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| 00:26.21 | Atriace | I'm confused. When using: f = CreateFrame("Frame", "myFrame", UIParent), why is f required as pointer? We've already named it "myFrame", could we just refer to it as that? Or is the frame not really created until we add subobjects to it? |
| 00:26.33 | Guillotine | you don't need the pointer |
| 00:26.41 | Guillotine | its just a local pointer (and so slightly faster) |
| 00:26.43 | Guillotine | no global lookup |
| 00:27.02 | Guillotine | technically you can just do |
| 00:27.03 | Guillotine | CreateFrame("Frame", "myFrame", UIParent) |
| 00:27.03 | Atriace | Thank you. That's the first I've heard otherwise. |
| 00:27.17 | Kaso | You've clearly been asking the wrong people! |
| 00:27.22 | Guillotine | srsly |
| 00:27.23 | Kaso | Guillotine, is right on the mark there |
| 00:27.36 | Atriace | hehe, well, Kaso, it's more a matter of "reading" the wrong people's work. |
| 00:27.41 | End | you don't even have to give it a name |
| 00:27.50 | Atriace | True too |
| 00:27.56 | End | you could just do f = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent) |
| 00:28.12 | JoshBorke | ~failrik |
| 00:28.13 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:28.28 | Guillotine | Technically, you don't need either. You can just do CreateFrame("Frame",nil,UIParent):SetScript("OnUpdate",script) |
| 00:28.31 | Guillotine | if you just need a script |
| 00:28.35 | Shirik | You don't even need that |
| 00:28.46 | Shirik | you could just do CreateFrame("FRAME"):SetScript("OnUpdate", script) |
| 00:28.59 | Guillotine | Shirik: u was beaten |
| 00:29.05 | Shirik | negative |
| 00:29.05 | Guillotine | oh |
| 00:29.07 | JoshBorke | except FRAME is not valid |
| 00:29.07 | Guillotine | you were responding to me |
| 00:29.09 | JoshBorke | so |
| 00:29.11 | JoshBorke | ~failrik |
| 00:29.11 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:29.13 | Shirik | Except it is because I use it every time |
| 00:29.20 | Guillotine | That part is case insensitive |
| 00:29.31 | JoshBorke | Guillotine: is it really? |
| 00:29.57 | Guillotine | I've used both FRAME and Frame, so I think so |
| 00:29.57 | Guillotine | It could be just those two work, but *shrug* |
| 00:29.57 | Kaso | Anonymous frames make baby jesus cry btw |
| 00:30.00 | JoshBorke | for some reason it seems like i have had trouble with that |
| 00:30.00 | Shirik | I always write it like that, so unless you want to somehow prove that my code doesn't work... |
| 00:30.06 | JoshBorke | kaso: poor baby jesus |
| 00:30.16 | Atriace | Kaso: yeah I was going to mention that. Looking it up later would be a nightmare |
| 00:30.31 | JoshBorke | if by nightmare you mean impossible, sure |
| 00:31.03 | Atriace | Well you could always look it up by its uses (ie., if it used X texture search for when it's used in the global space) |
| 00:31.04 | Kaso | if they have a parent its not impossible. |
| 00:31.06 | MentalPower | Kaso, Atriace: why? |
| 00:31.25 | MentalPower | if its a private frame, theres no need for you to mess with it :) |
| 00:31.28 | Kaso | MP, say i want to write an addon to extend/interface with yours, you've just stopped me doing that |
| 00:31.33 | MentalPower | indeed |
| 00:31.49 | Kaso | i guess if you want to stop that its fair |
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| 00:32.55 | Atriace | ::Jedi-mind-trick:: End, you will no longer use nil named frames. OoooOOooo |
| 00:33.02 | MentalPower | well, most of the time I create one global parent frame and place all the others as children of that one |
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| 00:33.08 | Kaso | but doing it in cases where you arent deliberartly stopping things isnt worth it imo, youre making it hard for others, and even if you think noone would want to do anything, remeber that people can imagen things you cant |
| 00:33.14 | MentalPower | all the children are anon frames tho |
| 00:33.26 | Kaso | yah, thats alright, as long as there is a reference to it |
| 00:33.34 | MentalPower | yup, there always is |
| 00:33.46 | Kaso | *a global reference |
| 00:34.28 | MentalPower | well, the other thing I do sometimes is that I place the parent frame in the AddOn's global table |
| 00:34.39 | MentalPower | the actual frame is anon tho |
| 00:36.03 | Kaso | EnumerateFrames does catch anon frames right? |
| 00:36.10 | MentalPower | it does |
| 00:36.14 | MentalPower | it catches all frames |
| 00:36.30 | MentalPower | every single UI widget is reachable via EnumFrames |
| 00:36.44 | MentalPower | or EnumFrames():GetRegions() |
| 00:37.21 | Kaso | mm, i remeber doing stuff with Speechbubbles/nameplates via that, theyre anon frames but you can get em |
| 00:37.35 | Kaso | Oh actually no i was getting children of WorldFrame |
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| 00:38.53 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 00:38.58 | sag_ich_nicht | SP3 whitepaper out |
| 00:39.16 | sag_ich_nicht | now i have to actually learn something about SP3 and memorize it |
| 00:39.17 | sag_ich_nicht | -_- |
| 00:40.03 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 00:40.04 | sag_ich_nicht | nice |
| 00:40.12 | sag_ich_nicht | MSXML6 included by default... about time -_- |
| 00:40.34 | sag_ich_nicht | ...black hole router detection on by default? oh lawd |
| 00:41.43 | Esamynn | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 00:41.43 | purl | pours gasoline all over sag_ich_nicht, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 00:41.44 | Kaso | when is sp3 coming to us mere mortals? (public) |
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| 00:42.25 | sag_ich_nicht | o improved cryptographic service... is that the same stupid one used in vista? |
| 00:42.34 | sag_ich_nicht | because if it is, i'll consider not installing SP3 |
| 00:42.36 | AbsoRayne | :| |
| 00:42.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: some time mid-summer |
| 00:44.14 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080421091129596 <--roflmao |
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| 00:48.09 | Kaso | To be honest if you read the orginal source blog it isnt quite as bad as other make it sound, but it still is a testiment to how microsoft have basically bought ISO's approval for a sticker they can put on the box and that they dont really intend to play fair with standards |
| 00:48.18 | Kaso | sag_ich_nicht, whats that cryptographic service you mention? |
| 00:50.02 | Atriace | Wait a second... you can't use $parent in Lua? |
| 00:50.18 | Kaso | no, thats a xml thing |
| 00:50.18 | Guillotine | nope |
| 00:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You can with the templates that Blizzard provides |
| 00:50.29 | Guillotine | just concatenate GetParent():GetName() |
| 00:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's, yeah, an XML thing |
| 00:50.31 | Kaso | you can use this:GetParent():GetName() |
| 00:50.43 | Atriace | Looks like I'll have to. |
| 00:50.45 | Atriace | THanks |
| 00:50.51 | Guillotine | WElcome |
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| 00:51.42 | Atriace | I've had a typing *bug* ever since I was little. For some reason my pinky doesn't lift of the shift key in the split-second time it needs to. So... yeah, sometimes I doubletype my first caps. |
| 00:52.09 | Guillotine | And you will never be forgiven for it |
| 00:52.10 | Guillotine | ever |
| 00:52.17 | Atriace | SIgh |
| 00:52.18 | Kaso | Thats a fairly frequent issue i think |
| 00:52.29 | Guillotine | I do the same thing quite often :P |
| 00:52.33 | Atriace | orly? |
| 00:52.38 | Guillotine | YA RLY! |
| 00:52.49 | Atriace | I've never heard of anyone else with the same issue. |
| 00:53.04 | Guillotine | I just usually backspace and correct it |
| 00:53.09 | Guillotine | But it still happens |
| 00:53.20 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:48] <Kaso> sag_ich_nicht, whats that cryptographic service you mention? <--well, it's not the crypo service itself but the RNG |
| 00:53.34 | Kaso | what's wrong with the one in sp3/vista? |
| 00:53.42 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 00:53.45 | kd3 | they broke worldofwarcraft.com |
| 00:53.48 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.schneier.com/essay-198.html <--go here for more information, basicially NSA built in a backdoor into the RNG and nobody cares |
| 00:53.52 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/inde |
| 00:53.52 | kd3 | x.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/es/patchnotes/index.html/ |
| 00:53.56 | kd3 | back, sorry |
| 00:53.59 | sag_ich_nicht | would you not do that. |
| 00:54.00 | Esamynn | oh dear |
| 00:54.01 | Cairenn | *bink* |
| 00:54.04 | Esamynn | well |
| 00:54.09 | Esamynn | that doesn't happen very often |
| 00:54.09 | Kaso | ooh really? Im not happy about that |
| 00:54.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Kaso: neither am i, but nearly nobody cares about it :/ |
| 00:54.35 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 00:54.48 | Cairenn | The page isn't redirecting properly |
| 00:54.48 | Cairenn | Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. |
| 00:54.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.52 | Kaso | is that a 302 loop? |
| 00:55.55 | Guillotine | haha, it actually forwards you to it |
| 00:55.56 | kd3 | ya |
| 00:55.57 | Corrodias | so we can't trust Dual_EC-DRBG? |
| 00:56.01 | Esamynn | wow, whatever they did |
| 00:56.05 | Esamynn | the whole damn site is hosed |
| 00:56.29 | Kaso | theyve accidentl put a global 302 redirect, including the page it redriects to, ha |
| 00:56.37 | Guillotine | hehe, yup |
| 00:56.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias: correct, unless you use a secondary RNG to generate a new constant for it each time you use it |
| 00:56.43 | Cairenn | the forums are still fine though |
| 00:56.51 | sag_ich_nicht | which is even slower than the already slow Dual_EC-DRBG |
| 00:57.01 | Corrodias | what is this, a random number generator or an encryption algorithm? |
| 00:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias: RNG used for encryption |
| 00:59.01 | kd3 | lol, now account management's broken |
| 00:59.03 | Corrodias | what if i use myself as a random number generator? i can type some numbers! |
| 00:59.03 | sag_ich_nicht | basicially the RNG has a few constants that define it's elliptic curve, but it is not stated anywhere in the standard where these constants came from |
| 00:59.34 | sag_ich_nicht | these numbers have a relationship to a second, unknown set of numbers |
| 01:00.06 | sag_ich_nicht | know those numbers and you can pretty much predict anything the RNG spits out after collecting 32 byte of sample output |
| 01:01.07 | Corrodias | little do they know, i am the one who holds that key |
| 01:01.18 | sag_ich_nicht | you can bet that someone from the NSA has it |
| 01:03.39 | Corrodias | but that's okay, because they have Sam Fisher |
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| 01:04.12 | sag_ich_nicht | [02:59] <Corrodias> what if i use myself as a random number generator? i can type some numbers! <--you mean: int RANDOM_NUMBER 4 // <--default random number. choosen by fair dice roll. |
| 01:04.45 | Kaso | oh xkcd! |
| 01:04.48 | Corrodias | i think Sam is a pretty cool guy. eh kills goergians and doesn't afraid of anything. |
| 01:05.04 | Esamynn | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png |
| 01:05.04 | sag_ich_nicht | look. |
| 01:05.08 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't take this here Corrodias. |
| 01:05.10 | sag_ich_nicht | you just don't |
| 01:05.12 | sag_ich_nicht | now go away. |
| 01:05.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Esamynn: yeah that's what i was thinking of |
| 01:05.40 | Esamynn | one of my favourites |
| 01:05.56 | Esamynn | far funnier that it has any right to be |
| 01:05.58 | Nechckn | so... generate your own =) |
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| 01:06.28 | sag_ich_nicht | damn it |
| 01:06.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Private Myspace Profiles |
| 01:06.52 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Private Myspace Profiles |
| 01:07.33 | Esamynn | hmm, they fixed worldofwarcraft.com |
| 01:07.35 | Esamynn | didn't expect it to take long |
| 01:08.42 | batrick | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:08.42 | purl | shoves a crumpet down sag_ich_nicht's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 01:08.42 | Corrodias | you have +s mode in here? and i'm not even familiar with +g |
| 01:08.59 | Corrodias | not that i can't look it up |
| 01:09.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias: /part #wowuidev and /whois me |
| 01:10.27 | Corrodias | i'd rather do it the hard way |
| 01:10.35 | luigithekid | Hello, is this the right place to ask for assistance on macros? |
| 01:10.45 | Cairenn | yup |
| 01:10.50 | sag_ich_nicht | ya |
| 01:11.05 | luigithekid | Ok, so my question is with the typical hunter misdirection macro |
| 01:11.36 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. Cairenn did you see the 'little' discussion we had earlier? |
| 01:11.53 | Cairenn | ummm, maybe |
| 01:11.55 | Corrodias | i know! it's like they are deliberately trying to keep you from getting to your peanuts. |
| 01:12.05 | luigithekid | When you want to send a chat message that you have Misdirected target to focus... |
| 01:12.29 | luigithekid | is there a way to use a script to evaluate if Misdirection was cast succesfully? |
| 01:12.57 | Kirov | Not in a macro, no |
| 01:12.58 | Cairenn | sag_ich_nicht: what was it about? |
| 01:13.02 | Kirov | Not with out another addon |
| 01:13.13 | Corrodias | Kirov: couldn't you check the target for the buff? |
| 01:13.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: about me being banned from #wowace :P |
| 01:13.22 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 01:13.24 | Cairenn | no, missed that |
| 01:13.25 | Corrodias | although that wouldn't tell you whether it's yours |
| 01:13.39 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: might want to read it :) |
| 01:13.55 | sag_ich_nicht | ... damn it, where did kaelten wander of to? >.> |
| 01:14.00 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen Kaelten |
| 01:14.08 | purl | kaelten <n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5d 1h 19m 31s ago, saying: ':('. |
| 01:14.21 | sag_ich_nicht | purl lies |
| 01:14.22 | purl | the cake is a lie! |
| 01:14.32 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart purl |
| 01:14.32 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:14.37 | sag_ich_nicht | noes |
| 01:14.43 | Kirov | hmm |
| 01:14.57 | Cairenn | he's in the process of moving |
| 01:15.09 | luigithekid | ok, could i listem to combat log events unfiltered? and as soon as i get the misdirection buff i know it was succesfully cast? |
| 01:15.12 | sag_ich_nicht | well that's kind of a problem then |
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| 01:15.22 | luigithekid | listen* |
| 01:15.26 | sag_ich_nicht | [03:12] <Kirov> Not in a macro, no <--well, theoretically |
| 01:15.44 | Kirov | luigithekid - yes, that would be what is required |
| 01:15.47 | sag_ich_nicht | he could, if he were to use a lot of /click, waste a bunch of actionbar & macro slots |
| 01:15.54 | luigithekid | ok, where would be the best place to read simple beggining tuts for addons? |
| 01:16.00 | Cairenn | sag_ich_nicht: so what did you do to piss off who this time? |
| 01:16.27 | Nechckn | luigithekid WoWWiki.com has some really good information |
| 01:16.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: i exposed Tem's hypocrisy in a very mean way :) |
| 01:16.33 | Corrodias | if i need some scripting functionality in one of my macros, i add a function to my LuaSlinger "run this on startup" file and /run it from the macro |
| 01:16.47 | Kirov | luigithekid - http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization - a lot of information, light on proper tutorials |
| 01:16.51 | Cairenn | be very careful |
| 01:17.16 | luigithekid | Sorry,need to go afk, bbl. Thanks! |
| 01:17.32 | sag_ich_nicht | luigithekid: btw. there are addons out already that do what you want |
| 01:17.38 | sag_ich_nicht | luigithekid: no need to reinvent the wheel |
| 01:17.54 | luigithekid | true, i want to check simplemd tonight |
| 01:18.12 | luigithekid | might be more than enough for what i want |
| 01:18.35 | WobWork | ~logs |
| 01:18.36 | purl | [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 01:21.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: i'm careful, but my care does not extend to hypocrites :) |
| 01:22.31 | WobWork | character flaw? =P |
| 01:22.46 | sag_ich_nicht | WobWork: how so? |
| 01:22.58 | WobWork | Your kryptonite is hypocrites? =) |
| 01:23.59 | sag_ich_nicht | WobWork: i don't have a kryptonite :) |
| 01:24.23 | WobWork | Oh I read that phrase as "I'm normally careful, but hypocrites make me uncareful" |
| 01:24.51 | sag_ich_nicht | WobWork: that's not what it was supposed to say :) |
| 01:25.10 | Cairenn | well, as always, battles between people in other channels can just stay in those other channels, there's no need to bring it in here |
| 01:25.24 | Cairenn | and that was what I was referring to when I said be careful |
| 01:25.40 | sag_ich_nicht | oic |
| 01:25.51 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 01:26.20 | Cairenn | that's a rather well known status in here, not like it's the first time it's come up |
| 01:26.27 | Cairenn | errr, policy |
| 01:26.31 | Corrodias | uh oh, my usual list of channel modes doesn't list +g, only +G which is a censorship one, which doesn't have anything to do with whois results |
| 01:26.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias: i was reffering to +s |
| 01:27.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: i'd appreciate a written policy :P |
| 01:27.10 | Corrodias | i'm well-acquainted with +s (although i don't know why it's on) |
| 01:27.22 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias: because of spambots :P |
| 01:27.25 | Cairenn | sag_ich_nicht: give me a break |
| 01:27.37 | Corrodias | actually, i was mixing up +s and +p, and if that's the goal, you might want +p on too |
| 01:27.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: oh sure :) |
| 01:27.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias: s & p are exclusive to each other |
| 01:27.59 | sag_ich_nicht | (except on rizon, but on rizon they work differently anyway) |
| 01:28.12 | kd3 | by the way, [[Portal:Interface customization]] *is* editable for those of you with accounts. feel free to update links and such |
| 01:28.25 | Corrodias | doesn't +p prevent it from being listed in the channel list? |
| 01:29.51 | sag_ich_nicht | Corrodias PROTIP: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1459.html |
| 01:29.53 | Corrodias | apparently, that function is included in +s as well |
| 01:30.14 | Corrodias | i retaliate with http://www.alien.net.au/irc/chanmodes.html |
| 01:30.38 | sag_ich_nicht | meh :P |
| 01:30.57 | Corrodias | still, no +g is listed |
| 01:31.16 | kd3 | I'll win with http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 01:31.53 | kd3 | hyperion's a "special" ircd. lots of weird chanmodes |
| 01:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It was hand-made for Freenode |
| 01:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | So they tailored it accordingly |
| 01:32.20 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 01:40.55 | Cairenn | blizz wow site fixed |
| 01:50.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: [03:07] <+Esamynn> hmm, they fixed worldofwarcraft.com |
| 01:50.10 | sag_ich_nicht | you're a bit late :P |
| 01:50.15 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 01:50.32 | sag_ich_nicht | no need to apologize :P |
| 01:51.09 | sag_ich_nicht | also would the horde please either STOP attacking the major cities on our server OR STOP failing |
| 01:51.21 | sag_ich_nicht | we've been easily holding them off for over 6 hours now |
| 01:51.28 | sag_ich_nicht | they keep going, true |
| 01:51.33 | sag_ich_nicht | but they never make it thru >.> |
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| 01:58.22 | Syzgyn | thats dedication right there |
| 01:59.28 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 01:59.31 | sag_ich_nicht | but otoh |
| 01:59.39 | sag_ich_nicht | that's the first time that happened ever on this server |
| 01:59.43 | sag_ich_nicht | and it's a release server |
| 01:59.44 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 01:59.50 | sag_ich_nicht | still, should stop failing |
| 02:00.29 | kd3 | oh lmao |
| 02:00.39 | kd3 | apparently Uwe Boll tried to get the WoW movie rights |
| 02:02.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd have cancelled my account immediatly |
| 02:04.38 | Kaso | how's that petition going for uwe boll |
| 02:04.47 | Kaso | i'd be happy to see that |
| 02:08.24 | Syzgyn | tried and failed I hope |
| 02:09.36 | Kaso | well i meant the one to get 1mil to stop him |
| 02:10.01 | kd3 | it's around 300k last I heard |
| 02:10.36 | kd3 | s/3/2/ |
| 02:11.35 | Syzgyn | hah: I got in contact with Paul Sams of Blizzard, and he said, 'We will not sell the movie rights, not to you...especially not to you. |
| 02:16.05 | sag_ich_nicht | LINK |
| 02:16.21 | kd3 | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/21/blizzard-to-boll-thanks-but-no-thanks/ |
| 02:19.23 | sag_ich_nicht | lol'd |
| 02:19.36 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm hungry now |
| 02:20.46 | Syzgyn | theres a rebuttal from Boll here: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52322 |
| 02:21.00 | Syzgyn | or some twisted reasoning, whatever you wanna call it |
| 02:27.53 | Quezacolt | "Importance of ignoring game fans"? He's nuts! |
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| 03:16.54 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 03:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 |
| 03:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Check out general right now |
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| 03:28.19 | kd3 | I would if the forums were up |
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| 03:29.07 | Kirov | haha, that's funny. So witty! "Server is busy, please try again" ha! |
| 03:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That's probably why they are down |
| 03:30.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Entire front page of unicode |
| 03:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 1/2 of them locked |
| 03:31.03 | kd3 | lol, you get a SS? |
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| 03:31.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly no, I refreshed :( |
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| 03:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo got it to load |
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| 03:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... in the wrong browser, fail |
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| 03:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap, it loaded, clean |
| 03:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Without any of the unicode :( |
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| 03:50.55 | kd3 | it was up for a few minutes... |
| 03:50.59 | kd3 | now it's not |
| 03:53.36 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 03:53.36 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives nevcairiel a good jolt |
| 03:54.47 | sag_ich_nicht | if you commit to hattrick, at least do it consistently and push the .toc to 2.4, atm it's reverting Tekkub's newer release to an older one (only toc change anyway, which is why it's doubleplusunpleasing) :P |
| 03:55.16 | Tekkub | what's the issue? |
| 03:56.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub: nevcairiel commited a toc update to 2.1 to hattrick on the wowace SVN ages ago, and you released a .toc update for 2.3 for it, so each time i run WAU it's reverting the toc :P |
| 03:56.46 | Tekkub | so remove it, and any other shit of mine, from the ace SVN |
| 03:57.09 | Tekkub | you have my permission, I do not support anything that's left there |
| 03:57.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub: i don't have delete rights :P |
| 03:57.26 | sag_ich_nicht | also removing metrognome would... break quite some addons |
| 03:57.29 | Tekkub | then find someone that does and don't piss em off like you did Tem |
| 03:57.35 | Tekkub | if you want it fixed :P |
| 03:57.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub: i larted nevcairiel not you, remember? :) |
| 03:57.48 | Tekkub | no |
| 03:57.58 | Tekkub | I just got pinged is all I know |
| 03:58.15 | sag_ich_nicht | well then i suggest you scroll up to about hh:53 :) |
| 04:00.32 | Kaelten | sag_ich_nicht: ? |
| 04:03.02 | AbsoRayne | Ever eat dinner, and it tastes amazing, and about an hour later you want to die due to random stabbing pain in your gut? |
| 04:03.22 | Kirov | AbsoRayne - married? |
| 04:04.16 | AbsoRayne | Kirov: Howd you guess? |
| 04:05.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ~logs |
| 04:05.52 | purl | logs is, like, apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 04:08.38 | AbsoRayne | I just came back and one of my kittens was standing on the keyboard. There was about 100 ' |
| 04:08.47 | AbsoRayne | ';' across my typebox. |
| 04:09.48 | Cairenn | hey AbsoRayne? hi, sub-categories? uploading to the title cat will only succeed in having your mod not show up anywhere |
| 04:10.23 | AbsoRayne | Fixing |
| 04:10.31 | Cairenn | already fixed |
| 04:10.36 | Cairenn | just for future reference |
| 04:10.36 | AbsoRayne | Oh ok. o.o |
| 04:10.49 | AbsoRayne | Thanks! |
| 04:11.11 | AbsoRayne | Hey Cairenn, youre Canadian arent you? |
| 04:11.18 | Cairenn | yes I am |
| 04:11.25 | AbsoRayne | Did it snow over your way this week? |
| 04:11.37 | Cairenn | bite your tongue! |
| 04:11.45 | AbsoRayne | :B |
| 04:11.49 | Cairenn | no, thank goodness, otherwise I might be homicidal |
| 04:12.09 | AbsoRayne | Its been snowing lightly in Edmonton for 3 friggin days. -_- |
| 04:12.32 | Cairenn | we actually had our first bbq yesterday |
| 04:12.58 | Cairenn | which is a nice change, since <3 weeks ago we still had 8' snowbanks |
| 04:18.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub: are you going to update friendswithbenefits & rawr! ? they seem to have some issues with dongle/dongle-beta not being present :P |
| 04:18.56 | sag_ich_nicht | (or being present, i'm not sure) |
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| 04:25.14 | AbsoRayne | Cairenn: Wanna buy a kitten? Or 4? :B |
| 04:25.22 | Cairenn | newp |
| 04:25.27 | AbsoRayne | :< |
| 04:25.27 | Cairenn | have 2 cats now, that's enough |
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| 04:25.43 | Shirik | Cairenn + her daughter = 2 cats |
| 04:25.51 | Shirik | s/cats/kittens/ |
| 04:26.27 | Shirik | (00:10:57) (AbsoRayne) Did it snow over your way this week? |
| 04:26.28 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 04:26.31 | Shirik | hey Cairenn |
| 04:26.33 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 04:26.41 | AbsoRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/ktens.jpg How can you say no to faces like that?! :< |
| 04:26.43 | Shirik | and it's midnight at this temperature :P |
| 04:27.23 | Cairenn | Shirik: 14C here right now (57.2F) |
| 04:27.29 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 04:27.45 | Shirik | that's what it's been like here for about 3 months now |
| 04:28.14 | Shirik | :< |
| 04:28.17 | Cairenn | what, you forgot that cats have claws? |
| 04:30.22 | Cairenn | it isn't all purring and silky softness |
| 04:30.49 | sag_ich_nicht | we'll fix that right there. |
| 04:31.19 | Cairenn | AbsoRayne: not fair, but still no |
| 04:31.22 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, i wonder if someone was insane enough to... |
| 04:31.24 | sag_ich_nicht | ~declaw Cairenn |
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| 04:31.30 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm, apparently not |
| 04:31.40 | Cairenn | hey Alex :) |
| 04:31.42 | AlexanderYoshi | Congrats on the engagement Kirov! |
| 04:33.51 | AbsoRayne | Cairenn: Arent they adorable? :P |
| 04:34.05 | Cairenn | yes, and I still don't want another one |
| 04:34.25 | Shirik | sure you do |
| 04:34.27 | Shirik | just look at him |
| 04:34.29 | AlexanderYoshi | children? |
| 04:34.30 | AlexanderYoshi | ? |
| 04:34.32 | AlexanderYoshi | :( |
| 04:34.58 | sag_ich_nicht | AlexanderYoshi: kittens |
| 04:35.13 | AlexanderYoshi | ah |
| 04:35.24 | Shirik | Cairenn, just look at the top left one |
| 04:35.30 | Shirik | she's so sad because she has nobody to love her |
| 04:35.36 | Shirik | you could be the one that brings joy to her life |
| 04:36.16 | Shirik | :( no? |
| 04:36.26 | End | oh wow, I can use the scroll wheel to scroll through old things I've typed in irssi :o |
| 04:37.23 | End | or to quote myself earlier: |
| 04:37.41 | Shirik | !q End |
| 04:37.42 | batbot | Shirik, end said: "or to quote myself earlier:". |
| 04:37.43 | End | wow, that was a lot of dust |
| 04:37.53 | Shirik | !q End |
| 04:37.54 | batbot | Shirik, end said: "wow, that was a lot of dust". |
| 04:37.56 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:37.58 | End | lol |
| 04:38.00 | Shirik | doesn't batbot have any memory? >< |
| 04:38.02 | End | ~fail batbot |
| 04:38.02 | purl | batbot: FAIL! |
| 04:38.13 | End | !q End |
| 04:38.14 | batbot | End, end said: "~fail batbot". |
| 04:38.16 | End | lol |
| 04:38.25 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: The top left one is a boy. <_< |
| 04:38.43 | AbsoRayne | All the rest are girls. >_> |
| 04:39.09 | AbsoRayne | WHY ARE THE FORUMS SO DAMN SLOW |
| 04:39.30 | AbsoRayne | Server is busy, please try again |
| 04:40.01 | Kirov | Has anyone experimented with how many bad item links you have to get to get booted? |
| 04:40.10 | Kirov | (can you?) |
| 04:43.58 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.00 | Guillotine | in a small time |
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| 04:44.29 | Kirov | ie: natural human interaction shouldn't cause it |
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| 04:50.43 | [melin] | Kirov bad item links? |
| 04:56.08 | Kirov | melin - invalid, ie: the server hasn't seen them yet, or they don't exist at all |
| 04:57.07 | [melin] | ah |
| 04:58.04 | [melin] | you cant link one single of those I think.. I tried to make fake itemlinks once.. as in - link to real items but with a different word to click on - got booted out instantly |
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| 05:02.42 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 05:02.50 | Shirik | no! |
| 05:02.52 | Shirik | not okay! |
| 05:02.59 | sag_ich_nicht | protip: don't drink a guiness when you're hungry. you'll get WAY more hungry afterwards. |
| 05:03.34 | WobWork | sag_ich_nicht: Guinness. The Meal in a Glass |
| 05:03.43 | Nechckn | that's a sign you need more Guinness |
| 05:03.59 | sag_ich_nicht | ya |
| 05:04.00 | sag_ich_nicht | i figured |
| 05:06.58 | Guillotine | [melin]: It is now much more forgiving with invalid links than it used to be |
| 05:07.12 | [melin] | oh? |
| 05:07.42 | [melin] | so its possible to make a [Basketball] that when you click it - shows the lets say Hearthstone ? |
| 05:07.56 | [melin] | or is it only forgiving for actual ingame items |
| 05:14.46 | Shirik | well this is awesome |
| 05:15.05 | Syzgyn | [melin]:I'm pretty sure you can spoof itemlinks like that without a problem |
| 05:15.19 | [melin] | Im gonna have to try :P |
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| 05:15.21 | Shirik | WoW is playing sounds just fine, but down in the bottom right corner I see a speaker with a red X through it. When I hover over it, it says "No audio device installed" |
| 05:15.38 | Shirik | So I right click it and choose "playback devices" and see my speakers there saying "working" so I right click it and hit "test" and hear sound |
| 05:15.44 | Shirik | but pandora.com refuses to play any sound |
| 05:15.45 | sag_ich_nicht | wow |
| 05:15.46 | Kirov | Syzgyn & melin - no, it is not possible to make links like that |
| 05:15.58 | Syzgyn | I disagree, I just did |
| 05:16.15 | sag_ich_nicht | people are retarded, i just got a tell basicially stating "hi can a steal your BT ID?" |
| 05:16.16 | Syzgyn | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cffffffff\124Hitem:6948:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h[Basketball]\124h\124r"); |
| 05:16.22 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:16.25 | Guillotine | Syzgyn/melin: You can't make that. It just won't d/c you |
| 05:16.29 | Guillotine | at least you can't link it |
| 05:16.42 | Guillotine | it'll turn it into pure text [Basketball] |
| 05:16.43 | Syzgyn | I |
| 05:16.49 | Syzgyn | oh, so it is |
| 05:16.55 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, it won't |
| 05:17.01 | sag_ich_nicht | it'll turn it into a normal hearthstone link |
| 05:17.02 | Syzgyn | if you try to shift click it it turns into hearthstone again |
| 05:17.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i just tested :P |
| 05:17.03 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 05:17.11 | Syzgyn | but you can do it locally at least :P |
| 05:17.29 | Kirov | yes |
| 05:17.38 | [melin] | but thats no fun :P |
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| 05:17.50 | Crysli | Sure it is |
| 05:18.04 | Crysli | If you want to impress a newbie visiting you |
| 05:18.09 | [melin] | hehe |
| 05:18.37 | Crysli | Somewhat limited possibilities once he goes "Ooh, click it!" though. |
| 05:19.17 | [melin] | :P |
| 05:19.42 | Kirov | You used to be able to make links that said just about anything, even witha valid tooltip |
| 05:20.27 | Guillotine | You can now too :P |
| 05:20.30 | Guillotine | If you know how |
| 05:20.34 | Guillotine | well, you can spoof the stats |
| 05:20.35 | Guillotine | not the name |
| 05:20.46 | [melin] | my kid is crazy... |
| 05:20.56 | [melin] | he's 1 years old.. and he LOVES hot spiced things |
| 05:21.04 | WobWork | shows he has taste |
| 05:21.08 | [melin] | atm he's munching on Pringles Hot n Spicy |
| 05:21.17 | WobWork | which at 1 year old, is pretty good |
| 05:21.41 | [melin] | and he gets pissed if I take it away so.. :D |
| 05:22.04 | Crysli | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3705012557&sid=1 - WTF |
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| 05:23.00 | [melin] | Crysli :P some people |
| 05:23.21 | cogwheel | the people who took him seriously are worse imo |
| 05:23.24 | [melin] | Im gonna mail Blizz and ask them to remove the hunter class.. I know 2 guys who died that used to be hunters.. |
| 05:23.35 | [melin] | ok they died of old age but they were hunters. |
| 05:23.46 | Crysli | They shouldn't allow hunters to reach 70, then |
| 05:24.03 | [melin] | "DIng 68!!" *You have died* "wtf?..." |
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| 05:24.36 | Crysli | Age crits you for 12345 |
| 05:24.38 | Crysli | You die. |
| 05:25.33 | [melin] | anyway - anyone have: 1. the pathways for class textures - 2. a table of all areas and what country they belong to? |
| 05:26.32 | MentalPower | [melin]: 1) that does not exist they're all in one texture 2) you can programatically create that ingame |
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| 05:28.19 | Nechckn | cogwheel you think that was a joke? j/w if I am missing something obvious |
| 05:28.29 | Nechckn | which I may well be doing =) |
| 05:28.51 | MentalPower | anyways, gnight all |
| 05:28.55 | Crysli | Night |
| 05:29.59 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 05:31.00 | Guillotine | night MP <3 |
| 05:31.36 | Syzgyn | quick, how do I say lol to horde as alliance? |
| 05:32.04 | Tain | "lol to horde as alliance" |
| 05:32.49 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:32.55 | End | just say lol. we know what you mean when you say bur :P |
| 05:32.59 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 05:33.02 | WobWork | kek |
| 05:33.07 | [melin] | hehe yea |
| 05:33.10 | Syzgyn | I had 3 paladins chasing my shaman in dustwallow |
| 05:33.18 | Syzgyn | like, drop everything to futily try and kill me |
| 05:33.45 | Syzgyn | then they brought in a 70 hunter |
| 05:33.51 | Syzgyn | and I didnt even do anything to them |
| 05:33.58 | WobWork | how do three -anything- fail to kill one person? |
| 05:34.07 | Syzgyn | insta-ghost wolf |
| 05:34.11 | WobWork | were they of hugely lesser level? |
| 05:34.13 | Syzgyn | plus, they were bad |
| 05:34.14 | Syzgyn | no |
| 05:34.25 | Syzgyn | all around 26 |
| 05:34.26 | Syzgyn | er |
| 05:34.27 | Syzgyn | 36 |
| 05:34.39 | WobWork | That's pretty bad |
| 05:34.43 | [melin] | and you are? |
| 05:34.44 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 05:34.47 | Syzgyn | 36 |
| 05:34.57 | Syzgyn | they even got several stuns off |
| 05:35.03 | Syzgyn | best they could do was 50% |
| 05:35.09 | WobWork | well ghostwolf doesn't daze at lesat |
| 05:35.17 | WobWork | a lack of ranged =) |
| 05:35.29 | Syzgyn | but even with judgement of justice |
| 05:36.07 | Syzgyn | they were just bad |
| 05:36.11 | sag_ich_nicht | wow |
| 05:36.14 | sag_ich_nicht | they must have sucked |
| 05:36.35 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 05:36.38 | [melin] | nah.. havent you heard the story about the Shaman outside Orgrimmar? |
| 05:36.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Syzgyn what you mean only works with JoJ rank 2 |
| 05:36.48 | sag_ich_nicht | which you don't have at level 36 |
| 05:36.55 | Syzgyn | ooh |
| 05:37.05 | AbsoRayne | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=grG8D2CLCWc I fucking want one. |
| 05:37.06 | AbsoRayne | So bad. |
| 05:37.10 | AbsoRayne | Someone get me one. |
| 05:37.32 | sag_ich_nicht | wapanese. |
| 05:37.50 | Syzgyn | so whats the point of judgement of justice before that then? |
| 05:38.11 | sag_ich_nicht | it prevents mobs from running away in fear |
| 05:38.20 | sag_ich_nicht | which is quite useful. |
| 05:38.26 | Syzgyn | ah, ok |
| 05:38.30 | Syzgyn | so they were just bad |
| 05:38.39 | Kirov | It's a spherical, hairless furbie |
| 05:38.56 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 05:39.03 | WobWork | sag_ich_nicht: Sort of like Curse of Recklessness? |
| 05:39.07 | sag_ich_nicht | what you want AbsoRayne, is this: http://xkcd.com/413/ |
| 05:39.15 | WobWork | sag_ich_nicht: Agreed |
| 05:39.26 | WobWork | Even without looking at the link I know what it is =) |
| 05:39.28 | sag_ich_nicht | WobWork: no |
| 05:39.36 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 05:39.38 | sag_ich_nicht | actually yes |
| 05:39.44 | sag_ich_nicht | except it doesn't make them immune to fear |
| 05:39.52 | WobWork | ie, more a "not flee" than a "not get away" |
| 05:39.58 | sag_ich_nicht | ya |
| 05:40.14 | sag_ich_nicht | no fear/horror ignore, but anti-flee |
| 05:40.35 | WobWork | hm, can anyone else get to www.github.com atm? |
| 05:41.04 | sag_ich_nicht | nope, broken |
| 05:41.09 | WobWork | alas =( |
| 05:46.12 | Kirov | Where is the ignore list stored? |
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| 05:49.24 | Crysli | Well, off to school. Bye all. |
| 05:49.44 | [melin] | Kirov good question.. Id say the WTF folder but cant find anything in it |
| 05:50.02 | Kirov | yeah |
| 05:50.02 | sag_ich_nicht | serversided. |
| 05:50.13 | sag_ich_nicht | just like your flist |
| 05:50.14 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 05:50.17 | Kirov | damn |
| 05:51.30 | [melin] | Id wish they'd release account ID to characters.. |
| 05:52.03 | [melin] | so when you target someone you could (make an addon for) see "Alt to Kirov" |
| 05:53.08 | Syzgyn | thats exactly what they dont want you to be able to do |
| 05:53.38 | [melin] | I know.. I still want to tho =) |
| 05:53.41 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 05:54.27 | [melin] | wonder if its a good idea to make a function in the guildaddon to update your publicnote automaticly with some basic info every 10 seconds or so.. |
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| 05:54.46 | [melin] | profession skill levels and coords.. |
| 05:55.27 | Syzgyn | why? theres a guild addon channel |
| 05:55.47 | Syzgyn | anything that dynamic can just be passed that way |
| 05:56.10 | [melin] | .. I didnt know that :P will it occupy one of the 10 channels you can be in or is everyone in a guild already in it? |
| 05:56.31 | WobWork | no, it's an addon channel |
| 05:56.48 | [melin] | well.. tbh - Ive never used one of those |
| 05:56.53 | Syzgyn | you can do something like SendAddonMessage("GUILD", ID, text) |
| 05:56.55 | WobWork | it will communicate with any other addon |
| 05:57.09 | WobWork | that's listening for your prefix |
| 05:57.14 | [melin] | ah sweet |
| 05:57.26 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 05:59.35 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5974362734&postId=59737773764&sid=1#0 <-- I think these Feral Druid suggestions aren't OP. |
| 06:00.22 | [melin] | I think they should allow Moonkins to use hot's :P then Id be unbeatable |
| 06:01.23 | AlexanderYoshi | HOw about Blizzard just make Moonkin viable |
| 06:01.32 | WobWork | that'd be a good start |
| 06:01.43 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 06:01.51 | WobWork | is that going to happen Al? =) |
| 06:01.52 | sag_ich_nicht | making moonkins viable only requires a small talent tree change |
| 06:01.57 | Kirov | Technically, the SendAddonMessage() command sends two strings (that together can only have 254 characters) to a specific group. The first one is usually the prefix (some unique identifier you make for your addon), but some very bad people send data through both |
| 06:02.07 | sag_ich_nicht | and that is making Imp. FF actually archivable without gimping yourself |
| 06:02.15 | Thrae | PvP Moonkins could benefit from Swiftshifting from the Feral Suggestions |
| 06:02.24 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: ...acheivable? |
| 06:02.30 | WobWork | yeah |
| 06:02.36 | [melin] | Kirov yea Im readon on it :P |
| 06:02.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae: typo, bite me :P |
| 06:02.56 | [melin] | reading* |
| 06:03.02 | WobWork | I'm impressed you spelled archivable correctly =) |
| 06:03.34 | Thrae | That's like a brain typo (and I would be a hypocrite to berate one for doing so) |
| 06:03.50 | Thrae | I do it all the thyme |
| 06:03.52 | WobWork | The fingers know not what the brain is doing |
| 06:03.56 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae: ya |
| 06:04.05 | sag_ich_nicht | worst kind of typo |
| 06:04.06 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 06:04.23 | WobWork | Reminds me of the FarSide cartoon where the left hand is plotting the right hand's death |
| 06:05.20 | Thrae | Without playing a Boomkin, I'm guessing they have these issues: In PvE, damage scaling and threat. In PvP, damage scaling and shifting costs. |
| 06:05.28 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Typo Faerie |
| 06:05.28 | purl | blames Typo Faerie for all the evil in the world |
| 06:05.34 | Syzgyn | FFS, these horde dont get it |
| 06:05.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Thrae: which is what i said. |
| 06:06.18 | Thrae | sag_ich_nicht: I thought you said "make Imp. FF acheivable without gimping yourself" |
| 06:06.21 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 06:06.34 | sag_ich_nicht | making it so you can actually get Imp. FF without gimping yourself would mean the ability to spec full aggro reduce in the resto tree :P |
| 06:06.49 | sag_ich_nicht | and then the addition of Imp. FF makes up for the - in damage |
| 06:06.50 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 06:06.54 | Thrae | Ah, true, Imp. FF does help a lot in raids |
| 06:07.07 | Thrae | Is the +hit for both melee and spell? |
| 06:07.21 | sag_ich_nicht | melee & ranged physical |
| 06:07.25 | sag_ich_nicht | afaik |
| 06:07.28 | Thrae | Only physical then |
| 06:07.28 | Syzgyn | yes |
| 06:07.40 | Thrae | Imp. FF should be +hit to all attacks |
| 06:07.46 | sag_ich_nicht | never know how "ranged attacks" is to be interpreted :P |
| 06:07.56 | Thrae | "physical damage" |
| 06:08.03 | Syzgyn | its part of melee hit rating isnt it? |
| 06:08.16 | sag_ich_nicht | blizz should really rework the tooltips in regards to that imho :P |
| 06:09.24 | WobWork | there's a lot of tooltips that need work |
| 06:09.53 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 06:10.00 | Kirov | I really don't know why more of the tooltips aren't generated |
| 06:10.37 | Syzgyn | cuz it'd take a pretty decent re-write probably |
| 06:10.49 | Syzgyn | maybe for wotlk |
| 06:11.49 | Thrae | You could make a Lua addon that fixes the tooltips ;) |
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| 06:12.07 | Shirik | Yes! http://xkcd.com/ |
| 06:12.34 | Thrae | Shirik: I have one of those "One Laptop Per Child" laptops |
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| 06:22.08 | Kirov | omni wheels = awesome |
| 06:22.23 | sag_ich_nicht | those aren't omniwheels |
| 06:22.41 | sag_ich_nicht | these are mecanum wheels :/ |
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| 06:26.39 | Kirov | same shit, different name |
| 06:26.45 | Syzgyn | is it acceptable to start a topic about my addon on the wowace forums if its not on the SVN? |
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| 06:38.48 | WobWork | Does it use Ace? |
| 06:40.43 | WobWork | I'd say that the forums are really only for Ace addons |
| 06:40.52 | WobWork | the SVN itself is a little more open |
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| 06:41.04 | nevcairiel | tuller created threads on the ace forums all the time =P |
| 06:41.17 | nevcairiel | well to be fair, his latest addons use acen ow |
| 06:41.19 | nevcairiel | *now |
| 06:41.23 | WobWork | that's cause he was abusing the svn =) |
| 06:41.42 | Cairenn | or you could go to one of the non-coding-library-specific mod hosting sites .... |
| 06:41.52 | widgertick | Blasphemer! |
| 06:41.52 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:40] <WobWork> I'd say that the forums are really only for Ace addons <--o rly |
| 06:42.27 | WobWork | well I'd hope so =P |
| 06:42.33 | WobWork | Since it's like... the wowace forums |
| 06:42.37 | WobWork | and not the wowaddons forums |
| 06:42.42 | zenzio | Cairenn: you mean curse? |
| 06:42.45 | WobWork | that's what wowi-forums are for |
| 06:42.54 | Cairenn | sure, if that is the author's choice |
| 06:43.07 | widgertick | DOUBLE BLASPHEMER! |
| 06:43.10 | zenzio | meh, you're not supposed to take it so lightly :-( |
| 06:43.24 | WobWork | Cairenn never froths at the mouth |
| 06:43.30 | WobWork | (except when brushing her teeth) |
| 06:43.38 | Cairenn | at least not publicly ;) |
| 06:43.42 | Shirik | no |
| 06:43.45 | Shirik | she just claws your eyes out |
| 06:43.49 | zenzio | don't have to froth; can still be clever |
| 06:43.59 | Cairenn | only yours Shirik sweetie :) |
| 06:44.13 | Shirik | like how do you even respond to that? |
| 06:44.23 | Shirik | Am I supposed to be happy or sad? |
| 06:44.29 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:44.31 | sag_ich_nicht | WobWork: except, you know, if you already use the SVN |
| 06:44.43 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
| 06:44.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm still hungry |
| 06:44.47 | sag_ich_nicht | send meat |
| 06:44.48 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 06:45.21 | Shirik | (02:44:42) DCC Send of meat to sag_ich_nicht: Unable to open file |
| 06:45.23 | Shirik | :< |
| 06:45.48 | nevcairiel | you have to extract meat from cow first |
| 06:46.02 | nevcairiel | and if you wonder where the cow is .. i think WobWork had a addon to help with that |
| 06:46.09 | Thrae | I forgot about Frenzied Regeneration |
| 06:46.10 | Shirik | apt-get install moo |
| 06:47.05 | Corrodias | it's probably best to forget about FR in most circumstances |
| 06:47.17 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+ntcg] by ChanServ |
| 06:47.40 | Shirik | ChanServ, you are strange |
| 06:47.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-s] by Cairenn |
| 06:47.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+ntcg] by ChanServ |
| 06:48.06 | Shirik | yes yes, we heard you the first time |
| 06:48.20 | Thrae | How does instead of 25 health, it restores 10 + [0.03% to 0.05% of your total health] per second? |
| 06:48.57 | Thrae | Whoops, that's 0.3% to 0.5% |
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| 07:02.35 | Nechckn | Hrm... Garona will not let me connect |
| 07:02.57 | Nechckn | but it shows as up and all of my other servers get the character list, etc... |
| 07:03.27 | Nechckn | Looks like my Tauren wants my attention so bad he has sabotaged the connection |
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| 07:14.54 | Industrial | "Iâm not seeing requirements for general Web 1.0 skills -- HTML programming skills," says Debbie Joy, lead solution architect for CSC in Phoenix. |
| 07:14.58 | Industrial | solution architect ... |
| 07:15.08 | Industrial | I bask in your importance :| |
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| 07:15.42 | Industrial | http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/export/home/httpd/htdocs/news/2008/041708-careers-sidebar.html&pagename=/news/2008/041708-careers-sidebar.html&pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/041708-careers-sidebar.html&site |
| 07:15.46 | Industrial | lonh link is long |
| 07:19.28 | Kalroth | "won�t" |
| 07:20.54 | Industrial | http://flickr.com/photos/kielbryant/857238875/sizes/l/ |
| 07:21.47 | AlexanderYoshi | neat |
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| 07:26.03 | leethal | wonââ¬â¢t |
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| 07:33.35 | Kalroth | Industrial, this page is dumb |
| 07:33.44 | Kalroth | "As companies embrace Web 2.0 technologies such AJAX, demand for skills in HTML programming are taking a back seat." |
| 07:33.56 | Industrial | Kalroth: yes thats why i posted it |
| 07:33.57 | Kalroth | YUS, NO I AJAX, NO MOAR HTML! |
| 07:34.00 | Kalroth | oh |
| 07:34.10 | Industrial | "solution architect" :p |
| 07:34.25 | Industrial | ->school |
| 07:35.02 | Kalroth | haha, the legacy programming language paragraph is utter shite too :) |
| 07:35.23 | Kalroth | "There is still a lot of C and Cobol around, though these skills are worth very little paywise," |
| 07:35.40 | Kalroth | Yes, because there pops new Cobol programmers up every day |
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| 07:37.20 | Thrae | "Considering those that are working at jobs that desperately need the skills of a Cobol and/or C programmer seem to live forever and never retire...damn them." |
| 07:38.38 | Thrae | "Of course, that's because they never do any actual work except a few hotfixes here and there and answer questions for the people that work on the .NET front-end (well, if he feels like it), and rake in 180,000/year." |
| 07:39.37 | _rane | i'm using CandyBar-2.0 to create bars, how could i make them draggable? |
| 07:40.13 | Elkano | "I'm a high payed specialist." - "For what?" - "Forgot that... to little work on topic..." |
| 07:40.20 | AlexanderYoshi | What level is Swamp of Sorrows? |
| 07:40.28 | [melin] | 40+? |
| 07:40.32 | AlexanderYoshi | damn |
| 07:40.32 | AlexanderYoshi | ok |
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| 07:40.44 | [melin] | check the online map for more accurate data ;O |
| 07:40.45 | [melin] | :P |
| 07:41.05 | Thrae | Swamp of Sorrows is a Level 85 Elite mob that uses Ice spells that have added Poison effects. |
| 07:41.21 | Thrae | You need a full 40-man raid to take on the entire Swamp! |
| 07:41.25 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Zone |
| 07:41.30 | Kalroth | ~wedgie Thrae |
| 07:41.31 | purl | ACTION hangs Thrae from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 07:50.11 | sag_ich_nicht | more macro slots. guildy is annoying me. addon name? |
| 07:54.21 | leethal | google is annoying me, too |
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| 08:00.26 | Fisker- | YourMother sag_ich_nicht |
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| 08:11.08 | wereHamster | 4345643 |
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| 08:35.13 | [melin] | is there anyway to detect when/if a PlayMusic is finished? |
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| 08:43.27 | [melin] | anyone know how I can stop a PlaySoundFile()? :D |
| 08:44.52 | [melin] | oh.. you cant.. :( |
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| 08:55.01 | [Ammo] | [melin]: you started a 12 hour reading of pride and prejudice audiobook? :) |
| 08:55.10 | [melin] | hehe |
| 08:56.17 | [melin] | nah making an mp3 player |
| 09:00.09 | Xinhuan | play a new sound |
| 09:00.19 | [melin] | didnt work :P |
| 09:00.20 | Xinhuan | maybe that would work |
| 09:00.24 | [melin] | they play on top of each other |
| 09:00.28 | [melin] | had to shut down the game |
| 09:00.29 | Xinhuan | even if its the same sound? |
| 09:00.33 | [melin] | yup |
| 09:00.46 | [melin] | was hoping I could use PlaySoundFile instead of Music - but nope |
| 09:01.04 | [melin] | now I need a way to find out when a PlayMusic event ends |
| 09:02.35 | Kalroth | So you want people to copy their mp3 files into your addon folder, in other to listen to them ingame? :) |
| 09:02.54 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure everyone will keep using an external music player |
| 09:03.37 | [melin] | no.. Im making this for me |
| 09:03.55 | [melin] | plus - now I can listen to music while raiding since the volume goes down if someone uses VC (as in - the RL) |
| 09:05.26 | [melin] | bah.. seems there arent any function for OnMusicEnd etc.. |
| 09:05.46 | [melin] | means I will have to include song length into my table.. and make an Update function and crap.. |
| 09:12.21 | ramoz | [melin]: your guild uses ingame voice chat? |
| 09:12.33 | [melin] | yes.. and it works perfect |
| 09:12.54 | reqol | the offset of a frame is always relative to its parent unless specified otherwise, right? |
| 09:13.03 | ramoz | Ok, last time i tried it, it had horrible quality compared to VT/TS |
| 09:13.31 | [melin] | yea Ive heard others have that aswell.. but its working for us =) |
| 09:13.38 | [melin] | and we only allow RL to speak anyway |
| 09:14.06 | ramoz | ok |
| 09:14.11 | ramoz | wish our VT was like that =( |
| 09:14.12 | Thrae | I usually only allow RL people to speak too, but sometimes my computer decides it wants to play too. |
| 09:15.14 | Thrae | The problem with WoW's in-game voice chat is that it doesn't have near the hardware support of Ventrillo, or even Teamspeak. This is because, in the case of Ventrillo, it's a pay-for server software that has been development for a long-ass time. Teamspeak, also, has been in development for a long-ass time. |
| 09:15.31 | Thrae | With good sound cards / usb headsets, WoW's in-game voice chat works fine. |
| 09:16.04 | Xinhuan | wow voice chat doesn't have as much control as to who can speak, and who can listen in |
| 09:16.25 | Thrae | Yeah, I was just speaking of the quality, to speak. In letters. |
| 09:17.04 | Xinhuan | someone should do a survey of the top 500 raiding guilds and see which they use |
| 09:17.16 | Xinhuan | Vent, TS, in game wow voice chat, or no voice chat |
| 09:17.19 | Xinhuan | and do a breakdown |
| 09:17.37 | [melin] | well.. tbh - cant care less about what others are using =) since VC works for us =) |
| 09:17.37 | Stanzilla | TS here :D |
| 09:27.38 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.idkwtf.com/videos/latest-videos/is-europe-a-country america at it's best |
| 09:29.36 | Cairenn | oh |
| 09:29.37 | Cairenn | my |
| 09:29.38 | Cairenn | god |
| 09:31.32 | sag_ich_nicht | ya |
| 09:37.47 | zenzio | I'm still more appaled by the Americans who can't name a single country starting with U |
| 09:40.46 | |Pixel| | Ukraine ? |
| 09:40.54 | zenzio | United States of America |
| 09:41.01 | Elkano | zenzio, there are also many people that, asked for the given name of George W. Bush, can't give an answer ^^ |
| 09:41.28 | zenzio | I don't find that as odd; your country doesn't change every 4 years |
| 09:41.40 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 09:41.54 | sag_ich_nicht | either tourguide or doublewide are causing taint errors if you login while dead |
| 09:42.09 | sag_ich_nicht | (apparently) |
| 09:42.25 | Thrae | Probably TourGuide |
| 09:42.39 | haste | Thrae: since doublewide changes the default QLog frame and all :p ? |
| 09:42.49 | haste | but taint errors aren't always "errors" |
| 09:42.51 | Thrae | haste: Iriel making a mistake is unpossible |
| 09:43.10 | haste | I'm guessing it's sag_ich_nicht making the mistake, and no-one of the authos |
| 09:43.19 | Thrae | Better yet! |
| 09:43.50 | sag_ich_nicht | haste: they are error messages, and you can prevent them |
| 09:44.03 | Snago | His first mistake was dieing |
| 09:44.12 | Snago | Then he logged out without ressing |
| 09:44.17 | sag_ich_nicht | Snago ya |
| 09:44.19 | sag_ich_nicht | because |
| 09:44.21 | haste | he probably got ganked |
| 09:44.22 | sag_ich_nicht | i logged on my rogue |
| 09:44.23 | haste | and went emo D: |
| 09:44.27 | sag_ich_nicht | and ganked the assholes |
| 09:44.30 | sag_ich_nicht | for 30 minutes |
| 09:44.30 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 09:44.35 | haste | â what did I say |
| 09:45.15 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 09:45.18 | sag_ich_nicht | gimme that arrow. |
| 09:47.24 | haste | <Alt Gr><Shift>U ! |
| 09:47.36 | haste | I hope you have a linux box and a keyboard layout with <Alt Gr> |
| 09:48.11 | Snago | ? |
| 09:48.26 | sag_ich_nicht | haste: i have alt gr but not a linux box |
| 09:48.28 | sag_ich_nicht | well i have one |
| 09:48.30 | sag_ich_nicht | but this is not it |
| 09:48.31 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 09:49.11 | zenzio | doesn't linux also alias Ctrl+Alt as Alt-Gr? |
| 09:49.17 | haste | nope |
| 09:49.21 | sag_ich_nicht | nop |
| 09:49.23 | sag_ich_nicht | *nope |
| 09:49.43 | sag_ich_nicht | and if the text on your alt key isn't green |
| 09:49.50 | sag_ich_nicht | you're doing something wrong anyway |
| 09:49.50 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 09:49.51 | haste | green :p ? |
| 09:49.57 | leethal | Alt Gr ftw |
| 09:50.15 | haste | leethal: yes, it's win, but the rest of the layout is completly fail |
| 09:50.42 | haste | I have my VM switching over to en_US layout if there is a vim session running on the desktop |
| 09:50.51 | haste | as I completly hate coding using nb_NO |
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| 09:51.23 | sag_ich_nicht | [11:49] <haste> green :p ? <--yes, green :P |
| 09:51.35 | Snago | Alt Gr(een)? |
| 09:51.43 | haste | teh funnay! |
| 09:52.21 | |Pixel| | "Alternative Graphic", myeah |
| 09:52.26 | Adys | [11:49:18] <zenzio> doesn't linux also alias Ctrl+Alt as Alt-Gr? |
| 09:52.32 | Adys | xkb can enable that |
| 09:53.17 | zenzio | nice to know, thanks =) |
| 09:53.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Snago: i'm not talking about Alt Gr |
| 09:53.58 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm talking about the normal alt key. |
| 09:54.15 | sag_ich_nicht | if the text in yours isn't green, you're doing it wrong |
| 09:54.15 | sag_ich_nicht | :> |
| 09:55.17 | haste | I don't have text on my normal alt key! |
| 09:55.28 | sag_ich_nicht | fail |
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| 10:22.38 | Snago | sag_ich_nicht: please, enlighten us... Why should Alt be green? |
| 10:23.19 | ramoz | cause its pro |
| 10:24.27 | Snago | My alt is blue. I'm not pro? :( |
| 10:25.18 | Thrae | My alt is purple, because he's a Night Elf. |
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| 10:25.18 | sag_ich_nicht | BECAUSE IT'S GREEN ON THE MODEL M! |
| 10:25.19 | sag_ich_nicht | durrrrrrrrr |
| 10:25.50 | Snago | Probably gonna get some more slapping but here goes... What is a model M? |
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| 10:29.42 | art3mis | http://www.rlslog.net/western-digital-intros-superfast-25-drive/ |
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| 10:46.47 | sag_ich_nicht | 1. don't link rlslog 2. http://loliserv.org/imageboardView.php?id=733 <--what the hell someone explain this trend to me (possibly NSFW, if you boss or coworkers read text really quickly) |
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| 10:48.21 | art3mis | yes links about anal fisting are much more appropriate |
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| 10:48.39 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis it's more a link about google. |
| 10:48.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it just uses this as an example. |
| 10:48.49 | sag_ich_nicht | and i told you it might be NSFW :P |
| 10:48.59 | sag_ich_nicht | but good job making the IRC NSFW too now! |
| 10:49.15 | art3mis | and my link happens to be about awesome hardware, not about a site devoted to warez ;) |
| 10:49.34 | sag_ich_nicht | it's still on a site devoted to warez :P |
| 10:49.42 | art3mis | and? |
| 10:49.52 | sag_ich_nicht | oh, nothing. |
| 10:49.53 | art3mis | i tend to give credit to people to know the difference ;P |
| 10:50.02 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 10:52.42 | Kalroth | haha, pre channel |
| 10:57.16 | mikma | i can explain that link |
| 10:57.27 | mikma | that's when people realized goatse is real |
| 10:57.33 | mikma | and they wanted to know how it's done |
| 11:07.53 | Atriace | How do you test for if a global is a frame or not? |
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| 11:10.20 | Elkano | besides checking a signature, don't know |
| 11:11.01 | Atriace | Signature? |
| 11:12.30 | leethal | EnumerateFrames might have something |
| 11:12.38 | leethal | or EnumerateFrame, can't remember |
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| 11:20.22 | Atriace | I got it. A frame always has a parent, so by testing if parent.testedFrame then should work. |
| 11:21.00 | Atriace | Well... at least in my case. |
| 11:22.33 | Mikk | type(var[0])=="userdata" and var.GetType and var.GetType()=="Frame" |
| 11:22.43 | Mikk | not a 100% guarantee but damn close |
| 11:23.00 | Mikk | err i meant: type(var[0])=="userdata" and var.GetType and var:GetType()=="Frame" |
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| 11:49.44 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm too lazy to read PIL, how do i call a function in a different file of the addon? :P |
| 11:58.00 | [melin] | just call it? |
| 11:58.11 | [melin] | Im calling functions in other addons the same way I call them in the same addon |
| 12:01.29 | Snago | sag_ich_nicht: as long as the function is a global or the object itself is a global (like MyAddon:MyFunction) you can just call it |
| 12:02.03 | Snago | Otherwise you need to save it in a global table in the file you define it and retrieve that table in the other file |
| 12:02.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Snago: it was a loadorder problem, fixed already :P |
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| 12:10.02 | sag_ich_nicht | HA |
| 12:10.19 | sag_ich_nicht | finally caught that bugger AnduinLothar, it was coming from engbags actually :X |
| 12:10.41 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/86233 |
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| 13:04.50 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/21/funny-pictures-hey-u-hav-perty-eyez/ |
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| 13:19.42 | sag_ich_nicht | AlexanderYoshi: is it intentionally that setting ACTION_SWING_DAMAGE = ""; causes internal strings to be exposed? |
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| 13:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, good morning zenzio! *hug* |
| 13:32.06 | zenzio | :) |
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| 13:57.56 | Atriace | is GetType() a C function? |
| 13:58.09 | Atriace | I can't find a reference for it in the WoW API or Lua.org |
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| 13:59.40 | Atriace | ping |
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| 14:06.03 | Atriace | Anyone know where I can find documentation on GetType()? |
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| 14:11.04 | wereHamster | Frame:GetType() ? |
| 14:12.14 | wereHamster | are you sure this function exists? |
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| 14:12.33 | Atriace | No, I'm not. |
| 14:12.42 | Atriace | Mikk typed: type(var[0])=="userdata" and var.GetType and var:GetType()=="Frame" |
| 14:13.16 | Bela|work | sounds like a user created function |
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| 14:13.40 | Bela|work | probably a wrapper for a series of type(arg) == "type" checks |
| 14:13.50 | Bela|work | among other things |
| 14:14.06 | Atriace | Perhaps It's the wrong approach anyway.... |
| 14:14.19 | Atriace | I've got a problem (now typying...) |
| 14:15.16 | Atriace | I want to create a frame with a name derived from a variable that is a string, but I don't want to create it if that frame already exists. So, I want to test if the string exists as a frame, but... I don't know how to do that. |
| 14:16.34 | Mikk | Atriace: humm might be GetFrameType even |
| 14:16.37 | Mikk | 2 seconds |
| 14:17.13 | Mikk | Then again... if all you want to do is not overwrite globals... you probably shouldnt allow ANY global to be overwritten |
| 14:17.21 | Mikk | I mean... overwriting other people's globals is a bad bad bad thing |
| 14:17.30 | Atriace | No they're my own globals. |
| 14:17.31 | Mikk | Regardless of what type the variable is |
| 14:17.35 | Mikk | Oh |
| 14:17.40 | Mikk | Just stuff them all in a table? =) |
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| 14:18.00 | Atriace | Are you saying it's an irrelevant precaution to not recreate the frame with the same name |
| 14:18.16 | Mikk | No |
| 14:18.34 | Mikk | I'm just saying... wouldnt it be enough to just test for if the global exists, period? |
| 14:18.51 | Atriace | wait a second.... lol |
| 14:18.55 | Mikk | You're wanting to avoid creating frames that already exist. That's good. |
| 14:19.05 | Mikk | But overwriting other globals with frames is not good either |
| 14:19.11 | Mikk | So just test if it exists? |
| 14:19.29 | Atriace | ugh... right. A frame is a global as much as any other global var. |
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| 14:30.21 | Bela|work | if (getglobal(name)) and (getglobal(name):GetFrameType()) then CreateFrame(name); end |
| 14:30.33 | Bela|work | and yes, I know that isn't as efficient as it could be |
| 14:30.43 | Bela|work | but it was shorter to type |
| 14:31.33 | ckknight | getglobal(name) is shorter than _G[name]? :-P |
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| 14:32.40 | Bela|work | what I typed works. And I stated that it could be more efficient. But thanks for trying to make me look bad... |
| 14:34.15 | ckknight | I don't want to make you look bad, I just want to teach you a better way to do it |
| 14:34.18 | ckknight | that's all |
| 14:34.47 | Bela|work | oh trust me |
| 14:34.48 | ckknight | working on addons is just a grand intellectual exercise as far as I'm concerned |
| 14:34.52 | Bela|work | I know all about _G |
| 14:35.03 | ckknight | then why use getglobal? |
| 14:35.03 | Bela|work | and I hardly think you can teach me anyhting about efficiency |
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| 14:40.06 | Crysli|nap | I'm patchetic. Need sleep and it's only 4:40pm |
| 14:40.33 | Bela|work | naps are good |
| 14:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Naps rock the world. |
| 14:40.50 | Bela|work | I get about 2 or 3 hours of interrupted sleep at a time now |
| 14:41.15 | ralfWORK | I hate naps |
| 14:41.46 | amro | I wake up disoriented after naps, looking for breakfast |
| 14:41.59 | ralfWORK | I wake up pissed off from naps |
| 14:42.03 | ralfWORK | :( |
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| 14:43.49 | cogwheel | i usually wake up overheated from naps... which pisses me off... |
| 14:44.32 | Kalroth | I usually wake up with a boner |
| 14:44.57 | Kalroth | Which is really embarrassing at work |
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| 14:46.31 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 14:49.16 | Saint-N | all companies should have nap time for 30 mins around 2-2:30 |
| 14:49.24 | Saint-N | compelte with blankies cookies and milk |
| 14:49.36 | Saint-N | the business world would be much less stressed |
| 14:49.47 | Saint-N | either that or everyone is required to go play on the swings after work |
| 14:49.51 | ralfWORK | move to mexico |
| 14:49.57 | Saint-N | cuz thats pretty fun too |
| 14:50.19 | Saint-N | mexicans are much harder workers than most americans so apperantly they've got the right idear ;) |
| 14:51.59 | ckknight | Saint-N: I'd say that immigrants are harder working |
| 14:52.12 | ckknight | but the ones that stay in Mexico and can't be bothered to jump the border, not so sure |
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| 14:54.29 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: perhaps so |
| 14:54.39 | ralfWORK | I wonder if they still ciesta |
| 14:55.14 | Saint-N | some do |
| 14:55.20 | Saint-N | ckknight: thats true |
| 14:55.30 | Saint-N | but thats mainly because its more of a survival effort |
| 14:55.35 | ckknight | yea |
| 14:55.51 | Saint-N | not just for them but thier families because if they can make it here and send money home... |
| 14:56.08 | Saint-N | but even so thier culture is more relaxed and seemingly less stressful |
| 14:56.23 | Saint-N | theres a reason we do it for kids ;P |
| 14:56.37 | Saint-N | and most people in the bu8siness world are just big kids prone to tantrums |
| 14:56.59 | Saint-N | so nap time and recess should be mandatory ;) |
| 14:57.41 | amro | I wouldn't go as far as making it mandatory |
| 14:58.08 | amro | some can't nap, and some nap but just won't wake up |
| 14:58.37 | Saint-N | heh thats true |
| 14:58.48 | Saint-N | "sorry bill's not available he's still sleeping" |
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| 15:40.48 | Atriace | So, I'm merrily coding away, and testing it in WoW, but none of my changes seem to make a difference onscreen. I'm hacking bits of it out to find the source of the problem until It's not quite the same code it used to be only find out... I've been disconnected for the past 7 minutes... and it only just sent me back to the login screen. |
| 15:46.28 | Wobin_ | Saint-N: I'd totally go for the mid day siesta idea at work |
| 15:46.34 | Wobin_ | We really need a 'napping couch' |
| 15:46.40 | Crysli | Ugh |
| 15:46.50 | Crysli | I just woke up and I'm disoriented and grumpy |
| 15:47.01 | Wobin_ | how long were you napping? |
| 15:47.22 | Crysli | little over half an hour. |
| 15:47.42 | Wobin_ | hm, that's probably why =\ |
| 15:48.26 | Crysli | Probably. |
| 15:48.42 | Crysli | I'm still grumpy but now I can at least find my way to the ktichen to get a cup of coffee. |
| 15:48.54 | Wobin_ | You only really want to nap 15-20min or so |
| 15:49.12 | Wobin_ | otherwise you'll pass through REM into deep sleep |
| 15:49.46 | Crysli | Oh, I was sleeping sorta lightly |
| 15:50.09 | Crysli | My little sister was in the same room and apparently homework is noisy these days |
| 15:50.30 | ckknight | Wobin_: 22 minutes |
| 15:50.41 | Wobin_ | ckknight: It's different for everyone =) |
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| 15:51.05 | ckknight | depends mostly on age, but from what I've read, 22 minutes is optimal for adult males |
| 15:51.15 | Wobin_ | pft, like anyone is at optimal =P |
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| 15:51.21 | ckknight | I am |
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| 15:53.43 | Wobin_ | well, for the rest of humanity that doesn't quite match your definition of optimal, you'd be better off trying out various timings for naps |
| 15:54.26 | Saint-N | i cahnt sleep for less than 3 hours |
| 15:54.28 | Saint-N | cant |
| 15:54.32 | Wobin_ | As defining a precise time that is 'perfect' for 'every' human male is clearly a 'sign' you need to 'redefine' your 'definitions' |
| 15:54.49 | Saint-N | its more detrimental to my thinking and mood than just staying awake for 36 hours |
| 15:54.58 | Wobin_ | ugh |
| 15:55.04 | Wobin_ | I'd prefer to nap |
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| 15:55.20 | Wobin_ | after about 24 hours my mental processes go downhill fast |
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| 15:55.57 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=gtGE8-T2ufc&feature=related |
| 15:56.11 | Wobin_ | woohoo |
| 15:56.15 | Mikk | mmm yeah same wobin but then they peak up again i've found |
| 15:56.16 | Wobin_ | Tom Yum Goong |
| 15:56.21 | Wobin_ | Go go Tony Jaa |
| 15:56.27 | Saint-N | i love this movie |
| 15:56.33 | Saint-N | the guys a freak of nature |
| 15:56.40 | Wobin_ | It's true |
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| 15:56.45 | Saint-N | and proof that EVERY law has an exception |
| 15:56.51 | Saint-N | including the law of gravity |
| 15:57.10 | Wobin_ | Only Tony Jaa could conceive of the rule that "It is better to do a spinning knee to the head, when your knee is on fire" |
| 15:57.19 | Crysli | Is it like Earth Day or something? |
| 15:57.23 | Saint-N | hah |
| 15:57.27 | Wobin_ | according to google |
| 15:58.10 | Saint-N | watching these two movies has me in awe like the first couple of times i watched rumble in the bronx |
| 15:58.33 | ramoz | haste: ping? |
| 15:58.39 | haste | ramoz: pong |
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| 15:59.07 | ramoz | so, im having issues with oCB target castbare |
| 15:59.08 | ramoz | -e |
| 15:59.17 | ramoz | it keeps disapearing after a reload/relog |
| 15:59.36 | Wobin_ | Jackie Chan can't hold a candle to the violence inherent in a Tony Jaa movie |
| 15:59.40 | haste | then you probably have some add-on interfering |
| 15:59.51 | Saint-N | yeah but he hurts himself a lot more |
| 15:59.57 | ramoz | hm |
| 16:00.03 | ramoz | wonder what addon that could be |
| 16:00.06 | Saint-N | whats crazy impressive is that he's got just amazing self instilled skill |
| 16:00.10 | Wobin_ | I find the hurting of others more amusing |
| 16:00.14 | Saint-N | no wires 2nd takes etc |
| 16:00.20 | Wobin_ | Tony does do his own stunts |
| 16:00.22 | Saint-N | that whole running up the restaurant thing |
| 16:00.27 | ramoz | haste: also have to type /ocb for it to show up |
| 16:00.33 | Saint-N | one shot |
| 16:00.39 | Crysli | Is anyone having trouble with posts on the WoW forums suddenly jumping to a huge font size? |
| 16:00.41 | Saint-N | i know he does |
| 16:00.42 | haste | ramoz: have you enabled it in the blizzard options? |
| 16:00.43 | Wobin_ | The street chase in Ong Bak was utterly fantastic |
| 16:00.50 | Saint-N | with the little cars? |
| 16:00.55 | haste | ramoz: oCB runs of the default one, and makes zero effort to prevent user-errors :) |
| 16:01.33 | ramoz | OH |
| 16:01.40 | Saint-N | oh THIS one |
| 16:01.50 | ramoz | yes! Saint-N |
| 16:02.56 | Saint-N | i was talking to wobin |
| 16:03.31 | ramoz | alright |
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| 16:03.33 | ramoz | well, it works now |
| 16:03.48 | Wobin_ | aw man |
| 16:03.50 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=BC6Tp6KJEpg&feature=related |
| 16:03.51 | Wobin_ | IT STOPPED |
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| 16:04.11 | Wobin_ | That's the one |
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| 16:05.28 | Wobin_ | I just find it amazing that anyone can consistantly jump like that |
| 16:05.34 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 16:05.45 | Saint-N | or run up walls and fences like that |
| 16:06.41 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGxdgNJ_lZM <3 |
| 16:07.00 | Saint-N | heh or run across the heads of people for that matter |
| 16:07.27 | Kaso | Its very similar to the parkour guys, if you've seen some of the stuff they do its just as crazy. Like that bit at the start of the recent james bond the guy doing that was the guys who pretty much started parkour/freerunning |
| 16:08.51 | Wobin_ | sure, there's parkour |
| 16:09.00 | Wobin_ | Then there parkour while kicking the shit out of people |
| 16:09.05 | Kaso | true! |
| 16:10.42 | Wobin_ | oh man |
| 16:10.52 | Wobin_ | They totally threw taht elephant through a plate glass window =( |
| 16:12.21 | ralfWORK | ok this clip is kinda cool |
| 16:12.30 | ralfWORK | but the instant replay after every feat kinda sucks |
| 16:12.33 | mikma | Saint-N: meh, i have ong bak on my computer :D |
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| 16:12.52 | mikma | Ong-bak.2003.DVDRip.Xvid .. ;) |
| 16:13.06 | mikma | Saint-N: also search for this: Tom Yum Goong |
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| 16:14.50 | Crysli | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3779027946&sid=1 - Can anyone decipher this for me? |
| 16:14.57 | Saint-N | mik yeah i have that and the protector at home |
| 16:15.17 | mikma | Saint-N: Tom Yum Goong == The Protector :) |
| 16:15.28 | Crysli | Oh, nevermind. |
| 16:15.28 | Saint-N | he's the bad guy in that right? |
| 16:15.42 | Wobin_ | wut? |
| 16:15.49 | Wobin_ | No, Tony Jaa is always the good guy =P |
| 16:15.50 | Crysli | Once I figured out that "cheak" means "check" it became somewhat easier |
| 16:15.50 | mikma | nope, he's after his fathers elefant etc |
| 16:16.01 | Wobin_ | The baby elephant got stolen |
| 16:16.05 | mikma | aye |
| 16:16.06 | Wobin_ | to be EATEN |
| 16:16.08 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 16:16.08 | Saint-N | who tom yum goong? |
| 16:16.11 | Saint-N | whos |
| 16:16.15 | Wobin_ | In Tom Yum Goong |
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| 16:16.21 | Wobin_ | That's the name of the movie |
| 16:16.23 | Saint-N | oh |
| 16:16.29 | Wobin_ | It's a thai soup =P |
| 16:16.32 | Saint-N | didnt know its foreign title |
| 16:16.36 | mikma | Saint-N: Tom Yum Goong is the original title, The Protector is the "rest of the world" title |
| 16:16.36 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 16:16.47 | Atriace | You know... you were all right... dang right about building everything in Lua > XML. Being to dynamicly create x-num frames when needed is just... crap... I've wasted so much time with XML. |
| 16:16.48 | Polarina | Crysli: "Check if the lure is applied to the fishing pool, if it is, cast Fishing, otherwise apply the lure to the fishing pole." |
| 16:17.11 | Wobin_ | Atriace: It's a revelation that everyone comes to after a while =) |
| 16:17.37 | Wobin_ | Once you get beyond a certain level of complexity, it's simply easier to figure it out in lua |
| 16:17.58 | Wobin_ | and once you've started using lua to generate frames, you'll never go back =P |
| 16:18.22 | widgertick | Heh |
| 16:18.32 | widgertick | I disagree heavily ;) |
| 16:18.40 | Atriace | Indubitably. All I need to do now is write one line of code, passing some arguments to a function, and blamo... hundred frames with all their textures/textstring/etc... created properly. |
| 16:18.50 | kergoth | you know, i wouldnt mind using xml for frame creation (at least for templates) nearly as much if you didnt have to use getglobal/_G to get to child frames instead of refs |
| 16:18.53 | widgertick | XML templates ftw |
| 16:19.27 | mikma | http://youtube.com/watch?v=i9CsFSGq2Ao <- i'm pretty sure the bad guy is using "drunken boxing" |
| 16:19.42 | Wobin_ | this one? yeah |
| 16:20.03 | Kaso | http://youtube.com/watch?v=n40hY99xekQ |
| 16:20.19 | Kaso | Angry chicken |
| 16:20.28 | Wobin_ | actually no |
| 16:20.39 | Wobin_ | That's more... thingie |
| 16:20.42 | Nechckn | Chicken, who said chicken?!? |
| 16:20.51 | Wobin_ | capoiera |
| 16:21.08 | Wobin_ | yeah, def capoiera |
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| 16:21.47 | mikma | Kaso: that's the "bomber" from bond |
| 16:21.50 | Saint-N | monkey style |
| 16:21.53 | Kaso | yup |
| 16:21.55 | Saint-N | thats what he's using |
| 16:22.15 | Saint-N | briefly studied it when i was doing shaolin in my teens |
| 16:22.26 | mikma | http://youtube.com/watch?v=GaAvNHWjInM <- :DDD |
| 16:22.36 | Wobin_ | wut? |
| 16:22.43 | Wobin_ | The one where it's half in water? |
| 16:22.58 | mikma | that's one god damn good jackie-film :D |
| 16:23.01 | Saint-N | the style of the guy after the fire sprinklers come on |
| 16:23.13 | Wobin_ | hehe cantonese dubbed films are funny |
| 16:23.22 | Saint-N | heh that lady is awesome |
| 16:23.24 | mikma | i have the english dubbed dvd |
| 16:23.24 | Saint-N | his mom |
| 16:24.02 | Wobin_ | yeah, -that-s drunken |
| 16:24.32 | Wobin_ | the one with tony jaa is capoiera |
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| 16:26.53 | Saint-N | the guy with the hood in the water is capo? |
| 16:27.05 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 16:27.10 | mikma | doesn't look like capo :I |
| 16:27.10 | Saint-N | not monkey? |
| 16:27.14 | Wobin_ | nope |
| 16:27.17 | Saint-N | you're drunk |
| 16:27.22 | Saint-N | ;_) |
| 16:27.27 | Wobin_ | He goes into the standard dance near the end |
| 16:27.45 | mikma | "Drunken Wobin" is the deadliest martial art of them all |
| 16:27.54 | Wobin_ | noone survives |
| 16:28.01 | Saint-N | only for clothing furniture and carpet |
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| 16:28.59 | mikma | Wobin_: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KdSuL5ocae4 <- yeah |
| 16:29.33 | Wobin_ | I <3 aikido |
| 16:30.36 | Wobin_ | Joe Eigo is crazy shit |
| 16:30.38 | mikma | hah, it has some brutal tosses ^^ |
| 16:31.11 | Wobin_ | It's not actually that brutal |
| 16:31.19 | Wobin_ | you learn to 'go with the flow' in demonstrations |
| 16:31.28 | Wobin_ | otherwise training ends up... painful |
| 16:31.42 | Wobin_ | That's why they fly so far |
| 16:31.54 | Wobin_ | cause they're rolling with the moves |
| 16:32.04 | Wobin_ | but the actual moves are fairly effective if you're not expecting them |
| 16:32.31 | Wobin_ | In a real fight, I wouldn't try to apply any of the throws without softening up the other guy or distracting them somehow |
| 16:33.02 | Wobin_ | Drunken fighting is just scary from the amount of muscle control required =) |
| 16:33.49 | Wobin_ | I liked it when I was training, cause my sensei basically explained the biomechanics behind every move |
| 16:34.03 | mikma | Wobin_: in this other clip they are saying his combatstyle as monkey kung fu :P |
| 16:34.16 | mikma | (or not, i don't know) |
| 16:34.23 | Wobin_ | it wasn't quite "oo secret japanese move", it was "when you twist the wrist this way, it forces the arm that way ..." |
| 16:34.38 | mikma | no wait, it's capoeira :P |
| 16:34.43 | Wobin_ | it really is =) |
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| 16:35.29 | Wobin_ | -this- is crazy monkey kung fu =) http://youtube.com/watch?v=5gzHKlhNduc |
| 16:37.16 | mikma | ok, i guess the screaming is the "monkey" :D |
| 16:37.29 | Wobin_ | I tell you, if someone came at me like that, -I'd- be running =P |
| 16:38.31 | mikma | well other option is die in laughter |
| 16:38.42 | Wobin_ | That -really- focuses on the complete unpredictability |
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| 16:38.51 | Wobin_ | and the jesuswtf factor =) |
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| 16:41.12 | Cairenn|afk | o.O |
| 16:42.31 | Wobin_ | hehe I love youtube comments |
| 16:42.42 | Wobin_ | discussion on the aerodynamics of a small baby elephant |
| 16:44.21 | mikma | Wobin_: kek: http://youtube.com/watch?v=e2_bKP2GMTU |
| 16:44.32 | Wobin_ | rofl |
| 16:44.35 | Wobin_ | I can guess how this goes |
| 16:45.15 | mikma | i watched another clip of taekwondo vs muaythai, and the muaythau guy sucked so much balls it was hard to watch :D |
| 16:45.18 | Wobin_ | ahahah |
| 16:45.35 | Wobin_ | tkd is -so- not designed for fighting muay thai |
| 16:45.41 | ralfWORK | lol@taekwondo |
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| 16:46.02 | Wobin_ | Poor MT guy |
| 16:46.08 | Wobin_ | he's limited to below the neck |
| 16:46.17 | Wobin_ | so he can't head control |
| 16:46.23 | mikma | at the end he gets some really nice feetsweeps xD |
| 16:46.27 | Wobin_ | (then knee him in the head a few times) |
| 16:46.37 | mikma | Cairenn|afk: i actually trained judo for 3 years when i was a kid :P |
| 16:46.38 | Wobin_ | Judo and aikido are great |
| 16:47.07 | ralfWORK | jujitsu ftw |
| 16:47.12 | Wobin_ | pft |
| 16:47.22 | mikma | ralfWORK: and i trained that one too for 1year :P |
| 16:47.22 | Wobin_ | oh wait |
| 16:47.25 | Cairenn|afk | I'm not a physically aggressive person, but Judo is completely acceptable to me, since it's all about defending yourself |
| 16:47.26 | Wobin_ | I thought you said ninjitsu |
| 16:47.34 | ralfWORK | hahahaah no I did not |
| 16:47.41 | Saint-N | best example of ninjitu is american ninja 3 domination ;P |
| 16:47.41 | Wobin_ | jujitsu is great, cause noone else handles ground fighting |
| 16:47.42 | Cairenn|afk | I could deal juijitsu too |
| 16:47.50 | Saint-N | when he crushes the golf ball to powder |
| 16:47.56 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: hahahahah |
| 16:48.03 | Saint-N | that movie is so awesome |
| 16:48.15 | Cairenn|afk | deal with* |
| 16:48.16 | ralfWORK | Cairenn|afk: eh. they can all be about defense instead of offense, really depends on the teacher's style |
| 16:48.19 | Saint-N | oh and when he buries himself 2 feet un the sand when the guys are shooting at him |
| 16:48.24 | Zyuu | I like jiujitsu |
| 16:48.25 | Cairenn|afk | oh, I know that |
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| 16:48.33 | Wobin_ | The best ninja details are at http://www.askaninja.com |
| 16:48.38 | Saint-N | heh |
| 16:48.47 | Saint-N | enter the ninja was pretty awesome too |
| 16:48.57 | mikma | Wobin_: i'm on the maillist of that site, beat that! |
| 16:49.00 | ralfWORK | wow |
| 16:49.04 | Saint-N | sho kusugi(sp) was an awesome actor/martial artist |
| 16:49.05 | batbot | Saint-N, nothing found. |
| 16:49.11 | ralfWORK | this quantum jujitsu is insane |
| 16:49.13 | Wobin_ | mikma: I have it on my podcast list |
| 16:49.17 | Saint-N | enter the ninja |
| 16:49.18 | Wobin_ | so I watch it on the train |
| 16:49.25 | Saint-N | heh silly batbot |
| 16:49.33 | Wobin_ | quantum jujitsu? |
| 16:49.40 | Saint-N | heh |
| 16:49.40 | mikma | Wobin_: ahahahah! this is the greatest onesided fight i have ever seen! http://youtube.com/watch?v=YEv6i-lhIWc <- and i have seen that in telly too :D |
| 16:49.46 | Saint-N | MUON KOMBAT! |
| 16:50.39 | Wobin_ | pimpslapped |
| 16:50.42 | ralfWORK | WOW |
| 16:51.00 | ralfWORK | not exactly karate |
| 16:51.06 | ralfWORK | but that's pretty funny |
| 16:51.11 | ralfWORK | oh shit he messed him up bad huh |
| 16:51.38 | Wobin_ | Jujitsu is fun |
| 16:51.43 | Wobin_ | unless you're out of your weight class |
| 16:51.48 | mikma | pimpslapped, that's a nice term |
| 16:51.59 | Wobin_ | then it's just tiring =P |
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| 16:53.27 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 16:53.34 | Wobin_ | The interesting thing about aikido, is that it works really well for submission holds |
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| 16:54.04 | Wobin_ | once you have a good base, and a good grip on the other person, and have them off balance, you can hold them down for as long as you want |
| 16:54.17 | Wobin_ | (of course, getting them to that point is the tricky thing) |
| 16:54.22 | ralfWORK | :) |
| 16:55.10 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=lEThJaSdKx4&feature=related |
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| 16:55.55 | mikma | Wobin_: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=mcmap <- have a look |
| 16:56.08 | ralfWORK | he's kinda a beast |
| 16:57.15 | Wobin_ | hehe I'm watching this two marines holding down one other |
| 16:57.49 | Wobin_ | and it's like... sure, apply the leg lock... if someone else is holding down their head |
| 16:58.01 | ralfWORK | weak! |
| 16:58.07 | Wobin_ | 'xactly =P |
| 16:58.15 | ralfWORK | grandma can do that! |
| 16:58.29 | mikma | Wobin_: most likely the lock is designed to break some bones :D |
| 16:58.38 | Wobin_ | not that one |
| 16:58.44 | ralfWORK | easier to dislocate joints |
| 16:58.45 | Wobin_ | at most you'd tear ligaments |
| 16:58.50 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 16:59.04 | ralfWORK | but no need to be picky |
| 16:59.06 | Wobin_ | tendons and ligaments are easier to damage than bones |
| 16:59.14 | mikma | what i understood, the idea of mcmap is to do heavy damage to the opponent so they can't fight back |
| 16:59.31 | Wobin_ | dislocate both knees, and shoulders and they're not going anywhere =) |
| 16:59.37 | ralfWORK | mikma: isn't that what most martial arts are? lol |
| 16:59.40 | Wobin_ | breaking both legs however, takes moer effort |
| 16:59.51 | Wobin_ | aikido isn't |
| 16:59.58 | ralfWORK | I said most :) |
| 17:00.17 | Wobin_ | not to say that extending the holds beyond the submission -won't- do some serious damage... |
| 17:00.20 | mikma | http://youtube.com/watch?v=v9UCYsMHR-o |
| 17:00.24 | mikma | like that, slam the dork down |
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| 17:00.52 | Wobin_ | welcome to judo 101 =) |
| 17:02.03 | ralfWORK | human weapon really should be more awesome than it is |
| 17:02.11 | ralfWORK | the guys that do it are kinda douches |
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| 17:02.30 | sacarasc | truth |
| 17:03.24 | Wobin_ | hapkido can be some scary stuff |
| 17:03.41 | ralfWORK | hapkido... father of taekwondo? |
| 17:03.42 | Wobin_ | in the goddamn hundreds of different combinations of wrist locks =P |
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| 17:03.47 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 17:03.53 | Wobin_ | hapkido is like aikido |
| 17:03.57 | ralfWORK | ah ok |
| 17:04.01 | mikma | with "hap" in the name |
| 17:04.01 | Wobin_ | except with smaller circles |
| 17:04.05 | mikma | so it must be cool ;) |
| 17:04.08 | ralfWORK | hahahaha |
| 17:04.10 | Wobin_ | true =) |
| 17:04.32 | Wobin_ | basically you know how you see aikido doing the big circles with their arms as they swing people about? |
| 17:04.41 | ralfWORK | right right |
| 17:04.48 | Wobin_ | hapkido applies the same sort of joint locks and so forth on a smaller scale |
| 17:04.55 | ralfWORK | I'm thinking hwarangdo or something |
| 17:05.01 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 17:05.02 | ralfWORK | Wobin_: gotcha |
| 17:05.59 | Wobin_ | oh jesus |
| 17:06.00 | Wobin_ | it's 3am |
| 17:06.32 | Wobin_ | I was going to bed two hours ago |
| 17:06.39 | Wobin_ | but got distracted by Tony Jaa |
| 17:06.44 | Wobin_ | Thanks Saint =( |
| 17:08.02 | mikma | muah |
| 17:08.08 | mikma | good job Saint-N :D |
| 17:08.21 | Saint-N | hah |
| 17:08.24 | Saint-N | i win! |
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| 17:09.45 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 17:09.48 | Wobin_ | I love Bas Rutten |
| 17:09.49 | Wobin_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y |
| 17:10.16 | Wobin_ | I swear he's related to the askaninja dude |
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| 17:13.17 | Wobin_ | hehe "Wrong move! Don't do that to El Whappo" |
| 17:14.12 | ralfWORK | oh this guy rocks |
| 17:14.15 | ralfWORK | I forgot about him |
| 17:14.17 | ralfWORK | BANG |
| 17:14.24 | Wobin_ | hehe Bas rocks |
| 17:14.29 | ralfWORK | or more like BOANG |
| 17:14.33 | Wobin_ | I just love the sound effects |
| 17:14.41 | ralfWORK | I love how he talks crazy |
| 17:14.54 | ralfWORK | doesn't he say somything like "HERE MEET THE TABLE |
| 17:15.04 | ralfWORK | (can't watch with sound on) |
| 17:15.24 | Wobin_ | In that one he makes lewd comments about where to put the tabasco bottle when you have him in submission |
| 17:16.04 | ralfWORK | hahahhaha |
| 17:16.33 | ralfWORK | and it's so off the cuff |
| 17:17.08 | mikma | Wobin_: haha that's nice dude |
| 17:17.16 | ralfWORK | see, it's all bout the joints |
| 17:17.18 | Wobin_ | Bas is my hero =) |
| 17:17.30 | mikma | "he tried to kill you, return the favor" |
| 17:17.37 | ralfWORK | HAHAHAHAH YES |
| 17:18.30 | Saint-N | http://www.apple.com/trailers/weinstein/diaryofthedead/ |
| 17:18.34 | mikma | hahaha, excuse me sir, and then i'm going to break his leg. |
| 17:18.45 | ralfWORK | best quotables ever |
| 17:19.52 | Wobin_ | mikma: and he's Dutch =P |
| 17:20.18 | mikma | Wobin_: suits better for Industrial ;D |
| 17:21.24 | Wobin_ | "and then after that, dangadangadadang..." |
| 17:21.41 | Wobin_ | "Then lookylook what we got here... -smack- his face..." |
| 17:22.13 | Saint-N | http://www.apple.com/trailers/dreamworks/kungfupanda/hd/ |
| 17:23.21 | ckknight | goddamn China |
| 17:23.21 | Wobin_ | "Neever let him get the choke. Cause if you're out, god knows what they'll do to you..." |
| 17:23.29 | ckknight | why won't they let us kill pandas? |
| 17:23.34 | ckknight | I wanna fight pandaren |
| 17:23.42 | Wobin_ | they'd smack you down |
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| 17:24.11 | Wobin_ | never underestimate the power of a large bearlike creature that makes good beer |
| 17:24.34 | ckknight | they're big racoons |
| 17:24.36 | ckknight | that's all |
| 17:24.45 | ckknight | and evolutionarily poor contenders |
| 17:24.46 | Saint-N | kentucky fried panda, it's finger ling-ling good |
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| 17:25.13 | Valaron|Work | groan |
| 17:25.31 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UBL_MTKHnI |
| 17:26.18 | Wobin_ | oh god |
| 17:26.21 | Wobin_ | they're like tiny foxes |
| 17:26.30 | Wobin_ | or a cross between a fox and a corgi |
| 17:26.35 | Saint-N | fox and a possum |
| 17:26.39 | Saint-N | look at the face |
| 17:27.09 | Atriace | I've followed (as best I can tell) the syntax provided by API Frame:SetScript(), but I'm getting errors from WoW. Is this formatted incorrectly? father:SetScript("OnEnter", Sui_GameTooltip(toon, buffIndex, father, "ANCHOR_TOPRIGHT")) |
| 17:27.19 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=g3Tuhamsmis |
| 17:28.06 | Kirov | Saint-N - I have an albino guinea pig (which in itself isn't rare) that is grey and orange (which is rare) |
| 17:28.10 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y3J8vYL_Vro&feature=related |
| 17:28.20 | Saint-N | hah a grey and orange albino? |
| 17:28.24 | Kirov | It's a black and brown guinea pig |
| 17:28.27 | Kirov | only albino |
| 17:28.50 | AnduinLothar | father:SetScript("OnEnter", funtion() Sui_GameTooltip(toon, buffIndex, father, "ANCHOR_TOPRIGHT") end) |
| 17:29.19 | Atriace | end? there? But the function is found elsewhere. |
| 17:29.57 | AnduinLothar | it's an anonymous function wrapper so that you can pass the arguments |
| 17:30.25 | Atriace | Oh I see. I didn't notcie the opening function() |
| 17:30.32 | Atriace | notice* |
| 17:30.43 | AnduinLothar | otherwise you'd need father:SetScript("OnEnter", Sui_GameTooltip) |
| 17:30.50 | AnduinLothar | which would be called w/o arguments |
| 17:33.00 | Atriace | I don't understand the methodology of function() code end, so... bear with me. It's giving me an error ')' exptected near 'Sui_GameTooltip' |
| 17:33.37 | dylanm | You missed a parenthesis. |
| 17:33.57 | AnduinLothar | or forgot the function() |
| 17:34.10 | Kirov | Saint-N - When I was young I was up at Sequoia national parks during the winter with a group and we'd left a big pallet of small chocolate milk containers outside in the snow to keep cold. One day one of the parents walks outside and screams, so everyone runs out. |
| 17:34.15 | Atriace | It's a copy paste of what's here. I'll reload my script to be sure, though. |
| 17:34.28 | AnduinLothar | oh, my typo |
| 17:34.37 | Kirov | There's this giant fat racoon sitting next to the pallet with a bunch of empty cartons next to him and he's chugging down another. |
| 17:34.37 | AnduinLothar | function, not funtion |
| 17:34.55 | Saint-N | hah |
| 17:34.58 | mikma | faction |
| 17:35.21 | AnduinLothar | gtg |
| 17:35.27 | Atriace | haha, thanks AnduinLothar. |
| 17:35.53 | Wobin_ | Kirov: OM NOMNOMNOM |
| 17:36.02 | ralfWORK | what are you nomming? |
| 17:36.04 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9DHR1GUJAw&feature=related |
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| 17:42.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Does anyone else see the forums filled with unicode characters on the thread titles? |
| 17:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | One browser does that for me, another doesn't :( |
| 17:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ... haha, I'm a retard |
| 17:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | IGNORE ME |
| 17:43.08 | Gnarfoz | we already were |
| 17:43.15 | Polarina | 17:42 /ignore ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably for the best |
| 17:43.30 | [melin] | who are you talking to? |
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| 18:06.37 | Crysli | It's so quiet. :( |
| 18:06.53 | Atriace | x > y |
| 18:08.06 | Crysli | y < x |
| 18:11.24 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.54 | [melin] | Saint-N can we? |
| 18:12.08 | Saint-N | i can |
| 18:12.08 | [melin] | it all depends on what value you have in x and y |
| 18:12.14 | Saint-N | not at all |
| 18:12.25 | krka | x and y may be the same object that lives in an algebra where < and > is always false |
| 18:12.32 | Saint-N | if the value of x is the same as the value of y then they are the same number and thus x and y ;) |
| 18:13.11 | [melin] | well.. which is true.. twelve minus seven equals six or twelve minus seven is six? |
| 18:13.26 | krka | lame trick question |
| 18:13.31 | krka | also, it's pld |
| 18:13.57 | Josh_Borke | neither is true |
| 18:14.00 | Saint-N | 12 -7 = 6 but only for sufficiently small values of 7 |
| 18:17.11 | [melin] | Saint-N no.. as they said - neiter |
| 18:17.15 | [melin] | since 12-7 is 5 |
| 18:17.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|AFK] by ChanServ |
| 18:17.46 | Saint-N | you just dont get it do ya ;P |
| 18:18.03 | Saint-N | 1+ 1 = 3 for sufficiently large values of 1 |
| 18:18.45 | ralfWORK | HAHAHAH what? |
| 18:18.57 | Atriace | lua> |
| 18:19.12 | Atriace | How did that happen? |
| 18:19.25 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.26 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.26 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.26 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.26 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.26 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.27 | ralfWORK | 0.999... = 1 |
| 18:19.28 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.30 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.32 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.34 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.35 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 18:19.36 | Saint-N | jgs | \ \ \ \ |
| 18:19.38 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.00 | Crysli | OK, I stumbled upon this one today and I just wanted to see if I'm on the right track. |
| 18:20.04 | Crysli | "A car weighs 512 kilograms plus half of its weight. How much do two cars weigh?" |
| 18:20.18 | Crysli | I think the answer is 2048 kilograms, but I'm not sure. |
| 18:20.36 | ralfWORK | 1536 is my bet |
| 18:20.37 | Shirik | wtf Saint-N >< |
| 18:20.39 | nevcairiel | 512 * 2 * 1.5? |
| 18:20.40 | krka | x = 512 KG + x / 2 ? |
| 18:20.45 | Saint-N | shirik: random ascii i found |
| 18:20.50 | Kaso | weighs 512 plus half its weight seems a rediculous statement to me |
| 18:20.53 | Shirik | my client strips out duplicate spaces :( |
| 18:21.07 | Saint-N | shirikk: boo |
| 18:21.07 | krka | i'm guessing 1024 KG |
| 18:21.09 | Crysli | Kaso: I agree, but nonetheless that's what it says |
| 18:21.18 | nevcairiel | i am with ralfWORK |
| 18:21.19 | ralfWORK | Kaso: ya, it's recursive |
| 18:21.21 | Kaso | how can anything weight something, plus a faction of its entire weight |
| 18:21.41 | krka | oh sorry, 1024 for one car, i mean |
| 18:21.46 | Saint-N | how long is a piece of string? twice as long as half the length |
| 18:21.55 | Kirov | Crysli - that seems right |
| 18:21.58 | krka | Saint-N: this is different, this one has a definite answer |
| 18:22.08 | ralfWORK | x = (512 + 512/2) * 2 |
| 18:22.10 | Josh_Borke | the answer is 1024 for one car, 2048 for 2 cars |
| 18:22.15 | nevcairiel | hm now that you say it .. its 2048 yeah |
| 18:22.22 | ralfWORK | huh? |
| 18:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ralfWORK: except that x was already defined as 512 |
| 18:22.35 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - no, it's not |
| 18:22.37 | Josh_Borke | A car weighs 512 plus one half its weight |
| 18:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | krka had the equation right originally |
| 18:22.39 | krka | no it wasn't |
| 18:22.40 | nevcairiel | ralfWORK: 1024 = 512 + 1024/2 |
| 18:22.46 | NightHawkTheSane | x = 512 + (x/2) |
| 18:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what it read as to me :P |
| 18:22.51 | ralfWORK | uhm |
| 18:22.54 | ScytheBlade1 | English is stupid :P |
| 18:22.56 | ralfWORK | 512 plus half it's weight |
| 18:23.00 | ralfWORK | is 768 |
| 18:23.04 | ralfWORK | not 1024 |
| 18:23.05 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 18:23.06 | nevcairiel | you have to get the final weight |
| 18:23.09 | krka | it said "its". not "it's" : |
| 18:23.19 | ralfWORK | krka: hmm lemme see |
| 18:23.25 | Saint-N | y = (512 + x/2) * 2 |
| 18:23.52 | Crysli | (Funny how eighth grade math can make people argue so much) |
| 18:24.04 | Josh_Borke | X = 512 + X/2 |
| 18:24.07 | Josh_Borke | X = 1024 |
| 18:24.09 | ralfWORK | funny how eighth grade math is a goddamn english problem |
| 18:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not grade eight math. That's --- what ralfWORK said |
| 18:24.22 | ralfWORK | :) |
| 18:24.22 | krka | ralfWORK: the question was quite well phrased, imo |
| 18:24.26 | NightHawkTheSane | its only an english problem if you choose to overanalyze it. :P |
| 18:24.26 | krka | and i dont even speak english |
| 18:24.26 | Crysli | Yeah ok |
| 18:24.29 | ralfWORK | the question is idiotic |
| 18:24.34 | Kirov | ralfWORK - only if it weighs 768kg then half it's weight would be 384, so it would weigh 896, which would mean 448 is half it's weight |
| 18:24.37 | ralfWORK | you want to know how heavy the car is, go weigh it :) |
| 18:24.43 | Kirov | etc. |
| 18:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ that |
| 18:24.54 | Josh_Borke | it is a play on words in english to make the problem more difficult than it actually is |
| 18:25.37 | krka | not really |
| 18:25.37 | Saint-N | nah it's just missing a comma ;P |
| 18:25.37 | ralfWORK | Josh_Borke: right |
| 18:25.37 | krka | i disagree |
| 18:25.37 | Saint-N | A car weighs 512 kilograms, plus half of its weight. How much do two cars weigh? |
| 18:25.37 | Kirov | the car weighs 512kg + half the car's total weight |
| 18:25.45 | krka | X weighs 512 plus one half of X. How much is 2*X? |
| 18:25.45 | Saint-N | the correct answer though is "Twice as much" |
| 18:25.46 | Josh_Borke | krka: yes really. if it had just said "half of a car's weight is 512" then it would be much more obvious that it is 1024 total |
| 18:26.09 | Josh_Borke | by wording it the way it did, it makes the problem seem recursive |
| 18:26.19 | ralfWORK | this is why english majors shouldn't write math problems |
| 18:26.21 | krka | which I think was the point. |
| 18:26.26 | ralfWORK | and yes, it sounds recursive |
| 18:26.29 | krka | they wanted an equation with X on both sides |
| 18:26.29 | Josh_Borke | krka: it was exactly the point |
| 18:26.30 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it IS a play on words, but it's NOT difficult english. |
| 18:26.39 | ralfWORK | I'd answer 0.99999999999999999999999999999 |
| 18:26.47 | krka | too many math problems get solved without setting up the proper equation |
| 18:26.51 | krka | which makes people avoid learning |
| 18:26.52 | Saint-N | thats because you're an idiot ;) |
| 18:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Difficult english or not, it is an attempt to mix english with math, with horrific results. |
| 18:26.58 | Saint-N | ralf |
| 18:26.59 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 18:27.02 | Kirov | x = 512 + x/2 == x = 1024 |
| 18:27.04 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: boo! |
| 18:27.12 | Josh_Borke | ScytheBlade1: incorrect. it accomplishes exactly what it was meant to do |
| 18:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Josh_Borke: agreed |
| 18:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Josh_Borke: the results are just retarded and serve little to no purpose to teach anything :P |
| 18:27.51 | Josh_Borke | it teaches you to think about the problem instead of just assuming it's recursive |
| 18:27.53 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - it teaches you that verbalizing math is stupid |
| 18:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay |
| 18:27.58 | krka | i think it was a good question |
| 18:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I can agree with that :) |
| 18:28.00 | ralfWORK | uhm |
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| 18:28.05 | ralfWORK | yea well I fail then |
| 18:28.09 | ralfWORK | cause I still don't get it |
| 18:28.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ralfWORK: that much has been obvious so far. :P |
| 18:28.17 | Josh_Borke | too many people can't interpret written math descriptions |
| 18:28.23 | Josh_Borke | btw, i'm speaking of america now |
| 18:28.50 | Kirov | Josh_Borke - of course. most america can't interpret written descriptions, math or not |
| 18:28.50 | Crysli | Josh_Borke: Agreed, |
| 18:28.52 | ralfWORK | "A car weighs 512 kilograms plus half of its weight." |
| 18:29.32 | Guillotine | kilograms are not weight |
| 18:29.32 | Josh_Borke | perfectly fine and valid english |
| 18:29.34 | Guillotine | newtons are weight |
| 18:29.37 | Crysli | ralfWORK: Just add a " total" after "it's" |
| 18:29.38 | Kirov | x = 512 + x / 2 |
| 18:29.38 | Kirov | 2x = 1024 + x |
| 18:29.38 | Kirov | x = 1024 |
| 18:29.38 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:29.47 | Josh_Borke | Guillotine: well done, well done |
| 18:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Guillotine: touché :) |
| 18:29.54 | Josh_Borke | Crysli: you mean its ;-) |
| 18:30.05 | Guillotine | wait, that wasn't the question? |
| 18:30.13 | Guillotine | >.> |
| 18:30.25 | krka | good point |
| 18:30.32 | Crysli | Josh_Borke: Stop confusing me T_T |
| 18:30.39 | krka | weight is generally used interchangably for mass though |
| 18:31.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, as most of the time, gravity is accepted as a constant. |
| 18:31.30 | Guillotine | I mean, technically, it would be x=9.8x/2 + 512. But if they're using kilograms as weight, then its just x=512 + x/2 |
| 18:31.46 | Guillotine | krka: but they're different! |
| 18:31.50 | krka | i know |
| 18:31.52 | Josh_Borke | Guillotine: don't you have to multiply the 512 by 9.8? |
| 18:31.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Josh_Borke: yes |
| 18:31.59 | Guillotine | err, yah, I guess you would |
| 18:32.28 | Crysli | Yeah anyway, thanks for comfirming, everybody. |
| 18:32.29 | krka | however, adding a weight and a mass is completely nonsensical |
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| 18:32.52 | zenzelezz | the obvious answer to the initial question would be "it depends what model the second car is" |
| 18:33.02 | Kirov | Crysli - say 1+ 1 = 3 for sufficiently large values of 1 |
| 18:33.11 | Syzgyn | http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-04-22.gif |
| 18:33.21 | Crysli | Kirov: Don't think my teacher will approve. |
| 18:33.32 | Saint-N | kirov: shhh thats what started this ;P |
| 18:33.53 | Kirov | Crysli - tell her your god tells you it is. |
| 18:33.59 | Josh_Borke | i'll have everyone know, a very similar question to this was on my "The Mensa (R) Puzzle Calendar" |
| 18:34.01 | Saint-N | actually x > y || y > x && x != y |
| 18:34.03 | ralfWORK | I'm till going with 0.999... = 1 |
| 18:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: win |
| 18:34.42 | krka | you could solve it with acceleration as a constant |
| 18:34.47 | krka | that would be a fun exercise too |
| 18:35.07 | Atriace | Yay! I made a pendulum out of math! |
| 18:35.11 | Josh_Borke | X = Y*(512+x/2); X=Y*1024 |
| 18:35.16 | Guillotine | Crysli: Just answer by telling your teacher the units do not match |
| 18:35.18 | Atriace | lua> ping=100 while ping ~= 0 do print(ping) ping = (math.floor((ping/(-2))*100)/100) end |
| 18:35.19 | lua_bot | Atriace: 100, -50, 25, -12.5, 6.25, -3.13, 1.56, -0.78, 0.39, -0.2, 0.1, -0.05, 0.02, -0.01 |
| 18:35.22 | Guillotine | A car cannot 'weigh' 512 kg |
| 18:35.31 | Guillotine | It has a mass of 512kg |
| 18:35.48 | krka | also, you can't know the mass unless you know its speed |
| 18:35.53 | Guillotine | I mean, they didn't specify where, so if they are asking about weight, you have to start doing Gm1m2/r^2 |
| 18:36.04 | Josh_Borke | you can't know its mass without knowing its speed? |
| 18:36.09 | Josh_Borke | isn't mass a fundamental unit? |
| 18:36.17 | Guillotine | except at relativistic speeds |
| 18:36.17 | nevcairiel | isnt weight? |
| 18:36.21 | krka | mass increases with speed |
| 18:36.24 | Josh_Borke | weight is derived |
| 18:36.26 | Guillotine | weight is just a force between two objects |
| 18:36.38 | krka | at the speed of light, mass goes infinite |
| 18:36.41 | Crysli | Guillotine. Nevertheless that was not the objective of the question. I tried using semantics to avoid answering a question before. Was not recieved well. |
| 18:36.44 | Josh_Borke | in theory |
| 18:36.49 | Guillotine | Crysli: awww |
| 18:36.49 | Josh_Borke | krka: in theory i should say |
| 18:36.52 | krka | right |
| 18:37.01 | krka | near speed of light, mass is significantly higher |
| 18:37.06 | Kirov | Crysli - yeah, be a dick and specify that A) it doesn't specify the second car is the same as the first, so you're assuming it is, and B) kg aren't weight, so you're assuming it's asking of mass. Maybe it'll get your bonus points, maybe it'll get you detention. |
| 18:37.20 | krka | i think it will get bonus points |
| 18:37.28 | ralfWORK | Kirov: lol |
| 18:37.29 | Josh_Borke | i think it will get you on the teacher's bad side |
| 18:37.37 | ralfWORK | yes, |
| 18:37.37 | Guillotine | Depends on the teacher |
| 18:37.40 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on the teacher |
| 18:37.42 | ralfWORK | and I'd be likely to bring that up |
| 18:37.42 | krka | math teachers generally like that sort of arguments, ime |
| 18:37.55 | krka | also: depends on the teacher |
| 18:37.56 | Crysli | krka: Not in eighth grade. |
| 18:37.56 | Guillotine | I had a math teacher once that had really applied for the physics job. He loved it when I did that stuff |
| 18:38.29 | krka | Crysli: if so, it is still fun to annoy the teacher :) |
| 18:39.29 | ralfWORK | semantic arguements can only go so far though |
| 18:39.30 | ralfWORK | :P |
| 18:39.54 | krka | the second car model is just being annoying, but weight and mass is a very important distinction in math |
| 18:39.58 | krka | (and physics) |
| 18:40.19 | Crysli | ralkWORK. Yeah, I found out the last time. Teacher was this close to calling my parents. |
| 18:40.31 | krka | we learned about unit matching in school, so apparently the teachers also thought it was important |
| 18:40.35 | Crysli | So the next time if would be buh-bye allowance |
| 18:40.46 | Crysli | I can't spell raflWORK |
| 18:40.49 | Crysli | See? |
| 18:41.19 | krka | just add a comment in parenthesis: "I assumed you meant mass instead of weight here" |
| 18:41.37 | Crysli | Yeah, that's the safe way |
| 18:41.57 | ralfWORK | you could say that everything in science is a theory so the premise is useless |
| 18:42.08 | ralfWORK | not a great idea :P |
| 18:42.32 | Kirov | ralfWORK - I like the idea of "my god tells me the answer is 3." |
| 18:42.49 | Kirov | Or, actually |
| 18:43.06 | Kirov | the real answer would be "The answer isn't in the bible, so it can't be determined." |
| 18:43.19 | Guillotine | In one of my high school math classes, I was ending the semester with a definite A. I decided to answer one of the questions wrong, but by using a seemingly valid argument involving indefinite integrals. The teacher ended up giving me credit because he couldn't figure out where the mistake was made, and thus couldn't prove me wrong |
| 18:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haha win |
| 18:43.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:44.09 | Kirov | nice |
| 18:44.11 | Guillotine | constant of integration > high school math teacher |
| 18:44.36 | ralfWORK | Kirov: right |
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| 18:50.32 | Kirov | There's an old story about the birth of the scientific method vs. religion I was told when I was young. A king asked his oldest and wisest to find out how many teeth his donkey had. His 5 oldest and wisest priests took up the challenge and labored away for 3 weeks to discover the answer, reading and re-reading every religious document they could find. At the end of 3 weeks they came back to the King with their answer, "it is our great regret that we cann |
| 18:50.44 | Kirov | (how much of that did you get?) |
| 18:51.06 | ralfWORK | Kirov: "it is our great regret" |
| 18:51.15 | Kirov | "it is our great regret that we cannot answer the question, so we have deemed the answer unanswerable, thus is the will of god." The piss boy walked over to the mule and said, "why don't you just look in and count the teeth?" He opened the mouth of the mule and started to count. The piss boy was excommunicated. |
| 18:51.33 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 18:51.47 | ralfWORK | heheh pretty much |
| 18:51.53 | Lopeppeppy | No one likes a smart ass. |
| 18:52.08 | Kirov | It's a dumb story, but it is funny. |
| 18:52.15 | ralfWORK | no one likes a smart ass |
| 18:52.17 | ralfWORK | but you know what |
| 18:52.27 | ralfWORK | I'd do it cause I'm anal retentive about shit like that |
| 18:52.30 | Saint-N | better a smartass than a dumbass |
| 18:52.32 | ralfWORK | if details are not given |
| 18:52.43 | ralfWORK | I won't answer the question directly |
| 18:52.46 | ralfWORK | then again |
| 18:52.59 | Saint-N | thats what she said |
| 18:53.01 | ralfWORK | I'm a professional; I don't answer stupid word puzzles in a classroom :P |
| 18:53.10 | Saint-N | thats what she said |
| 18:53.14 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 18:53.21 | Crysli | I'm trying to make an addon that hides a Bartender3 frame on certain events. Would it be sufficient to say BT3Bar1:SetAlpha(0) or do I have to use some fancy code? |
| 18:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | It takes much less effort to respond with, "This question needs further clarification" than to come up with a complex (not)funny smartass answer. |
| 18:53.58 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: sure. it could still cost you the grade |
| 18:54.11 | ralfWORK | it would irritate me though |
| 18:54.23 | ralfWORK | it's like when you correct someone's grammar |
| 18:54.30 | Saint-N | crysli: just ditch it and get trinity bars, it autohides for ombat changes for chape etc etc etc |
| 18:54.38 | ralfWORK | you'd better be damn sure you have correct grammar yourself |
| 18:54.42 | Crysli | Saint-N: No. I'm trying to make addons here |
| 18:54.50 | Saint-N | crysli: i believe that bt3 also has the ability to hide on events built in but ask cncfanatic to be sure |
| 18:54.57 | Lopeppeppy | If the question isn't clear and you can ask for clarification, it's better than if you wing it to be "funny" or contrary. |
| 18:55.27 | Guillotine | Depends on the teacher. Some like explanations. Some don't. |
| 18:55.27 | ralfWORK | *shrug* |
| 18:55.59 | ralfWORK | I'd really venture to say that anything other than circling the box/writing the answer in the right spot |
| 18:56.07 | ralfWORK | could risk it not being counted |
| 18:56.10 | ralfWORK | but what do i know |
| 18:56.16 | Saint-N | my physics teach used to give full marks to any question you didnt know the answer to if you started with "let's assume that the X is a sphere" |
| 18:56.29 | Saint-N | because he loved that old joke |
| 18:56.39 | ralfWORK | which old joke? |
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| 18:57.29 | Saint-N | A mathematician, an engineer and a physicist sat around a table discussing how to measure the volume of a cow. |
| 18:57.29 | Saint-N | The mathematician suggested the use of geometry and symmetry relationships of the cow, but his idea was rejected on the grounds of being too time consuming. |
| 18:57.39 | Saint-N | The engineer suggested placing the cow in a pool of water and measuring the change in the height of the water, but his idea was rejected on the grounds of impracticality. |
| 18:57.39 | Saint-N | "It's easy," said the physicist. "We'll make an asumption that the cow is a small sphere, calculate the volume and then blow it up to the actual size." |
| 18:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad I'm an adult in the workplace where it's allowed to ask questions. |
| 18:57.43 | Saint-N | thats one version of it |
| 18:58.07 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: amen to that |
| 18:58.23 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: someone asks me that stupid car question and I'll get clarification |
| 18:58.37 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: that's... intereesting |
| 18:58.42 | Shirik | why can't I put the cow in water :( |
| 18:59.09 | Crysli | So anyway, would BT3Bar1:SetAlpha suffice? |
| 18:59.11 | ralfWORK | also, there's more than one way to skin a cat |
| 18:59.15 | Saint-N | A farmer is worried because his cows are not giving much milk. So he asks his friends if they have any ideas how to fix the problem. |
| 18:59.15 | Saint-N | His biologist friend wants to run a lot of tests for diseases or poor nutrition - but the farmer thinks that would be too expensive and take too long. |
| 18:59.15 | Saint-N | His sociologist friend thinks the problem is the cows are bored. He suggests getting a landscape consultant to redesign the fields, getting a gardening expert to recommend some pretty flowers, playing music in the cowsheds, etc, etc. The farmer doesn't like any of that either. |
| 18:59.16 | Saint-N | So finally he goes to ask a mathematician. |
| 18:59.18 | Saint-N | The mathematician says, "What is your definition of a cow?". So he takes him into the cowshed to have a look. |
| 18:59.21 | Saint-N | The mathematician says, "OK, I need a flipchart and lots of paper". So he goes home, gets a chart and an easel, comes back, and sets it up in the cowshed. |
| 18:59.24 | Saint-N | He then draws a big circle with a dot in the middle. He stares at this for half an hour, then says: |
| 18:59.26 | Saint-N | "Theorem 1. Assume that a cow is a uniform sphere |
| 18:59.27 | Kirov | Have you guys heard the story about Albert Einsten's apprentice? |
| 18:59.28 | Saint-N | thats the other version ;P |
| 19:00.02 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: I am not familiar with any of these, but they are ammusing |
| 19:00.19 | Saint-N | thers lots of awesome physics jokes |
| 19:00.31 | Saint-N | cosmicvariance has a few |
| 19:00.58 | TecnoBrat | stab in the dark .. but Whitetooth doesn't happen to be here does he under a different name? |
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| 19:02.04 | Saint-N | http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/02/13/bad-physics-jokes/ |
| 19:02.34 | Saint-N | So what was the bad physics joke? Oh, well, it really is bad. I was in the middle of saying that Maxwells equations are coupled differential equations, but that we can decouple them and see something interesting (what will turn out to be the wave equation) by simply curling, a practice which still survives to this day as an Olympic sport
.. |
| 19:03.40 | Saint-N | Theres a whole inside gag with some of us at SLAC about Lord Tilde. I think you had to be there, but with just one mention we all fall to the floor laughing. |
| 19:03.40 | Saint-N | My personal favorite was from the older string parody papers in the mid-80s. Sorry, but I forget the reference. Even worse, I can only write the joke in tex, but will reproduce it anyway for people who can figure it out in tex: |
| 19:03.40 | Saint-N | F_{\mu\nu}^{SUSY}\tilde I_\nu^{SUSY} |
| 19:04.23 | Saint-N | [Liquidor]: Why are quantum physicists so poor at sex? |
| 19:04.23 | Saint-N | A: Because when they find the position, they can't find the momentum, and when they have the momentum, they can't find the position. |
| 19:04.36 | Saint-N | stupid nickcomplete |
| 19:04.38 | ralfWORK | oh bad lol |
| 19:04.50 | Saint-N | A neutron walked into a bar and asked, "How much for a drink?" The bartender replied, "For you, no charge." |
| 19:05.03 | ralfWORK | yuk yuk yuk |
| 19:05.04 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:05.07 | Saint-N | Two atoms were walking across a road when one of them said, "I think I lost an electron!" "Really!" the other replied, "Are you sure?" "Yes, I 'm absolutely positive." |
| 19:05.35 | ralfWORK | rofl! |
| 19:05.39 | nevcairiel | man bad physics chemistry jokes =P |
| 19:05.41 | Polarina | :) |
| 19:05.50 | nevcairiel | that misses a / |
| 19:05.57 | Saint-N | Murphy's Ten Laws for String Theorists: |
| 19:06.06 | Saint-N | (2) If your results are based on the work of others, then one such work will turn out to be wrong. (3) The longer your article, the more likely your computer hard disk drive will fail while you are typing the references. |
| 19:06.16 | [Liquidor] | what the hell Saint-N? |
| 19:06.26 | Saint-N | (4) The better your research result, the more likely it will be rejected by the referee of a journal; on the other hand, if your work is wrong but not obviously so, it will be accepted for publication right away. |
| 19:06.36 | Saint-N | [Liquidor]: name complete appearantly thinks your q: |
| 19:06.36 | krka | seriously, this is spam |
| 19:06.40 | krka | stop it |
| 19:06.55 | Guillotine | "There?s a whole inside gag with some of us at SLAC about ?Lord Tilde.? I th..." oh my god. Its contagious. He must have caught it from Shirik |
| 19:07.07 | Saint-N | A physics professor, who was teaching a graduate course on superstring theory, decided to add an essay question to this year's final exam. The instructions read, "Describe the universe in 400 words or less and give three examples." |
| 19:07.10 | Saint-N | heh |
| 19:07.21 | Saint-N | actually its just my client |
| 19:07.46 | [Liquidor] | if it's one big delayed c&p then reconnect or smth -.- |
| 19:07.59 | Shirik | wait what? |
| 19:08.03 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:08.21 | Saint-N | its not ;P |
| 19:08.23 | [Liquidor] | is it a trivia? |
| 19:08.29 | [Liquidor] | (with long answers) |
| 19:08.33 | Saint-N | random time filler stuff |
| 19:08.59 | Shirik | Guillotine what I did T_T |
| 19:09.17 | Guillotine | Shirik: ? instead of ' |
| 19:09.27 | Polarina | Saint-N: "400 words or less", :P |
| 19:09.43 | Saint-N | and 3 examples lO |
| 19:09.44 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 19:09.55 | Shirik | Hey my quotes are correct now |
| 19:09.56 | Shirik | not my fault! |
| 19:10.40 | Saint-N | http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/jokes/physicsjokes.html |
| 19:10.54 | Saint-N | what makes these jokes awesome is theres an explanation link for each one ;P |
| 19:11.28 | Saint-N | http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/jokes/cernparticles.html heh |
| 19:11.36 | Shirik | some of those are good |
| 19:11.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:11.38 | Shirik | "A neutron walked into a bar and asked, "How much for a drink?" The bartender replied, "For you, no charge." " |
| 19:11.58 | nevcairiel | we had that like 5 minutes ago |
| 19:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | har har |
| 19:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~roulette |
| 19:12.04 | purl | ACTION watches scytheblade1 pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah I wanted to die :( |
| 19:12.17 | Shirik | bah |
| 19:12.19 | Saint-N | we all do scythe |
| 19:12.19 | Shirik | ~roulette |
| 19:12.20 | purl | ACTION watches shirik pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:12.30 | Saint-N | ~roulette |
| 19:12.30 | purl | ACTION watches saint-n pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:12.54 | AbsoRayne | o.o |
| 19:13.06 | Saint-N | There is a sign in Munich that says, "Heisenberg might have slept here." |
| 19:13.11 | Saint-N | heh |
| 19:13.31 | Saint-N | joke 38 is great |
| 19:13.38 | AbsoRayne | ~roulette |
| 19:13.39 | purl | ACTION watches absorayne pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:13.43 | AbsoRayne | phew |
| 19:14.25 | Saint-N | READ THIS BEFORE OPENING: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observed. |
| 19:14.34 | widger|work | ~roulette |
| 19:14.35 | purl | ACTION watches widger|work pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Well then |
| 19:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone else? ;D |
| 19:14.58 | Syzgyn | ~roulette |
| 19:14.58 | purl | ACTION watches syzgyn pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:15.03 | Syzgyn | phew! |
| 19:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait what? |
| 19:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's six |
| 19:15.10 | Saint-N | the event is random scythe |
| 19:15.11 | widger|work | And? |
| 19:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Not in the past |
| 19:15.18 | Saint-N | not in linear order ;) |
| 19:15.19 | Syzgyn | you spin it every time |
| 19:15.20 | ralfWORK | ~roulette |
| 19:15.21 | purl | ACTION watches ralfwork pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | In the past, purl's roulette was always one every six, and I don't mean rand(1,6) |
| 19:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | This saddens me |
| 19:15.56 | widger|work | I almost said something about idiots not spinning the chamber before firing when playing russian roulette. |
| 19:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:16.09 | Shirik | ~roulette |
| 19:16.10 | purl | ACTION watches shirik pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:16.15 | ralfWORK | if you don't spin it, what's the fun? |
| 19:16.25 | Shirik | that the 6th person knows he's going to die? |
| 19:16.33 | Saint-N | http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/jokes/ohmcoulomb.html |
| 19:16.34 | ralfWORK | no that's not fun |
| 19:16.40 | Shirik | fun for the other 5! |
| 19:16.47 | ralfWORK | hahahaha |
| 19:17.01 | ralfWORK | actully that would mean by the 6th person, someone would be dead |
| 19:17.10 | ralfWORK | could always be the next one in line |
| 19:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~roulette |
| 19:17.18 | purl | ACTION watches scytheblade1 pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:17.18 | Shirik | yes but if the 6th person gets it |
| 19:17.30 | Saint-N | Outside his buckyball home, one molecule overheard another molecule saying, "I'm positive that a free electron once stripped me of an electron after he lepton me. You gotta keep your ion them." |
| 19:17.31 | Shirik | And even better, as you move down the line, your chances of dying improve |
| 19:17.52 | ralfWORK | but why do that when you can just decimate |
| 19:18.02 | Shirik | the first person, if he gets it, has a 1/6 chance of dying. The second person has a 1/3 if he gets it. And so on: 1/2, 2/3, 5/6, 100% |
| 19:18.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, ha |
| 19:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That wasn't purl |
| 19:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That was a different bot that had a guaranteed 1 in 6 |
| 19:18.32 | ralfWORK | wait that reminds me of another word problem |
| 19:18.34 | Syzgyn | Saint-N: That was pretty bad |
| 19:18.52 | ralfWORK | or rather, statistic problem |
| 19:19.41 | Saint-N | Here is a historical note: In the 1980's, in an effort to increase public awareness about the importance of chemistry, the American Chemical Society posted billboards with a picture of C6H10 and the title, "It takes alkynes to make a world." |
| 19:19.43 | ralfWORK | monty hall problem |
| 19:19.46 | Saint-N | Syzgyn: wasnt it though |
| 19:20.09 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: now *that* is bad |
| 19:20.18 | widger|work | Saint-N: Now I understand why fewer smart people are chemists. |
| 19:20.23 | Saint-N | crack is whack! |
| 19:20.47 | Tekkub | Maldivia, http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=API_Frame_SetUserPlaced&curid=46584&diff=1323717&oldid=829908&rcid=1307495 |
| 19:20.49 | Shirik | lua> do local s = 0; roulette(n) if n or s == 0 then s = 6; end if (math.random(s)==1) then print"BANG!" s = 0; else print "Click."; end s = s - 1; end end |
| 19:20.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 19:20.56 | Saint-N | At the end of the semester, a 10th-grade chemistry teacher asked her students what was the most important thing that they learned in lab. A student promptly raised his hand and said, "Never lick the spoon." |
| 19:21.01 | Shirik | lua> do local s = 0; function roulette(n) if n or s == 0 then s = 6; end if (math.random(s)==1) then print"BANG!" s = 0; else print "Click."; end s = s - 1; end end |
| 19:21.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 19:21.07 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 19:21.12 | Tekkub | Maldivia, perhaps you should clearify when exactly they must be created, I'm guessing before VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 19:21.12 | Shirik | lua> roulette() |
| 19:21.12 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'roulette' (a nil value) |
| 19:21.15 | Syzgyn | that one's good |
| 19:21.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:21.19 | Shirik | oh crap, wrong bot |
| 19:21.25 | Shirik | --> do local s = 0; function roulette(n) if n or s == 0 then s = 6; end if (math.random(s)==1) then print"BANG!" s = 0; else print "Click."; end s = s - 1; end end |
| 19:21.30 | Shirik | there we go, now we have roulette |
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| 19:21.35 | Saint-N | hah they've got the thing to ban dihydrogen monoxide, otherwise know as the invisible, killer substance |
| 19:21.35 | Shirik | I think |
| 19:21.48 | wereHamster | doesn't purl know ~roulette ? |
| 19:22.00 | Shirik | yes but people were complaining about purl's lack of desire to kill people |
| 19:22.04 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: you have no idea how many people I've gotten with dihydrogen monoxide |
| 19:22.07 | ralfWORK | best thing is |
| 19:22.19 | ralfWORK | I can do it to the same people every year |
| 19:22.22 | ralfWORK | and they won't remember |
| 19:22.29 | wereHamster | is purl's random number generator biased towards not killing people? |
| 19:22.31 | Saint-N | heh yup |
| 19:22.35 | Saint-N | One day on the Tonight Show, Jay Leno showed a classified add that read: "Do you have mole problems? If so, call Avogadro at 602-1023." |
| 19:22.54 | widger|work | ... |
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| 19:23.01 | ScytheBlade1 | .... haha |
| 19:23.17 | ralfWORK | I don't get it? |
| 19:23.22 | Syzgyn | lua> roulette() |
| 19:23.22 | lua_bot | Syzgyn: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'roulette' (a nil value) |
| 19:23.30 | Syzgyn | :( |
| 19:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | --> roulette() |
| 19:23.31 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Click. |
| 19:23.40 | Syzgyn | oh |
| 19:23.40 | nevcairiel | ~roulette |
| 19:23.41 | purl | ACTION watches nevcairiel pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:23.42 | Saint-N | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avogadro%27s_number |
| 19:23.58 | Syzgyn | --> roulette() |
| 19:23.58 | batbot | Syzgyn: Click. |
| 19:24.04 | ralfWORK | oh |
| 19:24.05 | Syzgyn | dun dun dun |
| 19:24.06 | ralfWORK | hahahaaha |
| 19:24.23 | Syzgyn | whos gonna be next? :D |
| 19:24.56 | ralfWORK | --> roulette() |
| 19:24.56 | Shirik | I refuse this late in the game |
| 19:24.57 | batbot | ralfWORK: Click. |
| 19:25.02 | Shirik | p.s. this is completely untested |
| 19:25.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:25.15 | Saint-N | --> roulette() |
| 19:25.16 | batbot | Saint-N: Click. |
| 19:25.24 | nevcairiel | --> string.dump(roulette) |
| 19:25.24 | batbot | b0¡000 do local s = 0; function roulette(n) if n or s == 0 then s = 6; end if (math.random(s)==1) then print"BANG!" s = 0; else print "Click."; end s = s - 1; end end0 |
| 19:25.24 | batbot | 000 |
| 19:25.40 | Shirik | wtf, I just made it above |
| 19:25.43 | Shirik | scroll up, lol |
| 19:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ tldr |
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| 19:25.52 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 19:25.57 | nevcairiel | i didnt pay attention |
| 19:26.22 | Atriace | can you dynamicly create functions within a function? |
| 19:26.32 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:26.38 | Atriace | I can't find syntax for it. |
| 19:27.40 | dylanm | It's just a function declaration. Just stick it in there. |
| 19:28.23 | Atriace | e.g., function foo(); function fooBar(): --code; end; end;? |
| 19:28.34 | Shirik | sure |
| 19:28.37 | Shirik | if you want it to be global |
| 19:28.43 | Kaso | you can also do var = function() end |
| 19:28.52 | Atriace | That I do... and dynamicly named global based on the current value of i |
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| 19:31.41 | Saint-N | [Liquidor]: What is the difference between a Quantum Theorist and a Beauty |
| 19:31.41 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.41 | Saint-N | A: The Quantum Theorist uses Planck's Constant as a foundation, |
| 19:31.41 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.49 | Saint-N | heh |
| 19:31.56 | Saint-N | stupid nickcomplete |
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| 19:32.21 | Saint-N | What's the difference between Max Factor and Quantum Theorist? Max Factor has models that work. |
| 19:32.35 | ckknight | lol. |
| 19:33.01 | Snago | Ohh.. I wanna play too |
| 19:33.02 | Snago | ~roulette |
| 19:33.03 | purl | ACTION watches snago pull the trigger: Click! |
| 19:33.10 | Snago | Phew! |
| 19:33.37 | Saint-N | A physics student was hit by a brick falling from a house. He fainted, but came to after a while and started smiling. The onlookers were worried, so they asked him why the smile. "I just realized how lucky I am because the kinetic energy is only half m v squared." |
| 19:33.44 | Saint-N | --> roulette() |
| 19:33.45 | batbot | Saint-N: Click. |
| 19:33.48 | Saint-N | --> roulette() |
| 19:33.48 | batbot | Saint-N: BANG! |
| 19:33.51 | Saint-N | yay! |
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| 19:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hey! You're dead! |
| 19:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shut up! |
| 19:34.06 | Snago | Saint-N: Shut up! Now you're dead! |
| 19:34.08 | Saint-N | just a flesh wound |
| 19:34.14 | Saint-N | i feel happy! |
| 19:34.19 | Saint-N | i think i'll go for a walk |
| 19:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | and die while you bleed |
| 19:34.43 | Saint-N | im fine |
| 19:34.50 | Saint-N | no you're not you'll be stone dead in a momment |
| 19:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and now you're bipolar ;D |
| 19:35.13 | Saint-N | im a bi- Polar bear? |
| 19:37.32 | Saint-N | Chemistry is physics without thought. |
| 19:37.32 | Saint-N | Mathematics is physics without purpose. |
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| 19:46.51 | Atriace | can you name a function with a string? e.g., function (varA.."_Foo")() |
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| 19:47.51 | kergoth | the function would be in a table, either the global one or another. t["foo"] = function() end |
| 19:48.34 | Shirik | you can do _G[varA.."_Foo"] = function() |
| 19:48.41 | Shirik | but that seems a bad idea to me |
| 19:48.54 | Atriace | Because... ? |
| 19:49.09 | Shirik | because it's global |
| 19:49.24 | Atriace | Shirik doesn't like globals, I see. |
| 19:50.04 | Saint-N | One day a mathematician decides that he is sick of math. So, he walks down to the fire department and announces that he wants to become a fireman. |
| 19:50.04 | Saint-N | The fire chief says, "Well, you look like a good guy. I'd be glad to hire you, but first I have to give you a little test." |
| 19:50.04 | Saint-N | The firechief takes the mathematcian to the alley behind the fire department which contains a dumpster, a spigot, and a hose. The chief then says, "OK, you're walking in the alley and you see the dumpster here is on fire. What do you do?" |
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| 19:50.05 | kergoth | most competent developers feel the same way. needlessly polluting the global namespace is not a good thing |
| 19:50.19 | Saint-N | The mathematician replies, "Well, I hook up the hose to the spigot, turn the water on, and put out the fire." |
| 19:50.20 | Saint-N | The chief says, "That's great... perfect. Now I have to ask you just one more question. What do you do if you're walking down the alley and you see the dumpster is not on fire?" |
| 19:50.26 | Saint-N | The mathematician puzzles over the question for awhile and he finally says, "I light the dumpster on fire." |
| 19:50.26 | Saint-N | The chief yells, "What? That's horrible! Why would you light the dumpster on fire?" |
| 19:50.26 | Saint-N | The mathematician replies, "Well, that way I reduce the problem to one I've already solved." |
| 19:50.28 | Saint-N | oops |
| 19:50.38 | Saint-N | that was the wrong key |
| 19:52.55 | [Liquidor] | I hate you Saint-N |
| 19:53.10 | Saint-N | no you love me you're just confused |
| 19:53.33 | [Liquidor] | I am |
| 19:53.34 | Shirik | But yeah, Atriace, what kergoth said is true |
| 19:53.35 | [Liquidor] | ! |
| 19:53.50 | [Liquidor] | We prefer the local bar Atriace |
| 19:54.05 | Atriace | Yeah... I follow. It's faster in a local namespace, anyway. |
| 19:54.18 | [Liquidor] | Atriace, just use a table |
| 19:54.19 | Saint-N | except that kergoths statement was in agreement with shirik who as we know is an engineer not a competent developer ;P |
| 19:54.20 | dylanm | Globals take jobs away from hard-working local variables. |
| 19:54.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:54.32 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 19:54.33 | Atriace | lol |
| 19:54.41 | Shirik | I'm a computer engineer, which includes software development T_T |
| 19:54.48 | [Liquidor] | [21:48:10] [@Shirik] But yeah, Atriace, what Saint-N said is true |
| 19:55.22 | Atriace | "I didn't write bad code. I simply outsmarted the computer." |
| 19:55.28 | Saint-N | heh |
| 19:55.29 | ralfWORK | hehe |
| 19:56.01 | Shirik | I've done that on a microcontroller before |
| 19:56.10 | Shirik | and on Motorola 68000 |
| 19:56.24 | kergoth | i used to love coding.. now i hate it. gotta love getting a job doing what was a hobby.. |
| 19:56.30 | Shirik | I used a memory alignment error on the processor to execute some code in a special case |
| 19:57.34 | Shirik | WoW has something strange too |
| 19:57.47 | Shirik | there's a caught access violation (segfault) somewhere |
| 19:58.03 | Shirik | it happens about 10 times every time I log in |
| 19:58.33 | Atriace | Shirik: if I remember correctly, you also have experience writting machine code for the PowerPC, no? |
| 19:58.44 | Atriace | writing even |
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| 19:59.20 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 19:59.22 | Shirik | oh god no |
| 19:59.25 | Saint-N | I have the proof, but there isn't room to write it in this margin. |
| 20:00.25 | Xinhuan | famous words |
| 20:01.39 | Saint-N | One day, Jesus said to his disciples: "The Kingdom of Heaven is like 3x squared plus 8x minus 9." St. Thomas looked very confused and asked St. Peter: "What does the teacher mean?" St.Peter replied: "Don't worry - it's just another one of his parabolas." |
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| 20:03.56 | Saint-N | A famous mathematician was to give a keynote speech at a conference. Asked for an advance summary, he said he would present a proof of Fermat's Last Theorem -- but they should keep it under their hats. When he arrived, though, he spoke on a much more prosaic topic. Afterwards the conference organizers asked why he said he'd talk about the theorem and then didn't. He replied this was his standard practice, just in case he was killed on the wa |
| 20:03.58 | Saint-N | hahaha |
| 20:04.16 | Kirov | Albert Einstein is looking for a new apprentice, a couple of bright young men show up eager to apply for the position. He invites the first man in, a well educated man with degrees from the best schools in the world. Einstein tells him he needs to find the volume of a container, do so and he'll get the job. The man laughs at such an easy task and walks over to a work bench he's direct over to. On it is a bizarrely shapped glass container and a plethora |
| 20:04.22 | Kirov | The man laughs at such an easy task and walks over to a work bench he's direct over to. On it is a bizarrely shapped glass container and a plethora of measuring devices; rulers, compasses, etc. The man picks up a ruler and starts working out the dimensions of the container, imediately Einstein stops him and escorts him out of building wishing him on his way. He does the same to the next several men who walk in, each of them stopped as soon as they touch a |
| 20:04.29 | Kirov | Finally, the last man, a bright fellow, but one who never had the money to attend the nice schools is shown the desk and all of the tools. He looks at the tools for a moment, then looks around the room some. In the corner he sees a small sink with some measuring cups beside it. He walks over to the sink with the peculiar container, fills it with water, and empties it in to a measuring cup. |
| 20:04.33 | krka | SPAM |
| 20:04.37 | Kirov | Einstein walks up to him and says, "You're hired." The young man is surprised, "Why do I get the job and not all of those before me?" "Common sense is worth more than knowledge." |
| 20:05.20 | Kirov | guessing parts of that got cut off. >.< |
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| 20:13.24 | Kirov | Too much? |
| 20:13.28 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 20:13.30 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 20:13.52 | Kirov | I like that joke, but it has a long lead up |
| 20:14.11 | Kaso | who in their right mind would attempt to work out the volume of an irregular container by measurements |
| 20:14.20 | Saint-N | nerds |
| 20:14.21 | Kaso | unless you have some sort of lazer scanner nearby |
| 20:14.22 | Atriace | I didnt' get the punchline. It seemed obvious. |
| 20:15.10 | Kirov | Atriace - I guess it's more an anecdote than a joke |
| 20:15.18 | Saint-N | A physicist and a mathematician are sitting in a faculty lounge. Suddenly, the coffee machine catches on fire. The physicist grabs a bucket and leap towards the sink, filled the bucket with water and puts out the fire. Second day, the same two sit in the same lounge. Again, the coffee machine catches on fire. This time, the mathematician stands up, got a bucket, hands the bucket to the physicist, thus reducing the problem to a previously sol |
| 20:15.28 | Kirov | thus reducing the problem to a previously sol |
| 20:16.07 | Saint-N | A physicist, a mathematician, and a mystic were asked to name the greatest invention of all time. The physicist chose the fire, which gave humanity the power over matter. The mathematician chose the alphabet, which gave humanity power over symbols. The mystic chose the thermos bottle. |
| 20:16.07 | Saint-N | "Why a thermos bottle?" the others asked. |
| 20:16.08 | Kirov | (I get the joke, but it is cut off) |
| 20:16.14 | Saint-N | "Because the thermos keeps hot liquids hot in winter and cold liquids cold in summer." |
| 20:16.15 | Saint-N | "Yes -- so what?" |
| 20:16.15 | Saint-N | "Think about it." said the mystic reverently. That little bottle -- how does it *know*?" |
| 20:18.33 | Saint-N | A mathematician organizes a lottery in which the prize is an infinite amount of money. When the winning ticket is drawn, and the jubilant winner comes to claim his prize, the mathematician explains the mode of payment: "1 dollar now, 1/2 dollar next week, 1/3 dollar the week after that..." |
| 20:18.42 | Kaso | Im not sure "fire" is really an invention.. |
| 20:18.50 | Kirov | Three guys in the desert stumble apon a magic lamp, they rub it and a genie comes out and grants them all one wish. The first man wishes for a nearly weightless bucket of clean drinking water that never runs out of water, the second wishes for a camel with saddle bags filled with an endless supply of food. |
| 20:18.58 | Saint-N | the ability to recreate it was |
| 20:19.12 | ckknight | Saint-N: hehe, technically it is infinite :-P |
| 20:19.15 | Kirov | The third wishes for a car door. "A car door?" the genie asks. "Yes, so I can roll down the window when it gets hot." |
| 20:20.09 | Saint-N | When a statistician passes the airport security check, they discover a bomb in his bag. He explains. "Statistics shows that the probability of a bomb being on an airplane is 1/1000. However, the chance that there are two bombs at one plane is 1/1000000. So, I am much safer..." |
| 20:20.38 | Kaso | hah |
| 20:21.25 | krka | bad statistics :( |
| 20:21.59 | Kirov | Three guys on an island and a magic lamp floats on to the shore. The genie grants them all one wish. The first man wishes to be back home with his family. He vanishes. The second wishes he was back at his favorite pub with his old pals. He vanishes. The third man says, "I miss my friends, I wish they'd come back." |
| 20:22.02 | Saint-N | there are liars damned liars and statictians |
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| 20:33.39 | Kaso | You know when you drag down a range to extend it in excel/oo can you do that by a pre-defined number rather than dragging it out |
| 20:33.54 | Kaso | Googling for "extending ranges in excel" isnt working too well >., |
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| 20:39.03 | Atriace | Alright, this is a combined issue of naming a function dynamicly and calling upon it within a frame:SetScript(). Help would be appreciated (error result included): http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86262 |
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| 20:40.19 | Saint-N | Bad Physics Joke of the Day |
| 20:40.19 | Saint-N | If a scalar particle of the quintessence field is a Quinton, what's its superpartner called? |
| 20:40.29 | Saint-N | the Tarantino! |
| 20:40.58 | Kirov | Atriace - that has to be one of the most peculiar methods of defining a function ever |
| 20:41.03 | Atriace | It seems obvious to me I'm naming the function incorrectly. And using ()() might be akin to pulling results from to vars rather than function(). They aren't created yet, so I don't see using a table lookup as working. |
| 20:41.33 | Atriace | But you're right, Kirov. It is peculiar |
| 20:41.41 | Atriace | and necessary. |
| 20:41.49 | Kirov | _G[ father_string .. "_Tooltip" .. buffIndex ] = function() ... end |
| 20:42.37 | Kirov | (assuming it has to be a global) |
| 20:43.19 | Atriace | actually, it doesn't. I wanted to do prefix.(father_string.."_Tooltip"..buffIndex), but I figured that'd only complicate matters at this point. |
| 20:43.43 | Kaso | you can do that? |
| 20:43.57 | Kirov | Kaso - why not? |
| 20:44.15 | Kaso | it just seems.. wrong |
| 20:44.18 | Atriace | table.key |
| 20:44.22 | Kirov | global definition of variables is wrong |
| 20:44.38 | Kirov | it's just adding a hash to the current environment table |
| 20:45.04 | Atriace | Kirov: What line? |
| 20:45.13 | Kirov | SOME_GLOBAL_VARIABLE = "stuff" |
| 20:45.13 | Kirov | equivalent to |
| 20:45.13 | Kirov | _G["SOME_GLOBAL_VARIABLE"] = "stuff" |
| 20:45.20 | Syzgyn | Atraiace: why not just move the entire function code into the OnEnter script? |
| 20:46.04 | Atriace | You mean a really long line with the function included on line 13? |
| 20:46.13 | Atriace | I hadn't considered it. |
| 20:46.17 | Kaso | >>>a="test"; function (a .. "1")() print("yay") end test1() |
| 20:46.24 | Kaso | you can't do that! |
| 20:46.26 | Kaso | i knew it |
| 20:47.11 | Kirov | >>> _G["test"..1] = function() print( "test" ) end test1() |
| 20:47.11 | Cide | Kirov: "test" |
| 20:48.05 | Kaso | ive just realised you though i was saying you could do that with the _G before Kirov, that was not what i had issue with :> |
| 20:48.17 | Syzgyn | Atriace: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86263 |
| 20:48.35 | Syzgyn | er, wow, I missed the ) and the last end |
| 20:48.53 | Atriace | wow... that's actually quite beautiful. |
| 20:49.03 | Shirik | I believe Kaso was worried about the prefix.(ton of stuff) |
| 20:49.17 | Shirik | where it would have to be prefix[ton of stuff] |
| 20:49.30 | Atriace | Where is the script parented to then? |
| 20:49.36 | Atriace | father? |
| 20:49.57 | Syzgyn | I think so |
| 20:50.03 | krka | addons that use getglobal / setglobal / _G are doing stuff wrong :/ |
| 20:50.30 | Cide | why? |
| 20:50.53 | cogwheel | krka: if you consider using XML wrong then ok... |
| 20:50.56 | Kirov | krka - I'll agree dirtying the global is bad, is there another reason? |
| 20:51.07 | Syzgyn | I tend to parent my frames to my addon's namespace |
| 20:51.08 | Cide | I disagree with dirtying the global namespace |
| 20:51.10 | Duman | hmm |
| 20:51.22 | Duman | I don't buy this stealth targetting "macro" issue |
| 20:51.36 | Cide | it's a stupid, perceived issue that doesn't exist |
| 20:51.44 | Duman | that's what it seems like to me |
| 20:51.51 | krka | i mostly think it's bad practice to use the global environment as your personal array |
| 20:51.52 | Cide | I wasn't talking to you |
| 20:52.07 | Cide | it is |
| 20:52.07 | krka | then there's the risk of overwriting other people's variables |
| 20:52.08 | Saint-N | jerk |
| 20:52.15 | Kirov | Cide - people who use global variables as their iterator should be shot |
| 20:52.15 | Cide | which is minor at best |
| 20:52.37 | Kirov | but I guess that's more of an optimization complaint |
| 20:52.50 | Cide | but people who complain because an addon defines three globals instead of one should be too |
| 20:52.53 | Cide | or 15 globals instead of 1 |
| 20:52.58 | krka | and i don't even see what the point of doing this is - just creating a table instead works just as well |
| 20:53.04 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 20:53.07 | Cide | it works just as well |
| 20:53.09 | krka | globals with constant names are fine |
| 20:53.11 | Cide | so why is it better? |
| 20:53.16 | Shirik | Cide: Windows "works just as well" also :P |
| 20:53.20 | krka | using variable global names is silly |
| 20:53.21 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 20:53.21 | Cide | windows is great |
| 20:53.38 | Shirik | just because something works doesn't mean it's good |
| 20:53.40 | Cide | without it, computers wouldn't be as mainstream |
| 20:53.46 | Shirik | sure they would, just with mac os |
| 20:53.53 | Cide | mac os sucked |
| 20:54.09 | Saint-N | we wouldnt have pc's though |
| 20:54.09 | Shirik | IIge! |
| 20:54.16 | Shirik | no, we would have cubes |
| 20:54.16 | Saint-N | we'd all have macs |
| 20:54.22 | Cide | and they still need to borrow intuitivity guidelines from ms |
| 20:54.23 | Saint-N | that would be identical |
| 20:54.45 | Saint-N | and then we'd all have a "windows" machine as a joke or for gaming ;) |
| 20:54.48 | Shirik | but at least we wouldn't have functions named WaitForSingleObject or SwitchToThread |
| 20:54.55 | Saint-N | and the internet would still use mostly html |
| 20:54.58 | Cide | Shirik: that's a minor issue |
| 20:55.01 | Shirik | and we wouldn't have structures with 500 useless parameters |
| 20:55.13 | Cide | still irrelevant |
| 20:55.19 | Saint-N | because without the pc pushing the design forward the internet would still be dialup for most people l;) |
| 20:55.24 | Cide | global namespace pollution is in 99% of the cases a total non-issue |
| 20:55.27 | Shirik | and this is why I'm a computer engineer instead of a software engineer |
| 20:55.38 | Cide | the other 1% is people who name their global variables "message" or "print" or "i" |
| 20:55.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:56.02 | Shirik | CreateFrame = "Hello world!" |
| 20:56.14 | Cide | but sure, a table is a lot more elegant and avoids all of that altogether (I use a single table namespace too) |
| 20:57.01 | krka | it's a not very difficult concept - if you can choose between something elegant and something seemingly unstructured and all else being equal, i choose the elegant |
| 20:57.46 | Cide | right, but I get angry when people go and tell someone who has posted example code that the fact that they used more than one global is some kind of bug or something |
| 20:57.50 | Cide | "you must fix it!" |
| 20:57.51 | Shirik | (16:56:00) - Netsplit ("D.M.S.R. - .gz.") 1 quits: Saint-N |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | wtf is that netsplit? |
| 20:57.55 | Cide | it's a design decision |
| 20:58.07 | Cide | Shirik: his quit message :P |
| 20:58.12 | Cide | Saint-N has quit ("D.M.S.R. .gz.") |
| 20:58.15 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 20:58.21 | Shirik | my client picked it up as a netsplit |
| 20:58.22 | Cide | and your irc script thinks it's a net split |
| 20:58.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:58.22 | zenzelezz | Shirik: you lose at spotting ""s |
| 20:58.31 | Cide | no, his client does |
| 20:59.07 | cogwheel | shirik's client loses at everything |
| 20:59.11 | Shirik | my client is god |
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| 20:59.17 | Shirik | with a little devil in it |
| 20:59.24 | cogwheel | kinky |
| 21:00.27 | Duman | haha |
| 21:00.34 | krka | Cide: i said i wasn't against using global variables, just using variable names for global variables |
| 21:00.46 | krka | MyVariable = x; -- this is fine |
| 21:00.56 | krka | _G["MyVariable" .. i] = x; -- this is not |
| 21:01.10 | Cide | aye, that's stupid |
| 21:01.43 | Cide | but I disagree with the blanket statement of "variable names" |
| 21:01.58 | Cide | because getglobal and setglobal and the _G equivalents have perfectly valid use cases outside of that |
| 21:02.03 | Cide | especially the get versions |
| 21:02.37 | krka | sure, for specific stuff. I am talking about the stupid generic usage, by people who don't know what tables are |
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| 21:11.25 | Kirov | _G is dead! All hail _G! |
| 21:11.43 | NightHawkTheSane | is it possible to programatically toggle your pvp flag? |
| 21:11.51 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - yesish |
| 21:11.59 | NightHawkTheSane | "ish"? |
| 21:12.05 | Kirov | You can turn it on. |
| 21:12.13 | Kirov | And, if you haven't actually engaged in combat, turn it off |
| 21:12.18 | Shirik | wtf is "approximately greater than?" |
| 21:12.21 | Kirov | on PvE servers |
| 21:12.24 | Shirik | in a mathematical formula |
| 21:12.30 | Shirik | how can it be "approximately greater than"? |
| 21:12.59 | Kirov | Shirik - yay for mathematical fudging? |
| 21:13.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: let me be more direct. i want to write a mod that, when i leave an instance, checks if i'm flagged, and toggles pvp off. :P |
| 21:13.14 | Shirik | I really should stop reading about quantnum mechanics |
| 21:13.15 | Duman | maybe they meant greater than approximately (#) |
| 21:13.33 | Duman | oh quantum stuff |
| 21:13.34 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - no |
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| 21:13.42 | Duman | heh |
| 21:13.49 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - unless you're on a pve server, then "maybe" |
| 21:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i am, obviously. :P |
| 21:13.57 | Kirov | Though you'd have to do it in the instance. |
| 21:14.07 | NightHawkTheSane | why would i have to do it in the instance? |
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| 21:14.35 | Kirov | Because if it's on, by the time you load from leaving the instance, if you had your flag on and someone hit you, you'd be unable to turn it off. |
| 21:14.56 | Duman | there is a 5min delay after you turn off pvp |
| 21:15.03 | Duman | which resetswhen you zone, anyway |
| 21:15.07 | yup | Hey, dumb question prolly, but can you just download the co-ordinates addon for the normal map thingy? And which is it... or is it the World Map addon.. thanks :D |
| 21:15.17 | NightHawkTheSane | let's assume that i only ever leave instances by porting to a city. :P |
| 21:15.54 | NightHawkTheSane | thing is, the guild i'm in raids flagged, and i have a bad habit of forgetting to unflag after raids, which is a pain when i go to do dailies >.> |
| 21:16.55 | yup | ._. |
| 21:17.55 | Kirov | yup - there are a lot, a _LOT_ of addons that just show coordinates |
| 21:18.34 | Kirov | some show them on the minimap, some show then floating on your screen, some show them on the main map, some require a slash command to see |
| 21:18.34 | Kirov | etc |
| 21:18.43 | yup | which _ONE_ is best? |
| 21:18.44 | Duman | nighthawk |
| 21:18.44 | Kirov | just search an addon site for coords |
| 21:18.46 | yup | kthx |
| 21:18.47 | Shirik | !!!! |
| 21:18.49 | Kirov | yup - none |
| 21:18.52 | Duman | you should be able to us GetPVPTimer() |
| 21:18.53 | Shirik | I figured out why Quantnum theory is so confusing |
| 21:18.58 | Shirik | they're using global variables! |
| 21:19.02 | Kirov | yup - they all have the same information, so it depends on how you want it displayed |
| 21:19.11 | Shirik | "While it is possible to assume that quantum mechanical predictions are due to nonlocal hidden variables, "... |
| 21:19.18 | Shirik | from wikipedia |
| 21:19.21 | Duman | in combination with UnitIsPVP("player") |
| 21:19.26 | Shirik | if they didn't use _G so much, we wouldn't have a problem |
| 21:19.32 | yup | couldnt you just tell me the name of one on here D: |
| 21:19.42 | Kirov | yup - nope |
| 21:19.51 | yup | Kirov - why |
| 21:19.57 | Kirov | http://www.curse.com/ |
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| 21:19.58 | Kirov | enjoy |
| 21:20.07 | Duman | check UnitIsPVP("player")... if true, check GetPVPTimer()... if "300" then issue a TogglePVP; |
| 21:20.25 | Duman | err, not 300... 300000 |
| 21:21.05 | Duman | just read this: |
| 21:21.06 | Duman | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetPVPTimer |
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| 21:21.13 | yup | byeee hope your marriage fails xxx |
| 21:21.23 | Duman | o.O |
| 21:21.59 | Cide | hahaha |
| 21:22.09 | Kirov | if GetPVPDesired() then TogglePVP() end |
| 21:22.21 | Duman | or that, sure ;) |
| 21:22.25 | Snago | rofl at yup :D |
| 21:22.30 | Kirov | I hate the "which one is best" |
| 21:22.35 | Cide | me too |
| 21:22.53 | raylu | could someone tell me what allows you to arrange your UI into rectangles at the bottom like this? http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/Excise/1.jpg |
| 21:22.57 | Kirov | Especially for something as simple as map coords |
| 21:23.11 | Duman | raylu: just about any barmod addon |
| 21:23.46 | raylu | barmod? as in bongos/bartender/etc.? |
| 21:24.01 | Kirov | cogbonginitytender bars? |
| 21:24.32 | raylu | huh? |
| 21:24.36 | Kirov | cog's bar, bongos, trinity bar, bartender |
| 21:24.51 | Cide | you knw |
| 21:24.53 | Cide | you know |
| 21:24.57 | Cide | that screenshot is pretty old |
| 21:25.03 | raylu | yes, i know |
| 21:25.32 | raylu | bongos and bartender only deal with bars/buttons, though. i wanted something to arrange my chat frame and minimap too |
| 21:26.02 | Kirov | cog's - most powerful, hardest to use (no config apart from slash commands) |
| 21:26.02 | Kirov | trinity - powerful, complex but full featured setup |
| 21:26.03 | Kirov | bongos - powerful, easier to setup, less config options |
| 21:26.03 | Kirov | bartender - least powerful, least options to setup |
| 21:26.18 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 21:26.19 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 21:26.26 | sag_ich_nicht | flexbar2 is the most powerful and hardest to use. |
| 21:26.34 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone who disagrees is a fool. |
| 21:26.43 | Duman | hehe |
| 21:26.47 | Kirov | sag_ich_nicht - I didn't mention that one though |
| 21:26.48 | raylu | actually... |
| 21:26.51 | Duman | I still miss DAB |
| 21:26.53 | Kirov | intentionally |
| 21:27.00 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 21:27.00 | Duman | well, DUF moreso |
| 21:27.04 | Cide | CT_BarMod - SUPERIOR TO ALL |
| 21:27.05 | Tuller | I disagree! :) |
| 21:27.06 | cogwheel | cogsbar hasn't really had any love for ages... in all honesty, i think trinity's more powerfull |
| 21:27.11 | Kirov | Cide - shush you |
| 21:27.14 | cogwheel | however |
| 21:27.15 | Cide | shut up foo! |
| 21:27.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Cide |
| 21:27.17 | purl | hereby declares Cide a troll |
| 21:27.19 | raylu | i coulnd't figure out how to make flexbar change my bars when i changed forms (druid) or stealthed |
| 21:27.22 | Duman | TROLL |
| 21:27.23 | cogwheel | that all completely misses raylu's point |
| 21:27.27 | sag_ich_nicht | ~botsnack |
| 21:27.27 | purl | thanks, sag_ich_nicht |
| 21:27.30 | Syzgyn | Oh man, new changes to the arena system just got announced |
| 21:27.36 | Duman | uh oh |
| 21:27.37 | Cide | hours old! |
| 21:27.45 | cogwheel | raylu: you're looking for something like eepanels / whateverpanelsoftheweek |
| 21:27.50 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973993258&sid=1 |
| 21:27.54 | Syzgyn | ok fine, I just found out about them |
| 21:27.59 | Duman | 9am :P |
| 21:28.00 | Duman | haha |
| 21:28.05 | Kirov | raylu - you'll need to use eePanels for the panels and simpleMinimap / speenix / chinchilla / etc. for the minimap |
| 21:28.11 | cogwheel | of course, your chat window already has its own background you can use |
| 21:28.21 | cogwheel | if you didn't know that then lern2defaultui :P |
| 21:28.28 | raylu | thanks; someone else mentioned eepanels too |
| 21:28.29 | Cide | lern2play |
| 21:30.48 | Tuller | trinity is pretty much the most powerful |
| 21:31.11 | Kirov | but using trinity is harder than writing the damn bars for yourself. |
| 21:31.38 | Kirov | same and more so with flex |
| 21:32.22 | Kirov | I kind of feel like trinity went from being the "wow, you can do a lot" to "holy damn, where's the one option in the million" |
| 21:34.28 | Kirov | I use bartender, mainy because I don't play any classes that have forms, and because all i want is a list of actions in a block on my screen. |
| 21:34.56 | zenzelezz | I love how the "Boycott Beijing 2008" banner on the Notepad++ website has so infuriated a lot of people |
| 21:35.10 | zenzelezz | "zomg I use different editor now!" oh noes, the author must be heartbroken |
| 21:35.40 | batrick | --> roulette |
| 21:35.41 | batbot | batrick: > function: 0x82581c0 |
| 21:35.43 | batrick | --> roulette() |
| 21:35.44 | batbot | batrick: @ [string " do local s = 0; function roulette(n) if n ..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'random' (interval is empty) |
| 21:35.45 | Tuller | pants |
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| 21:35.58 | batrick | shirik is bad |
| 21:36.02 | batrick | i bet he made that |
| 21:36.16 | batrick | !quote shirik idiot |
| 21:36.16 | batbot | batrick, shirik has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 21:36.24 | batrick | !quote shirik batbot |
| 21:36.25 | batbot | batrick, shirik said: "doesn't batbot have any memory? ><". |
| 21:36.30 | batrick | fgT obviously! |
| 21:36.47 | batrick | ~calm batbot |
| 21:36.48 | purl | ACTION sooths batbot, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm batbot down. |
| 21:42.50 | [Liquidor] | Lol guys checkout this vid :P a guy was trapped in an elevator for 41 hours rofl http://front.xstream.dk/eb/customers/eb/mediamaker_player.php?id=13594 |
| 21:43.46 | zenzelezz | I fail to see the funny thing about being trapped like that |
| 21:46.51 | zenzelezz | "How can an idiot who can not tell the difference between Olympic and politics write good software?" o_O |
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| 22:07.20 | teenee | would I be correct in guessing that functions in my lua files are global? |
| 22:07.37 | kergoth | if you dont declare a variable as local, it's global. |
| 22:07.44 | kergoth | read the lua reference manual and PIL |
| 22:09.44 | teenee | PIL? functions are first class in lua? can you declare it as local? (prefixing "local" dont seem to do much). |
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| 22:10.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pil |
| 22:10.21 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:10.23 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 22:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | teenee: "local function foo() [...] end" is perfectly valid, and makes foo local to the lua file. |
| 22:12.13 | teenee | so in the context of wow addons (I have an XML file, setting up a few events, and redirecting them), only the event handler needs to be global right? |
| 22:12.17 | wereHamster | teenee: read the pil anyway... even if NightHawkTheSane answered your question... |
| 22:12.47 | teenee | im not reading a whole book to get an answer that can be given in a sentence :P |
| 22:13.18 | zenzelezz | if you're not doing your part, we're not doing our |
| 22:13.19 | zenzelezz | +s |
| 22:14.09 | teenee | so reading a book is a pre-requisite for coming and asking questions here? |
| 22:14.26 | teenee | it was a simple question :) |
| 22:14.33 | teenee | all it took was a simple answer. |
| 22:14.34 | wereHamster | yes, pretty much |
| 22:15.02 | wereHamster | especially if you are going to ask basic questions that are answered in PIL |
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| 22:15.18 | zenzelezz | usually you can get lucky and get an answer; but this channel is about WoW coding, not about learning lua. As such it's expected that you do some research |
| 22:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | teenee: yes, exploring all available material should ALWAYS be a pre-requisite before asking a question. |
| 22:15.39 | NightHawkTheSane | here, or anywhere else. |
| 22:16.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you're lucky i was in a fairly good mood, and answered your question, instead of giving you a snarky reply, coupled with some insulting innuendo about your mother. :) |
| 22:17.52 | teenee | but whether functions are global to lua files or not, would surely depend on the implementation no? in this case wow? its basicly an host questions? |
| 22:20.07 | wereHamster | wow uses lua like it comes from lua.org, they didn't change anything on the implementation other then just a few configuration variables |
| 22:20.24 | batrick | that's not really true |
| 22:20.37 | teenee | so there is a reference implementation of lua? |
| 22:20.58 | Xinhuan | umm, for the most part, 99% of everything in PIL is accurate for wow's Lua |
| 22:21.17 | foxlit | (and 87.5% of all percentages are made up on the spot) |
| 22:21.24 | batrick | including that one |
| 22:21.25 | Xinhuan | pfft |
| 22:21.26 | batrick | =) |
| 22:21.48 | Xinhuan | only a few things are different, such as the absence of some libraries like os[] and debug[] |
| 22:22.04 | batrick | the presence of tainting is a huge change to Lua |
| 22:22.16 | Kirov | and the this keywrod |
| 22:22.21 | Kirov | keyword |
| 22:22.24 | batrick | no |
| 22:22.26 | Kirov | and pil is 5.0 and not 5.1 |
| 22:22.28 | batrick | this is a global |
| 22:22.44 | Cide | aye, it's technically not a keyword |
| 22:22.53 | Cide | but it's important (or was, anyway) to wow programming nonetheless |
| 22:22.58 | Kirov | batrick - semantics >.< (but true) |
| 22:23.21 | Kirov | 5.0 vs 5.1 is fairly big though |
| 22:23.31 | batrick | we're talking about implementation changes from vanilla Lua to wow Lua so it wasn't appropriate :P |
| 22:23.33 | Cide | the biggest change imo is ... |
| 22:23.53 | Xinhuan | well PIL teaches Lua basics and semantics, which are almost the same in 5.0 and 5.1 |
| 22:23.58 | Xinhuan | so PIL largely still applies |
| 22:24.14 | Xinhuan | the addition of tainting didn't change any of that |
| 22:24.32 | batrick | true, but you said wow didn't change Lua much at all which simply isn't true |
| 22:24.47 | Cide | it is |
| 22:24.55 | Cide | for the average lua coder, it is true |
| 22:25.02 | Xinhuan | that's implementation details, which we don't/shouldn't care about |
| 22:25.11 | Xinhuan | the frontend is unchanged |
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| 22:25.23 | kergoth | hmm, a single BAG_UPDATE can come in for multiple bag changes, right? it doesnt fire for each and every change, if they're rapid? |
| 22:25.57 | Xinhuan | it fires one per update |
| 22:25.57 | batrick | taint is part of the frontend, that's pretty silly |
| 22:25.57 | Kirov | kergoth - rapid |
| 22:25.57 | Xinhuan | or 2, if its within the same bag |
| 22:25.58 | Xinhuan | so its rapid |
| 22:25.58 | kergoth | okay, thanks |
| 22:26.13 | Kirov | kergoth - I do mine via an onupdate, 0.1 second delay from the last bagupdate |
| 22:26.16 | Xinhuan | you should put a throttle to update on next frame |
| 22:26.26 | Xinhuan | with dirty flags per bag |
| 22:27.04 | Xinhuan | depending on whether other addons need your data, you can throttle to 0.1s, rather than "next frame" of course |
| 22:29.05 | Kirov | I delay because a lot of addons do one bag action "every frame" to reduce the hitch when moving things. |
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| 23:21.32 | Kirov | Do spell buffs exist in the spell id list? |
| 23:21.48 | Kirov | Or are they a separate beast |
| 23:22.25 | pastamancer | they're spells |
| 23:22.44 | Kirov | the actual buffs themselves? |
| 23:22.50 | pastamancer | yeah |
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