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| 00:40.02 | art3mis | Shirik: we;ve gone over spelt and spelled at least 40 times ;P |
| 00:40.20 | Shirik | Yeah but I only pay attention to things when I'm the center of attention |
| 00:40.29 | art3mis | like i said |
| 00:40.31 | art3mis | 40 times ;P |
| 00:40.53 | art3mis | name me 3 times you ween't the center of attention apris |
| 00:40.55 | art3mis | paris |
| 00:41.08 | Tem | pairs |
| 00:41.16 | Shirik | ipairs is better |
| 00:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | aspire |
| 00:41.25 | art3mis | is that apples version? |
| 00:42.50 | reqol | Shirik: what's the difference? |
| 00:43.01 | Shirik | one doesn't use next() :P |
| 00:43.03 | art3mis | http://www.rlslog.net/disktrix-ultimatedefrag-2008-v20047-cracked-mint/ |
| 00:43.04 | art3mis | neat |
| 00:43.17 | art3mis | i like the layout of that one |
| 00:43.38 | Tem | (my top 3 typos when I program lua are "paris" "funcion" and "Hightlight") |
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| 01:23.47 | reqol | lua_bot doesn't want to chat with me : ( |
| 01:27.02 | MentalPower | lua> "hi" |
| 01:27.02 | lua_bot | MentalPower: hi |
| 01:27.36 | MentalPower | reqol: it still needs the "lua>" at the beginning |
| 01:27.42 | MentalPower | and you |
| 01:27.49 | MentalPower | you're not identified to services |
| 01:33.40 | josephy | okay.. please, lol. someone help. i dont even know where to begin. i want to make a script or addon, that will allow me to walk up to the AH on my bank toons, and type say, "/goscriptgo 50s0c" and have it Auction, one by one, every item/stack in my inventory for 50s .. is this a simple thing to do? where should I begin? |
| 01:35.47 | josephy | i've been googling for coding for beginners etc.. but everything seems to be focused on tutorials for modifying the UI specifically ... ie, the looks of things etc.. not so much on just making a script like that.. |
| 01:36.00 | MentalPower | josephy: no splitting stacks or anything? |
| 01:36.07 | josephy | nah nothing like that |
| 01:36.14 | MentalPower | just everything in your bags for the specified amount? |
| 01:36.17 | josephy | yeah |
| 01:36.28 | MentalPower | that's relatively easy actually |
| 01:36.32 | josephy | because i have one bank toon i use to sell low level rubbish |
| 01:36.45 | josephy | and i ask 50s without battering an eyelid - if it doesn't sell i dont care.. |
| 01:37.01 | MentalPower | even if its below vendor price? |
| 01:37.10 | josephy | yeah |
| 01:37.23 | MentalPower | o.O |
| 01:38.24 | MentalPower | so, what server you on? :P |
| 01:38.38 | josephy | Aman'Thul |
| 01:39.04 | josephy | oh, lol |
| 01:39.13 | josephy | adding up why that matter ;) |
| 01:39.32 | MentalPower | :P |
| 01:39.37 | MentalPower | took you a while :P |
| 01:39.41 | josephy | so...... where do i start ? |
| 01:39.46 | josephy | any suggstions? |
| 01:39.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 01:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | From the beginning. |
| 01:40.13 | MentalPower | anyways, basically you have to iterate over all bag slots and pickup each item and place it in the sell slot, put in the price and click the auction button |
| 01:40.38 | MentalPower | thats the 5-mile high bird's eye overview |
| 01:41.02 | josephy | yep |
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| 01:45.45 | Hjalte | ckknight: [2008/04/28 03:44:10-3977-x1]: Cartographer3-3.0 Development\Cartographer.lua:2794: attempt to call field '?' (a nil value) - Got it when flying IF -> Isle of Quel'Danas |
| 01:47.02 | SpiderBK | is ther a widget to check if a frame exists? |
| 01:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | if (frame) then win() else fail() end |
| 01:47.40 | SpiderBK | hm |
| 01:47.57 | SpiderBK | i take the win plx:D |
| 01:49.43 | Shirik | it is so odd that "less than three colon close parenthesis" makes perfect sense. I wonder what some completely alien being would say if they saw something like this |
| 01:49.44 | MentalPower | if you want to be absolutely sure that a variable is a frame, then you can do 'if type(frame) == "table" and type(frame[0]) =="userdata" and type(frame.IsObjectType) == "function" and frame:IsObjectType("Frame") then win() else fail() end' |
| 01:50.06 | MentalPower | <3:) |
| 01:50.11 | Kaso | that seems slightly overkill |
| 01:50.27 | MentalPower | not if you want to be *absolutely* sure |
| 01:51.31 | MentalPower | I guess I could put more checks in, but then it would be paranoid :P |
| 01:51.34 | SpiderBK | the simple solution works just fine, thx^^ |
| 01:52.37 | End | I don't think we have any userdata other than frames, do we? |
| 01:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't think so, no |
| 01:52.48 | Kaso | if select(1,pcall(frame.IsObjectType,frame,"Frame")) and select(1,pcall(frame.IsObjectType,frame,"Frame")) then win() else fail() end |
| 01:52.57 | Kaso | woops, change that second 1 to a 2 |
| 01:52.58 | End | actually, I guess you didnt check for the metatable :P |
| 01:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, this conversation could be worse |
| 01:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ^.5 anyone? |
| 01:53.48 | End | lol |
| 01:53.50 | Kaso | hah |
| 01:55.00 | MentalPower | End: I thought about checking if the metatable matched the one from UIParent, but that would fall under the paranoid category :P |
| 01:55.09 | End | it won't though |
| 01:55.19 | End | each frame type has a different metatable now I think |
| 01:55.27 | MentalPower | true |
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| 01:55.37 | MentalPower | I was thinking of just Frame |
| 01:55.41 | End | ah |
| 01:55.55 | MentalPower | k, I guess I could create a new frame of the specific type :P |
| 01:56.00 | End | well, you could create a frame of the type that :GetObjectTable() tells you |
| 01:56.02 | End | and compare :P |
| 01:56.05 | MentalPower | aye |
| 01:56.17 | MentalPower | :GetObjectType() |
| 01:56.22 | End | er, yeah |
| 01:56.25 | End | that's what I meant |
| 01:56.27 | End | silly fingers |
| 01:56.37 | MentalPower | would need special cases for FontString and Texture tho |
| 01:56.43 | End | yea |
| 01:56.50 | End | one can never be too sure! |
| 01:57.08 | End | :) |
| 02:01.18 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 02:01.25 | Shirik | someone in my raid team survived ros phase one with 1 hp |
| 02:01.39 | reqol | MentalPower: I know it requires lua>, I wanted a private chat session with the bot! : ( |
| 02:03.27 | Syzgyn | lol Shirik |
| 02:03.53 | Syzgyn | we were doing mag and the MT stood in the debris :) |
| 02:04.16 | Syzgyn | then an OT picked it up, and stood in the debris |
| 02:04.28 | Syzgyn | then another OT grabbed it, and stood in the debris |
| 02:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy fun for the healers. Not. |
| 02:05.24 | Shirik | ros is so fun |
| 02:05.29 | Syzgyn | they all got oneshot :P |
| 02:08.37 | batrick | shirik |
| 02:08.44 | Shirik | batrick |
| 02:09.28 | batrick | i got these epic chocolate chip banana muffins from Trader Joes |
| 02:09.34 | batrick | so great |
| 02:09.39 | batrick | fyi |
| 02:11.27 | Lopeppeppy | I made mint chocolate chip cookies this weekend, yummy. |
| 02:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 02:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Three weeks of wiping on gorefiend |
| 02:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | We walk in, take our practice run |
| 02:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | He dies on the practice run |
| 02:11.56 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 02:12.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The entire raid is laughing hysterically |
| 02:12.15 | batrick | things like that make me not miss raiding in wow |
| 02:15.08 | Iriel | FWIW, the most paranoid /reasonable/ level of checks for an object would, IMHO, be 1) it's a table 2) type(t[0]) == "userdata"; 3) type(t.IsObjectType) == "function" and 4) t:IsObjectType("Frame") |
| 02:15.30 | Iriel | and depending on what you're doing, even 3 and 4 are likely overkill |
| 02:15.44 | Legorol | Syzgyn: I'm a bit confused about your Mag story |
| 02:16.02 | Syzgyn | How so? |
| 02:16.03 | Legorol | Afaik he is not tauntable, and OTs can't possibly generate enough threat to be 2nd/3rd highest |
| 02:16.13 | Legorol | So how did they "pick him up" |
| 02:16.28 | Syzgyn | well, several dps died between each pickup |
| 02:16.41 | Syzgyn | but the OT's were there dpsing the whole time |
| 02:16.53 | Legorol | That makes more sense, so it wasn't really a "pickup" as such, more like a "people die until the top of the threat list is erased and it reaches a tank" |
| 02:17.05 | Syzgyn | right |
| 02:17.16 | Syzgyn | like, as soon as the MT died, I got 2shot |
| 02:17.35 | Legorol | How far is your guild progressed btw? |
| 02:17.48 | Syzgyn | 2/5 4/9 |
| 02:17.55 | Syzgyn | we do mag on our off nights with SSC/TK |
| 02:18.08 | Legorol | is that 2/5 4/9 hyjal and bt? |
| 02:18.11 | Syzgyn | correct |
| 02:18.17 | Legorol | in which case, you really nubbed that mag fight ^^ |
| 02:18.24 | Syzgyn | oh yeah we did |
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| 02:18.29 | Syzgyn | It ended up a 1% wipe |
| 02:18.32 | Legorol | my guild hasn't done anything in TK, we are 4/6 in SSC, and we one-tap him :P |
| 02:18.39 | Legorol | with no dead |
| 02:18.44 | Legorol | so get your act together and lay off the booze |
| 02:18.56 | Syzgyn | we normally have all the channelers dead with 30 sec left, then mag dies in about 6 min |
| 02:19.54 | Legorol | 'tis more like it |
| 02:20.33 | Legorol | we have a fancy routine for the channelers.. we normally go with 3 tanks, the MT tanks the first two channelers, then runs around dragging channelers around, then hands them off to OTs and goes to pick up Maggy |
| 02:20.38 | Legorol | in case you are wondering why that is: |
| 02:20.44 | Lopeppeppy | Some days, the karma sucks and you die like little kiddies. |
| 02:21.01 | Legorol | we don't seem to manage more than 3 tanks for Maggy, and the MT is far more clued up than the OTs about what's going on |
| 02:21.06 | Legorol | so he does all the fancy work |
| 02:21.18 | End | We've had a moonkin druid tank the first one before :P |
| 02:21.27 | Legorol | anything can tank the first one |
| 02:21.39 | End | yeah, pretty much |
| 02:21.40 | Legorol | when our feral druid does grace us with his presence, i make him tank it |
| 02:21.48 | Legorol | last time i forgot to remind him to do it in bear form |
| 02:22.18 | Legorol | noone realised until after, including the healers |
| 02:22.26 | End | that's when you find out he is resto, and he's tanking it in tree form! |
| 02:22.34 | Legorol | lol |
| 02:22.44 | Shirik | gd |
| 02:22.47 | Shirik | phase three of ros is a pita |
| 02:23.14 | Legorol | Oth, i'm really happy with our SSC progress. We had an unfortunate exodus, the "mid-expansion crisis", when all the top cream left us. |
| 02:23.28 | Legorol | Had to rebuild our 25-man raids from there, and since then we have been better than ever. |
| 02:25.03 | Legorol | I have seen Leo for the first time tonight ^^ cool |
| 02:25.13 | End | leo annoys me |
| 02:25.22 | Legorol | I actually have a question about that, whether what happened to us is a bug or not: |
| 02:25.35 | Legorol | being the first try, several people failed to kill their demons and got MCd. we wipe. |
| 02:25.39 | Legorol | they stayed MCd |
| 02:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | Leo is a tough cookie, but once you get the trick of 1) inner demons and 2) do not pull aggro and 3) do not get whirlwinded, you're smexy |
| 02:25.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 02:25.43 | Legorol | is that normal? |
| 02:25.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 02:25.59 | Legorol | we were standing there like a bunch of idiots for 10 mins doing nothing waiting for them to get uncontrolled |
| 02:26.00 | End | well |
| 02:26.03 | Lopeppeppy | I felt like a doofus the first time I wiped the raid and stayed MC'd. *sigh* |
| 02:26.07 | End | hopefully noone should get MC'd |
| 02:26.11 | End | but it does happen |
| 02:26.22 | Legorol | End: this was first try |
| 02:26.25 | End | ironically, healers have a good time at it, since they are vulnerable to both nature and holy |
| 02:26.30 | End | ah, well, that's ok then |
| 02:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | That's why when someone gets MC'd, the whole raid turns on them. Insta-gank. |
| 02:26.40 | End | ^^ |
| 02:26.49 | End | we yell at them for sucking, then killing! |
| 02:26.54 | End | er, then we kill them |
| 02:27.00 | End | sorry, I got excited |
| 02:27.04 | Legorol | hehe |
| 02:27.40 | Legorol | btw i don't know about how you do it, but i actually like the idea of trying new bosses for the first time by having one or two practice wipes on them at the end of a raidnight |
| 02:27.45 | Lopeppeppy | I find that the first time you get your demon is the worst, but if you have a warning that you're getting the Insidious Whisper, you know you're up for a demon and you whip out your Deee Peeee Essss. |
| 02:27.56 | Legorol | no matter how many tactics you read or videos you watch, it can't substitute real experience |
| 02:27.58 | Lopeppeppy | Usually works well, depending on raid mood and morale, Legorol. |
| 02:28.04 | End | oh, I agree |
| 02:28.11 | Legorol | so by having a practice wipe at the end, i can go "ahaaa, so that's what that bit meant" |
| 02:28.22 | Legorol | then i have days to actually plan the fight, instead of having people stand around |
| 02:28.27 | End | we always assume the first attempt will be a complete failure :P |
| 02:28.34 | Legorol | oh, same here |
| 02:28.49 | Legorol | but do you like to start on a new boss (one that you've never seen) at the start of the evening, or end of the evening? |
| 02:29.05 | Legorol | i really like doing it at the end, for the abovementioned reasons |
| 02:29.13 | End | I honestly don't care when I do it |
| 02:29.16 | Legorol | then i can take my time, go back to tactics and reread, this time with more comprehension |
| 02:29.18 | Lopeppeppy | I hate spending a whole evening grinding my nose against something new. We rarely learn anything different past wipe 4, and just get frustrated. |
| 02:29.39 | End | yeah, that's similar to my expierences |
| 02:29.42 | Lopeppeppy | Give me the last hour on a new boss, and then maybe the next week we can have read up and spend a whole 4 hours actually learning. |
| 02:29.59 | Legorol | yup |
| 02:30.14 | Legorol | also, at the end of the night, people are naturally tired already.. |
| 02:30.22 | Legorol | so might as well have the things that are 100% wipes then :) |
| 02:31.00 | Legorol | anyway, enough war stories |
| 02:31.15 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all did good. |
| 02:31.43 | Legorol | Leo looks much fun, and we laughed our heads off at the people who got MCd. Especially the hunter who is (currently) our top dps. |
| 02:31.43 | Syzgyn | I'm freaking exausted tonight |
| 02:31.43 | Syzgyn | and we just started SSC :( |
| 02:31.43 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. |
| 02:32.19 | Osagasu | Guild is working on Archi tonight, I'm just tired from work, so I share the feeling |
| 02:32.21 | End | I read that as MC at first |
| 02:32.24 | Syzgyn | Legorol: When we were learning vashj, our MT prot war would consistently get MC'd |
| 02:32.29 | End | doing MC again... |
| 02:32.31 | End | would suck |
| 02:32.32 | Syzgyn | then brezzed, then MC'd again |
| 02:32.51 | Legorol | prot dps is pretty nice if you know how to do it |
| 02:33.05 | End | Didn't they take her MC away a while ago? |
| 02:33.23 | Syzgyn | he complained that the demon didnt shadowbolt twice, otherwise he woulda had it with spellreflect |
| 02:33.25 | Legorol | <= was 6th on total damage on a Karathress fight when we had enough tanks and could dps instead |
| 02:33.39 | End | oh I misread :P |
| 02:34.11 | Syzgyn | What class are you legorol? |
| 02:34.22 | Legorol | warrior, usually running around as prot |
| 02:34.24 | Osagasu | He's probably a warrior |
| 02:34.27 | Syzgyn | armory link! |
| 02:34.35 | Legorol | !c eu silvermoon legorol |
| 02:34.38 | Legorol | bleh |
| 02:34.42 | Legorol | aha, there |
| 02:34.56 | Osagasu | !c us Norgannon starbreak |
| 02:34.58 | Legorol | that's not the gear i wore on that fight |
| 02:35.15 | Legorol | ugh, that 406 defense doesn't look right |
| 02:35.48 | Legorol | could the bot be broken? |
| 02:35.59 | Syzgyn | http://armorylite.com/eu/Silvermoon/legorol |
| 02:36.20 | Legorol | i know for sure i have more than 406 defense when i have 15.5k Hp and 17.5k armor |
| 02:36.27 | Osagasu | That reads 541 def |
| 02:36.48 | Legorol | oh, the bot is quoting defense rating from gear |
| 02:36.51 | Legorol | and not actual defense |
| 02:37.39 | Shirik | what is that number in the top right? |
| 02:37.48 | Adys | NOooo >< |
| 02:37.50 | Syzgyn | your tank gear is a bit better than mine :) |
| 02:37.59 | Osagasu | gear points |
| 02:38.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:38.19 | Shirik | been there, done that |
| 02:38.26 | Shirik | except it was rm -rf |
| 02:38.33 | Shirik | and it was putting a space in between a folder name and a / |
| 02:38.40 | Legorol | Syzgyn: i don't really care, tbh |
| 02:38.50 | Adys | Nice, Shirik :P |
| 02:39.01 | Shirik | so instead of rm -rf /var/www it was rm -rf / var/www |
| 02:39.03 | Legorol | i have outgeared a long time ago any content my guild is possibly doing at any time in the near future |
| 02:39.07 | Shirik | whic.... did not go well |
| 02:39.07 | Legorol | so i'm happy with whatever |
| 02:39.12 | Osagasu | Why powerful earthstorm and now the Block Value meta? |
| 02:39.13 | Adys | though Im moving in about 3 hours |
| 02:39.15 | Adys | ugh |
| 02:39.16 | Osagasu | **not |
| 02:39.33 | Legorol | because i didn't get around to it yet :) |
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| 02:40.00 | Legorol | i'm too busy chatting on IRC |
| 02:40.01 | Osagasu | touche. |
| 02:40.21 | Legorol | btw, the one thing i don't understand is that i see all these tanks running around, at all sorts of gear levels, with HP ~= armor |
| 02:40.30 | Legorol | whereas for me, it's always been HP < armor |
| 02:40.43 | Legorol | and i don't see how they get there |
| 02:40.49 | Osagasu | One of our tanks was at 30k on the Archi fight. o.O |
| 02:40.52 | Osagasu | warrior tanks |
| 02:41.02 | Osagasu | Hp |
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| 02:41.41 | Legorol | but i'm talking anything from L70 blues to T4, T5, T6 |
| 02:41.44 | Legorol | seen it at every level |
| 02:42.00 | Legorol | and for me, always several 1000 difference between Hp and armor |
| 02:42.14 | Legorol | i even read a guide that mentioned at 14k hp/14k armor rule of thumb |
| 02:42.34 | Legorol | by the time i had 14k hp, i was wearing T4.5 and had around 16.5 or 17k armor |
| 02:42.44 | Legorol | that rule of thumb was referring to Kara I think |
| 02:43.14 | Legorol | well, whatever |
| 02:43.20 | Legorol | maybe becuase i'm a gnome |
| 02:43.22 | Legorol | gnomes are small |
| 02:43.24 | Osagasu | Once you get to 102.4 avoidance, stam is just more effective for staving off deaths than simple AC. |
| 02:43.53 | Legorol | i'm far from passive uncrushability |
| 02:44.08 | Legorol | and i'm aware of effective health theory and all its incarnations :) |
| 02:44.27 | Osagasu | I'm about 10% away. Once I get my libram I'll be 5. |
| 02:44.29 | Osagasu | So I'm close. |
| 02:44.33 | Legorol | and that one actually says that the usefulness of sta and armor scale with each other ;-) |
| 02:44.42 | Legorol | so you can't make a generalised statement that sta is more effective |
| 02:44.42 | Osagasu | Well, not that a paladin will ever be passive |
| 02:44.53 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins are never passive. *sweet smile* |
| 02:45.11 | Corrodias | only passive aggressive |
| 02:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | bah. I stuff a Hammer of Justice right in people's faces, nothing passive there. |
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| 02:47.22 | Osagasu | I prefer myself slow weapons. Shame Cudgel of Consecration is the slowest good pally weapon. :< |
| 02:47.28 | josephy | i need a little addon made if anyone wants to make a few bucks. msg me. |
| 02:50.16 | Syzgyn | be a bit more specific josephy |
| 02:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly, my deee peee ess is hampered by my not ever swinging my weapon. I'm one of those healerdins. *nod* |
| 02:51.05 | Lopeppeppy | I still love to swing the Hammer of Justice around though. |
| 02:52.12 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: even as a healerdin, you should turn auto-attack on at least |
| 02:52.19 | Legorol | you never know when you happen to be in melee range ;-) |
| 02:52.27 | Lopeppeppy | Well yeah, if I ever get in range of anything. :) |
| 02:52.36 | kd3 | oh gah. I know I shouldn't be laughing, but... [Scary] Hungry San Diego shark sets California wildfire to force more tasty humans into the sea |
| 02:52.40 | Legorol | it doesn't hurt in any way, so might as well |
| 02:52.47 | Syzgyn | lol kd3 |
| 02:52.48 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, I love it. |
| 02:53.05 | Legorol | lol, link? |
| 02:53.09 | Osagasu | This I have to see |
| 02:53.19 | kd3 | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOCAL_WILDFIRES?SITE=AP |
| 02:53.20 | MentalPower | reqol: you need to identify with nickserv in order to have PMs |
| 02:53.23 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, I tend to wind up between the raid and the squishy healers, if something comes toward me the Hammer comes out and I taunt with hope to live. Like... tertiary aggro control? |
| 02:53.34 | kd3 | fark thread: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3567100 |
| 02:53.44 | josephy | i want a script or addon, that will allow me to walk up to the AH on my bank toons, and type for example, "/goscriptgo 50s0c" and sit back while it Auctions, one by one, every item/stack in my inventory for 50s .. i've been googling for two days when i've had the chance but its all to overwhelming ... hence, i'm hoping i can find someone who would write it For me, for monetary compensation of course lol ... |
| 02:53.50 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: omg, you are one of those raiders that actually improvise? |
| 02:53.53 | Legorol | you are a rare breed |
| 02:53.59 | Adys | Shirik: bash - sudo - must be setuid to root |
| 02:54.02 | Adys | "woops" |
| 02:54.10 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:54.32 | Adys | Im moving in about 2 hours and half and I have to backup some shit before then |
| 02:54.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I get some crap sometimes for not being the "top paladin healer", then I ask them who does the BoP/taunt combo? Hmmm.... not that other guy. :) |
| 02:55.11 | Syzgyn | Is it even possible to auction things now without user input? |
| 02:55.23 | josephy | igors mass auction doesn't have a probelm doing it |
| 02:55.35 | Osagasu | Auctioneer doesn't seem to really either. |
| 02:55.53 | kd3 | you can post auctions without user input... just not buy them |
| 02:55.58 | Syzgyn | ok, I wasn't sure. not familiar at all with the auction api |
| 02:56.03 | josephy | Igors Mass Auction does it fine. |
| 02:56.11 | josephy | i just hate having to load up igors with items... |
| 02:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay Doomhammer lives up to its proper name: Downhammer |
| 02:56.34 | Syzgyn | I'll see what I can do after this raid josephy |
| 02:56.45 | josephy | wow choice |
| 02:56.50 | josephy | i will hang about then :) |
| 02:56.54 | Shirik | ..... |
| 02:57.02 | Shirik | our entire raid just went to bloodboil and then hearthed to shat |
| 02:57.06 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 02:57.08 | Shirik | pretty much everyone died at the zone in point |
| 02:57.19 | Shirik | now people are standing around us like "wtf?" |
| 02:57.29 | Legorol | josephy: i'd look at auctioneer, can't it do it? |
| 02:57.35 | Nechckn | josephy why not check out AuctioneerAddOn.Com it does what you want |
| 02:57.41 | Legorol | it has a batch posting option |
| 02:58.01 | Nechckn | all you need to do is scan for about a week to get your pricing tailored to your specific server/faction |
| 02:58.33 | Nechckn | then enable BatchPosting for items... from then on, you visit the AH, and it will update your pricing and post all of your Auctionable items with a single mouse click |
| 02:58.51 | Legorol | Nechckn: i beleive he wanted to post every item, even never-before-seen ones, automatically at the same fixed price |
| 02:58.57 | Legorol | i don't think auctioneer can do that, can it? |
| 02:59.10 | Legorol | although it has very similar stuff, so maybe possible to configure it like that |
| 02:59.20 | Nechckn | well... I can't imagine why you would want to, but yeah, you can do that |
| 02:59.33 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:59.37 | Nechckn | but why you'd post something worth 2g or 10g for 50s is a bit beyond me =) |
| 02:59.56 | Syzgyn | he wants to flood the ah |
| 03:00.04 | Nechckn | Just set a manual price for an item once- then you can post whatever you want |
| 03:00.30 | Legorol | Nechckn: that's the thing though, he wanted to be able to post never-before-seen items too |
| 03:00.46 | Nechckn | You can do those, too... just set the price once |
| 03:00.49 | Legorol | presumably because he has a bunch of random junk and doesn't want to have to set up initial prices |
| 03:01.08 | Legorol | wouldn't you have to set a manual price for each item though? |
| 03:01.18 | Legorol | if i have 100 different items, that's 100 operations? |
| 03:01.20 | Nechckn | Yes, once per item |
| 03:01.23 | Legorol | exactly |
| 03:01.29 | Legorol | which is what this user doesn't want to have to do |
| 03:01.36 | Legorol | just auction everything, all 100 different items, at 50s |
| 03:01.40 | Legorol | can auctioneer do that? |
| 03:01.51 | Legorol | lol |
| 03:02.06 | Nechckn | sure- if they want to muck with it a bit it surely would |
| 03:02.18 | Nechckn | but- it's not meant to, as you know =) |
| 03:02.45 | Legorol | ye |
| 03:02.56 | Legorol | i know it gets very close, but would need some custom fiddling with code i guess |
| 03:04.08 | Nechckn | indeed- likely a few lines would do it, but that introduces issues with folks flooding crap for 100g, etc |
| 03:06.15 | Nechckn | Igor's may be a bit simpler, in fact but that's all I'll say |
| 03:06.49 | josephy | no no lol |
| 03:06.57 | josephy | i have an alt i send low level stuff to |
| 03:07.08 | josephy | that fetches up to 50s a stack/item ... |
| 03:07.22 | Syzgyn | josephy did you get my PM? |
| 03:07.22 | josephy | strange dust, low level greens, light leather etc.. |
| 03:07.29 | josephy | yep i did thanks syz |
| 03:07.31 | Syzgyn | ok |
| 03:07.49 | Nechckn | Well, if you want them appropriately priced, Auctioneer will easily give you pricing with only a bit of effort |
| 03:08.12 | josephy | igors is way more automated for posting than anything auctioneer can do |
| 03:08.28 | josephy | but .. i'm trying to simplify both and just make it do this ... |
| 03:09.16 | josephy | and no - auctioneer doesn't do it ... it would require 10 times the effort of just using igors lol. |
| 03:10.08 | Nechckn | Hmm... well, single button clicking usually isn't too hard for folks. That said, if another does what you want, then more power to you. Best of luck |
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| 03:11.11 | josephy | i have auctioneer, i have igors, neither do this. lol. hence i'm trying to write, or get written, a simple script that will. |
| 03:11.18 | josephy | so no power anywhere yet. lol. |
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| 03:41.03 | Syzgyn | haha, man. The whole time the raid leader is describing vashj to the new people, the rest of the officers are talking about random crap in ochat |
| 03:41.26 | Lopeppeppy | At least it's not in raid chat, to distract everyone else? |
| 03:41.29 | Lopeppeppy | I hate that.... |
| 03:41.38 | Syzgyn | right |
| 03:41.45 | Syzgyn | but we werent paying attention at all :P |
| 03:41.51 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls eyes fondly* |
| 03:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | Night night, normal people. |
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| 03:42.42 | Shirik | Any masters of fork() online? |
| 03:43.11 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, no, but I am a master of spoon() |
| 03:43.31 | Shirik | >< |
| 03:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
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| 03:55.35 | Shirik | you know, I'm learning how nice it is to port C++ applications from Windows to POSIX when you only used 3 OS-specific calls in teh first place |
| 03:55.50 | Shirik | 33% done: #define ReadFile( h , b , n , o , v ) (*o = read( h , b , n ), *o != EINVAL && *o != EIO ) |
| 03:57.06 | kergoth | hmm, what addon do people use for tradeskill info in tooltips, like for what things are used in, nowadays? mendeleev? tradeskillinfo? |
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| 04:04.43 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 04:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | What's this? A normal hour? |
| 04:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:31.26 | Guillotine | Anybody play a high-ranking PvP disc priest? |
| 04:36.06 | Corrodias | while reading fan articles attempting to explain the mechanics of time and dimensional travel in the Chrono game series, i come across this line, "Time Traveler's Immunity has other ramifications; namely, the Emergence Preservation Corollary.". and my head asplode. |
| 04:37.03 | Shirik | ok, fork() is a very strange function |
| 04:37.10 | Corrodias | yes, yes it is. |
| 04:37.10 | Shirik | I would love to understand why they made it this way |
| 04:37.22 | Corrodias | to encourage you never to use it |
| 04:37.42 | Shirik | it's used extremely frequently >< |
| 04:43.03 | Shirik | cladhaire: ping? |
| 04:43.18 | Zootfizzle | Heh |
| 04:43.31 | Zootfizzle | I sent a GameSpy reviewer a review on his review and he responded =X |
| 04:43.37 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:43.45 | Shirik | was it a good review? |
| 04:43.46 | Zootfizzle | No |
| 04:43.54 | Zootfizzle | He gave Lost Odyssey 2.5 stars |
| 04:44.00 | Corrodias | was it a good review review? |
| 04:44.05 | Zootfizzle | Nope. |
| 04:44.12 | Zootfizzle | My initial review review was just scathing |
| 04:44.22 | Guillotine | lol |
| 04:44.30 | Zootfizzle | My follow-up review review asks how Mass Effect can get 5 stars and Lost Odyssey can get 2.5 stars on the same scale. |
| 04:44.49 | Zootfizzle | One game is a KotR rehash with elevators and clunky vehicles, and as much character development as a wet towel. |
| 04:45.08 | Zootfizzle | The other is a JRPG rehash. |
| 04:45.31 | Zootfizzle | Their tag line for Mass Effect was "One of the best RPGs ever" |
| 04:45.37 | Zootfizzle | *forehead slam* |
| 04:45.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:45.47 | Jinivus | lol |
| 04:45.54 | Shirik | Hey, I feel like Microsoft now! void PeekNamedPipe(int hdl, void* buf, int reserved1, unsigned long* reserved2, unsigned long* nBytesAvail, unsigned long* reserved3) |
| 04:45.58 | Shirik | 3 out of 5 parameters are unused! |
| 04:46.11 | Shirik | er, 3 out of 6 |
| 04:46.15 | MentalPower | oh god... |
| 04:46.26 | Zootfizzle | Shirik: Did you come up with that function yourself, or did twelve other people help you? |
| 04:46.32 | Shirik | well |
| 04:46.41 | Shirik | it's a Microsoft function that I need to partially provide POSIX compatibility for |
| 04:46.50 | Shirik | but I only need it to do one tiny thing |
| 04:46.58 | Shirik | so I got rid of the useless parameters :D |
| 04:47.42 | Shirik | However, we have our system test tomorrow, and here's the coolest part. Most of the other teams have said their code is about 500-1000 lines |
| 04:47.50 | Shirik | I ran wc today, first time since starting the project |
| 04:47.53 | Shirik | it came up with 6000 |
| 04:48.01 | kergoth | Antiarc: ping |
| 04:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: Your code is six times more likely to be buggy! :o |
| 04:48.41 | Shirik | actually we've done significant testing on it, that's the whole point of this class :) |
| 04:49.03 | Shirik | "Software Development Practices" all about development process |
| 04:49.06 | Zootfizzle | Heh |
| 04:49.07 | Shirik | etc |
| 04:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, nice |
| 04:49.20 | Zootfizzle | Nice ;) |
| 04:49.28 | Shirik | Of course, I'm not the quality manager. Hell no |
| 04:49.41 | Shirik | and if it fails, it's her fault! |
| 04:49.45 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade, you're so constructive in the suggestions thread |
| 04:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: haha, what do you mean? |
| 04:50.01 | Shirik | Totally not my fault, even though I'm leaving the POSIX compatibility layer until tonight, the day before the system test |
| 04:50.10 | Shirik | that was unforseeable, yup ^_^ |
| 04:50.11 | Zootfizzle | That's a great idea! |
| 04:50.11 | Zootfizzle | For an addon. |
| 04:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I know I posted a bit recently but I can't recall |
| 04:50.15 | Zootfizzle | =P |
| 04:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha yeah that |
| 04:50.25 | Shirik | ooh, what thread? |
| 04:50.26 | Zootfizzle | You been taking lessons from the cogmeister? |
| 04:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 04:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Post 34 |
| 04:51.16 | Shirik | ha |
| 04:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: you know, I love that concept. But I don't see it hitting the stock UI, ever, considering how easily doable it would be for any random addon author to do as-is |
| 04:51.21 | Shirik | touche |
| 04:51.31 | Shirik | It's not something I think should be stock |
| 04:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 04:51.37 | Shirik | even if it is a good idea |
| 04:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah exactly |
| 04:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a great idea |
| 04:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just not going to happen |
| 04:52.22 | ScytheBlade1 | (Zoot: if you want to prove me wrong on that matter, feel free ;)) |
| 04:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But I really would like to see enchanting moved to the tradeskill UI |
| 04:53.41 | Zootfizzle | Meh |
| 04:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Doing double duty ftl |
| 04:53.52 | Zootfizzle | It'd be easy and fun to do, I just gotta sell it to the pirate =P |
| 04:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 04:54.01 | Zootfizzle | Macros in trade windows = win |
| 04:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Well good luck |
| 04:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That WOULD be win |
| 04:54.17 | kd3 | could you sell him getting the "Chat filters have been fixed!" line added to the 2.4.2 patch notes? |
| 04:54.19 | kd3 | >.>; |
| 04:54.31 | Zootfizzle | cogwheel could even sell macros ;) |
| 04:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd sooner have server-side macros though |
| 04:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Macro portability is a major pain when you have more than one computer |
| 04:54.55 | Zootfizzle | Be careful what you wish for. |
| 04:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just gonna stop there before I push my luck :) |
| 04:55.30 | kergoth | wtb a greasemonkey script or server side filter to hide all saeris addons from the wowi addon lists |
| 04:55.44 | durcyn | eh, i just rsync my wtf directories to a central repo, works fine |
| 04:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | durcyn: yup. Sadly one computer is linux, the other is windows. |
| 04:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | So... :) |
| 04:56.07 | durcyn | so? the format's the ame |
| 04:56.09 | durcyn | same* |
| 04:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but I'm not touching rsync on windows :P |
| 04:56.25 | durcyn | my clients are osx and win32, the fileserver's linux, wtf is portable |
| 04:56.31 | durcyn | so use robocopy to a samba share |
| 04:56.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And actually I recall the real reason I didn't do that |
| 04:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm using three different resolutions, and am far too apathetic to selectively copy/not copy files |
| 04:57.02 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: Use Wuala when it comes out! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2372664863607209585 |
| 04:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: kinda makes me wish I had flash installed so I could watch that |
| 04:57.36 | durcyn | i move back and forth between 2560x1600 and 1920x1200 and whatever windows resolution is on either, scythe, as long as the UI scale is the same nothing really breaks |
| 04:57.45 | durcyn | windowed rather |
| 04:57.55 | durcyn | try it =P |
| 04:57.59 | Zootfizzle | It's Google's p2p secure intarwebz distributed file system. |
| 04:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Tempting |
| 04:58.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that sounds far too cool not to fire up the windows box and watch it |
| 04:58.44 | Zootfizzle | It's like 50 minutes long, be warned |
| 04:58.49 | kd3 | whuh, using something other than the gmail drive hackery? |
| 04:59.36 | ScytheBlade1 | O |
| 04:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | *I'll bookmark it and watch it tomorrow |
| 05:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That kind of thing really interests me |
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| 05:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | But no, I haven't been taking lessons from cog ;) |
| 05:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just my general forum sarcasm |
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| 05:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhat racist Tempest Keep strategy guide: http://darkzero.org/img/TK/ (three entire images) |
| 05:08.13 | kd3 | bah, where's the SSC elevator strategy guide pic? |
| 05:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually sec |
| 05:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | He's got one for that too |
| 05:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (I think) |
| 05:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, he doesn't, but I'm getting that fixed |
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| 05:11.10 | lagger | anyone good at spanish here |
| 05:11.49 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:11.59 | kd3 | ah, found my local copy... http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6269/gallery52310512oz3nq1.png |
| 05:12.02 | Shirik | someone in the forums is looking for details on the "/run if" command |
| 05:12.04 | Corrodias | Unified Dimension Theory (i wonder if the writers of the games worked this hard on explaining to themselves how this all worked) |
| 05:12.12 | Shirik | I think someone needs to help him realize the "if" is not part of the command >.> |
| 05:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, that is pretty good |
| 05:13.35 | Jinivus | haha |
| 05:15.28 | Shirik | kd3, that's awesome |
| 05:16.06 | Corrodias | arbiter-resonant theory? |
| 05:16.27 | Corrodias | this will teach me never to take an interest in time/dimension travel stories again |
| 05:16.31 | Shirik | Forbidden |
| 05:16.31 | Shirik | You don't have permission to access /services/student/transcripts.hperl on this server. |
| 05:16.36 | Shirik | I'm not allowed to look at my grades T_T |
| 05:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | hperl? |
| 05:16.55 | Shirik | dunno |
| 05:17.04 | Shirik | IT has a tendency to be.... strange |
| 05:29.38 | Corrodias | pocket dimensions, time-traveller immunity, and a multi-dimensionally aware planet... |
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| 05:57.19 | MentalPower | Zootfizzle: the invite code still works :) |
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| 06:03.16 | Guillotine | So does anyone have significant experience with PvP disc priest? Torn between the normal healing badge cloak and haste badge cloak. Not sure if the 1% haste or 6mp5 is better for me |
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| 06:06.57 | MentalPower | Guillotine: sorry, I play a shadow priest, and he's not 70 yet either |
| 06:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ xkcd |
| 06:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That right there is how you do it |
| 06:10.03 | Fisker- | come on |
| 06:12.19 | Guillotine | hahaha |
| 06:12.22 | Guillotine | that is awesome |
| 06:17.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:18.02 | Shirik | is that package available in portage? |
| 06:18.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:18.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 06:18.42 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 06:18.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:19.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But that said it's a great ide |
| 06:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *idea |
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| 06:20.14 | Shirik | "If he's hitting ctrl-c during negotiations, do the field agents just hold onto the children indefinitely, or would the autoconfig send abort orders?" |
| 06:21.08 | MentalPower | dunno |
| 06:21.17 | MentalPower | prolly send abort orders |
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| 06:21.23 | MentalPower | since its sigint |
| 06:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep reading |
| 06:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It becomes AWESOME |
| 06:21.29 | MentalPower | not sigterm |
| 06:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, by pressing CTRL-C and sending SIGINT, he's interrupting the WIFI Autoconfig process. I expect it will kill the AI field agents it had forked earlier. Since these agents had previously inherited the children, they're now the children's parents. Since the parents are being quickly killed, the children now become zombies. |
| 06:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what happens to the children. |
| 06:22.15 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:22.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:22.18 | MentalPower | oh so bad... |
| 06:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And yet oh so awesome |
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| 06:27.20 | zenzio | "And each target, after being stabbed in the throat, suddenly finds the will to expound at great length about how misguided your actions are. It’s certainly polite of the six or more armed guards that are always right there to stand and wait while your dying target monologues the story forward." |
| 06:27.24 | zenzio | lol |
| 06:31.57 | cladhaire | Shirik: pong? |
| 06:31.57 | Shirik | hey, quick question |
| 06:31.58 | Shirik | does mac os have fork()? |
| 06:32.41 | Guillotine | I don't know if theres a fork, but I can guarantee that there is no spoon() |
| 06:32.55 | Shirik | why do people keep saying things like this >< |
| 06:33.22 | Guillotine | We're geeks. We're required to make Matrix jokes |
| 06:33.48 | Guillotine | Its one of the 0xA commandments |
| 06:33.55 | Shirik | >< |
| 06:34.01 | Shirik | why do I laugh at these! |
| 06:34.10 | kd3 | lol |
| 06:35.54 | Shirik | as far as I can tell mac os is POSIX compliant |
| 06:35.58 | Shirik | I just don't know for sure |
| 06:36.04 | Shirik | specifically all I need is fork/select/read/write |
| 06:36.12 | Shirik | oh and kill |
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| 06:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | "Leopard is an Open Brand UNIX 03 Registered Product, conforming to the SUSv3 and POSIX 1003.1 specifications for the C API, Shell Utilities, and Threads. " |
| 06:44.12 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html |
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| 06:52.32 | Guillotine | night all |
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| 07:02.28 | Jinivus | Hmmmz |
| 07:04.19 | Shirik | so |
| 07:04.28 | Shirik | people on my server are reporting that durn the hungerer appears as a female orc? |
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| 07:05.07 | cladhaire | hawt |
| 07:05.50 | Shirik | LOL |
| 07:05.53 | Shirik | ss from guildie: http://i31.tinypic.com/15wml38.jpg |
| 07:06.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: oh man, beer goggles ftw |
| 07:06.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:06.46 | NightHawkTheSane | hahah |
| 07:09.41 | Tekkub | there used to be a site that'd pull your armory profile and tell you what upgrades to get... be uber or something... anyone got a link? |
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| 07:13.17 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 07:13.27 | Fisker- | Take 2 can't just put copyright claim on users movies |
| 07:13.29 | Fisker- | madness |
| 07:19.32 | Shirik | Tekkub: be.imba.hu? |
| 07:19.52 | Tekkub | that's the one, thanks |
| 07:21.59 | Shirik | It always says "lol this character can be improved" to me because I refuse to enchant the cloak I'm wearing |
| 07:22.16 | Tekkub | it's giving me "armory is down" bullshit |
| 07:22.20 | Tekkub | but armory's up |
| 07:34.56 | Tekkub | chokecherry wine >> all |
| 07:37.19 | Shirik | sigh |
| 07:37.29 | Shirik | my team really doesn't understand the purpose of an SVN server |
| 07:37.51 | Shirik | Looking in this folder "User Manual" I have several files |
| 07:38.09 | Shirik | "User Manual - SP" "User Manual - Version 1" "User Manual Final" "User Manual - Post Inspection" |
| 07:38.26 | Tekkub | lol |
| 07:39.29 | Shirik | anyway |
| 07:39.30 | Shirik | night |
| 07:40.57 | Fisker- | owned Shirik|zZz |
| 07:43.45 | Tekkub | <hubbub> [tourguide/LightHeadedNPCMapping] TOO SOON DONGLE! YOU'RE CALLING MY ENABLE TOO SOON! |
| 07:43.46 | Tekkub | *eg* |
| 07:44.39 | zenzio | lol |
| 07:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | win. |
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| 07:49.06 | Nevins | Hello. I was told by the people in the wowhead channel to ask the question here: "Does anyone know a way to get a complete list of the profession spells; for example http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=17557 ) |
| 07:49.43 | Nevins | Basically I'm making a UI that looks up the spell ID for each skill in a profession. |
| 07:50.08 | Nevins | I know a few already exist but they don't suit the situation I have. |
| 07:51.11 | Nevins | I basically need every spell entry for each profession. Does anyone know how I would go about getting that? |
| 07:51.30 | Gngsk | Nevins, you mean like without using a library like PeriodicTable? |
| 07:52.01 | Nevins | Okay let me show you with just one skill:(alchemy) |
| 07:52.15 | Nevins | 17557 |
| 07:52.20 | Nevins | 175xx |
| 07:52.29 | Nevins | I would need a list like that. |
| 07:52.45 | Kirov | Gngsk - I think he wants PeriodicTable |
| 07:52.50 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.171 |
| 07:53.15 | Nevins | Arrowmaster is that the entire list? |
| 07:53.28 | Arrowmaster | ask in wowhead |
| 07:53.37 | Nevins | Lol. They pointed me here. |
| 07:53.38 | Arrowmaster | but yes it should be |
| 07:53.49 | Gngsk | Kirov, yah I think so too |
| 07:54.05 | Nevins | What is periodicTable/ |
| 07:54.11 | Gngsk | Nevins, take a look at http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibPeriodicTable-3.1/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-TradeskillResultMats/LibPeriodicTable-3.1-TradeskillResultMats.lua it is prolly what you're after but bigger than you might need |
| 07:54.48 | Gngsk | Nevins, also http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Periodic_Table |
| 07:55.10 | Nevins | Whats this stuff:10713:10648x1;10647x1,11826:7075x1;4389x2;7191x1;3860x2;6037x1,10716:10559x1;10560x1;3860x4;8151x4;1529x2,10545:10500x1;10559x1;10558x2;8151x2;4234x2,10720:10559x1;10285x2;4337x4;10505x2;3860x4,10721:7387x1;3860x4;6037x2;10560x1;7909x2,10724:10026x1;10559x2;4234x4;10505x8;4389x4,10725:10561x1;6037x6;3860x6;9060x2;10558x1;1529x2,10726 |
| 07:55.27 | Arrowmaster | itemids |
| 07:55.28 | Gngsk | itemidxnum needed to make rsult |
| 07:55.29 | Arrowmaster | for mats |
| 07:55.40 | Arrowmaster | just use wowhead |
| 07:55.45 | Nevins | I just need the spell Id. |
| 07:56.01 | Kirov | Nevins - PeriodicTable is all of the spell ids |
| 07:56.26 | Arrowmaster | just use wowhead, since periodictables data is all mined from wowhead |
| 07:58.49 | Nevins | Alright thank you for the help. I don't think I'll be able to use the periodic table but http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.171 (if it's a full list) should make my job easyer) |
| 08:01.22 | Nevins | Does anyone want the list when I'm done for their own records? |
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| 08:09.42 | Kirov | Nevins - PeriodicTable is the list |
| 08:10.17 | Kirov | Nevins - It's a file you include with your addon that you contains the pre-made list for all of that stuff. |
| 08:12.19 | Arrowmaster | you can easyly pull the list from the wowhead source |
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| 08:55.29 | Nevins | Arrowmaster were is the wowhead source? |
| 08:56.20 | Nevins | Kirov I see the periodic table but I actually need the numbers by themselves 18200x1 won't work for what I'm doing. |
| 08:57.30 | MentalPower | Nevins: parse it out |
| 08:57.34 | MentalPower | its not that hard |
| 08:57.46 | MentalPower | (%d+) will do the trick actually |
| 08:57.59 | Nevins | Parse it out? |
| 08:58.13 | MentalPower | you need the numbers by themselves right? |
| 08:58.16 | Nevins | Yeah. |
| 08:58.17 | MentalPower | as in 18200 |
| 08:58.23 | MentalPower | and not 18200x1 |
| 08:58.44 | MentalPower | lua> ("18200x1"):match("(%d+)") |
| 08:58.44 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 18200 |
| 08:58.47 | MentalPower | viola! |
| 08:59.01 | Nevins | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=4389 for example doesn't exist |
| 09:00.02 | Nevins | I don't have a working lua interperter. (besides the game itself) |
| 09:01.37 | durcyn | nevins, what exactly are you trying to find |
| 09:01.39 | Nevins | Also alot of those id's don't work for example the first one I tried on the periodic table 2449x1 doesn't bring up a valid spell entery. |
| 09:01.56 | Arrowmaster | thats because those are itemids not spellids |
| 09:02.30 | Nevins | Right I'm looking for the spell id's for the items. |
| 09:02.42 | durcyn | in what context, crafting? |
| 09:02.50 | Nevins | Professions yes. |
| 09:02.57 | Nevins | I'll give you an example. |
| 09:03.12 | Arrowmaster | so look at the page source |
| 09:03.13 | Nevins | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=2329 |
| 09:03.35 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.171 |
| 09:03.38 | Arrowmaster | view source |
| 09:03.58 | durcyn | i don't believe there exists a library that matches item IDs up with the crafting spell IDs that create them, as far as PT/whatever goes |
| 09:04.05 | Arrowmaster | then find the <script></script> block right after <div id="lv-spells" class="listview"></div> |
| 09:05.09 | Nevins | icon:'INV_Potion_95'};_[7836]={icon:'INV_Drink_12'};_[8240]={icon ect? |
| 09:05.17 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:05.25 | durcyn | i do however have a dump from the 2.4.0 spell data dbc file that includes crafting spell IDs |
| 09:05.33 | Arrowmaster | the numbers inside _[ ] should be the spellids |
| 09:07.06 | Arrowmaster | the ones after the var _ = g_spells; line |
| 09:07.31 | Nevins | Didn't work http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=7836 as in the [] is blank |
| 09:08.19 | Nevins | Funny error message tho. |
| 09:09.24 | Nevins | Durcyn do you have a link to that dump? |
| 09:09.28 | durcyn | ffs, just go get pasta's list from http://kyle.13th-floor.org/wow/spells |
| 09:09.32 | durcyn | yeah. |
| 09:10.00 | Arrowmaster | oh you can also get it from the <div class="listview-void"> part |
| 09:10.19 | Nevins | Durcyn that list is really nice. |
| 09:10.27 | durcyn | thank pasta, not me |
| 09:10.46 | Nevins | Thank you. Not exactly what I was looking for but I can figgure it out anyways. |
| 09:10.56 | Nevins | Btw have we met before on another irc? |
| 09:11.14 | Arrowmaster | that list probably wont help much |
| 09:11.18 | durcyn | i believe i facepalmed at you a few times in #wowace |
| 09:11.48 | Nevins | Oh right. Well I ended up reading the lua pil. At least the parts I needed. |
| 09:11.59 | Nevins | I can pretty much make the macros I want now. |
| 09:12.52 | Nevins | Checking that now arrowmaster. |
| 09:16.45 | Nevins | That works arrowmaster thank you now I just have to cut that code out and put it in a for loop to remove all the extras. |
| 09:17.03 | Nevins | Should save a ton of time on the finger cramping cut and paste. |
| 09:17.13 | Nevins | Thank you. |
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| 09:44.27 | Nechckn | Anyone... real quick, how long does a full Strat run take? |
| 09:46.16 | Gngsk | solo or? |
| 09:46.18 | durcyn | uh, takes me 15ish to two box rivendare at 70, ymmv |
| 09:52.24 | Nechckn | sorry... was in the game... for a group o' 60s |
| 09:52.33 | Nechckn | It's been forever since I've been even near it |
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| 09:53.15 | Nechckn | 2 box info helps alot- looks like we'll have an escort. Thank you! |
| 09:57.50 | Kirov | Nechckn - somewhere between 35 minutes to 5 hours |
| 09:57.55 | Kirov | depending on the group |
| 09:59.38 | Nechckn | meh... group is sort of sketchy anyway |
| 09:59.48 | Nechckn | I think sleep may be a better option hehehe |
| 10:00.02 | Kirov | which side? |
| 10:00.07 | Kirov | and from what entrance? |
| 10:00.12 | Kirov | that makes a big difference |
| 10:01.46 | Nechckn | I dunno.. hmm Yep, not going. =) Better saved for when it's a decent PUG and I'm not snoozing on the kybd =) |
| 10:02.14 | Kirov | a group of just 60 somethings from the main entrance doing the undead side, you're looking at 1 1/2 min |
| 10:02.38 | Kirov | doing humans, hour if you're lucky. |
| 10:02.38 | Nechckn | I know what you mean- and with how this dude was talking.. I think he may be running 2 of the toons and the 70, so not too good. |
| 10:03.16 | Kirov | I did a 5 hour durnhold run recently |
| 10:03.20 | Kirov | that sucked |
| 10:03.26 | Nechckn | Yow... really? |
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| 10:03.31 | Kirov | it was the daily, so we were locked to it. |
| 10:03.56 | Kirov | We went through around 5 dead-head tanks before we got one who understood cced mobs should not be hit. |
| 10:05.05 | Kirov | 2 of them were litterally breaking sheep "for fun", then getting pissed we were wiping. |
| 10:05.51 | Nechckn | fun, eh? |
| 10:06.00 | Kirov | Others just didn't fathom why they shouldn't be using aoe attacks around sheeps. |
| 10:06.14 | Nechckn | those are the ones you let take aggro, then just not heal 'em or anything =) |
| 10:07.18 | Nechckn | I'm glad I passed- the lead dude was being all wierd... so, better not to- and with that, I'm off for now- appreciate the input and all. |
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| 10:32.30 | Nom- | You use CC in Heroic Durnholde ? |
| 10:32.40 | Nom- | I just aoe tank everything and get a good healer :P |
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| 10:34.53 | Kirov | Nom - we couldn't find a single feral druid / paladin on |
| 10:34.59 | Kirov | just lots of really really dumb warriors |
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| 10:51.43 | Industrial | ~seen cogwheel |
| 10:51.58 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@c-67-180-52-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 12h 22m 37s ago, saying: 'tehrs no gurl cogses :('. |
| 10:53.56 | Fisker- | i can be a girl cog |
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| 11:06.51 | art3mis | so rumor has it that nihlium is selling thier site |
| 11:08.26 | ralfWORK | oh? |
| 11:08.30 | ralfWORK | what's to sell? |
| 11:10.46 | art3mis | a site that gets shitloads of wow related hits ;P |
| 11:10.52 | ralfWORK | ohhh |
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| 11:18.37 | art3mis | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/28/11221/0150/789/504662 |
| 11:22.35 | mikma | har har har: http://www.wowozanga.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/christopher-walken-mask-cutout.gif |
| 11:23.10 | leethal | I'm never on that site |
| 11:29.01 | Industrial | I need some macro halps |
| 11:29.17 | Industrial | I want to make a macro that uses one of my trinkets every 30 seconds |
| 11:29.37 | Industrial | they are both ap trinkets so that would give me 15 sec downtime on 200 AP |
| 11:29.38 | Industrial | :P |
| 11:30.10 | Industrial | I have /user trinket1 /use trinket2 /cast Stormstrike now |
| 11:30.10 | sag_ich_nicht | you can't automate button presses! |
| 11:30.35 | leethal | you'd have to click the button. If you use some timer mod with an API you could call that and have it alert you prolly |
| 11:30.48 | Industrial | but that uses trinket 1 and when the buff is over (10 sec?) uses the other giving me like a min downtime |
| 11:35.29 | _rane | how can i have macros longer than 255 characters? |
| 11:35.57 | sag_ich_nicht | sdaf |
| 11:36.09 | sag_ich_nicht | who the hell is tainting my questwatch frame |
| 11:36.09 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 11:36.41 | sag_ich_nicht | and why is that protected anyway >< |
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| 11:47.53 | haste | it's not protected |
| 11:49.37 | _rane | hmph |
| 11:49.47 | _rane | how can i check if i have certain item equipped? |
| 11:49.59 | _rane | i tried IsEquippedItem(item) but it's not documented |
| 11:50.07 | _rane | and i'm not sure how it works |
| 11:50.34 | sag_ich_nicht | god |
| 11:50.48 | sag_ich_nicht | something is causing some insane amount of tainting in my interface, and i can't track it down |
| 11:50.49 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
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| 11:55.08 | ralfWORK | check for teabags? |
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| 12:02.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ralfWORK: nope, i'm using engbags :P |
| 12:08.06 | ralfWORK | sorry, that was a bad joke :P |
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| 12:36.06 | leethal | http://contentconsumer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/is-ubuntu-useable-enough-for-my-girlfriend/ - nice article |
| 12:41.55 | Saint-N | heh thats great |
| 12:42.03 | Saint-N | it should be part of the install |
| 12:42.14 | Saint-N | accomplish these and you win a linux desktop! |
| 12:42.24 | Saint-N | unless you answer a "hard" question first |
| 12:42.35 | Saint-N | if you fail the ahrd question it forces you through the rest |
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| 13:25.22 | Saint-N | The researchers taught undergraduates mathematical principles they would need to solve future problems. Some were taught using concrete visual examples, like cups filled with water or a pizza cut into slices. Other students learned abstract formulas in terms like "n=x." |
| 13:25.37 | Saint-N | When asked to solve new problems using these teachings, major discrepancies appeared. In one case, abstract-learning students scored an average of 80 percent on a test. Their "real-world" counterparts, however, seemed unable to transfer their knowledge to a new situation, posting only a 44 percent average. |
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| 13:51.46 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: very interesting |
| 13:52.35 | Saint-N | sciam.com |
| 13:52.41 | Saint-N | i lurv that site |
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| 13:54.06 | Gnarfoz | could legendaries ever be disenchanted? like, in the early days? |
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| 13:54.22 | Gngsk | nah |
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| 14:20.55 | Cairenn | morning Bela|work |
| 14:21.18 | Bela|work | morning |
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| 14:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 14:23.24 | Cairenn | :) |
| 14:24.03 | SpiderBK | moinsen |
| 14:28.01 | SpiderBK | when i create a frame with several layers in lua, whats the best way to set the strata/level for each layer? it seems that the level changes randomly o_O |
| 14:29.04 | Kaso | Frame:SetFrameStrata("strata") / Frame:SetFrameLevel(level) ? |
| 14:29.19 | ckknight | cladhaire: ping |
| 14:29.23 | Kaso | that kinda is *the* way to set the strata/level |
| 14:29.37 | SpiderBK | well if i use Frame:SetFrameLevel(level) in the frame creation i get an error:/ |
| 14:29.53 | Kaso | which error? |
| 14:30.01 | SpiderBK | one moment... |
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| 14:31.44 | SpiderBK | attempt to call method 'SetFrameLevel' (a nil value) |
| 14:31.49 | foxlit | (you generally shouldn't need to touch those) |
| 14:32.47 | SpiderBK | well after every reload when i create the frame the layers are in a new order.... |
| 14:32.50 | foxlit | What exactly are you calling "layers"? |
| 14:33.26 | SpiderBK | i create a frame and several chlid textures to it which i call layers |
| 14:33.46 | foxlit | That clears up a few things |
| 14:33.55 | foxlit | First, you can't call SetFrameLevel/SetFrameStrata on textures |
| 14:34.29 | foxlit | those are generally reserved for widgets - frameStrata controls which general level your frame is in (used to determine what goes on top when things overlap but haven't been activated by the user) |
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| 14:34.49 | foxlit | frameLevel allows users to click on widgets to bring them to front |
| 14:35.04 | foxlit | What you actually need is the texture layers |
| 14:36.14 | Kaso | foxlit++ for spotting what was going on. |
| 14:36.28 | SpiderBK | and with texture layers i can controll the levels? |
| 14:36.37 | foxlit | Between the textures in a single frame, yes |
| 14:36.51 | SpiderBK | hmm |
| 14:36.57 | foxlit | I was going to link wiki pages, but they're lacking at best |
| 14:36.58 | foxlit | Frame:CreateTexture(["name"[,"layer"]][,"inheritsFrom"]) |
| 14:37.17 | foxlit | that "layer" is one of several string values: BACKGROUND, ARTWORK, OVERLAY are probably the three you'd want to use the most |
| 14:38.25 | wereHamster | I doubt you can create a character named "arg1O |
| 14:38.36 | wereHamster | wtf? I didn't want to write that |
| 14:38.44 | SpiderBK | barFrame = value["anchor"]:CreateTexture(FrameName.."Layer1", "BACKGROUND"); thats how it looks at the moment, so the BACKGROUND on layer2 has to be ARTWORK to get it on top of layer1? |
| 14:38.45 | wereHamster | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface#Layers_and_Textures |
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| 14:40.37 | Cairenn | morning Seerah |
| 14:41.05 | foxlit | SpiderBK: yes |
| 14:41.17 | foxlit | Generally, you're not guranteed what order textures in the same level are composed in |
| 14:41.38 | foxlit | But you are guaranteed that OVERLAY is always on top of ARTWORK which is always on top of BACKGROUND. |
| 14:42.11 | Kaso | i wish there were more layers for textures, the current few always feel so limiting |
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| 14:42.49 | SpiderBK | hmm can LOW,MEDIUM,HIGH also be used? |
| 14:42.58 | foxlit | no |
| 14:43.06 | foxlit | Those are frameStrata values |
| 14:43.06 | SpiderBK | :/ |
| 14:44.02 | SpiderBK | wtb one more layer level:/ |
| 14:45.07 | SpiderBK | so when layer2 has layer1 as parent and both have the same layer level, it will also change randomly which is in front? |
| 14:45.24 | Fisker- | ses i biva foxlit |
| 14:47.38 | foxlit | SpiderBK: assuming both layer 2 and layer1 are textures, you can't parent them to each other |
| 14:48.42 | SpiderBK | hmm so when i use barFrame:SetPoint"CENTER",FrameName.."Layer1","CENTER"); |
| 14:49.06 | SpiderBK | the parent value doesent do anything? |
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| 14:49.30 | foxlit | There isn't a parent value in that call, really |
| 14:50.01 | SpiderBK | isnt it obj:SetPoint(point, parent, relativepoint)? |
| 14:50.05 | foxlit | (and it should really whine at you for trying to setPoint a parent object to its own child) |
| 14:50.23 | foxlit | obj:SetPoint(point, anchorObj, relativePoint) |
| 14:50.38 | foxlit | essentially, you're anchoring object's point to anchorObj's relativePoint |
| 14:51.10 | foxlit | So your code reads "move barFrame so that it's center is the center of FrameName.."Layer1" |
| 14:51.52 | foxlit | if you wanted to move the texture to the center of the frame it's contained in |
| 14:51.59 | foxlit | you can do tex:SetPoint("CENTER") |
| 14:52.08 | foxlit | or tex:SetPoint("CENTER", parent, "CENTER") |
| 14:52.43 | SpiderBK | whats the difference beteen the last and mine? o_O |
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| 14:53.46 | foxlit | There may not actually be one |
| 14:53.55 | foxlit | (i.e. they achieve the same effect) |
| 14:54.21 | SpiderBK | so that wont affect the layer order right? |
| 14:54.28 | foxlit | you were doing the equivalent of parent:SetPoint("CENTER", parent, "CENTER") |
| 14:54.42 | foxlit | No; that'll only affect the position of the first object relative to the second |
| 14:54.57 | foxlit | [actually, on second thought, tex:SetPoint moves tex, parent:SetPoint moves parent -- I think] |
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| 15:09.00 | Bela|work | they should add a layer level within layers |
| 15:09.24 | Lopeppeppy | Why is this discussion of layers making me hungry? |
| 15:09.36 | Bela|work | lasagna? |
| 15:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | Cake |
| 15:09.47 | Bela|work | mmm |
| 15:10.51 | Lopeppeppy | Meep! |
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| 15:11.16 | Lopeppeppy | Gnomish females are like onions. We have layers, and you will cry if you disturb us in our peaceful repose! RAWR! |
| 15:11.37 | ckknight | ...lol |
| 15:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. *purr* |
| 15:12.59 | Lopeppeppy | Not in public, darling, not everyone has bought a ticket. |
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| 15:15.13 | cog|work | most of 'em can't afford it imo |
| 15:15.36 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:16.02 | Saint-N | and when they get old they get all soft and have little puple hair clumps all over them |
| 15:16.30 | Saint-N | purple even |
| 15:16.38 | Kaso | http://xkcd.com/251/ makes me smile so much |
| 15:17.05 | Saint-N | heh |
| 15:17.17 | Kaso | its old but awesome |
| 15:17.27 | Saint-N | cuz we've all been there |
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| 15:18.20 | ckknight | today's xkcd is pretty funny |
| 15:20.33 | End | yea |
| 15:22.36 | Saint-N | that reminds me i havet read order of the stick recently |
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| 15:34.28 | SpiderBK | foxlit: is there an other solution to set the backdrop than Frame:SetBackdrop()? |
| 15:37.22 | TecnoBrat | lol ckknight that comic reminds me of something |
| 15:37.34 | TecnoBrat | 90% of people change their SSID to their last name |
| 15:37.39 | ckknight | k |
| 15:37.43 | TecnoBrat | and their WEP password to their home phone number |
| 15:37.50 | Bela|work | oh gawd |
| 15:37.53 | TecnoBrat | its like ... I know how to use a phonebook |
| 15:37.59 | ckknight | 90% |
| 15:38.11 | ckknight | ? |
| 15:38.17 | Bela|work | I use someone elses phone number |
| 15:38.18 | TecnoBrat | dude, at least 90% of people who change their SSID to their last name use their phone number |
| 15:38.19 | Bela|work | doh |
| 15:38.23 | TecnoBrat | its like dumb |
| 15:38.31 | TecnoBrat | they think they are making it easy to remember, lol |
| 15:38.53 | TecnoBrat | an ISP here tells people to |
| 15:39.41 | Kaso | <TecnoBrat> 90% of people change their SSID to their last name |
| 15:39.50 | Kaso | i assume that means 90% of people who change their SSID |
| 15:39.55 | End | hehe |
| 15:39.58 | Kaso | because im sure 90% of people are on default ssid |
| 15:40.03 | TecnoBrat | yea, lol |
| 15:40.04 | TecnoBrat | sorry :P |
| 15:40.06 | End | linksys is quite common :P |
| 15:40.11 | TecnoBrat | I'm like ... 1/2 awake |
| 15:40.32 | Bela|work | I have seen hotels who don't change their router pw |
| 15:40.36 | Bela|work | lol |
| 15:40.52 | TecnoBrat | I see lots of NETGEARZZZ and GigasetZZZ |
| 15:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I knew the password to my router. *grrrr* |
| 15:41.00 | TecnoBrat | where Z is some random number |
| 15:41.01 | Bela|work | reset it |
| 15:41.11 | Bela|work | and get teh default from the manufacturers website |
| 15:41.48 | TecnoBrat | some dude in the apt I live in has a wide open wifi |
| 15:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much. Yet another moving headache, unless I get froggy and do it some weekend before. |
| 15:42.13 | TecnoBrat | I connected, checked the admin page, default password, and it had 12 active connections |
| 15:42.26 | Kaso | i wish more people had open wifi, share some of the wifi love imo |
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| 15:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | My apartment complex offers free wide open wifi. |
| 15:43.01 | TecnoBrat | I've walked down the road many times with my ipod touch and picked up random wifi :P |
| 15:43.03 | Kaso | ssh tunnel to a wired host for security, and bandiwdth limit hosts that arent on SSH |
| 15:43.16 | Lopeppeppy | I however, shell out for a cable connection so I don't have bandwidth issues. |
| 15:43.30 | Bela|work | my wife dogsits for people sometimes in the neighborhoods near us (she stays the night). She likes to bring her laptop with her because she knows inevitably someone nearby has wide-open wifi, and she can surf |
| 15:44.06 | krka | i think it's hard to find open wifi where i live / work :/ |
| 15:44.28 | Bela|work | iphones make good wifi locators |
| 15:45.13 | Polarina | I just carry my desktop PC around. |
| 15:45.27 | Kaso | i use stumbler on my ipod touch, and i find it sometimes doesnt locate properlly i need to hit refresh a few times to make it work |
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| 15:50.46 | Cairenn | morning Kaelten |
| 15:50.59 | Kaelten | hey |
| 15:51.06 | Cairenn | ltns |
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| 15:52.09 | Cairenn | how goes the move? |
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| 15:55.25 | Kaelten | I'm in huntsville |
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| 15:55.59 | Cairenn | yeah, but last you said, you were still at the hotel |
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| 15:58.58 | Industrial | Anyone know how I can easily see what the "best" weapons/armor are for any character at any specified level (eg 69:P) |
| 15:59.20 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=ty=0:4:13:15;minrl=61;maxrl=69;ub=7;cr=36;crs=1;crv=2.5#0-2+1 |
| 15:59.23 | Industrial | im looking at that |
| 15:59.33 | Industrial | and its telling me random enchant stuff :| |
| 16:00.11 | Industrial | I also have a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25764 right now |
| 16:00.16 | Industrial | and its better then the top one in that list |
| 16:00.34 | Industrial | so um, how i shot web? |
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| 16:12.21 | sag_ich_nicht | http://fmroses.us/personal/fellsabucket/ticket.jpg *facepalm* |
| 16:13.21 | Kaso | wall-of-text |
| 16:14.10 | nevcairiel | its pretty hilarious :P |
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| 16:16.32 | pastamancer | worth reading |
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| 16:17.50 | Legorol | I need emergency PHP help |
| 16:17.55 | Cairenn | morning Legorol, Es |
| 16:18.03 | [melin] | Legorol ok? |
| 16:18.06 | Legorol | I know nothing about PHP, in a bit of a rush so if someone can answer this for me that'd be great: |
| 16:18.16 | Legorol | are variables in PHP typed? is there an equivalent of nil? |
| 16:18.27 | [melin] | nil = null |
| 16:18.35 | Legorol | how do i test if a variable is null |
| 16:18.43 | Legorol | if (var == null)?? |
| 16:18.49 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 16:18.50 | [melin] | if ($myVar == null) { do this; } |
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| 16:18.58 | Legorol | ok, last question: |
| 16:19.21 | Legorol | Getting this error message: Warning: printf() [function.printf]: Too few arguments in blahblah.php, line X. |
| 16:19.21 | foxlit | (also, isset/ is_null |
| 16:19.33 | Legorol | printf is called with a single variable as argument on that line |
| 16:19.41 | Legorol | would i get this error if that variable had null value? |
| 16:19.44 | nevcairiel | you need a format instruction then |
| 16:19.46 | [melin] | checked www.php.net/printf ? |
| 16:20.00 | Legorol | [melin]: nope, sadly i'm really in a rush, i have -3 mins to fix this |
| 16:20.05 | Legorol | i wouldn't have spammed the questions here otherwise |
| 16:20.12 | nevcairiel | whats that line say? |
| 16:20.20 | Legorol | printf($therow["comments"]); |
| 16:20.26 | [melin] | cant really say whats wrong with the printf.. Im an ASP user myself mostly |
| 16:20.29 | foxlit | hey |
| 16:20.29 | nevcairiel | an int? |
| 16:20.29 | Legorol | so i'm suspecting the thing is null or something |
| 16:20.30 | foxlit | drop printf |
| 16:20.32 | foxlit | use print |
| 16:20.35 | foxlit | or echo |
| 16:20.35 | Legorol | supposed to be a string |
| 16:20.46 | Legorol | foxlit: i can't and won't drop anything, i don't have the time to make such changes now |
| 16:20.56 | nevcairiel | just remove the f :P |
| 16:20.59 | Legorol | i just need to know if i can test for null-ness, and if this error could be because the value is null |
| 16:21.05 | foxlit | Yes, it's very time-consuming to place cursor after f and hit backspace |
| 16:21.28 | foxlit | It's more likely to be because printf expects at least one argument |
| 16:21.33 | p3lim | anyone knows the CVar for MultiBarBottomLeft ? |
| 16:21.34 | foxlit | since, you know, it wasnt to format something :) |
| 16:21.36 | Legorol | ok guys, thanks for the constructive helps (that actually answered what i asked), no thanks for the suggestions on what to change |
| 16:21.45 | Legorol | the code is full of printf's of that form and don't error elsewhere |
| 16:22.00 | p3lim | well atleast the button in the InterfaceOptions |
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| 16:22.09 | nevcairiel | printf syntax is printf($format, ...) |
| 16:22.12 | nevcairiel | you have no format |
| 16:22.13 | nevcairiel | just ... |
| 16:22.24 | nevcairiel | if you remove the f and only use print, you dont need a format |
| 16:22.26 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i realise that, except this piece of line is used in about 200 places in the code, and works fine |
| 16:22.30 | Legorol | and works for most of the data |
| 16:22.36 | Legorol | it's just one entry in the database that's screwing it up |
| 16:23.08 | Legorol | so i'm not going to change the use of printf to print everywhere, or insert a format string everywhere, just going to test for null here |
| 16:23.10 | pastamancer | Legorol: using printf with only one argument opens you up to a world of pain |
| 16:23.31 | nevcairiel | heh funny string injections there :P |
| 16:23.31 | Legorol | pastamancer: i realise that, i didn't write this thing |
| 16:23.37 | pastamancer | Legorol: ah, ok |
| 16:23.39 | Legorol | just the coder isn't here and i have to fix it in a hurry |
| 16:23.47 | Legorol | hence my lack of php knowledge |
| 16:23.51 | Legorol | anyway, thanks for the help |
| 16:23.52 | pastamancer | global search and replace! |
| 16:23.58 | nevcairiel | i bet someone had a %s or something in that piece of string |
| 16:23.59 | Legorol | pastamancer: no |
| 16:24.04 | nevcairiel | so printf expects more arguments |
| 16:24.13 | Legorol | nevcairiel: awesome point, thanks, that could be it |
| 16:24.26 | foxlit | printf(null) doesn't throw warnings, anyway |
| 16:24.38 | nevcairiel | if you want a quick fix, just add a "%s" argument on that one line |
| 16:24.41 | nevcairiel | and it shouldnt error |
| 16:24.52 | p3lim | anyone knows the CVar for MultiBarBottomLeft ? |
| 16:25.06 | foxlit | [Changing _just that_ printf to a print still seems better] |
| 16:25.42 | foxlit | Since adding a single argument there will still land you into trouble with all of the other formatting masks |
| 16:25.58 | nevcairiel | hm why? |
| 16:26.10 | nevcairiel | if i do printf("%s", somestring) |
| 16:26.15 | KanadiaN | is there a function to check to see if an item is stackable? |
| 16:26.20 | foxlit | printf("%s %s", "%s") |
| 16:26.27 | foxlit | printf("%d", "%s") |
| 16:26.46 | foxlit | [the second results in 0 - hail the typecasting :) ] |
| 16:27.05 | foxlit | KanadiaN: there's probably a stackSize return from GetItemInfo |
| 16:27.10 | nevcairiel | i meant before that string :P |
| 16:27.11 | nevcairiel | not after |
| 16:27.26 | nevcairiel | printf("%s", somestring) shouldnt be able to error |
| 16:27.32 | foxlit | True :) |
| 16:27.36 | foxlit | but that's just print() :) |
| 16:27.44 | KanadiaN | that would return the current stack size right? |
| 16:27.51 | nevcairiel | dont tell me! :) |
| 16:28.12 | foxlit | KanadiaN: no, since GetItemInfo returns generic information rather than information about any particular stack you may have |
| 16:28.43 | KanadiaN | so then it should return if the item in question can stack to 20 |
| 16:29.02 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 16:29.47 | Fisker- | ~seen kd3 |
| 16:30.07 | purl | kd3 is currently on #wowhead (1d 5h 55m 48s) #wowuidev (1d 5h 55m 48s) #wowace (1d 5h 55m 48s) #wowwiki (1d 5h 55m 48s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 9h 55m 57s, last said: 'lol'. |
| 16:30.12 | Shirik | foxlit: Be careful saying that |
| 16:30.17 | Shirik | (12:24:20) (foxlit) printf(null) doesn't throw warnings, anyway |
| 16:30.32 | Shirik | it's an illegal operation |
| 16:30.58 | Shirik | "If format is NULL, the invalid parameter handler is invoked, as described in Parameter Validation. If execution is allowed to continue, the function returns -1 and sets errno to EINVAL." |
| 16:31.11 | foxlit | What are you quoting? |
| 16:31.33 | Shirik | I'm going to assume we're not talking about C |
| 16:31.58 | End | probably the man page |
| 16:31.59 | foxlit | It's php |
| 16:32.03 | End | oh |
| 16:32.12 | foxlit | null probably gets typecast into an empty string the way that works. |
| 16:32.14 | End | that would be different |
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| 16:34.51 | Legorol | nevcairiel: awesome, you were spot on, there is a % in the string |
| 16:34.59 | Legorol | ok another question, how do i concatenate strings in php? |
| 16:35.16 | foxlit | .. |
| 16:35.34 | foxlit | as in "foo" .. "bar" |
| 16:35.41 | Legorol | that'd be lua, yes |
| 16:35.41 | pastamancer | I think that's the + operator, but I haven't touched php in forever |
| 16:35.55 | Legorol | foxlit: ah ok same in php? |
| 16:36.10 | nevcairiel | i think its one dot in php |
| 16:36.19 | nevcairiel | "a" . "b" |
| 16:36.20 | Shirik | no |
| 16:36.21 | Shirik | it's one dot |
| 16:36.54 | nevcairiel | i need to do more php |
| 16:36.58 | nevcairiel | its been soo long |
| 16:37.01 | Shirik | you were right :) |
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| 16:37.12 | Shirik | next time wait another 10 seconds though so I can be first |
| 16:37.18 | nevcairiel | neva! |
| 16:37.21 | pastamancer | nevcairiel: it's a trap! |
| 16:37.36 | Legorol | Awesome, thanks folks for the crashcourse in PHP. |
| 16:37.44 | nevcairiel | i tried rails recently for web stuff, but its just not for me |
| 16:37.48 | nevcairiel | i dont like automagic-code |
| 16:38.00 | Fisker- | wooo |
| 16:38.01 | Legorol | I'll shoot the original coder. The data is irrevocably nuked thanks to his use of printf with one argument >.< |
| 16:38.01 | Shirik | Legorol, just wait until you get to use the === and !== operators! |
| 16:38.02 | Shirik | They're fun |
| 16:38.02 | Fisker- | exalted with sporeggar |
| 16:38.18 | nevcairiel | i was never sure what to use === for |
| 16:38.22 | foxlit | gr, confused with lua |
| 16:38.23 | Shirik | I had a use for it |
| 16:38.23 | nevcairiel | unless the php manual told me to |
| 16:38.25 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.27 | foxlit | ==== is exactly equals |
| 16:38.30 | foxlit | with less = |
| 16:38.36 | foxlit | == is sort-of-equals |
| 16:38.38 | ralfWORK | it takes time to get used to code that works for you |
| 16:38.43 | nevcairiel | i think i did === TRUE in some cases |
| 16:38.46 | nevcairiel | on DB calls |
| 16:38.46 | Shirik | Problem was I had a function that returns NULL, TRUE, or FALSE |
| 16:38.47 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 16:38.50 | Shirik | and NULL == FALSE |
| 16:38.58 | Shirik | But NULL !== FALSE |
| 16:39.08 | nevcairiel | its like NaN |
| 16:39.09 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 16:39.10 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:39.10 | Shirik | so, I used === to determine which case I was looking at |
| 16:39.11 | pastamancer | I can kinda understand that... lisp has what... 3, 4 different comparison functions |
| 16:39.13 | Shirik | nonono |
| 16:39.16 | Shirik | !== is not the inverse of == |
| 16:39.18 | ralfWORK | foxlit: I thought == is equals and =======!1!!!!1!!!1one is REALLY REALLY equals |
| 16:39.22 | Shirik | != is the inverse of == |
| 16:39.26 | Shirik | !== is the inverse of === |
| 16:39.31 | nevcairiel | obviously |
| 16:39.43 | Shirik | let me see if I can find that script |
| 16:39.44 | foxlit | There's a whole class of things that equals false in php |
| 16:39.57 | nevcairiel | empty strings and 0 |
| 16:39.58 | ralfWORK | I just found an interesting mysql issue today |
| 16:39.59 | nevcairiel | for example |
| 16:40.00 | foxlit | empty strings, 0, null |
| 16:40.17 | ralfWORK | WHERE cs.dateSent = '' |
| 16:40.32 | ralfWORK | that's been in production for years, and has worked fine |
| 16:40.39 | ralfWORK | I moved the site to another (new) machine today |
| 16:40.49 | ralfWORK | have to do WHERE cs.dateSent = '0000-00-00 00:00:00' instead |
| 16:40.51 | nevcairiel | other mysql version maybe? |
| 16:41.00 | ralfWORK | nevcairiel: yea something like that |
| 16:41.23 | ralfWORK | 4.1.20 on the new server |
| 16:41.28 | nevcairiel | old! |
| 16:41.28 | Shirik | here it is |
| 16:41.29 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/86825 |
| 16:41.45 | ralfWORK | nevcairiel: 4.0.24 on the old |
| 16:41.47 | Shirik | the result set of a mysql query |
| 16:41.58 | nevcairiel | yeah only placed i used it was with mysql stuff too |
| 16:42.04 | Shirik | is TRUE if a row was fetched, NULL if no data available |
| 16:42.08 | Shirik | FALSE if error occurred |
| 16:42.14 | ralfWORK | Shirik: hah lame |
| 16:42.19 | ralfWORK | makes sense though I suppose |
| 16:42.37 | nevcairiel | Shirik: NULL and FALSE are both not true though, why do === TRUE? |
| 16:42.47 | nevcairiel | or is null true? o.O |
| 16:42.50 | Shirik | just happened to type it since I did it all at once |
| 16:42.59 | Shirik | no real reason |
| 16:43.09 | Shirik | the === NULL is important though |
| 16:43.10 | ralfWORK | I thought === was "matches and is the same type" |
| 16:43.11 | ralfWORK | or something |
| 16:43.18 | nevcairiel | yeah like that |
| 16:43.43 | nevcairiel | TRUE is a boolean, but if you use == it would cast the other value to boolean too |
| 16:43.50 | nevcairiel | which easily ends up as true |
| 16:44.19 | ralfWORK | wow damn I'm good |
| 16:44.27 | ralfWORK | TRUE if $a is equal to $b, and they are of the same type. |
| 16:44.33 | ralfWORK | (from the PHP site) |
| 16:45.35 | Shirik | I prefer to call them the "equals" and "equivalence" operators, for == and === respectively |
| 16:45.39 | Shirik | but I made up those terms myself |
| 16:45.46 | nevcairiel | you do that alot |
| 16:45.54 | Shirik | it's fun |
| 16:46.02 | ralfWORK | I prefer to not have a need for === |
| 16:46.04 | Cide | I tend to refer to Shirik as "failure" in my head |
| 16:46.12 | ralfWORK | but I suppose one day I'll need it |
| 16:46.24 | Cide | (<3 Shirik) |
| 16:46.56 | Shirik | meh, I got used to it by now |
| 16:47.04 | Shirik | my brain naturally filters out such messages |
| 16:47.26 | Cide | not bad! now, spread your genes and continue evolution |
| 16:47.26 | pastamancer | Shirik: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node74.html 4 different equality checks! |
| 16:47.43 | Shirik | omg don't want to look at this |
| 16:47.49 | Shirik | after all the work I've done on LTL recently |
| 16:47.59 | Shirik | Just had a system test today for our LTL validation system |
| 16:48.04 | pastamancer | LTL? |
| 16:48.10 | Shirik | hm |
| 16:48.12 | Shirik | ~ltl |
| 16:48.21 | nevcairiel | ~wiki ltl |
| 16:48.27 | Shirik | linear temporal logic |
| 16:48.30 | KanadiaN | since the info i want is the 7 str in do i have to pull all 7 to get the str i want? [GetItemInfo(itemName)] |
| 16:48.51 | pastamancer | ah |
| 16:49.09 | Lopeppeppy | The wiki has now officially made me shudder. |
| 16:49.16 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b583e47757554e69b27914b15ffd8d55.jpg |
| 16:49.18 | Shirik | wheeee |
| 16:49.22 | pastamancer | finite state automata? |
| 16:50.09 | Shirik | aye |
| 16:50.21 | Fisker- | btw |
| 16:50.24 | Fisker- | i had a bad dream Shirik :( |
| 16:50.28 | Shirik | it takes a finite state machine model and a given formula and propositions and proves it as true or false |
| 16:50.29 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.34 | Fisker- | dreamt some begger begged for gold |
| 16:50.40 | Fisker- | and then i put up all my 20000g in the trade |
| 16:50.49 | Fisker- | but i pressed trade instead of cancel |
| 16:50.50 | Saint-N | did pastamancer touch you with his noodly appendage |
| 16:50.52 | Shirik | lmao |
| 16:51.02 | pastamancer | Fisker-: you can put 20000g in my trade window anytime! |
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| 16:51.08 | Shirik | woah! |
| 16:51.17 | Shirik | get a room |
| 16:51.26 | Fisker- | with 20000g i don't need a room |
| 16:51.27 | Fisker- | :o |
| 16:51.42 | Fisker- | man |
| 16:51.48 | pastamancer | haha |
| 16:51.50 | Fisker- | Blizzard should decrease crafting times as you level your skill |
| 16:51.51 | zenzelezz | I gave away 10k recently |
| 16:52.12 | Fisker- | Crafting Bolts of Imbued Netherweave for 10 minutes isn't my idea of fun |
| 16:52.16 | Shirik | on a side note |
| 16:52.21 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: RoS? :> |
| 16:52.22 | ralfWORK | Fisker-: agreed |
| 16:52.30 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz :(! |
| 16:52.31 | Shirik | I need someone to test my install package. Preferably someone without visual studio. Needs to be windows. |
| 16:52.42 | ralfWORK | Fisker-: I found that if you can buy netherweave for less than 3g a pop, you can turn it into bandaids and vendor |
| 16:52.44 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: us, too, but we're way short on HoD's |
| 16:52.47 | ralfWORK | I tried that one day |
| 16:52.48 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: at least you dont have to click for every cast, try leveling enchanting with mana oils =P |
| 16:52.48 | KanadiaN | been this done that hope not to do it again |
| 16:52.57 | ralfWORK | 20 minutes of making bandaids to make 5 sucked |
| 16:52.59 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I was with you until "without Visual Studio" |
| 16:53.00 | Fisker- | what do you need HoD for RoS for? |
| 16:53.00 | Gnarfoz | ralfWORK: I'm doing that regularly. people *are* stupid |
| 16:53.07 | Fisker- | been there done that nevcairiel |
| 16:53.07 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: err |
| 16:53.10 | Fisker- | also an enchanter :D |
| 16:53.17 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: Shahraz. |
| 16:53.20 | Shirik | the "without visual studio" isn't entirely necessary, I just wanted to ensure I don't require any strange debugging dlls, etc. |
| 16:53.21 | ralfWORK | Gnarfoz: true enough |
| 16:53.41 | Gnarfoz | what do you need bolts of imbued neatherweave for RoS, though, Fisker-? :D or did you just randomly reply with :( :p |
| 16:53.44 | nevcairiel | I have Visual Studio on both my PC and my laptop, i can still try it though =P |
| 16:53.48 | ralfWORK | bwahhhahahah |
| 16:53.51 | ralfWORK | I'm glad php has a levenshtein |
| 16:53.53 | ralfWORK | method |
| 16:53.58 | ralfWORK | in it's base library |
| 16:54.00 | nevcairiel | levenshtein? |
| 16:54.14 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz we're at RoS but can't actually get to it |
| 16:54.14 | ralfWORK | yea, don't you know w hat that is? |
| 16:54.19 | ralfWORK | don't you use it every day? |
| 16:54.21 | Fisker- | We were supposed to get to him yesterday |
| 16:54.30 | Fisker- | but like 5 people in the raid disconnected all the time |
| 16:54.31 | ralfWORK | I mean this is so handy! |
| 16:54.37 | Fisker- | and the rest were retards @ ghosts on teron |
| 16:54.48 | nevcairiel | its that advanced hamming-distance thing? |
| 16:54.49 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: retards @ teron are fail |
| 16:54.53 | Fisker- | so now we'll probably use the rest of the raid time tomorrow doing gorefiend and bloodboil |
| 16:54.54 | Gnarfoz | ACTUALLY retards are fail. |
| 16:55.00 | ralfWORK | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.levenshtein.php |
| 16:55.00 | Fisker- | and then we'll have to wait for YET ANOTHER reset :( |
| 16:55.25 | nevcairiel | ralfWORK: for password safety? =P |
| 16:55.26 | ralfWORK | nevcairiel: yea this is what it says: The Levenshtein distance is defined as the minimal number of characters you have to replace, insert or delete to transform str1 into str2 . |
| 16:55.50 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: my guild seems to want to go to SSC/TK (because everything in T6 is now dead thanks to our RoS first kill yesterday, save Shahraz of course) because we picked up some new guys who lack gear... |
| 16:56.21 | nevcairiel | ah and for auto-complete stuff |
| 16:56.23 | nevcairiel | very nice |
| 16:56.34 | ralfWORK | nevcairiel: *cough* I was being a smartass |
| 16:56.42 | ralfWORK | there is zero reason for this to be in the base library |
| 16:56.58 | nevcairiel | well probably |
| 16:57.00 | nevcairiel | its still nice :P |
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| 16:57.18 | Fisker- | we went for vashj and lightfathom scepter dropped |
| 16:57.22 | Fisker- | and then a dps druid needed it |
| 16:57.23 | Fisker- | for his heal spec |
| 16:57.28 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 16:57.29 | Fisker- | and had more dkp than the healers :D |
| 16:57.31 | Fisker- | epic drama ensued |
| 16:57.49 | ralfWORK | oh wow |
| 16:57.54 | Fisker- | could've taken it myself though |
| 16:57.56 | ralfWORK | that's pretty funny |
| 16:57.59 | Fisker- | for a spellsurge alternative |
| 16:58.07 | nevcairiel | best druid mace before sunwell though :P |
| 16:58.12 | Fisker- | but i'm still hoping we one day do TK and the mount drops |
| 16:58.21 | nevcairiel | you bid on the freaking mount? |
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| 16:58.27 | nevcairiel | we just roll |
| 16:58.27 | Fisker- | yeah |
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| 16:58.35 | nevcairiel | dkp should go for gear thats useful for raidign .P |
| 16:58.38 | sioraiocht_ | blizzard just sent me a stupid effing email |
| 16:58.46 | Fisker- | Our leaders say that it has a purpose and it's not just for roleplay like other mounts |
| 16:58.47 | sioraiocht_ | demanding to know why i have bank accounts in two countries |
| 16:58.55 | Fisker- | yeah nevcairiel |
| 16:58.58 | Fisker- | said that |
| 16:59.02 | nevcairiel | purpose? |
| 16:59.02 | sioraiocht_ | to which I replied "None of your business, if you want to discuss it call me" |
| 16:59.04 | nevcairiel | whats that? |
| 16:59.08 | Fisker- | the extra speed |
| 16:59.15 | ralfWORK | ... |
| 16:59.17 | nevcairiel | yeah big fat raiding purpose |
| 16:59.18 | Fisker- | i don't care though, don't need gear, i got the most dkp, and i'll have the most dkp |
| 16:59.23 | Fisker- | totally nevcairiel |
| 16:59.32 | Bela|work | you guys don't operate on a nbg + dkp system? |
| 16:59.44 | nevcairiel | by that logic pallys should pass on that because they have a speed cheat on mounts |
| 16:59.46 | nevcairiel | tell him that :D |
| 16:59.54 | ralfWORK | nevcairiel: ohhh good one |
| 16:59.57 | Fisker- | i wouldn't be surprised he would argue that |
| 17:00.01 | Bela|work | our officers would never allow a dps class to take a healer item unless that person was being asked to respec very soon |
| 17:00.07 | Bela|work | to a healer |
| 17:00.15 | nevcairiel | we would never ask people to respec really |
| 17:00.21 | Bela|work | we try not to |
| 17:00.24 | Fisker- | it's never really been a problem Bela|work |
| 17:00.32 | Bela|work | and when we ask, we make sure they are cool with it |
| 17:00.41 | Fisker- | but i guess since we rarely do SSC/TK anyways he saw it as a means to burn his dkp for a good item |
| 17:00.49 | Bela|work | we treat respecs seriously though |
| 17:01.01 | Bela|work | if someone wnats to respec, they have to tryout as that spec |
| 17:01.07 | nevcairiel | our dkp guy would never give it to a dps class if its a healer item |
| 17:01.11 | Bela|work | and prove that they can be viable with it |
| 17:01.53 | Fisker- | thing is we also use that guy for both tanking and healing sometimes |
| 17:03.17 | Lopeppeppy | We've got a good group, if a main healer needs an item, the backup healers (as in, it's their secondary raid role) will pass. If no main healer wants it and it's not contested, a secondary gets it for half-price, so why not wait? |
| 17:03.23 | ralfWORK | I don't like people respecing |
| 17:03.28 | Bela|work | we ask our druids to declare a main spec |
| 17:03.34 | Bela|work | most of our hybrids actually |
| 17:03.35 | ralfWORK | Bela|work: CAT! |
| 17:04.00 | Lopeppeppy | Same here, Bela. |
| 17:04.00 | Bela|work | they can roll on offspec stuff |
| 17:04.02 | Bela|work | but |
| 17:04.08 | Bela|work | not if a mainspec wants it |
| 17:04.21 | zenzelezz | for some reason my former guildies used to call switching main character "rerolling", despite the fact that the other character was already 70 |
| 17:04.33 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: hah weird |
| 17:04.35 | Bela|work | in a way it is |
| 17:04.51 | Bela|work | consider this: you have this person who has been resto since t4 |
| 17:04.54 | Bela|work | and you are now in t6 |
| 17:05.03 | Bela|work | he now wants to respec elemental |
| 17:05.12 | Bela|work | and he has heroic gear |
| 17:05.15 | Bela|work | ... |
| 17:05.42 | zenzelezz | yes? |
| 17:06.08 | Bela|work | yes what? |
| 17:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | It's nearly an entirely different toon at that point. :) |
| 17:06.21 | zenzelezz | I didn't catch the flow of your logic |
| 17:06.22 | Bela|work | do you want an elemental shaman who can barely top 600dps to go with you into BT? |
| 17:06.43 | Legorol | switching spec once you have already progress == switching main |
| 17:06.45 | ralfWORK | god knows I do! |
| 17:06.56 | ralfWORK | and yes, it is switching main |
| 17:07.01 | zenzelezz | it sounded like you were responding to what I said, in which case you seem to have misunderstood what I said |
| 17:07.04 | Legorol | the only advantage that a spec switch has over a character switch is less rep grind |
| 17:07.12 | ralfWORK | switching gear, switching play styles |
| 17:07.17 | Bela|work | well |
| 17:07.25 | Bela|work | yeah I see now you mentioned switching mains |
| 17:07.42 | Bela|work | we consider switching specs and switching mains the same |
| 17:07.44 | ralfWORK | my favorite is "hey guys I've done this on my other toon; I should be fine" |
| 17:08.00 | Bela|work | they both go through the same trial process |
| 17:08.06 | zenzelezz | Bela|work: so did we; but my point was merely the lingo |
| 17:08.27 | Bela|work | lol |
| 17:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | ralfWORK, I hate that. *sigh* It's so different from one class to another that it's just sick. |
| 17:08.37 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: yep |
| 17:08.46 | Bela|work | we had a feral druid recently offer to go resto, and asked if we could switch all the gear he has won recently |
| 17:08.57 | Bela|work | meaning: we charge half price for offspec gear |
| 17:09.03 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: even switching between say 2 DPS classes... still not "the same " enough |
| 17:09.13 | Bela|work | so he wanted all the stuff he was charged full price to become half price, and vice versa |
| 17:09.40 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Not unless maybe it's rogue to stabbity shaman, even that can be a stretch. |
| 17:09.56 | ralfWORK | naw not even close |
| 17:10.02 | zenzelezz | god damnit Java, I told you not to freaking check for updates |
| 17:10.04 | foxlit | Hah, things are so much easier here |
| 17:10.20 | ralfWORK | rogue -> dps warrior maybe |
| 17:10.25 | ralfWORK | it's all just way too different |
| 17:10.26 | ralfWORK | hell |
| 17:10.29 | foxlit | You pay the difference between the most expensive item you bought with DKP for that slot and the item you're buying now |
| 17:10.36 | ralfWORK | arms warrior -> fury warrior is completely different |
| 17:10.37 | Lopeppeppy | There are some serious aggro dump issues rogue ---> fury though |
| 17:11.05 | ralfWORK | oh well yea |
| 17:11.16 | ralfWORK | that red bar is aggro bar, you need to keep it as low as possible ;) |
| 17:12.34 | Lopeppeppy | But not by spamming the moves that use the most of it.... |
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| 17:15.57 | ralfWORK | omg omg |
| 17:16.00 | ralfWORK | so fail |
| 17:18.30 | Bela|work | we have this dps warrior that fails so bad at threat |
| 17:18.39 | Bela|work | he literally dies within seconds if he doesn't have salv |
| 17:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | They all do. *sigh* |
| 17:18.47 | Bela|work | and he whines if he does'nt get salv immediately when it falls |
| 17:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | So does mine. |
| 17:19.02 | Bela|work | yeah but its to the point of annoyance |
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| 17:19.14 | Bela|work | we can be in the middle of a fight and he goes "I need salv now, where is the paladin?" |
| 17:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I've threatened to put mine on Ignore if he doesn't shut up. |
| 17:19.49 | ralfWORK | does he have sub on his cloak? hahahahaha |
| 17:19.50 | Bela|work | and when I call him on it, he is like "You don't understand" |
| 17:20.01 | Lopeppeppy | He's so bad that I won't burden any of my paladins with him. I buff the warriors and deal with him myself. He also claims I dont' understand. |
| 17:20.02 | Bela|work | and I say "HELLO <-- shaman. My threat wipe is to die and ankh" |
| 17:20.34 | Lopeppeppy | Doofusi. *nod* |
| 17:20.46 | ralfWORK | just SS him and be done with it |
| 17:20.48 | ralfWORK | ;) |
| 17:20.51 | Bela|work | lol |
| 17:21.05 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. He can run and whine. Soulstones are for... *gasp* The rezzer! Me! |
| 17:21.05 | Bela|work | the thing is |
| 17:21.10 | ralfWORK | Crysli: grats! |
| 17:21.14 | Crysli | thanks! |
| 17:21.15 | Bela|work | I intentionally taught myself to manage my aggro WITHOUT USING Omen |
| 17:21.23 | Bela|work | so now its ike second nature |
| 17:21.26 | Saint-N | they still make imacs? |
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| 17:21.40 | ralfWORK | that's kinda like poking yourself with a sharp stick |
| 17:21.41 | ralfWORK | but ok |
| 17:21.49 | zenzelezz | it's always fun to have a soulstone as a tank |
| 17:21.51 | ralfWORK | l2threat, however you do it |
| 17:22.06 | Bela|work | its the same with healing |
| 17:22.18 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: it creeps me out when my tank resses me :( |
| 17:22.18 | Bela|work | I learned to heal without any addons before I started using anything like Healbot |
| 17:22.30 | Bela|work | I know healers that simply fail at healing when their addon fails |
| 17:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm all for the old fashioned way. Die, and you learn. *grin* I had the only rogue in my MC raid group who never yoinked aggro. The others had higher "DPS" than I did, but never higher damage-over-entire-raid. :) |
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| 17:22.58 | zenzelezz | half my guild ran 30+ addons |
| 17:23.13 | zenzelezz | and complained about FPS problems in raids |
| 17:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | When Benecast broke back in the swap to 2.0, it crippled my raid group healers. Crippled them. I totally laughed. |
| 17:23.25 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: one thing that raiding has taught me is that dmg > dps :) |
| 17:23.36 | Bela|work | lrn2hotkey |
| 17:23.54 | Bela|work | that depends ralfWORK |
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| 17:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | I had swapped to hotkeys and Clique by then, but no one listened to me! |
| 17:24.01 | Bela|work | some fights require dps |
| 17:24.12 | ralfWORK | s/raiding/leading raids/ |
| 17:24.12 | Bela|work | due to time limits, like enrage timers |
| 17:24.27 | zenzelezz | yes, but too much DPS often leads to your DPS dropping to 0 |
| 17:24.41 | Bela|work | well yeah |
| 17:24.51 | Bela|work | but its always the tanks fault |
| 17:24.55 | Bela|work | or so I hear |
| 17:25.01 | Bela|work | not enough threat gen |
| 17:25.03 | zenzelezz | push your DPS, not your luck |
| 17:25.20 | ralfWORK | easier to find mouthbreathers by their dmg |
| 17:25.38 | ralfWORK | than to find by DPS |
| 17:25.52 | ralfWORK | I know plenty of people who have high dps |
| 17:25.56 | ralfWORK | and live through the entire fight |
| 17:26.00 | ralfWORK | yet their damage is shit |
| 17:26.55 | ralfWORK | Bela|work: I should qualify that; most meters and I believe WWS considers DPS as "damage done while casting" or somesuch |
| 17:27.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, there's something wonky with the ticks of damage from some DoTs, etc. |
| 17:27.29 | ralfWORK | which means |
| 17:27.37 | ralfWORK | if you have a 5m fight, and you wait until 2m in |
| 17:27.42 | ralfWORK | and just zerg till OOM |
| 17:27.47 | ralfWORK | you win at DPS! |
| 17:29.24 | ralfWORK | which is a total lie |
| 17:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | 85% of statistics are totally made up? |
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| 17:30.16 | ralfWORK | hah. right |
| 17:30.19 | Crysli | You made that up >=O |
| 17:30.30 | Lopeppeppy | ZOMG, I'm totally busted. |
| 17:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | Never trust a Sicilian. |
| 17:32.07 | ralfWORK | not when death is on the line |
| 17:32.17 | Crysli | He'll ninja your loot and make up statistics. |
| 17:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | I never ninja loot. My DKP is too low. :) |
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| 17:38.08 | Saint-N | also dont wage a land war in asia |
| 17:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | And get immunity to various exotic poisons. *nod* |
| 17:39.36 | Saint-N | like chamomille? |
| 17:40.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, seriously, that crap is deadly. |
| 17:40.19 | Lopeppeppy | But I was thinking of nutmeg, honestly. |
| 17:40.26 | ralfWORK | nutmeg'll do it |
| 17:40.44 | Lopeppeppy | I always keep some raw nutmeg in the house. |
| 17:40.55 | Saint-N | if you plant 2 cups of nutmeg in 4 days a puppy will grow |
| 17:41.08 | ralfWORK | o rly? |
| 17:41.37 | Saint-N | yesh |
| 17:41.45 | ralfWORK | I shall try that soon! |
| 17:42.02 | Saint-N | it might be a puppy ....... OF THE UNDEAD! |
| 17:42.13 | Saint-N | but a puppy none the less |
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| 17:42.58 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/dsc_0034.jpg |
| 17:43.01 | Kaso | pile of bibles next to a pile of AR15s, a somewhat disturbing image |
| 17:43.13 | ralfWORK | wow |
| 17:43.14 | ralfWORK | well |
| 17:43.21 | ralfWORK | how else are you going to crusade? |
| 17:43.39 | Kaso | heh |
| 17:43.52 | pastamancer | the rapture cometh |
| 17:43.56 | Kaso | Im not sure where its from, it'd love some context |
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| 17:44.35 | pastamancer | I doubt it would be as funny with context |
| 17:44.47 | Kaso | yah, probally |
| 17:45.45 | Kaso | Im only taking it on the orginal poster's word that those books are bibles, you cant really see the cover |
| 17:45.56 | Saint-N | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID-Ten-T_Error |
| 17:46.08 | Kaso | they sure look like them, but prob will end up being something bording like service manuals for the guns |
| 17:46.17 | Lopeppeppy | I have some cool editions of classics that look just like that. War and Peace. |
| 17:48.15 | KanadiaN | how can I get the ItemID from name or link? |
| 17:48.28 | Kaso | some nice regex will do that |
| 17:50.24 | Kaso | itemID = linkString:match("|%x+|Hitem:(%d+):%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+|h%[.+%]|h|r") |
| 17:50.56 | KanadiaN | ty |
| 17:50.59 | Kaso | ofc you could truncate that to just "item:(%d+)" |
| 17:52.24 | Guillotine | and then use GetItemInfo |
| 17:52.33 | KanadiaN | you mean to itemID = linkString:match("item:(%d+)") .. sorry extreamly new |
| 17:53.01 | Guillotine | that works |
| 17:53.15 | Guillotine | !api GetItemInfo |
| 17:53.15 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetItemInfo' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 17:53.34 | Guillotine | oh, the real one works in PMs now -_- |
| 17:53.42 | Guillotine | itemName, itemLink, itemRarity, itemLevel, itemMinLevel, itemType, itemSubType, itemStackCount, itemEquipLoc, itemTexture = GetItemInfo(itemID or "itemString" or "itemName" or "itemLink") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 17:54.03 | KanadiaN | I got allt he GetItemInfo stuff fine |
| 17:54.41 | Guillotine | actually, technically you could just pass the link to GetItemInfo and get all the info from there |
| 17:54.48 | KanadiaN | you would think they would include the ItemID if use use a ItemName int he GetItemInfo |
| 17:54.51 | Saint-N | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 17:55.18 | Shot | Are there any global colour values for hostile/neutral/friendly? |
| 17:55.47 | KanadiaN | red/gray/white? |
| 17:56.06 | Saint-N | red yellow green |
| 17:56.28 | KanadiaN | is yello not unfriendly |
| 17:56.33 | Shot | yes, I'm using pure red yellow green atm - but they look a little harsh |
| 17:56.54 | Kaso | they are somewhere, i just cant remeber where exactly >.< |
| 17:56.55 | Shot | I wondered if there were any softer colours set in a global somewhere |
| 17:56.55 | Polarina | Is it possible to get list of all frames that inherit a certain XML template? |
| 17:57.13 | Shot | no list of global vars on wiki anywhere? |
| 17:57.19 | KanadiaN | well i think it is more like drkred |
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| 18:01.42 | Kaso | >.< i know there are some color globals somewhere |
| 18:02.04 | SpiderBK | can someone tell me why only the edgesize value changes the border and the other values do nothing? barFrame:SetBackdrop({bgFile="Interface\\Tooltips\\UI-DialogBox-Background", edgeFile="Interface\\DialogFrame\\UI-DialogBox-Border", tile=true, tileSize=32 , edgeSize=32, insets={ left=5, right=5, top=5, bottom=5}}); |
| 18:02.11 | Kaso | there's ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS for items |
| 18:02.27 | Kaso | also GRAY_FONT_COLOR/GREEN_FONT_COLOR/RED_FONT_COLOR |
| 18:02.35 | Kaso | but still their not quite what we're after |
| 18:03.36 | Kaso | you could use; COMBATLOG_DEFAULT_COLORS.unitColoring |
| 18:03.50 | Kaso | from Blizzard_CombatLog.lua:33 |
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| 18:05.19 | Shirik | Kaso: What colors are you looking for? |
| 18:05.54 | Kaso | shot was looking for a global holding the red/orange/yellow/green used for unit coloring |
| 18:06.10 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:06.18 | Shirik | it's interesting finding a global "TomTomLocals" |
| 18:06.20 | zenzelezz | UnitReactionColor = { ... } in TargetFrame.lua |
| 18:06.26 | Cide | Shirik: haha, that's great |
| 18:07.28 | zenzelezz | they're pretty bright colors; the default UI makes them less so by using them as vertex coloring on a greyscale shaded texture |
| 18:07.48 | Kaso | zenzelezz, >.< i was regexing for a allcaps global with color in the title, trust blizzard to not follow the standard for this one |
| 18:08.06 | KanadiaN | for some reason I still can't get the itemID. do i have to put the like ina var called linkString? |
| 18:08.17 | Kaso | yes |
| 18:09.33 | KanadiaN | thank you.... sometimes I can have a head thicker then rock O.O |
| 18:10.13 | Saint-N | what about lead |
| 18:10.17 | Saint-N | is it thicker than lead? |
| 18:10.31 | KanadiaN | well that as well ^.^ |
| 18:10.50 | Kaso | surely your head is the same thickness dispite what it is made of? density of material doesnt change its physical dimentions |
| 18:10.52 | KanadiaN | or would make a good boat ancher |
| 18:13.20 | Shot | ty zenzelezz :) |
| 18:13.55 | Shot | now then |
| 18:14.01 | Cide | Kaso: it does if the mass remains constant! |
| 18:14.03 | Shot | what does virtual="true" do to a frame? |
| 18:14.11 | Cide | Shot: it makes it a template |
| 18:14.26 | Shot | for use with inherits= ? |
| 18:14.26 | Kaso | thats a fair point |
| 18:14.30 | Cide | yes |
| 18:14.42 | Shirik | does anyone see what's wrong with this? |
| 18:14.48 | Shirik | lua> /run done={},p="" scan=function(_G)if done[_G]then return end done[_G]=true for k,v in pairs(_G)do if type(v)=='table'and(v.r and v.g and v.b) then ChatFrame1:AddMessage(p..k)elseif type(v)==table then local o=pfx p=k scan(v)p=o end end end scan(_G) |
| 18:14.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '/' |
| 18:14.52 | Shirik | lua> done={},p="" scan=function(_G)if done[_G]then return end done[_G]=true for k,v in pairs(_G)do if type(v)=='table'and(v.r and v.g and v.b) then ChatFrame1:AddMessage(p..k)elseif type(v)==table then local o=pfx p=k scan(v)p=o end end end scan(_G) |
| 18:14.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '=' |
| 18:15.00 | Cide | yes |
| 18:15.00 | Shot | Seems odd to require it to be set, I would have assumed a frame could inherit any other frame |
| 18:15.03 | Saint-N | me too |
| 18:15.03 | Antiarc | Shirik: ack, pastey with formatting! |
| 18:15.04 | Cide | first 5 letters |
| 18:15.04 | Shot | Ah well |
| 18:15.07 | Shot | life goes on |
| 18:15.12 | Cide | Shirik: semicolon, not comma |
| 18:15.15 | Cide | done={},p="" |
| 18:15.16 | Cide | there |
| 18:15.18 | Shirik | ah damn it |
| 18:15.22 | Shirik | stupid C has rotted my brain |
| 18:15.28 | Shirik | Antiarc: macro :P |
| 18:15.37 | Cide | (or done, p = {}, "") |
| 18:15.44 | Antiarc | well, make it work with formatting, and then minify it :P |
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| 18:15.57 | Cide | imo |
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| 18:16.04 | mikma | hi Antiarc |
| 18:16.08 | Shirik | that's what I meant, Cide :) |
| 18:16.14 | Antiarc | heya mikma |
| 18:16.35 | Shirik | like my local _G? |
| 18:16.38 | Cide | >>> http://wow.pastey.net/86828 |
| 18:16.39 | Shirik | that becomes not _G? |
| 18:16.41 | KanadiaN | is ~= mean the same as in the php !=? |
| 18:16.44 | Cide | >>? http://wow.pastey.net/86828 |
| 18:16.45 | Cide | Cide: [string "done={},p="" scan=function(_G)if done[_G]then return end done[_..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '=' |
| 18:16.51 | Shirik | yes, KanadiaN |
| 18:17.07 | Kaso | what does the >>? do differently from >>> |
| 18:17.14 | Shirik | validates but does not run |
| 18:17.42 | KanadiaN | sorry for all the lame questions. just trying to get a better understanding |
| 18:17.52 | Kaso | ah running it thought luac i guess? |
| 18:18.00 | Cide | Kaso: yep |
| 18:21.54 | SpiderBK | can someone help me with obj:SetBackdrop() ? |
| 18:21.54 | Cide | yes, wowwiki can |
| 18:22.04 | SpiderBK | not really |
| 18:22.09 | Cide | but what's the problem? |
| 18:22.22 | Cide | you aren't trying hard enough then :P I've used it with the help of wowwiki several times |
| 18:22.58 | SpiderBK | well if i change the insets values it only affects the bgfile and the edge is always the same size |
| 18:23.29 | Cide | insets: done={},p="" scan=function(_G)if done[_G]then return end done[_G]=true for k,v in pairs(_G)do if type(v)=='table'and(v.r and v.g and v.b) then ChatFrame1:AddMessage(p..k)elseif type(v)==table then local o=pfx p=k scan(v)p=o end end end scan(_G) |
| 18:23.30 | Cide | err |
| 18:23.33 | Antiarc | edgeSize is what you want. |
| 18:23.36 | Cide | insets: 4 x Number - Controls how far into the frame the background will be drawn (use higher values the thicker the edges are) |
| 18:23.43 | Antiarc | insets are the backdrop insets only :) |
| 18:23.45 | Cide | edgeSize: Number - Control how large each copy of the edgeFile becomes on-screen (i.e. border thickness and corner size) |
| 18:23.52 | Cide | like I said, the wowwiki documentation is fine |
| 18:24.55 | SpiderBK | so how exactly do i change the size of the edge? is it controlled by the frame size? |
| 18:25.07 | Cide | ... |
| 18:25.09 | Cide | edgeSize: Number - Control how large each copy of the edgeFile becomes on-screen (i.e. border thickness and corner size) |
| 18:26.02 | SpiderBK | i can read that but i dont want to change the size. what i want to change is the offset to the frame |
| 18:26.15 | Yssaril | SpiderBK: cant |
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| 18:26.39 | SpiderBK | so the edge is bound to the frame? |
| 18:26.44 | Yssaril | yes |
| 18:26.57 | SpiderBK | and i can only change the background offset? |
| 18:27.08 | Yssaril | correct |
| 18:27.10 | Antiarc | You can't change where the edge is drawn. |
| 18:27.11 | SpiderBK | hmm ok |
| 18:27.17 | Antiarc | It's drawn on...the edge of the frame. |
| 18:27.19 | Yssaril | no need to be able to change both |
| 18:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "Your Amazon.com order has shipped" |
| 18:28.44 | Yssaril | gratz |
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| 18:39.21 | Xuerian | foxlit: Ping |
| 18:40.01 | foxlit | pong |
| 18:40.42 | Xuerian | pm :D |
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| 18:42.46 | KanadiaN | can i use the same method get get the itemID from a name? |
| 18:44.20 | Guillotine | yup |
| 18:44.23 | dylanm | KanadiaN: What are you trying to do? |
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| 18:45.16 | KanadiaN | this -> local itemID = itemName:match("item:(%d+)"); I did it with an itemLink but i can seem to get it to work with an itemName |
| 18:46.50 | dylanm | Why would you expect that to work? |
| 18:47.10 | dylanm | GetItemInfo can get you a link if you have the item. |
| 18:47.54 | KanadiaN | hmm never thought of that to be honest |
| 18:51.15 | Kaso | Oh thats evil! |
| 18:51.21 | Kaso | I was searching for snowboard stuff and Burton.co.uk has the top google ad, so i think oh burton the well known snowboard company and click |
| 18:51.25 | Kaso | BUT NO! |
| 18:51.37 | Kaso | its frigging burton clothing who i dont care about at all, they've gotten their ad to show in snowboard related searches just to exploit their similar names |
| 18:51.42 | kergoth | magictargets has odd indentation |
| 18:51.46 | ralfWORK | lol@ .co.uk |
| 18:52.03 | durcyn | three spaces, kergoth, it's the wave of the future |
| 18:52.18 | Kaso | whats wrong with .co.uk ? :( |
| 18:52.18 | kergoth | its 3 space indent, yes, but it isnt all spaces, either, there are hard tabs used for compression with a tabwidth of 8 |
| 18:52.22 | kergoth | just odd |
| 18:52.40 | nevcairiel | you can set the tabwidth ? |
| 18:52.43 | amro | durcyn: :( why not tabs? |
| 18:52.48 | kergoth | in vim terms, :set ts=8 sts=3 sw=3 noet |
| 18:53.29 | ralfWORK | tabs are for nubs |
| 18:53.33 | ralfWORK | real men expand with spaces |
| 18:54.02 | Cairenn | :p |
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| 18:54.47 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 18:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "Your Amazon.com order has shipped" |
| 18:55.36 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: rarr! |
| 18:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly are you going to do with the? ;) |
| 18:56.34 | Kaso | Ooooooh! |
| 18:56.37 | Kaso | New house tonight |
| 18:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | *them |
| 18:56.37 | Lopeppeppy | Build a shrine. |
| 18:56.44 | amro | ralfWORK: by that same token, real men should be crunching numbers instead of using computers |
| 18:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: win |
| 18:57.02 | kergoth | hahah |
| 18:57.09 | kergoth | wow error: R6025: Pure virtual function call |
| 18:57.39 | Saint-N | copies of what? |
| 18:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "the book" |
| 18:57.51 | Saint-N | ahh |
| 18:58.01 | Saint-N | wowiki in paperform? |
| 18:58.03 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 18:58.22 | Saint-N | did you catch simpsons last night? |
| 18:58.45 | Saint-N | "is that true" "of course it is i read it on wikipedia...and if it's not we can change it when we get home" |
| 18:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol nice |
| 18:59.15 | Saint-N | there were some great jabs in there |
| 18:59.28 | Saint-N | not as good as last years treehouse of horrors though |
| 19:00.01 | ralfWORK | amro: actually, we should be out hunting beasts to eat for dinner |
| 19:00.49 | amro | good point |
| 19:00.58 | Saint-N | i do that |
| 19:01.02 | ralfWORK | but I don't think that's as fun |
| 19:01.02 | Saint-N | you guys are just pussies |
| 19:01.27 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: hey now, I didn't say I *don't* do that |
| 19:01.56 | ralfWORK | I don't need to do it tonight though cause I already killed my dinner at lunch |
| 19:02.06 | Lopeppeppy | Are we going to talk about hunting? |
| 19:02.22 | ralfWORK | yes |
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| 19:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | When you use hunting as a means of subsistence, let me know. Until then, opinions are usually moot and based on vague notions of morality, ethics, and superiority. |
| 19:03.44 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: you didn't actually read what I said then |
| 19:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | What did you kill for lunch? |
| 19:04.30 | ralfWORK | 14:59 <ralfWORK> amro: actually, we should be out hunting beasts to eat for dinner |
| 19:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | But did ya? |
| 19:04.59 | ralfWORK | humor much? |
| 19:05.15 | ralfWORK | I'll be eating like a rabbit tonight; salad |
| 19:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | Nah... *hug* I grew up in a subsistence county, so I have some wildly different views of hunting than most people I know. |
| 19:06.06 | ralfWORK | I grew up vegetarian :) |
| 19:06.40 | ralfWORK | try doing that in cow country |
| 19:06.47 | ralfWORK | it ain't easy! |
| 19:06.59 | Lopeppeppy | Every way of living is unique to the individual. I just have some strong views on hunting/trapping/fishing. What we learn when we're young, huh? |
| 19:07.12 | ralfWORK | it's funny |
| 19:07.21 | ralfWORK | I was vegetarian until I moved out at 18 |
| 19:07.29 | Saint-N | Kang: I'm starting to think Operation Enduring Occuption was a bad idea. |
| 19:07.29 | Saint-N | Kodos: We had to invade. They were working on Weapons of Mass Disintegration! |
| 19:07.29 | Saint-N | Kang: Sure they were! |
| 19:07.56 | ralfWORK | what I learned when I was young is "being vegetarian is great if mom cooks the food 7 nights a week" |
| 19:08.18 | Saint-N | if god didnt want us to eat animals he shouldnt have made them so tastey |
| 19:08.47 | ralfWORK | my favorite vegetarian quote: I'm not vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants |
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| 19:10.06 | Tem | ralfWORK, so, are you still an herbivore? |
| 19:10.13 | ralfWORK | Tem: nope |
| 19:10.15 | Xuerian | People for the Eating of Tasty Animals |
| 19:10.17 | Tem | oh thank god |
| 19:10.25 | Tem | Xuerian, true that |
| 19:10.29 | Tem | meat is so yummy |
| 19:10.40 | ralfWORK | when mom stopped cooking, it became incredibly impractical to be a vegetarian |
| 19:10.52 | ralfWORK | and it's about as simple as that |
| 19:11.05 | durcyn | i went to fogo de chao a few weeks ago, mmmm all you can eat meat. |
| 19:11.28 | ralfWORK | I got tired of being the jackass at the table at Applebee's ordering the burger with no patty |
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| 19:13.55 | ralfWORK | got tired of always having to ask "is there meat in this dish?" and "oh is that chicken stock that's used in the soup?" |
| 19:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | That last one is hard. |
| 19:14.33 | ralfWORK | try being vegan |
| 19:14.35 | ralfWORK | now that shit is hard |
| 19:14.44 | ralfWORK | I tried that for all of 2 weeks |
| 19:14.53 | ralfWORK | that was terrible |
| 19:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... might as well resign yourself to only eating green leafy things. |
| 19:15.01 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 19:15.06 | ralfWORK | no cheese |
| 19:15.12 | ralfWORK | no eggs |
| 19:15.13 | ralfWORK | no butter |
| 19:15.28 | Tem | ouch |
| 19:15.33 | ralfWORK | the eggs and the butter bit actually sneaks up on you. You have no idea how many things have them in it |
| 19:15.46 | amro | yeah. real food comes from animals |
| 19:15.53 | ralfWORK | until you have to read the damn ingredients |
| 19:16.10 | Saint-N | http://www.graboid.com/first-launch/ |
| 19:17.16 | Atriace | are function arguments always local to the function? For instance, say you redefine the value of an argument without specifying it to be a local... it's still a local, right? |
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| 19:18.21 | Polarina | Atriace: Yes. |
| 19:19.26 | Xuerian | Saint-N: "North Park", "Muffy the Werewolf Slayer" "Found" "Hero". Har har |
| 19:21.11 | Saint-N | heh |
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| 19:28.32 | ralfWORK | goddammit |
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| 19:38.21 | Shirik | grrrrr |
| 19:38.28 | Shirik | curse my transcript and all these asterisks! |
| 19:38.38 | Shirik | give me my grades damnit! |
| 19:38.51 | Saint-N | koay that graboid is awesome |
| 19:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | Blocked out for privacy? *confused* |
| 19:39.07 | Shirik | ** is what it says when it doesn't have grades yet |
| 19:39.10 | Shirik | professors being lazy! |
| 19:39.20 | Saint-N | just leeched transformers 2k7 supposedly legally(although i highly doubt its actually legal and not just greymarket legal |
| 19:39.24 | Lopeppeppy | No excuse for that. |
| 19:39.29 | Shirik | CEC 315 01DB Signals & Systems 3.00 **** ** ***** L 01/09-05/01 |
| 19:39.30 | Shirik | EE 224 01DB Electrical Engineering La 1.00 **** ** ***** L 01/09-05/01 |
| 19:39.30 | Shirik | EE 223 01DB Linear Circuits Analysis 3.00 **** ** ***** L 01/09-05/01 |
| 19:39.32 | Shirik | grrrrrrrr |
| 19:39.42 | Saint-N | but leeching at 4MB/s is pretty rad |
| 19:40.16 | Xuerian | diaf |
| 19:40.29 | KanadiaN | is there a pastebin i can use to get help? |
| 19:40.51 | dylanm | KanadiaN: Look at the topic? |
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| 19:42.38 | KanadiaN | ok i amd getting a nil value error on this when i asign a value http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86834 |
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| 19:42.55 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 19:43.11 | Cide | oh |
| 19:43.13 | Cide | nil value error |
| 19:43.21 | Kaso | i think he needs the wowwiki scope tutorial |
| 19:43.30 | Cide | yeah |
| 19:43.32 | dylanm | Pretty much :p |
| 19:43.49 | Cide | KanadiaN: it's because itemID is nil when you're trying to assign price |
| 19:44.00 | mad | cosmos server offline? |
| 19:44.17 | dylanm | You made it local to the block inside "if iLink then ... else". |
| 19:44.18 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_variable_scoping |
| 19:44.22 | KanadiaN | but i am asigning v1 to it |
| 19:44.32 | Cide | no you aren't |
| 19:44.42 | Kaso | read though that link up there imo ^ |
| 19:44.43 | Cide | read the link Kaso gave you and all shall be clear |
| 19:44.56 | dylanm | Think about what local means. This is important. |
| 19:45.14 | Xuerian | Then read Cide's. It's like anal stretching; painful but rewarding. |
| 19:45.23 | Kaso | heh |
| 19:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | xeurian! |
| 19:45.53 | Xuerian | Because doing it twice would cause permanent damage! Bahahahaaha! Ha! ha... |
| 19:45.53 | dylanm | Once might have been too many. |
| 19:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Might be, rabbit, might be. |
| 19:46.30 | mad | lol |
| 19:46.59 | Cide | I am forever scarred |
| 19:47.14 | zenzelezz | *scared |
| 19:47.23 | Cide | that too |
| 19:47.24 | Xuerian | **Scarred |
| 19:47.32 | Xuerian | Scared is just natural. :) |
| 19:47.37 | ralfWORK | basically having to argue with twtelecom on how DNS works |
| 19:47.44 | zenzelezz | don't dereference pointers plix |
| 19:47.50 | dylanm | KanadiaN: Also, your later check for itemID == v1... you probably want "v1" there I'm guessing? And you could combine the two ifs... I mean you're checking the same thing in both essentially. |
| 19:48.17 | Cide | given your errors, KanadiaN, let me go ahead and spare us all the trouble |
| 19:48.22 | Cide | read this and come back later: www.lua.org/pil |
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| 19:48.55 | Cide | (or at least read it for your own sake) |
| 19:49.14 | Cide | I think I need to have that link perma-clipboard'd |
| 19:50.11 | Lopeppeppy | I have a whole set of links for the UI forum that are in a permanent file on my desktop. |
| 19:50.15 | nevcairiel | just do ~pil |
| 19:50.21 | Cide | that's not as fun |
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| 19:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | Aw frell, I just remembered I have to update mods before raiding tonight. Harumph. |
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| 19:57.19 | Shirik | ok, that's just scary |
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| 19:57.41 | Shirik | I'm working at Crayola over the summer for an internship, and I asked google maps to show me where the city is because I forgot |
| 19:57.43 | Shirik | And up pops up: |
| 19:57.45 | Shirik | Popular searches near this location |
| 19:57.45 | Shirik | crayola factory |
| 19:58.08 | luiguik2 | noob allys fdps |
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| 19:58.30 | luiguik2 | for the horda |
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| 19:58.44 | dylanm | What |
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| 20:02.42 | Xuerian | Shirik: Internship for crayola? o.0 |
| 20:02.59 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:03.08 | Shirik | same place I worked last year; sounds strange but they have some interesting projects |
| 20:03.16 | Xuerian | Under liberty of sharing? |
| 20:03.28 | Shirik | They needed someone experienced with a 68HCS12 last year, and I guess I did so well they asked for me back so it's easier than looking for a job :P |
| 20:03.50 | Shirik | The fun part is that designing the circuitry is easy. The hard part is getting it to fit in a pen that's 0.4" wide |
| 20:03.51 | Saint-N | that would be rad |
| 20:03.58 | Shirik | The hard part is the fun part |
| 20:04.13 | Saint-N | you could get us all crayon swag |
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| 20:04.17 | Shirik | and then having your boss tell you "Costs $1.50? Way too expensive!" |
| 20:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 20:04.31 | Shirik | And I was like ".... are you serious? |
| 20:04.50 | Shirik | And then spending the next two weeks trying to see how you can shave off $0.10 from the cost |
| 20:05.17 | Shirik | it's actually quite fun |
| 20:06.04 | Saint-N | i expect free crayons and felts and stuff |
| 20:06.30 | Shirik | interestingly enough |
| 20:06.33 | Saint-N | what would be awesome is making a circuit that can change the colour of the ink that gets written in a felt |
| 20:06.37 | Shirik | they let you buy things at 10% off market cost |
| 20:06.55 | Shirik | But it's more expensive to buy from them than it is to buy at walmart |
| 20:07.02 | Saint-N | so its white or clear normally you press a button for 2 seconds and it starts to cycle through the available colours |
| 20:07.02 | Shirik | walmart loses money for every pack of crayons you buy |
| 20:07.27 | Shirik | But walmart does that because nobody comes in just to buy crayons |
| 20:07.40 | Shirik | you come in and then you get dragged into whatever else they have on the isle |
| 20:07.42 | Saint-N | shirik: make that for me |
| 20:07.58 | Shirik | Saint-N: I made a pen that draws without ink |
| 20:07.59 | Shirik | that ok? |
| 20:08.05 | Saint-N | i guess |
| 20:08.13 | Saint-N | is it a pencil? |
| 20:08.17 | Shirik | no >< |
| 20:08.22 | Kirov | is it made of metal? |
| 20:08.26 | Shirik | negative |
| 20:08.27 | Saint-N | is it chalk? |
| 20:08.31 | Shirik | it draws with an LED |
| 20:08.38 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 20:08.40 | Kirov | that's cheating |
| 20:08.42 | Xuerian | laaaazer |
| 20:08.43 | Saint-N | will it draw on constructionpaper? |
| 20:08.49 | Xuerian | beam. |
| 20:08.50 | Shirik | no you have to use special paper |
| 20:08.52 | Saint-N | lame |
| 20:09.00 | Xuerian | Shirik: Weren't you telling us about this a while back? |
| 20:09.01 | Saint-N | my marker idea is way cooler |
| 20:09.08 | Shirik | Xuerian: Probably; it's what I did last year |
| 20:09.12 | Saint-N | you should seriously make that i bet it would see great |
| 20:09.16 | Shirik | it still won't come out until holiday 2008 though |
| 20:09.19 | Saint-N | specially in prision |
| 20:09.25 | Xuerian | nifty |
| 20:09.25 | Kirov | http://www.grand-illusions.com/acatalog/Metal_Pen.html |
| 20:10.09 | Shirik | that pen probably makes a horrible screeching sound |
| 20:10.26 | Saint-N | hah |
| 20:10.29 | Kirov | supposedly not. |
| 20:12.04 | KanadiaN | thank you i see my error |
| 20:12.36 | zenzelezz | hrm... was trying to type "clear" and it came out as "cleave" o_O |
| 20:13.39 | [melin] | zenzelezz you play too much |
| 20:13.59 | Kaso | KanadiaN scope is fun isnt it :> |
| 20:16.45 | KanadiaN | no I made the block to fix one error that just created another one. not so fun |
| 20:18.39 | Kirov | Scope teaches one of two lessons: More efficient use of information when passing information between different scopes, or "fuck it, I'm making everything global." |
| 20:19.08 | Kirov | (note, that neither are necessarily the right answer) |
| 20:20.37 | KanadiaN | from what I read and understand if just fucks you from changing the local from with in a function inside a code block |
| 20:21.38 | Kaso | as long as the local is declared outside the if block you can change if all you like, the problem with your code was you were declaring it within the if block so it's scope was only as far as that if block and when it ended so did it's existance |
| 20:22.40 | KanadiaN | thats the problem... it was I should have posted more then just the section of code block fromt he function and just posted the function |
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| 20:23.17 | Kirov | option 2 teaches logical variable names |
| 20:23.47 | Kirov | what was the post? |
| 20:24.17 | KanadiaN | ok so my mistake was to first set the var to nill and have it reset in the if block |
| 20:24.55 | KanadiaN | not to have it set inthe if block first |
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| 20:43.01 | foxlit | http://orto.accelart.jp/samples/Xetris/Xetris-en.html |
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| 20:47.27 | foxlit | I can only assume everyone is busy playing tetris :) |
| 20:47.42 | foxlit | [the cool part: java VM in javascript] |
| 20:47.47 | Lukian | foxlit, nice :D |
| 20:48.01 | Lukian | foxlit, yes, you distracted me from my SSO dailies |
| 20:53.04 | Saint-N | i stopped p[laying its like all the other tetris things i dislike |
| 20:53.16 | Saint-N | down doesnt speed drop and the uparrow rotates ;P |
| 20:53.32 | Saint-N | space needs to rotate and down should speed up the fall ;) |
| 20:54.44 | Xuerian | foxlit: I want 10 minutes of my life back |
| 20:54.44 | Lukian | space should instantly drop :D |
| 20:54.55 | Saint-N | that too |
| 20:54.57 | Saint-N | heh |
| 20:55.33 | Saint-N | im too used to the arcade game where direction is movement double tape down is speed/instant drop and a button i use my left hand for rotates them |
| 21:00.35 | Shirik | damn I'm good |
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| 21:00.53 | Shirik | the DKP site for our guild looks perfect, with all the modifications that I did to it behind the scenes to do automated declines, etc. |
| 21:01.09 | Shirik | but behind the scenes, the tables to perform those automated transactions are trashed |
| 21:01.24 | Shirik | because my "undo" script had a + instead of a -, and I have no idea what I added because I deleted that row as part of the undo.... |
| 21:04.12 | Arrowmaster | hmm i cant get my ideazon controller to work with wow since 2.4 it seems |
| 21:04.20 | Arrowmaster | atleast not the binding software |
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| 21:09.03 | Shirik | heh, one of my better typos: http://wowi.pastey.net/86837 |
| 21:09.08 | Shirik | (note: heresiarch is the name of the guild) |
| 21:10.34 | MentalPower | Atriace: yes, its still a local |
| 21:10.47 | MentalPower | Atriace: forget that, I was scrolled up :P |
| 21:12.28 | Kirov | MentalPower - wow, scope is such a yesterday topic. get with the now, dude. |
| 21:12.43 | MentalPower | hush you Kirov :P |
| 21:13.03 | MentalPower | it was a couple of hours ago at the most |
| 21:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | I really really need this rain to stop. I don't wanna melt.... |
| 21:18.45 | MentalPower | zomg, GMail has the number of the beast now: "You are currently using 423 MB (6%) of your 6666 MB." :P |
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| 21:19.25 | Kirov | MentalPower - except the number of the beast is 616 |
| 21:19.44 | Kirov | 666 is an intentional mis-translation |
| 21:19.44 | MentalPower | Kirov: why do you have to ruin the fun? :P |
| 21:19.56 | MentalPower | yeah yeah yeah |
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| 21:21.33 | Kirov | Though, I did notice the other day that the Incandescent Fel Sparks for the Hellfire daily usually hit me for 666 |
| 21:21.45 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 21:21.47 | Shirik | ~wiki 616 |
| 21:22.30 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast |
| 21:22.34 | Shirik | ~wiki 616 (number) |
| 21:22.41 | Shirik | bah |
| 21:22.43 | Kirov | ~wiki Number of the Beast |
| 21:22.48 | Shirik | You know what |
| 21:22.50 | Shirik | purl, you fail |
| 21:22.50 | purl | ACTION slaps you for calling her a failure. |
| 21:23.09 | Shirik | it's at that page too, Kirov :) With specific discussion over 616 |
| 21:23.14 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_(number) |
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| 21:27.35 | hillie | Hi, I'm having a problem with my addon loading the MyAddOn.xml file or with it actually registering the OnLoad part of it, and also OnEvent.. like it used to work then I tried to add OnEvent now it doesn't do either.. I looked at other mods at my xml file is exactly like theirs. I don't get it.. I run the OnLoad / OnEvent functions from wowlua and they both work fine. i don't know wtf the prob is but I AM a noob when it comes to wow ui |
| 21:28.09 | MentalPower | ok, lets go by parts |
| 21:28.27 | MentalPower | you have a MyAddOn.xml file thats referenced from your toc right? |
| 21:28.29 | Tem | check the FrameXML.log file in your logs directory |
| 21:28.38 | MentalPower | much better idea |
| 21:28.42 | MentalPower | check the log |
| 21:28.53 | ralfWORK | little off topic Q here |
| 21:28.58 | hillie | yes. I also have the MyAddOn.lua in there too. |
| 21:29.03 | ralfWORK | I thought Cartographer would show me where Netherwing eggs were |
| 21:29.12 | ralfWORK | is there something I need to turn on to get it to do so? |
| 21:29.23 | hillie | i have the whole thing on a public view svn server. i can post the link if that helps? |
| 21:30.52 | hillie | I checked the FrameXML log, there's nothing at all about my addon in there |
| 21:31.03 | hillie | the log itself is pretty short .. and doesn't seem to ever change? |
| 21:34.33 | zenzelezz | it logs errors, be glad if it's empty |
| 21:36.29 | hillie | that just means that it doesn't help me :P |
| 21:38.25 | Kirov | hillie - do you have errors turned on in wow? |
| 21:39.00 | MentalPower | hillie: can you pastey (read the channel topic) your xml file? |
| 21:39.07 | hillie | you mean Interface > Help > Display Lua Errors? if so, yes |
| 21:40.00 | hillie | mentalpower, the file itself is publically available via an svn url. does that work or should I just do the pastey? |
| 21:40.15 | MentalPower | sure, that will work |
| 21:40.47 | hillie | http://svn.alexquintana.com/PersistentBackpack/trunk/AlexBags/AlexBags.xml |
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| 21:41.35 | hillie | if you just look in the directory you can see all the files in the addon |
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| 21:44.49 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone :-) |
| 21:44.58 | Spider12345 | hi |
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| 21:46.52 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone :-) |
| 21:47.20 | Kirov | Is that a script, or are you actually logging? |
| 21:47.31 | Cairenn | it's a script |
| 21:47.38 | Kirov | hillie - If there's something wrong, I don't see it. |
| 21:48.04 | [Liquidor] | Kirov, I crashed twice. |
| 21:48.09 | hillie | yeah. since i'm new at this i figured it's something i didn't notice or .. something really silly |
| 21:48.17 | [Liquidor] | inf loops crashed my mIRC -.- |
| 21:48.23 | hillie | i dunon. the rest of the addon works fine.. |
| 21:49.04 | hillie | do you have to completely restart the game when changing the xml file? or does relodaing the interface work? |
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| 21:49.54 | Kirov | reload works, afaik |
| 21:50.34 | zenzelezz | when you change files you can reload, when you add files you must restart |
| 21:50.53 | Kirov | As long as a file existed at the time wow started (not log on to your character, when you first get to the loading screen) any file there can be reloaded except with the toc. |
| 21:53.02 | hillie | hm |
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| 21:55.35 | Jinivus2 | Does any addon exist to simply synchronize your debuff timers? |
| 21:56.52 | Zanke | is there an addon that will allow me to move the blizzard error frame? |
| 21:57.02 | hillie | i recently renamed the addon .. it worked before i renamed it |
| 21:57.11 | hillie | weird. |
| 21:57.31 | cog|work | Jinivus2: synchronize with what? |
| 21:57.52 | Zanke | or remove it |
| 21:57.54 | cog|work | Zanke: there are plenty of error frame replacements: ImprovedErrorFrame, BugSack, etc. |
| 21:57.56 | Jinivus2 | With other people in your party perhaps |
| 21:58.21 | Jinivus2 | So say for exapmle they would know how long left on your Sap |
| 21:58.21 | Kirov | hillie - what is AlexLib? |
| 21:58.31 | Zanke | well the "that ability is not ready yet" and "not enough energy" messages are covering one of my power auras |
| 21:58.54 | cog|work | Zanke: oh... i was thinking Lua errors... |
| 21:59.09 | hillie | kirov, a lib with a couple functions.. http://svn.alexquintana.com/AlexLib/trunk/AlexLib/AlexLib.lua |
| 21:59.44 | hillie | i tried taking out that call and putting in DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() but that doesn't work either (it's the only other thing I changed) |
| 22:00.27 | hillie | both work when ran from wowlua |
| 22:01.09 | MentalPower | hillie: can you try a complete WoW restart? |
| 22:01.30 | hillie | MentalPower: did that several times |
| 22:01.50 | MentalPower | as in to the desktop and back again? |
| 22:02.00 | hillie | yep |
| 22:02.33 | MentalPower | and theres still nothing in the framexml.log? |
| 22:03.02 | hillie | oh there's stuff in there.. just nothin about Alex anything :) |
| 22:03.32 | hillie | does that file get recreated each time you run the game? |
| 22:03.33 | MentalPower | can you do /dump AlexBagsFrame |
| 22:03.41 | MentalPower | I think so yes |
| 22:05.05 | hillie | k it's there.. |
| 22:05.26 | hillie | The name is "AlexBagsFrame" adn the type is "Frame" |
| 22:05.49 | hillie | there's a lot of nils in there |
| 22:05.58 | MentalPower | meaning? |
| 22:06.43 | hillie | there are a lot of values that are set to nil but too many to type out here. |
| 22:08.02 | Gotai | What does /dump AlexBagsFrame:GetScript("OnLoad") return? |
| 22:08.45 | hillie | function: 10576408 |
| 22:09.00 | zenzelezz | are you sure your print function works? |
| 22:09.39 | hillie | yep.. just did AlexLib_print("hello"); in wowlua and it worked |
| 22:09.51 | MentalPower | ./dump AlexBagsFrame:GetScript("OnLoad")(AlexBagsFrame) |
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| 22:12.02 | hillie | it executes the OnLoad function which works, then on the next line prints nil in red |
| 22:12.45 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 22:12.48 | MentalPower | that means it works |
| 22:14.10 | MentalPower | disable every other addon and try again |
| 22:14.27 | hillie | no cold restart? |
| 22:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: any chance we would get auctioneer to have an option which lets it remain open when you open the character/social/etc panels? |
| 22:14.49 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: there is |
| 22:14.51 | MentalPower | update |
| 22:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm using the version from... yesterday (advanced) |
| 22:15.06 | MentalPower | its in the config GUI |
| 22:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You're not an ace project ;) |
| 22:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm k |
| 22:15.29 | MentalPower | :P |
| 22:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | So where is this config gui? ;) |
| 22:16.45 | MentalPower | slidebar |
| 22:16.49 | MentalPower | or appraiser |
| 22:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, got it (appraiser) |
| 22:17.19 | hillie | heh |
| 22:17.25 | hillie | MentalPower: now it works :) |
| 22:18.12 | Gotai | Are you sure it wasn't working before? Couldn't the message just be printed before other addon's messages causing you not to notice it? |
| 22:18.41 | Kirov | hillie - it's another addon conflicting? |
| 22:18.58 | hillie | dunno. |
| 22:19.36 | hillie | Gotai: possibly but i pretty much used the same addons each time that i did this..so dunno why sometimes it'd exceed the buffer and sometimes not? |
| 22:19.55 | hillie | Kirov: looks that way maybe? |
| 22:20.11 | MentalPower | hillie: do you have an addon called StopTheSpam? |
| 22:21.33 | hillie | nope. |
| 22:22.14 | hillie | MentalPower: I do have ChatEdit, ChatScroll and ChatTimeStamps from Cosmos. |
| 22:22.38 | MentalPower | those should not affect |
| 22:22.45 | MentalPower | but do a binary search |
| 22:23.17 | hillie | binary search? |
| 22:23.32 | Kirov | Someone really should write an addon for that |
| 22:24.38 | Kirov | hillie - disable half of all your addons, keep yours enabled. reload. if the error doesn't happen, disable all the currently enabled and enable the disabled. |
| 22:25.02 | hillie | btw since you've seen alexlib (whoever looked) .. is it really worth wrapping that function.. is there a good chance blizz might change it in a patch? |
| 22:25.08 | MentalPower | Kirov: you volunteering? |
| 22:25.13 | hillie | Kirov: oh .. after some thinking i thought maybe that's what he meant |
| 22:25.32 | hillie | i just read it in the wiki today at work |
| 22:25.37 | Kirov | MentalPower - maybe it'll give me something to do during ZA today |
| 22:25.51 | MentalPower | coding whilst raiding, the best evar! |
| 22:26.37 | Kirov | I play a Hunter and am Afk spec mage |
| 22:26.50 | Kirov | s/am/an/ |
| 22:27.37 | MentalPower | Afk spec? |
| 22:27.38 | hillie | what is an Afk spec mage? lol |
| 22:27.46 | hillie | sounds like something that could get you banned |
| 22:27.47 | hillie | heh |
| 22:27.51 | Nechckn | is that where you wand stuff to death? |
| 22:27.52 | Nechckn | ehhehe |
| 22:28.02 | Nechckn | Oh wait.. that's Priests, my bad |
| 22:28.04 | Kirov | technically, i guess all mage specs are afk spec |
| 22:28.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I find it funny that you labeled the mage as "afk spec" and not the hunter |
| 22:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's 100% backwards :P |
| 22:28.31 | Kirov | I just have to hit one key every 6 seconds on my mage though. |
| 22:28.44 | Kirov | pyro ftw! |
| 22:29.22 | hillie | MentalPower: do i HAVE to do it the binary way? or can I enable some, test, enable some more, test, etc. til it breaks? |
| 22:29.27 | hillie | i have a lot of addons. |
| 22:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | hillie: the binary search is the fastest you can find it |
| 22:29.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much period |
| 22:29.50 | durcyn | yes, you can, but it's faster to do half, then half of that, and on |
| 22:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The only time that would change is if you knew which addon was the problem, in which case, you don't have that problem to begin with |
| 22:30.48 | hillie | ScytheBlade1: so when you say half, you mean like top half ? or bottom half? |
| 22:30.49 | durcyn | or you could disable everything you added in, say, the past week |
| 22:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | hillie: take one and go with it, it doesn't matter |
| 22:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | half is half is half |
| 22:31.23 | hillie | i didn't add anything but wowlua in the past week.. and then i just tested it with my addon, no prob |
| 22:32.01 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: but but, half-empty ~= half full :P |
| 22:32.20 | Gotai | You said it stopped working after you renamed it right? |
| 22:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: I read that as "~= half nil" |
| 22:32.44 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 22:32.53 | hillie | some things in the top half get disabled due to dependency missing |
| 22:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I should sleep.. |
| 22:33.00 | hillie | :\ |
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| 22:33.43 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: wow, simply wow :) |
| 22:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not sure either. |
| 22:34.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I woke up at noon, too :/ |
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| 22:35.22 | hillie | i used bottom half |
| 22:35.34 | hillie | k it worked |
| 22:40.32 | Shirik | best variable name ever: |
| 22:40.50 | Shirik | https://mymail.erau.edu/wm/eml/compose.html?imapopup=true |
| 22:44.25 | hillie | MentalPower: it's one of those chat addons i listed |
| 22:44.25 | hillie | heh |
| 22:44.35 | Spider12345 | if i use CreateFrame() is it possible to delete that frame again? |
| 22:44.42 | MentalPower | nop |
| 22:44.49 | MentalPower | frames cannot be destroyed |
| 22:45.05 | MentalPower | neither can fontstrings or textures for that matter |
| 22:45.52 | hillie | ChatEdit is the culprit |
| 22:46.01 | Spider12345 | so if i created one and dont want it anymore, the only option is to hide it? |
| 22:46.21 | MentalPower | Spider12345: correct |
| 22:46.25 | Spider12345 | ok, thx |
| 22:46.50 | art3mis | http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html |
| 22:47.19 | art3mis | www.dofus.com |
| 22:47.24 | art3mis | ^^ cheese looking mmo |
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| 22:49.37 | hillie | yep. definitely ChatEdit |
| 22:51.32 | MentalPower | Spider12345: make sure you re-use frames as much as possible |
| 22:51.40 | hillie | MentalPower: so how do I find out why ChatEdit conflicts with my addom? |
| 22:51.42 | hillie | addon* |
| 22:52.32 | MentalPower | ask the author, dunno |
| 22:53.36 | Gotai | Hrm, it uses :SetMaxLines for each chatframe, which seems to clear the text. |
| 22:53.54 | Gotai | Since your addon is loaded before ChatEdit, your message gets cleared. |
| 22:54.05 | hillie | oh well. i don't really even know what it's for.. something about selecting text in the chat, but then i tried to select the /dump output and the screen just rotated with the mouse |
| 22:54.21 | hillie | makes sense |
| 22:54.33 | hillie | can ToggleBackpack() be called from OnLoad then? |
| 22:54.56 | Gotai | You can call whatever you want from OnLoad :) |
| 22:55.21 | hillie | k. wasn't sure if it was before stuff like that could be called. |
| 22:55.42 | Gotai | By the way, I was looking at your Toggle function, and I think you're overly complicating things. Why don't you use OpenAllBags() instead of checking which bags are available and doing that for loop opening each bag seperately? |
| 22:56.16 | Gotai | Hrm, dunno if the bag is actually opened now that you mention it. Might indeed be too early. |
| 22:57.12 | hillie | Gotai: coz the same function is used to close all the bags but the backpack.. (toggle) |
| 22:57.30 | Gotai | OpenAllBags() also closes all bags if you call it without arguments |
| 22:57.42 | hillie | I want to make it behave more like OpenAllBags() tho.. coz if you close one bag, then it breaks when you do the toggle |
| 22:57.56 | hillie | Gotai: yea but i don't wanna close the backpack |
| 22:58.28 | Gotai | Then OpenAllBags() OpenBackpack() ;) |
| 22:58.38 | Sixen | Hellooo |
| 22:58.54 | hillie | then it will close the backpack and open it again |
| 22:59.02 | Gotai | Anywho, you could list ChatEdit as an OptionalDep so it gets loaded before your addon. |
| 22:59.32 | hillie | nah. i don't care if it clears my load msg. i just thought that the whole OnLoad wasn't working |
| 22:59.39 | foxlit | > Distraction: http://www.phdcomics.com/newspapers/preview600/phd022606.gif |
| 22:59.49 | hillie | coz the first time when I tried using ToggleBackpack from there it didn't work either |
| 23:00.43 | hillie | Gotai: is there any speed benefit for the functions in FrameXML? |
| 23:04.15 | hillie | is the list of events in wowwiki in the "from disassembly" page all the events you can hook to? |
| 23:08.10 | Kaso | most of the from disassembly list cannot be accesses by addons |
| 23:08.39 | Kaso | well |
| 23:08.49 | Kaso | the ones on that list and not in the standard list i mean |
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| 23:18.53 | cog|work | ~seen Drundia |
| 23:18.55 | purl | drundia <n=drewndia@92.113.100.143> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 16h 40m 32s ago, saying: '~fail Tem'. |
| 23:19.06 | hillie | I just looked at the OpenAllBags() code in framexml. they call togglebag on every single bag, they only check to see if the bankframe is open. how come they don't check NUM_BAGSLOTS or NUM_BANKBAGSLOTS ? |
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| 23:23.18 | hillie | is the blizzard UI kit kept up to date? |
| 23:23.42 | hillie | seems to me OpenAllBags() in game doesn't function the way it's written in the FrameXML i'm looking at |
| 23:24.14 | Gotai | What don't you think is working? |
| 23:24.32 | wereHamster | the blizzard ui kit, it just extracts the interface from the data files, right? so is is up to date if you run it after each patch |
| 23:24.50 | hillie | ok |
| 23:25.05 | wereHamster | ~wdn |
| 23:25.06 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 23:26.02 | hillie | coz OpenAllBags() uses ToggleBag() to open the bags, the same thing I use, but in mine if i close one bag and do it again, all the open bags close, and the closed one opens.. but with OpenAllBags() it opens them all, every time, unless they are all open, then it closes them |
| 23:28.33 | Adys | Is there someone familiar with shell syntax i could steal for five mins? |
| 23:29.28 | hillie | shell syntax? |
| 23:29.33 | hillie | what kinda shell? |
| 23:29.52 | Adys | bash |
| 23:29.57 | Adys | brb |
| 23:31.41 | wereHamster | hillie, OpenAllBags() first closes all container frames, and then uses ToggleBag() to open them again |
| 23:32.57 | hillie | wereHamster: seems like a waste to call ToggleBag on bags that may not exist tho |
| 23:33.10 | hillie | unless checking for their existance is more of a bottleneck |
| 23:33.17 | hillie | than calling the function |
| 23:34.29 | wereHamster | don't try to optimize a part of the code that is very rarely used.. |
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| 23:36.10 | hillie | wereHamster: what part of the code are you talkin about? |
| 23:37.33 | art3mis | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/04/firefox-offers-rickroll-protection.html |
| 23:37.42 | wereHamster | your worry about ToggleBag() overhead |
| 23:38.26 | hillie | wereHamster: i'm not worried about it.. just tryin to figure out why they did it |
| 23:38.30 | wereHamster | it would be a bottleneck if you called it from OnUpdate, in all cases it is marginal |
| 23:38.46 | wereHamster | s/all/all other/ |
| 23:39.01 | hillie | coz my first instinct in my own code would be to check to see if whatever exists before i try to do something to it |
| 23:39.14 | Gotai | They did it because it's probably easier like this. Blizz devs are people just like us ;) |
| 23:39.22 | hillie | if it's faster to just forgo the checking then i will go with the fasterst way |
| 23:39.44 | Gotai | Just go with whatever works mate, as wereHamster said, it's not going to make a difference. |
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| 23:40.12 | hillie | <- very meticulous about programming |
| 23:40.38 | art3mis | http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/04/21/fun-from-yesterday/ |
| 23:41.06 | hillie | but still if what I'm seeing in FrameXML is what is being ran I am very confused about how all the bags close when OpenAllBags() is run when they're all open |
| 23:42.09 | wereHamster | art3mis, heh "backgammon for friendless people" :) |
| 23:42.30 | hillie | oh nm i see it |
| 23:42.56 | hillie | it hides them all and then if they were all open it just returns |
| 23:43.27 | wereHamster | hillie, you can also download the most recent version of the interface from wdn, nicely zipped up.. |
| 23:43.38 | art3mis | http://www.otbeach.com/news/resorts-and-fun-activities--11/33-of-the-most-intricate-&-realistic-lego-creations--481.html |
| 23:43.59 | hillie | wereHamster: wdn? |
| 23:44.00 | art3mis | the bottom of the article has the lego version of thriller |
| 23:44.13 | wereHamster | ~wdn |
| 23:44.14 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 23:44.21 | wereHamster | hillie, ^^^ |
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| 23:45.03 | hillie | ah |
| 23:45.33 | hillie | this might be a stupid question, but is it illegal to copy the OpenAllBags() code to my addon and take out the ToggleBackpack() call from it? |
| 23:45.53 | hillie | renaming the function of course.... |
| 23:46.13 | art3mis | http://item.rakuten.co.jp/sastore/krb-3n-r/ |
| 23:46.26 | wereHamster | blizzard owns copyright on all their code, so you'd have to ask them |
| 23:47.00 | art3mis | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080420.html <-- so awesome |
| 23:47.30 | MentalPower | I don't think they would mind, so long as you don't misrepresent the origin of the code, and you don't try to sell it, but I'm neither a lawyer nor a blizz employee |
| 23:48.13 | art3mis | http://www.eblong.com/zarf/lolgrues/ |
| 23:49.41 | hillie | MentalPower: yea |
| 23:49.46 | art3mis | http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Image:Motivational-gravity.jpg |
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| 23:50.14 | hillie | is there a EULA for this code somewhere? |
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| 23:50.48 | Kaso | Which code? Blizzard UI Code? |
| 23:51.06 | hillie | the framexml code. |
| 23:51.13 | hillie | since you can download it there has to be a license |
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| 23:51.56 | MentalPower | yeah, "All rights reserved" |
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| 23:52.12 | art3mis | if you dont show up we'll give the reservation away though |
| 23:52.12 | Kaso | The blizzard ToS and eula would cover it i guess |
| 23:52.31 | alestane | You don't download it per se. You extract the current version from your copy of WoW using the UI Toolkit. No agreements to licenses are secured at any point. |
| 23:53.03 | art3mis | alestane: except the "dont be a dick" license ;P |
| 23:53.07 | hillie | hm. but there must be something that states "you can't change this or we'll kill you" .. or something. |
| 23:53.46 | MentalPower | alestane: all code is by default "all rights reserved" |
| 23:53.50 | Kaso | anything you can do with the wow API/FrameXML it fine |
| 23:54.00 | Kaso | if they dont like you doing something, they'll change the code to stop you |
| 23:54.04 | alestane | No, but I think it still constitutes Blizzard-owned IP. However, they also make it public knowledge so that people can see for themselves how to modify it. |
| 23:54.06 | MentalPower | Kaso: thats not the question |
| 23:54.07 | End | Section 3, Paragraph 4b. "Any modification by the you ("the user") will cause immediate termination of you ("the user"). |
| 23:54.26 | End | Termination by fire that is. |
| 23:54.31 | hillie | Kaso: i'm talking about copying code from framexml from OpenAllBags() but taking out the part that opens/closes the backpack |
| 23:54.31 | Cairenn | OMG! They terminate you? That's pretty damn serious! |
| 23:54.42 | End | Cairenn: it's totally serially serious! |
| 23:54.57 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 23:54.59 | Sixen | Sounds painful. |
| 23:55.05 | alestane | But using a snippet of code from the FrameXML files doesn't constitute modifying the game files. |
| 23:55.07 | Cairenn | better than being cerally serious |
| 23:55.21 | Cairenn | death by special k |
| 23:55.24 | End | buy cereal is cereally good! |
| 23:55.26 | End | but* |
| 23:55.32 | hillie | which is why i don't think the normal EULA/tos doesn't apply to addon programmers |
| 23:56.19 | Kaso | hillie, the code is effectively public domain, they arent going to do anything to anyone doing anything with the framexml |
| 23:56.21 | Kaso | pretty much |
| 23:56.28 | MentalPower | Kaso: negaive |
| 23:56.33 | MentalPower | the code is not public domain |
| 23:56.38 | Kaso | i said effectively |
| 23:56.50 | Cairenn | it's still copyright protected |
| 23:57.08 | alestane | There are a limited number of ways to accomplish any given task...if you're really concerned about it you can do a text replacement on a string.dump of the function by name. |
| 23:57.14 | MentalPower | just because auctioneer's source is public it does not mean its in the public domain |
| 23:57.15 | Cairenn | they aren't going to smack you if you use it for its intended purpose, but it is still their code |
| 23:57.49 | alestane | They have the advantage that their code is basically useless without their API to run it. |
| 23:57.50 | End | They'll hit you with the lawyerbat if you tried include it in a competing product (ie, another mmorpg) |
| 23:58.01 | Cairenn | or tried to sell it |
| 23:58.05 | End | yeah |
| 23:58.11 | Cairenn | etc |
| 23:58.15 | End | but general AddOn usage goes, they don't care really |
| 23:58.26 | End | since in the end, it'll just strengthen their product |
| 23:58.28 | hillie | MentalPower: there is nothing anywhere saying you can't do whatever you want with the framexml code |
| 23:58.34 | End | use common sense :) |
| 23:58.54 | hillie | not in the kit installer, not in the zip .. nada |
| 23:58.55 | End | our legal system says something :P |
| 23:58.59 | hillie | not in the www page |
| 23:59.27 | End | it's up to the copyright holder to allow you to do certain things the law normally forbids |
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| 23:59.53 | MentalPower | hillie: by international laws and treaties (specifically the Berne convention) all works are automatically copyrighted to the author on an "All Rights Reserved" license |
| 23:59.53 | End | (of course, there's restrictions to what the copyright holder gets, like fair use, limited terms, etc) |
| 23:59.53 | Kaso | yes, this conversation is getting as pedantic as the ^.5 conversation, you can use the code for whatever you want on purpose, if you've got some devious extremely odd plan with it then perhaps you should consult a lawyer, but otherwise, its all fine |
| 23:59.57 | alestane | hillie: that means default copyright law applies. |
