| 00:00.27 | Guest683 | Does anyone know why I'm unable to patch cosmos? It says there was an error connecting to the server. |
| 00:00.51 | Thunder_Child | server is down |
| 00:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: #wowprogramming |
| 00:01.03 | Guest683 | Ahh...anyone know when the server might be back up? |
| 00:01.09 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 00:01.16 | Guest683 | It was down yesterday as well... |
| 00:01.55 | Guest683 | I suppose that explains why I can't signup to go to post anything on the forums as well. |
| 00:02.41 | Guest683 | Well thanks for the help. |
| 00:02.50 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 00:04.26 | Thunder_Child | does ANYONE still work at/on cosmos? |
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| 00:06.33 | Esamynn|Work | yup, although it's not really a collaborative effort anymore (afaik) |
| 00:07.46 | Thunder_Child | well a post on their front page about the server being down would be nice |
| 00:08.05 | Thunder_Child | who do we have to screw to get a post around here |
| 00:09.43 | laeg | cheat death nerf fucking sucks |
| 00:10.18 | kd3 | aw |
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| 00:11.06 | Kirov | HMgT nerfs suck. |
| 00:11.18 | Kirov | well, apart from the ms warrior nerf |
| 00:11.41 | Kirov | they should of handed out fucking titles for people who downed the priestess w/ 3 melee |
| 00:12.34 | Thunder_Child | lol, i read "hand out fucking titties" |
| 00:12.36 | NightHawkAtWork | 3 melee & no cc. >< |
| 00:13.17 | Corrodias | hello |
| 00:13.19 | Corrodias | wut? |
| 00:13.37 | Corrodias | i'd like some |
| 00:13.39 | Kirov | NightHawkAtWork - 3 melee adds, not 3 melee players, though that's a bitch too. |
| 00:13.50 | NightHawkAtWork | Kirov: i know what you meant |
| 00:14.03 | NightHawkAtWork | and i'm saying i've done it with 3 melee adds and little/no cc in the group >< |
| 00:14.07 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, sure, just head on down to the read light district... |
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| 00:14.12 | NightHawkAtWork | it was painful, though |
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| 00:14.26 | Kirov | I did it with 2 druids, a paladin, a shaman, and my mage. |
| 00:14.33 | Kirov | and the paladin was aoeing |
| 00:14.34 | Thunder_Child | s/read/red/ |
| 00:14.54 | Kirov | w/ the MS warrior, shaman, rogue, and hunter. |
| 00:15.19 | Kirov | We ended w/ only the pally alive. |
| 00:15.45 | Kirov | home time |
| 00:18.42 | Esamynn|Work | laeg: haw haw |
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| 00:35.13 | Lunessa | Heh, I've been playing this game since pre-launc and as yet I have zero titles. If only I could get a group for killing Magtheridon... |
| 00:35.47 | Corrodias | GRIND AND WORK FOR YOUR MEAGER ACKNOWLEDGEMENT! MUAHAHA |
| 00:36.43 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 00:37.13 | Corrodias | while you're at it, go out and spend more money on cards. maybe you'll get a new appearance for a mount in your game! |
| 00:37.20 | NightHawkAtWork | I bought the shattered sun title on my druid |
| 00:37.30 | Esamynn|Work | Lunessa: you didn't do any pvp under the old honor system? |
| 00:37.42 | Lunessa | Esamynn|Work: I loathe PvP. |
| 00:37.50 | NightHawkAtWork | Esamynn|Work: but who wants to be called "Scout" :P |
| 00:37.56 | Corrodias | but how would you know if you never tried it? |
| 00:37.57 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 00:38.09 | NightHawkAtWork | I think i actually have that title available on some characters. |
| 00:38.10 | Corrodias | unless you mean from other games... |
| 00:38.50 | Lunessa | Heh... first 8 months of play were on Illidan PVP |
| 00:39.16 | Corrodias | did you never kill -anybody-? |
| 00:39.27 | Esamynn|Work | NightHawkAtWork: when they announced the titles would be awarded on highest rank ever, my highest was Knight-Lieutenant, so I worked just enough to get Knight-Captain, because that was better imo, would have preferred Knight, but I couldn't get that one anymore :/ |
| 00:39.32 | Corrodias | that would be a pretty damn miserable performance, i must say :/ |
| 00:40.35 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.47 | kd3 | yay, 301 fishing |
| 00:40.58 | Corrodias | ooh. yes... i forgot it wasn't originally part of the game |
| 00:41.09 | selckin | notting was really |
| 00:41.55 | bleeter | I still wish we got a title for Kara attunement 'Bleeter, Testicle of Khadgar' |
| 00:42.44 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 00:42.45 | Thunder_Child | and another mental image gone wrong thanks to bleeter |
| 00:42.52 | Esamynn|Work | bad sheep, bad |
| 00:44.02 | Lunessa | Not only did I stop playing on a PvP server before the honor system was implemented, I was playing a demonology warlock prior to their first review and warlocks basically "sucked." |
| 00:44.50 | Esamynn|Work | ooooh, ouch |
| 00:45.15 | bleeter | hmm, I wonder how 'hard' it'd be to write a blizz forum fuse |
| 00:46.00 | bleeter | could then write a bunch of scripts that'd copy a 'file', or part of a file, from one dir to the other and presto you've replied with something out of a sticky |
| 00:46.01 | Lunessa | And, I basically suck at PvP anyway. So my first 8 months of WoW were basically the same as stuffing broken glass into my rectum. None of my friends understood why I hated the game so much. :P |
| 00:50.02 | Lunessa | Guess that visual was a real conversation killer. |
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| 01:04.13 | Wunio | plepreboal |
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| 01:10.43 | laeg | i need a cool name for a warrior |
| 01:10.52 | laeg | stomper is taken :( |
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| 01:12.29 | JoshBorke | shocker |
| 01:13.04 | DGMurdockIII | is Cosmos ui still all what it used to be when it first came out |
| 01:13.20 | DGMurdockIII | or shold i be looking for a different addon pack |
| 01:13.29 | Shirik | so yeah |
| 01:13.32 | Shirik | hyjal is totally not hotfixed |
| 01:13.36 | JoshBorke | um, try it out and see? |
| 01:13.41 | AnduinLothar | depends on what you want |
| 01:13.45 | Corrodias | fixed? what's wrong with it? |
| 01:13.45 | DGMurdockIII | i di |
| 01:13.55 | Shirik | Corrodias: Anetheron does not spawn his infernals |
| 01:14.02 | DGMurdockIII | I use it |
| 01:14.14 | Corrodias | oh, that Hyjal |
| 01:14.17 | Corrodias | False Hyjal |
| 01:14.18 | DGMurdockIII | but i really dont see to much of a difference |
| 01:14.21 | Shirik | as opposed to what hyjal? |
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| 01:14.36 | Corrodias | the Promised Land, in Kalimdor |
| 01:14.42 | AnduinLothar | much of it is disabled by default for that purpose. enable what you want |
| 01:14.54 | DGMurdockIII | why |
| 01:14.59 | DGMurdockIII | is it disable |
| 01:15.16 | AnduinLothar | because there are hundreds of options |
| 01:15.30 | AnduinLothar | pick what you want. it's not that hard |
| 01:15.31 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 01:15.32 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 01:15.33 | laeg | JoshBorke: shocker would be a good name for a class that electrocutes people |
| 01:15.40 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: choice is hard, mmk? |
| 01:15.57 | DGMurdockIII | brb |
| 01:15.59 | JoshBorke | laeg: have you seen the newest talents? |
| 01:16.04 | laeg | ohh |
| 01:16.06 | laeg | i have not? |
| 01:16.06 | JoshBorke | laeg: warriors will get shockwave |
| 01:16.06 | AnduinLothar | if you dont want choice go get an addon pack that makes all your decisions for you |
| 01:16.17 | laeg | JoshBorke: link |
| 01:16.38 | JoshBorke | laeg: www.mmo-champion.com |
| 01:16.44 | laeg | damnit shockwave is taken :9 |
| 01:16.46 | laeg | :9 |
| 01:16.48 | laeg | :( |
| 01:16.56 | laeg | bad kitty. |
| 01:17.37 | laeg | JoshBorke: ty |
| 01:17.47 | bleeter | Cairenn: I still want you to get me the home address of the guy who wrote It'sG15Binder so I can send them a bunch of timtams and other goodness ;) |
| 01:18.20 | Cairenn | timtams? TimTams?! Why, it was me, of course! |
| 01:18.26 | bleeter | haha |
| 01:18.28 | bleeter | sif :P |
| 01:18.30 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:19.12 | bleeter | any g15 user who doesn't have that addon needs their head read |
| 01:20.42 | DGMurdockIII | I just want somthing that will give me a good set of add on and install them and keep them updated for me kind like Cosmos but qithout me having to enable them |
| 01:20.58 | Thunder_Child | "IF someone serves you a dead dog for dinner, you do not stick around for the after dinner pudding." |
| 01:21.01 | JoshBorke | DGMurdockIII: i want the game to play itself :-D |
| 01:21.28 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: depends if yer in Indonesia, or similar ;) |
| 01:21.56 | Thunder_Child | lets assume you're not |
| 01:22.06 | bleeter | nate of mine who was at the aussie air force base said if done right, it's actually quite tasty =)) |
| 01:22.10 | bleeter | *mate |
| 01:22.18 | Thunder_Child | zero punctuation wins as usual |
| 01:22.29 | DGMurdockIII | in the program if i have to select witch one to enable whn it does the install that ok becse that what i want |
| 01:23.36 | Corrodias | a dead dog for dinner? would you prefer a live one? |
| 01:23.40 | DGMurdockIII | AnduinLothar: you there |
| 01:23.53 | AnduinLothar | no, i'm not |
| 01:24.25 | AnduinLothar | enable them in the character addoncscreen or on khaos and reloadui |
| 01:25.31 | AnduinLothar | The design decision was made back when most people jsut updated everythign at once. then someone put checkboxes in the patcher, which means people get to choose, but the design of the addons has not changed to reflect that. |
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| 01:27.41 | AnduinLothar | if i had a company of people workign for me I'd assign some peon to go change them all |
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| 01:36.53 | laeg | i don't appreciate how blizzard has put so much emphasis on backstab and ambush in the new talent points for level 80 when i'm told ambush is useless at level 70 in pvp because of resilence |
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| 01:39.39 | billbob | hi |
| 01:39.42 | laeg | hi |
| 01:40.02 | Arrowmaster | laeg: pvp isnt everything |
| 01:40.22 | billbob | just wondering if it's me; anyone else having cosmos patching issues? |
| 01:40.34 | Arrowmaster | its down afaik |
| 01:40.34 | AnduinLothar | read the news |
| 01:41.03 | AnduinLothar | no one reads the news posts. it's pointless |
| 01:41.17 | laeg | Arrowmaster: sub spec is the pvp talent tree though |
| 01:41.39 | Arrowmaster | tell that to my friend that raids as shadowstep |
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| 01:41.52 | billbob | thx ... missed that |
| 01:46.09 | laeg | Arrowmaster: has he compared it to the damage he'd do in combat? |
| 01:46.27 | laeg | raid shs would be nice because it would mean i wouldn't have to keep switching builds |
| 01:48.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah he has |
| 01:48.31 | Arrowmaster | combat does more except produces too much threat and doesnt have as much survivablility |
| 01:50.43 | Lunessa | ~comfort AnduinLothar |
| 01:50.44 | purl | There, there, AnduinLothar. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 01:59.06 | kd3 | anyone got a favorite auto-restocker mod? |
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| 02:00.06 | Industrial | tekkub has one |
| 02:00.17 | Industrial | dont use it |
| 02:00.46 | Industrial | http://github.com/tekkub/stealyourcarbon/tree/master |
| 02:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ steal your carbon |
| 02:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's win |
| 02:01.24 | Tekkub | do you actually get it? |
| 02:01.33 | Industrial | I dont :( |
| 02:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 02:01.42 | Tekkub | yea we already know you suck |
| 02:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Someday you will die and someone or something will steal your carbin |
| 02:01.55 | Industrial | but thats prolly not it |
| 02:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | *carbon |
| 02:02.03 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 02:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Am I right with that? ;) |
| 02:04.21 | kd3 | huzzah. another addon using the built-in config ui. if only more would do that... |
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| 02:13.07 | Lunessa | kd3 Cog's BuyEmAll |
| 02:15.47 | |Jelly| | FYI ... Anatheron is still bugged |
| 02:18.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 02:19.11 | |Jelly| | Yup. Just killed him. |
| 02:19.26 | Lukian | <3 |
| 02:20.10 | |Jelly| | I guess I'm lucky too ... he targetted me first. lol |
| 02:21.10 | Lukian | lmao |
| 02:21.20 | Lukian | yeah I usually pwn us if I get targetted as melee |
| 02:26.08 | |Jelly| | So I just got the trash shadow cloak. |
| 02:26.11 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 02:26.17 | |Jelly| | My WotLK set is coming together! :) |
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| 02:34.42 | Shirik | wtf clad|sleep |
| 02:34.49 | clad|sleep | ? |
| 02:34.50 | Shirik | you're in the U.S. |
| 02:34.57 | Shirik | we don't go to sleep this early! |
| 02:35.21 | Shirik | :P night :) |
| 02:35.28 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 02:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | we do if we're tired.. |
| 02:36.25 | bleeter | uptime |
| 02:36.26 | bleeter | bah |
| 02:39.13 | Shirik | [Arcane Rune] Flavor text: These glowing runes are used in Scryer inscriptions. |
| 02:39.25 | Shirik | [2. Trade] <SomeGuy>: What are [Arcane Rune] used for? |
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| 02:39.56 | Shirik | I think we should ban anyone who can't read from the internet |
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| 02:40.19 | |Jelly| | ~win Shirik |
| 02:40.20 | purl | Congratulations, Shirik! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:40.26 | Shirik | thank god |
| 02:40.36 | Diskmaster | wtb [Internet License] pst |
| 02:40.39 | Shirik | I can at least do better than that cocky businessman we have in there now |
| 02:41.02 | Shirik | I was listening to NPR the other day and they had an interesting statement |
| 02:41.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: lolthisisagame no1redsn00b. |
| 02:41.42 | Shirik | "President Bush's business history has been to acquire successful companies, and then run them into the ground within 10 years. Surely enough, he has managed to do that with the U.S. economy as well." |
| 02:44.35 | Lunessa | I have a theory about the US Presidency - It doesn't matter who you are, which party you're affiliated with, or how you got into office. On the way there, you're the Great Hope, and everyone dreams big. When you leave you're the Great Fucking Devil and everyone hates you for what you did/didn't do. Basically, it's like writing a popular AddOn that gets broken by patch. |
| 02:45.21 | Lunessa | Someone is going to be pissed and vocal and revile you. And people will get on the bandwagon. |
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| 02:47.49 | batrick | clad|sleep: ping |
| 02:50.52 | Shirik | Lunessa: Clinton was a great man |
| 02:51.01 | Shirik | and there were quite a few other good presidents |
| 02:51.07 | Shirik | Bush, on the other hand, was nothing close to a good man |
| 02:51.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: I disagree, even though I voted for him for his second term. |
| 02:51.20 | AnduinLothar | no no. Clinton was a great Presidant. As a man he failed |
| 02:51.26 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:51.28 | Shirik | I'll give you that |
| 02:51.37 | Lunessa | And I disagree again, but probably for reasons not worth going into. |
| 02:51.55 | AnduinLothar | as a role model, he failed |
| 02:53.10 | Lunessa | And I rather expect that in 15-20 years, we'll all feel differently about both presidents. |
| 02:54.20 | clad|sleep | batrick: pong |
| 02:54.34 | Shirik | There isn't much to look at Bush and be proud of |
| 02:54.36 | Lunessa | I mean, I know I feel differently now about Carter than I did when he was in office. Same for Ford. Or even Regan or the first Bush. |
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| 02:54.41 | bleeter | argh, bloody steps =)) |
| 02:54.52 | Shirik | "Yay he started a war" ... oh wait |
| 02:54.58 | Shirik | "Yay he drove up gas prices" ... um |
| 02:55.05 | Shirik | what DID he succeed in doing? |
| 02:55.08 | batrick | clad|sleep: I was looking at slide 18 and you mentioned that GC was only performed when garbage is made (closures, tables, strings, etc.). I wondered if you took into account GC being called when functions returned or when varargs are resized |
| 02:55.09 | bleeter | bollox Clinton was a failed man. Name me one 'liberal' man who wouldn't wanna get blown by some intern AND be president of the most powerful country on the planet? |
| 02:55.23 | clad|sleep | batrick: when varargs are resized? |
| 02:55.25 | clad|sleep | that makes no sense imo |
| 02:55.27 | Shirik | no child left behind? lol |
| 02:55.36 | clad|sleep | and i dont believe a gc step is taken when a function returns |
| 02:55.58 | batrick | e.g. function a(...) b(...) end function b(a, ...) print(...) end |
| 02:56.07 | batrick | it does, check ldo.c |
| 02:56.10 | batrick | look for checkGC |
| 02:56.15 | batrick | s/look/grep/ |
| 02:56.41 | Lunessa | I think we'll see with greater clarity in hindsight. The "war" was actually started in oh, mmm... the late 1970s. |
| 02:56.55 | Shirik | and then it was over |
| 02:56.59 | batrick | the problem with your example of restarting/stopping the GC is when you restart GC the threshold is set to the current memory use, so garbage takes a while to be collected via prue function calls |
| 02:57.07 | Shirik | and then his son decided "I must pick up where my father left off!" |
| 02:57.16 | Shirik | and used 9/11 as his excuse |
| 02:57.56 | clad|sleep | batrick: I'd like to say thats new, but it really doesn't matter |
| 02:58.01 | clad|sleep | the slides weren't meant to be definitive |
| 02:58.06 | clad|sleep | and either way, the problem still exists |
| 02:58.12 | batrick | I was just curious if you were aware of it |
| 02:58.18 | clad|sleep | I wasn't. |
| 02:58.23 | batrick | the addon was still useful |
| 02:58.31 | clad|sleep | the addon was necessary |
| 02:58.35 | Lunessa | *shrug* I'm not going to argue that with you. Any position on that comes of as dogma right now. My point was that it doesn't matter who/what you are as president, when you leave, everyone hates you. On the way in, everyone loves you. Human nature. |
| 02:58.35 | clad|sleep | and the change was required |
| 02:58.43 | clad|sleep | and the fundamental "problem" still exists |
| 02:58.51 | clad|sleep | and other people have run into it in their own systems, which is why i shared it. |
| 02:59.02 | bleeter | fwiw, that 'war' has been going on since.. forever. Someone just chose to ignore the existance of history and ignore what it may teach them ;) |
| 02:59.05 | Shirik | In 20 years if I still hate bush can I call you and be like "I told you so!" |
| 02:59.31 | bleeter | it's not that a big leap to state that the US was founded because of the ongoing same war |
| 03:00.19 | batrick | the problem lies with the threshold |
| 03:00.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: If I'm still alive in 20 years, I'll laugh with you. |
| 03:00.32 | batrick | if someone restarts the GC and no more garbage is made, it slows considerably |
| 03:00.33 | clad|sleep | batrick: no, that's not correct |
| 03:00.55 | clad|sleep | i dont really have time for this discussion |
| 03:01.11 | clad|sleep | but the problems I observed are real, and in the sort of situation we have in WoW can't be fixed without forcing GC steps |
| 03:01.39 | clad|sleep | I confirmed that back before slouken integrated gctweak |
| 03:01.39 | Shirik | Lunessa, you're not that old :P |
| 03:01.51 | batrick | gc steps will be forced if the threshold is low enough |
| 03:02.00 | batrick | but we can talk later I guess |
| 03:02.02 | clad|sleep | *sigh* |
| 03:02.04 | clad|sleep | fine |
| 03:02.13 | clad|sleep | I'm not going to argue this point |
| 03:02.20 | clad|sleep | at least two other companies have the exact same issue |
| 03:02.23 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'm 8 years older than I ever expected to be now. :P And I live dangerously. I eat fatty food and play video games all day. :P |
| 03:02.25 | clad|sleep | and one of them used the exact same solution I did |
| 03:02.46 | clad|sleep | set the threshold to restart the cycle immediately and the problem still exists |
| 03:03.06 | clad|sleep | perhaps the gc bug that was just fixed has somethign to do with it, but I can't really test that in WoW anymore. |
| 03:03.11 | clad|sleep | really going to sleep now. |
| 03:03.21 | batrick | bye |
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| 03:11.25 | batrick | is anyone here going to make it to DefCon? |
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| 03:59.11 | kd3 | whee |
| 03:59.11 | kd3 | I </3 my net connection |
| 04:00.13 | bleeter | kd3: that stuff in CSF you're glad you didn't see, if you want a vague idea of what went on, just ask I'll /msg to you. |
| 04:00.39 | bleeter | was pretty much the ... pinnacle.. of trolling, it was that bad. you prolly don't wanna know. |
| 04:02.08 | kd3 | unless it compares to the depths of 4chan I've probably seen worse, but I'll still pass |
| 04:02.09 | bleeter | *pinnacle of trolling in the most disgusting fashion |
| 04:02.42 | bleeter | not being a regular 4channer, can't say fer sure, but I suspect it was about that level ;) |
| 04:03.16 | bleeter | I think thunderwulf gave up on the forums 'coz of it, the blues were very busy and didn't get to the edits and bans before 3 or 4 pages |
| 04:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: what thread is this? |
| 04:18.09 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: a sensitive issue thread that got trolled to hell by a bunch of forum ban requesting morons |
| 04:18.32 | bleeter | it was so bad, if forum actions were tied to ingame accounts, they'd be outta the game too |
| 04:19.10 | bleeter | but it's all been edited and cleaned up by GMs, and locked, so even if I did post the URL here, you wouldn't see much |
| 04:19.43 | bleeter | suffice to say, some guy and his wife had a stillbirth, and they were requesting something. YOu can take it from there what those tooling trolls did. |
| 04:19.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ... ah |
| 04:20.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't even find the thread :/ |
| 04:20.07 | bleeter | 'did the kid drop fat loots' was about the mildest |
| 04:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... wow |
| 04:21.11 | Nechckn | how did that ever end up on some game message board though? Not that anyone was right to pick on 'em.... |
| 04:21.21 | bleeter | I suspect it was a bunch of people from the 'organising arena games != queue avoidance therefore unban us you Blue GM Moron who knows nothing about arena' thread |
| 04:23.25 | bleeter | anyways, the thread's now seemingly deleted, and rightly so too. the OP probably got a bunch of earfuls in game from those idiots, too |
| 04:23.37 | Shirik | anybody familiar with water cooling systems? |
| 04:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: enough to never bother with them again |
| 04:25.15 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:25.17 | Shirik | not worth it? |
| 04:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It is an AMAZING pain to setup |
| 04:25.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I had one of the high quality systems |
| 04:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooo much hassle |
| 04:26.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It was a dual CPU AMD 2600+ with 4GB of ECC RAM (EEC?) |
| 04:26.24 | kd3 | yay, medivh's lagging. wonder if it's ruin-wide |
| 04:26.29 | bleeter | kd3: yeah, someone just 'confirmed' it was 4chan /b/ quality |
| 04:26.32 | Shirik | I'm just worried because the processor I'm buying doesn't actually come with a heatsink, though all the others in its family does, and I'm wondering if that's because a heatsink isn't enough |
| 04:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | You can buy CPUs without heatsinks, they are commonly called OEM :) |
| 04:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Get a heat sink on that |
| 04:27.00 | Shirik | yes but this is retail |
| 04:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 04:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Link |
| 04:27.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *? |
| 04:27.15 | Shirik | please don't laugh at the price >.> |
| 04:27.17 | Shirik | I have my reasons |
| 04:27.35 | Shirik | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115051 |
| 04:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah you're going to need a heat sink on that |
| 04:27.58 | Shirik | the price actually just went up $200 |
| 04:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:28.03 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 04:28.06 | kd3 | $1500? |
| 04:28.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "Cons: No fan included. Runs very hot. Needs water cooling as per Intel spec sheet." |
| 04:28.26 | ScytheBlade1 | As per intel spec sheet scares me |
| 04:28.33 | Shirik | The specific combination I'm looking for is quad core with 1600MHz FSB. This and one other, more expensive one are the only options |
| 04:28.46 | Shirik | My intent is to buy a system that will last me for a while, much like the one I have now did |
| 04:28.52 | Shirik | but it's reached its end of life |
| 04:29.02 | Nechckn | That comment wins-- Cons: $1400 and no fan?? |
| 04:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | In that case |
| 04:29.12 | Shirik | I didn't see that ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd strongly suggest you get water cooling |
| 04:29.29 | kd3 | meh, the system I've got now's pretty good, but I spent $1600 altogether on it... though it's "only" got a Q6600 in it |
| 04:29.47 | Shirik | yeah, now that I read that, I agree too ScytheBlade1 :P |
| 04:29.51 | Shirik | So that leads into my second question |
| 04:30.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "Which system?" |
| 04:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec as I look up what I had |
| 04:30.19 | Shirik | Is there more than 1 part to buy, or is it usually all included? |
| 04:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | There are kits, sure |
| 04:30.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Usually you buy what you need and go from there though |
| 04:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | argh where did I put that |
| 04:31.13 | batrick | Shirik: there's no real reason to buy those |
| 04:31.22 | Shirik | I already wrote down my reasonin |
| 04:31.25 | batrick | that's for people too ignorant to oc |
| 04:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.koolance.com/default.php |
| 04:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | There we are |
| 04:31.46 | batrick | most of the quad cores can be over clocked that much |
| 04:31.47 | Shirik | you intend to OC a dual core to a quad core? |
| 04:32.03 | Shirik | so why not OC the 1600 MHz to something higher :) |
| 04:32.16 | Arrowmaster | fuck watercooling, too much trouble |
| 04:32.21 | Arrowmaster | go with phase exchange |
| 04:32.36 | Shirik | phase exchange? |
| 04:32.52 | Shirik | is that like subspace containment fields? |
| 04:33.03 | batrick | you won't be able to oc that 1600 MHz much higher |
| 04:33.23 | Shirik | I don't OC anyway |
| 04:33.36 | Shirik | I don't see a true point to it |
| 04:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what motherboard and GPU? |
| 04:33.44 | Shirik | that's still being worked on |
| 04:33.45 | Arrowmaster | trying to find a good example |
| 04:33.45 | Nechckn | The only folks I knew with water cooling didn't like it because after mucking around with it... when they went to upgrade it was a total bear to reconfigure the H2O systems.... |
| 04:33.46 | Arrowmaster | http://www.legitreviews.com/article/282/1/ |
| 04:34.00 | Nechckn | don't know the specifics..just what I was told is all. |
| 04:34.05 | Shirik | I'm debating on this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131298 |
| 04:34.22 | Shirik | The GPU won't be purchased immediately. It's PCI-E, slightly old, but I'm holding onto it for now just to spread out the purchase |
| 04:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | To be honest when you said "don't laugh at the price" I was expecting $20 :P |
| 04:35.25 | Shirik | :P |
| 04:35.36 | Shirik | see, I have a problem. Money doesn't really have much value to me |
| 04:36.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 04:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Aside from yelling at you for spending that much on a CPU |
| 04:36.12 | Nechckn | it doesn't to anyone- until you don't have it |
| 04:36.13 | batrick | shirik |
| 04:36.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Which I'd really like to do |
| 04:36.23 | batrick | why not wait until Q4 when those sick 8 cores come out |
| 04:36.26 | batrick | !g nehalem processor |
| 04:36.27 | batbot | batrick: Nehalem (microarchitecture) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)> |
| 04:36.32 | Shirik | I thought that was a while away |
| 04:36.33 | Arrowmaster | my friend has a $1000 cpu that hes been using for years |
| 04:36.35 | kd3 | lmfao... [Dumbas]] Thief breaks into car and falls asleep inside with the car stereo in his hands. "We read him his Miranda rights and asked him if he wanted to remain silent. Then we woke him up." |
| 04:36.43 | Arrowmaster | although it won it at a lanparty |
| 04:36.52 | Shirik | point is what Arrowmaster said, basically. I want it to last a while. I don't like upgrading every year like I used to do |
| 04:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | A straight answer to your watercooling question: Koolance builds very very high quality watercooling products - you price out what you need, assemble it yourself |
| 04:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But you have no idea how much of a hassle it is |
| 04:37.25 | Arrowmaster | like i said phase change system instead of water cooling |
| 04:38.24 | Shirik | I was actually kinda hoping there would be a dual cpu board that supports these quad cores |
| 04:38.31 | Shirik | that way sometime in the future I could add in another cpu |
| 04:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | There is |
| 04:38.36 | Shirik | I didn't see any |
| 04:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5100/X7DCA-L.cfm |
| 04:38.47 | kd3 | 8-core boards? /shudder |
| 04:38.48 | bleeter | kd3: friend of mine went to drive home last night, spent half an hour wondering wtf his car wouldn't start. He had the hood up and all, some lady turned up to get in her car asked if he was alright, he just explained he couldn't get his car to start |
| 04:38.49 | Shirik | oh I had it restricted to DDR3 as well so |
| 04:38.51 | ScytheBlade1 | But you have to go specalized |
| 04:39.00 | Shirik | kd3: I work with 10 cores quite frequently :) But that's at the school |
| 04:39.08 | Shirik | oh and 250 cores, but that's a beowulf cluster |
| 04:39.19 | bleeter | kd3: so she wishes him luck, drives away, and he sees on the other side of where her car was.. same model.. same make.. same year.. same colour... yup, he'd tried taking off with someone else's car |
| 04:39.30 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:40.17 | bleeter | ok, this is annoying me.. I've managed to crack the 200ms cross pacific ping/trace barrier, and my ingame latency is higher than normal :/ |
| 04:41.20 | batrick | Shirik: im waiting for the 8 cores |
| 04:41.22 | batrick | they look sick |
| 04:41.27 | Shirik | I can't wait a year |
| 04:41.32 | batrick | only thing is you need a new motherboard and DDR3 RAM |
| 04:41.43 | batrick | it's only like ~4-5 monthes |
| 04:41.50 | Shirik | you also need to get batbot to not suck at posting links |
| 04:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: honestly? Don't spend that much money. Value or no, all you'll get out of it is immense dissatisfaction a year and a half down the road |
| 04:42.13 | Shirik | eh, why would you say that though |
| 04:42.41 | Shirik | batrick: SSE 5? |
| 04:42.45 | Nechckn | Because there weill be some awesome systems that make, even that crazy beast, look like a 1st gen Pentium |
| 04:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll be available for $300 then |
| 04:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You may not have any value for money /now/ |
| 04:43.23 | ScytheBlade1 | But I can guarantee that you will /then/ |
| 04:43.59 | Shirik | I expect that ScytheBlade1 :P |
| 04:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You really have no idea just how much of a waste that is for personal use |
| 04:44.29 | Shirik | Nechckn: I totally agree with that, but what "that crazy beast" will not be is something that can't live up to the then-current demands |
| 04:45.05 | Shirik | though batrick raises an interesting point |
| 04:45.13 | Shirik | I just odn't know if I can wait 4-5 months |
| 04:45.27 | Nechckn | meh.. it's up to you man, of course. I totally agree with ScytheBlade1 though. |
| 04:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously. Don't. |
| 04:46.18 | bleeter | when I buy gear, I buy it just before the 'new' stuff launches. Sure, not 100% 'up to date' but I save a packet and can by more shiny trinket gadget stuffs with my savings |
| 04:46.25 | Shirik | I told you about the price ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 04:46.37 | bleeter | *can buy |
| 04:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm telling you that's nothing short of a gigantic mistake |
| 04:47.15 | Shirik | though the architecture of Nehalem is ... interesting |
| 04:47.31 | batrick | shirik |
| 04:47.36 | batrick | im on a fucking pentium D |
| 04:47.40 | batrick | if I can wait you can :P |
| 04:47.54 | Shirik | I'm pre-pentium D |
| 04:47.59 | batrick | meh |
| 04:48.07 | batrick | we're both in a shitty situation |
| 04:48.09 | Shirik | AND running it on vista |
| 04:48.15 | batrick | but the new 8 cores will pioneer a new motherboard |
| 04:48.20 | batrick | buying something now doesn't make sense imo |
| 04:48.46 | Shirik | Here's my real problem: I'm at a point where I need some kind of upgrade rather urgently. The biggest problem comes from a simple lack of RAM |
| 04:48.57 | Shirik | But buying more RAM is only a quick fix, and a short one at best |
| 04:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Go DDR3, and a modern CPU that includes a heat sink within the spec |
| 04:49.12 | Shirik | I don't want to go out and double my RAM only to trash it in a few months |
| 04:49.20 | batrick | I'd just wait, the 8 cores are way to sweet to buy a quad core atm |
| 04:49.37 | Shirik | The L3 cache on the 8 cores is what really catches my attention |
| 04:49.49 | Shirik | a shared cache can improve efficiently severely if it's used correctly. The quad cores don't have that |
| 04:49.51 | batrick | the eight cores are almost 50% better than the exteme edition quads |
| 04:50.05 | batrick | according to benchmarks |
| 04:50.39 | Arrowmaster | my only problem with that is how many programs can actually use 8 cores? |
| 04:50.52 | Shirik | wtf is an FB-DIMM |
| 04:50.55 | Nechckn | Get outta town, really that much batrick?? |
| 04:51.15 | Nechckn | holy damn, that is amazing |
| 04:51.34 | Shirik | Nechckn: That's what I was commenting on earlier |
| 04:51.43 | Shirik | the speed is not that much better, the architecture change makes a huge difference |
| 04:51.56 | Shirik | of course 8 cores, if used correctly, helps a lot too |
| 04:52.19 | Arrowmaster | i probably need to upgrade more than you do =( |
| 04:52.22 | Nechckn | so why bother with this other one, then? really man |
| 04:52.37 | Shirik | That's what I'm saying, batrick's the only one that's given me a real reason not to do it now |
| 04:52.39 | Nechckn | you'll be at the pinacle, rather than starting to head downhill |
| 04:53.01 | Arrowmaster | my problem has been all the motherboards dont look that great or have stuff that pisses me off so i cant find anything decent |
| 04:53.02 | Shirik | though batrick, the "8 core" units aren't even listed under "performance desktop," they're listed under "MP server" |
| 04:53.05 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:53.10 | Sixen | hai |
| 04:53.16 | Shirik | something tells me price on that is not going to be cheap |
| 04:53.50 | Shirik | also the 8 cores are listed for "Q2 2009" |
| 04:54.00 | Arrowmaster | ugg too far away |
| 04:54.12 | Arrowmaster | i need to upgrade soon |
| 04:54.29 | Arrowmaster | especially before fallout3 |
| 04:54.33 | Shirik | LGA 1366s are listed for Oct 2008 |
| 04:54.46 | Shirik | they're decent, but only 4 cores |
| 04:54.56 | Shirik | but most systems won't even use 8 cores efficiently |
| 04:55.04 | Shirik | if you're on windows and don't have vista, you can't use that many anyway |
| 04:55.10 | Shirik | s/vista/vista ultimate/ |
| 04:56.07 | Arrowmaster | that reminds me i need to check if my msdnaa is still active and nab a server08 key |
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| 04:56.51 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 04:56.57 | Shirik | some of these processors are going to have an integrated GPU? |
| 04:57.25 | Shirik | omg batrick |
| 04:57.31 | Shirik | the 8 cores: |
| 04:57.32 | Shirik | 256 KB L2/core |
| 04:57.32 | Shirik | 24 MB shared L3 |
| 04:57.50 | Shirik | I remember when I didn't even have 24MB of RAM :( |
| 04:58.57 | bleeter | I remember when I didn't even have 24KB of RAM |
| 05:00.00 | batrick | I'm telling you, even the 4 core 8 simultaneous thread nehalems are going to be beast |
| 05:00.12 | batrick | which are the ones for Q4 this year |
| 05:00.21 | batrick | the actual 8 core processors are two years awa I think |
| 05:00.27 | batrick | maybe a year, dont remember |
| 05:00.46 | Nechckn | I remember when we ran 'em on moonshine that we had to distil ourselves... good thing that Moses and John McCain were there to help me! |
| 05:01.04 | kd3 | I'm just happy that the FSB looks like it's finally going to be dying the death in a year or two |
| 05:02.09 | Sixen | Front Side bus? |
| 05:02.22 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:06.09 | batrick | o man those bloomfields look sexy |
| 05:06.20 | batrick | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/07/14/intel_prices_up_nehalem/ |
| 05:06.24 | batrick | they got prices for them too |
| 05:06.31 | batrick | and supposedly they're coming out in october |
| 05:06.35 | batrick | that's not too far away shirik |
| 05:06.43 | Shirik | it's 6 months... |
| 05:06.46 | batrick | ~3 mnothes |
| 05:06.48 | batrick | ?? |
| 05:06.52 | Shirik | october, yes, for certain cores |
| 05:06.57 | Shirik | read wiki |
| 05:06.57 | batrick | for bloomfields |
| 05:07.02 | batrick | that's the only one you'll want |
| 05:07.04 | Shirik | wiki is never wrong! |
| 05:07.15 | Shirik | bloomfield is 4 core |
| 05:07.18 | batrick | im reading the wiki u nut |
| 05:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I am really curious as to the reasons you have written down to buy that CPU, shirik |
| 05:07.35 | batrick | nehalem has hyperthreading (brought back since pentium 4) |
| 05:07.36 | Shirik | I already pointed them out |
| 05:07.40 | Shirik | there are only two points |
| 05:07.44 | batrick | so you have 8 simultaneous threads |
| 05:07.44 | Shirik | 1600MHz and 4 cores |
| 05:07.58 | Shirik | I never really agreed with hyperthreading |
| 05:08.01 | Shirik | but ok |
| 05:08.11 | batrick | I see nothing wrong with it |
| 05:08.14 | Shirik | Well I want 16 threads! |
| 05:08.14 | batrick | brb |
| 05:08.24 | Shirik | 16 penguins omg |
| 05:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I want a pont |
| 05:08.29 | Shirik | a pont? |
| 05:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | s/pont/pony/ |
| 05:08.33 | Shirik | :P |
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| 05:08.37 | Shirik | go to the pony store |
| 05:10.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I would like to strongly suggest you reconsider spending that much on a CPU |
| 05:11.11 | Shirik | maybe I can pay more when these other ones come out |
| 05:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But, if you are going to period |
| 05:11.14 | Shirik | just think, omg |
| 05:11.23 | Shirik | 2x 8 cores, 16 threads, |
| 05:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | If it actually demands water cooling, Koolance is the way to go |
| 05:11.27 | Shirik | 32 threads |
| 05:11.35 | Shirik | or maybe I can find a board with 4 sockets |
| 05:11.41 | Shirik | 64 threads simultaneous! |
| 05:11.46 | Shirik | I don't need any context switching at all! |
| 05:11.48 | kd3 | whee for beowulf on a board |
| 05:11.51 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:12.42 | Shirik | at that point you start to reach the limit of actual use, though, because in general context switching is a good thing since most of your threads are generally sitting in the blocked state |
| 05:12.47 | Shirik | no sense in having a blocked processor :P |
| 05:13.06 | Shirik | anyway, too late for this now. Night night |
| 05:13.41 | Nechckn | C ya Shirik|zZz |
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| 05:26.50 | Guest261 | hi ya just wondering is there anything wrong with cosmos as im unable to install it. |
| 05:27.04 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: ^^ |
| 05:28.00 | Guest261 | im guessing there is a prob then |
| 05:28.08 | Cairenn | what version of it did you download? .exe or .zip, and which OS? |
| 05:29.05 | Guest261 | .zip from the cosmosui.org sit and im on vista had no probs till today when i updated wow was told by a gm to reset now i have to reinstall it all.. |
| 05:29.13 | Cairenn | (why does my pinging the project lead make you think that there must be a problem? I was just trying to get the attention of the person most likely able to help you) |
| 05:29.45 | Guest261 | ahh kk :) |
| 05:30.15 | Cairenn | okay, so you downloaded the zip - where did you install it? |
| 05:30.35 | Guest261 | i cant install thts the prob i just get told error |
| 05:30.51 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 05:31.10 | Cairenn | what do you mean you just get told error? |
| 05:31.50 | Guest261 | it locks up on Fetching Distribution then i get a message box saying "there was an error communicateing with server" |
| 05:32.03 | Legorol | I can clear this up :) |
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| 05:32.18 | Legorol | First of all, Mr. Guest261, you forgot to mention poor Cairenn a crucial bit of information: |
| 05:32.31 | Legorol | You didn't "just" download the .zip file, you are actually trying to use the Cosmos patcher. |
| 05:32.43 | Legorol | Mentioning that would've caused less confusion ;-) |
| 05:32.58 | Cairenn | yeah, I got that by what he just said |
| 05:33.00 | Guest261 | ahh kk its what i DL from the site sorry :) |
| 05:33.31 | Legorol | The reason I'm nitpicking is because you can, in fact, get all the addons without using the patcher, by downloading them as zip file(s). |
| 05:33.45 | Guest261 | from where? |
| 05:33.56 | Cairenn | which was the point I was getting at ... whether it was the .zip or the .exe |
| 05:33.57 | Legorol | From the Cosmos site :) same place you got the patcher application from. |
| 05:34.19 | Cairenn | you want to download the version that ends with .zip |
| 05:34.23 | Cairenn | and manually install them |
| 05:34.37 | Legorol | Cairenn: the patcher is distributed as a zip. Hence the confusion. |
| 05:34.59 | Guest261 | yer |
| 05:35.22 | Guest261 | is there a prob with the patcher then as im used to useing it? |
| 05:35.39 | Legorol | Guest261: what you want to do is to download one of the pre-packaged compilations further down the download page, such as Cosmos_Complete, and manually extract it, without using the patcher. |
| 05:36.02 | Cairenn | apparently there is a problem somewhere along the line between yourself and the cosmos site |
| 05:36.05 | Legorol | There may be a problem with the patcher, I get the same error message as you, hence I'm inclined to beleive what the message says :) |
| 05:36.28 | Legorol | In the vast majority of cases, error messages do mean what they say. |
| 05:36.34 | Guest261 | ahh ok cool will do that in a min ty.. found it hard plating with out me addons today lol |
| 05:36.38 | laeg | i've come up with a warrior name short list |
| 05:36.41 | laeg | please tell me what you think |
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| 05:37.01 | laeg | Amuck (as in to run amok) - Brawler - Whacker - Hubbub - Brouhaha - Skirmish |
| 05:37.34 | Legorol | Cairenn: if anyone else wanders in and asks about the error message thrown by the Cosmos patcher, since it's throwing it for me too, it's most likely the patcher server is in fact fubar. |
| 05:37.42 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 05:37.57 | Legorol | tag, you are it, i'm out |
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| 05:38.26 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 05:38.30 | Guest261 | ok ty all for your help |
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| 05:43.52 | Tekkub | *moan* |
| 05:43.56 | Tekkub | Lebanon Balogna |
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| 05:47.41 | Tekkub | "On New Year's Eve, a 6 foot (2 meter) long roll of Lebanon Boloney is dropped in the town of Lebanon at the corner of Ninth and Cumberland streets to mark the New Year. The bologna is made by the Kutztown company." |
| 05:47.46 | Tekkub | PAners are so fucked up |
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| 06:27.19 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 06:30.11 | Thunder_Child | yo cncfanatics |
| 06:45.07 | bleeter | heh, so Blizz are now seemingly tracking down people who organise arena matchups in IRC and banning them for queue manipulation or somesuch |
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| 06:50.32 | Keias | hrm |
| 06:50.50 | Keias | Is anyone having increased memory usage from the WoW.exe? |
| 06:51.04 | Keias | like running upwards of like 800,000 |
| 06:51.18 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, how can they prove it |
| 06:51.52 | Thunder_Child | Keias, ram useage is directly proportional to the type/number/and coimplexity of the addon your using |
| 06:51.59 | Thunder_Child | addons* |
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| 06:53.19 | Corrodias | well, not directly proportional... |
| 06:53.43 | Corrodias | directly related, yes, but dropping your addons to 0 will not drop WoW's memory usage to 0mb |
| 06:53.47 | Keias | I'm aware. Just a lot of my guildies have been having the usage of their WoW client increase up to four times over what it was last week |
| 06:53.57 | Keias | Without as much as updating their addons |
| 06:54.01 | Corrodias | there must be -some- overhead |
| 06:54.11 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, sorry i meant extended |
| 06:56.17 | Corrodias | apology... accepted. but watch it! |
| 06:56.25 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Keias, i dont play wow |
| 06:57.04 | Corrodias | nor i |
| 06:57.14 | Thunder_Child | yes sir, Corrodias sir |
| 07:01.59 | cncfanatics | Keias: something is leaking memory most probably |
| 07:02.21 | cncfanatics | use a memory profiler to check what addon is taking so much memory |
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| 07:12.26 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: follow the IRC chat convo, if something looks 'fishy' to them, follow it up with an examinination of the behaviuour in game |
| 07:13.31 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, wait what? you lost me |
| 07:13.43 | Drundia | bleeter, they should do something smart at once and limit number of games played against the same team per week, or put some diminishing returns on results |
| 07:14.34 | Thunder_Child | brb, comp has problems |
| 07:14.52 | Thunder_Child | that seem to have stoped |
| 07:15.37 | cncfanatics | Drundia: do you want longer queues ? |
| 07:16.14 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, lol, i got it |
| 07:16.23 | Thunder_Child | it was to far back for my brain to remember |
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| 07:17.11 | Draganar | hallo |
| 07:17.23 | Thunder_Child | hello Draganar |
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| 07:18.02 | Drundia | cncfanatics, yes please. well, maybe just limit rating adjustments in same team matchups, so if no one else is playing you can play 10 games, or 20, or 100, but maximum rating change from that can be like 50. |
| 07:18.35 | Draganar | i need german support for the cosmos addons |
| 07:18.49 | MentalPower | aaaaand, we're back! |
| 07:18.51 | MentalPower | friggin windows profile going corrupt |
| 07:18.55 | cncfanatics | Draganar: most addons shld be locale independant rly |
| 07:19.11 | MentalPower | Draganar: and those that aren't should already be localized |
| 07:19.15 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: ^^^^ |
| 07:21.25 | Draganar | my english is to bad i downt understand you :( |
| 07:21.46 | Draganar | *dont |
| 07:25.27 | Draganar | can anywone german? |
| 07:26.13 | Draganar | I need a addonpacket for 2.4 wow |
| 07:26.26 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 07:26.47 | AnduinLothar | disable FriendsFacts |
| 07:27.00 | AnduinLothar | server is broken, cant upload fixes |
| 07:27.20 | Draganar | only friendfacts and then is ok? |
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| 07:27.35 | AnduinLothar | NotesUNeed might also be bugged |
| 07:27.54 | Draganar | mom pls i test it |
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| 07:28.16 | Thunder_Child | ~lart MentalPower |
| 07:28.16 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays MentalPower in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 07:29.23 | nevcairiel | Man this is weird |
| 07:29.32 | Draganar | thanks for support its works |
| 07:29.59 | nevcairiel | Why does changing the text on a blizz fontstring cause taint if that font-string is referenced in the blizz code |
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| 07:31.30 | Draganar | when running the server? |
| 07:31.45 | Kirov | nevcairiel - because there are some exploits involving attaching buttons to strings. |
| 07:32.00 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 07:32.03 | nevcairiel | stupid exploits |
| 07:32.10 | nevcairiel | now i cant fix this code |
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| 07:32.23 | Thunder_Child | Draganar, when someone gets off their ass and fixes it |
| 07:32.57 | nevcairiel | so as of 2.4.3, no addon can beautify the friendlist anymore, fun |
| 07:33.15 | nevcairiel | without disabling the raidframe, that is |
| 07:33.39 | bleeter | oO is that what it is? |
| 07:33.42 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: request templates to do so ? |
| 07:33.47 | bleeter | damn, Blizz need a better friends management thing then |
| 07:33.47 | Draganar | sorry I just wanted to ask for an estimate |
| 07:34.02 | Thunder_Child | Draganar, there isnt one |
| 07:34.20 | nevcairiel | well they changed their FriendFrame_OnShow to call FriendList_Update |
| 07:34.29 | nevcairiel | which it didnt before |
| 07:34.34 | nevcairiel | and thats spreading the taint |
| 07:35.27 | Draganar | Well, I just wait some time been running the server. |
| 07:35.31 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: couldn't we ask slouken for some kind of secure template to change the friendlist ? |
| 07:35.32 | Draganar | Thank you for your help anyway |
| 07:35.42 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: i doubt that will happen |
| 07:35.58 | Draganar | Bye times until then |
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| 07:36.35 | nevcairiel | We could post on the UI Forums asking to resolve this somehow, but its going to be a long time until its fixed either way |
| 07:36.56 | Kalroth | Make a petition! |
| 07:36.59 | Thunder_Child | "I take a whiskey drink, I take a chocolate drink. When I have to pee, I use the kitchen sink." |
| 07:37.16 | Kalroth | Thunder_Child: fun song! |
| 07:37.30 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 07:37.35 | Thunder_Child | as sung by homer |
| 07:40.46 | Drundia | They should move "raid tab" off "social pane" to avoid all that taint around... |
| 07:41.02 | Drundia | raid ui is tainted by literally everything |
| 07:41.30 | bleeter | I'd make the suggestion it should be grouped with the LFG window, as raiding is about groups |
| 07:41.45 | bleeter | and afaik bugger all addons mess with LFG UI |
| 07:41.50 | Drundia | LFG doesn't have to be secure... |
| 07:42.00 | cncfanatics | don't group it with everything :s |
| 07:42.02 | nevcairiel | actually the LFG commands are protected |
| 07:42.12 | Drundia | they are? |
| 07:42.15 | Drundia | hmmm |
| 07:42.17 | cncfanatics | indeed nevcairiel, and I do wonder why ... |
| 07:42.20 | cncfanatics | it sucks |
| 07:42.22 | bleeter | was just a thought off the top of my head |
| 07:42.54 | nevcairiel | they probably dont want automated lfg discovery or so |
| 07:43.03 | Drundia | give secure templated for everything, or just secure function buttons (arbitrary function with arbitrary arguments, everything stored in attributes) |
| 07:43.08 | bleeter | yer, that's where my mind was going, nev |
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| 07:44.51 | bleeter | so you think the chances of me getting driven completely mad by the steps problem before it's fixed is fairly high, eh? :'( |
| 07:45.05 | bleeter | ;) :P |
| 07:45.39 | Arrowmaster | hahaha |
| 07:45.42 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: why not ? |
| 07:45.49 | cncfanatics | its not like we couldn't do it with a custom addon anyway |
| 07:47.08 | bleeter | sure, you can see who's in LFG channel and their classes, but can you tell from the provid4ed UI which instances they've signed up for? |
| 07:47.37 | cncfanatics | you could write your own addon that does exactly the same as LFG |
| 07:47.42 | cncfanatics | but WAY better then what blizz did |
| 07:48.10 | bleeter | oh, I don't doubt that, but everyone would need to use it. it'd be incompatible with the default, yes? |
| 07:48.24 | cncfanatics | yes it would |
| 07:48.35 | cncfanatics | except with some hacking in the mpq, which i won't do :p |
| 07:51.34 | Kirov | why is it that (""..1) is four times faster than tostring(1)? |
| 07:52.06 | Drundia | global LFG channel for everyone was best |
| 07:52.07 | nevcairiel | its also 4 times as ugly |
| 07:52.32 | cncfanatics | Kirov: format("%d", 1); |
| 07:52.40 | cncfanatics | do that at least if you absolutely need performance :s its less ugly |
| 07:52.56 | Kalroth | nothing wrong with ""..1 imo |
| 07:53.01 | cncfanatics | format is faster |
| 07:53.04 | cncfanatics | and less ugly too |
| 07:53.06 | Kalroth | huh? |
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| 07:53.29 | cncfanatics | there no concetation in the format, only a number to string conversion, results in less garbage |
| 07:53.35 | Kalroth | so format("%d",1) is faster than ""..1 which again is faster than tostring(1)? |
| 07:53.45 | cncfanatics | ~nod |
| 07:53.45 | purl | ACTION nods |
| 07:53.58 | Kalroth | Lua is weird |
| 07:54.01 | cncfanatics | not really |
| 07:54.06 | cncfanatics | just doesn't optimize |
| 07:54.12 | Kalroth | That's also weird :p |
| 07:54.20 | Drundia | concatenating long strings takes forever |
| 07:55.08 | cncfanatics | Kalroth: not optimizing in languages that aren't compiled is not weird, at al |
| 07:55.30 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 07:55.31 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 07:55.41 | cncfanatics | optimizing takes time, so it wouldn't necessarly be a performance gain (in some cases, in the case of WoW it would probably increase load times but increase performance) |
| 07:55.41 | Kirov | 10000 iterations of format - 11ms |
| 07:55.42 | Kirov | 10000 iterations of "".. - 19 ms |
| 07:55.42 | Kirov | 10000 iterations of tostring - 22 ms |
| 07:56.04 | cncfanatics | format is twice as fast as tostring ? :o |
| 07:56.05 | cncfanatics | long |
| 07:56.06 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 07:56.15 | Kalroth | You still don't think it's weird? :) |
| 07:56.21 | nevcairiel | imho do at least a million or so |
| 07:56.22 | Thunder_Child | ~nuke Fisker- |
| 07:56.23 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Fisker- ... B☢☢M! |
| 07:57.33 | Kirov | I came across this when I was trying to see if it was faster to compare a number and a string by comparing them as two strings or two numbers. The actual compare is identical, so it was more what took longer to conver to. |
| 07:58.11 | cncfanatics | Kalroth: weird, no, funny, yes |
| 07:58.25 | cncfanatics | Kirov: why do you need that much optimization ? |
| 07:58.53 | Kirov | cncfanatics - because it's something that could happen hundreds of times a frame. |
| 07:59.10 | cncfanatics | eh, that I suspect bad coding |
| 07:59.21 | cncfanatics | something shldnt happen that often without being throttled |
| 07:59.35 | Kirov | It is throttled. :P |
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| 08:00.13 | cncfanatics | not enough then |
| 08:00.15 | Kirov | It could happen several hundred times in a frame, over a handful of frames, but not very often. |
| 08:00.23 | cncfanatics | 100 times a frames is WAY too much |
| 08:00.31 | cncfanatics | what is it you trying to do ? |
| 08:00.51 | Kirov | It's an item database addon I've been working on for the last year. |
| 08:01.10 | Kirov | More an experiment for code / method than a working addon at the moment. |
| 08:01.25 | cncfanatics | what event do you listen to that can trigger that often ? |
| 08:01.32 | Kirov | AH |
| 08:01.48 | Kirov | mousing over a large group of people |
| 08:01.55 | Kirov | (mouseover scanning of gear) |
| 08:02.11 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 08:02.18 | cncfanatics | make sure you don't noticably lag the UI, ever |
| 08:02.18 | Kirov | AH one is actually a bug at the moment. |
| 08:02.25 | Kirov | cncfanatics - I don't. |
| 08:02.39 | Kirov | well, it can in some really bad cases, but it's rare |
| 08:02.57 | Kirov | hence my optimizing. |
| 08:03.04 | Drundia | speaking about ui lag, why does it often lag for half-minute when dragging frames? |
| 08:03.14 | Kirov | At the moment it's faster and uses way way less memory than ItemSync |
| 08:03.43 | bleeter | heh, the web team broke the promotion code retreival page |
| 08:03.56 | bleeter | you cannot select your region, let alone realm or characters, for redeeming stuff |
| 08:04.08 | bleeter | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/promotion.html |
| 08:04.13 | cncfanatics | bleeter: cool |
| 08:04.21 | cncfanatics | they are against the lame tyrael pets too ! |
| 08:04.23 | Kirov | One of the first things I did with my item addon that I wanted to avoid from other item addons, when you open up the item list page it doesn't lag the interface for a second or two. |
| 08:04.46 | Kirov | it uses a coroutine in the background to do the sort, and it's still faster than most addons. |
| 08:05.27 | Kirov | ItemSync uses about 3 megs on my machine right now, 10 - 12 megs after you open up the interface. |
| 08:05.42 | Drundia | hmmm, lootlink doesn't lag when opened... |
| 08:06.12 | Kirov | My addon uses 2 megs right now and is storing full tooltips for just as many items. |
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| 08:06.39 | Kirov | With the iterface open it uses 2.4 megs |
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| 08:08.18 | Kirov | less memory usage and as much information as lootlink. |
| 08:08.21 | Kirov | ;) |
| 08:09.25 | Drundia | do you also keep there entire armory database? |
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| 08:09.31 | Drundia | item one only ofc |
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| 08:09.44 | Kirov | ofc? |
| 08:09.58 | Kirov | I don't store as much info as the armory, no. |
| 08:10.01 | cncfanatics | Kirov: do you have all the info lootlink has available ? |
| 08:10.29 | Kirov | cncfanatics - at the moment, no. But it will. |
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| 08:11.22 | Kirov | lootlink stores both the item stats and the full tooltip. |
| 08:11.42 | cncfanatics | hmmm, the cheapest to do is to store the stats |
| 08:11.43 | Kirov | I store the full tooltip only, but in a way that stores the stats in the same information. |
| 08:11.45 | cncfanatics | and rebuild the tooltip |
| 08:11.56 | cncfanatics | I'd store only the stats and rebuild the tooltip when its requested |
| 08:12.04 | cncfanatics | less memory use |
| 08:12.18 | Kirov | lootlink does both. |
| 08:12.45 | Kirov | It can construct the tooltip from the data if you turn off full tooltips, but my addon won't care. |
| 08:13.16 | Drundia | why does lootlink never construct tooltips for me when full tooltips are off? |
| 08:13.24 | cncfanatics | doing both is silly |
| 08:13.31 | cncfanatics | constructing tooltips needs less data stored |
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| 08:13.46 | cncfanatics | actualy, can't you just store itemlinks |
| 08:13.53 | cncfanatics | and request data from the server when you need the tooltip ? |
| 08:13.54 | Kirov | cncfanatics - which is why I abandoned LootLink Enhanced about 2 years ago and started working on this one. |
| 08:13.59 | Drundia | it only does basic tooltips (like armor and dps) |
| 08:14.13 | Drundia | what if server has no data? |
| 08:14.24 | Drundia | meaning refuses to send it |
| 08:14.50 | Drundia | and then scanning for some words in tooltip will take forever |
| 08:14.53 | Kirov | Technically it won't kick you off the server anymore like it used to. |
| 08:14.58 | Drundia | after patch |
| 08:15.05 | Drundia | it will kick after a few requests |
| 08:15.09 | cncfanatics | no |
| 08:15.14 | cncfanatics | they removed that long ago |
| 08:15.38 | Kirov | cncfanatics - oh, no they didn't. They just made it a lot harder. |
| 08:15.50 | Drundia | i spammed unknown items and after some requests they kick me |
| 08:16.00 | Kirov | Request enough bad links and they stop sending information to you ... ANY information ... about items. |
| 08:16.08 | Kirov | Keep trying and you'll get kicked off. |
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| 08:16.17 | cncfanatics | you do ? :o |
| 08:16.34 | cncfanatics | weird, thought they stopped with that behaviour |
| 08:16.41 | cncfanatics | then I guess storing parsed info is the cheapest way, memory wise |
| 08:16.48 | cncfanatics | its slightly more cpu intensive though |
| 08:16.49 | Kirov | They may have reduced the number down again, but at one point I couldn't even see gear that was being looted. |
| 08:17.21 | Kirov | cncfanatics - that's where my addon does stuff in a unique way. |
| 08:17.46 | Kirov | It parses all of the spell strings at startup, then never again. |
| 08:17.58 | Kirov | (by startup I mean the first time you install it, or every time there's a new patch) |
| 08:18.18 | cncfanatics | spell strings ? |
| 08:18.28 | Drundia | are you actually storing only spell id? |
| 08:18.32 | Kirov | After that, items are stored w/ the items name, and hash / numbers that represent it. |
| 08:18.39 | Kirov | Drundia - not that easy, but effectively. |
| 08:18.47 | Kirov | enchantid |
| 08:19.13 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/ItemCatalog.zip - here's an old version if you want to check it out. |
| 08:19.28 | Kirov | It seems insane, but it's still cheaper. |
| 08:19.52 | cncfanatics | so, you store itemstats & enchantids ? |
| 08:20.00 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.04 | cncfanatics | pretty effective indeed but not really insane :p |
| 08:20.10 | Kirov | cncfanatics - yes. |
| 08:20.50 | Kirov | cncfanatics - it means that parsing tooltips is just a matter of checking strings against a hash table |
| 08:21.22 | Kirov | Most of the work is already done. |
| 08:21.35 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 08:21.46 | cncfanatics | that wld take insane amounts of mem ? |
| 08:21.50 | cncfanatics | the hash table that is |
| 08:22.14 | cncfanatics | that is, if you store *every* possible thing (+1 sta, +2 sta, +3 sta, etc). But I guess you don't do that, do you ? |
| 08:23.04 | Kirov | I do |
| 08:23.08 | Kirov | and it still uses less memory |
| 08:23.19 | cncfanatics | up to what amount do you store ? |
| 08:23.23 | cncfanatics | 100 ? |
| 08:23.26 | Kirov | as many as exist |
| 08:23.31 | Kirov | let me check |
| 08:23.33 | MentalPower|ZzZz | theres not that many TBH |
| 08:23.44 | MentalPower|ZzZz | I used to mine them from the DBC files :) |
| 08:23.57 | Drundia | they didn't add any new ones in TBC |
| 08:24.07 | cncfanatics | 1-100 sta, 1-100 agi, 1-700 healing, 1-500 spelldmg |
| 08:24.08 | Drundia | with all those every numeric value |
| 08:24.16 | cncfanatics | thats already over 2k entries if I'm understanding the method right ? |
| 08:24.26 | cncfanatics | well, 1.5k actualy |
| 08:24.48 | Drundia | tbc random suffixes don't need to be stored at all as they are all calculated |
| 08:24.52 | nevcairiel | 700 healing on one item? eh? |
| 08:25.02 | cncfanatics | swp healing 2handers iirc |
| 08:25.03 | Kirov | 1670 hashes |
| 08:25.28 | Drundia | kj healing staff has 550 |
| 08:25.33 | Drundia | not 700 |
| 08:25.36 | cncfanatics | 550 then :p it was a gues |
| 08:25.37 | cncfanatics | guess* |
| 08:25.52 | Drundia | same for his 1h mace |
| 08:26.03 | Kirov | tbc random stat items are so much easier to deal with than older items. |
| 08:26.17 | Kirov | every "of the monkey" item is the same hash strings. |
| 08:26.21 | cncfanatics | wouldn't parsing it be better memory wise ? |
| 08:26.25 | Kirov | the number just changes. |
| 08:26.34 | cncfanatics | matching (%d+) Agility ain't that much work |
| 08:26.37 | Kirov | cncfanatics - maybe, but a lot slower. |
| 08:26.38 | cncfanatics | and doesn't need a huge hash table |
| 08:26.46 | cncfanatics | matching with regular expressions ain't that slow |
| 08:27.04 | nevcairiel | it is if you compare it against a hash lookup |
| 08:27.19 | cncfanatics | true, but that hash table takes huuuuge amounts of mem |
| 08:27.22 | nevcairiel | one hash lookup vs how many matches? |
| 08:27.25 | cncfanatics | and such addons kinda care about mem usage too |
| 08:27.32 | cncfanatics | one hash lookup vs one match |
| 08:27.34 | cncfanatics | afaik |
| 08:27.39 | nevcairiel | 2000 strings dont take much mem |
| 08:27.54 | Kirov | The hash table is only 1670 long. |
| 08:27.57 | nevcairiel | And you cant win with one match |
| 08:28.09 | cncfanatics | well, looking up the string 15 agility in a hash table |
| 08:28.15 | cncfanatics | or matching (%d+) agility |
| 08:28.32 | Drundia | i don't know, isn't it better to store ids of texts without numbers and then numbers? |
| 08:28.42 | nevcairiel | How do you know its agility? |
| 08:28.48 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: true :s |
| 08:29.26 | Drundia | how about gsub("%d+", string, "$") or whatever was order? |
| 08:29.30 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: same problem for him though, which means he'll have to store more data in his table |
| 08:29.41 | Drundia | now you have description with all numbers replaced by dollars |
| 08:29.44 | nevcairiel | thats no issue really |
| 08:29.55 | cncfanatics | I'd match (%d+) (%s+) |
| 08:30.00 | cncfanatics | wld give me the stat and the number |
| 08:30.12 | Kirov | not necessarily |
| 08:30.18 | Kirov | blizzard strings are evil |
| 08:30.25 | nevcairiel | Ya all stat strings are different |
| 08:30.25 | Drundia | are they? |
| 08:30.27 | nevcairiel | its evil |
| 08:30.39 | Drundia | +15 Stamina and +15 Agility are different stat |
| 08:30.51 | Kirov | If they were all truly generated, I'd have done that |
| 08:31.01 | cncfanatics | ya true |
| 08:31.05 | cncfanatics | you have mp5, spelldmg, healing too |
| 08:31.07 | cncfanatics | which are not regular |
| 08:31.18 | Drundia | you store id of "+$ Stamina" and 15 for "+15 Stamina" |
| 08:31.21 | Kirov | but they're not, which has caused thousands of issues like every trinket in the game displaying their cooldown time in a different, and often wrong way. |
| 08:31.32 | Kirov | Because for whatever reason it's inputed BY HAND |
| 08:31.35 | Drundia | but those have relatively static descriptions too |
| 08:31.45 | cncfanatics | tbh, WTB regular stat format |
| 08:31.48 | Drundia | actually, they are same DBC entries |
| 08:31.51 | cncfanatics | that is declared in globalstrings.lua |
| 08:32.27 | nevcairiel | Anyway, a hash-lookup table vs direct parsing is the old argument memory vs processing time |
| 08:32.27 | cncfanatics | what stops them from using +50 healing everywhere ? |
| 08:32.33 | nevcairiel | and imho i would always prefer memory usage |
| 08:32.48 | cncfanatics | isntead of Increases the Healing of your spells and abilities by 50 ... |
| 08:32.48 | nevcairiel | because mem is damn cheap |
| 08:32.54 | cncfanatics | true |
| 08:33.02 | Drundia | they are all stored in DBC like for example "Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to $s1." |
| 08:33.20 | cncfanatics | Drundia: that should be +$s1 spellpower |
| 08:33.25 | cncfanatics | and nothig else |
| 08:33.29 | Drundia | yes that should be |
| 08:33.33 | cncfanatics | so it matches other stats like sta, agi, str, etc |
| 08:33.44 | cncfanatics | same for mp5 and all those other stats that weren't there in beta |
| 08:33.49 | Drundia | it is becoming that in WotLK? |
| 08:34.09 | Drundia | but you still can extract from it "Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to $." assign it id and store that id and number |
| 08:35.12 | cncfanatics | yea, but needs more checking for parsing |
| 08:35.16 | cncfanatics | vs a single parse for every stat |
| 08:35.52 | Drundia | why more? |
| 08:36.08 | Drundia | replace number by dollar and everything is cool |
| 08:37.27 | cncfanatics | because you need to figure out the stat |
| 08:38.24 | cncfanatics | though I guess that cld be looked up in a table also, but still anoying |
| 08:39.06 | Shadowed | Kirov: You mean, kind of like how gems have about 4-5 different ways of displaying the stats? :p |
| 08:39.22 | Shadowed | Blizzard likes to add random inconsistancys just to screw with people |
| 08:40.07 | cncfanatics | idd |
| 08:40.11 | cncfanatics | and its fucking anoying :p |
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| 08:40.49 | Drundia | yes you use tables to convert it both ways |
| 08:42.38 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId |
| 08:43.12 | Kirov | old, but gives some fun examples of the wide range of strings available. |
| 08:43.17 | bleeter | general question for folks: Did anyone ever work out exactly what a 'sex leg' is? |
| 08:44.04 | cncfanatics | bleeter: ask the chinese |
| 08:44.19 | cncfanatics | Kirov: ya, there's tons |
| 08:44.31 | cncfanatics | I'm used to working with itemid's & spellid's here, so I know :p |
| 08:44.45 | Drundia | that stuff with gems is evil |
| 08:44.50 | cncfanatics | every different stack of conjured items actualy have a different itemids |
| 08:44.56 | cncfanatics | so that was fun to get around |
| 08:45.24 | Kirov | hehe |
| 08:45.56 | cncfanatics | had to strip the different portion out :s |
| 08:46.50 | Shadowed | Drundia, yes it is |
| 08:48.22 | Drundia | what what what? different itemids for conjured items of the same type? |
| 08:48.41 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 08:48.47 | cncfanatics | if they're not in the same stack they'll have different id's |
| 08:48.51 | cncfanatics | I had problems with that in flexbar |
| 08:48.54 | cncfanatics | had to find it out the hard way |
| 08:49.08 | cncfanatics | Drundia: try getting two stacks of conjured food |
| 08:49.11 | cncfanatics | the itemids will be the same |
| 08:49.14 | cncfanatics | but the itemlink won't |
| 08:49.23 | cncfanatics | one field of the itemlink (the last one iirc) will be different |
| 08:50.11 | Drundia | that last field isn't fully researched though i didn't check it for ages |
| 08:50.24 | cncfanatics | well, it bugged flexbar out for conjured items |
| 08:50.36 | cncfanatics | it doesn't use actiondi's but spellid's, itemlinks and macronames |
| 08:50.40 | cncfanatics | so when a stack of conjured items was out |
| 08:50.51 | cncfanatics | it stopped working and wouldn't want to start using the second stack |
| 08:51.54 | cncfanatics | shld add it to the wiki rly |
| 08:53.41 | Drundia | should ignore that uniqueid |
| 08:53.58 | Kirov | The uniqueid has been partially decoded for random suffixes |
| 08:54.35 | cncfanatics | Drundia: I stripped it out |
| 08:54.42 | cncfanatics | so thats what I did basicly :) |
| 08:55.16 | Drundia | i like item names. especially Master Healthstone that will refer to the one it finds first |
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| 08:55.33 | Drundia | and then next and then last one |
| 08:55.42 | Kirov | item:100:0:0:0:0:0:-5:1234 - makes an item with 1234 agi |
| 08:56.24 | cncfanatics | :o, Kirov intresting |
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| 08:57.03 | Kirov | take that crazy number at the end. bit.band(uniqueid,65535) == suffix factor |
| 08:57.22 | Kirov | (for items with random suffix) |
| 08:58.12 | cncfanatics | Kirov: got an idea what it means for conjured items ? |
| 08:59.19 | bleeter | btw, just discovered the 'sex leg' thing, and it's not Chinese, it's from New Zealand ;) |
| 08:59.32 | cncfanatics | what is it anyway ? |
| 08:59.35 | cncfanatics | you see it daily on forums: p |
| 08:59.36 | Kirov | cncfanatics - it seems to be a link back to who made it. |
| 08:59.44 | cncfanatics | not possible |
| 09:00.03 | Kirov | cncfanatics - hmm? |
| 09:00.32 | cncfanatics | on my mage I can conjure two stacks of food |
| 09:00.39 | cncfanatics | and they'll ghave different unique ids |
| 09:00.50 | Kirov | cncfanatics - not so much who made it as in who crafted it neccessarily, but information about who and when. |
| 09:00.51 | Drundia | no logic in those unique ids on biscuits |
| 09:01.10 | Drundia | took them from the same table |
| 09:03.20 | Kirov | possibly a random number along with it |
| 09:04.07 | Kirov | ok, I made two stacks |
| 09:04.17 | Kirov | each stack has different numbers for the unique |
| 09:04.24 | cncfanatics | as I told you :) |
| 09:04.37 | Kirov | "unstacking" they keep the same number as the original stack |
| 09:05.02 | cncfanatics | yep |
| 09:05.04 | cncfanatics | the anoying thing is |
| 09:05.08 | cncfanatics | make a secure actionbutton |
| 09:05.10 | cncfanatics | give it the type item |
| 09:05.23 | cncfanatics | and give it as item attribute the itemlink of one of the stacks |
| 09:05.31 | Drundia | stacking but not swapping will keep number of the stationary biscuits |
| 09:05.33 | cncfanatics | whn that stack is depleted it won't use the second one |
| 09:06.50 | Kirov | now that's interesting. |
| 09:06.59 | cncfanatics | what is ? :o |
| 09:07.11 | Kirov | stacked items are a single item |
| 09:07.36 | Kirov | stacking two items effectively deletes one and makes the other "2" |
| 09:07.46 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 09:07.56 | cncfanatics | thats, intresting |
| 09:08.05 | Kirov | two conjured stacks. |
| 09:08.07 | Drundia | you can unify unique ids if you want |
| 09:08.08 | Kirov | take one off each |
| 09:08.09 | cncfanatics | what happens when you stack two conjured tacks ? |
| 09:08.20 | Kirov | stack them together |
| 09:08.24 | cncfanatics | Drundia: rather strip it off & ignore it |
| 09:08.31 | Kirov | the one you moved on to the other is now the item id for them all. |
| 09:08.41 | Drundia | ignoring it is good idea in most cases |
| 09:08.56 | cncfanatics | Kirov: thats weird at best |
| 09:09.10 | Kirov | (in that stack) |
| 09:09.29 | Kirov | I'm sure there's information in there, but what it is, and why, meh |
| 09:09.45 | Drundia | small operation and all 4 stacks of bisctuits have same unique id |
| 09:09.54 | Kirov | I'm fairly possitive it's a time stamp + character identifier |
| 09:10.01 | Drundia | hash(creation time) |
| 09:10.03 | cncfanatics | can't be a timestamp |
| 09:10.07 | cncfanatics | we just proved we can unify them |
| 09:10.14 | Drundia | hash(creationtime, creator)? |
| 09:10.15 | cncfanatics | even if they're created at different moments |
| 09:10.18 | Drundia | well |
| 09:10.21 | Drundia | remaining duration |
| 09:10.25 | cncfanatics | no |
| 09:10.26 | Kirov | not really |
| 09:10.26 | Drundia | behaves in the same way |
| 09:10.38 | Kirov | like I said, one was deleted, and the other "added" to. |
| 09:10.40 | Drundia | it can be unified |
| 09:10.45 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 09:10.56 | cncfanatics | sigh at inconsistant blizz api :p |
| 09:11.12 | Kirov | When and why uniqueids are added comes down to when an item is actually created vs. copied. |
| 09:11.18 | Drundia | i think if cut gems could be stacked and kept their creator information |
| 09:11.25 | Drundia | you could unify crafter |
| 09:11.44 | cncfanatics | try with leatherworking |
| 09:11.46 | Kirov | that'd be an interesting test |
| 09:11.47 | cncfanatics | you can stack armor kits |
| 09:12.09 | Drundia | do they have creator info? |
| 09:12.36 | Kirov | That would certainly confirm if that number actually contains information about who made it, or if that is stored deeper. |
| 09:12.40 | Drundia | actually i think all stacking items don't store their creator information |
| 09:13.44 | Kirov | And creator information doesn't show on Hyperlink, only when viewing directly from your bags |
| 09:13.56 | Kirov | so it's difficult to test |
| 09:15.51 | Drundia | when inspecting too |
| 09:16.51 | Kirov | but all places where you can't actively modify the number |
| 09:16.55 | Drundia | different soul shards have different unique ids |
| 09:17.14 | cncfanatics | try with armor kits ? |
| 09:17.16 | Drundia | and all are made by me |
| 09:17.17 | cncfanatics | and mes with the stacking |
| 09:17.36 | cncfanatics | I'm starting to guess its just a precent uniqueid + 1 |
| 09:17.45 | cncfanatics | so every item serverwide has a different uniqueid |
| 09:17.49 | cncfanatics | and it doesn't mean much more then that |
| 09:18.10 | Kirov | it's more than that |
| 09:18.20 | Kirov | it has to be |
| 09:18.23 | cncfanatics | I don't think it is |
| 09:18.33 | cncfanatics | that uniqueid is probably linked serverside to more info |
| 09:18.35 | Kirov | because they're not sequential, and suffixed items it means something |
| 09:18.55 | Kirov | something very specific that doesn't require anything from the server. |
| 09:19.21 | Kirov | I'm guessing if you started to play with them like the combat flags you'd start to see some consistent information in them. |
| 09:20.14 | cncfanatics | please do :p I'm curious |
| 09:20.19 | cncfanatics | but at work atm unfortunatly |
| 09:20.45 | Kirov | I need to go to bed, but I'll probably look at it more tomorrow. |
| 09:20.51 | cncfanatics | :) |
| 09:21.04 | cncfanatics | I'm home in about 6h30 |
| 09:21.06 | cncfanatics | I might check too |
| 09:21.19 | Drundia | oh cool, allies decided to take all graveyards except relief hut. hello 40-man defense. |
| 09:22.03 | cncfanatics | they're doomed: p |
| 09:22.36 | nevcairiel | not like a 40 man defense can win you the game |
| 09:23.12 | Drundia | not even 2 mines help them |
| 09:23.19 | Drundia | reinforcement fight! |
| 09:23.39 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: if they don't come organized they'll get shot |
| 09:23.45 | cncfanatics | and evetualy lose by reinforcements |
| 09:25.10 | Kirov | ok, sleep time for me |
| 09:25.55 | cncfanatics | http://thefutureofthings.com/news/36/it-s-a-kind-of-magic-computerized-telekinesis.html intresting |
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| 09:29.25 | Drundia | oh well that's the reason why you should never assult stonehearth and iceblood graveyards |
| 09:37.53 | bleeter | oO word's getting around that Eyonix just posted to the Alpha forum that the Alpha's over and folks should keep an eye on their email boxes for the Beta lottery |
| 09:38.17 | nevcairiel | that word has been going around since yesterday already |
| 09:38.24 | bleeter | oh, hehe, k |
| 09:39.07 | nevcairiel | Rumors are, that they were planning to setup the beta servers once the 2.4.3 shitstorm ended, so next week or so |
| 09:39.28 | bleeter | would make sense, from a planning point of view |
| 09:39.37 | bleeter | as long as there were no 'killer' bugs in 2.4.3 once live |
| 09:39.44 | cncfanatics | blizz doesn't often make sense from a planning point of view |
| 09:40.06 | bleeter | personally, I think they've improved over the last year, 18 months... |
| 09:41.02 | bleeter | I can't help but wonder if that's Slouken's influence there, coming from SDL etc., straightening out some of the 'bends' |
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| 09:41.34 | bleeter | anyways, the moving to beta after 2.4.3 would also make a decent reason why they did premades on the PTR this time, to try get some load testing |
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| 10:55.44 | Fisker- | no premades on the internets bleeter |
| 11:00.15 | cnc|bored | no premades on the internetz Fisker- |
| 11:01.43 | Fisker- | indeed cnc|bored |
| 11:01.43 | Drundia | but internets don't get in and don't leak out |
| 11:01.55 | cnc|bored | yesh |
| 11:01.57 | cnc|bored | I'm bored :( |
| 11:02.11 | Drundia | premades do both |
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| 12:02.04 | Drundia | cool, client didn't receive my enchanting skill line from server |
| 12:02.22 | cnc|bored | huh ? :o |
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| 12:03.05 | Drundia | killed bug imo |
| 12:05.14 | Drundia | *killer |
| 12:05.46 | Drundia | well it's empty and doesn't show any signs of life |
| 12:06.25 | cnc|bored | I'm not sure I'm quite following you |
| 12:06.59 | Drundia | well, i open enchanting and no skills there |
| 12:07.05 | Drundia | like i can't do anything |
| 12:07.28 | Drundia | and nothing makes it show |
| 12:07.35 | cnc|bored | oh |
| 12:07.46 | Drundia | though it seems zoning fixed it |
| 12:07.57 | Drundia | but why was it empty? |
| 12:08.17 | cnc|bored | buggy |
| 12:08.49 | Drundia | new patch new bugs |
| 12:08.51 | Drundia | as always |
| 12:08.56 | cnc|bored | hehe |
| 12:08.58 | cnc|bored | so true |
| 12:09.03 | Arrowmaster | its because your cache is reset |
| 12:10.05 | Drundia | i used it after patch |
| 12:10.34 | Drundia | took zoning to fix it |
| 12:11.59 | Drundia | and those cursed interface options always keep re-showing cloak... |
| 12:13.22 | Drundia | when will 2 year old interface bugs be fixed? or is literally everyone using addons and don't notice those bugs for that reason. |
| 12:14.43 | cnc|bored | the later |
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| 13:15.24 | Industrial | hihihi |
| 13:15.24 | Industrial | so cute |
| 13:15.32 | Industrial | this gnome dismounts |
| 13:15.34 | Industrial | im on my elekk |
| 13:15.39 | Industrial | stands in front of me and goes |
| 13:15.41 | Industrial | ":O" |
| 13:15.46 | Industrial | "HUEG" |
| 13:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | Adorable |
| 13:16.03 | Industrial | so i dismount and mount my bird and fly just above him and tell him to jump |
| 13:16.06 | Industrial | he couldnt reach |
| 13:16.09 | Industrial | ^__________^ |
| 13:16.17 | cnc|bored | reroll horde |
| 13:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | Meanie |
| 13:16.29 | cnc|bored | everyone should roll horde so they can stomp taurens |
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| 13:16.34 | cnc|bored | and shove a stick up their bum |
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| 13:22.56 | bleeter | Cairenn: ping |
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| 13:42.33 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 13:42.34 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
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| 13:55.24 | foxlit | hurray for 15 points |
| 13:58.37 | Shirik | rofl, so my dad's a patent lawyer; he sent me an email today |
| 13:58.43 | Shirik | Matthew: I thought you'd find the attached article interesting -- copyright lawsuit involving World of Warcraft. -Dad |
| 13:58.49 | Shirik | I told him he's slow :P |
| 13:59.06 | Fisker- | good job |
| 13:59.56 | Fisker- | Have they finished the verdict yet btw? |
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| 14:00.59 | Shirik | oh this is interesting |
| 14:01.10 | bleeter | Fisker-: I don't think so |
| 14:01.12 | Shirik | “We're not happy with the ruling, but we do believe we have very good |
| 14:01.12 | Shirik | grounds for appeal and ultimately we'll be successful,” Venable said. |
| 14:01.19 | Shirik | so it looks like they'll be appealing |
| 14:02.04 | Fisker- | Well if the verdict is to shut down the site don't they have to until the appeal have been done? |
| 14:02.17 | bleeter | well in the ruling they handed down, the 9th said something like 'there was stuff presented that whilst would seem convincing, we can't take on as it's not in this court's jurisdiction to listen to new argument, only rule on established 9th circuit law' |
| 14:02.28 | bleeter | with regards to the 3rd party submission |
| 14:02.35 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker-, depends on lawyer-juggle, injunctions, counter-injunctions, etc etc. |
| 14:02.42 | bleeter | anyways, as I understand, the only way that 3rd party can really be taken, is in the appeal |
| 14:03.12 | bleeter | so yeah, the way I read that bit of the ruling was 'if this were an appeal, we'd prolly find differently, but it isn't so we can't' |
| 14:03.27 | bleeter | strange days, indeed |
| 14:03.40 | malreth | :O |
| 14:03.46 | malreth | nuuuuuuuu!!!! |
| 14:05.12 | malreth | i recommend bleach... you don't know where Fisker- has been |
| 14:05.29 | Fisker- | Then i recommend cyanide pills |
| 14:05.31 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 14:05.32 | Lopeppeppy | I want lips left afterward, gargling bleach is bad for the skin. |
| 14:05.36 | cladhaire | the google code jam problems suck =( |
| 14:05.44 | Fisker- | jam is awesome |
| 14:05.58 | malreth | nuke 'em from orbit. it's the only way to be sure, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:06.25 | malreth | so, this is front page news on the campus newspaper: http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2008/07/17/TopStories/Ut.Employee.Sued.For.False.Web.Story-3391993.shtml |
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| 14:06.47 | malreth | the employee talked about is a cow-orker of mine... has an office right next to mine |
| 14:06.58 | bleeter | um um um... nah, I wont' go there Lopeppeppy, yer safe ;) :P |
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| 14:07.25 | bleeter | oO Malreth used cow-orker! three cheers for Malreth! |
| 14:07.39 | malreth | karma me my bitches! |
| 14:07.44 | bleeter | kk |
| 14:07.47 | bleeter | malreth++ |
| 14:08.05 | bleeter | btw, minus several bazillion for that stupid long URL :P |
| 14:08.10 | sacarasc | malreth-- |
| 14:08.44 | Fisker- | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36747.html <-best trailer ever btw |
| 14:08.48 | foxlit | http://code.google.com/codejam/ : "You have no friends" :( |
| 14:09.03 | Fisker- | >:) |
| 14:09.07 | Fisker- | >:3 as well |
| 14:09.52 | cladhaire | I can't figure out what is wrong with my solution to the first problem |
| 14:09.55 | cladhaire | oh well |
| 14:10.01 | cladhaire | i solved all the practice problems just fine |
| 14:10.10 | cladhaire | just gives me an excuse to not continue with it :P |
| 14:10.32 | foxlit | Boo, hiss :) |
| 14:10.53 | bleeter | cladhaire: if needs be, you can always resort to what the rest of the internet does |
| 14:10.56 | bleeter | and blame me |
| 14:11.23 | foxlit | why is that trailer so damn painful to watch?! |
| 14:11.44 | cladhaire | schweet! |
| 14:11.55 | cladhaire | has anyone ever seen the movie short bus |
| 14:11.56 | cladhaire | ? |
| 14:11.56 | foxlit | [and they're cheating -- there's no actual game in that mess] |
| 14:12.28 | bleeter | btw, US platers, just so you know, looks like GM ticket service times are out at somewhere between 7 and 13 hours at the moment |
| 14:12.36 | cladhaire | due to Titan Panel |
| 14:12.36 | Josh_Borke | do you have to register to do the practice problems? |
| 14:12.37 | bleeter | so you may just be better off emailing them |
| 14:12.58 | foxlit | If you can't see them without logging in, you might |
| 14:15.09 | Industrial | titan panel should just die with its past :| |
| 14:15.57 | malreth | yes. Titan Panel is dead! Long live LibDataBroker! |
| 14:16.00 | Industrial | stubborn people not wanting to invest energy in learning how addons work, sticking with what nice in the past and totally outdated now |
| 14:16.15 | Industrial | almost sounde like, shock, the work floor |
| 14:16.17 | Industrial | xD |
| 14:16.28 | Industrial | s/de/ds/ |
| 14:16.34 | foxlit | Who cares, though :) |
| 14:16.42 | foxlit | If it works, it can continue to exist |
| 14:17.56 | foxlit | [plus, periodically breaking is a major advantage - gives people an incentive to update] |
| 14:18.26 | cnc|bored | foxlit: I doubt there will be huge breaking anywhere soon |
| 14:18.36 | foxlit | Ah, see, that's where you're behind |
| 14:18.50 | bleeter | so what was this about friendsframe being 'broken' for us all? |
| 14:19.30 | foxlit | if isTooOld(select(3, GetBuildInfo())) then breakEverything() end |
| 14:19.42 | bleeter | can't recall who was poking it before, update's being called by blizz straight after show so you cant pretty it up yerself, or something, anymore :( |
| 14:20.54 | laeg | from the forums: |
| 14:20.57 | laeg | So with the word Scandinavia you mean people that speak swedish, fin, norway etc. |
| 14:21.00 | laeg | Or do they all speak the same language? |
| 14:21.01 | laeg | lmfao! |
| 14:21.25 | bleeter | sh, was nev. was saying you can pretty it, but yuou've gotta disable the raid frame. oh well. |
| 14:21.35 | malreth | Scandinavia is like unicorns. people talk about them, but i don't think they exists |
| 14:22.01 | bleeter | Silly person, everone knows Scandinavia doesn't exist. It's like Canada |
| 14:22.17 | bleeter | Canada -> Canadia, Scandinavia -> Scandanaria.. doh |
| 14:22.48 | nevcairiel | ya due to the fontstring tainting the whole execution just ebcause i changed its text o.O |
| 14:23.30 | malreth | speaking of taint, what's with /click and ControlFreak? |
| 14:24.36 | malreth | i've been getting all kinds of taint errors with this last patch |
| 14:24.49 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.55 | bleeter | so I heard, anyways |
| 14:25.42 | malreth | that's what Tekkub said but i can never trust him... not after... last summer... (*sigh*) |
| 14:25.48 | bleeter | haha |
| 14:25.55 | alestane | There was a sneaky exploit for /click before; I believe it's been fixed but the fix basically fried /click in the process. It's fixable but not without a patch. |
| 14:26.35 | alestane | Anyone know if there's a handy Java interpreter like the web-lua hosted on wowprogramming? |
| 14:26.36 | malreth | so... in three months |
| 14:27.15 | alestane | I'm pretty sure they don't want to do any more patches until 3.0 unless something comes up that's "critical". |
| 14:28.01 | bleeter | if i've gotta put up with these steps for three months, I'll scream |
| 14:28.13 | bleeter | no, I tell a lie, I've already screamed a few times ;) :P |
| 14:29.01 | cnc|bored | malreth: I'd suspect its protected so you can't :p |
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| 14:29.26 | alestane | malreth: I'd think you'd just want to unregister the frame that catches "ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN" and raises the dialog... |
| 14:29.39 | malreth | alestane: that works too |
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| 14:29.59 | malreth | since ControlFreak works just fine regardless |
| 14:30.25 | malreth | Bongos3 was also having the same problem |
| 14:30.32 | malreth | but with every button i pressed |
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| 14:30.50 | malreth | really annoying to deal with when on a badge run in Kara |
| 14:31.25 | malreth | in other news, Dominos is a really nice action bar mod. |
| 14:32.14 | cnc|bored | flexbar ftw :p |
| 14:32.32 | malreth | after switching from BT3 to Bongos3 to BT4 back to Bongos3 and finally now to Dominos, I'm getting *really* good at re-setting and reconfiguring action bars |
| 14:33.25 | cnc|bored | :p |
| 14:33.37 | cnc|bored | try flexbar3 (no slashcommands or GUI) only API :D |
| 14:33.55 | malreth | NO U |
| 14:34.02 | cnc|bored | :) |
| 14:34.07 | cnc|bored | finishing the coding on it atm |
| 14:34.25 | cnc|bored | when I finished config'ing it on my druid and it runs bugfree for a while i'll start working on slashcommands |
| 14:34.27 | cnc|bored | and then gui |
| 14:35.30 | alestane | I'm trying to write a parser that takes a single line which should consist of an alphabetical command followed by one or two numeric parameters, each of which MAY be preceded by a modifier. I'm trying to make it fairly forgiving of whitespace or separator characters like commas. |
| 14:35.48 | cnc|bored | time to go home |
| 14:35.49 | cnc|bored | cya all |
| 14:35.54 | alestane | Does String[] breakdown = line.split("^[\s]*([a-zA-Z]+)[^#*@-\d]*([@#*]?)[\s]*(-?[\d]+)[^#*@-\d]*([@#*]?)[\s]*(-?[\d]*)"); work okay for am I better off breaking it down step by step? |
| 14:36.13 | malreth | alestane: your keyboard appears to be broken |
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| 14:36.47 | alestane | malreth: To what do you refer? |
| 14:37.23 | malreth | did you roll your face across the keyboard to type out that last line? |
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| 14:37.41 | alestane | No, welcome to the wonderful world of regular expressions. |
| 14:38.02 | alestane | Yes, it does look kind of like dingbats. |
| 14:38.03 | malreth | it doesn't look very "regular" to me |
| 14:39.30 | Fisker- | duh |
| 14:39.43 | Fisker- | It's supposed to FIND regular expression not BE a regular expression :P |
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| 14:46.45 | Shirik | alestane |
| 14:46.52 | Shirik | how long did that take you to make |
| 14:47.00 | Shirik | I'm not even trying to read that, I'm opening regexbuddy for it |
| 14:47.11 | alestane | I don't know, 10-15 minutes? |
| 14:47.11 | Shirik | also, you have a problem there |
| 14:47.21 | Shirik | I do believe you have a slight bug in it |
| 14:47.26 | Shirik | your \ should be \\ |
| 14:47.43 | Shirik | because Java will compile \s into s |
| 14:47.54 | Shirik | but you need the regex compiler to see \s |
| 14:48.17 | alestane | I'm new to Java's implementation of regexes. |
| 14:48.26 | Shirik | It's not really anything special about Java |
| 14:48.32 | Shirik | it's just that Java uses \ as the escape character as well |
| 14:48.35 | Shirik | much like \t or \n |
| 14:48.43 | Shirik | So it will interpret \s as a Java escape |
| 14:48.59 | alestane | And insert the character, if any, associated with \s/ |
| 14:48.59 | Shirik | You need to push the backslash through to the regex compiler, so you want \\s |
| 14:49.05 | Shirik | right |
| 14:49.25 | alestane | (\s/ = yuan-ti cheer). |
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| 14:49.30 | Shirik | I mean, what you say works fine though |
| 14:49.41 | Shirik | it makes my head explode though :P |
| 14:50.08 | alestane | The regex makes sense for the patterns I want to isolate? |
| 14:50.52 | Shirik | since, as far as I can tell, you want all-or-none and the identifier to split on is not constant |
| 14:50.53 | Shirik | then yes |
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| 14:52.01 | alestane | For instance, "new *5, #7" |
| 14:52.17 | Shirik | regexbuddy says this is the string you should use in Java, btw: "^[\\s]*([a-zA-Z]+)[^#*@-\\d]*([@#*]?)[\\s]*(-?[\\d]+)[^#*@-\\d]*([@#*]?)[\\s]*(-?[\\d]*)" |
| 14:52.22 | Shirik | much like what I said to you :) |
| 14:52.24 | alestane | I need to know "new", "*", "5", "#", "7". |
| 14:53.07 | alestane | Or for "jump -5" I need "jump", "", "-5". |
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| 14:53.34 | Shirik | I agree with the way you did it, but only if you're only matching one line |
| 14:53.35 | malreth | Did Blizzard add the /in command with the last patch? |
| 14:53.42 | Shirik | if you're going to reuse this, you want to do something different |
| 14:54.07 | Shirik | because that's a pretty complex regular expression, you don't want to recompile it every time |
| 14:54.14 | alestane | It's supposed to parse one line at a time. It's a concurrent assembly interpreter. |
| 14:54.29 | Shirik | so that's being used several times in a loop? |
| 14:54.44 | alestane | It's for a sort of petri dish simulator. Each cell has several lines of assembly instructions. |
| 14:54.49 | Shirik | If that's the case, you'll want to create a Pattern object in it |
| 14:54.55 | Shirik | s/in/with/ |
| 14:55.01 | alestane | On one cycle through the dish, each cell executes one instruction. |
| 14:55.02 | Shirik | and then a Matcher object |
| 14:55.20 | Shirik | that's kinda cool alestane :P |
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| 14:56.02 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 14:56.06 | Shirik | >>> return table.copy |
| 14:56.07 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 14:56.08 | alestane | Shirik: explain a little about patterns and matchers. The Sun tutorial confused me more than it enlightened me. |
| 14:56.10 | Cide | hi |
| 14:56.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:56.16 | Cide | is that a new func? |
| 14:56.22 | Shirik | I dunno, I saw it on lua-l |
| 14:56.24 | Shirik | I was curious |
| 14:56.37 | Shirik | alestane: It's actually pretty simple. Sun's tutorials are horrible. |
| 14:56.38 | Cide | don't think so.. |
| 14:56.47 | cladhaire | anyone here doing google code jam? |
| 14:56.55 | Shirik | what's that? |
| 14:57.13 | Shirik | alestane: First you want to create the "Pattern" object, which is basically turning your regex into something that is compiled so it can run fast |
| 14:57.15 | Shirik | Pattern regex = Pattern.compile("^[\\s]*([a-zA-Z]+)[^#*@-\\d]*([@#*]?)[\\s]*(-?[\\d]+)[^#*@-\\d]*([@#*]?)[\\s]*(-?[\\d]*)", |
| 14:57.31 | Shirik | eh |
| 14:57.33 | Shirik | sorry, multiple lines |
| 14:57.38 | Shirik | Pattern regex = Pattern.compile("^[\\s]*([a-zA-Z]+)[^#*@-\\d]*([@#*]?)[\\s]*(-?[\\d]+)[^#*@-\\d]*([@#*]?)[\\s]*(-?[\\d]*)", |
| 14:57.38 | Shirik | Pattern.CANON_EQ | Pattern.MULTILINE); |
| 14:57.46 | alestane | So I could make a pattern that was a static member of the Cell class and all the cells could refer to it. |
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| 14:57.56 | Shirik | right |
| 14:58.19 | cladhaire | Shirik: http://code.google.com/codejam |
| 14:58.23 | Shirik | then, when you get a new string, what you would do is |
| 14:58.36 | Shirik | Matcher regexMatcher = regex.matcher(subjectString); |
| 14:58.41 | selckin | alestane: antlr? |
| 14:58.53 | Shirik | that takes the compiled regex and turns it into a "Matcher" object for the given string |
| 14:59.11 | Shirik | you then have two options: Use regexMatcher.matches() to determine if the string matches |
| 14:59.21 | Shirik | and use regexMatcher.group(n) to get the given capture |
| 14:59.34 | Shirik | group 0 is the entire string, group 1 is the first capture, group 2 is the second capture, etc. |
| 14:59.44 | alestane | selckin: That made no sense to me. |
| 15:00.06 | selckin | alestane: can use it create a proper parser instead of regex haxery |
| 15:00.14 | Shirik | aren't I a little late, cladhaire? |
| 15:00.21 | cladhaire | you have 8 hours |
| 15:00.27 | cladhaire | to complete one problem |
| 15:00.32 | Shirik | is it hard? :P |
| 15:00.40 | cladhaire | its not easy |
| 15:00.53 | cladhaire | i'm having issues with problem A, cause I have no idea why my solution isn't correct. |
| 15:01.00 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:01.12 | cladhaire | every run I try, it seems to give me the correct answers |
| 15:01.57 | cladhaire | I have to say I liked topcoder better |
| 15:02.57 | alestane | selckin: the language I'm trying to parse is simple enough that I think I probably prefer this approach, especially since the lines are executed independently of each other. |
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| 15:08.46 | Shirik | ah that's not too hard cladhaire |
| 15:08.54 | cladhaire | i thought so too |
| 15:09.00 | cladhaire | had my solution in like 8 minutes or so |
| 15:09.02 | cladhaire | however |
| 15:09.03 | Shirik | wait |
| 15:09.06 | Shirik | I only have to do A, B, or C? |
| 15:09.06 | cladhaire | its apparently fucked somewhere :P |
| 15:09.09 | Shirik | I only saw A, lol |
| 15:09.18 | cladhaire | you have to solve one large and one small problem set |
| 15:09.20 | cladhaire | to qualify |
| 15:09.24 | cladhaire | i chose A |
| 15:09.42 | Shirik | I'll choose A as well, it seems decently straighforward |
| 15:10.18 | cladhaire | so with Servers: A,B |
| 15:10.22 | cladhaire | and Queries: A,B,A,B |
| 15:10.28 | cladhaire | there are 3 switches, right? |
| 15:10.40 | cladhaire | or am i a complete idiot? |
| 15:10.41 | Shirik | no 2 |
| 15:10.50 | cladhaire | how are there only 2 switches there? |
| 15:10.51 | Shirik | Start with B, switch to A at 2, switch to B at 4 |
| 15:11.04 | cladhaire | you can't serve query 3 with server A |
| 15:11.11 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 15:11.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:11.13 | cladhaire | A - serve with B |
| 15:11.13 | cladhaire | B - SWITCH, serve with A |
| 15:11.15 | cladhaire | A - SWITCH, serve with B |
| 15:11.17 | cladhaire | B - SWITCH, serve with A |
| 15:11.23 | cladhaire | right? |
| 15:11.24 | Shirik | are you in #gcj |
| 15:11.25 | Shirik | ? |
| 15:11.30 | cladhaire | you can't talk in that channel |
| 15:11.33 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:11.34 | Shirik | ah |
| 15:11.37 | cladhaire | to prevent people from posting answers and shit |
| 15:11.43 | cladhaire | not that people won't cheat elsewhere |
| 15:11.48 | cladhaire | like all the people in my compsci program |
| 15:12.11 | cladhaire | i dont even care about qualifying at this point.. i want the time to be up so i can figure out what my solution is failing on |
| 15:12.19 | Shirik | lol |
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| 15:15.54 | Josh_Borke | i can't be bothered to register to see the problem :-( |
| 15:21.02 | Tain | Is it like Teddy's Jam? Jam... ooh Jam... Google Jam for me yeaaah |
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| 15:25.01 | DARKGuy | I hate RAAM |
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| 15:35.49 | Drundia | weird addon action blocked messages.... |
| 15:37.17 | cog|away | Is there anything you can put in a building to increase cell reception inside it? |
| 15:37.50 | durcyn | yeah, a cell tower. |
| 15:38.15 | AckisWork | probably the type of materials... the only thing I've looked at is how to contain wireless signals, and the type of materials for walls/etc affect it immensly |
| 15:38.40 | AckisWork | ie: copper = bad |
| 15:38.51 | cog|work | aye |
| 15:39.00 | cog|work | most people seem to want the opposite of what i'm asking :P |
| 15:39.14 | AckisWork | you might also be able to set up booster type things... same concept of what you do with wireless lans |
| 15:39.24 | cog|work | that's kind of what i was thinking |
| 15:39.30 | sioraiocht | Shirik: EW |
| 15:39.35 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 15:39.42 | Shirik | Hey, I even interned my strings, ok? |
| 15:39.45 | AckisWork | yah, but you can use some logic and just reverse what the advice is... to block you use copper lining on windows for example... well, to increase, don't use copper lining |
| 15:39.47 | Shirik | And no, I'm not using std::string |
| 15:40.03 | Shirik | in fact, I haven't used std at all yet |
| 15:41.03 | cog|work | AckisWork: the problem isn't the materials of what's going up... it's the materials of what's already here. It's at a winery and we have lots of large metal+concrete structures |
| 15:41.23 | AckisWork | ahh ok, wasn't sure of the context (ie: new building vs existing building) |
| 15:41.40 | cog|work | signal booster seems the best but i've no idea where to start looking :P (besides google) |
| 15:42.31 | Vangual | ebay, maybe next to the wlan cable offers? ;) |
| 15:45.25 | ZealotOnAStick | they've got these things that are $150ish or so, I think, that stick an antenna on the outside and a transmitter on the inside. |
| 15:45.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Well, transceiver, I'd guess. |
| 15:45.36 | alestane | cog|work: I believe it's called a repeater. |
| 15:45.55 | cog|work | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000J2XZ1K/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 15:46.31 | ZealotOnAStick | If you can, you might try to hook the metal structure up to the transceiver on the inside. Then you'd have this massive antenna. |
| 15:46.39 | ZealotOnAStick | rather than your near faraday cage. |
| 15:46.55 | cog|work | Well, the new office isn't built yet, so I won't have a chance to test my phone for a month or two... maybe it'll just work :P |
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| 15:47.21 | cog|work | but right now i have to keep it off or it drains the battery in about 3 hours as it keeps gaining/losing signal |
| 15:48.29 | ZealotOnAStick | http://www.repeaterstore.com/products/repeaterkits/wi-ex/zboost-zp-wireless.html?=nt |
| 15:50.15 | cog|work | too weak imo... If I lay down with my feet at the unit, i'll be at max range >< |
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| 15:50.41 | ZealotOnAStick | that repeaterstore site looks like a decent resource though. |
| 15:51.57 | cog|work | luckily my boss errs on the side of overkill when it comes to technology... I'm sure i'll have no trouble convincing him to get one of the pricey ones ;) |
| 15:52.40 | malreth | cog|work: I don't think this Halina fellow is being straight with us |
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| 15:54.16 | Karego | good day everyone! |
| 15:54.46 | Karego | can anyone please answer to questions on images? |
| 15:54.48 | DARKGuy | o hai |
| 15:54.56 | cog|work | ~asktoask |
| 15:54.56 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 15:55.00 | DARKGuy | an image means more than a thousand words. |
| 15:55.02 | DARKGuy | next! |
| 15:55.17 | Karego | 1: does WoW support TGA and if so — how do i save em from photoshop? |
| 15:55.32 | wereHamster | yes to the first question |
| 15:55.54 | Karego | 2: how do i address image if it resides in WoW Folder\Addons\Textures? |
| 15:56.21 | wereHamster | "AddOns\\Textures\\XXX.tga" |
| 15:56.40 | cog|work | Interface\AddOns\Textures\Xxx |
| 15:56.48 | wereHamster | oh, oops -.- |
| 15:56.51 | Karego | doesn't seem to load ( |
| 15:56.51 | cog|work | you don't need to specify .tga |
| 15:57.05 | cog|work | but you do need to double-up on the \s in lua strings |
| 15:57.06 | Karego | here |
| 15:57.11 | Karego | here's what i do: frame:SetBackdrop({bgFile = "Interface\\Addons\\Textures\\bg3", tile = true, tileSize = 16}) |
| 15:57.15 | wereHamster | are you loading the texture from a xml file or a lua file? |
| 15:57.23 | Karego | lua |
| 15:57.27 | cog|work | also, Textures has to be a loaded addon with toc etc. afaik |
| 15:57.57 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 15:57.59 | cog|work | also, it's AddOns, not Addons (though that probably doesn't make a huge difference) |
| 15:58.04 | nevcairiel | You can reference any file in your addon dir |
| 15:58.05 | Karego | so, i have to specify every image in .toc before? |
| 15:58.11 | wereHamster | no |
| 15:58.15 | cog|work | nevcairiel: good to know :) |
| 15:58.48 | cog|work | the file does need to exist befare the game is loaded |
| 15:58.49 | wereHamster | Karego: the backdrop file has to have special dimensions .. |
| 15:58.49 | Karego | changed to 'AddOns' (/shy) still doesn't load |
| 15:58.51 | alestane | Is it in a Textures folder right out in AddOns, or is the Textures folder inside your add-on's folder, i.e. "Interface\\AddOns\\MyAddOn\\Textures\\bg3"? |
| 15:59.38 | Karego | oh, maybe that's the reason, cog|work… will try to relaunch now |
| 15:59.43 | cog|work | it also has to have sides that are powers of two up to 512 pixels |
| 16:00.04 | Karego | texture's 64x64, i know bout that twos |
| 16:00.07 | cog|work | and it must be 24 bit or 32 bit+alpha |
| 16:00.22 | Karego | yup |
| 16:00.30 | alestane | In Lua, you can also use strict literals, like bgFile = [[Interface\Addons\Textures\bg3]], and not have to worry about escape sequences. |
| 16:00.55 | wereHamster | no, a square backdrop file won't work |
| 16:01.16 | wereHamster | it has to be [height]x[height*4] |
| 16:01.19 | wereHamster | IIRC |
| 16:01.37 | cog|work | wereHamster: it should scale it appropriately |
| 16:01.49 | wereHamster | otherwise, how's WoW supposed to know where the different parts of the backdrop are |
| 16:01.55 | Fisker- | itsma him cog|work |
| 16:02.13 | Karego | great! works perfectly after relaunch! thanks :) |
| 16:02.14 | cog|work | wereHamster: all teh components are split apart horizontally in proportion to the width of the image |
| 16:02.38 | Karego | wereHamster, you must be talking about borders, right? |
| 16:02.43 | cog|work | and stretched to fit whatever part of the backdrop they go to |
| 16:02.59 | wereHamster | err.. yes Karego. Sorry about the confusion |
| 16:03.03 | cog|work | oh me too |
| 16:03.04 | cog|work | heh |
| 16:03.30 | Karego | one more: does RLE compression matter when saving TGAs? |
| 16:04.08 | cog|work | I've heard varying reports... it always works uncompressed, though |
| 16:04.31 | Karego | ok, should stick to that… thanks again :) |
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| 16:13.58 | cog|work | malreth: if you hadn't said that, i'd've accused him of being you... |
| 16:14.00 | cog|work | :P |
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| 16:16.29 | cncfanatics | anyone can tell me how to change the local environment in lua ? |
| 16:16.43 | malreth | cog|work: "I only speak the truth. I only speak the truth. I only speak the truth. I only speak the truth. Chhama chhama... chhama chhama baaje re merii pai njaniyaan (bells)" |
| 16:16.43 | alestane | setfenv(1, new_env)? |
| 16:16.53 | cncfanatics | ty alestane, I supose new_env is a table ? |
| 16:17.33 | alestane | If new_env is a table, it will ghange the environment of the function calling setfenv to new_env. Otherwise you will get an error. |
| 16:17.48 | alestane | change* |
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| 16:19.09 | malreth | ~yuri alestane |
| 16:19.09 | purl | ACTION and alestane exchange sweet, long glances at each other amidst a background of pastel flowers and that's all that ever happens. Ever. |
| 16:19.26 | alestane | malreth: WTF? |
| 16:19.34 | ZealotOnAStick | ~utena |
| 16:19.37 | malreth | yeah i know... there's never any payoff |
| 16:19.45 | cog|work | malreth: if I ever make a new RP gnome, he's going to be named Toulouse |
| 16:20.02 | alestane | I know to what "yuri" refers, but where the heck did that come from? |
| 16:20.27 | malreth | cog|work: good catch! |
| 16:20.30 | ZealotOnAStick | ~yaoi malreth |
| 16:20.31 | purl | ACTION acts all interested in malreth but really it's just a whole bunch of angst with no naked payoff in the end. Figures. |
| 16:21.05 | cog|work | To be more linguistically accurate, it would be a dwarf, but ... that just wouldn't fit right :P |
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| 16:21.32 | malreth | ~panchira ZealotOnAStick |
| 16:21.33 | purl | ACTION flips ZealotOnAStick's skirt up. Ooh... Flowers! |
| 16:21.44 | ZealotOnAStick | ~malreth |
| 16:21.45 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 16:26.21 | nevcairiel | man god bless distcc |
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| 16:36.59 | malreth | man... that song just STICKS in your head |
| 16:37.15 | kamdis | Yes, and now it's in all of our heads! :-P |
| 16:37.53 | malreth | it's a good song, tho |
| 16:45.00 | Drundia | seriously, why does it say "addon action blocked" when i click my macro first time after ui load, but works properly after? |
| 16:45.13 | malreth | Drundia: known bug |
| 16:45.16 | nevcairiel | only complaining once? :) |
| 16:45.16 | Drundia | it's /click that chains some /cast |
| 16:45.19 | Drundia | yes |
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| 16:46.01 | malreth | it'll be fixed in a future patch |
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| 16:47.46 | alestane | Shirik: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91489 is there a cleaner way to do that in Java? It's ridiculously easy in Lua and pretty simple in C but I don't think that C structure works in Java. |
| 16:48.27 | Shirik | can't talk right now |
| 16:48.28 | Shirik | brb |
| 16:48.48 | foxlit | HashMap |
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| 16:48.51 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 16:48.53 | nevcairiel | a HashMap |
| 16:49.10 | nevcairiel | HashMap<String, whatevertypeyourconstantis> |
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| 16:49.27 | Wikwocket | was just going to say, some kind of lookup array |
| 16:49.36 | nevcairiel | thats a hashmap :) |
| 16:51.13 | alestane | I'll look into that later, thanks. |
| 16:52.23 | wereHamster | alestane: 'pretty simple in C'? I don't see any simple way how to do that in C |
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| 16:55.37 | cncfanatics | anyone can tell me how to setup a basic MessageFrame & an EditBox ? |
| 16:57.17 | wereHamster | shouldn't be any different then any other frame |
| 16:57.41 | nevcairiel | you need to tag a fontinstance onto those to make them work |
| 16:57.44 | cncfanatics | it won't show up anything if you just CreateFrame & anchor it somewhere |
| 16:57.44 | nevcairiel | but thats all |
| 16:57.50 | cncfanatics | ah yea |
| 16:58.01 | cncfanatics | GameFontNormal should do ? |
| 16:58.12 | nevcairiel | just do :SetFontObject(...) |
| 16:58.13 | nevcairiel | yeha |
| 16:58.18 | nevcairiel | or ChatFontNormal |
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| 17:02.02 | cncfanatics | any easy way to make a frame dragable & resizable ? |
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| 17:07.33 | Seerah | dragable, sure |
| 17:07.41 | Seerah | resizable, not so sure, cnc |
| 17:08.29 | wereHamster | cncfanatics: enable mouse, in onmousedown do this:startmoving() or something like that |
| 17:08.44 | Seerah | frame:EnableMouse(true) SetScript OnDragStart() or OnMouseDown yeah... |
| 17:09.22 | wereHamster | maybe there's even a this:startresizing(). In onmousedown do this:stopmovingorresizing() |
| 17:09.24 | Kirov | cncfanatics - did you ever play with the uniqueid? |
| 17:09.25 | Seerah | then OnDragStop or OnMouseUp StopMoving() |
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| 17:10.41 | cncfanatics | Kirov: not much |
| 17:10.41 | cncfanatics | a bit when coding flexbar |
| 17:11.43 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/91501 what am I missing here ? |
| 17:11.45 | cncfanatics | nothing shows up |
| 17:12.24 | foxlit | It's empty? |
| 17:12.42 | Seerah | fyi, I got yelled at for trying to use SetUserPlaced |
| 17:12.52 | Seerah | (well, not *technically* yelled at) |
| 17:12.52 | foxlit | i.e. ":AddMessage" |
| 17:13.08 | cncfanatics | hmmm, ah yea |
| 17:13.09 | cncfanatics | silly me |
| 17:13.12 | cncfanatics | gonna set a background to it |
| 17:13.24 | Seerah | I was told that it doesn't always work and it sucks, and when I was trying it I did find I was having issues with it |
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| 17:13.59 | Seerah | oh yeah, that is what you're missing, cnc :) right now you're frame is defined and has a size, but it doesn't look like anything :) |
| 17:14.47 | cncfanatics | hmm |
| 17:14.58 | cncfanatics | shouldnt SetBackDropColor(0, 0, 0, 1); set it to solid black ? |
| 17:15.15 | cncfanatics | sigh, I suck with frames |
| 17:16.19 | Seerah | Backdrop |
| 17:16.22 | Seerah | no capital D |
| 17:16.33 | cncfanatics | yea, just typo in chat |
| 17:16.33 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/91502 |
| 17:16.41 | cncfanatics | no visible background, for some reason |
| 17:16.54 | foxlit | Because you have no backdrop |
| 17:16.59 | Seerah | you don't have a backdrop texture |
| 17:17.09 | Seerah | right now it's coloring "nothing" black :) |
| 17:17.18 | Seerah | SetBackdropTexture |
| 17:17.32 | Seerah | err |
| 17:17.43 | foxlit | :SetBackdrop |
| 17:17.46 | Seerah | yeahg |
| 17:17.49 | foxlit | but, frankly |
| 17:18.05 | Seerah | example: sBar2:SetBackdrop({bgFile = "Interface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-StatusBar", edgeFile = "Interface\\Tooltips\\UI-Tooltip-Border", edgeSize = 8, tile = false}) |
| 17:18.08 | foxlit | t = frame:CreateTexture(nil, "OVERLAY"); t:SetAllPoints(); t:SetTexture(0,0,0); |
| 17:18.22 | foxlit | s/OVERLAY/BACKGROUND/ |
| 17:18.23 | cncfanatics | foxlit: heh, that works :) |
| 17:19.00 | cncfanatics | sholdn't that be t:SetAllPoints(frame); |
| 17:19.01 | cncfanatics | ? |
| 17:19.11 | foxlit | Things usually assume parents |
| 17:19.57 | cncfanatics | ah |
| 17:20.03 | cncfanatics | meh, I shld rly use frames more often :p |
| 17:20.07 | cncfanatics | takes me hours to write anything |
| 17:20.44 | cncfanatics | ok now I need a border and a close button at the topright |
| 17:20.47 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 17:20.48 | Wikwocket | frames are hard, there's no really great tutorial or guide that I've found |
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| 17:21.49 | Seerah | I learned from looking at other code |
| 17:22.13 | Seerah | and wowprogramming and wowwiki helped a lot, too |
| 17:22.24 | cncfanatics | well, I practicaly never use them |
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| 17:22.38 | foxlit | frames are easy, but bloody annoying nonetheless |
| 17:22.54 | cncfanatics | now time to anchor an EditBox at the bottom of that frame |
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| 17:26.41 | cncfanatics | anyone can help slightly for an editbox ? |
| 17:26.46 | cncfanatics | can look like the default blizz one |
| 17:29.07 | Seerah | those I haven't made before, cnc. I'd just be giving you what you could find on wowwiki or the wowprogramming site :( |
| 17:29.53 | cncfanatics | peeking at framexml atm |
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| 17:29.59 | cncfanatics | but thats all frame creation in xml :( |
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| 17:32.42 | cncfanatics | why does purl say that everytime Thunder_Child logs in ? :o |
| 17:33.39 | Wikwocket | bot shenanigans |
| 17:33.56 | Wikwocket | ~botsnack |
| 17:33.56 | purl | Wikwocket: thanks |
| 17:35.52 | cncfanatics | :o lovely |
| 17:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, malreth! I had General Tso's for lunch, do you want some leftovers? |
| 17:35.56 | cncfanatics | there is an editbox template |
| 17:36.23 | malreth | ooh... spicy! |
| 17:37.03 | cncfanatics | bah, the template doesnt work :'( |
| 17:37.33 | cncfanatics | anyone can help me a sec ? |
| 17:37.46 | cncfanatics | need to create that editbox from lua http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/ChatFrame.xml |
| 17:38.14 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/91507 is what I got |
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| 17:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad I could share, malreth. *hug* |
| 17:45.13 | Wikwocket | cncfanatics: I would, but I suck at XML and frames |
| 17:45.58 | cncfanatics | so do I |
| 17:46.04 | cncfanatics | I suck in frames that are not buttons |
| 17:47.22 | cncfanatics | I'll stop making this complicated |
| 17:47.25 | cncfanatics | solid backgrounds ft |
| 17:47.27 | cncfanatics | ftw* |
| 17:51.48 | kamdis | ~malreth++ |
| 17:52.50 | Thunder_Child | lies kamdis. lies |
| 17:53.20 | kamdis | He answered a post that questioned an answer I gave, and more succinctly than I would have been able to. |
| 17:53.34 | cncfanatics | foxlit: why ain't my editbox background showing up ? http://www.pastey.net/91510 |
| 17:53.41 | kamdis | Feel free to downgrade him yourself on principle. |
| 17:53.56 | malreth | i should have just answered, "u so sutpid!" |
| 17:54.26 | kamdis | next time, malreth. you know there will be one, and now I have a cut and paste for it. ;-) |
| 17:56.00 | Seerah | malreth needs to work on his verb conjugations ;) |
| 17:56.09 | Seerah | that's 2-3 times now you forgot the -s |
| 17:56.19 | malreth | "forgot"? |
| 17:56.26 | kamdis | He always leaves those out. |
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| 17:56.56 | malreth | ... |
| 17:57.03 | Lunessa | World of Warcraft. |
| 17:57.07 | malreth | lol |
| 18:00.18 | cncfanatics | bah, fuck this |
| 18:00.21 | cncfanatics | I'm just gonna fork luapad |
| 18:00.23 | cog|work | ...BOY |
| 18:00.35 | cog|work | cncfanatics: l2wowlua |
| 18:00.53 | malreth | wowlua is awesome |
| 18:01.27 | cog|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7366-WowLua.html |
| 18:02.52 | cog|work | new factoid |
| 18:02.54 | cog|work | ~wowlua |
| 18:02.54 | purl | methinks wowlua is an interactive Lua interpreter and multi-page script editor for World of Warcraft. http://tinyurl.com/6cfrac |
| 18:03.06 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 18:03.06 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 18:03.09 | cncfanatics | ooh sexy |
| 18:03.19 | cncfanatics | cog|work: how hard would it be to fork so I can set the environment it runs in ? |
| 18:03.34 | Fisker- | i has sex leg |
| 18:03.44 | malreth | ~toosex Fisker- |
| 18:03.45 | purl | Fisker- is too sex for me. |
| 18:03.46 | Dashkal | why have I not installed that yet? |
| 18:03.56 | Fisker- | so sex it hurt |
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| 18:05.14 | cog|work | pong |
| 18:05.53 | cog|work | Fisker-: http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/238378/!@$_Leg.html |
| 18:06.52 | malreth | i really hope they add a Sex Leg in wrath |
| 18:07.51 | Lunessa | http://www.drhorrible.com/act_II.html |
| 18:08.31 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: ping |
| 18:10.34 | Tem | Lunessa, what is that? |
| 18:10.44 | Lunessa | It's BRILLINAT |
| 18:11.22 | cog|work | cncfanatics: what's your ultimate goal? |
| 18:11.30 | Tem | Lunessa, put it in context |
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| 18:11.41 | malreth | Tem |
| 18:11.48 | Lunessa | It's a Joss Whedon project. |
| 18:11.49 | malreth | imagine if you took neil patrick harris |
| 18:11.58 | cncfanatics | cog|work: I want to be able to use wowlua to configure flexbar, so I was planning to fork it and change the environment it uses when it calls loadstring |
| 18:11.59 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: pong |
| 18:12.01 | malreth | and had him make sweet love to Joss Whedon |
| 18:12.06 | Lunessa | Comedy, musical superheors and vilans. |
| 18:12.17 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: would you mind of I forked / wrote a module for wowlua so you could easely configure fb with it ? |
| 18:12.34 | cladhaire | i would mind if you forked it |
| 18:12.36 | cladhaire | quite a bit |
| 18:12.40 | cncfanatics | wrote a module then :) |
| 18:12.43 | Tem | malreth, Lunessa, so I should watch act 1 first? |
| 18:12.48 | cladhaire | well how do you want it to work? |
| 18:12.53 | Lunessa | Yes. It's brilliant |
| 18:13.01 | Tem | mkay |
| 18:13.04 | cncfanatics | well, I just want to be able to call the functions of the different flexbar modules directly |
| 18:13.24 | cncfanatics | so I'd have to change the environment it runs it to a metatable that looks up in those modules and if it doesn't find it there in the global environment |
| 18:13.47 | cncfanatics | its two or 3 lines of code only |
| 18:14.15 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 18:15.12 | cncfanatics | is it possible to make a module that would plug in it to do that ? |
| 18:15.19 | cladhaire | not currently, but i'm not opposed to that |
| 18:15.31 | cladhaire | i.e. a RunSetFenv() function or something like that |
| 18:15.47 | cladhaire | having the pages and everything else is still okay? |
| 18:16.10 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 18:16.24 | cncfanatics | just a simple change so you don't have to type FlexBar3:GetModule("ModuleNameHere"): |
| 18:16.44 | nevcairiel | that much complexity to save one lookup? |
| 18:16.57 | nevcairiel | good that i'll never use fb :P |
| 18:17.04 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:17.07 | cncfanatics | that much complexity ? its 1 line of code |
| 18:17.16 | cladhaire | well, no it snot |
| 18:17.46 | nevcairiel | changing the environment opens a can of worms you might want to avoid |
| 18:17.49 | cladhaire | making a sufficiently general change that makes sense in the context of wowlua is more difficult |
| 18:17.52 | nevcairiel | but who am i to judge your code |
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| 18:18.24 | cladhaire | the answer to that question nevcairiel is "the competition" |
| 18:18.25 | cladhaire | heh |
| 18:19.12 | nevcairiel | At least i now know why flexbar isnt finished yet |
| 18:19.24 | nevcairiel | he is keepign busy with stuff like that :) |
| 18:19.32 | Seerah | he had exams |
| 18:19.42 | cncfanatics | I had exams, and I have a job atm ... |
| 18:19.57 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: is there any reason you can't just make a fb screen in the default interface options, and do the configuration there? |
| 18:20.34 | cncfanatics | I'm totaly unable to make anything interface wise, I suck with frames :( |
| 18:20.45 | nevcairiel | use AceConfig |
| 18:20.46 | nevcairiel | its so easy |
| 18:22.28 | cladhaire | or rip the edit frame/scrollframe code from wowlua |
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| 18:32.06 | Shirik | ~kill foxlit |
| 18:32.06 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse graviton gun at foxlit |
| 18:32.43 | foxlit | ~whaleparry Shirik |
| 18:32.44 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Shirik's attacks. |
| 18:33.03 | foxlit | Perhaps Edwardo is now way-less-huge :) |
| 18:38.21 | Cairenn | bleeter: pong |
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| 18:42.20 | foxlit | 01:00 CEST, the only time you need to know :) |
| 18:42.44 | foxlit | (coincidentially, in 4 hours and 17 minutes) |
| 18:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, I use Foxclocks with different popups for different people. I'm soooooo organized..... |
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| 18:57.48 | malreth | Lunessa: did you read Joss Whedon's plan at the Dr. Horrible site? |
| 18:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | I watched part of that last night. Truly weird and vastly entertaining, in a weird way. |
| 18:58.22 | laeg | man i love pretending to ride away on my mount after ganking someone and then coming back i nstealth to corpsecamp |
| 18:58.24 | Lunessa | malreth: Not yet. |
| 18:58.32 | laeg | i can see them waiting to release spirit to see what i do lmfao |
| 18:58.43 | malreth | Joss Whedon's giving the big fat finger to TV network execs |
| 18:58.57 | Lunessa | Well, yeah... they pump him for shows and then cancel. |
| 18:59.03 | Lunessa | So I can see it. |
| 18:59.31 | malreth | Dr. Horrible is a brilliant metaphor for his own plan to destroy the status quo because the status is not quo |
| 18:59.51 | Lopeppeppy | It's pretty sub-quo, most of the time. |
| 19:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | And status is never the same, talk to Schrodinger. |
| 19:03.01 | malreth | http://www.drhorrible.com/plan.html |
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| 19:09.09 | Sixen | Anyone know if the Feedback tool can be accessed through add-ons, etc? |
| 19:09.33 | Sixen | I.e. does the Feedback tool have it's own specific events? Like the GMTicket ones. |
| 19:15.39 | laeg | EU login servers down? |
| 19:15.59 | Josh_Borke | laeg: nevcairiel is having trouble authenticating also |
| 19:16.01 | laeg | logout and try log back in |
| 19:16.06 | laeg | jk :P |
| 19:16.08 | laeg | Josh_Borke: ty |
| 19:16.20 | Josh_Borke | laeg: i just attributed it to him failing |
| 19:16.23 | laeg | lol |
| 19:16.31 | nevcairiel | ~lart Josh_Borke |
| 19:16.31 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Josh_Borke until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 19:16.41 | laeg | i thought it might be because i'm a gnome Josh_Borke |
| 19:16.43 | Josh_Borke | ~hug nevcairiel |
| 19:16.44 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs nevcairiel |
| 19:17.01 | laeg | we're an ehtnic minority forced to be refugees because of the dark iron! |
| 19:23.10 | malreth | http://ffffound.com/image/3cc14e1b1d9388c0fb96c275ae9875ced93fc83c |
| 19:24.46 | Dashkal | I likes that lart |
| 19:26.01 | Lunessa | I think that should be a new .sig somewhere. |
| 19:26.59 | laeg | how can i log onto arena tournament 1 realm? |
| 19:28.07 | kd3 | pay the $20 for arena tournament access |
| 19:29.24 | laeg | what do you get? |
| 19:29.29 | laeg | it's cool i'll google it ty |
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| 19:48.27 | kd3 | anyone know how I can tell recount to never show unless I tell it to? |
| 19:49.37 | Kirov | um, close it? |
| 19:49.42 | Wikwocket | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.59 | kd3 | I keep closing it every time I get out of combat |
| 19:50.14 | Kirov | kd3 - go to the options, check the window options |
| 19:53.52 | kd3 | ah, there we go. 'autohide on combat' autoshows it when I get out.... |
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| 20:01.13 | Wikwocket | Anyone here publish addons on curse as well as wowinterface? |
| 20:01.47 | kam|afk | Alestane does, I think. |
| 20:01.58 | kam|afk | but as to the "here" part... |
| 20:02.04 | alestane | Some of them...why? |
| 20:02.22 | Wikwocket | I am having problems with the curseforge site |
| 20:02.53 | Wikwocket | Specifically I'm trying to discover what voodoo ritual I must perform to get my updated project on curseforge to appear on curse.com |
| 20:03.21 | alestane | I haven't uploaded to Curse in a while, but I hear one of their servers just had a nervous breakdown, so i t may not be that you're doing something wrong. |
| 20:03.27 | AckisWork | Wikwocket: try #curseforge if you don't get an answer here |
| 20:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | nervous breakdowns suck. *nod* |
| 20:03.36 | kamdis | ~hug cog|work |
| 20:03.36 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on cog|work and suddenly hugs cog|work tightly |
| 20:04.02 | Matrix110 | Wikwocket just highlight ckknight till he responds |
| 20:04.04 | Matrix110 | he loves it |
| 20:04.06 | Wikwocket | AckisWork: #curseforge on this server? I tried #curseweb on quakenet but it is dead |
| 20:04.09 | ckknight | I don't love it. |
| 20:04.15 | ckknight | Wikwocket: yes, #curseforge on this server |
| 20:04.23 | Wikwocket | Thanks, let me try that! |
| 20:07.17 | cog|work | kamdis: <3 |
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| 20:09.12 | kamdis | I like being confirmed to be right by MVPs. Makes me feel smart. |
| 20:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | You rule, kamdis. |
| 20:11.04 | alestane | Blah, looks like newer version of XCode require Leopard. |
| 20:12.20 | Lunessa | leopard is worth the upgrade. |
| 20:12.32 | alestane | When I buy a better computer, sure. |
| 20:12.42 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 20:12.47 | alestane | RIght now I'm running on a G4 Mac Mini. |
| 20:13.15 | alestane | However, the Java compiler in XCode 2 blows goats. |
| 20:13.36 | Lunessa | Lucky goats? |
| 20:15.17 | alestane | I doubt they enjoy it. I don't have much flatteringto say about this compiler. |
| 20:15.32 | Lopeppeppy | Where is goats? |
| 20:16.31 | kamdis | thanks, peppy :) |
| 20:16.40 | Lunessa | Poor goats. Poor, sad, unhappy goats. Xcode 2's Java compiler does you no favors. (Maybe I should switch to decaff) |
| 20:17.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, you should Lunessa. |
| 20:17.14 | Duman | hmm |
| 20:17.23 | Duman | holy crap, google got fisted |
| 20:17.33 | Lunessa | ... ? |
| 20:17.39 | Duman | down 12% in after-hours trading |
| 20:17.47 | Duman | (down like 62pts) |
| 20:18.19 | malreth | oh dear gods someone is going to die for this |
| 20:18.33 | Lunessa | Oh, so you did mean what I thought you meant by "fisted." |
| 20:18.41 | Matrix110 | I still want to kill my dad for not letting me invest all my money with 15 in google :D |
| 20:18.51 | Matrix110 | I would have trippled it by now-.- |
| 20:19.00 | malreth | someone gifted individual decided to take all the computers from one lab... and just up and move them all... ALL to another building |
| 20:19.10 | malreth | never told me |
| 20:19.15 | malreth | didn't plan this |
| 20:19.34 | malreth | didn't bother to change the static IP addresses on the computers so that they'd work |
| 20:19.42 | Lunessa | malreth: Hangin's too good fer 'em. |
| 20:20.00 | malreth | now i've got 2 floors of grad students (THE WORST KIND OF USER) that are angry at me because their computers don't work |
| 20:20.02 | malreth | fuck |
| 20:20.44 | DARKGuy | hahaha |
| 20:20.52 | DARKGuy | tell them it's the fault of global warming |
| 20:20.52 | kamdis | but mal, that's a girl on girl hug |
| 20:20.54 | DARKGuy | and stop using wikipedia |
| 20:20.58 | Industrial | lol |
| 20:21.07 | Industrial | kamdis: proceed |
| 20:21.23 | DARKGuy | kamdis: yes, I'll grab my camcorder |
| 20:21.41 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 20:21.48 | malreth | since they all have the wrong ip address, i can't use ARD to fix them all at once |
| 20:21.59 | Lunessa | "These aren't the hammer." |
| 20:22.07 | malreth | i have to go to each computer... all 45 and fix them one by one |
| 20:22.12 | kamdis | Lunessa: lol |
| 20:22.25 | Artmi | malreth, sounds like one fun evening :P |
| 20:22.30 | malreth | ~yuri kamdis and Lopeppeppy |
| 20:22.30 | purl | ACTION and kamdis and Lopeppeppy exchange sweet, long glances at each other amidst a background of pastel flowers and that's all that ever happens. Ever. |
| 20:22.37 | Artmi | door, door, door, door, door, door, door, stairs, door, door, door =) |
| 20:22.39 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.45 | DARKGuy | malreth: you can make it more challenging if you try to take the less time you can for each machine, thinking in beating a guiness record. |
| 20:22.53 | DARKGuy | using a cronometer, too. |
| 20:22.56 | Arrowmaster | malreth: sounds like failure, why arent you using dhcp configured to always give the same preconfigured ip address to each mac |
| 20:22.59 | DARKGuy | lmao @ purl |
| 20:23.00 | kd3 | whee at the prices of herbs doubling on medivh overnight |
| 20:23.27 | malreth | Arrowmaster: our lab software requires static ip addresses |
| 20:23.33 | DARKGuy | stupid software |
| 20:23.36 | DARKGuy | stupid programmers |
| 20:23.37 | malreth | and the networking group refuses to support dhcp reservations |
| 20:23.41 | DARKGuy | stupid school that taught them! |
| 20:23.55 | DARKGuy | stupid networking group |
| 20:23.56 | malreth | true... the software was written in the 90s |
| 20:24.00 | DARKGuy | stupid brains of the networking groups |
| 20:24.12 | Arrowmaster | dhcp reservations are the best thing ever, reconfig all ip addresses for a set of computers from 1 file |
| 20:24.14 | DARKGuy | :/ |
| 20:24.17 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 20:24.29 | DARKGuy | we do it here with a proxy, it's so easy. |
| 20:24.32 | malreth | i agree.... and we use them where we can |
| 20:24.48 | malreth | but this building is run by a different college so we have to play by their rules |
| 20:24.56 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 20:25.12 | DARKGuy | rules set by people who don't know shit about it? ^^ |
| 20:25.28 | Artmi | DARKGuy, that's nothing new, that's how this world is driven |
| 20:25.44 | DARKGuy | Artmi: yeah, that's the cruel reality :( |
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| 20:25.59 | Artmi | By clueless men, with high salary :) |
| 20:26.09 | Slakah | lets not be sexist here |
| 20:26.19 | malreth | truthfully, this is going to suck even worse for the normal lab tech for this building... i'm filling in for him as he's on vacation |
| 20:26.26 | Slakah | theres also clueless women with high salary |
| 20:26.30 | Artmi | Correction: "By clueless people, with high salary" |
| 20:26.34 | malreth | he didn't document which physical computer gets which ip address |
| 20:26.49 | malreth | so i'm likely assigning these all in the wrong order |
| 20:27.13 | malreth | not that it really matters all that much |
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| 20:27.20 | malreth | oh... |
| 20:27.32 | malreth | actually, DHCP reservations wouldn't even work for this problem |
| 20:27.40 | malreth | as they're keyed to the MAC address |
| 20:27.57 | malreth | and since fucknut #1 swapped the computers out |
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| 20:28.46 | malreth | anyways |
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| 20:30.50 | alestane | Shirik, or anyone else who knows Java: WTF do I have to import to get it to recognize .group on the Matcher class? I have about five more of those damn'd "symbol not found" errors. |
| 20:31.30 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:31.31 | Cide | from matcher import group |
| 20:31.37 | Shirik | ~lart Cide |
| 20:31.37 | purl | blasts Cide to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 20:31.45 | Shirik | if you have Matcher, you have group, alestane |
| 20:31.50 | Shirik | you may be calling it wrong though |
| 20:31.54 | alestane | That's what I thought, but... |
| 20:32.07 | Wikwocket | I just use import java.util.regex.*; but I may not be understanding what you need |
| 20:32.18 | Shirik | how are you calling group? |
| 20:32.39 | alestane | Matcher lineParser = somePattern.matcher(s); param1 = (lineParser.group(3).length > 0)? Integer.parseInt(lineParser.group(3)): 0; |
| 20:32.56 | alestane | And yes, I'm doing a .matches before that. |
| 20:33.32 | alestane | There's some symbol in there (might not be group) that it doesn't like. |
| 20:34.18 | Wikwocket | I would try breaking up the line into multiple lines, to see which part the compiler is unhappy with |
| 20:34.38 | Shirik | agree |
| 20:34.42 | alestane | I did that. The error falls on the line with the open-paren after group. |
| 20:34.57 | alestane | The first group, specifically. |
| 20:35.28 | Wikwocket | Can you pastey it and cite a line number? |
| 20:35.28 | amro | would be nice of the compiler to be more specific. Flash compiler drives me nuts with its "Error: There's an error!" messages |
| 20:35.37 | AckisWork | so, I have lua511wow and luasocket2.02 downloaded... can they work together or do I need a different lua to make it work? |
| 20:35.42 | alestane | so maybe it's length that it doesn't like. |
| 20:36.10 | Artmi | What events would be the best to use to know w hen i enter / leave an Arena / BG? |
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| 20:36.39 | alestane | pastey.net appears to be crashed ATM. |
| 20:37.11 | NightHawkAtWork | nice http://2photo.ru/uploads/posts/4268/20071120/joe_baran/20_11_2007_0044537001195507712_joe_baran.jpg |
| 20:37.59 | Arrowmaster | Artmi: PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and check IsInInstance() |
| 20:38.16 | Artmi | Arrowmaster, well IsInInstace() (doesn't that imply any instance)? |
| 20:38.21 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 20:38.23 | Artmi | or does IsInInstace() return some way of knowing what it is |
| 20:38.27 | Arrowmaster | !api IsInInstance() |
| 20:38.28 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsInInstance' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsInInstance |
| 20:38.42 | Artmi | Arrowmaster,aah yeah, thanks |
| 20:39.10 | Arrowmaster | it also returns "none" |
| 20:39.13 | Shirik | uh, alestane |
| 20:39.15 | Shirik | does param1 exist? |
| 20:39.22 | alestane | It's a member variable. |
| 20:39.35 | Shirik | and you're not in a static class |
| 20:39.38 | Shirik | er |
| 20:39.40 | Shirik | function |
| 20:39.56 | alestane | No, ina constructor. |
| 20:40.37 | amro | AckisWork: should work, I think Kaso used that |
| 20:42.30 | alestane | It's String matcherInstance.group(int), right? |
| 20:42.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:43.00 | AckisWork | amro: Keep getting crashes :( |
| 20:43.21 | alestane | I'm noticing that I call .group in a way that doesn't offend the compilier on the line above it. |
| 20:43.59 | alestane | Aha! |
| 20:44.08 | alestane | length is a method, not a member variable. |
| 20:44.21 | amro | AckisWork: does vanilla lua work? |
| 20:44.31 | alestane | That would be it. |
| 20:45.10 | AckisWork | amro: never tried it, when I downloaded socket it came with lua in it that worked.. was just hoping to make life a bit easier with one lua parser |
| 20:45.22 | Artmi | Oh sweet: "Frost Armor, Ice Armor, Mage Armor, and Molten Armor are no longer Magic effects and cannot be dispelled" |
| 20:45.26 | Artmi | buff for moi! |
| 20:45.47 | alestane | I don't quite get why the Armor buffs for locks and mages are no longer dispellable. |
| 20:45.49 | cog|work | AckisWork: 1) where did you dl luawow? the current repository is http://luaforge.net/projects/lua-wow |
| 20:46.03 | Artmi | alestane, it's good for me, no longer can they mes with me in PvP when i use ice armor |
| 20:46.05 | Matrix110 | Because it was annoying to redo it against every team that has a shaman in it |
| 20:46.05 | kd3 | because we're tired of spending craploads of mana just to get them purged? |
| 20:46.07 | AckisWork | that's where I got it from :) |
| 20:46.23 | Matrix110 | Shaman pays insane 150mana to purge my 700mana buffs yay |
| 20:47.07 | cog|work | 2) the binaries themselves are compiled with MSVC using a statically-linked project that I created myself. They're optimized for self-containedness and also include an icon |
| 20:47.21 | cog|work | you'll probably want to compile it yourself using the makefile to make it play nicely with otherl libs |
| 20:47.47 | AckisWork | ahh ok... don't want to have to deal with that so I'll just stick with the other way |
| 20:48.39 | AckisWork | although socket is lua 5.1.2 and luawow is 5.1.1 (not sure if that makes a diff) |
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| 20:51.10 | foxlit | I demand that Shirik works faster! |
| 20:53.35 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:56.45 | Kandoko | I pity the poor priests and there pathetic still dispelable buff |
| 20:57.21 | Drundia | ha, poor |
| 20:57.21 | alestane | "uses or overrides a deprecated API"? |
| 20:58.53 | Lunessa | Whooo hooo... I killed out Oracle driven account management system... Ya y me! |
| 21:00.31 | Shirik | ~cheer Lunessa |
| 21:00.31 | purl | ACTION cheers Lunessa on |
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| 21:05.43 | foxlit | #gcj, shirik :) |
| 21:05.54 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:06.09 | Shirik | why, are you watching me or something? |
| 21:06.40 | foxlit | ceiling fox is watching you code? |
| 21:07.00 | Shirik | I stopped working on it :P |
| 21:07.17 | alestane | This compiler's ability to correctly designate the source of an error is serious fail. |
| 21:07.26 | foxlit | qq! |
| 21:07.46 | foxlit | Although it could just be enough :) |
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| 21:08.35 | Wikwocket | alestane: which compiler? |
| 21:08.52 | alestane | Whichever Java compiler is included in XCode 2.4.1. |
| 21:09.16 | Wikwocket | Ah |
| 21:09.23 | Wikwocket | I just use javac |
| 21:09.44 | foxlit | It's probably whatever JDK you've got installed, tbh :) |
| 21:09.51 | Kirov | ok, that's probably a bad sign |
| 21:10.15 | Kirov | I'm looking at code I wrote, that works, and I can't figure out how. |
| 21:10.22 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8122762386&sid=1 - post 2. Full of LOL |
| 21:10.41 | alestane | Kirov: I think that happens to programmers all the time. |
| 21:10.42 | Kirov | I have code that calls an undefined function and I get results I expect... |
| 21:10.55 | Kirov | or rather, results I would expect if the function was defined. |
| 21:11.47 | Kirov | aha |
| 21:12.07 | Kirov | I'm doing something insane. I'm commenting on code I wrote 2 years ago. |
| 21:12.18 | Kirov | In an attempt to clean up some of it. |
| 21:12.30 | Kirov | this function that call the function that doesn't exist yet "works"... isn't used. |
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| 21:15.02 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539956440&sid=1 I feel so ignored :( |
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| 21:17.32 | cog|work | ~pounce malreth |
| 21:17.33 | purl | ACTION jumps on malreth and bounces around Tigger style |
| 21:17.54 | cog|work | kamdis: tried to say hai2u on the CS forum but the thread got locked while i was replying :P |
| 21:18.15 | kamdis | Me too |
| 21:18.19 | kamdis | earlier |
| 21:18.23 | malreth | ~mdk cog|work |
| 21:18.23 | purl | ACTION slices and dices cog|work and throws him in the trash |
| 21:18.28 | kamdis | in the one where you pointed out a thread that needed locking |
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| 21:18.45 | kamdis | UI & Macros is slooooooow today |
| 21:18.56 | Kirov | How evil is this? |
| 21:18.57 | Kirov | I want to search, cull, and sort a large number of items based of a set of conditions. |
| 21:18.57 | Kirov | 1 - Generate function using runscript based on the selected conditions |
| 21:18.57 | Kirov | 2 - Those items that pass the cull conditions create a short string based on sort conditions, add to table |
| 21:18.57 | Kirov | 3 - Sort table using basic > string comparisons |
| 21:19.10 | kamdis | CSF is sucking my will to live though |
| 21:19.51 | cog|work | Kirov: how big ar e the tables? all of those strings are garbage... |
| 21:20.24 | Kirov | cog|work - depends on the cull conditions, but could be as many as there are items. |
| 21:20.36 | Kirov | (including suffix variations) |
| 21:20.39 | cog|work | it may still be faster than using a comparison function passed to sort |
| 21:21.23 | Kirov | I'm storing item info as compact strings, so there's some decoding that has to be done (rather than pure table based). |
| 21:21.25 | cog|work | it'll probably take empirical data to determine how evil it is |
| 21:22.25 | Kirov | Right now I sort 20k items in a coroutine almost as fast / faster than Lootlink or ItemSync does w/o freezing the UI |
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| 21:22.52 | malreth | cog|work: i'm starting to think that QuestHelper *might* actually be able to trigger a BSOD |
| 21:22.58 | Kirov | But I'm only doing name sort / culling |
| 21:23.13 | malreth | if it's creating textures |
| 21:23.20 | cog|work | malreth: yeah... |
| 21:23.30 | malreth | before the patch, it was nilling the parent |
| 21:23.39 | malreth | as if that would somehow delete the texture |
| 21:23.44 | Kirov | QuestHelper is fucktasticly evil |
| 21:23.58 | malreth | and the 'fix' is probably to comment out the line that didn't even do anything before |
| 21:24.10 | cog|work | but... why wouldn't that just cause the out of memory errors that most people reported until now? |
| 21:24.16 | malreth | depends |
| 21:24.29 | malreth | if it really is allocating a texmap somewhere |
| 21:24.43 | malreth | resources on the video chipset might get starved before RAM is used up |
| 21:24.47 | cog|work | yeah... if it's being loaded onto the video card it could be combining with some other problem |
| 21:24.53 | alestane | Later all. |
| 21:25.08 | malreth | combined with any number of driver issues and *bam* |
| 21:25.39 | Kirov | Does questhelper not do any kind of frame / region reuse? |
| 21:25.51 | malreth | not that i can tell |
| 21:25.57 | Kirov | ie: create and dump for everything? |
| 21:26.03 | malreth | it just sets the parent of the texture to nil |
| 21:26.23 | Kirov | That would explain the memory leaks for fonts. |
| 21:26.27 | malreth | the author probably thought that meant it would be garbage collected |
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| 21:33.41 | cncfanatics | frames don't ever, EVER, get GC'd |
| 21:34.44 | Shirik | sure they do |
| 21:34.48 | Shirik | at /console reloadui |
| 21:36.00 | Kirov | ~whaleslap Shirik |
| 21:36.01 | purl | ACTION beats Shirik upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 21:38.47 | malreth | ooooh... |
| 21:38.55 | malreth | you made cncfanatics mad |
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| 21:41.02 | malreth | hmm... the newest version of questhelper sets the texture's parent to UIParent and inserts it into a free_textures table |
| 21:41.45 | malreth | its create texture routine pulls a texture from off the free_textures table |
| 21:42.16 | Kirov | that's good |
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| 21:43.43 | malreth | it also recycles tables.... don't know how i feel about that |
| 21:44.14 | Kirov | that was popular for a while with ace addons |
| 21:44.17 | malreth | probably no big deal there, tho |
| 21:44.22 | Lunessa | Lots of curn. |
| 21:44.27 | Lunessa | Churn. |
| 21:45.58 | kamdis | Could be the cause of people's stuttering complaints? |
| 21:46.40 | Kirov | I generally don't recycle tables, I just try to find ways to reduce how many I use. I have some special case code that reuses a single local table over and over, but I use it a LOT and it's consistent, short length tables so I don't care about junk values |
| 21:46.49 | malreth | it also sets the metatable of a 'released' table such that any accidental use of that table throws an error. the metatable is set to nil on 'create' |
| 21:48.04 | malreth | there's a reference count for the number of active tables, textures, fonttexts, and frames |
| 21:48.10 | Kirov | uhg, why do people use 2 spaces for indentation? |
| 21:48.19 | malreth | QuestHelper.used_blah |
| 21:48.35 | malreth | replace blah with 'textures' or 'frames' etc |
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| 21:49.31 | Lunessa | Holy hell. He metatables everything? |
| 21:50.12 | Kirov | he's using a surprising number of globals too |
| 21:50.21 | malreth | nevertheless, users are allegedly reporting memory increases of 40 MiB/s when using QH |
| 21:50.30 | Kirov | odd considering the number of things he tablizes in to the main frame |
| 21:50.35 | Lunessa | Sounds like some architectural problems with his data handling are the root cause of many things we get complaints about in the UI & macros forum. |
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| 21:51.47 | Guest261 | Hi, anyone else having trouble updating cosmos? I get to fetching distribution and it shows a server connection error |
| 21:52.09 | malreth | the patch server has problems |
| 21:52.11 | Karego | Hello again! Anybody knows is there any website with basic tutorials like 'create your own action bar', or 'how to make a unit frame'? Googling doesn't help much |
| 21:52.13 | Shirik | why is everyone that asks about cosmos using a "Guest" nick |
| 21:52.30 | malreth | Shirik: http://www.cosmosui.org/irc.php |
| 21:52.39 | Kirov | Shirik - web based irc for the masses |
| 21:52.58 | cog|work | Karego: those two things are less than trivial |
| 21:53.06 | malreth | Karego: there's a book about wow programming. have you heard of it? |
| 21:53.13 | Karego | nope |
| 21:53.15 | Kirov | cog|work - someone should write a book about that |
| 21:53.37 | NightHawkAtWork | cog|work: wouldn't that be "more" than trivial? *ponder* |
| 21:53.49 | malreth | like cog said, there's nothing 'basic' about either of those two things |
| 21:53.51 | cog|work | combined, the techniques needed to create them take up >100 pages in the given book |
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| 21:54.00 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:54.00 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:54.16 | cog|work | NightHawkAtWork: extremely trivial would be very easy. so less than trivial would be hard imo |
| 21:54.37 | malreth | as in "less cold" means "more warm" |
| 21:54.42 | NightHawkAtWork | cog|work: guess it depends on your point of view/context, i guess |
| 21:54.42 | cog|work | aye |
| 21:54.46 | cog|work | yep |
| 21:54.49 | cog|work | wtb lojban |
| 21:54.53 | NightHawkAtWork | lol |
| 21:55.13 | Kirov | more or less than trivial! |
| 21:55.20 | Kirov | *bogle* |
| 21:55.35 | malreth | Karego: any other questions? |
| 21:55.48 | Karego | *sigh* and no pdf version to purchase… hardcovers aren't delivered to belarus where i live :( |
| 21:56.06 | malreth | ~wiki belarus |
| 21:56.51 | Karego | um… let it be this one: where should i start googling to create a bar like side action bar in wow — that access droppable spells/consumables? |
| 21:56.53 | malreth | man... they really changed that map from when i was in school |
| 21:57.22 | Kirov | malreth - yeah, get this, there's now only one germany! |
| 21:57.39 | malreth | Kirov: shit, man! what happened to the other one? |
| 21:57.43 | malreth | Karego: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5977-CogsBar.html |
| 21:58.05 | malreth | it'd be best to learn from example |
| 21:58.06 | Lunessa | ZOMG ... What happened to Congo? |
| 21:58.45 | Karego | 16K of code? thanks, I'm sure I'll handle this :) |
| 21:58.55 | malreth | anything else? |
| 21:58.59 | Karego | tried to look at Trinity's XML — just got lost |
| 21:59.04 | cog|work | Karego: much of that is comments |
| 21:59.17 | malreth | before you leave, you must drink from the firehose |
| 21:59.24 | Karego | no, I think I'll go read some sources now… |
| 21:59.29 | Kirov | Karego - look up secure frames |
| 21:59.32 | malreth | firehose. |
| 21:59.38 | cog|work | The first version of that mod was designed specifically as a demo of the secure template system when 2.0 came out |
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| 21:59.55 | Lunessa | malreth: We have it all on UHF. |
| 22:00.15 | malreth | Lunessa: best $4 i ever spent |
| 22:00.25 | Kirov | Open wide! |
| 22:00.28 | Lunessa | I saw it ON UHF. |
| 22:01.23 | malikeye | hmm, questhelper is no long on wowui ? |
| 22:01.30 | Shirik | correct |
| 22:01.33 | Shirik | er, do you mean wowi? |
| 22:02.03 | malreth | was it ever on wowinterface.com? |
| 22:02.09 | Kirov | doubt it |
| 22:02.24 | Kirov | I think he's refuring to incgamers |
| 22:02.26 | malikeye | it's in my wowinterface updater |
| 22:02.35 | Lunessa | After hearing what you've had to say about its code, I'm glad I never installed it. |
| 22:02.47 | Kirov | Lunessa - it's an impressive addon |
| 22:02.56 | Shirik | it was on wowinterface, yes, but it is no longer on wowi |
| 22:03.00 | Kirov | But it's got enough annoying wiggles that I don't use it |
| 22:03.09 | Shirik | if you can use wowi's updater to get to it... that's um.... a proble,m |
| 22:03.34 | malikeye | I guess I"m lost... I am using "WowInterface UI Manager" |
| 22:03.36 | Kirov | carbonite quest and quest helper both have some really nice stuff in each, but neither are quite perfect. |
| 22:03.51 | Shirik | yes, I wrote that horrible program |
| 22:03.59 | malikeye | I thought this was the wowinterface.com channel |
| 22:04.02 | Shirik | it is :) |
| 22:04.16 | Shirik | but you said wowui |
| 22:04.19 | Shirik | which is a different site :) |
| 22:04.24 | malikeye | sorry, my bad... typo |
| 22:04.34 | cog|work | Karego: did you get my PM? (i know freenode won't let you respond if you haven't registered your nick) |
| 22:04.38 | Shirik | anyway, questhelper is no longer on wowi, at least temporarily |
| 22:04.44 | malikeye | but yeah... in the updater, I have questhelper "vipersniper" |
| 22:04.55 | Shirik | yeah, if that can still download from wowi, that's a bug |
| 22:05.10 | Shirik | however, it will remain there |
| 22:05.14 | Karego | yeah, I got it |
| 22:05.14 | malikeye | it's not downloading... it's just listed as "up-to-date" |
| 22:05.20 | Shirik | if you want to remove it from the updater, you can remove it |
| 22:05.24 | cog|work | kk just checking :) |
| 22:05.30 | Shirik | just go into questhelper's folder, and remove the .wid file in there |
| 22:05.44 | malikeye | well, I was actually looking for an update :) |
| 22:05.55 | Shirik | I don't think one has been made yet, though I'm not sure |
| 22:06.18 | malikeye | curse says one from yesterday. dunno |
| 22:06.40 | Shirik | well you may be able to get it from curse then :) |
| 22:06.57 | Shirik | it has not been uploaded to wowi by the original author, and we won't go to curse and grab it for our site |
| 22:07.07 | kamdis | I'm taking the ever-weird and wise malreth's advice and trying out TourGuide instead of QuestHelper. |
| 22:07.32 | malikeye | I don't even see it on wowinterface's library |
| 22:07.33 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 22:07.37 | malikeye | must've been removed |
| 22:07.56 | Shirik | it was |
| 22:08.45 | malikeye | bummer... I only really trust wowinterface |
| 22:09.12 | Shirik | reason it was removed from wowi is because it was not uploaded by the author, and we don't host files unless the author has given explicit permission to do so |
| 22:10.36 | malikeye | which is a good policy |
| 22:10.45 | batrick | it's the only legal policy :P |
| 22:11.36 | [dRaCo] | you could of course ask the author to upload it on wowi, if you want it to be there that bad |
| 22:12.16 | malikeye | howbout tourguide? anybody use that ? |
| 22:12.37 | |Yssaril| | malikeye: http://github.com/tekkub/tourguide/tree/master is the tourguide home |
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| 22:13.19 | Dashkal | Shirik: How do you feel about implicit permission? True open source licences and such |
| 22:13.48 | foxlit | If Shirik thinks anything like the wowi upload project page, that should be allowed |
| 22:14.15 | Shirik | Dashkal: That would imply the author has given permission |
| 22:14.23 | foxlit | "You certify that either you are the copyright holder of all documents being submitted or have permission to submit them." |
| 22:14.49 | Dashkal | just checking. explicit could be taken to mean you don't allow under those circumstances and instead demand the copyright holder himself submit. |
| 22:15.06 | foxlit | Shirik: more train solutions, please :) |
| 22:15.10 | Shirik | the license that they include in the addon is an explicit license :) As opposed to an implici... NO |
| 22:15.12 | Shirik | SCREW THE TRAIN |
| 22:15.16 | Shirik | I gave up on it |
| 22:15.42 | foxlit | 44 minutes to come up with a new plan :) |
| 22:15.58 | Dashkal | But that answers my question. I'll be uploading to wowi personally when ready to release just to maintain personal control. The license I prefer is true open source and I'd rather keep it that way. |
| 22:16.22 | foxlit | [The 10:1 ratio of A to C answer attempts speaks something about the level of math education present in general programming audience] |
| 22:16.36 | Shirik | yeah I noticed that too |
| 22:16.46 | Shirik | I looked at C and I was like "wtf do I look like, a physics guy?" |
| 22:16.59 | Shirik | I could do it, I just don't feel like it |
| 22:17.00 | foxlit | why physics? :) |
| 22:17.12 | foxlit | seemed like pure math to me |
| 22:17.12 | Shirik | well because the highest level of math at my school is used by the physics guys |
| 22:17.14 | ckknight | what is this? |
| 22:17.22 | foxlit | http://code.google.com/codejam |
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| 22:18.02 | Shirik | foxlit: My solution to B is so damn complicated that I cba to debug it |
| 22:18.07 | Shirik | my own fault, I know, but oh well |
| 22:18.13 | wereHamster | lua> local f=function()print(f)end;f() |
| 22:18.13 | lua_bot | wereHamster: nil |
| 22:18.19 | JoshBorke | I FOUND THE QUESTIONS! |
| 22:18.33 | ckknight | wereHamster: do local f;f=function |
| 22:18.39 | foxlit | I submitted all three in lua; can look them up later for a bit of insanity. |
| 22:18.44 | wereHamster | just wanted to check :) |
| 22:18.55 | Shirik | cladhaire was working in Lua too |
| 22:18.55 | nevcairiel | or local function f() |
| 22:19.04 | cog|work | lua> local function f() print(f) end f() |
| 22:19.04 | lua_bot | cog|work: function: 0x66e9e0 |
| 22:19.05 | wereHamster | lua> local function f()print(f)end;f() |
| 22:19.05 | lua_bot | wereHamster: function: 0x66e9e0 |
| 22:19.10 | Shirik | My solution to A is rather elegant I think |
| 22:19.18 | Shirik | B is.... the reason everyone hates C++ |
| 22:19.21 | foxlit | wtb cladhaire's nick for spying purposes :) |
| 22:19.56 | wereHamster | oh, whoever runs lua_bot doesn't have memory randomization enabled :) |
| 22:20.39 | foxlit | depends on what you're implementing, really :) |
| 22:21.04 | Shirik | wereHamster: cladhaire does |
| 22:21.22 | Shirik | and no, but that shouldn't really be relevant |
| 22:21.45 | foxlit | can't get from 0x66e9e0 to a function, anyway |
| 22:22.10 | Shirik | batrick took away my toys though :( |
| 22:22.17 | Shirik | I broke it while at the lua conference, lol |
| 22:22.26 | cladhaire | foxlit: I only submitted A and B in Lua |
| 22:22.33 | cladhaire | didn't have much time today |
| 22:22.40 | Shirik | yeah I started with like 7 hours to go myself |
| 22:22.41 | cladhaire | and my solution to B apparently doesn't work atm :P |
| 22:22.44 | batrick | i only took away newproxy? |
| 22:22.48 | Shirik | newproxy = toy!! |
| 22:22.58 | batrick | it wouldn't help you at all |
| 22:23.04 | foxlit | cladhaire: not sharing the nickname? :) |
| 22:23.20 | cladhaire | it shouldn't be hard to find |
| 22:23.42 | Kaso | Ackis, you around now? |
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| 22:24.11 | batrick | while I didn't see the __gc problem, it wouldn't help you do anything except crash LuaTask |
| 22:24.16 | batrick | which I admit was very clever :P |
| 22:24.33 | Shirik | well that's my point |
| 22:24.35 | Shirik | it helps me crash LuaTask |
| 22:24.43 | Shirik | that's why it's a toy! |
| 22:25.03 | Shirik | it's actually not even what I intended to do batrick |
| 22:25.33 | Shirik | I was talking to cladhaire, there was a presentation at the lua conference about cycles in weak tables in the Lua GC |
| 22:25.44 | Shirik | I was trying to break your system by permanently filling you with memory |
| 22:26.03 | batrick | lol? |
| 22:26.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:26.13 | batrick | I don't see how that'd break my system but ok heh |
| 22:26.31 | nevcairiel | enough memory usage starts bad swaping |
| 22:26.32 | Shirik | well if I can permanently use memory in your state, you should constantly just say "memory limits exceeded" |
| 22:26.51 | bleeter | <GM Syndri> Last night, our Game Masters faced a concurrent total breaching 20,000 petitions. This is not a cumulative number; rather, one that was noted at a specific, static point in time. We were simply very, very busy in the wake of patch 2.4.3 and could not address all requests in as timely a manner as we would have liked. |
| 22:27.01 | bleeter | 20,000 petitions in the queue!! |
| 22:27.10 | batrick | Shirik: I clean out _G if you go over 75MB i don't see how you'd fill my memory up with garbage |
| 22:27.28 | Shirik | But see, it wasn't even in _G, it was locals. Point is that Lua doesn't collect that memory |
| 22:27.36 | Shirik | it's a flaw :) |
| 22:27.38 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: why do you need swap these days? isn't a couple gigs of memory enough? |
| 22:27.40 | Kaso | Holy crap bleeter |
| 22:27.52 | batrick | I'm not following you Shirik |
| 22:27.54 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: doesnt help you if some evil code fills it with shit |
| 22:28.14 | Shirik | assuming the garbage collector doesn't realize something is garbage (even though it is) |
| 22:28.19 | Shirik | it won't pick it up, so it will just sit there |
| 22:28.22 | nevcairiel | also, most OSes fail if you dont assign any swap |
| 22:28.30 | batrick | collectgarbage"count" returns total memory usage not garbage |
| 22:28.35 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: that OS is broken then IMHO |
| 22:28.46 | Shirik | right, but total memory usage includes garbage :) |
| 22:28.54 | nevcairiel | as i said, most do, so like most OS are broken? |
| 22:28.55 | nevcairiel | yeah right. |
| 22:28.59 | batrick | stiiiiiil not following u |
| 22:29.03 | Shirik | ok nm :P |
| 22:29.05 | Shirik | It didn't work anyway |
| 22:29.18 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: win and linux don't need swap.. which ones do? |
| 22:29.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Not quite sure how you can say "most." Linux doesn't require it, Windows doesn't require it |
| 22:29.28 | nevcairiel | windows does |
| 22:29.35 | Shirik | nope, I used to run with it off all the time |
| 22:29.39 | wereHamster | you can disable it, if you know how |
| 22:29.58 | nevcairiel | Sure you can, but there are alot of drivers and apps that make windows cry if there is no swap |
| 22:29.59 | Shirik | however stating that "windows is broken" I won't deny |
| 22:30.23 | wereHamster | so it's not a technical limitation, but just broken drivers.. |
| 22:30.37 | nevcairiel | I never said that they will refuse to work completly |
| 22:30.43 | nevcairiel | just that they fail at some point :P |
| 22:30.57 | nevcairiel | besides, hdd space is as cheap as RAM |
| 22:31.00 | nevcairiel | so what do i care :D |
| 22:32.02 | wereHamster | but much slower, I'd rather close applications then having them swapped out |
| 22:32.42 | nevcairiel | restarting is reading from hdd too |
| 22:32.50 | bleeter | swapoff(8) -a for maximum lolz |
| 22:33.27 | foxlit | "Usenix HotSec '08" |
| 22:33.39 | foxlit | ah, come on, now they're just asking you to misread that |
| 22:34.00 | bleeter | for the truly crazy, write a loop that randomly takes our your swap partition, create a swap file, use that, then swapoff to remove the swap file and reuse the swap partition etc. |
| 22:35.18 | nevcairiel | windows even has a bsod stop message if somethign trys to request swap but there is none :) |
| 22:37.18 | wereHamster | why would anyone specifically request swap? It's like: I don't care whether there is free RAM, I _want_ the slow swap!! |
| 22:37.20 | bleeter | back to that 20,000 ticket queueue, I wonder if the GMs were wishing there were some 'master kill switch' that'd disable people addon's from Blizz's side ;) |
| 22:37.42 | batrick | Shirik: did you decide to wait for the nehalems or no? |
| 22:37.47 | Shirik | probably |
| 22:37.55 | batrick | good man |
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| 22:38.21 | batrick | the only thing I don't like is I'll have to buy a new motherboard but whatever |
| 22:38.27 | Shirik | I have to buy one anyway |
| 22:38.40 | batrick | I'll just make another comp or something |
| 22:38.51 | batrick | file server iono |
| 22:39.45 | Kirov | batrick - it's those days that make me go "holy crap, that many people still use titan / cosmos?" |
| 22:39.59 | Lunessa | wereHamster: Actually lots of image editing tools make extensive use of swap and even their own virtual memory schemes. TIFF files are frikkin' huge. |
| 22:41.18 | amro | bleeter: that sounds like a good idea actually |
| 22:41.32 | amro | except they'd come back on with a "WHAAA WHERE ARE MY ADDONS" ticket |
| 22:42.04 | bleeter | nup, just a dialog 'addon(s) x,y,z have been disabled, please refer to (UI Forum) for further info', and a sticky in UI Forum. |
| 22:43.23 | Lunessa | http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/17/must-watch-zack-snyders-watchmen-trailer-absolutely-stunning/ |
| 22:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ~logs |
| 22:43.44 | purl | i heard logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 22:44.41 | wereHamster | Lunessa: image editing applications don't load the whole file into memory anymore, they load only the parts they need (at least gimp and photoshop). Loading the whole file if you only need to edit a small part, and filling up the whole system memory and swap is just stupid |
| 22:45.54 | Lunessa | wereHamster: Even so both the named applications create their own rather large "swap" files at start up. Photoshop most specifically. |
| 22:46.21 | Lunessa | All I'm saying is swap space isn't stupid. |
| 22:46.44 | wereHamster | no, for specific uses not. But for the the average user it is |
| 22:47.23 | wereHamster | and gimp uses some kind of tiled buffers and doesn't create a large swap file at startup |
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| 22:47.49 | cog|work | umm ... forgive me if this sounds naive, but how could it possibly display the picture if it doesn't load the whole thing? Also, my computer has two orders of magnitude more ram than the largest image file I've ever seen... |
| 22:48.22 | nevcairiel | image files grow extensively in size once they are loaded |
| 22:48.23 | Lunessa | And in the name of "ease of use" and "shouldn't need extensive training to use" OSs just do things. *shrug* I used t run XP with no swap, but it wasn't all that much better than with swap... so I just let Windows do its thing. |
| 22:48.27 | nevcairiel | at least photoshop files |
| 22:48.53 | cog|work | i suppose with 7 or 8 layers with varying amounts of information per pixel i can see that |
| 22:48.59 | Lunessa | cog|work: Raw images for magazine layouts get into the mutli-gigbyte size. |
| 22:49.20 | wereHamster | cog|work: depends on how you are viewing the image. |
| 22:50.59 | nevcairiel | Besides, it doesnt harm you to have some swap. What happens if your ram is full with swap? Right, it swaps it in there. What happens without swap? I guess you get a error msg? :) I would prefer some harddrive action to errors :D |
| 22:52.04 | wereHamster | "ram full of swap"? what does that mean? |
| 22:52.31 | nevcairiel | I never wrote that, you copy stuff out of your ass! |
| 22:52.38 | Thunder_Child | actually he said "ram is full with swap" |
| 22:52.49 | wereHamster | s/of/with/ |
| 22:53.03 | nevcairiel | ram is full, and you have swap enabled |
| 22:53.04 | wereHamster | there.. happy now? |
| 22:53.05 | nevcairiel | better? :P |
| 22:53.19 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, thats not what you said |
| 22:53.30 | Thunder_Child | that may be what you meant but it came across way different |
| 22:54.04 | nevcairiel | I know what i wanted to say, i dont care what you make of it :P |
| 22:54.25 | wereHamster | the thing is, under normal circumstances, you shouldn't run out of ram. The average user I mean. Of course if you are running VMs or editing multi-GB images, you probably need swap, I'm not denying that. |
| 22:54.27 | Thunder_Child | yes you do, otherwise whats the point of communication |
| 22:54.37 | Thunder_Child | communicating |
| 22:55.09 | Thunder_Child | FF+WoW will run me over 2GB of ram |
| 22:55.23 | nevcairiel | How do you manage that o.O |
| 22:55.30 | nevcairiel | My wow runs at about 700-800 |
| 22:55.40 | wereHamster | Thunder_Child: how much Fx and WoW separately? |
| 22:55.44 | foxlit | It's Fx, np |
| 22:55.53 | Thunder_Child | wow is ~1.2 the rest was FF |
| 22:55.55 | nevcairiel | I've seen my Fx use 200 |
| 22:55.58 | foxlit | just open some more tabs :) |
| 22:55.58 | Thunder_Child | this was before FF3 |
| 22:55.59 | nevcairiel | but not more |
| 22:56.07 | foxlit | my wow is at 600 at the moment |
| 22:56.50 | bleeter | change window managers? |
| 22:56.55 | Industrial | wow is 600-700 here |
| 22:56.59 | wereHamster | my Fx is at 248KB (yes, Kilo Byte) |
| 22:57.09 | nevcairiel | your broke firefox! |
| 22:57.14 | Thunder_Child | this was a while ago though since i dont play wow anymore and FF3 has less memory leaks |
| 22:57.34 | Kirov | my firefox is 174 megs |
| 22:57.36 | nevcairiel | my Fx starts with 37MB after launching |
| 22:57.44 | nevcairiel | i do run some extensions, though |
| 22:58.05 | Kirov | I'm listening to pandora |
| 22:58.06 | Thunder_Child | it's running @ ~100,000KB right now |
| 22:58.14 | Kirov | and I've been watching flash videos |
| 22:58.26 | Thunder_Child | 16 tabs |
| 22:58.51 | cog|work | My opera is using ~400MB but i'm a tab whole... i've got 30 in the trash and 8 open >< |
| 22:59.00 | cog|work | s/whole/whore/ |
| 22:59.11 | wereHamster | oops, I looked at the 'firefox' process. 'firefox-bin' eats 22MB after start |
| 22:59.20 | Industrial | haha. |
| 22:59.28 | bleeter | my FF on startup is 191Virt, 43Res, 19 Shared |
| 22:59.32 | Thunder_Child | though going to a single site such as diablo 3 increases it by ~40MB |
| 23:01.31 | foxlit | and codejam results are in |
| 23:05.00 | Dashkal | random math question. in radians, how many pi is a circle? 2? |
| 23:05.10 | Shirik | 2pi |
| 23:05.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:05.13 | Dashkal | danke |
| 23:05.31 | amro | pi is only half a pie |
| 23:05.32 | selckin | 1 pie doesn't fill your belly |
| 23:06.20 | Dashkal | totally doesn't |
| 23:06.22 | Lunessa | piR^2 which is odd, because circles are round. :P |
| 23:06.48 | Dashkal | trying to locate 6 points around a circle centered on a given point. the math, it taunts me so |
| 23:07.00 | Dashkal | Now I have to rember theta and polar conversions *sighs* |
| 23:07.25 | Lunessa | Circle or sphere? |
| 23:07.29 | Kirov | If you get your pi from walgreens, you'll need at least 2 or 3, if you get it from costco, 1 will be more than enough. |
| 23:07.42 | Dashkal | Circle |
| 23:07.54 | cog|work | Lunessa: UR WRONG!!! |
| 23:07.55 | cog|work | http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=pi+r+square&word2=pi+r+round |
| 23:07.56 | Dashkal | I'm drawing a little animated circle of dots |
| 23:08.00 | cog|work | PROOF ^ |
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| 23:08.32 | Dashkal | mmm, better bake myself upa square pie then |
| 23:08.50 | Lunessa | cog|work: For my honor I must commit seppuku. WIll you be my second? |
| 23:09.19 | amro | just bleed to death, more honorable |
| 23:09.42 | Lunessa | No, my head must be cut off if it appears I will show pain and lose face. |
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| 23:10.25 | cog|work | Lunessa: i'll be your first |
| 23:10.33 | cog|work | ^ |
| 23:10.39 | Lunessa | ... |
| 23:10.44 | cog|work | err... ^_^ |
| 23:10.45 | Lunessa | So many jokes... |
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| 23:11.42 | Shirik | Dashkal: I do this all the time so, just ask |
| 23:12.01 | Shirik | y = rsint, x = rcost |
| 23:12.32 | Shirik | e^jt = cost + jsint |
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| 23:18.04 | Dashkal | Shirik: heh, I suppose that would have been easier. |
| 23:18.20 | Dashkal | But I needed the 2pi bit anyway so I could build theta |
| 23:18.42 | Dashkal | fortunately I didn't have to convert /into/ polar, just back to cartestian |
| 23:19.07 | amro | at least you don't have to do it on paper |
| 23:19.14 | Dashkal | amro: agreed |
| 23:20.27 | Lunessa | Necro post is necroed. |
| 23:20.39 | cog|work | nah... damn things keep logging me out |
| 23:21.19 | cog|work | the jsessionid in the link screws it all up |
| 23:21.21 | cog|work | neway |
| 23:21.28 | cog|away | time for home |
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| 23:23.38 | Kirov | hmm... pastey is down |
| 23:23.59 | wereHamster | pastebin.??? |
| 23:24.14 | wereHamster | .com or .ca |
| 23:24.33 | Kirov | http://pastebin.com/m41ca6e8e |
| 23:24.40 | Kirov | rotating dots of awesome |
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| 23:25.21 | Kirov | (in 20 lines of lua) |
| 23:25.31 | Kirov | opps |
| 23:25.38 | Kirov | typo in there |
| 23:25.43 | Kirov | that should be math.pi / 3 |
| 23:25.46 | Kirov | not / 6 |
| 23:26.30 | Kirov | also ... hmm |
| 23:26.43 | [dRaCo] | what's it good for? |
| 23:27.05 | Kirov | http://pastebin.com/d3a7f709e |
| 23:27.20 | Kirov | that should actually tun |
| 23:27.21 | Kirov | run |
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| 23:27.33 | Kirov | [dRaCo] - it has to be good for something? |
| 23:27.40 | Kirov | It makes dots rotate on your screen! |
| 23:27.44 | [dRaCo] | dunno, was just wondering |
| 23:28.20 | Kirov | Good for your generic loading screen spinny circle. |
| 23:29.01 | Kirov | actually, I may update my addon to use that instead of the swirl of doom I have now. |
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| 23:31.18 | Kirov | hmm... it may be time for me to write my own dropdown menu |
| 23:31.21 | |Yssaril| | so now the circle swirly thing that is everywhere has invaded wow now? |
| 23:31.39 | wereHamster | Kirov: if you want a loading animation, use one of the 'ajax' loading icons: http://www.ajaxload.info/ |
| 23:31.41 | Kirov | |Yssaril| - mwahahahaha!... maybe |
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| 23:32.07 | Guest773 | is the update server down? |
| 23:32.19 | Cairenn | for what? |
| 23:32.48 | Cairenn | Guest773: ? |
| 23:32.55 | Cairenn | the update server for what? |
| 23:32.55 | Guest773 | I trade to patch Cosmos, but it won't run, it says there is an error connecting to the server |
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| 23:32.56 | Kirov | Guest773 - yes, it is down |
| 23:33.09 | Kirov | Cairenn - can you add that to the topic please? |
| 23:33.21 | Cairenn | yes, it does seem to be having problems - you'll have to update manually |
| 23:33.26 | Guest773 | ok |
| 23:33.46 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: ^^ |
| 23:34.21 | Kirov | ~seen AnduinLothar |
| 23:34.22 | purl | anduinlothar is currently on #wowuidev #wowace. Has said a total of 30 messages. Is idling for 16h 6m 47s, last said: 'NotesUNeed might also be bugged'. |
| 23:34.58 | Kirov | I think before that he said, "Yeah, someone should fix that" or something along those lines. |
| 23:35.07 | Kirov | (in response to being asked about the server) |
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| 23:36.42 | foxlit | Hah, amazing |
| 23:36.58 | foxlit | if gap < (flyRadius*2) then return 0; end |
| 23:37.08 | Kirov | ? |
| 23:37.14 | foxlit | that 0 should've been a 1, and that's the only thing wrong with my submission :) |
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| 23:43.31 | |Jelly| | ~hug Cairenn |
| 23:43.31 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 23:43.47 | |Jelly| | How is everyone today? |
| 23:44.12 | Shirik | ~kill |Jelly| |
| 23:44.13 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited fluxquark gun at |Jelly| |
| 23:44.52 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 23:46.51 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort |Jelly| |
| 23:46.52 | purl | There, there, |Jelly|. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:47.04 | |Jelly| | ~botsnack |
| 23:47.04 | purl | thanks, |Jelly| |
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| 23:49.14 | Codex| | Hey gues, Im here for character name advice |
| 23:49.18 | Codex| | Human mage |
| 23:49.20 | Codex| | guys* |
| 23:49.30 | |Jelly| | Chino |
| 23:49.39 | Codex| | my normal alias is taken, so, here are some names i thought up |
| 23:50.04 | Codex| | datawraith, codewraith, cheater, infiniteloop, stacktrace. dividebyzero,nullpointer |
| 23:50.13 | Codex| | all the good fire mage ones were taken-- caustic, zippo, etc |
| 23:50.27 | Codex| | also was thinking of corrosion or sorrosive |
| 23:50.30 | Codex| | corrosive* |
| 23:50.38 | foxlit | Hydroxide! |
| 23:50.51 | Codex| | thats for a frost mage :P |
| 23:50.58 | Codex| | the hole hydro part :P |
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| 23:51.02 | Codex| | whole* |
| 23:51.07 | |Jelly| | Exactly! They'll never see it coming. |
| 23:51.16 | Thunder_Child | Cheater is still avaliable? |
| 23:51.19 | Raynor | anyone know the status of the patcher being fixed? |
| 23:51.20 | Codex| | yea |
| 23:51.25 | Codex| | but its more of a rogue name |
| 23:51.32 | [dRaCo] | O |
| 23:51.33 | |Jelly| | You gotta reverse psychologize these people! :P |
| 23:51.49 | Codex| | thunder- you can picture a mage named cheater? :P |
| 23:51.52 | [dRaCo] | I'd call him UglyMaleInADress :/ |
| 23:52.00 | Kirov | Raynor - the cosmos patcher is fine, the server is down |
| 23:52.00 | Codex| | im lookin for a synonym for Caustic maybe |
| 23:52.07 | Codex| | corrosive is cool- but very warlockish |
| 23:52.17 | Raynor | thanks |
| 23:52.24 | Codex| | and my alias has been taken by a 41 hunter |
| 23:52.33 | |Yssaril| | Codex|: how about Icritmore? |
| 23:52.38 | Thunder_Child | i have Blazeofglory for my fire mage |
| 23:53.06 | Codex| | nah, i want to stay away from a compound setnence-name |
| 23:53.06 | Codex| | never was a fan |
| 23:53.13 | Codex| | maybe siriondil or caradhras from LOTR? |
| 23:55.18 | Thunder_Child | or something origional |
| 23:55.31 | |Jelly| | ~agree TC |
| 23:55.32 | purl | ACTION forces TC to agree with |jelly|. "Its no matter, |jelly| is always right TC" |
| 23:55.34 | Thunder_Child | like my spelling of the word |
| 23:55.42 | |Jelly| | Yeah. That too. |
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