| 00:06.41 | ckknight | Kirov: yep, looks nice |
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| 00:10.50 | Kirov | A computer science student is studying under a tree and another pulls up on a flashy new bike. The first student asks, "Where'd you get that?" |
| 00:10.50 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.50 | Kirov | The student on the bike replies, "While I was studying outside, a beautiful girl pulled up on her bike. She took off all her clothes and said, 'You can have anything you want'." |
| 00:10.50 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.51 | Kirov | The first student responds, "Good choice! Her clothes probably wouldn't have fit you." |
| 00:11.38 | Dashkal | And we wonder why there aren't enough geeks around.... |
| 00:13.27 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 00:21.39 | Lunessa | ... |
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| 00:35.43 | Tekkub | stupid fucking comcast |
| 00:36.00 | Tekkub | "Lets make our login page clear the user/pass if it's autoentered by comcast |
| 00:36.39 | Tekkub | we want our customers to have to enter their password every fucking time... don't let THEM choose how secure they want their password to (not) be |
| 00:40.41 | Lunessa | Tekkub: How the hell often do you login to the comcast site? I've done it all of twice. |
| 00:41.31 | Tekkub | once a month... one would think they wouldn't want to hamper my ability to GIVE THEM MONEY |
| 00:42.35 | Tekkub | just proves what retards they really are.. and an internet company to boot... |
| 00:42.37 | Tekkub | autocomplete=off |
| 00:42.41 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Ah. Yes, they are sort of stupid that way. |
| 00:42.44 | Tekkub | there, FF won't ever save passwords |
| 00:43.15 | Tekkub | I'd rip apart their shit and make a greasemonkey script to fix it... but as you say I only go there once a mont |
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| 00:45.43 | Tekkub | haha, disabling javascript completely breaks their page |
| 00:46.13 | Lunessa | I'm strange. If I can't pay you from my computer at home, or by swiping my card - I don't buy your products. If I have to put a check in the mail, forget it. |
| 00:46.40 | Tekkub | Lunessa, yup, same here... except for my retarded electric company |
| 00:46.55 | Tekkub | WE CAN'T VERIFY YOUR IDENTITY YOU CAN'T PAY ONLINE! |
| 00:46.56 | Lunessa | I use a company I can pay online. |
| 00:47.36 | Tekkub | Yes, I stole this guy's checkbook, I think I'll PAY MY ELECTIRC BILL! They'll never tace that back to where I live! |
| 00:47.38 | Dashkal | Wish I could pay my rent online instead of cheques... but everything else works at least |
| 00:48.19 | Lunessa | I can pay my rent online, sort of. |
| 00:49.22 | Tekkub | billpay doesn't count :P |
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| 00:54.36 | Lunessa | Tekkub: No, they have my CC on file and I e-mail them to authorize payement. |
| 00:55.03 | Tekkub | ah |
| 00:55.12 | Tekkub | well my elec company are retards |
| 00:55.20 | Tekkub | after I couldn't pay online I mailed a check... |
| 00:55.52 | Tekkub | $125.60 ... written on the check twice, printed on the payment stub and written again there... |
| 00:56.01 | Shirik | So I have 10291 mp5 |
| 00:56.01 | Tekkub | they change it into an electronic transaction... |
| 00:56.07 | Tekkub | clears thru for $25 |
| 00:56.31 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Sounds like they do electronic check transactions and someone goofed. |
| 00:56.46 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: while innervated doesnt count |
| 00:56.54 | Shirik | yes it does! |
| 00:57.00 | Tekkub | exactly... but there's no excuse for it |
| 00:57.10 | Tekkub | considering it was in there 4 times |
| 00:57.12 | Lunessa | .. / agree |
| 00:58.22 | Shirik | holy manas batman: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d4bd35d2ca39f47bd5edaa8f8ee7e18e.jpg |
| 00:59.18 | Dashkal | mana regen, cool. UI... my eyes, how they bleed |
| 00:59.31 | Shirik | my UI is not meant to look pretty |
| 00:59.33 | Shirik | it never has |
| 00:59.40 | Shirik | it's meant to get me the information I need immediately. And I have all of it |
| 00:59.53 | Dashkal | that would be what's important |
| 00:59.57 | Lunessa | Shirik: UI... so... ugly... must... not... pass ... out... |
| 01:00.10 | Shirik | my UI has always been ugly Lunessa, I'm sure you've seen it before |
| 01:00.12 | Dashkal | but yeah... ewww |
| 01:00.17 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it /can/ be both |
| 01:00.26 | Shirik | yes, but I'm too lazy to make it pretty |
| 01:01.00 | Lunessa | Shirik: You sure you're not seeing a display bug? Sometimes the Character Sheet shows a raw value which isn't translated to the real number yet. |
| 01:01.10 | Tekkub | mine's ugly too... installed some fancy texure UI the other day to test a bug report... |
| 01:01.12 | Shirik | oh no, I know that's the correct number |
| 01:01.26 | Tekkub | thought "wow, this is preety... and all that fancy shit's wasting resources |
| 01:01.33 | Lunessa | You has more MP5 than I do. |
| 01:01.35 | Shirik | look closely at my buffs and you'll realize why :) |
| 01:01.36 | Stanzilla | I'd love to see Tekkub's ui :P |
| 01:01.42 | Tekkub | I should find a nice texture to wrap my UI in... |
| 01:01.49 | Shirik | but I do have 837 spirit raid buffed |
| 01:01.53 | Lunessa | Oh hell, you have more gear than I do, and raid more content than I do. |
| 01:01.59 | Tekkub | Stanzilla, it's very minimal... |
| 01:02.07 | Stanzilla | thought so! |
| 01:02.15 | Tekkub | chatframes on the bottom, on actionbar left horiz, one vert right |
| 01:02.18 | Shirik | but I have innervate and jaina proudmoore's aura |
| 01:02.33 | Shirik | the aura doubles spirit, and innervate does 400% spirit regen |
| 01:02.39 | Tekkub | player/target/pet/focus in the middle bottom, agUF with the watchdogish skin |
| 01:03.04 | Tekkub | oh and a few lil legos in the corner |
| 01:03.06 | Shirik | but I should point out I DO have 1111 mp5 normally :) |
| 01:03.57 | Lunessa | http://theroundtable.wowstead.com/gallery/6 - mine. Click thumbnail to see it full size. |
| 01:04.22 | Stanzilla | Hal mod :) |
| 01:05.18 | Tekkub | anyone got some nice simple UI textures I could slap on? |
| 01:05.22 | Tekkub | decals make it faster |
| 01:07.32 | Lunessa | Hal's Pitbull layout is teh sex. So I just tweak the rest to suit me. |
| 01:07.58 | |Jelly| | xparky <3 |
| 01:08.11 | Stanzilla | http://www.staneck.de/upload/files/250300-WoWScrnShot_060908_214324.jpg < mine |
| 01:08.16 | Tekkub | Need something with fur for my chat box :) |
| 01:08.18 | Stanzilla | excuse the blizz raidframes^^ |
| 01:08.20 | JoshBorke | Tekkub: wtf are you doing using legos? :-P |
| 01:08.20 | Shirik | so yeah |
| 01:08.27 | Shirik | I just had that same person innervate me during the anetheron fight |
| 01:08.29 | Tekkub | Josh, not "actual" legos |
| 01:08.34 | JoshBorke | whew |
| 01:08.35 | JoshBorke | thank god |
| 01:08.37 | Shirik | one tick, full mana |
| 01:08.38 | Shirik | that's so not fair |
| 01:08.42 | JoshBorke | legos are an abomination |
| 01:08.56 | JoshBorke | whoever wrote them was an idiot |
| 01:09.57 | Sixen | ~seen duman |
| 01:09.59 | purl | duman is currently on #wowuidev (1d 7h 57m 17s), last said: 'or ipfw might do it'. |
| 01:10.05 | Tekkub | I need a bear druid themed texture :) |
| 01:10.21 | Lunessa | I've since turned off the lego block. |
| 01:10.52 | Lunessa | Stanzilla: That does not suck. |
| 01:11.01 | Lunessa | You have a wider screen than I. |
| 01:11.08 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
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| 01:16.05 | |Jelly| | I think it's cute how many of the UI people use Hal/Caith/Tapestry UIs. :P I honestly thought more would make their own. |
| 01:16.21 | Tekkub | thewhonow? |
| 01:16.42 | Lunessa | I'm too damned lazy, though I'm planing an overhaul already. |
| 01:16.44 | Stanzilla | funny thing is..mine looked like that before I've seen caith's ui |
| 01:16.52 | Stanzilla | i mean..very similar |
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| 01:17.09 | Legorol | <- uses stock UI for anything that the stock UI already supports |
| 01:17.10 | |Jelly| | I was about to say ... |
| 01:17.33 | Legorol | My AddOns are all extra information type things, like threatmeters, recipes, bank contents, auctioneer, whatnot |
| 01:17.44 | Guillotine | and highroller |
| 01:17.46 | Guillotine | of course |
| 01:17.46 | Legorol | I don't mod my action bars, unit frames etc. |
| 01:17.52 | Legorol | oh yeah of course |
| 01:18.02 | |Jelly| | Legorol: Congrats? |
| 01:18.05 | Stanzilla | I can't play with stock action bars |
| 01:18.10 | Stanzilla | the rest is ok |
| 01:18.16 | Legorol | are you a clicker? |
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| 01:18.21 | Stanzilla | no |
| 01:18.27 | Legorol | because if you are a keybinder, it surely is totally irrelevant |
| 01:18.44 | Legorol | the idea of binding keys is that you don't have to look at your action buttons.. so does it matter where they are? |
| 01:18.52 | Guillotine | I do the same as Legorol. Default UI except informational things |
| 01:18.59 | Guillotine | and stuff like ClosetGnome |
| 01:19.05 | JoshBorke | Legorol: i believe the idea is that by not using the stock buttons you can free up that space |
| 01:19.15 | Stanzilla | I have custom paging and stuff like that..and I click but not my main spells |
| 01:19.41 | Legorol | well, luckily, this whole UI business is about "to each their own" |
| 01:19.46 | Legorol | so we all live happily ever after :) |
| 01:19.53 | JoshBorke | speak for yourself |
| 01:19.56 | JoshBorke | i'm never happy |
| 01:19.56 | Stanzilla | right :) |
| 01:19.57 | JoshBorke | hrmph |
| 01:20.10 | Legorol | JoshBorke: will you be unhappy if i try to make you happy? |
| 01:20.16 | Legorol | and does it make you happy if i don't? |
| 01:20.17 | JoshBorke | even more so! |
| 01:20.29 | JoshBorke | ok, now i'm happy |
| 01:20.32 | JoshBorke | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.34 | Legorol | simpleton! |
| 01:20.41 | JoshBorke | oh come on |
| 01:20.50 | JoshBorke | it's the small things in life that make it worth getting up every day |
| 01:21.02 | JoshBorke | i celebrate the simple things so that the big things are even better |
| 01:21.21 | Lunessa | Some days, I wonder why I bothered chewing through my restraints... |
| 01:21.31 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 01:21.52 | JoshBorke | why do you bother letting them put them back? |
| 01:22.33 | Cairenn | because they're fun? |
| 01:22.41 | JoshBorke | kinky |
| 01:24.22 | Cairenn | better if they're smooth |
| 01:24.32 | Lunessa | Cairenn: <3 |
| 01:25.28 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:26.43 | Shirik | Lunessa, what server do you play on again? |
| 01:26.51 | Lunessa | Kirin Tor |
| 01:27.02 | Shirik | I haven't said hi in a really long time :( |
| 01:27.23 | Lunessa | Meh, I hardly ever seem to have time to play when anyone is on. |
| 01:27.55 | Lunessa | I work 1-10:30 PM GMT -6 and then have a 1-hour commute each way. |
| 01:28.07 | Shirik | ouch |
| 01:30.01 | Tekkub | http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8160/wildwv8.jpg |
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| 01:30.03 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 01:30.05 | Lunessa | And we're short-handed right now, so I'm working another 9-hour shift on on of my days off. |
| 01:30.15 | Tekkub | I like that, just nix the wings and go for fur instead |
| 01:31.18 | Lunessa | it is kind of neat, but... mmmm.. not to my personal taste. |
| 01:32.58 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-cat-realizes-where-the-thermometer-goes.jpg |
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| 01:34.24 | Legorol | Does anyone remember roughly in which patch did they make spell casting require a hardware event? |
| 01:34.30 | Legorol | This is a looong long time ago, in vanilla WoW |
| 01:36.25 | Thunder_Child | i always love people that profess to go minimalist then use 3d adnimated char frames |
| 01:36.34 | Thunder_Child | animated* |
| 01:37.11 | Tekkub | I never understood the want for 3d models |
| 01:37.32 | Thunder_Child | neither do i, but thats besides the point |
| 01:38.06 | Lunessa | They look cool? |
| 01:38.26 | JoshBorke | holy shit! |
| 01:38.29 | Tekkub | I'm not easily swayed by "looks cool" |
| 01:38.33 | Thunder_Child | but you never look there for your target |
| 01:38.47 | JoshBorke | i finally used my gigabit connection |
| 01:38.55 | JoshBorke | 151 MB in 2 seconds |
| 01:39.02 | Thunder_Child | unlike many UI things thats eye candy only |
| 01:43.35 | Sixen | lol@lune |
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| 01:44.43 | Thunder_Child | "The Internets key oversight agency relaxed rules Thursday to permit the introduction of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of new Internet domain names to join .com, " |
| 01:44.57 | Tekkub | meh, fuck textures |
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| 01:48.00 | Arrowmaster | i forsee bad things happening when non registars start acting like registars |
| 01:48.13 | Arrowmaster | since they wont have the protection of being a registar |
| 01:49.11 | Shirik | are you kidding me Thunder_Child |
| 01:49.25 | Arrowmaster | you didnt already see that? |
| 01:49.28 | Shirik | no |
| 01:50.31 | Arrowmaster | i wonder how much some douch is going to by .onion for |
| 01:50.57 | Thunder_Child | they should mandate all port sites have to be at ".sex" or somesuch |
| 01:51.00 | Thunder_Child | porn* |
| 01:51.12 | Arrowmaster | they arent making new official tlds |
| 01:51.20 | Arrowmaster | theyre selling new tlds to the highest bidder |
| 01:52.39 | Shirik | .sex? |
| 01:53.00 | Arrowmaster | like ebay has already expresed an intrest to purchase .ebay |
| 01:53.19 | Thunder_Child | better then accedently going to whitehouse.com and seeing porn |
| 01:53.31 | Thunder_Child | like so many school children do |
| 01:53.36 | Shirik | this is so going to be a huge problem |
| 01:53.40 | Shirik | I can't see how this will be beneficial at all |
| 01:53.45 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 01:53.48 | Shirik | there needs to be a standard TLD |
| 01:53.57 | Arrowmaster | and now im going to have to change chatters UrlCopy |
| 01:56.00 | Shirik | Horde first! http://images.gammatester.com/pics/27e30a3ed4464102e967aa95620f88cb.jpg (See guild chat) |
| 01:56.22 | Shirik | stupid mod >.> |
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| 01:56.52 | Arrowmaster | i thought it ignored those npcs |
| 01:57.03 | Shirik | apparently it doesn't ignore thrall, lol |
| 01:59.05 | Lunessa | You killed Thrall! You bastards! |
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| 02:01.49 | durcyn | i thought the new TLDs required something absurd like $100,000 to register |
| 02:02.47 | ckknight | $10k |
| 02:05.32 | NightHawkTheSane | .. is there some kind of secret paladin disease that makes them utterly incapable of buffing properly in a raid? |
| 02:06.11 | Corrodias | being a paladin. |
| 02:06.33 | Corrodias | actually, their buffs are somewhat a huge pain in the ass |
| 02:06.45 | Corrodias | it's nearly mandatory that they have a whispercast addon |
| 02:07.00 | NightHawkTheSane | pally power actually makes it idiotically easy |
| 02:07.05 | Corrodias | and another addon for coordinating the main buffs like pally power |
| 02:08.20 | NightHawkTheSane | im not even talking about complex stuff here |
| 02:08.27 | NightHawkTheSane | 3 feral druids, 1 balance druid in the raid. |
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| 02:08.51 | NightHawkTheSane | took them an hour to figure out that the feral druids really didn't want kings/wis/might, or kings/wis/salv |
| 02:10.13 | Corrodias | hmm. seems pretty straightforward. |
| 02:10.17 | Corrodias | unless you like powershifting |
| 02:11.55 | Lunessa | Reading my realm forum feels like swimming in sewage. |
| 02:13.26 | NightHawkTheSane | s/my realm forum/any official wow forum/ |
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| 02:17.04 | Lunessa | s/my realm forum/ the internet |
| 02:19.18 | NightHawkTheSane | touché, salesman |
| 02:26.26 | Lunessa | The website is down |
| 02:26.30 | Lunessa | :P |
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| 02:34.25 | DARKGuy | Hm, to what do you guys listen when doing arenas? :D |
| 02:35.35 | Hirsute | I don't do arenas. They piss me off. |
| 02:35.49 | Hirsute | So if I did them, probably... I don't know, maybe some Rage Against the Machine. |
| 02:38.27 | DARKGuy | really? I only like the Guerilla Radio theme |
| 02:38.29 | DARKGuy | *song |
| 02:44.21 | Legorol | Anyone familiar with Incubator could help me with the following: how do I tell it to not show the countdown bars on the left side of the screen? |
| 02:44.30 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/god_bless_the_2nd_amendment |
| 02:44.32 | Legorol | Since I can get the same info in the tooltip of the minimap button |
| 02:44.52 | Legorol | I have somehow achieved that on one of my characters, but i don't remember how. |
| 02:45.02 | Legorol | I have looked through all the slash commands but can't find anything pertinent. |
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| 02:48.19 | Cairenn | hey Iriel |
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| 03:48.21 | Lunessa | night all. |
| 03:48.33 | Fisker- | no u |
| 03:48.34 | Fisker- | NOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:48.37 | Lopeppeppy | Night! |
| 03:48.45 | Fisker- | NO U |
| 03:48.48 | Fisker- | wee |
| 03:50.35 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. Lunessa still loves me. |
| 03:51.32 | Thunder_Child | you just keep telling yourself that |
| 03:52.03 | |Jelly| | I lurve Peppy! |
| 03:52.05 | Fisker- | you ruined it |
| 03:52.06 | Fisker- | http://www.battle.net/forums/thread-search.aspx?ForumName=d4-general |
| 03:52.07 | Fisker- | :( |
| 03:52.50 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, so? |
| 03:53.36 | Fisker- | it says diablo 4 :( |
| 03:54.06 | Thunder_Child | it's a search though |
| 03:54.30 | Thunder_Child | you can search for anything |
| 03:55.14 | Fisker- | ... |
| 03:55.20 | Fisker- | you fail |
| 03:56.10 | Thunder_Child | no, not really |
| 03:56.14 | Fisker- | yes you do |
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| 03:57.02 | Fisker- | because you see mr. Thunder_Child |
| 03:57.32 | Fisker- | It cannot logically deduce that i'm searching for "Diablo IV Discussion"-topics unless it knows "d4-general" = Diablo IV Discussion |
| 03:57.42 | Fisker- | Which means the forum has to be made first |
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| 04:06.26 | Thunder_Child | i see what you mean Fisker-, however i bet that D<anything> is linked to the diablo forums section's |
| 04:11.59 | NightHawkTheSane | actually.. |
| 04:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | its interesting |
| 04:12.12 | NightHawkTheSane | if you change d4-general, to say d5-general or d6-general, you get similar results |
| 04:12.21 | NightHawkTheSane | but d7-general appears to not work |
| 04:13.17 | Fisker- | d5-general didn't work here minutes ago |
| 04:13.23 | Fisker- | perhaps they found out we found out |
| 04:13.32 | Fisker- | and started doing this for the lulz |
| 04:13.35 | NightHawkTheSane | OMG. THEY'RE ON TO YOU. IT'S A TRAP! |
| 04:14.45 | Fisker- | i think it is |
| 04:21.31 | Thunder_Child | in that case i think blizz wins |
| 04:33.39 | Thunder_Child | blizz beats Fisker- |
| 04:33.45 | Thunder_Child | and Fisker- loses again |
| 04:33.52 | DARKGuy | This thread is pure win |
| 04:33.53 | DARKGuy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976428344&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 04:33.57 | DARKGuy | Blizz should really listen to him |
| 04:35.46 | dylanm | He has too much time on his hands. |
| 04:36.00 | DARKGuy | He rocks |
| 04:36.08 | DARKGuy | Actually, I had the exact same idea, but he has the skill and time :P |
| 04:37.26 | DARKGuy | the guy is right though, normal mapping and specular shading on the character models, using a texture instead of applying the effect to the whole model, would greatly improve the graphic quality, and wouldn't make the game that slow |
| 04:37.31 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, it feels wrinkely |
| 04:38.04 | Thunder_Child | right, less detailed cuse he smoothed everything out...what a cop |
| 04:38.10 | DARKGuy | Well the renders are.... renders. It would look better with bloom effect and specular shading |
| 04:38.13 | Thunder_Child | s/cop/copout/ |
| 04:38.24 | DARKGuy | less detailed? o.O |
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| 04:38.38 | Thunder_Child | yes, because of the smoothing |
| 04:38.38 | DARKGuy | smooth the models and add normal + specular textured mapping. Ftw! |
| 04:39.47 | DARKGuy | I swear if I could modify WoW's engine I'd add that |
| 04:41.03 | Thunder_Child | i always did wonder what would happen if you mounted wow on the cry engine |
| 04:41.46 | Seerah | I never like the look of games when they try to be too "real".... couldn't tell if that was what he was doing there or not |
| 04:41.53 | Seerah | they're not real... if you try to look real, it just looks fake |
| 04:48.00 | Fisker- | i die you Thunder_Child |
| 04:48.11 | Thunder_Child | see Fisker-, more fail |
| 04:48.28 | Thunder_Child | unless you mean dye...then that would be weird |
| 04:49.23 | DARKGuy | nah, making it look real would be fail, since all of WoW is disproportioned (sp?) |
| 04:49.24 | batbot | DARKGuy, disproportion ed, disproportion-ed, dis proportioned, dis-proportioned. |
| 04:49.30 | DARKGuy | kkkk thanks lol |
| 04:49.47 | Thunder_Child | well wow is made to look slightly cartoony |
| 04:49.51 | DARKGuy | yup |
| 04:49.57 | DARKGuy | but it would benefit from some bling-bling :P |
| 04:50.58 | DARKGuy | leave the models intact, just add some normal/bump/specular/multi mapping :P |
| 04:52.12 | Fisker- | don't change shit |
| 04:52.19 | Fisker- | optimize instead of adding more |
| 04:52.23 | DARKGuy | you can see the difference in nowadays games, try playing TRL with and without the "next generation content", FEAR in low and high detail, COD4 without specular shading and with it - the difference is huge and very pretty, you don't change polygon detail. |
| 04:52.44 | DARKGuy | it's simply a texture effect. |
| 04:52.55 | DARKGuy | I doubt they can optimize more than they have already :P |
| 04:53.03 | Fisker- | You don't know shit |
| 04:53.17 | DARKGuy | I've been programming games since I was 10, that hurt. |
| 04:53.25 | DARKGuy | I know my stuff. |
| 04:53.34 | Thunder_Child | well with Fisker- it could have been literaly 'shit' |
| 04:53.44 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 04:54.34 | Fisker- | DARKGuy so why do you "doubt" if you know? |
| 04:54.37 | Fisker- | Because you don't know |
| 04:56.13 | DARKGuy | Fisker-: ^_^ I know what you don't, and with that I'm happy :) |
| 04:56.39 | Fisker- | You don't know what i know and what i don't know |
| 04:58.09 | DARKGuy | Neither do you :D |
| 04:59.04 | Fisker- | Indeed |
| 04:59.07 | Fisker- | You said so yourself though |
| 04:59.49 | Cairenn | oi, enough boys, put your dicks back in your pants, we're all impressed with the size of them, you don't need to wave them around any more |
| 04:59.56 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:00.32 | Fisker- | but i'm not done playing guitar hero |
| 05:00.37 | DARKGuy | It wasn't my intention to impress you :P |
| 05:01.02 | Thunder_Child | well i for one was not impressed at all |
| 05:01.06 | Thunder_Child | i have seen bigger |
| 05:01.25 | dylanm | I don't really know what the argument was, even. |
| 05:01.27 | DARKGuy | Damn, and I thought last night... |
| 05:01.41 | Thunder_Child | well your wrong DARKGuy, it was enjoyable but not enough |
| 05:01.42 | DARKGuy | a silly one XD |
| 05:01.51 | DARKGuy | Thunder_Child: :( we can repeat tho? :D |
| 05:02.07 | Thunder_Child | maybe....i'm sure you still get the proper type of spam.... |
| 05:02.27 | DARKGuy | :3 |
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| 05:03.09 | Thunder_Child | does purl have an emote translator? |
| 05:03.12 | Thunder_Child | ~:3 |
| 05:03.13 | purl | It's a kitty! |
| 05:03.26 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 05:03.32 | Thunder_Child | DARKGuy, was that what you were trying to say? |
| 05:03.54 | DARKGuy | Thunder_Child: :( a kitty can be a kitty without the ~! |
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| 05:05.46 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
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| 05:20.42 | Sixen | hai~ |
| 05:21.09 | Mitranim | |""|_(0-0)_|""| |
| 05:25.34 | DARKGuy | moonkin! |
| 05:31.18 | cogwheel | where's the midsummer dude in stormwind? |
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| 05:32.44 | NightHawkTheSane | 40,61 |
| 05:33.03 | cogwheel | ty |
| 05:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | wowwiki.com/Midsummer |
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| 05:33.48 | Thunder_Child | ~ircstats |
| 05:33.48 | purl | Currently I'm hooked up to niven.freenode.net:6667 but only for 2d 4h 57m 9s. I had to reconnect 5 times. Connectivity: 100.00 % |
| 05:33.52 | cogwheel | heh... i don't think i've ever used wowwiki for anything other than api stuff >< |
| 05:34.01 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 05:34.06 | Fisker- | cogwheel! |
| 05:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | amazingly, there is lots of useful information there |
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| 05:34.09 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 05:38.46 | Mitranim | A help needed! How can I get my IRC client auto-identify me when logging? I'm using Mozilla plugin ChatZilla as IRC client. |
| 05:38.48 | Mitranim | Honestly, first time in IRC altogether. :-) |
| 05:39.07 | MentalPower | first of all, hi |
| 05:39.32 | Mitranim | Yay, hi. |
| 05:39.50 | Mitranim | Hello world! |
| 05:39.53 | MentalPower | second of all Chatzilla -> Preferences -> <network> ->lists -> auto-perform |
| 05:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes indeed, I can see what you are saying. |
| 05:40.05 | Fisker- | Mitranim set your server password to the password you use for nickserv |
| 05:40.33 | MentalPower | in that list, put your /ns identify <password> before any /join commands |
| 05:40.55 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 05:41.06 | MentalPower | Fisker-: chatzilla doesn't have that, or does it? |
| 05:41.10 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 05:41.21 | Fisker- | proper irc client is mandatory in my guide :P |
| 05:41.39 | MentalPower | mIRC is *not* a proper IRC client in my book :) |
| 05:41.40 | Mitranim | Hmm. I found something similar to that. There are "Command aliases" and "Nickname list". |
| 05:42.00 | MentalPower | Mitranim: auto-perform list, trust me, I use CZ |
| 05:42.02 | Mitranim | It seems that /ns ... ... needs to be put in former and nickname in the latter. |
| 05:42.02 | Fisker- | better than chatzilla atleast MentalPower :o |
| 05:42.18 | MentalPower | not when it can't handle UTF8 |
| 05:42.36 | MentalPower | hà thé®é :) |
| 05:42.53 | Fisker- | hà thé®é indeed |
| 05:43.11 | Fisker- | (btw mirc handles utf-8) |
| 05:43.25 | MentalPower | oh rly? after 10 years |
| 05:43.28 | MentalPower | friggin finally |
| 05:43.46 | MentalPower | at any rate, I still prefer CZ |
| 05:43.48 | batrick | go get irrsi kiddies :) |
| 05:43.53 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, eh? mine doesnt |
| 05:43.55 | Fisker- | been that for some time MentalPower |
| 05:44.03 | Fisker- | then you haven't enabled it Thunder_Child |
| 05:44.22 | Thunder_Child | why is it even disabled? |
| 05:44.28 | Mitranim | Whoa, what a quarrel. :-) |
| 05:44.48 | Mitranim | Thanks for advice, let's try it... |
| 05:44.51 | Fisker- | don't ask me Thunder_Child |
| 05:45.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Mitranim (i=Mitranim@84.51.81.162) |
| 05:45.47 | Fisker- | anyways you can enable UTF-8 Display in the options |
| 05:45.59 | Thunder_Child | This global setting is enabled by default and ensures that mIRC properly displays UTF-8 text in all windows in mIRC." |
| 05:46.05 | Fisker- | ah |
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| 05:46.11 | Fisker- | only encoding that's disabled per default then |
| 05:46.16 | Thunder_Child | well it doesnt happen for me damit |
| 05:46.34 | Fisker- | go to the font option of a channel window |
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| 05:46.40 | Fisker- | set UTF-8 to display and encode |
| 05:46.46 | Fisker- | and set as default for all channels i believe |
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| 05:47.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Mitranim (i=Mitranim@84.51.81.162) |
| 05:47.44 | Mitranim | It refuses to identify me automatically. Must be a syntax error... |
| 05:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | If you just type "/ns help" what happens? |
| 05:48.59 | Mitranim | A help appears. :-) |
| 05:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:49.05 | MentalPower | ah, one other thing, you have to remove the leading / for commands in the auto-perform list |
| 05:49.07 | Thunder_Child | ah, got it now Fisker- thanks. it should really be in options though |
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| 05:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 05:49.14 | Fisker- | this sucks :o |
| 05:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd do it, MentalPower ;) |
| 05:49.17 | Fisker- | æøå |
| 05:49.20 | Fisker- | heh |
| 05:49.22 | Mitranim | I removed "/" already. |
| 05:49.27 | MentalPower | and you can't have any channels set as "open at startup" |
| 05:49.27 | Fisker- | this client doesn't support utf-8!1 |
| 05:49.37 | MentalPower | ¡²³¤â¬Â¼Â½Â¾ââ |
| 05:49.51 | Mitranim | That's wrong, I connect to this channel automatically! |
| 05:50.03 | Mitranim | And who cares about utf-8? |
| 05:50.03 | Fisker- | il |
| 05:50.05 | Fisker- | fail |
| 05:50.09 | Fisker- | yeha |
| 05:50.10 | MentalPower | you add them to the auto-perform list |
| 05:50.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Mitranim: no one! |
| 05:50.16 | Fisker- | giev utf-64 support already |
| 05:50.24 | MentalPower | ~lart Fisker- |
| 05:50.24 | purl | beats Fisker- over the head with a microkernel |
| 05:50.26 | Fisker- | when martians need irc too |
| 05:50.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Mitranim: but seriously this channel has multiple people outside the US... they might ;) |
| 05:51.02 | Mitranim | Let's try Russian letters... |
| 05:51.14 | Mitranim | ÐÑобнÑй ÑекÑÑ. ÐеÑжели оÑобÑажаеÑÑÑ? |
| 05:51.16 | Fisker- | In soviet russia, russian letters try you |
| 05:51.19 | Fisker- | hax Mitranim |
| 05:51.25 | Mitranim | How's it? |
| 05:51.37 | MentalPower | its russian, I can't read it |
| 05:51.39 | Mitranim | It seems that ChatZilla has support for this after all. |
| 05:51.45 | Mitranim | :P |
| 05:51.48 | MentalPower | ~x ru en ÐÑобнÑй ÑекÑÑ. ÐеÑжели оÑобÑажаеÑÑÑ? |
| 05:52.02 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 05:52.11 | Mitranim | O-oh. Or maybe hasn't. What's this? |
| 05:52.13 | Fisker- | i agree with purl |
| 05:52.25 | Fisker- | perhaps purl doesn't support utf-8 :o |
| 05:52.27 | MentalPower | ~x en ru Hello |
| 05:52.50 | Fisker- | ~x en ru Thunder_Child i'll hurt you and destroy you |
| 05:52.54 | MentalPower | ~x ru en здÑавÑÑвÑлÑе! |
| 05:53.06 | Mitranim | Not entirely correct, but similar to. :-) |
| 05:54.05 | Mitranim | Purl, what symbols do you type? |
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| 05:56.35 | MentalPower | purl is a bot :) |
| 05:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botsnack |
| 05:56.51 | purl | :), ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:56.53 | Mitranim | Well... I can identify by a command "/msg NickServ identify <nickname> <password>", but I cannot have ChatZilla do it on startup. |
| 05:57.16 | Mitranim | What do I do to make it so? |
| 05:57.40 | MentalPower | ns identify <password> |
| 05:57.42 | MentalPower | join #WoWUIDev |
| 05:57.56 | MentalPower | those two lines, in the auto-perform list |
| 05:58.00 | MentalPower | thats all you need |
| 05:58.17 | Mitranim | I join #WoWUIDev automatically, there's an option for that. |
| 05:58.25 | MentalPower | you need to remove that |
| 05:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's your problem |
| 05:58.36 | MentalPower | and do your joins from the auto-perform list |
| 05:58.36 | Mitranim | Why remove that? |
| 05:58.42 | MentalPower | cause thats done first |
| 05:58.46 | MentalPower | then the auto-perform list |
| 05:58.55 | MentalPower | so you're joining channels without being authed |
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| 06:00.12 | Mitranim | What the heck, it refuses to surrender to human mind... |
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| 06:01.17 | Cairenn | god this commercial makes me laugh: http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=autotrader.ca+sexy+commercial&hl=en&sitesearch=# |
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| 06:01.47 | Mitranim | At last, it worked! Thanks guys for help. :-) |
| 06:02.24 | Fisker- | should've gotten another girl to do that voiceover :( |
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| 06:05.38 | Mitranim | By the way, speaking about IRC clients, the utility and joy of ChatZilla is that I can mid-click links and they open in a new tab in browser. I wouldn't trade this for martian letters or whatever. :-) |
| 06:08.39 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|paris: surreeee, way to make us all jealous in a single /nick command |
| 06:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart clad|paris |
| 06:08.47 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in clad|paris's direction, hitting clad|paris and sending clad|paris flying into the closet |
| 06:10.39 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, how are you jealous of paris |
| 06:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: truth be told I don't care at all, I can barely see straight, I haven't had a migraine this bad in months |
| 06:11.24 | Thunder_Child | masquerading as Cairenn? |
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| 06:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I'd describe the burning that it is looking at monitors, but I can't sleep due to the pain anyway, and I'm waiting for the meds to hopefully kick in |
| 06:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 06:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | You could say that if you wish ;) |
| 06:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It wouldn't be TOO far off base, except you know, she has a chest and I do not |
| 06:12.18 | Thunder_Child | umm..i assume you have SOME kind of chest... |
| 06:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | s/a chest/boobs/ |
| 06:12.36 | Thunder_Child | there we go |
| 06:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely off topic, but quite possibly the most awesome lolcats picture I've ever seen |
| 06:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i28.tinypic.com/ebdcnn.jpg |
| 06:14.06 | Cairenn | hahhaa |
| 06:14.11 | Thunder_Child | lol indeed |
| 06:14.13 | dylanm | Load damn you. |
| 06:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | There are very, very few lolcats that I would honestly consider funny |
| 06:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be one of the few |
| 06:14.44 | Dashkal | very nice |
| 06:15.06 | Dashkal | also *comforts sbo* |
| 06:16.30 | Thunder_Child | heh, comfort's and runs |
| 06:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 06:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Comforting is nice and all |
| 06:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But I wouldn't object to a simple bat to the head |
| 06:17.28 | Thunder_Child | ~bat ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:17.29 | purl | ACTION takes his mighty clue bat and whacks ScytheBlade1 over the head many, many, many times |
| 06:17.45 | Thunder_Child | anytime man, anytime |
| 06:20.24 | cogwheel | seeking consensus... My mustang with 4 GNMRGN plates is worth the extra 2-ish tanks of gas to drive it to blizzcon? (as opposed to my '96 Hyundai station wagon) |
| 06:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: that really depends on how many people will see it ;) |
| 06:20.56 | Mitranim | Want to be scared? Try this: http://www.funnycatpix.com/_pics/Big_Smile_Cat.jpg |
| 06:20.57 | cogwheel | depends on the people :P |
| 06:21.08 | cogwheel | err... |
| 06:21.16 | cogwheel | my brain did s/see it/it seat/ |
| 06:21.53 | cogwheel | Hopefully i'll be able to find a prominent parking spot :P |
| 06:22.07 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, it had better be part of the tour then |
| 06:22.56 | Thunder_Child | though with a 15-gal tank your looking at an extra $120 |
| 06:23.03 | cogwheel | aye |
| 06:23.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd really say no, unless you go to great lengths to make it worthwhile |
| 06:23.28 | Thunder_Child | cheaper to make cards/postcards and hand them out to everyone |
| 06:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side, it's not like gas is ever going to get any cheaper... so why not? ;) |
| 06:23.49 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, so he can save $120 |
| 06:24.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: in a few years, taking it this year would be saving him $120 |
| 06:24.37 | Thunder_Child | unless he never does...or he gets an electric car |
| 06:24.47 | Thunder_Child | OR HE BRINGS IT BY HAND! |
| 06:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw it in neutral and tow it? ;) |
| 06:25.17 | Thunder_Child | no, unscrew the plate |
| 06:25.20 | Thunder_Child | and take it |
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| 06:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:25.29 | ScytheBlade1 | simple, effective |
| 06:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I like it |
| 06:25.50 | Thunder_Child | and you can tie string through the holes to hang around your neck |
| 06:26.04 | cogwheel | heh... My mom took her RATHFAN plate to a 49ers game once and ended up in one of those clip montages for some news program's sports segment |
| 06:28.07 | cogwheel | but then everyone might think it's a fake :( |
| 06:28.25 | Thunder_Child | not with the CA stickers on it |
| 06:29.22 | cogwheel | i wouldn't be comfortable bringing the rear one... supreme suckage if anything happened to it |
| 06:30.09 | Arrowmaster | what year mustang? |
| 06:30.14 | cogwheel | 00 |
| 06:30.23 | Arrowmaster | meh |
| 06:30.41 | Arrowmaster | just take the wagon |
| 06:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. It's awesome and all, but something tells me that in order for you to make it worthwhile, you'd be missing other stuff |
| 06:31.41 | cogwheel | i'd want a '64 but it'd be way too much hassle for a non car geek |
| 06:32.11 | Fisker- | you rock cogwheel |
| 06:32.44 | Arrowmaster | im not a car geek but i still keep my eye out for a good 69 corvette, if i ever find one im so buying it |
| 06:32.47 | Thunder_Child | dont be a hater Arrowmaster |
| 06:34.12 | Slackwise | lol, fighting Aran outside his room... |
| 06:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Slackwise: doesn't he teleport to the center on occasion? |
| 06:34.39 | Slackwise | nope |
| 06:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I really thought he did, when he does the arcane explosion |
| 06:34.59 | cogwheel | Then again, i also have to question the ability of the wagon to handle a trip like that... We haven't really been good to it over the last couple years. It sat completely unused for 6 months ... twice... |
| 06:35.04 | Slackwise | Depends on where you stand. |
| 06:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Otherwise not everyone would have the option of "moving away from aran" as otherwise you'd have a chance of taking the hit anyway |
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| 06:36.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa |
| 06:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | The magelo thread is off of page one |
| 06:36.29 | cncfanatics | YAY |
| 06:36.31 | Cairenn | shhhhh |
| 06:36.33 | cncfanatics | finaly back on linux :) |
| 06:37.16 | Diskmaster | grats |
| 06:37.29 | Slackwise | Burn, you hellish fiends! Wait, you're behind the door... |
| 06:37.38 | cogwheel | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:37.38 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I don't blame you for that |
| 06:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Not in the least |
| 06:38.47 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, necro it |
| 06:38.51 | Fisker- | still funnehs how they believe it does not mine data |
| 06:38.52 | Fisker- | magelo that is |
| 06:39.00 | Fisker- | How can they not see that? |
| 06:39.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: not much of a necro right now, it's in the middle of page 2 |
| 06:39.05 | cogwheel | If her delusions about me are keeping her away, more power to them ;) |
| 06:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Which for UI, isn't much of a macro |
| 06:39.08 | Fisker- | Are they thinking actual miners or something like that? :D |
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| 06:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | s/macro/necro/ |
| 06:39.24 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, well for soemthing as hot as that i would say it applys |
| 06:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: nah. I'll make another trolling character in a month and THEN necro it. |
| 06:39.47 | Thunder_Child | works for me |
| 06:39.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: this may have the unintended side effect of outright causing cog to die, however |
| 06:40.03 | Thunder_Child | let me know so i can take pics |
| 06:40.12 | ScytheBlade1 | sure thing |
| 06:40.52 | cogwheel | no... only thing about that thread that might kill me would be if i ran into silenia at blizzcon... and that would only be if California lives up to its death penalty :P |
| 06:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
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| 06:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | The real kicker about silenia (for me at least) is that he questioned the legality of it on the magelo boards |
| 06:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | And it took a single post (maybe one and then another very very short post) to convince him well enough that it was "legal" |
| 06:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Here we have multiple pages and... no |
| 06:43.41 | Slackwise | lol, Shadow of Aran |
| 06:43.52 | Slackwise | Ahhhh, amusing. |
| 06:43.54 | Corrodias | raid boss |
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| 06:44.46 | Corrodias | after the 10th or so time of killing him, he was not amusing any more, nor was the rest of that damn tower |
| 06:45.07 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: what is magelo and who is silenia? |
| 06:45.20 | Thunder_Child | ~lart MentalPower |
| 06:45.20 | purl | moos at MentalPower |
| 06:45.26 | cogwheel | MentalPower: how many bedrooms do you have in your cave? |
| 06:45.39 | MentalPower | 5, with room for expansion |
| 06:45.46 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6962916601&sid=1 |
| 06:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: app that reads WoW's memory to create its own version of the armory. Author REFUSES to believe that he's breaking the ToU by reading the memory directly. |
| 06:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note: absolutely zero data collected is inaccessible via the in-game API... which just makes it that much more frustrating) |
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| 06:46.33 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: except the player model |
| 06:46.44 | cogwheel | can you get all the details of that from the API? |
| 06:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Sileina is just a tool who is fan-botting the app and refusing to listen. The author of the app is actually responding in a semi-acceptable way, though he keeps his fingers in his ears also |
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| 06:47.08 | Arrowmaster | player models are recreatable if you know all the equipment (well except for shit like hair style and color) |
| 06:47.10 | Fisker- | the program can also gain access about bank info etc. |
| 06:47.20 | cogwheel | exactly the shit i mean ;) |
| 06:47.20 | Corrodias | what's "fan-botting"? |
| 06:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: didn't know it did player model details, but yeah, not that |
| 06:47.34 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: while not at the bank? |
| 06:47.38 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 06:47.57 | Arrowmaster | well thats not hard to do with an addon |
| 06:48.12 | Arrowmaster | although slightly less accurate if you dont goto the bank often |
| 06:48.14 | Fisker- | nah but you can't get realtime information about it |
| 06:48.14 | Fisker- | :P |
| 06:48.45 | Fisker- | anyways in my opinion it's no different than model/skin changing |
| 06:48.45 | Arrowmaster | you can get realtime bank info, you just have to query GetItemCount() with every itemid twice |
| 06:49.02 | cncfanatics | I'd call that a hack |
| 06:49.02 | Fisker- | some people may not use model/skin changing to cheat |
| 06:49.06 | Fisker- | but some do |
| 06:49.14 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: thats not a hack its a feature |
| 06:49.24 | Fisker- | So rather have it off-limits entirely than getting fuzzy about the rules |
| 06:49.35 | cncfanatics | well, its a feature, but from a programming point of view thats hackish imo |
| 06:50.11 | cogwheel | yeah... sounds unintended at best |
| 06:50.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah i have to bring up the campfire into staircase hack everytime somebody trys to say model changing is harmless |
| 06:50.30 | Corrodias | oh, tell me the story about that one |
| 06:50.35 | cncfanatics | campfire in staircase hack ? |
| 06:50.37 | Fisker- | campfire into staircase hack = lols |
| 06:50.41 | cncfanatics | indeed, tell teh story :p |
| 06:50.42 | Corrodias | haven't heard of it before |
| 06:50.44 | Fisker- | you make your campfire a staircase |
| 06:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | brb, server had 30985304 updates to apply for some reason |
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| 06:51.01 | Fisker- | so you can use it to reach higher altitudes |
| 06:51.03 | Arrowmaster | well you replace the model for a campfire with a staircase then you drop a campfire next to a wall |
| 06:51.09 | Fisker- | i once replaced my campfire with the dark portal |
| 06:51.09 | Fisker- | :D |
| 06:51.09 | Arrowmaster | theres the hack |
| 06:51.11 | Corrodias | haha, excellent. |
| 06:51.15 | cncfanatics | lol |
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| 06:51.43 | cncfanatics | people shld try that in pvp |
| 06:51.47 | cncfanatics | at least blizz wld start banning |
| 06:51.49 | Arrowmaster | they did |
| 06:51.57 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 06:51.57 | Arrowmaster | blizz did start banning |
| 06:52.01 | cncfanatics | great :D |
| 06:52.16 | Fisker- | like i'd model edit on the official servers |
| 06:52.38 | cncfanatics | ~lart Fisker- |
| 06:52.38 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides Fisker- with the sea of tranquility |
| 06:52.57 | Mitranim | Wait, you tell that it actually worked? |
| 06:53.03 | Fisker- | of course |
| 06:53.04 | Arrowmaster | which is why if you use model changing and ever get reported for getting places you shouldnt even if you didnt change any models that would allow you to get there but got there somehow else, i wouldnt be suprised if you got baned |
| 06:53.14 | Fisker- | All collision detection is done clientside |
| 06:53.25 | Fisker- | So what my client believes is what the server accepts |
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| 06:53.29 | Mitranim | Holy crap. |
| 06:53.39 | cncfanatics | spares out a lot of memory :p |
| 06:53.40 | Arrowmaster | just like all runspeed limiting is done client side |
| 06:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 06:53.53 | Mitranim | Really? |
| 06:53.54 | Arrowmaster | mmo's do a lot of stuff client side |
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| 06:54.08 | cncfanatics | its usualy fine |
| 06:54.24 | Mitranim | Hmm. What about Deadmines blink glitch? Would you get banned for getting there? :-) |
| 06:54.48 | cncfanatics | you first have to get reported |
| 06:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Mitranim: no, no not usually, though you technically could |
| 06:54.58 | Arrowmaster | i ment if you like go somewhere that you shouldnt be able to and warden picked up mpq edits |
| 06:54.59 | cncfanatics | think for yourself if someone would report you if he saw you doing it |
| 06:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Mitranim: they usually have better things to do than police realms for people casting blink in deadmines |
| 06:55.18 | Arrowmaster | like getting outside a battleground |
| 06:55.30 | Arrowmaster | which ive seen people do before wallwalking was fixed |
| 06:55.32 | Corrodias | and i think they don't BAN for moving out of the intentionally traversible areas, when not in a pvp situation |
| 06:55.46 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 06:55.48 | Corrodias | unless they tell you to knock it off and you refuse |
| 06:55.54 | cncfanatics | AQ40 straight to c'thun ? :D |
| 06:56.03 | cncfanatics | remember that one heh ? |
| 06:56.04 | Corrodias | oh yes, i misspoke |
| 06:56.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah the entire guild that got baned |
| 06:56.13 | Corrodias | *when not using it to gain a significant advantage |
| 06:56.22 | cncfanatics | it was hilarious imho |
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| 06:56.32 | cncfanatics | just the fact they thought they could get away with it was hilarious |
| 06:56.36 | Corrodias | walking around an unfinished area of tirisfal isn't likely to get you banned |
| 06:56.40 | Arrowmaster | i doubt they just went and baned every account on the guild roster but instead used warden logs and baned everybody that had edited game files |
| 06:56.51 | cncfanatics | I hope so |
| 06:56.54 | Fisker- | I remember one time |
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| 06:56.57 | cncfanatics | because I'm sure some people refused to do it :p |
| 06:56.59 | Fisker- | our raid leader wanted us to do that |
| 06:57.04 | Fisker- | by downloading the edited files |
| 06:57.20 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: I'd have left raid & reported him :p |
| 06:57.24 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 06:57.27 | zenzio | oh, the number of people who climbed the mountains to see Hyjal or get above Ironforge |
| 06:57.27 | Fisker- | that's what i told him |
| 06:57.29 | Corrodias | in fact, unless it has been changed, that area in the west of tirisfal is still accessible with no editing at all. well... used to be before the last wallwalking nerf; it might not be now |
| 06:57.45 | Corrodias | you had to jump over a rock by getting stuck in a corner |
| 06:57.48 | Fisker- | that i'd report the raid immediately if he didn't start getting a clue :o |
| 06:57.56 | Arrowmaster | getting to hyjal and above ironforge was easy |
| 06:58.10 | cncfanatics | can you still get to hyjal ? |
| 06:58.13 | Fisker- | it is almost tiem |
| 06:58.23 | Corrodias | yes, but it automatically teleports you out, cnc. |
| 06:58.23 | zenzio | didn't say it was hard, just that it was popular :) |
| 06:58.25 | Arrowmaster | last i heard they finally added the zone wide teleport debuff |
| 06:58.33 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 06:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup they did |
| 06:58.43 | Corrodias | i say "yes" before the last wallwalk nerf, again. i have no idea about NOW. |
| 06:58.59 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten ontop of ZA |
| 06:59.03 | Corrodias | walljump, actually |
| 06:59.04 | Arrowmaster | that was fun |
| 06:59.22 | Corrodias | unfortunately, the unfinished areas are often quite boring |
| 06:59.35 | Fisker- | haha |
| 06:59.36 | Fisker- | http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/08.jpg |
| 06:59.37 | Arrowmaster | except for the blizzard construction signs |
| 06:59.40 | Fisker- | only 42 missing now |
| 06:59.48 | Fisker- | http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/ice5.jpg |
| 06:59.49 | Fisker- | :o |
| 07:00.03 | Corrodias | what are these pictures? people keep linking them in here |
| 07:00.05 | Sixen | new pic is up |
| 07:00.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: www.blizzard.com |
| 07:00.19 | Sixen | LOL |
| 07:00.20 | Sixen | . |
| 07:00.20 | Sixen | .evilpenguin {background:url(_images/42.jpg) no-repeat 0 0} */ |
| 07:00.33 | Fisker- | yay |
| 07:00.38 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 07:00.39 | Fisker- | it was the lost riddle then |
| 07:00.39 | Sixen | Slip up! |
| 07:00.40 | Corrodias | the front page pic? |
| 07:00.47 | Fisker- | FUKKEN SAVED |
| 07:00.48 | Arrowmaster | i keep telling you its going to be a dancing murloc coming out of the ice with a rickroll caption bubble |
| 07:00.49 | Corrodias | why bother linking the front page pic? |
| 07:01.08 | Sixen | =o |
| 07:01.32 | cog|sleep | Corrodias: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/25/blizzards-splash-screen-changes-for-june-25th-reveals-new-rune/ |
| 07:01.35 | Thunder_Child | ok, soooooo todays xkcd is quite weird |
| 07:01.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: quite WIN |
| 07:01.59 | Thunder_Child | no no, i am quite sure i said weird |
| 07:02.11 | Thunder_Child | "Thunder_Child: ok, soooooo todays xkcd is quite weird" <-- see |
| 07:02.30 | Corrodias | oh, speculation about the meaning of a vague image. i'll stay out of it. |
| 07:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That is really starting to look like a protoss unit of sorts |
| 07:02.49 | Elkano | anyone good with 'unpacking' javascript that is most likely hazardous? tracked down scam from wow-europ forums most likely intended to steal passwords down to the script |
| 07:03.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Even though I'm still betting on D3 or a new franchise entirely |
| 07:03.19 | cog|sleep | Thunder_Child: overcompensating for his uber emo strips of late? |
| 07:03.48 | Thunder_Child | cog|sleep, no kidding, i would rather stick with the emo |
| 07:04.12 | Sixen | What's that 5th rune? |
| 07:04.33 | MentalPower | looks like a snowflake |
| 07:04.47 | MentalPower | they've also increased the contrast on the other runes |
| 07:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 07:05.00 | Corrodias | come back in a month and they'll have announced whatever it is |
| 07:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Saturday |
| 07:05.11 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 07:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Or... tomorrow |
| 07:05.18 | cncfanatics | apt-get dist-upgrade takes AGES |
| 07:05.37 | Sixen | heh |
| 07:05.42 | Sixen | Announcing it tomorrow ftw. |
| 07:05.58 | Sixen | 12 hours, it should be announced IIRC. |
| 07:06.04 | Thunder_Child | still thinking protoss eyes |
| 07:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I agree with you there |
| 07:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | But... I don't know |
| 07:06.52 | Corrodias | i'm thinking: |
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| 07:07.03 | Corrodias | they're going to merge starcraft, diablo, and warcraft into a single IP. |
| 07:07.14 | cncfanatics | if they do that I stop playing |
| 07:07.16 | cncfanatics | seriously |
| 07:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | pfft |
| 07:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It's WoW 2 |
| 07:07.37 | MentalPower | I'm quite sure they could |
| 07:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | We all know it |
| 07:07.49 | MentalPower | metzen is crazy enough to do it too |
| 07:07.51 | Mitranim | You mean WoW 3. 3.0 |
| 07:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I mean WoW 2 version 1.0 |
| 07:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Identical in every way except higher poly count |
| 07:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 07:08.12 | Corrodias | protoss vs dwarves, demons vs zerg, tristram invaded by orcs |
| 07:08.13 | MentalPower | anyways, nighty night |
| 07:09.03 | Arrowmaster | somehow i think the sc races would defeat the wc races |
| 07:09.10 | Mitranim | What time is on your clock by now? |
| 07:09.18 | cncfanatics | need to reboot to install new kernel, brb |
| 07:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Polymorph and Blizzard are great and all |
| 07:09.19 | Arrowmaster | ~time |
| 07:09.20 | purl | i heard time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.06.27 7:09:20 GMT |
| 07:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But psionic storm > all |
| 07:10.06 | Arrowmaster | protoss with an scv and a drone > all |
| 07:10.41 | Corrodias | DWARVES HAVE AXES |
| 07:10.49 | Arrowmaster | i hope they dont take that out in sc2 |
| 07:11.08 | Corrodias | what, can they take over enemy units? |
| 07:11.15 | Corrodias | i haven't played in many years |
| 07:11.19 | Arrowmaster | protoss? yeah |
| 07:11.55 | Arrowmaster | and if you takeover the builder units you can build up an army twice the size |
| 07:12.03 | Arrowmaster | since the supply count is seperate |
| 07:12.14 | Arrowmaster | per race |
| 07:12.37 | Arrowmaster | or atleast it used to be in SC i dont know if they ever nerfed it |
| 07:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 07:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Still that way |
| 07:13.02 | Arrowmaster | so as protoss you can have 600 supply worth of units |
| 07:13.07 | Mitranim | I wish they went with C&C food system for Zergs. No food = no limit. |
| 07:13.20 | Mitranim | Where armies are measured by screens. |
| 07:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Mitranim: zerg are far more limited in terms of how many you're able to select than you are unit cap |
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| 07:14.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah, ive seen zerg get fucked because they couldnt move fast enough due to being blocked in by other units |
| 07:14.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't mean that |
| 07:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean being able to amass FAR more units than you can hotkey |
| 07:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | But that too, yes |
| 07:15.22 | Mitranim | Yeah, that's the general problem of all Blizzard RTSs. |
| 07:15.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Not with SC2! ;) |
| 07:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Infinite unit selection ftw |
| 07:15.50 | Arrowmaster | its going to be infinite? |
| 07:15.51 | Mitranim | WH40k is ingenious in this. Blizz should copy their system. |
| 07:15.53 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah |
| 07:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 07:15.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It's already infinite |
| 07:16.10 | Mitranim | Oh, that's refreshing. |
| 07:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Every screenshot and video we have of the UI shows the selection cap as being infinite |
| 07:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Along with the FAQ |
| 07:16.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mitranim: if you're referring to dawn of war, not quite |
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| 07:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | the military button needs to be able to select non-idle units too imo |
| 07:16.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still mess around with control groups |
| 07:16.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The unit selection overview doesn't retard it up like other RTSs and simply show you the unit icon and a number over that icon |
| 07:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It shows you one icon per unit you have selected, scaled to fit the amount of screen space you have |
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| 07:18.18 | Arrowmaster | im hoping they improve the per unit AI some, such as that protoss ship that does more damage the longer it fires, in one of the vids they just put it on attack and moved it up and it kept killing fodder units instead of big stuff which was disappointing |
| 07:18.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: I doubt they'll be changing that. l2micro. |
| 07:19.26 | Mitranim | But they did something similar in WC3. |
| 07:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | War3 is also an entirely different game in terms of gameplay, strategy, and micro |
| 07:19.50 | Mitranim | Unit in WC3 tend to attack targets with armor weak to their attacks. |
| 07:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Top end games look absolutely nothing like top end SC games |
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| 07:20.36 | Mitranim | SC2 should use all the achieves of WC3. |
| 07:20.38 | Arrowmaster | i hate rush games with a passion |
| 07:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | achieves of war3? |
| 07:21.21 | Mitranim | I mean achievements. |
| 07:21.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Define "achievements"? |
| 07:21.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I got that you meant that, I have no idea what you're talking about :) |
| 07:22.29 | Mitranim | Hmm. Anything which is new and progressive, advanced. |
| 07:22.52 | Mitranim | New AI, unit control methods, etc.. |
| 07:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure infinite unit cap qualifies |
| 07:23.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm also pretty sure having units auto-target like the earlier example of the charged unit defaulting to capital ships would take a /lot/ out of the game |
| 07:23.30 | Mitranim | Not much of achievement though. They just got rid of something useless. |
| 07:23.47 | ScytheBlade1 | No other RTS has done it in the way that they have |
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| 07:24.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | war3 was pretty fun minus creeping |
| 07:24.13 | Mitranim | Creeping? |
| 07:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Leveling your heroes on creeps |
| 07:24.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | farming creeps to level up heroes and stuff |
| 07:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Early/mid game, and to some extent late game |
| 07:24.53 | Mitranim | I thought is was fun. At least in was unique to this game. |
| 07:25.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was fun in sp |
| 07:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | not so much in mp though |
| 07:26.17 | Mitranim | It added some interesting nuances to MP as well. |
| 07:26.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | however i hope a dota successor is useful in sc2 |
| 07:26.28 | Mitranim | Like early game harassment in DoW. |
| 07:26.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | er possible |
| 07:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | dota can die |
| 07:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | DIE |
| 07:26.48 | Mitranim | Never! |
| 07:26.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizzard should just release a stripped down version of War3, called "DotA" |
| 07:27.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | dota's fun but its community sucks |
| 07:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It can only play multiplayer maps marked as DotA |
| 07:27.11 | Mitranim | They will. Itll be new BG in WoltK. |
| 07:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That way all of the dota tards would leave me be |
| 07:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | "hey let's play multiplayer war3!" |
| 07:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | "sure!" |
| 07:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *logs in* |
| 07:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "so, dota?" |
| 07:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ".... you said war3. dota is not war3. you TOOL." |
| 07:28.00 | NightHawkTheSane | dota IS a neat concept |
| 07:28.01 | Corrodias | it's as much a mod as anything else |
| 07:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: exactly. it isn't war3. |
| 07:28.21 | Corrodias | that would be like offering to play... what mods do the kids play these days |
| 07:28.35 | Corrodias | in the past, it'd be like offering to play half-life multiplayer and loading a counterstrike server |
| 07:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | or offering to play quake.. and instead loading up team fortress. |
| 07:30.21 | Corrodias | or offering to play connect-4, but pulling out a checkers board. |
| 07:30.22 | Mitranim | Nice that you cannot do something like that with UT. |
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| 07:30.36 | Corrodias | bad example, since that would actually work |
| 07:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Mitranim: eh, it goes both ways, the mods really ARE fun |
| 07:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really sad that Bombing Run in UT didn't stick around |
| 07:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It was a really awesome game type |
| 07:31.31 | Mitranim | I mean that there isn't any total conversion for UT. All modes are equally fun. |
| 07:31.43 | ScytheBlade1 | There are a few, actually |
| 07:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Notably the ones in the NV "Create Something Unreal" contest |
| 07:31.55 | Mitranim | Maybe only UT2D. |
| 07:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Lots of TCs for the UT2k3/4 series came from that |
| 07:32.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah there were some major TCs for UT2k4 |
| 07:32.31 | Mitranim | Ah, I forgot. The things like RedOrchestra? |
| 07:32.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:32.51 | Mitranim | Blah. None stands compared to the Ballistic mod. |
| 07:32.51 | Corrodias | a UT games sufficiently modded is a lot like any other Unreal engine game |
| 07:33.02 | Corrodias | * a UT game |
| 07:33.10 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 07:33.18 | Arrowmaster | deathball will always hold a place in my heart |
| 07:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | They did a really awesome job of allowing it to be modded |
| 07:33.23 | Corrodias | mod it enough and you can't really tell it's running in UT, necessarily |
| 07:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (SHOCK, it being a platform to sell their engine and little else) |
| 07:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, aside from a metric ton of awesome and fun. |
| 07:33.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing quite like taking a flak cannon to someone's face |
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| 07:34.10 | Arrowmaster | ive seem some perty epic ut2k4 1v1 matchs |
| 07:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | UT2k3/4 is really one of the best FPSs I've ever seen |
| 07:34.44 | Arrowmaster | although i was never really that great at 1v1 compared to the level of the pros |
| 07:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I was decent once |
| 07:35.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | u orefer ut99 |
| 07:35.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 07:35.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i prefer |
| 07:35.06 | Corrodias | i totally suck, of course |
| 07:35.10 | Corrodias | but i always liked the series |
| 07:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an awesome feeling eating someone alive with a shield cannon when they have a flak cannon ;) |
| 07:35.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | ut3 is better than 2k3 or 4 imo |
| 07:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, I need a better video card to run 3 properly |
| 07:35.51 | Mitranim | Imho no. UT2 (UT2004) is a completely different game from other two. |
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| 07:35.58 | Arrowmaster | i always ended up in 1v1's with pros due to the lanparties i was at, im talking about guys at the level where they know exactly where you are in the map by the sound when you pickup an item |
| 07:36.03 | Mitranim | But it is just as fun. |
| 07:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, I'm a freak similar to that in Halo 1 |
| 07:36.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be able to headshot snipe an entire 50 kills in a matter of minutes with zero deaths |
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| 07:37.01 | Corrodias | and your epeen grows 3 inches with every kill |
| 07:37.01 | ScytheBlade1 | For that same reason Halo isn't all that entertaining :P |
| 07:37.29 | Mitranim | For that reason I always preferred Ballistic for UT2004. |
| 07:37.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah back when i played a lot more fps games than now i was a pro sniper |
| 07:37.42 | Mitranim | With all that chaos and recoil. |
| 07:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing quite like sniping three people out of a jeep from across the map. Mmm, cheap weapons. |
| 07:38.07 | Mitranim | The game turned tactical with that, rather than all about agility. |
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| 07:38.17 | zenzio | I was never very good with FPS games, but you'd better hope you never came across me wielding a shotgun in Half-Life MP... somehow I had a nice shotgun skill |
| 07:38.54 | Mitranim | So, if we are all so good with that, how about UT'99 match right now? |
| 07:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 07:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have it installed |
| 07:39.16 | Corrodias | the original, eh |
| 07:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | *cough* so.. dota eh? :) |
| 07:39.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont have it installed either |
| 07:39.29 | Mitranim | GotY, that's. |
| 07:39.45 | Corrodias | i don't have it installed either, sorry |
| 07:39.56 | Arrowmaster | and i dont really have harddrive space to install much |
| 07:40.15 | Mitranim | UT'99 weights less then 1 Gb. |
| 07:40.22 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 07:40.31 | Corrodias | not with all the mods i used to have |
| 07:41.28 | Mitranim | Heck, I've dug through all Internet for all good UT mods. |
| 07:41.42 | Mitranim | I've a nice collection. May share it with you. |
| 07:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, I remember the first time I played UT99. It was actually after I played 2k3, and it was at a small 4-5 person LAN party. |
| 07:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | For whatever reason, we played CTF-Facing with max bots and max bot difficulty |
| 07:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And... the sniper was overpowered there too. I had people swearing profusely at me. |
| 07:42.57 | Corrodias | it's The Sniper Map |
| 07:42.59 | Mitranim | Through any calculations sniper headshot had the most awesome DPS. ) |
| 07:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 07:43.05 | Arrowmaster | i was so happy when 2k4 got the sniper instead of just the lightning gun in 2k3 |
| 07:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I had... something like 1500 kills, 90% of them being headshots, in a period of 20 minutes |
| 07:43.24 | Mitranim | Actually sniper is useless in UT2. |
| 07:43.26 | Corrodias | of course, people had mods that put it into 2k3, but you had to get it |
| 07:43.37 | Corrodias | *one |
| 07:43.44 | Mitranim | Lightning is MUCH better, especially with that splash lightning. |
| 07:44.30 | Arrowmaster | nah im a true sniper, i dont like people knowing where im shooting from |
| 07:44.39 | Mitranim | Anyways, the default weaponry is nothing compared to Ballistic. |
| 07:45.02 | Mitranim | But what do you do when one of them jumps on you from behind? |
| 07:45.20 | Mitranim | Sniper rifle has ridiculous swithing time. |
| 07:45.22 | Corrodias | show him your yaranaika face? |
| 07:45.32 | Arrowmaster | i had everything hotkeyed to swap |
| 07:45.42 | Mitranim | By the time you swap it or make a second shot, you're dead. |
| 07:45.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | thank you Corrodias |
| 07:45.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | for bringing up the lovely yaranaika |
| 07:45.58 | Mitranim | Of course you did, but it took just too long. |
| 07:46.09 | Corrodias | np. |
| 07:46.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have a hunter named yaranaika |
| 07:46.46 | Mitranim | What's it? |
| 07:46.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | google it :p |
| 07:47.09 | Mitranim | "ÐагÑгли", heh? :) |
| 07:47.17 | Corrodias | you probably won't get good info about it with google. hang on |
| 07:47.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | the first 2 results are good |
| 07:48.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | the wikipedia one is very professional |
| 07:48.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuso_Miso_Technique |
| 07:48.18 | Corrodias | http://lurkmore.com/wiki/Memes |
| 07:49.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to put this on my wall |
| 07:49.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Kusomisotechnique.jpg |
| 07:49.43 | Mitranim | How dusguisting. |
| 07:49.44 | Corrodias | woo |
| 07:50.49 | Mitranim | What is the fun to this? ( |
| 07:51.06 | Corrodias | putting those faces on things? lots of fun |
| 07:51.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus it's funny if you're demented like corr or me |
| 07:51.48 | Mitranim | I don't get it. I usually withdraw from anything abominable. |
| 07:52.16 | Corrodias | well anyway, at least my response to your question about sniping makes sense |
| 07:52.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | Corrodias |
| 07:52.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5929/1212141206629uw7.jpg |
| 07:52.38 | Mitranim | Ah, that's like that "Surprise" thingy? |
| 07:52.57 | Mitranim | |""|_(0-0)_|""| |
| 07:53.16 | Corrodias | rofl! |
| 07:53.30 | Corrodias | fukken saved. |
| 07:53.32 | Mitranim | A widespread "ÐÑевед" meme in Russian internet. |
| 07:54.21 | Mitranim | What's this about? |
| 07:54.35 | Corrodias | i don't know; i don't understand russians |
| 07:54.48 | Mitranim | What's this picture about? |
| 07:55.18 | Mitranim | Heck, I'm Russian. |
| 07:55.36 | Corrodias | oh, that's a scene from DragonBall Z, except with what i'd call "yaranaika faces" on it |
| 07:55.48 | Corrodias | lacking a better word for them |
| 07:55.55 | Mitranim | Ah. =) |
| 07:56.19 | Mitranim | But how "yaranaika" is translated? |
| 07:56.50 | Corrodias | according to wikipedia, "Well then, shall we do it?" |
| 07:58.45 | Mitranim | I like it more and more. |
| 07:59.13 | Mitranim | Lest I go insane like tou two. |
| 08:00.02 | Corrodias | well, i have an interest in some things you'd probably find quite odd |
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| 08:04.11 | Mitranim | Heh, scrolling the chat up, I've found that as much as four to fire people left this channel upon mentioning of "yaranaika", three of them immediately. :-) |
| 08:05.08 | Cairenn | purely coincidence - it's 4am on the east coast of North America right now, 1am on the west coast |
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| 08:05.25 | Cairenn | plus people just timing out, etc |
| 08:05.43 | Lukian | Mitranim they are all timeouts :p |
| 08:06.04 | Mitranim | Sigh. |
| 08:06.49 | sylvanaar | 4am =( |
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| 08:10.39 | Mitranim | Since this is UI channel, can I request some advice on that? |
| 08:10.58 | Cairenn | you can ask, hopefully someone can help |
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| 08:11.47 | Mitranim | I need to create an options frame in Interface menu. I have Blizz templates and Dominos code before my eyes. |
| 08:12.07 | Mitranim | But sadly, I don't quite get all this functions. |
| 08:12.45 | Mitranim | What is needed the first, what is optional etc.. |
| 08:13.48 | Mitranim | As far as I understand, the first thing we need is to create a frame. |
| 08:14.05 | Mitranim | Then we need to register it as options panel. |
| 08:14.43 | Mitranim | And fill it with actual options -- checkboxes etc.. |
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| 08:16.21 | Mitranim | I roughly understand the means of creating widgets. But what do we need to link them with the things that addon does? |
| 08:17.12 | wereHamster | what does your addon do? and how would you like to link it with the widgets (called frames in wow) |
| 08:19.39 | Mitranim | I'm making a combination of roughly a dozen different small addons like Tekkub's "random crap". Some of them respond to events, and some create or modify UI elements. |
| 08:20.23 | Mitranim | I need at first to create checkboxes to switch some elements off if needed. |
| 08:21.22 | Mitranim | For example, I'm going to include some variation of double-widened quest log, and want to have an option which can return normal quest log. |
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| 08:40.48 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1325/ |
| 08:44.24 | Mitranim | Wow. |
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| 08:45.16 | Mitranim | The dictionary says that "foetus" is correct. (At least for british english.) |
| 08:46.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | us english is fetus |
| 08:47.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | we either did away with or never added almost all of the "oe"s and "ae"s |
| 08:48.18 | Mitranim | Though practical and rightly, it always seemed a bit odd to me. |
| 08:49.23 | Mitranim | On the one hand, making language more phonetically adequate is good. |
| 08:49.44 | Tekkub | feedus would work |
| 08:49.50 | Mitranim | On the other hand, one could want to stick to tradition. |
| 08:50.00 | Tekkub | feetis |
| 08:50.39 | Mitranim | feetos? |
| 08:52.50 | Mitranim | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/first.html |
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| 10:22.14 | zespri | can you advance a trade skill past 300 while you are still under lvl 60? |
| 10:25.16 | rane_ | yes |
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| 10:29.41 | zespri | thanks |
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| 10:50.12 | rane_ | how do i check if combat log event's target is in my party or raid? |
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| 10:51.27 | rane_ | having hard time understanding this http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitFlag |
| 10:59.05 | zenzio | I could be remembering wrong, but I think you'd do something like this: if (bit.band(<some unit flag>, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFLICTION_MASK) == COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFLICTION_RAID) then -- unit is in your raid |
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| 12:04.57 | Hirsute | Okay, so I've got a frame registered for the ADDON_LOADED event, with the following for it's OnEvent script: |
| 12:04.59 | Hirsute | myFrame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(name, event, addon) |
| 12:05.01 | Hirsute | if addon=="Blizzard_AuctionUI" and event=="ADDON_LOADED" then |
| 12:05.02 | Hirsute | myFrame:Show() |
| 12:05.05 | Hirsute | AuctionFrame:SecureHook("OnShow", function () return myFrame:Show() end) |
| 12:05.07 | Hirsute | end |
| 12:05.08 | Hirsute | end) |
| 12:05.32 | Hirsute | When I open the AH for the first time, though, I get an "attempt to call field "SecureHook" (a nil value)" error. Anyone notice why that would be? |
| 12:07.29 | Gnarfoz | I'd say because SecureHook is not a method of AuctionFrame? |
| 12:07.59 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. It *should* be, though, at least I was fairly certain it should be.... |
| 12:08.31 | Gnarfoz | why would it be? |
| 12:09.01 | Gnarfoz | also, I think there's a separate securehookscript() thingy for frame scripts, or was that just with ace2/3? |
| 12:09.29 | haste | don't paste lots on IRC, and it's :HookScript you are after |
| 12:11.17 | Hirsute | haste: Sorry, and thank you! |
| 12:11.44 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Not sure about securehookscript(), I've never heard of that one before. |
| 12:12.34 | Gnarfoz | what haste said, I guess :> |
| 12:12.59 | Gnarfoz | it's rather unlikely you'll be in combat at an auction NPC, anyway ^^ |
| 12:14.20 | Hirsute | Yep, that did it. Thanks much! |
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| 12:25.38 | _rane | i'm using SPELL_AURA_APPLIED event to trigget something but ran into problems when the same spell is reapplied before the buff fades |
| 12:26.05 | _rane | that won't be that event then |
| 12:27.06 | _rane | there* |
| 12:27.27 | _rane | any workarounds? |
| 12:29.32 | _rane | like, SPELL_AURA_REAPPLIED or something |
| 12:29.53 | Gnarfoz | wait for 2.4.3 |
| 12:30.02 | Gnarfoz | until then, there won't be such an event |
| 12:30.16 | Gnarfoz | sadly, it took blizzard 3+ years to put this in, but it's coming |
| 12:30.17 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 12:30.39 | _rane | so SPELL_AURA_REAPPLIED is coming in 2.4.3? |
| 12:31.04 | Gnarfoz | not called that, but an event for that event (hurrr...) is coming in 2.4.3 |
| 12:31.16 | Gnarfoz | I think it's SPELL_AURA_REFRESH or something |
| 12:31.20 | _rane | alright |
| 12:31.48 | _rane | i could probably use SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS but that would be ugly |
| 12:32.10 | Gnarfoz | won't work because there's no target info on SPELL_* events |
| 12:32.17 | Gnarfoz | err SPELL_CAST* |
| 12:33.09 | Gnarfoz | http://wowcompares.com/0438478/FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua?diff=2428278 <-- line 154 |
| 12:33.36 | Gnarfoz | mind you, those are the text parts used for the combatlog, I don't think the actual events are prefixed with ACTION_ |
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| 12:34.57 | _rane | :-( |
| 12:35.00 | zenzio | zomg pepster! |
| 12:35.09 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, good morning zenzelezz! |
| 12:35.22 | zenzio | :) |
| 12:35.47 | _rane | i guess i'll have to wait for 2.4.3 then |
| 12:42.06 | wereHamster | < Gnarfoz> won't work because there's no target info on SPELL_* events |
| 12:42.19 | wereHamster | it is in spell_cast_sent |
| 12:43.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah whatever, I'm not really well versed in this, I just know there's no target info on some of the cast events and no source info on some (or all) of the S_A_applied events |
| 12:43.09 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
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| 13:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | What is it with these girl wants boy forum posts. |
| 13:05.21 | Shirik | ? |
| 13:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475810567&sid=1 |
| 13:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475400765&sid=1 |
| 13:06.07 | Shirik | wtf |
| 13:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | Jeez, if I knew it was as easy as advertising on the WoW boards, huh? |
| 13:06.36 | Shirik | ah, it's actually advertising... naughty things ;) those links redirect |
| 13:06.54 | Gnarfoz | kind of obvious :\ |
| 13:07.00 | Gnarfoz | blahblah.cn? |
| 13:07.01 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 13:07.09 | Josh_Borke | ~failrik |
| 13:07.10 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 13:07.12 | Shirik | I take nothing for granted anymore |
| 13:07.19 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it is... it just amuses me anyway. I'm in a weird mood, let Shirik play with me! |
| 13:07.27 | Shirik | I just woke up :( |
| 13:07.59 | Josh_Borke | i'm jealous of the way you get to spend your just waking up time |
| 13:08.02 | Josh_Borke | playing with Lopeppeppy and all |
| 13:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, flattery gets you everywhere first thing in the morning! |
| 13:12.52 | malreth | morning playing is the best, honestly |
| 13:13.06 | Lopeppeppy | Tease. |
| 13:13.49 | Shirik | "The numbers on the authenticator are randomly generated using a specific algorithm" |
| 13:13.52 | Shirik | what's wrong with this statement |
| 13:14.11 | Shirik | "randomly" and "algorithm" are mutually exclusive >.> |
| 13:14.17 | Lopeppeppy | It's not random if it's specific, IMO |
| 13:14.32 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy wins |
| 13:15.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! What's the prize? |
| 13:15.21 | malreth | they should have said, "The numbers on the authenticator are generated using a cryptographically sound pseudo-random number generator..." or something to that effect |
| 13:15.51 | malreth | but then Joe Q. Sixpack says, "pfft... it's only 'pseudo-random'" |
| 13:16.58 | zenzio | I never understood the Joe Sixpack name... like 90% of all Americans are more like Joe Barrel-about-to-burst |
| 13:17.07 | Mikk | ^ |
| 13:17.43 | malreth | so, we rewrite it thusly: "The numbers on the authenticator are generated using maths that you could never hope to understand, dickwad. It's fucking secure." |
| 13:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 13:18.03 | zenzio | snarks... now that was the coolest weapon in Half-Life |
| 13:18.15 | malreth | well you tell people "fucking" anything they'll fucking believe it |
| 13:18.29 | Mikk | Or you say "using a Linear Congruency Pseudo-Random Number Generator" |
| 13:18.33 | Mikk | and people think "ooooo fancy words" |
| 13:18.36 | krka | there are randomized algorithms though |
| 13:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oooo |
| 13:18.54 | krka | there is nothing that says an algorithm can't take advantage of random numbers |
| 13:19.17 | malreth | the serial number is likely random-ish |
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| 13:19.50 | Mikk | no krka but the output from said algorithm will not be random given a known input |
| 13:20.01 | Mikk | it is very reproducible =) |
| 13:20.17 | krka | unless the algorithm is randomized |
| 13:20.22 | malreth | in fact, the output *can't* be random... it must be deterministic for a security token to work |
| 13:21.53 | krka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomized_algorithm |
| 13:21.56 | Mikk | i think you'd be horrified if you knew how many tards there are out there that take a supposedly-secure cryptosuit and feed it the equivalent of math.random |
| 13:22.21 | Shirik | well krka, I don't consider it random |
| 13:22.26 | Shirik | it's very deterministic |
| 13:22.30 | Shirik | you just need to know the key |
| 13:22.36 | krka | it? |
| 13:22.43 | Shirik | the blizzard authenticator |
| 13:22.51 | krka | for the record, i am mostly arguing against this statement: <@Shirik> "randomly" and "algorithm" are mutually exclusive >.> |
| 13:22.56 | Shirik | oh :) |
| 13:23.03 | zespri | I worked with SecureId authentication tokens there is no magic about it. One way hash function of the secret number and current time, secret numbers are stored on the server and has one to one relationship with the token serial |
| 13:23.23 | Shirik | ! That's what my mom uses |
| 13:23.29 | Shirik | I remember now, it says SecureId on it |
| 13:24.08 | malreth | meeting times! |
| 13:24.09 | Shirik | though it also said "RSA" on it, so... |
| 13:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | SecureID is very common. |
| 13:24.36 | Shirik | oh... http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1156 |
| 13:25.02 | zespri | SecureId are owned by RSA i thinkg |
| 13:25.16 | zespri | and by RSA i don;t mean the algorythm but comapny |
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| 13:29.16 | Shirik | that's kinda awesome though |
| 13:29.27 | Shirik | I'm going to get one of those fobs just because I want to |
| 13:30.46 | Lopeppeppy | You're the bestest geek ever. :) |
| 13:31.04 | wereHamster | the blizzard authenticator? What is it used for? |
| 13:31.30 | ag` | logging in? :P |
| 13:32.01 | Shirik | as a replacement to having a password |
| 13:32.08 | Mikk | zespri: the magic about securid is how the server detects the clock drift in the tokens =) |
| 13:32.22 | Mikk | cause the token clocks suck ass! =) |
| 13:32.24 | Shirik | preferably, it would be in addition to the password, like how my mom's work |
| 13:32.46 | Shirik | Mikk: Are they really that bad? I assume they use a tuned xtal, which shouldn't be TOO far off. Though it will add up over time |
| 13:32.56 | Mikk | it does add up over time |
| 13:33.16 | Mikk | it's fairly common knowledge that if you dont use a token for long enough, it'll drift far enough that the server refuses to accept it |
| 13:33.20 | Shirik | I wonder if it allows a "bracket" |
| 13:33.27 | Mikk | it does |
| 13:33.28 | Shirik | and then resyncs each time you log in |
| 13:33.29 | Shirik | ah |
| 13:33.31 | Mikk | yea |
| 13:33.40 | Shirik | that's how I'd do it |
| 13:33.46 | wereHamster | will blizz use secureid in wotlk? |
| 13:33.51 | Mikk | doubt it |
| 13:33.58 | Mikk | it'd require a physical token out @ every user |
| 13:34.09 | Mikk | though there's software tokens too |
| 13:34.12 | Shirik | it's optional, according to their post http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=24660 |
| 13:34.16 | Mikk | e.g. java apps that you can run in your cellphone |
| 13:34.39 | Mikk | oh |
| 13:34.43 | Mikk | they ARE going with a physical device |
| 13:34.45 | Mikk | cool stuff |
| 13:35.08 | Shirik | you have to buy it though |
| 13:35.14 | Shirik | so they aren't sending them out to 10 million people :P |
| 13:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | That's.... an interesting way to counter hacking. |
| 13:35.50 | Mikk | idd |
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| 13:35.57 | Mikk | i'd like a java one for my phone pl0x |
| 13:36.07 | Shirik | it's very effective, and why my mom uses it :) Since she works for FINRA, having access to a lot of sensitive stuff, if she wants to log in from home, they need to be absolutely sure it's her :) |
| 13:36.20 | Shirik | So when she logs in, she has to type in both the number on the fob and her password |
| 13:36.24 | Mikk | bah, two factor security :P |
| 13:36.32 | wereHamster | $6.50 for the secureid device isn't much IMO |
| 13:36.33 | Mikk | real security nutters use three factor! |
| 13:36.41 | Mikk | (something you know, something you have, something you are) |
| 13:36.51 | Shirik | ok Mikk, it also has to be a registered laptop with the office :) |
| 13:36.58 | Shirik | though that can be spoofed |
| 13:37.04 | Mikk | still only 2factor =) |
| 13:37.05 | Shirik | maybe |
| 13:37.07 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 13:37.24 | Shirik | it's probably a cert on the laptop or something |
| 13:37.28 | Mikk | prolly yeah |
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| 13:37.43 | Shirik | I tried to get her into the office on our home computer and it yelled at me :( |
| 13:37.50 | Mikk | hehe |
| 13:37.57 | Mikk | yeah you shouldnt really |
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| 13:38.05 | Mikk | HOPEFULLY she isnt downloading pron exes on that laptop |
| 13:38.11 | Shirik | lol no |
| 13:38.14 | Mikk | god knows what happens with home computers :P |
| 13:38.26 | Mikk | actually.. i know what happens to them all too often :S |
| 13:38.59 | Mikk | the kid gets an email saying "having problems accessing pron sites? download this program!" |
| 13:39.04 | Mikk | kid goes "zomg tits" |
| 13:39.07 | Mikk | and hey presto |
| 13:39.38 | Mitranim | Somebody please tell me one thing. I know we can create frames with "CreateFrame(blahblah)". But how can we destroy those frames? |
| 13:39.43 | Mikk | we cannot |
| 13:39.47 | Mikk | all we can do is hide them |
| 13:40.05 | Mitranim | Hmm. Thanks. |
| 13:40.19 | Shirik | can never destroy a frame |
| 13:40.22 | Shirik | they exist for all eternity |
| 13:40.39 | Shirik | so don't use CreateFrame in OnUpdate >.> |
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| 13:41.47 | wereHamster | function myOnUpdate(self) f=CreateFrame("Frame"); f:SetScript("OnUpdate", self:GetScript("OnUpdate")); end |
| 13:42.49 | Mitranim | I'm messing around with DoubleWide code. I've decided to increase QUESTS_DISPLAYED to 8 rather than widen quest log. I want to make a function which will toggle QUESTS_DISPLAYED between 6 and 8. |
| 13:43.16 | Mitranim | This is easy done, but what with buttons? |
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| 13:43.47 | Mitranim | If we increase QUESTS_DISPLAYED, we must create two buttons using "QuestLogTitleButtonTemplate". |
| 13:44.15 | Mitranim | When we switch QUESTS_DISPLAYED back to 6, how do we hide those two extra buttons? |
| 13:44.45 | wereHamster | :Hide() |
| 13:45.29 | Mitranim | Mm, but how to specify which frame to hide? |
| 13:45.52 | Mitranim | Button creation looks like this: |
| 13:45.54 | Mitranim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.56 | Mitranim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.57 | Mitranim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.58 | Mitranim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.00 | Mitranim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.01 | Mitranim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.03 | Mitranim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.06 | wereHamster | pastey please |
| 13:46.17 | wereHamster | (next time) |
| 13:46.34 | Mitranim | Mm? |
| 13:46.45 | wereHamster | link in the topic |
| 13:46.57 | wereHamster | paste code there and not into this irc channel |
| 13:47.05 | Mitranim | Oh, okay. |
| 13:47.38 | wereHamster | CreateFrame("Button", "QuestLogTitle" .. i, ...) <- you gave the frame a name, you can access it through it |
| 13:47.54 | wereHamster | QuestLogTitle7:Hide() |
| 13:48.43 | Mitranim | So ' "QuestLogTitle" .. i ' means that the name will be "QuestLogTitlei"? |
| 13:49.19 | wereHamster | no, the name depends on the variable 'i' |
| 13:49.44 | wereHamster | if i=1 then the name will be QuestLogTitle1 etc. |
| 13:49.54 | Mitranim | I mean exactly that. |
| 13:50.32 | wereHamster | maybe you meant that, but you didn't write it ;) |
| 13:50.37 | Mitranim | So, should it look then: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90113 ? |
| 13:50.49 | wereHamster | no |
| 13:51.12 | Mitranim | What is wrong? |
| 13:51.46 | wereHamster | see it this way: How is Lua supposed to know that it should replace the 'i' in QuestLogTitlei with the number in the variable 'i'? |
| 13:52.27 | Mitranim | I dunno. Maybe Lua knows that "QuestLogTitle" is supposed to have variable after it? |
| 13:53.12 | wereHamster | you are expecting quite a lot from a programing language |
| 13:53.16 | wereHamster | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90114 |
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| 13:54.11 | Drexore | that would work, given that the object referenced exists, otherwise you would get an error message |
| 13:55.28 | Mitranim | Well, I expect en error here only if there are already not 6 and not 8 QUESTS_DISPLAYED. |
| 13:55.44 | Mitranim | Maybe make that function smarter... |
| 13:56.34 | Drexore | code defenise, test for nil |
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| 13:57.07 | Drexore | code defensive, i meant to type (had a brain fart) |
| 13:57.26 | Mitranim | Currently it's going to look like http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90117 |
| 13:57.54 | wereHamster | Drexore: bad advise. Better to know the code then to code defensively |
| 13:57.56 | Mitranim | Oh wait, there's a misprint. |
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| 13:58.15 | Mitranim | What is defensive coding? |
| 13:58.34 | wereHamster | checking for nil everywhere etc |
| 14:00.03 | Mitranim | Hmm. How it's supposed to look like? |
| 14:00.13 | wereHamster | Mitranim: if you call QuestLogIncrease() three times, it will create the QuestLogTitle7/8 frames twice. You need to check whether the frames already exist or not |
| 14:01.11 | Mitranim | Good advice, I'll try. |
| 14:01.16 | wereHamster | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90120 |
| 14:01.30 | Drexore | Knowing the code is fine, but coding defensively is not bad advise. you never know what other addons are doing that could cause different behaviour. |
| 14:02.22 | Mitranim | Sounds reasonable. |
| 14:04.17 | wereHamster | ~pil |
| 14:04.18 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 14:04.22 | wereHamster | this ^^^ |
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| 14:05.13 | Mitranim | Yeah, I look in there often. But it's so boring, I hardly manage to force myself do this. :-( |
| 14:06.26 | Mitranim | Guess I need to read it more to avoid stupid questions. |
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| 14:16.49 | wereHamster | Mitranim: either you force yourself, or we will force you |
| 14:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr |
| 14:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | Doesnt' work on dinos. :) |
| 14:17.53 | Mitranim | Well, then... |
| 14:18.26 | Lopeppeppy | Buh-bye! |
| 14:18.30 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
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| 14:19.55 | Shirik | Mitranim: pil is not a reference |
| 14:20.04 | Shirik | for someone like you, pil is optimal |
| 14:20.29 | Mitranim | I meant that I read both PIL and Lua reference. |
| 14:20.40 | Shirik | the refman is a reference, and while it is the definitive source of information, it's also only readable by people whom are experienced with technical documentation |
| 14:20.44 | Mitranim | Reference manual, that's it. |
| 14:22.16 | Shirik | omg |
| 14:22.30 | Shirik | one of our BE male paladins looks like a male BE in real life... |
| 14:22.37 | Lopeppeppy | .... /wrist |
| 14:22.56 | Shirik | he looks just as cocky as he acts too |
| 14:24.29 | krka | nothing wrong with male be! |
| 14:24.51 | Shirik | lol... |
| 14:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing right with 'em either. Never was partial to blondes..... |
| 14:25.28 | Mitranim | You are right. What really bothers me is the incredible number of males who play [b]female[/b] characters, especially BEs. |
| 14:25.32 | Shirik | anyway, off to take a shower and get ready for class |
| 14:25.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:25.43 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. Have some fun in class, dear. |
| 14:27.31 | Mitranim | I just want to know who the player is by looking at theirs character. |
| 14:27.55 | Lopeppeppy | That will never happen, Mitranim. |
| 14:27.59 | |Jelly| | Don't people play games like this to get away from real life? |
| 14:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | Even if I roll a character that looks EXACTLY like me, my minor child can play it if I allow them to. Hence.... |
| 14:28.16 | krka | it all boils down to: do you want to look at a males butt or a womans butt for /played hours? |
| 14:28.30 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
| 14:28.38 | Lopeppeppy | The hair from behind is very important to me. |
| 14:28.51 | Mitranim | I prefer the first, just because it's the same gender that I am. |
| 14:29.41 | Mitranim | I refuse to get why people like to play by the character of another gender. |
| 14:29.42 | krka | right, i'm sure that's your reason |
| 14:30.19 | Mitranim | That's improper in some way. |
| 14:30.35 | |Jelly| | You refuse to get? ... sounds like that's an issue that you're going to have for a long time and stubbornness will never let you see the other side of the coin. |
| 14:30.37 | Mitranim | After all, this <i>is</i> an RPG. |
| 14:30.55 | Thunder_Child | Mitranim, there are many ways of roleplaying |
| 14:31.14 | krka | i am just /roll playing |
| 14:31.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart krka |
| 14:31.23 | purl | changes krka's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 14:31.26 | Mitranim | Rofl playin' |
| 14:31.43 | krka | also, if you play as a female, you get free stuff |
| 14:32.00 | Thunder_Child | free advances |
| 14:32.10 | Lopeppeppy | krka.... not always true, be careful what you wish for, as Thunder_Child says. |
| 14:32.11 | Atriace | touch? |
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| 14:33.28 | |Jelly| | BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH! |
| 14:34.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yup |
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| 14:41.31 | Shirik|AFK | Mitranim: I happen to enjoy roleplaying a girl :) I should show you some of my posts from back in my days of RF |
| 14:41.39 | Shirik|AFK | they all knew I was a guy, we talked on vent |
| 14:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer NOT to RP a girl. Ugh. Let me be a boy sometimes! And for the longest time in WoW, everyone believed my secondary character was played by my RL son.... |
| 14:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | That was hilarious, when I finally disabused people of that idea. |
| 14:43.12 | Mitranim | It happens that I RPd a girl too... in another MMORPG... |
| 14:43.23 | Mitranim | How'd I forget? |
| 14:43.42 | Lopeppeppy | See? |
| 14:43.49 | Mitranim | Well, then I can understand you. |
| 14:44.18 | Mitranim | But I would still object on this. |
| 14:44.19 | Lopeppeppy | I sometimes hated playing Peppy, she was so cute and got hit on constantly. My paladin... oh, such peace and quiet. They only hit on me for my healing skills. |
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| 14:44.31 | cncfanatics | who maintains JWoWUpdater ? |
| 14:44.39 | cncfanatics | it throws a divide by zero error during launch on linux |
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| 14:46.25 | Shirik|AFK | here we go, post 449 http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86628&page=45&pp=10 |
| 14:46.30 | Shirik|AFK | one of my better posts |
| 14:47.15 | Shirik|AFK | you probably won't understand everything that's going on there because it's an ongoing story, but you get the idea |
| 14:48.38 | Shirik|AFK | and I'm so going to be late |
| 14:48.39 | Shirik|AFK | bye :) |
| 14:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | A Peppy/Kirwan sharing. http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=163155&ForumID=798740&TabID=1382364&TopicID=4735515 |
| 14:54.28 | Mitranim | Let's see... |
| 14:58.45 | Mitranim | Oh god. So this is how RP forums look like? |
| 14:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | Some of them. Mine haven't been maintained in a long while. And different forums are maintained differently and run by different rules. |
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| 15:06.19 | Thunder_Child | "Blizzard Account Authenticator" Seirously, wtf. thats just sad |
| 15:06.42 | wereHamster | why sad? |
| 15:06.46 | Lopeppeppy | Just another way to try to keep the hackers out of business, IMO, if you're talking about the secureid thing. |
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| 15:07.16 | Gnarfoz | probably doesn't know how it works and by how much it really increases security |
| 15:07.18 | Thunder_Child | because if you take just a little precaution you dont need it |
| 15:07.41 | cncfanatics | Thunder_Child: some idiots are incapable of doing that |
| 15:07.50 | cncfanatics | don't forget a lot of idiots play WoW, thats for them :p |
| 15:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree with you, Thunder_Child. However, there's nothing wrong with multilayer security. |
| 15:08.26 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, no, nothing wrong with more security, however, this is a game |
| 15:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | Think of all of the restorations Bliz will save themselves by selling a $7 secureid |
| 15:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | It's a cost-effective offering. :) |
| 15:09.57 | ZealotOnAStick | As far as the "security for the careless/idiots" thing . . . |
| 15:10.16 | ZealotOnAStick | I just see this as all too prone to "Oh crap, my wife has my keys" or whatever, and being unable to log in. |
| 15:10.38 | Gnarfoz | that's not a security problem, though. |
| 15:11.11 | Thunder_Child | i assume it's going to be a numeric code? |
| 15:11.19 | Lopeppeppy | That's a personal issue, ZealotOnAStick. |
| 15:11.21 | Gnarfoz | yes? |
| 15:11.27 | Gnarfoz | it's a RSA SecurID by all chances |
| 15:11.29 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, are you familiar with SecureID? |
| 15:11.38 | Lopeppeppy | That's what it sounds like they're using. |
| 15:12.05 | ZealotOnAStick | I can't really see it being RSA, not for that price. |
| 15:12.08 | krka | i think the people who need it are the ones who won't get it though |
| 15:12.26 | Lopeppeppy | krka -- darwin will sort them out. :) |
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| 15:12.32 | Thunder_Child | then your only looking at 1 milion logons before you need another |
| 15:12.32 | krka | i think it's just a dongle with a unique secret key and a counter |
| 15:12.50 | Gnarfoz | krka: which is exactly what a SecurID is ;> |
| 15:13.00 | krka | sure, but you don't need to pay RSA to make one |
| 15:13.15 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 15:13.26 | Gnarfoz | s/is a/works like a/ :> |
| 15:14.28 | erikd | i'd be willing to buy a securid to protect my account |
| 15:14.43 | erikd | with the amount of time i spend playing it's worth it :) |
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| 15:15.09 | Gnarfoz | that's probably going to be the reasoning of most people getting one |
| 15:15.15 | krka | i am just going to assume that the hackers won't target linux boxes and that i am not stupid to download random trojans |
| 15:15.42 | Gnarfoz | try drive-by flash exploits working on linux, w00t |
| 15:15.53 | Gnarfoz | it's not like it's unpossible :> |
| 15:17.02 | ZealotOnAStick | Anyone have any suggestions on a good low-resource intensive capable windows text editor? |
| 15:17.27 | ZealotOnAStick | I've used UltraEdit before, and like it, but it seems to use far more resources (at least on this machine at work with Vista) then I expected. |
| 15:17.45 | Thunder_Child | like notepad? |
| 15:18.08 | ZealotOnAStick | capable. featured. |
| 15:18.26 | ZealotOnAStick | I want a text editor, Notepad only barely qualifies. |
| 15:19.15 | Hirsute | I like gvim, jEdit... |
| 15:19.25 | Thunder_Child | i use notepad++ actually |
| 15:19.55 | Thunder_Child | or word |
| 15:20.13 | dylanm | Emacs. Vim. |
| 15:21.21 | Seerah | Notepad++ for coding, OpenOffice for everything else |
| 15:21.27 | Thunder_Child | you know, i think the backdrop for blizz's new splash page should rotate through all of the games just to screw with peoples minds. |
| 15:21.34 | Seerah | hehe |
| 15:22.14 | Cide | nah |
| 15:22.24 | Cide | that would make it obvious that they're not trying to reveal a specific game |
| 15:22.26 | Cide | as it is now |
| 15:22.33 | erikd | yeah, i use notepad++ for quick edits and ultraedit for the stuff I'm digging into |
| 15:22.34 | Cide | everyone is speculating about EVERYTHING |
| 15:22.42 | Cide | with a rotating background, there'd be less speculation |
| 15:22.53 | dylanm | I have a preference for Emacs but that's a big old argument. |
| 15:22.56 | Thunder_Child | Cide, how is that? |
| 15:23.04 | Thunder_Child | it would have every game |
| 15:23.08 | Cide | yes |
| 15:23.19 | Cide | and because of that, people would settle with "ok, we won't know which game it's gonna be" |
| 15:23.28 | Thunder_Child | we dont know now |
| 15:23.31 | Cide | now, they're like "it's diablo 3!!!" NO, THOSE EYES TOTALLY LOOK LIKE A ZEALOT" |
| 15:23.50 | Cide | no, but now people can speculate :P |
| 15:24.08 | Cide | instead of settling, they're all thinking their own things and arguing with each other |
| 15:24.08 | krka | a bunch of runes on that splash |
| 15:24.11 | Thunder_Child | pfft, people will speculate on anything |
| 15:24.34 | Thunder_Child | OMG dirt in the desert, it must be XXXXX! |
| 15:24.36 | erikd | one of the guys last night said something to the tune of "it's been confirmed by inside sources at diabloii.net and you can see the eyes on the picture!" ... because NOBODY else has eyes but diablo |
| 15:24.39 | Cide | aye |
| 15:24.43 | krka | it's obviously a wotlk-splash |
| 15:24.44 | erikd | err, guys in my guild* |
| 15:24.44 | Maldivia | Blizzard - the masters of creating conspiracy theorists... |
| 15:24.46 | krka | icefield? runes? |
| 15:24.47 | Tain | It's Rock N Roll Racing 3 |
| 15:24.55 | Cide | krka: I disagree. wotlk has already been announced |
| 15:25.08 | krka | why does this have to be something unannounced? |
| 15:25.13 | Tain | Because they said it's a new game. |
| 15:25.14 | erikd | it'd be interesting if it was a completely new franchise and everyone was wrong :) |
| 15:25.20 | Cide | rob pardo made a statement saying they're announcing a new game |
| 15:25.25 | krka | ooh, where? |
| 15:25.26 | Cide | blizzard is pretty good at misdirection, too |
| 15:25.32 | Cide | don't know the exact source, sec |
| 15:25.41 | krka | did they say they'd put a related splash on their front page? |
| 15:25.57 | Cide | "So you want me to announce the game before our announcement?" he said. "No offense, but I think there's like 300 people here, and I'll be ripped apart by 8000 people there [at the Invitational] if I pre-announce it - but it's going to be really exciting. I think everybody here will be really excited about the announcement." |
| 15:26.03 | Lopeppeppy | I bet it's.... World of World of Warcraft! |
| 15:26.15 | Maldivia | krka: well, they did have the splashes for SC2 |
| 15:26.17 | Cide | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/blizzard-to-unveil-new-title-at-worldwide-invitational |
| 15:26.19 | Snago | WoWoW would rock! |
| 15:26.19 | Hirsute | That and some of the runes are pulled from their other games, so... it's interesting to think about, but I'm not speculating. |
| 15:26.25 | Thunder_Child | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/june/splashfinal2.jpg |
| 15:26.47 | Cide | doesn't look like lich king's eyes |
| 15:26.57 | krka | nice analysis |
| 15:27.08 | Lopeppeppy | Someone had a great time designing this splash to engage all of the conspiracy theorists. |
| 15:27.09 | Thunder_Child | i still see zelot eyes tbo |
| 15:27.16 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: exactly! |
| 15:27.18 | Cide | that's the point |
| 15:27.24 | krka | I think it's "Universe of Blizzard Games" |
| 15:27.41 | Maldivia | btw, anyoen know who did the evil penguin drawing? didnt recognize the signature |
| 15:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, you can play zerg in the Stormwind Canal District! |
| 15:27.43 | Snago | It's The lost world of Starcraft!! |
| 15:27.47 | Cide | World of Diablarcraft imo |
| 15:27.54 | cog|work | ~lart "recognize" |
| 15:27.54 | purl | whips out a sword and chops "recognize" in half |
| 15:27.58 | Snago | Damn, forgot diablo |
| 15:28.12 | Cide | lost rock'n'roll world of diablarcraft |
| 15:28.19 | cog|work | any irssi gurus want to help me get cog to highlight only when it's the beginning of a word? |
| 15:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | Incognito! |
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| 15:29.01 | cog|work | I tried to name my rogue Incognitowheel but the In didn't fit :( |
| 15:29.10 | Cide | (?<![^ ])cog imo |
| 15:30.43 | Cide | everyone is so baffled at my regex skills, the conversation died. amazing |
| 15:30.55 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: I'd say the 4th rune is pax imperia, and not arcane sanctum |
| 15:31.01 | Cide | me too @ Maldivia |
| 15:31.09 | Cide | and not LK eyes |
| 15:31.10 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Imperia |
| 15:31.46 | Maldivia | still hoping for tyrael or diablo to be the eyes : |
| 15:32.12 | Cide | ayup |
| 15:32.18 | Cide | but honestly |
| 15:32.19 | DARKGuy | Maldivia: hell, pax imperia now is very true - I've never seen the game tho |
| 15:32.28 | Cide | "announcing" LK or SC2 |
| 15:32.29 | cog|work | lua> "recognize" |
| 15:32.29 | lua_bot | cog|work: recognize |
| 15:32.35 | Cide | would be a really stupid PR move |
| 15:32.42 | Cide | given the amount of hype the splash has built up |
| 15:32.44 | cog|work | lua> "cognize" |
| 15:32.44 | lua_bot | cog|work: cognize |
| 15:32.58 | Cide | you realize |
| 15:33.02 | cog|work | lua> "(?<![^ ])cog" |
| 15:33.02 | lua_bot | cog|work: (?<![^ ])cog |
| 15:33.03 | Cide | it says "cog|work" in the beginning :P |
| 15:33.15 | cog|work | Cide: it hilights the portion that it would ping about too |
| 15:33.19 | Cide | ah |
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| 15:33.25 | Cide | does it workz? |
| 15:33.32 | cog|work | nope :( |
| 15:33.38 | Cide | does irssi do regexes? |
| 15:33.44 | cog|work | i dunno |
| 15:33.48 | krka | blizzard is awesome at generating hype :( |
| 15:33.51 | Cide | pretty sure that regex is correct |
| 15:33.53 | Cide | krka: aye |
| 15:33.58 | Cide | but it would be stupid to do it for an already announced game |
| 15:34.03 | krka | true |
| 15:34.14 | krka | lost vikings 3d! |
| 15:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | Dungeon Keeper 4! |
| 15:34.47 | DARKGuy | !! |
| 15:34.53 | DARKGuy | Bullfrog made DK, not Blizz though |
| 15:35.11 | krka | blackthorne mmo, think about it |
| 15:35.14 | krka | i'd play it! |
| 15:35.19 | Maldivia | cide: agree, the splashes not being a reference to the new title would be a PR blooper |
| 15:35.37 | DARKGuy | krka: stop reading my mind :( |
| 15:35.55 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.57 | Cide | yep |
| 15:36.05 | Cide | I don't want another mmo |
| 15:36.21 | DARKGuy | You're addicted to WoW! |
| 15:36.25 | krka | blackthorne 3d cooperative adventure / action game |
| 15:36.27 | Cide | no, I don't play wow |
| 15:36.29 | Thunder_Child | Cide, yes you do, you jsut dont know it |
| 15:36.29 | erikd | what if it's just a splash for WWI? :) |
| 15:36.38 | DARKGuy | WWI? :o |
| 15:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | DarkGuy, work with the random generator here. |
| 15:36.39 | Cide | I prolly won't buy it if it's an mmo |
| 15:36.56 | Thunder_Child | World Wide Invitational |
| 15:36.58 | Cide | unless it's diablo, and it's diablo 2 gameplay but in a persistent world |
| 15:37.02 | DARKGuy | Lopeppeppy: lol okay I will ^^ |
| 15:37.51 | Gnarfoz | Blizz probably bought Maxis or whoever currently owns the rights to Spore |
| 15:37.51 | Gnarfoz | ;P |
| 15:38.03 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 15:38.07 | ZealotOnAStick | Spore is EA. |
| 15:38.10 | Thunder_Child | EA |
| 15:38.18 | ZealotOnAStick | I don't think even Blizzardvision has that kind of clout. |
| 15:38.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Aside from antitrust reviews, etc. |
| 15:38.37 | Thunder_Child | more like vivendivision |
| 15:38.41 | Hirsute | And BlizzEArdvision makes me shudder |
| 15:39.01 | Gnarfoz | mh |
| 15:39.03 | ZealotOnAStick | I also honestly, I think if someone started to try to aquire EA, they'd run in terror once Due Diligence was done. |
| 15:39.07 | Hirsute | World of Tony Hake ProSkater.... ick |
| 15:39.08 | Gnarfoz | right, Maxis belongs to EA :\ |
| 15:39.33 | Maldivia | you missed an r and a t... rEtArd vision... |
| 15:39.35 | ZealotOnAStick | I know too many people who either currently work for EA or have worked for EA. |
| 15:39.44 | cog|work | Cide: 1 (?<![^ ])cog -regexp [INVALID!] |
| 15:40.02 | ZealotOnAStick | Vivendivision sounds too much like some sort of obscure collegiate math operation. |
| 15:40.13 | Hirsute | s/Hake/Hawk/ |
| 15:40.16 | ZealotOnAStick | and they're being billed as "Blizzard Activision" |
| 15:40.35 | Thunder_Child | still, vivendi has the pants of the operation |
| 15:40.53 | Cide | cog|work: |
| 15:41.00 | Cide | >>> re.search("(?<![^ ])cog", "cogwheel") |
| 15:41.00 | Cide | <_sre.SRE_Match object at 0x010DF598> |
| 15:41.00 | Cide | >>> re.search("(?<![^ ])cog", "abccogwheel") |
| 15:41.02 | Cide | None |
| 15:41.12 | Cide | works fine in python :P |
| 15:41.51 | Lopeppeppy | orange |
| 15:41.55 | Cide | pretty sure negative lookbehind is pretty standard? |
| 15:42.06 | Cide | standard as for syntax |
| 15:42.08 | Cide | maybe it doesn't implement it |
| 15:42.20 | Cide | you could do |
| 15:42.26 | Maldivia | cog|work: look in the code... its open source afterall |
| 15:42.27 | Cide | [^ ]cog |
| 15:42.34 | dylanm | Maybe it uses Lua pattern syntax wooooo. |
| 15:42.36 | Cide | that won't catch lines beginning with cog |
| 15:42.47 | dylanm | Could just do an alternation then. |
| 15:42.48 | Cide | so you'd have to create another that's just "^cog" |
| 15:42.51 | Cide | aye |
| 15:43.03 | Cide | [^ ]cog|^cog |
| 15:43.19 | cog|work | wouldn't the first be anything but space? |
| 15:43.26 | Cide | err, ya |
| 15:43.35 | Cide | <space>cog|^cog |
| 15:43.55 | erikd | spacecog! |
| 15:44.09 | Gnarfoz | World of Spacecogs |
| 15:44.12 | cog|work | what's the placeholder for alpha or nonalpha? |
| 15:44.22 | Cide | differs a |
| 15:44.24 | Cide | differs a lot |
| 15:44.25 | cog|work | i would want to be pinged by "cog", e.g. |
| 15:44.34 | Cide | hm? |
| 15:44.41 | cog|work | or (cog |
| 15:44.44 | cog|work | or *cog |
| 15:44.45 | Cide | ah |
| 15:44.56 | Cide | [^a-zA-Z0-9]cog maybe |
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| 15:45.11 | Cide | though that would match "bar-cog" |
| 15:45.12 | cog|work | that works |
| 15:45.20 | Hirsute | But not by recognize, cognition, cogeners, etc? |
| 15:45.33 | Cide | maybe that case is too rare to matter :P |
| 15:45.39 | Cide | anyway |
| 15:45.41 | cog|work | i don't mind the latter two |
| 15:45.47 | Gnarfoz | cog* is fine, *cog* isn't, at least that's how I understood him |
| 15:45.49 | cog|work | no one ever uses those :P |
| 15:46.03 | cog|work | pretty much yeah |
| 15:46.04 | Cide | Gnarfoz: * matches 0 or more ;) |
| 15:46.05 | Thunder_Child | we will now |
| 15:46.20 | Cide | my original regex was pretty perfect |
| 15:46.29 | Gnarfoz | Cide: you probably figure I wasn't using regex syntax :p |
| 15:46.40 | Cide | well, you'd want [^ *-()] or whatever, if you wanted it to match specials |
| 15:46.47 | Cide | or [a-zA-Z0-9] |
| 15:46.57 | Cide | but still! |
| 15:47.22 | cog|work | can has test? |
| 15:47.26 | Cide | 09cog |
| 15:47.28 | Cide | cog |
| 15:47.30 | Cide | foocog |
| 15:47.33 | Cide | mooo cog |
| 15:47.36 | Hirsute | recog |
| 15:47.38 | Cide | cogwheel |
| 15:47.38 | Hirsute | cogener |
| 15:47.40 | Hirsute | cognate |
| 15:47.44 | _rane | cognac |
| 15:47.54 | Cide | I think cog* has been sufficiently tested |
| 15:47.54 | cog|work | put other words in front of cog___ |
| 15:47.59 | Cide | I did, twice |
| 15:48.09 | Cide | you stupid son of a cogwheel, you |
| 15:48.15 | Hirsute | I hope the cogeners don't give you a hangover |
| 15:48.19 | cog|work | whee |
| 15:48.28 | Cide | or a coglapse |
| 15:48.35 | Thunder_Child | in-cog-ruance |
| 15:48.52 | Cide | don't be so in-cog-herent |
| 15:48.56 | nevcairiel | you know, it really looks funny, if you just re-attach to the irc terminal and the first lines you see is this.. |
| 15:49.25 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: excellent addition to the discussion - well said |
| 15:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 15:49.34 | Cide | nevcairiel: wow, that IS fascinating. |
| 15:49.38 | Thunder_Child | s/orange/purple/ |
| 15:49.50 | nevcairiel | Cide: way better then the joghurt i am eating! |
| 15:49.51 | cog|work | ~poke nevcairiel |
| 15:49.51 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind nevcairiel, pokes nevcairiel repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 15:50.12 | Josh_Borke | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 15:50.12 | purl | offers nevcairiel some herring |
| 15:50.20 | nevcairiel | mmm herring |
| 15:50.29 | nevcairiel | i dont get that lart |
| 15:51.13 | Hirsute | Perhaps you're supposed to use it to cut down the largest tree in the forest? |
| 15:51.35 | Cide | it's supposed to say "purl offers nevcairiel some herring" |
| 15:51.46 | nevcairiel | it did say that |
| 15:51.53 | Cide | I know. I'm just messing with your head |
| 15:52.07 | Cide | or being bored |
| 15:52.18 | Thunder_Child | maybe it's meant to be "red herring" |
| 15:52.20 | Cide | and hungry |
| 15:52.33 | Cide | we all know the blue herring is superior |
| 15:52.38 | nevcairiel | i'm tired from the week, need sleeps |
| 15:52.45 | nevcairiel | and food |
| 15:52.54 | Cide | ok |
| 15:52.56 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, just got it, funny |
| 15:52.56 | Cide | this is insane |
| 15:53.03 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Heh. |
| 15:53.11 | Cide | Maldivia, have you followed the forum discussion at diablofans.com at all? |
| 15:54.59 | Cide | anyway, they're all insane |
| 15:55.05 | Cide | here's a post |
| 15:55.20 | nevcairiel | more insane as the wow forums? |
| 15:55.21 | Cide | My take is this. The panguine is evil for a reason. It was corupted by Diablos return. All the seals have gotten brighter over the days. As you opened the seals in the Chaos Santuary, they got brighter for a moment and when they were all opened, Diablo rises. The pentagram, to me is still in pattern with the seals in the splash. Diablo appears in the Pentagram in the game, just as this teaser seems to be doing. |
| 15:55.28 | Thunder_Child | so are the discussions on #wowuidev |
| 15:55.31 | Cide | Aslo the new seal is kinda simular to the Poison Nova symbol used by the Necromancer. There are slight variations, but I recall someone mentioning the Necro mabe playing a key part in the next D.Ya some seals have nothing to do with Diablo.but thats not really the point here. |
| 15:56.00 | nevcairiel | they showed seals/runes of alot of blizzard games |
| 15:56.12 | Cide | but thats nto really the point here! |
| 15:56.13 | nevcairiel | also the ice looks still lich-king'ish to me |
| 15:56.13 | Stanzilla | http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6638/d3cu7.jpg < that looks nice |
| 15:56.27 | Cide | aye |
| 15:56.29 | Cide | prolly fake tho |
| 15:56.50 | Stanzilla | yes but looks nice |
| 15:57.16 | Josh_Borke | hm, given today's picture, i could see it being maybe SC2 |
| 15:57.23 | Cide | it won't be |
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| 15:57.34 | Cide | why are they announcing a game they already did a splaher for, with a splasher? |
| 15:57.38 | Cide | splasher |
| 15:57.41 | nevcairiel | to mess with us |
| 15:57.50 | Cide | that would be horrible pr |
| 15:57.51 | Cide | HORRIBLE |
| 15:58.04 | nevcairiel | we were talking about that thing for the last week |
| 15:58.06 | nevcairiel | imho it worked |
| 15:58.07 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:58.18 | Cide | it creates hype |
| 15:58.19 | Cide | sure |
| 15:58.20 | Josh_Borke | i like wotlk |
| 15:58.22 | Cide | it works in that sense |
| 15:58.35 | Cide | but it would create disappointment in like a million+ d3 gamers |
| 15:58.40 | cog|work | LOST VIKINGS |
| 15:58.41 | cog|work | imo |
| 15:58.43 | Cide | or general blizzard fans who're hoping to see a new game |
| 15:58.47 | Cide | and not some shit they've already seen |
| 15:58.55 | Cide | I look forward to SC2 a ton |
| 15:58.57 | nevcairiel | I still dont think its d3 |
| 15:59.06 | Cide | but I'd honestly be disappointed if it turns out to be SC2 in the splash |
| 15:59.12 | Cide | we'll see tomorrow/sunday |
| 15:59.13 | Gnarfoz | if it's not d3, what else will it be |
| 15:59.19 | Cide | new franchise |
| 15:59.19 | nevcairiel | wotlk tcg :P |
| 15:59.23 | Stanzilla | something new |
| 15:59.29 | Gnarfoz | yeah, new franchise is always an option, of course |
| 15:59.38 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.39 | ckknight | woo! |
| 15:59.55 | Cide | and the only splash blizzard has failed with was the battle.net remake one |
| 15:59.56 | nevcairiel | thats not new |
| 16:01.53 | Josh_Borke | when is WWI? |
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| 16:02.07 | Josh_Borke | ah, saturday |
| 16:02.27 | nevcairiel | tomorrow, yeah |
| 16:04.21 | Josh_Borke | oh, i know what the new one is! it's for that other cool game, spore! |
| 16:04.41 | Gnarfoz | didn't I already suggest that |
| 16:04.45 | Josh_Borke | did you? |
| 16:04.49 | Josh_Borke | how can you expect me to read? |
| 16:04.51 | Josh_Borke | i'm illiterate |
| 16:05.04 | Josh_Borke | if gnarfoz already suggested it, ignore my comment |
| 16:05.11 | Cide | we did |
| 16:05.12 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm sorry, Josh_Borke. |
| 16:05.20 | Cide | it's pretty much a given to ignore your comments |
| 16:05.26 | Josh_Borke | cide: this is very true |
| 16:05.27 | Gnarfoz | I'll count it as an attempt to imitate the mindboggling repetition going on in the various speculation threads |
| 16:05.32 | Josh_Borke | ZealotOnAStick: you have no reason to be sorry, i'm just stupid |
| 16:05.35 | ZealotOnAStick | We have to dispatch a team of nanobots now to infiltrate your brain and do a micro-lobotomy. |
| 16:05.44 | Cide | micro? |
| 16:05.45 | Cide | try macro |
| 16:05.50 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 16:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | Twitter sucks. WTB more server hamsters for them. |
| 16:05.55 | Josh_Borke | isn't that just making it worse? |
| 16:06.06 | ZealotOnAStick | no, it'll make it true. |
| 16:06.08 | Cide | macro lobotomy, or more server hamsters? |
| 16:08.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yes please. |
| 16:08.58 | Cide | /headdesk |
| 16:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | What? |
| 16:10.10 | Tain | I heard Blizzard bought stakes in the company and they were going to announce World of Twittercraft |
| 16:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | You give me either/or, I say yes. This is not new behavior! |
| 16:10.18 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: but I hate that! |
| 16:10.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry, Cide. Life is too short to limit my options, when I could see someone get a lobotomy AND get my Twitter hamsters. |
| 16:10.43 | Cide | they're actually doing a copy of the world |
| 16:11.35 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: I see. |
| 16:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | Twitter is copying my world! *hides* |
| 16:11.54 | Lopeppeppy | *huggles for Cide* I woke up whimsical today again. Sorry to hurt your brain. |
| 16:12.01 | Cide | no worries :) |
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| 16:33.03 | Anaral | LOL, someone on curse's forums wants an addon that will change their gender and sex |
| 16:33.19 | Thunder_Child | i know a good doctor |
| 16:35.07 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 16:36.04 | DARKGuy | rofl |
| 16:38.35 | ZealotOnAStick | Anaral: link? |
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| 16:41.23 | Snago- | I want Lost Vikings 3 |
| 16:41.39 | TecnoBrat | Snago, the numbers are from Lost! |
| 16:41.40 | Cide | I do't |
| 16:41.45 | Cide | I don't |
| 16:41.46 | Cide | so we won't |
| 16:41.51 | TecnoBrat | lol |
| 16:42.35 | Mitranim | Isn't gender the same as sex? |
| 16:42.45 | erikd | same thing i was thinking |
| 16:42.45 | Cide | no no |
| 16:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 16:43.24 | Cide | sex is an act |
| 16:43.24 | Snago | Sex is better than gender |
| 16:43.24 | erikd | when used in that context, though |
| 16:43.24 | ckknight | gender is not the same thing as sex |
| 16:43.24 | Mitranim | But, sex is often referred to as gender. |
| 16:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | Gender /= sexuality or sex |
| 16:44.25 | Mitranim | Ah, found the difference. |
| 16:44.48 | Anaral | ZealotOnAStick: Can't find it now. It was on the 'latest posts' thread. |
| 16:45.27 | Cide | I wasn't referring to the (pretty subtle) differences of sex and gender, to be honest :/ |
| 16:45.33 | Cide | but I'm glad I scored! |
| 16:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't matter, at least you're advanced enough to see any difference. We can work on refining your style later. |
| 16:46.18 | Cide | sounds good. |
| 16:46.30 | Cide | wait |
| 16:46.33 | Cide | "another" point? |
| 16:46.39 | Cide | I didn't know I had any points to begin with! |
| 16:46.47 | Cide | god I'm on fire |
| 16:47.24 | Lopeppeppy | Get some water for that, or Tinactin. |
| 16:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart Cide |
| 16:47.31 | purl | squishes Cide like a bug |
| 16:47.43 | Cide | I prefer pure oxygen |
| 16:48.13 | Cide | .... |
| 16:48.18 | Cide | wrong window |
| 16:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure, Cide. But a propos. |
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| 16:50.52 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:51.59 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, darlin' ! *huggle* |
| 16:52.41 | ZealotOnAStick | Anyone know of a currently-functioning addon for WoW that provides a similar functionality (searchable combat log in a window) to SW_UniLog? |
| 16:57.17 | cogwheel | eeew... why do they make non-stick woks? the temperatures you're supposed to cook with woks are WAY too high for teflon... |
| 16:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: for morons who have no idea how to properly cook |
| 16:57.54 | Lopeppeppy | solid metal heavy wok = yummy |
| 16:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | solid metal heavy any cookware = yummy. |
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| 17:01.02 | Lunessa | Mmmm... metal cookware... mmmm |
| 17:01.18 | ckknight | so, what's the best way to tell the status of battleground objectives? |
| 17:01.42 | cogwheel | so i was debating whether to spend $7 shipping a $3 wok brush or calling around to various stores to see if they have them... then i realized with gas prices the way they are, it would probably cost more to pick one up myself >< |
| 17:02.27 | ckknight | cogwheel: funny how things work like that |
| 17:02.56 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel, look at the inventory and see if there's a potential christmas/hannukkah/kwanzaa present to buy to make the shipping less painful. |
| 17:03.00 | krka | no stores nearby? |
| 17:03.12 | cogwheel | krka: not with them in stock that i've found |
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| 17:03.31 | cogwheel | yet |
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| 17:05.01 | cogwheel | /headdesk |
| 17:05.02 | cogwheel | http://www.pier1.com/img/ERRORGRAPHIC.gif |
| 17:05.37 | dylanm | Niiiice job Pier 1. |
| 17:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | ... interesting |
| 17:05.48 | Lopeppeppy | At least it's not a blank 404 or something |
| 17:06.37 | cogwheel | that came up when i entered my zip code to search for a local store :| |
| 17:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | aww. *hug* |
| 17:06.42 | cogwheel | seems like a ploy to get you to go into the store |
| 17:07.15 | cogwheel | s/search for/search the inventory for/ |
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| 17:11.36 | Shirik | lol cogwheel |
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| 17:19.49 | Atriace | An unclosed loop will crash the game, correct? |
| 17:20.08 | ckknight | it'll freeze the game |
| 17:20.19 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy writes so much better than I do :( |
| 17:20.41 | Hirsute | Is it possible for an addon to create a custom event that a frame can be registered for? |
| 17:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, Shirik. *hug* We can write a story together someday for practice. |
| 17:20.57 | Shirik | I remember this post now, though. I got my own rank wrong (basically as bad as saying the wrong level) |
| 17:21.08 | Shirik | I had to go back and fix it >.> |
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| 17:25.53 | Atriace | Hirsute: not that I know of, but you might replicate it by sending an addon message to the player and listening for its occurence. |
| 17:26.16 | Atriace | ... you don't have Hirsute, do you? |
| 17:26.24 | devXer0 | anyknow a good way to grab toon stats? e.g. Strength, Agility, Intellect, etc... |
| 17:26.37 | Hirsute | Atriace: Thanks! And not sure what you mean "have Hirsute"? Hirsute means "hairy" |
| 17:26.47 | Atriace | It's a symptom. |
| 17:26.53 | Atriace | ~wiki Hirsute |
| 17:26.55 | Atriace | do |
| 17:27.44 | Atriace | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nuremberg_chronicles_-_Strange_People_-_Hairy_Lady_%28XIIv%29.jpg |
| 17:27.47 | Hirsute | Aaaah, no, I hirsutism is a conditition, hirsute is a an adjective. And, now, I don't have hirsutisim. My gnome toon is quite hairy, though. |
| 17:27.58 | Atriace | ah, gotchya |
| 17:28.06 | Hirsute | s/no, I/no/ |
| 17:28.14 | Atriace | devXer0: in-game or out? |
| 17:28.19 | devXer0 | in game |
| 17:28.29 | Atriace | You need to inspect them. |
| 17:28.40 | Atriace | There's an API for it. |
| 17:28.44 | devXer0 | even for the player running the addon? |
| 17:28.59 | Atriace | Oh your own stats, you mean? |
| 17:29.03 | devXer0 | yep |
| 17:29.09 | devXer0 | sorry, I should have been more clear |
| 17:29.12 | Atriace | ah, yeah. That's easy |
| 17:29.29 | Atriace | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitStat |
| 17:29.37 | devXer0 | aaaaah |
| 17:29.43 | devXer0 | thanks Atriace :) |
| 17:29.48 | Atriace | ^_^ |
| 17:30.03 | devXer0 | I'm still trying to stuff all these API's into my head :P |
| 17:31.02 | Atriace | If you keep http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API & http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API bookmarked, it's an easy reference for all the APIs in one place. |
| 17:31.25 | Atriace | Then just do a quick search for a function that does what you need. |
| 17:32.32 | devXer0 | yeah, I keep the wiki bookmarked for sure. I was on the API page, and was trying to do a ctrl+F and searching for Stat, but nothing came up. I guess I broaden my search next time :) |
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| 17:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | BANHAMMER |
| 17:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475630878&sid=1 |
| 17:55.22 | Lunessa | ZOMG cogwheel FAIL. |
| 17:56.09 | Lunessa | Can't believed you actually helped someone named "Pörnstar" :P |
| 17:57.25 | cogwheel | Lunessa: that was after i reported them ;) |
| 17:57.35 | Lunessa | LOL. Ok. Win. |
| 17:57.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Link? |
| 17:58.34 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475810617&sid=1 |
| 17:59.08 | Lunessa | It was good, solid help too. |
| 18:00.07 | cogwheel | it was a good request for help too... |
| 18:00.29 | cogwheel | I'm good at compartmentalizing ;) |
| 18:00.52 | Shirik | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:00.59 | Lunessa | I was just amused by the chance to point out the name "Pörnstar" and your usual aversion to such names. |
| 18:02.53 | Dashkal | How Hortus doesn't snap is beyond me... |
| 18:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: by laughing a lot every time he clicks "Ban" |
| 18:03.22 | cogwheel | Dashkal: because he can be a smart ass to people since he's not a CM ;) |
| 18:03.29 | Dashkal | prolly a good thing. He looked like he was getting close in 2.4... |
| 18:03.45 | cogwheel | +without getting fired |
| 18:04.01 | Dashkal | There's much to be said for that freedom |
| 18:04.16 | Dashkal | I worked customer service for six years... How I didn't leap over the counter and strangle some of those twits... |
| 18:05.06 | Lunessa | Dashkal: I still sort of work in "customer service" - And I routinely desire the death, dismemberment, or maiming of others. |
| 18:05.18 | Dashkal | My sympathies |
| 18:05.33 | Dashkal | I work nice and cloistered in development now. And my immediate boss speaks geek |
| 18:05.33 | devXer0 | Tech Support > Customer Service :P |
| 18:06.18 | Dashkal | ugh, I'd take customer service |
| 18:06.28 | Dashkal | self entitled > thinks their smart |
| 18:06.30 | devXer0 | err, I meant the frusteration of tech support |
| 18:06.32 | Lunessa | I work as a Support, Training and Tech Writer with minor sys admin duties for a univeristy. |
| 18:06.36 | Dashkal | in that case, you win :p |
| 18:06.48 | Dashkal | I just did grocery cashier |
| 18:06.57 | devXer0 | apparently I haven't had enough |
| 18:07.40 | Lunessa | The best days are the days when someone wants me to fix their complex Excel spreadhseet or can't figure out that copy/paste works for tables in Word. |
| 18:07.56 | Lunessa | The worst days are when they're screaming at me for the above. |
| 18:08.09 | cogwheel | I got spit in the face once for carding some guy's girlfriend when i was assistant manager of a Circle K |
| 18:08.14 | cogwheel | retail 4tl |
| 18:08.23 | Anaral | I one time had someone ask me how to 'turn on' internet explorer'. |
| 18:08.23 | devXer0 | the worst is right @ the start... "ok sir/maam... Click on the "start" button..." |
| 18:08.32 | Lunessa | Strange things are afoot at the Circle K |
| 18:08.37 | devXer0 | "where's the start button?! I don't have one, omg am I doomed?!" |
| 18:08.54 | cogwheel | So i had to get tested for various diseases for workers comp |
| 18:09.26 | malreth | the clap is a bitch, ain't it, cog |
| 18:09.36 | cogwheel | well, the hospital didn't bother billing the workers comp, they didn't bother billing me, somehow they had an address of mine that was from 5 years earlier |
| 18:09.46 | Dashkal | worst I ever got was cursed at for carding a 24 year old without id for cigs |
| 18:10.02 | cogwheel | and when i got my first credit report it had a collection on it :| |
| 18:10.10 | Dashkal | lovely |
| 18:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. *hug* |
| 18:10.27 | Dashkal | <3 Canadian Healthcare :p |
| 18:11.00 | Lunessa | This is why I'm glad I never worked in that sort of retail. No one ever curses out the manager of a habby shop/comic shop/game shop. Especially when manager is also owner of said shop. :P |
| 18:11.30 | Dashkal | Funny how that sort of shop seems to attract better customers |
| 18:11.52 | Lunessa | Not really. Just no drunks. |
| 18:12.13 | Dashkal | that's an improvement :p |
| 18:12.23 | Lopeppeppy | I hated the drunk people who wandered over while waiting for their table at chili's. They'd get pissed at us because the beepers for tables didn't work that far away |
| 18:13.21 | Lunessa | People always want to blame someone else for their errors. Remember - "It's not your fault." Ever. |
| 18:14.00 | Dashkal | I am perfect in every way and it's the world's fault I don't have the life I _should_ have so gimme now what I deserve. |
| 18:14.34 | Lopeppeppy | Because you're a whore and you suck. Don't forget that, i got that alot from customers. |
| 18:14.51 | Dashkal | wow |
| 18:14.55 | Dashkal | that I didn't see |
| 18:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | Thankfully only 2 physical assaults in the 6 years I was there, but sooooo much verbal abuse from the drunks. |
| 18:15.11 | malreth | what a coincidence, Lopeppeppy. That's the same thing my fiancee tells me every morning. |
| 18:15.13 | Dashkal | Granted I was an anomaly. For a year or so I was the only guy on cash. |
| 18:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | malreth! *hug* |
| 18:15.34 | Thunder_Child | malreth, yes but unlike Lopeppeppy's drunks, she is correct |
| 18:15.54 | Lunessa | Seems like it's ok to be rude to people who wait tables, or do services jobs, because "They're doing a service job. That makes me better than them." The only people who really believe that are people who feel worthless already. |
| 18:16.06 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 18:16.06 | Lopeppeppy | You should have heard the lady that I called the cops on, when she left her 8 year old child in our store unattended. Whee! |
| 18:16.32 | Dashkal | oh that can't have gone well... |
| 18:16.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, nopers. |
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| 18:17.17 | Lopeppeppy | 3 more minutes and her child would have been with Protective Services and not in my store anymore. :) She went to the mall across the street to buy a dress. |
| 18:17.27 | Mikk | ... |
| 18:17.54 | Lopeppeppy | "She had my cell phone number, you people should be glad to watch her for the amount of money I spend here!" |
| 18:17.55 | Dashkal | Too bad mom came back so soon... |
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| 18:18.26 | Lunessa | When I ran my shop, if a parent tried to walk out with their kid inside, I chased them down and made them come get their kid. I had a sign that said "We're not a baby-sitting service; unattended children will be turned over to the police." |
| 18:18.40 | Mikk | Jesus christ people actually do that? |
| 18:18.47 | Lunessa | Yes. They do. |
| 18:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 18:19.24 | Dashkal | So glad I worked in grocery... |
| 18:19.44 | Mikk | What the heck kind of store do you run? Toys-r-us? oO |
| 18:19.46 | Josh_Borke | wow, that is amazing |
| 18:19.51 | Lopeppeppy | Barnes and Noble was me. |
| 18:19.54 | Lunessa | I had a gaming area, and people would let their kids come play card games. For tournaments and long games it was ok with me to let an older child (read late teens) stay, but otherwise mommy or daddy or guardian had to be with them. |
| 18:20.50 | Josh_Borke | hm, i take that back |
| 18:20.51 | Lopeppeppy | Otherwise you become legally responsible for what they do, and what is done to them, while in your premises. It's like copyright... you have to strenously protect yourself. |
| 18:21.10 | Josh_Borke | i was left as a mid-late teen at bookstores, through my own recommendation |
| 18:21.38 | Mikk | See we got this thing called common sense here in the .se legal system |
| 18:22.03 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: Trademark... not copyright |
| 18:22.07 | Mikk | Parent walks out of kid in random place? The closest property owner doesn't become liable. Parent is dragged in front of social services. |
| 18:22.28 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, bugger off. :) |
| 18:22.34 | Dashkal | oh no, copyright too unless you have a sennator in your back pocket... |
| 18:22.48 | malreth | you can't lose your copyright through inaction |
| 18:22.58 | malreth | hell, now you can't even lose it by dying |
| 18:23.46 | Mikk | I'm loving how the record companies want to take custody of artists' copyrights when they've passed on |
| 18:24.06 | Mikk | Wouldn't surprise me the least if such legislation passes either |
| 18:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure they do. *laugh* |
| 18:24.08 | Mikk | At least in the US |
| 18:24.33 | Dashkal | the copyright cartel might as well be an arm of the government at this point |
| 18:24.43 | Dashkal | They've certainly bought the right... |
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| 18:25.25 | Lunessa | Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475460079&postId=74748793894&sid=1#16 add my bit there to your FAQ? |
| 18:28.21 | cogwheel | Help me USC, your our only hope! http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/06/usc-lab-creates.html |
| 18:28.29 | Shirik | for the record, bad idea: /script f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(f, evt, arg1) if arg1=="Whatever you would like to do." then SendChatMessage(arg1, "PARTY") end end) |
| 18:28.32 | cogwheel | s/your/you're/ |
| 18:28.49 | nevcairiel | Oh with a rotating display? |
| 18:28.52 | nevcairiel | nice idea :P |
| 18:28.54 | Shirik | where "f" has CHAT_MSG_PARTY registered |
| 18:29.10 | haste | oldnews! |
| 18:29.24 | cogwheel | haste: [citation needed] |
| 18:29.39 | cogwheel | other techs like that didn't have correct perspective for different viewpoints |
| 18:29.48 | cogwheel | watch teh video :P |
| 18:29.55 | haste | I've seen that before |
| 18:30.04 | haste | months ago\ |
| 18:30.19 | Dashkal | cogwheel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKCUGQ-uo8c |
| 18:30.22 | Dashkal | note the date |
| 18:30.26 | Fisker- | I'M A BUSINESS JERK |
| 18:30.27 | Fisker- | WEEE |
| 18:30.36 | cogwheel | well someone needs to tag oldnews on /. then :P |
| 18:30.43 | Dashkal | agreed |
| 18:31.22 | Dashkal | actually |
| 18:31.34 | malreth | cogwheel: all news on /. is oldnews |
| 18:31.50 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 18:31.54 | Fisker- | i'm some kind of data technician |
| 18:32.03 | malreth | in fact, in only keep /. in my rss feed to remind myself of news i already read a week prior |
| 18:33.17 | Dashkal | heh, I just find it easier to get it through /. than hit up all the sources they steal^H^H^H^H^Hare inspired by |
| 18:35.10 | Dashkal | I was wondering about the glass |
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| 18:39.10 | malreth | http://paintalicious.org/2007/09/14/ron-mueck-hyper-realist-sculptor/ |
| 18:40.25 | Lunessa | The problem I have with it being a rapidly spinning mirror... I can't has one. It's too clunky. :P |
| 18:42.53 | cogwheel | imagine what would happen if it got off balance or something fell onto it :P |
| 18:43.12 | Dashkal | uncanny valley much? |
| 18:43.16 | Lunessa | Or you have a cat. |
| 18:43.35 | cogwheel | Dashkal: he seems to have juuuust passed it with some of them |
| 18:43.46 | cogwheel | at least for me |
| 18:43.50 | Dashkal | the guy with his head on the pedistal was pretty cool |
| 18:44.11 | Dashkal | It didn't even look disembodied. If not looking at the chin I really don't notice the lack |
| 18:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee, more AV bots to report |
| 18:46.45 | malreth | the picture of the In Bed model from the side looks completely convincing |
| 18:48.06 | Dashkal | agreed |
| 18:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 18:49.45 | cogwheel | he seems a bit emo... there's only one smiling person in that whole set and i'm not sure it's an honest smile ;) |
| 18:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | As long as I can get back before 4:00, I'll be able to watch the live stream they have for the WWI |
| 18:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://eu.blizzard.com/wwi08/streams.xml |
| 18:53.47 | Lunessa | "I'm looking for a good font AddOn and I don't like ClearFont2" - I'm tempted to reply with, "Well, your fucked, aintcha?" |
| 18:54.14 | malreth | tekticles? |
| 18:54.17 | Lopeppeppy | ARE there any others? |
| 18:54.31 | Stanzilla | just one |
| 18:54.44 | malreth | it's even fun to say |
| 18:54.49 | malreth | i'm saying it right now |
| 18:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | tikticles, I would assume, is the name? |
| 18:55.09 | malreth | i think my office mates are going to kick me out now |
| 18:56.13 | Dashkal | malreth: your link is highly dangerous for my productivity |
| 18:56.39 | malreth | Dashkal: *I* am highly dangerous for any sort of productivity |
| 18:56.46 | Dashkal | heh |
| 18:56.49 | Dashkal | duly noted |
| 18:57.24 | Lunessa | malreth is pure trouble in any setting. |
| 18:57.40 | malreth | spoken like my parole officer |
| 18:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | Duly noted. :) |
| 18:57.54 | Lunessa | No, she's better looking. |
| 18:58.13 | malreth | it's the uniform |
| 18:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | Uniforms are hot. |
| 18:58.55 | Lunessa | This channel needs more wine and chicks in uniform. |
| 18:59.13 | Dashkal | http://www.winehq.org/ ? |
| 18:59.49 | Lunessa | More like http://www.robertmondaviwinery.com/flash/index.html |
| 18:59.51 | cogwheel | http://www.justborn.com/products/peeps.html |
| 19:00.04 | cogwheel | more like http://www.kistlervineyards.com |
| 19:00.13 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah, cogwheel. |
| 19:00.13 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 19:00.14 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 19:00.29 | malreth | http://www.accidentalwine.com/ |
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| 19:00.58 | Lunessa | cog - http://www.kistlervineyards.com/wines/wines081.aspx#scpn - plx. |
| 19:01.31 | cogwheel | next time i'm in texas ;) |
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| 19:01.42 | Lunessa | I'm holding you to that. |
| 19:01.52 | malreth | i think once you get past $40 for a bottle of red you really start experiencing diminishing returns... ;\ |
| 19:01.58 | cogwheel | you can only hold me to that if you remind me immediately beforehand :P |
| 19:02.09 | Lunessa | :P |
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| 19:02.30 | Lunessa | malreth: The stuff we had at Abbey was pretty good. |
| 19:02.37 | Lunessa | And nicely priced. |
| 19:02.48 | malreth | hyde park bar & grill? |
| 19:03.00 | cogwheel | malreth: that pinot is our least expensive :P |
| 19:03.24 | cogwheel | and the $120 one goes for >$350 aftermarket |
| 19:04.04 | malreth | well, my wedding guests are getting cheapwine and they'll like it |
| 19:04.20 | malreth | they should consider themselves lucky that the bottles aren't in brown paper sacks |
| 19:04.33 | Lunessa | malreth: er, yeah. Sorry.. Brain-o-graphical error. |
| 19:04.47 | cogwheel | malreth: boxed wine imo |
| 19:05.02 | cogwheel | (there's some really good ones these days, and they last for months after opening) |
| 19:05.14 | Lunessa | malreth: Ripple, Boone Farms, MD 20/20 - they'll never know. |
| 19:05.34 | Lopeppeppy | Mix them all for better fun! |
| 19:07.32 | Lunessa | When I was in school, our pre-party prep was a new, large plastic trash can, 10lb bag of sugar, and about 20lbs of citrus fruit. Then everyone pours in a bottle of liquor. Cap. Let it set over night in a bathtub full of ice. Drink. Wake up next week. |
| 19:10.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Garbage Pail Punch. |
| 19:11.00 | cogwheel | Spo-dee-o-dee, no? |
| 19:12.56 | Lunessa | It was a good way to get blitzzed on the cheap for 20-30 folks. |
| 19:16.06 | ckknight | Does anyone know a good way to tell the current status of battleground objectives? i.e. which side has which towers under their control |
| 19:16.41 | Lunessa | Are the stats not exposed? |
| 19:16.57 | Lunessa | Oh, you want specific towers. |
| 19:17.26 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:17.39 | nevcairiel | map api maybe? |
| 19:17.46 | ckknight | basically, in the end of this, I want to show timers on Cart3 |
| 19:18.23 | ckknight | nevcairiel: although you can get which side currently has the tower, you can't tell if one side is in the process, hrm, maybe you can |
| 19:18.24 | ckknight | must test! |
| 19:19.40 | Tekkub | I love the nailed down trolls outside ZA |
| 19:20.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yar. |
| 19:22.39 | Mikk | Tekkub loves anything with fur that is nailed down |
| 19:23.11 | Tekkub | wait trolls have fur? |
| 19:23.13 | Tekkub | shit |
| 19:23.22 | Mikk | ice trolls do anyway :o) |
| 19:23.24 | malreth | Tekkub: only if they don't shave |
| 19:23.37 | Cide | Tekkub LOVES the furries |
| 19:23.43 | Tekkub | that's not fur it's just plain on body hair |
| 19:24.05 | Tekkub | Cide, just now realizing this? |
| 19:24.14 | Cide | I guess! |
| 19:24.45 | Lunessa | ... Furverts? |
| 19:24.48 | Lunessa | :p |
| 19:25.07 | malreth | that reminds me... i'm hungry |
| 19:27.58 | Mikk | &#¤%&#%¤ UE logon servers borked |
| 19:28.03 | Mikk | EU too |
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| 19:30.01 | Mikk | aaand i see their web servers are borked too.. eek |
| 19:31.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet |
| 19:31.35 | nevcairiel | maybe the techs got drunk in anticipation of the WWO |
| 19:31.37 | nevcairiel | *WWI |
| 19:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, food. |
| 19:39.17 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475810968&sid=1 - I lawl'ed. |
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| 19:50.10 | cogwheel | Why do i have to re-explain things every single release :'( |
| 19:50.22 | Cide | cogcogcog |
| 19:50.41 | Cide | did I \a you? |
| 19:50.48 | cogwheel | yep |
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| 19:51.11 | Anaral | Cog is this for an addon or work related? |
| 19:51.50 | malreth | does anything work related ever happen on this channel? |
| 19:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | I had to get someone to update from IE5 today. |
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| 19:52.13 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: which version of firefox did they install? |
| 19:52.15 | cogwheel | Anaral: work |
| 19:52.15 | Lunessa | 'cause people are stupid. And because we are not stupid we will be frustrated by every stupid thing people do. |
| 19:52.27 | cogwheel | "release" meaning wine offering cycle |
| 19:52.29 | Anaral | Agreed |
| 19:52.40 | cogwheel | it's not even that the software has changed... |
| 19:52.44 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, cogwheel, I remember their complaints last time! |
| 19:52.49 | cogwheel | things just leak out of their heads |
| 19:53.18 | cogwheel | and they don't even seem to remember the conversation from last time... |
| 19:53.31 | Lunessa | Too much sampling of the product. |
| 19:53.38 | cogwheel | heh |
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| 19:54.27 | Lopeppeppy | I had some cherries! |
| 19:56.00 | malreth | i want ketchup made out of gold |
| 19:56.10 | cogwheel | Lunessa: you forgot the virgins to feed it all to you |
| 19:56.22 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's what I offered, read again cogwheel |
| 19:56.35 | malreth | i just don't get virgins |
| 19:56.39 | Lunessa | Didn't forget. I don't want virgins. I want experienced lovelies. |
| 19:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oops. i'll work on the requisition, Lunessa. |
| 19:56.50 | malreth | are they better at things like feeding people... or dragons |
| 19:56.56 | malreth | do they taste better? |
| 19:57.02 | Cide | [t]here be dragons |
| 19:57.03 | ckknight | well, we're certainly not going to give the dragons our sluts! |
| 19:57.11 | malreth | are they more efficient shrine maidens? |
| 19:57.28 | Cide | what ckk said imo |
| 20:00.04 | malreth | so, my vista computer at home that i play wow on |
| 20:00.23 | malreth | only has 1 gb of ram... and i'd rather replace than upgrade just the ram |
| 20:00.36 | malreth | but i can't afford the upgrades that i'd like to do |
| 20:00.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sad. *laugh* |
| 20:00.49 | malreth | i bought a $16 4GB flash drive |
| 20:00.52 | Lunessa | ~comfort malreth |
| 20:00.53 | purl | There, there, malreth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:00.58 | malreth | and enabled readyboost |
| 20:01.15 | malreth | it used to be that alt-tabbing out of wow was a 30 second ordeal |
| 20:01.23 | malreth | it's teh snappy now |
| 20:02.08 | Lunessa | FlashDrive for VM? |
| 20:02.12 | malreth | so there you have it... MS did something right |
| 20:02.19 | malreth | ~wiki readyboost |
| 20:03.12 | Tekkub | malreth, I assume you're bordering on 100% memory use when in wow? |
| 20:03.27 | malreth | Tekkub: yes |
| 20:03.44 | Tekkub | yea you would have seen the same thing from buying more memory :P |
| 20:04.29 | malreth | two 1gb sticks of old PC3200 ram would have cost over twice as much |
| 20:04.53 | Tekkub | how much do you have now? |
| 20:04.54 | malreth | and when i finally upgrade the computer i'll have a 4 GB flash drive |
| 20:04.58 | malreth | Tekkub: 1 GB |
| 20:05.01 | Tekkub | I run 2GiB and have never had issue |
| 20:05.47 | malreth | i really don't feel like tossing new RAM onto an nforce 4 motherboard |
| 20:05.48 | Lunessa | I wonder then if readyboost will do anything for my considering I already have 2gb RAM and a blazing fast HD. |
| 20:06.04 | Tekkub | now it just sounds like you're making excuses |
| 20:06.20 | Tekkub | Lunessa, it's designed at lower-memory systems |
| 20:06.31 | Anaral | Will Skinner work on the default ui? |
| 20:06.38 | Lunessa | Yes, I saw that. bu 1MS seeks times = hawt. |
| 20:06.41 | Tekkub | RAM's faster obviously, so if you're not using all your RAM it'll do it's caching there |
| 20:07.02 | Matrix110| | Lunessa it doesnt speed up desktop PCs it can speed up Laptops with low memory and slow HDD though |
| 20:07.06 | cogwheel | malreth: 1) agree re: readyboost. 2) Run in maximized windowed mode... you won't have any problems alt-tabbing and it's just like fullscreen-fps |
| 20:07.16 | Lunessa | I doubt it'll be of any real use to me, but I'm interested in playing with it. |
| 20:07.26 | Tekkub | seek times aren't the initial seek... |
| 20:07.26 | Matrix110| | cogwheel not with Vista :P |
| 20:07.27 | Hirsute | Flash drive should still be faster than HDD for disk cache, but yeah, if you aren't filling up your RAM, then you probably won't notice a differencde. |
| 20:07.36 | cogwheel | Matrix110|: i use vista |
| 20:07.36 | Hirsute | s/differencde/difference/ |
| 20:07.39 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I know. I read the wiki. |
| 20:07.46 | Matrix110| | cogwheel do you have aero on? |
| 20:07.49 | cogwheel | yes |
| 20:08.00 | Tekkub | okey, well then I'd say, if you have a flash drive, toy, but don't go buy one |
| 20:08.02 | Matrix110| | Well I have 20fps less in windowed mode atleast(maximized aswell) |
| 20:08.10 | cogwheel | fullscreen-fps reads "fullscreen minus fps" |
| 20:08.12 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:08.17 | Matrix110| | oh |
| 20:08.27 | cogwheel | but if you turn off aero it's faster |
| 20:08.30 | Matrix110| | i know |
| 20:08.43 | Tekkub | wasn't a significant diff for me, aero or no |
| 20:09.00 | malreth | i observed the same thing as Tekkub |
| 20:09.01 | Matrix110| | Well I can only notice a fps difference in raids anyway |
| 20:09.05 | Lunessa | Actually, I want an additional 8600 GT so I can run in SLI. And another 2gb RAM. But a don't have a $gb Flash drive either. |
| 20:09.07 | Matrix110| | everywhere else my FPS is totally fine |
| 20:09.09 | Cide | cogwheel: is it? |
| 20:09.15 | Cide | re: fullscreen-fps |
| 20:09.23 | malreth | disabling aero's translucency, however, did have an effect |
| 20:09.27 | Cide | oh |
| 20:09.30 | Cide | I missed your addendum |
| 20:09.45 | Tekkub | SLI just reaks of stupid attempts to make the people that buy $400 vid cards buy 2 of them |
| 20:10.02 | Matrix110| | The only "SLI" that makes a bit sense is hybrid SLI |
| 20:10.18 | Matrix110| | but that doesnt work correct sof ar :D |
| 20:10.20 | Matrix110| | *so far |
| 20:10.30 | erikd | whatever you want to say about it, it definitely makes crysis at my max res run smoother :) |
| 20:11.20 | Matrix110| | Well Crysis engine will be the top notch engine for quite a long time now |
| 20:11.35 | Matrix110| | every other studio is focusing more on engines that run fine on consoles :P |
| 20:11.52 | Matrix110| | U3 engine for example |
| 20:11.52 | DARKGuy_ | damn consoles |
| 20:11.57 | Tekkub | what I say is, computers are already designed around trying to make people feel the need to upgrade every 5 years... and gamers seem to be targetted at upgrading ever 5 months |
| 20:12.33 | DARKGuy_ | it's all the fault of unoptimized code. |
| 20:12.36 | DARKGuy_ | 64k demos are proof of that! |
| 20:12.42 | Arrowmaster | ive always found SLI retarded due to most game coders being idiots |
| 20:12.51 | erikd | U3 runs surprisingly well on lower end machines |
| 20:13.00 | DARKGuy_ | really? |
| 20:13.01 | Matrix110| | erikd because its designed like that |
| 20:13.03 | erikd | yeah |
| 20:13.16 | Matrix110| | It works on Wii aswell! :P |
| 20:13.19 | Arrowmaster | sadly most programmers dont know shit about multi core programming |
| 20:13.25 | Matrix110| | Arrowmaster they have to learn that |
| 20:13.26 | DARKGuy_ | I have 7200GS, think it can run on that? I can play COD4 fine on it :P |
| 20:13.28 | DARKGuy_ | hey, it's a new thing |
| 20:13.34 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 20:13.36 | durcyn | oh buggerfuck, the 280 GTX are at $700 |
| 20:13.46 | erikd | well, even with shaders and normal mapping and stuff on (but AA off) it ran well on my older pc |
| 20:13.48 | Arrowmaster | SMP has been around forever |
| 20:13.48 | durcyn | DARKGuy_: i'd look for a 512mb 8800GTS at this point |
| 20:14.06 | Arrowmaster | and still most programs cant even do that properly |
| 20:14.13 | erikd | i have 2x 8800GT that I'm really happy with |
| 20:14.22 | erikd | i think they're down to around 250 now |
| 20:14.22 | Matrix110| | The only performance gain is going to be more cores so they have to adapt at applications that require more computing power |
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| 20:14.56 | Matrix110| | erikd 8800GT are at 100 here(150$) |
| 20:15.06 | erikd | even better |
| 20:15.11 | durcyn | specificaly the 512 800GTS though, as it's a later rev of the chip than the 256/640 |
| 20:15.21 | durcyn | er 8800 |
| 20:15.30 | Matrix110| | I got a 640MB 8800 |
| 20:15.38 | Matrix110| | and 2 weeks later 8800GT announced |
| 20:15.40 | Matrix110| | faster and cheaper |
| 20:15.41 | Matrix110| | yay |
| 20:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | I have a 7600 thingie. |
| 20:16.00 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: i have a 6800 thingie |
| 20:16.06 | cogwheel | my 8800gts is only 320mb :( |
| 20:16.15 | Matrix110| | Well I had a 9800Pro before that for almost 3years :P |
| 20:16.16 | Arrowmaster | better than mine |
| 20:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I've got a 7600 too! |
| 20:16.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yay us! |
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| 20:17.01 | DARKGuy_ | and my internet is being a bum today :( |
| 20:17.02 | Arrowmaster | x800xtpe for going on 4 years probably |
| 20:17.29 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: < Lives In A Cave > ? |
| 20:17.42 | ScytheBlade1 | No need to listen to him, he's dead. |
| 20:17.54 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: I did that once... My wife was a hunter named Miki_a (forget what the _ was) and i was a druid in a guild named Miki_a's Pet |
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| 20:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | Tepes and Tepes' Slaves. |
| 20:18.16 | cogwheel | hated playing druid though... |
| 20:18.29 | malreth | did you know that if you started your subscription when wow launched, you've payed about $500 to blizzard |
| 20:18.33 | Zurik | Hello guys n gals.. i find it odd that I have not run accross this before.. |
| 20:18.40 | Tekkub | ugh, damn smarch weather |
| 20:18.44 | malreth | Zurik: who are you? |
| 20:18.45 | DARKGuy_ | Hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:18.48 | DARKGuy_ | Fake or leak? -> http://www.starcraftwire.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=722&size=big&cat= |
| 20:18.49 | cogwheel | ~lart malreth |
| 20:18.49 | purl | holds malreth to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 20:18.50 | Zurik | but how do i make a fontString wrap it text? |
| 20:19.03 | Zurik | who am I? |
| 20:19.04 | Matrix110| | DARKGuy_ fake |
| 20:19.08 | Matrix110| | already said:P |
| 20:19.15 | Zurik | who are any of us? |
| 20:19.16 | Zurik | lol |
| 20:19.20 | DARKGuy_ | me thinks it's fake |
| 20:19.25 | malreth | actually, you have the same name as someone in my guild |
| 20:19.28 | DARKGuy_ | Matrix110|: really? :( |
| 20:19.29 | DARKGuy_ | :'( |
| 20:19.30 | Matrix110| | the author photoshopped it |
| 20:19.40 | Zurik | me? what server? |
| 20:19.41 | Matrix110| | but its nicely done |
| 20:19.46 | Zurik | I'm on Llane |
| 20:19.47 | malreth | Zurik: silver hand |
| 20:19.55 | malreth | so i guess not... coincidences |
| 20:19.59 | cogwheel | Zurik: I think it'll automatically wrap if you force it to a specific size |
| 20:19.59 | Zurik | nope .. i'm Sir. Zurik of Llane. |
| 20:20.05 | Hirsute | bmalreth: what guild? |
| 20:20.11 | Zurik | Ravaged Souls |
| 20:20.17 | DARKGuy_ | Dang, o well thanks Matrix110| xD |
| 20:20.20 | Hirsute | sans the b |
| 20:20.21 | malreth | Hirsute: Silver Daggers |
| 20:20.27 | Hirsute | <--Nu Tir |
| 20:20.36 | Zurik | ok.. back to my questione~ |
| 20:20.50 | Zurik | How do I make a fontString wrap it's text? |
| 20:21.08 | Lopeppeppy | [16:19] cogwheel: Zurik: I think it'll automatically wrap if you force it to a specific size |
| 20:21.09 | malreth | Hirsute: oh... then... Hail and well met, strange traveler. |
| 20:21.52 | Hirsute | Heh, Good day to you, too |
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| 20:21.59 | cncfanatics | anyone know a good place to download audiobooks ? |
| 20:21.59 | Lopeppeppy | Transcoding sounds like gender-reassignment surgery. |
| 20:22.14 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: my wife uses jiggerbug |
| 20:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: lol, it kinda does |
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| 20:23.24 | Zurik | Thanks Lop & cog.. missed it. |
| 20:23.27 | Lunessa | Yeah, I just want MOAR POWA - so, RAM and and additional card in SLI will pretty much max me out until I decide to build a whole new box. |
| 20:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | So re-name your function, boyo. |
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| 20:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: but that's what it is called :( |
| 20:23.55 | cogwheel | Zurik: your client should be hilighting lines with your nick in them (and you should make it if it doesn't :P ) |
| 20:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel, my client doesn't! |
| 20:24.23 | cogwheel | ~fail Lopeppeppy's client |
| 20:24.23 | purl | Lopeppeppy's client, you Fail! |
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| 20:24.46 | Lopeppeppy | Trillian. If you know a trick, I'll listen to it. |
| 20:25.07 | Lunessa | trilliian is teh suck for IRC |
| 20:25.10 | Zurik | ok.. http://pastey.net/90149/ |
| 20:25.12 | Hirsute | I love trillian for the IMing, not so much for IRC... |
| 20:25.17 | cncfanatics | irssi ftw |
| 20:25.18 | Zurik | why doesn't this wrap then? |
| 20:25.18 | Hirsute | ChatZilla makes me happy for IRC |
| 20:25.19 | cncfanatics | going to use it soon :p |
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| 20:25.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hirsute: I use Trillian to tie together the 3 different work IMs and IRC. |
| 20:25.50 | Dashkal | chatzilla is good enough I suppose, but I miss some features |
| 20:26.39 | Hirsute | Yeah, I've got 5 or 6 IM accounts in Trillian Astra right now, but I use ChatZilla for IRC, it's just.... happier. |
| 20:26.41 | cogwheel | I <3 chatzilla |
| 20:26.55 | cogwheel | but i use irssi for other <3 reasons |
| 20:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | Poor cogwheel. So conflicted. |
| 20:27.08 | sixen-debug | *waves* |
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| 20:27.38 | cogwheel | por que "-debug"? |
| 20:27.59 | DARKGuy_ | cogwheel habla español? :O |
| 20:28.09 | cogwheel | heh no |
| 20:28.13 | DARKGuy_ | damn :p |
| 20:28.14 | cogwheel | i should... |
| 20:28.16 | erikd | screen + irssi = mmmmm |
| 20:28.23 | DARKGuy_ | cogwheel: why? :P |
| 20:28.31 | DARKGuy_ | erikd: that's like chocolate and vanilla <3 |
| 20:28.39 | Tekkub | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/predator-met-16.html |
| 20:28.51 | Tekkub | is it bad that, minus the bad hair, I think he's cute? |
| 20:28.56 | cogwheel | DARKGuy_: because of the proportions of spanish speakers in my area |
| 20:29.06 | DARKGuy_ | cogwheel: where do you live :o |
| 20:29.11 | cogwheel | northern california |
| 20:29.19 | Tekkub | or that, if my beard were darker and I didn't wear glasses, I'd look like that? |
| 20:29.21 | DARKGuy_ | cogwheel: ahh that's why :p |
| 20:29.41 | malreth | Tekkub: could they have gotten a WORSE picture of him? |
| 20:30.04 | cogwheel | Zurik: hmm... i don't see anything obvious |
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| 20:31.38 | Tekkub | aw that fucker, he's even named David |
| 20:32.21 | malreth | the comments... "He probably is Alliance, figures..." |
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| 20:33.07 | Tekkub | "why didn't she just bubble and hearth?" |
| 20:33.54 | sixen-debug | Yeah Cog, :D. It's the IRC client I made a while ago. |
| 20:34.09 | sixen-debug | Trillian Astra is nothing but Memory leaks and i'm trying to play War3, :(. |
| 20:34.39 | Lunessa | Tekkub: ... at least you're not trying to convince 16 year olds to do you. |
| 20:34.43 | Hirsute | Well, it's still in alpha, afterall, I expect it will get better |
| 20:34.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Does anyone know of a simple TCP repeater? Seems that the octoshape client is only listening on 127.0.0.1, and that needs to change :( |
| 20:34.52 | Tekkub | Lunessa, aye, I like em older than me |
| 20:34.59 | cogwheel | Two people share an office. You ring one of them over the intercom and there is no response. Do you a) hang up and wait for him to come back, or b) yell over the intercom asking the other person if he's not there? |
| 20:35.03 | cogwheel | /headdesk |
| 20:35.26 | erikd | scythe: like something that displays what's coming in or something that responds with what comes in? |
| 20:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: almost a transparent proxy that I can bind to any port and IP |
| 20:36.00 | cogwheel | whee! |
| 20:36.09 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, you mean like, a router? |
| 20:36.19 | Tekkub | *snicker* |
| 20:36.21 | malreth | Lunessa: whose life-time? |
| 20:36.21 | sixen-debug | =/ |
| 20:36.28 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Youc could forward the port using your router. |
| 20:36.30 | malreth | you have to specify those sorts of things |
| 20:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Close but no |
| 20:36.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying to open a port to the LAN that's bound to 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:36.47 | erikd | you could sniff the traffic with wireshark |
| 20:36.54 | Lunessa | malreth: Well, if I assume it's the /target's/ I can save on shipping. |
| 20:37.00 | malreth | because a "life-time supply of napalm" could be something like 8-10 seconds worth |
| 20:37.35 | cogwheel | malreth: or the life-time of the napalm |
| 20:37.38 | Lunessa | And it's not like Napalm is hard to make at home. |
| 20:38.26 | malreth | DEAR FEDS: I do not know this person, Lunessa! |
| 20:38.26 | cogwheel | but it's expensive now :( |
| 20:38.29 | Dashkal | jerry can + packing peanuts? |
| 20:38.39 | Lunessa | no comment |
| 20:38.40 | Hirsute | *The NSA busts into Lunessa's house* "I hear you're making napalm?" |
| 20:38.51 | Lopeppeppy | "Can we watch? We forgot how." |
| 20:38.56 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 20:39.01 | malreth | hah |
| 20:39.42 | Dashkal | nice |
| 20:39.56 | Lunessa | If you watch "Burn Notice" or the old McGuyver show, or read the Anarchist's Cookbook ... you can learn all of that stuff easily. |
| 20:40.55 | Hirsute | You're just trying to make Echelon take notice, aren't you? |
| 20:40.57 | Hirsute | *grin* |
| 20:41.07 | Lopeppeppy | I know where my Cookbook is, right this moment. Do I get extra points? |
| 20:41.52 | Lunessa | No, you moved recently. |
| 20:42.00 | Hirsute | Wait a minute... I'm reading about irssi right now.... using it's proxy.... could I set it up to give me some backlog when I log onto IRC? |
| 20:42.11 | ckknight | AB starts at lvl 30, right? |
| 20:42.46 | dylanm | ckknight: 20 I thought. |
| 20:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, that should give me double points, that I can find one book among the boxes withing 5 days of moving. |
| 20:43.02 | ckknight | yep, it does look like 20 |
| 20:43.15 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'll give you points... |
| 20:44.05 | dylanm | ckknight: Granted, anyone that enters at that level is being a jackass. |
| 20:44.05 | ckknight | right |
| 20:44.05 | ckknight | dylanm: trying to test something |
| 20:44.05 | Hirsute | Why? Just because they're going to get creamed by all the level 29 twinks? |
| 20:44.46 | erikd | i loved my 29 twink rogue at 60 |
| 20:45.08 | erikd | but then i leveled her to gank people in org instead of bg's |
| 20:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizzard stream is now streaming! |
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| 20:46.56 | Hirsute | This is part of why I don't like PvP... the ganking, the expectation that you'll get to the highest possible level for a BG bracket before entering a BG... I'll take my PvE. |
| 20:47.12 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 20:47.13 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: For WWI? |
| 20:47.14 | Lunessa | ... am I the only one that imagined ScytheBlade1's computer being a unrinal? |
| 20:47.22 | Hirsute | HAH! |
| 20:47.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: yes |
| 20:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: lol |
| 20:47.32 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Probably, but that's a funny image |
| 20:47.50 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: wait what? It's like 10pm Friday Paris time isn't it? |
| 20:48.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: am |
| 20:48.14 | Hirsute | If only I wasn't having to borrow my neighbor's connection right now.... (Waiting on the tech to come confirm that my DSL modem is dead and give me a new one) |
| 20:48.36 | Dashkal | AM? I'm confused. I'm at GMT-7 over here in Vancouver, and it's 1:48pm |
| 20:48.43 | Dashkal | I thought Paris was +2 |
| 20:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 20:48.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Err yes, PM |
| 20:49.05 | Dashkal | It is too PM |
| 20:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf I can't read columns correctly |
| 20:49.09 | Dashkal | :p |
| 20:49.11 | Dashkal | ok, I feel better |
| 20:49.48 | Dashkal | Which brings up my confusion again. I thought opening ceremonies were in 12 more hours. The feeds just up early? |
| 20:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It was just throwing an error a bit ago |
| 20:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Now there's a static picture on screen |
| 20:51.43 | Lunessa | impatient non-attendees are impatient. |
| 20:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: trying to get a stream save working before I have to afk |
| 20:52.32 | Hirsute | What's the link to the feed? |
| 20:52.33 | Lunessa | How many hours of empty pixels do you want to record? |
| 20:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: zero, it's called scheduled execution ;) |
| 20:53.13 | Lunessa | ;) |
| 20:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://eu.blizzard.com/wwi08/streams.xml |
| 20:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And right there |
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| 20:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475661154&sid=1#7 |
| 20:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 20:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | #6 |
| 20:58.22 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 20:59.15 | Dashkal | ROFL |
| 20:59.16 | Dashkal | nice |
| 20:59.55 | Hirsute | Bwha-hahah. They wrapped up a lot of speculation into that one blue post. That's wonderful. |
| 21:00.42 | Dashkal | I want my live salmon! |
| 21:00.50 | Lopeppeppy | Urk. |
| 21:01.00 | Lunessa | Malkorix is the bomb. |
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| 21:02.45 | cogwheel | sp.,24YPP., SRHC,APU.09GMJ'532LA.J,SCMA.,GR.O2'B34GB2QPRGMP.J,AG |
| 21:02.48 | Zurik | cogwheel: Hey, Found the issue. The hieght of that frontString was not enough for the text to actually wrap to the next line. |
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| 21:03.05 | cogwheel | good to know :) |
| 21:03.27 | cogwheel | "Mark? ... MARK?.... MATTHEW IS MARK BACK YET?" |
| 21:03.29 | Zurik | yeah since the fontString doesn't auto adjust for height, it needs to be big enough to support the text. |
| 21:03.36 | cogwheel | WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO SAY??! |
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| 21:05.00 | ckknight | in AB, how long does it take to take an area from the other side? |
| 21:05.15 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I'd answer with, "Don't you think he'd answer the speaker BLARING NEXT TO HIS OWN FUCKING EAR IF HE WERE HERE, JACKASS?" |
| 21:05.15 | Tekkub | cogwheel, nothing, make him come upstairs and see |
| 21:06.04 | Lunessa | But then again, I'm used to updating my resume often. |
| 21:06.19 | ckknight | k, found out: 62.5 seconds |
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| 21:07.47 | ScytheBl1de1 | Ha |
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| 21:07.52 | ScytheBl1de1 | When in doubt, use VLC |
| 21:08.36 | malreth | ~stab ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:08.36 | purl | ACTION runs at ScytheBlade1 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 21:11.57 | Lunessa | *sigh* People unclear on the concept of gems: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Udez |
| 21:12.21 | CroX | Anyone here know what happened to the european realms? I can't seem to connect to either the website nor any of the servers. |
| 21:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: eh? i don't see anything strikingly bad there? |
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| 21:13.46 | Lunessa | Prot paladin with crappy hit, crappy spell power, all stamina gems. |
| 21:13.51 | malreth | stamina out the wazoo |
| 21:14.34 | malreth | guy might have a stamina set of gear that he logged out in, i suppose |
| 21:14.50 | NightHawkTheSane | well, he's a prot pally, so you'd EXPECT sta gems. |
| 21:15.00 | malreth | but then, i don't know from paladin |
| 21:15.00 | NightHawkTheSane | the hit/dmg gems in the mail gear is.. odd. |
| 21:15.02 | erikd | i don't see a problem with the gems |
| 21:15.16 | Lunessa | Yes, but paladins rely on +hit and Spell power for aggro. |
| 21:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you dont need to gem for it, though |
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| 21:15.50 | Lunessa | No, but he passed up the chance to do so when he's not STA deficient. |
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| 21:16.02 | Hirsute | you do if your gear isn't providing enough |
| 21:16.06 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no such thing as "not sta deficiant" |
| 21:16.36 | Cide | yes there is :P |
| 21:16.46 | NightHawkTheSane | The only real questionable things i see are, like i said, the gems in the mail gear, but it could be spell dmg pieces he's yet to upgrade |
| 21:17.07 | Lunessa | My point is - he made it hard on himself to get/keep aggro to be able to take a small bonus to health. |
| 21:17.24 | Lunessa | *shrug* |
| 21:17.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'd disagree, you dont need all that much damage as a pally to hold agro well enouogh |
| 21:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | just a good weapon, really |
| 21:18.01 | erikd | our prot pally sockets quite a bit of sta |
| 21:19.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 21:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | so yeah, no, nothing wrong with his gear really |
| 21:20.27 | Lunessa | Meh, gear strategies will always change. I shouldn't be critical. His guild is doing better than mine. |
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| 21:24.36 | Hirsute | His gear does highlight one of the irritations I had with TBC, though. Pally tanks can do well in regular old +def/shield block/stam plate, yet *so much* of the new plate (quest rewards, craftables) in TBC was Pally plate, with +spell damage/+spell power, etc. |
| 21:24.58 | Hirsute | I hated completing quests, seeing a nice plate quest reward, and finding that it was pally plate. |
| 21:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: well, arguably, that gear was "designed" for ret pallies, back when crusader strike scaled with +dmg, not ap, or whatever it is now |
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| 21:25.27 | Lunessa | You could have been in mu shoes. Oooo... No mail. Or healer Mail. |
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| 21:26.28 | Lunessa | I ran around with a stupid blue chest item until 2.4 shipped. |
| 21:26.42 | Hirsute | I've got nothing against pallies, and was happy to see them get gear, I just hated that there was hardly any prot warrior gear available short of instancing. |
| 21:27.05 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Yeah, similar problem, there are a few classes/specs that kindof got the gear shaft for a long time in BC. |
| 21:27.31 | NightHawkTheSane | I think they just didn't plan for a large number of people to be leveling with certain specs. |
| 21:27.32 | Hirsute | Mmmmm. Mu shu... |
| 21:27.50 | Lunessa | Badge gear is simply the best gear I was likely to ever see as an enhancement shaman short of BT and Sunwell stuff. |
| 21:27.57 | Tekkub | I would plan on people only leveling on DPS specs |
| 21:28.10 | Tekkub | but that's me, I want to punish the other inefficient fools |
| 21:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: which is precisely what they did. |
| 21:28.29 | NightHawkTheSane | and, i cant argue it either, but some people chose to level holy/prot/resto/whatever |
| 21:28.51 | Tekkub | yea I know, I leveled with a holy pally that never fucking healed |
| 21:28.58 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 21:29.00 | Tekkub | then he tried prot and never fucking held aggro |
| 21:29.11 | Lunessa | Leveling as a healer was slow, painful, and hard if you didn't have a group all the time. And if you DID have a group all the time it was only for instances. No one wants to help you finish regular quest. Hence, DPS spec. |
| 21:29.38 | Tekkub | then he went ret for 55-70 and it wasn't too bad, thought my 63 ret pally tanks for his stupid boomkin now |
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| 21:29.59 | Tekkub | and his 70 pally went back to prot, and still doesn't tank or heal the person that ends up tanking |
| 21:30.11 | Tekkub | he just kinda... hits things with a stick |
| 21:30.14 | Hirsute | It's possible. But when you make your greens better than the previous purples, that 60 prot warrior who's trying to get to 70 gets disappointed at seeing *almost* better green plate, that would be better if there were some for warriors. |
| 21:30.17 | Tekkub | if it's leveled up... |
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| 21:31.03 | Lunessa | I rather expect the expansion will have the benefit of lessons learned in TBC. |
| 21:31.29 | NightHawkTheSane | time will tell |
| 21:31.29 | Tekkub | Lunessa, DPS always... I'm duo'd with a boomy druid, so in theory both of us can tank/dps/heal... |
| 21:31.34 | Tekkub | I do all of the above |
| 21:31.40 | Tekkub | he kinda DPSs a bit |
| 21:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been leveling a prot pally, and done almost all of it grouped with a shadow priest, that worked very nicely. :) |
| 21:32.18 | Tekkub | sometimes he tries to heal me when I get low and am about to pop LoH |
| 21:32.39 | Tekkub | but usually he's just oblivious to everything |
| 21:32.43 | Lunessa | I leveled a holy priest, a warlock, a mage, and a shaman. I've also leveled a druid and a warrior. After 55 levels of Prot, I said "fuck it" and went Arms. |
| 21:33.02 | Lunessa | I've never gotten a paladin past 30. |
| 21:33.14 | Tekkub | heh, I hate body pulling on my tardadin |
| 21:33.38 | Tekkub | but I can't let him pull because then he does it at exactly the wrong time and gets adds |
| 21:33.41 | Mikk | I got my pally to 60. But only because I had a point to prove |
| 21:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | only way i was able to get a pally past 25ish was to do it with someone else. |
| 21:33.49 | Mikk | Noone thought pallies could heal back then |
| 21:33.51 | Mikk | I had to prove them wrong |
| 21:33.56 | Tekkub | pallies can heal? |
| 21:34.14 | dylanm | Mostly they whine. |
| 21:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | they still whine |
| 21:34.23 | Lunessa | I played a BE paladin for a while, planing to go Prot with a dash of Holy, but my rouge partner decided that soloing was more fun. *shrug* |
| 21:34.26 | erikd | pallies and druids are getting shafted now over shaman and priests =/ |
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| 21:34.30 | Tekkub | pallies get to whine? |
| 21:34.37 | erikd | (in pve) |
| 21:34.47 | Tekkub | I want to make a Belfadin just to name him FlamingJustice |
| 21:34.53 | Tekkub | but I can't level another pally |
| 21:35.00 | dylanm | Might be too long of a name. |
| 21:35.00 | Hirsute | A lot of classes have been shafted in PvE. I blame the Arenas. |
| 21:35.08 | Tekkub | it's not :) |
| 21:35.14 | dylanm | Hottt. |
| 21:35.29 | erikd | flourish will help a ton for druids at 80, dunno what pallies are getting |
| 21:35.50 | Tekkub | pallies are getting [The Shaft] |
| 21:36.02 | Tekkub | wheee whining is fun! |
| 21:36.14 | Tekkub | why didn't you guys tell me I get to whine earlier? |
| 21:36.18 | Hirsute | Yay for the QQ |
| 21:36.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it's in the handbook you get when you roll a pally, we thought you knew. |
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| 21:42.59 | Tekkub | lawl.... |
| 21:43.32 | Tekkub | I changed my "new email" sound to GLADOS's "Wheeee" from when you first learn to fling |
| 21:43.39 | Tekkub | it's great |
| 21:44.10 | Tekkub | I giggle every time I get email :) |
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| 21:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: that's genius |
| 21:46.20 | Tekkub | isn't it? |
| 21:50.20 | Arrowmaster | ive got one of those ontop of my crt on the corner of my desk |
| 21:52.54 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Seeing as my computer is my television... |
| 21:53.49 | Lopeppeppy | Scary male. |
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| 22:00.23 | Falkman|AB | Hey everyone, im just wondering? how do i read the last whisper i recieved? Is it possible? |
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| 22:02.10 | Lunessa | Ok, time for go. See you all tomorrow. STATION! |
| 22:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, off for a little while to let the computer room cool down. Toodles. |
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| 22:04.06 | Anaral | Does the addon CooldownTimers2 show target timers? If not, what is a good add on that shows the timer under the debuff? |
| 22:05.58 | Dashkal | Mind you, the flip side of Hortus being able to be so snappy back, is I'm totally disinclined to help him QA... |
| 22:10.03 | Falkman|AB | How do i retrieve the last whisper i got using a script? |
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| 22:20.57 | Kirov | Falkman|AB - you want the last person you were whispered by, or the last message? |
| 22:25.45 | Falkman|AB | the last message |
| 22:25.51 | Falkman|AB | i wanna make a status like thing for my lvling |
| 22:26.04 | Falkman|AB | and thats the only part i dont know |
| 22:27.09 | Kirov | So, you received a whisper at some point, and you want to go back and see what it was, or you just want to know what the whisper is that you're receiving now? |
| 22:27.32 | Falkman|AB | i want to know the whisper, aka make an if seeing if I got a whisper stating "status" |
| 22:27.46 | cogwheel | :( |
| 22:28.03 | Kirov | You need to make a frame that watches for the whisper event. |
| 22:28.15 | Falkman|AB | how do i get the last message in general? |
| 22:28.32 | Kirov | There's not really a way to get "the last message" |
| 22:28.40 | Falkman|AB | :\ |
| 22:28.45 | Kirov | Unless you're actively tracking them already to start with. |
| 22:28.53 | Kirov | Which, again, requires a frame watching for that event. |
| 22:29.06 | Falkman|AB | if i make a frame then what do i do? |
| 22:29.18 | Kirov | read wowwiki |
| 22:30.02 | Falkman|AB | ah i c |
| 22:30.05 | Falkman|AB | hookin chat message |
| 22:30.06 | Falkman|AB | s |
| 22:30.27 | Kirov | well, no. You only want to do that part if you don't want the whisper to show (which you might) |
| 22:30.47 | Falkman|AB | :( |
| 22:34.57 | Falkman|AB | is there a way i can make a /script stay for the whole document? |
| 22:35.03 | Falkman|AB | im just using supermacro to make quick things |
| 22:35.19 | Falkman|AB | like have multiple lines without /script /script /script |
| 22:35.57 | Shirik | well this is odd |
| 22:36.01 | Shirik | Pandora's acting like a broken record |
| 22:36.07 | Shirik | keeps playing the same section over and over |
| 22:36.15 | Dashkal | Pandora needs to come back to canada :( |
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| 23:03.20 | Tekkub | not to freak out, but why would you want one? |
| 23:03.35 | Thunder_Child | they are handy |
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| 23:04.07 | ckknight | seems like that'd be more maintenance than worthwhile |
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| 23:06.10 | cogwheel | cleaner (harder to miss, and there are splashless models), use less water, easier to... use when... hmm... i think i'll leave this one out... |
| 23:06.22 | JamesJr | Hello, can I ask a question in here? |
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| 23:06.28 | cogwheel | didn't you just? |
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| 23:06.44 | ckknight | ~asktoask |
| 23:06.44 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 23:06.44 | JamesJr | Will WoW work on http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8854572&type=product&id=1209166341042 |
| 23:07.06 | erikd | wow will work on any modern pc |
| 23:07.08 | ckknight | JamesJr: yes, but not very well |
| 23:07.10 | ckknight | imo |
| 23:07.14 | cogwheel | it will be a bit painful |
| 23:07.21 | ckknight | WoW is pretty CPU intensive when it comes down to it |
| 23:07.25 | cogwheel | but i've seen it run fine on worse specs |
| 23:07.39 | JamesJr | Would more RaM make it better or is it just plain awful? |
| 23:07.57 | cogwheel | I'd recommend a min of 1.5 gigs for that since the video shares with RAM |
| 23:08.01 | Dashkal | heh, I ran it on that speed CPU and a half gig of ram. You'll survive |
| 23:08.16 | JamesJr | ok; one moment |
| 23:08.19 | Dashkal | oh, intel graphics. |
| 23:08.24 | Dashkal | ow |
| 23:08.30 | ckknight | intel graphics will cause it to hurt. |
| 23:08.30 | cogwheel | More than about 2 gigs won't see much improvement |
| 23:08.55 | cogwheel | and yeah... if you can swing something with nvidia or ati graphics, you'll do yourself a lot of favors |
| 23:12.10 | cogwheel | JamesJr: I'm sure the channel thanks you for changing the subject >< |
| 23:12.51 | Dark_Elf | Tekkub does tekkub compare do everything that equipcompare does and then some? cause dumb me has both running and dont know why |
| 23:13.07 | JamesJr | what was the subject? |
| 23:13.24 | cogwheel | 16:01 * cogwheel wonders why people freak out at the idea of urinals in homes... |
| 23:13.35 | cogwheel | >< |
| 23:13.37 | Tekkub | it doesn't "and then some" it does the bare min you need |
| 23:13.46 | Tekkub | and nothing more |
| 23:14.01 | erikd | it's probably because public restrooms tend to be so nasty and they have a mental image of urinals being just as bad |
| 23:14.49 | Dark_Elf | ok thanks |
| 23:14.50 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 23:14.51 | JamesJr | This is the desktop i use to play WoW; is it much better than the laptop? http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-media-center/4507-3118_7-31660211.html?tag=sub |
| 23:15.15 | Dashkal | far better |
| 23:15.29 | JamesJr | oh ok |
| 23:15.32 | Dark_Elf | would think any desktop would be better than a lappy |
| 23:15.35 | Dashkal | better chip, same ram, and a real video card |
| 23:15.45 | erikd | yeah, the raw specs are better and desktop parts tend to be more powerful than laptop ones |
| 23:15.46 | JamesJr | So I guess I will be continuing to play it on the desktop |
| 23:15.47 | cogwheel | it's still a shared memory video |
| 23:15.58 | cogwheel | but it's probably a hell of a lot better than Intel's |
| 23:16.33 | Dashkal | I swear the intel one just offloads 3d processing back to the CPU... |
| 23:16.57 | JamesJr | Thanks for yalls help. I didn't want to install it on this laptop and then it not work or something |
| 23:17.08 | Dashkal | It'll run, but stay the hell outta shatt :p |
| 23:17.08 | cogwheel | you should install and test it imo |
| 23:17.18 | JamesJr | oh ok |
| 23:17.19 | erikd | if you're used to playing it on that desktop you might be disappointed |
| 23:17.20 | cogwheel | won't hurt anything but your sanity if it blows |
| 23:17.34 | cogwheel | and then you can just uninstall it :) |
| 23:17.43 | JamesJr | I was told the desktop would suck before I installed it, but then it works great imo |
| 23:17.47 | erikd | but it'll run! :) |
| 23:18.07 | cogwheel | just make sure you turn all the video options to their bare minimum before giving up ;) |
| 23:18.14 | JamesJr | ok |
| 23:19.23 | Dark_Elf | may not work good on lappy since it celeron |
| 23:19.55 | erikd | at least it's not a first gen celeron where they forgot to add a cache |
| 23:20.52 | Dark_Elf | true |
| 23:20.53 | Dashkal | I had one of those... |
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| 23:32.50 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475680722&postId=74748396365&sid=1 (Read the paladin requirements thing ... the last sentence.) |
| 23:34.02 | JamesJr | im a paladin :) |
| 23:34.26 | Dashkal | wow that looks like a drama factory right there |
| 23:34.44 | |Jelly| | Oh, it is. Burning Legion forums are ... honestly, some of the worst I've ever seen. |
| 23:36.57 | Dashkal | I hear mine are bad, but I'm so adverse to the pug population on failstrom, I try hard to avoid it |
| 23:37.25 | wereHamster | stupid excel, how can I sprintf("Text here %s", Sheet!A1) into a cell? |
| 23:37.27 | |Jelly| | I was hoping that Arrowmaster would chime in but eh. |
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