| 00:00.07 | [Liquidor] | Together with Kungen an the Swede :P |
| 00:01.33 | Rabbitbunny | Man, I sould add those localizations then. |
| 00:02.07 | [Liquidor] | Well is it possible to force a locale other than a game client through AceLocale ? |
| 00:03.13 | [Liquidor] | Heh checkout this post: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5840284111&sid=1 |
| 00:04.21 | bleeter | hehe "Why do you want to leave us! Our bbqs are better!!" |
| 00:07.13 | bleeter | oh wow, I just noticed that 'do not throttle background download' is a synonym for 'reduce CPU usage on hash checks when you restart the download and we recheck existing data' |
| 00:07.48 | bleeter | or maybe it's just a synonym for 'make the hash check perform like a dog' |
| 00:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a global performance checkbox |
| 00:08.05 | bleeter | god, so not only is it badly worded the words aren't even accurate... loverly |
| 00:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | They're perfectly accurate |
| 00:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | "Don't throttle background download" |
| 00:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Vauge, but no inaccurate |
| 00:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | *not |
| 00:11.10 | bleeter | but it wasn't throttling the download, it was throttling the computation of the hash on the already downloaded stuffs |
| 00:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | hashing is part of the download |
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| 00:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't take that to mean simply 'the transfer of bits to my hard drive' but rather 'the entire process' and it's fine |
| 00:12.16 | bleeter | ok, could we agree to 'potentially misleading' rather than 'inaccurate', then? :P |
| 00:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not seeing how that's misleading, seeing as the hash is part of the download |
| 00:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I guess if you're clueless then it's misleading sure :) |
| 00:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 00:13.27 | bleeter | and what percentage of BLizz's users are clueless? |
| 00:13.30 | bleeter | ;) :P |
| 00:14.07 | bleeter | I'm sure it's certainly not something that 'grandma' would grok |
| 00:14.33 | End | don't bring aunt tillie into this either! |
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| 00:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the text below it |
| 00:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | "Will decrease system performance." |
| 00:15.21 | bleeter | you know I just hate that preference 'coz it's badly worded anyway and will take any opportunity to rubbish it :P |
| 00:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh |
| 00:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | This is where I step in and blame it on you being an aussie, right? |
| 00:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm new to this whole EU/Australian "hate" bit |
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| 00:16.44 | bleeter | no, this is where you agree with me that checking an option to disable a feature is poor UI design :P |
| 00:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious, how would you word it? |
| 00:18.48 | bleeter | reverse the check box state, and 'Throttle background download' |
| 00:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I can agree with the reversal of the state, that sucks |
| 00:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But that still says absolutely nothing about the hashing bit |
| 00:19.49 | bleeter | well s/download/performance/, and the explanatory line isn't needed at all :P |
| 00:23.12 | bleeter | note how restrained I've been in not criticizing the redundancy in the second preference? ;) |
| 00:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 00:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | All I really know and care is that I downloaded that entire bit in 78 seconds |
| 00:26.48 | bleeter | haha http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679913876&sid=2000&pageNo=2#23 |
| 00:30.17 | Sixen | *sigh*@821MB patch |
| 00:30.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: that's the thing I downloaded in 78 seconds :D |
| 00:30.34 | Sixen | o_o |
| 00:30.35 | Sixen | nowai |
| 00:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | True story, I can do it again if you don't believe me |
| 00:30.47 | Sixen | "About 5 hours" for me left. |
| 00:32.29 | alestane | Forums kinda fluky for anyone else? |
| 00:33.25 | bleeter | alestane: off and on, aye |
| 00:42.16 | wereHamster | is it just me or does the wow forums software suck? |
| 00:42.38 | wereHamster | tried to preview my post, and all I got is this: ???wow.web.forums.error500.message??? |
| 00:48.42 | Aiiane | 500 = Internal Server Error, standard http code |
| 00:48.50 | Aiiane | means something borked serverside |
| 00:50.34 | wereHamster | I logged in, went to reply to a thread. Wrote for a while, then pressed 'Preview'. Boom: Session timed out, needed to re-enter username/password. Did that, pressed Preview again, and now I got the 500. |
| 00:53.02 | bleeter | as alestane and I indicated 20 mins ago, forums are being flunky atm |
| 00:53.13 | wereHamster | EU as well? |
| 00:53.37 | bleeter | oh, well.. tbh, no idea which forums alestane or you were referring to. I was referring to US. |
| 00:53.54 | bleeter | so maybe they're doing some mass upgrade foo, in which case.. yeah not suprised it's being flunky |
| 00:58.11 | bleeter | ahhh, that's the change |
| 00:58.29 | bleeter | there's a nice warning on your avatar selector now if you're logged in to your beta forum post when about to post to live forum |
| 00:58.53 | bleeter | "The account you are logged in with is not able to post on this forum. Please log out and select a different account if you want to post. " |
| 01:00.46 | Dewin | Has anybody ever had issues with the raid tab not showing anybody? |
| 01:01.10 | Lopeppeppy | Live or beta? |
| 01:01.21 | Dewin | Live |
| 01:01.33 | Dewin | usually it fixes itself if I close it, wait a few minutes and retry... it's not working now |
| 01:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Usually a /reloadui would clear it. Not sure why. |
| 01:13.11 | Shirik | I'll reload your UI |
| 01:14.55 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: something is tainting your raidframe |
| 01:15.35 | Arrowmaster | likely a font changer or class color changer |
| 01:16.18 | Dewin | Odd then |
| 01:16.26 | Dewin | I wish there was a way to figure out what it is and fix it |
| 01:16.32 | Dewin | I don't have any addons that should even look at it |
| 01:16.47 | Dewin | I've also had it show names but not draw properly |
| 01:21.39 | smcn | hmmm |
| 01:22.01 | smcn | blizzard accounts screwed up? |
| 01:22.11 | smcn | or login server screwed up, whatever |
| 01:23.24 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: doesnt matter if an addon should be messing with the raid tab or not, it can still taint it |
| 01:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* i fail at spore |
| 01:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I was trying to make something (vaguely) resembling the enterprise for the spaceship. |
| 01:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i.. made it backwards. |
| 01:41.45 | Syzgyn | Weee a 2nd beta key |
| 01:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | ... backward? |
| 01:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: yeah, so the saucer section was in the 'back' and the nacelles were in 'front'. Course, I couldn't tell which end was which when i was making it. |
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| 01:48.33 | |Jelly| | 1,321,851,888 305,097,000lol |
| 01:54.50 | Corrodias | i am... at a loss as to what to do tonight for entertainment |
| 01:55.07 | Corrodias | is spore a fabulous and enchanting game? |
| 01:55.16 | NightHawkTheSane | eh. its alright |
| 01:56.11 | NightHawkTheSane | if you like designing creatures/vehicals/buildings/spaceships in a mediocre editor, you'd probably love it. that's about half the game right there |
| 01:57.04 | Corrodias | god no, i just spent the last couple of days playing around with "customization" stuff in porn games |
| 01:59.38 | Corrodias | i'll probably play more FEAR, despite my decent memory of its plot that checks logic at the door |
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| 02:02.38 | bleeter | Cairenn: ping |
| 02:02.49 | Cairenn | bleeter: pong |
| 02:03.06 | bleeter | Cairenn: Magelo just turned up on CSF, seems EU have 'responded', and US GMs are referencing that response http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658145868&postId=98787289843&sid=1#4 |
| 02:03.18 | Cairenn | indeed? |
| 02:03.33 | bleeter | EU seems to say 'don't' |
| 02:03.34 | Cairenn | reading now |
| 02:03.53 | bleeter | "Whilst at some point this was named on the Community News pages of our Homepage, this was quickly removed as we will not encourage or endorse what is potentially a tool that will be picked up by our Anti-Cheat mechanisms and violate the Terms of Use. " |
| 02:03.57 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 02:04.00 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 02:05.08 | ScytheBlade1 | WIN |
| 02:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | A RESPONSE YAY |
| 02:05.44 | bleeter | Cairenn: np mate :) |
| 02:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | The Magelo Sync client is used to sync your character in-game. Additionally, Magelo Sync will push relevant content information to you while you you play. Currently information about the following will be provided: |
| 02:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | -Your current quests |
| 02:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | wat. |
| 02:07.25 | ScytheBlade1 | -Your current target |
| 02:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | -Your current zone |
| 02:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's uh |
| 02:08.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for crossing lines! |
| 02:08.25 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* Yup, that's pretty much the old discussion, dear. |
| 02:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Last I heard it only did gear and spec |
| 02:08.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Zone, target, and quest log is all new (to me) |
| 02:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no... no no non. |
| 02:08.57 | Lopeppeppy | It will wash your socks if you invite it home, dear. |
| 02:09.05 | bleeter | I'm waiting for their client to be trojanned and then all the QQ about comprimised accounts etc. |
| 02:09.09 | Sixen | bleeter = Kantankerus ? |
| 02:09.15 | bleeter | Sixen: NEVAH! |
| 02:09.21 | Sixen | wai? |
| 02:09.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: for whatever reason, that line of yours made me laugh far more than it should have in this migraine induced "hey it hurts" state |
| 02:09.55 | Sixen | I guess that explains why you hangout in #wowcsf... |
| 02:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly because I remembered what you feel of socks. ;) |
| 02:10.13 | Lopeppeppy | Wow... nice memory you've got, ScytheBlade1. *nod* |
| 02:10.19 | Lopeppeppy | And if you have a migraine, go to bed. |
| 02:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't |
| 02:10.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying to kill it to get homework done |
| 02:10.36 | Lopeppeppy | Is it working? |
| 02:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Slowly, I think. Have a little handheld neck massaging device, vibration + heat |
| 02:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | + drugs |
| 02:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | .. + entertaining lines in IRC |
| 02:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad to contribute to the medicinal value of your evening. |
| 02:11.32 | Sixen | Peppy doesn't like wearing socks? |
| 02:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | She HATES them. |
| 02:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 02:11.55 | Sixen | ic |
| 02:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Socks are made of sour and satan as far as she's concerned |
| 02:12.08 | Lopeppeppy | And hate, don't forget the hate. |
| 02:12.11 | Sixen | Satan like Diablo? |
| 02:12.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And hate. |
| 02:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | mm... hate... |
| 02:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | Tastes like chicke |
| 02:12.59 | Lopeppeppy | *chicken |
| 02:13.33 | Corrodias | aw, this conversation is getting me all excited |
| 02:13.44 | Sixen | Hmph, ever why lots of things taste like Chicken? |
| 02:13.47 | Lopeppeppy | Go get some KFC then. |
| 02:13.55 | Sixen | Seriously, everything tastes like Chicken. |
| 02:14.02 | Corrodias | but not KFC |
| 02:14.05 | Sixen | Mmm, tastes like chicken! |
| 02:14.21 | Lopeppeppy | KFC tastes like grease |
| 02:14.27 | Sixen | Keke. |
| 02:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It does indeed |
| 02:15.27 | Sixen | Isn't Magelo just the WoWArmory? |
| 02:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen: In real time |
| 02:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | More or less |
| 02:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem being how it obtains the data |
| 02:15.45 | Sixen | Orly? |
| 02:15.51 | Sixen | I see. |
| 02:15.59 | bleeter | some packet sniffing involved. magelo have admitted as much, iirc |
| 02:16.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It reads it directly from memory and sends it directly to their servers |
| 02:16.14 | bleeter | or memory reading.. yeah |
| 02:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Packet sniffing is a whole lot of effort for zero gain over just reading the RAM :P |
| 02:16.50 | Sixen | Heh, if packetlogging were legal, we could make Chatter Bots. |
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| 02:17.15 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: true... my brains not with it today |
| 02:17.19 | bleeter | *less with it than usual |
| 02:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: more or less, if you click on a new target or change zones, it sends data outside of WoW automatically. That + reading RAM directly is where they broke the rules in doing their service. |
| 02:17.58 | bleeter | I suspect the whole fee thing and using Blizz's IP might've ticked Blizz of a bit, too |
| 02:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No, the fees would likely not be part of it |
| 02:18.18 | bleeter | *off |
| 02:18.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Read: for-profit addons |
| 02:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Read: fansit kit, using their IP |
| 02:18.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Read: ... almost every fansite out there using their IP |
| 02:19.07 | bleeter | yes, but as what they're doing is against the rules.. the fees they're collecting are ill-gotten as much as MDY's are/were, no? |
| 02:19.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I really couldn't answer that without knowing more of the specifics of Magelo (and glider) |
| 02:20.10 | bleeter | yeah, same really... I just see some similarities in the shadows |
| 02:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | It ain't right. It's like socks on a centipede. |
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| 02:22.37 | bleeter | god I hate waiting in hospitals.. so dull |
| 02:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: isn't that why it's SSL'd..? |
| 02:23.44 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: only for the login ... I'm gunna try stealing the session key cookie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidejack#Methods |
| 02:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | also, wow, Belfaire opened himself WIDE OPEN to an entire slew of jokes here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9879878043&sid=1#6 |
| 02:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Intentional? Yes, but... wow |
| 02:25.20 | Freki | sorry to interupt.. anyone who knows anything about regex? i fail at it... |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r .. ^|c%x+|H(.+)|h%[.+%] returns everything from |H to the |h... how can i get just "item" returned? |
| 02:25.38 | Adys | how so "item"? |
| 02:25.41 | Adys | you want just the id? |
| 02:25.46 | Freki | in other words whatever b/w |H and the first : |
| 02:25.50 | Corrodias | i want your mom's ID |
| 02:26.35 | Freki | i thought it'd be as simple as changing the |h in ^|c%x+|H(.+)|h%[.+%] to : but not quite apparently :P |
| 02:26.57 | Adys | Im note sure what you want returned |
| 02:27.04 | Adys | on that string, what exactly do you want? |
| 02:27.07 | Freki | item |
| 02:27.19 | Adys | the letters "item" ? |
| 02:27.25 | Freki | yes |
| 02:27.39 | Adys | ^(.+)item(.+) like that? |
| 02:27.40 | Freki | but sometimes it'l be something different... like spell:10812 or profession: etc |
| 02:27.48 | Adys | ohh i see |
| 02:28.07 | Freki | i wanna find what it is... item, spell, etc |
| 02:28.14 | Adys | ^|c%x+|H(%w+):(.+)|h%[.+%] |
| 02:28.19 | Adys | that one should work |
| 02:28.30 | Adys | first one returned is item, spell etc |
| 02:28.30 | Freki | sec tryin it real quick |
| 02:28.49 | Adys | only accepts letters, so if theres numbers in it (afaik there isnt) it wont return anything |
| 02:29.08 | Freki | works perfect, thanks! :D |
| 02:29.12 | Adys | np :) |
| 02:29.15 | Freki | god i wish i could figure out regex haha |
| 02:29.26 | Adys | if you only ever want that returned btw |
| 02:29.29 | Adys | you can make it quicker |
| 02:29.34 | Freki | yah |
| 02:30.19 | Adys | ^(.+)|H(%w+):(.+) |
| 02:30.29 | Adys | ^.+|H(%w+):.+ actually |
| 02:31.18 | Freki | awesome, i appreciate it |
| 02:31.39 | Adys | btw, anyone with the latest 2.4.3 EU who could md5sum the WoW.exe for me? |
| 02:36.29 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: sure does look to me like Blizz hand out the session cookie over HTTP :/ |
| 02:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/016139.html |
| 02:36.53 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: that's at least with a view on the forum sessions, ain't checkec acct mgt yet |
| 02:37.02 | bleeter | *s/view/login/ |
| 02:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: which means nothing considering that you have no idea what the session cookie contains, doesn't, is used for, isn't, or how it is validated |
| 02:37.22 | ScytheBlade1 | On your mark get set go! Answer those questions ;) |
| 02:37.53 | bleeter | oh, hang on.. no.. that's me sending the cookie back unsecured. the fault is not forcing the cookie up to Blizz on HTTPS |
| 02:38.04 | bleeter | true, I guess ;) |
| 02:38.17 | kd3 | huh, that's new |
| 02:38.31 | kd3 | "The account you are logged in with is not able to post on this forum. Please log out and select a different account if you want to post. " |
| 02:38.33 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, only Peppy Cookies are good for every application. Guaranteed no security flaws. |
| 02:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I'd like some Peppy cookies. |
| 02:38.52 | Lopeppeppy | You coming to Blizcon? |
| 02:38.53 | bleeter | kd3: there's also a spacer betweent the Biohazard and other functions |
| 02:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No. Something about money, schooling, and inability to obtain a hotel room. |
| 02:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly |
| 02:39.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... *hug* You'll get rumors of Peppy Cookies then, I should be baking for the community dinner. |
| 02:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, awesome |
| 02:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I expect pictures too |
| 02:40.04 | Lopeppeppy | I think someone is plotting to take them. *sigh* |
| 02:40.14 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn and I will hex that person mightily. *glares around* |
| 02:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You know |
| 02:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | A Cairenn hex isn't worth much |
| 02:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | See: her.. photos |
| 02:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU KNOW WHAT I SPEAK OF |
| 02:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | A Peppy hex might be new and exciting though. |
| 02:41.16 | Lopeppeppy | Chinese curse: May you live in exciting times. |
| 02:41.27 | Thunder_Child | a Cairenn hex isnt much because she never follows through on her promises |
| 02:41.33 | Lopeppeppy | I always, always do. |
| 02:41.44 | Lopeppeppy | If I promise to set your underwear on fire, mind the matches. |
| 02:41.45 | Sixen | Peppy Cookies... Yum. |
| 02:41.55 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, we shall see |
| 02:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | What cookies will you be making by chance? |
| 02:43.09 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: only because I'm expected to behave myself .... |
| 02:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't decided exactly yet, ScytheBlade1. My recipe combines pudding and chips, so the flavor combinations are endless. |
| 02:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh |
| 02:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | No one expects Peppy to behave. |
| 02:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:43.33 | Sixen | Not even Austin Powers? |
| 02:43.39 | Lopeppeppy | Austin Power is a wuss. |
| 02:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | For some reason I saw you spiking cookies... (once you said that last line) |
| 02:43.50 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, lies! |
| 02:43.53 | Sixen | Rum Balls! |
| 02:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Mixing it in with the choclate or something |
| 02:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | That would be chocolate abuse. |
| 02:44.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:43 <+Lopeppeppy> No one expects Peppy to behave. |
| 02:45.13 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe next time. |
| 02:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | School will likely be in session next time, though |
| 02:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to bed now! Dream of a good cookie combo for me to make. |
| 02:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | So probably not |
| 02:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 02:45.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Sleep well |
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| 02:47.03 | Thunder_Child | it should have caramel in it |
| 02:47.56 | Sixen | Ahaha, this Achievement is epic: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=1165 |
| 02:48.37 | Thunder_Child | i read "My Sack is "Gigantique"" and saw something quite different |
| 02:54.16 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: well, I just sidejacked my forum login.. next, acct management |
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| 02:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: from the same IP. Keep that in mind. |
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| 02:57.00 | bleeter | and? driveby unsecured wireless, and non-switched LANs? ... nevertheless, I'll go via Tor next time :P |
| 02:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | In the case of driveby unsecured wifi where this would actually be a problem, the person in question has a lot more to worry about than someone stealing their WoW session |
| 02:58.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have no clue as to why non-switched LANs matter in this context |
| 02:58.30 | Jamash | you would have to plug in to a non-switched lan to sniff packets |
| 02:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | OH |
| 02:58.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes indeed, okay, that makes sense |
| 02:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | aka 10mbit hubs, gotcha |
| 02:59.29 | bleeter | or just some fancy reader near the cable |
| 02:59.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi` (n=Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 02:59.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Bibi`] by ChanServ |
| 02:59.56 | bleeter | anyways, looks like accout management can't be sidejacked, website troubles notwithstandin |
| 03:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Some incredibly fancy reader stupidly close to the cable |
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| 03:01.18 | bleeter | iirc, the Aus Fed Police 'invented' digital wiretaps 'coz they asked the FBI for assistance in the 70's who said it couldn't be done |
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| 03:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It is 100% not fair at all to tell me to write a one-two page paper *after* telling me to answer all of these questions. |
| 03:04.39 | Tekkub | whee |
| 03:04.58 | Tekkub | me (druud) and a DK just 2-manned the bat bitch in ZG |
| 03:05.15 | Tekkub | took a long ass time, but now he's better at interrupting heals |
| 03:06.45 | Arrowmaster | going to do tiger next? |
| 03:07.26 | Tekkub | nah we just wanted to see if we could |
| 03:07.36 | Duman | beta is impossible |
| 03:07.38 | Tekkub | healing was actually really easy |
| 03:16.49 | NightHawkTheSane | wee, finally beat.. http://escape-game.com/dak_en.html |
| 03:17.28 | Diao | room 10 is.. weird |
| 03:17.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that was.. tricky |
| 03:19.40 | Thunder_Child | nothin like finding a decent game for cheap then realizing that the shipping is 3 times the cost |
| 03:20.30 | Thunder_Child | though if anyone is interested they can get sands of time for $.99 |
| 03:27.09 | smcn | well it was a good ride but it looks like the quality of the beta forums has been pushed over the edge with this last wave of invites |
| 03:33.53 | Cide | room 8 is... weird |
| 03:39.34 | Fogger | can the bgColour element of the SetBackdrop method be omited if using SetBackdropColor? |
| 03:39.44 | Fogger | oh nvm, I'll jsut test it :P |
| 03:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/sigh.png |
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| 03:48.13 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1. fail? |
| 03:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 03:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:51.18 | purl | somebody said scytheblade1 was now a high school graduate, apologies to any UVSC attendees who had their traffic backed up for >1h as a result, from Bingham's graduating class of 666, that graduated on 6/6/06 |
| 03:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol hahaha |
| 03:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That is SO OLD |
| 03:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, ScytheBlade1 is also http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/sigh.png |
| 03:51.37 | purl | okay, ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lock ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:51.46 | purl | ScytheBlade1: locking factoid scytheblade1 |
| 03:52.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I had forgotten about that tidbit of win |
| 03:53.18 | Thunder_Child | ~unlock ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:53.25 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 03:53.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ^_^ |
| 03:54.06 | Thunder_Child | ah, i got the answer in a PM, i was sad that it didnt even rate a response for a min there |
| 03:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:53 < ScytheBlade1> ^_^ |
| 03:55.20 | Thunder_Child | not from you ScytheBlade1, from purl |
| 03:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I know |
| 03:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But I also know what purl's response was |
| 03:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence the ^_^ |
| 03:57.01 | Thunder_Child | i'll get you yet you young whipersnapper |
| 03:57.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but a high school graduating class size of 666, graduation date of 6/6/06 |
| 03:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it really get any more awesome? |
| 03:57.46 | Thunder_Child | ys, yes it does |
| 03:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | How? |
| 03:57.59 | Thunder_Child | if the devil showed up to do the opening cerimonys |
| 03:58.07 | Thunder_Child | wow..i failed on that last word there |
| 03:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Our class president was a gay asian buddhist, he was also the one who gave the speech |
| 03:58.33 | Thunder_Child | ceremonies* |
| 03:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Note: I live in Utah |
| 03:59.07 | Thunder_Child | are you calling a gay asian buddhist a devil? |
| 03:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as some parents were concerned, he *was* the devil ;) |
| 03:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, he's actually a fantastic guy |
| 03:59.26 | Thunder_Child | pfft, then that doesnt count |
| 03:59.41 | Thunder_Child | though isnt june a bit late to do graduations? |
| 03:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | A bit yeah, but not too late |
| 04:09.22 | Fogger | Anyone got any tips on starting with Secure buttons in an lua only mod?, I know how to do them in xml. |
| 04:09.39 | MentalPower | you can't IIRC |
| 04:09.53 | Fogger | must be able to |
| 04:09.58 | Thunder_Child | ~lart MentalPower |
| 04:09.58 | purl | overclocks MentalPower until MentalPower burns out |
| 04:10.14 | Gngsk | fogger, the new ones in wotlk? |
| 04:10.27 | Fogger | Dominoes uses them, but the way he done his code, makes it difficult to learn from |
| 04:10.34 | MentalPower | hi Thunder_Child |
| 04:10.38 | Fogger | mmm, they changed much? |
| 04:10.56 | Gngsk | dunno, i don't have a beta key |
| 04:10.58 | Gngsk | was just wondering |
| 04:11.31 | Fogger | I just coincidentally chose the beta era to learan how to make add-ons :) |
| 04:11.57 | Gngsk | local b = CreateFrame("CheckButton", name, parent, "SecureActionButtonTemplate, ActionButtonTemplate") |
| 04:12.07 | Gngsk | something like that? then set the attributes |
| 04:12.14 | Fogger | ah, CheckButton, see thats what confused me |
| 04:12.24 | Fogger | isnt that an off/on thing? |
| 04:12.27 | Gngsk | yeah |
| 04:12.35 | Gngsk | at least, I think |
| 04:12.40 | Gngsk | haven't looked at this code in a while |
| 04:13.12 | Fogger | yeah, you've ripped that straight from Dominoes havent you? :) |
| 04:13.19 | Gngsk | nah |
| 04:13.23 | Gngsk | it's pretty generic |
| 04:13.27 | Gngsk | I don't even know what Dominoes is |
| 04:13.58 | Fogger | thats identical to dominoes chunk afaict, can I use that abbrev? :P |
| 04:13.59 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, ping |
| 04:14.05 | Gngsk | it's from a little addon I created for myself which makes a popup poison bar |
| 04:14.10 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 04:14.18 | Fogger | well, I'll try it, see what happens |
| 04:14.20 | Gngsk | but I'm sure I snagged the frame creation code from somewhere else, most likely oApplication |
| 04:14.35 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, your gallery is failing, it's taking me to the upgrader |
| 04:14.39 | Esamynn | I know |
| 04:14.42 | Esamynn | I'm upgrading it :P |
| 04:15.04 | Thunder_Child | i thought that was supposed to be secure? |
| 04:15.14 | Esamynn | you need a password to continue |
| 04:15.18 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 04:15.20 | Thunder_Child | ok then |
| 04:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. northrend's moved from 5 minute crash cycles to 30 second lag cycles? >< |
| 04:17.59 | Neuro_Medivh | blame the 2 million beta invites that went out last night |
| 04:18.00 | smcn | i think the lag might be the whole server |
| 04:18.06 | smcn | oh, unless you're talking about the server |
| 04:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | both. |
| 04:18.16 | kd3 | it's making doing the storm king's vengeance a little tough |
| 04:18.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i havn't been to the other continents |
| 04:18.27 | smcn | well, EK is lagging as well |
| 04:18.29 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: it's making doing.. well.. anything, a little tough |
| 04:19.30 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: fixed |
| 04:22.12 | Sixen | Anyone having issues isntalling the beta patch? |
| 04:22.18 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, indeed |
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| 04:22.40 | Sixen | oic |
| 04:25.01 | End | Sixen: I was |
| 04:25.14 | End | I downloaded the patch off of ScytheBlade1's site and it worked though |
| 04:25.27 | Sixen | Yeah |
| 04:25.35 | Sixen | Apparently it's an issue with the Blizz Account's. |
| 04:25.42 | Sixen | I logged in with my normal WoW Account to DL the patch and it worked. |
| 04:26.51 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, did no one take pics at disney? |
| 04:27.12 | Esamynn | yah, I was noticing that myself, there are some |
| 04:27.20 | Esamynn | but it was only 3 of us for most of the day iirc |
| 04:28.02 | Sixen | set realmlistbn "" |
| 04:28.02 | Sixen | set portal public-test |
| 04:28.06 | Sixen | What do those do? |
| 04:28.16 | Sixen | Aside from "Sets RealmListBN and Sets Portal." |
| 04:28.38 | Jamash | I assume BN is some NYI Battle.net integration |
| 04:31.43 | Sixen | Mmmm, glad I wasn't the only one thinking that ,=) |
| 04:33.32 | Arrowmaster | i think its already used |
| 04:33.49 | Arrowmaster | the realmlist.wtf doesnt seem to do anything anymore |
| 04:34.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I've known for some time that it doesn't do anything - I pointed it to my server and noticed that I still connected to beta |
| 04:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | (I kinda think that they're going to nail private servers this round) |
| 04:35.02 | Sixen | hm? |
| 04:35.12 | Sixen | Why's it there then? =O |
| 04:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Delete it, note that you can still connect |
| 04:35.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Couldn't tell you |
| 04:35.32 | Sixen | True.. |
| 04:35.51 | Sixen | Wanna do me a quick favor and tell me the Date on the bottom left-hand corner of the login screen for the new patch? |
| 04:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Would but I don't have it in front of me |
| 04:36.13 | Sixen | =/ |
| 04:36.52 | Jamash | I'll take a look |
| 04:37.20 | Jamash | Sep 8 2008 |
| 04:38.09 | Sixen | =D |
| 04:38.11 | Sixen | Thanks Jamash~ |
| 04:38.18 | Jamash | np |
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| 04:38.53 | WobWork | hehe mass "No Alt-Text" panic on xkcd today |
| 04:40.16 | End | haha |
| 04:40.23 | Thunder_Child | wow, failk |
| 04:40.28 | Thunder_Child | s/k// |
| 04:40.52 | WobWork | isn't that a tautology? |
| 04:41.04 | WobWork | esp if you're referring to the beta =) |
| 04:41.49 | WobWork | ... wowinsider's attempt at 'real-lifing' the ingame recipes |
| 04:41.55 | WobWork | never... ever look very palatable |
| 04:42.26 | WobWork | how can you fail at making baked salmon look nice? |
| 04:43.45 | Arrowmaster | Sixen: what realm you play on? |
| 04:43.52 | Thunder_Child | when you try to make it look like a simulated salmon |
| 04:43.53 | Sixen | Beta or Live? |
| 04:44.00 | Arrowmaster | live |
| 04:44.08 | Sixen | Blackdragon Flight for the most part. |
| 04:44.28 | Arrowmaster | theres a Sixen in my guild on Burning Legion |
| 04:44.41 | Sixen | Orly? I have the char name Sixen on Burning Legion. |
| 04:44.55 | Sixen | What is it? |
| 04:45.00 | Sixen | The class, I mean |
| 04:45.22 | Arrowmaster | mage |
| 04:45.28 | Sixen | oh hm |
| 04:45.43 | Arrowmaster | you on eu? |
| 04:45.48 | Sixen | Oooh, no, US, :(. |
| 04:45.51 | Arrowmaster | im on us |
| 04:45.54 | Sixen | =O |
| 04:46.01 | Sixen | now you've got me wondering, one sec. |
| 04:46.27 | Sixen | Oh no, Burning Blade.. And *sigh* at someone using my name. |
| 04:46.29 | cog|away | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=sixen&searchType=all |
| 04:46.39 | cog|away | lots of someones :P |
| 04:46.45 | Sixen | :( |
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| 04:48.07 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:48.14 | WobWork | my current main has a unique name |
| 04:48.22 | WobWork | due to abuse of umlauts |
| 04:48.34 | WobWork | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Fürphy&searchType=characters |
| 04:48.34 | Sixen | Ahaha |
| 04:48.59 | kd3 | heh, kd3 is unique too |
| 04:49.38 | WobWork | Apparently I was one of the first Rikitikitavi's |
| 04:49.59 | WobWork | uniqueness is a hard act to follow with so many subscribers =P |
| 04:50.40 | bleeter | my old main's unique, 'coz I had to change his spelling when moving to RP |
| 04:51.02 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:51.07 | bleeter | there's also a hell of a lot more Kantankerus' getting around these days than when I created the original |
| 04:51.09 | WobWork | someone had taken Ruxpin for a bank alt |
| 04:51.26 | bleeter | lame |
| 04:51.35 | WobWork | So I changed to Furphy |
| 04:51.49 | WobWork | Previous choice also was Shenanigans |
| 04:51.53 | WobWork | but that was taken too =( |
| 04:52.13 | WobWork | oh and RootBear |
| 04:52.20 | WobWork | but that would have been taken pretty early on |
| 04:54.08 | bleeter | kd3: another forum change there's a forum CoC prompt at the bottom of the Post window (dunno if we mentioned that before) |
| 04:54.23 | kd3 | ya, saw that when making a post |
| 04:54.26 | bleeter | not prompt as in a button to click, just a big box with lots of warnings and foo in it |
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| 04:54.45 | bleeter | it's good, 'coz people forget what they agreed to when they originally set the cookie |
| 04:54.54 | bleeter | where forget is a synonym for 'don't bother reading' |
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| 04:55.56 | Fogger | bah, I have no idea where to start with making secure buttons in lua. :( |
| 04:56.59 | cogwheel | !api CreateFrame |
| 04:56.59 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'CreateFrame' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame |
| 04:57.11 | cogwheel | that's where ;) |
| 04:57.32 | Fogger | I have created a frame: local hb = CreateFrame("CheckButton", hearthButton, f, "SecureActionButtonTemplate, ActionButtonTemplate") |
| 04:58.11 | Fogger | CheckButton, is that for real? |
| 04:58.19 | Fogger | if I want a Hearth button? |
| 04:58.23 | cogwheel | willy ou be using action slots or your own custom spell/item/etc? |
| 04:58.36 | Fogger | it will use the Hearthstone |
| 04:58.37 | cogwheel | yes, it sohuld be a checkbutton |
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| 04:58.55 | Fogger | I have made this mod successfully in xml/lua |
| 04:59.12 | Fogger | moving to lua only is harder than I thought |
| 04:59.20 | cogwheel | it shouldn't be... ? |
| 04:59.21 | Fogger | oh actually |
| 04:59.30 | Arrowmaster | then your doing it wrong |
| 04:59.37 | Fogger | doesnt the xml just use script anyway to set attributes? |
| 05:00.08 | cogwheel | except for virtual="true", all the XML tags and attributes have equivalent APIs/frame methods |
| 05:00.15 | Fogger | self:SetAttribute("unit", "none") etc |
| 05:00.44 | Fogger | oh k, I just needed a slap, thanks, I'll see if this works |
| 05:00.54 | cogwheel | ~slap Fogger |
| 05:00.54 | purl | ACTION slaps Fogger, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 05:00.57 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 05:02.31 | Thunder_Child | ~glare cogwheel |
| 05:02.31 | purl | ACTION glares at cogwheel |
| 05:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: I'm a little disappointed that no one expanded on my CogwheelAPI :( |
| 05:02.49 | Fogger | dare I ask how to add cooldown to it? :P |
| 05:03.13 | cogwheel | Fogger: ActionButtonTemplate has a cooldown object built-in |
| 05:03.27 | cogwheel | take a look at the default UI's code for ActionBarButtonTemplate to see how it's used |
| 05:04.43 | Fogger | I figured the blizz official code would use xml but now since I already established that isnt a problem, thanks :) |
| 05:05.03 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: better? |
| 05:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:05.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Well played |
| 05:05.39 | cogwheel | Fogger: well, the template you inherited was defined in xml, but the code that controls it is all Lua |
| 05:09.11 | Thunder_Child | i think we need richard dean anderson as host for this years blizzcon |
| 05:09.28 | Fogger | signed.. |
| 05:10.05 | cogwheel | damn u Thunder_Child ... now the macgyver theme is stuck in my head |
| 05:10.19 | Thunder_Child | thats what i am watching now |
| 05:11.00 | Thunder_Child | besides cogwheel, it's worth it |
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| 05:13.50 | WobWork | argh |
| 05:14.07 | bleeter | eeek |
| 05:14.10 | WobWork | duhn duhn duhn duhn duhn daaah duh na naaa |
| 05:14.20 | WobWork | Now it's stuck in my head too =( |
| 05:15.05 | cogwheel | damn u WobWork i spit on my monitor |
| 05:15.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ... has anyone else tried violet hold? |
| 05:15.25 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxEq7dy3-Ok |
| 05:16.18 | WobWork | cogwheel: http://60gp.ovh.net/~cleanyou/ |
| 05:16.59 | cogwheel | WobWork: https://emp.ucsd.edu/swf/screenclean.swf |
| 05:17.38 | WobWork | kitty is cuter impo |
| 05:17.39 | Thunder_Child | there is one with boobies...which ofc wins |
| 05:17.41 | WobWork | imo |
| 05:17.42 | WobWork | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_problems_solved_by_MacGyver |
| 05:17.52 | WobWork | Good reading, that |
| 05:18.35 | cogwheel | aww http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=MacGyver&word2=Chuck+Norris |
| 05:19.21 | cogwheel | guess it makes sense though since all macgyver's feats are fictional ;) |
| 05:19.27 | Dewin | Is there a way to write a macro that acts based on whether you're in a party or not? |
| 05:19.49 | cogwheel | [group:raid] something; [group] other |
| 05:20.01 | cogwheel | or RTFS ;) |
| 05:20.22 | Dewin | I didn't recall seeing it any of the last times I read it, that's what happens when I rely on my faulty RAM :) |
| 05:20.47 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881820910#10 has a complete list of conditions. that one happens to be the last one on the list |
| 05:21.06 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, that saite doesnt work, putting the same seach in google returns different results |
| 05:21.07 | Dewin | I actually have that bookmarked |
| 05:21.08 | Dewin | heh |
| 05:21.08 | cogwheel | and don't get my wife started on my faulty ram ;) |
| 05:21.22 | WobWork | there are nasal delivery systems for that |
| 05:22.40 | Thunder_Child | we need AnduinLothar to dress up like arthas |
| 05:23.04 | Shirik | Uncrittable: 5.4%? |
| 05:23.39 | WobWork | wanting to fufil some fantasies, Thunder_Child? |
| 05:24.25 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, i was talking with someone about the dress up contest and i remembered that i think AnduinLothar had the hair for it |
| 05:24.39 | WobWork | I don't think I've seen a shot of AL |
| 05:25.28 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2007/Saturday/Dinner/IMG_1907.jpg.html |
| 05:28.27 | WobWork | wow at family resemblence with Clad and his brother |
| 05:29.32 | cogwheel | http://ctscreens.net/8381 |
| 05:29.36 | AnduinLothar | wait wut? |
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| 05:29.54 | AnduinLothar | nah i cut off 4 inches last week |
| 05:30.07 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail AnduinLothar |
| 05:30.08 | purl | AnduinLothar, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you AnduinLothar, you are that epic failure. |
| 05:30.38 | AnduinLothar | hey, when all the girls in your life say it would look better short... |
| 05:31.03 | Thunder_Child | just like they say size doesnt matter... |
| 05:31.32 | cogwheel | actually got some audible gasps in HS when i walked into class after cutting it short once :O |
| 05:31.39 | AnduinLothar | i enjoyed long. it's been long for like 4 years now |
| 05:32.08 | AnduinLothar | had a couple gf's who liked it long |
| 05:32.18 | AnduinLothar | tho it was long before i met them |
| 05:32.41 | WobWork | wow |
| 05:32.44 | WobWork | spring is really here |
| 05:32.53 | WobWork | of the year |
| 05:33.00 | AnduinLothar | iceblock? |
| 05:33.08 | Jamash | [Iceblock]? |
| 05:33.13 | WobWork | um |
| 05:33.26 | WobWork | popsicle? |
| 05:33.43 | Thunder_Child | ~dict iceblock |
| 05:33.43 | bleeter | I still like the pic of Iriel, Slouken and Cairenn. Iriel looks like he just discovered the reason why he shouldn't be there, and the other two look like they're tryin to find a way to get the hell outta there |
| 05:33.51 | AnduinLothar | oh i'f had popsicles in my freezer for a month |
| 05:33.53 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf iceblock |
| 05:34.03 | WobWork | ~wiki iceblock |
| 05:34.18 | WobWork | that's the one |
| 05:34.33 | Fogger | any ideas why this button doesnt show at all? http://pastey.net/95878 |
| 05:34.35 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i thought the expressions were rather amusing as well |
| 05:35.36 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, though Cairenn was taking pics of everyone for her phonebook |
| 05:35.41 | Thunder_Child | at that time |
| 05:36.05 | bleeter | nah, she's calling around the cab companies trying to get out ;) |
| 05:36.56 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, she didnt need to, they were hanging around the front. also i think she was in walking distance |
| 05:38.00 | Cairenn | always |
| 05:38.03 | bleeter | oh, see I wasn't there, so didn't know. must be looking for her ... what's that 'roman' thing called where you sit in a chair and the four guys carry you around... one of them |
| 05:38.37 | Cairenn | even the first year when I was staying at a hotel over a mile away, I was still within walking distance |
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| 05:39.43 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, a sedan chair |
| 05:39.45 | WobWork | bleeter: Litter |
| 05:40.01 | Cairenn | both |
| 05:40.03 | Cairenn | either |
| 05:40.13 | Thunder_Child | litter is for more than one person |
| 05:40.28 | WobWork | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_(vehicle) |
| 05:40.34 | bleeter | ah, well.. it'd be a little then. three of them trying to get the hell outta blizzcon |
| 05:40.36 | WobWork | Litter appears to be the classification |
| 05:40.38 | bleeter | *litter |
| 05:41.19 | bleeter | yeah, my brain was trying to think of lectica |
| 05:53.22 | Thunder_Child | i hope they dont mess up the schedule this year |
| 05:57.01 | Cairenn | yeah |
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| 06:02.55 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone know if Lunessa got out of town ok? |
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| 06:03.41 | Thunder_Child | someone else mentioned they had to evac as well |
| 06:03.54 | Tem | oh hell yes! |
| 06:03.58 | Tem | Depleted Badge! |
| 06:04.07 | AnduinLothar | grats |
| 06:04.32 | cogwheel | http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2007/Face/2007-08-04+at+21-37-16.jpg.html ... http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1675072512/tt0460627 |
| 06:04.49 | Thunder_Child | hahahaha |
| 06:06.48 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, I'm disappointed... Slouken looks nothing like a pirate |
| 06:07.09 | Thunder_Child | wait till he is wearing striped pants |
| 06:07.18 | WobWork | Tem: from a random mob or an elite? |
| 06:07.25 | Tem | Shartuul |
| 06:07.38 | Tem | it was my dirtiest kill in a long while... |
| 06:07.47 | Tem | I forgot to set up my bars before hand |
| 06:07.58 | Tem | still didn't need any charged foci, though :) |
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| 06:08.46 | Thunder_Child | actualy, i am not sure why iriel didnt take a pic of slouken as well. |
| 06:09.25 | Thunder_Child | last years blizzcon pics |
| 06:09.37 | Pytlask | oh? |
| 06:10.08 | Thunder_Child | ...is that really a question? |
| 06:10.16 | Pytlask | maybe? |
| 06:11.45 | Tem | oh man that line is awesome |
| 06:11.59 | Tem | blah blah blah, comprende? |
| 06:12.11 | Tem | >everything but 'comprende' |
| 06:12.16 | Neuro_Medivh | there's one pic of slouken and ireil |
| 06:12.28 | Neuro_Medivh | and iriel looks very SRS! |
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| 06:56.57 | Thunder_Child | ~bored |
| 06:56.58 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 06:58.46 | Tekkub | good news everbody! |
| 06:58.54 | Thunder_Child | lies and slander |
| 06:59.01 | End | casual slander |
| 06:59.18 | Thunder_Child | does it matter what kind of slander? |
| 06:59.25 | End | yes |
| 06:59.29 | End | serious slander is serious |
| 06:59.40 | Jamash | hilarious slander is hilarious |
| 06:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | slander? i hardly know her! |
| 07:00.12 | Tekkub | <-- parge hardon collider |
| 07:00.15 | Tekkub | s/p/l/ |
| 07:04.11 | WobWork | I guess the particles you get from -that- exercise are kinda sticky |
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| 07:31.44 | Thunder_Child | "are you in an aluminum suit?" "ya" are you in a spacecraft?" "ya" "are you in outerspace?" "ya" "are you daivd bowie?" "no" "then you must be an astronaut" |
| 07:39.28 | Mikk | oooh Blizzard Background Downloader is at work |
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| 07:44.14 | steev | 821mb of lovin |
| 07:44.25 | nevcairiel | 992 if you're EU |
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| 08:07.29 | Maldivia | morning Elkano |
| 08:08.08 | Elkano | morning |
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| 08:28.15 | Syzgyn | lol 'Dr. Terrible's "Building a Better Flesh Giant"' |
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| 10:06.51 | Ycarene | Anyone know of a good bag mod that works in woltk? |
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| 10:12.35 | nevcairiel | combuctor works |
| 10:20.56 | Fisker- | Onebag >:3 |
| 10:26.07 | Fisker- | nice |
| 10:26.09 | Fisker- | just got spam mail |
| 10:26.14 | Fisker- | "Are you as fucked as me" |
| 10:26.24 | Fisker- | I think i'm the only one that should be asking that question >:3 |
| 10:26.38 | Fisker- | unless they mean literally of course |
| 10:29.19 | Lyn | :p |
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| 10:35.06 | nevcairiel | There wouldnt be anyone here who learned inscription in Beta EU Alliance and has a high skill already? =P |
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| 10:36.37 | Fisker- | oh no you didn't Stanzilla |
| 10:36.42 | Stanzilla | I did |
| 10:36.47 | Fisker- | why nevcairiel ? >:3 |
| 10:36.52 | nevcairiel | I need some :P |
| 10:36.58 | Fisker- | reroll horde |
| 10:36.59 | nevcairiel | AH doesnt have the ones i want |
| 10:36.59 | [SW]Dodge | http://dodgex.servegame.com/arathi.jpg <- Alliace @ EPIC FAIL! |
| 10:37.11 | Fisker- | AH works again? |
| 10:37.20 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 10:37.37 | nevcairiel | [SW]Dodge: i would've said against a premade that happens, but horde is PUG too o.O |
| 10:38.11 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
| 10:38.24 | [SW]Dodge | after 12 min the second hordi died |
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| 10:41.46 | [SW]Dodge | final result: Horde wins after 14min with more than 60 kills against 2 kills |
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| 10:46.54 | Lyn | [SW]Dodge: where do you play? :p |
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| 10:47.13 | [SW]Dodge | i'm on sen'jin eu |
| 10:47.17 | Lyn | ok |
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| 11:19.04 | Fogger | can anyone think of a mod that shows a simple example of a SecureActionButton with Cooldown? |
| 11:20.08 | Fogger | I've got the button working, but I'm damned if I can figure out how to add visual Cooldown to it. |
| 11:22.16 | [dRaCo] | well, omniCC adds cooldown stuff to all kinds of buttons |
| 11:22.39 | Fogger | thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 12:29.56 | Shirik | What's "shop talk"? |
| 12:35.49 | Throngy | talking about work with colleagues when not at work |
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| 12:38.24 | Shirik | ah |
| 12:39.06 | `-FISKER_Q | Shirik |
| 12:39.09 | `-FISKER_Q | you ruined my life! |
| 12:39.28 | Shirik | I'm sorry sir I cannot communicate with you as my client does not correctly handle capitalized names |
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| 12:39.45 | Shirik | If you require my assistance, please obtain a normally formatted name so that I may assist you |
| 12:39.54 | Shirik | :D |
| 12:40.24 | Fisker- | should've changed when i ghosted the other nick |
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| 12:46.45 | JoshBorke | w |
| 12:48.58 | Fisker- | btw Shirik|AFK |
| 12:49.02 | Fisker- | l2betterclient |
| 12:50.45 | Shirik|AFK | It doesn't really do that obviously :P |
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| 15:03.07 | cogwheel | hai |Jelly| |
| 15:03.15 | |Jelly| | hai Cog. |
| 15:05.49 | p3lim | what args does GameTooltip:GetOwner() return? |
| 15:05.51 | AckisWork | I remember back in my C days you'd have a constants.h file and just include that in files... is that a good idea with LUA or not? (not talking about 1 or 2, talking about 40-50 constants used in multiple files) |
| 15:06.01 | krka | AckisWork: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? |
| 15:06.37 | kneeki | AckisWork: I don't think it would hurt anything. |
| 15:06.51 | AckisWork | krka: bah I'm sick :P |
| 15:08.04 | cogwheel | p3lim: when you show a gametooltip object you set its owner to a frame |
| 15:08.11 | p3lim | yep |
| 15:08.13 | Bibi | for one free cookie, anyone can tell me how to get rid of the height/width limit of the chat frame ? |
| 15:08.14 | cogwheel | GetOwner tells you what it's set to |
| 15:08.17 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.30 | p3lim | GameTooltip:SetOwner(self, 'ANCHOR_BOTTOMLEFT', 0, 5) |
| 15:08.42 | cogwheel | it should return the value of self in that case |
| 15:08.45 | p3lim | 5 is y, I want some function to get that y value |
| 15:09.02 | krka | AckisWork: you'd have to make a parser in lua that can read c header files though |
| 15:09.03 | cogwheel | oh, i think that just acts the same way as SetPoint |
| 15:09.11 | p3lim | ah ok |
| 15:09.14 | p3lim | ill try, thanks cog |
| 15:09.54 | cogwheel | AckisWork: I usually create a global table in one file to take care of things like that |
| 15:10.03 | cogwheel | load it before all the files that use it |
| 15:10.47 | AckisWork | cogwheel: that's kind of what I was thinking, except making it non-global |
| 15:11.29 | cogwheel | how do you propose to share it between files then? ;) |
| 15:11.49 | AckisWork | either a function GetConstants or make it addon.foo |
| 15:12.28 | cogwheel | well that's still essentially the same thing... it's just hiding it under another layer of global... |
| 15:12.51 | cogwheel | either the function GetConstants is global or the addon table is global... same diff imo ;) |
| 15:12.51 | krka | you could probably register it as a module and have it return the table |
| 15:13.02 | krka | no extra globals then :) |
| 15:13.11 | AckisWork | doesn't pollute the global namespace with addon.foo however :P I hate the concept of globals tbh |
| 15:13.21 | krka | is not "addon" a global? |
| 15:13.35 | Slakah | I would hope so |
| 15:13.54 | cogwheel | globals are fine as long as you don't do stupid things with them... |
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| 15:14.20 | AckisWork | cogwheel: yet the first thing they teach you in CS is to not use globals :P |
| 15:14.41 | zenzelezz | that's just someone's opinion |
| 15:14.46 | zenzelezz | you can find the same about any subject |
| 15:15.04 | zenzelezz | static variables, prepending member variable names with m_, etc |
| 15:16.18 | AckisWork | I recently rewrote ARL to take the global tables out of the equation and it makes readability substantially easier tbh, probably at a minor performance loss however which I'll reevaluate once I get a large database structure in place |
| 15:16.24 | Yssaril | anyone know of good sample to look at to make strings save to transmit via addon channels? |
| 15:17.09 | cogwheel | my point is that if avoiding globals adds unnecessary complication, there's no reason to complicate things... |
| 15:17.09 | zenzelezz | AckisWork: sure, it can be a lot more readable, but it's not guaranteed, and it's also not a reason to say "you shouldn't" |
| 15:17.09 | wereHamster | Yssaril: what do you mean by 'safe to transmit'? |
| 15:17.36 | Yssaril | remove any "\000" and replace them with something and then undo it at the other end (unless i missed somethin and you can send "\000" now |
| 15:17.38 | cogwheel | some people are overly-obsessed with not "polluting" the global namespace when they wouldn't be "polluting" it even if they used the globals they were thinking about using |
| 15:18.15 | wereHamster | Yssaril: do you need that? have you checked? |
| 15:18.18 | cogwheel | anyway... work time... |
| 15:18.21 | kneeki | MyAddon_Events, MyAddon_OnLoads, MyAddon_StupidStuff, MyAddon_MoreStuff |
| 15:18.32 | AckisWork | cogwheel: I'm just obsessed with following good coding practices and my first CS assignment I lost 2 points out of a 100 for using a couple globals because I didn't know what they were then... so I only got 98% :P lol |
| 15:18.33 | wereHamster | lua strings aren't zero terminated, so I'd expect WoW to transmit the whole string |
| 15:18.42 | Drundia | people like to do it so that other people would have to work through ass to make addon modifying their addon functionality |
| 15:18.56 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, malreth, how's your areas of Texas holding up? |
| 15:19.06 | zenzelezz | "good coding practices", by and large, are just someone's opinion that have been carried on without question because people assumed the author was right |
| 15:19.09 | krka | wereHamster: yes, i think lua strings are zero terminated |
| 15:19.10 | Yssaril | were am using libCompress (found over at wowace) and its return does not gurantee the "\000" willl not be in it so i need to make sure myself |
| 15:19.18 | krka | i.e. there is a \0 at the end of the string |
| 15:19.29 | wereHamster | lua> #"arst\000arst" |
| 15:19.29 | lua_bot | wereHamster: 9 |
| 15:19.39 | wereHamster | no, doesn't seem so |
| 15:19.39 | krka | however, lua strings also keep a count of string length |
| 15:19.45 | krka | that doesn't prove anything |
| 15:20.02 | AckisWork | zenzelezz: I would agree if I was hearing that from joe blow, but when it's an accredited post-secondary institution the "opinion" carries weight :P |
| 15:20.03 | krka | maybe we aren't talking about the same thing |
| 15:20.11 | krka | in the lua implementation, the last character in a string is \0 |
| 15:20.13 | wereHamster | ok. I'd still expect wow to transmit #str and not strlen(str) |
| 15:20.28 | krka | this for compatibility with c |
| 15:20.35 | zenzelezz | AckisWork: I don't expect you to see it my way =) |
| 15:20.42 | krka | since you can do lua_tostring(stack_index) to get a pointer to the stringdata |
| 15:21.56 | wereHamster | I'd also consider WoW broken if SendAddonChannel("\000 my message") would arrive as an empty string on the other side |
| 15:22.13 | Yssaril | wereHamster: except NULL (ASCII dec-ID 0) all characters (decimal ID 1-255) are allowed <-- from wowwiki |
| 15:22.27 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: just fine... Austin is hoping that we'll at least get some rain from Ike now |
| 15:22.58 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: current forecasts indicate we'll get about an inch of rain... a flippin inch... maybe not even that |
| 15:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | A little bit of water is good. |
| 15:23.16 | malreth | Ike is such a cocktease |
| 15:23.34 | wereHamster | Yssaril: oh, bummer. So pick a unicode character that's least likely to appear in any of your strings and replace \000 with it |
| 15:24.20 | wereHamster | For example for my addon I took a braille character as the prefix |
| 15:25.00 | Yssaril | hmm problem is since i am using compression any character might come out of it |
| 15:25.43 | wereHamster | well, then you can't solve your little problem (IMO) |
| 15:27.10 | Drundia | screw compression and do something like base64 |
| 15:27.52 | wereHamster | doesn't base64 inflate the data? I'd just transmit the data as-is (or rather, tostring(data)) |
| 15:28.22 | Drundia | and what tif you have zeros? |
| 15:28.35 | malreth | wereHamster: what kind of data are you compressing? |
| 15:28.38 | krka | maybe blizzard compresses text data anyway |
| 15:28.59 | wereHamster | zeros embedded in a string? I haven't seen any addon that would use that. |
| 15:29.00 | Drundia | you need some solutiton for zeros if you can potentially send them |
| 15:30.28 | wereHamster | replace with a braille character. Or pick an empty unicode codepoint |
| 15:30.42 | Duman | oh whoa |
| 15:30.47 | Duman | when did they reset char copies? |
| 15:30.48 | Duman | nice |
| 15:31.59 | Yssaril | ohh btw just tested it /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\000 my message") wont add anything to the chatwindow |
| 15:32.19 | alestane | The caht system is not friendly to embedded zeros. |
| 15:32.22 | alestane | chat* |
| 15:32.32 | Duman | nulls in strings can be evil |
| 15:32.44 | Duman | (given the underlying code) |
| 15:32.53 | wereHamster | Yssaril: does your addon use embedded zeros or is that just the result of your compression? |
| 15:32.56 | alestane | Lua itself is, but the chat servers and message frames assume they're string terminators AFAIK. since they're written in C++ |
| 15:33.09 | Yssaril | wereHamster: just the result |
| 15:33.18 | wereHamster | then don't do compression |
| 15:34.01 | Yssaril | guess for now that will have to do till i figure something out |
| 15:34.05 | Duman | base64 encode your compressed data ;) |
| 15:34.23 | cbreak | bloat! |
| 15:34.53 | krka | why the need to compress it in the first place? |
| 15:35.07 | cbreak | use a better compression algorithm then :) |
| 15:35.11 | krka | there's a good chance that some protocol on the way will compress it anyway |
| 15:35.11 | cbreak | or you can escape nulls |
| 15:36.16 | Yssaril | krka: cause the table could get rather large |
| 15:36.32 | wereHamster | you can't transmit it at once anyway |
| 15:37.39 | krka | if you're doing low level compression on the strings, you may as well let blizzard compress it on the way to tcp/ip |
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| 15:38.14 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 15:39.28 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. *hug* How's your slice of Texas holding up? |
| 15:40.14 | Lunessa | They called for mandatory evacuation yesterday at 9:30 am. I am no in Austin, awaiting the all clear on Sunday to go home. |
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| 15:41.52 | wereHamster | Lunessa: do you live near the coast? |
| 15:42.48 | Lunessa | wereHamster: My apartment is 2 small blocks from the gulf. I have to wash satl-spray off my car every other day. |
| 15:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
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| 15:49.33 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/09/funny-pictures-no/ |
| 15:49.43 | Lopeppeppy | Whee, I crashed my workserver again!! |
| 15:49.55 | alestane | ~seen Iriel |
| 15:49.57 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 13d 10h 38m 23s ago, saying: 'My bad if I didn't, sorry, i'll get around to it eventually i'm sure'. |
| 15:51.17 | zenzelezz | lies, Iriel was here a few days ago |
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| 15:55.35 | cog|work | Lunessa: how far towards houston did that evac order go? |
| 15:56.11 | cog|work | (sis-in-law isn't very good at keeping in touch...) |
| 15:56.26 | Lunessa | cog|work: Anything in the storm surge zone. So dickenson, clear lake, parts of pasadena, Alvin, etc. |
| 15:56.56 | Lunessa | She's pretty far north. She's almost certainly "shelter in place" |
| 15:57.17 | cog|work | still... |
| 15:57.20 | cog|work | /eep |
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| 15:57.42 | cog|work | of course, around here we don't exactly get warnings when the natural disasters are on their way ;) |
| 16:00.08 | malreth | Lunessa: my parents are now no longer coming up to visit |
| 16:00.17 | malreth | so i don't know what my plans are now for Sunday |
| 16:00.54 | Lunessa | Well, if you guys want to do something low-key, like movies or something I'm down. |
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| 16:01.21 | Lunessa | I'm totally hi-jacking my friend's computer to install the WoWBeta. I'm an addict. |
| 16:01.30 | malreth | haha! |
| 16:01.46 | Lunessa | She doesn't care.. she's in Nashville. :P |
| 16:02.15 | Lunessa | Of course.. it's telling me 8+ hours... |
| 16:04.18 | Fisker- | i'm on my way cog|work >:3 |
| 16:09.21 | Lunessa | Facebook and Google ad matching software somehow estimates too much about my life. All they every show me are ads for "Meet single women in your area now!" |
| 16:12.16 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa-love, I get those too. For women. |
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| 16:12.53 | Lunessa | Heh... Well, then I'll stop feeling quite so bad. |
| 16:12.55 | Fisker- | i hate you Lopeppeppy |
| 16:12.57 | alestane | Spambots don't know who has a penis and who doesn't...they just assume you want it to be larger. |
| 16:13.14 | Lopeppeppy | Gee thanks, Fisker-. I'll put that someplace, and when your opinion matters, I'll burn it. |
| 16:13.32 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 16:13.38 | Lunessa | alestane: ... brilliant |
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| 16:14.34 | Lunessa | And... the mouse just died. WHY, WHY, WHY do people love wireless devices so much? They seem to be nothing but hassle. |
| 16:15.38 | Duman | heh |
| 16:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | I love mine, never have issues, unless I totally break the thing. |
| 16:15.58 | Duman | I've always stuck to wired |
| 16:16.19 | Lunessa | Good thing I could find new batteries. |
| 16:16.33 | Duman | and the MS intellimouse... mainly because I have friends that work at MS, so i get them for $25 |
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| 16:17.08 | Fisker- | Logitech G5 = winrar |
| 16:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | Logitech rules |
| 16:17.52 | Lunessa | I use a logitech trackman wheel. I don't use normal mice unless forced to. |
| 16:18.21 | Lunessa | Check out this photo. I was just at this beach on Saturday... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26637482 |
| 16:18.46 | ShaneSveller | I love my G5, and I use a G15 keyboard solely for the LCD, it's nothing to write home about otherwise |
| 16:20.41 | Lunessa | No one else is really making much in the way of trackballs anymore, and so I'm more or less stuck with logitech as a brand. If someone made a trackball with a bunch of programmable buttons I would buy them in bulk. |
| 16:21.22 | AckisWork | if anyone remember my topic about flags a week or so ago, I'm now at 110 flags that I check :( |
| 16:21.36 | AckisWork | I would love a G15 if they had an ergonomic one :( |
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| 16:22.44 | Lunessa | Ackis - sorting items/inventory management is a thankless task, always tied to the subjective desires of the sorter. You're going to get asked for even more flags once you release your new version. :( |
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| 16:23.06 | AckisWork | Lunessa: I don't think there are any more flags to add lol |
| 16:23.26 | Lunessa | Heh, someone will think of /something/. |
| 16:23.40 | AckisWork | bastards! |
| 16:24.18 | ShaneSveller | does anyone know of an addon-control-panel addon like rMCP or ACP that works on beta servers? besides tekkub's ampere? |
| 16:24.29 | ShaneSveller | faux-scrollbox on those two is broken |
| 16:24.32 | cogwheel | ~poke cog|work |
| 16:24.33 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cog|work, pokes cog|work repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:25.06 | AckisWork | Lunessa: I know I'll get more added with LK factions, and I also added some padding space so I could add new types of flags (ie: BoA type items) |
| 16:25.40 | Lunessa | Cool |
| 16:26.46 | AckisWork | it's going to be a nightmare when I decide to rewrite the parser that checks for those flags *cries* |
| 16:27.07 | foxlit | Design issues, Ackis? |
| 16:27.17 | [SW]Dodge | are beta keys US/EU bound or can i use the same key for EU and US? (at least one of them) |
| 16:27.34 | haste | most likely bound |
| 16:28.00 | AckisWork | foxlit: right now it's a nice long if/else type function (when I wrote it I didn't know how to do case type statements) so it's going to require me to nuke it all and start from scratch |
| 16:28.25 | cbreak | case type statements? |
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| 16:29.09 | cbreak | I am nowadays using table lookup instead of flow control for parsing/handling when possible |
| 16:29.37 | AckisWork | cbreak: same thing, a case statement is essentially a look up table in lua, other languages have better support for it but htat's how you do it here |
| 16:29.41 | cbreak | table lookup appears to have a quite nice scaling with size |
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| 16:30.44 | foxlit | how does if/else scale with size? |
| 16:30.47 | cbreak | lua has a switch/case? |
| 16:31.05 | cbreak | if/else scales linearly I guess |
| 16:31.12 | Lunessa | http://ihasahotdog.com/2008/09/01/funny-dog-pictures-talkin-bout-willis/ |
| 16:31.13 | cbreak | table lookup scales constantly. I think |
| 16:31.21 | AckisWork | yes |
| 16:32.01 | wereHamster | AckisWork: http://lua-users.org/wiki/SwitchStatement |
| 16:32.12 | wereHamster | ... Lua lacks a C-style switch[1] statement. |
| 16:32.23 | foxlit | Ackis knows that, I think |
| 16:32.37 | foxlit | You likely wanted to inform cbreak :) |
| 16:33.20 | cbreak | looks like a hack. I just use tables directly for it :) |
| 16:33.53 | AckisWork | my answer was to the scaling, sorry... and yes there's no special switch statement just a way around doing it which makes life easier |
| 16:34.37 | foxlit | thing is, it's a hash look up versus comparisons |
| 16:34.38 | cbreak | some look really creative :) |
| 16:34.53 | foxlit | You might just win for most usual amounts of else/ branches if you compare |
| 16:35.49 | foxlit | Or you might not. Either way, both statement structures are nasty :) |
| 16:35.53 | cbreak | if you do if/else you can sort your handlers by expected occurence probability |
| 16:36.00 | AckisWork | foxlit: hash look up > 110 if/elses imo :P |
| 16:36.20 | foxlit | Key letter being o :) |
| 16:36.27 | alestane | I seem to remember that table lookup is actually VERY similar to a switch statement in terms of how it's implemented. |
| 16:36.52 | AckisWork | foxlit: it's a lot more readable, and I would assume somewhat more effecient |
| 16:37.17 | cbreak | If I remember correctly, switch in C is just a subtraction, an array lookup and a jump |
| 16:37.24 | cbreak | so very fast |
| 16:38.42 | foxlit | So apparently it takes an eternity for wow's client to recognize that it lost its server connection |
| 16:38.47 | foxlit | and Shattrah lifts are client-side. |
| 16:38.58 | Jamash | yup, same with zeppelins |
| 16:39.58 | foxlit | This is annoying -- I supposingly have an issue with disconnects, and I can't force those in any reliable manner :( |
| 16:40.14 | cbreak | I think all movement is client side |
| 16:40.25 | cbreak | which has some security implications |
| 16:40.46 | Jamash | yeah, that's why speed hacks and teleport hacks work |
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| 16:42.17 | foxlit | Hm, up to 5 minutes of hanging without throwing an error now |
| 16:47.49 | Lunessa | All movement and collision is handled client-side. Still,there's oversight. |
| 16:54.28 | kneeki | Hmm, am I overlooking the 'delete addon' button from WoWI? I cannot seem to find it anymore |
| 16:54.38 | kneeki | Well, by anymore I mean ever. =p |
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| 16:56.51 | Shirik | kneeki: There's no delete |
| 16:56.54 | Shirik | If you want, I can delete it |
| 16:57.03 | kneeki | Oh |
| 16:57.03 | Shirik | If it's yours, of course |
| 16:57.09 | kneeki | lol of course |
| 16:57.29 | kneeki | Well, I was going to go on a 'clean up' from some old addons which I have compiled into one central addon instead of them being all sepearte |
| 16:57.32 | kneeki | seperate* |
| 16:59.13 | Seerah | kneeki: they can be deleted or moved to the Outdated section |
| 16:59.38 | kneeki | Seerah: But I cannot delete them |
| 16:59.45 | Seerah | right |
| 16:59.47 | End | ... |
| 16:59.51 | kneeki | I guess moving them would be the best method. So I'm not bothering mods |
| 16:59.51 | Seerah | I didn't say you could :) |
| 16:59.56 | kneeki | =) |
| 16:59.57 | End | how the hell am I supposed to deal with a sparkling hare? |
| 17:00.02 | Seerah | it's the same either way :P |
| 17:00.08 | Seerah | we have to move them |
| 17:00.18 | kneeki | Oh |
| 17:00.20 | kneeki | Booooo |
| 17:00.26 | kneeki | Ah well |
| 17:01.08 | Seerah | all we have to know is what, and it takes 5 seconds |
| 17:01.37 | kneeki | Would it best best to PM, or ask in IRC? |
| 17:01.48 | Seerah | either/or |
| 17:01.53 | kneeki | I'm not ready yet, still some changes I need to make. |
| 17:01.56 | kneeki | Mmk, thanks :) |
| 17:02.09 | Lunessa | dropping out for a while. See you folks later. |
| 17:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, same |
| 17:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | We talked earlier though, he'll be fine |
| 17:05.21 | End | sure? |
| 17:05.32 | Lopeppeppy | He's out of the water and with friends, he'll be fine. Malreth is fine. |
| 17:05.34 | ScytheBlade1 | He'll be far away, and he's in an apartment :P |
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| 17:09.23 | malreth | stupid Ike ruined my birfday |
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| 17:09.34 | malreth | i think i'll go get a burrito now |
| 17:09.40 | Lopeppeppy | Happy birfdai, malreth |
| 17:09.43 | malreth | woot |
| 17:10.01 | malreth | yeah... it's all good tho |
| 17:10.21 | malreth | family will come up to visit in a couple weeks instead and we'll celebrate my mom's birthday |
| 17:10.41 | malreth | we'll slaughter 12 pounds of shrimp then |
| 17:11.33 | Lopeppeppy | I like 12 pounds of lobster better. |
| 17:11.59 | malreth | that's a lot of work |
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| 17:15.22 | Seerah | hubby said you may have shrimp on your lawn when you get home, malreth ;) |
| 17:16.49 | Seerah | kneeki: just approved Minimalisque. was thinking for your old files, that you should put a note in their description that says to download Minimalisque instead, but up to you. Just let us know when you want them taken care of |
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| 17:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | Malreth, it's worth it. I've tackled a 7 pound lobster with a hammer before. |
| 17:18.58 | Lopeppeppy | Fat Charlie in my turkey roasing pan. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/HotTS/FatCharlie002.jpg |
| 17:20.14 | malreth | Seerah: i can only hope |
| 17:20.37 | Seerah | wow he's huge! |
| 17:21.32 | Thunder_Child | uhh...what did i walk in on? |
| 17:21.46 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah... and tasty! |
| 17:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Except the tips of the claws and tail were rubbery... common in such large guys. He was $5 a pound. |
| 17:22.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: Lopeppeppy is a murderer. Check out Fat Charlie in her roasting pan. |
| 17:22.29 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is evil |
| 17:22.31 | Shirik | just in a good way |
| 17:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 17:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah too slow |
| 17:22.44 | TecnoBrat | has anyone heard about the mac client crashing with certain addons? |
| 17:22.47 | TecnoBrat | beta |
| 17:22.47 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, you forgot the part where I stabbed him between the eyes. :) |
| 17:22.50 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, shirik. |
| 17:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 17:23.09 | kneeki | Seerah: Thanks a lot! I was thinking of doing that also, and moving them to outdated sections |
| 17:23.09 | TecnoBrat | aparantly the wowhead looter addon is crashing the mac client, I can't test it / troubleshoot it |
| 17:23.25 | TecnoBrat | But wondering it anyone has heard about anything like this. |
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| 17:35.18 | Thunder_Child | hmm...if people want steaks, we should prolly go to mortons instead of tony romas |
| 17:35.48 | Lopeppeppy | steak is good |
| 17:36.15 | Thunder_Child | though there is prolyl a ~$40 price difference |
| 17:39.38 | Thunder_Child | though they do have some nice private dining rooms |
| 17:41.34 | Lopeppeppy | Privacy... |
| 17:42.10 | Thunder_Child | yes Lopeppeppy, so you can get drunk with lunessa and the only people that will see are the rest of us |
| 17:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | Nooo. I don't drink in mixed company. |
| 17:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | And I don't live in Texas either. |
| 17:42.42 | alestane | That is a serious lobster. |
| 17:42.49 | Thunder_Child | A. whats texas have to do with anything? |
| 17:42.50 | alestane | And shrimp, too. |
| 17:43.01 | Thunder_Child | B. lunessa isnt comming? |
| 17:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | alestane: It was a celebration dinner for our guild finishing MC a few years back. :) I should drag you up to Markeys someday, if you like seafood. |
| 17:43.45 | Lopeppeppy | Texas is where Lunessa is, I have no idea what he's doing right now. |
| 17:43.53 | Thunder_Child | evacuationg |
| 17:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | So he's not having steaks. |
| 17:44.01 | Thunder_Child | evacuating* |
| 17:44.08 | Thunder_Child | prolly not |
| 17:44.11 | alestane | I have seen a larger lobster, but I don't think they were gonna eat him. |
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| 17:44.46 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, i thought we was going to blizzcon, i guess i was mistaken |
| 17:44.50 | alestane | Maine actually have not only a minimum size regulation, but a maximum size limit, because bigger, larger lobsters are significantly better breeders. |
| 17:45.28 | Thunder_Child | s/we/he/ |
| 17:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Houston. He's headed to Houston. ;) |
| 17:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, as I recall, he is not. We've mourned that, between the two of us. |
| 17:47.03 | Thunder_Child | ah, i must have missed that |
| 17:47.12 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I saw the 20# blue one at the aquarium, he was lovely. |
| 17:47.15 | Lopeppeppy | But not for eatings, nopes. |
| 17:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, poor Lunessa. His apartment will quite literally take the worst of it |
| 17:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/151304.shtml?50wind120?large#contents |
| 17:49.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a big hurricane |
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| 17:51.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh boy. *crosses her fingers for Lunessa's home* |
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| 17:52.37 | Shadowed | Seerah: bingo |
| 17:53.01 | Shadowed | Tekkub's already done Ampere which replace the addon part, I'm going to do a performance thing to replace that |
| 17:53.03 | Seerah | huh? |
| 17:53.07 | Shadowed | OptionHouse! |
| 17:53.12 | Seerah | oh |
| 17:53.22 | Seerah | I wasn't sure! :P |
| 17:53.29 | Tekkub | picoFPS :P |
| 17:53.44 | Shadowed | picoFPS doesn't replace the performance panel, youe ven said that :p |
| 17:53.46 | Shadowed | even* |
| 17:53.53 | Seerah | I liked having it in OptionHouse - I could search/sort, etc |
| 17:54.07 | Seerah | so as long as it lets me sort, I'll be fine |
| 17:54.11 | Seerah | *search |
| 17:54.21 | Shadowed | Maybe if you ask Tekkub nicely he'll add it! |
| 17:54.33 | Seerah | and displays usage statistics for only those things in the search |
| 17:54.42 | Shadowed | yea the performance panel will do that |
| 17:54.54 | Shadowed | (I'll probably just rip out 99% of the code and toss it into a Blizzard thingy) |
| 17:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | For those of you who remember the legendary bow going to a rogue not long ago... http://penny-arcade.com/comic/http://penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 17:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, *http://penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 17:55.09 | Shadowed | Both don't work :P |
| 17:55.34 | Shadowed | hahaa |
| 17:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "PEW PEW!" |
| 17:55.44 | Seerah | lol |
| 17:56.17 | Shadowed | Tekkub: Would you add search for Ampere if I gave you a patch for it? |
| 17:56.28 | Seerah | <3 Shadowed |
| 17:56.40 | Tekkub | maybe :P |
| 17:57.09 | Tekkub | I really don't see much point to it |
| 17:57.23 | Shadowed | it's easier to find addons to enable when you can search, especially when you have a large list of addons |
| 17:57.30 | Tekkub | maybe "jump to letter" but there's really no point to full blown "search" |
| 17:57.31 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 17:57.37 | Shadowed | Jump to letter would work too |
| 17:58.13 | Shadowed | Search would be simpler thought wouldn't it? |
| 17:59.30 | malreth | nope |
| 18:00.02 | Shadowed | Well either way you're looking at filtering by something |
| 18:00.11 | Seerah | what if it didn't auto search as you type? |
| 18:00.26 | malreth | jump to letter doesn't filter the view |
| 18:00.56 | Shadowed | Either way, you're searching for the start of the letter you want, or you're filtering the names :p |
| 18:01.12 | Seerah | sometimes I use to to search for the middle/end of an addon name |
| 18:01.52 | Seerah | and those authors that insist on color-coding their addon titles don't fall in the list alphabetically |
| 18:02.02 | Shadowed | OptionHouse strips those! |
| 18:02.22 | Shadowed | oh wait just the ones at the end |
| 18:03.09 | Seerah | yeah, so those at the beginning still end up at the bottom of the list |
| 18:03.18 | Shadowed | Shoot the authors |
| 18:03.23 | Seerah | :) |
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| 18:15.52 | Dashkal | ooo, DK ghoul pets are permanent with master of ghouls now (while always true, they used to call that a bug) |
| 18:18.37 | kneeki | Nice! |
| 18:19.55 | foxlit | so, two hours later |
| 18:20.05 | foxlit | WoW client still hasn't detected that it's lost the server connection |
| 18:20.13 | Dashkal | Suddenly I'm tempted to try unholy again. Kind of a reverse hunter. |
| 18:20.25 | Dashkal | foxlit: Did you stay online after a server restart? |
| 18:20.35 | foxlit | No, I disabled my network connection |
| 18:20.46 | Dashkal | ahh. Had that happen to me once by ignoring the shutdown warning |
| 18:21.01 | kneeki | Grrr! |
| 18:21.15 | kneeki | I'm having a hell of a time figuring out the examples at the bottom of http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Spell_School |
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| 18:22.06 | kneeki | I'm getting the error: Cannot use '...' outside a vararg function near '...' |
| 18:22.18 | kneeki | From this line: HappyCoil:SetScript("OnEvent", function () HappyCoil:OnEvent(self, event, ...) end) |
| 18:23.03 | [SW]Dodge | s/function ()/function (...)/ |
| 18:23.05 | [SW]Dodge | try that :P |
| 18:23.48 | [SW]Dodge | @kneeki^^ |
| 18:23.57 | kneeki | That did away with that error |
| 18:24.02 | kneeki | Thanks much! |
| 18:24.19 | [SW]Dodge | :) |
| 18:25.07 | ArrowmasterClass | HappyCoil:SetScript("OnEvent", function (self, event, ...) HappyCoil:OnEvent(self, event, ...) end) |
| 18:25.08 | kneeki | Unfortunately 'local type = select(2, ...)' is still not working =\ |
| 18:25.45 | kneeki | ArrowmasterClass: Going to try that now |
| 18:26.26 | Seerah | Seerah's face is still scary looking on beta :( :( |
| 18:27.22 | kneeki | Arrowmaster: That did it! |
| 18:28.13 | [Liquidor] | zOMG world is going to into a Black Hole soon !1!1!!111!1!1 |
| 18:28.23 | kneeki | http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
| 18:28.38 | alestane | kneeki: Even better: HappyCoil:SetScript("OnEvent", HappyCoil.OnEvent) |
| 18:28.51 | Dashkal | [Liquidor]: What? Are they up to collision tests yet? |
| 18:28.53 | kneeki | alestane: Why is that better? |
| 18:29.03 | alestane | One less function call. |
| 18:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | So, my uni's wifi kicks you off if you burst 16MB downloaded in a few seconds. |
| 18:29.31 | kneeki | Do I leave my function name HappyCoil:OnEvent()? |
| 18:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.35 | alestane | So slightly higher performance. Otherwise you're creating a function whose only purpose is to call another function with the exact same arguments. |
| 18:29.44 | alestane | kneeki: Yes. |
| 18:30.11 | alestane | But only name it HappyCoil.OnEvent when you give it to the SetScript. |
| 18:30.26 | kneeki | Ah |
| 18:30.31 | kneeki | Mmk, I'll give that a shot |
| 18:30.47 | alestane | Your function definition doesn't read "function HappyCoil:OnEvent(self, event, ...)" does it? |
| 18:30.55 | kneeki | So if I'm ever going to call a function that's named MyAddon:XXX() I should do it with MyAddon.XXX ? |
| 18:31.03 | alestane | No. |
| 18:31.07 | kneeki | alestane: It might... |
| 18:31.25 | kneeki | I thought I needed to do that to pass the args? |
| 18:31.32 | alestane | If it's meant to be an object method, use : for calls and definitions, but . for references. |
| 18:31.49 | kneeki | hmm, ok |
| 18:32.06 | alestane | and "function Object:Method(args)" is a synonym for "function Object.Method(self, args)" |
| 18:32.38 | alestane | So if you use both the colon and the explicit self in the definition, your argument passing will be messed up. |
| 18:32.53 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 18:33.19 | kneeki | This is what it looks like now: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95923 |
| 18:33.26 | wereHamster | correction: "function Object:Method(args)" is a synonym for "function Object.Method(Object, args)" |
| 18:33.36 | wereHamster | oh, that was wrong |
| 18:33.38 | alestane | "function Object:Method(self, event, ...)" is just like writing "function Object.Method(self, self, event, ...)" |
| 18:33.56 | alestane | The double self will throw things off. |
| 18:33.57 | kneeki | Oh |
| 18:34.00 | kneeki | Yeah, I see |
| 18:34.29 | kneeki | So it should be changed to 'function HappyCoil:OnEvent()' then? |
| 18:34.49 | alestane | "function HappyCoil:OnEvent(event, ...)" |
| 18:35.00 | kneeki | Oh, just not specify self |
| 18:35.22 | alestane | The first parameter passed to the function will automatically be self, even though it's not written. That's what the colon means. |
| 18:35.24 | kneeki | should I not use 'self' in the SetScript() either? |
| 18:35.40 | alestane | Okay, bear with me a moment. |
| 18:35.47 | kneeki | I'm trying =( |
| 18:35.53 | alestane | Lua isn't actually an object-oriented language. |
| 18:36.08 | alestane | It just has some tricks to make it look like one. |
| 18:37.12 | alestane | You call a function and give it some parameters. |
| 18:37.20 | cbreak | aka "Syntactic Sugar" |
| 18:37.44 | alestane | You emulate object behavior by storing a function as a field in a table, and then passing that table as the first argument. |
| 18:38.13 | Thunder_Child | Note: This channel does not endorse eating or tasting any of the functions |
| 18:38.18 | Cide | pretty sure he doesn't understand anything of what you said |
| 18:38.25 | kneeki | I'm trying to, heh |
| 18:38.42 | kneeki | I didn't know all functions were stored in a table like that |
| 18:38.49 | cbreak | they aren't |
| 18:39.07 | cbreak | you can do it if you want, if you use colon notation |
| 18:39.22 | kneeki | Also, I thought that using the colon was to help not pollute the 'global namespace' or some such. |
| 18:39.28 | wereHamster | cbreak: technically, all functions are stored in a table, but let's not confuse kneeki too much ;) |
| 18:39.35 | alestane | HappyCoil:OnEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED", me, you, blah, bleep) is exactly the same as HappyCoil.OnEvent(HappyCoil, "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED", me, you, blah, bleep). |
| 18:39.38 | cbreak | yeah... I don't count _G |
| 18:39.55 | Cide | global namespace pollution is an invented problem |
| 18:40.07 | kneeki | alestane: Okay, I get that |
| 18:40.08 | Cide | i.e. it's not a real problem at all |
| 18:40.12 | cbreak | depends |
| 18:40.16 | kneeki | Cide: ... Oh =\ |
| 18:40.42 | ArrowmasterClass | btw dont use HappyCoil:SetScript("OnEvent", function () HappyCoil:OnEvent(event, ...) end) |
| 18:40.43 | cbreak | you can accidentialy overwrite globals of other addons or the game |
| 18:40.51 | ArrowmasterClass | er |
| 18:40.57 | alestane | Cide: It presumably has a slight impact on the time required to access globals, but that's the only reason I can think of to worry. |
| 18:41.09 | alestane | That and namespace collision. |
| 18:41.17 | ArrowmasterClass | i ment HappyCoil:SetScript("OnEvent", function (self, event, ...) HappyCoil:OnEvent(event, ...) end) |
| 18:41.45 | ArrowmasterClass | you can just use HappyCoil:SetScript("OnEvent", HappyCoil.OnEvent) |
| 18:41.48 | Cide | namespace collision is largely a non-issue |
| 18:41.52 | alestane | kneeki: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95924 will work. |
| 18:42.16 | cbreak | only if people use prefixes |
| 18:42.18 | Cide | I don't think it increases access time by any measurable amount unless we're talking (tens of) thousands of globals |
| 18:42.20 | cbreak | or similar |
| 18:42.24 | Cide | cbreak: of course people use prefixes |
| 18:42.25 | kneeki | alestane: You removed function (stuff) end) ? |
| 18:42.37 | cbreak | I've seen people not use them |
| 18:42.41 | kneeki | Damnit, I suck =\ |
| 18:42.43 | cbreak | they use global i, x and so on |
| 18:42.47 | wereHamster | the problem in the early days was that authors didn't declare variables as local and wondered why 'i' changed between OnUpdate or OnEvent .. |
| 18:42.50 | alestane | Yes. It's an extra wrapper. Eats memory and call time and gives you nothing. |
| 18:43.04 | foxlit | hey, openable items can now stack |
| 18:43.12 | Syzgyn | Clams stack! |
| 18:43.15 | alestane | STACKING CLAMS!!! |
| 18:43.23 | kneeki | alestane: In what instances would I use function(blah) end ? When I'm not calling another function? |
| 18:43.36 | kneeki | alestane: Like if I were to instead do all my work in the OnScript? |
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| 18:43.50 | alestane | kneeki: The what? |
| 18:43.54 | Esamynn | foxlit: old news |
| 18:44.02 | Esamynn | ;) |
| 18:44.44 | Syzgyn | kneeki: you mean doing OnScript, function() <insert code> end, instead of OnScript, function() otherFunction() end? |
| 18:44.50 | kneeki | alestane: Well, for example: 'SetScript("OnEvent", function () for i = 1, 4 do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(i) end end)' |
| 18:44.55 | Oregonbrdoa | ScytheBlade1, ping |
| 18:44.58 | kneeki | Syzgyn: exactly |
| 18:45.02 | alestane | Okay, that. yes, I do that all the time. |
| 18:45.08 | kneeki | Ah ok |
| 18:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Oregonbrdoa: pong |
| 18:45.16 | Syzgyn | It doesnt make a big difference |
| 18:45.17 | alestane | But not everyone considers it "best practice". |
| 18:45.44 | Syzgyn | If the only time that code is ever going to get executed is during that script, then sure |
| 18:45.57 | Oregonbrdoa | Tem sent me, he wants to know if you could let me snag those pulled patches if you still have them |
| 18:46.04 | kneeki | Syzgyn: Yeah |
| 18:46.06 | Syzgyn | if not though, a secondary function is better, more reused code. |
| 18:46.10 | alestane | But if you're going to do that, declare the arguments explicity: 'frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function (self, event, ...) doStuff end )' |
| 18:46.14 | ArrowmasterClass | i consider functions that do nothing but call other functions 'bad practice' |
| 18:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.15 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 18:46.45 | Syzgyn | Personally I find function() otherfunction() end to be cleaner |
| 18:46.52 | Syzgyn | I can keep my code out of my frame stuff |
| 18:46.58 | Oregonbrdoa | no sir |
| 18:47.21 | wereHamster | Syzgyn: why don't you pass otherfunction directly to SetScript? |
| 18:47.25 | Oregonbrdoa | 404 |
| 18:47.27 | Syzgyn | Or that |
| 18:47.32 | alestane | Syzgyn: Then why not just use SetScript(script, otherfunction) and save the wrapper? |
| 18:47.36 | cbreak | why not prefix_a = function (...) do stuff end; frame:SetScript("..", prefix_a);? |
| 18:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.47 | cbreak | I do that all the time, no wrapper and clean |
| 18:47.56 | TecnoBrat | Anyone done four horsemen on beta yet? |
| 18:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | No clue what I broke, but that URL works. |
| 18:47.59 | Oregonbrdoa | rawk on |
| 18:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Only have the last 3 up there, though |
| 18:48.38 | Oregonbrdoa | instructions? im not at tem's level haha |
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| 18:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Only have the last three beta patches there. You'll have to get any others yourself |
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| 18:49.53 | Oregonbrdoa | do i have to dl them in any order? |
| 18:50.14 | cbreak | installing is where order matters |
| 18:50.15 | alestane | kneeki: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95925 That's how I usually do it. |
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| 18:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got class starting in about 3 minutes, Oregonbrdoa. Download the three .exe's there and ask Tem what to do from there |
| 18:51.28 | kneeki | alestane: That seems to work great :) |
| 18:51.40 | Oregonbrdoa | thanks scy |
| 18:51.40 | kneeki | alestane: And, you taught me some stuff. Thanks a lot :D |
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| 18:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: you broke it, you bought it! |
| 18:52.24 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: ping? |
| 18:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 18:52.31 | alestane | Okay, here's one to break your brain if you haven't seen it yet, but it really helped me: all global variables are actually table keys. |
| 18:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Class in about... two minutes though |
| 18:52.42 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: still got the old patches for beta? |
| 18:52.52 | kneeki | alestane: table keys? |
| 18:52.56 | Tem | a friend of mine just got in and his internet connection is abysmally slow |
| 18:52.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: only the last three. From 3.0.1 --> 3.0.2 --> current |
| 18:53.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: /point @ Oregonbrdoa |
| 18:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 18:53.22 | Tem | those will help, at least |
| 18:53.32 | alestane | kneeki: all the global variables are stored in a semi-hidden table. The name of the variable is the key into the table. |
| 18:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Last three are all I keep around up there, sorry |
| 18:53.42 | Tem | at what build do your patches start, ScytheBlade1? |
| 18:53.42 | kneeki | alestane: Ah, yeah. I understand that |
| 18:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 14:47 < ScytheBlade1> Oregonbrdoa: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/ |
| 18:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Have to check for yourself. Class starting. |
| 18:54.12 | Tem | that's cool |
| 18:54.13 | Tem | thanks, ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:54.37 | Oregonbrdoa | whoa |
| 18:54.43 | Oregonbrdoa | its like a whole nother world in here |
| 18:54.58 | alestane | You can get that table at getfenv(1). So "someGlobalName" is actually the same as "getfenv(1).someglobalName" or getfenv(1)['someGlobalName']" |
| 18:55.03 | Oregonbrdoa | iv got 30289 and 30288 goin right now |
| 18:55.49 | Tem | oh! |
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| 18:55.53 | Tem | you're pretty far along, then |
| 18:57.26 | Shirik | [#] 14:55:38 [W To] <70:Grutargis>: 6666666666666666666666w |
| 18:57.29 | Shirik | I fail at lacerate |
| 18:57.56 | Dashkal | nice |
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| 19:01.05 | steezo | Is there an api function that returns the part of NPC's names like "Warrior Trainer"? |
| 19:01.28 | starlon | No, you have to do tooltip scanning |
| 19:01.28 | malreth | IsMushroomVendor() |
| 19:02.41 | steezo | starlon: do you know where i might find an exmaple of how to do that? |
| 19:03.46 | starlon | Dogtags |
| 19:04.01 | steezo | thanks |
| 19:06.24 | Syzgyn | Doesnt that count as a guild for the npc? |
| 19:06.34 | starlon | Yes |
| 19:07.17 | steezo | this didn't return anything though: /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetGuildInfo("target")) |
| 19:07.32 | Lunessa | malreth: isn't that API NPCWillGetYouHigh(); |
| 19:08.11 | Syzgyn | Too bad, guess you're stuck with tooltip scanning |
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| 19:14.49 | Lunessa | 811/MB of 1.88GB - 5 hours remaining - fail. |
| 19:17.27 | kd3 | eesh |
| 19:17.33 | kd3 | the server needs to take a dive to reset the lag |
| 19:18.58 | Duman | is it still hozed up? |
| 19:20.45 | kneeki | Hummm |
| 19:20.47 | kneeki | Weird! |
| 19:21.45 | kneeki | If I use 'local CurrentMod = MinimalisqueDB['HappyCoil']' and then change the variable MinimalisqueDB['HappyCoil']['Sound'], CurrentMod['Sound'] will not change, even after a reloadui |
| 19:22.47 | alestane | Well, keep in mind that when you reload the UI, it throws away all your old variables and runs everything from scratch. |
| 19:23.50 | kneeki | alestane: Hmm.. Well, I guess I cannot save myself another lookup like that |
| 19:23.52 | alestane | Also, given that CurrentMod is defined as a local, are you checking it from within your code, or using a script? |
| 19:24.04 | kneeki | Checking from code |
| 19:24.30 | alestane | Then make sure the code in question is in a place where it will know about the CurrentMod local. |
| 19:24.38 | kneeki | It is |
| 19:24.49 | [Liquidor] | Pastey it |
| 19:24.54 | kneeki | the local CurrentMod is being set right when the addon loads (outside a function) |
| 19:25.00 | [Liquidor] | kneeki, pastey it |
| 19:25.06 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95931 |
| 19:25.26 | alestane | Well, there's your problem. |
| 19:25.27 | kneeki | the local is being set on line 4 |
| 19:25.42 | alestane | You're setting it before there's anything there to set it TO. |
| 19:26.13 | kneeki | sec, works... |
| 19:26.18 | [Liquidor] | Where is CurrentMod['Sound'] set anyway? Can't find it |
| 19:26.26 | kneeki | err, work |
| 19:27.14 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95932 is being set before the other file loads |
| 19:27.21 | kneeki | Sorry, should have included that |
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| 19:27.58 | NeoTron | I love when devs have humor: "-- Lick Your Wounds now with faster licking technology. " |
| 19:28.15 | NeoTron | they should license that faster licking technology. sure there would be a huge market |
| 19:29.26 | alestane | MinimalisqueDB isn't also on the SavedVariables list for the mod, is it? |
| 19:29.43 | kneeki | MinimalisqueDB is the only saved variables list |
| 19:30.17 | kneeki | I'm using 'local CurrentMod = MinimalisqueDB['HappyCoil']' because it's a good idea to only perform a lookup once, instead of every time I need to pull something from the table |
| 19:30.23 | kneeki | Well, that's what I was told |
| 19:30.24 | [Liquidor] | WEll |
| 19:30.33 | [Liquidor] | Get ingame and type /print CurrentMod['Sound']; and see what it says |
| 19:30.43 | kneeki | That will give an error |
| 19:30.54 | kneeki | Because it's local to the code |
| 19:30.54 | [Liquidor] | oh ye my bad |
| 19:30.54 | [Liquidor] | local |
| 19:30.59 | [Liquidor] | ye ino |
| 19:31.03 | alestane | Attempt to index global 'CurrentMod' (a nil value) |
| 19:31.21 | [Liquidor] | alestane, the human debugger |
| 19:31.27 | kneeki | lol |
| 19:31.34 | alestane | I've seen that crap way too many times. |
| 19:31.47 | [Liquidor] | Ehm by the way, what was the prob again? |
| 19:32.00 | [Liquidor] | You couldn't change your saved variable or? |
| 19:32.06 | kneeki | Well |
| 19:32.14 | kneeki | I could change MinimalisqueDB['HappyCoil'][ |
| 19:32.15 | kneeki | err |
| 19:32.32 | kneeki | I could change MinimalisqueDB['HappyCoil']['Sound'] fine, but its not changing CurrentMod['Sound'] |
| 19:32.40 | alestane | kneeki: When you load the mod you create a table, assign it to MinimalisqueBD, and then assign a value from it to CurrentMod. |
| 19:33.02 | alestane | Then, the engine loads another table from a SavedVariables file and assigns it to MinimalisqueDB. |
| 19:33.26 | alestane | But this doesn't change CurrentMod. It still points to the OLD MinimalisqueDB.HappyCoil. |
| 19:33.33 | kneeki | Ah |
| 19:33.37 | kneeki | I thought that was happening =\ |
| 19:33.52 | kneeki | So should I stay away from doing this all together then? |
| 19:33.58 | kneeki | More work than it's worth? |
| 19:34.14 | alestane | Not necessarily, but you need to do it differently. |
| 19:36.14 | alestane | Here's the quick and dirty way: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95934 |
| 19:37.02 | alestane | Or you can just assign it once at the beginning of each event call. That's not quite as fast, but still saves you several lookups into MinimalisqueDB. |
| 19:37.06 | kneeki | alestane: But that wouldn't refresh the table if the contents change |
| 19:37.22 | kneeki | alestane: Yeah, that's what I was going to suggest... |
| 19:37.26 | Jamash | tables are references |
| 19:37.53 | alestane | kneeki: Once you assign a table to two variables, any change to one affects the other...they're the same table still. |
| 19:37.53 | kneeki | Just drop a 'local CurrentMod = MinimalisqueDB.HappyCoil' on every event call |
| 19:38.25 | alestane | That's probably your best bet. That way you have one lookup per event, but not more than that. |
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| 19:38.32 | kneeki | Mhmm |
| 19:38.40 | kneeki | Do I have to worry about clearing the table or anything? |
| 19:39.04 | alestane | The problem you were having before was that you had two references to the same table, and then one of them was being changed afterward. |
| 19:39.24 | kneeki | Mhmm |
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| 19:40.23 | alestane | It doesn't look like you want to clear any tables. When the function exits, CurrentMod will disappear from the stack, but that's just one less reference to the table. |
| 19:40.30 | kneeki | Think it would be a bad idea to use 'CurrentMod = MinimalisqueDB['HappyCoil']' in an OnUpdate? For the tooltip change? |
| 19:41.15 | Jamash | It only saves you work if you're referring to MinimalisqueDB['HappyCoil'] more than once in the event handler |
| 19:41.33 | alestane | Not my expertise...talk to someone else about tooltip handling. |
| 19:41.56 | kneeki | I'm only calling the table twice currently |
| 19:41.58 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 19:42.05 | Jamash | probably not worth it then |
| 19:44.49 | Dewin | Hmmm... a site that sells edible microchips. So when your technology becomes obsolete, you can eat it! http://tinyurl.com/3jj3yk |
| 19:46.06 | Drundia | keylogger! |
| 19:46.43 | Dewin | lol not really |
| 19:46.52 | Dewin | http://www.mccain.co.uk/our-food/chips/micro-chips/why-its-good.aspx <-- non-obscured version of the URL |
| 19:47.11 | Dewin | or you can go to preview.tinyurl.com >.> |
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| 19:50.57 | fridgid | damn almost didn't make that 5s mark |
| 19:50.59 | fridgid | nice save |
| 19:54.24 | kneeki | Is it an addon which allows you to see memory usage from addons? |
| 19:56.16 | Slakah | I use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7362-AddonUsage.html |
| 19:56.59 | kneeki | Oh that's great. Thanks! |
| 19:58.46 | Dewin | neat. *downloads* |
| 19:59.10 | Dewin | now I can figure out what's causing me to lag in raids |
| 19:59.17 | kneeki | Dewin: Indeed :) |
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| 20:01.34 | Dewin | I like how the sample screenshot shows gatherer using 89% CPU |
| 20:01.49 | kneeki | haha |
| 20:02.16 | Cide | see CTRA up there? |
| 20:02.21 | Cide | it's barely using anything! |
| 20:03.29 | kneeki | Well, that's awesome :D |
| 20:03.38 | kneeki | Neither of my addons hardly use any memory, or CPU :) |
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| 20:04.37 | Cide | unless it's either 1) a huge addon, 2) a database of some sort, or 3) a scanner of some sort.. don't expect it to use much mem/cpu |
| 20:04.44 | Tifi | you don't actually know what the screenshot shows, do you? |
| 20:05.08 | Cide | what? |
| 20:05.27 | Tifi | for example how often the addon updates the profiling data |
| 20:05.53 | Dewin | as far as databases go... I wish that Blizzard would add, say, an embedded sqlite engine or something |
| 20:05.54 | Tifi | or what that percentage means |
| 20:06.15 | Dewin | especially for things like auctioneer and gatherer |
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| 20:06.40 | foxlit | Dewin: if you are good, you can find a post by Iriel discussing that |
| 20:07.18 | Dewin | I can imagine the issues that would arise -- it'd (potentially) allow communication between addons and that outside world |
| 20:07.34 | Dewin | but I can see a workaround for that too |
| 20:07.55 | [Liquidor] | Go write an SQL lib instead |
| 20:08.00 | foxlit | Personally, I don't think it's worth it |
| 20:08.22 | Jamash | yeah there's not much point in an SQL engine that runs purely in memory |
| 20:08.22 | Dewin | Being able to store megs of data in an addon and not having to keep it loaded all the time is not worth it? |
| 20:08.27 | Dewin | Not to mention being able to query it. |
| 20:09.01 | Jamash | Dewin: Blizz could easily allow you to read/write from the disk but it's part of their design not to |
| 20:09.31 | foxlit | If you read between the lines, keeping megs of data isn't exactly desired. |
| 20:10.07 | Dewin | The way I see it is the intent is to stop addons communicating with the outside world, and read/write to disk is a potential means of communication |
| 20:10.36 | Lunessa | Better to write out your data to saved variables, then import it via a php. perl, or python script into you sql db. |
| 20:10.56 | Dewin | or a lua script with a non-crippled lua interpreter |
| 20:11.01 | Lunessa | Yes, I know you wouldn't have in-game access, but still. |
| 20:11.10 | Dewin | Which defeats the entire purpose ;) |
| 20:11.29 | Thunder_Child | grats on not getting blown away Lunessa |
| 20:11.40 | Lunessa | I don't keep megs and megs of data all the time. |
| 20:12.13 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: They made us leave yesterday. I got out early in the day and the normal 3.5 hour trip to Austin took 7.5 hours. |
| 20:12.15 | Dewin | I run auctioneer and gatherer, both like to keep their data |
| 20:13.00 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, at least you had lots of time to think about addons |
| 20:13.28 | Lunessa | Motly I had lots of time to think about how driving with a fever SUCKS |
| 20:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Are you still sick, darlin'? |
| 20:14.25 | Lunessa | Lucky me... the fever broke while I was on the road. Now I'm just congested. |
| 20:14.40 | elite3vil | Yeah, I've got some sorta bug too.. it's LOADS of fun. |
| 20:15.32 | Lunessa | I tanked up on Dayquil to get through the drive. It's no fun being on a freeway doing 11mph |
| 20:16.13 | Lopeppeppy | On Dayquil. |
| 20:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | *quil makes me hallucinate, can't take it. |
| 20:16.30 | Dewin | fun. |
| 20:16.32 | Lunessa | There's a toll road that loops around the city, and they waived all the tolls to make the evac easier... then they closed all the entrances I could get to. So it didn't do squat for ME. |
| 20:16.33 | Dewin | I can't take Benadryl. |
| 20:17.04 | Dewin | sure it'll clear up my allergies, but I won't be caring about said allergies anymore. |
| 20:17.09 | Lunessa | If I couldn't take those two drugs my life would be pretty miserable. |
| 20:17.34 | Lopeppeppy | I can take benadryl, no problem. I don't if I'm driving, just in case it makes me sleepy, but it usually doesn't. |
| 20:17.37 | Dewin | claritin |
| 20:17.46 | Lunessa | I'm allergic to everything that bites/stings. I carry benadrul with me all the time. |
| 20:17.47 | Lopeppeppy | Claritin + Benadryl |
| 20:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | I'll need extra tonight, the peeps I'm visiting have a slobbery mangy mutt dog. |
| 20:18.22 | alestane | The last time we put Kat on a non-drowsy medication, it kept her up until five in the morning. |
| 20:18.24 | Lunessa | I don't have to carry an epi any more, but ... the anti-histamines are handy |
| 20:18.58 | Dewin | I'm just annoyed that Oregon requires an actual prescription for the /good/ Claritin. WA just limits how much you can get and has the pharmacist record your driver's license info and whatnot |
| 20:19.02 | Lunessa | alestane: yeah, it does that to me too. Like doing meth. UGH |
| 20:20.21 | Lunessa | The good bit was having dinner with Malreth |
| 20:20.39 | malreth | i should have fed Lunessa and taken a picture of it |
| 20:20.54 | Lunessa | Then everyone would want to do it. |
| 20:21.29 | Lopeppeppy | I want to do it! |
| 20:21.58 | Lunessa | Anytime we're co-located. *wink* |
| 20:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yay-ness. |
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| 20:23.21 | Lunessa | Anything good on the forums? |
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| 20:26.41 | Lunessa | whooops. Installing Firefox addons kills chatzilla. |
| 20:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | Whoops |
| 20:27.47 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: did you merge the wotlk branch into the normal one for SBB or why is it marked as WotLK compatible on WoWI? :O |
| 20:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie normal people, I go home now. Bye! |
| 20:29.31 | Thunder_Child | normal people? |
| 20:29.32 | Lunessa | By |
| 20:29.33 | Thunder_Child | where |
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| 20:29.40 | Tem | enjou a sheeple-free weekend, Peppy |
| 20:29.55 | Lunessa | The ones who believe the internet is for something other than porn. |
| 20:30.14 | Tem | Ready normal people? |
| 20:30.32 | Gnarfoz | ready. |
| 20:30.52 | Tem | "Sorry kate..." |
| 20:30.57 | Lunessa | The Internet is for porn. The Internet is for Porn! |
| 20:32.53 | malreth | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/10/hot-beef-sundae.html |
| 20:33.51 | jaxdahl | http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-8741-1221245871_thumb.jpg i wonder if this guy had basic homeowner's insurance and no flood insurance? |
| 20:35.04 | malreth | "Bob, I got Good News and Bad News..." |
| 20:35.28 | Tem | Who is mankirk and why do I care about the location of his wife? |
| 20:35.41 | malreth | purl, mankirk |
| 20:35.56 | Thunder_Child | you should Tem, you should |
| 20:35.59 | jaxdahl | purl, mankrik |
| 20:36.16 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki mankirk |
| 20:36.23 | Thunder_Child | boo |
| 20:36.28 | Tem | ~mankrik |
| 20:36.29 | jaxdahl | ~wiki mankrik |
| 20:36.45 | jaxdahl | oh it doesn't go to wowwiki |
| 20:36.52 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mankrik |
| 20:36.53 | alestane | Not play Horde muchTem? |
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| 20:37.08 | Tem | alestane: I've never done the barrens |
| 20:37.11 | Thunder_Child | pfft, i dont play horde and i know it |
| 20:37.16 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mankrik%27s_Wife |
| 20:37.20 | Tem | when I play horde, I do the the UD zones |
| 20:37.45 | alestane | There's an orc in Crossroads who wants you to find his wife (in RPG parlance, that means find her corpse). |
| 20:38.54 | alestane | At any given time there's at least one person in the Barrens who is too lazy and too clueless to find her on his or her own, who feels obliged to hassle the zone for her whereabouts. |
| 20:40.17 | alestane | Once on Lakeshire a couple people got into a pissing contest about their various guilds and someone piped up in General "Has anyone seen Mankrik's wife?" They didn't get it, but those of us that did needed a few minutes to stop laughing. |
| 20:41.05 | Thunder_Child | not to mention the usual "in my bed" etc. type of jokes |
| 20:41.28 | alestane | 'Many people who begin Blood Elves often ask in General Chat for the location of the Shrine of Dath'Remar. A handful of people have recently dubbed this "The Shrine of Mankrik's Wife" ' |
| 20:42.18 | Lunessa | Oh look, we developed a new forum regular who knows nothing but has something to say in every. single. thread. |
| 20:42.30 | alestane | Defaultui? |
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| 20:43.13 | alestane | Or Printer? |
| 20:43.30 | Lunessa | Opinion |
| 20:43.44 | alestane | Oh, him. Printer at least seems to have a clue. |
| 20:44.15 | Lunessa | Defaultui occasionally has a nugget or two. |
| 20:45.54 | smcn | heh, borean tundra is getting a peek at launch day... wonder if HF is any better |
| 20:46.14 | Lunessa | And not only do they post on every thread I've read, including a necro or three... they're always WRONG. I can deal with annoying if you're right. |
| 20:46.50 | elite3vil | I liked HF better than BT |
| 20:47.12 | elite3vil | BT reminded me of Desolace, in how spread out it is |
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| 20:47.45 | Jamash | yeah but at least you have an epic mount in borean tundra |
| 20:47.47 | smcn | yeah i like hf, i was plased to discover you can go to dragonblight at 71 :P |
| 20:48.11 | smcn | s/plased/pleased/ |
| 20:48.12 | NeoTron | omg I don't like HF |
| 20:48.20 | NeoTron | talk about spread out and without focus |
| 20:48.30 | Lunessa | I liked some of the stories in B.Tundra. |
| 20:48.32 | NeoTron | good thing people like different areas though |
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| 20:48.54 | smcn | i don't really care about having quest hubs close together. i like just walking through the wilderness :P |
| 20:48.55 | NeoTron | smcn: important note - it seems all of northrend is snails paced :P |
| 20:49.11 | NeoTron | smcn: maybe I'm weird but I care about efficency and leveling speed a |
| 20:49.17 | NeoTron | which frankly BT greatly won on |
| 20:50.23 | smcn | well, come launch time instances are probably going to be the fastest for a few days :P planning on grinding to 71 in azjol'nerub |
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| 20:51.36 | Tem | Brilliant |
| 20:52.00 | Tem | Check the last thing GC says in his last post here: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9679754227-class-balance-in-build-8926.html |
| 20:52.13 | smcn | ass balance in build 8926! |
| 20:52.53 | smcn | mm, stacking clams |
| 20:53.44 | Esamynn | praise be to the geneticists at Blizzard! 8) |
| 20:54.07 | NightHawkTheSane | omg. clams stack! woo! |
| 20:54.27 | NeoTron | smcn: very possible |
| 20:55.30 | Jamash | doo iiiiit |
| 20:55.49 | NeoTron | depends on if I want to play lock or hunter more |
| 20:56.30 | Tem | Pride Heralds the End of your world! |
| 20:56.36 | Tem | hmm... |
| 20:56.40 | Tem | which boss says that? |
| 20:56.44 | Cide | hakkar? |
| 20:56.50 | Esamynn | don't think so |
| 20:56.59 | Cide | Pride Heralds the End of your world |
| 20:57.00 | Cide | I win |
| 20:57.00 | Tem | either Hakkar or Prince |
| 20:57.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hakkar_the_Soulflayer |
| 20:57.10 | Cide | I'm pretty amazing |
| 20:57.11 | NightHawkTheSane | google ftw. |
| 20:57.20 | Esamynn | nice Cide |
| 20:57.21 | Tem | yay |
| 20:57.29 | Esamynn | I haven't faced Hakkar in well over 2 years |
| 20:57.30 | Cide | now |
| 20:57.32 | Cide | same |
| 20:57.43 | Cide | I wish I still remember gothik's intro speech |
| 20:57.45 | Tem | I fought him recently |
| 20:57.59 | Esamynn | Cide: I never got to Gothik :/ |
| 20:58.07 | Jamash | I never got to Hakkar :\ |
| 20:58.09 | Cide | however, I can do the speech by the guy who's outside the sanctuary in diablo 1 |
| 20:58.13 | Tem | Foolishly you have sought your own demise. Brazenly you have disregarded powers beyond your understanding. You have fought hard to invade the realm of the harvester. Now there is only one way out — to walk the lonely path of the damned. |
| 20:58.20 | Cide | thanks Tem |
| 20:58.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: check wowwiki? it's got a lot of boss quotes. |
| 20:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | or.. tem did it |
| 20:58.25 | Cide | that speech is awesome |
| 20:58.32 | Lunessa | "I would hope so. I took all 3 points in Clever Banter, but I wish I got to use the 5/5 freaking points in Snide Remarks that it takes to get down there. And if you go that deep it's really hard to go get Slap in the Face in the other tree, but I respec sometimes on weekends. " |
| 20:58.44 | Esamynn | epic |
| 20:58.44 | kd3 | rofl; amazon pulled all of the spore reviews |
| 20:58.56 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:59.02 | Cide | Please, listen to me. The Archbishop Lazarus, he lead us down there to find the lost prince. The bastard lead us into a trap. Now everyone is dead, killed by the demon he called "The Butcher". Avenge us! Find this butcher and slay him, so that oru souls may finally rest. |
| 20:59.11 | Tem | Censorship at it's worst imo, kd3 |
| 20:59.14 | Lunessa | Becuase "Planet of the Penis People" is a better name for the game? |
| 20:59.27 | Cide | I still remember it, haven't played diablo 1 for 5+ years |
| 20:59.48 | Jamash | If you talk to Gothik in the DK starting zone he says, "You have fought hard to invade the realm of the harvester... Wait. <Gothik looks at his notes.> My apologies, <race>. Old habits die hard." |
| 21:00.07 | Esamynn | yes, yes |
| 21:00.09 | Esamynn | I remember that |
| 21:00.09 | kd3 | ya. I made sure to put all of the boss quotes in the dk area up on the wiki |
| 21:00.11 | Esamynn | it's awesome :) |
| 21:00.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I like noth's responses when you ask where Heigan is. |
| 21:00.42 | alestane | I was bowled over when I saw Baron Rivendare was a freaking QUEST GIVER in the DK starting area. |
| 21:00.46 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Noth#Quotes |
| 21:01.28 | Lunessa | going to go take a nap. Ciao. |
| 21:02.03 | Jamash | I love how most of the DK area questgivers hate each other |
| 21:02.11 | Esamynn | I remember the Noth fight being somewhat painful to master |
| 21:02.43 | kd3 | just a function of CC and not dpsing during the blinks |
| 21:02.52 | Esamynn | yes well |
| 21:03.03 | Cide | noth was a great fight |
| 21:03.08 | Esamynn | my guild at the time often had trouble with such concepts on each new boss fight that required it |
| 21:03.09 | Cide | one of the best of naxx |
| 21:03.11 | Tem | we never got very far in old naxx :( |
| 21:03.18 | Cide | gothik was amazing too |
| 21:03.35 | Tem | we killed Raz a couple times, but never even attempted another boss |
| 21:03.43 | Esamynn | Tem: :( |
| 21:03.55 | Cide | ras frostwhisper was in scholo, Tem |
| 21:04.02 | Cide | good job killing him |
| 21:04.14 | Esamynn | Cide: yes, the Noth fight was neat, but as far as boss "coolness", Patchwerk sticks in my mind ;) |
| 21:04.22 | Cide | eh |
| 21:04.24 | Cide | patchwerk was just painful |
| 21:04.28 | Cide | funnily enough |
| 21:04.30 | kd3 | no more play? |
| 21:04.31 | Esamynn | heheh |
| 21:04.46 | Cide | our kill shot was when the main tank (who I was healing) got his shield broken mid-fight |
| 21:04.57 | Cide | and we were like "why is he taking so much damage" |
| 21:04.58 | Esamynn | Kel'thuzzard make Patchwerk his avatar of WAR! |
| 21:05.08 | Cide | and 15 sec later he's like "OH SHIT MY SHIELD BROKE" |
| 21:05.14 | Esamynn | Cide: ROFL |
| 21:05.15 | Cide | so sebudai runs up, drops a repair bot, and we kill him |
| 21:05.24 | Esamynn | ROFLMAO!!! |
| 21:05.27 | kd3 | rofl |
| 21:05.37 | Esamynn | Cide: that story is pure gold! |
| 21:05.39 | NightHawkTheSane | excellent. |
| 21:05.42 | Cide | ya, it was pretty funny |
| 21:06.07 | Cide | sucked because I ran out of mana completely (with every buff there was and with potions on cooldown for another 2 min) at ~15% |
| 21:06.21 | Esamynn | Cide: the only one I can think off of the top of my head to compare is one of our Paladins BoP'ing the MT during Anub's Locust Swarm :/ |
| 21:06.23 | Cide | and one of the offtanks was dead (we used 3) |
| 21:06.40 | Esamynn | that one didn't have a happy ending though |
| 21:06.41 | Cide | but one of the tanks got in some ungodly dodge spree, dodged like 5 hatefuls out of 7 |
| 21:06.49 | Esamynn | wow |
| 21:06.51 | Esamynn | lucky |
| 21:06.57 | Cide | yep |
| 21:07.04 | Cide | anyway, I still have the best story ever (imo) |
| 21:07.12 | Cide | can't really re-tell it but it was hilarious at the time |
| 21:07.26 | Shirik | Random question, and I doubt the possibility of this |
| 21:07.39 | zenzelezz | that BoP story reminds me of our first almost-kill of Azgalor, when the MT suddenly goes "Why am I banished?", and one of his healers goes "Shit, sorry guys, used DI" |
| 21:07.48 | Shirik | is there any scripts/programs designed to take an SMF from a user point of view and turn it into a database? |
| 21:07.53 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: ROFL |
| 21:07.53 | Shirik | (View every page, strip the info, etc.) |
| 21:08.00 | Shirik | SMF = Simple Machines Forums |
| 21:08.12 | Cide | we were doing huhuran, and one of our officers told me in officer chat before the fight: "I bet we die, and Curse of Doom kills her." |
| 21:08.22 | Cide | and so we were going in, and ended up wiping |
| 21:08.32 | kd3 | huhupants... |
| 21:08.42 | Tem | we never killed her |
| 21:08.49 | Cide | the officer says in vent (he's a warlock) "EVERY WARLOCK PUT ON CURSE OF DOOM" about 20 sec before enrage |
| 21:08.57 | Tem | but I have half a dozen wipe screenshots with her at <3% hp |
| 21:09.04 | Cide | and we get her down to ~5%, and everyone dies |
| 21:09.13 | Cide | but for some reason she doesn't reset |
| 21:09.17 | zenzelezz | I remember hearing a similar story Cide, where a warlock DoTed her up and used a Flask of Petrification or whatever it's called |
| 21:09.24 | Cide | that was our warlock |
| 21:09.31 | zenzelezz | probably where I got the story then |
| 21:09.31 | Cide | he sat there and tanked while invulnerable |
| 21:09.33 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 21:09.39 | Cide | and curse of dooms went off, one by one |
| 21:09.55 | Cide | she dropped to 1%, and the only CoD left was that same warlock's |
| 21:10.02 | Cide | and it takes like 20 sec, and then it goes off, and she drops |
| 21:10.05 | Cide | it was awesome |
| 21:10.09 | Esamynn | haha |
| 21:10.14 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.27 | Cide | petrification faded and he collected lootz |
| 21:10.27 | Esamynn | that would be a great moment |
| 21:10.40 | Cide | yeah, he totally called it before the fight too |
| 21:10.45 | Cide | so he was like "I told you so" to the whole guild |
| 21:11.31 | Esamynn | have they ever added a decent NR set to the game? |
| 21:11.43 | Cide | the cenarion set wasn't bad iirc |
| 21:11.47 | zenzelezz | BC had the Cenarion Expedition crafted one |
| 21:12.04 | kd3 | there was a CC set. I remember grinding mats for it |
| 21:12.05 | zenzelezz | not sure what it was like for non-plate, but at least the plate was enough for the purpose |
| 21:12.13 | Cide | ya, cenarion circle had one |
| 21:12.14 | zenzelezz | kd3: Ironvine |
| 21:12.22 | zenzelezz | was blue though, not awesome, but sufficient |
| 21:12.31 | kd3 | it had the NR. that was all we needed |
| 21:13.07 | Esamynn | right |
| 21:13.36 | Esamynn | right, they had to add stuff for Hydraxxas |
| 21:14.17 | Cide | is that the water version of naxxramas? |
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| 21:15.14 | Esamynn | sorry, got the name wrong |
| 21:15.17 | Esamynn | Hydros, SSc |
| 21:15.40 | Cide | yeah :P I figured |
| 21:15.41 | Esamynn | Hydross the Unstable |
| 21:15.46 | Esamynn | there we go |
| 21:15.47 | Cide | I just like trolling |
| 21:15.52 | Esamynn | :P |
| 21:16.02 | Cide | if you hadn't already noticed |
| 21:16.32 | Esamynn | heh |
| 21:16.40 | Esamynn | and what they did add for Hydross is all plate :/ |
| 21:16.51 | Esamynn | oh, except a ring and a neck |
| 21:17.11 | kd3 | wasn't there a leather set too? |
| 21:17.19 | zenzelezz | hm, there were no other sets? I do seem to recall our feral being unhappy about the situation |
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| 21:18.02 | Esamynn | kd3: not that I can find |
| 21:18.18 | Esamynn | I did a search for all items with more than 20 NR |
| 21:18.27 | Esamynn | only 31 in the game |
| 21:18.55 | Esamynn | 46 with >= 20 NR |
| 21:19.20 | Esamynn | with one of those being a legendary that I'm pretty sure isn't actually in the game |
| 21:19.20 | zenzelezz | no epic crafted leather NR, three 70 blues it seems |
| 21:20.12 | zenzelezz | that neck is in-game, but doesn't drop anymore. Think it dropped one time in MC before they changed it |
| 21:20.33 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 21:23.03 | Esamynn | have they ever told us what they might be doing with Atiesh? |
| 21:23.33 | kd3 | neg |
| 21:24.44 | jaxdahl | the guy that tells you about it is no longer in naxx |
| 21:25.26 | Tem | oh this |
| 21:25.28 | Tem | "The new reward for "For the Horde" and "For the Alliance" is a Black War Bear. " |
| 21:25.42 | jaxdahl | that's for 100,000 HKs, right? |
| 21:25.51 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 21:26.18 | Esamynn | 100k HKs? |
| 21:26.20 | Esamynn | jeez |
| 21:26.31 | Tem | no |
| 21:26.37 | Tem | that's killing the city leaders |
| 21:27.54 | Tem | 100k HKs is the "of the Alliance |
| 21:27.59 | Tem | and "of the Horde" titles |
| 21:28.25 | Esamynn | I should see if some of the guilds on my server still do Naxx runs |
| 21:28.36 | Esamynn | I'd love to get my Tier 3 set before you can no longer get it |
| 21:30.18 | Tem | same here |
| 21:30.34 | Tem | I wonder if raiding will fall apart with 3.0 like it did with 2.0 |
| 21:31.05 | zenzelezz | probably pretty close at least |
| 21:31.20 | Tem | I hope I can get people together to kill the city leaders before people realize how cool the reward is |
| 21:31.57 | Tem | with 3.0 closing and my /rolls sucking just as hard as ever, that may be my only shot at a bear mount |
| 21:32.50 | Tem | we're having the problem in my bear group of people who discontinue their trips with us once they have a bear |
| 21:33.08 | Tem | so people who've been there forever keep losing to people who join to fill the spots of the previous bear winners |
| 21:33.09 | Syzgyn | That sucks Tem |
| 21:33.27 | Tem | With enough time, everyone would get a mount, but we don't have that :( |
| 21:33.36 | Syzgyn | We sold our first bear last night, 6k :) |
| 21:33.42 | Tem | I'm afraid 3.0 will be on live servers before the end of October |
| 21:33.54 | Tifi | thats why we have dkp for bears |
| 21:34.06 | Tem | which only gives me like 15ish runs left |
| 21:34.42 | Tem | Tifi: I think you have just found the only time where DKP is a good system |
| 21:35.08 | Cide | loot council would work just as well |
| 21:35.26 | Tem | I disagree |
| 21:35.34 | zenzelezz | depends entirely on the guild/group |
| 21:36.22 | Tem | Here's the way I could envision the Bears working: person with the highest DKP value gets the bear. Tied players /roll |
| 21:36.30 | Tem | you get 1 dkp per bear run |
| 21:36.41 | Tem | (this dkp isn't shared with anything eles you do) |
| 21:36.45 | Tem | (it's used just for bears) |
| 21:37.23 | Tem | also, who cares |
| 21:37.24 | Tifi | yes that's pretty much how we do it, except that we also somehow use the dkp for those rings from the chests |
| 21:37.25 | Tem | it's friday |
| 21:37.29 | Tem | and it's 4:40 |
| 21:37.41 | Tem | ah yeah, the rings are pretty nice |
| 21:37.48 | Tem | I've only ever seen the one I want drop once |
| 21:37.52 | Tem | and lost the roll |
| 21:38.05 | Tem | but I didn't mind too much. I was 100% willing to lose the roll to that guy |
| 21:38.12 | Tem | he deserved the ring just as much if not more than me |
| 21:42.37 | elite3vil | We sell bears for 7k a pop |
| 21:43.00 | elite3vil | 'cause we all have them now |
| 21:46.39 | KarlKFI | mmm, spose i should try and get my bear... |
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| 21:48.05 | KarlKFI | guess i can tank or heal it. no one will want a ret |
| 21:48.37 | elite3vil | our ret broke 2.2k on Brut this week |
| 21:48.47 | elite3vil | only one lust too. |
| 21:48.53 | KarlKFI | fun |
| 21:49.26 | KarlKFI | i'd need more warrior gear to hit that |
| 21:49.32 | KarlKFI | too much mana |
| 21:49.44 | KarlKFI | tho i could chug haste pots |
| 21:50.06 | KarlKFI | would need a new guild tho |
| 21:50.08 | sacarasc | so much more than me... i managed to break 1.4k against the second guy in Hyjal though |
| 21:50.15 | elite3vil | JoW + 1 point in vindication + 2t6 + haste pots |
| 21:50.32 | KarlKFI | yeah 2t6 is basically a requirement |
| 21:50.47 | elite3vil | the vindication should be too. |
| 21:51.27 | KarlKFI | vindication doesn't work on bosses.. |
| 21:51.35 | elite3vil | it does proc JoW thought |
| 21:51.53 | elite3vil | even if the boss is immune |
| 21:51.59 | elite3vil | *though |
| 21:52.05 | KarlKFI | ahh, forgot about that |
| 21:53.14 | KarlKFI | i dont remember what my top was on brute.. always overshadowed by the warlocks doing like 3k |
| 21:54.16 | elite3vil | Yeah, I think our highest was our glaive rogue doing 2875 or something |
| 21:54.26 | elite3vil | we don't give people >1 bloodlust though, so it could be higher |
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| 21:56.55 | steev|gone | wow |
| 21:57.02 | steev|gone | there's something to this donations over the internet thing |
| 21:57.08 | steev|gone | yesterday i had 1.19 to my name |
| 21:57.17 | steev|gone | now im 436.27 away from keeping my apartment |
| 21:57.48 | Xinhuan | huh? |
| 21:57.51 | Icecoldcoke | ^ |
| 21:59.04 | steev|gone | i am getting evicted if i don't come up with 1343.55 by 6pm CST (1 hour away) |
| 21:59.16 | steev|gone | roommates ran out on the rent |
| 21:59.26 | Cide | hey guys, I'm getting evicted too. |
| 21:59.30 | Cide | let me know if you wanna help out. |
| 21:59.39 | steev|gone | and left the eviction notice on the table for me to see |
| 21:59.51 | steev|gone | Cide: nice |
| 21:59.55 | steev|gone | not quite like that |
| 22:00.00 | Shirik | Cide, you can come live with me ;) |
| 22:00.01 | Cide | what? |
| 22:00.03 | Cide | oh baby. |
| 22:00.05 | KarlKFI | I need a new tv. i take donations |
| 22:00.08 | steev|gone | Shirik: aww, i want to :( |
| 22:00.16 | Cide | you barely even know the guy |
| 22:00.21 | Icecoldcoke | I could use gas money, it's going to go up by a lot :( |
| 22:00.22 | steev|gone | so? |
| 22:00.27 | Cide | you wouldn't want to |
| 22:00.31 | Cide | he'd decompile and reverse engineer you. |
| 22:00.38 | steev|gone | whats wrong with that? |
| 22:00.51 | steev|gone | i'd just change his CFLAGS and add some LDFLAGS and recompile him |
| 22:00.59 | Shirik | You assume I run on Linux |
| 22:01.07 | Xinhuan | so how did u post up a donation notice |
| 22:01.29 | KarlKFI | ebay |
| 22:01.32 | steev|gone | on my blog, which is syndicated on gentoo universe |
| 22:01.41 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 22:01.42 | steev|gone | (im a gentoo dev) |
| 22:01.59 | Shirik | anyway, I'm going to go hit some golf balls |
| 22:02.04 | Cide | enjoy |
| 22:02.14 | Shirik | I will envision Cide's face on every one of them |
| 22:02.15 | KarlKFI | hit some for me Shirik |
| 22:02.18 | Shirik | and then miss completely |
| 22:02.22 | Cide | aww |
| 22:02.24 | Fisker- | Shirik my friend |
| 22:02.38 | Fisker- | watch out |
| 22:02.38 | Shirik | the ones I hit solidly will be with Fisker-'s face on |
| 22:02.41 | Fisker- | you are being deceived |
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| 22:03.12 | Thunder_Child | keep playing with balls Shirik |
| 22:03.39 | KarlKFI | many grown men play with balls |
| 22:03.45 | Cide | great balls of fire |
| 22:04.12 | Thunder_Child | sounds like an STD |
| 22:04.30 | steev|gone | (16:58:29) jj: customer advised me to suck her ass while she's on her period so i can suck out all her juices |
| 22:04.45 | Cide | tmi imo |
| 22:05.01 | Cide | but I suppose the customer is always right |
| 22:05.08 | steev|gone | he muted the call after that and let her cuss till she hung up |
| 22:05.39 | Icecoldcoke | Um. |
| 22:05.56 | foxlit | telnet slashdot.org 80 |
| 22:05.56 | foxlit | telnet: connect to address 216.34.181.45: Connection refused |
| 22:06.04 | foxlit | ! :( |
| 22:06.22 | Dewin | trying to read the x-cookies? |
| 22:06.44 | KarlKFI | mmm slashdot finally got slashdotted |
| 22:06.55 | foxlit | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/slashdot.org |
| 22:07.21 | Dewin | Maybe someone piped all of the data from CERN to it? |
| 22:07.44 | Cide | nah, they just posted news about themselves. |
| 22:08.04 | jaxdahl | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
| 22:08.18 | Dewin | lol |
| 22:08.45 | Dewin | oddly, the RSS feed still works and redirects properly |
| 22:09.08 | jaxdahl | not odd. i'm sure there is a perfectly good explanation for that |
| 22:09.28 | Cide | no u |
| 22:10.34 | foxlit | that's what Cide said! |
| 22:11.47 | leethal | http://idroppedie6.com/ \o/ |
| 22:17.55 | bleeter | kd3: matter of curiosity, did you have any issues with the background downloader for Live under Wine? Seems to not like starting up/opening files etc. Lots of 'cancel' seems to do wonders ;) |
| 22:18.21 | kd3 | I hit cancel once, then let it do its thing |
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| 22:18.41 | bleeter | maybe I'm just being early-morning click happy heh. thanks for the reply tho :) |
| 22:19.15 | sacarasc | i dunno how to turn on the background downloader at all \o/ |
| 22:19.21 | kd3 | launcher |
| 22:19.55 | sacarasc | yeah, i go direct to wine Wow.exe |
| 22:20.00 | Jamash | or run BackgroundDownloader.exe |
| 22:20.02 | Dewin | or just run BackgroundDownloader.exe |
| 22:20.23 | bleeter | kd3: other question, have you updated to the NEWKEY stuff yet? I'm still holding back due to obvious trepidation foo |
| 22:20.25 | Dewin | or get the .torrent with your favorite client |
| 22:20.32 | bleeter | *updated your OS |
| 22:20.35 | kd3 | works fine |
| 22:20.41 | kd3 | just run yum update a few times |
| 22:20.49 | bleeter | loverly.. thanks again, bajillion thanks |
| 22:21.18 | bleeter | ah, I'm rsyncing to create a local mirror. once that's synced... ;) |
| 22:21.52 | bleeter | though I really should start looking at that new tool to create a mirror froman individual yum system foo thingie |
| 22:24.19 | zenzelezz | "looking for shadowpriest for Magtheridon, 4p t6 preferred" o_O |
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| 22:25.19 | KarlKFI | speed run |
| 22:25.28 | KarlKFI | for gems |
| 22:26.18 | Xinhuan | you should see the ones that go "lf healer kara, min 2000 heal" |
| 22:26.51 | Icecoldcoke | Which is low for what you can get with kara + badge gear. |
| 22:27.38 | Xinhuan | except that you need to do kara first to get the badges and kara gear to get 2000 heal |
| 22:27.41 | Xinhuan | catch 22 much? ;p |
| 22:28.37 | Icecoldcoke | If you need to do kara first for gear then you shouldn't be looking for a quick badge run |
| 22:29.23 | bleeter | Xinhuan: I /gquit a guild calling them a bunch of elitist wannabe morons... they decided to disagree. anyways, /gquit my priest, not two mins later they were in /trade looking for 2.2k heals for Kara |
| 22:29.36 | Arrowmaster | wow wtf? im seriously questioning wtf kind compression activision is using when the new metallica album is 1.34GB for GH3 |
| 22:30.16 | KarlKFI | uncompressed? |
| 22:30.19 | Jamash | probably lossless |
| 22:30.28 | Cide | Arrowmaster: a revolutionary algorithm, where each bit is represented by one byte |
| 22:30.42 | Cide | s/,// |
| 22:31.01 | Xinhuan | bleeter: haha |
| 22:31.14 | Arrowmaster | maybe it has something to do with it saying it will work with both GH3 and GH world tour, but i swear they already said all GH3 dlc will work with world tour |
| 22:31.25 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: probably got a video on it. Hopefully it's titled 'Metallica: How we lost the plot after White Lightning' |
| 22:31.28 | foxlit | It's not just audio |
| 22:31.34 | bleeter | I'd watch that, at least... wouldn't buy it |
| 22:31.54 | foxlit | And hey, 1.34 GB ~~ 2 CDs :) |
| 22:31.54 | Arrowmaster | audio + note list |
| 22:32.10 | Dewin | note list is probably tiny, at most ~16k per song or so I'd think |
| 22:32.17 | Jamash | eensy-weensy |
| 22:32.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 22:32.41 | Arrowmaster | and wtb larger harddrive in 360 =( |
| 22:32.51 | Arrowmaster | the 20gb ones fill up fast |
| 22:33.43 | cbreak | hard disks are cheap |
| 22:33.59 | cbreak | I am thinking of buying a 1TB drive |
| 22:34.29 | KarlKFI | cant for the 360. it doesn't recognize anything you didn't buy from M$ |
| 22:34.39 | Arrowmaster | well going back to 360 while i wait for 7zip to finish compressing my 3+ gigs of irc logs |
| 22:34.54 | bleeter | kd3: can they use USB storage? |
| 22:35.01 | bleeter | bah, s/kd3/karlkfi/ |
| 22:35.10 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: perty sure it does |
| 22:35.30 | cbreak | yes, you're right. Microsoft isn't as tolerant with hardware expansion as apple |
| 22:35.44 | Arrowmaster | but like i said going back to 360 since pc isnt very responsize at 100% cpu load |
| 22:37.31 | cbreak | multi core/cpu systems are great in that respect |
| 22:37.40 | Fogger | what you playing? |
| 22:38.04 | Jamash | he's playing 7zip |
| 22:38.11 | Jamash | oh on the 360 |
| 22:40.47 | foxlit | # What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies. Maybe you don't like monsters so much. Maybe I used too many monkeys... |
| 22:43.56 | KarlKFI | Arrowmaster: you can only install hard drives on the 360 that are in the sizes sold by MS, because they are required to be formatted in a certain way. The only known way to format them atm is to take an image directly off an existing MS sold drive. |
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| 22:49.27 | Xinhuan | why would you keep 3 gb of irc logs you won't read again Arrowmaster? |
| 22:50.28 | Xinhuan | also, looking for Diao ;p |
| 22:50.30 | Thunder_Child | never know when it might come in handy |
| 22:50.43 | Jamash | blackmail, extortion, etc |
| 22:50.58 | Xinhuan | i keep logs too, but prune then to at most a year back or so |
| 22:51.23 | kd3 | meh, if I want logs, that's what ~logs is for |
| 22:51.24 | kd3 | ~logs |
| 22:51.25 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 22:51.48 | Thunder_Child | that only goes back so far |
| 22:51.55 | Thunder_Child | + there isnt any reason not to |
| 22:52.49 | Xinhuan | well Arrowmaster, did complain about being unable to patch wotlk earlier because he had less than 3 gb of empty space |
| 22:53.37 | Fisker- | i no see ptr :( |
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| 22:54.56 | Arrowmaster | most of my irc logs are from channels that are not publicly logged like these on freenode are |
| 22:55.36 | Arrowmaster | and they go back like 6 years and have been useful to have in the past |
| 23:12.21 | Arrowmaster | yay finally got to the last tier of GH3 on hard |
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| 23:23.13 | Adys | I want to set a custom background to my bank frame, what are the limitations on the tga I can use? |
| 23:23.39 | Adys | wowwiki says max 256 colors (wth?), and a friend tells me the image size needs to be a power of two |
| 23:24.33 | zenzelezz | 256 colors per channel I imagine |
| 23:24.45 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexture |
| 23:26.25 | zenzelezz | I still think it's 256 colors per channel. Don't see why it'd be more limited than a texture set in XML or elsewhere |
| 23:26.37 | Adys | sounds very odd to me too |
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| 23:28.01 | Xinhuan | the powers of 2 is correct for image size |
| 23:28.11 | Xinhuan | it has to be between 16 and 512 too |
| 23:28.26 | Xinhuan | also, your tga/blp must have an alpha channel |
| 23:28.31 | |Jelly| | cog|work: Ping (correct channel this time <3) |
| 23:28.42 | Duman | hmm |
| 23:29.12 | Duman | beta servers hozed? or is it me |
| 23:29.36 | kd3 | they've been going downhill all day |
| 23:29.41 | Duman | :-( |
| 23:29.47 | Duman | I see them in the realm list, but can't connect |
| 23:31.04 | Duman | oh there we go |
| 23:31.11 | Duman | I had to connect to murmur first |
| 23:32.51 | cog|work | |Jelly|: yeth? |
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| 23:34.00 | cog|work | s/yeth?/pong/ i suppose... sorry... had my head buried in foodieforums.com |
| 23:34.28 | Adys | another stupid question, how do I make a texture tile rather than resize to match the dimension? |
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| 23:36.15 | Jamash | you can make backdrop textures tile |
| 23:36.20 | Jamash | I'm not sure about other textures |
| 23:36.23 | End | Adys: in wotlk or live? |
| 23:36.37 | Adys | both? :) |
| 23:36.41 | Adys | wotlk if poss though |
| 23:37.02 | End | in wotlk you can pass true to the second arg of :SetTexture() |
| 23:37.05 | End | and it'll tile it |
| 23:37.10 | Adys | ooh nice |
| 23:37.26 | End | in live you'll have to create a bunch of textures, or use a backdrop, or something like that |
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| 23:39.31 | Adys | thanks a lot |
| 23:39.36 | End | np |
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| 23:55.48 | Shirik | But there's just one thing that I haven't done... |
| 23:55.53 | Shirik | I wanna know how forever feels |
