| 00:00.15 | tre | if i had a dollar for every time i've torn my code half apart to fix something, just to realize i had misnamed a variable... |
| 00:03.06 | MentalPower | ~ugt |
| 00:03.07 | purl | i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:03.33 | Syzgyn | The more you know! |
| 00:04.34 | kergoth | Antiarc: is there a way to change the distance between the bars window and the modules window in omen? |
| 00:05.12 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 00:05.16 | ScytheBlade1 | MR. PINCHY |
| 00:05.21 | Syzgyn | haha, grats |
| 00:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic win |
| 00:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I got the pet too |
| 00:06.09 | tre | not sure if it matters werehamster, but defigning local vars before the if statement means it wouldn't stop existing after the if statement ended right? |
| 00:06.13 | Syzgyn | nice |
| 00:06.15 | tre | cause all i know is it is working |
| 00:08.47 | Xinhuan | ok tuller |
| 00:08.50 | Xinhuan | hdr:SetAttribute("delaystatemap-anchor-enter", "0:1") |
| 00:08.50 | Xinhuan | hdr:SetAttribute("delaytimemap-anchor-enter", "0:5") |
| 00:08.55 | Xinhuan | that worked to delay for 5 seconds |
| 00:09.04 | Xinhuan | it took a while to figure out that |
| 00:09.04 | Xinhuan | --hdr:SetAttribute("delayhovermap-anchor-enter", "0:true") |
| 00:09.13 | Xinhuan | that needs to be commented out |
| 00:09.22 | Xinhuan | or the hover delay would work forever and it'll never appear ;p |
| 00:11.55 | Xinhuan | because the mouse would be over the header all the timer hehe |
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| 00:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/misc/Pinchy.png |
| 00:26.15 | BraveFoot | can anyone explain how to use the new combat log filter API? I'm lost |
| 00:28.43 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT is a good starting point |
| 00:29.35 | BraveFoot | I've read that a couple times, but how do I organize the parameters in the actual code |
| 00:29.55 | JoshBorke | ScytheBlade1: grats. now get the cards and make him HUGE |
| 00:29.56 | Syzgyn | what do you mean? |
| 00:30.21 | dylanm | Which parameters? auraType/spellSchool and all that or the bit flags? |
| 00:30.33 | BraveFoot | im trying to filter for one specific spell, how would I put that into the lua |
| 00:31.27 | dylanm | You check the spellId argument each time. |
| 00:31.39 | BraveFoot | alright, Ill try that |
| 00:32.29 | Syzgyn | if it's a damage spell, check if the event is "SPELL_DAMAGE" and then the 9th parameter will be the spell ID |
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| 00:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke: heh indeed |
| 00:34.57 | JoshBorke | hrmph, sometimes nfs sucks |
| 00:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Sometimes? |
| 00:35.19 | JoshBorke | well, most times, but sometimes more than others |
| 00:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I can accept that |
| 00:36.01 | JoshBorke | i have it tunneling with stunnel, but i show no files |
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| 00:50.59 | Shirik | whoo |
| 00:51.04 | Shirik | 3rd ZA boss down in time |
| 00:51.11 | Shirik | gogo bear mount |
| 00:53.55 | _rane | GOGO |
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| 00:59.56 | tre | hmm, having a little problem here, how do i use sendchatmessage to send a reply? |
| 01:00.07 | MentalPower|AFK | use wisper |
| 01:00.10 | MentalPower|AFK | whisper* |
| 01:00.21 | tre | but how do i get the "channel" then |
| 01:00.30 | tre | or does it automatically reply if no channel is defined |
| 01:00.30 | MentalPower|AFK | thats the channel |
| 01:00.41 | MentalPower|AFK | !api SendChatMessage |
| 01:00.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'SendChatMessage' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 01:00.50 | MentalPower|AFK | MentalPower|AFK: SendChatMessage("msg" [,"chatType" [,"language" [,"channel"]]]); -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage |
| 01:01.32 | MentalPower|AFK | chattype is "WHISPER", channel is the name of the person |
| 01:01.56 | MentalPower|AFK | I'm out |
| 01:02.00 | MentalPower|AFK | later all |
| 01:02.04 | Cairenn | bye MentalPower|AFK |
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| 01:05.37 | Kaso | you can use ChatEdit_GetLastTellTarget() to get the name of the last person who whispered you if you dont have that infomation within your addon. |
| 01:05.59 | tre | ah thank you kaso |
| 01:06.07 | tre | that was what i was having trouble figuring out |
| 01:06.51 | Kaso | but if i think you're using it the way you are using it, its possible someone else whispered you between you sending out the who request and the who request coming back |
| 01:07.25 | Kaso | *the way i think you are using it |
| 01:10.26 | Kaso | also, if im remebering your pastey right, with sending who messages you need to know that there is a limit of about 6seconds (i think i cant remeber now) between when you can send who requests |
| 01:12.03 | Shirik | there is no good reason to use ChatEdit_GetLastTellTarget() from my understanding of his problem |
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| 01:12.29 | Shirik | The information he needs should be in the args for the CHAT_MSG_WHISPER event |
| 01:16.13 | Kaso | prob correct |
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| 01:25.10 | Kaso | Todays xkcd is bizzare |
| 01:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | But AWESOME |
| 01:25.34 | Kaso | i think the alt text says it all |
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| 01:37.17 | Guillotine | my schedule is so f*d up right now. I slept in until 4:30 o.O |
| 01:40.41 | Guillotine | Somebody give me an idea for an AddOn to write. Preferably something not involving too much GUI (I don't feel like doing much with frames atm) |
| 01:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: MoveAnything in Ace3 |
| 01:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | gogo |
| 01:42.04 | Guillotine | Why Ace3? Doesn't need libraries imo |
| 01:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Because one day, the Ace people will kill me ;D |
| 01:42.30 | Guillotine | I got it |
| 01:42.37 | Guillotine | I'll rewrite Rock using Ace2 |
| 01:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:42.45 | End | lol |
| 01:42.46 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 01:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go! |
| 01:42.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you're thinking! |
| 01:43.37 | Syzgyn | Make a fubar plugin that gives you a % of your earned xp vs total xp needed from 1-70 |
| 01:44.09 | Mikk | Guillotine: Fail. Rock is already Ace2. |
| 01:44.51 | Guillotine | Actually, if theres a real formula for xp/level, that would be a neat idea Syzgyn |
| 01:44.57 | Guillotine | otherwise I'd just have to make a table which would suck |
| 01:45.25 | Syzgyn | sort of |
| 01:45.30 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:XP_To_Level |
| 01:45.55 | Syzgyn | I was gonna write it eventually, but feel free to save me the trouble :P |
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| 01:47.08 | Syzgyn | I was gonna just have a table of totals needed for everything up to that level, so it'd only need one call |
| 01:47.21 | Mikk | Just copy the level table. Less hassle than reimplementing the formulas :P |
| 01:47.43 | Syzgyn | exactly |
| 01:49.20 | ckknight | cladhaire: ping |
| 01:51.22 | Mikk | Guillotine: http://wow.pastey.net/86007 <- your table |
| 01:51.53 | ckknight | Mikk: Rock isn't Ace2... |
| 01:52.02 | Guillotine | well, it should be |
| 01:52.23 | Guillotine | and to make it more efficient, somebody should re-write Ace2 using Ace3 |
| 01:52.41 | Mikk | Sea tbh |
| 01:53.02 | Mikk | And replace AceGUI with Configator. For great justice! |
| 01:53.28 | Mikk | (ye gods my humor dips when i get tired...) |
| 01:54.07 | ckknight | ~seen cladhaire |
| 01:54.09 | purl | cladhaire is currently on #wowuidev (2d 5h 58m 3s) #wowace (2d 5h 58m 3s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 13h 20m 11s, last said: 'heh'. |
| 01:54.18 | ckknight | 13 hours? bah |
| 01:58.31 | widger|work | ~seen clad|office |
| 01:58.32 | purl | clad|office is currently on #wowuidev (7d 15h 57m 7s) #wowace (7d 15h 57m 7s). Has said a total of 167 messages. Is idling for 3d 1h 13m 32s, last said: 'lol'. |
| 01:58.39 | widger|work | O_o |
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| 01:58.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like he died in his office to me |
| 01:59.51 | Guillotine | Oh god, somebody help me. I accidentally went to the off-topic forums. "So My Granpa And I Are Tryin To Have A Baby" "So My Nephew And I Are Trying To Have A Baby" "So My Son And I Are Trying To Have A Baby" |
| 02:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: bad move! |
| 02:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Offtopic is like a subscription 4chan. |
| 02:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Just when you thought 4chan couldn't get worse, people paid money to post there. And it got worse. |
| 02:02.12 | Syzgyn | Guillotine: Not quite... add the values from each level to each one above it |
| 02:02.26 | Guillotine | Syzgyn: I know |
| 02:02.34 | ckknight | I need cladhaire to change his GetCurrentCursorPosition() in TomTom to something much saner |
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| 02:02.38 | Syzgyn | ok :) |
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| 02:04.37 | Kaso | ckknight in what context is it used insanely? |
| 02:05.07 | ckknight | for context, he borrowed the code from CT_MapMod ;-) |
| 02:05.17 | ckknight | basically, he checks the center of WorldMapFrame instead of WorldMapButton |
| 02:05.21 | ckknight | so he has to do a coordinate shift |
| 02:05.33 | Kaso | heh |
| 02:05.39 | ckknight | it's far easier and doesn't require scaling or coord hacks if you just check WorldMapButton |
| 02:06.10 | ckknight | I'm getting Cart3 to support TomTom now |
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| 02:15.48 | Kirov | ckknight - what's the url? |
| 02:16.10 | ckknight | want a tarball or a git address? |
| 02:16.28 | Apoco | everytime I close my options menu via LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):Close(addon) I get AceConfigDialog-3.0.lua line 710: attempt to index field 'rootframe' (a nil value) |
| 02:16.33 | Apoco | anyone have any ideas? >< |
| 02:16.36 | Kirov | not sure ... |
| 02:16.41 | ckknight | tarball it is |
| 02:16.57 | ckknight | Kirov: http://gitorious.org/projects/cartographer3/repos/mainline/archive/654e4583dff27f0f95334f999ea75373a0d9dc67.tar.gz |
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| 03:07.56 | Shirik|AFK | so fun to link: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5 |
| 03:08.55 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 03:21.35 | Shirik|AFK | does anyone know the IA32 software interrupt code to trigger a debug break off the top of their head? |
| 03:22.29 | kd3 | lol: http://gizmodo.com/381338/how-to-solve-the-rubik-cube-in-six+seconds-flat |
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| 03:33.39 | batrick | good evening |
| 03:33.43 | batrick | so quiet |
| 03:33.51 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 03:33.56 | batrick | how's it coming? |
| 03:34.06 | batrick | i've been busy last week and haven't had time to look at it |
| 03:34.10 | Corrodias | i love Five for Fighting |
| 03:34.43 | Shirik|AFK | batrick: I want to blow my brains out |
| 03:34.49 | Shirik | is that ok? |
| 03:35.58 | batrick | y is that |
| 03:36.08 | batrick | and no that's not ok |
| 03:36.20 | batrick | i don't do windows, if u give up on life I'll never get to release it =) |
| 03:36.22 | Shirik | LAWL NT_STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION |
| 03:36.30 | batrick | wut is that |
| 03:36.33 | Shirik | LAWL NT_STATUS_INVALID_HANDLE |
| 03:36.46 | batrick | sounds like u got owned by winblows |
| 03:36.58 | Corrodias | sounds like a corrupted OS |
| 03:37.04 | Shirik | it's a segfault because I'm failing to initialize a mutex |
| 03:37.06 | batrick | bbl |
| 03:37.06 | Corrodias | or at least a file or two |
| 03:37.08 | Shirik | and I don't see why |
| 03:37.29 | Shirik | wtf batrick |
| 03:37.36 | Shirik | you're all like "yeah I've been gone forever. bbl" |
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| 04:06.49 | Kirov | Anyone have any combat logs of fights with a hunter using tranq shot? |
| 04:07.39 | sylvanaar | i have some from 2005 |
| 04:07.56 | Kirov | lol |
| 04:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: you just got CALLED OUT ;D |
| 04:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973989962&sid=1 |
| 04:19.00 | Guillotine | he is mistaken in what I was saying |
| 04:19.05 | Guillotine | it passes the frame |
| 04:19.08 | Guillotine | not MyAddon |
| 04:19.08 | ckknight | hehe, he's so wrong |
| 04:20.57 | Guillotine | err, wait |
| 04:21.06 | Guillotine | hes basing his AddOn's table on a frame? |
| 04:21.09 | Guillotine | now I'm confused |
| 04:21.26 | Shirik | uptime: 3w 2d 21h 20m 53s |
| 04:21.32 | Shirik | and thus ends my new record |
| 04:23.34 | sylvanaar | i should send him some xanax |
| 04:23.45 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 04:23.58 | kd3 | a bike going 164mph on I-5 in oregon |
| 04:42.11 | Guillotine | MP: Thanks for supporting me in that thread <3 |
| 04:42.21 | MentalPower | Guillotine: np :) |
| 04:43.02 | Guillotine | This is a wierd question, but there is no way to turn an object (read: frame) into a metatable, is there? |
| 04:43.30 | MentalPower | a frame is a table |
| 04:43.34 | MentalPower | a straight table |
| 04:43.39 | Guillotine | right |
| 04:43.50 | Guillotine | But can a frame be a metatable? |
| 04:43.53 | MentalPower | sure |
| 04:43.58 | MentalPower | its a table like any other |
| 04:44.41 | MentalPower | with two exceptions 1) it has a metatable already 2) index 0 userdata |
| 04:45.04 | Guillotine | 1) is the problem |
| 04:45.23 | Guillotine | hmm, I suppose I could make a mirror for the object and use that to modify the object |
| 04:46.09 | ckknight | metatables can have metatables |
| 04:46.10 | MentalPower | why is that a problem? |
| 04:46.11 | ckknight | no issue there. |
| 04:46.16 | MentalPower | what ckknight saif |
| 04:46.18 | MentalPower | said* |
| 04:47.08 | Guillotine | Hmm, perhaps I'm not completely explaining this. Hold on, going to read up a bit more on setmetatable |
| 04:47.11 | Iriel | Do you mean metatable, or metatable.__index |
| 04:49.41 | Guillotine | nm, I see how to do it |
| 04:51.01 | Guillotine | I would feel so dirty making this library though. While it would make AddOn programming SO much easier for the average person, a VB in WoW would just be evil |
| 04:52.21 | kd3 | gack |
| 04:53.30 | Guillotine | I mean, it WOULD be kind of cool to just say Fontstring.text = "Hi!"; TheText = Fontstring.text |
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| 04:57.01 | ckknight | hrm |
| 04:57.50 | ckknight | well, you could do it either by messing with a frame's metatable, which I don't recommend, as there can be issues with that, or by making a proxy, which is the path I'd take |
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| 04:58.17 | Guillotine | Yup, the proxy was my 'mirror' idea |
| 04:58.49 | Guillotine | Actually, that should be relatively easy |
| 04:59.20 | Guillotine | good, all the nubs left |
| 04:59.56 | ckknight | local f = CreateFrame("Frame"); local p = newproxy(true); getmetatable(p).__index = function(self, key) if key == 'Text' then return f:GetText() else return f[key] end end; getmetatable(p).__newindex = function(self, key, value) if key == 'Text' then return f:SetText(value) else return f[key] end end; p.Text = "Hey" |
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| 05:00.37 | ckknight | of course, I'd make it so you have a dictionary of proxy->frame, then instead of referencing f, you'd reference proxy2frame[self] |
| 05:00.55 | ckknight | and once you've created the base proxy, you can do newproxy(p) to get the same metatable |
| 05:01.19 | Guillotine | yup |
| 05:02.00 | ckknight | granted, I don't really see the point in all that, what's wrong with :GetText() and :SetText(v)? |
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| 05:02.19 | Guillotine | Nothing really |
| 05:02.33 | Guillotine | But for people that are new to programming, the other method seems to be easier |
| 05:02.38 | Guillotine | Less to remember |
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| 05:03.25 | ckknight | I'd prefer real C#-style properties, but using methods is good enough |
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| 05:03.58 | Guillotine | also, using metatables we could easily make it case-insensitive |
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| 05:12.44 | Arrowmaster | wtf are you guys doing with frames and proxies now? |
| 05:12.52 | Syzgyn | This is amazing... A video reenactment of US military conflicts from WWII to the present portraied by food: |
| 05:12.52 | Syzgyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-yldqNkGfo |
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| 05:14.41 | cncfanatics | hello ll |
| 05:14.46 | cncfanatics | s/ll/all/ |
| 05:14.53 | cncfanatics | ... |
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| 05:15.14 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:15.41 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: why would you use newproxy() to do all that when you can just use a table and have other stuff still interact with it somewhat normally? |
| 05:15.52 | ckknight | proxies are cheaper |
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| 05:17.31 | Arrowmaster | youve seen my little experiment with proxy frames right? http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/CombatLogTimestamper/CombatLogTimestamper.lua |
| 05:19.10 | cncfanatics | what exactly are proxies in lua ? |
| 05:19.26 | Arrowmaster | newproxy()? its a blank userdata |
| 05:19.27 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: cool, how'd it go? |
| 05:19.49 | cncfanatics | why would you want blank userdata over a simple table ? |
| 05:20.21 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: works great except that it taints, waiting for a future patch to make it so i can directly replace COMBATLOG instead of messing with ChatFrame2 |
| 05:20.30 | ckknight | cool |
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| 05:21.28 | Arrowmaster | all the standard frame fuctions dont seem to care what table you pass in as self as long as it has a [0] of a real frame |
| 05:21.48 | Shirik|AFK | wow ok |
| 05:21.53 | Arrowmaster | can even use it everywhere else that frames are used like SetPoint |
| 05:21.56 | Shirik | Vista is a PITA when you're trying to install unsigned drivers |
| 05:22.04 | Shirik | that took forever |
| 05:22.50 | cncfanatics | vista is a PITA for so much things :( |
| 05:23.03 | Arrowmaster | ive been meaning to play around and see what happened if i tried to use a [0] = newproxy() |
| 05:23.12 | Iriel | We dont HAVE newproxy |
| 05:23.34 | Arrowmaster | in wow? |
| 05:23.37 | Iriel | Yeah |
| 05:23.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah we do |
| 05:23.39 | Guillotine | Its certainly there |
| 05:23.48 | Iriel | really? |
| 05:23.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:23.51 | Iriel | How come i've never noticed it? |
| 05:23.54 | Guillotine | Well, there is a function at that address |
| 05:24.09 | Arrowmaster | and the function returns userdata |
| 05:24.15 | Iriel | crazy |
| 05:24.20 | Iriel | Well, learn something new every day |
| 05:24.29 | Guillotine | yup, returns userdata |
| 05:25.41 | ckknight | Iriel: I've been using it for quite a few patches |
| 05:25.43 | ckknight | :-P |
| 05:26.00 | Iriel | It's there in my list from AGES ago, I just didn't register 8-) |
| 05:26.14 | Iriel | i just looked |
| 05:26.15 | cncfanatics | could someone explain me what blank userdata could be used for ? :p |
| 05:26.59 | Iriel | you can give it a metatable |
| 05:28.04 | Adys | Argh, what was her name, the blizz forum poster with the Spirit Healer avatar? |
| 05:28.27 | Guillotine | Coriel or something |
| 05:28.36 | Adys | ah yea |
| 05:28.44 | Adys | Coreiel |
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| 05:29.32 | cncfanatics | you can also give a regular table a metatable can't you Iriel ? |
| 05:29.41 | Iriel | yes |
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| 05:30.19 | Iriel | but a table is bigger |
| 05:30.33 | cncfanatics | so , they're just small tables that can't be GC'd ? |
| 05:30.47 | Arrowmaster | they can be GC'd i thought |
| 05:31.15 | cncfanatics | frames are userdata, and they can't be GC'd, so I'm suposing userdata can't be either |
| 05:31.25 | Arrowmaster | frames are different |
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| 05:31.40 | ckknight | userdata can be gc'd just fine |
| 05:31.53 | ckknight | frames are referenced in C and you can't get rid of em, that's all |
| 05:32.08 | cncfanatics | I see |
| 05:32.13 | Arrowmaster | i dont even think wow stores anything in the userdata, just uses it as a reference to a frame |
| 05:32.19 | cncfanatics | so why would you ever want to use regular tables over userdata then ? |
| 05:32.26 | ckknight | also, you can't assign anything to a proxy except a metatable |
| 05:32.31 | cncfanatics | ah |
| 05:33.32 | cncfanatics | whats the memory gain compared to a table ? |
| 05:34.02 | ckknight | 24 bytes vs. 32 bytes |
| 05:34.40 | Arrowmaster | if you had table1 and a userdata that both had metatables with __index=table2 and __newindex=table2, the table1 and the userdata would be used almost exactly the same except you can use rawset on table1 and not on the userdata |
| 05:36.30 | Arrowmaster | but for wow i would probably stick with just a table, some stuff will probably hate you for trying to pass a userdata that your using as a proxy since type() wont return "table" |
| 05:37.08 | cncfanatics | bothering that much to spare 8 bytes of memory seems a bit weird to me |
| 05:37.31 | Arrowmaster | lua is used in embeded systems too with very small amounts of memory |
| 05:37.47 | Iriel | the immutable nature is kinda useful too |
| 05:39.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah like the proxy example i gave, somebody else could come along and use rawset on the table and change around your proxy on you but they cant do that with a userdata |
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| 05:39.53 | cncfanatics | they could change the metatable ? |
| 05:40.01 | Arrowmaster | not if you set __metatable |
| 05:40.41 | Apoco | ~_~ |
| 05:40.41 | purl | :/ |
| 05:40.49 | Apoco | diaf purl |
| 05:42.52 | Arrowmaster | you could do something like create a 'frame' by using a userdata proxy to an unnamed frame so that theres no reference to the frame for anybody to access directly |
| 05:43.00 | cncfanatics | bleh, damn shitstates |
| 05:43.13 | cncfanatics | I'm wondering whether to do remaps on shift, alt & ctrl, anyone suggestions ? |
| 05:44.14 | Arrowmaster | hmm i wonder if you could create a frame take the userdata from [0] then nil out he table and for it to get gc'd, then what would GetFocus() return? |
| 05:44.34 | Iriel | You cant get it GC'ed |
| 05:44.34 | Arrowmaster | s/for/force/ |
| 05:44.37 | Iriel | the game has a reference |
| 05:44.43 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: enumerateframes()? |
| 05:44.43 | Arrowmaster | to the table? |
| 05:45.07 | Arrowmaster | or the userdata? |
| 05:45.12 | Iriel | probably the table, at worst the userdata, and could reconstitute the table |
| 05:45.23 | Shirik | what does EnumerateFrames() return? Devtools is saying something very odd |
| 05:45.41 | ckknight | Shirik: the first frame, then EnumerateFrames(f) gives the second |
| 05:45.47 | Shirik | hm |
| 05:45.58 | Shirik | oh I get it |
| 05:45.59 | Arrowmaster | because like i said earlyer the frame api doesnt care what table you pass it, it only seems to care about the [0] userdata in the table |
| 05:46.01 | Shirik | there's a frame named ScriptErrors |
| 05:46.04 | Shirik | now it makes sense :P |
| 05:46.45 | Guillotine | WTB pointers |
| 05:47.01 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: but what if you do :GetParent() on one of its children? |
| 05:47.05 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:47.07 | ckknight | for example |
| 05:47.12 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.08 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: that little example code i have on the svn where i completely replace a frames table with a new table, that new table gets passed to SetPoint and stuff |
| 05:48.22 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:48.34 | ckknight | but does :GetPoint() end up returning the same table? |
| 05:48.36 | ckknight | that's the question |
| 05:48.59 | ckknight | also, wouldn't EnumerateFrames return the original table? |
| 05:49.05 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 05:50.05 | Arrowmaster | although what if you did t1,t2=CreateFrame("Frame"),CreateFrame("Frame") t2[0]=t1[0] |
| 05:50.38 | Arrowmaster | we should inform Tem of some of this, probably a potential client crash somewhere |
| 05:53.07 | batrick | damn it |
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| 05:57.45 | batrick | http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/70178d1208549114-funny-strange-random-pics-wowgoatsede4.jpg |
| 05:58.14 | MentalPower | seen it |
| 05:58.24 | Iriel | my guess is that once a userdata is 'bound' to a table, it stays referenced |
| 05:58.43 | Iriel | otherwise EnumerateFrames and GetChildren etc would be massive garbage creators |
| 05:58.44 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 05:58.58 | Arrowmaster | thats deffently something vulture would do |
| 05:59.07 | batrick | 12:16:28 < lhf> if a=="hello" is just as fast as if a==23 |
| 05:59.07 | batrick | 12:17:38 < Polarina> lhf: Depends on the architecture, the number comparison might actually be slower than the string comparison. |
| 05:59.35 | MentalPower | er... |
| 05:59.38 | MentalPower | wow... |
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| 06:01.22 | ckknight | actually, the string check might be faster, since it's just a pointer check, which is 4 bytes. the double check is 8 bytes ;-) |
| 06:01.59 | Guillotine | I just came up with the greatest idea to bug stuff |
| 06:02.13 | batrick | it really depends on the architecture, but ya |
| 06:02.22 | batrick | with out of order processing they are probably the same |
| 06:02.37 | MentalPower | whats the current build number? |
| 06:02.53 | Gngsk | 8125 |
| 06:03.02 | MentalPower | hmm... thanks |
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| 06:09.34 | MentalPower | Guillotine: he replied |
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| 06:12.15 | Guillotine | either way hes wrong |
| 06:12.22 | Guillotine | the two are not the same |
| 06:12.46 | Guillotine | the top will pass MyAddon as both of the first 2 arguments, the second only as the first argument |
| 06:14.33 | Guillotine | What do you think would happened if we used up all of the possible userdata references (it appears to be 16^9-1)? |
| 06:14.41 | Guillotine | Obviously it would take quite a while, but |
| 06:15.00 | MentalPower | lua> 16^9-1 |
| 06:15.00 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 68719476735 |
| 06:15.26 | Guillotine | You can create around 10000000 a second |
| 06:15.29 | Guillotine | so |
| 06:15.38 | Arrowmaster | rofl are you trying to create a ton of userdata with newproxy() then see what happens when you use CreateFrame()? |
| 06:15.42 | Guillotine | lua> (16^9-1)/10000000 |
| 06:15.42 | lua_bot | Guillotine: 6871.9476735 |
| 06:15.50 | Guillotine | yes |
| 06:15.54 | Guillotine | I want to see what happens |
| 06:15.55 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 06:16.13 | Kirov | ~5 days |
| 06:16.22 | Guillotine | lua> ((16^9-1)/10000000)/60 |
| 06:16.22 | lua_bot | Guillotine: 114.532461225 |
| 06:16.22 | MentalPower | good luck Guillotine :) |
| 06:16.28 | Guillotine | no |
| 06:16.31 | Guillotine | more like 2 hours |
| 06:16.39 | cncfanatics | 6871 seconds |
| 06:16.40 | Arrowmaster | youll probably hit the table size limit first trying to store them all to keep them from getting gc'd |
| 06:16.41 | MentalPower | still past the AFK timer |
| 06:16.47 | cncfanatics | lua> 6871/60 |
| 06:16.47 | lua_bot | cncfanatics: 114.51666666667 |
| 06:16.50 | cncfanatics | 114 minutes |
| 06:17.14 | MentalPower | why *is* newproxy() available to us? |
| 06:17.26 | Guillotine | I'm sure we could stop it from being GCd |
| 06:17.28 | Guillotine | somehow |
| 06:17.28 | Arrowmaster | because they didnt take it out? |
| 06:17.39 | Kirov | Assuming you can keep up that 10000000 per second the entire time |
| 06:17.40 | cncfanatics | MentalPower: why not ? |
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| 06:17.53 | Arrowmaster | well you could just disable gc completely |
| 06:17.55 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: tables have no (practical) limit |
| 06:18.00 | Iriel | Well, it's not harmful |
| 06:18.18 | Iriel | so no reason to deny it to us |
| 06:18.49 | Arrowmaster | not harmful yet =D |
| 06:19.24 | Arrowmaster | i have some ideas for causing havoc with the frames system |
| 06:19.40 | Guillotine | Anybody want to place bets on what happens? Hard crash? Move to 9 base 16 chars? Soft error? |
| 06:19.52 | Iriel | I cant imagine how you could do anything we can't alreday do with out it |
| 06:19.54 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: you could create the exact same havoc with createframe ? |
| 06:20.05 | Arrowmaster | possibly |
| 06:20.17 | Guillotine | the only difference is newproxy is smaller |
| 06:20.40 | cncfanatics | the day they remove newproxy I'll start worrying about them making CreateFrame secure |
| 06:21.05 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck |
| 06:21.11 | Arrowmaster | i just thought of something |
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| 06:21.36 | Arrowmaster | changing a value in a table only taints that value, not the entire table |
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| 06:22.34 | Arrowmaster | so if the table is still considered secure but the [0] value isnt..... |
| 06:22.45 | cncfanatics | then you'll get very weird taint issues |
| 06:23.40 | Arrowmaster | hmm i wonder how /click works |
| 06:23.56 | Kirov | "Memory Allocation error: block too big" |
| 06:24.21 | Iriel | Kirov that one is, I think, a string too long problem |
| 06:24.51 | MentalPower | anyone here use the EU language packs? |
| 06:24.51 | Kirov | local f = CreateFrame("FRAME") |
| 06:25.10 | Guillotine | Kirov: wait, what did you do? |
| 06:25.13 | Arrowmaster | if you make a macro with /click Frame1 if you could change Frame1[0] to point to other frames and it would work |
| 06:25.20 | Iriel | No, it wont |
| 06:25.23 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 06:25.31 | Iriel | for a start you'll taint it |
| 06:25.36 | Kirov | test = {} |
| 06:25.36 | Kirov | f:SetScript("OnUpdate",function() for i=1, 100000 do test[i] = newproxy() end end) |
| 06:26.02 | Guillotine | hmm, you must have a faster computer than me |
| 06:26.04 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: only Frame1[0] would be tainted though |
| 06:26.30 | Kirov | Guillotine - It's going at about 1 frame per 2 seconds |
| 06:26.52 | Guillotine | And have you gotten an error? |
| 06:27.00 | Kirov | "Memory Allocation error: block too big" |
| 06:27.15 | Guillotine | I think that was from the table itself |
| 06:27.23 | Kirov | aye |
| 06:27.24 | Guillotine | not the max amount of userdata |
| 06:27.25 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: You know /click is written in lua, right? |
| 06:27.28 | Kirov | going to make evil nested tables :) |
| 06:27.48 | Guillotine | probably easier to just turn off GC and just call newproxy() |
| 06:28.01 | Guillotine | don't worry about storing them |
| 06:28.15 | Kirov | how do you turn it off? |
| 06:28.21 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: yeah but i cant remember how it works right now, id have to look it up |
| 06:29.59 | Iriel | It looks up the frame by name in he global table |
| 06:30.04 | Iriel | it checks it is a frame, and checks GetName |
| 06:30.18 | Iriel | it checks its a button |
| 06:30.22 | Iriel | and it caches it |
| 06:30.25 | Iriel | and then it calls :Click |
| 06:30.33 | Iriel | so if you taint [0] you're screwed on the click |
| 06:30.37 | Guillotine | Kirov: hold on, trying to find the function |
| 06:31.08 | MentalPower | collectgarbage("stop") ? |
| 06:31.26 | MentalPower | !api collectgarbage |
| 06:31.26 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'collectgarbage' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-collectgarbage |
| 06:31.40 | Guillotine | yah, that should be it |
| 06:31.42 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: it seems somebody already thought of this then |
| 06:31.54 | Iriel | yeah, me 8-) |
| 06:31.57 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:32.03 | Kirov | test = {} |
| 06:32.03 | Kirov | CreateFrame("FRAME"):SetScript("OnUpdate",function() local t = {} for i=1, 10000 do t[i] = newproxy() end tinsert(test,t) end) |
| 06:32.15 | Kirov | Ran that bad boy about 5 times |
| 06:32.43 | Kirov | now the curious thing is it keeps garbage collecting at around 300 megs, and goes back down to 100 |
| 06:33.28 | ckknight | hrm, it seems as though it'd go on forever |
| 06:33.41 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: do i get a cookie if i can get it to work? |
| 06:33.43 | Kirov | Not really sure how or what it would be gcing |
| 06:34.04 | MentalPower | check #test ? |
| 06:34.19 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Sure, if you can break /click in a way that's a real threat, i'll sort out a cookie |
| 06:34.32 | Kirov | framerate too low to do any real testing, made it up to 400 megs and wasn't magically disappearing |
| 06:34.40 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: does it have to be /click? or can it be something else? |
| 06:34.50 | MentalPower | hmm... we should do that |
| 06:34.58 | MentalPower | find an exploit, get a cookie :P |
| 06:35.07 | Iriel | at this point if you can get the exploit any way, i'll provide a cookie |
| 06:35.25 | Iriel | (within the constraints of the wow scripting system of course) |
| 06:35.29 | Kirov | find an exploit, get free card game epic rocket mount |
| 06:35.30 | MentalPower | provided you don't disclose the exploit until blizz has a chance to fix it :) |
| 06:35.33 | Iriel | (and crashes dont count) |
| 06:35.44 | Antiarc | Someone catch me up on the conversation |
| 06:35.44 | Iriel | And of course, i'll let the pirate know 8-) |
| 06:36.03 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: were having fun with userdata |
| 06:36.13 | Iriel | (Also, it needs to be an unknown exploit, in case 10 people send me the same one) 8-) |
| 06:36.41 | Iriel | In fact, i'd be willing to make it a month of wow, rather than a cookie |
| 06:36.49 | Kirov | hmm... possible scenarios for running out of userdata. Game crashes, game locks up, game drops directly to desktop, game kills all players on the server, game dings player to level 800 |
| 06:37.10 | Kirov | game starts spawning random epic level items around the player |
| 06:37.15 | Arrowmaster | pff month of wow, what do i need that for |
| 06:37.19 | Kirov | game refuses to let the user reload the UI |
| 06:37.24 | Kirov | ^^^^ |
| 06:37.26 | Iriel | well, you have the choice, wow or cookie 8-) |
| 06:37.27 | Kirov | frk |
| 06:37.37 | Iriel | I think that's reasonable choice |
| 06:37.41 | Shirik|AFK | wait, what exploit are we talkihng about now? |
| 06:37.43 | Guillotine | what type of cookie? |
| 06:38.25 | Guillotine | are we talking stupid raisin cookies or yummy peanutbutter chocolate chip cookies? |
| 06:38.50 | Guillotine | wtf |
| 06:38.50 | Corrodias | running out of userdata? what did i miss? |
| 06:38.52 | Guillotine | WoW just closed |
| 06:38.52 | Shirik | internet explorer cookies |
| 06:38.53 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:38.54 | Guillotine | for no reason |
| 06:38.55 | Arrowmaster | for fun i should do this with a SecurePieButton too |
| 06:39.02 | Guillotine | interesting |
| 06:39.03 | Shirik | Guillotine: Sorry that was me, I needed to test something |
| 06:39.03 | Kirov | lol |
| 06:39.06 | MentalPower | Shirik: I think any exploit, but it might be restricted to userdata exploits |
| 06:39.07 | Shirik | Iriel: I win |
| 06:39.17 | Shirik | I closed Guillotine's wow |
| 06:39.22 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:39.25 | Iriel | I said i'd provide a cookie (or month of wow) to anyone who can find an exploitable hole in wow's in game protection |
| 06:39.41 | Guillotine | Shirik: do tell |
| 06:39.43 | Guillotine | :P |
| 06:39.44 | Iriel | and crashes dont count |
| 06:39.59 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain I can find a dangerous one :) |
| 06:40.10 | MentalPower | then you get a month of WoW :) |
| 06:40.11 | Shirik | question is do I have enough time |
| 06:40.15 | Guillotine | interesting |
| 06:40.22 | Kirov | lots and lots of (saved) newproxy() calls + /reload = kicked from game |
| 06:40.22 | Kirov | Of course, 5 minutes of unresponsive client would probably do that |
| 06:40.25 | Guillotine | it appears the max amount of userdata is FAR less than 16^9-1 |
| 06:40.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know, ive got stuff to do for class too |
| 06:40.31 | Shirik | there has been a vector that's been in my mind for a month or two I just never bothered to get into details to look at it |
| 06:40.35 | Guillotine | and WoW just exits |
| 06:40.42 | Guillotine | with no errors or anything |
| 06:40.50 | Shirik | psh, that's not an exploit |
| 06:40.53 | Guillotine | no, it isn't |
| 06:40.54 | Shirik | exploit is format C: |
| 06:40.56 | Guillotine | its just interesting |
| 06:41.02 | Guillotine | lawl |
| 06:41.03 | Corrodias | wait, what's newproxy() ? |
| 06:41.09 | Guillotine | creates blank userdata |
| 06:41.15 | MentalPower | lua> newproxy |
| 06:41.16 | lua_bot | MentalPower: nil |
| 06:41.19 | Guillotine | essentially NewFrame without any of the frame stuff |
| 06:41.21 | Antiarc | If knocking someone offline is an exploit, then just query an invalid item ID a few times :P |
| 06:41.23 | MentalPower | --> newproxy |
| 06:41.24 | batbot | MentalPower: > function: 0x81963e8 |
| 06:41.24 | Corrodias | huh... |
| 06:41.27 | Antiarc | No need to get fancy. |
| 06:41.27 | MentalPower | --> newproxy() |
| 06:41.28 | batbot | MentalPower: > userdata: 0x8189f7c |
| 06:41.33 | MentalPower | --> newproxy() |
| 06:41.33 | batbot | MentalPower: > userdata: 0x81ee59c |
| 06:41.41 | MentalPower | --> pp(newproxy()) |
| 06:41.42 | batbot | MentalPower: @ [string "return pp(newproxy())"]:1: attempt to call global 'pp' (a nil value) |
| 06:41.48 | MentalPower | --> print(newproxy()) |
| 06:41.48 | batbot | MentalPower: userdata: 0x80e7adc |
| 06:42.13 | MentalPower | --> for k, v in pairs(newproxy()) do print(k, tostring(v)) end |
| 06:42.14 | batbot | MentalPower: @ [string " for k, v in pairs(newproxy()) do print(k, ..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got userdata) |
| 06:42.14 | Guillotine | So |
| 06:42.18 | Kirov | Screw that. ForceQuit() done |
| 06:42.31 | reqol | if you're sending data via SendAddonMessage, do you essentially have your addon interpret the string as data when it is received? or is there something I'm missing? |
| 06:42.46 | Guillotine | you parse the string |
| 06:42.46 | MentalPower | reqol: you parse |
| 06:42.46 | Antiarc | reqol: Yes, you do |
| 06:42.59 | Antiarc | Hello string garbage! It's happy fun times for all! |
| 06:43.13 | Shirik | Kirov: Only time I messed with that function, I had to wait another 14 hours for a GM to kick off my ghost from the server :( |
| 06:43.18 | Shirik | granted that was a LONG time ago |
| 06:43.32 | reqol | MentalPower and Guillotine, I don't understand what you mean. I'm treating the string as 'raw data' because I see no way to send actual variables. |
| 06:43.45 | Guillotine | reqol: first, you convert the data to a string |
| 06:43.48 | Antiarc | reqol: Yes, you have to parse the string into your target variables |
| 06:43.51 | Guillotine | then, you recieve the string and convert it to data |
| 06:44.03 | reqol | yep, that's what I meant, that clears up everything. thanks : ) |
| 06:44.19 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, anyone can help me with some weird metatable stuff ? |
| 06:44.21 | reqol | how do you guys usually go about encoding data? |
| 06:44.28 | Shirik | cncfanatics: What's up? |
| 06:44.30 | cncfanatics | I have a table that returns a default table if a table doesn't exist |
| 06:44.33 | cncfanatics | now, the problem is |
| 06:44.43 | cncfanatics | if I write something into table.nonexistantsubtable.whatever |
| 06:44.46 | Guillotine | reqol: depends on what type of data |
| 06:44.52 | cncfanatics | then it gets written to table.default.whatever instead |
| 06:44.55 | Antiarc | reqol: It depends on the data. |
| 06:45.01 | cncfanatics | I'd want it to get written to table.nonexistantsubtable.whatever instead |
| 06:45.06 | Guillotine | hah, beat you again Antiarc |
| 06:45.15 | Shirik | are you using __newindex? |
| 06:45.15 | Antiarc | :( |
| 06:45.18 | Antiarc | I was reading http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4680562 |
| 06:45.24 | cncfanatics | Shirik: only index atm |
| 06:45.27 | cncfanatics | I'll pastey you my meta |
| 06:45.30 | Guillotine | a likely story |
| 06:46.00 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/86017 Shirik |
| 06:46.24 | Shirik | mmmmm |
| 06:46.26 | Shirik | I see the problem |
| 06:46.28 | Guillotine | Kudos to whoever figues out the maximum number of pieces of UserData avilable |
| 06:46.48 | cncfanatics | any way to achieve what I want, I can't see any :s |
| 06:47.05 | Shirik | only real way I can think of is to copy the defaults table |
| 06:47.10 | Shirik | you need a new metatable/table |
| 06:47.26 | Guillotine | cncfanatics: use __newindex |
| 06:47.29 | Shirik | problem is you're giving a reference to the default table |
| 06:47.31 | cncfanatics | in that metatable I can't find out what state I wanted to write into |
| 06:47.37 | Shirik | can't really use __newindex because there's nothing to put that metamethod on |
| 06:47.39 | cncfanatics | I'll get the default table as reference idd |
| 06:47.43 | Arrowmaster | --> setmetatable({[0]=newproxy()},{__index={GetObjectType=function() return "Frame" end,IsObjectType=function(_,x) return x=="Frame" end,GetFrameType=function() return "Frame" end,IsFrameType=function(_,x) return x=="Frame" end,GetText=function() return "Hey Look a Frame" end}}):GetText() |
| 06:47.44 | batbot | Arrowmaster: > Hey Look a Frame |
| 06:48.18 | Antiarc | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7354539.stm Yaaaaay |
| 06:48.38 | cncfanatics | writing to StateDB.BlaState.key would write to StateDB.DefaultState.key , and thats shit :( |
| 06:49.14 | Guillotine | I guess I don't really get what you are trying to do |
| 06:49.56 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.17 | Tem | Arrowmaster, inform me of what? |
| 06:50.21 | Tem | actually, no |
| 06:50.24 | cncfanatics | Shirik: any solutions ? |
| 06:50.26 | Tem | get me when I get back |
| 06:50.31 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:51.02 | Shirik | I think the best way is to duplicate the defaults table, or to crea....... |
| 06:51.03 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:51.04 | Shirik | that's it |
| 06:51.05 | Shirik | here |
| 06:51.21 | cncfanatics | but I can't do that with metatables can I ? |
| 06:51.29 | cncfanatics | the actual code would have to check for the existance of a state with rawget |
| 06:51.39 | cncfanatics | and then copy the defaults to the state if it didn't exist ? |
| 06:51.58 | Arrowmaster | set a __newindex on your DefaultState to prevent it from being written to |
| 06:52.09 | cncfanatics | it can be written on |
| 06:52.13 | cncfanatics | and has to be able to be written on |
| 06:52.22 | Shirik | http://www.pastey.net/86018 |
| 06:52.27 | cncfanatics | its fine to write on it if you do StateDB.DefaultState.setting = "something" |
| 06:52.30 | Shirik | is that an acceptable solution? |
| 06:52.40 | cncfanatics | its just that StateDB.nonexistingstate.setting = "something" will also write on it arrowmaster |
| 06:53.13 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 06:53.50 | cncfanatics | writing on non-existantstate would still write to DefaultState |
| 06:53.59 | Shirik | no it wouldn't |
| 06:54.03 | Arrowmaster | ok maybe setting a __newindex would work on the StateDB table |
| 06:54.08 | Shirik | it would write to your new table |
| 06:54.10 | cncfanatics | :o, it'll write on a dummy |
| 06:54.21 | Shirik | which would supercede __index |
| 06:54.25 | Shirik | but only for that table |
| 06:55.18 | cncfanatics | thats a nice solution |
| 06:55.24 | cncfanatics | should always use the same metatable though |
| 06:55.30 | cncfanatics | instead of creating a new one every time |
| 06:55.49 | Arrowmaster | which is an easy fix |
| 06:55.54 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 06:56.26 | cncfanatics | now that defaultstate can't be written on implicitly, any way to make StateDB.nonexistingstate.setting write to that actual location and have nonexistingstate created somehow ? |
| 06:57.07 | cncfanatics | I'm having an idea |
| 06:57.09 | cncfanatics | hmmm, one sec |
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| 07:03.22 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/86019 Shirik, would this do ? |
| 07:03.29 | cncfanatics | I'm thinking it should |
| 07:04.11 | Shirik | looks illegal to me |
| 07:04.18 | cncfanatics | why ? |
| 07:04.41 | cncfanatics | the __newindex function *should* still have state from its parent function |
| 07:04.49 | cncfanatics | though I'm not 100% sure there |
| 07:05.19 | Shirik | the double return is bad :P |
| 07:05.29 | cncfanatics | oh, that |
| 07:05.31 | cncfanatics | that was a typo |
| 07:05.36 | cncfanatics | the second one shld get yanked |
| 07:05.48 | cncfanatics | does the rest look good ? |
| 07:06.20 | cncfanatics | thing is that that way I can't declare the metatable outside the func anymore |
| 07:06.40 | Shirik | I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to do though |
| 07:07.03 | cncfanatics | well, with that |
| 07:07.10 | cncfanatics | if something would get written to DefaultState |
| 07:07.26 | cncfanatics | it would get written to WhateverKeyYouUsedToAccessDefaultState instead |
| 07:08.12 | Shirik | I guess I'm just not understanding this whole DefaultState thing |
| 07:08.17 | Shirik | but why not try it and find out :) |
| 07:08.33 | cncfanatics | thats what I'm doing atm |
| 07:08.36 | cncfanatics | getting a C stack overflow :p |
| 07:08.58 | cncfanatics | it WORKED |
| 07:09.02 | cncfanatics | nice shit |
| 07:09.28 | cncfanatics | thanks for pointing me in the dummy table direction Shirik |
| 07:10.05 | cncfanatics | you can do such a nice things with metas :) |
| 07:10.19 | Guillotine | http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/32126020 lol |
| 07:11.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/31294376 |
| 07:11.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | :( |
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| 07:16.15 | Antiarc | http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/29119248 |
| 07:16.38 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZzZz |
| 07:16.47 | MentalPower|ZzZz | night Cairenn |
| 07:17.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:17.46 | MentalPower|ZzZz | I *do* have four servers with fat pipes at my disposal :P |
| 07:17.52 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:18.15 | MentalPower|ZzZz | y not? |
| 07:18.30 | Cairenn | because I know you'd like to live through the next BlizzCon |
| 07:18.39 | MentalPower|ZzZz | other than the fact that I'd need your IP addy |
| 07:18.43 | MentalPower|ZzZz | hmm... point |
| 07:18.44 | MentalPower|ZzZz | :) |
| 07:19.10 | MentalPower|ZzZz | fine fine, you win... for now... :) |
| 07:19.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:19.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/27158539 |
| 07:19.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | the best |
| 07:20.11 | Antiarc | Mr_Rabies2: That one is win. |
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| 07:26.04 | cncfanatics | what happens when there are recursive tables in the savedvars ? |
| 07:27.04 | Arrowmaster | they recurse |
| 07:27.07 | Iriel | it spots it |
| 07:27.09 | Iriel | and puts a comment in |
| 07:27.13 | Arrowmaster | and fill up your harddrive |
| 07:27.26 | Guillotine | You know whats fun? |
| 07:27.31 | Guillotine | In one of your AddOns |
| 07:27.33 | Guillotine | in the .toc file |
| 07:27.36 | Arrowmaster | setting _G as a saved var? |
| 07:27.37 | Guillotine | put _G in the SavedVariables line |
| 07:27.39 | Guillotine | yes |
| 07:27.52 | cncfanatics | Iriel: thanks |
| 07:28.01 | cncfanatics | damn this is getting tricky, but it should work |
| 07:28.32 | Guillotine | What happens if you set a metatable as a SV? It doesn't save the metafunctions, does it? |
| 07:28.44 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt save the metatable at all |
| 07:28.53 | cncfanatics | metatable gets ignored |
| 07:30.02 | Iriel | sv code is all rawget based |
| 07:30.41 | lagger | is it possible to make an addon that fills up someones hard drive |
| 07:31.11 | cncfanatics | sv has a size limit doesn't it ? |
| 07:31.23 | Polarina | lagger: Yes, if cncfanatics is wrong. |
| 07:32.14 | Iriel | No, it's not possible in any sane way |
| 07:32.15 | lagger | hm wouldnt it be limited to your memory |
| 07:32.15 | cncfanatics | it wouldn't make sense for them not to have a size limit, but who knows :p |
| 07:32.15 | Guillotine | no, there is a limit on the size |
| 07:32.23 | Iriel | unless you have more RAM than you do HD free space |
| 07:32.37 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Double negatives are confusing! |
| 07:32.50 | Iriel | actually you can do some pretty good expansion |
| 07:32.56 | Iriel | if you create a massive deeply nested table |
| 07:33.07 | Iriel | and then put thousands of references to it in a parent table |
| 07:33.14 | Guillotine | lol |
| 07:33.16 | Polarina | Iriel: Lua stores the same string only once internally, so you execute table.insert on the same table with the same string. |
| 07:33.18 | Iriel | that could fill up a drive fairly well |
| 07:33.37 | Iriel | Polarina: that would work too, yeah |
| 07:34.07 | cncfanatics | hmmm, wouldn't you hit the table size limit faster then you fill up the HD ? |
| 07:34.25 | Polarina | cncfanatics: And have thousand of references in a parent table. |
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| 07:34.35 | Guillotine | I'm pretty sure the .lua files themselves have a limit imposed |
| 07:34.41 | Guillotine | when written |
| 07:34.51 | Guillotine | I seem to remember WoW cutting them off for me at some point |
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| 08:04.24 | Shirik | in linux, is there a way to tell what exactly is being executed? |
| 08:04.34 | Shirik | i.e., I'm running something from the command line but I have no idea where the executable is |
| 08:04.53 | Antiarc | which whois |
| 08:05.00 | Antiarc | > /usr/bin/whois |
| 08:05.11 | Shirik | <3 |
| 08:05.16 | mikma | Shirik: ps -aux ? |
| 08:05.29 | Shirik | Antiarc got it :) |
| 08:05.48 | mikma | good good |
| 08:05.56 | Shirik | next quesiton |
| 08:06.02 | Shirik | how to force vim to highlight in a given syntax! |
| 08:06.16 | Shirik | because apparently it doesn't look at the shebang and try to figure it out :( |
| 08:11.53 | Polarina | Shirik: Linux is a kernel, there is no such thing called command line. |
| 08:12.01 | widgertick | Heh, you know gas prices are high when car companies include a full tank as a feature. |
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| 08:12.25 | Cairenn | yeah ... |
| 08:12.28 | Shirik | Is there any practical purpose to your nit-pickiness when it was extremely obvious what I was asking? |
| 08:12.51 | Polarina | Shirik: Trying to avoid possible misunderstanding in the future. |
| 08:13.01 | Shirik | right.... |
| 08:13.12 | Shirik | do yourself a favor and just be quiet, I'm not in the mood for this stupid argument right now |
| 08:13.54 | Polarina | Shirik: I never argue with anyone except with cladhaire for some reasons... |
| 08:14.02 | widgertick | LOL |
| 08:14.10 | widgertick | Have an argument about whether or not you argue with people, please. |
| 08:14.20 | widgertick | I could use the entertainment ;) |
| 08:15.27 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5974349555&sid=1&pageNo=1 <-epic btw |
| 08:18.20 | Shirik | lua> 1 + sqrt(3.8e9 ^ 2 / (3.8e9 + 1)^2) |
| 08:18.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'sqrt' (a nil value) |
| 08:18.26 | Shirik | lua> 1 + math.sqrt(3.8e9 ^ 2 / (3.8e9 + 1)^2) |
| 08:18.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.9999999997368 |
| 08:18.51 | Syzgyn | Fisker: wtf lol |
| 08:20.32 | Tem | Fisker-, people who roll on that trinket "for pvp" piss me off |
| 08:20.45 | Tem | my tank has been 6 times hoping for that trinket |
| 08:20.55 | Tem | I lost it once to a rogue who wanted it for pvp |
| 08:20.56 | Guillotine | I'm getting it on my pvp priest |
| 08:21.06 | krka | lua> 1 + 3.8e9 / (3.8e9 + 1) |
| 08:21.06 | lua_bot | krka: 1.9999999997368 |
| 08:21.08 | Tem | ALL OTHER FIVE TIMES I've seen the goddamn dot trinket |
| 08:21.13 | Tem | Guillotine, DO NOT ROLL OVER A TANK |
| 08:21.13 | Guillotine | I made a deal with my roommate. I'd heal the instance for him until he got it (2 runs) and then he'd run me through until I got it |
| 08:21.15 | Tem | DO NOT |
| 08:21.24 | Guillotine | Tem: I know :) |
| 08:21.26 | Tem | That's fair imo |
| 08:21.27 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 08:22.01 | Guillotine | Though if someone does ask me to heal the heroic, I only agree to go if they say I can roll on it |
| 08:22.01 | Tem | (oh, btw, the rogue who wanted it "for pvp" does have above a 1600 rating on any team) |
| 08:22.23 | Tem | It's now my policy to switch to ML before that boss |
| 08:22.42 | Syzgyn | or, better yet, dont pug it :) |
| 08:22.45 | Tem | I will not have that shit taken from me again by some scrub who has shitty ratings |
| 08:22.55 | Tem | Syzgyn, not pugging it really isn't an option |
| 08:23.06 | Tem | I'm the only /really/ active 70 in my guild |
| 08:23.15 | Guillotine | sucks :( |
| 08:23.20 | Syzgyn | As a warrior, I fully support bad players taking it 'for PvP'. My overpower doesn't get enough use currently. :) |
| 08:23.30 | Guillotine | I need it for the stam :P |
| 08:23.32 | Arrowmaster | i sometimes question when the last time somebody in my guild ever puged an instance |
| 08:23.54 | Tem | Arrowmaster, what was it you wanted to tell me earlier? |
| 08:24.02 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
| 08:24.16 | Tem | something about crashing wow, I think |
| 08:24.26 | AbsoRayne | Thats ok, I just got 2 healing items ninjad from my druid by a fucking ret pali. |
| 08:24.27 | Arrowmaster | was joking around that there was probably a way to crash the client by messing with userdata stored in [0] of frame tables |
| 08:24.29 | Tem | I just saw that I you pinged me right as I had to go |
| 08:24.32 | Tem | oh |
| 08:24.35 | Tem | there was |
| 08:24.37 | Tem | ages ago |
| 08:24.41 | Syzgyn | Arrowmaster: I dont remember the last time I fully pugged something, or even partially pugged something... |
| 08:24.43 | Tem | it's been fixed |
| 08:24.45 | Guillotine | There was a lot you could do with that stuff |
| 08:24.53 | Guillotine | you could bypass protection with metatables as well |
| 08:24.54 | Polarina | Tem: You can crash the client with /run ChatFrame1:SetMaxLines(2 ^ 31 - 1) |
| 08:25.01 | Tem | in fact, that was one of my first crashes |
| 08:25.20 | Tem | Polarina, standard signed int |
| 08:25.22 | Tem | go figure |
| 08:25.31 | Polarina | ? |
| 08:25.35 | Guillotine | Not that suprising imo |
| 08:25.39 | Tem | aye |
| 08:26.38 | Guillotine | I mean, its a little bit interesting that they chose signed (Negative would never be needed), but I don't think it would impede functionality in any way. After all, are you really going to need 2^32 lines? |
| 08:26.54 | Shirik | does warden pick up a debugger presence? |
| 08:27.12 | Guillotine | afaik, it has no heuristics |
| 08:27.14 | Shirik | I guess a better question would be "does anyone else use wow with a debugger attached" |
| 08:27.18 | Guillotine | so if its purely a debugger, you should be fine |
| 08:27.25 | widgertick | Shirik: I do sometimes ;) |
| 08:27.30 | Shirik | you don't count |
| 08:27.34 | widgertick | Why not? =( |
| 08:28.04 | Shirik | :P |
| 08:28.25 | Shirik | damn |
| 08:28.25 | Shirik | that's some powerful sulking |
| 08:28.37 | Shirik | you killed the internets with it |
| 08:28.51 | widgertick | I like large prosteriors and I cannot prevaricate |
| 08:28.56 | Guillotine | lol |
| 08:29.05 | Guillotine | I forgot where that was from, but I read it as well |
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| 08:29.33 | Shirik | problem is when Lua crashes, WoW just shuts down with no info at all |
| 08:29.41 | Syzgyn | wow... IE and firefox both hate my AJAX code :( |
| 08:29.41 | Shirik | if I want to see why Lua crashed, I need to attach a debugger |
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| 08:29.57 | Arrowmaster | they hate it because its AJAX |
| 08:30.07 | Shirik | even if I don't get any code info out of it, at least I would get "access violation" "stack overflow" or something |
| 08:30.08 | Syzgyn | Opera likes it! |
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| 08:30.32 | Polarina | Shirik: Just attach the god damn debugger. |
| 08:30.34 | Shirik | Opera doesn't like anything |
| 08:30.39 | Shirik | and nothing likes Opera |
| 08:30.46 | Guillotine | Opera sux |
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| 08:30.49 | leethal | it likes ur mum !1111five |
| 08:30.50 | Syzgyn | You suck! |
| 08:30.57 | Syzgyn | Opera is win! |
| 08:31.03 | Guillotine | No, firefox is win |
| 08:31.05 | Shirik | I used opera for a week |
| 08:31.08 | leethal | yea wagner rocks, for instance |
| 08:31.10 | Guillotine | Do I hear netscape? |
| 08:31.13 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 08:31.16 | Tem | I like opera |
| 08:31.19 | Shirik | At the end of that week I went to my doctor for symptoms of depression |
| 08:31.24 | Tem | but I can't live without adblock |
| 08:31.36 | Syzgyn | Anyway, I use opera, so as I coded it, I used opera to debug it |
| 08:31.37 | sag_ich_nicht | I like firefox |
| 08:31.37 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 08:31.51 | Syzgyn | now going back to other browsers, it completetly dies |
| 08:31.53 | widgertick | I use Opera on my PDA |
| 08:31.54 | Tem | also, the armory makes opera cry even more than it makes firefox cry |
| 08:32.02 | Syzgyn | armorylite.com |
| 08:32.04 | Tem | so with firefox I stay |
| 08:32.05 | Guillotine | I suppose I use Opera on the Wii |
| 08:32.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i use opera on my cellphone |
| 08:32.09 | Guillotine | but that doesn't count |
| 08:32.09 | leethal | someone should make lightweightarmory.com |
| 08:32.12 | sag_ich_nicht | because no firefox for it :( |
| 08:32.16 | leethal | which read the xml and displayed it in a less fucked up manner |
| 08:32.27 | Syzgyn | leethal: armorylite.com |
| 08:32.32 | leethal | yay =D |
| 08:32.56 | Syzgyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.37 | Guillotine | Cairenn: Are we allowed to host addons on WoWI that do nothing but crash the game as long as we state that is what it does? (For demonstration purposes). I'd host it on Curse, but it seems we have a lot of users that just download stuff without reading the description and I'd prefer not to crash their game :P |
| 08:33.45 | Syzgyn | the problem is, each browser interprets xml differently for some fucked up reason |
| 08:33.51 | leethal | awesome, tnx for that link |
| 08:34.01 | Cairenn | Guillotine: put it in the dev cat :p |
| 08:34.01 | Shirik | Guillotine >< |
| 08:34.07 | Shirik | you are so strange |
| 08:34.10 | Shirik | <3 |
| 08:34.13 | leethal | ok, someone needs to make lessfuckeduparmorybutstillawesome.com |
| 08:34.14 | Guillotine | Seriously, its an interesting crash |
| 08:34.18 | Syzgyn | so, xml.getElementsByTagName('item') works in opera, but not in firefox |
| 08:34.23 | Syzgyn | and I have no fuckign idea why |
| 08:34.25 | Cairenn | Guillotine: ^^ |
| 08:34.28 | leethal | armorylite.com doesn't look very sexy =/ |
| 08:34.32 | leethal | could use wowhead's tooltips, perhaps |
| 08:34.41 | Syzgyn | leethal: I disagree, and it does |
| 08:34.47 | Tem | This gear score thing is rpetty cool |
| 08:35.01 | Cairenn | Guillotine: cause for one thing, it's a nice easy way to show it to blizz, so they can poke at it |
| 08:35.03 | Tem | according to it, I'm the 95th most geared person on my server |
| 08:35.14 | Syzgyn | if you mouse over an item, then mouse over the item name, you get the wowhead link |
| 08:35.22 | Syzgyn | er,tooltip |
| 08:35.34 | Guillotine | Cair: I don't think blizz would need to see it. Nobody is realistically going to make several billion UserData, but its still interesting :P |
| 08:35.41 | leethal | oh you gotta hover the tooltip to get the wowhead tooltip |
| 08:35.55 | Syzgyn | Tem: I'm 90% sure the rating thing is a straight ilvl sum |
| 08:35.57 | Guillotine | wow, I owned english in that last one :( |
| 08:36.06 | Tem | Syzgyn, probably |
| 08:36.15 | widgertick | Guillotine: My favorite crash bug that Blizzard fixed for no good reason was frame:SetFrameLevel(math.huge) |
| 08:36.21 | Syzgyn | which means Tanks get screwed over |
| 08:36.22 | Cairenn | oh that fucking asshole, now he's spamming us with his "nude wow patch" keylogger shit |
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| 08:36.34 | Cairenn | Guillotine: might want to go see if he's hitting you guys too |
| 08:36.35 | widgertick | The client tried to allocate several gigs of RAM and then exploded |
| 08:36.48 | Guillotine | Cairenn: We have forums? |
| 08:36.50 | Guillotine | :P |
| 08:36.50 | Tem | widgertick, hahah awesome |
| 08:37.04 | Shirik | Guillotine: It doesn't crash due to failure to allocate memory, does it? |
| 08:37.14 | Guillotine | I have no idea |
| 08:37.17 | Cairenn | Guillotine: well, there is that .... *weg* |
| 08:37.17 | Guillotine | it just closes the game |
| 08:37.26 | Guillotine | Cair: is it being posted in addon comments too? |
| 08:37.31 | Shirik | ah well if it just closes that's typically a symptom of Lua crashing |
| 08:37.33 | Cairenn | no idea |
| 08:37.38 | Shirik | if you run out of memory, you get a WoWError thingy |
| 08:37.41 | Guillotine | Yup |
| 08:37.44 | Guillotine | that was my thought |
| 08:37.48 | Shirik | let me try your little "addon" |
| 08:37.56 | Polarina | Guillotine: Implement number of different methods to crash the client. |
| 08:38.10 | Guillotine | I should do that. Just add new slash commands to crash the client |
| 08:38.14 | Guillotine | make several hundred |
| 08:38.37 | Guillotine | I remember WAY back when I wrote the weekly UI article for WoWGuru I did one on 10 interesting ways to crash the game |
| 08:39.14 | Guillotine | Cair: yup, he did it on ours too :( But it appears to have already been handled |
| 08:39.56 | Cairenn | and of course right now my connection is acting up, taking forever to load the site so I can get it deleted |
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| 08:41.43 | Shirik | Guillotine: Did you upload your "addon" yet? |
| 08:41.45 | Guillotine | Seriously, if someone is downloading that thing, they need some SERIOUS help (ignoring the fact its a keylogger) |
| 08:41.52 | Guillotine | Shirik: No, handling those stupid posts on Curse first |
| 08:41.52 | Shirik | or is it a simple script? |
| 08:41.56 | Guillotine | Its an addon |
| 08:42.00 | Guillotine | so that it doesn't lockup your UI |
| 08:42.11 | Shirik | I have no problem with it locking up my ui :P |
| 08:42.34 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 08:42.44 | Guillotine | Shirik: well, then it doesn't crash the game |
| 08:42.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i logged with the argent dawn commission |
| 08:42.48 | Shirik | ah |
| 08:42.54 | sag_ich_nicht | so my rating at armory lite is low as hell |
| 08:42.55 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 08:43.10 | Shirik | that's interesting, I have to reload visual studio with administrative privileges to get it to attach to wow |
| 08:43.15 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 08:43.20 | Shirik | I didn't think wow was running elevated |
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| 08:44.06 | widgertick | Shirik: Running Vista? |
| 08:44.10 | Shirik | yup |
| 08:44.27 | Shirik | os: Windows Vista Ultimate, SP1 (installed on November 2 2006) :: uptime: 2h 46m 56s |
| 08:44.33 | widgertick | UAC on? |
| 08:44.36 | Shirik | I really have no idea why it says Nov 2 2006 |
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| 08:44.41 | Shirik | UAC on but it's in a different folder |
| 08:44.55 | Shirik | not in program files |
| 08:44.55 | widgertick | You're brave ;) |
| 08:45.03 | Syzgyn | bleh, this browser crap can wait till tomorrow |
| 08:45.10 | Shirik | No, I'm just smart enough to realize UAC is a good thing :) |
| 08:45.17 | Shirik | and I have the patience to deal with it |
| 08:45.49 | Guillotine | Shirik: uploaded |
| 08:46.10 | Guillotine | I hate UAC, but I use it anyway |
| 08:46.14 | Guillotine | well, I like what it does |
| 08:46.17 | Guillotine | but I think it could be better |
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| 08:47.12 | Shirik | /tmd starts it? |
| 08:47.21 | Guillotine | yup |
| 08:47.26 | Shirik | hey cool |
| 08:47.43 | Shirik | Visual Studio picked up some output to the debug console from WoW.exe |
| 08:47.46 | Shirik | no idea what it means though :P |
| 08:48.30 | Polarina | Shirik: It's Warden complaining. |
| 08:48.36 | Shirik | yeah ok |
| 08:48.46 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8741-TooMuchData.html <== Guil's fun crashy playtoy |
| 08:49.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:49.39 | Cairenn | not that many, actually, that's why I told him to put it in that category |
| 08:49.50 | Shirik | actually, Guillotine, it does lock up my UI |
| 08:49.52 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 08:50.05 | Cairenn | a_stupid_enduser_001 doesn't typically go poking around in that cat |
| 08:50.06 | Guillotine | It will for ~2 seconds at a time |
| 08:50.09 | Guillotine | before displaying a frame |
| 08:50.11 | Shirik | ah |
| 08:50.26 | Dolby | so whats the reason for it? |
| 08:50.28 | Guillotine | at least on my computer. at a slower computer it may lock it up for longer, on a faster one for less |
| 08:50.52 | Guillotine | Shirik asked that I post it so he could see what exactly is making it crash |
| 08:50.59 | Dolby | ahh |
| 08:51.16 | Guillotine | Shirik: let me know if the debugging really works |
| 08:51.25 | Shirik | I'm already attached, so we'll see where this goes |
| 08:51.33 | Shirik | no idea what the status is because I can't get back into wow >.> |
| 08:51.37 | widgertick | G'night ;) |
| 08:51.38 | Shirik | I think my CPU's a little slower than yours |
| 08:51.38 | Guillotine | lol |
| 08:51.39 | Shirik | or my memory |
| 08:51.40 | Shirik | night |
| 08:51.43 | Guillotine | Widgertick: night! |
| 08:51.56 | Cairenn | night widger|zZz, sweet dreams |
| 08:52.19 | Shirik | what is it outputting, Guillotine |
| 08:52.32 | Guillotine | Wow, I am so messed up right now. I think "man, widger is going to bed early tonight". Then I realize its almost 2 o.O |
| 08:52.41 | Shirik | omg it's 5 am |
| 08:52.48 | widger|zZz | In your defense, that's early for me anyway ;) |
| 08:52.55 | Shirik | Guillotine, I didn't crash :P |
| 08:53.05 | Guillotine | Shirik: 16^9-(total number of userdata created) |
| 08:53.06 | Shirik | is there a way to turn down the time between updates? I think I DCed because you locked me up too much |
| 08:53.24 | Guillotine | yah, I'll do that real quickly |
| 08:53.44 | Shirik | I can just tweak "pertime" right? |
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| 08:56.09 | Guillotine | Shirik: that will make it lock up for less time |
| 08:56.16 | Guillotine | but it will still only be 1 frame between updates |
| 08:56.21 | Guillotine | err, between lockups |
| 08:56.36 | cncfanatics | Shirik: this must be the most difficult metatable stuff I ever did :s: http://www.pastey.net/86021 is my final result |
| 08:57.10 | Shirik | something's not right though Guillotine |
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| 08:57.18 | Shirik | it's collecting garbage in between passes |
| 08:57.45 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 08:57.51 | Guillotine | but I disabled garbage collection |
| 08:57.51 | Shirik | I'm watching it bounce back and forth between 31MB and 37Mb |
| 08:57.55 | Shirik | I know |
| 08:58.12 | Guillotine | Well, maybe we discovered a REAL bug with this :P |
| 08:58.32 | Guillotine | perhaps userdata does not obey the gc options set? |
| 08:58.43 | widger|zZz | Is that really a bug in a WoW context? |
| 08:58.48 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:58.54 | Polarina | Guillotine: Blizzard made the client collect garbage in the background incrementally with patch 2.3 |
| 08:59.15 | cncfanatics | shouldn't allow it to ignore GC settings though Polarina? |
| 08:59.15 | Guillotine | ah, and the normal disable of gc does not stop that? |
| 08:59.26 | Polarina | cncfanatics: It does ignore them. |
| 08:59.52 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 08:59.55 | sag_ich_nicht | weird |
| 08:59.56 | sag_ich_nicht | o.o |
| 08:59.58 | Shirik | I'm on the side of widger|work where I say GC doesn't really make much sense to be disabled anyway from a game designer point of view |
| 09:00.24 | sag_ich_nicht | well, in comabt |
| 09:00.27 | sag_ich_nicht | *in combat |
| 09:00.31 | sag_ich_nicht | it can be kind of a bitch |
| 09:00.50 | Guillotine | no, in terms of actual usefulness, theres no reason it should be completely disabled |
| 09:00.58 | Guillotine | Its just kind of not what you'd expect |
| 09:01.12 | Guillotine | I mean, you'd think if we were offered a function to disable gc, it would disable gc |
| 09:01.16 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: In-combat, it will not internally collect garbage in the background. |
| 09:01.39 | Guillotine | Theres our solution. Run it with a level 1 creature attacking you :P |
| 09:01.44 | sag_ich_nicht | yupp |
| 09:01.56 | sag_ich_nicht | just get a druid |
| 09:02.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and FF a critter |
| 09:02.24 | Guillotine | or fear it as a lock |
| 09:02.24 | sag_ich_nicht | it won't damage it but the critter will aggro and hit you |
| 09:02.27 | sag_ich_nicht | or that |
| 09:02.28 | widger|zZz | Only a programmer would find a technicality with which to crash an application, then complain when the application has a behavior that prevents the programmer from using the technicality to crash the application. |
| 09:02.29 | Guillotine | or as a priest/warr |
| 09:02.31 | Shirik | does it depend on GC truly being stopped? |
| 09:02.39 | Guillotine | lol widger |
| 09:02.44 | Shirik | my understanding is that you weren't doing anything special at the time |
| 09:02.47 | Guillotine | no |
| 09:02.51 | Guillotine | it should still crash |
| 09:02.56 | sag_ich_nicht | widger|work: well it CAN crash in combat |
| 09:02.58 | Shirik | then I shouldn't need to go into combat to reproduce it |
| 09:03.01 | Guillotine | nope |
| 09:03.12 | Guillotine | I just kind of moved onto a different subject |
| 09:03.47 | Shirik | what architecture are you on? |
| 09:03.51 | widger|zZz | sag_ich_nicht: Yes, if you stay in combat long enough with an addon installed that intentionally creates a tremendously large amount of userdata after having specifically setup the GC so that it can't do it's job, the client can crash |
| 09:04.20 | Guillotine | Shirik: vista |
| 09:04.26 | Shirik | 32? |
| 09:04.29 | Guillotine | yup |
| 09:04.46 | sag_ich_nicht | widger|work: given that i have 4GB of ram that might take some time, unless it's not an OOM crash in the common sense |
| 09:04.52 | widger|zZz | s/do it's job/do its job/ |
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| 09:05.09 | Guillotine | Shirik: alright, I have a new version that pauses 2 seconds between freezes |
| 09:05.13 | Guillotine | going to see if it crashes as well |
| 09:05.41 | Shirik | I had a great program once that ate up a ton of memory |
| 09:05.55 | Shirik | it showed the beauty of Vista - every program except mine crashed whe I reached the out of memory condition |
| 09:06.04 | Guillotine | lol |
| 09:06.05 | sag_ich_nicht | damn ball in guiness cans |
| 09:06.07 | Guillotine | that is awesome |
| 09:06.09 | Shirik | every program except the one causing the problem |
| 09:06.18 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't resist playing with the can so the ball moves |
| 09:06.19 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 09:06.30 | Shirik | but I guess mine could have crashed too |
| 09:06.31 | Guillotine | Shirik: interesting. That could cause security issues if its really every program |
| 09:06.44 | Shirik | it may have just been luck |
| 09:06.52 | sag_ich_nicht | doubt it |
| 09:07.07 | Shirik | I didn't do anything special though, not catching std::bad_alloc, etc. |
| 09:07.25 | Shirik | anyway I've been going for about 5 minutes now, nothing special |
| 09:07.45 | Shirik | I could leave it run overnight |
| 09:07.58 | Guillotine | Well, eventually you'd be d/c from server |
| 09:08.03 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 09:08.05 | sag_ich_nicht | not YET |
| 09:08.19 | sag_ich_nicht | he can use foreverafk and go into some zone where he isn't resting |
| 09:08.22 | Polarina | Shirik: :P - Have you made a program to warn up your room? |
| 09:08.43 | Shirik | If I don't crash before server timeout it's probably not an issue :P |
| 09:08.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: it crashes Guillotine's PC so it IS an issue :P |
| 09:09.07 | Guillotine | Its not an issue anyway |
| 09:09.07 | Shirik | I blame his computer |
| 09:09.14 | Guillotine | Who the fuck is going to be making several billion frames? |
| 09:09.15 | Shirik | he probably stuck a fork in the ram |
| 09:09.35 | Guillotine | Its not something any sane person would ever encounter |
| 09:09.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: do you know how many damn addons i have? :P |
| 09:09.57 | Shirik | I still don't think you'll reach a billion frames somehow |
| 09:10.00 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: Too many? |
| 09:10.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina: nope |
| 09:10.04 | Guillotine | especially with GC enabled |
| 09:10.06 | sag_ich_nicht | just right :P |
| 09:10.12 | sag_ich_nicht | which reminds me |
| 09:10.16 | Guillotine | I mean, we specifically disable gc for this |
| 09:10.23 | sag_ich_nicht | WTB version of telltrack that uses the new chatfilter API |
| 09:10.39 | Guillotine | ehhhh |
| 09:10.41 | Guillotine | someday |
| 09:10.54 | Guillotine | I'll probably completely rewrite telltrack when I have a chance |
| 09:11.03 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar was talking about that too |
| 09:11.05 | Guillotine | too many hackups in it right now to take care of various changes |
| 09:11.18 | Guillotine | oh, then he can do it |
| 09:11.25 | sag_ich_nicht | you better do it together |
| 09:11.28 | sag_ich_nicht | since you both work slowly :P |
| 09:11.40 | sag_ich_nicht | and are busy |
| 09:11.41 | Guillotine | I think we just both don't work :P |
| 09:11.43 | sag_ich_nicht | at different times |
| 09:11.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: i think the opposite is true |
| 09:11.55 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 09:12.01 | Guillotine | I mean on the addons you want |
| 09:12.06 | Shirik | so Guillotine |
| 09:12.09 | Guillotine | we specifically leave the ones you want changed to last |
| 09:12.14 | Shirik | there are two interesting aspects here |
| 09:12.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: i know :P |
| 09:12.28 | Shirik | firstly, whati f you stored them all |
| 09:12.34 | Shirik | secondly, what if they were frames (that are never GCed) |
| 09:12.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: try it :P |
| 09:12.53 | Shirik | I'm still trying to get his case to crash :P |
| 09:13.11 | Guillotine | Shirik: mine just died |
| 09:13.11 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: you know what? do a /console reloadui in the middle of having it running |
| 09:13.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and see what happens |
| 09:13.26 | Guillotine | maybe it has something to do with settings |
| 09:13.30 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: Did that about 15 minutes ago |
| 09:13.34 | Shirik | to adjust some code |
| 09:13.39 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 09:13.41 | sag_ich_nicht | well then |
| 09:13.41 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
| 09:13.56 | Shirik | Guillotine: It also could be related to the fact that I'm on 64 bit |
| 09:14.01 | Guillotine | Could be |
| 09:14.05 | Shirik | if it's something ilke running out of active mutexes or whatever |
| 09:14.08 | Guillotine | I'm going to try it with frames now |
| 09:14.12 | Shirik | something internal to the OS |
| 09:14.14 | Elsia | do raid unitids like raid39 honor the subgroup structure or is it always 1..GetNumRaidMembers and one has to use GetRaidRosterInfo to get subgroups? |
| 09:14.23 | sag_ich_nicht | this case here crashes on reloadui: http://pastey.net/85294-3o7l but i haven't been able to track down what causes it AT ALL |
| 09:14.31 | sag_ich_nicht | it also crashes if you leave it running long enough |
| 09:14.50 | sag_ich_nicht | but i can't reproduce it reliably it just randomly happens while inspecting someone |
| 09:15.00 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: is 1..40, there can be a raid40 without being 40 people in the raid |
| 09:15.09 | Guillotine | sag: its a memory allocation error |
| 09:15.12 | Elsia | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 09:15.20 | Shirik | one thing I did learn, though |
| 09:15.25 | Shirik | upon logging in, I get spammed with First-chance exception at 0x0f833b7e in Wow.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x7607aa60. |
| 09:15.36 | Shirik | it's wierd because it must be caught somewhere |
| 09:15.41 | Shirik | I just wonder what it is |
| 09:15.43 | Guillotine | Shirik: with frames it gives an instant error "Memory allocation error" |
| 09:16.12 | Shirik | welp, I'm gonna let this run overnight and see what happens |
| 09:16.13 | Arrowmaster | frame limit is much smaller then, guess this gives a reason to recycle frames |
| 09:16.26 | sag_ich_nicht | [11:15] <+Guillotine> sag: its a memory allocation error <--meh |
| 09:16.33 | Shirik | night guys |
| 09:16.42 | sag_ich_nicht | hehehehe |
| 09:16.46 | Elsia | Arrowmaster: same for party4 I assume? |
| 09:16.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik|zZz http://pastey.net/85315-1dwi |
| 09:16.49 | sag_ich_nicht | go check that |
| 09:16.52 | Arrowmaster | Elsia: no |
| 09:16.53 | Shirik|zZz | I will tomorrow :) |
| 09:16.55 | Elsia | oh ok |
| 09:16.57 | sag_ich_nicht | that's the crash from the pastey i just pasted |
| 09:17.09 | sag_ich_nicht | and guess what, it sounds pretty similar :) |
| 09:17.16 | Elsia | so basically one can for over 1,40 for raid and 1,GetNumPartyMembers for party |
| 09:17.20 | sag_ich_nicht | except it's a write error |
| 09:17.22 | sag_ich_nicht | not a read error :P |
| 09:17.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:7C928FEA |
| 09:17.32 | Polarina | Guillotine: The addon causes kernel panic for 2.6.24 while running with Wine. |
| 09:17.45 | Guillotine | whoa |
| 09:17.47 | sag_ich_nicht | ^-- |
| 09:17.49 | Guillotine | after running the addon |
| 09:17.54 | Polarina | Guillotine: Yes. |
| 09:17.55 | Guillotine | with frames |
| 09:17.57 | Guillotine | a reloadui crashed it |
| 09:18.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: did you get the WoW error handler? |
| 09:18.22 | Guillotine | nope |
| 09:18.27 | sag_ich_nicht | damn |
| 09:18.28 | Guillotine | just died |
| 09:18.44 | sag_ich_nicht | i think it's related to the memory allocation error i pastey just |
| 09:19.58 | sag_ich_nicht | look don't joke about that Polarina |
| 09:20.14 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not funny, especially if it's not obvious that you're joking. |
| 09:20.35 | Polarina | s/is joking. :P/isn't joking, really./ |
| 09:20.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine hold on i have an idea why you're not getting the error handler, do you have the debugging tools for windows installed? |
| 09:21.08 | Guillotine | no |
| 09:21.18 | Guillotine | I usually get the error handler |
| 09:21.23 | sag_ich_nicht | i know |
| 09:21.23 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 09:21.28 | sag_ich_nicht | the wow error handler uses DBGHELP.DLL if it's present |
| 09:22.20 | sag_ich_nicht | so update it(or install it if it isn't present at all) by installing the debugging tools and it might catch it |
| 09:22.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/debugging/default.mspx |
| 09:23.12 | Guillotine | alright saving everything in a table now so that it doesn't get g/c. Had to lower the amount per run though |
| 09:23.14 | Guillotine | lets see what happens |
| 09:24.06 | sag_ich_nicht | i bitched on the bug report forums for years to get the DBGHELP.DLL support fixed actually, because WoW was compiled with it expecting some assold version of DBGHELP.DLL so if you had a newer version of it present, it wouldn't use it at all because it couldn't interact with it |
| 09:27.25 | Guillotine | well, I should really head to bed soon |
| 09:29.51 | Guillotine | Well, the addon takes up 600 mb and counting |
| 09:30.07 | sag_ich_nicht | try if installing the debugging tools gives you the error handler, if it doesn't at least your crash reports from other crashes will be more accurate afterwards :P |
| 09:31.40 | Guillotine | ooo, I just had an idea |
| 09:33.57 | Guillotine | haha |
| 09:34.05 | Guillotine | putting it into tables makes your WoW run fine |
| 09:34.09 | Guillotine | until the next time you reload the ui |
| 09:34.26 | reqol | what do you guys edit lua with? |
| 09:34.33 | Guillotine | SciTe |
| 09:35.07 | reqol | the repackage on wowi? |
| 09:35.43 | Guillotine | yup |
| 09:35.47 | ckknight | Text |
| 09:35.50 | ckknight | TextMate* |
| 09:35.58 | reqol | how do you like it, Guillotine? |
| 09:36.05 | reqol | I'm assuming fairly well, since you use it, but any details? |
| 09:36.23 | Guillotine | actually, I think I now use normal SciTe |
| 09:36.25 | Guillotine | but |
| 09:36.36 | Guillotine | The main reason I use it is that I can use it for everything |
| 09:36.37 | reqol | <-- is not on a mac ;/ |
| 09:36.49 | Guillotine | Lua, Python, C, html, java, ect. |
| 09:37.21 | reqol | I must do a sloppy job of commenting... |
| 09:37.27 | cncfanatics | long live vim :p |
| 09:37.42 | reqol | they are in the way, and I have no way to collapse them since they are all single-line comments |
| 09:37.50 | reqol | it occurs to me, though, that the solution is not a new editor |
| 09:41.28 | Guillotine | wow |
| 09:41.36 | Guillotine | I just made a macro that can cast multiple spells |
| 09:41.38 | Guillotine | in one press |
| 09:41.45 | Guillotine | with casting times |
| 09:42.05 | reqol | Guillotine: quick, post it on all of the class forums. |
| 09:42.26 | Guillotine | Its not that effective since it essentially locks you up in between, but its kind of cool |
| 09:43.15 | cncfanatics | nothing new there Guillotine |
| 09:44.12 | Guillotine | aww |
| 09:44.13 | Guillotine | oh well |
| 09:44.26 | Guillotine | actually, I think I might have seen something about it a while ago |
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| 09:55.15 | Guillotine | hehe, one-click killing of mobs |
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| 09:58.36 | Guillotine | anyway, night all |
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| 10:35.26 | SpiderBK | if i want to delete all values of a table, is there a better solution than creating the empty table again? |
| 10:36.43 | widger|zZz | Yes |
| 10:36.44 | widger|zZz | Much |
| 10:36.54 | widger|zZz | ./script for k, v in next, table do table[k] = nil |
| 10:37.05 | widger|zZz | end |
| 10:37.28 | SpiderBK | and why is it better? |
| 10:38.05 | widger|zZz | Because tables take up a significant amount of memory every time you make a new one, and if your code creates new tables frequently, you could trigger a garbage collection pass, which would make the game run slower briefly |
| 10:38.20 | SpiderBK | oh ok |
| 10:38.21 | nevcairiel | its a comparison of memory usage to cpu usage, if your table is very big, i would argue that creating a new table is better then runnign over the full tabel clearing it |
| 10:39.16 | SpiderBK | its not to big and it will only clear it on button click |
| 10:40.40 | Fisker- | that's what she said |
| 10:41.55 | widger|zZz | <insert appropriate your mom joke> |
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| 10:51.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, why is cia.vc always a lot of time behind on my commits ? |
| 10:51.52 | cncfanatics | I'm using email pings |
| 10:52.45 | Mikk | Possibly because the pings aren't working properly |
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| 10:53.04 | nevcairiel | email pings always lag :P |
| 10:53.11 | nevcairiel | use the XML RPC |
| 10:53.13 | cncfanatics | they're lagging several hours here |
| 10:53.21 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel talk to tem :P |
| 10:53.23 | cncfanatics | XML RPC ? |
| 10:54.26 | nevcairiel | oh and CIA is lagging in general right now |
| 10:54.40 | cncfanatics | ah k |
| 10:54.42 | cncfanatics | that explains it :p |
| 10:54.58 | cncfanatics | its a few hours behind on mine :( |
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| 11:03.02 | leethal | what do you need to do in order to get wowarmory to show you xml, not the html doc? |
| 11:03.07 | leethal | user agent stuff? |
| 11:05.51 | Polarina | leethal: Yes. |
| 11:07.18 | leethal | so what should it be in order to get the xml? |
| 11:07.30 | wereHamster | user-agent: leethal |
| 11:07.34 | Polarina | leethal: Let me check. |
| 11:07.49 | leethal | tried "rofloboflo", I still get the html |
| 11:08.11 | Polarina | leethal: "Firefox/2.0" |
| 11:08.58 | leethal | yay |
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| 11:28.55 | mikma | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165196/ |
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| 11:36.03 | Crysli | Rofl |
| 11:36.24 | Crysli | I've never seen that SP clip before. |
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| 11:54.59 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 11:55.07 | sag_ich_nicht | i think some people in here need a larting with this: http://www.geocities.com/krishna_kunchith/misc/bscs.html |
| 11:56.28 | widger|zZz | I had no idea Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was such a wonderful movie |
| 11:58.27 | zenzelezz | I'm terrible at buying clothes. Went out to get some new t-shirts, and came home with five new... DVDs |
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| 12:02.19 | nevcairiel | and no tshirt? |
| 12:02.38 | zenzelezz | none |
| 12:02.51 | zenzelezz | well, the one I was wearing when I left home, but no new ones |
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| 12:06.15 | zenzelezz | on the oher hand, these DVDs will keep me more entertained than the t-shirts would have |
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| 12:24.34 | Industrial | lol. |
| 12:27.42 | mikma | hehe :D |
| 12:29.22 | cladhaire | wow |
| 12:29.25 | cladhaire | made 80 gold today |
| 12:29.27 | cladhaire | how sad |
| 12:29.58 | Industrial | cladhaire: ? :p |
| 12:30.01 | MoonWolf | yay gold |
| 12:30.01 | Elsia | gold is massively deflated... wonder when we get a Stone of Jordan phenomenon ala DiabloII in WoW |
| 12:30.02 | Industrial | how is that sad |
| 12:30.11 | MoonWolf | Elsia, you mean inflaed |
| 12:30.13 | cladhaire | just AH |
| 12:30.14 | MoonWolf | inflated |
| 12:30.17 | MoonWolf | deflation is good |
| 12:30.17 | cladhaire | sad that i made that much |
| 12:30.23 | Elsia | inflated yes, deflated in value |
| 12:30.33 | nevcairiel | 80g? I do 250 with dailys a day <.< |
| 12:30.45 | nevcairiel | and thats only one char, i am too lazy to do it with more :P |
| 12:30.56 | Elsia | if golds trade value is maximally deflated it has no value, inflation causes this, that#s how I meant deflated |
| 12:31.39 | mikma | nevcairiel: claddie is lvl50 druid |
| 12:31.50 | nevcairiel | Elsia: what can we trade then? nether vortex? :P |
| 12:31.51 | mikma | purrrrfect! |
| 12:32.25 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: umm i'm level 48, and that was all selling shit |
| 12:32.31 | cladhaire | so it is nice |
| 12:32.35 | cladhaire | fuckerhead |
| 12:32.38 | Elsia | nevcairiel: well in diablo that's what happened, rare good because standard currency... there it was a ring drop called Stone of Jordan that was rare and useful enough to have presistent value unlike gold which was massively inflated |
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| 12:32.55 | cladhaire | i'm off to find trolls in ZF that I can solo |
| 12:32.57 | nevcairiel | yeah it was so damn easy getting gold |
| 12:33.23 | nevcairiel | not like anyone ever traded anything for gold |
| 12:33.30 | nevcairiel | you had stone of jordan or high level runes |
| 12:33.48 | nevcairiel | somehow i just feel like playing LOD again |
| 12:34.18 | cladhaire | <3 diablo |
| 12:35.00 | mikma | oh, diablo 1 & 2 <3 <3 |
| 12:35.03 | MoonWolf | Elsia, and then it got duped so bad it wasn't even funny |
| 12:35.14 | MoonWolf | and then blizzard made a mini quest to get rid of the things. |
| 12:35.20 | MoonWolf | yay diablo clone! |
| 12:35.37 | Elsia | I wonder if there is an actual way to not have gold go meaningless in a long-time MMO |
| 12:36.12 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 12:36.13 | cladhaire | 1200 xp |
| 12:36.16 | cladhaire | no troll temper =/ |
| 12:38.00 | mikma | we did play d2lod some time ago |
| 12:38.11 | mikma | but my friend used a maphack and got his ass permabanned :D |
| 12:38.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:38.40 | nevcairiel | hrm where is my CD |
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| 12:39.02 | Lunessa | ... station |
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| 12:40.00 | mikma | Lunessa: i'd like to by 'a' like 'alpha' |
| 12:40.14 | cladhaire | ohai? |
| 12:40.21 | widgertick | icanhaztrolltemper? |
| 12:40.27 | Lunessa | I'd like to have an argument please. |
| 12:40.52 | cladhaire | i only need 3 more! |
| 12:41.01 | mikma | Lunessa: earth is round. go |
| 12:41.02 | cladhaire | and there's enough single patrols here that's not too bad going |
| 12:41.16 | cladhaire | barkskin makes it possible :P |
| 12:41.31 | Lunessa | mimka ... your line is "I've told you once ... " |
| 12:41.36 | cladhaire | that and being +4 levels |
| 12:42.10 | mikma | ok let's try that one more time |
| 12:42.13 | mikma | Lunessa: even girls play wow |
| 12:42.21 | Lunessa | LIES! |
| 12:43.52 | nevcairiel | clady where is lua_bot ? :( |
| 12:45.24 | cladhaire | uhh |
| 12:45.27 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 12:45.27 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 12:46.15 | cladhaire | something happened at 9am |
| 12:46.16 | cladhaire | dunn owhat |
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| 13:06.59 | SpiderBK | why is it when have a table like dist3Enemy = {["Shoot"] = {5,30,},} and do for index,value in ipairs(dist3Enemy) do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(index.." : "..value) end that there is no output and no error msg? |
| 13:07.24 | nevcairiel | use "pairs" |
| 13:07.27 | nevcairiel | not ipairs |
| 13:07.35 | nevcairiel | ipairs is for integer indexed tables |
| 13:07.40 | nevcairiel | you are using a hash table though |
| 13:07.43 | nevcairiel | so you need pairs |
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| 13:07.52 | SpiderBK | oh ok |
| 13:10.20 | SpiderBK | hm now i get this error msg, attempt to concatenate local 'value' (a table value). do i need a second loop for the value table? |
| 13:11.22 | nevcairiel | if you want to see the contents, yes |
| 13:12.38 | SpiderBK | so can i do it like that: for index,value in pairs(dist3Enemy) do |
| 13:12.38 | SpiderBK | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.38 | SpiderBK | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.38 | SpiderBK | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.38 | SpiderBK | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.43 | SpiderBK | ups |
| 13:12.57 | Mikk | Yes |
| 13:13.14 | SpiderBK | ok thx |
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| 13:36.36 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, should one seperate spell ,item, macro and pet spells if they have quite some code in common ? |
| 13:37.46 | [dRaCo] | smells like oop |
| 13:38.14 | cncfanatics | oop = object oriented programming ? if so, yep :p |
| 13:38.27 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 13:38.28 | cncfanatics | I'm wondering wether to put everything into one class and thus one file, or seperate classes and duplicate some code |
| 13:39.09 | [dRaCo] | no way to inherit the code from some superclass? |
| 13:39.33 | cncfanatics | the code ain't shared enough to do that |
| 13:39.46 | cncfanatics | its basicly the same code over and over, but using GetItemName, GetSpellname, etc respectivly |
| 13:40.25 | [dRaCo] | maybe using Get*Name as a parameter for the constructor? |
| 13:40.37 | cncfanatics | well, its not only that function |
| 13:40.40 | cncfanatics | its all the other code too |
| 13:40.52 | cncfanatics | + some slightly different handling here and there |
| 13:41.47 | [dRaCo] | I'd put it in one class, then... sounds like it would be a pain to maintain otherwise |
| 13:41.51 | Mikk | You're not gonna get good advice from someone that hasn't read and understood all of your code tbh :P |
| 13:42.00 | cncfanatics | well, in general |
| 13:42.12 | Mikk | Generalisms fail =/ |
| 13:42.23 | [dRaCo] | lots of files with duplicate code tend to produce lots of c&p errors |
| 13:42.26 | cncfanatics | if something shares quite a lot of code but not enough to not have to duplicate it if you seperate it, would you still make multiple classes, or only a single one ? |
| 13:42.54 | Mikk | For maintenance reasons i'd probably keep it combined |
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| 13:59.27 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5974480177&sid=1 -- For some people language itself is a difficult concept... |
| 14:00.48 | nevcairiel | I dont really understand what that poster wants to tell me, at all |
| 14:01.05 | Lunessa | my point exactly. |
| 14:01.06 | nevcairiel | " I'll just have to think up new ways to combine things in ways that I can combine" |
| 14:02.14 | cncfanatics | you can traduct that as I'll just have to think about how to talk decent english |
| 14:04.34 | Lunessa | It's like the instructions printed on chopsticks... "Please to be enjoying your nice Chinese Food with Chopstick." |
| 14:06.02 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 14:07.33 | Lunessa | Oh jebus... it's the NecroBumps from hell day. |
| 14:19.39 | JoshBorke | he obviously wants to be able to put conditions on each step in a cast sequence |
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| 14:27.19 | nevcairiel | ~logs |
| 14:27.20 | purl | logs is, like, apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 14:33.51 | SpiderBK | is there an option in firefox to reopen all pages that were open when closing it? |
| 14:34.08 | JoshBorke | if you get an extension like tabmix plus |
| 14:34.13 | JoshBorke | firefox 3 supports it out of the box |
| 14:34.15 | JoshBorke | but is still beta |
| 14:34.30 | SpiderBK | where do i get this beta version? |
| 14:34.39 | JoshBorke | google |
| 14:34.44 | JoshBorke | !google firefox 3 beta |
| 14:34.44 | batbot | JoshBorke: Firefox web browser | International versions: Get Firefox in your ... <http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/all-beta.html> |
| 14:34.53 | JoshBorke | huh |
| 14:34.55 | JoshBorke | that was hard... |
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| 14:35.42 | Lunessa | FireFox 2.x will restore a session if it's closed unexpectedly. |
| 14:37.38 | SpiderBK | is it possible to have the tabs at the bottom? |
| 14:38.02 | JoshBorke | dunno |
| 14:38.19 | nevcairiel | dont think out of the box |
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| 14:39.09 | SpiderBK | do i need to download plugins for such things? im used to a full customizable browser and dont understand why everybody is so exited about ff o_O |
| 14:39.30 | JoshBorke | then don't use it? |
| 14:39.35 | JoshBorke | yes, you need extensions |
| 14:41.10 | SpiderBK | looks like im gona remove it again, after 5min, lol not what i expected from this browser |
| 14:44.37 | Lunessa | If you had one you were happy with, why knock the one you're not using for not being the one you're happy with? That's like bagging on your mistress for not being your wie. |
| 14:44.44 | Lunessa | wife. |
| 14:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Lunessa-dear. *hug* |
| 14:47.13 | Shirik | SpiderBK: Why would you want to have a program with kitchen sink already in it? |
| 14:47.34 | Lunessa | Morning Lopeppeppy - How's the NY Mistress today? |
| 14:48.29 | Lopeppeppy | If mornings didn't exist I'd be doing fine, handsome. How's the beach? |
| 14:49.10 | Lunessa | The commute is a bit harsh, but vacation starts tonight - so I'll be in LA for the next two weeks. |
| 14:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, gods, that's right! *happy hug* |
| 14:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... Auctioneer Advanced or Classic? *le sigh* |
| 14:52.15 | Mikk | advanced |
| 14:52.29 | Lunessa | I gave up on using it. |
| 14:53.08 | Mikk | classic will be abandonware as soon as possible |
| 14:53.13 | Mikk | so no point getting used to it |
| 14:53.28 | Lopeppeppy | I blew up my KC Items database with a very bad crash. Since I'm out a bunch of data, I figure I might as well get Auctioneer like the rest of my raid bank assistants... |
| 14:53.32 | Lopeppeppy | Advanced it is then. |
| 14:53.35 | cncfanatics | :SetAttribute("type", item"); :SetAttribute("item", "itemlink:ITEMLINKHERE"); should work right ? |
| 14:54.20 | Lunessa | I just don't play the Auction House enough to make it worth installing. I suppose I should if I wanted to make " |
| 14:54.25 | Lunessa | "phat cash" |
| 14:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | I don't either, but I do use it to provide an average price quote for members to buy overstock from our raid bank.... And I no longer have average price quotes, so meh. |
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| 15:01.10 | Mikk | You need to scan lots to get sane prices though |
| 15:01.14 | Mikk | I mean.. the averages are kinda poop |
| 15:01.20 | Mikk | What you want is average puchase prices |
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| 15:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | I know, it's going to take a good while to build back up a database. I'm going to see if I can get a zip of some nice gooey saved variables from one of the others, so we're all on the same page. |
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| 15:10.04 | cncfanatics | great |
| 15:10.08 | cncfanatics | bug in WoW :( |
| 15:10.17 | cncfanatics | PickupItem("itemlink"); |
| 15:10.21 | cncfanatics | CursorHasItem(); |
| 15:10.25 | cncfanatics | CursorHasItem() == nil |
| 15:10.41 | cncfanatics | anyone around that can report that to blizz ? |
| 15:11.05 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: give me exactly what you want posted and i will |
| 15:11.17 | cncfanatics | I didn't make a post |
| 15:11.23 | cncfanatics | just found out it was bugged |
| 15:11.32 | Mikk | Erm do you even use PickupItem like that? |
| 15:11.45 | cncfanatics | I do when pickup up from my actionbuttons |
| 15:11.53 | nevcairiel | try item name or itemID |
| 15:12.03 | nevcairiel | not link |
| 15:12.05 | Xinhuan | i thought its PickUpItem(bag, slot) |
| 15:12.06 | cncfanatics | PickupItem("itemlink"); picks up the item just fine ... |
| 15:12.18 | cncfanatics | and GetCursorInfo() returns the item link back just fine too |
| 15:12.23 | cncfanatics | its just CursorHasItem() that returns nil |
| 15:12.29 | Vangual | what happens when you pickup an itemlink you don't have? |
| 15:12.30 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: thats PickupInventoryItem :P |
| 15:12.32 | Mikk | that's likely because it doesnt have an item |
| 15:12.36 | Xinhuan | oh ;p |
| 15:12.39 | Mikk | it'll have a spell or so |
| 15:12.49 | Mikk | i.e. "use <itemlink>" |
| 15:13.10 | Mikk | for the same reason that you cant e.g. drag a healpot from your actionbar to a trade/mail window |
| 15:13.19 | nevcairiel | yeah cursor having a item is a real item from inventory or so |
| 15:13.35 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.48 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.50 | Mikk | Yeah, if it picks it out of your bags, it'll be an item |
| 15:13.59 | cncfanatics | "item", 19029, .... bla |
| 15:14.07 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.08 | cncfanatics | nil |
| 15:14.16 | Mikk | Or not even then |
| 15:14.29 | cncfanatics | GetCursorInfo gets an item, there is no reason CursorHasItem returns nil |
| 15:14.47 | Mikk | Well.. ther eis |
| 15:14.47 | cncfanatics | CursorHasSpell() is also nil |
| 15:15.03 | cncfanatics | how so Mikk ? |
| 15:15.11 | Mikk | See, you're not telling it to pick up a specific item (out of a certain bag/slot -- think "i have multiple" here) |
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| 15:15.22 | Mikk | You've got the ability to USE the item on your cursor |
| 15:15.23 | cncfanatics | there is an item on the cursor though |
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| 15:15.30 | Mikk | I.e. wear or use an ability on it |
| 15:15.36 | Mikk | That's two very different things |
| 15:15.41 | Zhinjio | Good morning, folks. |
| 15:15.46 | cncfanatics | I'm not quite sure I follow you |
| 15:15.53 | cncfanatics | the cursor ain't a 'glowing hand' |
| 15:16.02 | Mikk | No, it is something you can put in an actionbar |
| 15:16.05 | cncfanatics | yes indeed |
| 15:16.10 | Mikk | But not something you can put in a trade window |
| 15:16.32 | cncfanatics | why does WoW even make that difference ? |
| 15:16.33 | Mikk | CursorHasItem() returns true when you can put it in a trade/mail/bank window |
| 15:16.43 | cncfanatics | thats silly -.- |
| 15:16.49 | Mikk | Makes oodles of sense to me |
| 15:17.20 | JoshBorke | anybody know anything about Guillotine's new mod, TooMuchData |
| 15:18.16 | cncfanatics | doesn't make any sense to me that you can place an item on the actionbars but not in the trade |
| 15:18.33 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: that was done a while ago |
| 15:18.40 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: the idea beingy ou have to be tehre to do trades |
| 15:19.12 | JoshBorke | it was done before the expansion came out |
| 15:19.24 | cncfanatics | its anoying, I was using it to check wether there was something on the cursor for fb |
| 15:19.36 | cncfanatics | leads to very anoying to track bugs when you don't know that :'( |
| 15:19.48 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: GetCursorInfo doesn't always provide something? |
| 15:20.02 | cncfanatics | it does |
| 15:20.09 | cncfanatics | using that now |
| 15:20.18 | cncfanatics | I was using CursorHasItem() because its slightly faster |
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| 15:21.18 | cncfanatics | works perfectly now, thanks Mikk |
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| 15:27.30 | Shirik | you know, with 10 million boxes out there |
| 15:27.52 | Shirik | what would the impact be of putting calculations for pi out in an addon library |
| 15:27.56 | Shirik | to do background work |
| 15:28.08 | cncfanatics | the impact would be noone downloading said addon |
| 15:28.14 | Shirik | how would they know |
| 15:28.17 | Snago | Shirik: Why would you want to? |
| 15:28.36 | Shirik | because it's a lot of computing power |
| 15:29.34 | Snago | Who need more than 10 million digits of pi anyway? Better use the computer power to factorize large numbers or fold protiens ;P |
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| 15:30.37 | Shirik | what if I need a really really really accurate circle icon |
| 15:30.45 | Shirik | I have 20 billion pixels per inch |
| 15:30.58 | cncfanatics | then you fail |
| 15:32.25 | Lunessa | ~fail Shirik |
| 15:32.25 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 15:32.51 | Shirik | :< |
| 15:32.51 | MentalPower|ZzZz | ~failrik |
| 15:32.52 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:33.08 | MentalPower | Shirik: how would you gather the results? |
| 15:33.09 | Snago | "Pi to the 49th decimal place is accurate enough to inscribe a perfect circle around the universe and only be off by a few microns." |
| 15:33.50 | Lunessa | Maybe he wants to be a few micros more accurate? |
| 15:33.54 | Shirik | I use quantnum particles as pixels |
| 15:34.45 | cncfanatics | ain't a micron smaller then that ? |
| 15:35.20 | Shirik | I use shirons |
| 15:35.26 | Shirik | they're smaller than everything ever seen, ever |
| 15:35.37 | nevcairiel | ~lartrik |
| 15:35.55 | Shirik | ~fail nevcairiel |
| 15:35.56 | purl | nevcairiel, you Fail! |
| 15:36.12 | Lunessa | Shirik: Not smaller than the line between hot and cold on my #@#%%!! shower. |
| 15:36.18 | nevcairiel | someone should add that |
| 15:36.19 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:36.22 | nevcairiel | ~failrik is so old |
| 15:36.23 | purl | ...but failrik is already something else... |
| 15:36.28 | nevcairiel | ~failrik |
| 15:36.29 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:36.43 | Shirik | it's ok Lunessa, I have the same problem :p |
| 15:36.48 | Shirik | by the time I figure it out, I'm out of hot water |
| 15:36.55 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:37.02 | Lunessa | So if you're going to steal computing time... fucking steal it to solve THAT |
| 15:37.16 | cncfanatics | yea, steal computing time to fix Lunessa's shower :p |
| 15:37.43 | Lunessa | That program? It'll amke you RICH. |
| 15:37.47 | Lunessa | RICH I SAY! |
| 15:37.56 | Shirik | I bet I could code an arduino to do it |
| 15:38.45 | cncfanatics | I bet I could code Lunessa to do it |
| 15:39.03 | Shirik | Lunessa = robot? |
| 15:39.06 | Lunessa | Lunessa is too f'ing lazy to write code for that. |
| 15:39.19 | Shirik | that would be a great OS |
| 15:39.25 | Shirik | you know what, I'm going to write an OS |
| 15:39.35 | Shirik | if it detects the code is complicated it will be like "I'm too lazy to do that, sorry." |
| 15:39.41 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 15:39.42 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa = robot? |
| 15:39.43 | Shirik | like if it tries to make more than 2 threads |
| 15:40.26 | Lunessa | Shirik: I want royalties. |
| 15:40.28 | Mikk | "Pi to the 49th decimal place is accurate enough to inscribe a perfect circle around the universe and only be off by a few microns." <- Note that you fail to see the funny here. The universe is infinite, so, by definition, the error would also be infinitely large. |
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| 15:40.41 | Shirik | the universe is also always growing |
| 15:40.55 | Shirik | ^ that statement makes my head explode |
| 15:41.03 | cncfanatics | actualy |
| 15:41.07 | Shirik | theorists are so strange sometimes |
| 15:41.09 | cncfanatics | the error is a few microns out of infinite |
| 15:41.14 | cncfanatics | so that is very near zero |
| 15:41.17 | cncfanatics | and totaly not infinite |
| 15:41.29 | Shirik | a few miles out of infinite is zero percentage wise |
| 15:41.34 | nevcairiel | the universe is expanding .. not sure you can say growing on something infinite |
| 15:41.39 | Shirik | but that's not Mikk's point |
| 15:41.54 | Mikk | A fraction of infinity is infinity |
| 15:42.08 | Shirik | Mikk's point is that you can't inscribe a perfect circle around something infinite without making it infinite size |
| 15:42.09 | nevcairiel | but then is there a place where there is no matter at all where the known matter can expand to? :D |
| 15:42.22 | Shirik | given the portion of error, there must be an infinite error |
| 15:42.42 | Shirik | nevcairiel: This is why I leave it to the theorists |
| 15:42.44 | nevcairiel | just add "known universe" to the statement |
| 15:42.49 | Lunessa | Is there "space" when the universe hasn't expanded there yet? The things we pay people to think about. :) |
| 15:42.50 | Mikk | nevcairiel: or view it as pumping in more space between an infinite number of objects spread out over infinity |
| 15:42.51 | Shirik | this is what they say, all I care about is our solar system for now :p |
| 15:43.05 | Mikk | (omg i just made sense in cosmic theory.... ) |
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| 15:43.29 | nevcairiel | then theory says that at one point it expands too much and implodes back |
| 15:43.35 | JoshBorke | hot grits is hot |
| 15:43.46 | Shirik | only when someone figures out the meaning of life, the universe, and everything |
| 15:43.59 | nevcairiel | thats already been done |
| 15:44.01 | nevcairiel | its 42 |
| 15:44.08 | Shirik | yeah but you don't understand the meaning of it |
| 15:44.18 | Shirik | please don't try to |
| 15:44.25 | JoshBorke | obviously 6 times 9 |
| 15:44.26 | Shirik | I need to get through school first at least |
| 15:44.46 | cncfanatics | less theory, more coding |
| 15:44.49 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you know what's out there where space is not? Jello! |
| 15:45.05 | nevcairiel | lua> string.format("%X", 42) |
| 15:45.05 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 2A |
| 15:45.06 | Lunessa | ... Lime Jell-O |
| 15:45.17 | Lopeppeppy | Made with tequila? |
| 15:45.41 | nevcairiel | 2A is what .. 0010 1010 ? |
| 15:45.44 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 15:45.57 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 15:46.07 | Shirik | ! |
| 15:46.10 | Shirik | it's high entropy! |
| 15:46.21 | Shirik | and the entropy of the universe is always increasing |
| 15:46.35 | nevcairiel | so at some points its AA and not 2A anymore? :P |
| 15:46.38 | Mikk | But if you inject more empty space, shouldn't it be decreasing? |
| 15:46.51 | Mikk | Empty space is fairly unentropic |
| 15:46.51 | Shirik | ow |
| 15:46.59 | Shirik | my head just exploded a second time |
| 15:47.07 | Shirik | like all the little pieces that were everywhere |
| 15:47.09 | Shirik | they exploded |
| 15:47.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:47.35 | Lunessa | space, unlike matter or energy does not appear to decay. |
| 15:47.57 | Lunessa | Pan-Galatic Gargle Blaster |
| 15:47.59 | Shirik | Mikk: Who said it was empty space? |
| 15:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, you're on, Lunessa. |
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| 15:49.08 | Lunessa | The effect of which is like having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick. |
| 15:50.36 | Shirik | hm |
| 15:50.43 | Shirik | Y170,141,183,460,469,231,731,687,303,715,884,105K |
| 15:50.46 | Shirik | aweosome |
| 15:51.12 | Shirik | in the year 170,141,183,460,469,231,731,687,303,715,884,105,727, 128-bit time will break and we will have a repeat of Y2K |
| 15:51.58 | Shirik | fortunately, scientists have predicted that this is after the end of the universe |
| 15:51.58 | Adys | Shirik, did you see the y10k article on wikipedia the other day? |
| 15:51.58 | JoshBorke | Shirik: hopefully we'll have time to prepare |
| 15:51.58 | Shirik | Adys: yup, reviewing it now :) |
| 15:51.59 | Adys | :D |
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| 15:53.19 | Adys | yay |
| 15:53.22 | Adys | Thanks for signing up to try Google App Engine! Your account has been activated, so you can begin building applications. To start creating applications with Google App Engine, simply follow this link: http://appengine.google.com/ |
| 15:54.37 | Shirik | you know, I would love to know what truly would happen |
| 15:54.40 | Shirik | at the end of the universe |
| 15:54.48 | Adys | overflow error |
| 15:55.37 | Shirik | supposedly this is what the universe will look like in 10^150 years: |
| 15:55.41 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Photon_waves.png |
| 15:56.24 | Adys | That is just hot |
| 15:56.26 | amro | I think it would look more like http://www.wowinterface.com/endoftheworld.png |
| 15:56.44 | Adys | a 404 error? |
| 15:56.48 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 15:57.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:57.07 | Shirik | 404: Matter not found |
| 15:57.53 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?q=congratulations+you+have+reached+the+end+of+the+internet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 15:59.41 | Lunessa | The Universe you are attempting to contact could not be found. Possible causes are: Proton Decay, Collapsing into a Point Mass, or that you have misdialed. |
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| 16:03.32 | Shirik | http://www.bloodbook.com/end-net.htm |
| 16:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | 404 Error. Universe Not Found. |
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| 16:14.29 | malreth | *yawn* |
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| 16:23.38 | malreth | http://3trillion.org/ |
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| 17:04.15 | wereHamster | art3mis, was on slashdot yesterday :) |
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| 17:04.52 | art3mis | yeah i dont read that stupid site |
| 17:05.47 | Kalroth | You prefer being days late then?! |
| 17:06.12 | art3mis | better late than slashdot i always say |
| 17:06.42 | wereHamster | hm.. why? |
| 17:06.54 | wereHamster | why do you hate /. so much? |
| 17:07.03 | art3mis | i knew too many of the people in the early days from irc and most of them were irritating |
| 17:07.10 | Kalroth | He got moderated down once |
| 17:07.13 | Kalroth | And now he hates them |
| 17:07.16 | art3mis | to me it's a site full of people like sag ;) |
| 17:07.24 | nevcairiel | it is, actually |
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| 17:07.30 | art3mis | actually ive never even visited it ;P |
| 17:07.47 | art3mis | i just know most of them from irc ;P |
| 17:07.53 | KGB | Hi everybody. |
| 17:07.55 | art3mis | i dont need to go there and wate my BW |
| 17:08.01 | art3mis | hi dr.nick |
| 17:08.20 | leethal | is there a repository of WoW spell/ability/item icons somewhere? Say, when you parse armory and get 'spell_holy_arcaneintellect' on current buffs. |
| 17:08.37 | KGB | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.44 | wereHamster | KGB, you may want to /join #WoWUIDev-commits because that's where CIA is.. |
| 17:09.15 | KGB | I eat CIA agents for dinner |
| 17:09.23 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/promo.jpg |
| 17:09.52 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: any way to change the hostmask of people that use the Java IRC client? |
| 17:10.11 | MentalPower | ie, something like Cosmos@IPAddy ? |
| 17:10.54 | art3mis | hey kgb where are you? |
| 17:11.14 | KGB | NYC |
| 17:11.27 | art3mis | yeah but which borough ;P |
| 17:11.33 | KGB | Guess |
| 17:11.40 | KGB | Key world KGB |
| 17:11.41 | art3mis | bk ;P |
| 17:11.48 | KGB | well your on the money now. |
| 17:11.58 | KGB | ;-) |
| 17:12.04 | art3mis | and about 78th and ave u ;P |
| 17:12.07 | art3mis | heh |
| 17:12.23 | KGB | no but somewhere around there. |
| 17:12.32 | art3mis | <-- crownheights |
| 17:12.59 | KGB | Come on man, You should know that all Russians like to live by the water. |
| 17:13.14 | art3mis | heh |
| 17:13.20 | art3mis | brighton beach? |
| 17:13.32 | KGB | So where can I get some Tech Support... |
| 17:13.32 | art3mis | makes corpse disposal easier i hear ;P |
| 17:13.35 | KGB | Yeah around there. |
| 17:13.41 | Fisker- | art3mis |
| 17:13.43 | Fisker- | i will kill you |
| 17:13.43 | art3mis | peky russians |
| 17:13.49 | art3mis | pesky |
| 17:13.57 | Fisker- | racist |
| 17:14.04 | Fisker- | so just because they're russians they're pesky? |
| 17:14.04 | art3mis | not at all |
| 17:14.06 | art3mis | im canadian |
| 17:14.17 | art3mis | all russians are okay in my books because they can play hockey ;P |
| 17:14.24 | KGB | Thank you. |
| 17:14.26 | Fisker- | so just because you're canadian russians are pesky? |
| 17:14.27 | KGB | also poker. |
| 17:14.28 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 17:14.30 | art3mis | they're just pesky cuz there's so many of them |
| 17:15.03 | KGB | thats becuase we control the flow of money. |
| 17:15.12 | Fisker- | bai |
| 17:15.21 | art3mis | poker, reverse engineering, warez sites, corpse disposal |
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| 17:15.30 | art3mis | russians have many skills of a very wide variety |
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| 17:15.59 | KGB | Corpse Disposal is my fav one. |
| 17:16.01 | art3mis | so what tech support did you need? |
| 17:16.18 | KGB | my /mn -tloc isnt working =( |
| 17:16.38 | art3mis | mapnotes? |
| 17:16.40 | KGB | when I try to update cosmos it wont connect to the server. |
| 17:16.52 | KGB | is that the name of the adonn? |
| 17:17.07 | art3mis | im guessing from the /mn |
| 17:17.17 | KGB | well yeah.. |
| 17:17.26 | art3mis | i'd yell at anduin or Cid |
| 17:17.29 | art3mis | err Cide |
| 17:17.38 | art3mis | cosmos is thier baby |
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| 17:18.17 | MentalPower | cide is not cosmos :) |
| 17:18.22 | art3mis | shhhhhh |
| 17:18.28 | KGB | lol hey! |
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| 17:18.36 | art3mis | cide is my official go to guy for ALL addons |
| 17:18.41 | art3mis | whether he wrote them or not |
| 17:18.51 | art3mis | cuz he's TOTALLY a people person and so friendly |
| 17:18.51 | cladhaire | KGB not connecting to the server is typically a firewall issue. |
| 17:19.10 | cladhaire | KGB: http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?p=66790 |
| 17:19.23 | MentalPower | Fisker-: chill |
| 17:19.26 | art3mis | clads alright too even though it's a brit now ;) |
| 17:19.39 | MentalPower | Fisker-: its a lighthearted conversation, and you know it |
| 17:19.41 | art3mis | err he's |
| 17:19.58 | art3mis | MentalPower: nothing fisker says means anything ;P |
| 17:19.59 | KGB | OK let me check it out. |
| 17:20.06 | MentalPower | art3mis: granted |
| 17:20.11 | art3mis | besides i am racist ;P |
| 17:20.16 | art3mis | i have the human race |
| 17:20.19 | art3mis | hate |
| 17:20.24 | MentalPower | lol |
| 17:20.43 | art3mis | my goal in my grade 12 year book was to commit omnicide some day |
| 17:21.34 | MentalPower | did they let you write that in the yearbook? |
| 17:21.38 | art3mis | yup |
| 17:21.46 | MentalPower | wow, nice |
| 17:21.56 | art3mis | they felt it was safer not to cause a fuss |
| 17:22.05 | KGB | I disabled my firewall and it still wont update.. |
| 17:22.08 | art3mis | then they banned me from the grad ceremonys |
| 17:22.08 | MentalPower | granted |
| 17:22.16 | MentalPower | lol |
| 17:22.31 | art3mis | they had police and everything in case i showed up heh |
| 17:22.35 | MentalPower | you must've been a real sweetheart :P |
| 17:22.47 | art3mis | loveable as a rabid wolverine |
| 17:22.55 | KGB | brb |
| 17:23.01 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: do you know about anything that fires when a macro changes texture ? |
| 17:23.11 | cladhaire | not offhand |
| 17:23.15 | art3mis | actually it was because of a few incidents that happen during the school year they were 100% sure i was the mastermind behind but could never prove |
| 17:23.34 | cncfanatics | I'm currently updating macro textures OnUpdate, which feels ugly, and can't find any other clean way to do it |
| 17:23.44 | art3mis | april fools day all the external locks to the school got krazy glued |
| 17:24.03 | art3mis | we had school disassemlby day and collected 5 lbs of screws from various things in the school |
| 17:24.05 | MentalPower | o dear |
| 17:24.17 | art3mis | i had the master key to the school |
| 17:24.26 | cncfanatics | art3mis: how did you get your hands on that ? |
| 17:24.31 | zenzelezz | art3mis: the next day a lot of those things fell apart? |
| 17:24.42 | art3mis | i found it in the tunnels one night when i elft the basement door propped open |
| 17:24.44 | leethal | any suggestion on where to get a hold of the various icons in WoW as jpg/png/something? inv_misc_cape_09, spell_holy_arcaneintellect etc., the icon names you get from e.g. the armory. |
| 17:24.53 | art3mis | one of the janitors must have left it so i scooped it |
| 17:25.02 | cncfanatics | what an idiots |
| 17:25.06 | art3mis | heh |
| 17:25.17 | art3mis | we used to go in there sometimes after skating and eat all the creamcicles |
| 17:25.36 | art3mis | surprisingly for the amount of people that knew i had it i was never ratted |
| 17:25.53 | wereHamster | leethal, doesn't the blizzard addon kit extract the artwork as well? |
| 17:26.02 | MentalPower | it does |
| 17:26.07 | leethal | ah |
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| 17:27.18 | art3mis | i painted my locker black one day |
| 17:27.24 | art3mis | accidently hung myself |
| 17:27.39 | art3mis | and kept the cut noose in my locker to remind me not to tie a good knot next time |
| 17:27.44 | art3mis | yeah it was a fun school year |
| 17:27.50 | cncfanatics | what the ? :s |
| 17:28.00 | art3mis | they accused me ocne of putting a virus on thier computers from a pc-globe CD |
| 17:28.18 | art3mis | as though somehow i could laser etch the cd |
| 17:28.21 | cncfanatics | computers in most schools are so shit any idiot could put a virus on them |
| 17:28.30 | art3mis | there was no virus |
| 17:28.32 | cncfanatics | (in mine they are at least) |
| 17:28.35 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 17:28.36 | art3mis | we just had the master novell passwd |
| 17:28.42 | MentalPower | lol |
| 17:28.46 | art3mis | so we'd sign out books for people |
| 17:28.46 | cncfanatics | lovely |
| 17:28.57 | art3mis | cuz they read them in first period when they were overdue |
| 17:29.19 | art3mis | nothing says funny like popular kids getting reminded to bring back thier pregnancy and venereal disease books |
| 17:29.20 | cncfanatics | how did you get your hands on that passwd btw ? |
| 17:29.24 | MentalPower | art3mis: I almost missed this one, you *accidentally* hung yourself? |
| 17:29.27 | art3mis | the admin was a retard |
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| 17:29.37 | art3mis | and my grandparents went to church with him so i guessed it |
| 17:29.42 | art3mis | yeah |
| 17:29.48 | cncfanatics | how can you accidently hang yourself ? |
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| 17:29.59 | art3mis | on ehlloween i grabbed a rope and made a noose from it for my costume |
| 17:30.12 | art3mis | at lunch i got bored adnd tied a big not at the other end |
| 17:30.27 | cncfanatics | not smart eh ? |
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| 17:30.40 | art3mis | when i got back i walked up onto the set we had and looped the rope loosely around the banister and jumped on the urging of my classmates |
| 17:30.52 | art3mis | fergot about the knot and it almost asphixiated me |
| 17:31.03 | art3mis | it got hung up between the banister poles |
| 17:31.07 | cncfanatics | somehow I find that hilarious lol :p |
| 17:31.11 | art3mis | i did too |
| 17:31.19 | art3mis | principle and vice not so much |
| 17:31.25 | MentalPower | wow, not a very smart move :P |
| 17:31.33 | art3mis | thats why i had it in my locker |
| 17:31.42 | cncfanatics | puttign a knot in it in the first place is not very smart |
| 17:31.42 | art3mis | to remind me not to do it again ;P |
| 17:31.56 | art3mis | it was a great noose though |
| 17:31.56 | cncfanatics | never put a knot around anything close to your neck |
| 17:32.11 | art3mis | had i been 6" shorter i would have snapped my neck |
| 17:32.18 | art3mis | i miss judgeed the length of therope too and that you compress when you land from a 8 foot jump |
| 17:32.48 | art3mis | heh grade 12 was so much fun |
| 17:32.58 | art3mis | the jewish socials teacher hated me |
| 17:33.05 | cncfanatics | I'm in my 12th grade atm heh |
| 17:33.19 | cncfanatics | 3 months to go |
| 17:33.25 | MentalPower | art3mis: how long ago was this? |
| 17:33.26 | art3mis | i used to cross out his russian wwii stuff about stalin and write in that stalin killed 30 million chrisitians of his own people |
| 17:33.27 | cncfanatics | and I'm wondering wether I'll pass |
| 17:33.39 | art3mis | about umm about 15 years ago |
| 17:33.42 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 17:33.54 | art3mis | 16 |
| 17:34.00 | cncfanatics | so, you're 34 ? |
| 17:34.02 | art3mis | unless my math sucks horribly today |
| 17:34.05 | art3mis | 35 |
| 17:34.26 | art3mis | i took a year off between 11 and 12 |
| 17:34.32 | cncfanatics | ah k |
| 17:34.55 | art3mis | i had an awesome job at the arcade that was full time and i was the manager ;P |
| 17:35.03 | art3mis | 18yo making 2k/mn |
| 17:35.09 | art3mis | for doing SFA |
| 17:35.10 | MentalPower | nice |
| 17:35.11 | cncfanatics | nice :o |
| 17:35.12 | art3mis | it was awesome |
| 17:35.12 | cncfanatics | GIEV :p |
| 17:35.17 | cncfanatics | btw, on a totaly different subject, does anyone know an elegant way to update macro textures if they're not on actionbuttons ? |
| 17:35.32 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.35 | MentalPower | not OnUpdate? |
| 17:36.07 | MentalPower | lua> string.byte(" ") |
| 17:36.08 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 32 |
| 17:36.20 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.35 | cncfanatics | currently doing it OnUpdate, which is nasty |
| 17:36.42 | cncfanatics | two GetModifiedAttribute calls OnUpdate is a huge waste |
| 17:37.23 | MentalPower | cncfanatics: check how the actionbar does it? |
| 17:37.31 | MentalPower | I have no clue TBH |
| 17:37.42 | cncfanatics | the actionbars trigger an event when they need their texture refreshed |
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| 17:37.46 | cncfanatics | the event is triggered from C code |
| 17:37.48 | cncfanatics | so I can't look it at |
| 17:38.24 | MentalPower | where are your macros if not on the actionbar? |
| 17:38.51 | cncfanatics | custom buttons |
| 17:39.04 | MentalPower | ah, point |
| 17:40.03 | cncfanatics | any ideas ? |
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| 17:53.42 | Vilkku | could someone guide me a bit using .noomnicc to hide the cooldown timer on certain frames? I want to hide the cooldown on one certain mod (not my own) and I need some guiding in what to change/add and where |
| 17:56.39 | zenzelezz | must restrain desire to slaughter beggars in Assassin's Creed... |
| 18:00.26 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, kill 'me all, zenzelezz. |
| 18:01.21 | zenzelezz | what annoys me even more about the game is that any time you save a citizen, you're punished by having your camera locked for 15-20 seconds or something, letting the guards catch on to you |
| 18:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Are you supposed to save citizens? |
| 18:02.39 | cncfanatics | kill'em all ! |
| 18:03.33 | amro | citizens? there are two things in that game. targets and you |
| 18:06.14 | cncfanatics | any macro experts around ? |
| 18:07.57 | Vangual | Vilkku: when you create the button you don't want used with omnicc you just define myframe.noomnicc = true |
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| 18:24.06 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. | Congrats Kirov on your [month old, you rat, you didn't tell us!] engagement! |
| 18:24.07 | dylanm | It takes me a couple tries :p |
| 18:24.11 | cncfanatics | I'm glad I can clear cookies and change my IP |
| 18:24.48 | Gnarfoz | <dylanm> Thanks, Germany! <-- you're welcome. thanks for what, though? |
| 18:25.19 | dylanm | cncfanatics: Er, it doesn't give you another shot if you enter it incorrectly? |
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| 18:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: write a small addon that does it for you. local frame=CreateFrame("frame") frame:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_ADDON") frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(...) local _, _, a, b, c, d = ... ChatFrame1:AddMessage(a..b..c..d) end) |
| 18:26.09 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: thanks, already found something, though (although that doesn't use more code than what you said, either :o)) |
| 18:26.10 | cncfanatic1 | does rapidshare want to prevent abuse or piss people off ? |
| 18:26.15 | cncfanatic1 | a script could find out where cats are |
| 18:26.17 | cncfanatic1 | a human couldn't |
| 18:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:26.19 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 18:26.39 | wereHamster | cncfanatic1, rapidshare is stupid, so why use it anyway? |
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| 18:26.46 | cncfanatic1 | because I need a file hosted there : |
| 18:27.04 | cncfanatic1 | http://rs161.rapidshare.com/files/49915167/dlls.tar.bz2 me needs |
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| 18:27.32 | dylanm | That's clearly farm porn. |
| 18:27.53 | cncfanatic1 | wine dll's, giev :( |
| 18:28.28 | cncfanatic1 | can anyone download em for me ? I'm seriously not managing :p |
| 18:29.07 | wereHamster | cncfanatic1, http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/dlls.tar.bz2 |
| 18:29.15 | cncfanatic1 | ty wereHamster |
| 18:29.17 | cncfanatic1 | <3 |
| 18:36.22 | [Liquidor] | Could you do a couple of searches at http://armory.artoman.com/ |
| 18:36.38 | [Liquidor] | Tell me if the results are loading fast or slow |
| 18:37.32 | [Liquidor] | eu results only atm in case you wonder where your char is ;) |
| 18:38.14 | wereHamster | it's definitely faster then wowarmory.com |
| 18:39.10 | Snago | [Liquidor]: Almost instant here |
| 18:39.19 | [Liquidor] | Okay thanks. |
| 18:39.27 | dylanm | Yeah pretty snappy for me. |
| 18:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Testing this real quick |
| 18:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | LUA |
| 18:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm what is the trigger |
| 18:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lua |
| 18:41.39 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym its a word in Portuguese that means "moon". |
| 18:41.59 | cncfanatic1 | lua> "ScytheBlade1 is a nab" |
| 18:41.59 | lua_bot | cncfanatic1: ScytheBlade1 is a nab |
| 18:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:42.18 | art3mis | http://i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=29100 |
| 18:42.21 | [Liquidor] | ~purl |
| 18:42.21 | purl | ACTION purrs. |
| 18:43.54 | cncfanatic1 | damn, can't get supreme commander to work on linux with ati hardware |
| 18:43.57 | cncfanatic1 | WTS ati |
| 18:44.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, ATi FTL |
| 18:44.45 | wereHamster | cncfanatic1, it doesn't work well on nvidea either.. |
| 18:44.46 | _rane | no, wts linux wtb windows |
| 18:45.07 | cncfanatic1 | no no, WTS directx , WTB OpenGL |
| 18:45.13 | wereHamster | on my 7800GTX it's slow as hell |
| 18:45.19 | cncfanatic1 | can't even run it here |
| 18:45.28 | cncfanatic1 | a bit sad, its a great game and I don't feel like installing a win for it |
| 18:46.01 | cncfanatic1 | ah well, back to coding then |
| 18:55.13 | cncfanatics | Iriel: got a minute or two to help me out ? |
| 18:55.20 | Iriel | hm? |
| 18:55.43 | cncfanatics | I'm wondering if there is an elegant way to update macro textures if they're not on actionbuttons |
| 18:55.59 | cncfanatics | I know an event is triggered if they're on actionbuttons, is there anything at all triggered if they're not ? |
| 18:56.14 | Iriel | No |
| 18:56.22 | Iriel | other than the underlying events that say when stuff happens |
| 18:56.30 | Iriel | (Which covers many, but not all, contingencies) |
| 18:56.52 | cncfanatics | the main thing they won't cover is reset timers, which is anoying |
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| 18:57.46 | cncfanatics | damn, so, there's no way except OnUpdate or rewriting the macro handling code |
| 18:59.15 | foxlit | Would be nice to have some sort of programmatic GetMacroResult(macrotext) |
| 18:59.29 | cncfanatics | it'd be nicer to be able to register macros to trigger events |
| 18:59.33 | cncfanatics | so we don't have to poll them at all |
| 18:59.41 | Iriel | Thats what action buttons are for |
| 18:59.46 | foxlit | That'd sort of provide the same information as something does to #showtooltip |
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| 19:00.00 | nevcairiel | yeah use action ids if you want the full package =P |
| 19:00.02 | cncfanatics | my addon doesn't use actionbuttons Iriel and it'd be ackward to put them in there imho |
| 19:00.06 | Iriel | So it's more like "it would be nice if we had an unlimited number of action ids, even if only the first 120 are saved" |
| 19:00.33 | cncfanatics | well, I don't use actionbuttons, and the only main issue is pet buttons and macros really |
| 19:00.35 | cncfanatics | the rest is fine |
| 19:00.43 | Iriel | I thought we had the equivalent of GetMacroResult |
| 19:00.51 | cncfanatics | GetMacroInfo yes |
| 19:01.00 | cncfanatics | still needs polling though |
| 19:01.09 | Iriel | the base UI is polling too for many things |
| 19:01.22 | cncfanatics | I only poll for macros atm |
| 19:01.58 | nevcairiel | You always have to poll for range values |
| 19:02.05 | nevcairiel | thats the only cpu load BT creates |
| 19:02.23 | cncfanatics | I didn't write any highlights yet, so I'll end up polling for that too yea |
| 19:03.23 | nevcairiel | range events is virtually impossible because many different spells have different ranges |
| 19:03.49 | nevcairiel | unless you fire it for action ids again |
| 19:03.56 | nevcairiel | but you would hate that again =P |
| 19:03.59 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 19:04.08 | cncfanatics | range events can already be written in luia |
| 19:04.12 | cncfanatics | I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for C |
| 19:04.13 | Iriel | Range events pretty much always have to be polled, you could do some optimization if you grouped like ranges together |
| 19:04.22 | Iriel | internally it's got to poll anyway though |
| 19:04.26 | cncfanatics | true |
| 19:04.39 | cncfanatics | it also makes sense to poll for range imho |
| 19:04.44 | cncfanatics | as it can change every few frames |
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| 19:08.38 | Mikk | would still be cheaper to have an event since 99% of the time it wont change |
| 19:09.18 | cncfanatics | I think range actualy changes quite often in combat situations (which is where it matters) |
| 19:10.42 | Iriel | Mikk: The point is that every time ANYTHING MOVES you'd need to check all of the anythings to see if you should fire an event |
| 19:11.00 | cncfanatics | thats what you already do to update range icons anyway ? |
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| 19:11.16 | Iriel | Now, having an internal list of 'interesting things and ranges and states' might be slightly more efficient in C land |
| 19:11.26 | Iriel | but it'd be something entirely new compared to the usual events we have |
| 19:11.36 | Iriel | (There is no RegisterEventForThisParticularUnit) |
| 19:11.45 | Iriel | (or ThisParticularSpell) |
| 19:12.16 | cncfanatics | we have both spellid's & rangedid's, it should be possible to fire events when the range of a spell changes |
| 19:12.17 | Iriel | What might help (and for all I know it's already there) would be an internal cache of range queries already performed this frame |
| 19:12.29 | cncfanatics | s/rangedid's/unitid's/ |
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| 19:12.55 | Iriel | But it may be that the overhead of such a cache would outweigh the benefit, afterall it's only saving you a few multiplications, an addition, and a comparison |
| 19:15.37 | Mikk | Iriel: But the client already knows if things move in and out of range in C land :) |
| 19:15.53 | Iriel | Not in any 'event triggering' way I dont thinkit does |
| 19:15.58 | Iriel | It knows where they are |
| 19:16.05 | Iriel | that's rather different from how far away they are |
| 19:16.11 | Mikk | True, true. |
| 19:16.28 | Mikk | Though it obviously keeps computing distances to them. |
| 19:16.32 | Mikk | For melee & spell ranges. |
| 19:17.09 | zenzelezz | roughly |
| 19:17.12 | cncfanatics | would it be that hard to trigger an event after the computing if a spell just got in/out of range ? |
| 19:17.21 | Mikk | No |
| 19:17.26 | zenzelezz | the actionbars can report you in range while you're actually slightly out of range on the server |
| 19:17.43 | cncfanatics | zenzelezz: thats probably rounding issues |
| 19:17.49 | Mikk | More like lag |
| 19:17.58 | cncfanatics | if you're at 35.2 yards and you need 35 the server might report you out of range while the client reports you inrange ? |
| 19:18.09 | Mikk | It's especially noticeable if you're running after someone trying to cast instants |
| 19:18.17 | Mikk | The bar is green, but the game wont let you cast |
| 19:18.19 | Iriel | Latency, yes |
| 19:19.11 | zenzelezz | I'm more inclined to trust cncfanatics' explanation, I've had it happen many times when both me and the target were immobile |
| 19:20.04 | p3lim | anyone know of an addon that has options within the new interface panel? |
| 19:20.05 | cncfanatics | its just a guess |
| 19:20.11 | cncfanatics | p3lim: Omen |
| 19:20.31 | Antiarc | Omen, MobSpells. Deadened, and Chatter all do |
| 19:20.43 | p3lim | cool, thanks |
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| 19:22.59 | Mikk | p3lim: and get BetterBlizzardOptions when you're at it so you can resize the frame |
| 19:23.33 | p3lim | Im just making an option addon for my addons :) |
| 19:24.43 | Mikk | Those all use functionality in acegui-3 to do it |
| 19:24.58 | p3lim | oh.. |
| 19:25.16 | Mikk | Though you could use at the blizzard options frame widget in acegui-3 |
| 19:25.28 | Mikk | s/use/look/ |
| 19:26.00 | p3lim | any real documentation on the interface options panel? |
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| 19:26.15 | leethal | why doesn't the armory set the status headers to 404 wen you request a character that isn't there? sigh |
| 19:26.35 | cncfanatics | because blizz fails at webapp design :p |
| 19:26.56 | leethal | yeah.. I wonder why they always fail. |
| 19:27.15 | cncfanatics | they also makes some of the best games ever, but, shhh :p |
| 19:27.27 | Mikk | p3lim: if there is any, it'll be on wowwiki. possibly in iriel's 2.4 change summary (which is posted on wowwiki) |
| 19:27.36 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization |
| 19:27.40 | p3lim | ait, ill check it out |
| 19:28.15 | Iriel | There's a good set of posts by I think Zootfizzle in the 2.4 change thread, it's linked from the first couple of posts |
| 19:32.08 | p3lim | got a link to the interface kit? |
| 19:32.23 | p3lim | mine is still from 2.3 :/ |
| 19:32.34 | Iriel | Wow, there was some really global-leaky code in DevTools |
| 19:32.35 | zenzelezz | <leethal> why doesn't the armory set the status headers to 404 wen you request a character that isn't there? sigh <--- because the PAGE you're looking for IS found, the info you want on it is a different matter |
| 19:32.38 | Iriel | It'll still work |
| 19:32.42 | Iriel | it hasn't changed since 2.3 |
| 19:32.49 | Iriel | but if you want to re-download it: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ |
| 19:33.13 | p3lim | "Basic details on how to use this system can be found in code comments in the 2.4 UIOptionsPanels.lua." |
| 19:33.26 | p3lim | that would be new :) |
| 19:33.37 | leethal | zenzelezz: from a REST point of view, the resource 'Characterthatdoesnotexist' is not found, hence it should be 404. |
| 19:33.45 | Iriel | You're not understanding how the UI tool works |
| 19:33.50 | Iriel | It extracts the code FROM the game MPQ's |
| 19:34.01 | Iriel | the tool itself doesn't have the actual code in it |
| 19:34.09 | Iriel | mmm.. REST |
| 19:34.13 | zenzelezz | leethal: I obviously disagree, but that's fine |
| 19:34.14 | Tem|Sleep | Have you guys seen Mee the scout? |
| 19:34.21 | leethal | as in, the webapp should treat it as if it is not found, because the character isn't found |
| 19:34.23 | leethal | and the page == the character |
| 19:34.45 | zenzelezz | leethal: you can elaborate as much as you want, my opinion stands |
| 19:34.46 | Iriel | The 404 refers to the requested resource, not the underlying app template |
| 19:35.03 | Iriel | It's absolutely the right thing to be returning |
| 19:35.04 | leethal | just because it's a get parameter doesn't mean it's not a part of the resource you're requesting |
| 19:35.21 | leethal | zenzelezz: you're no fun =P |
| 19:35.28 | zenzelezz | I've never claimed to be |
| 19:35.34 | leethal | sigh |
| 19:35.36 | Iriel | You can keep your own opinion, just know that it's wrong 8-) |
| 19:35.42 | leethal | "Someone is WRONG on the internet" |
| 19:36.11 | leethal | also, it makes perfect sense for 3rd party apps. They can see if the request headers are 404, instead of having to parse the XML and look for an error code there |
| 19:36.14 | leethal | web standards ftw |
| 19:36.45 | ckknight | cladhaire: you about? |
| 19:36.53 | leethal | so, this is the reason blizz fails at writing webapps. Clever people argue against webstandards. |
| 19:37.28 | zenzelezz | uh huh |
| 19:37.37 | cncfanatics | wow, keybindings are damn easy with attributes |
| 19:37.39 | zenzelezz | so let's go back to browser-specific HTML too then? |
| 19:37.50 | leethal | what's that got to do with it? |
| 19:37.55 | zenzelezz | standards |
| 19:38.19 | leethal | are you saying that browser specific html is web-standards? |
| 19:38.30 | cncfanatics | argueing for the sake of it ftw :) |
| 19:38.40 | zenzelezz | no, I'm saying the opposite |
| 19:39.01 | zenzelezz | I'm not clever, so I assume you were talking about someone else when you spoke of arguing against standards |
| 19:39.10 | leethal | blarg |
| 19:39.37 | leethal | so. You visit a page for a character. The character isn't found, hence the 'page' isn't found. Doesn't that make perfect sense? |
| 19:39.55 | cncfanatics | from a design point of view yes, for a browser you can't return a 404 |
| 19:39.57 | zenzelezz | I know what you mean, but I still don't see it that way |
| 19:39.58 | cncfanatics | that wouldn't be "pretty" |
| 19:40.14 | leethal | well no, but the request headers could be 404, even though you get to see a page |
| 19:40.41 | leethal | all browsers that I know of renders the page the server sends even though the status headers says it's a 404 |
| 19:41.39 | End | I think, if the page is small enough IE shows it's own instead |
| 19:41.41 | leethal | having to read <characterInfo errCode="noCharacter"></characterInfo> isn't very pretty in my eyes |
| 19:41.51 | amro | that's part of the application |
| 19:41.56 | leethal | well IE doesn't care about web standards anyway =P |
| 19:42.01 | amro | if you're parsing the application XML, you're parse that XML |
| 19:42.11 | amro | if you're just a browser, a 404 means dead end |
| 19:42.18 | leethal | right. Which is what it is |
| 19:42.21 | leethal | there's no character info to parse there |
| 19:42.23 | amro | would you like it if google returned a 404 when there are no reults? |
| 19:42.36 | leethal | that's different |
| 19:42.40 | leethal | a character is one resource |
| 19:42.48 | leethal | google is a list of resources, which can be empty |
| 19:42.48 | amro | search results are a resource |
| 19:42.51 | leethal | REST conventions etc =P |
| 19:43.21 | cncfanatics | 404 is the code for "nothing meaningfull here" right ? |
| 19:43.31 | leethal | 404 Not Found |
| 19:43.40 | amro | 404 is at the basic HTTP level. it means the webserver didn't find what you asked for. if the web /application/ fails, it should display that, not the webserver |
| 19:43.48 | zenzelezz | 404 " The server has not found anything matching the Request-URI" |
| 19:43.58 | cncfanatics | then what would be the problem of google giving a 404 if it found no results ? |
| 19:43.58 | leethal | not in the REST world |
| 19:44.27 | Iriel | It would be entiely appropriate for google to return 404 if it found NOTHING |
| 19:44.33 | leethal | well, I'm talking REST conventions here. In a google rearch result, "the result" is not the resource, the resource is "a list of result instances" |
| 19:44.35 | cncfanatics | thats what I'm saying :p |
| 19:44.50 | Iriel | Google never returns nothing though |
| 19:44.53 | Iriel | it's always got something to say |
| 19:45.14 | cncfanatics | not true |
| 19:45.14 | zenzelezz | it has a "zomg I found nothing" just like the armory |
| 19:45.18 | leethal | empty list is not 404, though resource, which could be translated to 'page', should be 404 if's not found |
| 19:45.22 | amro | 404 is an HTTP code, and it's handled by the webserver |
| 19:45.32 | zenzelezz | not handled, sent |
| 19:45.41 | cncfanatics | its handled by either the app or the server |
| 19:45.44 | amro | yeah, it handles sending them =) |
| 19:45.44 | leethal | perhaps it'd make more sense if it was wowarory.com/characters/foo instead of wowarmory.com/foo.xml&n=foo |
| 19:45.45 | cncfanatics | and sent by the server |
| 19:45.53 | cncfanatics | but technicly, everything is sent by the server, so |
| 19:46.00 | leethal | well, REST webapps communicate through status codes |
| 19:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | Like the cover letter with a resume, it's sent for looks and to provide a full package, but it has no particular usage of it's own. |
| 19:46.18 | leethal | and it's the webapp that sets, say, a 301 redirect, so webapps do indeed care about http status codes |
| 19:46.33 | amro | if going to /character.xml?id=someone returned 404, it would mean character.xml doesn't exists |
| 19:46.39 | amro | rather than just the id |
| 19:46.43 | Iriel | It COULD mean that |
| 19:46.51 | leethal | hmm yeah good point amro |
| 19:46.59 | Iriel | But the 'resource' can include ANY subset of the URI |
| 19:47.09 | leethal | seeing that it's displayed as a get parameter, it makes sense that it does not return a 404 |
| 19:47.20 | Iriel | just like /abc/def/ghi.html returns 404 if abc doesn't exist abc/def doesn't exist, or abc/def/ghi.html doesn't exist |
| 19:47.21 | leethal | so, imo, they should change it into /character/charname, and set status code to 404 =P |
| 19:47.25 | Iriel | you dont stop when you reach the query string |
| 19:48.33 | cncfanatics | can't you technicaly write it so that both the server and the app are the same program ? :p |
| 19:49.06 | leethal | in any case, I really think it's prettier and more web-stardard-esque to read the status code, which is similar everywhere, rather than having to manually parse <characterInfo errCode="noCharacter"></characterInfo> |
| 19:49.09 | amro | Iriel: but that information can also be POSTed |
| 19:49.15 | amro | the query string |
| 19:49.23 | Iriel | But that's a different request |
| 19:49.34 | amro | we're talking strictly GETs here? |
| 19:49.37 | Iriel | just because applications often choose to process them equivalently |
| 19:49.40 | Iriel | it doesn't mean they have to |
| 19:49.51 | Iriel | Again, REST is all about taking the status codes and request types seriously |
| 19:50.01 | Iriel | a lot of web apps are a bit lax there (with many good reasons) |
| 19:50.25 | p3lim | anyone know an addon that has options within the new interfaceoptions frame WITHOUT using any libs? |
| 19:50.42 | leethal | p3lim: I think mik's scrolling battle text has that, not sure though |
| 19:50.54 | p3lim | does, but all it contains is 1 button :p |
| 19:50.59 | leethal | is there a lib for the new interface options, though? :O |
| 19:51.16 | p3lim | acegui-3 |
| 19:51.23 | zenzelezz | p3lim: does it matter if it's only one button? I thought all you needed was an example |
| 19:51.31 | p3lim | and tekKonfig too, if not too wrong |
| 19:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdjt6Bl5qdY hahaha |
| 19:51.47 | p3lim | well yeah, i am looking at it atm |
| 19:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | "Forklift safety" |
| 19:51.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Some of you have probably seen that before, but |
| 19:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | a hahahahahahaha |
| 19:52.13 | p3lim | not easy to spot out whats what, msbt has two option panels :p |
| 19:52.32 | leethal | by the way, http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xmlllll returns 404. But I guess that's apache doing so by default, as the xml file indeed is not found |
| 19:53.02 | leethal | (which I also find weird, as I'm used to webapps doing dynamic requests, not reading files =P) |
| 19:53.28 | leethal | wowarmory.com/characters/foo and /characters/foo.xml for the win, rather than pseudo-silly-dynamic stuff. |
| 19:54.08 | leethal | I should never have started programming with REST interfaces, everything else seems so weird now =/ |
| 19:54.17 | amro | 410 might be more accurate for characters that don't exist |
| 19:54.36 | amro | but probably not |
| 19:55.03 | zenzelezz | personally I would say that IF at all you wanted to use HTTP error codes, 404 would be the one - but you know the rest of my argument :) |
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| 19:56.45 | cncfanatics | how can you remove a certain binding from a frame while keeping the others ? |
| 19:57.07 | cncfanatics | I'm using SetOverrideBindingClick |
| 19:57.54 | Kaso | set the binding to nil ? |
| 19:58.30 | cncfanatics | that'd remove all bindings on a frame |
| 19:58.34 | cncfanatics | and not only said binding |
| 19:58.56 | cncfanatics | no way to remove a single binding except passing nil then setting them all again ? |
| 19:59.14 | Kaso | oh i see what you mean |
| 19:59.29 | malreth | why is klaus still working at that slaughterhouse of a shop? |
| 19:59.33 | Kaso | im not sure |
| 19:59.56 | Iriel | If you SetOverrideBinding the key to nil does it clear? |
| 20:00.00 | Iriel | I dont remember if that works |
| 20:00.22 | Iriel | otherwise you would indeed to have to clear override bindings, then re-set the ones you wanted to keep |
| 20:00.23 | cncfanatics | nil will clear all bindings on the frame |
| 20:00.26 | cncfanatics | I think |
| 20:00.30 | Iriel | No |
| 20:00.35 | Iriel | that's what ClearOverrideBindings is for |
| 20:00.42 | Iriel | SetOverrideBinding shouldn't do that |
| 20:01.28 | cncfanatics | SetOverrideBindingClick(self.Frame, nil, Binding, nil); is what you mean ? |
| 20:01.45 | cncfanatics | instead of the usual SetOverrideBindingClick(self.Frame, nil, Binding, self.Frame:GetName()); ? |
| 20:02.25 | leethal | zenzelezz: I do agree with you, seeing that you are indeed requesting a file, not a resource. The armory isn't a REST app, so I shouldn't treat it as if it was =) |
| 20:02.31 | Iriel | I meant SetOverrideBinding(self.Frame, nil, Binding, nil) |
| 20:02.53 | cncfanatics | btw, whats the difference between SetOverrideBinding and SetOverrideBindingClick ? |
| 20:02.53 | cladhaire | ckknight: aye, whats up |
| 20:03.01 | Iriel | One is a binding, one is a click |
| 20:03.15 | ckknight | cladhaire: through hackery, I got TomTom to work on Cartographer3 |
| 20:03.22 | Iriel | same as SetBinding and SetBindingClick |
| 20:03.25 | cladhaire | why did it require hackery? |
| 20:03.28 | cncfanatics | thanks Iriel |
| 20:04.06 | ckknight | cladhaire: because your GetCurrentCursorPosition function could be done a lot better |
| 20:04.16 | ckknight | without scaling or coordinate shifting |
| 20:04.18 | cladhaire | well thats hardly an "issue" |
| 20:04.47 | cladhaire | but okay |
| 20:04.49 | ckknight | yea, but I still think you could do it a lot better and easier |
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| 20:05.07 | ckknight | specifically, instead of checking WorldMapFrame, you can just check WorldMapButton's :GetRect() |
| 20:05.11 | cladhaire | well its not my code, i didn't care to spend any time on it, and it worked. |
| 20:05.15 | ckknight | and use :GetEffectiveAlpha() instead of :GetAlpha() |
| 20:05.23 | ckknight | err, Scale |
| 20:05.24 | ckknight | not Alpha |
| 20:05.41 | cladhaire | it was written before GetEffective was in, afaik |
| 20:06.11 | Mikk | And please take away Slouken's cookies. The GetItemFamily() returns are completely illogical |
| 20:06.19 | Mikk | Why do I have to do a separate test for 0? :S |
| 20:06.38 | Iriel | I'm not sure GetItemFamily was his slouken's |
| 20:06.40 | ckknight | cladhaire: http://ace.pastey.net/86046 is what I use, you're free to copy it |
| 20:06.47 | cladhaire | thanks, i'll put it in |
| 20:07.07 | ckknight | cladhaire: have you seen Cart3 yet? it's pretty shiny |
| 20:07.31 | cncfanatics | more efficient then Cart2 ? :p |
| 20:07.46 | ckknight | Cart2 = 1-2% CPU usage, Cart3 = 0.1-0.2% CPU usage |
| 20:07.49 | cladhaire | when i cloned it i got a shit ton of errors and the window int he middle had patches missing. |
| 20:08.05 | ckknight | it should be working a lot better now |
| 20:08.49 | malreth | http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/6644038.html |
| 20:09.29 | malreth | Pulp Fiction as if written by Shakespeare |
| 20:09.36 | malreth | choice quotes in there |
| 20:12.05 | cladhaire | ckknight: you still didn't elaborate as to what "hackery" was required to make it work with cart3 |
| 20:12.08 | cladhaire | something or anything I should change? |
| 20:12.46 | ckknight | cladhaire: well, just the cursor coordinate thing |
| 20:13.06 | cladhaire | well I don't really consider that a TomTom feature. Do the waypoints work? |
| 20:13.13 | ckknight | sure do :-) |
| 20:13.27 | ckknight | I got TomTom, Routes, GatherMate, Gatherer, and QuestHelper all working with it |
| 20:13.30 | cladhaire | good then |
| 20:13.31 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 20:14.05 | ckknight | cladhaire: I ended up putting WorldMapFrame, WorldMapDetailFrame, and WorldMapButton on the map view, positioned properly. Yours was the only one that actually required WorldMapFrame to be positioned correctly |
| 20:14.37 | cladhaire | and why was that? |
| 20:14.42 | cladhaire | the cursor thing? |
| 20:14.44 | cladhaire | or something else |
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| 20:16.38 | ckknight | well, Gatherer and the like put their frames on WorldMapDetailFrame or WorldMapButton, so by just positioning and scaling them, they're supported pretty much right away |
| 20:17.22 | ckknight | your cursor thing checked the position of WorldMapFrame, which is slightly off-center from those, before, just the show/hide mattered, not the actual position |
| 20:17.23 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 20:17.26 | ckknight | it all works now, though |
| 20:17.35 | ckknight | it worked before, too, I just thought you'd want a slightly better function |
| 20:20.17 | cncfanatics | Iriel: calling SetOverrideBinding(Frame, nil, Binding, nil); gives a usage error |
| 20:20.24 | cncfanatics | so I guess it'll be clear em all and then reset them |
| 20:20.27 | Iriel | cncfanatics: Ah well 8-( |
| 20:20.45 | Iriel | cncfanatics: The secure state header only uses it in clear/set again mode, so we likely never noticed. |
| 20:20.59 | Iriel | You could throw an API request to clear a single override binding onto cog's request thread |
| 20:21.08 | cncfanatics | I can't write in there |
| 20:21.10 | cncfanatics | EU :( |
| 20:22.00 | cncfanatics | hmmm, actualy |
| 20:22.02 | cncfanatics | I have an idea |
| 20:22.06 | cladhaire | ckknight: thanks, its commited already |
| 20:22.15 | cncfanatics | setting the binding to a dummy frame would be as if its cleared right ? |
| 20:22.22 | ckknight | saw the commit :-) |
| 20:22.42 | Iriel | cncfanatics: no |
| 20:22.50 | Iriel | cncfanatics: It'd set it to click a dummy frame |
| 20:23.01 | Iriel | cncfanatics: You want it to fall through if it's cleared |
| 20:23.22 | cncfanatics | doing that |
| 20:23.23 | amro | leethal: now that I think about it, a 404 would make sense since the webserver and app are the same thing to the client |
| 20:23.34 | cncfanatics | SetOverrideBindingClick(FlexBar3, nil, Binding, FlexBar3); is my current clearing code |
| 20:38.03 | Corrodias | i should totally go get lunch from burger king |
| 20:38.18 | cncfanatics | is that the same as McDonals Corrodias ? |
| 20:38.44 | widgertick | The short answer is "practically" |
| 20:39.16 | cncfanatics | then I'd rather not eat then go there :p |
| 20:39.17 | Corrodias | similar, anyway. the cooking method is significantly different. |
| 20:39.27 | Corrodias | or the end result seems to be |
| 20:39.54 | Corrodias | whereas a mcdonald's burger will literally drip fat on you, at least burger king uses more like a grill that lets it drain while cooking |
| 20:40.14 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, at least thats an improvement |
| 20:41.00 | Corrodias | or maybe i'll hop down to hardee's where they have that fabulous jalepeno thickburger |
| 20:42.09 | cncfanatics | long live america :p |
| 20:42.14 | cncfanatics | anyway, I'm going to bed, g'night |
| 20:42.17 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 20:44.02 | Gnarfoz | is it possible to check if a macro was clicked modified or not? for /script stuff, not /cast [modifier] something |
| 20:45.00 | dylanm | IsShiftKeyDown()? |
| 20:46.09 | Corrodias | yeah, those ismodifier things |
| 20:48.09 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 20:48.33 | Gnarfoz | they don't work for addon's custom slash commands, though... guess I'll have to make 2 separate macros |
| 20:51.44 | [Liquidor] | Hmm what do you guys use to listen to web radio with? |
| 20:52.47 | Corrodias | winamp |
| 20:52.56 | Shirik | pandora |
| 20:53.01 | Corrodias | if "web radio" is what i think it is |
| 20:54.11 | [Liquidor] | Winamp is just so damn annoying. I hate the interface |
| 20:54.32 | Kirov | I love winamp, but I hate winamp |
| 20:54.40 | Kirov | pre AOL winamp was awesome |
| 20:54.48 | Kirov | it's become bloat ware now |
| 20:55.21 | amro | a while ago winamp was the only player worth using |
| 20:55.25 | amro | now... meh |
| 20:55.30 | Gnarfoz | winamp all the way :> |
| 20:56.16 | [Liquidor] | what Kirov said |
| 20:56.29 | [Liquidor] | Just so much crap within |
| 20:56.57 | [Liquidor] | I want a square window... with a list of streams and a Play/Stop button. Someone make me that gogo |
| 21:00.03 | Syzgyn | [Liquidor]: Try FuBar2000? |
| 21:01.06 | [Liquidor] | Syzgyn, foobar but thanks |
| 21:01.30 | Syzgyn | whatever :P |
| 21:14.15 | Shirik | hm, ever since I fixed my garbage disposal, the dishwasher has been making a lot less noise |
| 21:14.32 | Shirik | that's probably a bad thing. I just can't figure out if it was bad louder or quieter |
| 21:16.15 | leethal | armory excludes characters below level 10, right? I don't have to worry about talents not being present? |
| 21:16.24 | Shirik | correct |
| 21:16.48 | leethal | =) |
| 21:17.03 | leethal | 'correct' sounds nice. Makes my assertion feel very pro |
| 21:17.55 | Shirik | :P |
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| 21:29.52 | Syzgyn | somehow I managed to name a folder on my server Kel\'Thuzad, and now it wont let me rename or delete it |
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| 21:30.32 | Syzgyn | any ideas? |
| 21:30.38 | leethal | Kel\\\ \'Thuzad maybe |
| 21:30.48 | leethal | not sure if ' needs escaping |
| 21:31.16 | Shirik | is there any way to like ... enumerate attributes of a frame? |
| 21:32.18 | wereHamster | lua> 60/12 |
| 21:32.19 | lua_bot | wereHamster: 5 |
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| 21:32.54 | leethal | Shirik: I'm amazed if I know something you don't, but sec, making a paste =) |
| 21:33.17 | Shirik | I know this attribute I just can't remember what it is |
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| 21:33.42 | leethal | Shirik: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86050 |
| 21:33.57 | Shirik | nono I mean |
| 21:33.57 | leethal | an obvious typo on line 6 |
| 21:34.08 | leethal | oh, get all the attributes of a certain frame? |
| 21:34.09 | Shirik | like, ok, secure unit frames have the attribute "unit" |
| 21:34.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:34.53 | Syzgyn | leethal: I dunno, every time I try to do anything to the dir in putty, it locks up, and my FTP keeps saying 550 Prohibited file name: /www/Armory/History/Kel\'Thuzad |
| 21:34.57 | widgertick | Jeeze, I hope there is |
| 21:35.15 | leethal | Syzgyn: hmm, what is the actual directory name? Kel'Thuzad? |
| 21:35.21 | leethal | or is it in fact named Kel\'Thuzad in the file system? |
| 21:35.57 | Shirik | Syzgyn: To access it, you would use Kel\\\'Thuzad |
| 21:36.16 | Shirik | however uh |
| 21:36.23 | Shirik | if your FTP client prohibits that name |
| 21:36.30 | Shirik | you're going to have some fun times if you don't have SSH access |
| 21:37.04 | leethal | perhaps another ftp client can handle it |
| 21:37.19 | Syzgyn | I do have SSH access |
| 21:37.37 | Shirik | leethal: The fact that it's a 550 error implies that the server is blocking it |
| 21:38.34 | Syzgyn | It's actually named Kel\'Thuzad |
| 21:38.43 | Syzgyn | I can access it from my FTP client |
| 21:38.51 | Syzgyn | but I cant rename or delete it |
| 21:39.25 | Shirik | so go into ssh and rename it |
| 21:39.28 | leethal | haha nice header image on thepiratebay.org |
| 21:39.34 | Shirik | you can acccess it with Kel\\\'Thuzad |
| 21:40.04 | Syzgyn | aha, got it I think |
| 21:40.20 | Syzgyn | yep, thanks Shirik |
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| 21:57.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 21:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | What happened? |
| 21:57.53 | Cairenn | inside ongoing joke :) |
| 21:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 21:58.14 | Cairenn | which got me kicked from the staff channel ;) |
| 21:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | owned |
| 21:58.57 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 21:59.23 | mikma | Cairenn: banhammer them! |
| 21:59.47 | mikma | revenge with forum-nerf |
| 21:59.52 | Cairenn | heh, hard to banhammer Dolby, he has direct access to the site servers and I don't |
| 21:59.59 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: one detail, he controls the servers ;) |
| 21:59.59 | Cairenn | something he constantly holds over me |
| 22:00.08 | mikma | well make his life miserable somehow |
| 22:00.10 | Shirik|AFK | I believe Cairenn herself has gotten herself banned once or twice |
| 22:00.11 | Olison | :< |
| 22:00.18 | mikma | steal his wife/girlfriend or something ;D |
| 22:00.21 | Cairenn | only once from the sites |
| 22:00.21 | Shirik|AFK | course I do that myself too |
| 22:00.49 | Cairenn | that was after I'd been up, how many hours was it Dolby?, during one of the major patches |
| 22:01.08 | Cairenn | he flat out banned me from all of our sites so I'd go sleep |
| 22:01.19 | mikma | hah, that's nice of him |
| 22:01.34 | sylvanaar | i burned out the motor on my rc helicopter within 20 min of taking it out of the box |
| 22:01.41 | sylvanaar | =( |
| 22:01.43 | mikma | and i mean it, it's nice that he's taking care of you |
| 22:01.59 | mikma | "you, sleep." *ban* and job is done. |
| 22:02.02 | Syzgyn | sylvanaar: that really sucks :( warantee hopefully? |
| 22:02.03 | Cairenn | (s/hours/days/) |
| 22:02.13 | Shirik|AFK | sylvanaar :< |
| 22:02.14 | Shirik|AFK | already? |
| 22:02.24 | Cairenn | sylvanaar: boo, that sucks |
| 22:02.25 | Shirik|AFK | It's ok though, I have a fun story about our UAV team |
| 22:02.37 | sylvanaar | yes, i dont think that the motor is under any warranty |
| 22:02.38 | Lunessa | Ok folks... I'm out for 2 weeks! See you all again on May 7th |
| 22:02.40 | Shirik|AFK | $5000 engine they have in that thing |
| 22:02.41 | sylvanaar | i have to replace it |
| 22:02.49 | sylvanaar | lol $5000? |
| 22:03.02 | Shirik|AFK | a few months ago, they put it up in the air, within seconds it crashes to the ground, completely destroyed motor, because someone forgot to mix in the oil |
| 22:03.17 | sylvanaar | my motor only costs $5 |
| 22:03.22 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 22:03.26 | Shirik|AFK | A few days ago we were showing off autonomous vehicles out on the lawn and the exact same thing happened, though they have yet to say why |
| 22:03.34 | Syzgyn | can I get some people to try out my script and make sure it doesn't die? http://syzgyn.org/Armory/ajaxtest.html |
| 22:03.34 | Shirik|AFK | but I'm going to guess the same thing |
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| 22:03.48 | sylvanaar | I almost fried the solenoid on my paintball gun today |
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| 22:04.02 | leethal | Syzgyn: what should I do? |
| 22:04.04 | leethal | click something? |
| 22:04.24 | Syzgyn | put in your name and server, click teh button |
| 22:04.32 | Shirik|AFK | paintball guns use solenoids? |
| 22:04.32 | leethal | us only? |
| 22:04.33 | Shirik|AFK | for what? |
| 22:04.34 | leethal | or eu? |
| 22:04.38 | Syzgyn | US only |
| 22:04.44 | Syzgyn | doh |
| 22:04.47 | sylvanaar | it was melting the plastic, and i could smell it, is the only reason i was able to prevent it from being destroyed |
| 22:05.05 | sylvanaar | yes they do, if you have an electronic trigger |
| 22:05.30 | sylvanaar | you know - programmable firing patterns, custom debounce etc. |
| 22:06.41 | Shirik|AFK | hm, ok |
| 22:06.56 | Shirik|AFK | There's a few ways to do that I guess |
| 22:07.04 | Shirik|AFK | I'd use a 555 timer and a RC circuit but to each is own |
| 22:07.14 | Shirik|AFK | that's certainly a way of getting it done |
| 22:07.57 | Mikk | Syzgyn: Running opera.. i don't get errors, but nothing muhc happens when i click either. I get an ajaxy swirly in a horiontal bar. |
| 22:09.41 | sylvanaar | well, the e-trigger is a mod to the gun |
| 22:11.10 | Corrodias | you need a macaroni circuit |
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| 22:11.31 | sylvanaar | it uses the solenoid to push the internal trigger, and then attaches the external trigger to a switch |
| 22:11.44 | sylvanaar | normally its all manual |
| 22:13.55 | sylvanaar | what does a macaroni circuit do? lets hear the punchline |
| 22:15.15 | Corrodias | your mom |
| 22:15.16 | Mikk | produce fried food when overheating rather than fried plastic? |
| 22:15.23 | Mikk | ... |
| 22:15.38 | sylvanaar | oh ic |
| 22:15.44 | sylvanaar | haha - see what i did there |
| 22:16.06 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: lol, was thinking the same thing |
| 22:16.22 | Cairenn | the fact it's supper time probably partially at fault too though |
| 22:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | It was the fried food! Totally the fried food. |
| 22:16.35 | Lopeppeppy | I need KFC now. Ugh! |
| 22:16.36 | Cairenn | mmmmmmm, grease |
| 22:16.43 | Lopeppeppy | Catch y'all later. |
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| 22:18.20 | Gnarfoz | ergh |
| 22:18.40 | Gnarfoz | can this optimized somehow? "string"..d..""..c |
| 22:19.11 | Gnarfoz | can I just do "string"..d..c or something? |
| 22:19.40 | Kirov | yeah |
| 22:19.45 | Kirov | what's with the "" anyways? |
| 22:20.15 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I should have simply tried ;) the "" are remnants from before. shortening a macro |
| 22:20.24 | Gnarfoz | stupid lenght limit :> |
| 22:20.51 | kd3 | huh... they've reset char copies for the PTR |
| 22:21.16 | Gnarfoz | yay? |
| 22:21.27 | Gnarfoz | 2.4.2 or s4 coming, maybe? :) |
| 22:21.40 | kd3 | 2.4.2, probably. s4, not likely |
| 22:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | .2 if anything |
| 22:23.26 | Gnarfoz | hm. is there a way to define multiple locals without doing "local blah" for each one of them? |
| 22:23.37 | ScytheBlade1 | local a, b, c = d, e, f |
| 22:24.01 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 22:24.26 | Gnarfoz | I was doing local a=b;c=d;e=f; which obviously made c and e globals |
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| 22:33.24 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:33.30 | Gnarfoz | in which order are those done? |
| 22:34.22 | wereHamster | a,b,c = 1,2,3 is the same as a=1;b=2;c=3 |
| 22:35.01 | Gnarfoz | I'm getting "attempt to concatenate global 'a' (a nil value)". I'm doing (simplified): local a,b = "20","pull in"..a |
| 22:35.17 | Nargiddley | they are all read, then all assigned |
| 22:35.40 | wereHamster | your error message is pretty clear, 'a' is nil |
| 22:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't reference a variable like that |
| 22:35.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah, guess I'll have to do that one separately, then |
| 22:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Same-line declarations = no go |
| 22:37.20 | Kirov | Gnarfoz - local a, b = "20","pull in"..a -- at the time b is defined, a doesn't exist yet |
| 22:37.47 | Kirov | local a = "20" |
| 22:37.47 | Kirov | local b = "pull in"..a |
| 22:37.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I understand |
| 22:38.24 | Gnarfoz | I singled that one out, now, works fine |
| 22:38.26 | krka | this is what makes swap so simple - a,b = b,a |
| 22:39.35 | Gnarfoz | yay, now I can annoy my raid with pull timers for both boss mods. mwuahahaha |
| 22:39.46 | Gnarfoz | all with the click of a button, too :> |
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| 22:40.36 | Gnarfoz | too bad I need DBMFTLBBQ to actually make Deadly acknowledge my sync messages, but whatever |
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| 22:56.07 | Mikk | iiihihihi. guildie is getting his toon stripped (stuff banked) and cash mailed to someone else (and returned) |
| 22:56.14 | Mikk | he's gonna have a heartattack when he logs in tomorrow |
| 22:56.58 | zenzelezz | put his hearthstone in the bank and fly him to a rock in Netherstorm |
| 22:57.15 | Gnarfoz | destroy the hearthstone, you can always get a new one at any innkeeper, anyway |
| 22:57.33 | nevcairiel | looking at a naked char on selection screen is probably really confusing at that moment |
| 22:58.17 | Gnarfoz | too bad Blizzard doesn't react to something obvious like that when it happens while the only answer from the guy is "ni hao" :P |
| 22:58.42 | Mikk | mhm and suddenly he's logging in from another continent |
| 22:59.01 | Mikk | while still hammering from his old IP with a now defunct password |
| 22:59.01 | nevcairiel | guildies couldnt do that to me, my bank is too full to store all the stuff there |
| 22:59.01 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:59.20 | Mikk | guildie of mine had is toon owned recently. just got back. took over a month. |
| 22:59.38 | Mikk | and they didnt even have to restore any gear. just took forever. |
| 23:03.50 | Corrodias | a month? that's ridiculous |
| 23:04.04 | Corrodias | most restorations occur within 2 weeks, as far as i'm aware, and that's just to get the last bits of gear |
| 23:04.26 | Corrodias | unless he had like no identification and had to go get a birth certificate forged |
| 23:06.42 | Shirik | Are my quotes broken again? " " " |
| 23:06.53 | Iriel | they appear normal |
| 23:06.55 | [dRaCo] | look fine here |
| 23:06.58 | Shirik | yay |
| 23:07.00 | Shirik | I fixed it |
| 23:07.06 | [dRaCo] | at least if you typed 3 times " |
| 23:07.10 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:09.08 | Corrodias | " " " |
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| 23:18.29 | mikma | http://crap.fi/archive/6375.jpg :D |
| 23:21.28 | Snago | -.- |
| 23:22.11 | kd3 | o_O; fark: [Dumbass] Not news: $260,000 Aston Martin demolished during James Bond shooting. Fark: By a technician who ran it off the road into a lake while driving to the set |
| 23:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | "Whoops" |
| 23:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | "Sorry boss" |
| 23:23.07 | mikma | that's nice |
| 23:23.16 | mikma | good way to quit your job |
| 23:25.54 | foxlit | insurance will cover everything anyway |
| 23:26.56 | Mike-N-Go | ckknight: I have ran TaintChecker, an addon you have made. I have looked up on wowwiki.com and wowace.com and find nothing that tells me how to interrupt the data it has compiled. I am viewing a 260,000 line savedvariables file it has made. Might you tell me how to use it? |
| 23:27.17 | ckknight | I made TaintChecker? |
| 23:27.20 | ckknight | oh yea. |
| 23:27.23 | ckknight | I remember that |
| 23:27.42 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 23:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: that's impressive |
| 23:28.10 | ckknight | what? I have lots of addons |
| 23:28.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently you do |
| 23:28.46 | Mike-N-Go | ckknight: Is there some documentation I might have missed about this project? |
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| 23:28.58 | ckknight | nope |
| 23:28.59 | ckknight | sorry |
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| 23:30.12 | Mike-N-Go | Okay, it checks for taint. how does it indicate if something is tainted? |
| 23:30.51 | amro | my computer is making clicking noises |
| 23:30.53 | amro | can't be good |
| 23:30.59 | Corrodias | no, it probably isn't good |
| 23:31.29 | Corrodias | if it's a hard drive, it's time to immediately copy all important data on it to another drive. but you have to figure out which drive it is. |
| 23:31.53 | amro | I'm trying to localise the sound using advanced techniques |
| 23:31.59 | amro | i.e. crouching under my desk |
| 23:32.35 | Shirik | Can anyone clarify what this means to me? |
| 23:32.36 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=294&a=viewbug&bugid=4456 |
| 23:33.05 | Corrodias | during the installation, at some point, he gets that error and it closes the installer |
| 23:33.11 | Shirik | what error >< |
| 23:33.13 | Mike-N-Go | amro: The first thing would be to power it down. The longer it clicks, the more detriment may be inflicted. Then go figure out what the clicking is. |
| 23:33.18 | Corrodias | 2755 |
| 23:33.27 | Shirik | yeah wtf is that >< |
| 23:33.31 | Corrodias | presumably an error number produced by whatever program you have installing it |
| 23:33.37 | Corrodias | what installer package did you use? |
| 23:33.40 | Iriel | is it 'pairs' of clicks? |
| 23:33.42 | Shirik | just windows installer |
| 23:33.48 | Corrodias | .msi? |
| 23:33.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:33.51 | Iriel | like.. click-click........click-click.....click-click..... |
| 23:34.03 | amro | like wheel of fortune, almost |
| 23:34.20 | amro | though not as quicklt |
| 23:34.20 | Corrodias | MORE LIKE MATCH GAME |
| 23:34.37 | Shirik | This doesn't even list a "2755" : http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa368542.aspx |
| 23:35.35 | Mike-N-Go | ckknight: Any insight on how to operate your addon, TaintChecker? |
| 23:35.38 | Corrodias | http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=19591 |
| 23:35.48 | Corrodias | "In order to execute properly, Microsoft installer packages must be unencrypted and installed from an unencrypted directory to an unencrypted directoy." |
| 23:35.55 | ckknight | no, Mike-N-Go, seeing as I don't really remember writing it |
| 23:36.02 | ckknight | I think you type /taint something |
| 23:36.33 | amro | and now there's a whistling noise :o |
| 23:36.36 | Corrodias | an error with NTFS permissions (such as not having write access to the installation folder) can cause an error 2755 as well, Shirik |
| 23:36.46 | Corrodias | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274635 |
| 23:36.57 | Iriel | amro: windy whistlinng? or high-pitched metal-on-metal scraping? |
| 23:37.09 | Iriel | amro: Both sound like a hard drive failure, sure you dont want to hear that |
| 23:37.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Along the lines of permissions, it could also be a lack of %TEMP% space. |
| 23:37.43 | amro | Iriel: I think the whistling is vcard-related. when the screen is being redrawn, like switching tabs or windows, it stops temporarily |
| 23:37.46 | Corrodias | also, if they're installing to a network share, a network problem can cause that error |
| 23:37.59 | amro | owait that didn't make much sense |
| 23:38.11 | Iriel | amro - Oh, maybe it's just that you have an ungrounded input on your soundcard unmuted |
| 23:39.10 | Shirik | That does not look happy: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=560782&in_page_id=1773 |
| 23:39.18 | amro | the clicking is now following a catchy tune. backing up just in case |
| 23:40.37 | amro | I'm just going to turn it off, unplug things one by one to try to find the cause |
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| 23:51.38 | amro | it was the PSU |
| 23:51.49 | amro | clicking and ticking like some diabolical machine |
| 23:53.45 | Mike-N-Go | ckknight: By the way, TaintCheker has been increasing at 27 KiB/s for me. Now at 46,000 KiB after queuing it to go. |
| 23:59.15 | Corrodias | huh, it's probably the fan |
| 23:59.32 | Corrodias | but they're not really made to be replaceable |
| 23:59.53 | Corrodias | if you are willing to accept the risk of cutting and splicing wires inside a power supply, you can replace the fan and see what comes of it |
