| 00:03.06 | Mery | good night |
| 00:11.04 | tuxeh | Does any of you have an idea on how to fix the issue of registering PLAYER_DEAD upon login? I made this little deathcounter .. and it registeres a death if you logon whilst dead :-P |
| 00:11.42 | Iriel | Why not set a flag when and only when you see the player alive |
| 00:11.50 | Iriel | and only count a death if the flag was set beforehand |
| 00:11.53 | Tem | SmarkWoW, FYI, Lua is not an acronymn, and, as such, shouldn't be written in all caps. |
| 00:12.06 | tuxeh | ah that seems like a great idea |
| 00:12.53 | Arrowmaster | tem slow |
| 00:13.04 | Tem | yeah, I know |
| 00:13.13 | Tem | I had scrolled up... |
| 00:14.07 | Kirov | tuxeh - why not PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD UnitDeadOrGhost("player") |
| 00:15.05 | Kirov | Iriel's method will keep you from double counting if you log out and back in while already dead though |
| 00:15.21 | Kirov | actually PLAYER_LOGIN, not PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 00:15.46 | tuxeh | Aye, that's basically what I am trying to fix |
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| 00:18.36 | Kirov | Anyone know what the "extraAmount" in _LEECH and _DRAIN events are? |
| 00:19.22 | End | no, but I can scan some logs and see if it ever has a value |
| 00:19.40 | Kirov | sure, if you have some available |
| 00:19.58 | Arrowmaster | ones amount stolen from the target and the other is amount gained |
| 00:20.00 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 00:20.19 | Kirov | by the source? makes sense |
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| 00:20.54 | Kirov | Would explain why it's always the same number |
| 00:21.01 | Arrowmaster | almost always |
| 00:21.14 | Kirov | usually |
| 00:21.32 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt be if its from a warlock doing drain life |
| 00:21.40 | Arrowmaster | if felarmor is up |
| 00:21.55 | End | if I'd ever die, I'd check |
| 00:22.04 | End | ok, fine, I'll go in a corner and eat |
| 00:25.47 | cbreak | I think WotLK has stats like death counter. |
| 00:26.05 | End | it's always 0 in this raid log o_O |
| 00:26.23 | End | I didn't look at what spells are involved though |
| 00:42.41 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon Tickets on-sale 11 Aug http://www.blizzcon.com/ |BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule, and Group Hotel Rates: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 |
| 00:45.48 | batrick | wow that's crazy |
| 00:45.54 | Cairenn | ? |
| 00:45.55 | batrick | you can view some objects in 3d on wowhead |
| 00:46.02 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 00:46.21 | End | that's not THAT new of a feature |
| 00:46.27 | Cairenn | nope |
| 00:46.38 | batrick | I never said it was new :) |
| 00:46.57 | End | what I find odd is I think thottbot and wowhead revealed that same feature around the same time |
| 00:47.08 | End | and then around the same time with the off-site tooltips |
| 00:47.22 | Cairenn | what's so odd about that? |
| 00:48.04 | End | the timing makes it seem almost like they were working on it together :P |
| 00:48.10 | Kirov | Aren't they owned by the same company now? |
| 00:48.15 | End | are they? |
| 00:48.22 | Cairenn | you do remember they have the same parent company, don't you? |
| 00:48.23 | End | I thought it was allalalalalalakazam |
| 00:48.41 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/community.php look at the bottom of the page |
| 00:48.45 | End | is everybody owned by the same people now? |
| 00:48.47 | End | jeez |
| 00:49.08 | End | oh |
| 00:49.17 | End | I guess everybody really is owned by all the same people |
| 00:49.19 | End | except curse |
| 00:49.22 | Cairenn | Allakhazam + MMOI + Thott + WoWHead = Zam |
| 00:49.42 | Kirov | and wowi |
| 00:49.47 | Cairenn | MMOI |
| 00:49.47 | End | wowi = mmoi |
| 00:49.52 | Kirov | doh |
| 00:51.13 | Cairenn | MMOI == dolby and I == eqi, eq2i, lotroi, vgi, wowi |
| 00:51.35 | End | parentheses are good |
| 00:51.45 | End | at first I thought mmoi was dolby |
| 00:51.48 | Cairenn | and of course all of our great moderators |
| 00:51.50 | End | and you were everything else |
| 00:51.54 | Kirov | which is the better way to scale FontStrings smoothly, SetTextHeight, parent frame SetScale |
| 00:51.55 | End | and I was like ...what? |
| 00:51.56 | Cairenn | lol, sorry |
| 00:52.10 | End | it's ok, just confused me at first :P |
| 00:53.03 | End | I blame python too |
| 00:53.04 | Cairenn | it's an operator in math, too |
| 00:53.26 | Cairenn | you are completely correct, I should have used parentheses |
| 00:54.40 | Cairenn | anyway, yeah, thott and wowhead coming out with 3d models and offline tooltips at the same time isn't really surprising ;) |
| 00:54.54 | End | well, now that you've pointed out the connection .... :P |
| 00:55.03 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 01:00.48 | SmarkWoW | where can you find a list of templates... like this button has inherits="OptionsButtonTemplate"... where can you find other things like OptionsButtonTemplate? |
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| 01:05.18 | SmarkWoW | anyone? |
| 01:05.30 | Iriel | Extract the FrameXML code and peruse the XML files |
| 01:05.35 | End | grep! |
| 01:09.32 | Duman | hmm |
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| 01:12.43 | |Jelly| | Is there any way to like ... transfer all your characters to another server? Maybe like a discount or something? |
| 01:12.58 | End | don't think so |
| 01:15.20 | Corrodias | you can make a special request via email, but i doubt they'd do it |
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| 01:27.32 | Dashkal | meh, java client ftl |
| 01:27.52 | Dashkal | aww, still no auto +v? :p |
| 01:27.56 | Dashkal | mischan |
| 01:30.35 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:30.52 | Dashkal | I can see why people get so confused when they come in from cosmos... this thing is confusing |
| 01:34.02 | Rabbitbunny | If I do SetFont on my main frame, Is everything below that supposed to inherit the font? |
| 01:34.42 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Ping |
| 01:34.49 | Shirik | |Jelly|: pong |
| 01:35.00 | |Jelly| | Your server pvp? |
| 01:35.08 | Shirik | not the one I play on now |
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| 01:35.14 | Shirik | the old one is, but I don't go there anymore |
| 01:35.17 | |Jelly| | I'm seriously considering transferring my characters. |
| 01:35.30 | Shirik | :( don't like it anymore? |
| 01:35.58 | Arrowmaster | our realm sucks |
| 01:35.59 | |Jelly| | Tired of the bullshit. |
| 01:36.34 | |Jelly| | Arrow: You know anyone selling bear runs? I apparently don't meet whatever requirement my guild needs (as a 2100 +heals coh priest who constantly tops the healing meters) |
| 01:36.49 | ccox | let me guess - low population realm with either raid wanna-be guilds or lowbie friends guilds? |
| 01:36.58 | |Jelly| | No. |
| 01:37.01 | Arrowmaster | umm |
| 01:37.04 | End | 2100 healing isn't enough? wtf? |
| 01:37.05 | |Jelly| | Quite the opposite. |
| 01:37.10 | Arrowmaster | ive seen it in trade a few times |
| 01:37.19 | |Jelly| | It's a release server. |
| 01:37.40 | ccox | ah, I'm dealing with a low pop server, and half the clues transfer away |
| 01:37.42 | Shirik | |Jelly|.... I'm not much higher than that |
| 01:37.49 | Arrowmaster | the group from my guild is only half way done getting their 10 bears |
| 01:37.52 | Shirik | and I'm regarded by many as the top holy priest horde side on our server |
| 01:37.58 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: oh Og sells them |
| 01:38.04 | Shirik | (Mostly because there aren't any others that are in T6 content) |
| 01:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: beat me to it. :( |
| 01:38.29 | End | no, we gotta do ZA on our alts, blah blah blah |
| 01:38.31 | Arrowmaster | mine didnt for the longest time |
| 01:38.36 | End | screw that noise |
| 01:38.42 | Arrowmaster | because people didnt want to put in the effort |
| 01:38.57 | Shirik | |Jelly|, what's your mp5 at? |
| 01:38.59 | Shirik | OOC |
| 01:39.32 | Shirik | sec, need to get on laptop |
| 01:39.34 | |Jelly| | i don't remember |
| 01:39.36 | Tem | my bear group is getting close to our first bear |
| 01:39.42 | |Jelly| | i'm on my paladin atm |
| 01:39.47 | Tem | I think we just need a bit more gear |
| 01:39.58 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 01:40.05 | End | we could use a prot pally |
| 01:40.16 | Shirik | ah I see |Jelly| :P |
| 01:40.21 | Adys | Mikk: you around? If so, see last rev on http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Events/Quest&action=history - you might wanna check if this is fixed |
| 01:40.30 | Tem | last time we got 3 chests with 10m to spare |
| 01:40.44 | Tem | just couldn't clear the lynx trash cleanly enough to finish up |
| 01:40.59 | Arrowmaster | you jump through huts for lynx trash? |
| 01:41.34 | |Jelly| | ROFL Arrow ... too much like me. In BT and still talking on IRC |
| 01:41.47 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 01:41.56 | Arrowmaster | you on an alt? |
| 01:42.02 | |Jelly| | Yeah - Lesli |
| 01:42.44 | |Jelly| | I don't play Jelly much these days. People would rather take a paladin/shaman to 5-mans and well, we only raid three days a week ... if we raid those days. |
| 01:43.40 | SmarkWoW | there an easy way to text align a FontString in XML? |
| 01:43.59 | Tem | Arrowmaster, we used to |
| 01:44.07 | Tem | but we changed our order last week |
| 01:44.22 | Tem | and going through the huts when coming from Dragonhawk doesn't seem worth it |
| 01:44.45 | Arrowmaster | that what my guilds group does |
| 01:44.56 | Arrowmaster | but they also cheese the eagle boss trash |
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| 01:46.02 | Tem | we just started doing that ourselves |
| 01:46.04 | Shirik | I have returned! You may live in fear no more. |
| 01:46.08 | Tem | (cheesing the eagle trash) |
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| 01:47.40 | Legorol | Arrowmaster, Tem: so you guys think it's not an exploit? |
| 01:47.44 | Legorol | I have heard it both ways. |
| 01:47.51 | Tem | Legorol, I definitely think it's an exploit |
| 01:47.54 | Tem | but I want a bear |
| 01:48.01 | End | burr! |
| 01:48.09 | Arrowmaster | meh i used to do that trick all the time before TBC |
| 01:48.31 | Arrowmaster | for farming AQ40 trash mobs |
| 01:48.37 | bleeter | so who's bought one of these Philips 3D TV's and tried WoW with it? |
| 01:48.41 | Legorol | what's the hut-jumping? |
| 01:48.55 | End | there's some huts near lynx entrance |
| 01:48.57 | End | with windows |
| 01:48.59 | bleeter | product blurb says it supports OGL outta the box, I just don't have the $15k to buy one |
| 01:49.06 | End | you jump through to skip some trash |
| 01:49.34 | bleeter | acutally... I wonder if I can convince Slouken to tweak Maelstrom to support it.... hmm |
| 01:49.44 | Legorol | so, my fellow guild officers making life difficult.. what to do, what to do |
| 01:50.28 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.46 | End | that was what I was thinking of saying |
| 01:51.02 | Tem | Legorol, you can avoid a few pulls of lynx trash by jumping through huts |
| 01:51.06 | Legorol | bleeter: that's the last thing i want to do, the guild is great, the people are great, i love th eplace, just the officers being emo |
| 01:51.58 | Legorol | case in point: we have a maggy/gruul night, we take it easy and just agree to roll on loot, random social member comes along because we don't have 25, wins loot over officer |
| 01:52.03 | Tem | Arrowmaster, what's your path for a bear run? |
| 01:52.04 | bleeter | Legorol: very similar, if not exact thing, happened in guild I was in up to about two months ago. seriously broke my heart when I did it, miss a lot of my friends from the guild. but I actually find it fun logging in to that realm again. |
| 01:52.04 | Legorol | officer fumes, and wants our looting rules revamped |
| 01:52.22 | bleeter | admittedly, I did reroll on other realms so I've taken breaks as well, so that may come into play a li'l too. |
| 01:52.40 | Legorol | bleeter: i'd been effective GM of this guild too long, it's grown to my heart |
| 01:52.51 | Legorol | there are people I skype/quest with daily |
| 01:53.01 | Legorol | i'd put in hell of a lot of effort |
| 01:53.10 | Legorol | i'm sure as hell not leaving |
| 01:53.25 | Legorol | just thinking whether to give in to irrational demands, on kick them |
| 01:53.29 | Legorol | *or |
| 01:54.14 | Legorol | anyway, they'll mellow down eventually |
| 01:54.21 | bleeter | me? I'd ask for a rational well thought out submission on why they should be changed, and to what they should change to. that way everyone can comment, etc. etc. etc. |
| 01:54.38 | bleeter | it should also give them time to work out sensibly what their deman actually is, and.. well.. shut them up for a while too hehe |
| 01:54.38 | Legorol | yeah that's how i want a guild to be run too |
| 01:54.46 | Legorol | problem is, these 2 particular officers are too emo |
| 01:54.53 | Legorol | and incapable of rational dialogue most of the time |
| 01:55.20 | bleeter | personally, emo officers I think are dangerous. best officers tend to be the ones that are so laid back they're practically horizontal. |
| 01:55.20 | Legorol | and as per our agreement, we run the guild by voting on issues, and not by monarchy |
| 01:55.34 | Legorol | so i'd be a hypocrite if i shot down any issue on which they outvote the rest |
| 01:55.44 | Legorol | lol bleeter |
| 01:55.56 | Legorol | i agree, sadly i didn't have much choice |
| 01:56.32 | Legorol | think of me as a shepherd, tending a bunch of sheeple. which i can't do alone, so needed other shepherd dogs |
| 01:56.37 | Legorol | now they learnt to bark |
| 01:56.39 | End | jeez, 33 min WSG battle |
| 01:56.41 | bleeter | :( sounds like if you could accept some PvE Alliance toons I'd head over and be a laid back officer for you =)) |
| 01:56.50 | Legorol | sorry, EU |
| 01:57.30 | End | anyway, just curious, how do you normally do loot? |
| 01:57.34 | bleeter | Legorol: what my 'old' guild did was just use Suicide Kings loot rules. Some people didn't like it, some loved it. In reality, though, I found it to be the most equitable for situations such as you describe. |
| 01:57.52 | Legorol | End: that's a complicated question |
| 01:58.00 | bleeter | each instance had it's own SK table, it wasn't guild wide, so those at the bottom of the list in Gruul's could be top in SSC, etc. |
| 01:58.03 | Legorol | the problem is, we are a guild with majority social element |
| 01:58.08 | Legorol | a small core raid solidly |
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| 01:58.22 | Legorol | and there is a diverse level of activity/interest/involvement |
| 01:58.39 | bleeter | I found SK was, although not perfect, for casual raiding, it was a lot less stressful than any other distribution system we looked at. |
| 01:58.40 | Legorol | together with a diverse range of helpful/friendly/unfriendly/selfish/greedy people |
| 01:58.51 | Legorol | bleeter: our raiding is not casual, we take it very serious |
| 01:58.52 | Legorol | dkp and all |
| 01:59.02 | End | so it is dkp based? |
| 01:59.05 | Legorol | the problems arise when the most extreme raiders and the most casual parts meet in a raid |
| 01:59.10 | Legorol | End: usually yes |
| 01:59.17 | End | ah, "usually" |
| 01:59.21 | Legorol | on this particular run we didn't use dkp |
| 01:59.26 | Legorol | and were just rolling |
| 01:59.42 | Legorol | we have quite a strong social member base, friend-of-friend-of-friend |
| 01:59.47 | bleeter | well if the officers didn't like the loot rules.... |
| 01:59.50 | Legorol | one of those outrolled Mr. hardcore raider officer |
| 02:00.12 | Legorol | bleeter: idd, they went all emo and said "damn, should've thought of that when we were discussing the rules for tonight" |
| 02:00.21 | Legorol | and i was like "wtf? we made it simple, we agreed, live with it" |
| 02:00.26 | |Jelly| | Ok. Their bear group is in there and consists of: Pally tank; Warrior tank; BM Hunter; Dest Lock; 1 enhance shaman; 1 ele shaman; feral druid; holy paladin; resto shaman; mage |
| 02:00.45 | Arrowmaster | when i first started raiding, we were using dkp rules that were completely casual biased and had to trash them and make new ones |
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| 02:01.09 | Legorol | the main issue here is not loot rules |
| 02:01.10 | bleeter | Legorol: if your officer can't take it like an adult and chalk it up to experience. |
| 02:01.15 | Legorol | the main issue is the narrowminded approach: |
| 02:01.15 | |Jelly| | I think my guild might go over to a Ni Karma kind of deal. |
| 02:01.30 | Legorol | every time something goes bad (in their perception), they want to change something |
| 02:01.40 | bleeter | Legorol: the main issue I see is that the officer agreed to something, then got real cut after the cards fell against him. |
| 02:01.50 | Legorol | they tout being helpful and selfless (which they mostly are), but they expect others to be too |
| 02:02.00 | Legorol | and if there is one thing you can't make a rule for is making people selfless |
| 02:02.04 | bleeter | yeah, you wanna put a stop to changing rules to suit the officers. it's one surefire way to get a bad name on a server then you'll never get any pugger for the final spot. |
| 02:02.21 | bleeter | apart from idiot puggers |
| 02:02.24 | Legorol | well these are internal guild rules |
| 02:02.35 | Legorol | that wouldn't affect many people in practice |
| 02:02.49 | Legorol | and we never take pugs |
| 02:03.11 | Legorol | that's a lie, we have on a few occasions |
| 02:03.17 | Legorol | whenever we had a pug, i made a very simple rule: |
| 02:03.38 | Legorol | roll on the loot as if it was free for all, if pug wins it, it's his, if a guildmember wins it, we redo the item inside the guild using dkp |
| 02:04.11 | Legorol | statistically it's completely fair |
| 02:04.56 | Legorol | but that's besides the point |
| 02:05.26 | Legorol | the problem is, whenever we have rules for something, and some people benefit from it, or skirt a fine line, or the officers *think* others are exploiting the rules, |
| 02:05.28 | Legorol | they go mad |
| 02:05.44 | Legorol | and i have to fight them constantly, because you can't lay down rules and then go changing them |
| 02:05.57 | Legorol | if someone followed rules, however selfishly, they shouldn't be penalised in any way |
| 02:06.20 | Legorol | you can change the rules if you think they are bad |
| 02:06.30 | Legorol | but you can't complain at people going by the book to the letter |
| 02:07.10 | Legorol | The worst is when they start talking about "people shouldn't be selfish/greedy" |
| 02:07.27 | Legorol | You can't make a rule: "you must not be selfish/greedy in this guild" |
| 02:08.07 | Kirov | Legorol - there's an unofficial "don't be a douche" rule in our guild. |
| 02:08.22 | Legorol | Sure, but there are degrees to it |
| 02:08.41 | Kirov | Unfortunatly it doesn't apply to the "old boys" or the officers. |
| 02:08.44 | Legorol | Somewhat selfish raider A rolled on quite a bit of loot (that he is allowed to roll on for offspec) |
| 02:08.55 | Kirov | Many of whom are douches 100% of the time. |
| 02:08.56 | Legorol | He got lucky, several items dropped that were good for various offspec (he is a pala) |
| 02:08.57 | bleeter | ok, Suggestion post made for a demo of WoW on the Philips WoWvx 3D screens at Blizzcon... ;) |
| 02:09.10 | Legorol | Officers reaction: "jeeze, he is so greedy, rolling on all that loot, how many does he want to roll on?" |
| 02:09.13 | bleeter | would kickass. native OGL support, no glasses needed... woots |
| 02:09.55 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: how does that work? |
| 02:10.28 | Kirov | damn it, is there no real way to scale text smoothly? |
| 02:10.43 | Iriel | Start with a large text size and scale the FontString |
| 02:10.45 | Iriel | ? |
| 02:10.55 | Iriel | bear in mind that consumes more memory |
| 02:10.59 | Legorol | (i promise last part of the rant): the worst part though is that they are not being self-consistent |
| 02:11.30 | Legorol | the pala i mentioned above, the same officers commented a couple days before the rolling that: "yeah he is a holy pala, but if needed, we can use him as a tank, and that will solve our pala tank issue" |
| 02:11.33 | Kirov | FontString doesn't have SetScale, and SetTextHeight appears to converting the input to ints |
| 02:11.40 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: basically, each pixel has ... multiple pixels and lenses 'attached' to it. the onboard computer knows which pixel to illuminate triggering which lense to achieve left/right eye seperation from around the viewing area. |
| 02:12.10 | Arrowmaster | only works with ogl? |
| 02:12.40 | bleeter | works with anything. there's even some 3rd party service that converts 2D to 3D |
| 02:13.14 | bleeter | but the set itself has default OGL support. I'm guessing it does DX via some compatability foo. |
| 02:13.36 | bleeter | it's pretty stunning, I've seen two vids of it so far. I'll try and find some URLs |
| 02:14.12 | bleeter | http://www.wowvx.com/video.html |
| 02:14.14 | bleeter | hehe |
| 02:14.26 | bleeter | how it works -> http://www.wowvx.com/about/WOWvxTechnology.html |
| 02:14.51 | Arrowmaster | does it have like its own video card or something? |
| 02:15.01 | Arrowmaster | or special drivers for ogl support? |
| 02:15.40 | Arrowmaster | questioning how it has ogl support |
| 02:15.40 | bleeter | dunno, they're holding the details pretty close still. I think that's largely 'coz there's no agreed 3D TV standard yet. |
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| 02:16.29 | Kirov | how do you get a list of methods for a uiobject? |
| 02:16.53 | Arrowmaster | how about a damn agreed (open) 3d computer display standard |
| 02:17.18 | bleeter | SMPTE don't give a toss about that ;) |
| 02:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: if I wanted to ask you to look into adding SwapRaidSubgroup() support to the secure templates, or at least ask you to put it on the "maybe eventually no promises" list - what would the best way to do that be, also causing the least amount of annoyance? :) |
| 02:18.50 | Iriel | You mean to the secure action button? |
| 02:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Or something |
| 02:19.06 | Iriel | I suspect you'd want to post a thorough suggestion to cog's thread.. |
| 02:19.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Ideally so that I wouldn't have to open the raid social panel to swap people |
| 02:19.49 | Iriel | Maybe suggest a slash command OR action button mode |
| 02:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, duh |
| 02:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Normally I abuse the heck out of that thread :P |
| 02:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that'll work, thanks |
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| 02:27.55 | Drundia | Iriel, or maybe just support for arbitrary function with arbitrary arguments, all stored in attributes (apparently here comes cool thing that we can't do with current system that alestane asked about) |
| 02:28.47 | Iriel | The restricted environments deliberately can't invoke actions at the moment, they can just set the right action up to happen when clicked or whatever |
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| 02:37.23 | Drundia | well, i said it some time ago to alestane and he said the most important people wouldn't like the idea, but a primitive example is that instead of using (type="spell", spell="Spell Name") button you would e able to use (type="func", func="CastSpellByName"|CastSpellByName, arg1="Spell Name") button instead, but I didn't really figure enough of currently unsupported stuff. |
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| 02:39.17 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8343-GriswoldsLegacyDiabloUIv1.html i lol |
| 02:39.19 | |Jelly| | 'd |
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| 02:40.10 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 02:40.11 | purl | pong |
| 02:40.27 | Iriel | Yeah, without some solid 'things we can't do without it', i'm fairly sure it's not going to get anywhere |
| 02:40.55 | SmarkWoW | cant find a way to change the fontsize of a FontString... whats the easiest way to do that |
| 02:42.08 | End | set a different font on it maybe? |
| 02:42.10 | Iriel | You call SetFont on the font object it's displaying? |
| 02:42.59 | SmarkWoW | im sure I could, but i'd prefer to do it in XML if possible |
| 02:43.45 | Drundia | I mostly hate inability to pickup actions in combat, support for which was never added to secure templates :( |
| 02:46.43 | Arrowmaster | Drundia: you can if you use the ActionBarTemplete or something, but that causes other issues |
| 02:47.54 | Drundia | Restricted execution appears to be very powerful really, the basic secure action button templates could use similar love. |
| 02:48.03 | Drundia | Adding some drag buttons too |
| 02:51.28 | Drundia | how cool are those new things? can i do something along lines of frame:SetAttribute("name", editbox:GetText()) ? |
| 02:51.55 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.06 | Iriel | but you can do SetAttribute |
| 02:52.53 | Drundia | wtb slash commands for setting attributes |
| 02:55.06 | SmarkWoW | anyone know how to specify a font size of a FontString on XML? |
| 02:55.08 | SmarkWoW | in* |
| 02:55.53 | Iriel | SmarkWoW: There's a SetFont method, you pass it, amongst other things, font size |
| 02:56.10 | Iriel | (Assuming you mean font size and not just 'how big fthe font string is) |
| 02:56.19 | Iriel | Font size + scale are a bit tricky |
| 02:56.26 | SmarkWoW | talking like 32pt or something, not length |
| 02:57.06 | SmarkWoW | I can call it in my OnLoad statement, but for code cleanliness i'd rather specify the attribute in the tag (if possible) |
| 02:57.29 | Iriel | Create your own Font, and then make your font string use that |
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| 03:03.47 | Footrot | Hi everyone. Is there a function I can hook (secure) to detect when something is put into my bags (such as via looting) or do I have to use the CHAT_MSG_LOOT event and parse the message text? Any help greatly appreciated. |
| 03:05.03 | Shirik | I believe there is a bag update event |
| 03:05.08 | Shirik | if you need more than just looting |
| 03:05.17 | Shirik | But if you're explicitly looking for looting, then you really want CHAT_MSG_LOOT |
| 03:05.21 | Shirik | Anything else is creating more work |
| 03:05.39 | Kaso | BAG_UPDATE is the devil's event imo |
| 03:05.45 | Footrot | Fair enough. Makes localization a pain though. Thanks for the info. |
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| 03:06.08 | Kaso | its called like a billion times a minute >< |
| 03:06.11 | Atriace | You know, speaking of localization, has anyone ever tried localizing into Chinese? |
| 03:06.22 | Shirik | I think the localization is a small price to pay for a proper form of doing it |
| 03:06.26 | Rabbitbunny | No, But I will. |
| 03:06.34 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_(Full_List)#BAG_UPDATE |
| 03:06.35 | Shirik | Like Kaso said, trying to use something else (like BAG_UPDATE) is going to require a ton of processing |
| 03:06.48 | Drundia | care localization you always have the same item links |
| 03:06.48 | Shirik | not only is it called a ton, you're going to have to process all the items in your bags every time too |
| 03:07.04 | Footrot | Yeah, CHAT_MSG_LOOT will be the way I will go then. Any good tutorials on playing with the regexps in Lua? |
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| 03:07.18 | Kirov | lua.org ? |
| 03:07.21 | Shirik | Lua has no regular expressions, however if you want to use Lua patterns, check out PiL |
| 03:07.23 | Shirik | ~pil |
| 03:07.24 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 03:07.43 | Footrot | Beauty. Thanks guys. I think I have one of those as a PDF - will read into it. |
| 03:07.58 | Rabbitbunny | for what? I have a loop that runs the bags if you need it. |
| 03:08.13 | Kaso | section 5.2.1 of pil ! |
| 03:08.23 | Shirik | bad Rabbitbunny |
| 03:08.30 | Footrot | Well, specifically after looting. I'm trying to track when I pick up an item such as Naj'entus' Spine or a Tainted Core or something like that. |
| 03:08.35 | Footrot | Thanks Kaso. |
| 03:08.41 | Atriace | ä»»ä½äººå¨è¿é说ä¸æï¼ |
| 03:08.45 | Kaso | no wait |
| 03:08.46 | Kaso | 5.4.1 |
| 03:08.48 | bleeter | Guillotine: ping |
| 03:08.51 | Kaso | damnit >< |
| 03:08.53 | Shirik | Footrot: Item links are always encoded the same, expect for the visible text |
| 03:08.55 | Footrot | Haha. Ta. |
| 03:08.56 | Guillotine | bleeter: pong |
| 03:09.00 | Shirik | Why not just look for item:<id>? |
| 03:09.14 | Drundia | yes, looking for item:<id> is good idea. |
| 03:09.34 | Footrot | Ummm, I want to track all items being looted, and alert when something useful pops up. Where useful = user-definable. |
| 03:10.11 | Shirik | ok, I wasn't sure of what you were trying to do |
| 03:10.41 | Footrot | Yeah, no worries. If it was purpose built, then sure, I'll check for the few items I'd care about, such as the Spine. But user-configs mean more work. :( |
| 03:11.00 | Xinhuan | Atriace: æå¯ä»¥è¯´ä¸æ :) |
| 03:12.14 | haste | Atriace: I only know the japanese reading of four of those :( |
| 03:13.13 | Atriace | Well, it was a "hail-marry" |
| 03:13.32 | Atriace | Trying to get the standard font for chinese clients working. |
| 03:13.44 | Atriace | Right now, everything is coming out as question marks. |
| 03:14.08 | Atriace | (ie., "Fury Warrior" -> "???? ??????") |
| 03:14.31 | Xinhuan | are u trying to view it on a chinese client? |
| 03:14.36 | Xinhuan | or your own english client? |
| 03:15.14 | Atriace | I don't have a chinese client. |
| 03:15.23 | Atriace | Beta testers in china have tried it for me. |
| 03:15.47 | Atriace | Which.... is annoying. Working with non-savvy is painful. |
| 03:16.12 | bleeter | Cairenn: AddOns Gone Crazy contest. Which timezone is your 8 Aug cutoff operational in? Obviously some NA, but east west central or mountain? |
| 03:16.27 | bleeter | Cairenn: makes a bit of difference to my sleep pattern for the next few days, is all ;) :P |
| 03:16.27 | Cairenn | whenever I decide :p |
| 03:16.32 | bleeter | bah |
| 03:16.37 | batrick | mwahhahaa |
| 03:16.42 | bleeter | backwards people should diaf :P |
| 03:16.43 | Xinhuan | i'm making final changes to my next entry ;p |
| 03:16.59 | Xinhuan | damn, the puzzle attack addon guy has a youtube video on his game |
| 03:16.59 | Arrowmaster | i still dont have a good doable idea for that =( |
| 03:17.03 | Arrowmaster | and i really want the kite |
| 03:17.06 | Arrowmaster | =( |
| 03:17.08 | Xinhuan | should i make a youtube video of my game too? |
| 03:17.10 | Atriace | Hey... Cairenn, you've got to know a little about localization, no? |
| 03:17.13 | bleeter | AGT should get a special prize all for itself |
| 03:17.22 | Cairenn | Atriace: depends what you mean by that |
| 03:17.27 | Atriace | Resources at least. |
| 03:17.31 | Atriace | The right way to do it. |
| 03:17.37 | Cairenn | not really |
| 03:17.39 | bleeter | I spent most of the weekend on my second account entertaining gold beggars. most lolz I've had in game for ages. |
| 03:17.52 | Atriace | :( |
| 03:18.30 | bleeter | Eliza for WoW, and is WoW aware (knows about instances and levels), if folks are curious what I'm babling about... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9780-AGT-AutomaticGoblinTherapist.html |
| 03:18.35 | Xinhuan | hey cairenn, will the existence of youtube video links of an addon help the decision making process? ;p |
| 03:18.49 | Cairenn | can't hurt any |
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| 03:19.06 | Xinhuan | hmm that's a lot of trouble to fraps, convert and upload + create a youtube account |
| 03:19.15 | Cairenn | don't need it |
| 03:19.31 | Cairenn | you asked if it would *help* |
| 03:19.35 | Xinhuan | aha |
| 03:20.04 | Xinhuan | i do think the contest stimulated a bit of addon growth |
| 03:20.15 | Cairenn | it definitely isn't necessary though |
| 03:20.16 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:20.17 | Adys | Any idea why shader effects for death and invisibility wouldnt activate on my install? I even forced them in config.wtf and they are enabled in vid options |
| 03:20.33 | Xinhuan | does your graphics card support shader/pixel effects? |
| 03:20.38 | Adys | Yeah does fine |
| 03:20.48 | Xinhuan | geforce2 doesn't, for example (and yes wow runs fine on a gf2) |
| 03:21.00 | Adys | it worked fine until this morning when I hit the hardware reset blah blah button |
| 03:21.10 | Xinhuan | not sure then |
| 03:21.12 | Adys | tried to get my setup back without much luck |
| 03:21.20 | Xinhuan | the hardware reset thing seems to occur everytime u run wotlk beta client |
| 03:21.41 | Adys | every time you run a client with a different video engine version afaik |
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| 03:21.59 | Adys | if you have an old install 2.2 2.3 etc will also prob do it |
| 03:22.10 | Xinhuan | i just click no |
| 03:22.16 | Adys | its what I do too |
| 03:22.21 | Adys | but this time I clicked yes :P |
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| 03:40.59 | batrick | bleeter: that's pretty damn cool |
| 03:41.54 | Shirik|AFK | omg batrick, save me |
| 03:41.59 | Shirik|AFK | I just finished the first problem on my diff eq test |
| 03:42.09 | batrick | take home? |
| 03:42.48 | Shirik|AFK | yes |
| 03:42.50 | Shirik|AFK | thank god |
| 03:42.54 | batrick | oh cool |
| 03:42.59 | batrick | scan it i wanna do it 2 |
| 03:43.01 | Shirik|AFK | my head still hurts! |
| 03:43.09 | Shirik|AFK | I don't have a scanner :( |
| 03:43.14 | batrick | epic fail |
| 03:43.17 | Shirik|AFK | hmm, which labs do I have access to during the summer |
| 03:43.26 | Shirik|AFK | I don't think the labs I can get into have a scanner unfortunately |
| 03:43.31 | Shirik|AFK | I'd have to wait until school opens |
| 03:43.38 | batrick | shame |
| 03:43.40 | Shirik|AFK | actually, they're pretty simple I can type them out |
| 03:43.50 | Shirik|AFK | the work.... on the other hand... |
| 03:43.51 | Shirik|AFK | omg |
| 03:44.03 | batrick | pm me the problems~ |
| 03:44.21 | Cairenn | he's too busy doing them to actually type them out for others to do :p |
| 03:44.27 | Cairenn | get back to work Shirik! |
| 03:45.08 | Cairenn | ./mode +b shirik |
| 03:45.08 | Cairenn | ./kick shirik |
| 03:45.30 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.43 | Shirik|AFK | Cairenn knows better than to do this |
| 03:45.48 | Shirik|AFK | she's already learned her lesson |
| 03:46.02 | Cairenn | don't push your luck there Shirik |
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| 03:54.38 | Footrot | Hey everyone. Back on that looting question I had earlier... I hooked LootSlot() and then used GetLootSlotInfo() on the slot involved in order to get my info. Now, I'm happy that this works only for looting (and not ML, getting stuff from the bank etc). Is there any reason why I would change this to using CHAT_MSG_LOOT instead? |
| 03:55.04 | Footrot | (Given I'm happy with he abovementioned limitations that is). |
| 03:57.06 | Shirik | it only works for user-initiated loots |
| 03:57.20 | Shirik | if you're happy with this, then it's fine (assuming you did the hook ok) |
| 03:57.43 | Footrot | I used hooksecurefunc("LootSlot", function(slotIndex)..... end). |
| 03:57.52 | Arrowmaster | autoloot |
| 03:58.01 | Shirik | autoloot will be handled |
| 03:58.06 | Footrot | Hmmm, should check auto loot, thanks. |
| 03:58.13 | Shirik | however, only user-initiated loots will be handled |
| 03:58.13 | Footrot | Oh? Works the same? |
| 03:58.20 | Shirik | the najentus spine example you gave earlier will not work |
| 03:58.32 | Footrot | Ahhh, because it's not looted? |
| 03:58.36 | Footrot | Bummer. |
| 03:58.40 | Footrot | Yeah, you're right. |
| 03:58.46 | Footrot | It's a cog thingy right? |
| 03:58.52 | Shirik | while the user still clicks on the item, it's not "looting" |
| 03:59.03 | Shirik | it's interacting, after which the user automatically gets the item |
| 03:59.24 | Footrot | Yep - thank you. Exactly what I was after. :( Back to parsing then. :) |
| 03:59.37 | batrick | Shirik: When Cairenn gets ChanServ in here to ban you I'd like to see your script save you =) |
| 03:59.46 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:59.51 | Shirik | I think it would kick ChanServ actually |
| 03:59.52 | Shirik | let's find out |
| 03:59.54 | batrick | no |
| 03:59.57 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:59.58 | batrick | it wouldn't |
| 04:00.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:00.04 | batrick | ChanServ wins all contests |
| 04:00.11 | Shirik | Cairenn doesn't want me to test it |
| 04:00.14 | Cairenn | let's not try to find out |
| 04:00.20 | Shirik | and on that note, I shall go get food |
| 04:00.22 | Cairenn | get food and get back to work Shirik |
| 04:00.37 | batrick | Shirik: way to not answer my pms |
| 04:00.41 | batrick | h8! |
| 04:02.01 | batrick | anyway |
| 04:02.09 | batrick | doing /mode +b on chanserv does nothing |
| 04:02.14 | batrick | along with trying to kick him |
| 04:02.15 | batrick | fyi :P |
| 04:20.28 | Shirik | batrick: what PMs? |
| 04:20.41 | Shirik | I'm not going to my other computer |
| 04:33.04 | Shirik | so like I went to mcdonalds |
| 04:33.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Mistake #1 |
| 04:33.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Go on |
| 04:33.24 | Shirik | tried to get chicken nuggets, "Sorry we only have #2, 3, 4, 6" I'm like "wtf" and order a quarter pounder |
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| 04:33.26 | Shirik | whatever |
| 04:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:33.57 | Shirik | I give the lady my credit card to pay, sit at the window for 5 minutes, she comes back later saying "why haven't you moved up to the next window?" "I need my card back" "Oh I'm sorry I forgot!" |
| 04:34.02 | Shirik | ok so I go up to the next window |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | "Hi, what was your order again?" "Quarter pounder, large, with a milkshake" "That's the meal?" "Yes..." |
| 04:34.24 | Shirik | seriously |
| 04:34.27 | Shirik | how hard is this.... |
| 04:34.33 | Shirik | it's a fricking cheeseburger |
| 04:35.09 | |pez| | this is why I just get one of those small cheeseburgers. cause it's a order, pay, get deal. |
| 04:35.59 | batrick | Fishing competition is pretty fun I found out today |
| 04:36.06 | batrick | I lost by like 1 fish |
| 04:36.07 | batrick | qq |
| 04:36.14 | Shirik | batrick, what is this PM I was supposed to be answering.... |
| 04:36.19 | batrick | forget it |
| 04:36.22 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:36.51 | batrick | differential equations + convolution = evil |
| 04:36.57 | batrick | that was it in a nutshell |
| 04:37.04 | batrick | and |
| 04:37.22 | batrick | I have nfi how to deal with a unit step function in a particular solution |
| 04:37.36 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 04:37.41 | batrick | it's probably invariant |
| 04:37.46 | batrick | i guess |
| 04:37.48 | Shirik | the solution that I got was.... |
| 04:39.06 | Shirik | e^(-3t)-e^(-2t)-19/36u(t-2)+(t-2)/6u(t-2)+e^(-2t+4)/4u(t-2)+7e^(-3t+6)/9u(t-2) |
| 04:39.14 | Shirik | unchecked and probably wrong |
| 04:39.17 | Shirik | but at least it's a solution |
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| 04:39.25 | batrick | holy shit |
| 04:39.37 | Shirik | and it's logical, because the homogeneous solution should be c1e^(-3t)+c2e^(-2t) |
| 04:40.00 | Shirik | which is present in the above answer |
| 04:40.12 | batrick | im pretty convinced that's wrong |
| 04:40.15 | batrick | but im going to try something |
| 04:40.32 | batrick | (just because how complex it is) |
| 04:40.33 | Shirik | I would check it, but I want to finish the other answers first |
| 04:41.35 | Shirik | The reason it's so complex though is because of all the damn partial fractions, omg |
| 04:41.40 | Shirik | I hate partial fractions |
| 04:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | As opposed to whole fractions? Known as whole numbers? |
| 04:42.18 | Shirik | ~wiki partial fraction |
| 04:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That cuts off at *just* the right time |
| 04:42.52 | Shirik | that was pretty bad... |
| 04:42.58 | Shirik | n algebra, the partial fraction decomposition or partial fraction expansion is used to reduce the degree of either the numerator or the denominator of a rational function. The outcome of partial fraction expansion expresses that function as a sum of fractions, where: |
| 04:42.58 | Shirik | * the denominator of each term is a power of an irreducible (not factorable) polynomial and |
| 04:42.59 | Shirik | * the numerator is a polynomial of smaller degree than that irreducible polynomial. |
| 04:44.15 | Shirik | For example, in this particular case, 1/(s^2 * (s^2+5s+6)) becomes 5/(36s) + 1/(6s^2) + 1/(4(s+2)) + 1/(9(s+3)) |
| 04:45.29 | Shirik | And now I get to do it again for (2s^3-2s^2+s-1)/(s^4-s^3-2s^2) wheeee |
| 04:49.24 | batrick | wow my TI-89 failed miserably |
| 04:49.36 | batrick | it says the answer is "y = x/6" |
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| 04:51.34 | Shirik | .... huh? |
| 04:51.37 | Shirik | for #1? |
| 04:52.23 | batrick | yes |
| 04:52.43 | Shirik | 0+5/6+t=tu(t-2)? |
| 04:52.47 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 04:53.22 | Shirik | does it know what u() is? |
| 04:54.02 | batrick | if you think about it, the step function is meaningless |
| 04:54.19 | Shirik | it does have some meaning, but not much |
| 04:54.27 | Shirik | all it does is cut off the function on the left side |
| 04:54.29 | batrick | not when finding the solution |
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| 04:54.38 | batrick | you might as well wrap both sides in that step function |
| 04:54.49 | Shirik | I wouldn't do that |
| 04:54.53 | batrick | anyways |
| 04:54.56 | Shirik | use a laplace transform, makes it easy |
| 04:55.08 | batrick | I don't have the initial conditions you gave me anymore |
| 04:55.09 | Shirik | for some definition of "easy" |
| 04:55.19 | Shirik | y(0)=0, y'(0)=1 |
| 04:55.29 | batrick | the particular solution is (I think): (1/6 t - 5/36) u(t-2) |
| 04:56.02 | Shirik | you can check it yourself :P |
| 04:56.32 | batrick | true but im bored now |
| 04:56.40 | Shirik | :P |
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| 04:57.42 | batrick | o hell ya |
| 04:57.45 | batrick | I'm right |
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| 04:59.20 | Shirik | you found the particular solution |
| 04:59.23 | Shirik | now solve the IVP |
| 04:59.38 | batrick | cant' |
| 04:59.39 | Shirik | you're missing the homogeneous component at the minimum |
| 04:59.42 | batrick | im out of notepad stickies |
| 04:59.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:59.51 | batrick | looks like you'll have to do your own work shirik :) |
| 04:59.56 | Shirik | I've already solved that question |
| 05:00.09 | batrick | Shirik: the homogeneous component takes 10 seconds tops to find :P |
| 05:00.28 | Shirik | yes, that's why I was able to tell you were missing it :P |
| 05:00.37 | batrick | i wasn't missing it |
| 05:00.44 | Shirik | it's not there! |
| 05:00.50 | batrick | I was ommitting(sp?) it out of respect for your intelligence |
| 05:00.50 | batbot | batrick, committing, omitting. |
| 05:00.56 | batrick | apparently that respect was misplaced! |
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| 05:02.25 | batrick | ~malreth |
| 05:02.26 | purl | never take malreth seriously |
| 05:02.37 | batrick | i thought that was locked? |
| 05:02.59 | Shirik | ~literal malreth |
| 05:02.59 | purl | "malreth" is "(<reply>never take malreth seriously|<reply>malreth is always right)" |
| 05:03.30 | batrick | ~shirik |
| 05:03.31 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 05:03.44 | batrick | ~batrick |
| 05:03.45 | purl | Batrick is evil. |
| 05:03.45 | Shirik | gtfo me |
| 05:03.49 | batrick | i like that one |
| 05:04.01 | batrick | ~purl++ |
| 05:04.39 | batrick | batbot: is Shirik a baddie? |
| 05:04.40 | batbot | batrick, No. |
| 05:04.49 | batrick | twice you've failed me today |
| 05:05.23 | malreth | i have the random response in there for extra comedy effect |
| 05:05.56 | batrick | Random != Wrong |
| 05:07.06 | malreth | interesting... i'm not allowed to unlock my own factoid |
| 05:07.18 | malreth | oh well |
| 05:08.00 | Shirik | ~factinfo malreth |
| 05:08.00 | purl | malreth -- last modified at Sat Jan 19 23:50:11 2008 by malreth!n=malreth@cpe-72-177-113-22.austin.res.rr.com; it has been requested 71 times, last by batrick, 5m 34s ago; it has been locked by malreth. |
| 05:08.15 | Shirik | purl obviously hates you |
| 05:08.22 | malreth | obviously |
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| 05:14.17 | batrick | night |
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| 05:30.10 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.zip - another update, adds missing value text and a floating combat text like event text to the globes |
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| 05:41.36 | p3lim|afk | what rank do i get when i hit 200 file comments? or does it have nothing to do with that? |
| 05:41.57 | p3lim|afk | (wowi) |
| 05:43.38 | |Jelly| | Shirik: You're on Drenden, correct? |
| 05:45.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:48.11 | Cairenn | nothing to do with that |
| 05:48.37 | Cairenn | what rank are you talking about? your mod or your user title? |
| 05:49.03 | p3lim | Cairenn: user title i guess |
| 05:49.12 | Cairenn | that's based on posts, not comments |
| 05:49.20 | p3lim | as in forum posts? |
| 05:49.44 | Cairenn | yes |
| 05:50.31 | p3lim | ok |
| 05:51.48 | malreth | god speed, post whore! |
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| 06:10.11 | Ackis | is LAX john wayne? |
| 06:10.22 | Cairenn | noi |
| 06:10.30 | Cairenn | SNA is john wayne |
| 06:10.39 | Cairenn | it's actually santa anna/john wayne |
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| 06:11.05 | Cairenn | hahahha |
| 06:11.05 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/03/funny-pictures-i-not-has-a-pms/ |
| 06:11.34 | zenzio | k |
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| 06:14.26 | malreth | lol |
| 06:15.03 | malreth | why not? |
| 06:15.21 | malreth | it's like a corn dog... 'cept instead of a dog, it's made from a frog |
| 06:16.23 | Cairenn | mind you, the idea of one made from a dog is pretty icky too |
| 06:16.38 | malreth | if you had to choose between eating a dog or eating a frog, which would you choose? |
| 06:16.52 | Cairenn | to go hungry |
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| 06:19.55 | malreth | Cairenn: http://www.flickr.com/photos/martabevacqua/2712871851/ |
| 06:20.04 | p3lim | frogs are delicious |
| 06:20.16 | Cairenn | malreth: awwwwww |
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| 06:21.24 | zenzio | so, 90 spectators on a rally race injured by lightning strike. They were standing on a high point in the terrain, some of them leaning on a metal fence... |
| 06:21.28 | p3lim | malreth: looks like his right eye is.. bugged |
| 06:24.18 | MentalPower | Cairenn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_dog |
| 06:24.34 | MentalPower | its made with hot dogs |
| 06:24.44 | Cairenn | MentalPower: *nod* I know, I was being facetious |
| 06:24.53 | MentalPower | ah :) |
| 06:25.03 | Cairenn | the whole "made with dog" bit :p |
| 06:25.14 | MentalPower | tho I really don't know what a corn frog is |
| 06:25.18 | MentalPower | :P |
| 06:26.18 | MentalPower | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/06/funny-pictures-mah-happi-face/ |
| 06:26.31 | MentalPower | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/19/i-try-to-put-on-a-happy-face-i-fail/ |
| 06:26.56 | Nechckn | Corn dog - isn't that a farm-chick from Nebraska? |
| 06:27.15 | Nechckn | sorry, sorry... |
| 06:27.36 | malreth | MentalPower: a corn frog is like a corn dog only instead of made with a dog... |
| 06:27.39 | malreth | it's made... |
| 06:27.45 | malreth | well, you probably get it by now |
| 06:28.18 | p3lim | MentalPower: When you buy one it jumps back to the bastard that sold it to you |
| 06:28.29 | MentalPower | ~lart malreth |
| 06:28.29 | purl | puts malreth into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of malreth's hair of |
| 06:28.33 | MentalPower | ~lart p3lim |
| 06:28.33 | purl | decapitates p3lim conan the destroyer style |
| 06:28.51 | malreth | hair of.. what? |
| 06:28.53 | malreth | i must know |
| 06:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I think it is supposed to be "off" |
| 06:29.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Just a guess |
| 06:29.24 | p3lim | purl has secrets :o |
| 06:29.28 | MentalPower | yeah, +=f |
| 06:29.47 | malreth | this show is lame... they don't even show any nipples |
| 06:32.18 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 06:32.20 | Sixen | Lame. |
| 06:32.24 | Kirov | Anyone know of an addon that watches for HOT / DOTs and calculates the final amount of healing / damage? |
| 06:32.25 | Sixen | Nipples give me a feeling of completion. |
| 06:33.34 | Ackis | mmm nipples |
| 06:33.38 | Sixen | =] |
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| 06:36.08 | malreth | speaking of nipples |
| 06:36.17 | malreth | ~seen |pez| |
| 06:36.20 | purl | |pez| is currently on #wowuidev (1d 5h 19m 13s). Has said a total of 204 messages. Is idling for 2h 1m 11s, last said: 'this is why I just get one of those small cheeseburgers. cause it's a order, pay, get deal.'. |
| 06:37.11 | |pez| | Hello! |
| 06:37.41 | malreth | hiiiiiiii~ |
| 06:37.44 | |pez| | damned good timing, malreth. :P |
| 06:37.52 | |pez| | I just got back home. |
| 06:37.58 | malreth | it's because i'm awesome |
| 06:38.11 | |pez| | I'll let you believe that. |
| 06:38.33 | malreth | that's what makes you a good person |
| 06:38.46 | |pez| | My high maintanance boyfriend forgot looking at the time today, and when he did, it was too late for him to catch a bus to work. |
| 06:38.47 | Cairenn | |pez|: since I know you'll appreciate this: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/03/funny-pictures-i-not-has-a-pms/ |
| 06:39.03 | |pez| | I think he does these things on purpose |
| 06:39.08 | Shirik | malreth, you are very strange |
| 06:39.22 | |pez| | Cairenn: :D:D |
| 06:39.27 | |pez| | that's great |
| 06:39.32 | malreth | Shirik: you have arms like hamhocks |
| 06:39.41 | malreth | MEATY |
| 06:39.47 | Shirik | o.O |
| 06:40.17 | Elkano | hmm... still no author keys, right? |
| 06:40.43 | malreth | |pez|: u has a blog? |
| 06:40.52 | |pez| | I has a blog! |
| 06:40.58 | |pez| | but it's in Norwegian. :P |
| 06:41.18 | malreth | before you ask |
| 06:41.23 | malreth | it's like a corn dog |
| 06:41.24 | Sixen | (11:34:08 PM) malreth: speaking of nipples |
| 06:41.24 | Sixen | (11:34:17 PM) malreth: ~seen |pez| |
| 06:41.26 | Sixen | I lol'd. |
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| 06:41.42 | |pez| | Sixen: it's something I talk about, ok? XD |
| 06:41.51 | |pez| | corn... frog? |
| 06:41.57 | |pez| | what's a corn dog anyway? |
| 06:42.01 | bleeter | did someone say BOOBIES? |
| 06:42.04 | Sixen | ;) |
| 06:42.05 | bleeter | if not, they should have |
| 06:42.05 | Sixen | <3 Pe. |
| 06:42.06 | Sixen | z |
| 06:42.10 | |pez| | like a dog with corn glued to it? |
| 06:42.23 | malreth | |pez|: very close |
| 06:42.31 | Corrodias | a hot dog with some kind of pancake-like substance surrounding it |
| 06:42.32 | malreth | the dog is in tube form |
| 06:42.55 | Corrodias | i'm curious about what Sixen meant by nipples making him feel complete |
| 06:43.22 | Sixen | It's weird. |
| 06:43.29 | Sixen | If you see a boob, you just have to see the nipple. |
| 06:43.44 | |pez| | I don't understand the fascination of The Great Nipple |
| 06:43.47 | Sixen | I could see the whole thing without a nip, and it's just not good enough. I don't know. |
| 06:43.49 | |pez| | is a darker part of your skin. |
| 06:43.56 | |pez| | kinda like a birth mark / mole(?) |
| 06:44.20 | malreth | they give you something to... you know... ... aim for. |
| 06:45.07 | Corrodias | aim? |
| 06:45.22 | Sixen | Lawl |
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| 06:45.27 | Sixen | BULLS EYE! |
| 06:45.35 | Corrodias | but i do know what you mean |
| 06:45.37 | |pez| | malreth: Can you tell me more in details what you do when you aim for the nipples? :P |
| 06:45.43 | Sixen | =p |
| 06:45.43 | malreth | like skee ball |
| 06:45.52 | |pez| | skee ball? |
| 06:45.56 | malreth | there's always those 100 point circles... |
| 06:46.00 | malreth | but they're off to the side |
| 06:46.03 | Corrodias | a nipple is an end, a peak - if the nipple is pretty, it has brought the breast to a close on a beautiful note |
| 06:46.16 | Sixen | Exactly! |
| 06:46.36 | |pez| | Riiiight |
| 06:46.37 | Sixen | It's like watching a movie.. |
| 06:46.38 | Kirov | http://www.gametablesusa.com/Product%20Pics/skee-ball-classic.jpg |
| 06:46.40 | malreth | http://www.skeeball.com/classic.htm |
| 06:46.42 | Sixen | You wait to see the end |
| 06:46.45 | Kirov | Got loves skee ball. |
| 06:46.47 | Sixen | If the end sucks, the movie sucked. |
| 06:46.52 | Kirov | s/got/god/ |
| 06:46.54 | malreth | see... |
| 06:47.02 | malreth | you gotta aim for those 100 point circles |
| 06:47.03 | Corrodias | if the nipple isn't shown, it's like you didn't see the end |
| 06:47.05 | malreth | but they're hard to hit |
| 06:47.26 | |pez| | Oook |
| 06:47.29 | malreth | if your aim is off or just a little to hard... bam! you just impact it on the surface. |
| 06:47.34 | |pez| | but what are you trying to hit them with? :P |
| 06:47.38 | |pez| | oh |
| 06:47.39 | |pez| | right |
| 06:47.40 | |pez| | hurrhur |
| 06:47.47 | Corrodias | i'm not sure |
| 06:47.49 | malreth | <3 |pez| |
| 06:47.50 | Sixen | It's an analogy -_- |
| 06:48.18 | malreth | i said, "face" |
| 06:48.24 | |pez| | I saw |
| 06:49.04 | |pez| | This is where I tell my bf doesn't actually squirt anything, at all, isn't it? |
| 06:49.42 | Sixen | Erm. |
| 06:49.47 | |pez| | :P |
| 06:49.49 | Corrodias | i don't understand; could you add a word? "tell you", or "tell my bf that it", or what? |
| 06:49.54 | Sixen | I'd like to keep it that way. |
| 06:50.01 | Sixen | Hell, I better not be near any "impact" that isn't mine. |
| 06:50.03 | Cairenn | |pez|: you aren't missing anything |
| 06:50.04 | |pez| | tell you* |
| 06:50.21 | |pez| | Cairenn: And the sheets on the bed last longer. :P |
| 06:50.23 | Corrodias | understood |
| 06:50.29 | Sixen | lol |
| 06:50.30 | malreth | lol |
| 06:50.32 | Cairenn | semen in the face, specifically the eyes, is just blech |
| 06:50.38 | Sixen | Sounds painful. |
| 06:50.48 | malreth | Cairenn: you're spoiling the motherly image i have of you |
| 06:50.58 | Cairenn | in the eyes is really really unpleasant |
| 06:50.58 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 06:51.06 | Cairenn | porno flicks to the contrary |
| 06:51.09 | Sixen | LovesToSplooge. |
| 06:51.13 | Corrodias | well how do you think most people become mothers, malreth? |
| 06:51.18 | Sixen | Uh |
| 06:51.20 | Corrodias | Magic! |
| 06:51.24 | Sixen | Definitely didn't get skeet in their eyes. |
| 06:51.25 | Corrodias | in the eye! |
| 06:51.37 | |pez| | Cairenn: I don't mind semen itself really, but I don't appreciate the thought of it being squirted in my eye. :P |
| 06:51.43 | Sixen | heh |
| 06:51.50 | Cairenn | exactly |
| 06:52.01 | Sixen | I wouldn't want it in my eye. |
| 06:52.06 | Sixen | I'd have to hit myself. |
| 06:52.14 | bleeter | wow, interesting convo to stumble in to @ 16:52 on a monday arvo =)) |
| 06:52.17 | Sixen | Heh |
| 06:52.21 | Sixen | wb Bleet ;) |
| 06:52.24 | Corrodias | i'm sure i wouldn't, either, but... i can't imagine a situation in which i'd want it anywhere near me anyway |
| 06:52.24 | |pez| | Last time I had any close contact with semen, it was nice and salty btw. |
| 06:52.27 | |pez| | Just so you know. |
| 06:52.27 | Elkano | wtf? talking about bukkage or what? Oo |
| 06:52.37 | Sixen | Semen is good for you. |
| 06:52.39 | Sixen | It has protein. |
| 06:52.40 | malreth | ~bukakke |
| 06:52.43 | |pez| | protein! |
| 06:52.44 | Cairenn | yet for some odd reason guys seem to think that we like it, that it's like one of our biggest fantasies |
| 06:52.59 | malreth | Cairenn: that would be generalizing |
| 06:53.01 | Nechckn | question about shield-use in WoW... how do they work!? =) does the armor rating get tacked on to your overall rating? and Block- that simply is the amount of damage absorbed by the shield, when it's actually hit, right? |
| 06:53.12 | zenzio | I don't mean to generalize, it's just that all guys are stupid |
| 06:53.17 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 06:53.21 | malreth | generally, that's up to the chick whether or not she like it or not |
| 06:53.21 | Corrodias | yes, Nechckn |
| 06:53.22 | |pez| | lol :D |
| 06:53.40 | Nechckn | Corrodias ty =D |
| 06:54.13 | Elkano | cairenn, wou wouldn't like being spilled over and over with some sticky liquid ;) |
| 06:54.25 | Elkano | wou? ... who ^^ |
| 06:54.31 | |pez| | I'm btw, contemplating going to make breakfast. I bought some freshly baked bread, and shrimps today. Was thinking bread, lettuce, majo, shrimp sandwich. |
| 06:54.41 | |pez| | So brb. |
| 06:55.15 | bleeter | heya Sixen :) |
| 06:55.18 | Sixen | =] |
| 06:55.29 | Sixen | Pez, how about some skeet in your sandwhich? |
| 06:55.33 | Sixen | I know it's your fantasy |
| 06:55.39 | malreth | as usual, this is all my fault now |
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| 06:55.43 | Sixen | <3 |
| 06:55.48 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:55.52 | malreth | ~lart Sixen |
| 06:55.52 | purl | burns Sixen to a crisp with a laser |
| 06:55.52 | Sixen | See what you started, mal? |
| 06:55.54 | Shirik | is this really what happens in this channel at 3 AM? |
| 06:55.59 | Sixen | Shirik, run. |
| 06:56.00 | malreth | no |
| 06:56.01 | Sixen | Run for your life. |
| 06:56.05 | bleeter | Cairenn: I think that's 'coz of the amounts of soggy biscuit games those types of guys have played in their teens ;) |
| 06:56.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:56.23 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 06:57.06 | Corrodias | can't say as i ever have... |
| 06:57.46 | malreth | i don't think i could ever get off like that |
| 06:57.58 | malreth | which, from what i understand, means i'd lose |
| 06:58.07 | bleeter | aye |
| 06:58.18 | bleeter | or win, I guess, depending on your orientation |
| 06:59.07 | Cairenn | Shirik: frequently, although not always (what happens in this channel at 3am) |
| 06:59.37 | bleeter | 'cept it's 5PM kiddy primetime here :P |
| 06:59.40 | Corrodias | what happens at wowi stays... |
| 07:01.02 | Shirik | inches...from...finishing...third.....problem |
| 07:01.03 | zenzio | I just find it sad that apparently so many young guys have to resort to humiliation in order to feel good |
| 07:01.08 | Shirik | I never want to see another integral again |
| 07:01.16 | Rabbitbunny | Hmm, how do I get [Arena Grand Master]? |
| 07:01.39 | Corrodias | you humiliate 5 other pvp teams |
| 07:01.53 | Rabbitbunny | Hmm. not happening at level 1. |
| 07:02.03 | |pez| | .. soggy biscuit games? |
| 07:02.22 | Rabbitbunny | this sucks, people keep posting items that you can't get at lvl1 to 'perfect lvl1 twink!!!' threads. |
| 07:02.26 | malreth | |pez|: it's what frat guys do to each other to convince themselves that they're not gay |
| 07:02.27 | Cairenn | |pez|: http://www.urbandictionary.com/ |
| 07:03.04 | bleeter | Cairenn: I'm so glad you didn't cite the wikipedia entry ;) |
| 07:03.09 | Corrodias | i do not recommend sound such things |
| 07:03.13 | Corrodias | sound? doing |
| 07:03.20 | Corrodias | i must be getting sleepy |
| 07:04.03 | bleeter | quick, someone good with the power of suggestion, suggest to corrodias that every crit henceforth must be followed by clucking like a chicken on vent |
| 07:04.22 | malreth | Corrodias: listen to my voice |
| 07:04.30 | Corrodias | that'd be cool if i still played wow >_> |
| 07:04.31 | malreth | my mind to your mind |
| 07:04.36 | malreth | your mind to my mind |
| 07:04.40 | malreth | our minds are one |
| 07:04.42 | |pez| | ... oh |
| 07:04.52 | Cairenn | |pez|: yeah |
| 07:05.23 | gramg | any reason when I post a comment to a file on the site that it takes me to the "no comments posted" and yet if I renavigate to the file it posted fine? |
| 07:05.37 | Cairenn | gramg: what site? |
| 07:05.49 | gramg | WoWUI |
| 07:05.53 | Corrodias | youtube |
| 07:06.07 | Cairenn | no idea, and don't think there is anyone from wowui in here |
| 07:06.15 | Cairenn | so can't ask them |
| 07:06.29 | gramg | WoWInterface :) that other one doesn't exist in my mind ;) |
| 07:06.53 | Cairenn | WoWI != WoWUI |
| 07:07.05 | Cairenn | != != !- |
| 07:07.14 | gramg | lol |
| 07:07.24 | gramg | ok WoWI then :) |
| 07:07.30 | Cairenn | as to why ... what page? |
| 07:07.41 | Corrodias | !|!| |
| 07:07.48 | gramg | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9385-NazScrooge.html#comments . . . the one you moved for me the other day |
| 07:08.23 | |pez| | aww he left. :( |
| 07:08.53 | zenzio | probably had something to... take care of... before bed |
| 07:10.04 | Corrodias | my guess... would be... that there is a bug |
| 07:10.06 | |pez| | I'll take a wild guess and say a bug did it! </unhelpfull> |
| 07:10.08 | zenzio | sounds like it queries the database for comments before posting |
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| 07:10.20 | Dolby | works for me |
| 07:10.25 | gramg | yea just tried it again with a test comment |
| 07:10.30 | Dolby | guessing a cacheing issue on your end? |
| 07:10.33 | Cairenn | gramg: what browser are you using? |
| 07:10.37 | gramg | Opera |
| 07:10.37 | |pez| | Or that it just echos/prints the wrong thing. |
| 07:10.50 | |pez| | Opera doesn't play nice with Vista. :\ |
| 07:11.01 | gramg | it doesn't show any comments though gives the "be the first to comment. . . " page |
| 07:11.11 | zenzio | |pez|: no-one wants to play with Vista anyway |
| 07:11.11 | gramg | otherwise I'd have assumed it was cache |
| 07:11.21 | |pez| | I play with Vista! |
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| 07:11.57 | gramg | hate that OS . . . think I need a few more years to get used to it before I'll allow it on any of my pcs |
| 07:12.15 | |pez| | and thext time I'm eating a slice of bread with shrimp... I'm gonna let the shrimp dry off a bit first. |
| 07:12.26 | |pez| | (this is like peeled shrimp in some liquid goo) |
| 07:12.34 | Corrodias | ew? |
| 07:12.50 | zenzio | you shouldn't be saying that after the discussion from 10 minutes ago |
| 07:13.08 | gramg | anyway not a big deal just wanted to bring it to your guys' attention in case there was a bug floating around. If you have time please remove my test comment. |
| 07:13.26 | gramg | and thanks for looking into it |
| 07:13.27 | Corrodias | sexual concepts occupy an entirely different portion of my mind from where other conversation occurs |
| 07:13.31 | Cairenn | deleted |
| 07:13.33 | |pez| | zenzio: this is food, not someone aiming their stuff at a cookie. :P |
| 07:13.37 | Corrodias | conundrum: it is time for me to sleep, but i have a cat on my lap and cannot move |
| 07:13.44 | zenzio | |pez|: someone did offer to |
| 07:14.00 | |pez| | wait, what? |
| 07:14.21 | zenzio | <Sixen> Pez, how about some skeet in your sandwhich? |
| 07:14.43 | |pez| | -__-' |
| 07:14.45 | Dolby | test posted in latest opera vista64 |
| 07:15.09 | Dolby | worked for me, doesnt look like its on our side /shrug |
| 07:15.16 | ReAn | hey Dolby |
| 07:15.41 | gramg | as long as it's just me, appriciate you looking into it Dolby |
| 07:16.14 | Dolby | if you find any more info on it please let me know. I'll keep looking into it |
| 07:16.19 | ReAn | Dolby, it's Voorije here |
| 07:16.32 | ReAn | i tried to cap my bug on video but the danm thing is camera shy :( |
| 07:17.03 | ReAn | OOOH |
| 07:17.05 | ReAn | THERE IT GOES |
| 07:17.56 | Dolby | I dont know what I would be able to do if you did catch it on video |
| 07:17.58 | Corrodias | i want rum |
| 07:18.06 | Dolby | we dont use much js |
| 07:18.46 | Dolby | trying to think of anything thats in common of wowwiki |
| 07:19.00 | Dolby | err with |
| 07:19.17 | Cairenn | does wow wiki have a blizz is hiring js box? |
| 07:20.02 | Dolby | its flash, not js ;) |
| 07:20.05 | ReAn | well i just caught it on video |
| 07:20.08 | Dolby | but dont think sop |
| 07:20.10 | Dolby | err so |
| 07:20.11 | Cairenn | errr, right |
| 07:20.37 | ReAn | let me encode it and upload |
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| 07:23.19 | ReAn | I was idle on community portal fine, then 10 minutes later my CPU was through the roof, i close the wowi tab and it stabilizes, open a new one and bam, i even re-loaded opera too (which you can see in the video) |
| 07:23.26 | ReAn | it's just uploading right now |
| 07:24.33 | ReAn | I've pm'ed you the link |
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| 07:31.39 | ReAn | Dolby: i don't seem to get the problem with gmail tho, which is entirely jscript |
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| 07:33.08 | Dolby | I dont use opera that much, does it have addons? what are you using? |
| 07:33.26 | ReAn | opera is designed around having things built in |
| 07:33.33 | ReAn | so you dont fall prey to 3rd party code |
| 07:33.38 | ReAn | i.e. viruses |
| 07:33.44 | ReAn | it has some addon capability |
| 07:33.47 | ReAn | this copy is fresh |
| 07:33.54 | ReAn | all i have is the latest flash |
| 07:34.44 | ReAn | it has some rather uinque features for web development tho, which is why i like it, that and im completely addicted to mouse gestures |
| 07:36.15 | Cairenn | mouse *gestures* ? |
| 07:36.22 | ReAn | yea |
| 07:36.29 | Corrodias | i used opera for a while. the only thing i liked were the mouse gestures, and i have an addon for firefox for that |
| 07:36.36 | Corrodias | not that i disliked anything |
| 07:36.40 | ReAn | right click anywhere and hold, drag mouse right and let go and it is the same as clicking forward |
| 07:36.45 | Corrodias | coming out of IE, tabs and gestures were awesome |
| 07:37.10 | ReAn | until FF3 opera was always the smaller footprint, faster alternative |
| 07:37.15 | ReAn | with better standards compliance |
| 07:37.30 | ReAn | it also was the first browser to pass the Acid3 test |
| 07:37.51 | Shirik | Cairenn: don't let him fool you |
| 07:37.54 | Shirik | mouse gestures are a sin |
| 07:37.57 | Corrodias | i think i heard of that once |
| 07:38.02 | Corrodias | but i'm not familiar now |
| 07:38.06 | Shirik | they made my head explode in less than an hour |
| 07:38.15 | Shirik | then I went back to firefox and never looked back |
| 07:38.23 | ReAn | lol |
| 07:38.28 | Corrodias | Shirik: firefox has them too |
| 07:38.29 | Corrodias | muahaha |
| 07:38.40 | Shirik | well they're hidden sufficiently enough that I haven't had them pop up :P |
| 07:38.45 | ReAn | i've always hated FF cuz it's just as vulnerable as i.e. but it's more idiot proof |
| 07:38.47 | Corrodias | pop up? |
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| 07:39.55 | ReAn | i did a test once |
| 07:40.01 | ReAn | i opened up 50 tabs of www.ign.com |
| 07:40.09 | ReAn | in firefox it was like 700+mb and 100% cpu |
| 07:40.18 | ReAn | opera handled it with about 150mb and 25% cpu |
| 07:40.20 | Corrodias | the cpu usage calms down |
| 07:40.25 | ReAn | but this was FF2 |
| 07:40.32 | Xinhuan | tried it with ff3? |
| 07:40.40 | ReAn | 50 tabs of google.ca tho |
| 07:40.46 | zenzio | in FF2 I could have 750+ MB if I opened a ton of tabs, with FF3 I can't seem to go above 300 no matter what I do |
| 07:40.46 | ReAn | FF2 was 150mb and 10% cpu |
| 07:40.47 | Corrodias | although the memory usage increases to 1.5gb if you open/close them for a while |
| 07:41.00 | ReAn | but 50 googles in opera was like 12mb |
| 07:41.01 | ReAn | lol |
| 07:41.05 | Corrodias | 3 does admittedly do a hell of a lot better |
| 07:41.12 | ReAn | yea |
| 07:41.19 | ReAn | i reccomend FF to my friends |
| 07:41.28 | ReAn | i only reccomend opera to entusiasts |
| 07:41.36 | Corrodias | browser enthusiasts? |
| 07:41.42 | Corrodias | there is such a thing? :o |
| 07:41.44 | ReAn | web enthusiasts |
| 07:41.50 | ReAn | developers |
| 07:41.51 | ReAn | etc... |
| 07:41.57 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 07:42.03 | ReAn | it's got some wicked development tools |
| 07:42.03 | Shirik | WebDev toolbar is kinda hardcore |
| 07:42.09 | ReAn | like live DOM inspection |
| 07:42.11 | Shirik | I would like to see opera top that |
| 07:42.19 | Shirik | psh |
| 07:42.19 | Corrodias | i have nothing against opera; i enjoy these addons i have in firefox, but i don't ever develop pages |
| 07:42.23 | ReAn | DOM Snapshots |
| 07:42.24 | zenzio | what in particular does Opera have that you can't get with Firebug? |
| 07:42.25 | ReAn | etc... |
| 07:42.40 | Shirik | all easily done with a single addon, ReAn |
| 07:42.42 | Corrodias | i smell an argument so i'm going to back away slowly |
| 07:43.17 | ReAn | Opera still has the fastest rendering engine, but FF3's been pulling close |
| 07:43.27 | ReAn | but they've ALWAYS had the fastest rendering engine |
| 07:43.58 | ReAn | zenzio: Out of the box it's 100x more secure than firebug |
| 07:44.14 | ReAn | you dont have to load it full of plugins to nanny your web browsing |
| 07:44.37 | zenzio | I've never had any issues with FF that I needed to resort to addons to fix |
| 07:44.45 | ReAn | higher adherance to web standards |
| 07:45.04 | ReAn | it's rendering engine is ace |
| 07:45.10 | zenzio | FF is close enough for now. Until IE catches up people won't follow the standard comlpetely |
| 07:45.16 | ReAn | it's got lots of neat features that make browsing rock |
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| 07:45.42 | ReAn | fuck, it's got built in voice recognition & commands |
| 07:45.45 | ReAn | if you so care |
| 07:45.46 | zenzio | I should say I don't have any issues with Opera, I find it a very good browser, I just prefer FF |
| 07:46.18 | ReAn | search shortcuts i find more usefull than the search bar (which opera has anyway) |
| 07:46.34 | ReAn | i just type "g books" in the titlebar and it searches google for 'books' |
| 07:46.40 | ReAn | i can configure as many as i want too |
| 07:46.45 | ReAn | i have wi for wiki |
| 07:46.54 | zenzio | you can do that in FF too |
| 07:46.55 | ReAn | "wi nitroglycerine" |
| 07:46.59 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 07:47.06 | ReAn | not of out of the box? |
| 07:47.08 | Corrodias | i don't remember how, but i could find out |
| 07:47.15 | ReAn | in the address bar? |
| 07:47.18 | zenzio | yes out of the box |
| 07:47.21 | Nargiddley | its just as easy as opera |
| 07:47.33 | ReAn | the rendering controls are my lifesaver tho |
| 07:47.40 | ReAn | lemmie record a quick video to show you |
| 07:47.45 | zenzio | right click text entry box, "Add a Keyword for this Search" |
| 07:48.01 | Nargiddley | I recently switched from opera to ff, theres only a couple of things I miss so far |
| 07:48.19 | Nargiddley | find in page search box for one |
| 07:48.25 | |pez| | I was pretty much forced to switch to FF recently. |
| 07:48.36 | Corrodias | find in page search box? |
| 07:49.14 | |pez| | Opera errors out on me ocasionally when I... try to click links. |
| 07:49.24 | Nargiddley | works like the ctral+f search bar, but in the toolbar next to the google search box |
| 07:49.28 | Nechckn | sorry, but being able to use either "FF" or "IE" rendering was really nice for testing |
| 07:49.32 | |pez| | It seems to want to steal memory from others programs, and... Vista doesn't let it do it. |
| 07:49.41 | Dolby | well did find a recent typo in my css syntax, fixed that. would be weird if that was it though |
| 07:50.25 | ReAn | Dolby: Opera's extremely good at guessing what you meant in typos ~_^ |
| 07:50.47 | Corrodias | Nargiddley: you can turn on "start searching when i start typing" and you don't even have to press control+f to open the search box |
| 07:51.00 | ReAn | easy shortcut for that is / as well |
| 07:51.15 | Corrodias | ah, indeed :o |
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| 07:51.36 | Dolby | I dunno, I've had many things render ok by forgetting to close a tag some where in IE/FF/Safari but show up in Opera |
| 07:51.42 | Nargiddley | I'm just used to having it there, the toolbars in general are less customizable in FF |
| 07:52.22 | ReAn | Nargiddley: i could never ever do without the page-resizing |
| 07:52.42 | Nargiddley | That is nice, but I never used it really |
| 07:52.49 | ReAn | use it all the time |
| 07:53.07 | Nargiddley | Opera mobile on my phone, so I get to appreciate it where it counts tho :D |
| 07:53.08 | ReAn | it's great for zooming in on those youtube embeds w/o fullscreen button |
| 07:53.20 | ReAn | http://hosted.reanmachine.com/Opera-Awesome[XviD].avi <--- seriously |
| 07:53.32 | Nargiddley | ah just the zoom ? |
| 07:53.44 | Nargiddley | ff3 does that just as well :P |
| 07:54.15 | Corrodias | does it? i want to say i saw an addon for that but i don't remember it |
| 07:54.23 | ReAn | seriously |
| 07:54.30 | ReAn | everyone argues "oh FF3 does that" |
| 07:54.35 | ReAn | opera's been doing this for years |
| 07:54.42 | ReAn | FF3 is just catching up |
| 07:54.45 | Nargiddley | well I haven't installed any addons for the zoom |
| 07:54.49 | ReAn | there's a built in irc/torrent client as well |
| 07:54.53 | ReAn | widget engine |
| 07:55.03 | ReAn | and tonnes of other features |
| 07:55.11 | Nargiddley | I used opera for years untill about a month ago, I know what it can do :P |
| 07:55.14 | Corrodias | how do you work it? i am still stuck on 2 on this machine and can't experiment |
| 07:55.16 | ReAn | most of which you have to install about 20+ extensions in FF to get the functionality |
| 07:56.13 | Corrodias | sigh, how did it get so late on sunday night already? i was just starting to relax, away from work |
| 07:56.13 | ReAn | the toolbars have better customization, the themes and skins can go a long way but it comes with a nice and easy to use one off the bat |
| 07:56.42 | ReAn | it's got excelent cookie/history/transfers manager(s) |
| 07:57.17 | ReAn | block content feature makes ad blocking quick and painless and wont ever block legitimate content |
| 07:57.30 | ReAn | automatic and SMART popup protection |
| 07:57.32 | zenzio | I appreciate that you're happy with Opera, we're not trying to dissuade you; but we're allowed to prefer FF :-p |
| 07:57.44 | Corrodias | what can i say? i moved to FF years ago to get features that Opera didn't have and either haven't missed what it had or have gotten addons that do just what i want |
| 07:58.04 | Corrodias | i couldn't even tell you any more what the features were because it was so long ago |
| 07:58.47 | ReAn | i moved to opera from FF about 3 years ago |
| 07:59.04 | ReAn | i usually run with just Opera & IE6 |
| 07:59.19 | ReAn | IE6 for whenever you need some pesky microshit thing to work |
| 07:59.30 | ReAn | and they're too anal to try and make thier shit globally compliant |
| 07:59.35 | ReAn | cuz they're a bunch of cocksuckers |
| 07:59.43 | Corrodias | i think you misunderstand what anal-retentive means |
| 07:59.49 | ReAn | IE6 cuz IE7 is just bloatware |
| 07:59.51 | Corrodias | it has been at least 3 years for me, perhaps more |
| 08:00.06 | Corrodias | or perhaps less. my sense of time is poor. |
| 08:00.53 | ReAn | i still havent seen anything in FF that has made me want to get it, cuz it's just more of stuff i've had for years really |
| 08:01.02 | ReAn | that's why i stick to opera |
| 08:01.08 | ReAn | i reccomend FF to people tho |
| 08:01.12 | ReAn | all the time |
| 08:01.14 | Corrodias | so they end up being about the same |
| 08:01.29 | Corrodias | unless there's something very specific that one can do |
| 08:01.47 | Corrodias | that the user needs, i mean. i can't put this in one sentence because it somehow is very late |
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| 08:01.54 | ReAn | still waiting for a feature so godly that it'd make me actually care :/ |
| 08:02.08 | ReAn | danm thing would have to give blowjobs really... |
| 08:02.15 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 08:03.24 | Corrodias | greetings |
| 08:04.06 | Kirov | I'm a FF3 user, and I've never actually used Opera except way way back when around netscape's hay day. For IE I actually use a FF plugin called IETab that lets FF use the chrome renderer. |
| 08:05.32 | Corrodias | chrome? isn't that what FF already uses? |
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| 08:05.48 | Corrodias | or at least it calls a lot of things "chrome", not necessarily the rendering thingy |
| 08:08.55 | NeoTron | so me and a frienda re boh in the first wowi beta batch |
| 08:09.24 | NeoTron | expecting it this week.. when he's stuck on vacation with his wife's family in Canada >:-) |
| 08:09.34 | Corrodias | wowi beta: wrath of the cairenn |
| 08:09.52 | Cairenn | Corrodias: lol, what? |
| 08:10.05 | Kirov | chrome is the name of firefox's styles, it's also the original name of IE 3's page renderer. |
| 08:10.12 | Corrodias | see cuz it's like a beta of wowi and not wow |
| 08:10.15 | NeoTron | I'll try to port my addons quickly but I have a feeling I have to "test" deathknight |
| 08:10.27 | Nechckn | it doesn't smell quite as good as the Burning Cairenn did, though |
| 08:10.33 | Cairenn | ! |
| 08:10.42 | Nechckn | mmmm... |
| 08:10.52 | Corrodias | mm, yes |
| 08:11.05 | Corrodias | worchestershire sauce |
| 08:11.37 | Nechckn | toss a few pieces of hickory on that fire... |
| 08:11.54 | Nechckn | pass around a Cairenn Wing |
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| 08:12.05 | Corrodias | mixing that with soy sauce and lots of garlic and pepper produces something that smells remarkably similar to A1 steak sauce, although i believe it takes very little like it |
| 08:12.20 | Corrodias | not tangy; i don't know what they use to give that effect |
| 08:12.34 | Nechckn | A1 is actually sort of scary if you read the ingredients |
| 08:12.57 | Nechckn | well, when you compare them to what A1 looks like, that is |
| 08:13.50 | Corrodias | oh? i haven't seen that stuff in years, but now i'm curious about the ingredients |
| 08:14.09 | Nechckn | it's main ingredient is tomato paste |
| 08:15.42 | Nechckn | I've been on a "light" bbq kick as of late- mostly olive oil, vinegar, oregano, garlic, and a few other goodies |
| 08:16.10 | Nechckn | For chicken, that is |
| 08:16.55 | Corrodias | i'm pretty new to cooking, but i've found i enjoy the result of grilling |
| 08:17.27 | Nechckn | it's really a good place to begin- it's pretty forgiving |
| 08:17.54 | Corrodias | and simple; marinade + meat + heat = food |
| 08:18.25 | Nechckn | I mean, after a while you can really make some amazing things- but, as you point out- those sorts of things are usually tastey and ez |
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| 08:20.48 | Corrodias | i need an outdoor light or something, though |
| 08:20.58 | Corrodias | i like to cook and eat late at night, and it's hard to see what you're doing without any light |
| 08:21.20 | Nechckn | ha...yeah, that can be a real issue =) |
| 08:24.21 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, use the light of the fire wuss |
| 08:25.12 | |pez| | I want another slice of bread. |
| 08:25.21 | Corrodias | it is propane, obscured by the thick bars. furthermore, that just lights the underside of the food, and doesn't do anything for you if you pull it off for a moment to check the temp/inside |
| 08:26.40 | bleeter | I need to go to the shop, but I'm not wearing pants. Such a dilemma. |
| 08:27.07 | Corrodias | no shirt/shoes/service... doesn't mention pants |
| 08:28.19 | bleeter | hmmm |
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| 08:29.02 | orionshock | morning all |
| 08:29.21 | orionshock | i got a problem with wowi's updater program running under linux |
| 08:29.43 | Corrodias | okay. the next version will only run under mac OS 8. |
| 08:30.17 | orionshock | hehe, problem is that it's installing the addons to \Interface\Addons instead of \Interface\AddOns |
| 08:30.52 | bleeter | create a symlink, and hassle Shirik about case sensitivity for Interface\AddOns in the WoWI updater |
| 08:31.04 | bleeter | although I think that single sentence will prolly ping Shirik with enough info ;) |
| 08:31.43 | Shirik | there are a lot of issues that need to be fixed; it's currently under a major overhaul |
| 08:31.49 | Shirik | this is only one of many things that needs to be adjusted |
| 08:31.59 | bleeter | sounds like the symlink route would be the easiest workaround |
| 08:33.09 | orionshock | eek that worked, didn't even have to dive into a terminal :D |
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| 08:34.06 | Mike-N-Go | orionshock: How did you may the symlink without using the terminal? |
| 08:34.16 | orionshock | ubuntu |
| 08:34.21 | orionshock | right click - make link :D |
| 08:34.47 | bleeter | yeah, many file managers have that type of functionality. which desktop, orionshock? KDE, Gnome, XFCE etc.? |
| 08:34.48 | Nechckn | Wait... wait... Shirik the Defender of All Things Case Sensitive has his updater installing to the incorrect folder because of what? |
| 08:35.14 | orionshock | gnome |
| 08:35.14 | Corrodias | i've wanted to think of a reason to play with a linux virtual machine, but i can't think of anything :( |
| 08:35.14 | Shirik | because I like Addons better than AddOns |
| 08:35.14 | Shirik | I hate that capitalization |
| 08:35.19 | orionshock | ... ok, let me tell you my story |
| 08:35.29 | Nechckn | I am touching myself in your general direction, Shirik |
| 08:35.44 | Nechckn | That has made me so very happy |
| 08:35.45 | Shirik | not to mention even blizzard is now inconsistent in their naming convention |
| 08:36.05 | Nechckn | bLIZZARD? hehehhehe |
| 08:36.09 | bleeter | 'i hate capitalisation therefore I'll break my app on 2 out of 3 of it's target platforms' :P |
| 08:36.23 | Nechckn | Hahahaha |
| 08:36.29 | orionshock | starting at 1am, install Ubuntu, 2:30am, copying over wow install files, 3:30ish install wow and patch, 5:00 log into wow |
| 08:36.31 | orionshock | :D |
| 08:36.47 | Nechckn | not bad |
| 08:36.51 | Nechckn | not bad at all |
| 08:36.52 | |pez| | Ubuntu and WoW installation? |
| 08:37.01 | |pez| | how does that work? 0.o |
| 08:37.03 | |pez| | did I miss something? |
| 08:37.07 | bleeter | wine |
| 08:37.10 | orionshock | my frame rate is 35+ consistantly and my ping droped from ~100ms-200ms down to about 30 |
| 08:37.18 | |pez| | Oh, right. |
| 08:37.22 | Shirik | bleeter: That wasn't what I was saying |
| 08:37.31 | Shirik | When I wrote the code, I wasn't thinking, and I wrote Addons, that's all |
| 08:37.34 | bleeter | |pez|: or some funky virtual machine foo |
| 08:37.43 | Corrodias | your latency dropped? that sounds... unusual |
| 08:37.46 | bleeter | Shirik: I figured as much, was just stirring you mate. soz if you took offence. |
| 08:37.47 | orionshock | correction, my ping is stitting at 19 atm |
| 08:37.56 | |pez| | I'm soooooort of wanting to go go back to XP |
| 08:38.07 | |pez| | I think WoW and Vista disagrees and make my latency bad. |
| 08:38.09 | |pez| | and fps |
| 08:38.25 | Corrodias | vista will do anything it can to make you dislike it, from what i have heard |
| 08:38.45 | bleeter | I'm going to go back to Vista when Wrath comes out, assuming it'll have some DX10 majiks inside... just to take a look. |
| 08:38.51 | |pez| | I like Vista, but it doesn't like Opera, and WoW seems to be kinda choppy. |
| 08:39.09 | bleeter | and by 'back', I mean.. Vista lasted less than 10 mins on my lappy before it pissed me off enough to fdisk and put XP on it. |
| 08:39.10 | Nechckn | actually, anyone used to *nix should like Vista more than the previous versions |
| 08:39.12 | |pez| | Maybe I should try... Virtual Machine thingies. |
| 08:39.32 | bleeter | can't update the clock for security reasons. the reson? the clock's wrong, so please update the clock. screw that. fdisk. |
| 08:39.36 | Nechckn | seeing as how it now does many things that *nix has for years |
| 08:39.55 | Corrodias | lol |
| 08:39.56 | bleeter | proper shell? |
| 08:40.19 | Nechckn | compared to XP and prior, sheepy |
| 08:40.27 | Nechckn | not saying it's perfect |
| 08:40.29 | |pez| | hrm, maybe I should go take a shower. |
| 08:40.33 | Nechckn | but "better" |
| 08:40.34 | bleeter | i recall the story of whatsisname hijacking a Win2K promotion seminar or something, where MS said they'd have a full shell. He stood up and said something like 'poppycock, it isn't a preoper shell' |
| 08:41.12 | Corrodias | i'm a little shaky on what a shell is. it has been so long since i was into that. :( |
| 08:41.12 | bleeter | the MS droid took him on, and after a couple of minutes this guy said 'Well I am Dave Korn' |
| 08:41.32 | bleeter | at least, that's the story I recall |
| 08:41.35 | Nechckn | Corrodias it's that thing on a turtle =P |
| 08:41.43 | Corrodias | should "Dave Korn" be significant? |
| 08:42.17 | bleeter | Corrodias: one of the more widely used *nix shells, Korn shell, from AT&T early 80's |
| 08:42.21 | Corrodias | wasn't there a ban named korn or something? |
| 08:42.32 | Nechckn | hehehe that too |
| 08:42.47 | Corrodias | the developer of that shell? |
| 08:43.10 | |pez| | I'll assume so :P |
| 08:43.17 | |pez| | that he was the developer of that shell thing. |
| 08:43.24 | Corrodias | so besides starting processes, what did that shell do? why is Explorer supposedly not a "proper" one? |
| 08:43.31 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Korn#Korn_shell_and_Microsoft |
| 08:43.52 | Arrowmaster | you might want to learn the difference between Explorer and a shell |
| 08:44.02 | Corrodias | Arrowmaster: that's kinda why i'm asking, see |
| 08:44.17 | Arrowmaster | a shell is a command line interface |
| 08:44.19 | bleeter | Corrodias: *nix shell -> DOS prompt on steroids |
| 08:44.37 | bleeter | or DOS prompt -> severely beaten up and underpowered *nix shell |
| 08:44.52 | Corrodias | i've used both; i jsut didn't know that a shell must be command-line only |
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| 08:45.33 | bleeter | just another example of MS and Apple taking another word, widely understood in the industry for 20+ years, and screwing the ability of multi platform developers from understanding each other |
| 08:45.59 | bleeter | Apple's widgets... *shudder* |
| 08:46.00 | Corrodias | i won't deny that |
| 08:46.41 | Shirik | Okay, admittedly I'm a sucker for instrumentals, but this is an awesome song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl0lxuLt5vg |
| 08:46.48 | Fisker- | bow to your gods bleeter |
| 08:47.00 | Shirik | and no, it's not piano the entire time :P |
| 08:47.27 | bleeter | Fisker-: apple gods? i will when they properly patch their freakin OSX clients for the DNS vulnerability that's now live and hit Austin Texas AT&T users trying to visit google last week ;) |
| 08:47.50 | Fisker- | nah |
| 08:47.52 | Fisker- | Microsoft is |
| 08:47.56 | Fisker- | bbl |
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| 08:58.05 | ReAn | is it a national holiday tomorrow in the US? |
| 08:58.32 | Corrodias | not that i'm aware of; at least not one that gets you off work |
| 08:58.45 | ReAn | ah |
| 08:58.52 | ReAn | it is up here in canada for some reason |
| 08:59.00 | ReAn | i was worried blizz would be off work tomorrow :p |
| 09:02.39 | Corrodias | i must sleep. ''ni |
| 09:08.30 | Shirik | ReAn, holiday for what? |
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| 09:23.23 | Codayus | Hmm, google tells me Aug 4th is New Brunswick Day, but that's only celebrated |
| 09:23.31 | Codayus | In New Brunswick, I'd assume. |
| 09:23.55 | Codayus | But that's PART of Canada, so perhaps that's what ReAn is talking about? |
| 09:26.44 | Codayus | Seems like a fairly pointless holiday, actually. Apparently the provincial legislature picked the date in 1976 because it was free, and because they wanted an extra holiday. I admire their efficiency. |
| 09:27.17 | Codayus | Most places would have least made something up about some random animal or planting flowers or something, but no, not them... |
| 09:27.33 | |pez| | I like random pointless holidays. |
| 09:27.37 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 09:27.53 | Codayus | I admire them, actually. |
| 09:28.02 | |pez| | No one needs to die to have a yearly holiday! |
| 09:28.03 | Codayus | Boxing day is another good holiday. |
| 09:28.49 | |pez| | Boxing day? |
| 09:29.25 | Codayus | Not celebrated in the US, because the US is boring that way. |
| 09:29.32 | Codayus | Basically, it's the day after Christmas. |
| 09:30.00 | Codayus | Celebrated because it's the day after Christmas, so you might as well have another holiday to recover from Christmas. Very logical. |
| 09:30.04 | bleeter | non-english speaking EU countries, iirc, have it as some saint's day. |
| 09:30.08 | |pez| | Oh, we have that |
| 09:30.27 | bleeter | you're meant to put your unwanted presents from Christmas day into a box and give it to the poor :P |
| 09:30.34 | |pez| | we normally have the 25th of. |
| 09:30.48 | |pez| | Oh XD |
| 09:31.25 | bleeter | feat of st stephen, that's the one |
| 09:31.27 | bleeter | er |
| 09:31.29 | bleeter | feast |
| 09:31.37 | Codayus | |pez|: Pft, doesn't count though. |
| 09:31.46 | Codayus | It's not an official holiday. :-) |
| 09:32.23 | |pez| | In norway 25th of december publicy accepted as a part of Christmas. :p |
| 09:32.34 | |pez| | the part where we have a few days off. |
| 09:32.35 | bleeter | the way to get aussies to do anything -> tell them there's a public holiday for them upon completion |
| 09:33.01 | |pez| | I was in Scotland once! .. And celebrated Australia day... |
| 09:34.21 | Codayus | |pez|: Uh, I'm not sure how to tell you this. But the 25th *IS* Christmas. |
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| 09:34.32 | |pez| | Not for us. |
| 09:34.34 | |pez| | or |
| 09:34.36 | |pez| | rather |
| 09:34.39 | Codayus | Um. |
| 09:34.42 | |pez| | We get presents on the 24th |
| 09:34.49 | |pez| | that is for us, Christmas. |
| 09:35.18 | Codayus | ....no, not really. |
| 09:35.20 | |pez| | it's a working day though, but a very short one. |
| 09:35.35 | Codayus | Christmas Day is the 25th. Period. You can give presents on Christmas Eve; that's not uncommon. |
| 09:35.58 | SmarkWoW | does lua support "and" and "or" in its IF statements? Is so, whats the styntax for that? |
| 09:36.01 | |pez| | But ok |
| 09:36.02 | |pez| | you win. |
| 09:36.02 | SmarkWoW | syntax* |
| 09:36.05 | Codayus | :-p |
| 09:36.27 | Codayus | Hey, YOU'RE the ones with a state religion. Not knowing the date of Christmas is probably blasphemy. |
| 09:36.30 | Codayus | Or treason. |
| 09:36.35 | Codayus | Probably BOTH. |
| 09:36.44 | |pez| | I'm not for state religion |
| 09:36.44 | zenzio | it's the state's religion, we're not forced to believe in that crap |
| 09:36.53 | Codayus | SmarkWoW: Sure. But they're a little weird... |
| 09:36.53 | Mery | if (mery and addon) then crash() end |
| 09:37.03 | |pez| | and there's discussion around there not being a state religion anymore. |
| 09:37.11 | Codayus | |pez|: Don't care. :-p |
| 09:37.50 | SmarkWoW | if (arg2 == "SPELL_HEAL") or (arg2 == "SPELL_PERIODIC_HEAL") then worked |
| 09:38.07 | |pez| | I couldn't give a flying f about which date jesus was born, I still get presents on the 24th. Not the 25th |
| 09:38.19 | |pez| | the 25th is like a sunday to me, nothign special, stuff is just closed. |
| 09:38.25 | |pez| | wait |
| 09:38.26 | |pez| | hm |
| 09:38.43 | |pez| | is it newyears when jesus is born, or chri... religion... I hate you. |
| 09:38.56 | Codayus | Anyhow, according to Wikipedia, you celebrate St Stephen's Day on the 26th. Also according to Wikipedia, you don't celebrate St Stephen's day at all, and it's actually the "2nd day of christmas". |
| 09:39.03 | Codayus | Although I suppose for YOU it'd be the third. |
| 09:39.05 | Codayus | :-p |
| 09:39.14 | zenzio | no, it's 2nd |
| 09:39.25 | zenzio | christmas eve, 1st day of christmas, 2nd day of christmas |
| 09:39.46 | Codayus | Not for pez, apparently. :-p (Also, New Years is a purely secular holiday. Well, for Christians.) |
| 09:39.46 | |pez| | 2nd day of christmas is the 26th, for us. |
| 09:39.46 | zenzio | (24th - 26th) |
| 09:40.26 | bleeter | pfft, it's all roman holiday remnants |
| 09:40.53 | bleeter | prolyl going back to mesopotamia, if not further. winter solstice, and stuff.. rebirth, etc. etc. |
| 09:40.58 | Codayus | Although most flavors of pagans would probably celebrate the solstice rather than new years, since it's a christian calendar. |
| 09:41.32 | |pez| | I want to go have a nap. :\ |
| 09:41.37 | Kirkburn | Anyone know of a mount/companion mod updated for WotLK? |
| 09:42.16 | Codayus | Then again, Christmas is a pretty pagan holiday; you're essentially worshipping a tree... |
| 09:42.41 | Kirkburn | I thought you worshipped the might dollar |
| 09:42.54 | Kirkburn | *mighty |
| 09:42.58 | bleeter | christmas is merely winter solstice adjusted to suit the roman calendar and a christian veneer placed over the top to halt riots |
| 09:44.31 | bleeter | Kirkburn: well americans do put 'in god we trust' on their $ ;) |
| 09:44.54 | Kirkburn | One more reason to pay by card :P |
| 09:45.00 | Codayus | bleeter: A fair bit more complex than that if you look at dates. Christmas trees postdate the asscendence of christianity in the western empire by some time, for example. |
| 09:45.15 | |pez| | I like my fake tree |
| 09:45.17 | Codayus | ...but the sentiment is valid enough. :-) |
| 09:45.18 | Kirkburn | Codayus, I blame evolution for those trees. |
| 09:45.19 | |pez| | a shame I didn't have room for it. |
| 09:45.23 | |pez| | it's shiny. |
| 09:46.06 | Kirkburn | You're not mistaking a car for a tree, perhaps? |
| 09:46.10 | bleeter | and let's not mention how santa was merely 'birghtly coloured' (ie, multicoloured) until coke's famous campaign |
| 09:46.16 | bleeter | *brightly |
| 09:46.25 | Codayus | bleeter: Exactly. That's got nothing to do with the romans at all. |
| 09:46.35 | Codayus | :-) |
| 09:46.50 | |pez| | Kirkburn: me? Nah, but the tree has sort of a shine to it's fake... tree things. |
| 09:47.16 | bleeter | Codayus: I think you greatly misunderstood what I said back there ;) |
| 09:47.22 | Codayus | Oh, well, perhaps. |
| 09:47.53 | bleeter | 'coz like, your argument would seem to be 'christmas is about spray-on-snow-in-a-can which the romans certainly didn't have', as an eg ;) |
| 09:47.55 | Codayus | It's okay, let's talk about the elements of ritual canabalism instead. |
| 09:48.06 | bleeter | oooh, why ritualised? |
| 09:48.21 | bleeter | can't we just talk about Alexander Pearce instead =)) |
| 09:48.23 | Codayus | (In Christianity, not Christmas, in case it wasn't obvious. I don't know of any in Christmas, offhand.) |
| 09:48.52 | Codayus | More organized relgions should have zombies as main characters, IMHO. |
| 09:49.17 | bleeter | such as, was he totally derranged when he was picked up that last time with the thight hunk in his swag, or did he really finally want to die? |
| 09:49.31 | bleeter | and |
| 09:49.38 | Codayus | Real cannibals are boring. :-( |
| 09:49.57 | bleeter | when are MIT going to give in and realise cannibalism can't be detected via phrenology and hand the skull back for proper burial? |
| 09:50.34 | |pez| | my guess is never. |
| 09:50.35 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pearce |
| 09:51.20 | bleeter | short story: he escaped from a prison that was inescapable with 6 others, and they proceeded to eat each other. when he was finally caught, the magistrate didn't believe the story so sent him back. |
| 09:51.29 | bleeter | where he eventually escaped again with someone else and ate them too |
| 09:52.52 | SmarkWoW | there anything funny I should know about the SWING_DAMAGE Combatlog thing? Seem to not be triggering (arg2 == "SWING_DAMAGE") consistently... triggers it maybe once every 10-15 swings |
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| 10:29.08 | zenzio | http://lh5.ggpht.com/abramsv/SBGO9ydoy-I/AAAAAAAAPXQ/tNKnWqFnPiY/s1600-h/shanghaicommandments030207.jpg |
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| 10:38.06 | Wobin | hehe |
| 10:38.07 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/108ff40364521a4bd7432dd37e19e96a.jpg |
| 10:38.18 | Wobin | I wish I could keep -that- name =P |
| 10:38.46 | Wobin | So. I need a name for a boomkin |
| 10:39.24 | |pez| | that's those weird owl things, right? |
| 10:39.34 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:39.41 | |pez| | Featherbutt |
| 10:40.11 | Wobin | hmmm |
| 10:40.43 | p3lim | Mix the fact beeing fat and hairy with nature and arcane powers |
| 10:41.19 | Wobin | fatboom? |
| 10:41.21 | p3lim | if youre creative you can come up with some neat nicks |
| 10:41.30 | Wobin | clearly not creative enough =P |
| 10:41.32 | |pez| | ArcaneButtFeather. |
| 10:41.55 | |pez| | ArcaneFat |
| 10:42.03 | p3lim | not the words, the facts |
| 10:42.04 | p3lim | lol |
| 10:42.16 | |pez| | BirdyTheMagician? :P |
| 10:42.34 | zenzio | I'd call my boomkin "Scowl" |
| 10:42.39 | p3lim | :D |
| 10:42.45 | Wobin | >< |
| 10:42.48 | Wobin | "Willferal" |
| 10:43.15 | zenzio | Laserbird |
| 10:43.18 | p3lim | im "in love" with my druid's nick |
| 10:43.31 | p3lim | there we got a good one zenzio ;) |
| 10:43.33 | Wobin | RootBear |
| 10:43.39 | |pez| | Aaahaha |
| 10:43.42 | |pez| | RootBear |
| 10:43.45 | |pez| | guudone |
| 10:44.04 | Wobin | Oh man Fuzzywuzzy |
| 10:44.11 | Wobin | That's the name of my Bear Shaman on AoC |
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| 10:45.37 | p3lim | my druids name, Letha |
| 10:45.45 | p3lim | as in the rogue talent Lethality |
| 10:45.51 | p3lim | seemed to fit as Im feral |
| 10:46.25 | Wobin | I could always use Orly =P |
| 10:46.49 | p3lim | Frowly, Owly, Bowly (in case Orly is taken) |
| 10:47.07 | zenzio | "Offbalance" |
| 10:47.39 | Wobin | hehe |
| 10:47.56 | p3lim | Lazorkin, boomkin |
| 10:48.19 | p3lim | shame your druid is male tho' |
| 10:49.25 | Wobin | I'd call her PrincessVespa |
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| 10:51.59 | Wobin | There's ColinFeral too |
| 10:53.28 | zenzio | Featherball (as opposed to Furball) |
| 10:54.24 | cladhaire | OprahWindfury still wins |
| 10:54.30 | cladhaire | will WilFeral is standard :P |
| 10:54.51 | Wobin | OprahWindfury needs to be a shammy though |
| 10:55.05 | cladhaire | yeah i'm just saying the names in general |
| 10:55.16 | Wobin | I might go for RootBear |
| 10:55.26 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 10:56.03 | Wobin | although people would expect me to tank =P |
| 10:56.14 | cladhaire | my druid is healing |
| 10:56.20 | cladhaire | shockingly enough named "druid" in irish |
| 10:56.23 | cladhaire | like all of my characters, heh |
| 11:00.46 | tuxeh | I saw these Commentator API-methods in the reference, is that what is being used for the BlizzardTv-thingy for arena broadcasting? |
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| 11:03.15 | Cairenn | anyone able to recommend a *safe* site for windows themes? |
| 11:05.07 | Mikk | tuxeh: If you find out, let us know! :o) |
| 11:05.20 | Mikk | We only know they're there and what they hint at :) |
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| 11:15.06 | Maldivia | Cairenn: safe, as in ? |
| 11:15.16 | Cairenn | no viruses, trojans, etc |
| 11:15.26 | Cairenn | what else would I mean? :p |
| 11:15.42 | zenzio | I didn't think themes included executables? |
| 11:15.44 | Maldivia | and you mean mstheme files? |
| 11:17.02 | Cairenn | so when I right click on my desktop, go to properties, change the appearance so I have choices other than default blue, olive green or silver :p |
| 11:17.36 | Maldivia | ok - msstyles then :) |
| 11:18.04 | Maldivia | unless you're willing to use a patched windows system file ,you can't get any outside of microsoft's homepage |
| 11:18.43 | Maldivia | zenzio: and msstyle themes are just renamed dll files, so they do contain executables |
| 11:18.48 | Cairenn | I can't even find them on their page :p |
| 11:18.53 | zenzio | they are? Ew |
| 11:19.00 | Cairenn | and yeah, they are |
| 11:19.17 | Maldivia | Cairenn: think they've only released on - the rest is a part of the Plus pack |
| 11:19.28 | Maldivia | one* |
| 11:19.36 | Cairenn | which has been discontinued |
| 11:19.51 | Maldivia | as for custom msstyles, I tend to use deviantart |
| 11:20.33 | Maldivia | zenzio: basically, the msstyle file is a dll file that's just used as a resource container |
| 11:20.48 | zenzio | what genius came up with that idea? o_O |
| 11:21.10 | Maldivia | Cairenn: also try customize.org |
| 11:21.15 | amro | ms uses dlls for icon storage, so yeah |
| 11:21.25 | zenzio | http://www.deviantart.com/#catpath=customization/skins/windows&order=9 might have some if you find the right category... not certain |
| 11:22.25 | Cairenn | thanks |
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| 11:23.05 | Maldivia | Cairenn: and in case you're worried about the content, there's always http://www.virustotal.com/ to scan the file |
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| 11:24.55 | Cairenn | http://www.tgtsoft.com/prod_sxp.php is safe, right? |
| 11:25.02 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: how would you translate "Hast du grad mal Feuer?" |
| 11:26.49 | Nom- | Can anyone confirm that the latest version of http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9873-CalendarExport.html#info is working ? |
| 11:26.58 | Nom- | by working, i mean no errors :) |
| 11:27.57 | Nom- | If ya can, i'd also like a calendar export so I can confirm the data format once and for all :) |
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| 11:32.02 | Mery | cladhaire: usually used to ask for fire to light a cigarette, so in this case i'd say "Can I borrow your lighter?" or whatever |
| 11:32.21 | cladhaire | what does it mean literally? |
| 11:32.26 | Mery | no |
| 11:32.29 | cladhaire | Do you have degree times fire? |
| 11:32.34 | Mery | "DO you have fire" |
| 11:32.45 | Mery | wait |
| 11:32.48 | cladhaire | but Feuer is fire |
| 11:32.53 | Mery | yes |
| 11:33.00 | cladhaire | wouldn't that be "Bist du Feuer?" |
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| 11:33.31 | Mery | "Are you (a) fire" is "Bist du Feuer" |
| 11:33.41 | cladhaire | Hast du Feuer? |
| 11:34.02 | Mery | literally: "Do you have fire?" |
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| 11:35.57 | cladhaire | cool, thanks :P |
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| 11:38.00 | Mery | "grad mal" is some short from of "gerade einmal" which would literally mean "just once" so more or less some slang to that you need it now and only for a short time |
| 11:38.28 | Mery | s/to that/to say that/ |
| 11:38.34 | cladhaire | great, that makes much more sense |
| 11:42.02 | Wobin | damnit, all the good names are taken =( |
| 11:42.05 | Wobin | Even Furphy |
| 11:42.22 | zenzio | Furiousfeathers |
| 11:46.38 | Rabbitbunny | Hmm. |
| 11:47.37 | Rabbitbunny | I need some sort of giant database of what everything can be used for. silk -> gloves -> dust sort of thing. in-game. with AH prices. |
| 11:48.44 | Rabbitbunny | There just aren't enough profit vectors. disenchanting is world-known, buy-outs below vendor are only 1-2g/day, cross faction arbitration is... rare at best. |
| 11:49.14 | Rabbitbunny | even lesser/greater is too well know. |
| 11:49.19 | Pneumatus | make one then :> |
| 11:51.51 | Nom- | ack... this is going to be evil... i think i might have to string parse the LUA data file in order to make this work cross-platform properly |
| 11:52.04 | krka | Nom-: I think you meant to say Lua there. |
| 11:52.09 | |pez| | man, why have I never gotten a showersponge thing before? 0.o |
| 11:52.13 | Nom- | Yes, Lua |
| 11:52.14 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 11:52.44 | Nom- | Anyone know of a Java Lua parser? I don't need to execute the code, just parse the data structure into an equivilent Java structure |
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| 11:53.57 | Maldivia | as in lua to java bytecode? |
| 11:54.34 | Nom- | No, I just need to parse a saved hash |
| 11:54.45 | Nom- | As in a savedvar from wow |
| 11:55.05 | Nom- | I'd like to avoid writing a routine to parse it as a string... but... |
| 11:57.39 | Maldivia | hmm, there's always something like LuaJava, to mix the two |
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| 12:01.21 | Nom- | Yeah, I saw that... the problem is it's a binary, so i'd have to distribute binaries to make it useable for the average person |
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| 12:08.34 | Maldivia | Cairenn: so, found a theme you like? |
| 12:08.59 | Cairenn | working on it |
| 12:09.01 | Cairenn | playing around |
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| 12:20.28 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 12:30.36 | Maldivia | hmm, looking forward to what next wotlk build will contain, seeing how we cot threat info in last build :) |
| 12:31.27 | Pneumatus | fingers crossed for more content, and removal of any suggestion DKs are meant for tanking |
| 12:41.18 | Dezzimal | there should be a major build close |
| 12:41.45 | Dezzimal | with the dk revamp |
| 12:41.52 | Pneumatus | but im all for them fixing all the bugged quests as well |
| 12:41.56 | Dezzimal | I'd say within 3 days |
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| 12:48.57 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 12:48.58 | purl | pong |
| 12:49.09 | tuxeh | I am having an issue with counting deaths when the player logs in after they've died and not released before they logged off -- Any idea how to not let that happen? |
| 12:49.55 | Atriace | Register for PLAYER_ALIVE |
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| 12:50.58 | tuxeh | Hmm, ok - I guess that's a good idea. PLAYER_ALIVE only fires when you release or accept a resurrection doesn't it? |
| 12:51.10 | Atriace | Well... no |
| 12:51.23 | Atriace | It'll fire every time you log in and you're alive too. |
| 12:51.23 | Arrowmaster | it fires on login |
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| 12:52.49 | Atriace | Doesn't UnitIsDead work? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsDead |
| 12:53.37 | tuxeh | Well, won't UnitIsDead return true when you login if you don't release before logigng off? The split second before you auto-release |
| 12:54.26 | Arrowmaster | UnitIsDeadOrGhost |
| 12:56.58 | tuxeh | I've used that method as well, the only problem at the moment is that deaths are counted if you logout while not having released first .. because then you get auto-released when you log back in.. and PLAYER_DEAD seem to fire again |
| 12:57.13 | tuxeh | I've tried to use UnitIsDeadOrGhost to filter out the event calls |
| 12:57.18 | tuxeh | but muh, without very much success |
| 12:57.55 | Atriace | You probably need to record whether you were dead when PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD fires. If that var is true on login, then you don't count the second case. |
| 13:01.22 | tuxeh | ah yeah |
| 13:01.24 | tuxeh | that's a good idea |
| 13:01.51 | Rabbitbunny | if self.playerIsQuitter then.... |
| 13:05.34 | tuxeh | Can you set the default value of a variable in the .toc file by the way? |
| 13:05.38 | tuxeh | a savedvariable |
| 13:06.30 | Rabbitbunny | not that I know of.. I did it in OnEnable() |
| 13:08.04 | Shirik | I like that varaible Rabbitbunny |
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| 13:08.08 | Shirik | playerIsQuitter |
| 13:08.14 | Rabbitbunny | :D |
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| 13:10.35 | Nom- | oooo i just had an evil idea >:) |
| 13:10.39 | Xinhuan | well you could have disconencted (and not died yet then) |
| 13:10.44 | Xinhuan | then logged back in dead |
| 13:10.56 | Nom- | Lua code executed in the java environment... the Lua code creates and populates a java object hierarchy |
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| 13:18.22 | Atriace | Xinhuan: The method would still work. If he disconnected, then he wouldn't receive anymore events (including PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD) and when he logs in it'll record a new death. |
| 13:18.46 | Xinhuan | uh the client issues PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD |
| 13:18.47 | Arrowmaster | actually i think you do get PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD on disconnect |
| 13:18.51 | Xinhuan | when you disconenct |
| 13:18.57 | Atriace | say what? |
| 13:18.59 | Arrowmaster | PLAYER_LOGOUT too |
| 13:19.00 | Atriace | seriously? |
| 13:19.07 | Xinhuan | the only time u don't get a PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD, is if your wow crashes, and only that situation |
| 13:19.08 | Atriace | Dang... that's messed up. |
| 13:19.17 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 13:19.23 | Xinhuan | a disconnect always saves your SVs |
| 13:19.29 | Arrowmaster | it keeps things sane |
| 13:19.31 | ckknight | Xinhuan: it could also happen if you pull the power cord, then WoW won't have time to crash :-P |
| 13:19.34 | Arrowmaster | because of SVs |
| 13:19.40 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 13:22.35 | cbreak | you want to track deaths? |
| 13:24.06 | Atriace | Here wait, no it'd still work even if you did receive the event. |
| 13:24.10 | Atriace | ~slap Atriace |
| 13:24.11 | purl | ACTION slaps Atriace, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 13:26.55 | Rabbitbunny | lua> if not foo then foo = 0 end print(foo) |
| 13:26.55 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: 0 |
| 13:27.05 | Rabbitbunny | lua> foo = 5 if not foo then foo = 0 end print(foo) |
| 13:27.06 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: 5 |
| 13:32.48 | Rabbitbunny | Is there something like Logout() that won't make me wait 20secs? |
| 13:33.09 | Atriace | Exit program. |
| 13:33.22 | Atriace | Or logout in a city. |
| 13:33.50 | Rabbitbunny | Dang. I don't wanna do those either. |
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| 13:33.54 | Rabbitbunny | Thanks. |
| 13:34.07 | Atriace | I feel your pain (I had the same question some time ago). |
| 13:35.33 | Rabbitbunny | heh. '/swat clear /Logout' is the ultimate 'Hmm, this isnt working like a expected' macro. |
| 13:35.49 | Rabbitbunny | a / I / |
| 13:37.09 | Pneumatus | does lua interpret single quoted strings (') differently from double quoted strings (") |
| 13:37.32 | Pneumatus | i'm assuming it might be allowing for escaped chars in double-quoted |
| 13:37.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> '\32' |
| 13:37.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 13:37.54 | Arrowmaster | lua> '\032' |
| 13:37.54 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 13:37.59 | Arrowmaster | lua> "\032" |
| 13:37.59 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 13:38.01 | Vilkku | hmm, how do I use the color picker with my mod? |
| 13:38.52 | Arrowmaster | lua> return "\033", '\033' |
| 13:38.52 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: !, ! |
| 13:38.55 | Arrowmaster | same |
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| 13:39.20 | Arrowmaster | you can use [[]] though for different behavior |
| 13:39.29 | Arrowmaster | lua> return "\033", '\033', [[\033]] |
| 13:39.29 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: !, !, \033 |
| 13:40.12 | ckknight | I like using [=[Interface\Addons\Stuff]=] for filepaths in WoW |
| 13:49.27 | Vilkku | could someone guide me a bit with adding the color picker? it's giving me an error, which I can't find any info on |
| 13:49.47 | Vilkku | I execute this with /pingy color |
| 13:49.49 | Vilkku | ColorPickerFrame:Show(); |
| 13:49.49 | Vilkku | ColorPickerFrame:SetColorRGB(R, G, B); |
| 13:49.56 | Vilkku | color picker opens, no problems |
| 13:49.58 | Vilkku | I pick a color |
| 13:50.00 | Vilkku | and when I press ok |
| 13:50.24 | Vilkku | attempt to call field 'func' (a nil value) |
| 13:50.31 | Vilkku | String: ColorPickerOkayButton:OnClick |
| 13:50.54 | Xinhuan | lua> string.len("\033") |
| 13:50.54 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1 |
| 13:51.13 | Xinhuan | clearly that is a string of 3 length! ;p |
| 13:51.17 | Xinhuan | i mean 4 |
| 13:52.47 | Tem|Work | I've seen a couple references in DK threads about "Scourge Strike" but I can't find any reference to that spell online. What gives? |
| 13:52.57 | Tem|Work | (I'm at work and can't log my DK to ask a trainer) |
| 13:53.14 | Drayeah | Vikku I think you have to assign a function to ColorPickerFrame.func. That function gets executed when you click OK |
| 13:54.56 | Shirik | zomg |
| 13:55.00 | Shirik | on-campus starbucks opened today |
| 13:56.46 | Vilkku | Drayeah: ColorPickerFrame.func = Pingy_ColorFunction |
| 13:56.47 | Vilkku | =( |
| 13:57.15 | Vilkku | owait |
| 13:57.17 | Vilkku | silly me |
| 13:57.23 | Vilkku | that doesn't get executed >< |
| 13:59.43 | Tem|Work | shirik, grats on getting to overpay for bad coffee? |
| 13:59.52 | Shirik | bad? |
| 13:59.55 | Shirik | are you nuts |
| 14:00.22 | Tem|Work | CC > Starbucks |
| 14:01.06 | Wobin | starbucks |
| 14:01.10 | Wobin | ahahahah |
| 14:01.28 | Rabbitbunny | Cold Coffee? I get that at home! |
| 14:02.10 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/starbucks-names-doomed-stores/2008/07/31/1217097397864.html |
| 14:02.43 | Wobin | apparently, our coffee culture is "too sophisticated" for Starbucks |
| 14:02.59 | Tem|Work | www.communitycoffee.com |
| 14:03.27 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 14:03.27 | Tem|Work | they have CC somewhere other than here? |
| 14:03.31 | Wobin | no I thought it was something else |
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| 14:03.56 | Tem|Work | I was about to be really surprized that new orleans coffee had made it to tomorrow land |
| 14:05.24 | Wobin | I was thinking FairTrade coffee |
| 14:05.24 | Tem|Work | oh, btw |
| 14:05.31 | Tem|Work | nerd scrabble is awsome |
| 14:05.32 | Tem|Work | http://www.flickr.com/photos/erica_marshall/2729818493/sizes/l/ |
| 14:06.17 | Wobin | http://www.fairtrade.net/ |
| 14:09.14 | Drayeah | Vilkku when that doesn't work I don't know. I had a tutorial on the Colorpicker somewhere, but can't find it now :-( |
| 14:09.57 | Vilkku | Drayeah, I guess you missed my message, I said I made the variable so that it never actually got called, resulting in it being nil, I changed it and now it works |
| 14:10.34 | Drayeah | Indeed I missed that :-) |
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| 14:16.50 | jamesfff | I wonder if i'm level 70 yet |
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| 14:24.39 | Nom- | is there an lua command to dump a table out ? |
| 14:25.20 | Tem|Work | ~devtools |
| 14:25.21 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 14:25.33 | Tem|Work | Nom-: install devtools |
| 14:25.36 | Tem|Work | and /dump |
| 14:26.00 | Nom- | heh dun help me.. LuaJava :P |
| 14:26.23 | Tem|Work | so write one yourselv |
| 14:26.31 | Tem|Work | s/elv/elf/ |
| 14:26.37 | Tem|Work | not like it's hard... |
| 14:28.47 | Maldivia | hmm, something like this should dump a table: function dump(t, indent) for k,v in next, t do if type(v)=="table" then print(indent + k + " = {"); dump(v, indent+" "); print(indent + "}") else print(indenx + k + " = " + tostring(v)) end end |
| 14:29.22 | Maldivia | ehh, .. instead of + :) |
| 14:33.41 | Nom- | yeah the trouble i'm having is it seems to bark when i try to iterate the table |
| 14:33.51 | Nom- | s/bark/barf/ |
| 14:34.12 | Nom- | I can just print it, and get the fact it's a table... as soon as i iterate, it dies |
| 14:34.16 | amro | lua> function dump(t, indent) if not indent then indent=" "end for k,v in next, t do if type(v)=="table" then print(indent .. k .. " = {"); dump(v, indent.." "); print(indent .. "}") else print(indent .. k .. " = " .. tostring(v)) end end end dump({1, 2, {3, 4}}) |
| 14:34.17 | lua_bot | amro: 1 = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = {, 1 = 3, 2 = 4, } |
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| 14:37.46 | Nom- | hmm it must be a compile error |
| 14:37.50 | Nom- | coz it's not even executing some of t |
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| 14:40.07 | Vilkku | right, more Color Picker problems... when I click cancel or press esc, it still saves the color >< |
| 14:40.38 | Nom- | lol |
| 14:40.45 | Nom- | i was using "done" instead of "end" |
| 14:40.50 | Nom- | *bashes head against wall* |
| 14:42.24 | bleeter | somebody shoot me. my powers of Suggestion are in overdrive: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557212119&sid=1 ... ideally Cairenn|afk can shoot me, but others will suffice. |
| 14:43.29 | Josh_Borke | terrible idea |
| 14:43.33 | Josh_Borke | what would the little children think? |
| 14:43.59 | amro | ~kill bleeter |
| 14:43.59 | purl | ACTION shoots a ionized graviton gun at bleeter |
| 14:47.31 | Vilkku | nobody can help me with the color? :( |
| 14:52.49 | amro | ~literal kill |
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| 14:53.10 | amro | ~literal cmd:kill |
| 14:53.32 | Maldivia | amro: you had to test my dump, or? :) |
| 14:54.23 | amro | Maldivia: just bored :) |
| 14:54.49 | Maldivia | amro: hehe, ok - and I've been coding Java all day, hence the + instead of .. :) |
| 14:55.07 | amro | happens a lot to me, .. is an odd operator |
| 14:55.57 | Maldivia | well a single period is common in scripting languages as concat, but guess it conflicts with table index |
| 14:56.41 | Xinhuan | + is just way too overloaded in most languages |
| 14:56.47 | Maldivia | that too |
| 14:57.25 | Xinhuan | at least in lua, + converts both sides to numbers, and .. converts both sides to strings, so its meaning is clear! |
| 14:57.29 | Maldivia | also, in languages where strings and numbers can be convert to and from eachother, + can be very dangerous :9 |
| 14:58.02 | amro | .. is fine, but lua being the only language I know using it, I tend to forget from time to time |
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| 14:59.11 | Maldivia | amro: well, rather .. than concat(concat("hello", " "), "world") |
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| 15:00.27 | amro | you mean ..(..("hello", " ", "world")? :P |
| 15:02.10 | Nom- | omg hot |
| 15:02.22 | Nom- | i now have a working app which will read my addons' saved files and create java objects from it |
| 15:03.38 | Nom- | now i just need to work out how to use iCal4j |
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| 15:14.09 | cncfanatics | YAY, just recieved my laptop :) |
| 15:14.37 | Nom- | noice |
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| 15:17.07 | cncfanatics | now, onto choosing an OS |
| 15:17.30 | cbreak | mac os x :) |
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| 15:19.33 | bleeter | cncfanatics: now for the let down. Every OS sucks. |
| 15:19.44 | Anaral | Heh |
| 15:20.50 | Anaral | What do you do most on your computer. If it's design, go Mac, if it's coding, Linux, if it's any number of 'basic' stuff and you're impatient to learn a new OS, stick with the evils of Microsoft. |
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| 15:21.12 | cbreak | if it's coding, use the destination platform :) |
| 15:22.19 | cncfanatics | Anaral: coding ofc |
| 15:23.15 | cbreak | or you could just install several systems |
| 15:23.24 | bleeter | or use virtualisation |
| 15:23.35 | cbreak | yes. VMWare works nice for me. |
| 15:24.00 | cncfanatics | well, the only things I'm planning to do is a lot of programming |
| 15:24.02 | cncfanatics | and some WoW |
| 15:24.18 | cbreak | you can program on any OS. |
| 15:24.42 | cncfanatics | yea, thats why I'll just install the OS I prefer and have least moral problems with :p |
| 15:24.44 | cncfanatics | aka linux |
| 15:25.24 | Maldivia | I would have picked BSD :) |
| 15:25.35 | foxlit | "moral problems" and operating systems! |
| 15:25.43 | cncfanatics | ~drm |
| 15:25.44 | purl | i heard drm is http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Rights Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp ... the best big black-caca from the ass of gates Just Say No (tm), or http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html |
| 15:25.57 | cncfanatics | read that last link :p |
| 15:26.09 | foxlit | is it even midly interesting? |
| 15:26.30 | foxlit | Because, frankly, that's several walls of text |
| 15:26.38 | bleeter | I'd just pick any *nix, then get your Win32/OSX/Linux cross-compiling happening. For the truly brave, you do that on Solaris ;) |
| 15:27.05 | cncfanatics | just read the very very condensed version at start if you want |
| 15:27.20 | foxlit | "The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute the longest suicide note in history" |
| 15:27.32 | foxlit | Meh, booooooring! |
| 15:27.44 | cncfanatics | unfortunatly, it didn't end up that way |
| 15:27.47 | cncfanatics | cuz regular users don't care :p |
| 15:28.57 | foxlit | probably because it's a wall of text :) |
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| 15:29.29 | cbreak | crosscompiling isn't that easy |
| 15:29.58 | cbreak | probably the easiest way is to use a VM for it. |
| 15:30.58 | cbreak | the newest exploit of microsoft: If you install linux on your computer, your bitlocker encryption breaks. |
| 15:31.10 | cbreak | because you use a "non trusted bootloader" |
| 15:31.44 | foxlit | which is an entirely valid concern? |
| 15:32.13 | cbreak | depends |
| 15:32.44 | bleeter | cbreak: I dunno, we were building Win32/OSX/Linux binaries on the one machine. Course, it's code dependant to some degree.And it's not as hard as many may think ;) |
| 15:32.51 | foxlit | I'll take that as a "yes, it is" :) |
| 15:33.27 | cbreak | if you trust microsoft's boot loader more than grub, then it is foxlit :) |
| 15:34.02 | cncfanatics | it is a valid concern |
| 15:34.04 | cncfanatics | ofc it is |
| 15:34.17 | cncfanatics | you don't want someone using a custom bootloader and booting ur windows with superuser privileges :p |
| 15:34.38 | Anaral | Okay, pardon my ignorance and poor googlefu. But what is the full addon name for SBF? |
| 15:34.41 | cbreak | they can boot all they want but without the password they can't decrypt it |
| 15:34.59 | Anaral | nm |
| 15:35.08 | cbreak | a key logger bootloader might work though. maybe. |
| 15:35.09 | Anaral | mind got unboggled |
| 15:35.22 | Anaral | Satrina Buff Frames |
| 15:41.46 | bleeter | gnight all |
| 15:44.26 | Ackis | hah questhelper is using 134 MB of memory |
| 15:47.04 | Nom- | eep... i think i need a complete calendar export before i can go any further :( |
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| 15:48.21 | laeg | does anybody think grinding herbalism and mining (i already have skinning on main) with a new pvp rogue until it becomes clear which profs are best in wotlk is a good idea? |
| 15:48.50 | laeg | that way i will be ready to power level whichever 2 profs are best |
| 15:49.42 | Pneumatus | herbalism is more than likely gonna remain fotm, due to inscriptioists needing it, and potions always being popular |
| 15:49.52 | cncfanatics | Pneumatus: not rly |
| 15:49.56 | cncfanatics | pots are getting nerfed to one per fight |
| 15:50.08 | Pneumatus | your still gonna need piles of elixirs for raids |
| 15:50.18 | cncfanatics | true |
| 15:50.24 | laeg | fotm? |
| 15:50.34 | laeg | also i'm concerned with best pvp only profs |
| 15:50.34 | Pneumatus | you may only use 1 potion per combat, but thats still a fair pile of potions in a wipe night |
| 15:51.05 | laeg | pots and elixirs can't be used in arena afaik |
| 15:51.57 | laeg | people on arenajunkies and elitistjerks think enchanting and jc is best *atm* (since boots can't be used in arena) |
| 15:52.38 | Pneumatus | so you're waiting to see if lw/tailor/bs patterns are worth it for whatever class you are then? |
| 15:53.08 | laeg | rogue pvp |
| 15:53.22 | laeg | yes lw/engineering/jc/enchanting i think |
| 15:53.37 | Pneumatus | bs for weapons possibly |
| 15:53.43 | laeg | yus |
| 15:53.55 | laeg | i could do herb and mining on 2 new characters |
| 15:54.49 | laeg | skinning is great because of the amount of beasts i'll be killing but like i said i have it near 375 with my retiring rogue already and if i need skins they will be the easiest to farm |
| 15:55.44 | Pneumatus | herb/mining is always a bit of a pita because of switching tracking though, or going to investigate every node spawn |
| 15:55.45 | laeg | that is if i took skinning and herb on my new character and it turns out i need ore in wotlk i won't have a level 68 with mining almost maxed waiting |
| 15:57.24 | laeg | maybe skinning would be good because of the ease of gathering and i could just sell all the mats to buy whatever i need anyway |
| 15:57.27 | laeg | i'm not sure |
| 16:05.32 | Nechckn_AFK | I'd go with the Mining and the skinning... I usually take mining or herb and skinning for new guys anyway |
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| 16:07.09 | Nechckn | switching back and forth would become a real chore imnsho |
| 16:08.43 | Nechckn | and mining tends to make more than herbalism in my past experience, anyway |
| 16:09.39 | Nechckn | but- it's a tough call, you can always start off, then take up a different prof once wotlk starts getting more fleshed out. |
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| 16:12.53 | |pez| | ... wow, he fell asleep fast 0.o |
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| 16:16.52 | Nom- | I has an iCalendar file! |
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| 16:26.22 | Nom- | ok sweet |
| 16:26.41 | Nom- | i now have a converter which will create placeholder events of 1 hour duration |
| 16:26.58 | Nom- | I need a proper calendar export from beta before i can see if durations can be gotten |
| 16:32.59 | jaxdahl | Nom- |
| 16:33.10 | jaxdahl | at this time, it doesn't appear events have durations. just start times |
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| 16:35.49 | jaxdahl | i'm speaking from looking at the calendar in game, not any internal data |
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| 16:38.28 | Nom- | hmm ok |
| 16:38.42 | Nom- | do you specify a duration when you create them ? |
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| 16:44.33 | |pez| | I'm... special, I get annoyed at support requests in certain support channels. -__-' |
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| 16:48.31 | |pez| | I'm also of the opinion that English is a language people should learn asap. -__-' |
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| 16:49.44 | Aella | One would deem it prudent. |
| 16:49.59 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/appointment.png |
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| 16:50.01 | Nom- | woooooooooooot |
| 16:50.26 | |pez| | Don't need to know all the fancy words, but... I mean.. "<leon-king> 404 error: Page not found. how can i to do?" :P |
| 16:51.11 | Nom- | I knew i'd get there... that's direct from the savedvariables file to a .ics file which i tehn imported into outlook |
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| 16:56.05 | foxlit | Nom-: i.e. you run a program on your SVs that creates another file that you run outlook on? |
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| 17:00.06 | Nom- | yes |
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| 17:01.25 | Gnarfoz | Nom-: are you related to the CalendarExport addon on wowi? :) |
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| 17:03.08 | Nom- | Gnarfoz: Yes, that's mine |
| 17:03.19 | Nom- | Gnarfoz: This is the other half to it |
| 17:03.44 | Nom- | Thanks for the help btw |
| 17:03.48 | Nom- | That was so useful :D |
| 17:04.25 | Gnarfoz | sure thing, I'd like to see this become something useful :> |
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| 17:04.57 | Gnarfoz | funny thing (though unlikely) would be if blizzard links the Calendar into the armory, like the guild bank viewing |
| 17:06.14 | Kirov | ping amro |
| 17:06.22 | Kirov | ping Tem |
| 17:06.54 | Nom- | actually, i was thinking that the other day |
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| 17:07.04 | Nom- | maybe not armory, but at leaston the users' account page |
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| 17:07.27 | foxlit | People are actually signed in to that? |
| 17:07.38 | Nom- | ? |
| 17:09.24 | Nom- | I've just uploaded first release of the converter java app |
| 17:09.29 | Nom- | It's waiting for approval atm |
| 17:10.45 | |pez| | sometimes, it's scary how my timing is just... spot on. :P |
| 17:11.18 | |pez| | I had a timer on, so I'd know when my food was done, and when I was wondering how much time was left, I picked up my cellphone (this was the timer) and it rang like the second I grabbed it. |
| 17:11.51 | Nom- | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10037-CalendarConverter.html |
| 17:11.54 | cncfanatics | |pez|: a lot of people have that |
| 17:12.00 | Nom- | I don't know if that'll actually work yet or not |
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| 17:12.14 | cncfanatics | |pez|: when I take my usual train, I sleep in it, and I wake up about when it arrives at its destination |
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| 17:12.36 | |pez| | cncfanatics: that's more habits than actuall timing ;) |
| 17:13.18 | cncfanatics | its both tbh |
| 17:15.54 | |pez| | anyone on EU that can't access their guildbank o.... oh, crap, need to be Guild Leader for that I guess. |
| 17:15.59 | |pez| | GuildVault content. |
| 17:16.00 | |pez| | armory |
| 17:16.22 | Nechckn | I remember seeing a documentary on "timing" and such |
| 17:16.36 | Nom- | Gnarfoz: Any idea if the current version of the exporter is working ? |
| 17:17.00 | Nechckn | that is actually an interesting ability - and some folks don't have it, at all. Others, much more so. |
| 17:17.55 | |pez| | I can't access my guildvault content at the armory ;___; |
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| 17:22.17 | Shirik|Ecole | hey magical Linux users. Is there anything special I need to do to screen to be able to use it to reconnect to the same terminal from another computer? |
| 17:22.30 | NeoTron_ | man I didn't know I could access guild vault stuff |
| 17:22.34 | Shirik|Ecole | The man page just says how to reconnect |
| 17:22.56 | Nom- | Shirik|Ecole: screen ? |
| 17:23.04 | |pez| | screen -r ? |
| 17:23.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Do I just detatch from screen and then reconnect from another computer? |
| 17:23.24 | Shirik|Ecole | so that's it, |pez|? |
| 17:23.26 | Shirik|Ecole | It seems too simple |
| 17:23.29 | Nom- | you can force a remote detach too (screen -d -r) or have two simultaneous (screen -x -r) |
| 17:23.32 | |pez| | try it |
| 17:23.55 | cbreak | you have to SSH into the computer the screen is running of course |
| 17:24.02 | Shirik|Ecole | well yes |
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| 17:24.18 | cbreak | screen -ls can show you the running instances and you can pick one to connect to |
| 17:24.35 | Nom- | anyone get their beta key from the first batch yet? |
| 17:24.41 | |pez| | if you only have one screen, screen -r will do the trick. :P |
| 17:24.42 | Shirik|Ecole | It seems to work, but I'm only on the same computer right now. C-a d to detach, then screen -r to reconnect? |
| 17:24.47 | Shirik|Ecole | Yes I have only one screen |
| 17:24.59 | Shirik|Ecole | I just want to start this compile before I leaves school so it compiles while I'm driving |
| 17:25.28 | cbreak | I wonder if your screen gets killed when you log out |
| 17:25.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Total: 24 packages (22 new, 2 in new slots), Size of downloads: 70,835 kB <-- sad face |
| 17:25.31 | cncfanatics | Nom-: has there been a first batch yet ? |
| 17:25.34 | |pez| | I've only screened irssi in my oast |
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| 17:25.39 | |pez| | but that's been one for MONTHS |
| 17:25.45 | Nom- | cncfanatics: Yeah... there was a list sent to blizz last week |
| 17:25.46 | cncfanatics | Nom-: no key in my box for me yet, and I applied quite some time ago |
| 17:25.52 | |pez| | with me being detaching and reattaching the screen |
| 17:26.07 | cncfanatics | Nom-: I don't think blizz sent those out yet |
| 17:26.22 | Nom- | doesn't sound like it, no |
| 17:26.24 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, headed home |
| 17:26.34 | |pez| | goo..d luck. -__-' |
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| 17:34.57 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 17:35.09 | kd3 | old news I'm sure by this point, but they're giving us quest tracking on the minimap |
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| 17:39.05 | Nom- | err |
| 17:39.14 | Nom- | that's tbeen in live a while mate :p |
| 17:39.18 | kd3 | for low-level quests? |
| 17:39.27 | Nom- | ooh... that's new |
| 17:40.10 | |pez| | quest *tracking* ? |
| 17:40.24 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557021941&postId=85561843795&sid=1#1 |
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| 17:43.47 | |pez| | huuh |
| 17:43.52 | |pez| | neat |
| 17:48.36 | Nom- | ok zzz time |
| 17:48.37 | Nom- | nite all |
| 17:49.01 | |pez| | zzz... sounds nice |
| 17:49.30 | |pez| | nite Nom- |
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| 17:53.47 | foxlit | grr |
| 17:53.56 | foxlit | wow keeps asking "Hardware changed. Reset settings?" |
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| 17:55.23 | cncfanatics | foxlit: there's a setting to disable that |
| 17:55.34 | cncfanatics | hdetect if I'm not mistaking |
| 17:55.36 | cncfanatics | check wowi |
| 17:55.38 | foxlit | I'd be happier if it told me why :) |
| 17:55.45 | cncfanatics | s/i/wiki/ |
| 17:56.30 | foxlit | "hwDetect - Perform hardware detection for best values" |
| 17:56.44 | cncfanatics | its that |
| 17:56.46 | cncfanatics | I think |
| 17:56.57 | cncfanatics | not 100% sure |
| 17:57.12 | MentalPower | cncfanatics: do you have the beta installed? |
| 17:57.14 | foxlit | I'm not as much bothered by the prompt as by the fact that it keeps coming back for no good reason |
| 17:57.23 | cncfanatics | MentalPower: nop |
| 17:57.30 | MentalPower | foxlit: same Q |
| 17:57.30 | cncfanatics | didn't get my key yet, so , not worth dl'ing it atm |
| 17:59.23 | Shirik | oh my life portage bugs ftl |
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| 17:59.29 | Shirik | apparently portage has a hatred for java |
| 17:59.41 | MentalPower | I would not blame it :P |
| 17:59.47 | Shirik | but I need tomcat! |
| 18:00.02 | Shirik | fricking jira is written in java |
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| 18:00.21 | SmarkWoW | there an easy way to show your own characters GUID? |
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| 18:00.44 | Shirik | SmarkWoW: What's the UnitID of your character? |
| 18:00.54 | MentalPower | ./run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(UnitGUID("player")) |
| 18:01.01 | cncfanatics | damn, MentalPower beat me to it :p |
| 18:01.01 | SmarkWoW | ty |
| 18:01.03 | Shirik | tsk tsk MentalPower |
| 18:01.10 | Shirik | Don't feed the fishermen! |
| 18:01.15 | Shirik | teach them how to fish! |
| 18:01.29 | MentalPower | sorry Shirik, didn't notice your attempt till it was too late :) |
| 18:01.34 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:01.35 | SmarkWoW | I actually just found it on sloukens post anyway |
| 18:03.02 | Shirik | whee, tomcat is being compiled, yey |
| 18:03.12 | Shirik | Shirik > portage |
| 18:05.38 | foxlit | DROP TABLE IF EXISTS pages; -- near "EXISTS": syntax error |
| 18:05.41 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 18:06.09 | Shirik | foxlit: You're missing a semicolon |
| 18:06.12 | Shirik | before the DROP |
| 18:06.33 | foxlit | Shirik: why would I want a semicolon before the DROP? |
| 18:06.40 | Shirik | to avoid syntax error :) |
| 18:06.41 | Josh_Borke | fedora is nice, but it lacks good compiz packages |
| 18:06.57 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 18:06.59 | foxlit | That makes no sense, it should be valid SQL the way it's written. What exactly are you suggesting? |
| 18:07.02 | Shirik | I thought you were quoting XKCD, nm |
| 18:07.13 | foxlit | I'd need a quote, too :) |
| 18:07.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:07.21 | Shirik | I need sleep |
| 18:07.57 | foxlit | I suspect the actual problem is that my db is actually write-protected. |
| 18:08.07 | Shirik | so it says syntax error for that? |
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| 18:08.19 | Shirik | that is a bit strange yeah |
| 18:08.55 | foxlit | who knows? I can't see what it's complaining about as far as the syntax is concerned |
| 18:11.19 | foxlit | ah, d'oh |
| 18:11.30 | foxlit | dear PHP: !@#$!@$#!@ |
| 18:12.04 | foxlit | the sqlite module is linked against sqlite2, and "IF EXISTS" was introduced in sqlite3 |
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| 18:13.25 | cncfanatics | that might explain it :) |
| 18:15.08 | foxlit | And I should've known that, considering I've had to install another extension to allow it to access sqlite3 databases |
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| 18:23.50 | Xuerian | foxlit: I gave oPie a hard time there for a good while, but I'm using it regularly now... thanks for writing it :P |
| 18:24.04 | foxlit | capital O. |
| 18:24.14 | Xuerian | ... |
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| 18:24.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart foxlit |
| 18:24.23 | purl | DoSes foxlit |
| 18:24.29 | Xuerian | that will teach me to be grateful =O |
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| 18:24.36 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 18:24.40 | Xuerian | though I suppose that's like someone saying xLoot. |
| 18:24.42 | cncfanatics | foxlit needs more larting |
| 18:24.43 | foxlit | If it's any comfort, you aren't the first one to type it that way :) |
| 18:24.52 | Thunder_Child | ~lart foxlit |
| 18:24.53 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to foxlit, and goes postal |
| 18:25.01 | foxlit | all this pinging... |
| 18:25.03 | foxlit | qq! |
| 18:25.04 | Thunder_Child | bah |
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| 18:25.50 | cncfanatics | purl messages Thunder_Child: someone already said this X seconds ago |
| 18:26.00 | Aella | Oh, foxlit, you wrote OPie? |
| 18:26.11 | foxlit | Yes :) |
| 18:26.20 | Thunder_Child | ~rand foxlit |
| 18:26.21 | purl | ACTION randomly picks a nick and that nick is foxlit |
| 18:26.21 | Aella | Grats, you are one of my three add-ons. |
| 18:26.23 | cncfanatics | should be ocaek |
| 18:26.24 | foxlit | I've also been slacking on updates |
| 18:26.26 | cncfanatics | caek > pie |
| 18:26.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lart cncfanatics |
| 18:26.30 | purl | chops cncfanatics in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 18:26.39 | cncfanatics | eek, not solaris ! |
| 18:27.10 | Aella | I would like to take this opportunity to pick a nit. |
| 18:27.17 | Aella | =P |
| 18:27.54 | foxlit | go for it, really :) |
| 18:28.19 | Aella | When I delete built-in rings, they don't stay deleted </anal> |
| 18:28.43 | foxlit | Yeah, they're a bit evil that way :) |
| 18:28.46 | cncfanatics | omg; you didn't open the anal tag ! not valid xhtml strict ! |
| 18:29.13 | Kirov | cncfanatics - but it still works in IE! |
| 18:29.27 | Aella | Makes it harder to find my rings when I change 'em (as the char I use it on is still leveling) |
| 18:29.30 | cncfanatics | Kirov: IE is evil |
| 18:29.47 | Aella | No, the open <anal> tag was assumed at the start of my life |
| 18:29.51 | Aella | You're just seeing a snippet |
| 18:30.10 | NeoTron_ | Aella: seriously, now I'm thinking about "anal rings" and for some reason my mind wanders to goatse. TANKS SO MUCH ! |
| 18:30.32 | Aella | np |
| 18:30.54 | NeoTron_ | oh god now I really AM envisioning anal rings. Thanks me. |
| 18:31.55 | End | okaayyy, don't want to be in the channel right now |
| 18:32.07 | Aella | My work here is done. |
| 18:32.13 | Thunder_Child | lies End, you know you like it |
| 18:33.01 | Xuerian | halp, can't stop laughing |
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| 18:36.43 | Xuerian | foxlit: I have a request, though. Any way you can get 'ammo' to show on spells, like Healthstone/Soulstone/reagent buffs/whatever? |
| 18:37.11 | foxlit | Xuerian: give a better example :) |
| 18:37.27 | Aella | Reagent buffs are showing in the last beta, at least my portals are |
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| 18:38.01 | foxlit | There's of course a nitpick there: charges are not shown correctly |
| 18:38.21 | foxlit | Can't do much about that. |
| 18:40.56 | Xuerian | foxlit: Alright, my warlock rings (Demons/Healthstones) ALL rely on soul shards. As it is, instead of seeing how many shards (reagents) I have for the spell, I have to open my bag to see how lazy I've been. -- But if they're working in the latest beta, perhaps I need to update |
| 18:41.19 | foxlit | That should show, really |
| 18:41.30 | Xuerian | I'm probably out of date |
| 18:41.32 | SmarkWoW | There an easy way to differentiate UNIT_DIED normally or when the Priest's Spirit of Redemption form dies? |
| 18:41.48 | foxlit | (and boo, hiss for not updating -- there's http://www.go-hero.net/opie/rss/beta :) ) |
| 18:41.49 | Xuerian | Check for the buff on the unit? |
| 18:41.52 | cncfanatics | SmarkWoW: buffscan the unit that just died |
| 18:42.01 | Xuerian | foxlit: Yeah, I just thought of that. Adding it to my feed |
| 18:42.05 | SmarkWoW | hmm, alright, one sec |
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| 18:42.17 | foxlit | Ignore the UNIT_DIED that occurs after someone gained SoR |
| 18:42.25 | foxlit | just as a flag thing :) |
| 18:43.00 | Xuerian | Ha ha, first line: [ORI] Spells with reagents, or consumable items now display the amount left of the required item if icon/multiple-icon indication is enabled. |
| 18:44.46 | Xuerian | Are the actionbars being changed as well with the upcoming secure frame changes? |
| 18:45.09 | foxlit | The default stuff? I doubt it |
| 18:45.26 | Xuerian | Well, no, more the method of making/manipulating them |
| 18:45.56 | SmarkWoW | is the easiest way to determine if a player has a certian buff to use GetPlayerBuff(buffId, buffFilter) and see if it returns nil or a value? |
| 18:45.57 | cncfanatics | isn't everything just coded without using the secure things ? |
| 18:46.17 | foxlit | SmarkWoW: go for UnitBuff(unit, id) |
| 18:46.32 | foxlit | GetPlayer* is gone in 3.0 |
| 18:46.33 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: Well I know the unitframes are moving somewhat back to how things were (A limited sandbox), but I didn't know if actionbars were too |
| 18:46.45 | cncfanatics | they are |
| 18:46.54 | Xuerian | Awesome |
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| 18:47.10 | Xuerian | I wonder if foxlit will be able to write a raid targeting ring that doesn't require targeting first, just mouseover. |
| 18:47.31 | Xuerian | Seeing as I'm lazy and it didn't work when I tried... >.> |
| 18:47.34 | foxlit | Xuerian: I don't think so :) |
| 18:47.52 | foxlit | There's no way to lock the unit while selecting the symbol. |
| 18:48.18 | foxlit | i.e. it may well be "mouseover" when you click, but not when you end up selecting something |
| 18:48.20 | cncfanatics | foxlit: couldn't you save its name ? |
| 18:48.34 | cncfanatics | oh wait, it might not have a unitid anymore when needed |
| 18:48.39 | Xuerian | exactly. |
| 18:49.24 | cncfanatics | WTB all funcs using unitids accepting guids |
| 18:49.45 | Xuerian | yeah, but you can't directly get a guid from a unitid, can you? |
| 18:50.15 | cncfanatics | you can |
| 18:50.20 | cncfanatics | UnitGUID returns a guid given a unitid |
| 18:50.23 | Xuerian | Oh o_0.. |
| 18:50.36 | Xuerian | Hm. I agree then |
| 18:50.56 | cncfanatics | YAY |
| 18:51.08 | cncfanatics | after THREE fucking hours vista is nearly done creating its reinstallation cd's |
| 18:51.47 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: the problem is there is no func to get a unitid from a guid |
| 18:51.56 | cncfanatics | its easy to figure, just slightly anoying |
| 18:53.39 | Tem|Work | Xuerian: it looks to me like they're only changing the structure of the state header |
| 18:53.48 | Tem|Work | this doesn't effect SecureButton |
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| 18:54.29 | foxlit | and yet :) |
| 18:54.45 | Tem|Work | what does that mean? |
| 18:54.52 | Seerah | does anyone else hate .docx files? :P |
| 18:55.17 | foxlit | secureheaders provide functionality that directly interacts with securebuttons |
| 18:55.26 | cncfanatics | Seerah: yea |
| 18:55.28 | foxlit | down to them stealing the buttons' onclicks :) |
| 18:55.30 | cncfanatics | Seerah: nothing baea |
| 18:55.40 | cncfanatics | nothing beats the OO format |
| 18:56.02 | Seerah | had to rename it to a .zip and now I have to take the text from the xml :( |
| 18:56.19 | Seerah | stupid MS Office 2007 and its stupid new default file format |
| 18:56.39 | cncfanatics | well, MS loves to break backward compatibility to make users buy their new products |
| 18:57.18 | Seerah | not just backwards compatability, but *any* compatability |
| 18:57.31 | cncfanatics | they usualy keep forward compatibility |
| 18:57.38 | cncfanatics | MS 2007 can read all old formats |
| 18:57.59 | Stanzilla | there's a free reader sofware for the new format |
| 18:58.00 | Seerah | I mean cross |
| 18:58.08 | Stanzilla | and even a converter (afaik) |
| 18:58.23 | Seerah | yeah, MS provides a converter for prior versions of Office |
| 18:58.26 | cncfanatics | Seerah: well, true, ofc they do :p people need to have reasons to buy their product :p |
| 18:58.37 | Seerah | I'm just complaining :) |
| 18:59.00 | cncfanatics | ~lart Microsoft |
| 18:59.00 | purl | nukes Microsoft with a single large nuke |
| 18:59.19 | laeg | Nechckn: re taking two gathering professions until wotlk is out and it becomes clear which profs are best for a pvp rogue would you still recommend mining and skinning for a new alt even though i have a character with skinning 360 already? that is... |
| 18:59.25 | laeg | 16:55 < laeg> that is if i took skinning and herb on my new character and it turns out i need ore in wotlk i won't have a level 68 with mining almost maxed waiting |
| 19:00.03 | cncfanatics | YAY, vista is done creating its cds |
| 19:00.06 | cncfanatics | can finaly throw it away |
| 19:00.15 | laeg | but if i take mining and herb and it turns out i need lw mats i already have a high level with 375 skinning... |
| 19:01.13 | cncfanatics | laeg: I always try to duplicate profs as less as possible |
| 19:02.02 | NeoTron_ | laeg: miner/herber is handy |
| 19:02.10 | NeoTron_ | laeg: main problem is you can't track both |
| 19:02.14 | NeoTron_ | which makes it a bit annoying |
| 19:02.22 | cncfanatics | anyway, logging out, bye all |
| 19:02.30 | NeoTron_ | think that's why skinning is usually the 2nd gathering profession (my hunter is skinning/herb) |
| 19:06.02 | laeg | NeoTron_: i can track both with cartographer though |
| 19:06.16 | laeg | cncfanatics: that was my line of thinking |
| 19:06.36 | laeg | that said at 70 after wotlk i'll be switching to 2 crafting profs anyway |
| 19:07.33 | Xuerian | foxlit: Well that's kinda what I was interested in, while I suppose I should know that it wouldn't allow "target buffering", it still opens the window for more opportunities to have more control over things. Like Iriel mentioned, smoothly animated secure frames |
| 19:08.21 | laeg | actually cart will track them but won't show me when the ore is actually there |
| 19:08.34 | Xuerian | I mean, it'd be awesome to be able to say, have a healing ring that you could pop over someone in the game world, but.. yeah |
| 19:10.44 | Pneumatus | you still need to switch trackings, or actually go and look at each node if you have herbs/mining tho, which is annoying :) |
| 19:11.13 | NeoTron_ | laeg: not really |
| 19:11.15 | Gnarfoz | that's because cart does no tracking at all, laeg. that's Find Minerals/Herbs at work. :> |
| 19:11.23 | NeoTron_ | you can see where there MIGHT be stuff but not where there is stuff |
| 19:11.29 | Pneumatus | yah |
| 19:11.57 | Pneumatus | you still need to either switch tracking, or go and stand on the node spawn |
| 19:12.04 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron_: well, to be more specific, you see where there has been stuff in the past. :P |
| 19:12.10 | Gnarfoz | anyway, best solution is two craft profs on your main, spread gathering out over your alts ;> |
| 19:12.45 | Pneumatus | or have an alt with each craft/gather combo :) |
| 19:13.08 | Gnarfoz | if you don't want your main to profit from two craft professions, I guess that's fine |
| 19:14.27 | Pneumatus | the only advantage in having 2 craft professions on your main is to get raid BoP recipes tho |
| 19:14.52 | Nechckn | laeg it really comes down to what you like- if you can stand changing profs to see where the nodes are active then go for it... otherwise take mining and skinning just to sell all of the stuff and/or stock up |
| 19:14.58 | Gnarfoz | or... have optimal enchants, like rings? |
| 19:15.04 | Gnarfoz | + inscription |
| 19:15.06 | Gnarfoz | = win |
| 19:15.15 | Nechckn | then when wotlk comes out, you can drop 'em and go for your other ones |
| 19:15.57 | Gnarfoz | apropos wotlk, time to get some leveling action done |
| 19:15.59 | NightHawkAtWork | To be honest, it's not actually -that- difficult to mine & herb on the same toon. |
| 19:17.17 | Nechckn | oh right... it's just a bit more time-intensive and not worth it- to me =) |
| 19:17.35 | Nechckn | especially if you are planning to dump both in a couple o' months |
| 19:17.51 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, arguably. but it's a great way to make money on the long term. ;) |
| 19:18.13 | Nechckn | but, again, it's one of those matters of taste- just follow Gatherer or GatherMates HUD and run by each node |
| 19:18.40 | Pneumatus | levelling mining and herbing is a damn site easier than skinning though |
| 19:18.50 | Nechckn | and actively track whichever type of goody has the "better" items in your area |
| 19:18.52 | Pneumatus | due to not having to gank mobs and skin them |
| 19:19.24 | Gnarfoz | mining sucks because it takes that much longer than herbalism :p |
| 19:19.26 | NightHawkAtWork | Pneumatus: well if you're skinning as you level, that's easier, but power-leveling after the fact, yeah |
| 19:19.28 | Nechckn | but he's leveling up a character |
| 19:19.38 | Nechckn | so he's already going to be killing tons of stuff |
| 19:19.46 | Pneumatus | ah, well if its while hes levelling, skinning is good stuff |
| 19:19.59 | Gnarfoz | idd |
| 19:20.00 | Nechckn | right... otherwise I totally agree with you =) |
| 19:20.22 | Gnarfoz | on my failed horde reroll warrior I sat on 400g at level ~30 o_O |
| 19:20.29 | Gnarfoz | herb/skinning |
| 19:20.33 | Pneumatus | levelling with 2 tracking professions, youd take forever gathering nodes |
| 19:20.46 | Gnarfoz | just from selling stuff because 'twas an old server with enough money to go around ^^ |
| 19:20.48 | Pneumatus | youll never complete a quest because youll be chasing nodes :> |
| 19:21.02 | NightHawkAtWork | Pneumatus: nah, i leveled my druid with mining/herbing, it was pretty easy |
| 19:21.10 | Pneumatus | mature servers tend to pay good gold for low level gathered mats also |
| 19:21.34 | Pneumatus | copper for example sells for a fair amount on my realm |
| 19:22.01 | Pneumatus | and if your herbing, stock up on them for wotlk :> |
| 19:22.20 | Nechckn | Copper on all 5 servers I play on is about a G per stack which is awesome for a level 1-10 =) |
| 19:22.29 | NightHawkAtWork | Yeah, that reminds me I need to go build up a stock of pre-bc herbs |
| 19:22.29 | Nechckn | herbs... not so much, until later |
| 19:22.57 | Pneumatus | at level 10, 1g a stack fr copper ore when it takes like 5 mins to mine a stack is awesome :> |
| 19:23.06 | Nechckn | I like both though- and always do herb/skinning or mining/skinning on all of my characters when they are starting out |
| 19:24.10 | Nechckn | now that we've all talked in circles, I hope some of that helps you out laeg |
| 19:24.14 | Nechckn | =) |
| 19:24.32 | laeg | Nechckn: you're right, i can't stand changing nodes. so mining or herb with skinning? i am leveling a warrior also with skinning - would you agree mining suits the rogue more so he can sneak into caves for ore or is there just as much herbs tucked away in caves? on storing or selling i think i'll store since i have 4.6k now and i'm only going to be playing low level characters and also if i store i have what i want rather than having to buy over priced mat |
| 19:24.41 | laeg | s/nodes/trackings |
| 19:25.05 | Nechckn | um.. more mining nodes over all |
| 19:25.21 | NightHawkAtWork | There arn't that many herbs stuffed in caves, typically only.. ghost mushrooms and ancient lichen |
| 19:25.22 | Nechckn | there are some ok herbs like the ghost mushrooms in caves..but that's about it |
| 19:25.37 | Nechckn | yeah.. and the lichen- right on |
| 19:25.59 | NightHawkAtWork | (the lichen technically isn't found in caves, but instances, but the thought -- stealth in -- is the same) |
| 19:26.11 | Nechckn | Were I you- I'd go with Mining and Skinning or maybe were Idoing what you are doing... =) |
| 19:26.35 | Nechckn | s/Idoing/I doing/ |
| 19:26.48 | Nechckn | better |
| 19:27.00 | NightHawkAtWork | Honestly, there's good reasons to do either with any class, really. If all you care about is selling it, then check out what prices are like on the server and then decide :p |
| 19:27.26 | laeg | well i'm not sure whether to sell or stock for wotlk pvp best profs |
| 19:27.42 | laeg | if i'm stocking it up then would it not be a bad idea to have mining and skinning on both? |
| 19:27.44 | Nechckn | sell low, stock high =) |
| 19:28.01 | laeg | wouldn't mining and skinning on one, and mining and herb on another be better if stocking |
| 19:28.22 | laeg | that way if inscribing/enchanting is one of the best 2 profs for pvp warriors and rogues i have the mats ready to power level? |
| 19:28.30 | Nechckn | for stocking your own things, yes |
| 19:28.33 | laeg | ok |
| 19:28.37 | laeg | and stocking is better, right? |
| 19:28.47 | laeg | gold isn't a problem right now |
| 19:29.01 | laeg | if i stock i have the mats there for wotlk and i don't have to pay more than they're worth |
| 19:29.28 | laeg | i'm thinking mining rogue - herb warrior |
| 19:29.36 | Nechckn | well, again, sell low, stock high- sell most, if not all, of the lower level stuff, then stock what you find from the ending azeroth areas and Outland |
| 19:30.02 | laeg | but i'll need the lower level stuff when i choose the 4 professions? |
| 19:30.20 | Thunder_Child | no, you need low lvl alch at least for inscriptions |
| 19:30.52 | Nechckn | oh right... because you want to level up your other skills off of what you have- that makes sense |
| 19:30.52 | NightHawkAtWork | well, the low level stuff is usually easy to farm up again. |
| 19:31.04 | Nechckn | that's what I'm thinking NightHawkAtWork |
| 19:31.07 | laeg | but why farm it twice? |
| 19:31.14 | Nechckn | more $$ |
| 19:31.20 | laeg | but you can make that gold anyway |
| 19:31.21 | Xuerian | Make a few bank alts. |
| 19:31.23 | Xuerian | Keep everything. |
| 19:31.30 | Xuerian | Sell when WotLK hits if you don't need it |
| 19:31.30 | laeg | i can make that gold after wotlk anyway |
| 19:31.31 | Nechckn | you'll be able to stock up on high level, yummy stuff |
| 19:31.35 | laeg | if it turns out i don't need the mats |
| 19:32.04 | Nechckn | That's fine, it's up to you in the end |
| 19:32.12 | laeg | Nechckn: i can stock it all with bank alts by recycling their mailbox backlog every 30 days |
| 19:32.18 | Nechckn | But... don't rely on bouncing your mail items!!! |
| 19:32.22 | Nechckn | make alts |
| 19:32.23 | laeg | lol |
| 19:32.45 | Nechckn | make as many as you need, then go from there |
| 19:32.48 | laeg | cool |
| 19:32.56 | Nechckn | heck, call 'em Herb1 Herb2 or whatever |
| 19:33.06 | Nechckn | hmm.. I like that idea heheheh |
| 19:33.08 | laeg | final question - with skinning on both does mining or herb suit a rogue or warrior anymore or less? |
| 19:33.37 | Nechckn | for gathering... neither has any real speed benefits |
| 19:33.48 | laeg | i've already started mining on the level 19 warrrior but i'll change if more efficient on rogue |
| 19:33.53 | laeg | cool thanks |
| 19:33.59 | laeg | thanks to all :) |
| 19:34.22 | Nechckn | Best of luck with it! |
| 19:34.26 | laeg | hehe |
| 19:34.36 | Pneumatus | hmm, im sure theres a camera option somehwere that makes the camera return to behind you when you start running |
| 19:34.40 | Nechckn | and at least try to throw in a tiny bit of fun now and then. |
| 19:34.40 | Pneumatus | but its stopped working for me :< |
| 19:35.10 | laeg | Nechckn: fun is having the best racials for my 2 characters with the best profs at level 70 :) |
| 19:35.16 | Nechckn | Pneumatus every couple of weeks, my camera gets stuck- then a /reloadui fixes it |
| 19:35.20 | laeg | *pvp racials *pvp profs |
| 19:37.08 | Nechckn | In the Interface options... the setting is "Smart" for the camera to follow when you run and such |
| 19:37.26 | Nechckn | Camera Followin Style =) |
| 19:37.45 | Nechckn | bah... Following** |
| 19:38.03 | Pneumatus | yeh, ive got it set as smart, but its not resetting to behind me :< |
| 19:38.14 | Nechckn | even after reloading? |
| 19:38.19 | Pneumatus | uhuh :< |
| 19:38.27 | Pneumatus | i wonder if gatherhud broke it :< |
| 19:38.58 | Nechckn | hmm.. dunno about GatherHUD... maybe try "Always" |
| 19:39.10 | Nechckn | just to see if that works |
| 19:39.26 | Nechckn | if not, then try disabling GatherHUD.. check it, et cetera |
| 19:40.14 | Pneumatus | nrgh, still no better |
| 19:40.23 | Pneumatus | will have to fiddle with it after the raid |
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| 19:44.09 | NightHawkAtWork | Pneumatus: try toggling the setting around and back to smart? |
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| 19:47.07 | Pneumatus | does Config.wtf get re-read on reloadui? |
| 19:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Pneumatus: and a re-save before. |
| 19:47.55 | Pneumatus | oh, well thats no use. |
| 19:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | nope. Kind of the idea. |
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| 19:48.11 | Diao | you can force read-only then reloadui |
| 19:48.27 | Diao | and then disable read-only after :p |
| 19:50.42 | Pneumatus | it appears GatherHud has fiddled with cameraPitchD |
| 19:51.10 | Pneumatus | hmm, ignore that, it just reads the pitch, not sets it |
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| 19:59.23 | ckknight | you can get cameraPitch? |
| 20:00.27 | Kirov | beta |
| 20:00.38 | Kirov | You can get player pitch |
| 20:01.02 | Kirov | otherwise you can get the camera pitch from one of the camera settings, not sure if you can get the current pitch |
| 20:01.07 | Kirov | though I think you can |
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| 20:01.37 | Pneumatus | cameraPitchD doesnt seem to change |
| 20:02.42 | Kirov | cameraPitchD is the camera pitch for the saved camera location "D" |
| 20:03.03 | Kirov | Also usually the default location |
| 20:03.54 | Kirov | I guess technically you could save the camera position every frame then read it's saved location |
| 20:04.36 | Kirov | As long as you reset it after you read it to what it originally was the user wouldn't be any the wiser. |
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| 20:09.35 | Saiket | I'd like to take this opportunity to advertise LibCamera-1.0... |
| 20:10.26 | Saiket | Keeps track of the camera cvars and player facing direction. |
| 20:11.13 | Tekkub | I don't see how that can work at all since you can move the camer independently of where the toon is facing |
| 20:11.13 | Kaso | just reading wowi info, how accurately does it track |
| 20:11.55 | Saiket | The only time it has trouble is when the camera hits something and gets pushed around, like clipping against a wall. |
| 20:12.13 | Saiket | In that case it still returns where the camera *should* be. |
| 20:15.48 | Saiket | Tekkub: It tracks both those camera CVars and the minimap facing arrow to get a world-relative direction. |
| 20:16.13 | Tekkub | and I can move the camera without moving the arrow |
| 20:16.45 | Kirov | Saiket - do you take in to account minimap rotation? |
| 20:18.23 | Saiket | Yeah, it can handle both the fixed minimap and the one that spins around. |
| 20:18.31 | Tekkub | plus there's no way to tell what direction a target is relative to where you're facing |
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| 20:19.08 | Kirov | Tekkub - Sure there is, nametags! |
| 20:19.13 | Saiket | That's true; it has no real use other than aligning UI elements to your viewpoint. |
| 20:19.20 | Tekkub | nametags? |
| 20:19.30 | Kirov | name plates, rather |
| 20:19.45 | Tekkub | you can't get that sort of info from nameplates |
| 20:20.00 | Tekkub | and they don't always positions directly above their mob |
| 20:20.29 | Kirov | Not always, no, but for a small number on screen you can, with decent enough accuracy, give locations of units in front of the player. |
| 20:20.42 | Kirov | (decent enough to throw on a minimap) |
| 20:21.14 | Kirov | As long as their camera view isn't zoomed out too far, they're on mostly flat terrain, and pitched down. |
| 20:21.26 | Tekkub | why would the player want it on the minimap when they got the nameplates in their face though? |
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| 20:21.55 | Kirov | Tekkub - minimap is a bad example... :P |
| 20:22.21 | Saiket | Now if only the API for models worked, I could make a 3D UI... |
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| 20:22.42 | ckknight | Saiket: I use a 3d model in Cart3 |
| 20:22.51 | Tekkub | maybe I'm just biased or some shit, but I don't see the usefulness |
| 20:23.12 | Saiket | ckknight: But you can only spin it left and right, correct? |
| 20:23.13 | Rabbitbunny | they could use it to draw aggro circles. |
| 20:23.14 | Kirov | Tekkub - useful? Since when did it have to be useful? |
| 20:23.19 | ckknight | sadly, Saiket |
| 20:23.25 | ckknight | I wish I could change yaw |
| 20:23.38 | Mery | is there a way to create m2 model files yet or just reuse what bliazzrd puts into the client? |
| 20:23.44 | Tekkub | erm, why would anyone want it if it wasn't useful? |
| 20:23.48 | ckknight | my arrow is custom |
| 20:23.54 | ckknight | I got it from someone else |
| 20:23.59 | Saiket | Yeah, if we had yaw control, and if the models were drawn with perspective rather than orthographically, we could make completely convincing overlays. |
| 20:24.20 | Kirov | Tekkub - Have you looked at most of the addons on curse? |
| 20:24.32 | Tekkub | no, actually |
| 20:24.38 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:24.40 | Tekkub | for obvious reason.. |
| 20:25.34 | Kirov | "THis si my first addon it awesum.It hides the litle map thing becuz it ugly" |
| 20:26.16 | NeoTron_ | Saiket: I want a cockpit for my flying mount |
| 20:26.22 | Saiket | Heheh, me too. |
| 20:26.33 | NeoTron_ | it would truly be rather bizarre |
| 20:27.05 | Saiket | Think Vehicle control UI. |
| 20:28.00 | Kirov | http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/previews/screens/xbox/steel_battalion/steel_battalion1b.jpg ? |
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| 20:28.53 | NeoTron_ | speaking of vehicle control UI, I really want a Mechwarrior MMO |
| 20:28.59 | Saiket | http://blog.flightstory.net/wp-content/uploads/hud-sample.jpg |
| 20:29.57 | NeoTron_ | must admit though, compared to WoW most MMO's just fall flat, and will continue to fall flat |
| 20:30.12 | NeoTron_ | and not so much because of overall quality and such but, imho, becuase of the addon abilties |
| 20:30.16 | zenzelezz | they will until they stop trying to directly compete |
| 20:30.38 | NeoTron_ | it's hard to go to an MMO that only has a "out of the box approved" UI |
| 20:31.06 | NeoTron_ | when you're used to completely and fully change it around. Sure you can make a much better out of the box UI than what WoW has but it still won't fit everyone's needs and aestetics |
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| 20:33.48 | Kirov | Speaking of battletech, who owns that license now that FASA is long dead? |
| 20:34.29 | Kirov | All of the MechAssault XBox games that came out after FASA died |
| 20:35.13 | NeoTron_ | Microsoft |
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| 20:44.12 | Mery | ckknight: well downloaded the one from curse (0.8.2) and i get the blue white checkered box - the map is really nice though! |
| 20:44.16 | Xuerian | NeoTron: PlanetSide |
| 20:45.03 | Xuerian | Though I agree, a decent battletech mmo - or revival of planetside - would be great |
| 20:48.03 | ckknight | Mery: mind trying with the most recent alpha on curseforge? |
| 20:48.06 | ckknight | I believe I fixed the box |
| 20:48.22 | Mery | link? |
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| 20:48.54 | ckknight | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ |
| 20:49.04 | ckknight | specifically http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/files/206-v0-8-2-3-g5833353/ |
| 20:51.34 | Anaral | Is there a way for info added the tooltip via OntooltipItem to not be called twice? |
| 20:52.15 | Maldivia | *smirk* http://englishrussia.com/?p=2008 -- now that's a fraud mail with a twist :) |
| 20:52.38 | Maldivia | Anaral: you mean on recipe tooltips ? |
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| 20:53.19 | Anaral | I mean on all items, which yes, means it appears four times on recipes. |
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| 20:54.00 | Anaral | I know about it showing twice on recipes, I can deal with that. But it is quite annoying to have the info doubled on all items. |
| 20:54.41 | Maldivia | never noticed it being called twice myself... |
| 20:55.40 | NightHawkAtWork | Maldivia: that link is amusing :P |
| 20:56.37 | clad|sleep | anyone have an Acer Aspire One 110? |
| 20:57.13 | amro | since when is nigeria in south africa? |
| 20:58.44 | Mery | ckknight: still got the box (and the flickering which i forgot) - this time the box isn't even rotating, which it was before |
| 21:00.44 | ckknight | ...lame |
| 21:00.54 | ckknight | Mery: check your memory usage, see if it's skyrocketing |
| 21:01.04 | Maldivia | Anaral: hmm, just checked here, OnTooltipSetItem is only being called once |
| 21:02.17 | ckknight | ~seen timriker |
| 21:02.20 | purl | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 57m 4s ago, saying: 'the "items not in folders" is what I want until I file something. not a biggie, I just find it odd.'. |
| 21:02.45 | Anaral | Well this code http://www.pastey.net/93094 is throwing it out twice... |
| 21:06.31 | Maldivia | Anaral: running that code here only writes it once.. |
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| 21:09.15 | Mery | ckknight: memory usage doesn't skyrocket, but reset_model gets called every maybe 2nd frame (just from looking at a the chattimestamps and fps) |
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| 21:09.32 | Mery | resetmodel* |
| 21:09.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:09.40 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:09.42 | ckknight | fucking a |
| 21:09.50 | ckknight | fucking Blizz code, more specifically |
| 21:09.59 | ckknight | ugh |
| 21:10.27 | ckknight | I may switch back to the old 2d arrow because of this |
| 21:10.35 | ckknight | cause Blizz's model system is just broken |
| 21:11.05 | Duman | ARROWED |
| 21:11.07 | Duman | sorry, I had to |
| 21:11.34 | Mery | well i tried to get some nice effects for my zap a gnome out of the models and well.. seems like they use alot of tricks to get away cheaply |
| 21:12.16 | Anaral | Got it. Deleted the unneeded xml file. |
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| 21:17.27 | Thunder_Child | ~lart freenode |
| 21:17.27 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs freenode |
| 21:17.41 | SmarkWoW | is the SPELL_DAMAGE combat log event supposed to show a flag for crit? im not seeing any difference between a smite non-crit and a smite crit except for the damage... all the other flags are the same |
| 21:18.02 | Thunder_Child | wow purl, that was a little to apt |
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| 21:20.08 | Tuller | bonus points for whoever stuck bongos2 and 3 in houtdated |
| 21:20.11 | Tuller | outdated, rather |
| 21:20.16 | amro | SmarkWoW: it should- at least according to CombatFeedback.lua |
| 21:20.17 | Tuller | minus points for me sucking at typing |
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| 21:23.00 | Mery | ckknight: LOL http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93097/7 makes it show up, tyring with carto now |
| 21:23.04 | Maldivia | SmarkWoW: 5th argument after the damage value should show if its a crit |
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| 21:23.42 | SmarkClient2 | i'll check, one sec |
| 21:26.07 | SmarkClient2 | its showing up as nil whether is a crit or a noncrit |
| 21:26.13 | Mery | ckknight: ok changed my waypoints.lua to reflect teh .m2 change in lines 335 & 337 and got the blue box again, wanted to see if my short lua script still worked and after that your arrow was fine |
| 21:26.20 | Mery | no more flickering nothing else |
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| 21:26.26 | Mery | just working |
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| 21:27.19 | Mery | and really nice! (what's what i wanted to do when i rendered that 3d awrror like 50 times and put it into one file, but couldn't find a model) |
| 21:27.38 | Mery | s/but/since I |
| 21:27.49 | Maldivia | SmarkClient2: hmm, it should be: amount, school, resisted, blocked, absorbed, critical, glancing, crushing |
| 21:28.04 | ckknight | Mery: weird. |
| 21:28.17 | ckknight | Mery: send me the full file you came up with? (or a diff) |
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| 21:31.02 | Mery | only changes were: line 335 and 337 ".mpx" to ".m2" and ran the scripted i pasteyed above after starting the waypoint, not sure if the change in your file was even nessesary, testing now |
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| 21:31.58 | SmarkClient2 | Maldivia, if you would please... take a look at http://i34.tinypic.com/116stww.jpg |
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| 21:32.09 | SmarkClient2 | it shows all the arguments for a crit and a noncrit |
| 21:32.59 | Mery | nope, doesn't work with the filenames left ".mpx" - had to be ".m2" |
| 21:33.47 | ckknight | mdx, not mpx |
| 21:34.05 | Mery | blah, next test inc |
| 21:34.12 | Maldivia | SmarkClient2: that doesn't show all of them - crit would be Arg17 :) |
| 21:34.33 | Maldivia | SmarkClient2: glancing: Arg18, crushing: Arg19 |
| 21:34.42 | SmarkClient2 | ah, how many can there be max for any spell? 19? |
| 21:34.52 | SmarkClient2 | IE so I can see the data for anything that may happen |
| 21:35.07 | Maldivia | 22 I think |
| 21:35.17 | SmarkClient2 | ty |
| 21:35.35 | SmarkClient2 | also, can you think of an easier way to display it then just in the chat box? |
| 21:35.40 | Maldivia | just use ... and select("#", ...) to get the count |
| 21:35.41 | Mery | ok, works with your unchanged file... interesting |
| 21:36.24 | Maldivia | SmarkClient2: you could consider getting Devtools, and enabling the chat link event logger - that addes a clickable link at the beginning of every line, that popup a tooltip that shows the event al all args |
| 21:37.30 | amro | ~devtools |
| 21:37.31 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 21:37.39 | SmarkClient2 | ty, i'll get it |
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| 21:38.41 | Maldivia | or well, I think DevTools shows all args |
| 21:39.36 | Maldivia | hmm, for chat events, it's capped at 9... |
| 21:40.44 | Mery | ckknight: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93101 |
| 21:40.55 | Mery | worked! |
| 21:41.21 | ckknight | Mery: srsly? |
| 21:41.26 | Mery | yes |
| 21:41.26 | ckknight | Mery: okay, test it out for a while |
| 21:41.47 | Mery | well i didn't check scaling or anything |
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| 21:44.08 | batrick | Can you equip something by itemid using /equip? |
| 21:44.28 | batrick | I remember there being a way but couldn't remember the syntax, and there is no mention of it in cogwheel's guide |
| 21:45.45 | cogwheel | item:##### |
| 21:45.58 | cogwheel | i know it works for /use but i don't know about equip |
| 21:46.07 | batrick | can you equip multiple items in the same /equip? |
| 21:46.11 | batrick | doesn't seem to work |
| 21:46.17 | cogwheel | no but you can' use multiple /equips |
| 21:46.28 | batrick | ah ok |
| 21:46.31 | batrick | that's a shame |
| 21:46.34 | batrick | thanks cog |
| 21:46.49 | batrick | You may want to mention that in your guide, it's good for shortening macros :) |
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| 21:47.56 | Tyler232 | hi |
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| 21:48.19 | Tyler232 | anyone on here |
| 21:48.47 | Tyler232 | hi |
| 21:49.06 | Tyler232 | ive been trying to make an addon but i havent had much success |
| 21:49.23 | hipjipp | let us do our best in helping you.. :P |
| 21:49.47 | Tyler232 | all i want to do is make a simple addon lets say i type "/helloworld" and a message will print to the chat box |
| 21:50.11 | Tyler232 | all the tutorials are too complicated |
| 21:50.19 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 21:50.30 | Tyler232 | i think i went there once, ill check it out again |
| 21:51.03 | Tem|Work | if all the tutorials are too complicated, addons may not be the thing for you. |
| 21:51.09 | Tem|Work | Programming isn't for everyone. |
| 21:51.10 | cogwheel | If that page is too complicated then you need to do some background work |
| 21:51.22 | cogwheel | i.e. learn to program with Lua |
| 21:51.34 | cogwheel | ~pil |
| 21:51.35 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 21:51.38 | cogwheel | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:51.39 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:52.10 | Duman | hehe |
| 21:52.19 | Tyler232 | i know a bit of lua though |
| 21:52.23 | Tyler232 | and xml |
| 21:52.43 | Tyler232 | i made a simple lua thing for my psp once =P |
| 21:53.12 | Tyler232 | where asteroids flew across the screen |
| 21:53.15 | Tyler232 | lol |
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| 21:53.19 | cogwheel | Well once you have something in a working state, or otherwise, let us know if there are any particular pointers you need... |
| 21:53.33 | Tyler232 | can you tell me if this .toc file looks ok: |
| 21:53.43 | Tyler232 | (one sec) |
| 21:53.56 | Tyler232 | http://pastebin.com/m74ea52dc |
| 21:54.18 | Mery | ckknight: 1) if the model is already loaded (like running the lua simple lua script before setting the waypoint) the version with SetAllPoints works - 2) if I run the simple lua script after setting a waypoint it works too, but untill then blue box 3) the change to SetHeight, SetWidth, SetPoint makes it run for me from the beginning without other actions |
| 21:54.21 | cogwheel | looks fine |
| 21:54.35 | Tyler232 | ok, now for the lua file |
| 21:54.57 | ckknight | Mery: hrm, might just do both for safe-keeping |
| 21:55.30 | Mery | can you have spaces in your filename? |
| 21:55.39 | Aella | Mery: AFAIK, yes. |
| 21:55.40 | ckknight | not sure |
| 21:56.03 | Neo|Home | Tyler232: one thing that might be worth notign is that if you add NEW files to a directory you need to do a full restart (exit game, start over) for them to be detected |
| 21:56.13 | Neo|Home | a common newbie error that I myself got hit with in the past |
| 21:56.18 | Aella | Also, don't forget to check FrameXML.log once in a while |
| 21:56.31 | Mery | well that was a question for the toc pastebin above since he used "Hello World.lua" |
| 21:56.43 | Tyler232 | function HelloWorld_OnLoad() |
| 21:56.45 | Tyler232 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.47 | Tyler232 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.48 | Tyler232 | end |
| 21:56.50 | Tyler232 | is that part ok |
| 21:56.57 | cbreak | I don't think so |
| 21:57.01 | Aella | If HelloWorld_OnLoad ever gets called, yes |
| 21:57.09 | Mery | fo you have a function named "FunctionToCall" ? |
| 21:57.10 | Aella | It'd probably be easier to not put them in an onload, there's no reason to |
| 21:57.13 | Mery | do you* |
| 21:57.15 | cbreak | it's case sensitive I think |
| 21:57.27 | Aella | ...ah, yes, it is. |
| 21:57.31 | Mery | oh and that too |
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| 21:57.37 | Tyler232 | :S |
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| 21:59.15 | Tyler232 | http://pastebin.com/m6f1d6cf8 |
| 21:59.30 | Tyler232 | what did i do wrong there ^^ |
| 21:59.42 | ckknight | Tyler232: is HelloWorld_OnLoad() ever called? |
| 22:00.03 | Aella | SLASH_X1 and SlashCommandList["X"]: X must always be identical, down to the case. |
| 22:00.23 | |pez| | I suck! |
| 22:00.50 | cogwheel | zomgscreenshots! |
| 22:01.01 | |pez| | ... |
| 22:01.15 | cogwheel | sorry... |
| 22:01.17 | cogwheel | weird mood today :P |
| 22:01.29 | Tyler232 | http://pastebin.com/m56f79b3b |
| 22:01.30 | Aella | You also might want to rename Print(), that same name could be used in another addon |
| 22:01.35 | Tyler232 | oh |
| 22:01.47 | Tyler232 | http://pastebin.com/m7f634304 |
| 22:01.58 | |pez| | I should have had like 5 good articles by now. |
| 22:01.59 | Aella | Changing the name up top too =P |
| 22:02.04 | |pez| | my site is going up tomorrow. |
| 22:02.11 | batrick | there a succinct (sp?) way to ensure that an item swapped by a macro is put back to where it was equipped? |
| 22:02.11 | batbot | batrick, succinct is correct. |
| 22:02.23 | |pez| | and I fell asleep earlier today. |
| 22:02.23 | Aella | And yeah, that should work, at least if HelloWorld_OnLoad() is ever called. |
| 22:02.25 | |pez| | therefore, I suck. |
| 22:02.38 | cogwheel | batrick: use the APIs |
| 22:02.40 | Tyler232 | thanks for the help so far but how do i call my function |
| 22:02.43 | cbreak | most people do that every day pez. |
| 22:02.45 | Aella | Show your xml =P |
| 22:02.45 | Tyler232 | the onload one |
| 22:02.46 | batrick | bah |
| 22:02.55 | Tyler232 | so i call my lua stuff using xml? |
| 22:02.58 | cbreak | Tyler232: from an xml or lua file |
| 22:02.58 | batrick | I'll need to probably make an AddOn |
| 22:03.06 | batrick | or use outfitter |
| 22:03.08 | Aella | OR you just put your slash command lines outside of any function |
| 22:03.19 | Aella | Some things you need to do an onload forâthis isn't one of them. |
| 22:03.23 | cbreak | you can just add a function call at the end of your lua file |
| 22:03.26 | |pez| | cbreak: Sure, but it doesn't give me the impression my site is going to succeed XD |
| 22:03.40 | cogwheel | when did Aella join the party? |
| 22:03.42 | cogwheel | =) |
| 22:03.50 | Aella | When I noticed it =P |
| 22:03.51 | cbreak | I am sure the bot knows... |
| 22:04.03 | Tyler232 | so i put "HelloWorld_OnLoad()" at the end of my file? |
| 22:04.05 | Aella | at approx 4:55 pm, actually |
| 22:04.10 | cogwheel | haha |
| 22:04.14 | Aella | Tyler232: that's one way. |
| 22:04.20 | Neo|Home | or just don't make it a function |
| 22:04.29 | Tyler232 | hmm one sec |
| 22:04.29 | cbreak | no |
| 22:04.32 | cbreak | that won't work neo |
| 22:04.35 | Tyler232 | oh |
| 22:04.45 | cbreak | since his Print is defined after the slash command registration |
| 22:04.55 | Tyler232 | http://pastebin.com/m3f99580c |
| 22:04.57 | Tyler232 | is this ok |
| 22:05.05 | ckknight | yes |
| 22:05.08 | Tyler232 | woot |
| 22:05.08 | ckknight | no |
| 22:05.13 | Tyler232 | :'( |
| 22:05.17 | cbreak | you don't put PrintHelloWorld into the slash command list |
| 22:05.19 | ckknight | your top Print is misnamed |
| 22:05.27 | Tyler232 | o yea |
| 22:06.04 | Tyler232 | http://pastebin.com/m2983dd9f |
| 22:06.06 | Tyler232 | so what do i fix now |
| 22:06.15 | Aella | Run it and find out =P |
| 22:06.18 | Tyler232 | okee |
| 22:06.20 | Tyler232 | one sec |
| 22:06.34 | Tyler232 | is there an error log somewhere that blizz makes |
| 22:06.46 | Neo|Home | I strongly recommend bugsack |
| 22:06.48 | Aella | FrameXML.log |
| 22:06.52 | Aella | That does XML errors |
| 22:06.57 | Mery | in red on your screen if you have errors turned on |
| 22:06.59 | Aella | Otherwise, turn on "Show Lua Errors" in interface options |
| 22:07.01 | Pneumatus | i'm so sad, got a kael kill now, but still havnt killed vashj :< |
| 22:07.12 | cbreak | vashj is tough :/ |
| 22:07.14 | Tyler232 | wheres the location of FrameXML.log |
| 22:07.21 | cogwheel | Logs |
| 22:07.22 | cbreak | in the Log folder |
| 22:07.30 | Tyler232 | i see it |
| 22:07.34 | Tyler232 | ok im gonna test it now |
| 22:08.54 | Tyler232 | woot |
| 22:08.56 | Tyler232 | it works :D |
| 22:09.10 | Tyler232 | so i have to restart wow every time a make a change? |
| 22:09.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Dekster (n=chatzill@netblock-68-183-40-143.dslextreme.com) |
| 22:09.28 | Aella | Every time you add or remove a file to your ToC |
| 22:09.37 | Aella | If you just change them, you can just reload the UI |
| 22:09.46 | Tyler232 | ahh ok |
| 22:09.46 | Tyler232 | thanks |
| 22:09.52 | Tyler232 | im gonna try to do something more complicated next |
| 22:09.57 | Tyler232 | once i think of it |
| 22:10.01 | Aella | Standing on your head? |
| 22:10.06 | Aella | Oh wait, programming-type complicated. |
| 22:10.12 | Tyler232 | lol |
| 22:10.21 | Tyler232 | i think ill look up how to print the date |
| 22:10.27 | Tyler232 | brb |
| 22:10.45 | cbreak | what I learned during writing addons for WoW was to stay away from XML. |
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| 22:11.02 | Neo|Home | Aella: not quite. every time you add a new file period. Adding or removing to the toc doesn't matter as long as the files existed initially |
| 22:11.21 | cbreak | the contents of a toc file do not get reread on reloging |
| 22:11.33 | cbreak | so if you change that, you have to restart wow. |
| 22:12.08 | Tyler232 | whats the command to get the amount of copper |
| 22:13.13 | bleeter | giefbleetsgoldnaokthxplz |
| 22:13.49 | Thunder_Child | sure...bleets.... |
| 22:14.32 | cbreak | ammount of copper? |
| 22:14.47 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/API :) |
| 22:14.51 | Tyler232 | GetMoney() |
| 22:14.55 | Tyler232 | ahh |
| 22:15.17 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api |
| 22:15.22 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories |
| 22:15.22 | cbreak | that list always seemed complete |
| 22:16.00 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 22:16.25 | Anaral | How do I add two svns for the same addon with TortoiseSVN? |
| 22:17.45 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: what about it? |
| 22:18.09 | Tekkub | well hot diggity damn I'm fucking slow |
| 22:18.28 | Tekkub | http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=97065&catid=339 |
| 22:18.48 | bleeter | Anaral: as in, using two source repositories? you need middleware version control system - typically people use mercurial, git, monotone, and a tool such as tailor which converts from/to different source code control systems. SVN can't deal with multiple sources/destinations by itself. |
| 22:18.52 | Tekkub | I live ON green mtn |
| 22:19.14 | End | At least all of colorado isn't on fire again! |
| 22:19.14 | Anaral | Oh |
| 22:19.14 | Tekkub | right near the edge of the residental area |
| 22:19.21 | Anaral | That bites. |
| 22:19.27 | NightHawkAtWork | ... and you didn't notice the fire? |
| 22:19.29 | Duman | sbo forgot to append #57 to the URL |
| 22:19.39 | Tekkub | I've been here for a few hours thinking I smelled burning, and hearing helicopters |
| 22:19.55 | cbreak | Anaral: do you mean two servers or two working directories? |
| 22:20.01 | Kirov | Could just be the roast in the oven. |
| 22:20.03 | NightHawkAtWork | haha |
| 22:20.15 | Anaral | Two servers, Curseforge and WoWInterface. |
| 22:20.20 | Industrial | "oh hey my hair is on fire" |
| 22:20.43 | cbreak | subversion only works with a single central repository I think. at least by default. |
| 22:20.49 | bleeter | Anaral: yeah, use a local repository system and tailor to push changes upstream. |
| 22:21.22 | Tekkub | actually I'm not at all afraid of our apt building going up... we're about 3 blocks from the edge of the gov't land.. and the building is solid concrete :) |
| 22:21.24 | bleeter | Anaral: this is an equivalent problem that Linux faced with the Linux kernel, leading him to recreate the wheel and invent git |
| 22:21.29 | End | Tekkub: it's when you can see a picture of the fire with your house it in you know you're in trouble |
| 22:21.41 | Tyler232 | thanks for all the help guys ill join again if i have more q's |
| 22:21.43 | bleeter | (recreating the wheel as there were other distributed control systems out there at the time) |
| 22:22.05 | cbreak | Linux was on bitkeeper, not subversion. |
| 22:22.16 | Tekkub | and now that I think about it, I bet it was lightning that started it... there was a tiny storm around noon... but the was one nice loud crack of thunder right on top of us |
| 22:22.35 | bleeter | ah, yeah... my bad cbreak. still, they ditched cvs for bitkeeper for that reason ;) |
| 22:22.50 | bleeter | or was it svn.. my memory of the time is hazy |
| 22:23.02 | Fisker- | Tekkub |
| 22:23.08 | Fisker- | WTB Balls on the EU CM team |
| 22:23.10 | laeg | can anybody recommend a mod for keeping notes on people apart from karma? |
| 22:23.18 | Fisker- | They should get Crezax back |
| 22:23.21 | Fisker- | he dared ban me! |
| 22:23.27 | Tekkub | I'm not EU fister :P |
| 22:23.33 | Fisker- | That's a truckload of balls right there |
| 22:23.38 | Fisker- | Tekkub no but US has balls |
| 22:23.40 | Fisker- | WTB |
| 22:23.58 | Tekkub | oh yup, they're saying it wa lightning |
| 22:24.44 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557212127&sid=2003 <-annoying guy is annoooooooooooying |
| 22:24.46 | Tekkub | wow.. this is fucking win... 7news uses a flash box to tell you to install silverlight to see live video |
| 22:25.07 | Neo|Home | lol |
| 22:25.08 | Fisker- | This is like the billionth thread he has made about "OMG SERVER SUCKS, OMG GIVE MOAR INFO, OMG I R PAYING" |
| 22:25.15 | Neo|Home | imagine if you don't have flash |
| 22:25.30 | Neo|Home | so it tells you to install flash that tells you to install silverlight |
| 22:25.31 | Fisker- | If only rule nr. 1 of the Wizard's guide to beta testing applied here ;_; |
| 22:26.26 | cbreak | betas aren't for playing. They are to see stuff spectacularly crash and burn. |
| 22:26.40 | End | Tekkub: it looks like a flash player AND a silverlight player |
| 22:26.48 | End | but it doesn't select the correct one right or something |
| 22:26.57 | End | or else, the flash is just for the ui |
| 22:26.59 | Tekkub | http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/17090011/detail.html |
| 22:27.00 | bleeter | cbreak: s/see/make/, and I agree ;) |
| 22:27.05 | Tekkub | look at their map there... |
| 22:27.14 | cbreak | blizzard already does that :) |
| 22:27.26 | bleeter | not well enough tho ;) |
| 22:27.32 | Tekkub | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=42+S+Holman+Way,+Golden,+CO+80401%E2%80%8E&sll=39.715886,-105.162302&sspn=0.006503,0.013947&ie=UTF8&ll=39.713096,-105.160832&spn=0.026014,0.05579&t=h&z=15 |
| 22:27.35 | Tekkub | that's where I am |
| 22:27.38 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 22:27.44 | cbreak | they nuked four mage talents last patch. in addition to the one that was already broken. |
| 22:28.01 | Tekkub | and winds are from the south currently, whee! |
| 22:28.42 | Tekkub | oh there's cops blocking traffic now, fuck it I'm going up on th eroof |
| 22:29.39 | Sixen | *waves* |
| 22:29.53 | Kirov | Tekkub - I think google maps is broken, I'm not seeing any little burning people running around. |
| 22:30.01 | Sixen | lolwut, Tekkub? You're driving right now? |
| 22:30.10 | Matrix110| | yeah giev Realtime Sat feed |
| 22:30.15 | bleeter | Kirov: set fire to your monitor, then |
| 22:30.48 | Kirov | bleeter - there's a plan! |
| 22:30.55 | Matrix110| | but googlemaps is funny since a "important" government person comes from my hometown the resolution trippled on googlemaps/earth |
| 22:30.57 | Thunder_Child | is fail a plan? |
| 22:31.21 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: sure. a plan doesn't have to be win to be a plan. look at the US invasion of Iraq. |
| 22:31.42 | End | but...but...Mission accomplished! |
| 22:32.08 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, who sais that was planned? |
| 22:32.10 | Thunder_Child | said* |
| 22:32.55 | bleeter | I'm going out on a limb in my suspicions here - I don't think the troops mysteriously vanished one night in the US and reappeared moments later in the middle east |
| 22:34.27 | Thunder_Child | ~fail bleeter |
| 22:34.28 | purl | bleeter, you Fail! |
| 22:34.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Tyler232 (n=chatzill@pool-70-22-176-235.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:34.40 | Tyler232 | i have another question |
| 22:34.54 | Tyler232 | how do i do a parameter |
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| 22:35.01 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Bibi`] by ChanServ |
| 22:35.04 | Tyler232 | like /kick x |
| 22:35.40 | cbreak | your handler gets passed a parameter |
| 22:35.42 | Kirov | End - The problem is ... which mission? |
| 22:35.45 | cbreak | the string after the slash command |
| 22:35.50 | |pez| | I don't really feel it's normal that half of my face hurts 0.o |
| 22:35.56 | cbreak | your handler ignores it, but if you add a parameter you can handle it |
| 22:36.10 | Tyler232 | how do i add one |
| 22:36.10 | End | I suppose there wasn't a clear distinction made :P |
| 22:36.34 | cbreak | chante your PrintHelloWorld() to PrintHelloWorld(arguments) |
| 22:36.40 | Tyler232 | oh |
| 22:36.47 | Tyler232 | oh i get it |
| 22:37.13 | Tyler232 | what if i wanted to do /kick x y |
| 22:37.23 | Tyler232 | can i do function(x,y) |
| 22:37.28 | cbreak | you can split arguments with the semi regular expressions |
| 22:37.32 | Tyler232 | ok |
| 22:37.37 | cbreak | string.* |
| 22:37.45 | cbreak | (string.find and so on) |
| 22:40.30 | cogwheel | ~poke ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:40.31 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind ScytheBlade1, pokes ScytheBlade1 repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:46.56 | Anaral | Is git all command line?If not, how do I install it once I've opened the tar file. I see the INSTALL file. |
| 22:47.27 | Tyler232 | how do i make more than 1 slash command |
| 22:48.05 | cbreak | usually you would create sub commands |
| 22:48.12 | Tyler232 | subcomands then |
| 22:48.22 | cbreak | I have /bt show, /bt hide, /bt reset and so on |
| 22:48.38 | cbreak | you parse them in your slash handler and call the real hanlder function depending on the argument |
| 22:49.15 | cbreak | you could alternatively create a new slash command the same way you created the first, just put an other function reference into the command table and create the slash command global. |
| 22:58.10 | Xinhuan | does anyone have a recent combatlog of illidari council? |
| 22:59.37 | Tyler232 | http://pastebin.com/m38b9fb89 |
| 22:59.42 | Tyler232 | doesnt seem to work |
| 22:59.49 | Neo|Home | Xinhuan: yes |
| 23:00.33 | Xinhuan | able to send one to me? |
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| 23:06.09 | cbreak | Tyler: read again carefully what you wrote |
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| 23:11.15 | cncfanatics | whew, that took some sweating |
| 23:11.25 | cncfanatics | getting wireless to work on linux is anoying -.- |
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| 23:17.49 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 23:18.12 | Amarande | Know any of you an addon off the top of your head that will add an ammo count to a hunter's autoshot action button? |
| 23:19.15 | Amarande | Or should I just get AmmoFu :) |
| 23:20.06 | cbreak | doesn't the quiver show the ammo count? |
| 23:20.14 | cbreak | not that I've played a hunter... |
| 23:20.20 | Tekkub | http://picasaweb.google.com/Tekkub/FIREBAD |
| 23:20.25 | Tekkub | BEER GOOD! |
| 23:20.30 | Tekkub | CAMERA BAD! |
| 23:20.56 | Kirov | Fire bad, trees pretty? |
| 23:21.09 | cbreak | looks more like smoke so far. |
| 23:21.53 | Amarande | cbreak: my UI is set up with one bag button |
| 23:23.36 | Tekkub | it's a brush fire, ther'es always lots of smoke :P |
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| 23:28.40 | Kirov | http://www.bigredkitty.net/forums/index.php?topic=1003.0 - is this as much meaningless voodoo as I think it is? |
| 23:29.12 | Kirov | The entire macro is just |
| 23:29.21 | Kirov | The rest of the voodoo is meaningless |
| 23:31.23 | |Jelly| | Seems like it's pointless for it to be in two macros. |
| 23:31.43 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 23:31.55 | |Jelly| | I don't know -- I don't really raid a hunter but on the few times that I ran my BM hunter through Kara, I did just fine with essentially the first macro minus all the "Don't spam me" nonsense. |
| 23:34.18 | Neo|Home | from what I recall there is a valid reason |
| 23:34.27 | Neo|Home | specifically if you just make one macro it's possible it gets stuck |
| 23:34.56 | Gnarfoz | actually, if you read the post |
| 23:35.02 | Gnarfoz | the two-macro version can get stuck too :p |
| 23:35.30 | Gnarfoz | if you put it in one macro, the castsequence will prevent the Kill Command thingy if Kill Command isn't up |
| 23:35.30 | Neo|Home | well there you go |
| 23:35.33 | Neo|Home | "meaning if Kill Command "locks" - your shots are not locked with it! You can continue to fire, usually getting another critical strike within a few moments, and "unlock" Kill Command. " |
| 23:35.49 | Gnarfoz | the other "stuck" problem with 2 macros is supposedly a bug |
| 23:35.49 | |Jelly| | I thought they fixed that. |
| 23:35.51 | Neo|Home | so it might lock but you can still dps |
| 23:36.05 | Gnarfoz | |Jelly|: that's a base functionality of castsequence, they'll never "fix" that |
| 23:36.24 | Gnarfoz | castsequences don't advance when a part of it fails |
| 23:36.40 | Neo|Home | come wotlk though |
| 23:36.45 | Neo|Home | it'll be much less of an issue |
| 23:36.48 | |Jelly| | Well, I guess I stopped looking at the macro when I wrote it off 10 minutes ago and was reverting back to the one that I used which wasn't nearly as complicated. |
| 23:37.04 | Kirov | There's no good reason for a /castsequence Kill Command, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot apart from eating extra key presses for a while. |
| 23:37.41 | Gnarfoz | who cares how complicated the *macro* is, you're not reading it to anyone in combat while juggling chainsaws. you mash a button ;p |
| 23:37.42 | Kirov | Neo - what is WotLK changing? |
| 23:37.52 | Gnarfoz | ss doesn't clip auto shot anymore |
| 23:38.08 | Neo|Home | in fact autoshoot can fire during steadshot I believe |
| 23:38.09 | Kirov | really?! |
| 23:38.10 | Neo|Home | like mid-cast |
| 23:38.14 | NightHawkAtWork | Gnarfoz: says you, I frequenly recite my macros while juggling chain saws. i mean, what else am i going to do while face rollling my i-win button? |
| 23:38.26 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkAtWork: I dunno, I play a rogue. |
| 23:38.40 | Gnarfoz | and I have a warlock alt >_> |
| 23:38.46 | Kirov | oy damn, fuck blizzard. |
| 23:38.48 | Gnarfoz | and on beta, I'm playing my retardin |
| 23:39.04 | inviso | Gnarfoz: map all button to fear, /faceroll and it's exactly like playing a hunter ;) |
| 23:39.05 | Gnarfoz | all pretty much... one-button classes right now ;p |
| 23:39.07 | Kirov | Proper rotations were one of the few things increasing the average hunter IQ |
| 23:39.19 | NightHawkAtWork | Gnarfoz: pretty much every class is a one-button wonder, really. :p |
| 23:39.37 | Gnarfoz | you didn't even need "proper" rotations. they could be perfectly mapped to a macro like that. it was just fucking boring :P |
| 23:39.57 | *** part/#wowuidev NightHawkAtWork (n=duaiwe@static-71-121-241-67.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
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| 23:40.10 | NightHawkAtWork | doh, ctrl-w'd the wrong window |
| 23:40.17 | Gnarfoz | our hunters quickly reverted back to doing their rotations manually becuase they kept forgetting stuff like... MD "oh I wasn't paying attention" |
| 23:40.30 | inviso | o.O |
| 23:40.42 | Gnarfoz | but then it's not like you have to pay attention when doing it manually, either, so I guess they're just fucking braindead |
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| 23:42.51 | Tyler232 | can i have my wow addon connect to the internet to retrieve info |
| 23:42.54 | Kirov | When I still played my hunter I did my rotation while watching tv or a movie... manually. |
| 23:42.59 | Kirov | Tyler232 - no |
| 23:43.01 | Mery | Tyler232: no |
| 23:43.12 | Tyler232 | how does carbonite detect new versions then |
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| 23:43.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.31 | Mery | a hidden global chat channel |
| 23:43.38 | bleeter | it looks at the addon channel to see if anyone else is running a later version, i guess |
| 23:43.45 | Tyler232 | oh |
| 23:43.47 | |Jelly| | Probably SendAddOnMessage or whatever "HAI GUYS! I HAS VERSION XXXXXX! WHAT VERSHUN DU U HAS?!?" |
| 23:43.58 | Tyler232 | lol |
| 23:43.58 | inviso | lies, it checks in with the mother ship |
| 23:44.02 | bleeter | which the reply is 'LOL NUB' |
| 23:44.03 | Tyler232 | ok |
| 23:44.05 | Kirov | Tyler232 - there's a hidden channel that carbonite joins in the background. When ever a user joins the channel it asks for people's version is, if someone has a newer version they broadcast. |
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| 23:44.12 | Gnarfoz | just like DBM, |Jelly| =x |
| 23:44.20 | Kirov | No addon channel, btw. |
| 23:44.32 | Kirov | Carbonite joins a regular channel. |
| 23:44.47 | Mery | hmm with *proper design* they'd broadcast the update! =P |
| 23:45.02 | Kirov | DBM, Omen, etc. all do it via Guild / Raid addon messages because they assume people, you know, group up. |
| 23:45.20 | cbreak | omen is worthless when you're not. |
| 23:45.24 | cbreak | and so is DBM |
| 23:45.27 | inviso | that would be extremely scary Mery. I remember when ctraid used to do that |
| 23:45.29 | Gnarfoz | carbonite is worthless wether or not you do. |
| 23:45.29 | cbreak | so that assumption is probably correct. |
| 23:45.47 | Kirov | Or RDX used to do that as well. |
| 23:45.53 | inviso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.18 | Neo|Home | KTM comes to mind |
| 23:46.23 | Gnarfoz | I don't remember ctra doing that, I think that was rdx only :x |
| 23:46.29 | inviso | Veni would make modifications to RDX during raids and then broadcast the changes out. Still crazy scary |
| 23:46.45 | inviso | hmm, could be wrong about ct |
| 23:46.46 | foxlit | Actually, that depends. |
| 23:46.48 | Neo|Home | hello <lock up everyone's wow on command> ! |
| 23:46.53 | Kirov | I always liked the concept, but it's way to scary. |
| 23:47.03 | Kirov | too |
| 23:47.25 | foxlit | throw some signing at it, and you're not in a bad position |
| 23:47.42 | Neo|Home | the code is open |
| 23:47.48 | inviso | right, but that assumes everyone using the mod you develop is intelligent about security |
| 23:48.05 | inviso | Pretty sure e-mail viruses prove that's not a good plan |
| 23:48.10 | Mery | private/public key signing of course |
| 23:48.26 | Kirov | For my old guild's modified CTRA I almost added something like that so I could run client side checks for things like making sure everyone had their @#%! Onyxia cloak for Nefarian... but I didn't trust myself to not accidentally send an infinite loop. |
| 23:48.33 | inviso | How many people *wouldn't click "Root my box"? |
| 23:48.43 | foxlit | inviso: it wouldn't matter |
| 23:49.07 | Mery | how many people would type in their password if you present them a fake login screen? |
| 23:49.12 | foxlit | If you're considering idiocy, it's probably better to push signed updates through the realms than to offer updated downloads |
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| 23:49.51 | inviso | Are you saying the mod only accepts a single key as valid for pushing updates? |
| 23:49.58 | foxlit | Yes, duh. |
| 23:50.27 | inviso | So you personally have to be online for it to distribute, no? |
| 23:50.33 | foxlit | Or, rather 'a theoretical mod' rather than 'the mod' -- not talking about anything specific. |
| 23:50.47 | foxlit | No. It's enough if you can communicate with a single person who has the update. |
| 23:50.50 | Kirov | I use my fiancee as a perfect example of why popup style protection is worthless. She's very computer literate, knows much of the workings of a PC, OS, etc. She's not quite to the "make a pc from scratch" level of confidence about that knowledge, but she's close. However, if a popup box appears on her screen she clicks "OK" INSTANTLY before she even realizes it was there. |
| 23:51.02 | foxlit | [ps: where's my cross-realm bridging through battlegrounds?] |
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| 23:51.08 | Kirov | If I try and grab the mouse she gets upset because she doesn't even realize she's clicking them, they don't mentally register at all. |
| 23:51.45 | cbreak | you should train her. |
| 23:51.55 | Aiiane | that's the thing |
| 23:51.59 | Aiiane | most users are already trained |
| 23:52.00 | cbreak | I often show fake dialog boxes on my sister's computer asking for money and other stuff |
| 23:52.03 | Aiiane | they're trained to ignore popups |
| 23:52.12 | Aiiane | because there's so many silly ones |
| 23:52.15 | inviso | foxlit: ok, I see what you're getting at |
| 23:52.17 | cbreak | she only clicked on "Yes" once :) |
| 23:52.30 | Kirov | cbreak - heh |
| 23:53.30 | Neo|Home | Kirov: and that is why the "security" in Vista is just pointles |
| 23:53.46 | inviso | foxlit: That would be pretty nifty, actually, if blizzard wrote that into their framework and provided a service to go along with it |
| 23:54.00 | Kirov | Neo - exactly. |
| 23:54.14 | cbreak | you would have to store updates in the saved variables |
| 23:54.16 | cbreak | as strings. |
| 23:54.46 | foxlit | inviso: If you're involving Blizzard, there are much grander and more awesome things they could do -- but that's a futile exercise, as addons are unsupported third-party things rather than something they would actively go out of their way to build infrastructure for. |
| 23:55.08 | inviso | foxlit: haha, I sense no bitterness ;o) |
| 23:55.40 | cbreak | it would probably be very slow |
| 23:55.44 | foxlit | There isn't any :) |
| 23:55.48 | cbreak | and use a lot of additional memory |
| 23:55.59 | Kirov | Neo - Vista's ability to catch most illegal activity is completely negated by it's matched ability to have false positives on legal activity, and it's user's inability to understand the difference and being more concerned with getting on to what they want to do rather than read pop ups that don't mean anything to them. |
| 23:56.11 | foxlit | cbreak: actually, it wouldn't hurt that badly |
| 23:56.36 | cbreak | you would have to store the whole addon code twice, once as string so you can put it into saved variables, and once as real code |
| 23:56.45 | Kirov | cbreak - RunScript ftw! |
| 23:57.41 | foxlit | Editing it would be a bit odd, but it wouldn't be quite as bad as you imagine. |
| 23:57.44 | Kirov | I think Ace proves that loading the same addon 100 times over and over isn't a huge issue anymore. |
| 23:58.00 | cbreak | it's different |
| 23:58.09 | foxlit | The actual blocking issue is that you can't transfer assets |
| 23:58.10 | cbreak | you don't load the same thing twice, you load it once as string |
| 23:58.22 | cbreak | which you can not let the GC collect, since it is in the saved variables |
| 23:58.28 | Mery | because you need to keep the update for the next session |
| 23:58.36 | cbreak | that too |
| 23:58.47 | cbreak | and once as code, executed with RunScript or similar |
| 23:58.50 | foxlit | It'd take me a few days to write something that would enable trustable _code_ sharing over WoW; but there's a few things it won't work it, and those are usually the interesting kinds. |
| 23:59.04 | Kirov | still, the average amount of code in an addon vs. the amount of information in it's SV is negligable. |
| 23:59.33 | foxlit | s/work it/worth with/ |
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| 23:59.59 | inviso | keep in mind that if blizzard developed it, it wouldn't have to operate within the confines of their scripting engine. No reason it has to do anything nasty like that |
