| 00:06.40 | Shirik | I really like how I closed firefox 3 minutes ago and Pandora is still playing |
| 00:07.09 | Shirik | oh it stopped |
| 00:07.47 | DARKGuy | yay thanks Shirik |
| 00:08.06 | DARKGuy | what about a page that tells me the number of characters in a realm? |
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| 00:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wtf |
| 00:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I loaded my mage into Rawr |
| 00:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And... it suggested that I use a Smoking Heart of the Mountain in a trinket slot |
| 00:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 00:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 00:23.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty close to what I'm thinking |
| 00:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=11811 |
| 00:25.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I know, I made one to level up my enchanting skill Back In The Day. |
| 00:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I find it 'unique' at best that it suggested that I throw one of those in there in place of a Hex Shrunken Head |
| 00:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | Shrunken Heads are so yesterday. |
| 00:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | What is today then?! |
| 00:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | Um, today. |
| 00:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | Hello. Check the calendar. |
| 00:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be honest, I have no idea whay day it is |
| 00:29.49 | Tem | Wednesday? |
| 00:29.52 | Tem | no, Tuesday |
| 00:29.54 | Tem | I think |
| 00:30.05 | Tem | definitely tuesday |
| 00:30.08 | Tem | we're doing hyjal |
| 00:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | Tuesday. Maintenance. |
| 00:30.34 | Tem | I sleep or working during that time so I never notice |
| 00:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I didn't get to sleep until 6:00 AM or so |
| 00:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooooo |
| 00:31.18 | Lopeppeppy | Get a magic watch that tells you the day/date/time. All set! |
| 00:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, a /magic/ watch? |
| 00:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 00:31.34 | Lopeppeppy | Runs on butter. |
| 00:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not sure how I feel about that |
| 00:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's not a good thing |
| 00:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | Get more sleep, then you'll be in better shape to judge the worthiness of my magical treasures. |
| 00:32.22 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 00:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I just have images of watches leaking butter on people |
| 00:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think that would do good things to keyboards, mice, or pens |
| 00:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Isn't that fantastic? |
| 00:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | My wrist does not go over my keyboard, why does yours? |
| 00:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | You presumably have even larger hands than I do. |
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| 00:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It wouldn't do very good things to steering wheels either |
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| 00:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | In fact that'd be downright messy in the summer |
| 00:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | Well... use a joystick then. |
| 00:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And amazingly annoying in the winter |
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| 00:45.25 | DARKGuy | you can use it for bread though |
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| 01:05.13 | Tekkub | http://www.lively.com/ <--- google's take on second life? |
| 01:07.40 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:07.48 | Shirik | is there anything google isn't taking over? |
| 01:07.58 | Hjalte | Who wants to play cowboy?! |
| 01:08.12 | Hjalte | (bang bang) |
| 01:08.42 | Tekkub | I still don't understand the point of SL |
| 01:08.56 | |pez | irc with nasty graphics. |
| 01:09.01 | Tekkub | I mean... would wow be any fun if there weren't like, quests? |
| 01:09.06 | durcyn | it's the metaverse, man. |
| 01:09.09 | durcyn | didn't you read snow crash |
| 01:09.16 | Tekkub | nope |
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| 01:15.31 | bleeter | oO there's now an 'Oceanic Realms Forum' |
| 01:16.01 | bleeter | guess Blizz finally got the idea thru their head that there's a lot of pissed off aussie players out there, and best to keep the 'tude all in one place |
| 01:16.16 | Kaso | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php - Bad |
| 01:16.19 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/2a28867652f648323a221961e78a300379aef88e/CAD%20Fixed.jpg - Good |
| 01:16.30 | Kaso | It simple how easy it is to fix cad |
| 01:17.11 | Tekkub | yea well, that's cad for you |
| 01:17.26 | Tekkub | *insert ZeroPunc image of miscarrage here* |
| 01:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | I wish to express my angst that my authentication issues have lasted well over an hour. *sigh* |
| 01:17.57 | Corrodias | you should try cutting |
| 01:18.05 | Tekkub | floppy, start a livejournal, I hear hat's where angst is expressed |
| 01:18.14 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/09e057958cac78ce83e725ce11dfa40e64a41659/cadwords.jpg |
| 01:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | I have an LJ, Tekkub. Unfortunately I used up my angst quota venting my bad day at work! :P |
| 01:22.05 | Tekkub | oh, well we don't want to hear your angstipation angst here |
| 01:22.09 | Tekkub | take it somewhere else |
| 01:24.39 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. *poke* |
| 01:28.01 | Tekkub | Kaso, take the imp's texts from http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/94 and add it to the frames on http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20080602 |
| 01:28.04 | Tekkub | PERFECT! |
| 01:30.02 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: :P |
| 01:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: direct quote from the sticky |
| 01:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: YOU CANNOT BLAME ME FOR DOING THAT |
| 01:31.51 | Shirik | :( What's wrong Lopeppeppy |
| 01:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | 21:17 <+Lopeppeppy> I wish to express my angst that my authentication issues have lasted well over an hour. *sigh* |
| 01:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That, I'd have to guess |
| 01:32.06 | Shirik | I know that |
| 01:32.22 | Shirik | is it only her or what? |
| 01:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: +1 post in that thread |
| 01:32.49 | Kaso | Tekkub, Dear God! What sort of marvellous monstrosity is this! |
| 01:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | The whole server had it for a while, but my ISP seems to be holding onto it or something. I'm still stuck. :( |
| 01:33.08 | Tekkub | you like? |
| 01:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 01:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | I was supposed to be interviewing SomePaladin tonight. Yaar. |
| 01:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm curious as to what could cause that |
| 01:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: lol, now my quote is entirely out of context because the person I quoted just got post nuked, hahhahaha |
| 01:36.20 | Lopeppeppy | Cause Time Warner Cable to be hateful, ScytheBlade1? They just doooo eeeet. |
| 01:37.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: well if you're cleaning, then I wouldn't suggest restarting your router and going start --> run --> "ipconfig /flushdns" just to see |
| 01:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeing as you aren't there to do it. :) |
| 01:38.06 | Shirik | agree |
| 01:38.31 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: or did the poster nuke it themselves? |
| 01:38.32 | Shirik | also, woot, I just got momentics to connect to my VMWare'd QNX successfully |
| 01:38.46 | Shirik | no more trying to compile within VMWare |
| 01:38.48 | Shirik | so painful... |
| 01:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I can't see why someone that thick would nuke it on their own |
| 01:39.03 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I didn't see what they'd posted, so... no idea really |
| 01:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: besides. posting about moderated topics ;) |
| 01:39.13 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, ScytheBlade1, I'll do that right before bed. I've missed my appointment by 2 hours now, which is stupid evil. |
| 01:39.14 | bleeter | ah |
| 01:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: he got a ban on his other account (for the first quote) |
| 01:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: and then the second quote, nothing was modified |
| 01:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: Whoops! |
| 01:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: if I'm guessing right, his second forum account just got post nuked + banned for posting concerning moderated content ;) |
| 01:40.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's totally a Not Peppy thing to do. |
| 01:41.21 | bleeter | god though, if I see another 'local servers and local maint time' request, I'm gunna scream |
| 01:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Goodbye, the future's sold out, there's no use screaming. Who thought we'd ever get this far? <-- amazingly optimistic song |
| 01:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
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| 01:51.59 | bleeter | YOU DON'T MAKE ME FEEL... LIKE I'M A WOMAN ANYMOOORRRRREEE |
| 01:52.19 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. |
| 01:52.23 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort bleeter |
| 01:52.24 | purl | There, there, bleeter. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 02:03.01 | Thunder_Child | comfort bleeter? |
| 02:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes I did. |
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| 02:07.52 | Thunder_Child | fail Lopeppeppy, fail |
| 02:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | Why? For a random act of kindness? |
| 02:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | is it wrong of me to give 1-star ratings to mods on wowi that have long and idiotic names that make the most-recently-updated-mod list look ugly? |
| 02:18.04 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, for doing it to bleeter |
| 02:19.01 | Lopeppeppy | TC, the thing that makes it random, and that makes it me, is that it doesn't matter who I was nice to. |
| 02:19.04 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: only if it's not the Super Jujanta 2000 Peril Chromatic Sunglasses addon |
| 02:19.12 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: ;) |
| 02:19.17 | Gnarfoz | 200. |
| 02:19.20 | bleeter | *peril sensitive |
| 02:19.23 | bleeter | ok, 200 |
| 02:19.25 | Gnarfoz | 2000 is so not THTTG |
| 02:19.25 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 02:19.26 | bleeter | :P |
| 02:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: in this case, it wasn't, but i make no guarantees about the future. :P |
| 02:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | aside.. there's an addon named that? o_0 |
| 02:20.15 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, it's very hard to tease bleeter when your throwing things like logic around |
| 02:20.19 | bleeter | fer sure |
| 02:20.33 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: it turns the screen completely black when you're CC'd, so you don't get too scared |
| 02:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | thats fucking awesome. |
| 02:20.47 | bleeter | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7252-JooJanta200Super-ChromaticPerilSensitiveSunglasses.html |
| 02:21.04 | Lopeppeppy | TC, you can tease bleeter all you want. Just because i was nice once doesn't mean I'll do it again! |
| 02:21.07 | bleeter | well, not completely.. chats, unit frames and minimap are still there |
| 02:21.39 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, see i was teasing him through you...you were a gateway tease |
| 02:21.51 | bleeter | tc, lp.. funny thing was, I was merely 'singing' :P |
| 02:22.38 | Thunder_Child | badly |
| 02:22.44 | bleeter | man, I so need a *nix media player that doesn't totally freak out at a 30,000 file music directory |
| 02:22.45 | Thunder_Child | i dont think thats the lyrics |
| 02:23.04 | bleeter | *that's mounted via sftp/nfs |
| 02:23.54 | bleeter | TC: Very much so the lyrics, hard to mistake Mark Seymour's voice |
| 02:24.00 | Atriace | I feel this close to just throwing in the towel and giving up on this code. Sometimes I feel like I'm so close, and yet after today, I feel like crap. |
| 02:24.46 | Atriace | It works near perfectly on my computer, fresh install, and yet on a friend's computer (also fresh install) nothing works. |
| 02:25.18 | bleeter | TC: double check the lyrics for me please, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaLF80904ms ... the most under-rated aussie band of all time fwiw |
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| 02:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: xmms2! |
| 02:27.11 | bleeter | OH YEAH.... YOU DON'T MAKE ME FEEL... LIKE I'M A WOMAN ANYMOOORRRRREEE |
| 02:27.17 | bleeter | oops, that slipped out |
| 02:27.24 | bleeter | youtube made me do it |
| 02:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | This is why I don't have flash installed. |
| 02:27.35 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: yeah, been thinking 'bout giving it a spin |
| 02:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: it's pretty! pretty useful! |
| 02:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM's pretty useful. |
| 02:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I use their git repo and pull every so often. |
| 02:28.13 | bleeter | I'd been using mpd, but for some reason it's decided to start freaking my server out with DMA issues... worked fine for about a week, then blammo :( |
| 02:28.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never liked mpd. It just seems like a crappier version of xmms2, despite being much less beta than xmms2 |
| 02:28.59 | bleeter | it's much older than xmms2 :P |
| 02:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Much much older |
| 02:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And yet I still find I like xmms2 about 1000x better |
| 02:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/XMMS2_vs_MPD |
| 02:30.16 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i was thinking of a diff song it seems |
| 02:31.52 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: problem, binary xmms2 for my distro is on a linux site that's in chinese, can't find an srpm to liberate a spec file :( |
| 02:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: plus, xmms2 has an awesome "won't do" page: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/What_XMMS2_will_not_do |
| 02:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: bah, you've built wine-git. xmms2 should not even be a problem :P |
| 02:32.17 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: oh, I'm not doubting it's abilities.. just... 'ease' of install :P |
| 02:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: ./waf configure; ./waf install |
| 02:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 02:32.43 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: yeah, I'd still like a .spec file from someone else though, I hate writing those bastards nearly as much as I hate sendmail.cf ;) |
| 02:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Then don't write one ;) |
| 02:32.54 | bleeter | that's a lot of hate in that sentence |
| 02:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | There is |
| 02:33.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you need more inner peace |
| 02:33.27 | ScytheBlade1 | * Main commands: configure build install clean dist distclean uninstall |
| 02:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really just that easy |
| 02:33.31 | bleeter | oh, looky.... mandrivel has a .spec |
| 02:33.37 | ScytheBlade1 | git-pull and then use waf |
| 02:33.53 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: yes, maybe for my crapboxes, but not on THE server thx :P |
| 02:34.22 | bleeter | see I'll be adding the git repo to my tailor script and pulling locally then throwing it at the build system I have |
| 02:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 02:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be loading it onto an embedded board that runs off of a compact flash card and then throwing some wifi in it, and connecting it to a digital receiver |
| 02:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I'll be adding pulseaudio to the mix and have one awesome stereo |
| 02:35.34 | bleeter | egads.. what's this lib64 fixes? http://svn.mandriva.com/svn/packages/cooker/xmms2/current/SPECS/xmms2.spec |
| 02:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Heck if I know. I just build it by source ;) |
| 02:37.31 | bleeter | ah, looking at this mandrivel stuff looks like they don't include 64bit library search paths in the default build. whether that's mandrival's crap or xmms2... /shrug |
| 02:37.48 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ mandrivel |
| 02:37.52 | bleeter | http://svn.mandriva.com/svn/packages/cooker/xmms2/releases/0.5/0.DrLecter.2mdv2009.0/SOURCES/xmms2-lib64_fix.diff |
| 02:38.30 | bleeter | seriously, mandrivel. people should think about what they name stuff more. Like M$'s 'OneCare' sounds awfully like 'Wanker' |
| 02:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You should really just look into using the xmms2 build system, they did a fantastic job with it |
| 02:39.14 | bleeter | well, if it's so fantastic why are they 'hosting' my distro's build on a website that's all in chinese? :P |
| 02:39.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh come now, it's just any other open source project |
| 02:39.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You know better than to bash it on that :P |
| 02:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's probably just some guy who wanted to do it, who... is chinese. |
| 02:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 02:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Application Options: |
| 02:40.24 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.31 | bleeter | oh, you meant the system to build an arbitrary binary, not an actual build system that xmms2 uses to build their foo |
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| 02:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 02:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | LD_PREFIX_PATH=../lib/ <-- that's not the variable I'm looking for, what is the one I'm looking for? |
| 02:44.13 | Iriel | LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 02:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Iriel++ |
| 02:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it, thanks :) |
| 02:45.49 | bleeter | LD_LIBRARY_PATH is evil and should've DIAF last century |
| 02:46.08 | Kaso | you dont want to sell my death sticks |
| 02:46.26 | Kaso | *sell me |
| 02:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: then maybe you shouldn't use xmms2 :P |
| 02:47.09 | bleeter | Maybe they should just code properly ;) |
| 02:47.21 | kd3 | meh, I couldn't get xmms2 to build on f9. I'm back to using rhythmbox right now, annoyingly |
| 02:47.37 | bleeter | oh, well screw this. if kd3 couldn't.... ;) |
| 02:47.37 | Cralor` | how would i going about having Frame1 show up after entering a slash command? |
| 02:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a matter of coding it properly, it's them choosing not to use (whichever compiler flag that I forget) that isn't cross-platform portable |
| 02:49.32 | Yssaril | Cralor`: Frame1:Show()? |
| 02:49.46 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: -rpath is semi-portable :P |
| 02:49.48 | Cralor` | i have that now. i'm doing something wrong |
| 02:49.56 | Cralor` | here let me get it pastied |
| 02:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: that's the one! and semi-portable indeed, emphasis on semi |
| 02:50.42 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90996. sorry i'm kind of new at this stuff |
| 02:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | With that said, I believe that they coded their startup scripts to accept other than default prefix installs, I just don't use their scripts |
| 02:50.59 | bleeter | Cralor`: no probs, everyone starts somewhere :) |
| 02:51.28 | Yssaril | where is your frame code? |
| 02:51.35 | Cralor` | for Frame1? |
| 02:51.39 | Yssaril | yar |
| 02:51.50 | Cralor` | hehe ok lemme just post my small Lua code |
| 02:52.11 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90997 |
| 02:52.45 | Yssaril | is Frame1 created via XML then ? |
| 02:52.51 | Iriel | Yes, that doesn't work |
| 02:53.02 | Iriel | because you CALL Frame1:Show() and then assign its result to your command |
| 02:53.03 | Iriel | you want |
| 02:53.04 | Cralor` | yea i used XML |
| 02:53.13 | Iriel | SlashCmdList["MYADDON"] = function() Frame1:Show(); end |
| 02:53.24 | Cralor` | on line 16? |
| 02:53.32 | Iriel | yes |
| 02:53.37 | Cralor` | thank you very much :D |
| 02:54.33 | Cralor` | so i was calling the result of Frame1:Show()? |
| 02:54.44 | Iriel | Well, you were showing frame1 |
| 02:54.46 | Iriel | right away |
| 02:54.53 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: some good points on why all three ways of getitng your library path are fairly ... sucky to various degrees ;) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/rpath.html |
| 02:55.01 | Iriel | then assigning the result (likely nil) to the method to call |
| 02:55.04 | Cralor` | yea i wanted to make it show when it's hidden |
| 02:55.07 | Iriel | since you weren't getting weird errors, I suspect it was nil |
| 02:55.14 | Cralor` | yea it was nil :D |
| 02:55.19 | Iriel | You need to put the stuff you want to run into a closure |
| 02:55.40 | Cralor` | closure? (sorry!) |
| 02:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: "(and then to set it only in a wrapper around a particular application, and never in your general shell environment)." <-- that is what is done |
| 02:56.17 | Yssaril | Cralor`: stuff it in a function :P function() do stuff inside closure end |
| 02:56.26 | Cralor` | ahh |
| 02:56.40 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: ah, well as I han't actually pulled anything, I was unaware... Thx :) |
| 02:56.47 | Cralor` | ok thanks |
| 02:57.00 | Yssaril | Cralor`: http://www.lua.org/pil/6.1.html |
| 02:57.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I really like the project. They have their heads screwed on straight, have some great performance in terms of CPU and memory requirements, an awesome build system, and just as a whole the project is going places. |
| 02:58.03 | bleeter | except on F9 :P |
| 02:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't use F9 |
| 02:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I've built it on both debian and gentoo |
| 02:59.07 | Cralor` | Yssaril: Thanks. i will have to read this thoroughly :D |
| 03:00.01 | Yssaril | Cralor`: http://www.lua.org/pil/ as a whole is extreamly helpfull also http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ is a great reference |
| 03:00.32 | Cralor` | awesome |
| 03:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: anyone who says "awesome" to links to the PiL and the manual are good in my book. ;) |
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| 03:01.11 | Cralor` | lol |
| 03:01.26 | Cralor` | i'm just interested in learning =( it is tough, i have to say that |
| 03:01.37 | Cralor` | =) |
| 03:01.39 | Cralor` | * |
| 03:02.07 | Yssaril | start small thats all i am gonna say and test your code often |
| 03:02.30 | Cralor` | yea that's what i'm doing now :D i took a tutorial and now i'm trying to add different things to it |
| 03:02.47 | Cralor` | like the slash command. which i just tried. still doesn't work =/ |
| 03:02.52 | Yssaril | i usually put print statements all over my code to check out intermediate results and correct execution paths (just dont forget to take them out before relesing :P) |
| 03:03.24 | Cralor` | couldn't you comment them out? |
| 03:04.09 | bleeter | TypeError: unbound method __init__() must be called with copyobj instance as first argument (got pkgcobj instance instead) |
| 03:04.16 | bleeter | yup, lovely build system |
| 03:04.38 | Yssaril | Cralor`: yea but it gets ugly that way after a while so i just take them out cause they have served their purpose at that point :) |
| 03:04.56 | Cralor` | yea haha |
| 03:05.48 | Cralor` | ok so i added what Iriel told me, but i dont know if i explained it right. i'm trying to make the slash command call Frame1 if it is hidden (closed) |
| 03:06.06 | Cralor` | so i guess it could hide it if it was open too, but i have a button for that |
| 03:06.07 | Iriel | Are you sure that MyAddon_OnLoad is being called? |
| 03:06.20 | Cralor` | no =/ |
| 03:06.30 | Cralor` | MyAddon is the name of my addon :D |
| 03:06.39 | Cralor` | is it suppose to be like that? |
| 03:06.48 | Iriel | You can just put that code directly in the .lua file |
| 03:06.54 | Iriel | i.e. remove function MyAddon_OnLoad() |
| 03:06.57 | Iriel | and the matching end |
| 03:07.02 | Cralor` | ok |
| 03:07.18 | Cralor` | and try it like that? |
| 03:07.51 | Iriel | indeed |
| 03:08.44 | Cralor` | yep. it works :D say i left MyAddon_OnLoad in. what would i need to add to call it correctly? |
| 03:09.21 | Fisker- | around me, never relax |
| 03:09.44 | Iriel | Cralor`: You'd need to call it from one of the XML script handlers that WILL be called, or directly from your .lua |
| 03:10.49 | Cralor` | oh ok |
| 03:10.53 | Cralor` | thank you |
| 03:16.17 | Cralor` | do i have to make a new font string for each unit i have? |
| 03:16.43 | Cralor` | or, how can i combined units into one string |
| 03:17.01 | Cralor` | combine* |
| 03:21.17 | bleeter | kd3: so how far did your xmms2 build get? |
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| 03:21.29 | kd3 | sec |
| 03:22.00 | bleeter | kd3: soz, shoulda said... mine craps out @ section 63 |
| 03:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: saying what? |
| 03:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | also note, that sections are relative to the random libs installed on your machine. Check the end of the configure for more info |
| 03:22.56 | bleeter | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90998 |
| 03:23.37 | kd3 | src/clients/lib/xmmsclient++/bindata.cpp |
| 03:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.05 | bleeter | k, will try (kd3: same point as me) |
| 03:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I forget which lib you need installed for that to work |
| 03:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | All I know is that I installed it a long time ago and forgot about it :P |
| 03:24.35 | bleeter | yay for incompatible type warnings, too |
| 03:24.37 | Cralor` | FontString1:SetText(">>" .. UnitName("target") .. "<<"); |
| 03:24.48 | Cralor` | does anyone know how i could implement UnitRace into there too? |
| 03:25.17 | kd3 | huzzah, that worked |
| 03:25.22 | kd3 | bye rhythmbox! |
| 03:25.23 | bleeter | and for missing braces aroun initializers |
| 03:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:25.25 | kd3 | su |
| 03:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: close! |
| 03:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | come on... |
| 03:25.45 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:26.29 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: thx for the compile tip. I'll go back to (a) exmaining those mandrival patches, and (b) trying to remember how to drive git to pull their repository (yes, that is a subtle hint) |
| 03:26.35 | bleeter | *not so subtle |
| 03:26.45 | ScytheBlade1 | git-pull ? |
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| 03:28.06 | ScytheBlade1 | git-pull git://git.xmms.se/xmms2/xmms2-stable.git/ |
| 03:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Also s/stable/devel/ |
| 03:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Depending on what you please |
| 03:28.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I use devel, but I'm also a freak |
| 03:29.01 | Cralor` | anyone know? :D |
| 03:29.09 | Shirik | I have a better idea |
| 03:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: just like you implimented UnitName() ? |
| 03:29.33 | Shirik | emerge --unmerge git |
| 03:29.54 | Shirik | :P |
| 03:30.10 | Shirik | hahaha, I love this test suite one of my devs made |
| 03:30.12 | Shirik | output: |
| 03:30.16 | Shirik | test loaded |
| 03:30.16 | Shirik | running................You can't kill me...NOOO!!!, ahhhh!!!!! |
| 03:30.16 | Shirik | test unloaded |
| 03:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:30.45 | Shirik | all it does is execute the 4 required functions, load(), start(), cancel(), and unload() in order :P |
| 03:31.14 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: kd3: --without-optionals=a,b,c --without-plugins=a,b,c (where plugins and optionals are listed at the bottom of the configure) |
| 03:31.16 | Cralor` | ScytheBlade1: but i havent learned how to combine 2 Units into 1 FontString |
| 03:31.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: SetText(">>" .. UnitName("target") .. ">>" .. UnitRace("target")) |
| 03:32.19 | bleeter | ah, yeah... git clone |
| 03:32.23 | Cralor` | oh ok |
| 03:32.32 | Cralor` | thanks Scythe :D |
| 03:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: yup... *just* like you did UnitName() |
| 03:33.26 | Cralor` | yea |
| 03:33.28 | bleeter | kd3: something I noticed yesterday, Istanbul happily records the 3D from WoW. Last time I tried it (last year or late year before) it was a sure way to crash stuff ;) |
| 03:34.02 | Fisker- | istanbul eh? |
| 03:34.40 | bleeter | desktop video recorder for ... gnome, though maybe other stuff |
| 03:34.46 | bleeter | http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul |
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| 03:36.54 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Pop quiz. Worth it? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115051 |
| 03:37.35 | Cralor` | lol |
| 03:38.09 | Shirik | it's the only quad core with a 1600MHz FSB :( |
| 03:38.26 | Cralor` | it comes with a free game! :O |
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| 03:38.41 | Shirik | though if I spend a little more on the motherboard, I might be able to get dual quad cores |
| 03:38.49 | Shirik | I wonder if any board supports that yet |
| 03:39.02 | Cralor` | dont know. but i doubt it |
| 03:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: 136W is more than I'm interested in |
| 03:39.17 | Shirik | I would love to see me turn on my computer and 8 penguins pop up |
| 03:39.27 | Cralor` | but that's insane Shirik. my computer from newegg cost just as much as that CPU |
| 03:39.27 | Shirik | just to have someone see that when I turn on my computer |
| 03:39.30 | Shirik | and have them go "wtf" |
| 03:39.38 | Cralor` | lol |
| 03:40.04 | Shirik | Because I know we have a computer at our school that has something like 10 pop up |
| 03:40.13 | Cralor` | Scythe: sorry to keep bothering you. i have a problem here: FontString1:SetText(">>" .. UnitName("target") .. "<<"); |
| 03:40.20 | Cralor` | woops |
| 03:40.23 | Shirik | but that's a computer that interfaces with FAA data |
| 03:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I can almost guarantee that CPU would spend more time clocked down to the minimum supported speed than it would clocked all the way up |
| 03:40.30 | Cralor` | FontString1:SetText(">>" .. UnitName("target") .. UnitRace("target") .. UnitLevel("target") .. UnitClass("target")"<<"); |
| 03:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (For me at least) |
| 03:40.55 | Shirik | honestly I'm not concerned about the raw speed |
| 03:41.01 | Shirik | I'm more worried about the FSB speed |
| 03:41.25 | Shirik | and quad core is good just because of the elimination of context switches. And hell, I could dedicate processors by that point |
| 03:41.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. The 136W power consumption (admittedly max) is what gets me |
| 03:41.39 | Shirik | that is a lot, yes |
| 03:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a GPU that takes that. I don't need nor want a 1kw PSU |
| 03:41.55 | Cralor` | most people over due there PSU |
| 03:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: what's the problem? |
| 03:42.08 | Cralor` | Scythe: that looks fine? |
| 03:42.25 | Cralor` | because i get an error |
| 03:42.33 | Cralor` | on that line. it says: |
| 03:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: oh, no. You forgot one .. at the very end |
| 03:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: UnitClass("target")"<<" should be UnitClass("target") .. "<<" |
| 03:43.18 | Cralor` | ohh hehe stupid mistake |
| 03:43.39 | Cralor` | thanks for bearing with me =P |
| 03:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | There are worse mistaked :) |
| 03:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | *mistakes |
| 03:44.17 | bleeter | it's a lot easier to 'bear' with someone who seems to know what they're doing and can be guided, than having to put up with some idiot who won't listen ;) |
| 03:44.31 | bleeter | such as me! :D |
| 03:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I bought an 89W dual-core CPU quite a while back, despite having an option for a 135W (iirc) |
| 03:45.03 | Cralor` | lol bleeter |
| 03:45.04 | Shirik | you know honestly, now that I think about it |
| 03:45.08 | Shirik | 135W, let's see |
| 03:45.35 | Cralor` | i can't think of a computer that could need more than 750W |
| 03:45.51 | Shirik | lua> 2.2 * 14 |
| 03:45.51 | lua_bot | Shirik: 30.8 |
| 03:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: I know several, they all involve at least two high end video cards |
| 03:45.57 | Shirik | lua> 30.8 / 135 |
| 03:45.57 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.22814814814815 |
| 03:46.06 | Shirik | lua> 30.8 / 135 * 60 |
| 03:46.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: 13.688888888889 |
| 03:46.12 | Shirik | lol, on our robot's batteries |
| 03:46.18 | Shirik | that processor would last 13 minutes |
| 03:46.25 | Shirik | and that's just the batteries |
| 03:46.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:46.29 | Cralor` | ok fine, but not 1000 ;D |
| 03:46.30 | Shirik | er |
| 03:46.32 | Shirik | just the processor |
| 03:46.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And the 89W CPU? |
| 03:46.50 | Shirik | lua> 30.8 / 89 * 60 |
| 03:46.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: 20.76404494382 |
| 03:46.53 | Shirik | 20 minutes :P |
| 03:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 03:47.01 | Shirik | that's a little more acceptable |
| 03:47.03 | Shirik | we got 40 |
| 03:47.09 | ScytheBlade1 | You should consider modern CPUs in your robots ;D |
| 03:47.18 | Shirik | well we use mobile technology |
| 03:47.23 | Shirik | I think it's a 50W, entire system |
| 03:47.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, nice |
| 03:47.50 | Shirik | so Pentium M, etc. |
| 03:48.00 | Shirik | though we might step up the voltage a little this year |
| 03:48.15 | Shirik | since we're drawing almost 3 amps on the batteries right now |
| 03:48.19 | Shirik | which is near the limit |
| 03:49.06 | Shirik | add another battery, that's 21V, gives us |
| 03:49.11 | Shirik | lua> 21 * 2.2 |
| 03:49.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: 46.2 |
| 03:49.14 | Cralor` | Scythe, how can i space the Units apart? |
| 03:49.15 | Shirik | 46.2 watt-hours |
| 03:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: what does the .. operator do? |
| 03:49.49 | Cralor` | seperates the units |
| 03:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: so how would you add stuff to that? |
| 03:50.11 | Cralor` | make more dots? |
| 03:50.20 | Cralor` | lol |
| 03:50.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: you need to read the pil, lol |
| 03:50.33 | Cralor` | i know =( |
| 03:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: hint: you're already doing it to add the ">>" |
| 03:51.13 | Cralor` | i tried doing this: " " |
| 03:51.22 | Cralor` | oh wait maybe i know |
| 03:52.50 | Cralor` | got it :D |
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| 04:03.35 | kd3 | ah, I love watching apache's access logs for pings from specific netblocks |
| 04:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, have my IP memorized yet? ;) |
| 04:06.33 | kd3 | nah. just got some pings from hortus, most likely, earlier today |
| 04:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, nice |
| 04:06.51 | kd3 | however, you are 67.166.67.223 |
| 04:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have been for a year and a half or more, despite it being a comcast dynamic IP |
| 04:07.25 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 04:09.04 | Cralor` | night guys. thank you for your help Iriel and Scythe! |
| 04:09.21 | Cralor` | see you later |
| 04:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Something to do with (1) comcast giving out 24 hour leases bound to the MAC address and (2) having an epic awesome router |
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| 04:11.04 | Fisker- | More like (1) DHCP |
| 04:11.29 | Fisker- | A client will always request to renew the current IP rather than getting a new one |
| 04:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: that's... almost exactly what I just said |
| 04:11.55 | Fisker- | nah |
| 04:12.08 | Fisker- | has nothing to do with mac addresses, routers, or 24 hour leases |
| 04:12.09 | Fisker- | :o |
| 04:12.21 | bleeter | I'M A REAL WILD ONE |
| 04:12.32 | Fisker- | just like your mother |
| 04:12.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure it does, because the DHCP lease doesn't have to be tied to the device's MAC address |
| 04:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And if they were shorter leases, I wouldn't have been able to renew in some circumstances :P |
| 04:13.31 | Fisker- | because you suck? |
| 04:13.41 | bleeter | GONNA KEEP IT SWINGING BABY I'M A REAL WILD CHILD |
| 04:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but the power company does at times |
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| 04:31.59 | kd3 | yay. xmms2 and gkrellxmms2 installed |
| 04:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmm xmms2 |
| 04:34.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm likely going to slap xmms2 + pulseaudio on an embedded board, throw in a 96KHz sound card it in, and then connect it to a digital receiver |
| 04:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | The amount of flexablity I'd have with that would be awesome |
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| 04:46.11 | kd3 | huzzah for opendns |
| 04:46.43 | kd3 | their implementation wasn't susceptible to the security issue |
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| 04:59.26 | Charlemagne | Anybody know how to either send a soap message or a message via a socket using lua in a wow addon? is this even possible? |
| 04:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't |
| 04:59.59 | Charlemagne | why not? |
| 05:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW is sandboxed; all data access in and out of it except through saved variables is forbidden |
| 05:00.36 | Charlemagne | can you load modules like the soap modules? |
| 05:00.39 | Shirik | no |
| 05:00.40 | kd3 | no |
| 05:00.47 | Charlemagne | can't you load other modules? |
| 05:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | No loading modules of any sort |
| 05:00.52 | Shirik | no |
| 05:00.53 | Charlemagne | ah |
| 05:01.19 | Charlemagne | can you write to a file? |
| 05:01.20 | Kirov | The only module that wow's lua loads that I know of is bitlib |
| 05:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | All data access in to and out of WoW is entirely not just forbidden by the rules, but outright disabled |
| 05:01.23 | Kirov | No |
| 05:01.26 | Shirik | not directly |
| 05:01.27 | Corrodias | -i- can write to many files |
| 05:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, a saved variables file, every time you reload the UI or log out |
| 05:01.33 | Corrodias | files you would not understand |
| 05:01.37 | Kirov | All io / system access is disabled. |
| 05:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:01.58 | Kirov | I should rephrase. All direct io / system access |
| 05:02.14 | Charlemagne | so what files can you write? |
| 05:02.17 | Gnarfoz | none. |
| 05:02.25 | Charlemagne | he said no directly, so how do you indirectly do it? |
| 05:02.26 | Gnarfoz | wow writes for you, if at all |
| 05:02.29 | Charlemagne | not* |
| 05:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Saved Variables, by storing your data in a variable and the logging out or reloading the UI |
| 05:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | * the data is only written when you log out or reload the UI |
| 05:02.57 | Charlemagne | are saved variables stored to disk files that can be read like cookies? |
| 05:03.09 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 05:03.30 | Gnarfoz | kd3 wins >_> |
| 05:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | To put it simply, all real-time data access, in and out of WoW, is entirely disabled |
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| 05:08.50 | Kirov | and to curb any "but ____ does it". |
| 05:08.50 | Kirov | A) no they don't. |
| 05:08.50 | Kirov | B) the Logitech G15 keyboard is sent information by Blizzard's own code outside of the lua environment |
| 05:08.50 | Kirov | C) XFire is sent information by Blizzard's own code outside of the lua environment |
| 05:08.50 | Kirov | D) Magelo is currently against the ToU and Blizzard is currently trying to decide what to do with it (ie: Ban all users who use it) |
| 05:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 05:08.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ~win Kirov |
| 05:09.00 | purl | Congratulations, Kirov! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 05:12.17 | Kirov | And on that note, goodnight. |
| 05:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | haha yes |
| 05:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903830839&sid=1&pageNo=2#39 |
| 05:13.03 | Charlemagne | thanks for the help guys, looks like my idea isn't going to work after all ;) |
| 05:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "Oh no, I got it. I'll be over here finishing up my paint chips if you need me." |
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| 05:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Charlemagne: opening up real-time data access opens up a LOT of room for exploits. Sorry. |
| 05:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that. |
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| 05:14.17 | Shirik | for the record, XFire isn't actually sent any information |
| 05:15.05 | Shirik | instead XFire breaks the ToU by injecting hooks, but Blizzard has opted not to enforce it against them (for obvious reasons) |
| 05:22.17 | Thunder_Child | my brain hurts, i have a cpu/ram/mobo/psu/vidcard/case and other than HD/sound card, am i missing anything? |
| 05:22.44 | ScytheBlade1 | CPU has a heatsink/fan, yes? |
| 05:23.03 | Thunder_Child | good call, and yes |
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| 05:23.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Video card has VGA outputs if you're using a VGA monitor? |
| 05:23.28 | Thunder_Child | i have scattered converters |
| 05:23.29 | Shirik | you need a physics card |
| 05:23.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it has it software mode |
| 05:23.43 | Thunder_Child | nividia bought them |
| 05:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Same applies for possible keyboards/monitors needing PS/2 adapaters? |
| 05:23.57 | Shirik | ok, what about a noise reduction card |
| 05:24.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a stupid question now that I think about it (lol lortab) |
| 05:24.17 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you are not helping my brain |
| 05:24.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:24.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything sounds good to me |
| 05:24.25 | Shirik | <3 |
| 05:24.27 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 05:24.30 | Thunder_Child | no, not you Shirik |
| 05:24.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:25.06 | Thunder_Child | bah, teach a man to browse the web and we will do worse all day |
| 05:25.12 | Thunder_Child | s/we/he/ |
| 05:25.21 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 05:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: but you should probably press "buy" in the morning to be safe ;) |
| 05:25.54 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, heh, i have to wait for the purse strings to say ok first :) |
| 05:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: also 100% acceptable ;) |
| 05:26.31 | Thunder_Child | though i wish i was getting it for me...it's a better system than i have now |
| 05:26.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I know that feeling |
| 05:26.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But I have no need to upgrade, so I don't |
| 05:27.01 | Thunder_Child | i do, i cant play crysis maxed out |
| 05:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think running a 1 kilowatt PSU is working playing Crysis maxed :P |
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| 05:29.44 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, Distributed Gaming XD |
| 05:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:33.01 | bleeter | hmm, can someone answer me this? when I'm using the AH, specifically with Auctioneer, there's a tool that requires me to click a button a number of times per page (when I'm using a submodule). this is not the 'problem', just describing the situation |
| 05:33.50 | bleeter | when I click 'madly' on the button I'm prompted with, if I do it 'lots', the window behind WoW can occasionally pop to the front. Yes, I'm under Wine... but am kinda curious why this may happen. Does WoW 'steal' the cursor? |
| 05:34.08 | bleeter | if it does, this may have some bearing on my current multiboxing 'fun' |
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| 05:40.25 | Nechckn | Bleeter... if you look back up in the #Norganna backlog there was some talk about wine / cursors |
| 05:40.30 | Nechckn | maybe 2 days ago |
| 05:46.14 | bleeter | ugh |
| 05:46.24 | bleeter | lotta logs... hmm, actually, I'll go look online logs ;) |
| 05:46.59 | Nechckn | sorry, just a though |
| 05:48.23 | bleeter | no, is a good comment. it's not been annoying me at all, really, until i tried some multiboxing software yesterday and started to suspect I'm suffering some kinda cursor 'theft' |
| 05:49.49 | Nechckn | hmm... there could well be intermittent issues- you'd likely only really notice them in the situation you detailed. |
| 05:50.30 | Nechckn | or they would be more evident, rather |
| 05:51.27 | bleeter | Nechckn: can you recall any specific keywords? searching for 'cursor' in the past 4 days doesn't turn up anything :( |
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| 05:54.13 | bleeter | Nechckn: tbh, though, you can trigger it just by madly clicking anywhere in the world ;) |
| 05:55.33 | bleeter | Nechckn: just confirming, don't need Auct at all for the window jumping to happen |
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| 06:01.12 | kd3 | your wm acting up? don't think I've ever seen that in xfce |
| 06:01.41 | Diskmaster | version + distro? :O |
| 06:01.49 | bleeter | that's a good point, I've been using Gnome for some specific ... trickery ... elsewhere recently. and as we all know, metacity is crap. |
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| 06:09.31 | bleeter | yup, looking more and more like some metacity interaction junk |
| 06:12.25 | Thunder_Child | i mean really, how many people actually play "International Cricket Captain" |
| 06:17.30 | Nechckn | Does that involve scraping your back legs together to attract mates, Thunder_Child? |
| 06:18.46 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, yes, but i was actually talking about the insects |
| 06:19.33 | Nechckn | now I am confused! but that is usual... |
| 06:19.48 | Thunder_Child | i was just making fun of cricket players |
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| 06:20.02 | Nechckn | Ah... me too! |
| 06:21.29 | Thunder_Child | but then, the penut butter did try to kill the earth with a smile |
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| 06:23.55 | Nechckn | Picture yourself on a boat in a river with tangerine trees and marmalade skies... |
| 06:24.18 | Nechckn | or something like that- /woof! |
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| 06:50.51 | cnc|work | g'morning peeps |
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| 06:52.08 | Nechckn | I'd give another woof here, but you get the idea =) |
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| 06:58.45 | Thunder_Child | It was midnight on the ocean |
| 06:58.47 | Thunder_Child | Not a horse car was in sight |
| 06:58.49 | Thunder_Child | The sun was shining brightly |
| 06:58.51 | Thunder_Child | For it rained all day that night |
| 06:58.51 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 06:58.53 | Thunder_Child | Twas summer in the winter |
| 06:58.55 | Thunder_Child | And the rain was snowing fast |
| 06:58.57 | Thunder_Child | While a barefoot boy with shoes on |
| 06:58.59 | Thunder_Child | Stood sitting in the grass |
| 06:59.20 | Thunder_Child | it use to ask me how i wanted to paste it in |
| 06:59.28 | Ntruder | deep man |
| 06:59.30 | Thunder_Child | ~fail mirc |
| 06:59.31 | purl | mirc: FAIL! |
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| 07:20.26 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 07:20.27 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
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| 07:25.57 | bleeter | yay! moar coffee! |
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| 08:12.27 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fisker- |
| 08:12.27 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Fisker- |
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| 08:48.48 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child |
| 08:48.49 | Fisker- | you suck! |
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| 08:49.46 | bleeter | hmm, so the guys at VMWare are nervous, though seemingly hopeful |
| 08:50.03 | cnc|work | bleeter: whats happening there ? |
| 08:50.51 | Fisker- | having sex with goatmen |
| 08:50.52 | bleeter | cnc|work: Greene got the heave-ho by EMC's CEO, and EMC have put Maritz in charge |
| 08:50.53 | Fisker- | imo |
| 08:51.20 | bleeter | the VMWare staff are a little nervous that Rosenblum might leave (he's Greene's husband) |
| 08:52.09 | bleeter | with the MS virtual foo coming out pretty soon, gunna be interesting times for the Hypervisor market, indeed |
| 08:52.25 | Fisker- | virtual foo? .o |
| 08:52.56 | bleeter | er... Hyper-V, I think they call it |
| 08:54.09 | bleeter | I'll give Maritz this much. W95 was pretty advanced for MS to do, and Maritz drove that... so there's some hope for them. |
| 08:54.41 | bleeter | sure, steaming PoS... but a lot more advanced than 3.1 ever was so the steam was to be expected to some degree ;) :P |
| 08:54.44 | bleeter | </ramble> |
| 08:55.36 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, yes, yes i do, which is why the ladies like me so much |
| 08:58.48 | bleeter | anyways, my mate @ VMWare better not quit/get the sack, I won't be able to get inside Silicon Valley info then :( |
| 08:58.59 | Fisker- | AHA cog|away |
| 08:59.15 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child you mean shemales |
| 08:59.16 | bleeter | and that'd just be too uncool for school |
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| 09:02.15 | Thunder_Child | feman sounds too cool? |
| 09:04.03 | Fisker- | shemales sounds hotter |
| 09:06.07 | nevcairiel | Hm why is WoWI sending mails from No-reply-@web02.zam.com ? that kinds confused my spam filter now :P wtb @wowinterface.com mails! :) |
| 09:06.43 | cnc|work | sure it ain't a fake ? |
| 09:06.50 | cnc|work | I always got them from @wowinterface.com |
| 09:06.56 | nevcairiel | nah its legit |
| 09:07.19 | bleeter | big question for you Microsoft users... does http://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/ mean nothing's compatible? |
| 09:07.45 | nevcairiel | because its just not on yet? |
| 09:08.20 | cnc|work | lol |
| 09:09.19 | bleeter | on a different 'lol' factor... http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/great-white-shark-in-lake/2008/07/09/1215282909263.html |
| 09:09.41 | bleeter | some guy pulled a 7m great white shark in a net while lake fishing >< |
| 09:11.33 | cnc|work | were there also people swimming in said lake ? |
| 09:12.18 | nevcairiel | And i though sharks kinda needed salt water |
| 09:12.44 | nevcairiel | s/gh/ght/ |
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| 09:15.25 | bleeter | nevcairiel: who said it was a freshwater lake? |
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| 09:16.46 | bleeter | http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tuggerah+lake&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=72.22909,158.554688&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.300691,151.475372&spn=0.138023,0.309677&z=12&iwloc=addr |
| 09:17.25 | cnc|work | damn big lake |
| 09:17.43 | nevcairiel | ah its more like a lagoon then a real lake |
| 09:17.49 | nevcairiel | that explains how the shark got in there |
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| 10:15.50 | wereHamster | how can I remove a driver from windows? I uninstalled it, but everytime I start windows, it ties to install the old driver back. |
| 10:17.07 | Gnarfoz | remove the device? |
| 10:17.21 | Gnarfoz | or disable the device |
| 10:17.46 | wereHamster | it's a vga card, I can't remove or disable it |
| 10:17.57 | Gnarfoz | the install a working driver and be done with it? :D |
| 10:18.13 | Gnarfoz | or remove the one that's annoying you from the \windows\inf\ folder where windows likes to cache stuff |
| 10:18.25 | Gnarfoz | (and \system32\dllcache\ etc) |
| 10:18.43 | wereHamster | after I uninstall the driver, windows installs its own vesa driver, which works just fine |
| 10:18.46 | Gnarfoz | mind you in the \inf\ dir, it renames stuff to OEMnn.inf and so on |
| 10:19.04 | wereHamster | thanks, I'll try deleting stuff in there |
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| 10:25.11 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: no system32\dllcache nor windows\inf directories :( |
| 10:32.13 | nevcairiel | both are hidden |
| 10:32.15 | nevcairiel | turn on hidden files |
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| 10:36.40 | wereHamster | thanks, found the files. now let's see if that makes windows forget about the driver |
| 10:39.51 | wereHamster | nope, deleting oem* didn't work |
| 10:40.44 | nevcairiel | which windows is it? |
| 10:40.49 | wereHamster | winxpsp3 |
| 10:41.18 | wereHamster | freshly installed, the only non-ms component is the driver |
| 10:42.23 | nevcairiel | which card, or rather, which driver manufactor ? |
| 10:42.32 | nevcairiel | most have some kind of driver-cleaning trick |
| 10:42.41 | wereHamster | qemu -std-vga |
| 10:43.05 | wereHamster | I installed the driver from http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/vbemp.htm |
| 10:43.25 | wereHamster | they don't have a installer or uninstaller |
| 10:45.26 | nevcairiel | i guess you tried looking for the vbemp*.inf files in your inf folder too? |
| 10:46.14 | wereHamster | there are no such files |
| 10:46.42 | wereHamster | there was oem1.inf which was the vbemp driver inf file |
| 10:47.16 | nevcairiel | you did delete the .pnf too? |
| 10:47.40 | wereHamster | in the inf\ directory? |
| 10:47.51 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 10:48.02 | nevcairiel | it creates compiled versions of the .infs |
| 10:48.06 | nevcairiel | called pnf |
| 10:48.13 | cladhaire | your mom is a pnf |
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| 10:48.22 | cladhaire | god i hate me |
| 10:48.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:51.21 | wereHamster | oh, now windows can't find the driver anymore. That's good. And now I only have to convince windows that the current driver is working just fine. Everytime I start windows it opens the 'new hardware found' wizzard, even though the vga driver works just fine |
| 10:52.15 | nevcairiel | if you click abort or so, it shouldnt ask anymore |
| 10:52.26 | nevcairiel | or no |
| 10:52.30 | nevcairiel | if you let it search |
| 10:52.34 | nevcairiel | and it doesnt find anything |
| 10:52.37 | nevcairiel | then its quiet |
| 10:52.55 | wereHamster | it doesn't find anything, but pops up the wizzard everytime I start windows |
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| 11:37.55 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=220529437#Features xD btw |
| 11:38.41 | amro | yeah that was full of win |
| 11:39.36 | cnc|work | Fisker-: did you do that ? :p |
| 11:50.23 | Fisker- | could never dream of it cnc|work :o |
| 12:01.39 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:05.14 | cnc|work | anyone know why in the world the LFG API doesn't allow you to get info for instances you can't enter ? |
| 12:05.16 | cnc|work | its damn silly for alts |
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| 12:28.56 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.56 | cladhaire | win |
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| 12:30.18 | nevcairiel | those edits are so old by now |
| 12:30.25 | nevcairiel | wonder what crackpots keep adding them in |
| 12:30.31 | cnc|work | idiots :p |
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| 12:37.47 | amro | cnc|work: the whole LFG system is silly |
| 12:37.57 | cnc|work | it could have been done way better |
| 12:38.02 | cnc|work | http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot070908035100rn0.jpg |
| 12:38.08 | cnc|work | thats changes on it through dbc |
| 12:38.16 | cnc|work | blizz shld allow that to be done in lua so its legal :s |
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| 12:47.56 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: it is still going to die |
| 12:48.10 | cladhaire | "it"? |
| 12:48.19 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: the reiserfs |
| 12:48.24 | cladhaire | ok |
| 12:48.44 | cnc|work | Josh_Borke: most probably, sadly, it is a nice fs rly |
| 12:48.57 | Josh_Borke | cnc|work: agreed, i was really impressed with its features back in the day |
| 12:48.58 | Fisker- | but it murders your wife |
| 12:49.10 | Josh_Borke | no, crazy people murder your wife |
| 12:49.17 | cnc|work | like Fisker- ? Josh_Borke ? |
| 12:49.28 | Fisker- | i wouldn't murder your wife Josh_Borke |
| 12:49.44 | Josh_Borke | no, more like Kaelten |
| 12:49.52 | Drundia | but you work to make filesystem to do that! |
| 12:49.53 | Josh_Borke | he's got a few screws loose |
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| 12:50.56 | cnc|work | Kaelten makes bad licenses :p |
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| 12:52.33 | Fisker- | I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE |
| 12:52.41 | Fisker- | THERE WAS A MAN IN THE HOUSE |
| 12:52.44 | Fisker- | HE HAD A MECHANICAL ARM |
| 12:52.56 | hiflyer | Fisker-: that's what they all say |
| 12:53.01 | cnc|work | WAS IT A GNOME ? |
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| 12:53.34 | Fisker- | Reiser didn't say that :( |
| 12:54.02 | hiflyer | well, all the weird ones then? ;) |
| 12:58.51 | Josh_Borke | why am i only getting 12 MB/s over a cross-over gigabit link :-( |
| 13:01.17 | cnc|work | Josh_Borke: the host is slow ? :p |
| 13:01.28 | Josh_Borke | :( |
| 13:02.50 | wereHamster | the harddrive is slow |
| 13:04.00 | Josh_Borke | it's a SAS drive :-( |
| 13:04.02 | amro | 12 megs is pretty slow for a harddrive, unless it's really old |
| 13:04.21 | cnc|work | its funny our network connections are faster then our harddrives these days :p |
| 13:04.25 | wereHamster | even if it is sas, if it is operating in PIO mode it will be slow |
| 13:04.55 | Josh_Borke | pretty sure it's not in PIO mode |
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| 13:05.37 | wereHamster | are you using nfs? |
| 13:05.42 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 13:06.12 | wereHamster | bare tcp sockets? |
| 13:06.25 | Josh_Borke | rsync over ssh |
| 13:06.49 | cnc|work | PIO mode ? |
| 13:07.13 | wereHamster | way long before ATA existed, drives operated in PIO mode |
| 13:07.29 | cnc|work | what does that mean, technicaly ? |
| 13:07.37 | wereHamster | ~google 2 pio |
| 13:08.00 | wereHamster | no, it's even the first hit |
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| 13:13.29 | Josh_Borke | hm, now i'm transferring over netcat |
| 13:13.38 | Josh_Borke | but i have no way to check the speed =/ |
| 13:13.57 | amro | get a stopwatch :) |
| 13:14.29 | Josh_Borke | transferring too much shit to deal with that |
| 13:14.47 | Josh_Borke | but seeing as how the responsiveness of the system has dropped dramatically, i can only hope it is going super duper fast |
| 13:15.12 | Kaelten | ~lart Josh_Borke |
| 13:15.12 | purl | forces Josh_Borke to use Outlook Express |
| 13:15.30 | Josh_Borke | Kaelten: morning :-D |
| 13:16.01 | sacarasc | you don't have a system monitor which shows speed? |
| 13:18.19 | Josh_Borke | maybe? it's all being done remotely via ssh sessions |
| 13:18.51 | cnc|work | Y2K for linux is coming |
| 13:18.51 | cnc|work | lol |
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| 13:20.18 | nevcairiel | Y2k38 is still 30 years away |
| 13:21.52 | wereHamster | cnc|work: most systems use 64bit integers to store time |
| 13:22.00 | cnc|work | I know |
| 13:22.02 | cnc|work | I just find it funny |
| 13:22.16 | nevcairiel | most is overrated |
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| 13:23.19 | Josh_Borke | hopefully none of us will be using any OS we are currently using in 30 years |
| 13:23.32 | nevcairiel | alot of filesystems and network protocols use a 32-bit field to transfer timestamps |
| 13:23.36 | krka | really? |
| 13:23.40 | nevcairiel | and filesystem can be on permanent media |
| 13:23.46 | krka | software has a tendency to live long |
| 13:23.55 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: time to switch to zfs ;) |
| 13:24.00 | krka | i expect linux and bsd to be used in 30 years |
| 13:24.16 | Josh_Borke | krka: agreed, but not in any incarnation that would be subject to this bug, no? |
| 13:24.25 | nevcairiel | yeah sure i switch to solaris to get zfs :P |
| 13:24.33 | wereHamster | get apple |
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| 13:24.45 | krka | Josh_Borke: that's not what you said at all |
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| 13:24.51 | nevcairiel | apples should be eaten |
| 13:24.54 | nevcairiel | or made pie from |
| 13:25.05 | krka | linux is still linux, even after they fix any timestamp bugs |
| 13:25.22 | malreth | what are we complaining about now? |
| 13:25.59 | cnc|work | random stuff malreth |
| 13:26.07 | Josh_Borke | krka: well, i wouldn't say 'at all'. when I say OS i mean specific incarnations, specific versions |
| 13:26.27 | krka | oh i see |
| 13:26.28 | malreth | gold farmers piss me off |
| 13:26.29 | Josh_Borke | ie, i won't be using Fedora 9 in 30 years |
| 13:26.32 | malreth | so do carpenters |
| 13:26.40 | krka | yeah sure, linux 2.6 will probably be old in 30 years |
| 13:26.46 | Josh_Borke | let's hope so! |
| 13:27.10 | nevcairiel | i bet there are still 2.2 systems around, how old is that by now? :P |
| 13:27.23 | Josh_Borke | you're talking 5 years vs 30 years |
| 13:27.30 | nevcairiel | only 5? |
| 13:27.31 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 13:28.23 | krka | 2.2 was 1999 |
| 13:28.24 | Josh_Borke | hm, the latest version of 2.2 was released in 2004 |
| 13:28.32 | krka | (first version that is) |
| 13:28.34 | Josh_Borke | fyi, i pulled 5 years out of my ass |
| 13:28.41 | cnc|work | sigh, the gregorian calendar shld be thrown away and we shld start recounting from 1 jan 1970 |
| 13:28.58 | cnc|work | we wld be in the year 38 now then |
| 13:29.01 | krka | linux versions have slowed down in pace now though |
| 13:29.20 | krka | 2.2 was 99, 2.4 was 01, 2.6 was 03 |
| 13:29.26 | nevcairiel | is there even a 2.7-testing kernel? |
| 13:29.33 | krka | it's now been 5 years without 2.8 |
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| 13:34.31 | Josh_Borke | well, still, 9 years vs 30 years |
| 13:34.34 | Josh_Borke | 3 times as long |
| 13:35.50 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: no 2.7 in sight. The kernel development will stay with 2.6 for the forseeable future |
| 13:37.13 | cnc|work | haha |
| 13:37.27 | cnc|work | windows can NOT ever stay up longer then 49.7 days before it crashes |
| 13:37.28 | cnc|work | <3 |
| 13:37.51 | nevcairiel | it can |
| 13:38.12 | cnc|work | its 32 bit counter for uptime shld wrap around at that point |
| 13:38.17 | cnc|work | which could cause quite weird behaviour |
| 13:40.51 | Josh_Borke | no, it works just fine |
| 13:40.57 | cnc|work | :o |
| 13:41.07 | Josh_Borke | 11 GBs in 5 minutes is what? |
| 13:41.18 | Josh_Borke | 2 GB per minute? or 30 MB/s? |
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| 13:53.19 | amro | Josh_Borke: 37.5MB/s |
| 13:54.39 | Josh_Borke | nifty |
| 13:54.57 | Josh_Borke | switching from rsync over ssh to netcat tripled my throughput :D |
| 13:55.10 | Josh_Borke | now, can anyone recommend a bookbag? |
| 13:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | A sturdy plastic shopping bag! |
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| 13:56.44 | Josh_Borke | somehow i don't think that will work out so well |
| 13:58.11 | cnc|work | Josh_Borke: try Shirik |
| 13:58.19 | Shirik | what? no |
| 13:58.24 | Shirik | whatever it is I refuse |
| 13:58.32 | Lopeppeppy | If you want to be kind to your back, get one with two straps so you wear it on both shoulders, not rip your spine apart carrying it slung over one. |
| 13:59.25 | Josh_Borke | oh yes, definitely |
| 14:00.07 | Shirik | was there something you needed Josh_Borke? |
| 14:00.11 | Josh_Borke | (09:55:09 AM) Josh_Borke: now, can anyone recommend a bookbag? |
| 14:00.16 | Josh_Borke | class time, bye |
| 14:00.35 | Shirik | I don't like using them |
| 14:00.44 | Shirik | I just carry my stuff |
| 14:00.54 | cnc|work | same here heh |
| 14:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | I have a standard laptop bag for over the shoulder, I want one of the two-shoulder style. |
| 14:01.42 | Lopeppeppy | My overnight back is two-shoulder. |
| 14:03.17 | amro | I use a three-shoulder bag. Very useful. |
| 14:04.21 | Shirik | I don't want to know where the third strap goes |
| 14:04.39 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik! *poke* |
| 14:04.51 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy! *poke* |
| 14:04.57 | Matrix110| | Get a Backpack that can hold Laptops :P |
| 14:05.24 | Beladona | http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-62238-Contour-Backpack/dp/B0000AZK27/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1215612307&sr=8-1 |
| 14:05.30 | Beladona | best laptop bag I have ever owned |
| 14:05.38 | Beladona | holds my huge 17inch notebook too |
| 14:05.49 | cnc|work | expensive stuff |
| 14:06.00 | Beladona | its worth it |
| 14:06.11 | Beladona | have had it 2 or 3 years now |
| 14:06.12 | Shirik | This is the one I have, I like it but don't really use it http://salestores.com/swissa01.htm |
| 14:06.39 | amro | Shirik: redirects to main page |
| 14:06.43 | Shirik | boo |
| 14:07.13 | Shirik | http://www.overstock.com/Luggage-Bags/Swiss-Gear-Rugged-Laptop-Computer-Backpack/3150015/product.html?cid=123620&fp=F&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11273978 |
| 14:07.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 14:08.07 | amro | nice but it looks a bit small |
| 14:08.20 | Hexarobi | my buddy has one of those swiss bags, theyre nice |
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| 14:08.22 | Shirik | it only would fit a 15.2" |
| 14:08.26 | Beladona | the rigid contour thing in the back of mine is a nice touch. I didn't think it was a big deal when I bought it, but it definitely feels better with it, as opposed to other backpacks I own |
| 14:08.41 | Shirik | but it's not really small |
| 14:08.45 | Shirik | I can put all my books in it |
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| 14:08.53 | Shirik | with my laptop |
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| 14:45.00 | foxlit | Any easy way to determine if an item is consumable - ie will vanish if used? |
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| 14:46.03 | foxlit | IsConsumableItem(item) is clearly too easy to be plausible :) |
| 14:46.13 | cnc|work | its that rly |
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| 14:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sooooo going to spike one of these contractors in the temple if they don't get out from under my desk. |
| 14:48.44 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 14:49.09 | Kalroth | So they're under your desk while you're sitting at it? |
| 14:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | all around me, all the time. Wiring, plastering, painting, testing... for over a month now. *sigh* |
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| 15:30.09 | ckknight | does anyone know a way to get the x, y coordinates of instances? It doesn't necessarily have to be in-game |
| 15:30.49 | malreth | trying to piece together the minimap textures? |
| 15:32.01 | ckknight | malreth: no, already done that, I'm trying to get get the location of portal entrances |
| 15:33.19 | ckknight | malreth: http://mundy.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/19/portal.jpg |
| 15:33.50 | AckisWork | wicked ckknight |
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| 15:36.39 | malreth | ~seen Iriel |
| 15:36.43 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 12h 26m 59s ago, saying: 'Cralor`: You'd need to call it from one of the XML script handlers that WILL be called, or directly from your .lua'. |
| 15:39.02 | malreth | WTB new version of AfterCast |
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| 15:54.49 | Atriace | Anyone care to take a gander as to why my mod is cycling through 400K of memory every 10 seconds or so? |
| 15:55.11 | Seerah | if you post the pastey someone might look at it |
| 15:56.24 | Atriace | I was hoping it might be more typical issue (i.e., you have a looped table or something) |
| 15:56.43 | Atriace | The mod is fairly large. |
| 15:57.18 | malreth | likely you are creating a table in an inner loop somewhere |
| 15:57.52 | malreth | that would be where i'd first look |
| 15:58.08 | Atriace | hehe, you're not saying that just because I mentioned it, did you malreth? |
| 15:58.10 | malreth | second, i'd look at any event handlers |
| 15:58.22 | Atriace | alright, I'll do that. |
| 15:58.29 | malreth | just stating the obvious |
| 15:58.33 | malreth | it's what i do |
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| 16:01.14 | wereHamster | not only event handlers, but also any OnUpdate handlers |
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| 16:03.42 | Atriace | What would you pin as being too much memory usage for a mod? |
| 16:04.02 | Atriace | 15MB? 500K? |
| 16:04.11 | nevcairiel | depends on the mod |
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| 16:04.31 | nevcairiel | Also if its static memory, its generally fine |
| 16:04.37 | nevcairiel | if its increasing you should worry :) |
| 16:04.42 | Atriace | Indeed. |
| 16:05.00 | Atriace | Bartender3 takes an average of 1.5 MB, correct? |
| 16:05.12 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:05.31 | nevcairiel | well maybe if you run it as your first (or only) Ace2 addon |
| 16:05.43 | Atriace | That would be correct, in my case. |
| 16:07.31 | Atriace | brb |
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| 16:08.47 | ckknight | where is Naxxramas located? |
| 16:09.15 | malreth | eastern plaguelands |
| 16:09.21 | malreth | up in the sky |
| 16:09.36 | sacarasc | it floats, like a cloud |
| 16:09.46 | ckknight | okay |
| 16:09.48 | nevcairiel | it'll float back to northrend for wotlk though |
| 16:09.57 | ckknight | does it have a static entrance portal location? |
| 16:10.00 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 16:10.03 | nevcairiel | just below it |
| 16:10.08 | ckknight | would you mind telling me where? |
| 16:10.08 | wereHamster | and naxxramas entrance will move as well? |
| 16:10.15 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: i suppose :P |
| 16:10.30 | Drundia | they like just put a different necropolis there..... |
| 16:10.35 | nevcairiel | ckknight: around 40,26 |
| 16:10.37 | Drundia | (in epl) |
| 16:10.41 | ckknight | thanks, nevcairiel |
| 16:10.50 | ckknight | nevcairiel: documenting all the entrance portal locations |
| 16:11.13 | nevcairiel | not like people that are serious about going to naxxramas will not know o.O |
| 16:11.31 | ckknight | yea, but still |
| 16:11.37 | nevcairiel | considering you still need attunment :P |
| 16:12.07 | Drundia | why did they make non-russian realms instantly disconnect russian client? :\ |
| 16:12.25 | nevcairiel | hah |
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| 16:12.40 | nevcairiel | maybe because of the different charsets |
| 16:12.53 | malreth | In Soviet Russia... WoW plays *you*! |
| 16:13.09 | foxlit | Shouldn't really play that much of a difference |
| 16:13.31 | amro | support for playing on different locales has actually improved reecently |
| 16:13.35 | foxlit | Chances are, they're simply restricting clients per region |
| 16:13.42 | Drundia | if i see something in german i think it's about as weird-looking as russian... it's not like chinese... |
| 16:14.05 | amro | it wouldn't make sense for them to restrict to regions based on client |
| 16:14.08 | Drundia | i mean as russian for someone who doesn't speak it |
| 16:14.16 | foxlit | You fail if you can't distinguish between cyrillic and latin :) |
| 16:14.28 | Drundia | they are pretty similar |
| 16:14.43 | foxlit | Except for, you know, a fair amount of letters :) |
| 16:14.46 | Drundia | more similar than chinese |
| 16:15.04 | Drundia | they have similar feel about them |
| 16:15.10 | MentalPower | wait what now? |
| 16:15.13 | foxlit | "feel" :) |
| 16:15.31 | foxlit | amro: why not? |
| 16:15.44 | foxlit | Is the chinese client able to log into non-chinese realms? |
| 16:15.51 | Drundia | it's not like we aren't allowed to speak russian there already. and then default chat fonts include needed glyphs. |
| 16:16.10 | amro | foxlit: because you could easily work around such a restriction |
| 16:16.11 | Drundia | well, i think eu client can't log into us... |
| 16:16.16 | amro | yes it can |
| 16:16.22 | Drundia | it says something like "unable to verify version" |
| 16:16.23 | amro | just change realmlist.wtf |
| 16:16.34 | foxlit | amro: I find that reasoning flawed |
| 16:16.35 | Drundia | well, it threw me some evil error |
| 16:16.37 | MentalPower | Drundia: yes it can |
| 16:16.37 | amro | you need to patch to latest version first |
| 16:16.49 | MentalPower | Drundia: I used to do it all the time |
| 16:16.55 | foxlit | They shouldn't try to make it hard because it's currently easy. |
| 16:16.58 | Drundia | then it was just like that back in the days |
| 16:17.04 | foxlit | Very odd argument, that :) |
| 16:17.09 | MentalPower | I ran the esES client on US servers before, esMX came out |
| 16:17.30 | amro | foxlit: I meant that if they wanted to restrict they can use IPs |
| 16:17.34 | Drundia | amro, oh yes, i think i tried it exactly on "patch day", us already had it, and eu still didn't |
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| 16:17.44 | foxlit | amro: that fails with people flying around with their laptops |
| 16:17.44 | Drundia | russian is restricted both ways right now |
| 16:18.12 | amro | foxlit: and client-based fails with people who want to use a different locale |
| 16:18.27 | Drundia | only russian client can connect to russian realms and it can't connect to any other realms. |
| 16:18.28 | foxlit | Which hopefully shouldn't happen. |
| 16:18.35 | amro | I don't know why they're restricting in the first place |
| 16:18.40 | foxlit | I mean, why would you want to play in english on russian realms? |
| 16:18.50 | foxlit | (or vise-versa) |
| 16:18.51 | Drundia | it's like cheaper subscription for pure russian accounts |
| 16:19.01 | amro | don't assume what users want to do |
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| 16:19.24 | Drundia | no one prevents german/french/spanish client from entering english realms |
| 16:19.32 | amro | precisely |
| 16:19.33 | Drundia | again, what did someone say about chinese? |
| 16:19.41 | Codex|school | what do you guys think would win: +20 spellhaste or 3% increased critical strike damage |
| 16:20.09 | nevcairiel | I still think the ruRU limitation is due to different character sets |
| 16:20.13 | foxlit | ~1.2% dps or 3%*crit% dps? |
| 16:20.35 | |Jelly| | Dr. BOOM! |
| 16:20.40 | Codex|school | crit% damage |
| 16:20.52 | foxlit | Dr. BOOM isn't level 73, though |
| 16:20.53 | foxlit | qq! |
| 16:21.04 | |Jelly| | inorite |
| 16:21.32 | malreth | it's hard to make a comparison unless we knew your spell crit % chance |
| 16:21.33 | amro | nevcairiel: can still type cyrillic in other realms |
| 16:21.33 | Codex|school | foxlit you think the crit damage? |
| 16:21.46 | Codex|school | 27.50% w |
| 16:22.06 | Codex|school | 27.50% chance to crit |
| 16:22.52 | Codex|school | and its %crit damage, not crit chance (just to clarify) |
| 16:22.53 | nevcairiel | 3*27.50 == 0.825 % |
| 16:22.54 | Drundia | there is simple reason for people to play using spanish or russian client on english speaking realms: to keep old guilds and friends, but have better understanding of storyline written in quest texts. |
| 16:23.34 | malreth | Codex|school: i know... but to determine the increase in dps, you have to know the crit chance |
| 16:23.43 | Codex|school | 27.50% |
| 16:23.50 | malreth | i got that, thanks |
| 16:23.55 | Drundia | nevcairiel, it's wrong formula, it is for situation when crits deal the same damage as hits, which they don't. |
| 16:23.56 | Codex|school | haste is currently ~350 |
| 16:24.04 | Codex|school | with the current gems |
| 16:24.43 | malreth | are you comparing meta gems? |
| 16:24.54 | foxlit | that's the only +3% crit damage I'm aware of |
| 16:25.03 | foxlit | though I can't find a 20 haste one |
| 16:25.34 | Codex|school | no, im debating if i should replace 2 yellow +10haste gems with 2 blue ge,s in order to get the requirements for my +3% crit dmg +12crit meta to work |
| 16:25.40 | Codex|school | which it probably would be wise to switch |
| 16:25.47 | foxlit | replace them with green gems? |
| 16:25.52 | Codex|school | im just kind of a haste junkie |
| 16:26.42 | Drundia | green haste+stamina then |
| 16:26.57 | Codex|school | nah, dont want to waste it on stam |
| 16:27.48 | Drundia | what do you want to put in blue then? |
| 16:27.52 | Drundia | spirit? mp5? |
| 16:28.13 | Codex|school | hmm |
| 16:28.23 | Codex|school | i guess ifi want haste, and i want the 3% increased crit dmg |
| 16:28.24 | Codex|school | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.24 | inviso | It would have to be spi |
| 16:28.32 | Codex|school | youre right |
| 16:29.11 | Codex|school | and that fits the green |
| 16:29.11 | ckknight | two more questions |
| 16:29.17 | Drundia | haste+stamina then, unless you have some good reason to get spirit or mp5, but since you go for haste you probably don't have mana issues |
| 16:29.19 | ckknight | how do you enter Magisters' Terrace? |
| 16:29.20 | inviso | sp dmg/spi (blue) or sp crit/mp5 (green) |
| 16:29.40 | ckknight | and also Sunwell Plateau |
| 16:30.11 | Codex|school | nah itsb etween now 6spell dmg/7 stam or 5haste/7 stam |
| 16:30.28 | Drundia | match socket color imo |
| 16:30.56 | Codex|school | i can use purple or green |
| 16:31.00 | inviso | These should be going in a blue socket anyway so it's a wash either way |
| 16:31.07 | Codex|school | 6spelldamage/7stam or 5haste/7stam? |
| 16:31.15 | Codex|school | fire mage |
| 16:32.06 | Drundia | have some smart addon think it for you |
| 16:32.21 | Drundia | or do mathcraft |
| 16:32.26 | Codex|school | lol |
| 16:32.27 | Drundia | and see what gives you more dps |
| 16:34.46 | Codex|school | 1.2spellhaste = 1 spelldmg. 5 spellhaste = 6 spelldmg |
| 16:34.49 | Codex|school | they are the same, lolz |
| 16:36.11 | Codex|school | guess ill get the haste one |
| 16:36.13 | Codex|school | thanks guys |
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| 16:43.03 | Drundia | if 1.2 haste = 1 damage it should be 7.2 haste = 6 damage.... hmmm... |
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| 16:48.59 | Josh_Borke | Beladona, Shirik: thanks for the recommendations on bags |
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| 17:02.36 | |Jelly| | targeting is protected, right? |
| 17:02.46 | malreth | yes |
| 17:03.56 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.59 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yup! |
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| 17:25.39 | Atriace | So... *sigh*... I got rid of my XML file from my TOC... and I commented out pretty much everything from my Lua file, and mysteriously, my addon boots up to using 376K. |
| 17:25.58 | Atriace | It then drops to 176 after the first 5-10 seconds. |
| 17:26.34 | Atriace | Is this inevitable baggage from my saved variables perhaps? |
| 17:27.14 | Shirik | it can't be from SV |
| 17:27.20 | Shirik | unless you're trashing them |
| 17:27.43 | Atriace | Let's test this theory... |
| 17:27.46 | Shirik | it sounds like garbage that you're creating |
| 17:28.00 | Shirik | s/sounds like/is/ |
| 17:28.28 | Atriace | The mod basically doesn't exist. There's no code to be run and yet it eats up 350K |
| 17:28.46 | Atriace | Alright, trashing the vars doesn't change it. |
| 17:29.15 | Atriace | Could it be just the simple memory usage in running through my Lua document? |
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| 17:32.05 | Shirik | Esamynn: ping |
| 17:32.07 | Atriace | oh my word... that's evil. |
| 17:32.42 | Wikwocket | Do share |
| 17:34.15 | Atriace | Testing suspicion before I make a fool of myself... |
| 17:34.25 | Shirik | Anyone got an idea why my SVN repo won't replace the $Id$ keyword? |
| 17:34.52 | Dashkal | Shirik: did you set svn:keywords correctly for that file? |
| 17:35.19 | Shirik | probably not |
| 17:35.28 | Shirik | how do I do that? |
| 17:36.06 | Shirik | preferably it would be defaulted for file types if that's possible |
| 17:36.17 | Dashkal | Discussed herehttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch07s02.html |
| 17:36.36 | Dashkal | short form: set svn:keywords to a space separated list of the keywords you want to work. |
| 17:36.40 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 17:39.17 | laeg | gief decent wotlk graphics update |
| 17:39.50 | kd3 | there's been some downright pretty graphics out of wwi |
| 17:40.07 | kd3 | s/graphics/screen shots/ |
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| 17:41.07 | foxlit | Hm |
| 17:41.21 | foxlit | The default action bars show the number of _charges_ of items in your inventory |
| 17:41.34 | foxlit | Can one get to that without using Action functions? |
| 17:41.34 | kd3 | yah |
| 17:41.40 | kd3 | er, dunno |
| 17:41.46 | laeg | kd3: i'll check it out |
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| 17:45.45 | Atriace | ow... my head |
| 17:46.01 | malreth | mystery solved, Atriace? |
| 17:46.17 | Atriace | Unfortunately no. My suspicion was incorrect. |
| 17:46.37 | Atriace | Alright, so I'm confused. When a file is linked from the TOC, that file is run through at load time, correct? |
| 17:47.18 | Atriace | However, none of the functions will be executed within that file unless they are called from an event, correct? |
| 17:48.08 | MentalPower | files in Lua are executed when they are loaded |
| 17:48.49 | MentalPower | so if you have a function main() --[[do stuff]] end statement and have at the end of the file something like main() that function will be run when the file is loaded |
| 17:49.24 | Atriace | Right, but unless you have main() somewhere, the function won't execute, right? |
| 17:49.38 | malreth | it doesn't matter what it's called |
| 17:50.00 | Atriace | Yeah, I know, I'm just saying, a function created isn't run unless called. |
| 17:50.04 | MentalPower | malreth: I know, tis was just an example |
| 17:50.05 | malreth | correct |
| 17:50.06 | MentalPower | Atriace: correct |
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| 17:50.55 | Atriace | Then I'm at a loss for words. All I have in my document are functions. Nothing is called, and yet the mod consumes an outright 350K once this Lua file is loaded. |
| 17:51.24 | malreth | those functions take up memory even if they're not called |
| 17:51.36 | Atriace | ... |
| 17:51.48 | malreth | the functions are objects in and of themselves |
| 17:52.09 | MentalPower | Atriace: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 17:52.12 | Atriace | the mod is loaded into memory. |
| 17:52.30 | Atriace | Which... is why.... you need to reload to see changes. |
| 17:52.42 | Atriace | >_< |
| 17:52.48 | malreth | Atriace: WoW looks at your TOC, and then executes the files in order |
| 17:53.38 | Atriace | I know that... it's just I think I was hoping WoW simply read your code from the hard disk as opposed to loading it into RAM and then executing it. |
| 17:53.39 | malreth | so those functions that you defined are created and assigned to the variables... taking up memory |
| 17:54.00 | cogwheel | Atriace: "loading" a Lua file consists of running it as a chunk |
| 17:54.04 | cogwheel | it's not interpreted as is |
| 17:54.08 | malreth | when you say "read yoru code from the hard disk" where do you think it reads it to? |
| 17:54.17 | malreth | s/yoru/your/ |
| 17:54.31 | Atriace | CPU instructions |
| 17:54.35 | foxlit | the harder disk! |
| 17:54.38 | Atriace | lol |
| 17:54.42 | malreth | those instructions sit somewhere |
| 17:54.53 | malreth | and that somewhere is RAM |
| 17:54.55 | Fisker- | good job amro |
| 17:55.00 | Fisker- | btw cogwheel |
| 17:55.02 | cogwheel | all of the function definitions are analogous to table definitions |
| 17:55.04 | Fisker- | according to people on the internets |
| 17:55.16 | Fisker- | they've actually restocked the authenticator several times :o |
| 17:55.59 | Atriace | I knew I should've taken a CS class before leaving college. |
| 17:56.13 | Shirik | thanks Dashkal |
| 17:56.20 | Shirik | unfortunately, I wish I had seen this earlier |
| 17:56.23 | Dashkal | :p |
| 17:56.31 | Shirik | it appears it will be a pain to correctly set svn:eol-style |
| 17:56.52 | Dashkal | I have that done via autoprops |
| 17:56.57 | Shirik | well yeah, I do too now :) |
| 17:57.02 | malreth | so, let's take a simple example of a TOC referencing a single .lua file that has a single function defined in it "function foo() lamp={ "Clinton" } end" |
| 17:57.07 | kd3 | lua>1.82*10000/6 |
| 17:57.07 | lua_bot | kd3: 3033.3333333333 |
| 17:57.09 | TecnoBrat | foxlit, what is the hardest disk used for then? |
| 17:57.10 | Shirik | but the files that already exist refuse to let me set it due to inconsistent newlines |
| 17:57.30 | malreth | WoW loads the addon, reads the TOC, and immediately executes the lua file |
| 17:57.33 | foxlit | TecnoBrat: ooh, clever. But you're wrong: there are harder disks all the way down! :) |
| 17:57.39 | Dashkal | I _think_ (don't quote me on this) that notepad++ can fix that for you |
| 17:57.55 | Dashkal | convert to unix, then back to windows |
| 17:58.05 | Shirik | actually I just realized Visual Studio warns about that and offers to fix it when you open the file :) |
| 17:58.09 | TecnoBrat | so harder than a harder disk is a harder harder disk!? :P |
| 17:58.10 | malreth | the lua interpreter creates a closure (which takes up some UI memory) and assigns it to the global variable named 'foo' |
| 17:58.16 | Dashkal | perfect |
| 17:58.49 | malreth | sometime later, you type /run foo() on the chat line |
| 17:59.04 | Atriace | So if you had 10 closures for 10 lines of code, the document would take up more memory than 1 closure for 10 lines of code |
| 17:59.20 | malreth | foo is then run, allocating an empty table and assigns it to the global variable 'lamp' |
| 17:59.56 | malreth | Atriace: lines of code are mostly irrelevant... but for the most part, yes |
| 18:00.01 | Fisker- | you heard me cogwheel |
| 18:00.43 | malreth | since a single line of code can be interpreted as several opcodes |
| 18:01.09 | malreth | but i don't know enough about how the lua interpreter works internally to say wether or not the number of opcodes in a function has an effect on the closure size in memory |
| 18:02.05 | malreth | as mentioned in the wowwiki article, each closure is 20 bytes of memory |
| 18:02.23 | cogwheel | Fisker-: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903740508&pageNo=1&sid=1#14 |
| 18:02.34 | malreth | and each upvalue may use an additional 4 or 32 bytes |
| 18:03.09 | cogwheel | and my post on that thread hints at why it's not changing from "processed" |
| 18:04.38 | kd3 | 7-10 business days? that's nuts |
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| 18:06.59 | Fisker- | i disagree cogwheel |
| 18:07.00 | Fisker- | irl |
| 18:07.38 | Atriace | what's the definition of an upvalue? |
| 18:08.23 | cogwheel | local x = 4 function foo() x = 5 end |
| 18:08.28 | cogwheel | x is an upvalue of foo |
| 18:08.34 | kd3 | lua>18.5*10000/6 |
| 18:08.35 | lua_bot | kd3: 30833.333333333 |
| 18:09.37 | cogwheel | Atriace: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.6 |
| 18:10.46 | Atriace | Thank you, cogwheel. |
| 18:11.39 | malreth | upvalues will twist your noodle... but they're really cool and very powerful |
| 18:11.53 | batrick | ~malreth |
| 18:11.53 | purl | never take malreth seriously |
| 18:12.49 | malreth | never take me seriously... unless i'm being teh serious |
| 18:14.12 | Thunder_Child | ~hurt malreth |
| 18:14.12 | purl | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on malreth's hands, laughing all the while |
| 18:14.25 | malreth | that's... that's just MEAN! |
| 18:14.32 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was whack-a-mole |
| 18:16.28 | Thunder_Child | ~gag Josh_Borke |
| 18:16.28 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Josh_Borke and, as an additional precaution, sews Josh_Borke's mouth shut permanently... |
| 18:16.38 | Thunder_Child | no sympathy there.... |
| 18:16.46 | Wikwocket | purl is so violent! |
| 18:17.22 | Esamynn | ~comfort malreth |
| 18:17.23 | purl | There, there, malreth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:17.23 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 18:17.32 | Thunder_Child | ty Esamynn... |
| 18:17.53 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap Thunder_Child |
| 18:17.53 | purl | ACTION slaps Thunder_Child around with a slice of cheddar |
| 18:18.01 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleparry Esamynn |
| 18:18.01 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Esamynn's attacks. |
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| 18:18.28 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Thunder_Child |
| 18:18.29 | purl | ACTION beats Thunder_Child upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:18.40 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleshield |
| 18:18.40 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield thunder_child from the blast. |
| 18:18.53 | Esamynn | blast? |
| 18:18.55 | Esamynn | what blast? |
| 18:19.01 | Thunder_Child | it's supposed to go after whalenuke |
| 18:19.08 | Thunder_Child | ~whalenuke Esamynn |
| 18:19.08 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Esamynn with his mind powers. |
| 18:19.11 | Esamynn | yes, I know :P |
| 18:19.16 | Esamynn | ~whaleshield |
| 18:19.17 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield esamynn from the blast. |
| 18:19.20 | Thunder_Child | well i forgot it was specific |
| 18:19.28 | Esamynn | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 18:19.29 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 18:19.48 | Thunder_Child | ~run Thunder_Child |
| 18:19.53 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 18:19.53 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 18:19.54 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 18:20.05 | Thunder_Child | ~~ |
| 18:20.06 | purl | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 18:20.23 | Esamynn | ~~~ |
| 18:20.28 | Dashkal | purl, have a cookie |
| 18:20.29 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 18:20.41 | Thunder_Child | i thought ~~~ worked |
| 18:20.44 | Thunder_Child | ~~~~ |
| 18:20.45 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT thunder_child!!! |
| 18:20.45 | Esamynn | it should |
| 18:20.49 | Thunder_Child | 4 does |
| 18:20.51 | Thunder_Child | odd |
| 18:21.00 | Esamynn | ~~~ |
| 18:21.07 | Esamynn | ~literal ~~ |
| 18:21.10 | Thunder_Child | ~literal ~~~ |
| 18:21.11 | purl | "~~~" is "<reply> ARGH!!! STOP IT $who!!!" |
| 18:21.16 | Esamynn | ~factinfo ~~ |
| 18:21.16 | purl | there's no such factoid as ~~, Esamynn |
| 18:21.22 | Esamynn | well phooey |
| 18:21.26 | Thunder_Child | now i is confused |
| 18:21.30 | malreth | ~factinfo ~ |
| 18:21.30 | purl | ~ -- last modified at Tue Feb 6 23:20:11 2007 by Soraya_!n=Soraya@about/essy/Saphira/Soraya; it has been requested 140 times, last by Thunder_Child, 1m 24s ago. |
| 18:22.12 | Esamynn | ~~~~~ |
| 18:22.12 | purl | grrrr |
| 18:26.05 | Atriace | Local data is lost when exiting the code block, right? |
| 18:26.47 | Esamynn | correct |
| 18:27.08 | Atriace | By means of the GC? |
| 18:27.12 | malreth | the reference is lost. any memory allocated (say to a table) that has zero references to it will eventually be GCed |
| 18:27.34 | Esamynn | the scope of a local variable starts after the line it was declared, and ends at the end of the block it was declared in |
| 18:27.51 | Esamynn | Atriace: depends on what is being stored |
| 18:29.21 | Atriace | So, if I made a rather large local table with string based keys, that table could consume memory in WoW even though it has no reference until it's collected for garbage, correct? |
| 18:29.56 | malreth | that seems correct |
| 18:29.58 | Atriace | How often does the GC run? |
| 18:30.05 | malreth | whenever it feels like |
| 18:30.16 | Atriace | lol, seriously? |
| 18:30.17 | Esamynn | in wow, it's running almost continuously |
| 18:30.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It is called "incremental garbage collection" for a reason :) |
| 18:30.25 | Esamynn | Lua 5.1 has incremental GC |
| 18:30.44 | Esamynn | Atriace: basically, don't worry about it |
| 18:30.46 | laeg | how is a deathknight the first hero class |
| 18:30.48 | Atriace | If it was running at a specific interval... like very 5-10 seconds, that would greatly explain my memory issue. |
| 18:30.57 | Esamynn | but don't create garbage tables just for the hell of it |
| 18:31.00 | laeg | how is his class not deathknight? |
| 18:31.22 | Esamynn | laeg: say what? |
| 18:31.25 | Atriace | Esamynn: I wouldn't dream of it. |
| 18:31.29 | cogwheel | Atriace: if your ram is increasing by 10% every 5-10 seconds then it would |
| 18:31.35 | Dashkal | mmm, I remember 5.0 and I had some mod or another with wicked increasing memory.... my system would lock up for seconds every few monites |
| 18:31.40 | Dashkal | incremental is so wonderful |
| 18:32.23 | cogwheel | Atriace: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=75469222 and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1371465210&sid=1 explain it all in great detail :) |
| 18:32.32 | cogwheel | great wow-specific detail no less |
| 18:32.38 | Atriace | So if I wanted to dump the memory in the table (or GC it manually), I'd have to do something like: for i, v in pairs(t) do t[i] = nil end |
| 18:33.10 | cogwheel | you usually use k for pairs, and you don't need the v if you're not using it, but yeah |
| 18:33.52 | Atriace | That won't traverse subtables of a table, would it? (or would it be necessary?) |
| 18:33.56 | Esamynn | Atriace: actually, doing that won't necessarily free the table's memory usage |
| 18:33.58 | malreth | you shouldn't have to manually scrub a table like that |
| 18:34.11 | Esamynn | I think you are worrying too much |
| 18:34.14 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 18:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: t = nil -- problem solved |
| 18:34.28 | laeg | Esamynn: my main's character's race is gnome and his class is rogue so how is it blizzard describe deathknight as the first 'hero class'. how is 'deathknight' not the class? |
| 18:34.41 | cogwheel | unless you know you're going to be creating a lot of garbage "on purpose" (like combat log events, and such) |
| 18:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: you have to create another character for your death knight. |
| 18:35.36 | cogwheel | but in all honesty, letting the GC do it is probably faster since it all runs in C |
| 18:35.51 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: that doesn't answer my question... |
| 18:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: your question makes exactly zero sense. |
| 18:36.02 | laeg | how is deathknight a hero class |
| 18:36.08 | laeg | it makes perfect sense |
| 18:36.15 | Esamynn | because they say it's a hero class |
| 18:36.19 | amro | ^ |
| 18:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it's the first one they implimented ever since release. |
| 18:36.19 | Esamynn | it's just a label |
| 18:36.22 | Fisker- | i hate you cogwheel :) |
| 18:36.25 | laeg | right but what is deathkngiht then? |
| 18:36.29 | cogwheel | ... |
| 18:36.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Another class. |
| 18:36.31 | laeg | is deathknight not a class? |
| 18:36.34 | malreth | Atriace: like ScytheBlade1 said, you just nil the table reference itself. eventually, if the table has no other references to it, it gets GCed. the contents of the table, if they themselves are references to other objects will eventually be GCed if they have no other references |
| 18:36.36 | Dashkal | laeg: "hero class" -> "normal class that starts at 55" nothing more |
| 18:36.36 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Death_knight |
| 18:36.38 | Atriace | cogwheel: I'm collecting buff info and storing it to a local table per buff and then storing that single buff table entry inside a master buffs table. The local table then needs to dissapear, but I fear it's just floating in unreferenced memory-space and the function is merely spawning more unreferenced tables upon every iteration (i.e., buff scan) |
| 18:36.41 | laeg | #so the new character will be a deathkngiht class and hero class? |
| 18:36.52 | cogwheel | no, deathknight IS a hero class |
| 18:36.56 | Dashkal | wait... "hero" is not a class name |
| 18:36.57 | laeg | Dashkal: ty that answer makes sense :) |
| 18:36.58 | Dashkal | just a description |
| 18:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: hero class is simply a label to designate that it starts at a higher level than 1 |
| 18:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: NOTHING more. |
| 18:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: kd3's wowwiki link should go into more detail. |
| 18:37.29 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: that's all i was asking |
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| 18:37.45 | cogwheel | Atriace: that's exactly what is going on, and that's exactly what the garbage collector cleans up |
| 18:37.59 | cogwheel | how often is each iteration running? |
| 18:38.13 | Atriace | It loops through the buff till it finds no more. |
| 18:38.20 | Atriace | Only happens when buff changes occur |
| 18:38.26 | cogwheel | then don't worry about it |
| 18:38.37 | Esamynn | that can be pretty frequent in combat |
| 18:38.48 | malreth | yeah... i agree with Esamynn |
| 18:38.51 | cogwheel | yeah, but not on the order of many times per second |
| 18:39.02 | cogwheel | unless you're doing it for every unit ... |
| 18:39.04 | alestane | You generally don't have to worry about memory leaks in Lua, only processor time being used to clean up garbage. |
| 18:39.08 | Fisker- | you are brave to have come here cogwheel |
| 18:39.23 | alestane | Also, the client only performs incremental collection outside of combat. |
| 18:39.37 | Esamynn | in combat too |
| 18:39.44 | Atriace | You're saying my method wouldn't create a "leaking" memory usage of my mod that escalates from 400K to 1500K every 5-10 seconds? |
| 18:39.51 | Esamynn | the rate of GC depends on the rate at which garbage is being created |
| 18:40.18 | Esamynn | Atriace: it's not leaking in the sense that it is unrecoverable |
| 18:40.36 | malreth | Atriace: we'd have a better idea if we saw the code |
| 18:40.38 | alestane | Atriace: are you copying the table with the information into the master buff table, or are you using some phrase like "BuffMasterRecord[nextBuff] = myCollectedInfo"? |
| 18:40.58 | cogwheel | yes... code would help us tell you whether it's a problem :P |
| 18:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. probably should have asked for that earlier. |
| 18:41.14 | Esamynn | silly people, we don't look at code here |
| 18:41.16 | malreth | I did |
| 18:41.19 | Atriace | lol |
| 18:41.20 | Atriace | he did. |
| 18:41.24 | malreth | >_> |
| 18:41.24 | Esamynn | what do you think this is? a developer's channel??!?! |
| 18:41.30 | Esamynn | oh wait... |
| 18:41.30 | Atriace | Nonsense |
| 18:41.33 | malreth | yeah... fuck developers |
| 18:41.37 | Atriace | :) |
| 18:41.39 | cogwheel | yes plx |
| 18:41.43 | Atriace | sigh... alright |
| 18:41.45 | Esamynn | ~lart cogwheel |
| 18:41.45 | purl | whacks cogwheel with the cluebat |
| 18:42.15 | Esamynn | how strangely appropriate |
| 18:42.15 | Fisker- | o hai cogwheel |
| 18:42.16 | malreth | mmmm... manveloper love |
| 18:42.28 | Esamynn | ~hurt malreth |
| 18:42.29 | purl | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on malreth's hands, laughing all the while |
| 18:42.54 | malreth | why it put the hammer on the skin! WHY!?! |
| 18:43.12 | kd3 | one day me get that hammer! |
| 18:43.23 | Lopeppeppy | HAMMER TIME! |
| 18:43.37 | Esamynn | woot! |
| 18:44.02 | alestane | "Whoops-; I dropped sumthin'!" |
| 18:44.06 | amro | ~hammertime |
| 18:44.07 | purl | ACTION beats up Josh_Borke |
| 18:44.14 | Josh_Borke | whoa, i feel special!@ |
| 18:44.15 | sacarasc | hah |
| 18:44.18 | cogwheel | wtf? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8888563&st=ubuntu&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1211587312374 |
| 18:44.20 | kd3 | rofl |
| 18:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, good times |
| 18:44.30 | kd3 | yah, that hit /. today |
| 18:44.43 | Josh_Borke | cogwheel: is there a problem? |
| 18:44.49 | malreth | cogwheel: the problem with that product... is the box art shows people *smiling* about Ubuntu |
| 18:44.58 | Josh_Borke | and why wouldn't you? |
| 18:45.38 | amro | why does it say "complete edition"? |
| 18:47.04 | Josh_Borke | oh thanks, i've been feeling a little clogged lately |
| 18:47.39 | Dashkal | Josh, that wasn't a pipe cleaner... |
| 18:47.46 | Shirik | cogwheel: They've been selling Linux for a while now |
| 18:47.52 | alestane | "Turns out distro is actually just Windows Vista with a few custom themes." |
| 18:48.11 | Shirik | In fact, my first experience with Linux was by purchasing SuSE at Best Buy |
| 18:48.33 | amro | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=linux&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960 |
| 18:48.58 | Shirik | DJ Linux? |
| 18:50.27 | amro | apparently not related to linux at all |
| 18:50.45 | cogwheel | i bought redhat at compusa once. there was no way i was downloading it on a 28.8 connection (with a 56k modem freaking POTS sucked in my area) |
| 18:51.18 | Atriace | Alright, done and posted: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91036 |
| 18:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, I saw RedHat in a compusa some years ago when dial-up was the new strange. |
| 18:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy lot of code |
| 18:52.10 | Atriace | Told you so. |
| 18:53.27 | Atriace | I've rewritten the buffing code six times now. When I finished this iteration, I felt it was fairly concise... until I looked back at what I wrote... then I cried. |
| 18:53.57 | cogwheel | and arg# |
| 18:54.23 | Shirik | and globals |
| 18:54.35 | cogwheel | Atriace: where did you learn to do event handlers? (genuine curiosity... i'd hope nothing like that is still being put forward as current) |
| 18:54.38 | kamdis | haha http://tinyurl.com/5shgo8 |
| 18:55.09 | alestane | Which is the part where you're concerned about discarding tables? |
| 18:55.23 | Atriace | cogwheel: early tutorials, references from other mods. I've been improving my programming over time, but some parts of the code date to my beginnings |
| 18:56.01 | Atriace | alestane: lines 2571- 2630 |
| 18:56.11 | cogwheel | well if it's been a while then that's understandable :P |
| 18:56.21 | cogwheel | (though the changes were implemented in dec'06 |
| 18:56.34 | Atriace | I'm eager to improve. |
| 18:56.45 | cogwheel | do you have wow programming? |
| 18:57.07 | Esamynn | ~poke cogwheel |
| 18:57.07 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cogwheel, pokes cogwheel repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:57.07 | Atriace | You mean the book that many of the ops here wrote? |
| 18:57.18 | cogwheel | clad|away did a great job on event handlers :) |
| 18:57.19 | Shirik | only 1 op here wrote it |
| 18:57.32 | Shirik | cogwheel and Kaelten were involved, but aren't ops |
| 18:57.55 | Atriace | Well, either way, no. I've referenced wowwiki for nearly all of the API. |
| 18:58.16 | Kaelten | and we had help from several members of the community on the api sections. |
| 18:58.19 | Atriace | Crossed with some blizzard code and the Lua manual. |
| 18:59.15 | Josh_Borke | oooo, onevent makes me cry |
| 18:59.39 | Atriace | Know a better way? |
| 18:59.42 | cogwheel | much of blizzard code is badly outdated |
| 18:59.43 | Atriace | (I hope) |
| 18:59.47 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_best_practices#Use_local_event_handler_parameters |
| 19:00.54 | alestane | That whole section could be turned into a slightly odd for loop, or at least a careful use of a sub-function. |
| 19:01.29 | alestane | But I would also recommend reusing your tables, it should be easy enough. |
| 19:02.26 | cogwheel | Atriace: I may (*cough*) be a bit biased, but i would definitely recommend the book. It guides you through all these kinds of things and doesn't use any deprecated systems. |
| 19:02.32 | Esamynn | also, I'd toss away the "player" specific section |
| 19:02.46 | Esamynn | if you don't need the minor extra info that those specific functions give |
| 19:02.57 | Atriace | Esamynn: what line numbers? |
| 19:03.12 | Esamynn | starting at 2544 |
| 19:03.18 | Esamynn | to 2630 |
| 19:03.35 | Atriace | Why? |
| 19:03.45 | Atriace | You can't get buffs the same way with UnitBuff |
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| 19:04.01 | Atriace | You need a seperate method (GetPlayerBuff) for player. |
| 19:04.09 | Esamynn | do you need any of the player specific info, that you can't get from UnitBuff ? |
| 19:04.40 | Atriace | Well for one thing, the buffIndex of a player buff is different than the reported index from UnitBuff |
| 19:04.52 | Esamynn | yes, it is, but do you need to know that? |
| 19:05.15 | Atriace | It complicates disabling a buff (i.e, right-click it) if the index is wrong. You'll target off Fortitude and instead off pops thorns. |
| 19:05.37 | |Jelly| | Kamdis showed me this ... it hurts ... so from her to me to you, I give you ... SPORK YOUR EYES! http://s7.directupload.net/images/080420/9krn4rdu.jpg |
| 19:05.39 | Esamynn | I don't reccomend canceling by index anyways |
| 19:05.55 | Esamynn | well |
| 19:06.06 | Esamynn | actually, that's a tough one |
| 19:06.08 | Atriace | Jelly: ok... that's exactly what I'm trying to fix with SpartanUI. |
| 19:06.10 | Dashkal | |Jelly|: oh my god that does hurt |
| 19:06.17 | Atriace | too much clutter. |
| 19:06.44 | Esamynn | anyways, wasn't sure what your purpose was |
| 19:07.53 | Esamynn | now that I see the purpose of all this, I suppose you do need that section |
| 19:08.02 | Atriace | Alright, cogwheel. I must confess I've been avoiding taking a look at the book simply because I felt wowwiki + Lua manual > WoW Programming book. But if you think there's more to be gained from using it, I'll look into it. |
| 19:08.38 | Dashkal | Atriace: While wowwiki makes a dandy reference, the book is much better at describing /why/ you do things a given way |
| 19:08.38 | nevcairiel | wowwiki is so incomplete |
| 19:08.43 | Esamynn | Atriace: what do you use all this stored information for btw? |
| 19:08.51 | nevcairiel | the books API reference is so much better |
| 19:09.06 | Dashkal | that too, but I hate dead tree references, personally. |
| 19:09.24 | Esamynn | http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 19:09.26 | Dashkal | !api SendAddonMessage |
| 19:09.26 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'SendAddonMessage' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendAddonMessage |
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| 19:09.33 | Dashkal | So I use that now :p |
| 19:09.38 | Esamynn | heh |
| 19:09.38 | malreth | |Jelly|: part of the problem with that UI screenshot is that it's in German. Fix that and the guy'll have a much cleaner interface. |
| 19:09.45 | cogwheel | Atriace: references can only take you so far. Knowing how each component of a system works doesn't really give you the full picture of how to put the different components together |
| 19:10.09 | Atriace | Esamynn: the buff info goes into displaying the appropriate information for the buffs (as I am replacing them in my mod). The extra information is also collected so that buff priorities can be set. Say you want Sunders to show first, followed by your debuffs, and then everyone elses. |
| 19:10.37 | Dashkal | also, wtb SendAddonMessage for custom channels |
| 19:10.46 | Atriace | nani? |
| 19:10.55 | foxlit | if you're using custom channels, send addon messages in clear text? :) |
| 19:11.07 | Dashkal | foxlit: that would be what I'm trying to avoid :p |
| 19:11.13 | foxlit | why? |
| 19:11.26 | cogwheel | like, if you read in the Lua manual that the "or" operator returns its first operand when true, and it's second operand when false (and the similar description for "and"), you wouldn't necessarily "get" that "a and b or c" is roughly the equivalent of "a ? b : c" in C |
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| 19:12.51 | alestane | Atriace: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91037 |
| 19:13.58 | Esamynn | for state, storage in ipairs{["PASSIVE"] = helpful, ["HELPFUL"] = helpful, ["HARMFUL"] = harmful} do ?????? WTF |
| 19:14.14 | alestane | combines storage tracking and states into a single mechanism. |
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| 19:14.42 | alestane | It's a direct condensation of Atriace's code in the named lines. |
| 19:14.42 | Esamynn | how about we start with, "it won't compile" |
| 19:14.53 | cogwheel | sure it will |
| 19:14.55 | alestane | I did slip up on ipairs though. |
| 19:15.02 | alestane | It should just be pairs. |
| 19:15.16 | alestane | fixed. |
| 19:15.32 | cogwheel | Esamynn: what makes you think that wouldn't compile? |
| 19:15.55 | alestane | At one point it was just ipairs{"PASSIVE, "HELPFUL", "HARMFUL"} |
| 19:16.57 | Esamynn | well, that's interesting |
| 19:17.05 | Josh_Borke | example event handlers make me very sad too |
| 19:17.15 | cogwheel | lua> for _, v in ipairs{"test", "test2", "hi esamynn"} do print(v) end |
| 19:17.15 | lua_bot | cogwheel: test, test2, hi esamynn |
| 19:17.38 | malreth | syntax sugar, yom |
| 19:17.44 | Josh_Borke | lua> for _, v in pairs{"test", "test2", "hi esamynn"} do print(v) end |
| 19:17.44 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: test, test2, hi esamynn |
| 19:18.05 | Esamynn | it seems that syntax shortcut never sunk in |
| 19:18.09 | Esamynn | I hate it btw :P |
| 19:18.10 | alestane | In the form you quoted at me, it would compile and run, but the loop would execute 0 iterations. |
| 19:18.21 | Esamynn | yes, I see that now |
| 19:18.33 | alestane | If you're more comfortable putting () around the {}, go ahead. |
| 19:19.02 | cogwheel | Esamynn: it's to make it look like named parameters |
| 19:19.05 | alestane | Atriace: Make sure you refresh the URL I posted, I made a couple edits. |
| 19:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: needs more sponge like qualities imo |
| 19:19.23 | Atriace | atriace does, or the code? |
| 19:19.27 | Shirik | Esamynn: It should compile |
| 19:19.32 | Esamynn | yes, it does |
| 19:19.32 | Shirik | But that line is completely useless |
| 19:19.36 | Esamynn | I didn't check my facts :P |
| 19:19.46 | Esamynn | and in the process, I've learned something |
| 19:19.51 | Shirik | for state, storage in ipairs{["PASSIVE"] = helpful, ["HELPFUL"] = helpful, ["HARMFUL"] = harmful} |
| 19:19.53 | Shirik | that does nothing |
| 19:19.57 | Shirik | except waste memory |
| 19:20.00 | cogwheel | Shirik: shush |
| 19:20.07 | cogwheel | we've already established all that :P |
| 19:20.09 | alestane | Shirik: reload it. |
| 19:20.11 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:20.14 | Atriace | alright |
| 19:20.21 | Josh_Borke | Atriace: for that amount of events, you might want to consider using these methods for handling events: http://www.wowwiki.com/Doing_Tricks_Without_Lua_Method_Notation |
| 19:20.33 | Shirik | I still think it's a horrible idea :P |
| 19:20.36 | malreth | !api MoveViewRightStart |
| 19:20.37 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'MoveViewRightStart' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/MoveViewRightStart |
| 19:20.38 | Shirik | even when fixed |
| 19:21.02 | Atriace | malreth: it spins the camera |
| 19:21.03 | malreth | can you even call that from non-secure code? |
| 19:21.27 | cogwheel | yep |
| 19:21.30 | Josh_Borke | why would you do "and 8 or 16"? |
| 19:21.32 | Shirik | you can move the camera |
| 19:21.40 | Atriace | Go to SpartanUI.com and you'll see a video of it in action on the front page. |
| 19:21.42 | Shirik | just it doesn't affect your player |
| 19:21.57 | Shirik | Josh_Borke: If state == "HARMFUL" then 8 else 16 |
| 19:21.58 | Josh_Borke | not if it's in flash |
| 19:22.02 | alestane | Josh_Borke: The original code iterates only 8 times on state 'HARMFUL' but 16 times each on the other two. |
| 19:22.09 | malreth | i just always assumed they restricted those functions along with movement ages ago |
| 19:22.16 | Josh_Borke | i didn't read the original code |
| 19:22.22 | Josh_Borke | so you'll have to forgive me |
| 19:22.32 | Esamynn | nope, neva |
| 19:22.38 | cogwheel | malreth: it's not movement |
| 19:24.07 | Esamynn | args ::= `(´ [explist] `)´ | tableconstructor | String <-- grammar line I never noticed before |
| 19:24.15 | Esamynn | now I understand |
| 19:24.22 | malreth | yep |
| 19:24.27 | malreth | lua> print "X" |
| 19:24.27 | lua_bot | malreth: X |
| 19:24.30 | alestane | Atriace: Any questions? |
| 19:24.50 | Atriace | Not yet. I'm still absorbing. |
| 19:24.56 | alestane | k |
| 19:25.07 | Atriace | Oh, actually |
| 19:25.44 | Atriace | This (if it does indeed work) is certainly more concise, but do you believe there to have been a genuine issue with the prior code that would cause performance issues that this would fix? |
| 19:26.01 | Atriace | Or is it just concise. |
| 19:26.09 | alestane | Not really, except for one line. |
| 19:26.17 | alestane | ii = storage[i] or {} |
| 19:26.17 | Esamynn | it's a start to the awful waste of tables |
| 19:26.26 | Atriace | hehe |
| 19:26.27 | Esamynn | s/to/to fixing/ |
| 19:26.34 | malreth | lines 3455-3459... that is calling Sui_BuffScan() quite often... possibly twice per UNIT_AURA event |
| 19:26.35 | Shirik | what is tabard of frost? |
| 19:26.40 | alestane | It uses the old table if it exists already. |
| 19:26.45 | alestane | Shirik: loot card item. |
| 19:26.55 | Shirik | sorry, loot card? |
| 19:27.03 | alestane | From the WoW trading card game. |
| 19:27.06 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:27.06 | cogwheel | Esamynn: http://www.lua.org/pil/5.3.html imo :P |
| 19:27.12 | Atriace | But, isn't that what I was doing beforehand? |
| 19:27.14 | cogwheel | no manual or grammar needed |
| 19:27.34 | Esamynn | thank you, cogwheel, for continuing to rub my face in the fact that I learned something new :P |
| 19:27.37 | alestane | No, you were creating a new table every time. |
| 19:27.43 | Atriace | table ii was reused and the collected info all went into the same table (helpful or harmful) |
| 19:27.54 | alestane | You were not reusing table ii. |
| 19:27.58 | Atriace | shocker |
| 19:28.00 | alestane | You were reusing the name. |
| 19:28.00 | cogwheel | Esamynn: that's what i'm here for :P |
| 19:28.21 | alestane | "{list}" always makes a brand new table. |
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| 19:28.33 | Lunessa | STATION! |
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| 19:28.51 | Atriace | Being a local it would be unreferenced on every iteration thereby leaving it in non-referenced space to be GC'ed, correct? |
| 19:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I used purl for a bit to do that. |
| 19:29.06 | Shirik | purl can do that? |
| 19:29.18 | alestane | No, because the table helpful or harmful now had a reference to it under a certain key. |
| 19:29.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ~onjoin Shirik ~failrik |
| 19:29.20 | purl | ok, ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:29.20 | Lunessa | Shirik: He used an onjoin |
| 19:29.31 | Atriace | oh |
| 19:29.31 | Shirik | ... |
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| 19:29.44 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 19:29.57 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know if I've ever accomplished more in so few lines before |
| 19:30.07 | ScytheBlade1 | My day is complete |
| 19:31.37 | Esamynn | actually, alestane, there won't be any reuse in that code |
| 19:32.14 | alestane | because harmful and helpful are not persistent. |
| 19:32.21 | alestane | But that's a larger problem. |
| 19:32.24 | Esamynn | yes |
| 19:33.11 | alestane | So yes, Atriace this code will not solve much, but it is a step in the right direction. |
| 19:33.22 | alestane | It needs outside support. |
| 19:35.41 | alestane | But with a change to the first two lines it becomes more useful: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91039 |
| 19:38.11 | Esamynn | you probably want to clear out old entries in the helpful/harmful tables |
| 19:38.19 | Esamynn | after the loop ends |
| 19:39.18 | Codex|afk | I feel ripped off. bought a transformers talking keychain for $12, but instead of peter whatshisface from the movies, its some loser doing impersonations :( |
| 19:39.23 | kd3 | gah, my inner grammar nazi is failing me. "when it opens it's mouth"... should that it's be its' or its? |
| 19:39.43 | Esamynn | its |
| 19:39.43 | Josh_Borke | buffscan is terrible |
| 19:39.44 | alestane | kd3: Just its, no apostrophe. |
| 19:39.58 | malreth | no |
| 19:40.05 | Codex|afk | wow: blizzard authenticator that will ship to canada on ebay |
| 19:40.10 | Codex|afk | current price: 92 USD |
| 19:40.12 | malreth | it is a contraction |
| 19:40.22 | kd3 | it's not a contraction. it's a posessive |
| 19:40.27 | malreth | but instead of peter whatshisface from the movies, it is some loser doing impersonations |
| 19:40.36 | Josh_Borke | kd3: i see what you did there |
| 19:40.40 | Codex|afk | rofl |
| 19:40.51 | malreth | ~hurt kd3 |
| 19:40.52 | purl | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on kd3's hands, laughing all the while |
| 19:40.57 | Josh_Borke | Atriace: Sui_BuffScan is terrible, terrible, terrible |
| 19:41.07 | kamdis | ~hug kd3 |
| 19:41.08 | purl | ACTION jumps into kd3's lap and huggles and *hugs* kd3 |
| 19:41.09 | Atriace | I cought that comment earlier |
| 19:41.12 | Josh_Borke | Atriace: specifically recreating tables every iteration |
| 19:41.13 | malreth | Josh_Borke: but how do you really feel? |
| 19:41.24 | Atriace | Which I thought I wasn't doing... sadly. |
| 19:41.47 | Josh_Borke | local helpful = {} creates a table within the function every call |
| 19:41.58 | Atriace | So I've been told. |
| 19:42.20 | Codex|afk | how long do you suppose till there are more authenticators in stock, and canadian shippable? |
| 19:42.24 | Beladona | jumping in late, is this related to SpartanUI/ |
| 19:42.26 | Beladona | ? |
| 19:42.34 | malreth | Beladona: yes |
| 19:42.36 | Atriace | I had thought that the fact it was a local would've made it dissapear altogether upon every iteration |
| 19:42.39 | Beladona | I uses it |
| 19:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Codex|afk: several weeks for the former, and no ETA on the latter |
| 19:42.45 | Beladona | heavily hacked mind you |
| 19:42.45 | Atriace | Beladona: yes, it's my mod. |
| 19:42.46 | alestane | Atriace: Also, your code for units who aren't the player has support code for "HELPFUL", but never iterates over that value. |
| 19:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Codex|afk: there's a stick on the matter in general |
| 19:42.56 | Shirik | Codex|afk: The authenticators could be a while, and the canadian part |
| 19:43.01 | Shirik | well the canadian part is a whole other mess of issues |
| 19:43.10 | Lunessa | kd3 its |
| 19:43.13 | Codex|afk | ebay its almost $100USD |
| 19:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | inc long annoying link because I refuse to login every minute: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=09025482A145C0D3368870D64B794817.app05_08?topicId=7475467221&sid=1 |
| 19:43.37 | Shirik | distribution of cryptographic devices across national borders is very sensitive |
| 19:43.37 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: reloadevery |
| 19:43.56 | Esamynn | Shirik: yah, still, to Canada, jeez, the US paranoid |
| 19:43.59 | alestane | Oh, nvm, yes you do. |
| 19:43.59 | Josh_Borke | GUFFAW |
| 19:44.11 | Shirik | Esamynn: We elected fricking george w. bush |
| 19:44.13 | Codex| | what are we gonna do- bring bacon? |
| 19:44.15 | Shirik | wtf do you expect from us |
| 19:44.16 | Esamynn | s/paranoid/is paranoid/ |
| 19:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: helps never when I close my browser every five minutes |
| 19:44.32 | cogwheel | keep one window open & minimized? |
| 19:44.32 | Esamynn | Shirik: no, you didn't elect him, but you did RE-elect him :P |
| 19:44.42 | Shirik | well for the record I did neither |
| 19:44.52 | Shirik | but still my point stands :P |
| 19:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It's this compulsive ctrl+w habit I have |
| 19:45.03 | Fisker- | infact it was poisonous cogwheel |
| 19:45.39 | Shirik | I want to be made of metal :( |
| 19:46.58 | Shirik | You know |
| 19:47.03 | Shirik | now that I read that post ScytheBlade1, I find that rather offensive |
| 19:47.15 | Shirik | " This type of malicious code is often hidden in add-ons/mods" |
| 19:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: lol, I just skimmed it |
| 19:47.56 | Shirik | you should be able to report blue posts |
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| 19:48.11 | Esamynn | Shirik: yah, it's badly worded |
| 19:48.18 | Shirik | not badly worded, it's plain wrong |
| 19:48.32 | Esamynn | point |
| 19:48.33 | alestane | Atriace: is there XML that goes with this code? |
| 19:48.41 | Atriace | Yes |
| 19:49.19 | Atriace | The XML hasn't changed since the latest beta release. If you download the current beta, you'll have almost all of the remaining files. |
| 19:49.22 | alestane | Do you have that anywhere? |
| 19:49.36 | Atriace | spartanui.com/download.html |
| 19:49.55 | alestane | Hrm, I'll hold off for the moment. |
| 19:50.05 | kamdis | I think Esamynn is right Shirik, if he'd just written "under the guise of add-ons/mods" it would have been alright. |
| 19:50.21 | Lunessa | FYI - the laws on cyrptologic technology exports date back to WWII. That stuff is classified as munitions. Bad juju to ship it across the borders to anyone, even allied nations. |
| 19:50.54 | Esamynn | if it were state-of-the-art crypto, I could understand that |
| 19:52.02 | kamdis | It's not THAT difficult to get an export license to Canada for such items. they just didn't get it in time, it seems like to me. |
| 19:52.13 | Esamynn | aye, probably |
| 19:52.15 | kamdis | Other countries can be more difficult. |
| 19:52.16 | Esamynn | lazy Blizzard |
| 19:52.30 | Esamynn | everyone loves Canada! (except Blizzard) ;) |
| 19:52.33 | Codex| | lol |
| 19:52.51 | kd3 | lua>3470+3351+2239 |
| 19:52.51 | lua_bot | kd3: 9060 |
| 19:53.36 | Shirik | Canada has Cairenn |
| 19:53.41 | Shirik | therefore Canada is win |
| 19:53.41 | Thunder_Child | get a room you 2 |
| 19:53.44 | Lopeppeppy | That is true |
| 19:53.52 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:54.32 | Lunessa | Canada, a nation where 90% of the population lives in broadcast TV distance of the U.S. of A. |
| 19:54.53 | Lunessa | I kid, I kd! |
| 19:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | If they invade us, we're scrod. |
| 19:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 19:55.42 | Lunessa | Actually, Canada and the US have invaded each other... at least a few times. :) |
| 19:55.57 | malreth | we should annex canada and call it 'Even More North Dakota' |
| 19:56.00 | Esamynn | Canada burned down the White House once! 8) |
| 19:56.04 | Fisker- | everybody loves europe |
| 19:56.05 | Esamynn | ~lart malreth |
| 19:56.05 | purl | beats malreth into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 19:56.07 | Fisker- | except blizzard |
| 19:56.14 | Kirov | Northern Dakota |
| 19:56.16 | Cairenn | yup, and we kicked your scrawny asses |
| 19:56.36 | Codex| | the authenticator isnt even cutting edge technology |
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| 19:57.04 | Lunessa | Cairenn: *shrug* Step over the line now, I dare ya. |
| 19:57.11 | Kirov | Codex| - sure it is, it's cutting heavily in to Blizzards problem of how to make more money |
| 19:57.11 | kamdis | Try it now, Cairenn. I dare you! ;-) |
| 19:57.20 | Cairenn | Lunessa: we also left for a reason - we didn't want it :p |
| 19:57.21 | kamdis | boo Lunessa |
| 19:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | +1 |
| 19:57.25 | alestane | Atriace: Sui_DeriveUnit is better expressed as a table. |
| 19:57.27 | kamdis | I was typing and you stole my line |
| 19:57.29 | Codex| | do they get any profit if its 6.50 with free shipping? |
| 19:57.38 | Esamynn | Cairenn: exactly |
| 19:57.43 | Yssaril | idk but i always think of this picture http://carlnet.no-ip.org/canada_navy.jpg when thinking about canada and invasion |
| 19:57.46 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I think that's why we quit invading too. No one wants Quebec or Toronto. |
| 19:57.50 | Atriace | Good point. |
| 19:58.01 | Cairenn | oh, you can have TO :p |
| 19:58.10 | kamdis | Yssaril: lol |
| 19:58.27 | Codex| | you can have the homeless :P |
| 19:58.28 | kamdis | We sure as hell don't want Quebec |
| 19:58.28 | Lunessa | See? NO ONE wants it. |
| 19:58.51 | Esamynn | Yssaril: sad part is, that was far to close to the trust for comfort, for far too long |
| 19:59.15 | Esamynn | s/trust/truth/ |
| 19:59.22 | Codex| | any of you guys have an authenticaro for sale? |
| 19:59.30 | Codex| | authenticator* |
| 19:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I doubt it. |
| 19:59.49 | Shirik | Codex|, you do realize that what you're asking for is illegal, severely, right? |
| 20:00.06 | Codex| | if its legal on beay :P |
| 20:00.08 | Wikwocket | Is this another of those sites that post other people's mods without giving credit? http://www.wowmatrix.com/ |
| 20:00.08 | Codex| | ebay* |
| 20:00.11 | Shirik | it's not legal on ebay either |
| 20:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Wikwocket: /wrists, old topic is old! |
| 20:00.27 | Cairenn | which means that if you continue asking for it, you'll get kicked from the channel |
| 20:00.31 | Kirov | Codex| - I do, I'll sell it for $500. Ignore that it looks suspiciously like a pad of post-it notes with a button and some numbers drawn on it. |
| 20:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Wikwocket: yeah it is. And with inline gold seller ads. |
| 20:00.36 | Wikwocket | ScytheBlade1: I figured it might be, sorry :( |
| 20:00.40 | Shirik | Kirov >< |
| 20:00.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Wikwocket: no worries ;) |
| 20:01.27 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, stop trying to sell fake illigal things or you will get kicked.... |
| 20:01.39 | Codex| | kicked or kicked+banned? |
| 20:01.44 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - so, if I succeed at selling them, it's fine? |
| 20:01.50 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 20:02.04 | Shirik | Such a question shouldn't need to be asked, Codex|. This channel does not promote illegal activity. |
| 20:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:02.15 | Shirik | especially that which is a felony in the US |
| 20:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely random yet on topic: Canada's Army: http://i38.tinypic.com/d4p35.jpg |
| 20:02.36 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, but only because 50% of the proceeds are "donated" to wowi |
| 20:02.42 | Shirik | omg that's bad >< |
| 20:02.45 | malreth | HEY! That wagon's armed! |
| 20:02.48 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: love it |
| 20:02.50 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I was just browsing guild forums |
| 20:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | When someone posted that within the last 10 minutes |
| 20:03.12 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - Righty-o! |
| 20:04.56 | kamdis | But does malreth believe he can touch the sky? |
| 20:05.24 | malreth | only if i spread my wings |
| 20:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And entirely off topic: http://i33.tinypic.com/rco5e9.jpg |
| 20:06.56 | Dashkal | nice, sb |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | A student comes to a young professor's office hours. She glances down the hall, closes his door, kneels pleadingly. |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | "I would do *anything* to pass this exam." She leans closer to him, flips back her hair, gazes meaningfully |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | into his eyes. |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.12 | Kirov | "I mean..." she whispers, "...I would do...*anything*." |
| 20:10.14 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.16 | Kirov | He returns her gaze. "Anything?" |
| 20:10.18 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.20 | Kirov | "*Anything*." |
| 20:10.22 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.24 | Kirov | His voice softens. "*Anything*??" |
| 20:10.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Woudl you |
| 20:10.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Study? |
| 20:10.26 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.28 | Kirov | "*Anything*." |
| 20:10.30 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.32 | Kirov | His voice turns to a whisper. "Would you...*study*?" |
| 20:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Way to spam the channel btw |
| 20:11.08 | malreth | tell us what the man has won! |
| 20:11.16 | Kirov | :P |
| 20:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Your client also rate-limited the messages you were putting out |
| 20:11.46 | malreth | For stealing Kirov's thunder and pointing fun at his actions, you win a year supply of Ralfina Lemur Chow |
| 20:11.57 | Fisker- | ANYTHING? |
| 20:11.58 | Kirov | Yeah, I figured that didn't go through all the way. |
| 20:12.02 | malreth | "putting out" lawlz |
| 20:12.44 | malreth | i'd be pleasantly surprised if google had a reference to that |
| 20:13.56 | kamdis | no hits, though Rafina Lemur Chow had 2 |
| 20:14.04 | malreth | yeah, i saw that |
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| 20:14.20 | Codex|afk | is there a good in-came mathcrafter, or do i need to resort to websites that fail at importing armory? |
| 20:14.24 | malreth | even wikipedia doesn't have an article for where that fictional product came from |
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| 20:14.58 | kd3 | ..."Engineered to be even more natural!" |
| 20:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 20:16.22 | Lopeppeppy | Codex|afk, could you be more specific what you're after? |
| 20:16.38 | malreth | http://www.pangeasoft.net/weekendwarrior.html |
| 20:16.45 | Codex|afk | checking which gearsets do the most dps |
| 20:16.52 | malreth | before they made Halo, they published THIS gem |
| 20:17.06 | malreth | one of the parting gifts was a bag of lemur chow |
| 20:17.29 | malreth | the bag had the most adorable photo of a lemur's face on it |
| 20:18.06 | malreth | boo! it runs under Classic only |
| 20:18.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, right, haha |
| 20:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 20:19.29 | malreth | system requirements: 100mhz PowerPC 601, 16 Meg RAM, 3D Graphics Acceleration |
| 20:19.36 | malreth | ah... the bad old days of computer gaming |
| 20:19.37 | Atriace | SheepShaver, malreth, SheepShaver. |
| 20:19.55 | malreth | i used to run SheepShaver on my BeOS machine |
| 20:20.16 | durcyn | Codex|afk: you might try, uh, WowEquip, i seem to recall it allowed gear simulation |
| 20:20.23 | Atriace | As it did indeed originate from there. It's been multiplatformed since then. |
| 20:23.39 | malreth | it was fun running SheepShaver, running Virtual PC inside of that, running SoftMac in that, and Bochs inside of that, then an Atari ST emu inside of that... |
| 20:24.40 | malreth | actually, i forget how many VMs and emulators one guy managed to run |
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| 20:25.39 | Atriace | I seem to recall it was a loop of mac os over window 38 times. |
| 20:25.50 | Atriace | *s |
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| 20:29.40 | malreth | Wikwocket: http://drobo.com/Products/Drobo.html |
| 20:29.54 | malreth | new drobo version |
| 20:29.54 | malreth | includes FW 800 |
| 20:30.12 | malreth | still no eSATA, but it's an improvement |
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| 20:30.51 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.3) |
| 20:30.54 | Wikwocket | malreth: cool |
| 20:31.09 | Wikwocket | Does it include ethernet, or they still charging $200 for that? |
| 20:31.30 | malreth | droboshare is still separate |
| 20:32.16 | Wikwocket | Okay, thanks for the info |
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| 20:37.51 | MusicMan | is there an alternative to the addon EventCatcher that actually works? |
| 20:39.18 | MusicMan | I'll be idling while waiting for an answer |
| 20:41.06 | leethal | so, a site for real guilds that fetches data from the armory, with login stuff. Has anyone figured out a sane way to figure out if person X actually is in guild Y? |
| 20:43.44 | Lunessa | leethal: From armory? BWAHAHA |
| 20:44.10 | leethal | "PLOX ENTER UR WOW ACCOUNT PASSWD HIR AND WILL AUTH U" maybe? |
| 20:46.17 | Lunessa | The only way to be sure is... well, to get the GM or someone to vet your list against the Guild Roster in game. |
| 20:46.37 | alestane | MusicMan: What do you need to do? |
| 20:46.45 | MusicMan | catch events? >.> |
| 20:47.07 | alestane | For debugging purposes? |
| 20:47.10 | MusicMan | yes |
| 20:47.13 | alestane | DevTools. |
| 20:47.20 | alestane | iriel.wowinterface.com |
| 20:47.34 | MusicMan | hmm... |
| 20:47.46 | MusicMan | so that registers the events? |
| 20:48.25 | MusicMan | I didn't know if there was a difference with what devtools does and actually "registering" an event |
| 20:48.48 | MusicMan | I'm pretty much a noob to all this, if you couldn't tell ;) |
| 20:48.54 | alestane | Not sure what you mean. It stores a list of all events that have been sent by the client while it's in tracking mode. |
| 20:48.59 | Thunder_Child | ~devtools |
| 20:49.00 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 20:49.13 | MusicMan | I have devtools, I'll see what I can do |
| 20:49.17 | MusicMan | thanks guys :) |
| 20:49.18 | alestane | That way you can review the events, check their args, times, etc. |
| 20:49.47 | Ntruder | I have a really weird problem. |
| 20:50.10 | Wikwocket | Fix it with regular expressions! |
| 20:50.57 | Fisker- | just like your mother and so forth |
| 20:51.11 | Ntruder | the game won't go past the login screen with my mod loaded, but if I load it while already in the game it works fine. |
| 20:52.44 | Shirik | Ntruder: Sounds like you have an infinite loop at load |
| 20:53.55 | Ntruder | but wouldn't it get caught up in it on reloadui? |
| 20:54.10 | Shirik | how did you get to reloadui if you can't get past the login screen |
| 20:54.35 | Ntruder | I swap out the lua file with a blank, login, swap them back and the /console reloadui |
| 20:54.44 | Ntruder | *then |
| 20:55.07 | Shirik | identical file name and the file actually exists? |
| 20:55.15 | Ntruder | yep |
| 20:55.20 | Shirik | show me your code |
| 20:55.27 | Ntruder | its 21k |
| 20:55.30 | malreth | pastey it |
| 20:55.36 | malreth | see the topic |
| 20:55.37 | kamdis | shouldn't you buy him dinner or something first, Shirik? |
| 20:56.04 | malreth | kamdis: nonsense... he should show his code like the slut that he is |
| 20:56.08 | malreth | dirty dirty slut |
| 20:56.30 | Ntruder | <wink> |
| 20:56.45 | malreth | yeah, you know it |
| 20:58.28 | Shirik | Ntruder, were you going to pastey the code? |
| 20:58.39 | Ntruder | nah |
| 20:58.48 | Ntruder | I can fix it I was just looking for a quirk |
| 20:59.00 | Ntruder | if there's not one I can just unit the OnLoad functions |
| 20:59.08 | Ntruder | err unit test |
| 20:59.29 | Shirik | something you're telling me simply doesn't add up |
| 20:59.39 | Ntruder | it doesn't make sense to me why it wouldn't work on login but it would work on reloadui |
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| 21:01.00 | Codex|afk | anyone here use dr.dmg addon? |
| 21:01.32 | Gnarfoz | wtb automatic notice when blizz authenticator becomes available again :< |
| 21:02.10 | Codex| | wondering whats the difference between "average, averagehit, averagehittotal, and avgtotal" |
| 21:04.41 | Codex| | in drdamage for spells |
| 21:04.45 | Gnarfoz | average is the average dmg a spell does ((minimum + maximum) / 2), averagehit is for DoTs I believe, being the same, bot for each tick, avgtotal would be the total amount for a DoT's duration... not quite sure about the 3rd one, though |
| 21:04.51 | leethal | in game mail! Have a toon on all them servers that can get a password or secret key or something mailed |
| 21:04.59 | leethal | that means I'll have to get an US account too, though, meh |
| 21:05.36 | Kirov | http://www.mindnexus.com/cgi-bin/nph-proxy.cgi/010110A/http/i189.photobucket.com/albums/z58/MonteWilliams/marioTMNT.jpg - awesome |
| 21:05.46 | Codex| | Gnarfoz so for a simple fireball, i guess i want to monitor avgtotal, or that doresnt take the initial hit into account? |
| 21:05.58 | Codex| | or would be viewing dpsing per spell cast the best gauge? |
| 21:06.03 | Codex| | dps* |
| 21:06.21 | Gnarfoz | I seriously got no idea, I was just guessing from the names :D |
| 21:06.25 | malreth | Kirov: even casey looks sad |
| 21:06.34 | malreth | impressive for a mask |
| 21:06.41 | Atriace | wow... I'm seriously elated right now. |
| 21:07.02 | Atriace | Just my two cents, Beladona is awesome. |
| 21:07.09 | Codex| | the pornstar? |
| 21:07.29 | Atriace | Programmer pron stars, what? |
| 21:07.43 | Atriace | "my code is all naked, eep!" |
| 21:08.06 | Atriace | No, silly. |
| 21:08.30 | malreth | That Ntruder guy should get tips from you, Atriace. He wouldn't show his code. |
| 21:08.54 | Wikwocket | I would assume Atriace means http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?userid=12439 |
| 21:09.36 | Atriace | Wikwocket: the same person who just left irc. |
| 21:10.01 | *** part/#wowuidev leethal (n=leethal@cm-84.215.168.253.getinternet.no) |
| 21:11.11 | kd3 | damn it |
| 21:11.40 | malreth | Atriace: I always sing all the time every day |
| 21:11.45 | Thunder_Child | malreth, i got the last song, which is this? |
| 21:11.55 | Ntruder | actually I have some code to share :D |
| 21:12.01 | Ntruder | its not very exciting. |
| 21:12.09 | Atriace | Hey! At least you're posting. ;) |
| 21:12.29 | malreth | ~wiki Blue (Da Ba Dee) |
| 21:13.34 | Codex| | ~wiki Beladona |
| 21:13.42 | Codex| | lol |
| 21:13.55 | Codex| | ~wiki belladonna |
| 21:13.56 | Codex| | > |
| 21:13.58 | Codex| | ? |
| 21:14.16 | Codex| | dang whats her name :( |
| 21:16.33 | Ntruder | BPMainFrame:RegisterEvent("PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED"); <-- this is the problem. |
| 21:16.48 | Ntruder | its because the character is already in a raid on login and somehow this is causing a problem. |
| 21:17.03 | Ntruder | when you reload the ui the game already has the raid data ready. |
| 21:18.58 | Ntruder | sorry if I killed the pornstar buzz |
| 21:19.29 | Codex| | lolz |
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| 21:21.30 | malreth | it's hard to mimic her singing style in text... hrm |
| 21:22.44 | malreth | she has a delightful way of stretching out her vowels |
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| 21:24.22 | Gnarfoz | if a hunter FD's, UNIT_HEALTH will fire to update his health to 0, right? |
| 21:24.39 | Thunder_Child | malreth, http://www.kissthisguy.com/search_results.php?SearchType=Song&SearchAccuracy=contains&SearchTerm=Blue+(Da+Ba+Dee) |
| 21:24.55 | Thunder_Child | "Misheard Lyric: I'm blue and I will die if I eat apple pie" |
| 21:24.57 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
| 21:25.11 | malreth | i know the guy that runs that site |
| 21:26.05 | Thunder_Child | it sure has recieved a face lift since i have been there....say 7+ years ago |
| 21:26.52 | Thunder_Child | although i think i just broke it :( |
| 21:27.08 | malreth | i'll let him know it was you |
| 21:27.14 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
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| 21:31.59 | kd3 | lua>13.73*10000/6 |
| 21:31.59 | lua_bot | kd3: 22883.333333333 |
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| 21:33.48 | Lunessa | malreth is a people slut. He /knows/ everyone. Once, he was being introduced to the Pope, and a guy in the crowd asked me who the guy on stage with malreth was. True story. |
| 21:34.35 | Shirik | o.o |
| 21:34.51 | Codex| | wtf? |
| 21:34.53 | Codex| | Misheard Lyric: I'm blue, Apple tree, I will die (If I was green I would die) And will beat up a guy In Aberdeen. I will die And I will bleed, I will die. And I believe I am bi: I'm in need of a guy. |
| 21:35.19 | Thunder_Child | ya, i saw that one |
| 21:35.24 | malreth | somehow, i don't think that was "misheard" |
| 21:35.29 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, stop stealing an old joke |
| 21:35.39 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: No U. |
| 21:35.44 | Thunder_Child | ok |
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| 21:41.03 | Thunder_Child | ~flail |
| 21:41.21 | Thunder_Child | ~flail Thunder_Child |
| 21:41.26 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 21:41.47 | malreth | ~tickle Thunder_Child |
| 21:41.48 | purl | ACTION jumps on Thunder_Child, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
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| 21:49.32 | Gnarfoz | mhhh |
| 21:49.53 | Gnarfoz | I want to output all args of a function, can I somehow use ... to do it? |
| 21:50.15 | Cide | um, sure |
| 21:50.36 | Cide | for i = 1, select('#', ...) do print( (select(i, ...)) ) end |
| 21:50.36 | Gnarfoz | so far I've got debug(event.." fired, args: ".. ...) |
| 21:50.47 | Gnarfoz | hm ah, it's a list, then? |
| 21:50.55 | Cide | yes... |
| 21:50.59 | Gnarfoz | k :) |
| 21:51.00 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
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| 21:55.11 | Tem|laptop | ~simplicity |
| 21:55.15 | Tem|laptop | !simplicity |
| 21:55.30 | Tem|laptop | le sigh |
| 21:56.42 | Tem|laptop | crap |
| 21:56.48 | Tem|laptop | what's the first virtue of a programmer? |
| 21:56.53 | durcyn | laziness |
| 21:56.57 | Tem|laptop | ah yes |
| 21:56.58 | Tem|laptop | thanks |
| 21:57.09 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 21:58.35 | Tem|laptop | (too lazy to look it up myself) |
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| 22:01.03 | Tem|laptop | btw, fear of complexity is the one I was thinking of |
| 22:08.43 | Mikk | jesus christ. 2 guildies made a new 2v2 4 hours ago. |
| 22:08.47 | Mikk | they now have 2050 rating |
| 22:09.05 | kd3 | awesome or l33t haxx? |
| 22:09.06 | Gnarfoz | I'd say they're pretty skilled, then ^^ |
| 22:09.12 | Mikk | they're pretty skilled yeah :> |
| 22:09.14 | Mikk | 50 wins 8 losses |
| 22:09.19 | Mikk | bit of luck there too prolly |
| 22:09.24 | Mikk | rogue+MS warr |
| 22:09.53 | Gnarfoz | 2dps, too o_O |
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| 22:12.42 | Shirik | HI BATRICK_ |
| 22:13.00 | Lunessa | Oh man, bagging on me about my latency explanation post. :P |
| 22:13.14 | kamdis | heh |
| 22:14.44 | batrick_ | hi shirik! |
| 22:18.59 | Shirik | o.o |
| 22:19.02 | Shirik | this is a new quit message |
| 22:19.05 | Shirik | (18:18:51) - Quit: J3roen (i=jeroeng@langkous.intellit.nl) (Read error: 13 (Permission denied)) |
| 22:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, that's an awesome quit message. |
| 22:24.26 | Shirik | um, in #svn |
| 22:24.33 | Shirik | (18:23:49) (talexb) Shirik. F**K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:24.33 | Shirik | (18:23:57) (talexb) Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. |
| 22:24.37 | Shirik | >.> |
| 22:24.53 | Shirik | programming is serious business |
| 22:27.25 | kamdis | haha |
| 22:27.36 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 22:28.00 | Shirik | that was completely random. I was talking to him like 15 minutes earlier and then gave up because I couldn't solve his problem... |
| 22:28.13 | Thunder_Child | ~lazyness |
| 22:28.54 | Thunder_Child | spelling pisses me off |
| 22:29.29 | Shirik | so have batbot spell for you :) |
| 22:29.32 | Shirik | lazyness (sp?) |
| 22:29.38 | Shirik | or not |
| 22:29.54 | cogwheel | ~poke batbot |
| 22:29.55 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind batbot, pokes batbot repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 22:30.23 | cogwheel | lazyness (sp?) |
| 22:30.23 | batbot | cogwheel, laziness. |
| 22:30.25 | cogwheel | \o/ |
| 22:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, I see that cog has been rolling the customer service forums lately |
| 22:31.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, because batbot would break if it had to clean up after all of my spelling mistakes |
| 22:31.06 | kd3 | meh, it's funny how a lot of the forum regulars wind up there after a while |
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| 22:31.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought you were a different green until someone quoted you and said 'cog' |
| 22:31.51 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: heh. UI's been pretty slow recently :P |
| 22:32.50 | Kaso | echo "brown" | md5sum - |
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| 22:32.58 | Kaso | ^ Its a hash brown! |
| 22:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, true enough |
| 22:33.19 | Lunessa | I don't go there unless one of you weasels points out a gem. :P |
| 22:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: I could bump the magelo thread and back the authors! |
| 22:33.26 | laeg | playing reign of chaos makes me want to make a paladin |
| 22:33.52 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: fine with me :P Silenia's gone and that's all i care about ;) |
| 22:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | boo, not even close to the desired effect |
| 22:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 22:34.13 | cogwheel | >:D |
| 22:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I could make a poster named Silenia! |
| 22:34.23 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW! |
| 22:34.28 | cogwheel | NEVAH! |
| 22:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Too late, it is done |
| 22:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to wait on the forums to process the update |
| 22:35.53 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: took almost a week for a new toon to show up for me |
| 22:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, by then I'll have forgotten and the novelty will be gone. Consider yourself lucky. |
| 22:37.42 | cogwheel | you'd also have to get it to 70 for me to believe it :P |
| 22:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (Something tells me that I'm not very threatening) |
| 22:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 22:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Weeeeellllllllllll |
| 22:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I could always go poke the /actual/ Silenia |
| 22:38.25 | kd3 | damn it... |
| 22:39.07 | kamdis | just tell people you're german, kd3 |
| 22:39.14 | kamdis | or something |
| 22:44.09 | Lunessa | He's already got the jackboots. |
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| 22:47.51 | Shirik | you know |
| 22:47.55 | Shirik | I need to visit CSF more often |
| 22:47.58 | Shirik | "My account was bannnerezzed not this one of course but my other one with character Dreadddnaught and i think i know the reason but i believe it was unfair and i sent an email to admin but no response i pay alot of money for world of warcraft and i would expect blizzard to help me out considering i have never botted cheated or been suspected even... GM! come and SAVE THE DAY!" |
| 22:48.17 | Shirik | it might make my life a little more full of amusement |
| 22:49.56 | foxlit | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4687 |
| 22:50.11 | foxlit | "They stole my internets" would've been an awesome catchphrase |
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| 22:56.06 | Sixen | *waves* |
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| 22:57.49 | Sixen | =] |
| 22:58.07 | foxlit | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1040 |
| 22:58.08 | batrick_ | fire spells should make tree restro druids explode imo |
| 22:58.19 | Lunessa | Do gnomes come with a vibrate setting? |
| 22:58.19 | Kaso | expode? |
| 22:58.21 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: s/e// |
| 22:58.29 | batrick_ | yes, explode |
| 22:59.14 | Thunder_Child | lol foxlit |
| 22:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick_: depends on how much burst the mage has, and how stupid the druid is |
| 22:59.30 | foxlit | "Shrouds you in misery" is an awesome line |
| 22:59.35 | batrick_ | sorry but |
| 22:59.37 | Sixen | lawl |
| 22:59.41 | batrick_ | all the druid has to do is put every hot on themself |
| 22:59.43 | Sixen | dey shud xplod |
| 22:59.44 | batrick_ | and the mage is fucked |
| 22:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick_: I've burst resto druids to death in under 5 seconds, and said resto druid was decked in ~2000 +heal |
| 23:00.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Counterspell the regrowth, nuke nuke nuke |
| 23:00.20 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: I did that barefoot. |
| 23:00.25 | foxlit | While walking uphill. |
| 23:00.25 | batrick_ | i suppose that's the "stupid druid" you speak of |
| 23:00.26 | foxlit | Both ways. |
| 23:00.29 | foxlit | In the winter. |
| 23:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: except I actually did, fire mage crits + trinkets ftw :P |
| 23:01.12 | Lunessa | Two words; Shaman Purge. :P |
| 23:01.19 | Thunder_Child | actually foxlit, "shrouds you in mistery" is just as apt |
| 23:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It was a 1v1 duel :P |
| 23:01.53 | foxlit | what's a mistery? |
| 23:02.04 | Thunder_Child | whats being taught |
| 23:02.11 | Shirik | we've already asserted that Thunder_Child can't spell |
| 23:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I also have no real value of money, or so it seems |
| 23:02.42 | batrick_ | !lua assert(ThunderChildCanSpell) |
| 23:02.42 | batbot | batrick_: @ [string "return assert(ThunderChildCanSpell)"]:1: assertion failed! |
| 23:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I now own a 1600g mount :( |
| 23:02.44 | Thunder_Child | many many times Shirik |
| 23:03.24 | Thunder_Child | lol, batrick_, you should have batbot auto correct me |
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| 23:04.04 | batrick_ | Thunder_Child: Cairenn would kick me if i did that |
| 23:04.54 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, she might apreciate correctly spelled words |
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| 23:07.31 | Gnarfoz | there's no way to get more than second accuracy out of lua for time queries, is there? (like the combatlog which has millisecond accuracy) |
| 23:07.56 | Gnarfoz | os.time doesn't take anything that returns anything below seconds :\ |
| 23:08.12 | Shirik | in WoW? |
| 23:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: time() |
| 23:08.23 | Shirik | GetTime will give you better accuracy |
| 23:08.25 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 23:08.26 | Gnarfoz | yes, in WoW |
| 23:08.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it, GetTime() |
| 23:08.35 | Gnarfoz | oh, sweet |
| 23:08.36 | Gnarfoz | thanks |
| 23:08.41 | Shirik | but keep in mind GetTime is using the user's clock |
| 23:08.44 | Shirik | not the server's |
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| 23:09.16 | Shirik | also GetTime relies on OS features, so may react differently depending on OS (though I don't think it does, in practice) |
| 23:09.52 | Sixen | Is there anyway to view Blizzard's Add-ons? The .pub files, or whatever they are? |
| 23:10.11 | Shirik | the .pub files are just keys |
| 23:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: interface kit for you! |
| 23:10.15 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 23:10.16 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 23:10.33 | Sixen | Nono, i'm specifically referring to the PTR's Feedback UI add-on. |
| 23:10.37 | Sixen | That's not included in there. |
| 23:10.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 23:10.45 | cogwheel | Lunessa: /boggle @ Keean ("Macro help" thread) |
| 23:10.48 | Shirik | winmpq |
| 23:10.48 | Sixen | =/ |
| 23:10.49 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to wait for a PTR phase taht has it enabled then ;) |
| 23:10.58 | kd3 | mpq editors <3 |
| 23:11.04 | Sixen | hmph. |
| 23:11.12 | Sixen | That's gay, =[. |
| 23:11.13 | Shirik | I never actually used the official kit |
| 23:11.25 | Sixen | What if there is a PTR phase that has it enabled, but doesn't have the .toc files, etc? ;) |
| 23:11.28 | Arrowmaster | feadbackui isnt secure |
| 23:11.35 | Lunessa | cogwheel: *shrug* Reading Comprehension is not his strong suit. |
| 23:11.37 | Arrowmaster | i think it just shows up in the addons dir |
| 23:11.49 | Sixen | Here's what files would be there.. |
| 23:12.20 | Sixen | "Blizzard_FeedbackUI.pub" |
| 23:12.56 | cogwheel | odd that it isn't extracted by the addon kit |
| 23:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: when you have access to the client that has the FeedbackUI enabled, you can find it in the MPQs |
| 23:13.15 | cogwheel | considering it gets the rest of the blizzard addons from wowtest |
| 23:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: otherwise it doesn't exist |
| 23:17.13 | Cralor` | what is wrong with this? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91053 |
| 23:18.05 | Cralor` | i'm trying to make the message appear after entering the slash command |
| 23:18.21 | Shirik | and instead the message shows immediately |
| 23:18.30 | Cralor` | at start up, yes |
| 23:18.31 | Cralor` | =/ |
| 23:19.56 | Sixen | @Cog it's not in the WoWTest. |
| 23:20.03 | Sixen | It's on vacation up north, x_x. |
| 23:22.49 | Cralor` | Shirik: any hints? |
| 23:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: MPQ editor |
| 23:25.31 | Sixen | Yeah, :/ |
| 23:25.40 | Shirik | Cralor`, did you write that yourself? |
| 23:26.26 | Shirik | only reason I ask is to see how much of what's there you actually understand |
| 23:27.11 | Cralor` | Shirik: you mean the whole .lua file? |
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| 23:28.14 | Codex| | is there an interface option somewhere to allow pushing the directional up and down arrows to repeat entered text without having to push alt? |
| 23:28.20 | Codex| | it appears Chatter doesnt offer this function |
| 23:28.31 | Corrodias | don't know |
| 23:28.42 | Corrodias | i hope i've been helpful |
| 23:29.04 | Cralor` | Shirik: or that piece right there? |
| 23:30.30 | Shirik | Cralor`: that piece |
| 23:31.34 | Cralor` | only the function() Frame1:Show(); end - part. i got that courtesy of Iriel (C) |
| 23:31.48 | Shirik | ok, that's the part that gets run when the person types the slash command |
| 23:31.55 | Shirik | everything in between function() and end |
| 23:31.55 | Cralor` | yea i know ;D |
| 23:32.04 | Shirik | your code, the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage.... |
| 23:32.06 | Shirik | is not in between those two |
| 23:32.15 | Cralor` | oh ... |
| 23:33.30 | Cralor` | check it now: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91055 |
| 23:34.40 | Cralor` | nvm. it works. my problems are always so easy. thank you very much |
| 23:34.57 | Cralor` | to fix* |
| 23:36.12 | Codex| | is there any way to change my chat channel ordering? acecomm keeps moving to spot one |
| 23:37.25 | Lunessa | Did you leave all other channels or something? |
| 23:37.43 | Codex| | no |
| 23:37.47 | Codex| | happened on login |
| 23:38.10 | Codex| | and leaving acecomm rejoins IMMEDIATELY |
| 23:38.13 | Lunessa | Then AceComm shouldn't be snagging slot one. Are you sure you have the right library? |
| 23:38.39 | Lunessa | I mean, that sounds like old behavior. |
| 23:38.41 | Codex| | No, how do i check? |
| 23:38.49 | Codex| | i have ace 2 and ace 3 lib enabled |
| 23:38.59 | Codex| | someone told me it was wise |
| 23:39.05 | Cralor` | where can i find a list of the coloring via code? (like if i wanted to make Mana text blue) |
| 23:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Log out, edit your chat-cache files and remove the acecomm channel. Log back in and it should get back in line. |
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| 23:39.39 | Lunessa | Codex|: ^^ |
| 23:39.54 | Codex| | wheres that file? |
| 23:40.02 | ScytheBlade1 | In your WTF\Somewhere folder. |
| 23:40.11 | Codex| | found it |
| 23:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Just search for a file named "chat" and it'll come up |
| 23:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that you have to edit the channel out in TWO places in that file. Search for it and remove all occurances. |
| 23:40.26 | Codex| | holy smokes |
| 23:40.28 | Codex| | file is a mess |
| 23:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Not to a computer. :) |
| 23:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You're looking for a CHANNELS section, iirc |
| 23:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | But really, just search for the channel by name and remove all occurances of it |
| 23:41.01 | Codex| | ./find revealed 0 instances of "ace" |
| 23:41.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm. If AceComm leaves the channel before logout it wouldn't be saved. |
| 23:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | But then it shouldn't steal your first slot either |
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| 23:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you do a case sensitive search? |
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| 23:49.49 | Cralor` | is it not possible to call the same function twice on the same frame? |
| 23:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's 100% possible |
| 23:50.28 | Cralor` | i'm trying to make a second fontstring with health / mana current and mac |
| 23:50.30 | Cralor` | max |
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| 23:50.49 | Cralor` | i didnt succeed to combine them in one function, so i tried 2 seperate ones |
| 23:50.57 | Cralor` | now it is only working for my second function |
| 23:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds to me like your first one is broke |
| 23:51.33 | Cralor` | i didnt touch it |
| 23:51.40 | Cralor` | it was working fine before i added the 2nd one |
| 23:51.52 | Cralor` | would you like a copy of the code? |
| 23:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's usually the only way to tell the problem, yes |
| 23:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 23:52.35 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91056 |
| 23:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Um. You're... heh |
| 23:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhhh |
| 23:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | How to put this |
| 23:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You're declaring the function once, and then declaring it as something else a second time |
| 23:54.00 | Cralor` | =( |
| 23:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> var = "a"; var = "b"; print(var); |
| 23:54.21 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: b |
| 23:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | For example. |
| 23:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | You're doing the same thing, only with functions. |
| 23:55.01 | Cralor` | i thought you said that was possible? lol |
| 23:55.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 19:49 < Cralor`> is it not possible to call the same function twice on the same frame? |
| 23:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's entirely possibel to call the same function twice |
| 23:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | *possible |
| 23:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem is your definition of "same function" |
| 23:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You have one function and you're calling it once |
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| 23:56.22 | Cralor` | so what part is wrong? |
| 23:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | None of it is technically 'wrong' |
| 23:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91058 |
| 23:56.59 | Cralor` | i know, but what part must i change |
| 23:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But that would be what you want to do |
| 23:57.28 | Cralor` | that was my first attempt lol |
| 23:57.33 | Cralor` | it didn't work |
| 23:57.49 | Cralor` | i'll try again |
| 23:59.07 | Cralor` | lol now it works! must have been a typo. i thought i looked at it thoroughly. |
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| 23:59.41 | Cralor` | actually i don't know what it was. because i just copy and pasted my own code |
| 23:59.58 | Cralor` | oh well. thanks !! |
