| 00:00.59 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: is there any way to find out if an addon existed on wowi at some point? |
| 00:01.13 | Cairenn | no, not really |
| 00:01.33 | JoshBorke | k, thanks |
| 00:01.39 | JoshBorke | anyone care to test a mod for me? |
| 00:01.43 | Arrowmaster | i havent played the pc version of assassins creed but my collectors edition of assassins creed for 360 was defently worth the money, amazing game |
| 00:01.53 | Cairenn | can look and see if they had a thread in the released interface forum, perhaps |
| 00:01.55 | Cairenn | what mod? |
| 00:02.11 | JoshBorke | meh, no big deal |
| 00:02.14 | JoshBorke | it was BindingsReminder |
| 00:02.53 | Iriel | I found Assassin's creed much more interesting than I'd initially expected from the trailers |
| 00:03.04 | Iriel | It's visually quite impressive too |
| 00:03.17 | Arrowmaster | combat is amazing |
| 00:03.32 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: I seem to recall the name |
| 00:03.38 | Cairenn | but /shrug |
| 00:03.38 | Arrowmaster | although later it gets a little too easy |
| 00:04.05 | Iriel | I dont really have a problem with it getting easier |
| 00:04.13 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: aye, no big deal, i found a copy of it i'll just re-upload |
| 00:04.13 | Arrowmaster | i got a bunch of the combat acheivements back when i had the first or second level shortsword and no longsword |
| 00:04.22 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 00:04.26 | Iriel | I find games which ramp the difficulty WAY up when your character is supposedly becoming more skilled all along very fustrating |
| 00:05.15 | Arrowmaster | i had a hell of a time on the first assassination on the last module |
| 00:05.25 | Arrowmaster | accidently started it before killing the archers |
| 00:05.33 | AlexanderYoshi | that sequence where you |
| 00:05.37 | AlexanderYoshi | have to fight the king's men? |
| 00:05.44 | AlexanderYoshi | that took me 8 hours to beat |
| 00:05.51 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 00:06.06 | JoshBorke | wts spaces instead of returns |
| 00:06.06 | Arrowmaster | when you fight the fake yeah |
| 00:06.09 | foxlit | oblivion's progression scheme is just... woah |
| 00:06.17 | Iriel | The question is.. could YOU put humpty back together again? |
| 00:06.26 | Iriel | Obvlivion is irritating |
| 00:06.51 | Iriel | because if you're someone who likes to take it slow and explore the 'critical' missions become excruciating |
| 00:07.02 | Iriel | but if you skip all the content and rush for the finish it's not so bad |
| 00:07.16 | Iriel | It misses the point, IMHO |
| 00:07.17 | Arrowmaster | obvlivions leveling is just broken |
| 00:07.30 | Corrodias | i think bethesda just doesn't understand balance |
| 00:07.41 | ckknight | anyone wanna check out something I made? |
| 00:07.59 | Arrowmaster | morrowinds was better since if you overleveled a skill it counted for future levels |
| 00:07.59 | Yssaril | ckknight, always |
| 00:08.16 | ckknight | I need your email if you wanna test |
| 00:08.20 | ckknight | been hacking on the plane |
| 00:08.24 | ckknight | it works in WoW, though |
| 00:08.29 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 00:08.31 | foxlit | Hrm, I have a question |
| 00:08.44 | foxlit | What's the expected behavior when user clicks Defaults in the new addon options dialog? |
| 00:08.56 | foxlit | You restore defaults to the view, then wait for them to click okay to save? |
| 00:09.02 | Yssaril | ckknight, u get that? |
| 00:09.10 | ckknight | sure did |
| 00:09.11 | ckknight | anyone else? |
| 00:09.26 | JoshBorke | joshborke@gmail.com |
| 00:09.31 | foxlit | You restore defaults properly, barring the use of the cancel button? |
| 00:09.45 | Tuller | morrowind made me sad because I could make myself a god in under an hour or so :P |
| 00:10.49 | Shirik | hey batrick, I think Im going crazy |
| 00:10.59 | Shirik | Did you make this struct lua_ThreadFinalizer or did I? |
| 00:11.06 | *** part/#wowuidev Krolmor (n=opera@bd21a325.virtua.com.br) |
| 00:14.16 | Yssaril | ckknight, http://yssaril.pastey.net/85638 works nice though some tweaking is still needed :) |
| 00:14.17 | ckknight | Yssaril, JoshBorke: you get it yet? |
| 00:14.25 | ckknight | oh, crap |
| 00:14.28 | Yssaril | :P |
| 00:14.34 | batrick | you did |
| 00:15.43 | ckknight | Yssaril: fixed locally now :-P |
| 00:15.49 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 00:16.17 | Yssaril | idk what the error did so idk if it actuall broke something cause it still seams to work |
| 00:16.39 | ckknight | basically, GetMapInfo |
| 00:16.47 | ckknight | () returns nil when you're looking at all of Azeroth |
| 00:16.57 | ckknight | I'm just doing or "World" now, which is what Blizz does |
| 00:17.10 | Cairenn | I love commercials - "Do you have eye symptoms with your seasonal allergies? Use XYZ to make them feel better. Oh, but, btw, could cause cataracts, glaucoma, blindness or death! Be sure to use XYZ now to treat your seasonal allergy eye symptoms" |
| 00:17.29 | art3mis | heh |
| 00:17.34 | art3mis | i bug wifey abuot that |
| 00:17.36 | ckknight | Cairenn: everything's about covering your asses. |
| 00:17.45 | ckknight | well, their own asses, particularly |
| 00:17.49 | art3mis | appearantly if it occurrs in more than 6% of study cases they have to mention it |
| 00:17.55 | Cairenn | ever notice how often the cure is worse than the disease? |
| 00:18.26 | ckknight | ...no, because cure â side effect |
| 00:18.30 | ckknight | side effects can be worse |
| 00:18.57 | Cairenn | sorry, poor wording on my part |
| 00:19.06 | art3mis | for most people the side effects are less of a pain than the original |
| 00:19.09 | ckknight | Yssaril: in any event, it's not done, but any advice or ideas you have could be useful |
| 00:19.24 | Yssaril | give me a button to close it :P |
| 00:19.31 | ckknight | yea, I plan to do that |
| 00:19.38 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:19.41 | Yssaril | let me play with it a bit and i'll give ya a list |
| 00:19.49 | ckknight | good times |
| 00:20.31 | ckknight | there's still a bit to do, including adding POIs and the like, and a player arrow would be important to have, as well as a whole bunch of other stuff :-P |
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| 00:27.10 | Yssaril | ckknight, this is what i got for now http://yssaril.pastey.net/85639 |
| 00:27.20 | Shirik | MentalPower, die |
| 00:27.34 | ckknight | Yssaril: better overall graphics? |
| 00:27.37 | MentalPower | Shirik: huh? |
| 00:27.37 | Shirik | I put into chat [Some item] seems worthless to a warlock |
| 00:27.49 | Shirik | And I get spammed by like 5 people from guild with pricing information |
| 00:27.50 | MentalPower | Shirik: what did I do? |
| 00:27.55 | Shirik | helped auctioneer :P |
| 00:27.55 | MentalPower | oh |
| 00:28.07 | MentalPower | actually, I'll give you more reason to hate me |
| 00:28.12 | MentalPower | I coded that feature :) |
| 00:28.15 | Shirik | >< |
| 00:28.18 | MentalPower | as in personally |
| 00:28.19 | Yssaril | when you zoom in and you still have that initiall texture stretched out it gets all blury and rastery and crap let me take a SS for ya |
| 00:28.21 | Shirik | its actually a cool feature |
| 00:28.25 | Shirik | but I thought it looks for a ? |
| 00:28.30 | MentalPower | it should |
| 00:28.51 | foxlit | hrm |
| 00:29.07 | foxlit | "40393.024 > 40393.024" |
| 00:29.09 | foxlit | any ideas? |
| 00:29.55 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:29.58 | Shirik | ideas about? |
| 00:30.21 | foxlit | why that might be true |
| 00:30.22 | Shirik | MentalPower: http://wowi.pastey.net/85640 |
| 00:30.27 | Shirik | foxlit: floating point imprecision? |
| 00:30.35 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: thanks for the change in the .zip file folder layout in the cosmos packages :D /hug |
| 00:30.46 | foxlit | no difference in string echoes, though |
| 00:31.17 | AnduinLothar | np bleeter, wasn't rly sure why gryphon liked the whole path anyway |
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| 00:31.56 | bleeter | gah |
| 00:32.02 | Shirik | lua> a,b = 40393.02400000000001, 40393.024; print(tostring(a), tostring(b), a > b) |
| 00:32.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: 40393.024, 40393.024, false |
| 00:32.14 | bleeter | next freakin' WoWAce lib external that's pathed using \ |
| 00:32.17 | Shirik | foxlit: How is it getting output? Sure its not going through a string.format? |
| 00:32.21 | Shirik | lua> a,b = 40393.024000000001, 40393.024; print(tostring(a), tostring(b), a > b) |
| 00:32.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: 40393.024, 40393.024, false |
| 00:32.23 | bleeter | ima gunna hunt down the author and stab them in the face |
| 00:32.32 | Shirik | lua> a,b = 40393.0240000001, 40393.024; print(tostring(a), tostring(b), a > b) |
| 00:32.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: 40393.024, 40393.024, true |
| 00:32.35 | Shirik | there you go |
| 00:33.04 | MentalPower | Shirik: thats... odd... |
| 00:33.17 | MentalPower | the "smart words" are "what" "worth" by default |
| 00:33.22 | AnduinLothar | addons used to be pretty split hlf and half, but almost everyone uses just the addon folder now unless you're zipping more than 1 |
| 00:33.23 | MentalPower | and both of them have to be there |
| 00:33.37 | Shirik | maybe they both changed it then |
| 00:33.52 | MentalPower | Shirik: if you can get me the auctioneer.lua savedvariables from one of those two people I'd be happy to investigate further |
| 00:33.54 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: I wish more people would utilise the 'disabled addons' thing I recall from the days of messing with your App |
| 00:35.19 | foxlit | Shirik: it was something like if n1 > n2 then print(n1 .. " > " .. n2); end |
| 00:35.25 | foxlit | so that's tostring |
| 00:35.29 | Shirik | well see above |
| 00:35.34 | AnduinLothar | yeah. I like a clean addons folder |
| 00:35.59 | Shirik | lua> a,b = 40393.0240000001, 40393.024; if a > b then print(a .. [[ > ]] .. b); end |
| 00:36.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: 40393.024 > 40393.024 |
| 00:36.02 | AnduinLothar | but i found out it still processes those addons, so now i just have my dissabled addons outside the interface folder |
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| 00:37.10 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: err... what? |
| 00:37.26 | MentalPower | addons get loaded outside of Interface\AddOns? |
| 00:39.30 | Industrial | What does the Button->OnDragStop Script Handler pass? |
| 00:39.34 | Industrial | Button? |
| 00:39.36 | AnduinLothar | not loaded persay, btu parsed |
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| 00:42.52 | Corrodias | push button, receive drag |
| 00:43.09 | Industrial | preferrably |
| 00:43.17 | Zootfizzle | Rocky Horror Picture UI |
| 00:43.28 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 00:43.45 | Corrodias | absolutely |
| 00:44.27 | Zootfizzle | That's why you don't use commas to seperate a two item list ;) |
| 00:46.15 | *** join/#wowuidev quoin (n=quoin@219-90-169-124.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 00:49.25 | Kirov | Zootfizzle - Rocky Horror Picture UI? Would that just be a completely black screen with lips telling you you've died? |
| 00:50.00 | Zootfizzle | No, you'd press a button and receive drag. |
| 00:50.58 | kd3 | can we get that implemented on the next PTR? |
| 00:50.59 | MentalPower | ~cymbal |
| 00:51.41 | Zootfizzle | kd3: Oh my god, that's brilliant |
| 00:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:52.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, though, covered in mud. To shower, eat, or continue sitting here. |
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| 00:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: poke |
| 00:54.13 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: prod |
| 00:54.20 | Corrodias | ouch, the metascore on steam for the Golden Compass game is 25 |
| 00:54.33 | MentalPower | that "good" eh? |
| 00:55.04 | Corrodias | ow, harsh |
| 00:57.30 | Corrodias | what is hitman: blood money, in relation to the original? |
| 01:00.20 | Corrodias | latest game, i see |
| 01:00.40 | wereHamster | ~seen cogwheel |
| 01:00.43 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@c-67-180-52-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 17h 37m 31s ago, saying: 'Frisker-!'. |
| 01:01.09 | MentalPower | ~seen cog|work |
| 01:01.10 | purl | cog|work <n=chatzill@64-42-102-218.atgi.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 1h 39m 29s ago, saying: 'if you don't take the time to learn it on your own, you don't deserve the time of others'. |
| 01:01.26 | MentalPower | memorable quote :) |
| 01:01.27 | Zootfizzle | That's classic cogwheel for ya |
| 01:01.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@stud-nat-blk12.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 01:01.39 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 01:01.55 | Corrodias | how odd, the steam hitman pack contains the first game and not the third, while the box pack contains the third but not the first |
| 01:02.52 | Zootfizzle | My thought process is so crazy that your sentence caused me to feel bad about air polution in China. |
| 01:03.17 | Legorol | wow, Zootfizzle! |
| 01:03.29 | Legorol | hello and welcome in here, don't think i've seen you here before |
| 01:03.44 | Legorol | mingling? |
| 01:03.45 | AlexanderYoshi | Legorol, how are you doing? |
| 01:04.04 | Legorol | fine thanks AlexanderYoshi, long time no see :) |
| 01:04.12 | Legorol | is it still business time in Blizzard land? |
| 01:04.19 | Legorol | (my timezone arithmetic is not good atm) |
| 01:04.21 | AlexanderYoshi | It's always business time. |
| 01:04.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: he's a high-profile person ;) |
| 01:04.45 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: who, zoot or alex? |
| 01:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: the both of them ;) |
| 01:05.04 | foxlit | Growl, UIOptionsFrame calls default() and then hide/shows the active panel |
| 01:05.19 | foxlit | Yet default() is not supposed to set any permanent settings |
| 01:05.31 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: like, how high? |
| 01:05.37 | Legorol | slouken-high, or higher? |
| 01:05.41 | Zootfizzle | The Steam hitman packs are two sets which share members |
| 01:05.46 | foxlit | So panels have to keep a separate model of their settings? |
| 01:05.50 | Zootfizzle | Which reminds me of the olympic rings ;) |
| 01:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: high enough to do business 100% of the time |
| 01:05.54 | Zootfizzle | Which reminds me of China |
| 01:06.10 | Yssaril | when i set a keybind with SetBinding it dosnt persist between sessions do i have to backup my bind settings and call them on load myself? |
| 01:06.13 | Zootfizzle | Which reminds me of their air polution problem with the olympic games :X |
| 01:06.38 | foxlit | Am I making any sense? |
| 01:06.57 | Legorol | Yssaril: you need to call SaveBindings() or something similar i beleive |
| 01:07.00 | Legorol | then it may persist |
| 01:07.16 | Legorol | i don't know the details, but since you can clearly set persistent settings from the key bindings UI, should be possible from an addon too |
| 01:07.27 | Legorol | maybe look at how the blizz code does it? |
| 01:08.32 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle, they got the pollution thing covered i heared they will just shut down all their local industry before the games and turn them back on afterwards (benefit of being a communist country i guess) |
| 01:08.49 | Zootfizzle | Yssaril: That's terrible |
| 01:08.58 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle, hehe |
| 01:09.10 | Yssaril | prolly true though |
| 01:09.18 | Zootfizzle | Shutting down local industry is not beneficial :P |
| 01:09.28 | foxlit | Doubt things will dissipate fast enough either |
| 01:09.39 | Zootfizzle | foxlit: They already shut most things down |
| 01:09.42 | Zootfizzle | And prohibited cars |
| 01:09.49 | Zootfizzle | In a several hundred mile radius |
| 01:09.56 | Olison | Cairenn: ping |
| 01:10.03 | Cairenn | Olison: pong |
| 01:10.16 | AlexanderYoshi | lol |
| 01:10.16 | Olison | please remove mruseful ban :)) |
| 01:10.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b Mreuseful!*@*] by Cairenn |
| 01:10.43 | Olison | \o/ |
| 01:10.47 | Cairenn | errrr |
| 01:10.50 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b Mreuseful!*@*] by Shirik |
| 01:10.50 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b Mreuseful!*@*] by Shirik |
| 01:10.52 | Shirik | oops |
| 01:10.54 | Shirik | wrong button >< |
| 01:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:10.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b mruseful!*@*] by Cairenn |
| 01:11.02 | Cairenn | I mistyped |
| 01:11.05 | Yssaril | i guess calling SaveBindings(GetCurrentBindingSet()) works :P |
| 01:11.12 | Olison | Poor thing couldn't understand the forwarding function of freenode |
| 01:11.15 | Shirik | how did you remove a ban that doesnt exist? |
| 01:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it would be your "magic touch" |
| 01:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: of DEATH |
| 01:11.35 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b wulaijfeafewa!*@*] by Shirik |
| 01:11.38 | Shirik | that is so wierd |
| 01:11.38 | MentalPower | Shirik: mode does no checking |
| 01:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | (Don't ask, I just found out that AlexanderYoshi and Zootfizzle are not the same person) |
| 01:11.42 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!*@85-127-205-118.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] by Zootfizzle |
| 01:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | (Sshhhh) |
| 01:11.44 | MentalPower | it just does it |
| 01:11.56 | Zootfizzle | . |
| 01:11.58 | Zootfizzle | ... |
| 01:12.00 | Shirik | damn Zootfizzle |
| 01:12.02 | Cairenn | Olison: aye, which is why I temp-banned him until you got the new channel info set up for him |
| 01:12.02 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 01:12.04 | Shirik | he just lumped you in with AlexanderYoshi |
| 01:12.08 | Shirik | you gonna take that? |
| 01:12.15 | AlexanderYoshi | ... |
| 01:12.16 | Zootfizzle | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:12.16 | purl | nukes ScytheBlade1 with a single large nuke |
| 01:12.22 | Shirik | I mean |
| 01:12.26 | JoshBorke | i missed some stuff |
| 01:12.27 | Shirik | damn AlexanderYoshi, he just lumped you in with Zootfizzle |
| 01:12.30 | JoshBorke | anyone got wow working in wine atm? |
| 01:12.36 | kd3 | yup |
| 01:12.39 | AlexanderYoshi | Zootfizzle is my brother. |
| 01:12.41 | ScytheBlade1 | UI forums: "NEW BLUE POSTER!" |
| 01:12.42 | AlexanderYoshi | It's not shocking. |
| 01:12.48 | JoshBorke | animationdata.dbc :-( |
| 01:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Lua source: "AlexanderYoshi" |
| 01:12.53 | AlexanderYoshi | >;-D |
| 01:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "Oh, Zoot == Alex's forum avatar" |
| 01:13.13 | Zootfizzle | Haha |
| 01:13.18 | Zootfizzle | I write witty comments ;) |
| 01:13.18 | Shirik | lua> AlexanderYoshi == Zootfizzle |
| 01:13.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 01:13.19 | Cairenn | == Cairenn laughing at him |
| 01:13.20 | Shirik | o.o |
| 01:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | "Huh" |
| 01:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | So I PM Cairenn |
| 01:13.28 | AlexanderYoshi | Are you saying I can blame all of my bad behaviour on zoot? |
| 01:13.29 | AlexanderYoshi | I WIN |
| 01:13.33 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 01:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Ask if I was on the edge of being banned earlier (because I'm paranoid) |
| 01:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And it turns out... you are not the same person! |
| 01:13.53 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [ScytheBlade1!n=Alexande@ip68-109-71-246.oc.oc.cox.net] by AlexanderYoshi (Kick) |
| 01:13.58 | AlexanderYoshi | Grats! |
| 01:14.00 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 01:14.02 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 01:14.03 | AlexanderYoshi | Grats! |
| 01:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Desrved, I'd agree |
| 01:14.09 | *** kick/#Wowuidev [AlexanderYoshi!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (*punt*) |
| 01:14.10 | JoshBorke | do i reboot into windows to run addons in wow |
| 01:14.11 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 01:14.16 | JoshBorke | or do i watch anime instead? |
| 01:14.21 | *** join/#wowuidev AlexanderYoshi (n=Alexande@ip68-109-71-246.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 01:14.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o AlexanderYoshi] by ChanServ |
| 01:14.26 | kd3 | whuh? addons have been working fine |
| 01:14.27 | AlexanderYoshi | KICK FEST |
| 01:14.32 | Shirik | watch anime while playing wow |
| 01:14.32 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Zootfizzle!n=Alexande@ip68-109-71-246.oc.oc.cox.net] by AlexanderYoshi (Kick) |
| 01:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Like |
| 01:14.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 01:14.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 01:14.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 01:14.44 | Shirik | now now kiddies |
| 01:14.48 | AlexanderYoshi | kick one down |
| 01:14.50 | AlexanderYoshi | pass it around |
| 01:14.50 | JoshBorke | Shirik: can't. i broke my dual monitor setup in linux :-( |
| 01:14.52 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-oo AlexanderYoshi Zootfizzle] by Shirik |
| 01:14.55 | Shirik | timeout for both of you |
| 01:14.56 | AlexanderYoshi | :( |
| 01:14.57 | Shirik | go sit in the corner |
| 01:14.59 | MentalPower | nice :P |
| 01:15.00 | AlexanderYoshi | sniffle |
| 01:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I should breath IRL for a moment but |
| 01:15.02 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:15.06 | kd3 | josh; ati or nvidia? |
| 01:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Sorry you two! |
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| 01:15.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 01:15.17 | Zootfizzle | ... |
| 01:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll l2p in my corner over here, silently |
| 01:15.21 | *** part/#wowuidev AlexanderYoshi (n=Alexande@ip68-109-71-246.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 01:15.24 | Shirik | :< |
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| 01:15.26 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o AlexanderYoshi] by ChanServ |
| 01:15.30 | Olison | .wowtools start |
| 01:15.30 | MrUseful | Wowtools active for channel #wowuidev (ChanID 439). Information for channelops and users is available under http://fireglow.de/wowbot.html |
| 01:15.30 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 01:15.35 | JoshBorke | wtf is this mruseful? |
| 01:15.42 | Olison | nthin! |
| 01:15.50 | Olison | ignore the previous message :D |
| 01:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, the arena bot |
| 01:15.56 | Cairenn | bot that was in here before, got confused with the channel name change/forward |
| 01:16.00 | AlexanderYoshi | You are correct. |
| 01:16.11 | ScytheBlade1 | AlexanderYoshi: /msg chanserv op #wowuidev |
| 01:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Tada! |
| 01:16.26 | Cairenn | ooooooo |
| 01:16.30 | Cairenn | thems fighting words! |
| 01:16.38 | AlexanderYoshi | I just have the solve the problem, I don't have to make them run fast. |
| 01:16.46 | Shirik | Im an engineer. Do you know what I think of designers? |
| 01:16.53 | Shirik | No we need it smaller so it can fit in this shape!! |
| 01:16.56 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you know what the channel thinks of engineers? |
| 01:16.57 | Zootfizzle | I don't, it depends on if you're a good engineer ;) |
| 01:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
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| 01:17.19 | Cairenn | back later |
| 01:17.20 | Shirik | putting together a complex circuit to fit on a board no more than .4 inches wide... not fun |
| 01:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | This will still take some getting used to. |
| 01:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> "AlexanderYoshi" ~= "Zootfizzle" |
| 01:17.36 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: true |
| 01:17.55 | Shirik | Hey |
| 01:18.00 | Shirik | I honestly wouldnt have a problem with that right now |
| 01:18.08 | Shirik | Im loving my 950 mp5, but its a bit OP |
| 01:18.12 | JoshBorke | quick, now that Cairenn is gone, let teh chaos of earlier ensue! |
| 01:18.23 | Zootfizzle | no wai |
| 01:18.34 | AlexanderYoshi | bleh |
| 01:18.36 | Zootfizzle | I have a gnomish death ray pointed at all of you. |
| 01:18.45 | Shirik | ~kill Zootfizzle |
| 01:18.46 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxneutrino gun at Zootfizzle |
| 01:18.46 | AlexanderYoshi | So, I'm working on this addon |
| 01:18.46 | Zootfizzle | There's a 95% chance it will hurt you and not me! |
| 01:18.52 | *** kick/#wowuidev [purl!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (Zootfizzle) |
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| 01:20.38 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. You don't have to change your login script, /join #wowi-lounge will still work, it'll just auto-forward you to here | "Zooty-zoot, zoot, zoot!" |
| 01:20.41 | Zootfizzle | No, it was a movie reference, Shirik and I just dated ourselves. |
| 01:20.48 | Zootfizzle | Kids these days never watch the classics. |
| 01:20.50 | Corrodias | instead of buying Assassin's Creed, i spent the same amount of money to get Splinter Cell, Hitman 2, and Hitman 4 |
| 01:20.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:20.54 | kd3 | JoshBorke, all hail compiz: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e38c7c29f843625f051606056595524d.jpg |
| 01:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: /query purl invite #wowuidev |
| 01:21.09 | Shirik | obviously my command worked :P |
| 01:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa |
| 01:21.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So it did |
| 01:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
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| 01:21.27 | sag_ich_nicht | hai |
| 01:21.33 | sag_ich_nicht | can we be friends now |
| 01:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sup |
| 01:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | *crickets* |
| 01:22.17 | JoshBorke | kd3: see through wow is freaky |
| 01:22.27 | kd3 | I only do that for screenshots |
| 01:22.27 | JoshBorke | kd3: help me get my dual monitors working in hardy :_( |
| 01:22.56 | JoshBorke | the graphical nvidia thing fails me |
| 01:23.11 | Zootfizzle | As it does everyone |
| 01:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Real men use vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:23.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And lynx to read the nvidia docs in another terminal |
| 01:24.03 | kd3 | all I did was use TwinView... wanna see my .conf? |
| 01:24.04 | JoshBorke | fucking man |
| 01:24.11 | Zootfizzle | I'm happy being a fake man. |
| 01:24.24 | JoshBorke | 2 monitors at different resolutions = pain |
| 01:24.54 | kd3 | there's info on that in nvidia's docs... |
| 01:25.03 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:25.38 | JoshBorke | yea, it was working when i was running gutsy |
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| 01:27.07 | AlexanderYoshi | alright I'm going rollerblading |
| 01:27.07 | AlexanderYoshi | buy |
| 01:27.09 | AlexanderYoshi | bye |
| 01:27.13 | kd3 | anyway, need to get food before it gets too late. 2130 over here |
| 01:27.16 | kd3 | roller blading? |
| 01:27.27 | JoshBorke | buy bye |
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| 01:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine don't |
| 01:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But what I need is a good bicycle |
| 01:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd get some use out of that |
| 01:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh, that's weird. WoW uses more CPU at the login screen than the character selection screen. |
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| 01:39.03 | MentalPower | known... |
| 01:39.24 | MentalPower | I still dunno why |
| 01:45.38 | Kirov | There's a lot more happening on that login screen |
| 01:45.45 | Kirov | (particles, etc.) |
| 01:46.13 | JoshBorke | lies and mistruths! |
| 01:47.56 | Shirik | Anyone here versed in C/C++ bitfields? |
| 01:48.39 | MentalPower | are they not the same as bitfields in any other lang? |
| 01:49.36 | Shirik | well, the question was a little bit more complex than that :p |
| 01:50.15 | MentalPower | I expected as much, go on :) |
| 01:50.23 | sag_ich_nicht | hai Cairenn |
| 01:50.25 | sag_ich_nicht | ~hug Cairenn |
| 01:50.26 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 01:50.33 | Cairenn | welcome back sag_ich_nicht |
| 01:50.57 | Shirik | Would baz operate correctly here? http://wowi.pastey.net/85649 |
| 01:51.05 | Shirik | or could it cause havoc with other variables |
| 01:53.20 | MentalPower | unsure |
| 01:57.41 | MentalPower | I'd be interested in the response |
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| 01:58.21 | Shirik | I should go ask the guys in ##c++ |
| 01:58.28 | JoshBorke | yea you sohuld |
| 01:59.20 | JoshBorke | thank god i remembered i could run multiple x sessions |
| 02:02.45 | Shirik | well that was a simple answer |
| 02:02.58 | MentalPower | yup |
| 02:03.11 | Shirik | guess that means I cant use bitfields though |
| 02:03.15 | Shirik | oh well |
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| 02:08.35 | Syzgyn | just to make sure I'm not going crazy |
| 02:08.44 | Syzgyn | theres no alternative to SinkLib for rock, correct? |
| 02:08.54 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 02:09.03 | sag_ich_nicht | SinkLib is LibStub'd iirc |
| 02:09.16 | Syzgyn | I believe you're right |
| 02:09.30 | Syzgyn | I wish I had known that before I coded the whole mod :V |
| 02:13.30 | Shirik | what is SinkLib? |
| 02:15.23 | Cairenn | this mod always makes me chuckle when I approve it: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw8825.jpg |
| 02:15.40 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:15.48 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7390-Comix.html |
| 02:16.58 | Zootfizzle | LOL |
| 02:17.47 | Cairenn | I'm tempted to make a "ROFL" download category |
| 02:18.41 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: lol |
| 02:18.52 | Cairenn | put ones like that, joo janta 200 super-chromatic peril sensitive sunglasses, etc in it |
| 02:19.55 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: or ArcadiaLogos |
| 02:20.18 | Shirik | chuck norris ui? |
| 02:20.23 | Cairenn | heh, yu |
| 02:20.26 | Cairenn | yup* |
| 02:20.46 | Cairenn | the ultimate medieval insult device |
| 02:20.50 | MentalPower | hello kitty? |
| 02:20.53 | Cairenn | the your mom button |
| 02:21.03 | Cairenn | ya know, I really should |
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| 02:40.59 | Kirov | omg |
| 02:41.09 | Kirov | Gello popped his head out |
| 02:41.54 | Cairenn | yup |
| 02:41.58 | Cairenn | updated adapt |
| 02:46.27 | Gngsk | Gello! |
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| 02:55.16 | JoshBorke | lies and deceipt! |
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| 02:56.15 | Cairenn | sekrets! |
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| 02:59.09 | JoshBorke | woot! |
| 02:59.12 | JoshBorke | finally fixed my screens |
| 02:59.17 | JoshBorke | dual monitors in linux again |
| 03:00.13 | kd3 | grats |
| 03:00.30 | JoshBorke | wanna know what it was? |
| 03:00.51 | kd3 | sure |
| 03:01.04 | JoshBorke | i didn't run the nvidia-settings app as root :_D |
| 03:01.10 | JoshBorke | man i'm an idiot |
| 03:01.15 | kd3 | oops |
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| 03:02.30 | Corrodias | now that's amusing |
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| 03:07.30 | JoshBorke | what? me being an idiot? |
| 03:07.52 | JoshBorke | the entry was under administration so i just assumed that it would run with root privileges |
| 03:07.55 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 03:08.05 | JoshBorke | maybe i should post that as a bug |
| 03:08.06 | Corrodias | damn you Steam, you make it so easy to spend $70 with a few clicks. |
| 03:08.29 | kd3 | nowai |
| 03:08.36 | JoshBorke | kd3: btw, dual wide screen monitors is <3 |
| 03:08.42 | JoshBorke | i'm jealous |
| 03:08.42 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 03:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So, we start Kara tonight, having cleared through Opera |
| 03:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone buffs up |
| 03:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Sits there |
| 03:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | .... sits there |
| 03:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "Uh |
| 03:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have the Urn?" |
| 03:10.12 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "... no" |
| 03:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "..." |
| 03:10.43 | Shirik | !api GetSpellCooldown |
| 03:10.43 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetSpellCooldown' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 03:11.16 | JoshBorke | nn |
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| 03:38.45 | Zootfizzle | I can't believe Microsoft expects people to seriously use handwriting recognition as a primary form of input on PCs |
| 03:38.56 | Zootfizzle | It takes forever |
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| 03:40.22 | MentalPower | its been getting better |
| 03:40.24 | MentalPower | lots better |
| 03:41.03 | MentalPower | it will never supplant typing for programming, but it works for when you only have one hand to work with |
| 03:41.26 | Zootfizzle | Don't get me wrong, the recognition parts work way better for sure |
| 03:42.31 | Zootfizzle | I'm using it now. It Just ends up being words per now instead of words per minute. |
| 03:43.12 | Zootfizzle | s/now/hour/ |
| 03:43.16 | Zootfizzle | Nnnggh |
| 03:43.24 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:43.30 | Zootfizzle | Screw that crap |
| 03:43.31 | Zootfizzle | Typing ftw |
| 03:48.32 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:50.30 | Shirik | Zootfizzle: You know what I loved? Palm Graffiti |
| 03:50.31 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.35 | Shirik | I could write incredibly fast with it |
| 03:50.38 | Tem | tank enfeble |
| 03:50.40 | Shirik | you just need to get used to it |
| 03:51.06 | Shirik | I could get about maybe 40 words per minute which isnt bad considering youre writing by hand |
| 03:51.32 | Gnarfoz | Tem: wheee someone with more threat than the tank on malchezzar's hate list but not high enough to pull aggro :> |
| 03:51.46 | Shirik | but what I really want is one of those laser keyboards for my palm |
| 03:51.54 | Shirik | only thing I have against it is you dont have the feel of a keyboard |
| 03:52.02 | Tem | pretty much yeah |
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| 04:04.41 | Shirik | ... wow, who would have thought the Itanium is such a crazy processor >< |
| 04:05.15 | Shirik | Reading an article about memory alignment and it shows benchmarks where attempting to access misaligned data resulted in the program slowing down to 1/439th the speed of the aligned version |
| 04:05.42 | Mike-N-Go | I am trying to get my AD rep up so I can get attuned for Nax, I am a level 70 hunter. I have firneldy with Argent Dawn, anyone konw where, outside of the instance, I can kill elites for more then two rep a kill? |
| 04:05.51 | Corrodias | shit, 439 is pretty severe |
| 04:05.56 | Shirik | 459 Im sorry |
| 04:06.01 | kd3 | at 70? they're all going to be 2 rep a kill |
| 04:06.12 | Shirik | on a Pentium 4, it only slowed down 2x, but still its there |
| 04:06.14 | kd3 | don't think there's any 62-63s in the open world |
| 04:07.20 | kd3 | it'll probably be faster to do the cauldron quests |
| 04:07.29 | Mike-N-Go | kd3: How much rep would they give were I lower in level? |
| 04:07.40 | Mike-N-Go | What is this Cauldron? |
| 04:07.40 | Tem | *sigh* @ bad infernals |
| 04:07.48 | Tem | 4 in a row right on our tank |
| 04:08.21 | Corrodias | even raiding seems like nonsense to me at this time |
| 04:08.52 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Argent_Dawn#Reputation |
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| 04:26.56 | kd3 | sigh |
| 04:31.03 | AnduinLothar | anyone know what the major differences are of xml 1.0 and 1.1? |
| 04:34.09 | Guillotine | MP: hahaha, google "HighRoller addon". Somebody made a fuggin youtube video about our addon XD |
| 04:34.39 | Corrodias | shouldn't i search youtube? |
| 04:35.22 | Guillotine | I suppose that might work |
| 04:35.39 | Corrodias | holy crap his game loads quickly |
| 04:36.47 | Corrodias | does it actually play the video? |
| 04:36.55 | Corrodias | because i haven't seen that done before |
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| 04:37.13 | MentalPower | Corrodias: WHUT? |
| 04:37.24 | MentalPower | Corrodias: YOU MUST DOWNLOAD THE ADDON NOW! |
| 04:37.33 | kd3 | ^ |
| 04:41.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It got a thread on EJ |
| 04:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | "I can't believe someone managed to make an argument out of this thread" hahahaha |
| 04:45.52 | Corrodias | i'll never understand this. why do the resolution options for this game read 640x480 (4/3), 1024x768 (4/3), 1280x1024 (5/4), and 1600x1200 (4/3)? |
| 04:46.37 | Kirov | Why not? |
| 04:46.39 | Corrodias | why would you include a single 5/4 ratio resolution among all the standard 4/3 ones, and EVEN MORESO why would you OMIT a 4/3 option? |
| 04:46.57 | Corrodias | i mean, including more choices i can't argue with, but -not- including obvious ones? that's sick |
| 04:47.11 | Kirov | 1280x960? |
| 04:47.19 | Corrodias | indeed; that's my favorite |
| 04:47.48 | Kirov | well, most LCDs these days are 1280x1024 |
| 04:47.54 | Kirov | annoyingly so |
| 04:47.56 | Gnarfoz | because there are virtually -no- 'max resolution of 1280x960' CRTs |
| 04:48.09 | Corrodias | i don't know who popularized 1280x1024, but i want to choke them |
| 04:48.12 | Gnarfoz | and actually, no, most LCDs are wide screen these days |
| 04:48.28 | Corrodias | with piano wire |
| 04:49.10 | Corrodias | unreal engine, eh? i should be able to set it with the .ini |
| 04:50.13 | Gnarfoz | (actually, I see no reason, ever, to not simply display all valid resolutions your OS knows about for your screen/graphics card) |
| 04:50.34 | Corrodias | in case you poorly design your UI and require certain resolutions to display it properly. but that's lazy. |
| 04:50.43 | Corrodias | that's how diablo 2 did it |
| 04:51.05 | MentalPower | Corrodias: WoW does not use the unreal engine |
| 04:51.22 | Corrodias | eh? oh, no, i'm talking about splinter cell |
| 04:51.48 | MentalPower | oh you never specified, nm then |
| 04:52.03 | Arrowmaster | 1024x768 was popularized by the early low end lcds |
| 04:52.05 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 04:52.05 | Corrodias | how odd. i don't see the resolution specified in the .ini file |
| 04:52.10 | Arrowmaster | 1280x1024 |
| 04:52.36 | Corrodias | they appear to have moved it to the user.ini for this game |
| 04:53.29 | Arrowmaster | i still want to know how the fuck theres laptops with 17" 1980x1200 screens |
| 04:53.29 | MentalPower | Corrodias: did you try HighRoller? |
| 04:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: carefully |
| 04:53.44 | Corrodias | no, i'm avoiding WoW as much as possible lately |
| 04:53.51 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: my previous laptop was a 15" 1920x1200 |
| 04:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: dead pixels on those are not much of a concern though |
| 04:53.56 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 04:53.58 | MentalPower | 15.4" |
| 04:54.03 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck |
| 04:54.14 | MentalPower | it worked perfectly too |
| 04:54.18 | MentalPower | no dead pixels |
| 04:54.21 | Arrowmaster | how low of a dpi is that |
| 04:54.36 | MentalPower | you mean how high :) |
| 04:54.41 | Arrowmaster | er yeah |
| 04:55.23 | Corrodias | there we go. forced it into my preferred resolution and windowed mode. i don't know why they don't just make these options in the UI. |
| 04:56.08 | Arrowmaster | 96dpi is suppost to be ideal norm |
| 04:56.24 | Arrowmaster | i know my 20" 1600x1200 is like exactly 100dpi |
| 05:01.56 | Corrodias | how interesting. in UT2004 i had my mouse sensitivity set to 2.5 (1/3 what it is for half-life engine games). in splinter cell it defaults to 50. i wonder if it's on a different scale. |
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| 05:07.20 | Kirov | Splinter Cell's version of Unreal Engine is a lot different than UT2004 |
| 05:08.07 | Kirov | Most Unreal Engine games out there, the actual game's renderer and often much of the underlying engine has been completely rewritten from what the original Unreal Engine was |
| 05:11.37 | Kirov | Ubisoft (Splinter Cell), Eidos (Thief, Deus Ex), Lineage 2 and Bioshock all use the "Unreal Engine", but really they're just using the Unreal tools, and rewrite the engine to fit their needs. |
| 05:12.41 | Kirov | Actually, quite a few recent Lucas Arts games have been Unreal Engine based, but they pay a shit ton of extra money so they don't have to say it's the Unreal Engine and can pretend it's their tech. |
| 05:15.12 | Corrodias | huh. interesting |
| 05:15.32 | Corrodias | deus ex, that's supposed to be on my to-play list |
| 05:15.42 | Kirov | 1 or 2? |
| 05:15.48 | Corrodias | 1 |
| 05:16.58 | Kirov | Heh, you're running a little late on that aren't you? |
| 05:17.51 | Corrodias | i live in the past |
| 05:18.19 | kd3 | mm... mid 60s, 10mph breeze. why can't we have weather like this during the day? |
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| 05:19.40 | Kirov | Corrodias - When I played Deus Ex people made fun of me because it was 2 years old |
| 05:19.50 | Kirov | it's an 8 year old game now |
| 05:20.14 | *** join/#wowuidev ven (n=ven@i59F55B43.versanet.de) |
| 05:20.24 | Kirov | An 8 year old and very buggy game that might not run anymore. heh |
| 05:20.48 | Kirov | Though, I take that back. The did re-release it on steam last year |
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| 05:22.13 | Zootfizzle | I love the Creative Commons license |
| 05:22.15 | Zootfizzle | I want to have its babies |
| 05:23.52 | kd3 | the question is, which? there's about 38,432 CC licenses? |
| 05:28.08 | Corrodias | cool |
| 05:28.35 | Zootfizzle | If I have to pick, I want to have Jonathan Coulton's CC license's babies |
| 05:28.37 | Corrodias | argh, this Splinter Cell is already frustrating me. it told me how to equip the lock pick but not how to actually -activate- it |
| 05:29.12 | Corrodias | ah, the fire button |
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| 05:33.19 | Kirov | Corrodias - that one got me too |
| 05:33.34 | Kirov | Corrodias - And I was playing it on the "correct" platform (Xbox) |
| 05:35.44 | Corrodias | so far i haven't found a point to the "use" keybind |
| 05:35.54 | Corrodias | oh wait, yeah, it draws the weapon |
| 05:39.35 | kd3 | lmao... fark: [PSA] In Maine, it is now a Class C felony to view children in a public place |
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| 05:41.33 | Corrodias | huh :o |
| 05:42.00 | Corrodias | okay, so now, i wonder what this yellow vertical bar in the upper right corner of the screen is for |
| 05:42.04 | Corrodias | so far it has done nothing as far as i can tell |
| 05:44.02 | Kirov | Corrodias - in splinter cell still? |
| 05:44.08 | Corrodias | yes |
| 05:45.59 | Kirov | That's your health |
| 05:47.03 | Kirov | If you play the game "right", you'll almost never see it change. |
| 05:48.58 | Corrodias | alright, thanks |
| 05:49.08 | Corrodias | okay, switching to full screen and trying to turn on some AA |
| 05:51.27 | Guillotine | oo, I have splinter cell for the gameboy. Good game |
| 05:51.33 | Guillotine | though I can't get past this one level :( |
| 05:52.39 | Corrodias | looks like i might have to force it in the control panel |
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| 06:02.14 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: we're having a discussion in #wowace about possible reasons the minimap texture file names are md5 hashed |
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| 06:06.48 | Guillotine | Arrowmaster: because md4 was too few |
| 06:06.58 | Arrowmaster | win |
| 06:12.46 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3641754911&sid=1 <-WIN |
| 06:13.20 | Tem | hmm |
| 06:14.08 | Guillotine | Fisker-: I don't get it. Whats win about that thread? |
| 06:14.29 | Fisker- | athenelol got banned |
| 06:14.34 | MentalPower | Guillotine: the GM being clueless as to who the person was asking about |
| 06:14.46 | Kirov | Who is Athenlol? |
| 06:14.49 | Tem | I can't get TF2 to load up |
| 06:14.49 | Tem | hl2.exe hangs when I try to start it |
| 06:15.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 06:15.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 06:15.12 | Guillotine | MP: I'm clueless as to who the person is asking about o.O |
| 06:15.17 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 06:15.26 | Guillotine | maybe its an EU thing |
| 06:15.36 | Fisker- | he's some attentionwhore on the eu forums |
| 06:15.39 | Tem | what was the thread just linked? |
| 06:15.47 | Tem | I lost it because my client closed |
| 06:16.00 | Yssaril | some pally that was full of himself and holds the leveling record form 0-70 in just over 1 day |
| 06:16.05 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3641754911&sid=1 <-this? |
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| 06:16.42 | MentalPower | http://www.athene.movielol.org/ <--This idiot... |
| 06:16.48 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Gul'dan Ruknor |
| 06:17.05 | Yssaril | he also had a video show or whatever about wow and he went on an RP server on his main account and basically used non RP (read very offensive) language and he got banned :P |
| 06:17.35 | Kirov | Except he didnt actually do it. |
| 06:18.23 | Yssaril | Kirov, what u mean he didn't do it? it was on his account he was responsible for it serves him right imo |
| 06:18.56 | Kirov | No, he didn't actually level his character |
| 06:19.06 | Yssaril | ahh that idk |
| 06:19.23 | Kirov | It's satire |
| 06:19.41 | Kirov | The entire thing is a big hoax |
| 06:20.03 | Yssaril | now that be funny as hell :) |
| 06:20.21 | Kirov | As far as I know, this is the wow equivalent of that emo girl thing |
| 06:23.17 | Guillotine | http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/ <-- win |
| 06:23.26 | Kirov | Oh, I love those |
| 06:25.27 | sag_ich_nicht | hai Guillotine |
| 06:25.31 | sag_ich_nicht | do you want cookies |
| 06:25.32 | Guillotine | uh oh |
| 06:25.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll give you cookies |
| 06:25.56 | sag_ich_nicht | if you improve telltrack |
| 06:25.56 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 06:26.16 | Fisker- | it's insane |
| 06:26.25 | Fisker- | people who put up netherweave cloth for under 3g |
| 06:26.29 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 06:26.32 | sag_ich_nicht | free gold |
| 06:26.47 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 06:27.02 | Fisker- | gonna use it for my shard project for tomorrow :D |
| 06:27.07 | Fisker- | badge vendor unlocked |
| 06:27.11 | Fisker- | got like 120 shards ready |
| 06:27.19 | sag_ich_nicht | [08:14] <Fisker-> athenelol got banned <--permaban? |
| 06:27.46 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 06:27.49 | Fisker- | but i hope so |
| 06:27.53 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god |
| 06:27.55 | sag_ich_nicht | that'd be awesome |
| 06:28.02 | sag_ich_nicht | damn attention whore |
| 06:28.18 | art3mis | for anyone that cares demonoid is back and the old logins work |
| 06:28.31 | sag_ich_nicht | W00t |
| 06:28.48 | Fisker- | demonoid sucks :D |
| 06:28.59 | Zootfizzle | Pot |
| 06:29.00 | Zootfizzle | Kettle |
| 06:29.01 | Zootfizzle | Black |
| 06:29.12 | Zootfizzle | That's all |
| 06:31.25 | art3mis | thats racist |
| 06:31.32 | art3mis | how do you know fisker is black? |
| 06:31.52 | Zootfizzle | What's fisker got to do, got to do with it? |
| 06:31.59 | Zootfizzle | Who's Fisker- but somebody who typed while I was typing? |
| 06:32.01 | Cairenn | art3mis: piss off dear |
| 06:32.12 | art3mis | he's a second hand netizen? |
| 06:32.19 | Fisker- | you're doing it wrong |
| 06:32.42 | art3mis | okies |
| 06:32.44 | Fisker- | you don't mix kind requests with swearwords |
| 06:32.44 | *** part/#wowuidev art3mis (i=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis) |
| 06:33.21 | Zootfizzle | o_O |
| 06:33.41 | Fisker- | lol |
| 06:34.12 | Fisker- | Someone just said in trade he could craft Smoking Heart of the Mountain for mats + a 15g fee |
| 06:34.26 | Fisker- | [08:33:07] [2. Trade] [Druesukker]: I dont think anyone is gonna supply you with mats AND pay you a fee to make urself a useless trinket :b |
| 06:34.47 | Fisker- | (Smoking heart of the mountain is bop of course) |
| 06:36.12 | Corrodias | wow, i'm definitely not cut out for this kind of game |
| 06:36.19 | Corrodias | or at least i'm doing very poorly so far |
| 06:36.37 | Kirov | Keep getting killed? |
| 06:37.13 | Corrodias | well, i have little idea of where i'm supposed to be going (my best guess is "wherever the game lets me") and how to get past people |
| 06:37.43 | Corrodias | i'm heading toward some square, and only god knows where it is, but i guess it's probably down the street since that seems to be the only way open |
| 06:37.57 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle: we're having a discussion in #wowace about possible reasons the minimap texture file names are md5 hashed (quoted from Arrowmaster) |
| 06:38.09 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle, any ideas? |
| 06:38.32 | Zootfizzle | I can tell you explicitly why ;) |
| 06:38.49 | Corrodias | for a fee |
| 06:39.15 | Zootfizzle | At release, we didn't want people to easily reassemble them into a whole. |
| 06:40.07 | Yssaril | ahhh thats kinda what we thought :) to slow down datamining :) |
| 06:40.10 | Arrowmaster | did we not have md5translate.trs at release? |
| 06:41.19 | MentalPower | yes, but not many (no one) knew how to read DBC files |
| 06:41.25 | Zootfizzle | I think the goal was to make it inconvenient enough so that it wouldn't be widely done. |
| 06:42.05 | MentalPower | that goal is kinda out the window tho |
| 06:42.38 | Zootfizzle | It's worth mentioning that the philosophy has changed since then, partly since WoW's popularity has ensured that every possible bit of data mining imaginable has been done, it's just not particularly been worth the effort to change the way that the system works. |
| 06:43.21 | Kirov | MentalPower - I think at this point Blizzard has learned that "inconvenience" is not enough of a deterent. |
| 06:44.38 | MentalPower | Zootfizzle: brownie points if you can tell us what the source text for the MD5 is :) |
| 06:45.57 | Zootfizzle | MentalPower: I can tell you, give me my brownie points. |
| 06:46.46 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 06:46.49 | Kirov | My experience has actually been anything that's not impossible, but just "inconvenient" will usually lead to that happening sooner rather than later. |
| 06:46.54 | Corrodias | you said if he can and not if he does |
| 06:46.59 | Corrodias | word humor! |
| 06:47.30 | Corrodias | of course. if it's inconvenient, it's probably hiding something tasty |
| 06:47.30 | Yssaril | Kirov, agreed and if its 'impossible' it will happen even sooner :) |
| 06:47.48 | MentalPower | if he doesn't say then I won't give him the rest of the stash :) |
| 06:48.45 | Corrodias | okay, back to trying to get past police to an unknown destination |
| 06:49.33 | Zootfizzle | MentalPower: IIRC the source text is the specific file's actual name. |
| 06:50.00 | Zootfizzle | I believe our build server renames them all to their MD5 hashes and does the md5translate.trs stuff. |
| 06:50.13 | Zootfizzle | Since storing them on our end with those filenames would be a pain :P |
| 06:50.52 | Fisker- | how many brownies for the contents of the branches folder? |
| 06:51.06 | NotGuill | alright, is sag gone? >.> <.< |
| 06:51.24 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: i tried md5'ing the names listed in md5translate.trs and it didnt come up with the hash listed |
| 06:51.25 | Fisker- | clever disguise |
| 06:51.46 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle, i actually had a question is there anyway that you guys could give us a function for the spelllink for a spell as a questreward? currently i scan thru all spellid's and match the tooltip :( |
| 06:52.07 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Perhaps there's a path involved, or case, or suffixes, or prefixes, or the hash the file contents, etc |
| 06:52.16 | Arrowmaster | they need to give a lot more spelllink api's |
| 06:52.44 | Yssaril | hehe its the only one i need atm though so its on the top of my list :) |
| 06:53.28 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: considering how the filenames tend to change on major patches im guessing its full path so when they make a new branch we get new filenames |
| 06:56.37 | Kirov | They might not be MD5 hashes at all, but a guid. |
| 06:56.58 | Kirov | (ie: completely random) |
| 06:57.03 | Iriel | I suspect md5translate is a good enough reason to think they're an md5 |
| 06:57.45 | Arrowmaster | and they look like md5 hashes |
| 06:59.37 | kd3 | gah... it's already 27:00? |
| 07:00.47 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: I know you're wrong about the path changes |
| 07:01.16 | Zootfizzle | The only reason I know anything specifically about the system is because I wrote my own addon to assemble minimap fragments into large area maps =P |
| 07:01.26 | Arrowmaster | then why do all the hashes change from 2.2 to 2.3, and then again from 2.3 to 2.4 |
| 07:01.29 | Zootfizzle | And then later looked at why they were crazy MD5 hash filenames out of personal interest. |
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| 07:01.47 | Zootfizzle | For a reason that I'm not neurotic enough to know exactly, sorry ;) |
| 07:02.37 | Zootfizzle | I invite you to become a library of information that may only occasionally be useful so that you can offer up said information to random people to whom you have no direct relationship at the drop of a hat. |
| 07:02.42 | Arrowmaster | speaking of maps, i assume youve seen ckknights work in progress? |
| 07:02.43 | Zootfizzle | I'm too busy for that too. |
| 07:02.54 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:03.03 | Arrowmaster | i already am a library of random information |
| 07:03.09 | Zootfizzle | Grats. |
| 07:03.34 | Kirov | A random parade! Yay! |
| 07:03.55 | Kirov | It's kind of like the olympic torch "run" (ie: bus ride) in san francisco! |
| 07:05.33 | Fisker- | what is ckknight working on Arrowmaster? :o |
| 07:05.45 | Arrowmaster | carbonite killer |
| 07:05.51 | Yssaril | cartograph3 |
| 07:05.53 | bleeter | Gah, why is the GM ticket text input area so huuuge. I keep trying to file tickets, get halfway through a sentence, then realise I've gotta start dropping punctuation and words and stuff to fit what I want in >< |
| 07:06.09 | Yssaril | looks pretty sweet so far |
| 07:07.16 | Kirov | is cartographer3 out? |
| 07:07.47 | Yssaril | nope |
| 07:07.58 | Yssaril | just internal tech previews atm |
| 07:08.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah last time i had it enabled i couldnt figure out how to close it and had to relog and disable it |
| 07:08.16 | Zootfizzle | bleeter: We're fixing it! |
| 07:08.29 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: lies |
| 07:08.30 | Yssaril | has a while to go till its ready for testing :) and it still dosnt close :) |
| 07:08.38 | bleeter | you guys never fix anything or do anything, well known fact |
| 07:08.39 | bleeter | ;) :P |
| 07:08.57 | Fisker- | people who take to many mobs than they can handle are fun |
| 07:08.59 | Yssaril | bleeter, no they are fixing it soon :P |
| 07:08.59 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: seriously, though, good to hear :) |
| 07:09.07 | bleeter | ohhh, soon. rightio :) |
| 07:09.08 | Fisker- | especially since they can handle them just fine until i come and kill them |
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| 07:13.53 | Kirov | He will be with us always. |
| 07:14.14 | MentalPower | ? |
| 07:14.16 | Shirik | quickly! Call ghostbusters! |
| 07:14.20 | *** kick/#wowuidev [dolbys-ghost!i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 07:14.24 | *** join/#wowuidev dolbys-ghost (n=Dolby@CPE-70-94-30-72.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 07:14.34 | Shirik | oh no, it keeps coming back! |
| 07:14.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Arcaia (n=cnflct@131.247.77.178) |
| 07:16.16 | Kirov | When there's something straaange, in the neighborhood... who you gunna call?! HEMAN! |
| 07:18.24 | Shirik | Cairenn :( dolbys-ghosts being mean to me! |
| 07:18.46 | Cairenn | so? you know what it'll take to get rid of him |
| 07:19.56 | Shirik | yeah, you two are on the same side, I forgot |
| 07:20.04 | Shirik | *cries to someone else* Zootfizzle, dolbys-ghosts being mean to me |
| 07:20.04 | Kirov | Sure, but where are you going to get rubber trees at this time of the night? |
| 07:20.17 | Zootfizzle | Hmm |
| 07:21.17 | Shirik | T_T |
| 07:21.21 | MentalPower | lol |
| 07:21.22 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Shirik] by Zootfizzle |
| 07:22.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 07:23.22 | Shirik | then when the moment is right |
| 07:23.23 | Shirik | STRIKE! |
| 07:23.31 | Zootfizzle | ./msg ChanServ ACCESS DEL wowuidev Shirik ;) |
| 07:23.54 | Zootfizzle | FIRST STRIKE DIPLOMACY! |
| 07:24.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 07:24.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:25.39 | Fisker- | Suddenly FISHING BOBBERS EVERYWHERE |
| 07:25.49 | Fisker- | a group of 5 alliance just came to do the fishing daily :< |
| 07:27.59 | Xinhuan | i hate it when that happens |
| 07:28.23 | Xinhuan | since the fishping wave file that i overrode will play a lot of times, rather than only on my own bobber T_T |
| 07:29.37 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/fishermen.gif |
| 07:30.04 | Xinhuan | that was before "Queue as group" was removed from AV hehe |
| 07:30.35 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Dolby] by ChanServ |
| 07:30.40 | MentalPower | he lives! |
| 07:30.41 | Xinhuan | when horde would win every AV |
| 07:31.03 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Shirik!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by Dolby (Dolby) |
| 07:31.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 07:31.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 07:31.06 | Shirik | Nice try |
| 07:31.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:31.30 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: our server did that, for the AQ event, but it was Horde that was fishing, and Alliance winning |
| 07:31.37 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 07:32.08 | batrick | auto join is evil |
| 07:32.20 | Shirik | it is my protection from Dolby and Zootfizzle |
| 07:32.24 | Xinhuan | is your server/battlegroup mainly horde or alliance winning AVs nowadays? |
| 07:32.32 | Shirik | Cairenn would never do such a thing though, I dont have to worry about her |
| 07:33.01 | batrick | waits for cairenn to kick shirik |
| 07:33.02 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.02 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.05 | batrick | lolz |
| 07:33.10 | Xinhuan | mine has alliance winning most of them since 2.4, but horde winning most of them in 2.3 |
| 07:33.17 | Xinhuan | its pretty odd, since nothing much has changed |
| 07:33.22 | Shirik | :< |
| 07:33.26 | Shirik | I was actually waiting with the /cs unban #wowuidev |
| 07:33.37 | Cairenn | Shirik: 2 |
| 07:33.38 | Dolby | lol |
| 07:33.45 | Dolby | I'm not that mean |
| 07:34.02 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: dunno, i don't do AV anymore |
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| 07:34.22 | Kirov | Yeah, I hate AV. These days I play with my speakers turned off. |
| 07:34.26 | MentalPower|ZzZz | gnight all |
| 07:34.33 | Zootfizzle | Xinhuan: Maybe 2.3 and 2.4 incentized different groups of Alliance and Horde to play WoW more |
| 07:34.34 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZzZz, sweet dreams |
| 07:34.35 | Zootfizzle | G'night MP ;) |
| 07:34.42 | Zootfizzle | Incentivized, rather. |
| 07:34.43 | Dolby | shirik is with holding important infos :( |
| 07:34.54 | Shirik | night :) |
| 07:34.58 | Xinhuan | well 2.3 came with season 3... |
| 07:35.37 | Xinhuan | 2.4 came without any season |
| 07:35.37 | Guillotin1 | well, that'll teach me to try unstable Sourceforge releases with experimental settings |
| 07:35.37 | MentalPower|ZzZz | theres also no fishing in AV anymore |
| 07:35.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 07:35.38 | Guillotine | night MP :) |
| 07:35.49 | Xinhuan | also on another interesting note, living ruby prices hit 90g on my server yesterday when the badge vendor spawned |
| 07:35.50 | MentalPower|ZzZz | night Guillotine, thanks for the link to the youtube vid, make sure Cairenn sees it :) |
| 07:35.54 | Xinhuan | and noble topazes about 80g |
| 07:35.58 | Cairenn | ! |
| 07:36.14 | Xinhuan | "usual prices" were around 60 and 40g |
| 07:36.26 | MentalPower|ZzZz | owww! |
| 07:36.54 | MentalPower|ZzZz | search for Highroller on youtube |
| 07:37.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:37.08 | Xinhuan | and then Blood garnets sell at 7-8g each, incredible? hehe |
| 07:37.13 | Guillotine | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0BjqtA_BxQ |
| 07:37.19 | Guillotine | somebody actually made a youtube video of the addon |
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| 07:37.38 | Cairenn | that's hilarious |
| 07:38.06 | Xinhuan | haha Guillotine, look at the "related videos" links |
| 07:38.08 | Xinhuan | funny |
| 07:38.47 | Guillotine | all the 'hax' videos? |
| 07:38.52 | Xinhuan | yep lol |
| 07:39.49 | Guillotine | alright, maybe I don't learn too well. Brb, going to try a experimental sourceforge build |
| 07:39.57 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:40.11 | Shirik | Guillotine: Why dont you just go release all hard masks and emerge :P |
| 07:40.24 | Shirik | its ok, surely nothing bad can happen |
| 07:41.19 | MentalPower|ZzZz | Cairenn: with your permission... |
| 07:41.25 | MentalPower|ZzZz | :P |
| 07:41.28 | Guillotine | woohoo! it works this time |
| 07:41.44 | Guillotine | Pfft, and they said the definition of insanity was trying the same thing and expecting different results |
| 07:42.00 | Zootfizzle | Did you try the same experimental sourceforge build? =P |
| 07:42.12 | Shirik | Guillotine: No thats just a scientist |
| 07:42.20 | Shirik | though the two are not radically distinct |
| 07:42.21 | Guillotine | Zootfizzle: yes |
| 07:42.38 | Zootfizzle | Insane! |
| 07:42.48 | Xinhuan | i think you got rickrolled :) |
| 07:42.52 | Guillotine | And its working perfectly this time! |
| 07:44.43 | Guillotine | hmm, still a bit buggy, but changing this setting certainly helped |
| 07:45.16 | Guillotine | So has anybody here tried using Google Ads on a WoW-related site? If so, how hard is it to eliminate all the gold-selling ads and such? |
| 07:45.32 | Xinhuan | what do you mean? |
| 07:45.41 | Cairenn | Guillotine: f'ing impossible |
| 07:45.52 | Cairenn | every time you turn around there are more |
| 07:45.56 | Guillotine | boo |
| 07:46.04 | Xinhuan | you mean you want google to pay you for hosting their google ads on your site? |
| 07:46.09 | Cairenn | that's why the major sites just don't use google ads any more |
| 07:46.24 | Xinhuan | but somehow exclude gold selling sites in the ads? |
| 07:46.33 | Cairenn | they pay well, but the hassles are more work than it's worth |
| 07:46.36 | Guillotine | Xinhuan: there IS a blacklist you can create |
| 07:46.44 | Guillotine | but yes |
| 07:46.52 | Zootfizzle | Cairenn, you want to remind me about that happening sometime when it's not 12:45 AM? |
| 07:46.56 | Xinhuan | i don't think its even doable tbh |
| 07:47.02 | Xinhuan | 3/4 of the ads are gold selling ads |
| 07:47.24 | Cairenn | Zootfizzle: sure .... what are we talking about? |
| 07:47.31 | Kirov | I have to wonder how much time they spend on the adds for Penny-Arcade |
| 07:47.38 | Kirov | Those are google adds |
| 07:47.48 | Xinhuan | point being that, unless you are a gold selling website, why would you put up a google ad about wow? |
| 07:47.51 | Kirov | It seems like at this point they're on a white list only |
| 07:47.54 | Zootfizzle | WoW related Google Ads being ads for gold selling websites. |
| 07:48.06 | Zootfizzle | Xinhuan: Ads that target gamers more widely |
| 07:48.08 | Cairenn | sure, can do |
| 07:48.18 | Xinhuan | possibly, but i think those are in the minority |
| 07:49.23 | Guillotine | I know of a couple sites that somehow do it |
| 07:49.36 | Guillotine | My guess is they spend a while each day with it though |
| 07:49.41 | Cairenn | the problem is |
| 07:49.44 | Xinhuan | is it legitimate to put up ads advertising wow, that isn't from Blizzard itself? |
| 07:50.41 | Guillotine | sure |
| 07:50.44 | Guillotine | e.g. amazon |
| 07:51.03 | Fisker- | well you're not advertising wow |
| 07:51.04 | Xinhuan | yeah, but do you need explicit permission from blizzard to do it? |
| 07:51.07 | Fisker- | you're advertising a service |
| 07:51.09 | Cairenn | you find a site that has paid google for advertising space for their gold ads, you report them to google, google removes them, they just buy a new domain name |
| 07:51.16 | Cairenn | and the cycle continues |
| 07:51.40 | Fisker- | nah it stops when we've reached the limit of domains |
| 07:51.41 | Fisker- | :D |
| 07:51.49 | Cairenn | they can buy up domains and get their ads out there faster than anyone can track them |
| 07:51.59 | Shirik | I have just received confirmation from Dolby that at the next Blizzcon (assuming there is one), Cairenn will be handing out poster-sized, signed pictures of herself! |
| 07:52.08 | Shirik | Start saving your money for those tickets |
| 07:52.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Zootfizzle |
| 07:52.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-ob Zootfizzle *!*@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik |
| 07:52.15 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Zootfizzle!i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (Don't even think about it!) |
| 07:52.23 | Shirik | owned! |
| 07:52.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 07:52.33 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 07:52.39 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 07:52.41 | Zootfizzle | Shirik, I hate you and your IRC client on steroids. |
| 07:52.47 | Shirik | I love my scripts |
| 07:52.54 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (Zootfizzle) |
| 07:52.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 07:52.54 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 07:52.56 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (Zootfizzle) |
| 07:52.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 07:52.56 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 07:52.56 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (Zootfizzle) |
| 07:52.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 07:52.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 07:53.01 | Shirik | grrr |
| 07:53.13 | Dezzimal | asshattery abound |
| 07:53.17 | Zootfizzle | Anyways. |
| 07:53.17 | Shirik | I gotta admit Zootfizzle |
| 07:53.22 | Shirik | Ive never actually seen that script in action |
| 07:53.26 | Shirik | Thanks for giving me the chance to test it |
| 07:53.56 | Dezzimal | you need to deop him |
| 07:54.01 | Dezzimal | before kickbanning him |
| 07:54.11 | Shirik | aye I need to adjust the script to handle deops |
| 07:54.26 | Dezzimal | theres really no way to do so |
| 07:54.30 | Zootfizzle | Yeah there is |
| 07:54.32 | Shirik | sure there is |
| 07:54.42 | Shirik | on deop, reop, deop offender, kick |
| 07:54.44 | Dezzimal | is there some sort of service on this network? |
| 07:54.50 | Shirik | and yes |
| 07:54.53 | Shirik | I could have Chanserv do it for me too |
| 07:55.46 | Shirik | ~hug Zootfizzle |
| 07:55.46 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Zootfizzle and suddenly hugs Zootfizzle tightly |
| 07:56.25 | Shirik | Im actually kinda afraid to go to blizzcon now |
| 07:56.34 | Shirik | Between Zootfizzle, Cairenn, Dolby, I think Im going to be killed >< |
| 07:56.56 | Cairenn | oh, there very much is a way to kickban him, I own the channel, I just remove his auto-op |
| 07:57.16 | Fisker- | you forgot "in fear" |
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| 07:57.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 07:57.31 | Shirik | <3 |
| 07:57.50 | Arrowmaster | for anybody watching the WowAce commits but not in #wowace, TRANSLATORS SUCK |
| 07:58.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:58.11 | Shirik | I like their commit messages |
| 07:58.19 | Shirik | Its as bad as andrew from my software team |
| 07:58.22 | Shirik | Updated code. |
| 07:58.32 | MoonWolf | "changed something" |
| 07:58.46 | Dolby | "fell asleep" |
| 07:58.48 | Shirik | ... thanks >.> I thought your commit was just to change the version number to make it look like we were doing work |
| 07:58.59 | Arrowmaster | or the mass spam of 3 lines from CIA with one being the addon name and the other being '- toc to 2.4' |
| 08:00.31 | Fisker- | hmm odd |
| 08:00.52 | Fisker- | You get a lot of stuff in the new fishing daily that'll help you go from +100 fishing items required to +75 |
| 08:01.03 | Fisker- | but you pretty much get unlimited +100 fishing stuff from that quest anyways |
| 08:02.54 | Xinhuan | i just throw the excess over 20 in the guild bank |
| 08:03.10 | AnduinLothar | not even work ahing |
| 08:04.08 | batrick | shirik |
| 08:05.14 | Shirik | batrick |
| 08:05.29 | Zootfizzle | Fastrak |
| 08:05.50 | Zootfizzle | Paddywhack? |
| 08:06.10 | Kirov | give shirik a bone? |
| 08:06.11 | Zootfizzle | Throw me a bone? =( |
| 08:06.15 | Shirik | my bone! |
| 08:06.33 | Shirik | hey Zootfizzle, fix my segfault! |
| 08:06.59 | Shirik | batrick: The only thing holding me back atm is that I doubly implemented something >.> |
| 08:07.06 | Shirik | once thats resolved I think it will be GTG |
| 08:08.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Guillotin1 (n=Guilloti@cpe-76-167-203-65.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 08:09.09 | Shirik | batrick >< |
| 08:09.12 | Guillotin1 | Sourceforge should provide some kind of shock therapy service |
| 08:09.19 | Shirik | why you ping me for no reason |
| 08:09.26 | wereHamster | see, I use creative commit messages, like: pie > cake. Discuss! |
| 08:10.31 | Guillotine | anyway, brb while I try the same build yet again with another small change in settings |
| 08:10.45 | Shirik | wereHamster: I personally like my commit messages |
| 08:10.47 | Shirik | let me find one |
| 08:13.05 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 08:13.06 | Shirik | Revision: 106, Author: mpdelbuono, Date: 6:53:50 PM, Wednesday, April 02, 2008 |
| 08:13.07 | Shirik | - Corrected samples in arduino base code |
| 08:13.07 | Shirik | - Fixed tons of Andrew stupidity in CBlockDetect |
| 08:13.07 | Shirik | - "Locking" commands are now done in an abstract class CLockableBoarduinoCommand. Yes more pure virtuals. Get over it or I will eat your children. |
| 08:13.21 | Guillotine | haha |
| 08:15.11 | Shirik | one of the gems fixed in that revision: #define ABS(x) (x<0?x:-x) --> #define ABS(x) (((x)<0)?-(x):(x)) |
| 08:15.26 | Shirik | Not only was it backwards, it didnt work because x is not singular and needs to be wrapped in parentheses |
| 08:15.33 | Shirik | Andrew has a tendency to not pay attention to details like that |
| 08:16.04 | Shirik | Somehow this got in too: #ifdef _MSC_VER --> #ifdef _MSC_VER // #if defined evil |
| 08:17.49 | Fisker- | i like where this bank is going |
| 08:18.23 | Fisker- | http://i28.tinypic.com/2wcmexh.jpg |
| 08:18.55 | Shirik | anyway, night all |
| 08:19.03 | Fisker- | goodnight |
| 08:19.05 | Shirik|zZz | Cairenns going to sleep too |
| 08:19.11 | Cairenn | hahahhaha |
| 08:19.12 | Fisker- | with you? |
| 08:19.34 | Guillotine | Cairenn does not sleep |
| 08:19.43 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: too many nets |
| 08:20.05 | Fisker- | should probably bank them just to piss off my guildies |
| 08:23.23 | batrick | shirik |
| 08:23.36 | Shirik|zZz | batrick |
| 08:24.03 | Fisker- | i did it Arrowmaster |
| 08:24.04 | Fisker- | i win! |
| 08:24.13 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 08:25.13 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 08:25.21 | Fisker- | put all the nets in the guildbank |
| 08:25.26 | Shirik|zZz | batrick stop saying my name and nothing else >< |
| 08:26.05 | Fisker- | Shirik|zZz |
| 08:26.14 | Fisker- | ><? |
| 08:28.24 | Shirik|zZz | no >< |
| 08:28.31 | Shirik|zZz | batricks all like shirik over and over |
| 08:28.34 | Shirik|zZz | like he needs to say something |
| 08:28.36 | Shirik|zZz | but then he dies |
| 08:28.57 | nevcairiel | thats his automated script when he is away |
| 08:29.00 | nevcairiel | just to annoy you |
| 08:29.03 | Arrowmaster | im seeing boxes, wtf characters are you typing |
| 08:29.13 | Shirik|zZz | oh |
| 08:29.16 | Shirik|zZz | that would be my godly quotes |
| 08:29.25 | Arrowmaster | why are they boxes now |
| 08:29.25 | nevcairiel | shirik uses some crazy utf8 version of " " because his vista thinks its cool |
| 08:29.33 | Shirik|zZz | its not vista >.> |
| 08:29.40 | nevcairiel | whats it then? <.< |
| 08:29.43 | Shirik|zZz | my client randomly decided to start doing that and I dont know why or how to turn it off |
| 08:29.44 | Arrowmaster | its his gay ass nbs-irc i bet |
| 08:29.47 | Shirik|zZz | nothing else does it |
| 08:29.56 | Shirik|zZz | hey, my gay ass nbs-irc protected me from Zootfizzle tonight! |
| 08:30.04 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 08:30.21 | Shirik|zZz | (03:52:02) - Zootfizzle (+b) *!*@conspiracy/developer/Shirik (unban: F6) |
| 08:30.21 | Shirik|zZz | (03:52:02) - Shirik (-ob) Zootfizzle *!*@conspiracy/developer/Shirik |
| 08:30.21 | Shirik|zZz | (03:52:02) - Zootfizzle was kicked by Shirik (Don't even think about it!) |
| 08:30.41 | Shirik|zZz | ban protection :P |
| 08:30.57 | nevcairiel | just because ChanServ isnt configured properly, someone should set it to autokick on ban :p |
| 08:31.14 | nevcairiel | no script can beat chanserv in reaction speed! |
| 08:31.23 | batrick | shirik |
| 08:31.27 | Shirik|zZz | batrick |
| 08:31.31 | batrick | hi |
| 08:31.34 | Shirik|zZz | hi |
| 08:31.36 | Shirik|zZz | he speaks! |
| 08:31.52 | Zootfizzle | Shirik, for the love of god, go to bed already. |
| 08:31.58 | Zootfizzle | We thought we were spared when you changed your nick. |
| 08:32.00 | Zootfizzle | >_> |
| 08:32.02 | Zootfizzle | <_< |
| 08:32.07 | batrick | shirik |
| 08:32.10 | Shirik|zZz | batrick |
| 08:32.14 | batrick | hi |
| 08:32.18 | Shirik|zZz | Zootfizzle, Im an engineer. Im not allowed to sleep |
| 08:32.18 | Shirik|zZz | hi |
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| 08:33.50 | batrick | shirik |
| 08:34.06 | batrick | I know how to keep you awake another 2 hours |
| 08:34.08 | batrick | wanna know:? |
| 08:34.44 | Shirik|zZz | You dont really have to do anything |
| 08:34.47 | Shirik|zZz | itll happen anyway |
| 08:34.59 | Shirik|zZz | but code lyokos on in an hour and a half |
| 08:35.04 | Shirik|zZz | so Ill have to be up for that |
| 08:36.32 | Shirik|zZz | how batrick? |
| 08:37.18 | batrick | e5 |
| 08:37.28 | Shirik|zZz | oh god no |
| 08:37.29 | Shirik|zZz | not now >< |
| 08:37.31 | Guillotine | haha |
| 08:37.34 | Shirik|zZz | maybe tomorrow |
| 08:37.35 | Guillotine | Speaking of which |
| 08:37.51 | Guillotine | I don't have my fully-featured Chess addon with fully implemented AI yet Shirik |
| 08:37.53 | Guillotine | you're slacking |
| 08:37.59 | Shirik|zZz | its already done |
| 08:38.08 | Shirik|zZz | its just so smart that it hid itself because it doesnt want me to give it away |
| 08:38.10 | Shirik|zZz | and I cant find it |
| 08:38.13 | batrick | Guillotine: |
| 08:38.17 | batrick | !g wowchess addon |
| 08:38.18 | batbot | batrick: wowChess | World of Warcraft Addons | Curse <http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3550/> |
| 08:38.27 | Guillotine | no AI |
| 08:38.27 | batrick | do i get a cookee/ |
| 08:38.35 | Shirik|zZz | !g matthew p. del buono email |
| 08:38.35 | batrick | u can't have everything |
| 08:38.35 | batbot | Shirik|zZz: Del Buono Shri Bupathy : ZoomInfo Business People Information <http://www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page5301.aspx> |
| 08:38.40 | Shirik|zZz | wtf is that? |
| 08:39.10 | Guillotine | hmm |
| 08:39.18 | Guillotine | I just had an awesome idea |
| 08:39.32 | Guillotine | I need to make a couple chess piece models and convert them to m2 |
| 08:39.38 | Guillotine | then we can have a 3d chess game |
| 08:39.49 | Shirik|zZz | ANYWAY |
| 08:39.52 | Shirik|zZz | for real nows, night |
| 08:40.02 | nevcairiel | you will be back |
| 08:40.10 | Shirik|zZz | Cairenn: If you havent figured it out by tomorrow, perhaps I will give you some assistance ;) |
| 08:40.15 | Shirik|zZz | But uh.. let me just say this |
| 08:40.22 | Shirik|zZz | I have planted a clue for you. Good luck ;)( |
| 08:40.29 | Cairenn | mrr? |
| 08:40.36 | Cairenn | okay |
| 08:41.24 | Shirik|zZz | and no, its not that google page above |
| 08:41.27 | Shirik|zZz | I have no idea wtf that is |
| 08:41.40 | Shirik|zZz | its not even in irc :) |
| 08:41.41 | batrick | u fuckin liar |
| 08:41.42 | batrick | go to bed |
| 08:41.52 | Shirik|zZz | kk bai!! |
| 08:41.56 | batrick | BAI |
| 08:41.57 | Kirov | Guillotine - why not just use the "peices" from Kara? |
| 08:42.08 | Guillotine | Eh, suppose thats possible |
| 08:42.08 | Shirik|zZz | ~~~~~woosh *flying out the door* |
| 08:42.17 | batrick | ~kick shirik |
| 08:42.18 | purl | ACTION kicks shirik |
| 08:42.29 | Guillotine | Shirik, kick yourself |
| 08:42.40 | Shirik|zZz | I cant, Im not here |
| 08:42.54 | batrick | oi Cairenn can i have ops so i can kick shirik pls =) |
| 08:43.03 | Kirov | Not Shirik, don't not kick not yourself! |
| 08:43.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:43.14 | Shirik|zZz | she cant do that |
| 08:43.20 | Shirik|zZz | she is 100% as guilty as I am, if not moreso |
| 08:43.25 | batrick | sif |
| 08:43.27 | Guillotine | Hes right |
| 08:43.33 | batrick | she doesn't have zzz in her nick |
| 08:43.38 | batrick | man |
| 08:43.43 | batrick | i've played halo for the last 6 hours |
| 08:43.43 | Guillotine | Cairenn==GlaDOS |
| 08:43.48 | Guillotine | shes up 24/7 |
| 08:43.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:48.20 | AbsoRayne | http://www.freewebs.com/absorayne/WoWScrnShot%5F041308%5F022204.png I <3 Druids... |
| 08:49.40 | AbsoRayne | Zootfizzle: Is it hard to overstate your satisfaction? |
| 08:49.58 | Zootfizzle | Tokidoki ni... |
| 08:50.55 | AbsoRayne | So how come with Fane, my Chat Tabs are 2 different sizes... |
| 08:51.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Drundia (n=drewndia@92.113.87.169) |
| 08:51.38 | AbsoRayne | Is that a bug because of Prat maybe? |
| 08:51.49 | cladhaire | you could disable prat and see |
| 08:51.58 | AbsoRayne | Good point |
| 08:52.27 | AbsoRayne | Negative |
| 08:52.44 | AbsoRayne | The Combat Log text tab is much larger than the general |
| 08:53.08 | Drundia | Combat Log changes its max lines |
| 08:53.15 | Zootfizzle | Utawarerumono definitely gets a lot better after the first nine exceedingly boring episodes :P |
| 08:53.22 | Drundia | Blizzard_CombatLog addon to be precise |
| 08:53.33 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: game is amazing |
| 08:53.37 | AbsoRayne | I rename it to Log and it stays the same. :/ |
| 08:54.01 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: Game?! Awesome, I'll check it out ;) |
| 08:54.10 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: ive only watched like 6 eps of the anime |
| 08:54.38 | nevcairiel | how do you pronounce Utawarerumono ? <.< |
| 08:54.55 | Zootfizzle | Oo-tah-wah-ray-roo-moh-noh |
| 08:55.00 | Fix[EJ] | ootah wah ra---damn |
| 08:55.01 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: english patch available from mirrormoon.org, you need the original pc game dvd (or an image of it) |
| 08:55.07 | Guillotine | Zootfizzle: I just got Still Alive onto my ipod last night :D |
| 08:55.11 | Guillotine | <3 JoCo |
| 08:55.24 | AbsoRayne | Looks like theres no way around it. oh well |
| 08:55.57 | Zootfizzle | Guillotine: We're having a Rock Band contest at work, I'm going to plead for it to be added to the list of songs we can sing since it's free |
| 08:56.20 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: Thankee! |
| 08:56.30 | Guillotine | <3 that song |
| 08:57.20 | AbsoRayne | And I need to figure out something with my ToT frame. It looks kinda dumb sitting where it is... |
| 08:57.21 | Guillotine | I wish it had been released when we had the rock band session in the curse offices a bit ago :( |
| 08:57.29 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: bewarned that the pc game is an ero game, and the h scenes are writen kinda poorly but the rest is full of win |
| 08:57.38 | reqol | there is no way to follow by name anymore, right? |
| 08:58.04 | Guillotine | brb, going to crash myself by trying this program again |
| 09:06.03 | AbsoRayne | Wow this is a nice pixel font, but I cant find a DL link for it... |
| 09:06.44 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: I don't even want to know how this could have been worked into an ero game. |
| 09:06.57 | AbsoRayne | http://www.iamcal.com/misc/fonts/previews/edgy.gif What do you guys think? |
| 09:07.38 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: it only has 1 storeline, but 5 scenes, dont ask you dont want to know |
| 09:07.56 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: just pretend they dont exist, just like the characters do |
| 09:10.19 | AbsoRayne | damnit I cant find it anywhere! |
| 09:12.43 | Corrodias | i never understood the japanese desire to create bad h-games |
| 09:12.55 | AbsoRayne | Corrodias: Sex sells, in any form |
| 09:13.21 | Corrodias | shallow, cliche story plus dick-shrivellingly badly written sex scenes... ugh |
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| 09:14.10 | Zootfizzle | All the perverted Japanese crap exists because they suck so much at actually having sex with people. |
| 09:14.28 | Zootfizzle | ... |
| 09:14.29 | Corrodias | it certainly does; i collect 3d h-games, and have something like 15 |
| 09:14.38 | Zootfizzle | And that, folks, is the difference between me and the pirate. ;) |
| 09:14.40 | Corrodias | a few of them are actually entertaining |
| 09:15.09 | Arrowmaster | the rest of that game is full of great jokes and other stuff though |
| 09:15.11 | Guillotin1 | Well, now that its crashed my system 4 times, I've decided my computer doesn't like this guitar-hero clone :( Too bad, it had quite a few JoCo songs |
| 09:15.25 | Arrowmaster | which i didnt notice in the eps ive seen of the anime so far |
| 09:15.29 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 09:16.15 | Guillotine | o.O I just go to open my window because its hella hot tonight and there are 3 police cars, a swat truck, and a helicopter spotlight trained on the building across the street from me |
| 09:16.24 | Guillotine | I think I'll move away from the window |
| 09:16.32 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 09:16.49 | Snago | lol |
| 09:16.57 | Corrodias | good idea |
| 09:17.02 | Guillotine | oh, another police car just pulled up |
| 09:17.09 | Corrodias | but while you're out there, tell them i'm not home, will you? |
| 09:17.09 | Guillotine | In fact, I think I'll move into a back room without any windows |
| 09:18.07 | Zootfizzle | Guillotine: WTF? In IRVINE? |
| 09:18.25 | Zootfizzle | That's rarer than a 8.0+ earthquake |
| 09:18.56 | Zootfizzle | Oh, wait |
| 09:18.59 | Zootfizzle | He's in LA |
| 09:18.59 | Zootfizzle | NM |
| 09:19.12 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 09:19.24 | Zootfizzle | lua> "april" == "summer" |
| 09:19.25 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: false |
| 09:19.34 | Zootfizzle | ;( |
| 09:20.05 | cladhaire | lua> "summer" > "april" |
| 09:20.05 | lua_bot | cladhaire: true |
| 09:20.13 | cladhaire | :( |
| 09:20.26 | cladhaire | anyone else underwhelmed by the new Macheist bundle? |
| 09:20.41 | Zootfizzle | Yes, but only because I don't know what it is and don't care about it. |
| 09:21.25 | Zootfizzle | <3 |
| 09:21.33 | cladhaire | heh |
| 09:22.48 | Zootfizzle | Heh, the best 3rd party mac apps are shareware... |
| 09:22.57 | Zootfizzle | How Appleish ;) |
| 09:23.22 | cladhaire | yeah the macheist 2 bundle was really good |
| 09:23.27 | cladhaire | can't say I'm excited about this one tho =/ |
| 09:23.40 | cladhaire | considering at least 2 of the apps are the same as they were in bundle 2 |
| 09:23.48 | cladhaire | WOW ISNT SHAREWARE AND ITS THE BEST 3RD PART MAC APP |
| 09:23.54 | cladhaire | blasphemer! |
| 09:24.18 | Zootfizzle | Uh |
| 09:24.30 | Zootfizzle | You're labeling ME a blasphemer?! |
| 09:24.36 | Zootfizzle | You consider WoW to be a mere APP?!@ |
| 09:25.17 | Zootfizzle | WoW is a BLESSING FROM THE HEAVENS |
| 09:25.37 | Zootfizzle | It's the manna that lets Apple delude themselves into thinking you can play games on MacOS |
| 09:26.04 | Drundia | lies, it's more of a curse like any online game. it makes people waste their time. |
| 09:26.26 | Zootfizzle | Online games replace television in individuals with non-addictive personality types. |
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| 09:26.47 | Zootfizzle | They're just a different way to waste time. |
| 09:27.26 | Drundia | television can be considered a curse for the same reason |
| 09:27.40 | bleetah | anyone heard of/got a daily quest tracker addon yet? (and as a side question, does anyone know what gives with regards to daily rollover?) |
| 09:28.01 | Drundia | for individuals with addictive personality types |
| 09:28.12 | Arrowmaster | bleetah: you mean how its an hour off? |
| 09:28.26 | Zootfizzle | Sorry, I stand corrected. |
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| 09:28.33 | bleetah | Arrowmaster: on some, yes, it's off, not on others |
| 09:28.45 | Zootfizzle | Before the existence of technology and electronic entertainment, humanity was extremely productive. |
| 09:28.59 | bleetah | Arrowmaster: eg, the IQD dailies reset when the system announcement happened, but the cooking had reset sometime earlier |
| 09:29.05 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 09:29.12 | Arrowmaster | really? |
| 09:29.12 | bleetah | (and maybe more than just cooking) |
| 09:29.12 | Guillotine | My computer is not happy today :( |
| 09:29.16 | Zootfizzle | Truly, they are curses. |
| 09:29.17 | bleetah | yes |
| 09:29.18 | Arrowmaster | thats interesting |
| 09:29.20 | Drundia | yes! they've managed to invent electronic entertainment! |
| 09:30.12 | bleetah | Arrowmaster: It's something that Oceanics have noticed for a little while, because the quest UI can't tell you which dailies you've done |
| 09:30.27 | Zootfizzle | I quit |
| 09:30.27 | bleetah | therefore, you can't even 'work around' the bug/feature in the rollover without pen and paper |
| 09:30.29 | Zootfizzle | I'm done |
| 09:30.35 | Zootfizzle | 'cause I don't think it's gonna turn out okay ;) |
| 09:30.38 | Guillotine | its no fair |
| 09:30.38 | Zootfizzle | It's no fair |
| 09:30.40 | bleetah | hence, I'm looking for a daily quest tracker mod haha |
| 09:30.41 | Zootfizzle | It's no fun |
| 09:30.48 | Guillotine | every time its gunna end hte same way |
| 09:30.49 | Guillotine | me 0 |
| 09:30.51 | Guillotine | big bad world 1 |
| 09:30.54 | bleetah | Zootfizzle: do what we always do in such situations |
| 09:30.58 | bleetah | Zootfizzle: blame Cide |
| 09:30.58 | Zootfizzle | G'night folks ;) |
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| 09:31.03 | Guillotine | night Zoot :) |
| 09:31.03 | bleetah | gnight zoot |
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| 09:31.41 | Guillotine | If I was smart I'd be taking my leave now as well |
| 09:31.50 | bleetah | but u r ! |
| 09:33.51 | Cairenn | night Guillotine |
| 09:33.52 | Guillotine | I don't know |
| 09:34.01 | Guillotine | I crashed my computer with the same program 4 times tonight |
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| 09:34.09 | Guillotine | Judging by that, I'll probably be on another hour |
| 09:35.22 | bleetah | :( |
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| 10:03.36 | wereHamster | ~seen cogwheel |
| 10:03.37 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@c-67-180-52-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 2h 40m 25s ago, saying: 'Frisker-!'. |
| 10:04.37 | Guillotine | Alright, now I'm really heading to bed |
| 10:04.38 | Guillotine | night all! |
| 10:04.44 | nevcairiel | night |
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| 10:06.45 | Crasho | Hi |
| 10:06.58 | Crasho | anyone there? |
| 10:09.20 | nevcairiel | patience, its for the weak |
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| 10:20.23 | Cairenn | this is irc! all messages must be responded to before even being uttered! duh! |
| 10:21.06 | wereHamster | yes (responding to any future 'is anyone here' question) |
| 10:21.21 | zenzelezz | obviously we're all just sitting here waiting for someone to help out, especially the ones that will never give credit or acknowledge receiving help |
| 10:21.22 | mikma | AbsoRayne: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_030908_003209.jpg :D |
| 10:26.55 | bleetah | poor aredek |
| 10:27.11 | bleetah | having to face the wrath of two weeks of pissed off Oceanic customers on his birthday |
| 10:27.43 | bleetah | don't think there's been a night since 2.4 came out that at least half the Oceanics haven't crashed out 2 or 3 times |
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| 10:30.17 | bleetah | can't even keep a connection to a non-Oceanic realm atm for more than 2 mins, it seems |
| 10:31.21 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/chuk_norris_saves_sparta.jpg |
| 10:31.45 | Cairenn | mikma: lol |
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| 10:54.00 | reqol | does anyone know of a way to collapse comments in notepad++? |
| 10:56.34 | nevcairiel | just click the collapse button? |
| 10:56.48 | nevcairiel | assuming notepad++ knows the file format you are currently editing |
| 10:58.49 | reqol | hmm, that just collapses my functions |
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| 11:27.46 | RockSlice | reqol: notepad++ will collapse multi-line comments. make sure the language is set properly |
| 11:29.03 | zenzelezz | as you say, it depends on the language. I don't think the PHP one will collapse comments |
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| 11:36.45 | RockSlice | yeah. it doesn't seem to treat PHP any differently than plaintext |
| 11:40.57 | [Liquidor] | Morning everyone. |
| 11:41.01 | MaienM | anyone knows where to find the dongle lib? |
| 11:41.13 | MaienM | morging |
| 11:41.21 | MaienM | *morning |
| 11:41.29 | [Liquidor] | Maldivia, wowace.com |
| 11:41.47 | [Liquidor] | wowace.com/files even |
| 11:42.57 | [Liquidor] | MaienM* |
| 11:43.02 | MaienM | thnx |
| 11:44.27 | Cairenn | morning [Liquidor] |
| 11:44.50 | [Liquidor] | What time is it at your timezone Cairenn? |
| 11:44.56 | Cairenn | 7:30am |
| 11:45.04 | Cairenn | well, 7:42, to be exact |
| 11:45.17 | MaienM | omg its 13:45 here:P |
| 11:45.31 | [Liquidor] | Same |
| 11:45.42 | Polarina | 11:45... |
| 11:45.50 | Cairenn | heh, and I haven't slept yet ... speaking of which |
| 11:45.52 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 11:45.53 | [Liquidor] | But my usual wake up time on Sundays are ~1pm |
| 11:46.02 | Polarina | Cairenn|afk: Sleep tight. |
| 11:46.09 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 11:47.35 | MaienM | [Luiquidor]: Can't find dongle at wowace.com/files, you're sure it's there? |
| 11:47.58 | nevcairiel | why would you want to find dongle anyway? |
| 11:48.08 | Cairenn|afk | donge? not at ace |
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| 11:48.14 | Cairenn|afk | dongLe* |
| 11:48.40 | [Liquidor] | I just sent him to wowace since it was a lib. Assumed it was ace |
| 11:48.53 | Cairenn|afk | it's not |
| 11:49.21 | bleetah | hehe, apparently jubei'thos lagged out and crashed again, from reading CSF posts it's about the 5th time in less than four hours |
| 11:49.22 | MaienM | can;t find it anywhere |
| 11:49.27 | [Liquidor] | Cairenn|afk, go to sleep |
| 11:49.32 | Legorol | Cairenn|afk: i suggest that you remove the part in the topic that says "You don't have to change your login script" |
| 11:49.50 | Cairenn|afk | http://code.google.com/p/dongle/ |
| 11:49.51 | Legorol | I realise that there is a forward in place, but eventually it will be phased out presumably |
| 11:50.02 | Legorol | So better to get people to change their scripts now |
| 11:50.32 | Cairenn|afk | MaienM: ^^ |
| 11:50.36 | Legorol | Don't encourage people to be lazy and not update :) see Addons |
| 11:50.42 | Cairenn|afk | and on that note, I'm out |
| 11:50.46 | Legorol | gnight |
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| 11:52.24 | MaienM | thnx;) |
| 11:53.04 | bleetah | gnight Cairenn|afk, rest well :) |
| 11:56.40 | Legorol | When a combat log message says X heals Y for 1000 damage, does that 1000 include overhealing as well? So for example if the person was only actually 10 Hp away from their max, would it show up as 10 or 1000 in the log? |
| 11:56.55 | nevcairiel | Legorol: 1000 |
| 11:57.01 | nevcairiel | it doesnt account for overheal |
| 11:57.05 | nevcairiel | it just displays the raw heal |
| 11:57.06 | Legorol | can an addon somehow tell if any of that was "wasted" |
| 11:57.29 | nevcairiel | sure, by checking the HP of the target before and after |
| 11:57.44 | Legorol | and on a similar note, how do combat log parsers calculate overheal % (for example wowwebstats) |
| 11:57.55 | nevcairiel | they keep track of the players HP |
| 11:57.56 | Legorol | an after-the-fact log parsing doesn't know current Hps |
| 11:57.59 | nevcairiel | and inc dmg inc heal |
| 11:58.24 | Legorol | well wowwebstats parses WoWCombatLog.txt after you log out |
| 11:58.28 | Legorol | so it can't know current HP |
| 11:58.31 | nevcairiel | if you assume the player is 100% topped off at fight start |
| 11:58.33 | Legorol | yet it displays overheal % |
| 11:58.38 | nevcairiel | so you count all incoming dmg |
| 11:58.44 | nevcairiel | and incoming heal |
| 11:58.46 | Legorol | it has no way of knowing the player's max Hp either though |
| 11:58.46 | nevcairiel | if heal > dmg |
| 11:58.49 | nevcairiel | you have over heal |
| 11:58.55 | nevcairiel | thats why you assume that :D |
| 11:58.57 | Legorol | even if you assume 100% topped up |
| 11:59.07 | Legorol | i'm not talking about current HP, i'm talking about max Hp |
| 11:59.07 | nevcairiel | you dont need to know the max hp |
| 11:59.20 | nevcairiel | if you assume he is 100% at fight begin |
| 11:59.24 | nevcairiel | and you see him getting a 5k hit |
| 11:59.27 | nevcairiel | then a 6k heal |
| 11:59.31 | nevcairiel | you know 1k was overheal |
| 11:59.33 | Legorol | hmm |
| 11:59.50 | Legorol | that will go out of sync though |
| 11:59.57 | Legorol | due to heals not attributed to the player itself |
| 12:00.05 | Legorol | for example, final tick of Lifebloom or prayer of healing |
| 12:00.12 | Legorol | bleh ok bad example |
| 12:00.16 | Legorol | those do show up in the log |
| 12:00.29 | Legorol | let's see if i can come up with an example that'd break that method :) |
| 12:00.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:00.36 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can |
| 12:00.41 | nevcairiel | heals always show in the log |
| 12:00.44 | nevcairiel | so does dmg |
| 12:00.56 | nevcairiel | maybe not attributed to the right source (LB and PoM) |
| 12:01.00 | nevcairiel | but always the right target |
| 12:01.02 | Legorol | what about other sources of Hp loss, like lifetap |
| 12:01.11 | nevcairiel | i bet they show up correctly |
| 12:01.31 | Legorol | health pots? |
| 12:01.45 | nevcairiel | those definately |
| 12:02.05 | Legorol | Last Stand? |
| 12:02.28 | nevcairiel | probably not the HP gain, but you get the buff gain and can calc that |
| 12:02.29 | nevcairiel | i assume |
| 12:03.11 | nevcairiel | ok lifetap only shows the mana gain, but you can calculate the HP loss with the amount of mana gained |
| 12:03.21 | Legorol | i just tried, for Last Stand: "Legorol gains Last Stand" |
| 12:03.23 | Legorol | that's all |
| 12:03.35 | Legorol | and since that affects your max Hp, it affects whether something is an overheal or not |
| 12:03.42 | Legorol | it allows heal > damage and still not be overheal |
| 12:03.49 | Legorol | there you go, found an example that breaks it |
| 12:03.58 | foxlit | erm |
| 12:03.58 | nevcairiel | you can still calculate that in |
| 12:04.13 | foxlit | Last Stand increases both your max and current hp, though |
| 12:04.20 | nevcairiel | that too |
| 12:04.21 | Legorol | damn, that's true |
| 12:04.24 | foxlit | So if you were going to overheal without it, you'll still overheal with it |
| 12:04.27 | Legorol | ok, Commanding Shout then |
| 12:04.31 | Legorol | that one is totally % based |
| 12:04.40 | nevcairiel | commanding shout gives you a flat +health |
| 12:04.43 | Legorol | nope |
| 12:04.43 | nevcairiel | no % shit |
| 12:04.52 | Legorol | it gives % based on current Hp |
| 12:04.59 | Legorol | they changed it in a patch a while ago, because you could abuse it: |
| 12:05.01 | nevcairiel | Commanding Shout |
| 12:05.01 | nevcairiel | Maximum health increased by 1080. |
| 12:05.04 | Legorol | drop to 10 Hp, press commanding shout |
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| 12:05.32 | Legorol | yup, it increases max health by 1080, but current health by an amount based on your current health |
| 12:06.05 | Legorol | if you are on 1 Hp, your current health goes up by very little |
| 12:06.06 | nevcairiel | it'll keep you on the same percentage |
| 12:06.20 | Legorol | that's correct, that % however translates to an unknown amount of healing |
| 12:06.48 | Legorol | commanding shout increases your current health (and changes the absolute difference between your max and current) by an amount that's not shown in the log |
| 12:07.15 | Legorol | Practical example: I have 10k max Hp. I am on full health. I press CS, I'm still on full health. Any healing would be overheal. |
| 12:07.56 | Legorol | Scenario 2: I still have 10k max, i am on half health. 5k healing is not overhealing. I press CS, my max and current goes up by unknown amounts (1080 and i think 540 respectively) |
| 12:08.13 | Legorol | 5k is not overhealing, 5.5k isn't either, but 5.7k is |
| 12:08.31 | Legorol | how can a log parser tell that |
| 12:08.54 | nevcairiel | it can guess |
| 12:09.21 | nevcairiel | overhealing is not a stat that _needs_ to be 100% accurate for statistical purposes |
| 12:09.32 | Legorol | that i agree with |
| 12:09.45 | Legorol | i just tried to demonstrate that there are cases where it can be off |
| 12:09.56 | Legorol | you asserted that it can always be accurate based on incoming damage and healing |
| 12:10.04 | Legorol | so i just tried to prove it false |
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| 12:21.16 | SpiderBK | hi |
| 12:23.32 | SpiderBK | if i want to print some table entrys to a window, what would be the best way to do that? and what UIObject would be the best joice? |
| 12:24.24 | wereHamster | a FontString |
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| 12:27.17 | SpiderBK | whats de difference between ScrollFrame and ScrollingMessageFrame ? |
| 12:29.25 | foxlit | a ScrollingMessageFrame scrolls messages, clearly :) |
| 12:29.43 | SpiderBK | like sct? |
| 12:29.54 | Fix[EJ] | hmm, I can't figure out what the place in the left box here: http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inspirationdn9.jpg |
| 12:30.08 | Fix[EJ] | in a party / raid it will be omen, in an arena it will be proximo...but what to do when I'm idling in Shatt! |
| 12:30.12 | foxlit | like the chat frame |
| 12:30.54 | SpiderBK | so if i want to display a list i better use ScrollFrame? or is there a better UIObject? |
| 12:31.17 | foxlit | depends on the kind of list |
| 12:32.02 | foxlit | ScrollFrame smoothly scrolls its contents, I think; you could use FauxScrollFrame (inheritance) to display a distinct list |
| 12:38.15 | SpiderBK | looks like a good solution, thx |
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| 13:31.41 | JoshBorke | anybody know where teh keybindings frame is created? |
| 13:32.42 | JoshBorke | got it, bindingui |
| 13:53.00 | AlexanderYoshi | Fix[EJ], use it to display who is online in your guild. |
| 13:53.34 | Fix[EJ] | I was thinking of doing something like a friends list, yeah -- but then I had a different idea for the layout entirely |
| 13:53.35 | Fix[EJ] | haha |
| 13:54.43 | Fix[EJ] | It's difficult to plan real estate for proximo, omen, and violation/swstats/recount |
| 13:55.16 | Fix[EJ] | Since none of them you really want showing all the time, two of them never at the same time...totally throws off symmetry! |
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| 13:56.03 | SpiderBK | how is it with this FauxScrollFrame, the list is created with buttons. now is it possible to add an OnClick functionality to those buttons? |
| 13:57.35 | cladhaire | ? |
| 13:57.38 | mkelly32 | i've noticed that the various druid mana bar addon thingies aren't updated for 2.4... is that because api changes make them difficult / impossible to impliment now? or just becasue all those authors have vanished? |
| 13:57.47 | mkelly32 | if it's possible, i'd like to take a stab at it myself |
| 13:57.54 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: would you be so kind as to approve my addon :-D |
| 13:58.03 | cladhaire | they were guesswork before mkelly32, slo they're still possible now. |
| 13:58.21 | mkelly32 | all you need is the mana regen rate, and the mana you had before shifting, right? |
| 13:59.04 | cladhaire | basically yeah |
| 14:00.10 | magdain | Which ones are broken? The standalone ones? |
| 14:00.34 | magdain | I haven't had any issues with oUF/PB druidmana |
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| 14:02.42 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: danke claddy waddy |
| 14:05.02 | mkelly32 | magdain: hadn' |
| 14:05.05 | mkelly32 | t seen that one |
| 14:05.18 | mkelly32 | i think at least smartycat wasn't updated |
| 14:05.22 | mkelly32 | and some other one i found |
| 14:08.15 | magdain | Ah, so yeah. The standalone ones. |
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| 14:08.44 | magdain | oUF and pb are full-fledged unit frame replacements that just offer support for druidmana, so I could see the use for one of the lighter versions updated. |
| 14:09.16 | magdain | Definitely still possible to do, though. Which I suppose was the point. :p |
| 14:16.36 | foxlit | UnitIsPet? |
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| 14:34.45 | JoshBorke | i thought up a request for blizzard! |
| 14:34.47 | JoshBorke | zomg! |
| 14:35.12 | Industrial | JoshBorke: ?? |
| 14:35.16 | JoshBorke | here it is: allow function references to be placed in XML instead of only lua code in script blocks |
| 14:35.43 | JoshBorke | not sure exactly how it'll work though |
| 14:35.55 | Industrial | XML wats tat |
| 14:36.03 | JoshBorke | but the idea is to eliminate the need to use this and other globals when using xml |
| 14:36.14 | MaienM | why use xml? |
| 14:36.23 | MaienM | you can do all of it in lua just fine |
| 14:36.25 | JoshBorke | because it's appropriate for what i'm doing |
| 14:36.26 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: i dont understand what you're saying? |
| 14:36.33 | zenzelezz | thought I heard something about them eliminating "this" for WotLK? |
| 14:36.34 | cladhaire | MaienM: because Lua isn't well suited for everything |
| 14:36.41 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: they've been trying to get all of them |
| 14:36.46 | cladhaire | they can't just search and replace |
| 14:36.50 | cladhaire | because of the QA cycle. |
| 14:36.52 | zenzelezz | I know |
| 14:37.04 | zenzelezz | but my point stands, I thought I heard concrete plans about what I said |
| 14:37.17 | cladhaire | and I am confirming them |
| 14:37.20 | cladhaire | that's the point. |
| 14:37.30 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: if i have <Script> <OnEvent>myLuaFunc()</OnEvent> </Script> I have to use this and other globals to get what frame called it |
| 14:37.31 | zenzelezz | then I obviously misunderstood you |
| 14:37.52 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: you have access to self in that scope |
| 14:37.56 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: why can't you use it? |
| 14:38.05 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: i can do myLuaFunc(self, ...)? |
| 14:38.10 | cladhaire | yes |
| 14:38.14 | JoshBorke | <3 |
| 14:38.15 | cladhaire | of course |
| 14:38.15 | zenzelezz | for a long time already |
| 14:38.17 | JoshBorke | thanks, i didn't know that |
| 14:38.21 | JoshBorke | well! i'm slow! |
| 14:38.24 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 14:38.34 | cladhaire | each widget handler has a signature |
| 14:38.37 | cladhaire | they all get self |
| 14:38.43 | cladhaire | OnClick for example gets self, button |
| 14:38.50 | cladhaire | OnEnter gets self, motion\ |
| 14:39.00 | cladhaire | OnEvent gets self, event, ... |
| 14:39.01 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 14:39.20 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/2.0_consolidated_changes had a very good list of those |
| 14:39.24 | JoshBorke | see, i didn't know that and don't remember it from the notes |
| 14:39.27 | JoshBorke | hush zenzelezz :-P |
| 14:39.36 | zenzelezz | there's a reason I have it bookmarked ;) |
| 14:39.42 | cladhaire | they're also listed exhaustively in the book :P |
| 14:39.56 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: the book which i don't have yet! |
| 14:40.00 | cladhaire | I NO |
| 14:40.03 | cladhaire | neither do i |
| 14:52.37 | bleetah | what? the book isn't available via DCC yet? |
| 14:52.43 | bleetah | someone's letting the team down ;) |
| 14:52.46 | cladhaire | i have it |
| 14:52.48 | cladhaire | i can serve it :P |
| 14:52.54 | bleetah | c'mon man |
| 14:53.08 | bleetah | actually, I pass |
| 14:53.29 | bleetah | I'd rather have the OCRd version with the resultant unworkable code from a real DCC warez joint ;) |
| 14:54.12 | cladhaire | heh |
| 14:57.27 | SpiderBK | i have a little problem here, i have some spells and ids which i try to write into a table. when i print them in the chat frame all the spells are listed but only the last spell is writen to the table. what could i do wrong? |
| 14:58.33 | cladhaire | depends on how you are adding them to the table |
| 14:58.35 | cladhaire | could you pastey the code? |
| 14:59.39 | SpiderBK | sure, one moment |
| 15:02.56 | SpiderBK | http://pastey.net/85682 |
| 15:03.38 | foxlit | Gah |
| 15:04.01 | foxlit | I need a class-like color to highlight pets |
| 15:04.33 | foxlit | Spent the last 10 minutes playing with a colorwheel... every time I find something that's not altogether repulsive, it's too close to a color a proper class uses |
| 15:08.37 | SpiderBK | how about giving the hunter pets a different green than the hunter and the wl pets a different violet? |
| 15:09.03 | foxlit | Finding out who the owner is may be a bit difficult |
| 15:09.18 | SpiderBK | hm thats true |
| 15:09.21 | foxlit | But that's a workable solution otherwise |
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| 15:12.01 | cncfanatics | hello everyone |
| 15:18.43 | [Liquidor] | My leet warrior <3 http://i31.tinypic.com/i5nbm1.jpg |
| 15:19.08 | cncfanatics | why do I tend to not trust pics [Liquidor] posts ? |
| 15:19.35 | [Liquidor] | heh |
| 15:21.39 | SpiderBK | cladhaire: do you see a problem with the table creation? |
| 15:21.48 | cladhaire | looking now |
| 15:21.50 | cladhaire | had to work on something |
| 15:21.53 | SpiderBK | ok |
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| 15:27.35 | cladhaire | SpiderBK: you create a new table each time |
| 15:27.39 | cladhaire | that's why you only get the last entry |
| 15:27.52 | SpiderBK | oh damn |
| 15:27.59 | cladhaire | you'd need to create the table outside the loop |
| 15:28.04 | cladhaire | and add elements to it within the loop |
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| 15:36.55 | SpiderBK | so if i want to add the index to table={[index]={[spell]={min,max},},}; how do i add the spell at the right index? |
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| 15:37.20 | haste | table.insert(table, [, pos], value) |
| 15:38.08 | SpiderBK | and if i want to add the min/max? |
| 15:39.05 | dylanm | You're just adding a table. |
| 15:40.16 | SpiderBK | so it would be table.insert(spell, 1, min) ? |
| 15:42.26 | SpiderBK | or table.insert(table.index.spell, 1, min) ? |
| 15:43.33 | sag_ich_nicht | woho |
| 15:43.43 | sag_ich_nicht | some insane guy sold drums of battle for 5g to me |
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| 15:48.15 | SpiderBK | dylanm: can you tell me how it works, not just confusing me? |
| 15:48.48 | kergoth | SpiderBK: can you read the fucking manual, instead of wasting everyone's time? |
| 15:49.38 | dylanm | SpiderBK: Oh sorry was playing with the dog... um... I guess I'm unclear on what you're trying to do. |
| 15:50.04 | dylanm | Every index has multiple spells? |
| 15:50.12 | dylanm | And you want to add another? |
| 15:50.26 | SpiderBK | no one spell per index but 2 values per spell |
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| 15:50.58 | dylanm | What are the indices? Is it just an array or something far more sinister? |
| 15:53.44 | SpiderBK | it should write all the spells to the table like the last one. but i made the mistake that i always create a new table and only getting the last spell and im not sure how to add everything to the existing table. |
| 15:54.02 | SpiderBK | the result should look like this: dist3Friend = {[208] = {["Lesser Healing Wave"] = {0, 40,},},} |
| 15:54.40 | dylanm | I'm asking whether the indices go 1, 2, 3, 4,... or what |
| 15:54.59 | SpiderBK | no it doesent |
| 15:55.05 | dylanm | Okay. So you're getting those elsewhere. |
| 15:55.55 | dylanm | Then it's just dist3Friend[208] = {["Lesser Healing Wave"] = {0, 40}} |
| 15:57.00 | SpiderBK | and then? how do i add the right spell for the right index? |
| 15:57.27 | dylanm | The index is just a key in the table. You just assign to it. |
| 15:57.37 | dylanm | Like I did there. Unless I'm misunderstanding you. |
| 15:57.57 | SpiderBK | well i want the spellid as the index |
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| 15:58.04 | cladhaire | yes, so you just set it |
| 15:58.13 | cladhaire | tbl[spellIndex] = yourEntry |
| 15:58.20 | dylanm | dist3Friend[MAHSPELLINDEX] = WHATEVER |
| 15:58.43 | dylanm | Like I did up there. If it's 208 it creates the table you gave. |
| 15:59.03 | SpiderBK | and how do i insert the spell and min/max values there? |
| 15:59.10 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 15:59.13 | cladhaire | you're already doing this |
| 15:59.15 | cladhaire | by making the table. |
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| 15:59.22 | cladhaire | {} isn't just a throw-away thing in Lua |
| 15:59.25 | cladhaire | its a table constructor |
| 15:59.28 | cladhaire | each time you do it, you make a new table. |
| 15:59.40 | leethal | does lua have a table of local variables, just like it has a table of global vars in _G? |
| 15:59.41 | cladhaire | you do this |
| 15:59.41 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.48 | SpiderBK | yes but i cant create the table every time like you said so i have to add those things to it right? |
| 15:59.55 | cladhaire | leethal: not without the debug interface, no. |
| 16:00.16 | cladhaire | SpiderBK: in that, what is index, what is spell, and what is min/max |
| 16:00.24 | dylanm | cladhaire: Can you getfenv your way to victory? |
| 16:00.39 | cladhaire | dylanm: no, that's the global environment |
| 16:00.50 | Barlok | can anyone tell me why Cosmos will not run with my computer? I keep getting "can not connect to server" line when trying to install. and yes my internet is hooked up correct. |
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| 16:01.17 | SpiderBK | index= spellid, spell=spellname, nin/max are the min/max ranges of the spell |
| 16:01.22 | leethal | people still uses cosmos? :O |
| 16:01.23 | cladhaire | Barlok: the patcher downloads correctly? |
| 16:01.27 | dylanm | cladhaire: I thought if you called it with 1 you got the calling function's environment...? |
| 16:01.28 | cladhaire | leethal: be nice. |
| 16:01.38 | cladhaire | dylanm: the functions global environment |
| 16:01.42 | leethal | sowwy *applies punishment on self* |
| 16:01.51 | Barlok | as far as I know yes. |
| 16:01.55 | dylanm | Oh. Is that at all different from calling it with 0 then? |
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| 16:02.07 | cladhaire | SpiderBK: dist3Friend[index] = {[spell] = {min, max}} |
| 16:02.23 | cladhaire | dylanm: getfenv(0) returns THE global environment, getfenv(1) returns the environment for that function on the callstack |
| 16:02.31 | cladhaire | you cannot get locals from environments |
| 16:02.35 | SpiderBK | cladhaire: and i write that in the loop? |
| 16:02.40 | cladhaire | you have to use the debug interface |
| 16:02.45 | cladhaire | SpiderBK: and you'd have to create the table outside |
| 16:02.48 | cladhaire | one moment. |
| 16:03.13 | dylanm | Ah, right. |
| 16:03.40 | cladhaire | SpiderBK: http://pastey.net/85684 or so |
| 16:05.29 | cncfanatics | does anyone know why GetCursorInfo() doesn't return shit for pet spells ? and does anyone know what does return something |
| 16:05.32 | dylanm | I get environment confused with scope. |
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| 16:06.57 | cladhaire | dylanm: they're quite different ;-) |
| 16:07.02 | dylanm | I know, I know :p |
| 16:08.10 | Barlok | ok the patcher is what cannot connect to server...just tried it again. |
| 16:08.53 | Barlok | oh yeah and i HAVE VISTA ON MY NEW COMP.... |
| 16:09.32 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: have you guys had any known issues with Vista? |
| 16:09.34 | Barlok | sorry caps |
| 16:09.46 | cncfanatics | Barlok: make sure ur firewall ain't blocking it |
| 16:10.05 | Barlok | firewall being norton? |
| 16:10.21 | cladhaire | or the windows firewall |
| 16:10.50 | cncfanatics | norton, zonealarm, windows firewall and the billions of others |
| 16:11.01 | cladhaire | Funkeh`: whats up, you pinged earlier this week |
| 16:11.29 | Barlok | EGADS!finding that windows firewall will be like pulling my own teeth...I hate vista! |
| 16:11.59 | cncfanatics | Barlok: ditch vista and install your favo linux distro |
| 16:15.51 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtk5qs3HvlI |
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| 16:36.22 | stew_a | is there a better/more efficient way of modifying outgoing chat messages than simply hooking SendChatMessage? |
| 16:40.10 | AlexanderYoshi | not particularly |
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| 16:49.17 | stew_a | didnt think so, thanks |
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| 17:12.23 | Industrial | ~seen tekkub |
| 17:12.26 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 1d 20h 58m 19s ago, saying: 'addy?'. |
| 17:16.15 | Arrowmaster | ~seen kergoth |
| 17:16.16 | purl | kergoth is currently on #oe (3d 6m 36s) #norganna (3d 6m 36s) #wowuidev (3d 6m 36s) #wowace (3d 6m 36s) #elinux (3d 6m 36s). Has said a total of 818 messages. Is idling for 1h 27m 28s, last said: 'SpiderBK: can you read the fucking manual, instead of wasting everyone's time?'. |
| 17:17.04 | End | oh wow |
| 17:17.09 | End | I found a memory leak |
| 17:18.14 | End | I'm not sure where it is, but things act strangely when they can't get more memory |
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| 17:20.04 | cladhaire | ? |
| 17:25.45 | sag_ich_nicht | looting on azgalor is bugged, apparently attacking his adds doesn't put you into "his" combat, so you an't loot him -.- |
| 17:26.16 | AlexanderYoshi | yeah, remember to bandaid someone! |
| 17:27.04 | sag_ich_nicht | -_- |
| 17:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 17:28.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Whoever coded that part |
| 17:28.48 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides Whoever coded that part with the sea of tranquility |
| 17:30.12 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: I don't think it's so much "bugged" as "forgotten during development". We had the tank chest transferred by a GM from the MT to an add tank once, now everyone just stays in and hits the boss until the first silence |
| 17:31.44 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: uhm |
| 17:31.48 | sag_ich_nicht | it's still a bug |
| 17:32.37 | zenzelezz | I stated an opinion |
| 17:33.00 | sag_ich_nicht | 'A software bug (or just "bug") is an error, flaw, mistake, "undocumented feature", failure, or fault in a computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended (e.g., producing an incorrect result).' |
| 17:33.15 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not behaving as intented |
| 17:33.20 | sag_ich_nicht | *intended |
| 17:33.32 | zenzelezz | it doesn't matter what you say fool, that's the point of opinions |
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| 17:34.52 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: the point of a FACT is that it is a fact, and not defined by subjective opinion |
| 17:35.06 | zenzelezz | stop trying to troll, you know I don't listen to you anyway |
| 17:36.20 | JoshBorke | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.23 | JoshBorke | light from death note is scary |
| 17:37.52 | amro | yeah. a prick too |
| 17:38.06 | cladhaire | so what linksys wrt54gs firmware are people using these days? |
| 17:38.22 | cladhaire | its a 7.50 firmware version, so its one of the memory limited ones |
| 17:38.24 | JoshBorke | dd-wrt |
| 17:38.30 | JoshBorke | sucks for you |
| 17:38.58 | nevcairiel | dd-wrt here too |
| 17:39.15 | nevcairiel | i think the mini version of dd-wrt fits on it though |
| 17:39.36 | wereHamster | wow fan site kit, according to the wow website it's 21.2MB, but the zip is 30.5MB! and inside only .doc documents.. pdf next time pls :( |
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| 17:40.51 | cladhaire | can you track the outgoing bandwidth in ddwrt? |
| 17:40.52 | Sixen | "Download Fansite Kit (31.5M) |
| 17:41.01 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:35] <zenzelezz> stop trying to troll, you know I don't listen to you anyway <--i admit i'm a troll, but in this case i wasn't trolling for once |
| 17:41.03 | Sixen | It says 31.5M =P |
| 17:41.47 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: tbh i have no idea, i just use it as a access point so far :P |
| 17:42.05 | wereHamster | http://wow-europe.com/en/links/fansites.html - World of Warcraft Fan Site Kit [21.2 MB - ZIP] |
| 17:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: most linux based routers have a 32-bit int that will roll over if you go above it |
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| 17:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: but that said, as long as you don't pass that, you're fine ;) |
| 17:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Anything more requires extra software |
| 17:42.47 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: We just seem to have massively capped bandwidth here |
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| 17:42.57 | cladhaire | and i'm trying to figure out which client is causing the issues if any |
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| 17:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Define 'here' |
| 17:43.04 | cladhaire | any ideas? |
| 17:43.05 | wereHamster | rrdtool does handle rollovers just fine.. |
| 17:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Like a house, or a school, or what? |
| 17:43.10 | cladhaire | my house |
| 17:43.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Any torrents going on? |
| 17:43.38 | cladhaire | not that i'm aware of, but possibly |
| 17:43.40 | cladhaire | i can't go to each persons' computers |
| 17:43.43 | cladhaire | so i need to try to diagnose it remotely |
| 17:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | One of the problems I had semi-recently |
| 17:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Was that my brother was torrenting everything and then some twice over |
| 17:44.10 | cladhaire | aye |
| 17:44.18 | cladhaire | i suspect we might have someone doing that, but not sure |
| 17:44.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Long story short, the router was tracking >4096 concurrent connections |
| 17:44.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Not so much the bandwidth as it is the NAT layer tracking all of that crap |
| 17:44.40 | cladhaire | yeah i read about that issue |
| 17:44.45 | cladhaire | i'm not sure we're having that |
| 17:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | What does dslreports.com/stest say? |
| 17:45.04 | Shirik | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:45.08 | Shirik | thats a lot of connections |
| 17:45.14 | Shirik | your computer can even handle that many? |
| 17:45.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It was |
| 17:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, easily |
| 17:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | This was on my embedded router board too |
| 17:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 133MHz, 64MB of FURY |
| 17:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just default capped ad 4k connections to prevent abuse, anything more and it would just drop my packets |
| 17:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeming like a low quality line, low bandwidth, and other problems |
| 17:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | (I raised it to 16k and it is working fine now) |
| 17:47.11 | cladhaire | its pre-testing at the moment |
| 17:47.18 | cladhaire | i'll let you know what it ends up showing |
| 17:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You can link the results |
| 17:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (Well, normally - it depends on which mirror you chose) |
| 17:47.53 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: get the RFlow collector for dd-wrt |
| 17:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ntop eh |
| 17:48.09 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: i dont have dd-wrt at the moment |
| 17:48.14 | cladhaire | not sure how to tell if i have the intel flash chip |
| 17:48.27 | nevcairiel | doesnt the serial tell you that or something? |
| 17:48.41 | cladhaire | not that i can see for this particular issue |
| 17:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | As a footnote to nevcairiel's suggestion, that'll tell you everything and anything you ever wanted to know about what went over your router |
| 17:49.27 | cladhaire | heh |
| 17:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But that'll also analyze every single packet that passes through it :) |
| 17:49.33 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah |
| 17:49.36 | cladhaire | i dont mind slowing things down for a bit |
| 17:49.37 | nevcairiel | but its good for traffic |
| 17:49.39 | cladhaire | to diagnose |
| 17:49.41 | cladhaire | as long as i can turn it off. |
| 17:49.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You can, it would seem |
| 17:50.01 | cladhaire | Download: 674 (Kbps) |
| 17:50.01 | cladhaire | Upload: 19 (Kbps) |
| 17:50.03 | cladhaire | wow |
| 17:50.03 | cladhaire | thats terrible. |
| 17:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 17:50.06 | Shirik | rofl |
| 17:50.15 | cladhaire | and totally not what it should be. |
| 17:50.22 | cladhaire | but that _is_ what i'm experiencing. |
| 17:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | They should also have a line quality test there, that may be of use to you |
| 17:51.46 | cladhaire | my upload seems to be x capped x |
| 17:52.10 | cladhaire | 877 Kb/s down 109 Kb/s up |
| 17:53.39 | cladhaire | 762 Kb/s down 94 Kb/s up |
| 17:53.41 | cladhaire | that's what makes me think even more that its an issue with other users in the house |
| 17:53.51 | cladhaire | if its capped that tightly |
| 17:56.14 | cladhaire | so if anyone has an idea of how i can determine whether or not I can flash dd-wrt onto it, I'd appreciate it :P |
| 17:56.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not of help there, I'd sooner die than purchase a home-grade router ;D |
| 17:56.47 | cncfanatics | try and see if it breaks ? :) |
| 17:56.54 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: can't risk a brick at the moment |
| 17:57.52 | nevcairiel | a 54gs eh? |
| 17:57.56 | cladhaire | aye |
| 17:59.06 | nevcairiel | a 7.0? |
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| 17:59.25 | cladhaire | Firmware Version: v7.50.0 |
| 17:59.30 | cladhaire | thats what its currently running firmware-wise |
| 17:59.55 | cladhaire | CGNB serial |
| 18:00.04 | nevcairiel | open that thing and look which name is printed on the firmware chip |
| 18:00.12 | nevcairiel | i dont see a way to be sure with the v7 |
| 18:00.29 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 18:01.22 | cladhaire | sucks that they effed the consumer models in order to re-brand the WRT54GL |
| 18:01.32 | nevcairiel | i got one of the best wrt54g without even knowing it |
| 18:01.33 | cladhaire | :( |
| 18:01.38 | nevcairiel | i just bought it way back |
| 18:01.45 | cladhaire | i had the best one at home |
| 18:01.47 | nevcairiel | afterwards noticed that its the best of the series for flashing |
| 18:01.50 | cladhaire | but that kind of does shit in the UK :P |
| 18:01.54 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:01.54 | cncfanatics | long live home-made rooters with an old comp :) |
| 18:02.13 | cladhaire | the radios in them are atually really good. |
| 18:02.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: screw that, http://soekris.com/net4521.htm |
| 18:03.05 | ScytheBlade1 | OS on read-only flash ftw |
| 18:03.40 | cladhaire | lol i don't see an easy way to open this up |
| 18:03.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:03.56 | cladhaire | seriously |
| 18:04.20 | nevcairiel | do they have the same enclose as the earlier series? |
| 18:04.24 | nevcairiel | *enclosure |
| 18:04.33 | cladhaire | it seems so, but i dont have an old one to look at :P |
| 18:04.45 | cladhaire | no screws and I don't see any easy way to pry it open |
| 18:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome, I'm a script kiddie it would seem: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=244C4C0AE7F18531BC61F7F02DE26751?topicId=5835557275&sid=1 |
| 18:05.57 | nevcairiel | hm you're right |
| 18:06.00 | nevcairiel | same with mine |
| 18:06.07 | nevcairiel | never bothered to look really =P |
| 18:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid sessionid |
| 18:06.12 | wereHamster | Some systems may experience a performance drop with USB keyboards attached. After loading the game, try unplugging your keyboard if this is the cause of your performance drop. - ehm, how is the user supposed to move then? |
| 18:09.30 | cladhaire | bastages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VxWorks |
| 18:09.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 18:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | You're boned |
| 18:09.52 | Shirik | VxWorks = so much beautiful |
| 18:09.57 | Shirik | whats wrong with it? |
| 18:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's on his router |
| 18:10.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:10.08 | Shirik | Linksys? |
| 18:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And packed too small to allow him to put something else on there |
| 18:10.17 | Shirik | haha |
| 18:10.30 | Shirik | VxWorks is an amazing OS |
| 18:12.27 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: not packed too small |
| 18:12.32 | cladhaire | the micro ddwrt fits just fine |
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| 18:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh right, I forgot about that |
| 18:12.42 | cladhaire | its the flashing that can't happen |
| 18:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if you could though, I doubt you could fit that ntop binary in there |
| 18:13.29 | nevcairiel | RFlow |
| 18:13.30 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It contains ntop ;) |
| 18:13.43 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 18:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Just google it, first result |
| 18:13.52 | nevcairiel | rflow is in the base dd-wrt |
| 18:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "Ntop NetFlow with a WRT54GS Firewall/Router and NST Probe" |
| 18:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ntop is the program that you pull up in the browser |
| 18:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I've used it before to analyze stuff that flows over the wire |
| 18:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And the screenshots on that page are 100% ntop |
| 18:15.03 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. |
| 18:15.14 | sag_ich_nicht | the interface texture corruption |
| 18:15.15 | sag_ich_nicht | on alt+tab |
| 18:15.21 | sag_ich_nicht | is still present even with uifaster 0 |
| 18:15.33 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 18:17.43 | sag_ich_nicht | i think it's memory corruption and after some time of alt+tabbing the cause of the alt+tab crash, but i can't know of course :X |
| 18:22.38 | cncfanatics | where in the framexml are localized strings again ? |
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| 18:23.11 | nevcairiel | GlobalStrings.lua |
| 18:23.30 | cncfanatics | ty |
| 18:25.48 | cncfanatics | spell rank doesn't seem to be in there ? |
| 18:25.56 | cncfanatics | (Rank X) for spells in the tooltip |
| 18:28.56 | dylanm | There's RANK. |
| 18:29.23 | cncfanatics | is RANK always in front of the number in every language ? |
| 18:30.16 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 18:30.17 | nevcairiel | maybe |
| 18:30.18 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:31.31 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8691-BindingsReminder.html#info <-- is my description really that bad? |
| 18:32.59 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: yes |
| 18:33.04 | nevcairiel | (i didnt read it though) |
| 18:35.30 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: you're teh best <3 |
| 18:36.01 | nevcairiel | i learned from you! |
| 18:36.17 | JoshBorke | it's so great seeing you bloom <3 |
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| 18:52.01 | zenzelezz | watching a tennis game with Sharapova is just so painful for your ears |
| 18:53.05 | amro | professional tennis seems to be more about the sounds they make than physical fitness |
| 18:53.33 | amro | notice how players each have their own signature sound |
| 18:53.35 | zenzelezz | I don't get that impression about any of the big ones except Sharapova... maybe just because she's so extreme |
| 18:54.22 | isman | zenzelezz: but so delightful for your eyes :o |
| 18:54.43 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter when her noises makes you want to gag her |
| 18:55.09 | zenzelezz | I'd take Kirilenko over Sharapova any day |
| 18:55.36 | isman | i'd take Mauresmo ! oh wai- |
| 18:55.45 | zenzelezz | ew >.< |
| 18:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, so. |
| 18:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I admit it. I'm guilty. I don't "read the stickies" |
| 18:59.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But apparently, no one else does either: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442927843&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 18:59.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The random questions posted on that second page are oddly entertaining |
| 19:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 1/12/08: " ummmmm i dont have the mymodfolder's" |
| 19:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 3/27/08: " Bump.. (so i can find it later)" |
| 19:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | IT'S A STICKY |
| 19:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | IT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE |
| 19:01.33 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 19:14.17 | AnduinLothar | cladhaire: http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?p=66790 |
| 19:14.42 | cladhaire | thanks, hopefully that guy got his help |
| 19:15.23 | AnduinLothar | there was a long thread no one reads, so i consolodated it to a summary port |
| 19:15.26 | AnduinLothar | post* |
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| 19:32.21 | mikma | http://www.wintrest.com/how-background-people-ruin-your-photos/ <- some are nsfw material :) |
| 19:32.33 | sag_ich_nicht | my tear of the goddess disappeared in-fight |
| 19:32.35 | sag_ich_nicht | awesome |
| 19:32.38 | mikma | well, they all are ^^ |
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| 19:33.14 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: Thats why you get an ew one before every fight ^_^ |
| 19:33.23 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 19:37.02 | mikma | so basicly, sag wiped the group. gz |
| 19:37.11 | Shirik | well depends |
| 19:37.14 | Shirik | what class does sag_ich_nicht play? |
| 19:37.48 | dylanm | Troll. |
| 19:38.02 | Xinhuan | divine shield, silly |
| 19:38.30 | mikma | dylanm: HAHA |
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| 19:41.12 | sag_ich_nicht | mikma: not really |
| 19:41.29 | sag_ich_nicht | it was more the fact that three other people died |
| 19:41.55 | zenzelezz | listening to the "alt" channel for my old guild (which is now just a channel for former members since the guild died)... the guild a few former guildies are in now managed to hit enrage timer on Supremus |
| 19:42.16 | sag_ich_nicht | ROFLMAO |
| 19:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 19:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | He has an enrage timer? |
| 19:43.56 | zenzelezz | 15 minutes IIRC |
| 19:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 19:44.30 | Iriel | It's late but.. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5835557417&postId=58350235565&sid=1#0 |
| 19:44.37 | Iriel | Actual API changes thread for 2.4.1 |
| 19:44.50 | mikma | zenzelezz: atleast they are still alive |
| 19:45.06 | Iriel | Damn, it's truncated one sec |
| 19:46.00 | AnduinLothar | GetUnitMaxHealthModifier("unit") WUT? |
| 19:46.14 | Iriel | It's only used for "pet" in the main UI |
| 19:46.15 | AnduinLothar | oh nm |
| 19:46.28 | zenzelezz | mikma: I would rather be dead than alive when Supremus enrages |
| 19:46.44 | AnduinLothar | maybe it works for last stand type things |
| 19:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, from 2.3.3 |
| 19:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought you meant 2.4.0 --> 2.4.1 |
| 19:46.56 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: As I said.. late 8-) |
| 19:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Was confused |
| 19:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
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| 20:02.48 | cncfanatics | Iriel: do you have any idea with GetCursorInfo() returns nothing for pet spells ? |
| 20:03.11 | Drundia | i have idea that maybe because you can't put them on your own action bar |
| 20:03.15 | Iriel | My guess is that pet spells are wierdly different internally than normal spells |
| 20:03.21 | Iriel | and so they didn't get covered. |
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| 20:03.36 | Iriel | The whole spell system seems fittingly arcane and complex |
| 20:03.57 | cncfanatics | its fucking me a lot for flexbar that they're not supported anywhere :( |
| 20:06.29 | Drundia | i could be wrong but i think GetCursorInfo() returns same as GetActionInfo() |
| 20:06.49 | End | meow! |
| 20:07.08 | Syzgyn | ow do |
| 20:07.09 | Syzgyn | er |
| 20:07.32 | Syzgyn | How do I hide my addon's fubar icon without disabling the addon? |
| 20:07.45 | Drundia | hmmm, i don't remember GetActionInfo() being there, did i miss something or is from like 2.3? |
| 20:08.05 | cncfanatics | GetActionInfo is as old as actionslots |
| 20:12.11 | cncfanatics | I hope blizz does a decent revamp of some APIs for wotlk |
| 20:12.12 | Seerah | Syzgyn: are you talking about as a user or a coder? |
| 20:13.08 | Syzgyn | as a coder, sorry |
| 20:13.54 | Syzgyn | I want to have the option to hide the plugin completetly, while keeping the addon running |
| 20:14.51 | Drundia | by the way any addon to save and load content of action slots? |
| 20:15.46 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 20:15.55 | cncfanatics | I have a function that accepts arguments when ... |
| 20:16.05 | cncfanatics | how would I pass all arguments except the first one to another function ? |
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| 20:16.44 | Drundia | you can pass select(2,...) |
| 20:16.58 | cncfanatics | wouldn't that only pass the second argument ? |
| 20:17.00 | Drundia | if the first function has all args as ... |
| 20:17.02 | MentalPower|ZzZz | nop |
| 20:17.03 | Drundia | no |
| 20:17.07 | Drundia | 2nd and up |
| 20:17.20 | MentalPower | it passes the stack starting at the second arg |
| 20:17.27 | cncfanatics | okay, thanks |
| 20:18.03 | cncfanatics | I could also just do function(_, ...) instead of function(...) on my function declaration i supose ? |
| 20:18.09 | Seerah | Syzgyn: In the fubar menu, it's the "Hide Plugin" option - but I don't know the code for it. Open up another mod's code and see how it's done. |
| 20:18.20 | Shirik | is there any way to look at a DLL and tell what function is at a given address? |
| 20:18.29 | Shirik | specifically kernel32.dll |
| 20:18.34 | Drundia | what is closure for loadstring()-creted functions? function(...) or function() ? |
| 20:19.01 | cncfanatics | Drundia: try it out |
| 20:19.08 | cncfanatics | probably function(...) |
| 20:19.10 | Syzgyn | Seerah: Yeah, I guess I'll have to do it that way |
| 20:19.26 | Shirik | lua> loadstring[[return select([=[#]=], ...)]](1,2,3) |
| 20:19.26 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3 |
| 20:19.29 | Shirik | there you go |
| 20:19.36 | Drundia | goodie :) |
| 20:20.09 | Drundia | now how would access them fastest like named args? |
| 20:20.13 | Drundia | selecting all crap? |
| 20:20.19 | wereHamster | Shirik, why do you use [=[ and not " ? |
| 20:20.21 | End | local x, y, z = ... |
| 20:20.21 | Drundia | copying? |
| 20:20.21 | Iriel | local blah, wibble, crap = ...; |
| 20:20.23 | Shirik | local arg1, arg2, arg3 = ... |
| 20:20.27 | End | lol |
| 20:20.38 | Shirik | wereHamster: Because my quotes look like this |
| 20:20.51 | Iriel | Am I the ONLY person who likes semicolons? |
| 20:20.53 | End | his quotes aren't real quites ;-P |
| 20:20.56 | End | quotes* |
| 20:21.01 | Drundia | no, iriel, i like them too |
| 20:21.02 | MentalPower|Food | Iriel: yes :) |
| 20:21.03 | Shirik | Iriel: I use semicolons all the time if it makes you feel better :) |
| 20:21.12 | Shirik | Just not there because I guess I was reading wereHamsters stuff |
| 20:21.23 | cncfanatics | Iriel: I always put semicolons in my code |
| 20:21.31 | MentalPower|Food | Iriel: I hate them in C/C++/Java so I kill them in the only language I can, Lua :) |
| 20:21.42 | cncfanatics | I use them everywhere just because its a habit :p |
| 20:21.46 | End | I used to use semicolons all the time in lua, but I don't much anymore |
| 20:21.48 | MentalPower|Food | its revenge :) |
| 20:21.50 | amro | semicolons are awesome; |
| 20:22.01 | End | I think I stopped after I wrote a bunch of stuff in python |
| 20:22.04 | MentalPower|Food | oh add Perl and PHP to that list :) |
| 20:22.25 | Drundia | i;like;semicolons; |
| 20:22.35 | Shirik | Semicolons invade my life |
| 20:22.42 | Shirik | more than once I have caught myself using them at the end of english sentences |
| 20:22.53 | Drundia | when i replaced combat log patterns before i used exactly semi-colons |
| 20:23.27 | cncfanatics | Shirik: you aren't serious are you ? |
| 20:23.32 | Shirik | kinda :/ |
| 20:23.42 | Shirik | Here let me show you an IRC conversation I had |
| 20:24.07 | Shirik | this was at like 4 AM and after writing a huge switch-case statement |
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| 20:25.08 | Shirik | assuming netbeans loads sometime this year |
| 20:25.34 | wereHamster | is netbeans your irc client? |
| 20:25.45 | Shirik | no, it is a godly IDE |
| 20:25.58 | Drundia | That reminds me that I wanted a secure action button type to pickup actions |
| 20:27.22 | widgertick | Semicolons are the bomb |
| 20:27.52 | Drundia | semicolons are best thing ever invented |
| 20:29.00 | Shirik | here, this was fun |
| 20:29.04 | Syzgyn | Seerah: Turns out there was a fubar metadata option I had to set that wasn't in the API |
| 20:29.18 | Shirik | look for the comment in the middle. Code included for context: http://wowi.pastey.net/85698 |
| 20:29.39 | Seerah | Syzgyn: glad you got it all figured out then :) |
| 20:30.20 | Syzgyn | Seerah: Yep, thanks. Now I get to figure out all my .toc crap |
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| 20:31.00 | Syzgyn | Shirik: That's pretty funny |
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| 20:31.29 | Shirik | worst thing is I made it even bigger on the other robot :/ |
| 20:31.39 | Seerah | hehe shirig |
| 20:31.41 | Seerah | *shirik |
| 20:31.48 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 20:31.52 | Shirik | I dont learn lessons well |
| 20:31.56 | cncfanatics | Drundia: secure action buttons pickup actions by default if they're real actionbuttons |
| 20:32.20 | Drundia | how real? |
| 20:32.45 | cncfanatics | Button:GetAttribute("type") == "action" |
| 20:32.50 | cncfanatics | if thats true, its a "real" actionbutton |
| 20:33.09 | Syzgyn | so who wants to teach me all this fun x-embed stuff |
| 20:33.33 | cncfanatics | Syzgyn: shouldn't bother with uploading to wowace anymore imho |
| 20:33.43 | Drundia | erhm no they don't |
| 20:34.10 | cncfanatics | they should switch actions, but its up to your code to change textures & stuff |
| 20:34.13 | Drundia | there is no pickup code anywhere |
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| 20:34.21 | Drundia | i can place actions |
| 20:34.24 | Drundia | but not pick them up |
| 20:34.47 | Syzgyn | cncfanatics: I wasn't planning on it, but isn't it still worth putting in, or do I just need option deps? |
| 20:34.51 | cncfanatics | ah, PickupAction(Button:GetAttribute("action")); would do |
| 20:35.07 | cncfanatics | Syzgyn: you shouldn't ask me, I haven't bothered with wowace svn for a while now |
| 20:35.19 | Syzgyn | I dont even have svn access, so :P |
| 20:35.40 | Drundia | it is locked incombat |
| 20:35.44 | SpiderBK | if i add a value to a table where the same index exists, will this overwrite the old value? |
| 20:35.52 | wereHamster | yes |
| 20:35.55 | SpiderBK | ok |
| 20:35.57 | Arrowmaster | x-embeds only exists for the wowace package script to read, i dont know of any updaters that actually read it from the tocs |
| 20:36.12 | cncfanatics | anyway, I'm going to get some sleep |
| 20:36.20 | cncfanatics | g'night |
| 20:36.21 | Drundia | yes, i really always end up needing to move some spells when we have already pulled boss |
| 20:36.34 | cncfanatics | Drundia: I think only the default UI can ever do that |
| 20:37.13 | SpiderBK | lets say i have a spell which can only be cast on undead, is there a way to get this information? |
| 20:37.24 | Syzgyn | Arrowmaster: So if I'm not gonna do anything with the SVN, I can just use optional deps? |
| 20:37.42 | MentalPower|Food | SpiderBK: other than Tooltip parsing, no |
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| 20:38.42 | Arrowmaster | Syzgyn: yeah, and even on the wowace svn people are suppost to use optional deps too |
| 20:38.46 | SpiderBK | MentalPower|Food: where would this be in the tooltip? in the description text? |
| 20:39.07 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: But OptDeps are a non-ace thing! We cant use it! |
| 20:39.18 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:39.22 | Shirik | I remember this conversation from a few months ago |
| 20:39.33 | Shirik | someone insisted that opt deps arent supposed to be used |
| 20:39.41 | Syzgyn | o.O |
| 20:39.46 | Arrowmaster | ellipse |
| 20:39.55 | Arrowmaster | becasue shes weird |
| 20:40.29 | MentalPower | wait what? |
| 20:40.35 | MentalPower | why would she say that? |
| 20:40.39 | MentalPower | SpiderBK: correct |
| 20:40.56 | SpiderBK | :/ |
| 20:41.35 | wereHamster | MentalPower, .. because she's weird? |
| 20:41.44 | Arrowmaster | she thinks that only truely optional deps should be in optional deps, and that the entire embeding system is wrong because it blurs the lines of whats a required dep and whats an optional dep |
| 20:42.36 | MentalPower | I would agree with her, but only if Blizz provided an "Embedded:" TOC tag, and since they don't its a moot point |
| 20:42.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah with what we currently have embeding wins |
| 20:43.00 | MentalPower | since without OptDeps, an un-embedded lib does not work |
| 20:46.44 | Shirik | uptime: 2w 4d 13h 46m 24s |
| 20:46.59 | Shirik | yey new record |
| 20:51.06 | Syzgyn | Mentalpower: that has always sortof boggled me |
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| 20:51.48 | MentalPower | y? |
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| 20:52.52 | Syzgyn | if the deps are really optional, shouldnt it work without them? |
| 20:53.01 | Shirik | well it kinda does |
| 20:53.06 | Shirik | if its embedded |
| 20:53.20 | Syzgyn | true |
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| 20:59.49 | Duman | hmm |
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| 21:05.37 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.57 | Shirik | trac? |
| 21:07.00 | Shirik | nice system |
| 21:07.04 | wereHamster | yep :) |
| 21:07.06 | Shirik | used it before |
| 21:07.16 | SpiderBK | does someone has a meele shaman? |
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| 21:07.39 | Syzgyn | SpiderBK: lvl 26 :P |
| 21:08.05 | SpiderBK | i guess you doent have stormstrike yet, right? |
| 21:08.24 | Syzgyn | negative, thats lvl 40 minimum |
| 21:08.42 | Syzgyn | you're looking for info, or to test a mod |
| 21:08.43 | Syzgyn | ? |
| 21:08.49 | SpiderBK | for info |
| 21:08.55 | Syzgyn | I might know, ask away |
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| 21:09.15 | SpiderBK | well the range description , is it 5yd range or Meele range? |
| 21:10.31 | Syzgyn | shammy friends say melee range |
| 21:10.40 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.04 | Syzgyn | not like Judgement |
| 21:11.13 | SpiderBK | thx, i wonder why the tooltip on thottbot says 5yd o_O |
| 21:11.35 | Syzgyn | most melee spells say 5 yards |
| 21:11.46 | Syzgyn | ok, thats a lie |
| 21:11.50 | Syzgyn | they used to I think |
| 21:11.50 | SpiderBK | hehe |
| 21:12.20 | Syzgyn | wereHamster: Is it meant more for feature requests, or actual bug reports? |
| 21:12.33 | SpiderBK | most melee spells didnt had a range tooltip... i guess thats why they added the melee range |
| 21:13.05 | SpiderBK | are there melee spells with 8yd? |
| 21:13.23 | wereHamster | Syzgyn, I haven't decided yet, for starters probably just feature requests, as deciding what is a bug and what not is difficult |
| 21:14.06 | Syzgyn | very true |
| 21:14.33 | wereHamster | also whether to open it for the public or keep it closed isn't decided yet, first I'd like to get feedback about the general idea |
| 21:14.42 | Syzgyn | Spider: Judgement is 10yds, but its not really a melee spell, so no I dont think so |
| 21:15.00 | Syzgyn | well it would depend I think |
| 21:15.20 | Syzgyn | opening it up for feature requests is asking for trouble, but opening it up for bug reports would work well |
| 21:15.23 | Syzgyn | IMO |
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| 21:17.52 | amro | wereHamster: it's certainly much more organized than a thread. also, what do you mean by "public"? |
| 21:18.20 | wereHamster | I have a trac plugin so everyone can register an account, but it's disabled now |
| 21:21.00 | Syzgyn | I guess it depends on how much time you want to spend moderating it |
| 21:21.23 | wereHamster | there'd certainly be need for someone to triage the bugs |
| 21:21.55 | Syzgyn | and you'd get massive amounts of spam/crappy ideas if you opened it up to feature requests |
| 21:23.32 | amro | I think it's specific to UI functionality |
| 21:23.40 | wereHamster | also, does the broad publid know how to work with bug tracking systems? I'm not feeling comfortable letting some 10yr old kiddies to the site |
| 21:24.18 | Syzgyn | doubtful |
| 21:24.21 | amro | put up a big sign pointing to documentation. not that people will read it, but just in case |
| 21:24.50 | Syzgyn | and you'd still probably get some stupid ideas even if its limited to UI stuff |
| 21:25.00 | Syzgyn | 'OMG LET ME TARGET THINGS FROM GUID' |
| 21:25.10 | wereHamster | .. or open it for you folks, and whenever you see a good suggenstion or a bug report you'd put in into the bug tracker :) |
| 21:25.26 | Syzgyn | ^ probably the best bet :) |
| 21:26.33 | p3lim | how do i truncate a string? |
| 21:26.45 | SpiderBK | does IsSpellInRange(spell,"unit") work for enemy units with frienly spells? |
| 21:26.46 | p3lim | cant remember, really cba manually searching through the pil |
| 21:26.52 | wereHamster | .. then I could make a special report query for blizzard staff and have them open it once a month or so and close/accept/confirm the tickets :) |
| 21:26.53 | p3lim | no |
| 21:27.27 | SpiderBK | th |
| 21:27.29 | SpiderBK | x |
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| 21:29.03 | Iriel | wereHamster: There's already a semi-official place for requests, it's cogwheel's suggestion thread |
| 21:29.32 | Iriel | wereHamster: So you'd want to feed your requests into, and responses out of, that |
| 21:29.59 | Syzgyn | p3lim: string.sub? |
| 21:30.01 | cogwheel | and i'm working on a new copy at this very moment... (the thread's close to dying) |
| 21:33.16 | Drundia | Iriel, and that once again reminds me that forums are split between regions. |
| 21:33.28 | Drundia | And once again gives a reason to merge them already |
| 21:33.54 | Drundia | Not like you can personally merge them, but I like telling about it. |
| 21:35.56 | Syzgyn | I see no overwhelming reason to merge them |
| 21:37.00 | Drundia | in what region do you play? |
| 21:37.47 | SpiderBK | woot first aid range got a nerf:( used to be 18yd when i last checked, now it says 15 on thottbot:/ |
| 21:38.37 | Syzgyn | enUS |
| 21:38.49 | Syzgyn | and I realize most of the threads are in those forums |
| 21:38.56 | Syzgyn | but the language barrier is pretty solid |
| 21:40.14 | Drundia | obviously you see no need to chat with lazy EU CMs |
| 21:40.27 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 21:40.40 | Drundia | Lately they don't even bother to copy blue posts from US boards |
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| 21:41.10 | Drundia | since someone always does that before them anyway |
| 21:42.02 | Syzgyn | why must blizz have random spellID's that end up replacing your abilities in the combat log D: |
| 21:42.53 | SpiderBK | if i have a spell which only works on undead and i check it with IsSpellInRange(spell,unit) on a human target, then i get nil, is that right? |
| 21:43.18 | Syzgyn | I'm not sure, possibly |
| 21:44.53 | Syzgyn | so Execute rank 7's spell ID is 25236, but when you actually use execute, it uses the spell ID 20647..... wtf? |
| 21:45.46 | wereHamster | what spell is 20647? |
| 21:46.05 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20647 |
| 21:46.21 | Syzgyn | Execute with no rank |
| 21:46.29 | Drundia | it's Execute rage-to-damage convertor dummy |
| 21:46.35 | Syzgyn | yeah, probably |
| 21:46.41 | Syzgyn | but it still fucks up my mod |
| 21:46.51 | Syzgyn | which tracks stuff based on spellID's |
| 21:47.04 | Syzgyn | *grumblegrumble* |
| 21:47.34 | Drundia | all variable stuff has some weird dummies |
| 21:47.45 | Syzgyn | the same thing happens with sweeping strikes |
| 21:48.04 | wereHamster | easy, don't play a warrior |
| 21:48.13 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 21:48.29 | Syzgyn | in fact, there's 2 sweeping strike dummy spells that get used |
| 21:50.00 | Syzgyn | 12723 and 26654, both of which end up in the combat log |
| 21:52.39 | SpiderBK | someone knows what GetSpellInfo(spellId or spellName or spellLink) returns as min/max range for a "Melee range" spell? |
| 21:53.19 | Syzgyn | 0,0 |
| 21:53.34 | SpiderBK | sure? |
| 21:54.30 | Drundia | shouldn't it be 0,5? |
| 21:54.46 | Syzgyn | attack and execute just returned 0,0 |
| 21:55.09 | SpiderBK | good, than i didnt wrote the tooltip parser for nothing:D |
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| 21:56.36 | Syzgyn | whatcha writing it for? |
| 21:56.51 | SpiderBK | a new version of distance |
| 21:56.56 | Syzgyn | aha |
| 21:59.28 | SpiderBK | im tired of updating it every patch so i try to make it updating itself, but im not sure i know enough to do it |
| 22:00.10 | Syzgyn | thats the one that gives you a bar of 3 or so different colors right? |
| 22:00.30 | SpiderBK | yes |
| 22:00.57 | Syzgyn | and the api call they added doesnt give you enough info? |
| 22:01.26 | SpiderBK | you mean the GetSpellInfo()? |
| 22:01.41 | Shirik | omg wtb less warrior/druid teams! |
| 22:01.47 | SpiderBK | hehe |
| 22:01.55 | Syzgyn | that and inRange() |
| 22:02.14 | Syzgyn | Shirik: I got from 1600 to 1850 in less than 2 hours with that team :D |
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| 22:02.51 | Shirik | die |
| 22:03.28 | Syzgyn | what do you play as and with? |
| 22:04.30 | SpiderBK | hmm what does inRange() return? and for what ranges? o_O |
| 22:04.55 | Syzgyn | inRange = UnitInRange("unit") -- Determines if a unit is within a (fixed by Blizzard) useful range based on flash heal/cure range) This is now used by the Blizzard Raid UI |
| 22:05.05 | Syzgyn | I guess its not that useful, but maybe |
| 22:05.16 | SpiderBK | useful range... wth does that mean? |
| 22:05.27 | Syzgyn | probably 30 yards |
| 22:05.32 | SpiderBK | i dont think i can use that for the addon^^ |
| 22:05.35 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 22:05.46 | Drundia | it's 40 |
| 22:06.16 | Syzgyn | keeps returning nil for me, weird |
| 22:06.25 | SpiderBK | hm might be useful for warriors friendly range if that also displays 40 yd |
| 22:06.34 | SpiderBK | what class? |
| 22:06.36 | Syzgyn | war |
| 22:06.47 | SpiderBK | on what unit? |
| 22:07.10 | ckknight | anyone have experience with framelevel inside ScrollFrames? |
| 22:07.12 | Syzgyn | target |
| 22:07.22 | SpiderBK | friend or enemy? |
| 22:07.30 | Syzgyn | friendly npc and player |
| 22:07.38 | Syzgyn | and enemy npx |
| 22:07.40 | SpiderBK | ok then its useless for me |
| 22:07.41 | Syzgyn | npc* |
| 22:07.47 | Syzgyn | yeah, dunno what the deal with that is |
| 22:08.48 | SpiderBK | would be nice to have a friendly 40yd display as warrior for arena |
| 22:08.58 | Syzgyn | why 40 yards? |
| 22:09.12 | SpiderBK | because thats the healrange of your mate? |
| 22:09.16 | Syzgyn | ah, true |
| 22:09.20 | Drundia | i think UnitInRange() only works on friends |
| 22:09.23 | Drundia | or only on raid even |
| 22:09.25 | Syzgyn | but LoS would be more important |
| 22:09.31 | Syzgyn | possibly only in raid |
| 22:09.41 | SpiderBK | is LoS check possible? |
| 22:09.44 | Syzgyn | no |
| 22:09.50 | Syzgyn | not from the warrior's side |
| 22:10.09 | Syzgyn | it's possible from the healer after you try the spell |
| 22:10.13 | SpiderBK | hmm and how is it possible from the healers sidE? |
| 22:10.21 | Syzgyn | you get the error not in LoS |
| 22:10.28 | Syzgyn | on spellcast |
| 22:10.30 | SpiderBK | oh ok |
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| 22:10.46 | Drundia | yes it will give them a nice error message together with "<Warrior Name> has died" in their chat frame |
| 22:10.58 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 22:10.59 | SpiderBK | nice:D |
| 22:11.39 | Syzgyn | 'course, most people dont go after the warrior in a warrior/druid team |
| 22:13.37 | cogwheel | Cairenn: funny thing is that you perfectly split my reserved posts from the ones i'm actually going to fill |
| 22:13.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:14.19 | Cairenn | you know I'll delete it if you want me to :) |
| 22:14.25 | Cairenn | was just having some fun |
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| 22:14.27 | SpiderBK | does posX, posY = GetPlayerMapPosition("unit"); work in arena? |
| 22:14.50 | cogwheel | no worries :P |
| 22:15.04 | Drundia | no world map in arena i think |
| 22:15.12 | Drundia | so no working GetPlayerMapPosition() |
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| 22:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe. Horde are stupid. |
| 22:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Me (resto druid) and an enhance shaman held off a tower in AV for 6 minutes against 5+ horde |
| 22:16.53 | Syzgyn | AV is a shitfest in my BG now |
| 22:17.17 | Syzgyn | nothing but 30min games |
| 22:17.37 | Drundia | horde pugs horribly fail indeed :( |
| 22:17.49 | Drundia | 30 min is not that bad |
| 22:18.12 | Syzgyn | considering before 2.4 we could do 10 min ones, it is |
| 22:18.23 | Drundia | pfff |
| 22:18.26 | Drundia | oldschool av ftw |
| 22:18.49 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 22:18.54 | Syzgyn | yeah, I've just been spoiled |
| 22:19.25 | Syzgyn | and alliance lose 7/10 games now, because none of them know how to do anything if the rush fails |
| 22:19.27 | Guillotine | cogwheel: If we see something that should be in a different section, should we wait for you to finish editing the post? |
| 22:19.45 | cogwheel | i'm done now if you see something |
| 22:20.03 | Guillotine | TargetGUID should be moved to accepted |
| 22:20.13 | Guillotine | e.g. UnitGUID("target") |
| 22:21.29 | cogwheel | +By |
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| 22:23.11 | cogwheel | as in targetbyguid (changed it to that in the suggestion) |
| 22:23.47 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 22:24.13 | Guillotine | wasn't that declined (albeit unofficially in this channel)? |
| 22:24.46 | Iriel | I was just badgering cog about that as an interpretation of slouken's last 2.4 changes thread post |
| 22:24.48 | cogwheel | yes, and the albeit unofficially is why i went ahead and put it up there... (plus they deleted my post in teh 2.4 thread telling them it was declined, so who knows) |
| 22:24.58 | cogwheel | s/them/someone/ |
| 22:25.17 | Guillotine | also, "Allow inspection of opposing faction members" should be moved to accepted |
| 22:26.21 | cogwheel | done for next time i update... feel free to post any more you come up with... gotta run for now |
| 22:27.12 | Shirik | !ap 1623 |
| 22:28.49 | Syzgyn | Shirik: 2s: 377, 3s: 437, 5s: 496 |
| 22:29.02 | Shirik | Syzgyn: Type !ap 1623 :P |
| 22:29.08 | Syzgyn | it didnt work |
| 22:29.11 | Shirik | try it |
| 22:29.22 | Syzgyn | unless it doesnt !ap 1850 |
| 22:29.25 | Syzgyn | er |
| 22:29.28 | Syzgyn | !ap 1850 |
| 22:29.33 | Syzgyn | oh, its to you |
| 22:29.33 | batrick | --> points(1623) |
| 22:29.33 | batbot | batrick: > 496, 5v5 |
| 22:29.34 | Syzgyn | nevermind! |
| 22:29.37 | Shirik | ;) |
| 22:29.37 | batrick | ^_^ |
| 22:29.48 | Shirik | ~lart batrick |
| 22:29.48 | purl | wallops batrick with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 22:29.50 | Shirik | this is my 2v2 team |
| 22:29.52 | Syzgyn | I thought it displayed it in the channel, and wasnt working or something |
| 22:29.56 | batrick | --> points(1623, 2) |
| 22:29.56 | batbot | batrick: > 377, 2 |
| 22:29.59 | batrick | :P |
| 22:29.59 | Gnarfoz | <Drundia> oldschool av ftw <-- start AV on thursday, leave in the evening, join on saturday morning... STILL THE SAME GAME! ;D |
| 22:30.30 | End | some days, yes |
| 22:30.30 | Syzgyn | week long games FTW |
| 22:30.35 | batrick | old school av was so fun for fire mages |
| 22:30.35 | Syzgyn | 4 hour Queues FTL |
| 22:30.37 | End | back then...it was EPIC |
| 22:30.51 | Shirik | this is so not fair! |
| 22:30.55 | Shirik | I got 4th in healing last night |
| 22:30.58 | Syzgyn | People used to leave raids cuz AV had popped |
| 22:31.01 | Shirik | know by how much? 200 healing done! |
| 22:31.21 | Shirik | omfg I had a 59% overheal last night |
| 22:31.29 | kd3 | geez |
| 22:31.36 | Gnarfoz | I wonder, actually, how are you supposed to gain reputation with WSG and AB nowadays... can't turn in badges anymore :\ |
| 22:31.45 | Syzgyn | do the BG's |
| 22:31.54 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: nevermind overheal as long as you're not going OOM ^^ |
| 22:32.04 | Shirik | I have over 900 mp5 |
| 22:32.07 | Shirik | I never go OOM ^_^ |
| 22:32.17 | Gnarfoz | Syzgyn: yeah, that's like... well SLOW^5 |
| 22:32.54 | Syzgyn | no one said it'd be fast :P |
| 22:33.09 | End | I don't think they expect anyone to really gain rep |
| 22:33.35 | End | the only point of gaiing rep is for the sake of having rep and the title |
| 22:33.46 | Syzgyn | Right, for us rep whores |
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| 22:35.10 | JoshBorke | anybody here use irssi? |
| 22:35.38 | Shirik | irssi is evil |
| 22:35.41 | Shirik | on that note, kd3 uses it |
| 22:35.50 | Gnarfoz | < irssi+irssiproxy |
| 22:35.51 | Shirik | no he doesnt |
| 22:35.52 | Shirik | I lied |
| 22:35.54 | Weye1 | irssi is victorious |
| 22:36.03 | Weye1 | destroyer of worlds! |
| 22:36.06 | Gnarfoz | (actually using X-Chat here, but there's irssi somewhere along the way to the ircd ^^) |
| 22:36.10 | Syzgyn | oh |
| 22:36.18 | Gnarfoz | End: yeah, needs moar Conqueror :| |
| 22:36.27 | kd3 | no. I use xchat |
| 22:36.35 | kd3 | I think my irssi profile's still set up, though |
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| 22:37.04 | Shirik | kd3 uses xchat on linux kernel 2.6.24, using fedora 64 bit symmetric multi-processing 1.6GHz |
| 22:37.13 | Shirik | that is the longest version reply I have ever seen |
| 22:37.15 | JoshBorke | that's fabulous |
| 22:37.19 | Shirik | wtf |
| 22:37.24 | kd3 | whuh? |
| 22:37.25 | Shirik | That is so much more than information about version |
| 22:37.33 | Shirik | (18:35:31) - [CTCP VERSION reply from kd3]: xchat 2.8.4 Linux 2.6.24.4-64.fc8 [x86_64/1.60GHz/SMP] |
| 22:38.10 | kd3 | heh, surprised it says 1.6... cpufreq rarely lets it down that low... it's usually pegged at 2.4 most of the time |
| 22:38.24 | Shirik | is that because its overclocked? |
| 22:38.30 | Shirik | it probably uses the CPUID |
| 22:38.31 | kd3 | nope. 2.4's factory |
| 22:38.33 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:38.35 | Shirik | wierd then |
| 22:38.53 | batrick | irssi is > * |
| 22:39.02 | batrick | be gone heathen |
| 22:39.16 | mikma | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ <3 |
| 22:39.19 | mikma | :D |
| 22:39.36 | Shirik | --> irssi = setmetatable({}, {__lt = function() return true; end, __gt = function() return false; end, __metatable = [[GTFO]]}); |
| 22:39.49 | batrick | --> irssi = nil |
| 22:39.51 | batrick | sup! |
| 22:39.53 | Shirik | :< |
| 22:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It's okay |
| 22:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik uses mIRC |
| 22:40.27 | batrick | mirc is for fgt script kiddies |
| 22:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | His opinion doesn't count for -anything- because of it |
| 22:40.33 | batrick | ^ |
| 22:40.49 | JoshBorke | ouch |
| 22:40.50 | JoshBorke | that's rough |
| 22:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. So is mIRC. |
| 22:41.00 | mikma | hah |
| 22:41.27 | Shirik | --> local irssi = setmetatable({}, {__lt = function() return true; end, __gt = function() return false; end, __metatable = [[GTFO]]}); setfenv({}, {__index = function(t,k,v) if k == [[irssi]] then return irssi; end end, __newindex = function(t,k,v) if k==[[irssi]] then error[[GTFO]] else rawset(t,k,v) end end}); |
| 22:41.27 | batbot | Shirik: @ ./sandbox.lua:333: bad argument #1 to 'setfenv' (number expected, got table) |
| 22:41.44 | Shirik | --> local irssi = setmetatable({}, {__lt = function() return true; end, __gt = function() return false; end, __metatable = [[GTFO]]}); setfenv(0, setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k,v) if k == [[irssi]] then return irssi; end end, __newindex = function(t,k,v) if k==[[irssi]] then error[[GTFO]] else rawset(t,k,v) end end})); |
| 22:41.48 | batrick | shirik fails |
| 22:41.56 | Shirik | --> irssi > [[*]] |
| 22:41.56 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return irssi > [[*]]"]:1: attempt to compare string with nil |
| 22:41.59 | Shirik | bah |
| 22:42.01 | Shirik | I give up |
| 22:42.12 | batrick | you used local irssi llul |
| 22:42.20 | Shirik | setfenv |
| 22:42.30 | Shirik | oh I guess that wouldnt persist |
| 22:42.45 | batrick | yes |
| 22:43.15 | batrick | one of the benefits of each script being a coroutine =) |
| 22:43.32 | kd3 | geez... what a lopsided day at the masters today. |
| 22:45.01 | Sixen | Heh. |
| 22:45.03 | Guillotine | I use IRC by telnetting to port 6667 |
| 22:45.05 | Guillotine | do I win? |
| 22:45.10 | Sixen | I use Trillian. I win. |
| 22:45.15 | Shirik | I used to do that, but people got mad at me because I used backspace too much |
| 22:45.19 | Sixen | Then again, I made my own IRC client. |
| 22:45.19 | Shirik | and telnet doesnt handle backspace correctly :P |
| 22:45.25 | Sixen | Lawl. |
| 22:45.32 | Shirik | so people would get little squares |
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| 22:45.53 | batrick | answering pings in telnet on some irc servers is impossible |
| 22:45.53 | Sixen | What am I doing here? o_O |
| 22:45.58 | Shirik | and yes, I typo a lot >< Its gotten to the point that my hands automatically hit backspace because I can feel the error |
| 22:45.59 | batrick | they give you a 5 second reply time |
| 22:46.10 | Sixen | Where'd the wowi-lounge go? :( |
| 22:46.15 | Shirik | batrick: I think freenode gives you something like 120 seconds |
| 22:46.16 | stew_a | #wowuidev |
| 22:46.17 | Shirik | Sixen: here :P |
| 22:46.20 | Sixen | I'm so confused! |
| 22:46.28 | Guillotine | Sixen: its being searched by the FBI |
| 22:46.29 | batrick | gamesurge gives you 5 seconds |
| 22:46.35 | Sixen | Lawl. |
| 22:46.36 | batrick | and you have to answer witht he ping number given to you |
| 22:46.36 | Shirik | #wowi-lounge #WoWUIDev Forwarding to another channel |
| 22:46.41 | batrick | so it's pretty much impossible |
| 22:46.42 | Sixen | I was like, what the hell am I doing here? |
| 22:47.11 | Cairenn | Sixen: ^^ topic |
| 22:47.14 | Guillotine | we kidnapped you |
| 22:47.31 | Sixen | :( |
| 22:47.35 | Sixen | I did get kidnappped. |
| 22:47.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|Telnet (n=Shirik|T@163.121.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 22:47.42 | Cairenn | some felt that the other name wasn't inclusive |
| 22:47.46 | Guillotine | btw, Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4 |
| 22:47.47 | Sixen | I went to sleep in #wowi-lounge and woke up in #wowuidev. |
| 22:47.53 | Sixen | Makes sense, Cairenn. |
| 22:48.04 | Sixen | WoWi-Lounge was just the UI IRC pretty much, :P. |
| 22:48.05 | Shirik|Telnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.09 | Sixen | Rofl. |
| 22:48.11 | Guillotine | ooo, dominoes! |
| 22:48.13 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/221205628dd49eb566ed5802a58107f2.png |
| 22:48.13 | cladhaire | tee |
| 22:48.16 | Cairenn | it still is |
| 22:48.22 | cladhaire | i remember writing the two examples for that chapter |
| 22:48.26 | Sixen | =P |
| 22:48.33 | cladhaire | Boing! Boing! |
| 22:48.36 | cladhaire | what was i smoking! |
| 22:49.05 | foxlit | psst |
| 22:49.11 | Shirik | Boing Boing! |
| 22:49.12 | foxlit | What about the OrAscend part? |
| 22:49.14 | Shirik | Im so running that script right now |
| 22:49.17 | cladhaire | -- Hook GameTooltip:SetAction() to display how many spell casts you can make |
| 22:49.20 | cladhaire | that was the other one |
| 22:49.49 | cladhaire | i bet my pattern isn't properly localized |
| 22:50.11 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e67144e81cb1582eaa061034f631c5e4.png |
| 22:50.13 | Guillotine | I made the "BouncersAnonymous" addon that did just about exactly that to show secure funcs. It also played a cartoon bouncy sound :D |
| 22:50.21 | cladhaire | Guillotine: hehe |
| 22:50.25 | cladhaire | i had so much fun writing this book |
| 22:50.30 | cladhaire | having to come up with ridiculous examples like that |
| 22:50.38 | Shirik | Im going to leave this script running to see just how frequently I jump |
| 22:50.41 | Shirik | I think I do it too much |
| 22:50.49 | cladhaire | the "Exercises" at the end of each chapter got cut but we're gonna put them on the website |
| 22:51.03 | cladhaire | basically challenges for the end of each of the chapters |
| 22:51.04 | cladhaire | so |
| 22:51.16 | cladhaire | i dont think I'll even have a copy when the book comes out since I'm over here. |
| 22:51.47 | JoshBorke | i'll mail you one clad |
| 22:51.56 | JoshBorke | i still expect to buy a copy and get it signed by all the authors |
| 22:51.56 | cladhaire | i'm thinking of asking my parents to overnight me one |
| 22:51.59 | cladhaire | seriously |
| 22:52.09 | cladhaire | i could print out the PDFs |
| 22:52.10 | cladhaire | but. |
| 22:52.11 | cladhaire | blegh |
| 22:52.14 | JoshBorke | blegh to that |
| 22:52.17 | JoshBorke | it won't be bound |
| 22:52.32 | JoshBorke | will there be an 'online' version of the book available? |
| 22:52.42 | cladhaire | of the API reference, yes |
| 22:52.42 | JoshBorke | or i guess the website will have an up to date section on the api available, no? |
| 22:52.48 | cladhaire | i dont think they intend to eBook it tho |
| 22:52.57 | mikma | is the book out? |
| 22:53.03 | cladhaire | not yet |
| 22:53.07 | mikma | when? |
| 22:53.21 | cladhaire | the website will have the .toc, some info on each chapters, the exercises and other downloadable materials (so you dont have to type the code in if you dont want to) |
| 22:53.25 | cladhaire | and then the api section |
| 22:53.38 | cladhaire | Mikk: May 5th in the U.S. i guess? |
| 22:53.44 | mikma | cladhaireaddons.com |
| 22:53.50 | cladhaire | uhh no |
| 22:53.57 | cladhaire | wouldn't be hard for someone to find the url |
| 22:54.02 | cladhaire | but there's nothing up there yet. |
| 22:54.29 | Guillotine | is it going to come out on Audiobooks? "dashdash get the player's current mana new line local mana equals capital u nit capital m ana open parenthesis quote player end quote close parenthesis" |
| 22:54.36 | cladhaire | hahahaha |
| 22:54.38 | cladhaire | we could arrange it |
| 22:54.42 | cladhaire | i could release it as an addon |
| 22:54.47 | cladhaire | so everytime you get on a flight path |
| 22:54.51 | cladhaire | it TTS reads the book to you |
| 22:54.56 | mikma | oh! |
| 22:54.59 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 22:55.04 | mikma | force-teaching |
| 22:57.49 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. You don't have to change your login script, /join #wowi-lounge will still work, it'll just auto-forward you to here | "dashdash get the player's current mana new line local mana equals capital u nit capital m ana open parenthesis quote player end quote close parenthesis" ~Guillotine |
| 22:58.02 | JoshBorke | seriously |
| 22:58.08 | JoshBorke | wtf are you doing shirik? |
| 22:59.13 | JoshBorke | -- get the player's current mana |
| 22:59.25 | JoshBorke | local mana = UnitMana("player") |
| 23:00.04 | Guillotine | I hate IRC. Have you ever tried to work on physics while having IRC here with interesting conversations? Yah, it doesn't work :( |
| 23:00.22 | Corrodias | wow, proactiv has a new advertisement with some "skater" dweeb |
| 23:00.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Saeris (n=Miranda@dsl-240-122.dynamic-dsl.frii.net) |
| 23:01.11 | Corrodias | it's like they pulled somebody right out of some low budget public school |
| 23:01.50 | clad|sleep | that's what we call "marketing" :P |
| 23:01.50 | Corrodias | where he purchased his drugs from the teachers |
| 23:02.29 | Saeris | Anyone have a stable sort I could borrow? |
| 23:02.42 | clad|sleep | function (a,b) return a < b end |
| 23:02.54 | foxlit | spaghetti sort! |
| 23:03.01 | Guillotine | Saeris: Borrow? As in you'll be returning it tomorrow? |
| 23:03.21 | foxlit | in triplicate, np |
| 23:03.42 | Shirik | bubble sort! |
| 23:03.46 | Shirik | O(n^2) ftw |
| 23:03.59 | Shirik | Added complexity = better |
| 23:04.34 | foxlit | bugs me, though |
| 23:04.51 | Shirik | bubble sort is only 3 lines in pseudocode.... its obviously very efficient |
| 23:04.51 | foxlit | Worst case is awful, but what's the average run time? |
| 23:05.00 | Shirik | what, bubble sort? |
| 23:05.04 | foxlit | yes |
| 23:05.13 | Shirik | assuming the swap operation takes no time, its consistent |
| 23:05.29 | Shirik | but it isnt |
| 23:05.52 | Shirik | lets see if we can time this |
| 23:06.18 | foxlit | Your last four messages are suffixed with (incompatible encoding) by my client :( |
| 23:06.23 | Shirik | :< |
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| 23:06.39 | Shirik | let me turn off UTF-8 temporarily |
| 23:06.56 | Shirik | is that better? |
| 23:07.08 | foxlit | I'm guessing freenode chops it, because it is actually set to read utf8 |
| 23:07.11 | foxlit | Yes, so far |
| 23:07.17 | foxlit | Try repeating Shirik: assuming the swap operation takes no time, itâs consistent incompatible encoding |
| 23:07.38 | Shirik | that was it |
| 23:07.40 | Shirik | it's a consistent time |
| 23:07.54 | Saeris | Well, I tried adapting http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/computersciencetheory/merge.html but it keeps going out of bounds. I'm sure I could fix it eventually, but if one of you already has a working stable sort in Lua, no reason for me to duplicate the effort. |
| 23:07.56 | Shirik | precisely O(n^2) |
| 23:08.03 | Shirik | But it isn't |
| 23:08.13 | foxlit | O(n^2) is the upper bound on time taken |
| 23:08.23 | Shirik | mm, not really |
| 23:08.23 | foxlit | That's not quite what I wanted to know |
| 23:08.33 | Shirik | because it must do n^2 iterations |
| 23:08.36 | Shirik | always |
| 23:08.42 | Shirik | no matter what the contents are |
| 23:09.18 | foxlit | It may end up in sorted state earlier |
| 23:09.34 | foxlit | In which case you can terminate sort earlier |
| 23:09.51 | foxlit | since no swaps performed during a single iteration == done |
| 23:09.55 | clad|sleep | heap sort imo! |
| 23:10.55 | Shirik | foxlit: But a raw bubble sort doesn't do that check ;) |
| 23:10.59 | Shirik | surely there's a lot of optimizations you can add |
| 23:11.34 | Shirik | I like random sort |
| 23:11.45 | Shirik | throw stuff wherever you want and see if it's sorted. If not try again |
| 23:11.53 | Shirik | its best-case time is O(n) |
| 23:12.06 | Shirik | and only because of the write to memory |
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| 23:14.19 | foxlit | Still have to check if it's actually sorted |
| 23:14.38 | batrick | the check wouldn't affect the asymptotic behavior |
| 23:14.52 | foxlit | but it would affect "and only because of the write to memory" |
| 23:15.08 | Guillotine | or the "Trust in my luck sort". Use it as it is and hope that by some twist of fate its already sorted. O(1) at worst case! |
| 23:16.10 | JoshBorke | what is wrong with table.sort in lua? |
| 23:16.19 | batrick | nothing |
| 23:16.57 | JoshBorke | just curious why you'd need to replace it |
| 23:17.10 | foxlit | --> t = {10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5,4,3,2,1}; table.sort(t, function(a, b) print (a .. "?" .. b); return a < b; end); |
| 23:17.10 | batbot | foxlit: 1?106?110?69?66?38?66?47?66?52?67?66?210?89?810?97?99?99?77?82?14?12?43?22?52?32?14?53?4 |
| 23:17.12 | Sixen | Afk. |
| 23:17.16 | batrick | earlier i was trying to get it to stack overflow in C but it is really not possible |
| 23:17.25 | foxlit | --> t = {10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5,4,3,2,1}; table.sort(t, function(a, b) print (a .. "?" .. b.. " || "); return a < b; end); |
| 23:17.25 | batbot | foxlit: 1?10 || 6?1 || 10?6 || 9?6 || 6?3 || 8?6 || 6?4 || 7?6 || 6?5 || 2?6 || 7?6 || 6?2 || 10?8 || 9?8 || 10?9 || 7?9 || 9?9 || 9?7 || 7?8 || 2?1 || 4?1 || 2?4 || 3?2 || 2?5 || 2?3 || 2?1 || 4?5 || 3?4 || |
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| 23:17.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
| 23:17.39 | Shirik | wtf |
| 23:17.41 | Shirik | pandora is so wierd |
| 23:17.51 | kd3 | lmao... circuit city's circular apparently showcases a jailbroken iTouch |
| 23:17.59 | Shirik | I put on Rammstein radio, and I get irish music an hour later |
| 23:18.03 | kd3 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/13/weekend-circulars-show-jailbroken-ipod-touch-with-installer-on-b/ |
| 23:19.03 | JoshBorke | you know |
| 23:19.13 | JoshBorke | i have no idea what it is talking about |
| 23:19.20 | JoshBorke | i don't know what the icons look like |
| 23:19.28 | JoshBorke | and neither will 99% of the populace who sees the ad |
| 23:22.52 | wereHamster | so, I opened trac for the public. Now there is an account that can be used to create tickets. Also updated the main wiki page on how the whole process of submitting tickets works |
| 23:26.47 | Shirik | [#] 19:25:57 [W From] <Crazychaos>: u a haeelr |
| 23:26.51 | Shirik | how do you reply to that... |
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| 23:32.14 | End | no, I'm a heewa |
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| 23:33.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a hyena. do you have fresh carrion? |
| 23:34.21 | Iriel | Mm... carrion |
| 23:41.43 | ckknight | I did it for the lulz |
| 23:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | Meanie. |
| 23:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: seriously? Dynamic bindigns let info out of the client in an abusable manner? o_0 |
| 23:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | *bindings |
| 23:47.58 | kd3 | wth? |
| 23:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=44D9CAF43144F854122F198BFFE0B305?topicId=5784275032&sid=1#13 |
| 23:49.15 | JoshBorke | that's a whole lot of nothing to see here yet |
| 23:50.23 | Corrodias | hmmm? |
| 23:50.35 | Corrodias | "leaking info out of the client" has never been a major issue, has it? |
| 23:50.48 | JoshBorke | in realtime? yes |
| 23:50.58 | Corrodias | i suppose, modifying the clipboard requires user interaction |
| 23:51.21 | JoshBorke | aw, my request for server date didn't make the list |
| 23:51.51 | Corrodias | i'd rather have a request for a date with your mother |
| 23:52.15 | JoshBorke | why? she's 55 |
| 23:52.36 | Corrodias | exactly |
| 23:55.43 | kd3 | what's the point of "[key] as a synonym for [modifier]"? didn't we already get [mod]? |
| 23:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | We did |
| 23:56.13 | Shirik | ok so |
| 23:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I really think that cog just copied and pasted the old thread ;) |
| 23:56.20 | Shirik | Someone help me translate this gmotd please |
| 23:56.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing wrong wih that but hey |
| 23:56.51 | Shirik | S - D, M - Pro ZA, T - MH, W - BT, TH - MH, Sat - Kara |
| 23:56.54 | Shirik | Wtf is "S - D" |
| 23:57.18 | kd3 | sunday... down? |
| 23:57.29 | kd3 | or dungeons? |
| 23:57.35 | Shirik | I asked the raid leaders and all they said was "TBD = To Be Determined" |
| 23:57.35 | Lopeppeppy | Deadmines |
| 23:57.41 | Shirik | So I'm like "... D = Determined?" |
| 23:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | What's "pro" ZA? Like, timer-mode-must-be-uber? |
| 23:58.18 | Syzgyn | 3 chests +? |
| 23:58.20 | Shirik | kinda |
| 23:58.23 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. |
| 23:58.36 | Syzgyn | what class do you play shirik? |
| 23:58.47 | Guillotine | Search & Destroy, Milligram of prozac (the missing c is a typo), Too much hate, wants to buy (another typo), The main-hander, and on saturday you're doing karazhan |
| 23:59.05 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 23:59.12 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 23:59.16 | Syzgyn | also, why do you still schedule kara if you're in BT? |
| 23:59.22 | Shirik | - [notice from WoWLuaircBot]: Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 7181 HP; 9900 Mana; 620 mana regen; 225 mp5; 630 +spell dmg; 1703 +heal; 5.66% dodge; 23 resilience;[[ TBR: 979 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sun Apr 13 16:01:13 2008 EST ]] |
| 23:59.25 | Guillotine | badges = fun |
| 23:59.27 | Syzgyn | booooo horde |
| 23:59.27 | Shirik | I think for badges |
| 23:59.38 | Syzgyn | we still run it, but its allways pretty random |
| 23:59.50 | Syzgyn | someone says 'lets do kara!' and we do kara |
| 23:59.55 | Guillotine | I wish my guild had a day for it for alts. We just do it randomly |
