| 00:00.32 | ckknight | smcn: playing D&D? |
| 00:00.39 | ckknight | wait, no, that's 12 seconds in 2 hours. |
| 00:00.42 | smcn | lol |
| 00:00.44 | Dewin | LOL |
| 00:00.51 | smcn | server shutdown in 15 -> server shutdown in 5 |
| 00:01.06 | Dewin | impatient GMs? |
| 00:01.19 | kd3 | that or the database is about to crash |
| 00:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Because GMs can shut down servers ^^ |
| 00:01.27 | kd3 | it's annoying that the 15m warning is hardcoded like that |
| 00:01.35 | smcn | or maybe the world server was already down so there wasn't really anyone to warn |
| 00:01.40 | smcn | except for me since i was just sitting in org |
| 00:01.51 | cncfanatics | well, rly, kd3 is right |
| 00:01.55 | cncfanatics | the 15min warning is hardcoded |
| 00:02.06 | cncfanatics | and, I'm going to bed |
| 00:02.06 | Dewin | I played (and briefly GM'd) for a pay-to-play MUD... so we'd have our generic server shutdown messages, and then for the last minute or two the GMs would start putting funny things in the messaging. |
| 00:02.24 | cncfanatics | g'night people |
| 00:02.47 | Dewin | it'd be like... Announcement: <game> is going down for maintenance right about... now. You should log off. Now. Really. It's sunny outside. |
| 00:02.54 | smcn | lol |
| 00:04.37 | Dewin | Does anybody know a good starting point/tutorial for modifying the standard blizzard frames, specifically the friends list but even a generic guide would help. |
| 00:04.46 | Dewin | From a developer standpoint, that is. |
| 00:04.54 | Dewin | I think I'm finally going to try to work on Hooru. |
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| 00:05.15 | Syzgyn | Dewin: your best bet is to look at the code and find where it does what you want to change |
| 00:05.25 | Syzgyn | Then hook/replace that function |
| 00:06.10 | Dewin | also... why must the friendlist be limited to 100 people. That's going to make some aspects of this particularly interesting to code. |
| 00:06.26 | Syzgyn | ...You have more than 100 people on your friends list? |
| 00:06.41 | Dewin | No. |
| 00:06.43 | Esine | I constantly run out of space on my friends list and have to delete people :( |
| 00:06.46 | smcn | doesn't everyone? |
| 00:06.48 | Dewin | But I have to account for that possibility. |
| 00:06.51 | Syzgyn | I have maybe 20 |
| 00:07.00 | Syzgyn | What are you trying to do Dewin? |
| 00:07.01 | Dewin | That being said, I have some ideas on how you could 'fake' a larger friendlist |
| 00:07.21 | Dewin | well, it's a large collection of various ideas Szygyn. Basically... |
| 00:08.16 | Rabbitbunny | Wait. There's a way to return the freinds list? |
| 00:08.24 | Dewin | 1) You can set who your alts are, and Hooru (aka "Who are you") will broadcast the list on the addon channels. Other Hooru addons (or anything else that takes advantage of it) won't actually make the connection until it gets the same information from the alt(s) in question, so you can't spoof that you're someone else's alt. |
| 00:08.58 | Dewin | 2) You can specify who someone else's alts are for your own use. And if you /t Main, it'll redirect to whatever alt is actually online |
| 00:09.16 | Dewin | (using friendslist, chatlist, guild, or receiving a tell as the means of determining who is actually online) |
| 00:09.25 | Syzgyn | Interesting idea |
| 00:09.46 | Dewin | 3) When you friend someone, it will record which of your toon(s) friended them, what level you were, where you were, and the date |
| 00:10.14 | Dewin | so when Joerandompaladin messages you and you look on your friend list and see that you befriended him in deadmines on Altninetytwo, you'll (hopefully) remember why you friended him. |
| 00:10.26 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 00:11.02 | Syzgyn | I would definitely use that last bit |
| 00:11.17 | Syzgyn | not so much on the alt thing |
| 00:11.27 | ckknight | cya all later |
| 00:11.30 | Syzgyn | but I tend to remember alts :) |
| 00:11.34 | Dewin | well |
| 00:11.35 | Dewin | I remember alts |
| 00:11.43 | Dewin | But I always try to /t theirmainsname |
| 00:15.09 | Dewin | oh, also friends list synchronization, but I figure that's a given |
| 00:16.08 | Dewin | As for faking more than 100 friends, I figure it can cheat and periodically remove a portion of your offline friends and add another group to test to see if they're online. |
| 00:16.23 | Dewin | or remove friends that are also in your guild |
| 00:18.11 | smcn | are the druid minor glyphs implemented yet? figured i would see some on the AH if they were |
| 00:18.52 | Jamash | I haven't seen any minor glyphs in inscription |
| 00:19.02 | Jamash | I think they're NYI |
| 00:19.24 | smcn | hope they come up with one for trees ;P |
| 00:19.42 | smcn | 4 of them, one for each season! |
| 00:20.07 | Dewin | heh! |
| 00:20.07 | Jamash | there's some talk of giving droods a better way to change form appearance than glyphs |
| 00:20.12 | Jamash | but nothing specific |
| 00:20.28 | Jamash | 'cause it'd suck to have to use all your minor glyph slots for forms |
| 00:20.29 | Dewin | well if they get seasonal trees, then boomkin should get a glowing red nose in winter to go with their antlers. |
| 00:20.36 | smcn | lol |
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| 00:24.29 | NightHawkAtWork | hm. Anyone know of a good multiple-desktop thingy for xp? |
| 00:24.54 | Arrowmaster | theres an official one from microsoft |
| 00:25.11 | NightHawkAtWork | is there? |
| 00:25.11 | Arrowmaster | in the powertoys download section |
| 00:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | A second monitor |
| 00:25.17 | NightHawkAtWork | er |
| 00:25.20 | smcn | kinda blows though, you can't move windows between desktops |
| 00:25.51 | NightHawkAtWork | to be sure, i mean virtual desktops, not like multiple monitors |
| 00:25.58 | smcn | yes |
| 00:26.15 | Esine | NightHawkAtWork, there's Fluxbox for Windows I believe :) |
| 00:26.16 | Arrowmaster | i use blackbox as my shell on windows and it has perty good virtual desktop support although i dont really use it much |
| 00:26.20 | Esine | and other alternative window managers |
| 00:26.30 | NightHawkAtWork | hm. |
| 00:26.33 | NightHawkAtWork | I'll have to look into it |
| 00:26.45 | Esine | well, or blackbox which is basically the same |
| 00:26.49 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah |
| 00:26.57 | NightHawkAtWork | i'm familiar with them for *nix |
| 00:27.09 | NightHawkAtWork | i used to use fluxbox on debian years ago |
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| 00:32.49 | Adys | Whats the xml file for the character selection screen? |
| 00:32.54 | Adys | CharacterFrame ? |
| 00:33.00 | Jamash | that would be in gluexml |
| 00:33.07 | Adys | yeah Jam |
| 00:33.17 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, you can't really md it, though. |
| 00:33.21 | NightHawkAtWork | mod* |
| 00:33.31 | Adys | nah im just interested in the code |
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| 01:26.12 | Fogger | anyone know what call I can use to check if a weapon is equiped? tried GetInventorySlotInfo() hoping its textureName arg would be nil if no weapon equiped, but it isnt. |
| 01:27.46 | Fogger | mmm, GetInventoryItemCount() might do the trick |
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| 01:29.17 | JoshBorke | he dieded |
| 01:30.34 | JoshBorke | GetInventoryItemLink |
| 01:31.14 | JoshBorke | !api GetInventoryItemLink |
| 01:31.15 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetInventoryItemLink' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInventoryItemLink |
| 01:31.27 | Fogger | will that return nil? |
| 01:31.39 | Fogger | ok I'll jsut read it :P |
| 01:32.09 | Fogger | doesnt state what it outputs when slot empty |
| 01:32.17 | JoshBorke | try it, it'll be empty |
| 01:32.23 | JoshBorke | as in an empty string |
| 01:32.31 | Fogger | "", not nil? |
| 01:32.52 | JoshBorke | !api GetInventorySlotInfo |
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| 01:32.53 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetInventorySlotInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInventorySlotInfo |
| 01:33.23 | Fogger | right, GetInventorySlotInfo probably doese work then, I was just checking for nil instead of empty string |
| 01:33.50 | JoshBorke | The path to the texture to be displayed when this slot is empty |
| 01:34.10 | JoshBorke | is what getinventoryslotinfo returns |
| 01:34.18 | Fogger | yeah, already played with that one |
| 01:34.29 | Fogger | testing now with empty string check |
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| 01:35.16 | JoshBorke | had to look back through my old code |
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| 01:35.45 | Fogger | TextureName doesnt appear to be nil or "" |
| 01:35.57 | Fogger | gonna print the damn thing, see what it actually is |
| 01:36.07 | JoshBorke | GetInventorySlotInfo won't help you |
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| 01:36.20 | JoshBorke | you need GetInventoryItemLink and see if the result is "" |
| 01:36.36 | Fogger | right. |
| 01:37.33 | JoshBorke | but really you should have devtools installed (or something similar) and just do: /dump GetInventoryItemLink("player", GetInventorySlotInfo("MainHandSlot")) |
| 01:37.49 | JoshBorke | you could even do /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(<stuff>) |
| 01:38.14 | Fogger | yeah |
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| 01:39.28 | Fogger | no output on /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetInventoryItemLink("player", 16)) |
| 01:40.25 | Neuro_Medivh | quick question: has anyone ever gotten a frantic phone call from one of their parents because they are hopelessly lost? twice in a row? |
| 01:41.04 | Fogger | no, but my next door neighbor used to knock on my door asking where they lived, poor old lady :) |
| 01:41.34 | Fogger | where *she* lived. |
| 01:42.14 | Neuro_Medivh | lol... fortunately, my mother isn't that bad.. but this is the second night in a row she's called me, because she took the wrong freeway exit |
| 01:43.19 | Fogger | -> /script message(GetInventoryItemLink("player", "16")) could be returning nil after all. |
| 01:49.28 | JoshBorke | whatever works for you |
| 01:50.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Cairenn: does WAR.mmoui.com not use the same login info as wowinterface.com? |
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| 01:52.00 | Fogger | yep it works now, thanks a lot! |
| 01:53.11 | JoshBorke | np, glad you got it working |
| 01:55.00 | Cairenn | Neuro_Medivh: no, you need to create a new account |
| 01:55.25 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, just noticed that... any particular reason why the same account won't work across all the different sites? |
| 01:56.09 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, now that I think about it, it's probably a limitation of VBB |
| 01:56.32 | Neuro_Medivh | not having shared account info for multiple boards |
| 01:57.38 | Cairenn | the sites don't currently share a user database |
| 01:57.54 | Neuro_Medivh | too bad, would have been neat =) |
| 01:58.20 | Cairenn | it's something we will hopefully get in place some day, but compared to a lot of other stuff on the sites, it's well down on the priority list |
| 01:58.35 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, Cairenn, got a question for ya.. how hard is it for you to change usernames on wowi? |
| 01:58.51 | Cairenn | not hard at all, as long as the one you want isn't already taken |
| 01:59.14 | Neuro_Medivh | well, that leads to my next question... any way you could delete whoever has Neuro if they are inactive? =) |
| 01:59.29 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: can you give me Shirik on wowi? :-D |
| 01:59.39 | Cairenn | hehhee |
| 02:00.35 | JoshBorke | ooo, what about Cladhaire? could I get that user name :) |
| 02:00.47 | Neuro_Medivh | why would you want THAT one? |
| 02:00.54 | JoshBorke | oh, that's a good point |
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| 02:00.58 | JoshBorke | all he gets is hate mail |
| 02:01.24 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but he's so angry all the time, so the hate mail cheers him up |
| 02:02.09 | Cairenn | Neuro_Medivh: PMs dear |
| 02:02.37 | ckknight | he gets hate mail? |
| 02:02.45 | ckknight | I haven't sent him anything in a while... |
| 02:02.47 | ckknight | jk |
| 02:04.10 | JoshBorke | i still send him some every day |
| 02:04.38 | Neuro_Medivh | ~hug Cairenn |
| 02:04.42 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 02:10.07 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 02:10.08 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 02:15.09 | Fogger | RegisterForDrag to make Lua frames movable right? |
| 02:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 02:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | But frame:SetMovable() does |
| 02:16.17 | Jamash | Frame:SetMovable(true) |
| 02:16.32 | Fogger | oh, thanks :) |
| 02:16.50 | Fogger | so what does RegisterForDrag do then? |
| 02:17.02 | Fogger | sounds like exactly what I need from wowwiki |
| 02:17.34 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe registerfordrag is for action buttons |
| 02:18.12 | Fogger | QUOTE: myAddonFrame:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"); |
| 02:18.12 | Fogger | Would allow the frame named 'myAddonFrame' to be able to be dragged by the user with the left mouse button. |
| 02:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It needs to be movable before you can drag it |
| 02:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 02:18.42 | Jamash | you need both |
| 02:18.48 | Fogger | ah |
| 02:19.34 | Jamash | however having them separated lets you do things like having one frame movable and another frame dragable, letting you drag the first frame around by the second frame |
| 02:20.10 | Fogger | i see |
| 02:20.27 | Fogger | thanks for the pointers |
| 02:20.51 | Shirik | Cairenn, can I have Josh_Borke? |
| 02:21.14 | Cairenn | Shirik: you'll have to talk to his S.O. ... |
| 02:21.43 | Jamash | badum-tish |
| 02:24.37 | Fogger | I've added: f:SetMovable(true); f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"), f being the main frame. and i cant click the frame, mouse is clicking through it, changing my camera position. anything I'm missing? |
| 02:25.00 | Jamash | You also need script handlers for OnDragStart and OnDragStop |
| 02:25.17 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, dont you mean P.O.? |
| 02:25.31 | Fogger | mmm, you know the non-xml method for that? |
| 02:25.38 | Jamash | and also f:EnableMouse() |
| 02:26.39 | Jamash | something like f:SetScript("OnDragStart", function (self, button) self:StartMoving() end) and f:SetScript("OnDragStop", function (self) self:StopMovingOrSizing() end) |
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| 02:27.15 | Fogger | wow, thanks man, was just gonna ask if SetScript was the way :) |
| 02:27.34 | Jamash | I went through this with my addon just a couple weeks ago so it's all still fresh |
| 02:27.42 | alestane | Actually, you can just do f:SetScript("OnDragStart", self.StartMoving) |
| 02:27.52 | Jamash | oo, spiffy |
| 02:29.00 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: no, S.O. |
| 02:29.35 | alestane | Since They both use self as their first parameter, you can just pass the method directly as the script if you don't need to do any other processing. |
| 02:29.45 | Cairenn | Significant Other |
| 02:29.46 | Fogger | getting a self is nil error on self.StartMoving :\ |
| 02:29.58 | Fogger | oh, ofc i am lol, nvm |
| 02:30.29 | Shirik | oh god I love AGT |
| 02:30.32 | Fogger | oh no, thought it was because frame hadnt been creaated yet but it has |
| 02:30.39 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, ya, thats what i said, Parole Officer |
| 02:30.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:30.59 | Jamash | If you only want very basic dragging you can use a title region |
| 02:33.39 | Fogger | you mean just f:StartMoving? |
| 02:33.39 | alestane | My bad, it's f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f.StartMoving) |
| 02:33.49 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, world ends tomorrow, so get your beta testing in tonight |
| 02:33.53 | Fogger | ah |
| 02:33.54 | alestane | That's what I get for using copy and paste. |
| 02:34.41 | Fogger | ok that worked but the frame is now stuck to my mouse :) |
| 02:34.55 | Jamash | Now you need a handler for OnDragStop |
| 02:34.56 | alestane | Well, you also need to set f |
| 02:35.14 | Neuro_Medivh | you need f:SetScript("OnDragStop", self.StopMoving) |
| 02:35.15 | Fogger | OnDragStop? |
| 02:35.16 | alestane | f:SetScript("OnDragStop", f.StopMovingOrSizing) |
| 02:36.03 | Fogger | yes thats it, brilliant, thanks guys! :) |
| 02:36.07 | Jamash | yeah there is no StopMoving(), one of those little gotchas |
| 02:37.22 | Fogger | so if a function call has no args passed, its ok to omit the ()? |
| 02:37.36 | Neuro_Medivh | no |
| 02:37.39 | Jamash | no, when you omit the () you're supplying a reference to the function itself |
| 02:38.02 | alestane | You're telling the frame to use the actual method as the script directly. |
| 02:38.42 | alestane | One of those odd little "functions are first-class values" quirks of Lua. |
| 02:39.29 | Fogger | I'm trying to understand what that means, I guess I need a more radical explenation :P |
| 02:39.41 | alestane | Lua doesn't know whether any given value has a function in it or not until you try to call it. |
| 02:40.11 | alestane | For instance, try "/run local x = 5; return x()" |
| 02:40.42 | Fogger | -> /run not seen that one before |
| 02:40.50 | alestane | Same as /script |
| 02:41.14 | Fogger | bah, all the "3 key presses" I could've saved! |
| 02:41.15 | alestane | lua> x = 5; return x() |
| 02:41.15 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'x' (a number value) |
| 02:41.39 | JoshBorke | Shirik: <3 |
| 02:41.43 | JoshBorke | Shirik: sorry, i'm taken |
| 02:41.55 | alestane | See the error? Lua will try to call any value that you give args to with (). It just won't work if it's not a function. |
| 02:43.07 | Fogger | that explains adding () but I'm still a little cloudy on the omit side |
| 02:43.24 | Jamash | when you omit the () you're passing a reference to the function that can be called later |
| 02:43.25 | JoshBorke | you have to pass a reference to it, otherwise it executes it right away |
| 02:43.57 | alestane | When you call f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f.StartMoving), you are not calling f:StartMoving(). You are telling WoW to call that function whenever the frame gets dragged. |
| 02:44.41 | alestane | If you used the () there, it would try to set the script to the result of f.StartMoving(), not the StartMoving function itself. |
| 02:45.28 | alestane | AFK a bit. But plenty of the people here can explain this. |
| 02:47.27 | Fogger | so is this structure only applied to SetScript("On___" methods? |
| 02:48.45 | Shirik | no, it's applied when you're passing a function |
| 02:48.49 | Shirik | instead of calling a function |
| 02:49.18 | Fogger | right. |
| 02:49.19 | Shirik | Do you know what I mean when I ask what a variable's type is? |
| 02:49.44 | Fogger | string/function/table etc? |
| 02:50.02 | Shirik | sure |
| 02:50.12 | Jamash | let us take an example: function a(f) do something blah blah f() blah blah end |
| 02:50.22 | Shirik | What is the output of this |
| 02:50.32 | Shirik | function foo() return 1; end; print(type(foo())) |
| 02:50.51 | Fogger | loop? |
| 02:51.01 | Shirik | a loop is not a type |
| 02:51.37 | Fogger | doesnt it have to call itself to check for its type? |
| 02:51.49 | Shirik | ok, let's try a simpler example |
| 02:51.50 | Fogger | which in turn will call itself again & again? |
| 02:51.51 | Shirik | what is the output of |
| 02:51.54 | Shirik | print(type(1)) |
| 02:52.06 | Fogger | number? |
| 02:52.29 | Fogger | so output of previous is function? |
| 02:52.44 | Shirik | ok, now what is the type of |
| 02:53.02 | Shirik | now we have a function, function foo() return 1; end |
| 02:53.07 | Shirik | what is print(type(foo())) |
| 02:53.26 | Fogger | function? |
| 02:53.40 | Jamash | pay close attention to the parentheses |
| 02:53.53 | Jamash | foo() means foo is being called |
| 02:53.56 | Jamash | what does foo return? |
| 02:53.58 | Fogger | ah 1? |
| 02:54.06 | Fogger | err number :P |
| 02:54.06 | Jamash | indeed |
| 02:54.35 | Jamash | correct |
| 02:54.49 | Jamash | but if you call print(type(foo)) |
| 02:55.07 | Jamash | then what do you get? |
| 02:55.12 | Fogger | function |
| 02:55.27 | Jamash | and that's what it means that functions are first-class objects |
| 02:55.41 | Jamash | you can store them in variables, and pass them as arguments to other functions |
| 02:56.21 | Jamash | so (back on topic) when you call f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f.StartMoving) you're passing f.StartMoving as an argument to SetScript |
| 02:56.35 | Fogger | so you are actually sending the function itself & not its output? |
| 02:56.39 | Jamash | correct |
| 02:57.21 | Jamash | passing a function to another function to be called at a later time is known as a "callback" |
| 02:57.24 | Shirik | now, what about this? |
| 02:57.32 | Shirik | Tell me, is this the same as what Jamash just said? |
| 02:57.49 | Shirik | function foo() return f.StartMoving end; f:SetScript("OnDriagStart", foo()) |
| 02:58.15 | Shirik | er |
| 02:58.19 | Shirik | aside from stupid spelling errors |
| 02:58.53 | Neuro_Medivh | lol... so, I fire up WAR for the first time, make a toon, log in... and I feel like I'm staring at a WOW interface! =) |
| 02:58.59 | Fogger | mmm, the value would be the function. :\ |
| 02:59.00 | Syzgyn | Hah |
| 02:59.15 | Shirik | the value would be which function? |
| 02:59.26 | Fogger | f.StartMoving |
| 02:59.32 | Shirik | so is that a yes? |
| 02:59.47 | Fogger | seems to me, yes |
| 02:59.54 | Shirik | By george I think he's got it |
| 03:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Who is george? |
| 03:00.26 | Shirik | some guy that gets credited with teaching everything |
| 03:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 03:00.41 | Fogger | mmm, this could improve some other problems I've been having, thanks, I really appreciate your patience in helping me understand this, you're all amazing! :) |
| 03:01.41 | Shirik | final question |
| 03:01.43 | Shirik | have fun with this |
| 03:03.05 | alestane | Neuro_Medivh: From what I hear the WAR interface is implemented in Lua and XML. |
| 03:04.01 | alestane | The biggest difference I heard before was that you can actually register event callbacks without a supporting frame. |
| 03:04.28 | Fogger | nooo! |
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| 03:06.19 | Shirik | of course |
| 03:06.21 | Shirik | I have this great example |
| 03:06.23 | Shirik | And then I pull the power cord |
| 03:06.27 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 03:06.30 | Shirik | ~failrik |
| 03:06.31 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:06.44 | Fogger | i think thats Win! :) |
| 03:07.12 | Fogger | Shirrik cant do no wrong, hes like Chuck Norris! |
| 03:07.29 | Fogger | omg forgive me |
| 03:07.33 | Fogger | *Shirik |
| 03:07.45 | JoshBorke | those are scary words fogger, shirik cant do no wrong |
| 03:07.51 | JoshBorke | wait, no, that's entirely accurate |
| 03:07.57 | JoshBorke | all shirik does is wrong :P |
| 03:09.08 | Corveroth | Alright, my head is sore from banging it against WowWiki's documentation. Is there any know function for retrieving the name of whoever has looting rights on a mob? |
| 03:09.15 | Shirik | Two problems, Fogger |
| 03:09.21 | Shirik | These are as evil as I give my CS students |
| 03:09.23 | Shirik | have fun: http://wowi.pastey.net/95742 |
| 03:09.27 | Shirik | the first one isn't too bad |
| 03:09.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Corveroth: probably not, you probably have to scan the tooltip |
| 03:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Corveroth: but I may be wrong |
| 03:10.00 | Corveroth | But that's the thing, I want to bypass the need to mouseover. |
| 03:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Then quite simply, you may be screwed. |
| 03:10.21 | Corveroth | Sigh. |
| 03:11.33 | Fogger | Shirik: first is number? |
| 03:11.51 | Shirik | Tell me how you got your answer |
| 03:13.19 | Fogger | foo() returns a function which outputs from the return 1; |
| 03:13.31 | Fogger | type being number |
| 03:14.48 | Fogger | print(1) is ignored? |
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| 03:14.48 | Fogger | oh lol |
| 03:14.53 | JoshBorke | Corveroth: almost certainly going to be screwed |
| 03:15.07 | Shirik|Ecole | As I manage to pull out my power cord AGAIN |
| 03:15.09 | Shirik|Ecole | now I'm on my laptop |
| 03:15.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyway |
| 03:15.15 | Shirik|Ecole | explain your logic, how you got "number" |
| 03:15.19 | Shirik|Ecole | And.... can I have a link to that pastey >.> |
| 03:15.20 | Fogger | I'll repeat |
| 03:15.21 | Syzgyn | Did mounts get moved back to 40 with todays downtime? |
| 03:15.28 | Fogger | foo() returns a function which outputs from the return 1; |
| 03:15.38 | Fogger | type being number |
| 03:15.41 | Shirik|Ecole | there's no return 1 :) |
| 03:15.46 | Fogger | print(1) is ignored? |
| 03:15.52 | Shirik|Ecole | oh wait, there might be |
| 03:15.54 | Shirik|Ecole | can I see again :D |
| 03:16.07 | Fogger | return 1; is there for sure |
| 03:16.13 | Fogger | http://wowi.pastey.net/95742 |
| 03:16.25 | Shirik|Ecole | ok the first thing you said was right |
| 03:16.28 | Shirik|Ecole | foo() returns a function |
| 03:16.32 | Shirik|Ecole | in fact, you just said the answer |
| 03:16.39 | Shirik|Ecole | print(type(foo())) |
| 03:16.45 | Shirik|Ecole | So foo() returns a function |
| 03:16.51 | Shirik|Ecole | so type(foo()) is "function" |
| 03:17.03 | Shirik|Ecole | You didn't call that function that got returned |
| 03:17.07 | Shirik|Ecole | it was merely passed to type |
| 03:17.10 | Fogger | oh so I was wrong :( |
| 03:17.30 | Shirik|Ecole | therefore, print(1) is never executed, and neither is return 1 |
| 03:17.38 | Fogger | I failed you, Master.. |
| 03:17.43 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 03:17.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I'd be lying if I said I expected you to pass |
| 03:18.21 | Shirik|Ecole | But do you see why the answer is "function" ? |
| 03:18.43 | Fogger | I rushed in headlong, spewing the first thought, I will do better, oh great one. :) |
| 03:18.55 | Shirik|Ecole | go for the second one |
| 03:18.57 | Fogger | yes I do now |
| 03:18.58 | Shirik|Ecole | that will be loads of fun |
| 03:19.44 | Fogger | geez.. |
| 03:20.15 | Shirik|Ecole | in time, you will be able to do these in a matter of seconds |
| 03:20.19 | Shirik|Ecole | it takes practice though |
| 03:20.29 | Fogger | oh actually... |
| 03:20.35 | Fogger | hold the phone. |
| 03:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | *holding* |
| 03:21.18 | Shirik|Ecole | ~hold |
| 03:21.18 | purl | methinks hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
| 03:21.27 | Shirik|Ecole | ~fail purl |
| 03:21.27 | purl | purl: FAIL! |
| 03:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | purl is a winner |
| 03:22.38 | Shirik|Ecole | is that second example too hard? |
| 03:22.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I dunno, I like it |
| 03:23.26 | Fogger | ok, "function() == value"? |
| 03:23.41 | Fogger | I never thought that was possible |
| 03:23.45 | Shirik|Ecole | good question, what does that mean? |
| 03:24.06 | Shirik|Ecole | obviously you know the result of "1 == 2" |
| 03:24.08 | Shirik|Ecole | what is that? |
| 03:24.09 | Fogger | oh nm, i get it |
| 03:24.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It is ~equal to ~failrik |
| 03:24.20 | Fogger | is equal to, its late. |
| 03:24.27 | Shirik|Ecole | what about |
| 03:24.37 | Shirik|Ecole | function foo() return 1; end print(foo() == 1); |
| 03:24.42 | Shirik|Ecole | that's true as well, right? |
| 03:24.56 | Shirik|Ecole | Though be careful as "foo == 1" is false |
| 03:25.11 | Fogger | foo == function |
| 03:25.18 | Fogger | foo() == 1 |
| 03:25.19 | Shirik|Ecole | right |
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| 03:26.10 | Fogger | I read function() = value, sleepy eyes :) |
| 03:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's all very logical |
| 03:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | () means the value returned, otherwise it means the literal function |
| 03:27.37 | Shirik|Ecole | In retrospect |
| 03:27.43 | Fogger | answer is true |
| 03:27.51 | Shirik|Ecole | hm, are you sure? |
| 03:28.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Hint: It's not false either |
| 03:28.14 | Fogger | bar()() returns bar |
| 03:28.19 | Shirik|Ecole | correct, it does |
| 03:28.24 | Shirik|Ecole | However, it also does something else |
| 03:28.50 | Shirik|Ecole | Hint: Read line #1 |
| 03:29.17 | Fogger | print(2)? |
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| 03:29.26 | Shirik|Ecole | what about it? |
| 03:29.37 | Fogger | ignored I would've thought |
| 03:29.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Why would it be ignored :) |
| 03:29.52 | Fogger | return value rules all |
| 03:29.57 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> function bar() return function() print(2); return bar; end end; print(bar()() == bar) |
| 03:29.57 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 2, true |
| 03:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | return is any other function |
| 03:30.02 | Shirik|Ecole | Sure, but that still gets output |
| 03:30.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You're calling another function before you return |
| 03:30.23 | Shirik|Ecole | print() is just standard output |
| 03:30.42 | Fogger | right, if it runs its output. |
| 03:30.48 | Shirik|Ecole | But good :) |
| 03:30.52 | Shirik|Ecole | So, followup |
| 03:31.00 | Shirik|Ecole | In retrospect, I should have made it print(bar()()()() == bar) |
| 03:31.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Is the output the same? |
| 03:31.20 | Shirik|Ecole | also, please never do this in a real program |
| 03:31.24 | Shirik|Ecole | this is merely to test your understanding :) |
| 03:33.26 | alestane | Although it's reminiscent of some of the things I had to do in Goose like frame = assert(loadstring("return "..frame))()...but that's a different story, ignore it for now. |
| 03:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wow, haha |
| 03:34.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Nothing wrong with that :) I do that too |
| 03:34.19 | Shirik|Ecole | it bothers me that loadstring doesn't throw an error |
| 03:34.45 | Shirik|Ecole | You know, I love receiving emails from my president that go |
| 03:34.50 | alestane | It basically runs protected. |
| 03:34.55 | Shirik|Ecole | It just dawned on me that the SGA Budget for our club is due on Fri . . . we should come up with some sort of plan for it, let me know what everyone wants to do . . . |
| 03:35.02 | Shirik|Ecole | today... |
| 03:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:35.53 | Fogger | damn man, thats making my head spin, Im pretty sure the answer will still be true, but I'm damned if I can work out how many 2's are gonna get printed :P |
| 03:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You're over thinking it |
| 03:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Link it again? |
| 03:36.12 | Shirik|Ecole | yup |
| 03:36.18 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/95742 |
| 03:36.25 | ScytheBlade1 | #2? |
| 03:36.26 | Shirik|Ecole | well, look at it this way |
| 03:36.28 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 03:36.35 | Shirik|Ecole | if we call that anonymous function 'baz' |
| 03:36.37 | alestane | Fogger: What does bar() equal? |
| 03:36.59 | Shirik|Ecole | then bar is bar, bar() is baz, bar()() is baz() is bar, bar()()() is baz, bar()()()() is bar |
| 03:37.01 | Shirik|Ecole | so yes, it's true |
| 03:37.08 | Shirik|Ecole | there's also 2 calls to baz |
| 03:37.14 | Shirik|Ecole | so it should be |
| 03:37.26 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> function bar() return function() print(2); return bar; end end; print(bar()()()() == bar) |
| 03:37.27 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 2, 2, true |
| 03:37.50 | Shirik|Ecole | but I think you get it, Fogger :) |
| 03:38.00 | Shirik|Ecole | You just need a little practice (and maybe sleep) |
| 03:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite honestly this concept will help you more than you'd imagine in *many* languages |
| 03:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And you'll find yourself wishing that all of the other languages had this flexability too, haha |
| 03:38.46 | Fogger | yeah, the obvious answer was 2, I just thought since its calling through itself many times, maybe its growing exponentially or something :) |
| 03:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 03:39.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Follow it through logically |
| 03:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | As simple (and hard) as that sounds |
| 03:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Perhaps sleep ;) |
| 03:40.22 | Fogger | everything I learn has its hurdles that seem so impossible to understand, but I always get there in the end if I try hard enough. |
| 03:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You know you'd be an awesome student :P |
| 03:41.57 | Jamash | That's exactly how I felt when I was writing my addon, Fogger |
| 03:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a fun concept to wrap your head around no doubt |
| 03:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But once you've got it, honestly, everything else seems simple |
| 03:43.43 | Fogger | maybe another day you can help me understand recursion & tail calls, hehe :) |
| 03:43.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Quick quick, convert 342.96 into IEEE 754 double precision representation |
| 03:43.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Recursing is just a function that calls itself |
| 03:44.09 | Shirik|Ecole | OH! |
| 03:44.10 | Fogger | well = loop in my head |
| 03:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Tail calls are just functions that call another function "at the end", or "on the tail" :) |
| 03:44.21 | Shirik|Ecole | My professor had the nerve to tell me my calculations were WRONG today |
| 03:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Shirik|Ecole |
| 03:44.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I gave him the answer... something like 125.4 |
| 03:44.29 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 03:44.30 | Shirik|Ecole | 125.5 |
| 03:44.35 | Shirik|Ecole | and he said it was 125.4 |
| 03:44.48 | Shirik|Ecole | So then I proved to him that 125.4 is impossible to represent in binary, so it couldn't possibly be that number |
| 03:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | niiice |
| 03:44.58 | Shirik|Ecole | showed him >.> |
| 03:45.09 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, you are not wrong because the math doesnt work out, you are wrong because he is the teacher |
| 03:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I think for this quiz tomorrow |
| 03:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just going to write 1-16 in bin, dec and hex on the side of the sheet |
| 03:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | And laugh :P |
| 03:47.07 | Shirik|Ecole | what's the quiz? |
| 03:47.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Base conversions, that's pretty much it from what I gather |
| 03:47.32 | Shirik|Ecole | Quick, tell me what's 54 in base 3 |
| 03:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, convert 7F into binary, decimal, etc |
| 03:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | NOU |
| 03:47.42 | Shirik|Ecole | it's easy.. |
| 03:48.05 | Jamash | 20 |
| 03:48.07 | Jamash | no wait |
| 03:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | it's a bit bigger than 20 :P |
| 03:48.18 | Shirik|Ecole | oh wow, I picked a nice number for that |
| 03:48.20 | Jamash | 2000 |
| 03:48.25 | Shirik|Ecole | Jamash wins :) |
| 03:48.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Now, 0.1 in binary |
| 03:48.47 | Shirik|Ecole | gogo |
| 03:49.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ... for little-endian CPUs! |
| 03:49.12 | Shirik|Ecole | No special representation |
| 03:49.14 | Shirik|Ecole | just generic |
| 03:49.19 | Shirik|Ecole | so we can assume it starts with 0.something |
| 03:50.07 | Shirik|Ecole | Hint: |
| 03:50.09 | Shirik|Ecole | This is why |
| 03:50.14 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 3 * 0.1 == 0.3 |
| 03:50.15 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: false |
| 03:50.59 | Shirik|Ecole | 0.0000110001100011000110001100011000110001100011000110001100011000110001100011000110001100011 forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever :D |
| 03:51.08 | Jamash | I was getting there |
| 03:51.18 | Jamash | doing long division in notepad is time consuming |
| 03:51.26 | Shirik|Ecole | really? |
| 03:51.28 | Shirik|Ecole | How are you doing it |
| 03:51.33 | Shirik|Ecole | I did it in notepad too, it was pretty fast |
| 03:51.43 | Jamash | dividing 1 by 1010 |
| 03:51.51 | Shirik|Ecole | oh ew, don't do it that way :) |
| 03:51.54 | Shirik|Ecole | here let me show you a trick |
| 03:52.09 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/95745 |
| 03:52.15 | Shirik|Ecole | We start with 0.1 |
| 03:52.28 | Shirik|Ecole | multiply it by 2, get 0.2, multiply it by 2 again we get 0.4, etc. until 1.6. |
| 03:52.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Chop off the 1, so its 2*0.6 = 1.2 |
| 03:52.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Chop off the 1 again, it's 0.2 which we've already done |
| 03:53.00 | Shirik|Ecole | Now just read the integral parts (000011 and repeat at the line with 0.2 |
| 03:53.08 | Jamash | clever |
| 03:53.29 | Shirik|Ecole | very fast :) |
| 03:53.45 | Shirik|Ecole | It's also by far the easiest way to recognize a recurring pattern |
| 03:53.50 | Shirik|Ecole | because you arrive exactly at where you were before |
| 03:55.35 | Fogger | so is it always best to round the result when using math with floating point numbers? |
| 03:55.41 | Shirik|Ecole | oops, I apologize |
| 03:55.44 | Shirik|Ecole | it's actualy 001100110011 |
| 03:55.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I went back one too far :) |
| 03:55.58 | Shirik|Ecole | Not really, Fogger, you just have to be careful |
| 03:56.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Admittedly, in Lua, everything is an integer |
| 03:56.09 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 03:56.12 | Shirik|Ecole | everything is a double! |
| 03:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ... I was going to say |
| 03:56.50 | Shirik|Ecole | Which is why we get things like.... |
| 03:56.56 | Shirik|Ecole | god I can't remember how big the mantissa is on doubles |
| 03:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | big :P |
| 03:57.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ish |
| 03:57.07 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 2^20 == 2^20+1 |
| 03:57.08 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: false |
| 03:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | duh? |
| 03:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 03:57.23 | Jamash | it's something like 2^53 |
| 03:58.00 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah, 52 bit mantissa |
| 03:58.08 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> 2^53 == 2^53 + 1 |
| 03:58.09 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: true |
| 03:58.25 | Shirik|Ecole | Just as you need to be careful with that, you also need to be careful with decimal values |
| 03:59.32 | Jamash | lua> print(0.1) |
| 03:59.33 | lua_bot | Jamash: 0.1 |
| 03:59.53 | Jamash | lua> print(0.1 * 9) |
| 03:59.53 | lua_bot | Jamash: 0.9 |
| 03:59.56 | Jamash | hmm |
| 04:00.07 | Fogger | can exponentiation be explained quickly? :D |
| 04:00.09 | Jamash | must be truncating it somewhere |
| 04:00.18 | Shirik|Ecole | heh |
| 04:00.22 | Shirik|Ecole | it's not simple :) |
| 04:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Fogger: limited recursion :D |
| 04:00.37 | Fogger | ofc! :P |
| 04:00.47 | Jamash | lua> print (1/7) |
| 04:00.48 | lua_bot | Jamash: 0.14285714285714 |
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| 04:01.07 | Thunder_Child | weeee |
| 04:01.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rR] by Shirik|Ecole |
| 04:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I like my suggestion better for the interm :P |
| 04:01.29 | Jamash | someone has a botnet |
| 04:01.34 | Shirik|Ecole | funny |
| 04:01.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I could have responded faster |
| 04:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 04:01.44 | Thunder_Child | i think we just got hit my a drive by spaming |
| 04:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean +i |
| 04:01.46 | Shirik|Ecole | But every time I receive a PM, my client locks up for a few seconds |
| 04:01.50 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:01.53 | ScytheBlade1 | YOUR CLIENT |
| 04:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | IT SUCKS |
| 04:01.58 | ScytheBlade1 | THIS IS NOT NEWS |
| 04:01.59 | kd3 | ^ |
| 04:02.03 | Thunder_Child | i didnt get any PM's, yay for me |
| 04:02.07 | Shirik|Ecole | oh no |
| 04:02.12 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1 sent me a PM asking for +m |
| 04:02.18 | Shirik|Ecole | which, ironically, delayed the response |
| 04:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 04:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I laughed |
| 04:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:01 < ScytheBlade1> YOUR CLIENT |
| 04:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:01 < ScytheBlade1> IT SUCKS |
| 04:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:01 < kd3> ^ |
| 04:02.40 | Shirik|Ecole | ~kill ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:02.41 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse anti-tachyon gun at ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:02.45 | Shirik|Ecole | It's the popup |
| 04:02.51 | Shirik|Ecole | for some reason my laptop doesn't know how to render it easily |
| 04:02.54 | ScytheBlade1 | s/popup/client/ |
| 04:03.05 | Shirik|Ecole | ROFL |
| 04:03.19 | Shirik|Ecole | and now I'm getting PMs from the botnet |
| 04:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:03.26 | Shirik|Ecole | amusing, unfortunately it doesn't lock me up after the first PM |
| 04:03.30 | Shirik|Ecole | so your efforts sadly are in vain |
| 04:03.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure if I controlled that botnet I'd be doing a lot more than spamming you |
| 04:04.19 | Fogger | a disgruntled student who was told he wasnt the Dragon warrior perhaps? :) |
| 04:04.27 | Shirik|Ecole | Your efforts at attempting to DoS me are failing... miserably |
| 04:04.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:04.32 | Shirik|Ecole | It is rather amusing actually |
| 04:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: pass me an IP and I might be able to ;D |
| 04:04.54 | Thunder_Child | lol if you recognise your own IP on that spam |
| 04:05.29 | Shirik|Ecole | eh, I got bored |
| 04:05.31 | Shirik|Ecole | mode +E |
| 04:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Might want to take the R's off |
| 04:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's only registered can speak, yes? |
| 04:05.51 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 04:06.02 | Shirik|Ecole | damn, 152 different PM windows |
| 04:06.04 | Shirik|Ecole | this is awesome |
| 04:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait |
| 04:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Why are they getting you? |
| 04:06.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You set +rR after they left |
| 04:06.26 | Thunder_Child | OP i assume |
| 04:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | He's not the only one though.. |
| 04:06.40 | Shirik|Ecole | I assume they got mad at me |
| 04:06.48 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 04:06.49 | Shirik|Ecole | And mr spammer saw me comment about ScytheBlade1 locking me up |
| 04:06.53 | Shirik|Ecole | unfortunately, like I said |
| 04:06.54 | Thunder_Child | but the rest havent said anything at all |
| 04:07.00 | Shirik|Ecole | it's only the first PM I receive since turning on my computer that does that |
| 04:07.16 | Shirik|Ecole | so instead I got to watch his miserable failure |
| 04:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | haha yes |
| 04:07.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm getting some |
| 04:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 20... |
| 04:07.43 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | 21... |
| 04:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | 22! |
| 04:07.48 | Shirik | t / Dave2: ping? |
| 04:08.04 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 04:08.05 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Shirik. I hate you because you fail. |
| 04:08.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't even know how to jump past window 10 in IRC |
| 04:08.16 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 04:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm sitting at... 45 |
| 04:08.29 | Thunder_Child | scroll ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:08.31 | Thunder_Child | scroll |
| 04:08.54 | kd3 | yay for +E |
| 04:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know the irssi command to jump around in windows? |
| 04:09.20 | Tem | oh god |
| 04:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:09.26 | Tem | I need an absurd amount of primal life |
| 04:09.28 | Shirik|Ecole | but yeah, http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ecf13aef95ce30df4e53a3a469debc38.jpg |
| 04:09.56 | Tem | I just got T6 pants, new Blood boil staff, TG gloves, S4 gloves, and I need to make my SR set |
| 04:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: +E? |
| 04:10.15 | Shirik|Ecole | +E = block PMs from unregistered useres |
| 04:10.21 | Shirik|Ecole | That's what I eventually did as well |
| 04:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 04:10.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I got bored |
| 04:10.24 | Fogger | mother sharraz? |
| 04:10.29 | Tem | yeah |
| 04:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to close... a metric ton of windows |
| 04:10.54 | Tem | so, I need 10 for pants, I think 8 for staff |
| 04:10.59 | Tem | 6 for each set of gloves |
| 04:11.10 | Tem | plus the 12ish in the SR set |
| 04:11.16 | Tem | oh damnit |
| 04:11.25 | Tem | I also have my ZA mace that needs to be enchanted |
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| 04:12.02 | Fogger | priest then? |
| 04:12.35 | Tem | druid |
| 04:12.50 | Fogger | ah |
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| 04:13.00 | Fogger | resto tho? |
| 04:13.41 | Tem | yeah |
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| 04:13.48 | Fogger | my main is priest and I too hate the need for Primal Life |
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| 04:14.35 | Fogger | i usse my lock alch to farm the trees in bone wastes |
| 04:14.37 | Dreagar | hey, i've been beatin myself over the head with this. can ya tell me if i'm at least on the right track if you can't help me do it the right way? |
| 04:14.45 | Fogger | can usually get around 10 before I wanna rip my eyes out |
| 04:15.27 | Dreagar | :) i can pull out the item string, and the color, but i can't pull out the item name.. |
| 04:15.27 | Dreagar | local found, _, itemString = string.find(itemLink, "^|c%x+|H(.+)|h%[.+%]") |
| 04:15.57 | Dreagar | :( i was thinking just leave off the |h%etc etc.. but ... i dunno. :( |
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| 04:16.28 | Shirik|Ecole | Well, I was going to go to sleep |
| 04:16.32 | Shirik|Ecole | but now I have an excuse to stay up late |
| 04:16.34 | Syzgyn | Lies |
| 04:16.53 | Fogger | regexp, thats something I'm not looking forward to learning. |
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| 04:17.21 | Jamash | Regexps are awesome but I don't know LUA pattern syntax |
| 04:17.34 | Shirik | Lua's are much simpler |
| 04:17.34 | krka | Jamash: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" |
| 04:17.46 | Shirik | albeit less powerful |
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| 04:18.01 | Dreagar | what about if i do a strsplit("|", link) |
| 04:18.05 | Dreagar | ? |
| 04:18.58 | Dreagar | it just dont' seem like that'll work |
| 04:19.23 | Dreagar | i'm so horrible with strings. |
| 04:19.24 | Dreagar | :( |
| 04:19.39 | Dreagar | i did up this whole long string to do all that and it just... didn't work. |
| 04:20.03 | Dreagar | it was supposed to pull everythigng out of the link, and the itemlink in the middle. and didn't work out. |
| 04:21.14 | Dreagar | so i did like in the wiki, and pulled out the item link, then did the item link by tiself, but just can't get the name for hte life of me |
| 04:21.26 | Shirik | eh |
| 04:21.33 | Shirik | where did you type that? |
| 04:21.34 | Jamash | that's because the item link is a string of numbers |
| 04:21.38 | Jamash | you want the next field |
| 04:21.59 | Shirik | you can't type | in the chat box |
| 04:22.09 | Dreagar | exactly! but the wiki string.find just loses that |
| 04:22.22 | Jamash | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "^|c%x+|H(.+)|h%[.+%]") |
| 04:22.22 | lua_bot | Jamash: 1, 50, item:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 |
| 04:22.48 | Dreagar | right that's what i'm useing. |
| 04:22.49 | Jamash | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "^|c%x+|H.+|h%[(.+)%]") |
| 04:22.49 | lua_bot | Jamash: 1, 50, Broken Fang |
| 04:23.08 | Jamash | you just move the parentheses |
| 04:23.19 | Dreagar | ah ok. |
| 04:23.30 | Dreagar | so i could do two finds to pull out what i need. |
| 04:23.36 | Dreagar | thanks. :) |
| 04:23.46 | Jamash | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "^|c%x+|H(.+)|h%[(.+)%]") |
| 04:23.47 | lua_bot | Jamash: 1, 50, item:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0, Broken Fang |
| 04:24.07 | Jamash | you can use more than one pair of parentheses it seems |
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| 04:24.28 | Jamash | I haven't used the lua string handling functions much |
| 04:25.19 | Dreagar | oo even better. i gotta do smoere work with those, just so lousy with em |
| 04:26.39 | Jamash | but I am an expert with perl string handling, so I guess it mostly transfers |
| 04:27.05 | Fogger | what is the 1 & 50?, I dont see it in the link. |
| 04:27.19 | Jamash | 1 is the index of the start of the match, 50 is the index of the end of the match |
| 04:27.20 | Fogger | 1 = first find? |
| 04:27.24 | Dreagar | the one i think of as found.. |
| 04:27.52 | Dreagar | and 50 is the end. |
| 04:27.52 | Dreagar | ya |
| 04:27.52 | Fogger | 50? seems a lot |
| 04:27.52 | Shirik | !! |
| 04:27.52 | Jamash | I just found that out at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.find |
| 04:28.02 | Shirik | I just saw the Mr. T WoW commercial on TV |
| 04:28.04 | Jamash | the lua manual is your friend |
| 04:28.04 | Shirik | haven't seen that in a while |
| 04:28.25 | Fogger | yeah, cool that anyone can be a night elf mohawk now :) |
| 04:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I honestly probably haven't "watched TV" in months on end |
| 04:28.31 | Dreagar | what if i made a mohawk foo! |
| 04:28.32 | Fogger | including my main! |
| 04:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: sucker for watching TV! |
| 04:28.51 | Shirik | Maybe Mr. T hacked the game and created a mohawk class |
| 04:29.00 | Shirik | Had that occurred to you Mr. condescending director? |
| 04:30.59 | Fogger | the Mini-Me (Verne Troyer) one was funny too |
| 04:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda hoped he would play a tauren |
| 04:32.01 | Fogger | there was a shaman in my guild that sounded a hell of a lot like william shatner, well humor ensued for months! :) |
| 04:34.10 | Fogger | actually, not so much sound like but, as boring as.. |
| 04:34.36 | Shirik | ~wiki country codes cz |
| 04:34.39 | Shirik | er |
| 04:34.43 | Shirik | ~google country codes cz |
| 04:35.55 | Fogger | you guys thinking in lightspeed here or what? |
| 04:36.01 | Shirik | heh |
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| 04:37.56 | Thunder_Child | more like no speed |
| 04:38.03 | Fogger | quickest way to get 2x1h swords or axes on the beta realm, go! |
| 04:38.14 | Shirik | ~wiki .se |
| 04:38.15 | Fogger | greys anything |
| 04:38.32 | Fogger | purl is a bot! lol |
| 04:38.34 | Thunder_Child | Fogger, try wowhead |
| 04:39.15 | Fogger | actually, I could create a level 1, mail some coins to it & buy the weaps off the first vendor I see |
| 04:39.36 | Fogger | mmm |
| 04:39.37 | Thunder_Child | ~purl |
| 04:39.38 | purl | We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated |
| 04:39.51 | Fogger | can rogues dual wield at lev1? |
| 04:40.19 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rR] by Shirik |
| 04:40.29 | smcn | http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ |
| 04:40.40 | Jamash | "Rogues learn to dual wield at level 10, whereas Hunters and Warriors learn dual wield at level 20" |
| 04:40.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it was much nicer with the +rR |
| 04:40.52 | WobWork | smcn: Right, that's going on my RSS feed |
| 04:41.04 | Fogger | damn, my only option is getting them on my DK then. |
| 04:41.15 | Shirik | Problem is this is an open channel |
| 04:41.30 | Shirik | And we'd prefer not to lock it like that because people that come here don't always know about IRC |
| 04:41.36 | Fogger | there are no grey 1h vendors in Deaths Haven or the floating thingy that I could find. |
| 04:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hoo boy |
| 04:41.37 | Shirik | and will be "wtf I can't talk pz" |
| 04:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679892590&sid=2000 |
| 04:41.47 | Thunder_Child | oh, refering to the cosmos crowd? |
| 04:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | "[Suggestions] UI Addons Disabled in Arena" |
| 04:41.50 | Shirik | WOW ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:41.57 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, that's a valid sample of them |
| 04:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha, wow |
| 04:42.07 | Shirik | Though in all honesty, my response from your side would be "we don't need them anyway" :D |
| 04:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Check out his last line |
| 04:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | proximo and friends = bad |
| 04:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bongos = bad |
| 04:42.26 | Thunder_Child | hey, that my response from my side as well |
| 04:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | *good |
| 04:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *bongos = good |
| 04:42.48 | Thunder_Child | s/that/thats/ |
| 04:42.59 | Fogger | i use bongos too, mean to try Dominos, but Im afraid things will change too much. |
| 04:44.44 | Fogger | just gonna have to get my DK to a wepon vendor, but I didnt want to rush him past his natural progression out of the starting zone. |
| 04:45.01 | smcn | you can't anyways |
| 04:45.09 | Fogger | s/wepon/weapon/ |
| 04:45.14 | Fogger | :P |
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| 04:45.43 | Fogger | mmm |
| 04:46.05 | Fogger | must be a way to test my mod during maintenance hrs! |
| 04:46.24 | Jamash | private server :P |
| 04:46.36 | Fogger | I wouldnt trust the results |
| 04:46.39 | Seerah | ~whaleslap Jamash |
| 04:46.40 | purl | ACTION beats Jamash upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 04:47.14 | Seerah | private servers are against TOS/EULA and are not condoned/nor is talk of them allowed here |
| 04:47.35 | Shirik | Seerah just talked about private servers |
| 04:47.35 | Shirik | ban! |
| 04:47.43 | Seerah | ~whaleshield |
| 04:47.44 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield seerah from the blast. |
| 04:48.31 | smcn | thread derailment failed |
| 04:48.51 | ScytheBlade1 | smcn: you're Hornswaggle? |
| 04:48.57 | smcn | yeah |
| 04:49.03 | ScytheBlade1 | you got reported btw :P |
| 04:49.08 | Shirik | oh I'll swaggle your horn |
| 04:49.14 | ScytheBlade1 | As a note I just replied |
| 04:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I like my reply :P |
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| 04:50.51 | smcn | i would make a serious reply but i'm exhausted with that subject after dealing with warhammer's clueless anti-mod population |
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| 04:53.43 | Shirik | every game has its critics |
| 04:53.55 | Shirik | I say trust the developers to know what suggestions to listen to and what are plain stupid |
| 04:54.04 | Shirik | Except when it comes to priest talents because we always get crappy talents |
| 04:54.09 | smcn | lol |
| 04:54.17 | Shirik | But actually Guardian Spirit in the latest build is really nice, I hope we can keep that |
| 04:54.29 | Shirik | 10% of max HP healed, no mana cost, no cooldown, no GCD |
| 04:54.30 | Shirik | I'll tkae that |
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| 04:54.36 | Shirik | something tells me that won't stay that way though |
| 04:58.08 | Fogger | that seems a bit OP tho |
| 04:58.49 | Fogger | os much so I doubt they eveer intended for it be as it is currently |
| 04:59.06 | Fogger | it is a HoT tho isnt it? |
| 04:59.20 | Fogger | so not so OP really |
| 04:59.42 | Fogger | I imagined a new CoH |
| 05:00.01 | Fogger | for single target ofc |
| 05:00.07 | ScytheBlade1 | sleep! |
| 05:00.15 | Shirik | agree |
| 05:00.18 | Shirik | I sleep now too |
| 05:00.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 05:00.24 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl-A, d |
| 05:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl-A, d |
| 05:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 05:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 05:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | okay gone :P |
| 05:00.54 | Fogger | when you're right, your right. |
| 05:01.19 | Dreagar | gonna test thisreal fast. :) |
| 05:01.21 | Dreagar | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "^|c(%x+)|H(.+)|h%[(.+)%]") |
| 05:01.21 | lua_bot | Dreagar: 1, 50, ff9d9d9d, item:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0, Broken Fang |
| 05:01.21 | Shirik|zZz | is it sad that I stay up this late every night just to watch disney channel? |
| 05:01.39 | Dreagar | yay! oh wiat. i don't want that darn ff. :( |
| 05:01.59 | Shirik|zZz | change |c to |c%x%x |
| 05:02.16 | Dreagar | lua> string.find("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "^|c%x%x(%x+)|H(.+)|h%[(.+)%]") |
| 05:02.17 | lua_bot | Dreagar: 1, 50, 9d9d9d, item:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0, Broken Fang |
| 05:02.29 | Dreagar | awesome. thanks shirik.: ) |
| 05:02.35 | Shirik|zZz | :) |
| 05:04.24 | Tem | http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ is an awesome website |
| 05:04.39 | Shirik|zZz | I'm confused by it honestly |
| 05:04.43 | Shirik|zZz | did I miss something? |
| 05:04.45 | Shirik|zZz | lhcd? |
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| 05:05.40 | Tem | large hadron collider |
| 05:05.47 | Shirik|zZz | woah |
| 05:06.42 | Shirik|zZz | so when it does destroy the earth |
| 05:06.45 | Shirik|zZz | it will turn to yes/ |
| 05:06.46 | Shirik|zZz | ? |
| 05:06.50 | Thunder_Child | when it was turned on |
| 05:07.00 | Thunder_Child | but it didnt, so thats the point |
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| 05:08.36 | Shirik|zZz | ~tackle Cide |
| 05:08.36 | purl | ACTION tackles Cide to the ground. |
| 05:08.47 | Cide | you know |
| 05:08.53 | Diao | o: |
| 05:08.57 | Cide | as sleepy as I am right now, you could probably just ask me to drop dead and I would |
| 05:09.02 | Diao | when was it activated |
| 05:09.11 | Shirik|zZz | do you hate Python, Cide? |
| 05:09.17 | Cide | I love python |
| 05:09.18 | Shirik|zZz | say you hate python |
| 05:09.28 | Cide | that's not gonna work buddy |
| 05:09.32 | Shirik|zZz | :( |
| 05:09.40 | Cide | but I'll obey when it comes to any sleep-related activity |
| 05:09.54 | Shirik|zZz | death is sleep-related? |
| 05:10.00 | Diao | thought it wasn't going to be on for another couple hours |
| 05:10.00 | Shirik|zZz | oh Cide ;) |
| 05:10.03 | Cide | woke up yesterday at ~5pm, went to bed at ~midnight |
| 05:10.13 | Shirik|zZz | ANY sleep-related activity? ;) |
| 05:10.15 | Cide | slept for like 3 hours |
| 05:10.34 | Cide | I'm sure you can exploit the description to come up with something I hadn't imagined :P |
| 05:11.12 | Shirik|zZz | Cide! You missed tons of fun |
| 05:11.23 | Cide | oh? what fun? |
| 05:11.26 | Dreagar | are item links changed in patch. 3.0? like do they include a player level now? |
| 05:11.34 | Shirik|zZz | Well, bots came into the channel |
| 05:11.50 | Shirik|zZz | and then they didn't enjoy me stopping them I guess, http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ecf13aef95ce30df4e53a3a469debc38.jpg |
| 05:12.16 | Diao | hm yeah |
| 05:12.33 | Diao | LHC isn't going online for another 2 hours 20 min :p |
| 05:12.43 | Cide | haha |
| 05:13.00 | Cide | thanks for posting that screenshot btw |
| 05:13.08 | Cide | really reminds me how much I not-miss mIRC |
| 05:13.11 | Shirik|zZz | ... |
| 05:13.14 | Shirik|zZz | It's not micr |
| 05:13.15 | Shirik|zZz | mrc |
| 05:13.18 | Shirik|zZz | mirc! |
| 05:13.22 | Shirik|zZz | it's nbs-irc |
| 05:13.24 | Cide | read the status bar |
| 05:13.25 | Dashkal | Ok, so apparently the wolvar/oracle bit isn't done yet. I do _not_ like how we have to chose with no warning and it's binding on the whole group... |
| 05:13.32 | Cide | title bar, rather |
| 05:13.38 | Shirik|zZz | that's the mirc emulation layer |
| 05:13.42 | Cide | clearly |
| 05:13.47 | Shirik|zZz | To optimize emulation, it uses code from mirc |
| 05:13.51 | Cide | sure it does |
| 05:14.13 | Cide | if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks shit like a duck, it's a duck |
| 05:14.20 | Cide | that definitely looks shit like mirc |
| 05:14.29 | Dreagar | ah well. figured it out. Thaks ya'lls forthe string help. :) on to step 25. :) lol |
| 05:14.29 | Cide | so it must be mirc |
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| 05:14.57 | Shirik|zZz | see, it's awesome |
| 05:14.57 | Shirik|zZz | it emulates very well |
| 05:15.01 | Shirik|zZz | down to the worst pieces |
| 05:15.12 | Sixen | ohai |
| 05:15.12 | Cide | evidently :P |
| 05:15.19 | Cide | that's why I applied ducktyping |
| 05:15.29 | Shirik|zZz | I need to go to sleep, though, really |
| 05:16.22 | Cide | you should! |
| 05:18.42 | Sixen | Do we have a guild on the Murmer Beta realm? |
| 05:20.28 | Thunder_Child | "Cancel Subscription - You can use this link to terminate your subscription online. Before you do so, we would love to hear from you by telephone. There are many steps that our representatives can take to address any problems you may be experiencing." except for not having any money however |
| 05:21.38 | Cide | oh, blizzard has set up a bank. they can loan you money to keep playing. |
| 05:22.02 | Thunder_Child | that would be amusing, going into debt because of wow |
| 05:22.12 | Cide | at the small interest rate of 16%/mo |
| 05:22.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i can't imagine you'd be the first. |
| 05:22.29 | Cide | indeed it would |
| 05:22.40 | Cide | what NightHawkTheSane said is probably true as well |
| 05:22.47 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i wouldnt be in debt at all |
| 05:23.04 | Thunder_Child | i just found the concept amusing |
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| 05:26.06 | Tem | oh hell |
| 05:26.13 | Tem | I just ran out of gold |
| 05:26.33 | Cide | you can loan that from the blizzard bank as well. |
| 05:26.43 | Tem | no thanks |
| 05:38.11 | NightHawkTheSane | argh. |
| 05:38.14 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck you blizzard |
| 05:38.35 | NightHawkTheSane | [flyable] evaluates true in dalaran. >< |
| 05:41.12 | smcn | no you can't have a one-button mount macro. not yours |
| 05:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well, actually, i -can- |
| 05:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | it just requires a little more work |
| 05:51.49 | Syzgyn | http://www.fukung.net/v/6070/Rule34.jpg There is no god... T_T |
| 05:54.48 | Dashkal | ROFL |
| 05:54.49 | Dashkal | nice |
| 05:54.52 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
| 05:55.08 | Thunder_Child | if rule 34 takes over the world i'm gonna be pissed |
| 05:56.12 | smcn | adam is not that chubby |
| 05:56.14 | smcn | :P |
| 05:56.23 | smcn | not that i would pay attention to that kind of thing |
| 06:01.19 | Syzgyn | uhuh :P |
| 06:01.56 | smcn | uh oh |
| 06:02.17 | smcn | yep there she blows |
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| 06:59.38 | smcn | holy cow |
| 06:59.50 | Neuro_Medivh | divine bovine! |
| 06:59.52 | smcn | so get this, i make a level 1 shaman on beta just for shits and giggles |
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| 07:00.00 | smcn | and i found a bug in the earth totem quest |
| 07:00.10 | foxlit | needs more tauren paladins |
| 07:00.11 | Neuro_Medivh | what race? |
| 07:00.13 | smcn | draenei |
| 07:00.19 | smcn | didn't give me the stoneskin totem spell |
| 07:00.33 | Neuro_Medivh | what did it give you? |
| 07:01.22 | smcn | nothing |
| 07:01.26 | smcn | well, the earth totem item |
| 07:01.34 | smcn | maybe stoneskin totem got changed? |
| 07:01.42 | Neuro_Medivh | lemme go check dis out! |
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| 07:02.09 | smcn | because i know like with kick and pummel they had to retrain the spells... maybe it's something similar with stoneskin idk |
| 07:10.33 | Lyn | get up, get down, get up, get down, get up and dance... ~.~ |
| 07:19.38 | smcn | Neuro_Medivh: did i just see you? :P |
| 07:19.48 | Neuro_Medivh | the funky lvl 4 shaman? Yeah |
| 07:24.25 | Neuro_Medivh | Yep, definately not giving you the spell |
| 07:26.12 | smcn | next step is to make a tauren and orc shaman :P |
| 07:26.24 | Neuro_Medivh | I'll do orc if you do tauren |
| 07:26.27 | smcn | k |
| 07:26.33 | smcn | just hitting azure watch |
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| 07:49.26 | smcn | blargh |
| 07:49.31 | ReAn | ? |
| 07:49.57 | Lyn | meh.. UPS should come twice today :x need my laptop |
| 07:51.30 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, just finished |
| 07:51.37 | Neuro_Medivh | no stoneskin totem for the orc either |
| 07:51.50 | Neuro_Medivh | which means none for troll, as it's the same quest |
| 07:52.13 | smcn | yeah, i'm about to find out for tauren |
| 07:52.31 | smcn | gonna make a post on the forums too when server goes down ;P |
| 07:53.18 | smcn | nada |
| 07:53.36 | smcn | hey, when you turned in the quest did he cast something on you that looked like fort? |
| 07:53.38 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, something with the questline or more likely the spell is fubar |
| 07:53.44 | Neuro_Medivh | nope |
| 07:53.55 | smcn | tauren one did but it didn't do anything heh |
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| 07:57.20 | smcn | doh, we were beaten |
| 07:57.21 | smcn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336632871&postId=96787230903&sid=2000#1 |
| 07:57.33 | smcn | 6 days behind |
| 07:57.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 07:57.49 | Neuro_Medivh | oh well |
| 07:58.11 | Neuro_Medivh | time for sleep! |
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| 08:12.39 | smcn | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9679892128-suggestion-remove-europe-from-beta.html |
| 08:14.43 | nevcairiel | he is right though. US has 3 realms, EU has one that never works right =P |
| 08:15.21 | [SW]Dodge | is there a way to get that post in forims tp reply? :D |
| 08:15.28 | [SW]Dodge | w/o searching it^^ |
| 08:15.41 | nevcairiel | click the title |
| 08:16.03 | [SW]Dodge | a lol, thanks :D |
| 08:19.38 | Lyn | O |
| 08:19.39 | Lyn | :O |
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| 08:21.24 | [SW]Dodge | damn windwos update... just befor hitting return to send my "closed ~.~" message the "PLX Reboot" window poped -.- |
| 08:22.03 | Lyn | yep |
| 08:22.19 | Lyn | i am working atm with an popin' up message every 5 minutes |
| 08:23.03 | Arrowmaster | its every 10 usually |
| 08:23.04 | [SW]Dodge | lyn: you can tell him to wait up to 4 hours (at leas on windows vista) |
| 08:23.08 | Arrowmaster | and you can kill that |
| 08:23.14 | Lyn | i have no vista :< |
| 08:23.25 | Lyn | 10? aww.. my sense of time is bad |
| 08:23.28 | Lyn | Arrowmaster: how? |
| 08:23.46 | [SW]Dodge | q.q EU realms down... damn maintenane -.- |
| 08:24.19 | Arrowmaster | Lyn: stop the automatic updates service after you install the updates and it will stop reminding you to reboot, but it will be back to normal again when you do reboot |
| 08:25.30 | [SW]Dodge | i would like to see it like the ubuntu updater does, a trayicon that says once "plx reboot" :D |
| 08:25.37 | Lyn | aww where is fisker? |
| 08:25.38 | Lyn | http://antispore.com/ ! |
| 08:26.57 | haste | Lyn: I added post calls in castbar on master btw |
| 08:27.30 | Lyn | haste: nice! and i saw you added the spark :) .. I just have to use self.Spark = true or ? seems like that inside the code |
| 08:27.51 | haste | no, you need to set the actual texture |
| 08:28.00 | Lyn | ah okay |
| 08:28.05 | Lyn | then i know how to do it, thanks :) |
| 08:28.06 | haste | http://ixo.no/git/oUF.git/commit/?id=cc30e7ef424e13ee4f4aaf7261d0a67c0afe5da8 |
| 08:28.41 | Lyn | ahh |
| 08:28.44 | Lyn | okay thanks :) |
| 08:29.01 | haste | should thank evl :p |
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| 08:29.11 | Lyn | FISKER! |
| 08:29.13 | Lyn | http://antispore.com/ ! |
| 08:29.15 | Fisker- | Lyn |
| 08:29.21 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 08:29.25 | Lyn | I hate you, too |
| 08:29.41 | Fisker- | i hate you the most |
| 08:29.52 | Lyn | Aww, how kind of you |
| 08:30.13 | Fisker- | it's your fault |
| 08:30.18 | Lyn | <3 |
| 08:32.14 | Fisker- | cladhaire |
| 08:32.18 | Fisker- | help me destroy Lyn |
| 08:32.21 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 08:32.28 | Arrowmaster | im trying to figure out if that site is ment to be a joke or is serious |
| 08:32.31 | cladhaire | like destroy as in ruin for life... or |
| 08:32.40 | Lyn | about spore: 8,500 people all working together and not a single one with enough Jesus to stand up and say what they are doing is wrong. |
| 08:32.43 | Lyn | lol |
| 08:32.53 | smcn | rofl |
| 08:33.02 | Lyn | Arrowmaster: in this world... I think this could be real |
| 08:33.08 | Lyn | but can be fake also |
| 08:33.10 | Lyn | but lol |
| 08:33.20 | Lyn | Fisker-: why so serious? :o |
| 08:33.40 | Fisker- | your mom :( |
| 08:34.04 | Jamash | it's funny how spore depicts panspermia and intelligent design, not real evolution, yet this guy is talking like it's actual factual science (which he is of course against) |
| 08:34.05 | Lyn | no my mommy is not here, sorry fisker |
| 08:34.51 | Lyn | aww and satan himself commented the site: http://antispore.com/about/ |
| 08:37.07 | Fisker- | just remember Lyn |
| 08:37.13 | Fisker- | i would watch your back >:3 |
| 08:37.34 | Fisker- | because suddenly, surprise headshot |
| 08:37.52 | Lyn | Fisker-: so you are a regular visitor of the blue oyster bar? |
| 08:38.41 | Lyn | Fisker-because suddenly, surprise headshot < sounds more like "suprise buttseks" |
| 08:38.53 | Fisker- | nah |
| 08:41.48 | Lyn | http://www.gamerchip.com/fallout-3-edited-version-now-the-only-version/ that sucks |
| 08:42.03 | Lyn | i hope there will be a blood patch... i want the original feeling of fallout :p |
| 08:42.17 | Arrowmaster | wait what? |
| 08:42.27 | Arrowmaster | the news i saw only said the drug names were changed |
| 08:42.29 | Fisker- | err |
| 08:42.31 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:42.34 | Fisker- | That's all |
| 08:42.41 | Lyn | really? |
| 08:42.49 | Fisker- | yes |
| 08:42.50 | Lyn | mh.. |
| 08:42.59 | Lyn | every fallout version which came out in germany was with no blood |
| 08:43.03 | Lyn | and no violence etc pp |
| 08:43.10 | Lyn | erm "no violance" = disembered people |
| 08:43.14 | Fisker- | Germany isn't australia |
| 08:43.21 | Lyn | :p |
| 08:43.24 | [SW]Dodge | Lyn: if you are from germany, just dont get the german version :P |
| 08:43.25 | Lyn | australia is not better |
| 08:43.42 | Lyn | hm |
| 08:43.47 | Thrae | Uhhh I've seen the play of Fallout 3, and the violence is pretty over the top. |
| 08:43.54 | Lyn | but when this will the worldwide version, maybe i have blood in fallout3 then :p |
| 08:44.10 | Arrowmaster | australia doesnt have an adult video game rating, ma15+ is the highest they have i think |
| 08:44.11 | Lyn | Thrae: I mean dismembering people etc with "violance", misstyped |
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| 08:44.59 | Lyn | so.. |
| 08:45.23 | Lyn | maybe its same easy change like in fallout tactics, edit one file and i have everything :P |
| 08:45.35 | Thrae | Anyway, so what if they removed a few drug references. |
| 08:45.37 | Lyn | sometimes i hate to live here |
| 08:45.59 | Fisker- | sometimes i hate you Lyn |
| 08:46.12 | Thrae | They didn't remove them, they just changed them to fictional ones. |
| 08:46.14 | Lyn | thanks, I know you love me, fisker-babe |
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| 08:47.22 | Lyn | I dont care if they change the name from heroin to poopoo-stuff ... I just care about the violence level option of fallout :P |
| 08:47.31 | Fisker- | i just hate you |
| 08:47.40 | [SW]Dodge | Lyn: "edit one file and i have everything" maybe too, like in EU version of FarCry to enable ragdoll :D |
| 08:47.43 | Lyn | i know fisker, go play your anti-christian game |
| 08:47.47 | Lyn | haha |
| 08:47.50 | Lyn | yes |
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| 08:48.24 | Lyn | was the same in unreal tournament |
| 08:48.31 | Lyn | just edit one file to get the blood splatter x) |
| 08:48.36 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 08:49.55 | [SW]Dodge | i'm happy that i got a EU copy of Farcry befor it gots removed from german market as it was a version that was not stated(and allowed) by USK :D |
| 08:50.22 | Lyn | i have still an old generals version |
| 08:50.32 | Lyn | where the suicide bomber are humans and no walking cans |
| 08:50.58 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 08:51.16 | Lyn | but its funny when the walking cans drive motorcycles |
| 08:51.17 | Lyn | xD |
| 08:51.23 | [SW]Dodge | hehe |
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| 08:52.46 | [SW]Dodge | i wonder why wow is 12+ ^^ the whole you do nothing but killing mobs(even humans!) or other player in pvp :D |
| 08:54.25 | Arrowmaster | holy shit |
| 08:54.31 | [SW]Dodge | wow is even the only legal drug for children ^^ |
| 08:54.44 | Arrowmaster | this class im starting on friday might actually be somewhat interesting even though i doubt ill learn anything from it |
| 08:55.06 | Arrowmaster | this syllabus actually mentions linux and stuff like dig |
| 08:55.27 | Arrowmaster | (my school is 100% M$ sellout) |
| 08:57.03 | Lyn | today another day of math course.. and my teacher can't really teach or describe the stuff -.- |
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| 08:58.25 | Arrowmaster | i need to loadup my flashdrive with updated versions of portable software and prep a linux box to use as a proxy |
| 09:00.15 | [SW]Dodge | netsplit ftl :E |
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| 09:01.05 | Lyn | aww.. |
| 09:01.14 | [SW]Dodge | welcome back :) |
| 09:01.44 | [SW]Dodge | yay eu realms are back up :D |
| 09:02.44 | [SW]Dodge | he Public Test Realm Character Copy feature is currently closed. Please watch www.worldofwarcraft.com for any announcements regarding the availability of the Public Test Realms. <- yay progress :D |
| 09:03.24 | Arrowmaster | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1220360595652.jpg |
| 09:03.34 | Arrowmaster | http://www.redditall.com/2008/08/great-idea-reddit-crowbar-for-cernlhc.html |
| 09:06.12 | [SW]Dodge | what do you think about the blizz authenticator? |
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| 09:07.45 | Cairenn | mini-net split |
| 09:08.05 | Lyn | damnit, fisker still here :P |
| 09:08.07 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
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| 09:08.42 | [SW]Dodge | mhm doesn lua support condition ? "true" : "false" ? |
| 09:10.02 | cbreak | hmm... people on the US mage forum keep speaking about the random number generator, but I doubt they know what they are talking about :/ |
| 09:10.26 | Fisker- | what? |
| 09:10.39 | smcn | the random number generator generates numbers randomly |
| 09:10.47 | cladhaire | [SW]Dodge: It supports ternary in form of short circuit operators |
| 09:11.14 | cladhaire | lua> true and false or true |
| 09:11.16 | lua_bot | cladhaire: true |
| 09:11.20 | cladhaire | that's the exception :P |
| 09:11.28 | cladhaire | lua> true and 0 or 1 |
| 09:11.28 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 0 |
| 09:11.33 | cladhaire | lua> false and 0 or 1 |
| 09:11.33 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 1 |
| 09:11.39 | cladhaire | although nil breaks it as well |
| 09:11.43 | cladhaire | lua> true and nil or true |
| 09:11.44 | lua_bot | cladhaire: true |
| 09:12.18 | [SW]Dodge | cladhaire: thanks, in wowace they where faster, there i tried the lua> didnt know that lua_bot is here too :P |
| 09:12.26 | cladhaire | lua_bot is everywhere :P |
| 09:12.41 | cladhaire | or can be anywhere you need it to be :P |
| 09:12.44 | Fisker- | Anyone know if there's an affinity mask that makes WoW automatically use all 4 cores? |
| 09:13.09 | krka | lua> function tern(cond, a, b) if cond then return a end return b end print(true, 0, 1) |
| 09:13.10 | lua_bot | krka: true, 0, 1 |
| 09:13.15 | krka | lua> function tern(cond, a, b) if cond then return a end return b end print(tern(true, 0, 1)) |
| 09:13.16 | lua_bot | krka: 0 |
| 09:13.44 | [SW]Dodge | cladhaire: good to know ^^:) |
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| 09:23.14 | Xinhuan | fisker, the mask just tells wow to use any 2 out of 4 cores ;p |
| 09:23.45 | cbreak | shouldn't the default be to use all cores? |
| 09:23.58 | Xinhuan | wow only uses a max of 2 cores, no matter how many you have |
| 09:24.00 | cbreak | although... wow isn't that much into threading, strangely |
| 09:24.08 | Xinhuan | the mask only tells wow which 2 to use |
| 09:24.21 | Xinhuan | if you happen to have say 4 cores, you can specify which 2 you want it to use |
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| 09:24.34 | Xinhuan | if you specify all 4, it just chooses the best 2 |
| 09:25.33 | cbreak | the best two? :) |
| 09:25.43 | Xinhuan | well i don't know how it chooses |
| 09:26.03 | cbreak | I bet the scheduler just puts them on the next core in line |
| 09:27.14 | Fisker- | bah |
| 09:27.19 | Fisker- | I want it to use all 4 |
| 09:28.28 | cbreak | wow seems to spawn 27 threads here, but still only one of them actually does anything. lame |
| 09:30.26 | [SW]Dodge | is there a way to let wow use a resolution that is not listed in video settings? (for window mode) |
| 09:30.42 | haste | just set it in Config.wtf? |
| 09:32.16 | [SW]Dodge | haste i set gxResolution "1800x1000" and after starting and exiting wow it was gxResolution "1280x960" |
| 09:33.12 | cladhaire | it can't use a non-detected resolution |
| 09:33.13 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 09:33.21 | [SW]Dodge | :( |
| 09:34.23 | haste | then inject the resolution! |
| 09:34.29 | haste | no idea how hard that is on windows tho' :p |
| 09:34.59 | [SW]Dodge | haste: i think i have to modify the driver to inject the resolution :P |
| 09:36.17 | haste | shouldn't be an issue! |
| 09:36.40 | haste | I remember having an app that let me add fake resolutions tho' |
| 09:36.41 | [SW]Dodge | i have no idea where can find what i have do modfiy :D |
| 09:36.52 | haste | but I used that on my voodoo 3 card |
| 09:36.58 | haste | so that's ages ago :p |
| 09:37.10 | [SW]Dodge | hehe |
| 09:37.16 | Lyn | BREMEN, DE 10/09/2008 11:13 THE RECEIVER WAS UNAVAILABLE TO SIGN ON THE 1ST DELIVERY ATTEMPT. A 2ND DELIVERY ATTEMPT WILL BE MADE ._. |
| 09:37.19 | Lyn | meeeh |
| 09:37.31 | Lyn | i hate ups |
| 09:37.35 | cbreak | that is comforting |
| 09:37.58 | [SW]Dodge | haha -.- i cant even use 1600*768 |
| 09:38.10 | [SW]Dodge | it resizes to somewhat below 1280*XXX |
| 09:38.11 | [SW]Dodge | :( |
| 09:38.56 | zenzio | as you said, it probably depends on what your driver says it recognizes |
| 09:39.44 | [SW]Dodge | zenzio: hte 1600*768 is detected. i selected it form ingame video settings :( |
| 09:39.50 | Lyn | Industrial: ping |
| 09:39.54 | zenzio | hm, that's odd then |
| 09:40.21 | [SW]Dodge | ok it is not 768 but 900... but taht does not care.. it doesnt work :( |
| 09:40.57 | Lyn | http://i38.tinypic.com/2lj26j4.jpg awww wintergrasp pvp reminds me of hillsbrad |
| 09:42.16 | ReAn | ok |
| 09:42.34 | ReAn | can someone offer me hypothetical suggestions to a very fucked up bug? |
| 09:43.00 | Fisker- | Format your harddrives |
| 09:43.26 | ReAn | Old version of my mod, + XPerl = fine, new version of my mod causes bad code in XPerl to actually produce a LUA error (it's not my code because i do not interact with the part of the blizzard UI that's tossing LUA Errors |
| 09:43.28 | krka | ReAn: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? |
| 09:43.33 | Industrial | Lyn: dong |
| 09:43.37 | ReAn | oh for fucks sake |
| 09:43.46 | Fisker- | i r brilliant |
| 09:43.56 | Lyn | Industrial: is your macbook already there? |
| 09:44.08 | cbreak | ReAn: taint? |
| 09:44.11 | Industrial | im sitting behind it at school yes why :3 |
| 09:44.17 | Industrial | oh, playing wow btw |
| 09:44.17 | Lyn | :O |
| 09:44.18 | Industrial | =D |
| 09:44.23 | Lyn | GIEF PICS! :< |
| 09:44.30 | Industrial | pics wat? |
| 09:44.31 | ReAn | cbreak: huh? |
| 09:44.47 | Lyn | nevermind, just my usual answer.. meh :< is it nice? |
| 09:44.55 | cbreak | is it a taint issue? |
| 09:45.08 | ReAn | what exactly is a taint issue? |
| 09:45.26 | ReAn | XPerl hijacks parts of the RuneFrame |
| 09:45.30 | ReAn | and failed |
| 09:45.35 | ReAn | causing a 'shine' error |
| 09:45.40 | ReAn | on it's own no LUA Error |
| 09:45.40 | Industrial | Lyn: yes :D |
| 09:45.48 | ReAn | my mod on it's own, no LUA error |
| 09:45.50 | Lyn | :( |
| 09:45.55 | Industrial | Lua not LUA |
| 09:45.56 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:45.58 | ReAn | both going side by side, lua error |
| 09:45.59 | Industrial | Lyn: wy |
| 09:46.02 | Lyn | Industrial: what fps etc do you have on max details? |
| 09:46.04 | ReAn | WHO THE FUCK CARE |
| 09:46.05 | Industrial | 30 |
| 09:46.06 | ReAn | S |
| 09:46.09 | ReAn | YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN |
| 09:46.14 | ReAn | jesus christ people |
| 09:46.18 | Industrial | I CARE CAUSE YOU SAY IT WRONG |
| 09:46.21 | cbreak | just spell it lUA |
| 09:46.29 | ReAn | lol |
| 09:46.34 | Fisker- | IT'S LUA |
| 09:46.36 | Lyn | Industrial: what spec does it have? the "standard" black one? |
| 09:46.40 | Fisker- | LUA'S USED AS AN ACRONYM |
| 09:46.42 | Industrial | Lyn: yes |
| 09:46.43 | ReAn | cbreak: can you explain what a 'taint' issue is |
| 09:46.44 | [SW]Dodge | |_ |_| /-\ :D |
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| 09:46.53 | Lyn | nice |
| 09:47.06 | smcn | lou-uh |
| 09:47.12 | Industrial | lou-ah* |
| 09:47.17 | cbreak | if you access some parts of the blizzard UI it gets tainted and loses it's ability to perform protected code |
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| 09:47.30 | smcn | lou-ah? that's silly |
| 09:47.33 | cbreak | but if you have problems with the rune frames, it might just be a bug |
| 09:47.36 | Industrial | thats european. |
| 09:48.01 | Industrial | and since the word is portuguese for moon, thats how it's pronounced. |
| 09:48.12 | Industrial | ReAn: see, no acronym |
| 09:48.23 | ReAn | cbreak, can i msg you in private? |
| 09:48.27 | smcn | i'll just call it the moon language |
| 09:48.40 | cbreak | I won't be able to help you much more, I never had taint issues myself |
| 09:48.44 | Industrial | finnish is hte moon language |
| 09:48.44 | cbreak | I just read about them |
| 09:48.46 | smcn | more powerful than you can possibly imagine with one hundred percent of your brain |
| 09:48.53 | Industrial | = |
| 09:48.55 | Industrial | d |
| 09:50.16 | smcn | t[. .] look it's ignignokt! |
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| 09:50.24 | foxlit | There must be some quota of "let's bore them all to death" assignments in every CS course. |
| 09:50.24 | smcn | i should really go to bed |
| 09:50.47 | foxlit | "Here, read a BMP," they say. |
| 09:52.00 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: sadly its almost all my courses here.... |
| 09:54.04 | foxlit | I mean, heck, why not a TGA? |
| 09:54.08 | foxlit | At least that has a sane spec :( |
| 09:54.28 | ReAn | ok, so how does one mod which dosen't touch Blizzard Code except calling a single :Hide() on a blizzard frame cause another mod to start spouting errors related to taint issue |
| 09:54.31 | ReAn | that's what i don't get |
| 09:55.05 | foxlit | The simple answer is to nuke both authors from orbit. |
| 09:55.32 | zenzio | only way to be sure |
| 09:55.55 | cbreak | a simple hide should not do that |
| 09:56.26 | cbreak | afaik only write access on a non-clean path causes taint |
| 09:56.38 | ReAn | well let's put it this way |
| 09:56.41 | cbreak | maybe that's the case in hide too |
| 09:56.53 | cbreak | what is the erro btw? :) |
| 09:56.56 | ReAn | i change an XPerl Frame from $parentShine to $parentShineTexture |
| 09:57.01 | ReAn | and it fixes the problem |
| 09:57.26 | ReAn | Interface\FrameXML\RuneFrame.lua:86: attempt to index field 'shine' (a nil value) |
| 09:57.41 | ReAn | all my addon does is _G["RuneFrame"]:Hide() |
| 09:57.42 | ReAn | once |
| 09:57.53 | ReAn | at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 09:58.14 | ReAn | from my understanding of xperl's code |
| 09:58.26 | ReAn | they piggyback the blizzard rune frame |
| 09:58.41 | ReAn | and integrate it into thier combo point system? |
| 09:58.49 | foxlit | Meh |
| 09:58.52 | foxlit | It's really simple |
| 09:58.54 | foxlit | You Hide it |
| 09:59.00 | foxlit | Someone else decides to Show it |
| 09:59.10 | foxlit | It might be protected |
| 09:59.10 | ReAn | dosen't matter |
| 09:59.12 | foxlit | You lose. |
| 09:59.22 | ReAn | if it's shown or not |
| 09:59.34 | ReAn | my mod functions fine with or without it |
| 09:59.54 | ReAn | why is xperl throwing this 'shine' error but only when my mod is in place? |
| 10:00.02 | cbreak | you change the parent of a frame of some other mod? |
| 10:00.04 | ReAn | i completely re-wrote my rune frames from scratch |
| 10:00.15 | ReAn | nope |
| 10:00.22 | foxlit | There is no magic, really. |
| 10:00.24 | ReAn | i wrote all the components of my mod by hand |
| 10:00.29 | haste | amazing |
| 10:00.34 | haste | \:D/ |
| 10:00.45 | cbreak | oh god, the US forum mages are so clueless |
| 10:00.57 | foxlit | Something doesn't work as you think it does :) |
| 10:01.01 | cbreak | they get to speak to a ghostcrawler, and all they do is moan how they hate fingers of frost |
| 10:01.07 | Lyn | meh... |
| 10:01.13 | cbreak | how short sighted can they be? :( |
| 10:01.31 | ReAn | foxlit: excuse me? |
| 10:01.53 | foxlit | More or less exactly as written. |
| 10:02.33 | foxlit | If your code, when running, causes something to error in a manner it does not while not running alongside your code, you're causing it, somehow. |
| 10:03.01 | foxlit | "But I'm not" means that you're simply unaware of some interaction that leads to that error |
| 10:03.21 | ReAn | ok yea |
| 10:03.28 | ReAn | XPerl changes the parent of the rune frame |
| 10:03.45 | ReAn | RuneFrame:SetParent(self.runes) |
| 10:04.10 | ReAn | foxlit: my code runs flawlessly without xperl running |
| 10:04.23 | ReAn | i dont touch the part of the ui that's bugging out |
| 10:04.38 | ReAn | unless you consider :Hide() to be the cause of errors |
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| 10:06.23 | foxlit | "i dont touch the part of the ui that's bugging out" << somewhat irrelevant |
| 10:06.44 | ReAn | then by your logic xperl is doing the same thing |
| 10:06.53 | cbreak | I think reparenting blizzard frames is dumb. |
| 10:06.56 | ReAn | because my code and blizzards runs fine without it installed |
| 10:06.57 | foxlit | Does XPerl work perfectly without your addon? :) |
| 10:07.11 | ReAn | it does, and mine works perfectly without xperl |
| 10:07.20 | ReAn | and i identified a fix in xperls code |
| 10:07.24 | foxlit | So we're back to where we started: nuke BOTH authors from orbit :) |
| 10:07.26 | ReAn | that negates the whole issue |
| 10:07.59 | ReAn | what im interested in is how my code is causing xperls broken code to throw errors, so i can make my code tollerant of xperl till xperl is fixed |
| 10:08.43 | foxlit | It's not a fix unless you know what actually goes wrong :) |
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| 10:09.56 | foxlit | Sure, editing something may cause your error to go away (and some might call that a fix), but without establishing "how?" and "why?" you're just as liable to break some feature you don't notice |
| 10:11.06 | cbreak | ReAn: you could detect if xperl is loaded and if that happens just print an error on the chat frame |
| 10:11.11 | cbreak | instead of doing what you did before |
| 10:11.58 | ReAn | xperl has code that stops it from touching the RuneFrame if someone else has hijacked it |
| 10:12.14 | ReAn | however, since im not hijacking the frame, it leaves it be |
| 10:12.19 | ReAn | er |
| 10:12.21 | ReAn | continues |
| 10:13.12 | cbreak | well, why do you hide it? |
| 10:13.25 | ReAn | my mod is a replacement for it |
| 10:13.27 | cbreak | because you want it to not be seen, right? |
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| 10:13.43 | ReAn | i found a way to trick xperl into not touching the rune frame |
| 10:14.02 | cbreak | what does xperl to it? |
| 10:14.16 | ReAn | it sets the runeframe's parent to itself |
| 10:14.22 | ReAn | and hijacks the runes themselves |
| 10:14.24 | cbreak | so it uses it |
| 10:14.29 | ReAn | yar |
| 10:14.35 | cbreak | I would just not touch it if xperl tries to use it |
| 10:15.01 | ReAn | xperl checks if another mod has hijacked the rune frame before hijacking it itself |
| 10:15.12 | ReAn | so i just jacked the frame and xperl ignores the runeframe |
| 10:15.13 | cbreak | yeah, but since you don't need it, let it to xperl :) |
| 10:27.52 | [SW]Dodge | i'm bored -.- |
| 10:28.42 | [SW]Dodge | i miss the time where i got bug reports for my addon -.- but it seems they are all fixed :/ |
| 10:32.16 | [SW]Dodge | well the wrath bugs are not fixed yet <.< |
| 10:35.13 | cladhaire | Anyone here have (or have experience with) the Nokia E71? |
| 10:35.48 | cncfanatics | [SW]Dodge: write another addon and make it very buggy on purpose |
| 10:36.05 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: no idea for another addon :( |
| 10:36.31 | cncfanatics | [W |
| 10:36.32 | cncfanatics | SW |
| 10:36.37 | cncfanatics | [SW]Dodge: you could make helloworld |
| 10:37.15 | [SW]Dodge | Cairenn: YAY <3 for you last post in key give away thread :D |
| 10:37.26 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:37.29 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: thats boring too :D |
| 10:37.39 | cncfanatics | heh, what post ? :o |
| 10:37.49 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: 811-838 just sent in. If Blizz holds true to the same pattern they have thus far, don't expect to see your keys until a week from this Thurs night/Fri. |
| 10:37.55 | [SW]Dodge | my ticket is 817^^ |
| 10:38.02 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 10:43.01 | [SW]Dodge | hm 3.0.1 beta client 2050mb and patches between 22mb and 765mb o.o |
| 10:43.04 | [SW]Dodge | wow |
| 10:44.52 | [SW]Dodge | 4player dont have the last 3 builds for engb :( |
| 10:46.16 | haste | fetch any of the other EU patches then |
| 10:46.27 | haste | I've used deDE twice in the process so far |
| 10:46.34 | [SW]Dodge | that works? |
| 10:46.43 | haste | yes |
| 10:46.51 | [SW]Dodge | okay .D |
| 10:46.51 | haste | at least on my client :p |
| 10:46.57 | haste | I have all the language packs however |
| 10:47.54 | [SW]Dodge | i have installed deDE version but playing with enGB elp |
| 10:49.08 | [SW]Dodge | hm... *reading wget manpage to see how it was to get the links from a local file list* |
| 10:49.46 | Maldivia | wget -i list.file |
| 10:50.44 | [SW]Dodge | thanks Maldivia :) |
| 10:52.34 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: use it all the time :9 |
| 10:52.36 | [SW]Dodge | yay dl with 1,2mb/s :D |
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| 11:31.02 | [SW]Dodge | *extracitng client setup* |
| 11:49.04 | [SW]Dodge | it seems it was an bad idea to install to my old ide HDD instead of my Raid0-SATA -.-' |
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| 11:54.14 | XEQT | how do you change color on text in DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage |
| 11:54.34 | cladhaire | you supply the arguments |
| 11:54.35 | Maldivia | AddMessage(msg, red, green, blue) |
| 11:54.54 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollingMessageFrame/AddMessage |
| 11:54.57 | [SW]Dodge | |cFF000000your text|r ? |
| 11:55.05 | XEQT | Ahh :D .. thanks .. |
| 11:55.28 | Maldivia | [SW]Dodge: works aswell if only parts of it should be colored |
| 11:56.06 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: didnt know about the r,g,b parameters of AddMEssage :D |
| 11:57.56 | XEQT | |cFF000000 <- should it bee 6 "0" or 4 ?? |
| 11:58.18 | XEQT | or are the 2 last one's for background |
| 11:58.48 | [SW]Dodge | XEQT: first 2 are alpha iirc and then 6 for color |
| 11:59.20 | XEQT | Thank you |
| 11:59.21 | [SW]Dodge | iirc FF is no transparency |
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| 12:05.23 | [SW]Dodge | wtf -.- downloaded 2gb patches for beta and now i cant apply due to wrong size of AreaPOI.dbc and Repair.exe fails |
| 12:05.56 | Maldivia | reinstall :) |
| 12:06.00 | Shirik | owneded |
| 12:06.10 | Maldivia | hopefully you didn't delete the installer or patcjes :9 |
| 12:06.44 | [SW]Dodge | Maldivia: no i didnt deleted it (even if i had deleted it from my windows they are still on my linux box^^) |
| 12:07.13 | [SW]Dodge | currently downloading the patch the downloader wants me to get, its a 1,26gb patch |
| 12:07.45 | [SW]Dodge | if this patch also fails i'll go somewhere and kill myself <.< |
| 12:10.53 | cncfanatics | I hope it fails |
| 12:11.14 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: -.-' |
| 12:11.25 | cncfanatics | :D |
| 12:11.33 | cncfanatics | sorry, I'm pissed at some driver stuff on my comp |
| 12:12.02 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: no problem :P |
| 12:12.04 | Maldivia | format, reinstall :) |
| 12:12.23 | [SW]Dodge | get new hardware :D |
| 12:12.49 | cncfanatics | nah, I'm on a new laptop |
| 12:12.53 | cncfanatics | 64 bit brings some issues :p |
| 12:12.53 | Maldivia | or older hardware, if it's a matter of drivers in beta :) |
| 12:13.00 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: dont use it? :p |
| 12:13.07 | cncfanatics | I wanted to try it out heh |
| 12:13.37 | Maldivia | 64-bit can be a bit tricky with drivers yeah - although I haven't had any problems |
| 12:14.22 | cncfanatics | well, not sure its the drivers |
| 12:14.25 | cncfanatics | but it sure is something heh |
| 12:14.26 | nevcairiel | on windows i didnt run into any 64-bit troubles yet |
| 12:14.33 | nevcairiel | but i heard some weird reports on linux |
| 12:14.36 | cncfanatics | first I'm gonna get rid of those nvidia beta drivers |
| 12:16.12 | cncfanatics | and I'm also gonna get rid of this wine from the distro and compile it myself |
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| 12:18.10 | cncfanatics | {standard input}:38: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `push' when compiling wine, yaay |
| 12:20.22 | cncfanatics | sigh, anoying |
| 12:23.31 | Maldivia | cncfanatics: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit |
| 12:25.45 | cncfanatics | Maldivia: I'm not failing at linking though, but at compiling itself |
| 12:27.47 | Maldivia | cncfanatics: the error message looks like something is happening when compiling some of the asm files? |
| 12:29.16 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 12:29.51 | cncfanatics | bah, why did I have to try out 64bit |
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| 12:36.39 | [SW]Dodge | 85% patched *_* |
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| 13:15.15 | cladhaire | Hrm |
| 13:15.19 | cladhaire | spammers are too cool for school |
| 13:16.22 | Maldivia | s/cool/dumb/ |
| 13:16.36 | cladhaire | I say "spammers" like there's a battalion of them rather than the one who holds a grudge |
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| 13:17.51 | Maldivia | they could at least spam Lorem Ipsum instead :9 |
| 13:18.09 | cladhaire | i bet if they used english words, they'd get much further |
| 13:18.16 | cladhaire | they're not using lua-bot this time |
| 13:18.17 | cladhaire | he's sad |
| 13:18.34 | Maldivia | :) |
| 13:18.53 | Maldivia | hmm... connect 10 alice bots, and have them talk to eachother :) |
| 13:19.34 | Maldivia | or what ever they are called today |
| 13:21.08 | Josh_Borke | now that would be cool |
| 13:21.19 | wereHamster | they are like a random password generator |
| 13:22.18 | cladhaire | now that, i'd enjoy :P |
| 13:24.47 | [SW]Dodge | is tehre a way to remove deDE if my base instalation was deDE and i got enGB elp? |
| 13:25.15 | [SW]Dodge | deDE\Interface\WORLDMAP\Azeroth\azerothhighlight.blp -> Invalid source file size: expected 175948, actual 88580 |
| 13:26.28 | [SW]Dodge | or where can i get an Repair exe for "3.0.1.8820 English (UK)" as the one in beta dir tolds me that the client is not supported |
| 13:26.29 | Maldivia | move the deDE folder out of the Data folder |
| 13:26.39 | Maldivia | repair is not supported on beta at all |
| 13:27.03 | [SW]Dodge | :S |
| 13:27.39 | [SW]Dodge | grml now it has to redownload the patch /cry |
| 13:28.20 | Maldivia | when I installed beta, I redownloaded client + TBC + Wotlk + patched |
| 13:28.58 | [SW]Dodge | i downloaded the 8820-8885 patch 5 times now -.- |
| 13:29.16 | [SW]Dodge | beta + to 8820 twice |
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| 13:48.15 | [SW]Dodge | yay, got it :D |
| 13:48.30 | [SW]Dodge | now i just the key has to arrive -.- |
| 13:48.59 | Maldivia | hehe |
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| 15:42.34 | Industrial | damn you iTunes |
| 15:42.36 | Industrial | why so retarded |
| 15:42.50 | Industrial | cant even move the title column in the playlist |
| 15:43.11 | Industrial | i want it sorted by artist|year|album|songnumber|title |
| 15:43.20 | Industrial | you know, so it makes sense? |
| 15:43.34 | Seerah | i-anything is overrated ;) |
| 15:43.39 | Industrial | yeah |
| 15:43.53 | Industrial | if there was a viable alternative I'd use it |
| 15:44.20 | alestane | Yeah, that's sort of wacky...it'll let you rearrange any of the other columns...you can sort by artist, though, even if title is first. |
| 15:44.23 | Industrial | unfortunately my alarm clock works with your "itunes library" and nt just an mp3 file or a irectory. |
| 15:44.26 | Seerah | psh! You can't even get Beatles music with iTunes. I'd say anything without Beatles music is not viable. :) |
| 15:44.38 | Industrial | ha, pay :P |
| 15:44.41 | Industrial | nevar. |
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| 16:38.59 | Kaso | my my thats alot of updates for fedora |
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| 16:43.36 | Kaso | they wont install because apparently i need yum >= 3.2.19 |
| 16:43.47 | kd3 | yum update yum;yum update |
| 16:44.00 | Kaso | but repos only have 3.2.17 as far as i can see |
| 16:44.37 | kd3 | weird. updates went ok for me... though all I saw was packagekit crap |
| 16:45.28 | kd3 | oh, there it goes |
| 16:45.34 | kd3 | 219MB? |
| 16:45.44 | kd3 | oh, new gpg key |
| 16:47.04 | Josh_Borke | yes, new key |
| 16:47.06 | Josh_Borke | means more updates |
| 16:47.09 | Josh_Borke | i didn't have that many though... |
| 16:47.12 | Josh_Borke | wonder what i'm doing wrong... |
| 16:47.14 | Kaso | the bluetooth patches seem interesting to me though, "NOTE THIS ISSUE IS CURRENTLY EMBARGOED, DO NOT MAKE PUBLIC COMMITS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ISSUE." |
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| 16:50.32 | Shirik|Ecole | rawr |
| 16:50.37 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 16:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 16:50.44 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 16:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug gryph |
| 16:50.46 | purl | ACTION jumps into gryph's lap and huggles and *hugs* gryph |
| 16:52.24 | kd3 | thought so... fallout from the server breakin... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_new_signing_key |
| 16:52.36 | Shirik|Ecole | breakin? |
| 16:52.51 | Shirik|Ecole | woah |
| 16:52.53 | kd3 | someone got in to the fedora & rh build servers |
| 16:52.58 | Shirik|Ecole | someone broke into fedora's ... wow |
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| 16:57.15 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: wow, talk about 3 weeks ago |
| 16:57.34 | Josh_Borke | welocem to 2008, everyone knows how to read now |
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| 16:59.52 | Dashkal | Well, gravity isn't suddenly pointing towards the LHC so I guess we're in the clear. |
| 17:00.20 | Kaso | LHC hasnt even done any high energy collisions today |
| 17:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | Josh_Borke, you still in college or out? |
| 17:00.57 | Kaso | they just circulated beams clockwise and anti-clockwise, at separate times and them dumped them into the beamdumps |
| 17:01.57 | Dashkal | Kaso: I know, but I'm playing with the joke. I'm reasonably certain all the designers/scientists/etc aren't out to destroy all life, but the end of the world jokes are fun. |
| 17:04.15 | Josh_Borke | Lopeppeppy: graduated undergrad, working and a grad student |
| 17:05.07 | Lopeppeppy | Josh_Borke, you'd think you'd remember how busy the beginning of a semster is, and not make fun of us who lose track of current events. :) |
| 17:05.31 | Kaso | quote; " |
| 17:05.32 | Kaso | Stopping the beam is pretty cool- There are 'beam dumps', one for each beam, sitting on a junction off the ring. These are massive blocks of carbon surrounded in concrete and cooled with water. In case of an emergency, battery powered 'kicker' magnets kick the beam out of the ring and along to the beam dumps. The energy released as the beam slams into the carbon is enough to raise it to several hundred degrees, and the beam |
| 17:05.32 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.38 | Kaso | Science is cool |
| 17:06.17 | Josh_Borke | Lopeppeppy: i know, i'm just giving shirik a hard time :-P |
| 17:09.09 | Dashkal | Kaso: ooo, nifty tidbits. |
| 17:09.48 | Kaso | im not sure if this thread is publically viewable but its awesome; http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2924802&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 |
| 17:10.32 | Dashkal | Kaso: It's open. |
| 17:10.48 | Dashkal | Damn, suddenly I have a reason to reactivate my old SA account... |
| 17:12.09 | Dashkal | oh yeah, now I remember why I let it sit. Their new password rules are designed to make you forget your password. |
| 17:12.23 | Kaso | lol |
| 17:12.32 | Dashkal | Your new password will need to be at least 12 characters long, contain mixed-case letters, at least one number, and at least one punctuation character. |
| 17:12.36 | Kaso | they're not that bad, and the cookies dont expire |
| 17:12.55 | Dashkal | They do when you have your browser set to always expire cookies on logout :p |
| 17:13.16 | Kaso | well that there's your problem! |
| 17:13.19 | Dashkal | I won't, but I'm so tempted to just copy-paste that rule bit into the password field |
| 17:13.26 | alestane | "...looking at lead ion collisions. This is the equivalent of slamming two elephants together at a few hundred miles an hour and trying to understand the mess..." |
| 17:14.48 | Kaso | its often been said particle colliders are like trying to work out how a watch works by getting two and smashing them together to see what bits come out |
| 17:16.11 | Dashkal | I still can't help but be amused that this really comes down to two people with machine guns firing at each other and looking for bullets that hit each other |
| 17:16.25 | Dashkal | hit each other -> collide |
| 17:17.57 | Thunder_Child | actually it's a win-win situation. if it doesnt destroy the world we have a great new machine, if it does, we wont care. |
| 17:18.26 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: while there's merit to your statement, dying by spaghettification isn't my idea of fun |
| 17:18.47 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, assuming you feel it |
| 17:20.19 | foxlit | so, that warhammer online trailer after today's zero punctuation |
| 17:20.24 | Dashkal | heh, answering that will go too far down the line of particle physics. A subject I'm only passingly aware of. |
| 17:20.50 | foxlit | looks like something straight out of a HoMM cinematic |
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| 17:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ... Mr. "ADDONS IN ARENA ARE UNFAIR, DISABLE THEM" is back on beta-UI |
| 17:25.42 | foxlit | Well |
| 17:25.52 | foxlit | Tournaments end up being played with no addons anyway. |
| 17:26.01 | Maldivia | nooo.... :| |
| 17:26.27 | nevcairiel | what if i'm uber-smart and can write a addon using a bunch of quick /script commands? |
| 17:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I've always wondered that, nevcairiel |
| 17:27.01 | foxlit | I don't think the rules would permit anything except ordinary macros |
| 17:27.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Define "ordinary macros" |
| 17:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | How is /run not valid in an "ordinary macro"? |
| 17:28.00 | foxlit | Well, actually, you're suggesting an easier way out |
| 17:28.17 | foxlit | "ordinary macros" use macro commands other than /run :) |
| 17:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The trick bein that /run is indeed a macro command ;) |
| 17:28.53 | foxlit | Who cares? It's radically different from every other macro command in that it lets you do arbitrary things |
| 17:30.13 | Dashkal | I still think they should just make the arena its own spinoff game. No levels. Choose your gear. Hell, even take away Lua. The people who only play for arena want a different game (as in a game that feels different) than those who want the game as a whole. |
| 17:31.22 | Slakah | arena servers? |
| 17:31.56 | Dashkal | Slakah: I'm someone extreme on this issue. Not even servers, but a client just for that. |
| 17:32.13 | foxlit | It'd be a bad game |
| 17:32.55 | foxlit | s/'d be a bad/ wouldn't be a good/ |
| 17:34.00 | Dashkal | foxlit: Depends on how much they change. It _could_ be done right, but it would require real design/devel work. They couldn't do this slapdash and expect an esport worthy product |
| 17:34.46 | foxlit | Beyond endless whining from various parties, what's wrong with the way things currently are? |
| 17:35.14 | nevcairiel | that everyone gets nerfed just to balance arenas |
| 17:35.17 | Slakah | Dashkal: Thats why I have TF2 |
| 17:35.22 | alestane | I know only one addon type that's been deemed unbalancing in arenas, which is why WotLK contains unitIDs for your arena opponents. |
| 17:35.57 | Dashkal | foxlit: The requirement that every change take both sides into consideration. Each side has (sometimes very) different requirements. |
| 17:36.32 | foxlit | And balancing those is what's fun |
| 17:37.09 | Dashkal | for some definition of 'fun'. I wouldn't want to be on their design team. |
| 17:37.31 | foxlit | I mean, let's balance herbalism with skinning by making a separate flower-picking game |
| 17:37.40 | Dashkal | Trying to find a good balance to make both sides work while _knowing_ you're going to get shit on from both sides doesn't sound like fun |
| 17:37.51 | foxlit | You'll get shit regardless |
| 17:38.09 | foxlit | That's why there's a customer support department insulating most of the actual design team :) |
| 17:38.45 | foxlit | Once getting shit is established as inevitable, anyway, why would anyone feel bad about it? |
| 17:39.14 | Dashkal | We've gone off on a tangent. The design job would be simplified for each product if they no longer had to consider the other. |
| 17:39.58 | foxlit | Possibly. |
| 17:40.05 | foxlit | Simplicity is hardly a goal, though. |
| 17:40.20 | Dashkal | Definitely. Removing requirements makes design dimpler. |
| 17:40.25 | Dashkal | simpler* |
| 17:40.47 | Dashkal | The tradeoff is that another team must be assembled to deal with the new product. |
| 17:40.58 | Dashkal | Not by any means trivial. |
| 17:47.12 | foxlit | http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ mildly amusing |
| 17:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | the source code of that website is much more amusing |
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| 17:50.06 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 17:51.46 | alestane | I presume that someone, somewhere understands what the heck the phrase "false vacuum" means. |
| 17:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | mostly I meant the rss feed note |
| 17:52.22 | foxlit | something about energy levels and stability |
| 17:52.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/rss.xml <-- greatly amusing |
| 17:52.45 | kd3 | lmao |
| 17:54.11 | alestane | "The first person to ask me for an RSS feed gets a free black hole in the junk." |
| 17:54.20 | Dashkal | This post is win: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2924802&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1#post347426242 |
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| 17:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "ok FINE here" |
| 17:54.41 | batrick | "Note: No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced." <- lol |
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| 17:57.05 | Thunder_Child | weeeeeee |
| 17:58.14 | batrick | wow google's homepage as probably the most awesome logo picture yet |
| 17:58.19 | batrick | has probably* |
| 17:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | haha win |
| 17:59.28 | steezo | Does anyone know if there's an API function to start gossip with an NPC? I can find a ton of functions to do stuff after you are already talking to him, but I can't find a function to START talking to one. |
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| 17:59.49 | batrick | no, only can be done by clicking on him |
| 18:00.07 | ScytheBlade1 | steezo: yes, but it requires a hardware event.. which means mouse over the NPC in question |
| 18:00.48 | steezo | so basically there is no way to talk to an npc using your keyboard then? |
| 18:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yup. |
| 18:01.01 | steezo | ok |
| 18:01.33 | Industrial | which sucks |
| 18:01.41 | Industrial | I'd also like to loot with they keyboard |
| 18:01.51 | Industrial | and be able to turn as fast as I want (with a setting/slider) |
| 18:02.38 | batrick | anybody know of a string extension library for Lua? I know there is one just can't find it |
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| 18:03.29 | Thunder_Child | fail, national geographic doesnt have a mission statment |
| 18:05.05 | Thunder_Child | it does however, have a very large baby |
| 18:05.06 | Thunder_Child | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/photogalleries/culture-photos-week1/images/primary/1_82697831_baby_461.jpg |
| 18:06.29 | p3lim | haste: any breaking changes with the updated castingbar module? |
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| 18:09.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ghost] by ChanServ |
| 18:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | This guild IRC channel was a mistake |
| 18:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Too many stupid people >< |
| 18:09.58 | Celoril | My joining just bumped up the smartness. |
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| 18:10.05 | Syzgyn | Why would your guild need an IRC channel? |
| 18:10.27 | Celoril | Isn't that what forums are for? And gchat? :P |
| 18:10.41 | Neuro_Medivh | a lot of people use IRC to keep up with teh guild while not logged in |
| 18:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Our forums have... well over 30k posts |
| 18:11.01 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, scythe, which guild? |
| 18:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | With countless thousands that have been deleted |
| 18:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | In the span of just a few months |
| 18:11.08 | Thunder_Child | nothing wrong with a guild IRC |
| 18:11.29 | Thunder_Child | and gchat != IRC by any strech of the imagination |
| 18:11.43 | Neuro_Medivh | so, after playing WAR all night... I've come to the conclusion that it's a little TOO much like WoW |
| 18:12.13 | Thunder_Child | like any MMO differs from grinding |
| 18:12.20 | Neuro_Medivh | No, TC |
| 18:12.26 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't mean like that |
| 18:12.29 | Shirik|Ecole | oh please |
| 18:12.32 | Shirik|Ecole | WoW is not grinding |
| 18:12.40 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, I picked a "Witch Hunter" class... and it turned out I was playing a rogue! |
| 18:12.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Not just in the "you sneak around" aspect |
| 18:13.04 | foxlit | shocking, wru shaman? |
| 18:13.15 | Neuro_Medivh | but Witch Hunters build up "Accusation Points" with each attack... and when you get 5, you can unleash "Executions" |
| 18:13.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:13.32 | Neuro_Medivh | and they have stealth abilities and ambush people |
| 18:14.04 | Neuro_Medivh | sadly, the gameplay didn't turn me off, but the graphics did... felt like I was playing EQ2 |
| 18:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "As long as we don't label it as a 'rogue' then people will think that it isn't! Brilliant! New class, zero effort!" |
| 18:14.31 | Neuro_Medivh | and my machine is a bit old, so it can't run the graphics as well as it can WoW |
| 18:15.07 | Neuro_Medivh | unfortunately, it has a fatal flaw similar to WoW... every single server has a higher Chaos faction than Order |
| 18:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | SHOCK |
| 18:15.34 | Neuro_Medivh | I know |
| 18:15.40 | ScytheBlade1 | This is my surprised face |
| 18:15.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ... it looks *exactly* like my regular face |
| 18:15.54 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, unsimilar, the factions are reversed |
| 18:16.07 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 18:16.22 | Neuro_Medivh | but faction balance is much more important in WAR from what I gather |
| 18:16.54 | Seerah | yes, zone control |
| 18:16.56 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, it's a fun game... but it'll be the DAoC to Warcraft's EQ |
| 18:17.14 | Neuro_Medivh | It'll be successful, but it won't put a dent in WoW's numbers |
| 18:17.47 | Thunder_Child | might, it has a more robust pvp system |
| 18:18.10 | Neuro_Medivh | nah.. most people care about PvE, not pvp |
| 18:18.21 | Esine | most people are dumb :| |
| 18:18.23 | Celoril | I have an addon that's almost done.. to an experienced developer it needs 10-15 mins of work, but I'm quite swamped. If anyone wants to finish it up I will pay you for your time/work.. :) |
| 18:18.36 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, you might be surprised about that |
| 18:19.15 | Neuro_Medivh | TC, compare the numbers on pvp servers and pve servers. You'll find every pve server is med+ pop, and the majority of pvp servers are low |
| 18:19.23 | Neuro_Medivh | and there's more pve servers than pvp |
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| 18:20.17 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, right, however there are some reasons that it, like the fact that you can be picked off at low levels on a pvp server (not fun) however, that isnt an issue in war |
| 18:20.47 | Seerah | correct - many people who prefer pvp do not prefer to level on a pvp server |
| 18:21.02 | foxlit | http://im.afy11.net/images/03/57/3570918.gif o.O |
| 18:21.13 | Neuro_Medivh | I havent' gotten high enough to know how the rvr truly interacts... but every time I've done a scenario, order was outnumbered and lost |
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| 18:21.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 18:21.51 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, not the last time i did a scenario, chaos got wiped out |
| 18:22.28 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/fbf3ba2377722d3516142bcdb9fcfe5eea9bee40/hardoncollider.jpg |
| 18:22.40 | Neuro_Medivh | I can only judge based on what I saw... maybe on the populated servers it's different, I made the mistake of choosing the suggested realm |
| 18:23.38 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, so did i, however it seemed to get populated rather fast due to the fact that a day later it a had a queue |
| 18:24.26 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh |
| 18:24.56 | Neuro_Medivh | well, it looks like a fun game, if your machine can run it smoothly. Sadly, mine cannot |
| 18:24.59 | Thunder_Child | lol Kaso |
| 18:25.28 | Kaso | I really do understand the whole concept more after reading that |
| 18:25.43 | Neuro_Medivh | but it truly strikes me as WoW... What kind of endgame does WAR have? |
| 18:25.59 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, pve *rolls eyes* |
| 18:26.17 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: ok, so I've moved the old blizzcon 2007 galleries, please try any old links you might have an let me know if there are any problems |
| 18:27.33 | alestane | Anyone have a link to that "WoW Server Upgrade" hamster wheel image? Google failed me. |
| 18:27.34 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, ok, but i didnt have any other links than the main one |
| 18:27.49 | Esamynn | yah, I can't actually find any old links either |
| 18:27.54 | Esamynn | but I think they will work! :) |
| 18:28.00 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 18:28.00 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:29.31 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, ya, looks like it works |
| 18:29.41 | Thunder_Child | found an old link on the logs |
| 18:29.47 | Esamynn | victory is mine! |
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| 18:30.31 | Thunder_Child | sadly it had to be a pic of me >.< |
| 18:31.29 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 18:44.15 | Shirik | o.O |
| 18:44.17 | Shirik | "Success" |
| 18:44.28 | Shirik | Anyway, Lopeppeppy, I prefer not to think of myself as a student |
| 18:44.38 | Shirik | I tend to associate more with "slave labor" |
| 18:45.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ah yes, slaves dont' know current events either I guess |
| 18:48.27 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, Spectral Transformation going bye bye for enh shaman |
| 18:51.38 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.49 | wereHamster | Kaso: was that really in the guardian? |
| 18:52.19 | Kaso | I dont know i just saw it online, but its a convincing fake |
| 18:52.35 | Kaso | If they really did publish that theyve gone up like 20 points in my opinion |
| 18:52.56 | wereHamster | Kaso: they wrote our chees wrong! It's Emmental, not Emmenthal |
| 18:58.51 | wereHamster | didn't Gordon Freeman create a black hole the last time he was involved in a physics experiment? |
| 18:59.44 | wereHamster | http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/09/terrible-news-gordon-freeman-spotted-near-large-hadron-collider/ |
| 18:59.45 | Kaso | resonance cascade! its a completely different and unique doomsday scenario |
| 19:02.20 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 19:03.45 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child is kinda cute |
| 19:06.14 | Dashkal | wereHamster: pure win |
| 19:09.07 | Duman | haha |
| 19:09.16 | Duman | yeah I saw that yesterday |
| 19:09.30 | Duman | made me laugh :) |
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| 19:18.08 | Tem | Was there a beta patch today? |
| 19:18.22 | Tem | someone is posting on the forums like there was a new build deployed today |
| 19:19.19 | Industrial | apparently some retarded girl in india kille herself in fear of the LHC |
| 19:19.28 | Industrial | in other news, largehardoncollider.com |
| 19:19.32 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.22 | Syzgyn | Tem: Nope |
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| 19:34.13 | foxlit | Something about this channel breaks my autojoin :( |
| 19:34.24 | Lopeppeppy | Is it still +r? |
| 19:34.34 | wereHamster | +R even |
| 19:34.43 | Industrial | whats faerie fire called for macros? |
| 19:34.50 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.14 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.17 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 19:35.21 | Industrial | .. wy |
| 19:35.24 | Industrial | why* |
| 19:35.26 | Syzgyn | The rank |
| 19:35.44 | Industrial | yes why i mean I want the top rank why would I need to put it there |
| 19:36.14 | Syzgyn | Without the () the macro thinks you want Faerie Fire, rank Feral |
| 19:36.18 | alestane | Otherwise it thinks you want to cast rank (Feral) of Faerie Fire, which doesn't exist. So the extra empty () at the end means (top rank) and (Feral) is treated as part of the name. |
| 19:36.30 | Industrial | hmmm |
| 19:37.10 | alestane | It's a quirk of the system that pretty much only affects druids. |
| 19:37.10 | Syzgyn | I forget, couldnt you just use the spell number? /cast spell:12345? |
| 19:37.20 | wereHamster | string matching ftl |
| 19:37.24 | alestane | I don't think that's been enabled. |
| 19:37.30 | Syzgyn | I know you can do it with item |
| 19:37.31 | Syzgyn | s |
| 19:37.36 | Syzgyn | guess thats all |
| 19:37.44 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.49 | Industrial | i call it "grind" |
| 19:37.50 | Industrial | :p |
| 19:38.34 | Industrial | 7 levels til mangle >_> |
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| 19:46.01 | foxlit | So someone is claiming I lose SV data if client gets disconnected |
| 19:46.17 | foxlit | I wonder how I can cause a disconnect to test. |
| 19:47.23 | Kolie | take a pair of scissors, and find your ethernet cord. |
| 19:47.32 | Industrial | hewly crap I just ravaged for 900 then erocious bite for 500 both crits poof rogue dead lmao |
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| 19:50.26 | wereHamster | foxlit: SendChatMessage("\n") |
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| 19:52.33 | lunartear | anyone know if there's an addon for be.imba.hu? |
| 19:52.56 | lunartear | or similar |
| 19:53.18 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.26 | kd3 | "<name> says something incomprehensible" |
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| 19:55.15 | wereHamster | ah, then just 'ifconfig eth0 down' :) |
| 19:55.26 | wereHamster | or pull the cable |
| 19:56.30 | Dewin | Interesting conversation |
| 19:56.45 | foxlit | I've been using a second client to disconnect myself |
| 19:57.00 | foxlit | Doesn't actually replicate the issue :( |
| 19:57.47 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub..... >.< |
| 19:58.24 | Tekkub | ^^ |
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| 20:00.29 | Dewin | blah on the channel being +R |
| 20:00.42 | kd3 | we were getting spambotted last night |
| 20:00.52 | Dewin | yeah |
| 20:00.59 | Dewin | but my client tries to autojoin the channel at startup |
| 20:01.06 | Dewin | And... it tries to autojoin before it finishes identifying |
| 20:01.11 | kd3 | stupid client, that |
| 20:01.17 | Dewin | well |
| 20:01.21 | Dewin | it's pidgin, what do you expect? |
| 20:01.30 | alestane | So does mine. I have a favorites button down at the bottom for when that happens. |
| 20:01.41 | Dashkal | GC is definitely aware of the DK-ignoring-diseases bit "-- We'll go ahead and test the "lazy DK" model again -- the DK who ignores diseases and just uses strikes, to see what the damage difference is. " |
| 20:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | Favorites button sounds scrumptious |
| 20:02.03 | Dewin | I just add #wowuidev to my buddy list. |
| 20:02.08 | alestane | Yay Colloquy. |
| 20:02.17 | foxlit | alestane: colloquy bugs on entry for me |
| 20:02.29 | Dewin | colloquy? |
| 20:02.37 | foxlit | It also has this awesome bug where if you apple-w this channel and then /join again, it'll /part on your behalf |
| 20:02.41 | alestane | Only, one of my channels has a password, and it can't handle that from a favorites selection. |
| 20:02.42 | kd3 | rofl. "This Just In: Fire Still Hot!" |
| 20:02.58 | alestane | foxlit: What do you use for Mac, then? |
| 20:03.05 | Dewin | Not if it's moonfire. Then it's... celestial, not hot. |
| 20:03.20 | foxlit | I use it anyway, and scowl when it annoys me |
| 20:03.37 | Dewin | By the way, foxlit, I hate apple-w. >.> |
| 20:03.40 | foxlit | Theoretically, I really should submit a patch, but that'd involve not being lazy |
| 20:04.06 | Dewin | I have nothing against macs, but I don't like windows programs that suddenly started copying mac shortcuts so now ctrl+w closes things in addition to alt+f4 |
| 20:04.14 | alestane | That would involve me trying to remember how the hell to program in other languages, for real OS APIs. |
| 20:05.09 | foxlit | In other news, Genius really isn't that bright when it comes to popular yet not-quite-commercial songs |
| 20:08.06 | Maldivia | Dewin: ehh, ctrl+w and ctrl+f4 has always closed mdi windows |
| 20:08.35 | foxlit | Dewin: different paradigms. |
| 20:08.36 | zenzelezz | not necessarily |
| 20:08.41 | zenzelezz | ctrl+F6 used to be MDI |
| 20:08.41 | foxlit | ALT+F4 closes the application |
| 20:08.58 | foxlit | which is apple-Q |
| 20:08.59 | zenzelezz | ALT+F4 closes nothing, it sends a WM_CLOSE message to the appropriate windows |
| 20:09.01 | zenzelezz | -s |
| 20:10.17 | Dewin | Well, ctrl+W didn't used to do any sort of window-closing behavior on windows |
| 20:10.52 | Dewin | though oddly enough, I don't know why I'm complaining because now that I'm used to it I kind of prefer it, easier to reach it I'm using it to close tab in firefox |
| 20:10.52 | foxlit | Dewin: when is this mythical and mysterious time? :) |
| 20:11.19 | Maldivia | Dewin: for instance back when word was MDI, ctrl-w closed the current document |
| 20:11.33 | Maldivia | Dewin: that's back to around Word 97 |
| 20:11.43 | Dewin | <-- still uses word 97, heh |
| 20:11.54 | Dewin | Hmm. Maybe my memory just fails me then |
| 20:12.25 | Maldivia | yeah, think so |
| 20:14.21 | Dewin | hmm.. there's an update to the wow launcher? strange |
| 20:14.43 | foxlit | It logs your keys. |
| 20:15.47 | Dewin | yes, because Blizzard really wants to know my WoW account password. Why would I give it to the... oh wait, I do that every time I log in. |
| 20:16.03 | foxlit | But... you do not :) |
| 20:16.24 | foxlit | The log-in process verifies that you know the password, but doesn't actually ask you to reveal it |
| 20:16.41 | foxlit | Hence the need to log your keys :) |
| 20:16.59 | Maldivia | Dewin: new version of the launcher - probably a preperation for 3.0.2 ptr |
| 20:17.07 | Dewin | I figured as much too. |
| 20:17.13 | foxlit | If I was a conspiracy (hi Shirik!) theorist, I'd add that they're doing it to fix that case-insensitivity bug |
| 20:17.22 | Maldivia | could mean ptr will be out friday? |
| 20:17.49 | Dewin | I still want them to do something about characters with accent marks in their name >.> |
| 20:18.03 | Maldivia | do what? |
| 20:18.17 | Dewin | Make it possible to send them a tell if you're using a US keyboard, for one |
| 20:18.27 | foxlit | Force them all to change their name |
| 20:18.30 | foxlit | That'll teach them! |
| 20:18.46 | foxlit | (charge a few days for the privilege, too) |
| 20:18.48 | Dewin | Nah, what I think would work, at least for most of them, is let you type the unaccented character and have it go to them |
| 20:18.50 | lunartear | should just disable funky characters in names period |
| 20:19.10 | Dewin | lunar: nah, it makes sense on the non-US servers I'd think. |
| 20:19.22 | foxlit | What would you do with people who have multitudes of names that differ only by which character is ascented? |
| 20:20.00 | Dewin | that's why I said "for most of them" |
| 20:20.36 | foxlit | How would you deal with a mechanic that allows people no way to predict whether they can use it to begin with? |
| 20:20.37 | Maldivia | Dewin: whats wrong with clicking their name to send s whisper? |
| 20:22.30 | Sixen | *sigh* |
| 20:22.32 | Sixen | Is the PTR up? |
| 20:23.32 | Maldivia | Sixen: nope |
| 20:23.37 | Sixen | Yeah, didn't think so.. |
| 20:23.45 | Sixen | Dumb trolls spmming topics. *sigh* |
| 20:24.01 | Maldivia | but a new launcher version, so it's probably in the works |
| 20:24.04 | lunartear | I've actually ran into problems trying to whisper to people with funky characters in their name even by clicking on their name. It just said no player x |
| 20:24.32 | lunartear | even though they are standing right next to me |
| 20:24.53 | foxlit | Wonder If I can spam myself with whispers to disconnect |
| 20:24.59 | Maldivia | you can |
| 20:25.48 | Maldivia | all my usual methods to disconnect myself no longer works :| |
| 20:26.03 | Dewin | Wow. Imagine driving down the road and seeing this: http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/LOX_tank_DSCF0556_640.png |
| 20:26.44 | Sixen | PTR Client is up, that's about it. |
| 20:26.56 | alestane | I think that's a forced-perspective thing, Dewin. |
| 20:27.07 | alestane | Sixen: I still get the 2.4.3 client download. |
| 20:27.08 | Dewin | no, it's not: http://mms.businesswire.com/bwapps/mediaserver/ViewMedia?mgid=150449&vid=5&download=1 |
| 20:27.20 | kd3 | client is up? |
| 20:27.22 | Dewin | yes, that giant 250,000 gallon LOX tank is on the back of that truck. |
| 20:27.22 | Sixen | Oh wait. |
| 20:27.23 | foxlit | Maldivia: I can't |
| 20:27.28 | Sixen | Nope, I lied. |
| 20:27.30 | Maldivia | might just be a resolution issue, but it looks really fake :) |
| 20:27.30 | Sixen | My bad. |
| 20:27.34 | Dewin | it's real |
| 20:27.35 | Sixen | Good call, ale. |
| 20:27.46 | Maldivia | full version of it made it much clearer |
| 20:28.16 | Maldivia | like the banner in the front "Oversize load" |
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| 20:28.49 | NeoTron | for once, the banner is in fact correct! |
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| 20:29.58 | Dewin | the related story is here: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/10/1719203&from=rss |
| 20:30.45 | foxlit | Someone made a cruel joke at the expense of my lecture schedule |
| 20:30.51 | foxlit | Thursday is algorithms and physics |
| 20:31.15 | foxlit | (guess what's wrong with that?) |
| 20:31.34 | Thunder_Child | "Reward: Email Validated Includes: Title - 'The Validated'" |
| 20:31.48 | Thunder_Child | thats rather sad |
| 20:34.33 | smcn | ? |
| 20:34.58 | Syzgyn | TC: lolwhat? |
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| 20:35.57 | Thunder_Child | for warhammer |
| 20:36.05 | Syzgyn | Hah |
| 20:36.30 | Thunder_Child | CE pre only, but still kinda sad |
| 20:36.53 | Syzgyn | Agreec |
| 20:36.58 | Syzgyn | s/c/d |
| 20:37.09 | Thunder_Child | trailing / |
| 20:37.13 | Syzgyn | s/c/d/ |
| 20:37.16 | Syzgyn | aha |
| 20:37.36 | Syzgyn | I was wondering why that never worked for me :P |
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| 20:38.19 | Thunder_Child | better that than purl hating you |
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| 20:45.07 | Syzgyn | Whenever my Jact program crashes, it keeps my taskbar from minimizing :( |
| 20:46.11 | Tem | is anyone able to get to the site www.meebo.com? |
| 20:46.32 | Industrial | http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| 20:46.34 | Syzgyn | Not loading for me |
| 20:46.35 | Maldivia | Tem: can connect and send request, but no response |
| 20:49.03 | Tem | thanks |
| 20:49.09 | Tem | I'm glad it's not just down for me |
| 20:49.13 | Thunder_Child | thats the web based chat system isnt it? |
| 20:49.54 | Syzgyn | http://antispore.com/ <-- "This entire game is propaganda aimed directly at our children to teach them evolution instead of creationism, or “intelligent design” if you go for stupid PC terms." |
| 20:49.55 | Tem | yeah |
| 20:52.53 | Thunder_Child | Syzgyn, if i ever met that person i wonder if i would have enough restraint not to kill him/her |
| 20:52.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (n=Dave@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:53.15 | Syzgyn | I think its hilarious |
| 20:53.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (n=Dave@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:53.38 | Syzgyn | It was linked on Kotaku, and people proceded to troll the shit out of it |
| 21:02.31 | smcn | this kid is fucking amazing: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3477917/9676459 |
| 21:04.34 | Thunder_Child | lol, i like the look of "OMG white kid with weapons" the host gives |
| 21:07.16 | foxlit | "But if you ever felt like you had too much power, God would come in with a tornado or an earthquake and put you back in place." |
| 21:07.35 | foxlit | I wonder. I seem to recall being able to conjure up a tornado all on my own in Sim City :/ |
| 21:12.20 | smcn | is there a blue tracker that doesn't include the euro forums? kind of tired of my rss being full of whine |
| 21:13.04 | foxlit | Are we operaing under the assumption that american whine isn't blue-tagged? |
| 21:13.27 | foxlit | "You have subscribed to a Pearson Education online product. Please print this page as your receipt. You will also receive a confirmation email for your records." |
| 21:13.40 | foxlit | And that's more or less the only content on the page |
| 21:13.48 | foxlit | "Yeah, let's print this for your records" |
| 21:13.48 | smcn | lol |
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| 21:14.25 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 21:18.40 | kd3 | anyone know what the star code to block your cellphone number is? |
| 21:18.45 | kd3 | *67? |
| 21:19.46 | Fisker- | Why not just let your cellphone handle it? |
| 21:21.17 | Fisker- | *67 according to google though |
| 21:21.18 | Fisker- | stalker |
| 21:21.22 | Fisker- | heads up Cairenn call inc |
| 21:21.26 | kd3 | rofl |
| 21:21.54 | Fisker- | preloading for 3.0 has just started |
| 21:22.13 | kd3 | let's see if the forums have exploded |
| 21:22.41 | Fisker- | actually it was just a launcher update |
| 21:22.46 | Fisker- | but the forums say it'll be enabled shortly |
| 21:24.02 | Fisker- | zarhym can't spell |
| 21:24.05 | Fisker- | "the Laucher," |
| 21:26.59 | Arrowmaster | preloading for 3.0? wtf |
| 21:27.07 | kd3 | 3.0.2 |
| 21:27.18 | Arrowmaster | not even close to balanced |
| 21:27.23 | kd3 | art data |
| 21:27.25 | kd3 | sound assets |
| 21:27.29 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 21:27.30 | kd3 | stuff that's not part of balance |
| 21:27.40 | Arrowmaster | but they better not fucking put 3.0 up soon |
| 21:27.59 | kd3 | PTR this week or next. probably on PTR for at minimum 6 weeks |
| 21:29.22 | Fisker- | infact they better fucking put 3.0 up soon |
| 21:29.26 | Fisker- | the PTR that is |
| 21:29.31 | Fisker- | more testing = better balancing |
| 21:29.36 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:29.50 | Arrowmaster | but i dont have my bear mount yet |
| 21:30.06 | kd3 | then you better push hard on live |
| 21:30.19 | Arrowmaster | fuckers wont do za |
| 21:30.19 | Fisker- | i wouldn't even want it if it was that or being alive |
| 21:30.30 | kd3 | whee |
| 21:30.34 | kd3 | [SERVER] Shutdown in 15:00 |
| 21:30.43 | Fisker- | Everyone and their mothers have a stupid bear mount |
| 21:30.45 | Fisker- | it's not cool |
| 21:31.24 | Fisker- | the phoenix from TK on the other hand >:3 |
| 21:31.51 | Arrowmaster | that can be farmed in 3.0 |
| 21:32.08 | Arrowmaster | war bears cant |
| 21:32.44 | Dewin | Does anybody know a good way to copy addon settings from one server to another? |
| 21:33.01 | Arrowmaster | yes edit the files by hand |
| 21:33.01 | kd3 | if the addon uses profiling, use that |
| 21:33.27 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 21:33.40 | Dewin | I copied the character stuff from wtf to the new toons, but the serverside stuff didn't seem to take. And I have a LOT of addons, so I was hoping to do it en masse somehow |
| 21:34.33 | Arrowmaster | there is no serverside stuff |
| 21:34.44 | Dewin | I mean |
| 21:34.50 | Dewin | the stuff that's server-specific rather than character-specific |
| 21:35.01 | Arrowmaster | like i said |
| 21:35.04 | Arrowmaster | edit by hand |
| 21:35.34 | Dewin | yeah, working on it |
| 21:35.40 | Dewin | sadly it's not as easy as search-replace |
| 21:36.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah it is, just never do replace all |
| 21:36.32 | Dewin | No, it's not a server transfer, I just started playing a toon on a new server but I want his layout to copy all my other toons on another server |
| 21:36.38 | foxlit | qq at swf-encapsulated one-page-at-a-time ebooks |
| 21:37.14 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: hope you didnt pay for it |
| 21:37.27 | foxlit | Came bundled with my physical physics book |
| 21:37.43 | foxlit | Expires in 2 years, too |
| 21:37.48 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:38.02 | Arrowmaster | not like the book has a good chance of lasting that long anyway |
| 21:38.10 | foxlit | It'd better! |
| 21:38.20 | foxlit | But yes, it may just fall apart. |
| 21:38.40 | foxlit | softcovers and ~2000 pages make for an odd mix. |
| 21:38.41 | Arrowmaster | no i ment colleges are always changing the books they use |
| 21:39.03 | foxlit | Meh, I don't care about what books the college uses. |
| 21:39.56 | foxlit | (well, right now, I do, but I don't think the book will become useless if someone suddenly releases an updated edition) |
| 21:41.10 | Thunder_Child | ~seen Sargeras |
| 21:41.12 | purl | sargeras <n=Guest@cpe-98-148-167-228.socal.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 18h 57m 18s ago, saying: 'oh wait'. |
| 21:41.21 | foxlit | long wait, eh |
| 21:41.25 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 21:41.32 | Antiarc | We are bringing the Beta realms down starting at 2:45 PM PDT to perform maintenance and to apply a patch. We anticipate a downtime of approximately 6 hours. |
| 21:41.54 | smcn | qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 21:41.57 | smcn | ohwait |
| 21:41.59 | smcn | apply a patch |
| 21:42.02 | smcn | sweet |
| 21:42.36 | smcn | hmm i wonder if my 3rd account is still active |
| 21:43.50 | Maldivia | to the Danes - anyone who watched Soccer? |
| 21:45.45 | Maldivia | patch... and I just uploaded 8905 version today... heh |
| 21:46.37 | smcn | i wonder if this build number will be over nine thousand |
| 21:46.53 | Maldivia | it wont |
| 21:47.03 | smcn | yeah it hasn't even been a week yet |
| 21:47.04 | Neuro_Medivh | that means racials will be changed in this one |
| 21:47.35 | Maldivia | it's only been 5 days or so - while they can do 95 build in 5 days, that's not consistant with their usual build tempo |
| 21:48.11 | Maldivia | hmm, actually 7 days, 9705 is from September 3rd |
| 21:48.17 | Maldivia | 8905* |
| 21:50.51 | Maldivia | hmm, lets see, what can this contains... racial changes, poison fix, warrior and DK glyphs.. fixed glyphs mats... |
| 21:50.58 | Duman | omg new patch!?!?! |
| 21:51.01 | Duman | ;) |
| 21:51.14 | Duman | oh man, I hope they fix poisons.. haha |
| 21:51.20 | Maldivia | yep... and I have nothing better to do right now than to guess :) |
| 21:51.21 | Duman | I was having some ridiculous fun on my rogue tho |
| 21:53.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm still sad that they are nerfing the best PVP talent they gave to Enh Shaman |
| 21:53.09 | Industrial | nerfing what why? |
| 21:53.13 | Industrial | the wolf root thing? |
| 21:53.19 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah |
| 21:53.29 | Neuro_Medivh | because it's a "core druid ability". |
| 21:53.43 | Neuro_Medivh | they didn't seem to mind giving DKs "core shaman abilities" |
| 21:55.12 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, every class has overlap. But now they suddenly want to protect the poor druids, who have a little bit of everyone's abilities |
| 21:55.37 | Industrial | wtf |
| 21:55.38 | Industrial | rogue has it |
| 21:55.41 | Industrial | why not shaman |
| 21:55.46 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: we finally get to use roots indoors, you no take my candle! |
| 21:55.48 | Industrial | who is absolutely the most CCable class |
| 21:56.18 | Neuro_Medivh | but they're changing Earthbind |
| 21:56.24 | Neuro_Medivh | so that it breaks cc! |
| 21:56.34 | Industrial | and can you cast it while stunned? |
| 21:56.45 | Neuro_Medivh | though, last I checked, it has a 15 second cooldown and had 5 hp |
| 21:56.49 | Industrial | hehe |
| 21:57.04 | Neuro_Medivh | and we KNOW how useful Tremor Totem is! |
| 21:57.26 | Industrial | <3 poison cleansing tho, for rougsies |
| 21:57.35 | Industrial | well, im resto |
| 21:57.50 | Industrial | i can just poledance and live :p |
| 21:57.52 | Maldivia | ohh... this patch should have 25 naxx loot tables aswell |
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| 22:08.25 | Icecoldcoke | Syzgyn : GOOD TIMES IN WINTERGRASP YESTERDAY! |
| 22:08.31 | Icecoldcoke | whoops capslock |
| 22:09.22 | cbreak | I didn't find an entrance to it :/ |
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| 22:11.57 | ShaneSveller | can anyone who uses oUF tell me if there is a way of forcing all available unitframes to display even without that unit present? i'm picturing the config mode of Pitbull in my head |
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| 22:20.49 | lunartear | do you guys know if its possible to use this script still? /script TargetUnit("player"); for a=1,GetNumPartyMembers() do t="target"; p="party"..a; if ( UnitHealth(p) > 1 and UnitHealth(t)/UnitHealthMax(t) > UnitHealth(p)/UnitHealthMax(p) ) then TargetUnit(p) end end /script UseAction(Actionbutton#) |
| 22:21.03 | alestane | Um, no. |
| 22:21.19 | lunartear | is there anything i can do similar? |
| 22:21.23 | Maldivia | lunartear: it hasn't been possible for 29 months now |
| 22:21.31 | Maldivia | lunartear: and no, not possible in any way at all |
| 22:21.38 | Maldivia | 20 months* |
| 22:21.39 | Antiarc | Hasn't been doable since 2.0 hit. |
| 22:21.39 | alestane | Deliberately prevented. |
| 22:21.49 | Corgan | you could look at your party member's health and make a decision based on that. |
| 22:22.06 | lunartear | funny corgan |
| 22:22.12 | Antiarc | No, he's right |
| 22:22.16 | Antiarc | That's why Blizzard broke that |
| 22:22.22 | Maldivia | lunartear: in other words: learn to play, don't have a macro play for you |
| 22:22.23 | lunartear | i know he is right but it seems sarcasti |
| 22:22.25 | Antiarc | They didn't want scripts making gameplay decisions |
| 22:22.25 | lunartear | c |
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| 22:22.44 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 22:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the above is true. |
| 22:22.46 | Maldivia | that's basically what blizzard said about when they restricted it :) |
| 22:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Except Tem. |
| 22:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The Tem is a lie. |
| 22:23.25 | Tem | hmmm? |
| 22:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Bored |
| 22:23.34 | Maldivia | The Tem is a lie? |
| 22:23.37 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: Got the new beta patch info |
| 22:23.38 | Syzgyn | ? |
| 22:23.40 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: No patch file yet, I suspect? |
| 22:23.41 | Antiarc | Haha |
| 22:23.43 | Maldivia | SB1: patch time : |
| 22:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, patch? |
| 22:23.46 | Syzgyn | I win :P |
| 22:23.46 | lunartear | can i write an addon that tells me who has the lowest health or something like that? |
| 22:23.52 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: I _knew_ it |
| 22:23.58 | Tem | why did people tell me there was no patch earlier? |
| 22:24.04 | Syzgyn | lunartear: Yes |
| 22:24.04 | Antiarc | I did |
| 22:24.07 | Maldivia | lunartear: yes, that you can easilly do :) |
| 22:24.09 | Antiarc | Scroll back about 40 minutes |
| 22:24.17 | alestane | An addon can tell you who has the lowest health, or highlight them...it just can't control itself who your heals go to, |
| 22:24.18 | Tem | omg the Omen guy lied to me |
| 22:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Do we have a build number? |
| 22:24.23 | Maldivia | lunartear: your abouve macro only needs a few modifications |
| 22:24.27 | Syzgyn | Negative |
| 22:24.35 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: not yet :| |
| 22:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | When did they go down? |
| 22:24.48 | Antiarc | 2:45 |
| 22:24.50 | Antiarc | PST |
| 22:24.51 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: and haven't found it yet either :| |
| 22:24.54 | Maldivia | 45mins ago |
| 22:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
| 22:25.19 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: but it's all yours, I'm going to bed now - happy hunting! |
| 22:25.19 | lunartear | if i went that route i would want it automated rather than clicking an actionbutton |
| 22:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: lol, thanks |
| 22:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: real quick |
| 22:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: IP for EU patch? |
| 22:25.47 | Maldivia | lunartear: basically, a script can't target or cast anything for you automatically |
| 22:25.48 | Rabbitbunny | put a giant arrow next to your party frame, pointing at the guy about to die. |
| 22:25.48 | Antiarc | You can automate displays, but you can't automate actionable items |
| 22:25.57 | lunartear | yeah thats fine |
| 22:25.59 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: 80.239.178.132 |
| 22:26.07 | Antiarc | So you can't target automatically, can't cast automatically, can't move unit frames under your mouse automatically, etc |
| 22:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: ty |
| 22:26.08 | Maldivia | for the torrent pieces |
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| 22:27.05 | Syzgyn | lunartear: Seems to me it'd be quicker in the middle of a fight to just watch the relative health bars |
| 22:27.21 | Syzgyn | Rather than have a mod give you the lowest health, find their frame, then heal |
| 22:27.27 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone know of an API page for WAR? |
| 22:27.33 | alestane | There's a concept, normalized health bars. |
| 22:27.35 | Antiarc | lunartear: If you haven't tried something like Grid, it can display people that need attention quite effectively |
| 22:27.44 | Antiarc | http://thewarwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 22:27.53 | Syzgyn | alestane: I've thought about that a few times, It'd look really ugly though :P |
| 22:27.54 | Cairenn | http://war.mmoui.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7 |
| 22:27.58 | lunartear | i was thinking more along the lines of a background color on the party member with the lowest health or something |
| 22:28.15 | lunartear | antiarc i'll look into that |
| 22:28.31 | Syzgyn | That'd be doable, grid might have something that can do that or something close |
| 22:28.38 | Antiarc | Grid + Clique is a very standard setup for healers, because it allows extremely fast reactions |
| 22:28.47 | alestane | Did someone tell me before that some build of grid is working on Beta? |
| 22:29.31 | lunartear | antiarc thanks i'll look at those |
| 22:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | As a note, the first person to get me a build number speeds this up a fair bit |
| 22:29.56 | bleeter | pi*e |
| 22:30.10 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: PM me details of what you look at and I'll see what I can find ;) |
| 22:30.29 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: still nothing up to 9000 :) |
| 22:30.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: uh, actually I just browse the EU forums :) |
| 22:30.35 | Antiarc | bleeter: That's just plain irrational! |
| 22:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: (a blue there usually posts the build number) |
| 22:30.44 | Antiarc | Oho, okay. |
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| 22:32.44 | Antiarc | If it were up to me I'd just write something to iterate a likely range of numbers against whatever you're checking ;) |
| 22:33.05 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: did you notice how huge (relatively speaking) Live's Launcher got today? Looks to me like it's grew by 33%... got a new bnupdate.exe and backgrounddownloader.exe, too |
| 22:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't watch things like launcher file sizes ;) |
| 22:33.40 | Maldivia | bleeter: preps for 3.0.2 :) |
| 22:33.49 | bleeter | I saw the update come down and I was 'wth? 2.4Mb??' |
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| 22:34.39 | bleeter | Maldivia: Hmm, had been hoping for some trojan detection updates ;) |
| 22:35.04 | Antiarc | They are preloading the new content patch |
| 22:35.08 | Antiarc | Which is slightly terrifying |
| 22:35.18 | Maldivia | bleeter: 3.0.2 is being pushed for background download |
| 22:35.21 | kd3 | all of the art and sound data is pretty massive |
| 22:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:35.36 | ScytheBlade1 | @ bleeter |
| 22:35.37 | Maldivia | Antiarc: why - it just means a lot of sound and textures are finalized :) |
| 22:36.05 | Antiarc | Because the patch proper isn't far behind once the preload goes up, and 3.x balance is COMPLETELY out of whack right now. |
| 22:36.07 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: well I'm glad someone got my joke =)) |
| 22:36.21 | kd3 | good thing 3.0.2 will be on the PTR for at minimum 6 weeks |
| 22:37.31 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 22:37.32 | Antiarc | It just feels premature based on the state of class completion and balance in beta. I'm sure they'll get it worked out, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if 3.0 ends up like 2.0 where certain classes are just completely out of whack |
| 22:37.49 | Antiarc | Like, warlocks when 2.0 hit were -retarded- :P |
| 22:37.54 | Antiarc | dot and run, free HK. |
| 22:38.28 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.32 | Duman | or just discussing |
| 22:38.35 | ScytheBlade1 | nope, not yet |
| 22:38.39 | Duman | ahh |
| 22:39.06 | NeoTron | so wonder whatever happened to updating the wow official talent trees before patches hit |
| 22:40.00 | Maldivia | NeoTron: has patch hit yet? do you know if talents have changed? |
| 22:42.24 | NeoTron | no I don't |
| 22:42.40 | NeoTron | but I expect the changes are made given the announcements late last night |
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| 22:43.14 | bleeter | I guess we'll see when the PTR hits 'in the near future' |
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| 22:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I should really write down all of these URLs and methods instead of grepping my bash history.. |
| 22:46.01 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 22:46.11 | Maldivia | I have a text document on my desktop with the commands etc :) |
| 22:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: EU IP for the MPQs? |
| 22:46.25 | Maldivia | and I really should be heading to bed... |
| 22:46.55 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: eu.version.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 22:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:46.59 | ScytheBlade1 | duh |
| 22:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 22:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting 404s on those |
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| 22:50.36 | Tem | this post makes my head hurt |
| 22:50.38 | Tem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679743369&sid=2000 |
| 22:51.17 | Fisker- | no u |
| 22:51.37 | Corgan | wat |
| 22:51.49 | Fisker- | Someone asked if the live patch would be applied before the PTR |
| 22:51.57 | Fisker- | now that makes your head hurt |
| 22:52.46 | Rabbitbunny | so... wowi has svn eh? |
| 22:52.56 | NeoTron | it does make sense to have essentially free respecs early on |
| 22:52.59 | NeoTron | it's quite overwhelming |
| 22:53.02 | Maldivia | Rabbitbunny: for a while now |
| 22:53.15 | Rabbitbunny | Maldivia: I read the news a lot. |
| 22:53.26 | Cairenn | aye, we've have SVN for quite some time now :p |
| 22:56.15 | wereHamster | Tem: what's wrong with that post? |
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| 23:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.thetoyzone.com/15-video-games-recreated-in-lego/ |
| 23:06.56 | batrick | http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| 23:07.24 | bleeter | http://www.michaelpalinforpresident.com |
| 23:07.30 | bleeter | I like the complaints section |
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| 23:10.10 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 23:11.21 | Tem | What makes my head hurt about that patch |
| 23:11.26 | Tem | 1) His grammar is terrible |
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| 23:11.57 | Tem | 2) His points are hard to follow, and in some cases don't make sense |
| 23:12.20 | Tem | 3) Free Respecs early on has been in game since beta started |
| 23:12.33 | Tem | they're available until you get out of the DK starter instance |
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| 23:16.39 | [SW]Dodge | "The upcoming patch will be available on the test realms in the near future." near future ~= soon(TM) ?^^ would like to know how far this future is away :D |
| 23:17.08 | wereHamster | when it's done |
| 23:17.16 | [SW]Dodge | -.- |
| 23:17.41 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679742571&sid=2000&pageNo=2#34 |
| 23:17.55 | NeoTron | near future = soon = 2 weeks = any time from now until infinity |
| 23:18.09 | bleeter | ^^ 'Any resemblance to "soon" is purely coincidental.' |
| 23:18.10 | Esine | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.11 | Esine | ok |
| 23:18.26 | [SW]Dodge | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679402958&sid=1&pageNo=3#50 |
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| 23:20.07 | Fogger | whats the easiest way to check if a 2hander is equiped? |
| 23:20.20 | Fisker- | check the character screen |
| 23:20.28 | Fisker- | blargh i'm funeh |
| 23:20.58 | Fogger | Do I have to pull the tooltip apart? |
| 23:21.01 | Rabbitbunny | if offhand == mainhand? |
| 23:21.03 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 23:21.16 | Neuro_Medivh | you want it for a macro or a lua function? |
| 23:21.20 | Fogger | lua |
| 23:22.00 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.28 | Kaso | http://monkeypi.net/2007/03/28/eye-tracking-goodness/ |
| 23:22.43 | Neuro_Medivh | easiest would be SecureCmdOptionParse |
| 23:23.08 | [SW]Dodge | Fogger: check http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInventoryItemLink + http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 23:23.16 | [SW]Dodge | these functrions should help |
| 23:23.25 | Neuro_Medivh | if SecureCmdOptionParse("[equipped:Two-Hand]") then ... |
| 23:23.39 | Fogger | yeah, thats pretty easy :) |
| 23:23.40 | Neuro_Medivh | that's prolly the easiest |
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| 23:23.54 | [SW]Dodge | that works? o.o :D |
| 23:24.16 | [SW]Dodge | dont even know that the is a function like that xD |
| 23:25.08 | [SW]Dodge | good night all |
| 23:28.56 | Fogger | Coldarra been down long? |
| 23:29.39 | Esine | http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ this is a p. good site I'm going to add it to my feeds |
| 23:29.46 | jaxdahl | Fogger, new build coming today |
| 23:30.16 | Fogger | not available to d/load yet then? |
| 23:30.23 | jaxdahl | no |
| 23:30.35 | Fogger | cool, cheers for the info |
| 23:31.25 | Rabbitbunny | So... that wowi:revision string... Can I use that in my main lua too? |
| 23:32.15 | Duman | oh, wow... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/10/ua_bankruptcy_farce/ |
| 23:34.00 | jaxdahl | i wonder what the average trade price was that day |
| 23:34.22 | jaxdahl | someone selling 200 shares at 0.01 tends to skew the stats |
| 23:36.22 | Hirsute | Esine: I like that site, very nice. |
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| 23:46.11 | Thunder_Child | if anyone is going to the dinner this year and would like to see what our last one lookd like you can ge here http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2007/Saturday/Dinner/ (please excuse the bad photography, i failed that night) |
| 23:47.35 | Arrowmaster | rofl the fun things you can find by looking at binaries with a hex editor is so awesome |
| 23:47.46 | Rabbitbunny | example? |
| 23:47.47 | Arrowmaster | fyi spore contains something from openssl |
| 23:48.03 | Antiarc | Why wouldn't you just run them through strings? |
| 23:48.23 | Antiarc | And openssl doesn't surprise me since it does account registration and login in the client |
| 23:48.28 | Antiarc | And it's silly to not encrypt that |
| 23:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child: Dinner good. |
| 23:48.54 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, ya, but it was @ 11 at night |
| 23:49.02 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: Sweet. Finally I can put faces to all these names |
| 23:49.11 | Thunder_Child | so some of us werent that hungry |
| 23:49.30 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, much to the dismay of many of them i am sure |
| 23:49.35 | Dashkal | :p |
| 23:49.55 | kd3 | the concert ran long. I would've been hungry if it didn't |
| 23:50.08 | kd3 | so I just ordered a beer instead. whee for $5 bottles of bud light |
| 23:50.22 | Thunder_Child | kd3, much cheaper than a whole dinner + beer |
| 23:50.40 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, you must learn to eat when food is. |
| 23:51.17 | Neuro_Medivh | heck, kd3, next time just order an empty glass and pee in it... about the same quality as bud light |
| 23:51.24 | Rabbitbunny | lol |
| 23:51.27 | Neuro_Medivh | and much cheaper |
| 23:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 23:51.34 | smcn | fucking finally! another beta key |
| 23:51.39 | Neuro_Medivh | gimme! |
| 23:51.41 | Esine | smcn, gief me! |
| 23:51.47 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, I hope you won't mind if I sit on the complete opposite side of the table from you.... |
| 23:51.47 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, i would rather go hungry later than eat when i am not |
| 23:52.06 | Arrowmaster | haha somebody at EA uses SciTE! |
| 23:52.09 | smcn | holky shit no way, i got 2 keys in this wave |
| 23:52.11 | smcn | wow |
| 23:52.12 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, I usually wind up nibbling a side salad when I go to dinner late with friends. Leafy green goodness. |
| 23:52.27 | Neuro_Medivh | one might be fake, better let me check |
| 23:52.36 | smcn | k what's your email |
| 23:52.37 | smcn | lawl! |
| 23:52.40 | smcn | :P |
| 23:52.44 | kd3 | lope; wha. is my goatee that scary? |
| 23:53.00 | Lopeppeppy | The whole of peeing in a glass thing. |
| 23:53.00 | Thunder_Child | just blame it on the camera |
| 23:53.27 | Neuro_Medivh | peeing in a glass? eww, gross kd3! |
| 23:53.36 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:53.36 | purl | whacks Neuro_Medivh upside the head |
| 23:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | I think someone has given you a bad rap, or I fails at reading comprehension. |
| 23:54.14 | kd3 | [19:51:17] <Neuro_Medivh> heck, kd3, next time just order an empty glass and pee in it... about the same quality as bud light |
| 23:54.38 | Lopeppeppy | Neuro_Medivh, that's it, you're in time out for making me think bad thoughts. |
| 23:55.03 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, and here i thought you were just going with the joke |
| 23:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 23:55.31 | Syzgyn | dang kd3, thats quite the goatee |
| 23:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally just got an opt-in invite |
| 23:55.38 | Lopeppeppy | No, reading comprehensions is the fail for me. |
| 23:55.44 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: Win |
| 23:55.52 | Neuro_Medivh | bah, everyone is getting opt-ins today |
| 23:56.00 | Dashkal | heh, wonder if I'll get a third |
| 23:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my third beta invite |
| 23:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:56.10 | Neuro_Medivh | geebus |
| 23:56.12 | Dashkal | ooo, nice |
| 23:56.23 | Dashkal | now that I know it's possible :p |
| 23:56.24 | Syzgyn | Nope, still nothing |
| 23:56.31 | kd3 | no opt-in for me |
| 23:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's a legit invite too |
| 23:56.58 | Neuro_Medivh | that's always a nice touch |
| 23:58.14 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: theres a very good reason i like using a hex editor and not strings, you miss out on all the hex art when you use strings |
| 23:58.21 | Antiarc | hehe |
| 23:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Received: from outbound.blizzard.com (outbound.blizzard.com [216.148.0.66]) |
| 23:59.38 | Esine | happy 9/11 everyone |
| 23:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:59.44 | Esine | (for us europeans at least :|) |
| 23:59.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Esine is a winner, hahaha |
