59 | Tem|Work | but I don't like having my numbers on the meter look like I suck because there's very little tank damage and loads of aoe damage |
| 22:01.04 | Tem|Work | (hello sunwell trash) |
| 22:01.32 | Tem|Work | I actually got an angry tell from a warrior in my raid group last time we were in sunwell because I wasn't keeping up with the other healers. |
| 22:01.41 | Tem|Work | because I simply can't |
| 22:01.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:01.47 | Shirik | tell him to play his own class |
| 22:02.07 | Shirik | I've warned my raid team that if they yell at me for something I'm doing, then they're going to feel it to its fullest extent |
| 22:02.13 | Tem|Work | what kind of annoys me is when I land a lifebloom on a target, and it doesn't get to heal even twice |
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| 22:02.18 | Shirik | like in BT, some rogue was mad I wasn't dispelling the ice trap |
| 22:02.35 | Shirik | Well too bad I was (1) out of mana and (2) in the middle of trying to keep a tank up |
| 22:02.36 | Shirik | so... |
| 22:02.42 | Shirik | I decided to dispel everyone except that rogue |
| 22:02.53 | Tem|Work | good call |
| 22:02.53 | Shirik | he got the message |
| 22:03.01 | kd3 | hm... 7 more factions I can relatively easily get to exalted. wonder if it's doable before 3.0.2? |
| 22:03.02 | Shirik | Since then I haven't heard any complaints |
| 22:03.04 | Tem|Work | melee who give healers shit get to die in our raids |
| 22:03.27 | Tem|Work | (the warrior who sent me that tell died on the next few pulls) |
| 22:03.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: damn frost novas in BT are the few times i wish i could dispel magic, just so i could NOT dispel the annoying raid members. |
| 22:03.52 | Shirik | normally I use mass dispel |
| 22:03.54 | Shirik | And I'm good about it too |
| 22:04.01 | Tem|Work | I also can't wait until salv goes away |
| 22:04.06 | Shirik | But I'm also not able to use it immediately every single time |
| 22:04.09 | Shirik | I have other jobs too |
| 22:04.11 | bleeter | oh well, at least the US store can sell them to those countries now... wasi pretty fail when they couldn't |
| 22:04.16 | bleeter | bah |
| 22:04.22 | Tem|Work | I hate hearing people bitch about salv, and I'm not even a pally |
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| 22:04.56 | Tem|Work | Shirik: I'm 99% certain that CoH doesn't heal the whole raid |
| 22:04.56 | Tem|Work | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=42396 |
| 22:05.29 | Stanzilla | x people but raid wide |
| 22:05.33 | Shirik | not whole raid |
| 22:05.33 | NeoTron | Tem|Work: it heals X targets in your party or raid |
| 22:05.35 | Shirik | yeah, what Stanzilla said |
| 22:05.36 | Tem|Work | see also http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=48089 |
| 22:05.42 | NeoTron | not everyone at once |
| 22:05.45 | NeoTron | it's like chain heal |
| 22:05.48 | Tem|Work | Flourish works the same way |
| 22:05.54 | NeoTron | except area rather than bounce |
| 22:06.15 | Tem|Work | oh well, time to go home and do more DK tanking |
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| 22:07.22 | Dashkal | meh, need a deep blood talent that gives us aoe threat. |
| 22:07.26 | foxlit | use: Decreases the cast time of Healing Touch by 1.5 sec., the mana cost by 25%, and the amount healed by 50%. |
| 22:07.56 | NeoTron | foxlit: flash of healing touch |
| 22:08.17 | Dashkal | lua> (3.5-1.5)/(3.5) * (0.75) |
| 22:08.18 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 0.42857142857143 |
| 22:08.59 | Dashkal | hrm, I should have done that math sooner. That makes the talent look a whole lot better... |
| 22:09.03 | Dashkal | s/talent/glyph/ |
| 22:09.06 | foxlit | The "makes spell better while making it worse" glyphs are a bit more annoying than the "makes spell better when it won't matter" glyphs |
| 22:09.11 | foxlit | Damn you, endless customization! |
| 22:12.45 | AckisWork | http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/world-of-warcra.html lol |
| 22:15.00 | NeoTron | AckisWork: so sad |
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| 22:18.15 | AckisWork | NeoTron: lets meet at BWL for some dragon fire stuffz! |
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| 22:36.13 | p3lim | is it able to automaticly put the build info into toc metadata (so it sets the values automaticly when commiting on SVN) |
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| 22:41.19 | Esamynn | p3lim: not and have the TOC always represent the latest build of the entire directory, no |
| 22:43.21 | p3lim | maybe get it to read the Interface version somehow? |
| 22:43.36 | p3lim | through the svn client |
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| 22:46.33 | Dewin | you can probably do it on the svn server side with a script that checks for toc files and analyzes them somehow? |
| 22:46.50 | Dewin | but that's an aspect of svn I have yet to play wit |
| 22:47.16 | p3lim | so it cant be done through the client? |
| 22:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | argh. FUCKING MORONS. |
| 22:47.58 | ckknight | p3lim: seems like this is the bad way to go about it |
| 22:48.07 | Dewin | What exactly do you want to do anyways? |
| 22:48.09 | ckknight | p3lim: you're just updating the Interface: number, right? |
| 22:48.14 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: you alright? |
| 22:48.19 | p3lim | i want my version number to go like this 20400.revision |
| 22:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: not really. :P |
| 22:48.26 | p3lim | the revision part is controlled by the server |
| 22:48.46 | NightHawkTheSane | my boss tells me, at 3:30 pm, he NEEDS me to come in for a meeting with him, TODAY. it -has- to be today. It's a >1.5hr commute ONE WAY for me. |
| 22:48.47 | Dewin | umm... |
| 22:48.54 | p3lim | but id like the 20400 number to be automated too, for beta releases etc |
| 22:49.03 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: man, that sucks |
| 22:49.04 | Dewin | There's a way to do /something/ like that, let me see if I can dig it up |
| 22:49.09 | ckknight | p3lim: imo, since that changes so rarely, you should just change it manually |
| 22:49.32 | p3lim | well while the beta servers going on i swap forth and back |
| 22:49.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: no, waht sucks is that every nice way i've tried to say "no, you douchebag, i will not be out until after 8pm because you couldn't have said this earlier" doesn't seem to stick |
| 22:50.01 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: and the meeting can't be a telecommute? |
| 22:50.06 | NightHawkTheSane | apparently not. |
| 22:50.07 | ckknight | teleconference or whatever |
| 22:50.07 | p3lim | but if there is no way to do it i guess ill just stick to what im doing now |
| 22:50.10 | NightHawkTheSane | (which means it's not good..) |
| 22:50.58 | Dewin | p3lim: How are you getting the revision number out of svn? |
| 22:51.18 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: just tell him "since you're firing me anyway, just pack up and mail me my things" |
| 22:51.22 | p3lim | well, any version that resembles the wow client version is good |
| 22:51.24 | Dewin | svn:keywords + $Rev$? |
| 22:51.29 | Dewin | Revision number, not TOC # |
| 22:51.43 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: man, thats not really funny. even though you may be right. >< |
| 22:51.46 | ckknight | $Rev$ only works if you change the file itself, not the whole project, btw |
| 22:52.13 | Dewin | That's why I was asking |
| 22:52.14 | p3lim | Dewin: the revision number is sorted |
| 22:53.01 | Dewin | If you just need it for release purposes |
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| 22:53.22 | Dewin | I'd write a script that builds the version number based on TOC file + svn version |
| 22:53.25 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: seems odd, though, firings should take place on Friday, not Tuesday |
| 22:53.32 | Dewin | and generates something, maybe a version.lua |
| 22:53.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: *shrug* |
| 22:53.50 | p3lim | bleh, though it could be done easy, ill stick to the old way then.. |
| 22:53.53 | Dewin | err, not "svn version", "svnversion" |
| 22:54.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: my theory too, hell i even offered to come in any other day this week (which i was going to anyway, but meh) |
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| 22:58.29 | Sixen | hmm |
| 22:58.33 | Sixen | kd3, new QA mod. |
| 22:59.38 | p3lim | im off, gnite |
| 22:59.47 | kd3 | yup |
| 23:01.01 | Shirik | [#] 18:59:51 <Dalec>: Level 64 Orc Warrior <Hanging with my Gnomies> - The Underbog |
| 23:01.03 | Shirik | Awesome guild name |
| 23:01.50 | Sixen | Keke, i've seen that before. |
| 23:02.00 | Sixen | <Huge PvPness> |
| 23:02.06 | Sixen | <Anna Nicole needs a Rez> |
| 23:02.17 | Shirik | <It Burns when I PvP> is a popular one here too |
| 23:02.22 | Sixen | hahaha |
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| 23:02.45 | Arrowmaster | <My Couch Pulls Out But I Dont> |
| 23:04.22 | Dewin | we have a <Wildly Inept Pacifists> on our server. |
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| 23:10.59 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043274529 -- bump anyone (kd3, it probably affects you, lul.) |
| 23:11.42 | Shirik | !quit I really need to devise a better way to join new channels |
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| 23:16.09 | Neuro_Medivh | surprised there's not a new build today.. didn't they push a build last tuesday? |
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| 23:17.26 | smcn | thursday iirc |
| 23:18.00 | smcn | crossing my fingers for tomorrow, i doubt it will be today.. i'm pretty sure they're trying to get it out asap |
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| 23:19.21 | kd3 | lmao... a webcomic I read is covering the dk quest bug where crabs yell at DKs |
| 23:19.29 | kd3 | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/ |
| 23:23.16 | Dashkal | Nice... |
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| 23:25.56 | End | hm |
| 23:25.58 | End | note to self |
| 23:26.01 | End | never piss of a rhino god |
| 23:26.30 | End | nooooo |
| 23:26.41 | End | they stole his blood :( |
| 23:26.44 | End | poor rhino god |
| 23:26.48 | Neuro_Medivh | if it's a rhino god, wouldn't it be "noooooooooooose" |
| 23:26.55 | End | nooooooooooose |
| 23:27.10 | Neuro_Medivh | and who wants a rhino god's blood? |
| 23:27.18 | End | his prophet apparently |
| 23:27.40 | ckknight | the blood of a god's gotta be worth something |
| 23:27.46 | Neuro_Medivh | couldn't they just do rhino communion? |
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| 23:28.22 | End | I like how this guy keeps summoning the ZA gods for consult :P |
| 23:28.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh my. |
| 23:29.02 | Lopeppeppy | Dirty mind. *poke* |
| 23:31.09 | Neuro_Medivh | I've come to the conclusion that beta has passed some kind of internal milestone for population, and the lag will never truly go down |
| 23:31.16 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 23:31.17 | Neuro_Medivh | till release, that it |
| 23:31.22 | ScytheBl1de1 | hmm |
| 23:31.23 | Neuro_Medivh | s/it/is/ |
| 23:31.36 | End | which server are you on? |
| 23:31.43 | Neuro_Medivh | Northrend |
| 23:32.08 | End | ah |
| 23:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 23:32.21 | End | northrend probably has loads more people than lich king |
| 23:32.44 | End | (I usually play on lich king, and it seemed fine five minutes ago) |
| 23:33.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I gave up on pvp servers before BC came out |
| 23:33.32 | End | I mostly only have issues with ret paladins ;-p |
| 23:33.47 | Neuro_Medivh | leveled up on one, got to 60, and discovered 90% of the players on my server were racist f*cktards |
| 23:34.12 | Neuro_Medivh | that, and that true world pvp doesn't really happen. Just 5-on-1 ganks |
| 23:34.28 | End | hey, now, on beta pvp I have plenty of 1 on 1s |
| 23:34.33 | End | it's just all ret paladins |
| 23:35.23 | Neuro_Medivh | I just dont' enjoy pvp anymore... especially when my chosen class was the bottom of the pvp pecking order |
| 23:35.44 | End | which class? |
| 23:36.18 | Neuro_Medivh | well, which class/spec would you consider the worst in pvp? |
| 23:36.18 | End | enhancement shaman? |
| 23:36.18 | Neuro_Medivh | got it in one! |
| 23:44.42 | NeoTron | Neuro_Medivh: if you beleve most pvpers, true world pvp is 5 to 1 gank |
| 23:44.51 | NeoTron | that's the whole point of such a server type |
| 23:45.03 | Neuro_Medivh | exactly why I went back to pve |
| 23:45.11 | Syzgyn | Mmmm, new House in 20 min |
| 23:45.25 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't enjoy ganking someone 5-1, and I *definately* don't enjoy being ganked |
| 23:45.31 | Syzgyn | NeoTron: true world pvp is long dead |
| 23:45.52 | Syzgyn | I dont remember the last time I got ganked, let alone 5 against 1'd |
| 23:45.58 | Adys | err |
| 23:46.04 | Adys | why does this: /script SendChatMessage("test", "WHISPER", nil, GetUnitName("self")) |
| 23:46.12 | Adys | give me a "Missing target for whisper" error? |
| 23:46.14 | Neuro_Medivh | because self isn't valid |
| 23:46.16 | Neuro_Medivh | it's player |
| 23:46.20 | Adys | oh |
| 23:46.51 | Neuro_Medivh | GetUnitName uses player, target, targettarget, party1, etc etc |
| 23:47.08 | Adys | aye |
| 23:47.35 | Neuro_Medivh | http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId gives the valid arguments |
| 23:47.41 | Neuro_Medivh | in case you care =) |
| 23:47.41 | kd3 | though self would be a nice alternative UnitID for player... 'me''s even shorter, though |
| 23:48.15 | Adys | it's between accuracy and how short it is |
| 23:48.25 | Neuro_Medivh | local me = GetUnitName("player") |
| 23:48.26 | Adys | "MOSTBADASSPERSONONTHESERVER" is more accurate but longer, right? |
| 23:49.06 | Adys | Neuro_Medivh: Whats the difference between GetUnitName and UnitName()? |
| 23:50.14 | Adys | Oh found it |
| 23:50.17 | Adys | anyway thanks :) |
| 23:50.28 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe getunitname only returns name, not name and server |
| 23:50.45 | Arrowmaster | GetUnitName() is defined in the FrameXML |
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| 23:51.25 | Arrowmaster | i think depending on the 2nd arg it either returns "Name"/"Name (*)" or "Name"/"Name-Realm" |
| 23:51.44 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.47 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitName |
| 23:52.04 | Neuro_Medivh | wowwiki uber alles |
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| 23:59.04 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
| 23:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.blizzard.com/store/ |
| 23:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That 404 for anybody? |
| 23:59.31 | AbsoRayne | Yeah, 404 |
| 23:59.51 | End | it done gone poof! |
