| 00:00.06 | Codex|WoW | that arent in use but think they are |
| 00:00.06 | Codex|WoW | this one is a spyware |
| 00:00.12 | Codex|WoW | i can cut it, rename it, but not delete it |
| 00:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You kill the spyware, and then the file |
| 00:00.29 | Codex|WoW | and takeown \f isnt workin on it |
| 00:01.32 | Codex|WoW | ive been looking for a delete on next reboot program thats compatiblr with vista |
| 00:01.36 | Codex|WoW | most of them dont work past xp |
| 00:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | There are a few million different ways that files can be locked on a computer, there's really no generic method aside from "kill the process using it" |
| 00:03.29 | Codex|WoW | anyone having a problem with firefox3 remember the size of the 'download as' window? |
| 00:09.04 | Codex|WoW | every time i click on an exe in firefox the window isnt big enough to see the buttons |
| 00:10.07 | Kaso | do you have some funny low resolution? |
| 00:11.14 | Codex|WoW | nope |
| 00:11.31 | Codex|WoW | 1280x1024 |
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| 00:15.46 | Codex|WoW | so mobinfo is treating my normal tooltip as a not-so-normal tooltip and making its own |
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| 00:22.06 | Codex|WoW | scythe u still here? |
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| 00:22.25 | Codex|WoW | my rogue tooltip is named MI2_TooltipFrame but /script MI2_TooltipFrame:Hide() doesnr make it go away |
| 00:22.26 | Codex|WoW | any idea? |
| 00:25.02 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.28 | Codex|WoW | i liked it lol |
| 00:25.37 | Codex|WoW | well ill try and delete all the variables and redownload it |
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| 00:47.35 | Duman | hmm |
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| 01:25.30 | Codex|WoW | kaso you there? |
| 01:26.57 | Kaso | yes |
| 01:27.13 | Codex|WoW | I managed to fix every problem that ive mentioned tonight |
| 01:27.16 | Codex|WoW | everything, fixed! |
| 01:27.21 | Codex|WoW | from firefox to mobinfo :) |
| 01:27.40 | Kaso | Hah |
| 01:27.42 | Kaso | good work |
| 01:27.46 | Codex|WoW | lol :) |
| 01:29.06 | Codex|WoW | hmm. last question kaso: on the wow minimap, im able to select the box in which it says your location, i.e. Ironforge, and im able to hide that frame |
| 01:29.20 | Codex|WoW | hoewver, the BOX that that sits in is apart of the frame of the netire minimap |
| 01:29.26 | Codex|WoW | any idea how to hide just that part? |
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| 01:30.57 | Kaso | So you want to hide "Ironforge [x]" keep the minimap showing, unlike what would happen if yuo clicked [x] |
| 01:31.03 | Kaso | the opposite of what would happen |
| 01:31.33 | Codex|WoW | yea |
| 01:31.42 | Codex|WoW | just want to hide that stupid Ironforge bar |
| 01:31.44 | Codex|WoW | i know where i am, lol |
| 01:31.52 | Codex|WoW | and if i didnt, i have a fubar plugin to tell me |
| 01:32.05 | Kaso | you need to find out what the frame is called |
| 01:32.10 | Codex|WoW | moveanything provided support for the zone text and its bar, but moveit just the text |
| 01:32.17 | Kaso | hover over it and type /run GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 01:32.32 | Codex|WoW | its object is MinimapCluster, parent is frameparent |
| 01:32.35 | Codex|WoW | hold on let me try that |
| 01:33.44 | Codex|WoW | yea., minimap cluster |
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| 01:35.31 | Codex|WoW | should i try old school cleanminimap addon from 2.3.2? |
| 01:35.40 | Kaso | Ok i see |
| 01:36.19 | Codex|WoW | let me try this ancient addon |
| 01:36.30 | Gnarfoz | erm |
| 01:36.31 | Gnarfoz | Codex|WoW: |
| 01:36.37 | Gnarfoz | which fubar plugin are you using? |
| 01:36.37 | Kaso | So, MinimapCluster is the whole minimap frame, it contains the text, the X button and the whole minimap |
| 01:37.04 | Kaso | you can hide just MinimapZoneTextButton and MinimapToggleButton plus the texture MinimapBorderTop |
| 01:37.12 | Codex|WoW | Gnarfoz the one that shows me location? |
| 01:37.12 | Kaso | which should get rid of the top bit you want |
| 01:37.15 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 01:37.16 | Codex|WoW | fubar_pointman |
| 01:37.26 | Gnarfoz | pointman? wtf is that |
| 01:37.27 | Codex|WoW | dunno, found it lol |
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| 01:37.39 | Codex|WoW | tells me zone- area- coords |
| 01:37.40 | Gnarfoz | locationfu hides the bar you're talking about, if you want it to. |
| 01:37.45 | Codex|WoW | wicked |
| 01:38.09 | Codex|WoW | you guys have been a GODLY amount of help |
| 01:38.13 | Codex|WoW | today |
| 01:38.14 | Codex|WoW | thank you |
| 01:39.09 | Codex|WoW | oh location fu does what pointman does and more |
| 01:39.10 | Codex|WoW | <3 |
| 01:39.53 | Codex|WoW | ugh minimap button frame doesnt catch minimap buttons that have been detached |
| 01:40.30 | Kaso | retach them? |
| 01:40.35 | Kaso | is retach a word? |
| 01:40.42 | Gnarfoz | reattach is one |
| 01:40.57 | Kaso | why does re need the "at", when de doesnt? |
| 01:41.03 | Gnarfoz | also, frames don't catch anything :> |
| 01:41.09 | Gnarfoz | ...? |
| 01:41.14 | Gnarfoz | attach, detach, reattach |
| 01:41.26 | Codex|WoW | how would i reattach them? |
| 01:41.43 | Codex|WoW | the ct control panel and mobmap buttons are loosely draggable |
| 01:41.43 | Kaso | attach, de-tach why not re-tach following the pattern of detach? |
| 01:41.55 | Gnarfoz | because you fail at etymology, I guess oO |
| 01:42.10 | Gnarfoz | ad, de, re |
| 01:42.13 | Gnarfoz | latin prefixes? |
| 01:42.16 | Gnarfoz | *at |
| 01:42.19 | Kaso | i believe ct's icon automatically sets parent to minimap if you move it close and "clip" |
| 01:42.26 | Gnarfoz | (ad, actually.) |
| 01:42.33 | Kaso | what does tach on it own mean then? |
| 01:42.54 | Gnarfoz | figure it out by thinking about what attach and detach mean. |
| 01:43.54 | Gnarfoz | one puts something somewhere, the other takes it away. if you separate the 'direction' part off of that (at/de)... you can't put 're' in front of what's left to say attach again |
| 01:44.05 | Gnarfoz | because redetach makes just as much sense ;> |
| 01:44.31 | Codex|WoW | Codex|WoW is this text rainbow colored? |
| 01:44.37 | Kaso | nope |
| 01:44.57 | Codex|WoW | was my name part ofi t? |
| 01:45.03 | Kaso | well you could detach something, attach it, then redetach it! |
| 01:45.09 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 01:45.19 | Gnarfoz | would you want to call that 'retach', too? |
| 01:45.31 | Kaso | sure! |
| 01:45.32 | Kaso | ;p |
| 01:45.40 | Kaso | i see your point though |
| 01:45.51 | Codex|WoW | ok kaso, so i managed to "clip" ct control back |
| 01:45.57 | Codex|WoW | but MBF doesnt want to scoop it |
| 01:46.33 | Kaso | rainbow colored words on irc a hard given the limited colour pallet defined by mIRC's defacto colour standard |
| 01:47.51 | Kaso | Im not really sure about that, ive not used that addon, im only guessing how it works |
| 01:48.08 | Codex|WoW | im gonna try to delete the saved variable of mobmap and hope minimap icon is back on the minimap |
| 01:48.17 | Codex|WoW | alright ill catch you guys later |
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| 01:58.35 | Codex|sleep | how can i see who on this server uses my nickname |
| 01:58.39 | Codex|sleep | is there a /who for people? |
| 01:59.35 | Codex|sleep | because theres another codex, who also uses codex|afk |
| 02:00.15 | Codex|sleep | oh, whois :) |
| 02:00.18 | Codex|sleep | ok, bue |
| 02:00.20 | Codex|sleep | bye8 |
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| 02:05.45 | Gnarfoz | Codex|sleep: that was you yourself. |
| 02:05.55 | Codex|sleep | oh snap |
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| 02:18.03 | Shirik|Ecole | we have reached the pinnacle of ghetto |
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| 02:18.19 | Shirik|Ecole | the board we're using uses mini-IDE, but we have an IDE CD-ROM drive |
| 02:18.19 | Lopeppeppy | Just because I came into the channel? Oh dear. :) |
| 02:18.22 | Shirik|Ecole | so.... http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f63851468990833603e20c33b3de826b.jpg |
| 02:19.13 | Shirik|Ecole | we wired it with 40 wires |
| 02:19.15 | Shirik|Ecole | omg took so long >< |
| 02:19.41 | Lopeppeppy | You scares me. |
| 02:22.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, they dont have a converter? |
| 02:22.54 | Shirik|Ecole | we don't :D |
| 02:24.23 | Kaso | Shirik|Ecole, nice clean signal there |
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| 02:27.06 | Zorkmid | I got problems with gatherer, when I loot money I get an error msg, libswag something soemthing. |
| 02:27.06 | Zorkmid | <Zorkmid> I have newest gatherer, and when I disable gatherer, it goes away. |
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| 02:33.01 | Lopeppeppy | Zorkmid, where are you downloading Gatherer from? http://www.gathereraddon.com/ is the official site. And there's a channel on IRC, #norganna (IIRC) |
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| 02:41.59 | Zorkmid | yea thats where I got it |
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| 02:43.30 | Shirik|Ecole | omg |
| 02:43.32 | Shirik|Ecole | it works.... |
| 02:43.33 | Shirik|Ecole | YES! |
| 02:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | huzzah! |
| 02:51.01 | Lopeppeppy | Evening, |Jelly| ! How are you? |
| 02:52.00 | |Jelly| | Pretty good. Pretty good. |
| 02:52.57 | Lopeppeppy | It's Saturday night, time to watch a trashy movie and laugh at it. :) |
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| 03:16.21 | Shirik|Ecole | ~x de en zwitter |
| 03:16.28 | Shirik|Ecole | o.o |
| 03:16.38 | Shirik|Ecole | strange songs >.> |
| 03:18.55 | Kaso | heh |
| 03:19.17 | Kaso | Javascript is apparently 60times faster on my PC than my ipod |
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| 03:34.36 | kaiden | lol |
| 03:34.42 | kaiden | gotta love linkinus ;) |
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| 03:35.15 | kaiden | wouldn't that be a hypotenuse ? :P |
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| 03:37.06 | kaiden | plıɥÉ_ɹÇpunÉ¥Ê uı ÇÊÇılÇq Êuop ı |
| 03:37.29 | kaiden | TEH KATS WILL ATTACK U AN CLAW OUT UR EYEZ 4 DAT SNEEZE! |
| 03:37.47 | kaiden | catinese... an awful lot like noobinese |
| 03:40.00 | kaiden | Zl ebg13 rapelcgvba fnlf lbh fhpx |
| 03:42.39 | kaiden | hey no need to bring your mom into this.. |
| 03:42.44 | kaiden | :p |
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| 04:01.07 | kaiden | it's sad when you forget how to manually reload you ui because you've had ace's /rl to do it for so long |
| 04:01.08 | kaiden | heh |
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| 04:13.39 | kachna|lappy | :/ guys,anyone runs this game on linux? :/ dunno about better place to ask atm :P |
| 04:14.06 | kachna|lappy | updated the machine a bit, and getting this now: |
| 04:14.20 | kachna|lappy | err:module:attach_process_dlls "DivxDecoder.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
| 04:19.30 | kd3 | are you running wow from inside the wow directory? |
| 04:20.38 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/90686 <- is the shellscript I use to run wow |
| 04:22.37 | kachna|lappy | ye well,i'm in terminal,in wow folder using just wine ./WoW.exe :) |
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| 04:23.17 | Lukian | wine wow.exe |
| 04:23.23 | Lukian | wine wow.exe -opengl |
| 04:23.25 | Lukian | actually |
| 04:23.44 | kd3 | the ./ shouldn't make a difference. you can set -opengl in config.wtf too. |
| 04:24.16 | Lukian | check that divxdecoder.dll is in the wow folder? |
| 04:25.56 | kachna|lappy | it is |
| 04:26.08 | kachna|lappy | -opengl...i set it in config :) |
| 04:26.23 | kachna|lappy | ye what kd3 said :P |
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| 05:47.04 | Seerah | yay! new addon up. :) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9184-Plink.html now it's time for bed >< |
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| 05:50.08 | kachna|lappy | cute |
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| 06:13.18 | zespri | in recount, is it possible to save stats after a fight for a later review and then reset for the next fight? |
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| 06:29.47 | Tekkub | http://www.furaffinity.net/fa_offline.jpg |
| 06:29.57 | Tekkub | yes, that link is safe for you prudes at work |
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| 08:15.25 | frop | hello |
| 08:15.36 | frop | what's going on at elitistjerks? |
| 08:16.24 | EriCKY | my boner |
| 08:16.30 | EriCKY | helll yeah son |
| 08:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | frop: uh? |
| 08:21.44 | Fisker- | i'm a space invader wee |
| 08:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | frop: looks like it was a massive spam attack. forums were temporarily (intentionally) crippled to deal with it. |
| 08:28.01 | EriCKY | i have herpes |
| 08:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | EriCKY: should see a doctor about that. |
| 08:30.04 | EriCKY | can someone decurse it |
| 08:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I... |
| 08:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 08:30.39 | EriCKY | damn |
| 08:30.47 | EriCKY | what about at 80 |
| 08:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe with a +b, but that's just a guess |
| 08:31.57 | EriCKY | do i need titan panel |
| 08:32.06 | EriCKY | to heal the herpes' |
| 08:32.12 | EriCKY | its not a dot |
| 08:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ping |
| 08:32.25 | EriCKY | helo |
| 08:32.49 | nevcairiel | I wonder what some people think, or if they even think |
| 08:33.12 | nevcairiel | i mean, its not even funny :P |
| 08:34.18 | EriCKY | no one thinks |
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| 09:04.02 | Fisker- | btw nevcairiel |
| 09:04.03 | Fisker- | i am hitler |
| 09:04.11 | Fisker- | some guy on battle.net told me :o |
| 09:04.24 | Fisker- | And then he told my father was bred from a dog and hitler |
| 09:04.29 | Fisker- | and so i'm my own fathers father |
| 09:04.30 | Fisker- | :o |
| 09:05.11 | Fisker- | I guess that's what you get for winning a dota game :o |
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| 09:36.11 | krka | just like in futurama then Fisker- |
| 10:00.33 | Fisker- | The new Crysis game will be epic |
| 10:00.51 | Fisker- | They'll be using that new Securom variant which is hard to crack |
| 10:01.03 | Fisker- | i'll be laughing my ass off as they, AGAIN, see a lack in sales :P |
| 10:05.51 | foxlit | Theorem: a cat has nine tails. Proof: No cat has eight tails. A cat has one tail more than no cat. Therefore, a cat has nine tails. |
| 10:06.07 | foxlit | I wonder where /. pulls their quotes rom |
| 10:07.27 | Matrix110| | Fisker- not like the people that dont buy the game because of Copy Protection is that big :P |
| 10:07.33 | Matrix110| | *amount |
| 10:09.30 | Matrix110| | Its more like the people that have the PC able to play Crysis decently are basically the people that DL stuff aswell.... |
| 10:10.04 | foxlit | I see no reasoning to back any amount of correlation between hardware and piracy |
| 10:11.47 | Matrix110| | Iam 100% sure there is :P |
| 10:12.17 | foxlit | I weigh your opinion at with a staggering 0 coefficient. |
| 10:12.23 | Matrix110| | :D |
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| 10:19.26 | Fisker- | Matrix110| exactly |
| 10:19.29 | Fisker- | that's my point |
| 10:19.53 | Fisker- | but this time they can't QQ about their game being pirated when it doesn't sell well |
| 10:20.19 | Matrix110| | Its sad that it doesnt sell well because they make fail multiplatform games after Crysis Warhead |
| 10:20.20 | nevcairiel | A game would sell well if it was actually good |
| 10:20.27 | Matrix110| | Crysis IS good |
| 10:20.34 | nevcairiel | nah it gets boring |
| 10:20.51 | nevcairiel | and the hardware requirements are way too high for it to be good |
| 10:21.05 | Matrix110| | well thats valid |
| 10:21.12 | Matrix110| | but the Gameplay etc. is nice |
| 10:21.26 | Fisker- | not really |
| 10:21.31 | Fisker- | boring game ;_; |
| 10:21.45 | Matrix110| | best non war Shooter 2007 imho :P |
| 10:22.03 | nevcairiel | probably the only one |
| 10:22.08 | Matrix110| | no |
| 10:22.19 | nevcairiel | imho bioshock was more fun, was it 07 as well? |
| 10:22.20 | Matrix110| | but CoD4 was too good :P |
| 10:22.26 | Matrix110| | It was |
| 10:22.29 | Fisker- | bioshock was shitty too :P |
| 10:22.33 | Fisker- | But probably better than Crysis |
| 10:22.35 | foxlit | Crysis LOOKS good |
| 10:22.52 | Matrix110| | Bioshock was nice but I missed something... |
| 10:22.52 | Matrix110| | Story was nice atleast |
| 10:22.53 | foxlit | furthermore, _some_ of the gameplay is nice |
| 10:23.28 | foxlit | bioshock had a very odd difficulty curve |
| 10:23.32 | nevcairiel | CoD4 had nice gfx and good performance |
| 10:23.37 | nevcairiel | perfect match, imho |
| 10:23.46 | Matrix110| | CoD4 is top |
| 10:23.50 | foxlit | where it sort of went difficult-difficult-zomgstophittingmebaddaddysit-ooh, easy |
| 10:23.53 | Matrix110| | awesome SP |
| 10:23.57 | Matrix110| | nice MP aswell |
| 10:24.16 | foxlit | I think the easy stage coincided with acquisition of the bolt gun |
| 10:24.18 | nevcairiel | yeah foxlit, some scenes where really hard |
| 10:25.29 | foxlit | After that, incendiary bolts handle most humanoid crap, and trap bolts electrocute daddies before they can figure out what hit them |
| 10:25.42 | Matrix110| | CoD4 graphic looks good, although its not really good but that makes it run on worse systems better which is great |
| 10:25.56 | foxlit | CoD4 sounds like a game I'd never buy |
| 10:26.11 | Matrix110| | The SP is insanely good :P |
| 10:26.16 | foxlit | or, well, the entire cod series |
| 10:26.34 | nevcairiel | the SP was too short, though |
| 10:26.37 | nevcairiel | finished it in notime |
| 10:26.40 | Matrix110| | always |
| 10:26.48 | Matrix110| | CoD was never >10h |
| 10:27.17 | Matrix110| | And well almost no game is.... |
| 10:27.23 | Matrix110| | sadly |
| 10:28.12 | foxlit | hl2 |
| 10:28.19 | foxlit | although that's old by now |
| 10:28.33 | Matrix110| | Hl2 takes 7hrs |
| 10:28.36 | foxlit | "when... is it going... to end?" |
| 10:28.37 | nevcairiel | I still have Episode2 to play |
| 10:28.50 | Matrix110| | And the Episodes are ass short |
| 10:28.55 | Matrix110| | good though |
| 10:28.56 | foxlit | I don't know what you're doing |
| 10:29.03 | foxlit | but 7hrs for hl2 does not constitute "playing" |
| 10:29.28 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:29.32 | Matrix110| | Do you want me to count the bricks in each wall to play longer? |
| 10:30.24 | Matrix110| | And HL2 speedrun is less than 3hrs afaik, so I used plenty of time to play it :P |
| 10:31.36 | foxlit | Wonder if there's a page like http://www.steampowered.com/status/ep1/ for hl2 |
| 10:31.53 | foxlit | Anyhow, ep1 is short and "Average completion time: 5h 36m" |
| 10:32.04 | foxlit | hl2 should be several times that. |
| 10:33.09 | Matrix110| | http://www.steampowered.com/status/ep2/ep2_stats.php |
| 10:33.35 | foxlit | yeah, that's ep2 |
| 10:33.37 | foxlit | I want hl2 :) |
| 10:33.53 | foxlit | none of this episodic nonsense |
| 10:33.58 | frop | ScytheBlade1 aye...it's returned now ^^ |
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| 10:58.42 | Rabbitbunny | lua> a = 1; if (a == 1) or (a == 2) or (a == 3) then print(a) end |
| 10:58.42 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: 1 |
| 10:59.11 | Rabbitbunny | Anybody happen to know of a quicker way to compare a? I have ~30 non sequential numbers to go through. |
| 10:59.48 | foxlit | lua> t = {[1]=true, [2]=true, [3]=true}; a = 1; if t[a] then print(a); end |
| 10:59.48 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1 |
| 11:00.55 | Rabbitbunny | and if it finds a value of a there is no key for? |
| 11:02.02 | Rabbitbunny | heh, that was easy enough to test, Thanks. |
| 11:04.06 | foxlit | t["keythatdoesnotexist"] returns nil, which is roughly equivalent to false |
| 11:04.48 | Rabbitbunny | Yeah, just figured that out, luckily I'm does a if else so I don't need to test for nil. |
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| 11:07.11 | foxlit | wonder if they release l80etc songs somewhere |
| 11:07.42 | foxlit | Really don't want to pull audio from my recording |
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| 11:11.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow folder has one at least :P |
| 11:11.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 11:11.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | mpq |
| 11:11.54 | foxlit | Not the interesting one, unfortunately |
| 11:12.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | what are you looking for? |
| 11:12.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am murloc? |
| 11:12.39 | foxlit | Can get that in reasonable quality from their video |
| 11:12.54 | foxlit | Terran up the night :) |
| 11:13.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | was that blizzcon exclusive? |
| 11:13.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 11:13.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | wwi |
| 11:14.19 | foxlit | It was played at wwi, I doubt "exclusive" is the right term |
| 11:16.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | they probably haven't released a studio version |
| 11:18.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could check out http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/ and keep looking |
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| 11:47.00 | wereHamster | what's the best way to display a three-way option (on/off/inherit from parent) in the UI? Dropdown list? or two checkboxes? |
| 11:48.28 | foxlit | three-state checkbox |
| 11:49.00 | Kaso | there are three state checkboxes? |
| 11:49.01 | wereHamster | does such thing exist? |
| 11:49.33 | foxlit | You could make some :) |
| 11:50.32 | Kaso | i'd pick a slider with three settings myself if your gonna stick to default widgets |
| 11:50.45 | foxlit | slides are for, well, sliding things :) |
| 11:51.09 | foxlit | so: "size: small ---> large" should be a slider, a three-state distinct thing shouldn't |
| 11:51.29 | foxlit | Three radioboxes would do the trick as well, but it seem inelegant |
| 11:52.29 | Kaso | yah in a perfect world, but in this case we don't have what we want and i think a slider is a ok enough macgyver |
| 11:52.41 | wereHamster | it's not for wow (I'm using gtk+) |
| 11:52.55 | Kaso | oh |
| 11:53.02 | foxlit | no reason not to do it properly :) |
| 11:53.28 | wereHamster | gtk does have a third stat for checkboxes (called inconsistent), but there is no way to set it using the mouse. With the mouse you can only toggle it on or off |
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| 12:45.15 | Gnarfoz | wereHamster: steal three-state widgets from itemrack2 ;) |
| 12:51.01 | nevcairiel | imho two checkboxes, one on/off and one inherit, that greys the on/off out when ticked |
| 12:51.37 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: I doubt itemrack2 uses gtk |
| 12:51.53 | Gnarfoz | wut |
| 12:52.06 | Gnarfoz | why would it |
| 12:52.10 | wereHamster | 13:52 < wereHamster> it's not for wow (I'm using gtk+) |
| 12:52.11 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 12:52.13 | Gnarfoz | there |
| 12:52.15 | Gnarfoz | kk |
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| 13:12.17 | Bibi` | stupid question, how could I hide all the interface EXCEPT the playerframe ? |
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| 13:22.56 | wereHamster | EnumerateFrames() and call :Hide() on all except PlayerFrame |
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| 13:50.58 | cncfanatics | hello all :) |
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| 15:32.15 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: pong |
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| 15:36.50 | Shirik | ... damn, I didn't realize how expensive QNX was. I'm glad I qualify for a non-commercial license |
| 15:37.02 | Shirik | - NC "Non-Commercial" - free for download |
| 15:37.02 | Shirik | - SE "Standard Edition" - $4,295 US |
| 15:37.02 | Shirik | - PE "Professional Edition" - $8,695 US |
| 15:37.48 | Snago | QNX? |
| 15:37.58 | cncfanatics | what is QNX ? :o |
| 15:38.00 | Maldivia | is that still alive and kicking? |
| 15:38.00 | Shirik | real-time OS |
| 15:38.07 | cncfanatics | which means ? |
| 15:38.17 | Shirik | ~wiki RTOS |
| 15:38.35 | nevcairiel | Are-Toss? |
| 15:38.36 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 15:38.52 | Shirik | "An RTOS facilitates the creation of a real-time system, but does not guarantee the final result will be real-time; this requires correct development of the software. An RTOS does not necessarily have high throughput; rather, an RTOS provides facilities which, if used properly, guarantee deadlines can be met generally (soft real-time) or deterministically (hard real-time). An RTOS will typically use specialized scheduling algorithms in orde |
| 15:39.27 | Shirik | It's a special-purpose OS that guarantees certain behaviors |
| 15:40.01 | cncfanatics | what do you use it for ? |
| 15:40.01 | Maldivia | is it still using its neutrino kernel ? |
| 15:40.02 | Shirik | such as if I have three threads at a certain priority, I will always know which one will run. Unlike Windows, where even a high priority thread may be preempted |
| 15:40.06 | Shirik | Yes Maldivia |
| 15:40.14 | Shirik | cncfanatics: For our robot |
| 15:40.23 | cncfanatics | "our robot" ? |
| 15:40.29 | nevcairiel | we're working with DOS and RTKernel at the university :P |
| 15:40.38 | Shirik | annual competition at our school |
| 15:40.50 | Shirik | IEEE Southeastcon competition |
| 15:41.04 | Shirik | we came in 4th last year, out of 43 or so |
| 15:41.37 | nevcairiel | i have some real-time app assignment over the summer vacations |
| 15:41.48 | nevcairiel | in stupid pascal :( |
| 15:42.00 | Shirik | I also teach a lab that uses VxWorks, but I can't get that for free, and I know that's expensive :( |
| 15:42.12 | cncfanatics | you can get it for free :p |
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| 16:04.47 | Shirik | wtf just happened |
| 16:04.51 | Shirik | I join another irc server and get kicked off this one :( |
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| 16:05.37 | Shirik | ok, this client fails. "Shirik" is in use on that server |
| 16:05.39 | Shirik | so it does a /ns ghost |
| 16:05.41 | Shirik | on this server... |
| 16:05.50 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 16:07.17 | Shirik | oh wow.... |
| 16:07.22 | Shirik | apparently they're the same server |
| 16:07.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:08.03 | nevcairiel | man you fail |
| 16:08.15 | Shirik | how was I supposed to know irc.openqnx.com == irc.freenode.net .... |
| 16:08.58 | cncfanatics | roflmao |
| 16:10.10 | foxlit | Shirik: motd |
| 16:10.23 | Shirik | I suppress the motd :P |
| 16:10.36 | foxlit | man you fail |
| 16:10.44 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:13.21 | foxlit | "hen it goes through, if anyone in your household has been determined to be file-sharing by your Internet Service Provider (ISP) three times, they'll blacklist your IP for life!" |
| 16:13.28 | foxlit | s/"/"W/ |
| 16:13.44 | foxlit | shrill political analysis from wowinsider! |
| 16:15.45 | foxlit | I so look forwards to the comments there :) |
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| 16:26.32 | listgroup | Cairenn|afk, I'm breaking my account. I may have to bug you to fix my cloak >< |
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| 16:44.37 | Kirkburn|afk | UI devs: Notepad++ v5 is out :) |
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| 16:48.04 | Snago | ohhh... |
| 16:51.36 | Fisker- | is it awesome? |
| 16:51.44 | Fisker- | can i open large files now? :P |
| 16:52.36 | Snago | Meh. My v4.9.2 says there's no update available :\ |
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| 16:53.05 | Kirkburn|afk | It's literally only just been released, you'll need to go to the website |
| 16:53.18 | |pez | my server is sometimes horribly stable. *points at |pez|* |
| 16:53.24 | nevcairiel | auto-update is, by design, a week behind |
| 16:53.39 | nevcairiel | Kirkburn|afk: anythign good? |
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| 16:54.08 | Fisker- | ( |
| 16:54.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Changelog: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=647457 |
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| 16:54.11 | |pez | oops |
| 16:54.17 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:54.33 | nevcairiel | you know whats really killing npp performance |
| 16:54.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Fisker is? |
| 16:54.45 | nevcairiel | that select-word-and-it-highlights-all-of-those |
| 16:54.57 | nevcairiel | especially when i open a 100mb combatlog |
| 16:54.58 | Kirkburn|afk | ah :P |
| 16:55.00 | nevcairiel | it kills the app :P |
| 16:55.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Surely you can turn it off? |
| 16:55.38 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 16:55.41 | nevcairiel | but the feature is nice |
| 16:55.53 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 16:56.01 | nevcairiel | It cant take that long to just load the full file into memory |
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| 18:25.25 | Fisker- | itsa me |
| 18:25.25 | Fisker- | mario |
| 18:25.54 | Fisker- | i need something to do Kaso :( |
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| 18:26.23 | Fisker- | also oh u Shirik |
| 18:26.31 | Kaso | umm? |
| 18:26.52 | Shirik | i |
| 18:26.55 | Shirik | hi |
| 18:27.03 | Kaso | Make a train |
| 18:27.20 | Fisker- | i can't |
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| 18:27.38 | Fisker- | my only profiencies are trolling and obvious trolling |
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| 18:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you're several hours too late, but thanks anyway |
| 18:55.15 | Shirik | :( |
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| 19:00.40 | MrDuck | pewpew, Karathress+Leotheras down :P |
| 19:01.30 | MrDuck | oh,wrong chan :P |
| 19:04.49 | Stanzilla | gz |
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| 19:13.56 | MrDuck | ty :P |
| 19:28.02 | Tuller | boats! |
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| 20:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: ping |
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| 20:55.54 | DMTM | hello |
| 20:56.05 | DMTM | can someone made a script here for world of warcraft? |
| 20:57.28 | |pez | look at... the channel name :D |
| 20:57.38 | Corrodias | a script, eh? |
| 20:57.53 | |pez | oh, wait |
| 20:58.07 | |pez | the bad grammar put me off, you're wanting someone to make you addon? |
| 20:58.18 | Matrix110| | We only write Keyloggers to steal your Passwords sorry |
| 20:59.27 | Fisker- | how can you get passwords with a keylogger? |
| 20:59.30 | Fisker- | can't you only get keys? |
| 20:59.31 | Fisker- | LOLOLOL |
| 21:00.38 | Fisker- | i am probably some kind of comedical mastermind |
| 21:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: win |
| 21:02.42 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 21:02.53 | Corrodias | when you wish upon a star, your dreams will take you very far (yeah) |
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| 21:05.17 | DMTM_ | does is excist any mod for agility? |
| 21:05.40 | Corrodias | well, that's one i haven't heard before |
| 21:08.15 | Nechckn | what do you mean DMTM? there are some that take account of the effect that new gear, and it's stats, will have on your character |
| 21:08.20 | Nechckn | like RatingBuster |
| 21:08.41 | Nechckn | most use it along with EquipCompare or something similar |
| 21:08.57 | Nechckn | s/it's/its |
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| 21:18.43 | Corrodias | well, that got nowhere fast |
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| 21:46.34 | Shirik | any gcc wizards: is -O2 or -O3 unstable? I'm having trouble getting some code to work beyond -O1 for some reason |
| 21:46.49 | nevcairiel | -O2 is stable |
| 21:46.53 | nevcairiel | not sure about -O3 |
| 21:46.57 | nevcairiel | but should be |
| 21:52.16 | durcyn | both should be fine, but depending on arch you're often better off with -Os |
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| 21:59.14 | Shirik | it's really strange |
| 21:59.35 | Shirik | at -O2 and -O3 I get EAGAIN from ThreadCreate() which says "All kernel thread objects are in use" |
| 22:01.28 | nevcairiel | it really shouldnt influence that o.O |
| 22:03.17 | wereHamster | you have a bug some other place, try running it under valgrind or such |
| 22:03.44 | wereHamster | or you hit a compiler bug |
| 22:03.58 | Shirik | I doubt valgrind will compile for this OS |
| 22:04.35 | wereHamster | if your OS doesn't have a valgrind-like tool, it's useless for developers ;) |
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| 22:16.06 | frop | hello |
| 22:16.10 | frop | anyone using EPGP? |
| 22:16.31 | frop | there's a way to keep track of points awarded and decay? |
| 22:16.46 | frop | cause i think my officers are bugging me |
| 22:16.56 | frop | or at least some of them |
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| 22:23.53 | Ackis | ~api UnitName |
| 22:23.54 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitName |
| 22:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ~literal api |
| 22:26.07 | purl | "api" is "(Application Programming Interface) APIs allow you to program to a pre-constructed interface (the API) instead of programming a device or piece of software directly. This allows for faster development, since programming to a device's API is designed to be easier than programming to a device directly. APIs allow you to program without having intimate knowledge of the device or software that you a" |
| 22:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that's useless to me. |
| 22:27.32 | Ackis | just wanted to see if UnitName("focus" or "target" or "player") would work |
| 22:29.54 | wereHamster | Ackis: no |
| 22:30.14 | wereHamster | "focus" or "target" or "player" will always return "focus" |
| 22:30.28 | Ackis | aye, was trying to save space in a macro |
| 22:31.07 | Ackis | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90795 |
| 22:31.12 | wereHamster | save space? try local u=UnitName; if u"focus" or u"target" then .. |
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| 22:34.51 | Hexarobi | is there a way for an addon to send a message to everyone else on the server with that addon? |
| 22:35.17 | Corrodias | yes, but it needs to join its own channel for that |
| 22:35.21 | Corrodias | i think |
| 22:36.52 | Hexarobi | ive tried JoinCHannelByName but it doesnt seem to join anything |
| 22:38.02 | frop | Apoco? you here? |
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| 22:39.50 | Mike-N-Go | Where is the documentation for how to have an addon use the blizzard interface menu GUI? |
| 22:40.48 | wereHamster | Hexarobi: you haven't tried hard enough ;) |
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| 23:00.29 | Ackis | and it looks like /cast spell:#### doesn't work as well |
| 23:03.31 | Gnarfoz | that's been requested, there's just /use item:#### though |
| 23:03.44 | Gnarfoz | also, lol |
| 23:04.26 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: can't use item:xxxx if it's just a spell (Misdirection) |
| 23:04.34 | Ackis | I'm trying to get around the 255 char limit =/ |
| 23:04.43 | Gnarfoz | supermacro |
| 23:05.38 | Ackis | i used to use that but had issues (this was back pre-BC) |
| 23:09.02 | Ackis | new super sexy MD macro: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90803 heh |
| 23:09.52 | Shirik | why focus? |
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| 23:10.19 | Gnarfoz | so you can do it again 2 mins later |
| 23:10.38 | Shirik | doesn't really make much of a difference when you hard code the name into the macro... |
| 23:10.43 | Ackis | focus was so that you only have to edit your MD target in once opposed to 2/3 different places |
| 23:10.43 | cladhaire | !ego 24 |
| 23:10.51 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:10.55 | Shirik | that I can understand |
| 23:14.33 | Ackis | the nature of a hunter is to be lazy ;) |
| 23:15.06 | frop | still boring setting focus :P |
| 23:15.30 | frop | just use variuos macros... |
| 23:15.43 | frop | ...every tank get its own :) |
| 23:16.15 | Ackis | I kinda have a goal to get as much as I can out of a specific macro |
| 23:16.18 | foxlit | "You are now being misdirected" |
| 23:16.38 | foxlit | So the path to the library is NOT via the next right turn? |
| 23:16.54 | foxlit | I feel so misdirected :( |
| 23:17.02 | Shirik | good |
| 23:17.20 | frop | and he's an healer i bet |
| 23:17.26 | frop | clothie.... |
| 23:18.04 | foxlit | moo? who? |
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| 23:23.22 | foxlit | I wonder |
| 23:23.32 | foxlit | The blizzard token is billed as generating one-time passwords |
| 23:23.39 | foxlit | That doesn't seem right |
| 23:23.51 | Ackis | foxlit: are you familiar w/ RSA keyfobs? |
| 23:24.06 | foxlit | On some level |
| 23:24.26 | foxlit | I'd imagine the generated hash is time-based, though |
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| 23:24.39 | Ackis | I'm thinking they're similar, but 10000000x worse |
| 23:24.47 | Shirik | why would you say they're worse? |
| 23:24.56 | foxlit | So you might have a minute or so to log in before the number changes |
| 23:25.11 | foxlit | The only way to truly make it one-time would be to block subsequent attempts with the same number |
| 23:25.13 | Shirik | foxlit: the server should accept a bracket of numbers |
| 23:25.14 | Ackis | RSA keyfob's are around $50 each for a secure alternative, blizzard is offering it for $6.50... |
| 23:25.31 | Shirik | Ackis: It's not a complex piece of equipment |
| 23:25.40 | Shirik | anyone can do it... |
| 23:25.53 | Shirik | I could probably make one for about $0.20 |
| 23:25.53 | Ackis | neither are RSA keyfobs, it's just a random number generator based off of a pre-defined sequence |
| 23:26.02 | Shirik | there's nothing random about it |
| 23:26.05 | foxlit | (not random) |
| 23:26.10 | Ackis | it's the sequence that makes it secure... I'm wondering how long til the blizzard one is broken |
| 23:26.20 | Shirik | there isn't any one sequence |
| 23:26.28 | Shirik | each dongle gets its own AES key |
| 23:26.30 | Shirik | that's it |
| 23:26.38 | foxlit | (AES, ew?) |
| 23:26.50 | zespri | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.55 | zespri | SecurId does that |
| 23:26.57 | Shirik | that's what SecurID uses too, foxlit :) |
| 23:26.59 | Ackis | Shirik: my concern is about the implementation of it, which I think will be flawed |
| 23:27.10 | Shirik | Ackis, I think you have no justification for that statement |
| 23:27.12 | foxlit | So what happens if your log-in is borked and you need to log-in again within 5 seconds? |
| 23:27.33 | foxlit | I'm sure they could save a few $ by not making them as tamper proof as some of the industrial ones |
| 23:27.36 | Ackis | Shirik: closed source = justification enough for the security community |
| 23:27.38 | Shirik | there's no reason to block subsequent attempts with the same number |
| 23:27.56 | Ackis | I still think it's a step in the right direction however |
| 23:27.58 | Ackis | :P |
| 23:27.58 | foxlit | Shirik: Then it's not a one-time password |
| 23:27.58 | Shirik | unless someone is monitoring you as you log in |
| 23:28.14 | Shirik | ok, maybe one-time was a bit over the top; it's a marketing thing |
| 23:28.25 | Shirik | if it changes every minute or so, I think it's justified to call that "one-time" |
| 23:28.29 | foxlit | I'm wondering if there's a proper, technical description (rather than "here, read this, feel all warm inside" one) around somewhere. |
| 23:28.33 | zespri | Do you know that SecureID is closed source, still lots of serious companies use it? =) |
| 23:28.47 | Shirik | Ackis: the government uses SecurID all over the place; my mom has one |
| 23:28.49 | Ackis | algorithm has been tested |
| 23:28.59 | Ackis | Shirik: I'm gov't and I have one too |
| 23:28.59 | Ackis | :P |
| 23:29.01 | Shirik | yes.... and it's a known algorithm |
| 23:29.11 | Shirik | what convinces you that Blizzard wouldn't use the same algorithm |
| 23:29.26 | Shirik | why on earth would they spend money creating their own algorithm when there's already a tested, proven, free algorithm available |
| 23:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: there's a free, RFC-defined unpatented algorithm out there that many companies use (that isn't RSA SecurID) |
| 23:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | google OTAH |
| 23:29.34 | ScytheBlade1 | *OATH |
| 23:29.43 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: I'm not interested in the algorithm. |
| 23:29.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh :) |
| 23:30.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Well if you're curious just the same, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mraihi-oath-hmac-otp-04 |
| 23:30.17 | foxlit | It's more blizzard's implementation that's interesting |
| 23:30.27 | foxlit | They seem to use terms that conflict with my idea of how it would work |
| 23:30.33 | Ackis | Shirik: past experience :P I said it's a step in the right direction, I'm just worried about how they've implemented it |
| 23:30.57 | Shirik | And so I repeat, you have no justification for your argument |
| 23:31.10 | Shirik | except "I can't see it, so it must be wrong" |
| 23:31.19 | foxlit | If you have to be worried about something |
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| 23:31.32 | foxlit | Worry about whichever chinese manufacturing service they use selling keys :) |
| 23:32.21 | Ackis | Shirik: the price range for the token, closed source, the fact that 90% of problems occur because of implementations of tried and tested algorithms, that this hasn't been done in a video game, etc |
| 23:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: link to the fact that the blizz authenticator is AES? |
| 23:33.43 | Shirik | (1) Blizzard has tons of money already. I doubt they're getting a profit off these things (aside from reducing labor of already-paid employees). (2) Everything Blizzard does is closed source. Do you worry about their challenge-auth system? (3) That's because 90% of things are already implemented. (4) Everything has to be done first at some point in time |
| 23:34.02 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I was actually referring to the SecurID tokens |
| 23:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: the RFC I linked is an interesting read. It's another way of doing things |
| 23:35.16 | Ackis | Shirik: your 3rd point is wrong :P, and when things are done for the first time there are issues... because this is new, who knows, you can get your hands on a token and reverse engineer the algorithm to generate your own keys on demand :P |
| 23:35.33 | Shirik | there is zero reason for SecurID tokens to be $50 aside from the fact that it's by RSA |
| 23:35.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ qft |
| 23:35.47 | ScytheBlade1 | They have the patent, they make the rules |
| 23:35.50 | Shirik | you can buy a microcontroller for a couple of pennies, and an LCD controller for a cent |
| 23:36.06 | Shirik | the most expensive part is honestly probably the plastic |
| 23:37.21 | Shirik | I question your challenge of Blizzard's competency in cryptology when you fail to mention that nobody has broken Blizzard's authentication system yet |
| 23:37.24 | Ackis | Shirik: I would assume there's actually a decent amount of design that goes into them... one of the biggest problems with the previous version was static electriciy frying them lol |
| 23:38.14 | Ackis | anyways, back to macro mucking around :P |
| 23:38.15 | Shirik | Ackis, I hope you realize that I'm a computer engineer, and I have designed a bunch of small electronic devices already. I know the price points, and I know their stability. |
| 23:38.21 | Shirik | I maintain my point |
| 23:38.52 | Ackis | Shirik: I'm a CISSP, I maintain my point about watching it from afar, hoping it works but being cynical :P |
| 23:39.36 | Shirik | Being cynical is ok if it had a justification |
| 23:39.52 | Ackis | have you heard of the term snake oil before? |
| 23:40.20 | Shirik | no, but wikipedia says it is a traditional chinese medicine to treat joint pain |
| 23:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:40.25 | Ackis | rofl |
| 23:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 23:40.46 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:41.11 | Shirik | "In cryptography, snake oil is a term used to describe commercial cryptographic methods and products which are considered bogus or fraudulent. " |
| 23:41.28 | Ackis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptography) |
| 23:41.33 | Ackis | lol |
| 23:41.36 | foxlit | I don't think you've had to look that up |
| 23:42.41 | Shirik | And while I understand the claims of security through obscurity, just because you have protections beyond that doesn't mean you shouldn't still obscure your system |
| 23:43.40 | Shirik | I point to wowinterface's security. Certain measures have been implemented to check files at download-time to verify their authenticity. We won't say what they are, but they're there. (We also have a few public methods as well.) Is that security through obscurity? Yes, but it's more than that as well |
| 23:44.08 | Shirik | neither am I |
| 23:44.27 | Shirik | I'm very distractable |
| 23:45.46 | Ackis | here's another thing to distract you: in macros can you determine if something is CCed? aka a conditional? Not finding anything that states I can |
| 23:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 23:45.57 | Shirik | nope |
| 23:46.01 | Shirik | well you can, but you can't act on it |
| 23:46.31 | Ackis | I've almost killed myself a few times w/ my renew/SW:P macro when I have a shackle target highlighted |
| 23:46.35 | zespri | in Recount, is it possible to save stats after a fight for a later review and then reset for the next fight? |
| 23:49.48 | Shirik | this bug is so annoying... |
| 23:49.56 | Shirik | at -O2 and -O3 I can't create new threads :( |
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| 23:55.07 | Ackis | and I think I just fixed my macro /sex |
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| 23:56.54 | Gnarfoz | why is wall-e not at the movies here, yet? O_O |
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