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| 00:01.26 | bleeter | bah |
| 00:01.28 | hi11ie | is there a function to tell if you are in a battleground or not? |
| 00:01.47 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 00:02.29 | hi11ie | foxlit: what is it? can't find anything in the wow api on the wiki |
| 00:03.09 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsInInstance |
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| 00:11.05 | hi11ie | thx |
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| 00:17.10 | hi11ie | hey MentalPower |
| 00:18.11 | MentalPower | hi hi11ie |
| 00:18.35 | Thunder_Child | run mental, it's a trap |
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| 01:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/play-warcraft-on-your-phone-/1218707 |
| 01:06.20 | Thunder_Child | got to love that..sinec 4 of the 5 major phone companys are now capping DL's |
| 01:06.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, with all the moves toward higher costs for downloading on cellular plans, I dont' think I would ever be able to pay to stream WoW to my phone. |
| 01:07.56 | Thunder_Child | well i dont think wow uses much up/down at once, but it adds up over time |
| 01:08.08 | Thunder_Child | i think it's ~5kb |
| 01:08.24 | Thunder_Child | or was that Kb |
| 01:08.26 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 01:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | Adding up over time is the key. |
| 01:08.43 | Thunder_Child | well with out the data caps it would be resonable |
| 01:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | I thinks I'll stick to playing online games iwth like... a computer. I can play Tetris on my phone when I'm bored. :) |
| 01:09.32 | Thunder_Child | a computer...thats so last century |
| 01:09.40 | Lopeppeppy | I know, I'm such a Luddite |
| 01:11.18 | Thunder_Child | though some things are handy, i used to IRC on the bus |
| 01:11.30 | Lopeppeppy | I know some people who do that too. |
| 01:12.21 | Thunder_Child | if the WWDC is favorable tomorrow, i shall try it out on an iphone |
| 01:13.17 | Lopeppeppy | the huh-what? |
| 01:13.40 | Thunder_Child | Worldwide Developers Confrence |
| 01:13.51 | Thunder_Child | jobs has a keynote speach there |
| 01:14.04 | Thunder_Child | prolly talking about the 3G iphone |
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| 01:15.50 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. *nod* |
| 01:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | brb |
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| 01:16.49 | Kajas | Hey guys.. did I miss something about the :strip() function? I'm getting an "attempt to call method 'strip' (a null value)" when using args:strip() on a slash command.. |
| 01:20.13 | MentalPower|Busy | theres no :strip |
| 01:20.24 | MentalPower|Busy | there is a strtrim() tho |
| 01:20.37 | MentalPower|Busy | and its accompanying str:trim() |
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| 01:21.55 | Kajas | So.. how would I check to see if there were arguments passed along with a slash command or if the slash was entered by itself? |
| 01:22.11 | Kajas | do args:trim() instead? |
| 01:22.21 | Kajas | and check that it ~="" |
| 01:25.13 | Kajas | ...okay that backfired, hmm |
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| 01:25.38 | Kajas | wb Lopeppeppy |
| 01:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks. Time to watch Dead Like Me. :) |
| 01:26.22 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 01:26.28 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 01:26.47 | JoshBorke | Kajas: when your SlashCommandHandler is called, if the args = "" then there were no arguments |
| 01:27.50 | Kajas | http://pastey.net/89153 << Code |
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| 01:28.15 | Kajas | When i type "/lott" I get the chat display of '--' when I type "/lotto 123" I get the alert box. |
| 01:28.35 | JoshBorke | lua> print(("args"):trim()) |
| 01:28.35 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: args |
| 01:28.38 | JoshBorke | lua> print((" "):trim()) |
| 01:28.39 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: No output |
| 01:28.39 | Duman | blargh |
| 01:28.40 | Kajas | basically I want it so that if text isn't entered, it shows the Lotto_Main window. If there is text, it processes it |
| 01:29.15 | JoshBorke | well, you have your if messed up then |
| 01:29.24 | JoshBorke | "if there is nothing passed, then print --" |
| 01:29.48 | JoshBorke | the ~= is not equal |
| 01:29.57 | Kajas | but I thought "~=" ment "does not equal" |
| 01:30.10 | Kajas | so If (args:trim() ~="") then --do this-- |
| 01:30.26 | Kajas | if it does equal nothing ..........*face slap* |
| 01:30.31 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 01:30.41 | Kajas | Thanks... LoL |
| 01:33.03 | MentalPower|Busy | note, strtrim() by default kills any leading and trailing whitespace " \r\n\t" |
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| 01:39.59 | bleeter | hey, I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but just wanted to check. Is there ANY way, client side, that we can get a log of the reason why the client decided to DC (eg, 'lost connection', 'bad addon call', 'nfi', 'excessive latency' etc.) |
| 01:40.35 | Tem | no |
| 01:40.44 | Tem | you can try your best to guess |
| 01:40.45 | bleeter | (the answer being 'no, you're meant to be clueless about that and work it out for yourself noob') |
| 01:40.56 | bleeter | Tem: aye, feared as much :( |
| 01:41.13 | Tem | I don't think the client even knows |
| 01:41.59 | Tem | oh lame |
| 01:42.03 | bleeter | sux |
| 01:42.04 | Tem | I logged out on the elevator |
| 01:42.11 | bleeter | can't get back in? |
| 01:42.15 | Tem | log back in |
| 01:42.18 | Tem | I'm not falling |
| 01:42.20 | Tem | now* |
| 01:42.30 | Tem | because the elevator was at the top when I logged |
| 01:42.36 | Tem | and at the bottom when I got back in |
| 01:42.48 | bleeter | not good |
| 01:42.49 | MentalPower|Busy | thats normal |
| 01:43.00 | MentalPower|Busy | just move forward when the elevator is slightly below you |
| 01:43.11 | bleeter | where 'normal' = 'shoulda been 'fixed' in BC' ;) :P |
| 01:43.24 | Drundia | it's fixed for zeppelins and boats |
| 01:43.44 | Drundia | why character can't really be attached to elevator this way? silly game... |
| 01:43.57 | bleeter | god I hope the NPCs on boats and zepps come back for WotLK.. might even renew my sub if they do that |
| 01:44.01 | Kajas | Can anyone explain gmatch and the sequence "[^ ]+" to me? Did a search on wowwiki for strsplit, but it recommends to use .gmatch for commandline arguments and that sequence is in the sample.. but I have no clue how to read it |
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| 01:44.12 | Kajas | Tried looking up gmatch on wiki.. but it's a red-link |
| 01:44.37 | Drundia | me bet is that gmatch is old string.match |
| 01:45.08 | Drundia | "[^ ]+" is 1 or more non-space, matches longest possible |
| 01:45.42 | Kajas | Could I pester you for an example to make sure I follow correctly |
| 01:46.12 | JoshBorke | lua> print(gmatch) |
| 01:46.13 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: nil |
| 01:46.19 | Drundia | no, i'm wrong, string.gfind was renamed string.gmatch |
| 01:46.28 | Drundia | lua> print (string.gmatch) |
| 01:46.29 | lua_bot | Drundia: function: 0x62e180 |
| 01:46.32 | Drundia | lua> print (string.match) |
| 01:46.32 | lua_bot | Drundia: function: 0x62e300 |
| 01:46.33 | Kajas | basically what I'm trying to do is get any arguments that are passed with my slash command to register as separate commands/vars separated by spaces "this text" would be red as the word "this" and "text" |
| 01:46.43 | Shirik | hey wow, they fixed twin imps |
| 01:46.45 | Shirik | twin emps* |
| 01:46.50 | Drundia | !api string.gmatch |
| 01:46.50 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.gmatch' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.gmatch |
| 01:47.05 | Kajas | *reads* |
| 01:47.34 | Guillotine | hmm |
| 01:48.40 | Kajas | ..okay that just leads to more questions.. time for a few hours reading.. |
| 01:49.15 | Guillotine | lua> m=getmetatable("WoW") m.__index.trim=function() return "FAIL" end print((" WoW "):trim()) |
| 01:49.16 | lua_bot | Guillotine: luabot:1: attempt to index field '__index' (a nil value) |
| 01:50.55 | Kajas | Where can I go to find out what the "%" pairs mean.. such as the "%a+" pair that I'm looking at now |
| 01:51.05 | Drundia | hmmm, how do they do it somewhere in ace that it knows that getmetatable("string").__index == _G.string? |
| 01:51.31 | Drundia | Kajas scroll to 5.4.1 |
| 01:51.37 | Drundia | that means down |
| 01:52.30 | Guillotine | lua> print(getmetatable("WoW")) |
| 01:52.30 | lua_bot | Guillotine: table: 0x628590 |
| 01:52.53 | Guillotine | lua> for a in pairs(getmetatable("WoW")) do print(a) end |
| 01:52.53 | lua_bot | Guillotine: No output |
| 01:53.03 | Guillotine | clad is always one step ahead of me :( |
| 01:53.07 | Kajas | so "%a+" would be a match of 1 or more consecutive letters? whereas "%a" would match each individual letter? |
| 01:53.23 | Drundia | lua> print(getmetatable(getmetatable("WOW")) |
| 01:53.23 | lua_bot | Drundia: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 01:53.28 | Drundia | lua> print(getmetatable(getmetatable("WOW"))) |
| 01:53.28 | lua_bot | Drundia: nil |
| 01:53.31 | Drundia | :( |
| 01:53.41 | Drundia | guess it has __metatable field |
| 01:55.10 | Drundia | Kajas, yes |
| 01:55.28 | Kajas | Thanks! |
| 01:55.39 | Kajas | and thanks for the link too *bookmarks* |
| 01:55.45 | Kaso | lua> s="hello" print(s:match("%a")) print(s:match("%a+")) |
| 01:55.45 | lua_bot | Kaso: h, hello |
| 01:58.32 | Shirik | cmon Guillotine |
| 01:58.36 | Shirik | I thought of this ages ago |
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| 02:15.48 | DARKGuy | hm, what would be the best armor & DPS/damage value for a DPS warrior? :/, people lol at me D: |
| 02:16.26 | Shirik | best armor and dps? |
| 02:16.37 | Shirik | 30k armor and 5000000 dps |
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| 02:16.58 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 02:16.58 | purl | strangles Shirik with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 02:17.05 | Shirik | hey, it's best! |
| 02:17.29 | DARKGuy | ~lart Shirik |
| 02:17.29 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Shirik's pants |
| 02:17.31 | Thunder_Child | it's better than 31K armor and 5000001 dps? |
| 02:17.32 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 02:17.41 | Shirik | well I forget the armor cap |
| 02:17.50 | Shirik | but yes, it's better than 5000001 dps because it's a cooler number |
| 02:17.58 | DARKGuy | I'm just wondering why people lol @ me because I have 10k armor as DPS :/ |
| 02:18.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lol DARKGuy |
| 02:18.16 | starlon | And yet you're probably still behind the rogues. |
| 02:18.18 | Thunder_Child | damit purl |
| 02:18.25 | DARKGuy | yeah, damn rogues |
| 02:18.28 | Thunder_Child | ~lol |
| 02:18.29 | purl | hmm... lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 02:18.33 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 02:19.04 | Thunder_Child | actually i think it would be "/me lol's" |
| 02:19.18 | Drundia | "It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person" :D |
| 02:19.32 | kd3 | "I lol"? |
| 02:19.56 | Thunder_Child | well "/me hah's" doesnt really work that well |
| 02:20.10 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo lol |
| 02:20.10 | purl | lol -- last modified at Tue Aug 31 04:12:29 2004 by mentor!~matthew@mentor.registered; it has been requested 254 times, last by Thunder_Child, 1m 41s ago; it has been locked by mentor. |
| 02:20.11 | dylanm | Let's not run around throwing apostrophes on everything. |
| 02:23.14 | bleeter | blatant crosspost: petaflop's been broken http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/09/technology/09petaflops.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin |
| 02:23.15 | Shirik | ~weather kdca |
| 02:23.21 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
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| 02:23.29 | DARKGuy | no, but seriously :( |
| 02:23.34 | Shirik | damn, it's cooler at my house than it is here >.> |
| 02:23.42 | bleeter | lol 12960 Cell processors |
| 02:25.55 | Thunder_Child | and AMD Opteron chips |
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| 02:26.14 | kd3 | well hello there services |
| 02:26.48 | Thunder_Child | "Programmers have to figure out how to keep all of the 116,640 processor cores in the machine occupied simultaneously in order for it to run effectively." i dont want their job |
| 02:27.14 | kd3 | wtf nuts |
| 02:27.49 | service | kd3: stop saying I'm multi personality :( |
| 02:27.51 | Thunder_Child | services bleeter, not service |
| 02:28.00 | service | odd, services is reserved, but not service |
| 02:28.33 | Thunder_Child | "The next thousandfold goal is the exaflop, which is a quintillion calculations per second, followed by the zettaflop, the yottaflop and the xeraflop." |
| 02:28.45 | Thunder_Child | yottaflop lol |
| 02:29.23 | Thunder_Child | said fast the common name for that becomes "yodaflop" |
| 02:33.05 | Drundia | of course there will eventualy be googolflops, which everyone will spell googleflops... |
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| 02:36.35 | Thunder_Child | "Since a googolplex is one followed by a googol zeroes, it would not be possible to write down or store a googolplex in decimal notation, even if all the matter in the known universe were converted into paper and ink or disk drives. Indeed, if you had an unlimited supply of ink and paper, you would need around 1020 universes to fully write it down." |
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| 02:36.45 | Thunder_Child | 10^20* |
| 02:36.53 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet |
| 02:36.55 | Thunder_Child | just make shit up |
| 02:37.32 | batrick | hmm |
| 02:37.45 | batrick | !lua 10^100^100 |
| 02:37.45 | batbot | batrick: > inf |
| 02:37.57 | batrick | sa |
| 02:37.58 | batrick | d |
| 02:38.38 | Drundia | googolplexflops are more advanced technology than googolflops |
| 02:39.25 | Thunder_Child | seems there is bigger though |
| 02:39.43 | Thunder_Child | "Graham's number, named after Ronald Graham, is a large number often described as the largest finite number that has ever been seriously used in a mathematical proof. Guinness World Records even listed Graham's number as the World Champion largest number. Graham's number is much larger than other well known large numbers such as a googol and a googolplex, and even larger than Skewes' number and Moser's number, other well-known large |
| 02:39.59 | Thunder_Child | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number |
| 02:40.04 | Thunder_Child | my head starts to hurt |
| 02:43.04 | Thunder_Child | !lua 3^^^^3 |
| 02:43.04 | batbot | Thunder_Child: @ [string "3^^^^3"]:1: unexpected symbol near '3' |
| 02:43.24 | Thunder_Child | !lua 3^27 |
| 02:43.24 | batbot | Thunder_Child: > 7625597484987 |
| 02:44.16 | Thunder_Child | !lua 3^(7625597484987^7625597484987) |
| 02:44.16 | batbot | Thunder_Child: > inf |
| 02:45.06 | Drundia | !lua math.huge |
| 02:45.06 | batbot | Drundia: > inf |
| 02:48.43 | Yssaril | anyone else get a qikimedia error when going to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham&apos;s_number? |
| 02:49.11 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 02:52.07 | Thunder_Child | try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number |
| 02:53.24 | Drundia | ah, good old mathematics: create a problem that has no practical meaning and try to solve it despite it being impossible. |
| 02:53.56 | Thunder_Child | didnt einstein have ~7 of them or so? |
| 02:56.35 | Drundia | Grahamflops sounds as very very advanced technology |
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| 02:59.38 | Kaso | [string "3^^^^3"]:1: unexpected symbol near '3' -- Wait, does this mean that 3^^^^ followed by something else would have beeb valid |
| 03:00.03 | bleeter | Tekkub: how to I set your to guide up so it's loaded but no guide is loaded? can't seem to find any option in the UI for it |
| 03:00.21 | Tekkub | wut |
| 03:00.43 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, i dont think so, nested '^' dont seem to have been programed in |
| 03:00.44 | zenzelezz | !lua 3^^^^4 |
| 03:00.45 | batbot | zenzelezz: @ [string "3^^^^4"]:1: unexpected symbol near '3' |
| 03:01.08 | bleeter | ok, well.. I've got TG enabled. every time I log in, it's loading a guide that I had up temporarily on this toon a while ago. as such, it keeps setting the tomtom arrow every login, and it's getting annoying lol |
| 03:01.08 | Kaso | why isnt it unexpected symbol near ^ then? |
| 03:01.29 | Thunder_Child | because that is the unexpected symbol |
| 03:01.37 | Tekkub | disable it until you're ready to use it? |
| 03:01.42 | bleeter | Tekkub: so, you know, just wondering how I can unload a guide but keep the addon active |
| 03:01.50 | bleeter | bah, fale option is fale :P kk :) |
| 03:01.59 | Tekkub | you don't, "No guide loaded" is a failsafe fallback |
| 03:02.27 | Tekkub | if you complete the last guide in the series (SMV) it should fall back to that |
| 03:02.31 | Kaso | the "near" symbol lua returns is the symbol that wasnt expected at that point |
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| 03:02.53 | Thunder_Child | really? thats an odd way to put it |
| 03:02.58 | bleeter | it's nice to have enabled on my lowbies, don't really need it on my 70's. individually enabling addons per toon is annoying. Ah, could try 'finishing' SMV zone then hehe. K, some tips, appreciate it thx |
| 03:03.16 | bleeter | oh heck, can't talk about cog no more :( |
| 03:03.21 | Kaso | lua> print(;) |
| 03:03.21 | lua_bot | Kaso: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 03:03.23 | Tekkub | TourGuide.db.char.currentguide = nil |
| 03:03.24 | Tekkub | reload |
| 03:03.31 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, then maybe they expected one '^' but not multiple ones |
| 03:03.48 | Thunder_Child | oh... |
| 03:03.53 | Kaso | then still shouldnt it be the second ^ which is unexpected |
| 03:03.56 | Tekkub | why load it if you're not using it though? the guides take a lot of memory |
| 03:03.59 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, nvm, now i get what you mean |
| 03:04.37 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, maybe there is something that can be put infront of "^^.." to get a proper something or other |
| 03:04.45 | bleeter | Tekkub: I have a LOT of memory. I'm lazy at addon selection per toon 'coz I don't have an addon manager that helps me do that and backup, restore, blah blah.. yeah, basically, i'm lazy ;) :P |
| 03:04.49 | Drundia | !lua 3^+4 |
| 03:04.52 | batbot | Drundia: @ [string "3^+4"]:1: unexpected symbol near '3' |
| 03:05.09 | Tekkub | it's not about used memory, it's about load time |
| 03:05.09 | cogwheel | bleeter: says who? |
| 03:05.11 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 03:05.23 | Tekkub | it takes a good chunk of time to load the guides into memory |
| 03:06.00 | Drundia | does it treat multiple special characters as one "symbol"? |
| 03:06.32 | Kaso | ah that could be right |
| 03:06.55 | bleeter | Tekkub: you mean load time to enter world? that's coffee making time for me, so it don't matter *that* much ;) |
| 03:07.05 | bleeter | Tekkub: if it were something else, my apols for failing to grok |
| 03:07.08 | Drundia | !lua 3 ~+ 4 |
| 03:07.18 | Tekkub | bleeter, this is the conclution Zoot and I came to that night: "My truck can hold 10 tons in the bed, but it doesn't move when I push the gas THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A POOR DESIGN" |
| 03:07.32 | batbot | Drundia: @ [string "3 ~+ 4"]:1: unexpected symbol near '3' |
| 03:07.35 | Tekkub | load time, mostly, yes |
| 03:07.54 | bleeter | Tekkub: no, stupid truck owner for not buying a 20 ton truck ;) |
| 03:08.30 | bleeter | though you could mean poor design of the owner, but clearly a convo you've had before so I shan't continue hehe |
| 03:08.30 | Tekkub | I have no idea what a truck can pull, I'm a tiny honda man |
| 03:08.39 | Tekkub | adjust that number to an obsurd amount |
| 03:09.41 | bleeter | when I've got an addon download manager that can enable/disable addons for me and save/load profiles so don't have to deal with the gimpy ingame selector, I'll be a happy man (yeah, something I'm working on slowly) |
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| 03:51.48 | Tekkub | http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=p&chtt=Percentage%20of%20Google%20Chart%20Which%20Resembles%20Pac-man&chs=550x250&chd=t:10,80,10&chco=FAFAFA,FFFF00,FAFAFA&chl=Does%20not%20resemble%20Pac-man|Resembles%20Pac-man |
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| 03:52.24 | Tekkub | http://tinyurl.com/69lrzv |
| 03:52.26 | Tekkub | better! |
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| 06:20.16 | DARKGuy | night xD |
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| 08:53.37 | Kajas | How would I go about blocking whispers from showing up.. I've got the hook and the filter in place working pretty well.. just wondering how to prevent messages that match the filter from being processed to the player |
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| 08:55.51 | frop | o |
| 08:55.57 | frop | dello |
| 08:59.29 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 09:42.44 | Kajas | is there a specific 'timer' object? |
| 09:43.04 | Kajas | such as 'every hour broadcast this message in guild chat' type of timer |
| 09:43.08 | bleeter | holy cow... so a couple of Oceanic realms go 'offline'... no problems. On the realm selector, I see them come back. In one 'refresh' they go from low pop to full/locked. Ouch. Overloaded much? If anyone from Blizz CM dept. is listening, more Oceanic stuff before WotLK pls (RP 2, plskthx) |
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| 09:47.55 | Kajas | hmm.. can't seem to find anything.. time to go digging through addons to find something |
| 09:56.00 | Elkano | there isn't but you could create a frame, set an OnUpdate script, sum up the delays until your >1hr, fire and reset |
| 09:56.39 | Elkano | in case your addon is using some sort of addon framework, they often provide such timer functionality for you |
| 09:57.52 | Matrix110| | Kajas nothing provided by the API itself, but AceTimer and others can handle such things |
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| 10:12.00 | frop | wtf...why the badges' xbow is so sucky for a Survival hunter? :P |
| 10:13.06 | bleeter | same reason I couldn't find a lowbadge (ie, pre-SSO) healing weapon? maybe there is one, and I'm just blind >< |
| 10:14.00 | frop | i bet they added the xbow, specifically for BM hunters...and every dropped bow is 3.0speed :( |
| 10:14.09 | frop | ...damn, i wasted 150badges... |
| 10:14.33 | frop | (10 gems....3500g) |
| 10:18.54 | Matrix110| | I dont understand our Server there: Gems are 150g Nether Vortex 250g Primal Nether 25g :P |
| 10:19.37 | frop | epic gems 150g? |
| 10:19.43 | frop | you're lucky |
| 10:19.55 | frop | on my, gems go for more than 300 |
| 10:20.06 | bleeter | I pcked up a primal nether for 25s yesterday |
| 10:20.10 | frop | vortex 250g |
| 10:20.26 | frop | ...Terocone, 60g a stack :((( |
| 10:21.19 | bleeter | people are still adjusting the 'market' to 2.4. From experience, it takes about 6 months for a market to start evening out after major changes. |
| 10:21.46 | frop | in 6 months we'll be in Northerend |
| 10:22.02 | bleeter | we hope lol |
| 10:22.06 | frop | if not...we could have a try on Kil'jaeden...maybe ^^ |
| 10:22.33 | frop | btw... |
| 10:22.39 | frop | WTB 3.0speed bow |
| 10:22.46 | Hapnintwo | if you need money, sell useles items like Bear Flank ;) I sold stack for 40 g :) |
| 10:23.00 | frop | lol |
| 10:23.13 | frop | i got a gbank full of low-lvl stuff |
| 10:23.25 | frop | (4 tabs) |
| 10:23.38 | frop | but that's not the way to make money |
| 10:23.51 | frop | HoDs is the way (900g each) |
| 10:24.29 | frop | btw, off to lunch :) |
| 10:28.51 | Hapnintwo | And what's better way? :) Farming fel iron with other 10 people on map? :) |
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| 11:41.05 | zenzio | this one goes for Thunder_Child: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/08/funny-pictures-oh-grate/ |
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| 12:12.59 | Shirik | good morning! |
| 12:13.42 | frop | dello |
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| 12:15.47 | Shirik | does anyone remember the visual studio memory codes? I can't remember what 0xFD is |
| 12:16.47 | Shirik | ah fence debug, nm |
| 12:17.21 | zenzio | "NoMansLand (0xFD) " |
| 12:18.22 | Shirik | not good :/ |
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| 12:23.12 | bleeter | aaargh |
| 12:23.53 | bleeter | rant rant rant rant rant oceanic rant rant rant rant rant rant broken rant rant rant community manager lol rant rant rant |
| 12:25.55 | bleeter | no need to hug me, Shirik, it's the CSF GMs who have to put up with this crap 'coz the CMs are fail at doing CM stuff |
| 12:26.04 | bleeter | so go hug a CSF GM today pls |
| 12:26.27 | Shirik | I'm afraid I'm too busy segfaulting to do that :/ |
| 12:26.36 | Shirik | and supposedly it's malloc() that's segfaulting |
| 12:26.39 | bleeter | eww kinky :P |
| 12:26.46 | Shirik | which I haven't quite figured out yet |
| 12:27.28 | Shirik | so strange; none of my code is in the callback |
| 12:27.28 | zenzio | you lose at malloc! |
| 12:27.37 | Shirik | call stack* |
| 12:28.08 | Shirik | so I don't even know how to debug this |
| 12:28.17 | Shirik | where do you start >< |
| 12:28.19 | bleeter | I had a good one with Wine the other day, dunno if you saw it... |
| 12:28.20 | bleeter | gcc -m32 -O2 -c menu.i -o menu.o |
| 12:28.20 | bleeter | gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1) |
| 12:28.42 | Shirik | wow |
| 12:28.54 | Shirik | how did you do that? |
| 12:28.56 | bleeter | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=35204#c6 for the full horror |
| 12:29.00 | bleeter | er |
| 12:29.06 | bleeter | eryeah, that's the right URL |
| 12:29.27 | bleeter | only Wine had ever caused that hehe |
| 12:30.10 | bleeter | comment 8's pretty horrible too lol |
| 12:30.10 | Shirik | fun |
| 12:30.43 | bleeter | anyways, time to me to return to ranting |
| 12:31.00 | Shirik | gogo rants |
| 12:31.45 | Shirik | I'm still at a loss at how malloc can segfault though |
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| 12:32.36 | bleeter | threads can screw malloc around, iirc |
| 12:33.06 | Shirik | this is a multithreaded app, but I'm pretty sure windows has an intrinsic heap lock |
| 12:33.18 | Shirik | in fact it's their #1 reason for not using TerminateThread() and warning you on its use |
| 12:33.51 | Shirik | but it's something to think about |
| 12:34.46 | zenzio | it's more than just that though |
| 12:35.29 | zenzio | TerminateThread stops the thread with no warning, no chance to shut down properly, and I can't remember if it calls the destructors for C++ objects in the other thread |
| 12:36.06 | Shirik | oh there's more than one reason for not using TerminateThread |
| 12:36.24 | zenzio | isn't that what I just said? =D |
| 12:36.36 | Shirik | I know I'm just agreeing with you :) it doesn't free critical section objects, it forces abandonment of mutexes |
| 12:37.16 | Shirik | but the heap lock is the big one |
| 12:37.30 | Shirik | leave the heap locked and your program is screwed :P |
| 12:38.23 | zenzio | the default heap anyway |
| 12:38.25 | zenzio | but yeah |
| 12:38.52 | zenzio | some advocate using multiple heaps to avoid problems with CRT functions and such that rely on the default heap |
| 12:39.09 | zenzio | but that means you might have to use a bunch more Windows-specific stuff |
| 12:39.27 | Shirik | I don't use malloc anyway |
| 12:39.29 | Shirik | it's evil |
| 12:41.50 | Shirik | oh dear god |
| 12:42.05 | Shirik | I'm doing a bubble sort on an array with 0x200000 elements |
| 12:43.14 | bleeter | haha |
| 12:43.22 | bleeter | ~whaleslap Shirik |
| 12:43.25 | purl | ACTION beats Shirik upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 12:51.30 | Shirik | found it :) |
| 12:51.43 | Shirik | apparently I was trying to read the video stream's buffer before the video was initialized |
| 12:52.42 | Kalroth | Bad girl, bad! |
| 13:00.32 | Shirik | lua> (tonumber("05CB027C", 16)-tonumber("05cb011c",16))/8 |
| 13:00.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: 44 |
| 13:08.21 | cladhaire | of all the books for people to buy through our amazon store |
| 13:08.26 | cladhaire | Accelerated VB 2008 (Accelerated) |
| 13:08.29 | cladhaire | Blood Noir (Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter, Book 16) |
| 13:08.34 | cladhaire | :P |
| 13:09.17 | bleeter | mmm beer |
| 13:09.22 | bleeter | hi clad! |
| 13:09.31 | bleeter | VB = aussie beer, a good one too |
| 13:09.42 | bleeter | not like that rat's urine sold as Foster's |
| 13:09.53 | Shirik | nice cladhaire |
| 13:10.05 | Shirik | I bought that VB book |
| 13:10.08 | Shirik | I needed comedy |
| 13:10.09 | cladhaire | haha :P |
| 13:10.12 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 13:10.13 | cladhaire | WWDC soon |
| 13:10.35 | Shirik | yeah.... you have fun with that |
| 13:11.44 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 13:11.52 | cladhaire | just gives me something to listen to while i'm working on minilua |
| 13:14.08 | krka | minilua? |
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| 13:18.20 | Lopeppeppy | Help, help, ninja-looter! |
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| 13:21.29 | Shirik | so I'm thinking sorting 2 million pixels is not the best way of approaching this problem |
| 13:22.49 | zenzio | sorting pixels? |
| 13:23.00 | Shirik | yup |
| 13:23.05 | Shirik | according to intensity |
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| 13:23.41 | Shirik | actually, I cut it down to about 0x20000 pixels on averag |
| 13:24.06 | krka | fascinating stuff |
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| 13:26.37 | Maldivia | *smirk* |
| 13:29.15 | zenzio | my pixuls, let me show you them |
| 13:32.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. |
| 13:34.22 | Lopeppeppy | Well, isn't that speshul. AC went out in our server room over the weekend, no monitoring what so ever, so several servers fried. Excellent. Just excellent |
| 13:34.45 | zenzio | monitoring is clearly overrated |
| 13:35.20 | Shirik | fun day at work, Lopeppeppy ? |
| 13:35.25 | Lopeppeppy | Clearly it's cheaper to have college servers be fully replaced than to even put in a temperature sensor.... |
| 13:36.06 | Shirik | that's ok, Lopeppeppy, our servers got flooded |
| 13:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, Shirik, I work from home this week because they're remodeling my office. So if the replacement server is being shipped from California, that just gives me more time to pack for my move! *optimistic thought* |
| 13:36.07 | Shirik | that was fun |
| 13:36.18 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: I hope that's just frustration, and not another of my sarcastic remarks being less obvious than I thought :-o |
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| 13:37.16 | Lopeppeppy | I was sarcastic right back, zenzio. I'm totally impressed (not) with the IT setup at this college. |
| 13:37.45 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: did you hear about my brother and the new college sysadmin role he got a few weeks back? |
| 13:37.54 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, at least that was an act of nature, very sudden, not predictable. Server rooms are built to regulate heat. Heat is an issue. Big expensive issue. |
| 13:38.04 | Lopeppeppy | bleeter, let me guess, they didnt' give him a computer? |
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| 13:38.24 | bleeter | I mentioned it in here couple days ago, semi relavent to topic... he erased 40 scratch disks students were using... previous sysadmin poor cleaning policy and backup policy menat all data gone |
| 13:38.47 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 13:38.56 | bleeter | sutdents were all 'wtf my essay due in 2 hours'.. my brother panicking.. his boss was 'last guy had your job was a tool, totally his fault, students should have local backups, tell them they lose' |
| 13:39.04 | cladhaire | i'd beat him if he wiped my scratch disk |
| 13:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | nice that his boss was all stfu to the students though.... *giggle* |
| 13:39.36 | bleeter | cladhaire: you don't fail to keep backups of end of year work and stuff though, do you ;) |
| 13:39.50 | cladhaire | i have three-site git repositories of anything important |
| 13:39.53 | cladhaire | :P |
| 13:39.56 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: yeah, he rang me in a panic thinking he was about to lose his jobn |
| 13:40.10 | bleeter | rang back about 30 mins later 'my boss is taking me to the pub' lol |
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| 13:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | The sign of a good boss is knowing when a mistake is NOT your employee's fault. |
| 13:41.04 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, he screwed up erasing the work. But having backups to restore from is so.... the normal policy that most of us don't think of the possibility that there won't be issues. |
| 13:41.07 | bleeter | well, it was stew's fault, syntax error in his own written script caused the wipe.. but if cleaning had been put in place originally when only 5 disks, etc. etc. |
| 13:42.17 | bleeter | so to be relevant.. buy yourself a temp sensor, wire it to buy tickets to bermuda as temp rises and head to the airport ;) |
| 13:42.31 | krka | what is a scratch disk? |
| 13:42.42 | cladhaire | a large /tmp partition, basically |
| 13:42.46 | cladhaire | that isn't cleaned very often |
| 13:42.55 | cladhaire | so users can have a space to work outside their disk quota |
| 13:42.58 | foxlit | Considering it's /tmp ? |
| 13:43.13 | foxlit | Why would anyone expect anything they wrote there to persist for more than an instant? |
| 13:43.18 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.26 | cladhaire | foxlit: because it has persisted there for years |
| 13:43.31 | cladhaire | that's the point of the story |
| 13:43.38 | bleeter | foxlit: because, on the whole, arts school students are mindfried ;) |
| 13:44.03 | krka | oh, i see |
| 13:44.16 | krka | i only used scratch disk for lab-projects that required huge amount of disk space |
| 13:44.24 | krka | (and my home dir was unsufficient) |
| 13:44.30 | krka | like building index files for quick searches,e t.c. |
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| 13:44.53 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 13:45.04 | cladhaire | i have a few things out there, but nothing i need |
| 13:45.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, IT will ping me when my toys are no longer fried. Off to farm primals! |
| 13:46.09 | bleeter | lol gg Lopeppeppy |
| 13:47.10 | Lopeppeppy | This is totally the week to work from home.... :) |
| 13:49.25 | krka | i'd NEVER put any of my important source or documentation on a scratch disk |
| 13:50.02 | krka | that's just asking for trouble |
| 13:50.25 | krka | my school had daily backups of the user home directory, that was very nice :) |
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| 13:51.16 | foxlit | They really should sell one-use hearthstone replacements for that place |
| 13:51.37 | Lopeppeppy | It's the end of so many flight paths... ugh |
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| 14:00.17 | [Liquidor] | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/america_fuckyeah.jpg/1213019863 |
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| 14:03.31 | [melin] | anyone here familier with Auction 1.0? |
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| 14:09.15 | bleeter | wossitdo? |
| 14:09.40 | [melin] | its a library to get data from ex. auctioneer with |
| 14:10.03 | [melin] | what I wanna do is GetItemPrice("[Wool cloth]") |
| 14:11.12 | [Liquidor] | Hahah this one is just great: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/vista-source.gif/1213020526 |
| 14:11.20 | foxlit | http://svn.cwowaddon.com/wow/addons/trunk/Auction-1.0/Auction-1.0/Auction-1.0.lua |
| 14:11.37 | foxlit | In particular, AuctionLib:GetAucAdvancedPrice(itemLink) |
| 14:12.06 | [melin] | when I do that.. I just get a bunch of errors :| |
| 14:12.11 | [melin] | its like the addon never loads |
| 14:12.31 | bleeter | [melin]: you may be better off asking about AH foo stuff in #norganna where that Auctioneer addon folks hang out, but they may not be able to assist with additional 3rd party foo |
| 14:12.53 | bleeter | [melin]: they may even recommend a native auctioneer method instead |
| 14:12.56 | bleeter | me shrugs |
| 14:13.02 | bleeter | bah |
| 14:13.05 | [melin] | yea.. might be a good idea |
| 14:13.15 | foxlit | that might be a more general ace issue of "how the heck do I get to the library" |
| 14:13.16 | bleeter | tx |
| 14:13.28 | foxlit | but hey, |
| 14:13.29 | foxlit | ~ask |
| 14:13.30 | purl | ask is, like, Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 14:13.30 | bleeter | oh, it's ace? #wowace then maybe.. further /shrug |
| 14:13.52 | foxlit | If you're getting error message, quote them |
| 14:13.58 | foxlit | Do explain what you're doing, as well :) |
| 14:14.00 | bleeter | via a pastey |
| 14:14.00 | Shirik | [melin]: I' mconfused about that function |
| 14:14.12 | [melin] | Shirik ? |
| 14:14.13 | foxlit | "Does anyone know foo?" isn't going to net you a lot of replies :) |
| 14:14.14 | Shirik | AucAdvanced already has a public API to do that |
| 14:14.29 | [melin] | oh? |
| 14:14.32 | Shirik | I would know, I wrote it |
| 14:14.33 | foxlit | Shirik: it's a meta-lib that enables you to get data from multiple sources |
| 14:14.36 | foxlit | Including AucAdvanced |
| 14:14.40 | Shirik | ah, that makes more sense foxlit :) |
| 14:14.50 | [melin] | but.. screw auction 1.0 then |
| 14:14.55 | foxlit | Proper function is AuctionLib:GetPrice(itemLink) |
| 14:15.11 | Shirik | AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue(itemLink, serverKey) -- serverKey is optional |
| 14:15.14 | foxlit | Which nets you data from auctioneer, auc-advanced, KC_items and wowecon, if I'm reading this correctly |
| 14:15.30 | Shirik | but yeah, foxlit's makes sense now that I understand it does more than auctioneer :) |
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| 14:18.46 | bleeter | [Liquidor]: that link http://pics.nase-bohren.de/vista-source.gif/1213020526 is win, thx mate |
| 14:18.57 | bleeter | (yes, blatant repost for MP lolz) |
| 14:20.59 | MentalPower | lol! |
| 14:21.01 | MentalPower | nice |
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| 14:26.38 | Lopeppeppy | Current temperature in the server room, 98 and slowly falling.... |
| 14:26.59 | [Liquidor] | HAHHAHAHAHA okay... I've linked you 2 pics so far but this just tops it since it's a Google Ad: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/malevirgin-wow.gif/1213021471 ---- :DDD |
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| 14:32.42 | Kaso | [Liquidor] i love it |
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| 14:34.46 | bleeter | rofl |
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| 14:41.51 | AckisWork | so is there anyway for me to upload something to wowinterface w/o needing a screenshot? |
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| 14:46.06 | Shirik | AckisWork: Use a placeholder screenshot |
| 14:46.14 | Shirik | but think hard before doing that |
| 14:46.24 | Shirik | most users like to see something before they download |
| 14:46.53 | Fisker- | need a dispenser here |
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| 14:47.35 | AckisWork | Shirik: It's for a mod that has no UI/etc and just works in the background |
| 14:47.42 | Shirik | ok then :) |
| 14:50.37 | Fisker- | need a Shirik here btw |
| 14:50.47 | Cide | no we don't |
| 14:50.50 | Lopeppeppy | I do! |
| 14:50.53 | Fisker- | >* |
| 14:50.54 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:50.59 | Cide | our shirik quota has been exceeded |
| 14:51.03 | Lopeppeppy | *gasp* |
| 14:51.07 | Fisker- | btw |
| 14:51.14 | Fisker- | if i were to have a class responsible for users |
| 14:51.36 | Fisker- | would you have the constructor fetch user data from a database? |
| 14:51.36 | Fisker- | :P |
| 14:51.55 | Cide | depends on the size of the database |
| 14:52.07 | Cide | that's quite a lot of overhead if you have a lot of concurrent connections |
| 14:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | That's what they all say. |
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| 14:52.27 | MentalPower | peppy, subtle :) |
| 14:52.31 | Cide | do it lazily (and cache results) if you value performance |
| 14:52.33 | MentalPower | very suble |
| 14:52.35 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: :P |
| 14:52.46 | Fisker- | it was more in respect to the 3-tier model |
| 14:52.50 | MentalPower | s/suble/subtle/ |
| 14:52.58 | Cide | 3-tier model? |
| 14:53.01 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:53.06 | Fisker- | gui->logic->data |
| 14:53.06 | Cide | great answer |
| 14:53.08 | Lopeppeppy | MP, subtle is not Peppy. But thanks for the nod. :) |
| 14:53.17 | Cide | you mean MVC, or similar variants |
| 14:53.22 | Fisker- | dunno :o |
| 14:53.29 | Cide | model-view-controller :P |
| 14:53.38 | Cide | anyway |
| 14:53.44 | Fisker- | Anyways a friend of mine is saying that constructor would be logic and the class itself is data |
| 14:53.46 | Cide | sure, you could |
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| 14:54.01 | Cide | no, logic is what you DO with the class/instance |
| 14:54.17 | Cide | the class itself defines the data[base] layer |
| 14:54.43 | Fisker- | yay |
| 14:54.48 | Fisker- | then i can own him with confidence tomorrow |
| 14:54.55 | Cide | definitely |
| 14:55.06 | Cide | just say "bcuz de intarnets sayd so" |
| 14:55.11 | Fisker- | yarr |
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| 14:55.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:55.44 | Shirik | wut i did |
| 14:55.51 | Fisker- | you did fail :( |
| 14:55.53 | Kalroth | What didn't you do?! |
| 14:55.54 | Fisker- | It's so cheat |
| 14:56.00 | Fisker- | Our project is a webservice |
| 14:56.06 | Fisker- | all other projects are applications |
| 14:56.29 | Fisker- | But they expect that the examiners should be able to access the application at home |
| 14:56.35 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 14:58.56 | Fisker- | movie then work :O |
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| 15:35.49 | Lopeppeppy | Rash of "WoWMatrix broke my addons when it updated them" today. Hmm. |
| 15:37.43 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 15:38.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm afraid I am unkind and unsympathetic. *mournful eyes* |
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| 15:48.20 | Shirik | so I discovered the pointer-to-member operator today |
| 15:48.28 | nevcairiel | in? |
| 15:48.29 | Shirik | I'm so sad I didn't find this sooner |
| 15:48.30 | Shirik | it's <3 |
| 15:48.31 | Shirik | C++ |
| 15:48.48 | Shirik | .* and ->* operators |
| 15:49.05 | Lopeppeppy | ..... Um, hi Shirik. Nice that we're having weather. Yes. |
| 15:49.34 | Shirik | hi |
| 15:49.36 | Shirik | I prefer no weather |
| 15:49.48 | Cide | what's that operator? |
| 15:49.51 | Cide | I've never seen it before |
| 15:49.55 | Shirik | it's <3 |
| 15:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | Just distracting myself from that operator, yeah. |
| 15:50.22 | Shirik | Cide: I have an instance of a structure, pointList |
| 15:50.26 | Cide | what's it even do? |
| 15:50.37 | Shirik | well here, why don't I show you the code even |
| 15:50.55 | Cide | be nice, I don't know c++ |
| 15:50.58 | Cide | much, anyway |
| 15:51.22 | Shirik | it's fairly simple |
| 15:51.31 | Shirik | you know what a struct is? |
| 15:51.34 | Cide | ... |
| 15:51.37 | Cide | I'm not retarded |
| 15:51.41 | Shirik | just checking! |
| 15:51.41 | nevcairiel | you can use it to call member functions of classes if you get the reference passed to a func |
| 15:51.42 | Cide | I know c++ in theory |
| 15:51.48 | Cide | just not the intricate details and syntax |
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| 15:51.53 | Shirik | I have a struct that has two members, x and y |
| 15:52.04 | Shirik | I need a function that can operate on them |
| 15:52.12 | zenzelezz | soudns like it needs better member names |
| 15:52.13 | Shirik | the struct's name is POINT, btw |
| 15:52.15 | nevcairiel | just post a simple example, its fairly easy to understand by that :P |
| 15:52.20 | Hapnintwo | C++ is dead, learn Whitespace :) Monochromatic monitor is enough ;) |
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| 15:52.57 | Shirik | This is my sorting algorithm. By using a pointer to a member, I don't have to restrict the function on whether it accesses "x" or "y" |
| 15:53.09 | Shirik | I can specify which one to access (as you see at 60 or 61) |
| 15:53.11 | Shirik | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89181 |
| 15:54.06 | Cide | oh |
| 15:54.37 | Cide | I thought you meant point to a member of a struct instance |
| 15:54.44 | Cide | that's neat |
| 15:54.47 | wereHamster | struct { int i[2] } POINT; and instead of POINT::* pass it the index... |
| 15:54.56 | Cide | bad design |
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| 15:55.03 | Shirik | I didn't make the struct, wereHamster |
| 15:55.04 | Cide | is it (x,y) or (y,x)? |
| 15:55.09 | Shirik | that's a Win32 struct |
| 15:55.15 | Cide | (x,y) is more conventional, but I've seen both |
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| 15:55.51 | Shirik | I mean, I don't intend to use this operator every chance I can get |
| 15:55.58 | Cide | YOU SHOULD |
| 15:56.05 | Shirik | but I was mad on friday for having to copy this code because I needed it to work for "x" and "y" |
| 15:56.12 | Shirik | and now I know how to make it work for both :) |
| 15:56.14 | Cide | every time you learn something new, you must jump through hoops to use it, regardless of whether or not the use is valid |
| 15:56.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:57.12 | wereHamster | oh, WWDC today |
| 15:57.19 | Shirik | omg less talk about WWDC >< |
| 15:57.27 | zenzelezz | WWDC? |
| 15:57.36 | Shirik | see what you started cladhaire ! |
| 15:57.43 | cladhaire | what did i started |
| 15:57.44 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:57.48 | dylanm | MAC PRODUCTS |
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| 15:57.54 | dylanm | Where's my wallet |
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| 15:58.00 | Shirik | :( |
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| 15:58.03 | wereHamster | no, I saw an article on arstechnica.. |
| 15:58.08 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:58.08 | Cide | WWD = "what would cide do?", except typo'd |
| 15:58.14 | Cide | s/WWD/WWDC/ |
| 15:58.25 | Shirik | WWD = doubly typoed |
| 15:58.29 | Cide | aye |
| 15:59.33 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that .* is even more useful with member functions |
| 15:59.57 | foxlit | WWDC = who would do cide? |
| 16:00.03 | Cide | lol |
| 16:00.06 | Shirik | yeah I bet it would be |
| 16:00.08 | Shirik | didn't think of that |
| 16:01.04 | Shirik | ok lunch time |
| 16:01.09 | Shirik | wow day's half over already wtf |
| 16:01.17 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, shirik |
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| 16:47.54 | Shirik | wereHamster: Considering I do very little other than work, I assume that the middle of the work day is the middle of the day :P |
| 16:52.33 | wereHamster | I was more thinking about the people using 36-hour days, for them after 12 hours the day is not yet half over |
| 16:53.14 | Shirik | 36? |
| 16:53.16 | cncfanatics | there are people using 36h days ? :o |
| 16:53.20 | Shirik | The only other schedule I was aware of was 28 |
| 16:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | Screw a 36 hour day, I'm going to bed! |
| 16:53.35 | wereHamster | yup, humans have a longer day then 24hours |
| 16:53.50 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: But that means you get to sleep for 12 hours instead of 8! |
| 16:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, when I'm not alone doing it, I'll think about the 36 hour day again. :P |
| 16:54.28 | wereHamster | if you were in a dark room without sunlight your day would be longer then 24 hours |
| 16:54.31 | zenzelezz | people sleep eight hours a day? |
| 16:54.42 | erikd | I wouldn't mind a 36 hour day if it meant i only had to work 8 hours a day still |
| 16:54.43 | zenzelezz | except for the weekend I can never sleep more than 5-6 hours |
| 16:54.43 | Shirik | normal people do zenzelezz, not the people on IRC |
| 16:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | I wish, zenzelezz |
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| 16:56.27 | foxlit | If I see bands of solid color in WoW's sky |
| 16:56.45 | foxlit | Is that a video/display problem, or is that just wow's engine? |
| 16:56.49 | Shirik | it mean be the end of the world |
| 16:56.52 | Shirik | of warcraft |
| 16:56.58 | Shirik | uh |
| 16:57.01 | Shirik | ~failrik |
| 16:57.03 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 16:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | Prolly video/display |
| 16:57.04 | Diskmaster | I would have to say a video problem. |
| 16:57.15 | zenzelezz | you're not running in 16-bit, are you? :-p |
| 16:57.27 | Shirik | I would agree with video problem |
| 16:57.45 | foxlit | Video settings say 24-bit color/depth |
| 16:57.55 | zenzelezz | then I'd agree with the rest |
| 16:57.57 | kd3 | what's the hunter ability that lets them directly control their pet? "Eyes of the Beast"? |
| 16:58.08 | zenzelezz | believe so |
| 16:58.09 | foxlit | Taking a screenshot and inspecting it with an image editor yields that there are actual bands of solid color |
| 16:58.12 | Shirik | kd3: yup |
| 16:58.15 | kd3 | thanks |
| 16:58.29 | nevcairiel | 1002! |
| 16:59.23 | DARKGuy | Driver issue imho. |
| 16:59.49 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/box/sky.png |
| 17:00.09 | zenzelezz | when did it start happening? Did you change anything, or did it spontaneously happen? |
| 17:00.22 | DARKGuy | ah.. |
| 17:00.27 | DARKGuy | that's WoW's engine. |
| 17:00.32 | zenzelezz | wait, that just looks like a skybox |
| 17:01.06 | DARKGuy | it's WoW's engine, color must be 24-bit color, any bit depth |
| 17:01.09 | Kirov | foxlit - that's just the nature of compressed textures + bloom |
| 17:01.11 | foxlit | it looks like a crappy gradient fill with not enough precision |
| 17:01.25 | DARKGuy | I get that too, but it isn't that noticeable |
| 17:01.38 | Kirov | pretty much any modern engine will have that problem on smooth gradients. |
| 17:01.42 | zenzelezz | a skybox has to span a big area, so they often end up looking like that (to some degree) |
| 17:01.58 | DARKGuy | it isn't a skybox anyways, WoW uses a sphere |
| 17:02.37 | Kirov | Almost no one uses boxes these days, it's usually a sphere or custom geometry. |
| 17:02.46 | foxlit | It's only really noticeable with those solid-color skies |
| 17:02.46 | zenzelezz | "box" is just an expression; though skydome is more correct |
| 17:02.54 | kd3 | old terminology dies hard |
| 17:02.55 | zenzelezz | it's still just a technique of simulating a sky |
| 17:03.11 | foxlit | Nagrand sky looks good, for example. |
| 17:03.15 | Kirov | skybox because it used to literally be a box. |
| 17:03.42 | DARKGuy | ah, CS 1.5 times |
| 17:03.54 | DARKGuy | Quake times! it had skyboxes |
| 17:04.03 | zenzelezz | 1.5? Give me back CS beta 4 |
| 17:04.09 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 17:04.12 | DARKGuy | I never played it :( |
| 17:08.45 | foxlit | hm, what do people generally use to represent macro icons? |
| 17:09.06 | Lopeppeppy | Represent them where? |
| 17:09.10 | zenzelezz | huh? |
| 17:09.10 | foxlit | horrible phrasing |
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| 17:10.51 | foxlit | I need some sort of icon to represent a custom macrotext macro in a line-up of various abilities, items and/or proper macros |
| 17:12.04 | Lopeppeppy | I usually use a warlock icon for my custom macros that I don't use the ? to fill in the appropriate spell. I use Warlock ones because I don't play a warlock character and have no meaning associated with those icons. |
| 17:12.38 | foxlit | Reverving "?" for "I don't know what this thing is, you figure it out" |
| 17:12.54 | Kirov | quake didn't have skyboxes. It had spheres |
| 17:13.20 | zenzelezz | Half-Life had whatever you made of it. Any surface with the texture "sky" became a skybox |
| 17:13.21 | DARKGuy | oO... right, CS had skyboxes |
| 17:13.43 | DARKGuy | Quake had a cool skysphere :P |
| 17:14.01 | Kirov | original quake at least. Really it had a software interpolated curved texture to simulate a sphere, and GLquake and spheres to try and mimic the effect. |
| 17:14.13 | foxlit | Spell_Magic_PolymorphChicken.blp , I choose you |
| 17:14.21 | foxlit | [there's no actual Poly: Chicken spell, is there?] |
| 17:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | Not for players, I don't think |
| 17:14.40 | kd3 | ^ |
| 17:14.41 | Kirov | Quake2, HalfLife had SkyBoxes. Unreal could, but those are actually created by the user and could be any geometry you wanted. |
| 17:14.51 | Kirov | Poultryguiser |
| 17:14.55 | DARKGuy | the unreal engine was awesome |
| 17:14.55 | kd3 | nef has a bunch of random polys, that's probably where it gets used |
| 17:14.58 | kd3 | and the engi tool |
| 17:15.14 | zenzelezz | giraffe poly <3 |
| 17:15.44 | Kirov | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23835 - chicken polymorph |
| 17:17.58 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/box/chicken.png |
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| 17:18.34 | Kirov | huh? |
| 17:19.02 | Kirov | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10725 ? |
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| 17:19.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 17:19.27 | foxlit | Qq, there goes the conflict-free icon choice |
| 17:20.44 | Kirov | There are very few (if any) truely unique icons. |
| 17:21.04 | zenzelezz | use a healthstone icon |
| 17:21.08 | Kirov | Lately I've been seeing a lot of used-to-be-unique item icons get reused. |
| 17:21.20 | zenzelezz | ALL HEALTHSTONE ICONS! |
| 17:21.23 | zenzelezz | they're so versatile |
| 17:23.11 | Kirov | damn it, I wish they'd just make the forums search function display a "the search is currently disabled" instead of "there are no matching seaches" |
| 17:23.17 | Kirov | er, results |
| 17:26.13 | wereHamster | foxlit: is that a new onering configuration dialog? |
| 17:26.48 | foxlit | yes, it is. |
| 17:27.03 | durcyn | gief |
| 17:27.18 | wereHamster | looks sexy :) I'd like to try but my desktop died just yesterday :( |
| 17:27.56 | wereHamster | stupid harddrives, no HD I ever had lasted more then a year or two |
| 17:28.19 | Kirov | what on earth do you do to them?! |
| 17:28.37 | Kirov | I've had one drive fail me after 6 months... the other 7 I've owned still work. |
| 17:28.48 | Kirov | Some are 8 years old. |
| 17:28.53 | Kirov | 10 actually |
| 17:28.56 | Kirov | still run |
| 17:29.56 | foxlit | Spell_unused.blp and Spell_unused2.blp |
| 17:30.10 | foxlit | Irony, clearly - one is totemic recall, the other is hellfire superiority |
| 17:30.14 | wereHamster | the one that failed was part of a two-disk raid (0 and 1), it was a normal desktop comuter |
| 17:30.29 | zenzelezz | many spell/ability icons have strange names |
| 17:30.42 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing they were originally called different things |
| 17:31.39 | Kirov | zenzelezz - I've always liked the name of the Rapid Shot icon. |
| 17:31.58 | zenzelezz | what's that? |
| 17:32.01 | Kirov | Ability_Hunter_RunningShot |
| 17:32.15 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 17:32.25 | Kirov | The icon actually makes sense when you know it's name |
| 17:32.34 | Kirov | It also makes me want that ability |
| 17:32.39 | zenzelezz | a name like that reminds me of Anarchy Online... where you couldn't move during combat |
| 17:32.48 | zenzelezz | or rather, you could move, but not attack simultaneously |
| 17:32.59 | DARKGuy | lame |
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| 17:37.34 | zenzelezz | now that's a quick raid |
| 17:40.37 | Kajas | How would I go about blocking whispers from showing up.. I've got the hook and the filter in place working pretty well.. just wondering how to prevent messages that match the filter from being processed to the player |
| 17:41.16 | Kajas | i.e. Player A messages a command for the addon to Player B. Player B never sees the whisper nor the resulting reply sent by the AddOn |
| 17:42.58 | dylanm | What do you mean by "hook" and "filter" here |
| 17:43.00 | foxlit | Use addon channels |
| 17:45.10 | Kirov | Kajas - you have an addon where a user types something in a whisper to another player, and that player's addon sends them back information? |
| 17:45.23 | Kirov | And only one person has the addon |
| 17:45.24 | Kajas | Yes |
| 17:46.03 | Kajas | kinda like Auctioneer's "AskPrice" module. |
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| 17:46.30 | Kajas | where you can turn the verbose off and the person with the addon never sees the incomming query nor the resulting reply |
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| 17:48.01 | Kirov | Kajas - My suggestion is to look at how AskPrice works |
| 17:48.15 | Kajas | heh, already have.. and understand next to none of it |
| 17:49.07 | dylanm | Well, that has to change. |
| 17:50.59 | Kirov | The ChatFrames receive the events for messages, parses them, and then prints them to the message frame. |
| 17:52.17 | foxlit | [ http://pttbt.ca/2008/06/09/wwdc-2008.html ] |
| 17:52.34 | Kirov | What addons like AskPrice do is redefine the function to do it's own checks to see if it wants to show that message or not. If it's not a message your addon cares about it passes the event along to the original function. |
| 17:53.00 | Kirov | 52,000 attendees at WWDC. 4 of them have girlfriends |
| 17:53.03 | Kirov | nice |
| 17:54.46 | zenzelezz | those four must be the models |
| 17:56.13 | foxlit | "Allows users to harass their friends using their iPhones using geo-location tools. âLike Facebook, only more annoyingâ. (âImpossible!â replies the audience)" |
| 17:56.30 | Thunder_Child | giz does it with pictures http://live.gizmodo.com/ |
| 17:56.48 | foxlit | But they're giz, and this is pttbt! |
| 17:57.14 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 17:57.37 | foxlit | Does giz have headlines like "Banners Confirm Apple Testing Airborne RDF âiBombsâ"? |
| 17:57.57 | Thunder_Child | no, they format their stuff properly |
| 17:58.07 | Thunder_Child | "âiBombsâ" |
| 17:58.13 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 17:58.49 | foxlit | "China Accuses US of Filling Crater on Moon"? |
| 17:59.21 | foxlit | "Starbucks Denies Toxic Coffee Accusations"? |
| 17:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet |
| 17:59.37 | DARKGuy | Dammit. Anybody knows how do I find the range of this wireless kb+mouse? :( -> http://www.benq.com/products/Keyboard/?product=784 |
| 17:59.39 | Thunder_Child | ok, now i get it, it's the net's version of a checkout stand rag |
| 18:00.02 | Thunder_Child | DARKGuy, keep waking backwards till it stops working |
| 18:00.16 | DARKGuy | Thunder_Child, rofl, I want to know the range before I buy it :P |
| 18:00.33 | DARKGuy | I need something that's like, 15 feet |
| 18:00.43 | Thunder_Child | then, http://www.benq.com/page/?pageId=26 |
| 18:00.45 | Thunder_Child | enjoy |
| 18:00.49 | Kirov | DARKGuy - My guess, roughly 4 inches |
| 18:01.09 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, wireless range, not...nvm |
| 18:01.20 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: nah, still the wrong idea. More quote lobbing: "They may not have nukes, and they may not be working to build them, but I think real question is: why donât they want nukes? Are they crazy? Weâre gonna invade them! If I were them, Iâd want nukes. Theyâre like Hannibal Lecter or something, just smiling at us, licking their lips. Gives me the creeps." |
| 18:01.22 | DARKGuy | Thunder_Child, gotta love benq >>; *hates* |
| 18:01.36 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - that is including "wireless transmission" |
| 18:01.37 | DARKGuy | Kirov, :( |
| 18:02.07 | Kirov | DARKGuy - wireless mice have nitoriously short ranges. |
| 18:02.21 | DARKGuy | Kirov, yeah, max I saw was 8 feet :( |
| 18:02.31 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, meh |
| 18:02.59 | foxlit | It flies under the general heading of "humour" |
| 18:03.12 | Kirov | bluetooth mice have a supposed range of around 32 feet. |
| 18:03.30 | Kirov | But I've seen them flake out at 2 |
| 18:03.47 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, humour or retardedness |
| 18:03.57 | Thunder_Child | the line is so very very thin |
| 18:04.21 | foxlit | I'm sure humour is retardedness if you don't get it :) |
| 18:04.46 | Thunder_Child | well, we dont get you... |
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| 18:05.21 | Kirov | DARKGuy - the range of a wireless device has a lot to do with the existing ambient "noise" of where it's being used. |
| 18:06.00 | Kirov | DARKGuy - Wifi for example can have a range of ~100 feet, but if you're using it in an area with lots of other wireless devices you might only get 20 |
| 18:06.04 | DARKGuy | Kirov, yeah I have read that - if I place it on a very, very high spot, I'm guaranteed to have a large range, I assume? |
| 18:06.14 | Kirov | Larger |
| 18:06.19 | DARKGuy | *larger, sorry =p |
| 18:07.02 | Kirov | Usually the dongle for wireless mice are on a fairly short cord, so getting them too high up might be difficult. |
| 18:07.20 | Kirov | And the increased range might be worse than the distance depending on what's between it. |
| 18:07.35 | Kirov | height factor is more an issue for line of sight. |
| 18:08.10 | Kirov | As well as people who live in two-story + buildings who have their wifi on the floor of the basement and wonder why they can't get good reception on the top floor. |
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| 18:15.19 | Kirov | DARKGuy - may I ask why you need 15 feet? |
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| 18:17.18 | DARKGuy | Kirov, oh, it's a home project of mine :P |
| 18:17.32 | DARKGuy | comp is connected to the living room's TV, without mom noticing yet :O |
| 18:17.44 | Kirov | ah |
| 18:17.58 | DARKGuy | I have audio and video already set up ^_^ but now I need to control the 2nd screen, and I need to be actually there xD |
| 18:18.20 | DARKGuy | direct distance is 11 feet tho, but I wanted 15 to be safe |
| 18:18.34 | DARKGuy | I'm thinking into getting a 5-meter USB cable and connect the dongle there :D |
| 18:18.40 | Kirov | For anything with that range you're going to want to look for a high quality (~$40+) wireless mouse, either Bluetooth or a Logitech. |
| 18:19.17 | Kirov | Getting the usual wireless mouse to get any kind of range at all is asking a lot. |
| 18:19.28 | DARKGuy | huh :/ |
| 18:19.39 | DARKGuy | So, bluetooth is better than wifi when it comes to this stuff? I thought BT was for very close-range stuff |
| 18:20.02 | Kirov | Wifi has better range, but there are no Wifi mice |
| 18:20.24 | Thunder_Child | BT has diff ranges based on the class of it |
| 18:20.25 | zenzelezz | computer connected to TV, mom doesn't know... high resolution porn! |
| 18:20.29 | wereHamster | there are 2.4GHz mice though |
| 18:20.39 | Kirov | bluetooth has an effective range of 32 feet, in practice it's closer to 10, but it might be good enough. |
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| 18:20.50 | DARKGuy | lol zenzelezz :D |
| 18:21.02 | Kirov | wereHamster - which is why I mentioned Logitech |
| 18:21.31 | Kirov | I "can" use my mouse at 15 feet away. It's not happy about it, but it works. |
| 18:22.21 | Kirov | For an example of range of bluetooth, the Nintendo Wii, Sony PS3, and the XBox 360 all use bluetooth (or very similar, though proprietary, wireless systems) |
| 18:22.56 | Kirov | You can use a wiimote from 50 feet away if you so choose, but it's not recommended. |
| 18:23.19 | Kirov | Nintendo also tend to push the power of their wireless devices a bit. |
| 18:24.10 | Kirov | the Wavebird is somewhat infamous as being able to work flawlessly from 150 feet |
| 18:24.36 | wereHamster | what's wavebird? |
| 18:24.53 | Kirov | The best wireless controller ever made. |
| 18:24.54 | kd3 | <3 wavebird |
| 18:25.06 | DARKGuy | :o really? |
| 18:25.26 | DARKGuy | the Logitech EX110 looks pretty nice for my budget this month's half, does it look good? http://www.buy.com/prod/logitech-ex110-cordless-desktop/q/loc/101/201964907.html |
| 18:25.26 | Thunder_Child | http://www.iogear.com/product/GKM541R/ this says 33 ft. range |
| 18:26.33 | DARKGuy | sweeeet |
| 18:26.56 | DARKGuy | I'm locked to buying stuff locally, damn country. So my choices on logitech are very limited :( -> http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ve/mouse-wireless-logitech |
| 18:27.14 | Kirov | DARKGuy - that logitech one you linked would not be a good one. |
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| 18:28.04 | DARKGuy | bummer :( |
| 18:28.55 | DARKGuy | Heeeeeeeeeeeey |
| 18:28.55 | DARKGuy | http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ve/MLV-8881205-teclado-mouse-inalambrico-iogear-usb-fd-_JM |
| 18:28.56 | DARKGuy | :D |
| 18:29.17 | Kirov | DARKGuy - most cheap mice or ~$30 combos are going to be 27 Mhz. You really need 2.4 Ghz for range |
| 18:29.45 | nevcairiel | get cables imho |
| 18:30.36 | DARKGuy | I'll end up getting in the way :P |
| 18:30.53 | DARKGuy | that iogear is pretty cheap for me |
| 18:30.56 | DARKGuy | <3 |
| 18:31.13 | Thunder_Child | well the io gear uses 2.4 ghz |
| 18:31.40 | Thunder_Child | so that should placate Kirov |
| 18:32.54 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:33.04 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 18:33.15 | DARKGuy | Sweet, I'm getting that one this month's half :D |
| 18:33.40 | DARKGuy | then an USB extender, and I'll have X-Box on the huge-ass TV |
| 18:33.58 | DARKGuy | X-Box, DVD, PS2, Nintendo, MAME, and WoW. |
| 18:34.09 | DARKGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.22 | Kirov | porn, don |
| 18:34.26 | Kirov | 't forget the porn |
| 18:34.32 | DARKGuy | Ah obviously :D |
| 18:34.49 | DARKGuy | porn comes in DVD so that works :P |
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| 18:35.28 | nevcairiel | hm, is there bluray porn yet? |
| 18:35.35 | nevcairiel | you need to upgrade to ps3 for bluray! |
| 18:35.39 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 18:35.51 | Thunder_Child | looks like they just debued the 3G |
| 18:36.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: there is. |
| 18:38.12 | Zyuu | haha |
| 18:39.23 | AckisWork | why am I having a hard time determining if Kalecgos is dead? |
| 18:39.27 | DARKGuy | Well, brb ^_^ |
| 18:39.33 | DARKGuy | it's un-kill-able |
| 18:40.13 | AckisWork | well you know what I mean :P how can I find out if the boss encounter was successful? |
| 18:40.19 | AckisWork | UNIT_DIED doesn't seem to get fired |
| 18:40.31 | nevcairiel | because UNIT_DIED is still bugged |
| 18:40.48 | AckisWork | ffs really? |
| 18:40.53 | nevcairiel | try checking for UNIT_DIED on the demon? |
| 18:41.07 | AnduinLothar | +GPS |
| 18:41.11 | AnduinLothar | mt |
| 18:41.41 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: I check on both kalec and sath I think |
| 18:41.55 | Thunder_Child | AnduinLothar, share the love |
| 18:42.19 | AnduinLothar | iphone w/ 3G, black plastic case, GPS |
| 18:42.42 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 18:42.49 | Shirik | ok so I look at the label on these breath mints I got, and it says on it "Sugar Free - Not for weight control" .... wtf? |
| 18:43.02 | Thunder_Child | the nice thing is the GPS uses 3 sources |
| 18:43.29 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: trigger on the emote or something? or when the dragon turns friendly? |
| 18:43.31 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, a lot of sugar free products that aren't "nutritional" say that now. Sugar free does not equal calorie free... |
| 18:44.00 | Shirik | I'm just confused as to why you would have to say "not for weight control" ... people actually buy breath mints to lose weight? |
| 18:44.18 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, people are idiots, end of story |
| 18:44.29 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: I was thinking about that as well, don't have the emote text with me right now though |
| 18:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | They assume that any sugar free product is "free" for their diets, etc.... it's like the "this is hot stuff" warnings that go on coffee. The DUH factor must not be underestimated. |
| 18:44.39 | zenzelezz | it's thigns like that that makes us think every American is a stupid American |
| 18:45.00 | Dashkal | Remove all warning labels and let nature take its course... |
| 18:45.01 | zenzelezz | ironically I had to typo as I wrote that |
| 18:45.05 | Drundia | i'm sure breath mints add less weight than eating something that you would eat for similar amount of time |
| 18:45.08 | Shirik | agree with Dashkal |
| 18:45.30 | Shirik | warning: sharp knife |
| 18:45.31 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:45.56 | Thunder_Child | or "please do not use Hairdryer while in the tub or while sleeping" |
| 18:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | Warning, redhead temper |
| 18:46.02 | Dashkal | Coffee is hot... Deal. Knives are sharp... deal. Hair dryers should not be used in the bathtub... *blinks* |
| 18:46.23 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, or sleeping....it actaully says that |
| 18:46.29 | Dashkal | Know what? If you're that dumb... go right ahead |
| 18:46.30 | zenzelezz | I was looking at the safety leaflet that came with my laptop yesterday. "Do not submerge battry in water." "Do not throw battery into fire." "If the battery leaks, do not get battery acid on your skin, in your eyes or mouth, or other ..." |
| 18:46.47 | Dashkal | The "reasonable person" has a kindergarden education these days... *sighs* |
| 18:46.59 | zenzelezz | "Hey, there's goo coming out of this battery - I'd better try to get a closer look at it is" |
| 18:47.00 | Dashkal | I was taught electricity is dangerous in grade 4 for crying out loud! |
| 18:47.11 | Shirik | eh |
| 18:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, lick it to see if it's jelly! |
| 18:47.23 | zenzelezz | I am totally making a fool of myself with my typing today |
| 18:47.26 | Shirik | in 3rd grade I was in a class with someone who decided to stick some wires and a lightbulb into a light switch |
| 18:47.34 | Shirik | when we were doing the "batteries and bulbs" unit |
| 18:47.40 | zenzelezz | <Lopeppeppy> zenzelezz, lick it <-- I love it when you talk dirty |
| 18:48.10 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I really hope you're not going to blizzcon. Lopeppeppy will murder you |
| 18:48.29 | zenzelezz | would be a sweet way to go |
| 18:48.31 | Lopeppeppy | Reference temper and sharp knives above. *sweet smile* |
| 18:48.32 | Thunder_Child | that assumes Lopeppeppy will be there |
| 18:48.34 | zenzelezz | but alas, I can't go there |
| 18:49.08 | zenzelezz | either way, I don't think peppy would kill me. Maim perhaps |
| 18:49.25 | Drundia | i heard it was once in court that a woman sued some company for not informing that she shouldn't dry her cat in microwave |
| 18:49.50 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, i wish...the pictures would be lovely |
| 18:50.08 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rinkworks.com/said/im/battery.shtml |
| 18:50.14 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: did you see the picture I linked you earlier? |
| 18:50.35 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/08/funny-pictures-oh-grate/ |
| 18:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, I am strongly planning on attending. Once tickets go on sale, I shall purchase and be goin'. |
| 18:51.45 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 18:51.45 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags zenzelezz into court suing for $200 million |
| 18:51.53 | Thunder_Child | thanks for reposting it....ass |
| 18:51.58 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, gratz |
| 18:52.13 | zenzelezz | I knew you'd love it |
| 18:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | Here's my new favorite. http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/09/funny-pictures-her-eyes-not-down-here/ |
| 18:53.18 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:54.59 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, just be smarter than Cairenn and dont get caught in any compromising situations. |
| 18:55.20 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child... um... not gonna happen! :) Cairenn and I are twins in some respects. |
| 18:55.48 | Shirik | is Thunder_Child trying to attend/ |
| 18:55.50 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:55.55 | Thunder_Child | not trying |
| 18:56.07 | Thunder_Child | wait what? the first part says no, the second part says yes... |
| 18:56.51 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i had fun last year, and even though i dont play wow anymore i still want to go |
| 18:56.51 | Shirik | "not trying" is that a "yes I'm going" or "no I'm not" |
| 18:57.01 | Shirik | nice :) |
| 18:57.12 | zenzelezz | I suspect there will be more people bringing cameras this year to make sure we get some photos of the ladies |
| 18:57.18 | Kajas | is it possible to intercept the main whisper function to read the message and then determine whether or not to pass it on the the processor for display on the screen [for both incomming and outgoing messages]? |
| 18:57.23 | Shirik | oh I very much intend to bring my SLR |
| 18:57.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, film? |
| 18:57.35 | Shirik | I already warned Cairenn|afk of its extremely high shutter rate and rapid advance |
| 18:57.41 | Shirik | yes film :P |
| 18:57.58 | Shirik | working on getting a new camera |
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| 18:58.03 | Thunder_Child | though iriel might have you beat in that department |
| 18:58.10 | Shirik | I think Iriel does |
| 18:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | Evil male critters. *laugh* Whatever makes you happy, I'm not as special as all that. |
| 18:58.13 | Shirik | my camera's a bit old |
| 18:58.23 | Shirik | but it's still got 1/2000 shutter speed and 5 frames/sec |
| 18:58.51 | Thunder_Child | way old...even mine beats that and it's low end prosumer |
| 18:59.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:59.09 | Shirik | fine! |
| 18:59.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go to digital, your wallet will thank you |
| 18:59.46 | Shirik | I am trying to |
| 18:59.50 | Shirik | but right now my wallet says no |
| 19:00.00 | Thunder_Child | well it's a long run view |
| 19:00.00 | Shirik | when I go to digital I want it to be the right one |
| 19:00.23 | Thunder_Child | if only you put that much effort into women... |
| 19:00.38 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 19:00.59 | Thunder_Child | yes Lopeppeppy? you have something you wish to add? |
| 19:01.07 | Shirik | I think she added 5 dots |
| 19:01.15 | Shirik | very loud and clear to me :) |
| 19:01.15 | Thunder_Child | i mean more than that |
| 19:01.19 | Thunder_Child | meant* |
| 19:01.20 | Lopeppeppy | I did. And Shirik counted them, which means he interpreted my Morse code correctly |
| 19:02.10 | Thunder_Child | add TO the badly formated Ellipsis |
| 19:02.33 | Lopeppeppy | Go ahead, I don't mind if you do. |
| 19:02.39 | Shirik | formated (sp?) |
| 19:02.39 | batbot | Shirik, formated is correct. |
| 19:02.45 | Shirik | formatted (sp?) |
| 19:02.45 | batbot | Shirik, formatted is correct. |
| 19:02.48 | Shirik | that's odd... |
| 19:03.00 | Cide | it's formatted |
| 19:03.05 | Shirik | that's what I thought |
| 19:03.25 | Shirik | ~dict formated |
| 19:03.30 | Thunder_Child | seems batbot spells like i do |
| 19:03.32 | Shirik | ~lart batbot |
| 19:03.32 | purl | takes out batbot with the trash |
| 19:07.13 | kd3 | how do I concat a string that may be a null? "foo"..var or ''.."bar"? |
| 19:09.43 | Drundia | more like "foo"..(var or '').."bar" due to operator precedence |
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| 19:11.56 | kd3 | hm... what else can I fit into a macro? |
| 19:12.06 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.11 | Lopeppeppy | macaroni and cheese would ben ice... |
| 19:12.55 | Shirik | drop the ; in between 'target' and ChatFrame1 |
| 19:13.01 | Shirik | if you're trying to compress it |
| 19:15.20 | cncfanatics | kd3, make custom macro buttons ? they're not size limited |
| 19:15.50 | kd3 | trying to do something w/o addons. don't want to go through the pain of trying to set that up from the input box |
| 19:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: UnitTitle() isn't valud |
| 19:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | *valid |
| 19:16.50 | kd3 | bah. /tabs open the api page |
| 19:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | =nil |
| 19:17.18 | kd3 | not in front of wow atm. trying to drycode an infodump macro for npcs |
| 19:17.37 | kd3 | can we get the faction/title from api calls? or is that tooltip scraping? |
| 19:17.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Might be in the tooltip, not sure |
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| 19:26.32 | Kajas | How can I convert a hex color code into the "0 - 1" value used in the SetTextColor(red,green,blue,alpha) call? |
| 19:27.46 | Kajas | my guess was to convert the hex to decimal, and divide that number by 255 (FF) to get a percentage |
| 19:28.03 | kd3 | har... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7015086958&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 19:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, I can remember everything but the function I need to do it :P |
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| 19:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Kajas: string.format("%x", "14") -- returns "e" |
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| 19:33.17 | dylanm | lua> tonumber("a0", 16)/255 |
| 19:33.18 | lua_bot | dylanm: 0.62745098039216 |
| 19:35.12 | dylanm | Kajas: Like that. |
| 19:35.56 | Kajas | perfect, thanks :) |
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| 19:43.11 | Shirik | hi Zootfizzle |
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| 19:44.56 | Zootfizzle | Heya Shirik |
| 19:48.00 | Sixen | Hai2u Zoot. |
| 19:48.07 | Sixen | And kd3. |
| 19:48.17 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 19:48.22 | Zootfizzle | Heya ;) |
| 19:48.59 | Sixen | I like how the forum search function is still down, :(. |
| 19:49.29 | kd3 | I'd just like to stay logged in for more than 30 seconds at a time. >.>; |
| 19:49.36 | foxlit | use google, really |
| 19:49.44 | foxlit | it seems to index wow forums just fine |
| 19:49.50 | Kirov | Sixen - that's silly, it works fine. You're just obviously searching for something that there are no results for. |
| 19:49.53 | Kirov | >.< |
| 19:49.54 | Sixen | Hm? |
| 19:49.58 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, I was having that problem too, I cleared my cache and cookies and it helped lots. |
| 19:50.00 | Sixen | I tried looking at someone's post history. |
| 19:50.13 | Sixen | Tyren's, to be specific. And Luumht's of the Latin Forums to check something. |
| 19:50.16 | Sixen | Neither showed any results. |
| 19:50.17 | Kirov | <- Ass, ignore. |
| 19:51.55 | kd3 | lope; meh. those clear every time I close fx. I'm pretty sure it's serverside, but without access I don't exactly want to be anywhere near, I won't know for sure |
| 19:51.55 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - move? |
| 19:52.20 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: normally I'd say come over here, but we've had three straight weeks of sun :-( |
| 19:52.32 | Lopeppeppy | Kirov, this is unusually hot weather for the area, scary day. |
| 19:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, the forums have been a weeeee bit loopy since their upgrade, hopefully they get more cuddlesome soon for you. |
| 19:52.56 | Kirov | Could come to San Francisco. "Hot and Sunny" means any day that's not overcast and feezing cold. |
| 19:53.43 | Kirov | Like today is hot and sunny at a scorching 55 degrees. |
| 19:53.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm looking forward to visiting California one day, yup. |
| 19:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Bright stars, how can I be at 100+ and you at 55? *laugh* |
| 19:54.40 | zenzelezz | that's the downside of being hot like you are |
| 19:55.18 | Kirov | Or you could move to Alaska. Warm days there just mean you'll die to exposure in 5 hours instead of 5 minutes. |
| 19:55.50 | Shirik | ~weather KEWR |
| 19:55.58 | Shirik | ^ yuckie |
| 19:56.08 | Shirik | I came up from florida expecting it to be cold |
| 19:56.10 | Shirik | not 98 degrees |
| 19:56.36 | Kirov | Shirik - people move from NJ to Florida because it's cooler in Florida. |
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| 19:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, Zoot is here |
| 19:56.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought he died |
| 19:57.02 | Kirov | It might snow in NJ, but it rains in Florida |
| 19:57.02 | Shirik | not actually in NJ |
| 19:57.04 | Shirik | but it's close enough |
| 19:57.13 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
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| 19:57.25 | Shirik | ^ June 22, I'm back there finally |
| 19:57.29 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, Albany isn't all that far from Newark.... I don't know my airport code though, I fail. |
| 19:57.50 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: I was looking for someone who was suffering from the memory allocation error that people discussing, so I could take their AddOns directory from them |
| 19:57.59 | Shirik | heh Lopeppeppy |
| 19:58.04 | Shirik | it's very simple |
| 19:58.05 | Kirov | Though ... Florida is the only place I've ever been were it can be raining and 100 degrees at the same time. |
| 19:58.07 | Shirik | ~weather KALB |
| 19:58.13 | Kirov | Rain isn't supposed to hurt when it hits you. |
| 19:58.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: ! |
| 19:58.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: sec, I might know someone |
| 19:58.52 | Kirov | ~weather SFO |
| 19:59.25 | Kirov | ~weather KSFO |
| 19:59.42 | Kirov | wow, it's HOT over at the airport |
| 19:59.43 | Kirov | ;) |
| 20:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: okay, so the guy I know is stuck at work. He'll be home in two-ish hours |
| 20:01.20 | zenzelezz | ~weather encn |
| 20:01.28 | Kirov | One thing I'll never understand about Florida: when it gets to about 75 degrees outside people start complaining how cold it is and throw on sweaters and big coats. Fine, I understand it's hot most of the time in Florida, but they keep the AC cranked up inside of every building so that it's like negative 20 degrees. |
| 20:03.45 | Keias | 75F is too hot imo :( |
| 20:03.52 | Keias | 65F or lower! |
| 20:03.59 | Keias | Heat doesn't agree with me. |
| 20:04.00 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: Cool, I should be here =) |
| 20:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | He's planning on just PMing you a URL |
| 20:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Will probably be named "leftbracket" because the folks in #wowace got annoyed over his last name :P (which was "]") |
| 20:05.15 | zenzelezz | 7msg Zootfizzle ScytheBlade1 told me to send you this http://topsecret.wowinterface.com/hawtnudepics.zip |
| 20:05.17 | zenzelezz | ffs |
| 20:05.25 | Keias | ~weather KFWA |
| 20:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:05.41 | Keias | just rained too >:( |
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| 20:21.02 | Shirik | anyone have any take on this statement from MSDN? |
| 20:21.05 | Shirik | "This warning is always issued as an error. Use the warning pragma to disable C4368. |
| 20:21.13 | Shirik | Does that mean it's an error that you can disable? |
| 20:21.23 | Shirik | that seems a bit... odd |
| 20:21.38 | Valaron|Work | To me, it sounds like a warning.. but labeled as an error message. |
| 20:22.00 | zenzelezz | "this warning" makes it sound like a warning, just one that is considered very bad, and therefore reported as an error |
| 20:22.12 | zenzelezz | and I believe all warnings can be disabled |
| 20:22.39 | Shirik | most warnings can, it just seemed odd to me to have it be an error without /WX |
| 20:22.57 | Shirik | there are a few warnings you can't disable for strange reasons |
| 20:23.17 | zenzelezz | "You cannot embed a native data member in a CLR type." - it does sound like something you really don't want to happen |
| 20:23.55 | Shirik | oh I totally agree I shouldn't do it :) |
| 20:23.58 | Shirik | It just found it odd |
| 20:24.09 | Shirik | honestly I expected it to be an error |
| 20:24.32 | zenzelezz | I suppose it's just because of the language syntax or something like that; valid but not supported perhaps |
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| 20:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what sucks? |
| 20:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Job hunting |
| 20:30.42 | zenzelezz | better than job haunting |
| 20:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I had that recently. It's died down. |
| 20:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | [terrible pun intended] |
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| 20:51.24 | Kajas | hrm.. if the FramesXML.lua files says "Error Loading Interface/Addons/MyAddon/file.lua" but gives no error, or line.. and ingame it just says something like "[string "MyAddon_Main:OnEvent"] line 1: attempt to call global 'MyAddon_EventHandler' (a nil value) .. where can I look for the error. "MyAddon_EventHandler" is in a different file, that is listed on the TOC. |
| 20:51.46 | Kajas | in fact.. "MyAddon_EventHandler" is in the file that FramesXML.lua can't read in |
| 20:52.27 | Bela|work | make sure you didn't mispell something in the toc |
| 20:52.36 | Bela|work | it sounds like it can't find the file you are referencing |
| 20:53.15 | Kajas | double checked.. even copy-pasted the name to rename the file |
| 20:53.28 | Bela|work | and you are using relative path right? |
| 20:53.31 | Bela|work | not absolute |
| 20:53.33 | Kajas | Son of a turtle wax |
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| 20:53.54 | Kajas | I'm such a doof.. lol.. saved the events.lua file as "events.lua.txt" |
| 20:54.01 | Bela|work | ouch |
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| 20:58.52 | Kajas | crap.. didn't fix anything.. hrmmm |
| 20:59.01 | Wikwocket | Let me guess, do we have Windows Notepad to thank for that? :) |
| 20:59.08 | Kajas | lol, yep |
| 20:59.21 | Kajas | Still giving me the same error in FramesXML though |
| 20:59.35 | Wikwocket | I can't say enough good things about EditPad, Pro or Lite |
| 20:59.37 | Kajas | and this time I know it's .lua not .lua.txt |
| 20:59.47 | zenzelezz | you say it's in the .toc, are they listed in the correct load order? |
| 21:00.05 | Kajas | The events file is the last in the listing |
| 21:00.16 | zenzelezz | the one that contains the function? |
| 21:00.50 | Kajas | the Main frame has the <onEvent> [first file to load] [5 others load] then [events file loads] |
| 21:00.58 | zenzelezz | the files in the .toc load top to bottom; so you need to make sure they load in a way that makes them see what they need to see |
| 21:01.47 | Kajas | <onEvent> MyAddon_ProcessEvent() </OnEvent> the "MyAddon_ProcessEvent" function is in the events.lua file which is last in the load order |
| 21:02.01 | zenzelezz | and that's your problem |
| 21:02.03 | Kajas | where as that "OnEvent" tag is in the first file that loads |
| 21:02.08 | Kajas | oh.. |
| 21:02.28 | Kajas | Bad load order would give a FramsXML.lua error? |
| 21:02.33 | Kajas | *notes* |
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| 21:05.16 | Kajas | ok, I surrender.. changed the load order and still getting the same error. Goign to put them up on pastey for a fresh set of eyes to point out the obvious mistake I did |
| 21:08.33 | Kajas | Both the TOC and the Code file are at http://www.pastey.net/89191 |
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| 21:08.57 | Kajas | oh, and I'll ad the FramesXML.lua extract to it as well |
| 21:09.55 | Kajas | there, all done |
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| 21:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:20.01 | ScytheBlade1 | In the Penny Arcade game, you can click on mailboxes |
| 21:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | This one says two things |
| 21:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "There is no name plate on this one." and |
| 21:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Flyer: "Dear occupant! Buy some gold already!" |
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| 21:27.07 | Kajas | When you call an event from the <OnEvent> tag and call, say, "Process_Event()" and then declare it as "function Process_Event(...)" is it not possible to just under that do an if statenemtn and then "local var1, var2, var3 = ..." to get values? |
| 21:27.16 | Kajas | if you would prefer a pastey, just ask |
| 21:27.52 | Shirik | I don't really understand your question |
| 21:28.01 | Kajas | :) |
| 21:28.11 | Shirik | yes, you can do "local var1, var2, var3 = ..." |
| 21:28.12 | Shirik | if you want |
| 21:28.51 | Kajas | In the XML I have <OnEvent> MyAddon_ProcessEvent() </OnEvent> but I have 4 events registered. so on ProcEvent(...) function if Event==even1 then var1 var2 var3 = ... |
| 21:29.05 | Kajas | but var2 and var3 come up as nil when I know there should be data there |
| 21:29.27 | Shirik | in your XML you need to do MyAddon_ProcessEvent(event, arg1, arg2, arg3) |
| 21:30.10 | Kajas | hrm.. can I do ProcessEvent(...) to capture all the args since I'm catching multiple events.. or do I have to put an if statement there and then call the event processor? |
| 21:30.33 | Shirik | I don't know if OnEvent supplies a vararg tuple to use |
| 21:30.44 | Shirik | it could |
| 21:30.49 | Shirik | there's only one way to find out |
| 21:30.51 | Kajas | heh, one way to find out. |
| 21:30.54 | Kajas | :) |
| 21:31.03 | Shirik | but you certainly can't do <OnEvent> MyAddon_ProcessEvent() </OnEvent> |
| 21:31.07 | Shirik | you need to pass /something/ |
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| 21:32.23 | Kajas | That was my error then.. I -assumed- it auto passed the args.. today has been a very off day for me on the coding field.. gotten stuck by 3 elementary things (such as .lua.txt) today :-\ |
| 21:33.15 | zenzelezz | nothing wrong with such problems; just try to remember them and not repeat them =) |
| 21:37.58 | Kajas | Yep, the <OnEvent> will take the tuple |
| 21:39.12 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that works fine if you only have one event to speak of :P |
| 21:39.33 | Shirik | hm? |
| 21:40.23 | nevcairiel | also, scripts should be defined in Lua, at least you know your function ref |
| 21:40.42 | Shirik | you know how much I hate xml :P |
| 21:40.43 | nevcairiel | scripts add a header on top of that , its somewhere on wowwiki |
| 21:40.52 | Shirik | I just give up on telling people not to use i t |
| 21:40.59 | nevcairiel | its probably using ... |
| 21:41.30 | nevcairiel | i just figured out why my 3d board game was all mirror'ed and looking funky \o/ |
| 21:41.40 | nevcairiel | now the stones dont move in the wrong direction anymore :) |
| 21:41.53 | Shirik | yey |
| 21:42.00 | Shirik | now help me figure out how to correct my 3D skew problem |
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| 21:42.13 | Cide | here's a guide |
| 21:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | Tip your head to the side. |
| 21:42.24 | Shirik | correcting POV of a 2-dimensional object in 3-d space |
| 21:42.33 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: that's the idea >< |
| 21:42.48 | Cide | [ 1 0 ]\n[ 0 1 ] * -- = | |
| 21:42.51 | nevcairiel | I need to add a 2D overlay for a simple HUD |
| 21:43.00 | nevcairiel | no idea how o.O |
| 21:43.33 | Shirik | identity matrix? |
| 21:44.01 | nevcairiel | i guess i need to change the rendering to orthogonal after i did the 3d rendering |
| 21:44.08 | Cide | I fail |
| 21:44.26 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.30 | Shirik | was that your attempt to rotate 90 degrees? |
| 21:44.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:44.33 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:44.44 | Shirik | it does a good job of rotating 0 degrees :) |
| 21:44.52 | Cide | indeed |
| 21:44.57 | Cide | or 360 degrees even |
| 21:45.09 | Shirik | that too |
| 21:45.13 | Shirik | it's versatile |
| 21:45.15 | Cide | aye |
| 21:45.22 | Cide | in fact, it can do an infinite number of rotations! |
| 21:45.29 | nevcairiel | i created a dice with rounded edges today, man thats a sucky amount of vertices! |
| 21:45.32 | Shirik | most impressive |
| 21:45.36 | Cide | /bow |
| 21:45.48 | Shirik | nevcairiel: RoundedRect()? |
| 21:45.52 | Shirik | win. |
| 21:46.09 | nevcairiel | in OpenGL and 3d please |
| 21:46.20 | Shirik | screw opengl |
| 21:46.22 | Shirik | gogo win32 |
| 21:46.31 | Shirik | that's not even DX :D |
| 21:46.45 | zenzelezz | ogo NURBS |
| 21:46.54 | Shirik | you just need to perform a screen transform to make it 3d |
| 21:47.31 | nevcairiel | well now i am done :P 3 cubes, 8 spheres, and 12 cylinders! |
| 21:48.25 | nevcairiel | only missing a roll animation of the dice |
| 21:48.33 | nevcairiel | oh yeah, and actually numbers on the dice, its all white now, hehe |
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| 21:53.55 | erikd | doh, sqlite only supports signed 64 bit ints and i want to store unsigned =/ |
| 21:57.58 | nevcairiel | so store it signed and cast it afterwards? |
| 21:59.46 | Shirik | what's wrong with storing it signed |
| 21:59.59 | Shirik | casting to and back will (should) yield the same number |
| 22:04.21 | erikd | hmmm |
| 22:04.27 | erikd | that'd work :P |
| 22:04.35 | erikd | <-- not thinking |
| 22:04.44 | nevcairiel | 64 bits is 64 bits |
| 22:04.48 | nevcairiel | what you store in it.. |
| 22:04.48 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:06.25 | erikd | what's the max length of a name in wow (npc or pc)? |
| 22:07.38 | Zootfizzle | Why? ;) |
| 22:07.56 | Lopeppeppy | Lopeppeppy fits! :) |
| 22:08.12 | ScytheBlade1 | NPC names can be longer than character names |
| 22:08.21 | erikd | for my db schema, though i guess it doesn't matter if i use a varchar |
| 22:08.27 | Lopeppeppy | Of course they can, they even get last names. |
| 22:08.56 | Zootfizzle | Hey ScytheBlade1, any sign of your friend? |
| 22:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | He shouldn't be too much longer |
| 22:13.25 | bleeter | aargh... |
| 22:13.31 | bleeter | the early morning scream of horror |
| 22:16.26 | hi11ie | does anyone know how the {star} stuff works? I can't get it to work. i tried {star}, |{star}, |T{star}, and also \124 instead of | |
| 22:16.48 | nevcairiel | just {star} should work fine |
| 22:16.53 | nevcairiel | HOWEVER, its localized |
| 22:17.03 | hi11ie | hm |
| 22:17.08 | foxlit | There's also a preferences switch |
| 22:17.10 | nevcairiel | you can use {rt1} if you want it to work on all clients |
| 22:17.23 | hi11ie | foxlit: ahh |
| 22:17.26 | foxlit | So even if you use {star}, there's little guarantee that people will actually see it |
| 22:17.28 | nevcairiel | (rt1 = raid target 1 = star } |
| 22:17.31 | hi11ie | foxlit: well i've seen ppl spamming it so it must be enabled |
| 22:18.04 | hi11ie | ? |
| 22:18.42 | nevcairiel | i _think_ you cannot use it in public channels |
| 22:18.48 | nevcairiel | iirc, anyway |
| 22:18.50 | Kajas | hmmmm.... |
| 22:19.21 | bleeter | â½ |
| 22:19.27 | foxlit | OPTION_TOOLTIP_SHOW_CHAT_ICONS = "Controls whether or not icon links in auto-joined chat channels (such as Trade) are displayed as icons."; |
| 22:19.33 | foxlit | That might be what that's about. |
| 22:19.58 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 22:20.04 | nevcairiel | you can only turn it off in the channels |
| 22:20.06 | nevcairiel | not everwhere |
| 22:20.07 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:20.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: I've gotta afk, but I left a reminder message for him - and he really shouldn't be too much longer, with any luck |
| 22:20.51 | Kajas | local body,_,_ = GetInboxText(n) gives off a nil value when I try to print 'body' to the chat frame... anyone familiar with this function? |
| 22:21.36 | nevcairiel | maybe an invalid index? |
| 22:22.08 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: afk at a critical moment? that's it, ima gkick your ass! :P |
| 22:22.10 | Kajas | doubtful because it's in a for loop: for n = 1,GetInboxNumItems() do |
| 22:22.34 | nevcairiel | do you get anything? |
| 22:22.43 | nevcairiel | or error on first? |
| 22:22.57 | nevcairiel | maybe GetInboxText is 0 based |
| 22:22.58 | hi11ie | neither {star} nor {rt1} show up, ijust see the text.. and that option is on |
| 22:22.58 | nevcairiel | who knows! |
| 22:23.04 | Kajas | "attempt to concatenate local 'body' (a nil value) |
| 22:23.15 | Kajas | I have 5 unread notices in my inbox, lol |
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| 22:23.37 | hi11ie | foxlit: i was gonna put a {square} in front of my afk log playback to do what i was trying to do yesterday with fontstring textures/bg :) |
| 22:23.37 | bleeter | <GM Syndri> AddOns are delicious treats that should be eaten in large quantities |
| 22:24.05 | hi11ie | if it has a big square in front they def aren't normal chat msgs |
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| 22:24.49 | nevcairiel | hi11ie: oh custom chat ouput? the {star} thingys only work in real chat thats parsed by the game |
| 22:25.09 | hi11ie | oh |
| 22:25.23 | nevcairiel | you need to use the real texture syntax |
| 22:27.01 | hi11ie | k |
| 22:27.16 | nevcairiel | |TInterface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-RaidTargetingIcon_1:0|t |
| 22:27.25 | nevcairiel | i think that works *shrug |
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| 22:29.29 | hi11ie | it did |
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| 22:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I see a morlais |
| 22:49.20 | Shirik | I see a ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying to come up with some random comeback but I've got nothing |
| 22:50.29 | Lopeppeppy | Tuller: Ping? |
| 22:53.51 | Tuller | Lopeppeppy: ? |
| 22:54.11 | Lopeppeppy | I promised to show you this thread, of epic legendary need. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7015145656&sid=1 |
| 22:55.19 | Tuller | increase the minimum size option until they disappear |
| 22:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah. *laugh* I wonder if they ever just poke at the options themselves, you know? |
| 22:56.17 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - why would you do that? It might break something! |
| 22:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | Back up your WTF folder and play away, IMO. But this from the chick who breaks her work server all the time, playing with things.... |
| 22:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | And thank you Tuller. *hugs* |
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| 22:58.26 | Kirov | Lopeppeppy - and I'm the type of person who'll try and rewrite part of a raid frames addon because something about it's features annoy me ... during a boss fight. :) |
| 22:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, I'm not that mental, Kirov, you win! |
| 22:59.53 | Kirov | Usually it's my fiancee muttering something about how something isn't right, and a few minutes later I'll tell her to reload her ui. |
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| 23:00.25 | Kirov | usually it'll break things badly, and she'll complain, because she's trying to kill something. |
| 23:00.33 | Kirov | ... |
| 23:00.50 | Lopeppeppy | That would put you next on the kill target list, IMO |
| 23:01.09 | Kirov | It's usually fixed before she's done killing that one. :) |
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| 23:24.47 | Tuller | so this week may or may not be, "I get a ps3" week |
| 23:25.23 | Tuller | murphy's law will entail there being a new 360 as soon as I get one |
| 23:26.32 | Nechckn | but of course |
| 23:26.39 | Nechckn | isn't that how it always goes? |
| 23:27.20 | Tuller | something like that |
| 23:27.23 | DARKGuy | 360 > PS3 |
| 23:27.47 | Tuller | 360 > ps3 to me, only if you don't have a pc capable of playing games ported to the pc from the 360 |
| 23:28.02 | Nechckn | In general, I agree with you DARKGuy, simply because it's been around for so long and I have so many titles for it already |
| 23:28.16 | Nechckn | the PS3 plays well and all.. it's just uninspiring |
| 23:28.22 | Nechckn | since it's not "different" |
| 23:29.32 | Tuller | right |
| 23:29.52 | Kirov | I personally hate the PS3 |
| 23:30.07 | Tuller | I hated it at release :P |
| 23:30.10 | bleeter | is it easier to get other OS's to work on PS3 than 360? |
| 23:30.20 | Tuller | yes/no |
| 23:30.42 | Kirov | I hate it because Sony has done an amazing job at convincing the public that it is a more powerful machine than the 360. |
| 23:30.55 | Kirov | In reality, the 360 is about twice as fast. |
| 23:31.19 | Nechckn | Hmm... I find them to be about equal when it comes to actual game play |
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| 23:31.29 | Tuller | that's my determination, they're pretty much equal |
| 23:31.35 | Nechckn | that's including sound, environment, etc.. |
| 23:31.51 | Kirov | Because most people make the game work on the PS3, then get it working on the 360 |
| 23:31.52 | Tuller | I think the ps3 might edge out the 360 in longterm, but not in a significant amount |
| 23:32.07 | Nechckn | I agree, though, Kirov Sony has the PR team on Max setting for this one |
| 23:32.39 | bleeter | meh, it's gunna change again soonish, what with the availability of very big cheap-ish SDD coming in the next 18-24 months |
| 23:32.48 | Kirov | There's also a lot of things people do on the PS3 to try and hide the fact it's slower. |
| 23:32.51 | Nechckn | interesting bleeter.. dunno which is easier to hack.. |
| 23:33.07 | Nechckn | haven't seen anyone compare thier experiences with 'em |
| 23:33.09 | Kirov | Lower the resolution by a small amount (like GTA4), or run at half the framerate |
| 23:33.36 | bleeter | but are the game authors just doing that so it's easier to port and get out to market? |
| 23:33.45 | bleeter | fairly pointless discussion |
| 23:33.48 | Kirov | A lot of PS3 games run in 16 bit color too, or run the effects at lower quality. |
| 23:34.04 | Kirov | the PS3 is a peice of shit from a hardware stand point. |
| 23:34.22 | Kirov | </rant> |
| 23:34.27 | Tuller | hehe |
| 23:34.33 | bleeter | they're both pieces of shit 'coz they have moving parts |
| 23:34.52 | bleeter | game device for kiddies + moving parts = recipe for disaster |
| 23:35.03 | Tuller | the big thing is just a game selection, oddly |
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| 23:35.27 | Kirov | bleeter - well, the 360 is a peice of crap because the first 2 years of consoles are blow up after a few months use. |
| 23:35.29 | Tuller | just if I didn't have this nice nifty machine, 360 no contest |
| 23:35.53 | Kirov | We go through 360 dev kits like crazy |
| 23:36.21 | Kirov | Luckily a XBox 360 dev kit only costs about $2k, the PS3 kits go for 10 |
| 23:36.35 | Kirov | </rant again> |
| 23:36.52 | Tuller | yeah I'd go 360 if I were a game developer at the moment |
| 23:37.55 | Tuller | speaking of which |
| 23:38.04 | Tuller | xna 3.0 needs to work on my 64 bit zune software |
| 23:38.10 | Tuller | even if I'm the only person using that combo |
| 23:38.23 | Kirov | From the consumer stand point, there have been more games coming out on the PS3 that I have been excited about than the XBox 360. There are also more games on the PS3 that I have been woefully disapointed in vs. the XBox 360 |
| 23:38.45 | Kirov | I have a Wii, and haven't yet seen a game to sway me from the PC + Wii combo |
| 23:38.56 | bleeter | and you all know it's true |
| 23:38.57 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:39.10 | Tuller | looking for slouken? :P |
| 23:39.18 | Kyahx | The Wii is the most disapoiting in the software standpoint IMO. They have a few A-class titles and the rest is crap :/ |
| 23:39.20 | bleeter | nah, project's underway |
| 23:39.36 | Kirov | Working on the DS was fun. |
| 23:39.42 | bleeter | i'm quite happy that it's progressing, slouken hasn't had time to work on it |
| 23:39.45 | Kirov | Wouldn't mind more of that. |
| 23:39.47 | Tekkub | there's really only two things I'd buy a Wii for |
| 23:39.50 | Tekkub | so, I've not |
| 23:40.08 | Dashkal | Kyahx: I find that for all platforms, PC included. But the good titles on the wii are very good, and they make pretty damn good use of the hardware they have avail |
| 23:40.14 | Tuller | I think I've reached the legal limit on games with the word "mario" in them |
| 23:40.33 | Kirov | I got my Wii as a present at a time when every XBox 360 game I wanted I'd already bought for myself on the PC. |
| 23:40.44 | Kirov | That really hasn't changed much since then. |
| 23:41.07 | Tuller | smash bros made me sad :P |
| 23:41.12 | Kyahx | Eh, I just wish the Wii had more to offer. It feels like their target audiance is either small small children, or middle aged people. |
| 23:41.15 | Tekkub | Mario Car,t bowling... but I've heard that ballte mode on MC is all gimped, so I'm not exactly interested |
| 23:41.31 | Kyahx | My biggest gripe is the lack of a worthwhile online anything. |
| 23:41.33 | Tekkub | and I can't type |
| 23:41.49 | Kyahx | There is no social feel to anything they've implemented IMO. Your just playing faceless competition |
| 23:42.00 | Dashkal | I clock plenty of online hours on Super Smash and NK Wii |
| 23:42.16 | Dashkal | And yes, battle mode on the Wii is absolutely horrible |
| 23:42.28 | Tekkub | if I wanted online gaming I'd play WoW... |
| 23:42.37 | Tuller | sameish |
| 23:42.43 | Kirov | Microsoft did online stuff better than anyone. |
| 23:42.45 | Tuller | consoles to me are more about playing with people in the same room |
| 23:42.47 | Tuller | and yeah, they did |
| 23:42.56 | Tekkub | battle mode's the only reason to play MC... it's been the same since I played the SNES version |
| 23:43.01 | Tekkub | why change it? |
| 23:43.02 | Kirov | Sony seems like they're just now going, "hey, we should do something like that", but they still don't get it. |
| 23:43.18 | Tuller | I think home is going to blow up so badly, it will be incredible |
| 23:43.21 | Kirov | Nintendo seems to look at it and go "seems like it could cause a lawsuit." |
| 23:43.31 | Tuller | whee friend codes :) |
| 23:43.33 | Dashkal | The snes version was the only version I played that had a good battle mode |
| 23:43.40 | Kyahx | ick, friends codes :( |
| 23:43.59 | Tekkub | Nintendo seems to be in that "old people are afraid of the internet and parents want to keep their kids away from pedofiles" mode |
| 23:44.10 | Kirov | Tekkub - yep |
| 23:44.10 | Kyahx | Thats what I hate :P |
| 23:44.28 | Kirov | Nintendo IS about fightly faceless foes. |
| 23:44.30 | Kyahx | The people who played Mario for NES aren't scared of the internet, their original audiance has grown up and nintendo hasn't grown with them. |
| 23:44.33 | Dashkal | This follows. Parent's _are_ terrified of the internet. |
| 23:44.35 | Kirov | No voice, no chat. |
| 23:44.56 | Tekkub | sadly, trading pokemon online with the DS, proves that parents really are like that |
| 23:44.57 | Dashkal | I don't think the wii hardware could handle online with voice chat :p |
| 23:45.11 | Tekkub | and the DS even does voice |
| 23:45.19 | Kirov | Dashkal - it could |
| 23:45.27 | DARKGuy | I'm actually more inclined to having a better comp. A comp can do everything that a 360 can - and more :P |
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| 23:45.37 | bleeter | haha nice.... http://www.wowbash.com/image-3646.html |
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| 23:45.44 | Dashkal | Kirov: I was just taking a pot shot at the hardware, I know it could. But they won't. Ever. Too paranoid about evil people online |
| 23:45.52 | Kirov | DARKGuy - which is why I have a Wii. |
| 23:45.58 | Dashkal | I mean look at the "chat" room MKW has for a lobby between friends. |
| 23:46.04 | DARKGuy | lol bleeter |
| 23:46.09 | Kyahx | I couldn't ever see a proper PC port of Rock Band :P hence my 360 will always be around |
| 23:46.14 | DARKGuy | Kirov, O_o a Wii is different than a PC |
| 23:46.50 | Kirov | DARKGuy - yes, and I don't have a 360 or a PS3 |
| 23:47.01 | Nechckn | bleeter that is too funny |
| 23:47.03 | DARKGuy | Kirov, I don't even have a PS2 :P |
| 23:47.19 | Nechckn | damn brits! taking over my trade channel now, eh? |
| 23:48.04 | bleeter | http://www.wowbash.com/image-3623.html is good, too |
| 23:48.17 | Nechckn | the devs for the wii have done amazing stuff when you look at the HW compared to anything else.. that's about all I know. =) |
| 23:48.19 | bleeter | nice to see some creativity, pity it's in public chans |
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| 23:49.07 | bleeter | what.. on ... hell.. .lol... (nsfw) http://www.wowbash.com/image-3621.html |
| 23:49.13 | bleeter | ok, I stop with wowbash for now |
| 23:49.37 | Nechckn | the "reports" would be worth getting cookie monster out for a bite |
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| 23:51.55 | Kaso | I wonder if people actually fall for shit like that |
| 23:52.15 | Kaso | i know they do, but i really hope they dont, my faith in humanity would be shattered |
| 23:52.20 | Nechckn | Here, allow me to give you my bank acct infor, Kaso, then we can find out! |
| 23:52.54 | Kaso | heh |
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| 23:54.28 | bleeter | ok, one more wowbash... this one for <3... http://www.wowbash.com/image-3509.html |
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| 23:56.00 | Nechckn | only good thing about that one is that it was in /party =) |
| 23:56.39 | Nechckn | Bring me this Lauren, I shall decide if she warrants such <3 |
| 23:57.37 | Kirov | if I didn't know what Wine was that could be taken very badly. |
| 23:57.41 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=p3lim@084202208125.customer.alfanett.no) |
