| 00:00.12 | Kaso | you guys are missing out |
| 00:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 00:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI can tell between a spell miss and a spell resist now |
| 00:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Hooooly crap |
| 00:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 00:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | DAMAGE ABSORPTION IS NOW DISPLAYED |
| 00:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 00:00.49 | Shirik | wtf is a spell miss? |
| 00:00.58 | kd3 | level-based |
| 00:00.59 | foxlit | not a spell hit |
| 00:01.10 | Shirik | how can a spell miss? |
| 00:01.16 | zenzelezz | so it's two o'clock in the morning, I'm walking home from town, and as I pass by a graveyard it suddenly hits me... there are no zombies there |
| 00:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it'll show as "resist" |
| 00:01.16 | NightHawkTheSane | the same way a melee attack can miss |
| 00:01.19 | kd3 | why do we need 14% hit to hit bosses? |
| 00:01.24 | Shirik | right |
| 00:01.25 | foxlit | ^16 |
| 00:01.27 | Shirik | but it resists.... |
| 00:01.33 | kd3 | it's "called" a resist |
| 00:01.35 | kd3 | it's a miss |
| 00:01.38 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: right now two mechanics report as "resists" - spell misses, and resistance based resists |
| 00:01.41 | Shirik | then what's a resist? |
| 00:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: a "resist" for spells is resistance based resists. |
| 00:01.50 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:01.51 | kd3 | fire resist aura + fireball |
| 00:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | See: fire resist gear |
| 00:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | miss is hit-rating missed resist. :P |
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| 00:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | If you, as a level one, throw a fireball at a level 70 |
| 00:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll show "resist" when in fact it meant a miss |
| 00:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why that small, subtle change is HUGE |
| 00:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Never before have we been able to 100% accurately tell the difference between a miss and a resist |
| 00:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | We can match numbers with stats, sure |
| 00:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's it, we can't tell if the spell missed or if it was resisted |
| 00:03.14 | foxlit | Never again will anyone care :) |
| 00:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That + us knowing how much damage was absorbed by a shield after a full absorb |
| 00:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Those changes make me all sorts of happy |
| 00:05.01 | NightHawkTheSane | the latter will be nice for figuring out exactly how much damage is left on your shield |
| 00:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:05.28 | NightHawkTheSane | which, 9/10 is going to be "who cares, it got removed in one hit anyway", but i digress. :D |
| 00:05.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | er, 9/10 times* |
| 00:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah oh well |
| 00:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:05.51 | Shirik | eh |
| 00:05.53 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll be able to tell a healer's (or mage's) spell damage based on the amount absorbed |
| 00:05.54 | Shirik | RoS maybe |
| 00:06.07 | Shirik | my shield can absorb what, 3.5k? |
| 00:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | By breaking shields we'll be able to get their +dmg amount, hahaha |
| 00:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | We also get exact overhealing numbers in the combat log |
| 00:11.17 | Shirik | how is that affected by shields? |
| 00:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | In the mage case, your +dmg gives you a boost to the amount absorbed by your shields (Mana, Ice, Fire/Frost Wards) |
| 00:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise by watching the total damage taken before the shield goes poof, you can figure out +/- 1 point how much +dmg they're sporting |
| 00:12.36 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:12.43 | Shirik | no, how is overhealing affected by shields? |
| 00:12.45 | Drundia | now if they'd actually let spells reach 100% chance to hit since melee can already get rid of all misses/dodges/parries...... |
| 00:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 00:12.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's unrelated :P |
| 00:12.53 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, sorry |
| 00:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That's "in addition to what has been mentioned" |
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| 00:13.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: overhealing numbers in the log, hmm... |
| 00:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: yup, no more guestimation to give us overhealing numbers |
| 00:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i wonder how that will show up for those slightly mistimed heals that land for 7k but the target still dies. |
| 00:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That way we can accurately see how much Shirik fails at the priest game ;) |
| 00:14.15 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: it'll be interesting to see |
| 00:15.29 | Drundia | when it lands when target is "already dead" chances are that it will be counted as real healing |
| 00:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Drundia: depends on when the "lol this unit is dead" event comes across |
| 00:16.15 | Drundia | yes i know sometimes you get huge heal, but you were already negative and death is registered anyway |
| 00:17.39 | Drundia | or it won't be reported at all, just like damage missiles when unit enters "sanctuary" while it is en-route |
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| 00:19.49 | Lunessa | cog|away_: Ping |
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| 00:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116274205&pageNo=3#47 |
| 00:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That is an amazingly good signature |
| 00:25.44 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Windows Media Center + Tuner Box + cable = joy. |
| 00:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | (The quoted text, right above that post) |
| 00:49.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: well, its a moderately clever use of ascii, i wouldn't say "amazingly good", though |
| 00:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: The content is amazing ;) |
| 00:49.34 | NightHawkTheSane | meh. |
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| 03:14.36 | Mike-N-Go | How does one refer to a target of target in a macro? Is there something like %T for the target, but for the target's target? |
| 03:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to script it |
| 03:15.09 | Corrodias | targettarget, unless you're trying to do text i guess |
| 03:15.28 | Mike-N-Go | Trying to output to text the target's target. |
| 03:15.42 | Mike-N-Go | Guess I will have to do a SendChatMessage()? |
| 03:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 03:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah you have to script it |
| 03:16.26 | Corrodias | i just bought a grill and tried it out today. result, excellent: http://zip.4chan.org/ck/res/477135.html |
| 03:19.02 | Corrodias | i'm so happy! ^_^ |
| 03:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | not. clicking. 4chan link. |
| 03:25.53 | Corrodias | ck is "cooking", a worksafe board |
| 03:26.08 | Corrodias | not, as i like to call it, co/ck/. |
| 03:26.17 | NightHawkTheSane | 4chan is 4chan.. a more vile home of scum and villany you will not find. |
| 03:27.43 | Corrodias | true, but that thread at least is safe |
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| 03:28.18 | Corrodias | well, the last image is of a cooking magazine titled 'COCK'S illustrated" but that hardly counts |
| 03:28.28 | Corrodias | it just has watermelons on the cover |
| 03:28.46 | NightHawkTheSane | "melons" im sure. |
| 03:30.04 | Corrodias | it has a high-res image of my meal. >_< i must share! |
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| 04:25.44 | hkyeakley | anyone in tonight or is everyone raiding? |
| 04:27.15 | dylanm | People are around. |
| 04:27.29 | dylanm | purl for example. |
| 04:28.38 | hkyeakley | I'm wondering if there is a function that will open the gossip pane on an NPC I have targeted. |
| 04:29.05 | hkyeakley | wowwiki shows that there is a CloseGossip() function, but I can't seem to find an OpenGossip() function. |
| 04:29.57 | dylanm | I don't think it can be done. |
| 04:30.11 | dylanm | This gets brought up a lot. |
| 04:30.23 | hkyeakley | I see |
| 04:30.54 | Corrodias | unrequited love ;( |
| 04:31.04 | hkyeakley | The horde on my server don't want us alliance completing the unlocking of the epic gem vendor, so they are all standing on top of her so none of us can turn in the quest. |
| 04:31.18 | dylanm | hkyeakley: You've tried turning on nameplates? |
| 04:31.56 | hkyeakley | So I was trying to see if I could write a macro that targets the NPC, opening the gossip panel, then I think I can figure out the functions to select and turn in the quest from there. |
| 04:32.03 | hkyeakley | and yes, I've turned on name plates. |
| 04:32.11 | dylanm | No dice? |
| 04:32.24 | hkyeakley | there's just too many people here. If I try to right click on her I'll attack a horde and the guards will kill me. |
| 04:32.50 | Corrodias | call a GM |
| 04:32.53 | hkyeakley | I have her targeted, which is why I was wondering if there was something like an OpenGossip() function. |
| 04:32.57 | dylanm | The nameplate is moving around? And yeah, that is actionable. |
| 04:33.00 | Corrodias | i don't know whether they bother to do anything about it, though |
| 04:33.04 | dylanm | hkyeakley: Yeah, there isn't. |
| 04:33.17 | hkyeakley | *sigh* |
| 04:34.01 | hkyeakley | Is this something Blizzard "forgot" to put in the API or intentionally left out? |
| 04:34.04 | dylanm | I wonder if you could manipulate the nameplate... but surely the actual interaction area of it is controlled by something more internal. |
| 04:34.08 | hkyeakley | would it make botting to easy? |
| 04:34.38 | dylanm | Otherwise we would have gotten at it already. |
| 04:36.32 | hkyeakley | wowwiki has a footnote on the page for the GetGossipActiveQuests() function that this is usually used after the "GOSSIP_SHOW" event. Is it possible from the command line to fire the GOSSIP_SHOW event? |
| 04:38.58 | Snago | afaik there's no way to interact with an NPC without rightclicking |
| 04:39.06 | dylanm | hkyeakley: Clicking on the NPC makes that fire and GetGossipActiveQuests() work. The causation doesn't quite work out. |
| 04:39.50 | dylanm | As in, you could set event = "GOSSIP_SHOW" and call Gossip_OnEvent() but it wouldn't do you much good. |
| 04:40.05 | dylanm | That sucks for you :-/ nameplates have always worked out for me. |
| 04:40.20 | dylanm | It's a worth a petition I think. |
| 04:42.09 | hkyeakley | petition to run the horde off or to have blizzard add an OpenGossip() function to the API? |
| 04:42.33 | hkyeakley | (and the nameplate is working for me, I didn't know you could do that.) |
| 04:42.38 | Corrodias | both? :) |
| 04:42.53 | hkyeakley | awesome, well thanks for your help. |
| 04:43.46 | Corrodias | you're just trying to get at the steak i ate :( |
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| 04:45.04 | Fisker- | yup |
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| 04:45.45 | Corrodias | the crispy crust from charring the marinade-soaked bits was exquisite. |
| 04:46.18 | Fisker- | i must consume faster |
| 04:47.08 | Corrodias | for a marinade, i had low sodium soy sauce, worchestershire sauce, garlic powder, and freshly ground pepper. woot! |
| 04:47.42 | Corrodias | my friend likes to use olive oil. i don't have any of that, but i hear it's nice |
| 04:47.58 | Corrodias | i mean, as an ingredient, not as the whole thing |
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| 05:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | epic http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcritz/2572136907/ |
| 05:26.36 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 05:35.57 | Thunder_Child | I wonder if thats done on purpose seeing as there was a blockbuster near me that had the same thing |
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| 05:50.01 | NightHawkTheSane | are you sure it's not the same blockbuster? |
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| 05:57.30 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:57.34 | Thunder_Child | this one wasnt on a corner |
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| 06:20.08 | Fisker- | hai Thunder_Child |
| 06:21.01 | Fisker- | http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=ast-500000021106%3Asast-500000021106 \/this is you |
| 06:21.03 | Fisker- | :I |
| 06:22.18 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, i wish...that guy is cool |
| 06:23.25 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, beta? |
| 06:24.17 | Fisker- | nah |
| 06:24.22 | Fisker- | the trial |
| 06:25.28 | Thunder_Child | says it's not out till the 17th |
| 06:26.08 | Fisker- | that's how it goes when you try to mess with the internets |
| 06:26.26 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, your such a liar |
| 06:26.32 | Fisker- | no |
| 06:27.20 | Thunder_Child | ~liar Fisker- |
| 06:27.29 | Thunder_Child | thanks for the help purl |
| 06:27.59 | Fisker- | purl knows the score |
| 06:30.12 | Fisker- | anyways why am i a liar? :( |
| 06:30.52 | Thunder_Child | the trial.... |
| 06:32.20 | Fisker- | ? |
| 06:33.14 | Fisker- | no lies ;_; |
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| 06:45.07 | haviers | is there any way to make wow addon studio "see" the default blizzard xml? every time I try to open a xml file I get an error. |
| 06:48.11 | Thunder_Child | ask the author to do it? |
| 06:51.31 | haviers | well I think, and I really have no idea, but the first line in all the xml files somehow referance wow's xml files... |
| 06:51.59 | haviers | this is my first attempt at anything xml... so I could be way off |
| 06:58.40 | Tekkub | hey you PvPenis types... arena vendors... these like the raid tier vendors, one per "season" |
| 06:58.41 | Tekkub | ? |
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| 08:32.05 | Thunder_Child | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39029453,49297352-1,00.htm |
| 08:41.41 | Thunder_Child | the ultimate gift for fathers day. http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/nothing/index.html |
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| 09:31.53 | qwesto | Tekkub, looks that way, at least when comparing http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=25179 and http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=19857 |
| 09:44.38 | nobbe | I've never written an addon for wow yet but you guys recon it'd be hard making proximo work as perl unitframes instead of that tiny window that doesn't show buffs or anything? |
| 09:51.06 | Drundia | hard is relative |
| 09:57.13 | nobbe | Indeed, LUA seems pretty easy to learn though |
| 09:57.46 | nobbe | And im not a complete newbie. Been programming abit of C/ASM back in the days |
| 09:58.06 | nevcairiel | knowing ASM probably doesnt help you, heh |
| 09:58.15 | nobbe | Ofc not |
| 09:58.28 | nobbe | But im just saying im no stranger to programming |
| 09:58.51 | nevcairiel | But yeah, Lua is really easy to understand |
| 09:58.56 | nobbe | Even though LUA is totally different to what i've been working with previously |
| 09:59.57 | nobbe | Perhaps it'd be alot easier just implementing the features i want into Promixo |
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| 11:25.29 | Atriace | "Why is his head so big?" |
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| 11:53.25 | Atriace | What's the command for Luabot? >>lua ? |
| 11:54.12 | Atriace | >>lua print a |
| 11:54.18 | Atriace | >lua print a |
| 11:54.35 | Atriace | grr.... give me an error or something. >_< |
| 11:54.39 | durcyn | lua> |
| 11:54.42 | Atriace | danka |
| 11:55.08 | krka | lua> "hello world" |
| 11:55.08 | lua_bot | krka: hello world |
| 11:58.48 | Atriace | lua> start, finish = string.find("funky_debuff_1", ("_buff_" or "_debuff_", 1, true); if start then print (start .. ", " .. finish); end |
| 11:58.48 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: ')' expected near ',' |
| 11:59.34 | Atriace | lua> start, finish = string.find("funky_debuff_1", ("_buff_" or "_debuff_"), 1, true); if start then print (start .. ", " .. finish); end |
| 11:59.35 | lua_bot | Atriace: No output |
| 12:00.11 | Atriace | lua> start, finish = string.find("funky_debuff_1", ("_buff_" or "_debuff_"), 1, true); if start then print (start .. ", " .. finish); else print "fail" end |
| 12:00.12 | lua_bot | Atriace: fail |
| 12:00.28 | Atriace | lua> start, finish = string.find("funky_debuff_1", ("_debuff_"), 1, true); if start then print (start .. ", " .. finish); else print "fail" end |
| 12:00.29 | lua_bot | Atriace: 6, 13 |
| 12:00.32 | Atriace | grr |
| 12:01.22 | nevcairiel | that looks like really not understanding how "or" works =P |
| 12:01.38 | Atriace | hehe |
| 12:02.04 | Atriace | Well, I had hoped it would test it twice under both conditions, but that's just silly. |
| 12:02.34 | nevcairiel | yes, it is :P |
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| 12:21.48 | Atriace | How do you make a variable equal to the key value of a table entry? |
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| 12:32.08 | Lunessa | ... station! |
| 12:34.07 | Atriace | Mmm? |
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| 13:17.38 | Atriace | Somehow... my table is being deleted before I can use it in my code. Is it possible WoW considers it garbage and is deleting it? |
| 13:18.10 | Atriace | Because I just combed through my code, and I don't see any reference in it that could be dropping it. |
| 13:18.25 | foxlit | No; it can't be garbage if you can still reference it |
| 13:19.06 | foxlit | pastey the code? |
| 13:19.16 | Atriace | heh... heh.... right.... ugh... |
| 13:19.28 | Atriace | all 3912 lines of code? |
| 13:19.42 | Atriace | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.12 | foxlit | the relevant 3, hopefully :) |
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| 13:22.42 | Atriace | The bug could be anywhere... so I've pasteyed the whole thing. I know, I'm cringing too. |
| 13:22.52 | Atriace | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89533 |
| 13:23.03 | Atriace | The problem is with suiData.unit |
| 13:23.48 | Atriace | by the time the mod is fully loaded, I get the error at 2565: "attempt to index field 'unit' (a nil value)" |
| 13:24.26 | Atriace | Except it shows up immediately after the Sui_InitializeVariables() is finished and up to Sui_Setup() |
| 13:25.46 | Atriace | past that, it seems to be replaced by the other data that I'm putting into suiData. Using Inspector, I only have the ragtag of other variables placed into suiData such as suiData.scale |
| 13:26.38 | Lunessa | Sounds like an initialization of your variables problem. |
| 13:27.13 | Atriace | I don't see how. They register fine early on. |
| 13:27.48 | foxlit | I don't suppose that's also a saved variable? |
| 13:28.00 | Atriace | suiData is, yes. |
| 13:28.02 | foxlit | (btw: lines 2633-2634: you used i as a hash table index, you mean array index) |
| 13:28.03 | Lunessa | ... check for places where you accidentally did "=" when you mean "==" |
| 13:28.24 | foxlit | Then it's very simple |
| 13:28.31 | foxlit | Sui_OnLoad() is called from some frame's OnLoad? |
| 13:28.50 | Atriace | uh... yeah, actually. |
| 13:29.05 | foxlit | Your initalized variable is overwritten by your saved variable |
| 13:29.40 | foxlit | Postpone your initialization until ADDON_LOADED fires for your addon; at which time you would have our saved variables and be able to modify them :) |
| 13:30.39 | Atriace | I think you're right. |
| 13:31.18 | Atriace | Though, what's the difference between a hash table index and an array index? |
| 13:31.48 | foxlit | I used the terms a bit losely |
| 13:32.03 | foxlit | You did array.i.value = foo; you meant array[i].value = foo |
| 13:32.57 | Atriace | I thought it was syntactical sugar to use .i vs. [i] |
| 13:32.58 | foxlit | generally, the first is equivalent to array["i"].value, and since "i" is a string, that'd always be stored in the hashtable portion |
| 13:33.20 | foxlit | while your intended use for i as a numeric index - which is generally the array potion :) |
| 13:33.48 | Atriace | so... array.i.value infers i is a string? |
| 13:33.53 | foxlit | yes |
| 13:33.57 | Atriace | I see. |
| 13:34.03 | foxlit | (so is value, by the way) |
| 13:34.21 | Atriace | Wow, it's working now. |
| 13:34.27 | Atriace | Thanks a bundle, foxlit. |
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| 13:51.16 | Lunessa | There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
| 13:51.29 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 13:51.39 | nevcairiel | How old |
| 13:52.18 | Snago | at least 101 years old |
| 13:52.52 | nevcairiel | i bet even more like 110 |
| 13:54.24 | Lunessa | That joke is pretty old, but I needed it out of my head. The only way to get it out was to inflict it on people. |
| 14:03.27 | Atriace | I can't remember how you test for nil |
| 14:03.50 | nevcairiel | a == nil? |
| 14:04.21 | Atriace | if varA-=nil then; returns an error saying "attempt to index field 'varA' (a nil value)" |
| 14:05.18 | Snago | ~pil |
| 14:05.19 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 14:05.53 | Snago | Read it, learn it, love it, |
| 14:07.01 | Lukian | Atriace just needs to learn basic operators :p |
| 14:07.13 | foxlit | I don't think that's it |
| 14:07.20 | Atriace | Pardon me? |
| 14:07.42 | foxlit | You'd get a very different error if you actually typed -= |
| 14:07.57 | foxlit | what is varA, exactly? |
| 14:08.09 | Atriace | table key |
| 14:08.15 | Atriace | string |
| 14:08.20 | foxlit | copy the exact line :) |
| 14:08.41 | foxlit | point is, that error message suggests you're doing something like |
| 14:08.51 | foxlit | tableThatExists.keyThatDoesNotExist.valueToCheck == nil |
| 14:09.18 | Atriace | Correct |
| 14:10.03 | foxlit | The error occurs once it tries to evaluate tableThatExists.keyThatDoesNotExist.valueToCheck |
| 14:10.14 | foxlit | which is roughly (nil).valueToCheck |
| 14:10.22 | foxlit | since nils can't be tables, that throws an error |
| 14:10.52 | Atriace | but... it's a nil. Ergo, if it nil==nil it would return true, no? |
| 14:11.04 | Atriace | or is it just stopping before the evaluation because of the "goof" |
| 14:11.20 | foxlit | nil==nil would return true, yes; it is stopping the evaluation because it cannot continue, yes. |
| 14:11.27 | Atriace | doh |
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| 14:39.03 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate= o_O |
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| 15:18.59 | Lunessa | Yeah, I didn't laugh. It /looks/ funny, but really, it wasn't. |
| 15:21.44 | Fisker- | hey Lunessa |
| 15:21.51 | Fisker- | i still own you a destruction |
| 15:22.37 | Lunessa | Still playing the PA game? |
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| 15:23.07 | Fisker- | no |
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| 15:23.14 | Fisker- | i'm planning your destruction |
| 15:23.16 | Fisker- | yours too Shirik |
| 15:23.36 | Lunessa | I'll take my destruction in the form of 100+ proof liquor and hookers please. |
| 15:24.31 | Snago | lol @ http://www.explosm.net/comics/1311/ |
| 15:24.42 | Fisker- | not an option |
| 15:25.43 | Lunessa | Snago: That's pretty bad. I lawled. |
| 15:26.19 | Lunessa | Fisker-: But... that's the ultimate rock-star self-destuction. And you could make money selling the video. |
| 15:29.07 | Fisker- | i don't showboat |
| 15:30.35 | foxlit | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1310/ |
| 15:30.38 | foxlit | interesting relation with cad |
| 15:32.28 | Lunessa | Yeah foxlit, that struck me too. |
| 15:33.11 | Nom- | Hickory what? Smoked what? |
| 15:35.19 | Kaso | foxlit that is my fav comic by C&H ever |
| 15:36.10 | foxlit | halp, surrounded by kobolds |
| 15:36.35 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 15:36.42 | Shirik | but I almost never understand that comic |
| 15:36.45 | Shirik | I guess I'm not evil enough |
| 15:36.55 | foxlit | the comic? |
| 15:37.00 | Kaso | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20080602 (then read the attached news post) |
| 15:37.11 | foxlit | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20080602 |
| 15:37.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:37.13 | foxlit | and associated news |
| 15:37.28 | Kaso | news = http://cad-comic.com/news.php?i=1636 |
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| 15:37.56 | Kaso | when i saw buckley's comic and news, what i had i my mind was almost exactly the C&H comic, its so perfect |
| 15:38.24 | foxlit | "GENO" on the door in cad, though? |
| 15:38.37 | foxlit | can't quite place it n a word :/ |
| 15:52.40 | Kaso | foxlit, could it be a miss-spelling of "gynecology" by buckley? |
| 15:54.49 | foxlit | Allowing for misspellings it could well be anything :) |
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| 15:58.39 | nevcairiel | kinda harsh that explosm just copy/pasted the text in there |
| 15:58.51 | nevcairiel | from the cad news |
| 16:02.42 | Fisker- | it was awesome |
| 16:09.06 | foxlit | Hm, think I'm done |
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| 16:09.34 | foxlit | Updated http://spirit-dreams.net/or/getdevbeta again (changelog: http://spirit-dreams.net/or/release/dev5 ), probably the last non-public beta |
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| 16:26.57 | Gnarfoz | <foxlit> "GENO" on the door in cad, though? <-- it's "GENC" |
| 16:27.07 | Gnarfoz | which is part of EMER GENC Y, I'd say |
| 16:45.41 | MentalPower | theres the first part of the Emergency on the other door (rather warped) |
| 16:46.13 | foxlit | I don't think you can read what, if anything in particular, is on that first door :) |
| 16:46.17 | Snago | Nope, it's the second part again.. (the door opens in) |
| 16:46.44 | Snago | It looks like warped "GENCY" to me |
| 16:55.29 | Kaso | after doing a bit of csi-ing in photoshop the other door does appear to have "GE<unreadable>CY" on it |
| 16:55.50 | Kaso | But why would both doors have the last part of emergancy on it? |
| 16:56.02 | Kaso | someone copy-pasted the doors! |
| 16:56.19 | Kaso | actually nno |
| 16:56.24 | Kaso | the other side is the outside |
| 16:56.32 | Kaso | so yeah, i think the emergancy theory is the best |
| 16:56.56 | Kaso | this is way too much thought into a CAD comic |
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| 20:08.50 | Tekkub | what raid bosses have a "Bring me his head so we can stick it on a pike and give everyone a buff" quest? |
| 20:09.08 | Stanzilla | magtheridon, onyxia |
| 20:09.14 | Lunessa | Onyxia, Kael'thas, Magtheridon... |
| 20:09.16 | ScytheBlade1 | nef |
| 20:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | M'uru in a sense |
| 20:09.31 | Tekkub | BC only :) |
| 20:09.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 20:09.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Not M'uru, but the new naruu in QD |
| 20:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | only spelled right |
| 20:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ... yes, M'uru, but it's a one time only thing |
| 20:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I should just give up and go back to sleep :/ |
| 20:10.22 | krka | don't forget Hogger |
| 20:11.21 | Tekkub | so only kael and mags? |
| 20:11.29 | Tekkub | no vashj or illibeans? |
| 20:11.34 | Tekkub | or archie? |
| 20:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | No vashj, no archie |
| 20:11.56 | digmouse | only kael and mag in TBC |
| 20:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno, maybe Kil'jadean, couldn't tell you yet :) |
| 20:12.17 | digmouse | and the buff of onyx and nef wont work for people 60+ |
| 20:13.10 | Tekkub | yea I'm just putting in sources for the quest rewards there |
| 20:13.27 | Tekkub | cause someone cried about it, Tem I think |
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| 20:16.01 | foxlit | archimonde = lowest key raiding boss :( |
| 20:16.33 | foxlit | Tyrande does some shout if someone actually bothers talking to her |
| 20:16.38 | foxlit | The end, no one else cares :/ |
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| 20:20.38 | Dreagar | anyone know where i might find a good how-to on scrolling frames? i can get it all setup, but can't get the data to stay inside the frame. it never scrolls. :( |
| 20:22.48 | Dreagar | hmm now that i think about it, i'm gettin ahead of myself, there's other things i need to fix first. lol. darnti |
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| 20:37.43 | Thunder_Child | "The 2008 Underhanded C Contest has just opened. Every year, contestants are asked to write a simple, innocent, readable C program that appears to perform an innocent task but implements some non-obvious evil behavior. This year's challenge: redact blocks from an image, but do it so that the excised pixels can somehow be retrieved." |
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| 20:56.17 | Shirik | I don't even know what that means o.o |
| 20:56.57 | nevcairiel | you fail |
| 20:57.05 | nevcairiel | read the contest assignment |
| 20:57.41 | Shirik | too hard :P |
| 20:58.01 | Shirik | besides, it should be done in a fun language |
| 20:58.29 | Dreagar | which comes first? VARIABLES LOADED or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 20:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That would almost entirely defeat the point, Shirik |
| 20:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, if you read the FAQ, other languages are allowed |
| 20:59.07 | wereHamster | Dreagar: var_loaded |
| 20:59.07 | Dreagar | thanks hamster |
| 20:59.08 | Shirik | I don't even have a link to this contest :P |
| 20:59.08 | Shirik | how am I supposed to (A) read the assignment, or (B) read the FAQ |
| 20:59.08 | Shirik | don't tell me to google it |
| 20:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | by reading slashdot |
| 20:59.20 | Shirik | I stopped reading slashdot a LONG time ago |
| 20:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/ |
| 20:59.39 | wereHamster | Dreagar: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
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| 20:59.47 | Fisker- | i am having my way with you Shirik |
| 20:59.53 | Shirik | oh really |
| 21:00.08 | Fisker- | ya rly |
| 21:00.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: read the last year runner ups and winners: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=9 |
| 21:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you'll see why that contest is awesome; ) |
| 21:01.05 | Shirik | too hard |
| 21:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | * ;) |
| 21:01.08 | Shirik | that means I have to double click |
| 21:01.15 | kd3 | rofl |
| 21:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Really, take a read |
| 21:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you'd enjoy the winner's description and entry |
| 21:05.28 | Atriace | Poor trout. |
| 21:05.39 | Fisker- | you wound me in the butt |
| 21:05.55 | Atriace | http://planktoninvasion.com/ |
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| 21:14.38 | zenzelezz | anyone familiar with the PPI/DPI relation? I can't seem to quite grasp it |
| 21:14.47 | zenzelezz | (pixels/dots per inch) |
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| 21:17.25 | Lunessa | Shirik: He's having his way with you? You're going to take that? |
| 21:17.37 | Atriace | Pixels are squares onscreen. In 1-inch square, if you had 10x10 grid of pixels that'd equate to 100 pixels per inch. Printing generally uses a inkjet process where dots are sprayed onto a sheet of paper. The dots are circles (obviously) and DPI is no difference in the definition as PPI. |
| 21:17.45 | Yssaril | zenzelezz: pixels refer to screen type displays dots refer to printed material |
| 21:19.03 | zenzelezz | Yssaril: that's what's confusing me... is there any general rule for how large pictures you could print (with professional printers) with for example 3000x2000 pixel images? |
| 21:19.26 | zenzelezz | I can find plenty of numbers floating around, but none that really tell me anything about what I'm looking for |
| 21:19.28 | Atriace | Depends on how far away you're looking at it. |
| 21:19.53 | Atriace | If it's something you're putting in your hand, you generally need a higher DPI. If it's a billboard, it can be fairly low. |
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| 21:20.06 | Yssaril | zenzelezz: you can print it at any size but the bigger you go the lower your DPI will get and the boxier it will look when you print it |
| 21:20.37 | Atriace | Exactumond. Point being, you can take that 3000x2000 resolution image to any size you feel COMFORTABLE with. |
| 21:20.45 | Yssaril | for regular paper size prints you want at the very least 150 DPI though 600 is optimal |
| 21:21.04 | Atriace | Rule of thumb for handheld printed material is no lower than 150 DPI (and preferably 300). |
| 21:21.07 | Atriace | Right |
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| 21:21.38 | Yssaril | posters are usually 70-150 billbords can go as low as 1 :P |
| 21:21.44 | Yssaril | if not lower |
| 21:22.02 | Atriace | Kinda like I.Qs :) |
| 21:22.08 | zenzelezz | well, what I'm aiming at is basically a poster from a picture; the bigger I could get it, the better... but not sure how high to aim for |
| 21:22.32 | Yssaril | how close are people gonna see this poster? |
| 21:22.42 | Yssaril | they gonna be a foot away or 5 foot? |
| 21:22.57 | Atriace | If you're doing a poster, I wouldn't bother with anything higher than 150. Maybe less. |
| 21:23.09 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing normally 150cm+ away |
| 21:23.18 | zenzelezz | the picture I already have is 3000x2000 pixels |
| 21:25.25 | Yssaril | can probably get away with 18x24in if it contains sharp lines (if its a photo you can proabbaly get away with 24x36in) fit proportionally that is :) |
| 21:25.42 | Atriace | Curious: do countries that use SI as opposed to the Imperial System use Pixels Per Inch in their countries when refering to screen resolution? |
| 21:26.36 | Yssaril | good question |
| 21:26.51 | zenzelezz | personally I don't know |
| 21:26.53 | Yssaril | zenzelezz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch |
| 21:29.31 | Atriace | Is there a reason why a saved variable (which is a table) wouldn't be saved? |
| 21:29.55 | MentalPower | Atriace: is it actually a flat table? |
| 21:30.01 | MentalPower | or does it have a metatable |
| 21:30.01 | foxlit | Atriace: has little to do with what system of units the country uses, generally |
| 21:30.03 | Atriace | No. |
| 21:30.07 | Atriace | no metatable. |
| 21:30.10 | Atriace | Nested tables |
| 21:30.17 | MentalPower | recursive? |
| 21:30.28 | Atriace | er... as in it feeds into itself? |
| 21:30.32 | MentalPower | aye |
| 21:30.40 | Arrowmaster | recursive tables still save =D |
| 21:30.41 | MentalPower | t = {} t.t = t |
| 21:30.42 | Arrowmaster | _G |
| 21:30.43 | Atriace | I don't believe so- |
| 21:30.52 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: I know, still a good question |
| 21:31.12 | MentalPower | Atriace: I can't think of any reason then |
| 21:31.12 | Atriace | The table shows up in-game just fine. |
| 21:31.24 | Arrowmaster | if it is or was recursive, does your harddrive have any freespace left? |
| 21:31.30 | Atriace | lol |
| 21:31.34 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: that doesn't happen either |
| 21:31.38 | Arrowmaster | does too |
| 21:31.41 | Atriace | All 1.2TB available. |
| 21:31.50 | MentalPower | WoW just creates a comment saying "recursive here" or somesuch |
| 21:31.58 | Arrowmaster | oh rly? |
| 21:32.00 | Arrowmaster | thats new |
| 21:32.02 | Atriace | I was hoping for some sort of error log. |
| 21:32.06 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: try your _G one |
| 21:32.06 | Atriace | But I couldn't find any. |
| 21:32.13 | Zurik | is there a place that minifies LUA files? |
| 21:32.13 | krka | Zurik: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 21:32.20 | MentalPower | Zurik: minifies? |
| 21:32.26 | Zurik | yeah compresses |
| 21:32.32 | Arrowmaster | 7zip |
| 21:32.36 | MentalPower | err... zip? |
| 21:32.40 | Zurik | i have some large data |
| 21:32.45 | Zurik | no not into a zip file. |
| 21:32.56 | Zurik | i mean like compresses the code.. removes whitespaces etc. |
| 21:33.06 | Atriace | Why not just do a find-and-replace? |
| 21:33.09 | MentalPower | if you're looking to make Lua binary files, then no since WoW can't load them |
| 21:33.11 | Lunessa | Hrm... see Kung Fu Panda for $9.00 at 5:20PM or see it for $4.50 at 7:25pm... |
| 21:33.18 | Arrowmaster | all the whitespace is going to be tabs, not lots of spaces |
| 21:33.20 | MentalPower | $4.50 |
| 21:33.38 | Thunder_Child | wait...it's cheaper later? |
| 21:33.53 | Zurik | well they have javascript compression tools.. but my file is too big to load into them. |
| 21:34.04 | Arrowmaster | Zurik: your not likely to get much saved from triming whitespace |
| 21:34.09 | Zurik | was just wondering if they had somethign that would minify lua code. |
| 21:34.28 | Lunessa | I can go to a theater which caps it's price at $4.50 - it's further away from the office, but the show time is less appealing. |
| 21:34.30 | Zurik | no? |
| 21:34.34 | Atriace | I think perhaps "mitigate" might be a better word-choice, Zurik. |
| 21:34.35 | Zurik | hrm. ok. |
| 21:34.36 | Arrowmaster | not that i know of |
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| 21:38.02 | Atriace | Is there a list (somewhere) of what cannot be stored into a saved var? |
| 21:38.09 | Lunessa | Yeah, I guess I'll go to the later, cheaper show. I'll eat dinner and browse through "WoW Programming" while I wait. |
| 21:38.26 | foxlit | stuff that wouldn't persist |
| 21:38.30 | foxlit | coroutines, functions |
| 21:38.33 | foxlit | userdata |
| 21:38.40 | Atriace | userdata... |
| 21:38.53 | Atriace | userdata? |
| 21:39.05 | foxlit | Chances are you aren't trying to save that :) |
| 21:39.19 | Atriace | What's userdata in WoW? |
| 21:39.20 | foxlit | Types defined by the host application |
| 21:39.27 | foxlit | Any UI widget, basically |
| 21:39.34 | Atriace | hmm... |
| 21:39.56 | Atriace | Alright, I think I might have an answer then. |
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| 21:43.33 | Atriace | a key can have a nil table value, right? |
| 21:43.50 | dylanm | Atriace: No. |
| 21:44.01 | Atriace | [1] = nil, |
| 21:44.20 | Atriace | not [nil] = something, |
| 21:44.33 | dylanm | lua> pp{[1]=nil, [2]=3} |
| 21:44.34 | lua_bot | dylanm: { [2] = 3 } (#1) |
| 21:45.08 | Atriace | So, yes. It just won't be recorded. |
| 21:45.35 | Kaso | you can imagen a table when made filled with an infinte number nils for each possible key |
| 21:45.46 | alestane | Atriace: Any value x where t[x] == nil is not considered a value stored in the table. It's an empty key. |
| 21:45.47 | Kaso | when you set it back to nil it goes back to how it was when the table was formed |
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| 21:46.13 | dylanm | {} is the one true table. |
| 21:46.27 | Kaso | Why does that pretty print function give #1 for that table? |
| 21:46.39 | Kaso | #{[1]=nil, [2]=3} == zero |
| 21:47.09 | dylanm | Kaso: It keeps track of the identity of tables... it's not really useful information in this case. |
| 21:48.23 | Kaso | oh, so that isnt telling you the size of the table |
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| 21:49.34 | dylanm | lua> a={1}; pp{a, {1}, a} |
| 21:49.34 | lua_bot | dylanm: { { 1 } (#2), { 1 } (#3), <table: #2> } (#1) |
| 21:49.51 | Zurik | is there a function to check if an addon is loaded? |
| 21:49.53 | Kaso | lua> string.dump(pp) |
| 21:49.54 | lua_bot | Kaso: LuaQ |
| 21:50.10 | dylanm | Stuff like that. In less contrived situations it could be useful :p |
| 21:50.12 | Kaso | damn unprintable charaters! |
| 21:50.53 | Kaso | Zurik, unsurprisingly IsAddOnLoaded(index or "AddOnName") |
| 21:51.33 | dylanm | !api IsAddOnLoaded |
| 21:51.33 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsAddOnLoaded' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsAddOnLoaded |
| 21:52.03 | Kaso | Returns: loaded - 1 is the addon is loaded, nil otherwise (1nil) |
| 21:52.06 | Kaso | 1nil? |
| 21:52.15 | Zurik | kk.. thx |
| 21:52.28 | MentalPower | Kaso: 1 if loaded, nil otherwise |
| 21:52.51 | Kaso | Seems an odd way of representing that |
| 21:52.55 | MentalPower | we decided to categorize this "special" return type differently from real true/false boolean returns |
| 21:53.14 | MentalPower | remember WoW started with Lua4, which did not have booleans |
| 21:54.05 | Kaso | yah i recall that, i guess the reasoning makes sense it just looks odd if you dont know it |
| 21:54.10 | Zurik | does your .TOC file need to be the same name as your addonfolder? |
| 21:54.19 | Zurik | for it to showup? |
| 21:54.23 | MentalPower | aye |
| 22:00.24 | Zurik | why would my addon tell me that it's incompataible? |
| 22:01.20 | foxlit | Your Interface: line in .toc is made of fail :) |
| 22:02.38 | Zurik | heh. |
| 22:02.39 | Zurik | kk. |
| 22:03.03 | klip | anyone know how I can say something in another language without mouse? just with /s Hello World!. Somethint like /s [Troll] Hello World! |
| 22:03.06 | klip | ? |
| 22:03.52 | wereHamster | you mean the opposing faction's language? |
| 22:04.02 | klip | no, I mean another then common language |
| 22:04.07 | klip | it is possible by using mouse |
| 22:04.18 | klip | changing the actual langa |
| 22:04.22 | klip | lang* |
| 22:04.37 | klip | but I have adjusted UI and I dont have this possibility |
| 22:04.47 | klip | I can talk in Troll and Orcish, but dont know how |
| 22:04.59 | klip | only those who understand Troll would understand Troll |
| 22:05.02 | wereHamster | you'll have to use SendChangsMessage() |
| 22:05.27 | klip | yeah, I know Im little bit offtopic, but is it possible by some /command? :) |
| 22:05.43 | wereHamster | not as far as I know |
| 22:07.20 | klip | ok, thanks anyway :) |
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| 22:07.58 | Arrowmaster | yes if you count /script |
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| 22:13.34 | foxlit | Does something keep a localized version of itemSubType values? |
| 22:17.54 | nevcairiel | LibBabble-Inventory-3.0 has all of them, i think |
| 22:23.27 | Shirik | Lunessa: Fisker- knows one day I'll get him back |
| 22:23.36 | Shirik | just need to wait for the right time ;) |
| 22:24.29 | foxlit | The one thing I'm avoiding like the plague, nev :) |
| 22:24.41 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 22:24.54 | nevcairiel | just steal the translations |
| 22:24.57 | nevcairiel | if you want |
| 22:25.14 | nevcairiel | the -3.0 libs have a pretty sane core |
| 22:25.15 | foxlit | I tend to avoid maintaining a list of localized strings unless I absolutely have to |
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| 22:32.03 | Lunessa | Anyone want to come along behind me and point out that I got it all wrong (not that I think I did... ) ? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116595013&sid=1 |
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| 22:34.14 | foxlit | "For adding items to mail, you need a hardware event. " macros are generally run on hardware events, aren't they? |
| 22:34.34 | Lunessa | She wants 1 press, all greens. Not 1 press per green. |
| 22:35.06 | foxlit | what makes you think hardware events are consumed? |
| 22:36.23 | Lunessa | Nothing except looking at how 2 other AddOns ended up doing it instead of calling "UseContainerItem" |
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| 22:39.52 | foxlit | OP is claiming that it already works for gray items? |
| 22:40.03 | Lunessa | To sell them at a vendor. |
| 22:40.10 | Lunessa | I use the same macro in some places. |
| 22:40.32 | Lunessa | The function is sort of protected. |
| 22:40.39 | foxlit | damn you, font :( |
| 22:40.54 | foxlit | mail's looks like mall's when bolded :/ |
| 22:41.54 | Lunessa | And on that note, if I'm going to make my movie time, I gotta jet. Foxlit, if you find a way to do it that I missed, please enlighten me. Always happy to learn more. |
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| 23:14.22 | nevcairiel | I managed to be alone in a raid group |
| 23:14.22 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 23:15.16 | nevcairiel | fear my one person raid! http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5b7e3b458706e6f32ed24f666cb8ec08.jpg |
| 23:25.48 | Stanzilla | hax! |
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| 23:26.24 | Mikk | yeah you don't get booted out of the raidgroup by everyone else leaving if you're logged off while it happens |
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| 23:50.30 | Thunder_Child | ~seen darkguy |
| 23:50.32 | purl | darkguy <n=DARKGuy@201.211.45.36> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 1h 48m 37s ago, saying: 'I </3 it'. |
| 23:52.35 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5016503/hacked-wii-fit-board-lets-you-stumble-around-azeroth |
| 23:54.11 | Kaso | well thats worthwhile |
| 23:54.14 | Kaso | oh wait no |
| 23:54.44 | Kaso | tell them to call back when they can match Johnny lee's wii hacking |
| 23:57.24 | kd3 | oh wow at oklahoma |
| 23:57.45 | kd3 | claiming sovereignty under the 10th amendment |
