| 00:00.08 | kd3 | heh. my desk calendar actually calls it patriot day |
| 00:00.08 | kd3 | rofl |
| 00:01.39 | Icecoldcoke | Happy 9/11? O.o |
| 00:02.46 | smcn | yeah wtf? lol |
| 00:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I laughed, but I'm also a HORRIBLE person |
| 00:03.13 | Esine | what's the problem :[ |
| 00:03.28 | Icecoldcoke | 9/11 is when terrorists attacked the world trade center |
| 00:03.29 | Esine | Icecoldcoke is not a team player he does not share our enthusiasm |
| 00:03.33 | smcn | well, i wouldn't describe 9/11 with the word "happy" :P |
| 00:03.51 | kd3 | which is... part of the joke? |
| 00:04.33 | starlon | sick joke |
| 00:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | Irony. |
| 00:04.51 | smcn | Neuro_Medivh |
| 00:05.09 | Esine | here's the cake to celebrate the day http://meeped.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/40/409583fee7028bba565582b27235648ba74f5855.jpg |
| 00:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow |
| 00:05.27 | Syzgyn | Icecoldcoke: ping |
| 00:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That's terrible |
| 00:05.38 | Syzgyn | Ahaha |
| 00:05.46 | Dashkal | That is so very very wrong... |
| 00:06.03 | kd3 | is it bad that I first noticed the horrendous photoshop job before actually realizing what it was? |
| 00:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 00:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | A FOURTH INVITE |
| 00:06.11 | Syzgyn | rifk |
| 00:06.12 | Icecoldcoke | Syzgyn: Hi wintergrasp BFF. |
| 00:06.15 | Syzgyn | rofl* |
| 00:06.21 | Syzgyn | Hai2U <3 |
| 00:06.34 | Icecoldcoke | Syzgyn: I forgive you for attacking me when I was least expecting your OP warriorness. |
| 00:06.44 | smcn | ScytheBlade1: dude i got 3 invites, 1 for each of my accounts |
| 00:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | smcn: yeah, I just got my third and fourth |
| 00:06.56 | smcn | and i was already in from wowi |
| 00:06.59 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: give me ! |
| 00:07.04 | Syzgyn | Icecoldcoke: Psh, I'm gimp as hell right now |
| 00:07.21 | smcn | at first i thought the third was actually my original invite from wowi :P |
| 00:07.23 | Icecoldcoke | Syzgyn: Well.. there was kind of a priest on me too. :( And their fear lasted full duration! |
| 00:07.24 | NeoTron | our druid MT primarily |
| 00:07.31 | Syzgyn | Hehe yeah |
| 00:07.50 | Syzgyn | Freakin Tenacity though |
| 00:08.12 | Icecoldcoke | Yeah that's why I tried to kill the priest but I was feared to death |
| 00:08.15 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: O.o |
| 00:08.25 | Dashkal | Random I get, but shouldn't your name come up only once a round? |
| 00:08.54 | Arrowmaster | i got 3 invites for my 1 account |
| 00:09.05 | Syzgyn | Icecoldcoke: I was playing earlier today, and there were 4-6 alliance beating on 1 disc priest with 3-4 stacks of Tenacity. He. Didnt. Die. D: |
| 00:09.18 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: in the same round? That's the bit that surprises me. |
| 00:09.41 | Arrowmaster | nah 2 in one and 3rd in another |
| 00:09.47 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 00:09.51 | NeoTron | how bad is their randomizer? |
| 00:09.53 | Icecoldcoke | Syzgyn: I usually can take hits from multiple people unless I'm retarded and using my OH not shield (Like I was when I ran into you and the priest), or getting interrupted.. |
| 00:09.58 | NeoTron | don't they remove accounts that already got an invite? |
| 00:10.04 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 00:10.11 | Neuro_Medivh | but only through the opt-in |
| 00:10.19 | Tem | do we have a beta patchyet? |
| 00:10.27 | kd3 | neg |
| 00:10.30 | Neuro_Medivh | if you got one some other method, like wowi or blizzcon, you can get a second one from opt-in |
| 00:11.21 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 00:11.25 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: I can confirm that the ui pool didn't disqualify me from opt-in, but people getting three or four suggests strongly that even an opt-in proc doesn't remove you |
| 00:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | No patch yet :( |
| 00:11.34 | bleeter | one of the MBers got 5 beta invites in one hit today... so... |
| 00:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:11.45 | Syzgyn | Obligatory nerf shaman :P |
| 00:11.45 | NeoTron | arrowmaster just said he got two invites in one round |
| 00:11.47 | smcn | all of mine were from today at the exact same time |
| 00:11.48 | NeoTron | for the same account |
| 00:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I think they just did a multiboxer wave |
| 00:11.56 | Neuro_Medivh | beta about to get full |
| 00:12.03 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: wouldn't be suprised |
| 00:12.07 | smcn | ScytheBlade1: heh didn't think of that |
| 00:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I got one opt in per account |
| 00:12.17 | NeoTron | I have two accounts haven't gotten any opt ins! |
| 00:12.17 | Celoril | I have an addon that's almost done.. to an experienced developer it needs 10-15 mins of work, but I'm quite swamped. If anyone wants to finish it up I will pay you for your time/work.. :) |
| 00:12.20 | Dashkal | Well, I was considering doing BT just to see those quests, but I think I'd prefer to avoid the mob |
| 00:12.39 | Icecoldcoke | Syzgyn: What? Nerf shaman? Just reading that makes me cry. |
| 00:13.04 | Arrowmaster | its actually really weird because when i got my first 2 supposedly only the wowi keys had gone out and not the curse ones, so i thought one was a wowi and the other was an optin, but then recently i got the 3rd one but its been way too long since the curse ones went out |
| 00:13.15 | Neuro_Medivh | they already nerfed shaman |
| 00:13.23 | Neuro_Medivh | at least, enh shaman |
| 00:14.23 | Tem | I remember hearing an addon named "BetterBlizzOptions" |
| 00:14.27 | Tem | but I can't find it |
| 00:14.28 | Syzgyn | Icecoldcoke: <3. Fear my mighty 18% crit and 4% hit! |
| 00:14.35 | Tem | anyone got a clue for me? |
| 00:14.42 | NeoTron | any feral druid tanks in beta? |
| 00:14.49 | Tem | aha! |
| 00:14.54 | Tem | I was spelling it wrong |
| 00:14.57 | Syzgyn | http://files.wowace.com/BetterBlizzOptions/ |
| 00:15.06 | Tem | NeoTron, hi |
| 00:15.29 | Tem | Syzgyn, yeah, I found it once I stopped asking google for "BetterBlizzardOptions" |
| 00:15.57 | Syzgyn | Heh |
| 00:16.52 | Hjalte | Celoril: What kind of addon? Not that I can code or anything. |
| 00:18.09 | Rabbitbunny | Celoril: this sounds interesting. |
| 00:18.25 | Rabbitbunny | Anybody happen to be really good at UI and want to build one? |
| 00:18.30 | Syzgyn | Throw is a pastey |
| 00:18.37 | Syzgyn | s/us/is/ |
| 00:18.43 | Syzgyn | wow fail |
| 00:19.05 | Rabbitbunny | heh, that parsed correctly in MINDsed. |
| 00:19.31 | Tem | Rabbitbunny, I'm not claiming to be good or willing to do one for you, but I'm curious what you need. |
| 00:19.36 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 00:20.08 | Celoril | All the addon needs to do is collect the guild bank items & log.. and it already collects the items, just the log part is bugged. |
| 00:21.04 | Neuro_Medivh | I want an addon that randomly moves any frame the mouse is over |
| 00:21.26 | Syzgyn | Hahah |
| 00:22.00 | Rabbitbunny | A thingy to show a table. the table contains map names, and numbers. just a... spreadsheet style display for table = { ["goldshire"] = { ["datecode"] = { profit = 500 }, ["datecode2"] = { profit = 675 } } }, oh, and some times the mapname is really a session, but those are all "Session-"..userentered. |
| 00:22.33 | Syzgyn | ...what? |
| 00:22.51 | Rabbitbunny | with like... map/sessions over on the left, and a few data points in a scrolling windows to the right, with the full data available when clicking the line. |
| 00:22.51 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds like Microsoft Excel for WoW |
| 00:23.01 | Neuro_Medivh | only 299 at Compusa |
| 00:23.37 | Syzgyn | hehe |
| 00:23.38 | Rabbitbunny | ...maybe I should MSPaint it... |
| 00:23.43 | Syzgyn | That'd help |
| 00:23.49 | Syzgyn | I have no idea what you're describing |
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| 00:30.33 | Rabbitbunny | http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee146/Rabbitbunnyrandtan/FarmFuBrowser.jpg |
| 00:30.47 | Rabbitbunny | Like that. |
| 00:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh, this random latency is pissing me off |
| 00:31.10 | NeoTron | so i just got a beta invite |
| 00:31.18 | NeoTron | 2nd one since I had the wowi one |
| 00:31.28 | Antiarc | So I just had this crazy thought |
| 00:31.32 | Antiarc | Which I would do if I actually had time |
| 00:31.34 | Antiarc | But what if |
| 00:31.36 | Antiarc | Just what if |
| 00:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | GOT IT |
| 00:31.43 | Antiarc | We implemented ProgressQuest in WoW |
| 00:31.44 | NeoTron | which I just sent to my friend |
| 00:31.48 | NeoTron | Antiarc: omgyes |
| 00:31.50 | Antiarc | It would be like the most meta of meta games. |
| 00:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | BUILD 8926 |
| 00:32.37 | Antiarc | Link or it didn't happen! :P |
| 00:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Downloading! |
| 00:32.48 | Syzgyn | Woohoo! |
| 00:33.15 | Syzgyn | Rabbitbunny: I see now |
| 00:33.16 | Duman | 8926 woo |
| 00:33.24 | NeoTron | haxoring again scythe? :P |
| 00:33.27 | ScytheBlade1 | sshhh |
| 00:33.29 | Duman | isn't he always? :) |
| 00:33.32 | NeoTron | ofc |
| 00:33.37 | Syzgyn | Thats actually alot like the interface of the addon I'm working on |
| 00:33.49 | Rabbitbunny | Can I steal your codes? :D |
| 00:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | The next evolution is to write a script that scans and downloads/assembles patches for me :P |
| 00:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: 8926 |
| 00:34.06 | Syzgyn | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw17928.jpg That look similar? |
| 00:34.27 | Rabbitbunny | Yes. |
| 00:34.49 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: making an alternative achievement ui? |
| 00:34.53 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 00:35.02 | Rabbitbunny | So far, I've got the outer roundrect and the title at the top to work. gui is annoying. |
| 00:35.04 | NeoTron | I saw the SS, just checking tha tis what it is :P |
| 00:35.13 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10867-UrbanAchieverWotLK.html Go! Download! Use! Give feedback! |
| 00:35.16 | NeoTron | but I guess it's pretty obvious |
| 00:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 00:35.39 | NeoTron | pro -> /script UrbanAchiever:SetupFrames() |
| 00:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Between 145200kb and 153600kb |
| 00:36.06 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 00:36.06 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 00:36.10 | NeoTron | I just got a 2nd beta invitiation |
| 00:36.14 | NeoTron | are they sending them to all opt ins? |
| 00:36.22 | Syzgyn | No, I havent gotten any extra yet |
| 00:36.38 | NeoTron | I just got two, seriouslt |
| 00:37.17 | NeoTron | sent one to my friend. have to decide what to do with the 2nd one. send to another friend or us on my 2nd account |
| 00:37.32 | Syzgyn | Get guildies to give you stuff for it |
| 00:37.41 | Rabbitbunny | lol |
| 00:38.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~50% downloaded |
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| 00:38.56 | NeoTron | considering I jsut got two I wonder though if they aren't doing a huge invite wave |
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| 00:40.08 | Rabbitbunny | So anyway, If someone cries about not having enough ui to build, direct them my way eh? |
| 00:40.27 | Syzgyn | You can always download my mod and modify it to your own purposes |
| 00:41.12 | Rabbitbunny | So... I can has code? |
| 00:41.21 | Syzgyn | I dont care |
| 00:41.32 | Rabbitbunny | Stolen. Thanks :D |
| 00:41.43 | Syzgyn | Have fun going through it :D |
| 00:41.55 | Rabbitbunny | I wonder if I can figure out how it works.. |
| 00:41.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Assembling... |
| 00:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 142MB |
| 00:43.09 | Syzgyn | Everything you need should be in self:SetupFrame(), CreateCategoryButton(), and CreateAchievementButton() |
| 00:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | For those of you with a memory, enUS PC is up |
| 00:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | For those of you without, you'll have to wait for me to verify it before I link it :P |
| 00:44.08 | NeoTron | hey mac is pc's too! |
| 00:44.09 | Syzgyn | I has no memory D: |
| 00:44.10 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 00:44.18 | NeoTron | heh |
| 00:45.15 | Rabbitbunny | Woah. |
| 00:45.23 | Antiarc | 8926? |
| 00:45.26 | Rabbitbunny | You have as many lines with gui, as I have without. |
| 00:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 00:45.53 | Antiarc | Danke |
| 00:45.54 | NeoTron | gui programming in wow is pretty horrible :P |
| 00:46.01 | Antiarc | It's really not that bad |
| 00:46.02 | Antiarc | I mean |
| 00:46.04 | Antiarc | It's not MFC |
| 00:46.07 | Antiarc | And that's basically instawin |
| 00:46.09 | NeoTron | thank god? |
| 00:46.20 | Antiarc | I really like WoW's layout system |
| 00:46.32 | Antiarc | Though I wish it supported CSS |
| 00:46.34 | Antiarc | Oh man |
| 00:46.40 | Antiarc | A CSS lib for frames would be sex leg. |
| 00:46.45 | Syzgyn | Oh god yes |
| 00:46.47 | NeoTron | there's a layout system? |
| 00:46.58 | Antiarc | anchoring, nesting, etc |
| 00:47.02 | Syzgyn | Rabbitbunny: Thats how it works :P |
| 00:47.13 | NeoTron | I know ace3 has layout systems. anchoring/nesting is basically just a fancy version of pixel ui's :P |
| 00:47.21 | Arrowmaster | oh man wait until we get those new MMOs that use Flash for their UI and let us mod it using ActionScript |
| 00:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll have it verified in about a minute |
| 00:47.23 | Antiarc | AceGUI-3.0 is really quite nice |
| 00:47.34 | Syzgyn | Arrowmaster: Dont get my hopes up like that :( |
| 00:47.47 | NeoTron | acegui is nice bu tnot good for making more compact ui's or ui's where you want some control |
| 00:47.50 | Arrowmaster | Syzgyn: why? they are coming |
| 00:47.54 | Antiarc | Well, yeah |
| 00:47.57 | NeoTron | for example making a table of information with some clicable objects |
| 00:48.02 | Antiarc | But if you just want to crank out a quick GUI it's great |
| 00:48.04 | NeoTron | making a table in general feels painful |
| 00:48.07 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 00:48.11 | Antiarc | In any case writing a GUI isn't that hard |
| 00:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, I even beat mmo-champ to a build number |
| 00:48.22 | Antiarc | If you've done any kind of layout engine before it's downright enjoyable |
| 00:48.23 | NeoTron | that's why I use it for all my addons (well I go one step further and (ab)use aceconfig) |
| 00:48.38 | Antiarc | I had to write a layout engine for a markup-to-PDF renderer once. |
| 00:48.40 | Antiarc | That crap is HARD. |
| 00:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ow @ Antiarc |
| 00:49.05 | Antiarc | There are like eleventy billion edge cases |
| 00:49.07 | Antiarc | It's retarded |
| 00:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.31 | Antiarc | Already got it. |
| 00:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah for the others :) |
| 00:49.41 | Antiarc | Bibi`: Ping, get that, run your data mining on it, I'm too lazy |
| 00:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (Who have terrible memories) |
| 00:50.13 | kd3 | 150K/s isn't fast enough but it's abhorrently expensive to get more |
| 00:50.26 | Bibi` | Antiarc : more like YOU JUST CANT DO IT. |
| 00:50.27 | Bibi` | :( |
| 00:50.30 | Bibi` | (well, you can.) |
| 00:50.32 | Bibi` | (but... :() |
| 00:50.43 | Antiarc | I wrote my own DBC parsers in python! :P |
| 00:50.49 | Antiarc | They're just a year out of date. |
| 00:50.54 | Antiarc | And I don't want to update them |
| 00:50.54 | NeoTron | WEHRE AER TEH PATSH NOTSES! |
| 00:50.56 | Antiarc | GO, DO MY WORK |
| 00:51.29 | Arrowmaster | we have updated ones in ruby now |
| 00:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:52.34 | NeoTron | I've heard lua is all the craze for scriptign these days |
| 00:52.47 | Antiarc | Ooooh |
| 00:52.50 | Icecoldcoke | mmmm. 1.2mb/s |
| 00:52.50 | Antiarc | Can I get a copy of those? |
| 00:52.55 | Antiarc | Ruby's my weapon of choice |
| 00:53.07 | Antiarc | Wait, you linked them to me once |
| 00:53.25 | NeoTron | Hmm. WAR beta followed by a large opt-in invite cycle (maybe, hardly confirmed)? /conspiracytheorist |
| 00:53.28 | Antiarc | I can't find, link again >_> |
| 00:53.38 | Antiarc | Meh, wouldn't surprise me :P |
| 00:54.12 | NeoTron | hopefully this won't kill the servers if in fact it is a large invite |
| 00:54.17 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: datatools or data-tools on curseforge |
| 00:54.22 | NeoTron | but a friend with 4 opted in accounts didn't get any key(s) yet |
| 00:54.30 | Antiarc | kickin', thanks |
| 00:54.39 | Celoril | gotta admit too, I find war pretty fun |
| 00:54.56 | erikd | i just got home and found that all 3 of my accounts (which i opted in on) got invites |
| 00:55.06 | NeoTron | Celoril: cynic in me - people thoight conan was fun en masse until they got to higher levels |
| 00:55.09 | Celoril | I haven't received any of my 4 opt-ins yet either.. only have my 1 press key |
| 00:55.27 | NeoTron | I wonder.. did anyone who's NOT a addon developer invite got a bunch of invites? |
| 00:55.36 | Celoril | Really? I didn't find conan FUN.. thought it looked good and was 'cool' but it never had the fun factor |
| 00:55.36 | NeoTron | heh |
| 00:55.46 | erikd | yeah, i've been playing on my blizzcon invite |
| 00:55.49 | NeoTron | Celoril: people quit wow for it.. for a month |
| 00:56.04 | Celoril | Yeah I knew conan would flop from the start tho |
| 00:56.08 | Celoril | Warhammer won't.. |
| 00:56.12 | WobWork | ...Sure =) |
| 00:56.17 | Celoril | Not saying it's gonna hurt WoW.. because nothing will.. |
| 00:56.44 | NeoTron | not caring if it does |
| 00:56.51 | NeoTron | just saying that early on many mmo's look good |
| 00:56.54 | NeoTron | some don't but many do |
| 00:57.13 | Celoril | True, but you must admit you can usually get a sense of whether or not one will succeed or not |
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| 00:57.17 | Antiarc | warhammer seems to be a lot more solid than Conan |
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| 00:57.18 | Celoril | it was like WoW vs EQ2 |
| 00:57.21 | NeoTron | like I played this little mmo called Auto Assault. It was actuall a shitton of fun.. until mid to high levels |
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| 00:57.41 | NeoTron | mind you a month of fun play wasn't bad for me |
| 00:57.46 | Celoril | EQ2 had pretty graphics and good in theory, but lacked the fun factor that WoW had.. |
| 00:57.46 | WobWork | The only way a new mmo can survive and suvive well is if the update cycle is neither too often or more often than not |
| 00:57.46 | Arrowmaster | i got a free week of that from a magizine or something |
| 00:58.01 | NeoTron | I thought EQ2 graphics was, if more graphically complex, pretty horrible |
| 00:58.06 | Arrowmaster | wasnt bad but i heard endgame was nothing but pvp in one zone |
| 00:58.06 | WobWork | also, they have to inform the players of what's being looked at, what's being fixed |
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| 00:58.16 | WobWork | and in as much detail as possible |
| 00:58.21 | NeoTron | end game was pretty much not there |
| 00:58.29 | Celoril | the characters in EQ2 looked like wax :P |
| 00:58.37 | WobWork | People are no longer satisfied with "We fixed some stuff with PvP" |
| 00:58.38 | NeoTron | and it was a game that relied HEAVILY on questing to level... and quests basically just stopped at level 60 (of 80) |
| 00:58.40 | WobWork | They need numbers |
| 00:58.52 | Arrowmaster | personally for me, i want endgame info before a new mmo is released |
| 00:58.58 | WobWork | absolutely |
| 00:59.06 | WobWork | It shows that they've thought that far ahead |
| 00:59.13 | NeoTron | they need the start of endgame there too |
| 00:59.17 | Arrowmaster | and most mmos completely fail on that |
| 00:59.23 | WobWork | and that the game is deep enough that they -can- design end game matieral |
| 00:59.28 | NeoTron | because often post-release you might have to spend more time than desirable to fix issues vs new content |
| 00:59.33 | Arrowmaster | they atleast need to actually announce what the endgame is going to be |
| 00:59.41 | WobWork | Crafting as well |
| 00:59.45 | NeoTron | worse thoguh is then they don't even have enough content to get TO the end game |
| 00:59.49 | WobWork | Crafting has to be well thought out and implemented |
| 00:59.53 | Celoril | Conan is flopping hard IMO |
| 00:59.53 | WobWork | It can't be tacked on |
| 00:59.58 | WobWork | like in Conan |
| 01:00.17 | Celoril | But anyone here who's played WAR and Conan both must agree that War is going to be FAR more successful |
| 01:00.33 | NeoTron | I'd say you can't really be much less successful |
| 01:00.42 | NeoTron | I guess conan had an incredible start (sold boxes) |
| 01:00.43 | Arrowmaster | vanguard? |
| 01:00.52 | NeoTron | well ok you can be a lot less successful :P |
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| 01:01.01 | Antiarc | Hm |
| 01:01.02 | Celoril | haha |
| 01:01.05 | Antiarc | "Unable to validate game version" |
| 01:01.06 | Celoril | Vanguard is aweseom!! |
| 01:01.11 | Antiarc | Guess they haven't updated the login server yet? |
| 01:01.22 | Arrowmaster | AoC atleast got hyped to fucking hell so tons of people bought it then found out it was shit |
| 01:01.37 | Celoril | I remember playing Vanguard on a nice PC.. graphics looked like crap (Unreal engine?) and ran like crap too |
| 01:01.39 | WobWork | well, AoC delivered what it offered |
| 01:01.54 | WobWork | Boobies |
| 01:02.16 | WobWork | and that satisfied a lot of players =P |
| 01:03.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah 'rated M' and 'you get a buff for having sex with npcs' was about the most of what i got from the prerelease info |
| 01:03.17 | Icecoldcoke | ScytheBlade1 - Are we ready to post the link to the patch download on general beta forums |
| 01:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 01:03.28 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 01:03.34 | NeoTron | I think AoC sold a loot because of BOOBIES |
| 01:04.06 | WobWork | No one can deny that claim =) |
| 01:04.17 | kd3 | interface diffs going out in ~5 minutes. anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 01:04.18 | Arrowmaster | honestly i never really got into any of the AoC hype because i didnt like what i first saw |
| 01:04.21 | WobWork | Crafting, while... interesting in execution, was terrible in design |
| 01:04.32 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i dont think im on your list |
| 01:04.33 | NeoTron | man I'm going to this site mmo champion and it doesn't even have info about the new patch wtf! |
| 01:04.38 | jaxdahl | i am able to login |
| 01:04.43 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.46 | jaxdahl | realms are offline |
| 01:04.51 | NeoTron | to be clear, I'm making fun of the ppl on the forums that whine abotu patch notes 3 hrs before the patch is done |
| 01:05.03 | NeoTron | kd3: diffed the lua again? |
| 01:05.13 | kd3 | every patch |
| 01:05.23 | NeoTron | is there a way to not have to whisper you every time? :P |
| 01:05.33 | kd3 | if you emailed me once, you're on the list |
| 01:05.38 | kd3 | s/emailed/msged/ |
| 01:05.51 | jaxdahl | anything juicy in the diffs? |
| 01:05.55 | Celoril | are you guys talking about on the test realm? |
| 01:05.58 | NeoTron | cron flakes: scheduled cereal eating |
| 01:06.04 | kd3 | jax; dunno. I'm still patching |
| 01:06.04 | jaxdahl | new beta build, Celoril |
| 01:06.15 | Celoril | ohh ok |
| 01:06.22 | Tem | hmm |
| 01:06.27 | Tem | I don't get the patch when I try to login? |
| 01:06.37 | Tem | have you guys haxxord to get the downloader again? |
| 01:06.48 | jaxdahl | tem: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.2.8905-to-3.0.2.8926-enUS-patch.exe |
| 01:06.49 | erikd | it's up on the usual spot |
| 01:06.52 | jaxdahl | from ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:07.00 | Tem | exellent :) |
| 01:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | plz2nolinkongeneral |
| 01:07.25 | Tem | kd3, ping? |
| 01:07.31 | kd3 | pong. I got it |
| 01:07.33 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.36 | Tem | kd3, cool thanks |
| 01:07.38 | NeoTron | :) |
| 01:07.50 | kd3 | anyone else? |
| 01:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:08.00 | bleeter | heh, wrath takes me to the 'downloading update' ingame thing, then throws me back to 'connecting' |
| 01:08.12 | NeoTron | so my friend who had no previous invite just got one |
| 01:08.20 | NeoTron | I suspect this is a blanket "all opt ins" invite cycle |
| 01:08.26 | Tem | NeoTron, can you change your Neo|Other to be different from your normal name sooner than the third character? |
| 01:08.36 | WobWork | NeoTron: for wrath? |
| 01:08.40 | NeoTron | beta yes |
| 01:08.44 | WobWork | hm |
| 01:08.48 | WobWork | I haven't gotten it yet =P |
| 01:08.49 | jaxdahl | DHT magnet: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:SREC4OG7VV57DYHF42352FHYNIFQ6FPY |
| 01:09.09 | jaxdahl | NeoTron, yea, all my 3 opt-ins got one today |
| 01:09.13 | NeoTron | Tem: better? :P |
| 01:09.24 | Tem | NeoTron, even better =P |
| 01:09.58 | bleeter | there we go |
| 01:10.02 | NeoTron | I just realized... if the entire guild gets invites (assuming ofc they all opted in).. how hard will BC raiding become? |
| 01:10.39 | Jamash | bc raiding = bear runs |
| 01:11.01 | NeoTron | or Kil'jaeden |
| 01:11.06 | Arrowmaster | i cant even fucking get bear runs |
| 01:11.07 | NeoTron | I predict... chaos |
| 01:11.13 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: I have two :-./ |
| 01:11.19 | NeoTron | could get a third if I cared about my pally |
| 01:11.38 | bleeter | oh, no, that was just 8905 of my Wine box |
| 01:11.52 | kd3 | 2744 lines, 108k... anyone else want in? emails out as soon as they get uploaded to gmail |
| 01:11.58 | Arrowmaster | i have 0 because ive only be on about 5 runs that actually got a bear |
| 01:12.35 | kd3 | emails out! |
| 01:13.27 | jaxdahl | ever hear of bcc? |
| 01:13.51 | erikd | now everyone knows my email address, oh noes! |
| 01:13.51 | NeoTron | new frame: FocusFrameNumericalThreat |
| 01:13.56 | jaxdahl | thanks for the email though |
| 01:14.04 | kd3 | it's an opt-in thing. somehow I get the feeling that we're not gonna get spammed |
| 01:15.11 | Antiarc | Oh nice, shadow quality slider in now |
| 01:15.27 | jaxdahl | Antiarc, yea, noticed that on the login screen |
| 01:16.14 | NeoTron | I wonder if they fixed shadows with OpenGL yet |
| 01:16.29 | Antiarc | <Frame name="FocusFrameNumericalThreat" hidden="true"> |
| 01:16.30 | Antiarc | Interesting |
| 01:16.34 | kd3 | heh. the textures slider still looks inverted |
| 01:16.56 | Antiarc | "Quest sharing timer has expired" |
| 01:17.03 | Antiarc | +ITEM_BIND_TO_ACCOUNT = "Binds to account"; |
| 01:17.05 | Antiarc | Neat. |
| 01:17.17 | Antiarc | +SHOW_NUMERIC_THREAT = "Show Aggro Percentages"; |
| 01:17.20 | NeoTron | what does that mean? that you can send btween chars on the same account? |
| 01:17.26 | Rabbitbunny | THat'd be cool. Move your companions to your mule/new main |
| 01:17.29 | kd3 | new; hopefully |
| 01:17.31 | Corgan | holy crap |
| 01:17.32 | Antiarc | I'm thinking things like the murloc suit |
| 01:17.37 | Corgan | bind to account :o |
| 01:17.38 | NeoTron | Rabbitbunny: but companions are spells not items |
| 01:17.48 | NeoTron | Antiarc: seems likely |
| 01:17.48 | Rabbitbunny | it will work |
| 01:17.58 | jaxdahl | Antiarc, i thought that got added already |
| 01:17.59 | bleeter | card loot redemption moves, maybe |
| 01:18.05 | jaxdahl | or are you looking at the 2.x - 3.x diff? |
| 01:18.08 | Antiarc | jaxdahl: Some stuff was character-only |
| 01:18.10 | Antiarc | Like the card loot |
| 01:18.17 | Antiarc | I thought the murloc suit was as well |
| 01:18.20 | NeoTron | stuff that is single character |
| 01:18.31 | NeoTron | which esp with deathknight would be lost |
| 01:18.36 | Antiarc | +if ( UnitIsUnit("pet", "vehicle") ) then |
| 01:18.42 | jaxdahl | i know i saw ITEM_BIND_TO_ACCOUNT in a previous diff |
| 01:18.43 | Antiarc | So "vehicle" is a valid unit type now? |
| 01:18.48 | NeoTron | guess so |
| 01:18.59 | kd3 | for the vehicle we're in only, most likely |
| 01:19.01 | Arrowmaster | another to add to the list people competely forget about |
| 01:19.18 | WobWork | http://www.massively.com/2008/09/09/a-world-of-warcraft-players-guide-to-warhammer-online/ |
| 01:19.51 | Antiarc | +-- ns = RestrictedTable_rtgsub(s, pattern, repl, n) |
| 01:19.51 | Antiarc | +-- A version of string.gsub which is able to be passed restricted tables |
| 01:19.54 | Antiarc | What's that even mean? |
| 01:20.21 | Antiarc | +<Frame name="TargetFrameNumericalThreat" hidden="true"> |
| 01:20.24 | Antiarc | Yay |
| 01:22.19 | NeoTron | many many years ago I selected a directory to store mail in for Gnus. I named it .gmail. I should sue google! |
| 01:22.45 | NeoTron | so not new but.. I just saw this one: self:RegisterEvent("UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS");-- Wha?? Still Wha... |
| 01:23.41 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 01:23.43 | Arrowmaster | for? |
| 01:25.06 | Keias | holy crap |
| 01:25.19 | Keias | Anyone know of any WOTLK beta mirrors, for the main client? |
| 01:25.50 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023602703 |
| 01:26.18 | NeoTron | Keias: got a key? |
| 01:26.24 | Keias | yes |
| 01:26.31 | Keias | ty kd3 |
| 01:26.51 | NeoTron | opt in I presume |
| 01:26.57 | NeoTron | I wonder if they are adding more servers |
| 01:27.23 | Keias | Yeah. |
| 01:27.41 | NeoTron | made a post on my guild forum, we'll see if ppl reply |
| 01:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda like python, but I've gotta say the syntax sucks |
| 01:33.06 | ajmitch | I find the syntax far nicer than perl or php |
| 01:33.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/95811 |
| 01:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But it still has some advantages |
| 01:33.52 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, you don't like python's syntax? |
| 01:33.54 | Tem | blasphemy! |
| 01:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It sucks |
| 01:34.08 | Lopeppeppy | Import soul |
| 01:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry but it does |
| 01:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | NO SOUL! |
| 01:34.31 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, what don't you like about it? |
| 01:34.33 | Antiarc | python syntax sucks for one very specific reason: |
| 01:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | There is no soul, only zuul |
| 01:34.40 | Antiarc | self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self self |
| 01:34.42 | Antiarc | (self) |
| 01:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:34.50 | Tem | what do you have against self? |
| 01:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't poked with that much python quite yet |
| 01:34.56 | Antiarc | You have to pass it around EVERYWHERE. |
| 01:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 01:35.01 | Tem | okay, and? |
| 01:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | Free love |
| 01:35.06 | Antiarc | It's a pain in the ass. |
| 01:35.14 | Antiarc | I like python, think it's a great language |
| 01:35.17 | ScytheBlade1 | But I really hate how it decided to be adversely different from every other language out there "just because" |
| 01:35.21 | Tem | have you seen the selfless "hacks" ? |
| 01:35.21 | Antiarc | But passing self around explicitly is a pain in the ass. |
| 01:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | (read: whitespace and {}) |
| 01:35.36 | Antiarc | I like the whitespace because it makes Python the perfect teaching language |
| 01:35.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Teaching, sure |
| 01:35.42 | Antiarc | Really hammers proper indentation into people |
| 01:35.44 | Tem | I like the whitespace as well |
| 01:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | For about four minutes |
| 01:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And then they get the concept and you can move on |
| 01:35.58 | Antiarc | It's really not hard to use in practice though |
| 01:36.05 | Tem | { and } are just extra characters that you don't need |
| 01:36.11 | Tem | it's the indentation that we read anyway |
| 01:36.12 | Antiarc | I prefer ruby with its explicit blocking, but python's okay |
| 01:36.20 | Tem | omg |
| 01:36.27 | Tem | omen guy is a smug ruby dev |
| 01:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:36.40 | Antiarc | omen guy is a uses whatever the hell is most productive dev :P |
| 01:36.56 | Antiarc | I personally really like Ruby, but I don't begrudge you using Python :P |
| 01:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | This is my first time playing with it |
| 01:38.09 | Cide | python is ahmazing |
| 01:39.14 | Antiarc | I'm just glad that perl isn't en vogue so much anymore |
| 01:39.36 | Antiarc | Perl's amazing in theory, but generally makes me want to blow my face off in practice. |
| 01:39.53 | Cide | uhh |
| 01:39.54 | Cide | Antiarc |
| 01:39.59 | Cide | when do you explicitly pass self in python? |
| 01:40.13 | Tem | super.Method(self,blah) |
| 01:40.17 | Cide | usually only when you do super(OwnClass, self).method(args) |
| 01:40.22 | Cide | but then you don't *pass* self anywhere |
| 01:40.23 | Tem | er |
| 01:40.25 | Tem | yeah |
| 01:40.26 | Tem | whatever |
| 01:40.46 | Cide | you could store the result of super(OwnClass, self) somewhere if you'd prefer that |
| 01:41.18 | Cide | but you never explicitly pass self... |
| 01:41.34 | Cide | unless you're dealing with old style classes, in which case you can only blame yourself |
| 01:41.46 | Antiarc | It may be that the OO structure sucks less now |
| 01:41.48 | Cide | but I think they may have implicit selfs too |
| 01:41.50 | kd3 | hoo boy. texas is hosed |
| 01:42.00 | kd3 | ike's explosively intensifying |
| 01:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:42.10 | Antiarc | But when I was heavily using it, OO methods required self as the first parameter if I wanted any kind of instance variable access |
| 01:42.21 | Antiarc | This was a few years ago though |
| 01:42.27 | Cide | well, if you grab it from the class instance, ya |
| 01:42.31 | Cide | Class.method(self, args) |
| 01:42.42 | Cide | or rather |
| 01:42.46 | Cide | Class.method(instance, args) |
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| 01:42.54 | Cide | but instance.method(args) is equivalent |
| 01:43.04 | jaxdahl | kd3: http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-681-1221094963.png |
| 01:43.13 | jaxdahl | can you view that image? |
| 01:43.50 | kd3 | yup |
| 01:43.54 | jaxdahl | http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-681-1221096176.jpg |
| 01:43.59 | jaxdahl | 941.6 mb |
| 01:44.08 | jaxdahl | that's enough to support a cat5, but it's so broad |
| 01:44.22 | jaxdahl | the gradient isn't there yet |
| 01:44.22 | Antiarc | I pulled up a spring graph simulator I wrote in Python |
| 01:44.23 | Antiarc | http://pastey.net/95812 |
| 01:44.25 | Antiarc | For some of it |
| 01:44.28 | kd3 | the eye's only 9 miles wide. it's going to do the same thing wilma did last year |
| 01:44.36 | kd3 | soon... very, very soon |
| 01:44.38 | jaxdahl | it has 2 eyes last i checked |
| 01:44.39 | Antiarc | If that format is less required now, hooray :D |
| 01:44.53 | jaxdahl | if the inner one collapses and the outer takes over and tightens, whoo boy |
| 01:44.53 | Corgan | Glyph of Awesome Ability |
| 01:44.53 | Corgan | Makes your Awesome Ability do something cool. |
| 01:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo the script works |
| 01:45.12 | jaxdahl | 11mb in 4 hours? damn |
| 01:46.08 | jaxdahl | regardless of wind, the surge is going to do massive amounts of damage, don't think there's any way out of it now |
| 01:46.20 | kd3 | no kidding |
| 01:46.22 | jaxdahl | jeff masters thinks cat 4 by morning |
| 01:46.31 | kd3 | ya, that's the blog post I'm reading atm |
| 01:46.47 | Cide | Antiarc: nope, the syntax is the same |
| 01:46.57 | Cide | Antiarc: but you're never explicitly passing self to anything |
| 01:47.07 | Cide | and you'd have exactly the same syntax if you did it in say lua |
| 01:47.19 | Antiarc | Lua has the implicit self via : at least |
| 01:47.23 | Antiarc | Which is a major, major plus |
| 01:47.29 | Cide | python does that |
| 01:47.35 | Antiarc | Oh? |
| 01:47.41 | Antiarc | I mean the method signatures and all |
| 01:47.43 | Cide | you'd still need to do self:method(args) |
| 01:47.50 | Cide | in python you just do self.method(args) |
| 01:48.00 | Cide | you don't need self.method(self, args) |
| 01:48.06 | jaxdahl | kd3, check this out: http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/camille.jpg |
| 01:48.14 | Antiarc | Right, but I mean that every single method requires self as the first parameter of the method signature |
| 01:48.27 | Cide | oh, method signature. yep |
| 01:48.33 | Antiarc | It's small, but irritating. |
| 01:48.41 | Cide | I don't consider that irritating at all |
| 01:48.47 | Antiarc | I'm lexically scoped - it should be able to infer that |
| 01:48.47 | kd3 | thank gods sat tech's come so much farther in almost 40 years |
| 01:49.05 | Cide | Antiarc: the point is though, that you explicitly name it 'self'... you can call it anything if you want to |
| 01:49.19 | Antiarc | Sure, but you still have to explicitly define it ;) |
| 01:49.31 | Cide | well yeah, otherwise it won't know what you want to call it :P |
| 01:49.32 | Antiarc | It's not a dealbreaker, just a minor annoyance to me |
| 01:49.37 | Cide | besides |
| 01:49.57 | Cide | you typed self in a method signature about 5% of the total 'self' instances in that code |
| 01:50.05 | Cide | I mean, just look at the redundancy in createQuads :P |
| 01:50.14 | Icecoldcoke | Looks like pallies are getting the nerf bat today. |
| 01:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 01:50.28 | Antiarc | Well, ruby, for example, implicitly checks for methods on self if you just dangle them out there |
| 01:50.38 | Cide | ya, but ruby does a lot of magic |
| 01:50.38 | Antiarc | It's very intelligent about its scoping and tends to be far less verbose as a result |
| 01:50.41 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 01:50.54 | Antiarc | No argument there. I prefer that style, though, I think |
| 01:50.55 | Cide | that's not wrong, but it's not the way python decided to go |
| 01:51.00 | Antiarc | Hehe, yeah |
| 01:51.10 | Cide | so ya, that boils down to opinion :P |
| 01:51.10 | Antiarc | I'm a big fan of Python. Really :P |
| 01:51.16 | Cide | me too! |
| 01:51.25 | Cide | if you didn't notice |
| 01:51.25 | Antiarc | I mean, the self stuff isn't anything that would stop me from using Python |
| 01:51.29 | Antiarc | Hehe, indeed I did. |
| 01:51.52 | jaxdahl | kd3, hurricane hunter has it down to 940.5 mb |
| 01:52.02 | Antiarc | I should rewrite this app in ruby and see what kind of results I get out of it. |
| 01:52.05 | Antiarc | Like, code-size wise |
| 01:52.19 | Cide | I like your nested loop btw... |
| 01:52.23 | jaxdahl | i'm still amazed it's cat2 still |
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| 01:52.31 | kd3 | the winds haven't caught up yet, give it a few hours |
| 01:53.10 | jaxdahl | it's been like that all day, kd3 |
| 01:53.16 | jaxdahl | inner and outer keep fighting |
| 01:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol stupid hunter pet |
| 01:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Ran up and melee'd my sheep |
| 01:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Died |
| 01:53.44 | Cide | Antiarc: you could just do: for v,u in ((a,b) for a in quad.nodes for b in quad.nodes) |
| 01:53.50 | Cide | and skip the nested loop |
| 01:53.58 | Antiarc | Oh, slick, nice to know |
| 01:54.06 | Antiarc | This code is about 2, 3 years old, as a disclaimer :P |
| 01:54.07 | Cide | or |
| 01:54.19 | Cide | for v,u in ((a,b) for a in quad.nodes for b in quad.nodes if a!=b): ... |
| 01:54.23 | Cide | and skip the if statement too |
| 01:54.50 | Cide | yeah, I figured :P |
| 01:55.05 | Cide | but that loop screams 'kill me' |
| 01:55.43 | Antiarc | hehehe |
| 01:55.50 | Antiarc | Sweet, this still works! |
| 01:57.50 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/springgraph.zip <-- :D |
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| 01:57.58 | Antiarc | wiki.py is the file to run |
| 01:58.07 | Cide | what's it do? |
| 01:58.16 | Cide | depends on pygame though |
| 01:58.19 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 01:58.31 | Cide | think I still have that since I coded my physics engine |
| 01:58.39 | Antiarc | It's a...well, spring graph system |
| 01:58.56 | Antiarc | Nodes and edges, and it figures out how to lay them out in a visually pleasing manner |
| 01:59.15 | Antiarc | wiki.py was the beginnings of a wikipedia navigator, but I don't think it ever went anywhere |
| 01:59.23 | jaxdahl | northrend and lich king just dropped off the realm list |
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| 02:00.16 | Icecoldcoke | OH MY GOSH NEW RANK CHAIN HEAL |
| 02:00.27 | kd3 | heh, invalid version here still |
| 02:00.38 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, more DK nerfs |
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| 02:01.37 | Icecoldcoke | Earthliving weapon finally has its values fixed |
| 02:02.35 | Rabbitbunny | Hmm, what's self.frame? |
| 02:02.51 | Rabbitbunny | just a variable, or a keyword? |
| 02:06.17 | Neuro_Medivh | good lord, they just keep nerfing DKs |
| 02:06.37 | Antiarc | what'd they do? |
| 02:06.38 | Neuro_Medivh | frost strike down to a 30% weapon dmg attack |
| 02:06.50 | Neuro_Medivh | sliced 2 ranks of Bloody Vengeance off |
| 02:07.37 | NightHawkTheSane | bloody vengeance was going to be changed to match the pally talent |
| 02:07.44 | NightHawkTheSane | that's been known for a long time |
| 02:07.55 | ajmitch | any warrior changes yet? |
| 02:08.14 | Neuro_Medivh | necrosis nerfed hard as well |
| 02:08.19 | Neuro_Medivh | from 5% per rank to 2% |
| 02:08.36 | kd3 | whee. the dk forums are already crying |
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| 02:08.52 | TC-Away | If this LAUNCH EVENT item isn't available anywhere else, how am I supposed to shop around and make comparisons? |
| 02:08.52 | TC-Away | Yeah, it sort of seems like you can't. |
| 02:08.54 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 02:08.58 | Antiarc | It's kinda funny, because nobody actually has production DKs yet, either |
| 02:09.43 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, dks are just whiny beceause they lost their absurdly overpowered damage |
| 02:09.59 | Neuro_Medivh | we lost that 2 patches ago, Nighthawk |
| 02:10.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and they're all STILL whining about it |
| 02:10.34 | Neuro_Medivh | No, the complaints are that they are nerfing the DK class even MORE. |
| 02:10.58 | Neuro_Medivh | DK is being turned into a ret pally that can't heal |
| 02:11.06 | NightHawkTheSane | meh. |
| 02:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid Naj'entus ate my face three times in a single fight |
| 02:11.29 | NightHawkTheSane | it's still just whining, though. |
| 02:12.09 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, it's just frustration. It seems as if DKs are being balanced around the lvl 70s, and at lvl 80 they're gonna suck donkey balls. |
| 02:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | its frustration because everyone was so used to seeing huge numbers and walking around like they owned the place. :p |
| 02:13.04 | NightHawkTheSane | its not even a matter of if they're being nerfed too much, or not enough, or how balanced they really are. 90% of the whines are basically just still smarting from that |
| 02:13.20 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, Nighthawk, that's all it is. We're all just a bunch of whiny crybabies who have no concept of class balance |
| 02:13.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: you just described 95% of the people who play wow; ) |
| 02:14.05 | starlon | Anyone else getting "Unable to validate game version." from the beta client? Is that normal before patches? |
| 02:14.12 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 02:14.14 | Neuro_Medivh | I just hate that argument. You're basically saying that nothing any DK ever says has merit because they're just crying |
| 02:14.26 | bleeter | starlon: yeah, normal with an updated client when the servers don't have the new client version number yet ;) |
| 02:14.33 | starlon | k |
| 02:14.35 | Neuro_Medivh | When in fact there are some valid concerns about class scaling |
| 02:15.09 | starlon | It's such a small window of time, I've never experienced it before. |
| 02:15.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i didn't say that. I said the people crying before the patch is even up are without merit. the people who complain about class balance and dps without any real data to back it up are without merit. |
| 02:15.12 | Neuro_Medivh | right now, at lvl 80 in Naxx epics, rogues wars and hunters will easily outscale DKs |
| 02:15.37 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, there's some justified and valid complaints, but they get so lost by the deluge of people who just whine because they see a nerf |
| 02:16.21 | bleeter | hah, when did they make the connection error URL cliackable? gg blizz :) |
| 02:16.33 | Neuro_Medivh | And those nerfs are kneejerk reactions to a perceived imbalance. The huge numbers were being caused by Unholy getting 4 diseases and exploiting the disease mechanic, so in response the devs eviscerated the disease mechanic. LAST patch. And that wasn't enough for them. |
| 02:17.12 | bleeter | MOAR NURFZ! |
| 02:17.33 | NightHawkTheSane | see, it's the attitude that it's somehow personal that bothers me the most. |
| 02:18.01 | bleeter | tbh, all classes will prolly be screwed to some degree until somewhere between 3.1 and 3.2, after everything goes live and all this theorycrafting is put into real practice |
| 02:18.28 | bleeter | so no matter where Blizz end up in their beta scaling/talents etc., it'll be wrong for a while |
| 02:18.28 | NightHawkTheSane | go get some reliable test data, do the math, and make solid arguments, not merely "the devs nerfed us already, but i guess they hate DKs so we got nerfed again" |
| 02:19.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't need to test the data to know that +10% is worse than +25% |
| 02:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ... except that's a meaningless argument |
| 02:19.26 | NightHawkTheSane | it doesn't actually matter how much damage you do |
| 02:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it only matters that the numbers are balanced in the big picture, against everything else |
| 02:20.46 | Neuro_Medivh | Nighthawk, DK dps last patch was behind the other DPS classes, according to WWS reports and other data. |
| 02:20.47 | NightHawkTheSane | which, gasp and shock, is what testing and beta phases are for. |
| 02:21.07 | Neuro_Medivh | except when we comment on the low dps, we're called whiners! |
| 02:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd call everyone a whiner, not just dks ;) |
| 02:21.29 | Antiarc | Twilight Drake -- Summons and dismisses a rideable Twilight Drake. This is a very fast mount. This mount can only be summoned in Outland or Northrend. |
| 02:21.30 | Antiarc | :O |
| 02:22.05 | Antiarc | Glyph of Seal of Vengeance -- Your Seal of Vengeance or Seal of Corruption also grants 10 expertise while active. |
| 02:22.06 | Antiarc | :O :O |
| 02:22.18 | smcn | those look like netherdrakes 2.0, wyrmrest accord = netherwing |
| 02:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: the point is, i dont care if people bring up concerns about dps, but it shouldn't be "wahhhh.. our dps is too low" it should be "here's the data we've gathered, how it compares to other classes, the situations for the testing & data gathering, we think it might be a bit [low|high], relative to other classes" |
| 02:24.08 | bleeter | my dps is always low |
| 02:25.20 | Neuro_Medivh | My DK's dps was never absurdly high, but then I never went frost/unholy. My 74 dk does about 600dps right now in quest gear. That's far lower than my 71 enhance shaman, though the shaman is in BT gear |
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| 02:31.22 | jaxdahl | i was able to push about 3000 dps on the level 1 dummy |
| 02:32.19 | Neuro_Medivh | which build, and which class/level? |
| 02:32.26 | jaxdahl | dk, 80 |
| 02:32.35 | jaxdahl | the build they last had level 1 dummies in |
| 02:32.53 | jaxdahl | frost build iirc |
| 02:33.00 | jaxdahl | if not that, then blood |
| 02:33.12 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, that was the super-dps push |
| 02:33.32 | Neuro_Medivh | frost was getting like 7-8k crits |
| 02:33.47 | jaxdahl | i was hard pressed to get 1300 this last build as blood |
| 02:35.34 | ajmitch | 1300 sounds pretty abysmal |
| 02:35.54 | jaxdahl | yea, needs to be around 2k |
| 02:35.58 | jaxdahl | to be competitive for patchwerk |
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| 02:42.44 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh... looking like they removed Rune Strike |
| 02:43.17 | Antiarc | My rogue's only doing 5500 DPS on the dummies :( |
| 02:43.24 | Antiarc | IT MUST BE OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 02:44.56 | ccox | WTF - the mac beta client all of a sudden says it can't validate the game version |
| 02:48.42 | jaxdahl | that's normal |
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| 02:50.55 | alestane | Anyone have a Mac patch linked yet? I just tried to get it from the server and got the "unable to validate" issue. |
| 02:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me pull it real quick |
| 02:52.28 | Tem | do we have beta servers yet? |
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| 02:55.01 | ccox | alestane - time to put a post in the forums (I'm typing one now) |
| 02:55.08 | bleeter | Tem: nope |
| 02:56.10 | alestane | I don't care so much about logging in tonight, I'd just like to the the patch downloading and installing. |
| 02:56.28 | bleeter | wel,, not as far as I know... I can't login, get the validate error, too busy playing live atm to check deeper hehe |
| 02:57.32 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/OSX/torrents/8926-osx.torrent |
| 02:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 02:58.16 | alestane | Dankë |
| 02:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure thing |
| 02:58.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's enUS btw |
| 02:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I can pull enGB at request |
| 02:59.13 | alestane | 30% done already. |
| 03:00.24 | Fogger | can anyone reccomend a good diff viewer for windows? |
| 03:01.11 | ccox | Scytheblade - thanks, downloading it now |
| 03:01.14 | Cide | Beyond Compare if you want to spend some money (or try it out for free) |
| 03:01.19 | Cide | version 3 is apparently out now |
| 03:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure thing |
| 03:01.28 | ccox | Fogger - have you tried ExamDiff ? |
| 03:01.45 | Fogger | havent tried anything yet, thought I'd seek advice first & save my time :) |
| 03:02.01 | Cide | beyond compare is great |
| 03:02.12 | Cide | I don't know about ExamDiff, but BC's compare folder feature has saved me a lot of time |
| 03:02.26 | alestane | Kthx, night all. |
| 03:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | night |
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| 03:06.13 | ccox | alestane - you may need to chmod +x the installer binary after downloading (I did) |
| 03:10.09 | jaxdahl | maintenance window was 2:45-8:45 pacific, right? |
| 03:10.44 | erikd | according to what they said it should be up now |
| 03:11.15 | jaxdahl | it's 8:11 pacific |
| 03:11.20 | jaxdahl | still another half hour i think |
| 03:11.43 | smcn | sunwell radiance removed in 3.0.2 http://blue.mmo-champion.com/12/9679403166-has-sunwell-radiance-been-removed.html |
| 03:11.45 | erikd | servers went down at 2pm for 6 hours |
| 03:11.54 | erikd | 2pm pst |
| 03:14.25 | Tem | do we have beta servers yet? |
| 03:15.09 | smcn | still got invalid game version 2 minutes ago |
| 03:15.29 | jaxdahl | i'm still sitting on the realm screen |
| 03:15.33 | erikd | i'm crossing my fingers that this new patch fixes all the stability issues |
| 03:15.50 | Tem | they're getting close |
| 03:15.51 | Syzgyn | Oh my god @ Titan Grip nerf |
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| 03:16.03 | Tem | stability was pretty nice near the end of thist last cycle |
| 03:16.06 | erikd | they nerfed it? |
| 03:16.10 | Syzgyn | Titan's Grip (Tier 11) now reduces your chance to hit with melee abilities that require weapons by 15%. |
| 03:16.12 | erikd | i thought it was bad as it was |
| 03:16.15 | ajmitch | 15% chance to miss, that's painful |
| 03:16.27 | Syzgyn | Im not opposed to a higher miss chance |
| 03:16.31 | Syzgyn | but 15% is fucking stupid |
| 03:16.54 | Tem | ahahaha |
| 03:16.55 | Tem | awesome |
| 03:16.55 | ajmitch | and they keep buffing shield of righteousness for paladins |
| 03:16.56 | Syzgyn | That puts yellow attacks to a 26% chance to miss |
| 03:16.58 | Tem | suck it warriors |
| 03:17.11 | Syzgyn | so, now all our attacks have the same chance to miss |
| 03:17.21 | Syzgyn | Q_Q |
| 03:17.44 | jaxdahl | looks like obsidian sanctum 10/25 has feedback threads now |
| 03:18.05 | jaxdahl | up/oculus/azn/strat heroic too |
| 03:18.07 | Syzgyn | Is that Uludar? |
| 03:18.12 | smcn | from the sounds of it it's just a 1-boss encounter? |
| 03:18.21 | smcn | it's one of the doors under wyrmrest |
| 03:18.30 | ajmitch | another magtheridon? |
| 03:18.50 | jaxdahl | no smcn |
| 03:18.51 | jaxdahl | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.51 | jaxdahl | Sartharion the Onyx Guardian |
| 03:18.51 | jaxdahl | Shadron |
| 03:18.51 | jaxdahl | Tenebron |
| 03:18.57 | smcn | ah |
| 03:18.58 | Syzgyn | I thought that was the Chamber of Aspects |
| 03:18.59 | jaxdahl | twilight drakes |
| 03:19.14 | smcn | Syzgyn: it is |
| 03:19.17 | Syzgyn | Aha |
| 03:19.20 | Syzgyn | so not uludar |
| 03:19.47 | smcn | "The Obsidian Sanctum, also referred to as Chamber of Aspects: Black" |
| 03:19.55 | smcn | that's racist! |
| 03:20.16 | Syzgyn | lulz |
| 03:20.25 | Syzgyn | Are storm peaks and icecrown up now? |
| 03:20.37 | erikd | probably until they crash the server |
| 03:20.39 | erikd | :) |
| 03:20.42 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 03:21.01 | smcn | servers are still down |
| 03:21.15 | smcn | at least ehy haven't been updated to the latest build |
| 03:22.11 | smcn | good thing i was quick about copying characters from my second account, wait time is up to 2 days |
| 03:22.32 | Syzgyn | Ah |
| 03:22.33 | erikd | i got my warrior in when it was at 1 day |
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| 03:23.09 | Fogger | said one day for me yet all my chars were copied in about 10mins. |
| 03:24.44 | Dashkal | meh, my launcher isn't getting the new downloader. anybody have a us link? |
| 03:24.50 | Dashkal | (beta) |
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| 03:25.24 | Fogger | Beyond Compare provides a fancy view of diff files right, not just the ability to compare files? |
| 03:28.11 | Dashkal | There we go! Logging in finally gave me the downloader instead of |
| 03:28.18 | Dashkal | "Cannot validate game version" |
| 03:28.45 | Fogger | getting stuck at "Handshaking" on EU |
| 03:31.08 | Tem | do we have servers yet? |
| 03:37.10 | jaxdahl | not seeing anything on US yet |
| 03:39.46 | smcn | yup no more invalid game version but server list empty |
| 03:40.05 | Syzgyn | They'll prolly be up soon |
| 03:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, this tiny python script is win |
| 03:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It pulls the beta patches for me at stupid awesome speeds |
| 03:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And assembles them |
| 03:43.49 | jaxdahl | what's wrong with wget and cat? |
| 03:43.57 | jaxdahl | :) |
| 03:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Multiple pieces on the HD |
| 03:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 03:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That could be simplified actually |
| 03:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | -O - >> file |
| 03:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 03:44.35 | jaxdahl | what's that? |
| 03:44.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bash magic |
| 03:45.43 | jaxdahl | cna you break it down for me please? |
| 03:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | output the data to the standard output and redirect standard output to append to a file |
| 03:47.01 | jaxdahl | well, what happens if wget misses a file for some reason? |
| 03:47.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you're screwed |
| 03:48.00 | ajmitch | care to share the script? |
| 03:48.15 | jaxdahl | is it possible to stitch the files in-place? with some filesystem mangling |
| 03:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I could but I won't, and my reason for that is simple |
| 03:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | They don't advertise this, it takes quite a bit of knowledge how to get to it, and likewise if you can figure it out great |
| 03:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I use it to throw files up my on server and share with others |
| 03:54.25 | erikd | can you use it to make full patch executables instead of just deltas? |
| 03:54.58 | jaxdahl | no |
| 03:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I use it to make full pathes and not deltas :) |
| 03:55.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why I'm not sharing, it's more or less an alternate method of distribution that they don't distrivute |
| 03:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | *distribute |
| 03:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | only s/distribute/advertise/ |
| 03:56.19 | jaxdahl | realms still not up |
| 03:58.20 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679403166&pageNo=1&sid=2000#4 -- sunwell radiance being removed when tanking gear changes ? |
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| 04:06.04 | Tem | okay, that was the funniest EoTS ever |
| 04:06.15 | Tem | this horde was bringing us the flag |
| 04:06.44 | Tem | do we have beta servers yet? |
| 04:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 04:10.57 | Tem | :( |
| 04:15.46 | Syzgyn | http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=1830 wow |
| 04:20.48 | erikd | that's crazy |
| 04:22.22 | Shirik | nevcairiel: ping |
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| 04:26.30 | jaxdahl | realms still not showing up for me |
| 04:27.33 | Tem | do we have servers yet? |
| 04:28.35 | Duman | nope |
| 04:28.57 | Tem | :( |
| 04:29.00 | Tem | for why |
| 04:29.09 | Duman | patch is too awesome |
| 04:29.13 | Tem | they're an hour and a half late |
| 04:29.20 | jaxdahl | 45 minutes |
| 04:29.44 | Fogger | It amazes me they manage to bodge the servers into a working state at all :P |
| 04:29.46 | jaxdahl | window started at 2:45, 6 hour long window, 8:45 pacific, it's 9:30 pacific |
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| 04:30.33 | Syzgyn | Obviously something didnt go perfectly |
| 04:30.45 | jaxdahl | they were doing maintenance too during the window |
| 04:30.51 | jaxdahl | could just be taking a bit longer than expected |
| 04:31.48 | Neuro_Medivh | This is unacceptable! I will demand my beta money back! |
| 04:32.03 | WobWork | Sure |
| 04:32.10 | WobWork | Just send me a processing fee, and I'll get right on it |
| 04:32.43 | Seerah | I will refund you 200% of your beta money for a $5 processing fee |
| 04:32.52 | Seerah | :p |
| 04:33.07 | Dashkal | oh lovely. They nerfed DKs further into the ground |
| 04:33.11 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 04:33.20 | Neuro_Medivh | but we're just whiners apparently |
| 04:33.27 | Dashkal | from kinda low to useless now |
| 04:33.38 | Neuro_Medivh | DKs were obviously doing 2-3 times the dps of all other classes |
| 04:33.46 | NeoTron | hmm... "Surrounds the caster with fel energy, increasing spell power by 180 plus additional spell power equal to 30% of your Spirit. In addition, you regain 2% of your maximum health every 5 sec. Only one type of Armor spell can be active on the Warlock at any time. Lasts 30 min. " |
| 04:33.49 | Neuro_Medivh | so they deserved it |
| 04:33.51 | NeoTron | so... wtf |
| 04:33.56 | Dashkal | *shrugs* they buff them or they see their shiny new class go unplayed. |
| 04:34.00 | NeoTron | now all we get from spirit is 30% of it as spell dmg |
| 04:34.23 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: wtf....... |
| 04:34.24 | smcn | isn't life tap spirit-based? |
| 04:35.03 | NeoTron | yes |
| 04:35.05 | NeoTron | it is |
| 04:35.18 | NeoTron | but... nor egen while casting is retarded change |
| 04:35.18 | Arrowmaster | it was, but imho it want very important at the time |
| 04:35.46 | Arrowmaster | health regen is a fucking retarded stat |
| 04:35.50 | Arrowmaster | its 100% useless in raids |
| 04:36.14 | NeoTron | 99% useless |
| 04:36.20 | NeoTron | sometimes in muru I would have liked having it |
| 04:36.29 | NeoTron | and other heavy raid dmg fights |
| 04:36.37 | NeoTron | but certainly much rather would take a mana regen |
| 04:36.43 | NeoTron | soul leech was changed to 2% of your max mana too |
| 04:36.52 | NeoTron | rather than being based on damage |
| 04:37.19 | NeoTron | and dark pact was nerfed down to 100% again |
| 04:38.33 | Neuro_Medivh | So if you have 10k health, you get 200 every 5 seconds? That's not that bad really |
| 04:39.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah sounds like i want to quit the game again |
| 04:39.27 | jaxdahl | preemptive 'no Tem, they are not up yet' |
| 04:39.37 | Tem | wow |
| 04:39.40 | Tem | we just got out of AB |
| 04:39.46 | Tem | I was about to tab over and ask again |
| 04:39.48 | bleeter | Tem: Are we there yet? |
| 04:39.52 | jaxdahl | i'm psychic |
| 04:40.21 | Tekkub | Tem, they're up now |
| 04:40.28 | Tem | Tekkub, oh? |
| 04:40.29 | Tekkub | everyone else, not really |
| 04:40.34 | smcn | lol |
| 04:40.45 | bleeter | hehe |
| 04:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | and now to do something stupid |
| 04:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely write a threaded python script |
| 04:44.10 | Syzgyn | Servers up? |
| 04:45.03 | NightHawkTheSane | no Tem^WSyzgyn |
| 04:45.11 | Syzgyn | bwha? |
| 04:45.22 | jaxdahl | servers will be back up when the LHC destroys the world |
| 04:45.25 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 04:45.44 | Jamash | they're not even colliding particles till next month |
| 04:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ ^WSyzgyn |
| 04:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
| 04:46.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Gordon Freeman will save us |
| 04:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: ;) |
| 04:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I lol'd, I won't lie |
| 04:47.06 | Syzgyn | I dont get it :( |
| 04:47.21 | Jamash | Tem keeps asking |
| 04:47.31 | Jamash | ^W stands for "delete last word" |
| 04:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ^W = ctrl+W = on *nix clients, "erase the last word" |
| 04:47.34 | jaxdahl | and they're going up to 10 TeV max this year |
| 04:47.41 | jaxdahl | 14 TeV will be next year |
| 04:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | If I type "asdf" and hit ctrl+W, then "asdf" will disappear |
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| 04:48.04 | jaxdahl | ^H is very commonly used on slashdot |
| 04:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:48.18 | Jamash | turns out that in Pidgin ^W is "close window" |
| 04:48.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but i would have had to type more ^H's than ^Ws |
| 04:48.32 | jaxdahl | ^U erases the line, very useful for irc when someone beats you to saying something |
| 04:48.50 | Seerah | rofl @ Jamash |
| 04:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl+W in a lot of things is close window |
| 04:49.49 | jaxdahl | what does alt+f4 do for you? |
| 04:50.02 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.04 | Shirik | ctrl+f4 = close window |
| 04:50.08 | Shirik | rawr |
| 04:50.14 | Jamash | TRY IT |
| 04:50.38 | jaxdahl | does logging in currently work? |
| 04:50.49 | jaxdahl | i've been looking at the realm screen for over 2 hours |
| 04:51.39 | Seerah | servers are down |
| 04:51.39 | Jamash | no Tem^WSyzgyn^Wjaxdahl |
| 04:52.22 | ScytheBlade1 | CAN WE HAS SERVERZ? |
| 04:52.31 | NeoTron | man they give use some nice lock changes last night, gets us happy |
| 04:52.36 | Tem | they up yet? |
| 04:52.37 | NeoTron | and today they gut us |
| 04:52.39 | NeoTron | nice stuff |
| 04:52.41 | jaxdahl | no tem |
| 04:52.43 | Tem | :( |
| 04:53.23 | jaxdahl | gonna wait another 7 minutes then crash to bed |
| 04:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally just wrote a threaded python script to download wow patches faster |
| 04:53.41 | bleeter | <WeveSeenBewbsIRL> |
| 04:55.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: freak. |
| 04:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I know. |
| 04:57.40 | Thunder_Child | totally? w/e valley girl |
| 04:57.41 | Neuro_Medivh | icanhazbetaserver? |
| 04:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course |
| 04:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | TypeError: 'int' object is not callable |
| 04:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea where I'm trying to call an itn.. |
| 04:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *int |
| 04:58.08 | smcn | wewt new ep of mythbusters on rss, i bet the servers will still be done by the time i finish it |
| 04:58.15 | smcn | s/done/down |
| 04:58.16 | Dashkal | Well, this PC is already infected with SecuROM thanks to Crysis. I think I'll go play spore for a week :p |
| 04:58.52 | Thunder_Child | you make it sound like a viruos |
| 04:58.56 | Thunder_Child | virus* |
| 04:58.59 | jaxdahl | it is. |
| 04:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | thats about how long it'll take to get bored of it anyway, Dashkal ;) |
| 04:59.15 | Dashkal | Then it's win :p |
| 05:00.36 | Tem | servers? |
| 05:01.09 | Tem | =P |
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| 05:03.08 | jaxdahl | that's it for me.. good night |
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| 05:10.17 | smcn | still down tem |
| 05:10.24 | Tem | lol |
| 05:10.27 | Tem | good timing again |
| 05:10.30 | Tem | we just won eots |
| 05:10.36 | smcn | i figured |
| 05:10.40 | smcn | just checked myself |
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| 05:11.23 | Thunder_Child | ofc it would also me very amusing to keep telling Tem it's down regardless |
| 05:11.31 | Thunder_Child | s/me/be/ |
| 05:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: I totally see what you mean by self. abuse in python |
| 05:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha. |
| 05:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally have a multithreaded patch downloader in python. |
| 05:15.41 | Jamash | why not just use wget? |
| 05:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis 'threaded' |
| 05:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I was using wget |
| 05:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I got tired of checking my bash history and plugging in build numbers |
| 05:16.45 | Jamash | ah |
| 05:17.51 | Tekkub | o/~ maybe I'm a lion q/~ |
| 05:17.57 | Tekkub | s/q/o/ |
| 05:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe you're a freak. |
| 05:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, why in the world is python naming my files after my threads. |
| 05:19.14 | Jamash | haha |
| 05:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW-3.0.2.8905-to-3.0.2.8926-enUS-patch.exe-<bound method Download.start of <Download(Thread-1, started)>> |
| 05:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 05:19.26 | smcn | lol |
| 05:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | What kind of file name is that, and why was it not renamed back to what I told it to be named when the thread finished? |
| 05:20.33 | Tem | servers? |
| 05:20.37 | Tekkub | no |
| 05:20.40 | Tem | :( |
| 05:20.44 | Tekkub | every 10 damn minutes |
| 05:20.45 | Tem | well at least I'm wracking up honor |
| 05:21.03 | smcn | i have realm list open in windowed mode, i'll post asap when they're up |
| 05:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | this is a disturbingly amusing game.. http://escape-game.com/dak_en.html |
| 05:21.29 | Tekkub | too bad you have to pvp to get honor |
| 05:21.37 | Tekkub | and you can only get pvp gear with it |
| 05:21.41 | Tekkub | oh... wait.. |
| 05:22.11 | Thunder_Child | lol, i'm watching a show talking about space and the announcer said "is there intelligent life out there?" sadly, my first thought was "there isnt any intelligent life down here" |
| 05:22.38 | Jamash | according to spore there's a ton of life out there |
| 05:23.06 | Tekkub | but all of spore's life are penis-creatures |
| 05:23.07 | Thunder_Child | according to spore, there are no humans |
| 05:23.19 | Jamash | well then |
| 05:23.29 | Tekkub | according to spore, evolution isn't a lie |
| 05:24.29 | erikd | according to spore, biology is boring |
| 05:24.43 | Tekkub | that's no lie |
| 05:24.47 | Tekkub | totally boring |
| 05:25.03 | erikd | i got sick of spore after like 4 hours |
| 05:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, time to see how fast I can pull this patch down |
| 05:25.10 | Jamash | no way, biology is bitchin', it's civilization that's boring |
| 05:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay really freaking fast |
| 05:25.39 | Tekkub | but civilization is just biology with verbal language |
| 05:26.18 | Tekkub | hot diggity damn, using git to backup my files onto my server kicks ass |
| 05:26.40 | Tekkub | easier than any old "incremental backup" bullshit I've tried to use before |
| 05:27.34 | Jamash | I should set up a git repository for my addon work |
| 05:27.38 | Jamash | but I'm too lazy |
| 05:27.38 | smcn | servers up |
| 05:28.03 | Syzgyn | woo |
| 05:28.03 | Tekkub | Jamash, github, it's too simple for lazy to be an excuse |
| 05:28.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ssh, don't tell t-e-m. |
| 05:28.17 | Jamash | TOO LAZY |
| 05:28.18 | Tekkub | he'll ask in 2 minutes |
| 05:28.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 1m2s to download 100MB |
| 05:28.30 | NightHawkTheSane | and we'll say "no" ;) |
| 05:28.37 | Tekkub | so true |
| 05:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | omg! |
| 05:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | they fixed the midsummer achievements.. |
| 05:30.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ol @ t-e-m |
| 05:30.41 | Tekkub | he's late |
| 05:30.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: well, you know, pinging and such ;) |
| 05:30.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 05:31.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, are the servers up? |
| 05:31.06 | Tekkub | must be a turtling WSG |
| 05:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I also like this multithreaded python script that can pull down a 200MB patch in ~1 minute |
| 05:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Go me |
| 05:31.34 | Tem | dunno |
| 05:31.36 | Tem | eots |
| 05:31.36 | Fisker- | oh fuck you blizzard |
| 05:31.40 | Fisker- | how dare you nerf holy paladins |
| 05:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to figure out the proper way to spawn the proper number of threads |
| 05:31.48 | Tekkub | oh it's a long eots then |
| 05:32.01 | Tem | finally |
| 05:32.03 | Tem | okay |
| 05:32.04 | Tem | so |
| 05:32.05 | Tem | servers? |
| 05:32.07 | Tekkub | no |
| 05:32.17 | Tekkub | you're 2 min late |
| 05:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:27 < smcn> servers up |
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| 05:33.12 | Neuro_Medivh | lovely.. "Error retrieving character list" |
| 05:33.23 | Tekkub | like I said, "no" |
| 05:33.45 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i'm in game. *shrug* |
| 05:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm liking the prot pally changes. |
| 05:34.21 | Fisker- | paladins always gotta get shafted though |
| 05:35.39 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 05:35.44 | Fisker- | you gotta be fucking kidding |
| 05:35.50 | Fisker- | blessing of kings is now 5 talent points |
| 05:35.52 | Tem | wtb character list |
| 05:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ... @ 5 |
| 05:36.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What are the individual ranks? |
| 05:36.15 | Fisker- | guess |
| 05:36.17 | Fisker- | 2->10% |
| 05:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: 2/4/6/8/10% |
| 05:36.24 | ScytheBlade1 | gfg |
| 05:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that change kinda sucks.. |
| 05:36.41 | NightHawkTheSane | but *shrug* |
| 05:36.56 | NightHawkTheSane | for non-prot pallies it's still less of an investment to pick up kings now than it was before |
| 05:36.56 | Fisker- | atleast it's tier 1 though |
| 05:37.11 | NightHawkTheSane | for prot pallies.. *shrug* they'd rather be using sanctuary anyhow |
| 05:37.54 | NightHawkTheSane | and, you don't HAVE to spend all 5 points, you can spend 1-4, sure it'll do less, but it's also less talent points. |
| 05:38.13 | smcn | it's the same thing they did with ruin |
| 05:38.45 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 05:39.06 | Fisker- | Anyone know if Benediction really is 10% off all instants? |
| 05:39.22 | Fisker- | *hopes it works with instant cast holy lights hoho* |
| 05:39.36 | Tekkub | "Use: Doesn't do anything. Sorry. DO NOT LOCALIZE!" |
| 05:39.44 | smcn | lol |
| 05:39.55 | Tekkub | take that [Glyph of Blessing of Wisdom] |
| 05:40.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: it -says- reduces mana cost of all instants by 10%. don't if that would apply to a reduced-to-instant-cast spell or not |
| 05:40.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: lol |
| 05:40.21 | Fisker- | probably only base instant cast spells |
| 05:40.47 | NightHawkTheSane | what would give you instant holy lights? |
| 05:40.48 | Fisker- | also mad they nerfed our spellpower talent |
| 05:40.55 | Fisker- | crit holy shocks |
| 05:41.01 | Fisker- | It's a new talent |
| 05:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, infusion of light + light's grace? |
| 05:41.49 | Fisker- | no just infusion of light |
| 05:41.56 | Fisker- | holy light is only 2.5 secs cast |
| 05:42.02 | NightHawkTheSane | that just says reduces cast time by 1.25s.. |
| 05:42.11 | Fisker- | it has 2 ranks |
| 05:42.15 | Fisker- | 1.25+1.25 = 2.50 |
| 05:42.16 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, so it does.. |
| 05:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i can try and test that out in a moment |
| 05:43.10 | Fisker- | WAT |
| 05:43.14 | Fisker- | my death knight is nude |
| 05:43.19 | Fisker- | they better not have deleted my gear |
| 05:43.21 | Jamash | hot |
| 05:43.46 | Tekkub | well cool, some glyphs got icons, inks got new icons... but the placeholder recipes didn't get fixed |
| 05:43.46 | smcn | aw, gift of the earthmother nerfed :( |
| 05:43.57 | Tekkub | and no DK/warrior glyphs on the trainer |
| 05:46.58 | Fisker- | well atleast dk's got nerfed again |
| 05:47.06 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. when did sylvannas get a model update? |
| 05:47.14 | Fisker- | Which is odd considering that currently they're not even dishing out level 70 worthy dps |
| 05:47.59 | Fisker- | atleast my pvp gear i bugged so i'm half naked |
| 05:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, doing a binary search in two directions at once kinda sucks to code |
| 05:49.10 | smcn | genesis and nature's splendor still not sticking :( |
| 05:50.02 | Tem | servers working yet? |
| 05:50.11 | smcn | they have been? |
| 05:50.33 | Tem | when I last tried I couldn't get server list |
| 05:50.34 | Tem | er |
| 05:50.36 | Tem | char list |
| 05:51.02 | Tem | Fisker-, DKs nerfed again? |
| 05:51.06 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: no, benediction does not apply to instantified holy lights. |
| 05:52.37 | Tem | . . . |
| 05:52.57 | Fisker- | aww |
| 05:53.10 | Fisker- | Anyways pestilence damage was lowered across all ranks |
| 05:54.56 | smcn | heh, fall of humanity is getting replaced already |
| 05:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | shock |
| 05:55.08 | smcn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679753606&pageNo=3&sid=2000#54 |
| 05:55.49 | Syzgyn | Wait |
| 05:55.53 | smcn | so i'm assuming with that change to shadowmeld they'll be removing water from arenas, otherwise afk rerolling night elf |
| 05:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | nooooooo @ 3m CD on Shadowmeld |
| 05:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Q_Q |
| 05:56.02 | Syzgyn | so Nightelves are getting FD |
| 05:56.12 | Syzgyn | And Humans get a PvP trinket |
| 05:56.19 | Syzgyn | but it shares a CD with the PvP trinket |
| 05:56.23 | Syzgyn | . . . |
| 05:56.32 | Jamash | that's dumb |
| 05:56.36 | smcn | syz, frees up a trinket slot |
| 05:56.39 | smcn | i'd take that |
| 05:56.47 | Syzgyn | I'd rather have FT |
| 05:56.49 | Syzgyn | FD |
| 05:56.55 | Syzgyn | but you're right, it is a trinket slot |
| 05:57.48 | Fisker- | good thing they got a clue with the whole wtf human op shit |
| 05:58.00 | Fisker- | remove fd though |
| 05:58.02 | Fisker- | do not want |
| 05:58.47 | Syzgyn | why not? |
| 05:58.58 | Fisker- | op of course |
| 05:59.21 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 06:00.56 | Fisker- | i wish horde got good racials :I |
| 06:01.47 | Tekkub | new Tauren racial: Cockblock |
| 06:02.01 | Tekkub | new Tauren racial: Cockparry - hell, while we're at it... |
| 06:02.05 | Fisker- | the raid boss is so scared Stanzilla |
| 06:02.11 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 06:02.49 | smcn | cockparry and cockdodge, would be very good skills if you ever went to prison lol amirite? don't forget to tip your waitress |
| 06:03.07 | Syzgyn | Did they fix all the video settings getting reverted? |
| 06:03.29 | Fisker- | I think they actually should go back to those human racials in the last patch |
| 06:03.40 | erikd | i think so syz |
| 06:03.41 | Fisker- | and then undead should get "Hey we were human once"-racial which gives you all human racials |
| 06:03.46 | erikd | and storm peaks is open |
| 06:03.50 | erikd | for now |
| 06:03.51 | Syzgyn | Huzza! |
| 06:03.56 | Syzgyn | What about Icecrown? |
| 06:04.00 | Fisker- | and then blood elves should get "Well we know a blood elf that were undead, so plz giev" |
| 06:04.02 | erikd | about to try that |
| 06:04.08 | Fisker- | that is undead of course |
| 06:04.11 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 06:04.11 | erikd | i wanted to check storm peaks before i got sent to tundra :) |
| 06:04.27 | Fisker- | and taurens should get "But we're trying to make things right for the undead" |
| 06:04.29 | Syzgyn | I'll check icecrown then :P |
| 06:04.45 | Fisker- | orcs should get "Well we invited them" |
| 06:05.05 | Syzgyn | ...or I can get immediately DC'd before loading in |
| 06:05.13 | erikd | it's open |
| 06:05.17 | erikd | i'm flying in it |
| 06:05.21 | Syzgyn | Hawt |
| 06:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 06:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | This recursion is getting stupid |
| 06:05.58 | Fisker- | no u |
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| 06:12.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ha got it |
| 06:13.26 | Fisker- | i got you |
| 06:14.10 | Tekkub | dear Blizzy, why are people dueling in Dalaran? Pls fix, k? |
| 06:18.26 | Arrowmaster | dear blizzy, who fucked up the class changes this beta patch? we want to lynch them, k? |
| 06:18.47 | smcn | they refuse to fix dueling in ironforge, doubt it will be any different with dalaran |
| 06:20.01 | Fisker- | k Arrowmaster |
| 06:20.03 | Fisker- | k to the max |
| 06:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | smcn: dueling has been fixed |
| 06:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | (in IF) |
| 06:20.21 | ScytheBlade1 | At least behind the pillar next to the bank |
| 06:20.29 | Tekkub | my god, I hate the new tavern music |
| 06:20.42 | Fisker- | o only taken them 4 years ScytheBlade1? >:3 |
| 06:21.03 | Fisker- | dalaran dueling to be fixed for the next elections then |
| 06:21.04 | Fisker- | wewt |
| 06:21.17 | Syzgyn | Crap, I just got DC'd while falling down a big hole |
| 06:21.40 | Arrowmaster | seriously whos retarded idea was this? |
| 06:21.42 | Arrowmaster | Shadow Embrace (Tier 5) changed - Your Shadow Bolt and Haunt spells apply the Shadow Embrace effect, increasing all periodic damage dealt to the target by you by 1/2%, and reduces all periodic healing done to the target by 3/6%. Lasts for 12 sec. Stacks up to 2 times. |
| 06:22.11 | Tem | sounds pretty OP to me |
| 06:22.41 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster atleast you don't got 5 point blessing of kings now >:3 |
| 06:22.48 | Arrowmaster | so true |
| 06:22.52 | Mike-N-Go | Tem: Did you not hear of the bug of some warlock talent with the T5 bonus? |
| 06:22.58 | Stanzilla | ..or all your dps removed |
| 06:23.06 | Tem | Mike-N-Go, I did hear of it |
| 06:23.14 | Tem | was pretty amusing |
| 06:23.34 | Tem | the bug was everlasting affliction |
| 06:23.39 | Fisker- | also nice that they nerfed our spell power talent >:3 |
| 06:24.05 | Arrowmaster | Mage (Skills List / Talent Calc. (8926)) |
| 06:24.05 | Arrowmaster | No changes. |
| 06:24.16 | Arrowmaster | so who got the most buffs this patch? |
| 06:24.19 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/08/08/warlock-talent-plus-tier-5-set-bonus-equals-56-million-dps/ |
| 06:24.30 | Syzgyn | D-d-d-d-down |
| 06:24.30 | erikd | and after i got raped by guards i got raped by northrend >< |
| 06:24.34 | Arrowmaster | Mike-N-Go: seriously thats so fucking old |
| 06:24.35 | Dashkal | This zone is amazing |
| 06:24.39 | erikd | yeah |
| 06:24.43 | Dashkal | You want to find your way down, Syzgyn :p |
| 06:24.47 | Syzgyn | I will |
| 06:25.04 | Mike-N-Go | Arrowmaster: If that is old, you must be.. ancient. |
| 06:25.04 | erikd | i want to finish sholazar and storm peaks so i can go quest down there |
| 06:25.08 | Dashkal | I stripped naked during the fall thinking I was gonna splatter. Imagine my surprise when I hit water |
| 06:25.20 | Dashkal | I'm gonna head back to shol shortly |
| 06:25.27 | Arrowmaster | Mike-N-Go: its from the beginning of beta, everybody should have known about it by now |
| 06:25.29 | Dashkal | Once I find the way out of there and I've got a good look at the citidel |
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| 06:27.38 | Syzgyn | 10g says Icecrown and Storm peaks are closed when the server comes back up |
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| 06:31.33 | Tekkub | nah, it'll take em a few hours to *make sure it's them* |
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| 06:35.15 | erikd | Gift of the Earthmother (Tier 10) changed to - Reduces the base global cooldown of your Rejuvenation and Lifebloom spells by 2/4/6/8/10%, and causes your Healing Touch and Nourish spells to refund 1/2/3/4/5% of their base cost for each healing over time effect on the target. |
| 06:35.19 | erikd | laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame |
| 06:35.26 | erikd | wtb .5s back |
| 06:38.04 | smcn | new title "Champion of the Frozen Wastes", requires each northrend heroic and naxx (10 OR 25) + the new raid (10 OR 25 ) |
| 06:38.55 | smcn | or is it not new? i don't pay attention |
| 06:41.10 | smcn | ROFL |
| 06:41.27 | smcn | "Keleseth, No Frost Tomb <PH>" description: "sdfsdfsdfsdf" |
| 06:41.46 | Tekkub | someone needs to learn homerow |
| 06:41.54 | Tekkub | that should be "asdfasdfasdf" |
| 06:42.05 | smcn | indubitably |
| 06:42.07 | Fisker- | WHY |
| 06:42.08 | Fisker- | THE |
| 06:42.09 | Fisker- | FUCK |
| 06:42.16 | smcn | cuz |
| 06:42.21 | Fisker- | they put a fucking level requirement on scroll of recall |
| 06:42.45 | Fisker- | why are blizzard so bald etc |
| 06:47.26 | Mike-N-Go | Fisker-: That be a level maximum. |
| 06:48.31 | smcn | it's still a requirement.. requires you to be under 50 :P |
| 06:50.30 | Mike-N-Go | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=37118 |
| 06:51.32 | Mike-N-Go | I was making note of the text, "Use: Returns you to <Home>. Only works up to level 50. (15 Min Cooldown)" Unlike most item level requirements, this is maximum. |
| 06:51.48 | Syzgyn | Boo |
| 06:52.33 | Fisker- | i hate blizzard |
| 06:52.37 | Fisker- | and also you Mike-N-Go |
| 06:52.43 | Fisker- | especially you |
| 06:52.53 | zenzio | "Also reduces your chance to hit with melee abilities that require weapons by -15%"... doesn't reducing by a negative amount add? |
| 06:53.10 | Mike-N-Go | Fisker-: May you back up your statement with a logical argument? |
| 06:53.11 | NightHawkTheSane | probably just poor wording. |
| 06:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: no, he won't, don't worry. :) |
| 06:53.36 | Mike-N-Go | NightHawkTheSane: My point exactly. |
| 06:53.59 | Fisker- | didn't know you needed a logical argument to hate someone |
| 06:53.59 | Syzgyn | zenzio: Abilities start at a 9% miss rate |
| 06:54.08 | Syzgyn | it moves it to a 26% miss rate |
| 06:54.15 | Syzgyn | any hit you have reduces that |
| 06:54.30 | zenzio | Syzgyn: I realize the actual effect, I was pointint out the wording, as NightHawk said |
| 06:54.45 | Syzgyn | Ah |
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| 06:56.32 | Mike-N-Go | zenzio: That is how tooltips could be worded, for some reason, they mix the wording with the actual math to be done (IE: Add a negative number to something), making one who reads said tooltip to be perplexed. |
| 06:57.19 | Mike-N-Go | Fisker-: If you do not have a logical argument as to why you hate one, then another need not value your hateful statement. |
| 06:58.09 | Fisker- | i don't have to decide whether or not another one has to hate you |
| 06:59.52 | Fisker- | NICE |
| 07:00.01 | Fisker- | tailorers get a skill that increases cloth drops |
| 07:00.04 | Fisker- | fuck inscription then |
| 07:00.17 | Fisker- | if they're going to put level requirements on my HS they can go to hell |
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| 07:03.55 | Mike-N-Go | Fisker-: Remember, you are the one who decides to renew the subscription. |
| 07:05.44 | Fisker- | What has subscription have to do with this? |
| 07:07.31 | smcn | so, outlands world server is going down now |
| 07:07.40 | smcn | is northrend stable? |
| 07:08.48 | Esamynn | when is it ever stable? :P |
| 07:09.01 | Tekkub | two months after release |
| 07:09.19 | Mike-N-Go | You are a customer, you chose to pay for the service, Fisker. |
| 07:09.20 | smcn | well i mean, i've never known the outlands world server to crash |
| 07:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yay |
| 07:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I can go to sleep now that my script works |
| 07:13.43 | Esamynn | I would like to say that being dismounted while flying over some buildings is NOT fun |
| 07:15.06 | Syzgyn | Try getting dismounted while flying over massive pits |
| 07:15.21 | Syzgyn | Then you rez, and you're still in a pit you cant get out of |
| 07:15.24 | Esamynn | no thanks :P |
| 07:15.28 | Esamynn | oh yuck |
| 07:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 75% downloaded.. |
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| 07:18.31 | Fisker- | so heroic raids |
| 07:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: just finished writing a dynamically threaded python app that searches for and automatically downloads and assembles patches. Win. |
| 07:20.01 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 07:21.33 | Fisker- | i hate you world server |
| 07:23.14 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:25.09 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: hehe |
| 07:25.15 | Esamynn | the new upper limit on the farclip cvar is awesome! =D |
| 07:25.26 | Esamynn | I just wish it was larger! :) |
| 07:27.41 | Duman | ARGH |
| 07:27.44 | Syzgyn | ....Did I just crash the server? |
| 07:27.49 | Duman | ~fail World Server |
| 07:27.50 | purl | You suck at everything in life, World Server. I hate you because you fail. |
| 07:28.00 | Esamynn | ~lart duman |
| 07:28.00 | purl | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses duman's head to break the homerun record |
| 07:28.06 | Duman | LOL |
| 07:28.07 | Syzgyn | Or is it just a conicidence I got those achievements at the same time |
| 07:31.41 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 07:31.42 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
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| 07:38.48 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning |
| 07:39.13 | clad|sleep | ~roulette |
| 07:39.14 | purl | ACTION watches clad|sleep pull the trigger: Click! |
| 07:39.45 | clad|sleep | someone wants to know if I'll write Clique for WAR |
| 07:39.46 | clad|sleep | O.o |
| 07:40.02 | smcn | but thatz cheatin!!!!!!!!11111 |
| 07:40.32 | Duman | I took a screenshot of that item |
| 07:40.55 | Syzgyn | Cool |
| 07:41.10 | cladhaire | Hurray for the Shadowmeld change! |
| 07:41.43 | Esamynn | hmm? |
| 07:41.50 | cladhaire | "Shadowmeld: Activate to slip into the shadows, reducing the chance for enemies to detect your presence. Lasts until cancelled or upon moving. Any threat is restored versus enemies still in combat upon cancellation of this effect." |
| 07:41.51 | cladhaire | Yes, it can be used in combat. Yes, the effect is very similar to what was previously "The Fall of Humanity". The cooldown is 3 min. |
| 07:42.06 | cladhaire | we get the feign death instead of humans |
| 07:42.09 | Duman | oh shit |
| 07:42.19 | Duman | interesting |
| 07:42.25 | Esamynn | did they kill the old shadowmeld? |
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| 07:42.28 | batrick | fall of humanity was a stupid idea |
| 07:42.29 | batrick | imo |
| 07:42.31 | cladhaire | it was |
| 07:42.35 | cladhaire | I wonder if I can shadowmeld |
| 07:42.40 | cladhaire | and as a result (6 seconds later) go out of combat |
| 07:42.51 | Duman | lol |
| 07:43.25 | Duman | syz: http://i37.tinypic.com/23mu9zk.jpg |
| 07:44.00 | Duman | I coulnd't paste the link tho |
| 07:44.05 | Tekkub | there's finally a BtA item eh? |
| 07:44.10 | Duman | so I wonder if he was making items up or something |
| 07:44.22 | Tekkub | the localized string's been in the UI for a few builds |
| 07:44.22 | Duman | but it had an icon |
| 07:44.27 | Duman | oh? hmm |
| 07:44.29 | Duman | interesting |
| 07:44.30 | Tekkub | yea |
| 07:44.45 | Duman | they should have made goddamn BoJ's bind to account |
| 07:45.11 | Tekkub | yea, hell just make tokens account-wide |
| 07:45.18 | Tekkub | for that faction/server of course |
| 07:45.26 | Tekkub | then you could grind tokens on any toon |
| 07:45.37 | Tekkub | raid tokens would never be wasted, ever |
| 07:46.18 | Fisker- | holy mother of god |
| 07:46.19 | Duman | yeah taht really burned me up, too |
| 07:46.35 | Duman | it wa slike "I wanna bring my rogue"... "but we need a healer".. "ok, I'll bring my priest" |
| 07:46.38 | Duman | ... and guess what drops |
| 07:47.11 | Tekkub | assloads of Badges you don't need :P |
| 07:47.16 | Duman | that, too :) |
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| 07:47.32 | Fisker- | Someone is insane in this country |
| 07:47.38 | Tekkub | no more needing to "gear up alts"... the main could still go and be able to supplement an alt |
| 07:47.45 | Fisker- | They want to make mandatory pc checks |
| 07:47.47 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 07:47.56 | Esamynn | pc checks? |
| 07:48.14 | Fisker- | for antivirus etc. |
| 07:48.21 | Fisker- | and of course malware etc. |
| 07:48.25 | Duman | whoa |
| 07:48.26 | Tekkub | lol |
| 07:48.29 | Duman | they are changing human racials AGAIN |
| 07:48.30 | Esamynn | oh |
| 07:48.34 | Esamynn | that's going a little far |
| 07:48.42 | Tekkub | Fisker-, China by chance? |
| 07:48.45 | Fisker- | nah |
| 07:48.46 | Fisker- | Denmark |
| 07:48.50 | Duman | "Every Man for Himself": Removes all movement impairing effects and all effects which cause loss of control of your character. This effect shares a cooldown with other similar effects. |
| 07:48.53 | Fisker- | But they fail |
| 07:48.54 | Tekkub | oh, silly Danishes |
| 07:49.01 | Fisker- | You get shit because you are stupid |
| 07:49.11 | Fisker- | If i get my computer checked annually i can still get shit because i'm stupid |
| 07:49.20 | Fisker- | no amount of computer checks will prevent me from being stupid |
| 07:49.22 | Tekkub | so this keeps stupid people off the internet, what's the issue? |
| 07:49.42 | Fisker- | nah it doesn't keep stupid people off the internet |
| 07:49.53 | leethal | regarding stupid people on internet - http://antispore.com/ |
| 07:50.00 | Duman | jesus |
| 07:50.02 | Duman | so |
| 07:50.03 | Duman | man |
| 07:50.09 | Duman | all NE's get "vanish" |
| 07:50.12 | Duman | (for PvE) |
| 07:50.38 | [SW]Dodge | geif vanish 4 cats ^^ |
| 07:50.50 | Duman | So if you are fighting 1 mob, and you shadowmeld, you will then be removed from combat? |
| 07:50.50 | Duman | Yes. |
| 07:50.51 | leethal | and shields for bears |
| 07:51.04 | Dewin | LINK? |
| 07:51.10 | Dewin | err... y helo thar caps lock key |
| 07:51.14 | Duman | front page of the general forum :) |
| 07:51.24 | Duman | s/gen/beta ben/ |
| 07:51.25 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2847236143/ |
| 07:51.27 | Duman | atgh |
| 07:51.29 | Syzgyn | Stuck retrieving character list? |
| 07:51.30 | Duman | alfsdj ljasdf |
| 07:51.36 | smcn | lol duman |
| 07:51.39 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679753606&pageNo=3&sid=2000#54 |
| 07:51.41 | Maldivia | Duman: you wont drop combat from shadowmeld |
| 07:51.48 | Duman | follow the Blizz symbol trail |
| 07:52.03 | Duman | maldivia: read what Kalgan said |
| 07:52.25 | Syzgyn | Lol Tekkub |
| 07:52.27 | Duman | (I was quoting him) |
| 07:52.52 | Maldivia | "it doesn't actually take you out of combat unless you're the last one on the hate list of any mobs that you were engaged with. |
| 07:53.08 | Tekkub | Syzgyn, it gets better... |
| 07:53.19 | Duman | yes, so if you are fighting 1 mob, and shadowmeld, you are removed from combat :) |
| 07:53.24 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2847238387/ |
| 07:53.27 | leethal | Tekkub: lol =P |
| 07:53.29 | Duman | which is what I just cut/pasted |
| 07:53.34 | leethal | kill anti spore! |
| 07:54.02 | Tekkub | Google Chrome is conspiring with Spore to oppress the Christian Minority |
| 07:54.17 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:54.20 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 07:55.46 | Fisker- | so Antiarc |
| 07:55.50 | Fisker- | you should be ashamed of yourself |
| 07:56.00 | Antiarc | what |
| 07:56.08 | Fisker- | still running around with shadowcraft |
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| 08:31.23 | WobWork | hehe |
| 08:31.26 | WobWork | instant corruption finally |
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| 08:32.35 | clad|away | Antiarc: How many badges did the scaling BOA artifacts cost? |
| 08:32.46 | Antiarc | 60 or so I think? |
| 08:33.01 | clad|away | thats not terrible, if they're still as plentiful as they are now |
| 08:33.18 | Antiarc | they seem to be |
| 08:33.28 | WobWork | Fall of Humanity was quite literally the worst named racial skill ever |
| 08:33.29 | clad|away | I really appreciate the changes they're making that allow us to level easier |
| 08:33.54 | clad|away | I just _REALLY_ wish they'd have a mechanic to let us downrank a character's spells and equipment, so we can level with someone else |
| 08:34.20 | clad|away | that combined with recruit-a-friend would be fun, and very positive for both people |
| 08:34.48 | clad|away | as it is, sioraiocht is like level 41 so I either have to sap his XP when helping him out, or somehow magically level to 40 so I can help :P |
| 08:35.16 | sioraiocht | and yet, it works just fine... |
| 08:35.36 | clad|away | speak for yourself |
| 08:35.45 | clad|away | its not fun as a druid to run around moonfiring shit in order to kill it |
| 08:35.49 | clad|away | now as a mage, that's a different story |
| 08:35.59 | clad|away | if I could downrank to your level and duo with you, I would enjoy it. |
| 08:36.04 | clad|away | that's all I'm saying biznatch! |
| 08:36.40 | WobWork | Superspam that ho |
| 08:36.45 | Maldivia | clad: you mean a mentoring kind of ability, like so many other MMOs? |
| 08:36.51 | clad|away | Maldivia: yep |
| 08:37.19 | krka | that is a nice idea! |
| 08:37.21 | clad|away | doesn't hurt their subscriptions |
| 08:37.26 | WobWork | normally the mentoring tends to pull the lower level up to the higher one |
| 08:37.29 | clad|away | and hell, makes things HARDER for the person who is doing the helping |
| 08:37.33 | Maldivia | clad: speaking of druid and moonfire - have you played as balance yet? |
| 08:37.35 | krka | and auto-downrank for special instances |
| 08:37.36 | clad|away | WobWork: I'd propose the other way around |
| 08:37.39 | WobWork | <3 balance |
| 08:37.41 | clad|away | Maldivia: I'm currently a restokin |
| 08:37.45 | krka | so you can't do a level 40 instance at level 45 |
| 08:37.59 | clad|away | krka: I would propose that you match their level when mentoring them |
| 08:38.19 | WobWork | never heard it describled that way, Clad, but I guess I'm a restokin too |
| 08:38.20 | clad|away | now how to handle say, spells you get at level 70.. at level 45 |
| 08:38.21 | clad|away | I dunno |
| 08:38.29 | krka | yeah, i am just adding an additional idea for capping levels in instances |
| 08:38.35 | clad|away | WobWork: you're only a restokin if you have Dreamstate and Intensity :P |
| 08:38.36 | WobWork | 44/0/17 at least |
| 08:38.37 | clad|away | *nod* |
| 08:38.38 | krka | removing them |
| 08:38.40 | WobWork | aye |
| 08:38.48 | clad|away | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Draoi |
| 08:38.49 | Maldivia | clad: OK - was running around farming som meat for cooking last night in BT... moonkin form, cast starfall run around and gather 20 mosb that way (the plain in the south are great), and then barkskin+hurricane - 20 dead mobs in 15 seconds :) |
| 08:39.01 | clad|away | nice :P |
| 08:39.14 | clad|away | I haven't been able to try out starfall yet |
| 08:39.18 | clad|away | need to make a premade |
| 08:39.40 | Maldivia | clad: and it helps that starfall have individual CDs for the ranks - or well, it had last build, havne't tested since last nights patch |
| 08:39.54 | clad|away | haha |
| 08:40.28 | clad|away | hrm |
| 08:40.30 | Maldivia | tried using all 4 ranks at the same time... nice dps :) |
| 08:40.35 | clad|away | EU character copy for beta down? |
| 08:40.40 | batrick | Cairenn: ping |
| 08:40.47 | Cairenn | batrick: pong |
| 08:40.51 | Maldivia | clad: there are no premades for EU |
| 08:40.55 | batrick | actually nvm, exploitable idea |
| 08:40.57 | clad|away | bah bastages! |
| 08:41.01 | batrick | I had a contest idea ( |
| 08:41.02 | batrick | :( |
| 08:41.02 | clad|away | well i deleted my enUS client |
| 08:41.15 | clad|away | so playing with starfall is out :P |
| 08:41.30 | Cairenn | ideas are always good, potential exploits can always be discussed as to ways to prevent |
| 08:41.42 | batrick | longest AGT conversation lol |
| 08:41.44 | Cairenn | throw the idea out there, let's here it :) |
| 08:41.51 | Cairenn | hear* |
| 08:41.54 | batrick | that goblin therapist mod |
| 08:41.59 | Cairenn | ahhhh |
| 08:42.03 | batrick | I had one go for 30 min and it gave me the idea |
| 08:42.06 | batrick | rofl |
| 08:42.34 | clad|away | I'm restokin at the moment because its less gear dependent |
| 08:42.35 | Cairenn | lol, that'd be a riot |
| 08:42.50 | clad|away | tho I need to get my +healing up |
| 08:42.56 | clad|away | now that I'm around 364 resilience |
| 08:43.03 | clad|away | then I need to find an arena team =/ |
| 08:43.18 | Maldivia | clad: well, balance and resto can use same gear :) |
| 08:43.47 | Maldivia | yes, it's not perfect, but at least the spell power and attributes are good for both |
| 08:43.48 | Cairenn | but yeah, it'd be interesting to try to prevent it from being exploited |
| 08:43.54 | clad|away | Maldivia: thats exactly why i did it |
| 08:43.57 | clad|away | and its easier in beta |
| 08:44.07 | clad|away | you obviously can't mix feral and resto without gear overload |
| 08:44.12 | clad|away | I honestly hat eit |
| 08:44.18 | clad|away | balance is just a gimped mage with less tols |
| 08:44.22 | clad|away | but I like the extra armor |
| 08:44.28 | clad|away | and being able to start a fight without being able to be sapped |
| 08:44.28 | Maldivia | well, I wasn't too fond of AQ40 druid multi-items either |
| 08:44.34 | clad|away | tho the same can be said for tree of life |
| 08:44.44 | clad|away | but no armor bonus there |
| 08:44.51 | clad|away | so a rogue opening up on you is painful |
| 08:47.35 | smcn | improved tol = 100% armor bonus |
| 08:47.51 | clad|away | well wotlk changes quite a bit |
| 08:47.54 | clad|away | I just know what I have now :P |
| 08:50.14 | clad|away | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679894125&postId=96788948073&sid=1#0 |
| 08:54.39 | clad|away | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=0VG0soZZcxcubuxVzAIst looks like a very fun build |
| 08:56.49 | Maldivia | clad: that's my current resto spec - although I have that extra poin in resto instead :9 |
| 08:57.21 | Maldivia | actually, furor is worthless for resto |
| 08:57.27 | Maldivia | so almost that spec :9 |
| 08:57.48 | Maldivia | it should be 10% int in moonkin and tree form :9 |
| 08:58.21 | clad|away | well |
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| 08:58.27 | clad|away | i need to go down to feral charge |
| 08:58.30 | clad|away | to make it a proper build |
| 08:58.33 | clad|away | and thus I need furor |
| 08:59.05 | Maldivia | for a pvp build, yeah furor can be great |
| 08:59.13 | clad|away | well i'm solely pvp |
| 08:59.23 | clad|away | OH NOES |
| 08:59.30 | clad|away | feral charge is a 21 point talent now? |
| 08:59.31 | clad|away | NERF! |
| 08:59.47 | clad|away | wow that blows |
| 09:00.05 | [SW]Dodge | but <3 kitty charge :D |
| 09:00.13 | [SW]Dodge | w/o shapeshift |
| 09:00.31 | clad|away | kitty charge is nice |
| 09:00.36 | clad|away | what do you mean w/o shapeshift? |
| 09:00.40 | bleeter | mew bomb |
| 09:06.57 | Maldivia | pew pew mew |
| 09:07.57 | [SW]Dodge | :3 |
| 09:08.31 | clad|away | http://apidiff.pastey.net/95832 |
| 09:08.51 | clad|away | +"fctSpellMechanics", -- default: "0" |
| 09:08.51 | clad|away | +"fctSpellMechanicsOther", -- default: "0" |
| 09:08.53 | clad|away | interesting |
| 09:09.02 | clad|away | + "threatShowNumeric", -- default: "0" |
| 09:09.09 | clad|away | - "GetWorldLocMapPosition", |
| 09:09.15 | clad|away | ^^ sad face, but about time |
| 09:09.18 | clad|away | considering it did nothing |
| 09:10.14 | Maldivia | ? |
| 09:10.34 | clad|away | whats the ? for? |
| 09:10.43 | Maldivia | the GetWorldLocMapPosition loss? |
| 09:10.58 | clad|away | yeah |
| 09:11.10 | clad|away | what about it? |
| 09:11.14 | smcn | so apparently all the classes are doomed this build, and no one is going to be taken to any raid |
| 09:11.24 | Maldivia | why sad face? |
| 09:11.42 | Aiiane | smcn: excellent, no need to worry about balance issues then |
| 09:11.45 | Maldivia | smcn: but... there's a new raid to check out! :) |
| 09:11.47 | clad|away | Maldivia: because I had hope for a while now that it might be altered to actually work as a way to convert between zone coordinates and continent coordinates |
| 09:11.50 | Tifi | is there no event that fires iff UnitGUID('mouseover') changes? |
| 09:12.01 | clad|away | Maldivia: so i could easily tell the direction to an arbitrary non-same-zone waypoint using it |
| 09:12.02 | Maldivia | clad: ahh |
| 09:12.18 | clad|away | I think I was the only person that actually got the function to do anything other than return 0 :P |
| 09:12.24 | clad|away | and that was done in a very odd way :P |
| 09:12.33 | clad|away | but it didn't do what I needed it to do |
| 09:12.46 | clad|away | so its probably better that its gone! |
| 09:13.35 | clad|away | hrm gonna relog so my client doesn't get borked |
| 09:13.38 | clad|away | cause i'm gone until sat |
| 09:13.39 | clad|away | brb |
| 09:13.44 | Maldivia | btw - UI diff is up aswell: http://patchdiff.pastey.net/95824 |
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| 09:14.12 | smcn | "Man, with all these death certificates, we're going to have no classes left soon." - GC :P |
| 09:14.31 | Maldivia | hehe |
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| 09:54.53 | Fisker- | i has hate Maldivia btw |
| 10:07.46 | Maldivia | ...ok |
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| 12:01.30 | Industrial | lua> t={'foo','bar','baz'} t[2]=nil for i in ipairs(t) do print(t[i]) end |
| 12:01.30 | lua_bot | Industrial: foo |
| 12:02.04 | Industrial | lua> o='' t={'foo','bar','baz'} t[2]=nil for i in ipairs(t) do o=o..t[i] end print(o) |
| 12:02.05 | lua_bot | Industrial: foo |
| 12:02.12 | Industrial | hm |
| 12:02.47 | Fisker- | i am going to hurt you |
| 12:03.04 | Industrial | hurt meh |
| 12:03.25 | Kirkburn | nevcairiel, dc? |
| 12:03.33 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 12:03.36 | nevcairiel | world server died |
| 12:03.50 | Kirkburn | Fortunately I landed like 1 inch on the water side of the wall :) |
| 12:04.09 | Lyn | :x |
| 12:04.18 | Lyn | Industrial, mine is now here, too! |
| 12:04.19 | Kirkburn | No idea why I came off the mount - I saw you fly off, though :P |
| 12:07.58 | Industrial | Lyn: yey :d |
| 12:08.27 | Stanzilla | I wonder why my riding crop is still a trinket O.o |
| 12:08.47 | nevcairiel | mine is a enchant that i cannot use |
| 12:08.55 | nevcairiel | because mounts are no items anymore :P |
| 12:09.00 | Stanzilla | heh |
| 12:09.10 | Stanzilla | when i "learn" my mounts, the items stay in my inventory |
| 12:09.20 | Stanzilla | with the "you already know that " line |
| 12:10.06 | Lyn | :o |
| 12:10.54 | Industrial | so how do you liek it Lyn |
| 12:11.09 | Lyn | i have no macbook, but its still nice... have to get wow on it |
| 12:11.16 | Lyn | but with wlan its... hard xD |
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| 12:17.00 | Lyn_ | i hope the flight to dalaran is fixed |
| 12:17.00 | Lyn_ | :x |
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| 12:24.50 | Kirkburn | Lyn_, fixed how? |
| 12:26.06 | Lyn_ | someone said that flying from or to dalaran gets you disconnected.. dunno if it's right, never flyed from or to it. |
| 12:27.11 | nevcairiel | didnt happen to me |
| 12:27.26 | Lyn_ | to me either |
| 12:27.36 | Lyn_ | meh.. headache, afk |
| 12:28.16 | Kirkburn | I want to know how nev managed to traverse all Icecrown so damn fast |
| 12:28.25 | nevcairiel | I'm good |
| 12:28.34 | nevcairiel | also i have a 310% mount |
| 12:28.36 | Kirkburn | Did you already have soem explored from before? (and yeah ... riiiight ;) |
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| 12:30.50 | Kirkburn | Crashy crashy .... they're totally gonna close Icecrown/Storm Peaks again >_< |
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| 13:27.41 | Shirik | nevcairiel: nm, sorry :) |
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| 14:21.12 | Shirik | Duman: Thanks for that link :) |
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| 14:38.41 | Anaral | Is there a current cap on haste? Or is it 100%? |
| 14:42.26 | Anaral | Good to know Northrend is as stable as ever. >.< |
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| 14:59.00 | Rabbitbunny | So... is there some sort of button I can mash to make my wow install back to default? |
| 14:59.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 14:59.54 | Kaso | delete Interface wtf and cache folders |
| 15:00.05 | Kaso | or at least rename them |
| 15:00.46 | Kaso | that'll pretty much get you to a clean install state |
| 15:01.21 | Kaso | note, this will of course remove all your settings and addons |
| 15:03.38 | Rabbitbunny | Okay, THat's doable. |
| 15:03.53 | Kaso | why do you want to do it though? whats wrong? |
| 15:03.53 | Rabbitbunny | I keep manually setting variables, Then never coding naything to set them. |
| 15:04.06 | Kaso | Perhaps its easier to cure the disease than kill the patient |
| 15:04.11 | Rabbitbunny | then realeasing the code, and no one tells me it errors. |
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| 15:46.37 | malreth | Stupid Hurricane Ike ruined my birfday |
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| 15:48.59 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 15:49.35 | malreth | we were gonna have 12 pounds of shrimp this weekend |
| 15:49.43 | malreth | butterflied and fried |
| 15:49.46 | malreth | mmm... good |
| 15:49.48 | malreth | but nope |
| 15:50.04 | malreth | not anymore. mandatory evac for galveston |
| 15:51.14 | cbreak | oh damnit! My character lost her face in the new beta patch |
| 15:51.24 | cbreak | it's now completely different :/ |
| 15:51.32 | Duman | yeah they melted faces this patch |
| 15:51.38 | malreth | cbreak: blame nicholas cage |
| 15:51.44 | Industrial | and spriests |
| 15:51.49 | cbreak | the con air guy? |
| 15:51.55 | Duman | face off :-P |
| 15:52.02 | cbreak | oh yeah, crappy movie |
| 15:52.24 | Industrial | rofl |
| 15:52.31 | cbreak | I don't like the implied effect of the face on the psychology of the bearer of the face |
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| 15:52.51 | cbreak | although I do have to admit, the new face of my char depresses me. |
| 15:53.01 | alestane | malreth: brine the shrimp in salt, sugar and Chili powder, then fry them with garlic and ginger. |
| 15:53.03 | malreth | then that movie was true in many ways |
| 15:53.35 | malreth | alestane: just pour lemon juice into my wounds |
| 15:53.38 | malreth | :( |
| 15:53.55 | alestane | Yes, it occurred to me that I probably wasn't actually being nice by saying that. |
| 15:54.05 | alestane | But do that the next time you can have shrimp. |
| 15:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 15:54.54 | alestane | cbreak: Something bizarre happened to male gnome eyes, too. |
| 15:57.27 | Maldivia | almost all faces are.... ugly now |
| 15:58.59 | Anaral | Ugh, ShadowQuality 1 shouldn't kill my fps. :/ |
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| 16:21.26 | kneeki | Is a for loop from 1 to 40 while using UnitBuff() still the best way to check if a unit has a buff? |
| 16:25.39 | haste | kneeki: on 2.0 at least |
| 16:31.45 | [Liquidor] | Hahahah checkout this Jägermeister commercial parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCvkOBrbZE |
| 16:36.40 | Anaral | Hmm, I'm in Dragonsblight, but I have the Essence of Wintergrasp buff. Is this a bug or poorly named buff? |
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| 16:41.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: so script mostly done |
| 16:42.07 | Maldivia | well, you have a week or so to perfect it |
| 16:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: it scans for new builds on US and EU, and when it finds one, it starts 1 thread per 100 chunks and downloads the patches it found in parallel |
| 16:42.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And then assembles it |
| 16:42.30 | Maldivia | nice |
| 16:42.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I was able to pull the latest enUS build in under a minute with it |
| 16:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The goal is I can start it on a patch day and trust it'll show up on my server "eventually" without any interaction |
| 16:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The patch searching/size searching is threaded too |
| 16:44.31 | Maldivia | nice |
| 16:44.50 | Maldivia | cron job it, and have it run every 30min :) |
| 16:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 16:45.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That's an option |
| 16:45.54 | Fogger | Why can't the Blizzard Updater create a new patch-x.MPQ everytime, instead of rebuilding a previous one?, I never have enough space! :P |
| 16:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Right now the scanning just checks one possible build per second and loops |
| 16:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | (Until it finds a build) |
| 16:48.38 | Maldivia | hope you wont get black-listed from the site before next patch then :) |
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| 16:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It's designed to only be run when I know a patch is coming |
| 16:49.09 | Neffi | Is there a Lua function for setting a scrollingmessageframe's textinsets? I can't seem to find it.. |
| 16:49.25 | Neffi | " <TextInsets left='20' right='8' top='22' bottom='10'/> " |
| 16:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure I don't want to be sending a request every second to both EU and US servers for an entire week :P |
| 16:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | According to my bandwidth graphs I was pulling 10mbit downstream with that script, hehe |
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| 17:10.06 | End | I just got another beta key? |
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| 17:11.44 | Lopeppeppy | That's what a lot of people have been saying over the last day. |
| 17:11.47 | [dRaCo] | <-- insert beta key here. |
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| 17:12.21 | alestane | Yeah, I was wondering about that. |
| 17:17.13 | cog|work | malreth: have you been to http://knifeforums.com/forums/showforum.php?fid/26/ ? |
| 17:18.54 | End | well |
| 17:19.19 | End | hm |
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| 17:27.23 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:27.24 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Peppy and suddenly hugs Peppy tightly |
| 17:28.09 | alestane | doitnow |
| 17:28.18 | alestane | DAMMIT! |
| 17:28.23 | alestane | nvm. |
| 17:28.57 | cog|work | morning Jelly-School |
| 17:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-School! |
| 17:29.23 | Jelly-School | Been here for six hours. :( But, good morning all the same. <3 |
| 17:29.33 | cog|work | Jelly-School: http://www.kesigndesign.com/large/insite12.jpg <-- Jelly School |
| 17:29.46 | Jelly-School | rofl |
| 17:30.03 | Jelly-School | How's everyone's day going? |
| 17:30.34 | cog|work | ssdd for me |
| 17:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | Fan-frellin-tastic. Damn it. |
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| 17:31.51 | Jelly-School | So. I suppose this will spark debate here. I'm trying to install Ubuntu (i'm a linux noob) just to kind of ... see. Am I a complete idiot or is it not as simple as it seems like it should be? |
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| 17:32.24 | Jelly-School | I'm getting error after error after error off of three different (burned cds from two different computers) and a mounted iso. |
| 17:32.42 | Neuro_Medivh | what's the error? |
| 17:34.02 | wereHamster | I thought there was an installer that you could use from within windows |
| 17:34.08 | Jelly-School | Honestly ... I wish I would have written it down. One, I'm sure would be fixed with a cat5 connection to an internet connection (it can't find my wireless drivers) and another is a metric fuck-ton of I/O (iirc) errors scrolling up my screen in (what looks like) a command prompt. |
| 17:34.21 | wereHamster | like an .exe that installs ubuntu into a new partition or something |
| 17:34.40 | Jelly-School | Yeah. I tried that too and it's like "FUCK YO LAPTOP" apparently. |
| 17:35.21 | Jelly-School | I was going to try more when I get home tonight. That was kind of a way to pass my remedial (cause they didn't have a placement test to skip it) computer class this morning. |
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| 17:46.07 | Seerah | ooh... they added in a new graphics setting in this beta patch. "Shadow Quality" - with it turned up, we have real shadows now (like in WAR) |
| 17:46.21 | Jelly-School | So anyway ... anything new and interesting in the world of warcraft ui?! |
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| 17:48.43 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah -- with it turned up, it crasheth my computer. :) |
| 17:48.57 | Seerah | :( |
| 17:49.00 | Seerah | hasn't crashed mine yet |
| 17:49.01 | Jelly-School | :( But Peppy needs shadows to hide in! |
| 17:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously do, Jelly-School! |
| 17:50.05 | Seerah | ohh... and guards/NPCs in SW insult and throw things at DKs now (or did I just miss that before?) |
| 17:50.05 | Anaral | The slider is just thegraphical equivalent of /console extshadowQuality 0-4 |
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| 17:50.31 | Seerah | Anaral: I'll be adding your request in the next version |
| 17:50.40 | Nizomi | Hi, how do I get RatingBuster to display stats like +15 (+5) Stamina |
| 17:50.42 | Nizomi | and in green |
| 17:50.49 | Anaral | Seerah: Thank you. |
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| 17:52.37 | Nizomi | i cant even get it to display what stats will rise and what stats will decrease :x |
| 17:53.06 | Jelly-School | Silly question but you know how to get into the options, right? |
| 17:53.14 | Nizomi | ya... |
| 17:53.41 | Anaral | Are you on beta or live? |
| 17:53.43 | Nizomi | only found stuff for the stat summary etc |
| 17:53.47 | Nizomi | live |
| 17:54.33 | alestane | Shirik: you seem to know how to safely virii and keyloggers: is the site this guy Gerrnah keeps linking spreading something nusafe? I don't recognize it but it has the hallmarks. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679954401&sid=1#9 |
| 17:54.35 | Anaral | Stat Breakdown |
| 17:54.51 | Anaral | Stamina -> Show Health |
| 17:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: keylogger |
| 17:55.52 | Nizomi | well |
| 17:55.55 | Nizomi | thats not what i want |
| 17:55.55 | Nizomi | :p |
| 17:56.06 | Jelly-School | Holy shit. Just refreshed the UI page. |
| 17:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: check the source.. http://wowi.pastey.net/95844 |
| 17:56.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And all of those are keyloggers |
| 17:57.03 | Nizomi | i want the stats of the item to be compared to the item i currently wear, so if my current item has 10 stamina and the new item has 15 it should show in green text: +15 (+5) Stamina or +15 Stamina (+5) |
| 17:57.11 | Nizomi | and somewhere below the extra health maybe |
| 17:58.11 | alestane | Is FF3 on a PPC Mac likely to be at any risk from it? I was trying to figure out what he was foisting on people. |
| 17:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw noscript on there and yes it's safe for sure |
| 17:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Chances are OSX alone will "defeat" the keylogger but |
| 17:58.44 | ScytheBlade1 | No point in letting the script run anyway |
| 17:58.55 | Anaral | Nizomi: do you have both calculate stat diff and stat sum checked as well as Show stat summary? |
| 17:59.09 | alestane | Point is, I actually did already (oops). It just bounced me to yahoo.com. |
| 17:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That wasn't yahoo.com it bounced you to |
| 17:59.30 | Nizomi | yeah |
| 17:59.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That was a saved copy of yahoo.com with malicious scripts injected |
| 17:59.34 | alestane | Some look-alike? |
| 17:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You should be fine |
| 17:59.53 | Jelly-School | be-are-be |
| 18:00.10 | Nizomi | but the stat-summary is now what i want :p |
| 18:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly, as long as you (1) keep your OS up to date (2) keep your browser up to date and if it applies (3) don't run IE in super "allow EVERYTHING" mode you're fine |
| 18:00.31 | Nizomi | well its one part i want |
| 18:00.31 | Anaral | Nizomi: And under Stat - Basic you have 'Sum Stamina' checked? |
| 18:00.34 | Nizomi | but not the main part |
| 18:00.43 | Nizomi | Anaral: i dont want it listed unter summary :x |
| 18:01.06 | Anaral | Er.. |
| 18:01.27 | Nizomi | Anaral: http://wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18136 |
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| 18:01.42 | Jelly-School | lol |
| 18:01.57 | Jelly-School | So I just installed NoScript since I reinstalled everything on my laptop last night. |
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| 18:02.12 | Jelly-School | The web-based IRC client I use gave me this error when I reloaded it: Look. It's 2008. Each time you visit without javascript, another frog dies (It's automatic - wires from webserver to frog electricution chair. Took me 3 weeks to wire that). YOU are responsible. How does that make you feel? hmm? Save frogs. Enable javascript. |
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| 18:03.04 | Anaral | Nizomi: I don't think that RB can do the stat comparison in the same place of where the stat breakdown info is. |
| 18:03.19 | Nizomi | stat breakdown info is after the actual stat |
| 18:03.33 | Nizomi | i want comparision to "overwrite" the actual stat |
| 18:03.41 | Shirik|Ecole | <3 <3 |
| 18:03.47 | Jelly-School | <3<3 |
| 18:04.43 | Anaral | Nizomi I repeat, I don't think you can do that with RB, you'll have to either wait for someone with more knowledge of RB to respond or post a comment in either the WoWAce RB Thread or at WoWI's comments page for RB |
| 18:05.12 | Nizomi | well its just a thing of "Can RB do that? If not can any AddOn do that?" |
| 18:05.16 | malreth | cog|work: > malreth: have you been to http://knifeforums.com/forums/showforum.php?fid/26/ ? |
| 18:05.20 | malreth | cog|work: no i haven't |
| 18:05.22 | Nizomi | If not i guess i'll have to write my own or modify rb :x |
| 18:05.42 | cog|work | it's an interesting browse :) |
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| 18:06.36 | malreth | holy crap |
| 18:06.48 | malreth | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://item.rakuten.co.jp/turedure/c/0000000338/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMIZUYAKI%2BHONYAKI%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.google:en-US:official%26hs%3DjHe |
| 18:07.10 | malreth | those are like $2000 blades |
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| 18:10.24 | smcn | so did build 8926 destroy the world yet? i mean the large hadron collider? |
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| 18:10.33 | Nizomi | hm is there any way to modify addon code with a second addon? |
| 18:10.40 | cog|work | they're not colliding anything until next mo |
| 18:11.02 | cog|work | Nizomi: modify code? no. modify behavior, cetrtainly. |
| 18:11.15 | Jelly-School | So we still have a month until the end of the world? |
| 18:11.37 | Nizomi | well like some addon write "lol", could i change that so the addon writes "rofl" instead without changing the addon itself? ^^ |
| 18:11.45 | cog|work | yeah. hopefully they'll wait until after blizzcon |
| 18:11.45 | Nizomi | Jelly-School: nothing is going to end |
| 18:12.05 | Jelly-School | Nizomi: Welcome to the IRC channel? I'm being sarcastic. |
| 18:12.09 | Nizomi | :p |
| 18:12.20 | Jelly-School | I'm probably one of the last people that cry about the sky falling. :P |
| 18:12.37 | cog|work | Nizomi: the lack of knowledge of the (non)existence of the higgs boson will end... |
| 18:12.45 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:12.46 | Nizomi | lol |
| 18:13.09 | Nizomi | so could i do something like that? because i dont want to change ratingbuster itself :x |
| 18:13.33 | Jelly-School | What cog|work meant to say is "the world is going to end by microscopic black holes sucking us all in, one molecule at a time." |
| 18:13.47 | kneeki | http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
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| 18:13.59 | Maldivia | grr.. |
| 18:14.05 | kd3 | my favorite site in the last few days ^ |
| 18:14.09 | Jelly-School | Kneeki: lol |
| 18:14.35 | cog|work | if it does end (which it won't) then the creators of Lexx foresaw it... |
| 18:14.59 | Jelly-School | If it does end, I just want you all to know that I ... *tear* I ... love you all! |
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| 18:15.05 | malreth | i thought micro black holes appear and disappear around us all the time |
| 18:15.10 | Nizomi | i guess it would be quite fun to throw microscopic black holes at people |
| 18:15.25 | Maldivia | ChatFrame2 has it's own life once again, and ignoring saved position |
| 18:15.41 | Jelly-School | ChatFrame2 is a bitch and needs to be destroyed then. |
| 18:16.04 | kd3 | WTF! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679754295&sid=2000 |
| 18:16.42 | malreth | burn your riding crops |
| 18:16.45 | Jelly-School | ... |
| 18:16.50 | Nizomi | anyone? |
| 18:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay |
| 18:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Finally an answer to the question |
| 18:17.54 | malreth | gods damn it all... i've been an idiot |
| 18:18.05 | Jelly-School | rutroah |
| 18:18.13 | Nizomi | malreth: been? |
| 18:18.53 | cog|work | Hawking radiation > micro black holes imo |
| 18:19.00 | malreth | i've been struggling to image these macbooks |
| 18:19.08 | malreth | they're dual boot machines |
| 18:19.37 | malreth | Leopard/Vista. Until now, i haven't been able to get them to boot and I just discovered why. |
| 18:20.00 | Nizomi | what about the strangelet? |
| 18:20.07 | malreth | The partition table type has been set to MBR instead of GUID |
| 18:20.59 | malreth | s/GUID/GPT/ |
| 18:21.42 | malreth | and i know exactly how it got set to MBR, too |
| 18:22.47 | malreth | the initial Vista image was deployed to the prototype machine using WDS and a discovery CD |
| 18:23.12 | malreth | and WDS would have repartitioned the hard drive with an MBR partition table |
| 18:23.17 | alestane | kneeki: I prefer http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ ... especially if you read the source. |
| 18:23.46 | kneeki | Haha |
| 18:24.54 | kneeki | Wow, the source is amazing on that site |
| 18:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 18:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The RSS feed is even more amazing |
| 18:26.17 | Nizomi | lol |
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| 18:34.17 | kd3 | my gods, what the hell is wrong with my gnome's face? |
| 18:34.33 | Lyn_ | its a gnome |
| 18:35.11 | alestane | kd3: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679403536&pageNo=9&sid=2000#160 |
| 18:35.30 | alestane | It happened to most old-world races. It's supposed to be temporary. |
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| 18:45.02 | devXero | anyone know if it's possible to find out the battle group via lua? |
| 18:45.54 | foxlit | if you build a server->battlegroup map, sure. |
| 18:47.01 | U5Mac | hey all, I'm completely new to lua scripting and somewhat to xml... any ideas for where to start (other than the hello worlds and such) |
| 18:47.27 | devXero | foxlit: call me dense, but I'm not sure what you mean by building a server->battlegroup map |
| 18:47.44 | devXero | U5Mac: http://wowiki.com |
| 18:47.46 | jaxdahl | build a table that maps server name to battlegroup |
| 18:47.47 | devXero | err |
| 18:47.49 | devXero | U5Mac: http://wowwiki.com |
| 18:48.39 | devXero | jaxdahl: so, I would have to know all of the servers, and battlegroups in advance. correct? |
| 18:48.43 | U5Mac | I've been cruisin around there all day and can't seem to find information to really help my situation. I am not new to coding by any stretch but... don't really know how to do what I want. |
| 18:48.55 | devXero | this sounds more manual than lua based discovery |
| 18:48.57 | devXero | bleh |
| 18:49.34 | devXero | U5Mac: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:49.55 | U5Mac | I'm designing an addon that will compare two pieces of gear in a window |
| 18:50.18 | jaxdahl | devXero, what practical application do you have in mind for knowing the battlegroup? |
| 18:50.22 | devXero | creating windows ( widgets ) --> http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 18:50.49 | devXero | item functions --> http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Item_Functions |
| 18:51.22 | U5Mac | I'm using another addon as a basis for stat info so I'd also have to be able to call to that addon |
| 18:51.43 | devXero | jaxdahl: a list for viewing users in a battlegroup... anything more than that, and I'm bound by an NDA |
| 18:55.32 | U5Mac | plus I've found information on how to set up slash commands but not really how to implement them. Like I can set up a command but then... how do I give it a task or purpose |
| 18:56.18 | U5Mac | I'm still getting used to having lua and xml talk to one another... my background is set in mostly C++ and Java |
| 18:57.00 | foxlit | C++ and Java == Death and Decay |
| 18:57.35 | foxlit | (well, oka, perhaps it'd be more reasonable to call XML Beans) |
| 18:57.45 | foxlit | s/a,/ay,/ |
| 18:59.12 | U5Mac | like if I want to set up a simple edit box I'd initialize it in xml right? and then give it a purpose in the lua? |
| 18:59.33 | foxlit | That one way to do that, yes |
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| 19:00.32 | U5Mac | so if I wanted an edit box that would accept a link of an item, I'd set one up to get text, and then in lua I'd do an EditBox:GetText() call? |
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| 19:01.47 | foxlit | User input is largely asynchronious |
| 19:02.03 | foxlit | You can't solicit it -- but you can use EditBox:GetText() to get the text that's currently in the edit box |
| 19:02.51 | devXero | U5Mac: you could possibly use a click action with a modifer to send the text |
| 19:03.07 | kd3 | crap at getting aggroed by something right as the server crashes |
| 19:03.20 | Jelly-School | cog|work: it looks like they wont be colliding particles until after Oct 21 so your dreams of Blizzcon are safe! |
| 19:04.01 | U5Mac | I basically want to be able to link from anywhere. Now I realize that links are dependant upon local cache rather than server cache so it'd have to be in the cache to work but granting that it were... |
| 19:04.11 | U5Mac | devxero: not sure what that means... |
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| 19:09.30 | U5Mac | how would a click action modifier work? |
| 19:10.02 | U5Mac | so that when they clicked to link it that would trigger some event and get caught by a modifier?... so very lost |
| 19:10.32 | devXero | U5Mac: read the section on the wiki about events, everything in wow is event driven |
| 19:11.03 | U5Mac | yea I get the event idea, which is new and will still take a little getting used to |
| 19:11.15 | U5Mac | but I have no idea what you were talking about lol |
| 19:11.20 | smcn | wao http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679894520&sid=1 |
| 19:11.29 | Nizomi | hm is there any good online shooter(free) where you can fly helicopterS? :p |
| 19:12.50 | devXero | a click is an event... so a click with a modifier is still a click event, but with a modifier... so, for example, you can say... if the window is open, and you for example ctrl + shift + click an item link, run a function to do x |
| 19:13.02 | devXero | a very rough example, but an example none the less |
| 19:15.10 | U5Mac | another thing... what information does a link send? is it a full array of information about the item? |
| 19:15.51 | devXero | U5Mac: http://www.wowwiki.com/Itemlink |
| 19:17.31 | U5Mac | awesome, hadn't found that page yet, helps bunches |
| 19:18.18 | devXero | Seriously, use the wiki... I just started using lua back in March... The wiki is the way to go |
| 19:18.52 | devXero | also, http://wowcompares.com |
| 19:18.55 | cog|work | ! |
| 19:19.04 | cog|work | PvE->PvP |
| 19:19.14 | Thunder_Child | isnt the first time |
| 19:19.37 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: the only time they've ever allowed it was for serious population imbalances |
| 19:19.42 | cog|work | this is new policy |
| 19:20.08 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679894520&sid=1 |
| 19:20.47 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 19:20.49 | Thunder_Child | so it is |
| 19:21.11 | devXero | oooh |
| 19:21.23 | devXero | I'm moving my mage back to pvp |
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| 19:30.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm really starting to dislike Grizzly Hills |
| 19:34.08 | Neuro_Medivh | hahah, looks like Blizz dropped a bomb on the pvp servers! |
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| 19:36.04 | kneeki | How so? |
| 19:36.36 | End | hm |
| 19:36.47 | End | fall of humanity went away and into shadowmeld |
| 19:36.57 | kneeki | haha |
| 19:37.09 | Neuro_Medivh | nah, talking about pve->pvp transfers |
| 19:37.44 | Jamash | what |
| 19:38.02 | Neuro_Medivh | <+cog|work> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679894520&sid=1 |
| 19:38.05 | Neuro_Medivh | this |
| 19:38.25 | Neuro_Medivh | that sound you hear is the ice forming in the bowels of the underworld |
| 19:38.39 | Jamash | yeah huh |
| 19:39.19 | Neuro_Medivh | good policy though... a lot of people just don't want to reroll on a pvp server, but they wouldn't mind BEING on a pvp server |
| 19:39.48 | Neuro_Medivh | I suspect it really won't have much of an impact |
| 19:39.51 | kneeki | I disliked PvE a lot =\ |
| 19:39.51 | Nizomi | god i swear i hate nexon |
| 19:39.58 | kneeki | Well, dislike PvE servers |
| 19:39.59 | devXero | I've completely regretted transfering to PvE before... now I get to go back... makes me so happy |
| 19:42.59 | U5Mac | yea, my thoughts were, hmm... I enjoy pve more. but pve servers... omg... so boring... |
| 19:43.32 | devXero | I moved to join a raiding guild, but, I miss world pvp |
| 19:44.38 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder if this transfer option is due to WAR opening up soon |
| 19:45.27 | U5Mac | war? you think it'll be that intense? |
| 19:45.55 | Neuro_Medivh | From my limited playing, WAR is like WoW with EQ2 graphics |
| 19:46.09 | devXero | Neuro_Medivh: so it won't run on anything? |
| 19:46.29 | Neuro_Medivh | it will... it's just a bit on the heavy side. It wasn't smooth for me at all |
| 19:46.53 | devXero | I quit playing eq2 because having to upgrade my machine 5 times in a year just to walk through a major city was ridiculou |
| 19:46.54 | Neuro_Medivh | but I mean the graphic style is like EQ2, or maybe Oblivion |
| 19:46.57 | devXero | s |
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| 19:47.16 | Neuro_Medivh | going for the realistic look |
| 19:47.41 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, it REALLY reminded me of Oblivion, now that I think about it |
| 19:47.50 | Neuro_Medivh | but the gameplay is almost 100% WoW |
| 19:48.00 | Jamash | does EQ2 still look like high-resolution canned ass? 'cause that's what I remember from the initial round of screenshots |
| 19:48.08 | Maldivia | SB1? |
| 19:48.15 | devXero | maybe I'll check it out.. I wonder if it will support osx in the usual blizzard fashion |
| 19:48.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Heheh, the UI is almost a direct copy of the default wow UI |
| 19:48.53 | devXero | haha |
| 19:49.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Seriously. Buttons along the bottom, Minimap in the top right, player and party frames along the left hand side, with player in top left |
| 19:49.41 | Jamash | yep, pretty terrain and horrifyingly ugly character/monster models |
| 19:50.21 | devXero | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, that's totally oblivion |
| 19:50.25 | devXero | from what I see in the screenshots |
| 19:50.31 | devXero | eq2 wish it looked that good :P |
| 19:50.47 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, if you're completely bored of WoW and have a good machine, I'm sure WAR will be fun |
| 19:50.59 | Nizomi | i wanted to try war |
| 19:51.00 | Neuro_Medivh | it looks to be more pvp and rvr focused |
| 19:51.09 | Nizomi | but goa is too stupid to manage open beta :D |
| 19:51.15 | Nizomi | and its not even an open beta |
| 19:51.15 | Nizomi | xD |
| 19:52.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Personally, I think the smartest thing WoW did was keep the graphics requirement low... my machine is 5 years old and still runs wow just fine |
| 19:52.23 | Jamash | yes |
| 19:52.32 | Nizomi | hm damn i cant find any free online shooter where you can fly helicopters |
| 19:52.32 | Nizomi | :x |
| 19:52.42 | Jamash | I play wow on a laptop so system reqs are a big deal |
| 19:52.48 | devXero | well, I'll never play it |
| 19:52.50 | devXero | pc onlyu |
| 19:52.55 | devXero | s/onlyu/only/ |
| 19:53.22 | cog|work | anyone have a link to lunessa's vista guide? |
| 19:53.46 | cog|work | nm |
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| 20:11.42 | Jamash | is shift-clicking to do a /who on someone broken in beta? |
| 20:15.09 | Duman | yes |
| 20:15.36 | Duman | seems to break/unbreak with various patches :) |
| 20:16.10 | haste | might be your chat addon if you run any also |
| 20:18.15 | p3lim | oChat works, atleast the last time I tested :) |
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| 20:20.31 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone have DPS numbers on premades? I'm pushing 11-1200 dps on my premade DK on the heroic boss dummy |
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| 20:22.23 | jaxdahl | spec? |
| 20:26.50 | p3lim | Neuro_Medivh: premade? |
| 20:27.14 | steev | hrm |
| 20:27.21 | steev | new patch data downloads |
| 20:27.25 | p3lim | didnt know that was avalible yet |
| 20:27.30 | steev | 821mb |
| 20:27.35 | p3lim | ugh |
| 20:27.42 | p3lim | just downloaded a 181mb patch |
| 20:27.46 | steev | this is on live |
| 20:27.58 | p3lim | background downloader? |
| 20:28.01 | steev | yeah |
| 20:28.10 | p3lim | its for WotLK |
| 20:28.17 | p3lim | they are just preparing I guess |
| 20:28.33 | p3lim | they will release a content patch before the expansion, much alike what they did before tbc |
| 20:28.48 | steev | yeah |
| 20:28.48 | p3lim | with talents, barbers, sw harbor etc etc |
| 20:29.05 | steev | i figure as much |
| 20:29.31 | p3lim | btw |
| 20:29.47 | p3lim | you dont happen to be steeve from the discord forums a while back? |
| 20:29.47 | alestane | "WoW-2.4.3-to-3.0.1-TBC-USMX_Update" |
| 20:30.20 | steev | i don't think i am - i've always been just steev - so if its just steev - then it was probably/possibly me :) |
| 20:30.27 | steev | alestane: indeed |
| 20:31.45 | p3lim | im EU, and I dont use the launcher so.. wont see that any day (yet) :p |
| 20:32.07 | p3lim | but is there premades for beta servers now? |
| 20:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | "Do you know how hard it is to feed 95 people to a dragon one at a time?" hehe |
| 20:34.47 | steev | yeah, looks like this is Installer Tome 2.mpq |
| 20:36.55 | Duman | USMX ? |
| 20:38.02 | ScytheBlade1 | HOLY CRAP |
| 20:38.09 | ScytheBlade1 | PVE --> PVE TRANSFERS |
| 20:38.10 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 20:38.15 | haste | fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:38.20 | smcn | hours behind ;P |
| 20:38.30 | haste | years with that typo |
| 20:38.37 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 20:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I just spent a few hours in a lightrail train with no internet conenectivity |
| 20:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Q_Q |
| 20:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679894519&sid=1 |
| 20:38.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: pve->pve? er... |
| 20:39.00 | NightHawkTheSane | do you mean pve->pvp? |
| 20:39.05 | smcn | lol |
| 20:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean pve -> pvp |
| 20:39.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cause im pretty sure we could do pve->pve before ;) |
| 20:39.17 | zenzelezz | does that mean PvE -> PvP is open for EU realms too? |
| 20:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea, check your forums |
| 20:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | wow |
| 20:40.14 | NightHawkTheSane | this is great, i could totally transfer to a pvp realm now! |
| 20:40.17 | devXero | Transfers aren't particularly overloaded.. I just moved my mage back to PvP, and it only took ~ 20 minutes |
| 20:40.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i could also shoot myself in the face.. and i think that would be slightly more fun. |
| 20:40.46 | NightHawkTheSane | and probably less annoying. |
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| 20:41.19 | p3lim | Its paid-transfer, not open |
| 20:41.23 | Dewin | oops, I forgot to /join #wastingtime |
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| 20:42.35 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: the thing about PvE -> PvP transfers is that, at least on EU realms, PvP realms are much more represented in raiding. Top 20 EU raid servers are like 15-17 PvP, 1 RP, rest PvE |
| 20:42.51 | p3lim | hm i need a good unholy spec, anyone got some? |
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| 20:42.57 | Shirik|Ecole | holy shit |
| 20:42.59 | Shirik|Ecole | pve to pvp transfers allowed? |
| 20:43.01 | U5Mac | hey if I want to have my frame brought up by a slash command how do I set that up? |
| 20:43.03 | Shirik|Ecole | my server's screwed |
| 20:43.07 | Fisker- | consistency = win |
| 20:43.09 | p3lim | twiggling on wowhead cals atm |
| 20:43.11 | p3lim | calcs* |
| 20:43.16 | Fisker- | "BUT OH TEH NOES YOU ARE USING TEH HAXORS BY LEVELING ON TEH PVE REALM" |
| 20:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: *shrug* i'm just saying, you'd have to pay me a LOT of money to even consider dealing with mouthbreathers on pvp servers. |
| 20:43.47 | Fisker- | oh teh noes |
| 20:43.52 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, I can't stand the general PvP realm crowd, but if it means I can get to a better raid guild for WotLK, I'll deal with it :) Whatever works for you =) |
| 20:44.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Let's see: I could either use a PL service to get a character 70 on PvP realm |
| 20:44.09 | Shirik|Ecole | or I could level on PvE and transfer |
| 20:44.12 | Shirik|Ecole | what's the difference |
| 20:44.21 | Shirik|Ecole | (aside from one being legal, obviously) |
| 20:44.25 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: yeah, i can certainly understand that motivation. on the other hand, i actually -left- my friends' server, because i hated pvp realms so much. :\ |
| 20:44.26 | Fisker- | or you could level it yourself |
| 20:44.56 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, I started out on PvP originally and rerolled on PvE (went from US to EU, couldn't transfer) |
| 20:44.59 | Shirik|Ecole | Fisker-: That's merely my counterargument to your statement |
| 20:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda hope Jugg comes back to DH |
| 20:46.47 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll show you my juggs |
| 20:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 20:47.25 | Shirik|Ecole | ^_^ |
| 20:47.25 | zenzelezz | Jugg as in Juggernaut? |
| 20:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Aye |
| 20:47.31 | Tem | oh by the way |
| 20:47.31 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 20:47.34 | zenzelezz | of Sebudai fame? |
| 20:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | They just barely finished rerolling on PvP |
| 20:47.43 | Tem | the WAR trailer is pretty cool |
| 20:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And now they can just transfer |
| 20:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed @ zenzelezz |
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| 20:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: www.juggernautguild.com - they spent about two months rerolling from scratch and killed Kil'jadean in ~2mo of time total - and now their entire reason for rerolling is gone |
| 20:50.20 | zenzelezz | wow and ouch O_O |
| 20:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | They were on PvE, they rerolled on PvP to keep their guild going (no recrutiment pool, horde side PvE, it was all PvP) - and now.. yeah |
| 20:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | gg them |
| 20:51.47 | smcn | they saved 25 bucks |
| 20:51.48 | smcn | :P |
| 20:52.09 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc most of them prefer a PvE server. Likewise they just may come back. |
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| 21:01.30 | alestane | For some reason I find it intensely amusing that there really is a town called "Pigeon Forge, Tennesee". |
| 21:02.47 | Shirik|Ghost | Wow |
| 21:02.58 | Shirik|Ghost | Accuweather paints a grim message for Texas |
| 21:03.10 | Shirik|Ghost | They have this map up saying "Damage Potential" which is color coded into three categories: |
| 21:03.15 | Shirik|Ghost | Catastrophic, Extreme, and Major |
| 21:03.17 | Tekkub | interesting, I just learned my pets and mounts... and still have the items |
| 21:03.39 | Shirik|Ghost | http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/topheadline/2008/damage.jpg |
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| 21:07.32 | kd3 | whoowee... 821MB |
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| 21:08.11 | kromar | hi all |
| 21:08.39 | kromar | can someone tell me how i can replace project images on curse forge? oO |
| 21:09.01 | Neuro_Medivh | you'd probably be better off asking that in the curse channel |
| 21:09.11 | Tekkub | OMG... Cap'n placehold had children, and they're SO CUTE |
| 21:09.12 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2848606773/ |
| 21:09.22 | Tekkub | *Placeholder |
| 21:09.41 | Dewin | placeholder models? heh. |
| 21:09.42 | kromar | whats the name of the curse channel? curse? |
| 21:09.55 | Neuro_Medivh | dunno, wow-curse? anyone? |
| 21:10.06 | kd3 | #curseforge |
| 21:10.11 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.15 | kromar | curseforge seems fine |
| 21:10.17 | kromar | thx |
| 21:11.26 | U5Mac | hey can someone help me set up a slash command to open my frame? |
| 21:11.58 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 21:12.12 | kd3 | and eesh. ike's spanning the entire gulf |
| 21:12.16 | kd3 | http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200809_sat.html#a_topad |
| 21:13.34 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, they have it heading for Galveston now? |
| 21:13.45 | alestane | Don't remind malreth |
| 21:13.56 | Tekkub | oh noes, they drained SW canals too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2849448968/ |
| 21:13.58 | malreth | my SHRIMPS! |
| 21:14.02 | kd3 | s/galveston/the entire texas coast/ |
| 21:14.15 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but it looks like the eye is heading straight for galveston now |
| 21:14.28 | Neuro_Medivh | they HAD predicted it would hit further south, near corpus |
| 21:14.52 | kd3 | anything outside of 3 days is at best an educated guess. we're just now getting to the forecastable range |
| 21:15.17 | Neuro_Medivh | which means it'll probably be raining here in Dallas sunday |
| 21:15.20 | Neuro_Medivh | or sat. |
| 21:18.43 | p3lim | anyone know RGB values for purple? |
| 21:19.21 | Neuro_Medivh | R+B, so somewhere around 200,0,200 |
| 21:19.27 | alestane | Somewhere around #CC22CC or so... depends what kind of purple you want. |
| 21:19.52 | p3lim | mid-bright |
| 21:20.01 | p3lim | gotta see if i can find some site |
| 21:20.05 | p3lim | color maps :) |
| 21:20.18 | alestane | You can always use your web browser. |
| 21:20.55 | haste | or just use any graphics editor |
| 21:21.03 | alestane | <html style="background-color:#CC22CC"> <head><title></title><body></body></html> |
| 21:21.33 | p3lim | wanted rgb values, not hex colors |
| 21:21.50 | Hjalte | Does anyone know what settings to rub, when my sound from media player comes out to people when I talk via ventrilo= |
| 21:21.58 | nevcairiel | p3lim: learn to use a calculator, then |
| 21:22.10 | alestane | Against what scale? at least once you know what a color looks like it's just a matter of arithmetic. |
| 21:22.12 | p3lim | got no idea what C stands for |
| 21:22.25 | nevcairiel | C is C |
| 21:22.26 | nevcairiel | its hex |
| 21:22.27 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:22.38 | p3lim | exactly :p |
| 21:22.46 | p3lim | what would C be in rgb values? |
| 21:22.52 | Neuro_Medivh | C! |
| 21:22.54 | p3lim | cause I have no idea :p |
| 21:22.58 | erikd | hmmm... antispore.com eh? |
| 21:23.08 | nevcairiel | You shouldnt even be trying to coe _anything_ if you dont know the basics of hex |
| 21:23.09 | alestane | lua> return tonumber("0xCC", 16) |
| 21:23.10 | lua_bot | alestane: 204 |
| 21:23.23 | alestane | 204, 32, 204. |
| 21:23.45 | Neuro_Medivh | 22 is 34 actually, but meh |
| 21:24.01 | p3lim | i barely use hex, so I have no real reason to learn it |
| 21:24.05 | p3lim | time neither |
| 21:24.10 | alestane | lua> return 12 * 16 + 12 |
| 21:24.11 | lua_bot | alestane: 204 |
| 21:24.19 | alestane | Okay, good, I coded it right. |
| 21:24.46 | alestane | lua> return tonumber"0xCC" |
| 21:24.46 | lua_bot | alestane: 204 |
| 21:24.46 | p3lim | 150, 0, 200 suited me fine |
| 21:25.10 | alestane | Sorry, I do most of my color choosing for web development which likes hex values. |
| 21:25.24 | alestane | doitnow |
| 21:25.37 | alestane | I really need ot put a filter on that or something. |
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| 21:36.38 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679754227&sid=2000&pageNo=2#33 <-- ZOMG read bold part! |
| 21:38.36 | Esamynn | stackable clams, talk about true innovators! 8) |
| 21:38.39 | malreth | <3 stackable clams |
| 21:38.59 | Esamynn | masters of genetic manipulation, they are! |
| 21:39.17 | malreth | clams are slang for vagina |
| 21:39.24 | cog|work | sorta like what the Japanese did with watermelons! |
| 21:39.25 | malreth | i love my mind |
| 21:40.09 | foxlit | "we will now be allowing PvE-to-PvP transfers on a full-time basis to provide players with more mobility and freedom to easily play with their friends. " |
| 21:40.10 | foxlit | moo? |
| 21:40.26 | Esamynn | ~lart malreth |
| 21:40.26 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks malreth over |
| 21:40.36 | malreth | purl, kiss me |
| 21:40.36 | purl | ACTION forces malreth to give amro a big kiss on the neck |
| 21:40.48 | malreth | that's not what i asked for |
| 21:41.31 | Esamynn | ~laugh malreth |
| 21:41.32 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at malreth...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 21:41.39 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 21:41.39 | purl | thanks, Esamynn |
| 21:43.11 | Esamynn | kd3: maybe to increase the general availability of those pieces? |
| 21:43.58 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679754295&sid=2000 <-- erk |
| 21:44.36 | foxlit | "You fool! |
| 21:44.37 | foxlit | You could have eaten that carrot!" |
| 21:44.44 | foxlit | Clearly the best comment in thread |
| 21:44.59 | wereHamster | oh, background downloader. Never seen that running until now |
| 21:45.22 | wereHamster | WoW-2.4.3-to-3.0.1-TBC-EU-Update |
| 21:47.46 | Dewin | whaat? |
| 21:48.07 | Anaral | wereHamster I have that too, on US Beta though. o.O |
| 21:48.09 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679402958&sid=1 |
| 21:48.09 | Esamynn | does that mean they are changing all the mount speed increase item that you can't equip atm, back to being equipable items? |
| 21:48.24 | kd3 | no clue |
| 21:48.48 | Dewin | Is there a way to 'un-background' the background downloader? |
| 21:48.58 | Dewin | or wowtorrentex it, rather |
| 21:49.04 | kd3 | look in your cache folder |
| 21:49.06 | Esamynn | not really |
| 21:49.08 | kd3 | it's already extracted |
| 21:49.18 | Dewin | cute. |
| 21:49.19 | Esamynn | or right, I suppose you can |
| 21:49.25 | wereHamster | Anaral: I haven't used the launcher before, and apparently the background downloader is only started if you use the launcher .. |
| 21:49.35 | Esamynn | wereHamster: why don't you use the launcher? |
| 21:50.05 | Anaral | Ah |
| 21:50.14 | wereHamster | Esamynn: I usually start WoW with this: $ wine /games/World.of.Warcraft/WoW.exe |
| 21:50.18 | Anaral | I use the launcher only |
| 21:50.25 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 21:50.37 | Esamynn | you're one of the masochists who play wow with wine ;) |
| 21:50.49 | wereHamster | why masochist? |
| 21:50.52 | kd3 | better than paying the microsoft tax |
| 21:51.02 | Anaral | So where is this gold item merchant? |
| 21:52.02 | Dewin | heh, I can't find the proper place to put the mp3 file >.> |
| 21:52.09 | wereHamster | it worked OOTB in ubuntu (I was plesantly surprised), and I don't play WoW anyway. I just installed it because of the beta |
| 21:52.11 | Dewin | oh nvm, found it |
| 21:52.27 | Esamynn | random Neth quote: "I am doubtful that there will be any incidences of rampaging giant candles occurring in Dalaran unless there is some sort of Sorcerer's Apprentice type of incident in its future. " |
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| 22:06.17 | bleeter | 'Please check this option to enable the disabling of full bandwidth usage' arghargahagrgh silly new downloader |
| 22:06.36 | smcn | lol |
| 22:07.34 | Neuro_Medivh | to enable the disable/ |
| 22:07.49 | Neuro_Medivh | what if we want to disable the enabling of the disabling? |
| 22:07.58 | Neuro_Medivh | what do we enable for that? |
| 22:08.01 | bleeter | you evil bastard |
| 22:08.12 | bleeter | don't ask me stuff like that at 8AM in the morning while on my first coffee |
| 22:08.34 | U5Mac | I'm so freaking confused... if I want a slash command to just open a frame how do I do that? |
| 22:09.03 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, first of all, when you say "Open a frame", I assume you mean to Show that frame |
| 22:09.10 | U5Mac | ye |
| 22:09.27 | kneeki | Frame:Show() |
| 22:09.39 | Neuro_Medivh | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command will take you step by step through the process |
| 22:09.56 | U5Mac | I've been through that page on the wiki it doesn't take me anywhere |
| 22:10.05 | U5Mac | thank you kneeki, I'll try that |
| 22:10.51 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, next time ask the right question. You didn't want to make a slash command, you wanted to show the frame |
| 22:11.03 | Neuro_Medivh | unless you want both |
| 22:11.04 | U5Mac | I wanted both |
| 22:11.13 | Neuro_Medivh | in that case, go to the link I described |
| 22:11.20 | Neuro_Medivh | to create the slash command |
| 22:11.32 | U5Mac | but the link leaves me with so many questions |
| 22:11.38 | kneeki | U5Mac: He's right. |
| 22:11.41 | Neuro_Medivh | that's because it's generic |
| 22:11.42 | U5Mac | I have basic syntax for it but it means nothing for me |
| 22:11.43 | kneeki | What's the question? |
| 22:11.57 | kneeki | Post what code you have in a pasty so we can take a peek |
| 22:12.34 | Neuro_Medivh | In the Onload section of your code, you define the slash command. If you don't have an Onload section, you'll need to make one |
| 22:12.38 | U5Mac | right now I don't really have a code I'm staring at the screen burning brain cells lol |
| 22:12.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Also, you can just define it after you define the command |
| 22:12.56 | U5Mac | mmk, but do I need an onload in the xml as well? |
| 22:13.01 | kneeki | U5Mac: You're never going to figure it out if you don't try ;) |
| 22:13.06 | kneeki | And you don't need an XML file |
| 22:13.24 | U5Mac | but the xml has my frame |
| 22:13.35 | kneeki | ok |
| 22:13.37 | kneeki | What's your frame name? |
| 22:13.53 | U5Mac | Comparator |
| 22:14.00 | kneeki | give me a minute |
| 22:15.10 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: matter of curiousity, do you know if anyone's investigated the security of Blizz's webpages (eg, account admin) with a view to sidejacking sessions? |
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| 22:17.17 | kneeki | U5Mac: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95853 |
| 22:17.32 | kneeki | There's a very simple way to get your slash handler rolling |
| 22:17.59 | Neuro_Medivh | or for a super-simple version: http://wowi.pastey.net/95854 |
| 22:18.01 | kneeki | You would use /u5mac open or /comparator open to 'open' your frame |
| 22:18.20 | Neuro_Medivh | note, mine carries no guarantee of working |
| 22:18.22 | kneeki | Neuro_Medivh: lol you're right. But mine is a bit easier to expand from. |
| 22:18.40 | kneeki | Nor mine ;) |
| 22:19.00 | U5Mac | I'll take a look at these, thanks much |
| 22:19.09 | kneeki | Have fun |
| 22:19.20 | Neuro_Medivh | above all, play with it. test it, make it your own! |
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| 22:19.33 | Neuro_Medivh | seriously. Test it. It probably doesn't work right. |
| 22:19.40 | kneeki | Mine ~should~ work |
| 22:19.47 | kneeki | I didn't test it though |
| 22:22.34 | U5Mac | what's that argv stuff? |
| 22:22.50 | Neuro_Medivh | that's for a 2 part command |
| 22:22.52 | kneeki | It allows you to use other variables in your slash handler |
| 22:22.56 | Neuro_Medivh | like /comp hide |
| 22:22.58 | Neuro_Medivh | and /comp show |
| 22:23.01 | kneeki | exactly |
| 22:23.37 | U5Mac | I see |
| 22:23.54 | kneeki | Use and if-else-then statement to keep that area of the function clean though |
| 22:24.30 | U5Mac | is it possible to have something like "/comp" show and then also have other args passed? like "/comp options" open a seperate options frame? |
| 22:24.40 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 22:24.40 | kneeki | Yes |
| 22:24.45 | kneeki | Hence the if-else-then |
| 22:25.10 | U5Mac | ok cool, I think I've got my footing now |
| 22:25.38 | Neuro_Medivh | Is it possible to hook OnEnter? Like, for every OnEnter? |
| 22:25.53 | kneeki | U5Mac: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95855 |
| 22:26.10 | kneeki | Neuro_Medivh: I'm unsure... |
| 22:26.29 | kneeki | Depends on what your hooking into =p |
| 22:26.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, I want to make an addon that any time the mouse enters a frame that isn't the UIParent, it randomly moves that frame |
| 22:26.52 | kneeki | lol wth |
| 22:26.56 | kneeki | People will hate you |
| 22:27.11 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, it's not intended to be a useful addon =) |
| 22:27.18 | kneeki | lol oh |
| 22:27.30 | Neuro_Medivh | more a theoretical exercise for myself |
| 22:28.20 | U5Mac | kneeki: so then something like http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95856 would also work |
| 22:28.43 | kneeki | I wouldn't do that |
| 22:28.44 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe I'll call it "Mazzleframes" |
| 22:29.19 | U5Mac | so it doesn't look for a blank string it'd just quantify it as a string in general? |
| 22:29.24 | kd3 | my gods how far we've come |
| 22:29.37 | kneeki | kd3: BSG much? |
| 22:29.40 | Neuro_Medivh | U5mac, try "if options then show Comperatoroptions else show comperator" |
| 22:30.00 | Neuro_Medivh | obviously I'm speaking in pseudocode |
| 22:30.05 | kd3 | amazing... 2 gigs of data in the size of a fingernail |
| 22:30.07 | kneeki | U5Mac: I would use http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95857 |
| 22:30.09 | U5Mac | yea that's fine |
| 22:30.40 | U5Mac | yea that's what neuro said too |
| 22:30.49 | U5Mac | seems like a better way to put it |
| 22:30.51 | kneeki | yeah |
| 22:32.40 | kneeki | U5Mac: If you learn from examples as I do, go download my addon Minimalisque from geekbocks.com - I like to think I code in a very simple and easy to read later way. Also, the addon does a number of different things, so there is a big sandbox for you to look around in |
| 22:33.12 | U5Mac | I'll do that |
| 22:33.23 | kneeki | I hope it helps |
| 22:33.29 | kneeki | I'm out, later peeps |
| 22:33.53 | U5Mac | all the examples I'm trying to look at are so in depth that I can't understand a damn thing lol |
| 22:34.11 | U5Mac | well I get the jist but not how to use it in my own way |
| 22:36.54 | Neuro_Medivh | here's an easy example: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95858 |
| 22:38.20 | U5Mac | hahaha |
| 22:38.36 | U5Mac | rolled right into that one |
| 22:38.40 | alestane | Neuro_Medivh: That's some strange syntax. |
| 22:38.59 | alestane | Are you constructing an array or a set? |
| 22:39.22 | Neuro_Medivh | you know the rules (of syntax) |
| 22:39.24 | Neuro_Medivh | and so do I |
| 22:39.37 | alestane | I do, and that snippet makes sense according to none of them. |
| 22:40.14 | alestane | The brackets say you should be assigning explicit indices, but the lack of assignments says it's an array. |
| 22:41.02 | Neuro_Medivh | I can't tell if you're just playing along, or if you're genuinely trying to help me =) |
| 22:43.13 | End | ok...thank god for ScytheBlade1's patch directory |
| 22:43.17 | alestane | Help? I doubt I can seriously help. But there's no reason your practical jokes shouldn't compile. |
| 22:43.23 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 22:43.24 | End | for some retarded reason it won't download the last patch o_O |
| 22:43.41 | End | (and reinstalling the beta sounds like hell...) |
| 22:50.49 | smcn | The character copy queue is currently full. damn it! i forgot to transfer the jewelcrafter |
| 22:55.03 | Neuro_Medivh | full? the beta queue? geez, just how many accounts did they give out??? |
| 22:55.36 | smcn | pretty sure it was a huge wave |
| 22:55.49 | Neuro_Medivh | it apparently was... |
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| 22:56.12 | Neuro_Medivh | wassap C o g wheel! |
| 22:56.59 | U5Mac | butterfly in the sky... |
| 22:57.17 | devXero | anyone know any decent multibox addons? |
| 22:57.44 | Neuro_Medivh | um, what would qualify as a multibox addon? |
| 22:58.12 | devXero | *shrug* something to make the process of multiboxing easier... auto click popups, stuff like that |
| 22:58.32 | devXero | I would really like something with quest selection, but I don't think it's possible |
| 22:58.45 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't think it is |
| 22:59.04 | devXero | everything I find as far as key cloners are all win based, so that's out for me |
| 22:59.29 | Neuro_Medivh | just so you know, key cloners are technically illegal for wow, iirc |
| 22:59.35 | devXero | really? |
| 22:59.41 | Neuro_Medivh | third party addon |
| 22:59.48 | devXero | meh, doesn't matter |
| 22:59.49 | Neuro_Medivh | not sure how much they enforce it tbh |
| 22:59.53 | devXero | <-- osx |
| 23:00.22 | cogwheel | Neuro_Medivh: were you purposefully trying not to ping me with that? :P |
| 23:00.38 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, i was just trying to make it cooler |
| 23:01.26 | [Liquidor] | Neuro_Medivh, what? No it isn't |
| 23:02.17 | [Liquidor] | Neuro_Medivh, that would make Windows itself "illegal" as well for helping you with your keyboard and mouse usage etc etc. |
| 23:02.55 | Neuro_Medivh | [Liquidor]: shrug, then how is glider illegal? you could make the same argument |
| 23:03.17 | [Liquidor] | Because glider reads the memory? |
| 23:03.22 | [Liquidor] | .....shrug |
| 23:03.32 | Neuro_Medivh | so does Windows, and your mouse driver |
| 23:03.41 | [Liquidor] | Not of the game |
| 23:04.34 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm simply saying, it's very much a judgement call as far as what constitutes an unallowed third party app |
| 23:04.42 | [Liquidor] | WoW reads the mouse driver, not the other way around. Glider directly uses the memory of WoW.exe and autoruns based on events etc... A Keycloning software does not interfer with WoW.exe itself |
| 23:04.54 | [Liquidor] | If you know nothing about it, please don't post false statements then. |
| 23:05.23 | [Liquidor] | devXero, checkout the multibox websites. They usually have MMO related forums helping out with UI and Addons specific for WoW |
| 23:05.47 | bleeter | oO PvE->PvP is now available |
| 23:05.52 | [Liquidor] | Ye |
| 23:06.04 | [Liquidor] | Lots of QQ everywhere :) |
| 23:06.06 | Dewin | that scares me. |
| 23:06.23 | devXero | [Liquidor]: thanks, I was checking them out.. 99% windows, and there's a ton of addons I've found, I was more or less looking for a recommendation to aid in a decision |
| 23:06.46 | [Liquidor] | Hmm |
| 23:07.21 | [Liquidor] | I can't remember the addons I used once, but I do know I found them on wowinterface.com |
| 23:07.28 | devXero | I'm trying to take advantage of the trip xp situation atm. I completely bought a second account just for the zhevra mount :P |
| 23:07.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 23:07.35 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 23:07.55 | [Liquidor] | Heh |
| 23:08.08 | [Liquidor] | You don't have to multibox for it I hear. |
| 23:08.20 | [Liquidor] | All you have to do is link it back to your own account then go level and give the levels to yourself |
| 23:10.25 | Duman | lolforums |
| 23:10.51 | devXero | [Liquidor]: Needs to be grouped: 2. While adventuring with your linked friend/family member, you will each gain triple experience. |
| 23:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I do not |
| 23:11.16 | [Liquidor] | devXero, Okay. Too bad :) |
| 23:11.21 | devXero | :P |
| 23:11.48 | [Liquidor] | well if it's just the 2 of you it's as simple as a /follow and 2 windows open :) |
| 23:12.13 | [Liquidor] | ...and an Quest auto-accept/turnin |
| 23:12.16 | [Liquidor] | a* |
| 23:15.20 | devXero | odd.. ungrouped, 48xp for killing a level 2 duskbat @ lvl 3... grouped, 54xp for the same kill |
| 23:15.54 | devXero | doesn't sound like triple anything to me :P |
| 23:15.54 | bleeter | both level 3 toons? |
| 23:15.57 | devXero | yep |
| 23:16.54 | wereHamster | lua> return 48*3/2 |
| 23:16.55 | lua_bot | wereHamster: 72 |
| 23:17.34 | Drundia | it's interesting, what if bot software doesn't interact with wow.exe, but instead obtains data from the video memory (with addons helping in sorting information), and sends "hardware events" back to wow. is it goiung to be as legal as all cool multiboxing stuff? |
| 23:18.13 | [dRaCo] | reading wow's memory is against the ToS, so no |
| 23:18.15 | Thrae | Drundia: No, that's still break the ToS. A program doesn't exist in one place in memory. |
| 23:18.25 | devXero | video memory wouldn't do much.. you would have to read system memory |
| 23:18.28 | wereHamster | [dRaCo]: does vram belong to wow's memory? |
| 23:18.39 | [dRaCo] | if it's filled with data from WoW, yes |
| 23:18.40 | Drundia | well actually the displayed data |
| 23:18.54 | wereHamster | [dRaCo]: so the windowing system isn't allowed to read from it? |
| 23:19.07 | Drundia | if you have wow running in window, but not focused, or don't have print screen bound in wow, you can copy screen contents into clipboard |
| 23:19.39 | Thrae | wereHamster: In Windows, yes. Windows allocutes a certain portion of VRAM for DirectX applications that require access to it, even Windowed. In Fullscreen, it's Exclusive. |
| 23:19.58 | Thrae | wereHamster: In Vista, they pushed it further into TAG. |
| 23:20.08 | wereHamster | Thrae: what's TAG? |
| 23:20.14 | [dRaCo] | well, I'd say that Blizzard would have to be pretty stupid to forbid using windows... |
| 23:21.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, forum maint on the day they announce pve -> pvp |
| 23:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Somehow I would not be surprised if this stuck around for several days |
| 23:21.14 | [Liquidor] | :) |
| 23:21.30 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: glad I'm not the only one with a [Tinfoil Hat] equipped ;) |
| 23:21.35 | Thrae | Total Available Graphics Memory. In Vista, the OS allocutes some of system RAM for exclusive use by your computer's graphics processor. It can then use this for operations that don't need the extra speed of its available VRAM, and helps for lower-end cards with low VRAM or shared VRAM. |
| 23:21.37 | [Liquidor] | EU is fine but well spammed about PvE -> PvP topics: http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 |
| 23:22.05 | ScytheBlade1 | On a less optimistic note, I'd imagine that the gold sellers are pleased as well |
| 23:22.28 | bleeter | probably a bunch of hacked accounts that are, too |
| 23:22.29 | [Liquidor] | Who cares about them anyway? |
| 23:22.30 | Thrae | wereHamster: An online game especially has an insane number of textures it needs to cache due to everyone having their own outfits, so you get a bonus there. |
| 23:22.40 | wereHamster | Thrae: like a AGP aperture? |
| 23:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The thousands of people who buy guild likely care |
| 23:22.48 | bleeter | 'sorry, it's been too long to recover your PvP hacked and transferred toon, learn to enjoy PvE' |
| 23:22.54 | [Liquidor] | Filter their spam, don't use their service = Total ignore |
| 23:23.06 | Thrae | wereHamster: TAG is completely software. |
| 23:24.02 | [Liquidor] | Is it against the TOS to collect the data via port sniffing? |
| 23:24.05 | wereHamster | Thrae: windows has to be able to move these textures from system memory into memory accessible by the gpu. |
| 23:24.10 | bleeter | [Liquidor]: yes |
| 23:24.21 | [Liquidor] | Oh bummer, hope they won't spot me then :) |
| 23:24.30 | devXero | hmm.. yeah, I'm not seeing triple xp at all... I even logged out the other account to make sure I was getting proper base read |
| 23:24.37 | Dewin | well, if someobody else does it, that somebody else technically never agreed to the terms of service... |
| 23:24.39 | [Liquidor] | Nothing is encrypted pre-WoW.exe |
| 23:24.44 | [Liquidor] | Raw data ftw |
| 23:25.09 | bleeter | well, there's that instance of that profiling tool that's clearly data mining the live network stream, I don't recall hearing any 'ruling' on it, though. I should go hunting for Cairenn's post on that topic, see if there's any news |
| 23:25.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Slackwise (n=Lance@c-24-13-181-223.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:25.45 | Cairenn | no, there isn't |
| 23:25.48 | wereHamster | Thrae: I only know about linux drivers. They can use all of the system memory, but only so much can be accessed by the GPU at any given time (through the aperture) |
| 23:25.48 | kd3 | heh. forum maint |
| 23:25.54 | Cairenn | I've no idea whatever happened with it |
| 23:26.03 | Cairenn | and the tool in question was Magelo |
| 23:26.52 | [Liquidor] | Last year I wrote several apps. intercepting the data for horde->alliance translation etc. It's a fun thing to do when you are bored tho |
| 23:27.36 | Thrae | wereHamster: It's like virtual memory. Vista has integrated the idea of sharing RAM with a GPU used by integrated graphics solutions with any video card. |
| 23:28.46 | devXero | aha! |
| 23:29.36 | [Liquidor] | devXero, just go extreme boxing: http://tech.moroblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/wowaddict1.jpg |
| 23:29.52 | [Liquidor] | Hardware: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/equipment1%201.jpg |
| 23:30.16 | U5Mac | loggin off for now, thnx to all who've helped me today |
| 23:32.13 | devXero | [Liquidor]: looking |
| 23:32.27 | bleeter | I'd tell you guys the easiest way to do it, but I'm afraid Cairenn would baninate my ass from here to eternity if I spelled it out :P |
| 23:32.34 | devXero | oh shizzle |
| 23:32.35 | Drundia | seeing that translations are static you can make some basic horde-alliance communication even through addon, but with some big message lengtht overhead. |
| 23:32.38 | devXero | that's insane |
| 23:32.55 | [Liquidor] | Drundia, not good enough |
| 23:33.19 | Drundia | tbh i'd say that should replace all of it with "says something unintelligible" kind of emotions |
| 23:33.38 | End | I think it was AnduinLothar who got in a ton of trouble for writing a cross-faction translator very early on :P |
| 23:33.51 | End | yeah, they don't like it when you do that |
| 23:33.52 | bleeter | seem to recall something like that |
| 23:34.06 | [Liquidor] | Drundia, Hello, how are you? => "Kuzug mhag kil fau" ...... "Yo, what's up dude? => "Kuzug mhag kil fau" |
| 23:34.23 | Drundia | uhm, well |
| 23:34.36 | Drundia | i mean that addon would allow communicating between people running it |
| 23:34.50 | [Liquidor] | eh |
| 23:35.12 | Drundia | so addon makes those messages go out in such way that on the other side same addon can form original one again |
| 23:35.24 | bleeter | wonder how they will police that kinda foo if they ever eventually have out of game chat (they've said in the past it's something they'd like) |
| 23:35.29 | Drundia | just some encoding and decoding |
| 23:35.48 | [Liquidor] | All you can do is 1-letter messages then and combine sentences with spam then, but others without the addon would see it as spam |
| 23:35.54 | [Liquidor] | + Blizzard doesn't allow any attempts of it |
| 23:36.05 | bleeter | not to mention it's explicitly banned in the ToS |
| 23:36.12 | [Liquidor] | ^ |
| 23:36.17 | bleeter | any form of crossfaction comms |
| 23:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | [19:36] bleeter: not to mention it's explicitly banned in the ToS |
| 23:36.32 | [Liquidor] | Too bad they fixed the Mind Control comm |
| 23:36.33 | Drundia | anyone of you playing alliance? OH NOES WE'LL GET BANNED! |
| 23:36.57 | [Liquidor] | What's with people today? Taking everything out of context |
| 23:37.06 | [Liquidor] | Drundia, your mom is a stone, you know that aight? |
| 23:37.08 | smcn | hey baby, you horde or alliance? |
| 23:37.31 | bleeter | [Liquidor]: too much Beta and qq at earlier talent iterations. Out of context foo is now the norm. |
| 23:37.33 | Drundia | well, people can already communicate cross-faction, just not in game |
| 23:37.36 | [Liquidor] | stone = rock* (stupid Danish) |
| 23:37.56 | smcn | [Liquidor]: it's been a common theme this week, pig with lipstick anyone? |
| 23:38.11 | [Liquidor] | Does your mom fly? No. Does a rock fly? No. So.... Your mom must be a rock |
| 23:38.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, the background is webseeded... |
| 23:38.26 | [Liquidor] | ScytheBlade1, so far |
| 23:38.32 | [Liquidor] | Has to be shared somehow |
| 23:38.49 | bleeter | wonder if it's too late to request a minor mage glyph of [Poly: Lipstick - Puts lipstick on your sheep, pig, turtle or penguin] |
| 23:38.50 | Drundia | it's same as foul words: you may want to use, you may want to not, you may want to filter them out, you may want to not. |
| 23:39.01 | smcn | lool |
| 23:39.10 | wereHamster | Thrae: The windows and linux intel driver developers had a nice chat at the last IDF. IIRC both windows and linux are using a similar approach in managing the GPU memory. And now the developers will be working together (share code between the windows and linux drivers where possible). |
| 23:39.45 | [Liquidor] | Uuuh I'm doing my part: 4.66 MB Uploaded |
| 23:39.52 | Thunder_Child | actually [Liquidor] rocks do fly, asteroids |
| 23:40.02 | Thunder_Child | and comets |
| 23:40.02 | bleeter | very small rocks float, as well |
| 23:40.05 | [Liquidor] | So does your mom if she was out there |
| 23:40.11 | [Liquidor] | Flying is relative then |
| 23:40.26 | bleeter | african or european rocks? |
| 23:40.38 | Thunder_Child | lol bleeter |
| 23:40.45 | Thunder_Child | grail ftw |
| 23:41.23 | smcn | your mom is relative |
| 23:41.26 | smcn | to.. yourself |
| 23:41.35 | bleeter | goddamn forums, how am I meant to suggest that lipstic glyph when yer down?? |
| 23:41.48 | smcn | suggest feedback ingame imo |
| 23:41.58 | [Liquidor] | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=10024 |
| 23:42.01 | bleeter | barely got the bandwidth for IRC atm :P |
| 23:42.50 | devXero | [Liquidor]: http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/07/multiboxing_setup.jpg |
| 23:43.02 | [Liquidor] | Seen it |
| 23:43.08 | [Liquidor] | It's nothing |
| 23:43.26 | devXero | beats my 3 x 22" mac pro system by far :P |
| 23:43.29 | bleeter | btw, Velath(sp), one of the more well known US multiboxers, got Beta invites yesterday. If you see her around, give a /wave! :) |
| 23:43.48 | [Liquidor] | devXero, http://www.gameslah.com/evolution/32box-xmas.jpg |
| 23:43.51 | TecnoBrat | bleeter, [Poly: Badass - Shear your sheep, and dress it up in leather and tattoos" |
| 23:44.01 | bleeter | iirc her and her b/f were the first to MB clear Kara |
| 23:44.05 | [Liquidor] | Imagine the subscription |
| 23:44.10 | [Liquidor] | ...of http://www.gameslah.com/evolution/32box-xmas.jpg |
| 23:44.19 | devXero | jebus |
| 23:44.27 | devXero | I think I wet myself |
| 23:44.41 | smcn | anyone have experience with qwest dsl? mainly in comparison with comcast? |
| 23:44.49 | devXero | I would much prefer 32 x mac-mini's though |
| 23:45.28 | Thrae | smcn: Qwest DSL is more of a devil then Comcast is, but not much more. Qwest mostly sells to businesses and doesn't cater to the residential customer. |
| 23:46.08 | Thrae | smcn: It was just recently that Qwest said they'll be trying to improve their infrastructure a little, but they have no plans on going near FiOS or anything similiar. |
| 23:46.09 | [Liquidor] | 100Mbit/20Mbit here <3 |
| 23:46.13 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: personally, i prefer qwest dsl to comcast |
| 23:46.35 | NightHawkTheSane | but, I've had -very- bad experiences with comcast's cable modem |
| 23:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 3287 fragments, spawning 33 threads... |
| 23:46.54 | Thrae | Qwest actually sued Seattle to try and stop them from building their own fiber broadband solution. |
| 23:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Man my script is awesome |
| 23:46.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Ackis (n=asdf@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 23:47.03 | [Liquidor] | Isn't it possible to download the patch, crack it a bit and seed it through the blizz downloader? |
| 23:47.14 | Dewin | No. |
| 23:47.26 | [Liquidor] | hash check? |
| 23:47.29 | Dewin | because the downloader includes the md5 sum of each 'chunk' + an md5 of the entire file |
| 23:47.32 | smcn | Thrae: i could have sworn i saw a commercial for qwest fios... maybe it was verizon |
| 23:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Every 256kb chunk of data is hashed individually |
| 23:47.59 | Dewin | you could try it, but after receiving bad data from you a couple times individual clients would ban you |
| 23:48.19 | Dewin | or you could try to find a hash collision |
| 23:48.40 | [Liquidor] | Matching all 1.000 parts of the files? rofl |
| 23:48.56 | Dewin | though I suspect the work of finding a hash collision for one 256k chunk that still matches the entire download would be fun |
| 23:50.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Kolie (n=kraft@72.146.1.103) |
| 23:50.14 | Dewin | btw, who was using utorrent to do the background download? I saw you in my list of peers at 95% after I was done and seeding |
| 23:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably a lot of people |
| 23:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering that the background downloader gives you a plain .torrent in a public directory |
| 23:51.46 | Dewin | Only one person in my ~30 peers was |
| 23:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | There are many many more people than 30 peers grabbing it :) |
| 23:52.12 | Dewin | True. |
| 23:52.24 | Dewin | But only 30 were important enough to be MY peers, I guess ;) |
| 23:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 23:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | real 1m38.225s |
| 23:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | For 821MB |
| 23:53.06 | kd3 | I h8 u |
| 23:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: ^ |
| 23:53.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't blame you, I hate me too |
| 23:53.19 | Dewin | not bad |
| 23:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish my home connection was that well off |
| 23:53.26 | Dewin | my record is somewhere around 860kbps |
| 23:53.28 | [Liquidor] | Hmm |
| 23:53.39 | [Liquidor] | Just a thought, is 400+ played days a lot? |
| 23:53.48 | Dewin | yes. |
| 23:53.51 | bleeter | played or /played? |
| 23:53.52 | Dewin | get a life |
| 23:53.56 | [Liquidor] | (+ is oldschool PTR) |
| 23:54.03 | ScytheBlade1 | (821 MB) / (78 s) = 10 778.2564 kilobytes / second |
| 23:54.05 | [Liquidor] | /played ofc ;) |
| 23:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic win |
| 23:54.14 | bleeter | mind you, I think I've clocked up about 100 days just standing in front of the AH |
| 23:54.27 | [Liquidor] | heh |
| 23:54.40 | Dewin | now now Scythe, did you bring enough bandwidth for the whole internet? |
| 23:54.57 | [Liquidor] | ScytheBlade1, I don't understand the numbers,. |
| 23:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, apparently just 10mbit |
| 23:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | [Liquidor]: I pulled the entire 821MB of the prepatch at 10778kB/sec |
| 23:55.25 | [Liquidor] | Arh okay |
| 23:55.31 | [Liquidor] | I could do that if I had a server to pull it from |
| 23:55.42 | [Liquidor] | Oh wait |
| 23:55.45 | [Liquidor] | I could do better |
| 23:56.06 | [Liquidor] | My highest is 14mB... |
| 23:56.35 | Dewin | My wife will probably download it faster... actually probably not, since the gigabit hutb isn't set up atm |
| 23:56.44 | [Liquidor] | :) |
| 23:56.49 | Dewin | but that's because by 'download' I mean 'copy it from a shared folder on my computer' |
| 23:57.09 | [Liquidor] | We can't go faster than 20mB as a private customer in DK |
| 23:57.18 | Rabbitbunny | Donkey Kong? |
| 23:57.28 | [Liquidor] | oh ye US channel... Denmark |
| 23:58.29 | Dewin | Rabbit: I used to code+admin a specialized forum system for people who do forum-based roleplaying. |
| 23:58.43 | Dewin | I was rather surprised to learn that some of my more well-known users were from australia and malaysia |
| 23:58.52 | [Liquidor] | By the way, is it possible to implement other localizations than the game client within ace? Such as daDK (Danish) or others? |
| 23:58.53 | Dewin | and this was back in like.. '99 |
| 23:59.54 | [Liquidor] | WoW is rather popular in Denmark. Even teenage girls play the game and are all localized on EU-Ravencrest and others |
