| 00:00.20 | Amarande | Scythe: hey, in beta |
| 00:00.41 | Amarande | is there still plenty of pally plate, or is it mostly going to be old warrior style plate to accommodate the fact that DKs have no use for int or spellpower either? |
| 00:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I couldn't even tell you |
| 00:06.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: I think the idea is to consolidate pally plate to be the same as warrior plate as much as possible |
| 00:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I almost have all of my keybinds in place |
| 00:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I can almost go quest :P |
| 00:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | almost. |
| 00:11.28 | NightHawkTheSane | also. i hate you. :D |
| 00:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's nice to know that I'll never have to do that again (until live anyway) |
| 00:15.15 | Amarande | Night: how? |
| 00:15.24 | Amarande | DKs and warriors value strength/AP the most |
| 00:15.28 | Amarande | Paladins value int/spellpower |
| 00:15.38 | Amarande | unless we're expecting that paladins should all swallow their pride and go ret |
| 00:16.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: define 'paladins' |
| 00:16.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: well, first off, paladins of what spec? :P Obvoiusly, there'll have to be healing plate for holy pallies. But ret pallies can be consolidated to arms/dk plate |
| 00:16.17 | Amarande | How about prot? |
| 00:16.23 | Amarande | You need int/mana/spellpower to tank |
| 00:16.28 | NightHawkTheSane | that can concievably be consolidated to warrior tanking plate |
| 00:16.37 | NightHawkTheSane | with sta->spellpower, that might not be an issue |
| 00:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: stuff changes. |
| 00:17.34 | Amarande | well, we *can* use warrior tanking plate even now |
| 00:17.36 | Amarande | but then we oom a lot |
| 00:17.46 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, depends. |
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| 00:17.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, if you're taking enoough consistent damage, you wont really |
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| 00:18.11 | Amarande | Scythe: so we should get ready to possibly accept going back to being healbots in plate like we apparently were in classic for the most part? |
| 00:18.22 | NightHawkTheSane | but i mean, look at the new talents in prot. http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=s |
| 00:18.37 | Amarande | at least, looking at the T1-2-3 itemization that seems what pallies were back then LOL |
| 00:18.38 | Kaso | the fact that sentance has the word apparently scares me |
| 00:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: just because people don't like the change doesn't mean that it won't be happening |
| 00:18.55 | Amarande | Kaso: I wasn't around for classic, I only know what the itemization was then |
| 00:19.00 | Kaso | Paladins are healbots and thats the way it should be! |
| 00:19.04 | Kaso | Also Druids and Priests |
| 00:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Touched By the light, 30% sta -> spellpower, and avoidance -> reduced spell cost |
| 00:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: I think you're really getting overly worried for no good reason, honestly. :P |
| 00:20.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 00:21.10 | Amarande | Night: probably. It came from reading a thread on the beta boards where apparently DKs are starting to QQ because they have to slog through outlands which is full of 'useless caster plate' |
| 00:21.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: "full of" is relative. |
| 00:21.33 | Amarande | and someone else is worried that making a faster outland level curve will result in about half of outland becoming a dead zone |
| 00:21.48 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure why someone else said "more places for people on Moon Guard to cyber" though :| |
| 00:21.58 | Amarande | I've never played on Moon Guard, so I'm not sure how it has a bad rep |
| 00:22.37 | Amarande | unless there's just a general dislike for RP servers among people who play on standard servers |
| 00:22.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: they can join the pallies who whined, because, while it may have spell damage, it's certainly crap for most pally specs. |
| 00:23.38 | Amarande | God knows I've done plenty of even tough quests sometimes that gave crappy rewards. It was for the fun of doing the quest |
| 00:23.46 | Amarande | too many people are into gear gear gear gear gear I guess :| |
| 00:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 00:23.52 | Thunder_Child | ~~~~~~ |
| 00:23.53 | purl | ACTION takes out a revolver and shoots thunder_child in the head three times. |
| 00:23.55 | Amarande | hopefully achievements will change that |
| 00:24.14 | Amarande | like ... last night I did one quest in Silithus that actually required me to get someone from the -other faction- to help me |
| 00:24.27 | Amarande | and it gave me ... a choice of 2 blue items that a pally can't use either of. I did it anyway. :) |
| 00:25.53 | Amarande | the gear addicts would even be better off to fully do places like strat and scholo all the way anyway come to think of it |
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| 00:30.48 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobesSmoothVsPeaks.jpg - which one looks better, smooth or peaks? (left or right) |
| 00:31.11 | Corrodias | i think left |
| 00:31.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i like left, as well |
| 00:31.35 | Amarande | Night: the rum gone? :D |
| 00:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i dislike rum. :( |
| 00:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | but i'm out of beer. |
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| 00:32.18 | NightHawkTheSane | so i was thinking of buying some tequila |
| 00:33.47 | Kaso | Kirov,, provided we should ignore the background? Left |
| 00:34.32 | Kirov | heh |
| 00:35.02 | Amarande | Night: Don Julio, I hope |
| 00:35.15 | Amarande | *please* don't tell me you're getting Cuervo |
| 00:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | a) if i can find it, b) god, no, never. |
| 00:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i do have -some- taste. ;) |
| 00:36.13 | Amarande | Night: even the local smallish liquor store has Don |
| 00:36.20 | Amarande | it's a bit expensive though ... $44-$50 a bottle depending on the type |
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| 00:36.38 | Amarande | and they have a couple types that are even more expensive but apparently they don't carry them at Northridge |
| 00:36.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. I just havn't looked for it at the nearby store at all, so i dont know |
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| 00:56.55 | Shirik | Why not Cuervo? |
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| 00:58.50 | NightHawkTheSane | because it's shitty tequila? |
| 01:01.28 | Shirik | is it? |
| 01:01.30 | Shirik | never tried it |
| 01:02.01 | Amarande | game mechanics question: |
| 01:02.05 | Amarande | if you log out while a ghost |
| 01:02.11 | Amarande | do you log back in where your ghost was when you logged out |
| 01:02.11 | Cide | you become an IRL ghost |
| 01:02.16 | Amarande | or do you end up at the GY again? |
| 01:02.21 | Shirik | depends |
| 01:02.36 | Shirik | if you log back in before the next server maintenance, you log in as a ghost where you were |
| 01:02.37 | Amarande | it kinda is pertinent to managing this one quest without begging for help again lol |
| 01:02.44 | Shirik | if you log in after server maintenance, you log in alive at the nearest GY |
| 01:02.49 | Amarande | basically: I have just died, in the room with the Tyr's Hand holy water |
| 01:03.00 | Amarande | I plan now to move my ghost there, then log out and switch to my 70 and clear out the room |
| 01:03.03 | Amarande | then log back in, rez and grab it |
| 01:03.04 | p3lim | looking for wowi admin |
| 01:03.06 | Amarande | does that work? |
| 01:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: it should |
| 01:03.23 | Shirik | p3lim: What do you need? |
| 01:03.37 | p3lim | Shirik: put oUF Voice into outdated mods pls |
| 01:04.14 | Shirik | is it not 2.4 compatible or is it just not useful anymore? |
| 01:04.42 | p3lim | its badly coded and im not supporting it |
| 01:04.49 | Shirik | heh ok |
| 01:04.53 | p3lim | :p |
| 01:05.15 | Shirik | done |
| 01:05.18 | p3lim | thanks |
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| 01:10.05 | batrick | hey shirik: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430134474&sid=1 |
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| 01:10.25 | DARKGuy | o/ |
| 01:11.24 | Corrodias | before i even begin to comprehend the question, i must ask why it's on the wow forum |
| 01:12.00 | Shirik | batrick: Replied |
| 01:14.17 | zeroau | Uhhh |
| 01:14.20 | zeroau | shitty compiler? |
| 01:16.30 | Gnarfoz | everything is shitty, obviously, except each geek's personal favorite of anything. but even that is just the least worst of them all. |
| 01:17.15 | Gnarfoz | do you know the internets? ^^ |
| 01:17.21 | Shirik | batrick: There are so many things wrong with that block of code |
| 01:17.38 | Shirik | for(;;), "using namespace std", cout << "\n", |
| 01:18.13 | Shirik | not to mention cout<<"EAT MY BAWLSLOL\n"; |
| 01:18.49 | Gnarfoz | rough estimation of poster's age: 13 |
| 01:21.23 | Shirik | I bet batrick uses "using namespace std;" doesn't he |
| 01:23.23 | Corrodias | what's wrong with std? |
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| 01:24.32 | Shirik | nothing |
| 01:24.32 | Shirik | the statement "using namespace std;" is very wrong |
| 01:24.34 | zeroau | how is it wrong? |
| 01:24.39 | zeroau | lazy, yes |
| 01:24.41 | zeroau | wrong i don't think so |
| 01:24.42 | Shirik | it fills the global namespace with everything in std |
| 01:24.47 | Shirik | this is wrong :P |
| 01:25.04 | Shirik | It becomes wrong to the point of compiler errors when you actually need to use boost |
| 01:25.11 | Shirik | but even if not using boost it's still very very bad :P |
| 01:25.30 | Corrodias | 1) what's boost, and 2) shouldn't any amateur compiler be able to sort out what it needs to do despite having all that available? |
| 01:26.10 | Shirik | boost is an addendum to the standard library providing a few extra and improved tools |
| 01:26.16 | Gnarfoz | what the hell is the purpose of 'using namespace std' if not to fill the global namespace with everything in std? |
| 01:26.18 | Shirik | and (2) yes, but you miss the human component of your problem |
| 01:26.28 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: That's exactly its purpose. It still shouldn't be used :P |
| 01:26.33 | Corrodias | i don't understand |
| 01:26.45 | Gnarfoz | in other words: you're just being OCD about it~~ |
| 01:27.04 | Shirik | I wouldn't consider it "OCD" |
| 01:27.13 | Shirik | The majority of good C++ programmers will agree that it should never be used |
| 01:27.22 | Shirik | I could completely agree with something like "using std::cout", etc. |
| 01:27.33 | Corrodias | you still haven't explained in a way i understand, though |
| 01:27.38 | Corrodias | maybe that's impossible |
| 01:27.53 | Shirik | http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/coding-standards.html#faq-27.5 |
| 01:27.56 | Corrodias | no, actually, i looked back and you never said what's wrong about it |
| 01:28.49 | Corrodias | because of conflicts? :o wow. |
| 01:28.53 | |Jelly| | What level can you get into Kara now? |
| 01:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | at least 68 |
| 01:29.13 | |Jelly| | damn |
| 01:29.22 | Corrodias | should not a basic compiler error tell you that you are trying to use a name that is already in use, if that happens? |
| 01:29.29 | |Jelly| | i wanted my 67 paladin to ninja lewtz from a guild's badge run. |
| 01:29.30 | NightHawkTheSane | not that you ought to take anyone less than a sanely geared 70, unless you're stacking the group |
| 01:29.47 | Shirik | Corrodias: Certainly, but that's not the point :P |
| 01:29.56 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: erm, sorry, i phrased that poorly, i meant.. i know you can take l68 in, MAYBE lower, but i'm not aware of it |
| 01:29.59 | Corrodias | the point is that you should not need a compiler? >_> |
| 01:30.07 | Shirik | Let us assume that the compiler did tell you this |
| 01:30.15 | DARKGuy | I don't see the problem in using namespace std; or not. It's up to the programmer, and those who read/write the code. Maybe to make it easier. Code runs anyways. |
| 01:30.20 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: even more important: why bother someone just trying to make a simple calculator for school homework with it? >_> |
| 01:30.31 | Corrodias | BECAUSE IT IS AN AFFRONT TO GOD |
| 01:30.36 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Look at it this way |
| 01:30.40 | Shirik | he's obviously learning C++ |
| 01:30.42 | Corrodias | god does not understand namespaces |
| 01:30.55 | Shirik | Should he learn the correct way or the easy way? |
| 01:31.01 | DARKGuy | Shirik: how? where o.o |
| 01:31.06 | Gnarfoz | he should learn the parts he needs to understand first. |
| 01:31.07 | Corrodias | depends on what you consider "correct" |
| 01:31.10 | Gnarfoz | he can optimize later ;> |
| 01:31.20 | Shirik | why not learn correctly first :P |
| 01:31.27 | DARKGuy | Because it can be harder |
| 01:31.32 | Gnarfoz | because it's unneccessarilty more complicated |
| 01:31.33 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 01:31.34 | Corrodias | code that works right, is easy to understand, and doesn't spaz out... |
| 01:31.34 | Shirik | Corrodias: I shudder at how many people using C++ don't even know what "using namespace std" does |
| 01:31.46 | Shirik | Corrodias: Tell that to any of your professors :P |
| 01:31.47 | Gnarfoz | he's not using it yet, he's learning it :p |
| 01:31.56 | Shirik | How many professors out there take points off for not having comments? |
| 01:32.06 | NightHawkTheSane | mine used to |
| 01:32.07 | Gnarfoz | if he can't get that messy pile of code to compile, do you think he understands the link you just gave to us? :p |
| 01:32.08 | Shirik | Comments make code "unnecessarily more complicated" by some definitions |
| 01:32.19 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Why do you think I opted not to tell him :) |
| 01:32.25 | Shirik | note the edit- - I took it out |
| 01:32.30 | Gnarfoz | touché |
| 01:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | course, some of mine took off points for using ++/-- |
| 01:32.41 | Corrodias | sorry, i'm getting worked up over nothing |
| 01:32.45 | Shirik | I take off points for "using namespace std" too :P |
| 01:32.51 | Shirik | the same as not using comments |
| 01:32.52 | DARKGuy | It's all a silly thing anyways. |
| 01:32.53 | Corrodias | Shirik has a coding preference that he wants to push on other people, and this is not unusual |
| 01:33.01 | Corrodias | i don't have to agree, and i remain unconvinced |
| 01:33.02 | p3lim | Shirik: Mind doing one more little thing for me? |
| 01:33.04 | DARKGuy | Hey, it happens with all the C++ pros. |
| 01:33.08 | Codayus | Shirik: Lack of comments was always worth subtracting points when I was majoring in comp sci. |
| 01:33.10 | Corrodias | but that's his choice and my choice |
| 01:33.10 | Shirik | My preference is in line with the majority of the C++ community |
| 01:33.13 | DARKGuy | Corrodias: ---^ |
| 01:33.21 | Shirik | p3lim: what's up? |
| 01:33.23 | Corrodias | (maybe i don't like the C++ community) |
| 01:33.28 | Shirik | most don't :P |
| 01:33.29 | Codayus | And in once case, I got counted off for using the variable i in a for loop. |
| 01:33.30 | Corrodias | (look at the bloated cludge of a language they made up) |
| 01:33.31 | p3lim | Shirik: Delete "eiszeit"'s comment to pTell |
| 01:33.35 | DARKGuy | lol Corrodias |
| 01:33.37 | p3lim | as its obsolete |
| 01:33.37 | Codayus | Not descriptive enough. :-/ |
| 01:33.45 | Gnarfoz | at his level of coding, or the one that he seems to have to do with seeing that instead of "teachers" he said "professors", this level of "nitpicking" is probably justified ;) |
| 01:33.48 | Shirik | strangely enough, p3lim, I can't do that |
| 01:34.01 | p3lim | neither can I |
| 01:34.04 | Cide | "using namespace std" is stupid |
| 01:34.07 | Shirik | You'd have to catch Cairenn |
| 01:34.10 | Cide | it removes the beauty of namespaces |
| 01:34.12 | p3lim | ait :) |
| 01:34.12 | DARKGuy | it makes code easier to read. |
| 01:34.18 | Shirik | Cide: It doesn't just remove its beauty |
| 01:34.21 | Corrodias | beauty? |
| 01:34.22 | Cide | ya, but it removes the utility of namespaces |
| 01:34.22 | Cairenn | p3lim: link, please? |
| 01:34.26 | Shirik | it removes anything about namespaces period :P |
| 01:34.27 | Cide | utility, beauty, what have you |
| 01:34.29 | Cide | yeah |
| 01:34.31 | Cide | ^ my point |
| 01:34.34 | DARKGuy | it depends on what you're using in the namespace. |
| 01:34.37 | p3lim | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=8384#comments |
| 01:34.38 | Cide | no |
| 01:34.38 | Gnarfoz | it also does just what it's supposed to do, but Cide came late and we're now starting this while thing over again :p |
| 01:34.39 | Corrodias | so maybe they shouldn't have put it in a namespace |
| 01:34.45 | Shirik | I have ZERO PROBLEM with someone doing "using std::cout", etc. |
| 01:34.50 | Shirik | "using namespace std" is stupid |
| 01:34.54 | DARKGuy | Hah. |
| 01:34.54 | Corrodias | you're stupid |
| 01:35.00 | Corrodias | so nyaaaa |
| 01:35.02 | Cairenn | p3lim: why am I removing the comment? |
| 01:35.02 | DARKGuy | well, he fails anyways. |
| 01:35.02 | Cide | there is no namespace if you import it as globals |
| 01:35.07 | DARKGuy | :P |
| 01:35.12 | p3lim | its obsolete |
| 01:35.13 | DARKGuy | ... what? |
| 01:35.16 | Cide | same reason "from foo import *" is discouraged in python |
| 01:35.27 | DARKGuy | I've always wondered something. |
| 01:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: well, the namespace makes it easy to just import it all and forget what you're using ;) |
| 01:35.30 | p3lim | my addon does what he didnt think it did, dont want to scare off my customers, do I? :p |
| 01:35.32 | Cairenn | done |
| 01:35.35 | p3lim | thanks |
| 01:35.54 | Cide | ya |
| 01:35.56 | Cide | but you're wrong |
| 01:35.58 | Cide | that's just how it is |
| 01:35.59 | Corrodias | fortunately, javac errors when you've got ambiguous code, so it doesn't cause issues in java |
| 01:36.15 | DARKGuy | Do you think the computer cares if you do "using namespace std;" or not? I guess not. It's binary code, the computer says "fuck your code" and converts it to something it can understand, and your mind would be blown off trying to understand what the computer understands, so, who cares about how code is written, if who is writing it (a human) can understand it? |
| 01:36.19 | Corrodias | maybe if somebody could put together a decent compiler, i dunno |
| 01:36.32 | Shirik | in fight >.> |
| 01:36.39 | Shirik | stupid kara group... |
| 01:36.55 | Gnarfoz | always pulling new mobs when you're having a nice discussion on IRC |
| 01:36.59 | Gnarfoz | damn them ;p |
| 01:37.05 | Codayus | It's like variable name conventions. Technically, you can just call them "var1" through "var50", but that doesn't make it a good idea. |
| 01:37.17 | Corrodias | i am always right, so i don't even know how this argument got started |
| 01:37.30 | DARKGuy | those are just coding styles, everyone uses the one that it makes them more comfortable. |
| 01:37.32 | Codayus | And saying "the compiler doesn't care" is true, but doesn't make a stupid variable name convention less stupid. |
| 01:37.38 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: on the internets, everyone is always right. that made it the place it is :D |
| 01:37.42 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 01:37.47 | Corrodias | Codayus: and what's the reason it's stupid? it's because it makes it hard to understand, isn't it? |
| 01:37.50 | DARKGuy | I use to name my variables "a" |
| 01:37.51 | Codayus | DARKGuy: Some coding styles are objectively better. |
| 01:37.51 | DARKGuy | :D |
| 01:38.01 | DARKGuy | Codayus: depends on who reads it |
| 01:38.08 | Drundia | the best coding style is no coding at all |
| 01:38.10 | Gnarfoz | "style" and "objectively" don't go well together. |
| 01:38.15 | DARKGuy | yup |
| 01:38.46 | Cide | objective stuff doesn't depend on who's reading it |
| 01:38.47 | Gnarfoz | without opening a dictionary, I'd wager at least one description of "style" includes the word "subjectively" :p |
| 01:38.58 | Codayus | Corrodias: Yes, in part. More to the point, it makes it harder to catch errors, harder to write without errors, etc. |
| 01:38.58 | Cide | objective stuff equals what I think |
| 01:39.02 | Gnarfoz | thanks for explaining what "objective" means. ;) |
| 01:39.11 | DARKGuy | Cide: of course it depends. Everybody has a different meaning on what's objective to them. |
| 01:39.16 | Cide | no |
| 01:39.21 | DARKGuy | No? |
| 01:39.22 | DARKGuy | lol. |
| 01:39.24 | Corrodias | harder to use, that's a good point |
| 01:39.32 | Cide | if it's objective it's by definition independent of people's opinions |
| 01:39.38 | Corrodias | and that may well be applicable to the std namespace. i'm not familiar enough with it to know. |
| 01:39.40 | Gnarfoz | indeed. |
| 01:39.42 | Cide | people can argue all they want about whether or not something IS objective |
| 01:39.44 | Cide | but that's another story |
| 01:39.59 | DARKGuy | Thus, making coding conventions silly. |
| 01:40.04 | laeg | imp poisons > vile poisons for battlegrounds? |
| 01:40.10 | Cide | no |
| 01:40.15 | DARKGuy | And blowing this whole "using namespace std;" argument off |
| 01:40.15 | DARKGuy | :P |
| 01:40.16 | Cide | it doesn't have to be objective to be right or wrong |
| 01:40.23 | Gnarfoz | yes it has to. |
| 01:40.27 | Cide | nope |
| 01:40.28 | Gnarfoz | otherwise it's just an opinion. |
| 01:40.32 | DARKGuy | true |
| 01:40.36 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. it's subjective) |
| 01:40.40 | Cide | yes, I never said it was objectively right or wrong |
| 01:40.44 | Corrodias | now that you mention it, from what i know of C++, it's hard enough to use already that including more would just make it harder to use. including all of std may well be a bad thing. |
| 01:40.50 | DARKGuy | well, right and wrong are two different points of view. |
| 01:40.50 | Cide | but if it's right (or wrong) according to the vast majority, you're going to get shit for it |
| 01:40.52 | Gnarfoz | right or wrong only exist with objective things >_> |
| 01:40.52 | DARKGuy | So, it's subjective :P |
| 01:40.54 | Cide | and you don't want to get shit for it |
| 01:40.59 | Cide | of course it's subjective |
| 01:41.07 | Gnarfoz | obviously, the minority thinks the *other* way is shit |
| 01:41.12 | Cide | but if most people agree, conform or gtfo |
| 01:41.19 | Corrodias | that's it, nobody is to use the words "right" and "wrong" ever again |
| 01:41.27 | Corrodias | we will use agreeable, disagreeable, correct, and incorrect |
| 01:41.38 | DARKGuy | if most people agree, conform or gtfo? that doesn't seem rational to me. |
| 01:41.48 | DARKGuy | I code as I like, if you don't like my code, gtfo. That's better |
| 01:41.49 | DARKGuy | =) |
| 01:41.52 | Cide | I'm not rational, I'm right |
| 01:42.08 | DARKGuy | I'm left. |
| 01:42.18 | Cide | yes you are, left alone when everyone else uses namespaces |
| 01:42.25 | Gnarfoz | I'm tired, and thus going to bed, pfff :p |
| 01:42.31 | DARKGuy | hey I use them, and my code is easy to read :D |
| 01:42.32 | Corrodias | right now refers only to a direction and priveliges that people think they deserve |
| 01:42.34 | Xuerian | Oh lord |
| 01:42.35 | DARKGuy | so who cares ^_^. |
| 01:42.38 | Xuerian | Are coders arguing again? |
| 01:42.41 | DARKGuy | Yeah |
| 01:42.47 | DARKGuy | wanna join the namespace bandwagon :D |
| 01:42.48 | Cide | there's no argument |
| 01:42.48 | Xuerian | CRIPPLEFIGHT |
| 01:42.52 | Drundia | coders and random people* |
| 01:42.53 | Gnarfoz | Xuerian: this is the place to be for that ;> |
| 01:42.58 | Codayus | Arguing over namespcaes is boring. |
| 01:43.00 | Cide | there's "hi, I'm wrong", and me |
| 01:43.04 | Shirik | hey |
| 01:43.08 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 01:43.09 | Shirik | what about me... |
| 01:43.12 | Codayus | We should argue over about tabs or spaces! |
| 01:43.12 | Xuerian | I'm not saying either one is right or wrong |
| 01:43.13 | Corrodias | cide is my new favorite person |
| 01:43.15 | Xuerian | I'm just calling cripplefight |
| 01:43.16 | Cide | you're busy doing shit in karazhan |
| 01:43.19 | Xuerian | I really don't care what the subject is |
| 01:43.20 | Xuerian | lulz |
| 01:43.21 | Drundia | well, you are just |
| 01:43.23 | Drundia | ~failrik |
| 01:43.23 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 01:43.25 | DARKGuy | Cide, your Fisker- imitation is just too fail to even be an imitation :P |
| 01:43.39 | Gnarfoz | an argument is the process of dicussing differing opinions, btw. so even if there's "hi, I'm wrong" and "you", it's still an argument ;p |
| 01:43.44 | Cide | I don't imitate people, people imitate me |
| 01:43.49 | Kirov | Namespaces are the spawn of the unholy devil! Father of the anti-christ! Luckily I'm a satanist. |
| 01:43.55 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 01:44.05 | Codayus | People who use tab characters to indent things in code have better sex than people who use spaces. Discuss. |
| 01:44.11 | Gnarfoz | atheists that way please -----> |
| 01:44.12 | DARKGuy | Um. |
| 01:44.17 | DARKGuy | I use tabs <3 |
| 01:44.29 | DARKGuy | 8-char tabs are the evil though, those have small penises. |
| 01:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | 2 char tabs ftw. |
| 01:44.35 | Cide | I don't use tabs. discussion pointless, the opposite is proven. go home people. |
| 01:44.37 | DARKGuy | 3 ftw |
| 01:44.46 | NightHawkTheSane | 3? 3 is odd.. |
| 01:44.48 | Shirik | My SVN server blocks commits of files with tabs |
| 01:44.48 | Drundia | Gnarfoz, it's exactly where list of people in channel resides. |
| 01:44.49 | Kirov | tabs > spaces |
| 01:44.54 | Cide | Shirik: high-five |
| 01:44.56 | Cide | Kirov: high-five |
| 01:45.07 | Codayus | Personally, I use spaces. I am thus unsurprised you use tabs. |
| 01:45.20 | DARKGuy | I use spaces too, but for some codes, tabs are better. |
| 01:45.23 | Shirik | I've told all my developers to set their IDEs to replace tabs to spaces |
| 01:45.27 | Shirik | and I told them all how to do it |
| 01:45.30 | DARKGuy | I personally use a 3-space tab |
| 01:45.32 | Codayus | I will admit, however, that you aren't objectively wrong this time. |
| 01:45.34 | Shirik | if they can't commit a file, it's their own damn fault |
| 01:45.46 | DARKGuy | But you know what? |
| 01:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | im curious, though, why do (any of) you prefer spaces to tabs? |
| 01:45.59 | Kirov | The reason people seemt ouse spaces instead of tabs is because they like their code only 1 or 2 spaces intented ... which is silly since most editors you can change the display size of tabs. |
| 01:46.02 | Cide | here we go again |
| 01:46.04 | Shirik | Because tabs are inconsistent |
| 01:46.08 | Shirik | that's my reason for it |
| 01:46.09 | Cide | the objective discussion why spaces are better than tabs |
| 01:46.10 | DARKGuy | no, spaces are |
| 01:46.11 | Cide | listen up |
| 01:46.12 | Drundia | tabs are just awesome if you ask me. but i don't care what ide puts there when pressing tab |
| 01:46.19 | Cide | 1) spaces have a well-defined width. |
| 01:46.22 | DARKGuy | yep |
| 01:46.24 | Codayus | Ha! I told you this was a better argument than namespaces. |
| 01:46.24 | Cide | 2) spaces can be used to align code. |
| 01:46.30 | DARKGuy | editors don't care about your size |
| 01:46.31 | Codayus | No one can ever resist it. |
| 01:46.34 | DARKGuy | they just use the spaces, period |
| 01:46.34 | DARKGuy | :D |
| 01:46.48 | DARKGuy | code will look the same in vi, notepad++, wordpad, whatever. |
| 01:46.57 | Cide | 3) editors deal with multiples of "tab size" spaces in the beginning of lines EXACTLY as they deal with tabs |
| 01:47.20 | Cide | 4) if you use a different tab size than the original coder, you're fukt. |
| 01:47.27 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 01:47.29 | Cide | 5) done. |
| 01:47.34 | Cide | discussion over people |
| 01:47.42 | Drundia | 6) but not convinced |
| 01:47.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i honestly don't understand how 2 or 4 differ between spaces/tabs |
| 01:47.46 | Xuerian | Cide is boring. |
| 01:47.49 | Cide | yep |
| 01:47.55 | Cide | but I'm right |
| 01:47.56 | DARKGuy | she is |
| 01:47.57 | DARKGuy | ... or he? |
| 01:48.03 | Cide | if you honestly think I'm a chick |
| 01:48.13 | Cide | you must have met a lot of aggressive chicks |
| 01:48.15 | DARKGuy | I dunno really o_o; |
| 01:48.17 | Drundia | someone already said that everyone is always right on the internetz, so.... |
| 01:48.19 | Shirik | This is what happens when you try to commit a file with a tab character on my server: |
| 01:48.22 | Shirik | Error: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 01:48.23 | Shirik | Error: 'pre-commit' hook failed with error output: |
| 01:48.23 | Shirik | Error: In trunk/sercom/test.cpp:1 |
| 01:48.23 | Shirik | Error: Tab character found. Replace with spaces. |
| 01:48.28 | DARKGuy | eh |
| 01:48.32 | DARKGuy | your server is as fail as you |
| 01:48.39 | Cide | what about "Hi\tthere"? |
| 01:48.46 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 01:48.47 | Xuerian | Tabs have one fatal flaw |
| 01:48.48 | Xuerian | er |
| 01:48.48 | Xuerian | spaces |
| 01:48.50 | Shirik | \t is allowed |
| 01:48.55 | Xuerian | I have to press it more than once |
| 01:48.58 | Cide | what the fuck is a tab, then? :P |
| 01:48.59 | Shirik | like, the character \ followed by t |
| 01:49.03 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:49.06 | DARKGuy | then the whole tab non-commit is pointless |
| 01:49.13 | Cide | Xuerian: ... |
| 01:49.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik, Cide: can you explain how code alignment differs between spaces and tabs? and, how it matters what tab size anyone uses, if you're consistently using tabs for indentation? |
| 01:49.14 | Shirik | I thought you meant like if I had source code std::cout << "Hi\tthere"; |
| 01:49.22 | DARKGuy | *sigh* |
| 01:49.27 | Xuerian | It really is that simple |
| 01:49.28 | DARKGuy | I think I'm gonna keep killing mana wyrms. |
| 01:49.30 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Editors do not agree on tab size |
| 01:49.32 | Xuerian | to remove spaces I have to press backspace a few times |
| 01:49.33 | DARKGuy | btw |
| 01:49.34 | Shirik | All editors agree on space size |
| 01:49.39 | Cide | editors that deal with spaces add multiple spaces according to your tab width |
| 01:49.41 | DARKGuy | Kirov: hey, what aboout your diablo cool balls? :D |
| 01:49.42 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: if you are, it doesn't. he's probably used to stupid people messing their code up with random spaces ;D |
| 01:49.43 | Cide | when you press your tab key |
| 01:49.53 | Xuerian | Note, I said removing |
| 01:49.54 | Xuerian | :) |
| 01:49.54 | DARKGuy | *about |
| 01:49.58 | Cide | same thing there |
| 01:50.00 | Cide | read my arguments |
| 01:50.01 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: how does tab size matter, if all there is is tabs? >_> |
| 01:50.03 | Kirov | DARKGuy - doing some more clean up, then I'm done ... until I think of something else to add |
| 01:50.08 | Cide | <Cide> 3) editors deal with multiples of "tab size" spaces in the beginning of lines EXACTLY as they deal with tabs |
| 01:50.19 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Who said all there is is tabs? |
| 01:50.21 | Cide | tabs have variable width |
| 01:50.23 | DARKGuy | Kirov: ooooh, I plan to use them in my next UI, can you tell when you finish? ^_^ |
| 01:50.24 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: I did. |
| 01:50.28 | Cide | if you have one line containing characters |
| 01:50.33 | Cide | and one line containing only tabs |
| 01:50.34 | DARKGuy | I'm kinda annoyed at all the HUDs around ¬¬; |
| 01:50.43 | Cide | if you attempt to line up text, it only works for the tab size YOU use |
| 01:50.45 | Shirik | One user comes along using tabs, another comes along using spaces, it looks right to him, it looks wrong to me |
| 01:50.48 | Cide | if you use spaces, it always works |
| 01:50.51 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: I also said your inane pre-commit hook probably stems from being around people who are too stupid to keep using either tabs or spaces. |
| 01:50.56 | Codayus | The issue with tabs is, sooner or later, EVERY coder in a C like language tries to make something line up, and using tabs breaks that, sooner or later. |
| 01:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: er, right, but if tabs are consistently used for indentation, then how are they different? |
| 01:51.03 | Cide | Xuerian: so your argument is fail |
| 01:51.05 | Codayus | Usually sooner. |
| 01:51.07 | Shirik | They aren't :P |
| 01:51.11 | Xuerian | Cide: Exactly as it was designed |
| 01:51.19 | Cide | don't argue with fail arguments |
| 01:51.20 | NightHawkTheSane | the only problem I'm seeing is if people are using different coding styles (spaces vs tabs) |
| 01:51.22 | Xuerian | My bg popped, so I no longer need you as entertainment |
| 01:51.23 | Cide | I have work to do |
| 01:51.23 | Corrodias | just as planned |
| 01:51.27 | Xuerian | You've served your purpose |
| 01:51.32 | Cide | I always serve my purpose |
| 01:51.33 | NightHawkTheSane | but that's not a matter of tabs vs spaces, that's a matter of coding style |
| 01:51.35 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Let's assume for a purpose other than indentation then |
| 01:51.39 | Codayus | And the entire point of tabs is that they won't be consistently used. That's the main selling point: "hey, I can set my tab width to 3, isn't that cool?" |
| 01:51.41 | Shirik | How about lining up comments |
| 01:51.57 | Shirik | how many spaces does it take to get from the end of a line to the column to the right where you're putting comments? |
| 01:51.58 | Corrodias | Codayus: but then all the tabs are size 3. they all look the same. it still works. :o |
| 01:52.07 | Cide | failfailfail |
| 01:52.10 | Cide | failfailfailfailfail |
| 01:52.27 | Corrodias | i'm just kidding, i don't care about this; i'm just poking to see if something blows up |
| 01:52.29 | Shirik | Anyway, Cide, I misunderstood what you're saying |
| 01:52.42 | Shirik | I thought you meant the block of code std::cout << "Hi\there", that's allowed |
| 01:52.51 | Cide | I mean \t in a string |
| 01:52.53 | Cide | not in the code |
| 01:52.54 | Shirik | putting a tab in the middle of a line, though, is forbidden |
| 01:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: maybe I'm just not seeing it the same way you are. *shrug* |
| 01:53.06 | Shirik | you can't have a single tab character anywhere, period |
| 01:53.10 | Codayus | Corrodias: Nope. Because you wanted to line usomething up, so you used 2 tabs (set width 4) and 2 spaces for 10 spaces total, so it lined up with the 10th character of the line above... |
| 01:53.21 | Shirik | I literally just do io.lines() and line:match("\t") |
| 01:53.22 | Corrodias | why did you mix in spaces? |
| 01:53.28 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: you simply don't do that, ever. |
| 01:53.34 | Codayus | People do that. Always. :-( |
| 01:53.38 | NightHawkTheSane | my problem with spaces, is that people have idiotic indentation sizees (4+ spaces), and i like small ones, (2 spaces), so there's style issues there. |
| 01:53.45 | Corrodias | silly people they are |
| 01:53.52 | Codayus | As I said, sooner or later, people try to line something up. :-( |
| 01:53.55 | Shirik | The character \ followed by the character t is permitted, though, because this is part of the protocol in my system |
| 01:54.00 | Gnarfoz | what do you want to align other than at what point the line begins? |
| 01:54.01 | Shirik | tab is used as a delimiter |
| 01:54.20 | Corrodias | solution: get an IDE that lets you specify your preferred format and lets you reformat an entire document automatically |
| 01:54.26 | Corrodias | yay, then it doesn't matter what other people use |
| 01:54.32 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Use however many spaces you want |
| 01:54.33 | DARKGuy | Awesome. |
| 01:54.35 | Shirik | The coolest part of this is |
| 01:54.40 | Cide | http://pastey.net/92527 |
| 01:54.41 | Gnarfoz | my editor would do that if I told it to :> |
| 01:54.42 | Cide | watch |
| 01:54.44 | Cide | learn |
| 01:54.48 | Shirik | if you use spaces, not matter how many spaces you use, it will line up for everyone! |
| 01:54.51 | Cide | why tabs are FIAL |
| 01:54.52 | Cide | FAIL |
| 01:55.01 | Codayus | Cide is correct. |
| 01:55.11 | Corrodias | oooooh |
| 01:55.12 | DARKGuy | Cide: that's why I use spaces |
| 01:55.13 | DARKGuy | =) |
| 01:55.23 | Cide | same code, fyi |
| 01:55.28 | DARKGuy | Actually |
| 01:55.31 | DARKGuy | you can counter that. |
| 01:55.33 | Corrodias | a tab after a string of code a certain witdh |
| 01:55.40 | DARKGuy | Move the two comments a tab more. |
| 01:55.41 | DARKGuy | problem solved :P |
| 01:55.46 | Cide | nope |
| 01:55.47 | Corrodias | i get it, like how notepad and wordpad default to different tab sizes and it drives me crazy |
| 01:55.48 | Gnarfoz | DARKGuy: exactly. |
| 01:55.50 | Industrial | tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment |
| 01:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: er, okay, so it lines up for everyone, except I write a function using 2 space indentation, someone else writes a function in the same file with 6 space indentation, and while each individual function lines up fine, it looks ugly, and (for me personally) the latter is hard as hell to actually read. |
| 01:55.53 | Industrial | tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment |
| 01:55.56 | Industrial | make it a mantra, people |
| 01:55.59 | Shirik | no DARKGuy, that doesn't solve it |
| 01:56.04 | Cide | Industrial: but dealing with both is a fucking chore |
| 01:56.07 | Shirik | because the problem lies in how many columns make up a tabstop |
| 01:56.08 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: don't fucking align stuff to begin with, it's gonna fail. :p |
| 01:56.15 | Industrial | not with a good editor, e.g. vim |
| 01:56.16 | DARKGuy | Shirik: well that's right |
| 01:56.16 | Cide | multiples of tabstop spaces for indentation, spaces fora lignment |
| 01:56.20 | Cide | make it a mantra, people |
| 01:56.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: so unless you're talking about some editor setting, the problem still exists |
| 01:56.22 | Corrodias | align your bottom with my foot |
| 01:56.47 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: At least the code isn't all over the place, it's aligned per logical block |
| 01:56.53 | Industrial | Cide: I can fix that tho, gg=G and everything is back the way I want :P |
| 01:56.59 | Gnarfoz | against-tab-people: l2use your editors ;p |
| 01:57.03 | Industrial | ^ |
| 01:57.05 | Cide | ... |
| 01:57.07 | Cide | retard |
| 01:57.14 | Cide | see |
| 01:57.15 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: That argument is only valid if everyone is using the same editor |
| 01:57.17 | DARKGuy | Meh |
| 01:57.17 | Gnarfoz | I'm not an r-tard :p |
| 01:57.22 | Cide | people who use spaces have learned to use their editors |
| 01:57.24 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.jpg |
| 01:57.24 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: and they'd better! |
| 01:57.26 | Industrial | Shirik: if everyone uses a respectable editor* |
| 01:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: but, if tabs are consistently used for indenation, you get the same exact result, but i can have all my code appear to be 2-space indented, and someone else can have it different |
| 01:57.27 | Corrodias | oh my god, nobody ever mention coding in here again |
| 01:57.29 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.zip |
| 01:57.38 | Cide | it's the people who bitch at spaces being a bitch that don't use their editors |
| 01:57.47 | DARKGuy | I personally don't care if my code uses spaces or tabs, I just write it so it looks good, either using spaces or tabs, if it looks good, then I don't care about anything else, period. |
| 01:57.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i understand the alignment issues, but specifically for indentation, i still dont see spaces as better |
| 01:57.52 | Industrial | i do, cide, and its one keystroke |
| 01:57.53 | Cide | Kirov: nice |
| 01:57.55 | Industrial | and back to tabs |
| 01:57.56 | Industrial | :P |
| 01:57.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: If tabs are consistently used for indentation, you cannot align the code Cide posted properly |
| 01:57.58 | Codayus | Cide is even more correct than he was before. |
| 01:58.06 | DARKGuy | Kirov: awesome :D |
| 01:58.06 | Shirik | for indentation, I'll agree with you it doesn't have much of an argument |
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| 01:58.08 | Industrial | what code? |
| 01:58.09 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: just like you're forcing people to use spaces, you could as well force them to use an editor and write their configs for them, but obviously you yourself fail at that - otherwise you wouldn't have come up with the "solution" to forbid tabs. :p |
| 01:58.11 | Shirik | IF you're consistent |
| 01:58.13 | Cide | http://pastey.net/92527 |
| 01:58.18 | Cide | see |
| 01:58.19 | Cide | watch |
| 01:58.21 | Cide | learn |
| 01:58.22 | Cide | stfu |
| 01:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: let me look at that then, i like examples. |
| 01:58.42 | Industrial | yes you can if you use spaces for alignment |
| 01:58.42 | Corrodias | but Cide, the comments are not off by a fully tab (3 spaces) |
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| 01:58.51 | Cide | what? |
| 01:58.57 | Industrial | it will not use tabs on that second line but instead use as many tabs as the line above was indented |
| 01:59.01 | Industrial | and use spaces from there |
| 01:59.01 | Shirik | Corrodias: They're off by a multiple of 4 |
| 01:59.10 | Industrial | at least thats what my editor does |
| 01:59.10 | Shirik | the problem is that 4 is not divisible by 3 |
| 01:59.13 | Industrial | i will show you. |
| 01:59.15 | Cide | Industrial: but then you have a LOT OF BACKSPACING TO DO |
| 01:59.15 | Corrodias | maybe it's my font, but they appear to be set off by 1 only |
| 01:59.22 | Shirik | And you can't deny that 4 is not divisible by 3 |
| 01:59.22 | Corrodias | which means tabs were not involved |
| 01:59.23 | Cide | they ARE set off by 1 only |
| 01:59.29 | Cide | they were involved |
| 01:59.38 | Corrodias | a tab stop isn't a number of spaces, is it? isn't it a distance? |
| 01:59.48 | Shirik | It's a multiple of spaces |
| 01:59.51 | Corrodias | oh |
| 01:59.55 | Shirik | every 4th column, for example |
| 01:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: AHH. Okay, I get it. I don't typically comment after a line of code like that, so I've really never run into that issue. |
| 02:00.03 | Shirik | I see NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:00.03 | Corrodias | never mind, then. i thought these tabs were the same tabs as they use in document editing programs |
| 02:00.06 | Corrodias | i've never really used tabs in code |
| 02:00.14 | Cide | ok |
| 02:00.15 | NightHawkTheSane | But yeah, if you're commenting like that often, then it makes perfect sense to me. |
| 02:00.23 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane has seen the light |
| 02:00.26 | Cide | now over to Industrial |
| 02:00.27 | Shirik | I use both styles |
| 02:00.34 | Shirik | depending on exactly what I'm doing |
| 02:00.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: I still prefer tabs, but I understand your position :) |
| 02:00.36 | Corrodias | so when you say "tab" you actually mean "set number of spaces" |
| 02:00.44 | Cide | and now you understand why spaces are superior in every way |
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| 02:00.56 | Cide | but it's still ok to use tabs, for my editor converts it to spaces seamlessly |
| 02:00.58 | NightHawkTheSane | not strictly so, but in some cases. :) |
| 02:00.58 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/92528 |
| 02:01.02 | Industrial | Cide: ^ |
| 02:01.07 | Cide | and then |
| 02:01.14 | Cide | you want to remove some indentation of the second line |
| 02:01.23 | Industrial | you dont, it wont be indented right |
| 02:01.27 | Cide | and you do BACKSPACE BACKSPACE BACKSPACE BACKSPACE BACKSPACE ("BACKSPACE"):rep(30) |
| 02:01.35 | Industrial | no, I home del |
| 02:01.39 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Actual sample of my code that would only align properly with spaces: http://pastey.net/92529 |
| 02:01.47 | Cide | if you want to remove 2 tab widths? |
| 02:01.50 | Cide | I commonly do that |
| 02:01.51 | Industrial | im not working with notepad here |
| 02:01.53 | Cide | with a spaces editor |
| 02:01.54 | Industrial | i do 2< |
| 02:01.58 | Industrial | and it will unindent twice |
| 02:01.59 | DARKGuy | Kirov: holy sweetness |
| 02:02.03 | Corrodias | Cide: your example is still flawed :o |
| 02:02.06 | DARKGuy | Now it just needs an Ace3 config |
| 02:02.07 | Industrial | im working with vim here. |
| 02:02.07 | Cide | no it isn't |
| 02:02.10 | DARKGuy | <33333333 |
| 02:02.15 | Cide | Industrial: 2 tab widths of spaces, from the right |
| 02:02.17 | Cide | not unindent twice |
| 02:02.21 | Corrodias | the second comment in the 4-space example is indented by 7 tabs, and in the second example it's indented by 9 tabs |
| 02:02.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: Yeah, I definitely see the value given that style. |
| 02:02.34 | Industrial | Cide: sorry I dont understand that |
| 02:02.39 | Industrial | what do you want to do? |
| 02:02.44 | Cide | what's your tab width? |
| 02:02.48 | Industrial | 2 |
| 02:02.54 | Cide | you want to remove 4 of the spaces |
| 02:03.05 | Industrial | where, at the beginning or the end |
| 02:03.07 | Cide | end |
| 02:03.18 | Industrial | 4x |
| 02:03.29 | Cide | what's that do? |
| 02:03.35 | Cide | backspace x4? |
| 02:03.38 | Industrial | x deletes the caracter under the cursor, 4x does it 4 times |
| 02:03.41 | Cide | ok |
| 02:03.46 | Cide | so you use a macro to hit backspace 4 times |
| 02:04.06 | Shirik | My editor properly allows me to do shift-tab to backspace like a tab |
| 02:04.07 | Cide | with spaces, you'd hit backspace twice |
| 02:04.20 | Cide | because since it's a multiple of spaces, it works like a tab |
| 02:04.20 | Shirik | And if I had just hit tab, a backspace will undo the 4 spaces it added |
| 02:04.29 | Industrial | im using both spaces and tabs in my example |
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| 02:04.47 | Cide | if you're not at a multiple of tab widths, you hit backspace until you get to a multiple of tab widths, and then you get it working like tabs |
| 02:04.51 | Industrial | no, spaces work like spaces and tabs like tabs. if i'd use backsapce in insert mode then yes i'd have to backspace 4 times |
| 02:05.16 | Cide | Corrodias: right, I just made the example up |
| 02:05.22 | Cide | you're right in that it would be even more flawed in practice |
| 02:05.30 | Industrial | however, 4hx will move left and delete a char 4 times |
| 02:05.48 | Industrial | in vim |
| 02:06.27 | Industrial | Cide: So I can properly handle tabs and spaces, fast. |
| 02:06.30 | Industrial | ;P |
| 02:06.34 | Cide | ya, but that uses macros |
| 02:06.48 | Cide | most editors don't have that, but sure, it's pretty easy in vim |
| 02:06.54 | Industrial | well thats how vim works. in normal mode all letters are functions. |
| 02:06.56 | Shirik | my developers got pissed at me the first day I denied commits for having tabs in them |
| 02:07.07 | Industrial | i would |
| 02:07.08 | Shirik | A week later, most of them came to me saying "thank you so much, it looks so much better now!" |
| 02:07.16 | Cide | for mere mortals, having only spaces is so much better |
| 02:07.34 | |pez| | So.. space indenting is better than tabs? |
| 02:07.38 | Industrial | I do hate it when people use tabs to align tho |
| 02:07.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:07.41 | Industrial | no its not |
| 02:07.53 | Shirik | unless you're a god of vim or emacs |
| 02:07.54 | Cide | yes |
| 02:08.00 | Kirov | DARKGuy - I'm kinda' unhappy with the animation still, I may redo it at some point to be smoother / slower |
| 02:08.03 | Industrial | tabs allow everyone to configure their editor and view their code how they want |
| 02:08.10 | Cide | who the fuck cares |
| 02:08.12 | Cide | make a standard |
| 02:08.17 | Kirov | Tem - ping |
| 02:08.21 | Industrial | I do, no ill do it how I like. |
| 02:08.23 | Cide | python has a tab standard |
| 02:08.28 | Shirik | tabs allow everyone to configure their editor their way, thus making sure their code looks right and everyone else's looks wrong :P |
| 02:08.28 | Cide | 4 spaces = tab |
| 02:08.45 | Tem | Kirov, pong |
| 02:08.52 | Industrial | Shirik: together making sure everyone has it looking right |
| 02:09.02 | Kirov | Tem - http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.zip - further clean up |
| 02:09.02 | Industrial | i want it at 2, you at 4 |
| 02:09.02 | Industrial | no problem |
| 02:09.07 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.jpg |
| 02:09.08 | Industrial | same charaters in the file. |
| 02:09.09 | Cide | honestly though |
| 02:09.18 | Cide | I've never had an issue with different tab widths |
| 02:09.21 | Cide | takes like 2 seconds to readjust |
| 02:09.27 | Shirik | screw that |
| 02:09.39 | Shirik | When I'm doing code reviews I don't want to have to change every line to get it to work |
| 02:09.48 | Industrial | haha, do it automatically? |
| 02:09.50 | Industrial | regex replace? |
| 02:09.55 | Shirik | that would work |
| 02:10.02 | Shirik | if everyone used teh same tab width |
| 02:10.05 | DARKGuy | Kirov: Hm, I think it's alright, but yeah if you want to ^_^; |
| 02:10.06 | Shirik | but they don't |
| 02:10.10 | Tem | Kirov, woot :) |
| 02:10.12 | Shirik | so one block of code needs tabs replaced with 3 spaces |
| 02:10.18 | Shirik | one block of code needs it replaced with 4 |
| 02:10.28 | Industrial | well my editor knows the syntax of .. most languages and it can indent them itself |
| 02:10.39 | Shirik | one block of code needs it replace with 7 on lines 3,4, and 8 and the other lines replaced with 2.717 |
| 02:10.54 | Industrial | gg=G and everything is reindented as described int eh language file, so that would be 4 spaces for python. |
| 02:10.58 | Shirik | Industrial: I'm not just talking indenting |
| 02:11.05 | Shirik | what about columnar comments? |
| 02:11.18 | Industrial | dont put them after code |
| 02:11.19 | Shirik | I don't want to have to read a zig zag while reading comments |
| 02:11.23 | Industrial | put them above. |
| 02:11.26 | Cide | oh |
| 02:11.31 | Cide | so now we have to change our style |
| 02:11.32 | Shirik | Great idea for assembly code there :P |
| 02:11.42 | Cide | for tabs to be good |
| 02:11.44 | Cide | great success! |
| 02:11.49 | Industrial | nah, that indenting cide |
| 02:11.52 | Industrial | that's* |
| 02:12.02 | Industrial | in my example, from the .'s on |
| 02:12.06 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/92528 |
| 02:12.43 | Industrial | er, that's aligning cide* |
| 02:13.38 | Shirik | If you're going to replace half of your tabs with spaces, why not make all of them replaced by spaces... |
| 02:13.53 | Industrial | I'd not have that comment there at all |
| 02:14.07 | Shirik | Also, what happens when aligning code segments that are not in the same scope? |
| 02:14.13 | Shirik | They'll be indented differently |
| 02:14.28 | Shirik | do you add a tab to resolve it, or do you use spaces because it's after a printable character? |
| 02:14.30 | Industrial | er? gimme an example of broken code :P |
| 02:15.39 | Industrial | for the record I prefer not aligning things at all |
| 02:16.26 | Industrial | e.g. not putting stuff in the middle of a line, but rather at the current indentation level on a line above or below |
| 02:16.43 | Industrial | that way I dont have to use spaces at all. |
| 02:17.43 | Shirik | You know what |
| 02:17.46 | Shirik | I need to add another pre-commit hook |
| 02:17.51 | Shirik | block "use namespace std;" from code |
| 02:17.57 | Shirik | <3 Lua, that'll take me 2 seconds to add |
| 02:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 02:18.30 | Shirik | I wrote my pre-commit hook in Lua so all I have to do is modify a table to add a new rule :) |
| 02:18.53 | Industrial | Shirik: gimme an example then :p |
| 02:19.05 | Shirik | too hard :P |
| 02:19.10 | Industrial | I win \o/ |
| 02:19.11 | Tem | Kirov, your next project is to improve the surface animation <3 |
| 02:19.18 | DARKGuy | nah |
| 02:19.20 | DARKGuy | I <3 it as it is |
| 02:19.27 | DARKGuy | it needs a config so you can move the balls |
| 02:19.28 | Kirov | Tem - that's what I was just telling DARKGuy |
| 02:19.37 | Tem | oh lol |
| 02:19.40 | DARKGuy | ohh |
| 02:19.41 | |pez| | .... riiight - http://members.aol.com/mlm300/images/cat%20on%20dog.jpg |
| 02:19.56 | Kirov | DARKGuy - you can configure it! open text editor, edit 2 lines of code, done! |
| 02:19.57 | DARKGuy | lol |pez| |
| 02:20.03 | DARKGuy | Kirov: XD |
| 02:20.10 | DARKGuy | Kirov: I'd rather do the GUI for you :P |
| 02:20.28 | Kirov | DARKGuy - if you want to make it Ace3 as well, go ahead |
| 02:20.33 | DARKGuy | Yay |
| 02:20.45 | DARKGuy | but you gotta finish it first >:D |
| 02:20.52 | Kirov | There's a shit ton of optimizations that could be done to the animation code too. |
| 02:20.55 | Kirov | It's pretty ugly |
| 02:21.13 | Kirov | (yay antonyms!) |
| 02:21.21 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 02:21.25 | |pez| | this one is still awesome though - http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-cat-steals-dog-bed.jpg |
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| 02:22.01 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 02:22.17 | Shirik | woot |
| 02:22.20 | Shirik | Error: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 02:22.20 | Shirik | Error: 'pre-commit' hook failed with error output: |
| 02:22.20 | Shirik | Error: In trunk/sercom/test.cpp:1 |
| 02:22.20 | Shirik | Error: `using namespace std;' is forbidden code |
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| 02:23.54 | Cide | haha |
| 02:23.56 | Cide | awesome |
| 02:24.42 | p3lim | what libs would I need to make the following two lines to work? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92531 |
| 02:24.51 | p3lim | (yes, name and options are defined) |
| 02:25.03 | Shirik | LibStub, AceConfig |
| 02:25.18 | p3lim | Just those two? |
| 02:25.25 | Shirik | I don't know anythinga bout Ace |
| 02:25.30 | Shirik | is AceConfigDialog a separate library? |
| 02:25.35 | p3lim | no |
| 02:25.39 | Shirik | then I think so |
| 02:26.26 | p3lim | anyone experienced with Ace3 or anything like this that could confirm? |
| 02:26.56 | p3lim | (just cleaning up my addons, would like to know what aint needed and what is) |
| 02:27.16 | p3lim | just seems idiotic to have whole Ace3 for those two lines |
| 02:27.53 | Shirik | [2] <Crissfalls>: So you're like an orc or some shit, right? And you're crusin' around on your chicken mount and thinkin' ... how could I get anymore badass? Well put some nitro on that b**** with [Leatherworking: Riding Crop] free with your mats |
| 02:27.59 | Sixen | ~seen duman |
| 02:28.01 | purl | duman is currently on #wowuidev (6d 7h 14m 57s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 4h 16m 13s, last said: 'hmm'. |
| 02:28.10 | Sixen | QQ |
| 02:28.19 | Kirov | Tem - btw, I fixed it so you can do SetFrameStrata and SetFrameLevel on the parent frame and it just "works" |
| 02:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: check on beta |
| 02:28.37 | Sixen | ? |
| 02:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | For Duman |
| 02:28.46 | Shirik | sylvanaar: ping |
| 02:28.59 | Sixen | Oh, for Duman? |
| 02:29.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 02:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 02:29.15 | Kirov | Tem - It also, for the most part, stays visually stable when using :SetAlpha or :SetColor() w/ alpha |
| 02:29.21 | Sixen | He was looking for me the other day and I keep missing him =/ |
| 02:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | he might be hordeside |
| 02:30.29 | Kirov | That one was particularly weird since each frame is now 9 layers of textures |
| 02:30.33 | p3lim | ait found out, needs AceConfig-3.0, AceGUI-3.0, LibStub and CallbackHandler-1.0 |
| 02:39.17 | p3lim | anyone here that has made a LoD options addon before? |
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| 02:44.59 | sylvanaar | Shirik pong |
| 02:45.06 | Shirik | I broked prat :( |
| 02:45.13 | sylvanaar | no way |
| 02:45.25 | Shirik | I accidentally dragged the window that pops up when you do "/prat copychat copy" off the screen |
| 02:45.27 | Shirik | how can I get it back? |
| 02:45.35 | Shirik | please don't tell me delete WTF >< |
| 02:46.00 | |Jelly| | [21:45]<Shirik>please don't tell me /*delete WTF*/ >< |
| 02:46.05 | cog|away | !api SetUserPlaced |
| 02:46.06 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'SetUserPlaced'. |
| 02:46.14 | sylvanaar | no, because prat always centers it i think |
| 02:46.19 | Cairenn | go into the file and change the loc? |
| 02:46.27 | Shirik | well every time I do /prat copychat copy I don't see it appear |
| 02:46.32 | Shirik | though I see a little flicker in the chat window |
| 02:47.43 | cog|away | Shirik: frame:SetUserPlaced(nil) ReloadUI() |
| 02:47.45 | cog|away | imo |
| 02:47.53 | sylvanaar | PratCCFrame |
| 02:47.54 | Shirik | would work if I knew the frame name :P |
| 02:47.56 | Shirik | thanks |
| 02:48.20 | cog|away | or open up layout-cache.txt |
| 02:48.23 | Shirik | hrm |
| 02:48.38 | Shirik | but I can't type that without closing the frame, heh |
| 02:48.45 | Kirov | People need to set Frame:SetClampedToScreen() |
| 02:48.48 | Shirik | PratCCFrame:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER", 0, 0)? |
| 02:48.51 | sylvanaar | PratCCFrame:ClearAllPoints() |
| 02:49.01 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:49.11 | sylvanaar | im guessing |
| 02:49.39 | Shirik | whee, all fixed |
| 02:49.47 | Shirik | thanks |
| 02:50.27 | Shirik | I really just didn't know the frame name |
| 02:50.29 | Shirik | that was the big one |
| 02:50.34 | Shirik | and prat is kinda huge >.> |
| 02:51.35 | cog|away | Shirik: l2devtools |
| 02:51.44 | Shirik | what's devtools gonna do if I can't see it? |
| 02:52.01 | cog|away | erm ... l2enumerate? |
| 02:52.02 | cog|away | <.< |
| 02:52.03 | cog|away | >.> |
| 02:52.16 | Cide | lua> 43/150 |
| 02:52.16 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.28666666666667 |
| 02:52.41 | cog|away | ~fail me |
| 02:52.41 | purl | cog|away: FAIL! |
| 02:54.07 | Cide | lua> 46/150 |
| 02:54.07 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.30666666666667 |
| 02:54.31 | Shirik | lua> 45/150 |
| 02:54.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.3 |
| 02:54.33 | Shirik | I win |
| 02:55.42 | Cide | ya |
| 02:55.54 | Cide | I was just checking if the current health was <=30% |
| 02:55.55 | Shirik | Sign that it's time for spring cleaning: When you have to spend a full two minutes figuring out where you're going to put the coke can on your desk because the rest of the space is already taken up by other coke cans |
| 02:56.07 | Amarande | Hah |
| 02:56.13 | Amarande | I know that feeling sometimes |
| 02:56.30 | Cide | no shit |
| 02:57.01 | p3lim | got like 20 bottles of water on my desk :p |
| 02:57.06 | p3lim | (empty ones ofcourse) |
| 02:57.44 | Shirik | !g .GLOBALS |
| 02:57.45 | batbot | Shirik: Globals Inc-Offshore Development,It Consultancy,Software ... <http://www.globalsinc.com/> |
| 02:57.47 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:57.51 | Shirik | !g ".GLOBALS" |
| 02:57.51 | batbot | Shirik: no results |
| 02:57.55 | Shirik | oh you fail so much |
| 02:58.09 | p3lim | offshore? |
| 02:58.16 | Shirik | !g __attribute__ GLOBAL |
| 02:58.17 | batbot | Shirik: __attribute__ ((destructor)) functions vs static global variables <http://lists.apple.com/archives/xcode-users/2005/Aug/msg00133.html> |
| 02:58.19 | batrick | soundsl ike shirik fails |
| 02:58.27 | Shirik | oh I hate you so much right now |
| 02:58.34 | batrick | ??? =( |
| 02:58.38 | p3lim | going on a holiday Shirik? |
| 02:58.49 | Shirik | I can't remember this syntax |
| 02:58.59 | Shirik | it's like __attribute__(section(".GLOBALS")) |
| 02:59.18 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.19 | p3lim | :p |
| 02:59.48 | Gnarfoz | <Kirov> People need to set Frame:SetClampedToScreen() <-- if that only worked differently than how it does... like, prevent a frame from being pushed "out of reach" rather than preventing any part of it to be pushed off screen. the way it is now, you can't really use it for large frames :< |
| 03:00.05 | Shirik | here it is |
| 03:00.06 | Shirik | int nProcesses __attribute__((section(".GLOBALS")) = 0; |
| 03:02.25 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: as in let it be pushed but force the center of the frame to stay in the screen? indeed |
| 03:02.53 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: that or some variation of it, yeah |
| 03:03.09 | Gnarfoz | like, the cowtip line editor frame has that set? |
| 03:03.20 | Gnarfoz | it's idiotic, even at 1680x1050 that takes up 3/4 of my screen xD |
| 03:03.59 | haste | like you can do with :SetClampRectInsets() ? |
| 03:04.02 | ckknight | ...mybad. |
| 03:04.13 | ckknight | haste: that exists? |
| 03:04.18 | haste | yes |
| 03:04.22 | ckknight | people should tell me these things :-P |
| 03:04.28 | haste | nah D: |
| 03:04.32 | ckknight | shiny |
| 03:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | then what would we complain about? |
| 03:04.45 | ckknight | the gubmint? |
| 03:04.54 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yes, but we do that anyway |
| 03:05.03 | Shirik | grrrrr I gave all my developers my books and now I have no access to them! |
| 03:05.46 | Gnarfoz | haste: that exists? ;p (I guess someone already asked that a minute ago. ;p) |
| 03:06.08 | haste | investigate more! |
| 03:06.56 | DARKGuy | Well addons are fun sometimes |
| 03:07.01 | p3lim | o lol its even on WoWWiki |
| 03:07.02 | DARKGuy | I downloaded one that skipped gossip frames and such |
| 03:07.10 | DARKGuy | and now I can't click a quest on a flight master |
| 03:07.16 | Gnarfoz | I probably had, if I'd written it. Or if it was annoying but solveable by "moving it over" |
| 03:07.16 | DARKGuy | because it automatically goes to the flight map |
| 03:07.16 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 03:07.18 | p3lim | lol |
| 03:07.26 | malreth | mazzlefizz causing more drama? gasp... |
| 03:07.29 | malreth | ~gasp |
| 03:07.38 | Gnarfoz | drama you say? |
| 03:07.41 | p3lim | DARKGuy: thats why you have ways to avoid the skip (holding shift, alt or something) |
| 03:07.47 | Gnarfoz | do offer links for boring times! :> |
| 03:08.08 | malreth | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14385.0;topicseen |
| 03:08.57 | Gnarfoz | *opens, shuts down firefox and goes to take a nap* ;> |
| 03:09.10 | p3lim | how can I force an addon to LoD when interface options frame is shown? |
| 03:09.53 | p3lim | i can think of one (hooking interfaceoptions' show script) but im not sure if there is some other (maybe more proper) way to do it |
| 03:12.29 | DARKGuy | silly article. |
| 03:13.54 | DARKGuy | p3lim: do you? I didn't know you could shift/alt click an NPC to avoid gossip |
| 03:14.18 | p3lim | if the addon doesnt have it, it should get it |
| 03:14.26 | p3lim | nono |
| 03:14.29 | p3lim | you got me all wrong |
| 03:14.47 | p3lim | automaticly skip, hold shift(or something) to avoid the auto-skip |
| 03:14.51 | p3lim | should be in the addon |
| 03:14.54 | DARKGuy | oh |
| 03:14.59 | DARKGuy | I tried but it didn't do anything :p |
| 03:15.07 | p3lim | well, implement it :p |
| 03:15.15 | p3lim | (whine on the author to do that) |
| 03:15.27 | DARKGuy | good idea :P |
| 03:15.35 | p3lim | ive got no idea what addon you are using anyways |
| 03:15.46 | DARKGuy | GetOffGetGoing :p |
| 03:15.54 | p3lim | never heard of it |
| 03:16.16 | DARKGuy | it's on WAU. Suppossedly it dismounts you on flightmasters and skips any gossip frame |
| 03:17.28 | p3lim | DARKGuy: FYI, GetOffGetGoing has that very option |
| 03:17.37 | p3lim | try clicking your guy while holding ctrl |
| 03:17.39 | DARKGuy | p3lim: where o.O |
| 03:17.41 | DARKGuy | ohh control |
| 03:17.55 | Seerah | DARKGuy: That addon hasn't been touched in 11 months, and that functionality is already in the default UI |
| 03:18.11 | p3lim | atleast it says so on the docs of the addon |
| 03:18.14 | DARKGuy | Seerah: it's on the options? where o.O |
| 03:18.20 | p3lim | Seerah: it is? |
| 03:18.27 | Seerah | Yes. |
| 03:18.31 | p3lim | wtb secrets! |
| 03:18.51 | Seerah | you get dismounted at a flightmaster and there is no gossip pane as of the last few patches |
| 03:18.52 | DARKGuy | yeah, wtb o.o |
| 03:19.10 | p3lim | well there is some still |
| 03:19.12 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 03:19.23 | Seerah | where? |
| 03:19.28 | p3lim | especially quest npcs |
| 03:19.35 | p3lim | with gossip dialogs |
| 03:19.39 | DARKGuy | yeah D: |
| 03:19.50 | Seerah | if they have more than 1 choice or something important for you to know, there is still gossip |
| 03:20.17 | p3lim | thats why i said those kinda addons should have a safe-button |
| 03:20.21 | p3lim | like shift or something |
| 03:20.24 | Seerah | they do |
| 03:20.33 | p3lim | GetOffGetGoing has ctrl, yeah |
| 03:20.40 | Seerah | (I came in at the end of your conversation) |
| 03:20.40 | p3lim | but is that addon even working properly? |
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| 03:21.21 | p3lim | wtb LoD addon guide! |
| 03:21.21 | p3lim | :/ |
| 03:22.11 | Seerah | Automaton and GetToThePoint should be updated and work properly |
| 03:25.30 | DARKGuy | p3lim: it is :p |
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| 03:28.22 | haste | why would you need a guide for LoD? |
| 03:28.38 | tuxeh | Hiya. Does any of you know which event is fired when a tapped mob is killed by a player? I've checked the event list, but I can't seem to find it |
| 03:30.37 | malreth | not explicitly, tuxeh |
| 03:30.46 | malreth | you get an event when combat ends |
| 03:30.54 | malreth | or when you earn xp |
| 03:31.05 | malreth | there's a combat log entry |
| 03:31.19 | malreth | that's probably your best bet, i believe |
| 03:31.39 | tuxeh | Ah alright, thanks :) |
| 03:32.36 | p3lim | what is the toggle function for GameMenuFrame? |
| 03:33.44 | haste | a wild guess would be ToggleGameMenu() |
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| 04:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, <GrandTheftKodo> kinda amusing. |
| 04:04.08 | Shirik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Y4NTXT96EM |
| 04:04.17 | Shirik | If I were a girl, I'd be falling for him right now |
| 04:07.46 | p3lim | can it get any worse than this?: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92534 |
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| 04:09.22 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, wait...you're not? |
| 04:09.29 | Shirik | :< |
| 04:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | not what, a girl, or falling for him? :P |
| 04:09.45 | Thunder_Child | a girl |
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| 04:10.20 | Thunder_Child | but i should have known since women dont exist on the internets |
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| 04:18.28 | AnduinLothar | http://store.xkcd.com/ should i get sudo or regex? |
| 04:19.24 | Gnarfoz | either, both, or all of what he's offering (choose in accordance to your budget) ;p |
| 04:19.56 | AnduinLothar | was already planning on preordering the cheat sheet, it's epic |
| 04:20.41 | AnduinLothar | the <3 one is tempting but it's all math |
| 04:20.55 | AnduinLothar | needs less math and more awesome |
| 04:21.53 | Gnarfoz | I don't even understand any of it (if it were used in an actual equation) |
| 04:22.13 | AnduinLothar | what the equations?> |
| 04:22.34 | AnduinLothar | or the <3 |
| 04:22.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I don't think I've seen any of them in my school years of math |
| 04:22.41 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:22.43 | Gnarfoz | the <3 part is easy ;p |
| 04:22.43 | AnduinLothar | wut? |
| 04:22.52 | AnduinLothar | never seena square root? |
| 04:22.53 | Gnarfoz | <- not from US or english speaking country ;) |
| 04:23.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah I know math should be universal etc |
| 04:23.27 | Gnarfoz | but I'm guessing part of that isn't - or - above what would probably translate to upper end high school level |
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| 04:23.42 | Gnarfoz | (also, I do, and I have proof, suck at math. ;p) |
| 04:24.25 | AnduinLothar | square root, cosine, derivative, matrix multiplication, and uh... the lagrange theorem? |
| 04:25.01 | Gnarfoz | (I should probably look at it, I was saying all that from memory from back when he posted the original comic, I was assuming the 'content' of the shirt graphic) |
| 04:25.07 | AnduinLothar | square root is like 4th grade |
| 04:25.22 | AnduinLothar | cosine is trig from like 10th |
| 04:25.26 | Gnarfoz | powers aren't even 4th grade xD |
| 04:25.29 | Gnarfoz | anyway |
| 04:25.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I was misremembering it |
| 04:25.42 | Shirik | hey |
| 04:25.46 | Shirik | I took trig in 8th grade... |
| 04:25.56 | Gnarfoz | we don't *take* anything in 8th grade, for example ;p |
| 04:25.59 | Shirik | And some properties of square roots I didn't learn until 9th grade! |
| 04:26.13 | AnduinLothar | i skipped 2nd grade math... |
| 04:26.15 | Gnarfoz | square root is obvious, cosine is obvious - but all others, I've never seen |
| 04:26.28 | AnduinLothar | d/dtis calculous |
| 04:26.29 | Gnarfoz | d/dt would be ' here o_O |
| 04:26.34 | AnduinLothar | yeah, same thing |
| 04:26.39 | Shirik | How to factor (x^2 + 1), for example! |
| 04:26.40 | AnduinLothar | just the extended form |
| 04:26.43 | Shirik | hmmmmmmm |
| 04:26.53 | Gnarfoz | there's no such thing as "calculus" here either, it's all math, because you have no choice to not take it anyway |
| 04:27.01 | Shirik | x = +/- j |
| 04:27.14 | AnduinLothar | d/dt is usually more noticable at the end of an integral |
| 04:27.17 | Gnarfoz | I was kind of confused on my student exchange to the US back then, because they have two subjects, both teaching math |
| 04:27.31 | AnduinLothar | int he same year? |
| 04:27.36 | AnduinLothar | was one physica? |
| 04:27.40 | AnduinLothar | pysics |
| 04:27.42 | AnduinLothar | damnit |
| 04:27.44 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 04:27.45 | AnduinLothar | physics |
| 04:28.31 | Gnarfoz | also I probably forgot details about the US school system by now, but from what I remember, there were some people in my exchange partner's grade that didn't take calculus |
| 04:28.33 | Shirik | It's probably two parallel courses of math |
| 04:28.36 | Shirik | like stats and calculus |
| 04:28.48 | Shirik | in my system, both proceeded algebra 2, you just decide which to take |
| 04:28.57 | Gnarfoz | ah, so it's probable that those who didn't take calculus had... no math class at all? |
| 04:29.15 | Gnarfoz | s/probable/possible/ |
| 04:29.26 | Shirik | potentially; the only required level of math in my system was algebra 2 |
| 04:29.34 | Gnarfoz | ah, ok |
| 04:29.44 | Shirik | but most schools strongly urged to take one additional class, usually either pre-calc or stats |
| 04:30.00 | AnduinLothar | i didn't take a class called stats till college. there was an optional HS one. i did take a symester of economics tho which was way easy |
| 04:30.20 | Shirik | Then there were people like me that took both stats and multivariable calculus in HS... |
| 04:30.20 | Gnarfoz | differences in "basic" stuff like school systems is kind of hard to keep track of, because everyone just remembers what theirs was like and takes it for granted, most of the time ^^ |
| 04:31.05 | AnduinLothar | i could have taken stats.. if i hadn't taken 8 AP classes |
| 04:31.24 | Gnarfoz | "multivariable calculus"? see, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about - no one here would think that'd be a class of its own ^^ |
| 04:31.32 | AnduinLothar | mmm Muradin's voice sounds familiar |
| 04:31.54 | Gnarfoz | could be... the same as in wc3? (isn't he dead?) |
| 04:32.08 | AnduinLothar | flashback |
| 04:32.29 | Gnarfoz | n.b.: I just cheat-skipped through wc3 when I started playing wow for the cinematics and ingame-cutscenes |
| 04:34.18 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Calculus with more than one variable :) |
| 04:34.27 | Shirik | Many colleges consider it the 3rd semester of calculus |
| 04:34.33 | Gnarfoz | erm yeah I was perfectly able to translate that on my own ^^ |
| 04:34.33 | Shirik | "Calculus 3" etc. |
| 04:34.37 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:34.54 | Gnarfoz | but how's that college material oO |
| 04:35.00 | Gnarfoz | doesn't college go after high school? |
| 04:35.01 | Shirik | Technically the class was named "Multivariable Calculus and Matrix Methods" |
| 04:35.05 | Shirik | yes |
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| 04:35.12 | Thunder_Child | ~vs Shirik Gnarfoz |
| 04:35.13 | purl | in a one on one showdown, Shirik wins. |
| 04:35.18 | Shirik | obviously ^ |
| 04:35.22 | Gnarfoz | ~8ball |
| 04:35.23 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Signs point to yes |
| 04:35.26 | Gnarfoz | damnit |
| 04:35.35 | Shirik | Gnarfoz, I was one of 4 people in my highschool to take that class, and only 10 people in the entire district :) Normally that's a college course |
| 04:35.37 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:35.53 | Gnarfoz | ah ok, matrix stuff looks more complex (although it's also taught in what goes into the same bracket as "high school" goes in the US) |
| 04:36.05 | AnduinLothar | i took calc B my sr year in HS at a lcoal city college |
| 04:36.06 | Shirik | It's so advanced in high school that my college refused to grant me credit for it on the basis that "there's no way I could have learned it correctly that early" |
| 04:36.18 | Shirik | they gave me credit for calc 1/2 though |
| 04:36.19 | Gnarfoz | haha way to go |
| 04:37.21 | Gnarfoz | I'd probably understand more of the math they're teaching at our ... damn I hate how that's untranslatable... corresponding type of school *now* compared to then |
| 04:37.25 | AnduinLothar | and i got hell for it every time i took a math or cs clas sin college. my Calc B credit transfered but they didn't recognize the 3 I got on the calc A AP test... so i had to get every class that required it signed for |
| 04:37.38 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:37.39 | Shirik | nice |
| 04:37.50 | Shirik | I got a 5 on my AP stats test, and a 6 on my IB HL Math test |
| 04:38.34 | Shirik | so they were pretty generous with credit |
| 04:38.36 | Shirik | helped a lot :) |
| 04:38.45 | Gnarfoz | but I guess when you starting using programmable/graphic calculators in grade 11 (and there's still two grades to go from there ^^), then yes, some of what's taught there might overlap with what falls into college "territory" over there |
| 04:39.18 | AnduinLothar | F that. i had a TI-89 when i took Algebra 2 |
| 04:39.43 | AnduinLothar | TI-80 when i took Algebra |
| 04:39.55 | AnduinLothar | then they wouldn't let us use them in college |
| 04:40.21 | AnduinLothar | so i had to buy another cheep one |
| 04:40.57 | AnduinLothar | I'm like. ok. so when am i gonna need to do math w/o a calculator? |
| 04:41.13 | AnduinLothar | or a computer for that matter |
| 04:41.32 | Thunder_Child | AnduinLothar, in the field |
| 04:41.42 | Gnarfoz | TI-83 in that case, and my... hm... there's a point in one's school life where one doesn't "choose classes" but there's the same classes for everyone, right? how's the group of people (there's probably several, for obvious reasons) you're taking the same lessons with called in that case? |
| 04:41.45 | AnduinLothar | my iPhone has a scientific calc |
| 04:41.47 | Gnarfoz | is that also "class"? |
| 04:41.48 | Tem | I _hate_ that none of my classes let me use my ti83 on the grounds that I might cheat |
| 04:41.55 | Thunder_Child | never take it for granted that you will be with the tools you need |
| 04:41.58 | AnduinLothar | and i ahve that everywhere |
| 04:42.04 | Gnarfoz | Tem: same. :< |
| 04:43.08 | AnduinLothar | G: 'class' or 'year' |
| 04:43.29 | AnduinLothar | not really a designated word |
| 04:44.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's ambiguous in German, too, really only works from context |
| 04:45.19 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, my class started using them from 9th grade on, really more as a trial run, and we've never put them to much use >_> |
| 04:45.34 | AnduinLothar | what calcs? |
| 04:45.38 | Gnarfoz | ti83 |
| 04:46.27 | Gnarfoz | until later grades, when they could probably have helped or be utilized properly, but actually people had more trouble *grasping* the math that was being tought, rather than using their programmable calculators to put that math to use ;p |
| 04:46.46 | AnduinLothar | oh, we could use them, but not everyone had them. i think in trig my teacher had a class set of a dozen or so you could borrow |
| 04:47.21 | Gnarfoz | ...I tend to not be good at grasping stuff without seeing it applied in a useful scenario... math classes tend to not provide those, out of principle ^^ |
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| 04:48.09 | Gnarfoz | "it's math! it's supposed to be universal!" - "F that I don't get what that stuff up there on the board is supposed to do then" ;p |
| 04:49.11 | Gnarfoz | funny thing is, the curriculum in use could probably use some decompression and some of the higher level stuff be left out |
| 04:49.19 | Gnarfoz | and I'm saying this because |
| 04:50.04 | Gnarfoz | at university (as there's no such thing as college here, at I fail to see what school form would correspond to that), the first thing you'd do in any subject that touches on more than basic math is |
| 04:50.20 | NightHawkTheSane | college == university |
| 04:50.38 | Gnarfoz | a 2-week (or so) crash course on "why all you learnt about math in school is wrong and how it's wrong" xD |
| 04:50.56 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: there's university in the US, too though, and that's something else than college? |
| 04:51.01 | AnduinLothar | sometimes. or sometimes a university is a bunch of smaller colleges, which are basicly enlarged departments |
| 04:51.12 | Tem | in the US, university == college |
| 04:51.13 | NightHawkTheSane | in general, we t ypically use the terms synonymously |
| 04:51.19 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 04:51.19 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 04:52.26 | Gnarfoz | indeed >_> even a dictionary gives both translations. I just got that impression somehow and never bothered to actually look it up. |
| 04:52.29 | Gnarfoz | ~fail me |
| 04:52.30 | purl | gnarfoz, you Fail! |
| 04:52.44 | Gnarfoz | why do I fail with a capital F though? :< |
| 04:55.05 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail Gnarfoz |
| 04:55.06 | purl | Gnarfoz, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Gnarfoz, you are that epic failure. |
| 04:55.16 | Gnarfoz | I know that one. :p |
| 04:55.35 | Thunder_Child | meh, to lazy to make any more of them |
| 04:55.45 | Gnarfoz | correct the existing ones, then! |
| 04:55.47 | AnduinLothar | like harvey mudd for example is a college. but it's part of the Claremont Colleges which is sometimes referred to as a university. you take classes in the adjoining colleges. Or like University of California at Irvine, which is a collection of 'Schools' which are really just the different departments. The schools all have their own structure and hierarchy and the university also has it's own hierarchy, which is different administrat |
| 04:55.54 | Thunder_Child | what correct? |
| 04:56.05 | Thunder_Child | who says it's wrong? |
| 04:56.05 | Gnarfoz | Fail ~= fail |
| 04:56.24 | Thunder_Child | it's a higher standard of fail |
| 04:56.30 | Gnarfoz | capital letters mid-sentence = no good |
| 04:56.53 | Tem | Thunder_Child, at the very least, it's mising a comma |
| 04:57.04 | malreth | University of Texas is several colleges on one campus |
| 04:57.25 | AnduinLothar | right. that's the general difference between uni and college |
| 04:57.41 | AnduinLothar | generally colleges are smaller and have a single administrative hierachy |
| 04:57.50 | AnduinLothar | with different departments |
| 04:57.50 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 04:57.56 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, thats fairly specialized, though. in casual conversation they're used interchangably |
| 04:58.02 | AnduinLothar | true |
| 04:58.17 | Thunder_Child | Tem, where? |
| 04:58.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah I see how they would |
| 04:58.31 | malreth | just like how lusers use the terms "download" and "save" interchangeably |
| 04:58.32 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: And you, <name>, you are ... |
| 04:58.41 | NightHawkTheSane | your examples are basically turning them into almost proper nouns for specific organizations. which isn't wrong, but is hardly the general case |
| 04:58.45 | Tem | "... one thousand years from now, ..." |
| 04:59.04 | Gnarfoz | hrm :< |
| 04:59.22 | Thunder_Child | i attribute commas as pauses, i dont want pauses there |
| 04:59.43 | Thunder_Child | it's supposed to be a specific way of saying it |
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| 04:59.58 | Tem | Whether or not you want the pause, it's not correct without the comma |
| 05:00.03 | malreth | ~choose sleep or ice cream |
| 05:00.03 | purl | I would choose neither. |
| 05:00.18 | AnduinLothar | depends if you're a poet or an essayist |
| 05:00.35 | malreth | epic drinking it is then... |
| 05:01.05 | malreth | hooray for Arthas! |
| 05:01.37 | Gnarfoz | for inscription! :P |
| 05:02.02 | laeg | they need to make it get dark at night in warcraft |
| 05:02.21 | Gnarfoz | ...they do already? |
| 05:02.24 | malreth | daoc did that |
| 05:02.27 | laeg | not enough |
| 05:02.33 | laeg | it's hardly noticable |
| 05:02.33 | malreth | you even had to turn on a light in order to be able to see |
| 05:02.41 | malreth | it gets annoying, trust me |
| 05:02.56 | laeg | duskwood is still like being at the beach in summer at 2am |
| 05:03.01 | Gnarfoz | indeed it would, hence the 'not so darkness' or "each day has a full moon" ^^ |
| 05:03.17 | Gnarfoz | duskwood isn't even bright at daytime? >_> |
| 05:03.47 | laeg | yes it's darker than most zones during the day but still bright |
| 05:03.52 | laeg | and still bright at night |
| 05:04.45 | laeg | all the major cities must have serious global warming issues coming. |
| 05:05.34 | malreth | laeg: nothing that a team of mages can't fix |
| 05:06.04 | laeg | :) |
| 05:06.31 | laeg | al gore = mage. |
| 05:07.05 | malreth | that explains the wizards hat he always wears |
| 05:07.29 | malreth | Tekkub: <3 |
| 05:08.03 | Tekkub | nandayo? |
| 05:08.12 | malreth | your final word on the addon copyright thread |
| 05:08.30 | malreth | "man you people are too damn easy to get confused" |
| 05:08.41 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 05:09.00 | Tekkub | the thread needed to end, Mazz can either sue or get off the pot |
| 05:09.17 | laeg | i still don't get how ^^ = :) |
| 05:09.34 | laeg | maybe in manga cartoons |
| 05:09.34 | malreth | that guy just loves the drama he creates |
| 05:09.40 | Tekkub | cause forum threads and blog article ain't gonna do shit except make him or Kael look bad, and I think it's weighted a bit more towards making Mazz look bad |
| 05:09.54 | laeg | Tekkub: link |
| 05:10.08 | Tekkub | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14385 |
| 05:10.15 | laeg | *click* |
| 05:10.23 | Tekkub | shit, I forgot to *actually* lock it |
| 05:10.28 | malreth | lol |
| 05:10.31 | malreth | ~fail Tekkub |
| 05:10.32 | purl | Tekkub: FAIL! |
| 05:10.34 | Tekkub | taht's better |
| 05:10.41 | laeg | heh code |
| 05:11.03 | laeg | can i understand the dispute without understanding the code (i need to ask before reading) |
| 05:11.13 | malreth | shit... i could have posted an "IBTL" reply! |
| 05:11.41 | malreth | laeg: you must be this tall *points* to get on that ride |
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| 05:13.47 | malreth | the way i see it, everyone's some sort of son of a bitch |
| 05:17.13 | AnduinLothar | heh. the fact that Mazzle was pissed that someone republished his code is pretty hilarious |
| 05:18.31 | AnduinLothar | doesn't MazzleUI based on a bunch of other people's work combined with Mazzle's? |
| 05:18.35 | AnduinLothar | isn't* |
| 05:19.12 | Gnarfoz | it's only hilarious if you don't take copyright into account ;) |
| 05:19.17 | malreth | if he's gotten permission from the original authors, then i don't see the problem |
| 05:19.31 | AnduinLothar | i don't remember him getting permission |
| 05:19.55 | cog|away | AnduinLothar: no |
| 05:19.59 | malreth | Tuller's not around for us to ask him |
| 05:20.00 | cog|away | it's a compilation, yes |
| 05:20.05 | cog|away | but he wrote a ton of his own shit |
| 05:20.22 | AnduinLothar | sure, but he also modified other people's addons and republished them in his compilation |
| 05:20.31 | Gnarfoz | didn't? |
| 05:20.38 | cog|away | not without permission |
| 05:20.46 | Gnarfoz | it's a compilation with custom built settings-management and setup |
| 05:20.48 | AnduinLothar | in fact i know he modified MobileMinimapButtons and republished it |
| 05:20.52 | AnduinLothar | without asking me |
| 05:21.07 | malreth | publicly airing all this drama, soliciting drama in blog articles and forum threads is a dick move, tho |
| 05:21.10 | Gnarfoz | did you publish it with any sort of license? ^^ |
| 05:21.11 | cog|away | AnduinLothar: did he modify it or did he just use its features from his own addon? |
| 05:21.21 | AnduinLothar | he modified it |
| 05:21.39 | Gnarfoz | malreth: drama++, hm? ;) |
| 05:21.40 | AnduinLothar | and no i dont use a license on my addons, they're only covered by copywrite |
| 05:22.04 | Gnarfoz | copyright |
| 05:22.24 | cog|away | AnduinLothar: if he did indeed use and modify it without your permission then i'm sure he'd remove it upon request /shrug |
| 05:22.31 | cog|away | which is the basis of the whole issue |
| 05:22.49 | malreth | unless... Mazz is a hypocrite? *gasp* |
| 05:23.16 | Gnarfoz | which he so far has not proven to be |
| 05:23.29 | Gnarfoz | (proven to be a dick, yes, but that's another matter ;p) |
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| 05:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: I read the thread, but I'm going with "human" |
| 05:23.46 | cog|away | i bet a large percentage of alleged hypocrites were either mistaken, changed their minds, or would change their minds if the hypocrisy is brought to their attention |
| 05:24.26 | AnduinLothar | that's not rly the point tho. he never tried to ask me. I wasn't particularly bothered, i think i used his modifications to make some similar changes to MMB. But the fact that he's pissed when he did the same thing to me..... is humerous |
| 05:25.07 | cog|away | if you brought it to his attention he'd do something about it |
| 05:25.07 | Sixen | HAI COG |
| 05:25.13 | Sixen | Caps ftw. |
| 05:25.19 | cog|away | he brought this issue to peoples' attention and they didn't |
| 05:25.29 | AnduinLothar | i didn't care. i still don't. |
| 05:26.27 | cog|away | hai Sixen |
| 05:26.27 | AnduinLothar | if i cared, i'd use a license that explicitly states as much |
| 05:26.49 | cog|away | then ... i don't see the point... i'm with ScytheBlade1's conclusion of "human" |
| 05:27.00 | AnduinLothar | i've written 60+ addons. I'd be glad is someone would start maintaining a few of them for me |
| 05:27.12 | cog|away | that's your prerogative |
| 05:27.27 | cog|away | i'm really getting sick of people with the "i feel one way he should too" attitude |
| 05:27.31 | AnduinLothar | but i'm not allowed to find his hypocrasy humerous? |
| 05:27.49 | cog|away | i don't think it's hypocrisy |
| 05:27.53 | Duman | hmm |
| 05:28.06 | cog|away | unless he did it intentionally |
| 05:28.19 | cog|away | and even then he'd rectify it if it were an issue |
| 05:28.22 | AnduinLothar | hypocrisy has to be intentional? |
| 05:28.23 | Gnarfoz | (svn logs say the most important one did take action, the 'infringer', as it were. and this weird idea that no matter what he does, there is no way for him to raise his plagiate to something more than just a 'derivative work', is just bs - and yes, there's gonna be someone disagreeing, and yes, because of that, it's never gonna end :P) |
| 05:29.16 | cog|away | AnduinLothar: hypocrisy implies insincerety |
| 05:29.22 | Gnarfoz | no it doesn't |
| 05:29.31 | AnduinLothar | yeah i dont think that's entirely correct |
| 05:29.36 | cog|away | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=define:+hypocrisy&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 05:30.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i like how it puts your useragent in there twice. |
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| 05:30.52 | Gnarfoz | ok, does insincerity imply intention, then? ;p |
| 05:31.43 | AnduinLothar | mmm i guess many definitions imply pretense. Is there a different word that just means saying one thing and doing another? |
| 05:32.00 | malreth | two-faced? |
| 05:32.03 | Gnarfoz | that's exactly what hypocrisy means |
| 05:32.04 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 05:32.12 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 05:32.13 | cog|away | making a mistake? |
| 05:32.24 | Thunder_Child | no, Gnarfoz hit that on the nose |
| 05:32.29 | AnduinLothar | cause you could easily commit the act of hypocrisy accidently or unintentionally without being a sustained hypocrite |
| 05:32.35 | Gnarfoz | so un-intentional hypocrisy is "making a mistake"? ^^ |
| 05:32.44 | AnduinLothar | imo |
| 05:32.46 | cog|away | but then it's not hypocrisy imo |
| 05:32.56 | AnduinLothar | then make up a word for it and we'll use it |
| 05:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | duplicity? insincerity? |
| 05:33.18 | Thunder_Child | ~dict hypocracy |
| 05:33.25 | AnduinLothar | those both imply intention |
| 05:33.26 | Thunder_Child | ~dict hypocricy |
| 05:33.30 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 05:33.33 | cog|away | Thunder_Child: copy/paste |
| 05:33.33 | AnduinLothar | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrisy |
| 05:33.36 | Gnarfoz | TC, why not copy/paste it ;p |
| 05:33.44 | malreth | honestly, i have a hard time believing that someone who makes such a bit concerted ordeal about "copyright", "derivative works", and "license files" would mistakenly take someone's addon, modify it, and redistribute it... |
| 05:33.44 | Thunder_Child | shh, i prefer to fail |
| 05:34.05 | Gnarfoz | you know what's coming next |
| 05:34.11 | Gnarfoz | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:34.12 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 05:34.14 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 05:34.14 | AnduinLothar | true, but he did do it to a lot of addons. perhaps he forgot one or 2 |
| 05:34.29 | AnduinLothar | i would buy that |
| 05:34.49 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, dosent have the same feel when i say it first |
| 05:35.07 | cog|away | which brings us back to ScytheBlade1's "human" comment :P |
| 05:35.39 | AnduinLothar | needsa word |
| 05:35.46 | malreth | those who live by ze sword... die by ze sword |
| 05:36.07 | Gnarfoz | how do you live 'by the sword' |
| 05:36.10 | AnduinLothar | how about Hypocridental |
| 05:36.14 | Gnarfoz | does it speak to you? |
| 05:36.16 | malreth | the germans probably have a word for it |
| 05:36.22 | Gnarfoz | no we don't |
| 05:36.24 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 05:36.34 | cog|away | lojban probably does |
| 05:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I actually live BY a sword. |
| 05:36.39 | malreth | you have a word for every other abstract concept! |
| 05:36.47 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: i.e., it's near you? ;) |
| 05:36.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: yes! |
| 05:37.06 | Gnarfoz | but how's that gonna get you killed by a sword? |
| 05:37.13 | AnduinLothar | accidentally |
| 05:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i am fairly clumsy. |
| 05:37.16 | Gnarfoz | malreth: true enough, hrm |
| 05:37.19 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 05:37.42 | Gnarfoz | sharp, pointy objects don't mix well with clumsy people |
| 05:37.53 | Gnarfoz | or actually, they do mix rather well, but the results are rather nasty |
| 05:38.36 | malreth | ~mix Gnarfoz |
| 05:38.41 | AnduinLothar | that doesn't sound like mixing |
| 05:38.51 | malreth | sounds more like mincing |
| 05:38.54 | Gnarfoz | hrhr |
| 05:38.55 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 05:39.17 | Gnarfoz | malreth: hyprocrisy would be Heuchelei or Scheinheiligkeit (long words inc!), but I'm not even sure I accept "accidental hipocrisy" as an abstract concept ;O |
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| 05:39.41 | malreth | Scheinheiligkeit has a nice ring to it |
| 05:40.05 | malreth | purl, say Scheinheiligkeit |
| 05:40.06 | purl | Scheinheiligkeit |
| 05:40.21 | Gnarfoz | to seem to be holy = that^ |
| 05:40.26 | AnduinLothar | rofl "Kickin' Nass and Takin' Manes" |
| 05:40.41 | AnduinLothar | "Nass says: Perhaps some other kind of arrangement can be worked out here. A simple tap on the shoulder, maybe?" |
| 05:43.47 | malreth | ~well well well Shirik |
| 05:44.29 | DARKGuy | NightHawkTheSane, Gnarfoz - on the "Live by the sword" note... |
| 05:44.30 | DARKGuy | http://www.stickninjas.com.ar/en/strip.php?cod=56 |
| 05:45.01 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 05:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 05:46.25 | DARKGuy | :P |
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| 05:52.50 | Shirik | :( hiccups |
| 05:55.31 | malreth | you know how to stop hiccups? |
| 05:55.37 | AnduinLothar | a swd |
| 05:55.40 | malreth | getting punched in the solar plexus |
| 05:55.44 | malreth | ~punch Shirik |
| 05:55.44 | purl | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Shirik right on the nose |
| 05:55.50 | malreth | no, purl~ |
| 05:55.54 | malreth | that's wrong! |
| 05:56.12 | DARKGuy | Hmm. |
| 05:56.12 | Shirik | ~kick malreth |
| 05:56.13 | purl | ACTION kicks malreth |
| 05:56.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought you said.. punched in the solar panels. i was confused. |
| 05:56.37 | DARKGuy | Since I started using Kirov's Diablo unitballs, I've became kinda invincible o.O... |
| 05:56.55 | malreth | kirov's balls? |
| 05:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | so you're saying kirov's balls make you invulnerable? |
| 05:57.08 | Shirik | ! |
| 05:57.22 | DARKGuy | lmao |
| 05:57.36 | DARKGuy | his addon, you corrupted minds! |
| 05:57.37 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 05:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 05:57.54 | malreth | you're the one going on about his balls |
| 05:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously. |
| 05:58.24 | DARKGuy | :| |
| 05:58.29 | DARKGuy | Im talking about the addon |
| 05:58.31 | DARKGuy | and they're balls! |
| 05:58.34 | DARKGuy | :| |
| 05:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly, if i were kirov, i might be worried about your obsession with his balls |
| 05:58.40 | malreth | don't get me wrong... his balls are probably awesome |
| 05:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: oh, they are. |
| 05:59.01 | DARKGuy | indeed XD |
| 05:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | some of the best balls i've seen. |
| 05:59.28 | malreth | i don't look at balls, you sick fucks |
| 05:59.40 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe you should |
| 05:59.43 | NightHawkTheSane | they're impressive |
| 05:59.48 | DARKGuy | oh but someday you will |
| 05:59.49 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 05:59.53 | AnduinLothar | yak balls? |
| 06:00.00 | DARKGuy | I hope blizzard beats 'em |
| 06:00.13 | DARKGuy | or else I'm gonna praise Kirov forevah :P |
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| 06:00.31 | Corrodias | you want Blizzard to... beat his balls |
| 06:00.42 | Corrodias | an unusual request |
| 06:01.17 | malreth | so... if made his addon stop working, you could say you were bustin his balls? |
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| 06:12.59 | TC-Away | ~seen art3mis |
| 06:13.01 | purl | art3mis <i=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 66d 5h 17s ago, saying: 'come to #requiem if yer interested/wanna chat'. |
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| 06:15.38 | Thunder_Child | anyone know what happened to art3mis? |
| 06:17.58 | Shirik | Cairenn ate him |
| 06:18.09 | Shirik | crazy canadians |
| 06:18.23 | Duman | :-o |
| 06:23.42 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 06:29.37 | Thunder_Child | excuse me Shirik, not all of us eat people, just the canadians from up north, which is saying something from a canadian |
| 06:29.57 | Shirik | oh sorry |
| 06:30.06 | Shirik | is Cairenn a northern canadian? |
| 06:30.11 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 06:30.16 | Shirik | ok then |
| 06:30.18 | Cairenn | ummmm |
| 06:30.20 | Cairenn | no I'm not |
| 06:30.23 | Shirik | you are now! |
| 06:30.25 | Thunder_Child | you said you were |
| 06:30.33 | Thunder_Child | you said mid north |
| 06:30.33 | Cairenn | no |
| 06:30.36 | Cairenn | no |
| 06:30.48 | Cairenn | I'm from Nova Scotia :p |
| 06:31.11 | Shirik | that's in canada? |
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| 06:31.20 | Shirik | I thought that was in like.... iceland or something >.> |
| 06:31.24 | Cairenn | ... |
| 06:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 06:31.36 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 06:31.42 | Thunder_Child | see Cairenn, now i have to find where you said you lived |
| 06:31.49 | Thunder_Child | cuse it was WAY diff |
| 06:31.53 | Shirik | hey, I barely go outside |
| 06:31.58 | Duman | HAI |
| 06:32.01 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 06:32.02 | purl | hmm... logs is http://s12/ |
| 06:32.02 | Shirik | why the hell would I know where some place in Canada is |
| 06:32.07 | Shirik | ... wtf? |
| 06:32.08 | Duman | ~fail Northrend |
| 06:32.09 | purl | Northrend, you Fail! |
| 06:32.14 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I said I *live* in Ottawa - which is still not mid-north :p |
| 06:32.33 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, no no, you were quite specific, must needs find |
| 06:32.42 | Thunder_Child | and what happened to ~logs |
| 06:32.44 | Thunder_Child | ~log |
| 06:32.45 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation |
| 06:32.47 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 06:32.56 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo logs |
| 06:32.56 | purl | logs -- last modified 3d 6h 59m 26s ago by fungus!n=olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com; it has been requested 393 times, last by Thunder_Child, 54s ago. |
| 06:33.20 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ |
| 06:33.40 | Thunder_Child | ty Cairenn, now please go kill fungus |
| 06:33.47 | Cairenn | no |
| 06:33.54 | Thunder_Child | pretty please? |
| 06:34.26 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* and the logs dont go far back enough |
| 06:34.36 | Shirik | purl, no, logs is <reply> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode |
| 06:34.37 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 06:37.13 | Thunder_Child | well the logs do have some fun tidbits |
| 06:37.15 | Thunder_Child | "bleetah: meh, when I lived in Dublin.. best I could tell from St Paddy's day... St Patrick is the patron saint of bodily excretions" |
| 06:37.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ammend that to include the bit about lines beinf prefixed with a space are not logged |
| 06:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *being |
| 06:38.49 | Thunder_Child | anyone remember what the date was for the last blizzcon? |
| 06:38.59 | Shirik | purl, no, logs is <reply> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 06:39.00 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 06:39.25 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child the old entry should still be on the Blizz calendar |
| 06:40.02 | Thunder_Child | ty Nechckn |
| 06:40.22 | Thunder_Child | 8/3-4 |
| 06:41.15 | Shirik | of course |
| 06:41.20 | Shirik | if you have an awesome IRC client like mine |
| 06:41.23 | Shirik | you can't start lines with a space |
| 06:41.35 | Shirik | Hey lookie, this line starts with 20 spaces |
| 06:41.50 | Shirik | This one has way too many spaces to count |
| 06:41.55 | Shirik | they all look the same :( |
| 06:42.19 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.21 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 06:42.48 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly| is delusional again |
| 06:43.34 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 07:00.26 | Bibi | is there any way to zoom out further than the 30 yards limit ? |
| 07:00.30 | Bibi | (or 50, don't remember) |
| 07:00.40 | Kirov | 50, and not really |
| 07:00.53 | Bibi | not really, or not at all ? :p |
| 07:00.54 | Kirov | There used to be, but it doesn't appear to work anymore |
| 07:01.42 | Bibi | I remember a way to zoom out and it worked until you moved the camera |
| 07:02.45 | Rabbitbunny | What? it works fine on mine. |
| 07:03.06 | Kirov | Rabbitbunny - you can get it past 50 yards? |
| 07:03.09 | Rabbitbunny | I'm zoomed out like 900 yards. |
| 07:03.29 | Rabbitbunny | 20sec to logout... |
| 07:03.30 | Kirov | What method do you use? config.wtf editing or in-game |
| 07:03.36 | Rabbitbunny | Get the name of the thing. |
| 07:03.44 | Rabbitbunny | s/Get/Getting/ |
| 07:04.39 | Rabbitbunny | o0o0o |
| 07:05.05 | Rabbitbunny | nah, I've got 'ImprovedCamera', but it says right in the tooltip that it only increases it to 50. |
| 07:05.13 | Rabbitbunny | wth kinda yards are the using? |
| 07:05.45 | Rabbitbunny | either their yards are too big or my character is like 3'5" |
| 07:06.43 | Kirov | Rabbitbunny - Don't you play a gnome? |
| 07:07.20 | Rabbitbunny | ...this is aside the point. |
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| 07:08.29 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 07:11.40 | Cairenn | wow, a new mod I actually rather like! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9785-MiniWatch.html |
| 07:12.56 | Kirov | GnomeDust is nice too ... when it doesn't hit an infinite loop |
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| 07:13.24 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, nice but i think they should replace the pointer in the middle, seems a little out of place after a few min |
| 07:13.36 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 07:14.10 | Cairenn | but it's still nice to see something that's actually kinda different - so many mods these days are just variations on a theme |
| 07:14.30 | Rabbitbunny | ...how do you see the minimap? |
| 07:14.37 | Thunder_Child | mouseover |
| 07:14.59 | Rabbitbunny | Wow. That would get quite annoying. |
| 07:15.58 | Shirik | personal preference :) |
| 07:16.28 | Kirov | Cairenn - like my Diablo balls? They're completely unique and not derivative in any way! |
| 07:16.41 | Cairenn | Kirov: :) |
| 07:17.06 | Kirov | I'm actually looking forward to what comes out of the ROFL addon contest |
| 07:17.07 | Thunder_Child | i think it would be really interesting if it had a "raid boss" mode where there would be boss ability markings on the clock face and the "timer" hand would tick around to show when the ability were going to get used |
| 07:17.17 | Rabbitbunny | Yeah, I guess once you memorize what you're doing... |
| 07:17.20 | Kirov | I have an idea for one, but I don't know if I have the time to do it proper. |
| 07:17.35 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, your "balls" are as bad as art3mis's HK crap |
| 07:17.49 | Kirov | HK? |
| 07:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hello kitty |
| 07:17.56 | Rabbitbunny | A non-combat pet switcher? switches pets every time you visit the bank, Then uses the pet when it mounts you? |
| 07:18.08 | Rabbitbunny | err.. |
| 07:18.12 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - lol, ok |
| 07:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 07:18.13 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 07:18.19 | NightHawkTheSane | a little freudian slip, there, Rabbitbunny ? |
| 07:18.27 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - Have you actually seen them in game? |
| 07:18.39 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, seen what? |
| 07:18.50 | NightHawkTheSane | his balls, of course |
| 07:19.01 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.jpg |
| 07:19.03 | Kirov | My balls. |
| 07:19.12 | Thunder_Child | yes i have seen your balls |
| 07:19.12 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.zip |
| 07:19.14 | NightHawkTheSane | they're really more impressive live than in a picture |
| 07:19.21 | Shirik | Okay, so I went into my vent server which I haven't been in in ages, and a few of my friends are there |
| 07:19.26 | Thunder_Child | will your balls work in 3.0? |
| 07:19.36 | Kirov | They should |
| 07:19.41 | Kirov | No idea if they do though |
| 07:19.44 | Shirik | First thing I hear is "I wonder what the moral implications are of me mangling his crotch every 5 seconds" |
| 07:19.57 | Kirov | Unfortunatly, my balls are actually useful. |
| 07:19.58 | Shirik | and I'm like "Sos is this what you guys talk about at 3 in the morning?" |
| 07:20.06 | Kirov | Thus, disqualified from the contest. |
| 07:20.40 | Thunder_Child | that is an opnion Kirov |
| 07:21.04 | Kirov | They display real health and mana information. |
| 07:21.29 | Kirov | I could have them knock togethere and start wobbling around the screen ... but I don't think that'd win me the contest |
| 07:21.52 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - bah, just change it to 30000 |
| 07:22.14 | Thunder_Child | why is my mana ball a smoky white? |
| 07:22.32 | Kirov | Because it doesn't work with 3.0 properly? |
| 07:22.37 | Kirov | Duh |
| 07:22.38 | Thunder_Child | and not work as well |
| 07:22.41 | Kirov | >.< |
| 07:22.42 | Thunder_Child | the hp one works though |
| 07:22.53 | Kirov | What's the error? |
| 07:23.00 | Thunder_Child | no error |
| 07:23.00 | Kirov | or is there one |
| 07:23.03 | Kirov | frk |
| 07:23.29 | Kirov | It's white, but still animating, that means they changed some events |
| 07:23.45 | Thunder_Child | well smoke colored anyway |
| 07:23.49 | Thunder_Child | is there / commands? |
| 07:24.04 | Rabbitbunny | Wait. you guys have the 3.0 client? htf? |
| 07:24.14 | Cairenn | beta |
| 07:24.14 | Kirov | not exactly, you can see what they do with some commands |
| 07:24.21 | Rabbitbunny | o0o0o |
| 07:24.26 | Thunder_Child | well i cant move them |
| 07:24.30 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.35 | Kirov | No, you can't move them. |
| 07:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov's balls are too massive to be moved by mere mortals. |
| 07:24.55 | Kirov | There's a reason the addon is currently only on my site and not on wowi yet. |
| 07:25.23 | Kirov | Even with Cairenn's reassurance I don't need to add options to be able to release. |
| 07:25.29 | |Yssaril| | Kirov: let me gues you dont have the balls to move them to wowi :P? |
| 07:25.30 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:25.42 | Cairenn | OOOOH! them's fightin' words |
| 07:25.43 | Thunder_Child | also, it would be nice if there was a toggle of some kind to get a text readout either on the balls or pref in an arc above them |
| 07:26.10 | Shirik | Anyone want to take a look at a piece of documentation for me and tell me if I'm interpreting this correctly? It's 3:30 AM and I'm pretty convinced I'm reading this wrong. |
| 07:26.40 | Shirik | piece of C documentation* |
| 07:27.26 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - It's not really intended to be a real addon, I was actually thinking of doing something like the text that shows up on the player frame |
| 07:28.05 | Kirov | |Yssaril| - I'm confident enough in my masculinity to not have to release my balls to the entire world. |
| 07:28.10 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, well pera would be a nice option |
| 07:28.17 | Thunder_Child | perma* |
| 07:28.38 | Kirov | There's that nasty "o" word again |
| 07:28.54 | Thunder_Child | yes damit, O P T I O N S |
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| 07:29.19 | Kirov | You promised me you'd never say that word again... </miracle max> |
| 07:29.20 | Thunder_Child | make people WANT your balls, it will make you feel better |
| 07:30.48 | Kirov | RedGlobe BlueGlobe |
| 07:30.48 | Kirov | -- Globe:SetValue( value[, easeTime[, fallEaseTime]] ) : 0 - 1, 0..., 0... |
| 07:30.48 | Kirov | -- Globe:SetColor( r, g, b[, a] ) : 0 - 1 |
| 07:30.48 | Kirov | -- Globe:SetRate( playbackRate ) : 0... |
| 07:30.48 | Kirov | -- Globe:SetContrast( liquidContrast ) : 0 - 1 |
| 07:31.06 | Rabbitbunny | Heh, I just made myself giggle. |
| 07:31.25 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - those are the options so far |
| 07:31.29 | Rabbitbunny | The winner of that contest should be a speedometer/odometer for mounts. |
| 07:31.36 | Thunder_Child | first one did nothing |
| 07:32.02 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - RedGlobe:SetValue(0.5) does nothing? |
| 07:32.12 | Thunder_Child | err, i meant first on the list |
| 07:32.34 | Kirov | Globe: doesn't work, RedGlobe: should |
| 07:33.00 | Thunder_Child | hmm..nada |
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| 07:33.29 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - what happens if you strip your armor and put it back on? |
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| 07:33.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o AlexanderYoshi] by ChanServ |
| 07:33.35 | AlexanderYoshi | Hey |
| 07:33.44 | Guillotine | hey AY :) |
| 07:33.45 | Cairenn | hey Alex |
| 07:33.46 | AlexanderYoshi | Does the WWS guy still chill here? |
| 07:33.50 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, nothing |
| 07:33.57 | Cairenn | wws? |
| 07:34.04 | Guillotine | WoWWebStats |
| 07:34.08 | Cairenn | dunno |
| 07:34.19 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, i lied, hp goes down |
| 07:34.22 | AlexanderYoshi | SoaD |
| 07:34.24 | AlexanderYoshi | is the name |
| 07:34.24 | Kirov | @#%! |
| 07:34.27 | Shirik | hi AlexanderYoshi |
| 07:34.30 | AlexanderYoshi | Hi |
| 07:34.33 | AlexanderYoshi | What's new? |
| 07:34.33 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, most of my stuff doesnt have stam |
| 07:34.44 | Cairenn | hrm, don't recall seeing him in here lately |
| 07:35.14 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - what class are you playing? |
| 07:35.50 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, mage |
| 07:36.26 | Guillotine | AlexanderYoshi: And I think SoaD is just a moderator for WWS. Lossendil is the main author |
| 07:36.36 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - what happens with this /run BlueGlobe:SetColor(0,0,1) |
| 07:36.51 | Thunder_Child | ah, blue |
| 07:37.11 | AlexanderYoshi | ahhh |
| 07:37.14 | AlexanderYoshi | oh well |
| 07:37.17 | Thunder_Child | still doesnt attach to my actual mana value though |
| 07:37.25 | AlexanderYoshi | I was hoping to get some WWS parses for my DK on beta |
| 07:37.35 | AlexanderYoshi | there's a silly bug in WWS that could be handled |
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| 07:40.02 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - very weird, I can't see why it doesn't work. Looking at the diff between 2.4 and 3.0 code I don't see anything that's changed enough to break this |
| 07:41.07 | AlexanderYoshi | is it the (self) stuff |
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| 07:41.22 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it, the HP one works, the mana does not |
| 07:41.50 | Kirov | more or less identical code |
| 07:41.59 | Kirov | UnitHealth vs UnitMana |
| 07:42.12 | Kirov | Different events registered |
| 07:42.50 | Kirov | aha |
| 07:43.36 | Guillotine | what is it? |
| 07:43.40 | foxlit | UNIT |
| 07:43.47 | foxlit | _RUNIC_POWER is made of pure evil |
| 07:44.00 | Guillotine | how so? |
| 07:44.14 | Guillotine | just because it isn't UNIT_MANA? |
| 07:44.16 | Kirov | They changed ManaBarColor table to PowerBarColor |
| 07:44.23 | foxlit | In that none of the 2.4 addons register it :) |
| 07:44.51 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - my addon should be erroring every time your mana changes |
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| 07:45.08 | Guillotine | Kirov: Link to the addon? I want to try it :D |
| 07:45.26 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.zip |
| 07:45.41 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, ah, UI errors was turned off |
| 07:45.48 | Thunder_Child | bingo |
| 07:46.18 | Thunder_Child | \diabloglobes.lua:299 attempt to index global 'manabarcolor' (a nill value) |
| 07:48.06 | Guillotine | Kirov: hahaha, did you make an addon that made the extra action bars behave like OS X? |
| 07:48.20 | Kirov | Guillotine - yes |
| 07:48.25 | Guillotine | that is awesome |
| 07:48.32 | Kirov | Guillotine - doesn't really work in 2.0 |
| 07:48.57 | Kirov | didn't really work before 2.0 either ... because of the way the bars are anchored ... |
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| 07:50.02 | Thunder_Child | 00:49:31][1. General] [Grhamick]: 2 months before I start the academy ... |
| 07:50.02 | Thunder_Child | 00:49:45][1. General] [Mekormek]: The Jedi Academy? |
| 07:50.03 | Thunder_Child | [00:49:51][1. General] [Grhamick]: not exactly |
| 07:50.08 | Thunder_Child | freaking geeks |
| 07:50.40 | Kirov | 3.0 peeps, download that again. should work |
| 07:51.20 | Thunder_Child | wtb incremental zip files |
| 07:51.46 | Kirov | heh |
| 07:52.00 | Kirov | The evils of a 1meg texture |
| 07:52.41 | Kirov | Guillotine - http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/WoWScrnShot_072907_164449.jpg |
| 07:53.04 | Guillotine | Kirov: yah, thats where I saw the screenshot :) |
| 07:53.19 | Kirov | It's DockBar.1.zip if you want it |
| 07:54.33 | Thunder_Child | "/wow/DockBar.1.zip Not found" |
| 07:54.54 | Kirov | DockBar.0.1.zip |
| 07:54.57 | Kirov | sorry |
| 07:55.10 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DockBar.0.1.zip |
| 07:55.16 | Guillotine | just go to /wow/ and you can see a list of all the files |
| 07:55.22 | Kirov | That almost definatly won't work in 3.0 |
| 07:55.27 | Kirov | it barely functions in 2.0 |
| 07:55.34 | Guillotine | you'll be able to rewrite it to work in 3.0 though |
| 07:55.47 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, i thought you said it really doesnt work in 2.0 though |
| 07:56.14 | foxlit | it doesn't work _in combat_ in 2.0 :) |
| 07:56.16 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - Well, in combat the buttons stop moving ... which kind of breaks the point of it. |
| 07:56.29 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, nvm dockbar says incompat |
| 07:56.52 | foxlit | area capture UI needs an overhaul |
| 07:57.38 | Kirov | ## Interface: 11000 |
| 07:57.38 | Kirov | ## Title: DockBar |
| 07:57.40 | Kirov | lol |
| 07:57.58 | Kirov | it's a bit ... old |
| 07:58.12 | foxlit | Something as simple as "Your faction has 5 people here; Not your faction has 18; they'll capture in 2 minutes" |
| 07:58.25 | Kirov | Along with all my more-feature-filled versions of CTRA |
| 07:58.43 | Xuerian | Guillotine: So with this getting rid of state headers deal |
| 07:58.49 | Xuerian | Will the real sprocket be able to come back? |
| 07:59.01 | Guillotine | depends. What is the real sprocket? |
| 07:59.06 | Kirov | Xuerian - The real sprocket works in 2.0 |
| 07:59.21 | Xuerian | Kirov: It does? Guillotine: Never used Sprocket? |
| 07:59.22 | Thunder_Child | will the real sprocket please stand up, please stand up.... |
| 07:59.25 | Kirov | Xuerian - I started a rewrite of the addon and got it working enough |
| 07:59.36 | Kirov | Too lazy to finish it though |
| 07:59.40 | Xuerian | kirov: Child-sprockets? |
| 07:59.51 | Kirov | (basically too lazy to learn Ace) |
| 07:59.57 | Kirov | Xuerian - yeah, works fine |
| 08:00.03 | Xuerian | Kirov: ... |
| 08:00.04 | Xuerian | do want |
| 08:00.08 | zenzelezz | in combat and stuffs? |
| 08:00.12 | Kirov | yep |
| 08:00.22 | Xuerian | off of frames? |
| 08:01.09 | Kirov | They only thing it can't do is appear on a modifier key down. |
| 08:01.10 | Shirik | oh my life, I think my system has gotten way too complicated |
| 08:01.22 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, well except for the combat thing you said, it doesnt throw any errors at all |
| 08:01.33 | Shirik | I have a union containing two different classes, one of those classes contains a union containing 3 different structs |
| 08:01.33 | foxlit | If you're on beta, don't ever go into the southern bone wastes |
| 08:01.40 | Kirov | Xuerian - and technically yes |
| 08:01.48 | Kirov | Xuerian - I never got it that far |
| 08:01.48 | Xuerian | Kirov: graaaah... want.... |
| 08:01.58 | Xuerian | foxlit: Why's that? |
| 08:02.06 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - lol |
| 08:02.12 | foxlit | Flying corpse glow animations absolutely kill your fps |
| 08:02.22 | Xuerian | foxlit: Shazbot |
| 08:02.34 | foxlit | eh? :) |
| 08:02.41 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - yay for pointless visual modification addons |
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| 08:03.19 | Kirov | My cat is sitting inside of a taco bell box on the ground. |
| 08:03.21 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, i was thinking about that, it's not as pointless as you might think |
| 08:03.21 | Kirov | ... |
| 08:04.14 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - It'd be perfectly possible to make the addon work in-combat too. The actual "clickable" area of each button doesn't change (apart from being twice as tall) |
| 08:05.04 | Thunder_Child | well that doesnt help then |
| 08:05.12 | Kirov | Exactly |
| 08:05.37 | Kirov | The real dock bar in OSX is a little smarter, icons are actually bigger |
| 08:06.15 | Kirov | hmm... might still be possible. |
| 08:06.27 | Thunder_Child | and you cant do anything with the new secure functions coming out> |
| 08:06.29 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 08:06.58 | Kirov | I could pop up a frame that's 2x as big when you mouse over something that's a copy of the original, hides when you move out of it. |
| 08:07.17 | Kirov | that would make them "more clickable", closely emulating the mac dock bar. |
| 08:07.28 | Kirov | Still ... too lazy |
| 08:07.58 | Xuerian | Ah, the great mantra and downfall of coders |
| 08:07.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lazy Kirov |
| 08:08.05 | Thunder_Child | DAMIT purl |
| 08:10.05 | DARKGuy | purl hates you. |
| 08:10.09 | Thunder_Child | ~lazy Kirov |
| 08:10.10 | purl | Kirov, you are SOOOOO lazy |
| 08:10.19 | DARKGuy | but he rocks. |
| 08:10.29 | DARKGuy | balls ftw. |
| 08:10.32 | Thunder_Child | the chasboh? |
| 08:10.37 | Thunder_Child | or however it is spelled |
| 08:10.45 | DARKGuy | o.O |
| 08:10.59 | DARKGuy | that OSX addon looks hot |
| 08:11.35 | Kirov | hehe |
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| 08:11.40 | Kirov | enjoy the bugginess |
| 08:11.49 | DARKGuy | Whee |
| 08:11.57 | Thunder_Child | blizz needs to use some vector based icon images for scaling |
| 08:12.09 | Thunder_Child | or rastor or whatever |
| 08:12.36 | Kirov | raster graphics are bitmaps, which is what they use |
| 08:12.44 | Thunder_Child | ok, then vector |
| 08:13.02 | Kirov | vector is stupidly slow |
| 08:13.20 | Thunder_Child | not in small ammounts |
| 08:13.41 | Kirov | Most modern uses of vector in games rasterize on the cpu and send it over as textures. |
| 08:13.55 | Thunder_Child | use the gpu then |
| 08:14.29 | Xuerian | mip-maps for scale, maybe.. |
| 08:14.46 | Kirov | really they just need higher res icons. |
| 08:14.50 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 08:15.03 | DARKGuy | too bad DockBar doesn't work with BT4 or other addons, I have to go default and I hate it :P |
| 08:15.06 | DARKGuy | but it's really cool. |
| 08:15.10 | Kirov | But for a game made for 1024x768 ... |
| 08:15.35 | Kirov | DARKGuy - for it to work correctly for real, it'd have to be it's own bar mod. |
| 08:15.35 | DARKGuy | I play it on 1280x1024 and the lowest UI scale possible (you can make it even smaller!) |
| 08:15.44 | Kirov | and again, the lazy factor kicks in |
| 08:15.49 | DARKGuy | yeah, it's alright |
| 08:16.07 | DARKGuy | I once had an idea of changing the WoW UI and make it have windows-like features |
| 08:16.12 | DARKGuy | a taskbar |
| 08:16.16 | DARKGuy | sidebar |
| 08:16.23 | DARKGuy | desktop icons = action buttons |
| 08:16.27 | DARKGuy | but ... too lazy :P |
| 08:16.36 | Kirov | Warcraft Vista |
| 08:16.39 | DARKGuy | haha |
| 08:16.40 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 08:16.59 | Xuerian | Ahh, Windows (r) Spellcasting |
| 08:17.17 | Kirov | I'm not sure how you'd modify every scene in the game to appear as a grassy green field |
| 08:17.17 | DARKGuy | Win+F = frostnova :3 |
| 08:17.25 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 08:17.28 | Kirov | And the cast bars would be evil |
| 08:17.30 | Xuerian | Start -> All Spells -> Evil Media (r) (c) -> EvilMedia Products (tm) -> Corruption |
| 08:17.30 | DARKGuy | Hmm |
| 08:17.36 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 08:17.50 | Thunder_Child | haters |
| 08:17.51 | Kirov | casting, casting, skip to the end, stop, go back to 1/5th, inch forward, done |
| 08:17.59 | Xuerian | XD |
| 08:18.02 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 08:18.11 | Kirov | omg, lol addon! |
| 08:18.22 | Kirov | Replace the casting bar with random windows progress bars! |
| 08:18.26 | DARKGuy | LOL |
| 08:19.15 | DARKGuy | castbar goes like: "Casting..." *bar goes full* ... resets! -> "... installing ..." *bar goes full again* -> *... applying config cast files ...* -> reset bar again... and random messages |
| 08:19.38 | DARKGuy | or a pop-up addon |
| 08:19.43 | Thunder_Child | 35% BSOD chance |
| 08:19.44 | DARKGuy | YOU WON 71278123 QUEST ITEMS |
| 08:19.54 | Xuerian | *Downloading inscription...* |
| 08:20.02 | Xuerian | *Inspecting gear configuration* |
| 08:20.14 | DARKGuy | Inspection failed. Pirated gear detected. |
| 08:20.19 | DARKGuy | Installing WGA. |
| 08:20.25 | DARKGuy | You're fucked! :D |
| 08:20.27 | Kirov | "This spell wants to modify your player's mana. Accept Deny" |
| 08:20.39 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 08:20.50 | Xuerian | lol |
| 08:20.57 | DARKGuy | Are you sure? Yes. Really sure? Yes. You swear it? Yes dammit. |
| 08:21.19 | DARKGuy | you can delete items to the recycle bin! :D |
| 08:21.30 | DARKGuy | .. which won't retrieve anything :P |
| 08:21.47 | DARKGuy | or an inventory addon |
| 08:22.07 | DARKGuy | My Player -> Items (C:) -> Weapons -> 2-H Weapons -> [Lightsaber] |
| 08:22.10 | Kirov | Actually, that'd be really really funny. Spellbook as the all programs menu |
| 08:22.39 | Kirov | My Recent Documents as your bags |
| 08:22.53 | DARKGuy | quicklaunch actionbar |
| 08:23.04 | DARKGuy | system tray = buffs :D |
| 08:23.30 | Kirov | program buttons would be targets |
| 08:23.34 | Thunder_Child | at least the search function will let you search for spells/items/etc. |
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| 08:23.43 | DARKGuy | but it'll crash |
| 08:23.53 | DARKGuy | or will find a random unrelated spell |
| 08:24.06 | Thunder_Child | and i want a taskbar for minimising other addons |
| 08:24.14 | DARKGuy | that'd be tricky |
| 08:24.42 | DARKGuy | The addon should have a welcome screen too |
| 08:24.45 | DARKGuy | where you log in :D |
| 08:24.51 | DARKGuy | and an installer in-game |
| 08:25.36 | DARKGuy | and a firewall! (Player XXXX wants to trade with you: [Block/Deny] [Allow] |
| 08:25.54 | DARKGuy | and an alert for each whisper :P |
| 08:25.58 | DARKGuy | fun. |
| 08:26.18 | DARKGuy | STOP STEALING MY IDEAS YOU SICKOS. |
| 08:26.24 | DARKGuy | <.< |
| 08:26.24 | DARKGuy | >.> |
| 08:26.30 | DARKGuy | it's not like I can get the prize anyways xD |
| 08:26.32 | DARKGuy | so have fun :P |
| 08:30.10 | Thunder_Child | " who made you judge, judy, and executioner?" |
| 08:31.02 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 08:32.08 | Fisker- | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:32.09 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
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| 08:37.31 | reqol | sex leg. |
| 08:37.36 | Industrial | Anyone play resto shaman, pve? |
| 08:37.40 | Shirik | she has the sex leg |
| 08:37.59 | reqol | 24 years old. |
| 08:38.03 | Xuerian | .... |
| 08:38.10 | Industrial | Anyone play resto shaman, pve? |
| 08:38.11 | Industrial | :p |
| 08:38.20 | Thunder_Child | this seems to be a rather random convo |
| 08:38.32 | reqol | Thunder_Child: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430244726&sid=1 |
| 08:38.51 | reqol | actually, I probably shouldn't have linked that |
| 08:39.07 | Thunder_Child | wow, thats a perma ban |
| 08:39.11 | reqol | note to anyone: it's a keylogger post, if not blantantly obvious |
| 08:39.22 | Thunder_Child | no it isnt |
| 08:39.25 | Kirov | *sigh |
| 08:39.39 | Shirik | let's see |
| 08:39.47 | Shirik | kick reqol, stab Thunder_Child, ban the rest of the world. All done. |
| 08:39.56 | Thunder_Child | just a link to tube8.com |
| 08:39.58 | reqol | you forgot the /, or ! |
| 08:40.13 | Shirik | I don't think we have fantasy commands on here |
| 08:40.16 | Shirik | !kick Shirik |
| 08:40.18 | Shirik | nope |
| 08:40.38 | Thunder_Child | if we did, there would be some REALLY weird stuff floating around |
| 08:41.16 | Thunder_Child | oh and Shirik, what did i do to diserve (sp?) a stab? |
| 08:41.16 | batbot | Thunder_Child, deserve, Di serve, Di-serve. |
| 08:41.33 | Thunder_Child | s/diserve/deserve/ |
| 08:41.34 | batbot | purl, deserve is correct. |
| 08:41.35 | purl | batbot: okay |
| 08:41.41 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Your name has an underscore :P |
| 08:41.41 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 08:42.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, so? |
| 08:42.11 | Shirik | stab |
| 08:42.19 | Shirik | your name also has a T |
| 08:43.00 | reqol | who here has a blizzard authenticator? |
| 08:43.04 | Shirik | I do |
| 08:43.08 | reqol | I want one : ( |
| 08:43.20 | Xuerian | fondling a blizzard-made object |
| 08:43.24 | Xuerian | will not make you |
| 08:43.27 | Xuerian | their equals |
| 08:43.33 | reqol | doesn't mean I can't try. |
| 08:43.35 | Xuerian | it'll only make you a object-fondler. |
| 08:43.35 | Kirov | Shirik - has social engineering hacked your account yet? |
| 08:43.50 | Kirov | Technically it's not blizzard-made. |
| 08:43.52 | Shirik | Honestly, the day after I got it was the day auctioneer started having serious trouble and locking up, so I had to constantly shut down wow and restart it |
| 08:43.56 | Shirik | just to debug |
| 08:44.01 | Shirik | that got really annoying :P |
| 08:44.02 | Kirov | No blizzard employee ever touches it. |
| 08:44.06 | Industrial | Shirik: give me yout password, now. |
| 08:44.10 | Industrial | :D? |
| 08:44.32 | Industrial | :( |
| 08:44.44 | Shirik | lua> s = ""; for x = 1,8 do s = s .. string.byte(math.random(string.char('a'), string.char('z'))) end; return s; |
| 08:44.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'char' (number expected, got string) |
| 08:44.55 | Shirik | lua> s = ""; for x = 1,8 do s = s .. string.char(math.random(string.byte('a'), string.byte('z'))) end; return s; |
| 08:44.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: vkuuxfit |
| 08:45.00 | Industrial | eheh |
| 08:45.01 | Shirik | my password is vkuuxfit |
| 08:45.33 | Kirov | It's kind of like iPhones, it's actually part of the employee handbook that no Apple employee is allowed to touch an iPhone until the owner has. This is possible because it's been touched by hundreds of chinese workers' hands, but none of whom are Apple employees. |
| 08:46.06 | Shirik | yeah it actually has some other company's name on the back of it too |
| 08:46.08 | Xuerian | racists |
| 08:46.23 | Shirik | "Digipass Go 6" |
| 08:46.38 | Kirov | Xuerian - ? |
| 08:46.39 | Shirik | http://www.vasco.com/products/product.html?product=70 |
| 08:46.55 | Xuerian | Kirov: was a sleepy joke |
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| 08:48.58 | Thunder_Child | s/sleepy/bad/ |
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| 08:50.10 | Kirov | What can I say, I don't like being near Apple employees. They make my skin crawl, it's like they're ... they're ... animals! |
| 08:51.32 | Thunder_Child | what if i said I was a apple employee? |
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| 08:52.57 | cncfanatics | haste: ping |
| 08:56.53 | Thunder_Child | wtb wowi logs from aug 2007 |
| 08:57.29 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: rofl, you still trying to find that? |
| 08:58.02 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, yes |
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| 08:58.09 | Thunder_Child | i rather do like the truth |
| 08:58.20 | Thunder_Child | regardless of what it is |
| 08:58.37 | Cairenn | the truth is I'm from Nova Scotia, currently living in Ottawa ON |
| 08:59.15 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - My real name isn't Kirov. |
| 09:00.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Kirov |
| 09:00.23 | purl | nukes Kirov with a single large nuke |
| 09:01.59 | Kirov | Silly Thunder_Child, you and your pitiful large nuke cannot hurt me! Mwahahahah, mwahahah, mwaha ... oh hey my arm just fell off *faints* |
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| 09:21.00 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, that pretty good if only your arm falls off from a nuke |
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| 09:29.04 | Thunder_Child | ~Ontario |
| 09:29.04 | purl | ontario is probably A province in the country of Canada populated by 12,160,282 Canadians, 15.62% of which are innocent, 10.2% of which are French. Its population comprises of 28.9% of Canada, it has a 1% growth rate per year, and is 35% protestant. Its capital is Toronto, containing 5.4m people. |
| 09:29.43 | Thunder_Child | ~canada |
| 09:29.43 | purl | We're really sorry we beat you at hockey in the olympics, it's just that we're much much much much MUCH better than you. |
| 09:30.04 | Thunder_Child | things sure do change |
| 09:30.15 | Thunder_Child | "(22:18:40) (purl) canada is, like, the 52 state of America. only without all the cool shit like guns.... America's hat." |
| 09:31.45 | Thunder_Child | (22:34:33) (Thunder_Child) "Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes." |
| 09:31.45 | Thunder_Child | (22:34:46) (+Esamynn) hahaha |
| 09:31.45 | Thunder_Child | (22:34:52)  -⺠Thunder_Child was kicked by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 09:33.48 | Shirik | Well, Thunder_Child, they have hockey |
| 09:34.11 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, ya, thats something to be proud of |
| 09:34.12 | Shirik | one would think that being surrounded by all that cold weather, and being the only sport they play other than log rolling, they would be good at it, but who knows |
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| 09:34.33 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
| 09:34.50 | Shirik | night :P |
| 09:35.04 | Cairenn | night Shirik|zZz, sweet dreams :) |
| 09:37.43 | Thunder_Child | "(19:53:58) (Thrae|Work) I'm American. I don't think the world exists outside of North America. And I'm doubtful about Canada." |
| 09:39.14 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i guess i dreamed it, i couldnt find it |
| 09:39.26 | Cairenn | probably because it was never said ;) |
| 09:39.53 | Thunder_Child | i usually dont make up things like that |
| 09:40.19 | Cairenn | but you, as everyone else, could be mis-remembering |
| 09:40.31 | Thunder_Child | true true |
| 09:40.41 | Thunder_Child | or it's a conspriracy |
| 09:40.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:43.18 | Kirov | conspiracies are always the most likely |
| 09:43.41 | Thunder_Child | esp. with Shirik|zZz around |
| 09:44.20 | Kirov | All those "facts" out there "proving" the conspiracy doesn't exist is just too convenient and obviously part of the conspiracy to cover up the conspiracy! |
| 09:44.57 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 09:46.13 | Kirov | I've seen that nod before! From conspirators! |
| 09:46.26 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 10:29.44 | amro | morning |
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| 11:28.51 | Adys | what's the lua function to convert hex to decimal? |
| 11:29.16 | nevcairiel | lua> tonumber("AAA", 16) |
| 11:29.16 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 2730 |
| 11:29.18 | batrick | !lua tonumber("0a", 16) |
| 11:29.19 | batbot | batrick: > 10 |
| 11:29.26 | batrick | >.> |
| 11:29.59 | Adys | lua> tonumber("20", 16) |
| 11:29.59 | lua_bot | Adys: 32 |
| 11:30.04 | Adys | awesome thanks :) |
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| 11:32.39 | pb_ee1 | I'm connected Adys, weee ! |
| 11:32.42 | pb_ee1 | Hey everyone ;) |
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| 13:55.57 | Rabbitbunny | How can I give stuff to a buddy on a trial account? |
| 13:56.36 | Cide | pay for a real account, trade him, profit |
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| 13:58.36 | Rabbitbunny | That's not quite the answer I want. |
| 13:59.22 | Daedals | has any of you got his beta key from WoWinterface or Curse? |
| 13:59.46 | Vangual | Daedals: the initial wowi key batch hasn't been submitted to blizzard yet |
| 14:00.57 | Daedals | kk |
| 14:01.13 | Daedals | Im not native english so I wasnt quite sure what the batch thing meant |
| 14:01.16 | Daedals | :P |
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| 14:04.24 | Vangual | as a pure guess, i would think curse staff was given the same deadline for their first few keys aswell |
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| 14:15.00 | Slakah | ow |
| 14:15.09 | Slakah | oops wrong chat |
| 14:19.37 | Daedals | so, the batch thing means that they send all keys at once or? |
| 14:20.07 | Mery | yes |
| 14:20.48 | Daedals | all? or part of them? |
| 14:21.21 | Mery | all that they got up to that time |
| 14:21.55 | Daedals | and nobody knows when that time is? :) |
| 14:22.07 | Cide | reeelax |
| 14:24.25 | Daedals | cant :D |
| 14:24.31 | Daedals | I want to get in :D |
| 14:25.49 | Daedals | ffs I want there now :D |
| 14:25.58 | Daedals | cant wait for it |
| 14:26.24 | Pneumatus | just hope the realms are a bit more stable by the time the autors get their keys :> |
| 14:27.35 | Daedals | :P |
| 14:27.43 | Daedals | I still want there now :D |
| 14:37.27 | p3lim | im making a blizzard frame movably by using :SetMovable(true) and :SetUserPlaced(true), but the frame doesnt save its position |
| 14:37.48 | p3lim | and, is it possible to set a default position like that? |
| 14:38.29 | Mikk | http://mikk.cjb.net/temp/airwolftest.mp3 <- think i'm starting to liek it... addon inc next! |
| 14:38.37 | p3lim | is there some specific event I must load it on? (currently running it on PLAYER_LOGIN |
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| 14:59.30 | haste | cncfanatics: pong |
| 15:00.34 | cncfanatics | haste: you're the author of oUF right ? |
| 15:01.58 | p3lim | yes he is |
| 15:06.43 | cncfanatics | haste: I was wondering if you'd mind making a oUF_QuickHealth module or intregrating it in your addon |
| 15:08.54 | haste | quickhealth? |
| 15:09.40 | Slakah | tracks combatlog and updates the healthbar slightly faster |
| 15:11.51 | haste | sounds pretty useless based on that :p |
| 15:13.07 | Slakah | jup |
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| 15:16.58 | laeg | warcraft version 2.4.3 = ## Interface: 24300 right? |
| 15:17.09 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:17.13 | nevcairiel | 20400 |
| 15:17.16 | laeg | ty |
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| 15:18.59 | cncfanatics | haste: its handy for healers imo :p |
| 15:19.03 | laeg | example: ## Title: My Add On |
| 15:19.14 | laeg | Tip: Make sure you do not have any extra spaces at the end of the line with the filename specified. If you do, the extra space is taken as part of the filename and will cause your AddOn to silently fail to load. |
| 15:19.23 | laeg | ## Title: myaddon.lua? |
| 15:19.51 | laeg | there's no other reference in this part of the guide to a name or filename |
| 15:20.05 | p3lim | laeg: http://www.wowwiki.com/TOC |
| 15:20.38 | laeg | ty |
| 15:21.31 | p3lim | laeg: at the bottom you find an example |
| 15:21.47 | laeg | :) |
| 15:22.20 | laeg | i hope that this is all worth while and when blizzard take macros server side i can transfer my macro's larger than 255 there |
| 15:24.15 | p3lim | you still have the option to keep keybindings/macros client side, if you wish so |
| 15:24.41 | p3lim | cncfanatics: you can write a plugin for oUF |
| 15:25.29 | cncfanatics | p3lim: ofc I can |
| 15:25.38 | cncfanatics | wld just need to know the method used to itterate over unitframes then :) |
| 15:26.41 | Vangual | didn't slouken specifically say that the 255char limit won't be lifted? |
| 15:27.26 | p3lim | you can hook it into UNIT_HEALTH or something |
| 15:27.31 | p3lim | no idea how that lib works |
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| 15:34.27 | laeg | p3lim: clientside nice |
| 15:34.45 | haste | cncfanatics: you have oUF.units which is index-ed with the unitid, and oUF.objects which is index-ed by the item |
| 15:35.27 | haste | cncfanatics: I would want to change the last one however, but I need to check if anyone uses it |
| 15:39.37 | zenzelezz | zomgpeppy! |
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| 15:40.45 | Hapnintwo | Hello |
| 15:41.07 | zenzelezz | hi |
| 15:43.02 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzelezz. |
| 15:45.01 | p3lim | haste: I think a few plugins are using it |
| 15:45.15 | haste | all are |
| 15:45.30 | haste | and they all break with this commit |
| 15:45.40 | haste | one line change however |
| 15:54.09 | laeg | for pvp human or gnome rogue? |
| 15:54.34 | Lopeppeppy | Gnome. Extra trick of escape artist, and smaller target size. But human if rep gain is uber important to you. |
| 15:54.43 | laeg | i chose gnome |
| 15:55.04 | Lopeppeppy | Gnomes are fun times. |
| 15:55.13 | laeg | Lopeppeppy: but gnomes can eventually reach the rep |
| 15:55.17 | laeg | it will just take longer |
| 15:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Just takes a bit longer, and if you're dedicated, the advantage of skill choice outweighs the extra grind. IMO |
| 15:55.36 | selckin | Anyone know if there is a difference in spell names etc betwean es_MX and es_ES, en_US and en_GB ? |
| 15:55.40 | laeg | lots of people are saying human is better because of perceptiojn |
| 15:56.00 | laeg | it bothers me a lot because i might have made the wrong choice :) |
| 15:56.09 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Perception is nice, but so is escape artist. |
| 15:56.17 | Lopeppeppy | Know how to use what you've got, and you'll do well. |
| 15:56.26 | laeg | i do |
| 15:56.29 | zenzelezz | <Lopeppeppy> Know how to use what you've got, and you'll do well. <--- naughty |
| 15:56.36 | laeg | i have it in a nice macro with cloak of shadows and my insignia :) |
| 15:57.02 | laeg | i just hope in arena i don't usually do well against other rogues but against human rogues usually fail |
| 15:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, you've known that all along, don't act innocent with me. :) |
| 15:57.38 | laeg | there must be a strategy for beating perception other than guessing when they pop it |
| 15:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | Perception has a cooldown too, laeg. |
| 15:57.48 | laeg | paper, scissors, rock |
| 15:57.52 | laeg | ya i know |
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| 16:00.34 | laeg | can i leave out the line #dependencies and #url when i have none in my toc |
| 16:00.43 | laeg | or do i do #dependencies: none #url: none |
| 16:01.01 | foxlit | leave them out |
| 16:01.29 | laeg | thanks |
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| 16:05.01 | Guest572 | hello |
| 16:05.09 | Guest572 | can some 1 help me install an addon?? |
| 16:06.01 | Xuerian | ..... well...one would hope so |
| 16:06.32 | laeg | Guest572: put in in world of warcraft/interface/addons |
| 16:06.40 | laeg | s/in/it |
| 16:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | There are detailed directions in the Addons FAQ stickied on the WoW forums. Did you check there? It's much easier than typing it all out here again. |
| 16:07.30 | Drundia | it's all relative... |
| 16:07.38 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442927843&sid=1 |
| 16:07.57 | Drundia | for you it's easier to direct him elsewhere, for him it's easier to stay here and wait for someone to answer |
| 16:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | Or maybe not. *gentle shrug* |
| 16:33.49 | laeg | warglaive of azeroth is a great sword but it looks shit imho |
| 16:34.06 | laeg | i still want them but i just wish it looked better |
| 16:34.14 | |pez| | I want a pool in my garden |
| 16:34.22 | laeg | it looks like something from the draenei planet :) |
| 16:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | I want koi in my pond. |
| 16:34.37 | laeg | |pez|: if you build it they will come |
| 16:34.49 | laeg | what's koi? |
| 16:35.11 | Lopeppeppy | Koi are... um, easy explanation are giant carp goldfishes. |
| 16:35.51 | Lopeppeppy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koi |
| 16:36.10 | |pez| | laeg: what will come? :P |
| 16:37.21 | Lopeppeppy | My koi, mostly |
| 16:37.35 | |pez| | Ahaa |
| 16:38.20 | |pez| | I have great ideas for the mother and father inlaws' house. :P |
| 16:39.19 | |pez| | like... a pool thing in the garden, preforably with a waterfall like effect of some sort. |
| 16:39.24 | laeg | |pez|: hoes, hoes will come! |
| 16:39.39 | laeg | garden hoes for you pool :) |
| 16:39.47 | |pez| | .... XD |
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| 16:42.12 | Shirik | Definitely a sign your namespaces are way too deep: |
| 16:42.28 | Shirik | member `class erau::SercomMessage erau::SerialManager::start()::SercomMessageBlob::message' with constructor not allowed in union |
| 16:43.51 | Lopeppeppy | I believe you. Make some nicknames. :P |
| 16:44.16 | Shirik | I'm not actually quite sure how start() got in there |
| 16:44.38 | Shirik | oh because SercomMessageBlob is defined within a function, lol |
| 16:44.41 | Shirik | This needs to be restructured |
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| 16:44.54 | clad|away | h8 c++ |
| 16:44.57 | Lopeppeppy | There ya go. *poke* |
| 16:45.09 | Shirik | oh come on, clad|away, you know you like it |
| 16:45.24 | Shirik | I have a union containing two classes, one of which contains a union which contains one of 3 structures, two of which contain a class |
| 16:45.26 | Shirik | rofl |
| 16:46.19 | Shirik | Yeah this is everything bad about C++ wrapped in one tiny package >.> |
| 16:46.38 | Lopeppeppy | With a lot of sharp pointy edges to perforate your code. |
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| 17:04.23 | Xuerian | wow, just got desynched from the server o_0 |
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| 17:06.00 | Sixen1 | -_- |
| 17:06.04 | Sixen1 | Sixen needs to disconnect, ;( |
| 17:06.33 | Xuerian | and now itwon't let me backin |
| 17:06.34 | Xuerian | awesome |
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| 17:08.33 | zenzelezz | Sixen1: /ns ghost ? |
| 17:11.09 | Sixen1 | ! |
| 17:11.13 | Sixen1 | <3 |
| 17:11.59 | sixen | ew |
| 17:12.02 | sixen | I want to be Sixen not sixen |
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| 17:15.18 | laeg | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96721#post96721 |
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| 17:28.33 | p3lim | laeg you fail :( |
| 17:29.37 | p3lim | why not just click buttons normally like everybody else? |
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| 17:32.31 | Shirik | laeg: Did you restart WoW since you made the TOC file? |
| 17:32.41 | Shirik | i.e., fully shut it down and open it back up? |
| 17:35.43 | p3lim | Shirik: the xml is still not finished, doubth it works at all |
| 17:35.57 | Shirik | If it's not even in the addons list... |
| 17:35.57 | p3lim | and he havent made any buttons, just a attribute |
| 17:36.21 | p3lim | maybe his folder has diffrent name than the toc file |
| 17:36.27 | p3lim | never know |
| 17:36.50 | Shirik | read the post :P |
| 17:36.58 | Shirik | according to him, it is |
| 17:37.10 | Shirik | it is in the same name* |
| 17:37.47 | p3lim | ok |
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| 17:43.28 | laeg | p3lim: no wai! |
| 17:43.35 | laeg | Shirik: i did i did |
| 17:43.55 | p3lim | hmm |
| 17:44.16 | p3lim | If i dont put any events or anything around an addon, what event does it run on? |
| 17:44.57 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 17:46.13 | p3lim | http://pastey.net/92564 |
| 17:46.34 | p3lim | if that was the whole entry into an addon's lua, what event would that load with? |
| 17:47.24 | zenzelezz | none I think. It would generate an ADDON_LOADED after it was done IIRC |
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| 17:49.14 | p3lim | ok |
| 17:50.47 | laeg | a guy on the forums says i need a dependencies line and an lua file |
| 17:51.02 | zenzelezz | people on the forums say a lot of weird things |
| 17:51.19 | zenzelezz | you only need a dependencies line if you have any dependencies |
| 17:51.40 | laeg | ya that's why i didn't include one :) |
| 17:52.18 | laeg | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96724#post96722 |
| 17:52.39 | laeg | and a header in the xml file referring to the lua |
| 17:53.41 | p3lim | laeg: http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_basics |
| 17:53.52 | p3lim | laeg: carefully read through the whole page |
| 17:54.25 | p3lim | might aswell read http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_user_interface |
| 17:55.21 | zenzelezz | laeg: did yu check the FrameXML.log file for errors? If the code you posted in that thread is correct then you have one too many </OnClick>, and a "/" that serves no purpose |
| 17:55.59 | zenzelezz | (I haven't paid attention to the discussion before this) |
| 17:56.43 | laeg | p3lim: kk ty |
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| 17:56.51 | laeg | zenzelezz: it now looks like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30977/ |
| 17:56.56 | laeg | trying... |
| 17:57.14 | zenzelezz | nevermind then =) |
| 17:57.31 | p3lim | btw laeg, why not lua? |
| 17:57.36 | p3lim | xml is... old.. |
| 17:57.42 | zenzelezz | let him use what he wants |
| 17:57.51 | zenzelezz | the whole lua vs. XML for WoW debate never gets anywhere |
| 17:58.06 | zenzelezz | laeg: is that a snippet of the XML file or the entire XML file? |
| 17:58.39 | laeg | entire xml file |
| 17:58.51 | zenzelezz | you're missing the <Ui> tag for one thing then |
| 17:58.56 | laeg | p3lim|afk: i had it saves as GSHB.lua but seerah said "Second, that's xml code above, not lua." so i changed it to .xml |
| 17:59.01 | p3lim|afk | zenzelezz: let him read through those docs |
| 17:59.14 | laeg | zenzelezz: i tried after removing the </OnClick> and "/" - no dice |
| 17:59.22 | zenzelezz | laeg: like I said, <Ui> tag |
| 17:59.33 | p3lim|afk | yeah, I just think that xml aint usable (personal opinion ofcourse) |
| 17:59.46 | zenzelezz | and as p3lim said, the wiki documents do say how to properly do the XML thing |
| 17:59.50 | zenzelezz | just takes some reading =) |
| 17:59.54 | laeg | kk |
| 18:00.12 | laeg | i will look for the <Ui> tag in the docs p3lim linked me |
| 18:00.20 | p3lim|afk | laeg: read, when youre done reading you work on your addon, if you still have some questions, please dont hesitate asking here |
| 18:00.21 | laeg | while i'm reading both entire pages :) |
| 18:00.22 | laeg | thanks guys |
| 18:00.38 | laeg | p3lim|afk: cool, i will ask only after reading |
| 18:05.05 | Shirik | ok so we're all familiar with gold spam |
| 18:05.26 | Shirik | someone in my guild just got a porn ad in-game >.> |
| 18:05.50 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 18:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 18:06.00 | clad|away | hawt |
| 18:06.44 | malreth | porn ad... how does that work? |
| 18:07.06 | Lopeppeppy | Same as a gold ad. "For hot chicks, visit mypornsite dot org" |
| 18:07.14 | laeg | there's a post on the euro forums |
| 18:07.23 | laeg | "some of my teacher's naked pictures" |
| 18:07.33 | laeg | goes on to talk about how she's 24 and hawt etc |
| 18:07.46 | laeg | links to what can only be described as a sex yuotube |
| 18:07.48 | Shirik | and has sex leg |
| 18:07.53 | malreth | hmm... problem is that would only appeal to women since men don't read porn |
| 18:08.01 | laeg | sex leg ftw. |
| 18:08.05 | p3lim|afk | id be trilled if some level 1 warrior in SW went ( . )( . ) in whispers at me xD |
| 18:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, right malreth |
| 18:08.16 | laeg | malreth: i read it for the articles. |
| 18:09.20 | laeg | p3lim: sounds like 5318008 upside calculator humour! |
| 18:09.21 | malreth | ( Y ) lookit them thighs! |
| 18:09.26 | laeg | phwoar. |
| 18:09.46 | laeg | *upside down |
| 18:09.47 | Lopeppeppy | Um. Sure. |
| 18:10.03 | |pez| | Sometimes, you all scare me. |
| 18:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | Borrow a girlfriend. :P |
| 18:10.38 | malreth | it's hot outside |
| 18:10.42 | malreth | too damn hot |
| 18:10.49 | Lopeppeppy | Take a cold shower then, dear. |
| 18:10.55 | malreth | and i have to scrub the cat litter box clean |
| 18:11.00 | malreth | this is a nasty job |
| 18:11.31 | |pez| | Do it, and reward yourself with a beer |
| 18:11.38 | malreth | i need mike rowe to come help me with this one |
| 18:11.48 | malreth | i drinked my last beer yesterday |
| 18:11.51 | malreth | :( |
| 18:11.56 | |pez| | Aww ::( |
| 18:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | Get some before you do the job. |
| 18:12.03 | cog|away | l2buymoar |
| 18:12.13 | malreth | if only i could get beer delivered |
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| 18:12.16 | malreth | my car broke |
| 18:12.16 | |pez| | Mike Rowe... that's te dude who does shitty jobs, isn't it? |
| 18:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | Some places you can, malreth |
| 18:12.26 | malreth | i could bus to the store, tho |
| 18:12.28 | Lopeppeppy | |pez|, correct |
| 18:12.30 | |pez| | malreth: life sucks, doesn't it. XD |
| 18:12.44 | |pez| | Mike Row is funny. Seen his show... once |
| 18:12.46 | malreth | it does, sometimes |
| 18:13.02 | malreth | don't have the money to fix it until after the wedding, tho |
| 18:13.15 | |pez| | huh, weddings are scary |
| 18:13.21 | malreth | scary expensive |
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| 18:13.26 | Lopeppeppy | Elope. |
| 18:13.43 | p3lim | shame they have time limits on when stores are allowed to sell beer in norway :/ |
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| 18:13.44 | malreth | an option only if i wanted to be disowned by her family |
| 18:14.03 | p3lim | 8 o clock, im 15 mins late :( |
| 18:14.24 | malreth | p3lim: they have the same sort of thing here in the southern US |
| 18:14.25 | p3lim | cncfanatics: whats up with your nick? :s |
| 18:14.30 | |pez| | p3lim: luckily, I don't like beer! |
| 18:14.40 | p3lim | nothing beats a cold pint |
| 18:15.00 | |pez| | p3lim: oh, a strawberry daquiri beats it in a second. |
| 18:15.09 | p3lim | eew |
| 18:15.13 | p3lim | sugar drinks |
| 18:15.14 | |pez| | Mmm! |
| 18:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.21 | |pez| | yummy! |
| 18:15.24 | p3lim | *pukes* |
| 18:15.37 | |pez| | the best part is actually the sugar around the top of the glass! XD |
| 18:15.44 | malreth | blueberry? |
| 18:15.47 | cog|away | that sounds awesome |
| 18:16.03 | Lopeppeppy | It was sooooo good cog|away, soooo good. |
| 18:17.33 | Tuller | nanannanaanananananana |
| 18:18.00 | |pez| | so, p3lim, norway huh? |
| 18:18.10 | p3lim | |pez|: yap |
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| 18:18.22 | |pez| | whereabouts? |
| 18:18.24 | p3lim | mid |
| 18:18.39 | malreth | midgard? |
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| 18:18.41 | malreth | awesome! |
| 18:18.45 | p3lim | !;D |
| 18:18.47 | |pez| | Iiihihi |
| 18:18.50 | |pez| | <- Bergen |
| 18:18.58 | p3lim | cewl :) |
| 18:19.03 | p3lim | < trønder |
| 18:19.14 | |pez| | Do you have a trønderbart? :o |
| 18:19.25 | Shaone | Are there any packs of WoW textures I can download? I'm looking for a few specific ones like desert terrain and the wood texture used on the boats. |
| 18:20.08 | p3lim | nah :p |
| 18:20.10 | clad|away | well those are models |
| 18:20.22 | p3lim | im just 18 |
| 18:20.26 | clad|away | and you'd have to get them from the MPQ files |
| 18:20.36 | clad|away | they're not just simple textures, tho |
| 18:20.37 | malreth | Shaone: you could get an mpq decoder and extract them from the game's files |
| 18:20.47 | Shaone | Hm |
| 18:20.55 | |pez| | p3lim: aww, you ruin my belief they you're all born with trønderbart.... |
| 18:21.00 | malreth | they'll be .blps |
| 18:21.21 | clad|away | they will? |
| 18:21.28 | p3lim | |pez|: thats why there are razors |
| 18:21.45 | malreth | won't they? |
| 18:21.46 | |pez| | p3lim: if you say so! |
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| 18:21.58 | |pez| | I should fine a razor and go over my legs... -__-' |
| 18:22.17 | Mikk | textures are still .blps afaik |
| 18:22.26 | clad|away | yeah, i think i'm getting confused :P |
| 18:22.37 | p3lim | |pez|: I hope youre a girl |
| 18:22.41 | p3lim | >_> |
| 18:22.46 | malreth | she is, iirc |
| 18:22.47 | Mikk | though i'm not sure if they're directly reachable or packed into something else |
| 18:23.00 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: but what would it matter either way? :P |
| 18:23.10 | p3lim | was getting awkward... sugar drinks, shaving legs.. got me thinking :s |
| 18:23.26 | clad|away | yep, you guys are right |
| 18:23.29 | clad|away | and they're everywhere |
| 18:24.03 | clad|away | Tileset/TANARIS/TanarisSandBase02_s.blp |
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| 18:24.45 | |pez| | p3lim: what makes you think I'm a girl?! ;___; |
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| 18:25.02 | |pez| | (but yes, I am) |
| 18:25.08 | malreth | ~gender |pez| |
| 18:25.09 | purl | I heard |pez| is female. |
| 18:25.14 | malreth | ~botsnack |
| 18:25.15 | purl | :), malreth |
| 18:27.01 | clad|away | i should start some laundry |
| 18:27.02 | clad|away | brb |
| 18:27.02 | p3lim | purl can be scary some times |
| 18:27.03 | cog|away | ~gender malreth |
| 18:27.04 | purl | I heard malreth is lesbian. |
| 18:27.07 | p3lim | lol |
| 18:27.08 | malreth | lol |
| 18:27.20 | |pez| | wahaa :D |
| 18:27.23 | p3lim | ~gender p3lim |
| 18:27.24 | purl | I heard p3lim is pregnant. |
| 18:27.28 | p3lim | orly? |
| 18:27.34 | malreth | purl, good job |
| 18:27.35 | purl | Good job, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 18:27.47 | cog|away | ~lart the cookie jar |
| 18:27.48 | purl | beats the cookie jar into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 18:27.52 | cncfanatics | p3lim: whats up with my nick ? |
| 18:28.11 | p3lim | yeah changes alot between 1 and s |
| 18:28.21 | malreth | nick collisions. |
| 18:28.36 | p3lim | so cncfanatic1 is your 2nd nick? |
| 18:28.38 | malreth | either he's moving between two computers |
| 18:28.42 | p3lim | as mine is p3lim^ |
| 18:32.35 | foxlit | hm, p3. |
| 18:33.11 | foxlit | I was actually looking for p13 :) |
| 18:33.43 | malreth | back to cleaning the rest of the stupid litter box |
| 18:33.56 | malreth | i'm starting to regret buying this robotic one |
| 18:34.12 | cog|away | malreth: which robotic one? |
| 18:34.18 | malreth | the litter robot |
| 18:34.29 | malreth | http://www.litter-robot.com/ |
| 18:34.34 | Fisker- | WORLD SERVER DOWN cog|away |
| 18:34.37 | malreth | it's great, day in day out |
| 18:34.44 | malreth | until you have to really clean it out |
| 18:34.52 | malreth | the top part can be hosed out |
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| 18:35.04 | p3lim | malreth: hahah wtf? |
| 18:35.07 | cog|away | we just got http://www.catgenie.com/ |
| 18:35.07 | foxlit | Hm |
| 18:35.10 | malreth | unless you live in an apartment complex that has no water faucets to hook up a hose |
| 18:35.10 | foxlit | "Cat goes where?" |
| 18:35.28 | p3lim | Here in norway we just let the cats out |
| 18:35.42 | malreth | cog|away: let me know how that works for you... we didn't have the space for the genie at this place |
| 18:35.50 | malreth | but if we ever get a house, i plan on switching |
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| 18:35.59 | malreth | i think Cairenn has one too |
| 18:36.04 | cog|away | So far it's working great |
| 18:36.32 | malreth | the problem with the robot is the bottom half with the electronics and motorized mechanism |
| 18:36.36 | malreth | there's no easy way to clean it |
| 18:37.21 | p3lim | Ive got two cats, i just let them out of the house if they need to do that kinda business |
| 18:37.42 | p3lim | I dont store their dumps into electric boxes.. lol |
| 18:37.56 | cog|away | p3lim: i don't store mine either... |
| 18:38.03 | cog|away | it automatically flushes it into the toilet :P |
| 18:38.25 | p3lim | lol |
| 18:38.26 | cog|away | http://www.catgenie.com/about-catgenie/2-video-demos/ |
| 18:38.35 | |pez| | I'm so wanting a catgenie if I ever get a... ferret. :P |
| 18:38.37 | p3lim | oh god, no.. kitty porn |
| 18:38.52 | malreth | kitty scat porn |
| 18:39.09 | cog|away | we have a really bitchy cat that will piss on the floor/laundry if he doesn't have a clean litter box and we don't let our cats stay outside while we're away from home |
| 18:40.34 | p3lim | cog|away: dip his face into it |
| 18:40.37 | p3lim | like you do with dogs |
| 18:40.48 | p3lim | that teaches the animal not to piss everywhere |
| 18:40.48 | |pez| | p3lim: you can't really let your cats out everywhere like we do in Norway |
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| 18:41.09 | malreth | i'm used to indoor cats |
| 18:41.19 | p3lim | ive never had a indoor cat |
| 18:41.21 | malreth | where i grew up, if you let a cat outside, it was a death sentence |
| 18:41.29 | p3lim | lol? :p |
| 18:41.33 | p3lim | wait.. |
| 18:41.42 | p3lim | does cats cost anything for you? |
| 18:41.47 | malreth | you'd find pieces of the carcass everywhere after the coyotes had their meal |
| 18:41.51 | malreth | not pretty |
| 18:41.54 | p3lim | cause in norway they are free, so if you lose one you can just get another |
| 18:42.10 | malreth | i've only ever picked up strays |
| 18:42.22 | |pez| | p3lim: not all cats are free. :P |
| 18:42.23 | p3lim | think ive had like 12 cats or so since i was a kid |
| 18:42.25 | malreth | but there's expenses like shots and tags |
| 18:42.49 | p3lim | 1 tag, shot every 2nd year |
| 18:43.19 | malreth | and food... i'm especially picky about pet food |
| 18:43.25 | p3lim | how come? |
| 18:43.33 | malreth | i avoid anything with animal byproducts |
| 18:43.34 | p3lim | you dont like fat ones? |
| 18:43.51 | malreth | which is a technical way of saying "ground up diseased cows" |
| 18:43.54 | p3lim | one of my two cats has a weight of 10,2kg |
| 18:44.39 | malreth | that's big |
| 18:45.02 | malreth | my cat's around 15 lbs (7kg) |
| 18:45.06 | |pez| | I wouldn't really give my cat just any kind of random food. :P |
| 18:45.40 | p3lim | malreth: i just saw the "How it works" flash video on Litter Robot |
| 18:45.53 | cog|away | i'm less picky about my cats than my dog |
| 18:45.56 | p3lim | what if the timer bugs and the cat is still inside? ever occured? :p |
| 18:45.57 | p3lim | xD |
| 18:46.05 | malreth | p3lim: never happened |
| 18:46.16 | malreth | there's all sorts of failsafes built in |
| 18:46.21 | |pez| | the dog here ate some friskies thing, which had pasta in it. -__- |
| 18:46.24 | p3lim | haha |
| 18:46.31 | |pez| | I can't see how that's beneficial to a dog. |
| 18:46.42 | p3lim | i just imagine the cat still inside when it starts spinning xD |
| 18:47.10 | malreth | p3lim: there's a weight sensor inside that determines if a cat's inside or not |
| 18:47.19 | p3lim | what if its a kitten? |
| 18:47.44 | malreth | if it's a kitten, the unit won't trigger in the first place |
| 18:47.47 | p3lim | and weight sensors _can_ fail too :p |
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| 18:48.12 | malreth | if the sensors fail, there's another set on the motor itself that detects if it's working harder than usual |
| 18:48.35 | p3lim | what if both fails? |
| 18:48.42 | p3lim | i just want to see a spinning cat lol |
| 18:48.43 | p3lim | :p |
| 18:48.45 | malreth | if that fails, there's another sensor across the interior poop doors that detects if something is caught, like a tail |
| 18:49.18 | |pez| | I'm imagening the CatGenie being a better option really. |
| 18:49.37 | malreth | the beauty of the catgenie is it's truly self cleaning |
| 18:49.44 | malreth | but you have to have the space for it |
| 18:49.47 | |pez| | Yeah |
| 18:49.55 | |pez| | I'd love to get one if I got a ferret. :P |
| 18:50.07 | malreth | there's no room in our laundry or bathrooms |
| 18:50.22 | |pez| | Not in my appartment either. |
| 18:50.35 | |pez| | but if we ever take over this house, it's like a TON of space to choose from. XD |
| 18:50.52 | malreth | *nod nod* |
| 18:51.10 | |pez| | We're dog and house sitting for the boyfriends parents. |
| 18:51.15 | |pez| | It's a really large house. |
| 18:51.23 | malreth | kill them and move in |
| 18:51.27 | malreth | wait |
| 18:51.29 | malreth | no... |
| 18:51.34 | |pez| | Oh, the thought has struck my mind. ;P |
| 18:51.35 | malreth | that's what the evil voice says to do |
| 18:52.13 | malreth | problem with that plan is if the relationship goes sour, you'll end up having to kill the boyfriend, too |
| 18:52.47 | malreth | then there's all kinds of endless questions that you'll have to answer |
| 18:52.56 | malreth | and you have to get them *all* correct |
| 18:53.20 | |pez| | Eehehe XD |
| 18:53.36 | |pez| | the boyfriend would probably be the easiest one to kill, in ways of explaining. :P |
| 18:54.09 | malreth | otherwise, you'll really Reiser it up |
| 18:54.25 | |pez| | Reiser it up? 0.o |
| 18:54.46 | malreth | what... is it too soon to make that joke yet? |
| 18:55.00 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, not at all |
| 18:55.03 | |pez| | I have no idea what it means? >__> |
| 18:55.51 | malreth | hans reiser, designer of the reiserfs, was charged with the murder of his wife |
| 18:56.29 | malreth | he tried to construct an elaborate coverup story and alibi that can only be described as "pointlessly stupid" |
| 18:56.47 | malreth | he also didn't know when to shut up |
| 18:57.15 | |pez| | My boyfriend has diabetes, and it'd be easy enough to just... let him die of one of his hypoglycemic moments. |
| 18:57.42 | selckin | thats where you go "screenshotted" and ask for gold |
| 18:58.07 | malreth | the victims in that case were Nina, the woman he murdered, his children for the trauma inflicted upon them, and his defense lawyer who could only sit with his head in his hands as his client gave the court and jury all the evidence necessary to convict him |
| 18:58.23 | |pez| | Haha |
| 18:58.30 | |pez| | poor folks. :\ |
| 18:58.44 | |pez| | anyway, the dog went outside in the garden, I should watch him so he doesn't go away. |
| 19:00.49 | |pez| | this dog is awesome in his old days. |
| 19:00.57 | |pez| | he just goes into the garden, pees, and comes back again |
| 19:01.10 | |pez| | and if he ever tried to run off, he'd be like 5meters down the road, cause he's so slow. :P |
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| 19:15.54 | Osstia|mac | does anyone here play on a mac? |
| 19:15.57 | Osstia|mac | I am seeing an issue popping up recently on the mac client that I can't seem to find any help with. At times I cannot login. I get the user/pass prompt, click login, and the game appears to hang. |
| 19:16.01 | Osstia|mac | I can't imagine this is addon related, as it doesn't appear to even authenticate me |
| 19:16.04 | Osstia|mac | but I can login on the same network from a PC just fine |
| 19:16.26 | malreth | addons aren't even loaded until you get to the progress bar screen |
| 19:16.39 | Osstia|mac | thats what I thought |
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| 19:16.51 | malreth | hey, Iriel |
| 19:18.09 | malreth | tried posting on the mac tech support forum, Osstia|mac? |
| 19:18.37 | malreth | there may already even be a faq about it |
| 19:18.48 | Osstia|mac | I haven't posted yet. I've spent about 2 hours reaading them and haven't seen anything like this |
| 19:19.09 | Osstia|mac | I'll head there next. Thanks for the replies though |
| 19:19.34 | malreth | fwiw, i haven't had that problem on my mbp |
| 19:21.30 | malreth | only things i could suggest would be rebooting or logging in to the mac os as a different user to see if it's a problem with your user account |
| 19:23.11 | malreth | my dog is eating his tail |
| 19:24.20 | Osstia|mac | is it tasty? |
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| 19:25.15 | malreth | it's bleeding... |
| 19:25.28 | malreth | stupid dog |
| 19:25.58 | malreth | i have this spray stuff that keeps him from chewing on his fur |
| 19:26.06 | malreth | i think he's got a skin allergy or something |
| 19:26.25 | malreth | or... he's allergic to this spray stuff that keeps him from chewing on his fur |
| 19:26.26 | Mikk | allergic to skin? shit, that's gotta suck |
| 19:26.39 | malreth | it does |
| 19:26.59 | Slix | Hmm, when I use TomTom, I get a weird error and the arrow is.. garbled. |
| 19:27.01 | malreth | eczema runs in my family |
| 19:27.22 | malreth | my mom and my sister exhibit symptoms of it from time to time |
| 19:27.31 | malreth | i've had a couple reactions in my life |
| 19:28.04 | Slix | Its very odd.. |
| 19:33.40 | Seerah | malreth: my dog is the same way |
| 19:34.07 | Seerah | he currently has red spots on each arm and his belly has dark spots on it from chewing at it too much :( |
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| 19:50.22 | malreth | "If the hat ain't red, it belongs on your head!" |
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| 19:58.49 | Thunder_Child | malreth, dubble you tee eff |
| 19:59.56 | Thunder_Child | double* |
| 20:01.39 | Fisker- | cog|away |
| 20:01.44 | Fisker- | it is very important |
| 20:01.55 | Fisker- | how do you get in to anub'arak in azjol-nerub? |
| 20:02.32 | cog|away | ... what gives you the impression i'd know such a thing? :P |
| 20:02.40 | Fisker- | fu ;_; |
| 20:03.33 | cog|away | anyone have a link to that annotated dalaran map |
| 20:03.35 | cog|away | ? |
| 20:04.08 | Vangual | it's on wowwiki's 3.0 portal, don't have direct link atm sorry |
| 20:04.22 | cog|away | ah thanks |
| 20:06.58 | Vangual | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Dalaran_beta_map.jpg |
| 20:08.35 | |pez| | is wotlk beta closed btw? |
| 20:08.36 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Azjol-Nerub_map.jpg? |
| 20:08.41 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Azjol-Nerub_map.jpg ? |
| 20:08.42 | |pez| | like.. not for everyone. :P |
| 20:08.49 | Thunder_Child | yes |pez| |
| 20:08.56 | Thunder_Child | invite only atm |
| 20:09.02 | |pez| | How can one get an invite? |
| 20:09.20 | cog|away | you can get a chance to get an invite on your account management page |
| 20:09.22 | Thunder_Child | make an addon, and get one through wowi or sign up for one |
| 20:09.24 | cog|away | (beta opt-in) |
| 20:09.26 | Thunder_Child | at wows site |
| 20:09.27 | malreth | for you, my friend, $50 |
| 20:09.31 | cog|away | or if you make an addon sign up at wowi |
| 20:09.48 | |pez| | Northrent btw, looks a tad like Africa |
| 20:10.33 | |pez| | Waah, I don't have time to play WoW now, even though I'm wanting to start playing again. -__-' |
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| 20:31.12 | Fisker- | i hate you cog|away |
| 20:31.39 | Fisker- | you can't get into anub'arak btw ;_; |
| 20:31.42 | Fisker- | also |
| 20:31.48 | Fisker- | boss 1 = fun for death knights :D |
| 20:31.54 | Fisker- | solo healed the whole encounter! |
| 20:33.02 | cncfanatics | healed |
| 20:33.04 | cncfanatics | ? |
| 20:33.28 | Corrodias | DK is healer now |
| 20:33.35 | Corrodias | did you not get the memo? |
| 20:34.09 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 20:34.21 | cncfanatics | did they change the trees to holy, restoration and eh, holyration ? |
| 20:34.39 | Fisker- | nah cncfanatics |
| 20:34.41 | Fisker- | blood tree |
| 20:34.48 | Fisker- | look for blood aura |
| 20:37.03 | Fisker- | do you comprehend cncfanatics? |
| 20:38.15 | cncfanatics | me comprehends that you fail epicaly |
| 20:38.22 | Fisker- | nope |
| 20:38.49 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, i didnt think DK's get enough healing from abilitys to make a huge diff |
| 20:39.09 | cncfanatics | Thunder_Child: the boss prolly just does stupidly low dmg |
| 20:39.14 | Fisker- | nah |
| 20:39.18 | Fisker- | he spawns hundreds of adds |
| 20:39.22 | Fisker- | and they all give experience |
| 20:39.36 | Fisker- | i.e. look for vendetta |
| 20:39.50 | cncfanatics | ah heh |
| 20:40.00 | cncfanatics | lil question |
| 20:40.08 | cncfanatics | does vendetta work at lvl 80 ? as mobs don't give xp anymore ? |
| 20:40.14 | cncfanatics | I supose it'll work on mobs that are at least green |
| 20:40.40 | Thunder_Child | doest it require you get the KB though? |
| 20:41.40 | cncfanatics | prolly |
| 20:46.53 | malreth | http://www.hungrymantv.com/shorts.php?vid=tarantinos_mind |
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| 20:47.16 | malreth | interesting little short movie about the Tarantino Code |
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| 20:59.03 | Fisker- | yeah Thunder_Child as far as i know |
| 21:00.22 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, me, the odds are you wont get the KB in a raid or even a party is slim |
| 21:00.44 | Thunder_Child | uhh...where did the me come from? |
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| 21:02.30 | Vangual | 0.1% kj wipe, qq |
| 21:02.49 | Kirov | doh |
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| 21:14.40 | Thunder_Child | can someone explain to me how psychic horror works |
| 21:17.12 | tuxeh | How does ScrollingMessageFrame work? Do I need to instanciate it first, or can I use it right off the bat? (e.g. ScrollingMessageFrame:AddMessage()) |
| 21:17.30 | Kaso | Thunder_Child you run away very quickly? |
| 21:17.56 | Kirov | tuxeh - erm, what? |
| 21:18.09 | tuxeh | Kirov: Lets say I want to use the ScrollingMessageFrame widget |
| 21:18.14 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, does it stack with the effect of psychic sceam? or does it only work on thoes that resisted the first effect |
| 21:18.43 | tuxeh | Do I need to create the frame before I start using it.. for example; calling AddMessage() |
| 21:19.05 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: It can't be dispelled |
| 21:19.10 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I'm going to guess, anyway |
| 21:19.14 | Xuerian | horrify is like deathcoil |
| 21:19.22 | Kaso | both effects are added, but those who are immune to fear only get the horror part for 4sec |
| 21:19.31 | Xuerian | aha :P |
| 21:19.34 | Kaso | otherwise they just get the normal fear duration and the horror does nothing |
| 21:19.59 | Thunder_Child | backup effect, not bad |
| 21:19.59 | Kirov | tuxeh - You want to create a ScrollingMessageFrame for an addon, or use an existing one? If you want a new one, you have to create the frame first, otherwise there's nothing to call AddMessage on |
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| 21:21.15 | tuxeh | I want to create one for this addon -- I'm therefore wondering how to do that, is it done with CreateFrame() and if so, is that that used to instanciate all widgets? |
| 21:22.07 | Kaso | You can make frames either with xml or CreateFrame |
| 21:24.19 | tuxeh | OK. And the reason for why ChatFrame1 is working is because it's created by default right? Also, one last question, do you know what the frameType for ScrollingMessageFrame is? I took a chance on ScrollingMessage but that didn't work, unfortunately lol :) |
| 21:24.35 | Kirov | ScrollingMessageFrame is the frame type |
| 21:24.51 | Kirov | widget name == frame type |
| 21:25.18 | tuxeh | Ah well then that's settled :-) Thanks a lot for your time |
| 21:25.22 | Kirov | Also, just doing CreateFrame("ScrollingMessageFrame") will get you nothing useful. |
| 21:25.44 | Kirov | It'll create a frame, but it won't have any positional or visual information. |
| 21:26.32 | tuxeh | That can be defined by using the methods for the widget doesn't it? |
| 21:26.49 | Kirov | yes |
| 21:27.10 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 21:27.21 | Kirov | Along with it's parent methods |
| 21:27.32 | tuxeh | Aye |
| 21:27.46 | Kirov | (the widget's parent widget type, not the frame's parent, which are different) |
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| 21:29.04 | Kirov | The absolute minimum you need to do to a ScrollingMessageFrame to get it running should be create it, anchor it to something, give it a height and width, and set a font |
| 21:31.24 | tuxeh | I'm on it :) Thanks for the help once again Kirov |
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| 21:34.48 | Thunder_Child | is there a way to keep the default bars from changing when you shift? |
| 21:34.57 | Thunder_Child | eg. assume a diff form |
| 21:35.13 | NightHawkTheSane | without using a mod? i dont think so |
| 21:35.42 | abug | is there a way to delete an entire addon one has created from wowinterface's database? |
| 21:35.55 | Thunder_Child | yes, you tell an admin |
| 21:36.10 | Cairenn | abug: ^^ |
| 21:36.36 | Thunder_Child | like Cairenn (see above) |
| 21:36.38 | abug | having second thoughts about my rofl submission |
| 21:36.51 | Cairenn | abug: give me the LINK to the mod you want deleted and I'll poof it for you |
| 21:37.05 | Cairenn | (we ask for the LINK so we make sure we delete the right one) |
| 21:37.22 | abug | how would you know I'm the same person? |
| 21:37.40 | Cairenn | well, duh, we obviously check that, as well |
| 21:37.53 | Cairenn | I'm just saying we don't want you to just give us the name of the mod |
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| 21:46.39 | Thunder_Child | analagy (sp?) |
| 21:46.39 | batbot | Thunder_Child, analogy. |
| 21:48.21 | Thunder_Child | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. i want my addons |
| 21:48.28 | Thunder_Child | you people need to get crackin |
| 21:48.56 | nevcairiel | Give me your account and i will *shrug =P |
| 21:49.17 | Thunder_Child | will what? |
| 21:49.34 | Thunder_Child | oh |
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| 21:49.36 | Thunder_Child | , got ya |
| 21:51.11 | Shirik | I have determined that popcorn is one of the healthiest foods available |
| 21:51.36 | Shirik | My parents always told me to drink milk and eat vegetables. Since popcorn is made out of vegetables and milk, it must be good for you. |
| 21:51.36 | Thunder_Child | tisnt |
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| 21:58.57 | Thunder_Child | to bad wowi can get "leased" a few dev accounts that a dev can sign up to use for ~ an hour or 2 |
| 22:01.37 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: why? |
| 22:01.45 | Cairenn | when any author can get their own key? |
| 22:02.00 | Thunder_Child | umm..not all the authors have a key? |
| 22:02.09 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 22:02.12 | ckknight | I can has key nao? |
| 22:02.13 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:02.42 | Cairenn | ckknight: you'll be getting yours soon enough from being Curse staff :p |
| 22:02.49 | ckknight | yea, yea |
| 22:02.51 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: as I said .... |
| 22:03.10 | ckknight | but I don't have one _now_, which is what _really_ matters |
| 22:03.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:03.42 | Cairenn | given conversations I've had with Blizz, I'm betting you'll see yours next week |
| 22:04.02 | Cairenn | I might be wrong, but that's my guess |
| 22:04.31 | Thunder_Child | [15:04:24][1. General] [Zalev]: can all of u log out please? |
| 22:04.32 | Thunder_Child | [15:04:29][1. General] [Zalev]: so i have less lag |
| 22:04.34 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 22:05.37 | |pez| | bf stupid ;___; |
| 22:06.28 | |pez| | He said he'd probably eat food if I made some. |
| 22:06.34 | |pez| | I was hungry, made some, and ofcourse for him too |
| 22:06.42 | |pez| | and he didn't want any, and was all grumpy. |
| 22:07.39 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, i blame you for the crash |
| 22:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I blame YOU for the crash! |
| 22:08.17 | |pez| | so much love |
| 22:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | No worries, I'll be appearing in the middle of a large number of mobs |
| 22:08.56 | Thunder_Child | hey, i'm not worried about it at all |
| 22:09.22 | Thunder_Child | and now wow just crashed for no reason |
| 22:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | or somewhat worse |
| 22:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | No mobs at all |
| 22:09.32 | Thunder_Child | "Failed to read file world\kalimdor\barrens\passivedoodads\bones\kotobeastbone01.m2." |
| 22:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 22:09.35 | Seerah | ~seen mikma |
| 22:09.38 | purl | mikma <i=mikma@reaktio.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 56d 3h 48m 32s ago, saying: 'ah, so much love in the air'. |
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| 22:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:09.57 | Thunder_Child | wtf, wow crashed because of DOODADS??? |
| 22:09.59 | tuxeh | I've just started diving in to the world of addon development. I'm currently having some issues with the ScrollingMessageFrame widget .. The message passed via AddMessage() wont display itself.. Here's what I've defined; http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92584 |
| 22:10.21 | Pneumatus | doodads = world objects |
| 22:10.47 | Thunder_Child | Pneumatus, ya i know, still sounds funny though |
| 22:11.02 | Kirov | tuxeh - Width and height of 0 means it's 0x0 in size, ie: invisible |
| 22:11.10 | Pneumatus | i always thought it was a british'ism, not sure how it got into WoW :) |
| 22:11.21 | Thunder_Child | came from WC3 |
| 22:11.26 | tuxeh | I thought it'd default to whatever size it would need to be. I did try with 100x50 though, same result |
| 22:11.36 | Thunder_Child | SC had it as well i think |
| 22:11.45 | Pneumatus | the word "doodad" has been around a hell of a lot longer than WC3/SC :) |
| 22:11.59 | Cairenn | doodads? well, Britian isn't the only country that uses it :p |
| 22:11.59 | Thunder_Child | yes, but you asked how it got into wow :P |
| 22:12.22 | Pneumatus | maybe they thought "thingy" or "thingamajig" looked silly :) |
| 22:13.33 | Kirov | tuxeh - the wow UI assumes the game is running at 1024x768, which it'll scale to what ever the screen is actually being displayed at. |
| 22:13.38 | amro|afk | I like "Doodad" |
| 22:14.25 | Pneumatus | gah, i cant wait for ratingbuster to get updated |
| 22:14.30 | Thunder_Child | hmm... wow crashed again with "Failed to read file World\Maps\Northrend\Northrend_22_25.adt." |
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| 22:14.37 | Kirov | tuxeh - but that doesn't really fix the issue. I need to see more of the code for that |
| 22:14.37 | Pneumatus | i never thought there would be an addon i couldnt live without |
| 22:14.51 | tuxeh | Kirov: Give me a second :) |
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| 22:27.06 | mikma | wut wut? |
| 22:27.16 | amro|afk | anyone good with C++ around? |
| 22:27.34 | Seerah | mikma! what did you do to joojanta?!?! |
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| 22:27.55 | mikma | Seerah: just modified it to do what it should have been doing since.. hmm |
| 22:28.03 | mikma | 1.001 - Now shows Chats, Unitframes, and Minimap while screen is black |
| 22:28.22 | mikma | it bugged and didn't show minimap and playerframe in 2.4 |
| 22:28.31 | Seerah | I'm going to panic if I see my health going down, people dying, etc etc etc |
| 22:28.45 | mikma | ... O_o |
| 22:28.53 | mikma | ok here's the deal with it: |
| 22:28.54 | Seerah | defeats the purpose :P |
| 22:29.20 | mikma | TargetFrame has SetFrameStrata("LOW") and SetFrameStrata(1), (2), (3) |
| 22:29.34 | mikma | everything below that won't hide targetframe stuff |
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| 22:30.15 | mikma | so, if i wanted to show buffs and debuffs, i would have need to use SetFrameLevel(2) |
| 22:30.41 | mikma | and damn, now i lost what i was explaining |
| 22:30.51 | mikma | good job |
| 22:31.14 | mikma | Seerah: so basicly, you don't want to see your own health, but you want to see targethealth? |
| 22:31.27 | Seerah | I didn't say I wanted to see targethealth |
| 22:31.37 | tuxeh | amro|afk: shoot, MIGHT be able to help |
| 22:31.44 | Seerah | I just saw the screenshot for your update today and thought "wtf?" |
| 22:31.45 | Seerah | :) |
| 22:31.46 | mikma | since PlayerFrame has SetFrameStrata("BACKGROUND") and TargetFrame has SetFrameStrata("LOW") |
| 22:32.13 | amro|afk | tuxeh: im doing a reinterpret_cast<unsigned int>(buf), where buf is char* to 4 bytes |
| 22:32.21 | amro|afk | but I'm not getting correct values |
| 22:32.21 | mikma | Seerah: well it should have been working like that since 1.001 update ;D it has been bugging, and not showing stuff around hehe |
| 22:32.47 | mikma | let's see now |
| 22:32.52 | Seerah | like I said - it just defeats the purpose, imo :) |
| 22:33.05 | amro|afk | tuxeh: memset(buf, '\0', 4); f.read(buf, 4); unsigned int test = reinterpret_cast<unsigned int>(buf); |
| 22:33.05 | mikma | well that's true |
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| 22:33.22 | mikma | Seerah: well you can give me your opinion too. wait a moment |
| 22:33.30 | tuxeh | what are you getting? |
| 22:34.14 | amro|afk | tuxeh: 134533520, should be 8471 |
| 22:35.04 | Kirov | tuxeh - two things, btw. I never use SetFont, I always have issues with it. Try SetFontObject(ChatFontNormal) |
| 22:35.47 | mikma | Seerah: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_072708_221209.jpg or http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_072708_221232.jpg |
| 22:36.16 | mikma | (hiding everything would be cruel since people use pvp trinkets and such ;) |
| 22:36.37 | Seerah | and you want chat for party/raid |
| 22:37.10 | mikma | umm |
| 22:37.22 | mikma | depends of the level and strata |
| 22:38.15 | mikma | Seerah: which one of those? |
| 22:38.36 | Seerah | mikma: I personally don't use the addon, I'm just a fan of the idea :) I was just giving you a hard time, but I still believe that showing all of that defeats the purpose of the spirit of the addon and it saying "don't panic" :) |
| 22:38.42 | Seerah | the first |
| 22:38.49 | Seerah | though it doesn't have chat |
| 22:39.18 | mikma | first one is targetframe and playerframe showing |
| 22:39.32 | mikma | second is everything except actionbars hidden |
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| 22:39.46 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 22:39.59 | Cairenn | hey Lopeppeppy :) |
| 22:40.14 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cairenn! |
| 22:40.17 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug cairenn |
| 22:40.17 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on cairenn and suddenly hugs cairenn tightly |
| 22:41.02 | Cairenn | OMFG ... spike tv on a sunday afternoon is scary shit |
| 22:41.02 | Cairenn | right now they are playing Wild World of Spike ... they were just weight lifting ... using their penises! |
| 22:41.19 | mikma | Seerah: oh cool... |
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| 22:42.00 | Seerah | mikma: oh, sorry - second one |
| 22:42.14 | Fisker- | LICE Seerah |
| 22:42.16 | Fisker- | you're full of LICE |
| 22:42.31 | Seerah | the one without showing yourself gaining debuffs (curses/poisons) and dieing :) |
| 22:42.36 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn.... Um, wild. Wow. |
| 22:42.55 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 22:42.56 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Peppy |
| 22:42.58 | |Jelly| | ~hug Cairenn |
| 22:42.59 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 22:43.03 | |Jelly| | ~hug Seerah |
| 22:43.04 | purl | ACTION hugs Seerah tightly until Seerah turns slightly blue |
| 22:43.08 | |Jelly| | !! |
| 22:43.18 | |Jelly| | Hug spam! :) |
| 22:43.21 | mikma | Seerah: so here's the thing i was wondering earlier today. to show buffs or not to show buffs? |
| 22:43.50 | mikma | Seerah: and just like i guessed, ChatFrame's have really low strata and level :P |
| 22:44.17 | abug | eh? bad santa is still on the spike here |
| 22:44.47 | Seerah | mikma: can't do anything about the buffs if you're incapacitated |
| 22:45.35 | mikma | Seerah: so basicly: hide all except chat when in jj200 mode? |
| 22:45.56 | mikma | then i need to play with chatframe1-> framestrata :I |
| 22:46.04 | Seerah | or you could give it an option to show more/less |
| 22:46.38 | Seerah | not everyone has voice chat - hard to let your group know you're feared/sapped without chat |
| 22:46.38 | mikma | that would be bloat! |
| 22:46.54 | Seerah | YOU'RE the author. what do YOU want to see? |
| 22:47.13 | mikma | actionbars :D |
| 22:47.20 | Seerah | I loved it when the screen was *all* black ;) |
| 22:47.21 | mikma | (pvp trinket is there somewhere) |
| 22:47.26 | Seerah | chat frame made sense |
| 22:47.33 | Seerah | could keybind it |
| 22:47.52 | mikma | making whole screen black is really... umm |
| 22:48.12 | mikma | like i said, people want to click their trinkets and stuff to get rid of crowdcontrol :D |
| 22:48.49 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft, l2keybind? :P |
| 22:49.26 | mikma | you keep *all* of your skills keybinded? :D |
| 22:49.27 | Seerah | like *I* said - it's my opinion and your addon. but they could keybind and learn what it's like to own a pair of Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses |
| 22:49.39 | Seerah | only need 1 - the trinket |
| 22:49.43 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: stuff that breaks cc, yes. :P |
| 22:49.50 | mikma | paladins need bubble |
| 22:49.57 | Seerah | that's 2 |
| 22:50.03 | Seerah | not 40 :) |
| 22:50.20 | mikma | but wouldn't that be kinda rude? :D |
| 22:50.30 | Seerah | it's in the ROFL category |
| 22:50.37 | mikma | Seerah: umm |
| 22:50.38 | Seerah | you're starting to take it too seriously :) |
| 22:50.43 | mikma | someone actually MOVED it there |
| 22:50.53 | mikma | check out the archive and see the first date of 1.0 |
| 22:50.57 | Seerah | not me |
| 22:51.12 | Seerah | do you want it moved out of there? |
| 22:51.16 | mikma | na |
| 22:51.33 | Seerah | Cairenn I'm sure put it there when she created the category because it *was* rofl :) |
| 22:52.00 | mikma | yeah it is xD |
| 22:52.02 | Cairenn | yep |
| 22:52.05 | mikma | ok then we have this. |
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| 22:52.18 | mikma | full blackout, sucks to be someone who forgets where trinket is bound |
| 22:52.32 | mikma | oh great |
| 22:52.37 | mikma | another cat has learned how to open doors |
| 22:52.40 | mikma | that's just great |
| 22:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. I love my smart-cat |
| 22:52.56 | NightHawkTheSane | soon they'll learn to start cars. then we'll be in real trouble |
| 22:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | We already are. |
| 22:53.05 | mikma | now they both know how to open the doors |
| 22:53.18 | mikma | and they are like 7 year old |
| 22:54.03 | Seerah | http://www.mostly-harmless.de/joo.html :) |
| 22:54.26 | Seerah | NHTS: Toonces! |
| 22:55.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, exactly |
| 22:55.45 | mikma | Seerah: hehe |
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| 22:59.07 | mikma | wow, SetFrameStrata("FULLSCREEN") is bad |
| 22:59.21 | Lopeppeppy | I recommend not doing badthings, just for the record. |
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| 23:01.22 | Xuerian | Cairenn: A friend of mine is trying to upload his first addon, but on the Upload & Update page, the Category drop down only has "select an upload category" and "-----------------". He's using FF3. Something else he should be doing? |
| 23:01.49 | Cairenn | that's weird |
| 23:01.53 | Cairenn | he have noscript? |
| 23:02.04 | Thunder_Child | this is not as funny as i think blizz intended http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/wowmail.jpg |
| 23:02.14 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Nope, Adblock but that's not blocking it. |
| 23:02.21 | Cairenn | weird |
| 23:02.26 | Xuerian | Will have him try without that. |
| 23:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: yeah I got the same thing |
| 23:03.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: wha? |
| 23:03.37 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, it comes with an item |
| 23:03.37 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Nope, it still only has those two options. |
| 23:03.37 | Thunder_Child | but the text is retarded |
| 23:03.38 | Cairenn | Dolby: ^^ |
| 23:03.54 | mikma | oh dear lord :D |
| 23:04.04 | Gnarfoz | also, they fucked up |
| 23:04.07 | Corrodias | wtf? they actually sent that trainwreck of a message? |
| 23:04.11 | Corrodias | what did they send instead? |
| 23:04.12 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:04.13 | Xuerian | Cairenn, Dolby: Would not having activated his account yet keep the list from coming up (Though he can still access the page itself without a error..) |
| 23:04.14 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 23:04.17 | Corrodias | what item, i mean |
| 23:04.18 | Gnarfoz | it's beta, who cares, Corrodias :p |
| 23:04.23 | Cairenn | Xuerian: yes :p |
| 23:04.29 | Corrodias | oh. i thought this was live. never mind. |
| 23:04.30 | Thunder_Child | aslo called carot on a stick |
| 23:04.31 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Doh. Needs error message! |
| 23:04.47 | Thunder_Child | it simply enchants the mount itself instaid of taking up a slot |
| 23:04.53 | Corrodias | beta can have Michael Jackson in it for all i care |
| 23:04.55 | Gnarfoz | they sent me a Carrot on a Stick "for your mount" thingy |
| 23:05.06 | Cairenn | Xuerian: what's his account name? |
| 23:05.09 | Gnarfoz | but I'm a warlock.... I can't enchant my "summon felsteed" spell w ith it |
| 23:05.14 | Cairenn | on wowi |
| 23:05.29 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, then get a mount, they are not that expensive anymore |
| 23:05.37 | Xuerian | Cairenn: It's Golith. He just hadn't activated his account yet. You were right, that was it. |
| 23:05.39 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: ?! ~fail |
| 23:05.51 | Gnarfoz | the point is: my mount speed increase is gone for no reason! |
| 23:05.56 | Cairenn | does he need a manual activate or is he golden now? |
| 23:06.22 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_072808_020339.jpg <- this is what happens when day turns night and all the werebears step out |
| 23:06.49 | Xuerian | Cairenn: He's golden now. Thanks =). His upload will be coming along in a few minutes though, I believe it's a entry into ROFL. |
| 23:06.51 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, then make a suggestion to wow about it |
| 23:06.53 | Cairenn | okay |
| 23:07.24 | Cairenn | just as info you can pass along ... we are judging mods in the ROFL on a case by case basis for whether they qualify for a beta key |
| 23:07.31 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: it's probably an oversight they already know about by now. also, I already did. you know the little Blizzard icon on the minimap in beta...? ^ ;p |
| 23:07.45 | Thunder_Child | ok, as long as you did that there is nothing to do but wait |
| 23:07.48 | Thunder_Child | and bitch |
| 23:07.49 | Thunder_Child | ofc |
| 23:07.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah! |
| 23:07.59 | Cairenn | it'll count for the addons gone crazy, but may not for a key, will see |
| 23:08.07 | Gnarfoz | stupid blizzard taking my mount speed increase *raaaargh* |
| 23:08.11 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:08.19 | Xuerian | Cairenn: doh! Time limitation or? |
| 23:08.23 | Cairenn | quality |
| 23:08.39 | Kirov | Gnarfoz - hmm? |
| 23:08.47 | Cairenn | a bunch of stuff that has been uploaded really doesn't deserve a key, there's no actual "work" involved in making them |
| 23:09.01 | Gnarfoz | Kirov: please read the last 5 minutes of chat, starting at <Thunder_Child> this is not as funny as i think blizz intended http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/wowmail.jpg |
| 23:09.07 | Cairenn | "If it isn't Scottish, it's ...." |
| 23:09.21 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Ah, probably not then :P. |
| 23:09.37 | Cairenn | we'll see once he uploads it |
| 23:09.39 | mikma | Cairenn: so, how can i upload the same version in wowi? |
| 23:09.47 | Kirov | Gnarfoz - since they're making all mounts / pets spells soon, I'm asuming they have a fix for that |
| 23:09.47 | Cairenn | mikma: hmm? |
| 23:10.06 | mikma | Cairenn: i don't want to change the version of this new file i'm about to upload |
| 23:10.09 | starlon | I should upload my latest. |
| 23:10.11 | Gnarfoz | as I said - they probably know about the issue already (if not from anything else, then from my own report ;)) |
| 23:10.34 | Cairenn | ahhhh ... stick an "a" on it or something |
| 23:10.48 | mikma | heh |
| 23:10.54 | Cairenn | then I can go in and fiddle with the version numbers |
| 23:11.13 | Cairenn | actually ... hang on a sec |
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| 23:12.26 | Cairenn | okay - make it the version number you want, I changed the current version number to "a" |
| 23:12.47 | Cairenn | and we can just delete this version once you have the new version up |
| 23:13.19 | mikma | Cairenn: okidoki, thanks :) |
| 23:13.43 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 23:14.19 | laeg | what do you guys think of that macro that increases the way graphics detail>? |
| 23:14.52 | Gnarfoz | what do I think about it? it works. |
| 23:15.28 | mikma | Cairenn: i'm not sure did i fail this |
| 23:16.35 | Cairenn | mikma: nope |
| 23:17.10 | mikma | Cairenn: well i thought i did, so i messed up some more. well now it should be ok lol |
| 23:17.43 | mikma | correct file and correct versionnumber ftw |
| 23:18.06 | Cairenn | looks like everything is correct now, to me |
| 23:20.18 | laeg | Gnarfoz: i'm waiting until i get a better card until i use the graphics macro |
| 23:20.45 | Gnarfoz | if it decreases your performance, at all, then that's probably the right course of action ;) |
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| 23:20.52 | laeg | hehe |
| 23:21.07 | laeg | Gnarfoz: well i also don't have my settings maxed out either because that decreases my performance |
| 23:21.10 | Fisker- | i still hate you mikma |
| 23:21.19 | laeg | (also i'm on linux) |
| 23:21.28 | mikma | Fisker-: and that's something new? |
| 23:21.37 | mikma | atleast i don't have Fister- nick lawl |
| 23:21.52 | Xinhuan | woo its monday! |
| 23:21.59 | Gnarfoz | laeg: linux *shouldn't* have anything to do with that (except that you're on linux intentionally :p) |
| 23:22.04 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: indeed it is oO |
| 23:22.50 | Xinhuan | it means wowi is sending our author names today! woo! |
| 23:23.05 | mikma | Xinhuan: ya xD |
| 23:23.11 | mikma | we already stressed Cairenn about it |
| 23:23.24 | Xinhuan | i have a second crazy contest addon to upload soon ;p |
| 23:23.59 | Cairenn | it's still sunday here, so no, they haven't been sent yet |
| 23:24.02 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 23:24.11 | mikma | i like how [Ammo] took and colored the screen red... now where have i seen that before, lol |
| 23:27.20 | Fisker- | mikma you killed me |
| 23:27.23 | Fisker- | you made me die |
| 23:27.24 | Fisker- | etc |
| 23:27.34 | mikma | good. really good. |
| 23:30.24 | Cairenn | Xuerian: pass along to your friend ... "rofl" |
| 23:32.20 | mikma | ahhhhhh |
| 23:32.36 | |Yssaril| | anyone know of a good addon that records highest dmg and highest crits for each spell/attack? |
| 23:32.39 | mikma | cozy. bed+tablet rules |
| 23:33.02 | Xinhuan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect |
| 23:33.04 | Xinhuan | lol tetris effect |
| 23:34.08 | Corrodias | ah yes, i get the tetris effect with porn sometimes |
| 23:34.26 | NightHawkTheSane | you try to fit porn into rows of blocks? o_0 |
| 23:34.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 23:34.45 | Corrodias | "The Tetris effect can occur with ... any prolonged visual task (such as classifying cells on microscope slides" |
| 23:34.54 | mikma | sometimes i have WoW-effect |
| 23:35.13 | Corrodias | evaluating and sorting porn for a few hours can do it |
| 23:35.24 | mikma | good collection |
| 23:35.47 | mikma | or, you own a pronstore |
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| 23:43.34 | Xuerian | Cairenn: :P |
| 23:43.42 | amro|afk | gotta love C++. took me hours to go correct int test = reinterpret_cast<int>(&buf[4]); to int* test = reinterpret_cast<int*>(&buf[4]); |
| 23:44.13 | nevcairiel | reinterpret cast is the devil! |
| 23:44.24 | amro|afk | lies! |
| 23:44.30 | amro|afk | actually im just an idiot |
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| 23:44.41 | amro|afk | it took me forever to realize that I was getting the pointer address |
| 23:45.35 | mikma | lul |
| 23:46.29 | mikma | only thing that gets shown is chateditbox =) |
| 23:46.46 | Seerah | you're awesome |
| 23:46.48 | mikma | enter -> omagad -> enter |
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| 23:51.35 | mikma | i have a feeling i need to remember my pvp trinket keybind now |
| 23:51.50 | mikma | cant trust actionbars anymore haha |
| 23:52.07 | laeg | alt+q! |
| 23:52.20 | mikma | alt+f4 |
| 23:52.25 | laeg | hehehe |
| 23:52.28 | Seerah | shift-t |
| 23:52.32 | Seerah | t for trinket |
| 23:52.50 | Seerah | alt-f4 is a reach for me :( |
| 23:52.54 | laeg | i can appreciate people using the letters the item they want to use starts with |
| 23:53.01 | mikma | i have that ass advanced announce =/ |
| 23:53.03 | laeg | but not at the price at ease of use! |
| 23:53.24 | mikma | s/ass/as/ |
| 23:53.25 | Seerah | shift-t is a piece of cake :P |
| 23:53.26 | Thunder_Child | my computer hates me :( |
| 23:53.28 | laeg | q for me is cloak of shadows and escape artist and alt q does the trinket |
| 23:53.38 | laeg | Seerah: i have small girlish hands! |
| 23:53.42 | laeg | :P |
| 23:53.43 | mikma | Thunder_Child: hate it back, it works for me |
| 23:53.46 | Seerah | I have small girlish hands |
| 23:54.02 | Seerah | <-- petite female :P |
| 23:54.03 | mikma | uuu, you touch my shalala |
| 23:54.10 | mikma | my ding ding dong |
| 23:54.11 | Thunder_Child | mikma, i dont want to hate it back, i want to give it back the 2gb of ram i stole from it |
| 23:54.17 | laeg | shalala sounds like a tony christie song |
| 23:54.18 | Thunder_Child | ~irc |
| 23:54.19 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 23:54.26 | Seerah | yeah yeah yeah |
| 23:54.27 | Thunder_Child | according to that Seerah you are not |
| 23:54.37 | Seerah | girlz dont exist on teh intarwebz |
| 23:54.39 | laeg | purl: i heard that recently :) |
| 23:54.39 | purl | You heard that recently :)? |
| 23:54.48 | laeg | ah eggdrop |
| 23:54.54 | mikma | last time i pasted gunthetnet here i got screamed at |
| 23:54.55 | laeg | ~silly |
| 23:54.55 | purl | i guess silly is 'a good question, the answer to which is "yes, i am"' |
| 23:55.03 | mikma | gunthernet* |
| 23:56.20 | Thunder_Child | ~scream mikma |
| 23:56.27 | Thunder_Child | damit purl |
| 23:56.51 | mikma | ~scream from the top of your lungs |
| 23:56.57 | amro|afk | ~scream |
| 23:56.57 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 23:57.00 | Seerah | ~yell |
| 23:57.00 | purl | AAAAAAAAAAAARG! |
| 23:57.08 | mikma | ~timbaland |
| 23:57.55 | Thunder_Child | ~scream mikma |
| 23:57.56 | purl | ACTION screams at mikma |
| 23:59.17 | mikma | good job, now add timbaland in too! |
| 23:59.34 | Thunder_Child | ~scream mikma |
| 23:59.35 | purl | ACTION screams at mikma like a DI, insulting and describing every part of mikma's parentage and life up till now |
