| 00:00.07 | Tem|laptop | (as a dps or healer) |
| 00:00.12 | NeoTron | Tem|laptop: for AoE probably not since it's too hard to parse too much info |
| 00:00.27 | NeoTron | single target mobs, of course, need absolute values to be useful |
| 00:00.33 | NeoTron | but you can get that so it's not an issue |
| 00:00.33 | Tem|laptop | how? |
| 00:00.36 | Tem|laptop | why? |
| 00:00.47 | NeoTron | 1% at the end of the fight is infinitely higher than 1% at the beginning of the fight |
| 00:00.52 | Tem|laptop | why do you need exact numbers in a single target sittuation? |
| 00:01.00 | NeoTron | 1% at the end could be 20 shadow bolts, but at the beginning being 0.5 |
| 00:01.12 | Tem|laptop | meh |
| 00:01.22 | NeoTron | and it makes a large difference |
| 00:01.30 | NeoTron | unless they remove threat issue alltogether |
| 00:01.47 | Tem|laptop | if they remove threat, then tanking because HELLA boring |
| 00:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: in any case you should soul shatter when you're sitting at 99%/129%, arguing the value of that 1% is going to be REALLY hard for you to do here. |
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| 00:02.24 | NeoTron | nowadays you often need to basically be within a thin line of the tanks threat in some fights - Brutallus, Twins - heck felmyst too since you DPS her while she's in the air etc |
| 00:02.40 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: if I'm 10-20 shadow bolts away from pulling, no I shouldn't soul shatter |
| 00:02.49 | NeoTron | soul shatter too early and I will get right back up there |
| 00:03.20 | NeoTron | but as I said, single target threat will have exact numbers so it's ok |
| 00:03.33 | inviso | yeah, you kinda need a total and an estimate (in your mind) of fight length to judge your soul shatter properly. It has absolutely nothing to do with your current threat level relative to the tank and everything to do with the total amount of threat the tank has |
| 00:03.38 | NeoTron | UnitDetailedThreatSituation |
| 00:04.09 | NeoTron | it also means the "aggro warning" in omen is kind of useless (for the same reason) |
| 00:04.11 | WobWork | so basically, calculate how much 50% of your threat is worth in TankMinutes |
| 00:04.26 | inviso | The agro warning in omen reminds you it's time to slow down a bit |
| 00:04.29 | NeoTron | or just see "ok I'm within 3 shadow bolt crits, I'll hold for a second" |
| 00:04.40 | inviso | that |
| 00:04.58 | NeoTron | inviso: but later on it is too early, unless you make it too late early on |
| 00:05.01 | p3lim | Hm.. AceTab-2.0 |
| 00:05.12 | WobWork | Neotron and all tautologies are true? |
| 00:05.52 | NeoTron | WobWork: in this case, if you want to optimize DPS, you want to know your absolute difference (threat seconds away from pulling specifically). 0-100 is not high enough resolution, period. that is undoubtedly true |
| 00:06.20 | NeoTron | for AoE it's fine since it'd be impossible to process accuractely for 15 mobs anyway |
| 00:06.51 | WobWork | hehe, my comment was more on the "it's too early unless you make it too late" part of the statement =) |
| 00:07.12 | NeoTron | ok ok. :P |
| 00:07.35 | NeoTron | I'll surely make an "absolute threat warning" display |
| 00:07.50 | NeoTron | oh and another thing a threat meter can keep track of which you can't get from the API is TPS |
| 00:08.12 | NeoTron | ofc omen's TPS is sometimes negative so not a huge loss if that's gone >:-) |
| 00:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen Antiarc |
| 00:08.36 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (22h 46m 21s) #wowace (22h 46m 21s) #curseforge (22h 46m 21s). Has said a total of 87 messages. Is idling for 5m 20s, last said: 'awesome!'. |
| 00:08.36 | ccox | more like omen should fix the negatives |
| 00:08.41 | NeoTron | and I mean this in a multi-mob situation not a single target |
| 00:09.07 | alestane | What you can get in AoE situations: "There are no mobs for whom I have more absolute threat than anyone else"; "There is at least one mob for whom I have more absolute threat than anyone else, but he's not targeting me yet"; "At least one mob is targeting me, but there's another target who has more absolute threat against him" and "At least one mob is targeting me for whom I have the highest absolute threat". |
| 00:09.09 | NeoTron | ccox: true true |
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| 00:09.56 | NeoTron | ofc I am considering skipping my warlock for WotLK so I might not care at all about AoE stuff (except possible AoE tanking as a DK) |
| 00:10.21 | Tem|laptop | I hope warlocks aren't the aoe class in LK |
| 00:10.23 | NeoTron | and if all indications are true we'll end up with a much better threat meter "mage died, I'd better hold off my DPS" |
| 00:10.33 | NeoTron | since they will be doing better AoE |
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| 00:10.53 | Tem|laptop | in fact, the mage in me will be severely offended if mages can't do better aoe than locks in LK |
| 00:11.11 | NeoTron | Tem|laptop: blizzard has said mages will be better single target and aoe DPS than locks |
| 00:11.17 | Tem|laptop | but it doesn't really matter since I most likely won't be playing my mage |
| 00:11.22 | NeoTron | because locks have "more utility". never mind that mages also will be more utility |
| 00:11.27 | Neuro_Medivh | what you switching to, Tem? |
| 00:11.29 | kd3 | single-target? hopefully. aoe? planned, but meh |
| 00:11.42 | Tem|laptop | Neuro_Medivh, I have my druid and I plan to roll a DK |
| 00:12.04 | Lunessa | Tem is rocking the DK in beta anyway - and doing alright. |
| 00:12.07 | p3lim | help |
| 00:12.11 | Neuro_Medivh | I gave up my mage when BC opened, rerolled Ally Shaman... now I think I'll drop that for DK, Enh shaman is just getting weaker and weaker |
| 00:12.11 | Duman | woo |
| 00:12.13 | Tem|laptop | my druid was a feral tank, but I got tricked into being a raid healer |
| 00:12.14 | NeoTron | kd3: just blue comments - they want destro locks to with pet "almost" be as good dps mages, if they drop ALL raid utility talents (and sacced pets worse) |
| 00:12.18 | p3lim | what does the lua functio 'securecall' do? |
| 00:12.18 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336665205&pageNo=1&sid=2000#0 |
| 00:12.35 | p3lim | if(securecall('ChatEdit_CustomTabPressed')) then |
| 00:12.53 | Tem|laptop | securecall is a function to be called in secure code only |
| 00:12.54 | alestane | p3lim: Prevents user code that might have hooked the call from tainting the caller. |
| 00:12.58 | NeoTron | destro lock's raid utility (imp health) is ofc negated by a warrior's commanding shout |
| 00:13.02 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, wall of blue text |
| 00:13.03 | p3lim | k |
| 00:13.06 | Tem|laptop | it calls an insecure function without tainting the current execution path |
| 00:13.20 | Tem|laptop | I like to think that I DK tank pretty well without even having a taunt |
| 00:14.35 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, new DK unholy talent will be "Horn of Winter" |
| 00:14.47 | alestane | ?? |
| 00:15.13 | Neuro_Medivh | "Agility and Strength Buff: Strength of Earth Totem, Horn of Winter |
| 00:15.22 | p3lim | blizzard already has put in a tab complete system for slash-command functions |
| 00:15.31 | Neuro_Medivh | GC already said that DKs are getting a talent-based Str+Agi buff |
| 00:15.36 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.37 | Neuro_Medivh | for the unholy tree |
| 00:15.39 | NeoTron | wow CoR won't stack with Faery Fire |
| 00:15.43 | Neuro_Medivh | so it's apparently Horn of Winter |
| 00:15.43 | NeoTron | that means locks won't use CoR! |
| 00:16.14 | Dagmar | "Hunter's Mark: No longer increases attack power bonus from attacks against the target. " <-- eek |
| 00:16.31 | alestane | The y won't use CoR if they're just using it for the armor debuff and there's a druid using faerie fire. |
| 00:16.37 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, lots of mage/warlock changes |
| 00:17.15 | Tem|laptop | Neuro_Medivh, link? |
| 00:17.25 | Tem|laptop | or are they in the wall of jimmythenumbers? |
| 00:17.25 | Cide | aye |
| 00:17.26 | NeoTron | spell haste buff seems to be missing a 2nd one.. |
| 00:17.34 | Cide | you guys need to learn2link |
| 00:17.38 | Cide | it's the internet people |
| 00:17.42 | Neuro_Medivh | wall of Jimmy |
| 00:17.46 | Tem|laptop | k |
| 00:17.49 | Cide | and that is? |
| 00:17.50 | Tem|laptop | I can't really read it atm |
| 00:17.50 | Neuro_Medivh | Heroism: Cannot be recast while caster has Exhausted debuff, and those with Exhausted debuff cannot be affected by it. (Same for Bloodlust) |
| 00:17.52 | Tem|laptop | I'm in class |
| 00:17.58 | NeoTron | wow improved scorch and winter's chill don't stack.. which means you need at least one mage (not a bad thing but still) |
| 00:18.11 | Tem|laptop | YAY they broke chain lusting |
| 00:18.13 | Tem|laptop | that's awesome |
| 00:18.41 | Neuro_Medivh | wow: Tree of Life: No longer grants healing based on spirit, grants 3% increased healing received to raid. |
| 00:18.48 | NeoTron | so demonic pact doesn't stack which makes demo locks useless |
| 00:18.54 | Neuro_Medivh | is that a nerf or a buff? I don't know treeform |
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| 00:19.07 | Tem|laptop | Neuro_Medivh, that reads like a nerf to me |
| 00:19.13 | Tem|laptop | but it might not be |
| 00:19.19 | Duman | hmm, dunno |
| 00:19.29 | Tem|laptop | I have 800 buffed spirit |
| 00:19.31 | NeoTron | what i wonder is if they will make all the buffs/debuffs equivalent |
| 00:19.32 | alestane | No more synergy between locks and shadow priests makes me a little sad. |
| 00:19.34 | Neuro_Medivh | "Finally, we have modified Heroism and Bloodlust to affect the entire raid. However, all affected raid members will be unable to cast or benefit from Bloodlust/Heroism for 5 minutes. " |
| 00:19.46 | Tem|laptop | so I'm giving about 200 bonus healing to people with my aura |
| 00:19.51 | Neuro_Medivh | so, no need to take more than one shaman, ever |
| 00:19.51 | NeoTron | alestane: all locks will be fire anyway.. |
| 00:19.58 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17944 |
| 00:20.13 | Icecoldcoke | Neuro_Medivh: It was ridiculous taking 500 shaman for chain bloodlust. |
| 00:20.20 | Cide | "wall of jimmy"? what'd I miss? |
| 00:20.23 | Icecoldcoke | I'm a shaman and I think that the change was needed. |
| 00:20.32 | Tem|laptop | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336665205&pageNo=1&sid=2000#0 |
| 00:20.33 | inviso | Cide: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336665205&pageNo=1&sid=2000#0 |
| 00:20.35 | NeoTron | wow fel intelligence doesn't stack with AI or DS |
| 00:20.41 | Tem|laptop | good |
| 00:20.44 | Tem|laptop | fuck locks |
| 00:20.50 | NeoTron | which kind of removes affliction as a spec too |
| 00:20.52 | inviso | so much rage, little one |
| 00:21.01 | Neuro_Medivh | agreed, but why take an enh shaman now? You don't get their heroism/bloodlust, and DKs can do windfury/unleashed rage |
| 00:21.13 | alestane | Maybe you don't have a DK handy. |
| 00:21.16 | inviso | I think that's kinda the point |
| 00:21.42 | alestane | "We want players to be able to form raids and parties based on who they want to play with, rather than who has the correct talents and abilities to min-max their raid performance." |
| 00:21.54 | Dagmar | An admirable goal at any rate. |
| 00:21.55 | Neuro_Medivh | except they ARE going to min-max |
| 00:21.56 | Tem|laptop | Neuro_Medivh, to get both unleashed rage and wf, you have to have a really gimped spec |
| 00:22.07 | Tem|laptop | I don't expect any DK to have both |
| 00:22.10 | Lunessa | Holy shit - yes, yeS, yES, YES! |
| 00:22.13 | alestane | Hardcore raiders will continue to try and maximize their consitutions. |
| 00:22.26 | alestane | Lunessa: ?? |
| 00:22.41 | Lunessa | That post makes me happy as a guild leader of a non-hardcore bunch |
| 00:22.48 | inviso | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, I agree, but it means either DKs are redundant, or Enh shaman are... shrug, I just get sad when I see Enh go from being 1 in raid to "we don't need any, really" |
| 00:23.02 | Tem|laptop | I dislike the way dks keep overlapping with enh shamans |
| 00:23.11 | inviso | but you don't really lose much/anything by bringing one either |
| 00:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | "Spell Critical Strike Chance Debuff: Improved Scorch, Winter's Chill" |
| 00:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | So Scorch is now +crit |
| 00:23.34 | Tem|laptop | I can't completely replace an enh shaman |
| 00:23.40 | Tem|laptop | but they can completely replace my buffs |
| 00:23.51 | Lunessa | Wait, I don't understand the comment "to get both Windfury and Unleashed Rage you need a really gimped spec." |
| 00:23.53 | Tem|laptop | (except crypt fever, I guess) |
| 00:24.02 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, as a DK he means |
| 00:24.07 | Tem|laptop | Lunessa, the DK version of wf and ur |
| 00:24.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Icy Talons and Abom Might would require a funky blood/frost build |
| 00:24.24 | Lunessa | Tem, gotcha. I really need to play my DK more. |
| 00:24.37 | Tem|laptop | a /really/ funky blood/frost build |
| 00:24.38 | inviso | I think this is in line with the comment from Blizz earlier along the lines of --- You should be able to get all major buffs with 10 people. Fill the rest of your spots as you like or have people --- |
| 00:24.44 | Neuro_Medivh | and then, the SoE totem replacement "Horn of Winter" will be in unholy |
| 00:24.57 | Tem|laptop | yeah |
| 00:24.58 | Tem|laptop | so like |
| 00:25.02 | Tem|laptop | don't bring a DK |
| 00:25.03 | alestane | Lunessa: You forgot CoolFloat again. |
| 00:25.07 | Tem|laptop | bring an enh shaman instead |
| 00:25.15 | Lunessa | alestane: ~fail me. |
| 00:25.20 | inviso | Or just bring whichever one logged on? |
| 00:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm liking these changes as a whole |
| 00:25.32 | Neuro_Medivh | that's not how high end guilds work though |
| 00:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | His "table" is awesome |
| 00:25.41 | alestane | Bring whichever one you have someone who can play well. This rewards skill over ability selection. |
| 00:25.57 | inviso | right, I recognize that. It's going to be a boon for those of us that dredge the barrel though |
| 00:26.09 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: nah, they just stack leatherworkers =) |
| 00:26.15 | Neuro_Medivh | true |
| 00:26.18 | Lunessa | Yes. Exactly. See, at one time my guild had 15+ paladins. Guess how many were Ret? |
| 00:26.21 | NeoTron | wow they removed the raid benefit from Shadow Embrace |
| 00:26.31 | inviso | and high end raids will min/max regardless. This just makes it easier for guilds that can't seem to get the same 25 online each night, every night |
| 00:26.35 | NeoTron | talk about removing ALL raid utility from affliction locks |
| 00:26.46 | Neuro_Medivh | It's a sore subject with me, because for about 4 months me and the 'other' Enhance shaman in guild got rotated in for every kill, because we just didn't need 2 enh shaman |
| 00:27.00 | Neuro_Medivh | it was better to add another rogue than a second enh shaman |
| 00:27.15 | Lunessa | The point being I don't have to learn everyone's spec, I don't have to worry about forcing someone to go deep holy tree as a priest, etc. I can bring players to cover most everything without min/maxing each player. |
| 00:27.16 | inviso | It could turn out that difference isn't as substantial now though |
| 00:27.36 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, do you know if Maelstrom Weapon interrupts swing timer still? |
| 00:27.41 | inviso | ie, they may bring you along anyway 'cause the rogue isn't as good or is an annoying son of a .... |
| 00:27.52 | Wobin | NeoTron: weren't afflic locks worthless in wotlk anyway so far? |
| 00:28.01 | Tem|laptop | Neuro_Medivh, afaik, it still does |
| 00:28.06 | Tem|laptop | but that's something they want to go away |
| 00:28.11 | Neuro_Medivh | inviso, no, they would just boot that rogue and find a better one, cause the servers were stuffed with rogues |
| 00:28.22 | Tem|laptop | they also want to make WF less "mathy" which is funny to me |
| 00:28.24 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: It's been hard for me to tell, but I think it still does. I'm waiting for the build of the client that includes Spirit Wolves before reporting it again. |
| 00:28.29 | inviso | Neuro_Medivh: haha, that was worth a chuckle ;) |
| 00:28.30 | Tem|laptop | I liked the mathyness of wf |
| 00:28.38 | Duman | hmm, frost fever nerfed |
| 00:28.42 | Duman | melee reduction only |
| 00:28.47 | NeoTron | Wobin: they claimed they were worthless (well lower DPS) due to superior raid utility |
| 00:28.59 | NeoTron | now in a typical raid, any lock utility is outclassed by even a mage |
| 00:29.02 | Duman | wtb this new build @ now |
| 00:29.27 | Lunessa | For the first time in a long while I'm using non matched weapon speed weapons on my ehn shm. And I'm rocking the house. |
| 00:29.28 | Tem|laptop | good |
| 00:29.39 | inviso | Anyone toying with the idea of a heavy disc priest in a 25 man group? I wish Pain Suppression had a threat decrease/threat increase compenent based on if the person was a tank or not |
| 00:29.43 | Tem|laptop | Locks could do well living in the mage shadow for a few years |
| 00:29.55 | Tem|laptop | see how you like it |
| 00:30.01 | Arrowmaster | we did |
| 00:30.27 | Arrowmaster | preTBC |
| 00:30.38 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, I have an Enh shaman (t5-6 gear) and a DK (lvl 73) on the beta, and sadly the DK has an easier/faster time leveling in northrend than the shaman |
| 00:30.45 | Tem|laptop | locks kicked mages ass from like 1.4 on |
| 00:30.48 | Neuro_Medivh | cause he has no downtime |
| 00:31.44 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: I'm having a few problems with soloing. But really I can chew through most anything. I have even "tanked" some elites a level or two lower. |
| 00:32.04 | Lunessa | Basically, it was gear holding me back until 78. |
| 00:32.30 | Neuro_Medivh | well, I havent' replaced anything on my shaman yet, but he's only 72 |
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| 00:33.40 | NeoTron | Tem|laptop: you seem to forget pre-bc |
| 00:33.57 | Tem|laptop | I remember being unable to kill a lock until I was in t3 gear |
| 00:34.04 | Tem|laptop | (and he was in t1 or worse) |
| 00:34.07 | NeoTron | wtf does that have to do with anything? |
| 00:34.17 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: I was in mostly T4/Badge gear and Dragonstrikes. |
| 00:34.18 | NeoTron | this shit doesn't really affect pvp |
| 00:34.19 | Tem|laptop | it explains my hatred of warlocks? |
| 00:34.21 | NeoTron | it's pve balancing |
| 00:34.29 | NeoTron | just because you suck at mage? :P |
| 00:34.34 | Tem|laptop | I have zero sympathy for warlocks because of my pain in pvp |
| 00:34.48 | Tem|laptop | and in tbc, they've done better in pve as well |
| 00:34.54 | Tem|laptop | further solidifying my position |
| 00:34.55 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: You're in Austin? |
| 00:35.39 | NeoTron | Tem|laptop: I shall then ignore your ignorance and move on |
| 00:35.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa: Dallas |
| 00:36.19 | Lunessa | If Gustav hits Galveston, I might be heading to Austin. |
| 00:36.45 | Duman | man, the (re)balancing act blizzard is doing will be interesting |
| 00:36.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Galveston has Sea Wall! It shall protect you! |
| 00:36.51 | Tem|laptop | if gustav is c3 or less I wouldn't bother |
| 00:36.56 | Duman | I'm sure there will be a huge shitstorm once the PTR is up |
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| 00:37.23 | Wobin | Duman: cat3 shitstorm? =) |
| 00:37.28 | Duman | at least |
| 00:37.34 | Lunessa | Haha... I live 2 blocks from the water. If it's Cat 3 or better I'll be without power/internet |
| 00:37.53 | Wobin | that's a lotta poop |
| 00:38.16 | Lunessa | And the Seawall won't help me at all. |
| 00:38.28 | Thunder_Child | unless it's made of depends |
| 00:38.41 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, but think of the waves! Galveston will have real, surfable waves for a few hours at least! |
| 00:38.52 | Wobin | I thought Depends was only for bladder control |
| 00:39.10 | Thunder_Child | i always assumed it was for everything |
| 00:39.18 | Lunessa | Wait.. if it had really good waves I might surf for a bit. |
| 00:39.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Wobin, it's also for sporting events and driving across country to kill your boyfriend's new woman |
| 00:39.43 | Wobin | So, much like tampons then |
| 00:39.49 | Lunessa | Haha... That story was so big here. |
| 00:40.02 | Neuro_Medivh | it was big everywhere Lunessa =) |
| 00:40.10 | ccox | THey're already pulling a lot of national guardsmen down to the gulf shore (brother got called up yesterday) |
| 00:40.14 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, dont tell us something we would have to go to court about |
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| 00:40.58 | Neuro_Medivh | TC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak |
| 00:41.01 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: At the time I was living less than a mile from NASA:JSC, and I work around the corner. EVERYONE, in EVERY PLACE locally was talking about it constantly. |
| 00:41.05 | ccox | (apparently someone doesn't want to be unprepared, like a previous hurricane...) |
| 00:41.24 | Dagmar | Un-prepared? |
| 00:41.39 | Dagmar | More like "There's people who aren't poor there. We should do something." |
| 00:41.52 | ccox | you know, like "too little, too late" |
| 00:42.00 | Dagmar | I mean, unprepared doesn't even figure into it when the _mexican army_ gets there first. |
| 00:42.17 | Dagmar | It's just plain sitting on your hands. |
| 00:42.23 | ccox | Dagmar - ok, so I'm understating it a bit for sarcastic effect.... |
| 00:42.46 | Lunessa | Heh... You know who doesn't take any blame and should? Mayor Nagan... the man who said "we can just ride it out." |
| 00:42.50 | ccox | (I *used* to have family in Pass Christian) |
| 00:43.02 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: Well.. when you really gotta get where you really gotta go, then you really canna go when you really gotta go |
| 00:43.20 | Wobin | so... Depends =) |
| 00:44.11 | Thunder_Child | that had better not be a pun Wobin |
| 00:44.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Say what you want, but that lady had a plan |
| 00:46.01 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: no? no puns in that one =P |
| 00:46.44 | Thunder_Child | puns were outlawed by the second geneva convention |
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| 00:47.20 | Wobin | oh the huge manatee |
| 00:48.02 | Thunder_Child | i wish i was to dumb to get puns |
| 00:49.11 | Lunessa | Ok, foods time. |
| 00:49.11 | Lunessa | back soon. |
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| 01:07.09 | Thunder_Child | glass canon != good soloing |
| 01:08.25 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336665205&sid=2000 |
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| 01:22.56 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 01:23.49 | Neuro_Medivh | World Server, you're so naughty |
| 01:24.05 | Thunder_Child | rather frustrating to try to play a game that keeps crashing |
| 01:25.29 | Mera | servers cost money and blizzard has no money :p |
| 01:25.44 | Thunder_Child | ya, like that one is going to fly |
| 01:26.12 | Mera | strange they have so few servers to text so big expantion |
| 01:26.18 | Mera | test* |
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| 01:30.25 | ccox | they want to stress test them - and you do that by loading a LOT of players on the server |
| 01:30.41 | Thunder_Child | they open up the beta when they want to stress test |
| 01:31.31 | kd3 | opt-ins == stress test |
| 01:31.58 | kd3 | and I'm still surprised at how unimplemented inscription is... 11 whole recipes right now |
| 01:32.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Inscription_recipes |
| 01:33.38 | Thunder_Child | it's ok because as wel all know, blizz doesnt to eta's |
| 01:33.50 | Thunder_Child | we* do* |
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| 01:41.28 | Tem | Nexus, anybody? |
| 01:43.11 | Thunder_Child | i will |
| 01:45.42 | Tem | Nexus group short a dps and a healer |
| 01:45.44 | Tem | any takers? |
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| 01:50.26 | Lunessa | I has returned |
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| 01:51.11 | Lunessa | Sorry Tem, still at work. |
| 01:51.32 | Tem | no worries, Lunessa, we got it going |
| 01:51.40 | Lunessa | ok |
| 01:53.51 | kd3 | ho... the raid stacking change is going live in 3.0.2 too |
| 01:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And talent trees, so.. |
| 01:54.14 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336795321&sid=1 |
| 01:56.11 | Shirik | wheee, atlassian approved my license |
| 01:56.18 | Shirik | <3 free software |
| 02:00.44 | Dashkal | kd3: Zarhym just edited the title to remove the 3.0.2 bit |
| 02:00.58 | kd3 | bah |
| 02:01.46 | Wobin | hehe I love my friends |
| 02:01.48 | Wobin | "Things I have said out loud that I probably shouldn't have in the last twenty four hours: |
| 02:01.49 | Wobin | " |
| 02:01.56 | Wobin | "Sorry for eating during this meeting, except if I don't get my blood sugar level up I am going to start decapitating people" |
| 02:01.56 | Wobin | "The only thing that went ok today is the fact I am not currently on fire" |
| 02:02.31 | Wobin | and this is how she talks normally =) |
| 02:02.51 | Wobin | but as she works in a bank, she tends to filter better at work |
| 02:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | "Stop drooling on my shoes, I'm twice your age. Go do something." |
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| 02:03.40 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: talking to the dog? |
| 02:04.38 | Shirik | oh great and wise linux gurus, I have another wonderful question for you |
| 02:04.57 | Shirik | I need to copy a bunch of files from one place to another (please let me finish, I know about cp...) |
| 02:05.17 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin -- freshmen hitting on me. |
| 02:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | rsync |
| 02:05.40 | Shirik | these files are named something like ntox86-ld, ntox86-cc, etc. There are ALSO certain files like ntoarm-ld that I do NOT want to copy |
| 02:05.46 | Shirik | so obviously I can locate them with ntox86-* |
| 02:06.14 | Shirik | I need to copy them to another folder with the name x86-unknown-nto-qnx6.3.0-* |
| 02:06.22 | Shirik | now |
| 02:06.26 | Shirik | how does that translation take place? |
| 02:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | man rename |
| 02:06.36 | Shirik | or does it not easily? |
| 02:06.57 | Shirik | man cp? |
| 02:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 02:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | najentu |
| 02:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | s |
| 02:07.29 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | bash-2.05a# man cp |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | No manual entry for cp |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | bash-2.05a# man rename |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | No manual entry for rename |
| 02:07.38 | Dashkal | cp -r and the flag to just copy even special files should help. rsync could do it as well. |
| 02:07.47 | Dashkal | cp --help |
| 02:07.49 | Shirik | rsync will not go over so well |
| 02:08.08 | Dashkal | in a real pinch you could tar the sucker and untar it |
| 02:08.23 | Shirik | the real issue comes into play with the change of name |
| 02:08.27 | Shirik | that's the problem |
| 02:08.36 | Shirik | it's even worse when you realize you're actually copying into the same folder |
| 02:08.45 | Dagmar | So either use patternmatching to get all the files with *x86* in them or write a small shell script and learn to use the %% operator on strings |
| 02:08.47 | Dashkal | rename is your friend then |
| 02:08.58 | Shirik | but I don't want to rename :( |
| 02:09.39 | Shirik | I basically want to cp ./ntox86-ranlib-2.17 ./x86-unknown-nto-qnx6.3.0-ranlib |
| 02:09.47 | Shirik | for every instance of ./ntox86-<some name>-2.17 |
| 02:09.54 | Dashkal | so if I get this right you're copying a pile of files from a directory into that same directory with a mangled name? |
| 02:10.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:10.14 | Dagmar | Write a small shell script |
| 02:10.23 | Shirik | I was afraid it might come to that |
| 02:10.26 | Dashkal | I do that with one-line shell scripts and perl to do the mangling |
| 02:10.31 | Shirik | I was hoping there was some bash magic I could do. k :) thanks |
| 02:10.38 | Dagmar | There is. |
| 02:10.39 | Dashkal | $() is your friend :p |
| 02:10.55 | Shirik | hm, not familiar with that. Google come to me! |
| 02:11.06 | Dagmar | Meh the bash manpage explains plenny |
| 02:11.11 | Dashkal | for file in * do; cp $file $(perl -e 's/foo/bar/; print $_'); done |
| 02:11.14 | Dagmar | It's just longcat-long |
| 02:11.20 | Dashkal | $() is the same as backticks |
| 02:11.36 | Dashkal | missed sometihng ther |
| 02:11.40 | Dagmar | Dashkal: You know, there IS sed. |
| 02:11.41 | Dashkal | echo $file | perl |
| 02:11.43 | Shirik | oh ok |
| 02:11.47 | Dashkal | Dagmar: I never learned sed :p |
| 02:11.52 | Dagmar | Yes you did |
| 02:11.57 | Dagmar | You just didn't realize it |
| 02:11.59 | Dashkal | seriously, never used the tool |
| 02:12.04 | Shirik | brb, sorry |
| 02:12.05 | Wobin | longcat-is-long? |
| 02:12.06 | Dagmar | sed 's/foo/bar/;' |
| 02:12.12 | Dagmar | Look a bit familiar to you? |
| 02:12.15 | Dagmar | Heheh |
| 02:12.51 | Dashkal | for file in * do; cp $file $(echo $file | sed 's/foo/bar/;'); done |
| 02:12.56 | Dashkal | I |
| 02:13.14 | Dashkal | I've used that construct more than once before I learned about rename |
| 02:13.48 | Dagmar | I've written thousands of lines of bash scripting in the last few years |
| 02:14.17 | Dashkal | I hate bash so much. The moment the task needs a script I use python or just code the logic into whatever app I'm working on |
| 02:14.36 | Dagmar | I do a lot of package management. |
| 02:14.42 | Dashkal | hate due to lack of working knowledge more than any real fault in the shell |
| 02:14.48 | Shirik | so let me see here |
| 02:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, I have a sec now |
| 02:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly are you doing? |
| 02:15.12 | Dagmar | That's okay it was never meant for major project. |
| 02:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 02:15.21 | Dagmar | er projects. It's just gotten a little out of control. |
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| 02:16.21 | Shirik | for sed, I can use regexes? |
| 02:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.17 | Shirik | for file in `ls ntox86-*-2.17` do; cp $file $(echo $file | sed 's/ntox86\-([^\-]+)\-2.1.7/x86\-unknown\-nto\-qnx6.3.0\-\2/;'); done |
| 02:17.19 | Shirik | that look right? |
| 02:17.50 | Dagmar | Man don't ask us |
| 02:17.58 | Shirik | try it and watch things blow up :P |
| 02:18.04 | Dagmar | Change the thing so it just does *echo* instead of actually copying files |
| 02:18.10 | Shirik | thats what I was about to do :) |
| 02:18.10 | Dagmar | Run that, look at the list it spits out. |
| 02:18.27 | Dagmar | You'd be insane to even run it after just asking *yourself* if it looks right |
| 02:18.34 | Shirik | psh |
| 02:18.37 | Shirik | Ask ScytheBlade1 I'm insane |
| 02:18.52 | Shirik | this is the third day in a row I'll be at school until midnight |
| 02:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That sucks :( |
| 02:20.27 | Shirik | hrm |
| 02:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik plays with ebola in a petrie dish. |
| 02:21.50 | Wobin | Hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:21.54 | Wobin | Is shirik insane? |
| 02:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | y |
| 02:23.22 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: it's fun |
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| 02:24.50 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I love you just the way you are, with all those cute melted fingers and extra arms.... |
| 02:24.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wait, I think I'm confusing you with Doc Oc, nevermind.... |
| 02:25.15 | Wobin | "I love you wheelchair Rebecca, even if you -are- a gimp!" |
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| 02:28.03 | Daranie | Hello. |
| 02:29.29 | Daranie | Is everyone shy but me? =) |
| 02:29.44 | Dagmar | Welcome to IRC. |
| 02:29.50 | Dagmar | Talking is feast-or-famine here. |
| 02:30.02 | Daranie | Ah. :) |
| 02:31.51 | Shirik | oi |
| 02:31.52 | Lunessa | Is there a pool on how quickly Jimmythenumbers post will hit max size? |
| 02:31.54 | Shirik | sed does noot have PCRE :( |
| 02:32.09 | kd3 | probably not as quickly as the live-side version of that post will... |
| 02:32.42 | Lunessa | Heh |
| 02:38.33 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's why you have pcre |
| 02:39.02 | Dagmar | Shirik: ...although I thought newer sed could link that in (by popular request, IIRC), Check yer man pages |
| 02:39.41 | Dagmar | Anyway, if you know perl regexp, sed regexp differences don't take very long to figure out |
| 02:40.17 | Shirik | no need, Dagmar :) |
| 02:40.20 | Shirik | Already figured it out |
| 02:40.22 | Shirik | bash-2.05a# for file in `ls ntox86-*-2.17`; do cp -f $file `echo $file | sed 's/ntox86\-\([^-]*\)\-2.17/x86-unknown-nto-qnx6.3.0-\1/g'`; done |
| 02:40.23 | Shirik | ^ win |
| 02:40.29 | Shirik | and thanks :) |
| 02:41.31 | Shirik | now the REAL question |
| 02:41.34 | Shirik | did this solve my problem... |
| 02:41.56 | Dagmar | Hint, you don't need to ls there |
| 02:42.03 | Shirik | no? |
| 02:42.06 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 02:42.11 | Dagmar | Remember, you're typing into bash. |
| 02:42.12 | Shirik | oh well, it worked ^_^ |
| 02:42.21 | Dagmar | It will expand '*' stuff all by itself. |
| 02:42.34 | Shirik | qconn |
| 02:43.32 | Shirik | nope, n better |
| 02:43.34 | Shirik | sigh... |
| 02:43.51 | Shirik | I wish I could just delete everything remotely related to GCC 2.95 |
| 02:44.05 | Shirik | but I'm afraid of breaking things |
| 02:44.10 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.17 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 02:44.23 | Dagmar | Why do you still have that old-ass version anyway? |
| 02:45.27 | Kaso | i wrote a bigass xargs script to rm a bunch of files based on particular parameters last night, i then ran it and deleted 14gb of files, it occurred to me then that i prob should've had a dry run without rm first. |
| 02:45.34 | Dagmar | lol |
| 02:45.38 | Shirik | Dagmar: It's for QNX |
| 02:45.42 | Shirik | QNX default compiler is 2.95 |
| 02:45.50 | Kaso | luckly it worked as i intended, but that was mostly fluke i think. |
| 02:45.52 | Shirik | I'm not actually on Linux, I just happen to have the GNU tools |
| 02:45.56 | Dagmar | OKay, and you hate your computer this much why? |
| 02:46.08 | Shirik | It's not a computer |
| 02:46.16 | Shirik | Unless you consider anything with a processor a computer |
| 02:46.21 | Shirik | in which case I guess it is a computer |
| 02:46.34 | Lopeppeppy | Petrie dish /= computer. :) |
| 02:46.37 | Dagmar | Typically we stick the word 'embedded' in first, but yes |
| 02:46.39 | Lunessa | ~fishslap Shirik |
| 02:46.40 | purl | ACTION slaps Shirik up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:47.12 | Dagmar | ...sometimes the phrase 'scrawny-assed' too |
| 02:47.45 | Dagmar | I have a little ActionTek router here I use. It's 16Mb and some chipset I can't even remember at the moment, but I have it, and it's a computer. |
| 02:48.40 | Shirik | Dagmar: I wouldn't call an embedded system a computer |
| 02:48.43 | Shirik | I would call it an embedded system |
| 02:48.54 | Dagmar | If you're running bash on it, either you're crazy or it's a computer. |
| 02:49.00 | Wobin | Shirik: what about Spade? |
| 02:49.03 | Dagmar | bash == LARD |
| 02:49.09 | Wobin | would you call it a Spade? |
| 02:49.32 | Shirik | Dagmar: I'm also on IRC on it :) |
| 02:49.44 | Shirik | But actually, that's just because my development enviroment has a photon installation |
| 02:49.47 | Shirik | It won't soon enough |
| 02:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, peoples. Enjoy your not-computers, I'm going to bed. :) |
| 02:50.26 | Shirik | noo |
| 02:50.29 | Shirik | stay with us :< |
| 02:50.31 | Tekkub | warlock question! |
| 02:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | ... not until the convention, Shirik. then I can't escape! For now... sleeps. |
| 02:50.49 | Tekkub | Soul Link, do you have to target your pet and cast, or does it route automatically? |
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| 02:51.36 | Dagmar | It only works on the pet |
| 02:51.49 | Tekkub | so no matter how you cast it it routes? |
| 02:51.59 | Dagmar | IIRC yeah |
| 02:52.32 | Dagmar | Wow. Wowhead already has it listed as "16% of base mana" |
| 02:52.51 | Shirik | oh my |
| 02:52.54 | Shirik | I think I just found my problem |
| 02:53.05 | Shirik | If this just wasted 3 days of my life I will be so angry |
| 02:53.17 | ccox | electrolytic in backwards? |
| 02:53.26 | Shirik | The makefile generated by the wizard doesn't actually use the options you supply to linker in config window.... |
| 02:53.44 | ccox | oh, something simple |
| 02:53.51 | Dagmar | Tekkub: I haven't seen any spell in the game that was valid for one and only one target that you _actually_ had to target something for it to do it's thing |
| 02:54.01 | Dagmar | I like to think they're being nice to us like that |
| 02:54.11 | Tekkub | yea same here, just wanted confirmation :P |
| 02:54.26 | Tekkub | as my lock is a whole lvl 18 |
| 02:54.40 | ccox | heh, mines stopped at 28, twinking |
| 02:54.48 | Dagmar | Wait till you get the fireball and figure out how to cast it for free. :) |
| 02:54.57 | Lunessa | Tekkub: It's a self buff |
| 02:55.02 | Dagmar | Affliction-only leveling perk |
| 02:55.13 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 02:55.19 | Tekkub | Lunessa, but the actual buff lands on the pet, not the player, right? |
| 02:55.25 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what? |
| 02:55.28 | Lunessa | Both |
| 02:55.42 | Tekkub | okey |
| 02:55.54 | Lunessa | When I use it on my lock, I have a buff, not the pet. |
| 02:56.00 | Tekkub | well the pet has to be out anyway, so I can't just use the self-buff template directly |
| 02:56.08 | Lunessa | Which is a more accurate way of putting it. |
| 02:56.24 | Dagmar | If you want an explanation, you'll have to pardon that I don't give much of a damn what they name the skills, but it's like this |
| 02:56.34 | Tekkub | but does the pet have a buff I can query with UnitAura? |
| 02:56.41 | Dagmar | ...as affliction you get an ability that gives you back mana when you get the kill while the purple beam is on, right? |
| 02:56.53 | Dagmar | ...you also have a fireball spell that costs a soul stone to cast. |
| 02:57.00 | Lunessa | Tekkub: ... Now I have to go look, damn you. And I'm at work. :P |
| 02:57.06 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 02:57.14 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: soulfire, which has a 1 min cooldown |
| 02:57.15 | Dagmar | So you freakin fire off the six second casting fireball spell, and as it launches, click for the purple beam (soul drain, IIRC) |
| 02:57.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So useable about every other fight soloing |
| 02:57.36 | Lunessa | Soulfire is the suck. |
| 02:57.38 | Tekkub | fireball, beam... 5-sec warlock primer |
| 02:57.54 | Dagmar | Ya wind up with a net gain of mana |
| 02:57.59 | smcn | just make sure the fireball doesn't cross the beam ;) |
| 02:58.21 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: or you can just kill shit normally and get a net gain of mana |
| 02:58.22 | Tekkub | what if the fireball follows the beam, but the beam dissappears before the fireball gets there |
| 02:58.28 | Tekkub | does the fireball dissapear too? |
| 02:58.39 | Dagmar | You've got to be pulling my leg |
| 02:58.40 | Tekkub | schrodenger's warlockfireballbeam |
| 02:59.14 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: if i respeced afflicion i could solo and end every fight with full health and mana |
| 02:59.21 | Dagmar | Unless someone's on Hughesnet or something they should have no problems getting Soul Drain to land in between the fireball taking off and hititng the target |
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| 02:59.44 | Wobin | or in australia? |
| 02:59.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I think that's generally the idea. Who the hell does that tho |
| 03:00.04 | Dagmar | I prefer to avoid probelms by running into the middle of a camp and using the AoE Fear. |
| 03:00.08 | Dagmar | More excitement that way |
| 03:00.11 | Tekkub | my god what have I done |
| 03:00.16 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: pvp server |
| 03:00.31 | kd3 | whuh? |
| 03:00.46 | kd3 | and 23:00... let's see the latest hurricane update for gustav |
| 03:01.26 | Wobin | kd3: still on a one minute cooldown =) |
| 03:02.57 | Dagmar | ...since some of you probably think I've lost my mind, the point of deliberately creating a bad situation on a regular basis means you damn well know what to do when something goes wrong all by itself. |
| 03:03.45 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/28/funny-pictures-of-your-new-kitchen-design-neglects-to-take-into-account-the-fact-that-i-need-to-eat/ |
| 03:04.44 | Lunessa | I'm still in a high-probabuility landing zone for gustav. *sigh* |
| 03:05.19 | Ackis | were achievements reset on beta yet? |
| 03:06.03 | Dagmar | Lunessa: So, North America someplace? |
| 03:06.14 | Lunessa | Galveston Island. |
| 03:06.59 | Dagmar | You might want to hit up the store for some really big plastic bags and waterproof tape then |
| 03:07.29 | smcn | ackis: nope, my dk still has the level 80 one :P |
| 03:08.00 | Dagmar | I'm way inland, so all it means to me is more pointless rain that makes me have to drive the car to work |
| 03:08.13 | kd3 | ach reset isn't gonna happen until the patch |
| 03:08.39 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Verified - Soul Link buff is on both units. |
| 03:08.39 | kd3 | meh, the entire gulf coast stands an equal chance right now. predictions 5 days out are way off and the NHC even says so |
| 03:09.02 | smcn | they said it was going to be reset during maintenance today which i don't believe happened, and then in the next patch they were re-adding certain achievements that are based on quests, like boss kills and such |
| 03:09.03 | Tekkub | domo, since I have to track the pet's existence, I'll just track the buff on it also |
| 03:09.23 | Tekkub | Lunessa, should I bother with Detect Invis, does anyone ever use it? |
| 03:09.39 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Yeah, it gets used. |
| 03:09.40 | smcn | tek: in kara... ;P |
| 03:09.45 | Tekkub | okey |
| 03:09.57 | Dagmar | Stupid invisible succubi-lookin' things |
| 03:10.02 | Tekkub | blanket the entire raid with it usually when it is used? |
| 03:10.05 | smcn | oh yeah arcatraz |
| 03:10.16 | smcn | screw that room srsly ;( |
| 03:10.19 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I think I'll pack a bag and head inland on Sunday. |
| 03:10.28 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Good plan |
| 03:10.45 | Wobin | Lunessa: you could swim there! |
| 03:10.45 | Dagmar | Still, it'd be worth putitng hte important stuff you're leaving behind in big garbage bags |
| 03:10.50 | Lunessa | This is the first year I've lived this close to the water for a major hurricane. |
| 03:11.06 | Dagmar | smcn: It's loads of fun when you're a hunter running up to pop off flare |
| 03:11.23 | Lunessa | I'm on the third floor. I'll seal the windows and hope for the best. |
| 03:11.26 | Wobin | hates that room, precoius |
| 03:11.27 | Dagmar | "OMGWTF*whapwhapwhapwhap*getitoffme!*whapwhap*" |
| 03:11.35 | Wobin | pft, FD ftw |
| 03:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost every single poster in the raid buffs change thread on general doesn't understand it |
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| 03:14.30 | Dagmar | I think they'll probably all be a bit happier when they see it in action, other than the usual "We despise change" people |
| 03:14.50 | ScytheBlade1 | " Wow....what's the point of surv hunters at ALL now?" |
| 03:14.53 | Dagmar | Looks a bit like they're e-z-mode-ing buggs |
| 03:14.59 | Dagmar | s/buggs/buffs/;l |
| 03:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | " Well, there goes the shadow priest. It was fun while it lasted. They managed to take the best parts of raid utility (misery damage, shadow weaving w/ the warlocks, mana battery that scales w/ damage) and gutted them. " |
| 03:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
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| 03:15.22 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: huh? |
| 03:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336795321&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 03:15.33 | Dagmar | Yeah, people QQing because they'll have to come up with new ways to do things |
| 03:15.41 | Wobin | well. for the high end minmax guilds, they're kinda right, no? |
| 03:16.06 | kd3 | dag; http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023610738&sid=2000&pageNo=5#80 response #4 |
| 03:16.50 | Wobin | they're the ones that will take the ultimately optimum configuration of buff application players |
| 03:17.00 | Wobin | then fill in the rest with what they need for the encounter |
| 03:17.01 | Dagmar | kd3: Well, in this *one* case I have no problem with it being simplified |
| 03:17.01 | smcn | wobin: the directions they're going are going to make it a lot easier on high-end guilds as well. no more, "we can't do boss y tonight because we don't have class x". of course there is still going to be min/maxing, that's not what blizz is trying to fix |
| 03:17.02 | Ackis | ScytheBlade1: what happened to SP? |
| 03:17.06 | Dagmar | I used to play EQ. |
| 03:17.18 | Dagmar | The extremes you had to change the toons to raid there were crazy. |
| 03:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: read the first page in that thread, it gives a pretty detailed list |
| 03:17.41 | Wobin | smcn: oh absolutely |
| 03:17.43 | Dagmar | Some of the classes, in all honesty, had to be so specially purpose tooled they might be unable to _breathe_ without assistance after a fight |
| 03:17.57 | Dagmar | Screw that |
| 03:17.59 | Wobin | but if you're asking about "what can -I- contribute to my raid, that isn't already being contributed?" |
| 03:18.20 | Wobin | this list might make you nervous about your placement in the raid |
| 03:18.38 | Dagmar | I think there's a lot of QQ'ing because suddenly, the thing that got kids into raids by just pushing _one or two buttons every ten minutes_ is no longer going to cut it |
| 03:18.48 | Wobin | Dagmar: pretty much, yeah |
| 03:19.02 | Dagmar | They'll have to actually pay attention and know what they're doing and be able to make judgement calls quickly or everyone will know they're just an idiot with a high-priced computer. |
| 03:19.15 | smcn | well, thankfully my main is a healer so i don't really have that problem, but imo this will make it easier for dps classes to find guilds, and for new guilds to be formed |
| 03:19.17 | Dagmar | I'm all *about* that kind of stuff |
| 03:19.21 | Wobin | it's less about overall raid contribution due to a particular buff, and more about play level |
| 03:19.58 | smcn | if a guild is going to cut someone because they have enough slots for whatever buff/debuff they bring, it won't necessarily be hard for them to find another guild |
| 03:20.09 | Wobin | that's not always a good thing though |
| 03:20.13 | Wobin | I join guilds for social reason |
| 03:20.15 | Wobin | not for raiding reasons |
| 03:20.17 | Dagmar | That's a lame basis for bringing them in the first place tho |
| 03:20.23 | smcn | but like blizz says, this is about making guilds want to bring a player not a class |
| 03:20.43 | Dagmar | "He might be *driving* the short bus to school, but he can cast 'X' without screwing it up. Bring him." |
| 03:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And I really hope that works out |
| 03:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 03:21.03 | Wobin | if I can't play my X style toon because my functionality is replcaed by other people, I don't particularly want to change guilds |
| 03:21.13 | Wobin | I -like- the people in my guild |
| 03:21.15 | Ackis | wow shadow priests were nerfed royally lol |
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| 03:21.33 | smcn | and part of their point is of course buffs/debuffs are going to overlap, because there aren't going to be 25 different buffs/debuffs you need to bring to every raid |
| 03:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: and surv hunters/ret pallies now provide mana regen too |
| 03:21.44 | Dagmar | Ackis: Well, there's a degree to which they could have just replaced a lot of their abilities with one called "Aura of Win" |
| 03:22.56 | smcn | as long as your raid has at least one of each class you're probably going to be fine for whatever you're doing as far as buffs are concerned. 10 is their theoretical baseline for "must-have" slots, i doubt any amount of theorycrafting is going to bring that number even close to 20 |
| 03:23.20 | smcn | overall it seems like a lot of chicken little going on :P |
| 03:23.21 | Dagmar | Of course, I'm a lunatic. I would like to see *more* things like the (basically) PvP fight in MgT. |
| 03:23.35 | Dagmar | It shows you very quickly who can make decisions and who can't. |
| 03:23.47 | Wobin | but you just may be the lunatic they're looking for? |
| 03:24.05 | smcn | xzomg |
| 03:24.07 | Dagmar | Well, I did get a little excited when I saw the bit about the AI being changed in some villlage |
| 03:24.24 | Wobin | Don't try to save me =\ |
| 03:25.08 | smcn | anyways, so what's this i hear about wintergrasp giving arena points? |
| 03:25.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably bullcrap |
| 03:25.26 | kd3 | it's just for the beta |
| 03:25.32 | smcn | i think i read it in the "zomg people afking in wintergrasp" thread |
| 03:25.33 | smcn | ah |
| 03:25.39 | Dagmar | What they need to do is make the AFK debuff make you show up on enemy radar |
| 03:25.42 | kd3 | just to give people points since there's no active arena season |
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| 03:34.03 | Mike-N-Go | I am curious about Spirit Link, I do not have the world server handy, or a group on it, and here is my question: The wording of the buff is "Sharing 50% of damage taken with up to two other targets." does this go both ways? Example: I cast Spirit Link on the party member 1, it linkss to party member 2 and 3, does only damage taken by member 1 go to 2 and 3, or does damage taken from member 2 or 3 go to the others in the link? Basicly: Is damage migia |
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| 03:38.09 | Shirik | !!! it works! |
| 03:38.11 | Shirik | Finally it works |
| 03:38.25 | Shirik | I can finally go home and sleep peacefully |
| 03:38.37 | Thunder_Child | lies Shirik |
| 03:39.12 | Shirik | This is stupid though |
| 03:39.12 | erikd | sleep is for the weak |
| 03:39.19 | Shirik | The IDE was generating the makefile incorrectly |
| 03:39.29 | erikd | eclipse? |
| 03:39.39 | Shirik | A very very destroyed version of eclipse, yes |
| 03:39.51 | Shirik | So instead of trying to figure out what the issue is |
| 03:39.56 | Shirik | I have determined the issue DOESN' |
| 03:40.06 | Shirik | DOESN'T happen if I generate DLLs instead of static libraries for my projects |
| 03:40.11 | Shirik | so I'll just make them as DLLs and consider it fixed |
| 03:40.36 | erikd | heh |
| 03:41.09 | Shirik | it's ok because there were some other developers in my team saying "Why are we doing static libraries? Wouldn't that be bigger code and redundant?" My answer was "Yes, but it's easier to work with" |
| 03:41.12 | Shirik | So much for that ..... |
| 03:51.55 | ccox | does anyone know if there is any unique identifier for vendors/merchants accessible through Lua? Something that doesn't get localized? |
| 03:54.29 | Yssaril | cant you get a units guid using UnitGUID("unit") would need to target them and check names to make sure you have the right guid |
| 03:54.45 | Jamash | yeah but would that be the same from server to server? |
| 03:54.56 | Jamash | or even restart to restart? |
| 03:55.00 | Dagmar | Sunno. |
| 03:55.00 | kd3 | pull out the npcid from the guid... |
| 03:55.09 | Dagmar | er Dunno. It might be generating an internal hash |
| 03:55.18 | Dagmar | Wait, nah... |
| 03:55.27 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/Macros#NPC_info |
| 03:56.06 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.21 | Dagmar | They cache data for a _long time_ client side so generating a hash id dynamically would fail |
| 03:58.00 | Arrowmaster | theres a unitid of "npc" |
| 03:58.17 | Arrowmaster | that should work for whenever you have a ui window open with an npc |
| 03:58.29 | Arrowmaster | even if you arent targetting the npc |
| 03:59.25 | Yssaril | anyone know a function to create a hash from a table that i can check against another hash to make sure the table is compleate? |
| 03:59.42 | Yssaril | *function/library/etc |
| 04:00.42 | Kaso | you sound like you want to fiddle with the __eq metamethod |
| 04:00.43 | Kaso | i think.. |
| 04:01.27 | Arrowmaster | even that wouldnt do what hes asking |
| 04:02.01 | Kaso | He wants to compare tables by value rather than reference doesnt he? |
| 04:02.05 | Kaso | thats how i read it |
| 04:02.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah, but still needs a way to do it |
| 04:02.18 | Yssaril | basically my goal is to send a table to another player and be able to "patch" changes to it afterwards and needs soemthing to make sure that the senders table equals the receivers |
| 04:02.29 | Arrowmaster | the __eq metamethod would just be a shortcut once hes got a way to do it |
| 04:02.57 | Kaso | well yes, but surely the implementation is simple, recurse through both tables comparing values? |
| 04:03.24 | Jamash | he doesn't want to resend the entire table I assume |
| 04:03.24 | Kaso | I guess i am being presumptuous as to Yssaril's ability level |
| 04:03.41 | Kaso | oh i see, this isnt all on one client |
| 04:03.41 | Yssaril | Kaso: not gonna work since the two tables arent on the same client and i dont want to resent the entire table every time |
| 04:03.47 | Jamash | I would just embed a version string and increment it |
| 04:04.01 | Kaso | yah didnt read that second post till now. |
| 04:04.29 | Yssaril | Jamash: hmm is something to consider |
| 04:05.28 | Kaso | depends how accurate you want it |
| 04:05.37 | Jamash | of course you have to deal with what happens when the client crashes and doesn't save variables |
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| 04:05.49 | Kaso | something like the length of the table serialized would work but not 100% safe |
| 04:06.01 | Yssaril | wounot check for data but check for patches sent vs patches recive and ask for resend if somthing is missing |
| 04:06.25 | Yssaril | wounot -->> not |
| 04:06.50 | Arrowmaster | theres an MD5Lib on wowace thats been around for a while but not really used so i have no clue how good it is, you could use AceSerializer-3.0 to turn the table into a string then run it through the MD5Lib |
| 04:07.00 | Arrowmaster | except i see a major problem with that |
| 04:07.19 | Arrowmaster | if the table has hash entries they can be in different orders |
| 04:07.23 | Yssaril | pairs dosnt gurantee order so thats no good since the string can be different |
| 04:07.31 | Jamash | also if it has enough entries it's gonna be slooooooooooooooow |
| 04:07.35 | Kaso | true yah, hmm |
| 04:07.48 | Arrowmaster | i think no matter what its going to be slow |
| 04:08.25 | Jamash | basically you're trying to implement a peer-to-peer caching system |
| 04:08.41 | Arrowmaster | ah wtf |
| 04:08.44 | Arrowmaster | where did my music go |
| 04:08.58 | Arrowmaster | 4:55:18 streaming and it stops |
| 04:09.45 | Yssaril | Jamash: yea dont want to send stuff i have already sent :) but also want to make sure that everything is there even if the client misses a patch |
| 04:11.06 | Arrowmaster | how big is the table? |
| 04:12.15 | ccox | ok, trying the UnitGUID - thanks! |
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| 04:19.31 | |Yssaril| | could be fairly big |
| 04:21.45 | Dagmar | You could sort the hash tables and then compare chunks of them |
| 04:22.53 | Dagmar | s/tables/keys/; (to be more explicit) |
| 04:23.51 | Dagmar | Computationally intensive, yes. Bandwidth intensive, not particularly. |
| 04:27.03 | ccox | merchant IDs are stable - wowhead uses them as their NPC id |
| 04:36.43 | Ackis | [W:From] [Jindarg]: What a WoW it would be if we had more players like you. |
| 04:36.45 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:37.08 | Ackis | from a GM |
| 04:39.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you cant sort hash tables |
| 04:41.00 | Arrowmaster | you can create a new hash table thats sorted but its extremely computational intensive |
| 04:48.04 | |Yssaril| | Arrowmaster: are there any known instances where if somthing is sent in wow it dosnt get recieved? if wow already has safeguards i can try to get away without any checks (maybe the just a simple patch # check) |
| 04:48.46 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:49.35 | Arrowmaster | data sync'ing is something that not many will even attempt to use because of how much of a pita it is |
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| 04:49.49 | |Yssaril| | any idea when dataloss (packetloss) can happen or does it just happen randomly every now and then? |
| 04:50.04 | Arrowmaster | its not random |
| 04:50.21 | Arrowmaster | but messages can be lost when you disconnect |
| 04:51.19 | Arrowmaster | ok if you switch to just resending the table, is it going to happen automaticly? |
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| 04:52.30 | |Yssaril| | resending the table yes and the table would also get sent in its entirety on login so dc issues shouldn't be a problem i think |
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| 04:57.37 | Ackis | Ravenholdt: Honored - 5190/12000 (43.3%) |
| 04:58.52 | Wobin | given your current speed, Ackis, when are you going to acheive critical mass? |
| 04:59.04 | Ackis | Xinhuan is going faster than me |
| 04:59.21 | Wobin | He's probably hiring people to grind rep for him =P |
| 04:59.25 | Ackis | lol |
| 05:00.54 | Ackis | my goal is to get 11999/12000 before next friday (which I will do) because that's the day the gf moves in |
| 05:02.45 | Stanzilla | Ackis: holy nova fun? |
| 05:03.28 | Shirik|zZz | ScytheBlade1: I love you |
| 05:03.28 | Shirik|zZz | just throwing that out there |
| 05:03.28 | Ackis | I don't have it |
| 05:03.29 | Shirik|zZz | rawr |
| 05:03.38 | Ackis | I run around SW:Ping everyone |
| 05:03.41 | Syzgyn | Ackis: what are you even grinding for that rep? |
| 05:03.58 | Ackis | why not? |
| 05:04.16 | Stanzilla | rank 1 sw:p? |
| 05:04.18 | Syzgyn | ? |
| 05:04.41 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I use max rank as holy spec with my gear, takes them 2 ticks to die but I stop every 30 mins to regen mana and I'm good |
| 05:04.54 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 05:04.54 | Ackis | Syzgyn: I'm exalted w/ 37 factions that will be 38 might as well do it |
| 05:04.55 | Syzgyn | I meant what mobs are you grinding for it |
| 05:05.03 | Ackis | ahh syndicate mobs in durnhold |
| 05:05.06 | Syzgyn | aha |
| 05:05.08 | Ackis | !c us illidan ackis |
| 05:05.20 | Ackis | Ackis, Level 70 Troll Priest (20/41/0). 8461 HP; 10665 Mana; 684 mana regen; 285 mp5; 15 spell crit; 944 +spell dmg; 2535 +heal; 5.06% dodge;[[ TBR: 1185 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/3s7xmw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/6s7w7c ][ Updated: Fri Aug 29 01:11:21 2008 EST ]] |
| 05:05.55 | Syzgyn | Obligatory Boo horde |
| 05:06.45 | Ackis | :P |
| 05:06.48 | Stanzilla | Ackis: nice dodge! |
| 05:07.01 | Syzgyn | You gonna grind the centaur reps up? :P |
| 05:07.08 | Ackis | maybe |
| 05:07.09 | Ackis | lol |
| 05:07.13 | Ackis | ~lart Stanzilla |
| 05:07.13 | purl | judo chops Stanzilla |
| 05:07.22 | Syzgyn | Apparently its possible to get em both to exalted |
| 05:07.32 | Syzgyn | if you go back and forth a stupid amount |
| 05:07.36 | Stanzilla | !c eu zirkel des cenarius Arcádia |
| 05:07.41 | Stanzilla | fail |
| 05:07.45 | Ackis | Syzgyn: no it's not, max you can get is 11999/12000 from killing them |
| 05:07.46 | Stanzilla | :< |
| 05:07.55 | Syzgyn | really? ah well |
| 05:08.02 | Syzgyn | !c us kel'thuzad syzgyn |
| 05:08.20 | Syzgyn | Syzgyn, Level 70 Human Warrior (17/44/0). 11744 HP; 11128 Armour; 2107 AP; 253.600 Melee DPS; 32.31% melee crit; 193 melee hit; 7.45% dodge; 5.00% block; 108 resilience; +33 all resists;[[ TBR: 933 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2c5tnw ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/33utbr ][ Updated: Fri Aug 29 01:14:15 2008 EST ]] |
| 05:10.52 | Syzgyn | I'm trying to grind Exodar up, its painful :\ |
| 05:13.56 | Neuro_Medivh | !c us antonidas neuro |
| 05:14.06 | Neuro_Medivh | cool |
| 05:14.19 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, I suck |
| 05:24.20 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes you do |
| 05:25.53 | Wobin | anyone speak spanish? |
| 05:26.29 | Wobin | ~x en es arrangement |
| 05:27.04 | Wobin | MentalPower|Work: You about? |
| 05:32.01 | Tekkub | stupid question time! |
| 05:32.06 | Tekkub | which looks better? http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2807225837/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2807223839/ |
| 05:35.17 | Cairenn | I prefer the second, and I'd make the overall window narrower - unless there's some reason you need it that wide? |
| 05:38.21 | Tekkub | just filling the config panel |
| 05:40.23 | Wobin | i prefer the one with the blessings right aligned |
| 05:40.37 | Wobin | unless you can, as Cair noted, shrink that subwindow |
| 05:40.45 | Wobin | and centre that frame |
| 05:40.55 | Tekkub | I could, but I don't think it'sll look any better |
| 05:41.12 | Tekkub | since I'm working in the default config panel's dims here |
| 05:41.52 | Wobin | the space to the right of the icons looks odd |
| 05:41.57 | Wobin | maybe spread the icons out a bit? |
| 05:42.30 | Tekkub | actually, maybe move the checks to the left, and use the right half for the classes |
| 05:46.37 | Wobin | hm, not sure if that'd look better |
| 05:46.53 | Wobin | look very cluttered |
| 05:47.08 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2807250697/ |
| 05:47.28 | Tekkub | needs a little fine tuning, but I think it looks decent |
| 05:47.35 | Wobin | oh in that way |
| 05:47.44 | Wobin | yeah, that looks fine =) |
| 05:48.00 | Tekkub | Cairenn, you approve? |
| 05:48.20 | Neuro_Medivh | needs more sexleg |
| 05:48.26 | Wobin | you might want to add a bit more space between "Enabled' and the other ones |
| 05:48.34 | Wobin | if you can |
| 05:48.43 | Cairenn | I agree with Neuro_Medivh |
| 05:49.14 | Wobin | how does one add sexleg? |
| 05:49.26 | Cairenn | I dunno, go ask his teacher |
| 05:49.33 | Cairenn | she's got sexleg |
| 05:49.37 | Neuro_Medivh | yes she does |
| 05:50.04 | Neuro_Medivh | though atm, she's asleep |
| 05:50.13 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2808104008/ |
| 05:50.33 | Cairenn | it looks good to me Tekkub |
| 05:51.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I think you should also try and add in a dancing banana |
| 05:51.38 | Neuro_Medivh | or monkeys. People love monkeys |
| 05:51.54 | smcn | or flippy. |
| 05:52.12 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 05:52.21 | Antiarc | I'm streaming beta again, going to try to do CoT Strath -> http://www.xfire.com/live_video/antiarc/ |
| 05:52.38 | Neuro_Medivh | on a more serious note, my only concern on it's design is the lack of expandability... in that configuration, you're limiting yourself to 4-5 buffs tops |
| 05:53.12 | Cairenn | no, 4-5 greater blessings that are avail to be cast |
| 05:53.28 | Cairenn | one presumes that he has icons for all of the blessings that are avail |
| 05:53.53 | smcn | and it's probably easy enough to shrink the buttons and put them on two lines |
| 05:54.40 | Cairenn | I don't play the class, so I don't know, but by the fact that he only has the four icons, I automatically assumed that that means there are only four possible |
| 05:55.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I think now, there are... Blessing of Salv got removed iirc |
| 05:55.22 | smcn | lol i don't even really know since they changed all of them... i think they did actually remove blessing of light and i know they removed blessing of salv |
| 05:55.38 | smcn | but speaking in terms of the future shrinking the buttons is definitely feasible :P |
| 05:56.19 | Cairenn | or increasing the size of the window again if it becomes necessary in the future |
| 05:57.10 | Cairenn | I just didn't like so much empty space between the class and the icons, makes it easier to mess up ... that's just me though |
| 05:57.43 | Neuro_Medivh | though, that lower left corner still needs a dancing banana |
| 05:58.10 | smcn | maybe highlight every other row? |
| 05:58.11 | Neuro_Medivh | like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4 |
| 05:58.13 | Cairenn | personally, I'd still have left the check boxes across the top, there's actually space to put all four in a single line, but /shrug, that's me again |
| 05:58.44 | Cairenn | what one person likes is rarely how someone else would prefer it |
| 05:58.52 | Tekkub | yes, it should be the only blessings avail in beta |
| 05:59.09 | Tekkub | no, I won't be making a live version of the module :P |
| 06:00.02 | smcn | question is, do you plan on making it compatible with pallypower :p |
| 06:00.17 | Tekkub | doubtful |
| 06:00.27 | smcn | i suppose pp won't be as much of a necessity with only 4 blessings to go around |
| 06:00.34 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 06:00.47 | smcn | paladins in my guild can't keep blessings up as it is even with it... :P |
| 06:01.04 | Tekkub | yea screw them |
| 06:01.14 | Tekkub | sounds like the pally I'm testing on |
| 06:01.21 | Tekkub | I gave him Cork cause he never buffs |
| 06:01.28 | Tekkub | lasted about 2 days |
| 06:01.43 | Tekkub | a month later... "how do I make the Cork window go away |
| 06:01.50 | Tekkub | BUFF PEOPLE DUMBASS |
| 06:01.52 | smcn | rofl |
| 06:02.23 | Tekkub | that was back before it was movable too, so is was like dead center above his head |
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| 06:04.17 | smcn | so yeah looking at that made me think, paladin blessing talents are bizarre... imp BoM in first tier ret, imp BoW in 4th tier holy, and the only two talented blessings are in the same tree? |
| 06:04.44 | smcn | and the worse of those two is farther in the tree.. geez |
| 06:08.13 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, ever thought about duplicating the standard addon tree under the beta section? |
| 06:08.33 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: no, should probably consider it though |
| 06:08.49 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, at this point it would be nice, when it was one page it was no biggie |
| 06:08.54 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 06:09.55 | Thunder_Child | somehow i see a cattle prod in Dolby's future |
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| 06:10.48 | Cairenn | why id Dolby's direction? |
| 06:10.50 | Cairenn | in* |
| 06:11.15 | Thunder_Child | you always say you have nothing to do with that aspect of the site |
| 06:11.28 | Cairenn | I have nothing to do with the CODING of the site |
| 06:12.03 | MentalPower|Work | Wobin: am now |
| 06:12.05 | Cairenn | setting up the forums & download categories, etc, are easy, once he's got the code in place |
| 06:12.22 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 06:12.53 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 06:14.35 | Wobin | MentalPower|Work: nm =) I used another word instead |
| 06:14.58 | Wobin | but incidentally, what would be the spanish word for 'arrangement' where it's a certain setting of musical score for a piece of music |
| 06:14.59 | MentalPower|Work | k |
| 06:15.13 | MentalPower|Work | arreglo is the right one in that case |
| 06:16.28 | Wobin | ta =) |
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| 06:37.58 | Syzgyn | BOOM |
| 06:37.59 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 06:38.04 | Syzgyn | I blame You |
| 06:38.21 | Thunder_Child | i know, talking about Cairenn makes northrend fail |
| 06:38.30 | Syzgyn | Its confirmed now |
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| 06:41.25 | Syzgyn | Stuck retrieving character list :\ |
| 06:45.41 | zenzio | "Furious Attacks - This talent will see some revision before retail so don't worry about a world where warriors are dual wielding daggers for MS bonanzas." -- warriors dual-wielding daggers... that would just be wrong |
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| 06:50.05 | Thunder_Child | not really |
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| 07:09.45 | haste | p3lim: pong |
| 07:10.13 | p3lim | whats buff|debuff|aura.gap ? |
| 07:11.18 | haste | its only for auras, and it creates a gap between buffs and debuffs |
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| 07:11.45 | haste | and using "ping" for such is retarded, unless you want a really slow answer back :p |
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| 07:17.40 | kylapup | Is it possible to dump the contents of what an item's tooltip would contain without actually mousing over the item, or possibly not even -having- the item? |
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| 07:22.08 | cladhaire | kylapup: yes, and yes |
| 07:22.10 | p3lim | werent gonna use it since my auras is perfect as they are, I just wondered :p |
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| 07:23.25 | haste | thing is, when someone "pings", I'll just answer pong and switch back to whatever I was doing |
| 07:23.32 | cladhaire | lol |
| 07:23.48 | haste | I see no reason to wait for a possible respons |
| 07:24.08 | haste | especially since most people abuse it for simple questions, and not a discussion |
| 07:24.35 | Thunder_Child | haste |
| 07:24.36 | kylapup | cladhaire: I was reading about "Hidden tooltip for scanning" on wowwiki there, is that the basics of what I'd need? |
| 07:24.36 | Thunder_Child | haste |
| 07:24.42 | zenzio | ... |
| 07:24.46 | cladhaire | kylapup: you guessed it |
| 07:24.54 | haste | just saying haste is actually filtered out :D |
| 07:24.57 | zenzio | that's it, I'm not going to spare you my horrible puns anymore TC |
| 07:25.24 | Thunder_Child | haste 1 |
| 07:25.29 | haste | ! |
| 07:25.36 | Tekkub | I need more haste items |
| 07:25.48 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.05 | Tekkub | haste, items |
| 07:26.38 | haste | it ends up in the highlight log, but it doesnt trigger a global WM highlight, neither does it mark the line as a highlight |
| 07:27.00 | haste | Tekkub: it's a really dumb filter that goes on combinations |
| 07:27.01 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.03 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, w/e /ignore zenzio |
| 07:27.11 | Tekkub | I love the unholy DK trainer |
| 07:27.47 | Tekkub | does corpse explode and kills two of the students |
| 07:27.48 | zenzio | oh nose TC doesn't lub me |
| 07:28.39 | Thunder_Child | i dont "lub" anyone |
| 07:29.04 | kylapup | cladhaire: Alright, once I get the hidden tooltip set up and pointing to the item and all, what function pulls the text out? I didn't notice any :GetText() or :GetLine(idx), etc. |
| 07:29.37 | cladhaire | GameTooltipTExt |
| 07:29.47 | cladhaire | GameTooltipTextLeft1 |
| 07:29.48 | cladhaire | for example |
| 07:29.53 | cladhaire | GameTooltipTextRight1 |
| 07:29.57 | cladhaire | there's also GetNumLines() |
| 07:30.51 | kylapup | it's a different object then? |
| 07:31.02 | cladhaire | yes, its a FontString |
| 07:31.16 | kylapup | Ah, got it. thanks ^.^ |
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| 07:41.14 | Fisker- | haste my bestest friend |
| 07:41.52 | Cairenn | run haste run! |
| 07:42.11 | Fisker- | people stole my sex leggings |
| 07:42.18 | haste | :D |
| 07:42.23 | Thunder_Child | i dont have enough haste on my mage :( |
| 07:42.42 | haste | guess I should add the classes to the filter also |
| 07:42.55 | Fisker- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31098 <-these should've been mine :( |
| 07:43.03 | Fisker- | BUT WARLOCKS NINJAD |
| 07:43.13 | Thunder_Child | haste, what do you think about the xxx mage addon |
| 07:43.28 | Thunder_Child | it would block that to no? |
| 07:44.03 | haste | it would |
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| 07:44.37 | haste | I need to write a better system, but meh.. perl :* |
| 07:44.56 | Fisker- | haste halp :( |
| 07:45.00 | haste | guess I should switch to weechat and write it in python/lua |
| 07:45.01 | p3lim^ | wth |
| 07:45.14 | p3lim^ | each day at the exact same time my net dies for about 1 min |
| 07:45.32 | haste | Fisker-: that's what you get for downloading and image and renaming it to hta before running it! |
| 07:45.39 | Thunder_Child | p3lim^, that was 17 seconds |
| 07:45.47 | p3lim | on your side prob |
| 07:46.00 | p3lim | takes some time for the server to recognize me as disconnected |
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| 07:46.09 | haste | 1 sec isn't enough to disconnect you from IRC however |
| 07:46.34 | p3lim | local time it was 0942.55 - 0944.08 |
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| 07:47.15 | Thunder_Child | oh..no, i was looking at something else |
| 07:47.27 | Thunder_Child | or not |
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| 07:54.02 | Fisker- | no haste |
| 07:54.11 | haste | yes haste |
| 07:54.14 | Fisker- | i never download images and renames them to hts before running them |
| 07:54.16 | Fisker- | no haste |
| 07:54.35 | haste | read the source of those btw :D ? |
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| 07:55.20 | p3lim | wth disconnected again :S |
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| 07:55.49 | haste | you aren't overloading your router with torrents or something ? |
| 07:56.23 | p3lim | nothing downloading atm, im wondering about my ISP |
| 07:56.34 | p3lim | my router log shows fine, says line dies |
| 07:57.13 | p3lim | but yeah, did you answer my question? :p |
| 07:57.19 | Tekkub | anyone ripped the music out of the wrath files? I'd like to throw them in my normal playlist |
| 07:57.20 | haste | about? |
| 07:57.39 | haste | Tekkub: just use a mpq tool |
| 07:57.49 | haste | they are in 160kbit mp3 :( |
| 07:57.52 | Tekkub | aw, that's effort on my part |
| 07:58.07 | haste | lots |
| 07:58.28 | Thunder_Child | or a torrent, quick search got me http://www.torrentvalley.com/download_torrent_1189854.html |
| 07:58.35 | Thunder_Child | dunno if it works or anything though |
| 07:58.52 | haste | that site looks legit! |
| 07:58.55 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* WTB 50D release date |
| 07:59.16 | Tekkub | files certainly look valid |
| 07:59.21 | zenzio | you want 50D? |
| 07:59.24 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:59.27 | zenzio | YOU CAN'T HANDLE 50D! |
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| 08:00.06 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, and you know that how? |
| 08:00.08 | zenzio | I wish my dad would just buy the 450D or whatever it is and stop telling me about it |
| 08:00.18 | Thunder_Child | 450D is the Xsi |
| 08:00.28 | Thunder_Child | sucessor to the XTi |
| 08:00.34 | Thunder_Child | XSi* |
| 08:01.00 | p3lim | haste: about your comment on the forums; source as in the lua files? |
| 08:01.43 | [Ammo] | p3lim: yes |
| 08:02.00 | [Ammo] | and/or in the distribution :) |
| 08:02.07 | p3lim | ok |
| 08:02.20 | [Ammo] | just my guess from knowing haste a bit though :) |
| 08:03.26 | p3lim | Btw, aint oUF in version 3.x right now, if you look back and remember the old pre-bc versions |
| 08:03.50 | Fisker- | i was doing something haste |
| 08:06.37 | Fisker- | Cairenn |
| 08:06.44 | Cairenn | Fisker-: |
| 08:06.47 | Fisker- | there's no footballs in your captcha, only soccerballs |
| 08:06.53 | Fisker- | >:D |
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| 08:07.13 | Cairenn | so? |
| 08:07.25 | Fisker- | it's asking for footballs!1 |
| 08:07.44 | sioraiocht | umm, they ARE footballs |
| 08:08.01 | Fisker- | i didn't allow you in here sioraiocht :( |
| 08:08.07 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 08:08.17 | Fisker- | you're ruining my trolling experience |
| 08:08.17 | Cairenn | Fisker-: tell me something |
| 08:08.33 | Cairenn | Fisker-: the balls that it is showing .... do you kick them with your feet? |
| 08:08.49 | Tekkub | did someone mention balls? |
| 08:08.53 | sioraiocht | not yours |
| 08:08.58 | Fisker- | only Tekkub's Cairenn |
| 08:08.58 | Cairenn | not the type you like Tekkub :p |
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| 08:10.16 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, that assumes you know all the different kinds of balls Tekkub likes |
| 08:10.28 | Cairenn | point |
| 08:11.22 | haste | p3lim: yes, the source code of oUF is the lua files |
| 08:12.59 | haste | p3lim: also oUF is in version 7, if we are counting all the versions |
| 08:13.08 | haste | 7 or 8, I'm unsure actually |
| 08:13.09 | p3lim | woah |
| 08:13.24 | haste | oUF3 was in 2006, and it was never released |
| 08:13.38 | p3lim | I was kinda thinking released versions |
| 08:13.49 | haste | oUF was really never released |
| 08:14.04 | haste | also, it had another named before 2.0 :) |
| 08:14.20 | p3lim | I remember having oUF2 during the opening of AQ |
| 08:14.37 | haste | yes, that was at the start of Ace2 |
| 08:14.54 | p3lim | That was a release? |
| 08:15.06 | p3lim | Im guessing, I got my hands on it while still beeing a noob :p |
| 08:15.13 | haste | I don't count those as releases |
| 08:15.21 | kylapup | Alright, so I got the tooltip scanning thing perfected, but had a question: if the item has a <Right click to read> message, it doesn't show in :SetHyperlink(itemLink)'s tooltip. Any other way to detect that line? |
| 08:15.29 | p3lim | you count the version you have on WoWI now as a release tho? |
| 08:15.36 | haste | yes |
| 08:15.46 | Cairenn | zomg! sexleg! |
| 08:15.47 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336495593&sid=1 |
| 08:15.50 | p3lim | Ah ok, just seemed odd to me about the version numbers |
| 08:16.08 | Kalroth | hooray for sex leg |
| 08:16.10 | p3lim | woo |
| 08:16.13 | haste | and oUF never had a 1.0 version, due to the name change :3 |
| 08:16.48 | p3lim | oUF has had previous names? |
| 08:17.17 | Tekkub | haste, you need to write a, uhm... macro guard... |
| 08:17.20 | Tekkub | oMG |
| 08:17.32 | haste | D: |
| 08:18.25 | haste | I actually found one of the videos from oUF3 the other day D: |
| 08:18.28 | Tekkub | Name Organizer? oNO |
| 08:19.16 | Tekkub | oHAI >> all |
| 08:19.47 | haste | I should write oSmeg |
| 08:20.00 | haste | in referance to red dwarf |
| 08:20.11 | p3lim | I remember the old days, oUF (classic default layout) and Flexbar! |
| 08:20.13 | haste | s/a/e/ |
| 08:20.13 | Tekkub | and dickcheese everywhere! |
| 08:20.17 | p3lim | http://i36.tinypic.com/2m5dkao.jpg <3 |
| 08:20.41 | haste | I remember the non-released versions :--D |
| 08:20.42 | Tekkub | good old Kryten... Smeeeeeee.. Smeeeeeee |
| 08:20.51 | p3lim | (yes, didnt know what SnD was at that time) |
| 08:21.20 | Tekkub | rogue, that explains a lot |
| 08:21.23 | p3lim | Flexbar, Discord and oUF made me write addons :p |
| 08:21.30 | p3lim | Hehe very easy class, was my alt |
| 08:21.54 | p3lim | Tho youre a Rogue yourself too |
| 08:22.14 | Thunder_Child | <3 discord |
| 08:23.14 | Tekkub | Man, we need to bring back those redd/blue config panels that take 10MiB to load so they need to be in their own addon |
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| 08:33.10 | p3lim | Hm I need a program to record something into a gif file, aswell making the background transparent |
| 08:33.21 | p3lim | kinda like cog's avatar |
| 08:45.11 | Thunder_Child | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 08:45.18 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 08:45.43 | Kalroth | Thunder_Child has gone mad |
| 08:46.04 | Kalroth | Quick, get the suit with the long sleeves! |
| 08:46.41 | Kalroth | So when you're near me, darling can't you hear me S.O.S. |
| 08:46.42 | Kalroth | The love you gave me, nothing else can save me S.O.S. |
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| 08:48.51 | Thunder_Child | 12,800 ISO + F2 lens = win |
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| 09:06.00 | Maldivia | wow - people are going insane about the new raid-wide-buff changes... |
| 09:07.19 | Thunder_Child | people have gone insane with every change |
| 09:07.29 | nevcairiel | just let them |
| 09:07.31 | Thunder_Child | change is hard |
| 09:09.23 | Maldivia | considering noone knows what has changed exactly and to what, I'll reserve my judgement till next build (or a few build after that when it's been tweaked a few times) |
| 09:12.19 | Thunder_Child | i have no issues with peoples comments/opnions i simply dislike how they are delivered |
| 09:18.31 | Maldivia | you mean all the "waaah, my class is useless now.."? |
| 09:20.04 | Thunder_Child | more like "waaaa, now i need to lrean how to play because my buff isnt absolutely necessary" |
| 09:20.08 | Thunder_Child | learn* |
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| 10:26.02 | kylapup | Thanks foe the help earlier all, got my code working =D bedtime! |
| 10:28.55 | Fisker- | haste |
| 10:28.56 | Fisker- | i need you |
| 10:30.32 | haste | oh, that reminds me of hitchcock |
| 10:31.11 | Fisker- | >:3? |
| 10:32.00 | Chompers | Fisker- needs mp/5 over haste |
| 10:32.18 | haste | Fisker-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hitchcock D: |
| 10:33.25 | Fisker- | I DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS AT ALL HASTE |
| 10:33.31 | haste | :D |
| 10:33.34 | Fisker- | GJ |
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| 11:00.06 | Cairenn | p3lim: your upload is corrupted, the zip file is 0 b |
| 11:00.34 | p3lim | Yep, dummy file so I can start a SVN properly |
| 11:01.01 | Cairenn | ah |
| 11:01.07 | p3lim | Its intended, will update the second it gets accepted by you :) |
| 11:01.33 | p3lim | Its better this way (I think) |
| 11:02.45 | Cairenn | it got denied, you'll have to push again |
| 11:03.25 | p3lim | ok |
| 11:03.36 | p3lim | Ill do it the other way, without messing up this time |
| 11:03.46 | p3lim | You mind putting it as a oUF plugin afterwards? |
| 11:03.47 | Cairenn | okay |
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| 11:05.36 | cbreak | yay |
| 11:06.06 | Cairenn | bleh, computer being pissy, brb |
| 11:06.25 | cbreak | feared this channel was disbanded |
| 11:06.50 | p3lim | Cairenn, did you take a backup or something of the info I submitted with that addon that got denied? |
| 11:07.00 | p3lim | Ow.. |
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| 11:17.25 | Lyn | woop... dexter s02e01 :x |
| 11:18.02 | wereHamster | where? |
| 11:18.16 | Lyn | on my dvd :o |
| 11:18.22 | wereHamster | :( |
| 11:18.40 | Lyn | and when it's ready: mythbusters season 1-6 lol |
| 11:20.43 | Lyn | nice bowling team name "bowl till you BLEED" lol |
| 11:28.37 | p3lim | hm wonder if Life has come out with a 2nd season |
| 11:28.45 | p3lim | that was one great season 1 atleast |
| 11:28.59 | Lyn | first episode he was BOWLING!^^ |
| 11:32.19 | ReAn | hey |
| 11:32.29 | ReAn | what multiple does the size of an image need to be? |
| 11:32.30 | ReAn | 2? |
| 11:33.06 | ReAn | for wow to load that is... |
| 11:34.11 | Wobin | yes |
| 11:34.32 | ReAn | powers or multiples? |
| 11:34.43 | ReAn | 512x260 valid? |
| 11:34.47 | ReAn | prolly not i imagine |
| 11:34.51 | nevcairiel | powers |
| 11:34.58 | nevcairiel | 512x256 |
| 11:35.10 | ReAn | booruns |
| 11:35.12 | ReAn | thx tho |
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| 11:37.21 | Lyn | nomnomnom |
| 11:37.50 | Nom- | >:) |
| 11:37.54 | Wobin | nevcairiel: woohoo. Bar positioning and saving done |
| 11:38.00 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 11:38.14 | Nom- | yummy new imac line next month |
| 11:39.46 | Lyn | Nom-, gief link?^^ |
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| 11:50.32 | p3lim | Lyn: ! |
| 11:50.41 | p3lim | Lyn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10674.html |
| 11:50.49 | Lyn | oO |
| 11:51.36 | Lyn | seems nice ;) |
| 11:52.29 | p3lim | My 3rd and last plugin for oUF |
| 11:52.37 | Lyn | last? |
| 11:52.42 | p3lim | Cba making more |
| 11:52.54 | Fisker- | i has food haste |
| 11:52.55 | Lyn | cba? :o |
| 11:53.11 | p3lim | Got 13 active mods running (12 in WoTLK) |
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| 11:53.16 | Lyn | ah |
| 11:53.20 | p3lim | + a full time job, + real life |
| 11:53.23 | Lyn | xD |
| 11:54.12 | p3lim | I took a look at Caellians little fader code, didnt cut it for me, and will probably not cut it for many others, so I wrote a better one |
| 11:54.40 | p3lim | (Only thing is that it doesnt use event, it uses OnUpdate, but it has to be done to prevent it from getting stuck) |
| 11:55.15 | Nom- | It's not fully confirmed, but |
| 11:55.30 | Nom- | http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/27/ipods-notebooks-and-imacs-before-the-holidays/ |
| 11:56.26 | Lyn | i read something about new macbooks months ago |
| 11:56.38 | Lyn | with iphone touch pad etc |
| 11:56.39 | Lyn | :o |
| 11:56.41 | haste | that's a horrible solution p3lim |
| 11:56.41 | p3lim | Cairenn: You have a script or something on the site that makes any addon with 'oUF' in its name a plugin for oUF? |
| 11:56.47 | p3lim | haste: Yeah I know |
| 11:56.59 | Cairenn | no, I do it manually |
| 11:57.03 | p3lim | ok |
| 11:57.09 | haste | you could have used a single shared frame that used events and made it optionally |
| 11:57.25 | Cairenn | I do the same for Titan Panel, FuBar, etc |
| 11:57.25 | haste | and just iterate over the entire frame list to see which frame should be updated |
| 11:57.51 | p3lim | what do you mean by optionally? |
| 11:58.07 | haste | atm you create a frame for each frame, and run it all on seperate onupdates |
| 11:58.17 | haste | which is a horrible way of doing it |
| 11:58.21 | p3lim | ah yeah |
| 11:58.31 | haste | and it doesn't help much that you have it all 110% hard-coded |
| 11:58.40 | Lyn | I understand that! (first time!) |
| 11:58.47 | p3lim | :p |
| 11:58.52 | Lyn | ;) |
| 11:59.38 | p3lim | haste: it was the original idea, but it kept getting stuck |
| 11:59.55 | haste | then debug what you were doing wrong :p |
| 12:00.09 | p3lim | well there were no events to update it once it got stuck |
| 12:00.23 | Lyn | awwww first episode is fun |
| 12:00.24 | haste | how wouldn't there be? |
| 12:00.41 | p3lim | example: it hides once both power and health are max |
| 12:00.55 | p3lim | then there is no longer events running to update the OnEvent function |
| 12:01.10 | haste | what? |
| 12:01.25 | haste | that makes no sense, unless you actually unregister all the events |
| 12:01.31 | p3lim | No |
| 12:01.55 | p3lim | Your idea is to register events instead of an OnUpdate script, right? |
| 12:02.05 | haste | yes |
| 12:02.09 | Slakah | p3lim: have you had a look at http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10696.msg222800#msg222800 |
| 12:02.28 | p3lim | ah crap |
| 12:02.46 | p3lim | You must be kidding me |
| 12:03.11 | Slakah | nope |
| 12:03.30 | nevcairiel | reading helps to avoid useless work =P |
| 12:03.48 | haste | and beyond crap code+solution |
| 12:04.22 | p3lim | its 30ish pages back tho! |
| 12:04.27 | haste | you both use OnUpdates however |
| 12:04.31 | haste | which I don't really see why |
| 12:05.27 | Wobin | all of your 'event's have... events |
| 12:05.31 | Wobin | that you can check... |
| 12:05.37 | Wobin | to switch state |
| 12:05.59 | haste | which is what I've been trying to say |
| 12:06.21 | Wobin | and have it check for state on load |
| 12:06.34 | p3lim | Anyways Slakah, why havent you published the addon properly? I did check curseforge, wowace, wowi and worldofwar, didnt find any then I made my own |
| 12:06.47 | haste | the onupdate solution hasn't been valid for such since 1.3 or so |
| 12:07.13 | haste | I don't remember when unit frames dropped onupdates for polling data |
| 12:07.24 | haste | but it's damn long ago! :3 |
| 12:07.39 | Slakah | p3lim: Completely forgot about it. :P |
| 12:07.39 | p3lim | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED, PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED, PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED, PLAYER_LOGIN, UNIT_MANA, UNIT_HEALTH |
| 12:07.58 | p3lim | those were the events I tried with, got stuck sometimes when at max hp/mana |
| 12:08.27 | haste | have you taken a look at how many events oUF uses for HP and PP updates :p ? |
| 12:08.36 | p3lim | haste: you use OnUpdate yourself for your range module |
| 12:08.41 | haste | you basically have the entire "what's needed" guide there |
| 12:08.47 | haste | yes I do |
| 12:08.53 | haste | do you know why? |
| 12:08.58 | p3lim | but thats only because thers no events? |
| 12:09.05 | haste | yes! |
| 12:09.09 | Slakah | I used the OnUpdate to throttle UNIT_HEALTH events iirc. |
| 12:09.22 | haste | UH is throttled |
| 12:09.26 | haste | why throttle it more :p ? |
| 12:09.37 | Wobin | "why you little...." |
| 12:09.40 | Slakah | ok I'll get rid of it :P |
| 12:10.18 | p3lim | Ill go back to events and test more, or will you make a public release (pref on WoWI) of your plugin? |
| 12:11.41 | Slakah | I think I'll make a public release |
| 12:11.51 | p3lim | Ok |
| 12:12.22 | p3lim | Cairenn: Mind deleting oUF BarFader? (not the svn) |
| 12:12.29 | Cairenn | link |
| 12:12.34 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10674-oUFBarFader.html |
| 12:12.47 | Cairenn | gone |
| 12:13.12 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:13.16 | p3lim | :) |
| 12:13.28 | p3lim | Slakah: Btw, try to avoid tables for settings if you can |
| 12:14.14 | haste | tables there are most likely faster that nested ifs |
| 12:14.16 | Slakah | I just can't think of a better way to do it atm. If you have a suggestion I would be happy to hear it :). |
| 12:14.56 | p3lim | haste: original code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95026 |
| 12:15.18 | haste | I have enough to do |
| 12:17.27 | p3lim | Actually, those events worked, might have been the ifs that made it stuck |
| 12:17.43 | Slakah | p3lim: If you use that code on party/raid with range fading enabled then it will be automatically reset. |
| 12:17.54 | p3lim | Yeah I know |
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| 12:31.54 | p3lim | Hm not sure if I should ditch BarFader or not, now that its using events |
| 12:33.07 | cbreak | why would you not use tables for settings? |
| 12:33.07 | Fisker- | haste |
| 12:33.09 | Fisker- | i > u |
| 12:33.22 | zenzio | you redirect to him? |
| 12:34.35 | Fisker- | stop being mean zenzelezz |
| 12:34.36 | Fisker- | bah |
| 12:34.38 | Fisker- | zenzio |
| 12:34.50 | zenzio | zenzelezz is also me; home computer |
| 12:35.03 | Fisker- | i know |
| 12:38.16 | ReAn | Huzzah! |
| 12:38.21 | ReAn | New version of my mod out :D |
| 12:38.24 | ReAn | I feel good. |
| 12:38.41 | ReAn | Just gotta wait for approval and I can share the love :D |
| 12:40.14 | cbreak | I wonder what they approve there... |
| 12:40.22 | cbreak | source code review? |
| 12:40.45 | Lyn | man I am so tired.. |
| 12:44.01 | Cairenn | cbreak: where? |
| 12:44.28 | cbreak | when uploading to addon sites such as WoWInterface, a file upload is pending for some minutes |
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| 12:44.57 | Bouvi | Checking it for viruses, etc |
| 12:45.02 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: She knows, she runs the site |
| 12:46.08 | Cairenn | I don't know about the other sites, but we run virus & other malicious file scans, take a look at what files are in the zip, see if there are any executables, look at the description to make sure it doesn't do anything that goes against our policies, make sure it's in the right category, etc |
| 12:46.47 | Cairenn | and right now while the key giveaway is going on, if it's a new mod we check to make sure it's the actual author (even more so than our regular check for that) |
| 12:46.53 | cbreak | Sounds like a lot of work. I guess it's needed with potentially mallicious people around :/ |
| 12:47.29 | Cairenn | it's worth it to keep our users safe |
| 12:47.44 | Cairenn | I presume that the other sites do the same |
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| 12:48.05 | Cairenn | or similar |
| 12:52.33 | Fisker- | i don't we just download the files from you cause they've been checked already |
| 12:52.35 | Fisker- | lolol |
| 12:52.37 | Fisker- | 1-0 |
| 12:53.08 | Cairenn | Fisker-: "we"? |
| 12:53.23 | Fisker- | me and my imaginary friend haste |
| 12:53.28 | Cairenn | ah |
| 12:53.36 | haste | D: |
| 12:53.49 | nevcairiel | poor haste |
| 12:53.51 | Punkie | i'd hit it |
| 12:54.01 | nevcairiel | thats what she said |
| 12:54.02 | Fisker- | nah, it's the friend part and not haste that's imaginary |
| 12:54.09 | haste | :D |
| 12:55.17 | Fisker- | i want to play spore haste :( |
| 12:55.31 | Fisker- | without spore i will die |
| 12:55.31 | ReAn | cbreak: WoWI Is good at what they do :) even though it can be annoying waiting for your mod to be approved, i'm glad they do it, it helps protect the 10000's of people that download mods every day. |
| 12:55.33 | haste | needs more spore sex |
| 12:55.42 | Lyn | oO; |
| 12:55.47 | Fisker- | that's sporn haste |
| 12:56.23 | Cairenn | ReAn: we try to make sure mods don't sit in the queue for a long time at all |
| 12:56.36 | Wobin | Cairenn never sleeps |
| 12:56.38 | Wobin | It's a proven fact |
| 12:56.42 | cbreak | I think many aspects of that checking can be automated (maybe they are). Like rejecting all archives that contain anything that is not a text or data file |
| 12:57.01 | Cairenn | heh, well, I'm about to disprove that theory Wobin |
| 12:57.07 | Wobin | Suuure =) |
| 12:57.11 | Wobin | You'll be back |
| 12:57.13 | Wobin | >< |
| 12:57.23 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AvmA93D7II ! |
| 12:57.42 | Lyn | lol haste |
| 12:57.42 | haste | internet, isn't it great? |
| 12:57.46 | ReAn | Cairenn|afk: I know :) You guys are really good about it! |
| 12:57.51 | Cairenn|afk | cbreak: sure some of it could be automated, but a computer can't check a lot of the things that we check |
| 12:57.59 | Lyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHI--f1SOcs haste this one is scary |
| 12:58.04 | Wobin | rofl |
| 12:58.08 | Wobin | that's all kinds of disturbing |
| 12:58.16 | haste | haha |
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| 12:58.19 | Cairenn|afk | anyway, night guys |
| 12:58.31 | Lyn | good night ;) |
| 12:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | Goodnight, Cairenn. |
| 12:58.47 | p3lim | gnite Cairenn |
| 12:59.38 | Wobin | what's also creepy is that they all sound the same =P |
| 12:59.56 | Lyn | :o |
| 13:00.42 | zenzio | hai peppy |
| 13:01.06 | alestane | Good morning little exploding gnome! |
| 13:02.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, guys! *giggle* |
| 13:03.03 | Lyn | morning? |
| 13:03.04 | Lyn | oO; |
| 13:03.17 | Lopeppeppy | What's purl's answer to that.... |
| 13:03.18 | alestane | ~ugt |
| 13:03.18 | purl | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 13:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you alestane. |
| 13:03.26 | Lyn | :O |
| 13:03.51 | zenzio | I'm more interested in the giggles |
| 13:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | I like it when people say hello to me. I'm a cat, notice me and I purr. |
| 13:04.39 | Lopeppeppy | Breakfast!!! |
| 13:04.57 | Lyn | meh.. whole buff stuff changing in wotlk -.- totem of wrath changing again :X |
| 13:05.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah.... not looking forward to it. |
| 13:05.39 | Lyn | some changes are nice, some are... not, have to see it :x |
| 13:05.53 | zenzio | I don't think it will really be that bad, people will learn soon enough what works together and what doesn't |
| 13:05.54 | Lyn | and elemental oath jsut gives 5% crit instead of crit and crit dmg |
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| 13:21.02 | cbreak | Dust's Theorem: The longer an MMORPG runs, the more similarities start to appear between classes. Once all classes are the same, the game is dead. |
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| 13:25.58 | Lyn | seems so |
| 13:26.01 | Lyn | waiting for aion then |
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| 13:37.42 | cncfanatics | omg at the crying already at the buff changes |
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| 13:39.05 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.14 | cncfanatics | wowinsider |
| 13:39.20 | cncfanatics | those people are really hopeless |
| 13:39.58 | ReAn | how is OnUpdate effected with the new this & argument change? |
| 13:40.47 | ReAn | dumb question |
| 13:40.49 | ReAn | ignore me |
| 13:41.29 | jnwhiteh | Keep in mind that the "new this" change isn't new at all |
| 13:41.32 | jnwhiteh | but happened at 2.0 |
| 13:41.33 | End | ugh, if we keep our class composition, I'll have to go fire destro...we have all the other random ass offspecs that provided those buffs |
| 13:41.36 | jnwhiteh | people just chose to ignore it |
| 13:42.17 | cncfanatics | most didn't really :p |
| 13:43.04 | p3lim | 'new this' has indeed been there for a while, they are just removing 'old this' |
| 13:49.20 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: so did blizz themself *shrug :P |
| 13:50.07 | jnwhiteh | not true, we know exactly why they didn't make the change then |
| 13:50.17 | jnwhiteh | and why they made it this time :P |
| 13:53.30 | nevcairiel | whats the reason? I must've missed on that |
| 13:53.33 | nevcairiel | (for not doing it 2.0) |
| 13:53.36 | jnwhiteh | QA |
| 13:53.46 | jnwhiteh | the change came too late to make the sweeping changes through QA |
| 13:53.49 | jnwhiteh | which they take pretty seriously :P |
| 13:53.51 | cbreak | transition time :) |
| 13:54.06 | jnwhiteh | no, most of the code was mechanical to fix |
| 13:54.19 | jnwhiteh | what nevcairiel is saying is that they could have updated their own code, that's what we're dsicussing# |
| 13:54.20 | nevcairiel | add self to func sig, rename this to self |
| 13:54.22 | jnwhiteh | not the removing of this |
| 13:54.26 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: not that easy |
| 13:54.29 | jnwhiteh | look at the UIPanel templates |
| 13:54.36 | cbreak | would be easier to add "this" to function sig |
| 13:54.40 | jnwhiteh | they had to add the frame in a lot of those random functions, since they were relying on this |
| 13:54.43 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: that would be terrible |
| 13:54.43 | jnwhiteh | so no |
| 13:54.44 | nevcairiel | yeah i know some had to change their func sig to add self in front |
| 13:54.51 | cbreak | it's just a name |
| 13:54.56 | nevcairiel | so breaks all occurances |
| 13:54.57 | cbreak | doesn't matter which you chose :) |
| 13:55.10 | alestane | cbreak: It's a fast, effective solution, but very hard to debug. |
| 13:55.28 | nevcairiel | "If you do it, do it right" |
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| 13:55.37 | jnwhiteh | hyep |
| 13:55.47 | alestane | Easy for code conversion, hell for maintainability. |
| 13:56.09 | cbreak | I am used this from c++, so I considered using it for new addons too |
| 13:56.19 | jnwhiteh | qq |
| 13:56.29 | jnwhiteh | thats such a terrible reason |
| 13:56.43 | jnwhiteh | Lua isn't like C++ in pretty much any regard... why would you ever want to blue the line between them even further? |
| 13:56.59 | cbreak | there's no reason to use self either, Lua doesn't mandate the name |
| 13:57.07 | jnwhiteh | actually it does |
| 13:57.12 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't mandate anything |
| 13:57.16 | jnwhiteh | but the syntactic sugar uses self |
| 13:57.19 | jnwhiteh | so that's a BS argument :P |
| 13:57.31 | cbreak | I don't use the sugar :) |
| 13:57.35 | jnwhiteh | QQ again |
| 13:57.43 | Nom- | THIS IS MADNESS |
| 13:57.44 | cncfanatics | you do |
| 13:57.46 | cbreak | qq? |
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| 13:57.51 | cncfanatics | if you ever do OO in lua you'll get to use self |
| 13:57.58 | cncfanatics | so might as well use it for ur other stuff too |
| 13:58.06 | Nom- | use this imo |
| 13:58.17 | cbreak | my_object["my_method"] = function (this, a,b) :) |
| 13:58.33 | jnwhiteh | awesome |
| 13:58.34 | jnwhiteh | grats |
| 13:58.38 | jnwhiteh | *shudder* |
| 13:58.43 | jnwhiteh | why are people purposely obtuse |
| 13:58.56 | End | cbreak: what is wrong with you? |
| 13:59.05 | cbreak | nothing :) |
| 13:59.21 | cncfanatics | there is |
| 13:59.28 | End | cbreak: I'm never touching your code. |
| 13:59.29 | cncfanatics | you are purposely not using all handy things lua offers us |
| 13:59.31 | nevcairiel | shouldnt function myobject:mymethod(a,b) even look better to your C++ sense? *shrug |
| 13:59.44 | cbreak | I think having functions as first-class type is great |
| 13:59.57 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 14:00.01 | jnwhiteh | who doesn't |
| 14:00.17 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't mean we purposely write confusing shit |
| 14:00.25 | cbreak | it's clearer |
| 14:00.30 | jnwhiteh | except not |
| 14:00.37 | jnwhiteh | its no more clear than using self there |
| 14:00.41 | cbreak | it says exactly what it does: it creates a new function and stores it in a table with the given key |
| 14:00.43 | cncfanatics | no it isn't imo |
| 14:00.45 | jnwhiteh | no shit |
| 14:00.46 | jnwhiteh | i know that |
| 14:00.54 | jnwhiteh | i know how to not use sugar |
| 14:00.58 | jnwhiteh | teh use of this is abhorrant tho |
| 14:01.07 | cbreak | it's explicit and verbosse |
| 14:01.07 | jnwhiteh | especially considering the context |
| 14:01.10 | jnwhiteh | jesus |
| 14:01.11 | jnwhiteh | stop |
| 14:01.32 | jnwhiteh | my_object.method = function(self, b, a) end |
| 14:01.34 | jnwhiteh | I can do it too! |
| 14:01.36 | jnwhiteh | that's not the point |
| 14:01.57 | jnwhiteh | the point is continuing to proliferate a confusing global that has existed for quite some time |
| 14:01.59 | nevcairiel | just think of "this" as a reserved keyword in WoWLua that points to the frame currently being processed, and dont use it anymore =P |
| 14:02.18 | jnwhiteh | under your blanket BS reason of "Im' used to it from C++, even tho I do nothing else like C++ in lua" |
| 14:02.19 | nevcairiel | are this and arg1-argX even still set in 3.0? |
| 14:02.22 | nevcairiel | I didnt check yet |
| 14:02.33 | cbreak | I don't think they are |
| 14:02.38 | jnwhiteh | I think that's still open for debate, but I don't believe they are |
| 14:02.41 | jnwhiteh | we'll see when it ships :P |
| 14:04.13 | cbreak | I am quite sure blizzard is not afraid of breaking addons by not setting them anymore. |
| 14:04.22 | jnwhiteh | they aren't? |
| 14:04.24 | jnwhiteh | of course |
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| 14:09.55 | Industrial | makes your face go :*, literally. |
| 14:10.08 | Industrial | well, not become 2 characters :> |
| 14:10.46 | cbreak | you could probably try to neutralize the salt by electrolysis |
| 14:12.48 | Fisker- | i hate you Industrial |
| 14:13.05 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: you also hate me I hope ? |
| 14:13.21 | Fisker- | not at the moment |
| 14:14.31 | cncfanatics | damn |
| 14:14.32 | Industrial | Fisker-: haha i have candy you dont |
| 14:14.35 | cncfanatics | how can I make you hate me ? |
| 14:14.57 | Industrial | OMNOMNOMNOM, Fisker-. |
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| 14:20.27 | kneeki | Whom else here hosts a web site for their addon? |
| 14:20.42 | kneeki | or addon(s). ;) |
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| 14:21.49 | Wobin | tekkub does |
| 14:21.54 | Industrial | kneeki: wht |
| 14:21.56 | Industrial | why |
| 14:22.07 | kneeki | I'm just curious |
| 14:22.09 | Lyn | Fisker-, are you actually do something other than hating people? :) |
| 14:22.42 | haste | I host a git repo with my addons, if that counts :p |
| 14:23.34 | Industrial | o hai Lyn |
| 14:23.40 | Lyn | hau r u? |
| 14:23.47 | Industrial | im gud :D |
| 14:23.51 | Lyn | fain! |
| 14:23.54 | Industrial | not much time for wow with school started :< |
| 14:24.01 | Industrial | 6 classes and a project :D |
| 14:24.06 | Lyn | :D |
| 14:24.19 | Lyn | have a math course next two weeks :x |
| 14:24.41 | Lyn | It's been years that I had math in school. |
| 14:24.56 | haste | shouldn't be an issue D: |
| 14:24.58 | Industrial | ill have one 2nd half of this year :< |
| 14:25.09 | Lyn | :x |
| 14:25.13 | Industrial | cus i failed last year.. |
| 14:25.15 | Industrial | again.. |
| 14:25.17 | Lyn | ouch |
| 14:25.30 | Industrial | yeah </3 math |
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| 14:26.42 | Lyn | I like it - normally - I wasn't that bad in school... but can't remember much. Yesterday I tried to get a clue about binomial theorem :x |
| 14:28.39 | haste | ear infection + glitchcore = not awesome D: |
| 14:28.58 | Industrial | lol haste |
| 14:29.06 | Industrial | again the ear :O? |
| 14:29.24 | haste | I hate my taste of music atm |
| 14:29.32 | haste | yes :( |
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| 14:29.53 | haste | I got it cleaned to get an infection two weeks later, awesome |
| 14:37.13 | ReAn | Anyone remember that website that was scraping mods of wowi / curse and removing the authors creditation and rehosting? |
| 14:37.30 | Slakah | wowkon wasn't it |
| 14:37.30 | zenzelezz | haste: see, by cleaning it you wrecked its immune system |
| 14:37.44 | haste | I had to clean it tho |
| 14:37.50 | haste | I couldn't hear at all |
| 14:38.19 | cbreak | what purpose did they do that for ReAn? Add revenue? |
| 14:38.32 | ReAn | Something like that |
| 14:38.36 | ReAn | they took all the big hits |
| 14:38.41 | Bouvi | OK my last comic entry: http://www.bouvi.com/sigs/worldofhumancraft.jpg |
| 14:38.44 | ReAn | but they didn't just re-host |
| 14:38.45 | Wobin | I remember the site, I dont recall the name |
| 14:38.51 | ReAn | they also removed people's names from the TOC |
| 14:39.08 | ReAn | and stripped all credit in all files from the original author |
| 14:39.14 | ReAn | and uploaded them without permission of course... |
| 14:39.20 | ReAn | danmit, i can't remember which site this was... |
| 14:39.22 | cbreak | Hmm... anyone sued them? :) |
| 14:39.29 | Slakah | wowkon.com |
| 14:39.56 | ReAn | you can't really sue the cbreak |
| 14:40.01 | ReAn | cuz of how our mods are licenced |
| 14:40.17 | cbreak | depends |
| 14:40.22 | ReAn | iirc someone sent them a DMCA Takedown or something and they took that authors mods off |
| 14:40.38 | cbreak | ha! :) |
| 14:40.51 | cbreak | so that DMCA crap was useful for something... |
| 14:40.55 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Ping |
| 14:41.35 | ReAn | hah |
| 14:41.46 | ReAn | http://wowkon.com/ <--- they keep credit in |
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| 15:05.56 | alestane | Wowkon was doing that. Maybe they've been persuaded to stop by the crap we piled on them. |
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| 15:07.35 | alestane | Yes, Wowkon has stripped down most of the offending addons, like LightHeaded. But when they first launched they were definitely doing that. |
| 15:07.43 | Lyn | naaais, dell sends out my laptop in the next days :D |
| 15:08.02 | Industrial | I got a macbook this week :D |
| 15:08.07 | Lyn | :< |
| 15:08.14 | Industrial | :> |
| 15:08.20 | Lyn | I wanted a macbook first, but 300 euros more is too much |
| 15:08.43 | Industrial | I cant figure out where songs go for stepmania on osx :< |
| 15:08.53 | Lyn | lol |
| 15:08.57 | Lyn | stepmania? :O |
| 15:09.08 | Lyn | ah, google helps |
| 15:09.08 | Industrial | <-- plays stepmania |
| 15:09.25 | Lyn | with keyboard or how? |
| 15:09.33 | Industrial | keyboard |
| 15:09.37 | Industrial | one handed spread, eg JKL: keys |
| 15:09.56 | Lyn | ah |
| 15:09.58 | Lyn | sweet :o |
| 15:09.59 | Industrial | I pwn people at school at it >=D |
| 15:11.02 | Industrial | oh maybe i still have that vid *search* |
| 15:11.12 | Lyn | hhhmm.. |
| 15:11.33 | Industrial | http://www.digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/sm/video/Untitled.wmv |
| 15:11.38 | Industrial | <^ |
| 15:11.41 | AckisWork | keylogger!!!! |
| 15:11.52 | Lyn | no it's a indie-home-made porn movie |
| 15:11.59 | Industrial | xD |
| 15:12.55 | Lyn | lol |
| 15:13.44 | Fisker- | Lyn |
| 15:13.48 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.56 | Lyn | Fisker-, thank you :) |
| 15:15.12 | haste | Industrial: song! |
| 15:15.27 | Industrial | DM Ashura - boss mod |
| 15:15.34 | haste | stepfiles! |
| 15:15.42 | haste | also I hate you for using wmv |
| 15:16.32 | Industrial | yeh well, I coudlnt find a proper capturing tool and i even had to sync in the sound from the mp3. |
| 15:16.47 | Lyn | Industrial, what macbook are you getting? small white one, or a pro? |
| 15:16.57 | Industrial | i got a macbook black |
| 15:17.01 | Lyn | uh nice |
| 15:17.01 | haste | that still doesn't prvent you from posting the stepfiles Industrial ! |
| 15:17.09 | Lyn | haha |
| 15:17.24 | Lyn | haste, when does ouf 1.1 get stable on wowi? :p |
| 15:17.55 | haste | not sure really, when I get the time to go over lily and classic |
| 15:18.04 | Lyn | ah :) okay |
| 15:18.05 | haste | and possibly have less painkillers in my blood D: |
| 15:18.14 | Lyn | good idea :P |
| 15:18.33 | Industrial | haste: theres 6 versions gotta check which is the right one |
| 15:18.51 | haste | you have like three songs in the folder :p |
| 15:20.14 | Lyn | Voraussichtliches Lieferdatum (am oder vor dem): 17.09.2008 < AW MY GAWD (delivery date) |
| 15:20.21 | Lyn | :< |
| 15:20.25 | haste | amazon? |
| 15:20.28 | Lyn | no, dell |
| 15:20.31 | haste | :D |
| 15:20.47 | Lopeppeppy | 5-7 business days. |
| 15:20.51 | cbreak | there are rumors of new portable macs soon. |
| 15:20.52 | Punkie | dude, you bought a dell o.o |
| 15:20.56 | Lyn | but ... it's -60 euros cheaper :x |
| 15:21.16 | Lyn | cbreak, yep, read something about the iphone touch pad in the new macbooks O.O |
| 15:21.18 | Industrial | haste: sorry not now:< |
| 15:21.27 | haste | Industrial: stop faililg :( |
| 15:21.30 | Industrial | haste: cant got the songs to work on osx and i deinstlled it on windows some months ago |
| 15:21.38 | Industrial | :< |
| 15:21.44 | haste | gwah |
| 15:21.48 | Lyn | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/fail-owned-island-car-fail.jpg this is fail |
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| 15:23.36 | BugerMan | hi all, |
| 15:23.36 | BugerMan | who can tell on writing addon? |
| 15:25.56 | Industrial | ... |
| 15:26.04 | Lyn | oO |
| 15:26.10 | alestane | If I understand you right, most of us. It depends what problems you're having. |
| 15:29.01 | BugerMan | such a question - can I use addons external libraries (dll and COM objects) such luanet |
| 15:29.10 | alestane | No. |
| 15:29.53 | BugerMan | ((( |
| 15:30.04 | alestane | For WoW add-ons, you are limited to uncompiled Lua code stored in the Interface/AddOns folder. You can't add C-based Lua libraries. |
| 15:31.35 | BugerMan | |
| 15:31.36 | BugerMan | understandably, will mean to do lua) thanks |
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| 15:32.43 | BugerMan | |
| 15:32.43 | BugerMan | and another - the question is limited amount of memory? |
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| 15:33.06 | cbreak | there is a limit in what the OS will give to WoW |
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| 15:34.03 | BugerMan | well, although this good) |
| 15:34.43 | Industrial | *chomp* |
| 15:34.46 | Industrial | nomnomnom |
| 15:35.03 | cbreak | World of Warcraft is a 32 bit binary on my operating system |
| 15:35.04 | alestane | Industrial: be nice! |
| 15:35.08 | Industrial | oh im really blind as well as not being able to type |
| 15:35.11 | cbreak | that means it can not get more than 4 GB of memory |
| 15:35.12 | Industrial | I read BurgerMan :< |
| 15:35.24 | cbreak | and some of that is reserved as space for shared libs too |
| 15:35.37 | cbreak | (and other things) |
| 15:36.09 | Industrial | :V |
| 15:36.10 | Fisker- | STOP IT |
| 15:36.18 | Fisker- | you're killing my friend |
| 15:36.33 | Industrial | stop slapping people with your friends |
| 15:36.38 | cbreak | Incredible super power, Matter Eater Lad. |
| 15:36.39 | Lyn | lol |
| 15:36.42 | Fisker- | oh u Industrial |
| 15:36.43 | alestane | You don't usually need to worry about memory...even data-heavy mods such as Auctioneer use a fraction of the memory WoW needs for its engine and graphics processing. |
| 15:36.52 | Industrial | no u Fisker- |
| 15:37.11 | Fisker- | i want to destroy you Industrial |
| 15:37.31 | Industrial | i want to hug you Fisker- |
| 15:37.35 | Industrial | :3 |
| 15:37.39 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 15:51.15 | Kaso | http://www.pastey.net/95039 |
| 15:51.22 | Kaso | Love the helpful error message there |
| 15:52.33 | Shirik|Ecole | holy shit |
| 15:52.46 | Shirik|Ecole | who taught that guy how to make databases? |
| 15:53.23 | Kaso | Well to be fair the database was there when he started work, had to just deal with it guess |
| 15:53.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 15:54.29 | Shirik|Ecole | oh, found it |
| 15:54.34 | Fisker- | relationships are for pussies |
| 15:54.37 | Shirik|Ecole | stupid mistake |
| 15:54.50 | Lyn | Fisker-, you dont like pussies? |
| 15:54.51 | Shirik|Ecole | in all honesty, I don't see how you can improve the error message |
| 15:54.52 | erikd | hahaha |
| 15:54.54 | erikd | i love that |
| 15:55.29 | Shirik|Ecole | it told you exactly what was wrong, an extra comma |
| 15:55.29 | Fisker- | now i have you even more Lyn |
| 15:55.38 | Lyn | you have me? ouh sweet :p |
| 15:55.46 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 15:55.48 | Fisker- | hate* |
| 15:55.50 | Lyn | ^^ |
| 15:56.04 | erikd | shirik: or a 0 that should've been there and isn't resulting in ,, |
| 15:56.41 | Lyn | Meh, I forgot what I wanted to look in the internet now Xx |
| 15:57.26 | Wobin | Porn? |
| 15:57.33 | Lyn | No |
| 15:57.34 | Lyn | not yet |
| 15:57.38 | erikd | ahh, i see the problem |
| 15:58.18 | erikd | it's like a treasure hunt! |
| 16:00.07 | Shirik|Ecole | virtualpc gogo! |
| 16:00.19 | erikd | virtualbox, imo |
| 16:00.50 | erikd | is anyone still playing mysqlgame? |
| 16:00.58 | Shirik|Ecole | virtualbox supports any OS? |
| 16:01.10 | erikd | as far as i know |
| 16:01.19 | erikd | you looking for qnx? |
| 16:01.28 | Shirik|Ecole | yup |
| 16:01.29 | Shirik|Ecole | QNX Neutrino 6.32 Doesn't work |
| 16:01.32 | Shirik|Ecole | from their site |
| 16:01.46 | erikd | lame |
| 16:02.06 | erikd | it supports ecomstation and os/2 but not qnx >< |
| 16:02.34 | erikd | you know, i bet you could still run qnx but it just doesn't have client tools |
| 16:02.54 | erikd | been a long time since i've played with qnx, i'll try it :) |
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| 16:03.24 | erikd | 11:00 < erikd> lame |
| 16:03.24 | erikd | 11:01 < erikd> it supports ecomstation and os/2 but not qnx >< |
| 16:03.24 | erikd | 11:01 < erikd> you know, i bet you could still run qnx but it just doesn't have client tools |
| 16:03.27 | erikd | 11:02 < erikd> been a long time since i've played with qnx, i'll try it :) |
| 16:03.40 | Shirik|Ghost | apparently VirtualPC decides it's fun to restart your network adapters when installed |
| 16:03.46 | Shirik|Ghost | (12:02:08) (erikd) it supports ecomstation and os/2 but not qnx >< |
| 16:03.48 | Shirik|Ghost | (12:02:13) (@Shirik|Ecole) which is strange because QNX is UNIX-based... |
| 16:04.10 | Shirik|Ghost | but yeah |
| 16:04.16 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm not going to have the robot at all times in my posession |
| 16:04.19 | erikd | is 6.32 the newest "free" one? |
| 16:04.21 | Shirik|Ghost | I need some way of testing my code without it |
| 16:04.26 | Shirik|Ghost | 6.32 is the newest period :) |
| 16:04.35 | erikd | i see 6.4 on their site |
| 16:04.39 | Shirik|Ghost | It's pre-release |
| 16:04.43 | erikd | oooh |
| 16:04.44 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm not even sure it's accessible yet |
| 16:04.50 | Shirik|Ghost | it might be, I haven't looked |
| 16:05.01 | erikd | the development platform looks to be |
| 16:05.12 | Shirik|Ghost | I have a non-commercial license with them so :) |
| 16:05.16 | Shirik|Ghost | oh that's right! |
| 16:05.27 | Shirik|Ghost | You can't exactly get 6.4, what you do is you get 6.32 and put 6.4 on top of it |
| 16:05.41 | Shirik|Ghost | But we're using 6.32 since we need a proven stable system :) |
| 16:05.45 | erikd | wasn't there a version of qnx you could download for free? |
| 16:05.53 | Esine | Hey, how would one go about detecting if a new quest has been accepted by the player? I tried to use UNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGED event but it seems it's fired BEFORE the quest log has actually changed, making GetNumQuestLogEntries() return wrong, old values |
| 16:05.56 | Shirik|Ghost | um.... it's open source |
| 16:06.00 | Shirik|Ghost | if that's what you mean |
| 16:06.05 | Anaral | What do you guys think is better for a boomkin 20 spirit or 23 crit strike rating? |
| 16:06.20 | Shirik|Ghost | but you can just get an evaluation or non-commercial license with them fairly easily |
| 16:06.31 | erikd | do you have problems with mana? |
| 16:06.38 | Slakah | Esine: "QUEST_LOG_UPDATE" |
| 16:06.40 | Anaral | Not really. |
| 16:06.44 | erikd | crit |
| 16:06.56 | Esine | Slakah, I'll check that out |
| 16:07.04 | erikd | give you more dps over the crit because of the haste procs |
| 16:07.29 | Anaral | erikd: Thanks. Yeah, just wanted to get confirmation. |
| 16:07.46 | erikd | on live i've been going toward haste, though |
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| 16:12.53 | Industrial | haste: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/sm/songs/(Dan23)%20Boss%20Machine.zip |
| 16:13.06 | erikd | probably not |
| 16:13.09 | haste | Industrial: busy playing aq2 now :p |
| 16:13.15 | Industrial | fail! |
| 16:13.22 | Industrial | :3 |
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| 16:13.26 | haste | not really |
| 16:13.33 | haste | aq2 > * :3 |
| 16:13.47 | erikd | for the most part you'll be attacking stuff your own level or closer so you won't need as much hit as you would during raids |
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| 16:13.52 | Industrial | hm, I like this app called cyberduck :D |
| 16:14.12 | erikd | and if you're fighting a "boss" level character it won't matter if you're min/maxing because it's just leveling :) |
| 16:17.35 | Shirik|Ghost | yey |
| 16:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik gets no chips. |
| 16:17.51 | Shirik|Ecole | got my chips too :) |
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| 16:42.47 | alestane | *sigh* What's wrong with this URL in your book? |
| 16:43.02 | alestane | NVM, can't paste from my other account. |
| 16:43.25 | alestane | But I know the problem I have with it is that the URL alone is almost 2kb long. |
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| 16:45.45 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 16:46.23 | Lopeppeppy | Rice cakes aren't cutting it. |
| 16:48.27 | Syzgyn | Is storm peaks still closed? |
| 16:50.12 | Shirik|Ecole | but they're healthy, Lopeppeppy |
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| 16:53.18 | Lopeppeppy | Healthy my *grumble mutter rumble* |
| 16:55.12 | Lopeppeppy | *bonk* |
| 16:56.26 | AckisWork | why didn't blizzard mention hex of weakness when they were redoing the buffs? |
| 16:56.34 | Shirik|Ecole | noice |
| 16:56.41 | Shirik|Ecole | whenever I click on "bill pay" on bank of america |
| 16:56.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I get logged out |
| 16:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | They want to keep your money |
| 16:57.46 | Thrae | You're allowed to deposit money in Bank of America accounts, just not withdraw. It's their highest interest account! |
| 16:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
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| 17:02.45 | ReAn | Shirik|Ecole: Which channel did CIA output to? |
| 17:02.58 | Shirik|Ecole | #wowuidev-commits? |
| 17:03.02 | ReAn | danke |
| 17:03.05 | Shirik|Ecole | it's in the topic ;) |
| 17:03.09 | ReAn | oh |
| 17:03.15 | AckisWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336865963&postId=93357668923&sid=1#0 SUPPORT THE TROLLS |
| 17:03.18 | ReAn | i've been in channel for weeks |
| 17:03.25 | ReAn | haven't seen the topic in forever |
| 17:03.57 | Shirik|Ecole | "Yes my overheal is 32% :(. But I had the mana to spare and those hits on the last few growths get dicey. :D " |
| 17:04.00 | Shirik|Ecole | 32% is bad? |
| 17:04.09 | Shirik|Ecole | Damn I break 50% almost every raid :/ |
| 17:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | As a druid it's a bit high |
| 17:04.32 | Shirik|Ecole | not a druid! |
| 17:04.40 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 17:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I've pulled as low as 2% OH in kara on my druid, and 11% in TK |
| 17:04.54 | Shirik|Ecole | druids cheat though |
| 17:04.59 | Shirik|Ecole | lifebloom doesn't show up as OH |
| 17:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why that's a bit high for a druid ;) |
| 17:05.13 | Shirik|Ecole | he's a pally I thinki |
| 17:05.18 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 17:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I misread that |
| 17:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "growths" --> "regrowths" |
| 17:05.52 | End | regrowth? :o |
| 17:06.13 | End | roll moar lifebloom, nub! |
| 17:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | 32% for a pally is great |
| 17:06.38 | Shirik|Ecole | like, how do you even GET overhealing on a druid? |
| 17:06.46 | Shirik|Ecole | just final ticks? |
| 17:06.53 | erikd | regrowth |
| 17:06.54 | Shirik|Ecole | not the "whomp" but top-off ticks |
| 17:06.59 | Shirik|Ecole | regrowth wouldn't show yup |
| 17:07.06 | Shirik|Ecole | because if you don't heal anything it doesn't tick |
| 17:07.10 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 17:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | regrowth, a tick for 800 when you only had 300 HP to heal |
| 17:07.10 | End | lifebloom ticks can overheal, if they're damaged for less than what a heals for |
| 17:07.14 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry, misunderstood |
| 17:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Swiftmend |
| 17:07.25 | Shirik|Ecole | screw swiftmend |
| 17:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | NOU |
| 17:07.35 | Shirik|Ecole | Me |
| 17:07.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Swiftmend is awesome |
| 17:07.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm sick of seeing +0 {11000} |
| 17:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I love it :) |
| 17:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Swiftmend is stupidly flexible, it's just incredibly win |
| 17:08.53 | Shirik|Ecole | brb |
| 17:09.33 | zenzelezz | Shirik couldn't handle the Swiftmend |
| 17:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | He never could :/ |
| 17:13.52 | ReAn | <@Shirik|Ecole> Damn I break 50% almost every raid :/ <--- Overheal is prettymuch a useless statistic in wow now, honestly, unless the guy is oom 70% of the fight and useless cuz he's overhealing, overheal is good |
| 17:14.03 | ReAn | 100000000 pts of overheal is still better than 1 pt of underheal |
| 17:14.39 | ReAn | my shaman was 65% overheal in BT all the time, (chain heal spam :/) but i was top of the effective charts and never out of mana |
| 17:14.41 | End | overheal isn't good per say. keeping people alive is good, and if you have to overheal to safely do it, so be it |
| 17:15.03 | ReAn | well obviously if people are spamming heals on people @ full life it's useless |
| 17:15.18 | Kaso | it's "per se" ;p |
| 17:15.27 | End | Kaso: erp |
| 17:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | There is only X amount of healing to be done in a raid, end of story. There will always be overhealing. When you feel that your group, as a whole, is overhealing too much, cut back a healing position. |
| 17:15.35 | NeoTron | overheal has become a fact of life in BC |
| 17:15.36 | ReAn | but my chain heal costs 400 mana or so, it hits the 1st target for 2500-3400, the next for 1800-2500, and the next for 700-1300 |
| 17:15.39 | Lopeppeppy | But don't penalize for "overhealing", it's just par for the course in TBC |
| 17:15.47 | NeoTron | bosses simpl hit so hard you can't wait to heal until someone has taken damage |
| 17:15.47 | ReAn | it'll jump even if the person needs 10 hp to be at full |
| 17:15.51 | NeoTron | or they will di |
| 17:16.05 | ReAn | heh |
| 17:16.12 | Lopeppeppy | Then perhaps shaman shouldn't use chain heal except on melee, and the other raid healers focus on anything but. |
| 17:16.14 | ReAn | Illidan is a bad culprit for forcing overheal |
| 17:16.24 | ReAn | Lopeppeppy: we're not effective otherwise |
| 17:16.34 | ReAn | and 2 shamen can keep your entire raid healed |
| 17:16.36 | ReAn | minus tanks |
| 17:16.43 | ReAn | but all the random splash damage is taken care of |
| 17:16.48 | ReAn | and we can spam rank2 forever |
| 17:16.49 | Lopeppeppy | Then have the other healers avoid your assignments and focus on the tanks, there's your good thing. |
| 17:16.52 | ReAn | i did a stress test |
| 17:17.14 | ReAn | I was able to cast ch rank 2 for 47 minutes non stop w/ a proper mtt/potion rotation |
| 17:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | btw, downranking is dead! |
| 17:17.39 | ReAn | a rank 2 ch lands for 2100-2500 with 2100 +heal |
| 17:17.41 | ReAn | oh i know |
| 17:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | See honestly I see that as the reason as to why they broke downranking |
| 17:17.59 | ReAn | i was not impressed with shaman healing in beta |
| 17:17.59 | ReAn | not at all |
| 17:18.01 | ReAn | they gave us synergy |
| 17:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And like half of my keybinds that I use as utility :( |
| 17:18.06 | Lopeppeppy | And they are buffing other shaman heals to make it easier to balance heal types. |
| 17:18.08 | ReAn | but killed any chance at even coming close to being mana efficient |
| 17:18.16 | ReAn | in raids we're gonna be out of mana in 5 minutes |
| 17:18.19 | ReAn | tops |
| 17:18.28 | ReAn | they havent buffed any heals |
| 17:18.32 | ReAn | they made them work togewther |
| 17:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome to every other healer. it will balance out. |
| 17:18.36 | ReAn | they're still piss poor weak |
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| 17:18.46 | ReAn | and expensive considdering we get no regen other than from our mp5 |
| 17:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | You say synegy, I say buffing, it's the same discussion. Things change, and we learn again to balance raids. |
| 17:19.23 | ReAn | Basically, my D3/T4 priest can heal more effectively at this point than my T6 shaman |
| 17:19.30 | ReAn | which dosent impress me one bit |
| 17:19.45 | ReAn | it's all about regen |
| 17:20.35 | erikd | that's why shadow priests are available :) |
| 17:20.49 | ReAn | dosent help us for 5-mans or heroics |
| 17:20.52 | Lopeppeppy | Or about class balance, and where you get regen, and how different classes fit into one raid.... and of course, as erikd says, that's why there are shadowpriests. |
| 17:21.02 | Lopeppeppy | They can certainly help for 5 man or heroics, if your party includes one. |
| 17:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And now they'll help the entire raid! |
| 17:21.11 | ReAn | true |
| 17:21.20 | ReAn | but now you need a shadowpriest to not go oom in 3-4 mins? |
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| 17:21.24 | ReAn | that seems broken to me |
| 17:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't, you can heal it fine |
| 17:21.41 | Lopeppeppy | You feel that you need an SP, but I doubt that is universally true. |
| 17:21.55 | erikd | my shaman is in blues and some kara epics and i haven't had a problem healing 5 mans or kara |
| 17:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | You need to balance your talents, stats, enchants, buffs and so forth, to get the result you want. It's never a "gimme" |
| 17:23.49 | ReAn | Lopeppeppy: T6 Resto shaman, i ran Azjol-Nerub 6 times with a variety of group makeups, found it rather stressfull because of regen issues, the synergy worked out alright but using max rank and inefficient spells really hurt the job, did AJ-N on the priest, it was a breeze |
| 17:24.12 | ReAn | my priest had 1300 +heal pre-tlk, my shaman is T6 ffs |
| 17:24.28 | Lopeppeppy | Priest /= shaman. Look for ways to optimize your shaman for what you want to get out of it. Sheer Tier level doesn't indicate a darned thing, not all tiers are created equal. |
| 17:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Different classes heal differently. Shaman will have to adapt more than others due to the amazing amount of downranking currently used which has gone poof. |
| 17:24.35 | ReAn | well of course |
| 17:24.45 | ReAn | but what im saying is, our efficiency lied in our downranking |
| 17:24.52 | ReAn | they basically took away without giving back |
| 17:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 17:25.02 | ReAn | spirit link isn't as efficient as you think |
| 17:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 17:25.07 | End | Priests do have more varied heals |
| 17:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong button, ignore that |
| 17:25.56 | ReAn | End: this is true, but here's my stigma: max rank CH is bloody expensive, additionally LHW (Flash heal for shammies) is our worst mana->heal conversion ratio |
| 17:26.04 | ReAn | so when i have to quickly heal 2-3 people |
| 17:26.07 | ReAn | it's problematic |
| 17:26.13 | End | :-/ |
| 17:26.19 | ReAn | additionally, not everyone stands next to one another |
| 17:26.20 | ReAn | in fact |
| 17:26.25 | ReAn | people instinctively spread out |
| 17:26.31 | ReAn | wasting the effectiveness of chain heal |
| 17:26.37 | Lopeppeppy | Tell that to the paladin with no AoE heals at present. :) I do what my paladin can do to heal, and it's different from yours. |
| 17:26.38 | ReAn | now we've got poor regen overall |
| 17:26.42 | ReAn | yea |
| 17:26.47 | ReAn | but his flash of light is efficient |
| 17:26.50 | ReAn | it's not a fucking mana hog |
| 17:27.19 | ReAn | also |
| 17:27.26 | ReAn | we look at comparative healing strength |
| 17:27.36 | ReAn | my holy priest, 1300 +heal's flash heal |
| 17:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | And it does squat, what's your point? It's what I have, so I use it when the situation calls for it. It's a tool, to be used as I choose. I make intelligent healing decisions, there's no "always best" solution. |
| 17:27.39 | ReAn | 2086 |
| 17:27.52 | ReAn | my resto shaman, T6 (2100 +heal)'s LHW, 2020 |
| 17:27.56 | ReAn | mana cost |
| 17:28.11 | ReAn | priest 470 mana |
| 17:28.14 | ReAn | shaman 420 mana |
| 17:28.23 | ReAn | my shaman has 1/2 the while casting mp5 of my priest |
| 17:28.28 | ReAn | because she gains from spirit |
| 17:28.35 | ReAn | and mp5 |
| 17:29.04 | ReAn | what im saying is i need to see some revision |
| 17:29.17 | erikd | i find that hard to believe considering one of our resto shaman has more mp5 than my druid does with water shield and mana spring down |
| 17:29.18 | ReAn | cuz so far it seems they just threw in new stuff and havent even revised it |
| 17:29.40 | ReAn | if you're just counting mp5, then fine |
| 17:29.46 | ReAn | but count gains from spirit |
| 17:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | When you have to start with "ifs", I almost automatically stop listening seriously.... |
| 17:30.01 | erikd | mp5 IS counting spirit |
| 17:30.08 | erikd | mp5 is how much mana you gain every 5 s |
| 17:30.12 | erikd | that's regen while casting |
| 17:30.50 | ReAn | all im saying is im unhappy, and i think blizz hasn't done any class refining, all i've seen them tweaking is DKs honestly |
| 17:30.54 | Lopeppeppy | You want revision. So go to the shaman forums, see what people are talking about, make your suggestions and feedback on the beta forums. But keep the class balance big picture in mind... what you see as "wrong" may be a deliberate decision to balance out different classes amongst one another. |
| 17:31.20 | ReAn | and it worrys me, because while shaman healing is much more involved, it's harder to do the same things, the class was already an odd class to do anthing but raid heal with |
| 17:31.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't taken more than a cursory glance at the DK forums, and I see them tweaking all of the classes. |
| 17:31.35 | ReAn | I've been providing my feedback through the UI tool |
| 17:31.41 | ReAn | like a beta tester does |
| 17:31.48 | ReAn | s' the whole point im there |
| 17:32.06 | ReAn | Just 3 beta patches now of prettymuch ONLY dk changes |
| 17:32.13 | ReAn | i mean fuck, spirit wolves are still NYI |
| 17:32.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | DK is new, of COURSE they get more changes per patch. |
| 17:32.33 | ReAn | and they're talking about releasing the 3.0 talents live soon >_> |
| 17:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I sense a case of "but ME!" here |
| 17:33.00 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ME/MY CLASS/ |
| 17:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 17:33.05 | ReAn | well, they've borked tanking atm, they really havent done any tanking revisions except a generic "arbitrary" aggro boost |
| 17:33.17 | ReAn | they havent even looked at the imbalance they threw across the board taking out crushings |
| 17:33.21 | ReAn | dps is so-so |
| 17:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | afk next class! |
| 17:33.30 | ReAn | half the rogue talents are still NYI |
| 17:33.42 | ReAn | mages are getting work |
| 17:33.44 | ReAn | but not that much |
| 17:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah? It's beta, hello.... Little bites. |
| 17:33.54 | erikd | they didn't say it'll be on live soon |
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| 17:33.59 | erikd | they said the ptrs would be up soon |
| 17:34.07 | ReAn | *shrug* they want this game out in november? they need to get thier ass in gear really... |
| 17:34.19 | ReAn | cuz the state of the beta is nowhere near ready |
| 17:34.24 | ReAn | dks are broken as fuck |
| 17:34.28 | Lopeppeppy | Stuff the whole pizza in your mouth and you're just going to throw it up. It's not going live tomorrow, take a breath. November, that's the first I've heard. If they're shooting for it, at least they have a target. |
| 17:34.29 | ReAn | and by broken i mean imba |
| 17:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | Would you prefer no target? |
| 17:34.47 | ReAn | Actually yes |
| 17:35.10 | ReAn | Cuz im worried actiretards may be pushing blizz to release early |
| 17:35.13 | ReAn | which is bad for everyone |
| 17:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | You are once again in the minority then. Most consumers like a "you can expect X around Y date" |
| 17:36.10 | alestane | And Blizzard has never been afraid to push back release dates if they're not satisfied with the product. |
| 17:36.14 | NeoTron | Blizzard is not afraid of going past the x-mas season for their releases typically |
| 17:36.20 | ReAn | Well im hoping they get thier ass in gear, cuz at the rate they've been going, they're not gonna hit a 2008 release date imho |
| 17:36.24 | nevcairiel | Yup, they wont be pushed by anyone |
| 17:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone. |
| 17:36.45 | malreth | ReAn: if it's not ready, they'll push back the release date |
| 17:36.49 | malreth | it wouldn't be the first time |
| 17:36.52 | ReAn | i sure hope so |
| 17:36.56 | nevcairiel | ReAn: you dont know whats going through internal QA right now, maybe they have a big ZOMG class patch ready |
| 17:37.06 | alestane | And if they decide that they' can't have it ready to their satisfaction in time for a 2008 release, they'll pucsh it back to Q1 or Q2 2009 like they did with TBC. |
| 17:37.19 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe they're all on vacation in Tahiti. Point is... YOU DON'T KNOW, and shouldn't assume. |
| 17:37.30 | malreth | ReAn: yeah, you remember the burning crusade release, right? |
| 17:37.33 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: most likely they have some significant changes due to the stacking |
| 17:37.49 | ReAn | yea, i was in that beta too |
| 17:37.55 | NeoTron | my biggest fear right now honestly is taht the 3.0.2 live patch will break BC raiding |
| 17:37.56 | alestane | And they're also engaged in trying to make sure the new class mechanics and whatnot that they programmed are actually working the way they meant, so they can decide if the feedback they're getting is even meaningful. |
| 17:38.02 | NeoTron | because the new "stacking" isn't balanced for level 70 content |
| 17:38.23 | nevcairiel | once it hits people will stop being motivated to raid anyway |
| 17:38.32 | nevcairiel | because they know the release is imminent |
| 17:38.32 | NeoTron | except for one thing |
| 17:38.33 | nevcairiel | of wotlk |
| 17:38.42 | NeoTron | archievements from old raid instances! |
| 17:38.47 | nevcairiel | haha yeah |
| 17:38.58 | alestane | Quick! Back to BWL! |
| 17:39.07 | nevcairiel | I got bwl |
| 17:39.11 | nevcairiel | i never got loot from cthun |
| 17:39.12 | nevcairiel | sadly |
| 17:39.14 | NeoTron | I'll try my best to organize a raid of all old BC instances |
| 17:39.23 | ReAn | I guess we'll see this afternoon |
| 17:39.24 | nevcairiel | yeah i'll do the same |
| 17:39.37 | Dashkal | Oh hell yes I had forgot about that. BWL here I come |
| 17:39.38 | NeoTron | Gruul, Mags, SSC (well vashj), TK (kael'thas my favorite) etc |
| 17:39.39 | ReAn | Today is thier typical "patch" day on the beta, so with any luck they'll have something >_> |
| 17:39.49 | NeoTron | and ofc SWP! I want Kil'jaeden fricking dead |
| 17:39.52 | alestane | I'd love to plow back through AQ20 and actually down some bosses in AQ40. |
| 17:40.02 | nevcairiel | i hopefully have all BC content for the achievement |
| 17:40.07 | nevcairiel | i need soem classic stuff, though |
| 17:40.08 | NeoTron | sure we might go in AQ20 with a small group :P |
| 17:40.22 | nevcairiel | because i never got loot <.< |
| 17:40.26 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I don't have any loot from vashj (left), kael'thas and probably not earlier instances |
| 17:40.38 | NeoTron | I have the sword from ARchi and staff/robes from illidan though |
| 17:40.47 | nevcairiel | vashj and kael had a quest |
| 17:40.51 | nevcairiel | did you do it? =P |
| 17:40.58 | NeoTron | oh |
| 17:41.00 | NeoTron | right |
| 17:41.04 | NeoTron | thank good |
| 17:41.06 | NeoTron | god |
| 17:41.12 | NeoTron | got the mags ring too |
| 17:41.18 | NeoTron | did gruul have a quest? |
| 17:41.21 | nevcairiel | i think i never got mags loot |
| 17:41.23 | nevcairiel | nop |
| 17:41.25 | nevcairiel | oh wait |
| 17:41.26 | nevcairiel | he did |
| 17:41.27 | NeoTron | I had the mags ring |
| 17:41.29 | nevcairiel | ssc access |
| 17:41.33 | NeoTron | sweet |
| 17:41.35 | NeoTron | got that down too |
| 17:41.39 | NeoTron | I might actually be good |
| 17:42.03 | nevcairiel | according to my current beta version of myself |
| 17:42.06 | nevcairiel | i need some heroics |
| 17:42.07 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:42.38 | nevcairiel | but cant be sure |
| 17:42.44 | nevcairiel | if it was bugged when i copied |
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| 17:43.05 | NeoTron | mags => attunement to TK |
| 17:43.10 | ReAn | beta achievments are a bit broke still |
| 17:43.17 | ReAn | all my toons have the "Reach Level 80" achievement |
| 17:43.18 | ReAn | lol |
| 17:43.19 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: right! |
| 17:43.37 | nevcairiel | i have illidan loot too |
| 17:43.41 | nevcairiel | so thats no issue =P |
| 17:43.50 | nevcairiel | archimonde, check |
| 17:43.53 | ReAn | nevcairiel: there's a quest for illidumb anyway |
| 17:43.59 | nevcairiel | oh yeah |
| 17:44.00 | nevcairiel | forgot |
| 17:44.04 | nevcairiel | the port neck |
| 17:44.09 | ReAn | yus |
| 17:44.31 | nevcairiel | did cthun have a quest that might save me from going there again? |
| 17:44.48 | nevcairiel | but then, cthun is the most fun boss |
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| 17:44.48 | NeoTron | never did c'thun unfortunately |
| 17:44.54 | NeoTron | well I attempted c'thun.. on my priest |
| 17:44.55 | ReAn | only if you got his eye |
| 17:45.05 | nevcairiel | never had it |
| 17:46.43 | ReAn | I should go kill ony and pick up a T2 helm of some other class and see if it counts me |
| 17:46.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:46.58 | erikd | just get the ony head |
| 17:47.08 | nevcairiel | Yeah i had the head |
| 17:47.11 | ReAn | erikd: i was more in it for the bugtesting |
| 17:47.13 | nevcairiel | oh and i also have the bag |
| 17:47.17 | erikd | ah |
| 17:47.40 | erikd | i never got loot from c'thun so i need to do that and i need to kill KJ |
| 17:47.44 | nevcairiel | Did ragnaros have a quest of sorts? I dont think i still have loot from him |
| 17:47.46 | NeoTron | wonder how long it'd take for 3 people to kill onyxia today |
| 17:47.47 | erikd | then i'll have classic and outland raider |
| 17:47.49 | NeoTron | tank/healer/dps |
| 17:48.02 | erikd | maybe 15 minutes in all |
| 17:48.09 | erikd | we do it for gold |
| 17:48.13 | NeoTron | 150 gold |
| 17:48.44 | nevcairiel | I doubt i'll get outland raider that easily, maybe on L80 finally then |
| 17:48.49 | nevcairiel | stupid muru |
| 17:48.56 | erikd | ^ |
| 17:49.03 | NeoTron | I found the secret to muru winnings |
| 17:49.10 | nevcairiel | take 10 warlocks? |
| 17:49.15 | NeoTron | http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5667/muruloljk3py5.jpg |
| 17:50.06 | NeoTron | I don't think it's a fight that would benefit from 10 warlocks frankly |
| 17:50.10 | NeoTron | 10 shamans perhaps |
| 17:50.18 | nevcairiel | I've seen some WWS with 7 locks |
| 17:50.20 | ReAn | this was always my favorite boss strat pic: http://www.nvguild.org/images/leostrat.jpg |
| 17:50.24 | nevcairiel | all around 3.1k dps |
| 17:50.39 | NeoTron | the locks get high dps because they aoe |
| 17:50.48 | NeoTron | if tey had 7 locks doign that much dps they must have aoe'd the door adds too |
| 17:50.57 | nevcairiel | still, 7 :P |
| 17:51.00 | ReAn | NeoTron: did you see the 3900 dps warlock on the 59 second HAS kill? |
| 17:51.35 | ReAn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XXiGiZA0yc |
| 17:52.14 | Dagmar | That is an awesome strategy diagram |
| 17:52.35 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: sure they are strong for AoE but if you use a more traditional strat, locks aren't the best door dpsers |
| 17:52.47 | NeoTron | and phase 2 is a pain as a lock. OOM... but no health to lifetap. f!@#!#!# |
| 17:52.48 | ReAn | this lock is sick |
| 17:52.51 | ReAn | 12000 shadowbolt |
| 17:52.55 | ReAn | on SOLARIAN |
| 17:53.08 | nevcairiel | I dunno, it looked funny on the wws |
| 17:55.07 | NeoTron | ah they had kael'thas weapons |
| 17:55.40 | NeoTron | wouldn't surprise me if they enchanted them too for that extra omph :P |
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| 18:00.45 | ReAn | still pretty silly |
| 18:00.57 | ReAn | that lock was like 9700, 10100, 12200 in a row |
| 18:01.09 | ReAn | and there was a rogue with 4300 dps |
| 18:01.10 | ReAn | O.o |
| 18:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, that's still 5333.33.. DPS out of the lock |
| 18:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Not like 20k DPS or anything |
| 18:02.25 | End | you don't want that sort of dps anyways |
| 18:02.29 | End | RoS sucks as it is :P |
| 18:02.31 | ReAn | where did anyone say 20k dps? |
| 18:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying that it isn't 100% absurd in comparison to 4300 |
| 18:02.51 | End | (yeah, I know can't get the weapons to other instanceS) |
| 18:02.58 | ReAn | the locks overall dps was 3900 |
| 18:03.44 | NeoTron | in 59s luck has a lot to do with DPS |
| 18:03.57 | ReAn | true enough |
| 18:04.08 | NeoTron | I've had well over 3000 DPS on M'uru before the first sentinel |
| 18:04.17 | NeoTron | it doesn't last though, it's bursty damage of luck |
| 18:04.25 | ReAn | it's still neat |
| 18:04.42 | NeoTron | we once had 3 locks do over 3000 dps pre-sentinel and got muru down below 70% (before doing the "kilrogg eye reset" trick) |
| 18:05.15 | Ac-town | :( i want to clear the sunwell |
| 18:05.25 | NeoTron | don't we all |
| 18:05.26 | Ac-town | to bad when i raded my guild sucked ass |
| 18:05.37 | Ac-town | but then again, the whole server sucked ass |
| 18:06.51 | Ac-town | they dident get to hyjal untill 2.4 |
| 18:06.52 | Ac-town | or bt |
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| 18:11.18 | ReAn | hey tekkub |
| 18:11.31 | Tekkub | :P |
| 18:16.26 | Dagmar | Could be your server just has people with lives outside of WoW |
| 18:16.31 | AckisWork | can lua read arguments from the command line? |
| 18:16.53 | AckisWork | ie: lua foo.lua arg1 arg2 arg3 ? |
| 18:16.58 | End | I think so |
| 18:16.59 | Esine | AckisWork, yes, but it's not applicable to wow addons |
| 18:17.10 | End | it's in os or something like that though |
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| 18:17.19 | AckisWork | aye, not working with a wow addon :) just something I'm dicking around with |
| 18:17.39 | AckisWork | ~pil |
| 18:17.40 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:17.49 | Esine | AckisWork, http://www.lua.org/pil/1.4.html |
| 18:17.55 | Esine | bottom of the page |
| 18:17.59 | AckisWork | hah ty :) |
| 18:18.03 | End | oh |
| 18:18.04 | End | arg |
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| 18:22.27 | Lyn | Industrial, I have such an great idea for my new UFs ... I just want wotlk to come cause I will not change my UI till then XD |
| 18:23.35 | Industrial | heh tell me :O |
| 18:23.46 | Industrial | photoshoop it, write it down |
| 18:24.01 | Lyn | I am photoshopping it atm |
| 18:24.01 | Lyn | xD |
| 18:24.28 | Lyn | it will be a mix of my current UI and something I saw on TV :o |
| 18:25.42 | Industrial | tv? o_O |
| 18:26.06 | Lyn | yep^^ |
| 18:26.22 | Lyn | I dont really get much ideas from other UIs I see |
| 18:26.27 | Lyn | they all mostly look the same so.. |
| 18:26.29 | Lyn | nothing new |
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| 18:27.46 | Lunessa | ... <weakly> station |
| 18:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: more drugs! |
| 18:28.24 | Lunessa | I spent nearly 2 hours in traffic trying to get to work to do a 4 hour shift... |
| 18:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Ouch :( |
| 18:31.26 | malreth | how is houston, today, Lunessa? |
| 18:31.43 | Lunessa | Hot and traffic sucks. |
| 18:31.48 | Lunessa | I'm coming to Austin tonight. |
| 18:32.23 | malreth | cool! |
| 18:32.54 | malreth | staying the entire weekend? |
| 18:33.10 | Lunessa | Yes. Tonight, Sat, Sun & Monday. |
| 18:33.17 | Lunessa | Want to do something? |
| 18:33.43 | malreth | i'm free tonight and saturday... unless we decide to go to kara with our guild |
| 18:34.06 | malreth | sunday, i'm going to a friend's dad's lakehouse for bbq and swimming |
| 18:34.23 | malreth | you're free to come if you want |
| 18:34.27 | Lunessa | I should be there by 9-ish, meeting my friend Rose. |
| 18:34.35 | Lunessa | Dude, that would rule. |
| 18:34.47 | malreth | you just have to bring food and drink for yourself |
| 18:34.53 | Lunessa | Want to get dinner at like Kirby Lane or something? |
| 18:35.00 | malreth | tonight? |
| 18:35.11 | Lunessa | Yeah |
| 18:35.13 | malreth | i'll check with the wife |
| 18:35.17 | Lunessa | Ok. |
| 18:35.27 | malreth | haha, i'm so whipped |
| 18:35.43 | Lunessa | Might see if I can drag my troll of a brother out too... but he's working 'til I don't know when. |
| 18:36.47 | Lopeppeppy | Wish you were coming somewhere near me! |
| 18:37.34 | Dashkal | feral cat druids: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/2/9023610487-energy-regen-change--intended.html |
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| 18:37.45 | Dashkal | last post. *blinks* |
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| 18:38.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! Lunessa rocks my world. |
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| 18:39.19 | malreth | oh that reminds me |
| 18:39.29 | malreth | i was going to finally learn how to make martinis this weekend |
| 18:39.56 | malreth | last time was daquiris |
| 18:41.57 | Lunessa | Dude... I'm a fully trained bartender. |
| 18:42.17 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa makes kickin' drinks. |
| 18:42.27 | Bouvi | I used to be a fully trained drinker :) |
| 18:42.30 | malreth | oh crap man! |
| 18:42.38 | malreth | u teech mee |
| 18:42.46 | Lunessa | Guests to my parties wake up the next day feeling the effects. :P |
| 18:43.31 | Lunessa | I teech u 2 make martinez cocktail. |
| 18:43.57 | malreth | what gin do you recommend? |
| 18:44.04 | malreth | cuz i don't know from gin |
| 18:44.13 | malreth | actually, i can't stand it |
| 18:44.17 | malreth | 'cept in martinis |
| 18:44.49 | malreth | i don't know if the wife is up for dinner tonight, but my mistress can come with |
| 18:45.01 | Lunessa | malreth: Get beef-eaters or tanqueray. |
| 18:45.10 | malreth | kk |
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| 18:49.13 | Dagmar | Be sure to remember to add nail polish so they can get that "home-brewed" flavor |
| 18:50.13 | Lunessa | haha |
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| 18:52.17 | Syzgyn | I cant make drinks, but I do make flavored vodkas |
| 18:52.52 | Lunessa | a few years ago, I went to bar tending school for a lark and to help me pick up weekend work for extra money. |
| 18:53.17 | Lyn | damnit, no idea where to put my buffs |
| 18:53.26 | malreth | Lyn: put them on your head |
| 18:53.40 | Lyn | no |
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| 18:53.45 | Lyn | i put them in my shorts |
| 18:53.55 | Industrial | hawt |
| 18:54.05 | Dave2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.06 | Dave2 | err. |
| 18:55.01 | Syzgyn | Lunessa: how hard was it to find a place willing to let you bartend? |
| 18:55.18 | Lunessa | Not hard at all. |
| 18:55.54 | Lunessa | They had a list of over 100 bars/clubs that had asked for people to tend bar. I got a gig at the second place I applied. |
| 18:55.59 | malreth | martini question: bitters or no bitters? |
| 18:56.02 | Syzgyn | nice |
| 18:56.24 | Lunessa | malreth: No bitters. Bitters is for an "Old Fashioned" not a Martini. |
| 18:56.36 | malreth | okeh |
| 18:56.52 | Lunessa | Gir or Vodka, Dry and Sweet vermouth, olives. |
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| 18:58.00 | malreth | what brand vermouth? |
| 18:58.12 | Lunessa | Pretty much doesn't matter. |
| 18:58.19 | malreth | figured |
| 18:58.40 | Lunessa | You don't use that much vermouth in a martini, but you need both kinds. |
| 18:58.41 | malreth | but both sweet and dry? |
| 18:58.44 | malreth | ok |
| 18:58.45 | Lyn | :O |
| 18:59.03 | Lunessa | You use like 1-2 drops sweet vermouth in every one. |
| 18:59.25 | Lunessa | And you want both Gin and Vodka, I'll teach you to make both. |
| 18:59.37 | Esine | guys.. I have a problem detecting a completed quest, or more specifically, detecting what is the name of the quest the player just finished |
| 19:00.36 | Esine | UNIT_FINISHED fires correctly, but it doesn't say anywhere which quest is it that the player completed. I can't just check which quest is completed but not yet handed in because there may be many of them |
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| 19:01.23 | malreth | i've got half a liter of vodka left from the last gathering |
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| 19:01.57 | Esine | I've been playing around with QUEST_LOG_UPDATE, QUEST_FINISHED, andUNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGED but no luck. It even seems wow doesnt report a quest to be completed after handing it in and calling it in QUEST_LOG_UPDATED |
| 19:01.59 | Syzgyn | Esine: keep track of the status of all the quests, and compare the diff? |
| 19:02.09 | Lunessa | Esine: I think you need to keep a table of the items in the log and compare it after the quest is finished |
| 19:02.12 | Esine | Syzgyn, yes, that has been my original idea, but I just can't get it to work at all |
| 19:02.33 | Esine | Lunessa, oh, reward items? but not all quests even give out rewards |
| 19:02.49 | Lunessa | No, make a table of the items in the quest log. |
| 19:02.53 | Esine | not even xp if you do it high level enough |
| 19:03.04 | Esine | right, yes, I have that |
| 19:03.07 | Lunessa | As in the quests in the quest log. |
| 19:03.29 | Lunessa | Now, when the update is finished, iterate over the log again, and compare that to your last list. |
| 19:03.48 | Lunessa | This will tell you what you completed. |
| 19:04.11 | Esine | hm, actually.. hm.. yeah maybe I could just remove this one check here to make it work.. |
| 19:04.31 | Esine | remember the user may delete the quest manually without handing it in btw |
| 19:04.55 | Esine | but the problem I had/have has something to do with GetQuestLogTitle() returning isCompleted wrong after handing teh quest in |
| 19:04.57 | Esine | or when handing it in |
| 19:05.57 | malreth | @apelad on twitter just noted that McCain/Palin is an anagram for "panic in calm". |
| 19:06.00 | Lunessa | You want to compare your list vs the new list every time an event fires that updates/changes the list. |
| 19:06.12 | Esine | Lunessa, I have that working. I can tell if a quest has been added or removed |
| 19:06.20 | Esine | BUT I can't tell if the removal was because of user action or quest handing in |
| 19:06.29 | Lunessa | Then you're 2/3rds the way there. :D |
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| 19:06.41 | Esine | I've been 2/3 way there for 30 mins now :/ |
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| 19:06.53 | Dashkal | Esine: can't you detect for manual removal specifically? secure hook on whatever func actually abandons a quest? |
| 19:07.05 | Esine | Dashkal, hm.. possibly |
| 19:07.16 | Lunessa | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_AbandonQuest - only happens by user action |
| 19:07.19 | cladhaire | !api ComfirmAbandon |
| 19:07.19 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ComfirmAbandon'. |
| 19:07.25 | cladhaire | ah, thats the one :P |
| 19:07.31 | cladhaire | !api AbandonQuest |
| 19:07.31 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'AbandonQuest' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/AbandonQuest |
| 19:07.48 | Lunessa | Clad is the man though, because he's actually done this, I'm just doing it in theory. |
| 19:09.51 | Lunessa | Like most of the guys on Sports shows, I just comment, I don't actually do. :P (I kid, I kid. But clad is like 100X more experienced at this than I.) |
| 19:10.34 | zenzelezz | this is #wowuidev, not #sports :-o |
| 19:11.07 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: that #lameanalogy |
| 19:11.48 | zenzelezz | no way, I'm not sharing my brilliant humor in another channel as well |
| 19:14.45 | malreth | i don't even have enough of an attention span to keep up with -- HEY! my root beer runned out! |
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| 19:21.54 | Esine | I guess I got it working now. I simply put up a flag when QUEST_FINISHED is fired and if a quest disappears from the quest log and the flag is still up, it's because a quest has been finished. Otherwise it was removed by the user |
| 19:22.30 | Esine | I didn't think it'd be that easy. I'm currently investigating if it there's a way to make it bug |
| 19:22.38 | Esine | aka playing 1-5 belf |
| 19:22.44 | Esine | from lvl 1 to 5 |
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| 19:42.53 | Lunessa | Haha.. cog|away - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336625489&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
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| 19:43.39 | Lunessa | But you all, all forgot this little gem... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5476-MovePad.html |
| 19:44.58 | Arrowmaster | 'One of the Blizzard designers made Movepad, an addon that gives you buttons you can click on to move your character, but those buttons can't be accessed any way other than clicking on them. Nothing with the action bars. ' |
| 19:44.59 | Arrowmaster | no they didnt |
| 19:45.15 | Lunessa | Doh. That'll teach me. |
| 19:45.31 | Lunessa | I missed one. :( |
| 19:46.15 | Arrowmaster | how does movepad even work? |
| 19:46.35 | cladhaire | its secure |
| 19:46.56 | Arrowmaster | aka he cheated? |
| 19:47.11 | Lunessa | Sloken wrote it and signed it. |
| 19:47.12 | cladhaire | its the only secure addon :P |
| 19:47.31 | Lunessa | He used tools we can't. |
| 19:47.34 | Arrowmaster | so since it has buttons to click to move the character..... |
| 19:47.39 | alestane | Slouken got Bliz's permission to distribute it signed due to accessibility issues. |
| 19:47.42 | Arrowmaster | couldnt you make macros to /click those buttons? |
| 19:48.09 | [dRaCo] | no, since you need hardware events to click secure stuff, dont you? |
| 19:48.25 | Lunessa | I suppose. But that would be no different than mashing the arrow key |
| 19:48.27 | Arrowmaster | still triggered by a hardware event isnt it? |
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| 19:48.37 | alestane | You could click them, but how is that better than binding movements to keys? |
| 19:48.51 | Arrowmaster | well it would do what that thread author wanted |
| 19:49.33 | Lunessa | The AddOn was specifically written to help a fellow who had only limited mobility in a single hand and I think only two fingers on that hand. It was a tear-jerker of a thread. |
| 19:52.40 | Tekkub | so these changes to buff stacking and things hitting the whole raid... will spells like Gift of the Wild hit the whole raid in one cast, or will it still be one cast per group? |
| 19:53.36 | Dashkal | Tekkub: Oh I hope so |
| 19:54.08 | Tekkub | I hope so on the playing level, I hope not on the "I have to rewrite Cork's logic, again" level |
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| 19:56.10 | Gngsk | Tekkub, :( |
| 19:56.17 | Gngsk | I was looking forward to the new cork |
| 19:56.20 | Gngsk | will it run on live? |
| 19:56.23 | Tekkub | was? |
| 19:56.28 | Gngsk | well, I am |
| 19:56.34 | Duman | heh |
| 19:56.37 | Duman | isn't it out? |
| 19:56.44 | Tekkub | the build I push out today or so has a compat layer, yes |
| 19:56.52 | Lunessa | I made 79 this morning... And I need more titanium. MOAR! |
| 19:56.54 | Gngsk | I haven't gotten around to updating my addons very much since I took a new job |
| 19:56.59 | Tekkub | no promises of course, but ti should work for the most part |
| 19:57.01 | Gngsk | barely had enough time to raid as it is |
| 19:57.12 | Gngsk | aight, I'll check it out |
| 19:57.25 | Gngsk | from your githubu repo I'd assume? |
| 19:57.32 | Tekkub | specifically, I'm not rewriting the pally blessings module for live |
| 19:57.39 | Tekkub | you only get the 4 from wrath |
| 19:57.57 | Tekkub | if you it it NAOW, yes github |
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| 19:58.28 | Gngsk | ahh, well I don't play a paladin much, though I have one above 60 |
| 19:58.41 | Gngsk | my main atm is a feral druid so it should be fine I'd guess |
| 19:59.40 | Gngsk | wow a screenshot |
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| 20:29.08 | malreth | Lunessa: what time do you plan to get into town here? |
| 20:30.03 | Lunessa | I'm leaving here at 5pm, doing a couple of errands then heading for austin - around 8:30 - (:00ish. |
| 20:30.09 | Lunessa | 9:00-ish |
| 20:30.30 | Lunessa | Errand 1, oil change, errand 2, barber shop to shave my noggin. |
| 20:30.54 | Lunessa | I'm hoping to get the Shave & A Haircut achievement IRL. :P |
| 20:30.56 | malreth | okeh... i've got three cuties that can come to Kerbey. four if you count me. d{*_*}b |
| 20:31.11 | Lunessa | Yeah, but no matter how I hint, you never put out. |
| 20:32.00 | Lunessa | Sounds good. Call you when I get to town? |
| 20:33.35 | malreth | you know my name. look up the number. |
| 20:33.48 | malreth | you know... you know... you know my name.... |
| 20:34.11 | malreth | yes. |
| 20:34.46 | malreth | the girls have been informed. wanna meet at the restaurant? |
| 20:37.39 | Lunessa | Yeah. |
| 20:38.06 | Lunessa | I just have to remember how to get there.... I-35, right? |
| 20:38.19 | malreth | which kerbey lane did you want to go to? |
| 20:38.48 | Lunessa | I have only ever been to the one near campus ... I think. Someone else always drove and I was usually tanked. |
| 20:39.20 | malreth | there's one right on campus... then there's the original one on Kerbey Ln. |
| 20:39.40 | Lunessa | That's the one with the tiny fence? |
| 20:39.48 | Lunessa | And the microscopic parking lot? |
| 20:39.49 | malreth | yes... and impossible parking |
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| 20:40.25 | Lunessa | Yeah, I think that's the one. I'll hi-jack Rose (she's cute, and asian... you'll love her) and meet you there. :) |
| 20:42.01 | NeoTron | welcome to #WoWUIDating |
| 20:42.07 | malreth | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=kerbey+lane+cafe&sll=30.407932,-97.749288&sspn=0.011141,0.017917&ie=UTF8&ll=30.310505,-97.739096&spn=0.044607,0.071669&z=14&iwloc=D |
| 20:42.32 | Bouvi | http://www.bouvi.com/sigs/worldofhumancraft.jpg |
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| 20:43.15 | Lunessa | Bouvi: That... PWNS |
| 20:43.25 | malreth | i'm bringing Jane (wife, who you cannot hit on), Holly (mistress, who i'm mildly protective of), and Manda (cute friend of Holly, flirt at will) |
| 20:47.34 | Lunessa | Sweet |
| 20:47.49 | malreth | i think i've met manda once... |
| 20:47.54 | malreth | i dunno |
| 20:49.45 | Lunessa | I haven't met anyone but Jane. |
| 20:51.12 | Bouvi | Have a good holiday weekend for those of us who get Monday off. |
| 20:51.12 | End | Cairenn should register WoHInterface.com ;-p |
| 20:51.12 | Bouvi | LOL |
| 20:51.54 | malreth | holly: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/479136527/ |
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| 20:54.34 | Lunessa | ... tasty |
| 20:55.08 | NeoTron | so I can't help but wonder why you don't take this conversation to /msg? Not like OT discussions are rare on IRC but this is.. err. way the hell OT? :P |
| 20:55.41 | Lunessa | :P |
| 20:56.01 | Ac-town | lol |
| 20:56.04 | malreth | ~rub NeoTron |
| 20:56.05 | purl | ACTION rubs NeoTron raw. Ooh... That smarts! |
| 20:57.09 | malreth | NeoTron: you not like pictures of cute womens? |
| 20:57.15 | Ac-town | i wish i had friend irl who played wow |
| 20:58.56 | NeoTron | malreth: Oh I don't mind the photos.. hehe |
| 21:00.35 | malreth | http://vpilf.com/ |
| 21:00.46 | alestane | malreth: Who's Barbara? |
| 21:00.54 | malreth | friend of holly's |
| 21:01.46 | malreth | i took photos of her birthday party |
| 21:02.01 | malreth | i wasn't exactly invited... but people knew of me |
| 21:02.08 | malreth | so not exactly crashing either |
| 21:05.42 | alestane | She's cute too. But not like I'm likely to meet her; so I'll just enjoy that there are pictures of effervescent-looking womyn on teh internets. |
| 21:06.06 | Esine | <Ac-town> i wish i had friend irl who played wow <- no really you don't. that stuff gets old so fast |
| 21:06.13 | Ac-town | really? |
| 21:06.14 | Ac-town | lol |
| 21:06.28 | Esine | yes.. every time your friend sees you he's talking about wow this wow that |
| 21:06.33 | alestane | That's who I play with mostly... my wife and one of our best friends. |
| 21:07.08 | Ac-town | ah |
| 21:07.36 | NeoTron | Esine: that's the good thing |
| 21:07.40 | NeoTron | Esine: since I'd do the same |
| 21:08.09 | Lyn | Fisker- |
| 21:08.11 | Lyn | I hate you. |
| 21:08.27 | Esine | not everyone wants to hear how you raided kara with only 2 men and oneshotted the prince |
| 21:08.37 | Ac-town | lol |
| 21:09.39 | Lunessa | lol. Lopepeppy linked a blog about being socially retarded that had a section about that. |
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| 21:12.46 | alestane | I'm frequently in that situation. But we've had to make sure that if their are people there who want to talk about something else, we give them the opportunity to change the subject. |
| 21:13.16 | alestane | The majority of my friends are into gaming pursuits anyway. If I'm with ones who aren't I usually let them set the topics. |
| 21:14.32 | Lunessa | alestane: I'm pretty much down two friends who are into the same geeky things I am. my time is so constrained that the ones who aren't into those things aren't around. And they don't use IRC or play wow. :P |
| 21:16.31 | zenzelezz | just hold onto the ones that matter; or you'll be left with no friends apart from ones that live on the other end of the country/world. Not fun |
| 21:16.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 21:16.46 | Industrial | ^ truth |
| 21:16.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I matter :( |
| 21:16.49 | smcn | yay maintenance |
| 21:17.01 | Shirik|Ecole | hold me zenzelezz |
| 21:17.10 | Industrial | < experiencing this :\ |
| 21:17.40 | zenzelezz | I've been a social retard for a decade, I don't know anything else by now |
| 21:17.43 | alestane | Tel me about it. I have best college friends in Seatlle, Maryland, and South Carolina. |
| 21:18.11 | Industrial | well ept im not socially retarded and go out every week |
| 21:18.13 | Industrial | cept* |
| 21:18.15 | Industrial | xD |
| 21:18.18 | Lunessa | It is a striking truth about my life that the majority of people I consider friends are once I don't get to see often. We're usually separated by vast swaths of geography. |
| 21:18.47 | Dagmar | More soap? |
| 21:19.23 | Dagmar | I know the feeling tho. |
| 21:19.36 | Lunessa | Personal grooming is key. |
| 21:20.42 | Antiarc | We will be taking down the Beta realms at 2:30PM Pacific time today August 29th 2008 to update to the latest build. |
| 21:21.06 | Industrial | you know something is wrong when the first thing you say to a Real(tm) girl is "What server do you play on? Let's roll together and RP". |
| 21:21.09 | |pez| | Augh, man, I feel yesterdays kick-off party might have been a tad much for me. 0.o |
| 21:21.55 | Lunessa | Industrial: ... Or when she says it to you. |
| 21:22.04 | Industrial | =D id so dig it =D |
| 21:22.17 | Industrial | |pez|: heh mine was last week, funfun :3 |
| 21:23.29 | Syzgyn | Antiarc: <333 |
| 21:23.33 | |pez| | Drinking with the teachers is a interesting thing. |
| 21:24.16 | malreth | Dating teachers is even more interesting. |
| 21:24.34 | |pez| | I just hope everyone else was too drunk to remember much of what I said and did yesterday >__> |
| 21:24.37 | Lunessa | Actually, a month a go I met a cute chica, and she asked me which server I played on... out of the blue. |
| 21:24.57 | malreth | |pez|: facebook will always remember what you did |
| 21:25.07 | Industrial | I bet its a new tactic to instantly identify wow-geeks :3 |
| 21:25.15 | malreth | Relationship: We hooked up and it was freaky. |
| 21:25.16 | Lunessa | It works. |
| 21:25.26 | |pez| | malreth: Well, true, but let's hope there was no pictures! |
| 21:25.41 | malreth | there is always that hope |
| 21:26.00 | Industrial | im bored ( |
| 21:26.02 | Industrial | :( |
| 21:26.14 | |pez| | I am too |
| 21:26.15 | sacarasc | play with yourself |
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| 21:26.20 | sacarasc | will take up 2 or 3 minutes |
| 21:26.24 | malreth | Industrial: deploy a dual boot image to these 50 macbooks |
| 21:26.30 | malreth | chop chop |
| 21:26.35 | |pez| | And my body is very hurting. Headbanging is not smart. |
| 21:26.36 | Industrial | for why |
| 21:26.42 | |pez| | Neither is highheeled shoes. |
| 21:26.43 | zenzelezz | sacarasc: just three minutes? Control, control, you must learn control! |
| 21:26.48 | malreth | Industrial: for me... it'll make my life better |
| 21:26.53 | Industrial | for why |
| 21:27.09 | malreth | Industrial: we run a laptop checkout program |
| 21:27.19 | malreth | students can get a laptop for 24 hours |
| 21:27.42 | malreth | we bought a bunch of macbooks to dual boot between leopard and vista |
| 21:29.14 | AckisWork | if you want your ego boosted (or crushed): http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/dlcount/ :P |
| 21:29.15 | Industrial | ew :D? |
| 21:29.25 | malreth | they work |
| 21:29.27 | Industrial | (vista) |
| 21:29.33 | malreth | yeah... ick on that |
| 21:29.41 | Lyn | moo |
| 21:29.46 | |pez| | I love my Vista computer. :P |
| 21:29.55 | malreth | vista threw a wrench in my autodeployment plan |
| 21:30.00 | Industrial | AckisWork: evil |
| 21:30.04 | malreth | it doesn't like it when the BCD is messed with |
| 21:30.32 | AckisWork | Industrial: was a good way for me to learn how to parse web-pages with LUA :P |
| 21:30.34 | malreth | so after the deployment, i have to run a repair install... |
| 21:30.47 | krka | AckisWork: Dude, it's not an acronym! |
| 21:31.04 | AckisWork | lol |
| 21:31.07 | Anaral | AckisWork: I already know that hardly no one from curse uses my addons, wowi, I have a good number in the hundreds, and I don't have my addons at wowui. :p |
| 21:31.15 | Ac-town | how long do transfers take now a days? |
| 21:31.39 | Anaral | Don't do them while the server is down for maintenance. |
| 21:31.49 | AckisWork | Anaral: at least it supports all three sites :) |
| 21:32.05 | Anaral | AckisWork: True true. |
| 21:32.38 | Industrial | im boredboredbored |
| 21:32.41 | Anaral | I don't remember the last time I even looked at WoWUI for addons... |
| 21:32.46 | Industrial | wtb free planetside again or something |
| 21:35.24 | Dewin | I still want a universal addon updater -> |
| 21:35.44 | erikd | jwowupdater |
| 21:36.03 | Dewin | Does it handle addons that are only located on one site? |
| 21:36.20 | Dagmar | Dewin: So the Russian Business Network only has one target to compromise |
| 21:36.26 | Dagmar | Nice of you to make their job easy |
| 21:36.32 | smcn | lolwut |
| 21:36.46 | Dewin | Dagmar: What I'd really like to do |
| 21:36.46 | erikd | no, jwowupdater lets you use mods from wowace, curse, wowi and wowui |
| 21:36.59 | Anaral | Dewin unfortunately no JWU only handles Ace trunk curse and what erikd just said |
| 21:37.03 | Dewin | Is come up with some way of creating an XML file for an addon site (or maybe an author's site) |
| 21:37.06 | Dagmar | There's a _reason_ people keep cautioning folks about using exe's to update addons |
| 21:37.24 | Dewin | That's why I download the source and compile it myself ;) |
| 21:37.40 | Dewin | and dropping it into an updater program that knows how to handle most common download formats and can track dependencies, etc. automagically |
| 21:37.44 | erikd | it'd be kinda hard for them to infect my system through the java vm :) |
| 21:38.10 | Dewin | no, but it can quietly rewrite something into an auto-sell-epics addon |
| 21:38.12 | Dagmar | erikd: Excepting the number of people who are using the Microsoft VM for i |
| 21:38.13 | Dagmar | t |
| 21:38.23 | erikd | they deserve what's coming |
| 21:38.38 | Dewin | people still use the microsoft VM? |
| 21:38.40 | erikd | the ms vm was discontinued years ago, i believe |
| 21:38.47 | Dagmar | Deserved or not, I'm tired of hearing all the asshats whining about having their passwords stolen and their toons pillaged |
| 21:39.05 | Dagmar | Have you ever gone to WindowsUpdate using Mozilla? |
| 21:39.16 | Dagmar | It'll try to get you to install an ActiveX helper. |
| 21:39.31 | Dagmar | Just guess what happens when that's installed for Firefox to use. |
| 21:39.54 | Dewin | That's why I use IE Tab for windowsupdate |
| 21:39.55 | Dagmar | If you are *lucky* you'll get a warning from Spybot S&D saying it just killed a process known as Smitfraud-C.gp, for example. |
| 21:40.14 | Dagmar | Dawin: I'm not talking about using it for WindowsUpdate. I mean just going there ONCE does it |
| 21:40.25 | Dagmar | Guess what else installs similar tools without mentioning it... |
| 21:40.31 | Dagmar | Visual Studio. |
| 21:40.58 | Antiarc | I had an idea the other day |
| 21:41.05 | bleeter | OH NOES! |
| 21:41.05 | Dagmar | If I didn't have some seriously paranoid s**t set up, I would have been pwned last night, just from trying AddonStudio and getting the extra stuff from Microsoft directly |
| 21:41.05 | Antiarc | A browser plugin, that intercepts downloaded ZIPs |
| 21:41.07 | bleeter | FLEE! |
| 21:41.11 | Antiarc | Looks at their listfiles for a .toc file |
| 21:41.11 | zenzelezz | if you don't know how to protect your computer, you shouldn't be using Visual Studio in the first place |
| 21:41.20 | Antiarc | And interprets it as an addon to be installed if it finds one |
| 21:41.27 | Antiarc | So you effectively get the .xpi thing for addons |
| 21:41.31 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: When you've spent years working in computer security, then you can try to lecture me |
| 21:41.32 | Antiarc | without authors having to do anything special |
| 21:41.45 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: I'm not lecturing anyone, I'm stating an opinion |
| 21:42.00 | Dewin | The better way would have it be .wowaddon.zip or .wow as an extension but really jsut be a renamed zip file that's guarunteed to follow the right format |
| 21:42.09 | Dagmar | Antiarc: The problem is still that the sites hosting the updaters aren't doing a very good job of keeping kiddies from trojaning the downloads. |
| 21:42.15 | Dagmar | The things need to be signed, frankly |
| 21:42.21 | Dewin | If I wrote an addon updater I'd publish source |
| 21:42.30 | Antiarc | Dagmar: That'd be one site, incgamers, which has that particular problem |
| 21:42.42 | Dagmar | Antiarc: Curse was hit not once, but twice last year |
| 21:42.54 | Dewin | It's not just wow sites that are hit either |
| 21:42.57 | Dewin | I used to play FFXI |
| 21:42.59 | Antiarc | With what, bad uploads, or server compromises? |
| 21:43.01 | Lunessa | Curse was hit through ads, which really sucked. |
| 21:43.02 | bleeter | can we sign them with debian SSL stuffs? plz plz plz plz |
| 21:43.08 | Antiarc | ^--- ads |
| 21:43.09 | Dagmar | ...but that ActiveX helper being installed without telling me resulted in a nastygram to MS last night |
| 21:43.11 | Dewin | One of the major FFXI database sites got hit with a major browser exploit TWICE. |
| 21:43.14 | Antiarc | incgamers was hit through compromised servers |
| 21:43.24 | Dagmar | Curse was hit through compromised servers. |
| 21:43.26 | Dewin | bleeter: debian SSL certs? You mean the ones that can be brute forced in about 30 seconds? |
| 21:43.33 | Dagmar | The exe updater they had was trojaned twice. |
| 21:43.51 | Dewin | <-- had to deal with the debian SSL 'bugfix' |
| 21:43.57 | Dagmar | The RBN banner ad exploiting wasn't just limited to them. Hell, NYT and MySpace both lost face on that |
| 21:44.00 | Antiarc | I think you're thinking of incgamers, unless the same thing happened to curse and I managed to not hear about it |
| 21:44.11 | Dagmar | Antiarc: Curse, too. |
| 21:44.28 | Antiarc | Have a link to a story on it? I'm surprised I didn't hear about that. |
| 21:44.40 | Dagmar | When WoW gold == IRL Money, IRL Criminals will steal WoW passwords for Money with impunity, knowing the authorities won't be able to do a damn thing about it |
| 21:44.54 | bleeter | most comprimise these days come from, I think, phishing |
| 21:45.17 | Dewin | Or infected picture frames... |
| 21:45.21 | Dagmar | lol |
| 21:46.03 | Dewin | there's been a fairly strong push in the black hat market for things that compromise passwords to MMOs. |
| 21:46.30 | Dewin | Probably because it's lower risk than, say, compromising bank account passwords. |
| 21:48.04 | Dewin | heh, those authenticators aren't even done right. |
| 21:48.15 | malreth | oooh... this'll be good |
| 21:48.16 | Dewin | I like the RSA ones I've seen |
| 21:48.16 | Dagmar | They're done well enough from what I can tell |
| 21:48.22 | Dagmar | It's just dressed-up secureID tokens |
| 21:48.33 | smcn | is there a site that has patch torrents up faster than http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/ ? :x |
| 21:48.49 | Dagmar | Considering they've got a patent on it I'd be suprised if they weren't buying them from RSA |
| 21:48.53 | Dewin | The ones I've seen generate a new ID every 60 seconds |
| 21:48.54 | End | smcn: madness |
| 21:49.02 | Dewin | rather than a new ID every 'click' or whatever. |
| 21:49.22 | Dagmar | Here we were just talking about how trojans make it onto people's PCs, and already there's someone asking where he can get a torrent that will have a trojan in it for him |
| 21:49.23 | malreth | Dewin: ah, yes. |
| 21:49.23 | Dewin | That way, even if someone does manage to get the # off of your thing, they can't use it after a minute |
| 21:49.44 | Dagmar | Dewin: That's how the SecureID tokens work |
| 21:49.57 | Dagmar | It's kind of trivial what they've implemented, but it's strong enough crypto that it does exactly what it says |
| 21:50.00 | Dewin | really? From what I read it wasn't time based it was 'push a button' ased. |
| 21:50.08 | malreth | from what i understand, they support event-triggers... it was on the documentation that was dug up after they were announced |
| 21:50.15 | Dagmar | epoch time modulus 60 + user's key + hashing alg == NUMBAR |
| 21:50.41 | Dewin | I thought it was secure private key + next number from RNG. |
| 21:50.52 | Dewin | basically |
| 21:50.52 | Dagmar | Dawin: You push the button to make a number appear, but the same number should continue to appear (or one from a small subset) every time you push it if you mash it several times in the space of seconds |
| 21:51.05 | Dewin | ahh I see |
| 21:51.06 | Dagmar | No, definitely not quite that simple. |
| 21:51.11 | Dewin | so the button is more of an 'on switch' |
| 21:51.19 | Dagmar | You have to involve a modulus of epoch time in order to get the thing to change over time |
| 21:51.22 | Dewin | I thought it was basically a cryptographically-secure random number generator with a known seed |
| 21:51.29 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 21:51.31 | Dagmar | That would not be secure. |
| 21:51.33 | Dewin | and every 60 seconds it took the next number from the pRNG |
| 21:51.54 | Dewin | Why wouldn't it be? |
| 21:52.05 | Dagmar | I had to deploy a secureID system back in umm... 97 or something like that |
| 21:52.25 | Lunessa | I used to use a SecureID system.. it was "good enough" |
| 21:52.35 | Dagmar | Dewin: For one thing, it wouldn't involve a secret that only the server understands |
| 21:52.51 | Dagmar | It's only by knowing that the user has half the secret and what that secret is that it works |
| 21:53.16 | Dagmar | Think of it like a small device that does a PGP signing on a very short bit of text, that bit of text being epoch time |
| 21:53.38 | Dewin | Makes sense |
| 21:53.39 | Dagmar | Auth token has a keypair, auth server has a keypair. |
| 21:53.41 | Dewin | asymmetric cipher gogogo |
| 21:53.47 | Dagmar | yup |
| 21:53.58 | Lunessa | Time for me to go. See you all later. |
| 21:54.20 | Dagmar | If they didn't have a patent on it I could respect, I'd have long ago pumped out something to clone it in software for people to use with their websites |
| 21:54.25 | Dagmar | ...or over IRC, etc etc |
| 21:54.53 | Dagmar | It's an elegant solution, they've done it well, so I think they deserve to have that patent adhered to. |
| 21:55.12 | Dagmar | PARTICULARLY since trying to get a suit to sign off on some "magic math" they don't understand is like parting the Red F**king Sea. |
| 21:56.59 | Dewin | well, I'm pretty sure that the original suits at RSA have an idea of what the magic math does. |
| 21:57.25 | Dewin | it's not like they're the IT department for a company that doesn't do anything IT |
| 21:57.35 | Duman | yay, build |
| 21:57.36 | malreth | gooooooooood... |
| 21:57.38 | malreth | bye |
| 21:57.40 | Duman | (yes, I know I'm slow) |
| 21:59.45 | Dewin | wow. Getting wireless to work on my new gentoo box wasn't nearly as painful as I thought |
| 21:59.53 | Dewin | now to figure out how to set the WEP key so it doesn't connect to 'bobhomewifi' |
| 22:00.37 | Dagmar | Meh. I can't be any more helpful than "it says in teh docs how to make the key required" |
| 22:00.45 | Dagmar | I cant' remember offhand what the token was |
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| 22:00.56 | Dagmar | NetworkManager has made me _lazy_ about wireless. |
| 22:01.19 | Dewin | well |
| 22:01.31 | Dewin | due to a number of failed installs, this one started as a minimal one to see if I can get it working |
| 22:01.46 | Dewin | I have like a bare skeleton X server running |
| 22:02.10 | Dewin | failed installs because the stock mkfs.ext3 wanted to make 256 byte inode sizes but the stock grub only understood 128 byte inode sizes |
| 22:02.14 | Dewin | so I kept not getting a bootloader that worked |
| 22:02.26 | Dagmar | Gotta love Gentoo |
| 22:02.43 | Dewin | yeah, and it's on a craptacular laptop so... |
| 22:02.49 | Dewin | kernel compilation = at least an hour |
| 22:03.17 | Dagmar | Oh... essid set and 'key on' passwed to iwconfig |
| 22:03.47 | Dewin | heh |
| 22:04.11 | Dewin | after emerge'ing madwifi-ng, I basically just did cp -s /etc/init.d/net.eth0 /etc/init.d/net.ath0 && /etc/init.d/ath0 start |
| 22:04.18 | Dagmar | I gotta mess with wireless skullduggery at the coffee house more, but my gf has exactly ZERO sense of stealth |
| 22:04.43 | Dagmar | There's some asshat who keeps trying to MITM people's connections, and I gotta scrape the rust off my skills so I can figure out who it is and crush some fingers. |
| 22:05.20 | Dewin | with Comcast adding those bandwidth caps maybe I should use bobhomewifi for my torrents.. |
| 22:05.36 | Dagmar | I dunno. The cap they're setting is pretty damn high. |
| 22:05.50 | Dagmar | Even torrent users should be able to keep under it so long as they're choosy about what they grab |
| 22:06.01 | Dagmar | s/torrent users/warez monkeys/; |
| 22:06.23 | smcn | only thing i torrent these days are tv shows and wow patches :P |
| 22:06.23 | AckisWork | how big of cap is it? |
| 22:06.25 | Dewin | I don't know, I have a program that automatically searches TPB for pr0n every hour and downloads it, I might have a problem. (j/k) |
| 22:06.27 | Dewin | 250GB |
| 22:06.32 | AckisWork | shit that's massiv |
| 22:06.32 | Dewin | per month |
| 22:06.33 | AckisWork | e |
| 22:06.34 | smcn | getting rid of comcast soon anyways |
| 22:06.38 | Dewin | I'd like to |
| 22:06.43 | Dewin | but fios isn't here yet |
| 22:06.46 | Dewin | not that I like Verizon much |
| 22:06.47 | Dagmar | Yeah 8Gb porn a night will prolly turn your hands into misshappen claws |
| 22:07.06 | Dewin | but imagine the muscle mass |
| 22:07.08 | Dewin | err |
| 22:07.11 | Dagmar | klol |
| 22:07.15 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 22:10.15 | Industrial | haha, cap |
| 22:10.22 | Anaral | Which is better, bit torrent or utorrent? |
| 22:10.26 | Dewin | utorrent |
| 22:10.30 | Industrial | windows -> utorrent |
| 22:10.34 | Dagmar | I prefer Vuze. |
| 22:10.46 | Dagmar | ...just because the Ministry Of Sound channel pleases me. |
| 22:11.07 | Industrial | vuze is all Integrated Download Experience(tm) bleh :P |
| 22:11.15 | Industrial | like kazaa |
| 22:11.16 | Anaral | Ah |
| 22:11.22 | Dagmar | Ah but it's also equal parts of Techno + Hot Chix == YAY |
| 22:11.32 | Anaral | Do not want Kazaa |
| 22:11.36 | Dagmar | I've never had a problem just deleteing the ad it downloads. :) |
| 22:11.55 | zenzelezz | µTorrent is just about sexy enough to print out and hang on your wall |
| 22:12.07 | Anaral | Lol |
| 22:12.12 | zenzelezz | tiny, but got it where it counts |
| 22:13.31 | Dewin | ^ |
| 22:13.36 | Maldivia | ohh, beta down for patch? |
| 22:13.39 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 22:13.49 | nevcairiel | this time with blue post! |
| 22:13.55 | nevcairiel | so no speculation |
| 22:14.10 | Maldivia | wee |
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| 22:14.34 | Maldivia | have a downloader yet? |
| 22:14.45 | nevcairiel | didnt see one yet |
| 22:16.16 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/85efaa924cc4e72cdc113b212069806f.png :P |
| 22:16.27 | nevcairiel | oh man, lol @ the speculation, every beta patch from now they'll come with "oh 3.0.2 now maybe?" |
| 22:16.32 | nevcairiel | talents are not done yet! :P |
| 22:17.38 | Industrial | I demand more bandwidth usage :( |
| 22:17.50 | Industrial | 2300kbps and it uses 150.. |
| 22:18.17 | Industrial | and I capped up 150/200kbps but its not using that either :S |
| 22:19.24 | Maldivia | hmm... doesn't look like a patch is up yet... my scanned didn't find anythinh :| |
| 22:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, we have a patch day? |
| 22:19.47 | nevcairiel | yessum |
| 22:19.48 | smcn | yar |
| 22:19.59 | Maldivia | "We will be taking down the Beta realms at 2:30PM Pacific time today August 29th 2008 to update to the latest build. " |
| 22:20.15 | erikd | i see mai hime in there! |
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| 22:23.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Bibi] by ChanServ |
| 22:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have a new build number? |
| 22:25.37 | bleeter | pi*e |
| 22:25.42 | Fisker- | your mother ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:25.51 | Dagmar | Or, when typed correctly, "nine". |
| 22:26.05 | Dewin | bleeter: no, it's (pi*e)/i |
| 22:26.08 | Maldivia | SB1: I've checked a lot of build numbers, no hit so far :| |
| 22:27.22 | Arrowmaster | i should install 8820 |
| 22:27.30 | Arrowmaster | still havent done that |
| 22:27.53 | bleeter | I'm gunna miss 8820 |
| 22:28.12 | bleeter | won't feel like beta unless we go back to crashing every 5 mins ;) |
| 22:28.48 | Anaral | I can't find my router model # in http://www.portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/Utorrent/Utorrentindex.htm list. I have a DLink BEFSR41v4.2, which guide should I use? |
| 22:30.10 | Arrowmaster | BEFSR41 is a linksys model |
| 22:31.18 | Anaral | >.< |
| 22:31.27 | Anaral | Yeag I'm bright tonight |
| 22:36.09 | Sixen | So is it a new build? |
| 22:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the theory - the build number no one knows yet :) |
| 22:36.38 | nevcairiel | Sixen: blue post said it would |
| 22:37.20 | Sixen | Very nice. |
| 22:38.27 | Antiarc | No download yet? |
| 22:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 22:38.39 | Antiarc | phooey |
| 22:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Not even via poking in the special places :( |
| 22:39.08 | Antiarc | Show me on the doll where ScytheBlade1 telnetted you |
| 22:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 22:39.33 | smcn | lol |
| 22:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I'm just using bash loops + wget >_> |
| 22:39.45 | bleeter | port 69? |
| 22:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | DHCP isn't something that I can telnet, sorry |
| 22:40.41 | Dagmar | No, you don't. |
| 22:40.48 | Dagmar | Sorry, man. |
| 22:40.52 | Dagmar | 69 is TFTP. |
| 22:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 22:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Gah |
| 22:41.00 | Dagmar | heh |
| 22:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I always confuse those >< |
| 22:41.12 | Dagmar | 67 & 68 are DHCP |
| 22:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I play with PXE a lot, so I always open, yeah |
| 22:41.25 | Dagmar | TFTP is more fun |
| 22:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 67-69 |
| 22:41.39 | Antiarc | cat /etc/services | grep 69 |
| 22:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev RockSlice (i=kvirc@c-76-123-69-54.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 22:41.40 | Antiarc | :V |
| 22:41.41 | Dagmar | Why poison a DNS entry when you can poison a boot image. ;) |
| 22:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:41.47 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:41.53 | ScytheBlade1 | or just provide a legit boot image ;) |
| 22:42.01 | Dagmar | I have one for DBAN here. |
| 22:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | DBAN is win |
| 22:42.09 | Dagmar | It'll be a *laugh riot* in late October |
| 22:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | My friend has a tendancy of leaving DBAN CDs around unlabeled in computer labs |
| 22:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | He's also a terrible person |
| 22:42.35 | Dagmar | Man thta'e vil |
| 22:42.49 | Dagmar | He should label them. |
| 22:43.00 | Dagmar | "Quake 4 bootable test demo" |
| 22:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:43.09 | Dagmar | "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE" |
| 22:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I had |
| 22:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 22:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | goatse in .exe format |
| 22:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And what it did was go through your background, icons, screensaver, mouse pointers |
| 22:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything |
| 22:43.41 | Dagmar | wow |
| 22:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And repalce it with... yeah |
| 22:43.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Larana (n=Anaral@ip68-228-143-183.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 22:43.50 | Dagmar | Ruthelessness. You can has it. |
| 22:43.50 | Antiarc | Hahaha, wow |
| 22:43.52 | Antiarc | That's hardcore. |
| 22:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | *replace |
| 22:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 22:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 22:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | This exe got out of my hands |
| 22:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And on to a "Halo PC crack" CD that was passes around at a LAN party in calgary |
| 22:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Which had an autorun.inf to toss said .exe into Programs\Startup |
| 22:44.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Wellllllllllll |
| 22:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 22:44.45 | Antiarc | The most malicious exe I ever wrote was a little DLL that would move the mouse a couple of pixels every so often |
| 22:44.58 | Antiarc | Down and to the left. Down and to the left. |
| 22:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you can well imagine what happened after that CD was passed around |
| 22:45.09 | Antiarc | That one was fun in the computer lab. |
| 22:45.50 | Fisker- | need a dispenser here |
| 22:46.05 | Antiarc | eng inc |
| 22:46.20 | Antiarc | Spy's sappin' mah sentry! |
| 22:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:46.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And then the mouse moves |
| 22:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, said goatse.exe |
| 22:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That's up there with unlabeled DBAN discs |
| 22:47.36 | Antiarc | Today at 1pm Japan Time, Square Enix will be outlining its plans for a friendly takeover troubled game maker Tecmo. |
| 22:48.06 | Antiarc | Kingdom Hearts 3: Now with realistic DoA Boob Physics. |
| 22:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 22:49.29 | smcn | for the furries |
| 22:50.03 | bleeter | hmm, is this a stupid idea? a new 'category' for quests. 'unavailable'. the quest giver ! turns black, quest gets flagged 'unavailable' in your quest logs. This flag would be set by, say, a GM when there's a known bug with a quest. It'd stop people picking up the quest, or if people already have the quest they'd know there's some kinda problem with it so not to bother trying to complete (or as /general 'Is 'It goes to 11 broken?'. |
| 22:50.07 | Antiarc | All I'm sayin' is Tifa + DoA could be interesting |
| 22:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "interesting" |
| 22:50.38 | Antiarc | Stimulating? |
| 22:50.41 | Antiarc | Titilating? |
| 22:50.44 | Antiarc | :V |
| 22:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure I'm done with that line of thought |
| 22:53.09 | bleeter | so.. not a totally stupid thought, the above, then? |
| 22:57.01 | Dagmar | No, just an ecchi one |
| 22:57.35 | Dagmar | I call Rule 34 to the stand. |
| 22:57.37 | Dashkal | bleeter: for the most part, a flag would be cool. However some of those quests aren't _entirely_ broken |
| 22:57.55 | Dashkal | the plane/grapple/bags of stuff one, for example |
| 22:58.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Nargiddley (n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 22:58.21 | Dashkal | I scopped in after a server crash and completed it before it broke again |
| 22:58.29 | bleeter | Dashkal: aye. I mean, yes it'd be handy on beta. I think it'd also be handy on Live, stop the 'omg can't this quest to work' GM tickets |
| 22:58.45 | bleeter | Dashkal: where the only GM response can be 'sorry' |
| 22:59.11 | Dashkal | each one can lead to another bump of the appropriate internal ticket :p |
| 22:59.18 | Dagmar | Not true. |
| 22:59.25 | Dagmar | In a beta, GMs can say "Thanks for reporting that" |
| 22:59.46 | bleeter | which is the point in time it gets flagged 'unavailable' ;) |
| 22:59.47 | Dashkal | "Known Issue" |
| 23:00.32 | Dashkal | Once upon a time in vanilla I reported a texture bug in the standard barracks building. Ever notice that the basement has a wooden ceiling with light peeking through? The floor up has a stone floor. |
| 23:00.36 | Dashkal | "Known Issue" |
| 23:00.53 | Dagmar | Them getting a lot of reports, or only a few reports, lets them triage |
| 23:01.11 | Dashkal | I promptly realized that any kind of reports to GMs on live were pointless. |
| 23:01.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Sarahendipity (n=Anaral@ip68-228-143-183.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 23:02.38 | Anaral | Is there anyway for utorrent to 'watch' for torrents before they're up or do I have to wait on http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/ to update. |
| 23:02.54 | Dagmar | YOu have to wait |
| 23:03.20 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 23:03.32 | Dagmar | Of course, if you'd like to help beta test new and improved keyloggers and trojans, by all means keep monitoring that URL |
| 23:03.42 | Antiarc | Are you new here? |
| 23:03.42 | Anaral | lol |
| 23:03.57 | Anaral | New to torrents, Antiarc |
| 23:04.03 | Antiarc | U meant Dagmar |
| 23:04.05 | Antiarc | I* |
| 23:04.08 | Anaral | lol |
| 23:04.10 | Antiarc | Because that URL is quite trusted. |
| 23:04.17 | Dagmar | Does someone at BLizzard run that torrent site? |
| 23:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be my server :) |
| 23:04.25 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1 does |
| 23:04.29 | Dagmar | Is that torrent site in ANY way beholden to Blizz if a bogus torrent appears? |
| 23:04.37 | Antiarc | And he's been performing a mirror service for...well, years. |
| 23:04.42 | Dagmar | Are they in any way beholden to *you* if you get bad goods from them? |
| 23:04.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Not quite years, but quite a while |
| 23:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | If you don't trust it, verification is actually simple (on a PC) |
| 23:05.14 | *** join/#wowuidev leethal (n=leethal@cm-84.215.134.225.getinternet.no) |
| 23:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Right-click the file that you download via the .torrent, Properties, Digitial Signatures, click the signature and then hit 'Properties' |
| 23:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll check the signature on the file to verify that what you downloaded has not been modified since it left Blizzard's internal systems |
| 23:06.05 | bleeter | did blizz sign it with debian ssl tho?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 23:06.08 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me no ;) |
| 23:06.25 | bleeter | FALE |
| 23:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaral: in any case, I run that server. If you EVER encounter a file with a problem, or that you suspect is not 100%, let me know and I'll take it down and *then* investigate pretty much that very second |
| 23:07.50 | Icecoldcoke | wuts goin' on in here. |
| 23:08.04 | erikd | you can even look at some of the peers and some will be from blizzard |
| 23:08.15 | erikd | i got the 8820 build from that |
| 23:08.21 | Dagmar | I'd buy that ScytheBLade isn't likely to pimp out questionable goods |
| 23:08.28 | ScytheBlade1 | OR AM I |
| 23:08.46 | erikd | scythe: was it you that was playing mysqlgame? |
| 23:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | (But seriously, all the files that are there I've put there personally, and I review the security on that server daily) |
| 23:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It was, and I gave up due to newbie ganking |
| 23:09.07 | Anaral | ScytheBlade1: Heh, I trust the site or I wouldn't have downloaded utorrent. |
| 23:09.09 | erikd | ah =/ |
| 23:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaral: just saying :) |
| 23:09.24 | Dagmar | I think it would be funny to see how many people couldn't answer who the CA for that signature is tho |
| 23:09.30 | erikd | i'm doing pretty good, i have 3 rows that generate about 150k per day in fuel and money |
| 23:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: die :( |
| 23:09.43 | erikd | you should try again |
| 23:09.46 | Anaral | So is there a way to set up utorrent to watch for new torrents from your site? |
| 23:09.54 | erikd | are you on shard 1? |
| 23:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If I went and coded an RSS feed for it, yes, Anaral - but I'm *much* too lazy to do that |
| 23:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: no, 2 |
| 23:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 23:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Technically both |
| 23:10.18 | erikd | ah, doh |
| 23:10.19 | Anaral | Lol, fair enough. |
| 23:10.33 | erikd | if you're on 1 i can send you some money to build up defenses |
| 23:10.43 | Anaral | As I stated, I'm new to torrents, so don't know the capabilities of it. |
| 23:11.04 | erikd | just get like 7 defense multiplier and 7k defenders and nobody can do anything to you |
| 23:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: eh I'm only so interested in it, mostly due to the mechanics |
| 23:11.08 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: blizz hasnt been signing beta patches |
| 23:11.09 | Antiarc | Just grab wowtorrentex and rip the torrents from Blizzard's exe |
| 23:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: every - EVERY single windows patch that I've ever seen from them have been signed |
| 23:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | OSX ones aren't |
| 23:11.46 | Arrowmaster | well their updater hasnt been signed for beta |
| 23:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart WoW OSX devs |
| 23:11.51 | purl | nukes WoW OSX devs with a single large nuke |
| 23:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | The updater itself never is |
| 23:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The file it downloads always is |
| 23:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, I mirror the torrents and the patches - not the downloaders |
| 23:12.24 | Arrowmaster | every time you run the patch it creates an installer in your temp files thats not signed, and keeps forcing me to disable my antivirus to install patches |
| 23:12.27 | Dagmar | I'll hazard a guess that Verisign are just being pricks about not signing OSX files |
| 23:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: I'd guess more like OSX decided to get with the game and allow you to sign apps with 10.5 (aka very recently) |
| 23:13.06 | cncfanatics | wow, furor got a GIGANTIC buff |
| 23:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | (And not previously) |
| 23:13.09 | Anaral | Antiarc: What is a good site to get it from? |
| 23:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaral: wowwiki.com/Blizzard_Downloader |
| 23:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Linked at the bottom |
| 23:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Comes with source |
| 23:13.57 | Antiarc | Anaral: CapnBry's the author of it, comes with source |
| 23:14.35 | Anaral | Otay, knew the name was familar, but wasn't sure if his was the one or something else. |
| 23:16.44 | Syzgyn | I know, fail :( |
| 23:17.17 | nevcairiel | I better sleep now, wake up in about 6-7 hours, then the servers will be up too |
| 23:17.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-68-172-80-6.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:17.19 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 23:17.28 | bleeter | hmm sounds like a point in time to go do all those lvl 70 solo quests I ain't done yet... get the gold<>xp conversion before I 'lose' it |
| 23:17.35 | smcn | it's funny that we obsess so much about having the patch hours before the servers even come up :) |
| 23:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa |
| 23:17.39 | ScytheBlade1 | " As an update to this, the Zul'Aman Bear Mount will be removed with the upcoming content patch, prior to Wrath of the Lich King" |
| 23:17.50 | End | I expected that |
| 23:17.51 | Dagmar | FAIL TROLL IS FAIL |
| 23:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, poor bear. |
| 23:17.57 | End | they've already removed it from the loot table\ |
| 23:18.02 | bleeter | bearly surprising |
| 23:18.10 | Lopeppeppy | Baaad bleeter |
| 23:18.11 | End | bleeter: how punny |
| 23:18.12 | nevcairiel | If you have the bear, you'll keep it |
| 23:18.20 | End | well yes |
| 23:18.23 | nevcairiel | theyll just remove it from the drop box |
| 23:18.26 | End | but no more new burrs |
| 23:18.37 | ScytheBlade1 | We just need to stop giving the bear to the random healers we pickup |
| 23:18.38 | nevcairiel | and they announced that before already |
| 23:18.40 | Syzgyn | They announced that a long time ago |
| 23:18.45 | End | ^ |
| 23:18.50 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (i=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 23:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | We've pulled in randoms four times, and given four bears away :( |
| 23:18.57 | Syzgyn | Ouch... |
| 23:19.03 | nevcairiel | dont let randoms roll? =P |
| 23:19.06 | smcn | lolwut |
| 23:19.08 | Syzgyn | Sell the spot |
| 23:19.12 | ScytheBlade1 | They pulled their weight |
| 23:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: not everyone in the group has a bear yet |
| 23:19.25 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: which realm, lemme TX and pug into your group!!! |
| 23:19.27 | Syzgyn | So? |
| 23:19.27 | nevcairiel | I dont have one either, yet. I plan to have one before the patch, though |
| 23:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: Doomhammer. |
| 23:19.48 | Syzgyn | If they dont get it, they dont pay :P |
| 23:20.02 | Syzgyn | Guild on Kel'Thuzad sells bears for 7k currently :V |
| 23:20.14 | End | I think it's like 4k on Bonechewer |
| 23:20.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not terrible |
| 23:20.24 | Syzgyn | Its high |
| 23:20.39 | End | I could afford a bear, but I don't particularly care...if I get one, I want to do it with my guild |
| 23:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Drow (now famous for their M'uru strat) on my server sold them for 5k each for quite a while |
| 23:20.43 | Syzgyn | My guild is gonna start selling em for 5 soon :P |
| 23:20.52 | Dagmar | Okay, I would definitely buy one for 5k |
| 23:20.54 | End | unfortunately, we have a lack of tanks who seem to want bears |
| 23:21.03 | Dagmar | It would just take awhile to collect that again |
| 23:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | They stopped when they realized that they had more money than they knew what to do with |
| 23:21.09 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 23:21.10 | smcn | 7k? that doesn't make any sense, 777.777 gold for each person in the raid? (repeating of course) |
| 23:21.25 | ScytheBlade1 | smcn: or it goes to the guild bank |
| 23:21.30 | Dagmar | smcn: THey can fight to the death over the silver |
| 23:22.06 | Syzgyn | I think we planned it out to something like 1k out of the 5 goes to the gbank, then the rest of the 4 gets split up, so 444.44 each |
| 23:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | We have a build number! |
| 23:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But still no patch :( |
| 23:23.45 | Arrowmaster | how do you know? |
| 23:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 'cause I'm special |
| 23:24.08 | Dagmar | Ms. Cleo said so |
| 23:24.53 | Arrowmaster | none of the version servers have an updated PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 23:25.36 | End | Arrowmaster: don't think that's true |
| 23:25.45 | End | eu does, and I think one of the us ones had it |
| 23:25.47 | Arrowmaster | i have each one open in a different tab |
| 23:25.50 | End | ah |
| 23:25.54 | Arrowmaster | well the us ones |
| 23:25.55 | End | weird |
| 23:26.01 | End | I thought I got a result from a us one |
| 23:26.08 | Anaral | What's the build #? |
| 23:26.11 | ScytheBlade1 | 8885 |
| 23:26.12 | End | it was just the old PatchSequence file though |
| 23:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, got it |
| 23:27.09 | End | ScytheBlade1: <3 |
| 23:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Oddly I'll have the full .exe before I'll have the .torrent |
| 23:27.11 | Maldivia | with a little help :) |
| 23:27.14 | Antiarc | gief |
| 23:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 23:27.17 | Anaral | wow |
| 23:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | <3 @ Maldivia |
| 23:27.26 | End | fine |
| 23:27.27 | End | Maldivia: <3 |
| 23:27.29 | Anaral | I need to learn this sniffing thing. lol |
| 23:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: pulling it down over my "well connected" server first :) |
| 23:27.32 | End | I can spread the <3 |
| 23:27.38 | End | ;-) |
| 23:27.41 | Syzgyn | <3 all around! |
| 23:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Already @ 250 pieces |
| 23:27.48 | Maldivia | nice |
| 23:28.02 | Arrowmaster | you dont have the torrent yet? |
| 23:28.06 | End | lol |
| 23:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I do not |
| 23:28.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The files I pull those from are still 404 |
| 23:28.38 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:28.48 | Arrowmaster | what are you downloading from then? |
| 23:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a big one... |
| 23:29.10 | Syzgyn | how big? |
| 23:29.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure yet |
| 23:29.51 | ScytheBlade1 | At least 184320kb so far |
| 23:30.02 | Antiarc | The last one was 600 something, wasn't it? |
| 23:30.12 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 23:30.12 | ScytheBlade1 | irc |
| 23:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | *iirc |
| 23:30.31 | Syzgyn | Last one took 2GB of actual space :( |
| 23:30.42 | Maldivia | build 8820 patch was 667 for enUS and 749 for enGB |
| 23:31.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah i had to uninstall stuff to make enough room to update |
| 23:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 345600kb... |
| 23:32.49 | Icecoldcoke | Where are you downloading the patch from? |
| 23:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The webseed |
| 23:33.19 | Arrowmaster | you dont have a torrent but your downloading from the webseed? |
| 23:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 23:33.28 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: under 2000 though |
| 23:34.07 | Maldivia | ok, so only 370mb? |
| 23:34.08 | Arrowmaster | somebody at blizzard is probably looking going 'wtf somebody is downloading from the webseed already? we havent put the patch out yet!' |
| 23:34.27 | Anaral | lol |
| 23:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually they use akami for their webseeds |
| 23:34.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 23:34.35 | Antiarc | Maybe they're just piping /dev/random |
| 23:34.58 | Arrowmaster | their real torrent seeds are so much faster than the webseeds |
| 23:35.11 | Dashkal | mother bear is interesting |
| 23:35.21 | Diao | hmm |
| 23:35.27 | Diao | anyone know what the new hunter's mark does? |
| 23:35.33 | Dashkal | -4% or -5% damage in Dire Bear Form |
| 23:35.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: my /dev/random is leet, it generates signed binaries |
| 23:35.36 | End | Diao: ranged only I thought? |
| 23:35.58 | Diao | well on mmo-c it says "no longer increases ap bonus from attacks against the target" |
| 23:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 kyle kyle 459M Aug 29 19:35 patch.exe |
| 23:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | HTTP mirror of enUS in a sec |
| 23:36.21 | Icecoldcoke | ICECROWN OPENING YES? |
| 23:36.22 | Arrowmaster | Diao: meaning the imp hunters mark talent |
| 23:36.25 | Syzgyn | hawt |
| 23:36.26 | Diao | er |
| 23:36.27 | Diao | no |
| 23:36.35 | Diao | # Hunter's Mark: No longer increases attack power bonus from attacks against the target. |
| 23:36.35 | Diao | # Improved Hunter's Mark: No longer grants melee attack power. |
| 23:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's up |
| 23:36.38 | Arrowmaster | hunters mark doesnt give ap anyway |
| 23:36.55 | Arrowmaster | it gives rap |
| 23:37.02 | erikd | 8885, eh? |
| 23:37.06 | Diao | i know |
| 23:37.08 | Icecoldcoke | 3.0.2 hmm. |
| 23:37.10 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.12 | Icecoldcoke | PTR inc |
| 23:37.12 | Diao | but what does that text mean lol |
| 23:37.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Eat your heart out, you filthy animal! |
| 23:37.21 | Diao | if it never gave melee ap to begin with |
| 23:37.27 | Antiarc | Imp Hunter's Mark did |
| 23:37.32 | Antiarc | Hutner's Mark didn't |
| 23:37.40 | Diao | lol |
| 23:37.43 | Diao | i realize that -.- |
| 23:37.49 | Diao | but there are 2 separate notes |
| 23:37.54 | Diao | one is for imp hunter's mark no longer giving melee ap |
| 23:37.55 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: how do you know its 3.0.2? |
| 23:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: sorcery |
| 23:38.07 | End | ScytheBlade1: thanks! :D |
| 23:38.10 | Diao | and the other is for regular hunter's mark no longer "increasing ap bonus from attacks against target" |
| 23:38.12 | Antiarc | Thanks, ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:38.12 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: because I told hom :) |
| 23:38.17 | Syzgyn | Wooo fast |
| 23:38.19 | smcn | No longer increases attack power bonus from attacks against the target. <-- currently the AP bonus from hunter's mark increases as you attack the target |
| 23:38.22 | Arrowmaster | that or he ran it i guess |
| 23:38.34 | Antiarc | 800kb/s sexytime |
| 23:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 23:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'm maxing out at least three lines then |
| 23:38.52 | Diao | oh so it's just a flat increase that doesn't go up? |
| 23:38.53 | Anaral | Boo, I'm only getting 356 |
| 23:39.03 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: make it go faster |
| 23:39.03 | Syzgyn | 560 rawr |
| 23:39.10 | erikd | i'm at 850 too |
| 23:39.13 | erikd | i was... |
| 23:39.13 | Arrowmaster | its not capping my download wtf |
| 23:39.16 | erikd | now i'm at 700 |
| 23:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: my line is capped, antiarc's is capped.. ;) |
| 23:39.20 | smcn | Places the Hunter's Mark on the target, increasing the ranged attack power of all attackers against that target by 300 and by an additional 30 each time they are struck by a ranged attack, up to a maximum of 1200. |
| 23:39.23 | erikd | STOP STEALING THE BANDWIDTH |
| 23:39.25 | smcn | the bolded part is what's changing |
| 23:39.26 | Arrowmaster | mine isnt |
| 23:39.28 | Antiarc | MUAHAHA |
| 23:39.29 | Arrowmaster | go away fuckers |
| 23:39.34 | Antiarc | YUOR BANDWIDTHS |
| 23:39.34 | Arrowmaster | my line isnt capped |
| 23:39.35 | Antiarc | GIVE THEM TO ME |
| 23:39.36 | Diao | rt |
| 23:39.44 | Diao | nothing's bolded, but i get what you mean now :p |
| 23:39.50 | Antiarc | Spy's sappin' mah bandwidths! |
| 23:39.55 | smcn | :P |
| 23:40.01 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: is the server capped yet? |
| 23:40.06 | Anaral | Lol |
| 23:40.10 | Diao | they really killed melee buff stacks :( |
| 23:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: shouldn't be, it's on a 100mbit line with like 6 backbones feeding to it |
| 23:40.38 | Arrowmaster | its broken if im only getting 600-700 |
| 23:40.43 | smcn | mine's fluctuating between 400 and 600, of course 600 is pretty much my max with shitcast |
| 23:40.44 | Syzgyn | Onoes its slowing down |
| 23:40.46 | Antiarc | Diao: But they'll balance around it, hopefully. |
| 23:40.53 | Antiarc | I'm at 600 kb/s now |
| 23:40.54 | Arrowmaster | my cap is 835 |
| 23:40.54 | Diao | yeah |
| 23:40.54 | erikd | i stole it from you syz |
| 23:40.57 | Syzgyn | D: |
| 23:40.58 | Antiarc | I'm willing all you people off the internet |
| 23:40.59 | erikd | i went back up to 850 |
| 23:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd go tune the server BUT I'd have to restart apache to do so |
| 23:41.06 | Antiarc | WOO 750! |
| 23:41.08 | Syzgyn | 500 and dropping |
| 23:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And that'd probably piss people off :) |
| 23:41.13 | Maldivia | and in 11 minutes SB1 is going to find out he fucked up the putting the file together, so we all have to download it anew :) |
| 23:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:41.21 | Diao | i have a funny feeling warriors are going to do exactly the same damage in wrath as they did in vanilla wow and in bc with much better gear/weapons |
| 23:41.29 | Diao | :( |
| 23:41.31 | Syzgyn | THEYS STEALIN MAH BANDSWITHS |
| 23:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | cat {1..18xx} >> patch.exe |
| 23:41.35 | Antiarc | Diao: I play a rogue, we currently suck, have a nice day. :D |
| 23:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure I got the order right :) |
| 23:41.40 | Icecoldcoke | Mine's been a steady 900kb/s. |
| 23:41.40 | Diao | lol |
| 23:41.42 | Anaral | Why are some of us in the lower 300s and others in the 800s, assuming we're all on cable. |
| 23:41.43 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: no 0 ? |
| 23:41.46 | Diao | has murder spree been implemented yet |
| 23:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Err no, I added the 0 |
| 23:41.49 | Antiarc | No |
| 23:41.53 | Diao | lol |
| 23:41.54 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: got the patch notes from that up yet? ;) |
| 23:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | [kyle@averageurl wow-patch]$ cat {0..1832} >> patch.exe |
| 23:41.56 | Diao | i can guess |
| 23:41.58 | Diao | it won't make it out of beta |
| 23:41.59 | Diao | ever |
| 23:41.59 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: still downloading |
| 23:42.04 | Diao | it's way too op in concept :P |
| 23:42.04 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: FALE |
| 23:42.05 | Antiarc | I suspect it won't |
| 23:42.09 | Syzgyn | stable at 460 now |
| 23:42.10 | Antiarc | It's not really that OP |
| 23:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Whomever gets it first |
| 23:42.13 | alestane | Still waiting for my OSX beta client to get past "Connected" |
| 23:42.27 | Diao | 5x attacks with both weapons in 2.5 sec? |
| 23:42.28 | Antiarc | Max it's going to do like 8, 9k damage, if everything crits |
| 23:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: not on the patch servers yet... once I can get the OSX patch I'll throw up the .torrent |
| 23:42.30 | Diao | it's like 5 mutilates |
| 23:42.34 | Antiarc | And people have 22k+ health in blues |
| 23:42.37 | Antiarc | Mutilate has damage bonuses. |
| 23:42.41 | Antiarc | Murder spree doesn't. |
| 23:42.41 | Diao | without the dagger requirement/positioning/whatever |
| 23:42.48 | Antiarc | Mutilate also gets +15% crit |
| 23:42.55 | Diao | mm |
| 23:43.02 | Diao | true |
| 23:43.12 | Antiarc | Mutilate also gets Find Weakness and Imp KS |
| 23:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: yeah the patch MPQs are still 404ing, and I can't assemble the OSX patch like the windows one due to the .app format being a directory |
| 23:43.15 | Antiarc | Which jack its damage up |
| 23:43.19 | Diao | well casters will dominate early i guess |
| 23:43.32 | Diao | and once late raid items/arena season 8 or whatever come out then it'll be melee again |
| 23:44.22 | Antiarc | - Cloak of Shadows: Cooldown increased to 2 minutes. (Elusiveness now reduces this cooldown to 1 minute.) |
| 23:44.25 | Antiarc | ......... |
| 23:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | As a mage |
| 23:44.36 | Diao | but it's funny how by the end of vanilla wow, warriors were hitting 4k+ crits.. then in bc.. near the end now, we're barely hitting 3k crits... in wrath it'll go down again? :( |
| 23:44.38 | Arrowmaster | fucking sub 300 speed now |
| 23:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I can happily say HAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:44.42 | Antiarc | - Evasion, Sprint, Vanish: Cooldown reduced to 3 minutes. (Talents that reduce cooldown take this down to 2 minutes.) |
| 23:44.50 | Antiarc | - Mutilate: No longer requires you be behind the target. |
| 23:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Okat that change I really support |
| 23:44.52 | Antiarc | HELLO |
| 23:44.54 | Antiarc | HELLO-OOOOO |
| 23:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That was needed for a long time |
| 23:44.56 | Diao | lol |
| 23:45.02 | Diao | muti with no positioning.. |
| 23:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have the full patch yet? |
| 23:45.10 | Syzgyn | Where are you reading this? |
| 23:45.10 | Arrowmaster | Diao: stop your bitching, warriors were fucking broken early tbc with their damn 5-6k crits |
| 23:45.21 | Antiarc | - Find Weakness: Made passive to cut down on the number of triggered effects that either donât affect gameplay or affect it in a negative way. |
| 23:45.21 | Diao | you mean |
| 23:45.24 | Anaral | ScytheBlade1: I'm at 40%. :/ |
| 23:45.24 | Antiarc | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/7/9336456598-rogue-update.html |
| 23:45.25 | erikd | 2 minutes and i'll have it |
| 23:45.27 | Diao | they were broken because rage generation was shit :P |
| 23:45.28 | Antiarc | - Hunger for Blood: Now removes any harmful physical effect instead of Bleed or Magic effects. Bleed effects will still be removed (as all are physical) as well as effects like Mortal Strike, Aimed Shot, Expose Armor etc⦠|
| 23:45.29 | Syzgyn | 50% |
| 23:45.32 | Antiarc | HOLY |
| 23:45.33 | Antiarc | SHIT |
| 23:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, the server is pushing 30mbit/sec |
| 23:45.46 | Syzgyn | Good god |
| 23:45.47 | Diao | hm |
| 23:45.49 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: PHASTA! MOAR! PHASTA! |
| 23:45.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Mem: 347 345 2 0 0 64 |
| 23:45.53 | Diao | so rogues get weaker against locks again |
| 23:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's probably swap thrashing |
| 23:45.56 | Antiarc | - Mace Specialization: This will grant armor penetration when using a mace. (The warrior talent will as well.) |
| 23:46.02 | Syzgyn | Oooh nice |
| 23:46.05 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: your speed went to hell, i think its the server not the connection |
| 23:46.05 | bleeter | ~whip ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:46.06 | purl | ACTION takes ScytheBlade1 outside to be thoroughly whipped by bleeter |
| 23:46.10 | Antiarc | - Dual Wield Specialization: Moved to tier 1. Lightning Reflexes swapped locations with it and still needs a little more âoomphâ. |
| 23:46.11 | Antiarc | :O |
| 23:46.12 | Antiarc | :LO |
| 23:46.13 | Antiarc | L:Oasd |
| 23:46.15 | Antiarc | pfaksdgomjasfg;lsfdadn;kdlk |
| 23:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I'm pretty sure it's swap thrashing atm |
| 23:46.32 | Diao | A new level 75 ability has been designed. This is going to be one of the bigger teases as weâre not quite ready to talk about this one yet. I will say that will add some much needed group utility. |
| 23:46.33 | Syzgyn | Antiarc: link? |
| 23:46.33 | Diao | wtf |
| 23:46.36 | Diao | group utility? |
| 23:46.37 | Antiarc | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/7/9336456598-rogue-update.html |
| 23:46.37 | Arrowmaster | get more ram? |
| 23:46.38 | Diao | for rogues?? |
| 23:46.50 | Icecoldcoke | omg someone just wtf pwnding my download speed |
| 23:46.54 | Arrowmaster | everybody is downloading the same file just put the file on a ramdisk |
| 23:46.56 | Icecoldcoke | 150 kb/s |
| 23:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:47.03 | Syzgyn | 400 now |
| 23:47.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Same-ish here.. |
| 23:47.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Can everyone resume by chance? :P |
| 23:47.18 | Syzgyn | Quick, everyone stop downloading for 8 minutes |
| 23:47.19 | smcn | it'll still be finished long before servers come up ;) |
| 23:47.28 | Arrowmaster | dling in firefox3 |
| 23:47.32 | Diao | find weakness passive.. |
| 23:47.35 | Arrowmaster | sometimes its quirky about resume |
| 23:47.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:47.42 | Diao | i thought find weakness was passive already |
| 23:47.46 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 23:47.47 | Diao | just activates when you use a finisher? |
| 23:48.07 | Arrowmaster | speed going up |
| 23:48.14 | Arrowmaster | now back down |
| 23:48.15 | Antiarc | It was 10 sec on a finisher |
| 23:48.18 | Antiarc | Now it's basically |
| 23:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup same |
| 23:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 23:48.21 | Antiarc | +10% on all specials |
| 23:48.27 | Syzgyn | Going d-d-d-down |
| 23:48.29 | Diao | oh |
| 23:48.30 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: block new connections? |
| 23:48.33 | Diao | lol |
| 23:48.33 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 23:48.41 | Diao | unfair advantage and stay of execution being made mobility |
| 23:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: new connections aren't the problem, I'm pretty sure it's just my (lack of) apache tuning |
| 23:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | In the past everyone staggered their downloads so they always maxed their connections |
| 23:49.26 | bleeter | are the servers actually up atm? ie, does it really matter yet? :P |
| 23:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 23:49.46 | smcn | 6-8 hours as always |
| 23:49.49 | Antiarc | I'm at 100 kb/s now :( |
| 23:49.54 | Anaral | But Bleeter, we have to be the first! |
| 23:49.59 | smcn | from now it's probably 4-6 hours |
| 23:49.59 | erikd | gives me plenty of time to run to bw3s! |
| 23:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah 180ish here now |
| 23:50.10 | erikd | and stock up on inscription herbs on live |
| 23:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh ho |
| 23:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 300 |
| 23:50.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 400 |
| 23:50.35 | bleeter | then there's the inevitable crashing for the first few hours... ;) |
| 23:50.45 | smcn | oh yes |
| 23:51.03 | Icecoldcoke | I figured out the download speed slowdown reasoning |
| 23:51.04 | Icecoldcoke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336666341&pageNo=1&sid=2000#15 |
| 23:51.10 | Icecoldcoke | Now thousands of people are downloading it |
| 23:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, win, server was pushing out 40mbit/sec |
| 23:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 23:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 23:51.30 | Syzgyn | The Sekret is out! |
| 23:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 23:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... |
| 23:51.32 | erikd | THAR STEALIN OUR BANDWIDTHS |
| 23:51.36 | smcn | zomg |
| 23:51.38 | bleeter | yar that'd thrash yer apache |
| 23:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Suddenly that makes sense |
| 23:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes that would |
| 23:51.41 | End | we have a spy! :( |
| 23:51.54 | Syzgyn | Kinda sad |
| 23:52.07 | Icecoldcoke | Just 58mbs to go. |
| 23:52.10 | erikd | i'm so close >< |
| 23:52.14 | erikd | i have 10MB |
| 23:52.25 | erikd | and dropping down below 100Kbps |
| 23:52.42 | Icecoldcoke | Mine is like 70kb/s |
| 23:52.47 | [Liquidor] | You guys can create clickable links in the US forums? :( |
| 23:52.53 | Icecoldcoke | I think I had better download speeds on dial-up. Sigh |
| 23:52.53 | Syzgyn | I'm still around 300 |
| 23:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | [Liquidor]: on the beta forums |
| 23:52.57 | Anaral | ScytheBlade1: Should your link not be shared? Or is it widely known in wow world? |
| 23:52.59 | alestane | Only the beta US forum. |
| 23:53.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaral: it is intended for this room only + their immediate friends |
| 23:53.11 | [Liquidor] | Oh okay. Thought I was going to whine a bit there |
| 23:53.21 | Anaral | Otay, thought so. |
| 23:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Technically the logs are public and anyone can go poking, yes, but it's never been an issue before |
| 23:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Also for the curious I've replied |
| 23:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336666341&postId=93357675365&sid=2000#17 |
| 23:53.35 | erikd | done! |
| 23:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Long story short I won't keep it (there) for long |
| 23:53.45 | Antiarc | My download's stalling :( |
| 23:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: check the signature, please? |
| 23:53.54 | Antiarc | 130mb to go |
| 23:54.18 | bleeter | heh, that person has been slapped ;) |
| 23:54.28 | End | You know who it is? |
| 23:54.39 | End | or you mean on the forums slapped? |
| 23:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | io_count=5042388 io_rate=2013 io_tokens=916608 token_refill=512 token_max=2000000 |
| 23:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Great |
| 23:54.46 | bleeter | forum linker dude |
| 23:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Having a server do 2k I/O operations per second would indeed break things |
| 23:55.12 | Antiarc | He removed the link |
| 23:55.13 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: kill it off, move it somewhere 'random' and /msg trusted people |
| 23:55.28 | Icecoldcoke | Don't move it yet! 5minutes left :( |
| 23:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | As soon as my download finishes it'll be done |
| 23:55.33 | End | aww, I'm probably not trusted :( |
| 23:55.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got 12 left, so... |
| 23:55.39 | Syzgyn | 3 minutes |
| 23:55.40 | bleeter | link removal confirmed |
| 23:55.50 | Icecoldcoke | 12 mbs or 12minutes? |
| 23:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | minutes |
| 23:55.54 | erikd | i don't see the digital signatures you mentioned =/ |
| 23:55.57 | Icecoldcoke | Ah. |
| 23:56.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 23:56.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.29 | bleeter | see, told you |
| 23:56.32 | bleeter | no one believed me tho |
| 23:56.35 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:56.54 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: That's not a good sign. :( |
| 23:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it run? |
| 23:57.03 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: check your logs for anybody that opened if with a referrer of the wow forums and cancel those connections |
| 23:57.17 | End | What Arrowmaster said! :) |
| 23:57.18 | smcn | or just after the post was made |
| 23:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: apathy > that |
| 23:57.24 | smcn | lol |
| 23:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not out for blood |
| 23:57.27 | Syzgyn | Peace, apathy? |
| 23:57.27 | bleeter | hahaha |
| 23:57.31 | erikd | my pc's chugging a bit, i'm making 3 DVDs worth of backup isos |
| 23:57.32 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1++ |
| 23:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd sooner just leave it as a subtle warning |
| 23:57.35 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: i just want my dl to speed up |
| 23:57.37 | Syzgyn | Fin |
| 23:57.52 | Arrowmaster | 70 kB/s right now |
| 23:58.12 | Antiarc | I'm at about 80kb/s myself |
| 23:58.18 | Maldivia | SB1: I'm so going to laugh when it turns out you put it together wrongly :) |
| 23:58.21 | Antiarc | Oh, it's spiking a bit |
| 23:58.21 | Antiarc | 110 |
| 23:58.23 | Antiarc | 120 |
| 23:58.29 | Anaral | ScytheBlade1: Do you know who Blighthoof is? |
| 23:58.40 | bleeter | ok, whoever that was who posted the URL, good on you for removing it :) |
| 23:58.51 | bleeter | gotta give credit where it's due, along with brickbats |
| 23:59.08 | Syzgyn | Ish not running for me :( |
| 23:59.31 | Maldivia | just have people put http://coblitz.codeen.org/ infront of the url - and it'll go through codeen's cache |
| 23:59.47 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=kyle@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 23:59.47 | Anaral | Aye. That was good forum. |
| 23:59.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Right so |
| 23:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Server is definitely thrashing now |
