| 00:03.22 | enum | hey, last question. how to do a 'reverse' bit.band? for example if I have 68168 and I want the hex for it |
| 00:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> print(tonumber("68168", 16) |
| 00:04.15 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 00:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> print(tonumber("68168", 16)) |
| 00:04.16 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 426344 |
| 00:04.24 | enum | ah, thanks |
| 00:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I don't think that is correct, lol |
| 00:04.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that isn't right |
| 00:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be 0x10A5A |
| 00:04.53 | enum | I didn't even look at the result lol |
| 00:05.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> print(tonumber("0x10A5A", 10)) |
| 00:05.31 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 68186 |
| 00:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That direction works |
| 00:06.07 | enum | result is wrong, should be 68168 |
| 00:06.25 | enum | which just means the hex could be wrong |
| 00:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I typed it in wrong then :) |
| 00:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Your numbers confuse me :) |
| 00:06.43 | enum | lol, sorry :) |
| 00:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> print(tonumber("0xF", 10)) |
| 00:06.48 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 15 |
| 00:06.53 | alestane | lua> ("%x"):format(68168) |
| 00:06.53 | lua_bot | alestane: 10a48 |
| 00:06.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Works as expected there |
| 00:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And alestane swoops in for the win |
| 00:07.18 | enum | nice, thanks again |
| 00:07.55 | alestane | lua> tonumber("0x10a48", 16) |
| 00:07.55 | lua_bot | alestane: 68168 |
| 00:10.16 | alestane | lua> ("%X"):format(68168) |
| 00:10.16 | lua_bot | alestane: 10A48 |
| 00:10.49 | alestane | lua> ("%p"):format(68168) |
| 00:10.49 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: invalid option '%p' to 'format' |
| 00:10.58 | Seerah | quote from the wowi forums today: "I believe Tekkub has a soft spot for small fuzzy critters..." |
| 00:11.18 | alestane | lua> ("%#x"):format(68168) |
| 00:11.18 | lua_bot | alestane: 0x10a48 |
| 00:11.46 | alestane | lua> ("%0#8x"):format(68168) |
| 00:11.46 | lua_bot | alestane: 0x010a48 |
| 00:11.52 | Tekkub | slow people? |
| 00:13.32 | alestane | lua> ("%0#10x"):format(68168) |
| 00:13.33 | lua_bot | alestane: 0x00010a48 |
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| 00:15.26 | Kolie | Anyone interested in beta testing the curse client? |
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| 00:18.00 | Kaso | Does anyone use xchat? |
| 00:18.13 | Shirik | you do |
| 00:18.44 | Shirik | ... krka wtf? |
| 00:18.52 | Shirik | [20:18:32] [krka VERSION reply]: WoW ingame lua irc 1.12.59 |
| 00:20.12 | Kaso | hah Shirik is being nosey |
| 00:20.36 | Kolie | Curse Client Beta Update out, if your new to testing it go to testclient.curse.com and download the 0.15.0.0 Setup. If not just rerun your beta client and it will update. |
| 00:20.40 | Kaso | Im trying to work out how to open a dialoge window for a person, like the "/q nick" command in mIRC |
| 00:21.08 | Shirik | no /query ? |
| 00:21.41 | Cairenn | hi Kolie, nice to meet you ... who are you? |
| 00:21.53 | Kolie | Im the author of the curse client. |
| 00:22.09 | Kaso | Shirik, im so dumb |
| 00:22.13 | Kolie | Kaelten said I could hang out here :) |
| 00:22.13 | Shirik | :) |
| 00:22.21 | Shirik | it worked? |
| 00:22.22 | Kolie | If I cant advertise it then let me know. |
| 00:22.31 | Kaso | that works, for some reason i assumed because /q didnt work it had no query function |
| 00:22.41 | Shirik | been there :) |
| 00:22.45 | Cairenn | no one said you can't, but introducing yourself rather than just arriving and spamming would have been considerate |
| 00:22.48 | Kaelten | Cairenn: Kolie is a developer with us |
| 00:22.55 | Kolie | Ahh I have been lurking here. |
| 00:22.55 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 00:22.58 | Kaelten | sorry I'll slap him for you |
| 00:23.03 | Kolie | Just never said anything. |
| 00:23.07 | Kaelten | ~lart Kolie |
| 00:23.07 | purl | whips Kolie with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 00:23.27 | Cairenn | wow, you're actually here Kaelten? |
| 00:23.34 | Shirik | unpossible! |
| 00:23.37 | Kaelten | kinda |
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| 00:23.39 | Cairenn | very! |
| 00:23.40 | Kaelten | I think I'm sick honestly |
| 00:23.48 | Kaelten | about to go back to the hotel and die |
| 00:23.48 | Cairenn | this isn't news |
| 00:23.53 | Kaelten | :P |
| 00:24.02 | Kaelten | not what I meant, but for you, no problem. |
| 00:24.07 | Nechckn | Dying is bad, mmmkay |
| 00:24.11 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:26.06 | Antiarc | Take care of yourself, duder. |
| 00:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | tmio-fb: null info->node |
| 00:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a descriptive error |
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| 00:34.11 | Shirik | <3 Lopeppeppy |
| 00:34.58 | Keias | You mustn't, she's anti-socks. |
| 00:35.06 | Shirik | I took off my socks though |
| 00:35.15 | Keias | WHAT?! How could you?! |
| 00:35.17 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Shirik. That's much more cuddlesome. |
| 00:35.23 | Keias | Socks are the most comfortable thing in the world :( |
| 00:35.27 | Shirik | she ordered me to :( |
| 00:35.51 | Lopeppeppy | Socks get in the way, Keias. |
| 00:36.22 | Keias | yes, of discomfort! |
| 00:36.48 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 00:37.01 | Keias | You never had those toe socks? |
| 00:37.07 | Keias | Clearly there must be some middle ground here. |
| 00:38.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a professional cuddler, and socks really are quite un-necessary. Little cotton foot prisons. |
| 00:38.34 | Keias | even with cold feet? |
| 00:39.22 | Lopeppeppy | Turn up the heat and feet don't get cold in the first place! |
| 00:39.40 | Keias | You just have loopholes for everything, don't you?! |
| 00:39.52 | Lopeppeppy | Hello, chick, of course I do. *rolls eyes* |
| 00:39.58 | Keias | touche |
| 00:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | Naruto is funny. |
| 00:43.09 | Shirik | no it is not |
| 00:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | How would you describe it then? This is kinda funny to me. |
| 00:43.59 | Tem | Naruto is funny when they bleep out the word "fight" |
| 00:44.11 | Tem | so that you interpret it as something else |
| 00:44.16 | Tem | and then the show is hillarious |
| 00:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | They're not bleeping it on the cartoon channel. It's the Land of Ice and Snow movie |
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| 00:44.51 | Shirik | "the cartoon channel" |
| 00:44.56 | Shirik | is that what you call cartoon network? |
| 00:45.28 | Shirik | I haven't watched cartoon network since they dropped code lyoko |
| 00:45.29 | Shirik | damn them |
| 00:45.47 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFIWDge_vEk |
| 00:45.58 | Shirik | no speakers :< |
| 00:46.07 | Tem | Shirik, you actually watched that show? |
| 00:46.08 | Tem | ew |
| 00:46.49 | Kaso | Tem, thats like; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXPnH0C9UA |
| 00:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I think it's the cartoon network |
| 00:47.09 | Tem | Kaso, :) |
| 00:47.43 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:47.47 | Shirik | code lyoko is awesome |
| 00:48.07 | Kaso | i **** the spiders on the wall! I **** the cob webs in the hall, when im alone i **** myself! |
| 00:48.28 | Shirik | oh god |
| 00:48.33 | Shirik | why do I know that video just from Kaso's quote |
| 00:48.39 | Kaso | Heh |
| 00:48.55 | Kaso | because it's a ubiquitous youtube video |
| 00:51.07 | Tem | Shirik, isn't that like a french anime? |
| 00:52.23 | Keias | Code Lyoko was weird |
| 00:52.24 | Tem | (oxymoron is oxymoronic) |
| 00:52.32 | Keias | Cause never pay much attention to it :( |
| 00:52.43 | Keias | But boy do I love some of their other shows |
| 00:52.48 | Keias | Like the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy :D |
| 00:52.54 | Tem | meh |
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| 01:10.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, I still think Naruto is funny. |
| 01:14.08 | deltron | naluto! |
| 01:14.46 | Lopeppeppy | A real ninja could get free no matter what! |
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| 01:16.37 | Tem | btw, have you seen the naruto intro for germany? |
| 01:16.39 | Tem | it's painful |
| 01:19.01 | deltron | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=d8xoTBZrzko |
| 01:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | nice kitsune though, I think that was |
| 01:23.40 | AnduinLothar | Public Portfolio Brainstorm, for those interested: http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?p=66959 |
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| 01:33.57 | Shirik | I'm thinking about putting together a new computer. Any recommendations on brand? I'd prefer it to be relatively easy to install Linux on. I'm thinking Dell. |
| 01:34.28 | Gnarfoz | I'm thinking 'build your own' |
| 01:34.47 | Kaso | i was going to say the same, the only reason to get a pre-built imo is for the warrenty |
| 01:34.50 | Shirik | for a desktop, sure, but for a laptop? |
| 01:34.58 | Shirik | where am I supposed to get a case? |
| 01:35.04 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 01:35.09 | Kaso | oh laptop |
| 01:35.16 | Gnarfoz | why didn't you say so? :p |
| 01:35.17 | Kaso | You shoulda said that ! |
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| 01:35.37 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:35.39 | Shirik | sorry I thought I did |
| 01:36.33 | Shirik | my desktop is fine |
| 01:36.33 | Shirik | I need to replace my laptop |
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| 01:36.34 | Kaso | Im not an expert on laptops, i know HP does some fairly good laptops, but thats about it |
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| 01:36.38 | Shirik | wtf is with dell's site |
| 01:36.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v cogwheel] by ChanServ |
| 01:36.38 | Shirik | "get free upgrade to pink" |
| 01:36.47 | Shirik | is color seriously an upgrade? >< |
| 01:36.47 | Guillotine | wow! for free!? |
| 01:36.47 | Guillotine | But how much to upgrade to purple? |
| 01:36.49 | Lopeppeppy | ZOMG, upgrade to fugly at no cost! |
| 01:37.14 | Shirik | oh it's not just pink |
| 01:37.17 | Shirik | "flamingo pink" |
| 01:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | Hot. Not. |
| 01:37.37 | Nechckn | Shirik the GM of my guild got some laptop from BestBuy of all places- but the cool thing is you can upgrade the video card - and- processor |
| 01:37.44 | Shirik | http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DYDWTN4&s=dhs |
| 01:38.04 | Nechckn | He actually got d/c ed as we were discussing it... so that's all I know |
| 01:38.09 | Shirik | core 2 duo is 64 bit compat right? |
| 01:38.11 | Nechckn | he said he got a really, really good deal |
| 01:38.17 | Nechckn | Yes, it is |
| 01:38.51 | MentalPower | not all of them |
| 01:38.57 | Shirik | bleh, I wish I could buy a computer without an OS |
| 01:39.00 | MentalPower | check with intel |
| 01:39.01 | Nechckn | the core duo are not |
| 01:39.26 | cogwheel | Shirik: parts |
| 01:39.28 | cogwheel | nub |
| 01:39.35 | MentalPower | laptop |
| 01:39.36 | Shirik | not putting together a laptop omg |
| 01:39.38 | Nechckn | really MP? I thought that was the whole point of them introducing the core 2 duo |
| 01:39.43 | Nechckn | whackey |
| 01:39.57 | Gnarfoz | err? |
| 01:39.58 | cogwheel | "nub" was directed at me... |
| 01:40.00 | cogwheel | yeah... |
| 01:40.05 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 01:40.06 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 01:40.10 | Shirik | IntelĀ® EM64T 1 |
| 01:40.15 | Shirik | that's 64 bit technology ya? |
| 01:40.18 | MentalPower | yup |
| 01:40.20 | Gnarfoz | all c2d's support Intel 64, I'd say |
| 01:40.28 | cogwheel | you'd be right :) |
| 01:40.45 | Shirik | mmmmm solid state drive is so tempting |
| 01:40.55 | Shirik | but add $700 to remove 300GB of space? |
| 01:41.13 | Gnarfoz | negative to that, houston |
| 01:41.29 | Shirik | hm,this isn't a bad laptop for $1849 |
| 01:41.42 | Shirik | it's better than my desktop excluding the video card |
| 01:42.51 | Shirik | .... why is dell measuring their battery life in Wh? It's supposed to be mAh/Ah |
| 01:43.23 | Nechckn | so it looks like they last longer? |
| 01:43.25 | Kaso | Wh? that seems just wrong to me |
| 01:44.01 | Kaso | Watt is already a energy per second unit |
| 01:44.22 | Shirik | watt-hours is actually what your power company uses to measure, but they have good reason :) |
| 01:44.22 | Kaso | so you're delivering x Joules a second, a second? |
| 01:44.31 | Shirik | well, actually kWh, but still |
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| 01:47.22 | MentalPower | Nechckn, Shirik: Just checked, the case I was remembering was a person with a Core 1 Duo, so yeah Core 2 Duos are all 64-bit capable |
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| 01:48.31 | Nechckn | Ah... yeah, I thought that was the case... some times they do odd stuff, though. =) |
| 01:48.50 | Corrodias | there. forgot to clean the cat box and my couch-blanket smells funny. it's in the wash and the couch is soaked with febreeze. :P |
| 01:49.30 | Lopeppeppy | Cats will not allow you to forget. They remind you. Vividly. :) |
| 01:50.18 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 01:50.48 | Corrodias | well, fortunately, the blanket is washable and i don't think the couch will have actually gotten anything on it |
| 01:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | Thank the gods for the washers. |
| 01:51.37 | Corrodias | i don't have fabric softener; i have dryer sheets that claim to serve that purpose. i wonder how many i should put in for a big, heavy blanket. |
| 01:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | Are you going to be drying it alone? |
| 01:51.55 | Corrodias | yes |
| 01:52.05 | Lopeppeppy | 4 sheets and 4 tennis balls, at the least. |
| 01:52.09 | Corrodias | tennis balls? |
| 01:52.29 | Lopeppeppy | So it doesn't bunch up, it keeps the blanket from clumping and dries it better. |
| 01:52.33 | Corrodias | (and an oppossom, just for flavor) |
| 01:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | If you have a possum to toss in, go ahead. |
| 01:52.57 | Corrodias | cool. i don't have any, though. nor anything ball-shaped that wouldn't be likely to break/melt |
| 01:53.27 | Lopeppeppy | Clean shoes? Sock balls? |
| 01:53.46 | Corrodias | i could roll up some socks if that's what you mean |
| 01:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | Otherwise, tossing something like that into the dryer on its own is just an exercise in frustration. |
| 01:54.42 | Corrodias | i have an empty vodka bottle...? |
| 01:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | What a pity. |
| 01:54.59 | Corrodias | chuckle |
| 01:55.31 | Corrodias | i can roll up some socks, no problem. i don't know how that'll keep it from bunching, but i'm not opposed to trying it. |
| 01:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | Just something else to bounce around in there. If the blanket is really heavy the sockballs might not help, but hey. |
| 01:59.10 | Corrodias | well, guess that'll have to do until tomorrow |
| 01:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | Cats. Make excellent slippers. |
| 02:00.00 | Corrodias | i hope febreeze actually works. i really don't know. |
| 02:00.23 | art3mis | http://www.nikkoamerica.com/nhe/dvd_projector_video.html |
| 02:02.05 | art3mis | http://play.typeracer.com/ |
| 02:02.34 | art3mis | sweet! |
| 02:02.38 | Lopeppeppy | Febreeze sometimes works for pet odor, sometimes not. If it doesn't, check the pet aisle for other cleaning agents. |
| 02:02.48 | art3mis | the live action Death Note is playing at the theatre by my office |
| 02:03.36 | art3mis | my old cat didnt like my gf much |
| 02:03.46 | art3mis | pooped on he fav blankie ;) |
| 02:03.48 | art3mis | her |
| 02:03.55 | Olison | lol art3mis that r2d2 link |
| 02:03.57 | art3mis | that was folder nicely at the end of the couch |
| 02:04.18 | Lopeppeppy | Male cat or female cat, art3mis? |
| 02:04.23 | art3mis | male |
| 02:04.34 | art3mis | i had him from 3months old |
| 02:04.52 | art3mis | he used to curl up on my chest as a kitten to hear my heart beat so he could sleep |
| 02:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | Males tend to have more issues with territory marking/spraying/behaviors than females do. |
| 02:05.06 | art3mis | and then when he got older he'd curl up with me like a teddy bear at bed time |
| 02:05.21 | art3mis | she was allergic so she started closing the door when she stayed over |
| 02:05.25 | Corrodias | there's just not much i can do to clean a couch |
| 02:05.28 | art3mis | he didnt like that much |
| 02:05.30 | Corrodias | especially some part that doesn't detach |
| 02:05.50 | art3mis | course he was fully verbal trained which was great and could open and close the kitchen window to let himself in and out |
| 02:06.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yes you can, Corrodias. Steam clean it. Sprinkle it with baking soda and activated charcoal. That's three things, easy. |
| 02:06.25 | Corrodias | I DO NOT KNOW THESE THINGS >_< |
| 02:06.34 | Corrodias | steam cleaning? like with some kind of machine? |
| 02:06.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 02:07.18 | Lopeppeppy | Little hand held steam cleaners. Where I'm from you can rent them from some hardware stores or large grocery chains. |
| 02:07.22 | Corrodias | alright, i definitely need to look into that this weekend, or early in the week |
| 02:07.27 | Lopeppeppy | Or just buy one, I bought one when I brought my cat home. |
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| 02:08.37 | art3mis | HI ZOOT! |
| 02:09.08 | art3mis | wasnt zoot the name of the first girl galahad meets? |
| 02:09.26 | art3mis | mean evil naughty zoot |
| 02:09.34 | art3mis | who lit the grail shaped beacon |
| 02:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | I did. |
| 02:10.24 | Gnarfoz | I read that as 'grail shaped bacon' |
| 02:10.26 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 02:10.47 | Corrodias | i too |
| 02:10.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:11.00 | Cairenn | you guys are sad :p |
| 02:11.08 | Gnarfoz | grail -> bacon |
| 02:11.10 | Gnarfoz | obviously |
| 02:11.19 | art3mis | mmm bacon |
| 02:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. This is not cool. Peppy >>> bacon. Hello! |
| 02:12.11 | art3mis | http://youtube.com/watch?v=WvxgM3lr-mg |
| 02:12.52 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/image.php?u=20806&dateline=1138351507 |
| 02:13.13 | art3mis | is that bacon or boobies carienn? |
| 02:13.26 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* |
| 02:13.35 | art3mis | yay bacon |
| 02:13.44 | art3mis | well elts be fair here peppy |
| 02:13.52 | art3mis | we're much more likely to eat bacon than eat you ;P |
| 02:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Dumb headed male creatures. Darwin was right. |
| 02:14.11 | Cairenn | oh ouch, that was just plain mean art3mis |
| 02:14.32 | art3mis | what |
| 02:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Frostbite, right here, kthx. |
| 02:14.41 | art3mis | peppy do you wanna be eaten? |
| 02:14.52 | art3mis | like the donner party |
| 02:14.53 | Lopeppeppy | No thank you, I already have one, it's very nice. |
| 02:15.25 | Cairenn | seems like he was the only one :p |
| 02:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | Fine. Gnomes stick together anyway. |
| 02:15.45 | Cairenn | 'cause art sure as shoot wasn't |
| 02:16.03 | art3mis | oh i was |
| 02:16.09 | art3mis | and i stand by my statement ;P |
| 02:16.11 | Lopeppeppy | This does not surprise me. |
| 02:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | Darwin stands by his, too. |
| 02:16.40 | art3mis | appearantly the ineundo however is completely lost on her, carienn ;P |
| 02:17.17 | Cairenn | http://www.livemanly.com/?p=840 |
| 02:17.23 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn heard what I heard. Your innuendo = fail. |
| 02:17.43 | art3mis | that would work so well |
| 02:18.12 | art3mis | no my inneundo is far to subtle for those with breasts |
| 02:18.28 | art3mis | why do you thikn poor zoot fainted ;P |
| 02:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | Darwin covers that. |
| 02:19.41 | Cairenn | ah, here we go, the full commercial: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ts4TtEwDc |
| 02:21.11 | art3mis | gogurt is awesome |
| 02:21.16 | Seerah | heh, funny, Cairenn :) |
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| 02:25.13 | art3mis | http://www.johnniemoore.com/blog/archives/hold-a-meeting.jpg |
| 02:26.55 | Shirik | Dell really has a lot of new options |
| 02:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | Don't get me started on being a project manager, art3mis, I don't have time to elaborate on how much this part of my job is gonna suck. |
| 02:27.31 | Shirik | "Select My Environmental Options: (a) Free recycling kit $0 (b) Support reforestation: Plant a tree for me $2 (c)Recycling kit and plant a tree for me $0 |
| 02:27.38 | Shirik | wtf does this have to do with my laptop |
| 02:27.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. |
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| 02:28.44 | Shirik | ! Zootfizzle came while I was gone |
| 02:28.51 | Shirik | and now I will leave again and he will disappear |
| 02:29.05 | art3mis | oh btw |
| 02:29.10 | art3mis | irnoman was awesome |
| 02:29.15 | art3mis | ironman |
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| 02:31.24 | art3mis | oh and appearantly they're building a skyscraper thats 3,219 kilometers high ;P |
| 02:31.47 | art3mis | <sic> |
| 02:32.31 | Zootfizzle | ~ironman |
| 02:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | Purl hasn't met Ironman yet. |
| 02:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe that's good, I haven't either! If she gave away the plot there would be no more botsnacks. |
| 02:33.17 | art3mis | go see it! |
| 02:33.17 | Corrodias | ironman dies |
| 02:33.19 | art3mis | it's great |
| 02:33.35 | art3mis | lots of good music too |
| 02:33.39 | Corrodias | snape kills ironman |
| 02:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | Corrodias, may your couch rot in hell. |
| 02:33.43 | Zootfizzle | Purl, Ironman is the best Marvel-based comic book movie since the original Spiderman, and will make you like Robert Downey Jr. If that makes you uncomfortable, you probably shouldn't see it. Otherwise, it's _AWESOME_ |
| 02:33.43 | purl | Zootfizzle: okay |
| 02:33.55 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 02:34.04 | art3mis | that about sums it up |
| 02:34.05 | Corrodias | i have no idea what happens in the movie; i'm just taking old memes and inserting ironman into them |
| 02:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | Well then.... I guess that counts as a movie recommendation. *smile* |
| 02:34.35 | art3mis | watched it tonight zoot? |
| 02:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | I just have to pony up and brave the theater parking lot at night. |
| 02:34.42 | Zootfizzle | I saw it yesterday, it was awesome =) |
| 02:34.52 | art3mis | peppy matinee! |
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| 02:35.01 | art3mis | so many awesome lines |
| 02:35.10 | art3mis | and actually i like robert downy jr |
| 02:35.20 | art3mis | he's become much better as he's gotten older |
| 02:35.24 | Lopeppeppy | It's not offered in a matinee, darlin'. Or I'd have gone in a heartbeat. The movie times are really weird on this one, I don't get it. |
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| 02:36.09 | art3mis | it is totally worth it though |
| 02:36.25 | Lopeppeppy | It's not the expense, it's the cowardice. :P |
| 02:36.32 | art3mis | thats what i mean |
| 02:36.39 | art3mis | you'll be quite happy you went ;P |
| 02:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | *shiver* Go be female for 30 years, then say that. |
| 02:36.53 | art3mis | Zootfizzle: the new hulk looks awesome too |
| 02:37.08 | Zootfizzle | Meh |
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| 02:37.15 | art3mis | he's got a villan! |
| 02:37.20 | Zootfizzle | It looks like a good setup movie to me |
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| 02:37.30 | art3mis | that insantly means that its gonna be better than the first horrible one ;P |
| 02:37.43 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno... that last Hulk movie blew chunks. I'm not sure I'm ready to be disappointed again. |
| 02:37.50 | art3mis | go watch the trailer |
| 02:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | I did. Once bitten. |
| 02:37.59 | art3mis | that puts it all into perspective |
| 02:38.07 | art3mis | its not hulk vs the us army |
| 02:38.27 | art3mis | and i cant wait for may 22nd to get here |
| 02:38.48 | art3mis | duh duhdundun dun daduh |
| 02:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. Countdowns. :P |
| 02:38.58 | Zootfizzle | I'm not gonna see the new Hulk in theatres unless my friends drag me to it |
| 02:39.01 | art3mis | duh duhdundun dun dadun dun dun |
| 02:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'd have to be dragged by the entire crowd as well. I'm just not feeling it. |
| 02:39.18 | art3mis | it's indiana jones! |
| 02:39.29 | Lopeppeppy | Indy... yeah, I'd go see that alone. |
| 02:39.39 | art3mis | thats may 22nd ;) |
| 02:40.11 | art3mis | new batman looks decent enough too |
| 02:40.26 | art3mis | i kinna like bale as batman |
| 02:40.46 | art3mis | particularly the frank miller version |
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| 03:04.40 | Shirik | gah, so used to vista |
| 03:04.42 | Shirik | I can't use xp anymore |
| 03:04.50 | Lopeppeppy | *comfort* |
| 03:05.02 | Lopeppeppy | I have yet to do much with Vista, but I see the vast differences. |
| 03:05.03 | Shirik | I can't do my little alt-tab-click thingy :( |
| 03:05.06 | Gnarfoz | phew... so used to xp, no reason to use vista :D |
| 03:05.19 | Lopeppeppy | Very frustrating to have students send me documents that I can't open. Grrrr. |
| 03:05.44 | Gnarfoz | .docx? |
| 03:05.45 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 03:06.03 | Shirik | we use pdfs at my school anyway |
| 03:06.57 | Lopeppeppy | They keep trying to send me word documents that are Vista and I can't open them. |
| 03:07.15 | Gnarfoz | ? how are there "Vista" word documents |
| 03:07.30 | Shirik | I think she means the 2007 ones |
| 03:07.42 | Gnarfoz | hence my suggestion of '.docx' |
| 03:07.43 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 03:08.02 | Gnarfoz | ah, my bad, windows per default hides file extensions. I forget... |
| 03:08.18 | Lopeppeppy | Meh, that's their problem. i reply and tell them to save it downward if they want me to review their content. |
| 03:08.20 | Shirik | First thing I turn off on any windows install |
| 03:08.31 | Shirik | That's what I do Lopeppeppy :) |
| 03:08.35 | Gnarfoz | anyway, there's MS's own converter to open them in office 2003, it's not like 2007's format has any relevant new features xD |
| 03:08.43 | sacarasc | first thing i turn off on any windows install is the machine, then i install something else |
| 03:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | It's a problem all over campus, with students having Vista laptops and the campus still on XP. Driving the administration crazy. |
| 03:08.48 | Shirik | I tell them they have 24 hours to follow the instructions indicated in the syllabus or they receive a zero on the assignment |
| 03:09.27 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure if I'm happy that MS "invented" a new piece of crap format for themselves, rather than bastardising ODF, or sad that there's still 2 formats :\ |
| 03:09.32 | Shirik | Everything is submitted by PDF except source code. Source code is submitted in UNIX ASCII. Failure to comply will result in offensive action. |
| 03:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 03:10.01 | Gnarfoz | don't hate on \r\n |
| 03:10.01 | sacarasc | pfft, you should just take plain text the whole way through |
| 03:10.22 | Lopeppeppy | This is just text for web pages, word is fine if I can open the bastich files. |
| 03:10.31 | Shirik | I'm not going to make students write state charts in ascii >< |
| 03:10.36 | Gnarfoz | still, not a Vista problem |
| 03:11.20 | sacarasc | Shirik: assignment one should be writing the tools to make all these things that output ascii ;p |
| 03:11.35 | Shirik | I'm not cruel >< These are entry-level students |
| 03:11.57 | Iriel | do the kids of today still know what ASCII stands for? |
| 03:12.03 | Shirik | they better |
| 03:12.11 | sacarasc | unbloody likely |
| 03:12.12 | Shirik | eh, actually, probably not |
| 03:12.14 | Shirik | they just know what it is |
| 03:12.19 | sacarasc | except the nerdy/geeky ones |
| 03:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | They know they can draw pictures with it. |
| 03:12.44 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:12.55 | Shirik | There's some scary stuff out there Iriel |
| 03:13.06 | Lopeppeppy | Very scary. |
| 03:13.11 | Shirik | I had one student whom submitted this crazy final project this semester and his code was a mess |
| 03:13.26 | Shirik | When I asked him about it, he said "The program I connect to doesn't output newlines so I had to do this crazy logic" |
| 03:13.39 | Shirik | He never thought to think that maybe it's because \r is not newline |
| 03:14.15 | Shirik | (Or never wondered why NOBODY ELSE had the same problem) |
| 03:14.30 | Iriel | that last phenomenon is far too common |
| 03:15.20 | Corrodias | what is he, a mactard? phht! |
| 03:16.31 | Shirik | be careful |
| 03:16.36 | Shirik | Iriel is here ;) |
| 03:16.43 | Corrodias | iriel is butt |
| 03:16.58 | Shirik | and clad|sleep will read this when he comes back too |
| 03:16.59 | Corrodias | fortunately, i like that! |
| 03:17.03 | Shirik | especially now that I pinged him |
| 03:17.06 | Iriel | we |
| 03:17.12 | Iriel | we're mac users, not mactards |
| 03:17.30 | Shirik | /g die |
| 03:17.32 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:17.38 | Shirik | the evils of dual screen >.> |
| 03:18.21 | Shirik | anyway <3 Iriel I've grown to respect mac users, despite the fact that I will probably never use one |
| 03:18.41 | Shirik | Especially after taking the beating because I use Vista |
| 03:19.05 | Lopeppeppy | I just got a hand me down imac at work to start figuring out. |
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| 03:21.59 | Corrodias | i kid, anyway |
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| 03:28.40 | AbsoRayne | Bleh...someone inspire me |
| 03:31.01 | AbsoRayne | Is it a happy sonnet, or one that tells a sad tale of forbidden love? |
| 03:31.43 | Lopeppeppy | Sad tale of forbidden love. I'm going the /emo route. Either it will inspire you to the heights of Shakespearean creativity, or you'll get a frantic burst of energy left over after you ~lart me to death. |
| 03:31.58 | AbsoRayne | Will I end up listening to linkin park in the end? |
| 03:32.11 | Lopeppeppy | Why not? |
| 03:32.19 | AbsoRayne | Still not inspired. :< |
| 03:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone in here know the Kaz'rogal fight in Hyjal? |
| 03:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | AoE mana burn debuff? |
| 03:32.44 | AbsoRayne | ScytheBlade1: Just keep everyone spread out. Its almost inevitable that someones going to blow up. |
| 03:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | See |
| 03:32.51 | AbsoRayne | If you have shadow priests, keep them with the healers. |
| 03:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Our AoE trash tank died last wave |
| 03:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | We're missing... all of our caster DPS period |
| 03:33.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Rogues failed at the distract |
| 03:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | He pulled on the NPCs |
| 03:33.25 | AbsoRayne | That happens alot though |
| 03:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | He's also at 18^ and mark #28 |
| 03:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 17% |
| 03:33.38 | AbsoRayne | mmmmm |
| 03:33.45 | AbsoRayne | Your DPS might not be ready for it then |
| 03:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 16%... |
| 03:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | 15... |
| 03:33.54 | AbsoRayne | Are you packing Destruction / Haste pots? |
| 03:34.03 | AbsoRayne | Drums, ect... |
| 03:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | All the casters and most all the rogues are dead |
| 03:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | 32 marks! |
| 03:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Still going! |
| 03:34.30 | Gnarfoz | I'd be surprised if that ends up as a kill |
| 03:34.35 | AbsoRayne | I would too |
| 03:34.40 | ScytheBlade1 | 10% |
| 03:34.40 | AbsoRayne | I dont think ive ever seen that high of marks. |
| 03:34.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just sitting here dead |
| 03:35.02 | Gnarfoz | also, don't they get faster? he should be casting them every second by now |
| 03:35.07 | ScytheBlade1 | He sure is |
| 03:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh bah tank died |
| 03:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Gonna be a 3% wipe |
| 03:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, 3% |
| 03:35.40 | Lopeppeppy | You're on the right track at least. |
| 03:35.45 | AbsoRayne | Yeah |
| 03:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | We've killed him several times before |
| 03:35.53 | AbsoRayne | First time trying him? |
| 03:35.55 | AbsoRayne | Oh |
| 03:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | This was tank died on the trash right before him |
| 03:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | He spawned in before the trash died |
| 03:36.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Early engagement with most of the raid dead |
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| 03:36.33 | AbsoRayne | Just bad luck on trash then, thats all. |
| 03:36.45 | Gnarfoz | grand strategy for hyjal: don't die on trash. :D |
| 03:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | srs |
| 03:37.58 | AbsoRayne | I just got out of a guild who two shotted Anetheron the first time we tried him, and the next 2 weeks wiped a minute into the fight. :/ |
| 03:38.16 | AbsoRayne | Now im in a BT Guild \o/ |
| 03:40.05 | Corrodias | so my couch is like cusions inside upholstery, or something |
| 03:40.21 | Corrodias | how would i apply a steam cleaner to it? |
| 03:40.28 | Lopeppeppy | So you can take some off and air them outside? Or are they attached? |
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| 03:40.43 | AbsoRayne | Gah, I just had the coolest idea for a UI layout, but EBBs bars dont go vertical. :< |
| 03:40.49 | Seerah | Okay, peeps, here's my current Broadcaster code I've been working on. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/87100-3t16 I'm having a problem with my slash commands and config, and I think it has to do with my attempt at having a way to put it into standby. I tried piecing it together from the Ace3 tutorial and various mods/my limited knowledge, but I need help :( |
| 03:40.57 | Corrodias | i can remove a cusion, but not the arm next to it which also needs some attention |
| 03:41.00 | Corrodias | cushion |
| 03:41.33 | Lopeppeppy | Take the cushion outdoors, and then follow the directions for whatever steam cleaner you rent/possess. Or just air the bejeezus out of it for a while. |
| 03:41.47 | Lopeppeppy | The arm.... that steam cleaner will be handy. |
| 03:41.57 | Corrodias | i'd consider removing the foam padding, but i fear i'd never be able to get it back in |
| 03:42.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Foam padding can be hard to clean well, the steam can't be too hot or it will damage it. |
| 03:42.54 | Corrodias | damn, complexity |
| 03:44.29 | Corrodias | the blanket seems to have come out okay |
| 03:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | Furniture is complex, dear. |
| 03:44.54 | Corrodias | but i'm a very simple person |
| 03:48.45 | Shirik | I like my furniture |
| 03:48.50 | Shirik | bed, desk, chair, done |
| 03:48.54 | dylanm | AbsoRayne: A lot of addons don't go vertical because you can't really use the built-in StatusBar type the way you'd like. If you're handy with Lua it's a nice exercise :p |
| 03:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | I will be going down toward that when I move, Shirik... too much for me to move alone. |
| 03:50.03 | Seerah | did anyone get a chance to see what I was doing wrong in my code? :) |
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| 03:50.30 | Seerah | <3 |
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| 03:50.42 | Lopeppeppy | Wiles ++ |
| 03:50.51 | Shirik | oh god, this is ace stuff |
| 03:50.53 | Seerah | ;) |
| 03:51.17 | Shirik | Seerah, I might be wrong considering I don't know ace |
| 03:51.22 | Shirik | but aren't 25 and 26 backwards? |
| 03:51.43 | Seerah | perhaps.... I don't know much myself :P |
| 03:51.51 | Corrodias | ... 52 and 62? |
| 03:51.57 | Shirik | it seems odd that a "set" functionreturns a value, and a "get" function sets a value |
| 03:52.11 | Seerah | that's how it is in the tutorial |
| 03:52.15 | Seerah | but I'll try switching them |
| 03:52.30 | Seerah | err... sorry - not the tutorial |
| 03:52.46 | Seerah | hmm where did I get that from? |
| 03:53.06 | Shirik | o..m..g... |
| 03:53.08 | Seerah | MageAnnounce |
| 03:53.09 | Shirik | your comments are awesome |
| 03:53.12 | Shirik | --IF PIG, THEN PIGGIE MESSAGE-- |
| 03:53.33 | AbsoRayne | dylanm: Im digging through the LUA, and though I know that I might be able to find WHERE it would be changeable, its not. The thing is, if I make the bars a certain height, the width gets constricted at one point so the buff bar ends up looking like a big block, and I can only made it longer, not thinner. |
| 03:53.34 | krka | AbsoRayne: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 03:53.36 | Seerah | good comments ensure that I remember what I was doing when I look at it the next day ..> |
| 03:54.04 | Shirik | hey I wasn't chastising you for it :) |
| 03:54.14 | Seerah | I know :) I was chastising myself :P |
| 03:56.05 | Shirik | no luck Seerah? |
| 03:56.53 | Seerah | no... :( Whenever I try to use my slash command or view the config in Ace3 Config or Blizz Options I get an AceConsole-3.0 error :( (and pressing enter leaves the edit box open with text still inside) |
| 03:57.44 | Seerah | oh wait... viewing GUI gives a broadcaster error, but related to AceConsole ("Broadcaster-1.0a\Broadcaster.lua:26: attempt to index global 'self' (a nil value) |
| 03:57.44 | Seerah | AceConfigDialog-3.0\AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua:241: in function <...nfig-3.0\AceConfigDialog-3.0\AceConfigDi......" |
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| 04:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Much better kill |
| 04:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Six debuffs |
| 04:10.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes, the karma is just right. |
| 04:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, yeah |
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| 04:20.39 | Tem | awww |
| 04:20.43 | Tem | we missed our bear mount :( |
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| 04:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
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| 04:43.37 | AbsoRayne | Shake n Bake for dinner :D |
| 04:43.42 | VonHellmann | Anyone know what would cause the Khaos configurator to close after opening? |
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| 05:06.22 | Yssaril | does this channel have some sort of botmail? |
| 05:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botmail |
| 05:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:07.20 | Yssaril | ~botmail |
| 05:11.33 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: thanks i havet comming an our late to a conversation and figure out the problem but the person with the problem already left /cry |
| 05:12.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 05:37.13 | Shirik | lua> ln = math.log; print(ln(10), ln(15)-ln(5)) |
| 05:37.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.302585092994, 1.0986122886681 |
| 05:37.45 | Shirik | lua> ln = math.log; print(ln(3), ln(15)-ln(5)) |
| 05:37.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.0986122886681, 1.0986122886681 |
| 05:42.13 | batrick | sup shirik |
| 05:42.21 | Shirik | halp plo |
| 05:42.22 | Shirik | plox |
| 05:42.31 | batrick | with wut? |
| 05:42.33 | Guillotine | lrn2logs |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | logs aren't helping me in the slightest |
| 05:42.57 | batrick | what are you doing |
| 05:43.26 | Shirik | solving this horrible problem I gave myself |
| 05:43.30 | Shirik | because it was a "great idea" |
| 05:43.36 | Shirik | http://up.norganna.org/show.php/vkS0P3/averager.pdf |
| 05:43.36 | batrick | lul |
| 05:43.48 | Shirik | I can't solve for x! |
| 05:43.53 | Shirik | I've now wasted 5 pieces of paper |
| 05:44.14 | Shirik | currently I'm looking at e^(x^(2^x)) |
| 05:44.17 | Shirik | and it's just laughing back at me |
| 05:44.43 | Shirik | oh btw |
| 05:44.45 | Shirik | that last line is wrong |
| 05:44.52 | Guillotine | The answer is 42 |
| 05:45.04 | Shirik | it should be x-ui/(sigma-i^3 * sqrt(2pi)) |
| 05:45.17 | Shirik | and the (x-ui^2) should be (x-ui)^2 |
| 05:50.40 | batrick | gaussian distributions ftl |
| 05:50.47 | batrick | fuck that shit |
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| 05:51.46 | Shirik | haha |
| 05:54.19 | batrick | do you need the answer or is it for fun? |
| 05:54.40 | Shirik | no I actually need the answer |
| 05:54.46 | Shirik | but not like it's urgent or anything |
| 06:13.32 | Fisker- | oops |
| 06:13.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:20.51 | Tasky | wow |
| 06:20.55 | Tasky | nokia pisses me off |
| 06:21.07 | Tasky | they assume jar files need to be copied from my phone |
| 06:21.09 | Tasky | :\ |
| 06:21.11 | Tasky | to * |
| 06:21.47 | batrick | for starters shirik |
| 06:22.06 | batrick | you can conclude that for a maximum you want the means to be the same |
| 06:22.13 | batrick | and the variance to be very small |
| 06:22.37 | Shirik | not really :P |
| 06:23.29 | Fisker- | anyone know if that greenpower shit WD runs on some of it's newer harddrives lowers performance overall or just when not needed? |
| 06:23.35 | Shirik | the issue is that I've got, say, 5 samples. Each of them have varying amount of standard deviation. I want to find the "most likely" value by summing all of their bell curves |
| 06:23.56 | Shirik | some of the variances are tiny yes, some are huge |
| 06:26.27 | Cairenn | *headdesk* |
| 06:26.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:26.51 | Shirik | lua> math.log(0) |
| 06:26.51 | lua_bot | Shirik: -inf |
| 06:27.04 | Shirik | what'swrong Cairenn :( |
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| 06:28.10 | Cairenn | User - I forgot my password and can't figure out how to fix it, can you help? |
| 06:28.10 | Cairenn | Me - I've manually reset your password for you. You can log in using [Username] [Password], then you can reset it to whatever you want |
| 06:28.10 | Cairenn | 2 days later .... |
| 06:28.10 | Cairenn | User - Uh, couldn't find my password, can you help me? |
| 06:28.10 | Cairenn | Me - Uh, why didn't you use the information I gave you? |
| 06:28.34 | Cairenn | I hate people!!! |
| 06:28.36 | Fisker- | owned |
| 06:28.56 | Fisker- | We had someone come down to reset her password |
| 06:29.01 | Fisker- | And she used her lastname |
| 06:29.04 | Fisker- | ALL 3 TIMES SHE GOT DOWN HERE |
| 06:29.08 | Fisker- | >:( |
| 06:29.20 | Fisker- | how can you not remember your lastname? |
| 06:29.24 | Cairenn | I just don't understand ..... |
| 06:29.38 | Shirik | gahhh I'm so close to this |
| 06:29.50 | Shirik | but I can't take the natural log of both sides because ln(0) is negative infinity which is meaningless! |
| 06:30.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:30.17 | Shirik | I think I see it! |
| 06:30.23 | Fisker- | -> o hai |
| 06:30.50 | Fisker- | what's 1TB in GiB? |
| 06:31.03 | Sixen_ | 1000GB? |
| 06:31.27 | Fisker- | well played |
| 06:31.29 | Fisker- | except not |
| 06:31.30 | Fisker- | :( |
| 06:31.33 | Sixen_ | o_O |
| 06:31.44 | Fisker- | i mean 1 harddrive TB |
| 06:32.02 | Shirik | 1024GB |
| 06:32.08 | Shirik | get it right! |
| 06:32.13 | Fisker- | I WANT TO KILL YOU SHIRIK |
| 06:32.18 | Fisker- | though i already did |
| 06:32.27 | Shirik | how can you kill that which has no life? |
| 06:32.31 | Fisker- | your mother |
| 06:32.33 | Fisker- | that's how |
| 06:33.06 | Shirik | what was your question? |
| 06:33.08 | Fisker- | anyways the answer is 931,32GB |
| 06:33.10 | Fisker- | howned |
| 06:33.15 | Fisker- | owned* |
| 06:33.20 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 06:33.34 | Fisker- | GiB :< |
| 06:33.37 | Sixen_ | Oh lul. |
| 06:33.48 | MentalPower|Zzzz | he means the formatted capacity of a 1TB drive |
| 06:33.49 | Sixen_ | Nice reference, Shirik. |
| 06:33.59 | Shirik | That's dependent upon the file system |
| 06:34.07 | Shirik | I declare Fisker-'s question null and void |
| 06:34.10 | Shirik | ~lart Fisker- |
| 06:34.10 | purl | nukes Fisker- with a single large nuke |
| 06:34.15 | MentalPower|Zzzz | in general |
| 06:34.18 | Fisker- | no it's not Shirik bawww |
| 06:34.34 | durcyn | more like, "what's 1TB in real numbers instead of hard drive manufacturer-speak" |
| 06:34.42 | Shirik | sure it is. I could make a filesystem right now that has much better capacity. |
| 06:34.46 | Fisker- | durcyn it's the same |
| 06:34.47 | durcyn | is it base 2, is it base 10 |
| 06:34.51 | durcyn | Fisker-: no |
| 06:34.52 | Shirik | It would be almost impossible to use, but it would have better capacity |
| 06:34.53 | Fisker- | yes it is |
| 06:35.03 | durcyn | Fisker-: except that it isn't |
| 06:35.04 | Fisker- | That's why we use Giga Binary |
| 06:35.08 | Fisker- | except that it is |
| 06:35.20 | durcyn | "giga binary" eh, not gibibytes as the SI folk would have you say |
| 06:35.24 | durcyn | what's a giga binary, sir? |
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| 06:35.38 | Shirik | I hate this GiB crap people started doing |
| 06:35.47 | Shirik | and I want to stap the physicists that made us start doing it |
| 06:35.56 | Shirik | I, for one, refuse to take part in it |
| 06:36.16 | Fisker- | durcyn the same thing |
| 06:36.39 | Fisker- | GiBi is a short for Giga Binary |
| 06:36.43 | durcyn | Fisker-: you do realize this all came about because HD manufacturers were advertising their drives as nice big round base-10 numbers instead of real capacity? |
| 06:37.17 | Fisker- | it's not actually wrong |
| 06:37.21 | durcyn | oh, right, binary byte, sure |
| 06:37.32 | durcyn | ~whalenuke Fisker- |
| 06:37.35 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker- with his mind powers. |
| 06:37.44 | Shirik | it is wrong |
| 06:38.11 | Fisker- | no it's not |
| 06:38.12 | Shirik | do you see me going to a doctor and saying "I need 10 units of whatever" and getting mad when he gave me 10ccs instead of 10in^3s? |
| 06:38.18 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 06:38.44 | MentalPower | what did I miss |
| 06:38.45 | Shirik | my advice to the marketing people: If you don't know our industry STAY THE HELL OUT |
| 06:38.48 | MentalPower | logs anyone? |
| 06:38.58 | Shirik | nothing really important :P |
| 06:39.10 | durcyn | MentalPower: pedantry and geekfighting, mostly |
| 06:39.19 | Fisker- | doesn't really matter |
| 06:39.21 | Tasky | nerd rage go! |
| 06:39.29 | Fisker- | the SI Prefixes are set in stone |
| 06:39.40 | End | stone? |
| 06:39.52 | Fisker- | yeah whatevar |
| 06:39.54 | Fisker- | Anyways |
| 06:39.55 | Shirik | it doesn't make any sense to use base 10 in a computer... ever |
| 06:40.00 | End | did some flying speghetti monster deliver it in tablet form? |
| 06:40.02 | Shirik | A computer can't even store 0.1exactly |
| 06:40.09 | Fisker- | it doesn't matter |
| 06:40.24 | Fisker- | yeah End |
| 06:40.35 | Shirik | well it can in fixed point math, but that's not the point |
| 06:40.55 | End | 2^10 -was- convention |
| 06:40.55 | Fisker- | That may well be, but just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not valid |
| 06:40.58 | Fisker- | cause it is |
| 06:41.00 | End | until people mucked with the numbers |
| 06:41.24 | End | and then people tried bandanging it with the gibi crap, which makes it even more confusing |
| 06:41.34 | Shirik | Next they'll start trying to tell me sqrt(-1) is "i" |
| 06:41.41 | End | lol\ |
| 06:41.47 | End | j? :P |
| 06:41.51 | Shirik | yes j |
| 06:41.53 | End | silly EE! |
| 06:41.56 | End | :P |
| 06:42.04 | Fisker- | Shirik or next they'll tell you that 1kilowatt is 1024 watts? |
| 06:42.12 | Fisker- | So you have to pay for that extra wattage |
| 06:42.14 | Fisker- | lets do that |
| 06:42.22 | End | Context is important |
| 06:42.25 | Fisker- | no it's not |
| 06:42.29 | Shirik | no see that doesn't make much sense |
| 06:42.30 | End | oh yes, it is |
| 06:42.34 | Fisker- | oh no it's not |
| 06:42.37 | Shirik | 1 watt doesn't come from a base 2 number |
| 06:42.41 | Shirik | 1 bit does |
| 06:42.50 | End | for Shirik, i already means something completely different :P |
| 06:43.54 | Shirik | i(t) = Irms*sqrt(2)*e^(jw*theta) |
| 06:44.10 | End | well, I have no idea what that means though |
| 06:44.17 | Shirik | AC current :) |
| 06:44.19 | End | but that's not my field |
| 06:44.20 | End | ah |
| 06:44.31 | End | well, I'll possibly remember that |
| 06:44.36 | Shirik | it's fairly simple |
| 06:44.51 | Shirik | e^(jw*theta) is the phasor, Irms*sqrt(2) is the amplitude of the sine wave |
| 06:44.52 | End | well, that's it is AC current...I'm less likely to remember the formula itself |
| 06:45.05 | End | aj |
| 06:45.07 | End | ack |
| 06:45.07 | Fisker- | anyways whatever |
| 06:45.08 | End | ah* |
| 06:48.04 | Shirik | ok guys, anyone want to take a look at my math to see how they can move a term around slightly to get it out of the way? |
| 06:48.10 | End | there's more practical reasons for me being "traditional", but he quit out, so oh well :P |
| 06:48.20 | End | eek, math |
| 06:48.37 | End | :P |
| 06:48.41 | Shirik | I'm so close.... |
| 06:48.43 | Shirik | it's so ssad |
| 06:50.21 | End | anyways, I'm off to bed now |
| 06:50.25 | End | night guys :) |
| 06:50.44 | Shirik | night |
| 06:50.50 | Syzgyn | This just in: Iron man is awesome! |
| 06:50.57 | batrick | Shirik: show me what u got os far |
| 06:52.01 | Shirik | http://up.norganna.org/show.php/yuXPDq/averager.pdf |
| 06:52.15 | Shirik | All I need to do is get all of the X's out of the summation and I'm good to go |
| 06:53.37 | Shirik | I dropped the 2 pi btw. If it's not evident, take it out of the summation, multiply by sqrt(2pi). Other side remains 0. |
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| 06:55.32 | End | IEEE still defines "standard" as base 2 for prefixes |
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| 06:55.41 | End | and yes, Iron Man is definitely awesome |
| 06:55.47 | Shirik | that's because IEEE is awesome |
| 06:55.50 | End | and yes, I was going to go to bed |
| 06:55.52 | Shirik | despite batrick hating them |
| 06:56.01 | batrick | i was about to chime in |
| 06:56.06 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:56.43 | batrick | when they stop taking copyright away from authors i may consider liking them :P |
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| 07:12.21 | Shirik | oh well, more playing with this tommorow. Night |
| 07:20.16 | Tem | HKM real quick |
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| 07:20.37 | Tem | you kite Kiggler, right? |
| 07:20.41 | Tem | and you need a tank for Olm |
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| 07:46.37 | Saithan | Good morning :) |
| 07:46.58 | Saithan | 0.o |
| 07:46.58 | wereHamster | good morning sir |
| 07:47.03 | Saithan | hm... didn't work :P |
| 07:47.36 | Saithan | I am experiencing a rather interesting problem with my cosmo UI, well I think it has something to do with the UI |
| 07:47.59 | Saithan | when I play my hunter and use the serpent sting, the target won't show any effect of that ability |
| 07:48.28 | Saithan | meaning, I can't see it |
| 07:48.45 | Saithan | the same goes with my druid and it's combo abilities |
| 07:49.07 | Saithan | and my warlock :P |
| 07:51.23 | Saithan | strange thing is, after the newest patch, my UI has lost a lot of the things it could do, like dungeon maps and such nice stuff. I have updated my UI several times and reinstalled it too, but neither has helped |
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| 07:54.22 | Guillotine | Saithan: |
| 07:54.33 | Guillotine | Click on the AddOns button and click Load out of date AddOns |
| 07:54.40 | Syzgyn | Dont use cosmo? :P |
| 07:55.15 | Guillotine | bad Syzgyn. You're being no help :P |
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| 07:55.46 | Saithan | well, I already tried that |
| 07:56.18 | Guillotine | Well, if the addons are enabled, dungeon maps should certainly still work |
| 07:56.20 | Saithan | just now, I tried removing all the addons and use the standard ui, and there doesn't seem to be any problems regarding the problem I mentioned earlier |
| 07:56.27 | Syzgyn | hm |
| 07:57.08 | Syzgyn | do you know the specific mod name for your map? |
| 07:58.07 | Saithan | um... I use the addons that comes with full cosmos installation |
| 07:58.30 | Syzgyn | oh, cosmos |
| 07:58.34 | Saithan | yup |
| 07:58.39 | Syzgyn | I thought it was a compilation |
| 07:58.48 | Saithan | no, sorry for the misunderstanding |
| 07:58.55 | Syzgyn | not a problem, I've tired |
| 07:58.57 | Syzgyn | I'm |
| 07:58.59 | Syzgyn | see? |
| 07:59.10 | Saithan | hehe |
| 07:59.51 | Syzgyn | I know nothing about the cosmos package :\ |
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| 08:00.35 | Saithan | bummer, any suggestion to what could cause the problem I mentioned earlier ? |
| 08:02.09 | Syzgyn | if all your mods are up to date and enable, then I dunno :\ |
| 08:02.22 | Syzgyn | maybe ask on the cosmos forums, see if anyone else is having the same problem |
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| 08:02.44 | Saithan | bummer |
| 08:03.01 | Saithan | I like cosmos because it's like an all-around UI :) |
| 08:04.04 | Saithan | any recommendation for a UI besides cosmos ? |
| 08:04.10 | Syzgyn | most of the people around here prefer to make their own custom UI's |
| 08:04.11 | Syzgyn | uhm |
| 08:04.54 | Saithan | I mostly play hybrid classes |
| 08:05.17 | Syzgyn | maybe the CTmod mods? |
| 08:06.10 | Saithan | could you provide me with a link please :) |
| 08:06.20 | Guillotine | Saithan: What are you using to update your Cosmos? |
| 08:06.37 | Syzgyn | http://www.ctmod.net/ |
| 08:06.40 | Saithan | the cosmos installer's update function |
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| 08:07.03 | Syzgyn | alright, bedtime. Goodluck Saithan |
| 08:07.12 | Saithan | thank you, and good night :) |
| 08:07.13 | Guillotine | And yah, while I support Cosmos, if you can figure out how to install AddOns yourself and are willing to spend the time, it is often a good idea to put together the exact addons you want. You can find a lot at www.wowinterface.com , www.curse.com, and ui.worldofwar.net |
| 08:07.35 | Saithan | :) yeah |
| 08:07.38 | cncfanatics | g'morning ppl |
| 08:08.49 | Saithan | I also know that customizing a UI is the best solution, but I kinda like the package solution provided by cosmos :) |
| 08:10.10 | Saithan | I think it's safe to say I've used it every since I found it a month or two after the beta |
| 08:10.53 | Guillotine | wow |
| 08:11.34 | Guillotine | Well, it IS nice to have it all in one place. And some of the addons (like AtlasLoot) are likely what you would be using without Cosmos anyway |
| 08:12.10 | Guillotine | Unfortunately, I'm not sure what would cause the problem you explained other than the addons not being up to date or enabled :( |
| 08:12.25 | Guillotine | But if you have any problems with TasteTheNaimbow or TellTrack... :P |
| 08:12.43 | Saithan | hm... hehehe |
| 08:14.01 | Saithan | well, perhaps I should try something new too |
| 08:14.09 | Saithan | though old dogs don't like learning new tricks :P |
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| 08:34.33 | Saithan | strange... cosmos doesn't seem to install the atlasloot addon |
| 08:35.02 | widgertick | Heya Tem =) |
| 08:35.11 | Tem | hiyo |
| 08:46.57 | Saithan | isn't atlasloot included in the cosmos installation ? |
| 08:49.54 | Guillotine | AtlasMap_Instances is |
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| 08:51.36 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, not only wowwiki looks horrible, wowforums aren't much better: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/wowforums.png |
| 08:52.44 | nevcairiel | looks like you simply scaled up your font :p |
| 08:54.16 | wereHamster | no, I didn't. It's because blizzard uses a 9pt font, which is huge on my display |
| 08:54.56 | wereHamster | wowwiki has the same problem, and many other websites as well |
| 08:55.28 | nevcairiel | why is a 9pt font that huge then? |
| 08:56.11 | [Ammo] | his OS is not ready for the desktop :) |
| 08:56.11 | wereHamster | because my display has a much higher dpi than a normal display |
| 08:56.59 | wereHamster | slashdot looks good, because they use persent in their font sizes instead of absolute values.. |
| 08:57.05 | nevcairiel | anyone designing web pages probably does it for the default user with 96 dpi |
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| 08:57.25 | wereHamster | yeah, and I have 145 |
| 09:00.04 | Saithan | bummer, doesn't look like I'll be using cosmos if this problem isn't solved :( |
| 09:00.36 | wereHamster | if they use pt in css, the font will be huge and I can't do anything about it. If they use px the font will be too small but at least I can set a minimum font size in Fx to fix that |
| 09:01.02 | Guillotine | http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/33258220 |
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| 09:14.37 | Saithan | I guess installing cosmos and CTmod is like an overkill :P |
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| 09:18.52 | Unregistered | Hello - I installed cosmos, and I LOVE it, but now when my Warlock casts DPS spells I do not see the spell icon on the target... which can be an issue with DPS as you do not know when to re-cast it... does anyone know how to fix this??? |
| 09:20.42 | cncfanatics | with spell icon, do you mean debuff icon ? |
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| 09:22.49 | WOULD | I mean, like if I CURSE the enemy, the icon that shows that he is cursed, and taking DPS from me |
| 09:23.08 | cncfanatics | thats the debuff icon yes |
| 09:23.15 | cncfanatics | any errors ? |
| 09:23.19 | cncfanatics | that trigger |
| 09:25.35 | WOULD | No errors... it just does not show up at all... and only since Cosmos installed |
| 09:26.45 | cncfanatics | are you sure error showing is enabled ? |
| 09:27.56 | WOULD | let me check |
| 09:35.58 | WOULD | I know I sound like an idiot.. but the place where usually you can click to see the errors is now covered by the "C" for census button, and even though there is a slider to move the census button away, it will not work... $^#^$ |
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| 10:03.13 | Saithan | I have experienced the same problem ever since 1 week ago or so |
| 10:03.29 | Saithan | and unfortunately it seem to be covering more than just the warlock |
| 10:03.58 | cncfanatics | solution: don't use cosmos |
| 10:04.04 | Saithan | druid's combo point damage, hunters serpent sting... actually all effects isn't displayed |
| 10:05.26 | Saithan | I've also noticed that the cosmos installer doesn't include the atlasloot in the installation package |
| 10:05.52 | Saithan | well, cosmos is good, and I like it, it's so all around, but now I'm trying out CTmod |
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| 10:06.08 | Saithan | until they fix cosmos I'll get to try other mods |
| 10:06.37 | cncfanatics | why not just download invididual addons ? |
| 10:07.38 | Saithan | I like the package solution, so I'll move on to and try something new |
| 10:08.52 | Saithan | well, I used cosmos because it was easy to use and a lot of the stuff I wanted was in it |
| 10:11.20 | cncfanatics | its never exactly what you want |
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| 10:40.49 | foxlit | morning :) |
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| 10:42.56 | [Liq] | Hi everyone :-) |
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| 10:44.27 | [Liq] | Hi everyone :-) |
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| 11:21.23 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/02/funny-pictures-schrodinger-xperimint/ |
| 11:24.55 | bleeter | Omen2 has keylogger post to customer support forum. If you feel like replying, remember it's one of the more heavily moderated forums that blizz have |
| 11:24.59 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286639448&sid=1 |
| 11:29.50 | nevcairiel | None of the .zips from the last few days on wowace contains anything that he claims |
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| 11:31.37 | zenzelezz | when has that ever stopped people from going paranoid? =) |
| 11:31.54 | zenzelezz | ooh, new Slackware... nice timing, I was thinking of upgrading |
| 11:33.25 | bleeter | nevcairiel: that, I do not doubt. Was inviting the community to comment. |
| 11:33.33 | nevcairiel | I cant |
| 11:33.34 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 11:33.47 | nevcairiel | stupid US forums wont let me post with my puny EU account |
| 11:35.30 | bleeter | nevcairiel: if you'd like me to copy/paste anything, I'd be more than happy to do so on your behalf :) |
| 11:35.44 | nevcairiel | I bet Antiarc will write some comment |
| 11:35.49 | bleeter | well, not anything, any comments to that cited post |
| 11:35.55 | Antiarc | I'm working on a comment. |
| 11:36.03 | art3mis | oh bleeter you stilll working on the wine project? |
| 11:36.07 | bleeter | if antiarc ever sees it hehe, seems the OP has bugered off to bed |
| 11:37.05 | bleeter | art3mis: nope, ever since I needed some EotS marks, I've been under Win32. At the time I finished getting my marks, I'm in a bloody big guild where the whole having to deal with wine thing, form an attempt to be a debugger point of view, was totally impractical |
| 11:37.21 | bleeter | that, and having my time split 23323434534595456.4 ways, doesn't help hehe |
| 11:38.23 | art3mis | "just a heads up everyone, tonight my account was hacked, i downloaded <insert popular addon here> and it seems there's a keylogger in it by the name of <insert addonname+4 random numbers> in the directory. Be careful! |
| 11:38.32 | art3mis | ^^^ form letter for causing panic |
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| 11:38.40 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:38.57 | Antiarc | HAI GUYS I DOWNLOADED OMEN-r102592.zip FROM A CHINESE WOWACE SITE, HALP, MAH KEYS R LOGGED |
| 11:39.04 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 11:39.23 | Antiarc | Seriously though, given the level of accountability on Wowace, I'm REALLY not buying this one. |
| 11:39.38 | Antiarc | Commit logs and full version history availability? |
| 11:39.43 | Antiarc | That's sorta hard to get around. |
| 11:39.51 | art3mis | bleeter: oh heh i told someone commenting on .61 that it was partially due to you and yer raiding fanatisism that helped the dx additions along on thier way and i was gonna pass thier thanks oodles back to ya ;P |
| 11:40.02 | Antiarc | And the fact that the repo specifically is locked down to a restricted whitelist of benign filetypes. |
| 11:40.16 | art3mis | but sinc you're not responsible i'm taking it back ;) |
| 11:40.25 | bleeter | art3mis: I wouldn't take that credit. I certainly WOULD take credit for getting 2.2 out the door ;) |
| 11:41.03 | bleeter | even if I didn't identify the problematic audio code, I drove the Wine guy and the... (Blizz's 3rd party audio guy) to nail the solution in about 5 emails |
| 11:41.11 | art3mis | feel free to tell them the botting community thanks them for thier diligent work with Win-Wow ;P |
| 11:41.40 | wereHamster | bleeter, did you find a bug in the audion code? |
| 11:41.51 | art3mis | Antiarc: maybe the svn was made with Ace2 |
| 11:42.00 | art3mis | it's fster and more gooder! |
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| 11:42.25 | bleeter | wereHamster: actually, I think we nailed it as a bug in directx, that was exposed in the audio library. it was intermittent under Vista, leading to really nasty crashes. Under wine, it'd just refuse to start the game. |
| 11:42.56 | bleeter | from memory, a pointer to the DX audio library might, or might not (depending on phase of moon) still be available after unloading |
| 11:43.02 | art3mis | and of course fairly bug ridden which allowed evil haxors to hack your computer add an executable that not an executable into the repo and then it got packaged and at that precise moment his whole guild downloaded and then he removed it via your computer and erased all trace! |
| 11:43.06 | wereHamster | interesting. I don't remember having wow refuse to start |
| 11:43.29 | bleeter | under XP and earlier, DX didn't do squat, it still let the thing proceed. Vista would, or would not (depending on phase of moon) crash out at random times with audio errors |
| 11:43.34 | bleeter | this was on PTR |
| 11:43.38 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/ui/notepad/14/ |
| 11:43.45 | bleeter | it was worked around by disabling sound ;) |
| 11:44.12 | wereHamster | ah, was that the 'keep the dll in memory even after wow closes the last reference to it else wow will crash' ? |
| 11:44.12 | foxlit | Problem: addon should determine which mount you'd want to use in Azeroth |
| 11:44.53 | art3mis | Antiarc: and as soon as the guild people did it the haxxors used the executble thats not an executeable to haxxor the guild memebers pcs and setal thier passwords from memory |
| 11:45.05 | art3mis | OR the way it really happened... |
| 11:45.13 | bleeter | wereHamster: yeah, 'cept it was 'cept certain directx apps will crash because they're doing stuff that MSDN said was OK, but clearly isn't, and behaves differently under Vista' |
| 11:45.26 | art3mis | Guild memembers got invites to WotLK beta from a fake site and signed up using their same passwd |
| 11:45.30 | bleeter | wereHamster: think we 'fixed' half a dozen Wine games with that :) |
| 11:46.08 | art3mis | im pissed at msdn/actionpack |
| 11:46.18 | wereHamster | it probably was after I stopped playing wow and kindof stopped paying attention to what's going on in wine... |
| 11:46.32 | art3mis | fuckers wnt me to spend like 500$ getting sbs certified in order to get the beta and actionpack versions of 2008sbs |
| 11:47.24 | Kalroth | art3mis: we had a retard member not only sign up for a fake wrath beta site, but also brag about it on our forum |
| 11:47.27 | art3mis | so i wrote them a note saying that basically none of my customers will end up recieving this until i can make sure its good and im NOT paying extra to "certify" myslf with it when i specifically signed up for the action pack to be able to evaluate prior and thus help them make thier choices |
| 11:47.35 | art3mis | Kalroth: ahhah |
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| 11:48.04 | Kalroth | "I'm in WotLK beta, you're not! neener neener!" |
| 11:48.33 | bleeter | Kalroth: that's the sort of person I'm our guild monitor for. I've got permission to gkick 'fuckwits and morons' without consultation to the GM :D |
| 11:49.08 | bleeter | Dunno whether to be happy or sad that I've only ever used the power once in 12 months |
| 11:50.42 | wereHamster | gee, you have such power and are not abusing it? that's remarkable |
| 11:55.36 | bleeter | the remarkable thing is we've got .... 85 lvl 70's or something, and I can't find much wrong with any of them :/ |
| 11:56.28 | bleeter | heck, not much wrong with any of the 300+ accounts... that is truly truly odd. But as I've always thought, if you want to be in a guild of mature, sensible people, roll RP |
| 11:56.47 | bleeter | or want to find one relatively easily |
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| 12:31.17 | art3mis | bleeter: you're obviously not trying hard enough ;P |
| 12:51.30 | Shot | How much is spellsurge formula worth these days? |
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| 13:08.57 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
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| 13:39.30 | Kaso | Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.youtube.com |
| 13:39.37 | Kaso | Youtube's dns seems to be down?! gasp |
| 13:40.30 | wereHamster | 208.65.153.251 |
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| 14:07.03 | SpiderBK | how does tcopy works? can i do tcopy(table1, table2) and table1 will be copied to table2? |
| 14:07.17 | foxlit | find where that's defined |
| 14:07.35 | foxlit | ping youtube.com |
| 14:07.36 | foxlit | ping: cannot resolve youtube.com: Unknown host |
| 14:07.39 | foxlit | THEY KILLED RICK! :( |
| 14:08.51 | foxlit | Because tcopy isn't a function provided by Lua/WoW |
| 14:11.07 | Drundia | apparently there is tablecopy=CopyTable(table) in WOW now |
| 14:12.02 | SpiderBK | i thought i read something about that on wowwiki but cant find it :/ |
| 14:13.44 | foxlit | tablecopy isn't live; CopyTable seems to be |
| 14:13.59 | foxlit | FrameXML\UIParent |
| 14:14.20 | foxlit | ~addonkit |
| 14:14.21 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 14:16.08 | SpiderBK | ah yes, thx |
| 14:16.22 | foxlit | oh, and, don't use that |
| 14:16.28 | SpiderBK | why not? |
| 14:17.06 | haste | ~wdn |
| 14:17.07 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 14:17.09 | foxlit | Doesn't do a lot of sanity checking |
| 14:17.26 | foxlit | t = {a="b"}; t.t = t; CopyTable(t); -- stack overflow |
| 14:17.48 | Drundia | happens with all |
| 14:18.00 | Drundia | wowwiki's tcopy has same problem |
| 14:18.13 | foxlit | Then wowwiki's tcopy author needs to be hit over the head |
| 14:18.27 | foxlit | It's entirely possible to handle nested tables correctly |
| 14:19.04 | Drundia | true |
| 14:19.06 | SpiderBK | so its better to write the table copy function myself? |
| 14:19.32 | foxlit | If you want it to work with table recursions, yes |
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| 14:19.48 | foxlit | If not, might as well use that |
| 14:20.17 | Drundia | Blizzard CopyTable needs this kind of love I think |
| 14:20.51 | foxlit | I'm guessing it's actualy part of heir configuration UI |
| 14:21.05 | foxlit | That has an abnormal tendency of requiring way too many settings copies to operate correctly. |
| 14:21.27 | Drundia | Blizzard_CombatLog uses it |
| 14:21.34 | Drundia | no idea if anything else does |
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| 14:56.30 | cncfanatics | WTB function overloading in lua |
| 14:57.01 | foxlit | WTS [better design] |
| 14:57.06 | foxlit | pst? |
| 14:59.07 | cncfanatics | being able to overload functions is just handy :p |
| 15:01.11 | nevcairiel | cant really overload functions with no strict typing |
| 15:02.39 | Drundia | i believe it would be handy if you could modify function like table |
| 15:03.06 | Drundia | that is make sure that all of its references get updated, in particular local ones/upvalues |
| 15:04.07 | MentalPower | are you gonna keep babbling on about the upvalues? |
| 15:04.21 | Drundia | hmmm... yes :( |
| 15:04.23 | MentalPower | I'm sorry, but we've all heard enough about it already |
| 15:04.26 | MentalPower | so stop |
| 15:05.25 | MentalPower | we know what you want, blizzard knows what you want, you've asked for it non-stop for the past month or so, *we know* |
| 15:05.29 | MentalPower | so stop |
| 15:05.41 | MentalPower | we are tired of it |
| 15:06.18 | foxlit | For what it's worth, MP isn't speaking for everyone. |
| 15:06.55 | Shirik | cncfanatics, it's fairly simple to do |
| 15:07.14 | MentalPower | foxlit: oh so you'd like Drundia to keep on requesting the same thing over and over and over again for another month? |
| 15:07.17 | Shirik | it just requires some ninja magic sometimes |
| 15:07.26 | cncfanatics | how so ? |
| 15:07.46 | cncfanatics | I can't find any non-hackery way to do it out the top of my head |
| 15:08.08 | Drundia | MP, they say constant whining is thing that actually works better than well-thought requests with logical reasoning |
| 15:08.17 | nevcairiel | function(...) local numargs = select('#', ...); if numargs == 2 then func1(...) elseif numargs == 4 then func2(...) end end |
| 15:08.18 | MentalPower | not here |
| 15:08.30 | nevcairiel | because you dont have strong typing, you can only overload by arg count |
| 15:08.34 | MentalPower | Drundia: constant whining will just get you a +b |
| 15:08.36 | foxlit | MentalPower: I wouldn't care, at least - it's easy to ignore background static; it's harder to ignore hostility. |
| 15:11.18 | Shirik | well to be honest, the Blizzard reps are not here to get suggestions, really |
| 15:11.33 | Shirik | they're here to be more in touch with the community, but really not to have everyone pounce on them |
| 15:12.30 | Shirik | cncfanatics: I'm trying to find an example, sorry |
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| 15:13.19 | cncfanatics | how do you want them to get in touch with the community if they barely ever say anything ? :o |
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| 15:13.48 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt say that, they talk regularly here |
| 15:13.52 | Shirik | yeah they do |
| 15:14.00 | cncfanatics | never saw them, probably due to timezones |
| 15:14.05 | Shirik | potentially |
| 15:14.10 | nevcairiel | at least Zoot does, Alex is a little quiter |
| 15:14.13 | Shirik | keep in mind that they do have a day job :) |
| 15:14.20 | cncfanatics | I'm in the EU timezone |
| 15:14.27 | cncfanatics | I'm probably sleeping when they're active :p |
| 15:14.32 | cncfanatics | btw, how do table lookups work ? |
| 15:14.37 | cncfanatics | in lua |
| 15:14.41 | Shirik | lua_gettable? |
| 15:14.45 | Shirik | what are you asking? |
| 15:14.54 | cncfanatics | I mean, how fast/slow are hash table lookups compared to indexed tables |
| 15:15.04 | cncfanatics | let me give an example |
| 15:15.04 | Shirik | hashes are faster |
| 15:15.11 | Shirik | however they do require more memory |
| 15:15.18 | cncfanatics | I have a table {"one", "two", "three", "four", "five"} |
| 15:15.36 | cncfanatics | and another table { one = 1, two = 2, three = 3, four = 4, five = 5 } |
| 15:15.41 | Kaso | cncfanatics, fast |
| 15:15.45 | cncfanatics | in which could I figure out the index faster ? |
| 15:15.50 | Kaso | i did a time-test the other day, lemme find link |
| 15:15.53 | Shirik | figure out the index faster? |
| 15:16.00 | cncfanatics | one's index is 1 |
| 15:16.02 | Shirik | the former, because it would just be t[1] |
| 15:16.02 | cncfanatics | two's index is 2 |
| 15:16.02 | nevcairiel | I think the speed difference from int-indexed -> hash is not really worth mentioning |
| 15:16.10 | Shirik | the latter would have to be iterated over |
| 15:16.16 | cncfanatics | no no |
| 15:16.20 | cncfanatics | I know the value |
| 15:16.23 | cncfanatics | I want to figure what key it is at |
| 15:16.40 | cncfanatics | the value is say, "four" (that was just an example) |
| 15:16.46 | cncfanatics | I need to figure out its key |
| 15:16.47 | cncfanatics | which is 4 |
| 15:16.51 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/86922 |
| 15:16.52 | nevcairiel | your hahs table is faster then |
| 15:16.55 | Shirik | t["four"] is faster |
| 15:17.01 | nevcairiel | because your int-indexed table needs a iteration over the table |
| 15:17.14 | cncfanatics | doesn't t["four"] do an iteration internaly anyway ? |
| 15:17.17 | Shirik | btw, this is the only real example of "overloaded" functions that I can find right now,sorry :( http://wowi.pastey.net/87117 |
| 15:17.29 | Shirik | hash lookups are extremely fast |
| 15:17.33 | Kaso | that pastey link i posted up there shows relative times it takes |
| 15:17.45 | Shirik | in all honesty this discussion isn't really relevant |
| 15:17.57 | Kaso | 10million itterations, took <1 sec for hash, 2-12 sec for itterating |
| 15:18.05 | cncfanatics | <3 Kaso |
| 15:18.09 | Kaso | 10 mill lookups i guess |
| 15:18.33 | nevcairiel | Just code for readability and easier code imho |
| 15:18.44 | nevcairiel | dont screw with nano-second improvement over readability |
| 15:18.51 | cncfanatics | I'm going to go for performance for stuff that might run several times a second |
| 15:22.10 | nevcairiel | Does anyone know if SetVertexColor with the same color value as before actually impacts performance? |
| 15:22.31 | nevcairiel | (other then the function call) |
| 15:23.14 | nevcairiel | I would assume the game engine re-draws everything anyway, and just changing the color variables shouldnt impact the performance at all.. |
| 15:23.33 | cncfanatics | it'll probably affect it minimaly |
| 15:23.43 | cncfanatics | but well, changing some variables in C ain't going to take a lot of time |
| 15:23.54 | Kaso | Experimentation bekons you nevcairiel ! |
| 15:24.25 | nevcairiel | well i dont know how DirectX rendering works, i only know OpenGL, so no idea how re-draws are handles in dx :P |
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| 15:25.03 | cncfanatics | I doubt its that much different |
| 15:25.15 | cncfanatics | or WoW wouldn't have been able to support both so easely |
| 15:25.56 | Kaso | write two sets of code, one which resets the colors, one which checks getvertexcolor to ensure there is a difference, see which addon uses most cpu time, then do that in your final product |
| 15:25.57 | Kaso | easy |
| 15:26.34 | nevcairiel | I could cache the color in my own code, no need for the Get call |
| 15:26.35 | Cairenn|afk | guys, I'm going to make this simple and to the point, because I've only had 3 hrs sleep so far and I'm frankly just really not in the mood - we already lost having one Blizz in here because everyone was constantly jumping on him whenever he showed up in here. piss off and leave them the hell alone already |
| 15:26.57 | Kaso | true |
| 15:27.03 | Cairenn|afk | they don't have to be in here, it isn't part of their job requirement, they are doing it on their own free time |
| 15:27.34 | Kaso | (true was to nev, /me didnt know about blizz drama) |
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| 15:30.31 | cncfanatics | g'night :p |
| 15:31.16 | Shirik | cncfanatics, did you see what I did for overloading? |
| 15:31.34 | Polarina | nevcairiel: WoW uses OpenGL as well. |
| 15:31.45 | nevcairiel | My WoW uses DirectX |
| 15:31.49 | nevcairiel | and its good like that. |
| 15:31.49 | Shirik | uses both Polarina |
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| 15:32.32 | cncfanatics | Shirik: you just seem to use a default value for your third argument |
| 15:32.41 | Shirik | and second |
| 15:32.49 | zenzelezz | "Bumping and grinding here. We need to reinforce on almost all positions due to a massive babyboom in the guild," |
| 15:33.00 | Shirik | eh, well, this is a bad example |
| 15:33.28 | Shirik | I have other functions where I would do if type(priority) then skipSignals = priority; priority = nil; end |
| 15:33.41 | Shirik | if type(priority) == 'somethingelse' etc |
| 15:33.43 | cncfanatics | yea, thats what I usualy do too |
| 15:33.43 | Drundia | I just want to say that if you find anything I say too annoying or something, please tell me, I'm trying to keep all of them in mind and not annoy you further. |
| 15:33.50 | cncfanatics | its ugly though, Shirik |
| 15:33.57 | Shirik | um |
| 15:34.04 | Shirik | you could do something else, but it's equally ugly |
| 15:34.15 | cncfanatics | yea, I know :p which is why I asked |
| 15:34.33 | cncfanatics | thought someone might know an elegant solution |
| 15:34.34 | nevcairiel | function overloaded(...) local numargs = select('#', ...); if numargs == 2 then func1(...) elseif numargs == 4 then func2(...) end end |
| 15:34.35 | Shirik | myFunction = setmetatable({}, __call = function(...) --[[read all the arguments and figure out which one to call]] end); |
| 15:34.35 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:35.18 | nevcairiel | why use a meta table for that and not a function ? <.< |
| 15:35.37 | Shirik | that's a really good question |
| 15:35.42 | Shirik | I don't know why I thought of that |
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| 15:36.06 | nevcairiel | well you could store the functions that you have for different args in the table instead of local vars |
| 15:36.11 | nevcairiel | but its still funky :D |
| 15:36.20 | Shirik | however, your version should do a tailcall :) |
| 15:36.40 | Shirik | return func1(...) return func2(...) etc |
| 15:36.43 | nevcairiel | sure, yeah |
| 15:36.46 | nevcairiel | was just a example |
| 15:36.55 | Shirik | an inefficient one! |
| 15:36.57 | Shirik | rawr |
| 15:37.12 | nevcairiel | i keep my effiency for my own code |
| 15:37.16 | nevcairiel | and give you the bad stuff |
| 15:37.17 | Shirik | now want to help me solve my math problem? |
| 15:37.24 | nevcairiel | what kind of math? |
| 15:37.28 | Shirik | it's just algebra |
| 15:37.32 | Shirik | I've already done the calculus work |
| 15:38.27 | nevcairiel | sure, just post what you cant figure out :p |
| 15:39.00 | Shirik | http://up.norganna.org/show.php/q5fsOA/averager.pdf I need to solve for X. Keep in mind that sigma1, mu1, etc are all constants |
| 15:39.07 | Shirik | so I don't care how they're put together, but I need to solve for x |
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| 15:39.46 | cncfanatics | hmmm, what would be the best way to implement a priority system ? (if I have multiple things active, I need to figure out what one to use and discard the others) |
| 15:40.00 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 15:40.02 | Shirik | get an RTOS :D |
| 15:40.15 | Shirik | nevcairiel, I don't even care if it's just "add up all this stuff" |
| 15:40.21 | Shirik | because they're constants, it can be done |
| 15:40.31 | Shirik | the X is what I need toget rid of :P |
| 15:40.37 | nevcairiel | anything except x is constant ? |
| 15:40.45 | Shirik | sigma and mu are constant |
| 15:40.50 | Shirik | I think those are the only others |
| 15:40.58 | Shirik | oh, n, but that's just the number of terms |
| 15:41.07 | nevcairiel | yeah of course |
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| 15:41.35 | Shirik | mu sub 1 != mu sub 2 though |
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| 15:50.01 | cncfanatics | omg at those maths |
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| 15:53.05 | Kalroth | If there's something I hate, then it's when I write ~100 lines of code on top of my head and it compiles without warnings or errors :( |
| 15:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | Why is this for hate? |
| 15:53.42 | Kalroth | Because then I just know that I left something out or forgot something or made some other hidden error |
| 15:53.45 | Kaso | because writing that much code and it not erroring is not natural |
| 15:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree that it's un-natural and suspicious, but hatred so early in the morning gives me heartburn. |
| 15:54.50 | Kalroth | Sorry, but it's 6pm here, so it's ok for me to hate |
| 15:54.57 | zenzelezz | there, counter-balance |
| 15:55.59 | cncfanatics | can anyone help me ? :p I'm wondering on how to implement a priority system, given a list of things, it must be able to figure out which one to pick based on priorities |
| 15:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. Good morning to you too, zenzelezz. |
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| 16:00.29 | nevcairiel | Shirik: sums are ftl to work algebra with ... |
| 16:00.48 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:02.11 | Drundia | cnc, and what is a problem? you give each thing a priority and then find the one with highest and do it. |
| 16:03.07 | cncfanatics | yea, thats not the problem |
| 16:03.16 | cncfanatics | the thing is, the user needs to be able to override those priorities |
| 16:03.23 | cncfanatics | so I'd need two tables |
| 16:03.39 | cncfanatics | and I'm wondering how I'm going to implement that |
| 16:04.58 | Drundia | how would you want to index it? make it like prio = priolist[thing] or userpriooverrides[thing] |
| 16:05.14 | SpiderBK | if i hide a frame it doesent run the OnUpdate, is that correct? or do i need frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) to stop the update? |
| 16:05.38 | Drundia | Hidden frames don't run OnUpdates |
| 16:05.38 | dylanm | SpiderBK: Hidden frames don't update, no. |
| 16:05.44 | SpiderBK | ok, thx |
| 16:06.03 | cncfanatics | Drundia: what if the autogenerated priority from priolist and the user overriden priority end up having the same value ? |
| 16:07.23 | Drundia | that's lua or, actually for proper result you also need to swap those things around or, my bad. |
| 16:08.25 | AnduinLothar | Saithan: http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?p=66962 |
| 16:08.35 | Drundia | it's like operator or(v1, v2) if (v1) then return v1; else return v2; end; end; |
| 16:10.38 | cncfanatics | I think I know how I'm gonna do it |
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| 16:19.47 | Kaso | OLPC have sold out to microsoft? :( |
| 16:20.18 | AnduinLothar | of course they sold out. the project was doomed fromt eh begnning |
| 16:20.48 | Kaso | this is perhaps true |
| 16:21.22 | AnduinLothar | you can't invent a new tool to be sold underprice and expect your revenue to cover your research and fabrication costs |
| 16:22.31 | AnduinLothar | the onyl way it would have worked long term is if they'd taken a laptop that already existed on the market and stripped it down and then added some already developed software and then sold it cheep. |
| 16:23.40 | AnduinLothar | but instead they spent like 3 years in development of a toy that would be more useful for giving to needy families in developed countries. |
| 16:25.27 | AnduinLothar | they definitely should have skipped the R&D on the electrical problem and just hooked them up to car batteries, which are easily charged by bicycles. |
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| 16:39.32 | Kolie | Hello |
| 16:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 17:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... we don't have the K'iru spawn, even though we finished the island :( |
| 17:36.46 | nevcairiel | maybe there is some delay in that? |
| 17:36.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It's been about 12 hours since we got it |
| 17:36.58 | nevcairiel | my server is still one day away from that :( |
| 17:37.23 | ScytheBlade1 | See that's what I like about Doomhammer - we don't care for the event *at all* just the money |
| 17:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And we still came in second overall |
| 17:37.39 | nevcairiel | I dunno if people care really |
| 17:37.45 | nevcairiel | i stopped doing the dailys on exalted |
| 17:37.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, a lot of people did |
| 17:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Why I couldn't tell you, money is money is money |
| 17:38.14 | nevcairiel | yeah i got so sick of those quests |
| 17:38.19 | nevcairiel | i'll probably start doing them again |
| 17:38.21 | nevcairiel | when i have time |
| 17:38.26 | nevcairiel | mostly only on weekends |
| 17:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | They are so stupidly fast though |
| 17:39.02 | nevcairiel | we're second in EU right now |
| 17:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | They make Netherwing look as retarded as they actually are, considering that misses some people entirely due to "LOL DRAKE GIVE ME NOW" |
| 17:39.55 | nevcairiel | i never did netherwing, heh |
| 17:40.01 | nevcairiel | the quests sucked so much as a healer |
| 17:40.13 | nevcairiel | (and i have a arena drake for satisfying all the drake-needs) |
| 17:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | They sucked incredibly hard all around |
| 17:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And tbh the drake is horribly overrated :P |
| 17:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "Let's give a player a mount so big that a single player can cover up the any NPC of their choice!" "YES! It is GENIUS!" |
| 17:41.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah no |
| 17:41.31 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: You leaked their secrets... |
| 17:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: not like it wasn't blatently obvious ;) |
| 17:42.55 | nevcairiel | meh half the mounts can cover npcs |
| 17:42.56 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: You are the first of the human kind to discover that. |
| 17:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: gnome kind |
| 17:43.37 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: In real life... |
| 17:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnome on a Netherray and a Black Battlestrider. :P |
| 17:43.57 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: Tell Xinhuan that. |
| 17:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah well he's a freak |
| 17:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have the arena drake, you're entitled to ride that. Congrats, seriously. |
| 17:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But we don't need 1/2 the entire server on mounts bigger than some raid bosses. |
| 17:44.45 | Gnarfoz | he bought the team for 3k gold IIRC :D |
| 17:44.52 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:45.00 | nevcairiel | he couldve bought it for 30k |
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| 17:45.08 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 17:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Congrats, he found someone who was incredibly retarded to the point where they should be in the 1200 bracket, not 2200 |
| 17:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That is also worth something ;) |
| 17:45.40 | Polarina | It's like indirectly purchasing a BoP armour set. |
| 17:46.24 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Xinhuan < getting the source code of that and checking the <knownTitles> section makes my head dizzy |
| 17:46.35 | Polarina | o.O |
| 17:47.01 | Gnarfoz | he's got like, EVERY title there is besides the lower two arena titles |
| 17:47.05 | dylanm | MORE LIKE SCRUB LORD |
| 17:47.47 | Gnarfoz | funny that you can see in the armory how many Arena Points somebody has, but spell haste and armor penetration are still missing :D |
| 17:51.50 | Shirik | algebra check: I assert that a^(bc) = (a^b)^c |
| 17:51.52 | Shirik | true or false? |
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| 17:52.27 | dylanm | Shirik: True. |
| 17:52.39 | Shirik | thanks |
| 17:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 2^(2*2); (2^2)^2 |
| 17:54.39 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '2' |
| 17:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh comma |
| 17:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 2^(2*2), (2^2)^2 |
| 17:54.49 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 16, 16 |
| 17:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey already answered, fail |
| 17:55.43 | Industrial | is there an estimate/calculation for how long it takes to get weapon skill levels up? also, does mob level affect the process? |
| 17:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Industrial: somewhere between incredible pain and insanity, and no, as people skill up on rats in the Tram |
| 17:57.40 | Kaso | as far as i am aware the way the mobs level effects is dodge/miss rate leading to less/more hits |
| 17:57.52 | foxlit | tsp? |
| 17:58.11 | Polarina | foxlit: Travelling Salesman Problem. |
| 17:58.51 | Industrial | ScytheBlade1: why on thr tram? wouldnt a servant of razelikh get you WAAAAAAY more hits and NOOOOO running at all :P? |
| 17:59.04 | foxlit | you really need a faster image server |
| 17:59.12 | nevcairiel | Polarina: that route even looks sub-optimal |
| 17:59.33 | Polarina | nevcairiel: What does that mean? |
| 17:59.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Industrial: insatant respawns, no durability |
| 17:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | There will ALWAYS be a rat up in one specific shot :) |
| 18:00.01 | Kaso | means the big zig-zigs dont seem the fastest way to do the nodes |
| 18:00.03 | Industrial | shot yes :P but what if you meelee |
| 18:00.23 | nevcairiel | yeah the route looks way too long |
| 18:00.32 | foxlit | TSP is NP-complete anyway |
| 18:00.44 | foxlit | So O(n^2) is optimistically misguided |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | Its probably not a NP-complete algorithm |
| 18:01.32 | Polarina | nevcairiel: Of course it isn't. At least there are no crossing lines. |
| 18:01.58 | Polarina | TSP is NP-hard. |
| 18:02.02 | Kaso | what's wrong with crossing lines? |
| 18:02.10 | nevcairiel | if crossing lines are the fastes way to do that, why not? |
| 18:02.18 | nevcairiel | your route looks totally wrong |
| 18:02.23 | Polarina | I know. xD |
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| 18:05.21 | Polarina | Well, that's why I glared at it. |
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| 18:33.52 | foxlit | Hrm, there should be a constant for the number of bags somewhere |
| 18:35.08 | Syzgyn | foxlit: as in, the number of bags in your inventory? |
| 18:35.20 | foxlit | yes; NUM_BAG_SLOTS is the thing |
| 18:35.55 | Syzgyn | there ya go then |
| 18:37.01 | dylanm | BANK_CONTAINER, NUM_BANKBAGSLOTS, KEYRING_CONTAINER |
| 18:37.04 | dylanm | Blah blah. |
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| 18:40.28 | nevcairiel | Is there a way to directly get the name of the spell a action id is associated with? |
| 18:40.36 | Shirik | I need a 3.2 for honor roll |
| 18:40.40 | Shirik | I got a 3.182 |
| 18:41.41 | Syzgyn | nevcairiel: GetSpellInfo(ID)? |
| 18:41.53 | nevcairiel | nah thats not action ids |
| 18:41.59 | Syzgyn | oh, action ID |
| 18:42.04 | dylanm | Ummm. |
| 18:42.06 | Syzgyn | uhh |
| 18:42.10 | foxlit | GetActionInfo/GetSpellInfo |
| 18:42.34 | foxlit | As in |
| 18:42.35 | nevcairiel | meh they should just add a simple api to do that |
| 18:42.36 | dylanm | Oh, neat. |
| 18:42.45 | dylanm | I didn't know about GetActionInfo like at all. |
| 18:42.58 | nevcairiel | GetActionInfo returns your spell book id |
| 18:43.02 | nevcairiel | guess i need to query that |
| 18:43.04 | foxlit | function GetSpell(actionId) local t, id = GetActionInfo(actionId); assert(t == "spell", "Not a spell"); return GetSpellInfo(id); end |
| 18:43.42 | foxlit | [I left out book, which might not be a good idea] |
| 18:44.05 | nevcairiel | GetSpellName(id, "spell") is better anyway |
| 18:44.18 | nevcairiel | GetSpellInfo is absolute spell ids |
| 18:44.22 | nevcairiel | GetSpellName is spell-book ids |
| 18:44.43 | foxlit | Erm |
| 18:44.47 | foxlit | "absolute" spell ids? |
| 18:44.56 | Drundia | GetSpellName() works like on all |
| 18:45.21 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you heard of those spell-ids that are exposed to us since 2.4? =P |
| 18:45.35 | foxlit | I haven't had a reason to care |
| 18:45.51 | foxlit | GetSpellInfo(id, "spell") seems to work fine :) |
| 18:45.54 | Drundia | for absolute spell ids use GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("spell:"..spellId) |
| 18:46.10 | nevcairiel | why would i want tooltip parsing when i can use GetSpellInfo? |
| 18:46.20 | nevcairiel | maybe they overload GetSpellInfo *shrug |
| 18:47.17 | Drundia | hmm |
| 18:47.28 | Drundia | does GetSpellInfo work on absolute ids? |
| 18:47.31 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 18:48.13 | Drundia | oh it really does :) |
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| 18:55.34 | cncfanatics | GetSpellLink |
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| 19:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | HA |
| 19:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | MY BOOK |
| 19:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | IT IS HERE |
| 19:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's.... a big book |
| 19:39.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:40.23 | nevcairiel | Its good, i need a second big book to force my other programming books to stand, they're always tiping over =/ |
| 19:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly it isn't one of those 12 pound monsters |
| 19:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So it may not do that for you |
| 19:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's big |
| 19:42.12 | nevcairiel | I should just get one of those metall book stand helper thingy, no idea how you call those things in english :) |
| 19:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Bookstand ;) |
| 19:42.33 | nevcairiel | Hm that was too easy |
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| 19:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Strangely |
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| 19:44.30 | nevcairiel | Oh btw, if anyone cares to test it out, i just released Bartender4 for public testing -- http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=13258.0 -- http://files.wowace.com/Bartender4/Bartender4.zip -- any feedback would be appreciated |
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| 19:46.10 | haste | in b4 exploding bars |
| 19:46.14 | haste | with keyloggers! |
| 19:46.36 | nevcairiel | Yeah its using LibKeylogger, same version as in Omen2 reported earlier today |
| 19:46.38 | nevcairiel | *shrug |
| 19:46.46 | haste | :3 |
| 19:46.56 | haste | have an arrow for your post: Ć¢ĀĀ |
| 19:47.01 | haste | instead of the -> |
| 19:47.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:47.46 | nevcairiel | i cannot copy/paste it :( |
| 19:47.56 | haste | :< |
| 19:48.09 | nevcairiel | it displays fine, but when i copy/paste it, its all garbage |
| 19:49.30 | Tuller | lack of right click menus! |
| 19:50.01 | nevcairiel | lack of non-lazyness |
| 19:51.21 | duaiwe | in a post, use the html entity. :p |
| 19:51.33 | nevcairiel | cant post html entitys in crazy forums |
| 19:51.37 | nevcairiel | (whats it btw?) |
| 19:51.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ... why not? |
| 19:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, but google will tell you easily enough |
| 19:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no remotely good reason for any forum software to explicitly filter out html entities |
| 19:52.43 | Fisker- | you are stupid nevcairiel |
| 19:52.49 | NightHawkTheSane | doing so probably breaks all kinds of web standards |
| 19:52.51 | Fisker- | "1) I assume rotation of bars is planned within the upcoming alignment feature?" |
| 19:52.56 | Fisker- | Rotation of Bars? Like Vertical Bars? Just change the amount of Rows. 1 Row = Horizontal, 12 Rows = Vertical, anything in between = A cube! |
| 19:53.02 | Fisker- | OBVIOUSLY HE MEANS SPINNING BARS |
| 19:53.32 | Fisker- | i'd dig spinning bars |
| 19:53.44 | NightHawkTheSane | spinning bars would rock |
| 19:54.01 | NightHawkTheSane | cause i dont get enough whack-a-mole already. |
| 19:54.04 | Fisker- | especially in combat |
| 19:54.14 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: they still do :( &rarr; is what it ends up as :P |
| 19:54.20 | Fisker- | we want spinning bars in combat nevcairiel |
| 19:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: HAH.. thats the forum software having a shitty regex and trying to html-entityize the ampersand in the entity itself |
| 19:54.53 | Iriel | where yu have to bounce a ball into the buttons for the actions you wish to perform |
| 19:55.25 | Fisker- | nevcairiel |
| 19:55.28 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: That's only "shitty' if they intended to allow HTML entities in the first place |
| 19:55.29 | Fisker- | input box for scale |
| 19:55.32 | Fisker- | schnell |
| 19:55.36 | Fisker- | or however it's spelled |
| 19:55.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: yes, although as I said earlier, I dont see a remotely good reason not to |
| 19:55.50 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: click the text below the slider and start typing :) |
| 19:56.03 | Fisker- | awsum |
| 19:56.04 | Fisker- | also |
| 19:56.09 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.16 | Iriel | I dont generaally allow them unless my field is for entering HTML |
| 19:56.21 | nevcairiel | did you install ButtonFacade? |
| 19:56.38 | Fisker- | did you tell me to? |
| 19:56.39 | Fisker- | :( |
| 19:56.50 | Fisker- | ITS BEARDFACĆĀ© |
| 19:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the post field in a forum really ought to :P |
| 19:57.06 | Iriel | The problem is likely that they're not DECODING entities to their underlying characters |
| 19:57.27 | Iriel | and they're doing encode-on-display not encode-on-input |
| 19:57.39 | Iriel | (encode-on-display is the generally preferred approach anyway) |
| 19:58.01 | nevcairiel | I encode-on-input to save performance *shrug |
| 19:59.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Well in either case, if the user inputs their own html entity, it wouldn't matter when you're doing the encoding if whatever method you're using ends up encoding the leading ampersand |
| 20:00.25 | Fisker- | no snap-to-stuff? nevcairiel? |
| 20:00.51 | nevcairiel | Oh i just use htmlentities() in php .. i suppose i could turn off double-encode, not sure if anyone could break stuff with it, i suppose not |
| 20:00.53 | cncfanatics | does anyone know how slow GetAttribute is compared to a table lookup ? |
| 20:01.08 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: not yet |
| 20:01.30 | Iriel | cncfanatics: it's a method call so it's relatively quite slow |
| 20:01.49 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 20:01.50 | cncfanatics | wouldn't it do a table lookup internaly anyway ? |
| 20:01.56 | Iriel | cncfanatics: Though it should be unusual to care 8-) |
| 20:02.06 | cncfanatics | I'm thinking it does just that, lookup a value in a table ? :p |
| 20:02.17 | Iriel | cncfanatics: Well, the table is managed by C++, and it downcases the key |
| 20:02.20 | Fisker- | btw nevcairiel |
| 20:02.26 | Iriel | cncfanatics: If you need a table, use a table |
| 20:02.36 | Fisker- | do you provide support for buttonfacade or does buttonfacade provide support for bartender4? |
| 20:02.39 | cncfanatics | I don't, I'm just wondering wether its worth it to cache my GetAttribute calls into lua tables |
| 20:03.01 | Syzgyn | goddamnit... the reason my whole ajax script wasn't working is because IE doesnt take negative values in substring |
| 20:03.04 | Iriel | that depends on how often you query them and whether you'd be able to detect the change |
| 20:03.06 | Syzgyn | ~fail IE |
| 20:03.07 | purl | IE: FAIL! |
| 20:03.23 | Fisker- | ~fail Syzgyn |
| 20:03.23 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Syzgyn. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:03.31 | cncfanatics | Iriel: potentialy every frame |
| 20:03.50 | Syzgyn | Fisker~: I was wracking my brain because I thought it was an XML issue |
| 20:03.51 | cncfanatics | as my macro code currently does a GetModifiedAttribute call to figure out if there's a macro on a button (and update its texture if there is) |
| 20:04.30 | Iriel | I'd probably just throttle how often the code checks |
| 20:05.14 | Iriel | Syzgyn: Are you sure substring is SUPPOSED to support negative indices? |
| 20:06.59 | Iriel | Syzgyn: substr supports negative indices, substring does not |
| 20:09.00 | cncfanatics | Iriel: so, not worth caching at all then ? |
| 20:09.45 | Syzgyn | Irel: substr() takes negative indices, unless its in IE. Worked fine in opera and firefox |
| 20:10.52 | Syzgyn | its an easy fix, I'm just pissed it took me this long to find it... |
| 20:13.31 | Iriel | cncfanatics: As with most caching decisions, the right answer's going to depend on the exact scenario. You could test it, the issues with caching tend to be one of (a) the code becomes unmaintainably complex (b) it makes no measurable difference (or makes things worse) or (c) it ceases to be responsive enough because you dont know when to flush the cache |
| 20:15.56 | foxlit | Hrm, so I force wow's loading process with an infinite loop |
| 20:16.01 | foxlit | *froze |
| 20:16.10 | foxlit | Will server eventually disconnect me, or should I alt+f4? |
| 20:16.49 | cncfanatics | it will disconnect you eventualy |
| 20:17.44 | Iriel | but your client wont know |
| 20:17.53 | Iriel | so you need to ALT-F4 |
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| 20:39.53 | cncfanatics | wow, peeps are pugging ssc these days |
| 20:46.52 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:47.05 | Shirik | 80GB Hard Drive, 9.5mm, 5400 RPM [Included in Price] |
| 20:47.18 | cncfanatics | 80 gig hard drive ? |
| 20:47.20 | Shirik | 32GB Solid State Hard Drive, 2.5mm [add $631] |
| 20:47.25 | Kaso | haha |
| 20:47.32 | cncfanatics | what the fuck ? :o |
| 20:47.32 | Kaso | thats quite an increase in price |
| 20:47.34 | Shirik | 64GB Solid State Drive [add $1030] |
| 20:47.46 | cncfanatics | what exactly are solid state drives ? |
| 20:47.49 | cncfanatics | for being so expensive |
| 20:47.56 | Matrix110| | flash based drives |
| 20:47.59 | Shirik | basically flash |
| 20:48.03 | cncfanatics | ah heh |
| 20:48.11 | Matrix110| | atm buying them is like throwing money out of the window |
| 20:48.17 | Matrix110| | they offer basically NO advantage atm |
| 20:48.22 | Matrix110| | in the future they will |
| 20:48.23 | Shirik | I wouldn't say that |
| 20:48.26 | Matrix110| | but atm not |
| 20:48.27 | Shirik | they're very fast |
| 20:48.30 | Kaso | They used less power, and haver faster read times, |
| 20:48.33 | cncfanatics | in the future they'll get replaced by something else prolly |
| 20:48.33 | Kaso | use |
| 20:48.54 | cncfanatics | that article about the memristor someone here linked proved most intresting :p |
| 20:48.55 | nevcairiel | in future they will be replaced by memristor technology |
| 20:48.59 | Kaso | for certain server use the price can very much can be justified |
| 20:49.00 | Matrix110| | The Power use is not that much lower then from Notebook HDDs every test so far revealed |
| 20:49.03 | Shirik | what with HP's new technology I'm really anxious to see what they do to ... exactly cncfanatics / nevcairiel :) |
| 20:49.09 | Kaso | nevcairiel, i saw that today, it sounds freaking awesome |
| 20:49.23 | Matrix110| | Faster read times is not really true aswell a fast notebook HDD is faster :P |
| 20:49.33 | Shirik | That is completely wrong |
| 20:49.36 | cncfanatics | how can a hard disk be faster then flash ? :oi |
| 20:49.38 | Matrix110| | SSDs got problems with random access and fragmenting |
| 20:49.51 | Kaso | a hdd might beat flash on write, but not on read |
| 20:49.54 | Shirik | where the hell are you getting this information from |
| 20:50.07 | Matrix110| | from the most respected german pc mag:P |
| 20:50.08 | Shirik | they intentionally fragment the disk |
| 20:50.12 | Shirik | it's called write balancing |
| 20:50.14 | Shadowed | norgs: ping |
| 20:50.24 | Matrix110| | random seek times sometimes are upto 90ns |
| 20:50.46 | Shirik | I think whomever told you that is nuts. It's a matter of turning on two gates |
| 20:50.58 | cncfanatics | Matrix110|: any linky , |
| 20:50.59 | Shirik | besides, hard drive seek times are measured in milliseconds |
| 20:51.06 | Matrix110| | sorry meant ms |
| 20:51.17 | Shirik | there is no way that's true |
| 20:51.19 | Matrix110| | cncfanatics its printed |
| 20:51.33 | cncfanatics | there must be an online version |
| 20:51.34 | Shirik | if a flash based disk is taking 90ms to activate, something is horribly wrong |
| 20:51.44 | Matrix110| | well |
| 20:51.49 | Matrix110| | its not always like that |
| 20:51.50 | Corrodias | i'd want to agree with you, but... |
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| 20:51.58 | Matrix110| | it has "spikes" |
| 20:52.09 | Matrix110| | 90% are under 10ms |
| 20:52.12 | Corrodias | my experience so far with flash media is that it reads slowly |
| 20:52.12 | Shirik | it's a fricking AND gate |
| 20:52.16 | Shirik | brb |
| 20:52.42 | cncfanatics | so, basicly, in its spikes flash is as slow as a hard dish |
| 20:52.53 | cncfanatics | but its faster 90% of the time |
| 20:52.58 | Matrix110| | iam familiar with how SSDs work in THEORY they are great and in the future they will be great, but ATM they arent ready for general consumer use |
| 20:53.16 | cncfanatics | I doubt SSDs have a future Matrix110| |
| 20:54.15 | Matrix110| | Hybrid disc would be imho the best for Desktops atleast |
| 20:54.24 | Matrix110| | but they fail atm with their tiny caches |
| 20:56.36 | Shirik | cncfanatics, I wouldn't say that |
| 20:57.01 | Shirik | though I should point out HP's new technology and their crossbar latches are the future for memory storage, but that's still a solid state drive ;) |
| 20:57.29 | cncfanatics | true, I ment flash based solutions |
| 20:58.16 | Shirik | and now I must leave you be |
| 20:58.17 | Shirik | have fun! |
| 20:58.29 | Tuller | grumble grumble grumble pvp icon does not play well with font string textures |
| 21:01.05 | Tuller | pvp currency works, at least |
| 21:02.28 | dylanm | Tuller: How so? |
| 21:02.49 | Tuller | well essentially its because the texture is not cutoff nicely |
| 21:03.02 | Tuller | ie, would have to use some settextcoord magic |
| 21:03.12 | Shadowed | Tuller: Trying to embed it into chat? |
| 21:03.20 | Tuller | nope :P |
| 21:03.39 | Tuller | but into a fontstring for probably a unitframe |
| 21:03.45 | Shadowed | close enough! |
| 21:04.02 | Shadowed | Are you trying to embed the shield icon for the faction? |
| 21:04.13 | Shadowed | err, faction shield icon |
| 21:04.22 | Tuller | yeah |
| 21:04.46 | Shadowed | hrm, have you looked at the texture Blizzard uses for world state ui? that might be a single one |
| 21:05.26 | Tuller | looking at a bunch of them |
| 21:05.52 | Tuller | tabard icon isn't that bad |
| 21:07.02 | pastamancer | "Interface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-PVP-"..UnitFactionGroup(unitid) is the one that doesn't embed nicely? |
| 21:07.21 | nevcairiel | Tuller: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/aaa6295d9c8a3e47b6041442f32178b0.jpg .. Mapster doesnt play nice with Combuctor :D |
| 21:07.40 | dylanm | STRATAHHHH |
| 21:08.56 | Shirik|AFK | this is stratah? |
| 21:09.19 | foxlit | /cast [outdoor] Travel Form? /cast [notindoor] Travel Form? |
| 21:09.34 | nevcairiel | outdoors |
| 21:09.37 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 21:09.56 | foxlit | The sticky supports you :) |
| 21:10.04 | Tuller | so you're saying that mapster is high or dialog? |
| 21:10.43 | nevcairiel | Mapster is HIGH, yea :) |
| 21:10.58 | nevcairiel | You should do SetToplevel on Combuctor too |
| 21:11.30 | Tuller | but combuctor should be below mapster :P |
| 21:11.40 | Tuller | I require another frame strata :p |
| 21:11.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:11.51 | Shirik|AFK | shouldn't frame levels resolve that? |
| 21:12.04 | nevcairiel | It might still be useful to have Combuctor above Mapster if i want that |
| 21:12.17 | nevcairiel | aka, SetToplevel .. i click Combuctor and it raises itself above Mapster :) |
| 21:12.28 | dylanm | Needs a window manager. |
| 21:12.30 | dylanm | :p |
| 21:12.42 | Shirik|AFK | the problem is there are so many addons out there that don't care about where they are |
| 21:12.49 | Shirik|AFK | when people design them, all they think about is how that one addon looks |
| 21:12.51 | Tuller | my mapster is below combuctor :P |
| 21:12.57 | Shirik|AFK | not how two will look together when they're on top of each other |
| 21:13.08 | Tuller | everything except unitportrait, rather |
| 21:13.37 | nevcairiel | Mapster is on HIGH strata, but i suppose a pretty low level |
| 21:13.56 | nevcairiel | since i dont change that |
| 21:13.58 | nevcairiel | at all |
| 21:14.46 | nevcairiel | Anyway, i request SetToplevel on Combuctor :P |
| 21:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: cladhaire: Kaelten: nice book :) |
| 21:15.36 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 21:15.46 | cladhaire | hope i helps! |
| 21:15.49 | cladhaire | it, rather |
| 21:15.53 | Tuller | done |
| 21:16.02 | Shirik|AFK | !api GetItemInfo |
| 21:16.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetItemInfo' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 21:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm interested in the XML frames. I read the first ~130 pages of it, all lua, and learned nothing new - but that was to be expected. That said, so far, it's very well done |
| 21:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | So thank you ;) |
| 21:16.30 | cladhaire | Shirik|AFK: i dont have it working for wow api yet |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik|AFK | but WoWLuaircBot does |
| 21:16.44 | nevcairiel | ah thats how windows are supposed to behave, SetToplevel is love :) |
| 21:16.50 | Shirik|AFK | you just both happen to use the same trigger |
| 21:17.36 | cladhaire | heh |
| 21:21.26 | Xinhuan | was someone discussing about me a few hours ago? :) |
| 21:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: your titles made Polarina dizzy, that's about it |
| 21:21.55 | zenzelezz | they were using your armory link for something |
| 21:22.53 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 21:23.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: but a question! That screenshot you show, which has the optimized herbing routes layed out - that addon public anywhere? |
| 21:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to pull, you know, 230897529875 Nightmare Vine out of SMV |
| 21:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And every bit helps |
| 21:23.50 | Xinhuan | since when do i have such an addon |
| 21:24.05 | Matrix110| | on my server doing dailies or grinding is and buying the herbs is better than actually herbing them :;D |
| 21:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | No addon? :( |
| 21:24.19 | dylanm | Wait is he being funny or no |
| 21:24.26 | Xinhuan | you mean polarina's O(n+n^2) algorithm? hehe |
| 21:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh I have no idea, but it was always a screenshot of you + routes to nearest herbs spanning the zone |
| 21:24.55 | ckknight | O(n + n^2) = O(n^2) |
| 21:25.17 | foxlit | o(n + n^2), np |
| 21:25.34 | cladhaire | funny thing about asymtotic notation |
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| 21:25.56 | Xinhuan | http://www.2and2.net/files/481b5d1cdb5b7.jpg |
| 21:26.02 | Xinhuan | i just looked at the SS lolz |
| 21:26.13 | nevcairiel | yeah the algorithm is so super effective 0P |
| 21:26.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah not that :) |
| 21:26.24 | Xinhuan | seems like the algorithm just took a point, and rearranged all the points in a circle around that point |
| 21:26.37 | nevcairiel | it saves a few seconds in time and spends a few minutes on your time on travelling routes =P |
| 21:26.43 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: Routes on wowace |
| 21:26.51 | Xinhuan | so its theorteically quicksort, or O(n log n) |
| 21:27.02 | Xinhuan | its not my SS ;p |
| 21:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: gogogoing! thanks |
| 21:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 21:27.11 | foxlit | or interlace JPEGs, dammit! |
| 21:27.18 | Xinhuan | its made by Polarina, pfft |
| 21:27.22 | art3mis | i think it should be a rule |
| 21:27.30 | nevcairiel | or faster servers! |
| 21:27.35 | Xinhuan | so why does he say its O(n^2) when its O(n log n) |
| 21:27.38 | nevcairiel | that .jpg is probably 200kb or something |
| 21:27.38 | foxlit | but meh, naively: contract edges with small weight |
| 21:27.45 | art3mis | if the pic is alrger than 200k it automatically gets rezied to a 128x128 animated meatspin gif |
| 21:27.46 | nevcairiel | and still damn slow |
| 21:27.57 | Xinhuan | its 1.7 mb jpg |
| 21:28.01 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 21:28.02 | Xinhuan | i bet he just SSed it |
| 21:28.08 | Xinhuan | in full quality in wow |
| 21:28.11 | nevcairiel | how do you take a 1.7mb screenshot |
| 21:28.20 | art3mis | irfranview dammuit! |
| 21:28.53 | nevcairiel | my wow screenshots are 500kb |
| 21:28.58 | nevcairiel | and they dont look worse o.O |
| 21:29.54 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: the screenshot i took for tuller earlier showed the real Routes algorithm .. :) http://images.gammatester.com/pics/aaa6295d9c8a3e47b6041442f32178b0.jpg |
| 21:30.09 | cladhaire | is polarina here? |
| 21:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: that's what I'm looking for :) |
| 21:30.19 | dylanm | He's in the room. |
| 21:30.25 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: deps on cartographer + gatherer I take it? |
| 21:30.34 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: Mapster + GatherMate |
| 21:30.37 | nevcairiel | dont insult me :P |
| 21:30.45 | Xinhuan | actually, the only deps Routes have, is the Ace3 libraries |
| 21:30.49 | cladhaire | just didn't know if he's talking |
| 21:30.57 | cladhaire | and if i accidentally (lol) ignored him |
| 21:31.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: haha, I've honestly never heard of either. As long as I can import the wowhead herb DB into gathermate I'm happy :P |
| 21:31.08 | dylanm | Ohhh. |
| 21:31.17 | Xinhuan | Routes will use data from any of Cartographer/Gathermate/Gatherer |
| 21:31.19 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: i think it works with Gatherer too |
| 21:31.20 | Xinhuan | so use whatever u want |
| 21:31.33 | Xinhuan | Routes will also work with any map mod |
| 21:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: 'k, cool. I'll still poke with GatherMate though, anything that lags less would be nice |
| 21:31.43 | Xinhuan | or the lack of of a map mod |
| 21:32.02 | Xinhuan | my choice is clearly gathermate + routes, since i wrote both ^^ |
| 21:32.07 | Xinhuan | hey cladhaire, got an update for me? |
| 21:32.09 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:32.09 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: GatherMate + GatherMate_Data is all you need then :) |
| 21:32.15 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: that's a win! |
| 21:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: well and Routes I take it |
| 21:32.26 | nevcairiel | true :P |
| 21:32.42 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: no, i'm sorry |
| 21:32.45 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 21:33.00 | nevcairiel | clad is awfully busy with the new website, dont expect too much other stuff ;) |
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| 21:33.27 | Xinhuan | its a weekend though hehe |
| 21:33.36 | cladhaire | hah |
| 21:33.39 | cladhaire | what's that supposed to mean |
| 21:33.43 | cladhaire | i'm also busy with that whole "life" thing :P |
| 21:33.47 | cladhaire | the website got lots of love today |
| 21:33.54 | cladhaire | need to get more done tho |
| 21:33.56 | Xinhuan | what's life? |
| 21:34.02 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 21:35.04 | dylanm | Tuller: The tooltip for Combuctor should probably tell you to Alt-Rightclick rather than Rightclick to reset the position. |
| 21:35.11 | cladhaire | i think what you want is easy |
| 21:35.35 | Xinhuan | it should be, its mostly just copy/pasting :) |
| 21:36.03 | Xinhuan | you can download Routes to test with TomTom |
| 21:36.19 | Xinhuan | just uncomment the "do return end" block at the very top of the TomTom.lua file |
| 21:36.43 | cladhaire | what api are you expecting again? |
| 21:37.09 | Xinhuan | [5/2 06:59:27] <cladhaire> i guess the alternative is |
| 21:37.09 | Xinhuan | [5/2 06:59:40] <cladhaire> to add a TomTom:SetCustomWaypoint(c,z,x,y,callback,minimap,world) |
| 21:37.09 | Xinhuan | [5/2 06:59:43] <cladhaire> that adds it to the TomTOm frontend |
| 21:37.25 | Xinhuan | [5/2 06:59:47] <cladhaire> but with custom callbacks |
| 21:37.36 | cladhaire | it requires changes to the stored waypoint info too |
| 21:37.50 | Xinhuan | so, just 2 extra public API, one to add, one to remove |
| 21:37.59 | Xinhuan | so that the frontend crazyarrow menu items doesn't choke |
| 21:38.18 | cladhaire | there already is one to remove |
| 21:38.32 | Xinhuan | also i could then just check for the existance of those new API, so that it won't choke on older versions of TomTom |
| 21:38.46 | Xinhuan | since TomTom.version isn't reliable for those with directly SVN access |
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| 21:39.18 | Xinhuan | note that your "beta download" on wowi is still up |
| 21:39.23 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:39.25 | cladhaire | its an old beta |
| 21:39.25 | Xinhuan | its an older revision than the actual file |
| 21:39.28 | cladhaire | i dont really plan to remove it |
| 21:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: how do I drag the taboo regions? |
| 21:39.37 | Xinhuan | ScytheBlade1... you drag the dots |
| 21:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: I have no dots! |
| 21:39.51 | Xinhuan | go to the taboo and click edit |
| 21:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Done |
| 21:40.01 | Xinhuan | then open map |
| 21:40.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I have an (almost) right angle triangle on screen |
| 21:40.10 | Xinhuan | yeah that's the default |
| 21:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | With no dots on the corners |
| 21:40.17 | Tuller | http://s3.amazonaws.com/sbkt/pictures/8166/muffins.png |
| 21:40.17 | Xinhuan | you should see 3 dots in the corners of the triangle |
| 21:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I do not |
| 21:40.24 | Tuller | meh :P |
| 21:40.27 | Xinhuan | then you have an interfering addon ;p |
| 21:40.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I turned off Cartographer |
| 21:40.40 | dylanm | Tuller: Sage? |
| 21:40.46 | Xinhuan | my dots are parented to WorldMapButton just like any other icons |
| 21:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm maybe I didn't |
| 21:40.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me check |
| 21:40.50 | Tuller | nothing at the moment, actualy |
| 21:40.56 | Xinhuan | it should work with cartographer though |
| 21:40.57 | Tuller | just a "dick around with icons" lua file |
| 21:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually run a very small selection of addons |
| 21:41.17 | Xinhuan | the dots look like "party members" green dot |
| 21:41.29 | Xinhuan | they change color on mouseover and stuff |
| 21:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I've seen the screenshots that you've pasted. None here, and not the corners aren't clickable either |
| 21:42.03 | Xinhuan | you're going to have to make it look like that: http://grum.nl/WoWScrnShot_020908_125251.jpg |
| 21:42.18 | Xinhuan | and yes, that is Cartographer |
| 21:42.31 | nevcairiel | where is grum anyway? |
| 21:42.35 | Xinhuan | no clue |
| 21:42.42 | Xinhuan | he's disappeared off the surface of earth |
| 21:43.18 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: do you want to test this for me quick? |
| 21:43.23 | Xinhuan | sure |
| 21:43.33 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:43.33 | cladhaire | http://pastey.net/87148 |
| 21:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: yeah, weird. Broke with Mapster. |
| 21:43.51 | Xinhuan | it works with mapster too, considering i use mapster now ;p |
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| 21:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I just grabbed both routes and mapster from files.wowace.com, and no go |
| 21:44.22 | Xinhuan | lol cladhaire, are you sure its that simple? |
| 21:44.32 | cladhaire | i dont see _any_ reason why not |
| 21:44.32 | cladhaire | well |
| 21:44.34 | cladhaire | make that |
| 21:44.39 | cladhaire | return self:AddZWaypoint... |
| 21:44.42 | cladhaire | so you get the uid back |
| 21:46.09 | Xinhuan | appears i need to modify your |
| 21:46.09 | Xinhuan | function TomTom:AddZWaypoint(c, z, x, y, desc, persistent, minimap, world) |
| 21:46.17 | Xinhuan | to accept callbacks on the last agrument |
| 21:46.19 | nevcairiel | heh Xinhuan, maybe my latest change broke the taboo handles |
| 21:46.21 | cladhaire | oh yes |
| 21:46.22 | nevcairiel | i dont see them either |
| 21:46.23 | cladhaire | my mistake |
| 21:46.25 | cladhaire | let me paste all of that |
| 21:46.26 | nevcairiel | what do you parent them to? |
| 21:46.26 | cladhaire | sorry |
| 21:46.31 | Xinhuan | and do callbacks = callbacks or {my huge table} |
| 21:46.44 | cladhaire | http://pastey.net/87149 |
| 21:46.48 | cladhaire | that's what i would commit |
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| 21:47.11 | Xinhuan | callbacks = callbacks or {my huge table} <-- isn't this faster |
| 21:47.29 | Xinhuan | anyway, checking |
| 21:47.45 | cladhaire | i dont like that |
| 21:47.49 | cladhaire | especially for large defaults like that |
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| 21:48.53 | Xinhuan | what have you done nevcairiel, to mapster :o |
| 21:49.05 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: SetToplevel on the map frame :P |
| 21:49.14 | Xinhuan | WorldMapFrame? |
| 21:49.28 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 21:49.56 | nevcairiel | everything else shows though |
| 21:50.05 | nevcairiel | i guess the taboo handles have wrong parents :D |
| 21:50.51 | Xinhuan | node = CreateFrame( "Button", "RoutesTabooNodePin"..taboo_node_count, RoutesTabooFrame ) |
| 21:50.59 | Xinhuan | my taboo pins are parented to RoutesTabooFrame |
| 21:51.09 | nevcairiel | And where is that frame at? |
| 21:51.13 | Xinhuan | local RoutesTabooFrame = CreateFrame("Frame", "RoutesTabooFrame", WorldMapButton) |
| 21:51.14 | Xinhuan | RoutesTabooFrame:SetAllPoints(WorldMapButton) |
| 21:51.14 | nevcairiel | I did a devtools framestack |
| 21:51.19 | nevcairiel | they are somewhere below my frame |
| 21:51.20 | Xinhuan | parented to WorldMapButton |
| 21:51.48 | Xinhuan | i use my own frame because i do a lot of line drawing |
| 21:51.52 | Xinhuan | to shade the regions |
| 21:51.59 | Xinhuan | and i dont' want it actually done on the worldmapbutton itself |
| 21:52.10 | Xinhuan | lots of CreateTexture() |
| 21:52.37 | Xinhuan | "RoutesTabooFrame" should be a global |
| 21:52.43 | Xinhuan | you should be able to walk its parents |
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| 21:53.14 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 21:53.19 | nevcairiel | the taboo frame has the right frame level |
| 21:53.28 | nevcairiel | the pin handles have not, however |
| 21:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: epic. win. |
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| 21:54.23 | Xinhuan | node:SetFrameLevel( 6 ) |
| 21:54.28 | Xinhuan | the pins are specifically set at 6 |
| 21:54.40 | Xinhuan | but SetTopLevel should have changed their levels anyway? |
| 21:54.58 | nevcairiel | if you set them afterwards, then not |
| 21:55.05 | nevcairiel | do it relative |
| 21:55.05 | Xinhuan | yeah they are created on demand |
| 21:55.07 | nevcairiel | to some other frame |
| 21:55.22 | Xinhuan | i only chose 6 because GatherMatePins are specifically set at 5 |
| 21:55.24 | nevcairiel | like RoutesTabooFrame:GetFrameLevel() + 5 or whatever |
| 21:55.28 | Xinhuan | i need them to be higher |
| 21:55.48 | Xinhuan | go check gathermate code, it hardcodes them to 5 :o |
| 21:56.05 | nevcairiel | The Pins end up at 5 higher then WorldMapButton |
| 21:56.15 | nevcairiel | for some reason |
| 21:56.22 | Xinhuan | so why doesn't my pins change? |
| 21:56.36 | nevcairiel | no idea :D |
| 21:56.45 | Xinhuan | my pin code is directly ripped off gathermate's fyi ;p |
| 21:56.59 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: worldmapFrameLevel = WorldMapButton:GetFrameLevel() + 5 |
| 21:57.02 | nevcairiel | in GatherMate btw |
| 21:57.13 | Xinhuan | oh great, i remember writing that |
| 21:57.43 | nevcairiel | do that to routes, and all is good again :) |
| 21:58.22 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: that code is ready to commit, let me know if it works out. |
| 21:58.27 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 21:58.35 | Xinhuan | i think i need to divide my coords by 100 with that? |
| 21:58.40 | Xinhuan | or multiply them by 100 |
| 21:59.00 | cladhaire | multiply |
| 21:59.01 | Xinhuan | yep apparently i do |
| 21:59.02 | cladhaire | they need to be 0-100 |
| 21:59.08 | cladhaire | i can fix that |
| 21:59.10 | cladhaire | if you'd like :P |
| 21:59.13 | cladhaire | and make the function do it |
| 21:59.25 | Xinhuan | doesn't really matter |
| 21:59.26 | cladhaire | but all of the public interface takes 0-100 afaik |
| 22:00.06 | Xinhuan | none of astrolabe's interface uses 0-100 ;p |
| 22:00.16 | cladhaire | correct |
| 22:00.23 | cladhaire | i dont expose astrolabe at all |
| 22:00.58 | Xinhuan | so nevcairiel, that means i need a WORLD_MAP_UPDATE trigger to fix my framelevels shit? |
| 22:01.09 | nevcairiel | what? nah |
| 22:01.14 | nevcairiel | only do that on create |
| 22:01.36 | nevcairiel | Or hm |
| 22:01.43 | nevcairiel | your taboo edit region is weird anyway |
| 22:01.49 | nevcairiel | i changed my map zone when it was still active |
| 22:01.50 | Xinhuan | so change node:SetFrameLevel( 6 ) to node:SetFrameLevel( RoutesTabooFrame:GetFrameLevel() + 6 ) ? |
| 22:01.53 | nevcairiel | and it didnt vanish |
| 22:02.10 | Xinhuan | yeah it doesn't, its on a different frame |
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| 22:02.10 | Xinhuan | its mainly to prevent misclicks |
| 22:02.13 | Xinhuan | its easy to misclick and miss the button |
| 22:02.17 | Xinhuan | and zone somewhere else |
| 22:03.41 | Xinhuan | hmm still checking cladhaire, i forgot to change to the public clearwaypoint api as well |
| 22:03.52 | cladhaire | oh |
| 22:03.56 | cladhaire | its not clear |
| 22:03.57 | cladhaire | its remove |
| 22:04.00 | cladhaire | but okay |
| 22:04.52 | Xinhuan | yeah, i only changed the adding api, not the remove one, so it looked weird |
| 22:05.49 | Xinhuan | seems fine, no errors |
| 22:06.31 | cladhaire | okay, it'll go in the next push |
| 22:06.39 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, does changing the thing work? |
| 22:07.42 | nevcairiel | I dont even know where |
| 22:07.53 | Xinhuan | line 2328 |
| 22:08.06 | Xinhuan | change 6 to RoutesTabooFrame:GetFrameLevel() + 6 |
| 22:08.13 | Xinhuan | i don't know if that's sufficient |
| 22:09.07 | cladhaire | okay i'm going to bed |
| 22:09.10 | nevcairiel | sec, testing |
| 22:09.17 | Xinhuan | /wave clad|sleep :) |
| 22:09.21 | clad|sleep | night |
| 22:10.13 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: yes works |
| 22:10.15 | Xinhuan | framelevels suck :( |
| 22:10.31 | nevcairiel | absolute framelevel sucks |
| 22:10.37 | nevcairiel | just do it relative! :) |
| 22:11.40 | Xinhuan | wasn't expecting anyone to settoplevels on mapframes ;d |
| 22:12.02 | nevcairiel | its kinda useful |
| 22:18.43 | foxlit | Question: how does one translate BUTTON3 into "Middle Mouse"? |
| 22:19.10 | foxlit | [I'll start looking it up; just wondering if anyone already encountered that] |
| 22:19.55 | zenzelezz | does the guild tabard on the Armory's guild tab use the correct border (the same as the actual tabard)? |
| 22:20.06 | cncfanatics | foxlit: |
| 22:20.10 | cncfanatics | one sec, I do that in my code |
| 22:21.36 | Xinhuan | ScytheBlade1, i've commited a fix for Routes to work with Mapster |
| 22:21.47 | Xinhuan | may take a while to propagate to files.wowace.com though |
| 22:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: nice, I might switch back and give it a shot |
| 22:21.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I know |
| 22:22.04 | Xinhuan | you can fix it on your end temporarily |
| 22:22.11 | cncfanatics | foxlit: |
| 22:22.19 | Xinhuan | just change line 2328 in Routes.lua to |
| 22:22.20 | Xinhuan | node:SetFrameLevel( RoutesTabooFrame:GetFrameLevel() + 6 ) |
| 22:22.34 | cncfanatics | _G["KEY_" .. "BUTTON3"]; |
| 22:22.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: hmm k |
| 22:23.08 | cncfanatics | basicly _G["KEY_" .. KEYID] contains the key's translation |
| 22:23.14 | foxlit | cncfanatics: thanks :) |
| 22:23.22 | cncfanatics | np |
| 22:23.29 | cncfanatics | I'm not 100% sure btw, but nearly :p |
| 22:23.30 | foxlit | "Right Mouse Button" means I'm going to need bigger buttons :( |
| 22:23.45 | foxlit | I did a few /dumps to check it, you're generally right :) |
| 22:24.25 | Xinhuan | hmm taboo region code is only 700 lines lol |
| 22:24.38 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 22:24.42 | Xinhuan | of which about 200 is for the config screen |
| 22:24.47 | cncfanatics | I strip off everything but the first letter of every word for me |
| 22:24.53 | cncfanatics | I also strip off Button off the end |
| 22:25.00 | cncfanatics | meaning Right Mouse Button ends up as RM |
| 22:25.04 | cncfanatics | and Middle Mouse as MM |
| 22:25.44 | foxlit | Pray a language that puts the noun first doesn't exist :) |
| 22:26.22 | ckknight | like French? |
| 22:26.43 | Cairenn | ~ugt |
| 22:26.44 | purl | hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 22:26.58 | ckknight | Cairenn: what was that for? |
| 22:27.13 | Cairenn | showing it to someone |
| 22:27.34 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:27.42 | ckknight | had no context :-P |
| 22:27.49 | Cairenn | I know |
| 22:27.50 | cncfanatics | foxlit: if a language does that it just won't strip off anything, but it'll still shorten |
| 22:27.55 | cncfanatics | so it looks ok in all |
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| 22:28.17 | Adys | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/282947213/holy-shit-macgyver-blockbuster-film-coming |
| 22:28.17 | foxlit | You have a magic way of determining what word means button? :) |
| 22:28.21 | zenzelezz | hrm, someone remind me, does the lower part of tabards get hidden by robe-type armor? |
| 22:28.31 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 22:28.36 | foxlit | okay. |
| 22:29.00 | cncfanatics | I only strip it off for english |
| 22:29.15 | cncfanatics | I might supply different rules for shortening those things ofr diff languages in the future |
| 22:29.16 | cncfanatics | but not no |
| 22:29.19 | cncfanatics | now* |
| 22:30.13 | mikma | anyone here using linux atm? |
| 22:30.53 | zenzelezz | sort of |
| 22:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Like a good 1/3 of the channel is, yes |
| 22:31.06 | cncfanatics | I am mikma |
| 22:31.14 | cncfanatics | hehe ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:31.23 | zenzelezz | wait, cncfanatics is mikma? |
| 22:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 22:31.37 | cncfanatics | YESH |
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| 22:32.40 | mikma | cncfanatics: can you open up a new terminal, start 'cat' and press F2 and tell Ćme what does it ay? |
| 22:32.54 | cncfanatics | ^[OQ |
| 22:33.01 | zenzelezz | ^[[12~ on mine |
| 22:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I too have the QQ |
| 22:33.18 | mikma | thanks both! |
| 22:33.24 | zenzelezz | might be locale |
| 22:33.25 | cncfanatics | why you need that mikma ? |
| 22:33.38 | mikma | quickbinds for irssi |
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| 22:34.00 | mikma | i know that ^[OP is F1 =) |
| 22:38.21 | mikma | heh, f1 is now previous window and f2 is next window |
| 22:38.55 | mikma | now i can skip the windows with toujchscreen... lazy |
| 22:41.55 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Quicksort is O(n^2) in the worst case, and averages O(n log n) |
| 22:42.50 | nevcairiel | so it is a puny quicksort? =P |
| 22:42.53 | cncfanatics | Polarina: what does that actualy mean in english ? :o |
| 22:43.00 | Xinhuan | well we should consider the average ;p |
| 22:43.03 | Xinhuan | not the upper bound |
| 22:43.53 | Polarina | Xinhuan: So, it's O(n + n log n) |
| 22:44.39 | foxlit | why n? |
| 22:44.59 | Polarina | foxlit: Because we don't want to use ĆĀ¶ ? |
| 22:45.05 | nevcairiel | You dont use + statements in O syntax |
| 22:45.18 | Polarina | nevcairiel: How else can I represent it then? |
| 22:45.35 | foxlit | You don't |
| 22:45.36 | zenzelezz | anyone remember what "the" druid healer "weapon" was at Naxxramas time? |
| 22:45.50 | foxlit | Atiesh! |
| 22:45.52 | Lopeppeppy | Something from splinters. |
| 22:46.15 | nevcairiel | I loved my candle-light staff |
| 22:46.33 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: name? |
| 22:46.38 | nevcairiel | er |
| 22:46.39 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 22:46.43 | nevcairiel | thaddius dropped it |
| 22:46.44 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:46.58 | nevcairiel | Spire of Twilight |
| 22:47.17 | zenzelezz | thanks |
| 22:47.19 | nevcairiel | The Mace off C'thun or Kel'thuzad was nice too |
| 22:47.50 | nevcairiel | But we didnt defeat kelthuzad, and cthun never dropped the freakign mace once |
| 22:48.10 | zenzelezz | Atiesh seems to be the best looking for my purposes, thanks for the tips |
| 22:49.22 | Polarina | Xinhuan: And that algorithm generates no crossing lines. At least it isn't as messy the typical route from an unoptimised one. |
| 22:49.52 | Polarina | s/typical route from an unoptimised one./unoptimised route./ |
| 22:49.59 | Xinhuan | i think there are better implementations that doesn't generate crossing lines ;p |
| 22:50.09 | Xinhuan | and are still within O(n^2) |
| 22:50.46 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Sure there are. But I invented that algorithm shown on the screenshot. |
| 22:51.57 | Xinhuan | i don't want to give the illusion that the initial route is anywhere near optimal ;p |
| 22:52.13 | foxlit | Hrm, ouch |
| 22:52.22 | foxlit | UIOptionsFrame eats any errors that might be generated by save handlers? |
| 22:52.35 | Xinhuan | sounds like a pcall() issue |
| 22:52.57 | foxlit | It's evil, though: I have some rather nice assert()s I want to see :( |
| 22:52.58 | Polarina | Xinhuan: So, my algorithm doesn't give that illusion, ether. :) |
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| 22:54.10 | Polarina | But mine guarantees a optimal route for up to 5 nodes! |
| 22:54.39 | Xinhuan | how do you determine the "center point" |
| 22:54.47 | Xinhuan | just a centroid average of all nodes? |
| 22:55.16 | Polarina | Xinhuan: http://rafb.net/p/lDqmBd70.html |
| 22:56.21 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 22:56.58 | Polarina | Xinhuan: What? |
| 22:57.30 | Xinhuan | nothing, just surprised that its only 20 lines, and not 49 |
| 22:57.34 | Xinhuan | 40* |
| 22:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: anything really weird route generations - should I screenshot and send to you? |
| 22:58.16 | Xinhuan | sure ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I just made a route for Nagrand, and it's great, with one really weird detail |
| 22:58.24 | Xinhuan | shoot |
| 22:58.24 | Polarina | Xinhuan: You can shorten it a bit more if I followed your coding styles. |
| 22:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Screenshot in a sec |
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| 22:59.25 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: Unprune Xinhuan's implementation and try to reproduce. |
| 22:59.47 | Xinhuan | /chuckle |
| 23:00.00 | Xinhuan | yeah the algorithm is heavily pruned so it doesn't take 10x as long |
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| 23:00.21 | Xinhuan | if you get criss-crossing, its because of the pruning |
| 23:00.33 | Xinhuan | that didn't catch it |
| 23:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4/routes-wtf-nagrand.jpg |
| 23:01.20 | Xinhuan | do you have a taboo region attached |
| 23:01.22 | Xinhuan | to that |
| 23:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 23:01.35 | Xinhuan | just reoptimize it? :) |
| 23:01.36 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Deprune the algorithm! |
| 23:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I can try, sure. Sec |
| 23:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm doing foreground optimization without the extra |
| 23:01.57 | Xinhuan | the algorithm is based on a few ten thousand random numbers |
| 23:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:02.11 | Xinhuan | so every "optimization run" can produce a better result than the previous run |
| 23:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Good to know ;) |
| 23:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | The real question, is if it can produce a worse result ;) |
| 23:02.27 | Xinhuan | its the same algorithm btw, as in carto ;p |
| 23:02.36 | Xinhuan | it can't, i check the distance with the previous known distance |
| 23:02.47 | Xinhuan | if the old one is shorter, i just don't change anything |
| 23:02.57 | foxlit | I'm only slightly disappointed; I expected an algorithm based on then thousand monkeys typing at typewriters :( |
| 23:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, that oddity disappeared, but two new ones popped up |
| 23:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Optimize again! |
| 23:03.21 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: The unprunned version has generated a worse result. Where the total length is shorter by improving the top part of the route and heavily "deoptimise" the bottom part. |
| 23:04.42 | Xinhuan | you must be pretty unlucky |
| 23:04.51 | Polarina | Xinhuan: It happens quiet often. |
| 23:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Up to four and it's still doing weird things |
| 23:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily I think the two nodes in question don't exist (gogo bad data) |
| 23:05.12 | ScytheBlade1 | So I just deleted them and called it good :P |
| 23:05.14 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: Send me your saved variable file and I can optimise all your routes for you. |
| 23:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: no worries, it's working well enough now :) |
| 23:06.00 | Polarina | Damn! |
| 23:08.30 | Xinhuan | ya whats up with wowhead these days |
| 23:08.33 | Xinhuan | tons of invalid nodes |
| 23:08.45 | Polarina | Xinhuan: It's unreliable. |
| 23:08.56 | Lopeppeppy | GIGO |
| 23:10.01 | Xinhuan | i should go back and tweak the algo i guess |
| 23:10.21 | Polarina | Xinhuan: And less pruning, please. |
| 23:10.51 | Tuller | Tekkub: fact: he's still getting the same sellfish error :) |
| 23:13.40 | Xinhuan | i'll go tweak some variables and stuff |
| 23:13.48 | Xinhuan | i think the weight bias is probably too high |
| 23:13.56 | Industrial | if I do castsequence reset=10 blah, blah, nil |
| 23:14.02 | Industrial | will it reset after 10 to blah? |
| 23:14.16 | Industrial | i wanna be able to mash it |
| 23:15.05 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 23:15.06 | Gotai | Castsequences don't work like that |
| 23:15.12 | Gotai | Timer resets every execution |
| 23:15.14 | Xinhuan | cast sequences can never be mashed |
| 23:15.47 | foxlit | You need to get a bit more complicated before you can mash things |
| 23:15.57 | foxlit | stateheaders with timeouts generally let you mash things |
| 23:16.21 | foxlit | Didn't cog have an addon? |
| 23:16.25 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Weight bias? |
| 23:16.54 | Xinhuan | probabily an ant chooses a nearer node compared to a node with a higher pheromone trail level |
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| 23:17.11 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Ah... |
| 23:17.57 | Xinhuan | the presence of fringe nodes throws the algo off |
| 23:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So like, I'm not sure how I'll ever be able to herb without this again |
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| 23:19.31 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Have you considered a better pseudo-random number generator with an extreme distribution? |
| 23:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | I've never been successful at getting it to work. I am full of Route-Fu-Fail. |
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| 23:21.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: The in-built one sucks so much. No words can even describe how much it sucks! |
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| 23:21.50 | Xinhuan | need help? :D |
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| 23:22.34 | Xinhuan | [2008/05/04 07:22:39-6645-x1]: Routes-1.0\TSP.lua:336: memory allocation error: block too big |
| 23:22.35 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 23:23.02 | Xinhuan | the line in question is: |
| 23:23.03 | Xinhuan | weight[v] = weight[u] |
| 23:23.49 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Infinite loops? |
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| 23:24.01 | Atriace | How do you save individual table entries apart from the main table using SavedVariables? I expected doing table[key] would work, but nothing gets saved unless I just type table. |
| 23:24.01 | Xinhuan | no, it seems to be some new blizzard error that is cropping up |
| 23:24.11 | Xinhuan | to do with memory allocation errors |
| 23:24.17 | Kaso | yah ive heard people moaning about that before |
| 23:24.24 | Unregistered | which cosmos do i download for the quests or whatever on the maps |
| 23:24.31 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Some previous code ate up memory? |
| 23:24.43 | Xinhuan | i didn't even exceed 50 mb |
| 23:25.00 | Industrial | foxlit: right, ill try that :) |
| 23:25.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Odd... |
| 23:25.10 | Unregistered | what cosmos do i download if i want it to tell me where to go for quests? |
| 23:25.46 | Kaso | Unregistered, poke AnduinLothar about that i think |
| 23:26.23 | MentalPower | lua> math.random() |
| 23:26.23 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 0.84018771715471 |
| 23:26.46 | nevcairiel | oh its not 14 anymore |
| 23:27.15 | Unregistered | ok i did |
| 23:27.17 | nevcairiel | lua> math.random(10, 20) |
| 23:27.17 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 19 |
| 23:27.22 | nevcairiel | lua> math.random(10, 20) |
| 23:27.22 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 19 |
| 23:27.27 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 23:27.31 | nevcairiel | still not random though =P |
| 23:27.43 | MentalPower | lua> local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:27.44 | Unregistered | no one here knows? |
| 23:27.45 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 5000335.2605175, 0.50003352605175 |
| 23:27.48 | Polarina | nevcairiel: lua_bot creates a new state each time, and the initial seed is always 1. |
| 23:27.51 | MentalPower | nevcairiel: I think it is |
| 23:27.58 | MentalPower | lua> local t,r,m=0,math.random,100000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:28.04 | lua_bot | MentalPower: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 23:28.08 | MentalPower | :P |
| 23:28.12 | MentalPower | --> local t,r,m=0,math.random,100000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:28.16 | Xinhuan | maybe lua doesn't like tables with 540k entries? |
| 23:28.17 | batbot | MentalPower: @ maximum execution time/memory exceeded |
| 23:28.23 | MentalPower | --> local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:28.28 | Polarina | MentalPower: Use 1e7 instead. |
| 23:28.29 | batbot | MentalPower: @ maximum execution time/memory exceeded |
| 23:28.38 | nevcairiel | of course it is, but if the initial seed is always 1, why is it 19 now, and 14 a few days ago? |
| 23:28.38 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 23:28.41 | MentalPower | Polarina: same diff |
| 23:28.51 | Polarina | nevcairiel: Because it sucks? |
| 23:28.59 | MentalPower | lua> local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:29.01 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 5000335.2605175, 0.50003352605175 |
| 23:29.14 | MentalPower | quite close to ideal distribution BTW |
| 23:29.45 | nevcairiel | for what, 10 million iterations? would be rather sad if not :) |
| 23:30.11 | MentalPower | well, you cant really compare a RNG on less |
| 23:30.12 | charon | you haven't checked anything but the average... for all we know it could _always_ return 0.50003352605175 :P |
| 23:30.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:30.36 | MentalPower | charon: it prolly will, for the reason Polarina said |
| 23:30.40 | MentalPower | the seed is always 1 |
| 23:30.46 | Xinhuan | i actually think i can reproduce this |
| 23:30.46 | Xinhuan | error |
| 23:30.48 | MentalPower | I guess I could change that |
| 23:30.49 | Xinhuan | block too big |
| 23:31.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Test it on the PTR. |
| 23:31.02 | Polleke | why is it not simply seeded with a timestamp? |
| 23:31.10 | MentalPower | lua> math.randseed(os.time()+os.clock())local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:31.10 | lua_bot | MentalPower: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'randseed' (a nil value) |
| 23:31.21 | nevcairiel | randomseed |
| 23:31.27 | Xinhuan | 528528 |
| 23:31.32 | Xinhuan | does this number have any significance? |
| 23:31.33 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()+os.clock()) local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:31.36 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 5001356.1943873, 0.50013561943873 |
| 23:31.38 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()+os.clock()) local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:31.40 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 5000271.1999046, 0.50002711999046 |
| 23:31.41 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()+os.clock()) local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:31.42 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 5001253.6642417, 0.50012536642417 |
| 23:31.43 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()+os.clock()) local t,r,m=0,math.random,10000000 for i=1,m do t=t+r() end print(t, t/m) |
| 23:31.45 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 5001609.0439584, 0.50016090439584 |
| 23:31.46 | nevcairiel | lua> 528628/8 |
| 23:31.46 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 66078.5 |
| 23:31.53 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: doesnt seem like it |
| 23:31.59 | nevcairiel | lua> 528528/8 |
| 23:32.00 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 66066 |
| 23:32.04 | nevcairiel | same diff :p |
| 23:32.08 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: y do you ask? |
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| 23:32.18 | Xinhuan | because i filled up a hash table with entries |
| 23:32.32 | Xinhuan | wait i'm counting it wrong |
| 23:33.07 | Xinhuan | 527736 |
| 23:33.18 | Xinhuan | i'm getting the Block too big error at 527336 entries |
| 23:33.19 | Xinhuan | in the table |
| 23:33.21 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: how did you come up with that number? |
| 23:33.27 | MentalPower | any table? |
| 23:33.28 | Xinhuan | pairs() over it and count |
| 23:33.29 | foxlit | Hrm, I want to run a small animation when the player logs in -- am I being evil? :) |
| 23:33.41 | Polarina | foxlit: Nah. :P |
| 23:33.44 | Xinhuan | over a specific table in one of my codes |
| 23:33.48 | nevcairiel | lua> 527736/8 |
| 23:33.48 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 65967 |
| 23:33.52 | nevcairiel | lua> 527736/8/8 |
| 23:33.52 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 8245.875 |
| 23:33.55 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 23:34.24 | nevcairiel | how much mem does one hash table entry use again? |
| 23:34.57 | Polarina | A lot? |
| 23:34.58 | zenzelezz | lua> 65967-65535 |
| 23:34.58 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 432 |
| 23:35.08 | zenzelezz | lua> 432/8 |
| 23:35.08 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 54 |
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| 23:35.22 | zenzelezz | now if only I knew what I was trying to accomplish |
| 23:35.37 | Xinhuan | what about 524289 |
| 23:35.42 | nevcairiel | lua> 40 + 40*527736 |
| 23:35.42 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 21109480 |
| 23:35.49 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, you in wow? |
| 23:35.52 | Xinhuan | do this: /run i = 0 abc = {} while true do i = i + 1 abc[i] = i end |
| 23:35.52 | nevcairiel | lua> 21109480/1024 |
| 23:35.53 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 20614.7265625 |
| 23:35.56 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 23:36.06 | Xinhuan | then /dump i |
| 23:36.08 | nevcairiel | thats not a hash table |
| 23:36.12 | Xinhuan | yeah its not |
| 23:36.25 | Xinhuan | but it will also generate a block too big at some point |
| 23:36.40 | Xinhuan | any clues? |
| 23:37.23 | nevcairiel | 524289 for me |
| 23:37.25 | Xinhuan | it happened with i is 524288 in this case |
| 23:37.37 | Xinhuan | 524289 i mean |
| 23:37.47 | Xinhuan | so the table was able to hold 524288 entries |
| 23:37.50 | Xinhuan | and failed on the next one |
| 23:38.06 | nevcairiel | lua> 524288*16 + 40 |
| 23:38.07 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 8388648 |
| 23:38.14 | nevcairiel | the numbers are odd though |
| 23:38.21 | Xinhuan | lua> math.log(524288) / math.log(2) |
| 23:38.21 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 19 |
| 23:38.25 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 23:38.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:38.30 | Xinhuan | lua> 2^19 |
| 23:38.31 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 524288 |
| 23:38.38 | nevcairiel | fascinating |
| 23:38.43 | Xinhuan | ok not so strange |
| 23:39.06 | Xinhuan | so a table entry consists of a key and the value right? |
| 23:39.14 | Xinhuan | does that mean an entry takes 8 bytes? |
| 23:39.18 | Xinhuan | 4 bytes for each |
| 23:39.49 | nevcairiel | 16 bytes is one indexed entry according to wowwiki |
| 23:40.15 | Xinhuan | so the maximum table size is capped at 2^23 bytes in wow? |
| 23:40.30 | Xinhuan | 2^19 x 16 |
| 23:40.40 | Iriel | Array style entries are indeed 16 bytes each |
| 23:40.51 | Iriel | but for dynamic arrays they're allocated exponentially |
| 23:41.12 | Iriel | Hash entries are 40 bytes each, again allocated exponentially for dynamically allocated tables |
| 23:41.20 | Iriel | (and then hybrid tables are a mix of the two) |
| 23:41.21 | Xinhuan | ok when i do array style, its capped at 524288 which is a power of 2 |
| 23:41.30 | Xinhuan | when i do hybrid or so, its capping at 528528 entries |
| 23:41.37 | Xinhuan | before a block too big wow error |
| 23:41.38 | Iriel | Capping now? |
| 23:41.41 | Iriel | Ah.. I see |
| 23:41.55 | Xinhuan | /run i = 0 abc = {} while true do i = i + 1 abc[i] = i end |
| 23:41.57 | Xinhuan | u can do that one |
| 23:42.00 | Xinhuan | for array style |
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| 23:42.17 | nevcairiel | so |
| 23:42.22 | nevcairiel | allocating exponentially |
| 23:42.23 | Iriel | plus there's a 36 byte header |
| 23:42.30 | Xinhuan | so why 528528 |
| 23:42.33 | nevcairiel | first aloc one element |
| 23:42.33 | Iriel | function PackedHashTableSize(entries) |
| 23:42.34 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.34 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.34 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.34 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.35 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.36 | Iriel | end |
| 23:42.37 | nevcairiel | second 3 |
| 23:42.40 | Iriel | function PackedArrayTableSize(entries) |
| 23:42.40 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.42 | Iriel | end |
| 23:42.50 | Iriel | I suspect that's the element at which it tries to reallocate |
| 23:43.04 | charon | nevcairiel: usually array allocators double the size every time it's too small |
| 23:43.30 | Xinhuan | but unlike the other reports , my wow isn't actually crashing |
| 23:43.51 | nevcairiel | charon: that would only go from 2^23 to 2^24, doesnt make sense to crash <.< |
| 23:44.22 | Xinhuan | so there at least appears to be an upper limit to my TSP algorithm for problem sizes |
| 23:44.30 | Xinhuan | unless i switch to using 2 dimensional arrays |
| 23:44.35 | Xinhuan | instead of 1 dimensions |
| 23:44.43 | Xinhuan | i.e subtables |
| 23:44.49 | Iriel | Your hash limit seems odd |
| 23:45.02 | Iriel | or was 'hybrid' not a pure hash? |
| 23:45.07 | Xinhuan | its hybrid |
| 23:45.13 | Xinhuan | i'm building up a NxN table |
| 23:45.17 | Xinhuan | where instead of t[a][b] |
| 23:45.22 | Xinhuan | i'm using t[a*N-b] |
| 23:45.23 | charon | nevcairiel: why wouldn't someone pick 4MB as an upper limit for any allocation? |
| 23:45.27 | Iriel | Well, the block limit is somewhere between 8388644 and 16777252 bytes |
| 23:45.41 | charon | s/4MB/8MB/ |
| 23:45.45 | Xinhuan | and 528528 seems to be the consistent limit |
| 23:45.45 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 23:45.50 | charon | (never let mathematicians do the counting) |
| 23:46.05 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: what does that table contain? |
| 23:46.07 | Iriel | Going from 524,288 to 524,289 with a pure array style table requires a reallocation |
| 23:46.17 | Iriel | the contents are irrelevant, I suspect |
| 23:46.32 | Iriel | my belief is that the issue is that it requires a contiguous block |
| 23:46.33 | Xinhuan | t[integer] = double |
| 23:46.37 | Xinhuan | basically, all doubles |
| 23:46.48 | Xinhuan | 527336 is my latest count hmm |
| 23:47.18 | Xinhuan | typo |
| 23:47.20 | Xinhuan | 527736 |
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| 23:48.29 | Xinhuan | i noticed the othr reports of block too big are during a :GetRegions() call |
| 23:48.46 | Xinhuan | i suppose the return values of that call requires a contiguos block too? |
| 23:49.03 | MentalPower | lua> local t,i={},0 while true do t[10000+i] = true i=i+1 end local i=0 for k in pairs(t) do i=i+1 end print(i) t=nil collectgarbage() |
| 23:49.03 | lua_bot | MentalPower: not enough memory |
| 23:49.07 | Corrodias | it requires a mental block |
| 23:49.08 | Iriel | The stack is a contiguous block |
| 23:49.10 | MentalPower | wow, that was fast |
| 23:49.13 | Iriel | so perhaps that'd be why |
| 23:49.19 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Switch to a 2-dimension tables then. Good night. |
| 23:49.29 | Xinhuan | a 2-dimensional table runs 30% slower |
| 23:49.42 | Iriel | Can you just partition the dataset? |
| 23:50.00 | Xinhuan | only if i add a hell lot of if-then-else |
| 23:50.08 | Xinhuan | local p = a*N-b |
| 23:50.15 | Iriel | You can't break the data into overlapping regions? |
| 23:50.17 | Xinhuan | if p > 10000 then use table A else use table B |
| 23:50.17 | Xinhuan | lolol |
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| 23:51.14 | MentalPower | lua> t={} local t,i=t,0 while true do t[10000+i] = true i=i+1 end |
| 23:51.14 | lua_bot | MentalPower: not enough memory |
| 23:51.15 | MentalPower | lua> local i=0 for k in pairs(t) do i=i+1 end print(i) t=nil collectgarbage() |
| 23:51.16 | lua_bot | MentalPower: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil) |
| 23:51.29 | MentalPower | bah, lua_bot doesn't save the global state... |
| 23:51.33 | Xinhuan | the problem only occurs on 725 nodes or larger problem size |
| 23:51.43 | Xinhuan | lua> 725^2 - 2^19 |
| 23:51.44 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1337 |
| 23:51.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:51.51 | Xinhuan | whoa l337 |
| 23:51.55 | Xinhuan | lua> 724^2 - 2^19 |
| 23:51.55 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: -112 |
| 23:51.56 | MentalPower | --> t={} local t,i=t,0 while true do t[10000+i] = true i=i+1 end |
| 23:51.57 | MentalPower | --> local i=0 for k in pairs(t) do i=i+1 end print(i) t=nil collectgarbage() |
| 23:52.01 | batbot | MentalPower: @ maximum execution time/memory exceeded |
| 23:52.01 | batbot | MentalPower: 0 |
| 23:52.34 | Xinhuan | don't print(i) hehe |
| 23:52.43 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 23:52.48 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: I've run that locally (outside of WoW) and I always get to 33560817 entries before it barfs |
| 23:53.10 | nevcairiel | wow is probably much more limited memory wise |
| 23:53.14 | Xinhuan | lua> log(33560818) / log(2) |
| 23:53.14 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'log' (a nil value) |
| 23:53.20 | Xinhuan | lua> math.log(33560818) / math.log(2) |
| 23:53.20 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 25.000274544178 |
| 23:53.39 | Xinhuan | lua> 2^25 |
| 23:53.39 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 33554432 |
| 23:53.49 | Corrodias | lua> math.log(33560818) / math.log(2) - 0.000274544178 |
| 23:53.49 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 25 |
| 23:53.53 | Xinhuan | that doesn't even make sense now :o |
| 23:53.57 | Corrodias | HAH PRECISION ERRUR! |
| 23:54.14 | Xinhuan | why 33560817 |
| 23:54.20 | MentalPower | I dunno |
| 23:54.23 | MentalPower | ask Iriel :P |
| 23:54.27 | Xinhuan | what's your results in wow? |
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| 23:54.37 | MentalPower | logging on to test |
| 23:54.43 | Corrodias | according to calc, it should be 33554432 |
| 23:54.48 | MentalPower | actually I'm gonna test array indexes first |
| 23:55.07 | Corrodias | lua> 33560817 - 33554432 |
| 23:55.08 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 6385 |
| 23:57.00 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: array tables die at 33554432 entries |
| 23:57.09 | MentalPower | still outside of WoW |
| 23:57.32 | MentalPower | t={} local t,i=t,0 while true do t[1+i] = true i=i+1 end |
| 23:57.34 | MentalPower | local i=0 for k in pairs(t) do i=i+1 end print(i) t=nil collectgarbage() |
| 23:57.55 | Iriel | 33554432 is the last index before a re-alloc |
| 23:58.14 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.27 | Iriel | that's hash, and array is... |
| 23:58.34 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.08 | MentalPower | lua> return 36 + math.pow(2, math.ceil(math.log(33560817 ) / math.log(2))) * 16 |
| 23:59.08 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 1073741860 |
| 23:59.26 | MentalPower | lua> return math.pow(2,math.ceil(math.log(33554432 )/math.log(2))) * 40 + 36; |
| 23:59.26 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 1342177316 |
| 23:59.43 | MentalPower | thats not right |
| 23:59.57 | MentalPower | Lua.exe only takes up 500MB |
