| 00:00.11 | haste | 406$ tho D: |
| 00:01.07 | Xuerian | =O |
| 00:01.09 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.10 | Xuerian | DrHorrible's goggles! |
| 00:01.26 | foxlit | LF 70 more? :) |
| 00:01.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 00:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | $5.6388.../person |
| 00:03.24 | Xuerian | DrHorrible.com should buy a few boxes and offer em for sale XD |
| 00:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | They could sell them at $15/each easy |
| 00:04.32 | foxlit | Unfortunately, it's not quite that pair |
| 00:05.26 | Xuerian | =\ |
| 00:08.22 | Shirik | Tekkub: Thanks for giving me a new toy |
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| 00:11.43 | Tekkub | mu? |
| 00:11.51 | haste | foxlit: oh D: |
| 00:11.53 | Shirik | rawr |
| 00:12.17 | foxlit | close though |
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| 00:12.41 | foxlit | Think the frame is supposed to be green, but that just be their color-correction |
| 00:13.19 | foxlit | https://www.findingking.com/p-20887-welding-goggles.aspx |
| 00:14.34 | foxlit | (gah at the lack of manufacturer data) |
| 00:16.38 | haste | they look pretty grayish green in dr. horrible tho' |
| 00:18.06 | foxlit | Age, possibly multicolored frames |
| 00:18.44 | haste | actually, silver seems more likely |
| 00:20.10 | foxlit | http://www.cruftbox.com/cruft/images/evilleague-04.jpg ? |
| 00:20.21 | haste | http://www.jinx.com/drhorrible/dr_horrible_fan_women.html?catid=108#bigdesign |
| 00:20.42 | haste | better screen on the t-shirt |
| 00:21.15 | foxlit | so we're looking for actual metal? |
| 00:21.56 | haste | no, that can be fixed D: |
| 00:23.11 | haste | they just looked really default at first |
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| 00:25.00 | Shirik | wow.... |
| 00:25.05 | Shirik | you have to BUY dr horrible now? |
| 00:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 00:25.22 | Lopeppeppy | It was only on net release as a teaser for a limited time, they always said that upfront. |
| 00:25.25 | bleeter | Shirik: time to find a streamripper? ;) |
| 00:25.31 | Shirik | oh I didn't read that :) |
| 00:25.31 | foxlit | bleeter: too late |
| 00:25.45 | Shirik | bleeter: Already watched it, I was just curious |
| 00:26.00 | foxlit | But yeah, I now have more familiarity with the windows RTMP capture programs than I would actually want |
| 00:26.07 | bleeter | foxlit: lol |
| 00:26.21 | bleeter | i was about to ask about their DRM and codec usage... thanks for pre-empting the question |
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| 00:27.02 | foxlit | There is no DRM, it's a simple RTMP flv stream |
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| 00:29.39 | Lunessa | People who use "no" and "wut" when they mean "know" and "what" are not getting UI/macro support from me. feh. |
| 00:29.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 00:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Send them to me, I need stress relief. |
| 00:30.29 | Lunessa | I have a PHD in horribleness. |
| 00:30.48 | bleeter | Lunessa: i no... wut? |
| 00:30.52 | Lunessa | - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202275029&sid=1 - |
| 00:30.56 | Lunessa | inorite? |
| 00:31.01 | bleeter | wut? |
| 00:31.04 | haste | wut> |
| 00:31.37 | bleeter | no |
| 00:31.39 | bleeter | er |
| 00:31.44 | bleeter | know... damnit |
| 00:32.31 | Lunessa | it's like the nam-shub of Enki. |
| 00:38.05 | Gnarfoz | that was... Snow Crash? |
| 00:39.07 | Gnarfoz | hm, not even sure anymore |
| 00:39.38 | Gnarfoz | I'd have to get up and walk over to my bookshelf to check :p |
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| 00:43.43 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Yes. |
| 00:44.02 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: http://i38.tinypic.com/2dhzj9c.jpg very nice. |
| 00:44.58 | Gnarfoz | first thing I did when I respecced prot on my pally was to shorten the " ($n blocked)" suffix in parrot to "$nB" ^^ |
| 00:48.13 | foxlit | haste: http://www.mortonsafety.com/index.aspx?Command=GroupInfo&GroupID=10875 |
| 00:48.17 | laeg | does anybody use perl classic unitframes? |
| 00:48.34 | laeg | player buff is 'missing or not enabled' so i downloaded if and installed it but no dice |
| 00:48.35 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: <3 |
| 00:48.35 | haste | holy shit foxlit :D |
| 00:49.13 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: It looks nice, almost enough to tempt me into a buttonless UI, but only almost. <3 |
| 00:49.44 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 00:50.05 | |Jelly| | they're there -- hidden like a ninja! |
| 00:50.09 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:10.20 | Lunessa | ... grr, beta servers still down. |
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| 01:25.10 | foxlit | Cart Totals: 1 Items: $11.77 Shipping cost: $124.71 |
| 01:26.16 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:26.19 | Shirik | wtf did you do >< |
| 01:28.15 | laeg | Can anyone recommend a mod to handle my buff frame? |
| 01:28.33 | laeg | it's no longer included in classic perl unit frames and satbuff is incompatible |
| 01:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: didn't update for months |
| 01:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: still updating, working on 24 hours soon |
| 01:29.43 | Hjalte | laeg: Buffalo works for me, but there's some new ones too recently, like Bollo. |
| 01:32.57 | laeg | Hjalte: ty |
| 01:35.38 | Xuerian | foxlit, wtf are you buying? a box of dirt? |
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| 01:44.16 | Shirik | Xuerian: lol |
| 01:44.28 | Shirik | It's not as bad as that time I made this company I'm working for buy a $5 filter, but needed it tomorrow |
| 01:44.38 | Shirik | so we paid like $5 + about $60 shipping |
| 01:44.49 | Shirik | actually, percentage wise I guess it's about the same |
| 01:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to stop updating, it's lagging WoW pretty hard :( |
| 01:45.23 | Xuerian | Haha. |
| 01:45.24 | Lunessa | Seriously. Shipping prices = pain. |
| 01:45.41 | Xuerian | Considering gas, well yeah =| |
| 01:45.47 | Xuerian | us econ needs to lrn2hydrogen |
| 01:46.07 | Shirik | in the beginning there was secks a burblin in that primordial soup of oceania |
| 01:46.15 | Shirik | til yes, Leg was put forth |
| 01:46.21 | Shirik | the teacher needs not morals with lessons of intrinsic value |
| 01:46.21 | Lunessa | Yeah. I was going to order furniture from IKEA and have it delivered. Delivery would have cost 2x the furniture. I just drove to get it instead. |
| 01:46.26 | Shirik | my server is so messed up >< |
| 01:46.31 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202534904&sid=1 |
| 01:49.41 | Xuerian | Shirik: I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take that as a political commentary or a insanity plea |
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| 02:33.57 | Shirik | woot |
| 02:34.00 | Shirik | I has authenticator |
| 02:35.18 | batrick | lolol |
| 02:35.41 | batrick | shirik did u see dark knight yet?! |
| 02:35.59 | Shirik | why would I do that |
| 02:36.11 | batrick | ~poke cairenn |
| 02:36.12 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cairenn, pokes cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:36.19 | batrick | kickban this riff raff |
| 02:36.25 | Shirik | She tried that yesterday |
| 02:36.28 | Shirik | you know what happened? |
| 02:36.50 | Shirik | (20:29:06) - Cairenn (+b) Shirik!*@* (unban: F6) |
| 02:36.50 | Shirik | (20:29:06) - Shirik (-ob) Cairenn Shirik!*@* |
| 02:36.50 | Shirik | (20:29:06) - Cairenn was kicked by Shirik (Don't even think about it!) |
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| 02:40.49 | Gnarfoz | lol Shirik |
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| 02:53.39 | Seerah | 3+ mins of this hamster falling off his private elevater: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3066411/8742716 |
| 02:55.17 | Shirik | Seerah: wtf |
| 02:55.32 | Seerah | he's trying to go to bed |
| 02:56.21 | Shirik | that's kinda cruel :P |
| 02:56.29 | Corrodias | poor, stupid hamster |
| 02:58.40 | Seerah | the hamster's name is Dopey |
| 03:00.23 | Tekkub | is there even anything for to get off onto at the top? |
| 03:00.29 | Seerah | its bed |
| 03:00.39 | Seerah | spoiler alert!!! he makes it eventually |
| 03:01.31 | Shirik | you can't say "spoiler alert" and then have the spoiler on the same line! |
| 03:02.08 | Seerah | lol |
| 03:02.16 | Seerah | I thought that after I hit enter |
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| 03:04.18 | Tekkub | aw my cat's no fun |
| 03:04.28 | Dreagar | sup kids. :) |
| 03:04.34 | Tekkub | I went and held her in the AC output so she could enjoy the cold air |
| 03:04.40 | Tekkub | and she freaked out |
| 03:05.29 | Dreagar | damn cats. so melodramatic |
| 03:05.45 | Tekkub | yet she'll lay on the floor all dead-like when it's hot |
| 03:05.53 | Dreagar | lol. |
| 03:05.54 | Tekkub | like it's too much effort to move (it is) |
| 03:06.11 | Dreagar | i can understand that. :) |
| 03:06.48 | Dreagar | i live in tucson. so i quite understand that! |
| 03:07.09 | Tekkub | I'm so sorry |
| 03:07.32 | Dreagar | me 2 |
| 03:07.40 | Dreagar | lol. but stuck is stuck. |
| 03:07.42 | Tenchworks | Tekkub: I have a question, what is the difference between Tourguide and questhelper? if your mod just a guide that's ingame? or is it just questhelper with different logic? |
| 03:07.50 | Dreagar | bah |
| 03:07.59 | Tekkub | mine is a guide |
| 03:08.15 | Tekkub | questhelper tries to be "smart" and give you a path based on what you have |
| 03:08.24 | Dreagar | questhelper is simply a mathmatical representation of the supposedly best way to complete all the qquests in your log. |
| 03:08.32 | Tenchworks | so it basically leads players by hand on where to go? |
| 03:08.34 | Dreagar | tourgide is 'smart' enough to tell you what to do. :) |
| 03:08.52 | Tekkub | basically, I do try to encourge some minor brain use |
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| 03:09.02 | Tekkub | but not too much |
| 03:09.10 | Dreagar | Course my addon competes with tourguide. i still think it's tha shiznit. :) |
| 03:09.28 | Tenchworks | so how do you manage to keep such a small mod size compared to questhelper? |
| 03:09.31 | Tekkub | TG has competition (besides QH)? |
| 03:09.41 | Tekkub | trade secrets |
| 03:09.43 | Dreagar | technically. heard of Team iDemise? |
| 03:09.53 | Tenchworks | lol |
| 03:09.53 | Tekkub | if you want them you have to send me nudie picks |
| 03:10.02 | Tenchworks | haha |
| 03:10.21 | Tenchworks | ok that 's all i needed to know, just trying to decide which to suggest to a friend |
| 03:10.22 | Tekkub | I've not looked at QH's data structure, but I can probably guess what they do :P |
| 03:10.23 | Tenchworks | thanks |
| 03:10.48 | Tekkub | if your friend is looking to level an alt and willing to fly on "autopilot", use TG |
| 03:11.08 | Tekkub | if this is their first time thru the content, neither mod, just Lightheaded for times they get stuck |
| 03:11.15 | Tenchworks | THAT"S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR! |
| 03:11.18 | Tenchworks | thanks you |
| 03:11.35 | Dreagar | it's really math intensive tekkub. i tried to use it to model what i did with my guide, but it was no where near helpful. it was more confusing than anything. plsu is keeps a database of all quests and their completeing locations. ick. |
| 03:11.51 | Tekkub | and yes, I will write Wrath guides while I'm in beta... and NO I WON'T release them until a few weeks after it goes live |
| 03:11.53 | Dreagar | sorta like lightheaded without the help doin anything. lol |
| 03:12.15 | Dreagar | if i could get into beta, i'd work on team idemises too. but.. lol |
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| 03:12.29 | Tekkub | yea I leave the NPC database to LH because I trust clad's ability to write a good addon |
| 03:12.31 | Dreagar | oh u know what. tekkub u can prollya nswer this question.. |
| 03:12.38 | Tekkub | plus it lets me plug his stuff too |
| 03:12.53 | Dreagar | yeah i let TomTom do the waypoint work for me. :) |
| 03:13.28 | Dreagar | do you know.. the contient numbers. are they screwy in other localizations just like with zone nameS? |
| 03:13.48 | Dreagar | or are they stil Kalimdor = 1, EK = 2, Out = 3? |
| 03:13.59 | Dreagar | stil = still |
| 03:14.28 | Tekkub | uh, don't know at all |
| 03:14.28 | Guillotine | I would think zone ids would be the same across localizations |
| 03:14.39 | Tekkub | also, I'm sorry but I have to do it.... |
| 03:14.45 | Tekkub | total dick time |
| 03:14.46 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9359#comment |
| 03:14.57 | Tekkub | everyone have fun till Cair gets back, please :) |
| 03:15.06 | Dreagar | they're not guillotine. the zone names are alphabetical. so each localization has a differnt set of zone numbers. |
| 03:15.22 | Tekkub | what are the cute ones always such assholes? and not the assholes I like |
| 03:15.59 | Xuerian | It's like a game of who can be the bigger ass |
| 03:16.15 | Xuerian | (Tekkub wins points for Style, of which the bonehead has none.) |
| 03:16.41 | Tekkub | hey, I wasn't a dick at all, I just pointed out what he was doing wrong and gave him an alternative |
| 03:16.43 | Dreagar | lol. i'm havin anissue, where waypoints are showing perfectly on kalimdor, and outland, but every one in EK shows up in azashara. :( at least in teh german locale |
| 03:17.20 | Tekkub | then when he ASKED how to use less memory I showed him how much memory both use |
| 03:17.34 | Xuerian | Tekkub: I didn't read beyond the last two posts :p |
| 03:17.47 | Tekkub | aw read down |
| 03:18.09 | Tekkub | someone else called him an ass and he turned it into me sending my "friends" in after him |
| 03:18.28 | Tekkub | so that's what I'm doing now, trying to show him what happens when I do send my friends in :) |
| 03:18.32 | Dreagar | i'm thinkin its gotta be somethin with how the continent numbers are sent to tomtom. right now all the continents put out the same number no matter the locale, but the zones all pick up the right locale showing the proper zone. |
| 03:18.47 | Tekkub | and then I'm gonna bribe caireen to "lose" his beta key application |
| 03:19.02 | Tekkub | Dreagar, I know nothing of other locales :) |
| 03:19.07 | Dreagar | and since kalimdor is kalimdor in all locales, then i figure that's why it works. |
| 03:19.17 | Tekkub | that kinda falls into "that their problem" with me |
| 03:19.29 | Tekkub | if they give me string/whatever I happily include em |
| 03:20.05 | Dreagar | darnit. :( and i can't find any thing on the web that really says anything about contient numbers? :( |
| 03:20.23 | Dreagar | lots of stuff bout zone numbers. lol. but TomTom takes a continent nubmer as an input. :( |
| 03:20.53 | Xuerian | Tekkub: Yeah, I yield on this one. You were just being normal you, he was being a ass XD |
| 03:21.36 | Guillotine | Tekkub: You're right, but no reason to bash him. Just rate down the addon so that people are more inclined to get better ones. |
| 03:21.36 | Tekkub | I'm *sure* he came here because he didn't like curse |
| 03:21.52 | Dreagar | heh |
| 03:21.55 | Guillotine | lol |
| 03:22.03 | Tekkub | I'm not bashing him! Worst I did was say he made an ass of himself :) |
| 03:22.13 | Guillotine | I'm sure we're going to be seeing a lot of those addons now >< |
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| 03:22.44 | Tekkub | yea and I've been poking at them and offering advice to others just like this guy |
| 03:22.47 | Dreagar | wiki says that it's -1,0,1,2,3 just nothin about the locale for the continents. bah. lol |
| 03:22.58 | Tekkub | granted most of em so far aren't reading comments |
| 03:23.20 | Tekkub | It's likely alpha-sorted Dreagar |
| 03:24.23 | |Yssaril| | shit thats alot of tables |
| 03:24.25 | Tekkub | someone point out that his hash-like table isn't an "array" and would in fact use about 40% as much memory if it were an array-like table *grin* |
| 03:25.08 | Dreagar | yeah, i figured that, but then why does kalimdor and outland work but not EK? |
| 03:25.14 | Xuerian | Tekk, what was that about not getting your friends? :P |
| 03:25.43 | Tekkub | yup, at 40bytes per table AND 40 bytes per index in the master table... 1.2 MiB wasted! |
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| 03:26.16 | Tekkub | he remarked that I must have "gone and got my friends to bash him" because someone called him an ass |
| 03:26.28 | Tekkub | so now since I'm in a pissy mood, I'm going to get my friends |
| 03:26.39 | Dreagar | and i'm readin thru that.. and it looked mroe like you were offering a friendly helpful suggestino.. and he just got all combative and defensive and just tried toprove u wrong and resorted to tryin to trash your name since he couldn't prove you wrong. |
| 03:26.51 | Tekkub | plus I already poked cair and she wasn't around so I'm having a little naughty fun before she gets back |
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| 03:29.00 | Dreagar | don't seem like he takes constructive critisim very well. damn i wish i could spell that. lol. he better never come in here to ask questions. lol |
| 03:29.12 | Shirik | ckknight: ping |
| 03:29.25 | Tekkub | I'm sure he won't, he doesn't want other dev's help |
| 03:29.33 | Tekkub | they're all out to make him look bad |
| 03:29.59 | Dreagar | apparently! hell i'd be all over gettin help from ya'll. can't figure out ppl like that |
| 03:30.42 | Tekkub | Dreagar, gee really, you ask for help? I'd like to see that |
| 03:31.28 | Dreagar | ahhh shush. lol. |
| 03:31.42 | Dreagar | damn. i just said shush. *facepalm* |
| 03:32.09 | Tekkub | you're obviously a bad coder... and you're writing a mod that directly competes with mine |
| 03:32.31 | Tekkub | clad|sleep, I need you to go bash Dreagar a bit so people will use my mod over his |
| 03:32.41 | clad|sleep | k k |
| 03:32.53 | Tekkub | also, mention that he kicks puppies |
| 03:32.55 | Dreagar | Oh i'm sure clad will have no problem doin that. lol. |
| 03:33.00 | |Yssaril| | yikes so i am trying this pug thing with my alt and i get this really bad feeling when the leader asks if the hunter he just invited is a healers /sigh |
| 03:33.21 | Tekkub | time to go pull the plug on your modem |
| 03:33.26 | Tekkub | it's the only safe way out |
| 03:33.28 | |Yssaril| | yar |
| 03:34.53 | Dreagar | well i'm stumped. perhaps i'll find someone who makes a mapmod and ask them tommorrow. :) |
| 03:35.07 | clad|sleep | look at astrolabe |
| 03:35.08 | clad|sleep | problem solved |
| 03:35.13 | clad|sleep | not sure why you haven't done that already |
| 03:35.23 | Dreagar | *facepalm* |
| 03:35.26 | Dreagar | cause i'm stupid. lol |
| 03:35.28 | clad|sleep | k k |
| 03:35.30 | clad|sleep | just checking :P |
| 03:35.32 | clad|sleep | goodnight |
| 03:35.37 | Dreagar | sleep well. :) |
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| 03:38.03 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: 1 star rating given |
| 03:39.08 | |Yssaril| | Tekkub: while ur at it want to rip appart my mod :P |
| 03:39.24 | Tekkub | sure whatcha got |
| 03:39.38 | |Yssaril| | http://ace.pastey.net/92177 |
| 03:39.58 | Tekkub | total crap |
| 03:40.03 | |Yssaril| | woot |
| 03:40.09 | Arrowmaster | oh this sounds fun |
| 03:40.15 | Arrowmaster | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/CombatLogTimestamper/CombatLogTimestamper.lua |
| 03:40.18 | Arrowmaster | ^^ mine |
| 03:40.50 | Tekkub | 104 lines, you got into the triple digits, that's the first sign you don't know what you're doing |
| 03:41.51 | Tekkub | honestly, the only thing that stands out to me... "tostring(string.match" ... I think string.match always returns strings |
| 03:41.59 | Tekkub | I have to tonumber() things from it |
| 03:41.59 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 03:42.49 | |Yssaril| | hmm thought it would returned a number for (%d+) |
| 03:42.50 | Tekkub | no point in actually executing the locale block until you actually have translations |
| 03:43.01 | Tekkub | it does, but that number is in a string |
| 03:43.22 | |Yssaril| | k |
| 03:43.46 | Tekkub | I assume warlock only? |
| 03:43.47 | Arrowmaster | GetSpellLink(GetSpellName(s, BOOKTYPE_SPELL)) |
| 03:43.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@wikia/Kirkburn) |
| 03:44.02 | Arrowmaster | GetSpellLink(s, BOOKTYPE_SPELL) should work instead |
| 03:44.26 | |Yssaril| | Tekkub: yea |
| 03:44.32 | Tekkub | first lines: local _, Class = UnitClass("player") |
| 03:44.32 | Tekkub | if Class ~= "WARLOCK" then return end |
| 03:44.45 | Shirik | pop quiz: Did pallies always have taunt, or just with the introduction of BC? |
| 03:44.50 | Tekkub | could even disable the addon so it never loads on that toon again |
| 03:45.00 | Tekkub | it came with BC I think |
| 03:45.20 | Tekkub | you get it at like 16, but I think the spell itself was new with BC |
| 03:45.49 | Arrowmaster | if select(2,UnitClass("player")) ~= "WARLOCK" then return end, no need making a local for it when you can just use select |
| 03:46.24 | Shirik | local's faster, but you probably wouldn't notice for a simple case like that |
| 03:46.40 | Arrowmaster | its only run once |
| 03:46.44 | Tekkub | yea I just went with local to avoid the func call |
| 03:46.44 | Shirik | that's my point :P |
| 03:46.45 | Arrowmaster | nobody cares |
| 03:46.59 | Tekkub | I don't like using select on returns |
| 03:47.00 | Shirik | micro optimizations ftw |
| 03:47.29 | ckknight | Shirik: pong |
| 03:47.30 | ckknight | sh |
| 03:47.35 | ckknight | what's up? |
| 03:47.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont like creating locals for onetime things since they get applied to everything else |
| 03:47.45 | Shirik | well I had a question about why I couldn't download from Curse |
| 03:47.54 | Shirik | but I *gag* downloaded from wowui instead |
| 03:47.58 | Shirik | so not entirely important anymore :) |
| 03:48.19 | ckknight | k |
| 03:49.01 | Dreagar | hey Ck, u know if continent numbers are the same in all locales? or different for each one? like zone names.? |
| 03:50.11 | Dreagar | lookin at astrolabe, but it's not answering my question quite well. since kalimdor, and outlands work fine, but all waypoints that are suposed to be in EK, show up in Azashara on other than english locales, i'm thinkin it has to be how i'm converting the name to the number. |
| 03:50.13 | ckknight | they're all the same. It goes Kalimdor, Eastern Kingdoms, Outland, Northrend |
| 03:50.18 | ckknight | always. |
| 03:50.22 | Dreagar | that's what i thought. damnit. |
| 03:50.22 | ckknight | zones are alphabetical, though |
| 03:50.37 | Dreagar | well then i gotta figure another answer to this problem. :) thanks man! |
| 03:50.59 | Tekkub | <Arrowmaster> i dont like creating locals for onetime things since they get applied to everything else ... "everything else"? |
| 03:51.16 | ckknight | the way I handle zone identification is through their texture (what you get from GetMapInfo()) in Cartographer3, seems to work quite well |
| 03:51.23 | ckknight | locale-independent, too |
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| 03:52.13 | |Yssaril| | all changes applied http://ace.pastey.net/92178 and its not tripple digits anymore :) |
| 03:52.22 | Tekkub | see? told ya |
| 03:52.24 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: when a new enviroment is created all upvalues are passed onto it, such as when you make a function |
| 03:52.56 | Dreagar | hmm. i'll look into that. right now, i have a DB that holds the textname of the continent, and translates it to a number when processing the continent from the db. |
| 03:52.57 | Tekkub | all upvalues? you sure of that? I thought it only took refs to the upvalues it used |
| 03:53.05 | Tekkub | I have to test this now |
| 03:53.23 | Arrowmaster | perty sure it was all |
| 03:53.32 | Gnarfoz | rather look at this! http://www.break.com/index/wrestlers-need-a-chair-and-fans-deliverb.html xD |
| 03:53.37 | Tekkub | upvalues are expensive |
| 03:53.51 | Tekkub | same cost as a table or a hash-like index |
| 03:54.16 | Tekkub | oh wait, nto exactly |
| 03:54.20 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_memory |
| 03:54.33 | Tekkub | Upvalues that do not change only uses 4 bytes per closure. However, upvalues that actually change use an additional 32 bytes. |
| 03:54.35 | Dreagar | sucks cause i can't test it without sending off to a german user. :( |
| 03:54.55 | Tekkub | too bad Mikk's not here :P |
| 03:55.14 | Dreagar | i think the users cracked out tho. cause one said it works now. and the other said only on EK is it broke. :( |
| 03:55.21 | Iriel | Tekkub: ?? |
| 03:55.27 | Tekkub | Iriel, !! |
| 03:55.36 | Iriel | Does it actually do that optimization? |
| 03:55.51 | Tekkub | Mikk was the one that tested closures |
| 03:55.53 | Dreagar | ah well gotta get the kid to bed. will deal later. ;) |
| 03:55.57 | Tekkub | so you'll have to ask him |
| 03:56.04 | Iriel | Oh, he's just describing it badly |
| 03:56.05 | Tekkub | I'm about to toy with it though :) |
| 03:56.13 | Iriel | Upvalues are 4 bytes per closure |
| 03:56.21 | Iriel | The extra 28 bytes are the value itself |
| 03:56.38 | Tekkub | while you're here Iriel... who's beard I have to play with to get a query function for the new trade links? |
| 03:56.50 | Tekkub | it's all encoded, looks like a bunch of bitflags |
| 03:57.04 | Iriel | Tekkub: Dont you normally just have to post on the suggestions thread and your wish is granted? |
| 03:57.17 | Tekkub | it'd be supercool if we could do... TradeLinkKnowsSpell("link", spellid) |
| 03:57.28 | Tekkub | not really :P |
| 03:57.34 | Arrowmaster | mine dont |
| 03:57.36 | Iriel | Tekkub: I'd go with that, or posting a stand-alone request thread showing what you want and what research you've done so far. I tend to have more success with something that shows I at least tried myself 8-) |
| 03:57.41 | Tekkub | half my posts get ignored QQ |
| 03:57.42 | Arrowmaster | COMBATLOG is still upvaled |
| 03:57.57 | Tekkub | oh we tried last night |
| 03:58.07 | Tekkub | theres NO code in the lua that handles the links AT ALL |
| 03:58.13 | Tekkub | it must all be done in C-space |
| 03:58.18 | Tekkub | we were sad pandas |
| 03:59.02 | |Yssaril| | what are these tradelinks? |
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| 04:02.24 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, all upvalues aren't held, just what you use |
| 04:02.28 | Tekkub | one sec, I have code |
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| 04:03.34 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/640 <-- proof! :) |
| 04:04.41 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 04:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | What does collectgarbage("count") return exactly? |
| 04:05.37 | Arrowmaster | memory usage |
| 04:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, gotcha |
| 04:05.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That can be collected or just total? |
| 04:06.02 | Shirik | in particular, in Kbytes |
| 04:06.08 | Shirik | no, total memory usage (both garbage and in use) |
| 04:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh |
| 04:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 79MB or so of memory in use |
| 04:06.23 | Shirik | s/garbage/uncollected garbage/ |
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| 04:08.40 | Yssaril | lua> collectgarbage("count") |
| 04:08.40 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 342.470703125 |
| 04:08.47 | Tekkub | heh |
| 04:08.55 | Shirik | --> collectgarbage"count" |
| 04:08.55 | batbot | Shirik: > 271.236328125 |
| 04:08.57 | Yssaril | lua> collectgarbage("count") |
| 04:08.57 | lua_bot | Yssaril: 342.470703125 |
| 04:09.01 | Shirik | that surprises me actually |
| 04:09.16 | Shirik | lua> collectgarbage"collect"; return collectgarbage"count" |
| 04:09.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: 265.1982421875 |
| 04:09.22 | Shirik | that makes a little more sense |
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| 04:11.33 | Arrowmaster | lua> collectgarbage("collect"); return collectgarbage("count") |
| 04:11.34 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 265.2021484375 |
| 04:13.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:13.19 | Shirik | lua> collectgarbage"collect"; return collectgarbage"count" |
| 04:13.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: 265.1982421875 |
| 04:13.21 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 04:13.27 | Shirik | you can see the difference those parentheses make |
| 04:13.40 | Shirik | 4 bytes :) |
| 04:13.57 | cogwheel | /headdesk |
| 04:14.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Watching the incremental GC just with collectgarbage("count"), you can see why it's awesome |
| 04:14.29 | Cairenn|afk | Tekkub: and whoever else was involved in the whole flame mess with EWOlson - don't take the comment I am about to post personally, you know I have to say it, even if I don't necessarily think it was needed |
| 04:14.41 | Arrowmaster | lua> collectgarbage"collect"; return collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count", collectgarbage"count" |
| 04:14.41 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625, 265.6572265625 |
| 04:14.50 | Shirik | omg spam |
| 04:14.53 | Shirik | kickban |
| 04:15.21 | Arrowmaster | lua> collectgarbage"collect"; return collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count"), collectgarbage("count") |
| 04:15.22 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 265.53515625, 265.53515625, 265.53515625, 265.53515625, 265.53515625, 265.53515625, 265.53515625, 265.53515625 |
| 04:15.29 | Arrowmaster | i see no difference |
| 04:15.41 | Shirik | look at the numbers |
| 04:15.44 | Tekkub | Cairenn|afk, I totally take whatever you said personally |
| 04:15.50 | Tekkub | also, did you lose his key app? :) |
| 04:15.56 | Seerah | lol http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Get-yourself-as-confused-as-Brett-Favre?urn=nfl,95019 |
| 04:15.57 | Cairenn|afk | Tekkub: but that's because you know I hate you, bitch :p |
| 04:16.05 | Cairenn|afk | <3 |
| 04:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:16.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: wouldnt in increase on each call though? |
| 04:16.26 | Arrowmaster | if the ()'s made a difference |
| 04:16.27 | Shirik | are you referring to the parens? |
| 04:16.42 | Shirik | nah :P lua_bot only stores the string once |
| 04:16.54 | Shirik | that's the only time it makes a difference, because it stores a reference to the string which was loadstring()ed |
| 04:16.59 | Shirik | it compiles to the same bytecode |
| 04:17.10 | Shirik | Though something else happened with your numbers, which seems a bit strange |
| 04:17.14 | Shirik | they went.... backwards |
| 04:17.28 | Shirik | ooh |
| 04:17.33 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt the same number of calls each time |
| 04:17.36 | Shirik | because your second one only does 8 calls, and the first one does 11 :P |
| 04:17.40 | Lonny|zZz | Morning |
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| 04:18.07 | Luthorhuss | morning... im abot to go to bed tbh.. |
| 04:18.07 | Shirik | cogwheel: btw, don't /headdesk |
| 04:18.18 | Lonny | :) |
| 04:18.19 | Shirik | This is why the Blizzard code is so inefficient obviously |
| 04:18.29 | Shirik | we need to change all the calls in the Blizzard code to minimize parenthesis use |
| 04:18.39 | Shirik | I'm going to write up a list for Slouken |
| 04:18.56 | Lonny | Cairenn did you manage to delete the addons ? :) |
| 04:19.08 | Shirik | </sarcasm> |
| 04:19.13 | Shirik | Lonny? |
| 04:19.18 | Lonny | Yeah ? |
| 04:19.22 | Shirik | what addons? |
| 04:20.02 | Lonny | Haha, well, I have few of my old addons that I no longer maintain and I want them to be deleted |
| 04:20.07 | Shirik | ah, which ones |
| 04:20.21 | Shirik | though all the ones I see from you are updated yesterday |
| 04:20.26 | Shirik | so I assume that's a "yes they were" |
| 04:20.28 | Lonny | I sent Cairenn a PM but I can send you one as well ? |
| 04:20.35 | Shirik | yeah I can do that too |
| 04:20.40 | Shirik | but I don't see any old addons from you :) |
| 04:21.22 | Lonny | hmm |
| 04:21.25 | Shirik | Trust me, been deleting a lot of addons lately :) Seems everyone and their dog wants a beta key |
| 04:21.34 | Shirik | so they just download random addon from random site and upload it with their name |
| 04:21.41 | Shirik | <3 diff |
| 04:21.45 | Lonny | I have two accounts on WoWI, hence the reason you don't see them :) |
| 04:21.50 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:21.55 | Lonny | Hmm |
| 04:22.06 | |Jelly| | I want a beta key, Shirik -- really, really badly. |
| 04:22.13 | Shirik | make an addon! |
| 04:22.18 | Shirik | And no that doesn't mean you can upload RDX |
| 04:22.21 | |Jelly| | I have ... and did. |
| 04:22.24 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:22.28 | Shirik | then be patient! |
| 04:22.30 | |Jelly| | I'm ticket number 82 |
| 04:22.36 | Shirik | I'm ticket number 1 |
| 04:22.39 | Lonny | I've made Lonny awhile back but my oldest account that is no longer active is Kolghan (VoidRaider) |
| 04:22.51 | Shirik | Dolby was mean though and thanged mine to 999999 :( |
| 04:22.53 | |Yssaril| | |Jelly|: they dont get sent in till the 28th i belive :) |
| 04:23.30 | |Jelly| | Yssaril: Trust me, I know |
| 04:24.02 | Cairenn | Lonny: I'm working on it right now |
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| 04:24.06 | Shirik | ok Lonny, just to verify your identity, could you send me a PM from VoidRaider indicating the ones you want deleted..... ok nm |
| 04:24.08 | Lonny | Thank you :) |
| 04:24.13 | Lonny | Sure |
| 04:24.16 | Cairenn | Shirik: I've got it |
| 04:24.18 | Shirik | Fine Cairenn, I see I'm useless! |
| 04:24.23 | Lonny | Haha |
| 04:24.34 | Cairenn | Shirik: not even remotely close |
| 04:24.42 | cogwheel | Shirik: oh... huh... i thought i had continued my thought but i guess not... /headdesk... guild spam in /2 on beta :| |
| 04:24.50 | dread | gotta love kernel compiling.. O.o |
| 04:24.50 | Shirik | oh haha |
| 04:24.54 | |Jelly| | 5k flash heal crit ... 4k overheal. i hate paladins. |
| 04:25.10 | Shirik | cogwheel: sign my charter plox |
| 04:25.21 | |Jelly| | Charter?!? |
| 04:25.22 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Nothing makes me madder than seeing things like |
| 04:25.27 | Shirik | +0 {10300} |
| 04:25.33 | |Yssaril| | is there a dev guild on the beta server yet? |
| 04:25.53 | Lonny | Anyone know how can I contact wowui.worldofwar.net admins ? I'm trying without any luck :P |
| 04:25.59 | Cairenn | no, because the one that was in place in the alpha is currently locked |
| 04:26.03 | Cairenn | Lonny: rofl, good luck :p |
| 04:26.08 | Lonny | Haha |
| 04:26.16 | Shirik | now now, Cairenn, be nice :D |
| 04:26.20 | Cairenn | errr, sorry, was that out loud? |
| 04:26.30 | dread | lonny, I know lothaer (one of the mods there) if that helps |
| 04:26.32 | Cairenn | damnit ... inside voice Cairenn, inside voice! |
| 04:26.33 | Arrowmaster | if it has a chance of reducing their page hits and thus their ad revenue they wont do shit |
| 04:27.16 | Lonny | Ah nice dread, can I speak with you in private about the issue at the hand ? :) |
| 04:27.35 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: so who were we suppost to poke about getting manually added to the the dev list? |
| 04:27.47 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: me |
| 04:27.51 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: poke |
| 04:28.03 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: gimme a sec, I'm in the middle of something else |
| 04:28.08 | Tem | We had the best name ever |
| 04:28.11 | Cairenn | just poke me again in a few if I don't get back to you |
| 04:28.16 | Arrowmaster | k |
| 04:28.38 | Tem | I can't wait for em to unlock our toons so I can tag my DK with <Secure Templars> |
| 04:28.45 | Cairenn | (I really should know better than to try going out for a few hours for personal time) |
| 04:28.46 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 04:28.46 | Shirik | or Cairenn could have me deal with Lonny and then take care of Arrowmaster :D |
| 04:28.49 | |Yssaril| | Cairenn: alliance or horde? |
| 04:28.54 | Tem | Alliance |
| 04:29.03 | |Yssaril| | bah |
| 04:29.06 | Arrowmaster | is there a horde one? |
| 04:29.08 | Tem | no |
| 04:29.11 | Tem | roll an alliance DK |
| 04:29.12 | Arrowmaster | boo |
| 04:29.15 | Shirik | Secure Templars? |
| 04:29.19 | Arrowmaster | but my warlock is horde |
| 04:29.25 | Tem | QQ imo |
| 04:29.32 | Tem | (there will probably be a horde one_ |
| 04:29.32 | Arrowmaster | its a pve server right? |
| 04:29.35 | Tem | yeah |
| 04:29.52 | Arrowmaster | did they force name changes? |
| 04:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: more of your outside voice imo |
| 04:29.57 | Arrowmaster | like they do on ptr? |
| 04:30.02 | |Yssaril| | yea prolly roll a gnome DK :P |
| 04:30.06 | kd3 | yes, but you can choose your original name |
| 04:30.27 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: hehehe |
| 04:30.34 | Arrowmaster | my warlocks name is from the random name generator |
| 04:30.39 | Dreagar | man, i wish i had a way to get in to the beta. just dn't have a publishable addon. :( |
| 04:30.57 | |Yssaril| | Dreagar: then publish one :) |
| 04:31.16 | Shirik | Dreagar: Just go to some random addon site, grab the addon, upload it to wowi claiming it's yours |
| 04:31.22 | Shirik | Seems like everyone else is doing it |
| 04:31.27 | Shirik | Don't get mad if I ban you though :D |
| 04:31.28 | Cairenn | and getting banned for it |
| 04:31.49 | Dreagar | lol. i would if i could find an idea that's not been done. LoL. i been dyin for oen that lets you JUST move the questwatch. ct does it but i don't want the extra crap. |
| 04:31.51 | |Yssaril| | how may people have you guys banned for that since the announcement? |
| 04:31.57 | Shirik | um... a lot |
| 04:32.06 | Dreagar | maybe i'll just do that. :) |
| 04:32.08 | Cairenn | there was 10 within the first day |
| 04:32.25 | Dashkal | lol. completely unsurprised |
| 04:32.41 | Tekkub | One was the key I tried to get in my cat's name |
| 04:32.42 | |Yssaril| | Dreagar: make a better version of http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9359#info :P |
| 04:32.54 | Cairenn | Lonny: okay, Kolghan account and mods are gone, except for the one that I transfered to lonny |
| 04:33.07 | Tekkub | "This isn't Mr. Whiskers! It's tekkub! That dick!" |
| 04:33.11 | Dreagar | lmfao no way! tekkub will tear me up even mre. lol |
| 04:33.26 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: PM me with your user ID # and whether you need a US or EU key |
| 04:33.37 | Lonny | Thank you Cairenn :) |
| 04:33.45 | Arrowmaster | id #? |
| 04:33.46 | Cairenn | Lonny: you're welcome |
| 04:33.48 | |Yssaril| | have Tekkub help you with it and then have it "Tekkub approved" :P |
| 04:33.50 | Shirik | Since that announcement |Yssaril|, 6.5 users |
| 04:34.04 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: go to your profile page |
| 04:34.10 | Cairenn | see the numbers in the link? |
| 04:34.31 | Dreagar | well i generally have him help me with everything i'm doin. so i suppose it's worth a try. lol. |
| 04:34.43 | Arrowmaster | give me a sec, i dont really use wowi that much so now i need to find the profile page |
| 04:34.57 | Cairenn | nm, I gotcha |
| 04:34.59 | Cairenn | US or EU? |
| 04:35.00 | Dreagar | bed. must go to bed. i'll start tommorrow. :) |
| 04:35.05 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=43659 |
| 04:35.15 | Dreagar | nite guys. :) |
| 04:35.16 | Arrowmaster | US |
| 04:35.31 | dread | tekkun is bukket backwards. I miss muh bukket. |
| 04:35.37 | Tekkub | oh I like that |
| 04:35.45 | Tekkub | someone make a paw icon for me |
| 04:35.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I have awesome posting stats on WoWI |
| 04:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Total Posts: 6 (0.01 posts per day) |
| 04:35.52 | Tekkub | "Tekkub approved" *stamp* |
| 04:36.10 | Arrowmaster | i think my posts is 0 |
| 04:36.10 | Shirik | Total Posts: 258 (0.51 posts per day) |
| 04:36.11 | |Jelly| | BEST place to farm wool. GOGO |
| 04:36.14 | Shirik | that's a lot higher than I thought it was... |
| 04:36.25 | Arrowmaster | Total Posts: 0 (0 posts per day) |
| 04:36.47 | Shirik | I think I've PMed more users than I have made posts :( |
| 04:37.54 | Xuerian | Jelly... best place period? |
| 04:38.12 | dread | Total Posts: 2,099 (3.60 posts per day), I've been slacking. |
| 04:38.21 | |Jelly| | yes |
| 04:38.24 | Xuerian | Southeast wetlands, the gnoll camps are on a force-respawn |
| 04:39.01 | |Jelly| | not very horde friendly. might have to bring my priest instead of my lowbie. lol |
| 04:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | You have 2 messages stored, of a total 5000 allowed. |
| 04:39.17 | Xuerian | hardly anyone goes there |
| 04:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: looks like I have a 3:1 post:PM ratio |
| 04:39.34 | Shirik | You have 151 messages stored, of a total 5000 allowed. |
| 04:39.35 | Xuerian | It's out of sight of the path to the next zone |
| 04:39.39 | Cairenn | my post ratio has gone to crap |
| 04:39.39 | Shirik | and that's just the ones I saved |
| 04:39.44 | |Yssaril| | Tekkub: http://ogdenvalleycondo.com/319_42322-bjorn3d_bear_paw_bw.gif |
| 04:39.52 | Tekkub | Cairenn, http://www.calloffate.com/index.html |
| 04:39.54 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 04:40.12 | Cairenn | awww, cute |
| 04:45.01 | Duman | whee |
| 04:49.50 | *** join/#wowuidev soufron (n=soufron@12.157.240.105) |
| 04:52.39 | Shirik | oscon? |
| 04:53.13 | Shirik | You know what's a beautiful sight, ScytheBlade1? |
| 04:53.29 | Shirik | Calculating world dependencies... done! |
| 04:53.29 | Shirik | Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 kB |
| 04:53.29 | Shirik | Nothing to merge; would you like to auto-clean packages? [Yes/No] |
| 04:53.36 | Shirik | :D |
| 04:55.04 | cogwheel | wtf? I got a korean loading screen |
| 04:55.15 | Shirik | lul |
| 04:55.29 | kd3 | s/korean/chinese/ |
| 04:55.36 | Xuerian | lulz. |
| 04:55.44 | Xuerian | cog's true identity has been revealed! |
| 04:57.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48) |
| 04:59.38 | cogwheel | hai Sixen |
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| 05:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: less korean imo |
| 05:00.40 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: or more, that really depends on how much work you'll get done with your random addons that I use ;D |
| 05:00.43 | kd3 | hm... need to come up with icons for general goods and trade supplies vendors |
| 05:01.40 | *** join/#wowuidev quoin- (n=quoin@219-90-209-195.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 05:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 05:01.43 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ~win cogwheel |
| 05:01.44 | purl | Congratulations, cogwheel! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 05:01.48 | Shirik | how did I become a verb |
| 05:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 05:01.58 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Who cares? |
| 05:02.14 | batrick | man I always find that humorous |
| 05:02.31 | batrick | shirik |
| 05:02.35 | cogwheel | can't type... laughing too hard |
| 05:02.35 | Shirik | no |
| 05:02.38 | Shirik | whatever it is you want |
| 05:02.39 | Shirik | no |
| 05:02.45 | batrick | =( |
| 05:02.54 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 05:02.54 | purl | ACTION jumps into Shirik's lap and huggles and *hugs* Shirik |
| 05:03.06 | Shirik | so I wrote "j" all over the diff eq test |
| 05:03.08 | Shirik | instead of "i" |
| 05:03.09 | Tekkub | *burp* |
| 05:03.15 | Shirik | Think my prof will be mad? |
| 05:03.28 | batrick | maybe |
| 05:03.33 | batrick | my professors never cared |
| 05:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~shirik |
| 05:03.52 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 05:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, that's probably locked too |
| 05:04.04 | Shirik | ~factinfo shirik |
| 05:04.04 | purl | shirik -- created by Shirik <n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> at Wed Jan 30 06:37:34 2008 (173 days); last modified at Wed Jan 30 06:38:20 2008 by Shirik!n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik; it has been requested 5 times, last by ScytheBlade1, 12s ago; it has been locked by Shirik. |
| 05:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | So we can't change it to "a verb" |
| 05:04.08 | Shirik | yup :P |
| 05:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Darn :P |
| 05:04.22 | Shirik | cogwheel made it though |
| 05:04.25 | Shirik | then you deleted it I think |
| 05:04.31 | Shirik | and I was like "hell no" and put it back and locked it |
| 05:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Not quite |
| 05:04.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I told you how to lock it |
| 05:04.53 | ScytheBlade1 | You set it, and then I ninja-changed it in a PM and *then* you locked it |
| 05:05.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And you proceeded to /boggle over wtf had just happened |
| 05:05.02 | Shirik | something like that |
| 05:05.14 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:05.17 | Shirik | loooong time ago |
| 05:05.26 | Shirik | like in the first weeks of my being in this channel tbh :P |
| 05:05.51 | Shirik | back when I had no clue wtf purl was |
| 05:08.10 | Shirik|zZz | nite nite |
| 05:08.16 | Cairenn | night Shirik|zZz |
| 05:08.26 | |Jelly| | Night Shirik |
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| 05:09.12 | batrick | QQ |
| 05:09.17 | batrick | Shirik|zZz: h8! |
| 05:09.18 | Shirik|zZz | oh |
| 05:09.20 | Shirik|zZz | what did you want? |
| 05:09.25 | batrick | nothing now |
| 05:09.28 | Shirik|zZz | ... |
| 05:09.28 | batrick | we aren't efriends no more |
| 05:09.32 | Shirik|zZz | qq |
| 05:10.06 | Gnarfoz | can't help but think about xkcd |
| 05:10.22 | Gnarfoz | damn you randall! ~ |
| 05:10.48 | cogwheel | Shirik|zZz: it was mike-n-go |
| 05:10.55 | cogwheel | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/20070409.html.gz |
| 05:10.56 | Shirik|zZz | really? |
| 05:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|zZz: http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4346/emo20myspaceyu3mc5.jpg |
| 05:11.16 | Shirik|zZz | did you seriously go look for that? |
| 05:11.17 | Shirik|zZz | omg |
| 05:11.37 | cogwheel | Shirik|zZz: i copy/pasted the factoid into google... |
| 05:11.40 | cogwheel | and surrounded it with quotes |
| 05:11.42 | Shirik|zZz | oh |
| 05:11.44 | Shirik|zZz | nice |
| 05:11.47 | Gnarfoz | damn me for being an IRC junkie xD |
| 05:12.16 | Gnarfoz | up for 14 hours, and I can count my wow play time in single digit minutes |
| 05:12.26 | Gnarfoz | argh :D |
| 05:13.43 | Shirik|zZz | ok, just fyi |
| 05:13.53 | Shirik|zZz | me going /nick Shirik|zZz is not code name for "hey everyone send me PMs now" |
| 05:14.05 | Shirik|zZz | I now have as many PMs open as I have channels >.> |
| 05:16.01 | batrick | fine |
| 05:16.05 | batrick | i wont talk to u anymore |
| 05:16.08 | batrick | gtfo! |
| 05:17.21 | *** part/#wowuidev Ig (n=mouseclo@cpe-66-68-152-102.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 05:19.09 | batrick | is Cairenn around? |
| 05:19.17 | Cairenn | batrick: I'm here, what's up? |
| 05:19.30 | batrick | is the pet only for a single char, or for all the characters made on the acc? |
| 05:19.34 | batrick | (dragon kite contest) |
| 05:19.37 | Cairenn | no idea |
| 05:20.06 | Arrowmaster | single |
| 05:20.08 | Cairenn | it's a TCG code |
| 05:20.18 | Arrowmaster | and damn i want that pet |
| 05:20.22 | Arrowmaster | but its expensive on ebay |
| 05:20.32 | batrick | ive got an epic idea for an addon |
| 05:21.14 | batrick | Cairenn: is it ok if only WoWI people understand the "funny"ness of the addon? |
| 05:21.22 | Cairenn | sure |
| 05:21.26 | batrick | awesome |
| 05:22.10 | Arrowmaster | damnit damnit damnit |
| 05:22.21 | Arrowmaster | now i have to think up of something for this contest |
| 05:23.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: nooooooo don't destroy my chances of winning =[ |
| 05:23.25 | Arrowmaster | dont worry i have 0 creativity |
| 05:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I think there are only nine authors up there, despite eleven addons |
| 05:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | So ONE PERSON is permitted to add their addon to the category |
| 05:24.37 | Cairenn | you can have multiple funny mods, but you can only win once |
| 05:24.54 | Arrowmaster | damnit im not funny |
| 05:25.02 | Seerah | you have a couple weeks ;) |
| 05:25.28 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 05:25.37 | Arrowmaster | so i have 3 weeks to come up with something funny |
| 05:27.12 | Arrowmaster | hmm ok now i have an idea |
| 05:27.25 | Arrowmaster | except its extremely complex and maybe not even doable |
| 05:27.39 | Fisker- | ~kiss Arrowmaster |
| 05:27.39 | purl | ACTION forces Arrowmaster to give malikeye a big kiss on the ear |
| 05:30.24 | |Yssaril| | Arrowmaster: whats the idea? :P |
| 05:30.26 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: A few of those addons spam chat so technically should be excluded |
| 05:30.28 | Xuerian | >_> |
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| 05:33.04 | batrick | I made batbot for WoW before I did for IRC |
| 05:33.10 | batrick | I'd add it if it were allowable : / |
| 05:33.28 | Xuerian | Heh... Made a chatbot for Tribes2 once... |
| 05:33.39 | Xuerian | made it crash regularly, but that was beside the point >_> |
| 05:33.46 | batrick | I dunno if it falls under SPAM tho, it just responds to what people say |
| 05:34.12 | Arrowmaster | i actually was working on a chat game bot before that i could finish |
| 05:34.23 | Arrowmaster | it would only work in private channels |
| 05:34.43 | batrick | my guild abused it in a raid once while i was afk |
| 05:34.46 | batrick | and the GM kicked me lol |
| 05:34.51 | batrick | in fact |
| 05:34.56 | batrick | one sec grabbing SS |
| 05:34.58 | Xuerian | guildmaster or wowgm? |
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| 05:35.23 | Tekkub | I have the urge to get the beta downloading early... anyone got a link to the downloader? |
| 05:35.37 | batrick | http://www.csm-guild.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Batrick2.jpg |
| 05:35.42 | batrick | that's what happened :( |
| 05:35.52 | Fisker- | Tekkub is you're EU you don't need to bother |
| 05:35.52 | |Jelly| | http://i38.tinypic.com/2ylqmhv.jpg stupid druids. |
| 05:36.09 | Xuerian | lol, bat |
| 05:36.10 | Fisker- | Doesn't seem like we're going to beta test WotLK in EU anytime soon anyways |
| 05:36.12 | |Yssaril| | rofl |
| 05:36.17 | Tekkub | Fister, I'm US scum, thanks |
| 05:36.30 | Xuerian | Tekkub: http://wotlkwiki.info/WotLK-Beta-3.0.1-enUS-downloader.torrent |
| 05:36.35 | Seerah | rofl, batrick :) |
| 05:36.42 | Fisker- | reported Xuerian |
| 05:37.01 | Tekkub | too slow already got it |
| 05:37.08 | Xuerian | AHh, reminds me of being in wow... |
| 05:37.38 | Xuerian | |Jelly|: Got a few pallies in that group? |
| 05:37.45 | |Jelly| | Just a couple. |
| 05:37.46 | Fisker- | Any alpha testers here currently? |
| 05:38.06 | cogwheel | ~poke Fisker- |
| 05:38.07 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Fisker-, pokes Fisker- repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 05:38.23 | Fisker- | did they unlock the locked chars now? |
| 05:38.28 | cogwheel | yes |
| 05:38.30 | Fisker- | ... |
| 05:38.52 | Fisker- | Someone at Blizzard forgot to take their cyanide pills i guess |
| 05:38.54 | |Jelly| | http://i35.tinypic.com/2n15axf.jpg <-- WTB Blessing of Might! :P |
| 05:38.54 | Tekkub | that was a short "few weeks" |
| 05:40.46 | Fisker- | hopefully Blizzard will care about EU people next beta ;_; |
| 05:41.02 | Xuerian | wat r eu |
| 05:41.11 | Fisker- | durr |
| 05:43.24 | haste | I wonder the same |
| 05:43.36 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 05:44.27 | haste | I was actually flamed at heathrow since I didn't go to the EU line |
| 05:44.47 | haste | but norway isn't a part of EU |
| 05:45.04 | haste | so how should I know >:V |
| 05:45.11 | Fisker- | oh u scoundrel |
| 05:45.41 | Fisker- | but it's really awesome though |
| 05:45.54 | Fisker- | "We're locking your chars and bumping them to 75 so beta testers can catch up" |
| 05:46.04 | Fisker- | "Oh we're also fucking everything up so pretty much only alpha testers can play" |
| 05:46.21 | Fisker- | "Btw, we just unlocked your chars, screw the beta testers they're never gonna get in anyways"! |
| 05:46.35 | Fisker- | Blizzard EU = Win |
| 05:46.43 | Xuerian | totally. |
| 05:46.43 | Fisker- | how do we managed beta, etc. |
| 05:46.56 | cogwheel | Fisker-: eu's not alone |
| 05:47.07 | cogwheel | no on e i know has gotten beta invites |
| 05:47.18 | Fisker- | Not many has gone out |
| 05:47.32 | Fisker- | Don't know if that is intentional or not |
| 05:48.02 | cogwheel | snick cog|sleep |
| 05:48.03 | Thunder_Child | they hate you Fisker- |
| 05:48.10 | cogwheel | s/s/\// |
| 05:48.17 | Fisker- | owned cogwheel |
| 05:48.18 | Fisker- | bai |
| 05:48.28 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child nah they just hate EU |
| 05:48.40 | Thunder_Child | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH PUN! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 05:48.50 | cog|sleep | Fisker-: NO EU! |
| 05:48.50 | Xuerian | hurr hurr |
| 05:48.59 | Xuerian | he madea FUNNY |
| 05:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: technically that's all that my addon does :D |
| 05:49.16 | Xuerian | :P |
| 05:49.18 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, all it does is make a funny? |
| 05:49.19 | Fisker- | it's the truth? |
| 05:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("No illegal addons detected!") |
| 05:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | </addon> |
| 05:49.41 | Fisker- | Atleast i know i don't need to do any beta testing |
| 05:49.45 | Fisker- | just sit back and enjoy the beta |
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| 05:50.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kody-] by ChanServ |
| 05:50.07 | Fisker- | Betatesting on EU is like shouting at a door |
| 05:50.21 | Xuerian | You know |
| 05:50.26 | Xuerian | I thought the US was bad |
| 05:50.27 | Fisker- | and all you get in the end is a CM who slams the door in your face |
| 05:50.30 | Thunder_Child | thats because you never got out of alpha testing Fisker-, it's always been you playing with yourself |
| 05:50.33 | Xuerian | But you're making a pretty good case for the EU too |
| 05:50.34 | Xuerian | :p |
| 05:51.37 | Fisker- | I have the bestest proof |
| 05:51.46 | Fisker- | On the general discussion forum, on the beta forums |
| 05:51.59 | Fisker- | There was a thread made around a month before the beta ended named "FUCK YOU BLIZZARD" |
| 05:52.27 | Fisker- | It reached 10 pages and was removed when EU figured that there was this thing called "end of beta event" they had never heard of |
| 05:53.23 | Fisker- | Not to mention that good betatesters in TBC on the US side apparently got put on the F&F list, or atleast was given something |
| 05:53.42 | Fisker- | When i asked EU then i was just told that TBC WAS the "reward" |
| 05:53.52 | Fisker- | i.e. playing the beta that is |
| 05:54.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a pretty common result from stuff like that |
| 05:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, people whining about their accounts being closed, saying, "give me another chance" |
| 05:54.24 | Fisker- | Yeah what a great reward, beta testing and then you don't even want to do your job as community managers and make sure it actually wasn't in vain |
| 05:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "The fact that you can open another account IS your second chance" |
| 05:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 05:55.18 | Fisker- | What does that have to do with anything ScytheBlade1 ? :o |
| 05:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just their line of thought |
| 05:55.33 | ScytheBlade1 | In a lot of cases |
| 05:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's very similar |
| 05:55.48 | Fisker- | Well that one isn't bad |
| 05:56.14 | Fisker- | if your account was closed then of course you shouldn't get another chance :P |
| 05:56.46 | Fisker- | But if you did a good job at betatesting i'd expect some more than "Playing the beta was your reward, lol bai" |
| 05:56.54 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Dalaran_beta_map.jpg |
| 05:57.14 | nevcairiel | Error creating thumbnail: Unable to create destination directory :P |
| 05:57.17 | Fisker- | Though i guess they'd have to actually read the forums to actually decide who did a good job |
| 05:57.27 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 05:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: VERY nice job on that |
| 05:58.25 | haste | refersh and it works |
| 05:58.38 | Fisker- | If you're US you might just be a regular F&F kd3 |
| 05:58.42 | Fisker- | but of course not if you're EU |
| 05:58.58 | Fisker- | Then the reward was the smell of that dump you took yesterday |
| 05:59.05 | haste | oh rly Fisker- ? |
| 05:59.10 | Fisker- | ya rly |
| 05:59.33 | Fisker- | They might as well toggle ignore for EU cms on the beta forums |
| 05:59.48 | Fisker- | "Incompetent poster, ignore me lol" |
| 06:00.03 | haste | in after gimp |
| 06:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | "Sands of Alduran" |
| 06:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds interesting |
| 06:00.28 | Fisker- | "OMG IF YOU DOWNLOAD THE GAME TRHOUGH THE INGAME PATCHER THEN IT WILL NOT WORK AND I WILL BE REMOVING ANY REFERENCE TO IT" |
| 06:00.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And entirely non descriptive |
| 06:00.36 | Fisker- | retard |
| 06:00.42 | kd3 | the name's about all we know |
| 06:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kinda what I guessed from the complete lack of info about it |
| 06:01.03 | Fisker- | nah |
| 06:01.07 | Fisker- | it was showed at wwi |
| 06:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 06:01.16 | Fisker- | yes |
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| 06:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | So.... what is it? |
| 06:02.18 | Fisker- | It's some sewer thingy |
| 06:02.34 | nevcairiel | dont trust fisker |
| 06:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ..."Sands" = sewer? |
| 06:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Little skeptical here |
| 06:02.48 | Fisker- | Go look it up yourself then |
| 06:02.58 | Fisker- | Probably someone who paid attention at WWI and wrote it down |
| 06:03.14 | Fisker- | It was something about you were in a sewer |
| 06:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sands+of+Alduran%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 06:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Google disagrees with you |
| 06:03.28 | haste | Fisker-: http://beverpung.net/images/nix/2008-07-22-080016_1680x1050_scrot.png |
| 06:03.34 | Fisker- | it wasn't named duh |
| 06:03.44 | Fisker- | and there was this sewage pipe that would break line of sight with waste |
| 06:03.49 | Fisker- | and then there were 2 movable crates |
| 06:03.53 | Fisker- | that also broke los |
| 06:04.12 | Fisker- | :( haste |
| 06:04.30 | Fisker- | besides for being for the burning crusade |
| 06:04.31 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: thats the new arena, not the battle ground, duh! |
| 06:04.43 | Fisker- | ah |
| 06:04.46 | Fisker- | They also mentioned that |
| 06:04.47 | haste | there are for WotLK also Fisker- |
| 06:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: way to leave your tags unmasked |
| 06:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "haste3k" |
| 06:05.11 | haste | ScytheBlade1: oh noes! |
| 06:05.12 | nevcairiel | only pic i can find in reference to the BG: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/june/wwi/pvp-37.jpg |
| 06:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha and youre-mail |
| 06:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | *your |
| 06:05.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind |
| 06:05.30 | haste | ScytheBlade1: my e-mail is all over the place from before |
| 06:05.31 | Fisker- | The new BG is a enemy territory like BG |
| 06:05.35 | nevcairiel | ah some more |
| 06:05.39 | Fisker- | It starts with one faction having to assault the defending team |
| 06:05.42 | haste | and so is my name |
| 06:05.48 | Fisker- | and they take control points |
| 06:05.51 | nevcairiel | -35 to -39 of that link |
| 06:06.04 | Fisker- | And if they take all control points they win |
| 06:06.16 | Fisker- | and then it's the offensive team that has to defend, and the defending team that as to attack |
| 06:06.23 | nevcairiel | One team will attack and the other one defend, you will have a specific amount of time to succeed. After the end of the round teams will switch sides. |
| 06:06.31 | nevcairiel | nice for a BG, really |
| 06:06.43 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 06:07.02 | nevcairiel | with siege weapons |
| 06:07.03 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 06:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
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| 06:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's closer to WSG than it is to AB/EotS/AV in the sense of the amount of player ability it takes to win |
| 06:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, more like player effort, not really ability |
| 06:08.47 | nevcairiel | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/june/wwi/pvp-36.jpg |
| 06:08.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmmmm indeed |
| 06:08.52 | nevcairiel | best img of it imho :P |
| 06:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ tanks |
| 06:09.23 | nevcairiel | siege vehicles! |
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| 06:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 06:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | But probably not literal tanks ;) |
| 06:09.56 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 06:10.01 | nevcairiel | did you see the gnome versions? |
| 06:10.06 | nevcairiel | looks pretty tank-ish |
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| 06:10.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 06:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Duh |
| 06:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah sorry, it's late and I'm somewhat medicated |
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| 06:11.19 | Fisker- | i want to play nevcairiel ;_; |
| 06:11.29 | nevcairiel | you cant even sign up in the EU |
| 06:12.05 | Fisker- | ? |
| 06:12.07 | nevcairiel | so good luck with that |
| 06:12.16 | Fisker- | of course i can sign up in the EU |
| 06:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | What's in the Prison/Violet Citadel? |
| 06:12.39 | Fisker- | i fucking hate copy protections |
| 06:12.56 | Fisker- | now my cursor have been changed out with a disc from securom |
| 06:13.00 | Fisker- | and it won't change back |
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| 06:23.10 | Xuerian | Fisker-: Why aren't you running with a cracked exe anyways? |
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| 06:27.50 | cncfanatics | g'morning all |
| 06:28.01 | Thunder_Child | hello cncfanatics |
| 06:28.15 | cncfanatics | WTB deathknight picking peacebloom to level his inscription |
| 06:28.54 | Thunder_Child | inscriptions use herb for reagents cncfanatics? |
| 06:29.00 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 06:29.23 | Thunder_Child | odd...though it will let me use up the lower level stuff i have the |
| 06:29.24 | Thunder_Child | n |
| 06:29.33 | cncfanatics | its gonna be funny |
| 06:29.39 | cncfanatics | dk's picking peacebloom <3 |
| 06:29.58 | Thunder_Child | whats the link? i dont get herbs as spell enhancment reagents |
| 06:30.05 | Yssaril | do DK start of with any level of professions or do you have to go back and grind them out to the 55lvl |
| 06:30.08 | Thunder_Child | disenchanting seems more liekly |
| 06:30.53 | batrick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIdX5WGrRE&feature=related |
| 06:30.56 | batrick | WOW LOOK AT THAT |
| 06:30.58 | cncfanatics | start with secondary profs at level 55*5 |
| 06:31.01 | batrick | LIVING BOMB IS TOTALLY AWESOME |
| 06:31.09 | cncfanatics | it is ? |
| 06:31.12 | batrick | NO |
| 06:31.16 | batrick | it's not. |
| 06:31.17 | cncfanatics | mages were crying it was shit before even knowing what it did |
| 06:31.25 | cncfanatics | so, what exactly does it do ? |
| 06:31.26 | batrick | umm, that video sorta proves it |
| 06:31.26 | Yssaril | so you have FA, cooking and fishing at 55*5? |
| 06:31.38 | batrick | but im sure they're hiding some details |
| 06:31.41 | cncfanatics | can't access youtube at work |
| 06:31.41 | batrick | like gear or rank |
| 06:31.48 | batrick | basically does shit dmg |
| 06:31.52 | cncfanatics | Yssaril: yea |
| 06:31.59 | batrick | and even if it the dmg was pretty good, it's still a shitty idea |
| 06:32.11 | Yssaril | whoot that will be the highest fishing i ever got :P |
| 06:32.19 | batrick | last thing blizzard should be doing is further encourage mages to go kamakaze groups of enemies |
| 06:32.35 | batrick | kamakaze(sp?) |
| 06:32.35 | batbot | batrick, kamikaze. |
| 06:32.37 | cncfanatics | its an AoE you can use while casting other stuff right ? |
| 06:32.43 | batrick | knew there was an 'i' in there somewhere |
| 06:32.53 | batrick | cncfanatics: yes |
| 06:32.59 | cncfanatics | thats a decent idea tbh |
| 06:33.12 | batrick | honestly the idea is dumb imo |
| 06:33.19 | cncfanatics | mages were always ment to make water anyway |
| 06:33.22 | cncfanatics | get making water & die :p |
| 06:33.24 | batrick | all the upper teir fire talents except dragon's breath were poor ideas |
| 06:33.31 | batrick | combustion was always lackluster |
| 06:33.32 | cncfanatics | agree hehe |
| 06:33.42 | cncfanatics | I used to be a firemage pretbc |
| 06:33.59 | cncfanatics | rerolled as soon as he hit 70 and I noticed how shit his dmg was compared to what it used to be |
| 06:34.01 | batrick | I never ever got combustion preBC |
| 06:34.06 | batrick | because I could tell immediately it was a pos |
| 06:34.18 | batrick | It's still a pretty bad talent |
| 06:34.35 | cncfanatics | its not that bad |
| 06:34.40 | cncfanatics | for 1 talent point its worth it |
| 06:34.42 | batrick | apparently warlocks are going to dominate wotlk |
| 06:34.45 | cncfanatics | if ur already that deep i fire anyway |
| 06:34.54 | cncfanatics | nah |
| 06:35.00 | cncfanatics | blizz is still tweaking stuff |
| 06:35.17 | cncfanatics | stop making apparently <insert class here> are going to dominate wotlk comments |
| 06:35.24 | cncfanatics | they're silly while its still in beta |
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| 06:35.33 | cncfanatics | heck, they're silly even when wotlk is released |
| 06:35.35 | batrick | I like how mages are only getting some "polish" later according to tigole or some blue |
| 06:35.39 | cncfanatics | as there will be nerfed/buffs at release |
| 06:35.46 | batrick | umm, there have been videos |
| 06:35.54 | batrick | and warlocks were beasting shit in pve |
| 06:35.58 | batrick | while mages are still sub par |
| 06:36.02 | batrick | it's really fucking rediculous |
| 06:36.12 | cncfanatics | well, you *could* reroll a lock |
| 06:36.22 | batrick | even after a whole line of nerfs to warlocks recently, they're still dominating |
| 06:36.35 | batrick | I don't PVE, but that doesn't mean I don't find it bull shit |
| 06:36.46 | batrick | I used to pve when mages were the best ranged dps, as they should be |
| 06:36.56 | batrick | BWL -> AQ -> Nax |
| 06:37.04 | cncfanatics | yea, same |
| 06:37.05 | batrick | Fire mages were the shit back then |
| 06:37.11 | cncfanatics | heh, i've been fire all the way |
| 06:37.13 | cncfanatics | even in BWL |
| 06:37.18 | cncfanatics | and I was *always* top dmg |
| 06:37.27 | cncfanatics | abused vulnerability mobs in bwl though |
| 06:37.35 | batrick | ya I hear ya |
| 06:37.44 | batrick | I quit PVE because it sucks your life away :P |
| 06:37.57 | hiflyer | why _should_ mages be the best ranged dps? |
| 06:38.13 | batrick | o jesus |
| 06:38.18 | cncfanatics | because they're the most squishy of casters hiflyer |
| 06:38.20 | batrick | there's plenty of literature on the net for that question |
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| 06:38.22 | batrick | go google it :P |
| 06:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Why _shouldn't_ they? |
| 06:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It's entirely subjective |
| 06:38.37 | cncfanatics | because that would hurt hiflyer's ego ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:38.42 | hiflyer | who cares? ever seen a hunter take a few hits from a raid boss? |
| 06:38.46 | hiflyer | and live |
| 06:38.50 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 06:38.54 | cncfanatics | I saw a raid boss run to a hunter |
| 06:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hiflyer: 30sec CD feign death. |
| 06:38.56 | cncfanatics | and he FD'd |
| 06:39.11 | cncfanatics | anything else to enlighten us about ? |
| 06:39.13 | batrick | seriously, that's flame bait |
| 06:39.20 | hiflyer | so it's not about being squishy, it's about aggro control then? |
| 06:39.22 | batrick | There are forums for that question |
| 06:39.26 | batrick | dont bring that shit into IRC pls |
| 06:39.42 | hiflyer | you brought it with the "mages should be best ranged dps" qq |
| 06:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | fwiw I have a mage, my mage is my one and only true love, and I don't think that we should be "top ranged damage" |
| 06:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I think that the 600 DPS gap with hunters needs to be closed |
| 06:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And we need to be "situationally top ranged damage" |
| 06:40.37 | cncfanatics | aka, in aoe situations ? |
| 06:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | aoe is a gimmick |
| 06:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a rather imporant gimmick |
| 06:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *important |
| 06:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | But at the end of the day there are precious few bosses where AoE matters at all |
| 06:41.28 | cncfanatics | well |
| 06:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (Never mind the inherent advantage locks have with Seed of Corruption being insane DPS and 30 yard+ range) |
| 06:41.33 | cncfanatics | don't forget we don't know wotlk bosses yet |
| 06:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 06:41.42 | cncfanatics | and also |
| 06:41.53 | cncfanatics | a blue admitted SoC was better then they expected it would be |
| 06:41.55 | cncfanatics | WAY better |
| 06:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But unless they swap mage and warlock AoE scaling, locks will almost always win due to the range component, and mages needing to be up close to maintain acceptable AoE DPS |
| 06:42.20 | batrick | Bosses should have easy to kill minons that shit like Blizzard or AE would take care of |
| 06:42.23 | batrick | instead |
| 06:42.34 | batrick | if blizzard does add minions, they're fucking powerhouses that have to be offtanked |
| 06:42.45 | batrick | Blizzard puts 0 thought into these "AOE" boss encounters |
| 06:42.59 | cncfanatics | well, they learned a lot |
| 06:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: see tidewalker for instance? The murlocs? |
| 06:43.04 | batrick | shit, one fight where I thought mages might be useful was that worm fight in AQ |
| 06:43.04 | cncfanatics | lets see what they make of Wotlk |
| 06:43.10 | batrick | instead of AOEing that shit we have to fear it |
| 06:43.45 | batrick | ScytheBlade1: I'm speaking with 1.X background, which I realize is seriously outdated |
| 06:43.54 | batrick | but I've seen nothing to change my stance on how blizzard handles this |
| 06:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: I have a 1.x background also, and I remember being a fire mage in MC and pulling #2 overall DPS next to a rogue |
| 06:44.23 | batrick | I'm talking about encounters where mages "AOE" |
| 06:44.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 06:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 06:44.50 | digmouse | MH trash fight |
| 06:44.53 | cncfanatics | aq supression room |
| 06:45.01 | cncfanatics | I loved that damn room |
| 06:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, but at the end of the day |
| 06:45.11 | batrick | you mean BWL cnc? |
| 06:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Gimmick or no? |
| 06:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | No he means the AQ gauntelt |
| 06:45.21 | hiflyer | if mages are good AoE AND the best ranged dps then we have Naxx all over again where all you bring is mages except 1 hunter for tranq and a lock for Curse of elements for the mages. But I guess that's what you want back |
| 06:45.30 | digmouse | seems that TAQ tunnel |
| 06:45.40 | digmouse | spawning bugs all over |
| 06:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hiflyer: quoting me: "and I don't think that we should be 'top ranged damage'" |
| 06:45.54 | batrick | hiflyer: right now they want competitive ranged dps |
| 06:45.59 | cncfanatics | hiflyer: personaly, I want all ranged dps to be on par dps with eachother |
| 06:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Quit speaking in absolutes, you'll get a lot further here |
| 06:46.07 | cncfanatics | so the top one is actualy the most skilled one |
| 06:46.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not against them switching up boss armor and/or resistances to weight a fight towards any one method or class of damage dealing |
| 06:47.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But right now the exact opposite is true in Sunwell |
| 06:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Hunters do more DPS by a _lot_, are ranged, have a superior threat dump, and you can stick a mage outside to buff AI and hand out food |
| 06:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | As it stands now there's not many reasons to bring a mage to a Sunwell instance, is that what we want? |
| 06:47.55 | cncfanatics | AI ? |
| 06:47.59 | cncfanatics | you don't have to AI in sunwell |
| 06:48.01 | cncfanatics | you have the naaru buff |
| 06:48.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 06:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~win cncfanatics |
| 06:48.05 | purl | Congratulations, cncfanatics! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 06:48.06 | cncfanatics | just let them make a table |
| 06:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Truth |
| 06:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry |
| 06:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Even less reason to bring a mage |
| 06:48.27 | hiflyer | ScytheBlade1: the you-part was aimed at batrick. I do read what you write |
| 06:48.28 | Fisker- | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:48.28 | purl | ScytheBlade1: FAIL! |
| 06:48.42 | cncfanatics | hiflyer: maybe, but you read too much in absolutes |
| 06:48.43 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: naaru buff? |
| 06:48.47 | cncfanatics | s/read/speak/ |
| 06:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: wowhead "M'uru" for the buff |
| 06:48.56 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: that buff you get on quel'danas and its instances |
| 06:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 06:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | *K'iru |
| 06:49.10 | batrick | hiflyer is a sith lord |
| 06:49.18 | batrick | stop speaking in absolutes roffles |
| 06:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/K%27iru%27s_Song_of_Victory |
| 06:49.21 | hiflyer | cncfanatics: not to be an ass but "the best ranged" is pretty absolute to me :) |
| 06:49.51 | cncfanatics | <cncfanatics>hiflyer: personaly, I want all ranged dps to be on par dps with eachother |
| 06:49.53 | Arrowmaster | never seen that before |
| 06:50.05 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: its up all the time on my server |
| 06:50.11 | cncfanatics | but that might be because its magtheridon :p |
| 06:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "on par" can also change situationally. I'd loooooove for them to add a 365 shadow resist boss in Wrath. |
| 06:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd laugh endlessly. For weeks on end. |
| 06:51.23 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1: atm, warlocks would still beat you |
| 06:51.56 | cncfanatics | even if the boss had 365 resists |
| 06:51.56 | cncfanatics | s/resists/resist/ |
| 06:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: not by much in all truth - people overexaggurate the gap. wwsscoreboard.com lists the top DPS mage and top DPS lock as <100DPS difference |
| 06:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The DPS warrior/hunter/rogue gap however |
| 06:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That's.... large |
| 06:52.34 | cncfanatics | :) which is why I rerolled rogue from my mage at some point |
| 06:52.39 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 06:52.41 | cncfanatics | I'm a resto druid now though |
| 06:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nerf rogues |
| 06:52.46 | cncfanatics | so I don't really care that much anymore |
| 06:52.59 | cncfanatics | (can't find grps / guilds as a rogue, way too much of them :s) |
| 06:53.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wwsscoreboard.com/bossclassview.php?bossid=42 <-- Brut. class breakdown |
| 06:53.18 | Arrowmaster | ive been told that site isnt accurate due to special situations |
| 06:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hunter best: 3145 |
| 06:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Mage: 2753 |
| 06:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Warlock: 2817 |
| 06:53.52 | cncfanatics | huge, too huge |
| 06:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: yes, but all of the top ones link directly to WWS reports, which are easily verified |
| 06:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: but yes, that speaks nothing for WWS's accuracy |
| 06:54.25 | Arrowmaster | somebody said warlocks can use infernals on brut for an easy extra 200-300 dps or something |
| 06:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I wouldn't be surprised |
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| 06:59.28 | Amarande | hmm, is it safe to just copy the WTF files from one character's folder to another to set all your characters up under the same UI? |
| 06:59.33 | Amarande | or am I going to get strange behavior? |
| 06:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | In most cases |
| 06:59.43 | cncfanatics | you're going to get strange behaviour 99% of the time |
| 06:59.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Some addons save profiles locked to character names |
| 06:59.56 | cncfanatics | you'd have to edit the savedvars by hand and replace char names / server names / guid's |
| 07:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ... for the addons that save data for name/server/guid/etc |
| 07:05.19 | Amarande | pretty much I'm trying to avoid having to drag bars around all over again for every character |
| 07:06.01 | Gnarfoz | just mass-replace charname a with charname b and you'll be good to go, basically. |
| 07:06.22 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz |
| 07:06.24 | Fisker- | giev beta ;_; |
| 07:06.32 | Gnarfoz | giev beta, Fisker- |
| 07:06.35 | Gnarfoz | ~roulette |
| 07:06.36 | purl | ACTION watches gnarfoz pull the trigger: Click! |
| 07:06.36 | Fisker- | no u |
| 07:06.39 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: giev beta |
| 07:06.43 | Fisker- | no u |
| 07:06.45 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 07:06.46 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 07:06.48 | Fisker- | wee |
| 07:06.51 | Gnarfoz | moo |
| 07:06.52 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 07:06.55 | cncfanatics | wanne bet ? |
| 07:07.00 | cncfanatics | ~roulette |
| 07:07.01 | purl | ACTION watches cncfanatics pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 07:07.01 | Fisker- | you die |
| 07:07.04 | Fisker- | owned |
| 07:07.04 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 07:07.05 | cncfanatics | yep, as always |
| 07:07.36 | Gnarfoz | I'm going to bed, crying |
| 07:07.45 | Gnarfoz | because of: no beta =[ |
| 07:07.52 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 07:08.01 | Fisker- | too early for bed though |
| 07:08.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but I'm bored and also dread the possibility that otherwise I might miss our bear run scheduled later today |
| 07:08.52 | cncfanatics | its 9am |
| 07:08.58 | cncfanatics | no bed for me, work :'( |
| 07:09.14 | cncfanatics | beer runs > bear runs |
| 07:09.46 | Gnarfoz | beer = fail |
| 07:09.53 | Amarande | agh |
| 07:09.56 | Gnarfoz | alcohol = fail, for that matter :p |
| 07:09.59 | Amarande | which file does bartender4 save its settings in? |
| 07:10.08 | cncfanatics | <addon name here> |
| 07:10.15 | cncfanatics | s/>/>.lua/ |
| 07:10.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'd think people'd figure that out by now ^^ |
| 07:10.24 | Amarande | I can't seem to locate it, yet when I copied the character WTF folder into my alt's WTF folder, all the bartender4 bars were in default locations instead of where the first character had them |
| 07:10.34 | cncfanatics | ofc they were |
| 07:10.41 | cncfanatics | bartender saves settings character specific |
| 07:10.45 | cncfanatics | you need to edit the file by hand |
| 07:10.50 | Gnarfoz | not by hand you dummy |
| 07:10.51 | Gnarfoz | mass replace |
| 07:10.55 | Gnarfoz | use an editor :P |
| 07:11.01 | cncfanatics | well, with by hand I mea open editor, hit ctrl + f |
| 07:11.05 | Amarande | cncfanatics: under the character's WTF folder, or does it actually modify the AddOn itself? |
| 07:11.07 | Gnarfoz | one that has "search/replace in files" |
| 07:11.18 | Gnarfoz | all settings are in the wtf/ folder |
| 07:11.18 | cncfanatics | the wtf folder |
| 07:11.19 | Amarande | there's no bartender LUA under SavedVariables |
| 07:11.24 | cncfanatics | replace your first character name / server/ guid with the ones of the new char |
| 07:11.26 | Amarande | even for the first character |
| 07:11.30 | cncfanatics | there has to be :) |
| 07:11.30 | krka | Amarande: do YOU write RANDOM words in UPPER case often? :) |
| 07:11.45 | Amarande | krka: I'm used to referring to file extensions in uppercase |
| 07:11.52 | Amarande | probably because I got started in the DOS days heh |
| 07:12.05 | nevcairiel | just open the bartender configuration in game and go to the profile options, then copy the profile from your old char over |
| 07:12.09 | nevcairiel | no crazy file hacks needed |
| 07:13.36 | cncfanatics | ah, didn't know it did that :) |
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| 07:16.16 | Yssaril | is there anyway to hook when someone clicks on a link? |
| 07:16.45 | Amarande | speaking of links, you know what's weird? |
| 07:17.02 | Amarande | someone asked for a link to the mainhand warglaive ... like 3 people linked it, but as far as I know only I got disconnected |
| 07:17.21 | cncfanatics | Amarande: you were the first to link it ? |
| 07:17.41 | cncfanatics | wait, nvl |
| 07:17.51 | Yssaril | might have been unrelated Amarande |
| 07:18.01 | Amarande | nope, I was about the third |
| 07:18.03 | cncfanatics | you don't get dc'd for linking anymore |
| 07:18.11 | Amarande | unless maybe atlasloot tried to link it differently or sthg |
| 07:18.18 | cncfanatics | nah |
| 07:18.19 | cncfanatics | unrelated |
| 07:18.30 | cncfanatics | you don't get dc'd on linking |
| 07:18.36 | cncfanatics | only when looking up invalid items repeatidly |
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| 07:21.42 | laeg | there's just too much in pitbull to configure at 8:21am |
| 07:21.57 | nevcairiel | you also get disconntected for linking a invalid item |
| 07:23.42 | cncfanatics | you should get disconnected when trying to look them up afaik |
| 07:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ... I totally just poked myself in the ye |
| 07:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *eye |
| 07:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 07:25.13 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1: <3 |
| 07:26.11 | Elkano | na, I think the server is validating them when they pass through it so the one linking will get the trouble, not someone else |
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| 08:05.02 | Sargeras | omg ee |
| 08:05.04 | Sargeras | eeeeee~ |
| 08:05.07 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 08:05.11 | Sargeras | what are you still doing up? |
| 08:05.11 | cncfanatics | rofl |
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| 08:05.27 | Cairenn | trying to keep up with everything |
| 08:05.38 | Sargeras | everything? |
| 08:06.27 | Cairenn | we launched the beta key giveaway for authors on Friday night, launched a kite giveaway for them today, getting stuff set up for BlizzCon, etc etc etc |
| 08:06.38 | Sargeras | ahhhh |
| 08:06.41 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:06.48 | nevcairiel | we get kites? |
| 08:07.06 | Cairenn | I'm sure you remember how nuts it was last time we did the keys |
| 08:07.11 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: http://www.wowinterface.com/page-gonecrazy.html |
| 08:07.16 | Sargeras | I'm still waiting for blizzcon tickets to go on sale |
| 08:07.22 | Cairenn | you and everyone else |
| 08:07.40 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 08:07.42 | nevcairiel | nice idea :D |
| 08:07.46 | Cairenn | I'm not actually expecting to see them before August some point |
| 08:08.01 | Sargeras | true |
| 08:08.11 | Cairenn | since the other BlizzCons, the tickets only went on sale a couple months before |
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| 09:05.42 | Dolby | Sargeras is the man |
| 09:07.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:08.23 | Kalroth | werd |
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| 09:11.34 | Mike-N-Go | Something strange just happened on my server, Sisters of Elune. |
| 09:11.59 | Mike-N-Go | I was zoning into an instance, and my char got stuck. |
| 09:12.01 | Kalroth | It turned into Brothers of Orgrimmar? |
| 09:12.30 | Mike-N-Go | I tried to log back in, and it hanged, then next try, 'name exists' or whatever. |
| 09:12.44 | Mike-N-Go | And now, I logged to my other char, and the vendor would not even buy my items. |
| 09:13.27 | Mike-N-Go | And the buds that were in the instance, they got stuck there. |
| 09:13.32 | Mike-N-Go | Cannot leave nor harth. |
| 09:13.37 | Mike-N-Go | hearth* |
| 09:13.45 | Kalroth | Sounds like the server is foobar |
| 09:14.11 | Mike-N-Go | I hope the server restart will fix this.. |
| 09:15.36 | cncfanatics | Mike-N-Go: EU server ? |
| 09:15.51 | Mike-N-Go | US |
| 09:16.10 | cncfanatics | ok, I dunno then |
| 09:16.17 | cncfanatics | but EU servers were totally fubar yesterday |
| 09:17.07 | nevcairiel | now they took the EU beta page completly offline, kinda hoping that they are preparing to launch the correct one now :D |
| 09:17.18 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 09:22.50 | Adys | Antiarc: there? |
| 09:32.06 | Mike-N-Go | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202575538&sid=1 |
| 09:36.38 | bleeter | weee servers go boom |
| 09:36.53 | cncfanatics | servers go boom, yeeeey |
| 09:36.57 | cncfanatics | all get coding !!!! |
| 09:37.46 | Mike-N-Go | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202275505&postId=82016384759&sid=1#19 |
| 09:38.27 | bleeter | I wonder if they went boom on purpose, seems they're still trying to track down the problem of the 'late night latency' with some form of certainty |
| 09:38.34 | Mike-N-Go | I am going to sleep, haha.. |
| 09:38.41 | Mike-N-Go | Good night. |
| 09:38.43 | cncfanatics | bleeter: lol |
| 09:38.51 | cncfanatics | they shut down some services and didn't shut down the server indeed :p |
| 09:40.44 | Adys | http://lua.pastebin.com/d3e1e687b |
| 09:41.21 | cncfanatics | Adys: won't be ready anywhere soon rly :p |
| 09:41.34 | Adys | Yah im just bored |
| 09:41.43 | cncfanatics | try to figure it out then |
| 09:41.55 | cncfanatics | or if you have a phone, I'm at work, I can root phonecalls to your phone so you handle them |
| 09:42.14 | Adys | they'd be forwarded to greece wouldnt that cost a fair bit |
| 09:43.38 | cncfanatics | not rly |
| 09:43.42 | cncfanatics | I get calls from whole europe :p |
| 09:43.44 | cncfanatics | working for amex |
| 09:43.57 | Adys | What the fuck is Master of Anatomy? |
| 09:44.19 | nevcairiel | I still think its some kind of base64 encoding that hides a bit-mask |
| 09:44.19 | Adys | "Skinning all those dead animals has broadened your anatomical knowledge, increasing your critical strike rating by 15" |
| 09:44.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:44.40 | Adys | I got that at rank 15 |
| 09:44.42 | Adys | 5* |
| 09:45.22 | nevcairiel | Nice idea tbh |
| 09:45.31 | cncfanatics | a skinning advantage |
| 09:45.37 | cncfanatics | not huge enough to not want to take another prof |
| 09:45.37 | Adys | It's cool, but..creepy as heck |
| 09:46.25 | bleeter | u r creepy |
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| 09:47.39 | bleeter | Cairenn: lol @ your new comp |
| 09:47.53 | Cairenn | comp? |
| 09:48.00 | Cairenn | competition? |
| 09:48.01 | bleeter | heh, CSF 'servers go boom' thread threadlocked in about 15 mins |
| 09:48.07 | bleeter | yeah, the crazy addon one |
| 09:48.10 | Cairenn | ah |
| 09:48.15 | Cairenn | yeah :) |
| 09:48.20 | cncfanatics | bleeter, Cairenn: link ? :p |
| 09:48.23 | bleeter | game needs moar silliness, ppl need to lighten up ;) |
| 09:48.28 | bleeter | http://www.wowinterface.com/page-gonecrazy.html |
| 09:48.40 | bleeter | make a crazy mod, get a chance to win a dragon kite in game |
| 09:48.46 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 09:49.10 | cncfanatics | hehe |
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| 09:49.29 | cncfanatics | wish I had some time |
| 09:49.38 | cncfanatics | but between work & gearing up my drood I don't :( |
| 09:49.57 | nevcairiel | gearing up is overrated |
| 09:50.20 | cncfanatics | well, its fun |
| 09:50.24 | cncfanatics | and I learn to play a bit too |
| 09:50.30 | cncfanatics | dinged 70 yesterday and got 1k healing atm :) |
| 09:52.19 | bleeter | Cairenn: I never did fix that timing :( |
| 09:54.12 | amro | bleeter: guifications needs a better config interface |
| 09:54.40 | bleeter | meh, gf3 needs moar coadaz |
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| 10:04.46 | bleeter | whoa, seems like there's been a bunch of level rollbacks US side |
| 10:04.49 | bleeter | during the outage |
| 10:05.31 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 10:05.37 | cncfanatics | I wld be pissed with rollbacks |
| 10:05.41 | cncfanatics | if I got anything off worth :p |
| 10:06.13 | bleeter | one person in CSF reporting 3 levels gone, Blue poster in the sticky for the outage saying 'for those with level rollbacks we're investigating' so looks like it's a genuine issue not some random UI thing |
| 10:06.50 | bleeter | bah, can't enter world tho, so looks like not fixed yet :)( |
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| 10:16.37 | Krotus | level rollbacks?! |
| 10:17.57 | cncfanatics | Krotus: yea, your level 70 char is now level 67 again |
| 10:18.01 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202535539&sid=1#1 |
| 10:19.05 | Krotus | There is no way my 70 is getting roll backed |
| 10:19.22 | Krotus | unless they wanna rollback to around he release of BC XD |
| 10:20.09 | nevcairiel | Oh they will |
| 10:20.10 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 10:20.37 | amro | "Sorry guys, I put in the wrong backup tape... this one is from july 2006" |
| 10:20.58 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 10:21.22 | Krotus | I am at least on my server atm x.x |
| 10:22.15 | cncfanatics | I'm at work |
| 10:22.20 | cncfanatics | being bored |
| 10:22.26 | Krotus | any of you guys play horde? |
| 10:22.39 | cncfanatics | <--- |
| 10:22.49 | cncfanatics | 70 tauren druid, undead mage, orc rogue and bloodelf pala |
| 10:23.09 | Krotus | you on a pvp or pve server? |
| 10:23.19 | cncfanatics | two chars on pvp, two on pve :) |
| 10:23.40 | Krotus | ahh I am looking to move my rogue to a new pve server |
| 10:23.42 | Krotus | mine is dying :( |
| 10:24.18 | cncfanatics | all pve servers are |
| 10:24.26 | Krotus | why? |
| 10:24.50 | cncfanatics | because they have a smaller pool of people then pvp servers |
| 10:25.02 | Krotus | Yeah :( |
| 10:25.06 | Krotus | I hate pvp servers x.x |
| 10:25.33 | cncfanatics | why |
| 10:25.39 | cncfanatics | its not like you pvp on them more then on pve servers |
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| 10:25.54 | Krotus | getting ganked 24/7 gets rather annoying |
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| 10:26.54 | cncfanatics | that barely ever happens tbh |
| 10:27.02 | cncfanatics | I got maybe ganked twice when lvl'ing 1->70 |
| 10:27.07 | Krotus | ooo |
| 10:27.09 | cncfanatics | anyway, its dinnertime for me |
| 10:28.39 | Krotus | darn I wanted a know a decent server to join T.T |
| 10:29.29 | amro | cnc|food: you got lucky then. I got ganked dozens of times on each character |
| 10:31.13 | Krotus | yay thats what happned to me |
| 10:31.22 | Krotus | I got a lvl 50 alliance on a pvp x.x |
| 10:31.29 | Krotus | but I hate alliance :P |
| 10:32.37 | Fisker- | ~kiss cnc|food |
| 10:32.38 | purl | ACTION forces cnc|food to give starlon a big kiss on the hand |
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| 10:36.23 | cnc|food | my druid dinged 70 on maggy yesterday |
| 10:36.30 | cnc|food | never got to any serious pvp that logging my rogue couldn't solve |
| 10:36.47 | cnc|food | Krotus: get on maggy |
| 10:37.02 | cnc|food | if you want a raiding guild that accepts rerollers :p I might also be able to help you on that :D |
| 10:37.46 | cnc|food | (I'm EU though) |
| 10:38.03 | Krotus | eu server huh |
| 10:38.14 | cnc|food | you're US I supose ? |
| 10:38.18 | Krotus | yeah |
| 10:38.33 | cnc|food | thought so, judging from your isp :p |
| 10:38.38 | Krotus | ahh |
| 10:38.48 | Krotus | I play on one of the first servers |
| 10:38.56 | cnc|food | maggy is a release server too yes |
| 10:39.01 | cnc|food | its very active horde side :) |
| 10:39.09 | cnc|food | ally side is kind of dead though, but Idon't care :p |
| 10:39.14 | Krotus | this one has a dying pop cause of the top guilds |
| 10:39.16 | cnc|food | the less ally the better |
| 10:39.35 | cnc|food | well, maggy is one of the better known servers |
| 10:39.37 | cnc|food | together with kazzak |
| 10:39.49 | Krotus | they never allow any one new in and are the only ones that can do BT x.x |
| 10:39.49 | cnc|food | they're both "omg, free epix on maggy & kazzak, LETS GET THERE" |
| 10:39.57 | Fisker- | i'm fying cnc|food |
| 10:40.00 | Fisker- | dying* |
| 10:40.08 | cnc|food | Fisker-: can I help you with that ? |
| 10:40.17 | Krotus | yay I actully don't think any horde on my server has full t6 |
| 10:40.25 | cncfanatics | :s |
| 10:40.27 | Fisker- | yeah cncfanatics |
| 10:40.33 | Fisker- | giev beta |
| 10:40.33 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: tell me everything |
| 10:40.52 | cncfanatics | Krotus: go reroll tbh :p |
| 10:41.37 | Krotus | I am thinking about it x.x |
| 10:41.39 | Krotus | gonna suck |
| 10:41.42 | Krotus | I have T4 T.T |
| 10:42.15 | Krotus | + epic mount |
| 10:42.22 | cncfanatics | thats liek nothing |
| 10:42.31 | cncfanatics | two of my chars have t4 -.- |
| 10:42.52 | Krotus | epic mount took a epic effort to get |
| 10:42.59 | cncfanatics | not rly |
| 10:43.09 | cncfanatics | my rogue has alch transmute spec + JC as profs :p |
| 10:43.12 | cncfanatics | no effort involved |
| 10:43.17 | Elkano | epic flight form took more I think... |
| 10:43.27 | Krotus | soo you play on Magtheridon? |
| 10:43.32 | cncfanatics | yea I do |
| 10:43.39 | Krotus | that does have a low ally pop x.x |
| 10:43.40 | cncfanatics | my new main dinged 70 yesterday |
| 10:43.45 | Elkano | although WL and Palas can have a hard time for the mount quests ^^ |
| 10:43.51 | cncfanatics | might be one of the reasons I barely ever got ganked |
| 10:43.57 | Krotus | yeah |
| 10:44.13 | Krotus | I play on a server that is 25k ally 9k horde |
| 10:44.17 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 10:44.19 | cncfanatics | reroll ftw |
| 10:44.44 | cncfanatics | <3 http://www.warcraftrealms.com/activity.php?serverid=566 |
| 10:45.35 | Krotus | yea I am thinking dragonmaw :P |
| 10:45.50 | cncfanatics | I don't know eu servers, so, can't rly inform you |
| 10:45.59 | Elkano | questing in high ganked areas can be fun in case you're having a rogue/druid escort ^^ |
| 10:46.15 | Krotus | not really sure how fun a low ally pop server would be |
| 10:46.38 | Krotus | cause you know every one gets a pvp mood |
| 10:46.39 | Elkano | for bg/arena it doesn't matter |
| 10:47.00 | Krotus | it wont effect econ? |
| 10:49.36 | Krotus | yay I have no clue what class I would want to be x.x |
| 10:49.56 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.01 | cncfanatics | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5062066609&sid=1 is hilarious btw |
| 10:50.07 | Elkano | dr00d <3 |
| 10:50.10 | cncfanatics | that guy is such a fucking idiot I can't even find works to describe it |
| 10:50.12 | cncfanatics | Elkano: agree |
| 10:51.02 | Elkano | as feral you can tank and dd or even play healer in twink groups ^^ |
| 10:51.13 | Krotus | I hate druids x.x |
| 10:51.18 | cncfanatics | I used to too |
| 10:51.24 | cncfanatics | now I leveled one to 70 and I'm loving it |
| 10:51.25 | Krotus | its not the druid I hate |
| 10:51.30 | Krotus | its the cow race |
| 10:52.04 | cncfanatics | same here hehe |
| 10:52.04 | cncfanatics | I'm shapeshifted 24/7 |
| 10:52.04 | cncfanatics | and when I'm not I got noggenfogger active |
| 10:52.04 | Elkano | fNE ^^ |
| 10:52.04 | cncfanatics | alliance sucks |
| 10:52.07 | cncfanatics | go reroll horde already, failure |
| 10:52.28 | Elkano | na... started horde... |
| 10:52.38 | cncfanatics | HORDE |
| 10:52.47 | Elkano | but got a great guild now with lots of people I even knew before WoW ^^ |
| 10:53.12 | Krotus | horde is best beacuse they have a rock band x.x |
| 10:53.48 | Elkano | we have pink haired femal gnome tanks! |
| 10:54.30 | cncfanatics | WTS kil'jaeden tanked by a female pink haired gnome |
| 10:54.39 | cncfanatics | I always found it hilarious to see gnomes tank :p |
| 10:54.51 | Elkano | yeah ^^ |
| 10:54.57 | Krotus | pallys are the snoozyist class |
| 10:55.22 | cncfanatics | every class is cool |
| 10:55.24 | cncfanatics | in its own way |
| 10:55.29 | cncfanatics | I loved every single char I have :p |
| 10:55.51 | Krotus | I would play a shammy more if It had pants and not a dress |
| 10:55.57 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 10:55.59 | cncfanatics | I'm a tree |
| 10:56.05 | cncfanatics | couldn't care less about looks of gear |
| 10:56.05 | Krotus | its celery :P |
| 10:56.18 | cncfanatics | its TREE OF LOL |
| 10:56.38 | Krotus | i'v actully passed on a gear that would be a upgrade cause it was ugly |
| 10:56.44 | cncfanatics | :s |
| 10:56.46 | cncfanatics | you fail |
| 10:56.49 | cncfanatics | at an epic level |
| 10:56.53 | Fisker- | ~kiss Elkano |
| 10:56.54 | purl | ACTION forces Elkano to give zeroau a big kiss on the lips |
| 10:56.59 | Krotus | pish |
| 10:57.07 | Krotus | have you seem some of the head gear blizz has made |
| 10:57.11 | cncfanatics | ~gkick Fisker- |
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| 10:57.22 | cncfanatics | I'm a tree, I couldn't care less Krotus :D |
| 10:57.25 | cncfanatics | I never see my char's gear |
| 10:57.39 | Elkano | ~lart Fisker- |
| 10:57.39 | purl | chops Fisker- in half with a free AOL CD |
| 10:58.02 | Krotus | druids get a really cool looking mask |
| 10:58.03 | Fisker- | ~win Elkano |
| 10:58.04 | purl | Congratulations, Elkano! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 10:58.45 | Elkano | yeah I hated the dr00d badge leg armor not being pants :( |
| 10:59.05 | cncfanatics | I rly don't care about gear looks heh |
| 10:59.10 | cncfanatics | I'm nearly full cloth -.- |
| 10:59.20 | Krotus | what class is the orc signer in the L70ETC? |
| 11:00.07 | Elkano | still L70? no beta keys? ;) |
| 11:00.42 | cncfanatics | waiting for mine :'( |
| 11:00.42 | Fisker- | they're L80ETC no |
| 11:00.43 | Fisker- | w |
| 11:00.43 | cncfanatics | giv |
| 11:00.43 | Fisker- | now |
| 11:00.44 | Krotus | I think I am a gonna make a troll shammy to look like the troll in the ETC :P |
| 11:00.45 | Fisker- | no |
| 11:00.46 | Fisker- | GIEV ME |
| 11:05.08 | cncfanatics | Fisker- there is a beta key to be found in your behind |
| 11:05.26 | Fisker- | already checked, there's not |
| 11:06.21 | cncfanatics | you didn't go deep enough |
| 11:06.23 | cncfanatics | go deeeeeper |
| 11:08.18 | Fisker- | i went plenty deep |
| 11:08.20 | Fisker- | :o |
| 11:08.28 | cncfanatics | not enough it seems |
| 11:11.22 | bleeter | heh, apparently the only realm that was up at some stage was Onyxia, and everyone went rolled a Belf |
| 11:13.18 | cncfanatics | nah |
| 11:13.25 | cncfanatics | go check the orc & tauren zone |
| 11:14.20 | Krotus | so far this dragonmaw server is nice |
| 11:17.45 | cncfanatics | Krotus: go EU already tbh |
| 11:19.51 | Antiarc | Adys: I'm here now |
| 11:19.55 | Antiarc | I dunno if oyu still are |
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| 11:22.55 | Krotus | i can't go EU if I wanted :P |
| 11:23.39 | cncfanatics | yes you can |
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| 11:24.02 | cncfanatics | Antiarc: iirc, he wanted to ask you if you would mind to request to remove your addons from wowmatrix |
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| 11:24.21 | nevcairiel | nah that was Arrowmaster |
| 11:24.33 | cncfanatics | ah, ups |
| 11:24.43 | Antiarc | It doesn't really matter anymore, does it? |
| 11:24.47 | Antiarc | Since wowace is going bye bye |
| 11:24.57 | nevcairiel | thats what i was thinking |
| 11:25.20 | nevcairiel | but we get git repositories in return! |
| 11:25.25 | cncfanatics | which is good :D |
| 11:25.26 | Fisker- | oh u git |
| 11:25.31 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: no u |
| 11:25.44 | Fisker- | oh me |
| 11:25.53 | nevcairiel | oh yes |
| 11:25.57 | Fisker- | yes me? |
| 11:26.53 | cncfanatics | ~fail Fisker- |
| 11:26.54 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 11:27.01 | cncfanatics | I totaly agree, pul |
| 11:27.06 | cncfanatics | s/pul/purl/ |
| 11:27.13 | Fisker- | ~fail cncfanatics |
| 11:27.14 | purl | cncfanatics, you Fail! |
| 11:27.21 | cncfanatics | you can't just copy me |
| 11:27.23 | Fisker- | roulette fight cncfanatics |
| 11:27.26 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 11:27.27 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 11:27.31 | cncfanatics | I always lose |
| 11:27.34 | Fisker- | DO IT |
| 11:27.39 | cncfanatics | ~roulette |
| 11:27.40 | purl | ACTION watches cncfanatics pull the trigger: Click! |
| 11:27.43 | Fisker- | :O |
| 11:27.46 | cncfanatics | <3 |
| 11:27.50 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 11:27.51 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 11:27.54 | Fisker- | phew |
| 11:28.05 | cncfanatics | ~roulette |
| 11:28.06 | purl | ACTION watches cncfanatics pull the trigger: Click! |
| 11:28.09 | cncfanatics | muahaha |
| 11:28.17 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 11:28.18 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 11:28.32 | cncfanatics | ~roulette |
| 11:28.32 | purl | ACTION watches cncfanatics pull the trigger: Click! |
| 11:28.43 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 11:28.44 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 11:28.46 | Fisker- | damn |
| 11:28.57 | cncfanatics | Fisker- is dead !! party |
| 11:35.03 | Krotus | how do I get to a eu server then? |
| 11:35.06 | Krotus | but eu wow? |
| 11:35.15 | Krotus | *buy |
| 11:36.04 | cncfanatics | yea |
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| 11:42.10 | cncfanatics | Krotus: I wouldn't recommend that though, timezone issues suck |
| 11:43.15 | Krotus | I would raid in the afternoon :P |
| 11:43.30 | Krotus | then in my peak hours every one would be sleeping |
| 11:43.35 | Krotus | and not speaking english |
| 11:44.41 | cncfanatics | thats bullshit |
| 11:44.57 | cncfanatics | except if u go for a spanish , french or russian realm everyone speaks english :p |
| 11:45.03 | cncfanatics | well, more or less |
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| 11:59.54 | amro | are there any decent alternatives to trac? |
| 12:00.29 | cncfanatics | amro: do you mean trac as in svn tracker ? |
| 12:00.42 | amro | yeah |
| 12:00.53 | cncfanatics | fish |
| 12:01.05 | cncfanatics | its quite some faster then trac |
| 12:02.05 | amro | can you give me a link or more details? google is failing me |
| 12:02.18 | amro | all sorts of sites about fish |
| 12:02.54 | nevcairiel | FisheEye its called |
| 12:03.06 | nevcairiel | http://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye/ |
| 12:04.44 | nevcairiel | haha the authenticater didnt hold 24h in the EU Blizzard Store until it was sold out again |
| 12:04.46 | nevcairiel | awesome |
| 12:05.15 | Fisker- | must've been a big shipment the last time then |
| 12:05.27 | Fisker- | or news have spread faster this time |
| 12:05.58 | amro | thanks nevcairiel |
| 12:06.18 | amro | though at $1200, it's too big for our indie budget |
| 12:06.29 | amro | s/big/much/ |
| 12:06.45 | bleeter | amro: have a chat to norgs/mp, we're running fish. not sure how much we paid |
| 12:07.08 | nevcairiel | you can get a open source license |
| 12:07.14 | bleeter | the support, though, has been a little invaluable on the one or two times I'm aware that Esamynn used it |
| 12:07.16 | nevcairiel | wowace runs it too |
| 12:07.25 | bleeter | yeah, not sure how the OS licence plays wrt support |
| 12:07.35 | nevcairiel | probably not =P |
| 12:07.53 | amro | project's not OS though |
| 12:08.06 | bleeter | buggy as hell for us, then again we're using a buncha weird ass thing with mysql-proxys and the like, too |
| 12:08.14 | amro | maybe for next year |
| 12:08.35 | nevcairiel | our version is outdated like hell now, and the wowace svn is so damn big that it gets slow |
| 12:08.39 | nevcairiel | but it worked fine |
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| 12:10.23 | Fisker- | :( Codayus |
| 12:10.26 | Fisker- | you wound me |
| 12:12.05 | Fisker- | ok then i wound you |
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| 12:56.24 | bleeter | lol, rollbacks and people getting 2x gems that they paid 1x lots of badges for (not to mention, the badges have 'returned') |
| 12:56.55 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes a roll back screws you, sometimes it doesn't. Either way, the results are yours to keep. |
| 12:57.08 | nevcairiel | Not always |
| 12:57.13 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, are you awake yet? |
| 12:57.15 | nevcairiel | Sometimes they just fix their mistake :P |
| 12:57.20 | nevcairiel | and take your shit away |
| 12:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | True, nevcairiel. True. |
| 12:57.49 | bleeter | hehe, indeed. still odd to see it happen, seems far rarer these days |
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| 13:33.58 | Murdous | anyone know about klick? |
| 13:37.11 | Lopeppeppy | What does klick do, and/or some other claification question inserted here? |
| 13:38.12 | Fisker- | btw Antiarc |
| 13:38.30 | Antiarc | ? |
| 13:38.38 | Murdous | I heard about it from a buddy, klick (klik) is a healing mod that lets your shift/ctrl/alt click for heals. |
| 13:38.45 | Fisker- | you have any idea what that securitymatrix is in wotlk? |
| 13:38.47 | Murdous | just wanted to know if it was any good. |
| 13:38.56 | Lukian | clique |
| 13:39.04 | Lukian | yes it's good |
| 13:39.04 | Antiarc | Fisker-: Maybe the alternate login system? |
| 13:39.08 | Lukian | I use click2cast though |
| 13:39.13 | Lukian | I like keybindings too :) |
| 13:39.14 | Fisker- | it isn't active or what? |
| 13:39.18 | Antiarc | No |
| 13:39.22 | Fisker- | oh |
| 13:40.04 | Lopeppeppy | Clique rocks my world, no two ways about it. www.wowinterface.com |
| 13:40.13 | cncfanatics | mouseover casting > all |
| 13:40.16 | Lukian | Murdous, who would I want to DCC chat. |
| 13:40.18 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 13:40.19 | Lukian | why* |
| 13:40.21 | cncfanatics | I'm not into clicking |
| 13:40.31 | bleeter | facepalm casting > mouseover casting |
| 13:40.44 | cncfanatics | bleeter: don't abuse the facepalms |
| 13:41.01 | Lukian | cncfanatics, so you wave the mouse over the party frames and it heals? :p |
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| 13:41.37 | cncfanatics | Lukian: yea |
| 13:41.37 | Murdous | sry, slip... ty for the tips guys, what I got was some more addons to try :P |
| 13:41.44 | cncfanatics | I also have to slap some keys on my keyboard though |
| 13:41.48 | Murdous | clique click2cast and klik |
| 13:42.07 | Murdous | with grid of course |
| 13:42.11 | Lukian | (Is there actually an addon called klik?) |
| 13:42.15 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 13:42.18 | cncfanatics | iirc |
| 13:42.31 | Lukian | amusing! |
| 13:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | It's Clique, Lukian, if we're all still talking the same addon. |
| 13:43.39 | bleeter | ~lart MentalPower |
| 13:43.39 | purl | chops MentalPower in half with a free AOL CD |
| 13:43.47 | bleeter | you deserved that in public, mate :P |
| 13:43.55 | MentalPower | :P |
| 13:43.57 | Lukian | Lopeppeppy, that's what I figured, which is why I asked |
| 13:44.49 | cncfanatics | an aol cd |
| 13:44.50 | cncfanatics | ewwwww |
| 13:47.06 | bleeter | cncfanatics: his memory lapse deserved it ;) |
| 13:47.36 | Murdous | Nay, Clique seems to be offensive and defensive spells, Klik looks to be healing only. |
| 13:48.00 | bleeter | not afaik |
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| 13:48.53 | bleeter | Murdous: I you look at the screens http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5108-Clique.html it clearly shows some healing foo |
| 13:49.10 | bleeter | specificly the showbindings window screen |
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| 13:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | Clique is what I use for offense, defense and healing. There are three sets of spells you can bind through the interface, pretty much those categories too. |
| 13:50.25 | Murdous | I didn't deni, just said that klik looks to be inferior but different. |
| 13:50.41 | Murdous | deny* |
| 13:50.55 | cncfanatics | I set up my mouseover healing |
| 13:50.56 | cncfanatics | I love it |
| 13:51.10 | Lopeppeppy | All are different. Soylent green is people. |
| 13:51.22 | Murdous | ty for help guys. |
| 13:51.25 | cncfanatics | regular push = mouseover, ctrl + push = self, alt push = focus, ctrl push = target |
| 13:51.26 | malreth | my soylent green is made of puppies |
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| 13:51.58 | Murdous | with reg push how do you target? |
| 13:52.02 | Murdous | tab? |
| 13:52.15 | cncfanatics | mouseover a unitframe in grid |
| 13:52.23 | Murdous | I mean for mobs? |
| 13:52.32 | cncfanatics | mouseover the mob :p |
| 13:52.43 | cncfanatics | but I'll usualy use my assist tank macro |
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| 13:58.16 | Fisker- | Would WoW be able to make a variable unreadable using secure functions? |
| 13:58.36 | cncfanatics | ofc it would |
| 13:58.42 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 13:58.43 | cncfanatics | set a metatable that denies reading |
| 13:58.56 | cncfanatics | want a code example ? |
| 13:59.14 | Fisker- | nah |
| 14:00.57 | malreth | gotta love metatables |
| 14:01.13 | malreth | look at the addon Mazzlegasm Interruptus for an example |
| 14:01.44 | malreth | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6890-MazzlegasmInterruptus.html |
| 14:02.20 | Josh_Borke | malreth: i love the caption |
| 14:02.20 | Kalroth | wtf |
| 14:02.39 | malreth | the code is heavily commented. enjoy |
| 14:03.27 | cncfanatics | what exactly does it do ? |
| 14:05.11 | cncfanatics | nice hack |
| 14:05.21 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: prevents the mazzlegasm effect when configuring mazzle UI |
| 14:05.21 | malreth | it prevented the Mazzle UI configurator from causing your character to emote and /yell "I just had an intense Mazzlegasm!" |
| 14:05.40 | malreth | Iriel is really the person to credit |
| 14:05.46 | cncfanatics | what exactly does mazzlegaslm do and what is mazzle UI ? :p |
| 14:05.59 | Josh_Borke | i don't see that anywhere in the description malreth :-P |
| 14:05.59 | Murdous | google |
| 14:06.28 | malreth | Josh_Borke: it's like those drug commercials... it contains no actual useful information on what it does. |
| 14:06.42 | cncfanatics | explain plx :( |
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| 14:07.12 | malreth | Mazzle's UI had a configuration addon that would set up all the UI elements based on your screen size, class, options, etc |
| 14:07.13 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: google is a website that allows you to search and index of the internet |
| 14:07.17 | malreth | it was actually pretty cool |
| 14:07.24 | Josh_Borke | s/and/an/ |
| 14:07.28 | malreth | even had a little animated gnome |
| 14:08.06 | malreth | at the end, when you clicked the Mazzle your UI button, it would do its work and then cause your character to emote and /yell a mildly irritating phrase |
| 14:08.13 | malreth | some people didn't like that |
| 14:08.24 | cncfanatics | ah |
| 14:08.26 | cncfanatics | I get it |
| 14:08.32 | malreth | it also violates my AddOn Users Bill of Rights |
| 14:08.50 | malreth | since there was no option at the time to disable it before it happened... or ever, actually |
| 14:09.11 | malreth | so someone wrote an addon that hooked the function in Mazzle's UI that caused that to happen |
| 14:09.12 | Murdous | right to remain silence? |
| 14:09.25 | cncfanatics | <3 Mazzlegasm Interruptus does not protect against sexually transmitted diseases, such as HIV or pregnancy. |
| 14:09.26 | Murdous | not a bill but still |
| 14:09.29 | malreth | Mazzle fired back with a takedown notice claiming copyright infringement |
| 14:09.42 | malreth | and i'm a copyfighter so that made me angrier |
| 14:09.54 | cncfanatics | copyright infrigment ? |
| 14:09.57 | cncfanatics | it ain't opensource ? :o |
| 14:10.02 | malreth | no |
| 14:10.22 | cncfanatics | ah well, he won't be able to do that now |
| 14:10.27 | malreth | technically, the person who wrote the blocker did use Mazzle's source in his hook |
| 14:10.44 | Shirik | cncfanatics: open source does not imply lack of copyright |
| 14:10.44 | malreth | since his hook had to replicate Mazzle's work exactly |
| 14:11.06 | malreth | so Iriel mentioned that you can set a metatable on the global table like any other normal table |
| 14:11.12 | malreth | and block access to those functions |
| 14:11.30 | malreth | but, the cool thing is, you can limit that metatable to just the one function in Mazzle's UI |
| 14:11.31 | cncfanatics | he can get around that if he wants |
| 14:11.39 | malreth | thanks to the setfenv function |
| 14:11.46 | Shirik | how do you intend to get around it cncfanatics :) |
| 14:11.49 | malreth | and there is nothing he can do to get around it |
| 14:11.49 | cncfanatics | Shirik: I was asking that because most os coders aren't such dicks |
| 14:11.52 | Shirik | Hell, if you think you can |
| 14:12.02 | cncfanatics | well, its cat & mouse again of course |
| 14:12.17 | malreth | he could change the name of his function... that's about it |
| 14:12.18 | Shirik | --> return getmetatable("Some string") |
| 14:12.18 | cncfanatics | but wouldn't local SendChatMessage = SendChatmessage; work |
| 14:12.18 | batbot | Shirik: > leave this alone |
| 14:12.28 | Shirik | --> table.sort= function() end |
| 14:12.28 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "table.sort= function() end"]:1: cannot modify 'table' table |
| 14:12.34 | Shirik | Have fun getting through :) |
| 14:12.47 | cncfanatics | Shirik: reference the functions in a table somewhre |
| 14:12.48 | cncfanatics | pretty easy |
| 14:13.34 | malreth | regardless, Blizzard sent him a friendly suggestion that he should remove the Mazzlegasm feature or at least make it an option |
| 14:13.47 | cncfanatics | what did he answer ? |
| 14:14.28 | malreth | s/friendly/"friendly"/ |
| 14:14.38 | malreth | :) |
| 14:14.49 | cncfanatics | doesn't mean he has to do it still :p |
| 14:15.00 | malreth | they made him an offer he could not refuse |
| 14:15.09 | cncfanatics | which is ? |
| 14:15.12 | cncfanatics | remove it or get banned ? :p |
| 14:15.25 | malreth | severed horse heads under his covers |
| 14:15.38 | Murdous | bliz sex in the morning time. |
| 14:15.55 | cncfanatics | Murdous: thats an offer he could not accept |
| 14:15.58 | krka | hmm... how can you block SendChatMessage from one addon and not all the others? |
| 14:16.08 | cncfanatics | krka: mess with the env of the function who calls it |
| 14:16.23 | cncfanatics | its bypassable, but its anoying to do |
| 14:16.28 | malreth | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.9 |
| 14:16.30 | krka | right, but can't he fetch the value he needs from somewhere else? |
| 14:16.34 | cncfanatics | ofc he can |
| 14:16.49 | cncfanatics | but then we can block the place where he fetches it again |
| 14:16.53 | cncfanatics | cat & mouse ftw |
| 14:17.02 | cncfanatics | tbh, he doesn''t even have to fetch em from somewhere else |
| 14:17.16 | cncfanatics | lemme make a code sample |
| 14:17.22 | krka | ok, so it's always a dirty patch |
| 14:17.42 | krka | you could of course hook SendChatMessage to detect the input |
| 14:17.55 | cncfanatics | no |
| 14:18.08 | cncfanatics | secure hooking makes you unable to stop it from running |
| 14:18.11 | cncfanatics | unsecure hooking taints it |
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| 14:18.18 | krka | ah |
| 14:18.20 | cncfanatics | malreth: your code is bypassable with this: http://mibbit.com/pb/HAL8HF |
| 14:18.23 | cncfanatics | can you fix that ? |
| 14:19.01 | malreth | yes... unless you make that _G local |
| 14:19.07 | krka | you mean to write local _G i presume |
| 14:19.10 | krka | damn, malreth beat me to it |
| 14:19.15 | cncfanatics | well, _G could be a var named osdghbuysfbgdfiubhohuigygqgftio^shyb |
| 14:19.29 | krka | no, that's not a valid variable name |
| 14:19.35 | malreth | lol |
| 14:19.36 | cncfanatics | remove the ^ and it is ;) |
| 14:20.00 | cncfanatics | any way to stop him from bypassing ur env restriction by just fetching the global env I mean |
| 14:20.10 | cncfanatics | the name of the var is not very relevant |
| 14:20.13 | krka | he could of course write an addon that modifies setfenv in your addon |
| 14:20.15 | krka | et.c. |
| 14:20.28 | cncfanatics | nah he doesn't, what I said it much simpler :p |
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| 14:20.38 | Shirik|AFK | cncfanatics: Who cares if you taint SendchatMessage? |
| 14:20.41 | cncfanatics | and its actualy not a hack, its common to do that as it improves performance slightly |
| 14:20.54 | cncfanatics | Shirik|AFK: atm, noone |
| 14:20.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm KDE 4.0.5 got a lot nicer from 4.0 |
| 14:20.59 | Shirik|AFK | exactly :) |
| 14:21.05 | cncfanatics | dunno for the future though, I just rather not taint stuff |
| 14:21.12 | Shirik|AFK | you can't avoid taint altogether |
| 14:21.21 | cncfanatics | I try to as much as possible :) |
| 14:21.21 | Shirik|AFK | no sense hiding from it; just don't do it unnecessarily |
| 14:21.41 | cncfanatics | true |
| 14:21.41 | cncfanatics | though in this case |
| 14:21.48 | cncfanatics | hooking SendChatMessage might not be the solution |
| 14:21.57 | Fisker- | Shirik|AFK |
| 14:21.59 | cncfanatics | he can already have a reference to the unhooked func |
| 14:22.01 | Fisker- | i'm dying over here |
| 14:22.08 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: die faster |
| 14:22.15 | Shirik|AFK | Fisker-: too bad, I has authenticator |
| 14:22.17 | malreth | honestly, it is a social problem... not a technological one |
| 14:22.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 14:22.21 | Fisker- | i has authenticator too |
| 14:22.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 14:22.25 | Fisker- | is yours made in china Shirik|AFK ? |
| 14:22.31 | Shirik|AFK | is made in china |
| 14:22.39 | Fisker- | then we're both boned |
| 14:22.41 | malreth | no addon author should make users' characters take actions against their will |
| 14:22.55 | Shirik|AFK | to play devil's advocate |
| 14:23.00 | Fisker- | I require beta access Shirik|AFK ;_; |
| 14:23.02 | Shirik|AFK | what defines "against their will" |
| 14:23.10 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) |
| 14:23.17 | Shirik|AFK | Mazzle's argument has long since been "If you don't want it, don't use my addon" |
| 14:23.22 | Shirik|AFK | which, tbph, is a valid statement |
| 14:23.35 | cncfanatics | yea, true |
| 14:23.43 | cncfanatics | but its always fun to mess around with stuff :) |
| 14:23.47 | laeg | can i shorten [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead,mod:alt][harm,nodead] to [target=mouseover,,harm,mod:alt][harm] (-exists -nodead) |
| 14:23.50 | laeg | ? |
| 14:23.57 | malreth | harm implies exists |
| 14:23.58 | cncfanatics | eeek |
| 14:23.58 | Cide | the problem is that it affects other people too |
| 14:24.05 | laeg | malreth: yes and also nodead? |
| 14:24.06 | Shirik|AFK | uh.... no |
| 14:24.09 | cncfanatics | no |
| 14:24.32 | cncfanatics | laeg: I find such macros unhandy : |
| 14:24.36 | Cide | those people don't really have a choice |
| 14:24.39 | laeg | cncfanatics: :P |
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| 14:24.46 | malreth | agree with cide |
| 14:24.47 | JunkHead | hello. |
| 14:24.53 | cncfanatics | I rather set such stuff up using flexbar (a) |
| 14:24.53 | malreth | especially since I play on an RP server |
| 14:24.58 | cncfanatics | (which is what I did) |
| 14:25.00 | Shirik|AFK | Cide: What about, say, CLINK |
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| 14:25.06 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 14:25.07 | Cide | what the fuck is clink? |
| 14:25.09 | laeg | does anybody know if harm implies nodead? |
| 14:25.11 | Shirik|AFK | I don't have a choice to not see the crap it spits out |
| 14:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I'm awake now! |
| 14:25.15 | cncfanatics | it doesn't laeg |
| 14:25.17 | Shirik|AFK | an addon that "lets you link items in chat channels" |
| 14:25.19 | laeg | shit ty |
| 14:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: (for some unholy reason) |
| 14:25.21 | JunkHead | I got a question and was wondering if anyone could me find an addon if one exists. |
| 14:25.21 | Shirik|AFK | by spamming it to hell |
| 14:25.29 | laeg | i need more macro space |
| 14:25.40 | Shirik|AFK | (I have a better addon solution, but still needs a little refining) |
| 14:25.42 | cncfanatics | JunkHead: ask away |
| 14:25.42 | JunkHead | I'm looking for somethign similar to atlasloot, but for quests/quest rewards. |
| 14:25.43 | laeg | i installed supermacro and it didn't work because it's out of date |
| 14:25.52 | Cide | that's also stupid |
| 14:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, I fixed my baby at 1am. I got it to see a CD drive and chkdsk did the rest. *huggle* |
| 14:26.00 | Cide | but less stupid |
| 14:26.00 | JunkHead | Does anythign like that exist? |
| 14:26.09 | cncfanatics | not that I know of |
| 14:26.11 | malreth | JunkHead: not that i know of |
| 14:26.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: good to hear :) That's what it is there for. |
| 14:26.15 | laeg | cncfanatics: get on it |
| 14:26.18 | laeg | :P |
| 14:26.30 | malreth | JunkHead: wowhead.com ftw |
| 14:26.34 | JunkHead | well poop. |
| 14:26.44 | JunkHead | Oh well yeah I was just hoping for somethign similar in-game. |
| 14:26.59 | Cide | there's a solution |
| 14:27.06 | Cide | dual monitors and windowed maximized mode |
| 14:27.18 | JunkHead | Well I have 2 pc's already. |
| 14:27.22 | Cide | that's worse |
| 14:27.36 | Cide | that implies 2 mice and keyboards |
| 14:27.45 | JunkHead | second one is a laptop. |
| 14:27.51 | |Jelly| | KVM! |
| 14:27.52 | Cide | that's even worse |
| 14:27.55 | JunkHead | and both mice are side by side so it's not an issue.:P |
| 14:28.03 | Cide | that implies shitty mouse and tiny keyboard |
| 14:28.07 | cncfanatics | I'd mess up what mouse to use tbh |
| 14:28.16 | cncfanatics | wld pick up the wrong mouse when having to heal someone :p bad |
| 14:28.18 | laeg | can i use /run instead of /console for all intents and purposes? |
| 14:28.23 | Cide | no |
| 14:28.29 | Cide | you can't use it for any intents and purposes |
| 14:28.41 | JunkHead | Actually they are far enough apart so i don't make that mistake.:) |
| 14:28.42 | Cide | unless you want to substitute /console foo with /run ConsoleExec("foo") |
| 14:28.47 | doow | Cide: not if you use it with Synergy http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ (let's you share mouse and keyboard between networked comps) |
| 14:28.57 | malreth | i guess what the argument comes down to is: Did people install Mazzle UI to make their character have mazzlegasms, or did they install it to get a configured UI? |
| 14:29.35 | Cide | doow: right, but then you're still better off with just a second monitor |
| 14:29.40 | Cide | and it's cheaper, too |
| 14:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't Mazzle move to AoC? |
| 14:29.56 | laeg | Cide: how do i substitute it? |
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| 14:30.02 | laeg | i'm trying to shorten |
| 14:30.03 | Cide | ... |
| 14:30.05 | malreth | ScytheBlade1: *shrug* |
| 14:30.10 | Cide | instead of /console foo |
| 14:30.16 | Cide | you do /run ConsoleExec("foo") |
| 14:30.21 | laeg | ./console Sound_EnableSFX 0 |
| 14:30.26 | Cide | if you didn't get what I just said |
| 14:30.31 | Cide | don't bother |
| 14:30.33 | doow | Cide: cheaper yes, but synergy at least lets him use his current setup =) |
| 14:30.33 | laeg | Cide: right so it's not shorter :) |
| 14:30.37 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: pretty sure he did in the end |
| 14:30.40 | Cide | great powers of deduction there |
| 14:30.42 | Shirik|AFK | laeg: That's kinda what Cide is saying... |
| 14:31.02 | malreth | unless... |
| 14:31.12 | doow | Cide: but one comp with two monitors is what I use as well |
| 14:31.14 | malreth | you are setting multiple cvars in the same line |
| 14:31.19 | laeg | Cide, Shirik|AFK: i thought you were talking about setting up an alias somehow |
| 14:31.27 | cncfanatics | laeg: nop |
| 14:31.36 | Shirik|AFK | no, you asked if you could use /run instead of /console |
| 14:31.38 | Shirik|AFK | Cide said no |
| 14:31.47 | Shirik|AFK | and that is the answer, no |
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| 14:32.00 | Cide | yep |
| 14:32.02 | Cide | because I said so |
| 14:32.06 | laeg | heh |
| 14:32.19 | malreth | cide is always right |
| 14:32.29 | laeg | i know the answer is no i'm just explaining why i misunderstood his answer |
| 14:32.31 | malreth | ~cide |
| 14:32.32 | purl | i heard cide is the developer of the CT mods. He is also known for his bad temper |
| 14:32.36 | Shirik|AFK | ~malreth |
| 14:32.37 | purl | never take malreth seriously |
| 14:32.41 | Shirik|AFK | heh |
| 14:32.42 | Cide | bad temper? |
| 14:32.43 | cncfanatics | ~shirik |
| 14:32.44 | purl | i heard shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 14:32.50 | Shirik|AFK | didn't that used to be "malreth is always right"? |
| 14:32.52 | Cide | I'm usually never angry when I flame people |
| 14:32.57 | Shirik|AFK | ~factinfo Cide |
| 14:32.57 | purl | cide -- last modified at Thu Jan 4 02:56:11 2007 by sylvanaar!n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net; it has been requested 4 times, last by malreth, 26s ago. |
| 14:32.58 | malreth | ~literal malreth |
| 14:32.58 | purl | "malreth" is "(<reply>never take malreth seriously|<reply>malreth is always right)" |
| 14:33.02 | Shirik|AFK | haha |
| 14:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 14:33.43 | cncfanatics | hmmm, what am I anyway |
| 14:33.43 | malreth | random for maximum comedic effect |
| 14:33.45 | cncfanatics | ~cncfanatics |
| 14:33.46 | purl | hmm... cncfanatics is the flexbar2 author, or "<Orionshock> honem: it's cncfanatics , so FB is FlexBar" |
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| 14:34.14 | Cide | ~shirik |
| 14:34.15 | purl | shirik is, like, "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 14:34.20 | cncfanatics | ~emulate Cide |
| 14:34.21 | purl | Please remove this discussion from your consciousness. |
| 14:34.35 | Cide | did I say that? |
| 14:34.45 | Kalroth | I don't know, I removed it. |
| 14:34.54 | cncfanatics | ~emulate cncfanatics |
| 14:34.54 | purl | emulate cncfanatics is probably "<reply>In the beginning, the file was without form, and void; and emptiness was upon the face of the bits. And the Fingers of the Author moved upon the face of the keyboard. And the Author said, Let there be words, and there were words." |
| 14:35.00 | Cide | removed what? |
| 14:35.01 | Shirik|AFK | failure |
| 14:35.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail Cide |
| 14:35.07 | purl | Cide, you Fail! |
| 14:35.10 | Shirik|AFK | ~literal emulate cncfanatics |
| 14:35.10 | purl | "emulate cncfanatics" is ""<reply>In the beginning, the file was without form, and void; and emptiness was upon the face of the bits. And the Fingers of the Author moved upon the face of the keyboard. And the Author said, Let there be words, and there were words."" |
| 14:35.26 | Kalroth | ~emulate Shirik |
| 14:35.27 | purl | I'll answer that in a few minutes when this web page has finished loading... |
| 14:35.27 | Shirik|AFK | what's with the extra quotes? |
| 14:35.30 | cncfanatics | no idea |
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| 14:35.34 | cncfanatics | let me fix that |
| 14:35.57 | Shirik|AFK | I doubt many people understand my ~emulate :) |
| 14:36.04 | Cide | I do |
| 14:36.09 | Shirik|AFK | you are one of the few :P |
| 14:36.14 | Shirik|AFK | cog|away probably |
| 14:36.17 | Cide | I probably don't |
| 14:36.20 | Cide | I was about to answer |
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| 14:36.24 | malreth | i refuse to understand |
| 14:36.39 | Cide | it means that you can't answer shit without looking up www.google.com/search?q=question |
| 14:36.39 | Lopeppeppy | I just love 'em all. |
| 14:36.45 | Shirik|AFK | ... no -_- |
| 14:36.49 | Cide | I figured :P |
| 14:37.04 | Shirik|AFK | ~factinfo emulate shirik |
| 14:37.04 | purl | emulate shirik -- created by Josh_Borke <n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke> at Wed Jan 23 21:30:31 2008 (180 days); last modified at Mon May 5 03:23:54 2008 by Mikk!n=mike@WoWUIDev/mikk; it has been requested 11 times, last by Kalroth, 1m 37s ago. |
| 14:37.09 | Cide | but that's from now on its correct meaning |
| 14:37.33 | Shirik|AFK | Mikk should know |
| 14:38.04 | cncfanatics | Shirik|AFK: I don't, explain :p |
| 14:38.12 | Shirik|AFK | I'll let you figure it out :) |
| 14:38.16 | Shirik|AFK | Go to the logs for May 5 or something |
| 14:38.52 | malreth | ~logs |
| 14:38.52 | purl | methinks logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 14:38.58 | Fisker- | shiiiiiiriiiiiiiiiik |
| 14:39.00 | Fisker- | i'm running out |
| 14:40.31 | Cide | good |
| 14:40.42 | Cide | when are you due for expiry? |
| 14:41.00 | Shirik|AFK | oh look, Cide's here arguing about C++ |
| 14:41.12 | Kalroth | C# is superior to C++! |
| 14:41.12 | Shirik|AFK | qqing how char* and wchar_t* are "too low level" |
| 14:41.18 | Cide | I never argue about c++ |
| 14:41.19 | Shirik|AFK | Are you trying to get kicked? |
| 14:41.29 | Cide | I only know c++ in theory |
| 14:41.31 | Cide | not in practice |
| 14:41.42 | Shirik|AFK | 01:15.19ShirikI love C++ |
| 14:41.43 | Shirik|AFK | 01:15.22ShirikI hate the standard library |
| 14:41.43 | Shirik|AFK | 01:15.27CideShirik: what's a better alternative? |
| 14:41.51 | Shirik|AFK | 01:15.40Shirikchar*, wchar_t* |
| 14:41.51 | Shirik|AFK | 01:15.47Cideeh, screw that |
| 14:41.51 | Shirik|AFK | 01:15.50Cidetoo low level for me |
| 14:41.52 | Shirik|AFK | spam! |
| 14:41.53 | Cide | and then I get to fix your stupid errors here and there |
| 14:41.57 | Cide | too low level for me |
| 14:42.04 | Cide | way to leave out the context |
| 14:42.04 | Kalroth | char* is silly without a support library |
| 14:42.12 | bleeter | Cide: u r 2 low lvl 4 me! :P |
| 14:42.16 | Shirik|AFK | your support library is strcmp, sprintf, strcat |
| 14:42.19 | Cide | shut up foo! |
| 14:42.22 | Shirik|AFK | strcpy |
| 14:43.02 | Kalroth | I prefer the Delphi way of handling strings, it's just another variable, but if you need char* access, then you just cast it |
| 14:43.22 | Shirik|AFK | you can get a char* from C++ too |
| 14:43.23 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: that's what short skirts, batting eyelids and low seductive tones are for! |
| 14:43.30 | Cide | hey |
| 14:43.31 | Shirik|AFK | const and non-const |
| 14:43.40 | Cide | who the fuck uses delphi anyway? honestly |
| 14:43.47 | Cide | delphi is full of fail |
| 14:43.50 | Kalroth | pft |
| 14:43.54 | Kalroth | Said the Lua programmer |
| 14:44.00 | bleeter | hahaha |
| 14:44.04 | bleeter | Kalroth++ |
| 14:44.15 | bleeter | cide walked into that one |
| 14:44.23 | Cide | how is lua full of fail? |
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| 14:44.35 | Cide | there's like.. nothing there! |
| 14:44.41 | Kalroth | It's a wannabe programming language! |
| 14:44.42 | Drundia | unoptimized all around |
| 14:44.46 | bleeter | coz you code it |
| 14:44.54 | bleeter | oh, diff reasons |
| 14:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I think the proper thing to say here is to call it a "hack language" |
| 14:45.28 | Kalroth | Even Ruby is prettier than Lua! |
| 14:45.49 | Cide | if you argue about optimization or lack thereof |
| 14:45.56 | Cide | who dares even whisper the word 'ruby'? |
| 14:46.04 | Kalroth | I didn't mention optimization |
| 14:46.10 | Cide | Drundia did |
| 14:46.19 | Kalroth | He didn't mention Ruby though :P |
| 14:46.28 | Kalroth | Seems like your metatables are confused, Cide! |
| 14:46.45 | Cide | if anything, ruby is a wannabe programming language though |
| 14:46.58 | Kalroth | Hence I compared it to Lua. :) |
| 14:47.15 | Cide | "hay guyz, lez make a programming language were u can type english and it executs juz fine!" |
| 14:47.18 | amro | what's wrong with lua? |
| 14:47.20 | Cide | "great success!" |
| 14:47.35 | Cide | ruby is kinda fun |
| 14:47.44 | amro | ruby = tons of syntactic sugar |
| 14:47.48 | bleeter | so what's this about not being able to log into the forums if your password has a $ in it? |
| 14:47.54 | bleeter | *WoW forums |
| 14:48.07 | Cide | blizzard thinks you be stealing their monies. |
| 14:48.10 | Kalroth | bleeter: Give me your password and I'll try for you! |
| 14:48.11 | malreth | cide: that sounds like AppleScript |
| 14:48.13 | bleeter | fiar nuff |
| 14:48.13 | amro | ah-ha! I know your password now. well, 1 character. |
| 14:48.35 | bleeter | nah, a CSF regular in #wowcsf is reporting it |
| 14:48.40 | Kalroth | amro: You just have to do it brute force |
| 14:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is 234789pak;dfhsdkl;j231904dfkl;j |
| 14:48.52 | Kalroth | bleeter: is the first character in your password an a? |
| 14:49.02 | amro | mine is hunter2, as always |
| 14:49.09 | bleeter | Kalroth: 00:48 < bleeter> nah, a CSF regular in #wowcsf is reporting it |
| 14:49.19 | Cide | mine is |
| 14:49.20 | Kalroth | amro: sweet, how did you make those *******'s on my screen?! |
| 14:49.27 | Cide | lazorKILLER |
| 14:49.48 | foxlit | Meh, so you're familiar with my evil plan? |
| 14:49.52 | Kalroth | bleeter: I don't care about his password, I want yours |
| 14:49.58 | foxlit | [But did you know: you can steal people's account names through lua, np!] |
| 14:50.49 | bleeter | don't even need the game running to get an account name |
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| 14:52.52 | foxlit | bleeter: but it's way more trivial to get someone to run an addon than an executable :) |
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| 14:53.22 | bleeter | far more an effective phish, though, if they've not logged into the game for a few days and they get an 'account action' for something they did yesterday ;) |
| 14:53.58 | bleeter | hmm 'did yesterday' should be in quotes, too |
| 14:54.33 | bleeter | oh noes! our password hacks broke the forums! |
| 14:55.01 | bleeter | 'cept of course my bitching here fixed them again |
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| 15:02.26 | cog|work | forum login down for anyone? |
| 15:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel has a $ in his password!!!!!1111one |
| 15:03.20 | cog|work | huh? |
| 15:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, "Login Failed" |
| 15:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 10:47 < bleeter> so what's this about not being able to log into the forums if your password has a $ in it? |
| 15:03.36 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 15:03.37 | purl | ~lart3mis |
| 15:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Just a bit ago |
| 15:06.39 | Fisker- | i like passwords like: "$R<pMcsH" |
| 15:06.45 | Fisker- | especially on laptops |
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| 15:16.57 | AckisWork | My pasword is ******** |
| 15:17.14 | Fisker- | in b4 bash |
| 15:17.21 | malreth | no kidding... that's my password too! |
| 15:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Fisker- |
| 15:17.24 | purl | forces Fisker- to use Outlook Express |
| 15:17.34 | Fisker- | ~kiss ScytheBlade1 |
| 15:17.34 | purl | ACTION forces ScytheBlade1 to give alestane a big kiss on the neck |
| 15:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Fisker- |
| 15:17.40 | purl | cuts off Fisker-'s head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 15:17.49 | Fisker- | ~kiss ScytheBlade1 |
| 15:17.49 | purl | ACTION forces ScytheBlade1 to give Kirkburn a big kiss on the forhead |
| 15:17.52 | Fisker- | hawt |
| 15:17.58 | Kirkburn | dude |
| 15:18.04 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 15:59.35 | Industrial | ~seen kaso |
| 15:59.39 | purl | kaso <n=Kaso@host86-150-119-166.range86-150.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 22h 39m 50s ago, saying: 'i second TecnoBrat's motion'. |
| 15:59.58 | Industrial | anyone know if his mod Bubbler works? |
| 16:00.26 | TecnoBrat | I second TecnoBrat motion too1 |
| 16:00.35 | Industrial | lol |
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| 16:05.23 | TecnoBrat | Since you pinged me by accident, you get a link! |
| 16:05.24 | TecnoBrat | http://gizmodo.com/5027378/real-dinosaur-on-the-loose-in-a-museum-makes-learning-fun-extremely-dangerous |
| 16:06.30 | malreth_ | do want |
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| 16:26.00 | Hjalte | Seerah: Hi there. My friend installed PocketPlot yesterday, but he is experiencing that all the things that he track through his tracking spells (track herbs and humanoids) become white squares instead of the stars they are supposed to be. I wonder if it could be relared to my icons dissappearing? |
| 16:26.26 | Hjalte | Seerah: We are both able to solve our problem by reloading the UI. |
| 16:26.27 | Adys | lua> string.bytes("o") |
| 16:26.28 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'bytes' (a nil value) |
| 16:26.40 | Adys | ungh |
| 16:26.45 | Adys | shouldnt do that when i wake up |
| 16:27.03 | Adys | lua> string.byte("o") |
| 16:27.03 | lua_bot | Adys: 111 |
| 16:29.17 | malreth | lua> tostring("a", "b", 3, 5) |
| 16:29.17 | lua_bot | malreth: a |
| 16:31.58 | malreth | lua> print({"a", "b", 1, 2}.concat) |
| 16:31.59 | lua_bot | malreth: luabot:1: ')' expected near '.' |
| 16:32.07 | malreth | lua> print({"a", "b", 1, 2}:concat) |
| 16:32.08 | lua_bot | malreth: luabot:1: ')' expected near ':' |
| 16:32.33 | malreth | lua> print(table.concat{"a", "b", 1, 2}) |
| 16:32.34 | lua_bot | malreth: ab12 |
| 16:35.45 | Seerah | Hjalte: I'll look into it :) |
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| 16:38.46 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5102500450&sid=1 <-good news btw |
| 16:39.35 | malreth | cog|work: ping |
| 16:39.53 | Vangual | they just updated the eu beta account creation pages, woot :) |
| 16:40.03 | nevcairiel | finally? |
| 16:40.07 | Tem | oh snap |
| 16:40.12 | Tem | deep freeze counts as frozen |
| 16:40.20 | Fisker- | yeah but they didn't fix the main problem nevcairiel |
| 16:40.29 | Fisker- | they used 5 days to make a page say beta instead of alpha |
| 16:40.30 | Fisker- | d'oh |
| 16:41.22 | nevcairiel | Damn still cant figure out if the download i crafted a link for is the official one they link, no access without a key :P |
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| 16:41.41 | cog|work | malreth: pong |
| 16:41.54 | malreth | !api UnitIsPlayer |
| 16:41.54 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitIsPlayer' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitIsPlayer |
| 16:41.58 | Vangual | it still said alpha whn i checked some mins ago, but at least the old alpha eula text is not wrapped in the full account creation template |
| 16:42.06 | malreth | cog|work: the documentation on that function is misleading |
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| 16:42.21 | Vangual | fixed now |
| 16:42.43 | nevcairiel | Do you have a key? |
| 16:42.56 | nevcairiel | Whats the link to the official downloader now? :P |
| 16:42.58 | cog|work | malreth: i think the api pages are editable if you create an account ... |
| 16:43.49 | malreth | bah... so much work... |
| 16:44.54 | Vangual | won't be long surely |
| 16:45.26 | sylvanaar | 28th |
| 16:45.55 | sylvanaar | isnt that what Cairenn says on the post |
| 16:45.57 | Vangual | for the wowi ones yea |
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| 16:46.54 | Vangual | the blizzcon and wwi ones will definitely be sent sooner, considering the people incharge instructed the cm's to include in their announcement that people need to hurry entering their invitecodes |
| 16:47.06 | sylvanaar | ah = ok |
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| 16:56.34 | Tem | oooh that's a fun bug |
| 16:56.38 | Tem | damage doesn't break frostnova |
| 16:59.22 | zenzelezz | this is not a bug, mages were considered underpowered |
| 17:00.33 | Seerah | hehe |
| 17:00.58 | Seerah | if that bug stays in, then why did I write the mod I finished up last night? :P |
| 17:01.27 | Tem | zenzelezz, half of your sentence is true |
| 17:02.17 | nevcairiel | but then it contradicts itself, can only be all true or all false |
| 17:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: over a day and a half later, I'm done updating |
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| 17:12.26 | Dashkal | mwrarf |
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| 17:22.35 | Yssaril | is it possible for multible tables to share the same metatable or will this make things screwy |
| 17:23.10 | haste | sharing metatable works just fine |
| 17:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, nothing screwy about it |
| 17:23.45 | haste | all frames share a metatable based on their type for example |
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| 17:25.39 | Yssaril | so http://ace.pastey.net/92217 should be fine right? |
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| 17:27.03 | Yssaril | nm i screwed up |
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| 17:52.11 | laeg | i just saw a horde saw no to my alliance character |
| 17:52.24 | laeg | is there anyway to find out which letters = which letters cross faction? |
| 17:52.33 | malreth | answer: yes |
| 17:53.00 | malreth | longer answer: any cross-faction communication is grounds for disciplinary action on your account |
| 17:53.02 | Kirov | laeg - did they say "No" or did they say /no |
| 17:53.15 | malreth | unless they use the /no emote |
| 17:53.28 | malreth | or any other built in emote in the game |
| 17:53.41 | Dashkal | horde can say n o |
| 17:53.54 | kamdis | which technically violates the ToU |
| 17:54.09 | cog|work | and you can get them banned for it |
| 17:54.22 | Dashkal | It does, but it's common practice. If they were serious about stopping x-faction communication they should have just randomized the damn translation code |
| 17:54.49 | Kirov | I thought they had, but aparently not |
| 17:55.04 | Dashkal | no. It's a complex lil state machine, but it's not random |
| 17:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: they're serious enough about it to ban you |
| 17:55.14 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: which is raw laziness |
| 17:55.19 | AckisWork | aside from release sites not hosting a translation mod, how would they prevent it? |
| 17:55.23 | Dashkal | That's been a standing issue since vanilla |
| 17:55.35 | Kirov | Dashkal - might actually be an RP consideration |
| 17:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: or maybe just a desire to have consistent language, it's /easier/ to randomize it than to write up a complex state machine |
| 17:56.03 | cog|work | Dashkal: just 'cause you don't know their reasons doesn't invalidate them or make the ToU carry any less weight |
| 17:56.08 | Dashkal | then they have to deal with people who play the system *shrugs*. It's just excuse making. |
| 17:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Excuses for what? |
| 17:56.22 | Dashkal | and cog|work, that was a non-argument. |
| 17:56.26 | malreth | it's just a many-to-one hash of chat text to language words |
| 17:56.52 | Dashkal | yep. all they'd have to do to break most of the words is randomize somewhat the single letter translations |
| 17:56.55 | malreth | technically, they could add a randomized function into the hash |
| 17:57.25 | malreth | that would cause "lol" to be translated as "kek" some times and as "zug" other times |
| 17:57.43 | Kirov | Instead of always kek |
| 17:57.53 | malreth | Kirov: correct |
| 17:58.13 | Kirov | I honestly think it's an RP consideration. |
| 17:58.41 | Kirov | No direct cross faction communication, but you can still "understand" the other side. |
| 17:58.50 | Dashkal | I find that difficult. RP with horde is difficult since any actual attempt to make yourself understood beyond slashies is against the ToU |
| 17:58.57 | Kirov | Like if someone is talking a lot vs. a little. |
| 17:59.37 | Kirov | Non-intentional communication. |
| 17:59.38 | Dashkal | Break it or embrace it, but this leaving it easily exploitable and threatening with the banhammer is just bad practice |
| 18:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, it's really easy to /not/ break the rules in this case |
| 18:00.17 | ScytheBlade1 | As in absurdely easy |
| 18:00.32 | malreth | people know the rules... it's their problem if they get bansticked |
| 18:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:59 < Dashkal> Break it or embrace it, but this leaving it easily exploitable and threatening with the banhammer is just bad practice |
| 18:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 14:00 < ScytheBlade1> Sorry, it's really easy to /not/ break the rules in this case |
| 18:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 14:00 < ScytheBlade1> As in absurdely easy |
| 18:00.44 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 18:00.46 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry |
| 18:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That was unintentional -.- |
| 18:01.44 | Dashkal | malreth: not really. That lil rule is burred very deep in a large chunk of legalease. those two documents are bloddy hard to read. |
| 18:01.55 | malreth | ain't that a shame |
| 18:02.03 | Kirov | Meh |
| 18:02.16 | Kirov | The information is out there in many places. |
| 18:02.35 | Dashkal | not so much in the game itself. The game itself has it only in that wall of text. |
| 18:02.49 | Kirov | Even those locations that you can still find the cross communication addons say quite clearly "this could get you banned" |
| 18:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind the fact that they pretty clearly have gone to great lengths to stop direct communication less emotes |
| 18:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't need to read the ToU to figure that fact out |
| 18:04.13 | malreth | it's really for me to exploit the various EULAs of numerous software products that I use here at work despite those agreements being big wall of texts... but if i want to keep my job, i'll make damn sure that i read them and understand what I'm doing when doing software installs for my clients |
| 18:04.48 | Dashkal | equating cross faction communication with software piracy? Ok, this has run its course |
| 18:04.48 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: the obvious counter point is that you shouldn't have to put forth such effort for /a game and some degree of entertainment/ |
| 18:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "Don't be a tard, and don't be a prick" should cover most of it |
| 18:06.09 | malreth | Dashkal: no, i'm equating the points of our arguments |
| 18:06.41 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - unfortunatly, most people think of that as, "don't be a tard, and don't be a prick TO ME." They themselves being a tard and or prick is usually not a major consideration. |
| 18:07.38 | Dashkal | malreth: you equated something that causes an organization harm (piracy) with something that has no injerent harm but isn't condoned. |
| 18:08.08 | Dashkal | note 'inherent', you can of course exploit it to harass someone, but hell, that's already covered by other rules. |
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| 18:09.16 | Lunessa | ...station. |
| 18:09.18 | malreth | those same rules are covered in the ToU |
| 18:09.45 | malreth | you'd expect other players to abide by those rules despite them being behind a wall of text in the ToU |
| 18:09.45 | Kirov | STATION! http://www.billandted.org/pics/bj/bjstation2.jpg |
| 18:09.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: yeah true. |
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| 18:10.57 | malreth | i'm gonna get some soup! |
| 18:11.13 | Dashkal | careful with "you'd" there. As should be clear now by my arguments, I only expect other players to adhear to rules that are in place to protect the fun of other players. I don't give a rats ass if, say, someone breaks into mount hijal. |
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| 18:12.18 | Lunessa | Kirov: Excellent. |
| 18:12.22 | kaiden_ | Anyone here that has gotten their beta key know what the url to activate it is, got my key... without the url |
| 18:12.23 | kaiden_ | lol |
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| 18:12.36 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: the thought of us having "green sex legs" is pretty frightening |
| 18:12.43 | Lopeppeppy | .... eeeew! |
| 18:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl, haha |
| 18:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I have epic timing |
| 18:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202464871&sid=2000#11 |
| 18:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | For reference |
| 18:13.13 | Tekkub | oh oh oh |
| 18:13.14 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/22/mounts-and-small-pets-will-take-no-bag-space-in-wrath/ |
| 18:13.17 | Tekkub | fuck me daddy |
| 18:13.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That might be amazing |
| 18:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Mounts at spells |
| 18:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | YES. |
| 18:14.20 | Tekkub | I never liked the spel mounts tho |
| 18:14.22 | AckisWork | Tekkub: old news is old |
| 18:14.38 | Tekkub | Ackis, I've only been up an hour, it's new to me :P |
| 18:14.52 | AckisWork | we had a big talk about it in CF about 20-30 minutes ago :P |
| 18:15.12 | Tekkub | like I read CF, I just go there to bitch when I can't push |
| 18:15.20 | Tekkub | (which is damn near always) |
| 18:15.33 | AckisWork | 90% of your comments on IRC are bitching :P I couldn't differentiate hahah :P |
| 18:16.40 | AckisWork | I just want to know if that will be wotlk or if it will be in like 2.4.4 |
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| 18:18.22 | Tekkub | we gonna get a 3.0.1 on live before 3.0.2 with Wrath, like we did with BC? |
| 18:18.26 | Dashkal | I suspect 3.0 will be the next live patch unless they have to bugfix |
| 18:18.27 | Lunessa | I hate having to teach sheeple how to use Word. |
| 18:18.41 | Dashkal | ~comfort Lunessa |
| 18:18.41 | purl | There, there, Lunessa. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:18.44 | Dashkal | that does nto sound fun |
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| 18:19.14 | AckisWork | I wonder if they'll expand that pet thing to tabbards |
| 18:23.43 | kamdis | which stance # is generally cat form? |
| 18:23.43 | kamdis | 3? |
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| 18:24.14 | malreth | aah! i thought i turned that off |
| 18:24.21 | malreth | also.. NO SOUP! |
| 18:24.28 | malreth | the cafe was out of soup... |
| 18:24.35 | malreth | i had to have a tuna salad sandwich instead |
| 18:26.31 | NightHawkTheSane | kamdis: yes, 3. |
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| 18:28.17 | malreth | ugh! |
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| 18:28.26 | malreth | ~onjoin -malreth |
| 18:28.26 | purl | ok, malreth |
| 18:28.38 | malreth | ~onjoin malreth |
| 18:28.44 | malreth | ... |
| 18:28.50 | malreth | okeh |
| 18:29.04 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/22/funny-pictures-here-kitteh-fix-it/ |
| 18:32.34 | kamdis | NightHawkTheSane, thanks. |
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| 18:40.12 | Lunessa | Ok, off to teach. back in 3 hours. |
| 18:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Good luck |
| 18:42.33 | Cairenn|afk | I don't know for sure who is doing it, but if there is anyone in here that is deliberately downrating this author's work, please stop: http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=100057 |
| 18:44.23 | kamdis | don't turn the car around, Cairenn! I want to go to to Six Flags! ;-) |
| 18:44.30 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 18:46.19 | kamdis | On an unrelated note, my Death Knight is not a character choice on the beta forums :( |
| 18:47.40 | Tekkub | people are rating him down now? lawl |
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| 18:49.13 | AckisWork | I wonder if I can rate myself down? |
| 18:49.23 | Cairenn|afk | yup |
| 18:49.29 | Tekkub | I rate my mods up all the time, since so few people rate :) |
| 18:49.38 | AckisWork | cheater |
| 18:49.42 | Tekkub | totally |
| 18:50.11 | AckisWork | oh btw, how to you turn off an author portal? I was screwing around and enabled it, didn't want to spend time to make it pretty/useful though |
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| 18:50.46 | Cairenn|afk | you ping Dolby, although it might be better to wait until after we are done with the key insanity |
| 18:50.48 | Tekkub | you whine to cair |
| 18:51.03 | AckisWork | it's low priority |
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| 18:51.15 | Cairenn|afk | *nod* which is why I asked that you wait ;) |
| 18:51.24 | Cairenn|afk | we're going rather crazy as I'm sure you can appreciate |
| 18:51.44 | AckisWork | mmmhmmm |
| 18:51.52 | AckisWork | Ackis starts with an A, where's my key?!?!?!?! :P |
| 18:51.53 | AckisWork | ahahah |
| 18:52.06 | AckisWork | but yah I'll hold off, no biggie |
| 18:52.18 | Tekkub | you know what would releave some of the crazies? sending off the first batch of names :) |
| 18:52.22 | kamdis | for anyone who is a font-geek: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1823766 |
| 18:53.17 | laeg | the font geeks shun me :( |
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| 18:53.39 | kamdis | it's funny anyway laeg |
| 18:53.40 | kamdis | :P |
| 18:53.54 | laeg | :D |
| 18:57.19 | NightHawkTheSane | kamdis: that's disturbing and hilarious |
| 18:57.21 | malreth | OPEN MAILBOX!!! |
| 18:57.34 | kamdis | I think we can all agree on that, malreth. |
| 18:58.02 | malreth | pencil fountain pen peace sign |
| 18:58.17 | Tekkub | WTB pet taunka |
| 18:58.29 | kamdis | yin yang mailbox open mailbox |
| 19:09.25 | Industrial | how to i make a string:match() case insensitive? |
| 19:10.13 | kaiden_ | anyone that went to blizzcon know if the beta key they gave was definitely for wotlk ( if it was and i just activated it do you think it may go to a different beta instead? ) |
| 19:10.19 | kaiden_ | just trying to figure it all out :p |
| 19:10.30 | Cide | Industrial: string:lower():match() ? |
| 19:10.35 | Industrial | ah right |
| 19:10.39 | Industrial | thanks |
| 19:10.44 | Cide | or make all letters [aA][bB][cC] etc |
| 19:12.14 | Industrial | I'm making a mod to my chat addon that block any non trade message from appearing in the trade channel |
| 19:12.39 | Industrial | eg #v#, any form of LFG/LFM, maybe guild recruitment shit if I can make a good pattern for it |
| 19:12.40 | Tekkub | indie.... much much simpler solution |
| 19:12.43 | Tekkub | leave trade |
| 19:12.50 | Industrial | I'm in trade a lot on my trade char |
| 19:13.03 | Artmi | Trade channel is actually good to have up running |
| 19:13.12 | Artmi | usually alot of people not knowing the values of their items |
| 19:13.15 | Artmi | selling em cheap in trade chat |
| 19:13.15 | Industrial | usually very low prices |
| 19:13.18 | Industrial | yeah |
| 19:13.18 | Artmi | for fast gold, |
| 19:13.25 | Artmi | meaning you can AH it, and earn 1000s of gold in no time |
| 19:13.43 | Industrial | I just started yesterday with 100g. 300 now :D |
| 19:13.51 | Artmi | That's how i made all my gold for repairs, consumables for raids =) |
| 19:13.52 | Industrial | need money for enchants T_T |
| 19:13.52 | Tekkub | gemming and DE makes me plenty of money with minimal effort :) |
| 19:14.12 | Artmi | aye i do have enchanting on my mage, but for that you have to run instances |
| 19:14.15 | Artmi | you need no gear from :P |
| 19:14.21 | Artmi | which can be fun at times as well |
| 19:14.22 | Industrial | yesterday I gave someone 5g per 18 disenchants |
| 19:14.26 | Tekkub | uh, no, I never leave town |
| 19:14.28 | Industrial | i had 300 items or so |
| 19:14.42 | Industrial | I emptied the mailbox periodically while he was disenchanting |
| 19:14.50 | Industrial | and i ended up with more money then i gave him |
| 19:14.54 | Industrial | + the mats |
| 19:14.55 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:15.54 | Industrial | I either need to level enchanting on my main or level another char for it which I don't feel like doing |
| 19:16.16 | Artmi | Level it on your main |
| 19:16.31 | Artmi | if you're wealthy, buy greenies / blues at AH, and of course raw materials from there |
| 19:16.41 | Artmi | or else just run instances all the way up, solo, will work up until 300~ |
| 19:16.50 | Artmi | and then you can just run outland instances to get higher |
| 19:17.30 | Artmi | (for example help lower level players in instances, for getting all none-needed items :P) |
| 19:18.21 | klipeto | hm, good idea |
| 19:18.28 | klipeto | :) |
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| 19:18.45 | klipeto | I stalled ench at 293 |
| 19:19.44 | Industrial | Artmi: hm right i can boost people for greens :O |
| 19:19.49 | klipeto | I'm pvp, and from allys there is rubbish drop :) |
| 19:19.49 | Artmi | aye :) |
| 19:22.24 | klipeto | actually I'm leveling several alts and I'll get some mats from their drop for free :) it would just take some time, but I dont hurry :) |
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| 19:24.53 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/064ac87f14c2b08988ee0edd7e7addd7.jpg |
| 19:25.01 | Industrial | red lines will be blocked :O works fairly well |
| 19:25.06 | Industrial | missed 1 but added it now ^^ |
| 19:25.28 | Industrial | alsolol @ chatter |
| 19:27.44 | haste | chatter? |
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| 19:29.18 | Dashkal | I forgot, when does the name batch re keys get sent to blizzard? |
| 19:29.57 | cog|work | 28th iirc |
| 19:30.52 | Dashkal | that's it. danke |
| 19:31.04 | Dashkal | bah, must suffer through another week of BC dailies :p |
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| 19:55.55 | AckisWork | why is integration with other mods so annoying? :( |
| 20:01.18 | Tem | Anyone know how much AP DKs get from STR? |
| 20:01.37 | Tem | nevermind. it appears to be 2 per |
| 20:01.45 | malreth | AckisWork: why integrate when you can CRUSH! |
| 20:02.01 | AckisWork | malreth: crushing = bad, working together = good :D |
| 20:02.17 | malreth | orange crush = good |
| 20:02.36 | AckisWork | but I have too many if's to see if a certain mod is installed |
| 20:02.57 | AckisWork | if only there were api's |
| 20:03.44 | AckisWork | anyone in this channel heard of general mayham btw? |
| 20:03.49 | Tem | if ModGlobal isn't good enough? |
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| 20:04.24 | AckisWork | tem: was thinking more along the lines of mod API's to let us work together, not just to see if it is installed... like how skillet does |
| 20:05.41 | AckisWork | impossible I know... or even an blizz API to add buttons to certain windows (ie: tradeskill windows) |
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| 20:16.09 | Tem | What are you trying to do Ackis? |
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| 20:21.10 | Thunder_Child | hahahaha, Gaming dice is listed in the "Sports & Outdoors" section of amazon |
| 20:22.29 | Adys | is it possible to lock/unlock the default chat frame with a macro? |
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| 20:30.55 | Cide | translate: "ICH KÃSSE DICH" |
| 20:31.07 | Stanzilla | I kiss you |
| 20:31.27 | Cide | thanks |
| 20:32.38 | Stanzilla | np |
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| 20:48.28 | Dashkal | Is there an ETA on information about the new secure state code? |
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| 20:51.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's usually a bad sign when you finish reassembling a laptop with the perfect number of screws left over (zero) |
| 20:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | And then find a pile of 13 more hidden behind the laptop :P |
| 20:53.11 | Dashkal | uh oh |
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| 21:06.37 | cog|work | eep... my All Programs menu at work just hit 3 columns (on a monitor with 1200 px vertical resolution) |
| 21:07.16 | Kirov | cog - wait till it fills your screen w/ a down arrow scroller |
| 21:08.32 | Cide | go go vista |
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| 21:11.01 | cog|work | Kirov: that'll probably take 2-3 more columns :P |
| 21:11.10 | cog|work | /agree Cide |
| 21:11.24 | Kirov | I got there once with my old computer. |
| 21:13.12 | Quaiche | Vista Start menu is better than the XP one once you learn how to use it |
| 21:13.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i prefer quicksilver style app launching |
| 21:14.07 | Thunder_Child | Quaiche, better is an opnion |
| 21:14.22 | Quaiche | Of course it is Thunder_Child |
| 21:14.25 | Cide | nope |
| 21:14.34 | Cide | better is a fact in this case |
| 21:14.39 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Cide |
| 21:14.39 | purl | squishes Cide like a bug |
| 21:14.51 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 21:14.51 | purl | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 21:15.10 | Cide | I'm right, you know |
| 21:15.23 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 21:15.46 | Thunder_Child | how do you define better in this case? |
| 21:17.15 | Cide | better functionality, easier overview, less spatial overflow, what is NOT better? |
| 21:17.40 | alestane | Dashkal: Info about the new secure state code right now is limited to the files in the beta, which are partly documented. Keep in mind the API is still evolving somewhat, although we're nearing concensus. |
| 21:18.22 | Dashkal | alestane: alright, danke |
| 21:20.05 | alestane | Dashkal: Most of what you need to know should be in these files: http://wowcompares.com/3018634/FrameXML/RestrictedEnvironment.lua http://wowcompares.com/3018634/FrameXML/RestrictedFrames.lua http://wowcompares.com/3018634/FrameXML/SecureHandlers.lua http://wowcompares.com/3018634/FrameXML/SecureHandlerTemplates.xml. |
| 21:20.47 | alestane | And if you have specific questions, you can ask me if I'm on. |
| 21:21.14 | Dashkal | will do. thank you. *gets to reading* |
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| 21:22.46 | alestane | Right now this replaces the current SecureStateHeader and SecureAnchor APIs, although we've discussed the possibility of implementing a replacement on top of this technology. |
| 21:23.33 | Dashkal | *nods* The tidbits I've seen so far looks promising. I was just starting to read up on secure states in wowprogramming, and the learning curve is insane. |
| 21:24.15 | Thunder_Child | Cide, spatial overflow is looks only, overview makes no diff as there isnt any more info presented than the old style, and you have to define functionality as well |
| 21:24.19 | Dashkal | If I'm on the right track, this is a sandbox approach? So I can only see data I'm allowed to act on, and then may act anyway I like given that data? |
| 21:24.40 | Cide | overview makes a difference since it's easier to find what you're looking for |
| 21:24.43 | alestane | We're trying to make it less so, although of course if these changes goes live it will obsolete about four chapters of the book. |
| 21:24.46 | Cide | and that brings us into functionality |
| 21:24.51 | Cide | SEARCH BAR |
| 21:24.53 | Cide | period |
| 21:24.55 | Cide | I win |
| 21:24.57 | Cide | . |
| 21:25.09 | alestane | Dashkal: Bascially. You'll supply a string which contains the Lua code you want executed. |
| 21:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what's even better? |
| 21:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | A run dialog |
| 21:25.37 | Cide | the search bar includes run |
| 21:25.42 | alestane | That code operates in a sandboxed environment to prevent unsanctioned decisions. |
| 21:25.49 | Cide | type in a program name and hit enter and it runs |
| 21:25.59 | Dashkal | I figured the way to get at it would be something like that. Though special toc entries for 'sandboxed' lua files would have been cool as well :p |
| 21:26.04 | Cide | so you lose, sir |
| 21:26.07 | Cide | you lose indeed. |
| 21:26.39 | alestane | Dashkal: That sounds like it might take place at a level under what we want to monkey with, but I'm listening if you want to elaborate on that. |
| 21:26.50 | cladhaire | alestane: four chapters? |
| 21:26.51 | cladhaire | hardly |
| 21:27.13 | alestane | Well, you're right; the secureActionButtons material wouldn't be affected. |
| 21:27.23 | Dashkal | lemme read more of this code and I will. I need to understand just what the environment looks like and how the code is used to come up with a sane suggestion for toc entries |
| 21:27.26 | cladhaire | it affects the chapter on state headers, and thats about it. |
| 21:27.36 | Thunder_Child | Cide, the overview of vista vs xp is the same, search bar i dont use |
| 21:27.45 | cladhaire | which means ch 25 and ch 26 |
| 21:27.45 | Cide | no it isn't |
| 21:27.46 | Thunder_Child | you do not win |
| 21:27.54 | Cide | if you don't use the search bar, you're not utilizing it correctly |
| 21:27.56 | Cide | besides |
| 21:27.57 | alestane | And actually, we managed to implement it in a way that doesn't even change how state drivers operated. |
| 21:28.10 | Xinhuan | can i assume all existing bar addons will break with 3.0? |
| 21:28.14 | Thunder_Child | what do you mean correctly, there is no "wrong" way to use vista |
| 21:28.15 | Cide | scrolling with the mouse and keeping your eyes at the same place is a lot faster when trying to find what you're looking for, than moving the eyes all over the monitor |
| 21:28.39 | alestane | Xinhuan: If they involve state headers, they will, unless the proposed changes are proven unusable. |
| 21:28.51 | Cide | it's like saying mages suck because you're trying to melee mobs to death |
| 21:28.57 | Cide | utilize the tools you're given |
| 21:29.02 | Xinhuan | ok... |
| 21:29.47 | Thunder_Child | wait, where does the start menu search bar search? |
| 21:30.06 | Cide | it searches the start menu and a few other places |
| 21:30.19 | Cide | but prioritizes results in start menu afaik |
| 21:30.46 | Thunder_Child | wth doesnt it search the games shortcut folder |
| 21:30.58 | Cide | add a shortcut to it and it will? |
| 21:31.10 | Cide | I've added several new folders |
| 21:31.11 | Thunder_Child | the one thats on the right side of the menu |
| 21:31.17 | alestane | Xinhuan: But we're praying that the new system is easier to learn than the old one. It's based on using Lua to describe state-based changes rather than this esoteric cascade of state-based events we use now. |
| 21:31.37 | Thunder_Child | says games, under music, above computer |
| 21:31.48 | Cide | don't ask me |
| 21:31.50 | Xinhuan | i'll look forward to a tutorial on how to use the new one, if its possible |
| 21:31.52 | Xinhuan | ^^ |
| 21:31.54 | cog|work | the only thing that worries me about it is automatic generation of state manipulations |
| 21:31.55 | Cide | it's not in the 'all programs' folder? |
| 21:32.11 | cog|work | as complex as the current state headers are, it was relatively trivial to create state mappings programmatically |
| 21:32.12 | Cide | nor is it in your user folder |
| 21:32.21 | Thunder_Child | according to the path it's a top level folder... |
| 21:32.24 | alestane | Xinhuan: As we finalize the code, we'll document it more thoroughly. |
| 21:32.25 | cog|work | now we actually have to do code generation to a limited degree... |
| 21:32.42 | alestane | cog|work: Well, that's true. |
| 21:33.01 | Cide | Thunder_Child: but it's not in C:\Users\<User>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs |
| 21:33.29 | Cide | but a lot of that can be done with just string.format(code, var1, var2, var3, ...) |
| 21:33.30 | Thunder_Child | no, it's built in functionality of vista |
| 21:33.34 | Cide | right |
| 21:33.48 | Cide | the search bar searches the user folder |
| 21:34.42 | Cide | this is also important: |
| 21:34.44 | Cide | <Cide> scrolling with the mouse and keeping your eyes at the same place is a lot faster when trying to find what you're looking for, than moving the eyes all over the monitor |
| 21:35.08 | Thunder_Child | i read that, but again thats a personal preferance |
| 21:35.11 | Cide | ... |
| 21:35.13 | Cide | no it isn't |
| 21:35.18 | Cide | re-focusing your eyes takes quite a while |
| 21:35.26 | Cide | while moving the eyes |
| 21:35.31 | Cide | keeping them still is a lot faster |
| 21:35.52 | cog|work | physiology ftw |
| 21:35.54 | Dashkal | hmmm, so to configure anything from outside the sandbox I'd need to actually change the code fed into it? |
| 21:36.09 | Dashkal | Would it be feasable to have a shared table that's immutable in combat? |
| 21:36.19 | Dashkal | at least from the perspective of the sandboxed code? |
| 21:36.29 | Thunder_Child | however, my start menu items take longer to "open" than "expand" |
| 21:37.04 | Thunder_Child | and i can really customise my search bar |
| 21:37.47 | alestane | Dashkal: Not exactly. Your code can refer to globals, and those globals will be stored in a persistent table associated with your header. You can also send the frame an _execute attribute, and that code will be run against the same set of variables. |
| 21:37.52 | Dashkal | forgive me if I misunderstand. when reading code at this rate I miss things |
| 21:39.15 | Thunder_Child | besides, i have everything on the right hand side display as a tree instead of a folder wich takes more time/space imo |
| 21:39.25 | alestane | For instance, you can call mySecureFrame:SetAttribute("_execute", "x = 5"), and the next time a secure function set on mySecureFrame is called, x will be 5 if that function refers to it as a global. |
| 21:39.58 | alestane | Since it goes through the attribute mechanism, such changes can only be made on protected frames when outside of combat. |
| 21:40.47 | cog|work | oh so you could have a generic state transition function and then inject things into a persistent table rather than generating unique code for every application? |
| 21:40.48 | Dashkal | but there's no mySecureFrame call to just set the global directly mySecureFrame:SecureSetGlobal("x", 5) |
| 21:41.14 | alestane | No, but the attribute mechanism should suffice. |
| 21:41.56 | alestane | cog|work: Yes. One of the beauties of the sandbox mechanism is that it allows for persistent data storage. |
| 21:43.04 | alestane | When "state-blah" is set on a state handler, the contents of "_onstate-blah" are called as a function, with "blah" and the new value as parameters. |
| 21:43.14 | Dashkal | no worries, not like it's hard for me to write my own wrapper to give me the kind of interface I'd prefer anyway. This looks like it will work very nicely. |
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| 21:43.46 | alestane | We're trying to make it as powerful as we can without breaking it. |
| 21:44.57 | alestane | A state transition function can also return values indicating that it will be animating some of its elements and needs to be called again in the near future. |
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| 21:46.58 | Dashkal | ok, now that I've read this at least in passing, the TOC idea probably won't work cleanly. Could do it in xml, maybe, but isn't really required. The thought I had was to make it easier to get the code into the sandbox without requiring multi-line strings and such while writing the code in the first place. |
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| 21:48.47 | cladhaire | Dashkal: the addition of somethign like that isn't very likely anyway |
| 21:48.50 | alestane | We realized fairly early that people would want an initialization mechanism. |
| 21:50.30 | alestane | I also find that enclosing my code literals in [[ ]] rather than "" or '' helps me by making it easier to format it. |
| 21:51.35 | Dashkal | that'll be how I do it. and just remove them while actually writing the code so I get my pretty highlighting and such. |
| 21:51.56 | Dashkal | Now I can't wait to get my hands on the client so I can poke at this properly. |
| 21:52.49 | alestane | I've already written a mod on Beta that pages the bottom right bar between pages 5 and 6 when I switch between bar 1 and 2 on the main bar. |
| 21:54.05 | nevcairiel | needs moar docs! |
| 21:54.07 | Dashkal | My particular use is a radial menu 'bar' where the center button remembers the last spell cast. The state diagrams aren't pretty once the number of spells on the 'bar' gets above 3 |
| 21:54.26 | nevcairiel | I would be happy to beta-read any docs you might have cooked up on that |
| 21:54.26 | alestane | This will be able to handle that kind of thing much more easily, I think. |
| 21:54.46 | cladhaire | Dashkal: I'd be very interested in that :P |
| 21:55.24 | nevcairiel | I want to get working on Bartender asap :) |
| 21:56.51 | Cide | more like SprocketBar if you ask me. |
| 21:56.52 | cladhaire | The ad campaign for the book starts today. If anyone sees the ad can you grab it for me? |
| 21:56.59 | cog|work | ~lart Cide |
| 21:56.59 | purl | gives Cide a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 21:57.11 | Cide | free vista? sweet! |
| 21:57.23 | alestane | nevcairiel: It was pretty stable until today. Then I submitted a whole new implementation to Iriel that changes how the header interacts with its children. So until we decide what the best approach is, docs are sort of in Limbo. |
| 21:57.35 | cog|work | ~lart sucks now |
| 21:57.35 | purl | pours gasoline all over sucks now, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 21:57.38 | nevcairiel | alestane: darn! |
| 21:57.40 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:58.05 | Dashkal | ooo, interest. I'll keep that in mind when I write it. I wonder how easily I can make it _optionally_ use actionIDs. |
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| 22:12.30 | alestane | User functions on the header will also have the ability to retrieve certain attributes at runtime, for dynamic control. |
| 22:12.50 | Xuerian | Cide: Do want SprocketBar |
| 22:13.02 | Xuerian | cog|work: ^ |
| 22:13.29 | Cide | any unix people around |
| 22:13.39 | Cide | can I schedule a task to run at like every 5 sec? |
| 22:13.44 | Cide | or 2-3 sec... |
| 22:13.44 | Kirov | Cide - no, I have both of my balls. |
| 22:13.45 | bleeter | sure |
| 22:13.53 | Cide | as far as I understand it, cron only goes down to 1 minute? |
| 22:14.00 | nevcairiel | alestane: can i access HasAction() please? :) |
| 22:14.05 | bleeter | Cide: in your crontab, */5 is 'every 5th interval' so if it's in the seconds column, it'll work |
| 22:14.09 | nevcairiel | Cide: correct |
| 22:14.22 | bleeter | oh |
| 22:14.24 | nevcairiel | there is a second column? |
| 22:14.26 | bleeter | bah of course |
| 22:14.27 | nevcairiel | *seconds |
| 22:14.32 | bleeter | gimme a break, not long woke up |
| 22:14.44 | alestane | nevcairiel: I'll make a note, although right now we're not giving people script access. |
| 22:15.10 | Kirov | ~eunuch |
| 22:15.20 | nevcairiel | I just want to be able to hide a button if the new state has no action set |
| 22:16.21 | Kirov | nevcairiel - kinda' falls apart if the button doesn't have an action, but does have a spell / macrotext |
| 22:16.34 | alestane | Oh, you mean, if the action slot which the button is set to use has no action in it? |
| 22:16.43 | nevcairiel | alestane: yea |
| 22:17.07 | nevcairiel | thats what HasAction() does :) |
| 22:17.15 | bleeter | Cide: yeah, crons usually check the file every 30 seoncds, iirc. so you'll need to write a script that does it's own sleeping/waking during that minute. Or rewrite cron ;) |
| 22:17.17 | alestane | I'll look into it. Probably okay since action slots can't be programmatically changed while in combat. |
| 22:17.33 | bleeter | vixie cron checks every 60 seconds |
| 22:17.56 | nevcairiel | That wasnt possible before, except if you used the blizzard template .. which i never really liked |
| 22:17.58 | Drundia | can we have secure buttons for running arbitrary function with arbitrary arguments (explicitly forbidding some functions if necessary, instead of current way of explicitly allowing only some and not being allowed for example to pick actions), and also drag secure template (for the mentioned picking of actions for example)?) |
| 22:20.09 | Cide | hmm |
| 22:20.33 | Cide | what about a script that infinitely loops and just sleep(3000) after every iteration? :/ |
| 22:20.51 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:20.54 | Cide | or is that what you meant bleeter? |
| 22:21.08 | alestane | Drundia: I've longed for secure drag facilities myself on occasion, but I'm not sure about implementation. I'll keep that one on the back burner, because it might involve setting up some different environments. |
| 22:21.10 | nevcairiel | i guess he did |
| 22:21.37 | alestane | What do you mean by "running arbitrary function with arbitrary arguments"? |
| 22:22.43 | bleeter | Cide: that's pretty much what I meant |
| 22:23.19 | Drundia | well i mean something like setting type="func", func="CastSpellByName", argn=1, arg1="Fireball" and such behavior to run anything. If they suddenly choose to protect some behavior we don't need to update templates, however if some functions shouldn't be allowed they are explicitly forbidden, possibly on lua side by using a table indexed by forbidden functions. |
| 22:23.25 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: +1 for secure drag, my ability to drop whatever item where ever I may need it is the only reason I use the blizzard bars. Having that in an addon would be awesome. |
| 22:24.30 | Drundia | i know that we can already cast spells, but i'm more about some random stuff that isn't allowed right now, it can be used as a partial replacement for secure state header even. |
| 22:24.31 | alestane | I'm all for it, I'm just not sure of the implementation, and I want to solidify the implementation on the secure execution framework before I try and implement anything else. |
| 22:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying, +1 here |
| 22:26.15 | batrick | Cide: you'd want to write a bash script for that |
| 22:26.15 | alestane | Drundia: that would be at a different level, that's part of SecureActionButtonTemplate, which we haven't talked about changing. Not automatically a bad idea, but one that I know would make the devs nervous, and part of a different discussion. |
| 22:26.18 | batrick | shouldn't be too hard |
| 22:26.24 | nevcairiel | I'll look into using the blizzard template in Bartender once again, so that dragging in combat is actually possible |
| 22:26.39 | nevcairiel | for wotlk, at least |
| 22:26.40 | Cide | batrick: wouldn't it be better to just do it in python? |
| 22:26.47 | Cide | wouldn't have to fire up the interpreter every 2s then |
| 22:26.49 | batrick | no |
| 22:27.01 | batrick | have the bash script fork a new process every 5 seconds |
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| 22:27.12 | batrick | that's what you want isn't it? |
| 22:27.21 | Cide | I need to execute some code every 2s |
| 22:27.29 | Cide | a python script, that is |
| 22:27.32 | Cide | that's my only requirement |
| 22:27.40 | batrick | well then ya... use python (with sleep) |
| 22:29.21 | Cide | not sure if this will even solve the concurrency issues yet |
| 22:29.27 | Cide | damnit |
| 22:29.34 | Drundia | alestane, they have beta and some smart people arond to track vulnerabilities :), and some idiots that want to exploit those vulnerabilities, but post about them on official boards. |
| 22:29.40 | batrick | what concurrency issues? |
| 22:29.55 | batrick | does what you run take longer than ~2 seconds? |
| 22:30.09 | Cide | no |
| 22:30.14 | Lunessa | Drundia: *snicker* No, they'll wait until it goes live, and then use it to create bots in asia and farm gold. :P |
| 22:30.17 | Cide | but the same database row is being modified from two sources |
| 22:30.35 | alestane | Drundia: I'm not saying it's absolutely out of the question, but I'm very confident that Slouken and Zootfizzle and the rest will look sideways at anyone who suggests that. |
| 22:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious as to where it would be useful currently |
| 22:31.09 | Arrowmaster | what the secure stuff really need is a way to reference the action on the button from the macrotext, so it would be possible to set macrotext for an entire bar to do stuff like cast harmful abilitys on targets target if your target is friendly without the need to create a macro for each button and still allow you to drag stuff around |
| 22:31.13 | batrick | Cide: use filesystem locks I guess |
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| 22:32.29 | alestane | Arrowmaster: You can do that already by manipulating the unit associated with the action bar. |
| 22:32.46 | Arrowmaster | you can? conditionally? |
| 22:32.56 | nevcairiel | not correctly right now |
| 22:32.58 | alestane | With some careful state scripting, yes. |
| 22:33.01 | nevcairiel | maybe with the new code |
| 22:33.07 | Shirik | are there any userdatas in WoW that use metatables? |
| 22:33.18 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: last i checked no |
| 22:33.26 | alestane | Shirik: I don't think any of the API-supplied ones do. |
| 22:33.29 | Shirik | everything I can find is a table with a userdata in it |
| 22:33.40 | Shirik | and the metatable is on the table |
| 22:33.41 | alestane | You can use newproxy() if you need one of your own. |
| 22:33.46 | Shirik | can't set a metatable on it |
| 22:34.11 | batrick | hehe shirik is up to no good as always |
| 22:34.11 | alestane | u = newproxy(true); getmetatable(u).__index = xyz; |
| 22:34.18 | Arrowmaster | the only userdata i know of that doesnt come from newproxy() is the frame identifiers which dont have a metatable on them |
| 22:34.30 | Shirik | true? |
| 22:34.35 | Shirik | What does that parameter do? |
| 22:34.55 | Cide | nothing; alestane just wants to sound more authoritative |
| 22:34.56 | batrick | wow |
| 22:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still back there at newproxy() :D |
| 22:35.24 | Shirik | >>> return getemetatable(newproxy(true)) |
| 22:35.28 | Shirik | >>> return getmetatable(newproxy(true)) |
| 22:35.28 | Cide | Shirik: { } (#1) |
| 22:35.31 | Shirik | oh wow.... |
| 22:35.35 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 22:35.48 | Arrowmaster | i really dont think userdata is very useful in wow though |
| 22:35.53 | Shirik | oh it's useful to me |
| 22:35.53 | alestane | newproxy(false) = new empty userdata with no metatable. newproxy(true) = new empty userdata with empty metatable. newproxy(p) = new empty userdata with same metatable as p, provided p was created with newproxy. |
| 22:35.59 | Shirik | thanks alestane, you made my day |
| 22:36.19 | batrick | shirik is going to break stuff now |
| 22:36.42 | alestane | Actually, we used newproxy() quite a bit building the secure function environment stuff. |
| 22:37.01 | Arrowmaster | well if you want to mess with other stuff outside of your own addon userdata isnt that helpful, since a lot of stuff uses type() |
| 22:37.28 | Arrowmaster | so you cant really create a proxy table with userdata if what your providing it to is checking if its a table |
| 22:37.38 | Shirik | !!! No fun! |
| 22:37.39 | alestane | userdata is quite useful as a table proxy that rejects rawset. |
| 22:37.46 | Shirik | batrick :( |
| 22:38.08 | Arrowmaster | alestane: guessing your also using __metatable? |
| 22:38.10 | batrick | Shirik: ? |
| 22:38.20 | Shirik | see #luabot |
| 22:38.26 | Shirik | >>> local t = newproxy(true); local gcfn = function() local o = newproxy(true); getmetatable(o).__gc = gcfn; print("OK"); end; getmetatable(t).__gc = gcfn; return "Done"; |
| 22:38.26 | Cide | Shirik: "Done" |
| 22:38.27 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.33 | alestane | Have to if we want things to be secure. |
| 22:38.42 | Shirik | hm, I think I screwed that up |
| 22:39.01 | Shirik | >>> local t = newproxy(true); local gcfn = function() local o = newproxy(true); getmetatable(o).__gc = gcfn; error("OK"); end; getmetatable(t).__gc = gcfn; return "Done"; |
| 22:39.02 | Cide | Shirik: "Done" |
| 22:39.10 | Shirik | oh well, Cide wins this time |
| 22:39.22 | Cide | I always win |
| 22:39.26 | Cide | but ya |
| 22:39.30 | Cide | print and return, return wins |
| 22:39.43 | Shirik | not what I meant |
| 22:39.45 | Shirik | also, I screwed up the code |
| 22:39.49 | Shirik | let me find my email to lhf :P |
| 22:39.51 | Cide | in your initial example |
| 22:39.52 | alestane | shirik: Try local function gcfn instead of gcfn = function |
| 22:40.03 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 22:40.03 | batrick | hahha |
| 22:40.04 | Shirik | yeah |
| 22:40.05 | Cide | your print("OK") wouldn't have shown |
| 22:40.07 | Shirik | that'll do it |
| 22:40.09 | Cide | since you returned |
| 22:40.22 | Shirik | I'll just use the code in my email |
| 22:40.24 | Shirik | I know that's right |
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| 22:41.54 | Shirik | >>> local mt = {}; mt.__gc = function() setmetatable(newproxy(true), mt); error("Error"); end; setmetatable(newproxy(true), mt); collectgarbage"collect" |
| 22:42.01 | Cide | fail |
| 22:42.02 | Shirik | ahh I can't use that |
| 22:42.04 | Shirik | grr |
| 22:42.11 | Shirik | See I used debug.setmetatable, that's why I never tried it on you Cide |
| 22:42.16 | Shirik | now that I know I can get my own metatable! |
| 22:42.22 | Cide | hahaha I win |
| 22:42.40 | alestane | >>> local t = newproxy(true); function getmetatable(t).__gc (u) local o = newproxy(u); error("OK"); end return "Done" |
| 22:42.54 | Shirik | >>> local mt = {}; mt.__gc = function() getmetatable(newproxy(true)).__gc = mt.__gc; error("Error"); end; getmetatable(newproxy(true)).__gc = mt.__gc; collectgarbage"collect" |
| 22:42.59 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:43.06 | Shirik | ok Cide, fine |
| 22:43.11 | Shirik | your stupid python wins again |
| 22:43.15 | alestane | Dammit, Colloquy will never show me the whole notice. |
| 22:43.18 | Cide | what's supposed to happen? |
| 22:43.29 | Shirik | Well in the Lua interpreter, it exits unexpectedly |
| 22:43.35 | Cide | >Shirik< [string "local mt = {}; mt.__gc = function() getmeta..."]:1: Error |
| 22:43.39 | Shirik | The ACTUAL code is: local mt = {}; mt.__gc = function() foo = debug.setmetatable(newproxy(), mt); error("Error"); end; debug.setmetatable(newproxy(), mt); collectgarbage"collect" |
| 22:43.42 | Shirik | That's the offending code |
| 22:43.52 | Cide | well |
| 22:43.57 | Shirik | What yours did, Cide, is what I would expect |
| 22:44.03 | Cide | before it exits, is error() called? |
| 22:44.10 | Shirik | kinda |
| 22:44.15 | Shirik | you get half of the error message |
| 22:44.17 | wereHamster | Shirik: have you contacted the gentoo lua package maintainer? |
| 22:44.22 | Shirik | wereHamster: I got no response |
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| 22:44.59 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:45.08 | Amarande | so, apparently cycircled doesn't work with bt4 ... there a replacement? |
| 22:45.09 | alestane | >>> getmetatable(newproxy(true)).__gc = function (u) newproxy(u); error("OK"); end return "Done" |
| 22:45.10 | Cide | alestane: "Done" |
| 22:45.11 | wereHamster | Shirik: how long has it been now? A few days? |
| 22:45.11 | Arrowmaster | *sigh* i may have to install wotlk on another computer and copy the dir over..... |
| 22:45.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, I love how the new secure code .lua has only \n for newlines, and not \r\n :D |
| 22:45.17 | Shirik | wereHamster: At least |
| 22:45.23 | Amarande | or do we suffer with square buttons on BT4 :) |
| 22:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic win for "breaking notepad" there |
| 22:45.38 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yes, buttonfacade |
| 22:46.34 | alestane | >>> getmetatable(newproxy(true)).__gc = function (u) newproxy(u); error("OK"); end collectgarbage(); |
| 22:47.24 | alestane | >>> getmetatable(newproxy(true)).__gc = function (u) newproxy(u); collectgarbage(); error("OK"); end collectgarbage(); |
| 22:47.25 | Shirik | alestane: the bug has two requirements |
| 22:47.30 | Shirik | want me to send you the email? |
| 22:47.33 | Shirik | You're not meeting the second :) |
| 22:47.35 | alestane | I just triggered an overflow. |
| 22:47.57 | alestane | Sure, I'm curious. |
| 22:48.10 | Amarande | also, I still get one odd glitch with ArkInventory |
| 22:48.15 | Shirik | I discovered this while at the Lua conference, lol |
| 22:48.19 | Amarande | I have the font set to Calibri v1 |
| 22:48.38 | Amarande | however, when certain other parts of the interface (especially auctioneer) opens the bag window, sometimes it comes up in Friz Quadrata anyway |
| 22:48.40 | Amarande | I'm not sure why |
| 22:48.50 | Shirik | I need your email, alestane |
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| 22:51.57 | Lunessa | Amarande: Get ButtonFacade at http://files.wowace.com |
| 22:53.04 | Amarande | yeah, I see it |
| 22:53.04 | Amarande | next time I restart wow, though |
| 22:53.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Right so |
| 22:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is userdata? |
| 22:53.52 | Amarande | also, I apparently need to invest in a widescreen monitor soon :| |
| 22:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I know that a frame is "a table with userdata attached" but aside from that I know nothing |
| 22:54.12 | Amarande | I'm running out of room to put stuff without blocking my view :S |
| 22:55.00 | Drundia | well, all normal people have already run out of it |
| 22:55.01 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: It's... not much of anything |
| 22:55.07 | Shirik | A userdata is just a generic "blob" |
| 22:55.24 | Shirik | a light userdata is different from a full userdata in that a light userdata is merely a pointer, whereas a full userdata actually stores data |
| 22:55.27 | alestane | Userdata is a block of memory which can be supplied back to C. |
| 22:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Where, say for example, C-side can store whatever it pleases? |
| 22:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 22:55.33 | Shirik | There is no distinction between the two in Lua |
| 22:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was guessing |
| 22:55.56 | Shirik | alestane: that statement only is true for full userdata :) |
| 22:57.56 | alestane | This is true. |
| 22:58.23 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, the idea behind userdata is allowing Lua scripts to "use" arbitrary types without actually letting them destroy them |
| 22:58.33 | Drundia | well, looking sideways is bad, but i'm afraid we may end up with issues more serious than just inability to pick actions and requirement to read some extra stuff in some secure template related comments :( |
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| 23:02.46 | alestane | Drundia: ? |
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| 23:04.13 | Lunessa | ... i'm so out of the loop. I didn't know that files.wowace.com was folding into curse.com - does someone have a forum link or something for info? |
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| 23:04.48 | Seerah | lunessa: link is on main page of wowace |
| 23:05.13 | Drundia | if everyone is afraid of being looked at sideways it seems no one will make me happy about so cool changes :( |
| 23:05.38 | Lunessa | Ahh... it is larely innocuous, like the warnings in the "Crunchy Frog" skit. |
| 23:06.11 | alestane | Drundia: I can pass it on; I just don't want to get your hopes up too high. |
| 23:06.50 | Shirik | >>> local t = newproxy(true); local gcfn; gcfn = function() getmetatable(newproxy(true)).__gc = gcfn; error("OK"); end; getmetatable(t).__gc = gcfn; t = nil; collectgarbage"collect" |
| 23:06.56 | Shirik | ok, Cide officially wins |
| 23:07.00 | Seerah | today is a sad day :( http://tv.yahoo.com/show/30728/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:20080722:obit_getty |
| 23:07.03 | Cide | of course |
| 23:07.03 | Shirik | that breaks the interpreter but does not break Cide :) |
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| 23:08.19 | Shirik | I just said all that in /say accidentally, and two people PM me "reported hacker" |
| 23:08.32 | wereHamster | Shirik: now that you have found a bug, do you also have a patch for it? |
| 23:08.37 | Shirik | wereHamster: Yup |
| 23:08.41 | nevcairiel | lol shirik |
| 23:08.42 | Shirik | I thought lhf would post it on the site, but apparently not |
| 23:09.02 | wereHamster | who's lhf? |
| 23:09.35 | wereHamster | Good luck explaining the the GM why it isn't hacking what you did :P |
| 23:09.48 | Shirik | http://www.lua.org/authors.html |
| 23:09.50 | Drundia | why do i never see people encouraging others to do "/script WorldFrame:Hide()"? |
| 23:10.11 | Cide | I don't think very many people would |
| 23:10.38 | wereHamster | Shirik: does Blizzard include these patches or are they sticking with vanilla lua-5.1? |
| 23:10.45 | Drundia | wow is full of idiots |
| 23:10.51 | Shirik | I believe they're on a modified 5.1 |
| 23:10.58 | Shirik | I've seen some things patched, others not |
| 23:11.20 | Shirik | in particular, the coroutine bug still exists, but the -nil bug does not |
| 23:11.23 | nevcairiel | its a heavily modified version, with all the taint tracking and all |
| 23:12.11 | alestane | Drundia: Can you give me an example of something you could do with this, that you can't do with the current action button code, that would be within design intentions? |
| 23:12.19 | wereHamster | do you need to modify the lua runtime itself to do the taint tracking? Can't that be done in a extenal module? |
| 23:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Some time ago, didn't someone look into the taint and see that the base lua already has most of the prereqs coded in? |
| 23:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc all you needed to do was modify two functions |
| 23:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But that was a while ago and I'm sketchy on the details |
| 23:14.54 | Shirik | clad|away had a presentation about the taint system at the Lua conference |
| 23:15.19 | Shirik | well the presentation was about more than that, but that's one of the things in it |
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| 23:19.17 | Shirik | hi Guest48318 |
| 23:19.17 | Shirik | do you need help with Cosmos? |
| 23:19.27 | kamdis|afk | rofl |
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| 23:20.31 | Cide | he needs help logging onto the ptr, I think |
| 23:22.57 | Shirik | does anyone know how to do a "whois" if the site is already expired? |
| 23:23.02 | Shirik | kinda like wayback machine but for whois |
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| 23:23.46 | Lunessa | whois.net? |
| 23:24.05 | Lunessa | I'm not sure if they keep an archive or not. |
| 23:24.41 | Unregistered | hello |
| 23:24.54 | Unregistered | hello |
| 23:25.19 | Thunder_Child | hello Unregistered |
| 23:25.51 | Unregistered | how do i get cosmo complete installed ? |
| 23:26.27 | Unregistered | on wow |
| 23:26.29 | Shirik | Publix |
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| 23:30.39 | Thunder_Child | you know, how are we supposed to help people if they dont wait around! |
| 23:31.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: dude, you need to be faster. you need to help them RIGHT NOW. These are IMPORTANT people and can't wait for entire SECONDS for you to try and respond. |
| 23:31.26 | Artmi | Thunder_Child, i wouldn't even bother helping anyone that is impatient :P |
| 23:32.07 | Artmi | nor someone quitting when they got what they came for, that's like free tech support |
| 23:32.10 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i know, it's my fault. Artmi, well i dont know how impatient they are till they leave... |
| 23:32.34 | Artmi | Thunder_Child, i judge by the nick, "Unregistered" was ok, but Guest<xxx> or random typed ones i ignore |
| 23:35.03 | Thunder_Child | " Guest48318 changed nick to kd3" yes Artmi, ignore indeed |
| 23:35.59 | Artmi | Thunder_Child, haha, you know what I mean :) |
| 23:36.26 | Thunder_Child | indeed Artmi |
| 23:36.31 | Thunder_Child | ~hug kd3 |
| 23:36.31 | purl | ACTION hugs kd3 |
| 23:38.40 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I remembered! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202576401&sid=1#4 |
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| 23:45.47 | Fisker- | AnduinLothar |
| 23:45.48 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 23:45.49 | Fisker- | wtf? |
| 23:46.14 | Fisker- | ~kiss AnduinLothar |
| 23:46.14 | purl | ACTION forces AnduinLothar to give Maldivia a big kiss on the neck |
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