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| 00:04.32 | Legorol | Coming back to the person that didn't leave: |
| 00:04.42 | Legorol | I'd like to point out that the method I described should only be used as a last resort. |
| 00:04.51 | Legorol | In general, I favour peaceful discussion/resolution. |
| 00:05.04 | Legorol | It takes two sides to be both stubborn for it to be needed, in which case things are already wrong. |
| 00:07.34 | Legorol | In the particular case I encountered today, I wouldn't have advised the group to use the method I mentioned if I'd been aware of the full circumstances. |
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| 00:08.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey, did they drop the post timer cooldown to 30 seconds? |
| 00:09.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: "full circumstances"? |
| 00:09.53 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: I was the replacement. I was told that the guy needed replacing but was refusing to leave. |
| 00:10.24 | Legorol | I wasn't aware of, nor did I spend the time to enquire about the full circumstances and reasons. That's not my problem. |
| 00:10.51 | Legorol | However, it turned out the group was being a jerk too, about as much as the guy who was being replaced. |
| 00:11.18 | cladhaire | !ego 12 |
| 00:11.44 | Legorol | lolwut? |
| 00:11.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: ah, well, the saying goes 'it takes two to tango' :P |
| 00:11.55 | Legorol | yup |
| 00:11.57 | cladhaire | that wasn't supposed to go here |
| 00:11.59 | cladhaire | not that it matters P |
| 00:12.01 | cladhaire | :P |
| 00:12.10 | Legorol | things need to be pretty bad for schemes liek that to be needed |
| 00:12.42 | NightHawkTheSane | :o apprentice riding for 35g at level 30? |
| 00:13.23 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 00:13.23 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 00:13.29 | Mikk | NightHawkTheSane: new faction discounts |
| 00:13.37 | Mikk | er 30? |
| 00:13.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: reading mmo-champion's patch notes.. |
| 00:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Also up on the official site, in the usual place |
| 00:14.37 | Mikk | oh that's kinda nice i guess |
| 00:14.40 | NightHawkTheSane | "Equipping an item will now cancel any spell cast currently in progress." hm, i sense an end to spellsurge weapon swapping >< |
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| 00:17.42 | Lunessa | ... wtf? I somehow quit Colloquy? |
| 00:18.38 | NightHawkTheSane | were you trying to quit another app, and just mistook which was front when you cmd-q'd? |
| 00:19.26 | Lunessa | Not sure what I did, but I didn't CMD-Q though. |
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| 00:21.34 | Corrodias | cmd-q is for jerks |
| 00:27.22 | Lunessa | Then it is for me. |
| 00:27.25 | Lunessa | Asshat. |
| 00:27.48 | |Jelly| | He said jerks, not assholes. <3 |
| 00:28.01 | Lunessa | Damn. |
| 00:28.05 | Lunessa | ~Fail Lunessa |
| 00:28.06 | purl | Lunessa, you Fail! |
| 00:28.23 | JoshBorke | why would you do "_G["myFrameName"]:Show()" instead of myFrameName:Show()? |
| 00:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?characterId=433405067&sid=1 |
| 00:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I have an awesome post history at this very moment |
| 00:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | (Just the first page) |
| 00:29.50 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 00:30.08 | kd3 | heh, the keyloggers are getting more creative |
| 00:30.14 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but luckily they're not creative to hit "switch character" |
| 00:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | All I did was refresh the PTR forums, see a keylogger |
| 00:31.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Click "all posts by this user" and mass report |
| 00:31.51 | Corrodias | my post history is full of fail |
| 00:32.05 | Corrodias | i hate every version of myself more than about 6 months old |
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| 00:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: that a moving average? |
| 00:32.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 00:32.57 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 00:33.39 | Lunessa | So... parsing that phrase, and using reductio ad absurdum - you've hated yourself since you were 6 months old? |
| 00:34.11 | Corrodias | presumably |
| 00:34.14 | Corrodias | i don't remember it, though |
| 00:34.39 | Corrodias | this conversation will look incredibly stupid half a year from now. |
| 00:36.44 | Lunessa | Well, play it forward too... You hate your future self as well. |
| 00:37.04 | Corrodias | no, he's awesome. way more mature. |
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| 00:37.24 | Lunessa | And presumably wins the internets. |
| 00:37.38 | Corrodias | he has a whole trophy case for all of his internets |
| 00:37.55 | Corrodias | speaking of which, i ordered a new Dell monitor today. yay! |
| 00:38.07 | Lunessa | new hardware = love |
| 00:38.37 | JoshBorke | clad|sleep: nn |
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| 00:40.23 | clad|sleep | night :P |
| 00:45.33 | Corrodias | i must find some situations in which i can use the quote, "These toys are too much for you. I command you to return them to me!", from Ocarina of Time. |
| 00:46.48 | Tem | Heroic difficulty mode is not available for Stratholm. :( |
| 00:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: try epic |
| 00:49.13 | Corrodias | so i'm looking at my Wind Waker saves, and i seem to have a new game whose slot is colored brown instead of green, and has a little triforce next to it. i have no idea what this is. perhaps a saved "finished" game? |
| 00:49.30 | JoshBorke | sounds like it |
| 00:50.00 | Tem | holy balls there's a lot of stealth seers in here |
| 00:50.09 | Corrodias | yes, take care |
| 00:50.09 | Tem | thankfully, I can avoid them pretty easily |
| 00:50.29 | Corrodias | you'll be ambushed by the "eye"s once in a while. not much you can do about that unless you're quick and kill them. |
| 00:50.35 | Corrodias | bear and swipe for your life ;/ |
| 00:50.45 | Tem | oh fuck you eye of naxrammas |
| 00:52.19 | Tem | well, it appears I can solo aproximately half the instance in my tank gear |
| 00:52.42 | Corrodias | :) |
| 00:53.10 | Corrodias | note, beyond ... what was it, something like 21-27k... armor, you will gain no more reduction against level 60 enemies |
| 00:53.31 | Tem | good call... |
| 00:53.36 | Tem | I'm in 32k atm |
| 00:53.44 | Corrodias | yeah, you can swap out some for damage gear to go faster |
| 00:53.54 | Tem | oh hell |
| 00:53.55 | NightHawkTheSane | (and probably pick up more dodge) |
| 00:53.56 | Tem | I got a disease |
| 00:53.59 | Tem | that's also a dot |
| 00:54.03 | Corrodias | NightHawkTheSane speaks the truth |
| 00:54.20 | Lunessa | THE LIVING ARE HERE! |
| 00:54.22 | Corrodias | Tem: actually, you don't need to stealth, most of the time; their aggro range is small enough |
| 00:55.06 | Corrodias | as for the baron, it is honestly quite a bit easier if you have some shadow resistance. i don't think i was able to beat him without a few pieces at least. maybe i sucked, or don't remember. |
| 00:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: what level gear did you have, out of curiosity? |
| 00:56.02 | Corrodias | it'd have to have been pretty much full karazhan/badge gear |
| 00:58.21 | Lunessa | I did get pretty far through the dead side soloing on my demonology lock in pretty cruddy gear. Had to give up on the Baroness though 'cause the possession just hosed me. |
| 00:59.03 | Tem | Woot! the flute guy is spawned! |
| 00:59.14 | Corrodias | i don't think she possesses if you're solo. |
| 00:59.20 | Lunessa | She did me. |
| 00:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: i think he -always- spawns, just a matter of where |
| 00:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: pet out? |
| 00:59.30 | Corrodias | it might have been changed after you did that, unless it was recently |
| 00:59.38 | Lunessa | Yeah. Demonology lock. |
| 00:59.56 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, oh? |
| 00:59.57 | Tem | neat |
| 00:59.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i think MC'ing mobs -wont- mc if you're solo, but if you're grouped OR have a pet, they will |
| 00:59.58 | Lunessa | I was thinking of trying to get the mount. |
| 01:00.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: yeah, he's got like ~3 different spawn points, some of them more obnoxious than others |
| 01:00.19 | Lunessa | And a free Nax attunement for him. |
| 01:02.40 | kd3 | oh wow... half of the os x boxen in the world can get rooted |
| 01:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: eh? link? |
| 01:02.56 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.57 | Lunessa | Story plz? |
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| 01:03.15 | kd3 | http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/06/18/1919224.shtml |
| 01:04.10 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, so its not really a remote exploit. |
| 01:04.11 | kd3 | not remotely, though |
| 01:04.14 | kd3 | ya |
| 01:04.17 | Kyahx | didnt there used to be an "Out of control" frame or something |
| 01:04.22 | Kyahx | for a screen edge glow |
| 01:05.41 | Lunessa | "Security is like sex. Once you're penetrated you're ****ed." |
| 01:09.18 | Lunessa | It's a concern, but a small one. |
| 01:09.38 | NightHawkTheSane | as much as any other malware, really. *shrug* |
| 01:17.48 | Thunder_Child | "18:04.23 kd3: not remotely, though" |
| 01:17.51 | Thunder_Child | ~lart kd3 |
| 01:17.51 | purl | beats kd3 over the head with a microkernel |
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| 01:18.42 | Thunder_Child | welcome lope |
| 01:18.55 | Lopeppeppy | Heya! |
| 01:19.33 | Lunessa | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 01:19.34 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 01:21.25 | Sixen | ~hugs Lune |
| 01:21.26 | purl | hugs Lune even though it's not "prim & proper" to do so |
| 01:21.28 | Sixen | =] |
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| 01:23.42 | Lunessa | Hey, I'm not a fan of prim and proper. ;) |
| 01:24.00 | Esamynn | ROFL: http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/06/17/1941200.shtml |
| 01:24.06 | Lopeppeppy | Me either. That's why I like you! |
| 01:24.50 | Sixen | =P |
| 01:31.14 | cog|away | Amazing picture of water on Mars: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc.jpg |
| 01:31.29 | kd3 | lol |
| 01:31.31 | Esamynn | ~lart cogwheel |
| 01:31.31 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into cogwheel's ear |
| 01:31.41 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 01:31.41 | purl | Esamynn: thanks |
| 01:31.45 | cogwheel | the url tricked me :( |
| 01:31.49 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:33.39 | Seerah | win |
| 01:34.16 | Lunessa | cogwheel: nasa.gov - :P |
| 01:35.52 | Lunessa | I work around the corner from the Johnson Space Center. Lots of those guys have an odd sense of humor. |
| 01:38.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lart cogwheel |
| 01:38.12 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps cogwheel |
| 01:38.17 | Thunder_Child | EXACTLY! |
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| 01:43.06 | Sixen | Hai so, should I buy that book? |
| 01:43.51 | Lunessa | That book is teh awesum |
| 01:44.03 | Sixen | =] |
| 01:44.18 | Sixen | http://search.barnesandnoble.com/World-of-Warcraft-Programming/James-Whitehead/e/9780470229811/?itm=1 |
| 01:44.19 | Sixen | that, right? |
| 01:44.28 | Sixen | I know there were 2, an old one and a new one. |
| 01:44.33 | Seerah | mine is sitting on my desk |
| 01:44.41 | Sixen | Is it helpful? :/ |
| 01:44.41 | Seerah | the other one is "Hacking World of Warcraft" |
| 01:44.47 | Sixen | Yeah! That. |
| 01:45.00 | Sixen | Does the new one cover what "Hacking WoW" covers as well? |
| 01:45.09 | Seerah | this one is more geared towards coding and development, rather than addons in general |
| 01:45.19 | Sixen | As opposed to the other one? |
| 01:45.26 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:45.27 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:45.42 | Lunessa | Yes, Sixen the newer book covers a lot more ground, and a lot more basically than Hacking does. |
| 01:45.53 | Cairenn | it's absolutely phenomenal |
| 01:46.08 | Sixen | So, obviously get the new one instead of the Hacking one? |
| 01:46.17 | Cairenn | definitely |
| 01:46.43 | Cairenn | think about it this way - non UI blizz programmers are using it when they want to do UI programming |
| 01:46.54 | Sixen | Hahaha. |
| 01:46.56 | Seerah | Sixen: the old one was about addons in general, macros, skins, and a little bit on coding. But the new one covers coding in much more depth |
| 01:47.15 | Cairenn | and the UI programmers have it at hand for a quick API reference :p |
| 01:47.31 | Sixen | hmm |
| 01:47.41 | Seerah | I've learned a lot from it so far, as a beginner, and I like having the API at hand to browse through instead of wowwiki |
| 01:47.44 | Lunessa | It's really good. Each of the authors really does the topic justice. It's a good way to get your feet wet with XML, Lua, and the WoW API. |
| 01:47.56 | Sixen | Alright, that's what I wanted to know.. |
| 01:47.57 | Seerah | plus there's the companion site |
| 01:48.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: as far as I know, Hacking was really a guide to addons and macros for those who are less technically inclined. |
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| 01:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Programming is... about 209384x more useful for a programmer |
| 01:48.16 | Sixen | Well, I wasl ooking to learn Lua, mostly. |
| 01:48.25 | Seerah | get wowprogramming |
| 01:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:48.46 | Sixen | It was either that or Python, Perl, or Ruby. I figured Lua would make much more sense since I can actually use it for WoW as wlel. |
| 01:49.16 | Seerah | though I'd get it from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-Creating/dp/0470229810/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213840141&sr=8-1 |
| 01:49.27 | Seerah | couple bucks cheaper |
| 01:49.35 | Seerah | and free shipping |
| 01:49.40 | Sixen | I've got a Barnes & Nboel gift card ;) |
| 01:49.48 | Seerah | ahh |
| 01:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The more I play with lua, the more I like it. Truth be told I'd much rather liked to have learned lua as my first language |
| 01:50.02 | Seerah | lol |
| 01:50.20 | Lunessa | Lua makes a good first language. |
| 01:50.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I really really think it does |
| 01:50.39 | Lunessa | From there, it's not that far to java or C/C++ |
| 01:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | No, for programming theory it's really incredible |
| 01:50.54 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 01:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of people who come here with existing C knowledge, learning lua |
| 01:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Consider lua backwards |
| 01:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You give them a single day of really using it, and it's fantastic |
| 01:51.29 | Lunessa | I used to think Perl was a great starter language, but as it evolved I decided it was a great "lazy man's" language instead. |
| 01:53.32 | Sixen | Heh |
| 01:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll say this, lua really has very little "real world use" at the moment |
| 01:54.11 | Seerah | I was thinking "first language" as in "instead of English" :P |
| 01:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | But all things considered, I don't see that as reason enough to not learn it first |
| 01:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | The benefits outweight the disadvantes, imo |
| 01:54.28 | Sixen | Well hmm |
| 01:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | *disadvantages |
| 01:54.41 | Sixen | If I get the WoWProgramming book, will I still learn Lua in general? |
| 01:55.03 | Sixen | For example, can I apply it to say, a random script outside of WoW? What i'm asking, is if WoW's Lua is similar to just random old Lua. |
| 01:56.00 | Seerah | for the most part. but it does have its own little quirks/syntaxes, iirc |
| 01:56.11 | ckknight | Sixen: wowprogramming's first bit just teaches lua |
| 01:56.18 | ckknight | afaik |
| 01:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW's lua is for the most part identical in all forms that matter |
| 01:57.09 | cogwheel | yep. Part I is all about Lua (and XML, but that's only one chapter iirc) |
| 01:57.28 | cog|movie | oh and buy it from wowprogramming.com/store plx ;) |
| 01:57.30 | cog|movie | bbl |
| 01:57.44 | Seerah | he has a B&N gift card, cog :P |
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| 02:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got it here. Many people in the channel have it |
| 02:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | If your goal is to learn lua, it'll teach that as far as it matters in WoW |
| 02:03.58 | Sixen | Awesome. |
| 02:04.06 | Sixen | Oh, sorry Cog, :(. |
| 02:04.07 | Lunessa | And once you have the basics down, the rest falls into place. Once you know one programming language, learning another is much easier. |
| 02:04.14 | Sixen | Mmm. |
| 02:04.59 | Lunessa | And you kids have it easy today. no COBOL, FORTRAN, ADA, LISP or C for your first languages. Oh no. |
| 02:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, truth. |
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| 02:08.39 | Lunessa | do function until result. Oy. |
| 02:12.32 | Legorol | Lunessa: my work involves Fortran. On a daily basis. |
| 02:12.35 | Kaso | Wine 1.0 out today? awesome |
| 02:12.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Few days ago |
| 02:12.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, awesome indeed |
| 02:12.44 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 02:12.45 | Lunessa | Legorol: You have my sympathies. |
| 02:12.54 | Thunder_Child | checkers? nah |
| 02:12.54 | Kaso | oh yah tuesday |
| 02:13.02 | Legorol | It's a lot of fun actually. I get to blame my poor code on poor language design :o) |
| 02:13.04 | Thunder_Child | s/nah/bah/ |
| 02:13.12 | Legorol | Plus I don't have to do any OO, everything is linear |
| 02:13.15 | kd3 | bah. PTR's up, somewhat |
| 02:13.31 | Ackis | wtb spell IDs of new recipes pst |
| 02:13.36 | Lunessa | Heh, I had a buddy who was a hardcore COBOL guy. Oodles of work until Jan 5 2000, none since. |
| 02:13.45 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:14.16 | Legorol | Fortran does have one thing going for it, it has a number of features on language level for scientific programming. |
| 02:14.30 | Legorol | Such as dealing with vectors |
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| 02:16.09 | Lunessa | true dat. I haven't done anything in fortran in /ages/ though. Hell, I haven't done anything /useful/ in any language since 2000. |
| 02:16.48 | devXer0 | is there a way to do multiple matches for example: string.find("1234,abcwow","(%d+)abc(%a+)); |
| 02:16.57 | devXer0 | I seem to be able to only get one result at a time |
| 02:17.14 | Mikk | you want "1234" and "wow", right? |
| 02:17.19 | devXer0 | right |
| 02:17.34 | devXer0 | I've tried string.match and string.find |
| 02:17.35 | devXer0 | I |
| 02:17.42 | devXer0 | m probably overlooking something dumb |
| 02:17.50 | Mikk | the only difference between those two is whether or not they return the positions or not |
| 02:18.01 | devXer0 | right |
| 02:18.13 | devXer0 | I'm just trying to keep from having multiple regex lines |
| 02:18.14 | Mikk | >lua print( string.find("1234,abcwow","(%d+)abc(%a+))) |
| 02:18.20 | Mikk | lua> print( string.find("1234,abcwow","(%d+)abc(%a+))) |
| 02:18.20 | lua_bot | Mikk: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 02:18.31 | Mikk | lua> print( string.find("1234,abcwow","(%d+)abc(%a+)")) |
| 02:18.32 | lua_bot | Mikk: nil |
| 02:18.44 | Mikk | yeah that wont match at all |
| 02:18.48 | Mikk | lua> print( string.find("1234abcwow","(%d+)abc(%a+)")) |
| 02:18.48 | lua_bot | Mikk: 1, 10, 1234, wow |
| 02:18.54 | Mikk | there we go |
| 02:19.18 | Mikk | lua> print( string.match("1234abcwow","(%d+)abc(%a+)")) |
| 02:19.18 | lua_bot | Mikk: 1234, wow |
| 02:19.26 | devXer0 | huh... |
| 02:19.34 | devXer0 | ok, thanks Mikk |
| 02:19.37 | Mikk | i removed the comma |
| 02:19.44 | Mikk | it caused the whole expression to no match |
| 02:19.50 | Mikk | dunno if it's relevant to your actual code |
| 02:21.07 | Tem | Things to do before I quit wow: |
| 02:21.14 | Tem | Solo a 45m baron run: Check |
| 02:21.35 | Sixen | Everyone in WotLK Alpha cannot participate in te PTR with the account flagged with Alpha. |
| 02:21.36 | Sixen | Just as a heads up. |
| 02:21.44 | kd3 | ah, I was wondering |
| 02:25.53 | Sixen | And what the hell. |
| 02:25.56 | Sixen | Our account names are taken again. |
| 02:26.06 | Sixen | Sixen, Elzix, Izual, Kaydeethree are all taken |
| 02:26.25 | Sixen | It hasn't been up for more than a half hour, if that. |
| 02:26.31 | kd3 | rofl |
| 02:26.37 | Lunessa | ... lawl |
| 02:26.40 | Sixen | Even a random name I made up was taken.. |
| 02:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I have my character from the last PTR phase it seems |
| 02:29.09 | Sixen | The name is taken or the char is still there? |
| 02:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Char is still there |
| 02:29.19 | Sixen | Oh |
| 02:29.26 | Sixen | Then that explains the problem.. Because I can't login to my account to see it. |
| 02:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 02:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | We have premades |
| 02:33.25 | Sixen | Mmm |
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| 02:39.50 | kd3 | oi vey |
| 02:40.06 | Sixen | Srsly :/ |
| 02:40.17 | Thunder_Child | oy givalt |
| 02:40.40 | Nom- | # Summon Warhorse is now available at level 30. ??????????????????? |
| 02:40.42 | Nom- | Wow |
| 02:40.48 | Thunder_Child | spelling yiddish is iritating |
| 02:46.41 | Nom- | # Curse of Shadows: This spell has been removed. |
| 02:46.57 | Nom- | ooh curse of ele now does everything |
| 02:46.58 | Nom- | hot |
| 02:47.13 | durcyn | oi vey, Thunder_Child, i'm verklempt |
| 02:47.59 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was with an f |
| 02:48.08 | Thunder_Child | ferklempt? |
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| 02:48.13 | Thunder_Child | eh |
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| 02:52.01 | Thunder_Child | durcyn, that reminds me of blazing saddles |
| 02:53.05 | Fisker- | diablo 3 tiems |
| 02:53.28 | Thunder_Child | ~stupid Fisker- |
| 02:53.40 | Thunder_Child | common purl.... |
| 02:53.42 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 02:56.12 | Fisker- | diablo 3 tiems Thunder_Child |
| 02:57.48 | Thunder_Child | items you mean Fisker-? |
| 02:58.38 | Fisker- | no |
| 02:58.39 | Fisker- | tiems |
| 02:58.42 | Fisker- | as in time |
| 02:59.31 | Thunder_Child | well i dont speak 'Fisker-' so a little more explination is needed |
| 02:59.53 | Thunder_Child | explanation* |
| 02:59.59 | Fisker- | ~wiki Time |
| 03:00.09 | Thunder_Child | ... i know what time is |
| 03:00.30 | Thunder_Child | oh...see it was the plural throwing me off |
| 03:00.45 | Thunder_Child | i was still reading it as times |
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| 03:01.30 | Fisker- | wrum |
| 03:01.44 | Fisker- | btw |
| 03:01.59 | Fisker- | i think it was awsum that Blizzard took down the european sites with a PTR coming up |
| 03:02.06 | Fisker- | great planning right there |
| 03:02.34 | Tem | silly eurofags new content is for amerifags only |
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| 03:03.13 | Fisker- | i see they put in that wotlk money sink in 2.4.3 |
| 03:03.18 | Fisker- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38082#comments |
| 03:04.03 | Fisker- | 13000g to upgrade :o |
| 03:04.08 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 03:04.09 | Fisker- | 22 more slots |
| 03:04.17 | Fisker- | i think i'll wait for wotlk |
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| 03:04.59 | Lunessa | He rode a blazing saddle; he wore a shining star. He rode to offer battle, to bad men near and far! |
| 03:05.23 | nat | hi Lunessa |
| 03:05.23 | Thunder_Child | no Lunessa, just no |
| 03:05.48 | Lunessa | Don't mess with me Thunder_Child, I've seen the movie 60+ times. |
| 03:06.09 | Fisker- | Lunessa my friend |
| 03:06.16 | Fisker- | err |
| 03:06.26 | Fisker- | since when did the us forums list Alpha F&F forums? |
| 03:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: a while ago |
| 03:06.39 | Lunessa | "You can't park that animal here, it's illegal!" *Mongo cold cocks the man's horse* |
| 03:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | &sid=2000 when not logged in |
| 03:07.01 | Fisker- | i mean on the frontpage of the forums page |
| 03:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Link so I know what you mean? |
| 03:08.10 | Lunessa | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/index.html?sid=1 - US Forums Page - now Alpha or other forums listed... |
| 03:08.27 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 03:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 03:08.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Been that way for a bit |
| 03:08.42 | Lunessa | now/no |
| 03:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Log out and hit http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/login.html?sid=2000 |
| 03:09.15 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: No comment. :P |
| 03:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | beta. redirects there |
| 03:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, would be in your TBC beta invite emails |
| 03:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Which... nearly everyone here should have |
| 03:10.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, should we? |
| 03:11.02 | Lunessa | I wasn't a TBC tester. |
| 03:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Even from the WoWI deal? |
| 03:11.41 | Thunder_Child | no nat, we dont "all" want peace |
| 03:11.54 | Fisker- | i'm gonna make a mod that says "ZOMG I'M IN TEH BETA" so i can get the beta |
| 03:11.54 | Fisker- | :P |
| 03:13.06 | Lunessa | I missed out on the WoWI deal. Whatever it was. |
| 03:13.15 | Fisker- | o hai |
| 03:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have an addon created and published |
| 03:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You got a TBC beta invite |
| 03:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | Well, not all of us are addon authors, so phooey. |
| 03:14.20 | Lunessa | I has no addons published. |
| 03:14.34 | Sixen | Seems like SW Harbor was implemented? |
| 03:14.47 | kd3 | there's been a few posts but I haven't seen any definitive screenshots |
| 03:14.55 | Fisker- | there is |
| 03:15.02 | Sixen | Truth. |
| 03:15.06 | Sixen | I'll check soon |
| 03:15.08 | Fisker- | though it isn't connected to SW yet |
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| 03:16.16 | Sixen | # Path of Illidan Code 1111 |
| 03:16.16 | Sixen | # Disco Ball Code 2222 |
| 03:16.16 | Sixen | # Ethereal companion - Code 3333 |
| 03:16.17 | Sixen | fun |
| 03:16.22 | Sixen | PTR Promo codes, heh |
| 03:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Where do you turn them in? |
| 03:16.56 | kd3 | what's-his-name in booty bay |
| 03:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
| 03:17.04 | Sixen | Lando Longshot |
| 03:17.07 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:17.12 | Sixen | =] |
| 03:17.20 | Sixen | lol, that was a question in the IRL Quest at Blizzcon |
| 03:17.30 | Sixen | There was an IRL Quest Chain at Blizzcon |
| 03:17.40 | Sixen | It was awesome, I got a T-Shirt as a reward. |
| 03:18.25 | Lunessa | Been there, done that. Have the t-shirt. :P |
| 03:18.31 | Sixen | :D |
| 03:18.55 | Lunessa | (no, I don't have a blizzard t-shirt, but I do have all the "action figures" - I'm such a geek.) |
| 03:18.57 | Ackis | the ethereal companion looks cool |
| 03:19.03 | Sixen | Brb. |
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| 03:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | neat, the soul trader sells gear that makes you look like an ethereal |
| 03:25.45 | Ackis | what else does he sell? |
| 03:26.12 | durcyn | huh, did Indy move his SCM off of googlecode? |
| 03:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | non-combat pet modifier, alcohol, conjured version of a heavy leather ball |
| 03:26.41 | Anaral|Away | Hmm, they still have my two character copies from the last ptr. |
| 03:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And a 30s detect invis potion |
| 03:27.39 | Anaral|Away | And still have the other names I used for 2.4.0 ptr. Grr. |
| 03:28.22 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm off home. I'll see you all tomorrow. |
| 03:30.47 | Anaral | So, the new stuff is in BB? That makes no sense. |
| 03:31.09 | Ackis | the ude items vendor is in BB all the time |
| 03:31.42 | Anaral | Right. Is there one anywhere else? |
| 03:32.34 | Arrowmaster | they broke the ude guy though |
| 03:32.54 | Anaral | Bah. Where do you buy the 22 slot bag? |
| 03:32.56 | Arrowmaster | he wouldnt sell me extra pet biscuits |
| 03:33.20 | Ackis | lower city? |
| 03:33.32 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: don't you need to have the code unlocked? |
| 03:33.41 | Arrowmaster | i do have it unlocked |
| 03:34.07 | Arrowmaster | he only gave me 50 and no option to purchase more |
| 03:34.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Where is this supposed SW harbor? |
| 03:34.25 | kd3 | between the park and the cath district |
| 03:34.36 | Anaral | In LK, but yeah, where KD said |
| 03:35.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, okay, that is different |
| 03:35.46 | Ackis | is it on 2.4.3? |
| 03:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha that looks awesome |
| 03:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 03:36.06 | Ackis | nice |
| 03:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | They have multiple boats in the water and wagons suspended over the water |
| 03:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Absolutely filled with explosive |
| 03:36.27 | Anaral | So where in LC do I get the bag? |
| 03:36.36 | kd3 | go find paris hilton |
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| 03:39.47 | kd3 | lua>1200*11 |
| 03:39.47 | lua_bot | kd3: 13200 |
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| 03:39.56 | Anaral | That's cool. |
| 03:41.10 | Anaral | Okay, what is the key function for getting the nickname at the begginning of your message? |
| 03:41.11 | Ackis | 11? |
| 03:41.30 | Anaral | Aye. Four for my mage and druid and 3 for my lock. |
| 03:41.34 | Ackis | ahh |
| 03:41.38 | Ackis | how many bank slots are there again? |
| 03:41.43 | kd3 | 7? |
| 03:41.45 | Anaral | 6 |
| 03:41.55 | Ackis | so 10 bags per toon |
| 03:42.10 | Ackis | lua> 30000 - (10 * 3 * 1200) |
| 03:42.11 | lua_bot | Ackis: -6000 |
| 03:42.18 | Ackis | don't have enough gold :( |
| 03:42.40 | Thunder_Child | hmm..there needs to be a program that will both let me catalogue items then lay out exactly where it is in my house |
| 03:42.52 | Anaral | Wow, they changed the bank skin... or I've just used AI for too long. |
| 03:43.34 | Anaral | Kd3, there are 7 bank slots, but only 6 bags can be replaced. |
| 03:44.14 | Anaral | And it definitly looks like there's now enough room for at least 7 more bag slots. |
| 03:47.30 | Ackis | Anaral: screenie please? |
| 03:52.03 | Anaral | http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7149/wowscrnshot061808235323zk9.jpg |
| 03:53.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Same as live |
| 03:54.01 | Anaral | Really? |
| 03:54.34 | Anaral | It still looks like there's enough room for a row of bags. ;) |
| 03:56.39 | Ackis | ugh @ default ui |
| 03:56.56 | Anaral | Yeah |
| 03:57.10 | Anaral | I haven't transferred my mods over yet. |
| 03:57.18 | Anaral | I'll do that tomorrow. |
| 03:57.20 | Ackis | arl? :P |
| 03:57.32 | Anaral | I'm your biggest fan. :D |
| 03:57.39 | Ackis | go to gadget and get hte spell IDs for the new tailoring patterns ;) |
| 03:58.00 | Anaral | I'm getting the one for the herb bag right now. :p |
| 03:58.04 | Ackis | hot |
| 03:58.58 | Ackis | if you're a coder feel free to suggest improvements btw :P I don't know wtf I'm doing |
| 03:59.37 | Anaral | Lol, if you don't know what you're doing, then I'm completely dumb. ;) I only started playing with lua, seriously, a week ago. :p |
| 03:59.53 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:02.26 | Legorol | I started playing with Lua, due to WoW, before it went into Beta |
| 04:02.41 | Legorol | That was fun, when I heard about Lua in WoW, I was like "what is that?" |
| 04:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe.. http://www.wolaver.org/animals/squirrel.jpg |
| 04:02.54 | Legorol | and discovered that in fact it's in other games too |
| 04:03.01 | Legorol | I did my first Lua coding in Baldur's Gate |
| 04:03.09 | Legorol | it used Lua 3.0 |
| 04:03.12 | Anaral | Flight form feels slower, and I do have my charm on. |
| 04:03.28 | Legorol | I cross-compiled Lua for my mobile phone before WoW hit US open Alpha |
| 04:03.55 | Legorol | Wrote my first "addon" for WoW when it was in US closed beta, begging people on IRC to try it out for me |
| 04:04.08 | Legorol | (no access to WoW during this whole story) |
| 04:04.15 | Legorol | all because I heared that Lua is in WoW |
| 04:04.23 | Legorol | fun times |
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| 04:05.28 | Anaral | Wow, the pattern for the 28 slot herb bag is just 4 primal mooncloth and 2 fel lotus. |
| 04:08.09 | Anaral | Well that's it folks, hubbit is done raiding and it's time for us to sleep. Night night. |
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| 05:04.45 | Thunder_Child | woot-off |
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| 05:55.30 | Thunder_Child | "Many US and Canadian ISPs thought they were under a massive denial of service attack yesterday traffic spiked by hundreds of gigabits across North America. Turns out that the traffic was due to live streaming of the U.S. Open and Tiger Woods nail-biting victory." |
| 05:55.31 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 05:56.41 | Cairenn | not to mention the release of FF3 |
| 05:56.48 | Cairenn | or was that the day before? |
| 05:57.09 | Thunder_Child | monday i think |
| 05:57.14 | Thunder_Child | could be wrong though |
| 05:57.53 | Cairenn | what's really amazing about his game yesterday, though, is the fact that he was playing with a broken leg (and didn't know it) |
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| 05:59.24 | Cairenn | (unless I mis-heard the report, which is entirely possible) |
| 05:59.37 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i really dont follow sports |
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| 06:00.06 | Thunder_Child | hell, i was surprised that i knew that the lakers lost |
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| 06:04.25 | Sixen | So, I bought that WoWProgramming book. |
| 06:04.36 | Sixen | =] |
| 06:05.04 | Cairenn | you won't be sorry |
| 06:05.11 | dylanm | Hell yeah clad|sleep can get that Maserati now. |
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| 06:07.03 | Thunder_Child | except for the part where he has no where to drive it |
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| 06:25.03 | kd3 | whee at woot spamming my rss reader |
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| 07:08.25 | Tekkub | some nights I think my leveling partner is a retard |
| 07:08.40 | Tekkub | we're 62, left off in Zangar with the lpore bastards... |
| 07:08.55 | Tekkub | I log in tonight, he's dead down by Auchindoun... |
| 07:09.19 | Tekkub | "Why you down there?" "Was trying to get to Nagrand" "Why?" "Enchanting supplies" |
| 07:14.47 | Elkano | lulz? |
| 07:15.03 | Tekkub | I don't know... |
| 07:15.46 | krka | i dont get it :( |
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| 07:25.54 | wereHamster | lua> return string.format("%*s", 10, "arst") |
| 07:25.54 | lua_bot | wereHamster: luabot:1: invalid option '%*' to 'format' |
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| 07:31.33 | Tekkub | krka, what "Enchanting materials" do you get in nagrand? at 62? hell anywhere except from DEing random drops? |
| 07:31.46 | Sixen | zzz |
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| 07:55.06 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5017621/woman-who-died-while-watching-tv-sat-unfound-for-42-years |
| 07:55.40 | krka | Tekkub: how should i knolw? |
| 07:55.52 | Tekkub | epic fail :P |
| 07:59.02 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5017595/study-says-gadget-buyers-are-assertive-and-arrogant <-- Agreed |
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| 08:06.54 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: one of the halaa vendors sells green weapons, limited supply |
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| 08:10.29 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, so you see the stupidity in him running down there as a 62 alliance? |
| 08:10.46 | Tekkub | when you can get items off AH to crush for cheaper, and we never own halaa anyway |
| 08:11.13 | Arrowmaster | perty sure the greens from the halaa vendor are much better profit than anything from the AH |
| 08:12.43 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=21485 |
| 08:13.19 | Tekkub | not sure how the thrown ones DE, but the claymore is bordering on the price of cheap weapons on AH |
| 08:13.36 | Arrowmaster | yes the thrown des |
| 08:14.19 | Tekkub | Still, I know him, and I have a sneaky suspicion he WASN'T going to halaa |
| 08:14.30 | Tekkub | especially since he was at AUCHINDOUN |
| 08:15.03 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:16.41 | Drundia | shouldn't be hard to get to halaa as 62 |
| 08:16.50 | Tekkub | for him? |
| 08:17.30 | Drundia | just as 62 |
| 08:17.54 | Tekkub | okey... let me rephrase that... |
| 08:18.08 | Tekkub | he gets on his 70 pally to help me on my then 61 pally... |
| 08:18.28 | Tekkub | I have Salv up, he has Righteous Fury |
| 08:18.52 | Tekkub | we go fight the orcs down below Hellfire Citadel for a quest for me... |
| 08:18.59 | Tekkub | and I TANK EVERY SINGLE ONE |
| 08:19.14 | Tekkub | now, do you think he could get to nagrand on his own at 62? |
| 08:21.25 | Drundia | you don't need to fight anything on the way there really |
| 08:21.43 | Drundia | though it could be hard for him... |
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| 09:35.25 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 09:35.39 | Sixen | Hai2u |
| 09:36.20 | cncfanatics | pew2u |
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| 10:52.08 | Guest729 | HI HOW I CAN CHANGE THE DISPLAY OF WOW |
| 10:52.16 | Guest729 | IN SHAPE |
| 10:52.29 | JoshBorke | well |
| 10:52.31 | JoshBorke | ok |
| 10:52.48 | Pizik_afk | hehe |
| 10:53.13 | wereHamster | no, it's not ok, HE WANTS TO CHANGE THE DISPLAY IN SHAPE OF WOW! |
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| 12:40.39 | Shirik | did anyone else get this chinese email from Lua-L? |
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| 12:41.00 | cncfanatics | lemme check |
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| 12:47.04 | Legorol | Are the PTRs down in US too? |
| 12:49.14 | cncfanatics | Shirik: ni chinese mails from lua-L here |
| 12:54.33 | cncfanatics | any guilds at all recruiting rogues ? (EU) |
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| 12:59.56 | Kalroth | we're recruiting resto shamans! |
| 13:00.20 | Shirik | I'd love to kick our our rogues for someone intelligent |
| 13:00.41 | Shirik | also, CodeAnalyst keeps crashing visual studio, wtfz |
| 13:00.48 | Kalroth | Good luck with that, you'll probably get a warlock instead |
| 13:00.58 | Shirik | is my program too complicated? |
| 13:01.39 | Kalroth | Probably too buggy |
| 13:01.40 | cladhaire | Legorol: the PTR hasn't been brought up yet |
| 13:02.02 | Kalroth | "CodeAnalyst: More than MAX_INT64 errors in code. *BOOM*" |
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| 13:02.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 13:02.47 | Beladona | kd3: ping? |
| 13:06.06 | Mikk | lol... you need phat skillz to squeeze 2^63 errors into a piece of code! |
| 13:06.15 | Mikk | especially considering there's not enough atoms in the universe to squeeze the error into! |
| 13:09.29 | Shirik | actually it's working now, it's a bit strange. I removed the debug database, and it works fine |
| 13:09.39 | Shirik | It even knows where all the symbols are, and matches up the source code, etc. |
| 13:09.53 | Shirik | which.... I thought was the purpose of the debug database |
| 13:10.20 | Shirik | the results don't make sense to me, but at least I get results :P |
| 13:10.37 | Beladona | anyone have the PTR ui files that would be willing to provide them to me? I recently refreshed my OS on my home machine, and forgot to isntall VNC. And I dont have a wow install on this machine |
| 13:10.45 | wereHamster | max_int64 errors? how is that possible? |
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| 13:11.18 | Shirik | I doubt it is :P |
| 13:11.25 | Shirik | Though I've managed to get 9k errors before |
| 13:11.36 | Shirik | but that was because I disabled language extensions and tried to compile Microsoft's header files |
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| 13:18.33 | Mikk | ok my bad |
| 13:18.34 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.46 | Mikk | 10^80 * |
| 13:35.11 | [Liquidor] | yo |
| 13:40.34 | Josh_Borke | mikk: that's a lot of particles |
| 13:40.57 | dylanm | Particle man, particle man. |
| 13:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | They have a fight, triangle wins. |
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| 13:54.15 | [Liquidor] | What's wrong with this? /script for local i=GetNumSavedInstaces(),1,-1 do local x=GetSavedInstanceInfo(i); Ace3:Print(x) end; |
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| 13:58.52 | dylanm | [Liquidor]: Get rid of the "local" before "i=...". |
| 14:00.01 | [Liquidor] | Attempt to call global GetNumSavedInstances (nil value) |
| 14:00.15 | [Liquidor] | is it changed? |
| 14:01.30 | [Liquidor] | hmm |
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| 14:01.54 | [Liquidor] | arh |
| 14:01.59 | [Liquidor] | typo -.- |
| 14:02.08 | dylanm | Yeah. |
| 14:02.34 | Anaral | lol |
| 14:02.43 | [Liquidor] | well i just copied it from wowwiki kek |
| 14:03.11 | Anaral | Typos and case sensitive are a mod authors greatest pain. :p |
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| 14:07.15 | [Liquidor] | any of you saved in any HC? I'm just curious to know whether Coilfang instance names got "Coilfang:" infront or not |
| 14:07.26 | [Liquidor] | if you are use /script for i=GetNumSavedInstances(),1,-1 do local x=GetSavedInstanceInfo(i); Ace3:Print(x) end; to check it out please <3 |
| 14:07.33 | [Liquidor] | cause im not -.- |
| 14:07.35 | [Liquidor] | gay |
| 14:08.33 | Anaral | Ooh, I found the new quest to get Haliscan Brimmed Hat! |
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| 14:12.50 | dylanm | [Liquidor]: http://code.google.com/p/bhraidtracker/source/browse/trunk/BHRaidTracker.lua would seem to indicate yes. |
| 14:18.18 | Anaral | When logging onto the PTR it helps to hit the 'Public Test' button the load screen. >.< |
| 14:23.13 | Anaral | Okay I just copied my SV for my druid over to the PTR WTF folder, but it doesn't actually have all my settings saved. Like for my bags, I use Ark, and they aren't sorted. |
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| 14:25.42 | Anaral | Morning Ackis. |
| 14:25.53 | AckisWork | good morning |
| 14:26.25 | AckisWork | I was able to get the spell ID for the herb bag last night (mmo had the wowhead thing linked) |
| 14:29.45 | Anaral | Aye, I just sent you a pm on Ace with all the info. |
| 14:29.55 | AckisWork | ok ty :) |
| 14:30.23 | Anaral | Though I couldn't actually see the tailoring patterns in Tanaris, the vendor is broken. |
| 14:31.25 | AckisWork | still I can add the info w/ what you've sent me :) |
| 14:31.32 | Anaral | Bah, what's the point of Saved Variables if they don't transfer properly. |
| 14:31.36 | AckisWork | just need to find a way to make sure it's a 2.4.3 patch |
| 14:31.45 | Anaral | heh |
| 14:32.30 | AckisWork | I even looked yesterday and had something but I forgot and left the file at home |
| 14:32.39 | dylanm | Anaral: Uh the profile may be server/character name specific. If ArkInventory has a copying system that may help. |
| 14:32.41 | Anaral | I select to copy Anaral's profile and still get a single frame |
| 14:32.49 | Anaral | It does. |
| 14:32.57 | Anaral | And I have, but it doesn't help. |
| 14:34.04 | Anaral | Okay, well it loaded a profile for the class... which is very outdated, but won't load profiles for specific characters. |
| 14:35.23 | Shirik | Is C# always managed? |
| 14:35.40 | Shirik | or can it be compiled to unmanaged code as well? |
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| 14:42.49 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.29 | Unregistered0000 | hello |
| 14:47.12 | Seerah | hi |
| 14:47.23 | Unregistered0000 | l have a question |
| 14:47.34 | Seerah | just ask it :) |
| 14:47.41 | Seerah | ~asktoask |
| 14:47.42 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 14:48.11 | Unregistered0000 | is there an addon that allows you to search where is what item dropped ? like l'd like to search in game where l can find crusader enchant formula or something like that |
| 14:48.31 | Seerah | are you talking just recipes, or everything? |
| 14:49.02 | Unregistered0000 | mostly recipes |
| 14:50.06 | Seerah | AtlasLoot covers everything that's dropped in instances, badge loot, etc. It has a search box. But it doesn't count world drops. There are addons that are recipe databases, though I'm horrible at recalling which does what... |
| 14:50.19 | Anaral | Ackis Recipe List |
| 14:50.25 | Seerah | thanks, I was just going to ask him |
| 14:50.53 | Unregistered0000 | l tried atlasloot, l inserted in querry the ful litem name and it says "nothing found" |
| 14:50.56 | Anaral | It'll show you all the recipes you don't have for a given craft and tell you where you get it. |
| 14:51.03 | Arrowmaster | crusader enchatn forumla comes from the mages in hearthglen i think |
| 14:51.13 | Seerah | Atlas Loot's search requires it to be an exact match, iirc |
| 14:51.14 | Arrowmaster | which isnt an instance |
| 14:51.44 | Unregistered0000 | l also tried other enchants but couldn't find them |
| 14:51.50 | Seerah | yes, Arrowmaster ;) There are tons of drops that aren't from instances |
| 14:52.02 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=16252 |
| 14:52.06 | Unregistered0000 | l found a formula drop in the database and when l written it down it still said "nothing found" |
| 14:52.07 | Seerah | Try ARL |
| 14:52.12 | Anaral | Unregistered, try Akis Recipe List!!! |
| 14:52.27 | Anaral | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11798.0 |
| 14:52.34 | Anaral | There's the forum thread for ARL |
| 14:52.48 | Arrowmaster | since when has it droped from archmages in EPL? |
| 14:52.49 | Arrowmaster | thats new |
| 14:52.51 | AckisWork | ~arl |
| 14:52.51 | purl | rumour has it, arl is a poorly named add-on (8% lame), 94% dry-coded developed by Ackis. Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however. |
| 14:53.03 | Anaral | It's the Archmages in WPL |
| 14:53.15 | Arrowmaster | spellbinders in WPL |
| 14:53.19 | Anaral | And where to get them |
| 14:53.22 | Arrowmaster | look at wowdb link i posted |
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| 14:53.39 | Anaral | spellbinders, archmages, whatever. |
| 14:53.43 | Anaral | :p |
| 14:53.49 | Arrowmaster | drop sin tyrs hand now it seems |
| 14:53.50 | Arrowmaster | thats new |
| 14:55.12 | Unregistered0000 | l'll check it now, thanks guys ;] |
| 14:55.13 | Anaral | New as of TBC 2.0 patch... it would seem. |
| 14:55.28 | Arrowmaster | the ones in EPL are elite mobs though |
| 14:55.38 | Anaral | Not since 2.3 |
| 14:56.01 | Unregistered0000 | elite ? |
| 14:56.05 | Unregistered0000 | sounds fun |
| 14:56.14 | Fisker- | so kd3 |
| 14:56.15 | Fisker- | magelo |
| 14:56.17 | Anaral | The archmages are no longer elite |
| 14:56.25 | Unregistered0000 | since blizz has been degradin elites to normal mobs now |
| 14:56.40 | Unregistered0000 | aw man |
| 14:56.47 | Unregistered0000 | another mob group degraded |
| 14:57.00 | Unregistered0000 | blizz sux |
| 14:57.04 | AckisWork | Anaral: 2.4.3 tailoring patterns added, thanks |
| 14:57.41 | Unregistered0000 | well at least azshara still has elite dragons |
| 14:57.48 | Anaral | Heh |
| 14:57.56 | Unregistered0000 | if they are gone l'm gone too |
| 14:58.22 | Seerah | purl: arl is a poorly named add-on (8% lame), 94% dry-coded developed by Ackis. Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however, and where to get them |
| 14:58.22 | purl | ...but arl is already something else... |
| 14:58.47 | Seerah | no purl: arl is a poorly named add-on (8% lame), 94% dry-coded developed by Ackis. Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however, and where to get the |
| 14:58.55 | Anaral | Seerah are you broken? |
| 14:58.57 | Seerah | sigh..... |
| 14:59.09 | Unregistered0000 | spamming outside wow ? O_- |
| 14:59.15 | Seerah | I was attempting to change the response :P |
| 14:59.24 | AckisWork | purl, no, arl is a poorly named add-on (8% lame), 94% dry-coded developed by Ackis. Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however, and where to get them |
| 14:59.24 | purl | AckisWork: okay |
| 14:59.33 | Seerah | thank, Ackis. me == fail |
| 14:59.42 | Anaral | And okay, the Path of Illidan and SoulTrader Beacon is cool! |
| 14:59.44 | Josh_Borke | what was arl? |
| 14:59.48 | AckisWork | ~arl |
| 14:59.49 | purl | it has been said that arl is a poorly named add-on (8% lame), 94% dry-coded developed by Ackis. Will tell you what recipes/beast skills you're missing however, and where to get them |
| 14:59.51 | Anaral | Ackis Recipe List |
| 15:00.07 | Josh_Borke | no, before you changed it |
| 15:00.16 | Seerah | added the "and where to get them" |
| 15:00.18 | AckisWork | just added the "and where to get them" |
| 15:00.58 | Unregistered0000 | l also read about the lvl 30 mounts and was like "WTF?" |
| 15:01.16 | Seerah | 30? |
| 15:01.21 | Unregistered0000 | ye |
| 15:01.25 | Anaral | I so want the Soul-Trader on live. :( |
| 15:01.27 | Unregistered0000 | they gonan lower the lvl req |
| 15:01.32 | Anaral | Yep 30. |
| 15:01.34 | Seerah | -.- |
| 15:01.38 | Unregistered0000 | now get this |
| 15:01.49 | Anaral | Now no benefit of travel form. :( |
| 15:01.56 | Unregistered0000 | players with mont at 30 means they are gonna go explore other areas they can't handle |
| 15:02.16 | Unregistered0000 | then the ywill whine about this |
| 15:02.19 | [Liquidor] | what's wrong with this simple thing? -.- http://www.pastey.net/89724 |
| 15:02.23 | Unregistered0000 | then the mobs get degraded |
| 15:02.25 | Seerah | would they lower travel form to 20, I wonder? |
| 15:02.28 | AckisWork | Anaral: how many items can you buy? |
| 15:02.34 | Seerah | ghost wolf is 20, blink is 20 |
| 15:02.39 | Seerah | aspect of the cheetah is 20 |
| 15:02.46 | Seerah | 20-ish at least |
| 15:02.47 | Unregistered0000 | l have ghost wolf |
| 15:02.55 | Unregistered0000 | havent used it since lvl 25 |
| 15:03.06 | Anaral | You can but the Soul-Trader's set which is a 6 piece set and then there are four fun potions. |
| 15:03.23 | Anaral | Including Ethereal Mutagen which will change your pet. |
| 15:03.23 | Unregistered0000 | once you get astral recall most of travel forms untill you get flying mount are useless |
| 15:03.53 | AckisWork | what does it change it to? |
| 15:04.11 | Anaral | I don't know, I don't have any Etheral Credits yet. |
| 15:04.13 | Unregistered0000 | grows like hell |
| 15:04.15 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:04.28 | AckisWork | it's like the pet biscuit? |
| 15:04.49 | Unregistered0000 | dunno didn't play my hunter in like 14 monts |
| 15:05.31 | Anaral | We'll find out. I'm going to go a killing for some Ethereal Credits. |
| 15:06.20 | Unregistered0000 | and anaral, ye, a lot of druids started crying about travel form, but your cat form is faster than travel form with talents right ? |
| 15:06.32 | Anaral | No |
| 15:06.49 | Unregistered0000 | anyways |
| 15:07.02 | Unregistered0000 | all that lvl 30 mount is a sick idea |
| 15:07.17 | Anaral | With talents it only increases speed by 30%, travel form is 40% |
| 15:07.33 | Unregistered0000 | ghost wolf is 30% all the time :P |
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| 15:08.05 | Unregistered0000 | oh chanserv is still in use ? cool l love that bot ;] |
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| 15:08.57 | Unregistered0000 | same old slap ;] |
| 15:09.14 | Unregistered0000 | does it have hide counter ? |
| 15:09.28 | Unregistered0000 | meh |
| 15:09.29 | Anaral | Eww, it's a credit per kill. Must find something to AoE. |
| 15:09.30 | Unregistered0000 | no fun |
| 15:10.01 | Shirik | That sucks Tain :( |
| 15:10.08 | Kaso | http://englishrussia.com/?p=1949#more-1949 |
| 15:10.11 | Shirik | I have a sudden lack of interest in learning C# again |
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| 15:11.00 | Unregistered0000 | l remember chanserv doing something like that on hide command "/me hides- ChanServ splashes /me in boiling water" or something like that |
| 15:11.59 | Anaral | Hmm, Ethereal Credits take up a bag slot, but they don't specify their stack size. |
| 15:12.50 | AckisWork | they give me a new 22 slotter bag, but then add 5 new tabbards and 3 new loot things... which opens up a vendor which I can use up 8 more inventory spots |
| 15:13.09 | Anaral | 10 |
| 15:13.12 | AckisWork | plus a new pet |
| 15:13.20 | Anaral | 11, if you count the credits. |
| 15:13.25 | AckisWork | :( |
| 15:13.45 | AckisWork | they need to make a mini-pet thing like the key ring |
| 15:13.48 | AckisWork | and one for mounts too |
| 15:13.50 | Fisker- | btw |
| 15:13.53 | Anaral | Lol |
| 15:13.58 | Fisker- | teh european community team answered about magelo |
| 15:14.06 | Cide | Unregistered0000: fix your name please |
| 15:14.07 | Fisker- | said they'd run it through their lawyers :P |
| 15:14.10 | durcyn | mini-pet storage has been mentioned for 2.5 or 3.x, Ackis |
| 15:14.22 | Unregistered0000 | whatever Blizzard makes to improve gameplay they also add something to spoil it at the same time ;] |
| 15:14.25 | Anaral | Euro is under different laws. |
| 15:14.32 | Cide | Unregistered0000: no they don't |
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| 15:14.34 | AckisWork | durcyn: those are bags aren't they? I don't want to waste a bag slot for mini-pets, I want a key chain thingy |
| 15:14.34 | Cide | now fix your nick |
| 15:14.49 | Unregistered0000 | it's temporary |
| 15:14.57 | Fisker- | do they also have the new server/local time change for 2.4.3? |
| 15:15.03 | Unregistered0001 | hi |
| 15:15.03 | Anaral | Unregistered just type /nick Yourname |
| 15:15.11 | Cide | I don't really care whether it's temporary or permanent |
| 15:15.13 | Cide | it's annoying |
| 15:15.14 | Anaral | Yes |
| 15:15.19 | Anaral | To Fisker |
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| 15:15.45 | Unregistered0000 | doesn't work |
| 15:15.50 | Shirik | I could just go back to +R |
| 15:15.52 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 15:16.13 | Cide | that wasn't very difficult |
| 15:16.16 | Fanatos | my old nick has been taken :P |
| 15:16.19 | Fisker- | btw cog|work baww |
| 15:16.22 | Fisker- | you read it |
| 15:16.44 | Josh_Borke | someone should really draw a cartoon of what a paladin would look like with all of her bags full of plate armor |
| 15:16.45 | cog|work | bwuh? |
| 15:16.52 | Anaral | Well the port being built is a bit buggy, but interesting. |
| 15:16.54 | Josh_Borke | or a hunter with his bags full of weapons and armor |
| 15:16.56 | Fisker- | eu said they'd run it through their legal team with magelo :P |
| 15:17.03 | Fanatos | lol l think it would be great :D |
| 15:17.05 | Fisker- | probably an idea to do that beforehand :P |
| 15:17.12 | Arrowmaster | eu ~= us |
| 15:17.24 | Arrowmaster | even if eu allows it, it can still be banable in the us |
| 15:17.27 | Fisker- | Blizzard = Blizzard |
| 15:17.51 | Josh_Borke | ~comfort cladhaire |
| 15:17.51 | purl | There, there, cladhaire. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:17.51 | Fisker- | FYI there's no arguable difference between both EULA's/ToS' afaik |
| 15:17.58 | Fanatos | l'm using magelo |
| 15:18.16 | cog|work | Fisker-: but there is an arguable difference between the laws |
| 15:18.18 | Fisker- | The only thing is that support team is pretty "bad" |
| 15:18.33 | Fisker- | that's pretty irrelevant |
| 15:18.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 15:18.41 | Fisker- | yes |
| 15:18.44 | Fisker- | they can still ban them for whatever reason they want |
| 15:18.45 | cog|work | knowing the eu, blizzard may not have the right to enforce certain clauses of the tou |
| 15:19.04 | Fanatos | you know |
| 15:19.31 | Fanatos | blizzards policy is in conflict with their rights laws, thus blizz is incompetent |
| 15:19.44 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 15:19.48 | Shirik | Fanatos: if you register your nick, you don't have to worry about someone else taking it |
| 15:20.00 | Fisker- | The EU site also prohibits datamining from the site |
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| 15:20.09 | Fanatos | done that a few times, but, l don't care |
| 15:20.11 | Shirik | furthermore, Blizzard doesn't have to uphold their rights |
| 15:20.20 | Shirik | it's up to them what they want done and what they don't want done |
| 15:20.30 | Shirik | just because they're protected under the law doesn't mean they're obligated to use that protection |
| 15:20.33 | Fisker- | Oddly enough they do want to show up on google :P |
| 15:20.33 | Legorol | what is magelo? |
| 15:20.45 | Anaral | Boo, you have to kill things that would give experience to get Ethereal Credits. |
| 15:20.46 | Fisker- | ass and fail Legorol |
| 15:20.55 | Fisker- | i.e. a profiler that scans WoW's memory for your character info |
| 15:20.57 | Fanatos | you know |
| 15:21.09 | Fanatos | if the ywanted to the ywould fix the goldspammers problem |
| 15:21.11 | Legorol | why is it such a big deal? |
| 15:21.26 | Fisker- | shennanigans |
| 15:21.36 | Legorol | Fanatos: I think that's a naive statement. |
| 15:21.43 | Fisker- | agreed |
| 15:21.45 | Fisker- | well |
| 15:21.46 | Arrowmaster | because people are bitching about it on the forums saying it should be allowed when it clearly violates the ToS |
| 15:21.49 | Shirik | You know what Fanatos, I think that's enough bashing Blizzard without any justification or knowledge of what's behind the scenes |
| 15:21.56 | Fanatos | naive ? they don't want to fix that problem |
| 15:21.56 | Anaral | Because people are bored and want something for hand waving freakoutery fun. |
| 15:21.57 | Legorol | For starters, goldspammer problem is harder to fix than most people think, without impacting normal users. |
| 15:21.57 | Fisker- | they could disable trial accounts and it would be somewhat blocked |
| 15:22.03 | Fisker- | but obviously they want to have new customers |
| 15:22.12 | Legorol | Then add to that that even Blizz doesn't have unlimited time/resources. |
| 15:22.26 | Legorol | Fanatos: you sound like a conspiracy theorist. |
| 15:22.32 | Fanatos | doh, they make 8 milions $ a week |
| 15:22.32 | durcyn | everyone should install BadBoy imo |
| 15:22.33 | Legorol | How would you know what Blizzard does or does not want? |
| 15:22.38 | Arrowmaster | no they dont |
| 15:22.42 | Legorol | Fanatos: ok i'm afraid you lost all credibility with me. |
| 15:22.46 | Legorol | Income =/= profit. |
| 15:22.52 | Fisker- | Legorol i know because they've already said so before |
| 15:23.09 | Arrowmaster | and half the wow players are in asia which doesnt use the monthly payment system |
| 15:23.19 | Legorol | As soon as you make any argument based on Blizzard's income, I stop listening, sorry. |
| 15:23.29 | Fanatos | meh |
| 15:23.32 | Fanatos | l care little |
| 15:23.35 | Fisker- | I'm not making an argument |
| 15:23.40 | Fisker- | as i don't care |
| 15:23.46 | Fisker- | I'm just saying that's how it is |
| 15:23.48 | Fanatos | my only problem is the lack of challange in the game, and l CBA to PVP :P |
| 15:23.50 | Legorol | Fisker-: i'm arguing with Fanatos, not you :) |
| 15:23.53 | Fisker- | oh |
| 15:23.54 | Fisker- | :o |
| 15:24.18 | Legorol | All my lines were directed at Fanatos :D |
| 15:24.27 | Anaral | There being a lack of challenge isn't always the developers fault. |
| 15:24.32 | Fanatos | center of attention lol |
| 15:24.49 | Legorol | Fanatos: if you don't like the game, don't play it. Simple as that. Stop wasting our time in that case. |
| 15:25.06 | Anaral | Exactly. |
| 15:25.10 | Fanatos | my fee is for one more month |
| 15:25.28 | Fanatos | l like the game, but with no elites, it became somewhat boring |
| 15:25.39 | Seerah | there are still elites |
| 15:25.45 | Arrowmaster | no elites? do you only solo or something? |
| 15:25.48 | Tem|work | Fisker-, trial accounts are extremely limited |
| 15:26.03 | Tem|work | they can't use spacial speach at all |
| 15:26.06 | Seerah | even out in the world there are still elites |
| 15:26.16 | Seerah | just not as many, as Blizz wanted to make it easier to level |
| 15:26.23 | Tem|work | and they can't send whispers to players that they aren't mutual friends with |
| 15:26.29 | Fanatos | compared to how many they were before now they are extict :P |
| 15:27.24 | Shirik | so to vent your anger of spending hundreds of dollars, you decided to come here and bash Blizzard for any little thing you can nibble on |
| 15:27.28 | Shirik | yeah? |
| 15:27.40 | Fanatos | nah |
| 15:27.51 | Fanatos | l wasn't the one who started talking about blizz ;] |
| 15:28.05 | Seerah | extince =/= endangered |
| 15:28.09 | Seerah | *extinct even |
| 15:28.24 | Shirik | no, but you're the one who started bashing them |
| 15:28.32 | Shirik | you do realize this channel is geared towards wow, right? |
| 15:28.45 | Legorol | About goldspammers: as long as players are able to talk, so can gold goldspammers. End of story really. |
| 15:28.48 | Shirik | i.e., Blizzard is discussed rather frequently? |
| 15:28.55 | Legorol | They will get paid accounts if needed. |
| 15:29.06 | Arrowmaster | they do get paid accounts |
| 15:29.07 | Legorol | Only way to completely squelch goldspammers is to squelch all players. Which is clearly not possible. |
| 15:29.13 | Arrowmaster | lots of spam is from keylogged accounts |
| 15:29.30 | Legorol | How nice |
| 15:30.09 | Arrowmaster | i think they maybe implementing some sorta passcode system to login to a character where you have to click numbers on a virtual keypad |
| 15:30.24 | [Liquidor] | what's wrong with this simple thing? -.- http://www.pastey.net/89724 HCSEvent is never called |
| 15:30.26 | Arrowmaster | saw some gluexml changes that hinted towards it |
| 15:30.35 | Fisker- | old old old |
| 15:30.36 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: That has been brought up as a suggestion before, plus as a rumour. |
| 15:30.39 | Fisker- | stop stealing my info ;_; |
| 15:30.50 | Legorol | It's a good idea, and I'd welcome such a change. |
| 15:31.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah requium has something like it |
| 15:31.08 | Fanatos | they won't do it |
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| 15:31.17 | Fisker- | they already did it |
| 15:31.30 | AckisWork | ~lart ackis- |
| 15:31.30 | purl | resizes ackis-'s terminal to 40x24 |
| 15:31.35 | Fanatos | players buy gold > players play > more players com in > blizzard happy |
| 15:31.43 | Arrowmaster | every time you click a button it randomizes the layout |
| 15:31.48 | Legorol | Fanatos: can you please stop your conspiracy theories which are based on your own guesswork. |
| 15:31.53 | Legorol | It's annoying. |
| 15:31.58 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck buys gold, its easy as hell to get |
| 15:32.03 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 15:32.10 | Anaral | Heh |
| 15:32.15 | Fanatos | lazy ppl ? |
| 15:32.18 | Arrowmaster | and nobody, even those that buy gold, like gold spammers |
| 15:32.29 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: sadly that i have to disagree with. |
| 15:32.31 | Shirik | Fanatos: I've already given you a warning to stop. I don't usually give second chances. |
| 15:32.42 | Fisker- | "lazy ppl"? |
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| 15:32.46 | Shirik | no |
| 15:32.49 | Legorol | I have heard first-hand accounts of guilds where younger members were openly discussing the spam adverts and comparing prices. |
| 15:32.49 | Shirik | the statement before that |
| 15:32.59 | Fisker- | Yeah cause making real life money that you could earn by having fun in a game is "lazy" |
| 15:33.36 | Legorol | [Liquidor]: the problem with that snippet is ordering. |
| 15:33.47 | Legorol | On line 2, HCSEvent is still nil. You haven't defined it yet. |
| 15:34.21 | Legorol | [Liquidor]: what you are doing amounts to this snippet: http://www.pastey.net/89726 |
| 15:34.32 | Seerah | I have my eye in here, too ;) |
| 15:34.35 | Legorol | You wouldn't expect "a" to be 2 in that snippet, would you? |
| 15:35.37 | cog|work | /tinfoilhat imo |
| 15:35.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@217.153.240.27.pentex.pl] by Shirik |
| 15:35.38 | Arrowmaster | boo, i created a gametrailers.com account hoping i wouldnt have to input my birthdate every time i wanted to look at a mgs4 vid but even with an account i do |
| 15:35.50 | Fisker- | OMG SHIRIK |
| 15:35.53 | Anaral | The server keeps lag spiking every time the ethereal makes an Ethereal Credit |
| 15:35.57 | Fisker- | STOP OPPRESSING MY FREEDOM IS SPEECH |
| 15:36.04 | Shirik | ~kill Fisker- |
| 15:36.05 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudophoton gun at Fisker- |
| 15:36.09 | Fisker- | THIS ISN'T SOME PRIVATE NETWORK IN WHICH I DON'T POSSESS THESE RIGHTS |
| 15:36.12 | Fisker- | LEAVE ME ALONE |
| 15:36.13 | Seerah | s/is/of/ |
| 15:36.27 | Fisker- | of course |
| 15:36.31 | Fisker- | i was caught up in the moment |
| 15:36.34 | Shirik | :) |
| 15:36.43 | Seerah | I could tell :) your caps-lock was stuck, too |
| 15:36.57 | Seerah | might want to stop pouring juice on your keyboard |
| 15:36.59 | Fisker- | i just found that quit amusing :P |
| 15:37.06 | Fisker- | also it was milkshake :o |
| 15:37.09 | Seerah | ahh |
| 15:37.10 | Seerah | my bad |
| 15:37.44 | Tain | Blizzard may not like it but gold sellers and leveling services do cause more subscriptions to be paid to them. |
| 15:37.44 | Legorol | Commenting =/= conspiracy theory. How charming. |
| 15:38.08 | ckknight | =/= â â |
| 15:38.16 | Legorol | ckknight: i'm lazy |
| 15:38.17 | Fisker- | in the end i think you're splitting some pretty small hair when trying to do the money argument |
| 15:38.18 | Legorol | Tain: I don't think you can even say that for sure. |
| 15:38.27 | Fisker- | s/hair/hairs/ |
| 15:38.41 | Seerah | don't worry, Legarol. If you scroll up, you'll see me typing =/=, too :P |
| 15:38.42 | ckknight | you can't assume credit |
| 15:38.44 | durcyn | =/= == != obviously, ckknight. |
| 15:38.46 | Legorol | Only Blizzard knows how many extra subcribers they get thanks to goldsell/pleveling, and how many they lose due to frustrated players. |
| 15:38.50 | Shirik | ow, durcyn |
| 15:38.53 | Tain | My opinion is that they cause more players to play the game, or to continue to play the game. |
| 15:38.54 | Legorol | Even Blizz doesn't know exactly. |
| 15:39.00 | Legorol | So we definitely can't make statements about it. |
| 15:39.01 | ckknight | durcyn: != â ~= |
| 15:39.03 | ckknight | :-P |
| 15:39.05 | Fisker- | not to mention the support hours used at recovering hacked accounts |
| 15:39.13 | durcyn | i don't know, my brain hurts now. |
| 15:39.14 | Anaral | Okay who wants to make me an addon that tracks Ethereal Credits? |
| 15:39.16 | Anaral | Lol |
| 15:39.23 | Fisker- | what's that? |
| 15:39.39 | Legorol | Tain: your opinion is duly noted. I tend to agree with that opinion. |
| 15:39.45 | Anaral | They're the currency of the Ethereal Soul-trader |
| 15:39.49 | AckisWork | Ackis Credits Ethereal version 4 (ACE4) |
| 15:39.52 | Fisker- | ah |
| 15:39.54 | AckisWork | damn I'm good |
| 15:39.55 | Fisker- | 2.4.3 stuff? |
| 15:39.58 | Legorol | However, I am also of the opinion that Blizzard isn't the heartless/soulless money-grabbing organisation most people make it out to be. |
| 15:40.00 | Anaral | Aye |
| 15:40.18 | Fisker- | info tiems? |
| 15:40.21 | Legorol | So I'm of the opinion that despite the extra subscribers, they are trying whatever they can to fight gold sellers, spammers and power levelers. |
| 15:40.34 | Tain | That's a whole other issue, Legorol. |
| 15:40.55 | Legorol | There is more at stake than short-term income. |
| 15:41.03 | Tain | I'd disagree with that. |
| 15:41.09 | Legorol | ok |
| 15:41.12 | Tain | Well, depending on your definition of short term. |
| 15:41.27 | Legorol | Short-term: what you get as subscription fees in WoW over the next year. |
| 15:41.45 | Anaral | Fisker-: http://www.wowhead.com/?latest=additions |
| 15:41.49 | Legorol | Long-term: brand image |
| 15:42.10 | Anaral | The items with Ethereal/ium in the title are from the vendor as is the misc-armor |
| 15:42.50 | Fisker- | bah |
| 15:43.05 | Fisker- | that's kinda lame to have such an elaborate tcg-loot |
| 15:43.09 | Tain | WoW as an entity has a life span of its own. It won't last forever. So there is some aspect of getting what you can out of it, when you can. |
| 15:43.23 | Bibi` | it's awesome tbh Fisker- |
| 15:43.29 | Bibi` | Make a TCG card ultra rare |
| 15:43.35 | Bibi` | and when you're lucky enough to get it |
| 15:43.40 | Bibi` | you still have to grind 2000 mobs to get all your rewards. |
| 15:43.59 | Legorol | Tain: I agree that that matters too. |
| 15:44.07 | Fisker- | only 2000 mobs? |
| 15:44.11 | Shirik | lies Tain |
| 15:44.14 | Fisker- | That's like 2 consecration pulls |
| 15:44.14 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 15:44.19 | Shirik | 2000 years from now, archeologists will find wow |
| 15:44.29 | Shirik | and try to figure out this religion that we were practicing |
| 15:44.40 | Legorol | My general impression of Blizzard as a corporate entity, and the people that tend to make decisions is that they are gamers at heart, and it's one of the few companies that doesn't let pure business decisions drive design. |
| 15:44.41 | Fisker- | tf2tiems soon though |
| 15:45.00 | Tain | They'll probably think WoW was a descendant of self-flagellation cults. |
| 15:45.07 | Fisker- | anyways Bibi` |
| 15:45.09 | Fisker- | diablo 3 |
| 15:45.11 | Fisker- | 8 days |
| 15:45.17 | Fisker- | 8½ |
| 15:45.20 | Legorol | what? |
| 15:45.23 | Legorol | Diablo 3? |
| 15:45.24 | Arrowmaster | i sense something wrong with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38300 what is it even for |
| 15:45.41 | Fisker- | gonna be awesum |
| 15:45.41 | AckisWork | hellgate london > diablo 3! |
| 15:45.41 | Legorol | Has it been announced? |
| 15:45.42 | Fisker- | hah Ackis- |
| 15:45.42 | Mikk | Legorol: yeah but they also get decision handed down to them from vivendi from time to time |
| 15:45.42 | Fisker- | nah Legorol |
| 15:45.42 | Fisker- | but i think it will |
| 15:45.48 | Mikk | and vivendi are a bunch of really stupid money-hungry assholes |
| 15:45.50 | Fisker- | xfire leaked that there would be a game announcement |
| 15:45.56 | Tain | Hellgate London was one of the most disappointing games in years for me. I thought it was going to be fun. |
| 15:45.57 | Legorol | Mikk: I don't think we know how much or how little Vivendi gets involved. |
| 15:46.08 | Legorol | Unless you work for either company, you can't know at all, imo. |
| 15:46.12 | Fisker- | and out of all days Blizzard took control of diablo3.com yesterday |
| 15:46.18 | Mikk | firing the whole dev squad right before going gold sounds very un-blizzard to me |
| 15:46.32 | AckisWork | ps: I'm looking for the hellgate london code from PC Game in December and the AoC code from a recent PC Game if you want to help me out/offer it to me in a PM for paypal :P |
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| 15:46.55 | Tain | The code is 1234. |
| 15:47.06 | Legorol | Mikk: i'd lvoe it if you elaborated on that. Gold of classic WoW? Whole dev squad? |
| 15:47.11 | AckisWork | you tease |
| 15:47.18 | Legorol | There are devs at Blizzard that have been there way before WoW. |
| 15:47.24 | Mikk | ok my bad |
| 15:47.30 | Legorol | So at the very least the "whole" adjective is erroneous. |
| 15:48.06 | Legorol | I am aware that several WoW devs have left at some point around the launch of WoW, don't know if it was before or after, and I don't know how many. |
| 15:48.10 | Legorol | You can enlighten me :) |
| 15:48.11 | Fisker- | only firing i've known about is the blizzard north ones |
| 15:48.20 | Mikk | it was just my understanding that several devs got the boot somewhere around beta times, and that much of the buggy hilarity that ensued was because of that |
| 15:48.21 | Fisker- | and as far as i know they were actually offered to relocate |
| 15:48.39 | Legorol | Mikk: sounds to me like one of those unsubstantiated rumours floating around. |
| 15:48.43 | Mikk | but i'll grant you that that's second-hand speculation |
| 15:48.49 | Mikk | yeah i should know better shouldnt i :o) |
| 15:48.49 | Legorol | Also, it'd be nice if we would clarify what type of "dev" we are talking about. |
| 15:48.57 | Mikk | but it's so tasty to lay shit on vivendi's doorstep |
| 15:49.02 | Mikk | especially after they canned farscape |
| 15:49.02 | Mikk | ! |
| 15:49.03 | Legorol | The term "dev" is thrown around a lot, but there are artists, designers, coders etc. |
| 15:49.08 | Tain | I heard the devs were all fired for using Cosmos. |
| 15:49.17 | Legorol | lol Tain |
| 15:49.34 | Fisker- | nah |
| 15:49.38 | Fisker- | they hired cosmos guys :( |
| 15:49.46 | Legorol | That they did, I know that for sure :D |
| 15:49.55 | Mikk | also true lego... there would by necessity be a bunch of project hires for all of the initial world creation |
| 15:49.58 | Legorol | But much later than launch |
| 15:50.33 | Mikk | stop stomping on my vivendi shit slinging though! |
| 15:50.42 | Legorol | Mikk: the way i heard the rumours, there weren't any firings, but many people left (voluntarily) because there weren't happy with the direction things were going in. |
| 15:50.53 | Legorol | oh, you can sling shit at vivendi |
| 15:51.00 | Legorol | I'm only a Blizz fanboi, not a Vivendi one :D |
| 15:51.07 | Anaral | Bibi`: RE the 2000 credits. While I haven't tested this. I would imagine a Kara raid and maybe an instance or two would get you 2000 credits easily. |
| 15:51.33 | AckisWork | Anaral: wow you have to raid to get the tcg items!?!?! /whines about casuals |
| 15:51.45 | Anaral | No you don't |
| 15:51.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont think you would get 2000 kills from taht |
| 15:51.53 | Mikk | canning the final season of farscape = they've earned a permanent slot on my shitlist :P |
| 15:52.53 | Anaral | You get an Ethereal Credit per kill that yeilds exp (not sure if you get one for pvp kills), the credits are the currency used to get the items off of the tcg companion. |
| 15:53.31 | AckisWork | Anaral: are the 22 slot bags unique? |
| 15:53.42 | Anaral | So far, no. |
| 15:53.49 | AckisWork | hmm |
| 15:53.56 | AckisWork | and they aren't reputation based right? |
| 15:54.01 | Anaral | Correct |
| 15:54.13 | Fisker- | i wouldn't buy them anyways |
| 15:54.20 | [Liquidor] | Legorol, thanks. Makes sence (I'm just affected by the event registration within Ace :) |
| 15:54.23 | Fisker- | 13k for 22 more slots |
| 15:54.27 | AckisWork | so 12k gold to upgrade my priest to 22 slot bages? |
| 15:54.27 | Fisker- | and wotlk is out "soon" |
| 15:54.53 | Anaral | Heh, yeah |
| 15:55.15 | Matrix110| | 22bag slots are not worth it for the bank |
| 15:55.20 | Fisker- | even admitted that they're there just to make people spend the money they've earned so much of |
| 15:55.22 | AckisWork | lua> 30000 - (10 * 1200 + 4 * 1200 + 4 * 1200) |
| 15:55.22 | lua_bot | AckisWork: 8400 |
| 15:55.23 | Matrix110| | only for the inventory |
| 15:55.31 | AckisWork | hmm |
| 15:55.49 | AckisWork | maybe I do dailies again then to earn more gold |
| 15:55.53 | Anaral | lol |
| 15:55.55 | Fisker- | what do you need 18 bags for? |
| 15:55.59 | Matrix110| | Guild Bank is cheaper than putting these banks inside tbh :P |
| 15:56.12 | Arrowmaster | lol guild bank |
| 15:56.12 | AckisWork | my main (on the toon and in the bank), and my two 70 alts |
| 15:56.24 | Legorol | [Liquidor]: i don't know how event registration in Ace works at all. But there is a difference between registering something by name (in other words, supplying a string as an argument to the registration), and something by reference. |
| 15:56.24 | AckisWork | my bank alt has a guild bank w/ 3 tabs right now :P |
| 15:56.26 | Fisker- | isn't it 7 bank slots and 4 bag slots? |
| 15:56.27 | Arrowmaster | my entire bank and inventory is full of BoP stuff |
| 15:56.39 | Legorol | If you supply a string, it's possible to define the function later as a global function and it can still be called correctly. |
| 15:56.43 | Matrix110| | well then you need to start sorting out |
| 15:56.55 | Matrix110| | I dissed every epic I had |
| 15:56.58 | Anaral | I think for now, I'm going to only upgrade my 18 slot bags. I spent a good month making 20 slot bags for my three 70s. |
| 15:57.00 | Matrix110| | all S1/S2 crap aswell |
| 15:57.04 | Matrix110| | (destroyed that) |
| 15:57.11 | ckknight | Legorol: namespaced method, not global function |
| 15:57.19 | Arrowmaster | fuck that im not distorying my T1 and T2 |
| 15:57.29 | Matrix110| | I did that aswell |
| 15:57.45 | Matrix110| | Netherwind gave me precious NExus Crystals for LPS :D |
| 15:57.45 | durcyn | there comes a time when you just have to shard some stuff, Arrowmaster |
| 15:57.53 | Legorol | ckknight: i did say i don't know how Ace works. I was giving an example. |
| 15:58.00 | Matrix110| | T3 had to go aswell |
| 15:58.00 | wereHamster | does anyone know an Intel Atom mainboard with DVI/HDMI output, preferably fanless? |
| 15:58.27 | Matrix110| | they cant play HD stuff so /care |
| 15:58.27 | Matrix110| | :D |
| 15:59.05 | Arrowmaster | ah good i have the rep needed for this 28 slot herb bag pattern, as soon as 2.4.3 goes live ill still have every bag pattern in the game |
| 15:59.16 | Mikk | ckknight: yeah but _G is still a table :o) |
| 15:59.17 | durcyn | it's just revered, no? |
| 15:59.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah, im exalted |
| 15:59.50 | AckisWork | I have my full T0.5 still :P I'm not getting rid of it |
| 15:59.52 | Legorol | You guys are making this more complicated than it is. |
| 15:59.56 | ckknight | Mikk: you'd have to specify _G, in that case |
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| 16:00.01 | Legorol | You supply a string -> possible to define the function later. |
| 16:00.05 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: do you know how many tailoring patterns you're missing? :P |
| 16:00.08 | Legorol | You supply a reference -> function has to exist already. |
| 16:00.11 | Legorol | End of story. |
| 16:00.22 | Arrowmaster | AckisWork: yeah i think i know |
| 16:00.41 | AckisWork | I had to :P |
| 16:00.47 | Anaral | You think, or know? |
| 16:00.49 | Anaral | :p |
| 16:01.10 | AckisWork | feel free to plug me Anaral |
| 16:01.11 | AckisWork | :P |
| 16:01.18 | Arrowmaster | star belt, belt of archmage, the timbermaw ones, mooncloth circlet, and ALL OF THE FUCKING BOP TBC ONES SINCE THEY NEVER FUCKING DROP |
| 16:01.35 | Arrowmaster | i think thats it |
| 16:01.53 | Mikk | Supply a string -> it's even possible to RE-define the function later |
| 16:01.59 | durcyn | buggerfuck, i still need flarecore wraps |
| 16:02.36 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: those are BoE |
| 16:02.36 | Mikk | Plus of course there's the handy shortcut of myaddon:RegisterEvent("EVENT_NAME"), and it automagically calling myaddon:EVENT_NAME |
| 16:02.38 | Arrowmaster | the pattern |
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| 16:21.54 | Anaral | All right, the Ethereal Mutagen turns non-combat pets into the little ugly things... their name escapes me. |
| 16:24.50 | AckisWork | those little things found in the ehteral camps? |
| 16:24.57 | AckisWork | face suckers? |
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| 16:29.51 | Anaral | lol, I think so. |
| 16:29.57 | alestane | Fleshbeasts. |
| 16:29.58 | Anaral | The ones you have to burn |
| 16:30.02 | Anaral | yeah those |
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| 17:02.11 | Anaral | WoWEcon really likes teasing me. Its global prices for highly wanted items are always significantly lower than my server's average minimum buyout. |
| 17:03.26 | Gnarfoz | consider this: it sucks |
| 17:03.35 | cog|work | Global prices are pretty meaningless except for rare items that you don't get to scan much... |
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| 17:03.48 | cog|work | every server has a different economy |
| 17:04.26 | Anaral | I know. I only have wowecon enabled on my auction alt. If for no other reason then it's a monster memory hog. |
| 17:04.42 | cog|work | silly reason then :P |
| 17:04.59 | Anaral | But yeah, I just use it for finding at least a data point of some sort for the rare items auctioneer doesn't ever see. |
| 17:06.35 | Anaral | I still want to know if there is a server that is pretty 'average'. I doubt there is one. But if there was, I want to see it. |
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| 17:12.23 | Anaral | Did outfitter add a feature to view other's armor on yourself? I've never noticed it, and other than Auctioneer it's the only addon that I've updated recently... at least that would mess with the dressing room frame. |
| 17:13.22 | Shirik | the other issue I have with wowecon is that it provides no means to analyze the results |
| 17:13.45 | Shirik | that is, just because it says some price for your server, it doesn't tell you any kind of information helping you know how "good" that price is |
| 17:14.05 | Anaral | Aye. I just wanted a way to see some sort of global data, without having to look it up on WoWHead or whatever. |
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| 17:14.26 | Anaral | I don't have the server prices on. Just global. |
| 17:16.01 | Shirik | why? |
| 17:16.17 | Anaral | Because I was curious? |
| 17:16.32 | Anaral | I only downloaded WoWEcon last week for the first time. |
| 17:16.36 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:20.45 | Anaral | My UI is getting bloated again, I'll probably do a cleanup of it in the next few days. |
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| 17:28.55 | ckknight | does anyone know about the new talent links? |
| 17:29.33 | ckknight | |cff4e96f7|Htalent:124:-1|h[Improved Heroic Strike]|h|r |
| 17:31.37 | Shirik | dear god there is a lot of crap on the internet |
| 17:31.51 | Shirik | I'm looking at this one site that's explaining how LEDs work, and he's so wrong it's not even funny. He should have killed himself by now |
| 17:32.07 | Fisker- | you wound me Shirik |
| 17:32.14 | ckknight | link |
| 17:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | Hi Shirik. |
| 17:32.28 | Shirik | http://www.trainweb.org/girr/tips/tips7/white_led_tips.html Go down to "LED driver circuits" |
| 17:32.48 | Shirik | where he claims that the problem is with the regulator because the LED wants to see 3V and the regulator wants to see 5V |
| 17:33.14 | |Jelly| | cog: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116595464&sid=1&pageNo=4#73 LOL |
| 17:33.14 | Shirik | ..... no, the problem is you need a resistor because LEDs will drive an infinite current......... |
| 17:33.36 | Shirik | "I was able to drive it up to 117 mA and it didn't burn out and it was REALLY bright." |
| 17:33.48 | Shirik | too bad LEDs shouldn't go over 20mA... |
| 17:34.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, have you tried? |
| 17:34.41 | Shirik | tried? |
| 17:34.42 | cog|work | pot...kettle... |
| 17:34.57 | Thunder_Child | to push a LED over 20mA |
| 17:35.12 | Shirik | sure |
| 17:35.17 | Shirik | I've also blown a few |
| 17:35.21 | Fisker- | what 20mA? |
| 17:35.23 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 17:35.36 | Shirik | there is zero benefit to going over 20mA for about 99% of the LEDs |
| 17:35.41 | Shirik | they won't get brighter |
| 17:36.14 | Shirik | this excludes special purpose LEDs, of course |
| 17:36.28 | Fisker- | mine goes to 11 |
| 17:36.40 | Shirik | http://www.trainweb.org/girr/tips/tips7/RAM109_ckt.gif is what scares me |
| 17:37.08 | Shirik | not only having no resistor on that LED, but also driving it from AC power with a theoretically infinite current |
| 17:38.43 | Anaral | Why does informant info display last on chat links (where I'd prefer it) but above ace addons that modify the tooltip for bags, craft, bank, etc? |
| 17:39.09 | Arrowmaster | hooking order |
| 17:39.11 | Shirik | Informant has no control over that :) |
| 17:39.16 | Shirik | it all depends on what order the addons ran in |
| 17:40.16 | Anaral | Okay, then how can I get enhTooltip to run last for everything? |
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| 17:41.21 | Shirik | you really can't |
| 17:41.32 | Shirik | it's just due to the nature of the environment |
| 17:41.48 | Shirik | it's theoretically possible for everyone to have a different order |
| 17:42.02 | Anaral | *sighs* |
| 17:42.11 | Anaral | I was hoping for a different answer. :p |
| 17:42.13 | |Jelly| | POOPIE! |
| 17:42.23 | Shirik | I mean |
| 17:42.39 | Shirik | if every addon expected enhTooltip, it could forcefully reorder the hooks as it sees fit |
| 17:42.52 | Shirik | but not only does that create dependencies, it also relies on EVERY addon doing that |
| 17:43.04 | ckknight | anyone know a way to convert a talent ID + rank to a spellID? |
| 17:43.45 | Anaral | Doesn't wowhead or allakhazam show the spellids for individual ranks? |
| 17:44.40 | durcyn | kind of hard for an addon to query wowhead, though, guy. |
| 17:45.00 | Anaral | True |
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| 17:45.45 | Lunessa | ... STATION! |
| 17:45.45 | cog|work | ... STATION! |
| 17:45.53 | Lunessa | Ha! Too slow! |
| 17:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | Station. |
| 17:46.37 | Lunessa | My devious master plan is working... soon, it will become the IRC greeting of choice. |
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| 17:48.04 | Thunder_Child | no...not really |
| 17:49.29 | Shirik | ~emulate Lunessa |
| 17:49.30 | purl | ACTION glances around shamefully saying "it slides, it slides" |
| 17:50.30 | Lunessa | ~emulate Shirik |
| 17:50.31 | purl | I'll answer that in a few minutes when this web page has finished loading... |
| 17:50.36 | durcyn | ckknight: can't you just GetSpellLink() it by name, or do you need it for spells the player doesn't know? |
| 17:50.57 | Lunessa | Hah... A work day that starts with good news and bad news. |
| 17:51.22 | Lunessa | Good news... I'm going to make some over time. Bad news... I have to work one of my days off. |
| 17:51.32 | ckknight | durcyn: you don't learn the spell "Improved Heroic Strike", it's just a talent |
| 17:51.58 | durcyn | right, but names work for spellbook, do talents? |
| 17:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | They do |
| 17:52.14 | ckknight | hrm |
| 17:52.28 | ckknight | one issue, wouldn't I have to localize Rank, then? |
| 17:52.33 | ckknight | "Rank %d", actually |
| 17:53.28 | ckknight | why is "Rank %d" not in globalstrings? |
| 17:53.36 | ckknight | I suppose RANK .. " " .. num works |
| 17:54.22 | Dashkal | Would that " " be there in chinese? (serious question, since asian languages don't make much use of spaces) |
| 17:54.23 | ckknight | I'd need to test that to be comfortable with it |
| 17:54.27 | ckknight | Dashkal: no idea |
| 17:54.39 | Shirik | Dashkal: It would be nothing in the strict form |
| 17:55.07 | Shirik | but if using roman numerals, it would likely be a space (and it would be backwards) |
| 17:55.12 | wereHamster | isn't there a string.format() template for Rank X ? |
| 17:55.22 | Dashkal | more to the point, how does znCH handle it? |
| 17:55.41 | AckisWork | ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/89734 that's how I deal with ranks with beast skills in ARL... not sure if that helps you |
| 17:55.58 | ckknight | in any event, there's GetSpellLink and GetTalentLink, previously GetTalentLink returned a spell link, now there's a talent link, which poses issues |
| 18:08.51 | Arrowmaster | why not just string.match(rank, "%d+") |
| 18:13.06 | Thunder_Child | well this is new spam for me http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/THUNDER__CHILD/wowspam.jpg |
| 18:13.50 | kd3 | nice that the phish filter caught it |
| 18:13.58 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it was for arguments to pass into GetSpellLink |
| 18:17.43 | Anaral | Grr, AtlasLoot is gabroke. |
| 18:19.33 | Fisker- | can't be that hard kd3 |
| 18:21.28 | AckisWork | Anaral: fix it? |
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| 18:25.41 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: GetSpellLink accepts lots of different inputs |
| 18:26.43 | Arrowmaster | whats the new output of GetTalentLink()? |
| 18:27.05 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I think you should go fill out their forms right away. |
| 18:29.13 | Arrowmaster | and passing names to GetSpellLink for talents doesnt work |
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| 18:39.21 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i would but i dont have an EU account |
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| 18:41.21 | Anaral | Ackis: No, I just reloaded the ui and used the AL window instead of Atlas to view the items. |
| 18:42.11 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: All the more reason to go fill out their forms. In Spanish. |
| 18:42.26 | AckisWork | Anaral: there's a new atlas coming out isn't there? |
| 18:42.51 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, lol 404 error |
| 18:43.05 | Anaral | I've read as much from ALs update notes on WAU |
| 18:43.08 | Lunessa | Oh man, lame. |
| 18:47.49 | Thunder_Child | "According to a a recent survey, one in three IT staff snoops on colleagues. U.S. information security company Cyber-Ark surveyed 300 senior IT professionals, and found that one-third admitted to secretly snooping, while 47 percent said they had accessed information that was not relevant to their role." |
| 18:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah the wonders of tcpdump on a router |
| 18:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Good times |
| 18:49.07 | kd3 | rofl |
| 18:51.17 | Lunessa | Heh. I used to want to bust my old roomie, the "moral fiber of the house must remain intact" by showing him the dumps from the router where he was accessing some pretty intense porn. |
| 18:51.22 | hi11ie | hey, i'm trying to create soem frames for the first time (following the WoW programming book) and FrameXML.log is saying it can't parse the xml.. can anyone look and see? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89736 |
| 18:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowxml |
| 18:52.23 | purl | somebody said wowxml was http://fara.webeddie.com/frames |
| 18:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm nope |
| 18:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowxsd |
| 18:52.31 | purl | it has been said that wowxsd is http://dev.averageurl.com/wow/xml/ |
| 18:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | There we are |
| 18:53.25 | Fisker- | ewww |
| 18:53.28 | Fisker- | slouken uses xmlspy |
| 18:54.53 | Thunder_Child | ~cheesslap Fisker- |
| 18:55.07 | Thunder_Child | huh, i thought there was |
| 18:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | hi11ie: paste it into that link and it'll tell you what's broke |
| 18:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (quite a bit) |
| 18:55.29 | Thunder_Child | ~cheeseslap Fisker- |
| 18:55.30 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker- around with a piece of swiss |
| 18:55.30 | AckisWork | ~xsd |
| 18:55.38 | Thunder_Child | ah, spelling as usual |
| 18:56.06 | hi11ie | ScytheBlade1: thanks |
| 18:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 18:57.57 | Anaral | WTS 3 year old and 8 month old girls. PST with offers! |
| 18:59.18 | Thunder_Child | part of the child slavery ring? |
| 18:59.32 | cog|work | lern2birthcontrol imo :P |
| 18:59.56 | AckisWork | lol Anaral |
| 19:00.21 | Anaral | Yeah yeah cog. :p |
| 19:00.42 | AckisWork | hindsight is 20/20 :P |
| 19:01.32 | Anaral | Most definitely. |
| 19:02.08 | Anaral | Well the first was great until #2 came along. |
| 19:02.24 | AckisWork | what about #3 - 8? |
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| 19:03.18 | Anaral | Oh hell NO! |
| 19:03.43 | AckisWork | my gf had a similar reaction when I told her I wanted to be able to field a baseball team with my children |
| 19:04.16 | Anaral | You're evil |
| 19:04.17 | hi11ie | i don't get that site's errors. if i only paste the hidden frame, which works perfectly in WOW, it says that <Scripts> is an error and that <Levels> or <Size> is expected. |
| 19:04.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, that's fine (read the FAQ) |
| 19:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | There are details with the XSD where it expects the elements to be in a specific order, but WoW doesn't care |
| 19:05.03 | AckisWork | Anaral: yes I am :D |
| 19:05.34 | cog|work | hi11ie: scripts have to come after <anchors>, <size>, <frames>, etc. according to the schema |
| 19:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | hi11ie: cog is the better reference for this stuff in detail - I just made the site that parses the XML |
| 19:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | hi11ie: bow to his knowledge here ;) |
| 19:06.26 | hi11ie | cog|work: what if you don't have/need those other things for that frame? |
| 19:06.31 | hi11ie | well i'm reading his book, so ;) |
| 19:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you can omit them |
| 19:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 19:06.39 | cog|work | hi11ie: there are also editors out there that will validate the schema in realtime (e.g. the free versions of MS visual studio) |
| 19:07.10 | hi11ie | that's pretty cool. |
| 19:07.36 | cog|work | http://www.microsoft.com/express/ |
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| 19:08.20 | cog|work | you have to do a bit of footwork to get it to find the schema: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML |
| 19:08.21 | Lunessa | Bah. I would have to VMWare it. |
| 19:08.48 | hi11ie | ScytheBlade1: do you paste in the entire xml file contents or omit the Ui line? it says in the faq that it uses its own xsd |
| 19:08.50 | cog|work | not only does it do validation, but it also gives you code completion for all tags, attributes, and any enumerated values |
| 19:09.01 | erikd | if you're a student you could get vs 2008 pro from dreamspark: https://downloads.channel8.msdn.com/ |
| 19:09.31 | cog|work | only other editors that do that cost $ |
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| 19:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | hi11ie: yes, including the UI tags |
| 19:12.54 | kd3 | wth? |
| 19:13.01 | kd3 | "eBayer slaps $714 price tag on $630 in cash" |
| 19:13.20 | cog|work | kd3: probably cheaper than getting a cash advance on a CC |
| 19:13.39 | cog|work | not that you can legally ship cash... |
| 19:13.48 | kd3 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/19/ebayer_live_search_game/ |
| 19:15.41 | kd3 | or even better... fark: [Obvious] 1998 story about doomsayer predictions of world oil crunch by 2010, complete with Bay Area residents complain about paying $1.31 for a gallon of regular unleaded gas |
| 19:16.21 | cog|work | Bay Area residents complain about everything |
| 19:16.27 | cog|work | (not fark) |
| 19:16.32 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:18.15 | erikd | i wish i could fill my car from empty on just shy of a $20 again |
| 19:18.26 | kd3 | don't we all |
| 19:18.48 | erikd | $60 this morning =/ |
| 19:18.50 | cog|work | that's where prices were when i started driving |
| 19:18.59 | kd3 | me too |
| 19:19.44 | erikd | i didn't bother getting my license until i was 18 (in ~2000) |
| 19:19.47 | cog|work | i didn't bother until i was 17.5 |
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| 19:20.01 | cog|work | that way i didn't have to take drivers ed or anything :P |
| 19:20.08 | erikd | exactly |
| 19:20.15 | Lunessa | I filled my tank today. $94.00 US |
| 19:20.18 | cog|work | i turned 18 in 2k also |
| 19:20.21 | Legorol | cog|work: you are incorrect about the "not only does it do validation, but it also gives you code completion for all tags, attributes, and any enumerated values" |
| 19:20.32 | Legorol | there is a Home (free) version of Altova's XML Spy which also does that |
| 19:20.56 | cog|work | Legorol: that didn't exist anymore last i checked |
| 19:21.01 | Legorol | you will also be bemused to know that in the early days of WoW, slouken used XML Spy to edit FrameXML |
| 19:21.12 | erikd | lunessa: jeez, do you drive a huge pickup? |
| 19:21.15 | Legorol | I know this because it left its signature in some XMLs |
| 19:22.03 | Lunessa | erikd: Sadly I drive a pick up. |
| 19:22.11 | cog|work | yeah it's in UI.xsd too |
| 19:22.53 | cog|work | Legorol: i think you mentioned that free version a long time ago (like a year and a half) and they had just recently discontinued it. |
| 19:23.01 | cog|work | now they only have trials (unless they reinstated it again) |
| 19:23.06 | cog|work | (time-limited) |
| 19:23.40 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, pick up trucks are hot. *nod* |
| 19:24.00 | cog|work | 'least he has *one* thing going for him... |
| 19:24.02 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yes, but this is costing me a fortune to drive. |
| 19:24.06 | Legorol | cog|work: that is possible |
| 19:24.17 | Lunessa | cog|work: Pfft. Secret Gnomish Breeding program. |
| 19:24.20 | Arrowmaster | lol @ time-limited trial versions, my windows startup folder has .reg files to reset time-limited trials =D |
| 19:25.00 | erikd | next car i get is going to be a hybrid if not completely electric |
| 19:25.25 | cog|work | gas prices aren't quite high enough to make that worthwhile yet |
| 19:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | I know, Lunessa... hot is always expensive, look at the hookers! |
| 19:25.36 | cog|work | (even at >$4/gal) |
| 19:25.40 | erikd | they will be by the time i'm in the market for a new car :) |
| 19:25.41 | AckisWork | mini-vans > all |
| 19:25.44 | cog|work | true :P |
| 19:26.01 | erikd | i just bought one with 36k miles on it ~3 years ago |
| 19:26.02 | Legorol | cog|work: you are right, they removed all free downloads, even for archive versions that used to be free |
| 19:26.04 | Legorol | that sucks |
| 19:26.09 | erikd | i have another 60k or so left |
| 19:26.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Sadly, all I ever get to do is look. :P |
| 19:26.40 | cog|work | i've got a 4 cyl station wagon, a mid sized sedan ... and my mustang.... |
| 19:27.00 | cog|work | their gas mileage is inversely proportional to my desire to drive them :( |
| 19:27.06 | kd3 | the 'stang with the 4gnrmgergn tag on it? |
| 19:27.09 | cog|work | yep |
| 19:27.13 | hi11ie | cog|work: which product do i download ? (visual c#/c++/web) |
| 19:27.32 | erikd | i vote for c# |
| 19:27.37 | cog|work | any of them i think... They should all be able to edit xml files. Never used web developer though so i don't know what features it has |
| 19:27.42 | cog|work | i'd pick c# too though |
| 19:27.46 | Legorol | me three |
| 19:27.47 | hi11ie | yeah |
| 19:27.51 | cog|work | if you ever get into .NET programming, it's teh secks |
| 19:27.57 | Legorol | although i'd pick visual basic if it's still available |
| 19:28.07 | Arrowmaster | i drive a 4 cyl coupe, $40 for a little less than 300 miles |
| 19:29.00 | Arrowmaster | but im bad and do things like speed and accelerate really fast so its usually at perty high rpms |
| 19:30.35 | Arrowmaster | my old sedan got better gas mileage until the runin with the camry |
| 19:31.57 | Lunessa | I went from driving a little 4-cylinder 2-door to driving this truck and from an 8 mile commute to a 38 mile commute. Gas prices going up as little as $0.10 have a pretty major effect on my budget. |
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| 19:36.01 | frop | hello guys, someone remember that imba keyboard? |
| 19:36.13 | Tekkub | dvorak? |
| 19:36.44 | frop | naah :) |
| 19:36.51 | frop | one c00l |
| 19:37.01 | frop | with macros recording and stuff |
| 19:37.02 | cog|work | optimus? |
| 19:37.06 | cog|work | oh G15 |
| 19:37.13 | frop | someone linked it here some days ago |
| 19:37.15 | Tekkub | n52's better |
| 19:37.17 | Tekkub | :) |
| 19:37.23 | frop | like the g15, but another one |
| 19:37.58 | frop | the site has only one keyboard and one mouse |
| 19:38.02 | frop | "bluish" |
| 19:38.05 | MentalPower | comments pls: http://up.norganna.org/index.php/lWKRXj3/Dell%20XPS%20Dream%20Machine.pdf |
| 19:38.16 | Tekkub | MentalPower, it's crap! |
| 19:38.34 | Arrowmaster | its a dell..... i agree |
| 19:38.42 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 19:39.07 | MentalPower | I've had no issues with dells so far, not something I can say about HP/Compaq |
| 19:39.31 | Arrowmaster | well if you HAVE to go with a prebuilt then i guess dell |
| 19:40.20 | MentalPower | its a laptop |
| 19:40.30 | MentalPower | not very many DIY options in that aspect |
| 19:40.42 | MentalPower | ASUS does not count |
| 19:40.43 | Lunessa | MentalPower: It blows my desktop away. |
| 19:40.47 | Arrowmaster | fine for a laptop then either dell or apple |
| 19:44.27 | Fisker- | it's a pdf |
| 19:44.28 | Fisker- | i dislike |
| 19:44.31 | Fisker- | also |
| 19:44.39 | Fisker- | wtf is social networking bullshit doing on dell? |
| 19:44.48 | Lopeppeppy | Eating lollipops. |
| 19:45.02 | Fisker- | and why the hell DIDN'T YOU GET FLAMINGO PINK? |
| 19:45.15 | Lunessa | networking your socials. Gettin' you da hook up on the intardwebz. |
| 19:45.21 | Fisker- | also you could've pirated windows instead |
| 19:45.22 | Fisker- | :o |
| 19:46.13 | Fisker- | do you seriously need the modem MentalPower? |
| 19:46.19 | Fisker- | oh |
| 19:46.22 | Fisker- | mobile broadband |
| 19:46.24 | Fisker- | but do you need it? :P |
| 19:46.52 | Fisker- | Free Upgrade to a 9 cell Battery [Included in Price] <-nooo deselect that |
| 19:47.07 | MentalPower | mobile broadband, prolly not |
| 19:47.11 | MentalPower | y not 9-cell? |
| 19:47.25 | MentalPower | other than the fact that it protrudes from the backside |
| 19:48.02 | Fisker- | well there's atleast $170 to save on the broadband |
| 19:51.35 | erikd | the broadband won't do you any good unless you get the $60/mo plan from at&t (for 5GB of transfer) |
| 19:51.49 | erikd | i looked it up because i was curious :) |
| 19:51.56 | Matrix110| | $60 for 5GB? |
| 19:51.59 | Matrix110| | wtf? |
| 19:52.12 | Matrix110| | oh mobile |
| 19:52.15 | Matrix110| | nvm:P |
| 19:52.16 | erikd | yeah |
| 19:52.29 | Lunessa | ... this selinia chica is starting to piss me off. |
| 19:52.47 | erikd | woohoo, my new toy shipped |
| 19:52.53 | erikd | https://store.mp3car.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MON-001 |
| 19:52.58 | erikd | i'm gonna have fun this weekend |
| 19:53.06 | MentalPower | erikd: theres a $60 unlimited plan available too http://dell.com/att |
| 19:53.46 | Fisker- | "unlimited" |
| 19:53.46 | erikd | oooh, nice |
| 19:53.59 | erikd | i need that for my car |
| 19:54.31 | Shirik | This is going to sound like an odd question |
| 19:54.43 | Shirik | is there any software out there to give you a "virtual" second monitor on windows? |
| 19:54.47 | kd3 | "yes, brain. but leather chaps are painful" |
| 19:54.54 | Shirik | that is, it acts as if Windows thought it was a second monitor |
| 19:55.06 | MentalPower | I've never seen one |
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| 19:55.19 | Lunessa | Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? |
| 19:55.29 | Lopeppeppy | I think so Brain, but burlap chafes me so. |
| 19:55.44 | erikd | shirik: similar to a virtual desktop on linux? |
| 19:56.20 | erikd | http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:56.25 | erikd | looks like that'd do the trick |
| 19:56.45 | Shirik | I don't think that will work right |
| 19:57.10 | Shirik | I'll try it, but I'm trying to debug my software which incorrectly computes coordinates when there is a second monitor to the left of the primary monitor |
| 19:57.19 | Shirik | and I don't have a second monitor... |
| 19:57.25 | erikd | ahh |
| 19:57.58 | Shirik | I guess I could do some remote debugging |
| 19:58.03 | Shirik | but that's annoying to set up |
| 19:58.12 | Cide | you only have one monitor? must suck to be you |
| 19:58.24 | erikd | anything open source? i could take a look at it tomorrow |
| 19:58.55 | Cide | Shirik: could plug in a tv or something, if you have the proper cables... and a tv |
| 20:00.04 | Shirik | Cide, I'm at work :P |
| 20:00.10 | Shirik | we don't have random TVs lying around :) |
| 20:00.21 | Cide | it's amazing you don't have properly set up secondary monitors |
| 20:00.28 | Cide | if your work has anything to do with programming! |
| 20:00.39 | Cide | maybe it's not standard, but it sure as hell helps a ton |
| 20:00.47 | Anaral | AckisWork: Oh my husband asks if you got KJ down last night. |
| 20:01.09 | AckisWork | Anaral: nah that was our best attempt, hopefully tonight if people show up and aren't retards |
| 20:01.36 | Anaral | Well best of luck to you on it. :D |
| 20:01.41 | Shirik | most do Cide |
| 20:01.43 | Shirik | I'm an intern :P |
| 20:01.44 | AckisWork | ty, I hope we beat the game tonight |
| 20:01.48 | erikd | ackis: which guild are you in? |
| 20:01.48 | AckisWork | I want my break :( |
| 20:01.49 | Shirik | I don't get these tools |
| 20:01.52 | Fisker- | diablo 3! |
| 20:01.52 | AckisWork | erikd: Team Ice |
| 20:02.04 | AckisWork | www.teamice.org (we're recruiting) |
| 20:02.04 | Cide | Shirik: ah, so it does suck to be you :P |
| 20:02.29 | erikd | i'm on alliance :) |
| 20:02.37 | AckisWork | pfft |
| 20:02.47 | Anaral | Yeah, Smurrf, my hubbit is also alliance. |
| 20:02.49 | erikd | we're working on m'uru, our first night of attempts was monday |
| 20:02.57 | Shirik | I guess I'll go set up remote debugging |
| 20:02.58 | Shirik | boo |
| 20:03.17 | AckisWork | we 1 shot him for the first time tonight |
| 20:03.20 | AckisWork | err last night |
| 20:03.41 | Lunessa | hey... They won't give me an extra monitor... they claim that I have enough with the two computers... |
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| 20:04.02 | erikd | nice, we're trying to figure out a strat that works for us |
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| 20:05.02 | Lunessa | ~whalenuke Fisker |
| 20:05.03 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers. |
| 20:05.15 | Fisker- | STOP HARASSING ME :( |
| 20:05.20 | Anaral | Oh in regards to my lot of two girls, add a husband free of charge. :p |
| 20:05.43 | AckisWork | lmao |
| 20:06.45 | cog|work | heh... given it's irc and all i thought it was the other way 'round :P |
| 20:09.42 | Lunessa | ... wait, what? Dude! |
| 20:10.17 | Shirik | cog|work: any experience with remote debugging? :) |
| 20:10.25 | Shirik | in particular, do you know where msvsmon.exe is located? |
| 20:10.39 | cog|work | that's actually exactly as far as i have gotten with it :P |
| 20:10.44 | cog|work | but i propmtly forgot... |
| 20:11.01 | Lunessa | I love it when old threads get necro'ed and in that thread I patiently repeated the correct answer time and time again and the original poster goes on for days not getting it. |
| 20:11.37 | DARKGuy | Haha :P |
| 20:11.37 | cog|work | Shirik: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\IDE\Remote Debugger\x86 |
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| 20:22.42 | cog|work | that didn't take long... http://www.petitiononline.com/netflixp/petition.html |
| 20:24.26 | Tekkub | Well they didn't give any REAL reason why they're removing it |
| 20:24.29 | cog|work | i'd rather they raise their prices than do that kind of crap |
| 20:24.44 | Tekkub | they cited "improvements" but didn't actually say what it improves |
| 20:24.51 | Shirik | thanks cog|work |
| 20:25.20 | Shirik | this is the pinnacle of remote debugging. I'm on the debug target, using remote desktop to get back to visual studio, which is connecting remotely back to this machine to debug code running here |
| 20:25.34 | Tekkub | and it seems the phone rep claim that it's only used by a very small portion, but that the added load of those extra profiles is somehow detrimental to their servers |
| 20:25.53 | cog|work | BS |
| 20:26.06 | Tekkub | either way, we added a disc to our plan BECAUSE of the profiles, and if the profiles go away we'll downgrade back to where we were |
| 20:26.21 | cog|work | same |
| 20:26.29 | cog|work | they'll get less money from us as a result for sure |
| 20:26.30 | Tekkub | no way in hell we'll pay for two accts, or try to manage two people's queues in one queue |
| 20:26.47 | cog|work | i don't think we'd be able to survive dropping it completely though :P |
| 20:27.00 | cog|work | not with my wife's anime addiction ;) |
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| 20:28.08 | Tekkub | heh |
| 20:28.27 | Tekkub | the only anime we rent is the Ghibli shit I can't find online |
| 20:28.43 | kd3 | what ghibli shit? bet I can find it |
| 20:28.56 | cncfanatics | anyone knows if its possible to let bigwigs do his "blue screen of death" animation when it gets a high threat warning from omen ? |
| 20:30.15 | Tekkub | kd3, too late now, I've seen most all of em :) |
| 20:30.55 | Tekkub | and by "find it" I mean find a version in XviD/etc, with hardcoded subs, JP audio, and NOT in a fucking MKV file |
| 20:31.00 | Tekkub | good luck *grin* |
| 20:31.17 | kd3 | bah. you just gotta learn how to use mpc. mkvs are <3 |
| 20:31.44 | Tekkub | mkv's are bullshit when all you want is siple jp audio and engrish subs |
| 20:32.58 | cog|work | heh "But it's also good for couples, because most peoples' significant others have terrible taste in movies and always hog the queue." |
| 20:34.22 | Tekkub | cog, I honestly cannot think of their justification for this. It should be pretty obvious that the feature gets more families to upgrade to more discs, and removing it is only going to piss them off into downgrading or leaving, not buying another plan |
| 20:36.05 | cog|work | Yeah. We'll probably switch to blockbuster if they go through with it. |
| 20:36.24 | cog|work | Being able to go to a store is nice when you want to see a movie but don't want to wait for the mail |
| 20:36.43 | Arrowmaster | tough luck tek, all the good sub groups are going to mkvs and softsubs because theyre better |
| 20:36.47 | Arrowmaster | hardsubs suck |
| 20:37.07 | Tekkub | define "better" |
| 20:37.22 | Arrowmaster | you can adjust the style if you want to |
| 20:37.42 | Arrowmaster | and it doesnt cause artifacting from reencoding it with the hardsubs |
| 20:37.43 | Tekkub | if the subber uses white outlined in black, you don't need to |
| 20:38.06 | Arrowmaster | oh and because you can do animorphic video in mkvs |
| 20:38.20 | Arrowmaster | instead of having to resize and reencode the video for an avi |
| 20:38.28 | Arrowmaster | most things are animorphic now |
| 20:39.11 | Arrowmaster | plus variable frame rates |
| 20:39.29 | Arrowmaster | oddly the openings and endings sometimes have a different framerate than the rest |
| 20:39.51 | Tekkub | see now here's the thing... AVIs "just work"... I'm more than willing to suffer some slight quality loss due to the encoding because it's more than watchable and works every time |
| 20:40.15 | Tekkub | MKVs, every single one I've touched, has not worked right in some way |
| 20:40.23 | cog|work | "technically superior" â "better" |
| 20:40.27 | Tekkub | usually it's just the subs/audio falling out of sync |
| 20:40.34 | Arrowmaster | and its a bitch to work with multiple frame rates, the avis that use the 120 fps hack shit are just fucking wrong |
| 20:40.37 | cog|work | should sum it up pretty well |
| 20:40.39 | Tekkub | sometimes the file won't open at all |
| 20:40.46 | Arrowmaster | i never have problems with mkvs |
| 20:40.53 | cog|work | the former being objective, latter subjective |
| 20:41.11 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster: I could never get variable framerate to work, neither with avi, mkv nor mp4 |
| 20:41.13 | cog|work | I don't know many people who would call the xbox better than the ps2 |
| 20:41.14 | Tekkub | cog|work, yea AVI vs MKV is like DVD vs Bluray to me... I don't see the advantage |
| 20:41.18 | Arrowmaster | if its falling out of sync it sounds like your system cant handle the h264 decoding |
| 20:41.47 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, 264 in avis work fine for me |
| 20:41.51 | Arrowmaster | eww |
| 20:42.00 | Arrowmaster | h264 in avi is just fucking wrong |
| 20:42.03 | Arrowmaster | its a total hack |
| 20:42.11 | Tekkub | plus the first files were before 264 was really even used, I know those files were DivX |
| 20:42.14 | Arrowmaster | and should never be done |
| 20:42.24 | Lunessa | cog|work: Wow... I never used profiles at Netflix, but then I'm 1 person watching 3 at a time. |
| 20:42.34 | Lunessa | And no animae. |
| 20:42.54 | Tekkub | Lunessa, I tried to manage 4 people in one netflix back before there were profiles... it was not fun |
| 20:43.23 | Lunessa | Yeah, I don't even recall being shown an option to set up profiles. |
| 20:43.28 | cog|work | We have 3 queues: 2 discs for us, 2 discs for her, and 1 for me |
| 20:43.30 | Tekkub | erm... and I just had a stupid thought... doesn't netflix only allow one acct per address anyway? |
| 20:43.34 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: oh and ordered chapters are win, id like so see that done in avi |
| 20:43.46 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, another feature I never use |
| 20:43.48 | Lunessa | But then, I'm in that nebulous group that "never used it." |
| 20:43.54 | Arrowmaster | i use it all the time |
| 20:44.25 | Tekkub | all I use are skip forward, except I don't because download don't have ads... and "remember where I stopped" thanks to Zoomplayer |
| 20:44.42 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: have you had blockbuster before? |
| 20:44.50 | Lunessa | Meh, I waited until their price was something I was willing to pay. And 90% of what they have on their "instant queue" is shlock. |
| 20:45.10 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, plain and simple, people need to put out both MKV and AVI if they actually care to reach everyone |
| 20:45.11 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: how much anime do you watch? |
| 20:45.22 | Tekkub | like what vengapunk does with onepiece, they're great |
| 20:45.38 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, more than the non-anime we watch |
| 20:45.55 | MentalPower | mkv is so much better tho, you can't even use ogg in an avi properly |
| 20:46.10 | Arrowmaster | most groups that release mkvs also release avis unless its an 720p broadcast |
| 20:46.21 | Tekkub | MentalPower, never said MKV wasn't "better" :P |
| 20:46.28 | Tekkub | just "not worth it for me" |
| 20:47.11 | MentalPower | granted, mkv still has a ways to go, but it should not take much lnger |
| 20:47.17 | MentalPower | longer* |
| 20:47.23 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, yea I know, cause I know a number of other people that won't touch mkv's at all either |
| 20:47.51 | Tekkub | MentalPower, what MKV needs is a good hardware playback base |
| 20:48.02 | MentalPower | granted again |
| 20:48.16 | Arrowmaster | thats because nobodys willing to implemtent mkv hardware support |
| 20:48.22 | Tekkub | when people can play it on their xbox360 or PS3 or media extender, they won't care that it's an MKV |
| 20:48.25 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt have a company backing it |
| 20:48.28 | Arrowmaster | like divx |
| 20:48.38 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, that's because noone uses it except fansubs |
| 20:48.40 | Arrowmaster | or apple |
| 20:48.46 | Tekkub | what company is gonna back that? |
| 20:49.10 | Arrowmaster | none since they cant claim any rights over it |
| 20:49.17 | Tekkub | They'd rather push a hard format like Bluray where they can see the money |
| 20:49.48 | Tekkub | or downloading onto an existing system (cappleTV) |
| 20:50.01 | Tekkub | s/capp/crapp/ |
| 20:50.02 | Arrowmaster | and like i said, h264 in avi is just wrong, so the only other options are mkv, mp4, or mov |
| 20:50.13 | Tekkub | mp4 I'm all for |
| 20:50.21 | Tekkub | mov, or real, fuck that shit |
| 20:50.22 | Arrowmaster | no softsubs though |
| 20:50.26 | Arrowmaster | i like softsubs |
| 20:50.32 | Tekkub | don't care about softsubs remember? |
| 20:50.34 | Tekkub | :P |
| 20:50.42 | Arrowmaster | actually i take that back |
| 20:50.45 | cog|work | why can i never post comments on /. ? |
| 20:50.47 | Arrowmaster | you can softsub in mp4 |
| 20:50.51 | cog|work | it always comes up with a server error... |
| 20:50.57 | kd3 | mp4/mkv/ogm |
| 20:50.57 | DARKGuy | Fsck Virgin ><. |
| 20:50.57 | Arrowmaster | nobody ever does it though because it fucking sucks |
| 20:50.58 | Tekkub | why do you WANT to comment on /.? |
| 20:51.15 | wereHamster | < Arrowmaster> or apple - I thought they use mov or mp4/m4v |
| 20:51.28 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: its the server telling you that you should probably ashamed for commenting on /. |
| 20:51.29 | cog|work | "I wonder if they invested in Blockbuster... I'm certainly going to switch if they go through with it..." |
| 20:51.32 | Tekkub | I'm sure apple uses mov, it's their stupid format |
| 20:51.36 | Arrowmaster | apple uses mov, which now most contain h264 video |
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| 20:51.44 | NightHawkTheSane | apple uses both mov and mp4 |
| 20:51.46 | Arrowmaster | its just a container |
| 20:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | appletv/ipods use mp4 |
| 20:51.56 | Tekkub | yea and an annoying ass container too |
| 20:52.05 | Tekkub | another one of the ones I just won't touch |
| 20:52.49 | Tekkub | now STOP DISTRACTING ME FROM DOING WORK YOU ASSHOLES |
| 20:53.23 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 20:53.33 | kd3 | zomg blinking banner ads! |
| 20:53.49 | DARKGuy | Tekkub: you musn't work! ... but if you should, then you should stop Virgin! :( |
| 20:54.06 | Tekkub | actually I remembered why I let you distract me... |
| 20:54.17 | Tekkub | my next tix is a stupid complex thing I don't want to implement |
| 20:54.30 | DARKGuy | o.O? |
| 20:54.42 | Arrowmaster | i cant wait until more sub groups start using mkv linked segments so that more support for it gets into other stuff like mplayer |
| 20:55.01 | Tekkub | Kevin wants the ticketing system to also do cost estimation.... automatically... |
| 20:55.05 | kd3 | linked segments? |
| 20:55.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah you can have parts of a video in different files, like the opening and ending, and when you open an ep file it will include the linked parts as long as theyre found in the same directory |
| 20:56.46 | Arrowmaster | The.Melancholy.of.Haruhi.Suzumiya.h264.vorbis[Hitsuji] is a good example of heavy usage of it |
| 20:57.56 | wereHamster | Tekkub: do you know the 20/80 rule? |
| 20:58.12 | Tekkub | no... |
| 20:58.28 | wereHamster | you could use that for cost-estimation. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Speedup-Loop.aspx |
| 20:58.47 | Tekkub | no, the whole cost estimation thing is his nightmare |
| 20:59.05 | Tekkub | if he listened to my ideas, this whole app would be a lot simpler |
| 21:00.29 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, why would anyone listen to you? |
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| 21:01.18 | Tekkub | wut? |
| 21:01.31 | Thunder_Child | funny.... |
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| 21:03.23 | kd3 | rofl @ the speedup loop |
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| 21:07.31 | memeyou | does anyone know of a COMBAT_LOG_EVENT exists for the log entry that generates "X's debuff-X is cleansed by Y's spell-X"? SPELL_AURA_DISPELLED doesn't seem to have a srcGUID |
| 21:09.24 | nevcairiel | lol the speed up loop is great |
| 21:11.07 | Dashkal | suddenly I'm so very tempted :p |
| 21:11.15 | Dashkal | too bad my boss knows the language I'm coding in :p |
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| 21:20.39 | Lunessa | Heh, let's build a company where we don't actually do any real work, but get paid gobs of money to do minimal work. Sounds like government. |
| 21:21.19 | Thunder_Child | minus the gobs of money part |
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| 21:22.49 | Lunessa | Well, I work for the government... and they certainly don't pay me gobs of money. :P |
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| 21:24.17 | memeyou | u get paid minimum wage? |
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| 21:28.07 | Lunessa | No. But not as much as my work is actually worth. /cry |
| 21:32.18 | Thunder_Child | the retirement package is usually much better htough |
| 21:32.20 | Thunder_Child | though* |
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| 21:34.28 | NightHawkTheSane | "I have an idea, lets add a trigger and extra processing to add EVERY email template to EVERY form in the database, even if most of them will just be listed as "not assigned", because we want to avoid selecting from multiple tables." *cry* |
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| 21:41.28 | Anaral | A guild mate is saying that r-3164 of Auc-Adv suite isn't showing search Auction and Appraiser tabs are not appearing as well as the auctioneer classic 'scan' button. |
| 21:42.53 | Anaral | He's also recieving 'nil' value errors from util-easybuyout line: 80 |
| 21:43.20 | foxlit | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200806/errord/wow-eula.jpg |
| 21:43.28 | Gnarfoz | if the nil errors are on load, then probably they're keeping auc from loading at all |
| 21:44.05 | Anaral | He says that he's tried redownloading 3164 a few times. |
| 21:44.49 | Fisker- | AH I HATE YOU GNARFOZ |
| 21:44.50 | Fisker- | DIE |
| 21:45.07 | Thunder_Child | be nice Fisker- |
| 21:45.12 | Fisker- | i imported stuff to this database as dbo |
| 21:45.19 | Fisker- | but didn't have dbo rights |
| 21:45.22 | Fisker- | so it couldn't access it |
| 21:45.23 | Fisker- | ... |
| 21:45.29 | Fisker- | took me like 2 hours to figure |
| 21:45.48 | Fisker- | less sleep tiems for me ;( |
| 21:45.53 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: feel my wrath, har har! |
| 21:46.32 | Anaral | Is there a way that he can avoid the errors? Deleting the easybuyout folder, perhaps? |
| 21:47.24 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: My medical benefits do not suck. Retirement is so so. |
| 21:48.07 | Thunder_Child | really? huh |
| 21:50.04 | memeyou | is the wowwiki api reference the most complete reference or does bliz make one? |
| 21:51.36 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: It's not /bad/ it's just not great. |
| 21:51.48 | Lunessa | memeyou: www.wowprogramming.com |
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| 21:52.17 | memeyou | tx |
| 21:53.51 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, all the government employes i know have great ones, though they all happen to be city not federal/state |
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| 21:54.39 | Lunessa | I'm state. For a university. |
| 21:54.57 | cog|work | I temped at a city once... the people there ranged from bloodsucking vultures to well-intentioned morons |
| 21:55.31 | cog|work | they were disgustingly pleased about fining someone for picking up garbage for an elderly man |
| 21:55.44 | cog|work | since that is "illegal" under their franchise agreement with the garbage company |
| 21:57.26 | Lunessa | cog|work: There are parts of the city/county/state government here that piss me off routinely. Like the Austin Cop who cited me for driving without insurance, despite my giving him my valid insurance card. And the Judge who fined me despite seeing the same card. |
| 21:57.37 | Anaral | Okay, guildy is a twit, while he was redownloading auc-adv, he hadn't deleted the folders prior to reinstalling. He said he still had folders from well over a year ago. |
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| 22:05.56 | wereHamster | Lunessa: and you accepted the verdict just like that? |
| 22:06.10 | Lunessa | wereHamster: It was a long fight. I still lost. |
| 22:06.38 | cog|work | Yeah... it's kinda sad that your word vs cop's almost always ends up in cop's favor... |
| 22:06.40 | Lunessa | Eventually it got cheaper to pay the fine than keep fighting. |
| 22:06.49 | wereHamster | where was the problem? war the judge a moron? |
| 22:06.57 | cog|work | (though i figured it would be a bit better in tx) |
| 22:07.28 | Lunessa | This one was. This is the ONLY time something like that happened. Usually the judges here are a lot more sensible. |
| 22:08.41 | Lunessa | For example, the one time I went to traffic court in Galveston, the judge just dismissed everything. :D |
| 22:10.16 | cog|work | Galveston's well known for their limited government stance |
| 22:10.49 | cog|work | Something about scraping off social security iirc |
| 22:10.56 | cog|work | (in a limited sense) |
| 22:11.51 | Lunessa | Don't get me wrong, I like Texas. I just have had my share of "dumb government" |
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| 22:13.25 | Tekkub | you LIKE Texas? |
| 22:13.28 | Kaso | Lunessa, i dont understand how a situation like that could form? like what did they say in responce when you showed the insurance card? |
| 22:13.30 | Tekkub | WTF is wrong with you? |
| 22:14.00 | Lunessa | Kaso: They insisted it was invalid. Fighting got to be more expensive that paying the fine. I paid the fine. |
| 22:14.26 | Lunessa | Tekkub: No state income tax, good job market, low unemployment, unrestrictive gun laws. |
| 22:14.40 | durcyn | we also have cows! |
| 22:14.51 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, "Dumb government" has nothing to do with texas...it's more or less universal |
| 22:15.06 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Yup. True. |
| 22:15.16 | Tekkub | Lunessa, heat, heat, lots of heat, idiot with guns, texans, heat, texans with guns... oh yea and I'M GAY |
| 22:15.18 | Lunessa | I just happen to have run into it here more than elsewhere. |
| 22:16.05 | Tekkub | oh yea, and I'm CO, all we got here are CAners and TXans |
| 22:16.18 | Lunessa | Tekkub: *shrug* So, you're gay. Houston and Dallas have some of the largest populations of openly gay persons outside of California. And I like guns. And I like lower taxes. And I like guns. |
| 22:16.24 | Lunessa | Did I mention, I like guns? |
| 22:16.26 | Tekkub | duh duh dumber than the duh duh dirt on the ground! |
| 22:16.43 | durcyn | hey now, we have gay people in Austin too. and really, the gun thing isn't that significant. |
| 22:16.43 | Lunessa | We export the horrifically dumb ones. |
| 22:17.07 | Lunessa | Austin is a strange duck of a city. But I kind of like visiting there. |
| 22:17.12 | Thunder_Child | mmmmm.....guns.... |
| 22:17.15 | cog|work | Tekkub: i'd take a town full of idiots with guns over a town full of yard signs saying "we don't have guns!" any day... |
| 22:17.23 | durcyn | if anything, proper licensing of handguns means the people who own them know what they're doing |
| 22:17.31 | Tekkub | yea well Lunessa, you see the problem with "keeping the smart ones" is it makes everyone else think you're all stupid because we deal with the others |
| 22:17.32 | cog|work | they may be idiots, but they know how and when to put their guns to use |
| 22:18.25 | cog|work | but i'm with you on the heat part ;) |
| 22:18.30 | Tekkub | I never understood the people that felt they needed guns is all |
| 22:18.45 | Tekkub | I don't think you shouldn't have one, just that you don't NEED it |
| 22:18.54 | Tekkub | my dad had guns, to go hunt with |
| 22:19.04 | Tekkub | not to "protect" himself |
| 22:19.39 | Tekkub | he made that point clear too |
| 22:19.42 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Not to hijack the channel, but "political power springs from the barrel of a gun" is more than just rhetoric. And I believe that an unarmed population isn't citizenry, it's subjects. :P |
| 22:20.29 | Tekkub | oh yea, I fogot, Cheney shoots people |
| 22:20.36 | Tekkub | shit, you're right! |
| 22:21.12 | Tekkub | you know what's the sad thing here Looney? We both hate the gov't :) |
| 22:21.23 | Thunder_Child | did anyone say need? for most people it's a want. for some jobs it's a need |
| 22:22.35 | Lunessa | Tekkub: You know, despite the fact that my personal views are often at odds with those around me, I'm pretty easy to get along with. :) |
| 22:23.00 | Tekkub | yea yea, I was just saying there's nothing good about TX :P |
| 22:23.04 | Lunessa | Hell, even cog|work's mother-in-law found me charming. |
| 22:23.20 | Tekkub | it's scientific fact, everything's better the farther north you go |
| 22:23.29 | Lunessa | Come visit. I'll show you some good things about texas. Unless you're vegan... in that case FU. |
| 22:23.41 | Tekkub | I like beef |
| 22:23.52 | Tekkub | come on, I'm a damn furry how could I not? |
| 22:23.52 | Lunessa | This is the place for it. |
| 22:24.09 | cog|work | They know what "rare" means in texas |
| 22:24.10 | Tekkub | I *would* be vegan though if I had to cook my own food |
| 22:24.12 | Lunessa | ... There's comedy gold in there... |
| 22:24.56 | Tekkub | or at least some degree of vegetarian |
| 22:25.57 | Lunessa | Gah... now I'm hungry. |
| 22:26.20 | Tekkub | me too |
| 22:27.03 | cog|work | (uncooked) |
| 22:27.04 | Tekkub | also got to torment the hubby with the shell |
| 22:27.21 | Tekkub | jiggle it around a bit... made sure it was "staring at him" at all times |
| 22:29.00 | Lunessa | ... creepy. Did you say "Dead crustacean! Gonna put it on you!" ? |
| 22:30.05 | Tekkub | no... but I did manage to spallet lobster goo all over the wall while I was cracking it apart |
| 22:30.10 | Tekkub | *splatter |
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| 22:31.06 | Lunessa | ... you are hereby forbidden to eat anything that splatters or has goo in my presence. |
| 22:31.15 | Lunessa | :X |
| 22:31.41 | cog|work | not even crawfish? |
| 22:32.36 | Tekkub | yea next time I'll just get the rock lobster tail or crablegs |
| 22:32.47 | Tekkub | full lobster is too much work |
| 22:33.02 | Tekkub | at least crablegs are just "snap in half and dig the meat out" |
| 22:33.19 | Thunder_Child | hmm..never had lobster |
| 22:33.31 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, why not? Good shit |
| 22:33.57 | Thunder_Child | my family keeps kosher so iam not likely to get it there, and it's not something i seen on the menu most of the time |
| 22:34.02 | Lunessa | I pretty much don't eat anything out of the ocean. |
| 22:34.03 | Thunder_Child | see* |
| 22:34.32 | Tekkub | is lobster not kosher? I don't know the rules beside "no pigs" |
| 22:34.43 | Thunder_Child | and nothing that walks on the bottom of the sea |
| 22:34.58 | Tekkub | what if it floats in the middle? |
| 22:35.00 | foxlit | Carbonite? |
| 22:35.03 | Tekkub | or was raised in a tank? |
| 22:35.35 | Thunder_Child | no Tekkub, you cant get around it like that |
| 22:35.49 | Tekkub | well that's a stupid arbitrary rule |
| 22:35.57 | Tekkub | imitation crab meat then? |
| 22:36.05 | Tekkub | it's almost as good |
| 22:36.17 | Thunder_Child | maybe, some of the rules are for a good reason, it's just figuing them out is the problem |
| 22:36.21 | Lunessa | Tekkub: that's pressed cod. |
| 22:36.33 | Tekkub | looney, shut up |
| 22:36.38 | Thunder_Child | well i dont keep kosher, so i can have it, i just do really go to resturants that serve it |
| 22:36.47 | Thunder_Child | dont* |
| 22:36.56 | Tekkub | oh, in that case, go to Red Lobster tonight :) |
| 22:37.05 | Lunessa | Kosher rules were dietary restrictions that predate lots of food safety and refrigeration. |
| 22:37.16 | Tekkub | fuck your family, take some heathens like me |
| 22:37.40 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, sadly it's more than that |
| 22:37.49 | Tekkub | looney, live lobster don't need refiggeration! :) |
| 22:37.49 | Thunder_Child | if it was just that, it prolly would have been changed |
| 22:37.54 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I know. |
| 22:39.03 | Thunder_Child | an only mamals with split hoves |
| 22:39.11 | Thunder_Child | so there goes a nice dinner of rabbit |
| 22:39.13 | Lunessa | http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm |
| 22:39.23 | Tekkub | hooves? what the hell is that logic? |
| 22:39.31 | Tekkub | mtn lion is good shit |
| 22:39.40 | Tekkub | a lot like pork :) |
| 22:42.39 | Lunessa | reading about food is making me hungry. |
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| 22:53.54 | bleeter | and now for my 'wtf moment' for this year, if not this decade.. http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp |
| 22:55.56 | MentalPower | WTF!?!? |
| 22:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ... wtf?! |
| 22:57.08 | MentalPower | 5ft Ethernet cable for $500? WTF!?!? |
| 22:57.28 | Pizik | At that price it has to be 5Ft diameter ;oS |
| 22:57.32 | MentalPower | "Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer." |
| 22:57.36 | MentalPower | WTF |
| 22:57.43 | Thunder_Child | ya, saw that |
| 22:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ... "signal directional markings"?!? |
| 22:57.58 | Thunder_Child | i like the vibration reduction |
| 22:57.58 | NightHawkTheSane | jesus, somebody just one-upped monster for MOST USELESS PRODUCT EVER. |
| 22:59.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | old news is old! |
| 22:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah I saw that and laughed too |
| 23:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to see some REALLY entertaining stuff, you need to find the product page on amazon and read the comments |
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| 23:02.59 | MentalPower | http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213916468&sr=8-1 |
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| 23:04.40 | Thunder_Child | damit, the stupidity is horrifying, i was afraid of that |
| 23:05.17 | Thunder_Child | "If I could use a rusty boxcutter to carve a new orifice in my body that's compatible with this link cable, I would already be doing it. I can just imagine the pure musical goodness that would flow through this cable into the wound and fill me completely -- like white, holy light. Holding this cable in my hands actually makes me feel that much closer to the Lord Jesus Christ." |
| 23:05.26 | Thunder_Child | i will pay someone to torture and kill this person |
| 23:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | pfft |
| 23:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 23:06.08 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "I liked my cable so much I bought one for my computer as well. Now my YouTube videos have much better bass definition, and the iTunes midrange is noticably warmer." |
| 23:06.57 | ScytheBlade1 | yes? yes? |
| 23:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You know you like it |
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| 23:07.16 | Arrowmaster | do all those reviews need a </sarcasem> for you? |
| 23:07.18 | cog|work | but... but... it's digital, no? |
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| 23:07.25 | Thunder_Child | or maybe |
| 23:07.27 | Thunder_Child | "A caution to people buying these: if you do not follow the "directional markings" on the cables, your music will play backwards. Please check that before mentioning it in your reviews. " |
| 23:07.28 | cog|work | wtf's the difference? |
| 23:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: what about analog over digital? how does that work? o_0 |
| 23:07.59 | Mikk | "Holding this cable in my hands actually makes me feel that much closer to the Lord Jesus Christ. I only make $6.25/hr at Jack In The Box, but I saved up for three months so I could have this cable." |
| 23:08.03 | Snago | Are the <---> arrows the "signal directional markings"? :S |
| 23:08.47 | Mikk | "I tried using the cable between my router and my computer and--all of a sudden--all pictures from the internet show women with highly detailed see-through clothing!" |
| 23:08.56 | Thunder_Child | "I'm quite positive that this cable uses a clearer font to transmit the 1s and 0s from between my components. Sure you're thinking. . .all 1s and 0s are created and transmitted equally, right? Wrong! This cable only sends Times New Roman Bold typeface 1s and 0s." |
| 23:09.33 | Thunder_Child | this product wins "greatest reviews ever" |
| 23:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Told you |
| 23:10.08 | Arrowmaster | i would laugh if it turned out that this 'DENON LINK III' their dvd players have that this cable is for turned out to be some analog audio connection |
| 23:10.37 | Arrowmaster | that uses RJ45 connecters |
| 23:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | You can see the headers on the denon product page |
| 23:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It's wired standard ethernet |
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| 23:12.27 | Arrowmaster | rofl, looking at their pdf |
| 23:12.42 | Arrowmaster | they have a sheild inside the connecter but it doesnt look like the cable is sheilded |
| 23:12.47 | Arrowmaster | thats awesome |
| 23:13.01 | Arrowmaster | since that actually makes the interference worse |
| 23:14.08 | Arrowmaster | i wana know who designed this |
| 23:14.45 | Arrowmaster | they should be shot for making the most expensive and absolutely worst cable ever since its completely wrong |
| 23:15.08 | Gnarfoz | worst part: |
| 23:15.25 | Gnarfoz | Denon is probably making more money off one of these than what I earn in a month. |
| 23:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If there was ever a product more deserving of the "I wish I had thought of it first" award |
| 23:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd be a $500 ethernet cable |
| 23:16.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 23:16.16 | Anaral | For a visual learner, would AddOn Studio be worth the download? |
| 23:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Or rather, a $500 1.5 meter ethernet cable |
| 23:17.58 | Arrowmaster | $500 1.5 meter ethernet cable, that is worse than a $1 ethernet cabled because its a sheilded cable but the connecters arent sheilded, the sheilding must connect with the ground on both ends or it makes it a lot worse than an unsheilded cable |
| 23:18.05 | Thunder_Child | lol, sounds like an olymipc sport ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:18.16 | Thunder_Child | olympic* |
| 23:25.41 | MentalPower | "Denon Link: Connected via a shielded twisted pair (STP) RJ-45 fitted cable to a Denon Link-compliant A/V amplifier, the balanced signal transfer offers lower voltage than coaxial or unbalanced cables. Since Denon Link is far less susceptible to radiated noise, it ensures the highest level of signal transfer. The Denon Link interface is able to transfer high grade LPCM 24-bit, 192kHz,... |
| 23:25.43 | MentalPower | ...2-channel and 96kHz, 24-bit, multi-channel digital output. Denon Digital Link uses low-voltage differential signaling (LVDS). Transfer capabilities of greater than 1.2 Gbps at a differential voltage of approximately 0.3 Vpp are possible. For additional information, visit the Denon Tech Showcase." |
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| 23:26.01 | MentalPower | its not ethernet, but its still digital |
| 23:27.01 | Thunder_Child | what uses rj-45 jacks for digital i/o? |
| 23:27.06 | Mikk | Well.. people in mass are idiots |
| 23:27.15 | Mikk | Smart people make money off them |
| 23:27.29 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: ^^^^ |
| 23:27.40 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: the denon Link foo |
| 23:27.51 | Thunder_Child | ~lart MentalPower |
| 23:27.51 | purl | changes MentalPower's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 23:27.56 | MentalPower | aka, what you're supposed to buy the $500 cable for |
| 23:27.59 | Arrowmaster | but the connecters on the cable arent sheilded |
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| 23:28.25 | Mikk | To be slightly activist, I'd say that one of the most glaring examples was when clothing companies started sticking huge logotypes on their clothes. Normally, you'd think they'd pay people to be walking commercial poles for them. But no, instead they raise the prices. And people bought! |
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| 23:29.15 | MentalPower | Mikk: ripped jeans are more expensive than perfectly new ones, thats another that I don't get |
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| 23:29.55 | Mikk | Well that one they can at least motivate with having to make a normal pair and THEN do MORE work with them. |
| 23:30.37 | MentalPower | granted, they're still broken jeans tho |
| 23:30.50 | Mikk | very true |
| 23:31.01 | Mikk | get a ripped sofa and you report a defect and return it |
| 23:31.30 | Mikk | Still doesn't beat people tatooing nike swooshes on them! |
| 23:31.49 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/CRE_Murloc-06850038_ful.jpg My poor attempt at spore murlocs |
| 23:31.56 | Thunder_Child | like they say, "Less is More" |
| 23:32.01 | Cide | not too bad |
| 23:32.10 | Thunder_Child | they just dont tell you the more part is cost |
| 23:32.11 | Cide | but I don't think I would guess they're murlocs :) |
| 23:32.17 | Cide | they're pretty good looking though |
| 23:32.31 | Cide | the face kind of ruins it |
| 23:32.40 | Cide | in terms of murloc-similarities, that is |
| 23:32.54 | Cide | </review> |
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| 23:33.28 | Mikk | Kaso: oooo nice |
| 23:33.54 | Mikk | i need to get spore |
| 23:33.54 | Kaso | prob couldve done coloring better |
| 23:34.02 | foxlit | ooh, fancy tries |
| 23:34.12 | foxlit | s/i/e/ |
| 23:34.15 | Kaso | its annoying how everything has to be symmeterical |
| 23:34.24 | Kaso | so i couldnt just place one fin on the back had to be a pair |
| 23:34.28 | memeyou | ahh finally fixed cryo2 to not use the stupid DAMAGE log to "guess" who broke sheep - guessing is bad mkay! |
| 23:34.42 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, ot can be one, it just has to be on the top |
| 23:34.48 | Thunder_Child | s/ot/it/ |
| 23:35.02 | Kaso | yah but if you try to rotate it then it splits up again into two |
| 23:35.15 | Thunder_Child | right |
| 23:35.54 | Kaso | i couldnt get it to go right |
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| 23:36.20 | Kaso | The spore creation tool is good for doing abstract creatues fast, but not good for doing specific creatues in detail |
| 23:36.50 | nobbe | What project are you working on Kaso? |
| 23:36.58 | Kaso | project? |
| 23:37.00 | Pizik | Kaso: love the murloc ;oD |
| 23:37.09 | Kaso | Nothing just playing around with spore creature creator |
| 23:37.09 | nobbe | Yeah that you're modelling for |
| 23:37.13 | nobbe | Oh. |
| 23:37.30 | Kaso | check it out, its fun. |
| 23:37.37 | wereHamster | Kaso: does it run under wine? |
| 23:37.45 | Kaso | im not sure i havent tried |
| 23:37.54 | wereHamster | wine 1.0 :) |
| 23:37.58 | nobbe | I might do that when i've ran outta WoW-movies to watch at work ;p |
| 23:38.23 | Kaso | it has a Mac port so it must use opengl, and usually things with mac ports run on wine well |
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| 23:38.41 | nobbe | I'm actually considering applying for a job at blizzard once i've been here for a year or two |
| 23:38.56 | wereHamster | Kaso: *cough*WoW*cough* |
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| 23:39.07 | Kaso | wow works well doesnt it? |
| 23:39.23 | wereHamster | it does ;) |
| 23:39.31 | Kaso | oh, yah i see then |
| 23:39.31 | nobbe | I'm having close to none problems running wow |
| 23:39.38 | foxlit | Last I heard there were still hooks to jump through with wow on linux |
| 23:40.47 | Kaso | i havent tried wine 1.0 yet but i want to, it sounds really good |
| 23:43.55 | NightHawkTheSane | heh.. "Man Gets Windows Vista to work with printer". And it's not even a fake headline. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141343.asp |
| 23:46.40 | nobbe | Btw guys, where can i get itemrack 1.9? |
| 23:46.53 | nobbe | The 2.0 versions doesn't support events it seems. |
| 23:47.13 | JoshBorke | nobbe: does 1.9 work in 2.4? |
| 23:47.18 | nobbe | Checked archived on wowinterface but did only find 2.4 |
| 23:47.35 | nobbe | No idea Josh, was gonna try and see. The notes says to rollback to 1.9 |
| 23:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4148-ItemRack.html |
| 23:48.15 | nobbe | Ah ffs there it is. Now im feeling like a moron :p |
| 23:48.27 | nobbe | Thanks NightHawk ;) |
| 23:48.34 | NightHawkTheSane | considering that typing "ItemRack" into wowi |
| 23:48.43 | NightHawkTheSane | wowi's search box brings it up.. you should. ;) |
| 23:49.16 | nobbe | I might give Outfitter another go though |
| 23:49.25 | Gnarfoz | ItemRack pwns. |
| 23:49.43 | nobbe | I'm mainly whining cause im playing war now and want to autoequipt shield when entering defensive in pvp |
| 23:49.44 | Gnarfoz | and yes, 1.9x versions have worked since 2.0 |
| 23:50.03 | Gnarfoz | too bad the only thing missing from 2.0 are event based actions |
| 23:50.13 | nobbe | Aye, it's a bummer. |
| 23:50.26 | Gnarfoz | no matter though, 1.992 works fine as it is |
| 23:50.47 | nobbe | Btw guys, im sick of my server. Anyone able to recommend a EU pvp realm with active horde PVP'ers? |
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| 23:59.02 | bleeter | interesting news from ATI there wrt their latest card |
