| 00:00.28 | Shirik | I'm bored |
| 00:00.32 | Shirik | someone entertain me |
| 00:01.08 | Shirik | ~entertain |
| 00:01.09 | purl | I will stand on one leg and spin Free AOL CDs with both hands for you my lord |
| 00:01.10 | |Jelly| | ~dance |
| 00:01.22 | batrick | shirik |
| 00:01.28 | batrick | i was going to ask you to entertain me |
| 00:01.29 | Shirik | don't you dare say it |
| 00:01.31 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:01.42 | batrick | surely you have found some new vulnerability in batbot fo rme to fix? |
| 00:01.43 | Shirik | want entertainment? Take a look at some of my C++ code |
| 00:01.47 | batrick | LOL |
| 00:01.49 | Shirik | no, I've been toying with the old one |
| 00:02.05 | batrick | if I wanted my eyes to bleed I would look at your commit diff to filumluanris |
| 00:02.12 | batrick | lol j/k |
| 00:03.18 | batrick | btw |
| 00:03.21 | batrick | have you fixed it yet?! |
| 00:04.29 | Shirik | ... that was my "don't you dare say it" comment |
| 00:04.45 | batrick | lmao |
| 00:05.02 | batrick | how am i uspposed to fix batbot if filum is broke!? QQ |
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| 00:07.49 | Shirik | batrick: put newproxy back in |
| 00:07.53 | batrick | no |
| 00:07.55 | Shirik | :< |
| 00:08.06 | batrick | when u fix filum ill do it :P |
| 00:08.57 | Shirik | I know there's more to __newstring bug |
| 00:08.58 | Shirik | er |
| 00:09.02 | Shirik | __tostring |
| 00:09.11 | Shirik | I just need to find it |
| 00:10.41 | foxlit | So I typed > ffmpeg |
| 00:10.48 | foxlit | and then the floodgates opened |
| 00:11.55 | Shirik | did you ever fix this batrick |
| 00:12.09 | Shirik | --> function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a) |
| 00:12.10 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string " function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a..."]:1: [string " function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a..."]:1: [string " function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a..."]:1: [string " function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a..."]...(tldr) |
| 00:12.13 | Shirik | guess so |
| 00:13.01 | wereHamster | what should that produce Shirik? |
| 00:13.09 | Shirik | well that's what it SHOULD produce |
| 00:13.12 | Shirik | it used to crash :) |
| 00:13.21 | wereHamster | stack overflow? |
| 00:13.24 | Shirik | yeah |
| 00:13.25 | Shirik | much like |
| 00:13.40 | Shirik | --> function foo() local s, e = pcall(foo); if not s then print(e) end foo() |
| 00:13.41 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string " function foo() local s, e = pcall(foo); if not s then print(e)..."]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 00:13.44 | Shirik | --> function foo() local s, e = pcall(foo); if not s then print(e) end end foo() |
| 00:13.45 | batbot | Shirik: ead shirik |
| 00:14.00 | Shirik | That's one that batrick has yet to correctly fix :P |
| 00:14.53 | wereHamster | are these fixes queued up for inclusion in upstream? |
| 00:15.18 | Shirik | what do you mean? |
| 00:15.48 | wereHamster | lua-5.1.3-r3 from gentoo crashes on both |
| 00:16.00 | Shirik | really? |
| 00:16.04 | Shirik | I thought they were applying these patches |
| 00:16.31 | Shirik | you're really on r3? r3 is soft masked |
| 00:16.34 | wereHamster | they do some, but not all, since you keep finding a new bug almost every week |
| 00:16.40 | foxlit | # BURN! BURN! ... There's two Rs, h-o-r-r... BURN! |
| 00:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik should set up to maintain the gentoo lua ebuilds |
| 00:16.54 | Shirik | I have no idea how to do that... |
| 00:17.00 | wereHamster | yes, that would be indeed a good idea ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:17.12 | Shirik | anyway wereHamster, the patches are available at lua.org. But I'd do it if someone tells me who to get in touch with |
| 00:17.17 | wereHamster | Shirik: it's not that hard, much easier then git ;) |
| 00:18.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: /join #gentoo-dev and ask there, they could quickly point you to the right person |
| 00:18.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Or at a minimum, someone who could fix it |
| 00:18.55 | wereHamster | Matti Bickel <mabi@gentoo.org> is one of the maintainers |
| 00:19.05 | Shirik | so I should contact him? |
| 00:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have a patch that would fix a segfault, probably |
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| 00:24.59 | foxlit | # Spread the word! Tell a friend! Get a pic, do a blog! Look at him -- not a word! |
| 00:26.57 | batrick | Shirik: I'm not going to fix LuaTAsk :P |
| 00:27.12 | batrick | all that will be fixed when you unbreak filum! |
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| 00:27.37 | Guest921 | soo |
| 00:28.02 | Guest921 | does anyone here know how to open .blp files? ^.^ |
| 00:28.31 | Guest921 | i c |
| 00:29.01 | Shirik | well I sent an email to mabi@gentoo.org |
| 00:29.03 | Shirik | we'll see what he says |
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| 00:30.25 | batrick | Shirik I believe it's fixed now =) |
| 00:30.32 | Shirik | orly |
| 00:30.35 | batrick | yarly |
| 00:30.57 | Shirik | --> function foo() pcall(foo) end foo() |
| 00:31.03 | batbot | Shirik: @ maximum execution time/memory exceeded |
| 00:31.10 | Shirik | o.O |
| 00:31.41 | batrick | uh |
| 00:31.41 | batrick | no |
| 00:31.48 | batrick | I mean that shit you did with __tostring |
| 00:31.54 | Shirik | o |
| 00:32.09 | Shirik | --> error("Test") |
| 00:32.09 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return error("Test")"]:1: Test |
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| 00:32.50 | Shirik | --> return setmetatable({}, {__tostring = function() return debug.getinfo(6).source end}) |
| 00:32.51 | batbot | Shirik: @ error when getting results |
| 00:35.49 | batrick | =) |
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| 00:40.19 | batrick | Shirik: http://unm.edu/~batrick/files/sandbox.lua |
| 00:40.23 | batrick | u can look at what I did |
| 00:49.05 | Shirik | I duno batrick |
| 00:49.07 | Shirik | I think I see a flaw |
| 00:50.11 | Shirik | --> return setmetatable({}, {__tostring = function() return debug.getinfo(5).source end}) |
| 00:50.12 | batbot | Shirik: @ error when getting results |
| 00:50.15 | Shirik | --> return setmetatable({}, {__tostring = function() return debug.getinfo(4).source end}) |
| 00:50.16 | batbot | Shirik: @ error when getting results |
| 00:50.18 | Shirik | --> return setmetatable({}, {__tostring = function() return debug.getinfo(2).source end}) |
| 00:50.19 | batbot | Shirik: > =[C] |
| 00:50.25 | Shirik | --> return setmetatable({}, {__tostring = function() return debug.getinfo(3).source end}) |
| 00:50.26 | batbot | Shirik: > @./sandbox.lua |
| 00:50.40 | Shirik | I'll take this to another hcannel |
| 00:52.40 | Shirik | ok maybe not |
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| 01:01.32 | Shirik | btw batrick |
| 01:01.36 | Shirik | now that you've told me what to do with task |
| 01:01.42 | Shirik | if I ever find it again, you're going down |
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| 01:40.39 | Shirik | wereHamster / ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 01:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | pong |
| 01:40.57 | Fisker- | pong indeed |
| 01:41.07 | Fisker- | Why was i left out? :I |
| 01:41.17 | Shirik | wtf am I doing wrong, I can only get to lua-5.1.3-r1 |
| 01:41.20 | Shirik | my package.use has dev-lang/lua ~x86 |
| 01:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you have any ebuilds for any other versions? |
| 01:41.45 | Shirik | currently at 5.1.1 |
| 01:41.56 | Shirik | it's offering to upgrade to 5.1.3-r1 |
| 01:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the problem? |
| 01:42.14 | Shirik | I want it to go to 5.1.3-r3 |
| 01:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you have the -r3 ebuild? |
| 01:42.25 | Shirik | Which I realize is masked, but I thought editing /etc/portage/package.use should fix that |
| 01:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Also see |
| 01:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 21:41 < ScytheBlade1> Do you have any ebuilds for any other versions? |
| 01:43.05 | Shirik | ... apparently I don't have the ebuilds |
| 01:43.08 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Glad I could help :) |
| 01:47.17 | curti | dragon3022 |
| 01:59.38 | Shirik | ok ScytheBlade1, I have no clue wtf is wrong. Shouldn't I just need to emerge --sync and grab it? |
| 01:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Check /usr/portage/dev-lang/lua |
| 02:00.18 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:00.19 | Shirik | it's in there |
| 02:00.25 | Shirik | li23-154 lua # ls |
| 02:00.25 | Shirik | ChangeLog files lua-5.1.3-r1.ebuild lua-5.1.3-r3.ebuild |
| 02:00.59 | Shirik | but I do an emerge --search lua |
| 02:01.01 | Shirik | and it's all like |
| 02:01.03 | Shirik | * dev-lang/lua |
| 02:01.03 | Shirik | Latest version available: 5.1.3-r1 |
| 02:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | echo dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 >> /etc/portage/package.unmask |
| 02:01.37 | Shirik | shouldn't the ~x86 take care of that? |
| 02:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | arch masking and hard masking are two entirely different things |
| 02:02.15 | Shirik | hm, ok |
| 02:02.19 | Shirik | but it's not hard masked |
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| 02:02.57 | Shirik | li23-154 lua # echo dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 >> /etc/portage/package.unmask |
| 02:03.03 | Shirik | Calculating dependencies... done! |
| 02:03.03 | Shirik | [ebuild U ] dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r1 [5.1.1-r2] USE="readline -deprecated% -static" 0 kB |
| 02:03.24 | Shirik | I think I really jacked something up :/ |
| 02:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 02:05.40 | haste | Shirik: *chants paludis* |
| 02:05.44 | Shirik | no paludis! |
| 02:05.49 | haste | Shirik: you lack a = however |
| 02:05.58 | Shirik | ah yeah |
| 02:06.20 | Shirik | uh, well that broke something |
| 02:06.29 | Shirik | li23-154 lua # echo =dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 >> /etc/portage/package.unmask |
| 02:06.29 | Shirik | li23-154 lua # emerge lua |
| 02:06.29 | Shirik | --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.unmask: dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 |
| 02:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | =dev-lang/etc |
| 02:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry |
| 02:06.59 | Shirik | dev-lang/etc? |
| 02:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | =dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 |
| 02:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Note the = prefix |
| 02:07.23 | haste | he has it now |
| 02:07.24 | Shirik | yeah I was wondering about the etc :P |
| 02:07.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No wait a minute |
| 02:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's right |
| 02:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | No still wrong |
| 02:07.34 | Shirik | but in any case, it's still pissed :P |
| 02:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know |
| 02:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm probably just going to nuke gentoo anyway :P |
| 02:07.58 | haste | did you remove the old one? |
| 02:09.00 | haste | looks like it complains about the old one |
| 02:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | try `emerge =dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3` |
| 02:10.00 | haste | that's not a solution really |
| 02:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Neither is gentoo ;) |
| 02:10.31 | haste | gentoo is fine |
| 02:10.37 | haste | portage however :( |
| 02:10.57 | Olison | paludis pls |
| 02:11.15 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 02:11.17 | Shirik | yeah something's not right |
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| 02:11.24 | Shirik | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3" have been masked. |
| 02:11.24 | Shirik | !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: |
| 02:11.24 | Shirik | - dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) |
| 02:11.27 | Shirik | I thought I fixed that? |
| 02:11.46 | haste | Olison: it's hot! |
| 02:11.59 | haste | a lot better than portage |
| 02:12.06 | Olison | yyy :)) |
| 02:12.10 | Shirik | li23-154 lua # cat /etc/portage/package.use |
| 02:12.10 | Shirik | dev-lang/php apache2 mysql mysqli ftp zip gd bzip2 xml xmlreader |
| 02:12.10 | Shirik | dev-lang/lua ~x86 |
| 02:12.15 | Shirik | ?? |
| 02:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 02:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 02:12.44 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 02:12.50 | Shirik | what :( |
| 02:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | For ~x86 |
| 02:13.03 | Shirik | ... oh :( |
| 02:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | package.use for USE flags |
| 02:13.30 | haste | :D |
| 02:13.31 | Olison | Shirik: >= dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 ~* |
| 02:13.36 | Olison | in package.keywords |
| 02:14.01 | Shirik | that sounds like a very bad idea to me |
| 02:14.13 | Olison | It Works(tm) |
| 02:14.24 | Shirik | I prefer to explicitly state ~x86 so I make sure I'm not missing something :P |
| 02:14.28 | Shirik | ~x86 worked just fine |
| 02:14.35 | Shirik | thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty easy to point out your fail :D |
| 02:15.31 | Shirik | HEY |
| 02:15.36 | Shirik | I said that from the very first line |
| 02:15.38 | Shirik | you just caught it now |
| 02:16.04 | Shirik | and you're all like (22:00:56) (ScytheBlade1) echo dev-lang/lua-5.1.3-r3 >> /etc/portage/package.unmask |
| 02:16.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Just the same I'm not the one with the problem :) |
| 02:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And you're all like |
| 02:16.16 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:12 <@Shirik> li23-154 lua # cat /etc/portage/package.use |
| 02:16.17 | Shirik | (21:41:00) (@Shirik) my package.use has dev-lang/lua ~x86 |
| 02:16.19 | Shirik | ^^^ |
| 02:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:12 <@Shirik> dev-lang/lua ~x86 |
| 02:16.22 | Shirik | and you're like "ok" |
| 02:16.36 | haste | i have my ~x86 in use! |
| 02:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, now you've done it |
| 02:16.49 | haste | not portage however! |
| 02:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | One of these days I'm going to tell you how to do something just slightly wrong :P |
| 02:17.11 | Shirik | well thanks anyway |
| 02:17.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying |
| 02:17.18 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 02:19.55 | haste | mmm, milk and pizza |
| 02:31.07 | Mikk | ew |
| 02:33.59 | Shirik | wereHamster: I just tested |
| 02:34.04 | Shirik | r3 does not crash on those samples :/ |
| 02:35.04 | haste | c stack overflow! |
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| 02:43.34 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:43.43 | Amarande | I think I may have figured out a workaround for E134 that works |
| 02:43.59 | Amarande | I'll see if I don't get the crash by the end of the weekend |
| 02:49.15 | Amarande | so far, it looks like using the OpenGL thingy under the E132 advice is working |
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| 03:00.13 | batrick | 1:32 <@Shirik> btw batrick |
| 03:00.13 | batrick | 19:01:36 <@Shirik> now that you've told me what to do with task |
| 03:00.13 | batrick | 19:01:42 <@Shirik> if I ever find it again, you're going down |
| 03:00.15 | batrick | roffles |
| 03:00.22 | Shirik | :P |
| 03:05.14 | batrick | Want to see a magic trick? |
| 03:05.21 | batrick | I can make this pencil disappear... |
| 03:06.12 | Amarande | Do you wish to destroy [Illidan's Pencil of Shadow Rulership]? [Yes] [No] |
| 03:08.31 | curti | batrick, i see what you did there. |
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| 03:11.24 | batrick | man |
| 03:11.46 | batrick | my sister's hamster is outside running on his wheel like the devil is chasing him, if he keeps it up it may become reality |
| 03:11.50 | Bibi | hey |
| 03:12.09 | Bibi | what's the command to set the zoom level of the camera ? |
| 03:14.38 | curti | ./script SetCVar("cameraDistanceMax",X) |
| 03:14.42 | curti | X is the distance |
| 03:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: should offer it to blizzard, to power their servers |
| 03:15.52 | Bibi | thanks curti ^^ |
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| 04:08.31 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 04:08.32 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 04:08.42 | curti | o.O |
| 04:09.16 | Thunder_Child | ~lart curti |
| 04:09.16 | purl | chops curti in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
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| 04:13.53 | curti | :( |
| 04:14.53 | Thunder_Child | i'm sorry curti but it cant be helped, if we dont nip it in the bud it will turn into another Fisker- |
| 04:16.36 | Thunder_Child | ~wave Cairenn |
| 04:16.37 | purl | Bye, Cairenn |
| 04:16.40 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 04:16.44 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 04:16.45 | Thunder_Child | bad purl, bad |
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| 04:24.28 | Thunder_Child | ~hello Iriel |
| 04:24.28 | purl | ACTION stands up and shouts "HELLO Iriel!" |
| 04:24.36 | Thunder_Child | well that works slightly better |
| 04:28.00 | dread | ~bored |
| 04:28.01 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 04:31.48 | Thunder_Child | ~greet Thunder_Child |
| 04:31.49 | purl | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Thunder_Child |
| 04:31.56 | Thunder_Child | uhh....no |
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| 04:49.58 | dread | did anyone else see the dark knight yet? |
| 04:50.57 | Tain | Yes. |
| 04:51.04 | kd3 | damn awesome movie |
| 04:51.23 | dread | I loved the disappearing pencil trick |
| 04:51.34 | curti | yes |
| 04:55.49 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.35 | Cairenn | haste: ping? |
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| 05:17.28 | Cairenn | bleh, pidgin crashed on me - did you respond haste? |
| 05:18.49 | |Jelly| | no |
| 05:18.51 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:18.58 | Cairenn | okay, thanks guys |
| 05:19.04 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 05:21.16 | Thunder_Child | ~bling |
| 05:21.16 | purl | ok brutus, whatever you say dude |
| 05:22.44 | Thunder_Child | ~happy |
| 05:22.45 | purl | rumour has it, happy is stop smiling at me,i will force you to bear my hell spawn!! |
| 05:23.12 | curti | Is purl just a bot? |
| 05:23.23 | Yssaril | curti: yes |
| 05:23.52 | batrick | purl is evil |
| 05:24.47 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate batrick |
| 05:24.57 | Thunder_Child | ~batrick |
| 05:25.04 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 05:25.45 | Thunder_Child | ignore batrick curti, purl is fine |
| 05:25.58 | curti | okay |
| 05:26.47 | Thunder_Child | ~batrick |
| 05:26.47 | purl | Batrick is evil. |
| 05:26.57 | batrick | wowow |
| 05:27.17 | batrick | batbot is it true? |
| 05:27.17 | batbot | batrick, \(o_O)/ |
| 05:27.45 | Thunder_Child | ~batbot |
| 05:27.45 | purl | --> batbot(); |
| 05:27.48 | batbot | purl: @ [string "return batbot();"]:1: attempt to call global 'batbot' (a nil value) |
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| 05:28.14 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo batbot |
| 05:28.14 | purl | batbot -- created by Shirik <n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> at Mon Jan 21 23:28:29 2008 (180 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Thunder_Child, 29s ago. |
| 05:28.29 | batrick | O.o |
| 05:28.44 | Thunder_Child | i think he ws trying to break batbot at the time |
| 05:28.51 | Thunder_Child | was* |
| 05:29.01 | batrick | shirik is always trying to break batbot : / |
| 05:29.19 | Thunder_Child | and he seems to suceed quite often |
| 05:29.30 | Thunder_Child | succeed (sp?) |
| 05:29.31 | batrick | every two monthes or so yes |
| 05:29.32 | batbot | Thunder_Child, succeed is correct. |
| 05:29.56 | Thunder_Child | ~school |
| 05:29.57 | purl | [school] where more people should spend some time. IF they refuse then they should do alot of reading on their own. very annoying if you're in the same class as all the stupid annoying jerks who don't have a clue how to convert centimetres to metres (divide by 100), or the human version of apt-get update |
| 05:30.05 | batrick | more than half the shit he's found were problems in fucking luatask |
| 05:31.25 | Thunder_Child | wow...high has been around for 2,753 days and it's retarded |
| 05:31.28 | Thunder_Child | ~high |
| 05:31.28 | purl | howghdy |
| 05:36.52 | Fisker- | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 05:36.52 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Thunder_Child feel it |
| 05:37.04 | Fisker- | fail |
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| 05:41.15 | batrick | no u fail |
| 05:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fixed the blocks, not reformatting out of apathy |
| 05:46.31 | curti | good night! |
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| 06:26.01 | Gnarfoz | arghh |
| 06:26.07 | Gnarfoz | !api MessageFrame |
| 06:26.07 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'MessageFrame'. |
| 06:26.10 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 06:26.12 | Gnarfoz | halp |
| 06:26.31 | Gnarfoz | I'm creating a MessageFrame, but I don't get it to display actual text >_> |
| 06:26.32 | Thunder_Child | you meazn chat fram? |
| 06:26.38 | Thunder_Child | frame* |
| 06:26.41 | Thunder_Child | mean* |
| 06:26.44 | Thunder_Child | wow...so tired |
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| 06:27.04 | Gnarfoz | no, a fresh frame of the type "MessageFrame" (i.e. blah=CreateFrame("MessageFrame") |
| 06:27.32 | Gnarfoz | I must be missing something because blah:IsVisible() returns 1, so it should be visible? >_> |
| 06:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | !api CreateFrame |
| 06:27.38 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'CreateFrame' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame |
| 06:27.52 | Gnarfoz | I know CreateFrame :( |
| 06:27.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, one of those |
| 06:27.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah no idea |
| 06:28.36 | Gnarfoz | doesn't error, either |
| 06:28.41 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: uh, probably a dumb question, but you did SetAllPoints() it yes? |
| 06:28.54 | Gnarfoz | no I didn't. to what should I setallpoint it? |
| 06:28.58 | Gnarfoz | it's a frame of its own |
| 06:29.21 | Gnarfoz | I did blah:SetPoint("CENTER",0,0) |
| 06:29.22 | durcyn | well, width/height then |
| 06:29.26 | Gnarfoz | that, too |
| 06:30.58 | Gnarfoz | hm, trying something |
| 06:31.43 | Guest921 | a |
| 06:31.44 | Guest921 | a |
| 06:31.47 | Guest921 | oops |
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| 06:33.36 | Gnarfoz | how do I create a fontstring in lua? |
| 06:35.21 | Gnarfoz | ah. |
| 06:37.17 | Gnarfoz | still no dice xD |
| 06:37.21 | Iriel | someFrame:CreateFontString |
| 06:37.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah I did that |
| 06:37.41 | Iriel | You need to set a font objec on it too |
| 06:37.46 | Gnarfoz | hm |
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| 06:37.46 | Iriel | so it knows what to display as |
| 06:38.07 | Gnarfoz | sometimes wowwiki is severely lacking :D |
| 06:38.20 | Iriel | Once you figure out what it's missing ---- add it 8-) |
| 06:39.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but I'm literally taking stabs in the dark here |
| 06:40.06 | Gnarfoz | also no working /dump doesn't help etc |
| 06:40.16 | Iriel | 3.0? |
| 06:40.19 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 06:40.24 | Iriel | I fixed that today, let me tell you how 8-) |
| 06:40.45 | Gnarfoz | please do :> |
| 06:40.49 | Iriel | DevToolsDump.lua |
| 06:40.51 | Iriel | line 366 |
| 06:40.53 | Iriel | change it to local function DevTools_DumpCommand(self, msg) |
| 06:41.03 | Iriel | they changed how slash commands get invoked |
| 06:41.36 | Gnarfoz | yay <3 |
| 06:41.45 | Gnarfoz | this is a major step forward ;D |
| 06:41.50 | Iriel | heh |
| 06:42.13 | Iriel | Unfortunately I then left to go to a wedding so I haven't had much chance to do more |
| 06:42.47 | Iriel | (well, fortunately - it was a nice wedding, but it got in the way of wow stuff) |
| 06:43.05 | Gnarfoz | heh ;) |
| 06:45.41 | Gnarfoz | !api CreateFontString |
| 06:45.41 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'CreateFontString'. |
| 06:45.42 | Fisker- | ~kiss Gnarfoz |
| 06:45.43 | purl | ACTION forces Gnarfoz to give Kody- a big kiss on the neck |
| 06:45.43 | Fisker- | beta? |
| 06:46.00 | Gnarfoz | that's actually pretty accurate ;p |
| 06:46.32 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 06:46.34 | Iriel | !api Frame:CreateFontString |
| 06:46.35 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Frame:CreateFontString'. |
| 06:46.40 | Iriel | Interesing |
| 06:47.17 | Iriel | Frame:CreateFontString(["name"[,"layer"[,"inheritsFrom"]]]) - Create and return a new FontString as a child of this Frame - Can instantiate virtuals in 1.11. |
| 06:47.22 | Iriel | That's the best I can get you 8-) |
| 06:48.14 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's what I got |
| 06:48.51 | Iriel | generally you need to create one, give it a font object, a size and anchor, and some text |
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| 06:53.59 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 06:55.03 | Gnarfoz | just, that I actually want to use a MessageFrame, but I don't know if I have to do more prep work than just CreateFrame("MessageFrame",a) and a:SetHeight/Width/Point/Show() a:AddMessage() |
| 06:55.21 | Iriel | Not really, beyond SetFontObject |
| 06:55.52 | Iriel | (or is it SetFont.. let me look) |
| 06:56.16 | Iriel | SetFontObject works |
| 06:56.27 | Iriel | or you can set all the font bits individually |
| 06:57.57 | Gnarfoz | ahahaha |
| 06:57.59 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 06:58.10 | Gnarfoz | I just scrapped it all and basically copied what I just wrote there |
| 06:58.14 | Gnarfoz | and now it works ;) |
| 06:58.26 | Gnarfoz | keeping it simple works wonders ^^ |
| 06:58.29 | Iriel | dont you hate it when that happens |
| 06:58.39 | Gnarfoz | thanks for your help =) |
| 07:04.23 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, Iriel cheats, thats how he knows it so well |
| 07:04.46 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 07:04.49 | Fisker- | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 07:04.49 | purl | changes Thunder_Child's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 07:04.58 | Gnarfoz | you larted aestil offline |
| 07:05.05 | Gnarfoz | you should be ashamed of yourself |
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| 07:05.20 | Thunder_Child | if only that worked, Fisker-, would NEVER be able to stay on the channel |
| 07:05.54 | Iriel | Wow, becoming revered with the scryers is fantastically underwhelming |
| 07:06.24 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* the "Watchmen Trailer" is making my head hurt |
| 07:09.10 | Gnarfoz | heh |
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| 07:12.50 | Fisker- | ~sex Gnarfoz |
| 07:13.06 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:13.25 | Fisker- | purl, sex is <reply>$1 has sex leg |
| 07:13.25 | purl | ...but sex is already something else... |
| 07:13.29 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 07:13.30 | Fisker- | ~sex |
| 07:13.31 | purl | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 07:13.35 | Fisker- | fail |
| 07:15.16 | Fisker- | purl, sexleg is <reply>$1 has sex leg |
| 07:15.17 | purl | okay, Fisker- |
| 07:15.21 | Fisker- | ~sexleg Gnarfoz |
| 07:15.27 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, dont you need a variable container as well |
| 07:15.38 | Thunder_Child | $1<reply>$1 |
| 07:15.53 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 07:15.56 | Thunder_Child | ~literal CMD: lart (.*?) |
| 07:15.57 | purl | "cmd: lart (.*?)" is "($1): shut up $1" |
| 07:16.26 | Fisker- | ~lart k |
| 07:16.26 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on k |
| 07:16.29 | Thunder_Child | ~literal sexleg |
| 07:16.29 | purl | "sexleg" is "<reply>$1 has sex leg" |
| 07:16.31 | Fisker- | bleh |
| 07:16.50 | Fisker- | ~fail Fisker- |
| 07:16.51 | purl | Fisker-: FAIL! |
| 07:16.55 | Thunder_Child | purl, no, sexleg is $1 <reply>$1 has sex leg |
| 07:16.55 | purl | okay, Thunder_Child |
| 07:17.00 | Thunder_Child | ~sexleg Fisker- |
| 07:17.04 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 07:17.11 | Fisker- | it needs to be a cmd |
| 07:17.11 | Thunder_Child | need to work on it |
| 07:17.12 | Fisker- | something liek |
| 07:17.27 | Fisker- | purl CMD: sexleg is ($1): $1 has sex leg |
| 07:17.27 | purl | okay, Fisker- |
| 07:17.32 | Fisker- | ~sexleg Gnarfoz |
| 07:17.39 | Thunder_Child | no it does not have to be cmd |
| 07:17.41 | Fisker- | <-still fail |
| 07:17.43 | Fisker- | oh |
| 07:17.45 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:17.48 | Fisker- | ~sexleg |
| 07:17.49 | purl | somebody said sexleg was $1 <reply>$1 has sex leg |
| 07:17.57 | Fisker- | i disagree :o |
| 07:18.03 | Fisker- | we all suck |
| 07:18.24 | Fisker- | purl CMD: sexleg (.*?) is ($1): $1 has sex leg |
| 07:18.25 | purl | Fisker-: okay |
| 07:18.28 | Fisker- | ~sexleg Gnarfoz |
| 07:18.29 | purl | Gnarfoz has sex leg |
| 07:18.32 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 07:18.33 | Fisker- | 1-0 |
| 07:18.45 | Fisker- | <-sleeptiems |
| 07:31.51 | Fisker- | i can't sleep ;_; |
| 07:32.03 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 07:32.04 | purl | Fisker-: FAIL! |
| 07:32.10 | kd3 | bah. the westfall spirit healer's laughing at me |
| 07:32.17 | kd3 | so apparently we're not allowed to die in crystalsong yet |
| 07:32.21 | Fisker- | you has beta ;_; |
| 07:32.37 | Fisker- | try autounstuck |
| 07:32.42 | Fisker- | that should port you to an eligible spirit healer |
| 07:32.59 | kd3 | meh, I already took res sickness and hearthed back to northrend |
| 07:33.14 | Fisker- | oh then that was eligible :P |
| 07:33.51 | Fisker- | omg password |
| 07:34.12 | Fersinji1 | kd3 |
| 07:34.20 | kd3 | impressive getting that from in-game wow data and bittorent traffic |
| 07:34.22 | kd3 | ya? |
| 07:34.31 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 07:34.36 | Fisker- | i am pretty awesome |
| 07:34.47 | kd3 | gah, they need to fix the snow texture |
| 07:34.53 | kd3 | looks pretty bad flying over dragonblight |
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| 07:40.05 | Thunder_Child | maybe you need to fix your hardware kd3 |
| 07:40.38 | Thunder_Child | meh, to tired to poke at people properly, night all |
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| 09:23.47 | Fisker- | ohøj Kalroth |
| 09:24.00 | Kalroth | 10-4 skipper |
| 09:24.30 | Fisker- | skipper ;_; |
| 09:24.35 | Fisker- | ~sexleg Kalroth |
| 09:24.36 | purl | Kalroth has sex leg |
| 09:25.42 | Kalroth | see more at http://notakeylogger.cn/backdoorjpgs/legs/sex/mysister.jpg |
| 09:28.16 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 09:30.55 | wereHamster | Kalroth: there seem to be a problem with your website: Address Not Found, Firefox can't find the server at www.notakeylogger.cn. |
| 09:31.56 | Kalroth | heh, keylogger.cn actually exists |
| 09:32.06 | Gnarfoz | what do they host? |
| 09:32.10 | Kalroth | http://keylogger.cn/ |
| 09:32.14 | Kalroth | "Services for this domain have been discontinued" |
| 09:32.18 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 09:32.22 | Gnarfoz | out of business so soon |
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| 10:38.46 | Fisker- | silent channel is siiiiiileent |
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| 10:57.06 | wereHamster | I CAN'T HEAR YOU FISKER-, IT'S TOO LOUD IN THIS CHANNEL |
| 10:57.50 | Fisker- | my eyes |
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| 11:01.28 | wereHamster | Your eyes? Here they are: O.O |
| 11:02.13 | Fisker- | must close them |
| 11:02.15 | Fisker- | U.U |
| 11:02.17 | Fisker- | that's better |
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| 11:29.00 | Fisker- | http://blog.managednetworks.co.uk/it-support/googles-20-petabytes/ <-a kilobyte is a bowl of rice! |
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| 11:38.08 | wereHamster | and a Petabyte can feed the whole world! |
| 11:38.19 | nevcairiel | not for long, though |
| 11:38.28 | wereHamster | imagine that, google stops world hunger |
| 11:39.08 | Fisker- | well if we all installed printerr that has ricepaper |
| 11:39.12 | Fisker- | and then print all of google out |
| 11:39.14 | Fisker- | baww |
| 11:39.31 | wereHamster | well, petabyte = 80 bowls of rice for every person on earth, 20 petabytes a day.. that's a lot rice |
| 11:43.03 | Corrodias | okay, but that's like thinking of the contents of my computer as being the size of over a thousand shipping containers |
| 11:43.16 | Corrodias | so i think the scale is a little exaggerated for 2008 |
| 11:49.02 | Fisker- | ~kiss wereHamster |
| 11:49.02 | purl | ACTION forces wereHamster to give wereHamster a big kiss on the forhead |
| 11:49.09 | Fisker- | WHAT ARE THE ODDS |
| 11:49.12 | Fisker- | :o |
| 11:49.27 | Fisker- | must've been very akward to kiss yourself on the forehead |
| 11:51.57 | wereHamster | Fisker-: care to explain how I should do that? Kiss myself? |
| 11:52.56 | Fisker- | you tell me |
| 11:53.02 | Fisker- | purl just forced you to it |
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| 11:56.14 | wereHamster | Fisker-: sorry, I'm unable to tell you |
| 12:14.05 | Artmi | Corrodias, be that as it may, i think it is a good way of showing the world, how much data |
| 12:14.19 | Artmi | google actually uses, in a good way everyone can understand |
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| 12:24.08 | Gnarfoz | what would be a simple way to make a frame "visible"? |
| 12:24.19 | nevcairiel | frame:Show()? :D |
| 12:24.21 | Gnarfoz | like, can I simply set it to a color? |
| 12:24.28 | nevcairiel | oh. |
| 12:24.29 | Gnarfoz | without creating a texture and whatnot |
| 12:24.39 | nevcairiel | set a backdrop |
| 12:24.41 | Gnarfoz | I simply want to see where my SetPoint calls etc make the frame end up |
| 12:24.56 | wereHamster | set backdrop and then setvertexcolor |
| 12:25.34 | Gnarfoz | even though I've got the wowwiki page open for setbackdrop, I simply don't grasp it ^^ |
| 12:26.05 | Gnarfoz | I don't want a bg texture or even a border texture, I just want it a solid color :( :\ |
| 12:26.36 | nevcairiel | http://ace.pastey.net/91656 |
| 12:26.39 | nevcairiel | just do that |
| 12:27.05 | nevcairiel | could probably save the border color call |
| 12:27.16 | nevcairiel | i just cp'ed it |
| 12:27.42 | Gnarfoz | hm, thx ;) |
| 12:34.53 | Gnarfoz | this backdrop business is weird ^^ |
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| 12:47.19 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: why do you think? |
| 12:48.15 | Gnarfoz | I think I finally got what I wanted. I changed the BorderFile to "" |
| 12:48.19 | Gnarfoz | and insets all to 0 |
| 12:48.30 | Gnarfoz | I should probably check in photoshop or something ;> |
| 12:59.15 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz |
| 12:59.20 | Fisker- | i have haet for you |
| 13:00.14 | Gnarfoz | my haet |
| 13:00.18 | Gnarfoz | it's > 9000 |
| 13:00.26 | Gnarfoz | but... why haet me? :< |
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| 13:04.27 | Fisker- | i want beta ;_; |
| 13:04.46 | [Liq] | want my key? |
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| 13:07.22 | Fisker- | if it isn't used :P |
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| 13:20.45 | Gnarfoz | well wtf |
| 13:20.47 | Gnarfoz | :> |
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| 13:20.52 | Gnarfoz | can you define your own FontObjects somehow? |
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| 13:30.15 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: How did you fix it? |
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| 13:38.16 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 13:38.21 | Gnarfoz | how? :< |
| 13:38.25 | Gnarfoz | without XML, too |
| 13:38.43 | Gnarfoz | (and why can't I inherit MasterFont, even though other addons do? >_>) |
| 13:39.04 | amro | you must achieve Enlightement first, Gnarfoz |
| 13:39.07 | amro | +n |
| 13:39.13 | wereHamster | google.com/?q=wowwiki+createfont |
| 13:39.16 | Gnarfoz | e17? no thanx :> |
| 13:39.20 | amro | lol |
| 13:39.37 | Gnarfoz | wereHamster: got a wowwiki firefox plugin anyway, I've been searching the last hour so :p |
| 13:39.56 | Gnarfoz | too bad it's a "red link" |
| 13:39.59 | Gnarfoz | !api CreateFont |
| 13:39.59 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'CreateFont' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFont |
| 13:40.02 | wereHamster | why a plugin, 'site:wowwiki.com ???' works always |
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| 13:40.25 | Gnarfoz | [ctrl+k] stuff i'm looking for [enter] is faster. |
| 13:40.36 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/coolDown/coolDownFont.lua |
| 13:40.44 | Gnarfoz | thx |
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| 13:40.54 | Gnarfoz | font stuff is really messy somehow :> |
| 13:41.53 | wereHamster | no, just not well enough docuemented |
| 13:42.53 | Shirik | ok |
| 13:42.57 | Gnarfoz | or that, yeah |
| 13:42.57 | Shirik | there is a mouse stuck on my screen |
| 13:43.10 | Fisker- | kill it |
| 13:43.16 | Shirik | like I have two mice on my screen, one is mine, one is just this one sitting there |
| 13:43.31 | Fisker- | oooh the cursor |
| 13:44.33 | wereHamster | Shirik: that's the new MPX feature :) |
| 13:45.02 | Fisker- | "Blood talent, dose weapon damage + reduces health by 20%." |
| 13:45.06 | Fisker- | In a thread about raiding |
| 13:45.19 | Fisker- | Because obviously Death Knights will be able to remove health by 20% on raidbosses :D |
| 13:45.27 | Fisker- | not overpowered in any way |
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| 13:45.38 | [dRaCo] | I'd say bosses are immune |
| 13:45.48 | wereHamster | no, because the bosses will have 20% more HP |
| 13:46.08 | Fisker- | that'd be horrible |
| 13:47.12 | Gnarfoz | !api SetTextColor |
| 13:47.12 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'SetTextColor'. |
| 13:47.19 | Gnarfoz | !api Frame:SetTextColor |
| 13:47.19 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Frame:SetTextColor'. |
| 13:49.08 | Gnarfoz | any idea why the font size parameter of SetFont doesn't really change the size after a certain point? oO |
| 13:50.20 | amro | which certain point? |
| 13:51.14 | Gnarfoz | good question |
| 13:51.22 | Gnarfoz | 32 is the same as 64, for example ;D |
| 13:54.32 | Gnarfoz | after 24 actually. |
| 13:55.18 | amro | I'd guess it's a hardcoded limit |
| 13:55.20 | Shirik | !g DS_STORE |
| 13:55.21 | batbot | Shirik: .DS_Store - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.DS_Store> |
| 13:57.44 | Gnarfoz | amro: it's not like that's the biggest font size achievable, I've seen bigger font sizes I guess? :\ |
| 13:59.57 | amro | it's the only reasonable explanation |
| 14:01.42 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: why do you need such big font? |
| 14:02.14 | [dRaCo] | he want's "DON'T PANIC" all over his screen |
| 14:02.18 | [dRaCo] | *wants |
| 14:02.18 | Gnarfoz | because it should be reasonably well readable (on screenshots) and it's a "fancy" font (i.e. 'grunge' look etc) |
| 14:02.19 | [dRaCo] | o0 |
| 14:02.32 | Gnarfoz | [dRaCo]: no, I have Joo-Janta 200 Peril Sensitive Sunglasses for that. |
| 14:02.36 | [dRaCo] | k |
| 14:02.37 | Gnarfoz | thanks to Mikma :P |
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| 14:10.20 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: take the screenshot and then use photoshop to add the text... |
| 14:10.34 | Gnarfoz | wereHamster: yeah... no |
| 14:10.37 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 14:10.51 | Gnarfoz | different approach ;) |
| 14:13.28 | wereHamster | create all ascii characters in photoshop at your desired size, save as texture and load into wow |
| 14:17.42 | Gnarfoz | wereHamster: lol, that's possible, but insane :D |
| 14:17.46 | Gnarfoz | !api !api |
| 14:17.46 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '!api'. |
| 14:17.53 | Gnarfoz | lol that was also insane |
| 14:17.58 | Gnarfoz | !api RegisterEvent |
| 14:17.58 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'RegisterEvent'. |
| 14:18.08 | wereHamster | see, you are insane, so go with my suggestion |
| 14:18.32 | wereHamster | api only lists lua functions, not functions that can be used on frames |
| 14:18.48 | Gnarfoz | D: |
| 14:19.17 | wereHamster | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 14:19.35 | Gnarfoz | I know the page, it's just not helpful :p |
| 14:19.44 | wereHamster | what do you want to know? |
| 14:20.43 | Gnarfoz | found it on the "events" page.... that should probably be on the RegisterEvent page >_> |
| 14:21.02 | Gnarfoz | I could have looked at one of my older mods, but as we already established, I'm clearly insane :D |
| 14:21.09 | wereHamster | you mean this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API) ? |
| 14:21.28 | wereHamster | this page is linked to from RegisterEvent |
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| 14:50.14 | Matze202 | hiho @all, kann hier jemand deutsch? |
| 14:50.58 | [dRaCo] | yeah, but it's an english speaking channel... |
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| 15:05.16 | Shirik | Okay, just spent an hour studying for differential equations, and I've determined I can't add |
| 15:05.48 | Shirik | Every time I got a problem wrong, it was because of something like (just now) 2 = c + 1 - 2, therefore c must be 2 |
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| 15:11.12 | Mikk | Standard engineer problem |
| 15:11.16 | Mikk | Must use pocket calculator |
| 15:11.26 | Mikk | Or better yet TI graph calculator |
| 15:11.46 | Fisker- | have they removed purchase of pre-paid codes from the blizzard store? |
| 15:12.13 | Fisker- | appears so :o |
| 15:12.33 | durcyn | i blame denmark. |
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| 15:26.39 | Fisker- | btw Shirik |
| 15:26.56 | Fisker- | The keylogger people have totally owned us |
| 15:27.06 | Fisker- | All the authenticators are made in china |
| 15:27.09 | Fisker- | d'oh |
| 15:27.26 | Hexarobi | hdhd |
| 15:27.28 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 15:29.46 | Shirik | Fisker-: Not surprised :P |
| 15:53.42 | Nom- | woot druids are finally getting an out of combat rez! |
| 15:54.13 | Fisker- | old :( |
| 15:54.52 | Nom- | I'm just catching up on like weeks of WotLK goss |
| 15:55.27 | Shirik | ... why? |
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| 15:57.25 | laeg | does anybody know a mod that will tell you how much of a target's cooldown is on spells like ice block etc? |
| 15:57.34 | laeg | s/on/left |
| 15:57.36 | Shirik | necb |
| 15:57.42 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 15:58.31 | sancus | afflicted |
| 15:58.52 | laeg | Shirik: ty |
| 15:58.59 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child it's you! |
| 15:59.05 | Shirik | Fisker- it's you! |
| 15:59.11 | Fisker- | no ITS YOU |
| 15:59.15 | Shirik | no u |
| 15:59.22 | Shirik | batbot: no u |
| 15:59.26 | Shirik | :< |
| 15:59.35 | Shirik | !nou |
| 15:59.38 | Shirik | I give up |
| 15:59.42 | Thunder_Child | Fisker- it is way to soon after i woke up to insult you, you will have to wait till later |
| 15:59.57 | Shirik | never too early to insult fisker |
| 16:00.16 | Thunder_Child | LIES! |
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| 16:01.43 | Amarande | well, just for those of you who got your hopes up ... the 'cure' I thought I found for the error doesn't fully work |
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| 16:02.09 | Shirik | seterrorhandler(function() end) |
| 16:02.11 | Amarande | (and in my case, the error appears to happen completely randomly, so even tracking a particular in-game action or object to be the cause isn't working) |
| 16:02.20 | Amarande | Shirik: do you know anyone who's on the beta -and- had the error 134 issues in live? |
| 16:02.34 | Shirik | haven't really bothered to ask |
| 16:02.41 | Amarande | mainly wondering if Wrath is indeed going to fix it |
| 16:03.38 | Amarande | since the difficulty Blizzard is having tracking down the bug is indication to me that it's unlikely we'll be able to get a fix in 2.4.x |
| 16:04.17 | Shirik | that's an unfair assumption |
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| 16:05.51 | Amarande | Shirik: just thinking it likely based on it only being a few months now till 3.0.0 and the fact that this bug seems to be a deeply hidden one |
| 16:06.06 | Amarande | as I said yesterday, it is far easier to determine that a bug exists than to figure out what and where it is :) |
| 16:06.12 | Shirik | how do you know 3.0 is only a few months away |
| 16:06.24 | Shirik | and besides, that's still an unfair assumption |
| 16:06.33 | Shirik | a "deeply hidden bug" does not take a long time to find |
| 16:06.37 | Shirik | what it takes is luck |
| 16:06.51 | Shirik | eventually it will be found. When that will happen could be tomorrow and it could be a year from now |
| 16:06.56 | Codayus | A release date this year seems very likely. The point about luck vs time is a good one though. :) |
| 16:08.29 | Amarande | Any likely theory on what was added in 2.4.2 that caused it? The only thing we have any idea about for sure is that it didn't appear until 2.4.2 |
| 16:08.57 | Shirik | you can't prove that 2.4.2 caused it, either |
| 16:09.13 | Shirik | see you're making these assumptions without a correct basis for them |
| 16:09.31 | Shirik | You, in fact, can't even prove the problem is in WoW |
| 16:09.36 | Amarande | Shirik: The myriad of people on the boards getting the error say they had no such issues until 2.4.2 |
| 16:09.42 | Shirik | I won't deny that |
| 16:09.44 | Amarande | However, I DO also remember a lot of people reporting file issues since 2.4.0 |
| 16:09.53 | Amarande | which means it may be -that- patch which has to be combed over |
| 16:10.19 | Amarande | A lot of folks installed 2.4.0 over 2.3.3 and then had to ... wait a minute. |
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| 16:10.35 | Amarande | my last attempt to reinstall WoW, I installed 2.3.0 and then 2.4.0 |
| 16:10.51 | Amarande | Shirik: is it possible to cleanly revert to 2.0.0 without first having the repair tool tell you you need to? |
| 16:10.51 | Fisker- | A file issue could be a hardware related issue |
| 16:11.06 | Amarande | Fisker: and yet there are people reporting buying entirely new PCs to try to fix the error and still getting it |
| 16:11.11 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of |
| 16:11.23 | Fisker- | New PC's can have issues too |
| 16:11.24 | wereHamster | Amarande: randomly delete some files |
| 16:12.00 | Amarande | Fisker: I'd expect Dell would rigorously test hardware before release to justify the $3k+ price tags at all on the Alienware line |
| 16:12.11 | Amarande | but that might be a wrong assumption also :) |
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| 16:12.50 | Fisker- | I wouldn't really count on it |
| 16:13.04 | Fisker- | All you pay for in that case is the brand |
| 16:13.22 | Fisker- | running a prime95 benchmark is a pretty good idea |
| 16:13.47 | Amarande | hmm, or maybe the Sandra burnin suite |
| 16:14.12 | Amarande | I don't see prime95 likely to reveal anything that memtest wouldn't |
| 16:14.26 | Amarande | and all memory tests come up OK (despite me having sticks that don't match) |
| 16:14.44 | Amarande | actually it did occur to me whether a dual core CPU + single channel RAM combo is a cause of instability, but a hardware channel suggests to me that it isn't |
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| 16:16.00 | Fisker- | prime95 is usually preferred over memtest |
| 16:16.49 | haste | how does non-matching sticks say that a memtest shouldn't be fine? |
| 16:17.40 | Amarande | haste: some people have found that non-matching RAM sticks cause machine issues |
| 16:17.48 | Amarande | however, wouldn't such an error show up in a memory test? |
| 16:18.10 | haste | that really depends imo |
| 16:18.16 | Shirik | sure, if the board is stupid |
| 16:18.21 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.45 | Amarande | or does Windows/WoW have coding that expects a dual core CPU to have dual channel memory and can puke randomly if it is only single? |
| 16:18.56 | Industrial | im in ur pc bein retarder aaauuueeoeloloelaoaenfnfnsl |
| 16:19.03 | Amarande | Operative word: "randomly", which is exactly how the E134's happen |
| 16:19.06 | Industrial | and splenign wrong. |
| 16:19.44 | Shirik | Amarande: WoW would have no access to that |
| 16:20.26 | Amarande | Okay, does Windows have such issues, then, that a simple memory tester would not? |
| 16:20.26 | Shirik | The OS abstracts any operations with memory to the point where all you know is "I have an address, it's valid" and it may not even be an actual address |
| 16:20.43 | Shirik | extremely unlikely |
| 16:20.52 | Amarande | hmm, that means it's *not* the RAM, then. |
| 16:21.00 | Amarande | waiting for Sandra burn-in suite to tell me if anything errors |
| 16:21.18 | Codayus | WoW does something flaky with RAM, it seems. There have been periodic epidemics of issues since launch... |
| 16:21.20 | haste | while using the computer :D ? |
| 16:21.37 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 16:21.45 | Amarande | haste: additional load from using the PC probably makes it only more likely for an error to turn up :) |
| 16:21.51 | Amarande | if there is one, anyway |
| 16:22.08 | Codayus | Then again, even that's not proof of much; a lot more people screw around with WoW and then complain on forums than with other games. So... |
| 16:22.10 | Amarande | that's what the burn-in suite DOES, anyway |
| 16:22.18 | Amarande | it puts as much load as it can on each component to see if something breaks |
| 16:23.02 | Amarande | WoW may also be more sensitive to data glitches that other programs, even other games just shrug off, too |
| 16:23.13 | Amarande | For instance, consider failing to read a graphic |
| 16:23.24 | Amarande | GW, for instance would just render a white box of the same size in place of the missing graphic |
| 16:23.28 | Amarande | WoW would CTD with a fatal |
| 16:24.10 | Codayus | Eh... That's something which is (or should be) abstracted by a library or the OS... |
| 16:24.35 | Amarande | Codayus: unless WoW has a specific reason for ensuring data read integrity more tightly than other applications |
| 16:24.39 | Amarande | for instance, anti-cheat security |
| 16:24.57 | Amarande | given how many ways one could cheat if the game didn't strictly hold you to data integrity, I wouldn't be surprised if that is part of it |
| 16:25.06 | Codayus | I can't imagine why... |
| 16:25.10 | Amarande | Hell, say they did do the white box render thing like GW |
| 16:25.34 | Amarande | then all someone would have to do would be 'accidentally' corrupt their MPQ so that stealthed players showed up as said boxes |
| 16:25.49 | Amarande | such problems actually have existed since the dawn of 3D gaming, really |
| 16:26.13 | Amarande | every FPS since Quake has had problems where cheaters would swap in super bright graphics for players so that cloaking powerups/dark areas would be no barrier |
| 16:26.58 | Amarande | the only solution is to aggressively ensure the computer is reading and displaying only that specific data that it should be. :) |
| 16:27.02 | Codayus | There's a few problems with that argument. Not least of which is there's nothing stopping you technically from replacing models in the MPQ right now. (Bliz will ban you, of course, but...) |
| 16:27.35 | Codayus | (Hmm, well, I think so, anyhow.) |
| 16:27.40 | Amarande | But perhaps, since so many are reporting the error ... it might be wise to suggest to Blizzard to at least have some sort of recovery or retry hook when that error happens? |
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| 16:28.26 | Amarande | Players don't mind a display glitch or two. They do mind being thrown offline and missing instance groups/raids, having to postpone group events etc. due to having to reinstall or run the repair tool |
| 16:28.32 | Codayus | Um, not really. The game is going to issue a command to the file system to read something. If it fails, it's a problem with your computer, not the game. |
| 16:28.44 | Codayus | If it doesn't fail...then it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 16:28.54 | Amarande | Maybe it's a driver vendor issue. |
| 16:29.07 | Amarande | However, I'm not sure where anyone is going to get their hands on any sort of newer drivers for say nForce4 boards |
| 16:29.22 | Amarande | I can update the network card driver, the graphics driver, the sound card driver or Windows. |
| 16:29.31 | Amarande | But there has been no new nF4 driver for a year + now. |
| 16:29.45 | Codayus | The problem is way too intermittent and rare to be something that simple I think. LOTS of people use, say, nforce4 boards to play the game and don't have the problem. |
| 16:29.55 | Amarande | Yeah, that's what one of the real problems is |
| 16:30.05 | Codayus | Or don't have the problem until some random minor patch, when then goes away two weeks later. Or whatever. |
| 16:30.19 | Amarande | for everyone who has a particular piece of hardware and has the game epic fail on them, there's others who have the very same piece of hardware and have it work fine |
| 16:31.58 | Amarande | Would changing video cards without reinstalling Windows be an issue, even if one took care to uninstall the old driver first? |
| 16:32.33 | Codayus | In theory: Not at all. In practice: People do it without it being an issue. :-) |
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| 16:33.07 | Amarande | That's another thing. It could indeed be a Windows Update patch breaking something and happening to come at the same time as the patch that supposedly broke stuff. |
| 16:33.19 | foxlit | Hey, even if you didn't uninstall it :) |
| 16:33.45 | Amarande | I wonder if people who didn't update their PCs are getting the problem, come to think of it |
| 16:34.15 | Amarande | (It also gives explanation to multiple people buying brand new PCs without it helping anything) |
| 16:34.21 | Codayus | Almost certainly won't be that. Or not JUST that. Or there's by a squillion more people with the issue. |
| 16:34.43 | Amarande | There's probably a lot more people with the issue, they just haven't posted to the Blizzard boards |
| 16:35.08 | Amarande | Many of them may have already simply voted with their wallets (especially after 2.4.3 not providing a fix) |
| 16:35.16 | Fisker- | ~kiss Codayus |
| 16:35.16 | purl | ACTION forces Codayus to give [dRaCo] a big kiss on the ear |
| 16:35.16 | Codayus | Yeah, but even if you assume there's 500 more for everyone who posts... |
| 16:35.24 | Amarande | especially given how many unhappy people I've seen in trade chat lately due to their friends dumping WoW for Age of Conan lol |
| 16:35.31 | Codayus | And again, the issue has been around periodically forever. |
| 16:35.49 | Amarande | I keep telling them ... isn't an orc warrior barbarianish enough? :D |
| 16:37.16 | Amarande | ok, it's getting to the hard drive based tests. if there's file corruption or disk issues I should be seeing them soon |
| 16:37.20 | Codayus | I ran into it long before TBC once, checked the tech support forum, there were LOTS of people moaning. It went away... |
| 16:37.39 | Amarande | Codayus: how many patches did the error last for that time? |
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| 16:37.58 | Codayus | For me? About a week. |
| 16:38.03 | Codayus | For others, a different amount of time. |
| 16:38.24 | Codayus | (Started with a patch, I think. Went away randomly.) |
| 16:38.41 | Amarande | The only reason I make the perhaps inaccurate assumption it won't be fixed till WOTLK is that if WOTLK comes out this fall or winter according to what seems to be the current thought |
| 16:39.08 | Amarande | there's a good chance that, given the time taken to fix it, test that it's fixed etc., it'll be 3.0.0 then |
| 16:39.24 | Amarande | speaking of which: is the patch on the PTR right now 2.4.4 or 3.0.0? |
| 16:39.24 | Iriel | what fix is this? |
| 16:39.29 | Amarande | Iriel: Error 134 |
| 16:40.03 | Iriel | which flavor thereof? |
| 16:40.08 | Amarande | Failed to read data |
| 16:40.18 | Amarande | Some people get it so often as for the game to be unplayable. Some, such as myself get it intermittently at random |
| 16:40.26 | Amarande | though usually at least once a day or so even in my case |
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| 16:41.30 | Iriel | You know, I had a couple of days where wow would crash intermittently, then every couple of hours. |
| 16:41.40 | Iriel | I ran the repair program and the problem went away |
| 16:41.43 | Codayus | Speaking of weird things, perhaps 12 times since the game launched, I've gone through periods where spell effects persist after the spell is cast. The periods last a week or two. They occured before and after TBC, on different machines, and didn't stop or end when a patch went live. I've come to the conclusion that the game is just really weird. :-/ |
| 16:41.46 | Iriel | Though I suspect you've tried that already |
| 16:42.05 | Amarande | Iriel: in my case, running repair normally fixes it without issue (last night I had to revert to 2.0.0 though) |
| 16:42.14 | Codayus | Does make raiding prettier if blizzard, hellfire, etc persist forever. :-) |
| 16:42.16 | Iriel | (IT didn't report any corrupted files either, I think it was something in the cache) |
| 16:42.51 | Amarande | however, if I DON'T run repair and wait the 10-15 min or so it takes to run (even with an SATA 300 drive), I will be thrown out again right away when reconnecting |
| 16:43.26 | Iriel | Amarande: Have you considered it may be a memory or disk issue on your machine? I know sometimes blizzard's code pushes hardware more than its used to (For example the Nvidia 7900 GT would become unstable under some earlier patches because of a design issue on the card making it overheat) |
| 16:43.36 | Amarande | I'm afraid to run instances half the time. Especially since the main character I'm working on on one server is a tank and the other server is a healer LOL |
| 16:43.56 | Amarande | though I did run BF without serious incident last night (other than the icons for some items not showing up correctly, I'm not sure what was up with that) |
| 16:44.03 | Iriel | Amarande: Do you have any opportunity to play from another machine? |
| 16:44.10 | Amarande | Not really, no |
| 16:44.16 | Amarande | there's another PC in the house, but I don't really get to use it |
| 16:44.28 | Amarande | and yeah, I know about the 7900 GT. Guess how? :) |
| 16:44.39 | Amarande | I actually had to return one of those lemons to Best Buy LOL |
| 16:45.01 | Amarande | I'm currently running the Sandra stress tests on memory, disk and CPU to see if any falter |
| 16:45.37 | Iriel | Amarande: That'd probably be a good idea, or (depending on how much memory you have) remove half of your RAM and try playing (and repeat with the other half then) |
| 16:46.12 | Amarande | 7900GT issues were even worse than WoW though ... in my case at least, 2D apps in Windows crashed pretty often, especially while dragging windows |
| 16:46.32 | Amarande | the ironic thing was that when I had that bad card ... I could run things like 3Dmark or the HL2 Lost Coast stress tests and the card didn't blink ... it was always in 2D that I got crashes |
| 16:46.45 | Iriel | ah, my issues were largely wow specific (polygon artifacts etc) |
| 16:46.56 | Iriel | 3D tho, not 2D |
| 16:47.11 | Amarande | 2D the screen would eventually cover itself with weird artifacts and the system would freeze |
| 16:47.39 | Amarande | I'm lucky I diagnosed that problem in time to be able to return the card to Best Buy, it took me a couple weeks, and I might have been out $329 otherwise |
| 16:48.00 | Amarande | For a long while I swore it was a Windows problem, since I couldn't reproduce it on Linux |
| 16:48.22 | Matrix110| | I finally found out whats causing my bugged rightclick, not being able to cast fireballs etc. it was a old revision of clique (half of the time it worked perfectly the other half not) |
| 16:49.01 | Amarande | hmm, am I going to hate Shattrath if I remove 1G of memory and play with 1G? |
| 16:49.09 | Matrix110| | Yes |
| 16:49.13 | Amarande | also, will Windows start bugging me to reactivate it if I do so? |
| 16:49.17 | Matrix110| | with 1gb you hate wow completly :P |
| 16:49.25 | Matrix110| | no |
| 16:49.36 | Matrix110| | Windows only wants reactiviation with a new Mainboard/CPU |
| 16:49.38 | Matrix110| | afaik |
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| 16:50.55 | Amarande | as long as I don't have to do it more than once during fixing things, anyway |
| 16:51.11 | Amarande | IIRC, if you haven't reactivated in X amount of time you can do it over the Internet again without issue, at least that always seemed to be the case on XP |
| 16:51.29 | Amarande | I heard they wanted to change it for Vista but ended up sticking with the XP system |
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| 16:51.47 | Iriel | The problem I have with the Xp system is that it doesn't account for time |
| 16:52.08 | Amarande | ok, explain this to me |
| 16:52.16 | Amarande | why is it cheaper to buy 2x1GB DDR DIMMs than 2x512? :) |
| 16:52.27 | Iriel | Amarande: supply and demand |
| 16:52.27 | Matrix110| | Because 1GB are more common |
| 16:52.31 | Iriel | Nobody buys memory less than 1GB now |
| 16:52.34 | Amarande | http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=A8N32-SLI%20Deluxe <--- these prices don't make sense at all heh |
| 16:52.37 | Matrix110| | And not buying 2x2GB is stupid :P |
| 16:52.37 | Iriel | so anyone who wants it probably NEEDS it |
| 16:52.40 | Iriel | so will pay more |
| 16:52.48 | Amarande | nor why the matched pair of 512's costs more than two separate 512's |
| 16:52.54 | Iriel | it's cheaper to manufacture what everyone wants, and the volume lowers the margins |
| 16:53.24 | Matrix110| | I coudl cry that I bought 4x1gb instead of 2x2gb :-( |
| 16:53.35 | Matrix110| | And I paid 160€.... now its like 40€ |
| 16:53.35 | Matrix110| | -.- |
| 16:53.44 | Amarande | hmm ... Crucial says I have to install matched pairs on this motherboard, while the mobo manual never said I absolutely had to |
| 16:54.13 | Iriel | I'd be inclined to believe crucial |
| 16:54.23 | Iriel | Mobo manuals sometimes assume you know things like that |
| 16:54.34 | Iriel | though the definition of 'matched' can vary wildly |
| 16:55.17 | Amarande | the question is, would a mismatched pair (in my case, one pair is a single-sided and a double-sided 512, while the other are both double sided) cause this kind of weird random instability? |
| 16:55.20 | Amarande | and possibly data corruption |
| 16:55.43 | Amarande | come to think of it: when I ran Linux for a while a while back (on a different HD, too) I had a .so file corrupt itself mysteriously for no reason I could track down |
| 16:55.43 | Iriel | If they have different timings and speeds then I would suspect so (though i'm not a hardware expert) |
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| 16:55.56 | Matrix110| | Normally its np |
| 16:56.01 | Amarande | and it fixed itself when I reinstalled the appropriate .deb |
| 16:56.04 | Matrix110| | and when it is a problem deactivate dualchannel |
| 16:56.05 | Amarande | I never could figure out what the glitch was |
| 16:56.19 | Amarande | Matrix: board auto-deactivates dualchannel when the DIMMs don't match |
| 16:56.24 | Matrix110| | oh |
| 16:56.30 | Matrix110| | then its np normally |
| 16:56.43 | Iriel | The question is, do the DIMMs CLAIM to match but actually have subtle differences? |
| 16:56.49 | Amarande | question is whether it's worth $75 plus shipping to figure out if matched DIMMs fixes the issue |
| 16:56.52 | Iriel | Can you deactivate dual channel manually? |
| 16:57.35 | Amarande | Not sure ... been a while since I looked in the BIOS |
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| 16:58.42 | Iriel | Well, at least you have a couple of things to try now (testing the ram 1GB at a time, and changing the BIOS to disable dual channel, also make sure it's not trying any silly overclocking tricks) |
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| 16:59.20 | Amarande | the thing that irritates me is I can have to play WoW for an entire evening to test anything |
| 16:59.23 | Amarande | due to the intermittency of the error |
| 17:00.05 | Iriel | Have you run any memory testers long enough to exhibit a failure yet? |
| 17:00.21 | Amarande | heck I figured last night that if I could run around Shattrath for a long while without a failure, it was cured, but apparently it wasn't |
| 17:00.24 | Iriel | Not that they're necessarily going to be able to adequately stimulate the system enough to catch something subtle |
| 17:00.50 | Amarande | Ran the Windows memory tester Friday evening and no error. Sandra's burnin included a memory test which had no errors |
| 17:00.56 | Vangual | prime95 runnign for a few hours/days used to be pretty good at finding obscure timing issues |
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| 17:08.35 | Amarande | hmm, all DIMMs are reporting the same timing, but I get the feeling I'd have to remove all but the one different DIMM to see if it's different? |
| 17:08.53 | Amarande | ahh, here's something |
| 17:09.10 | Amarande | all DIMMs have the same timing at 200MHz but not at 167 or 133. Should that even matter though on a DDR400 rig? |
| 17:09.21 | Amarande | or might something cause the DIMMs to downclock which would reveal timing faults? |
| 17:10.01 | Drundia | Took 4 days to get someone buy that 22-slotter for 1.5k on AH. People are stupid! |
| 17:10.15 | Gnarfoz | dimm's don't clock, the memory controller does. that one likely goes by the data in the SPD EEPROMs on the dimm's, or by random choice. either way: memtest86+ ftw ;p |
| 17:10.16 | Drundia | theory was correct |
| 17:10.18 | Iriel | That's outside the bounds of what I know -- though the timings being different at ANY speed would be (to me) an indication that the DIMMs are not exactly matching. |
| 17:10.31 | Fisker- | lol Drundia |
| 17:10.54 | Fisker- | well i guess he saved his hearthstone |
| 17:10.59 | Fisker- | that's always worth 300g |
| 17:11.00 | Amarande | blast |
| 17:11.06 | Amarande | I can't remember if I have any anti-static bags around :( |
| 17:11.07 | Iriel | perhaps it was someone who doesn't have the expansion? |
| 17:11.13 | Iriel | so can't get to shatt? |
| 17:11.14 | Amarande | where am I gonna put the other DIMMs ... |
| 17:11.25 | Iriel | (It's far more likely it's just someone who doesn't read the patch notes) |
| 17:11.33 | Iriel | (I'm just playing devils' advocate) |
| 17:11.37 | Drundia | and now i see another one there for 1.7k, name is different though |
| 17:11.48 | Amarande | say, speaking of folks without the expansion |
| 17:11.52 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: on a desk. preferably not on carpeted floor. |
| 17:11.57 | Fisker- | If you're not playing the expansion you don't need 22-slotters |
| 17:11.57 | Fisker- | imo :P |
| 17:12.03 | Amarande | would someone without the expansion still be able to get 375 first aid by buying the book and netherweave off AH? |
| 17:12.07 | Drundia | maybe some ah farmers need |
| 17:12.14 | Fisker- | yes Amarande |
| 17:12.17 | Gnarfoz | also, for dual channel, it's enough for the modules to be the same spec, nothing else is needed. ;0 |
| 17:12.22 | Drundia | they need to keep stuff while it's getting expensive |
| 17:12.45 | Amarande | also, I'm assuming that the primal mooncloth bag is essentially a chapter in WoW's history now |
| 17:13.03 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 17:13.09 | Fisker- | primal life skyrocketed on our server |
| 17:13.11 | Amarande | like I've said before to some folks ... in the time it takes even a PMC spec to make 8 primal mooncloth |
| 17:13.22 | Amarande | you could have gotten one or even two Haris Pilton bags with the money from dailies |
| 17:13.25 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: what about generic ram can claim to meet a certain spec but not actually do so reliably. |
| 17:13.43 | Gnarfoz | is this about dual channel not working or ram failing in general? |
| 17:13.51 | Fisker- | getting the 22-slotter is a waste |
| 17:13.54 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: RAM possibly not liking WoW in specific |
| 17:13.55 | Drundia | that 22-slotter is bit too cheap considering 20-slotter prices |
| 17:13.56 | Fisker- | gonna be something in wotlk that's better |
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| 17:14.03 | Drundia | i'd say 2k would make a more fair price |
| 17:14.04 | Iriel | Amarande: Yeah, i'm a tailor and even I wont waste my time on a primal mooncloth bag |
| 17:14.05 | Amarande | or having some sort of obscure fault that only makes itself known in WoW |
| 17:14.19 | Iriel | Wow is abusive, it does a lot |
| 17:14.23 | Iriel | They spent a lot of time optimizing it |
| 17:14.29 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: ram isn't really into being picky ;p |
| 17:14.31 | Iriel | so it tends to be far less forgiving than other apps |
| 17:14.35 | Amarande | Iriel: not to mention I get the feeling I may barely have time to get my priest to 70 and make the PMC set as it is without wasting any on other stuff |
| 17:14.55 | Amarande | she's about ... halfway to 62 now with enough rested xp that she'll hit 63 before feeling normal |
| 17:14.58 | Gnarfoz | http://www.memtest.org/ memtest86+ ftw ;) |
| 17:15.08 | Fisker- | failtest ftl Gnarfoz |
| 17:15.11 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: I was never able to reveal any faults with that |
| 17:15.14 | Fisker- | and i'll have you hanged for it, etc. |
| 17:15.19 | Amarande | unless the memory is JUST failing now |
| 17:15.30 | Amarande | but then the Windows Vista diagnostic should have had errors ... |
| 17:15.36 | Amarande | it might be a strain issue. gonna try removing two DIMMs |
| 17:15.41 | Gnarfoz | we've used that for 3 years reliably, it's better than the stupid hardware testers vendors use ;D |
| 17:15.57 | Amarande | if it does need to be matching DIMMs I may just bite the bullet and buy the 2GB kit from Crucial |
| 17:16.04 | Gnarfoz | also, make sure you're not running with any sort of "compatibility mode" enabled in your bios |
| 17:16.25 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: you don't need those kits for dual channel, just so you know ^^ |
| 17:16.44 | Amarande | hmm, would it even be that much cheaper to buy two separate 1 giggers? |
| 17:16.50 | Gnarfoz | who knows |
| 17:16.54 | Iriel | The advantage of the kit is that the vendor GUARANTEES they work together |
| 17:16.56 | Gnarfoz | just don't get ripped off please ;p |
| 17:17.06 | Fisker- | not exactly Iriel |
| 17:17.08 | Amarande | Crucial's price is 73$ for the guaranteed 2GB matched pair |
| 17:17.14 | Fisker- | they're just sequential in serial numbers |
| 17:17.19 | Gnarfoz | if the vendor does that... he's pretty insane |
| 17:17.25 | Fisker- | i.e. one is 000001 and the other is 000002 |
| 17:17.34 | Gnarfoz | because that's something the board vendor is responsible for, technically ^^ |
| 17:17.45 | Fisker- | So that you know it's from the same batch, etc. |
| 17:17.46 | Iriel | Fisker-: but if they show up and they have subtly different specs, you'd be able to call crucial and say 'oi, replace these' and they almost certainly would |
| 17:18.04 | Gnarfoz | they probably would, yeah, but that case isn't very likley in the first place |
| 17:18.05 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 17:18.08 | Fisker- | yeah but then again crucial fails :) |
| 17:18.10 | Amarande | also, Crucial's site has you enter your motherboard manufacturer and model and tells you compatible RAM |
| 17:18.11 | Iriel | Fisker-: whereas if you just by 2 random DIMM's and they're not identical crucial could say 'so? you dewcided not to buy a matched pair' |
| 17:18.16 | Gnarfoz | also, corsair > * ;> |
| 17:18.19 | Iriel | But knowing crucial, they'd probably replace it anyway |
| 17:18.24 | Iriel | they've always been good people to me |
| 17:18.30 | Amarande | how much does Corsair charge for a 2GB matched pair though? |
| 17:18.54 | Amarande | remember, I need DDR1, so any price break from more common now DDR2 won't help me :S |
| 17:18.56 | Fisker- | Crucial or Corsair have a very bad habbit of sending out very corrupt pairs |
| 17:18.56 | Gnarfoz | hell if I know right now ^^ probably some overpriced US price, I guess ;) |
| 17:19.03 | Fisker- | I think it was corsair |
| 17:19.04 | Gnarfoz | ugh ddr1 :< |
| 17:19.04 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 17:19.14 | Amarande | yeah, well, I also have a 939 CPU |
| 17:19.23 | Amarande | it would cost me at least 500-600$ to go to DDR2 or DDR3 |
| 17:19.27 | Fisker- | almost cheaper to get a new mobo, cpu and ram |
| 17:19.28 | Fisker- | :D |
| 17:19.28 | Amarande | just from the CPU and mobo costs |
| 17:19.36 | Gnarfoz | never had trouble with corsair, YMMV though, as usual. who really buys enough RAM in their lifetime to make such a claim ;p |
| 17:19.52 | Amarande | since I usually expect to pay about 200$ for a reasonably current CPU, and about 150-200$ for a mobo that isn't cheap crap |
| 17:19.54 | Gnarfoz | what kind of prices are those? wtf ^^ |
| 17:19.57 | Fisker- | I went back to valueram because of corsair |
| 17:20.15 | Gnarfoz | valueram is a brand of corsair ram >_< |
| 17:20.28 | Fisker- | Every company have it these days |
| 17:20.30 | Fisker- | i chose kingston |
| 17:20.31 | Fisker- | :o |
| 17:21.01 | Amarande | aright, here goes nothing, I'm probably still going to lose two chips to static since by the time I can feel sure E134 isn't coming back, or get it to recur, I'll have to leave for work and I don't trust my sister not to accidentally touch them :( |
| 17:21.04 | Gnarfoz | fake ram in yuor pc |
| 17:21.23 | Fisker- | no u |
| 17:21.26 | Amarande | say, is it adjacent or alternating slots that pairs normally go in? |
| 17:21.43 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: unless she's gonna rub them through her hair with a woolen sweater on, etc, they'll live... |
| 17:21.45 | Amarande | A8N32-SLI Deluxe board, specifically |
| 17:21.52 | Fisker- | Amarande technically it's alternating |
| 17:21.56 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: depends entirely on board, it's not even the same for each vendor |
| 17:22.01 | Fisker- | it's not? |
| 17:22.05 | Gnarfoz | it's not. |
| 17:22.05 | Iriel | Can you just wrap them in tinfoil? |
| 17:22.06 | Fisker- | been alternating for all of mine :o |
| 17:22.14 | Fisker- | Anyways they usually color the pairs |
| 17:22.16 | Gnarfoz | tinfoil works |
| 17:22.22 | Amarande | ah, they're color coded |
| 17:22.23 | Fisker- | like 1 is orange, 2 is black, 3 is orange, 4 is black |
| 17:22.23 | Gnarfoz | a cardboard box works to ^^ |
| 17:22.23 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 17:22.35 | Amarande | Tin foil is a working anti static solution?! |
| 17:22.38 | Amarande | Why didn't I know this before? |
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| 17:23.03 | Amarande | ok, time to make Shattrath suck |
| 17:23.18 | Amarande | on the good side, less RAM = more load strain = I should be able to trigger E134 more easily by getting on my epic flyer if it's gonna happen |
| 17:23.36 | Iriel | Dont forget to repair your install beforehand |
| 17:23.41 | Iriel | in case it's already corrupted |
| 17:23.53 | Iriel | (plus the cache refresh afterwards == more load) |
| 17:24.44 | Gnarfoz | (just saying. after 3,5years in the tech support departement of an online pc store, the amount of states of distress I've received ram in is... astounding. 90% of it worked regardless, though. the 10% were those that were physically damaged. and all 100% were el-cheapo ram of the worst sort. it's really more robust than they make you think. ^^) |
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| 17:26.29 | Iriel | I remember a game developer (and I forgot who) saying that most of the reported errors they got came down to bad memory or failing hardware. |
| 17:29.28 | Amarande | I wonder if the overheating my system experienced earlier this month may have subtly damaged the RAM, too |
| 17:29.42 | Amarande | the PSU fan failed around the weekend of the Fourth, and the computer seemed to be cooking itself until the 10th when I got the new PSU |
| 17:31.27 | Matrix110| | my PSU fan never spins |
| 17:31.40 | Matrix110| | although the PSU is near explosion |
| 17:31.51 | Matrix110| | but when its getting hotter in the room then it starts spinning |
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| 17:32.30 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965849527&postId=49653433015&sid=1#2 <-a winrar is me |
| 17:33.07 | Hirsute | Okay, need some help here, I'd be happy for any that anyone can give. When a chat frame is removed, GetChatFrameInfo() will still return all the info for that chat frame if the index it had is passed to the function. The only thing that changes is that the 9th value in the returned table (representing whether or not it's docked) gets set to nil. Is there any way for me to tell the... |
| 17:33.09 | Hirsute | ...difference between a frame someone has removed (deleted) and one that just isn't docked to the default chat frame? |
| 17:33.11 | Amarande | With my old PSU ... on July 2 or 3 there was a power outage in the evening |
| 17:33.23 | Amarande | when my sister tried to reboot after the power came back, I got four or five beeps from the mobo |
| 17:33.56 | Amarande | opened the machine, checked to see if everything was seated, turned the machine back on open (I usually do this after changing hardware until I'm sure the machine starts and I don't have to mess with anything else) |
| 17:34.06 | Amarande | and noticed the PSU fan was struggling, bad |
| 17:34.23 | Iriel | What about 'shown' ? |
| 17:34.24 | Amarande | and there was an odd odor from the computer until I replaced the PSU - also the night before I changed said PSU I looked in the BIOS |
| 17:34.31 | Amarande | and it was like ... 80 degrees CPU, 65 degrees mobo |
| 17:34.31 | Iriel | the 7th return? |
| 17:34.38 | Amarande | (normal is about 40s or 50s for both) |
| 17:35.38 | Hirsute | Shown returns nil if the window is not the one you're looking at right now |
| 17:35.43 | Amarande | anyway. now it's really RAM removal time. :) |
| 17:35.49 | Hirsute | So if you're looking at General, shown for the Combat Log returns nil |
| 17:35.57 | Hirsute | Even though the window is there. |
| 17:36.01 | Iriel | Hirsute: Even if it's not docket? |
| 17:36.03 | Iriel | docked |
| 17:37.00 | Iriel | the code to look at is that which shows all of the chat frames on login |
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| 17:37.24 | Iriel | Hirsute: I'm wondering if not (docked or shown) is the answer to your question |
| 17:37.42 | Hirsute | Iriel: You' are a genius |
| 17:37.52 | Hirsute | Thanks |
| 17:39.16 | laeg | Shirik: necb is pretty fucking great bro |
| 17:39.53 | laeg | would be nice if it showed cooldowns for friendlies as well as hostiles though |
| 17:42.29 | Fisker- | btw Gnarfoz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0e-7ZmRI5w |
| 17:42.31 | Fisker- | you're wendy |
| 17:42.34 | Fisker- | i'm stan, etc. |
| 17:42.49 | Fisker- | Shirik is timmy |
| 17:42.50 | Fisker- | imo |
| 17:42.59 | Fisker- | jimmy* |
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| 18:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: added the avahi USE flag to kde-libs |
| 18:13.56 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:14.03 | Shirik | wait wait, before I say anything |
| 18:14.06 | Shirik | I'm gonna go to the logs |
| 18:14.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | The db blocker was gentoo not letting the openldap ebuild update for a month, I had to ~amd64 it |
| 18:14.51 | Shirik | crap, ok, you win |
| 18:14.52 | Shirik | this time |
| 18:14.55 | Shirik | I told you backwards.... |
| 18:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 18:14.57 | Shirik | (17:15:42) (@Shirik) in /etc/make.conf add USE flag -avahi |
| 18:15.16 | Shirik | strangely enough that's the first thing I told you to do |
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| 18:17.46 | Shirik | batrick! |
| 18:17.58 | Shirik | your __tostring fix is eating my stuff |
| 18:23.16 | Shirik | what is the cap in wotlk? |
| 18:23.28 | amro | 77 |
| 18:23.34 | Shirik | that's an odd number |
| 18:23.39 | amro | yeah |
| 18:23.44 | Shirik | and I don't mean it's not divisible by 2 |
| 18:23.51 | amro | lol |
| 18:23.58 | amro | maybe there's a locked zone that starts at 77 |
| 18:24.00 | Hirsute | Really, it isn't 80? |
| 18:24.13 | amro | its capped to 77 for now, in beta |
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| 18:25.00 | Amarande | ok, about to go fly about Shattrath |
| 18:25.02 | Amarande | one thing though |
| 18:25.06 | Amarande | anyone here use ArkInventory much? |
| 18:26.09 | Amarande | I'm a bit curious as to why sometimes it keeps forgetting the type of one or two bags |
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| 18:30.44 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:30.51 | Amarande | how long should I give it before assuming things are now ok |
| 18:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | My friend has gone two days without an issue |
| 18:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | "It varies" |
| 18:32.56 | Amarande | Scythe: did the matching RAM pairs thing turn out to be it? |
| 18:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Last I checked he wasn't playing with his RAM, so no idea |
| 18:34.58 | Amarande | I noticed the Crucial stick was covered in dust near where it sockets in, though |
| 18:35.04 | Amarande | right now running with two of the Kingstons |
| 18:35.09 | Amarande | in dual channel this time |
| 18:52.21 | Ackis | I'm after a regexp that will let me get xx,xxx or xxx where x are numbers with any sort of text around them... right now I have (%d*,%d*) however that only works with xx,xxx and provides nil with xxx |
| 18:54.40 | Cide | regexp or lua pattern? |
| 18:54.55 | Ackis | lua pattern I guess is the proper term |
| 18:55.00 | Ackis | pattern matching in lua |
| 18:55.19 | Cide | that's not regexp |
| 18:55.33 | Cide | so you'll need two patterns most likely |
| 18:55.49 | Ackis | (%d*,%d*) and (%d*) then? |
| 18:55.55 | Amarande | hmm, the icon for one of my items stopped showing in the character screen |
| 18:55.55 | Cide | * doesn't work |
| 18:55.59 | Amarande | looks like I might be about to get E134 |
| 18:56.07 | Amarande | the next step to totally replace the RAM, or is that unlikely to help? |
| 18:56.17 | Cide | you'd want %d+,%d+ and %d+ |
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| 18:56.54 | Ackis | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_Regular_Expressions * is mentioned there which is why I was trying it |
| 18:58.21 | Shirik|AFK | That article really needs to be renamed |
| 18:58.26 | Shirik|AFK | Lua patterns are not regular expressions |
| 18:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:59.39 | Ackis | it does mention: Though since Lua doesn't implement regexes, at all, but rather "patterns", this can confuse more than it helps. Better refer to the official Lua documentation (which never mentions "regular expressions"). |
| 18:59.47 | Ackis | but that's why I was using regexp for patterns /shrug |
| 19:00.16 | Shirik|AFK | see the problem is, though, Lua libraries exist to implement PCRE |
| 19:00.31 | Shirik|AFK | so talking about regular expressions can cause a LOT of confusion |
| 19:00.38 | Shirik|AFK | LPEG > PCRE though |
| 19:00.44 | Shirik|AFK | LPEG is actually kinda amazing tbh... |
| 19:01.38 | wereHamster | LPEG, is that the new thing that was announced on this luaconf? |
| 19:02.07 | Gnarfoz | looking for someone with WoW FontString experience... >_> why can't I make a font larger than 24pt? is ther any way to scale it beyond that that I'm missing? |
| 19:02.41 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: which font files are you using? the shipped .ttf? |
| 19:02.57 | Gnarfoz | no, some other one, is that relevant? |
| 19:03.07 | Ackis | cide: what's the best way to combine those two patterns? local _,_,temp = string.find(foo, patternmatch1) or string.find(foo, patternmatch2) ? |
| 19:03.14 | wereHamster | I don't know, but might be worth trying different fonts |
| 19:03.28 | Gnarfoz | hrm |
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| 19:19.22 | Amarande | hey, when did Bartender4 come out? :) |
| 19:19.29 | Amarande | and does cyCircled still work with it? |
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| 19:25.00 | Gnarfoz | cyCircled has been phased out, so to speak ;) |
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| 19:29.42 | Ackis | I have surpased a new level of nerdiness |
| 19:30.03 | wereHamster | explain, please |
| 19:30.18 | Amarande | heh, you're talking to someone who still uses EQCompare, soo ... heh |
| 19:30.28 | Amarande | then again, are the replacements for EQCompare Ace? |
| 19:30.36 | Amarande | and when did XPerl become Ace? I could swear it used to not be |
| 19:31.05 | Ackis | In my quest to learn new stuff (aka lua suocket stuff) I decided to write something that parses the 3 release sites and gives me the download totals lol |
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| 19:33.41 | Garoun|Loupana | the eqcompare replacement is tekKompare |
| 19:33.45 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 19:33.47 | Garoun|Loupana | Hiya Cair |
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| 19:34.03 | Xuerian | Also, <3 cair for betaness. |
| 19:34.24 | Garoun|Loupana | did you ever doubt WoWI's ability ;) |
| 19:34.35 | Xuerian | Nope :P |
| 19:34.48 | Garoun|Loupana | Definately looks like Blizz is trying to 'expediate' the testing process this time around |
| 19:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think so, actually |
| 19:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Rather I think that due to the excessive leaks and misinformation they just decided to label it as "beta" and keep on working |
| 19:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm betting on a rather looooong beta phase |
| 19:35.38 | Garoun|Loupana | not saying the release date is going to come sooner |
| 19:36.08 | Garoun|Loupana | just that they are trying to get as much interest going as they can since things couldn't be kept under wraps |
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| 19:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost exactly, yeah |
| 19:36.34 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no point keeping it locked under alpha and NDA when people are actively datamining the client already |
| 19:37.12 | Shirik | I'll datamine your face |
| 19:37.18 | kd3 | which was a colossally stupid move distributing it via the regular downloader |
| 19:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 19:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That it was |
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| 19:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | They should really add some authentication to the downloader |
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| 19:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Alpha is small enough to build their own PKI and log all access to it |
| 19:38.37 | Garoun|Loupana | but if you really think about it, with the size of WoW... does it really matter |
| 19:38.40 | Xuerian | Assuming it was really important that it stay secret, yeah, mistake. But what's the big deal? Aside from having do deal with people asking about it, which can be averted with a little moderation and obvious rules.. |
| 19:38.59 | Garoun|Loupana | whether you give people 'beta content' or you just let them go off leaked info |
| 19:38.59 | Xuerian | Gives people more time to adapt and discuss, and even more time for feedback to the devs |
| 19:39.02 | Garoun|Loupana | the outcome is the same... a bunch of annoyed people |
| 19:39.07 | kd3 | a lot of the talking I saw on above-board and below-board sites was based on horribly wrong information |
| 19:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: the big deal is that for every 'private' talent point in any one version, someone will take that version and stick with it for months |
| 19:39.10 | Garoun|Loupana | that make rampant speculation |
| 19:39.21 | kd3 | even on ej |
| 19:39.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It's more a matter of controlling misinformation due to a lack of communication with the playerbase |
| 19:39.45 | Tenchworks | anyone here an admin or such from WoW interface? |
| 19:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | What kd3 said |
| 19:40.01 | Garoun|Loupana | this way they can judge reaction to the information without actually requesting input |
| 19:40.03 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: Which with the size of communities dedicated to FINDING this info, wouldn't it lend itself towards a more transparent development cycle? |
| 19:40.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Tenchworks: there are several online now |
| 19:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: sorry, to be clear, "it" = ? |
| 19:40.25 | Xuerian | wotlk |
| 19:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh I see what you're saying now |
| 19:41.08 | Amarande | agh, this may cost me even more money |
| 19:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem with making it 100% transparent from the start is two-fold: one, their high standards of quality, and two, the fact that it changes more rapidly than most any site can keep up with |
| 19:41.19 | Xuerian | Not saying 100%, really |
| 19:41.25 | Amarande | in addition to the fact that if E134 does stay away now, it means I'm going to want to buy two new sticks of RAM since I don't want to be stuck with 1GB |
| 19:41.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Once they have it to an acceptable state, then sure, make it much more transparent (which they just did) |
| 19:41.40 | Amarande | it keeps seeming like I should get a widescreen monitor for best UI moddage |
| 19:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: widescreen is epic and win |
| 19:41.52 | Amarande | read: Ama keeps running out of room on the screen :S |
| 19:42.01 | kd3 | <3 1440x900 mode |
| 19:42.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <3 indeed |
| 19:42.07 | Xuerian | Amarande: Use Clique and Spellbinder |
| 19:42.15 | Xuerian | Watch your realestate reappear |
| 19:42.26 | Duman | Clique++ |
| 19:42.49 | Xuerian | Not to mention decent raid mods that don't take up half your screen |
| 19:42.51 | Tenchworks | I'm getting a login prompt from what i assume is one of the ad servers, last time I reported it I didn't take a screen cap and was unable to provide info they needed to figure out which ad server was prompting it |
| 19:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: you have a point, but keep in mind that those communitities seeking the information regardless of NDA are both part of the problem and part of the solution |
| 19:42.58 | Duman | 2560x1600 ftw ;) |
| 19:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: Dolby: Shirik: ping, see: Tenchworks's comment above |
| 19:43.36 | Shirik | Tenchworks, from an ad? |
| 19:43.37 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: I agree. I was suggesting almost more that what they've done is the best thing to do, imo (In a perverse way, arguing to agree with the prevailing sentiment) |
| 19:43.45 | Shirik | i.e., you're getting it randomly? |
| 19:44.04 | Tenchworks | I took a sacreen capp I'm posting it on photobucket now so I can get you link, give me a sec |
| 19:44.11 | Tenchworks | and yes getting it randomly |
| 19:44.11 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: hehe, yeah |
| 19:45.32 | Tenchworks | Shirik: here's a linky http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t317/tenchworks/WoWI_login_prompt.jpg |
| 19:47.11 | Shirik | if you see it again |
| 19:47.17 | Shirik | ... nm |
| 19:47.18 | Tenchworks | this is like the fourth time it's come up this month, no clue as to why. |
| 19:47.20 | Shirik | ignore me :) |
| 19:47.26 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder how many people's WoW problems may be caused by the P2P system Blizzard uses for patching |
| 19:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: uh? |
| 19:47.37 | Amarande | it has occurred to me that P2P is a good way to get a bad copy of a file. :) |
| 19:47.38 | foxlit | Amarande: none |
| 19:47.45 | foxlit | No, it isn't |
| 19:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: no |
| 19:47.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: the patches are checksummed every X kilobytes |
| 19:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: you cannot possibly download a corrupt patch |
| 19:48.08 | foxlit | P2P is a very good way to get a good copy of a file - much more so than HTTP |
| 19:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 19:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | The system that they're using if infinitely more secure in terms of file integrity than most anything out there, never mind the amazing resume support and now their added HTTP sliced mirroring |
| 19:49.43 | laeg | for a sub spec rogue that has a dagger for stealth and doesn't use backstab is there any reason to take swords over maces etc? |
| 19:49.46 | foxlit | Suppose you were really evil and had some serious computing muscle behind you - you could probably fake a single hashed block |
| 19:49.53 | laeg | in arena |
| 19:50.01 | Amarande | Ahh. I started to wonder if maybe one of the reasons people are getting issues was that perhaps someone got a bad copy of the patch, and then others ended up downloading the bad part off someone and so on |
| 19:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: no, patches are broken up into chunks, usually less than a megabyte in size, and sent in those chunks. Both the individual chunks and the complete file are all checksummed |
| 19:51.17 | Amarande | It looks as if my issues may have been RAM based, though |
| 19:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It is fantastically hard to break the system they're using (in terms of integrity) |
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| 19:51.25 | foxlit | BT doesn't provision for complete file hashes, though |
| 19:51.31 | foxlit | Does their installer? |
| 19:51.31 | Amarande | so it's probably not the patches :) |
| 19:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: it doesn't? I thought it did |
| 19:53.32 | foxlit | I think it only hashes individual chunks |
| 19:57.47 | foxlit | Patchers are also digitally signed |
| 19:57.56 | foxlit | I think that'd be the first thing to go if you were to get a corrupt file |
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| 19:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Vist automatically checks the signature, I'm not sure about XP |
| 19:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | *Vista |
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| 19:59.41 | Amarande | "Although relatively rare, some type of memory errors can be very hard to positively pin down." -- Newegg review of one type of memory |
| 19:59.46 | wereHamster | I wish blizzard would provide the raw torrent files and not require someone to extract it everytime a new patcher is released |
| 19:59.46 | Amarande | Are they right, or are they right :| |
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| 20:00.01 | Fisker- | btw Kody- you here? |
| 20:00.07 | Slix|sad | So I'm using the Dominos addon.. |
| 20:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: I'd be happy if they let you set an upload cap speed |
| 20:00.15 | Slix|sad | But I just realized that my exp bar is nowhere to be found.. |
| 20:00.56 | Slix|sad | Which, is problematic |
| 20:01.39 | Shirik | Amarande: this is true; even memory testers get confused some times |
| 20:01.49 | Shirik | in fact, MemTest doesn't do much in its default configuration |
| 20:01.55 | Shirik | its most stressful test takes about 12 hours to do |
| 20:02.04 | Slix|sad | o_o;; |
| 20:02.08 | Shirik | and that test is very simple |
| 20:02.26 | Shirik | write a checkerboard pattern to every bit of memory, wait 6 hours, test to ensure it's the same |
| 20:02.36 | Shirik | then invert all the bits, wait 6 hours, test to ensure it's the same again |
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| 20:03.46 | kd3 | ick. no beta mods on wowi yet? |
| 20:03.47 | Slix|sad | So.. |
| 20:03.47 | Slix|sad | Anyone know what i should do? |
| 20:04.39 | Amarande | I guess I'm going to run memtest while I'm at work. :) |
| 20:04.42 | Xuerian | Slix|sad: Find another xp bar addon, or make sure you have the xp component of dominoes shown. Make sure you have checked the options, etc |
| 20:04.55 | Amarande | Keeps my sister from complaining that I uninstalled WoW and haven't got to reinstall it yet either LOL |
| 20:04.59 | wereHamster | Shirik: I think the chances for bits to be changed are higher if the system reads or writes to the memory. So memtest should write to adjacent memory cells instead of just waiting 6 hours. |
| 20:05.19 | Shirik | wereHamster: That is only one scenario |
| 20:05.20 | Slix|sad | Xuerian: Searched, no xp bar addons, not good ones anyway, and there is no xp component of dominos |
| 20:05.27 | Shirik | MemTest has a VERY good reason to run that test |
| 20:05.41 | Amarande | now, if I *don't* get E134 again by Tuesday I guess I'm going to be ordering a new set of RAM, since again I don't like the idea of being stuck on 1GB |
| 20:05.42 | Shirik | yes, you're right, it's possible for crosstalk to manipulate adjacent bits |
| 20:05.51 | Shirik | It's also very possible for DRAM to not be refreshed properly |
| 20:05.54 | Xuerian | Slix|sad: From Domino's page: ...and will probably not end up with the following: -An experience bar |
| 20:05.58 | Amarande | and it's obvious then that the pairs thing was the issue (that or either the Crucial or the not currently installed Kingston DIMM is bad) |
| 20:06.05 | Shirik | they're two completely different problems, and they both have their own tests |
| 20:06.08 | Slix|sad | Yes, but then why does it hide the experience bar? x_x;; |
| 20:06.16 | Slix|sad | Now I can't see my exp at all |
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| 20:06.18 | wereHamster | and then there's cosmic rays, which is a much underestimated source of flipped bits |
| 20:06.19 | Amarande | anyway, off to run memtest and get ready for work. |
| 20:06.24 | Xuerian | Slix|sad: XPBarNone, any modern unitframe addon, fubar and fuxpfu, etc... |
| 20:06.31 | Shirik | wereHamster: But you would need a butterfly to do that |
| 20:06.34 | Amarande | wereHamster: so error 134 is fixed then by having TEMPEST shielding in your room? LOL |
| 20:06.36 | Xuerian | Slix|sad: Because the built-in xp bar is attahed to the ationbar |
| 20:06.46 | Slix|sad | Ahh |
| 20:06.46 | wereHamster | Shirik: no, there's an emacs command for that :P |
| 20:06.53 | Shirik | touche |
| 20:07.28 | Slix|sad | So with x-perl unitframes have an exp bar? |
| 20:08.11 | Xuerian | alright"Any" may have been gracious |
| 20:08.15 | Xuerian | Duno if x-perl hasone |
| 20:08.20 | Xuerian | (f'ing spacebar) |
| 20:08.58 | Slix|sad | Hmm |
| 20:09.43 | Slix|sad | From the screenshot on the fubar one, it doesn't seem to be very visual.. |
| 20:10.22 | Slix|sad | XPBarNone turns up no search results on curse. |
| 20:11.17 | Xuerian | wowi |
| 20:12.01 | Slix|sad | Ooo |
| 20:12.04 | Slix|sad | Thanks |
| 20:12.46 | Slix|sad | I usually use curse cause of their autoupdater x_x;; |
| 20:13.16 | Slix|sad | Anyway, thnaks :) |
| 20:13.36 | Xuerian | it shouldn't need much upating at all |
| 20:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: two things! One, are you sending in the first batch tomorrow or on the 28th? |
| 20:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | (If you have a moment) |
| 20:25.06 | Cairenn | 28th |
| 20:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that's what I thought you said earlier |
| 20:25.37 | Cairenn | second? |
| 20:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, I just found the last PM I sent you... and I honestly don't even remember asking that. Gogo Ambien and short term memory loss. Sorry. ;) |
| 20:26.46 | Cairenn | lol, I don't remember it either, and it isn't in my inbox, so refresh my memory, if it's something we need to sort out still? |
| 20:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 20:27.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It was me asking a question covered in your post >_> |
| 20:27.08 | Cairenn | oh, okay |
| 20:29.57 | Tenchworks | how would I go about finding what frame your mouse is over? |
| 20:30.05 | amro | ~devtools |
| 20:30.06 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 20:30.12 | amro | Tenchworks: use that :) |
| 20:30.16 | Tenchworks | ty |
| 20:30.33 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Also works in some, but not all circumstances |
| 20:30.58 | kd3 | anyone know if devtools works in the beta? |
| 20:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: it should |
| 20:31.45 | Iriel | It needs a minor change |
| 20:31.50 | Iriel | to fix the slash command difference |
| 20:32.07 | Iriel | just stick a dummy parameter before 'msg' in the function definitions for the slash command handlers |
| 20:32.13 | cladhaire | and Iriel needs to add support for AddonLoader P:P |
| 20:32.21 | cladhaire | so it can be LoD when AL is around |
| 20:32.59 | Adys | eh |
| 20:33.05 | Adys | did blizzard remove trim() in wotlk? |
| 20:33.33 | cladhaire | not according to my patchdiff |
| 20:33.49 | cladhaire | but its strtrim |
| 20:33.50 | cladhaire | not trim |
| 20:33.51 | cladhaire | "strtrim", -- [1755] |
| 20:34.01 | Iriel | Also, you may be having issues due to the new slash command signature |
| 20:34.13 | Iriel | lots of people who did <string>:trim etc are finding wierd messages about nil functions |
| 20:34.21 | Adys | Yeah |
| 20:34.24 | Iriel | but it's because the arg is now the edit box that the command was entered into |
| 20:34.41 | Iriel | so it's functionName(editBox, msg) rather than functionName(msg) |
| 20:35.10 | Drundia | omg evil |
| 20:35.11 | Adys | hrm |
| 20:35.26 | Drundia | that will break all the remaining hacks... |
| 20:36.01 | Iriel | I kinda wish they'd put the edit box 2nd, but ah well |
| 20:36.11 | Iriel | It kind of forces folks to make sure their addons work in 3.0 |
| 20:36.14 | Iriel | so perhaps it's for the best |
| 20:39.20 | foxlit | It's ## Interface: 30000 a hard incompatibility? |
| 20:39.46 | nevcairiel | in the 2.4 client? not sure |
| 20:39.52 | kd3 | not like 20000 was. I loaded old mods fine, they just crashed and burned |
| 20:39.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:40.09 | nevcairiel | they should make it not load them at all |
| 20:40.12 | nevcairiel | would be so much smoother |
| 20:40.28 | foxlit | no, the 2.4 toc in the beta client |
| 20:40.31 | Cide | ya, but it serrves a lesson |
| 20:40.35 | Cide | serves too |
| 20:40.46 | Cide | "Load outdated addons" is ftl |
| 20:41.03 | kd3 | anything greater than 20000'll load right now in beta. that'll probably change before release though |
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| 20:41.25 | Iriel | it's not yet |
| 20:41.28 | Iriel | but It may well become one |
| 20:41.34 | Iriel | I think it should be, personally |
| 20:41.41 | nevcairiel | I think we all agree |
| 20:41.43 | Cide | me too |
| 20:41.47 | Beladona | nevcairiel: are you in the beta? |
| 20:41.53 | nevcairiel | not yet |
| 20:41.54 | nevcairiel | sadly |
| 20:41.55 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:41.56 | Beladona | darn |
| 20:42.22 | nevcairiel | plus i'm EU, we couldnt even unlock our accounts yet |
| 20:42.25 | nevcairiel | even if i had a key |
| 20:42.33 | Beladona | I am working on some tweaks to SpartanUI and need to mess with Bartender4 to make it work, but didn't want to go too far if you already were |
| 20:42.46 | Beladona | I can send you any possible changes to it if you like |
| 20:42.51 | Beladona | its only compatibility stuff |
| 20:43.03 | nevcairiel | Didnt they rip out the full state header? |
| 20:43.06 | Beladona | yup |
| 20:43.20 | nevcairiel | I wasnt really planning to port BT4, though |
| 20:43.29 | Industrial | is there any formula for when mp5 is better then +heal? I dont know when to go for mp5 :P |
| 20:43.30 | Beladona | just a rewrite? |
| 20:43.41 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if zoot and yoshi have been avoiding us for a reason now |
| 20:43.46 | nevcairiel | maybe a quick fix for beta players to use until i get my new plans in motion |
| 20:43.47 | Beladona | Industrial it depends on what class you are |
| 20:43.52 | Industrial | Beladona: sham |
| 20:44.04 | Beladona | anything over 2k heal I would weight MP5 more |
| 20:44.12 | Beladona | although that will chagne |
| 20:44.16 | Beladona | change* |
| 20:44.29 | nevcairiel | Beladona: well i can probably do some stuff more easily now that i've been avoiding to do before because the states wouldve gotten so ugly :) |
| 20:44.42 | Industrial | ok well I have 1114 healing lol :P |
| 20:44.56 | Beladona | yeah i figured nev. Hopefully you get your invite soon =P |
| 20:45.11 | nevcairiel | Well whenever WoWI sends me one :) |
| 20:45.39 | nevcairiel | But its probably a good idea to patch up BT4 for the beta testers |
| 20:45.45 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:45.51 | nevcairiel | is it a lot to change to get basic shape shifting etc working again? |
| 20:45.55 | nevcairiel | I didnt really check yet, tbh |
| 20:46.10 | Beladona | I haven't gotten that deep, but it should be easy to replicate the existing action bars |
| 20:46.17 | Beladona | will let you know |
| 20:46.30 | nevcairiel | I'll probably do some reading of the new code |
| 20:46.42 | Beladona | would help if I uploaded the changes |
| 20:46.43 | nevcairiel | shouldnt be too hard, i guess |
| 20:47.00 | nevcairiel | I saw some example alestane posted on the UI forums |
| 20:47.05 | nevcairiel | looked pretty straight forward |
| 20:48.28 | nevcairiel | afterall, i only use statemap-state = $input on a macro-syntax state driver |
| 20:48.34 | nevcairiel | so that should be real easy to rebuild :) |
| 20:49.48 | nevcairiel | I could just bug Iriel about it .. but i'll wait with that until i get access to the beta ;) |
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| 20:52.04 | Iriel | Please do bug me if you find things it can't do but should be able to do 8-) |
| 20:53.45 | Iriel | Also, since this is the first beta build note that none of us have had a chance to tinker with it yet so there may be 'quirks' in the new code 8-) |
| 20:54.51 | nevcairiel | Oh thats fine. I'll be sure to test its possibilities |
| 20:55.30 | Industrial | What do you guys do with greens and blues? |
| 20:55.39 | Industrial | I have about 300 greens and blues ready to be put on the ah |
| 20:55.43 | Industrial | but auctioneer doesnt know the prices |
| 20:55.46 | nevcairiel | disenchant |
| 20:55.49 | Industrial | im waaaaay to lazy to put it up myself |
| 20:55.57 | Industrial | yeah but its all high levela nd its a L1 toon |
| 20:56.11 | Industrial | you used to be able to disenchant anything but not anymore it seems |
| 20:56.11 | nevcairiel | get some enchanter to disenchant it for you |
| 20:56.33 | Industrial | hm good idea |
| 20:57.06 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202381823&sid=2003#13 <-he fails at making death knights |
| 21:01.37 | Beladona | nevcairiel: http://wowcompares.com/3018634 |
| 21:02.04 | nevcairiel | oh, yeah i already had a dump of those from clad |
| 21:02.15 | nevcairiel | the new secure stuff needs some more docs though |
| 21:02.29 | Beladona | submit some! |
| 21:02.29 | Iriel | It needs some verification too 8-) |
| 21:02.33 | Beladona | once you get in that is |
| 21:02.39 | Iriel | I have some written, but I want tomake sure it all works firs |
| 21:02.41 | Iriel | +t |
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| 21:02.52 | Xuerian | dubya tee eff? FrameXML/SparkleFrame.lua 01] -- YAY FOR SPARKLES~! |
| 21:03.04 | Tenchworks | anyone know if changes made to files/files added-removed in the WTF folder while logged in will take affect after a reload/relog? or do I still have to close and re-open the game? |
| 21:03.44 | Beladona | it will write what is in memory after reloadui / logout |
| 21:03.46 | nevcairiel | Iriel: can i save data in the restricted environment, like build my own state stack? That wasnt exactly clear to me.. :) |
| 21:03.56 | Beladona | so chances are it could overwrite what you modified |
| 21:04.05 | Industrial | nevcairiel: lol people arent even doing it for 10g |
| 21:04.11 | Industrial | nevcairiel: whats wrong with them :O |
| 21:04.17 | nevcairiel | haha Industrial |
| 21:04.21 | nevcairiel | dont know some enchanter? |
| 21:04.42 | Iriel | nevcairiel: The code from the attributes runs with the restricted environment as its global environment |
| 21:04.50 | Tenchworks | if I save the changes after droping back to the character select screen, will it take the changes then? |
| 21:04.51 | nevcairiel | Ah |
| 21:04.55 | nevcairiel | so i can just create globals |
| 21:04.56 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 21:04.57 | Iriel | nevcairiel: it replaces state and the state stack |
| 21:04.59 | Iriel | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 21:05.10 | Industrial | nevcairiel: nop |
| 21:05.34 | Xuerian | Tenchworks: If you edit and save while logged out, you should be able to log back in and see the changes. However, newly added files are not detected |
| 21:06.04 | Iriel | Changes to the # TOC lines are also not re-read until client exit / restart |
| 21:06.13 | Fisker- | omg |
| 21:06.20 | Iriel | but adding/removing files from the TOC is ok (as long as the files always existed to begin with) |
| 21:06.35 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965929432&sid=1#9 <-What a waste of time that was to answer his question |
| 21:06.53 | Tenchworks | I know that rule for the addon directory, but does it apply for changes to the WTF directory? |
| 21:07.17 | Iriel | Tenchworks: I'm not sure, to be honest |
| 21:07.42 | Tenchworks | well I guess there's one way to find out then |
| 21:07.56 | Xuerian | Tenchworks: I believe the entire relevant wow file hierarchy is read and cached at startup |
| 21:08.02 | Tenchworks | I'll give ya an answer on if it does or doesn't work in a few mins |
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| 21:12.35 | Tenchworks | ok changes made to files in the WTF folder while sitting at the character select screen will partially take affect when loading back onto your toon |
| 21:13.42 | Tenchworks | looks like changes and adding files that the Blizz ui uses for stuff like chat setting and layout take affect but addons themselves will not get thier saved variables updated |
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| 21:25.43 | Sixen | Fisker, do you know Achez from the EU PTR Forums? |
| 21:27.00 | Fisker- | nope |
| 21:28.03 | Sixen | Okey |
| 21:28.28 | Fisker- | my glare is piercing your skin |
| 21:30.41 | Fisker- | then i'll just capture you in a net |
| 21:31.52 | Adys | can lua_bot be messaged? |
| 21:31.57 | batrick | yes |
| 21:32.01 | batrick | Shirik: what? |
| 21:32.07 | Shirik | batrick: hi |
| 21:32.12 | Shirik | this is annoying |
| 21:32.14 | Shirik | --> return; |
| 21:32.20 | batbot | Shirik: @ maximum execution time/memory exceeded |
| 21:32.59 | Fisker- | i hate sanitized bots |
| 21:33.04 | Fisker- | can't do fun stuff with them |
| 21:33.31 | batrick | ya i took something I out I shouldn't have |
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| 21:34.24 | batrick | !lua return |
| 21:39.34 | Industrial | nevcairiel: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e3505f344d396bdbba8f25af37ce9bb4.jpg |
| 21:39.54 | Industrial | I think ill save the mats for on my main or something :O |
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| 21:41.12 | Industrial | ironically i was checking the mail periodically while the person was disenchanting |
| 21:41.22 | Industrial | i gave 5g per 16 items |
| 21:41.30 | Industrial | but i have more moeny now from the mailbox then that i spent |
| 21:41.32 | Industrial | :D |
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| 21:52.22 | Cide | lua> 226*10 / 60 |
| 21:52.22 | lua_bot | Cide: 37.666666666667 |
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| 22:05.16 | Wraanger | heya |
| 22:06.55 | Cairenn | Matrix110|: are you maytrix on WoWI? |
| 22:12.09 | Drundia | hmmm "Nature+Shadow" |
| 22:13.00 | Maldivia | someone doing a certain boss - or just annoyed that you hadn't thought of that in your addon ? |
| 22:13.24 | Corrodias | nature and shadow. yeah THOSE almost go together... |
| 22:13.39 | Drundia | reconut spams errors |
| 22:13.42 | Drundia | recount |
| 22:13.54 | Drundia | for sunblade protectors |
| 22:14.07 | Drundia | so they actually made multi-school stuff |
| 22:14.11 | Maldivia | Corrodias: they do - a lot of things in nature casts shadows :) |
| 22:15.42 | Drundia | does it work as in frostfire bolt description? hits in whatever school is more vulnerable to? |
| 22:16.24 | Xuerian | Off topic... imagebanana.com? coming up short on names, are we.... |
| 22:18.08 | Maldivia | Xuerian: there are sites with worse names :) |
| 22:18.19 | Xuerian | Oh, I'm sure. |
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| 22:34.39 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 22:34.57 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 22:35.06 | Xuerian | Purl, are you ok? |
| 22:35.08 | malreth | was it something i said? |
| 22:35.20 | Xuerian | Purl: Hello? |
| 22:35.20 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 22:35.31 | Xuerian | Good, she's not dead yet >.> |
| 22:35.36 | Xuerian | ~botsnack |
| 22:35.36 | purl | thanks, Xuerian |
| 22:35.37 | [dRaCo] | purl, who? |
| 22:35.59 | malreth | ~seen lunessa |
| 22:36.03 | purl | lunessa <n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 37m 32s ago, saying: 'Oh and on that note, time to jet. Date for a baseball game. Later.'. |
| 22:36.16 | [dRaCo] | what? now 'she' queried me o0 |
| 22:36.46 | [dRaCo] | purl, cake? |
| 22:36.47 | purl | the cake is a lie! |
| 22:36.52 | [dRaCo] | figured. |
| 22:37.01 | Anaral | purl, pie? |
| 22:37.01 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 22:37.05 | Anaral | LOL |
| 22:37.53 | malreth | my eyes are bleeding from 6 hours of pug pvp |
| 22:38.31 | nevcairiel | Why do you inflict such horror on yourself |
| 22:39.05 | Xuerian | Is there another way to do it? >_> |
| 22:39.46 | malreth | i got the staff i wanted... now to work on getting a necklace |
| 22:40.03 | malreth | normally, silver hand has a few premades rolling... but not today |
| 22:40.26 | Xuerian | Ah... My current main is on a low-pop |
| 22:40.45 | Corrodias | SO DA POP |
| 22:41.08 | Corrodias | malreth: why do you want the items? are they for PvE use? |
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| 22:41.21 | malreth | Corrodias: yes |
| 22:41.39 | malreth | an unfortunate side effect of my hiatus several months back |
| 22:41.55 | malreth | is that our guild alliance no longer goes to T4 instances |
| 22:42.30 | malreth | so i'm out of the progression loop |
| 22:42.44 | Corrodias | i couldn't take doing things i hated so i could get to do things i only slightly enjoyed |
| 22:42.56 | Corrodias | you have a stronger constitution than i |
| 22:48.19 | malreth | i might go for the merciless gladiator shoulders, too... |
| 22:48.32 | malreth | depends on if our theta team can get any progression through SSC |
| 22:48.53 | Tuller | you know, I'm considering invoking murphy's law to net a beta invite quicker :P |
| 22:49.01 | Tuller | step 1: purchase a shiny new 360 |
| 22:49.06 | malreth | hah |
| 22:49.21 | Corrodias | i'd like to know how that would work |
| 22:50.03 | malreth | by limiting the amount of his free time, he's sure to be in the first batch of beta testers |
| 22:50.04 | Tuller | true |
| 22:50.08 | Tuller | its either that, or temporarily waste $350 |
| 22:50.11 | malreth | i'm skipping the beta invite |
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| 22:50.27 | malreth | i've got a wedding in just a few weeks |
| 22:51.13 | Tuller | fun |
| 22:51.52 | Xuerian | malreth: Wedding > wow? lies |
| 22:52.04 | Tuller | honeymoon > wow |
| 22:52.11 | malreth | no honeymoon |
| 22:52.20 | malreth | we're out of money paying for this damn thing |
| 22:52.28 | Tuller | then cake > wow, obviously :P |
| 22:52.35 | Xuerian | oom. |
| 22:52.39 | malreth | the cake will be moist and delicious |
| 22:53.06 | Xuerian | And a lie. |
| 22:53.27 | Tuller | I've got probably two or three weddings to go through, at some point my gf will catch the fever I fear |
| 22:55.16 | malreth | what's wrong... afraid of being committed to her? |
| 22:55.24 | malreth | ^______________^ |
| 22:55.34 | Tuller | haha :P |
| 22:56.24 | Tuller | I just know I'm third on my list of friends, I think :P |
| 22:56.49 | malreth | my sister is pissed... she and her boyfriend started going out before my fiancee and i did |
| 22:56.54 | malreth | we're cutting in line |
| 22:57.03 | Corrodias | what is it with women and marriage |
| 22:57.04 | Corrodias | amirite |
| 22:57.16 | malreth | she insists they'll elope before we can get married |
| 22:57.35 | Tuller | perhaps she'll abduct you both, and use your wedding as her own |
| 22:57.50 | malreth | i'd be okay with that if she chips in some cash |
| 22:59.04 | Anaral | My husband and I didn't want a wedding... Eventually though, I want a huge reception. :D |
| 22:59.19 | Tuller | haha |
| 23:00.21 | malreth | it's not worth it |
| 23:00.28 | malreth | unless you have family obligations |
| 23:00.57 | malreth | the whole wedding industry is insane |
| 23:01.00 | Anaral | Aye |
| 23:01.16 | malreth | white candle from your corner store $.60 |
| 23:01.17 | Corrodias | what a horrifying tradition, i think |
| 23:01.27 | malreth | white "Wedding" candle $6.00 |
| 23:01.30 | Tuller | my sister was quite good about it to the point she planned two other weddings |
| 23:01.36 | Anaral | But a reception is just a party to celebrate eachother, the only part of the wedding day that matters. |
| 23:01.37 | Corrodias | malreth: well, around here, candles are pretty expensive for some reason |
| 23:02.03 | malreth | white "wedding" "unity" candle $15 |
| 23:02.43 | Anaral | I've seen unity candles go for as much as $350. Now that's insanity. |
| 23:02.45 | malreth | on top of it, we're doing an asian style banquet for the reception |
| 23:02.57 | malreth | so... 8 courses of food |
| 23:03.05 | malreth | duck, pork, shrimp |
| 23:03.20 | malreth | tuna |
| 23:03.26 | malreth | tons of food |
| 23:03.37 | malreth | 8 4 oz. portions per person |
| 23:03.45 | malreth | 1 pound of food per person |
| 23:04.07 | malreth | plus wine, tea, booze, etc. |
| 23:04.30 | malreth | food is going to be close to abotu $75-80 per person |
| 23:04.57 | malreth | and the money gifts |
| 23:05.15 | malreth | i have to gift certain people to the tune of $200 each |
| 23:05.55 | malreth | oh... and i haven't even included the rehersal dinner |
| 23:06.05 | malreth | actually... i'm gonna stop thinking about this |
| 23:06.10 | Cairenn | haste: ping? |
| 23:06.34 | Cairenn | Matrix110|: ping? |
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| 23:06.44 | Matrix110| | huh? |
| 23:06.54 | Corrodias | malreth: wait, you have to give OTHER people gifts? |
| 23:07.01 | Cairenn | (2008-07-20 18:06:54) Cairenn: Matrix110|: are you maytrix on WoWI? |
| 23:07.08 | Matrix110| | nope |
| 23:07.10 | Cairenn | k |
| 23:07.28 | malreth | Corrodias: yes... AAAH!!! I'm thinking about it again. |
| 23:07.34 | Cairenn | sorry for the ping |
| 23:07.43 | Corrodias | in what kind of wedding do you give OTHER people gifts? |
| 23:07.46 | Corrodias | who suckered you into that? |
| 23:08.15 | malreth | Corrodias: are you asian? |
| 23:08.25 | Corrodias | no, are you? |
| 23:08.28 | haste | Cairenn: pong? |
| 23:08.31 | malreth | neither am i... we'll never understand it |
| 23:08.44 | Corrodias | let's get married |
| 23:08.50 | Corrodias | then we don't have to give people gifts |
| 23:08.51 | malreth | i <3 u |
| 23:09.11 | Cairenn | haste: apparently "skiddy" talked to you about "classfane" and you were okay with it? |
| 23:09.14 | malreth | ~yaoi Corrodias and malreth |
| 23:09.15 | purl | ACTION acts all interested in Corrodias and malreth but really it's just a whole bunch of angst with no naked payoff in the end. Figures. |
| 23:09.41 | haste | Cairenn: my license allows it |
| 23:09.46 | Cairenn | haste: okay, thanks |
| 23:10.09 | haste | but he didn't write any of it himself |
| 23:10.47 | haste | he got permission to redistrite the modification |
| 23:10.48 | malreth | no beta key for him! HA HA HA!!! |
| 23:11.04 | Cairenn | okay |
| 23:14.23 | haste | the kitty is play biting my leg :* |
| 23:15.07 | haste | the itching! when will it end |
| 23:15.40 | Adys | What'd be a good library for scheduling timed events? I see AceEvent-3.0 doesn't support that anymore |
| 23:16.23 | Tuller | OnUpdate handler away? |
| 23:17.40 | *** join/#wowuidev zespri_work (n=zespri@unaffiliated/zespri) |
| 23:17.53 | Adys | Tuller: thats pretty much what did aceevent-2.0, but i suppose there's something less hacky since blizzard added the time UI? |
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| 23:19.00 | wereHamster | Time UI? Where can I find that? |
| 23:19.16 | Adys | um right under the minimap |
| 23:19.19 | Adys | theres a stopwatch etc |
| 23:19.47 | wereHamster | oh well, I haven't started WoW in over four months :( |
| 23:19.55 | Kaso | Didnt there use to be a SeenServ on freenode |
| 23:19.55 | Adys | was last patch |
| 23:20.06 | Adys | Kaso: nickserv does that |
| 23:20.20 | wereHamster | Kaso: why not use purl's ~seen? |
| 23:20.35 | Tuller | its using an onupdate handler |
| 23:20.37 | Kaso | because purl only works for channels she's in |
| 23:20.53 | Adys | [02:20:48] -NickServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. |
| 23:20.57 | wereHamster | .. but who isn't in one of these channels? |
| 23:20.59 | Adys | well nevermind that oO |
| 23:21.23 | Kaso | Someone i want to see when theyve last been seen clearly! |
| 23:21.40 | Kaso | there used to be a seenserv which did it freenode wide, but its gone atm |
| 23:21.51 | foxlit | Horror story: I release a new version, and the only comment is "great job!" |
| 23:21.53 | Kaso | perhaps #freenode will help |
| 23:22.23 | foxlit | I can only assume my bugs ate people's computers and plunged them into an internet-free stone age. |
| 23:25.17 | malreth | ~cut foxlit |
| 23:25.23 | malreth | :( |
| 23:25.36 | malreth | ~mdk foxlit |
| 23:25.37 | purl | ACTION slices and dices foxlit and throws him in the trash |
| 23:25.41 | malreth | :) |
| 23:25.50 | Tuller | malreth: I have word from my gf that the pay people money thing is not a Korean tradition |
| 23:26.18 | malreth | Are Koreans real Asians? |
| 23:26.23 | malreth | :O |
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| 23:26.50 | Tuller | that will not be sent down the tubes to her :P |
| 23:27.01 | malreth | you keep her in a tube? |
| 23:27.16 | Tuller | no, just the internet |
| 23:27.27 | malreth | an internet girlfriend |
| 23:27.33 | malreth | i've wanted one of those |
| 23:27.43 | malreth | what are they like? |
| 23:27.59 | Tuller | they have higher gas prices |
| 23:28.27 | malreth | anyways, i'm not gifting everyone or even most people |
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| 23:28.46 | Tuller | well, it was more for my own curiosity :P |
| 23:28.47 | malreth | there's a younger child who is helping out with some ceremony thing we're doing |
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| 23:29.04 | Tuller | we call that person a ring bearer :P |
| 23:29.43 | malreth | she's opening the door to the bride's room after i go to her parent's place and pass their feats of strength and agility |
| 23:30.21 | malreth | and no, i'm actually being serious |
| 23:30.27 | malreth | ~serious malreth |
| 23:30.32 | malreth | hmm.. |
| 23:31.01 | Tuller | that actually sounds awesome |
| 23:31.18 | malreth | ~serious malreth |
| 23:31.19 | purl | Serious malreth is being serious. |
| 23:31.23 | malreth | there we go |
| 23:31.45 | malreth | "sounds" yes |
| 23:32.15 | malreth | the video i saw of her cousin's wedding involved having the groom play DDR while vacuuming the floor and wearing a pink frilly apron |
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| 23:32.35 | Tuller | that sounds profitable |
| 23:32.54 | malreth | that sounds like someone desperate for sex |
| 23:33.46 | Tuller | ...which is profitable |
| 23:34.09 | malreth | are you a pimp, too? |
| 23:34.37 | Tuller | negative |
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| 23:41.19 | malreth | so... Dr. Horrible. |
| 23:42.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:42.26 | Shirik | what's crying about? |
| 23:42.30 | amro | ~comfort malreth |
| 23:42.30 | purl | There, there, malreth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:43.02 | malreth | it's a wonderful bittersweet ending |
| 23:43.24 | malreth | Kaelten: hey... i've been reading that wowace future plan thread |
| 23:44.59 | amro | ~fail |
| 23:45.00 | purl | Sorry, amro, you have failed. |
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