| 00:14.30 | todd` | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetChannelList <- the last update was December 2006, does anyone know anything about the note about it not returning all channels? |
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| 00:19.42 | Kirov | todd` - In the past it wouldn't return several wow specific channels (trade, local defense, etc.) |
| 00:19.48 | Kirov | I don't know about now. |
| 00:20.12 | Kirov | Since SendAddonMessage I haven't cared. |
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| 00:28.20 | Kraki | can anyone tell me what files chat colors and channels are saved in? |
| 00:29.05 | Shirik | files? |
| 00:29.24 | NightHawkAtWork | I bet a cursory look into your wtf directory would be educating. |
| 00:29.36 | Shirik | Oh I see what he means |
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| 00:34.14 | Shirik | pop quiz: What are possible causes of Windows reporting access is denied when trying to delete a file from your UI |
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| 00:34.55 | Kirov | Shirik - You have a file in the directory opened in an editor, or had it open and it was not properly released by said program |
| 00:35.14 | Shirik | that wont be it, its happening to every addon |
| 00:35.35 | Shirik | and Im going to assume hes not stupid and has every one of them open |
| 00:35.37 | MentalPower | Vista |
| 00:35.41 | Shirik | hes on XP SP2 |
| 00:35.45 | MentalPower | UAC |
| 00:35.48 | MentalPower | hmm... |
| 00:36.09 | todd` | I'm hooking SendChatMessage and want to replace some text on non-server channels, and I'm wondering if there's a more efficient way than what I have planned: |
| 00:36.12 | todd` | use the channel variable to look for a match in GetChannelList() to find the channel name, look through EnumerateServerChannels() to see if the channel name is in there |
| 00:36.38 | MentalPower | Shirik: err... check open handles? |
| 00:36.44 | MentalPower | I have no clue TBH |
| 00:36.56 | Shirik | Its not me so I really dont have a good way of checking that |
| 00:37.04 | Shirik | I cant think of anything else |
| 00:37.06 | MentalPower | restart |
| 00:37.11 | Kirov | Shirik - is he trying to delete them by clicking on the folder (so it's open in his view) then deleting? |
| 00:37.18 | Shirik | hes using my updater |
| 00:37.19 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal_admin.php?id=294&a=viewbugreport&bugid=4432 |
| 00:37.43 | MentalPower | "You are not the owner,team member or an admin of this portal." |
| 00:38.51 | Shirik | oops |
| 00:39.24 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=294&a=viewbug&bugid=4432 |
| 00:39.43 | Shirik | the lines starting with !!! are of note |
| 00:39.50 | Shirik | !!! 2008-03-11_16-40-27-420> Terminating thread 'AUP-Omen Threat Meter': Unspecified I/O Error |
| 00:39.50 | Shirik | java.io.IOException: Access is denied |
| 00:39.50 | Shirik | at java.io.WinNTFileSystem.createFileExclusively(Native Method) |
| 00:39.52 | Shirik | stuff like that |
| 00:40.06 | Shirik | (CreateFile is a misnomer - thats how you open a file as well) |
| 00:40.17 | Shirik | actually it may be creating it too |
| 00:40.20 | Shirik | I need to check the code |
| 00:40.49 | MentalPower | Shirik: person might not have perms for the folder |
| 00:40.58 | MentalPower | lemme read the thread |
| 00:41.22 | Kirov | I have windows XP with SP2, I have full admin privileges, and WoW path is C:\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns now I can manually install add-ons, and I do not have file securities turned on so when the UI Manager is ran it should be ran with the same permissions. |
| 00:41.52 | Kirov | Makes me wonder if it's his Java |
| 00:42.11 | Shirik | wait a sec, how is he updating Omen |
| 00:42.15 | Shirik | we dont even have that on wowi |
| 00:42.27 | dylanm | Omen is on wowi. |
| 00:42.29 | Shirik | !!! |
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| 00:45.47 | Kirov | can you check frame.unit on a secure unit frame? |
| 00:46.23 | Yssaril | Kirov, dont see why not is just a variable |
| 00:46.23 | Shirik | frame:GetAttributeunit ? |
| 00:46.50 | Kirov | Shirik wins |
| 00:48.35 | Shirik | the answer is yes |
| 00:48.38 | Shirik | but you shouldnt |
| 00:48.46 | Shirik | high coupling is always bad |
| 00:50.12 | Shirik | heh, Ace is boring |
| 00:50.15 | Shirik | I did /print _G |
| 00:50.19 | Shirik | and all it gave me was _G |
| 00:50.50 | Cide | that's why you use DevTools' /dump |
| 00:51.19 | Shirik | Devtools gave me Skipped 32476 |
| 00:51.21 | Shirik | much less boring |
| 00:52.35 | Yssaril | didn't ace2 come with a /dump also? |
| 00:52.53 | Tem | for no good reason, yes |
| 00:53.10 | Yssaril | hehe i find it usefull :P |
| 00:53.12 | MentalPower | same with Ace3Console |
| 00:53.54 | Shirik | Yssaril: Do you have devtools? |
| 00:54.00 | Tem | devtools > * |
| 00:54.18 | Shirik | tsk tsk, Tem, this is Lua. There is no * |
| 00:54.22 | Yssaril | have it yes have it no enabled also no :P |
| 00:54.32 | Shirik | setmetatable(DevTools, {__gt = function() return true; end}); |
| 00:54.45 | Cide | ... |
| 00:55.25 | Shirik | :( Cide |
| 01:04.25 | Shirik | [#] 21:03:20 [2] <70:Kimina>: Calling a mac "unix" is like calling a PT Cruiser a van |
| 01:04.46 | Shirik | sorry clad|office! |
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| 01:13.38 | NightHawkAtWork | wait, that implies pt cruisers are stylish, attractive, and useful.. none of which is actually true |
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| 01:46.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: "potentially thousands" ? |
| 01:46.37 | Iriel | potentially thousands of what? Chickens? |
| 01:46.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Tables per frame |
| 01:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/WowAce/trunk/Omen |
| 01:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Well not per frame, but all told |
| 01:48.07 | Iriel | If Omen:UpdateDisplay isn't throttled down to zero-or-one-calls-per-frame I could see that |
| 01:48.20 | Yssaril | recycler that always returned a new table but stored old once? |
| 01:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh I just read the comment |
| 01:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.02 | Yssaril | ouch |
| 01:49.23 | Iriel | am I blind or does it never set backdropFrames[f]? |
| 01:49.26 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Any time the user changed a config option, that's run |
| 01:49.46 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Including when they drag a color wheel cursor |
| 01:49.53 | Iriel | because at present it appears to be no better than the original |
| 01:50.05 | Antiarc | Iriel: Doh |
| 01:50.14 | Antiarc | That's what I get for committing in the wee hours of the morning :P |
| 01:50.22 | Iriel | Can't you just create the table once outside of the loop? |
| 01:50.29 | Iriel | And then just repopulate it for each frame? |
| 01:50.58 | Iriel | The funny think is the warning is valid |
| 01:51.03 | Antiarc | I wasn't sure if the table values were copied |
| 01:51.09 | Iriel | even though I think you meant the warning against the OLD implementation |
| 01:51.09 | Antiarc | Or if the table was directly used |
| 01:51.24 | Antiarc | Heh, yes, the warning was a note for myself :P |
| 01:51.31 | Antiarc | So I didn't want to change the table for one frame and have it change for the others as well |
| 01:51.31 | Iriel | Well, even if it was, wouldn't it be better keying the table with [frame] instead of [f] ? |
| 01:52.04 | Antiarc | Eh, shouldn't really matter, I'd think |
| 01:52.15 | Antiarc | Just need a unique value for the key, yes? |
| 01:52.52 | Iriel | yeah, but if you're doing that to make sure you dont break some other frame's key, the frame seemed like a more logical key than whatever f is |
| 01:52.58 | Iriel | though TBH it shouldn't really matter |
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| 01:53.08 | Iriel | I dont think the table is used once the call to SetBackdrop returns |
| 01:53.21 | Iriel | I think it's just a means to provide complex structure to an API call |
| 01:53.22 | Antiarc | I'll try using a static table, see if that fixes it |
| 01:53.24 | Antiarc | Hm, okay. |
| 01:54.24 | Fix[EJ] | So...I've been thinking, now that its pretty much given that theres a small "spell queue"...do casting bars really need latency timers / safe zones anymore? |
| 01:55.31 | MentalPower | there is no spell queue |
| 01:55.58 | MentalPower | just that the client allows sending of spells even when they're on cooldown or still casting a previous one |
| 01:57.17 | Fix[EJ] | Well yes, but thats essential a spell queue if you're fast enough at tapping :P |
| 01:58.51 | Iriel | a queue would imply it remembered all of the intermediates |
| 01:58.53 | Iriel | which it doesnt |
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| 02:10.30 | cogwheel | neat. vista blocked some adware for me... |
| 02:11.18 | cogwheel | (probably the most exciting thing that's happened today ... ) |
| 02:11.37 | Iriel | Wow, that's some day |
| 02:12.44 | Shirik | cogwheel: lol |
| 02:13.01 | Shirik | on that note I do have to say vista has caught me doing something stupid not too long ago |
| 02:13.41 | Shirik | I was disassembling some malware and accidentally ran it >.> it thought it installed itself, but it was actually just sitting in defenders approval queue |
| 02:15.19 | Iriel | I had to change my password today |
| 02:15.28 | Iriel | so i'm doomed to a few days of having to keep remembering it |
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| 02:17.35 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 02:17.39 | Shirik | my class bar is missing from bongos |
| 02:17.51 | Iriel | You have no class! |
| 02:17.57 | Shirik | :< |
| 02:18.42 | Shirik | oh wait there it is |
| 02:18.45 | Shirik | its just about 2px wide |
| 02:18.57 | Shirik | see, I have class. Just not a lot of it. |
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| 02:34.06 | Cairenn | Ëuo Êou ɯoÉ¹É sÄ±É¥Ê Æuısn ÇpoÉ plnoÉ¥s ÇuoÊɹÇÊÇ ÊuÄ±É¥Ê Ä± |
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| 02:35.14 | MentalPower | evil evil Cairenn |
| 02:35.32 | Cairenn | ¡ooÊ noÊ ÇÊol ı |
| 02:36.19 | MentalPower | I think Cairenn needs a vacation |
| 02:36.54 | Cairenn | ¿oÉıɹ oÊɹnÇd uı noÊ ÊısÄ±Ê ÇɯoÉ Ä± uÉÉ 'É¥ooooo |
| 02:37.14 | MentalPower | sure |
| 02:38.08 | MentalPower | there are some psyns in wowace's SVN too |
| 02:38.40 | MentalPower | yes, that was random |
| 02:39.24 | enum | yo, when running GetTrainerServiceLevelReq() if you already know the service, it shows as 0. Is there a way around this? |
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| 02:54.35 | Corrodias | i need a pair of cat leashes/harnesses |
| 02:54.38 | Corrodias | so i can take my kitties out walking |
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| 03:04.16 | Shirik | ?s?? ? si si?? |
| 03:04.18 | Shirik | :< |
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| 03:10.12 | Shirik | lua> print("\239\187\191\202\135\115\199\157\202\135\32\201\144\32\115\196\177\32\115\196\177\201\165\202\135") |
| 03:10.12 | lua_bot | Shirik: ÊsÇÊ É sı sÄ±É¥Ê |
| 03:10.15 | Shirik | yay |
| 03:21.40 | ckknight | Shirik: wtf? |
| 03:21.50 | ckknight | how'd you accomplish that? |
| 03:22.12 | Shirik | http://www.revfad.com/flip.html |
| 03:22.47 | Shirik | then I put it into notepad, read out the bytecode, generated the string. But most clients should just be able to copy-paste into their client |
| 03:22.49 | Shirik | my clients just stupid |
| 03:22.59 | Shirik | s/bytecode/hex bytes/ |
| 03:25.03 | Guillotine | also, your client can't do apostrophes |
| 03:25.09 | Shirik | I know >< |
| 03:26.51 | Mike-N-Go | I am trying to find the name of a frame is. |
| 03:26.53 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.25 | Mike-N-Go | Is what I have. |
| 03:27.43 | Mike-N-Go | It does not work, tho. |
| 03:28.27 | ckknight | Mike-N-Go: the frame's anonymous, then |
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| 03:34.29 | MentalPower | Mike-N-Go: or it does not receive mouse commands |
| 03:36.06 | Mike-N-Go | Or my UI is messed up.. |
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| 03:41.56 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, restarted WoW, UI was messed up. |
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| 03:45.02 | Seerah | Does anyone know how to rename tabs in the guild bank? (like to Armor, Consumables, etc) |
| 03:45.18 | AlexanderYoshi | right click maybe? |
| 03:45.46 | Seerah | I tried to right-click on the tab, all it does is switch to that tab |
| 03:45.49 | Corrodias | do a barrel roll |
| 03:45.54 | Seerah | looking on wowwiki, too |
| 03:46.43 | AlexanderYoshi | are you the guild master |
| 03:46.44 | AlexanderYoshi | ? |
| 03:47.50 | Seerah | No, but he said that I should have the permission to change it |
| 03:47.51 | kergoth | hrm, too many options with the n52, i cant decide how to set the damn thing up |
| 03:48.46 | AlexanderYoshi | hmm |
| 03:48.55 | AlexanderYoshi | man |
| 03:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | kergoth: what class? |
| 03:49.06 | AlexanderYoshi | what do I do once I've hit AddOn development ennui? |
| 03:49.26 | Seerah | AlexanderYoshi: wow main site makes it sound like only GM can change icon and name |
| 03:49.38 | AlexanderYoshi | that sounds correct to me |
| 03:49.48 | AlexanderYoshi | you'll have to ask him to change it |
| 03:49.57 | Seerah | yeah. thanks guys :) |
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| 03:50.43 | Corrodias | so here's the question. in Spineshank - Tear Me Down, is it "this is a war i can fight; i can't let you tear me down", or is it "can't fight"? |
| 03:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet google knows |
| 03:53.36 | ckknight | AlexanderYoshi: if I beg hard enough, will you give me APIs I request? |
| 03:53.42 | batrick | 19:04:25 <@Shirik> [#] 21:03:20 [2] <70:Kimina>: Calling a mac "unix" is like calling a PT Cruiser a van |
| 03:53.45 | batrick | that should read |
| 03:53.54 | AlexanderYoshi | I don't have th kind of powers you think I do |
| 03:53.58 | batrick | "Calling a mac "unix" is like calling a van a PT Cruiser" |
| 03:54.09 | batrick | sup?! |
| 03:54.27 | AlexanderYoshi | they both drive |
| 03:54.29 | AlexanderYoshi | thats close enough |
| 03:54.34 | batrick | sif |
| 03:54.39 | batrick | wait actually |
| 03:54.41 | ckknight | AlexanderYoshi: all you gotta do is grease a few palms ;-) |
| 03:54.49 | batrick | what shirik said is right |
| 03:54.54 | batrick | pt cruisers get broken into more |
| 03:54.57 | batrick | lol! |
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| 03:55.19 | AlexanderYoshi | no |
| 03:55.25 | AlexanderYoshi | That's not how it works |
| 03:55.30 | AlexanderYoshi | there are people who decide what is valid and what is not |
| 03:55.40 | AlexanderYoshi | and we add API that meet the needs of our UI |
| 03:55.48 | AlexanderYoshi | not just anybody who asks |
| 03:56.11 | ckknight | question, then: what would be the best way to request an API change? |
| 03:56.15 | Corrodias | hey by the way, i'd like a HowDoIBeatThisEnemy function |
| 03:56.25 | Corrodias | and then a SoDoItForMe one |
| 03:56.55 | AlexanderYoshi | Ask on the WoW UI forums |
| 03:57.23 | ckknight | yea, but that's so depressing, there's hardly ever a response to requests |
| 03:57.31 | ckknight | feels so ... fruitless |
| 03:57.37 | AlexanderYoshi | yep |
| 03:57.40 | AlexanderYoshi | but thats the way it works |
| 03:57.52 | AlexanderYoshi | I've seen numerous changes come from single posts without replies |
| 03:57.54 | AlexanderYoshi | that had a good idea |
| 03:58.30 | ckknight | it seems like posts like that just get lost in the woodwork |
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| 03:59.34 | ckknight | I posted my requests on "UI Suggestions - Concise List" |
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| 04:00.46 | Corrodias | okay, wait, what time is it? what the hell is going on with my PC's clock lately? |
| 04:00.56 | ckknight | ~time |
| 04:00.56 | purl | well, time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.04.12 4:00:56 GMT |
| 04:01.26 | Corrodias | why does it think it's 11:00am tomorrow, and meanwhile mIRC is reporting 10:00? |
| 04:01.59 | batrick | because mirc stinks |
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| 04:06.56 | AlexanderYoshi | what forum is that in, ck? |
| 04:07.05 | ckknight | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101150523&sid=1&pageNo=25 |
| 04:07.23 | Antiarc | ATTN: |
| 04:07.27 | Antiarc | Chatter is now officially awesome. |
| 04:07.29 | Antiarc | Go break it please. |
| 04:08.09 | Corrodias | Z coordinates seems unlikely, since we don't even actually get X or Y except by reading the minimap |
| 04:08.22 | Corrodias | but of course i can't speak for the devs |
| 04:08.37 | ckknight | who asked for z coords? |
| 04:09.00 | ckknight | z coords would be interesting |
| 04:09.05 | Corrodias | it's in the second post of the thread |
| 04:09.26 | lagger | whats that word that got censored in your post ck |
| 04:09.38 | ckknight | Ano |
| 04:09.41 | ckknight | wtf is with that? |
| 04:09.45 | ckknight | as in another |
| 04:09.56 | Corrodias | the british form of anal, maybe? |
| 04:10.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: chatter? |
| 04:10.10 | MentalPower | ckknight: we have spanish forums now |
| 04:10.17 | MentalPower | ano == anus in spanish |
| 04:10.21 | ckknight | lousy spaniards |
| 04:10.34 | ckknight | that's bullshit if you ask me, I should be able to say "another" |
| 04:10.38 | Corrodias | yeh, we wen an ad us some ano after watchin the bee bee cey |
| 04:10.40 | MentalPower | granted |
| 04:13.45 | Corrodias | TODAY'S FACT OF THE DAY FACT: Admiral Nelson's spiced rum tastes like shit compared to Captain Morgan Private Stock |
| 04:13.52 | Corrodias | the world is in order. |
| 04:15.16 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: Prat replacement that doesn't eat your framerate alive |
| 04:15.45 | Kirov | TODAY'S FACT OF THE DAY: spiced run taste like shit compared to Hawaiian Punch! |
| 04:15.51 | Kirov | *yay* |
| 04:16.07 | Shirik | MentalPower? |
| 04:16.19 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12738.0 |
| 04:16.21 | Shirik | Ano == anus? |
| 04:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: huh, will look in to it, thanks |
| 04:16.37 | Shirik | Thats amusing since an~o == year |
| 04:16.42 | AlexanderYoshi | Antiarc |
| 04:16.46 | AlexanderYoshi | Thraet |
| 04:16.46 | Shirik | ~x en es year |
| 04:16.48 | AlexanderYoshi | Omen |
| 04:16.48 | AlexanderYoshi | bugs |
| 04:16.50 | AlexanderYoshi | critical |
| 04:16.58 | AlexanderYoshi | lol |
| 04:17.00 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: Most of the big bugs are out! |
| 04:17.02 | MentalPower | Shirik: correct |
| 04:17.03 | Antiarc | I have a few display bugs |
| 04:17.09 | AlexanderYoshi | :-) |
| 04:17.10 | Corrodias | anose |
| 04:17.18 | AlexanderYoshi | I was just saying it for fun |
| 04:17.27 | AlexanderYoshi | Want to checkout an AddOn I'm working on in my free time |
| 04:17.28 | Antiarc | And dropping Prat for Chatter gave me a pretty significant combat FPS boost :) |
| 04:17.31 | AlexanderYoshi | hot |
| 04:17.32 | Antiarc | Sure |
| 04:17.37 | AlexanderYoshi | gmail good? |
| 04:17.43 | Shirik | Antiarc: tbh, my guild is still having a lot of problems |
| 04:17.43 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 04:17.44 | AlexanderYoshi | or can you get files here |
| 04:17.49 | Shirik | is it critical that everyone is using exactly the same version? |
| 04:17.50 | Antiarc | Shirik: They're all up to date? |
| 04:17.53 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: gmail works |
| 04:17.59 | Shirik | like if even one person is out of date, it will die? |
| 04:18.04 | Antiarc | Shirik: They'll all want a very recent version |
| 04:18.08 | Antiarc | Big bugs have been fixed recently |
| 04:18.13 | Antiarc | Like tank threat and ret pally threat |
| 04:18.16 | Shirik | I believe everyone is on a fairly recent version |
| 04:18.17 | Corrodias | they may report incorrect amounts of threat and/or view yours incorrectly |
| 04:18.21 | Shirik | but let us assume someones being an idiot |
| 04:18.22 | Corrodias | but otherwise, no problem. it's just a threat meter. |
| 04:18.25 | Shirik | will it just be broken for them or everyone? |
| 04:18.31 | Antiarc | Shirik: That someone will show up broken for everyone |
| 04:18.37 | Antiarc | Since they report their (broken) threat to the raid |
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| 04:18.43 | Shirik | but not like everyone will see nobody |
| 04:18.50 | Antiarc | Right |
| 04:19.05 | Antiarc | http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot041108050123qk4.jpg <-- Prat fully embedded vs Chatter fully embedded while idling in Stormwind for 15 minutes or so :P |
| 04:19.35 | Gnarfoz | has it got the same feature set? |
| 04:20.14 | Corrodias | so what do prat and chatterbox -do- again? |
| 04:20.57 | Gnarfoz | I guess prat does a lot of chat related things, Chatterbox does some chat related things |
| 04:21.05 | Yssaril | is there anyway to create a new font in lua or does it haver to be defined via xml? |
| 04:21.32 | Gnarfoz | and it's actually Chatter now, wtf, Chatterbox was a better name :D |
| 04:21.48 | Corrodias | oh, sorry |
| 04:22.08 | AlexanderYoshi | ANTIARC: The AddOn has descended from the heavens! |
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| 04:24.33 | Antiarc | Gnarfoz: It was but there was another mod named that |
| 04:24.44 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 04:27.24 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: Interesting concept! |
| 04:28.05 | Antiarc | AlexanderYoshi: I want an inverse mod, which calls people out for being morons |
| 04:28.08 | Antiarc | I think it would get more use! |
| 04:29.04 | AlexanderYoshi | hehe |
| 04:29.11 | AlexanderYoshi | I added support for that too |
| 04:29.16 | AlexanderYoshi | look for CRUSHING |
| 04:29.18 | AlexanderYoshi | in the data |
| 04:29.20 | kergoth | after hours of pondering, i /think/ i finally have a relatively sane setup for my new n52... thats assuming i dont end up hating it after actually using it a while and have to rework it again.. |
| 04:29.29 | kergoth | Antiarc: wow, that cpu usage comparison is impressive |
| 04:30.17 | Antiarc | kergoth: Juuuust a little |
| 04:30.22 | Antiarc | And that was idling! |
| 04:30.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:30.27 | Antiarc | With just trade/general chatter |
| 04:31.24 | AlexanderYoshi | Antiarc |
| 04:31.26 | AlexanderYoshi | you have any ideas |
| 04:31.33 | AlexanderYoshi | for other "accomplishments"? |
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| 04:38.05 | Antiarc | It's hard to say, I think |
| 04:38.12 | Antiarc | Since they're so situational |
| 04:40.55 | AlexanderYoshi | thats what makes the heuristics so interesting to code |
| 04:41.03 | AlexanderYoshi | every single one is a unique problem |
| 04:41.14 | Corrodias | can i have some context please? |
| 04:42.04 | Antiarc | You should add a rogue gouging a cast |
| 04:42.16 | Antiarc | Like the blood siphon thing those orcs do in BT |
| 04:42.25 | Antiarc | It's isn't kickable but you can gouge the mob to interrupt it :) |
| 04:43.06 | Gnarfoz | right, I shuld have probably not logged in with both Prat and Chatter enabled *watches UI disintegrate* |
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| 04:43.58 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: can you actually detect which spell interrupted which spell? (i.e. detect what you are suggesting?) |
| 04:43.59 | Corrodias | lol |
| 04:44.05 | dylanm | Oh are you actually doing that mod Yosh? |
| 04:45.09 | AlexanderYoshi | yeah |
| 04:45.10 | AlexanderYoshi | maybe |
| 04:45.21 | AlexanderYoshi | That's a good suggestion |
| 04:45.28 | AlexanderYoshi | dylanm: yep, its already coded |
| 04:45.33 | AlexanderYoshi | no UI tho |
| 04:45.36 | AlexanderYoshi | just text messages |
| 04:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | What mod? |
| 04:46.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lack of context is confusing |
| 04:46.26 | Gnarfoz | I know what's it about, I know I know I know *giggle* |
| 04:46.29 | dylanm | ScytheBlade1: He wants to make a mod that notes when someone does pro actions in-game. |
| 04:46.34 | dylanm | Like |
| 04:47.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Like if someone crits for 1337 exactly? ;) |
| 04:47.31 | Corrodias | steam-like achievements |
| 04:47.35 | AlexanderYoshi | That's lucky, not pro |
| 04:47.39 | Corrodias | kill 1,000,000 mobs |
| 04:47.47 | dylanm | Well as a priest I'm thinking SW:D out of an incoming crowd control spell. |
| 04:48.00 | Kirov | I had a killing blow the other day that was 1337 |
| 04:48.14 | AlexanderYoshi | ok dylan |
| 04:48.15 | Corrodias | i can't really think of anything impressive in WoW. but i don't pvp. i bet you can think of something there. |
| 04:48.15 | AlexanderYoshi | you win |
| 04:48.21 | AlexanderYoshi | Because you thought of that |
| 04:48.24 | AlexanderYoshi | I'm coding it |
| 04:48.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Steam-style achievements would be entertaining if done right |
| 04:49.02 | dylanm | Haha great. |
| 04:49.11 | dylanm | What else do you have done? |
| 04:49.14 | dylanm | wikiwikiwikiwi |
| 04:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | "Land the killing blow on Archimonde" etc |
| 04:50.08 | enum | if I use the following: local a = 123; local a; would a be "redefined" on the second instance? |
| 04:50.21 | dylanm | There's simple stuff like throwing on a HoT before there's a silence or something. I'm not sure that people should get points for interrupting RoS because they should be doing that shit anyway. |
| 04:52.13 | Corrodias | it's hard to come up with something that takes skill to achieve in WoW and can't be done just by grinding long enough |
| 04:52.21 | Corrodias | and that's also measurable |
| 04:52.41 | Kirov | hmm... chatter = cool, but gives me an Ace3 error |
| 04:53.54 | Corrodias | hunters need a kiting achievement |
| 04:54.14 | Corrodias | hell, most classes could |
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| 04:55.34 | kd3 | damn it... |
| 04:55.52 | kd3 | someone linked tvtropes onine and now I'm doing the standard thing... think I've been reading the site for a few hours now |
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| 04:57.15 | Sixen_ | =o |
| 04:57.17 | Sixen_ | tvtropes? |
| 04:57.20 | Gnarfoz | kd3: at least it's not wikipedia. that cost me 4 hours again today, just because I clicked a damn wikipedia link somewhere. I should blackhole that damn domain :\ |
| 04:57.27 | kd3 | http://tvtropes.org |
| 04:57.37 | kd3 | meh, I'm almost worse on tvtropes than I am on wikipedia |
| 04:57.58 | Sixen_ | lol |
| 04:59.36 | dylanm | Paladin kiting achievement. |
| 05:00.03 | Corrodias | holy crap, yes |
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| 05:13.42 | AlexanderYoshi | I think Hammer of GG kills are 100% achievement fodder |
| 05:20.12 | enum | anyone on my question? |
| 05:20.13 | enum | if I use the following: local a = 123; local a; would a be "redefined" on the second instance? |
| 05:20.41 | dylanm | No. |
| 05:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> local a = 123; local a; print(a); |
| 05:20.42 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: nil |
| 05:20.46 | dylanm | Wait |
| 05:20.46 | dylanm | Yes |
| 05:20.49 | dylanm | Hurray |
| 05:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:21.10 | dylanm | If you did local a=a you'd be good in the hood. |
| 05:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | <Uthette> Let's cyber <Sbo> Careful, I might <Uthette> I...don't know how to respond <Uthette> Well played sir <Sbo> ty |
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| 05:41.31 | batrick | dylanm: not really they'd represent different stack locations |
| 05:41.35 | batrick | or upvalues |
| 05:41.51 | sag_ich_nicht | [07:21] <dylanm> If you did local a=a you'd be good in the hood. <--ahahahahahaha |
| 05:42.15 | cogwheel | haha |
| 05:42.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ~dylanm++ |
| 05:42.21 | Tem | so, I just got home from my buddy's house |
| 05:42.29 | Tem | we had a bbq pit fired up |
| 05:42.30 | cogwheel | sag_ich_nicht: # |
| 05:42.45 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 05:42.49 | Tem | seriously, an $8 steak from winn dixie was the best meal I had all week |
| 05:44.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee for being bored in BT with a bunch of Elixirs of Dream Vision |
| 05:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/instances/25/BlackTemple/TeronGorefiend/3.png |
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| 05:51.21 | batrick | oya |
| 05:51.57 | batrick | someone should probably remove the wildblue ban |
| 05:52.05 | batrick | shirik forgot to remove it |
| 05:52.42 | Shirik | you totally missed the conversation we had earlier :P |
| 05:52.44 | Shirik | thats intentional |
| 05:53.04 | Shirik | cmon, my memory may suck, but I know how to code :P |
| 05:53.07 | Shirik | I set a timer for my bans |
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| 05:56.31 | Wulfus | hi there... is it working as intended, that i get a disconnect when trying to send a message with SendChatMessage() to the trading channel? (perhaps against gold sellers?) and is there a "work-around" for this? |
| 05:57.11 | Tem | if try to send an invalid link, you'll get disconnected |
| 05:57.32 | Wulfus | with "WHSIPER" it works ^^ |
| 05:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Wulfus: what are you sending? |
| 05:58.39 | Wulfus | no item links, just a text "foooo "..somefunction().." baaar" (wich sounds like "foooo 1d 3h 48s baaaaar") |
| 05:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | When you hit anti-gold-spam measures, the message will either appear to go through fine with the URL simply stripped from the message, or the messages simply won't send |
| 05:59.22 | Wulfus | no url included :/ |
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| 06:00.00 | Wulfus | SendChatMessage("== In "..Abacus:FormatDurationFull(timestart,0,0).." beginnt die AV-Stamm mit Drdamage! ==","CHANNEL",nil,2) |
| 06:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That in and of itself shouldn't disconnect you |
| 06:01.23 | Wulfus | what? |
| 06:02.19 | Tem | btw, 7up + whiskey = awesome |
| 06:02.59 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:03.08 | MentalPower | drunk in IRC again Tem? |
| 06:03.15 | Tem | I'm not druint |
| 06:03.16 | Tem | drunk |
| 06:03.21 | End | you sure? |
| 06:03.24 | Tem | lol that looks bad |
| 06:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes it does |
| 06:05.12 | Kirov | Almost looks like you're drunk |
| 06:05.43 | Tem | trust me |
| 06:05.48 | Tem | you'd know if I were drunk |
| 06:08.47 | Tem | weeeeeee |
| 06:08.53 | Tem | http://www.vimeo.com/870974 |
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| 06:14.50 | MentalPower | grr... how the hell do I toggle a button's pushed state again? |
| 06:15.00 | MentalPower | hmm... nm I'll change it to a checkbox |
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| 06:16.34 | cogwheel | ... |
| 06:16.47 | cogwheel | ctrl-F + "pushed" on http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 06:16.52 | cogwheel | :P |
| 06:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:18.32 | MentalPower | yeah, I tried that, no workie |
| 06:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... works fine here |
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| 06:19.22 | MentalPower | ~lart cogwheel |
| 06:19.22 | purl | hits cogwheel with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 06:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:19.48 | todd | I just started writing in lua a few days ago, I was wondering if anyone wouldn't mind taking a look at a piece of my code and explaining if/how I can optimize it? |
| 06:19.55 | MentalPower | well, I'm trying to implement a button that goes click -> pushed, click -> unpushed |
| 06:20.06 | MentalPower | which sounds more like a checkbutton |
| 06:20.10 | MentalPower | todd: pastey |
| 06:20.11 | cogwheel | oh... yeah... make it a checkbutton |
| 06:20.11 | todd | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85584 |
| 06:20.37 | Tem | \iam now uot of alcohol |
| 06:20.40 | MentalPower | cogwheel: a regular button will always return pushed onclick |
| 06:20.40 | Tem | iam now uot of alcohol |
| 06:20.48 | Tem | qq |
| 06:20.57 | End | you appear to have used it up |
| 06:21.00 | cogwheel | that's what the locked parameter is for :P |
| 06:21.59 | MentalPower | cogwheel: I use highlight for something else |
| 06:22.10 | MentalPower | and thats the only texture that has a lock (that I can see) |
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| 06:22.38 | cogwheel | i'm very confused... |
| 06:22.51 | MentalPower | oh locked, nm |
| 06:22.54 | cogwheel | Button:SetButtonState("PUSHED", true) |
| 06:22.58 | MentalPower | yea yeah |
| 06:23.01 | MentalPower | just saw it |
| 06:23.10 | MentalPower | checkbutton is better still |
| 06:24.12 | todd | mentalpower, did you catch that link? |
| 06:24.49 | MentalPower | I did |
| 06:25.14 | MentalPower | todd: I would move the table searches on varargs to actual vararg functions |
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| 06:25.49 | todd | I was under the impression there is a bit of overhead when you do that? |
| 06:27.07 | MentalPower | not any more (I actually think less) than there is now |
| 06:27.24 | MentalPower | ~lart me |
| 06:27.24 | purl | drops a baby grand on mentalpower |
| 06:27.35 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 06:27.35 | purl | MentalPower: thanks |
| 06:27.41 | todd | ok, after I do that, anything else you would suggest? |
| 06:28.10 | MentalPower | Note to self: NEVER EVER EVER REIMPLEMENT A BUTTON/CHECKBUTTON'S STANDARD BEHAVIOR IN ONCLICK |
| 06:28.18 | MentalPower | that is all, thanks |
| 06:28.24 | MentalPower | todd: that's be it |
| 06:28.32 | todd | ok, thanks for the help |
| 06:29.34 | MentalPower | todd: hold up |
| 06:29.43 | MentalPower | why are you checking for server channels again? |
| 06:30.22 | todd | if it's not a server channel, I am going to reformat item links |
| 06:31.52 | todd | hmm.. could probably add a break after line 10 |
| 06:32.24 | MentalPower | one sec... |
| 06:32.45 | Tem | non-server channels can't ahve item links |
| 06:36.00 | todd | right, I'm going to change the item link to Prat's {CLINK:blahblah} format so it can be seen as a link by people using that module in prat |
| 06:42.37 | Nom- | woot got a N95-8GB |
| 06:42.47 | Nom- | Best puchase decision i've made this year... it's exactly what i needed |
| 06:45.38 | MentalPower | which is what exactly? |
| 06:49.31 | todd | MentalPower, am I still waiting for something? |
| 06:49.34 | todd | :P |
| 06:49.59 | MentalPower | todd: oh sorry, no |
| 06:50.29 | Nom- | http://europe.nokia.com/N95_8GB |
| 06:51.49 | MentalPower | CDMA, bah |
| 06:52.18 | Nom- | pfft |
| 06:52.22 | Nom- | sif CDMA |
| 06:52.29 | Nom- | This is the Australian version |
| 06:52.32 | Nom- | 3G standard |
| 06:53.06 | Nom- | 5MP camera, FM Radio, MP3 Plyaer, Video Player (the screen is fricken amazing actually) |
| 06:53.10 | MentalPower | actually, I take that back |
| 06:53.17 | MentalPower | seems that it does both networks |
| 06:53.21 | MentalPower | CDMA and GSM |
| 06:54.09 | Nom- | oh |
| 06:54.13 | Nom- | and built in GPS |
| 06:54.17 | Nom- | With maps preloaded |
| 06:54.18 | MentalPower | yup |
| 06:54.30 | MentalPower | is it actual GPS or pseudo GPS? |
| 06:54.32 | Nom- | It's a phone + ipod + gps system all in one |
| 06:54.45 | Nom- | It has both... network assisted and standalone |
| 06:55.00 | MentalPower | cool |
| 06:55.24 | MentalPower | what audio/video formats does it play |
| 06:55.34 | MentalPower | I see it records in AAC, but doesn't say anything else |
| 06:56.09 | MentalPower | nm, I can't scroll |
| 06:56.17 | MentalPower | Digital music player - supports MP3/AAC/AAC+/eAAC/eAAC+/WMA/M4A with playlists and equalizer |
| 06:56.55 | MentalPower | ncie |
| 06:56.58 | MentalPower | nice* |
| 06:57.03 | MentalPower | $? |
| 06:58.22 | Tem|Sleep | night, bithc |
| 06:58.23 | Tem|Sleep | es |
| 06:58.42 | Nom- | Yea, seems to have a good combo of media support |
| 06:58.53 | Nom- | It's costing me $15 per month over 24 months |
| 06:59.27 | Nom- | I was going to buy it outright |
| 06:59.31 | Nom- | But th plan worked out cheaper |
| 06:59.34 | MentalPower | night Tem|Sleep |
| 06:59.47 | MentalPower | >lua 15*24 |
| 06:59.51 | MentalPower | lua> 15*24 |
| 06:59.52 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 360 |
| 06:59.57 | MentalPower | not bad |
| 07:00.01 | MentalPower | not bad at all |
| 07:00.11 | Nom- | It's $1099 to buy outright |
| 07:00.15 | Nom- | So it's a fukn huge saving |
| 07:00.47 | Nom- | I'm paying a $49 cap, but that's a fixed price ... it's what i'm paying now |
| 07:01.09 | Nom- | So basically yesterday I was paying $49, today I have a new phone and i'm paying $64 :) |
| 07:01.27 | MentalPower | yeah, its a sweet deal |
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| 07:02.41 | Nom- | The GPS isn't as accurate as a high end standalone would be |
| 07:02.52 | Nom- | ie. It thinks i'm at 39, but i'm at 37 on that street |
| 07:03.00 | Nom- | But that's still more than accurate enough :) |
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| 07:07.38 | Kirov | anyone know wtf Option House is? |
| 07:08.35 | sag_ich_nicht | your mom |
| 07:08.37 | sag_ich_nicht | also dongle |
| 07:09.01 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: your mom jokes are old |
| 07:09.53 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: that's what she said! |
| 07:10.12 | MentalPower | I'm serious |
| 07:10.28 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what she said! |
| 07:11.03 | MentalPower | how old are you anyways? |
| 07:11.07 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what she said! |
| 07:12.27 | Fisker- | your mom |
| 07:12.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ~Fisker++ |
| 07:13.51 | Cairenn | oh god, stop already guys |
| 07:14.16 | widgertick | m00 |
| 07:14.41 | Fisker- | your mother Cairenn |
| 07:14.46 | Fisker- | swish |
| 07:14.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.35 | Kirov | aparently it's the broken options menu for Control Freak |
| 07:23.12 | cogwheel | Frisker-! |
| 07:23.42 | batrick | shirik |
| 07:23.44 | batrick | ping |
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| 07:43.06 | Fisker- | cockwheel! |
| 07:43.14 | Fisker- | i'm sick :( |
| 07:51.22 | sag_ich_nicht | yes you are |
| 07:51.28 | sag_ich_nicht | i think you mean ill |
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| 07:57.35 | MentalPower | dunno if you've seen it: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/multimedia/2008/04/gallery_viruses?slide=2&slideView=2 |
| 07:59.19 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower that's awesome |
| 07:59.22 | sag_ich_nicht | (and stupid) |
| 07:59.43 | MentalPower | y stupid? |
| 08:00.26 | sag_ich_nicht | kind of pointless imho |
| 08:00.37 | MentalPower | its art |
| 08:01.47 | sag_ich_nicht | meh meh |
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| 08:16.30 | AnduinLothar | Anyone know of an addon like EnchantMe but for Gems? |
| 08:17.37 | AnduinLothar | or better yet, an addon that has item enhancements of all types sorted by slot and role? |
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| 08:30.11 | sag_ich_nicht | someone make Hortus or Tigerclaw tell us which variable controls frill draw distance |
| 08:30.35 | widgertick | O_o |
| 08:31.07 | sag_ich_nicht | most annoying thing in WoW ever |
| 08:31.15 | widgertick | This one time |
| 08:31.17 | widgertick | in IRC |
| 08:31.18 | AnduinLothar | lol forget frill. i wanna increase mob/player draw distance |
| 08:31.19 | widgertick | I exaggerated |
| 08:31.21 | widgertick | And it was fun |
| 08:31.40 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: i don't care about that, they can go "uh no that's unfair" |
| 08:31.42 | AnduinLothar | or ever world objects.. |
| 08:31.49 | sag_ich_nicht | but fucking frill is pissing me off so badly |
| 08:32.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i |
| 08:32.25 | sag_ich_nicht | *i run around in nagrand |
| 08:32.32 | sag_ich_nicht | and the frill spawning on a damn border |
| 08:32.41 | sag_ich_nicht | is so fucking breaking sodb |
| 08:33.47 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: go and ask them for the frill draw distance |
| 08:33.55 | sag_ich_nicht | or no wait |
| 08:34.22 | sag_ich_nicht | AlexanderYoshi you go get it >.> |
| 08:35.23 | AnduinLothar | stop talking sag |
| 08:35.55 | sag_ich_nicht | >.< |
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| 08:52.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:11.06 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Zootfizzle -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. You don't have to change your login script, /join #wowi-lounge will still work, it'll just auto-forward you to here | "Zooty-zoot, zoot, zoot!" |
| 09:12.23 | Cairenn | zoot! |
| 09:12.35 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o AlexanderYoshi] by Zootfizzle |
| 09:12.59 | Zootfizzle | m33p! |
| 09:14.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha |
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| 09:15.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: is that an intentional b5 quote, or just coincidence? :P |
| 09:15.25 | Cairenn | he set it |
| 09:15.28 | Cairenn | it's rather intentional |
| 09:15.32 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, |
| 09:15.34 | Zootfizzle | Liez! |
| 09:15.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i can read |
| 09:15.35 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly |
| 09:15.40 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 09:15.59 | wereHamster | v/t |
| 09:19.22 | Zootfizzle | The chancellor is dead! |
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| 09:21.47 | bleeter | WTB: [Crack Elf Female] |
| 09:21.54 | bleeter | they sound hawt |
| 09:24.45 | Zootfizzle | Unfortunately, due to copyright restrictions, we're unable to include digital representations of Britney Spears to the game. |
| 09:25.02 | Zootfizzle | In, rather. |
| 09:25.12 | bleeter | d/^Un/ |
| 09:25.35 | bleeter | bah, /tar self && fail(regexes) |
| 09:32.21 | Drundia | a guildie of mine doesn't have pom consumed... |
| 09:33.34 | Dezzimal | so do I buy a mace or a sword now that I have 1850 personal rating |
| 09:33.50 | Dezzimal | :/ |
| 09:34.42 | Zootfizzle | What class are ya? |
| 09:35.21 | nevcairiel | If you are a class that can skill mace-stun effect, then you should get a mace for PvP'ing |
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| 09:36.01 | Guillotine | Unless you're in the Cyclone-US group |
| 09:36.10 | Guillotine | then get a staff |
| 09:36.21 | Guillotine | or the healing mace if you're a rogue and can't use staves |
| 09:36.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:36.57 | nevcairiel | you are in cyclone-us Guillotine ? :p |
| 09:37.02 | Guillotine | mmhmm |
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| 09:37.15 | Unregistered | hello? |
| 09:37.16 | Zootfizzle | ._. |
| 09:37.22 | Zootfizzle | What a novel nickname |
| 09:37.23 | Unregistered | I have a question |
| 09:37.28 | Unregistered | if someone can help me real fast |
| 09:37.35 | Cairenn | ~asktoask |
| 09:37.36 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 09:37.39 | Cairenn | :) |
| 09:37.43 | Unregistered | ok |
| 09:38.02 | Zootfizzle | If we can help you at great length, do you still want the help? |
| 09:38.12 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:38.12 | Unregistered | When i go to loot something the frame that pops up for the loot isnt in the normal position it usually is, it keeps moving around |
| 09:38.12 | Guillotine | Zootfizzle: Its the automatically provided nick from the Cosmsui Java client |
| 09:38.27 | Unregistered | everything else is as it should be but that one |
| 09:38.30 | Cairenn | Unregistered: it's popping up under your mouse, right? |
| 09:38.36 | Unregistered | yes |
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| 09:38.48 | Unregistered | and as i click loot it moves |
| 09:38.50 | Zootfizzle | This one time, in IRC, Cairenn was helpful and I got to slack! |
| 09:38.52 | Cairenn | that's a deliberate action |
| 09:38.56 | Cairenn | aye |
| 09:39.06 | Guillotine | Unregistered: Open up the Cosmos options and look at the QuickLoot options |
| 09:39.12 | Guillotine | or just disable it |
| 09:39.16 | Cairenn | what he said ^^ |
| 09:39.56 | Unregistered | awesome |
| 09:39.57 | Unregistered | worked |
| 09:39.58 | Unregistered | thanks |
| 09:40.06 | Unregistered | i had to delete my wtf folder and reset all my crap |
| 09:40.07 | Cairenn | glad we could help |
| 09:40.13 | Unregistered | cause i was having a stupid wow freeze issue |
| 09:40.20 | Unregistered | and it wasnt the wtf it was gatherer |
| 09:40.30 | Zootfizzle | That's odd |
| 09:40.32 | Unregistered | was looping endlessly and when i would hearth it would freeze |
| 09:40.41 | Unregistered | some astrolabe issue i heard |
| 09:40.45 | Dezzimal | Guillotine: I am actually in cyclone-US lol |
| 09:40.46 | bleeter | only because you haven't bothered to check for the gatherer update that fixes that |
| 09:40.49 | Dezzimal | and I am a warrior |
| 09:40.53 | Unregistered | ahh yes |
| 09:40.56 | bleeter | http://www.gathereraddon.com |
| 09:41.00 | Unregistered | well i got the new one from their site and its fixed |
| 09:41.02 | Unregistered | so al is well |
| 09:41.03 | Unregistered | all* |
| 09:41.05 | bleeter | get version 3.1.1 that's been out for a week or more |
| 09:41.06 | Dezzimal | whats your server/char Guillotine? |
| 09:41.07 | bleeter | ah good |
| 09:41.10 | Unregistered | anyway |
| 09:41.12 | Zootfizzle | Dezzimal: If you don't get the mace, you should consider logging out and deleting your character ;) |
| 09:41.16 | Unregistered | thanks for the help gotta run |
| 09:41.29 | Guillotine | Dezzimal: Draenor/Alliance. Guillotine is main |
| 09:41.30 | Dezzimal | I dunno Zootfizzle, I got to 1850 with a sword and I've seen what it can do |
| 09:41.33 | bleeter | Dezzimal: you should consider deleting your character, just gimme all yer stuff first |
| 09:41.36 | Unregistered | ill make sn so i can not be unregistered for future reference |
| 09:41.37 | Dezzimal | Stormscale/Horde |
| 09:41.45 | Dezzimal | Steroids <JUICE> |
| 09:42.32 | Dezzimal | maces are good against druids |
| 09:42.48 | Dezzimal | but you can really rip someone good when you get a sword proc |
| 09:44.20 | Guillotine | As both a druid (played as both resto and feral) and a disc healing priest, I can say that mace is FAR more devastating |
| 09:45.38 | Dezzimal | yeah I know it screws druids really hard |
| 09:45.42 | Zootfizzle | As a <class and faction redacted> I can confidently express <non-commital response that indicates prior jovial comment was clearly ludicrous> |
| 09:45.44 | Dezzimal | especially if you get a mace proc out of form |
| 09:46.07 | Dezzimal | it doesn't do much against priests though |
| 09:46.21 | Dezzimal | I'd rather have a sword |
| 09:46.27 | Dezzimal | on a priest that is |
| 09:46.37 | Dezzimal | against a rogue, definitely a mace |
| 09:47.26 | bleeter | screw swords staves and maces |
| 09:47.37 | bleeter | I wanna be able to weild that Area 52 bomb they give you in Hellfire |
| 09:47.46 | bleeter | or that one from the SSO daily |
| 09:48.08 | bleeter | hell, I could prolly solo SWP25 on my level 14 nude melee lock using those suckers |
| 09:52.07 | Guillotine | Dezzimal: I only have ~300 resil, but the sword procs do very little |
| 09:52.14 | Guillotine | the mace stuns though, are brutal |
| 09:52.29 | Guillotine | well, in larger games where there is more focused dps |
| 09:52.41 | Guillotine | I suppose in 2v2 its not going to be as brutal |
| 09:59.33 | Dezzimal | yeah sword procs in 2s are great |
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| 10:06.54 | Zootfizzle | The best part about taking a break from serious kotakuism for a few years is when you pick it back up, several new studio Ghibli films have come out. |
| 10:07.03 | Goon | Hi. Can one ask a macro/ui related question here ? |
| 10:07.15 | Zootfizzle | ~asktoask |
| 10:07.16 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 10:07.22 | Zootfizzle | WOOT |
| 10:07.45 | Zootfizzle | What's up, Goon? ;) |
| 10:08.05 | Goon | How do you make an addon that listens to a incoming chat ? |
| 10:08.15 | Goon | ie. the !enchant addon ? |
| 10:08.50 | Goon | just a pointer where to start :P |
| 10:09.01 | Zootfizzle | There are a bunch of different ways to do it, and it depends on what response exactly you want |
| 10:09.32 | Goon | Actually i would like to have a player on follow to cast something |
| 10:09.45 | Guillotine | Its unpossibbibble |
| 10:09.55 | Goon | thats to bad |
| 10:09.56 | Guillotine | (You can't smart-cast spells) |
| 10:10.53 | Goon | The idea was to whisper the player on follow !cast heal on target etc etc |
| 10:11.01 | Guillotine | yah, no-can-do |
| 10:11.18 | bleeter | the closest you can get is via multiboxing |
| 10:11.20 | Goon | Well no need to look anyfurther into that then :D |
| 10:11.30 | Goon | yeah ok. |
| 10:11.32 | bleeter | but it's not 'the same' |
| 10:11.33 | Guillotine | I suggest a voice-command program |
| 10:11.43 | Guillotine | Its not as effective, but hella fun |
| 10:11.57 | bleeter | SHIELD SHIELD NO NOT SHOOT AAARGH!!! |
| 10:12.02 | zenzelezz | isn't that third-party programs? Thought that was a no-no too? |
| 10:12.11 | Goon | lol |
| 10:12.14 | Guillotine | zenzelezz: Its just input translation |
| 10:12.19 | bleeter | zenzelezz: if it's converting a voice command to a single input, it's fine |
| 10:12.22 | Guillotine | Much like the joystick->keyboard programs |
| 10:12.26 | bleeter | that single input can trigger a macro |
| 10:12.28 | bleeter | yeah |
| 10:12.30 | bleeter | or a g15 |
| 10:12.32 | tlund | zenzelezz: in that case, the keyboard driver would be a third-party program aswell? |
| 10:12.33 | Guillotine | right |
| 10:12.34 | Zootfizzle | Bleeter and Guillotine are correct |
| 10:12.50 | Goon | Well thx alot for answering my question :P |
| 10:13.01 | bleeter | Goon: glad to be of some help :) |
| 10:13.02 | zenzelezz | tlund: no, since the keyboard is supported in WoW already. But Guillotine and bleeter pointed out what I didn't know |
| 10:13.40 | bleeter | zenzelezz: the EULA/ToS on what defines '3rd party' is, I believe, slippery so that in can adapt to changing tech |
| 10:13.51 | bleeter | current 'policy' seems to be what's described above |
| 10:14.19 | Zootfizzle | That's explicitly what it is :P |
| 10:15.21 | Guillotine | Anybody know how to make a link open up in a new tab by default (much like the individual files on wdnaddons.com) instead of either a popup or in the same window? |
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| 10:16.25 | Zootfizzle | It's a property in the <a> tag |
| 10:16.25 | bleeter | I gave up on web pages last century |
| 10:16.31 | Zootfizzle | But I forget which |
| 10:16.41 | Guillotine | Yah, I have the same problem :( |
| 10:16.46 | Guillotine | I remember doing it, but don't remember where/when |
| 10:16.49 | bleeter | _TARGET ? |
| 10:17.11 | Zootfizzle | target=_blank |
| 10:17.15 | Guillotine | hehe, just found it too |
| 10:17.18 | Guillotine | google ftw |
| 10:17.44 | zenzelezz | don't know if any are defined to be specifically a new tab, although browsers may interpret them that way |
| 10:17.46 | Cairenn | yup |
| 10:17.53 | zenzelezz | _new, _blank, etc are old |
| 10:17.53 | bleeter | sssssI would've thought _blank is just a new page, and it's client side preference that determines if it's a new tab or a new window? |
| 10:18.05 | Guillotine | I'm sure thats it |
| 10:18.09 | Cairenn | it is |
| 10:18.19 | zenzelezz | I *think* _blank was "escape any frames this page might have" or somesuch |
| 10:18.22 | Cairenn | <target=_blank> |
| 10:18.40 | Cairenn | that's what I was using to force new page/tab on the survival guide |
| 10:18.44 | Industrial | but ofcourse, noone uses frames right? |
| 10:19.01 | Industrial | >:P |
| 10:19.13 | Cairenn | <a href="url" target="_blank"> whatever </a> |
| 10:19.40 | AlexanderYoshi | when did Zootfizzle decide to show up? |
| 10:19.50 | Cairenn | he pops in every now and then |
| 10:19.56 | mikma | Zootfizzle: COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_TYPE_UNFILTERED doesn't let us know when totem dies. :( |
| 10:19.56 | AlexanderYoshi | pffft |
| 10:20.02 | Cairenn | trying to convince him to hang out with us more often :) |
| 10:20.09 | AlexanderYoshi | He's anti social |
| 10:20.10 | AlexanderYoshi | Always working |
| 10:20.17 | Zootfizzle | ;) |
| 10:20.24 | Zootfizzle | mikma: Thanks for the heads up! |
| 10:21.52 | zenzelezz | I wish my "Self" combat log filter would respect the tradeskill setting |
| 10:22.11 | Guillotine | I wish I could still use AutoTravel :( |
| 10:22.17 | zenzelezz | disabling it makes tradeskill lines vanish... until someone new creates something. Same deal with clicking the filter |
| 10:25.30 | Corrodias | well, that's the end of Psychonauts |
| 10:27.11 | Corrodias | not sure what i'll do next, but i need some time to ponder this one |
| 10:30.08 | Zootfizzle | zenzelezz: I'll look into that one too |
| 10:30.55 | Guillotine | We need to attach several giant rockets to Earth pointing west and slow down the rotation so that I can have more hours in the day :( |
| 10:31.15 | Guillotine | Or I need my own personal minion to help me get through everything I want to |
| 10:31.46 | Guillotine | Any volunteers to record/edit the phoneme sound files for the TTS addon? :P |
| 10:32.25 | AlexanderYoshi | ooh |
| 10:32.29 | AlexanderYoshi | I have a terrifying voice |
| 10:33.30 | Guillotine | Haha, I can just imagine an illidan-sounding voice doing it |
| 10:33.42 | Guillotine | Unfortunately, my accent weighs in heavily on the recordings :( |
| 10:34.19 | bleeter | Guillotine: can't see why your accent would be a problem |
| 10:34.34 | bleeter | most folks I seen ingame dribble uninteligible crap anyways |
| 10:34.44 | Guillotine | bleeter: haha |
| 10:34.52 | Guillotine | its certainly audible, but not optimal |
| 10:35.00 | bleeter | perfect |
| 10:37.05 | Guillotine | Really though, recording the sounds correctly is just a pain |
| 10:44.50 | Guillotine | Alright, I'm waking up in 4 hours, so I'm going to head off to bed :( |
| 10:44.52 | Guillotine | night all |
| 10:45.20 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Guil |
| 10:45.30 | Guillotine | thanks :) Night Cair |
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| 10:45.50 | bleeter | nn |
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| 10:53.27 | Industrial | How do i equip an item in a macro again o_O |
| 10:53.49 | Industrial | like swap my shield and onehander out and go to defensive stance |
| 10:53.59 | Snago | ./equip |
| 10:54.02 | Industrial | k |
| 10:55.17 | Industrial | haha thats fun swapping weapons all the time :p |
| 10:56.02 | wereHamster | which class do you play normally? |
| 10:56.19 | Dezzimal | at the risk of looking like a tool |
| 10:56.27 | Dezzimal | anyone know their 4chan image macros fairly well? |
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| 10:57.16 | Industrial | wereHamster: I don't really have a main. I have a 70 hunter and a 67 shaman and a 38 lock and a 27 pally and a .. etc :p |
| 11:01.46 | Legorol | noob question: |
| 11:02.02 | Legorol | how many debuffs can a mob have nowadays, and how many does the default UI (without addons) display? |
| 11:02.43 | Drundia | 40 and 16 respectively |
| 11:03.48 | Legorol | 40 seems like an odd number |
| 11:03.52 | Legorol | i mean it's even, but weird |
| 11:03.59 | Legorol | not a power of 2? |
| 11:04.30 | _rane | it used to be like 6 |
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| 11:11.47 | bleeter | ~staple Legorol |
| 11:11.48 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Legorol quite well, and hands Legorol to bleeter |
| 11:12.28 | Legorol | bleeter: unwarranted |
| 11:12.36 | Legorol | i had one DC, i came back, I ghosted myself, came back again |
| 11:13.18 | bleeter | Legorol: you haven't DCd again, so I'd dispute that it was unwarranted ;) :P |
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| 11:24.02 | bleeter | ... |
| 11:24.26 | bleeter | I wonder was causing the near-constant 60-90 second lockups every day around this time |
| 11:24.30 | bleeter | *what's |
| 11:26.36 | bleeter | the realm I'm on is US, so it's not realm population load. but it'd explain the collapse of Oceanics, still. Even after the removal of honour calc :/ |
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| 11:43.41 | bleeter | and here we go again :/ |
| 11:43.58 | bleeter | must be driving the techies mad trying to get it fixed |
| 11:45.47 | bleeter | can't even press 'cancel' on the quest complete gossip |
| 11:46.10 | bleeter | and clear |
| 11:46.19 | bleeter | 3 min soft-lockup ftw |
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| 12:05.09 | wereHamster | lua> 1/0 == 2/0 |
| 12:05.10 | lua_bot | wereHamster: true |
| 12:05.25 | wereHamster | lua> 1/0 == -2/0 |
| 12:05.26 | lua_bot | wereHamster: false |
| 12:12.06 | triggar | cool! :P |
| 12:12.41 | bleeter | you know you've played too much WoW when you try to reload your irssi config with /console reloadui |
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| 12:23.51 | reqol | if I tied a function to PLAYER_LOGOUT, would the entire function execute before the player logged out>? |
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| 12:25.05 | wereHamster | does it matter? |
| 12:25.18 | reqol | well |
| 12:25.28 | Polarina | Where did Zootfizzle go? |
| 12:25.44 | reqol | in a sense, yes, but now I've realized that what I wanted to do wouldn't matter if it had to be done on logout |
| 12:26.01 | reqol | actually, that's not entirely true |
| 12:26.25 | reqol | I want to save data that would only be available when a friend who also had this addon is online |
| 12:26.35 | reqol | but I'd prefer not to keep that data in memory |
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| 12:27.50 | reqol | but it doesn't matter because the next time I logged in it would be loaded anyway |
| 12:29.18 | reqol | unless there is a way to stop variables from loading |
| 12:29.25 | Snago | reqol: It's for parsing from the SavedVars? |
| 12:29.39 | reqol | yes |
| 12:29.43 | Snago | You could always nil it |
| 12:29.53 | reqol | ah |
| 12:30.03 | reqol | do a check to see if the specific person is online, and, if so, nil the variable |
| 12:30.15 | reqol | then it'll get GC'd |
| 12:30.30 | Snago | No garatuee he'll still be online when you logout :P |
| 12:30.41 | reqol | aye, but if he had the addon |
| 12:30.45 | reqol | it could transmit the data before he logged |
| 12:31.00 | reqol | so my question remains, is there anyway to stop the player from logging out until the data is transmitted? |
| 12:31.10 | reqol | can you hook the logout function? |
| 12:31.18 | reqol | I doubt it |
| 12:32.11 | Snago | I don't know. But you don't have to be afraid of static memory affecting performance. (Unless it's really loads of data) |
| 12:32.29 | reqol | to be honest, it really wouldn't be all that much data |
| 12:32.34 | reqol | less than most addons, I'd think |
| 12:32.36 | Snago | So I wouldn't bother and just keep the data all the time |
| 12:32.58 | reqol | and I realize memory really doesn't have a significant impact on performance, except in cases where memory is scarce |
| 12:34.02 | Snago | high memory consumption per second is bad... static memory not bad :) |
| 12:34.18 | reqol | ah, I see. |
| 12:35.26 | Polarina | Memory does though have an impact on performance, and the impact can be huge. But it's not common for scripting languages such as Lua. :) |
| 12:35.45 | reqol | Polarina: aye, I meant specifically for WoW |
| 12:35.57 | reqol | but thank you for the information, nonetheless |
| 12:36.25 | Polarina | reqol: It's also significant for World of Warcraft, just not for the scripting environment. |
| 12:37.19 | reqol | I see |
| 12:37.37 | reqol | hmm, well, does anyone know where the Logout function is defined? |
| 12:37.53 | Polarina | reqol: Let me check. |
| 12:39.50 | Polarina | reqol: d:\buildserver\bs2\work\wow-code\branches\wow-patch-2_4_1-branch\wow\source\*unknown*\*unknown*.cpp |
| 12:40.02 | mikma | rofl! the elites in sunwell bombing quest are killable by melee |
| 12:40.21 | mikma | i just did most of the quest with my wife just by killing the mobs xD |
| 12:40.31 | mikma | (they don't drop stuff tho) |
| 12:40.39 | reqol | haha, nice |
| 12:40.46 | reqol | Polarina: I'm guessing that means it's not within my grasp |
| 12:40.54 | Polarina | reqol: :P |
| 12:41.06 | reqol | thank you for the help, and the information : ) |
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| 13:23.26 | Industrial | OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM! |
| 13:25.45 | dylanm | MOAR |
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| 13:32.30 | Wobin | 1:30hrs til lotro download completes. |
| 13:32.36 | Wobin | thank god it's on free quota |
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| 13:37.43 | Lunessa | I love coming to work on a Saturday, with an event on campus. They want to use the projector in the lecture hall - Fine. I tell them, login to the computer - it controls the projector system. "We don't have to login! Can't you just help us?" *headdesk* |
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| 13:41.47 | Atriace | I'm getting a weird bug. I'm listening to UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_START and using arg1 ("unit") to find UnitChannelInfo("unit"). Although this works normally, some boss-fights/mobs I'm not getting an endTime from the function. |
| 13:42.16 | Atriace | Are there really mobs that channel spells without an endTime? |
| 13:42.42 | Atriace | Or is the client not getting the info it requested from the WoW server? |
| 13:51.21 | Drundia | another silly desync i guess |
| 13:52.11 | Atriace | desync? |
| 13:53.38 | zenzelezz | like when your client swears you're standing next to a mob yet the server keeps saying "nuh uh, out of range" |
| 13:53.49 | Atriace | ah |
| 13:54.50 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online was fun like that... if you stood around the same place for some time, some players would desynch on your screen and you'd see them running into a wall or in a circle continuously even though they had long since left the area |
| 13:55.48 | Atriace | It irks me that I have to put in fault-prevention code for an issue that shouldn't happen. |
| 13:56.01 | Atriace | C'est la vie |
| 13:57.06 | zenzelezz | is there any pattern to the missing endTime? It could be there are some channeled mob spells that just go on until the mob chooses or gets interrupted somehow (but I can't think of anything right now) |
| 13:57.48 | Atriace | Well... I don't know. I considered that option and hoped someone might know of a case. It's a third-party bug report. |
| 13:58.05 | zenzelezz | doh |
| 13:58.14 | Atriace | So far it's happened in Kara mobs and Hex Lord. |
| 13:58.47 | Drundia | well i don't know, target casting bar shows this crap... |
| 14:02.53 | Drundia | maybe you do some strange mistake? |
| 14:03.18 | Atriace | Me? Mistake? Impossible. :p |
| 14:03.53 | Drundia | hehe ok. but if you want to show your code feel free to :) |
| 14:04.30 | Atriace | Thanks, but I think the fault-code I added should be fine. Everything else works as it should. |
| 14:04.36 | zenzelezz | I don't make mistakes,I just outsmart the computer |
| 14:04.44 | Atriace | hehe |
| 14:05.06 | Drundia | no one knows |
| 14:05.20 | Drundia | there is no such protection in blizzard target casting bar code |
| 14:06.30 | Lunessa | Just remember - the computer didn't make a mistake. It did exactly what you told it to do. And it did it fast and often. |
| 14:11.41 | Tem | oh that's weird |
| 14:11.48 | Tem | local time = GetTime() |
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| 14:12.23 | Tem | Then, I try to access that local in an enclosed scope |
| 14:12.32 | Tem | but I get the global time instead |
| 14:13.56 | Drundia | oh, hi, Tem, does your ignore list fail again? |
| 14:14.05 | Tem | no, scratch that |
| 14:14.09 | Tem | I can't read my own code |
| 14:15.27 | Wobin | http://happylovestrawberry.blogspot.com/2008/04/soulmate-cookies.html |
| 14:15.32 | Wobin | oh ... those look good. |
| 14:15.59 | Atriace | Zenzeless, Drundia, Lunessa: If you think you might find a fault int he logic, here's the relevant portion of my target castingbar code, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85601 |
| 14:17.28 | magdain | Wobin: The author lost me at, "Can we recap here? No chocolate. Oats. I even used low-fat peanut butter" |
| 14:17.43 | Wobin | but look at the pictures! |
| 14:17.50 | magdain | :P |
| 14:17.54 | magdain | They do look good.. |
| 14:17.57 | Wobin | see? |
| 14:18.14 | Wobin | and they're practically healthy! |
| 14:18.21 | Wobin | (ignoring the butter, and sugar...) |
| 14:18.30 | Lunessa | low-fat does not belong in the same line as "cookie" |
| 14:18.48 | Wobin | pft, like I'd use low fat peanut butter |
| 14:19.14 | Wobin | You're not supposed to be commenting on the modifications made to the recipe, you're supposed to be thinking: "How can I beef this recipe up?" |
| 14:19.24 | Wobin | None of you are -real- engineers =( |
| 14:19.40 | Lunessa | Atriace: It looks ok - I don't see anything that jumps out at me. |
| 14:19.54 | Wobin | Personally, I couldn't -ever- follow a recipe to the letter |
| 14:20.02 | Wobin | I'd have to... add... stuff... |
| 14:20.16 | Drundia | Atriace, Blizzard code verifies for SpellName |
| 14:20.20 | Lunessa | Wobin: I'd use better goddamned chocolate and a better quality of peanut butter. |
| 14:20.27 | Wobin | Lunessa: naturally |
| 14:21.04 | Drundia | there could be some internal unnamed spells without proper times |
| 14:21.05 | Lunessa | And where's my new version of Xparky? Huh? HUH? |
| 14:21.09 | Wobin | although I'd worry somewhat that using real chocolate instead of cocoa powder might affect the consistancy |
| 14:21.16 | Wobin | I'm working on it =( |
| 14:21.20 | Wobin | I got the deletion of bars in |
| 14:21.25 | Wobin | and the sticking of bars to stuff |
| 14:21.25 | Lunessa | :D |
| 14:21.36 | Wobin | now I just have to hook them up properly to events |
| 14:21.47 | Wobin | and someone asked for an 'honour' one |
| 14:21.54 | Atriace | Alright. Thanks Lunessa. |
| 14:22.01 | Wobin | which is an interesting concept |
| 14:22.03 | Atriace | Also getting another strange bug. I'm waiting for INSPECT_TALENT_READY before using GetTalentTabInfo(), but that function is returning nil values. Is there a limitation on when GetTalentTabInfo() can be used? Perhaps INSPECT_TALENT_READY fires when trying to get info on opposing faction players in-combat, but that info is in lockdown? |
| 14:22.47 | Lunessa | Wobin: Someone cranked out a quicky that does that... I think Guillotine. And for PvP fanatics, yeah... it's a cool idea. |
| 14:23.33 | Lunessa | Atriace: You can only inspect Enemy Talents out of combat or not-flagged for PvP |
| 14:24.07 | Atriace | I know. Question is if INSPECT_TALENT_READY will still fire if the system knows you can't get inspect info out of them |
| 14:24.35 | Wobin | Lunessa: It appears they want it to track how much honour they need til they can get a redeemable amount of honour |
| 14:24.52 | Atriace | Which might be confusing the issue since opposing faction or not, I'm getting nil returns on GetTalentTabInfo() after INSPECT_TALENT_READY is fired. I don't know what case is causing it. |
| 14:25.05 | Lunessa | That sounds like a table and a bar to me. :D |
| 14:25.34 | Lunessa | Atriace: check PvP staus first. |
| 14:26.16 | Industrial | whats the curse irc channel again? |
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| 14:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. It's skipped spring and gone straight to summer here in Albany. It's 65 degrees at 10:30am, humid and promises to be a scorcher. |
| 14:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | ... it was 45 degrees yesterday. |
| 14:46.56 | zenzelezz | gife |
| 14:47.15 | zenzelezz | we're still stuck swinging back and forth between late winter and early spring |
| 14:47.35 | Atriace | 65? That's it? |
| 14:47.39 | Atriace | That's cold! |
| 14:47.40 | Lunessa | It was 80+ here. |
| 14:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | 65 is pretty darned warm for an April morning, Atriace.... I went to bed shivering and I'm sweating this morning. My allergies are crazy! |
| 14:50.14 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa-love, it's supposed to be 80 degrees in Texas. *happy hug* |
| 14:50.34 | Snago | You're using a crazy temperature scale. |
| 14:50.35 | Lunessa | And I can already visit the beach. :D |
| 14:50.51 | zenzelezz | the question is why would you want to? |
| 14:50.53 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa..... you put yourself on the hit list so very easyily!! |
| 14:50.54 | Bibi` | can you cancel more than one auction at a time ? |
| 14:50.56 | zenzelezz | getting sand in your laptop and everything |
| 14:50.59 | Lunessa | Fahrenheit. Live it, learn it, love it. |
| 14:51.12 | stew_a | are there any good lightweightish libs for creating/managing multi level dropdown menus, does anyon e know? |
| 14:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, they have *waterproof* laptops. They must have sandproof ones too. :P |
| 14:52.05 | Lunessa | well.... DewDrop in Ace2, Rock and there's an Ace3 version... |
| 14:52.24 | Lunessa | My wireless router won't xmit that far. |
| 14:52.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cell modem? |
| 14:52.47 | Snago | I just don't see how a scale that's calibrated by one guys body temperature can be sane. |
| 14:53.40 | Lunessa | Hey, all measurement is relative. All of it. |
| 14:54.04 | Drundia | any bot converts between fahrenheit and celsius degrees? |
| 14:54.25 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:54.34 | Wobin | purl needs a fairenheit to celcius converter |
| 14:54.34 | Lunessa | http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm |
| 14:54.45 | Wobin | Drundia: bah, beat me to the musing =P |
| 14:55.51 | Nom- | Anyone here played Assassin's Creed ? |
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| 15:04.23 | edwardthefma | hello al |
| 15:05.31 | edwardthefma | is any 1 on or you all afk |
| 15:07.27 | zenzelezz | such patience |
| 15:08.13 | Lunessa | .. less that 60 seconds... sounds like a movie title. |
| 15:09.18 | Tem | oh well |
| 15:09.26 | Tem | I would have refused to help anyway |
| 15:09.48 | Tem | that nick auto excludes him from any serious consideration |
| 15:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | I guess I don't understand the "fma" part of it. |
| 15:12.15 | Tem | it's an anime reference |
| 15:12.25 | dylanm | Ohhh. |
| 15:12.29 | Tem | which, sure, I like my share of anim |
| 15:12.29 | Atriace | is there a way to test if you're in a battleground apart from using GetWorldStateUIInfo()? It requires an index. |
| 15:12.30 | Tem | e |
| 15:12.47 | Tem | Atriace, yes check the returns from the queue functions |
| 15:12.58 | Atriace | will do. |
| 15:13.27 | nevcairiel | select2, IsInInstance()) == "pvp" ? |
| 15:13.29 | Tem | but, anyway, I like my share of anime, but having your name as a direct reference to the main character of one... |
| 15:13.33 | nevcairiel | er, misses a ( |
| 15:13.50 | Tem | What's with you people and your desire to use select for everything |
| 15:14.09 | nevcairiel | easier to use in a if like that |
| 15:14.11 | zenzelezz | natural selection |
| 15:14.31 | nevcairiel | local _, instanceType = IsInInstance(); if instanceType == "pvp" then |
| 15:14.37 | nevcairiel | just longer! |
| 15:14.42 | Tem | qq imo |
| 15:14.44 | Lunessa | ... what if his nick was something like Bilbo, Frodo, Drizzt, or Spider-man? |
| 15:14.54 | Tem | same effect, really |
| 15:14.55 | zenzelezz | Drizzt? |
| 15:15.05 | Tem | Everyone's favorite dark elf |
| 15:15.14 | Tem | (if I remember the reference correctly) |
| 15:15.18 | zenzelezz | from where? |
| 15:15.22 | Lunessa | Stupidly popular character from an R.A. Salvatore series. |
| 15:15.32 | Lunessa | That man is SUCH a hack |
| 15:15.42 | zenzelezz | the name still doesn't ring a bell |
| 15:16.00 | zenzelezz | I would've thought Drizzt was some murloc |
| 15:16.42 | Lunessa | It's a Forgotten Realms thing. He's in like 20 freaking crappy D&D novels. |
| 15:16.45 | Wobin | That'd be Drizzt d'oughrghrgherlglglghgghghgglglgourdan |
| 15:16.50 | Wobin | his younger cousin |
| 15:16.56 | Tem | lol wobin |
| 15:17.22 | Wobin | FR, Lunessa, not D&D =) |
| 15:17.24 | Tem | Lunessa, that makes me think of the people on my realm with horrible names like that |
| 15:17.26 | Lunessa | And when I say crappy, I mean if the paper was a little softer/cheaper you'd be tempted to use the books to wipe your ass. |
| 15:17.32 | Wobin | Leggoless! |
| 15:17.41 | Tem | Gnome mage named Gandalff |
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| 15:18.19 | Lunessa | I'm on an RP server - you know how many blood elf and night elf Arwyn spellings I see? |
| 15:18.31 | Tem | >< |
| 15:18.33 | Wobin | although equally inappropriate names are ones that lock you into a build |
| 15:18.47 | Wobin | like how a mage named "Glaceria" joined our guild |
| 15:18.49 | Lopeppeppy | I love being on a RP realm with 50 different versions of Gandalf. |
| 15:18.57 | Wobin | "Are you a frost mage?" "No. Fire. Why?" |
| 15:19.05 | Tem | Lopeppeppy, I'd report them all. |
| 15:19.31 | Tem | Wobin, there's a frost my on my server named "Scortchx" |
| 15:19.48 | Tem | and a fire mage who used to be in my guild named "Frostnova" |
| 15:19.59 | Lunessa | Heh, my guild has a Sparkky and a Torchetta. |
| 15:20.05 | Tem | (he's not in my guild anymore because the moment I got the GM title, I booted him) |
| 15:20.08 | zenzelezz | I know a fury warrior called "Tankler" |
| 15:20.09 | Tem | (ass) |
| 15:20.16 | Tem | Tankyou |
| 15:20.37 | Wobin | although best frost tree mage name I've seen |
| 15:20.39 | Wobin | Frostitute |
| 15:20.43 | Tem | heh |
| 15:20.54 | Lunessa | We had a guy in my guild (before I was GM) who kept naming his characters after prescription drugs. |
| 15:21.03 | Wobin | Viagra? |
| 15:21.03 | Tem | lol that's awesome |
| 15:21.09 | Tem | best draenei name "Bluesteal" |
| 15:21.23 | Wobin | (don't get it...) |
| 15:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | I know an Icelady, an Icewoman, and Iceylady, and Icedwoman.... none are mags |
| 15:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | *mages |
| 15:21.48 | Lunessa | Cymbalta, Zyvox, etc. He left after I pointed out that using trademarks was a) against ToU, b) pure asshattery on an RP server. |
| 15:21.48 | JoshBorke | are they at least female toons? |
| 15:22.05 | zenzelezz | there's a hunter or something on my realm simply called "Female" |
| 15:22.12 | Wobin | pft, I'd say 75% of the players wouldn't recognise them |
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| 15:22.26 | Wobin | and the other 25% are probably on them |
| 15:23.10 | Lunessa | Wobin: RP server. |
| 15:23.36 | Lunessa | He left on his own 2 days after I got the GM tag. |
| 15:24.10 | _rane | GM tag? |
| 15:26.44 | Lunessa | When I became Guild Master/Guild Leader. Meh. |
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| 15:30.41 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:30.47 | Wobin | why don't -more- sites do this? |
| 15:30.51 | Wobin | Entering in my DOB |
| 15:31.08 | Wobin | and the dropdowns are defaulted to June, 15 |
| 15:32.53 | Tem | lua> nil == "hi" |
| 15:32.53 | lua_bot | Tem: false |
| 15:32.55 | Tem | good |
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| 15:39.20 | stew_a | lua> "2.4.8">"2.3.9" |
| 15:39.20 | lua_bot | stew_a: true |
| 15:40.01 | Tem | Wobin, is your DOB June 15? |
| 15:40.12 | Wobin | no |
| 15:40.21 | nevcairiel | but its the middle of the year |
| 15:40.22 | Wobin | but it's a lot closer to June 15 than Jan 1 |
| 15:40.23 | nevcairiel | so you scroll less |
| 15:40.33 | Tem | men |
| 15:40.36 | Tem | meh |
| 15:40.40 | Tem | my dob is in jan |
| 15:40.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:40.45 | Tem | so meh |
| 15:40.45 | Wobin | Clearly you fail |
| 15:41.09 | Tem | clearly -you- fail |
| 15:41.33 | Wobin | Anyway, statistically, a mid year date is closer to a larger number of birthdays than 1 Jan, with the way the dropdowns are set up |
| 15:41.44 | Wobin | so why more of them aren't set up that way, I don't know |
| 15:41.52 | nevcairiel | I have to agree with Wobin, tem fails (and my DOB is in july) |
| 15:41.56 | Tem | <tab>j<tab>2222222<tab>*arrow* |
| 15:42.22 | Tem | you fail |
| 15:42.27 | Wobin | You look like a frost mage |
| 15:42.33 | Tem | =P |
| 15:42.45 | stew_a | lua> "2.3.9">"2.4.9" |
| 15:42.45 | lua_bot | stew_a: false |
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| 16:42.40 | Atriace | Anybody know what this guy is refering to? " possession indicator progress bar which normally appears under the minimap" |
| 16:43.23 | magdain | The progress tracker for pvp objectives I assume. |
| 16:43.32 | nevcairiel | probably the PvP indicator you get when trying to claim flags or w/e in bgs our outside pvp |
| 16:43.33 | magdain | In Eye of the Storm/Halaa/Hellfire etc. |
| 16:43.58 | Atriace | nevcairiel: does Bartender move that? |
| 16:44.01 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:44.23 | Atriace | weird... |
| 16:44.38 | Atriace | He says "it's It's split in 2 and is stuck in the middle of the minimap near the bottom" |
| 16:46.28 | Lunessa | SimpleMiniMap or Chinchilla will move that. |
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| 16:51.38 | Osagasu | Remote login is fun for messing with your parents. |
| 16:51.46 | Osagasu | bwahahaha |
| 16:54.28 | Lunessa | I hate this event. HATE it. |
| 16:56.13 | foxlit | STV arena? |
| 16:56.16 | foxlit | BRD arena? |
| 16:56.27 | foxlit | What else is hatable? :) |
| 16:56.53 | Osagasu | ilike the BRD arena. |
| 16:57.16 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: which event? |
| 16:57.43 | Lunessa | One here on campus. Visual Arts thing for the region. |
| 16:57.50 | zenzelezz | ew |
| 17:00.05 | foxlit | BindingUI.lua: "-- Deselect button if it was the pressed previously pressed" |
| 17:00.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahah @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=4FF639F9DC3AC86F868CEF84C90D1DD7?topicId=5835086022&sid=1 |
| 17:00.49 | Lunessa | They seem to think I'm unwilling to help, when in fact my hands are tied. They get computer accounts, then assign them to individuals themselves... I just got a call saying, what's the user id/password for room x? - I don't know... I don't know who is in room x, and I don't have the list. |
| 17:05.05 | Lunessa | ARGH.. and someone's art project plays really crappy rock riffs at high-volume |
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| 17:06.14 | magdain | ScytheBlade1: Awesome. |
| 17:06.16 | Lysistrata | I guess it's the wrong place to ask if FuBar_RecZone will be updated and/or if it's sufficient to add just 2 lines to it in order to recognize the new Isle? |
| 17:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | magdain: indeed |
| 17:15.26 | Arrowmaster | Lysistrata: FuBar_RecZone hasnt been updated in a very very long time afaik, but FuBar_LocationFu has a similar feature |
| 17:16.40 | Lysistrata | Thanks Arrowmaster then maybe I should give it a try. :) Still RecZone worked fine up until now. Well time to look for an alternative. Thanks. |
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| 17:27.37 | Zootfizzle | z00t |
| 17:28.19 | End | zootzoot! |
| 17:29.27 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 17:32.03 | Zootfizzle | Hehehe |
| 17:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | I've been cleaning my house all day, why not the Lounge too? :P |
| 17:32.35 | Lunessa | ... Gee Mr. Peabody, does this mean we're going to use the Wayback Machine? |
| 17:33.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yay!! |
| 17:35.10 | Lunessa | Your reputation with Lunessa has increased by 250. |
| 17:35.40 | dylanm | Best show. |
| 17:35.48 | Lunessa | Getting Rock & Bullwinkle references is full of awesome and win. |
| 17:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | Boris? |
| 17:38.27 | Lunessa | Yes Natasha? |
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| 17:40.37 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
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| 17:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | So supposedly |
| 17:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wow.images.aboveaverageurl.com/25/BlackTemple/misc/1.png |
| 17:48.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That is Azeroth |
| 17:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | According to wowwiki anyways |
| 17:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Does anyone know where wowwiki got that source? |
| 17:49.33 | Zootfizzle | I can see Undermine from here! |
| 17:49.38 | art3mis | thats no moon............ |
| 17:49.39 | Zootfizzle | That's Azeroth |
| 17:49.41 | End | well, that's definitely the eastern kingdoms there |
| 17:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Temple#See_Azeroth_from_Space |
| 17:49.47 | zenzelezz | art3mis: lol |
| 17:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ Undermine |
| 17:50.14 | Zootfizzle | There's Gilneas too |
| 17:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, the clouds or whatever was covering my screenshot |
| 17:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Astrology.jpg |
| 17:50.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot more clear |
| 17:50.51 | End | there's tyr whatsitcalled |
| 17:50.55 | art3mis | so instead of using thier crazy magic and technology |
| 17:51.00 | art3mis | they built a portal |
| 17:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | hand |
| 17:51.13 | art3mis | thats pretty lazy |
| 17:51.15 | End | maybe it wasn't tyr somethingsomething |
| 17:51.39 | End | kul tiras |
| 17:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course |
| 17:51.40 | End | that's it |
| 17:51.42 | art3mis | its a good thing the gnomes werent super industrious |
| 17:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I have to go and get another screenshot :P |
| 17:51.59 | art3mis | there would be crashed rocks and gnome corpses all over outlands |
| 17:52.05 | art3mis | rockets |
| 17:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | noooooooooooo @ gnome corpses |
| 17:52.23 | Zootfizzle | There are crashed rockets all over Outlands |
| 17:52.29 | Zootfizzle | Gnomes don't mass enough to die from falls |
| 17:52.36 | art3mis | its not like they're known for remembering to plan for the landing ;) |
| 17:52.49 | Zootfizzle | It's the only thing that's kept us alive this long |
| 17:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's genius |
| 17:53.03 | art3mis | ant-gravity? |
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| 17:56.58 | art3mis | oh other side perk of livin in new york and working for a cool company |
| 17:57.03 | art3mis | hockey and abseball tickets |
| 17:57.36 | art3mis | randomly we get 4 tickets to islanders, devils, rangers, knicks, giants, yankees and mets games |
| 18:02.21 | Lunessa | ... I'll take the Devils and Rangers tix. |
| 18:03.45 | Lunessa | I only really enjoy hockey. Other sports don't really keep me interested. |
| 18:08.48 | Wobin | is HONOR_CURRENCY_UPDATE fired every time honour is gained now? |
| 18:08.56 | Wobin | instead of the old calc time? |
| 18:10.14 | MaienM | Anyone can tell me why this code isn't working? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85614 |
| 18:10.53 | zenzelezz | you should start by explaining how it is "not working" |
| 18:11.12 | MaienM | the table is nil |
| 18:11.17 | MaienM | and stays that way |
| 18:11.32 | MaienM | gmemberTable = nil |
| 18:11.46 | MaienM | that's how the savedvariable file looks |
| 18:12.32 | art3mis | http://www.zumanityhoops.com/game.cfm |
| 18:13.06 | Zootfizzle | MaienM: That's not enough of your code to answer your question |
| 18:13.24 | Wobin | I vaugely recall seeing this game |
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| 18:14.36 | MaienM | updated the code to the whole addon code |
| 18:14.46 | AbsoRayne | hihi |
| 18:16.20 | Drundia | Wobin, fast test says that yes it (HONOR_CURRENCY_UPDATE) does |
| 18:16.22 | Zootfizzle | Heh |
| 18:16.48 | zenzelezz | you should |
| 18:16.52 | Zootfizzle | Probably not the problem you wanted me to solve, MaienM. |
| 18:17.05 | Zootfizzle | But thanks for the heads up ;) |
| 18:17.05 | zenzelezz | where is this paidTable actually first declared? |
| 18:17.37 | MaienM | hmmm.... good quetion:P |
| 18:17.49 | MaienM | I think it isn't |
| 18:19.18 | MaienM | would a if (paidTable==nil) then paidTable = {} end work to do that? |
| 18:19.46 | Zootfizzle | paidTable = paidTable or {} is better lua |
| 18:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: files.wowace.com/ForeverAFK/ForeverAFK.zip (iirc) |
| 18:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
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| 18:20.17 | Zootfizzle | Thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:20.28 | nevcairiel | Zootfizzle: but the if saves one assignment, shouldnt a if check be more "light" then a forced re-assignment? :D |
| 18:20.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Comes with a toggle, /foreverafk, off by default and not saved |
| 18:20.49 | MaienM | yep |
| 18:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | So fly out of a city, /foreverafk, and win |
| 18:20.58 | MaienM | ripped that code;) |
| 18:24.39 | MaienM | kay, my savedvariable file is now paidTable = {} |
| 18:25.14 | MaienM | but it's not a list of all guildmembers, like it's supposed to be:( |
| 18:25.30 | art3mis | Wobin: its a great game, the background is quite distracting too ;P |
| 18:26.25 | Cide | is the really annoying combat log settings reset bug getting fixed? |
| 18:26.49 | Zootfizzle | In theory |
| 18:27.04 | Cide | oh, mr. big blue is here |
| 18:27.41 | Zootfizzle | MaienM, where are you callinv nm has joined #WoWUIDev |
| 18:27.41 | Zootfizzle | [11:20] <Zootfizzle> Thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:27.41 | Zootfizzle | [1 |
| 18:27.47 | Zootfizzle | Bleh |
| 18:27.56 | Zootfizzle | Where are you calling TGMT:GUILDROSTER_UPDATE? |
| 18:28.54 | MaienM | by ace2.... right? |
| 18:29.09 | MaienM | I registered it according to the acewiki |
| 18:29.30 | MaienM | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon#Responding_to_Events |
| 18:30.05 | nevcairiel | MaienM: oh heh, you need to do self:RegisterEvent then |
| 18:30.13 | nevcairiel | and not <frame>:RegisterEvent |
| 18:30.34 | nevcairiel | (and add "AceEvent-2.0" to your :new() call |
| 18:32.09 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: isnt OnShow suppost to pass the frame as the first arg for everything? StaticPopupDialogs[?].OnShow = function(this) end seems to be passing nil as first arg |
| 18:32.41 | nevcairiel | for some reasons thats not true for static popups, god knows why |
| 18:32.44 | nevcairiel | i ran into that too |
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| 18:33.06 | Wobin | art3mis: I find the game too distracting for the background =P |
| 18:34.06 | art3mis | heh |
| 18:35.08 | MaienM | right.... this is the code as it is now.... still not working though.. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85616 |
| 18:36.22 | nevcairiel | MaienM: i think the event actually is GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 18:36.26 | nevcairiel | notice the extra underscore |
| 18:36.33 | Zootfizzle | StaticPopupDialogs[?].OnShow isn't a real OnShow |
| 18:37.11 | Zootfizzle | If you want to use this in there, remove it from the function definition |
| 18:37.39 | nevcairiel | Wobin: that game is hard... ;) |
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| 18:39.24 | MaienM | YEAH!!!! it work's |
| 18:39.33 | MaienM | thanks a lot guys |
| 18:39.37 | Shirik | it is? |
| 18:39.43 | Shirik | wow |
| 18:39.47 | Shirik | scrolling up ftl |
| 18:39.54 | Shirik | so ScytheBlade1, thats really azeroth? |
| 18:42.33 | Arrowmaster | it makes no sense at all from lore but yeah it is |
| 18:44.34 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: Why do you say that? |
| 18:45.13 | Shirik | this guy makes no sense to me |
| 18:45.26 | Shirik | #define whilst while ...... whilst(condition) { ... } |
| 18:45.28 | Shirik | are you serious? |
| 18:46.05 | Arrowmaster | unless ive missed something i didnt think think azeroth and outlands were that close that one seems like a moon from the other |
| 18:46.28 | Shirik | I thought they were different dimensions >.> |
| 18:46.33 | Shirik | But I know nothing about WoW lore |
| 18:46.42 | Wobin | same |
| 18:47.24 | Wobin | Shirik: he needs #define defineth define |
| 18:47.57 | Arrowmaster | i thought they were different dimensions or atleast in different parts of the universe |
| 18:48.03 | Zootfizzle | Outland doesn't have a sky, that's Azeroth appearing in the twisting nether |
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| 18:48.09 | Shirik | I guess it does look like Azeroth |
| 18:48.31 | Drundia | what are you all talking about now? |
| 18:48.43 | Drundia | some cool strange place |
| 18:48.43 | Shirik | http://wow.images.aboveaverageurl.com/25/BlackTemple/misc/1.png |
| 18:49.19 | Drundia | omg big moon is like azeroth |
| 18:54.37 | Shirik | wow... 1GB SD card for 5.99 |
| 18:54.44 | Shirik | too bad nobody uses them anymore |
| 18:54.58 | Shirik | 4GB SDHC for 21.99 |
| 18:55.05 | Polarina | Shirik: That's Azeroth. |
| 18:55.12 | Shirik | I said it was :/ |
| 18:55.25 | Polarina | Shirik: And not an reflection. :P |
| 18:55.43 | Shirik | .. huh? |
| 18:55.47 | nevcairiel | outlands shouldnt really be a moon that flys around azeroth |
| 18:55.49 | nevcairiel | thats crazy |
| 18:56.05 | Shirik | I think Zootfizzle argued that it wasnt |
| 18:56.20 | Polarina | Shirik: That's the planet Azeroth is built on. |
| 18:56.22 | Wobin | well, we at least know where Azeroth is situated in regards to the Starcraft universe =) |
| 18:56.27 | Shirik | but I dont understand enough of WoW Lore to understand this: |
| 18:56.29 | Shirik | (14:47:54) (@Zootfizzle) Outland doesn't have a sky, that's Azeroth appearing in the twisting nether |
| 18:56.30 | nevcairiel | heh Wobin |
| 18:56.35 | Shirik | Polarina: ... I know? |
| 18:56.38 | Shirik | Why do you keep telling me these? |
| 18:56.55 | nevcairiel | Shirik: so its some magical hax due to the nether? |
| 18:57.03 | Shirik | Thats what I took it to mean |
| 18:57.12 | Wobin | It's twisty, see? |
| 18:57.17 | Polarina | Shirik: Sorry. |
| 18:57.27 | Drundia | it's some illidan's haxx |
| 18:57.29 | Shirik | ok now that my entire left side of my screen is filled with yellow |
| 18:57.37 | nevcairiel | yellooooow |
| 18:57.39 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 18:57.42 | Wobin | cause of Shirik pings? |
| 18:57.42 | Drundia | he wanted to jump to northrend and kill lich king like that i think |
| 18:57.45 | Polarina | Oh.. wait, Zootfizzle is here! :D |
| 18:57.53 | Shirik | I hate you so much |
| 18:57.55 | Polarina | Welcome Zootfizzle. :) |
| 18:58.02 | Drundia | i'm a bit new here still.... who is Zootfizzle? |
| 18:58.15 | nevcairiel | some guy that works at blizz |
| 18:58.17 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Zootfizzle |
| 18:58.24 | Shirik | nevcairiel: works is debatable |
| 18:58.28 | nevcairiel | true |
| 18:58.30 | Shirik | s/works/is employed at/ |
| 18:58.35 | Shirik | er |
| 18:58.39 | Wobin | idles at Blizz |
| 18:59.04 | Lunessa | ZOMG - you just slammed Zoot! It's a Zoot-Suit Riot! |
| 18:59.07 | Drundia | oh yes, i rarely check US forums too.... |
| 18:59.09 | nevcairiel | and he supposedly is a gnome |
| 18:59.51 | Lopeppeppy | .... rawr. |
| 18:59.54 | Shirik | ~lart Lunessa |
| 18:59.54 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Lunessa |
| 18:59.58 | nevcairiel | you cant use "my" with /me Lunessa, just sounds wrong! |
| 19:00.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm are only certain widget handlers available from static popups? |
| 19:00.36 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: static popups handlers are all fake, so i asume yes :P |
| 19:00.42 | Wobin | Lunessa is a Cherry Poppin Daddy =P |
| 19:00.49 | Lunessa | Totally. |
| 19:01.05 | Lunessa | Let me tell you the story of Minne the Moocher... |
| 19:01.20 | Zootfizzle | Hey hey, I go AFK for four minutes and suddenly I'm a slacker? ;) |
| 19:01.38 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: yeah EditBoxOnEscapePressed works but when i tried EditBoxOnTextChanged i got nothing, although i think i might see an error in my code |
| 19:01.50 | Lunessa | We downd two bosses in that time and we're still waiting for you to roll on loot. ... |
| 19:01.52 | Lunessa | slacker |
| 19:01.54 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Do you like riddles? |
| 19:02.15 | Zootfizzle | What's in my pocket? |
| 19:02.36 | Wobin | Is that a cog. or are you happy to see us? |
| 19:02.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:02.43 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: What is the content of d:\buildserver\bs2\work\wow-code\branches\wow-patch-2_4_1-branch\wow\source\ui\Cooldown.h ? :P |
| 19:02.59 | Wobin | Then why ask? =) |
| 19:03.04 | Shirik | thats not a riddle :P |
| 19:03.14 | Polarina | I want to solve the riddle myself too. |
| 19:03.27 | nevcairiel | its just a header file, probably nothing interesting |
| 19:03.31 | Wobin | Cause he has four legs as a baby, two legs as a adult.. oh wait |
| 19:04.24 | Shirik | If I gave you a random header file would you accept it and move on? |
| 19:04.42 | Fisker- | i rather want to know the contents of the branches folder |
| 19:05.00 | Zootfizzle | The branches folder contains other folders :P |
| 19:05.10 | nevcairiel | files too? |
| 19:05.15 | Wobin | including wow-patch-2_4_1-branch! |
| 19:05.19 | Zootfizzle | No files :P |
| 19:05.23 | nevcairiel | too bad |
| 19:05.29 | Drundia | I got a different riddle. Which function stops working properly because sometimes SpellStopCasting() returns some kind of "true" instead of some kind of "false"? <-- WTB fix! |
| 19:05.38 | Arrowmaster | bah EditBoxOnTextChanged doesnt seem to work at all |
| 19:05.41 | Shirik | and wow-patch-2_5_0-branch? o.o |
| 19:05.49 | Fisker- | nah |
| 19:05.51 | Fisker- | it's 3.0.0 :O |
| 19:06.03 | Shirik | what about 4.0? |
| 19:06.03 | Polarina | Shirik: That's the trunk. |
| 19:06.04 | Fisker- | also yeti |
| 19:06.12 | Shirik | Polarina: How would you know |
| 19:06.12 | Wobin | I agree |
| 19:06.13 | Shirik | honestly |
| 19:06.24 | Polarina | Shirik: How would I not know? |
| 19:06.25 | Wobin | if it's not in trunk by now, as a separate project, I'd be worried =) |
| 19:06.42 | Shirik | Not everyone uses the trunk to keep the most recent code |
| 19:06.45 | Fisker- | branches are intended for developement |
| 19:06.49 | Fisker- | trunk is not |
| 19:07.02 | Shirik | I use it to keep the most recent stable code so that I can tack on minor updates as needed and release those in between major patches |
| 19:07.02 | Fisker- | so it shouldn't have that code there rawr |
| 19:07.08 | Wobin | pft, trunk is used for whatever |
| 19:07.15 | Fisker- | nevar |
| 19:07.23 | Shirik | well, not stable |
| 19:07.38 | Shirik | but the closest to the last stable release |
| 19:07.46 | Polarina | Shirik: Then what? Zootable? |
| 19:07.49 | Wobin | I'd use branches more in svn |
| 19:07.54 | Wobin | if merging wasn't such a nightmare |
| 19:08.05 | Shirik | honestly I dont see why people have such an issue with it |
| 19:08.11 | Arrowmaster | because it sucks |
| 19:08.12 | Shirik | I ENJOY merging |
| 19:08.16 | Shirik | but then again |
| 19:08.22 | Shirik | Im working on a one-man project :P |
| 19:08.42 | Wobin | I prefer git's merging |
| 19:08.46 | Shirik | oh I remember when I had to merge batricks files with mine |
| 19:08.53 | Shirik | literally every file went into conflict |
| 19:08.58 | Zootfizzle | LOL |
| 19:09.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:09.20 | Shirik | but tortoisemerge makes it really easy to resolve, I like it |
| 19:09.33 | Zootfizzle | Forgetting you had rice in your rice cooker for three months is a mistake you only make once. |
| 19:09.36 | Wobin | I can't believe I'm actually downloading about 1000 separate files for this patch =( |
| 19:09.46 | nevcairiel | wtf is a rice cooker? |
| 19:09.50 | Wobin | it's a machine |
| 19:09.53 | Shirik | I have a rice cooker! |
| 19:09.53 | Wobin | that cooks rice |
| 19:09.54 | Shirik | theyre fun |
| 19:09.55 | Lunessa | Shirik: I was going to say, I just /bet/ you do. |
| 19:09.58 | Wobin | It's invaluable! |
| 19:10.08 | Wobin | I can't live without a rice cooker |
| 19:10.18 | Shirik | I also have a water boiler |
| 19:10.19 | Shirik | its awesome |
| 19:10.21 | Lunessa | Zootfizzle: So, how much was the new rice cooker? |
| 19:10.24 | Shirik | you stick in a few cups of water, push the button |
| 19:10.28 | Shirik | literally in 20 seconds you have boiling water |
| 19:10.31 | Wobin | ricecookers can be cheap |
| 19:10.43 | Shirik | use that for instant noodles |
| 19:10.44 | nevcairiel | we just cook rice in a normal pot :P |
| 19:10.47 | Shirik | makes it REALLY instant |
| 19:10.50 | Wobin | $20 for a small one (3cup) |
| 19:10.59 | Wobin | nevcairiel: Too much fuss |
| 19:11.02 | Wobin | and messy |
| 19:11.09 | Wobin | and you have to keep an eye on it |
| 19:11.18 | Wobin | and it never turns out nice =P |
| 19:11.22 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:11.30 | Zootfizzle | And it's troublesome to keep rice warm in a pot for two days |
| 19:11.38 | nevcairiel | but yeah a water boiler is really great, no idea how people do without one |
| 19:11.39 | nevcairiel | for like |
| 19:11.40 | nevcairiel | tea |
| 19:11.41 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 19:11.45 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: So, what are you up to? |
| 19:11.49 | nevcairiel | or instant noodles =P |
| 19:11.51 | Lunessa | I just moved, and being a bachelor with little inclination to stock kitchen items perviously, I need new kitchen stuffs. I want a rice cooker, crock pot and a bread maker. |
| 19:11.55 | Wobin | rice cooker is easy, two cups of rice, wash the rice, toss the rice in, add water, close, pres butan, leave. |
| 19:12.13 | nevcairiel | most of the time i cook other stuff too while cooking the rice |
| 19:12.18 | Wobin | I use a kettle for water =) |
| 19:12.20 | nevcairiel | so keepign a eye on it is not the issue |
| 19:12.20 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: Mischef ;) |
| 19:12.28 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: :) |
| 19:13.02 | nevcairiel | Wobin: you have a freaking rice cooker but no water boiler? =P |
| 19:13.14 | Polarina | I guess that's the reason why mobs sometimes do damage to you after its death. :) |
| 19:13.16 | Wobin | I'm very strapped for space in my kitchen |
| 19:13.29 | Snago | Every kitchen should have a rice cooker and a water boiler <3 |
| 19:13.38 | Lunessa | What I want to do is make lots of rice at once and keep it warm and eat it throughout the day. :D |
| 19:13.38 | nevcairiel | Wobin: well i guess in AU its generally warm, so no reason to drink hot tea all the time |
| 19:13.42 | Wobin | although, what's a water boiler look like? |
| 19:13.48 | Zootfizzle | I have a water boiler, I call it my microwave ;) |
| 19:13.51 | Wobin | I don't think I've seen one |
| 19:13.58 | raylu | no,that's a water heater |
| 19:14.07 | Wobin | microwave takes about a minute =) |
| 19:14.08 | raylu | if you try to actually boil it, you get owned |
| 19:14.31 | Shirik | Zootfizzle: Really, you dont know what youre missing |
| 19:14.34 | Shirik | these things are amazing |
| 19:14.38 | Wobin | got a picture? |
| 19:14.41 | Shirik | and it has a little button to dispense it |
| 19:14.52 | raylu | speaking of water boilers, is there an addon that lists all theenemies in an area, kinda like how the party interface lists all party members? |
| 19:14.59 | nevcairiel | we dont even have a button to dispense |
| 19:15.01 | raylu | *the enemies |
| 19:15.06 | nevcairiel | just looks like a plastic kettle |
| 19:15.14 | nevcairiel | with a heatplate integrated in the bottom |
| 19:15.14 | Wobin | raylu: non sequitrs r us? |
| 19:15.26 | Zootfizzle | raylu: I hope not ;) |
| 19:15.29 | Wobin | so... what's the difference between it and an electric kettle? |
| 19:15.30 | Polarina | raylu: Just use WorldFrame and pixel scan it for nameplates. |
| 19:15.42 | Wobin | aside from keeping the water boiling |
| 19:15.58 | raylu | non sequiturs are awesome. Polarina, you're kidding, right? |
| 19:16.00 | nevcairiel | Wobin: http://www.comtech.de/images/products/1/35886.jpg |
| 19:16.02 | nevcairiel | like that or so |
| 19:16.08 | Lunessa | raylu: There isn't anything that will let you create a target-capable list of mobs/enemy players or other arbitrary units. |
| 19:16.08 | Wobin | oh |
| 19:16.11 | Wobin | That's a kettle =P |
| 19:16.13 | raylu | because i don't know what worldframe is, but the second part of that sentence doesn't sound too fun |
| 19:16.13 | Wobin | for me |
| 19:16.18 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:16.22 | Shirik | http://www.amazon.com/Sunbeam-6131-Water-Dispenser-Black/dp/B000C3QSPQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0042607-3517609?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1208027749&sr=8-1 |
| 19:16.23 | Polarina | raylu: Of course I am. |
| 19:16.26 | Shirik | thats what I use |
| 19:16.39 | raylu | Lunessa, but there is one for arenas |
| 19:16.43 | Wobin | http://img.shopsafe.com/shop/wishlist_com_au/thumbs/sunbeam_dome_stainless_kettle_wishlist_com_au_sm.jpg |
| 19:16.51 | MentalPower | Polarina: you can't pixel scan in-game |
| 19:16.56 | Polarina | MentalPower: :( |
| 19:17.02 | raylu | it assembles the list based on enemy players and links it with all the enemies your allies click on |
| 19:17.05 | Lunessa | Ahh.. but it only works for units you see before combat starts, and only works for units you SEE. |
| 19:17.07 | Wobin | see now, Shirik's is what I'd envisaged as a water boiler |
| 19:17.09 | raylu | updating only when one of you gets updates |
| 19:17.12 | AnduinLothar | look at aloft and see how it finds the mob bars |
| 19:17.24 | Polarina | At least I can get data in and out of the game at runtime, so I'm happy. :) |
| 19:17.25 | raylu | aloft merely replaces the nameplates, i believe |
| 19:17.31 | raylu | Lunessa, that's good enough for me |
| 19:17.38 | raylu | basically, i want something like that arena addon, but for mobs |
| 19:17.41 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 19:17.42 | nevcairiel | i prefer the electric-kettle design, you can actually use it for stuff thats not tea or a instant noodles :P |
| 19:17.44 | Arrowmaster | it skins them |
| 19:17.57 | MentalPower | Polarina: how? |
| 19:18.01 | Lunessa | The only thing like that at all is Proximo or I think the ol PersonalSentry |
| 19:18.14 | Shirik | LMAO @ this review |
| 19:18.16 | Polarina | MentalPower: It's obvious... |
| 19:18.16 | Shirik | There is an ON button but no OFF button so if you plug it in and press on before filling it with water, the water heating area will singe. Uh oh. This works so much faster than putting a kettle on that it really hits the spot especially in the middle of the night when you just feel like a hot tea. |
| 19:18.18 | nevcairiel | MentalPower: pixel scanning and date modifications probably |
| 19:18.21 | Shirik | what a tool |
| 19:18.26 | Wobin | nevcairiel: agreed |
| 19:18.30 | Shirik | there are THREE WARNING LABELS telling you not to turn it on without water in |
| 19:18.48 | Wobin | also, you can control how close to boiling you want the water better with a kettle |
| 19:18.54 | Shirik | true |
| 19:18.59 | Shirik | this one just turns off when it feels like it |
| 19:19.03 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:19.13 | raylu | Shirik, you mean when the water actually is boiling? |
| 19:19.14 | MentalPower | Polarina: screenshots and pixel scanning can get data out, but I'm not sure how you're getting data in |
| 19:19.28 | Polarina | MentalPower: That's obvious, too. |
| 19:19.49 | Polarina | MentalPower: Even Zootfizzle agrees to that. |
| 19:19.56 | nevcairiel | MentalPower: there have been pages explaining how to modify the PC date with a specific algorithm and polling the date in game to pass data |
| 19:20.15 | nevcairiel | s/date/time/ |
| 19:20.17 | nevcairiel | what ever :) |
| 19:20.47 | Fisker- | i am downloading illegal materials on teh internets |
| 19:21.02 | MentalPower | Fisker-: good for you! |
| 19:21.03 | MaienM | gratz:P |
| 19:21.05 | Fisker- | bow before my mighty connections! |
| 19:21.11 | Fisker- | and so forth |
| 19:21.36 | Shirik | raylu: yup |
| 19:21.44 | Shirik | it turns off when it detects the water is right |
| 19:21.47 | Fisker- | yay |
| 19:21.56 | Fisker- | <-doctor who tiem |
| 19:21.56 | Shirik | which can be anywhere between 5 seconds and a minute |
| 19:22.17 | Wobin | Shirik: actually, it's a little counterintuitive to require you fill up the appliance -before- plugging it in. Most pluggable items have an on/off switch. |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | er |
| 19:22.26 | Polarina | Now everyone shall speak their native tongue (Or secondary if it's English)! |
| 19:22.28 | Shirik | you dont need to fill it up before plugging it in |
| 19:22.30 | Wobin | And does that mean you have to unplug it if you're not using it right away? |
| 19:22.36 | Shirik | Mines always plugged int |
| 19:22.47 | Shirik | theres an on button, just no off button |
| 19:22.48 | nevcairiel | alll that talking about tea made me want one |
| 19:22.56 | Wobin | Shirik: ah |
| 19:22.59 | Shirik | actually I take that back |
| 19:23.01 | Shirik | that guys even more of an idiot |
| 19:23.04 | Shirik | the on button IS the off button |
| 19:23.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:23.08 | Shirik | I just tried it... |
| 19:23.18 | Wobin | toggle, eh? |
| 19:23.20 | Shirik | but normally you dont have to turn it off |
| 19:23.24 | Shirik | it just turns itself off |
| 19:23.54 | Cide | do buffs which are refreshed at the maximum stack raise a combat log message? |
| 19:24.08 | raylu | this might be the most in-depth discussion on water boilers eveer |
| 19:24.37 | nevcairiel | Cide: no |
| 19:24.40 | Cide | boo |
| 19:24.41 | Cide | ok |
| 19:24.42 | Cide | thanks |
| 19:25.02 | Polarina | Aww... :( |
| 19:25.10 | nevcairiel | i wonder why people really try that hard |
| 19:25.18 | Wobin | pft |
| 19:25.23 | Wobin | It can't be shipped outside the US |
| 19:25.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 19:25.38 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Don't nerf my good old "/run ChatFrame1:SetMaxLines(2^31-1)", please... :( |
| 19:25.43 | Zootfizzle | If we wanted you to pass data in and out, we'd have made it easy ;) |
| 19:26.03 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Yay, no screenshots anymore. :) |
| 19:26.08 | MaienM | well.... that makes sense:P |
| 19:27.27 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Is this the right moment for minor feature requests? *shy* |
| 19:27.35 | Zootfizzle | Of course! |
| 19:27.44 | Zootfizzle | If I didn't want to talk to you guys about WoW, I wouldn't be here :P |
| 19:27.55 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: One moment please.. |
| 19:27.55 | Arrowmaster | give spellid from tooltip:GetSpell()! |
| 19:28.00 | Shirik | Talking about WoW is now expressly forbidden in this channel |
| 19:28.03 | Shirik | Thank you, and have a good day |
| 19:28.07 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:28.12 | nevcairiel | so back to water boilers |
| 19:28.17 | Shirik | right, water boilers |
| 19:28.30 | Wobin | I'm going to have to see if I can find one here |
| 19:28.44 | Wobin | since Amazon is being an arse about shipping international |
| 19:28.53 | nevcairiel | that electric kettle that i consider a water boiler is all i need |
| 19:28.58 | nevcairiel | it just made me tea! |
| 19:29.20 | Wobin | Amazing! |
| 19:29.29 | Lunessa | ... My ONE gripe with WoW - too much mouse-dependancy. I'd like to be able to turn movement sensitivity so I can turn better with a keyboard and keystroke to select/inteact with an NPC or corpse. Even if those elements were not 'moddable.' |
| 19:29.31 | Josh_Borke | you guys are weird |
| 19:29.35 | Wobin | How did we do without this whole boiling water thing? |
| 19:29.37 | MaienM | WOW..... all by itsels?? |
| 19:29.39 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Having GameTooltip:SetTradePlayerItem / SetTradeTargetItem / SetSendMailItem / SetInboxItem (And possibly SetGuildBankItem) return the vendor repair cost of the items. GameTooltip:SetInventoryItem for example does this even if not at a vendor. |
| 19:29.40 | Josh_Borke | Zootfizzle: wtb GetServerDate() :-( |
| 19:29.57 | Cairenn|afk | Zootfizzle: part of the reason why Polarina is asking if it's okay to talk to you about work stuff is because there's been a bit of a standing policy in this channel that people aren't supposed to bug you guys about work stuff unless you specifically say it's okay |
| 19:30.16 | Lunessa | Indeed. |
| 19:30.23 | Cairenn|afk | Zootfizzle: it's trying to allow you guys a place to come hang out and talk, but without being *pestered* |
| 19:30.49 | raylu | Lunessa, agreed :D |
| 19:30.57 | Cairenn|afk | you're welcome to change that policy if you wish, but that's how it currently is |
| 19:30.58 | nevcairiel | we all gave up on pestering ages ago, didnt bring us any results =P |
| 19:31.04 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Having the ability to acquire the current and the original charges of items (Best would be if possible from item links). :) |
| 19:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | What Cairenn|afk said. I've got minor feature suggestions to no end, but I don't want to harass you :) |
| 19:31.19 | Lunessa | Now we try rank bribery, or blackmail. |
| 19:31.23 | raylu | why do all the addons i'm looking at say that you can't target via their popup/menu/list after if they're seen combat has begun? |
| 19:31.39 | Lunessa | raylu: because you can't. |
| 19:31.46 | Josh_Borke | ugh, disneyworld is expensive |
| 19:31.51 | raylu | huh? what's the limitation? |
| 19:32.02 | Lunessa | Comabt lock down. |
| 19:32.17 | amro | raylu: some UI functions are protected during combat |
| 19:32.19 | Josh_Borke | raylu: because they don't want to deal with secure stuff |
| 19:32.19 | raylu | do you mean blizzard made a limitation specifically for this? |
| 19:32.22 | Josh_Borke | can't say i blame them |
| 19:32.23 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 19:32.29 | raylu | teh wtfz? |
| 19:32.42 | raylu | but if i see a mob before combat, i can target it via their menus |
| 19:32.54 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: ... I'm snickering... I mean, after all your diatribe last night about return values ... |
| 19:33.02 | nevcairiel | Does anyone know (with a 100% certainty) if (and which) event fires if a friendly mob changes to hostile? Like Illidan before engage and after engange. |
| 19:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: wait what? |
| 19:33.14 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 19:33.18 | Lunessa | Oh wait, sorry... that was sag |
| 19:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:33.24 | sag_ich_nicht | you talking bout me? |
| 19:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a problem |
| 19:33.26 | Josh_Borke | raylu: right, because addons are allowed to call secure code and stuff before combat happens |
| 19:33.40 | raylu | ugh |
| 19:33.42 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Is that doable? :) |
| 19:34.26 | Lunessa | I've been awake for too many hours on too little sleep. |
| 19:34.26 | Wobin | sag_ich_nicht, ScytheBlade1... I can see where you could make the mistake |
| 19:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | sag_ich_nicht: yeah, and Lunessa confused me with you. It's an insult. To one of us. Who, I can't figure out. |
| 19:34.26 | raylu | i may have to go and write my own addon :( |
| 19:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yet. |
| 19:34.26 | sag_ich_nicht | ScytheBlade1: probably both of us |
| 19:34.26 | Wobin | the letters are right next to each other! |
| 19:34.26 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Lunessa |
| 19:34.26 | purl | puts Lunessa through a wood chipper |
| 19:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | sag_ich_nicht: I'd believe that |
| 19:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | sag_ich_nicht: down with Lunessa! |
| 19:34.34 | MaienM | get the forks an torches!!! |
| 19:34.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, that's a good one./ |
| 19:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | *one. |
| 19:34.43 | Lunessa | given ambiguity in a statement by me, assume it was meant in the most offensive manner to the largest audience. :P |
| 19:34.44 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: If we do something like that, for repair costs and or charges, it won't be in any way tooltip related :P |
| 19:34.58 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Other parts of the Set* set do it. |
| 19:35.26 | sag_ich_nicht | oh HAI zootfizzle |
| 19:36.11 | Zootfizzle | Call me crazy, but I'd rather give folks functions that return information than modifying what happens when they set tooltips so they can parse the tooltip to find the information ;P |
| 19:36.35 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: so function that returns spellid for buffs/debuffs? |
| 19:36.40 | MaienM | seems a lot easier to me, too |
| 19:36.41 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: I'm not parsing the tooltip, it's actually a return value... |
| 19:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: know what I'd love to see? A right-click drop down menu for NPC targets (on the unitframe), with an option: "Talk" :) (ENOUGH WITH THE STANDING ON THE REAGENT VENDOR, LET ME TALK GET YOUR DRAKE OUT OF THE WAY etc etc etc) |
| 19:36.55 | Zootfizzle | Even getting it as a return value from setting a tooltip is silly |
| 19:36.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And with that I'll leave you for a day :) |
| 19:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, leave you alone for a day. Concerning suggestions. |
| 19:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | General hassment is still here though. |
| 19:37.15 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Why does SetInventoryItem return such a value then. :) |
| 19:37.31 | Zootfizzle | Somebody probably thought it was a good idea at the time? |
| 19:37.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: gimme a returnvalue for the duration of channeled spells from SOME function :P (preferably GetSpellInfo) |
| 19:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | (This is also why the channel has a 'policy' of not harassing the blues :)) |
| 19:38.06 | Lunessa | ... here we go again... |
| 19:38.08 | Zootfizzle | sag_ich_nicht: Okies! That's a good one ;) |
| 19:38.12 | sag_ich_nicht | SEE? |
| 19:38.18 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: See http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Valuation/ValuationUI.lua for an example on how I use it to post-process the items prices. Like under SetInventoryItem for example. |
| 19:38.18 | sag_ich_nicht | EAT IT LUNESSA |
| 19:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 19:38.32 | Lunessa | I was just waiting for you to start foaming at the mouth is all. |
| 19:38.40 | Josh_Borke | wtb tauren marines |
| 19:38.51 | *** kick/#wowuidev [sag_ich_nicht!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (Tastes like pwn ;)) |
| 19:38.51 | *** join/#wowuidev sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85-127-205-118.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:38.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Lysistrata124 (i=yousuck@unaffiliated/lysistrata) |
| 19:38.57 | sag_ich_nicht | :D |
| 19:38.57 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:39.00 | Lunessa | LAWL |
| 19:39.06 | AlexanderYoshi | Hey Zootfizzle, can I get more features plz? |
| 19:39.10 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: atm channeled spells are considered instants which is logical from the way channeled spells work, but you have to use tooltip scanning to get the duration |
| 19:39.16 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 19:39.31 | Arrowmaster | wtb (permentent not time limited) holiday tauren marine costume giving item when SC2 is released |
| 19:39.50 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@12.179.203.116) |
| 19:39.56 | nevcairiel | we would even accept with purchase of SC2! |
| 19:40.06 | Arrowmaster | YES |
| 19:40.10 | mikma | lawl, oGlow should be put into default WoW |
| 19:40.29 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: That's neat, but it's a bad way to do it from a game perspective |
| 19:41.04 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Any other methods do fine for me, just suggesting this method to maintain API consistency. |
| 19:41.18 | Zootfizzle | Sometimes it's okay to do things in a new way ;) |
| 19:41.24 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 19:41.27 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Sure thing. :) |
| 19:41.31 | Josh_Borke | whoa, whoa, new way? |
| 19:41.34 | Josh_Borke | that's crazy talk |
| 19:41.56 | Arrowmaster | speaking of api consistency, api needs to switch to using true/false instead of 1/nil for 3.0 imho |
| 19:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:42.34 | Josh_Borke | Arrowmaster: quit nit-picking :-P |
| 19:42.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Arrowmaster: awesome idea! |
| 19:42.51 | Josh_Borke | it does the same thing |
| 19:42.52 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: And a function 'current, original = GetItemCharges(<item link>)' -- The charges affect the vendor value of items and is currently impossible (or highly unfeasible) to do a tooltip scanning. |
| 19:43.11 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, i dont suppose there are any plans to allow secure keybindings in the default binding UI? Like a direct-click binding onto a secure button without crazy bindings.xml hax (using "CLICK ButtonName:LeftButton" as binding identifier ..) |
| 19:43.23 | Josh_Borke | hate @ bindings.xml |
| 19:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Josh_Borke: there is no hate @ bindings.xml here! |
| 19:43.47 | nevcairiel | there is hate @ bindings.xml everywhere |
| 19:43.50 | nevcairiel | the bindings system sucks |
| 19:43.53 | Drundia | I'd like full access to UI Object templates from Lua |
| 19:43.57 | Drundia | not just for inheriting them |
| 19:43.57 | Xinhuan | hey now nevcairiel, i discovered that method ;p |
| 19:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But that said, a better way of structuring them, and possibly a way of implimenting keybinds via lua would be great |
| 19:44.23 | Xinhuan | i'm surprised it worked even |
| 19:44.26 | Drundia | more lua and less xml please |
| 19:44.30 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel Xinhuan you're both doing it wrong |
| 19:44.35 | sag_ich_nicht | and Josh_Borke too |
| 19:44.40 | Josh_Borke | Drundia: wrong |
| 19:44.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:43] <Josh_Borke> hate @ *.xml |
| 19:44.42 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed. |
| 19:44.49 | Josh_Borke | sag_ich_nicht: wrong |
| 19:44.50 | Zootfizzle | Heh |
| 19:44.51 | nevcairiel | the .xml is fine imho |
| 19:44.55 | Xinhuan | for a binding to appear in the default UI's keybind menu, that's the only way sag_ich_nicht :) |
| 19:45.00 | Drundia | i don't like xml |
| 19:45.00 | Zootfizzle | I like XML ;) |
| 19:45.10 | Zootfizzle | I especially like templates in xml ;P |
| 19:45.16 | Drundia | :( |
| 19:45.17 | Josh_Borke | Drundia: WHY, WHY do you want templates in lua? |
| 19:45.18 | nevcairiel | I dont use it to create frames, because its easier to do so in Lua |
| 19:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have any objections to it, but I lack a good XML editor + validator |
| 19:45.22 | nevcairiel | but for templates, XML owns |
| 19:45.23 | ScytheBlade1 | So I use the lua |
| 19:45.23 | sag_ich_nicht | [21:44] <Xinhuan> for a binding to appear in the default UI's keybind menu, that's the only way sag_ich_nicht :) <--i know, but i sttill hate on it! |
| 19:45.32 | Drundia | let's say i want to make secure group header or whatever it was |
| 19:45.36 | Josh_Borke | how would templates in lua even work? |
| 19:45.36 | Drundia | it requires template |
| 19:45.41 | Drundia | i don't want to make template in xml |
| 19:45.59 | AlexanderYoshi | then it wouldn't be secure if it was in lua |
| 19:46.14 | nevcairiel | is my custom .xml template considered secure? |
| 19:46.15 | Zootfizzle | As much as I love you Drundia, your not wanting to do something is hardly a compelling reason ;) |
| 19:46.44 | Drundia | ideally initializing script would be handy because blizzard code controls when it happens |
| 19:47.19 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Also, would it be a possibility to acquire the quest ID of a quest while speaking to a NPC (gossip window) without first having to accept the quest? |
| 19:47.45 | AlexanderYoshi | Are quest IDs expose in the quest links, btw Polar? |
| 19:47.51 | Polarina | AlexanderYoshi: Yes. |
| 19:48.20 | Josh_Borke | ~yell BUG |
| 19:48.27 | Josh_Borke | hm, guess not |
| 19:48.27 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah and i shall nitpick until i get a clear answer, is COMBATLOG still an upvalue in Blizzard.CombatLog.lua in the next patch? I want to remove the dirty hax from my little addon to make it pure hax http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/CombatLogTimestamper/CombatLogTimestamper.lua |
| 19:48.39 | Drundia | Alex, we could treat secure templates like secure frames and not allow modification of them in combat |
| 19:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85620 <-- I've always wanted something like that to register keybindings |
| 19:48.58 | Drundia | that can give an ability to change template out of combat if we want to change something |
| 19:49.06 | Drundia | like size |
| 19:49.10 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: that would own :) |
| 19:49.10 | Drundia | of them all |
| 19:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ... not that it took my tabs correctly |
| 19:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But you get the idea |
| 19:49.14 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Sorry for bugging you like this. |
| 19:49.15 | sag_ich_nicht | btw. the first person to figure out where this taint error is coming from gets cookies: http://pastey.net/85621 |
| 19:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: indeed, now go pester for me ;) |
| 19:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | semi-afk |
| 19:49.31 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: indentation only works right if you select a language to display :p |
| 19:49.40 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: From the World of Warcraft client! |
| 19:49.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina: NO SHIT |
| 19:49.47 | Josh_Borke | Drundia: whoa, whoa, that's just crazy talk. changing templates?! |
| 19:49.56 | Josh_Borke | and retroactively changing all inherited frames? |
| 19:50.05 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: i know why, and i told cog, but he didnt fix it |
| 19:50.12 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: tell me why |
| 19:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: okay, there |
| 19:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: good to know, haha |
| 19:50.21 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i'll get it fixed |
| 19:50.29 | sag_ich_nicht | you know i will |
| 19:50.42 | Josh_Borke | thank god sag_ich_nicht doesn't use any of my addons |
| 19:50.50 | Drundia | i guess retroactively changing all inherited frames won't quite work |
| 19:50.54 | sag_ich_nicht | Josh_Borke but i do! i just haven't found any bugs in it yet |
| 19:50.55 | Drundia | but we can modify them out of combat |
| 19:51.19 | Josh_Borke | i have addons that are still usable? o.O |
| 19:51.24 | sag_ich_nicht | not really. |
| 19:51.30 | Josh_Borke | ok, good |
| 19:51.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i used simulcast |
| 19:51.35 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: he does his reset-after-death in PLAYER_DEAD, but PLAYER_DEAD is for some reason still in combat lockdown since 2.3 or something |
| 19:51.37 | sag_ich_nicht | but i don't anymore :P |
| 19:52.06 | nevcairiel | before it worked fine |
| 19:52.18 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i think this warrants the following: |
| 19:52.30 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart one of the UI devs |
| 19:52.30 | purl | shoots one of the UI devs in the head |
| 19:52.41 | nevcairiel | as you can see from the taint message, its line 63 in MacroSequence.lua |
| 19:52.46 | nevcairiel | and thats his reset-after-death :) |
| 19:52.55 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 19:52.56 | nevcairiel | that taint message should occur when you die |
| 19:53.01 | nevcairiel | and, HAHA you died! |
| 19:53.07 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: HAHA I GOT A BREZ |
| 19:53.13 | sag_ich_nicht | HARD AGGRO RESET FTW |
| 19:53.54 | sag_ich_nicht | oh btw. |
| 19:54.35 | Cairenn|afk | lol Zoot|corpse |
| 19:54.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Zoot|corpse AlexanderYoshi: http://pastey.net/85294-3o7l the sandbox is doing SOMETHING wrong there :P |
| 19:54.53 | sag_ich_nicht | (see last follow up for crash message :P) |
| 19:56.04 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: You are humorous. :P |
| 19:56.31 | nevcairiel | imho Zoot|corpse should hack WoWLua's xpcall to accept arguments like pcall |
| 19:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | imho Zoot|corpse should just add luasocket and call it good |
| 19:56.51 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:57.03 | nevcairiel | nah i dont need that |
| 19:57.15 | Arrowmaster | i think hes regreting saying we could make suggestions |
| 19:57.22 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 19:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I think he's realizing why the channel had/has that policy |
| 19:57.31 | nevcairiel | he died already |
| 19:57.33 | sag_ich_nicht | that wasn't a suggestion from me, that was WoW crashing from the sandbox >_< |
| 19:57.39 | Zoot|corpse | The only part I'm regretting is I'm at home right now |
| 19:57.52 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: Great idea. Zootfizzle, could you implement LuaSockets as a wrapper around SendAddonMessage? |
| 19:58.13 | nevcairiel | why do people always want comms with the outer world |
| 19:58.26 | Zoot|corpse | You guys have overwhelmed my capability to remember everything, and I'm feeling too lazy to write it all down ;( |
| 19:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Zoot|corpse: how about this. We can pester Zoot* with random crap, but AlexanderYoshi is more of a "not right now" nick |
| 19:58.47 | Arrowmaster | Zoot|corpse: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/CombatLogTimestamper/CombatLogTimestamper.lua |
| 19:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Zoot|corpse: that way, we know when to bug you, when not to bug you, and you have control over it ;) |
| 19:58.50 | Lunessa | Zoot|corpse: wait, you're at home... and you're in here, talking to us? Ummm... dude, go outside, see a movie, drink a vodka tonic, hit on a pretty person who floats your boat... |
| 19:58.54 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: so i don't have to load a 90 MB saved vars file to have a fair chance in the arena? |
| 19:59.01 | Arrowmaster | Zoot|corpse: remove COMBATLOG upvalue in Blizzard_CombatLog.lua |
| 19:59.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a WALL of "Zoot|corpse:" ! |
| 19:59.17 | Drundia | then i'll remind the bug that sometimes SpellStopCasting() returns some kind of "true" when you aren't casting and ToggleGameMenu() (Esc key) just gets stuck on that line every time |
| 19:59.45 | Shirik | so kings gives me 100 mp5 |
| 19:59.45 | sag_ich_nicht | because blizz killed inspecting enemies in the arena again |
| 19:59.45 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: you know those are different people, right? :P |
| 19:59.47 | Shirik | thats awesome |
| 19:59.48 | Cairenn|afk | Zoot|corpse: you don't need to remember everything though, I've got it all under control |
| 19:59.54 | sag_ich_nicht | so i have to load a huge armory datamine into WoW again |
| 19:59.58 | Josh_Borke | ok, so, you guys have seen those pictures of things where it changes based on the direction you're looking at? |
| 20:00.04 | Arrowmaster | ~logs |
| 20:00.05 | purl | logs is, like, apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 20:00.07 | Cairenn|afk | Zoot|corpse: all you need to do is remember the date and approximate time stamp: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ |
| 20:00.09 | Josh_Borke | or looking from rather |
| 20:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: yeah. That's the problem ;) |
| 20:00.12 | Drundia | remove all upvalues from Blizzard_CombatLog.lua to be honest |
| 20:00.19 | Cairenn|afk | Arrowmaster: precisely |
| 20:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | anywho afk |
| 20:00.31 | Drundia | and move the damn SetItemRef from that file to core FrameXML |
| 20:00.33 | Josh_Borke | my grandmother gave me a puzzy like that |
| 20:00.39 | Josh_Borke | s/puzzy/puzzle/ |
| 20:00.42 | Drundia | and fix it to not clear item random suffixes |
| 20:00.47 | Zoot|corpse | Drundia: Why don't you rewrite the UI the way you want it and send it to me? ;) |
| 20:00.47 | Josh_Borke | it has got to be one of the hardest puzzles i've ever done |
| 20:00.50 | Zoot|corpse | It'd save me a lot of time. |
| 20:00.55 | Josh_Borke | the pieces keep changing! |
| 20:00.56 | Drundia | ok |
| 20:01.04 | Drundia | i will |
| 20:01.10 | Drundia | i wanted to do something |
| 20:01.19 | Drundia | but how can i contact you? |
| 20:01.37 | Zootfizzle | Carefully! |
| 20:01.44 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: imho you should competely lockdown the UI for each author until he proves that he wrote an addon that uses the secure pie template |
| 20:01.57 | nevcairiel | pie template o.O |
| 20:02.00 | Josh_Borke | Drundia: have it ready the next time he logs on :-D |
| 20:02.02 | nevcairiel | who uses that anyway? |
| 20:02.07 | Polarina | WTB WoTLK! |
| 20:02.08 | Drundia | oh sounds good |
| 20:02.09 | Zootfizzle | sag_ich_nicht: I'd have to stop working on the UI ;P |
| 20:02.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: i know |
| 20:02.19 | Josh_Borke | Zootfizzle: lol |
| 20:02.20 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: it's so SOMEONE |
| 20:02.22 | sag_ich_nicht | at SOME POINT |
| 20:02.28 | sag_ich_nicht | can fucking RECREATE sprocket |
| 20:02.34 | nevcairiel | you do it! |
| 20:02.37 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 20:02.41 | nevcairiel | yes. |
| 20:02.44 | sag_ich_nicht | nvar |
| 20:02.45 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784543907&sid=1 - *headdesk* Can I just post "You're too stupid for helping. I'm not helping you no more!" ? Please? |
| 20:02.46 | sag_ich_nicht | *nevar |
| 20:03.10 | Arrowmaster | i would do it but i suck at gui's |
| 20:03.14 | Wobin | Josh_Borke: It's a puzzle? |
| 20:03.16 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: you dont write in green or anything no? Just post :P |
| 20:03.36 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.52 | sag_ich_nicht | which reminds me |
| 20:03.58 | Mikk | Vote to have sag_ich_nicht banned from the channel. All in favour say aye. |
| 20:03.59 | Mikk | <- Aye |
| 20:04.10 | Zootfizzle | ~whalestab Mikk |
| 20:04.10 | purl | ACTION stabs Mikk with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 20:04.17 | Josh_Borke | wobin: yes |
| 20:04.26 | Wobin | Josh_Borke: what sort of puzzle? |
| 20:04.36 | Josh_Borke | wobin: "300 piece DIMENSIONS jigsaw puzzle" |
| 20:04.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle if you really want good suggestion for ui improvements just /join #wowace-cia and lurk. you will read a lot of changelogs cursing about UI annoyances in a very short time. |
| 20:04.43 | Josh_Borke | with 3-D effects |
| 20:04.44 | Wobin | Josh_Borke: oh one of those |
| 20:04.57 | Josh_Borke | after i complete it, i will NEVER do another one |
| 20:05.01 | AlexanderYoshi | sag_ich_nicht, I think he wants consisely written requests |
| 20:05.02 | Wobin | They're cool in a "That looks funky, but there's no way in hell I'm doing it" sort of way |
| 20:05.03 | Josh_Borke | i think i'm going cross-eye |
| 20:05.11 | AlexanderYoshi | Not a channel of bitchy people |
| 20:05.15 | sag_ich_nicht | AlexanderYoshi: no |
| 20:05.28 | sag_ich_nicht | AlexanderYoshi: you missunderstand what #wowace-cia is :P |
| 20:05.54 | Josh_Borke | AlexanderYoshi: i thought he said give me recommendations so he could laugh as we all tore each other new ones for recommending stupid stuff :-D |
| 20:05.58 | sag_ich_nicht | AlexanderYoshi: it's a +m'd channel that has a bot in it that announces SVN commits to the wowace SVN, nobody can talk in there except for that bot :) |
| 20:06.08 | Arrowmaster | i can =D |
| 20:06.18 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't count Arrowmaster :P |
| 20:07.00 | sag_ich_nicht | AlexanderYoshi: so you can read all the commit notes and non of the annoying people like me trolling everyone |
| 20:07.03 | sag_ich_nicht | *none |
| 20:07.23 | AlexanderYoshi | stabbing someone wih a pillow would be painful |
| 20:07.35 | Xinhuan | its my trademark emote around here :) |
| 20:07.36 | mikma | Mikk: AYE |
| 20:07.47 | MentalPower | Mikk: AYE! |
| 20:07.48 | Zootfizzle | sag_ich_nicht: As much as I'd like to have the ability to resolve everything that people find annoying about developing UI for WoW, it's unfortunately not the only thing I have to worry about... |
| 20:07.52 | Xinhuan | because slapping with trouts got boring |
| 20:07.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: i know :) |
| 20:08.41 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Can I help? |
| 20:08.43 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: pick a posix regex library for lua and add it to wow and youll solve one of my annoyances |
| 20:09.15 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: Why? |
| 20:09.19 | AnduinLothar | make your own? |
| 20:09.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Krolmor (n=opera@bd21a325.virtua.com.br) |
| 20:09.31 | nevcairiel | imho lua pattern are good enough |
| 20:09.44 | Krolmor | 'lo |
| 20:09.51 | Arrowmaster | because detecting url's is a bitch |
| 20:10.06 | Drundia | or put perl-style regex library (it isn't posix is it?) |
| 20:10.19 | MentalPower | nop |
| 20:10.22 | Arrowmaster | either one |
| 20:10.27 | Josh_Borke | *sigh* |
| 20:10.28 | Krolmor | Could I get some tips? I'm having some trouble at a concat line here, keeps saying it's attempting to concat a nil value |
| 20:10.31 | MentalPower | Posix regex ~= Perl regex |
| 20:10.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Wondraus (n=Wondraus@72.35.100.224) |
| 20:10.37 | Josh_Borke | Krolmor: pastey it |
| 20:10.54 | MentalPower | Krolmor: note he didn't say paste it |
| 20:11.02 | MentalPower | Krolmor: read the topic :) |
| 20:11.18 | Krolmor | yup, I already got the ban stick once, leave it to me hehe |
| 20:11.42 | Arrowmaster | http://git.arrowmaster.homeip.net/?p=UrlCopy.git;a=blob;f=UrlCopy.lua;h=c4fea52156f4d9150a9e9505da3c9cd5658613ed;hb=bd0e438bc4f3e63586cb3adfa8f1156b7eeb3bb8 |
| 20:11.45 | Arrowmaster | soo many patterns |
| 20:11.54 | Josh_Borke | Arrowmaster: cry me a river |
| 20:11.56 | Arrowmaster | and i dont even want to think about adding IRI support |
| 20:12.22 | Krolmor | quick qn btw: is there a less annoying way to reload UI other than /script ReloadUI() ? |
| 20:12.36 | Arrowmaster | try /rl |
| 20:12.44 | Xinhuan | how about, just use a standard chat addon that copies the whole line, then you can edit the URL out :) |
| 20:12.51 | Arrowmaster | a few different addons add it as an alias to /script ReloadUI() |
| 20:12.54 | Lunessa | As long as you have any ace addons. |
| 20:12.54 | Xinhuan | no parsing required |
| 20:13.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Krolmor: /console reloadui |
| 20:13.16 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: awww, no IPv6 addys? :P |
| 20:13.21 | Krolmor | ty! |
| 20:13.28 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: IPv6 WORKS! |
| 20:13.29 | Josh_Borke | SLASH_CMD_HANDLE["MYRELOAD"] = ReloadUI(); SLASH_CMD_HANDLE["MYRELOAD1"] = "/rl" or some such junk |
| 20:13.39 | Josh_Borke | you can even macro it |
| 20:13.39 | Polarina | Arrowmaster: I can write a POSIX regex library for you. |
| 20:13.41 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: if you start them with http:// |
| 20:13.53 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina: no you can't |
| 20:14.02 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: Why not? |
| 20:14.10 | AlexanderYoshi | zootfizzle |
| 20:14.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina: you don't even understand how addon comms work, how could you claim you could write a POSIX regex lib?! |
| 20:14.21 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 20:14.25 | AlexanderYoshi | wtb, a special flag on a macro that makes it "run at load time" |
| 20:14.32 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:14.35 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: I *can*, not saying I would. And I do understand how addon communication works. |
| 20:14.36 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 20:14.40 | Wondraus | I loaded Cosmos and now I cant Sell items. How do I fix this? |
| 20:14.40 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: ... so many patterns. My eyes get all wonky trying to read them. |
| 20:14.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Wondraus: you stop failing |
| 20:15.08 | Josh_Borke | AlexanderYoshi: that's what addons are for :-P |
| 20:15.14 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: yeah and i even have the "word1 word2"@domain.tld email one commented out |
| 20:15.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Wondraus: you could also annoy AnduinLothar about it |
| 20:15.54 | Zootfizzle | AlexanderYoshi: Send me an e-mail? |
| 20:15.55 | AnduinLothar | never rly found a source to that bug |
| 20:16.02 | Tem | AlexanderYoshi, that's easy addon land imo |
| 20:16.02 | AnduinLothar | some say disabling fluidframes worked |
| 20:16.16 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: i blame frame layers |
| 20:16.20 | AlexanderYoshi | but wait, why can't you just do it magically right now? |
| 20:16.27 | AlexanderYoshi | Why do I have to do work to ask for features? |
| 20:16.29 | AlexanderYoshi | Whaaaa |
| 20:16.32 | AlexanderYoshi | Whaaaaaa |
| 20:16.34 | Tem | =P |
| 20:16.43 | AlexanderYoshi | Q.Q |
| 20:16.49 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart AlexanderYoshi |
| 20:16.49 | purl | slams AlexanderYoshi against a large cement Tux |
| 20:16.50 | AlexanderYoshi | Omg |
| 20:16.59 | AlexanderYoshi | Someone else requested a feture i don't like |
| 20:17.02 | AlexanderYoshi | I'm gonna insult them |
| 20:17.06 | sag_ich_nicht | ~AlexanderYoshi-- |
| 20:17.07 | AlexanderYoshi | You are stinky Xinhuan |
| 20:17.09 | AnduinLothar | sag. just stop talking. you're abrasive and anoying. |
| 20:17.19 | Xinhuan | wrong, i'm smelly :) |
| 20:17.21 | Tem | speaking of QQ, out of 9 t4 token drops last night, not one of them was of the Defender |
| 20:17.22 | AlexanderYoshi | And most of you guys are being childish and impolite |
| 20:17.23 | Tem | QQ |
| 20:17.36 | AlexanderYoshi | Zootfizzle is here to hear lucid requests from you guys |
| 20:17.38 | Cairenn | and definitely trying my patience as well |
| 20:17.44 | AlexanderYoshi | Not watch you in-fight like a bunch of wild monkeys |
| 20:17.51 | AlexanderYoshi | We come here because you guys are well behaved |
| 20:17.54 | Arrowmaster | Tem: you want QQ you should see the number of tripple vanq T6 drops weve gotten |
| 20:18.01 | AlexanderYoshi | If we wanted vapid lunacy, we'd go to the forums instead. |
| 20:18.04 | Fisker- | me? Well behaved? |
| 20:18.05 | Fisker- | i laugh! |
| 20:18.16 | Tem | Arrowmaster, sounds like my kind of day |
| 20:18.21 | AlexanderYoshi | So why don't you guys start acting like the smart people you really are? |
| 20:18.24 | Fisker- | no |
| 20:18.26 | Fisker- | I KEEL YOU |
| 20:18.28 | AlexanderYoshi | Alright, I'm going to lunch. |
| 20:18.35 | MentalPower | Fisker-: stop |
| 20:18.39 | Polarina | Alex|Lunch: Me too. |
| 20:18.41 | Tem | though, I'm curious why they mixed around the classes with the t6 tokens |
| 20:18.53 | Zootfizzle | I'm going to eat lunch now ;) |
| 20:18.54 | Tem | I rather liked being grouped with wars and priests |
| 20:18.56 | Arrowmaster | Tem: because T4 and T5 were unbalanced |
| 20:18.56 | Zootfizzle | Please leave me alone! |
| 20:18.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: you could also just set +m |
| 20:18.59 | Fisker- | :D |
| 20:19.03 | Fisker- | doh |
| 20:19.04 | Cairenn | if I have to, I will |
| 20:19.08 | *** part/#wowuidev raylu (n=raylu@129.120.244.90) |
| 20:19.14 | Fisker- | i was replying to SOMEONE SILLEH MentalPower |
| 20:19.14 | Arrowmaster | Tem: nobody on the hero token has an alternative set |
| 20:19.36 | Tem | Arrowmaster, alternative set? |
| 20:19.42 | Arrowmaster | offspec |
| 20:19.49 | Arrowmaster | whatever you want to call it |
| 20:20.09 | Tem | Arrowmaster, what do you mean? |
| 20:20.25 | Cairenn | I am really disappointed in some of you guys, even though Zoot said he'd be willing to listen to requests and suggestions, the policy of being courteous and respectful of one another hasn't changed |
| 20:21.00 | Arrowmaster | Tem: warriors can get a tanking set or a dps set from their tokens, hero token is for warlock mage hunter, of which they all only have 1 set |
| 20:21.18 | Tem | oooooh |
| 20:21.19 | Tem | okay |
| 20:21.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: +m and only +v people that actually have something to say(i.e. not me and Fisker-) |
| 20:21.30 | Arrowmaster | so its very offbalance |
| 20:21.35 | Cairenn | oh, I know sag_ich_nicht, trust me |
| 20:21.38 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: that should not be required |
| 20:21.46 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: though I agree, you pretty much need to smack people around more often if you want them to behave... you have too much faith in people |
| 20:21.52 | Tem | Arrowmaster, I understand what you mean now. |
| 20:21.57 | Krolmor | erm, solved my problem, turns out i was being retarded |
| 20:22.01 | Krolmor | :) |
| 20:22.04 | Cairenn | I just try not to use it, I expect you guys to behave responsibly |
| 20:22.18 | Tem | Arrowmaster, I still prefer being grouped with wars and priests to mages and rogues |
| 20:22.33 | MentalPower | sag_ich_nicht: this is not the forums, if you want to troll go there instead |
| 20:22.35 | Arrowmaster | although T6 is better its still not perfect since most raids dont have an even number of every class its kinda predictable which classes an average raid will have more of |
| 20:22.42 | Cairenn | why you guys decided to turn into a bunch of moronic b.net kiddies today is beyond me |
| 20:22.53 | sag_ich_nicht | MentalPower: i know :) |
| 20:24.28 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: i know why i have! |
| 20:24.42 | Krolmor | I've seen the example for timers in the tutorial, but didn't quite get it... Does anyone have an example around of how to do something every X seconds? |
| 20:25.04 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: I still say you're too lenient. It's not as if today is the only day several people around here behave like morons |
| 20:25.54 | Josh_Borke | local secsBetweenCalls, timeSinceLast = 5, 0; local f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elapsed) timeSinceLast = timeSinceLast + elapsed; if timeSinceLast >= secsBetweenCalls then <do stuff> timeSinceLast = 0; end end) f:Show() |
| 20:26.02 | Josh_Borke | Krolmor: that was for you |
| 20:26.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: you're trust in the good in people is astonishing as always :) and the reasons for this behaviour are among others: fanboyic behaviour, grudges between different people, disagreements on 'problems' in the default UI between these, lack of proper realisation that acting like morons will probably make blizz people not come back here, etc. |
| 20:26.32 | Tem | Josh_Borke, thanks, I was about to type that |
| 20:26.33 | Krolmor | awesome, ty very much! |
| 20:26.35 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: i've gone batty thanks to this puzzle :_D |
| 20:26.48 | Josh_Borke | Tem: meh, stuff like that is easy :-D |
| 20:26.55 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: It would be better to rename 'secsBetweenCalls' to 'delta'. |
| 20:27.23 | Snago | or sexBetweenCalls :D |
| 20:27.25 | stew_a | anyone got a good guide to regexps? i really cant get to grips with them :-( |
| 20:27.33 | Josh_Borke | Polarina: why? so you weren't sure what units the elapsed was in? |
| 20:27.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:27.35 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 20:27.39 | sag_ich_nicht | hi iriel |
| 20:27.48 | Tem | afternoon, Iriel |
| 20:27.51 | MentalPower | night Kirkburn|sleep |
| 20:27.52 | Iriel | afternoon |
| 20:27.54 | MentalPower | hi Iriel |
| 20:27.57 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: delta is a word that means difference. |
| 20:27.59 | Kirkburn|sleep | Night MentalPower |
| 20:28.00 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn|sleep |
| 20:28.03 | Cairenn | hi Iriel |
| 20:28.05 | Iriel | Recovered from your exciting night of alcoholic adventures Tem? |
| 20:28.09 | Kirkburn|sleep | Night Cairenn, hi Iriel :P |
| 20:28.18 | Tem | I was barely tipsy last night |
| 20:28.18 | Josh_Borke | nn Kirkburn|sleep |
| 20:28.28 | Josh_Borke | Polarina: so would you prefer: secsBetweenDeltas |
| 20:28.30 | Tem | besides, I got up at like 7 this morning |
| 20:28.33 | Kirkburn|sleep | One Brit goes, one Brit arrives. Tag team fun. |
| 20:28.35 | Josh_Borke | ? |
| 20:28.36 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: No! |
| 20:28.47 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: It won't make any sense that way. |
| 20:29.11 | Josh_Borke | oh, i know |
| 20:29.13 | Iriel | Tem: Is that because you ran out? |
| 20:29.19 | Tem | ... |
| 20:29.20 | Tem | yes |
| 20:29.27 | Josh_Borke | secsBetweenCalls => deltas; elapsed => secondsSinceLastOnUpdate |
| 20:29.40 | Iriel | Tem: Didyou remember sharing that with the channel? 8-) |
| 20:29.50 | Tem | I do now |
| 20:29.54 | Fix[EJ] | ha |
| 20:30.09 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: The 'elapsed' in that scenario could also be named a delta. |
| 20:30.21 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: Wikipedia it if you're unsure. :) |
| 20:30.59 | Josh_Borke | i know what delta means |
| 20:31.09 | Josh_Borke | Polarina: the idea was to point out the units associated with the variables |
| 20:31.10 | End | based on Tem's typing skills last night, I must doubt he was only "barely tipsy" ;-p |
| 20:31.29 | Josh_Borke | not to use the most correct variable names |
| 20:31.32 | zenzelezz | Polarina/Josh_Borke: I missed the start of the discussion; but if you're aiming at something for a large audience then words like "delta" are past a number of people's average English level |
| 20:31.39 | Tem | End, prove it? |
| 20:32.02 | End | prove my doubt? |
| 20:32.06 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: that's what scrollback buffers are for :-P |
| 20:32.07 | End | I doubt you Tem! |
| 20:32.16 | End | or do you want proof you sucked at typing? |
| 20:32.31 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: what? delta is universal not limited to english >< |
| 20:32.37 | zenzelezz | Josh_Borke: if I had the interest in finding out I would; I just figured the comment was in place since it applies to more than just your discussion |
| 20:32.37 | Drundia | "delta" is like same in all languages |
| 20:32.44 | sag_ich_nicht | beat you to it :P |
| 20:32.49 | zenzelezz | not necessarily |
| 20:32.58 | Tem | I can recall making one typo |
| 20:33.06 | Tem | and then saying "lol that looked bad" |
| 20:33.06 | zenzelezz | and as you might notice I said "words like", not exclusively "delta" |
| 20:33.11 | Josh_Borke | Tem: in your life? |
| 20:33.12 | Lunessa | I'm just upset that Tem didn't share the whiskey |
| 20:33.25 | Tem | I ran out! |
| 20:33.40 | End | that might have been your only typo |
| 20:33.42 | Josh_Borke | tem: wheer'd you run to? |
| 20:34.01 | End | I don't pay a lot of attention to the channel though sometimes, so that was probably 100% of the time I saw you type |
| 20:34.11 | End | besides, I'm just sort of some assholeguyman |
| 20:34.43 | Tem | also, for the record, I need to buy a grill |
| 20:34.49 | Lunessa | I should pick some up on the way home. Then I can lead my guild raid tonight liquored up and short on sleep. |
| 20:34.52 | Tem | $8 steak + grill = awesome |
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| 20:35.27 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 20:35.51 | Lopeppeppy | ... mmmm, liquor..... |
| 20:35.51 | Lunessa | Mmm... steak. |
| 20:36.09 | Lunessa | ... mmm Lopeppeppy... |
| 20:36.12 | Josh_Borke | Lunessa: you mean you're not always liquored up when you lead a raid? what kind of leader are you? |
| 20:36.40 | Lunessa | Josh_Borke: a terrible one. Really. Ask any of the 6 people who've left my guild lately. :P |
| 20:37.00 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:16] * @Zootfizzle nerfs staying online infinitely by hiding the logout frame. <--noooooooooooooooooooooooo :( Xinhuan look what he did :( |
| 20:37.24 | Xinhuan | wut, not my fault |
| 20:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy, Lunessa... |
| 20:37.51 | Lunessa | :D |
| 20:37.56 | Xinhuan | i wasn't even the person that came up with the technique/addon, i merely cleaned up his code ;p |
| 20:38.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@85-127-205-118.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] by Zootfizzle |
| 20:38.31 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [sag_ich_nicht!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (If you can't play nice with our toys, you're not invited ot the sandbox) |
| 20:38.44 | Josh_Borke | damnit, i was going to make a sarcastic comment in his direction |
| 20:38.45 | mikma | thanks! |
| 20:38.48 | Josh_Borke | but i couldn't come up with it fast enough |
| 20:38.55 | mikma | much love Zootfizzle <3 <3 |
| 20:39.24 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 20:39.33 | mikma | the incredible feeling |
| 20:39.35 | mikma | sag-free channel! |
| 20:40.04 | Xinhuan | you have no idea how many hours he spent complaining about pally power ~_~ |
| 20:40.17 | Lopeppeppy | I love PallyPower. *hug* |
| 20:40.34 | AnduinLothar | oh, i didn't knwo your wrote pally power |
| 20:40.38 | AnduinLothar | now i know who to bug |
| 20:40.39 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 20:40.44 | Xinhuan | err i didn't write PP |
| 20:40.48 | End | lol |
| 20:40.51 | AnduinLothar | QQ |
| 20:40.52 | Xinhuan | i'm just saying he annoyed everyone about PP in the channel |
| 20:40.56 | AnduinLothar | lawl |
| 20:40.59 | Fisker- | ZOMGBuffs is better than PallyPower |
| 20:41.07 | Xinhuan | even though the author doesn't even come on irc! |
| 20:41.12 | AnduinLothar | heh |
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| 20:41.25 | Fisker- | also you can bug the ZOMGBuffs author on irc unlike the PallyPower one :( |
| 20:41.26 | cncfanatics | hello everyone |
| 20:41.27 | AnduinLothar | PP DOES have some annoyances tho |
| 20:41.31 | Snago | I even fixed it for him, but he continued to moan! |
| 20:41.43 | Cairenn | morning cncfanatics |
| 20:42.00 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+m] by Cairenn |
| 20:42.02 | AnduinLothar | I have good news tho, the DamageMeters fan update does actually work |
| 20:42.10 | Cairenn | temporary so you guys will hear what I have to say |
| 20:42.27 | Cairenn | don't go thinking that you're safe just because you didn't get kicked like sag |
| 20:42.46 | Cairenn | a number of you are right on the edge, I've been sitting here trying to decide whether to do the same to you as well |
| 20:43.12 | Cairenn | just because zoot is in here it doesn't give you the right to suddenly act like immature inconsiderate jerks |
| 20:43.23 | Cairenn | if anything, this is the time you act better |
| 20:43.48 | Cairenn | we like having Blizz around, we're being given a chance to have even more access than we already have |
| 20:43.51 | Cairenn | stop ruining it |
| 20:44.10 | Cairenn | this is the last warning for a few of you, do it again and you're gone, I'm tired of it |
| 20:44.43 | Cairenn | I believe Zootfizzle wants to say something, when he's done we'll remove the +m |
| 20:45.09 | Zootfizzle | This is only tangentally related to what Cairenn has been saying |
| 20:45.24 | Zootfizzle | You guys have chosen to be part of this community, and I think I can speak for Blizzard when I say we appreciate it |
| 20:45.52 | Zootfizzle | We try to make it pretty clear what addons should and shouldn't be able to do, and some of you actively work to circumvent those limitations |
| 20:46.28 | Zootfizzle | Your efforts are the reasons generally that those limitations exist, and when you put effort into circumventing them, you're choosing to go against the spirit of community we all want |
| 20:46.37 | Zootfizzle | Please don't. |
| 20:46.59 | Zootfizzle | I want to be able to spend my time helping people make addons better |
| 20:47.12 | Zootfizzle | The extent to which that's possible is nearly entirely up to you. |
| 20:47.17 | Zootfizzle | That's all. |
| 20:47.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-m] by Cairenn |
| 20:47.48 | Cairenn | you can talk again |
| 20:47.50 | mikma | <3 |
| 20:47.55 | cncfanatics | cheers for actualy being in the channel Zootfizzle |
| 20:47.58 | cncfanatics | and helping people out |
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| 20:48.30 | Arrowmaster | guessing this was directed at foreverAFK? or did i miss something? |
| 20:48.36 | End | I believe so, yes |
| 20:48.53 | nevcairiel | Probably all the discussions about pixel scanning and date modification too |
| 20:49.18 | cncfanatics | now, I'm going to ask a coding question :p |
| 20:49.22 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 20:49.49 | Josh_Borke | ~asktoask!!!!! |
| 20:49.52 | cncfanatics | currently I have an addon that "makes" a class by having it inherit from a lot of other classes, I'm having issues with different classes that can have same function names, is it worth making code for namespacing ? |
| 20:50.01 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 20:50.11 | Josh_Borke | that sounds super complicated and way more than you need to do cnc |
| 20:50.11 | End | that's not a simple question at all :P |
| 20:50.12 | Iriel | cncfanatics: Beyond just using tables with metatable __indexeS? |
| 20:50.20 | Iriel | cncfanatics: That themselves do the same to their 'parents'? |
| 20:50.31 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: dont try to build multiple inheritance in Lua, it'll always be a issue :) |
| 20:50.43 | Iriel | or taking th eblizzard approach of aggregating the inheritance tree into a composite table |
| 20:50.48 | Iriel | (which is the approach I usually go with too) |
| 20:51.03 | cncfanatics | multiple inheritance is heaven for flexbar |
| 20:51.14 | cncfanatics | each fb module can have its own class that gets added into each button's code |
| 20:51.19 | Xinhuan | or avoid the problem by not making any of the classes share the same function name |
| 20:51.28 | cncfanatics | yea, thats what I do atm Xinhuan |
| 20:51.32 | cncfanatics | but that doesn't feel elegant at all |
| 20:51.39 | Drundia | The annoyance behind automatic logout is conjured items. Depending on when and where you come back it may take some time to get new tasty biscuits. :( |
| 20:51.57 | Xinhuan | well consider mixins in ace2 and ace3, all of them must have function names that don't clash |
| 20:52.01 | Xinhuan | or it wouldn't work |
| 20:52.05 | MentalPower | Drundia: then make a post in the suggestions forum |
| 20:52.06 | Zootfizzle | If you think people use ForeverAFK primarily to save conjured items, you're deluded. |
| 20:52.08 | Xinhuan | since it just copies the function reference over |
| 20:52.10 | cncfanatics | its the same principle for my code Xinhuan |
| 20:52.10 | Drundia | Conjured items keep making me sad :( |
| 20:52.11 | Zootfizzle | And I don't know what to do with you. |
| 20:52.23 | cncfanatics | I do exactly the same as Ace2 or Ace3 would :) |
| 20:52.35 | End | That's why I keep some vendor food around :P |
| 20:52.35 | cncfanatics | but names like "AttributeSpellClass_Register" anoy me |
| 20:52.35 | Drundia | Well, I think servers with queue are other case |
| 20:52.48 | Drundia | and is primary one |
| 20:53.08 | Lunessa | Naruu Rations. 1 stack. |
| 20:53.14 | Zootfizzle | ForeverAFK causes server queues. |
| 20:53.20 | Zootfizzle | It doesn't resolve the issue of their existence. |
| 20:53.24 | End | Lunessa: yeah, that's what I do too |
| 20:53.40 | End | too bad I have to go to that isle to get them :P |
| 20:53.47 | End | but I go there every day anyways |
| 20:54.03 | End | (Actually, I keep two stacks usually) |
| 20:54.09 | cncfanatics | why are server queues even an issue for people anyway ? you can logout and log back in and pass the queue |
| 20:54.09 | Lunessa | End: They aren't Soulbound. Buy a bunch and mail them to an alt. |
| 20:54.13 | End | oooo |
| 20:54.15 | nevcairiel | Does anyone know if there is a specific event if my target changes hostiliy? (Like Illidan on engage - changes from friendly to hostile) |
| 20:54.16 | End | Good thinking |
| 20:54.34 | mikma | what's foreverAFK anyway? |
| 20:54.37 | Lunessa | You can't use them without the rep, but you can stock up. |
| 20:54.41 | End | yeah |
| 20:54.48 | cncfanatics | Mikma: judging from the name, an addon which prevents autoafk from working |
| 20:54.50 | MentalPower | mikma: an exploit to not logout due to AFK |
| 20:55.07 | MentalPower | its on the ace svn if you want to look at it |
| 20:55.15 | mikma | ace.. surprise |
| 20:55.17 | cncfanatics | out of curiosity, how does it work ? |
| 20:55.27 | cncfanatics | does it click the cancel button on the logout box for you ? |
| 20:55.27 | MentalPower | hides the logout frame |
| 20:55.29 | nevcairiel | it just hides the logout frame |
| 20:55.32 | Xinhuan | it works by hiding the staticpopup's logout frame |
| 20:55.51 | Xinhuan | the static popup has a OnHide function that calls CancelLogout() which isn't protected |
| 20:55.52 | cncfanatics | basicly the same affect as clicking the cancel button I guess |
| 20:56.10 | cncfanatics | yet another protected function to add to the list thanks to whatever idiot made it then I guess |
| 20:56.19 | Xinhuan | the game will know you have been idling for 30 minutes though, so every 0.2 seconds it causes the popup to appear again, so every 0.2 seconds you hide it |
| 20:56.49 | Arrowmaster | CancelLogout() isnt protected? does that mean new secure logout popup? |
| 20:56.49 | cncfanatics | basicly it hooks the StaticPopup's OnShow, checks if the staticpopup is the logout frame, and if it is hide it ? |
| 20:57.06 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, making it a protected function wont' fix it ;p |
| 20:57.23 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 20:57.31 | Arrowmaster | oh because you could still close the popup |
| 20:57.35 | Josh_Borke | aw, where'd wobin go? |
| 20:57.37 | Xinhuan | yup |
| 20:57.42 | Josh_Borke | i was going to tell him i'm 75% done with my puzzle |
| 20:57.44 | cncfanatics | fixing it would mean having to make CancelLogout protected + making logout continue even if the popup is hidden |
| 20:57.51 | Krolmor | Ok, timers go beyond my knowledge. I can't seem to make this work... |
| 20:57.59 | Iriel | CancelLogout would just need to require a hardware event. |
| 20:58.01 | Xinhuan | the game should just log you out, without the silly 20 second popup |
| 20:58.02 | Krolmor | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85624 |
| 20:58.07 | Iriel | Then closing it programatically wouldn't help you |
| 20:58.16 | Xinhuan | or require a hardware event as iriel suggested |
| 20:58.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah Iriel's way sounds best |
| 20:58.30 | cncfanatics | is cancellogout () even called ? |
| 20:58.32 | Krolmor | I'm trying to make it so every X seconds it will collect data from a /who, but not really working as intended |
| 20:58.37 | cncfanatics | as I understand it hiding StaticPopup is enough |
| 20:58.44 | Xinhuan | it gets called if you click the cancel button, as a OnHide function |
| 20:58.47 | Josh_Borke | Krolmor: you're not increasing self.timer |
| 20:58.51 | Krolmor | ? |
| 20:58.57 | Josh_Borke | Krolmor: self.time = self.timer + elapsed |
| 20:58.59 | Krolmor | how would I go about doing that X.x |
| 20:59.11 | Josh_Borke | look at line 55 |
| 20:59.16 | Josh_Borke | local timer = self.timer + elapsed |
| 20:59.18 | Krolmor | I thought it would be increased since OnUpdate would be called |
| 20:59.25 | Josh_Borke | you have to increase it |
| 20:59.40 | Josh_Borke | the code i wrote earlier increased it |
| 20:59.51 | Krolmor | ah I get it... let me try it o.o ty |
| 21:01.20 | Arrowmaster | also you have an 'if not self.timer then return end' but when the onupdate succeeds you nil the timer |
| 21:01.43 | nevcairiel | or just stop the OnUpdate |
| 21:01.47 | Krolmor | I thought I should, since the count has to restart, no? |
| 21:01.53 | Lunessa | Krolmor: Also, /who requests are throttled, so make sure to have a sufficiently long wait between batches so you don't lose data |
| 21:02.17 | Krolmor | the timer for the "production" version would be 15 minutes t 2 hours |
| 21:02.26 | Josh_Borke | Krolmor: self.timer = 0 |
| 21:02.55 | Arrowmaster | even then, self.timer starts out nil |
| 21:03.20 | cncfanatics | Zootfizzle: do you mind if I ask you some questions ? I'm wondering why GetCursorInfo() doesn't return anything if a pet spell is on the cursor and why there is a general lack of API for pet spells |
| 21:03.21 | Drundia | I think it would be great also if we could just get all who results in one query ;) |
| 21:03.37 | Krolmor | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85625 |
| 21:03.41 | Krolmor | I think I didn't get it right |
| 21:04.19 | Josh_Borke | Krolmor: self.time is waht? don'at you mean self.timer? |
| 21:04.39 | Krolmor | it's called "dumbass mistake" :) |
| 21:04.52 | cncfanatics | Krolmor: that happens to everyone :p damn evil typos |
| 21:04.56 | Josh_Borke | you typed it, not me ;-) |
| 21:05.49 | Krolmor | erm, consider them both with self.timer names now heh |
| 21:05.57 | Krolmor | it doesnt get the message to pop up either way |
| 21:06.39 | Lunessa | I used to do code reviews for C and C++ code while working in QA ... most "bugs" turned out to be typos. And in my own code, most of my bugs tend to be from typos in variable/function names. |
| 21:07.06 | Krolmor | ah |
| 21:07.10 | cncfanatics | the anoying thing of typo bugs is that often they're valid code and it actualy compiles and links |
| 21:07.14 | cncfanatics | but crashes at run time :( |
| 21:07.28 | Krolmor | its bugegd to hell. he goes through the if not self.timer line and gets out |
| 21:07.42 | *** part/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 21:08.14 | Krolmor | the problem is, i don't get what "if ( not self.timer ) " actually means |
| 21:08.29 | cncfanatics | if self.Timer == nil or self.Timer == false |
| 21:08.35 | lagger | it means self.timer is nil |
| 21:08.36 | cncfanatics | would have the exact same effect |
| 21:08.46 | Hirsute | Krolmor: It say to only execute the code if self.timer is something other than nil/false |
| 21:09.00 | Krolmor | then I probably didn't initialize it? |
| 21:09.13 | Drundia | yes probably |
| 21:09.13 | cncfanatics | indeed Krolmor |
| 21:09.14 | Hirsute | Rather, if selftimer is nil or false |
| 21:09.16 | cncfanatics | or it got nilled somewhere |
| 21:10.31 | Krolmor | BLAST IT WORKS |
| 21:10.35 | Krolmor | O_O |
| 21:11.06 | Krolmor | ty good peoples of wowui |
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| 21:17.09 | Josh_Borke | finito! |
| 21:17.41 | Josh_Borke | 300 piece puzzle of doom completed |
| 21:19.04 | End | What sort of doom? |
| 21:19.09 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster, you are using git for your addons, right? |
| 21:19.16 | Josh_Borke | i'm looking for a link online |
| 21:19.22 | Arrowmaster | wereHamster: starting to |
| 21:19.40 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster, how do you work around the missing svn:external feature? |
| 21:19.48 | Josh_Borke | end: it's a puzzle that changse what it looks like based on how you look at it |
| 21:19.53 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: don't use externals :-P |
| 21:19.53 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I'm considering to start reusing linux just for git myself |
| 21:20.06 | End | o_O |
| 21:20.11 | Arrowmaster | git has submodules i think theyre called |
| 21:20.16 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, difficult with all these libraries around |
| 21:20.19 | Josh_Borke | end: not drastically mind you, but enough |
| 21:20.27 | Josh_Borke | wereHamster: develop against a single version of the library imo |
| 21:22.28 | cncfanatics | or write your own :) |
| 21:23.01 | Josh_Borke | no, not write your own :-P |
| 21:23.09 | wereHamster | I use my own libraries in my projects, but somehow I have to sync the project files when I update the library |
| 21:23.51 | Zariel | git submodules is what you use, its pretty hand. yet havent tried using it from an svn source yet |
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| 21:24.15 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it would work with a pure svn source |
| 21:24.34 | Arrowmaster | but you can use git-svn with it i think |
| 21:24.46 | Zariel | yeah |
| 21:25.47 | Lunessa | 30 minutes to go... |
| 21:25.54 | Lunessa | So tired. |
| 21:27.40 | Josh_Borke | i don't like submodules |
| 21:27.43 | Josh_Borke | they confuse me |
| 21:27.52 | AlexanderYoshi | El Torito Grill = pwn |
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| 21:30.25 | kd3 | mmm |
| 21:31.05 | AlexanderYoshi | yes |
| 21:31.37 | nevcairiel | el torito? |
| 21:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | El Torito? |
| 21:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
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| 21:32.20 | nevcairiel | googling reveals its a restaurang in california |
| 21:32.27 | nevcairiel | no wonder i dont know it .P |
| 21:32.28 | kd3 | bah. I haven't had good mexican in a while. guess I'll do that tonight for dinner |
| 21:32.30 | Lunessa | And it's pretty good. |
| 21:32.53 | wereHamster | isn't el torito where the CD el torito standard was first drafted? |
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| 21:33.07 | Lunessa | But I live in the nation of Texas, and no where else int he world can you get great tex-Mex. :D |
| 21:33.13 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: in the restaurant? |
| 21:33.17 | wereHamster | yes |
| 21:33.43 | wereHamster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Torito_(CD-ROM_standard) |
| 21:34.34 | cncfanatics | long live belgium ! |
| 21:34.55 | Lunessa | a smoke and a pancake? |
| 21:36.27 | Lopeppeppy | I need KFC now, thank guys! |
| 21:36.31 | Polarina | Honestly, when you people behave and have worked hard to have Zootfizzle come in here, you immediately rush into doing almost anything you can to get rid of Zootfizzle and then you start whining about why he won't come back here. It's quiet obvious for most of us that we're better of without him here if you people keep acting like a child. :( |
| 21:36.55 | mikma | him, or her? |
| 21:37.13 | kd3 | I'm just gonna wait for the purl log... should be up in an hour or so |
| 21:37.27 | Krolmor | lua arrays are 0-based or 1-based? i made an array of zone names and a senwho with zonearray[0] argument and it worked X.x |
| 21:37.35 | cncfanatics | Krolmor: 1 |
| 21:37.37 | mikma | eventho i was here, i have no idea what has happened. |
| 21:37.48 | Krolmor | that... really shouldn't have worked then.... |
| 21:37.49 | mikma | all i know is sag is gone! |
| 21:37.50 | cncfanatics | but [0] is valid, but default lua won't use it |
| 21:37.59 | Krolmor | ah okay, ty :) |
| 21:38.02 | cncfanatics | tinsert(table, value) will start at one |
| 21:38.28 | Josh_Borke | Polarina: i don't know what you're talking about, i acted the same way i always ack |
| 21:38.52 | Josh_Borke | ack, i can't spell/type |
| 21:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack, afk again :( |
| 21:39.24 | Cide | Krolmor: www.lua.org/pil |
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| 21:40.24 | Polarina | Josh_Borke: The message is to those whom "own" it. |
| 21:42.09 | Iriel | Krolmor: Lua doesn't really have 'arrays' per se, it has tables which allow you to use almost anything as a key (strings, numbers (whole and floating point), functions, tables, etc). there is some internal optimization if you use them in an "array style" with a 1-based index though. |
| 21:43.45 | Tem | Iriel, it so could have an array though |
| 21:44.05 | Drundia | I also tested those optimizations and I have to say that they'd rather weren't there... I timed some stuff and it made me sad. |
| 21:44.24 | Iriel | Drundia: Eh? They're very effective. |
| 21:44.40 | Tem | I'm tempted to spend the rest of my afternoon writing a simple array and binding it to Lua |
| 21:45.03 | Drundia | well, i tested access times to random indices |
| 21:45.04 | Iriel | Tem: Yes, if you know the language deeply enough it can be worth talking about the array part and hash part.. but I think for newcomers to the language that can be confusing. |
| 21:45.16 | Drundia | if integers are accessed in hash table they are very inefficient |
| 21:45.23 | Drundia | accessing t[1] and t['a'] is about the same |
| 21:45.27 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:45.32 | Iriel | It's not "about the same" |
| 21:45.34 | Iriel | it's "the same" |
| 21:45.35 | Tem | Iriel, I meant a littleral array |
| 21:45.47 | Drundia | maybe creation is more efficient, maybe some storage |
| 21:45.52 | Tem | like, userdata |
| 21:45.56 | Iriel | Your test was likely flawed |
| 21:46.03 | Drundia | could be :) |
| 21:46.19 | Iriel | if you do that in an array style table (i.e. allocated with consecutive integer indices starting at 1, without holes) then you'd find they're much faster |
| 21:47.13 | cncfanatics | it makes sense doesn't it ? |
| 21:47.20 | Drundia | sadly sadly. but the tests were very simple in that they usually had only one element |
| 21:47.38 | cncfanatics | I supose lua has an array of pointers somewhere in C if the table isn't in array style |
| 21:47.40 | cncfanatics | ? |
| 21:47.49 | Iriel | WEll, one element in the middle of the possible index space would be a VERY space inneficient array |
| 21:47.54 | Drundia | and accessing t[1] created by t={[1]=true} was much slower than accessing t[1] created by t={true} |
| 21:48.03 | Iriel | Right |
| 21:48.09 | Iriel | that's because luac tries to be clever |
| 21:48.19 | Iriel | have you ever wondered why wow writes its SV's the way it does? |
| 21:48.24 | Drundia | i bet ;) |
| 21:48.29 | Drundia | yes it's faster |
| 21:48.32 | Drundia | to read in |
| 21:48.34 | Drundia | or something |
| 21:48.37 | MentalPower | no |
| 21:48.39 | Drundia | there was some performance gain |
| 21:48.41 | Iriel | 5.1 introduced an optimization for literal table creation |
| 21:48.54 | Iriel | which works unless you happen to create array style tables with hash style indexing |
| 21:49.04 | Iriel | X = { [1] = "a", [2] = "b", [3] = "c" } |
| 21:49.13 | Iriel | creates a table with three HASH cells, and populates it |
| 21:49.18 | Iriel | X = { "a", "b", "c" } |
| 21:49.30 | Iriel | Creates a table with three ARRAY cells, and populates it |
| 21:49.30 | cncfanatics | luac should get optimized some imho |
| 21:49.47 | Iriel | well, generally if you're creating literal tables you shoyuld know what you're doing |
| 21:49.48 | Drundia | Add after that X[4]="d" and it will most likely revert it to array. Hmmm...... There was something strange around there when I tested |
| 21:50.10 | Iriel | Once lua has to expand a table it's pretty smart about balancing hash and array parts |
| 21:50.23 | AlexanderYoshi | I LOVE LUA |
| 21:50.24 | AlexanderYoshi | that is all |
| 21:50.26 | Iriel | X = {}; X[1] = "a"; X[2] = "b"; X[3] = "c"; will turn out right |
| 21:50.36 | Drundia | yes i had the same results |
| 21:50.43 | Drundia | t={}; t[1]=true was good |
| 21:50.46 | cncfanatics | I like lua most of the tyme, but the compiler needs to do some optimization |
| 21:50.46 | Iriel | though it's slightly more wasteful in that it has to re-allocate during expansion |
| 21:50.52 | Drundia | with fast access to t[1] |
| 21:51.07 | Iriel | the compiler is pretty smart, the optimization in 5.1 IS much better in the general case than the 5.0 one |
| 21:51.15 | Iriel | because for large tables in 5.0 it would generate a lot of garbage |
| 21:51.28 | Iriel | (well, not technically garbage, more "memory reallocations") |
| 21:52.02 | Drundia | did it reallocate for every element? :O |
| 21:52.06 | Mikk | nono |
| 21:52.15 | Drundia | exponential? |
| 21:52.29 | Drundia | like 1 -> 2 -> 4 -> 8? |
| 21:52.40 | Iriel | Yeah, binary exponential |
| 21:52.57 | Iriel | They still do if you create them incrementally |
| 21:53.06 | Iriel | But literal tables are optimized to be exactly the size you ask for |
| 21:53.18 | Iriel | The basis there being that if they're being used as immutable input data for something you waste nothing. |
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| 21:53.35 | Iriel | The WoW SV generator tries to maintain the same array/hash balance as the original data. |
| 21:53.45 | Iriel | (more or less, anyway) |
| 21:54.18 | cncfanatics | does anyone know an OS with native reiser4 support ? |
| 21:54.45 | MentalPower | cncfanatics: re-compile the linux kernel? |
| 21:54.59 | cncfanatics | I'm going to do a fresh linux install in a few hours |
| 21:55.09 | cncfanatics | it'd be the handyest thing if I could get reiser4 at install |
| 21:55.27 | Xinhuan | iriel, do you know if adding all the -- [20] comments at the end of each element of a numeric tables slow down loading the SVs? :) |
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| 21:56.20 | Xinhuan | they do inflate the SV size by quite a bit, but i'm not sure if parsing all the comments take up any significant amount of time |
| 21:56.23 | Iriel | Xinhuan: It'll slightly increase I/O and parse time, but they're there to make it easier to debug problems. I know i asked for them to be included, not sure if others did too. |
| 21:56.48 | Iriel | You could time it outside of wow I'm sur |
| 21:56.49 | Iriel | +e |
| 21:56.58 | cncfanatics | arent comments discarded at compiletime ? |
| 21:57.16 | Xinhuan | the parse has to parse them out first |
| 21:57.17 | Iriel | if it makes a serious difference then we could always ask to have it reduced to maybe only every 10 |
| 21:57.19 | Xinhuan | parser* |
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| 21:57.45 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: if you start to worry about performence from parsing out comments in code there's a problem :p |
| 21:57.51 | cncfanatics | uncomment all your code ! |
| 21:57.51 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 21:57.56 | Iriel | I dont find 'array style' SV's to be noticably longer to load than 'hash style' ones, which dont have the comments. |
| 21:57.59 | Iriel | But who know. |
| 21:58.05 | Iriel | I know I have NOT benchmarked that |
| 21:58.09 | Iriel | (yet) 8-) |
| 21:58.21 | Xinhuan | do it! (when you are free and bored!) |
| 21:59.12 | Drundia | Maybe we could get option to pick how SV are stored. Maybe even making them compiled lua code. |
| 21:59.26 | Iriel | WoW will never load compiled code |
| 21:59.31 | Iriel | it'll always have to be source |
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| 22:01.44 | Lunessa | Run-time execution only. compiled code = bad in this case. |
| 22:03.08 | Drundia | oh noes evil wow loadstring doesn't seem to load string.dump'ed code as it is supposed to in real lua according to lua manual :( |
| 22:03.17 | Shirik | of course not |
| 22:03.20 | Shirik | its been removed |
| 22:03.25 | Shirik | (that capability) |
| 22:03.49 | MentalPower | it was used in beta (wow beta, not BC beta) to obfuscate nasty code |
| 22:04.15 | Xinhuan | wow will also refuse to run any "executable code" in your SVs :) |
| 22:04.29 | Xinhuan | so you can't sneak something in there |
| 22:04.47 | Drundia | you can't put some cool functions there? |
| 22:04.54 | MentalPower | correct |
| 22:04.56 | Drundia | :( |
| 22:05.08 | MentalPower | specifically in the base UI's SavedVariables.lua file |
| 22:05.08 | Xinhuan | can't evaluate anything in it basically |
| 22:05.13 | Drundia | i remember putting some simple arithmetics in SV and it worked. was very long ago though |
| 22:05.23 | MentalPower | Drundia: it was removed in 2.0 |
| 22:05.23 | Drundia | but in 2.x already i think |
| 22:05.49 | Iriel | Xinhuan: Actually that's not true |
| 22:06.03 | Iriel | It runs USER SV's just fine |
| 22:06.08 | Iriel | it just doesn't run the SYSTEM SV's that way |
| 22:06.14 | Xinhuan | oh? what's allowed? |
| 22:06.21 | Drundia | system SV is secure? |
| 22:06.27 | Iriel | yes |
| 22:06.38 | Iriel | system SV is parsed by some C++ code, not executed as lua |
| 22:06.43 | Xinhuan | i meant the system SVs of course |
| 22:06.45 | Iriel | (they're small and simple, so it's not an issue) |
| 22:06.52 | Xinhuan | user SVs are of little interest lol |
| 22:07.06 | Xinhuan | since its always nonsecure in the first place |
| 22:07.37 | Iriel | Well, it is now 8-) |
| 22:07.48 | Drundia | i want pre-2.0 addon power back :( |
| 22:08.07 | MentalPower | not gonna happen :) |
| 22:08.18 | Drundia | never say never |
| 22:08.27 | Kirov | never |
| 22:08.37 | Lunessa | NEVAR |
| 22:09.01 | Drundia | we already had zillion vulnerabilities fixed around |
| 22:09.14 | Drundia | no one knows how many more lurk there |
| 22:09.18 | Yssaril | Drundia, before 2.0 you could write an addon that could do everything for you so you could technically set it on go and it would farm for you till yoru lvl capped :P |
| 22:09.19 | Cide | ... |
| 22:09.41 | Drundia | movement was disallowed way before 2.0 |
| 22:09.47 | Cide | and exactly HOW is it better to open up all exploits, rather than fixing the few that still remain? |
| 22:09.56 | Iriel | automation was pretty well locked down long before 2.0 |
| 22:10.00 | Iriel | decision making is what 2.0 took away |
| 22:10.06 | Iriel | (i.e. decursive) |
| 22:10.24 | Iriel | My guess is there aren't that many vulnerabilities out there |
| 22:10.35 | Iriel | there are enough well intentioned smart people who haven't found any lately |
| 22:10.45 | Drundia | i still say that old thing that such addons were somewhat needed due to limitations of input and output devices and not having them plugged directly into brain |
| 22:11.00 | Cide | and who cares about your opinion, exactly? |
| 22:11.02 | Iriel | Desirable, perhaps, needed, never |
| 22:11.16 | Cide | I agree with Iriel |
| 22:11.22 | magdain | There's nothing in wow so complex that you need more than what's currently available. |
| 22:11.24 | Cide | most people use addons because they make it easier |
| 22:11.27 | Cide | not necessarily more fun |
| 22:11.29 | magdain | And most of what is available today is overkill. |
| 22:11.31 | Drundia | there are complex things |
| 22:11.37 | Drundia | too many spells for example |
| 22:11.49 | Cide | lies |
| 22:11.54 | Drundia | it's impossible to bind them nicely or position action buttons nicely |
| 22:11.58 | Cide | lies |
| 22:12.06 | Lunessa | Ok folks... I'm out. Going home. See you Tuesday. |
| 22:12.11 | Cide | you just don't want to make the effort |
| 22:12.23 | magdain | I'd disagree. I miss some convenience making decisions.. mostly on ranked spells. |
| 22:12.26 | magdain | But other than that.. |
| 22:12.27 | magdain | meh. |
| 22:12.38 | Cide | ranked spells have been pretty phased out |
| 22:12.51 | foxlit | Blizzard has single handedly killed the market for those dunking bird things! |
| 22:12.51 | Cide | in the cases that they haven't, it's the Right Thing(tm) that the player has to make the decision |
| 22:13.01 | magdain | I hate having two binds or switching buttons for rank1/max roots between pve and pvp. :P |
| 22:13.14 | Drundia | player makes decision anyway, it's just that brain is faster than hands |
| 22:13.16 | Cide | you can use max roots in pvp just fine |
| 22:13.20 | Drundia | and hands are also faster than eyes |
| 22:13.30 | magdain | It's not particularly smart though. |
| 22:13.36 | foxlit | considering how cheap ET is anyway |
| 22:13.44 | foxlit | I mean 160 mana? |
| 22:13.47 | Drundia | higher rank break faster |
| 22:13.49 | Cide | Drundia: what you're asking for is for another entity to make the decisions; addons |
| 22:14.08 | foxlit | Drundia: I don't buy that. |
| 22:14.22 | Drundia | wt plug input device into brain |
| 22:14.26 | Iriel | The comments make a little less than a 3% difference |
| 22:14.49 | Iriel | testing with a 1700 line input file loaded a thousand times |
| 22:15.06 | Xinhuan | 3% hmm i guess that's not very significant then |
| 22:15.30 | Iriel | Removing the prettyprint spaces is more significant |
| 22:15.32 | Xinhuan | i was just wondering if loading up a 20 mb auctioneer file and a 20 mb lootlink file would be any slower/faster (example sizes) |
| 22:15.43 | Xinhuan | for savedvars |
| 22:15.48 | Drundia | oh yes 20 mb files |
| 22:15.54 | Iriel | So my guess is the saving is almost directly because of the file size |
| 22:16.02 | Xinhuan | are your test examples that big? |
| 22:16.15 | Iriel | so removing the comments would make the file size smaller and thus make it load faster |
| 22:16.21 | Iriel | but there's no inherent slowness by them being COMMENTS |
| 22:16.27 | Drundia | my lootlink is only 3 mb with almost 121k lines |
| 22:16.35 | Iriel | my test example files are fairly small, but i'm loading them repeatedly |
| 22:16.35 | Xinhuan | right |
| 22:16.49 | Xinhuan | well my lootlink is 20 mb with 70 items or so heh |
| 22:16.49 | Kirov | Drundia - which version of lootlink |
| 22:17.00 | Xinhuan | saeris's old version |
| 22:17.02 | Drundia | let me try to check |
| 22:17.11 | Xinhuan | 70k* items |
| 22:17.32 | Drundia | i have only 20k items :( |
| 22:17.38 | Xinhuan | although technically, if i'm that much concerned, i wouldn't be using lootlink |
| 22:18.20 | Tem | why does anyone still use lootlink? |
| 22:18.41 | Xinhuan | i use it to search for text in items |
| 22:18.52 | Xinhuan | that may no longer be in my local cache |
| 22:19.07 | Tem | I spose |
| 22:19.09 | Xinhuan | for example if i'm trying to remember the name of an item that has a certain On Use effect |
| 22:19.16 | Tem | I just wowhead those |
| 22:19.19 | Xinhuan | i would search for keywords i remember was in the tooltip text |
| 22:19.59 | Xinhuan | does wowhead allow searching the full tooltip text? i didn't really check if they had such options |
| 22:20.42 | Tem | yes? |
| 22:20.43 | magdain | Nah. |
| 22:20.47 | Tem | I know they do for spells |
| 22:21.00 | Tem | but I don't remember for items because I don't really ever do that |
| 22:21.07 | magdain | Well, I just search "Holy Energy." It returned the spell, but not the item. |
| 22:21.09 | Tem | their filter system is /really/ powerful |
| 22:21.23 | magdain | And if you know the buff an item gives by name, you probably know the item's name. :P |
| 22:21.33 | magdain | Although yeah, their filter system is effective. |
| 22:21.50 | Xinhuan | well, i'm saying there are times you know what an item does but not remember its name |
| 22:22.02 | Krolmor | more timer problems... |
| 22:22.03 | Drundia | too bad many items do the same |
| 22:22.04 | Krolmor | -.- |
| 22:22.21 | Xinhuan | some are pretty unique still |
| 22:22.27 | magdain | 8:22] <Drundia> too bad many items do the same |
| 22:22.37 | magdain | true, but narrowing down from 70k to 5-20 or whatever.. |
| 22:22.44 | Krolmor | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85631 -> I'm trying to throtte the sendwho's, but apparently an ordinary function has problems with elapsed values |
| 22:22.47 | magdain | And seeing the item name will probably refresh your memory. |
| 22:22.47 | Drundia | depends on how unique item is |
| 22:22.50 | Krolmor | throttle* |
| 22:22.58 | Xinhuan | an example would be, searching for "increases your riding speed" to find all the items that do that |
| 22:23.24 | MentalPower | Krolmor: check censusplus |
| 22:23.34 | MentalPower | they do who galore in there |
| 22:23.54 | magdain | Like you said, it's not a life-or-death issue if you're not having performance issues. But you could probably find those items with wowhead filters. |
| 22:24.01 | magdain | So whatever works for you. |
| 22:24.05 | Iriel | Krolmor: How exactly does that throttle anything? |
| 22:24.24 | Krolmor | well, it doesnt right now eh. |
| 22:24.30 | Iriel | you always start the loop at the beginning |
| 22:24.38 | Iriel | Have you considered doing this with a coroutine? |
| 22:24.52 | Iriel | essentially keep your main loop, but have a coroutine yield after each SendWho |
| 22:24.58 | Iriel | then you resume it when it's time to send another one |
| 22:25.11 | Krolmor | i was trying to create a timer that would wait X seconds between every iteration of the while loop to send the first who at Y zone, then wait X seconds, then do the second who on the second zone, etc |
| 22:25.22 | Iriel | that'd be a million times easier to code than trying to maintain all your search state outside |
| 22:26.02 | Xinhuan | coroutines are more difficult to debug ;p |
| 22:26.21 | dylanm | It doesn't sound too bad in this case. |
| 22:26.22 | Krolmor | do you mean the equivalent of putting in an empty for i\with a billion iterations to kill time? |
| 22:26.26 | Xinhuan | no stack traces |
| 22:26.42 | MentalPower | what about stack traces? |
| 22:26.45 | Xinhuan | no, that would hang wow |
| 22:26.47 | MentalPower | you can do stack traces now |
| 22:26.51 | MentalPower | in coroutines |
| 22:26.53 | Xinhuan | oh that's right |
| 22:26.57 | Xinhuan | i forgot that last patch change |
| 22:26.59 | MentalPower | :) |
| 22:27.43 | AlexanderYoshi | I LOVE STACK TRACES |
| 22:27.48 | AlexanderYoshi | that is all |
| 22:27.58 | MentalPower | me too |
| 22:28.09 | MentalPower | thats why I asked for them in coroutines :) |
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| 22:35.33 | foxlit | New badge vendor == awesome griefing opportunity |
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| 22:36.14 | kd3 | it was amusing what some GMs did to protect her on the live realms... something to the effect of buffing her with a PBAoE that nigh-killed players if they stood in the light |
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| 22:38.26 | nevcairiel | kd3: yeah that L4 Arcane Charge spell they stole from the BT mobs :D |
| 22:38.34 | nevcairiel | ftw :) |
| 22:39.40 | Drundia | people should just adopt my cool GetTargetNameplate() function and then SetWidth() or SetHeight() on it.... or if lucky enough SetAllPoints()..... |
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| 22:48.07 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 22:54.37 | foxlit | One has to wonder what happened to L2/L3 Arcane Charge |
| 22:54.51 | foxlit | (and whether or not I get my AoE Moonfire aura in wotlk!) |
| 22:55.33 | Polarina | kd3: PBAoE? |
| 22:55.41 | kd3 | point blank AoE |
| 22:55.42 | foxlit | point blank |
| 22:55.44 | zenzelezz | this looks familiar in some way... http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/11/funny-pictures-sloe-death-by-a-boring-meeting/ |
| 22:55.59 | Polarina | That is? |
| 22:56.29 | kd3 | aoe spells centered on the caster... frostnova, blastwave, arcane explosion, etc |
| 22:56.53 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/PBAoE |
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| 22:57.14 | foxlit | meh, though |
| 22:57.18 | nevcairiel | actually the L4 Charge is no PBAoE .. it just hapens to be placed on that NPC :P |
| 22:57.27 | foxlit | "standing in the light" == ground targeted AoE |
| 22:57.37 | foxlit | It's only PBAoE if she casts it! |
| 22:58.07 | kd3 | meh, I've never actually seen the spell, just screenshots |
| 22:58.21 | nevcairiel | its a funny solution though |
| 22:58.56 | Polarina | :) |
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| 22:59.03 | JoshBorke | what exactly does that mean anyway, if there's an aoe doesn't that make her useless? |
| 22:59.04 | Polarina | =Ã |
| 22:59.18 | kd3 | you can stand outside the light and still interact with her |
| 22:59.25 | JoshBorke | ah, ok |
| 22:59.27 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: its like 2 yards in diameter, so you cant block her, but still itneract |
| 22:59.38 | JoshBorke | they should do that everywhere :-D |
| 22:59.43 | JoshBorke | Zootfizzle: wb |
| 22:59.51 | Zootfizzle | JoshBorke: TY ;) |
| 22:59.52 | kd3 | I was really hoping that they were going to fix the rest of the mobs like they did the ones in the sanctum |
| 23:00.00 | kd3 | on a platform with collision |
| 23:00.06 | JoshBorke | agreed kd3 |
| 23:00.11 | JoshBorke | don't see why they don't do it with her |
| 23:00.20 | nevcairiel | NPCs should have optional model collision without crazy platforms |
| 23:00.35 | JoshBorke | whoa, that's crazy talk nev |
| 23:01.09 | MentalPower | kd3: that would require a client patch |
| 23:01.11 | nevcairiel | a MMORPG with a full collision model would probably be fun =P |
| 23:01.17 | Polarina | Good night, sleep tight. :) |
| 23:01.23 | Drundia | full collision model is too much |
| 23:01.23 | JoshBorke | nn Polarina |
| 23:01.23 | kd3 | I did! |
| 23:01.27 | Drundia | but stationary npcs |
| 23:01.28 | MentalPower | Zootfizzle: does the feedbackui work in live? |
| 23:01.32 | Drundia | should surely have it |
| 23:01.32 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: if by fun you mean insane |
| 23:01.35 | foxlit | You'd just have a different brand of griefing |
| 23:01.42 | foxlit | Instead of making it hard to click on things |
| 23:01.46 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: The FeedbackUI is only provided on the PTR. |
| 23:01.47 | Zootfizzle | MP: No =/ |
| 23:01.48 | foxlit | People could actually prevent you from getting anywhere |
| 23:02.03 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: I seem to distinctly remember 2.4 being on the PTR ;) |
| 23:02.12 | Drundia | ideally in pvp situations collision could be there as well, but there should be definition of viable pvp situations where collision would apply |
| 23:02.25 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: But do the functions ReportBug and ReportSuggestion actually do something on the live realms? |
| 23:02.32 | nevcairiel | the armory NPC spawned so late on the PTR that the masses already stopped going there |
| 23:02.34 | JoshBorke | just makes same faction griefing worse |
| 23:02.37 | Zootfizzle | Nope, not at this time |
| 23:02.43 | Zootfizzle | For storage reasons |
| 23:03.09 | JoshBorke | meh, the light on the ground is more fun imo |
| 23:03.13 | Shirik | Lua hates me |
| 23:03.17 | kd3 | nah. the first few weeks when the devs spawned her for us were insane |
| 23:03.18 | JoshBorke | you can have someone follow you and you can kill them! |
| 23:03.21 | Yssaril | to create a keybind do i have to declare a bindings.xml file or can i do it all in lua? |
| 23:03.24 | nevcairiel | We're with Lua on that one |
| 23:03.25 | kd3 | with skeletons everywhere |
| 23:03.26 | zenzelezz | Shirik: it knows you have been cheating on it with C++ |
| 23:03.27 | Polarina | Shirik: It'll do that. :) |
| 23:03.28 | JoshBorke | Yssaril: bindings.xml |
| 23:03.35 | JoshBorke | ~failrik |
| 23:03.36 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:03.39 | Yssaril | JoshBorke, ty |
| 23:03.45 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Actually its more that it knows Ive been using Windows |
| 23:03.49 | Shirik | Unhandled exception at 0x77aa04a2 in Lua5.1.3.exe: 0xC0000008: An invalid handle was specified. |
| 23:03.49 | Shirik | First-chance exception at 0x719221b3 (filum.dll) in Lua5.1.3.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x00000004. |
| 23:03.55 | JoshBorke | shirik: i hate your ' |
| 23:04.06 | nevcairiel | kd3: why do US people get so much GM/Dev love, its unfair! :( |
| 23:04.19 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: because we came first |
| 23:04.20 | Polarina | nevcairiel: They did it in EU too. |
| 23:04.27 | JoshBorke | :-D |
| 23:04.27 | Yssaril | bindings.xml dosnt have to be referenced in the toc right it loads automatically? |
| 23:04.33 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Because the US > EU |
| 23:04.34 | Shirik | obviously |
| 23:04.34 | Drundia | I have yet to see alive dev in EU forums |
| 23:04.37 | JoshBorke | Yssaril: pretty sure yes |
| 23:04.38 | Iriel | Yssaril: Yes |
| 23:04.39 | kd3 | yss; yeah |
| 23:04.40 | Shirik | lua> return [[US]] > [[EU]] |
| 23:04.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 23:04.44 | Shirik | proof. |
| 23:04.48 | kd3 | lol |
| 23:04.48 | Polarina | WTF? |
| 23:04.49 | nevcairiel | Shirik: thats what all US people wish :) |
| 23:04.50 | Iriel | In fact you DONT want to reference Bindings.xml in the toc |
| 23:04.58 | JoshBorke | Drundia: i have seen blue posts in eu forums |
| 23:05.03 | Drundia | blue posts |
| 23:05.04 | Yssaril | Iriel, what happens if you do? |
| 23:05.07 | Drundia | it's all CMs |
| 23:05.15 | Shirik | Yssaril: It yells at you for invalid elements |
| 23:05.16 | Polarina | lua> return [[EU]] < [[US]] |
| 23:05.16 | lua_bot | Polarina: true |
| 23:05.21 | Iriel | Yssaril: I think it tries to parse it like it was a UI file |
| 23:05.24 | Drundia | and in fact even they are very rare in English forums |
| 23:05.32 | Polarina | lua_bot: return [[EU]] > [[US]] |
| 23:05.32 | lua_bot | Polarina: false |
| 23:05.34 | Yssaril | ahh |
| 23:05.36 | Drundia | they show up more in other languages though |
| 23:05.40 | Iriel | The underlying issue is that Blizzard us a US based company |
| 23:05.42 | foxlit | http://blue.cardplace.com/blue_results1.htm |
| 23:05.48 | foxlit | zomgitsalleu, someone fix it! |
| 23:06.04 | JoshBorke | Zootfizzle: what are teh chances of getting the server to return its date? :-D |
| 23:06.27 | Iriel | .... /dump GetCurrentServerDate() |
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| 23:06.32 | Iriel | [1] "today" |
| 23:06.36 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
| 23:06.48 | Shirik | batrick: Do you have any good test Lua files? |
| 23:06.48 | JoshBorke | Iriel: :-( |
| 23:06.58 | batrick | the ones in /test |
| 23:07.05 | batrick | that's all i got... |
| 23:07.07 | Shirik | wheres that o.o |
| 23:07.12 | Drundia | i think they have quite a lot of things done around european offices, not just cms and gms hanging there |
| 23:07.20 | batrick | filumlunaris/trunk/test |
| 23:07.59 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: You are welcome to share with us some of your addons if you'd like. :) |
| 23:08.01 | Polarina | Good night. |
| 23:08.02 | Drundia | but no one ever cares about us poor european people :( |
| 23:08.15 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 23:08.17 | Shirik | there really is a test folder |
| 23:08.19 | Shirik | dododo |
| 23:08.53 | Polarina | sudo rm -fr filumlunaris/trunk/test |
| 23:09.10 | Shirik | sudo is an unrecognized command, executable, or batch file |
| 23:09.20 | Shirik | actually I take that back, I have sudo installed on windows |
| 23:09.26 | Polarina | Shirik: apt-get install sudo |
| 23:09.33 | Shirik | 'rm' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 23:09.33 | Shirik | operable program or batch file. |
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| 23:09.36 | Krolmor | managed it all :D |
| 23:09.42 | Krolmor | ty for your help folks |
| 23:09.48 | nevcairiel | ~failrik |
| 23:09.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:09.59 | Shirik | #define rm del |
| 23:10.18 | nevcairiel | everyone needs to install gnu utils on their windows! |
| 23:10.26 | Iriel | Krolmor: yay |
| 23:10.27 | Polarina | Shirik: sudo halt || sudo shutdown |
| 23:10.52 | Shirik | wow |
| 23:10.54 | Shirik | that pissed off my computer |
| 23:11.03 | batrick | shirik |
| 23:11.06 | batrick | what'd u break this time |
| 23:11.13 | Shirik | nothing |
| 23:11.18 | Shirik | minor mistake |
| 23:11.26 | Corrodias | as he frantically tries to halt the self-destruct |
| 23:11.32 | kd3 | it's windows... there are "minor mistakes"? |
| 23:11.46 | Shirik | of course |
| 23:11.49 | Shirik | theyre called blue screens |
| 23:11.58 | Corrodias | it has to be pretty major to cause one of those |
| 23:12.06 | Shirik | nah |
| 23:12.17 | Shirik | major is this |
| 23:12.19 | nevcairiel | depends on your version of windows really |
| 23:12.22 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: got a Jira project for Chatter, yet? |
| 23:12.51 | nevcairiel | if windows decides to stop and require a hard reboot, i would consider it a major error though |
| 23:12.56 | Corrodias | well, i haven't seen one myself in, like, 8 years except for 1) when my ram went bad and started corrupting data and 2) some odd driver bug long in the past |
| 23:13.03 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4ba4b14cebd00e336d51ebffb2aa5ffb.PNG |
| 23:13.05 | Shirik | Thats major |
| 23:13.18 | kd3 | wth? |
| 23:13.20 | foxlit | DEP, though |
| 23:13.24 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 23:13.24 | foxlit | That's minor. |
| 23:13.27 | nevcairiel | thats just a Vista bug with DEP |
| 23:13.32 | Shirik | actually that was XP :P |
| 23:13.54 | nevcairiel | you turned on DEP for all programs on XP? |
| 23:13.57 | Shirik | yup |
| 23:14.00 | MaienM | and a lot of major ones, too |
| 23:14.02 | Shirik | no real reason not to |
| 23:14.58 | Corrodias | i have it on for all except ones that won't run without it, the list of which comprises mostly games |
| 23:15.14 | Shirik | ah yeah, I have one program excepted |
| 23:15.23 | Shirik | one of my disassemblers does something strange I have to disable it |
| 23:15.52 | zenzelezz | one of your? You use many? |
| 23:16.01 | Shirik | yup |
| 23:16.08 | Corrodias | continuum, FEAR, epsxe, GTA:SA, half-life, homeworld 2. that's it for now. |
| 23:16.08 | Shirik | want to see my start menu? :P |
| 23:16.36 | zenzelezz | I have no interest in your "start menu", but thanks for offering... I guess |
| 23:16.59 | foxlit | Mac-fanboy ranting: it's amazing how useless "start menu" actually is |
| 23:17.11 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 23:17.18 | Shirik | because I totally want a million buttons at the bottom of my screen |
| 23:17.40 | Tem | fuck the dock |
| 23:17.42 | Tem | srsly |
| 23:17.43 | Corrodias | i have both, actually |
| 23:17.45 | foxlit | Common misconception, tbh |
| 23:17.52 | Corrodias | i extensively use my quicklaunch bar |
| 23:17.52 | zenzelezz | I don't have a problem with people who don't like start menu type program launchers; but I myself prefer them over anything |
| 23:18.02 | foxlit | People don't know what to do with the dock, so they stuff it with stuff like it's a start menu. morons. |
| 23:18.33 | zenzelezz | desktop icons? Disabled. Quick launch? Disabled. Start menu? Cleanly arranged for navigation |
| 23:18.36 | Corrodias | step 1) wonder how to get to your apps. step 2) put them on the dock so you can launch them. step 3) get called a moron by foxlit |
| 23:18.50 | Iriel | I actually quite like the dock |
| 23:18.58 | foxlit | Only if you end up with a million buttons in it, Corrodias |
| 23:19.07 | zenzelezz | that would have been such a fun sentence if you'd only typoed it Iriel |
| 23:19.30 | Corrodias | so how do you get to your miscellaneous programs that you didn't dock (and what do you use the dock for)? |
| 23:19.34 | foxlit | spotlight. |
| 23:19.36 | Iriel | zenzelezz: I'm not sure why you chose to send that, but I actually did typo it but noticed before hitting enter |
| 23:19.57 | Iriel | I have 30 apps on the dock, and 4 folders (not including the trash can) |
| 23:19.59 | foxlit | You use dock mainly for indication of what's currently running |
| 23:20.13 | zenzelezz | oh that's an easy one to answer. There's two things always running in my mind, word play and dirty word play |
| 23:20.17 | foxlit | A few (2-3) stacks for common programs keep those sanely accessible |
| 23:20.17 | *** join/#wowuidev tim|imac (n=tim|imac@2001:960:7b8:0:217:f2ff:fe95:2d78) |
| 23:20.20 | Corrodias | i'm not asking what we do; i'm asking what YOU do |
| 23:20.22 | Iriel | Of those I would say 4 are there because I havent' been bothered to remove them, the rest I use regularly |
| 23:20.30 | Shirik | oh, heres another fun Windows message |
| 23:20.31 | tim|imac | ohla |
| 23:20.47 | Corrodias | so you use it almost exclusively as a taskbar? |
| 23:20.48 | Shirik | this was partially my fault though |
| 23:20.54 | foxlit | end result is that dock shows 5 icons when nothing is running |
| 23:21.06 | tim|imac | AnduinLothar: about the "pollution and corruption", not at all! exactly the opposite! :P |
| 23:21.22 | AnduinLothar | polluting my pretty format |
| 23:21.27 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5784cf8f2484217bd11e7eab14bf3223.jpg |
| 23:22.01 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that looks more like crazy error in your code |
| 23:22.08 | Iriel | Reason #573 why you shouldn't always assume errno will reflect the cause of your crash |
| 23:22.16 | Shirik | aye :P |
| 23:22.24 | foxlit | Corrodias: s/you/I/ earlier, btw :) |
| 23:22.58 | Corrodias | okay, cool |
| 23:23.29 | Zootfizzle | lua> print(char(32)) |
| 23:23.29 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'char' (a nil value) |
| 23:23.34 | Zootfizzle | lua> print(byte(32)) |
| 23:23.35 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'byte' (a nil value) |
| 23:23.37 | Zootfizzle | Nngh |
| 23:23.38 | Zootfizzle | Grr |
| 23:23.42 | JoshBorke | lua> print(\032) |
| 23:23.43 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '\' |
| 23:23.55 | Shirik | Zootfizzle: string.byte/string.char? |
| 23:23.56 | Corrodias | lua> print(\x32) |
| 23:23.56 | lua_bot | Corrodias: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '\' |
| 23:24.01 | Corrodias | lua> print(32) |
| 23:24.02 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 32 |
| 23:24.04 | JoshBorke | lua> print(x32) |
| 23:24.04 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: nil |
| 23:24.10 | Industrial | Someone explain to me what machinima is |
| 23:24.11 | Corrodias | lua> print(0h32) |
| 23:24.11 | lua_bot | Corrodias: luabot:1: malformed number near '0h32' |
| 23:24.11 | Industrial | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/12/wow-moviewatch-captain-oneshot/ |
| 23:24.16 | Industrial | apparently this is machinima? |
| 23:24.18 | Iriel | lua> print("\032") |
| 23:24.18 | lua_bot | Iriel: No output |
| 23:24.19 | Corrodias | lua> print(32h) |
| 23:24.19 | lua_bot | Corrodias: luabot:1: malformed number near '32h' |
| 23:24.29 | Zootfizzle | lua> print(string.char(32)) |
| 23:24.29 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: No output |
| 23:24.29 | JoshBorke | damnit, i was just about to do that iriel! |
| 23:24.40 | Zootfizzle | lua> print(string.char(42)) |
| 23:24.40 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: * |
| 23:24.48 | Corrodias | lua> print(0x32) |
| 23:24.48 | lua_bot | Corrodias: 50 |
| 23:24.49 | Industrial | I thought it was only the really really lame ass montages of 3d characters pasted over the 3d world that move weirdly and make happy happy stories :\ |
| 23:24.50 | Shirik | I belive cladhaire trims spaces |
| 23:24.51 | Iriel | whose bright idea was it to treat a space as no output? |
| 23:24.56 | Corrodias | what. |
| 23:24.58 | cladhaire | your mom trims spaces |
| 23:25.02 | Shirik | :< |
| 23:25.10 | Industrial | rofl cladhaire ;D |
| 23:25.14 | Iriel | "blank output" sure, but NO output? no. |
| 23:25.14 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: isn't it past your bed time? :-P |
| 23:25.15 | kd3 | that's not machinima... |
| 23:25.27 | cladhaire | Iriel: its a bug, file a report or get in line :P |
| 23:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, cladhaire is in a mood. :P |
| 23:25.37 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:25.46 | cladhaire | fwiw |
| 23:25.56 | cladhaire | my ajax lua interpreter handles it correctly |
| 23:25.59 | *** part/#wowuidev tim|imac (n=tim|imac@2001:960:7b8:0:217:f2ff:fe95:2d78) |
| 23:26.05 | nevcairiel | hm for some reason my mIRC fails to load a .dll with DEP active, sucky project :P |
| 23:26.06 | cladhaire | and that's the sandbox that lua_bot will move to when I sync those branches |
| 23:26.16 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Sounds like the DLL is sucky, not mirc |
| 23:26.18 | Shirik | mine loads fine |
| 23:26.26 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 23:26.26 | Shirik | I load an external dll every time for ipv6 support |
| 23:26.27 | Industrial | sounds like you need irssi |
| 23:26.37 | Cide | >>> string.char(32) |
| 23:26.37 | Cide | Cide: " " |
| 23:26.42 | Cide | yay! |
| 23:26.52 | Iriel | Cide is not defective!! |
| 23:26.52 | Corrodias | >>> string.char(1) |
| 23:26.52 | Cide | Corrodias: "\001" |
| 23:27.03 | Shirik | >>> return |
| 23:27.06 | Shirik | I call that failure |
| 23:27.12 | Cide | on your part |
| 23:27.13 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:27.24 | Iriel | cide 1, shirik nil |
| 23:27.30 | batrick | ooo |
| 23:27.30 | Shirik | I dont even get 0? |
| 23:27.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:27.33 | Shirik | just nil? |
| 23:27.40 | cladhaire | how do i get the last part of a directory name in Unix? |
| 23:27.43 | cladhaire | i.e. /tmp/foo |
| 23:27.46 | cladhaire | is foo |
| 23:27.52 | cladhaire | so I suppose directory has nothing to do with it :P |
| 23:27.52 | JoshBorke | claddy: dirname? |
| 23:27.55 | Iriel | basename |
| 23:27.59 | JoshBorke | basename! |
| 23:28.00 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 23:28.04 | cladhaire | cheers! |
| 23:28.09 | Zootfizzle | local strung = ""; for _, v in next, {87, 104, 121, 32, 100, 111, 32, 112, 101, 111, 112, 108, 101, 32, 99, 111, 109, 112, 108, 97, 105, 110, 32, 97, 98, 111, 117, 116, 32, 110, 111, 116, 32, 103, 101, 116, 116, 105, 110, 103 } do strung = strung .. string.char(v); end print(strung); |
| 23:28.11 | cladhaire | i am so tired. |
| 23:28.13 | Zootfizzle | lua> local strung = ""; for _, v in next, {87, 104, 121, 32, 100, 111, 32, 112, 101, 111, 112, 108, 101, 32, 99, 111, 109, 112, 108, 97, 105, 110, 32, 97, 98, 111, 117, 116, 32, 110, 111, 116, 32, 103, 101, 116, 116, 105, 110, 103 } do strung = strung .. string.char(v); end print(strung); |
| 23:28.14 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: Why do people complain about not getting |
| 23:28.19 | Zootfizzle | lua> |
| 23:28.19 | Zootfizzle | local strung = ""; for _, v in next, {100, 101, 118, 32, 97, 99, 99, 101, 115, 115, 32, 108, 101, 115, 115, 32, 116, 104, 97, 110, 32, 57, 48, 32, 109, 105, 110, 117, 116, 101, 115, 32, 97, 102, 116, 101, 114 } do strung = strung .. string.char(v); end print(strung); |
| 23:28.28 | Cide | failizzle |
| 23:28.28 | Zootfizzle | DAMN YOU IRC |
| 23:28.30 | JoshBorke | ~lart Zootfizzle |
| 23:28.30 | purl | strangles Zootfizzle with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 23:28.31 | Zootfizzle | local strung = ""; for _, v in next, {100, 101, 118, 32, 97, 99, 99, 101, 115, 115, 32, 108, 101, 115, 115, 32, 116, 104, 97, 110, 32, 57, 48, 32, 109, 105, 110, 117, 116, 101, 115, 32, 97, 102, 116, 101, 114 } do strung = strung .. string.char(v); end print(strung); |
| 23:28.33 | Zootfizzle | alskdfjlskadf |
| 23:28.35 | Shirik | omg spam |
| 23:28.38 | batrick | smashT |
| 23:28.38 | Zootfizzle | Okay |
| 23:28.52 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Zootfizzle!n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net] by Zootfizzle (Epic Fail) |
| 23:29.11 | Tem | <3 The Black Mages |
| 23:29.14 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 23:29.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (n=na@ip68-109-67-190.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 23:29.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 23:29.17 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 23:29.21 | Zootfizzle | Ahem |
| 23:29.31 | Shirik | I think Zootfizzle accidentally ate a cog |
| 23:29.37 | Shirik | hopefully that has been remedied |
| 23:29.38 | Zootfizzle | Why do people complain about not getting developer access less than two hours after I personally answer their specific questions in IRC? |
| 23:29.51 | Iriel | Wouldn't that be 69,112,105,99 Fail? |
| 23:30.16 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 23:30.19 | foxlit | The serious answer would be that the community is not a single individual, and is thus entitled to hold multiple conflicting opinions :) |
| 23:30.19 | Zootfizzle | Drundia? ;) |
| 23:30.29 | nevcairiel | Because we dont remember our questions now! |
| 23:30.30 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 23:30.31 | Shirik | Developer access? |
| 23:30.33 | Drundia | Zootfizzle, maybe because we want you in EU forums for some discussion, I don't know. |
| 23:30.36 | Iriel | I think there may be a false notion that when we post in the US forum slouken drives over to our houses and answers our questions in person? |
| 23:30.38 | AlexanderYoshi | Zzz,,,, |
| 23:30.41 | Drundia | Or forum merge |
| 23:30.47 | AlexanderYoshi | Its because |
| 23:30.54 | JoshBorke | less blue talk, more random crap |
| 23:30.58 | AlexanderYoshi | All of the hot chicks get me coming to their house to fix addons |
| 23:31.00 | JoshBorke | i want to go back to watching death note |
| 23:31.02 | Zootfizzle | Complain about having separate forums then ;) |
| 23:31.03 | Drundia | Good old Battle.net had same forums for everyone... |
| 23:31.04 | Industrial | JoshBorke: .. I keel you. |
| 23:31.08 | AlexanderYoshi | but not the dudes |
| 23:31.10 | kd3 | bah, I could never get in to death note |
| 23:31.11 | AlexanderYoshi | :-P |
| 23:31.23 | AlexanderYoshi | to enjoy Death Note, you must be evil |
| 23:31.25 | Industrial | JoshBorke: death note drops at 20. |
| 23:31.35 | Cairenn | Drundia: oh give it a rest already, everyone in here already knows that if you need something cross posted there are any number of people that are more than willing to do so for you |
| 23:31.38 | Industrial | story gets retarded/boring |
| 23:31.41 | Drundia | I guess it also doesn't have anything to do with you personally... though in theory devs could get EU forum accounts and visit us once a month or so. |
| 23:31.45 | nevcairiel | Good old Battle.net allowed me to join on US realms too though :) |
| 23:31.45 | kd3 | meh... I love elfen lied. deathnote was just bleh |
| 23:31.47 | Cairenn | dead horse is dead |
| 23:31.53 | Tem | kd3, how can you not? |
| 23:31.57 | Tem | Deathnote was awesome |
| 23:32.03 | Tem | well |
| 23:32.12 | Tem | it was awesome until about ep 18 |
| 23:32.15 | Tem | then it kinda sucked |
| 23:32.20 | Industrial | kd3: lol elfen lied was like; ep1: woah arms and shit flying around! ep2-end: boob humour zomg its a girl. |
| 23:32.24 | nevcairiel | Drundia: with all the posts that build up in a month, they would spend a week reading all =P |
| 23:32.29 | Drundia | Cairenn, I know it, but it's still better to know something important has a chance to read something you post in that place full of whiners. |
| 23:32.33 | Cairenn | completely off-topic, who knew that windows error messages could sound so good: http://www.subdemon.com/forum/index.php?topic=15203.0 |
| 23:32.34 | foxlit | cladhaire: Did anyone ever respond to that mac patch downloader post? |
| 23:32.36 | Tem | Elfen lied was meh |
| 23:32.48 | JoshBorke | i enjoyed it |
| 23:32.51 | cladhaire | foxlit: dunno, searching would tell us both |
| 23:32.52 | Drundia | s/something important/someone important/ |
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| 23:33.01 | Shirik | ah yeah, seen that Cairenn, its good :) |
| 23:33.02 | JoshBorke | ckknight: welcome to alabama |
| 23:33.19 | foxlit | cladhaire: I was secretly hoping you would remember some element of your original post that'd let you search for it |
| 23:33.20 | JoshBorke | Drundia: dead horse is dead |
| 23:33.21 | ckknight | JoshBorke: Memphis, TN, actually |
| 23:33.23 | ckknight | for an hour |
| 23:33.24 | Industrial | if you liked elfen lied ep1 |
| 23:33.26 | Industrial | watch Gantz |
| 23:33.30 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: thats great :D |
| 23:33.32 | foxlit | As far as I can tell, the 2.4.1 patch downloader was just as bad as 2.4.0 |
| 23:33.34 | Zootfizzle | Gantz is so messed up |
| 23:33.39 | cladhaire | foxlit: was posted by clahdaire |
| 23:33.41 | cladhaire | so that would find it |
| 23:33.43 | Industrial | yes it is, hehe |
| 23:33.43 | cladhaire | but no, no reasponse. |
| 23:33.45 | cladhaire | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539956440&postId=55392380313&sid=1#0 |
| 23:34.37 | AlexanderYoshi | Gantz is fucked |
| 23:34.37 | Arrowmaster | i still havent seen Gantz |
| 23:34.37 | AlexanderYoshi | Let me summarize gantz for you |
| 23:34.43 | ckknight | JoshBorke: from what I've seen, there's a lot of barbecue and accents here. |
| 23:34.47 | AlexanderYoshi | Character about to get it on? --> Death in 1 episode |
| 23:35.01 | Shirik | damn it Cairenn |
| 23:35.05 | JoshBorke | ckknight: damn straight! |
| 23:35.11 | Shirik | thats the second time Ive listened to that and thought someone sent me an email |
| 23:35.14 | Cairenn | Shirik: hmmm? |
| 23:35.15 | Shirik | because I always hear that sound >.> |
| 23:35.18 | Cairenn | ahhh |
| 23:35.19 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:35.19 | ckknight | hey, a cowboy hat! |
| 23:35.21 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 23:35.33 | Shirik | I was sitting here for a good minute trying to figure out where it went >< |
| 23:35.34 | ckknight | he seems to be wearing it as if it's no big deal at all... |
| 23:36.03 | JoshBorke | ckknight: it's not that big of a deal |
| 23:36.07 | JoshBorke | ckknight: you should go to texas |
| 23:36.12 | ckknight | hehe |
| 23:36.20 | ckknight | I left my cowboy hat back in Hawaii |
| 23:36.26 | ckknight | it's the only kind of hat that I can pull off |
| 23:36.32 | ckknight | everything else makes my nose look out of place |
| 23:37.42 | Arrowmaster | i wana finish watching Utawarerumono but i really dont have the time and i really dont need to watch it since i know the entire story already from playing the game |
| 23:38.46 | Arrowmaster | damn homework that i need to do at some point before tuesday |
| 23:39.52 | Corrodias | hey, assassin's creed is on steam. :o |
| 23:43.58 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder |
| 23:44.05 | foxlit | To add some sort of checking for duplicate keybindings |
| 23:44.08 | Zootfizzle | I guess my biggest problem with Gantz would be the fact that there were really only two moral paradigms represented |
| 23:44.18 | foxlit | Or to let the user experience undefined behavior for their silly choices? |
| 23:44.41 | Corrodias | undefined behavior is always more fun |
| 23:44.42 | AlexanderYoshi | KILL OR BE KILLED |
| 23:44.55 | Corrodias | really. always. |
| 23:47.06 | art3mis | oh hear me isound a beatle i get cold feet when the pressure's on |
| 23:47.26 | foxlit | Feels odd replicating the default keybindings UI in the addon options frame |
| 23:47.31 | Corrodias | these reviews make assassin's creed sound pretty shallow, though. definitely not worth $50. |
| 23:47.42 | kd3 | bah... need to update my anime list |
| 23:48.05 | Zootfizzle | foxlit: We're likely to do that ourselves soon |
| 23:48.07 | ckknight | foxlit: I don't like the default keybindings UI |
| 23:48.24 | ckknight | foxlit: my ideal keybindings UI would show a keyboard with actions on each key |
| 23:48.51 | Zootfizzle | Localization nightmare |
| 23:48.55 | foxlit | In this case, it's a small set of four keys that gets remapped by the addon when the addon is activated |
| 23:48.55 | ckknight | very true |
| 23:49.11 | ckknight | lousy germans and their AltGr and funky ess-tsetts |
| 23:49.31 | foxlit | So I can't use Bindings.xml, and a familiar interface for setting a few keys wins |
| 23:50.09 | foxlit | (if we're complaining about BindingsUI, let's complain about things being hard to find in those pages upon pages of bindings) |
| 23:50.29 | foxlit | Some search/filter/addon index in there would be awesome |
| 23:51.12 | Zootfizzle | It's not gonna be a list based UI |
| 23:51.32 | AlexanderYoshi | What are we talking about? |
| 23:51.37 | Zootfizzle | The keybinding UI |
| 23:51.43 | AlexanderYoshi | Oh, right |
| 23:51.45 | AlexanderYoshi | It sucks |
| 23:51.46 | foxlit | problem with a keyboard display is that you can't show unbound options well |
| 23:51.48 | Zootfizzle | We're redoing it |
| 23:51.52 | Zootfizzle | I have a task |
| 23:52.03 | AlexanderYoshi | I know. I also approve. |
| 23:52.05 | ckknight | foxlit: have em in a list at the bottom :-P |
| 23:52.07 | AlexanderYoshi | Do a good job! |
| 23:52.08 | Zootfizzle | gl33 |
| 23:52.12 | Zootfizzle | Yessir! |
| 23:52.16 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 23:52.19 | JoshBorke | whered it go? |
| 23:52.37 | JoshBorke | i know i released bindingsreminder to wowi |
| 23:52.44 | foxlit | ckknight: but then most problems with a list are still there :) |
| 23:52.46 | kd3 | bah... what do I want to watch this season? |
| 23:53.01 | ckknight | foxlit: no, have it in a scrollable frame, only show 5 or so at a time |
| 23:53.16 | JoshBorke | sprocketerring? o.O |
| 23:53.16 | JoshBorke | what is that? |
| 23:53.23 | Corrodias | you want to watch... meh, i don't keep track of anime lately |
| 23:53.24 | Shirik | its what a Zootfizzle does |
| 23:53.24 | foxlit | ckknight: that's a step backwards |
| 23:53.31 | foxlit | For me, at least |
| 23:53.35 | ckknight | your mom's a step backwards |
| 23:54.08 | foxlit | Showing things a little at a time makes things harder to find |
| 23:54.23 | foxlit | Keyboard visualization makes sense only if you're looking for a hotkey you have bound, or want to see what's free |
| 23:54.49 | JoshBorke | foxlit: exactly |
| 23:54.55 | foxlit | It does not, in itself, make a list of potential hotkeys that are not bound to anything presentable in any remotely good fashion |
| 23:55.09 | AlexanderYoshi | :-) |
| 23:55.12 | art3mis | http://media.chronocide.net/ |
| 23:57.04 | Corrodias | you guys have any input about Splinter Cell? those are some DAMN high ratings it got |
| 23:58.11 | Corrodias | wait wait, that's for another game |
| 23:58.29 | Corrodias | still amazingly high, okay |
