| 00:00.43 | Sixen | Isn't there a user named AlexanderYoshi? |
| 00:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | There is |
| 00:01.17 | Sixen | Ho hum. |
| 00:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Why? |
| 00:02.47 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9049-Gossipmonger.html |
| 00:02.50 | foxlit | novel! |
| 00:03.09 | Sixen | Just wondering |
| 00:03.15 | Sixen | He plays on the same server as me, just found that out |
| 00:03.24 | foxlit | (although jpeg compression is crap) |
| 00:06.35 | kd3 | https over localhost, ok. https over net, fail |
| 00:08.41 | Tenchworks | wow thanks for the link there Foxlit, I've never liked the skipping of the gossip mesages. Guess i'm a wierd one to actually want to have a convoseration with the npc (they have feelings too you know), hehe |
| 00:09.07 | Sixen | Is there wireshark for linux? |
| 00:09.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: yup |
| 00:09.16 | Tenchworks | bah he had left already |
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| 00:19.49 | kd3 | whee... thank you, router. for dropping all connections each time I change something |
| 00:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee, 171 blossoms |
| 00:21.24 | kd3 | been busy desecrating fires? |
| 00:21.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Still am |
| 00:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Just about done with Eastern Kingdoms |
| 00:24.22 | Anaral | Old world total is 497 blossoms. |
| 00:24.32 | Nechckn | Tenchworks I actually like reading all of that crap.... one of the reasons why it takes me forever to level, since I pay attention to the quests and such |
| 00:24.51 | Nechckn | it adds a bit to the game imnsho and helps to make it last longer |
| 00:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | HOLY CRAP |
| 00:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | AN ADDON THAT USES THE SECURE PIE TEMPLATE |
| 00:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.go-hero.net/opie/gallery |
| 00:28.30 | Tekkub | BATMAN |
| 00:28.49 | Arrowmaster | WTF! |
| 00:29.11 | Tenchworks | ? what am I looking at? |
| 00:29.14 | Arrowmaster | THE FIRST RULL OF SECURE PIE TEMPLATE IS THAT YOU DONT USE SECURE PIE TEMPLATE! |
| 00:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | *RULE |
| 00:31.57 | Arrowmaster | a druid with a skull of guldan???? |
| 00:32.00 | Arrowmaster | KILL IT! |
| 00:32.05 | Thunder_Child | the second rule is you explain it in perfect detail so other people cant use it eather |
| 00:32.46 | Arrowmaster | from that video im wonder if theres an onupdate being used to track the mouse for that graphic effect or if thats part of the templatte |
| 00:34.23 | Tekkub | o/~ staring at you booooOOOOOOOooooobs o/~ |
| 00:34.29 | Thunder_Child | hmm..that would be rather interesting with a touch screen |
| 00:34.42 | Arrowmaster | that say OPie as the name? |
| 00:34.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But really |
| 00:34.50 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 00:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Something that uses the secure pie template |
| 00:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 00:35.02 | Tekkub | Cowpie would have been a better name |
| 00:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | agreed |
| 00:35.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html |
| 00:36.12 | Arrowmaster | oh ofcourse this video is hosted on the official site |
| 00:36.20 | Arrowmaster | i wasted time googling |
| 00:36.38 | Tenchworks | interesting addon, probally gonna be every minimalists clicker's dream addon |
| 00:37.37 | Tekkub | sadly I don't have a key free to bind to opening a pie menu |
| 00:39.56 | Arrowmaster | im wondering about the code quality after looking at this api doc, looks decent from first glance |
| 00:52.44 | Yssaril | what is the secure pie template anyways? |
| 00:53.03 | Kaso | it allows sort gesture based actions |
| 00:53.15 | MentalPower | Yssaril: look at the video |
| 00:53.26 | Kaso | when activated depending on which way you move your mouse from the center it can do a different action |
| 00:53.58 | MentalPower | created by Iriel along with the other secure*templates, but until now never used |
| 00:54.25 | Arrowmaster | too bad you cant recenter the mouse on opening it |
| 00:54.34 | Arrowmaster | but you can open it at the mouse right? |
| 00:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 00:55.09 | Kaso | all the codes in SecureTemplates.lua/xml along with a bunch of comments |
| 00:55.15 | Tekkub | can you open it off a unit frame and get actions on that unit? |
| 00:55.23 | Tekkub | I.E. Clique in a pie |
| 00:55.51 | MentalPower | yes |
| 00:55.59 | Tekkub | mmmmmmmmm..... |
| 00:56.00 | Nechckn | Tekkub Yeah.. I was just thinking of that |
| 00:56.12 | Tekkub | that I WOULD use |
| 00:56.38 | Nechckn | click a unit, then move mouse right to use max heal... up to medium, left for minimal |
| 00:56.41 | Nechckn | or whatever |
| 00:57.03 | Nechckn | talk about carpal tunnel! |
| 00:57.05 | Tekkub | yea I do' up max, right mid, down fast/cheap |
| 00:57.30 | Nechckn | and left for cheap & dirty!! |
| 00:57.49 | Thunder_Child | oh...does it do porn as well then? |
| 00:58.44 | Nechckn | have MentalPower get you set up with the movie player when you "gesture" to the left =) |
| 00:58.59 | Tekkub | up and to the left for hard and fast |
| 00:59.04 | Thunder_Child | with my luck it will be rickrolled |
| 00:59.07 | Tekkub | up and to the right for deep and slow |
| 00:59.24 | MentalPower | Nechckn: bad chicken... |
| 01:03.51 | Nechckn | just think of the |
| 01:03.59 | Nechckn | "defaults" you could include |
| 01:04.18 | Nechckn | folks would wonder why it takes 30 minutes to d/l |
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| 01:19.46 | MentalPower | lo |
| 01:19.48 | MentalPower | lol |
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| 02:24.25 | Seerah | wowace was more active, but I guess I'll try here too. ;) |
| 02:24.25 | Seerah | anyone have some insight into why I get an error of "attempt to call method 'SetMovable' (a nil value)Â " with this code? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89904 |
| 02:24.43 | Tekkub | it's not movable? |
| 02:24.56 | Seerah | I get that error, and my frames are not movable |
| 02:25.21 | Seerah | it was working fine when doing it one frame at a time. When I moved them into the table and tried to do it that way, I got the error |
| 02:25.39 | Anaral | hold down alt? |
| 02:25.52 | Tekkub | you sure it worked on every frame? |
| 02:26.19 | Tekkub | also "for frame in pairs..." |
| 02:26.23 | Seerah | dylanm is helping me now in the other channel |
| 02:26.27 | Tekkub | ,_ is redundant |
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| 02:26.37 | Tekkub | FINE FUCK YOU TOO |
| 02:26.46 | Tekkub | I'll go do paying work |
| 02:26.55 | Seerah | <3 you, too, tek :) |
| 02:27.09 | Seerah | he said I should do [Minimap] = true instead of Minimap = true |
| 02:31.27 | Tekkub | yea, 'Minimap = true' == '["Minimap"] = true' |
| 02:33.45 | Seerah | yeah, I was being blonde there |
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| 02:39.24 | Kaso | I hate it when games auto-save you into a dead end. Like an auto-save fires off 0.1sec before some mob hits a killing blow on you |
| 02:39.31 | Kaso | so youve gotta backtrack |
| 02:40.01 | Kaso | Why cant they all be like hl2, ive never once had to worry about the autosaves in that, they all seem just right |
| 02:45.23 | Tekkub | I love the games that have explicit autosaves that tell you... but then also have a hiden auto-save every time oyou enter a new zone |
| 02:45.58 | Tekkub | you think "fuck it I'll reset back to my last save and be back in town"... and you load up back where you exited |
| 02:46.29 | Kaso | its a nice suprise :> |
| 02:46.42 | Tekkub | except when you don't want to be there |
| 02:47.04 | Kaso | minor details! |
| 02:49.57 | Seerah | tekkub, I believe I'm doing something else wrong. My PPCoords table keeps being nil. Apparently I suck at this stuff. :P |
| 02:50.10 | Tekkub | paste it |
| 02:50.21 | Seerah | same http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89904 |
| 02:50.32 | Seerah | (that's the relevant part of the code) |
| 02:50.52 | Seerah | and yes, PPCoords is defined in the TOC, it's the sv file that says PPCoords = nil |
| 02:50.54 | Tekkub | you just want to act on this set of frames once, da? |
| 02:51.15 | Tekkub | for _,frame in pairs({Minimap, QuestWatchFrame, ...}) |
| 02:51.34 | Seerah | this is part of my minimap addon. I want those frames movable, saving where the position is and restoring it on login |
| 02:51.56 | Tekkub | oh PPcords is a savedvar? |
| 02:52.00 | Seerah | da |
| 02:52.15 | Tekkub | when are you doing this, load or ADDON_LOADED arg1 == "MyAddonName" ? |
| 02:52.38 | Seerah | no events defined. Just the scripts |
| 02:52.47 | Tekkub | if you do it on load, on ADDON_LOADED the savedvar is overwritten with what was saved (nil) |
| 02:52.50 | dylanm | Seerah: If the code is the same you're setting your local definition of PPCoords to {} every time. |
| 02:53.18 | Kaso | cant save variable a local! |
| 02:53.26 | dylanm | local PPCoords = PPCoords or {} would probably work. |
| 02:53.29 | Tekkub | oh yea, no local too |
| 02:53.37 | Seerah | that would be another blonde moment ;) |
| 02:53.47 | Tekkub | either way, don't bugger with the SV until ADDON_LOADED |
| 02:53.53 | dylanm | You can remove the local too but I doubt it hurts. |
| 02:53.59 | dylanm | Also what Tekkub said. |
| 02:54.09 | Tekkub | and make sure it's your addon that loaded |
| 02:54.21 | Seerah | but if the scripts get run, then wouldn't the addon be loaded? ;) |
| 02:54.24 | Seerah | hehe |
| 02:54.36 | Tekkub | but yea I do "svname = svname or {}; local db = svname |
| 02:55.06 | Tekkub | it's possible to cause AL to fire for another addon before it fires for yours, after yours has started loading |
| 02:55.23 | Tekkub | so always check the name passed with the event to be safe |
| 02:55.26 | dylanm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_loading_process is a good page. |
| 02:56.04 | Seerah | yes, I just hadn't done that yet because everything else was working without events. Then I try to get more complicated... :P |
| 02:56.28 | Kaso | VARIABLES_LOADED seems so out-dated nowadays. eee, i remeber the days when we all had to share one big sv file!! |
| 02:56.40 | dylanm | I should probably work that into the other wiki somehow. |
| 02:57.42 | Kaso | then there was that random period of like 1 patch where each realm got a SV file but addons still shared iirc. then after that the finally made it how it should have been from the start |
| 02:57.47 | Kaso | (i think) |
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| 02:58.31 | Tekkub | They need to make more shit realm-faction saved instead of per-char |
| 02:58.36 | Tekkub | like the FRIENDS LIST |
| 02:58.53 | Tekkub | make one list, and expand it's size since you're not saving per-char |
| 02:59.05 | Tekkub | same with ignore |
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| 02:59.42 | Kaso | yah i agree with that |
| 03:00.16 | MentalPower | Tekkub: theres currently no server-faction saved stuff anywhere |
| 03:00.38 | Tekkub | I know |
| 03:00.42 | Tekkub | there should be |
| 03:00.54 | Tekkub | all the social shit for one |
| 03:01.04 | MentalPower | granted |
| 03:08.03 | Kaso | North Korea is like the only proper country that has 0 firefox 3 downloads |
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| 03:09.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure it had some, too |
| 03:09.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they probably had to use proxies |
| 03:09.18 | Kaso | mmm, true |
| 03:09.45 | Tekkub | "proper"? North Korea? |
| 03:10.13 | Kaso | more proper than "South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands" pop 20 |
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| 03:40.28 | Seerah | bah... sv is still nil... I'm about to give up for tonight |
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| 03:57.58 | DARKGuy | Anybody knows WTF is the yellow "Cooldowns" text in the middle of my screen >.<?? All I did was to install MSBT and CoolDownButtons :(... I can't take it off |
| 03:58.23 | dylanm | Did you try disabling one and seeing if it's still there? |
| 03:58.31 | DARKGuy | Not yet, I'm raiding |
| 03:58.33 | DARKGuy | but it's annoying |
| 03:58.45 | DARKGuy | I also forgot to put OptionHouse xD |
| 03:59.01 | dylanm | I'm guessing it's CDB because I use MSBT a lot and I've never seen what you're describing. |
| 03:59.05 | dylanm | Is it draggable? |
| 03:59.09 | DARKGuy | nope :/ |
| 03:59.20 | DARKGuy | it should be CDB, but I can't find a way to toggle it off |
| 04:00.19 | DARKGuy | ah, it's oRA2 |
| 04:00.20 | DARKGuy | -.-" |
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| 04:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | if its ora2, try alt-drag |
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| 04:38.32 | Tekkub | hehe... I go give the cats some food and watch the door as I do... Rommie comes around the corner so fast I could see her leaning into the turn |
| 04:39.48 | Seerah | hehe |
| 04:40.00 | Seerah | my dog doesn't run for his food like that anymore |
| 04:40.25 | Seerah | we used to have to tell him to sit like 10 times before we could put it in his dish |
| 04:40.33 | Tekkub | Rommie gets annoying when she can see the bottom of her bowl |
| 04:40.46 | Tekkub | just shake it so she can't, se stops being annoying |
| 04:41.22 | Seerah | Bruiser (my dog) looooves water out of the bathroom sink faucet |
| 04:41.42 | Seerah | when he jumps up to drink some, his hind feet leave the floor, too |
| 04:41.57 | Seerah | we keep thinking that one of these days he'll jump right up on the counter |
| 04:42.05 | Seerah | (big dog, btw - 77lbs) |
| 04:42.21 | Tekkub | ask Cair, fuzz is a dick about standing bowls of water |
| 04:42.30 | Tekkub | he drags any clothes on the floor into them |
| 04:42.42 | Tekkub | he tries to drink out of the tub faucet if it leaks |
| 04:42.52 | Tekkub | we had to buy a circulationg water bowl |
| 04:43.08 | Seerah | if there are floaties in his water, he won't drink it unless he's dying of thirst and we're ignoring his forays into the bathroom |
| 04:43.29 | Seerah | ooh, I've been meaning to look at dog.com for some water gizmo |
| 04:44.40 | Corrodias | i'd recommend training to get the dog to do what you want instead of buying new gadgets to satisfy their whims |
| 04:45.02 | Corrodias | but i don't really know much about that. i don't really like dogs. i've just seen a few eps of the Dog Whisperer. |
| 04:45.40 | Seerah | hehe |
| 04:45.52 | Seerah | he's our only child - he's spoiled |
| 04:47.20 | Thunder_Child | so according to usps, my package has leftt Bell, CA as of today and will arive at my house on the 25. Bell, CA is 18 miles from my house. it will take 3 days to get here. |
| 04:47.43 | Corrodias | call and arrange a pickup instead |
| 04:47.55 | Fisker- | nah |
| 04:47.59 | Fisker- | nuke them |
| 04:48.01 | Fisker- | and rape their mothers |
| 04:48.10 | Thunder_Child | thanks Fisker-, helpfull as ever |
| 04:48.22 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, i dont think i have that option |
| 04:48.31 | Corrodias | well, can't hurt to try |
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| 04:49.29 | Tekkub | Corrodias, training might work with dogs, but you've obviously never owned a cat |
| 04:49.42 | Corrodias | i thought we were talking about dogs |
| 04:49.43 | Corrodias | never mind |
| 04:49.46 | Thunder_Child | i have owned your cat... |
| 04:50.01 | Fisker- | i own your mothers pussy |
| 04:50.03 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 04:50.06 | Corrodias | i owned your cat at UT3 last night |
| 04:50.14 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child has obviously never dueled a cat either |
| 04:50.24 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, damn right i have |
| 04:50.33 | Thunder_Child | i also lost...but not to /your/ cat |
| 04:50.39 | Tekkub | oh, so you're just delusional, okey |
| 04:50.45 | Thunder_Child | eh, works for me |
| 04:51.23 | Corrodias | my new monitor should arrive in a few days, as well |
| 04:51.47 | Thunder_Child | i want a 3rd monitor :( |
| 04:53.09 | Corrodias | i ordered a dell 2408wfp, yay! |
| 04:53.46 | Tekkub | I don't have much need for a 3rd now that my 2 widescreens have the same area 3 fulls did |
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| 04:55.25 | Tekkub | extra 48 pixels horiz, 132-282 pixels vert :) |
| 04:55.46 | Corrodias | doesn't SOUND like much, but it adds up |
| 04:56.44 | Tekkub | 29% more screen area |
| 04:57.06 | Tekkub | and a good chunk of recovered desk space too |
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| 05:02.00 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I'm buying a laptop in days (hopefully) could people recommend me parts or premade laptops ? |
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| 05:02.35 | Thunder_Child | cncfanatics, what do you want your laptop able to do? |
| 05:02.52 | cncfanatics | play world of warcraft, compile LOTS of stuff FAST |
| 05:03.02 | cncfanatics | and be small & handy enough to be taken in the train |
| 05:03.14 | cncfanatics | I might also play the occasional other game then WoW, but not often |
| 05:03.19 | Thunder_Child | give a size/weight bracket |
| 05:03.28 | cncfanatics | oh, and I want it to not have windows but linux :p |
| 05:03.51 | Thunder_Child | well that can be done anytime |
| 05:04.11 | cncfanatics | well, most laptops are supplied with microsoft crap |
| 05:04.16 | cncfanatics | which is anoying |
| 05:04.29 | MentalPower | format |
| 05:04.42 | cncfanatics | I'd go for 15" prolly |
| 05:04.45 | MentalPower | I do that any time I get a new comp |
| 05:05.06 | cncfanatics | also; can someone tell me if an SSD is worth it ? |
| 05:05.08 | MentalPower | I'd also recommend a Dell, if only for their awesome warranty |
| 05:05.17 | Thunder_Child | depends on the space requirements |
| 05:05.19 | cncfanatics | an SSD for the OS and a regular HD for the rest seems like fast |
| 05:06.15 | Tekkub | YATTA! Explorer crashed! |
| 05:06.23 | Tekkub | I've been waiting for this for 2 days now |
| 05:06.23 | Corrodias | yatta, yatta~ |
| 05:06.40 | cncfanatics | MentalPower: I was thinking to go for a custom made laptop |
| 05:06.41 | Corrodias | ~greenleaf~ |
| 05:07.21 | MentalPower | good luck with that |
| 05:09.04 | cncfanatics | well, there's a company in holland that does those :p |
| 05:10.47 | cncfanatics | anyway, I'm gonna go solve my final exam |
| 05:10.49 | cncfanatics | back in 4 hours |
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| 05:36.57 | Tekkub | Well, OPie certainly looks pretty. but it's config sucks |
| 05:37.18 | MentalPower | Fisker-: ^^^^ |
| 05:37.19 | Tekkub | and it can't spawn off a unitframe and cast the spell on that unit as far as I can tell |
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| 05:41.21 | Nechckn | Is anyone running Auctioneer on the Alliance PVE, PTR? we could use a paw for some testing |
| 05:41.27 | Nechckn | would only take a couple minutes |
| 05:41.57 | Nechckn | and downloading a file.. okay, so a few minutes, total =) |
| 05:42.34 | Nechckn | Tekkub no UF == no good! |
| 05:42.58 | Nechckn | eeshh... I had such hopes for using it with my tablet |
| 05:43.45 | Tekkub | yea, I'd give up a mouse button for it if I could get it back on my UF for the "rare" casting like decurse... |
| 05:43.49 | Tekkub | but nope |
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| 05:44.38 | Tekkub | if he's not on IRC, he mustn't be very good :) |
| 05:45.04 | Nechckn | snap! |
| 05:47.28 | Nom- | It's amazing the difference in performance on a multi-threaded app when you give it more than one core in your VM configuration XD |
| 05:48.35 | Nom- | Running on a single core, this app just killed the system.. now it's running happy :) |
| 05:50.15 | DARKGuy | Nom-: Linux? :O |
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| 06:12.18 | Corrodias | i wonder whether my new monitor will make playing a game through s-video while occasionally switching back to my PC to read a guide convenient, or if i'll have to just use the tv tuner card anyway |
| 06:14.10 | Corrodias | the video quality would also have to meet a certain required level, too |
| 06:14.14 | Corrodias | in addition. |
| 06:15.09 | Arrowmaster | last time i attempted to game with a tv tuner card i gave up right away due to input lag |
| 06:15.31 | Corrodias | mine doesn't have that problem, at least. the quality is very good. |
| 06:16.01 | Corrodias | which means the monitor would have to make switching be pretty convenient to make me abandon the card in favor of a direct connection |
| 06:16.19 | Arrowmaster | makes me sad that the best video quality ill be able to get when i get a ps3 is s-video until i get a new monitor |
| 06:16.27 | Corrodias | but if, for example, every time i switch i have to access a menu 3 layers deep, then readjust the scaling options, fuck it. |
| 06:16.47 | Thunder_Child | i can do DDR on my computer through a tv card and i gey no lag. and thats a rather speed intensive game |
| 06:16.58 | Thunder_Child | s/gey/get/ |
| 06:17.09 | Corrodias | it depends on your card, i suppose. possibly the software you're using to view it, too. |
| 06:17.24 | Thunder_Child | the card was $10 the software is free |
| 06:17.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ... george carlin is dead. |
| 06:17.54 | Arrowmaster | ati x800xtpe, but i was using mediaplayerclassic to display it because i didnt know what else to use |
| 06:17.55 | Corrodias | $10 seems pretty low |
| 06:18.19 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2339172520080623 |
| 06:18.21 | Corrodias | i'd recommend ChrisTV Lite, Arrowmaster; seems to be the only contemporary solution available |
| 06:18.50 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100120 it's a bitch to get drivers for vista but it works |
| 06:19.15 | Thunder_Child | and the program i use is dscaler |
| 06:19.17 | Corrodias | hm, that's one i haven't seen before |
| 06:19.27 | Corrodias | dscaler was good, but it hasn't been updated in many years :( |
| 06:19.35 | Thunder_Child | still works for me |
| 06:19.49 | Corrodias | that's fine, if your card is years old. it supports specific hardware. |
| 06:20.22 | Thunder_Child | not quite, it has a slightly different version of the chip in it |
| 06:21.21 | Corrodias | currently i'm viewing it without any deinterlacing. in christv, the framerate drop is too obvious and jarring. at least in the free stuff. |
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| 06:22.32 | Corrodias | i've grown used to the interlacing, though. it's really not that bad, and acceptable for 60fps. |
| 06:23.22 | Tekkub | eeeew... there is never an excuse for interlacing |
| 06:23.30 | Tekkub | I wish the HDTV spec didn't allow for it |
| 06:23.37 | Corrodias | there is if there are no better options |
| 06:23.45 | Tekkub | but it's just like the drivemaker's gigabyte... |
| 06:24.07 | Corrodias | drop the framerate with only mediocre results, or play on a tiny TV that's halfway across the room |
| 06:24.16 | Tekkub | it just won't die cause they can make you think your penis is larger than it really is... |
| 06:24.53 | Corrodias | "wow, look at the resolution i have now, despite how it's shit now!" |
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| 06:25.13 | Corrodias | "yeah, draw only half the stuff at once. brilliant!" |
| 06:26.00 | Tekkub | draw half the picture at a time and we can say that the resolution is twice what we're really displaying! |
| 06:26.08 | Tekkub | INGENIOUS |
| 06:26.40 | Corrodias | *grows 3 inches* |
| 06:27.21 | Tekkub | here's a 5" ruler, measure as much of your dick as you can from the base, then the same from the top |
| 06:27.31 | Tekkub | that's one nice 10" dick you got there |
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| 06:27.58 | Tekkub | my penis is 10i" long! |
| 06:27.59 | Corrodias | i... this metaphor is turning sour |
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| 06:28.34 | Tekkub | and that, in a nutshell, is my opinion on dicks and interlacing |
| 06:32.45 | Corrodias | i guess maybe it made back sense when televisions couldn't... draw fast enough... or something |
| 06:32.53 | Corrodias | *made sense back |
| 06:32.56 | Tekkub | yea, it did |
| 06:33.04 | Tekkub | but that was how many decades ago? |
| 06:33.18 | Corrodias | 5? |
| 06:33.44 | Tekkub | now it's just a stupid ploy to make your TV sound better than it actually is... "they're used to it, no reason to get rid of it!" |
| 06:34.47 | Tekkub | watching a SDTV gives me a headache... damn computer monitors have spoiled my brain with 75Hz |
| 06:35.16 | Corrodias | SD? what's that? |
| 06:35.26 | Tekkub | Shitty Def |
| 06:35.34 | Corrodias | woot |
| 06:35.39 | Tekkub | 320i! |
| 06:35.57 | Corrodias | i remember reading that LCD's all run at 60hz and that it's okay for them |
| 06:37.10 | Arrowmaster | they dont have a hz but part of the hardware is usually designed to be used with a 60hz input by default and tends to work best with 60hz since its designed for it |
| 06:37.10 | Tekkub | hrm... my big one only gives me 60 at native rez... but my smaller gives me a 75Hz option |
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| 06:37.51 | Corrodias | ah |
| 06:40.29 | Elkano | Cairenn: ping? |
| 06:41.22 | MentalPower | mine does either 60hz or 70hz |
| 06:41.49 | MentalPower | Tekkub: you *do* know the reason for 1080i right? |
| 06:42.20 | Tekkub | because 1024 made too much sense |
| 06:42.31 | MentalPower | no I mean the i part |
| 06:42.57 | Tekkub | *shrug* I still calim marketting conspiracy |
| 06:43.00 | MentalPower | cause it takes the same amount of bandwidth to transmit 1080i as 720p |
| 06:43.24 | MentalPower | vs twice as much bandwidth for 1080p |
| 06:43.24 | Tekkub | bandwidth all depends on how they compress it |
| 06:43.41 | Tekkub | *points at comcast recompressing HD channels* |
| 06:43.46 | MentalPower | and a significant amount of extra processing in decoding |
| 06:44.20 | Corrodias | yeah... so why not just support 1080p like they should? |
| 06:44.33 | Corrodias | price, i suppose |
| 06:44.34 | Arrowmaster | because the hardware couldnt at first |
| 06:44.35 | Tekkub | and I would think 1080i would take the same bandwidth as 540p... |
| 06:45.51 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 06:45.54 | kd3 | george carlin died. |
| 06:45.55 | kd3 | :( |
| 06:46.12 | Corrodias | i've heard that so many times tonight |
| 06:46.45 | Tekkub | aw, I liked it better whan all those stupid people I hated or didn't know were the ones dying |
| 06:47.01 | Tekkub | like that one guy |
| 06:47.43 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 06:47.46 | Corrodias | i remember |
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| 06:48.36 | MentalPower | Tekkub: 1.03MP/frame for 1080i vs 0.92MP/frame for 720p |
| 06:48.48 | Tekkub | you know the one too? I was so happy what that fucker bit it |
| 06:48.50 | MentalPower | roughly the same amount of pixels |
| 06:49.13 | Tekkub | pixels? |
| 06:49.24 | MentalPower | million pixels yeah |
| 06:49.33 | Tekkub | last I remember, there is no definition on the horizontal dimentions |
| 06:49.44 | Corrodias | shit, there had better be |
| 06:49.48 | Tekkub | just number of lines... |
| 06:49.51 | Corrodias | wouldn't make much sense to have ambiguity there |
| 06:50.12 | Tekkub | wouldn't? widescreen vs full |
| 06:50.15 | MentalPower | Tekkub: HDTV assumes a 16:9 aspect ratio |
| 06:50.28 | Corrodias | exactly |
| 06:50.30 | Corrodias | two possibilities |
| 06:50.37 | Corrodias | i do not recommend infinite ones |
| 06:50.38 | MentalPower | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i |
| 06:50.58 | Tekkub | it does now? glad if it does, but at the start it didn't cause they seemed to think people would still want 4:3 even at HD |
| 06:51.22 | Corrodias | well, isn't progressive scan 480 or something a reality? |
| 06:51.48 | Corrodias | the gamecube can transmit progressive scan in 4:3 |
| 06:52.14 | Tekkub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480p |
| 06:52.50 | Corrodias | it does say "usually" for the two aspect ratios |
| 06:52.59 | Corrodias | i just hope everybody conforms to those two |
| 06:52.59 | Tekkub | 16x9 there wasn't even square pixels |
| 06:53.06 | MentalPower | fullscreen is still broadcast in widescreen, just that there are black bars on both sides |
| 06:53.14 | Corrodias | i don't even know what square means there |
| 06:53.21 | Tekkub | it says "usually" because the width wasn't expressly defined |
| 06:53.29 | Tekkub | and there's that whole anamorphic mess |
| 06:53.34 | Corrodias | how can pixels not be square? |
| 06:53.53 | Tekkub | because it's a 16:9 image compressed into a 4:3 frame |
| 06:53.59 | Tekkub | then stretched back out to display |
| 06:54.25 | Tekkub | that's what DVDs do |
| 06:54.34 | Corrodias | which means it's basically in reduced horizontal resolution |
| 06:54.39 | Corrodias | good move, blowjobs. |
| 06:54.40 | Tekkub | yea |
| 06:54.58 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 06:55.01 | Tekkub | the whole history of TV is basically about screwing you into thinking there's more there |
| 06:55.40 | Corrodias | Arrowmaster: what, is it stretched, instead? |
| 06:55.47 | Tekkub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_widescreen |
| 06:55.56 | Tekkub | "Anamorphic widescreen is a video technique that utilizes rectangular (wide) pixels to store a widescreen picture into standard 4:3 aspect ratio." |
| 06:56.23 | Corrodias | instead of 1920x1080 they record in 1920x1440? |
| 06:56.30 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:56.41 | Corrodias | then i don't know what you're trying to say |
| 06:56.50 | Arrowmaster | and its 1440x1080 |
| 06:56.52 | Tekkub | DVD's don't do 1080 |
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| 06:57.16 | Corrodias | see, uh, that's what i meant by "reduced horizontal resolution" |
| 06:57.23 | Corrodias | it's not 1920. |
| 06:57.41 | Tekkub | DVD's are 480 or 576 (NTSC or PAL) |
| 06:58.21 | Arrowmaster | 1440x1080 isnt common in western countries |
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| 06:59.33 | Corrodias | well, i think we've gotten off track |
| 06:59.39 | Corrodias | back to MY problems |
| 06:59.51 | Tekkub | yea all the TV resolutions are confusing shit |
| 06:59.52 | Corrodias | let's hope my monitor's controls are convenient. |
| 07:00.11 | Tekkub | sepecially when you throw in movie framerates |
| 07:00.26 | Tekkub | and theatrical widescreen |
| 07:01.22 | Corrodias | i just want my games on a monitor. :( something with decent visual quality and a reasonable price tag. |
| 07:01.45 | Tekkub | so go buy a good monitor and stop talking about TVS |
| 07:02.06 | Tekkub | Samsung SyncMaster 216BW FTFW! |
| 07:02.39 | Corrodias | i bought a dell 2408wfp or fpw or whatever |
| 07:02.54 | Tekkub | you FOOL |
| 07:03.06 | Tekkub | or whatevers are shit |
| 07:03.30 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 07:03.31 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking about getting a dell 2408 but then i noticed it was a VA panel |
| 07:03.35 | Corrodias | won't arrive for a few days, sadly |
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| 07:03.45 | Corrodias | VA? veterans' association? |
| 07:03.55 | Tekkub | Very Ass |
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| 07:04.29 | digmouse | Tekkub: shouldnt that be 226BW? |
| 07:04.36 | Tekkub | nope |
| 07:04.38 | Tekkub | 216 |
| 07:04.45 | digmouse | O.o? |
| 07:04.50 | Tekkub | 21.6" |
| 07:05.04 | digmouse | oh, didnt notice that |
| 07:05.16 | Tekkub | or if you use an interlaced ruler, 43.2i" |
| 07:05.27 | Arrowmaster | VA is Vertical Alignment |
| 07:05.45 | kd3 | rofl |
| 07:05.58 | Arrowmaster | the 2408 is a Super Patterned Vertical Alignment panel if i remember correctly |
| 07:06.08 | Corrodias | i have no idea what that means |
| 07:06.16 | Arrowmaster | so the gamma changes as you look at it from different angles |
| 07:06.27 | Arrowmaster | not as badly as TN panels though |
| 07:06.33 | Tekkub | viewing angle FTL! |
| 07:06.40 | Corrodias | ah |
| 07:06.50 | Corrodias | should be a decent angle, but in any case fortunatly i'll be sitting in the same spot |
| 07:06.51 | Arrowmaster | TN panels are the ones you see for really cheap with super fast response times like 2ms |
| 07:06.55 | Corrodias | unately. |
| 07:07.17 | Arrowmaster | ive got a dell 2001FP which is a S-IPS panel |
| 07:09.05 | Arrowmaster | and ive heard the 2408WFP has a lot of color issues unless you calabrate |
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| 07:10.39 | Corrodias | from the things i've read, it's almost like people receive them with different settings |
| 07:10.54 | Corrodias | or maybe some people are less bothered by strange settings |
| 07:11.04 | Arrowmaster | the sRGB preset is also totally fucked on it |
| 07:11.09 | Corrodias | but yes, i'll definitely want to check that |
| 07:11.15 | Corrodias | what's that? |
| 07:11.22 | Arrowmaster | color setting |
| 07:11.41 | Nechckn | not any where as cool as Opie... but still fun http://moongazeaddons.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=lunarsphere |
| 07:11.59 | Arrowmaster | that its forced to when viewing movies and such over hdmi |
| 07:12.03 | Tekkub | OPie has potential |
| 07:12.12 | Tekkub | just needs a better name and better config |
| 07:12.24 | Corrodias | i'll make a note to check that |
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| 07:17.51 | Arrowmaster | wow i cant even find half way decent info on the SyncMaster 216BW |
| 07:22.59 | Arrowmaster | reading that its a 6bit TN panel, not impressed |
| 07:23.13 | Corrodias | anyway, reviews are universally positive for the monitor i chose, so i should be satisfied after a little adjustment |
| 07:23.47 | Arrowmaster | the 2408WFP? |
| 07:23.50 | Corrodias | yes |
| 07:23.54 | Arrowmaster | they arent universally positive |
| 07:24.01 | Corrodias | all the ones i could find were |
| 07:24.10 | Arrowmaster | its got the worst imput lag of any current 24" lcd |
| 07:24.28 | Corrodias | well, none mention that, so i'm not sure where you have that information from |
| 07:24.31 | Arrowmaster | and you should have waited until the new rev was out mid july |
| 07:24.44 | Arrowmaster | hardforums |
| 07:27.17 | Tekkub | wewt new Futurama! |
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| 07:28.33 | Arrowmaster | when i was recently looking for a new lcd i was thinking about a 2408WFP but i found a lot of sources complaining about the 60ms+ input lag, and all the color issues |
| 07:28.52 | Corrodias | grr, why didn't i see any? |
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| 07:29.00 | Corrodias | well, i didn't look through forums |
| 07:29.02 | Arrowmaster | because you didnt look hard enough? |
| 07:29.15 | Arrowmaster | where did you look? |
| 07:30.09 | Corrodias | basically, any "review" i could find with google |
| 07:31.10 | Corrodias | but not all for the same model, actually; some were for the ultrasharp, some were for earlier ones, but none seemed to have any problems except some color adjustment they did in a couple |
| 07:31.21 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
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| 07:31.29 | Arrowmaster | theres only one 2408WFP |
| 07:31.30 | Corrodias | some were for the 2407 is what i'm saying |
| 07:31.34 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 07:31.45 | Arrowmaster | the 2407WFP is a completely different monitor |
| 07:32.10 | Arrowmaster | http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_2408wfp.htm |
| 07:32.15 | Arrowmaster | near the bottem |
| 07:33.02 | Corrodias | ah |
| 07:33.53 | Arrowmaster | ive also seen lots of reports of text having red and green tints but thats just retards that actually use that clearfont crap |
| 07:34.13 | MentalPower | cleartype is awesome |
| 07:34.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah cleartype |
| 07:34.23 | Arrowmaster | i hate it |
| 07:34.24 | MentalPower | I've had no issues with it |
| 07:34.26 | MentalPower | y? |
| 07:34.38 | Arrowmaster | because it makes fonts blury |
| 07:34.51 | MentalPower | you running at native resolution? |
| 07:34.55 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:34.58 | MentalPower | also, you running safari? |
| 07:35.00 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:35.07 | MentalPower | xp or vista? |
| 07:35.12 | Arrowmaster | and no im not using fonts designed for cleartype |
| 07:35.13 | Tekkub | hehe... what a great lyric... o/~ how many have died in your dirty hole o/~ |
| 07:35.13 | Arrowmaster | xp |
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| 07:35.25 | Arrowmaster | and yes ive even used the advanced cleartype config tool |
| 07:35.29 | Arrowmaster | i still hate it |
| 07:35.58 | Tekkub | I never quite understood cleartype |
| 07:36.09 | MentalPower | I must say the cleartype fonts look nice in vista |
| 07:36.26 | Tekkub | it was like "OMG the panel makes fonts so sharp it hurts my brain, lets add some fuzz and variation of color!" |
| 07:36.32 | MentalPower | Tekkub: http://www.grc.com/ctwhat.htm |
| 07:36.59 | Arrowmaster | i understand it, i just dont understand the desire for it |
| 07:37.20 | MentalPower | higher horizontal resolution |
| 07:37.53 | Arrowmaster | at the cost of color variation |
| 07:38.17 | Tekkub | maybe I have gotten used to it... scaled fonts in wow look like ass |
| 07:38.31 | Arrowmaster | thats just wow |
| 07:38.56 | Tekkub | or that :P |
| 07:38.57 | Arrowmaster | its fonts always look like ass at higher sizes |
| 07:38.59 | Corrodias | sigh, why does this all have to be such a pain |
| 07:39.29 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: because manufacturers suck and nobodys making a good 24" lcd right not except NEC |
| 07:39.33 | Corrodias | do you have a recommendation for monitor? |
| 07:39.36 | Tekkub | Corrodias, because you're overthinking it |
| 07:39.51 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: did you order directly from dell? |
| 07:40.09 | Tekkub | look for really bad reviews (and not just idiots bitching)... if you don't find anything really bad, be happy with your purchase |
| 07:40.22 | Corrodias | well, yes, but i don't know how that would affect the answer |
| 07:40.39 | Arrowmaster | just use it, ask for a replacement in a month when the new revision comes out |
| 07:40.44 | Arrowmaster | and if you dont like it return it |
| 07:40.53 | Arrowmaster | dell is good with replacements and returns |
| 07:41.29 | Corrodias | well, at least that lives up to the impression i got from seeing people talk about dell. |
| 07:42.01 | Arrowmaster | hey im still happy with my free dell 2001FP from like 03 or 04 |
| 07:42.42 | Arrowmaster | except i would be a lot happier if it supported hdcp over dvi |
| 07:43.49 | Arrowmaster | and ive been spoiled by this monitor that i cant get a TN or VA panel lcd as a replacement, IPS panels are just soo much better |
| 07:52.20 | Arrowmaster | messing with cleartype again, and wow whatever it does with bold fonts is just fucking wrong |
| 08:03.01 | Corrodias | what's cleartype for, again? |
| 08:03.08 | Corrodias | i know i've read about it a few times but it never sinks in |
| 08:03.39 | Tekkub | better looking fonts on LCDs |
| 08:03.40 | Corrodias | well, no wonder. checking wikipedia, i don't understand what it's saying |
| 08:04.37 | Corrodias | ew, antialiasing for text? |
| 08:04.52 | Tekkub | no |
| 08:07.06 | Corrodias | that's what it looks like to me, except using "subpixels" which seems awfully hardware-dependent |
| 08:07.44 | Tekkub | it's not, and it's not :P |
| 08:08.11 | Corrodias | wikipedia says it is (the first one), so either it's completely wrong or you're thinking of something else |
| 08:08.15 | Corrodias | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClearType |
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| 08:13.01 | Corrodias | oh hey, looks like that A01 firmware update for the 2408 is expected to reduce input lag, to some extent, according to a post by Dell. now i just need to find someone who has a color calibration device to borrow for a while. >_> |
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| 08:14.38 | Corrodias | that could be a challenge |
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| 08:17.22 | Corrodias | damn google's new icon |
| 08:17.24 | Hapnintwo | hi |
| 08:18.28 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, the dark G? |
| 08:19.02 | Corrodias | of course, one single calibration isn't always perfect. i keep my monitor at 80% contrast (CRT, so that's actually brightness) most of the time but go to 100% for games, where i want the colors stronger |
| 08:19.13 | Corrodias | yeah, the thing that looks like a deflating blue 8 |
| 08:19.25 | Thunder_Child | you get used to it |
| 08:19.36 | Corrodias | i just don't see it when i'm looking for a firefox tab that has google in it |
| 08:19.58 | Thunder_Child | you get ues to looking for the thing |
| 08:20.01 | Thunder_Child | used* |
| 08:20.05 | Thunder_Child | just takes time |
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| 08:49.28 | Thunder_Child | so it seems that artists with similar music to hans zimmer is pink/aguilera/madonna uhhhhh.....no |
| 08:49.35 | Thunder_Child | are* |
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| 09:31.09 | cncfanatics | EXAMS ARE OVER :D |
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| 09:31.53 | wereHamster | congrats |
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| 09:47.28 | cncfanatics | lol sancus |
| 09:47.34 | cncfanatics | ~fail sancus |
| 09:47.38 | purl | sancus, you Fail! |
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| 11:17.55 | [sync] | whats an addon i can use to announce in raids who is missing buffs? |
| 11:17.55 | Cairenn | wheee, net split |
| 11:17.55 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 11:17.56 | [sync] | whats an addon i can use to announce in raids who is missing buffs? |
| 11:17.56 | [sync] | zz |
| 11:17.56 | [sync] | wtf>? |
| 11:17.56 | zenzio | try waiting more than two minutes before asking again |
| 11:17.56 | [sync] | .... |
| 11:18.47 | [sync] | can someone help me? |
| 11:18.48 | Roblibob | sync do you use grid? |
| 11:18.48 | Roblibob | oh nm |
| 11:18.48 | Roblibob | didn't read carefully enough :) |
| 11:18.48 | Roblibob | big brother can check for consumables and announce to raid |
| 11:18.48 | [sync] | ?? |
| 11:18.49 | [sync] | ok |
| 11:18.49 | [sync] | thanks |
| 11:18.49 | [sync] | i use perfect raid |
| 11:18.49 | [sync] | and xperl tells me |
| 11:18.49 | [sync] | but cant announce |
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| 11:19.58 | dylanm | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5873-RABuffs.html perhaps. |
| 11:21.34 | [sync] | thanks |
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| 11:22.29 | [sync] | is there anymore? |
| 11:22.29 | [sync] | RABuffs seem more of a buff the raid sorta addon |
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| 12:52.33 | zenzio | woot, peppy! |
| 12:53.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. I have internets at work, but not at home yet! I've been sooooooo quiet all weekend! |
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| 12:55.23 | cncfanatics | ~failrik |
| 12:55.23 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 12:55.32 | cncfanatics | (I blame Shirik for Lopeppeppy having no internetz) |
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| 12:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | No, I think Shirik would share his internets if we lived close enough. |
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| 13:11.58 | Anaral | In poeples opinions, which is better StatBlocks or SLDataText? |
| 13:14.05 | Dark_Elf | statblocks |
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| 13:15.56 | Anaral | WarcraftRealms.com is weird. I can update my mailing info, but I can't recieve my password because my forum account is inactive. |
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| 13:45.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... very sadness. *sigh* |
| 13:46.09 | Lopeppeppy | "Tell the Captain that Air Marshal Carlin says to go fuck himself!" < -- best line ever |
| 13:46.58 | malreth | I once told a friend of mine that the definition of being an adult was, "Watching your heroes grow older and pass on." |
| 13:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Bittersweet but true. |
| 13:48.05 | Anaral | And these type of deaths come in threes. Last week was the NBC political journalist, now GC, so who will be #3? |
| 13:50.08 | dylanm | Kil'jaeden. |
| 13:50.33 | Lopeppeppy | I wish |
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| 13:58.03 | Nechckn | OH my... did not see that about George Carlin |
| 13:58.29 | Nechckn | must come out from under damn rock... must come out from under damn rock... |
| 13:58.47 | Nechckn | Third will be- Amy Winehouse! |
| 13:59.04 | Nechckn | meh... unlikely though |
| 13:59.08 | Dark_Elf | he had some funny stuff |
| 13:59.24 | Nechckn | damn.. I didn't see where Lopeppeppy said that re AW |
| 13:59.57 | Nechckn | oh yeah... he actually made the dirty jokes into art |
| 14:00.07 | Nechckn | if that makes sense to anyone but me... |
| 14:00.57 | krka | i am betting on swayze! |
| 14:01.32 | Nechckn | eeeshhh.. or Jan Michael Vincent |
| 14:01.37 | Anaral | Why in the world is there a Hello Kitty ButtonFacade skin??? |
| 14:01.51 | Nechckn | that dude makes 90% of anyone look young and spry |
| 14:02.23 | Nechckn | Come now, you don't like Hello Kitty? |
| 14:03.33 | Anaral | No, and definitely not for wow. |
| 14:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | I love that he took the time to program a hello kitty skin. :) |
| 14:05.32 | Anaral | Heh |
| 14:05.48 | Nechckn | there is a Hello Kitty there for CyCircled |
| 14:06.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. It was... er... damn, the name just flew out of my head of who makes those fun ones. He has a pirates one too. I like that one. |
| 14:06.14 | Nechckn | so yo get the lowerly hello kitty bow on the upper right of each of your, then, round buttons |
| 14:06.44 | Nechckn | yeah.. I like the chococat one myself =) ehehehehe |
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| 14:07.36 | Nechckn | The bongos3 color highlighting was working, at least not well, so I actually turned off Cy Circled |
| 14:07.47 | Nechckn | I used to love litestep |
| 14:08.51 | nevcairiel | art3mis does all the hk stuff .. wonder where he disappeared to |
| 14:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | ART3MIS, that's who it was! *happy dance* |
| 14:09.12 | Anaral | ButtonFacade doesn't skin bags? |
| 14:09.24 | malreth | bags... aren't... buttons... |
| 14:09.40 | nevcairiel | maybe he means the bag buttons? |
| 14:09.59 | Anaral | Aye |
| 14:10.09 | Anaral | And I'm a she. ;) |
| 14:10.09 | nevcairiel | but what BF skins, is totally dependant on the addon using it |
| 14:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's still new, maybe they missed those buttons. |
| 14:10.15 | nevcairiel | by default, it doesn skin anything |
| 14:10.28 | nevcairiel | it needs a actionbar addon to tell it what to skin |
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| 14:10.31 | nevcairiel | its not like cyC |
| 14:10.48 | malreth | how do you get BF to skin more than just the first bongos3 bar? |
| 14:10.59 | malreth | or... |
| 14:11.03 | Anaral | So I should yell at Tuller to make Dominoes support bag skinning? |
| 14:11.10 | nevcairiel | Anaral: aye |
| 14:11.22 | malreth | how do you get bongos3 to have BF skin more than just the first bar? |
| 14:12.15 | Nechckn | does that button facade still allow the new highlighting to show/work? |
| 14:12.32 | Nechckn | I really, really like that now that I've found it |
| 14:12.56 | nevcairiel | the buff/debuff highlighting? |
| 14:13.01 | Nechckn | yeah |
| 14:13.48 | Nechckn | I mean, I use EBB on some and CTBuff on a few others but I really dig that highlighting since I've seen it |
| 14:14.12 | cncfanatics | omg |
| 14:14.21 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: you copied highlighting ! |
| 14:14.27 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 14:14.29 | nevcairiel | i didnt |
| 14:14.35 | nevcairiel | bongos supports that |
| 14:14.37 | nevcairiel | not bartender |
| 14:14.47 | nevcairiel | so blame tuller |
| 14:14.52 | nevcairiel | unless you stole it from him |
| 14:15.04 | Nechckn | Ha! |
| 14:15.12 | Nechckn | such a slippery slope |
| 14:15.15 | cncfanatics | eh |
| 14:15.17 | cncfanatics | tuller stole that from me |
| 14:15.19 | cncfanatics | not the reverse |
| 14:15.20 | cncfanatics | damn you |
| 14:15.26 | malreth | fucking tuller |
| 14:16.04 | nevcairiel | we shouldve had this discussions a few hours later, so that the chance that he joins directly after that comment is higher |
| 14:16.06 | Anaral | I just am starting to mess with Dominos, started with Bartender 3... (does B3 support BF?) |
| 14:16.19 | Anaral | lol |
| 14:16.23 | nevcairiel | Anaral: BT3 doesnt, but 4 does :) |
| 14:16.32 | Anaral | Bah |
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| 14:17.14 | Anaral | Will my button bags be round with B4? |
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| 14:18.03 | nevcairiel | good question |
| 14:18.04 | nevcairiel | let me check |
| 14:18.34 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 14:18.37 | nevcairiel | i added that |
| 14:18.38 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:18.44 | Anaral | Yay |
| 14:20.54 | Nechckn | Oh... suggestion(s) for main Rogue mod- i.e. pickpocket, and then other Roguey-stuff |
| 14:22.34 | Anaral | Um... B4 overlaps the bag buttons over the mini-bar with profile, talents, menu, etc. |
| 14:22.52 | Nechckn | hrm.. lemme try that again. Does anyone have any suggestions for Rogue mods? such as making pickpocketing easy, box opening easier, etc... |
| 14:23.15 | Nechckn | woow... almost some English is that couple o' sentences! |
| 14:23.49 | Nechckn | that first blurb was all kinds of whackiness |
| 14:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | I don't use anything rogue-specific, Nechckn.... Autobar takes care of poisons and sharpening stones, and honestly, lockpicking isn't that scary. Stuff for pickpocketing can run into server/lag/network failures... I just play my rogue the old fashioned way. :( |
| 14:24.41 | Anaral | What is the / command to open bartender 4's options? |
| 14:24.54 | nevcairiel | Anaral: /bt |
| 14:25.02 | Anaral | and /bar apparently. :) |
| 14:25.34 | nevcairiel | Anaral: oh yeah and the default positioning for those bars is kinda the same right now, but i assume one wants to move them anyway ... i should really change that :D |
| 14:27.29 | Anaral | There's also a set of buttons that are just hanging out, not highlighted to be moved... |
| 14:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | Anaral, sometimes that set needs to be activated before it can be moved. It's ghosty. |
| 14:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | It's showing, but not really.... play with activating bars until you figure out which one it is. |
| 14:30.58 | nevcairiel | Could also be the evil blizzard bars |
| 14:30.59 | Anaral | Aye |
| 14:31.04 | nevcairiel | because dominoes uses those |
| 14:31.24 | Anaral | I deleted dominoes before installing b4 |
| 14:31.41 | nevcairiel | yeah, but it might still leave them enabled |
| 14:31.50 | nevcairiel | check the interface options in the actionbar section :) |
| 14:32.32 | Anaral | This bar is where the cluster of all the other overlapping bars were. |
| 14:34.01 | Anaral | I thought bartender 4 showed keybinding/hotkey and macro text? |
| 14:34.12 | Anaral | I only see it on bar 1 |
| 14:34.31 | nevcairiel | Well then you dont have keybindings on the other bars? :) |
| 14:34.43 | Anaral | Ah, but I do. ;) |
| 14:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | Do you have to enable it bar by bar? |
| 14:35.37 | Anaral | From the options, if I check the boxes then the text would hide. |
| 14:36.01 | nevcairiel | Bartender4 cannot and will not be able to "steal" keybindings on your bars, except for Bar1 |
| 14:36.43 | nevcairiel | you can quickly rebind your spells using /kb though |
| 14:37.07 | Anaral | So there's no way for it to show that bottom right action bar button 6 is keybound to P? |
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| 14:37.36 | nevcairiel | No because it doesnt know about those keybinds |
| 14:37.45 | nevcairiel | you need to bind it specifically to the bartender buttons |
| 14:38.23 | Anaral | So can I bind bartender bar 6, button 6, to 'P'? |
| 14:38.28 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 14:38.31 | nevcairiel | type /kb |
| 14:38.35 | nevcairiel | which opens the keybinder |
| 14:38.39 | nevcairiel | hover button, press P |
| 14:38.40 | nevcairiel | voila |
| 14:38.56 | nevcairiel | also, click save on the binder afterwards ;) |
| 14:39.09 | Anaral | Okay, I'm sold. :) |
| 14:40.37 | Anaral | Now totally unrelated to bars, is there an addon that will allow me to clearly see both the stack size and the time left on a debuff on the unit frame button? |
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| 14:45.24 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy thank you for the input... I'm not a big melee type, so any such thought out comments really help /ty |
| 14:52.57 | Shirik | :( 10 points to go before I can use thick leather |
| 14:53.01 | Shirik | and nothing left on the AH |
| 14:53.17 | Shirik | what's a good place (preferably accessible from TB) to get heavy leather? |
| 14:55.25 | Lopeppeppy | Nechckn, I detect sarcasm. :P |
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| 14:57.34 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: No, Nechckn's not bright enough to use sarcasm :) |
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| 15:11.34 | wereHamster | what does liberia, burma and the US have in common? |
| 15:14.00 | zenzelezz | they don't have SI as the standard measurement system |
| 15:14.27 | wereHamster | did you know that just like that? |
| 15:14.48 | zenzelezz | by coincidence I read it a few weeks ago, and I found it funny enough that it stuck in my head =) |
| 15:15.01 | ckknight | wereHamster: also, they're all rather brutal countries |
| 15:15.03 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 15:15.50 | Shirik | and have stupid leadership? |
| 15:15.56 | Shirik | actually I don't know about liberia's and burma's |
| 15:15.58 | Shirik | but the US... |
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| 15:16.13 | malreth | come on... you can do it! |
| 15:16.19 | ckknight | yea, both liberia and burma have pretty bad governments |
| 15:16.22 | zenzelezz | you don't know about Burma? Don't you watch the news? |
| 15:16.27 | Shirik | no |
| 15:16.31 | ckknight | afaik |
| 15:16.31 | Shirik | I sit behind a computer all day |
| 15:16.43 | zenzelezz | they disallowed UN/foreign help after their country was flooded by a hurricane |
| 15:16.53 | zenzelezz | military dictatorship |
| 15:19.12 | Seerah | news is on the computer, too - that's how I get edumacated ;) |
| 15:19.35 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:19.56 | zenzelezz | I must admit, half the time I wish I didn't follow the news... so much crap that people do |
| 15:20.25 | malreth | i don't follow the news because it's all overhyped up bullshit |
| 15:20.26 | Seerah | yeah, but if people didn't take notice and care, then we'd probably have more crap |
| 15:20.58 | zenzelezz | Seerah: depends on the kind of crap |
| 15:21.16 | Seerah | there's more than one kind? |
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| 15:22.08 | zenzelezz | misfortune at the hands of man, misfortune at the hands of nature |
| 15:22.32 | Seerah | George Carlin died :( |
| 15:22.46 | Seerah | (just saw that news on the interwebz) |
| 15:22.50 | ckknight | yep. |
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| 15:23.00 | ckknight | he's up in heaven looking at us now |
| 15:23.03 | ckknight | wait, no, no he's not. |
| 15:23.05 | ckknight | nevermind that. |
| 15:23.41 | dylanm | lolrails |
| 15:23.46 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: i like twitter's new whale picture |
| 15:23.58 | malreth | those poor little birds look like they're working so hard |
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| 15:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | I find myself thinking of that scene where Arthur Dent calls a whale into existence, and it plummets to its hideous death. I like that. Lots. |
| 15:31.04 | Seerah | poor whale :P |
| 15:32.07 | Lopeppeppy | I would love to do that for Twitter. Yup. |
| 15:33.16 | Anaral | How do I reset bar4s keybindings? |
| 15:33.44 | Anaral | nm |
| 15:33.50 | Anaral | I'll learn to read one day. |
| 15:34.29 | zenzelezz | hehe |
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| 15:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | That's not my name there, dear. Let me whisper in your ear. |
| 16:13.05 | malreth | new emotes in wotlk... interesting |
| 16:13.16 | Anaral | Aye |
| 16:15.11 | Anaral | WOTLK seems to have many little and not so little changes that probably aren't on anyone's most wanted features, but will make the game a little more fun and flavorful. |
| 16:16.13 | ag` | full pvp loot, now that would be fun |
| 16:17.05 | Mikk | horrible :S |
| 16:17.36 | Anaral | lol |
| 16:18.13 | Anaral | I wish a pve server actually meant no pvp, at all! |
| 16:19.10 | ag` | I wish that a pvp server actually meant pvp |
| 16:20.03 | ag` | instead of arena masters being the equivalent of a counter strike server browser |
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| 16:20.08 | Anaral | lol |
| 16:20.31 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 16:29.56 | Milenko | sup people |
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| 16:31.27 | Milenko | anyone not too busy to discus some ideas i have for an addon? |
| 16:32.04 | malreth | i can give you inane responses... or not |
| 16:32.15 | Milenko | cccclol |
| 16:32.18 | malreth | it's all i'm really good for |
| 16:32.19 | Kirov | I'm too busy to not discuss it! |
| 16:32.49 | Anaral | Go for it. |
| 16:33.00 | Kirov | In soviet Russia, Addons discuss you! |
| 16:33.07 | Milenko | ok well... first off i do NOT know lua my understanding of programing is limited to VB and PHP.. but i have this idea for this project (One sec will take me a min to explane it) |
| 16:33.30 | Milenko | My guild is picking up the Ni Karma system and as you may or may not know there isnt but One addon for this system |
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| 16:34.01 | Milenko | my vision is that an addon works with a data chanel to share the database in the guild through a data chanel like GroupCalendar |
| 16:34.14 | Milenko | with an ease of use Admin panel to set settings for the system... |
| 16:34.24 | Milenko | with automatic time tracking boss kills ect |
| 16:34.51 | Milenko | the basics of the system allready has an addon but i want to make an addon that is more "User Friendly" for others who might want to use this loot system. |
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| 16:35.19 | Lunessa | ~purl thank you |
| 16:35.19 | purl | de rien, Lunessa |
| 16:35.22 | Milenko | i been lookin for some people to help me with the cause to compinsate them for there time. |
| 16:35.45 | Milenko | all i ask is no matter what i pay the project manager or programer that the addon remain free for the comunity to use.. |
| 16:36.56 | Milenko | but im willing to throw a some paypal love some ones way to help out.. |
| 16:37.16 | Kirov | To be blunt, you may have a hard time finding people to do that. |
| 16:37.25 | Milenko | meh yea i know LOL |
| 16:37.28 | Kirov | Or the people you find will likely not be all that good. |
| 16:37.30 | Milenko | i been lookin for a couple weeks |
| 16:38.01 | ckknight | Milenko: hehe, I've always had an idea to make something like that |
| 16:38.06 | ckknight | but I have a grown-up people job now |
| 16:38.12 | ckknight | no time |
| 16:38.23 | Milenko | i have a grown up people job too.... but that dont stop me from having fun... |
| 16:38.40 | ckknight | it stops me from coding a whole bunch of cool shit :-P |
| 16:38.52 | Milenko | im sorry |
| 16:38.53 | Kirov | The amount of work that goes in to an addon, especially one as complex as what you're describing, is as much or more than a full time job. Most of us work on addons as a labor of love with out pay, or with a small amount of donations to make enough to continue, but never as a full time. |
| 16:39.02 | Lunessa | ckknight: Congrats on the grown up people job. :D Growin up people is a hard job. |
| 16:39.03 | Shirik | Lunessa, you know you don't need to put "purl" after ~ (or vice-versa), right? |
| 16:39.12 | ckknight | Lunessa: truth |
| 16:39.40 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yeah, I was being heavy handed. |
| 16:39.42 | Shirik | :P |
| 16:39.46 | Milenko | well hey its an idea and im trying lol |
| 16:39.54 | Milenko | just figgured i would throw it out there |
| 16:39.59 | ckknight | Kirov: yea, and it's nearly impossible to monetize |
| 16:40.05 | ckknight | Milenko: many people have had the same idea |
| 16:40.28 | Milenko | im just suprised that the loot system dosnt have more of an addon support for it... |
| 16:40.31 | dylanm | Yeah it gets thrown around here a lot. Was it Dashkal that was doing the one with all the hashes and stuff? |
| 16:40.49 | ckknight | dylanm: Dashkal is working on Nexus, a distributed filesystem |
| 16:41.17 | dylanm | The biggest problem I see is that you can't store anything on the server so you end up faking it with syncing that everyone is going to bitch about. |
| 16:41.18 | wereHamster | distributed filesystem for wow? |
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| 16:41.22 | Kirov | Milenko - the loot system's lack of proper events / information has been a pain for a long time. |
| 16:41.24 | Lunessa | Still wondering who's bright idea it was to program purl to say "... station." when I log in. |
| 16:41.42 | Kirov | There's still no real way of knowing what mob dropped what loot unless you're the one looting. |
| 16:42.00 | Milenko | Kirov? |
| 16:42.16 | Kirov | Addon's guess |
| 16:42.16 | Milenko | thats not important to this sytem though... |
| 16:42.28 | Kirov | True, just giving an example. |
| 16:42.30 | Milenko | the Raid Leader still needs to distrubute loot.. |
| 16:42.41 | Milenko | I see what your saying |
| 16:42.42 | Kirov | That's part of the problem though, he doesn't. |
| 16:42.57 | Kirov | Some guilds don't run that way, and that's where addons like this get complex. |
| 16:43.08 | Kirov | And also why that addon that you have doesn't do what you want. |
| 16:43.25 | Milenko | well the big thing is the shared data chanel |
| 16:43.34 | Milenko | the Ni Karma addon uses Local database only |
| 16:43.38 | Kirov | Actually, it's not. |
| 16:43.47 | Kirov | The big thing is the ui for an addon like this. |
| 16:43.50 | Milenko | wich makes it a pain for like my guild where we have more than one raid leader from week to week |
| 16:43.56 | Milenko | the XML? |
| 16:44.39 | Kirov | More the code behind it. Making something "user friendly" that is basically just data management is something spend decades on and fail at. |
| 16:44.46 | Lunessa | Valhueing's Ni Karam system was really just designed to make Val's life easier. I don't think he took programming it for braod use into consideration. |
| 16:45.12 | Lunessa | Kirov: Truth. Interfaces to data are much harder than data/ |
| 16:46.28 | Kirov | Milenko - the data sharing issue can get complex just due to the limited number of people who will actually be running the addon. |
| 16:46.54 | Milenko | well my whole guild 140+ people run GroupCalendar.. |
| 16:46.56 | Kirov | Guild Calender usually works because it's something that a guild often pushes the entire guild to use. |
| 16:47.01 | Milenko | and we keep that full |
| 16:47.17 | Kirov | It's a useful app for people to have. |
| 16:47.28 | Milenko | and this app would be treated the same in my guild |
| 16:47.49 | Kirov | That means you need to make it useful to the average person though. |
| 16:47.52 | Kirov | And build in security |
| 16:48.12 | Milenko | well guild members below X rank can not edit the data.. |
| 16:48.33 | Milenko | but i understand what you are saying |
| 16:48.58 | dylanm | That's going to get complicated then. |
| 16:49.01 | Milenko | well no less its a project and i think its a great project if i just knew what i was doing |
| 16:49.10 | Milenko | LOL |
| 16:49.32 | Kirov | Depending on the size of the guild it might be good to have some form of auditing on the data to see who did what (like the guild bank log). Not because people are dishonest, but because people are human and make mistakes. |
| 16:49.33 | Kirov | often |
| 16:49.49 | dylanm | To be sure, people are also really dishonest. |
| 16:49.56 | Hirsute | You may be at a point where you're going to have to cowboy up and learn lua.. because it will be quite the project. |
| 16:49.58 | Milenko | could. |
| 16:50.18 | Milenko | but i think that would be abit extream but you are correct might as well have a fall back log to see what has happend |
| 16:50.37 | Kirov | Milenko - yeah, depending on how familiar you are with VB / PHP, Lua probably won't be too hard to pick up. |
| 16:50.49 | Milenko | i think the xml is where my big problem is |
| 16:50.56 | Kirov | Don't use it if it bugs you. |
| 16:50.58 | foxlit | Running this through the game is a major headache in itself |
| 16:50.59 | Lunessa | ~wowprogramming |
| 16:51.00 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 16:51.00 | dylanm | You don't have to write XML if you don't want to. |
| 16:51.19 | foxlit | You're much better off with a single, external server running code under control of a single individual |
| 16:51.30 | Milenko | im not good with the visual forms with out some sort of WYSIWYG application to build my forms. |
| 16:51.31 | Lunessa | Milenko: Pick up a copy of the book. It's really good. I *heart* my copy, and I've been writing code since 1980. |
| 16:51.41 | dylanm | Everything you can do with XML you can pretty much do in Lua. Templates aren't as natural but you can fake them. |
| 16:51.51 | dylanm | But yeah, get a website what say |
| 16:51.54 | Kirov | XML is a big evil for some people. |
| 16:52.05 | foxlit | [writing UI code, no matter through which dialect, makes me want to vomit :(] |
| 16:52.06 | Kirov | Lunessa - I'm not sure if I should consider myself young or you old... |
| 16:52.20 | foxlit | Lua generally seems worse |
| 16:52.22 | dylanm | foxlit: Interface Builder! |
| 16:52.25 | Lunessa | Kirov: Me old. You kids get off my lawn. |
| 16:52.30 | Kirov | heh |
| 16:52.33 | dylanm | It's actually kind of pleasant. |
| 16:52.43 | Kirov | I like making UIs with Lua. |
| 16:52.52 | foxlit | dylanm: Microsoft FrontPage |
| 16:52.55 | Kirov | Others, *cough*lego*cough* prefer XML |
| 16:52.59 | Lunessa | foxlit: And yet you've written so many handy, clever tools. |
| 16:53.24 | foxlit | Ah, flattery <3 |
| 16:53.24 | Lunessa | ~lazy |
| 16:53.25 | purl | methinks lazy is "Hard work my pay of later, but LAZINESS pays off now! Working hard at hardly working!" |
| 16:54.12 | Milenko | well back to google and refrence sites i will be here to ask questions....... |
| 16:54.14 | foxlit | "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." |
| 16:54.15 | dylanm | foxlit: WYSIWYG for HTML uggghhh. |
| 16:54.18 | Milenko | and anoy the crap out of you |
| 16:54.20 | Hirsute | s/my/may |
| 16:55.35 | Kirov | Milenko - wowprogramming.com, wowwiki.com, wowinterface.com, wowace.com, curse.com |
| 16:55.39 | dylanm | Oh hey FrontPage doesn't exist anymore. |
| 16:55.53 | Milenko | i frequent them webpages often... |
| 16:56.01 | Milenko | brb damn work calls got to go setup a server bbl |
| 16:56.16 | foxlit | dylanm: more or less the same "uggghhh" at graphical UI design tools :) |
| 16:57.03 | dylanm | foxlit: I usually agree but I've come to like IB just because you don't find anyone that doesn't use it at least for the general layout. |
| 16:57.17 | dylanm | I like connecting things with the lines it's very satisfying. |
| 16:57.32 | foxlit | that sentence makes no sense |
| 16:57.40 | dylanm | LOOK |
| 16:57.41 | Lunessa | Frontpage got killed in favor of "SharePoint" |
| 16:57.48 | dylanm | I forced myself, is what I'm saying. |
| 16:57.50 | foxlit | "you don't find anyone that doesn't use it"? |
| 16:58.11 | foxlit | stripping negatives yields "you find that everyone uses it", but that's clearly not true |
| 16:58.35 | dylanm | I'm not nominating it for sentence of the year. You know what I mean :p |
| 16:59.28 | foxlit | The only part I get out of it is "I've come to like IB"; the rest of the explanation is unrecognizable |
| 16:59.36 | foxlit | s/unrecognizable/undecipherable/ |
| 17:00.10 | foxlit | Hm |
| 17:00.34 | foxlit | Wonder if there's a way to make http://www.spirit-dreams.net/ui/notepad/18/FAW inconspicuous. |
| 17:00.35 | Kirov | Milenko - PIL is also useful |
| 17:00.38 | Kirov | ~pil |
| 17:00.39 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 17:00.41 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: you killed him with happiness |
| 17:02.22 | Kirov | I actually came across a series of photos someone had taken entitled "women attacking men" |
| 17:02.25 | dylanm | foxlit: I'd aver that almost everyone uses it. I've written small apps without it. It's _possible_. But you see .nibs in most every GUI project's source. |
| 17:02.38 | Kirov | It was a bunch of photos of different women jumping at a guy to hug him. |
| 17:02.41 | dylanm | If that's what you're contesting. I'd be interested to see a big project done without IB. |
| 17:02.46 | Kirov | (different guys) |
| 17:02.59 | foxlit | wait, what does apple's IB have to do with wow addons? :) |
| 17:03.46 | Kirov | foxlit - btw, that chunk of code could be obsfucated using lzwlib |
| 17:03.51 | dylanm | We're talking about ways to design GUIs, I guess. And it always brings to mind how much I like the Apple tools. |
| 17:04.12 | ckknight | anyone have thoughts on http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/302-bounty-program/ ? |
| 17:04.14 | Kirov | compress it in to a string and save it someplace randomly in the code. |
| 17:04.33 | dylanm | By the way, I pointed some fellow at your raid buff addon earlier and he complained that it didn't do announcements. |
| 17:04.43 | dylanm | Pretty sure he's off his rocker but I haven't looked at it in some time. |
| 17:05.37 | foxlit | Meh, it's able to |
| 17:05.45 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, |Jelly|-mon! |
| 17:06.14 | dylanm | I like people that talk a lot before trying stuff. |
| 17:06.15 | foxlit | Not something that seems to be betting a lot of cuse, and the CLI query syntax is a black box to most people running that thing, I think. |
| 17:06.32 | foxlit | getting a lot of use |
| 17:13.16 | Lunessa | Heh... the guy who got all snippy with my on Friday hasn't revieved further help. LAWL |
| 17:13.32 | Lunessa | And imagine I spelled received correctly. |
| 17:14.09 | Hirsute | Was this the guy who wanted the sentient hunter macro? |
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| 17:15.50 | Milenko | Sentient hunter macro..? |
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| 17:20.56 | Hirsute | Milenko: There was a guy on the forums last week who wanted a macro for his hunter that could basically think for itself, Lunessa provided some good suggestions on who to write a macro for part of it, given he already had a macro for another part, and he got kind of snippy at her telling him it wasn't really possible within the constraints of the macro system to do exactly what he wanted. ... |
| 17:20.58 | Hirsute | ...I'm not sure this is the guy she's referring to, but I think it might be. |
| 17:21.12 | Hirsute | s/on who/on how |
| 17:21.32 | Duman | man wtf |
| 17:21.44 | Duman | I was jsut getting used to bongos3 and tuller stops working on it :( |
| 17:21.45 | Duman | hah |
| 17:22.15 | Milenko | wow |
| 17:23.52 | Duman | hmm, dominos |
| 17:23.57 | Duman | "I have significantly less time to code now than I did previously. Dominos is intended to be easier to maintain." |
| 17:23.59 | Duman | ok, fair enough. |
| 17:24.41 | Lunessa | Hirsute: No, some guy who didn't appreciate my jokes. |
| 17:24.53 | Hirsute | Ah, okay |
| 17:25.13 | Lunessa | Hirsute: And, despite the toon, I'm very male. |
| 17:25.41 | Hirsute | Lunessa: My apologies.... I'll make sure I use the male pronouns in the future. |
| 17:25.51 | Lunessa | No worries. |
| 17:26.02 | Hirsute | Darned inability to tell gender from text on my screen.. I'll have to work on that skill. |
| 17:26.10 | Hirsute | :) |
| 17:27.55 | Duman | haha |
| 17:28.32 | cncfanatics | Lunessa: I got a spot in that guild :) |
| 17:29.11 | Lunessa | SWEET. Glad I could help with the App. |
| 17:29.38 | cncfanatics | Lunessa: I'm a resto drood though :D |
| 17:29.55 | cncfanatics | still thanks a damn lot :) |
| 17:30.48 | Anaral | If it wouldn't take more time then it's worth I'd edit http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dftpzw8z_0djpsb752 this person's file to be able to be checked off online. |
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| 17:33.35 | malreth | "Cooking fudge is like having sex: five minutes of frenzied activity, followed by an hour of awkward silence." |
| 17:41.16 | Lunessa | malreth: Not really - you just want to have more sex. |
| 17:41.22 | malreth | :( |
| 17:41.33 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 17:41.39 | Tekkub | I thought the phrase was "packing fudge" .... |
| 17:42.58 | Tekkub | are you threatening me? |
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| 17:43.35 | Lunessa | cladhaire: You're the ModifiedClick guru - can you help this person? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7372109178&sid=1 |
| 17:44.04 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: wanna help me cook some fudge? |
| 17:45.05 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I think he's coming on to you. |
| 17:45.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 17:45.13 | malreth | good! |
| 17:45.35 | Tekkub | on me? oh, okey |
| 17:45.58 | malreth | go ahead and grease that up |
| 17:47.23 | malreth | all done, Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:50.01 | Lopeppeppy | Um, not watching tv, it just takes girls longer than boys, malreth. You should know that! :P |
| 17:50.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wait. The PAN! Right. |
| 17:50.23 | malreth | :O |
| 17:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | (AFK for sheeple now though, sorry!) |
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| 18:51.27 | malreth | good news: wendy's gave me large fries instead of a small. bad news: they forgot the dippin' sauce for my chicken nuggets. |
| 18:51.42 | kd3 | :( |
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| 18:53.43 | haste | I hope the wendy's you went to tastes beter than the one I was at in tokyo |
| 18:53.54 | haste | it was like mcdonalds, but worse >:( |
| 18:54.04 | malreth | i want cucumber flavored salt for my fries |
| 18:54.07 | haste | I didn't even think that was possible |
| 18:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | McD's is terrible |
| 18:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Wendys is absolutely incredible |
| 18:54.28 | haste | they both suck pretty horribly in my world |
| 18:54.34 | Thunder_Child | ya, incredibly bad |
| 18:54.44 | malreth | which is why i get the nuggets |
| 18:54.50 | malreth | it's hard to make those taste bad |
| 18:55.53 | haste | I would say it's hard to make food taste so bad :p |
| 18:57.13 | malreth | my favorite junk food from japan are the cucumber flavored pringles |
| 18:58.08 | malreth | i would kill an irc acquaintance to have those again |
| 18:58.40 | erikd | good thing i don't know you, i'm safe |
| 18:58.54 | erikd | :) |
| 19:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, those sound good, malreth |
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| 19:03.40 | malreth | they really are |
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| 19:06.35 | malreth | oh... and at project a-kon this year, a vendor was selling wasabi flavored doritos |
| 19:06.37 | malreth | GENIUS! |
| 19:06.50 | malreth | they were whorably good |
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| 19:07.49 | kd3 | wtf... wasabi-flavored doritos? |
| 19:07.51 | ckknight | whorably? |
| 19:08.05 | Thunder_Child | wasabi ftl |
| 19:09.44 | malreth | purl, whorably is <reply>adv. In a manner to cause whoring behavior. |
| 19:09.46 | purl | okay, malreth |
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| 19:19.08 | Thunder_Child | lol, nothing like a job that lists it's locations as "(Seoul, Korea or Los Angles Area)" |
| 19:20.57 | Milenko | was there a "OnLine" book that some one sugested for WOW LUA? |
| 19:20.57 | krka | Milenko: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
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| 19:22.37 | ckknight | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:22.38 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:22.55 | Zurik | yeah I bought that book it's pretty awesome. |
| 19:22.56 | malreth | what does "OnLine" mean |
| 19:23.14 | Zurik | there is no Online version of that book i don't think. |
| 19:23.19 | Cide | it means it's somewhere along this line: ------------------------------ |
| 19:23.27 | Zurik | but i got mine in like 3 days from purchase from amazon.com |
| 19:23.42 | Cide | or *a* line, not necessarily that one, but not necessarily some given other line either |
| 19:23.45 | Zurik | Cide: lol |
| 19:24.07 | Anaral | ckknight: Why does Cartographer not realize that if I send a note to the guild, I obviously already have the note? It keeps throwing errors at me in chat. :p |
| 19:24.28 | ckknight | um |
| 19:24.30 | ckknight | not sure |
| 19:24.42 | Zurik | how do i get the length of players if my table is like this. |
| 19:24.42 | Lunessa | Milenko: You can also read the slightly older version of Programming in Lua at lua.org |
| 19:24.45 | Zurik | players=" |
| 19:24.45 | Cide | I'm guessing because the code has a flaw! |
| 19:24.47 | ckknight | I'm kind of abandoning my efforts on the current cartographer and focusing on cartographer3, hate to say. |
| 19:24.50 | Zurik | god damnit it. |
| 19:24.55 | Zurik | i hit enter lol |
| 19:24.56 | Cide | don't be so redundant |
| 19:25.00 | ckknight | more interested on getting that up to par |
| 19:25.13 | Anaral | Ooh |
| 19:25.15 | Zurik | players={"a","b","c"} |
| 19:25.18 | ckknight | ~cartographer3 |
| 19:25.19 | purl | well, cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523 |
| 19:25.23 | ckknight | please test, and please make tickets |
| 19:25.25 | Lunessa | malreth: You should not kill me for cucumber flavored treats. That would be bad. |
| 19:25.25 | ckknight | even for small things |
| 19:25.33 | Anaral | Yay! |
| 19:25.35 | Anaral | Will do! |
| 19:25.54 | ckknight | Anaral: note: I know it's not feature-complete, so for features that you miss, please make bugs for them. |
| 19:26.06 | Anaral | Otay |
| 19:26.07 | ckknight | make tickets* |
| 19:26.57 | Zurik | anyone? length of a table? Len(table) ? |
| 19:27.02 | ckknight | #blah |
| 19:27.09 | Anaral | I don't use that many of the current features, so as long as I can scale and maybe set alpha on the main map and have coords on main map, I won't be too bothered. But I'll write plenty of tickets. |
| 19:27.13 | malreth | Lunessa: i could no sooner kill you than i could kick Cide in the shin |
| 19:27.14 | ckknight | lua> blah = { 'hello', 'friend' }; print(#blah) |
| 19:27.15 | lua_bot | ckknight: 2 |
| 19:27.16 | kd3 | wee at rhythmbox randomly picking the FFCC soundtrack |
| 19:27.35 | Zurik | nice! thanks ckknight. |
| 19:27.37 | Cide | malreth: I kill you back first |
| 19:27.39 | ckknight | Anaral: no alpha yet, there is a ticket for that, though |
| 19:27.40 | Lunessa | Wait, kicking Cide in the shin would be pure joy. |
| 19:27.45 | Cide | I'll kill you. |
| 19:27.54 | ckknight | Anaral: scaling is just mousewheel to zoom in and out, drag the corner of the map to resize |
| 19:28.00 | malreth | Cide says such funny things. |
| 19:28.03 | Lunessa | Cide: Don't make me get all Vulcan Nerve Pinch on you. |
| 19:28.30 | Zurik | ROFL! omg Lunessa |
| 19:28.40 | Zurik | you say the funniest things. |
| 19:28.48 | Lunessa | It's the drugs. |
| 19:28.51 | Zurik | haha |
| 19:28.55 | Zurik | maybe *winks* |
| 19:29.48 | Zurik | you wanna hear something funny.. i just got introduced to Bass Hunter about 2 weeks ago and I have not stopped listening to him like non stop. |
| 19:30.03 | Zurik | same songs from http://myspace.com/basshunterdance all day all night |
| 19:30.04 | Zurik | lol |
| 19:30.26 | Zurik | I think i'm obsessed. |
| 19:31.17 | Lunessa | keylogger |
| 19:31.23 | Tekkub | god I hate people... in darny abusing the AH... some tard in Darkshore: "4 horde inc" me: "so?" him: "that's mean" |
| 19:32.56 | Zurik | Tekkub: ?? |
| 19:33.34 | Tekkub | some idiot sending me a random tell from Darkshore to tell me horde are coming |
| 19:33.58 | Tekkub | if I gave a rat's ass, I'd be in worlddefense, thanks |
| 19:37.49 | malreth | maybe he knows you're the only person who can do something about it |
| 19:38.05 | cladhaire | YOU'RE THEIR ONLY HOPE |
| 19:38.08 | Zurik | haha |
| 19:38.19 | Zurik | then they are in trouble! lol |
| 19:38.28 | Zurik | *grinz* |
| 19:45.45 | Zurik | if i have two tables one with just the player name in it. and the second table has a bunch of details for that player .. how do i lookup the player in the second table by the players name? |
| 19:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Depends on how your tables are structured |
| 19:49.55 | malreth | Zurik: it sounds like you're not using tables efficiently |
| 19:50.56 | Zurik | well i don't have anything indexed if that's what you mean. |
| 19:51.13 | Zurik | i'll pastey |
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| 19:52.16 | Zurik | http://pastey.net/89936 |
| 19:52.20 | Zurik | that is my lookup table. |
| 19:52.38 | Zurik | I want to find this player by the NAME field |
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| 19:52.55 | Zurik | or rather.. get this record by name filed. |
| 19:53.08 | malreth | line... breaks... o_O |
| 19:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | memberdate["Zurik"] = {...} |
| 19:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | s/date/data/ |
| 19:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you can just check if memberdata[PlayerName] is nil or not |
| 19:53.57 | malreth | yep. you want to use the table like a hash |
| 19:54.24 | Zurik | hrm.. damn.. now i have to rebuild my entire dataTable lol |
| 19:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Your other option involves scanning through every single entry in the table every time you look someone up. |
| 19:54.50 | malreth | otherwise, you'll have to iterate over all entries in memberData |
| 19:54.51 | Cide | that's what you get for poor design |
| 19:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | What Cide said |
| 19:55.18 | Zurik | yep.. well i'm a noob .. so ./shrugs.. |
| 19:55.30 | malreth | 'sokay |
| 19:55.33 | Zurik | thanks for the help.. i'll recreate the datatable lol |
| 19:55.41 | malreth | you'll get the hang of it |
| 19:58.56 | Anaral | ckknight: Okay, C3 is really cool on first glance... if a little bare of options. :) |
| 19:59.09 | ckknight | quite valid. |
| 20:00.22 | malreth | http://lonelysandwich.com/post/39478066/the-most-unfair-thing-about-life-is-the-way-it |
| 20:01.28 | Anaral | I'm way too easily amused by just running my mouse in circles around the map. Heh. |
| 20:01.44 | ckknight | hehe |
| 20:01.55 | ckknight | well, any thoughts and ideas are appreciated, really |
| 20:02.03 | ckknight | I use the ticket system as a todo list |
| 20:02.24 | ckknight | so things on there will very likely get done |
| 20:02.27 | ckknight | also, voting is useful |
| 20:02.46 | Anaral | I never realized how little land Silithus took up... or do you not have it scaled right? |
| 20:03.21 | malreth | Anaral: silithus' map originally included the space taken up by AQ |
| 20:03.36 | malreth | after patch 1.8, i believe, they rescaled the map |
| 20:03.44 | Anaral | Ah, that makes sense |
| 20:04.41 | Anaral | What is the point of the 'p' button? It doesn't seem to do much. |
| 20:04.42 | ckknight | Anaral: everything is scaled properly except the instances (I haven't done the calculation on those yet) |
| 20:04.46 | ckknight | Anaral: follow player |
| 20:05.02 | ckknight | Anaral: move your mouse off the map and move your toon a bit |
| 20:05.20 | Anaral | Oooh |
| 20:05.21 | Anaral | lol |
| 20:05.42 | Anaral | The indent of the p being down wasn't noticable enough. |
| 20:06.18 | ckknight | I made a new ticket: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/41-description-tooltips-for-the-small-buttons-on-the-bottom/ |
| 20:06.20 | ckknight | :-P |
| 20:06.33 | ckknight | I also plan to have icons for those eventually |
| 20:06.40 | haste | long url is long and painful |
| 20:06.41 | ckknight | rather than single-characters |
| 20:06.46 | ckknight | haste: howso? |
| 20:06.53 | ckknight | haste: also, only the number's important |
| 20:06.59 | ckknight | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/41/ redirects there |
| 20:07.08 | haste | it wraps in my terminal! |
| 20:07.11 | haste | that's usually a bad sign |
| 20:07.16 | ckknight | you're a bad sign. |
| 20:07.21 | ckknight | :-P |
| 20:07.22 | Anaral | Heh |
| 20:07.24 | haste | no u! |
| 20:07.30 | ckknight | ur mom |
| 20:07.36 | ckknight | lulz |
| 20:07.36 | haste | was awesome |
| 20:07.40 | ckknight | truth |
| 20:07.42 | ckknight | she was |
| 20:07.48 | Anaral | ckknight: Is there a ticket in to have the option of scaling the guild dots? |
| 20:07.48 | ckknight | she'll be sorely missed |
| 20:08.00 | ckknight | Anaral: no, there should be |
| 20:08.21 | ckknight | Anaral: though it should be for independent scaling of poi types as well as scaling of all pois |
| 20:08.51 | Anaral | Aye. |
| 20:09.10 | ckknight | and call them POIs, not dots |
| 20:09.12 | ckknight | if you will |
| 20:09.17 | ckknight | thanks |
| 20:09.25 | Anaral | Are there other poi points in yet? *is reloading her ui...* |
| 20:10.22 | ckknight | Anaral: group and player |
| 20:10.55 | ckknight | though if you have any enhancement requests, feel free to make as many tickets as you deem necessary |
| 20:11.08 | Anaral | Okay. *goes to check what tickets are in, so she doesn't annoy ck with questions* |
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| 20:19.27 | foxlit | gah, hotmail of eternal failure |
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| 20:21.29 | malreth | ~fail hotmail |
| 20:21.29 | purl | You suck at everything in life, hotmail. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:22.57 | foxlit | fairly close |
| 20:23.10 | foxlit | it got itself stuck in an authentication redirect loop just now. |
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| 20:24.34 | MentalPower | can anyone recomend any web-based svn repo viewers? |
| 20:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | viewcvs |
| 20:24.44 | Thunder_Child | yes, i am sure someone can |
| 20:24.45 | ZealotOnAStick | smariot ever in IRC? |
| 20:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Works for svn |
| 20:26.26 | MentalPower | ~seen smariot |
| 20:26.28 | purl | smariot <n=smariot@bas3-sudbury98-1168049106.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 22d 20h 13m 55s ago, saying: 'Zyuu: http://halshop.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/phpw9jvl0pm.jpg'. |
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| 20:27.35 | Zurik | MentalPower!! |
| 20:27.53 | MentalPower | Zurik!! |
| 20:28.10 | Zurik | heh.. howz it going. |
| 20:28.54 | MentalPower | pretty good |
| 20:31.03 | Zurik | so you know how i have that datafile? |
| 20:31.15 | Zurik | it's not index by name.. |
| 20:31.30 | malreth | is it indexed by fruit flavor? |
| 20:31.32 | Zurik | so i have no clue other than looping, of how to find the player i want stats for. |
| 20:31.56 | Zurik | so now i have to rebuild it lol |
| 20:32.03 | malreth | make sure you cross reference the orange by iterating across the raspberry |
| 20:32.15 | Zurik | Mal: haha |
| 20:32.48 | MentalPower | Zurik: build a lookup table |
| 20:32.58 | Zurik | how so? |
| 20:33.10 | Lunessa | don't forget the cucumbers. |
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| 20:34.12 | malreth | what you can do is iterate over the table that you currently have |
| 20:34.17 | malreth | and build a new table |
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| 20:34.28 | malreth | that indices each name with a number |
| 20:34.36 | Zurik | awh.. good idea. |
| 20:34.37 | MentalPower | local lookupTable = {} for index, contents in pairs(memberData) do lookupTable[contents.NAME] = memberData[index] end |
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| 20:34.43 | Blargs | Can someone help me with a eePanels2 question? |
| 20:35.09 | MentalPower | actually... |
| 20:35.14 | MentalPower | ~asktoask |
| 20:35.14 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:35.15 | malreth | Zurik: you just have to do it once and then keep it up to date if entries are added to the table |
| 20:35.31 | malreth | no one here uses eePanels2 |
| 20:35.36 | MentalPower | for index, contents in ipairs(memberData) do memberData[contents.NAME] = memberData[index] end |
| 20:35.52 | Blargs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.53 | malreth | MentalPower: heh.. |
| 20:39.38 | Lunessa | Blargs: You attach other items to the Parent frame. If black is the "main panel" to which you will attach all your others, you want to set it as the parent. All the other panels will then show or hide based on the status of that panel. |
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| 21:04.46 | erikd | pro tip: don't remotely reboot a machine if you don't know that it won't error out on the boot up |
| 21:05.02 | Hapnintwo | :) |
| 21:05.26 | Lunessa | pro tip: keep a fucking boot disk for all you machines. |
| 21:05.35 | Anaral | Heh, yes |
| 21:05.47 | |Jelly| | pro tip: shit |
| 21:05.50 | Anaral | Next week will be time for me to update mine... |
| 21:06.02 | foxlit | triple negatives <# |
| 21:06.12 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Yes, even the pros do that. |
| 21:06.20 | erikd | well, i think i messed up my fstab so i just have to fix that when i get home :) |
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| 21:17.33 | Anaral | Where in the curse options can I change the time settings? It has me set for GMT, but I'm GMT -4. |
| 21:17.48 | ckknight | Anaral: curse.com? |
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| 21:20.16 | Anaral | Aye |
| 21:22.19 | Anaral | And yet again, I find the answer after asking the question but before it's answered. |
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| 21:51.52 | Anaral | Are the curseforge forums brand new, or very unused? |
| 21:51.59 | ckknight | brand new |
| 21:52.06 | ckknight | brand = a week |
| 21:52.09 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:52.19 | ckknight | curseforge itself is kinda new |
| 21:52.56 | Anaral | That's still new. ;) |
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| 21:56.56 | Anaral | And it also explains why a project that hasn't been touched since Dec2006 had an update date of 6/20/2008. |
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| 22:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | NE racial FTW |
| 22:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Met a rogue on my way into Org |
| 22:29.14 | ScytheBlade1 | This helps the corpse run :P |
| 22:30.03 | Anaral | I wonder how much I'll be able to do on my 38 hunter... lol |
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| 22:46.01 | rane_ | how do i get unix timestamp in wow? |
| 22:46.13 | Kirov | GetTime() |
| 22:46.21 | Kirov | er, sorry |
| 22:46.24 | Kirov | that's cpu time |
| 22:47.10 | rane_ | basically i'm writing a macro that will do a raidwarning but the macro will be tied to a spell cast so it will be spammed |
| 22:47.24 | rane_ | and to avoid the spam i have to do some time checking i think |
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| 22:48.07 | Kirov | So, you just want to wait a couple of seconds between spam? |
| 22:48.26 | rane_ | yes |
| 22:48.35 | Kirov | use GetTime() then |
| 22:48.36 | rane_ | i think that GetTime() should do it |
| 22:49.45 | Kirov | if not SavedTime or SavedTime < GetTime() then |
| 22:49.45 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.45 | Kirov | end |
| 22:49.48 | Kirov | 10 second wait |
| 22:53.24 | Arrowmaster | dont do waits in macros |
| 22:54.24 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - he's not doing a wait, he's hitting a button over and over and doesn't want it to spam every time |
| 22:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I love Hortus |
| 22:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7353018646&sid=1 |
| 22:54.36 | Lunessa | If you want delays for chat - and you use any Ace2 AddOns you can do /in X and then your /rw - or get InDemand or Chronos for that. |
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| 22:56.06 | rane_ | you completely misunderstood me :P |
| 22:56.17 | rane_ | but thanks for help |
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| 23:06.24 | Lunessa | I was typing as an answer and hit enter before going back to read what you were doing. :P |
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| 23:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Brewfest on the PTR |
| 23:20.24 | Anaral | Good for it. |
| 23:23.43 | rane_ | lua> nil |
| 23:23.43 | Anaral | So is Brewfest getting a full makeover too? |
| 23:23.43 | lua_bot | rane_: nil |
| 23:23.51 | rane_ | lua> nil == false |
| 23:23.52 | lua_bot | rane_: false |
| 23:24.00 | rane_ | lua> nil === false |
| 23:24.00 | lua_bot | rane_: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 23:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaral: small makeover from the sound of it |
| 23:24.17 | rane_ | does nil evaluate as false or not? |
| 23:24.25 | Corrodias | yes |
| 23:24.45 | Corrodias | or rather |
| 23:24.52 | Corrodias | as a condition, it is false |
| 23:25.07 | rane_ | ye |
| 23:25.27 | Anaral | But not as drastic as midsummer, I take it? |
| 23:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Small changes, new seasonal boss in BRD |
| 23:26.46 | Anaral | Neato |
| 23:27.17 | Anaral | Not that BRD needs yet another boss. |
| 23:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 23:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | There is much truth in that statement |
| 23:30.39 | Anaral | Do we know where this new boss will be in BRD? |
| 23:31.05 | Corrodias | BRD needs another boss like i need another nipple hair. |
| 23:31.20 | Anaral | *smirk* |
| 23:31.28 | Corrodias | which, i might add, isn't much |
| 23:32.32 | *** join/#wowuidev dylanm (n=dylanm@c-68-62-4-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:32.50 | Lunessa | BRD - Full of fail. |
| 23:52.34 | Duman | lol Hortus cracks me up |
| 23:53.02 | Duman | I wonder if he ever goes to blizzcon |
| 23:53.13 | Duman | I need to shake his hand |
| 23:56.35 | Lunessa | The life-cycle of any content is nearing it's end when people decide the only way to do it well is to multi-box it. |
| 23:58.11 | Anaral | To do it well it must be done in groups, but the player base wants solo play. The easiest way to solo play group content is to multi-box. |
| 23:59.45 | Nechckn | One reason I sort of like GuildWars |
| 23:59.54 | Lunessa | I just think that in MMO terms, the game's content is diminished when the most appealing way to play it is as yourself, with multiple toons. It's a valid style of play for some folks, and rife with interesting technical challenges. But it means your content is failing to engage enough people to want to do it in groups. |
| 23:59.59 | Nechckn | is because you can "rent" the NPCs to fill-out your party |
