| 00:00.04 | GhostfromTexas | ok guys running into a problem could use some help with.. I am expanding on a mod that someone has aleady made, I am looking to add modifier keys to it's functionality.. it's a right click to cnacel auction mod.. and the addon works perfectly fine until you add in modifier key, shift and alt |
| 00:00.22 | GhostfromTexas | while holding them down it basically doesn't allow anything to happen on that frame |
| 00:00.34 | GhostfromTexas | i've added modifiers to a similar type add on the Auctionsframe |
| 00:00.37 | GhostfromTexas | err |
| 00:00.43 | GhostfromTexas | browseframe.. and they work just fine |
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| 00:11.39 | Adys_ | thats awesome |
| 00:11.41 | Adys_ | http://tinyurl.com/6zrmxr |
| 00:11.46 | Adys_ | A warlock nerf post in second pos |
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| 00:52.20 | Seerah | Happy Birthday, Toadkiller! |
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| 00:55.56 | Seerah | Okay... I'm a noob. How do I use git? I mean... how do I download oUF? |
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| 01:11.30 | durcyn | git clone git://ixo.no/oUF.git ? |
| 01:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, if you're going to use git, you're going to need a linux box |
| 01:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | As (to my knowledge) there are no windows versions available |
| 01:11.54 | durcyn | make that haste.ixo.no for the fqdn |
| 01:13.30 | Gnarfoz | msysgit was available, last time some was preaching git, iirc |
| 01:17.19 | kergoth | there's msysgit, and there's git for cygwin |
| 01:17.26 | kergoth | hardly linux only |
| 01:20.41 | MentalPower | allow me to clarify, no GUI for windows |
| 01:22.46 | durcyn | uh, who the frell needs a gui for scm >_< |
| 01:23.59 | MentalPower | its nice to have |
| 01:24.04 | MentalPower | ever used tortoisesvn? |
| 01:24.15 | MentalPower | or tortoisecvs for that matter |
| 01:26.41 | Seerah | eh, I found a direct link on p3lim's layout page to the zip file |
| 01:27.03 | Seerah | http://ixo.no/git/oUF.git/snapshot/oUF-master.zip |
| 01:27.29 | Seerah | doesn't get me anything else that's on haste's or anyone else's git repo, though :P |
| 01:28.17 | Gnarfoz | tortoise is just for Explorer users anyway :< |
| 01:29.30 | MentalPower | Gnarfoz: uh huh, yer point? |
| 01:30.06 | Gnarfoz | Explorer sucks? ^^ my point being: if you're not using Explorer, Tortoise* is of no use to you ;) |
| 01:30.17 | Gnarfoz | (thank god for SmartSVN^^) |
| 01:31.14 | MentalPower | what would you use other than explorer in windows? |
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| 01:32.30 | Gnarfoz | any other file manager |
| 01:32.53 | Gnarfoz | (Total Commander, SpeedCommander, hell even XTreeGold is better than Explorer xD) |
| 01:33.56 | Gnarfoz | I know, the majority does use Explorer (while I can't see how they cope, they do - but svn users are a minority of their own, anyway ^^) |
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| 01:38.54 | MentalPower | don't those all support shell extensions tho? |
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| 01:43.04 | JoshBorke | ugh, my fiancee wants me to change my last name :-/ |
| 01:44.05 | Gnarfoz | well, what's unusual about that :\ |
| 01:44.15 | Thunder_Child | JoshBorke, take it like a man |
| 01:44.45 | Gnarfoz | or make her change hers :p whatever you do though, don't end up with a double name thingy :( |
| 01:44.46 | Guillotine | wow, TC is back? |
| 01:44.48 | Guillotine | been a long time |
| 01:44.52 | Thunder_Child | Sex (insert < > symbol here) Last Name |
| 01:45.10 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, friday was a long time? |
| 01:45.22 | Guillotine | you were in here friday? |
| 01:45.29 | Thunder_Child | oh...here... |
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| 01:45.57 | Thunder_Child | uhh..my mirc says i have been here here 1wk 22hrs 36min |
| 01:46.10 | JoshBorke | she doesn't want to change her name either |
| 01:46.41 | Guillotine | TC: -> pm |
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| 02:05.02 | WobWork | So |
| 02:05.04 | WobWork | Opinion |
| 02:05.10 | WobWork | http://www.sumolounge.com/sumosac4ft.php |
| 02:05.24 | WobWork | should I buy it? |
| 02:05.26 | WobWork | I don't have much room in the apartment =\ |
| 02:05.28 | WobWork | and even at 4ft, that's frikkin big |
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| 02:06.17 | WobWork | but it's so cool |
| 02:06.26 | WobWork | I need to find a shop that sells it, so I can test drive it |
| 02:06.36 | WobWork | but from all reports, it's incredibly comfortable |
| 02:09.45 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: if the chick is included, I'd buy it for sure. :P |
| 02:10.01 | WobWork | "Do -youu- come with the car? *giggle*" |
| 02:14.07 | kergoth | ooh |
| 02:14.09 | kergoth | that does look comfy |
| 02:14.10 | AnduinLothar | my sis has one, they are comfortable, but you'll have to put the tv lower... |
| 02:14.11 | kergoth | i want one |
| 02:14.15 | kergoth | microsuede and all |
| 02:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a store in the mall downtown that sells those.. or something close enough |
| 02:15.34 | WobWork | AnduinLothar: My TV is only .... *mentally converts* a foot or so off the ground? |
| 02:15.44 | AnduinLothar | should be fine |
| 02:15.58 | WobWork | I'm going to rearrange my furniture a bit tonight |
| 02:16.01 | WobWork | see if it's feasible |
| 02:16.03 | AnduinLothar | tho i guess you're milage may varry. |
| 02:16.09 | WobWork | how 'wide' does it get? |
| 02:16.32 | AnduinLothar | cause if your angle's wide you might be more comfortable looking at a higher tv |
| 02:16.55 | AnduinLothar | and you're never gonna have a good headrest for extended veiwing |
| 02:17.33 | AnduinLothar | so think of it as a recliner that you can't sit upright |
| 02:18.07 | AnduinLothar | you CAN but it takes some shuffling and you might have to take out some of the stuffing to be able to sink far enough |
| 02:18.15 | WobWork | how is it for console gaming and the like? |
| 02:18.37 | AnduinLothar | mmm, she didn't have one so i dunno |
| 02:18.59 | AnduinLothar | i imagine it'd be ok cause you have plenty of arm support |
| 02:19.44 | AnduinLothar | prolly not so good for guitar hero |
| 02:20.22 | AnduinLothar | good love seat tho. |
| 02:20.29 | AnduinLothar | if you dont need cup holders |
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| 02:22.40 | WobWork | gah |
| 02:23.03 | WobWork | chatzilla turned to crashzilla |
| 02:23.03 | WobWork | did I miss anything? |
| 02:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on what the last thing you saw was, i guess :P |
| 02:28.05 | Shirik | WobWork: you missed this: |
| 02:28.07 | Shirik | (22:20:43) - Quit: WobWork (n=chatzill@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:28.07 | Shirik | (22:22:12) - Join: WobWork (n=chatzill@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:28.21 | WobWork | damn |
| 02:28.40 | WobWork | oh look, the WoW killer has left closed beta |
| 02:29.08 | NightHawkTheSane | what, warhammer? |
| 02:29.12 | WobWork | I predict big things for HKO =) |
| 02:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | .. oh, kay... |
| 02:29.31 | WobWork | http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/ |
| 02:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, yes, i gathered from the abbreviation. i just wish i hadn't. >< |
| 02:30.22 | WobWork | art3mis will have to write a WoW skin for it =P |
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| 02:36.17 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/332/inside_dd_4th_edition |
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| 02:44.23 | Kaso | Trying to work out why this project im working on is really laggy since ive imported a bunch of another guys code (without really looking it over). Turns out he's got about 10 threads all running dead loops >.< |
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| 02:51.46 | Kaso | throw in a whole bunch of milisecond pauses, oh god so much better |
| 03:10.07 | Shirik | lua> nan, qnan = 0/0, math.abs(0/0); print(nan > 0, qnan > 0); |
| 03:10.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: false, false |
| 03:11.17 | Shirik | lua> for 1/0, 1/0, 1/0 do end |
| 03:11.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '1' |
| 03:11.25 | Shirik | lua> for x= 1/0, 1/0, 1/0 do end print("Done") |
| 03:11.26 | lua_bot | Shirik: Done |
| 03:12.04 | Shirik | lua> for -1/0, 1/0, 1/0 do end |
| 03:12.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '-' |
| 03:12.09 | Shirik | lua> for x=-1/0, 1/0, 1/0 do end |
| 03:12.10 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 03:12.12 | Shirik | grrrrr |
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| 03:24.37 | MentalPower | >lua> nan, qnan = 0/0, math.abs(0/0); print(nan > 0, qnan > 0); print(nan == nan) print(qnan==qnan) |
| 03:24.43 | MentalPower | lua> nan, qnan = 0/0, math.abs(0/0); print(nan > 0, qnan > 0); print(nan == nan) print(qnan==qnan) |
| 03:24.43 | lua_bot | MentalPower: false, false, false, false |
| 03:24.46 | MentalPower | :) |
| 03:25.06 | Shirik | find this infinite loop for me oh wise MentalPower! |
| 03:25.42 | MentalPower | pastey yer code, oh humble servant... err... wise Shirik :P |
| 03:25.57 | Shirik | you already have it, but ok |
| 03:26.13 | MentalPower | where? |
| 03:26.29 | MentalPower | getmarketvalue? |
| 03:26.58 | Shirik | yes, but it's slightly modified so I'll pastey it anyway |
| 03:27.03 | MentalPower | k |
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| 03:47.40 | batrick | !lua ("%x"):format(("j"):byte()) |
| 03:47.40 | batbot | batrick: > 6a |
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| 04:03.24 | MentalPower | lua> local c,n = 0,1 while true do c,n = c+1, n/10 if n == 0 then break end end print(c) |
| 04:03.25 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 324 |
| 04:03.31 | MentalPower | !lua local c,n = 0,1 while true do c,n = c+1, n/10 if n == 0 then break end end print(c) |
| 04:03.31 | batbot | MentalPower: 324 |
| 04:03.40 | MentalPower | Shirik: ^^^^ :P |
| 04:03.47 | MentalPower | not that it means anything |
| 04:04.25 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 04:04.30 | Shirik | that's all it can handle? |
| 04:04.31 | MentalPower | somehow I thought it would take longer |
| 04:04.39 | Shirik | oh wait, no, 324 lol |
| 04:04.47 | Shirik | for some reason I thought it said 10 |
| 04:05.04 | Shirik | that seems pretty much accurate |
| 04:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo forum maint |
| 04:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Hopefully we get the wrath skin back though |
| 04:12.54 | MentalPower | Shirik: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88843 |
| 04:13.29 | MentalPower | I'm curious about the stuff at the end tho, where it gets to "9.9999999999995e-312" and such |
| 04:13.39 | MentalPower | it doesn't do that for the inf test |
| 04:13.45 | Shirik | that's denormalization :) |
| 04:15.00 | MentalPower | the inf test is also a shorter by 15 iterations |
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| 07:59.24 | digmouse | ~seen apoco |
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| 08:17.00 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1303/ |
| 08:18.35 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 08:18.36 | Kalroth | harsh |
| 08:22.42 | Tekkub | okey, I have to say, this is the least number of line I ever had to read to see how bad an addon is... |
| 08:22.52 | Tekkub | mobmap_poweroftwo = { |
| 08:22.53 | Tekkub | [0] = 1, |
| 08:22.53 | Tekkub | [1] = 2, |
| 08:22.53 | Tekkub | [2] = 4, |
| 08:22.53 | Tekkub | [3] = 8, |
| 08:23.04 | Tekkub | all the way to 52! |
| 08:23.21 | batrick | lol |
| 08:23.48 | batrick | someone should mention constant folding to him, poor guy |
| 08:26.43 | Tekkub | someone should mention how easy it is for a computer to calculate powers of 2 to him... |
| 08:27.07 | batrick | technically that's irrelevant |
| 08:27.19 | batrick | and Lua wouldn't be that smart about that anyway |
| 08:28.02 | Tekkub | I think you can safely say 2^52 is faster than a table lookup |
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| 08:28.29 | Tekkub | well, a global lookup and a table lookup, he's not using locals |
| 08:28.41 | batrick | I'm talking about constant folding |
| 08:29.26 | batrick | 2^4 is automatically changed to 16 by Lua |
| 08:30.08 | nevcairiel | if he realized, that 2^4 works, he probably wouldnt use a lookup table =P |
| 08:30.35 | batrick | perhaps he thinks he's doing the calculation over and overa gain and decided to memoize it? |
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| 08:31.02 | Tekkub | except that doing said calc is faster than a global and table lookup |
| 08:31.07 | Tekkub | over and over again... |
| 08:31.16 | batrick | not in Lua |
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| 08:31.32 | SunTiger | I don't get why he's doing it. |
| 08:31.38 | batrick | 2^52 would probably be more expensive in Lua than a table lookup |
| 08:31.49 | Tekkub | I hate you, now I have to profile this |
| 08:31.56 | batrick | assuming it's not a constant... e.g. local a = 2; return a^52 |
| 08:32.18 | batrick | have fun :P |
| 08:32.39 | Tekkub | it'll only take a moment, please hold |
| 08:32.48 | SunTiger | abuse lua bot for it. |
| 08:34.18 | nevcairiel | lua really isnt smart eh? |
| 08:34.29 | nevcairiel | local a=2; return a^52 could easily optimized |
| 08:34.32 | batrick | Lua can't make that check |
| 08:34.49 | batrick | that would require a t(2) (think that's the right terminology) parser for that |
| 08:34.56 | batrick | basically meaning, at least two passes through the code |
| 08:34.59 | batrick | Lua only does one |
| 08:35.28 | batrick | If you don't optimize C code that does something similar to that, then the compiled code would also do the same thing |
| 08:35.40 | nevcairiel | of course it would |
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| 08:35.48 | nevcairiel | but a C compiler generally optimises that =P |
| 08:35.57 | batrick | depends on the compilers |
| 08:36.05 | batrick | gcc won't optimize unless you tell it to :P |
| 08:36.19 | SunTiger | but it CAN |
| 08:36.27 | nevcairiel | if you have a function doing something like "int calc() { int i = 2; return i * 10; }" .. it might even inline the result as 20 |
| 08:36.41 | Tekkub | took 10,000,000 iters... but... |
| 08:36.54 | Tekkub | calc = 2.656 lookup = 3.313 |
| 08:37.00 | SunTiger | calc wins. |
| 08:37.02 | batrick | what did you use for calc |
| 08:37.06 | SunTiger | but quite a bit. |
| 08:37.09 | SunTiger | by* |
| 08:37.26 | Tekkub | http://tek.pastey.net/88850 |
| 08:37.27 | batrick | SunTiger: don't add to the conversation if you have nothing to add |
| 08:38.21 | Tekkub | just making the table a local knocks it down to equal speed... |
| 08:38.31 | Tekkub | but then he's using a global |
| 08:38.41 | batrick | make the table an array |
| 08:38.44 | batrick | and see the difference |
| 08:38.57 | batrick | fill 1-53 with 0s |
| 08:39.11 | nevcairiel | isnt hash faster than array? |
| 08:39.17 | cladhaire | no |
| 08:39.22 | cladhaire | hash need to calculate the hash |
| 08:40.20 | Tekkub | we're back down to equal time |
| 08:41.00 | batrick | o well =) |
| 08:41.00 | nevcairiel | doing that in standalone lua |
| 08:41.01 | SunTiger | even so, it feels rather silly. |
| 08:41.03 | nevcairiel | with os.clock instead of GetTime |
| 08:41.12 | nevcairiel | the lookup is 50% faster |
| 08:41.18 | nevcairiel | (with array) |
| 08:42.00 | Tekkub | There's still much better ways he could be optomizing his shit |
| 08:42.08 | nevcairiel | but that was 4 seconds in 100 million iterations |
| 08:42.13 | Tekkub | most likely wherever he's using these powers of 2 |
| 08:42.17 | batrick | Tekkub: ya... by using constants! :P |
| 08:42.29 | Tekkub | lua doesn't have constants... |
| 08:42.36 | batrick | yes it does? |
| 08:42.38 | nevcairiel | 2^52 is a constant |
| 08:42.42 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 08:42.59 | nevcairiel | evaluated once at parsing time |
| 08:43.31 | Tekkub | and local x = 2^52 isn't a constant :P |
| 08:43.45 | nevcairiel | wherever he uses his lookup table |
| 08:43.54 | nevcairiel | he should just use 2^50 |
| 08:43.59 | nevcairiel | and not lookuptable[50] |
| 08:44.22 | nevcairiel | even if its only for readability |
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| 08:44.43 | batrick | I can't imagine a table lookup being more readable than "2^50" lol |
| 08:45.01 | nevcairiel | that was my point |
| 08:45.02 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 08:45.15 | batrick | o i got your last comment backwards |
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| 08:46.13 | Tekkub | oh oh oh it gets better! |
| 08:46.17 | Tekkub | in another file... |
| 08:46.24 | Tekkub | huffman_poweroftwo = { |
| 08:46.24 | Tekkub | [0] = 1, |
| 08:46.24 | Tekkub | [1] = 2, |
| 08:46.24 | Tekkub | [2] = 4, |
| 08:46.25 | Tekkub | ... |
| 08:46.34 | nevcairiel | a second time? |
| 08:46.34 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 08:46.39 | Tekkub | aparently that other global wasn't sufficient, he needed a second one |
| 08:46.46 | nevcairiel | wtf is he doing with that code? |
| 08:46.51 | SunTiger | now its definitly only bad code and not optimizing. |
| 08:46.59 | nevcairiel | MobMap doesnt sound like a complex addon |
| 08:47.01 | Tekkub | symbol=symbol%huffman_poweroftwo[8-(startpos%8)]; |
| 08:47.03 | SunTiger | or bad attampts at optimizing. |
| 08:48.28 | Tekkub | from what I can tell, he manually implemented bit shift |
| 08:49.02 | SunTiger | i don't knowthe operator symbol for it but i'll be damned if lua doesn't have one. |
| 08:49.49 | batrick | i guess ur damned then |
| 08:49.50 | nevcairiel | i think its in the bit library |
| 08:49.53 | Tekkub | bit.shift |
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| 08:50.16 | nevcairiel | batrick why does batbot lack the bit library anyway? |
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| 08:51.09 | nevcairiel | bit.lshift and .rshift, yeah |
| 08:55.38 | Quezacolt | Does the meeting stone not fire UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT for its "caster"? |
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| 08:58.15 | batrick | nevcairiel: I don't know. Never really cared to |
| 08:59.03 | Kalroth | Bits are important, batrick! |
| 08:59.16 | batrick | no u |
| 08:59.26 | Kalroth | Every little bit counts! |
| 08:59.48 | Kalroth | Many small bits makes large and potentially unsigned integers |
| 09:01.12 | cladhaire | reload> |
| 09:03.50 | Kalroth | matrix> |
| 09:03.58 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 09:23.08 | cladhaire | Hi WoWLuaIrcBotWrittenInLuaToProvideArenaFunctionsAndOtherLuaLookupsForChannelsOnIrcFreeNode.Net! |
| 09:23.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:25.05 | Kalroth | We need a lua bot shootout soon |
| 09:25.09 | haste | Firefox can't find the server at www.wowluaircbotwritteninluatoprovidearenafunctionsandotherlualookupsforchannelsonircfreenode.net. |
| 09:25.12 | haste | >:( |
| 09:25.14 | cladhaire | hah |
| 09:25.44 | nevcairiel | I should reg that, just for the fun of it =P |
| 09:25.51 | Kalroth | Is it ban reason if I get the bots to talk to each other?! |
| 09:26.01 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can |
| 09:26.25 | haste | both of them have a ignore system also |
| 09:26.25 | Kalroth | oh right, they prefix all replies with my nickname |
| 09:26.49 | nevcairiel | you used to be able to do it with purl and one of the lua bots |
| 09:26.55 | nevcairiel | but they both ignore purl now =P |
| 09:27.06 | Kalroth | aww |
| 09:27.14 | Kalroth | poor purl, she's so innocent |
| 09:27.30 | [dRaCo] | ~recursion |
| 09:27.31 | purl | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. |
| 09:27.45 | cladhaire | ---> Hi |
| 09:27.49 | cladhaire | ---> 4 |
| 09:27.55 | cladhaire | batbot: 4 |
| 09:27.58 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 09:27.58 | nevcairiel | --> Hi |
| 09:27.58 | batbot | nevcairiel: > nil |
| 09:28.00 | cladhaire | whats his damn trigger? |
| 09:28.08 | cladhaire | ah |
| 09:28.25 | Kalroth | --> print("Hi"); |
| 09:28.25 | batbot | Kalroth: Hi |
| 09:28.28 | lua_bot | --> print("zomg recursion") |
| 09:28.28 | batbot | lua_bot: zomg recursion |
| 09:28.28 | lua_bot | batbot: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'recursion' |
| 09:28.37 | Kalroth | sweet, someone talks to me |
| 09:29.18 | lua_bot | --> print("--> print(\"Victory\")") |
| 09:29.18 | batbot | lua_bot: --> print("Victory") |
| 09:29.18 | lua_bot | batbot: No output |
| 09:29.35 | cladhaire | heh |
| 09:29.36 | nevcairiel | heh no dice |
| 09:30.18 | batrick | i had a cool botwar function i made for purl but Cairenn deleted it :( |
| 09:30.36 | Cairenn | I didn't delete nuffin'! |
| 09:30.48 | batrick | liar liar pants on fire |
| 09:31.07 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:31.34 | Kalroth | Cairenn is such a lurker |
| 09:37.31 | zenzio | thought of the day: you can't spell emotion without emo |
| 09:38.09 | [dRaCo] | even better: you can't spell demon without emo |
| 09:38.11 | [dRaCo] | :P |
| 09:38.26 | zenzio | I know, I was the one who said that |
| 09:38.59 | [dRaCo] | yeah. sure. |
| 09:39.11 | zenzio | feel free to check the logs |
| 09:40.00 | [dRaCo] | because #WoWUIDev is the only place on the intertubes where people write stuff |
| 09:41.04 | zenzio | nope, and I'm sure people have said it before - but I said it in here very recently |
| 09:42.55 | batrick | night all |
| 09:56.21 | Kalroth | http://www.fishki.net/comment.php?id=36086 <- Blizzard offices, day 293; The local ret paladin just got insulted for the last time! |
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| 09:59.09 | zenzio | I'm horrible at playing different classes... I just rolled my third warrior |
| 09:59.33 | SunTiger | Kalroth, looks cool, but staged. |
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| 10:06.10 | haste | I wish I had a wireless monitor |
| 10:06.18 | zenzio | O_o |
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| 12:55.44 | Lunessa | ... station? |
| 12:56.29 | zenzio | if you say so |
| 12:59.20 | Shirik | station? |
| 13:02.26 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 13:02.42 | Lunessa | Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. |
| 13:04.23 | Elkano | two great movies :) |
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| 13:06.06 | Lunessa | Four score and seven years ago, Bill and Ted set forth a most excellent proposition... PARTY ON DUDES! |
| 13:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent! |
| 13:06.42 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 13:08.19 | Lunessa | Shirik: Go rent Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure and Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. You can thank me later. |
| 13:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | I promise, once you scoop your brains back up you'll notice you laughed them out of your eye sockets. |
| 13:09.16 | Lunessa | I am .. TED THEODORE LOGAN! |
| 13:09.44 | zenzio | Boldly said, but I remain unconvinced. |
| 13:09.50 | Lopeppeppy | Neopolitan. That's ice cream, right? |
| 13:10.58 | Lunessa | ... You can't cure stupid. http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=89d59491-3910-45c2-9643-3a2fd9347606 |
| 13:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | Darwin should have kicked her off the boat. I mean, really. |
| 13:12.31 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/02/funny-pictures-secret-club-handshake-we-haz-one/ |
| 13:12.43 | Lopeppeppy | Those two kitties are cute as heck. |
| 13:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is cuter, but hey. |
| 13:13.09 | zenzio | of course it is |
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| 13:22.54 | Lunessa | Maybe, just maybe, we should change the Stickies in the UI & Macros forum to "Cogwheel's Macros for Dummies" and "Start Here" |
| 13:23.09 | Shirik | why, do you think that will make people read it more? |
| 13:23.21 | Lunessa | Maybe. |
| 13:23.36 | Lunessa | People seem to feel comfortable reading something "For Dummies" |
| 13:24.03 | Shirik | cmon, obviously people posting on the forums are the ONLY ones with the issue, and nobody has ever even CONSIDERED their question before |
| 13:24.06 | Shirik | so they have to post it immediately |
| 13:24.31 | Lunessa | Of course. And I'm sleeping with Hale Berry. |
| 13:24.35 | zenzio | if you want people to read them, call them "free nude pics" and "instant gold" |
| 13:24.41 | Shirik | pics plz |
| 13:29.41 | Lunessa | Ahem... Iriel's birthday? |
| 13:33.21 | Shirik | ! |
| 13:33.41 | Shirik | he's not here though |
| 13:33.50 | Shirik | :( |
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| 14:05.47 | Shirik | Have I mentioned I love visual studio? |
| 14:05.55 | SunTiger | no recently |
| 14:05.59 | Shirik | This thing is way too intelligent >.> |
| 14:08.15 | zenzio | it's to make up for your lack |
| 14:08.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:08.41 | zenzio | don't worry, I'm no better |
| 14:09.16 | Shirik | Still, this isn't a warning I would expect it to be able to pick up: warning C4554: '&' : check operator precedence for possible error; |
| 14:09.33 | SunTiger | hmm |
| 14:09.45 | zenzio | it's what, the 8th generation of the IDE/compiler? By now they ought to have such features |
| 14:10.53 | Shirik | Though I'm curious who decided that == should come before & |
| 14:13.03 | SunTiger | same here |
| 14:13.28 | SunTiger | you would think comparison would have the highest priority in most situations. |
| 14:14.08 | Shirik | I would prefer bitwise arithmetic before comparisons tbh; there aren't many reasons to do bitwise arithmetic after a comparison because it's always either 1 or 0 |
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| 14:14.25 | Shirik | It came from this line (without the parentheses, of course): if ((data.dwFileAttributes & FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY) == 0) // make sure it's not a directory |
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| 14:14.57 | Shirik | but oh well, no sense complaining about it :) |
| 14:15.23 | Shirik | I just <3 that Visual Studio isn't just used by you, it is part of you |
| 14:17.38 | SunTiger | Shirik, that sounds awfully borg like. |
| 14:18.07 | Shirik | :P |
| 14:18.17 | Lunessa | We are Microsoft of Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be monopolized. |
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| 14:42.50 | Apoco | rwar |
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| 14:55.12 | Lunessa | ~seen kalten |
| 14:55.13 | purl | i haven't seen 'kalten', Lunessa |
| 14:55.40 | Lunessa | ... I hate it when my lack of facility with names lets me down. |
| 14:55.59 | dylanm | ~seen Kaelten |
| 14:56.00 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 57m 49s ago, saying: 'AssertionError: 'r0' != 'r0''. |
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| 15:05.15 | Lunessa | Thankee. |
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| 15:16.09 | Seerah | Lunessa |
| 15:16.16 | Lunessa | You rang? |
| 15:16.20 | Seerah | morning peppy and kaelten :) |
| 15:16.23 | Seerah | ^^^ |
| 15:16.27 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah! |
| 15:16.32 | Kaelten | heya :) |
| 15:17.32 | Lunessa | Kaelten: WoWAceUpdater issue thread - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6962846584&sid=1 - just FYI |
| 15:17.32 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Kaelten! |
| 15:18.12 | Duman | wtb blizzcon tix @ now |
| 15:18.22 | Kaelten | are they out yet |
| 15:18.24 | Kaelten | ? |
| 15:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, Kaelten: I think that users have indicated that the Updater isn't downloading all of the externals properly? |
| 15:18.31 | Duman | not that I've seen |
| 15:18.38 | Duman | just been a few weeks since the initial announcement is all |
| 15:18.46 | Lunessa | *shrug* I haven't updated all week, can't say. |
| 15:19.02 | Seerah | I'm sure they have it configured incorrectly |
| 15:19.13 | Lunessa | Nothing is broken on my current UI, no need to monkey with anything. |
| 15:19.24 | Seerah | I used the updater last night |
| 15:19.39 | Seerah | I'll post |
| 15:20.35 | Seerah | done! |
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| 15:21.09 | Seerah | morning Kolie |
| 15:21.11 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Seerah. I can't usually get in to post while I'm at work, it's a bummer. |
| 15:21.21 | Kolie | hi Seerah. |
| 15:21.27 | Kaelten | lol, what do you do peppy? |
| 15:22.21 | Seerah | I can't get on at work either, unless I shut myself in my room alone to scarf down some food or a student stands me up :( |
| 15:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | Kaelten, I'm a web designer at Skidmore College. I *could* visit the site, but my desk is out in the open where every boss who walks by (which includes the college president at times) can see my screen. Bummer. |
| 15:23.29 | Lunessa | So many of us working at or attending a university... |
| 15:23.34 | Valaron|Work | Like me. |
| 15:23.44 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: :( |
| 15:24.12 | Kolie | I get to play wow at work :) |
| 15:24.18 | cog|away | Me too :) |
| 15:24.31 | Lopeppeppy | I should be getting at least a cubicle wall setup after the remodeling over the next 2 weeks. Wish me luck, I need the lack of distractions! |
| 15:24.36 | Kolie | Infact, im running it right now to see if bartender works or not hehe. |
| 15:25.00 | cog|away | i've done some of my best addon work at work during the slow seasons ;) |
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| 15:27.12 | Lunessa | I should write some damned code... but I'm find a lack of enthusiasm for any projects. |
| 15:27.28 | Kaelten | Seerah: Kolie just tested, and it seems to be working, maybe there is a odd combination of options that produces it |
| 15:27.54 | Kolie | uninstalled bartender, restarted WAU, installed bartender, went in game typed /bar and it showed up. |
| 15:28.07 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: its tuesday ;) |
| 15:28.21 | Lopeppeppy | Kaelten: Nuh-uh, not if it feels like a Monday! :P |
| 15:28.32 | Kaelten | Somebody's got a case of the Mondays |
| 15:28.36 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
| 15:28.36 | Seerah | Kaelten, Kolie: yeah, I told them it was most likely their preferences and how they were using it, and to give more info |
| 15:28.50 | Lunessa | Kaelten: Yeah, I'm going to have to ask you to come in on Saturday. |
| 15:28.53 | Kaelten | ya saw, just wanted to toss some validation yer way as well |
| 15:29.05 | Kaelten | Lunessa: fuck you, I got a laptop and can work at home |
| 15:29.08 | Kaelten | :P |
| 15:29.12 | Seerah | except we said that yesterday..... Two Mondays in a row == Armageddon! |
| 15:29.22 | Kaelten | nnooooooooooo! |
| 15:29.35 | Lunessa | I don't like my job. I don't think I'm going to go anymore. |
| 15:29.49 | Kaelten | What about bills? |
| 15:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | Who cares! |
| 15:30.05 | cog|away | Lunessa: want some of my projects? ;) |
| 15:30.23 | Lunessa | cog|away: Do they involve anything that might actually be fun? |
| 15:30.44 | cog|away | only in the end result... |
| 15:30.47 | Lopeppeppy | Mine do, Lunessa! I'm going to be hanging artworks... |
| 15:31.05 | cog|away | Lopeppeppy: what kind of code do you need to write to hang artworks? |
| 15:31.07 | cog|away | ;) |
| 15:31.19 | Lunessa | Hrm... cog|away only if you're totally willing to re-wrok the hash I'll make of your code. |
| 15:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | I don't, that's why it's actually *FUN*, cog-dear. |
| 15:31.30 | cog|away | heh |
| 15:32.19 | Lunessa | I should get busy with my ultimate keybinding tool, but...meh. |
| 15:34.27 | Seerah | ultimate! |
| 15:36.14 | Lunessa | ultimate! |
| 15:36.49 | Lopeppeppy | Phenomenal cosmic power! |
| 15:37.08 | Lunessa | Itty bitty living space. |
| 15:41.09 | Lunessa | I have this plan, see, for a visual, drag & drop keybinding tool. |
| 15:42.51 | cog|away | plans are wonderful arent' they? |
| 15:42.53 | cog|away | ;) |
| 15:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a pretty good plan |
| 15:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got like 16 myself, but do you see me doing anything? Nope. |
| 15:43.08 | cog|away | Like I planned to have the keys to our house two weekends ago :( |
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| 15:43.32 | cog|away | (and still don't) |
| 15:43.38 | Lunessa | Do you get them soon? If I was local, I'd come help you move. |
| 15:43.47 | cog|away | Should be today |
| 15:44.08 | cog|away | if it isn't today i'll be extremely pissed 'cause everything was signed and overnighted last Friday |
| 15:50.59 | Valaron|Work | What are you getting? |
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| 15:54.15 | Duman | keys to his house, I assume? |
| 15:54.24 | Duman | (you're not being handed them in person?) |
| 15:55.08 | Lunessa | See, here in TX, they hand you the keys at the closing. Once the loan is funded, the keys (and the house) are YOUR property. |
| 15:57.08 | Vangual | what's the consensus on that Instant_Health addon? |
| 15:57.53 | Lunessa | ... probably more trouble than it's worth. |
| 15:58.14 | Lopeppeppy | Vangual: what Lunessa said. |
| 15:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | The combat log method might refresh faster, but the combat log itself has inherent limitations that make Instant_Health no better or worse than the UnitUpdate event polling (if I remembered the vent name wrong, sue me later) |
| 15:58.51 | Lunessa | Due to the author taking some shortcuts, it messes up other things, and the "gain" is minimal. |
| 15:59.13 | Vangual | hmm thought so. is UnitHealth a secure function? |
| 15:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | *Scooby Doo noise* I dunno, check the wiki list of secure functions. |
| 16:00.04 | Vangual | ah good idea, thanks :) |
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| 16:00.20 | Drundia | UnitHealth is secure function like all functions from WOW API, it is not protected however |
| 16:01.07 | Vangual | so you won't cause tainting issues in the default ui by overwriting it? |
| 16:01.59 | Lunessa | You don't overwrite. |
| 16:02.43 | Lunessa | Hooking is bad. Register for events. :P |
| 16:02.52 | Vangual | well instant_health does :( |
| 16:03.11 | Lunessa | hooksecure is ok. |
| 16:03.21 | Vangual | UnitHealth = IH_UnitHealth |
| 16:03.26 | Vangual | so ouch :) |
| 16:04.03 | Lopeppeppy | That might be what Lunessa meant when he was critiquing the code above. I know I've heard from several people that the addon is... suboptimal in functional coding. |
| 16:04.03 | Lunessa | Did I not mention that the author took short cuts? |
| 16:04.23 | Vangual | indeed |
| 16:04.53 | Drundia | hooksecurefunc doesn't let change return value |
| 16:04.56 | Valaron|Work | I got my keys from the Escrow office. |
| 16:05.18 | Valaron|Work | After handing them my down payment. |
| 16:05.49 | Nom- | lol mac lovers make me laugh |
| 16:06.00 | Nom- | "31% year-over-year growth (Higher than any other manufacturer)" |
| 16:06.18 | cog|away | the escrow office for our house is in southern california (it's a foreclosure so the seller got to choose the title company) |
| 16:06.33 | Drundia | combat log is pretty fast really on receiving damage events |
| 16:06.37 | Nom- | Yes. Well. 31% increase of 6% is a lot easier to get than a 31% increase on 97% |
| 16:06.41 | cog|away | so all of this has to be done by overnight UPS, mobile notary, and any number of other things that make it go extremely slowly |
| 16:06.41 | Nom- | 93% even |
| 16:06.44 | Lunessa | Nom-: This channel has several mac lovers in it. |
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| 16:07.05 | Lopeppeppy | It surely is, Drundia, but a poorly coded addon taking into account the limits of the combat log = less than optimal solution to something not broken. |
| 16:07.29 | Drundia | what are its limits really? |
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| 16:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | Distance is one. How it assigns damage/healing can be another. How you have your log filtered may or may not come into play. |
| 16:08.21 | Arrowmaster | no it uses unfiltered |
| 16:08.25 | Drundia | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED doesn't care about filters |
| 16:08.26 | Nom- | Lunessa: I know... I just find it funny when they use company financial growth targets to say that Macs are gaining popularity |
| 16:08.51 | Drundia | distance shouldn't come in play really |
| 16:08.56 | Lopeppeppy | Well, at least it does that much. However, as coded it interferes with many other common healer addons, and in general doesn't offer as much advantage as it *sounds* like it could/should. |
| 16:09.02 | Nom- | Lunessa: I'm actually considering getting a mac too... just waiting for the next generation of iMac in the hopes they actually put a decent video card in it |
| 16:09.02 | Lunessa | *shrug* Never discount Apple's power. Even before the iPod revolution they had over a billion in CASH. |
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| 16:09.12 | Lopeppeppy | Until it's better coded, it's not at all better than relying on the reliable Unit call. |
| 16:09.36 | Drundia | it is |
| 16:09.56 | Lunessa | Nom-: Yeah, I wish the iMacs had better video cards by default, but even my (now almost 2-yo) iMac does pretty well for WoW. |
| 16:09.58 | Arrowmaster | that addon also has bugs, such as any of the events that increase health without giving combatlog events, such as resing |
| 16:11.09 | Nom- | Lunessa: I'm looking for something that can run Mass Effect in reasonable resolution ... that's a tall order for the current gen of macs |
| 16:12.02 | Drundia | the bugs are for fixing, the idea is mostly great during combat |
| 16:12.08 | Nom- | My SLI setup with 2 x 7600 GT's even struggles, and it ranks pretty damn close in performance to the iMac 8800 GS card (which is underclocked to not bake the computer) |
| 16:12.25 | Lunessa | *nod* I don't play it, but I could see that. I use my Mac mostly for stuff where ultra video power isn't needed, but... newer macs are getting better and better GPUs. |
| 16:12.52 | cog|away | Nom-: two 7800s would've been a lot better |
| 16:12.56 | dylanm | A loaded Mac Pro is a hell of a machine. |
| 16:13.16 | cog|away | might even be able to find some still on the cheap |
| 16:13.44 | Nom- | The trouble is that Apple doesn't upgrade their hardware often enough |
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| 16:14.08 | dylanm | I haven't read all of this discussion but I'd like to add that Apple's immediate goal probably isn't total market domination. They're a very profitable company. |
| 16:14.15 | Nom- | I realise that's due to the insane quality control they have, but at the same time, I don't mind a crash here and there, as long as it runs Mac OS X and I can reboot into Windows and run recent games at good performance |
| 16:14.44 | Lunessa | Heh, you can even run VMWare fusion and never have to reboot. |
| 16:14.44 | Nom- | What they need to do is release a Mac Sub-Pro |
| 16:14.58 | cog|away | you can't put a 3rd party video card in? |
| 16:15.16 | Nom- | Core 2 Duo + DDR2 memory and a stock standard PCIx slot |
| 16:15.23 | Nom- | cog|away: Have you *seen* an iMac ? |
| 16:15.32 | Lunessa | Most iMacs are form-factor driven and don't allow for non-OEM hardware. |
| 16:15.46 | cog|away | Nom-: i was talking about your SLI rig :P |
| 16:16.02 | Nom- | Oh of course, but I don't want to upgrade the video card in this |
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| 16:16.15 | Lunessa | I'm seriously considering a new video card for my Vista Box. |
| 16:16.22 | Nom- | Mainly because I can't stand Vista |
| 16:16.23 | dylanm | If you need ultimate performance I don't know why you would get an iMac. |
| 16:17.00 | Nom- | I don't need ultimate performance... I'd just like a mid range video card which wasn't bottom of the range when it was released in the iMac in April |
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| 16:18.00 | Lunessa | ATI 1650x line... blech. Need more POWER. |
| 16:18.44 | Matrix110 | well you choose to buy overpriced non exchangeable hardware so dont whine :P |
| 16:19.47 | Nom- | Apparently the older iMacs can be upgraded to a 7600 |
| 16:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: needs less ATi. |
| 16:20.05 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Yes. needs more NVidia love. |
| 16:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Precisely. |
| 16:20.23 | Nom- | There's a mob here doing 4 year interest free |
| 16:20.28 | Lopeppeppy | My nvidia gives me no end of nightmares. *sigh* |
| 16:21.01 | Nom- | I'm so tempted by the Mac Pro, but how can I justify buying a computer that costs like over half the price of my 2007 model motorcycle ? |
| 16:21.08 | Lunessa | Strangely, the only problem I ever had with an Nividia product was my own fault. |
| 16:21.27 | Nom- | And it would be that much by the time I specced it up to something I deem suitable... except for the fact I don't need a bloody xeon :( |
| 16:21.28 | Lunessa | Sell me you bike ... cheap *jedi mind trick* |
| 16:21.42 | Lopeppeppy | WoW errors on my driver all the time, Lunessa. *sigh* |
| 16:21.52 | Shirik | It's because you're a gnome imo |
| 16:21.57 | Nom- | It's a $12,000 motorcycle... I specced up a Mac Pro to my minimum memory requirements... it was $5,500 |
| 16:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never had any problems with NV. This is in direct comparison to my 9700PRO which burned itself out, and my GF 4MX440 which I bought when I was 12 which still works flawlessly. |
| 16:22.21 | Lunessa | ... you were 12. |
| 16:22.23 | Shirik | on that note, I haven't had problems with an Nvidia chip for a while |
| 16:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Ssshhh. |
| 16:22.31 | Lunessa | When that card came out, I was 30. |
| 16:22.33 | Lunessa | fucker. |
| 16:22.37 | Shirik | ~hug Lunessa |
| 16:22.38 | purl | ACTION jumps into Lunessa's lap and huggles and *hugs* Lunessa |
| 16:22.44 | Shirik | oh the MX440! |
| 16:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (I'm 20 now) |
| 16:22.54 | Shirik | I was in middle school I think |
| 16:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | (*hides*) |
| 16:23.08 | Shirik | probably I was 13 or so |
| 16:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The MX440 was awesome |
| 16:23.13 | Shirik | if ScytheBlade1 is 20 |
| 16:23.16 | Lunessa | You guys make me feel old. |
| 16:23.20 | Nom- | oh yeah... the big limiting factor for me right now |
| 16:23.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: it's IRC, we're all ageless |
| 16:23.26 | cog|away | Lunessa: at least i was greater than half your age... |
| 16:23.27 | Nom- | no bluray |
| 16:23.33 | Nom- | my next computer will have blueray |
| 16:23.39 | Nom- | even if i have to kill someone to get it :P |
| 16:24.01 | Lunessa | cog|away: You don't make me feel old. I mean, I met your mother-in-law, and she treated me like I was 20. |
| 16:24.06 | Nom- | I hope the iMacs will be upgraded soon... blueray + video card upgrade |
| 16:24.12 | cog|away | ha |
| 16:25.59 | Lunessa | I turned 38 last month. It sort of does things to your mind when you realize that your parents had teen-age kids at your age. |
| 16:26.13 | cog|away | well, my step grandpa is younger than my father, my stepfather in law is about as old as my grandmother... |
| 16:26.40 | cog|away | Two of my wife's siblings were old enough to be her parents |
| 16:26.44 | Lopeppeppy | I have a cat, she turns 2 this month! |
| 16:26.50 | Lunessa | I just thought it was amusing to be carded when we ordered drinks. |
| 16:26.52 | cog|away | (which has actually led to some suspicion) |
| 16:27.04 | zenzelezz | peppy: SS or it didn't happen |
| 16:27.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: some people like their jobs. |
| 16:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank your legislators? ;) |
| 16:27.45 | cog|away | i had someone spit in my face for carding his girlfriend |
| 16:27.53 | cog|away | i think i could've done without that job |
| 16:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 16:28.03 | Lunessa | Yes, but I don't actually look that young. Cog on the other hand looks young. |
| 16:28.16 | cog|away | yeah... i have a hard time carding someone who's missing half their hair |
| 16:28.21 | cog|away | ;) |
| 16:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (Wasn't me who said it!) |
| 16:28.39 | Lunessa | Hah... Which is why I normally shave my mellon before going out. |
| 16:29.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I still have hair. My dad reminds me of this every chance he gets, because he largely doesn't. |
| 16:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | "Just you wait! One of these days, I'll be able to say the same thing to you! Ha!" |
| 16:30.33 | Lunessa | I started losing my hair at 19. So until I was 31 I grew it out long. After than, it was too thin to live the lie anymore. |
| 16:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, bald is sexy. *wink* |
| 16:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, you've seen my Kendra-cat before. http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/Kendra/ |
| 16:31.30 | Lunessa | Yes. I make it look good. |
| 16:31.43 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: oh, true. Cute :) |
| 16:32.04 | cog|away | Lopeppeppy: Patrick Stewart? |
| 16:32.13 | Lopeppeppy | Decently hot. |
| 16:32.55 | cog|away | Vin Diesel? |
| 16:34.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 16:34.24 | zenzelezz | Mr. 47? |
| 16:34.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, never met him. |
| 16:34.48 | zenzelezz | you never played the Hitman games? |
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| 16:35.17 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. The only shooter computer games I played were Castle Wolfenstein ones. Otherwise, it's console shooters only. |
| 16:35.40 | zenzelezz | my god, stupid keyboard |
| 16:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, Wolfenstein |
| 16:35.49 | zenzelezz | (excuses) |
| 16:36.02 | schnoggo | heh |
| 16:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I had the demo when I was 8 or something |
| 16:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And they say that violent video games makes kids into killers. Ha! |
| 16:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And now off to beat my siblings... |
| 16:36.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I just dated myself. So sue me, I'll cuddle with Lunessa in the Old Folk's Wolfenstein corner, kthx. |
| 16:36.52 | Shirik | I was going to ask what castle wolfenstein was |
| 16:36.56 | Shirik | but I decided not to >.> |
| 16:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 16:36.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ..................................... |
| 16:37.01 | schnoggo | whippersnappers! Castle Wolfenstein is meant to be played in HiRes glory on an Apple ][! |
| 16:37.04 | Valaron|Work | :P |
| 16:37.04 | Lunessa | ... Wolfenstein 3d FTW bitches! |
| 16:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I think I had the 3D demo |
| 16:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It was on a 468SX |
| 16:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah yes that was it |
| 16:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein_3D |
| 16:37.57 | schnoggo | Possibly the first game with a destructible environment |
| 16:37.59 | Lunessa | My Apple ][ GS (Woz edition!) ruled all! |
| 16:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe. Yeah, quite possibly |
| 16:39.57 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I adore you even if you're a weeeee bit uneducated in the ways of ancient software. :) |
| 16:40.34 | schnoggo | Best multimedia computer until Apple made the Mac IIfx. |
| 16:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wolf3d_episode6_level3.png |
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| 16:41.48 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Mac II fx. |
| 16:41.59 | Lunessa | Those were the days. |
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| 16:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait a minute |
| 16:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "Due to concerns from Nintendo of America, the Super NES version was modified to not include any swastikas or Nazi references; furthermore, blood was replaced with sweat" |
| 16:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ... so you shoot them, and they sweat. |
| 16:42.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... ?! |
| 16:42.39 | Valaron|Work | That's Nintendo for ya. |
| 16:42.40 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: "Wee bit uneducated" is a bit of an understatement |
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| 16:43.01 | Shirik | But I remember "Where in the world is carmen sandiego" |
| 16:43.03 | zenzelezz | well, didn't the German version of Carmageddon have robots instead of people? And the Germans don't allow nazi references in games either I think |
| 16:43.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. Had that too. |
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| 16:43.32 | Lopeppeppy | That's a start, Shirik. You can always visit the Classic Games rack and get a copy to see it for yourself. |
| 16:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: wikipedia article says that they didn't allow it to be sold at all |
| 16:43.51 | schnoggo | Wow. I hadn't thought about Silas Warner in forever... Anyone remember Nasir Gebelli? Of course Richard Garriott is still running around... |
| 16:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "Despite the fact that Nazis are portrayed as the enemy in Wolfenstein, the use of those symbols is a federal offense in Germany unless certain circumstances apply" |
| 16:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | In hindsight, I'm not sure how I feel about *myself* playing Wolfenstein 3D when I was 8, but whatever. |
| 16:47.16 | schnoggo | how could the wikipedia article on the original Wolfenstein miss the whole destructible environment thing? |
| 16:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the discussion page? |
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| 17:03.47 | Lunessa | .... hrm, video card upgrades are still going to run $200+ for me. :/ |
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| 17:16.19 | DARKGuy | haha, roflmao: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A |
| 17:16.27 | DARKGuy | oh and hai all :P |
| 17:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | Hai 2 U |
| 17:17.05 | DARKGuy | o hai |
| 17:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: give it a bit, and the 8800 series will come down. It'll be a very slow drop in price, but it'll happen. |
| 17:18.08 | Lopeppeppy | I just want one that works with WoW sometimes, ya know? |
| 17:18.18 | DARKGuy | I play with 7200 :P |
| 17:18.29 | Lunessa | The 8800 line is just about in my range now. I just think I shouldn't be spending $230 on a video card at the moment. |
| 17:18.33 | Lopeppeppy | I have a 7600, it's buggy as all hells. |
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| 17:18.43 | DARKGuy | no way oO |
| 17:18.46 | DARKGuy | why buggy |
| 17:19.01 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: the 8800 series is pretty solid |
| 17:19.41 | Lopeppeppy | DARKGuy, it errors out of WoW pretty consistently, blaming a faulty driver. Installed, reinstalled, hated.... *sigh* I just need to scrap it as defective and replace the bastich. |
| 17:19.48 | Lunessa | Yeah GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB is the one I was looking at, but the lowest I've seen it for is $229. And that's just a little more than the budget really should allow. Unless I want ot eat ramen for a month. |
| 17:20.14 | DARKGuy | Lopeppeppy: did you try normal and beta drivers? o,o |
| 17:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, DARKGuy. |
| 17:20.39 | DARKGuy | huh, sucks :( |
| 17:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 17:20.53 | Lunessa | *headdesk* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867106&sid=1 |
| 17:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be grabbing an 8800 once it drops... well, a lot more than $229 |
| 17:23.49 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. Wow @ thread |
| 17:24.13 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - like $180? |
| 17:24.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: hoping it'll drop to the $150 range |
| 17:25.06 | Kirov | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130317 - overclocked EVGA 8800 GTS for $180 |
| 17:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's close - really close |
| 17:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note: I'm not interested in company OC'd products) |
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| 17:26.21 | Kirov | Well, if you're not picky about which 8800 I'm sure you could find one for around $20 |
| 17:26.39 | Kirov | Of course, it'd be a PCI Radeon 8800 from 5 years ago... |
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| 17:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty picky, and I really have to wonder if the GTS will ever hit $150 before it sells out and is never in stock ever again |
| 17:27.34 | Kirov | GTS probably won't, no |
| 17:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, gunning for a $150 8800 for $150 is a great way to save money ;) |
| 17:28.23 | Kirov | By the time it's selling for $150 anywhere, there'll be a 10800 GT for $90 that's twice as fast. |
| 17:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ... entirely possible |
| 17:29.53 | Kirov | The next round of NVidia cards coming out are roughly 50-200% faster (depending on the application) than the current top of the line. |
| 17:30.13 | Lopeppeppy | When is "next round" though? |
| 17:30.24 | Kirov | 2-3 months for the high end |
| 17:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You mean their 9600 series? |
| 17:30.31 | Kirov | 6-9 months for the mid |
| 17:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, no |
| 17:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | (Insert "maybe I'll be able to play Crysis then!" joke here) |
| 17:31.00 | Kirov | 9900s |
| 17:32.10 | Lunessa | Kirov: That doesn't look too bad. I could almost swallow that cost. |
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| 17:37.22 | Kirov | Though, actually, why are you going for a GTS vs a GT? |
| 17:39.21 | Kirov | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143118 - here, the 8800 GT (which is FASTER than the GTS) for $165 |
| 17:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah. That's pretty close to something that I'd buy. |
| 17:40.28 | Kirov | The GT cards have less memory than the GTS, but are faster card, and also single slot |
| 17:40.35 | zenzelezz | ... I know I could smelt this copper to raise my mining skill... but when people pay 5G per stack I can't make myself do it |
| 17:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, $30 mail-in rebate |
| 17:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Fail |
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| 17:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ newegg review |
| 17:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Cons: Didn't come with pizza :( |
| 17:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That IS a con |
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| 17:42.18 | Kirov | hehe |
| 17:42.45 | Lunessa | Kirov - I was just starting my research, and the GTS appeared to benchmark better. |
| 17:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, let me know what you finally decide as a wish list. I'm just going to upgrade mine to whatever my system can bear, this grapic crash crap sucks. |
| 17:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Other Thoughts: Runs crysis on high settings. |
| 17:44.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lie. |
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| 17:45.30 | Lunessa | I might go with something like Kirov linked there. If I can pick up one locally for a comparable price. |
| 17:46.14 | Kirov | Lunessa - It's a weird toss up. The 512 MB GTS is faster than the 640 MB version, but no one sells the 512 MB version anymore. |
| 17:46.55 | digmouse | 8800GT then |
| 17:47.02 | Lunessa | I'll cruise by Fry's Electronics when I take lunch and see what they have in-stock. Which is probably a /really/ bad idea... |
| 17:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | Leave your wallet at work, Lunessa. |
| 17:47.59 | Lunessa | It has my license in it. I have to carry it with me. Maybe I'll leave my cards though. |
| 17:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, do at least that, love. |
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| 17:53.11 | Kirov | Basically here's the deal with GTS vs GT. GTS has more memory, and more memory bandwidth. This means games with lots of textures but not much else will run better on a GTS than a GT. The GT is a lot more powerful (also cooler running / quieter / less power usage), but has slower memory. That means games with a lot of pixel shader stuff will run faster on a GT than a GTS. |
| 17:53.12 | Kirov | The differences are fairly minor though. Go back a year or two in games and the GTS will run them at 90fps instead of GT's 80fps, but the GT runs Crysis 2fps faster than the GTS for cheaper. |
| 17:54.05 | Kirov | (they both run Crysis at 20fps) |
| 17:54.32 | zenzelezz | it's all about S |
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| 17:55.06 | Lunessa | Mostly I'm planing to run WoW and AoC. |
| 17:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | WoW, LotRO, and maybe AoC. |
| 17:58.32 | zenzelezz | remember to get one with HDMI output so you can view your porn on your 47" |
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| 18:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | I have no 47" screen. :P |
| 18:00.24 | Lopeppeppy | But dual output is nice, yes. |
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| 18:00.55 | Lunessa | Actually my computer is also my TV and my DVD player. Windows Media Center FTW |
| 18:02.06 | Kirov | I wish my computer was also my TV |
| 18:02.12 | Kirov | I could watch stuff while raiding then |
| 18:02.34 | Kirov | I'd watch DVDs except my laptop's dvd drive is screwed |
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| 18:09.03 | Lunessa | Kirov: http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonder650/usb/index.html |
| 18:11.10 | Lunessa | That's what I'm using to watch TV on my PC. Only I'm controlling it via Windows Media Center since the native app is slow and prone to crashing. |
| 18:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | You're much more techhie than I am! *cry* |
| 18:14.24 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The cost of the box was cheaper than buying a TV. |
| 18:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* When I have a screen bigger than my tv, maybe I'll consider it! |
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| 18:21.02 | Tem | Lopeppeppy, you already do |
| 18:21.11 | Tem | in pixel height, anyway |
| 18:22.53 | Lunessa | Meh, I have no furniture and only my computers for company. I didn't want to spend $300+ on a TV that was about the same physical dimensions and lesser quality than my monitor. |
| 18:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | Don't tempt me, Lunessa, to toss a bunch of crap right out the door when I move. |
| 18:23.32 | Lunessa | DO IT. |
| 18:24.04 | Kirov | the next time my fiancee and I move is going to be hell |
| 18:24.15 | Kirov | We've got so much crap |
| 18:24.55 | Kirov | Already got rid of one couch and a chair. This next move we'll probably get rid of the remaining couch and maybe the bed. |
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| 18:25.47 | Lunessa | ... if you were local I'd come take them off your hands. |
| 18:26.15 | zenzelezz | if she was local I'd come take her hands |
| 18:27.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'd give them to you, Lunessa. A set of dishes, a dresser, 2 book cases... |
| 18:28.07 | Lunessa | book cases... God I need them. |
| 18:28.17 | Lopeppeppy | I do too, Lunessa, but there's no room. |
| 18:28.25 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to loft my bed up to put boxes under it for storage. |
| 18:28.31 | Lunessa | Right now, everything is still in boxes. |
| 18:33.17 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'm going to build a shrine of my book boxes. |
| 18:35.30 | Lunessa | Heh |
| 18:38.33 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy are you on Garona, by chance? |
| 18:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | Nechckn, nope. I don't think I even have a baby character on there. |
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| 18:41.03 | Nechckn | Hrmmm... someone has a name that is almost exactly like Lopeppeppy |
| 18:41.41 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.54 | Nechckn | just curious.. no biggie ;-) |
| 18:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | Could be. I did *try* to reserve my name on all of the RP realms at least... but that's not my home town. |
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| 18:43.12 | Kaso | how do you even pronouce Lopeppeppy anyway? |
| 18:43.37 | Shaone | Is there a way to pass all arguments from a function into another function without knowing what they are or how many? |
| 18:43.55 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 18:44.09 | Lopeppeppy | Low-peh-PEP-y. |
| 18:44.11 | Shaone | I was trying that...must be doing it wrong. |
| 18:44.54 | Shaone | If I use ... and pass one argument, will it be set to arg1? or is there a different way to get the first argument value? |
| 18:44.54 | Kaso | perhaps show us how you are using it |
| 18:45.11 | Kaso | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.9 |
| 18:45.12 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_functions_in_a_safer_way#The_safe_way_to_do_it |
| 18:45.36 | Shaone | Thanks guys. |
| 18:45.59 | Kaso | Lopeppeppy, too many "p" sounds for my tongue |
| 18:47.20 | Shaone | Can I have ... alone or do I need to have at least one argument? |
| 18:47.45 | zenzelezz | pfft, tongue tricks is fun |
| 18:48.11 | Arrowmaster | Shaone: you can use it alone |
| 18:48.11 | Kaso | no you can have vararg alone if you wish |
| 18:48.11 | Shaone | Cool |
| 18:48.22 | Shaone | Thanks a bunch. :) |
| 18:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz.... *grin* |
| 18:50.49 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey. |
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| 18:53.19 | zenzelezz | I'm no monkey, I'm just another guy with a bunch of peculiar preferences |
| 18:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | It doesn't seem peculiar to like me. *preens* |
| 18:54.01 | zenzelezz | I don't think anyone thinks it's peculiar to like you |
| 18:58.13 | DARKGuy | I like Lopeppeppy :D |
| 18:58.16 | DARKGuy | is that peculiar? :D |
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| 19:03.07 | Lunessa | Most peculiar, Captain. It's life, Jim, but not as we know it. |
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| 19:44.15 | Esamynn | this is a sign of how far down the UI forums have gone: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6962876294&pageNo=1&sid=1#3 |
| 19:44.26 | Shirik | what's it say? (I can't read it atm :( ) |
| 19:44.52 | Esamynn | someone did a "first!" in Iriel's Happy Birthday thread, after slouken posted |
| 19:45.01 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 19:45.04 | Esamynn | yes |
| 19:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | People are broken |
| 19:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I debated replying to that and that alone but passed |
| 19:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | Way to ruin the message |
| 19:45.28 | Shirik | A person is smart, people are dumb panicky animals and you know it |
| 19:45.35 | Esamynn | Shirik: amen |
| 19:46.02 | zenzelezz | not every person is smart when solitary |
| 19:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I was somewhat tempted to link the 2.4/2.3 changes threads, "so why didn't you 'first' here? OH, BECAUSE THEY WERE DELETED" |
| 19:46.10 | Esamynn | this is true |
| 19:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" |
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| 19:46.40 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: but jsut about EVERYONE's brains deteriorate in a group, whatever brains they started with anyways |
| 19:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Chocolate... I like it sure, but meh. |
| 19:47.29 | zenzelezz | Esamynn: I didn't object to that; I just find it a gross misjustice to label all individuals as smart |
| 19:47.41 | Esamynn | point |
| 19:58.04 | Lunessa | ... mmmm chocolate. I haz a Snickers bar. |
| 19:58.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh. |
| 19:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | I had hershey's milk |
| 19:58.40 | Thunder_Child | Chocolate, The devils food |
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| 20:00.37 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 20:02.48 | Shirik | batrick: pong |
| 20:07.56 | Shirik | anyone done any programming for capturing from a webcam or similar on windows? |
| 20:08.59 | Lopeppeppy | ..... :) |
| 20:09.03 | zenzelezz | think you can do that through VFW, but I may be wrong; not familiar with the details of VFW |
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| 20:09.11 | ScytheBlade1 | cat /dev/v4l0 > stream.dump |
| 20:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That count? |
| 20:09.24 | zenzelezz | no |
| 20:09.29 | Shirik | considering windows does not have cat, no :P |
| 20:09.34 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 20:09.36 | zenzelezz | nor /dev |
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| 20:09.42 | Shirik | zenzelezz: That's exactly what I was looking for, the name of some API available. I'll look into it thanks :) |
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| 20:11.19 | Josh_Borke | blah |
| 20:11.22 | Josh_Borke | coludn't change my nick |
| 20:11.52 | zenzelezz | think someone mentioned it was because of +R |
| 20:11.58 | Shirik | it's because of +R yes |
| 20:11.59 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 20:13.14 | Shirik | zenzelezz: You at least pointed me in the right direction. VFW has been discontinued since Win95 from what I'm reading, the new API is DirectShow. But thanks, you got me where I need to be :) |
| 20:13.20 | Josh_Borke | viel gluck zum geburtstag iriel |
| 20:13.51 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: get some umlauts ffs :P |
| 20:13.58 | Shirik | actually it's now known as DirectX Media .... they need less name changes >.> |
| 20:14.15 | wereHamster | the latex type of umlauts: \"u |
| 20:15.02 | zenzelezz | didn't DirectDraw and Direct3D get merged into "DirectX Graphics" too? |
| 20:15.11 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: get some skillz ffs |
| 20:15.28 | Shirik | lol yes they did zenzelezz, I'm reading the whole history and it keeps going >.> |
| 20:15.47 | nevcairiel | when did they rename that? o.O |
| 20:15.48 | Shirik | eventually I'll arrive at the current name |
| 20:16.10 | zenzelezz | in the beginning it wasn't even DirectX, just some kit they bought off someone else |
| 20:17.18 | Shirik | ok, according to MSDN it's still known as DirectShow, but listed inside DirectX http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms786508(VS.85).aspx |
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| 20:25.26 | cladhaire | http://208.116.9.205/10/graphics/pics/12030/1.jpg |
| 20:25.27 | cladhaire | ^^ win |
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| 20:27.41 | Industrial | what is she wearing |
| 20:28.01 | Industrial | or what not :P |
| 20:28.19 | nevcairiel | that look of the kid is awesome =P |
| 20:28.51 | Josh_Borke | indeed it is |
| 20:32.42 | DARKGuy | Well damn that's a hot dress |
| 20:32.54 | DARKGuy | rofl @ kid |
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| 20:51.59 | Kirov | >>>t={1,2} var=(#t>var) or 1 |
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| 20:52.12 | Kirov | >>>t={1,2} var=#t > var or 1 |
| 20:52.23 | Kirov | >>>t={1,2} var=#t > (var or 1) |
| 20:52.24 | Cide | Kirov: nil |
| 20:52.25 | Shirik | var is nil hun |
| 20:52.28 | Shirik | there you go |
| 20:52.32 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:52.52 | Kirov | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:52.52 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Shirik |
| 20:53.12 | Shirik | psh, hoovers can't suck up anything |
| 20:53.28 | Kirov | So it'll be a long and painful suck! |
| 20:53.49 | Shirik | sounds like fun |
| 20:54.00 | Kirov | I've never been good with single line conditional variable setting |
| 20:55.41 | Thunder_Child | lol @ spam "Update your Penis" guess i need V2.0 |
| 20:55.52 | Kirov | basically trying to figure out if it's possible to condense this down |
| 20:55.53 | Kirov | t={1,2} |
| 20:55.53 | Kirov | var = var or 1 |
| 20:55.53 | Kirov | if var > #t then var = 1 end |
| 20:55.53 | Kirov | -- do something using var |
| 20:55.53 | Kirov | var = var + 1 |
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| 20:56.50 | Kirov | well, all the var parts |
| 20:57.09 | Shirik | do you have a reason to condense it? :) |
| 20:57.29 | nevcairiel | var = var and (var <= #t and var) or 1 |
| 20:57.31 | nevcairiel | or something like that |
| 20:57.35 | nevcairiel | but just keep it like that =P |
| 20:57.38 | Shirik | var = (var and var > #t) or1 |
| 20:57.39 | Shirik | btw |
| 20:57.45 | Shirik | oops |
| 20:57.47 | Shirik | yeah what nevcairiel said |
| 20:58.09 | Shirik | nevcairiel: do you enjoy doing "var and var"? :P |
| 20:58.15 | Kirov | ah, the var gets the first variable from the conditional statement? |
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| 20:58.33 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i just typed it up |
| 20:58.38 | Kirov | >>> var = true and 1 |
| 20:58.38 | nevcairiel | i hate using it for ternary |
| 20:58.39 | Shirik | var = (var and var <= #t) or 1 |
| 20:58.39 | Cide | Kirov: nil |
| 20:58.41 | nevcairiel | its so wrong |
| 20:58.59 | Kirov | >>> var = true and 1 print( var ) |
| 20:58.59 | Cide | Kirov: 1 |
| 20:59.08 | Shirik | if var is true, var will become var (nothing change) if var <= #t, otherwise it will be 1 |
| 20:59.09 | Kirov | >>> var = 1 and true print( var ) |
| 20:59.10 | Cide | Kirov: true |
| 20:59.12 | Shirik | if var is false, it will be 1 |
| 20:59.13 | Kirov | hmm |
| 20:59.28 | nevcairiel | Shirik: yours doesnt work, i think |
| 20:59.44 | Kirov | >>> var = var and (var <= #{1,2}) or 1 print(var) |
| 20:59.44 | Cide | Kirov: 1 |
| 20:59.47 | Shirik | it's the same as yours |
| 20:59.56 | nevcairiel | lua> local var = 3; var = (var and var <= 2) or 1; print(var) |
| 20:59.57 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 20:59.59 | Kirov | >>> var = 2 var = var and (var <= #{1,2}) or 1 print(var) |
| 20:59.59 | Cide | Kirov: true |
| 21:00.02 | nevcairiel | lua> local var = 1; var = (var and var <= 2) or 1; print(var) |
| 21:00.02 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: true |
| 21:00.09 | nevcairiel | now its true |
| 21:00.12 | nevcairiel | so doh? :P |
| 21:00.13 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 21:00.30 | Shirik | wow, you really do need the second "and var" |
| 21:00.32 | Shirik | >.> |
| 21:00.41 | Kirov | >>> var = 2 var = var and var <= #{1,2} and var or 1 print(var) |
| 21:00.42 | Cide | Kirov: 2 |
| 21:00.47 | Shirik | Kirov: Do yourself a favor |
| 21:00.49 | Kirov | >>> var = 1 var = var and var <= #{1,2} and var or 1 print(var) |
| 21:00.49 | Cide | Kirov: 1 |
| 21:00.53 | Shirik | going back to my original question |
| 21:00.57 | Kirov | >>> var = var and var <= #{1,2} and var or 1 print(var) |
| 21:00.57 | Shirik | "why do you want to do this?" |
| 21:00.57 | Cide | Kirov: 1 |
| 21:01.04 | Kirov | Shirik - I don't. |
| 21:01.07 | Shirik | if it works as the above, and is readable, imo it should be that way :) |
| 21:01.09 | nevcairiel | lua> local var = 1; var = ((var or 1) <= 2 and var) or 1; print(var) |
| 21:01.09 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 21:01.12 | nevcairiel | lua> local var = 2; var = ((var or 1) <= 2 and var) or 1; print(var) |
| 21:01.13 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 2 |
| 21:01.14 | Kirov | It's one of those "curious to know" things |
| 21:01.16 | nevcairiel | lua> local var = nil; var = ((var or 1) <= 2 and var) or 1; print(var) |
| 21:01.16 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 21:01.19 | nevcairiel | there! |
| 21:01.38 | Shirik | what if #t is 1 nevcairiel |
| 21:01.47 | Shirik | actually, what if it's 0 |
| 21:01.48 | Shirik | sorry |
| 21:02.01 | nevcairiel | make it "var or -math.huge" |
| 21:02.12 | Shirik | boo @ -math.huge |
| 21:02.14 | Shirik | -1/0 ! |
| 21:02.34 | Shirik | >>> -math.huge == -1/0 |
| 21:02.35 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 21:02.36 | Shirik | yey |
| 21:02.56 | nevcairiel | or 0 would probably be enough |
| 21:03.03 | nevcairiel | seeing that #t will always be >= 0 |
| 21:03.12 | Shirik | I intentionally divided by zero the other day in an addon |
| 21:03.14 | Shirik | it was awesome |
| 21:03.25 | Shirik | Lua's the only language I have managed to find a purpose for that for |
| 21:03.26 | nevcairiel | would be funnier if lua errors |
| 21:03.29 | nevcairiel | with division by zero |
| 21:03.39 | Kirov | >>> 1 / 0 |
| 21:03.39 | Cide | Kirov: 1.#INF |
| 21:03.48 | nevcairiel | i used 0/0 in a C app once |
| 21:03.54 | nevcairiel | to check if a number is NaN |
| 21:04.05 | Shirik | really? that shouldn't be equal |
| 21:04.05 | nevcairiel | because we were not allowed to use the headers that include the isnan function :D |
| 21:04.18 | nevcairiel | i figure that out afterwards |
| 21:04.25 | Shirik | the reason a compiler can't optimize out "x == x" for floating point is because it's not always true |
| 21:04.26 | nevcairiel | and just did "if a != a then" |
| 21:04.29 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:04.47 | Shirik | though visual studio has a dangerous option to allow you to optimize out "x == x", "x = x + 0" etc |
| 21:04.53 | Shirik | but it's disabled by default |
| 21:05.02 | nevcairiel | what does x = x+0 do? |
| 21:05.08 | nevcairiel | even with floating point |
| 21:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | == vs. = |
| 21:05.14 | Shirik | I need to look it up |
| 21:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | One is assigning, one is comparing |
| 21:05.26 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: i do realize that <.< |
| 21:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I can see that assumption (that it'd be comparison) breaking things |
| 21:06.00 | nevcairiel | never use == with floating point |
| 21:06.06 | nevcairiel | first thing you learn when your app breaks! :) |
| 21:06.14 | nevcairiel | but i dont get what x = x+0 does to x |
| 21:06.17 | Kirov | ~=? |
| 21:06.32 | nevcairiel | not that either Kirov :p |
| 21:06.41 | nevcairiel | calculate small deltas |
| 21:06.51 | Kirov | well, ~= in the "about equal" sense and not "!=" |
| 21:06.55 | nevcairiel | if (a-b) < 0.001 then -- equal end |
| 21:07.03 | Shirik | in /fp:strict -- Expression optimizations that are invalid for special values (NaN, +infinity, -infinity, +0, -0) will not be allowed. The optimizations x-x => 0, x*0 => 0, x-0 => x, x+0 => x, and 0-x => -x are all invalid for various reasons (see IEEE 754 and the C99 standard). |
| 21:07.20 | Shirik | it doesn't say why :/ |
| 21:07.22 | Cide | aye, Lua has ruined ~= in the "about equal" sense |
| 21:07.38 | nevcairiel | is "about equal" even a valid operator? =P |
| 21:07.45 | Kirov | I would of taken =/= |
| 21:07.52 | Cide | no |
| 21:07.53 | Cide | but I mean |
| 21:08.03 | Cide | "about equal" in the 'rounded off to' sense |
| 21:08.08 | Kirov | nevcairiel - some languages have it. |
| 21:08.18 | Cide | 5.92352783 ~= 5.92 |
| 21:08.28 | Shirik | oh nevcairiel |
| 21:08.35 | Shirik | I think it's because snan + 0 = qnan, not snan |
| 21:09.05 | nevcairiel | *shrug |
| 21:09.18 | Shirik | >>> return 0/0 + 0 |
| 21:09.19 | Cide | Shirik: -1.#IND |
| 21:09.22 | Cide | what if you overload x::operator+? :/ |
| 21:09.38 | Shirik | Cide: Then you get a function call and the compiler wouldn't even begin trying to optimize it :P |
| 21:09.46 | Cide | good :P |
| 21:09.58 | nevcairiel | that compiler comment is also talking about C99 |
| 21:09.59 | nevcairiel | not C++ |
| 21:10.01 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:10.07 | Cide | well, I meant in the general sense |
| 21:10.10 | Shirik | under /fp:fast (assuming no overload), x+0 becomes x, x==x becomes true, etc. |
| 21:10.21 | Cide | I didn't even know what language you guys were talking about |
| 21:10.24 | Shirik | nevcairiel: it's actually regarding the C++ compiler, just Microsoft seems not to care that there's a distinction |
| 21:10.41 | Shirik | the configuration tab that this is in is "C/C++" |
| 21:10.45 | nevcairiel | MS doesnt care about any standards |
| 21:10.52 | nevcairiel | not like they implemented C99 fully |
| 21:11.08 | nevcairiel | but yet they start adding C++0x stuff |
| 21:12.14 | Cide | probably, why not? |
| 21:12.29 | Kirov | windows is written entirely in Java |
| 21:12.30 | Shirik | nah, they use g++ and gdb |
| 21:13.04 | Shirik | nevcairiel: To be fair, some of the C99 stuff is stupid |
| 21:13.14 | Cide | I think they use ms word |
| 21:13.27 | Kirov | Nono, they use excel! |
| 21:13.31 | Cide | and then they bold the important parts |
| 21:13.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:13.45 | Cide | comments are made with strike-through |
| 21:13.52 | Shirik | hell there's stupid stuff in C++03 |
| 21:14.05 | Shirik | like exception specifications |
| 21:14.08 | Kirov | syntax highlighting, the manual way |
| 21:14.10 | Shirik | I don't blame Microsoft for not implementing that |
| 21:14.15 | Cide | Kirov: exactly |
| 21:14.17 | nevcairiel | there is stupid stuff in every standard |
| 21:14.21 | nevcairiel | its still a standard |
| 21:14.37 | nevcairiel | if i write C99 code in 2008, i would expect one of the leading windows compilers to accept it |
| 21:14.46 | Shirik | it probably will |
| 21:14.50 | nevcairiel | it doesnt |
| 21:14.57 | Shirik | name a significant difference :P |
| 21:15.22 | nevcairiel | let me find that article again |
| 21:15.48 | Shirik | most of the "missing functionality" is stuff like the program won't call unexpected() when throwing an exception not listed in an exception specification |
| 21:16.06 | Kirov | If there's an industry standard that everyone uses, Microsoft will find a way to make their own to supercede it. |
| 21:16.08 | Shirik | your program will probably still crash anyway |
| 21:16.48 | Cide | Kirov: that's part of the microsoft inhouse standard, so they're obliged to. |
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| 21:17.04 | nevcairiel | for example, MS doesnt believe in "long long" |
| 21:17.11 | Shirik | huh? |
| 21:17.21 | Cide | they prefer looooong |
| 21:17.29 | Cide | sorry, I should stop trolling |
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| 21:17.51 | Shirik | I've used it several times :/ |
| 21:18.48 | DARKGuy | Cide: why? MS deserves to be trolled :P |
| 21:19.03 | Cide | I'm trolling the channel, and not really |
| 21:19.03 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/s3f49ktz(VS.80).aspx |
| 21:19.06 | Shirik | long long is in there nevcairiel |
| 21:19.16 | Shirik | long long 8 none (but equivalent to __int64) |
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| 21:20.32 | Shirik | wtf is with that chart. __int64 says "alternate names: long long, signed long long" and long long says "alternate names: none" |
| 21:20.39 | nevcairiel | "We are supporting some C99 features that our customers explicitely asked for:" |
| 21:20.43 | nevcairiel | thats just a stupid attitude |
| 21:20.48 | nevcairiel | just implement that damn standard |
| 21:20.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:21.11 | nevcairiel | apparently long long was on that list |
| 21:21.15 | Shirik | their standard is better |
| 21:21.15 | nevcairiel | of stuff they did :P |
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| 21:22.40 | nevcairiel | They could've at least aliased the new math functions |
| 21:22.53 | nevcairiel | they even provide a web page telling YOU what to alias if you need them o.O |
| 21:24.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:24.30 | Shirik | anyway, I see in a list here with "RGB-24" "RGB-32" an option "UYVY" anyone know what that is? |
| 21:24.36 | Shirik | !g UYVY |
| 21:24.37 | batbot | Shirik: FOURCC.org - YUV pixel formats <http://www.fourcc.org/yuv.php> |
| 21:25.25 | Shirik | anyway nevcairiel |
| 21:25.41 | Shirik | people who code windows applications don't follow Microsoft's standards |
| 21:25.52 | Shirik | what makes you think Microsoft's going to follow industry standards |
| 21:26.10 | Cide | that's not really a good argument :P |
| 21:26.13 | Shirik | not that that's a good reason :P |
| 21:26.19 | nevcairiel | Its just my opinion that if you write a compiler that has a pretty big market share, you should at least have a compiler switch to run in full standard compliance mode |
| 21:26.36 | Shirik | there's a compiler switch to run in almost full standard compliance mode >.> |
| 21:26.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:26.48 | Cide | now with 99% standards compliance! |
| 21:27.03 | nevcairiel | how can you do that, if you dont even fully support the C99 standard ? =P |
| 21:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: s/compiler/internet browser/ |
| 21:27.11 | Cide | haha |
| 21:27.15 | Cide | oh, snap |
| 21:27.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:27.30 | nevcairiel | that too |
| 21:27.39 | Kirov | <3 firefox |
| 21:27.50 | Cide | BLOATED RAMHOG |
| 21:27.59 | Shirik | nevcairiel: honestly, as much as I agree I want something that is fully standards compliant |
| 21:28.16 | Shirik | I do have to agree with them on quite a few points. And usually they give you a warning when they're breaking standards compliance |
| 21:28.25 | Cide | lol |
| 21:28.34 | Kirov | Though even Opera, toted as the "most compliant" web browser doesn't fully support the HTML spec |
| 21:28.34 | nevcairiel | whats the shit with their "secure" functions? |
| 21:28.39 | nevcairiel | s_* stuff |
| 21:28.52 | foxlit | what's that compliance measured in, Kirov? |
| 21:28.54 | Cide | warning: foo.cpp:81: 'x' shouldn't work, but we're not following the standard here. |
| 21:28.56 | Shirik | case in point, C4290: http://www.fourcc.org/yuv.php |
| 21:29.04 | Shirik | er |
| 21:29.13 | Shirik | C4290 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/sa28fef8.aspx |
| 21:29.32 | Shirik | nevcairiel: That's just for buffer overrun protection. I don't use their secure versions, the basic ones still exist |
| 21:29.39 | Shirik | You can #define a macro to get rid of the warning |
| 21:29.45 | nevcairiel | yeah i always have to do that |
| 21:30.06 | nevcairiel | #define _CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS |
| 21:30.08 | nevcairiel | that =P |
| 21:30.10 | Shirik | yeah that |
| 21:30.21 | Shirik | if you really want to talk about breaking standards |
| 21:30.26 | Shirik | you should see some of my code |
| 21:30.35 | nevcairiel | please not |
| 21:30.37 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:30.43 | Shirik | like my new and improved strcat |
| 21:30.47 | nevcairiel | I compile my code on highest warning level with error on warning |
| 21:30.50 | Shirik | because I got sick of going back and forth |
| 21:30.52 | Shirik | inline wchar_t* strcat(wchar_t* dest, const wchar_t* source) { return wcscat(dest, source); }; |
| 21:30.59 | Shirik | Yeah I compile at /W4 as well :) |
| 21:31.27 | Shirik | and strcpy! |
| 21:31.29 | Shirik | inline wchar_t* strcpy(wchar_t* dest, const wchar_t* source) { return wcscpy(dest, source); }; |
| 21:31.30 | nevcairiel | on linux even as ANSI C, sadly i didnt find a switch for the MS compiler for that yet |
| 21:32.14 | nevcairiel | why dont you just macro those..? |
| 21:32.15 | Shirik | and best of all, #define new DEBUG_NEW |
| 21:32.27 | Cide | #define private public |
| 21:32.52 | Cide | you know you want to |
| 21:32.55 | Shirik | I could nevcairiel, I had a good reason against that though |
| 21:32.57 | Shirik | I forget what it was |
| 21:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty dirty, Cide |
| 21:33.17 | nevcairiel | Shirik: or rather, why dont you just call them directly? =P |
| 21:33.24 | nevcairiel | hacking in UTF8 afterwards? |
| 21:33.33 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: yes :P |
| 21:33.33 | Shirik | because I want the code to be able to compile both with wchar_t and char |
| 21:33.59 | Shirik | because I wasn't sure yet which one I was going to use |
| 21:34.19 | Shirik | oh nevcairiel, while we're at it |
| 21:34.24 | Shirik | check out my awesome if statement! |
| 21:34.33 | nevcairiel | i need to code more C |
| 21:34.38 | nevcairiel | stupid university has me on java right now |
| 21:35.22 | Kirov | Java is the language of the future! Everything will be running via Java! |
| 21:35.31 | nevcairiel | ~lart Kirov |
| 21:35.32 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Kirov!" and lops off Kirov's head |
| 21:35.34 | MentalPower | java is nice for learning |
| 21:35.40 | MentalPower | I will agree on that |
| 21:35.49 | nevcairiel | we "learned" with pascal |
| 21:35.52 | Valaron|Work | I never learned Java. |
| 21:35.53 | Kirov | Sadly though, it's kind of becoming true with all of the AJAX stuff out there |
| 21:35.55 | MentalPower | eww... |
| 21:35.58 | Wikwocket | Java is a nice language, has a pretty good set of libraries for basic tasks |
| 21:36.01 | Shirik | I did this mostly just to be evil nevcairiel http://wowi.pastey.net/88888 |
| 21:36.07 | nevcairiel | they use java to make us learn OOP |
| 21:36.18 | Drundia | some smart teachers skil pascal |
| 21:36.20 | Drundia | skip even |
| 21:36.25 | foxlit | Kirov: Sadly though, it's kind of becoming true with all of the AJAX stuff out there |
| 21:36.30 | foxlit | wrong J? |
| 21:36.34 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you linked that before, i think |
| 21:36.35 | Dashkal | I love java... I use it all the time.... Sun has lost their freaking mind... |
| 21:36.41 | Shirik | not the for loop :) |
| 21:36.41 | Cide | Shirik: uhh, ow |
| 21:36.49 | Shirik | I wrote the for loop today :P |
| 21:37.04 | Cide | you know |
| 21:37.07 | Lunessa | PASCAL... the devil's work. |
| 21:37.10 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that kind of code should go in a while loop o.O |
| 21:37.19 | Shirik | I know, I was just being stupid |
| 21:37.23 | Lunessa | At least you didn't have to do COBOL or FORTRAN or LISP |
| 21:37.28 | Cide | the comment clearly describes wtf you're doing :P |
| 21:38.17 | Dashkal | lisp is cool. It's a shame it's so hard to grasp |
| 21:38.19 | Drundia | FORTRAN |
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| 21:38.31 | Drundia | i had to deal with it a few times |
| 21:38.39 | Shirik | I would like to point out that this is not what my code usually looks like |
| 21:38.43 | Shirik | for the record |
| 21:38.53 | foxlit | We believe you. |
| 21:39.00 | nevcairiel | my last java code was fugly |
| 21:39.04 | nevcairiel | what i turned in last week |
| 21:39.06 | nevcairiel | but i was lazy |
| 21:39.09 | nevcairiel | and just wanted it to work |
| 21:39.11 | Thunder_Child | ~lie Shirik |
| 21:39.19 | Thunder_Child | damit purl |
| 21:39.20 | Lunessa | Shirik: At least you added comments. |
| 21:39.28 | Cide | // Awesome for statement |
| 21:39.29 | Cide | ayup |
| 21:39.30 | foxlit | / Look, a comment! |
| 21:39.57 | Kirov | foxlit - true, but java vs javascript is not a distinction most people make when spouting the "java is the language of the future" type comments. |
| 21:39.58 | Cide | Shirik: why 3 slashes btw? :P |
| 21:40.29 | Shirik | this is more typical: http://wowi.pastey.net/88889 |
| 21:40.39 | Lunessa | because you can never have too many slashes |
| 21:40.50 | Shirik | 3 slashes is a doxygen thing, but I abuse it from time to time for highlighting purposes |
| 21:40.55 | Shirik | because it gets highlighted in a different color |
| 21:41.03 | Dashkal | I code my javascript in java! GWT for the win |
| 21:41.06 | Cide | ah |
| 21:41.15 | Shirik | same thing as in that pastey ^ where I do /** instead of /* |
| 21:41.18 | Shirik | but that's REALLY for doxygen |
| 21:42.25 | Shirik | my CQueue is at least readable, right? :( |
| 21:42.39 | Shirik | no goto or five million side effects in if statements |
| 21:44.34 | Cide | looks fine to me |
| 21:44.41 | Wikwocket | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.52 | Cide | but I'm no c++ programmer by any means |
| 21:44.59 | nevcairiel | because /** is usually javadoc |
| 21:45.04 | Shirik | aye because it's a doxygen/javadoc comment (at least, it can be) |
| 21:45.04 | nevcairiel | or whatever *doc |
| 21:45.23 | Shirik | <3 Cide |
| 21:45.29 | Shirik | that warning was stupid though |
| 21:45.41 | Kirov | The first language I ever learned used nothing but GOTO statements for it's logic |
| 21:45.43 | Shirik | anyone looking at it can tell that retval cannot be used without being initialized |
| 21:46.06 | Shirik | Kirov: How about a language where the "if" block is only allowed to be one instruction? |
| 21:46.17 | Shirik | i.e., if (conditional) <instruction> |
| 21:46.28 | Shirik | I deal with that on a daily basis :) It's fun |
| 21:46.45 | foxlit | if (conditional) functionwithhandlercode(params) |
| 21:46.55 | Shirik | can't do that |
| 21:47.11 | nevcairiel | make that instruction a jump? |
| 21:47.11 | Shirik | one instruction, a call requires several instructions :) |
| 21:47.12 | Cide | that's what copy and paste is for. |
| 21:47.24 | ArrowmasterClass | if (conditional) GOTO 50 |
| 21:47.26 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Typically that's the way out of it, however I try to avoid doing that because it stalls the pipeline |
| 21:47.34 | Cide | if (conditional) instruction1; if (conditional) instruction2; if (conditional) instruction3; |
| 21:47.38 | Cide | go go |
| 21:47.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:47.43 | Lunessa | Kirov: BASIC for the lose? |
| 21:47.44 | nevcairiel | thats even worse |
| 21:47.45 | Shirik | what if instruction1 modifies conditional, Cide? |
| 21:47.55 | nevcairiel | cache it! |
| 21:47.56 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:47.58 | Cide | it doesn't |
| 21:48.05 | Shirik | what cache? I only have 1 working register! |
| 21:48.14 | Cide | buy another |
| 21:48.16 | Kirov | Lunessa - no, actually. proprietary |
| 21:48.19 | nevcairiel | no stack? |
| 21:48.23 | ArrowmasterClass | wtf are you coding in? |
| 21:48.25 | Shirik | no directly accessible stack |
| 21:48.27 | foxlit | "And in my world, we only had 0s in binary" |
| 21:48.37 | Shirik | the stack is only max 10 elements long, and only used for the CALL/RETURN instructions |
| 21:48.41 | Shirik | and interrupts |
| 21:48.43 | Shirik | you can't directly access the stack |
| 21:48.49 | Cide | he's coding for the microprocessor equivalent of BrainFuck |
| 21:48.53 | nevcairiel | and i though coding asm on the x86 was weird =P |
| 21:48.53 | Shirik | ArrowmasterClass: PIC |
| 21:49.09 | Lunessa | Kirov: I did a lot of programming in some proprietary languages that used "fall-through" - if I wanted GOTO and I had to build it myself. |
| 21:49.18 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Construction_Kit |
| 21:49.48 | Shirik | you have two conditionals: btfsc and btfss (bit test file register, skip next instruction if clear/set) and one working register (W) |
| 21:50.04 | Shirik | on top of that, only 1/4 of your on-die memory is accessible at a time. Attempting to access memory that is not currently accessible means you're accessing something you don't think you're accessing |
| 21:50.08 | Shirik | I love this MCU :D |
| 21:50.34 | ArrowmasterClass | this is why im not a programer and i dont want to be |
| 21:50.50 | ArrowmasterClass | i dont do low level stuff |
| 21:51.13 | Shirik | it's actually really fun. I spent an entire day just organizing what I need and figuring out what addresses all my variables are going to be |
| 21:51.25 | Shirik | because I don't want to have to keep switching between banks (bank switching takes 3 cycles) |
| 21:51.52 | Shirik | so if I have variables that will be frequently used by the RS-232 routine, then make sure it's in the same general area as the RS-232 transmit register, etc. |
| 21:53.00 | Cide | sounds like a PITA if you ask me :) |
| 21:53.13 | Shirik | I love it :) |
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| 21:53.34 | Shirik | btw Cide, your joke about if (conditional) instruction 1, if (conditional) instruction2 etc |
| 21:53.38 | Shirik | I've done that before :) |
| 21:53.49 | Cide | that's pretty sad |
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| 21:54.13 | nevcairiel | can you do if (not conditional) ? |
| 21:54.28 | Shirik | well there's only 2 "if"s |
| 21:54.31 | Shirik | and you can only test 1 bit |
| 21:54.44 | Shirik | btfsc or btfss (bit test file register, skip if clear/set) |
| 21:55.07 | Shirik | so naturally both if (conditional) and if (not conditional) both exist, but "conditional" has to be testing one bit |
| 21:55.23 | Shirik | usually it's something like, if you want to see if x == y |
| 21:55.30 | nevcairiel | I would just do it the way i do it in other asm, compare here, if false jump at the end of my instruction block |
| 21:55.55 | nevcairiel | if true, just let it continue inside the block |
| 21:56.00 | Shirik | movfw X; xorfw Y, W; btfsc STATUS, Z |
| 21:56.24 | Shirik | you can do that nevcairiel, just it stalls the pipeline so I try not to when I can |
| 21:56.45 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 21:56.49 | Shirik | if everything's done correctly, every instruction always takes 1 cycle. If not, they take longer (though sometimes you can't avoid that) |
| 21:56.59 | Shirik | and obviously that only applies to PIC |
| 21:57.02 | Shirik | every hardware is different |
| 21:57.05 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 21:57.11 | nevcairiel | i only know x86 asm :P |
| 21:57.46 | Shirik | the biggest problem I have with PIC is not having a stack |
| 21:58.05 | Shirik | fortunately, many of the devices have one tiny segment of memory (about 16 bytes usually) that's accessible from all 4 banks |
| 21:58.13 | Shirik | so I use that for interrupt routines, etc. |
| 21:59.28 | Shirik | anyway, I think it's time for me to head home |
| 21:59.42 | Shirik | byes |
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| 22:29.09 | Drundia | what would be best way to get rid of server name for player name obtained from combat log? should i use strsplit('-',name)? |
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| 22:31.29 | amro | damn you xchat |
| 22:31.36 | Cide | don't hate on the xchat |
| 22:32.11 | amro | I just don't know how to configure it yet |
| 22:32.19 | amro | so of course I blame the software instead of myself, as is customary |
| 22:32.20 | Cide | it needs configuration? |
| 22:32.31 | sacarasc | settings > preferences |
| 22:32.45 | sacarasc | or ctrl+s for network type stuff |
| 22:33.01 | Cide | I'm sure he can *find* the settings :P |
| 22:33.17 | sacarasc | after that it's all fairly self explanitory |
| 22:33.28 | zenzelezz | amro: what is it you want to configure? |
| 22:34.07 | amro | got it, just noticed the edit button on the serverlist |
| 22:34.11 | amro | thanks =) |
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| 22:35.39 | Shirik | o hai |
| 22:35.44 | Cide | OHAIDAR |
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| 22:48.22 | Cide | so I went through the user list for pretty much the first time |
| 22:48.31 | Cide | there are so many people in here that I've never seen say a word |
| 22:48.50 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 22:48.52 | Dashkal | Lurking is fun :) |
| 22:48.54 | Cide | maybe they're in here for all the dirty talk during night time |
| 22:49.26 | Thunder_Child | and some that you really dont want to hear say a word |
| 22:50.01 | dylanm | One of them is the spammarrrr. |
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| 23:22.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ... canned bacon?!? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/06/oh_my_god_6 |
| 23:23.50 | Lopeppeppy | Chocolate covered bacon. Vegetarian bacon |
| 23:23.51 | Thunder_Child | not to disimilar from the canned hamburgers |
| 23:25.28 | NightHawkTheSane | cheeseburger in a can? http://gizmodo.com/350091/cheeseburger-in-a-can-is-both-the-best-and-worst-thing-ive-ever-seen |
| 23:26.53 | Thunder_Child | giz did a taste test of it as well i think |
| 23:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | Tasteless test? |
| 23:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i bet the bacon isn't too bad |
| 23:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | *shudder* |
| 23:29.09 | Thunder_Child | now now Lopeppeppy, it could very well be quite tastey |
| 23:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | It could be cake too. Don't imagine it is.... Yik. |
| 23:29.30 | NightHawkTheSane | can't say until you've tried it, eh? ;) |
| 23:31.10 | Thunder_Child | wait...what? |
| 23:31.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i think she just said she's a dinosaur |
| 23:32.37 | Thunder_Child | impressive if true |
| 23:33.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i think watching her kill and eat live prey would be more impressive |
| 23:34.02 | Lopeppeppy | I has big teeths. |
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| 23:38.49 | bleeter | oh god a 'wowhead is full of pedophiles why did blizz endorse them' thread :/ |
| 23:38.57 | bleeter | mt |
| 23:39.01 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
| 23:39.56 | bleeter | yeah, meant to 'alert' #wowhead, just had the wrong chan selected here |
| 23:46.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: ping! |
| 23:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm brb in 10 tops |
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