IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080405

00:00.29Cidedid anyone ever play the warcraft 3 map, nuclear defense?
00:00.45ScytheBlade1Once, when a friend recommended it to me
00:00.49ScytheBlade1It didn't last long
00:01.08Cidedo you still have it? :P
00:01.19ScytheBlade1Oh no
00:05.13CideScytheBlade1: bah
00:05.17Cidewhat about your friend? :P
00:07.20ScytheBlade1I haven't seen the guy in question for over two years
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00:08.51Cidewell find him quickly!
00:09.44Wobinhe's behind the couch
00:09.46Wobinwhere you left him
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00:20.12IndustrialScytheBlade1: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=hard+gay
00:20.13Industrialhooo!
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00:24.54IndustrialAnyone play america's army? I cant get it installed
00:25.33cogwheel......  .php  .......  "Powered by ASP.net 2.0" ..... O.o http://www.istaysharp.net/index.php?title=SQL_Syntax_Highlighting_-_The_Microsoft_Way
00:26.26Industrialpowered by a big nerd with glasses, 30, living with his mom
00:27.05cogwheelmy mom wants to move in with us :( in 5 more years, that might be me...
00:27.46Industrialo_O
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00:52.35reqolis there any way to search the pil for a specific topic? going through each page and looking down it grows tedious. (I tried +lua.org/pil, but it didn't yield the results I expected)
00:53.08Tem|afkreqol, just read the whole book
00:53.35JoshBorke~lart Tem|afk
00:53.35purlshoots Tem|afk in the head
00:53.56Tem|afkno
00:53.58Tem|afkseriously
00:53.59Tem|afkread it
00:54.03Industrial"table of contents"
00:54.09Industrialhttp://www.lua.org/pil/
00:54.12Industrialctrl+f, go!
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00:54.36Industrial(still read all of it)
00:54.38reqolindustrial: this isn't an issue large enough to be considered an entire topic
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00:54.56reqolthus the titles are merely related, not identical. and yes, I realize nearly EVERY piece of information in the pil is useful
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00:55.24reqoland so I should read the entire thing, it's not like it's terribly long or anything
00:55.41reqolI was asking more so I can use it as a reference than anything else
00:56.34Industrialnn
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00:58.52Yssarilis there anyway in wow to set text (whole or part of a fontstring) as italics/bold/underline/strikethru?
01:01.33dylanmNope. You can load a bold version of a font and there's obviously the OUTLINE/THICKOUTLINE flags.
01:01.45Yssarilbah
01:02.01Yssarilthanks though
01:19.17ScytheBlade1Pst, Antiarc. Are there any "planned" omen updates tonight?
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01:22.14testlekhehe
01:22.32wajtestlek: Glad to see if you figured it out.  ;)
01:22.38wajs/if//
01:23.12testlekheh only took me three trys to /join lol :P
01:23.43AntiarcScytheBlade1: Not tonight
01:24.38ScytheBlade1Antiarc: cool. The GM is getting pissy, I was about to start a "I'll just link a version to use for the week" thread ;D
01:24.43ScytheBlade1Likewise I'll use this current version
01:33.44KillerDreamingI'm back, noobs.
01:37.21KillerDreamingPsh. Some one talk. :(
01:38.11JoshBorketalk
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01:41.00Gnarfozmore talk
01:41.48JoshBorkeok, less talk now
01:45.27Gnarfozless talk
01:45.37Gnarfozactually, talk | less
01:45.53JoshBorkeok, wish me luck
01:45.58JoshBorkeupgrading to ubuntu hardy heron
01:46.30Gnarfozhas that been released already?
01:46.36JoshBorkestill in beta
01:46.38JoshBorke20 days out
01:47.41JoshBorkehm, gonna close out
01:47.42JoshBorkebye
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01:47.53Tem|afkbut Gnarfoz
01:47.55Tem|afkless is more
01:48.01Tem|afk(and does more than more)
01:48.03Tem|afk(lawl)
01:48.24GnarfozTem|afk: more | less
01:48.46Gnarfozor is that more || less? :D
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01:53.36Corrodiasmore or less, but evaluate both?
02:03.23ckknightmore ^ less
02:03.41KillerDreamingwtf is Ubuntu?
02:03.52KillerDreamingNew OS?
02:04.37Gnarfoz~ubuntu
02:05.03ScytheBlade1I'm not really into pokemon, sorry
02:05.09Gnarfozanyway, it's a linux distro
02:05.10KillerDreaminglol
02:05.22ScytheBlade1(Miss the reference and you FAIL)
02:05.45KillerDreamingor just CBF caring about weeaboos, Scythe.
02:05.47KillerDreaminggtfo.
02:05.52ScytheBlade1lol
02:06.08KillerDreaminglol
02:06.47KillerDreamingThe only Anime I ever liked was Ebichu.
02:07.00KillerDreamingand that's moar of a mockery of Anime.
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02:07.30KillerDreaminghi arel.
02:07.31KillerDreamingHI
02:07.37Arelhi
02:08.22KillerDreamingHi.
02:10.07ArelYou seem rather bored :)
02:10.19ArelSpent too much time coding?
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02:14.48KillerDreaminghttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=87797
02:14.50KillerDreamingI am so nice.
02:15.02KillerDreamingMeh. I don't know how to code.
02:15.12KillerDreamingI'm just helpful forum junkie that is usually wrong about everything.
02:15.18KillerDreamingor borderline right, just still wrong.
02:15.32KillerDreamingSeerah rides in on her golden glowing horsie and correct me. Then I /qq
02:15.41KillerDreamingcorrects*
02:16.06ArelI see
02:16.31ArelI'm just frustrated at this new event system, I remember having to figure out the last one
02:16.44Areland when I did I found it completely weird. It didn't make sense.
02:16.48ArelNow they rewrote the whole thing
02:16.51IrielThe new one is much much much better
02:16.54Areland it still makes no sense
02:17.02Arelbut yeah, much, much better
02:17.22IrielIn one sentence, what aspect of it is most confusing to you?
02:17.36ArelI have very little knowledge of it, except the part I'm working on right now
02:17.44Arelbut in one sentence? hmm
02:18.05mikmaoh right, that dude who likes to kiss tek's ass
02:18.19ArelI think it makes about 50% more sense than the last one, which made no sense at all.
02:18.24Tekkubwho what my ass?
02:18.52ArelI'm currenty trying to log spellcasts to monitor spells being resisted in my damage meter mod
02:19.14Areland I feel I have to jump through hoops just find out what I cast my spell on.
02:19.20mikmanow where was that thread
02:19.21Areland the hoops are on fire.
02:19.41GuillotineI'm bored :( Anybody have brawl and want to play a bit?
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02:20.24IrielArel: Is this because of some inherent limitation of WHAT events get fired, or is it because you haven't mastered the flags yet?
02:20.28mikmaTekkub: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=87644&postcount=22
02:20.37ArelI think the former. I hope the latter, that could be solved
02:20.47Tekkuboh yes, that thread fizzled out badly
02:20.54Tekkubit had such potential
02:21.05MalgayneAnyone seen cladhaire lately btw?
02:21.15mikmaTekkub: well now he can suck up in here too! i noticed he's right there! <0514> <KillerDreaming> I am so nice.
02:21.25ArelFeel free to prove me clueless and enlighten me. But when I cast a DOT on something, I see not a single event that helps me figure out what I cast it on.
02:22.33TekkubI thought the spellcast events were all laid out in the wiki?
02:23.01IrielArel: I see what you mean, Immolate has no 'destination' GUID or flags
02:23.07IrielArel: Until it ticks, and THEN you get it
02:23.45Arelyes. So I don't find any way of reliably telling what level creature I hit with it
02:23.54HirsuteNot much help for gauging resists, then, is it.
02:24.03HirsuteFun, that.
02:24.06IrielWell, maintaining a cache of GUID -> level of things you've seen stuff from recenty should do that
02:24.11ArelI have that
02:24.34Arelbut if my dot doesn't tic I can't tell anything
02:25.19Arelas far as I can see
02:25.32IrielHm, SPELL_MISSED /does/ fire an event
02:25.41Irieland that does have the target
02:25.45Arelyes, it does
02:25.51Arelbut how do I count the times it didn't get resisted?
02:25.52Irielit's SPELL_CAST_START that doesn't
02:26.35IrielYou see SPELL_CAST_START and reasonably soon after a SPELL_DAMAGE or SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE
02:26.38Arel(appreciate you taking the time to help clueless me out, by the way)
02:27.05IrielI banged my head against the wall (and continue to) with the spell events, so any chance to lessen someone else's pain on the combat ones is good 8-)
02:27.44Arelit's SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE that matters
02:27.58Arelfor direct spells it's cake, you can see resists and hits
02:28.19IrielWell some spells (Immolate) are both
02:28.19Guillotinereplacing cursor textures currently involves editing the mpq, right?
02:28.30IrielGuillotine: World cursors?
02:28.45GuillotineIriel: yes
02:28.46ArelGuillotine, wow cursors? I think so
02:28.48IrielGuillotine: I /thought/ you could drop them in the Data folder
02:29.07ArelImmolate is doable
02:29.08GuillotineI know you used to be able to, but there were a couple more restrictions on what WoW will accept from outside of the mpq this patch
02:29.10IrielOr maybe just slouken said once that you /should/ be able to, but it doesn't actually work 8-)
02:29.20Irielah
02:29.22GuillotineGuess I'll have to try it
02:29.27Arelmy problem is with corruption/agony/sw:p
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02:30.08GuillotineYou could do it another way, though it isn't optimal
02:30.32enumquestion: in lua, is there a better way to stop a function mid run, than just going if ( cond == param ) then return; end
02:30.35Guillotinesecure hook spellcasts, then see if theres a resist message within a reasonable time
02:30.41Guillotineenum: thats best
02:30.52ArelWell, anyway, I was just hoping for some confirmation that I wasn't missing something obvious
02:30.53enumthat aggitates me
02:30.55enumhaha
02:31.03GuillotineArel: nope. You're right
02:31.14Guillotineenum: you could just put the rest inside an 'else' if you prefer
02:31.47ArelGuillotine, that might work. I don't need to test for resists, I can count the number of times a spell gets resisted. I wasn't able to count spell casts.
02:32.11enumnah, it's ok.. my ocd just keeps messing w/ me about it. That, and not having a switch()
02:32.11Guillotinethat should usually work then
02:32.23Guillotinethough if an npc mind controls you and casts the spell, it may throw it off
02:32.28AlexanderYoshiHello
02:32.30Guillotineyou get resist messages, but not casts
02:32.42ArelI can test for that stuff.
02:32.52Guillotineyup, just another thing to think about
02:32.56GuillotineAlex: heya :)
02:33.19Arel*nod* I'll get back to coding and see if I can figure out. Thanks for helping me solve it.
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02:34.42AlexanderYoshiI'm contemplating writing an addon tonight
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02:34.50AlexanderYoshiSomeone talk me out of it
02:34.57LegorolAlexanderYoshi: don't do it!
02:35.01Legorolgive it to me instead
02:35.09AlexanderYoshiOk
02:35.19Legorolwhat is it anyway?
02:35.19AlexanderYoshiLegorol, write my addon for me
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02:36.50enumanother q: is there any impact on say, defining variables within a loop. For example the code I am working in, the last person did something like ( for i = 1, counter, 1 do loca blah; code here; end )
02:37.10Xinhuanno impact
02:37.23enumI'm just trying to clean this stuff up, and I want to make sure I get it right
02:37.24enumthanks
02:38.54Gnarfozhmmm what professions for a shaman?
02:39.05Gnarfozskinning + leatherworking any good?
02:39.24Areldepends on what you want to do with it.
02:39.35Gnarfozor just go mining/bs again (ugh, I already did that on my pally, only to unlearn BS at 365 for JC) for weapons @ 70
02:39.55Arelfor raiding, LW is a solid choice. cheap to level and drums are obscenely good
02:40.14ArelBS only if you're enhancement, and even then I think BS is a tad outdated.
02:40.20Gnarfozprobably have professions that not suck is what I want ;) I already have 2 herbalists, 1 alchemist, 1 JC, 1 Miner and 1 enchanter :\
02:41.03GnarfozI think skinning/LW while leveling, and if I actually switch main chars to this shaman, unlearn skinning and level enchanting through the AH :\
02:41.18Gnarfozbuuuut I don't know how likely that is, anyway ;)
02:41.32Arel*shrug* enchanting's nice for rings, and to disenchant dungeon loot, but that's about it.
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02:44.39Legorolmy guild killed Maggy for the first time! thanks Blizz for the nerfs, they were just what we needed
02:44.55enumman, I wouldn't mind a ternary operator right about now
02:44.56Legorolwe were blatantly overgeared for that fight for a long time, but it was too technical for most of our members
02:46.57dylanmenum: The a and b or c construction works in most cases.
02:47.16ArelI think it's horrible what they did to that fight
02:47.50Arelit used to be a horribly long fight, where you were praying for no one to dc or screw it up, while you whittle away at his massive hp
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02:48.08Areland they made the gimmick easier but kept the stupidly massive hp
02:48.24KillerDreamingI miss Tekkub.
02:48.32Arelcongratulations, though :)
02:48.32Legorolthat's what we needed though, Arel
02:48.44Legorolthe fight was at the right gear level imo, but too technical for that level of raiding
02:49.04Legorolwhich is why we never managed
02:49.10Legorolactually the biggest problem we had with is the infernals
02:49.23Legorol"just handle them" doesn't work in my guild, people need instruction manuals
02:49.37Legorolif the infernals are not marked, they get confused
02:49.38Arelyou won't get very far though, if it's as bad as you say
02:49.45Legorolwell, we didn't :)
02:49.56Legorolbut that's ok, i'm happy we took a boss that's right for us
02:50.09AlexanderYoshiIf you use 5 extra cube clickers
02:50.11Arelyeah, good for you.
02:50.13AlexanderYoshiMag takes 200% dmg
02:50.21AlexanderYoshiwhich helps when the DPS is a problem
02:50.23AlexanderYoshi(lawl)
02:50.32Arelyeah, I was wondering if you could just keep him banished for most of the encounter
02:50.33Legorolcan you do that?
02:50.42AlexanderYoshiyes
02:50.45Legoroli mean can you keep up the channels by swapping clickers mid-channel?
02:50.52AlexanderYoshimaybe
02:50.53Legoroldoes the new clicker take over?
02:50.59Arelno, don't think so
02:51.08AlexanderYoshiI think so
02:51.09Arelyou'd need people to click again
02:51.19AlexanderYoshiyou'd all have to click again
02:51.21Legorolcan you banish him when is isn't nova-ing?
02:51.22AlexanderYoshibut you get a buff
02:51.24AlexanderYoshiyes
02:51.28Legorolah, didn't know
02:51.44Legorolin that case, it might be worth banishing him from time to time by an extra set idd
02:51.46Legorolmakes it faster
02:52.04Arelto be fair, if you're not routine on him, I wouldn't bother, since it will mess up the nova
02:52.14Legorolwill it?
02:52.18Arelyes.
02:52.26Legorolit seemed to me the nova was always ont he timer
02:52.37Arelit is, unless you banish him again, it'll mess up the addon
02:52.37Legorolis it progressively delayed by banishes?
02:52.44Arelno, it is not
02:52.49Legoroloh right, it messes the addon, not him
02:52.53Legorolthat's ok
02:52.56ArelI'm not sure how it interacts with his cooldown
02:52.59Legorolthe addon can be reworked to work off the emote
02:53.19Arelbut if people need an instruction manual to figure out an infernal
02:53.29Legorolnah the cubes are easier actually
02:53.34Legorolbecause that's a strict, set routine
02:53.37ArelI wouldn't exactly trust them to have 5 people well coordinated clicking
02:53.46Legorolthe infernals are harder because you need people to make decisions on the spot
02:53.52ArelI see.
02:54.10Legorola complex, but organised and rehearsed routine is fine
02:54.15Legorolasking people to adapt is not :)
02:55.04ArelIt'd take some trial and error to figure out how the banishment affects his cooldown. My guess it will just not affect it
02:55.16Legorolthat's what i'm guessing too
02:55.49Arelbut really, it's making it harder, not easier.
02:55.58Legoroli agree, but faster :)
02:56.12Legoroland i was actually bored once we got the fight worked out
02:56.17Legorolphase 1 was the most exciting
02:56.25Legorol3 tanks only ^^
02:56.48Arelyeah, that's why I hated what they did to it. They took the slow, long, boring part, and made it _easier_
02:56.54Legoroltank 1 (yay me) tanked 2 mobs at the start, then taunted one off of one of the other tanks, and finally i went to maggy
02:58.02LegorolArel: based on what i saw today, making it one set of clickers instead of two isn't that great deal of a change
02:58.11Legorolit's not more complex than beam rotations on NS
02:58.21Legoroland luckily that's something that our guildmembers understand by now
02:59.04Legorolso i don't think we'd have had trouble with that part before the patch
02:59.15Legorolit's the damn infernals that were messing us up when we tried before
02:59.17Arelyou're correct. which is why I think it's silly. They should have reduced his hit points.
02:59.38Legoroli disagree, the HP is fine imo
02:59.46Legoroli feel it'd have been enough to nerf phase 1 like they did
02:59.59Arelwell, the thing is, it's dead easy.
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03:00.15Legorolit's a challenge for us ^^
03:00.40Areltypically phase 1 is the challenge. phase 2 is where you get bored. But that's just my opinion.
03:00.51Legoroloh right, that i agree with
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03:01.54Guillotineo.O
03:02.01GuillotineI am greatly disturbed
03:02.17LegorolHighRoller actually works?
03:03.03KillerDreamingLOL
03:03.09KillerDreaming>.>
03:03.11KillerDreamingYes. It work.s
03:03.24KillerDreamingI don't use it though. :/
03:03.26KillerDreamingSeems unfair.
03:03.37Legorollol i just reacted to Guillotine's statement
03:03.59KillerDreamingI can't believe every one actually went along wiht HighRoller. lol
03:04.18Legorolit's a novel addon
03:05.05KillerDreaming<3
03:06.07Drundiai didn't see a single roll under 80 thiw week
03:06.16KillerDreamingTHE FORUMS ARE SO SLOW.
03:06.17KillerDreamingBLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
03:06.27LegorolDrundia: stop using /roll 80-100
03:06.30KillerDreamingloll
03:06.31KillerDreamingpwned
03:06.40Drundiamind that i didn't see any rolls at all
03:06.51Legorolah, so you didn't see any over 80 either
03:06.56Legorolmust be /roll 80-80 then
03:07.39Drundiadoesn't matter i can roll 1 when doing /roll 80 100
03:08.03KillerDreamingKirkburn.
03:08.05KillerDreamingYour name is familiar.
03:08.13Kirkburn|sleepClearFont
03:08.18Kirkburn|sleepAnd WoWWiki
03:08.25KillerDreamingWowHead?
03:08.32Kirkburn|sleepNot really
03:08.37KillerDreamingHmm.
03:08.41KillerDreamingProbably WoWWiki.
03:08.48KillerDreamingI'm on there. But where would I have seen you? :/
03:09.06Cairenn...
03:09.19DuTempetelol
03:09.32DuTempeteKirkburn is just the lowly lead admin...
03:09.33KillerDreaminglike
03:09.40DuTempeteYou probably haven't seen him at all...
03:09.45KillerDreamingI never did anything community-wise on WoWWiki
03:09.48KillerDreamingThat's why I'm saying.
03:09.50Kirkburn|sleepYeah, lead admin seems to be my title
03:10.03KillerDreamingI might of cybered with you before.
03:10.03DuTempetemore like lead punching-bag :P
03:10.04KillerDreamingI dunno.
03:10.08DuTempete!!!!
03:10.22Kirkburn|sleepDuTempete is my girlfriend :P
03:10.45KillerDreamingI'm sure she was not involved. Her name is not familiar at ALL.
03:10.45Kirkburn|sleepShe's an odd one...
03:10.55Kirkburn|sleepNow you mention it .......
03:11.11Kirkburn|sleep:)
03:11.24KillerDreaminglol k enough
03:11.25KillerDreamingSorry, Temp.
03:11.27KillerDreamingJust bored. <3
03:11.30DuTempeteI know where you live, Kirkburn. :P
03:11.38KillerDreamingHe lives under my covers.
03:11.48KillerDreamingUnder my covers; on my pillow.
03:11.52Kirkburn|sleephehehe
03:11.53KillerDreamingUnder me.
03:11.54KillerDreaming:3
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03:12.08Kirkburn|sleepOkay, really going to bed now, g'night all
03:12.10DuTempeteok, I'm going to go back to coaching my guildies...
03:12.14KillerDreamingWow. Hereally DOES live under me.
03:12.22KillerDreamingHe's right under me on the user list. >
03:12.38KillerDreamingPeace Kirk. Have a nice night.
03:12.39KillerDreamingand seeya Temp.
03:12.45Kirkburn|sleepYes, the world needs more people with "Ki" starting their name
03:12.55DuTempeteDamn those Ki people
03:12.56KillerDreamingYeah, dod.
03:13.04KillerDreamingKillgore
03:13.15KillerDreamingKrippled?
03:13.21KillerDreamingah..that's kr..damn..
03:13.23DuTempeteAlthough it was a Ka that pissed me off this much before :P
03:13.24Kirkburn|sleepRunning away now...
03:13.51KillerDreamingKandoko
03:13.52KillerDreaming?
03:14.13DuTempeteKalroth
03:14.19KillerDreamingal. Dunno him.
03:14.23KillerDreamingI don't piss you off do I? :(
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03:15.39KillerDreamingOH HOLY SHIT
03:15.41dolby-wowiweee
03:15.41Legorolthat was fun ^^
03:15.41Cairennwhee, nice net split
03:15.42Legoroli was left with about 8 other people
03:15.42LegorolIt's times like these you find out who you are on the same server with
03:15.42KillerDreamingYou're on the same server with me, hm?
03:15.42KillerDreaminglol
03:15.42KillerDreamingor something? I didn't get disconnected. :3
03:16.22KillerDreamingBye Cair;
03:16.22Cairenn|afkback in a while
03:16.22KillerDreaming<3
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03:26.02enumis this valid? x = x or return;
03:26.47enumas opposed to if ( not x or x == nil ) then return; end
03:28.11Arelnot sure, really. Although i'd be horrified if I had to make sense of the former in code.
03:29.20enumwhy horrified?
03:29.31dylanmWell, in some sense you don't have a choice.
03:29.40Irielno, thats not valid
03:29.43Irielreturn isn't an expression
03:29.49dylanmreturn has to come at the end of a block anyway.
03:29.54dylanmAlso, nil is false.
03:30.10dylanmSo if not x then return end seems pretty okay.
03:30.54enumk, thanks
03:30.57enumwas just curious
03:31.38ScytheBlade1Whoa, WoW locked up
03:31.52Arelhad that a lot since the patch
03:31.56ScytheBlade1err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x4e5364c "?" wait timed out in thread 0017, blocked by 0009, retrying (60 sec)
03:31.58Areltry removing your WDB
03:34.50KillerDreamingMy WoW hasen't locked up. :3
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03:36.57enumso, I'm in this code, which checks for skill requirements ( skills meaning anything you can train, spells or professions ). They have code which runs GetTrainerServiceSkillReq three times in a row, is this really needed?
03:37.06enumI mean, shouldn't once be sufficient
03:38.29dylanmOn the same index?
03:38.33enumyeah
03:38.55dylanmThat doesn't seem right.
03:39.34enumI've been looking at it, and staring at a trainer, trying to make sense of it
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03:40.00dylanmGot a pastey?
03:40.02KillerDreamingwell remove the other 2 and see what it does?
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03:40.04enumok, here's an example
03:40.10enumRitual of Refreshment
03:40.21dylanmI really don't do much with tradeskills.
03:40.34dylanmAll I care about is farming for dollaz.
03:40.35enumrequires both Conjure Food Rank 8, and conjure water rank 9
03:40.46enumso, it has to skill reqs
03:40.53enumblah s/to/two
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04:01.15ScytheBlade1Antiarc: a hahahaha
04:04.12ScytheBlade1Antiarc: thought, I got a bunch of screenshots, and will be spamming your bug tracker shortly
04:06.00AntiarcPelase do
04:06.20ScytheBlade1I'm either #1 or #2 in terms of total bugs opened there ;)
04:06.22ScytheBlade1(For Omen)
04:07.57AntiarcWe just ended up with some AceComm errors on Surpremus. You get those?
04:08.35ScytheBlade1Not getting any here, but we're in Hyjal
04:08.57ScytheBlade1Most of my bugs will be in the AoE module ;)
04:09.40ScytheBlade1But no, no AceComm errors, and we've been at this for a while. I've got lua errors enabled. So far, so good.
04:11.29ScytheBlade1Actually got the entire raid on r68088
04:13.29enumanyone aware of a method to get the spell id? for example, for frostbolt rank 1 spell id is 116
04:13.39ScytheBlade1Cast it, watch the combat events
04:13.47enumneed another method
04:13.50enumthan combat
04:14.00enumlike trainer window
04:14.07dylanmwowhead
04:22.00Guillotinealright, for some reason I have a mental block. What was the formatting in C for the number of numbers after the decimal in a float?
04:22.09Guillotine%f.2 or something
04:22.41Guillotinenm, remembered
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05:01.27NechcknI'm just curious, who gets the proceeds from the ads on something like WowAceUpdater?  Is it the Ace project or the AddOn author?
05:02.35Cairennproject, I believe
05:02.45Cairennbut may be wrong
05:03.05Nechcknthat's what I would think- but you never know.  /shrug  not a huge thing
05:04.29Nechcknsomehow I envisioned like 50 "she is not" comments
05:04.46NechcknCairenn, you must be keeping up with your pay-offs  =)
05:04.47Cairennshe is not
05:04.51Cairennx50
05:05.02Nechcknboo - hiss - boo
05:05.06Cairenn;)
05:06.47dylanmI'm guessing they're handled by Curse? You're helping Kaelten with the hosting pretty much.
05:07.04Kaeltenhrm?
05:07.37dylanmKaelten: Woops sorry. Just someone asking what the WAU ads, you know, did.
05:07.55Kaeltenthey pay for the bandwith
05:07.58Kaeltenof which wau uses a shit load
05:08.12Nechckn<PROTECTED>
05:08.21Nechckndidn't mean to say anything other than that
05:08.30Kaelten:P
05:08.50Kaeltento give you any idea we broke 600 mbits /s during last patch day
05:09.09Nechcknwoo!  I don't doubt that at all
05:09.28Nechcknany idea how many "active" users?
05:09.38Nechcknor just the MB breakdown?
05:09.57Guillotine3. They were just downloading a lot
05:10.09NechcknHa
05:10.11Nechcknboo
05:10.12AbsoRayneSigh
05:10.22Nechcknalmost as bad as Cairenn dis'ing herself
05:10.24AbsoRayneWHY CANT PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF THE WAY OF A GIANT ARCANE ORB
05:10.50GuillotineAbsoRayne: you ever seen a moth with a light? Most WoW players are like that
05:12.14dylanmI have an unnatural attraction to doomfire.
05:12.58KaeltenNechckn: its > 200k
05:13.28Nechcknvery good, thank you, sir
05:13.29Guillotinehttp://onemorelevel.com/game/magic_pen <- awesome game
05:15.01KandokoSame reason my raid members seem to be moths.
05:15.28KandokoGive em a flame patch in 100 yards and they are irresistibly drawn too it. :P
05:16.03Nechcknstand if fire == damage??? no wai dood!
05:16.14Nechcknl2p nOOb
05:16.35KandokoBah beet by Nechckn...one of these days Nechckn...one of these days.....POW to The moon Nechckn to the MOON
05:16.48Nechcknthere we go.. just had to give the usual responses when you try to tell someone to 'not' do something retarded
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05:18.16art3mismuther fscker
05:19.58dylanmFire is life.
05:20.06Cairennhey art3mis
05:21.24art3misi had to come in and tell you about my new toys
05:21.37art3misand ask why there's a U in my hostname ;P
05:22.01art3misnever noticed that first part ;P
05:22.07Cairennalways been there
05:22.12CairennWoW UI Dev
05:22.30art3misanyways
05:23.09art3misi bought a dremel and a 8.5x9x9 3 drawer plastic thingy for my mini-itx board
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05:23.23art3misCairenn: /whois me btw ;P
05:23.29CairennI saw
05:23.49Cairennerrr, no, actually, I didn't
05:24.17art3mis;)
05:26.27Guillotineart3mis: i dont love you anymore :(
05:28.39art3misi dot much love the fact there was a forced move to a channel because of a few people
05:31.15GuillotineI honestly had nothing to do with the change, but I don't see it being a big deal. Its the same channel, just a different name. I mean, I didn't spend much time watching the name anyway :P
05:31.21art3misa few whiny bunts as it were ;P
05:31.37art3misits more a statement than anything
05:31.52art3misi support wowi ;P therefore i was in wowi's channel
05:32.00art3misi dont support the other sites by my own choice
05:32.09art3mistherefore i dont go to them
05:32.25art3misand wowui -- incgamers name
05:32.30art3misnot a community
05:32.45art3misits a piece of shit site that deserves to be blackholed til next century
05:32.55GuillotineThat is your choice. The channel never really had much to do with WoWI anyway though. It was a lounge for authors and a place to discuss the coding of AddOns. It still is.
05:33.24art3misand to be fair curse was the first that i heard of that bitched
05:33.28art3misso.........
05:33.29NechcknGuillotine  cool site, btw
05:33.47GuillotineNechckn: the game one I linked?
05:33.50Nechcknthe pen is mighty
05:33.54Nechcknindeed
05:34.10art3misoh im gonna post pics of my new case and machine tomorrow ;P
05:34.22art3misit's so sexy
05:34.23Tekkubarty's an opinionated bitch ain't he...
05:34.27Nechcknart3mis  will surely be cool
05:34.36art3mis8.5x9x9 3drawer!
05:34.40GuillotineI saw a demo of this in videos from the GDC, but I guess someone made a flash version
05:34.41Nechcknare you going all lights and stuff?
05:34.52art3misi dont think i have any leds
05:34.55NechcknGuillotine  that is pretty neat, how simple it is
05:35.03art3misbut the bottom drawer is a functional drawer
05:35.06art3misfor stuff
05:35.13Nechcknart3mis j/w   ha-  that's always handy
05:35.21GuillotineNechckn: I can't get past level 10 :(
05:35.23Tekkubstuff drawers FTW!
05:35.33art3misi couldnt find any 2drawer ones
05:35.39art3misso i got the smallest 3 they had
05:35.45art3misand a dremel
05:35.47art3misso im all set
05:35.58Tekkubdremels are the best thing ever
05:36.04art3misplus the drawers actually work so i can slide them out to fix stuff swap drives etc
05:36.06NechcknGuillotine  I'm only on 2 so I can't even cackle at you for your level 10ness  =)
05:36.23art3misand im gopnna make a custom bracket for my slimline dvd once i get it
05:36.34Nechcknoh man.. that was one of the best things I have ever purchased re: dremel
05:36.56art3misyeah
05:37.09art3miswhen i get my nano and pico it's gonna rule even more
05:37.18art3misthe nanos are 10mmx10mm
05:37.22Nechcknmmmm....
05:37.25art3mispico is 10mmx7mm
05:37.32art3mistotally fanless
05:37.37art3misand under 80w ;P
05:37.38Nechcknthat's impressive
05:37.46art3misWITH 3.5 drives attached
05:37.49Nechcknunder 80 is even better
05:37.59Nechcknewwwww why?
05:38.02art3misthey can run under 45w
05:38.08NechcknAhhhh got it
05:38.12art3misbut i dont have any spare 2.5's
05:38.23art3misyet
05:38.36art3misheh im totally into this
05:38.40art3misit's gona be awesome
05:39.01art3misa single drawer in this case is a full pc
05:39.13art3misso i can have a 3 computer cluster in the same amount of space ;P
05:39.25NechcknI only recently began looking into much of the Steampunk stuff, as some in here might recall, and I am trying to think of the craziest PC mod
05:39.39art3missomeoen modded a toaster
05:39.45Nechcknthat is "useful" yet still cool  - especially unexpected
05:39.46art3misand ran netbsd on it
05:39.50NechcknHa... that is cool
05:39.51art3misit's running as a mail toaster
05:39.58art3misone of the slots is the dvd ;)
05:40.08art3mischeck mini-itx.com
05:40.16NechcknCan they still toast bread?  now that would be hot!
05:40.16art3misthe laptop the guy made is sooo pretty
05:40.23art3misshiny silver
05:40.25art3mis15" lcd
05:40.32art3misin one of thsoe silver attache cases
05:40.57art3misthe bookshelf is my fav though
05:41.03art3misguy made a hallow shelf
05:41.15art3misput the thing inside networked it and put in speakers and controls
05:41.21art3misso its a networked mp3 player
05:41.29art3misAND a shelf that can hold stuff!
05:42.02art3mismost of the nano boards do hdmi/dvi/svid out and 5.1 digital audio
05:42.16art3misand run knoppmyth all slick
05:42.28Nechcknthe digg  case all the way @ bottom is pretty smooth
05:42.33art3misyeah
05:42.40art3misoh mines got wireless too
05:43.13art3misgona get a few little 80mm silent fans for the case
05:43.20art3missince the hdd heats up when used
05:47.30Nechcknhmmm...  see, I really want a laser cutter, so I'm sort of wondering if I should wait til prices drop or just bite the bullet and get one
05:47.46NechcknI think that would be like the ultimate mod tool for some time to come
05:48.06Nechcknsince you can cut everything from plastic to stainless (with filters)
05:48.12art3misheh
05:48.16art3misyeah
05:48.18Nechcknthey have come down a bit... but still a bit much
05:48.22art3misthat would be rather awesome
05:48.36NechcknYou could hollow out all kinds of crap
05:48.53Nechcknyou know, to plug in that unexpected doo-dad or gadget
05:49.41Nechcknobvious other stuff are laser-engraved <insert name of piece> so you could put all kinds of cool "tags" on stuff
05:50.26art3mislaugh that would get annoying if grapphiti people started using them ;P
05:50.40Nechcknmeh.. will have to wait just a bit I think- something supposedly coming soon that will tank the price and make 'em really affordable
05:50.49Nechcknhahahah indeed
05:51.24Nechcknlaser etching your gang tag on those nice 20x40 windows on the really high-end sky scrapers and such
05:51.34art3mishahah
05:51.37Nechcknnot that I have one... but you know
05:51.53Nechcknnerd-gangster  not usually a good combo
05:52.36Nechcknokey doke- off for a bit.. going to try to do better than Guillotine on OneMoreLevel  =)
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06:10.55GuillotineAnybody solod the first boss of MgT yet?
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06:12.22Cairennwb Cidan
06:12.35CidanI never left
06:12.38CidanI've just been quiet
06:12.39Cidan:D
06:12.41Cairennyou didn't actually have to change your script if you didn't want to, have the channel on an auto-forward
06:12.50CidanEh, no reason not to I guess
06:13.05CidanWhere's Shirik?
06:13.08Cidanoh there he is
06:13.12Cairenntrue enough - was just making it as painless as possible
06:21.10KeiasGuillotine, you can solo him?
06:21.38GuillotineKeias: I solod him in a group that cleared the adds right before first. I'm having trouble beating them though
06:21.45GuillotineIts not too hard as a well geared feral druid
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06:21.53GuillotineI tank him, then when he starts channeling I jump down and heal
06:22.00Guillotineand just wear him down
06:22.03Guillotinehe does shit damage in normal
06:24.12KeiasDamn
06:24.19AbsoRayneIs there a Dogtag for a Unit Recieving a Heal
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06:24.21KeiasI was hoping it was some kiting method, so I could do it on my mage lol
06:24.22AbsoRayne?
06:24.52GuillotineKeias: you could well be able to kite him
06:24.57Guillotinethe room is perfect for that
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06:26.23KeiasI should give it a shot next time I'm in there
06:26.34KeiasI already got exalted, so my rush has died down for the place lol
06:28.36GuillotineI got it on my priest, so I've decided to have fun on my druid
06:29.03Guillotinegrr, just can't solo these groups before him
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06:29.13GuillotineI do fine until one gets down to 50% and quaffs its pot
06:29.26Kirovwhat the ...
06:29.46Kirovnew channel name freaked me out
06:29.55Cairennheh
06:29.59Cairennhi Kirov
06:30.13Cairennyou don't have to change your login script, it auto-forwards
06:30.22Cairennthey're real :)
06:30.57Kirovgot tired of "is this a channel for just wow interface?" or "what's a wowi?"
06:31.09Cairennsomething like that
06:40.47KillerDreamingCairenn.
06:40.49KillerDreamingI missed you.
06:41.07Cairennthat's cause I move quick!
06:41.13Cairennyou have to aim better
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06:42.08KirovOr lead your target
06:42.15Cairennthat too
06:42.21Cairenn~staple ckknight
06:42.22purlACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples ckknight quite well, and hands ckknight to cairenn
06:42.29Cairenn!
06:42.36Cairennthat's not nice Kirov!
06:42.40ckknightgimmeh bettar intartubez
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06:42.59Cairennckknight: still stuck with that crappy connection at the hotel?
06:43.07ckknightfor 1 more week
06:43.14Cairennbet you can't wait
06:43.18ckknighthehe
06:43.23KirovCairenn - don't worry, they're crazy slow.  You can make yourself a cup of coffee and a sandwich before it hits you.
06:43.24ckknightthen I get to go to another hotel
06:43.27ckknightfor a little while
06:43.31Cairennckknight: heh
06:43.34ckknightthen hopefully a real apartment
06:43.48Cairennwell hopefully the other will at least have decent internet
06:44.00CairennKirov: true enough
06:44.21ckknightyea
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07:11.03Kirovanyone know if eepanels still works?
07:11.27Gngskthere's eepanels2 and kgpanels
07:11.37Gngski think both of those still work
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07:21.11kergothCairenn: would you mind moving my little Prospector addon from beta-version interfaces to tradeskill mods for me?  thanks.
07:21.35Cairenndone :)
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07:26.52KirovCairenn: can you move all of my addons from beta / outdated to current... oh, and fix all the bugs in them so they actually work?
07:26.56Kirov;o)
07:26.59Cairennlol
07:27.03Cairennno
07:27.12KirovCan you make dolby do it?
07:27.17Cairennno
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07:28.05Kirovdamn
07:28.25Cairennlife sucks, huh? :p
07:28.25NechcknGuillotine  wow... 10 is rather tough, eh?
07:28.34Nomwtf is up with the new channel name? :/
07:29.28NomI liked the old lounge though
07:29.32NomIt was comfortable
07:29.40NomIt had character
07:29.46Cairennoh, I brought all the comfy chairs and stuff, no worries :)
07:29.53Nechcknthis is the new, ultra plush lounge.. with extra fluff!
07:30.04NomIt's not the same
07:30.10Mr_Rabies2except the one with mysterious stains no one wanted to touch but i'd just write that one off as a loss
07:30.52NechcknThere is always *that* chair
07:32.09Nechcknor couches... chaise lounges... et cetera
07:32.11Nechcknoof...
07:32.34Cairennlol
07:32.36CairennI can imagine
07:32.48Cairennalthough I'd just as soon not ;)
07:33.01Nechckngood lord, and imagine the absolute worst for the most part
07:33.10NomIt was just vanilla ice cream... on a hot day...
07:33.45Nechcknoh man... it's been a while... we had all of this velvet stuff at one time and wow... it did not stay "cool" for long
07:33.53KirovNechckn - ick, coke stains are the worst
07:33.55Mr_Rabies2on an unrelated note
07:33.55Kirov;)
07:33.56Nechcknnot even "bad" stuff, just general use
07:33.57NomThe absolute worst thing you can do in a night club:  use blacklights
07:34.00Mr_Rabies2http://live.yahoo.com/Mr_Hands_Returns is awesome
07:34.05Mr_Rabies2despite his namesake it's mostly worksafe
07:34.10NechcknNom  correct!
07:34.54NechcknMr hands... ha
07:35.21Nechcknoh.my.
07:35.27BibiMr_Rabies : wtf.
07:35.32Nechcknit's like The Godfather
07:35.47Nechcknonly that sucker is still twitching!
07:35.56Mr_Rabies2he was rocking out on a rock band guitar
07:35.58Mr_Rabies2earlier
07:35.59Mr_Rabies2like
07:36.06Mr_Rabies2apparently he's been doing that for like hours
07:36.44Wobinoh god
07:36.47WobinMichael Jackson
07:36.59Nechcknthat is insane Mr_Rabies  /clap
07:37.15KillerDreamingWho said Rock Band?
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07:37.43KillerDreamingI was pooping and I heard some one say Rock Band..
07:37.44KillerDreaming<.< >.>
07:38.05Mr_Rabies2scroll up
07:38.07CairennKillerDreaming: tmi
07:38.11Mr_Rabies2it's not like the text disappears
07:38.12Mr_Rabies2D:
07:38.16KillerDreamingPsh, Carienn.
07:38.23KillerDreamingCairenn*
07:38.28KillerDreamingDon't act all innocent, giiirl.
07:38.53Wobinsong is over
07:38.55Wobinnow what?
07:39.10Fisker-hey Wobin
07:39.11KillerDreaminghttp://youtube.com/watch?v=BZSKvSz1roQ&fmt=18
07:39.16Fisker-i am superior to your species
07:39.21Mr_Rabies2and there he goes
07:39.23WobinOh god, it's the whole Black and White CD
07:39.26Mr_Rabies2breaking out the rock band guitar again
07:39.28NomLOL
07:39.32NomHe's got the guitar out
07:39.33NomNice fine Mr_Rabies2
07:39.50GuillotineNechckn: let me know if you beat 10
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07:40.00WobinGuillotine: I hear it goes to 11?
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07:40.10Guillotinehuh?
07:40.28Wobin~fail Guillotine
07:40.29purlGuillotine: FAIL!
07:40.37KillerDreamingShould I get naked on this Yahoo thing?
07:40.40KillerDreamingand wave my penor on cam?
07:41.01Mr_Rabies2honestly you're in a room filled with /b/tards they'd probably start screencapping
07:43.50Guillotineif you actually have people watching, insert rickroll into linein
07:43.54Guillotinerickroll anybody watching
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07:44.03KillerDreamingklol
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07:44.06KillerDreaminggot my cam turned on.
07:44.10KillerDreamingContemplatin git.
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07:44.42Guillotinewtf
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07:44.56KillerDreaming?
07:45.02Guillotineput a shirt on :P
07:45.03KillerDreamingI'm in thre. :D
07:45.04KillerDreaminglol
07:45.05KillerDreamingnoes
07:45.13GuillotineI know, it appears at the bottom
07:45.32KillerDreamingGuess what?
07:45.35Mr_Rabies2you're
07:45.40Mr_Rabies2pinching your nipples
07:45.41Mr_Rabies2:(
07:45.52Guillotineseriously, start rickrolling people
07:45.53Mr_Rabies2this is awkward
07:45.58Mr_Rabies2i'm just gonna close that now
07:46.25GuillotineWhy are we watching this guy with a horse mask on do a seizure dance? :(
07:46.31GuillotineWhat is wrong with society?
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07:47.07Mr_Rabies2it's mesmerizing
07:47.22GuillotineThen theres the /b/tard in the guy fawkes mask
07:47.48Guillotineyahoo live was the worst idea ever
07:48.01Guillotineits like youtube, except you can view the retardedness live
07:48.06Mr_Rabies2it seems to be more reliable than stickam
07:48.11Mr_Rabies2stickam's choppy and buggy
07:48.27KillerDreamingSlow wanking.
07:48.29KillerDreaming:)
07:49.05Mr_Rabies2i feel better watching this live
07:49.12Mr_Rabies2it's like watching a recorded concert otherwise
07:49.16Mr_Rabies2not the same feeling
07:49.29GuillotineYou know what. I'm going to see if my old webcam works
07:49.32Guillotineand rickroll people
07:49.41Guillotineactually, I'll see if theres a webcam emulator first
07:50.28KillerDreamingI'm wanking. :)
07:51.33Guillotinegood for you
07:53.14KillerDreaminglol guitar and drums same time.
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07:58.21Nomgeh
07:58.35Nomblizzard needs to give you a free 70 after you've already levelled like 2 or 3
07:58.55Nomwtb level 70 on my druid... i want to spec resto already :(
07:59.04wereHamsterI've heard someone did 1-70 in two ~days
07:59.20waj|afkOkay, the horseman is alright and all, but I think I want to chat with Professor Hinsley now.
07:59.21wereHamster~two days
07:59.24Nomyea less than 2 days /played
07:59.36Nomwaqsn't solo tho
07:59.43Nomit was using level 70's to power grind
08:03.47GuillotineNom: don't bother with resto druid
08:03.52GuillotineI have a 70 druid and 70 priest
08:03.57Guillotinedisc is SO much more fun than resto
08:04.19KillerDreamingPenis shown.
08:04.49GuillotineGood for you. I think all of us closed your window a long time ago
08:05.07KillerDreamingI was waiting.
08:05.08KillerDreaminglol
08:06.07Guillotineaww, yahoo live won't let me broadcast :( Firefox keeps crashing
08:07.24Guillotinehmm, IE is crashing too
08:07.28Guillotinebut I want to stream rickroll :(
08:07.47wajGuillotine: maybe it's actually Flash that's crashing on you then?
08:07.55Guillotinecould well be
08:10.14Guillotineoh well
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08:13.52GuillotineWell, I'm going to head to bed since this isn't working. Feel free to just view what would have been on my webcam at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
08:14.41NomYeah, but I can't stand to level a priest
08:14.44KillerDreamingBlah.
08:14.44NomAnd priests are boring :)
08:14.54Guillotinenot at all
08:15.01GuillotineLevel shadow and go for all spirit
08:15.06Guillotinewith spirit tap, you have NO downtime
08:15.22KillerDreamingIf anyone went to that link Guillotine just gave:
08:15.23KillerDreaminggtfo
08:15.29KillerDreaming<3 noobs.
08:15.45Nomi know that
08:15.49Nomstill cant stand the grind :)
08:15.53Guillotineeh
08:15.58GuillotineI really don't know how druids level
08:16.04NomCat form
08:16.06GuillotineI leveled mine back when resto was the level spec
08:16.11NomIt's like levelling a rogue
08:16.13Guillotineand I had to melee with omen of clarity
08:16.29GuillotineLeveling druid pre-1.4 sucked :(
08:17.07Guillotineanyway, night
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08:18.04Nomlol building combo points on mobs 4 levels above sucks
08:18.10Nomparry, parry, parry, parry, miss, hit
08:22.14Nechcknin that case, use bear  =)
08:22.32Nechcknafter you sneak up and shred in kitty, first, of course
08:22.44Nechcknor whatever you have at the time
08:23.02Nechckncause +4 levels they are guaranteed to be hitting you  =)
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08:25.45IrielFinally.. warlock epic mount obtained
08:25.49Dumangrats
08:26.06Nechcknnice one!
08:26.24Cairenncongrats Iriel!
08:26.41Irielthanks, that's one long and torturous chain
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08:38.50Nomlol actualyl he barely scratched
08:38.59Nomonce i used up all my bad luck on the opening attacks i managed to pwn him
08:42.37batrickckknight: dns fucked again?
08:43.16batrick(seems to work ok)
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08:52.12batrickckknight: dns fucked again?
08:54.11batrickany news if shirik won or no?
08:54.16batrickor is that tomorrow
08:54.20Cairennnothing yet
08:54.43batrickhope so, he busted his ass
08:54.44Kirovwon?
08:55.01batrick!g IEEE robotics competition florida
08:55.02batbotbatrick: Robotics At The University of Central Florida <http://robotics.ucf.edu/>
08:55.09batrickeh, not quite
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08:56.21batrickkinda looks like he got it fixed...
09:00.04batricknight all
09:00.29Cairennnight batrick, sweet dreams
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09:23.15AbsoRayneJust scored 5 void crystals from a Karazhan Badge run
09:23.19AbsoRayne\o/
09:25.35enumusing string.find would [spell|item] match either, spell or item?
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09:42.29wereHamsterbatbot> print"a"
09:42.39wereHamster--> print"a"
09:42.39batbotwereHamster: a
09:43.00wereHamsterlua> print"a"
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10:07.27mikmaCairenn|afk: ping
10:08.20Nomwow somehow i used exactly 1000 arrows
10:10.25zenzelezzfor what?
10:10.35NomMGT run
10:10.59NomI went there with precisely 4000 arrows, came back and refilled and had precisely 4000 arrows again
10:11.15Nomwithout splitting stacks :)
10:11.35AlexanderYoshicrazy spell rotations eh
10:12.39Nom3:2 steady/auto spam macro
10:12.49Nomfor the mf win
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10:23.16mikmahttp://cubo.cc/
10:28.26Adyshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6-twlgJhU ysap #10 for the fans <3
10:32.44mikmai fail to see the screaming at the background funny
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12:20.55Cairenn|afkmikma: pong
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12:21.27mikmaCairenn|afk: wtb a "view all updated addons" that shows like 1000+ addons in the list :D
12:22.29Cairenn|afkhttp://s.wowinterface.com/the_list.html imo
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12:29.02Industrialmikma: rss?
12:29.33Cairenn|afkdat 2!
12:30.27mikmaIndustrial: rss has only 100 or lesS?
12:31.08Industrialbut it updates, so it has a big big list?
12:31.14mikmaCairenn|afk: that the_list.html is pretty good, but it lacks the links to the addon info
12:31.20Industrialand with xpath with e.g. google reader you can scroll back in the list anyway
12:31.25Industrialall the way back to the beginning
12:31.25clad|officemikma: so make them yourself
12:32.22Cairenn|afkugh net split
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12:33.05Cairenn|afkwb splitters
12:41.35clad|officewow
12:41.37clad|officenow THIS is special.
12:41.42clad|officei just added 1000 tomtmo waypoints
12:41.45clad|officecart gets a stack overflow
12:41.54clad|officein WorldMapDetailFrame:GetChildren()
12:41.54clad|officelike.
12:41.55clad|officewhy?
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12:43.41Cairenn|afkthis is gonna get old fast
12:46.00DottedCairenn|afk thats why you have a client that reduces net split quits and joins to 1 line each :P
12:46.53Matrix110Gimme a Map Addon that can replace it i dont need instance maps etc. just the arrow(i think tomtom has that now?) remove black border from map, resize the frame and waypoint system!
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12:47.19Adys[14:42:17] #mysql ((NetSplit) 67 joins) #mysql
12:47.29Adysdotted ^
12:47.39Matrix110i got a extra netsplit tab
12:47.41Matrix110!
12:47.45Fisker-i'm gonna paste mine then!
12:47.52Fisker-aww
12:48.02Fisker-mirc complains about the size of the clipboard
12:48.03Fisker-bah
12:48.08DottedAdys mine tells nicks aswell though
12:48.16Adysmine COULD
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12:48.27Adysif i hadnt turned it off because i dont care about 99% of them
12:48.44Dotted:p
12:48.51Fisker-netsplits are srs business
12:48.56Adys[14:42:21] #mysql ((NetSplit) 411 quits) #ubuntu
12:49.12Dottedwin
12:49.18Adysyes does
12:49.29Adysafk
12:52.08Matrix110clad|office does tomTom include imba death messages? :P
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12:52.56Cairenn|afkmeh, 1.5 hr sleep not enough
12:54.15Adysnight cair
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12:58.58Lunessa... WASABI!
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13:00.02Matrix110hmm
13:00.03Matrix110Mapster
13:00.31Matrix110+TomTom
13:00.32Matrix110+GatherMate
13:00.32Matrix110is nice
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13:00.32Matrix110but TomTom needs to be able to set Arrows to GatherMate waypoints then iam happy :D
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13:08.00Lunessanet splitz.  we haz dem.
13:08.00Industrialhehe
13:08.20PolarinaIt's too late for April's Fool, isn't it?
13:12.53hasteby far
13:14.19PolarinaWeird..
13:17.51Industrial(it was announced)
13:19.40PolarinaAh.. So, anyone knows of any wine hacks to increase OpenGL performance in World of Warcraft? :)
13:20.07wereHamsteralready disabled pbo?
13:20.51Polarinapbo?
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13:22.07wereHamsterA common performance tweak for wine and opengl games is a registry edit. While your results may vary, many users report up to a 100% increase in framerate with no loss of stability.
13:22.18PolarinawereHamster: You mean vertex buffer object?
13:22.33wereHamsteryeah, sorry, I didn't remember correctly
13:22.53PolarinawereHamster: Disabling it reduces my performance in all in-game scenarios.
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13:24.10wereHamsterI didn't check lately, but disabling it used to give me a 100% boost in fps
13:25.33PolarinawereHamster: It increases performance for people who don't add  Option "MultiGPU" "true"  in their xorg.config file.  And adding it increases performance dramatically for high-end cards (Since they have multiple GPUs ((Not SLI!))).
13:26.15wereHamsterhigh end = >8800 ?
13:26.34PolarinawereHamster: >= 8800, >= 7800, etc.
13:27.21wereHamsterI don't understand the 'high-end cards (Since they have multiple GPUs ((Not SLI!)))' part. Does my 7800 have multiple gpus?
13:27.23PolarinawereHamster: For middle- and low-end cards, adding this option also increases performance, since you don't have to disable GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, and that extension, in it's nature, increases performance. :)
13:27.46PolarinawereHamster: It doesn't matter, really. Adding it increases performance. :)
13:28.20hastewait what
13:28.32Polarinahaste: Yes, you understood. :D
13:28.46hasteso I can drop the disabling of the extension in favor for the X option?
13:29.08Polarinahaste: Yes, in most cases (if not all).
13:29.09wereHamstertoo bad MultiGPU is incompatible with DamageEvents :(
13:29.20hasteI have a dusty old 7900 tho' :p
13:29.44Polarinahaste: Then using the X option is going to benefit you a lot.
13:29.50PolarinawereHamster: No worries.
13:30.13hasteIf I only had been at home now
13:30.20wereHamsterI do worry, since DamageEvents 'significantly improve performance and interactivity when using GLX applications with a composite manager running'
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13:31.31Polarinahaste: I haven't tested it on a lot of cards, so I can't guarantee anything, but I'm sure it'll help a lot. :)
13:32.00hastewell, my FPS has only been going down over the patches
13:32.06hasteso it's worth a go
13:32.10Polarinahaste: :P
13:33.05PolarinaThere's also Option "TripleBuffer" "true"  but I haven't bothered to try it, but it could help in FPS at the cost of latency.
13:35.47hastethat doesn't sound too win :p
13:36.24PolarinaTrue.
13:37.31PolarinaI can at least run through Shattrath City at 40 FPS with high video settings. :)
13:37.49PolarinaAnd with GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object enabled.
13:38.01Lunessacoffee ... it makes morning possible.
13:38.07haste<PROTECTED>
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13:50.46Polarinahaste: Disabling GL_EXT_bgra seems to increase performance significantly. (Most likely because driver isn't optimised for it)
13:51.20hasteit does what?
13:51.26hasteI'm not too found of disabling extensions :p
13:51.41hasteespecially since it can break other games :3
13:51.49Polarinahaste: Forces the game to pass colours as RGBA instead of BGRA.
13:52.05wereHamsterhaste, set up a separate wineprefix for wow
13:52.49wereHamsterPolarina, the extension doesn't force anything upon the apps
13:53.33PolarinawereHamster: Whatever. Doesn't change the fact that it improves performance for me.
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13:58.19hastePolarina: forcing a friend of mine to test it, as he has almost exactly the same computer specs as me :3
13:58.24LunessaI suppose I'm going to have to do the old Binary AddOn Search to see which thing is nerfing my FPS.
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13:59.17LunessaNoticed that some time in the last 2 days I went from 40-ish FPS to low 20s.
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13:59.49LylsterHey all
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14:05.58Polarinahaste: :)
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14:35.14AtriaceWow.  A channel move.
14:35.53clad|officelol
14:36.35Atriaceis there a way to reverse a tostring()?
14:36.44clad|officenot universally, no
14:36.45clad|officewhy
14:37.11AtriaceI've been given a string by another mod, and I need to convert it to an object reference
14:37.19Atriacesomething like.... tovar()
14:37.22clad|officethen that addon needs to provide you with a way to do it
14:37.23clad|officecan't be done
14:38.28Atriacenot even some way of escaping the quotation marks in the call?  Like some sort of  \stringname\
14:38.41dylanmYou're going to need to be very specific here.
14:38.44clad|officeyeah
14:38.46clad|officeyou can't be ambiguois
14:38.49clad|officeerr
14:38.51clad|officeambiguous
14:38.57clad|officetell us exactly what you need, don't speak in specific terms
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14:38.59clad|officeerr
14:39.00clad|officefucking a
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14:39.04dylanmpastey!
14:39.12clad|officegive us an example of a string you need converted to a specific reference
14:39.14clad|officetables, can't be done
14:39.20clad|officenumbers, sure... use tonumber()
14:39.26clad|officefunctions, nope
14:39.35clad|officemmm
14:39.37clad|officecaffeine
14:39.38clad|officeim' sick
14:39.41AtriaceDidn't realize I was being ambiguous.  Alright, gimme a  sec to put something up.
14:39.43clad|officenot that that is an excuse
14:40.08clad|officemmmm
14:40.10clad|officethat would be yummy
14:40.29AtriaceWas it 2 or 3 shots of espresso?
14:40.43hasteI would give you some of my biff stroganoff clad|office, but it has piripiri in it, and I don't think you want that now D:
14:41.12clad|officei had so much piripiri last night
14:41.12clad|office<3 it
14:41.53hasteit's awesome :3
14:44.22AtriaceAlright, I think this should encompass the issue:  http://wowi.pastey.net/85147
14:44.34Lunessa... suddenly, I'm starving.
14:44.55AtriaceObviously, it fails at GetFrameLevel() since foriegnvar isn't an object name.
14:45.15AtriaceHow would one go about fixing that is the real question.
14:45.42clad|officegetglobal()
14:45.57dylanm_G[foriegnvar]
14:46.02clad|officeis the same as looking something up in the global variable table.
14:46.10Atriaceah, right.
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14:56.08leethalsuggestions for games that involves piloting and firing rockets from aeroplanes, plox
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15:01.30hastestar fox! *hides*
15:03.46Lunessaleethal: Not a sim?
15:05.05leethalah, star fox, wasn't that SNES or something?
15:05.26leethalLunessa: no, I wanna fly fighter jets!
15:05.38LunessaIron Eagle?  Old... but...
15:05.43leethalbut, hmm, it could be a combat sim or something
15:05.49leethal*googles iron eagle*
15:06.26Lunessa<-- Hasn't played a Non-MMO other than CIV III or CIV IV in ... almost a decade.
15:06.47hasteleethal: it is :p
15:06.58hasteit's the game that only polygons
15:07.25leethalI never got past the first level ><
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15:09.21hasteyou could always play top gun or something
15:09.29hasteit's like the only flying game I can remember for PC :p
15:10.23LunessaI take that back... I did play some Quake II and some Playstation2 games.
15:10.33hastequake 2 <3
15:10.36hasteI still play it
15:10.50hasteor rather I still play action quake 2
15:11.25leethalI've found some flight sims for consoles, they're mostly about flying around 10 000 feet above the ground, trying to grok where 'up' is
15:11.27Fisker-hej haste
15:11.41hastehei Fisker- !
15:11.43KasoOh wow, when did this change happen?
15:11.46leethalI wanna do cool things, though. Fly close to the ground, and in canions, and stuff
15:11.51Fisker-no norwegian pls omg
15:12.00hastelies
15:13.15LunessaI'd play Quake II  - if I was playing against friends.  PUGing over the net was just a way to piss me off.
15:13.43LunessaMostly because I SUCK at FPS games, and playing against people who want to lord it over me is no fun.
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15:17.05Polarinahaste: Did applying the X option and enabling GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object increase performance?
15:17.37Fisker-madness
15:17.44hasteonly slightly, but his 7800 card is dead
15:17.49hasteso he uses a 7600 instead
15:18.34Polarinahaste: That's something. :)
15:18.59hasteyep, any increase is good :)
15:20.31Dottedanyone who doesnt have 2 9800GX2 in quad sli massivly fails at life
15:20.37Polarinahaste: The more there has to rendered, the greater the performance gain (Compared to without the X option and the extension disabled).
15:21.03hastewait what Dotted
15:21.12Dotted=)
15:22.04hasteI thought you said 9800GX in sli
15:22.04Fisker-Dotted
15:22.04Fisker-hej
15:22.04Dottedonly have 8800GT :(
15:22.04hastenot GX2 in quod :p
15:22.04haste9800 is shit tho'
15:22.04Fisker-you can't do quad sli with GX2!
15:22.04nevcairielwho wastes money on quad sli fails at life, seriously :P
15:22.04Fisker-i.e. 8 cores
15:22.04PolarinaThe 9xxx series don't have Quad SLI, if I recall correctly.
15:22.04hasteit performnce only slightly better than 8800GT
15:22.07hastePolarina: GX2 == 2xGPU tho'
15:22.12Dottedindeed
15:22.23PolarinaAnd the performance difference between the 9xxx and 8xxx series are negotiable.
15:22.40hastebut 2x8800GTX has better performance than 9800GX2
15:22.47hasteand at a lower price
15:22.53PolarinaI have 8800GTS 512
15:23.07LunessaWhy the hell spend the money to SLI anyway?  I mean... WoW gets next to no benefit.
15:23.24Dottedyes WoW is the only game in the universe :<
15:23.29nevcairielthere is no reason to go quad sli at all, its just a waste of money
15:23.35Polarina2 GPUs on one card here, at least. MultiGPU option increased performance significantly. :)
15:23.44DottedBlizzard invented gaming and 3d graphics by creating wow
15:23.53LunessaDotted - I have next to no time left over from playing WoW to play other games. :P
15:23.59nevcairieland just get a single GTX or something, its fast enough to work all games at a decent speed
15:24.00nevcairiel*shrug
15:24.05nevcairieleverything else is a waste of money
15:24.26Dottedwell Lunessa well that does not mean same applies to everyone else ;)
15:24.28Polarinanevcairiel: Quad SLI allows 64x Anti-Aliasing, that is. A waste of precious wastebasket space.
15:24.52nevcairielyeah because you need 64xAA
15:24.55LunessaYeah. SLI requires a dedicated mobo and multiple video cards.  I'm just not that hardcore.
15:25.02Dotted64x AA would go well with my 64-bit system :P
15:25.10LunessaAnd I've never tanked kara as a prot-spec pally.
15:25.18AtriaceWell... that's annoying.  clad|office, when I run getglobal()/_G[] my "evilFrame" turns into a table " { [0] = u:0x22dae5e0 } .   >_<
15:25.18PolarinaDotted: WoW is running in 32-bit mode.
15:25.29nevcairielAtriace: thats to be expected :P
15:25.29Dottedso?
15:25.33nevcairielAtriace: frames are tables
15:25.41Dottedthat doesnt make my system as a whole 32-bit
15:25.48PolarinaDotted: True. :P
15:25.55Atriacenevcariel: I was expecting "evilFrame" to become simply evilFrame
15:26.07AtriaceAt least, that's what I wanted.
15:26.10hasteAtriace: the key is evilFrame tho'
15:26.11nevcairielit is
15:26.15hastein the _G table
15:26.16PolarinaBut 16x anti-aliasing is a lot more than infinitely enough for me.
15:26.24nevcairielevilFrame is a table
15:26.34nevcairielframes are tables with userdata on [0]
15:26.45hasteand a metatable __index
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15:29.45DottedFisker- US DANES CANT COSPLAY IT SEEMS
15:29.48Dottedhttp://zip.4chan.org/cgl/src/1207408754584.jpg
15:30.15Dottedslighty wrong channel it seems aswell
15:30.21clad|officelol
15:30.59PolarinaI miss my old GeForce 6200. Back then when reaching 30 FPS was like jumping around in heavens full of happiness, it is now my worst nightmare in hell. :(
15:30.59Mr_Rabies2chin
15:31.02Mr_Rabies2jawline
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15:31.32Lunessaadam's apple
15:32.58PolarinaI'm off reinventing the wheel.
15:34.28DottedPolarina atleast thats alot more productive than watching plotless anime, when japanese imitating americans.
15:34.52PolarinaDotted: Thank you. :)
15:34.54Dotted*with
15:35.26zenzelezzI know Americans who's learned Japanese because they hate fansubs (or whatever it's called)
15:36.01LunessaI know a few dozen words of Japanese.  MOST of them from Animae or novels.
15:37.18KillerDreamingBlah.
15:37.22KillerDreamingI love you guys.
15:37.22KillerDreaming<3
15:37.29KillerDreamingI dreamt of WoWI. :3
15:37.50zenzelezz...
15:37.55Cide-that's sad and scary
15:38.03Dottedindeed
15:38.24Lunessa... KillerDreaming - seek help.  Preferably the kind with powerful drugs.
15:38.24KillerDreamingYou were in it +Dotted. You were a pimp Death Knight.
15:38.37KillerDreamingKan I share them with you, Lunessa?
15:38.44LunessaI gotz my own.
15:38.53Dotted/flex
15:38.53Lunessanom nom nom
15:38.57KillerDreamingMommy always taught my to share.
15:39.07KillerDreamingme*
15:39.19KillerDreaminglol nah I love you guys though; y'all pwn. :)
15:39.30KillerDreamingEven though I'm not that big on WoW anymore.
15:39.40zenzelezzyou don't need to suck up to anyone except Cairenn
15:40.02KillerDreamingNot sucking up. I just love this community. <3
15:40.06KillerDreamingEveryone is so nice.
15:40.28zenzelezzyou must be new here ;)
15:40.32Lunessa... are you reading the same channel I'm reading?
15:40.34KillerDreamingNope.
15:40.39KillerDreamingok, I'm lucky then.
15:40.50Cide-you're obviously stupid
15:41.06Cidesorry, I'm usually not that mean
15:41.16Cideactually, nevermind
15:41.49LunessaCide - going straight for "stupid"  I'm going to give him a 3/5 - deducting points since he didn't build to it gracefully.
15:42.06Cidefuck you
15:42.09CideI deserved at least 4
15:42.11Cidebitch.
15:42.25KillerDreamingNo. I just have a big dick.
15:42.26KillerDreaming:o
15:42.39Cidewhat mods have you created?
15:42.55KillerDreamingI'm somewhat new to WoWI.
15:43.03Cideso in this channel, your dick is more or less non-existant
15:43.22LunessaNow, see.. that's a 5.0 right there.
15:43.23KillerDreamingI started coming here around November '06
15:43.27KillerDreamingregistered Join Date: 05-19-2007
15:43.42Cidemine used to be huge, but people stole my blood vessels so now it's only mediocre
15:43.46LunessaIn fact.. that should be the MotD
15:44.00JoshBorke...
15:44.07KillerDreamingI don't make mods, but that doesn't negate the fact I've been spamming for a while. :)
15:44.34Cidestill major fail
15:44.41KillerDreamingo.0
15:44.44KillerDreamingLurk moar, nubshit.
15:44.45KillerDreaming:/
15:44.53CideI'll have you banned
15:45.03PolarinaWhat should I reinvent first? Ah.. Ace. :)
15:45.04KillerDreamingare you being kinky w/ me..?
15:45.08*** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. You don't have to change your login script, /join #wowi-lounge will still work, it'll just auto-forward you to here | "What mods have you created?" "none" "So in this channel, your dick is more or less non-existant" - Cide
15:45.18Cidelol
15:45.19clad|office<3
15:45.24KillerDreaminglol
15:45.26Lunessa<3
15:45.34KillerDreamingI never said none. lmfao
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15:45.39Polarina:)
15:45.42KillerDreamingMISQUOTED.
15:45.48Cairenn|afk(11:45:56 AM) KillerDreaming: I don't make mods,
15:45.52KillerDreamingYes.,
15:45.54KillerDreamingNot "none"
15:45.55KillerDreamingOH.
15:45.55KillerDreamingPWNED.
15:45.56KillerDreaming:3
15:46.02JoshBorke~lart clad|office
15:46.02purlflings poo at clad|office
15:46.06Cideit's not a quotation; it's a string.
15:46.10KillerDreamingWB; Kirk.
15:46.12JoshBorkeclad|office: kick me beeyotch :-P
15:46.44LunessaCairenn|afk: I was just thinking ... "so in this channel, your dick is more or less non-existant" because it has so many nuances.
15:47.01cogwheeli uninstall visual studio and logitech setpoint stops working O.o
15:47.09KillerDreamingo.o
15:47.15clad|officei just read "they steal everyone's pussy"
15:47.18clad|officei gotta go =(
15:47.19clad|officelol
15:47.20cogwheeli don't hate MS for economic reasons any more
15:47.21KillerDreaminglol
15:47.25zenzelezzcogwheel: that sounds more like Logitech's fault than MS's
15:47.32Cidemicrosoft is so greedy!!!!
15:47.36cogwheelzenzelezz: hence the "if you want"
15:47.37Lunessacogwheel: I'm seriously considering going back to XP from Vista because I can't get something to work like it should.
15:47.37zenzelezznever place files in a location where other uninstallers will touch them
15:47.41Cide^ extremely overplayed
15:47.49KillerDreamingI like Microsoft because they've convinced millions of people to give them their money willingly.
15:47.51CideLunessa: wow :/
15:47.58KillerDreamingpeople* idiots
15:47.58cogwheelLunessa: me too :(
15:47.59CideKillerDreaming: uhh, they sell products
15:48.03zenzelezzLunessa: around here people talk about "upgrading from Vista to XP"
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15:48.10nevcairieli dumped vista after one day of usage
15:48.12PolarinaKillerDreaming: I never gave them money.
15:48.13CideI run vista and I'm never going back
15:48.14nevcairielmostly due to speed issues
15:48.15LunessaFrwaking Windows Installer Service WILL NOT STAY ON.
15:48.17KillerDreamingYes. and I torrent their products.
15:48.19KillerDreaming:o
15:48.19Cideit's so much better
15:48.27KillerDreamingI will not pay for faulty poop.
15:48.28cogwheelI really love it, but simcity 4 crashes after about 1/2 hr of play
15:48.29KillerDreaming>o<
15:48.39Cidecogwheel: you sure it's vista?
15:48.42nevcairielwhat do people "love" about vista?
15:48.45nevcairielit has new looks
15:48.46CideKillerDreaming: it's not faulty
15:48.49nevcairielits damn slow in comparison
15:48.50nevcairiel:P
15:48.51KillerDreamingLOL.
15:48.51CideI don't care about new looks
15:48.51Polarinanevcairiel: XP too.
15:48.52cogwheelCide: yep. i had xp on this same comp last year
15:48.56Cideit's the small things
15:48.57LunessaActually - it's very fast.  VERY fast on my machine.
15:49.18Cidethe clicky directories in the explorer, the start menu search, the snipping tool
15:49.25Cidefavorite links in explorer
15:49.26cogwheeland every game i play has about 20% framerate hit even with composition disabled
15:49.28Cidestacks
15:49.37nevcairielLunessa: on XP i can run two copys of WoW, both running very smooth and playable, on Vista when i start the second, i get veeeery bad lag and nothing works :P
15:49.38cogwheel(compared to XP)
15:49.38Cide**hardware rendered tooltips**
15:49.41Cide^ best thing ever
15:49.45Lunessabetter search, better indexing.
15:49.55Cideheh, indexing is actually the one thing I can't get to work
15:50.12CideI added my downloads dir to indexing and since then search pulls up nothing
15:50.13PolarinaMaybe I can run 2 instances of WoWs?  *tests*
15:50.14KillerDreamingI'll give Vista this: It's pwetty.
15:50.22KillerDreamingThat's all I know about it ATM.
15:50.27KillerDreamingHave not used it.
15:50.36Cideand yet you call it poop. nice one, dumbshit
15:50.46KillerDreamingBased on popular vote.
15:50.47cogwheeli love it, really...
15:50.49KillerDreamingNot own opinion.
15:50.56Cidethen you don't have an opinion at all :P
15:50.59AtriaceI think Cide was stung as a child.
15:51.02KillerDreamingYes I do.
15:51.03LunessaI can't get the stupid Installer Service to work properly.  And ... ffs I'm the Admin account, and apparently that's not sufficient for some Admin functions... But  there's no other account on the machine!
15:51.10CideAtriace: in the behind
15:51.15AtriacePoor thing.
15:51.15KillerDreamingHard.
15:51.38nevcairielI dont like vista, it doesnt really offer me anything that i would miss in XP, sure some stuff is nice, but not that i need it for the performance drawbacks i get
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15:52.09Cideit's not slow at all for me
15:52.18Cideare you running like 128mb ram?
15:52.23nevcairielnah 2 gigs
15:52.34KillerDreaminglawl
15:52.38KillerDreamingx.x
15:52.53nevcairielcogwheel: try reinstalling the mouse driver first =P
15:52.57cogwheel:P
15:53.16cogwheelwell, i really *was* doing this for the purpose of reinstalling vs
15:53.28KillerDreamingRuined opportunity?
15:53.59cogwheeli had some of the "express" components alongside VS05 standard, and i think the former somehow disabled some of the features of the latter
15:54.10nevcairielheh
15:54.17nevcairieli need to install vs05
15:54.21nevcairielneed to do some work again
15:54.56LunessaThanks to my Windows Installer Service problem... I can't uninstall ANYTHING.
15:55.14nevcairielanyone tried vs08?
15:55.37nevcairieli got it from MSDNAA, not sure if its worth using
15:55.47Drundiaomg highroller doesn't work
15:55.51KillerDreaminglol
15:55.55Drundiawe all rolled 21-35
15:56.06nevcairielit has a name blacklist
15:56.07Drundiaworks opposite now
15:56.10KillerDreamingI rolled all night long.
15:56.17KillerDreamingWorked fine.
15:56.43Drundiait probably has a cooldown after i got that melee dps sword from heroic kael for my lock
15:57.09KillerDreamingBastard. lol
15:59.32PolarinaDrundia: HighRoller only works when you believe in it. That's how the Human brain works. Simply being convinced to something will make your rolls high. But now that you know it's April's Fool, this mythology won't work anymore.
16:00.09nevcairielhow does believing in highroller change the wow pseude random number generator ? :P
16:00.10Cideit won't make your rolls any higher at all
16:00.13Cidedon't be stupid
16:00.18Polarinanevcairiel: It doesn't. :)
16:00.31PolarinaCide: I didn't say anything about that..
16:00.40Cide"Simply being convinced to something will make your rolls high."
16:00.42Cideright.
16:00.48PolarinaCide: Wrong wording. :(
16:00.54Cidethat's your fault
16:02.22PolarinaWell, it's a mythology, and it won't work anymore..
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16:08.31Lunessa~staple ckknight_
16:08.32purlACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples ckknight_ quite well, and hands ckknight_ to lunessa
16:08.40ckknight_soz, Lunessa
16:09.00Lunessastation
16:14.04nuoHephaste, does oTravi still exist somewhere?
16:14.40hastenuoHep: as Atropine on wowi
16:15.01nuoHepgreat! thanks
16:16.15KillerDreamingPizza.
16:16.32DrundiaPolarina, I think everyone on this channel knows that HighRoller is just April joke, but it's new thing to blame for any observed patterns.
16:16.53KillerDreamingHIGHROLLER WAS AN APRIL FOOLS JOKE?
16:17.05KillerDreamingwtf. it worked for me.
16:17.09Drundianot really
16:17.12KillerDreamingYou're lieing.
16:17.18Drundiayou shouldn't trust anyone entire April
16:17.23KillerDreamingoh. I thought you were being serious.
16:17.31DrundiaApril Fool's Day lasts entire April
16:17.43KillerDreaming:D
16:18.13KillerDreamingSheesh. /b/ has sucked lately.
16:18.20KillerDreamingLately meaning the entire last 2 years.
16:18.54Temwow
16:19.01TemI've never had to ignore anyone on irc before
16:19.04Tem2 in one day
16:19.05Temamazing
16:19.17KillerDreamingSo annoying.
16:19.17PolarinaTom: Whom did you ignore?
16:19.26Polarinas/Tom/Tem/
16:19.27CideI wish my ignores stuck
16:21.30CideI guess that's your answer
16:21.39KillerDreamingHa.
16:21.58Temhmm?
16:22.12Temoh, I guess I shouldn't be surprized that the conversation makes less sense
16:22.23clad|officehahaha
16:22.26clad|office<3
16:22.59KillerDreamingWow. This is so common.
16:23.04KillerDreaming"Lawl I ignored someone."
16:23.10LunessaThat is full of win.
16:23.20KillerDreaming"Oh, what? Huh? are you talking to someone? :o"
16:23.28KillerDreaming"Oh. I can't tell. I ignore them. :3"
16:23.35clad|officeyes
16:23.38clad|officethat would be the same
16:23.40clad|officeexcept not at all
16:23.48clad|officeconsidering tem is ignornig two of the most annoying people in the channel
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16:23.52clad|officeand they're talkign to each other
16:23.53KillerDreamingoh, yeah, all that. and your mom
16:23.55KillerDreaming>o<
16:23.56clad|officeinterleaved
16:23.57sag_ich_nicht~lart MewX
16:23.57purlbeats MewX over the head with a microkernel
16:24.02*** kick/#WoWUIDev [KillerDreaming!i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by clad|office (not amused)
16:24.29sag_ich_nichti will not be made responsible for ANYTHING he says
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16:24.59KillerDreaminglawl
16:25.01clad|officeKillerDreaming: Other people here may be willing to put up with your crap.  I am not.  Thanks.
16:25.03KillerDreamingcounter-pwn kicked
16:25.08KillerDreaminglawl k
16:25.13clad|officeno, this isn't a lawl k
16:25.25sag_ich_nichtKillerDreaming
16:25.27TemFor the record, that would have been a ban from me
16:25.28sag_ich_nichtstfu
16:25.28KillerDreamingHi.
16:25.29sag_ich_nichtand gtfo
16:25.35KillerDreamingkno D=
16:25.39sag_ich_nichtbecause your trolling skills equal about zero
16:25.45KillerDreamingNot trolling.
16:26.04TemI don't know what was said (yay), but I know enough to guess how quickly I would have banned
16:26.15sag_ich_nichtyeah. sure. now shut up before i start making you cry :P
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16:26.25clad|officeguys seriously
16:26.29KillerDreamingYeah. kno
16:26.31MewXtrivial question: why isn't the backdrop displayed anymore after using SetBackdrop({bgFile = "\\Interface\Icons\Spell_Holy_WordFortitude"}); ?
16:26.32clad|officei expect better than this from all of you
16:26.35Temlalalalala
16:27.18TemMewX, because that's not a valid texture path
16:27.31MewXwell, it works when first used in the xml file >_>
16:27.43Temchange it to "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Holy_Word_Fortitude"
16:27.45clad|officeXML is not the same as Lua
16:27.55clad|officeyou need to escape \ in normal lua strings
16:28.35MewXah, stupid... thanks
16:29.55MewXworks now
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16:40.01Temlol sweedish
16:41.10Mikkoi!
16:42.27Lunessa... does he giggle like the Pillsbury Dough Boy?
16:42.45CideI hope so
16:43.20JoshBorkelol
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16:49.16AtriaceHow would one distinguish multiple targets if they all have the same name?
16:49.28dylanmGUID?
16:49.36dylanmThat's the quick answer now.
16:49.39AtriaceI thought GUID wasn't accessable?
16:49.53CideUnitGUID(unit)
16:49.56dylanmUnitGUID(yourfavoriteunitnamehere)
16:50.27Atriaceie., UnitGUID("targettarget")?
16:50.28dylanmYou can't feed the GUID into any other Blizzard functions but for just tracking it's amazing.
16:51.33PolarinaAtriace: Patch 2.4 made the GUID accessable.
16:51.38AtriaceDanka
16:56.12foxlit= Death!The Illidari Council0xF130005B820005C4
16:56.13foxlitHm
16:56.17cogwheelfwiw, renistalling VS did indeed restore my muse drivers to a working state :P
16:56.56foxlit(as opposed to simply dying as separate entities)
16:57.10zenzelezzmuse driver? :-o
16:58.34cogwheelzenzelezz: driver, software, w/e you want to call it
16:58.38cogwheellogitech setpoint
16:59.55Mr_Rabies2setpoint drivers are so flaky
17:00.09Mr_Rabies2it's fun to use the uber drivers or whatever
17:00.22cogwheeleh... once i get them set up they don't give me any problems
17:00.36Mr_Rabies2like
17:00.39Mr_Rabies2mouse buttons
17:00.42Mr_Rabies2are really flaky in games
17:00.45Mr_Rabies2with them installed
17:00.55cogwheelthat can depend on the mouse itself
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17:01.23Temsince when does tekkub come here?
17:01.35Xinhuanhas anyone verified if renaming characters, or transferring characters will retain your UnitGUID?
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17:02.01TekkubSince I realized all the people that piss me off are gone or silent
17:02.05nevcairielwhy do we even have two ckknight's now that constantly time out? one wasnt enough ? :P
17:02.16Tekkubwell, most all, the others are in other channels I'm in tho
17:02.21Xinhuanone's on pacbell, one's on comcast, clearly
17:02.28ckknight_because one is batrick's shell, which I can't access
17:02.51nevcairieli bet the one doesnt time out
17:02.55nevcairieland you just kill him all the time
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17:04.09sag_ich_nicht[19:01] <Xinhuan> has anyone verified if renaming characters, or transferring characters will retain your UnitGUID? <--nope
17:04.14sag_ich_nichtnot yet
17:04.15sag_ich_nicht:P
17:04.40Fisker-kinda a waste to test out
17:04.58cogwheelaww...
17:05.02cogwheelif you had only asked me yesterday
17:05.23sag_ich_nichtlol
17:05.24sag_ich_nichtNUB
17:05.26sag_ich_nichtI KILL YOU
17:05.32Xinhuanwhy cog?
17:05.44cogwheeli just transferred a toon
17:05.50Xinhuantransfer another one!
17:06.01Lunessazomg cog did you transfer to some server not mine?  Woe!  *gnashing of teeth*
17:06.02cogwheelthis was my third ><
17:06.17cogwheelno... moved one of my alts to the realm Cogwheel's on
17:07.10cogwheeldefinitely one of the cooler things about EVE :P
17:07.17cogwheeleveryone's in the same "realm"
17:07.18Xinhuano_O
17:07.29Xinhuansame realm == more trash talking :)
17:07.44cogwheelthat's what alts are for :P
17:07.49Mr_Rabies2which is fine in eve
17:07.52Mr_Rabies2you want to play mindgames
17:07.57cogwheeland yeah... that's sort of part of the atmosphere
17:08.01LunessaMeh, I need trash talking I just log into my realm-forum.
17:08.09Mr_Rabies2if i had the time i'd join goonswarm
17:08.11LunessaThey hate everyone there.
17:08.12Mr_Rabies2if they're still around
17:08.34cogwheelhttp://www.cogwheel.info/eve/
17:09.56Fisker-i can do it
17:10.01Fisker-but YOU OWE ME A PIZZA DAMNIT
17:10.41KillerDreamingSome one say Pizza?
17:10.41KillerDreaming<3
17:10.42TekkubNo pizza, but I have cereal...
17:10.51KillerDreamingTEKKUB
17:10.55KillerDreamingSup homie?
17:10.58Fisker-how does i quickly get my GUID?
17:11.03TekkubRagnar O's - "Two scoops Executus! Two scoops!"
17:11.18LunessaOMG... food talk.  So hungry.  can't leave for another 5 hours... --HATE--
17:11.19dylanmFisker-: UnitGUID("player")
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17:11.48dylanmcogwheel: Did you ever get the GUI for macrosequence working?
17:12.07cogwheeldylanm: i haven't really done anything on any of my addons for the last month.5
17:12.09cogwheel:(
17:12.13dylanm:(
17:13.24LunessaI weep.  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5754406188&sid=1
17:13.31Fisker-Ok
17:13.34Fisker-I got Berserklol
17:13.37Fisker-What should i rename him to?
17:14.16Mr_Rabies2what race/class?
17:14.22Fisker-hunter
17:14.23Fisker-troll
17:14.29Fisker-i thought that was logical from the name
17:14.42Mr_Rabies2nou
17:14.49Fisker-trollforfood then
17:14.51Mr_Rabies2name him finntroll
17:14.58Fisker-TROLL FOR FOOD
17:15.00Mr_Rabies2mustakrakish
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17:16.16Fisker-i just paid 13$ for renaming my char "trollforfood"
17:16.29TemFisker-, what server?
17:16.35Fisker-ravencrest eu
17:16.44Tem(don't tell me; I'm going to report for naming policy violation)
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17:17.01Fisker-then i can get him renamed back for free <3
17:17.42Temoh well, I can't report on eu
17:17.45Fisker-it's the same!
17:17.47Fisker-:O
17:17.59TemI don't have an eu account
17:18.43Fisker-so thar you has it Xinhuan
17:18.52Fisker-renaming your char doesn't change your GUID
17:19.41ckknight__Fisker-: I'd still like to know if server reboots change your GUID
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17:20.02zenzelezzthought there was a post about it somewhere, saying they don't
17:20.05Fisker-I can check that
17:20.12nevcairielckknight__: player guids are constant between reboots
17:20.20ckknight__ah
17:20.22ckknight__interesting
17:20.34Fisker-Thought he meant that the server may not update guid information before each reboot
17:20.41Fisker-indicating that my guid might still change
17:20.42schnoggo_err- those are Character GUIDs - not player, correct?
17:20.57nevcairielyes
17:21.13nevcairielbut we refer to them as player guids because its the "player" unit :P
17:21.40schnoggo_understood - but in some cases a very important distinction. :p
17:21.41Fisker-anyways
17:21.48Fisker-Bring on the anti-retard addons
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17:22.51zenzelezzI find it interesting how the 2.4 known issues list shows things like "Internal messages are displayed in the combat log when Sinister Reflections spawn during the Kil'jaeden encounter. " despite Kil'jaeden still being far off
17:23.19Fisker-anyone know what those internal messages might be?
17:23.24Fisker-They're also there for gruul apparently
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17:38.02MoonWolfFisker-, probably not very interesting messages.
17:39.48sag_ich_nicht~lart AnduinLothar
17:39.48purlfarts in AnduinLothar's general direction
17:39.54sag_ich_nichtYOU'RE USING #X-EMBEDS WRONG
17:39.54sag_ich_nichtD:
17:40.04sag_ich_nicht(or something like that)
17:41.45sag_ich_nichtwell
17:41.46sag_ich_nichtnot actually
17:41.47sag_ich_nichtwell
17:41.48sag_ich_nichtsomehow
17:41.48sag_ich_nichtD:
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17:48.22AtriaceWill wow read from a unicode lua file?
17:48.40tlundmost lua and xml i have are UTF8
17:48.41AtriaceOr, more pointedly, is WoW unicode compliant?
17:48.42sag_ich_nichtAtriace: yes
17:48.44tlundsoo, yes
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17:48.56AtriaceSpiffy
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17:49.16wereHamsterdoes WoW need the BOM?
17:49.25nevcairielno
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17:52.47wereHamsterdoes wow parse the files correctly if the BOM is present?
17:53.14apan51Hello! Quick questin, is there any "push_back"-linked-list like function in lua for a array container? (instead of using a index when assigning, ie myContainer[i] = val)
17:53.57apan51what i wanna do is: myListOfStrins.push_back(myString);
17:54.18wereHamsterno such function exists, you'll have to write one yourself
17:54.50apan51are you sure? sounds wierd
17:56.07wereHamsterwait, my bad. table.insert(myListOfStrins, 1, myString)
17:56.50TemwereHamster, using 1 there causes it to go at the front of the list
17:57.02Tempush_back seems to indicate appending to the end
17:57.14wereHamsterthen it is table.insert(myListOfStrins, myString)
17:57.20Temthough, it's been _ages_ since I've looked at the STL
17:57.26wereHamsterI ~fail at C++
17:58.04wereHamsterapan51, http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/table.insert
17:58.08apan51hehe, i work as a c++ programmer and started with lua today, the simplest things can sure be tricky in the wrong language =P
17:58.24cogwheeltime to go get a hula doll from griftah
17:59.13apan51thanks wereHamster btw
17:59.19wereHamster~pil
17:59.20purlProgramming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.
18:00.00apan51does all array indexes start at "1" instead of "0" in lua?
18:00.05wereHamsteryes
18:01.02apan51does "for i=1, MAX_RAID_MEMBERS do" mean loop while i is less or equal to MAX_RAID_MEMBERS? or just less?
18:01.50wereHamster<= MAX_RAID_MEMBERS
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18:02.12Tem>lua for i=1,5 do print(i) end
18:02.22Temlua> for i=1,5 do print(i) end
18:02.28wereHamster--> for i=1,5 do print(i) end
18:02.28batbotwereHamster: 12345
18:02.34Drundia!lua for i=1,5 do print(i) end
18:02.34batbotDrundia: 12345
18:02.39Temdamn bots
18:02.52wereHamsternever around when you need them :)
18:03.15sag_ich_nichtthis is ridiculous
18:03.19sag_ich_nichti just got this: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35296
18:03.35sag_ich_nichtbut i still haven't seen [Shard of Contempt] drop even ONCE
18:06.32AbsoRayneoh hai
18:07.38KillerDreamingIt’s better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you’re stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. — Mark Twain
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18:10.12sag_ich_nichtKillerDreaming if you'd at least proven that you're not stupid by fixing the punctuation marks so we can't tell that what you just posted is just copy pasta
18:10.41KillerDreamingIt was a copy paste. QQ.
18:11.04KillerDreamingQuotes are copy pastes in the first place anyway.
18:11.09KillerDreaming:/
18:11.09sag_ich_nichtyeah
18:11.14sag_ich_nichtso?
18:11.19KillerDreamingSo. Cry moar.
18:11.40sag_ich_nichtI
18:11.43sag_ich_nicht*i
18:11.45sag_ich_nichtasdasdasd
18:11.57sag_ich_nicht*I'd only cry if you were to /part... from joy :(
18:14.03cogwheelwhee http://thottbot.com/i34061
18:15.39KillerDreamingThat is the sexiest mount. Ever.
18:16.07apan51how do you search for a key in a lua table?
18:16.48Xinhuanjust try to access the key directly
18:17.09Xinhuanyou either get the value stored in the key
18:17.15Xinhuanor, you get nil
18:18.11apan51ah, and what if i want to remove the iterator returned by the search? can i just use remove() on it without knowing the index in the table?
18:18.26Xinhuanerr what?
18:18.30Xinhuanwhat are you trying to do
18:18.32sag_ich_nichtgrats cogwheel
18:18.35NomI've run MGT a few times and I havne't seen the hunter chest drop either
18:18.43NomWhich is painful because my hunter wants it BAD
18:19.02apan51Xinhuan, say i have a table of strings, all players in a raid, and then when a player leaves raid, i want to remove him from the table
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18:19.13Xinhuanhow are they stored
18:19.15Xinhuanin the table
18:19.53apan51local players = {}; players[i].name = "Peter"; players[i].status = "afk"; .. like that
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18:21.13Xinhuani is just a number?
18:21.20apan51yes
18:21.26Xinhuanis it their raid index number?
18:21.30Xinhuanor just a number
18:21.37apan51yes, raid index
18:21.49Xinhuanwhen someone joins/leaves, all the indexes can change, you know that right?
18:21.54Drundiai think it could be better to use names as indices
18:22.09Xinhuani.e raid12 can be a different person
18:22.15Xinhuanwhen someone joins/leaves
18:22.46apan51ok, lets say i use name as index instead then, but how do i remove the entry with index "peter" then? table.remove(t, "peter")? would that work?
18:22.52Xinhuanno
18:23.00Drundiat[name]=nil
18:23.02Xinhuanyou just do t["peter"] = nil
18:23.12apan51doh! is it that simple? hehe =]
18:23.26Xinhuantremove() is only for numberically indexed tables
18:23.26Drundiait's also faster
18:23.28apan51i gotta stop thinking stl here
18:23.31Fisker-Xinhuan
18:23.32Fisker-you got it?
18:23.32cogwheeli r nub... how do i get out of Quel'Danas? <.<
18:23.41nevcairielcogwheel: fly
18:23.41Xinhuanif you have 30 ppl, and you tremove the 15th guy, then 16-30 all gets bumped down a number
18:23.42Drundiayou fly out of it or hs
18:23.58Xinhuanif you just do t[15] = nil
18:24.09Xinhuanthen t[15] becomes nil, but t[16] to [30] isn't changed
18:24.12Xinhuani.e there's a hole
18:24.26apan51ah ok, but that makes sense
18:25.08Endcogwheel: either you fly, or there is a quest that let's you teleport out that you can do once a day
18:25.09Lunessacogwheel: Take the flight, Hearth, or complete the Ley Lines quest for a teleport scroll.
18:25.24cogwheelflight path... what a novel idea...
18:25.28cogwheel><
18:25.31Fisker-I did your test!
18:25.41Fisker-i want pizza
18:25.53Xinhuanwhat test
18:26.07Fisker-guids stay the same after namechanges
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18:27.02Drundiaaccount and server transfers? some said guids change then.
18:27.19Xinhuanso name change guid stays
18:27.22Drundiawhat i know is that you leave guild if you move character to another account
18:27.30Xinhuanaccount and servers, nobody knows yet i guess
18:27.43Xinhuanyou also leave your arena teams
18:27.48Xinhuanif you xfer chars across accounts
18:28.16Drundiamaybe it's result of guid change
18:28.56Drundiai think friend list entries persist thru renames too
18:29.10Xinhuanthey do
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18:33.59wereHamsterapan51, I'd use the GUID as the index, since you can have two players with the same name in a raid (battlegroup)
18:35.29Drundiahmmm, item links don't include crafter guid
18:35.35Drundiain that weird last field
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18:36.39Drundiabut <Made by you> stay through ptr copies at the very least
18:36.42wereHamsterckknight, you still refuse to use an irc bouncer?
18:36.58Drundiai wonder if they reappear for other people if someone transfers back
18:37.04ckknight_wereHamster: get batrick to wake up and fix his ssh :-P
18:37.07ckknight_I use that normally
18:38.19Xinhuanare you able to get the UnitGUID of someone in your raid, even if you aren't anywhere near him?
18:38.31ckknight_yes, Xinhuan
18:38.39nevcairielckknight_: why do you keep ghosting your second copy then ? :D
18:38.51ckknight_I think that's a script that's running
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18:40.04Atriaceckknight_: why do you use a _ after your name?
18:40.33ckknight_because I keep disconnecting
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18:41.12schnoggo.msg nickserv
18:41.15schnoggobah
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18:56.15Drundiahow many underscores can you reach?
18:57.53Temthe hell
18:57.57Temwhy can I see you again?
18:58.43nevcairielTem: your ignore list sucks
18:58.52Temnevcairiel, entirely possible
18:58.59TemI've _never_ ignored on irc before
19:04.33AnduinLotharsag_ich_nicht: how am I using x-embeds wrong, you nub?
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19:14.55Lunessasmack him again AnduinLothar - he needs it.
19:15.06AnduinLothar~lart sag_ich_nicht
19:15.06purlshoots sag_ich_nicht in his sleep
19:22.13AtriaceWow... you really can boil an egg inside a chicken.
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19:23.13[Liquidor]Kicked :((
19:23.35Cairenn|afk[Liquidor]: topic ^^
19:23.41Cairenn|afk[Liquidor]: <3
19:24.09[Liquidor]I've read it :] Just saw that I wasn't in the channel while playing. Was like "zomfg, i got kicked, why?"
19:24.14nevcairielyou start kicking people from the old chan now? haha
19:24.24Cairenn|afknevcairiel: everyone's gone
19:24.37Drundiahe kicked a lot of people from there earlier
19:24.45[Liquidor]nevcairiel, yeah everyone's out of the channel. Go look yourself #wowi-lounge *laughs*
19:24.46nevcairielcan you even get back in there if you left?
19:24.49Drundiathat's how we got here purl first time
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19:25.06Cairenn|afkDrundia: he?
19:25.21Drundiauhm erhm....
19:25.28nevcairiel~fail Drundia
19:25.29purlDrundia, you Fail!
19:25.33Cairenn|afkindeed
19:25.36Drundiame sorry me no mean to offend you
19:25.52Cairenn|afkapology accepted
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19:26.18Drundiaalso thanks for reminding me that i fail
19:26.20Cairenn|afknevcairiel: there is actually one way to get back in, if you know the trick
19:26.34Cairenn|afkbut there's no point, it's empty
19:27.07LunessaWoe.  Empty, like my heart.
19:27.09[Liquidor]Who owns a channel and how on freenode?
19:27.19[Liquidor]Qnet uses Q, L etc, but here?
19:27.28Cairenn|afk?
19:27.32MentalPower|AFKchanserv
19:27.36[Liquidor]kk
19:28.03[Liquidor]Oh I see
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19:44.16Dreagarhey everyone, anyone know where on the wiki i can see how to capture whether it's a right click or left click?
19:44.38sag_ich_nicht[21:04] <+AnduinLothar> sag_ich_nicht: how am I using x-embeds wrong, you nub? <--there's no standalone version that could need it(BUT the basics for it are there, but if you use x-embeds you should also use embeds.xml seperately from the other xml file you call in the .toc otherwise the purpose of having it is defeated(which is: delete embeds.xml and the Libs folder and put the libs seperately to make the stanalone into
19:44.58sag_ich_nichtunless you do some other magic with X-Embeds that nobody knows about :P
19:45.18Cairenncut off at
19:45.18Cairenn<PROTECTED>
19:45.22Dreagarmade a minimap button, and it's capturing clicks in the OnClick method, but not capturing if it's a right or left click.
19:45.33sag_ich_nicht<PROTECTED>
19:46.05Dreagarhttp://www.pastey.net/85158    I used the Bongos3 minimap button code as an example.
19:46.10Dreagarany ideas?
19:46.14IrielDreagar: that's the argument passed in
19:46.16AnduinLotharI have a packager script that parses x-embeds, grabs the libs from my svn and puts them in the Libs folder and removed them fromt he req list.
19:46.57AnduinLotharwhat difference does it make it I have an embeds.xml or not
19:47.14Dreagarahhh, so onclick has an arg passed in, called button?
19:47.22AnduinLotharself
19:47.26IrielDreagar: ou've got it right there in that example code
19:47.44Drundiastandard closure is OnClick(self, button) i think
19:47.45IrielDreagar: line 41
19:47.53Dreagari thought so Iriel, but it don't do right or left click.
19:47.55Irielhes' got that, it's set up as a method
19:47.59IrielWhat does it say then?
19:48.05Drundiaelse frame is "this" and button is "arg1" if i'm not mistaken
19:48.07Dreagaroh. hold up
19:48.07IrielWhen yu printed it out during debugging?
19:48.07AnduinLotharsag_ich_nicht: there's standalone versions on wowi
19:48.16AnduinLotharof most addons
19:48.23Dreagari gave u the wrong code, and see my problem now. :) lemme see if it works now. hold on. hehe
19:49.27Dreagarawesome. i forgot to put OnClick(button) in my code it was just OnClick(). duh. thanks!
19:50.07Dreagarnow all i gotta do is optimize all my code and i'll be set. :)
19:50.19Dreagargotta go shoppin tho. ttyl. :)
19:53.11Polarinahaste: Have you tried the X hack yet? :)
19:53.21hasteI can't
19:53.24hastenot until monday
19:53.25PolarinaOk.
19:53.33Polarinahaste: No problem. :)
19:55.13sylvanaarAnduinLothar embeds.xml is there so there is a way to remove references to nonexistant lua files
19:56.12TemPolarina, does that mean you got it to work and have not shown me a screenshot?
19:56.34PolarinaTem: No, it's a hack so you don't have to disable GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object.
19:56.41Temoh
19:57.19hasteisn't it really the oposite tho'?
19:57.26hasteyou enable a X option to not use the hack :p ?
19:57.51hastesince disabling GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object is the real hack, at least in my eyes
19:58.14sylvanaarAnduinLothar its really a wowace.com thing, as long as your addon does not generate framexml.log errors when it loads then your way is just as good
19:58.40Polarinahaste: Nah... The X hack increases performance, and significantly on high-end cards. :)
19:58.45sylvanaarFlushFileBuffers FTL!!
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19:59.17hastebut it's a valid nvidia driver option, I don't see how it's a hack based on that
19:59.55Polarinahaste: The registry entry is a valid Wine option. "I don't see how it's a hack based on that"??? :S
20:00.56hasteI actually thought that option prevented the extension from enabling the feature in the driver
20:02.12sylvanaarthe taint log does the same thing as the framexml log btw, they both flush after each write - so any writes to those files will cause noticable slowdowns
20:02.18Polarinahaste: No, it just makes Wine "falsely" report to the program that that extension isn't supported and disables the function wrappers to that extension.
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20:04.42dezziwhat happened to wowi-lounge?
20:04.53Dezzimalsomeone take over?
20:05.07Cairennno
20:05.11Cairenntopic ^^
20:06.01foxlitHrm
20:06.13foxlitI've got a slight implementation problem, and it's name is the Illidari Council
20:06.50foxlitThe general idea is that I want to estimate damage done / total health of monsters using the new combat log
20:07.13foxlitsince stuff like _DAMAGE/_HEAL is relatively transparent, it should generally work out.
20:07.42foxlitThe Council, however, is really evil.
20:08.08Dezzimalyeah reading topics is cool
20:08.10DezzimalI guess
20:08.11Dezzimal>_>
20:08.29foxlitTheir shared HP pool causes their health to fluctuate (UNIT_HEALTH spam) too frequently as it supposingly syncs damage between them
20:08.58foxlitPlus UNIT_HEALTH is generally decoupled from the combat log events
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20:09.20foxlitso it may actually fire before or after the actual damage event
20:09.37PolarinaUNIT_HEALTH == Unreliable?
20:10.20foxlitNot synchronized with combat log, anyway
20:11.33foxlitWhich is why everything from mobhealth to wowhead gives estimates that are disconnected with reality
20:11.36Polarinafoxlit: Just count the damage done to the boss (minus any self-heals, etc.) and you have the exact health when the boss dies.
20:12.04AtriaceAlright... I've got to find out a way to type ??????????? in my lua and have it read in WoW.
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20:12.36foxlitPolarina: a somewhat annoying solution, since that requires things to die before providing estimation of their HP
20:13.13hasteAtriace: You arne't sending unicode with your IRC client, unless you actually intended to just write a set of question marks :)
20:13.16Polarinafoxlit: You can use UNIT_HEALT for real-time estimation and have it in the background use the more precise one. :)
20:13.41foxlitThe bonus problem is that that strategy fails horribly for low-HP mobs
20:15.19Drundiahere is what i think about this thing
20:15.30Atriacehaste: it would appear I need to use the unicode codes themselves.... that's actually helpful, but yeah.  I sent greek and it shows as greek on my client.
20:15.36Drundiaassuming that every mob of the same name and level has the same maximum health
20:15.56Drundiaand that health is using a reasonable rounding function
20:16.16Drundiawe can at different times determine acceptable minimum and maximum health of mob
20:16.34Drundiaeventually they become the same and that's exact value
20:16.44Drundiamaximum - damage taken should be use as current estimate
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20:17.16zenzelezzwhat about unusual stuff, like wisp damage on Archimonde, does that show in combat log?
20:17.31Polarinafoxlit: That method would also fail horribly if UNIT_HEALTH was used and if it were in sync.
20:17.50AlexanderYoshiWhat up peoples
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20:18.01Drundiai would assume UNIT_HEALTH and UNIT_DAMAGE fire the same frame
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20:18.22foxlitExcept there's no UNIT_DAMAGE
20:18.28IrielUNIT_HEALTH is somewhat asynchronous
20:18.39Drundiano UNIT_DAMAGE? what happened to it?
20:18.42Irielit's guaranteed to converge on what the combat log tells you, over time
20:18.45Drundiaor how was it named?
20:19.03Drundiaso we can use OnUpdate to determine if events are during the same frame and then based on it sync events
20:19.03Irielbut it doesn't necessarily fire for every cause of health gain/loss
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20:19.43foxlitI think you mean UNIT_COMBAT
20:19.52Drundiayes that one
20:19.58DrundiaUNIT_COMBAT then
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20:20.34foxlitThat's when we return to council
20:20.37Drundiadoes UNIT_HEALTH fire only every 1% for mobs?
20:21.07foxlitWhose HP fluctuates as their shared pool is synchronized between them, not always in relation to actual damage/healing taken
20:21.40foxlitDrundia: it fires when UnitHealth return value for that unit changes
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20:22.23Drundiaok then on percentage changes when that round(health/healthmax) changes we should track UNIT_COMBAT either right before it or right after it.... hopefully
20:23.01Drundiaand maybe having enough information it becomes possible to estimate mob health with 1 health precision
20:23.26AlexanderYoshiWhat are you trying to setup?
20:23.29Drundiaas for shared health pool i think for that we need combat log and special mod
20:23.40PolarinaDon't mobs health regenerate slowly over time, even in combat?
20:23.46Drundiadon't think so
20:23.59PolarinaHappens for players, at least, If I recall correctly.
20:24.10zenzelezzno
20:24.12Drundiaonly with certain buffs
20:24.14foxlithp5 isn't a very popular mechanic
20:24.15zenzelezzmana, yes; health, no
20:24.15Drundiatroll racial
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20:24.33Drundiatroll racial, demon armor, troll blood potions, and random health regen items
20:25.02AlexanderYoshiwarlock demon sacrifice
20:25.19Drundiait is considered healing and reported to combat log among other things
20:25.19Corrodiasyour mother
20:26.20Drundiawe are talking about regeneration that can't have its health point rate tracked
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20:27.02Drundiathat can be the only problem for 100% precise health estimates
20:27.40ScytheBlade1Haha, epic win. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5754286435&sid=1
20:27.41zenzelezzon mobs like Anetheron, Naj'entus, etc?
20:27.49ScytheBlade1Not every day a CS rep moves a keylogger to general.
20:28.35foxlitAnetheron... doesn't heal?
20:28.52Drundiais it not in combat log?
20:28.53foxlitNaj does, sec
20:29.08zenzelezzfoxlit: he has a debuff (or buff if you prefer) that heals him when he does damage, IIRC
20:29.22foxlitvampiric aura!
20:29.25zenzelezzyes
20:29.37ScytheBlade1Yeah, Antheron has a "modifier" that heals him for 50% of melee damage taken
20:29.38zenzelezzwhich is why you kill infernals far from him too, so their damage don't heal him also
20:29.48AlexanderYoshisometimes I wonder why the health of the boss isn't just there
20:29.51foxlitIt heals the infernals
20:29.52foxlitnot him
20:29.58foxlitnot taken, but dealt
20:29.58ScytheBlade1Oh? Meh
20:30.03foxlitbut other than that, point taken
20:30.03zenzelezzhm, really? I can't remember anymore
20:30.13ScytheBlade1I never paid attention, I just sit back and nuke infernals when they come close
20:30.37foxlitHrm, have a log of Anetheron
20:30.37zenzelezzhe can also heal though, just not from the infernals... this I do believe
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20:31.12zenzelezzquite a while since we were learning him now, I've forgotten most of the details that don't concern me
20:31.16foxlitHe heals on his own melee attacks, sec
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20:31.27ScytheBlade1I was under the impression melee attacks against him healed him
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20:31.34ScytheBlade1But that would not be vamp aura, which is likely is
20:31.36zenzelezzfoxlit: what's with the hopping?
20:31.45foxlitClient issues
20:31.53Drundiai think he is getting healed for 300% of melee damage he deals
20:32.02Drundiathat's what aura tooltip says
20:32.08ScytheBlade1Okay, that would fit.
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20:32.23zenzelezz"Vampiric Aura: heals him for 300% of the damage that he deals in melee." (from wiki), so points to Drundia
20:32.42foxlitBut that would show up in combat log, so it isn't really interesting
20:33.06zenzelezzdoesn't Naj'entus's healing? I've never looked
20:33.07Corrodiashey. i want that aura.
20:33.16Corrodiason my tank
20:33.27zenzelezzwarrior?
20:33.40zenzelezzif so ,you'd heal for 300 per hit ;-p
20:34.34Corrodiasdruid
20:34.43Corrodias500-1200 per hit
20:34.59Corrodiashealing for 1500-3600 per hit
20:38.58ScytheBlade1Naj'entus heals while in the bubble. ~1%/tick
20:39.06bleeterAlexanderYoshi: on behalf of a buncha folks who don't know better, thanks for the combat log ;)
20:39.22ScytheBlade1bleeter: haha, well said
20:39.25zenzelezzScytheBlade1: yeah, but does it show in combat log?
20:39.30ScytheBlade1No, iirc
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20:40.01AlexanderYoshiyou're welcome
20:40.29bleeternow if I can convince slouken to fix the damned guild roster issues and do a couple of rfcs on it (searching guildies akin to craft searching, shiftclicking a guildie to insert name to mail)
20:40.50zenzelezzguild roster issues?
20:40.56bleeter500 listed limit
20:41.17zenzelezzI never though of that as an issue
20:41.43zenzelezzbut I'm surprised it doesn't page like the AH
20:41.44bleeterour guild wanted to hang on to folks we ain't seen in up to 6 months, but this became a problem so we mass kicked some folks :(
20:42.23bleeterfrom what I've read, and kinda seems to bear out with experience, it's a server limitation thingy tho /sigh
20:42.31Drundiathey didn't expect guilds to grow past 500 members
20:42.43AlexanderYoshiits more like
20:42.51zenzelezzI find that odd, if they didn't expect that
20:42.52bleeterbut yeah, being able to search the roster like you can search a crafting profession would be hot even with less than 500 members hehe
20:42.53AlexanderYoshithere's only about 2000 active ppl on a secer
20:42.55AlexanderYoshisever
20:43.02AlexanderYoshiserver/faction combo
20:43.13AlexanderYoshiand 500 users is a lot of DB querying
20:43.15bleeteroh, members not alts?
20:43.19Drundiaalex, i'd call that "they didn't expect more than 500 people per server per faction"
20:43.34AlexanderYoshihaha
20:43.34zenzelezzAlexanderYoshi: 2000 active, each with an average of X alts?
20:43.49AlexanderYoshiYou'd be surprised to hear that most people don't have high level alts
20:43.57Drundiawell i think running census+ you get around 10000 people on an active server in a few days
20:44.09AlexanderYoshibut never at the same time :)
20:44.09zenzelezzAlexanderYoshi: doesn't matter if it's level 1 or 70, it's still a char
20:44.19AlexanderYoshiSure
20:44.27Drundiaand during beta they promised no limit of online people
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20:44.33ScytheBlade1There isn't
20:44.35bleeterbeta haha
20:44.37AlexanderYoshiw/e to promises
20:44.41Drundiahehe
20:44.47AlexanderYoshithe world changes
20:44.48Drundiayes-yes promises-fromises
20:45.01AlexanderYoshiA promise in one context is a lie in another
20:45.03ScytheBlade1You can have an unlimited number of people online
20:45.04Drundiacms never know things
20:45.07ScytheBlade1So eh.
20:45.20AlexanderYoshiPeople need to be flexible
20:45.43AlexanderYoshianyways
20:45.47zenzelezzthey could have more people online at the same time if half of them weren't in the same spot
20:46.12foxlit"lua: naj.data.lua:3557: function or expression too complex near ','"
20:46.25foxlitI wonder
20:46.26AlexanderYoshitoo complex for loa?
20:46.26AlexanderYoshiwow
20:46.29Drundiathey've been fixing loading of overpopulated cities for quite a while
20:46.33Drundiaand reducing them
20:46.45zenzelezzyes
20:46.52zenzelezzbut it's still not gone :)
20:46.53Drundiathere are still 3 overpopulated cities and 8 half-empty ones
20:47.21zenzelezz"hey, let's put auction houses in Undercity and Thunder Bluff, that'll liven them up"
20:47.28Drundiathat did
20:47.31Polarinazenzelezz: There are.
20:47.33AlexanderYoshiCide's MOTD is hilarious
20:47.38Drundiaundercity is like alive
20:47.39zenzelezzPolarina: I don't think you saw my point
20:47.56wereHamsterfoxlit, 'function or expression too complex near' means it would overflow the stack
20:47.58zenzelezzit worked, but it was not a huge improvement; at least when I was playing my orc
20:48.08foxlitI missed a {, I see
20:48.15kd3meh. darn's as empty as it always was...
20:48.21Drundiaundercity was leet bg q place pre-tbc
20:48.25foxlitthe statement was basically return { ... }, { ...}, {...} ..... }
20:48.28kd3'course, the brain-dead positioning of the AH compared to the bank didn't help
20:48.38bleeterexodar is the new darnassus
20:48.53zenzelezznot visited by most?
20:48.54Drundiaundercity auctioneers and bank have pretty ok locations
20:49.01Drundiasame for tb
20:49.03kd3I still get lost in exodar
20:49.10Drundiasilvermoon is huge
20:49.12Drundia2x of everything
20:49.14ScytheBlade1kd3: same. So, I never go there! Ever!
20:49.25Drundiaso instead of being around 1 bank/mailbox/ah people are at 2
20:49.26foxlitNaj's shield doesn't fire any healing events
20:49.41PolarinaBad.. :(
20:49.42zenzelezzI know how to get to the warrior trainer in Undercity, how to get to the bank, and how to get from bank to the Lift of Death, that's about it
20:49.55Drundialift of death :)
20:50.07bleeterexo's the only city i'm stil asking a guard for directions in
20:50.07zenzelezzI've never been able to go there without seeing skeletons
20:50.14kd3whee for the PTR build where they all were...
20:50.19bleeterand I've got a couple of 20-ish spacegoats
20:50.54zenzelezzI only know a few Thunder Bluff locations also, but more than Undercity. That said, I've only *really* played an orc and a troll on horde
20:51.13bleeterTekkub: how do I unload a guide in TG?
20:51.17Drundiai required thott help to find reagent vendor in tb
20:51.18AlexanderYoshisilvermoon is so confusing
20:51.36bleetersilvermoon's easy
20:51.41bleeterchase cat critters around, killing them
20:51.42Drundiaand actually i have no idea where is reagent vendor in silvermoon
20:51.50Tekkubyou don't
20:51.51PolarinaShattrath City is confusing. What about Dalaran?
20:51.52bleetereventually you'll get to where you're after, and have had a fun time getting there
20:51.53AlexanderYoshiits near the west city
20:52.07AlexanderYoshiDalaran's the worst, I can't find any vendors anywhere
20:52.20AlexanderYoshi*west AH
20:52.22kd3probably 'cause there aren't any yet?
20:52.28Drundianerf people with dalaran access
20:52.33kd3when's F&F supposed to start?
20:52.35AlexanderYoshimaybe it had to do something with a giant bubbe
20:52.36bleeternerf dalaran
20:52.40AlexanderYoshibeing in the way :(
20:52.50bleeterfigured someone had to start the nerf dalaran campaign
20:53.17ScytheBlade1I totally vote we get in on the former 'F' part of that.
20:53.26ScytheBlade1I've got $10 to fax a massive NDA over. ;D
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20:53.53bleeterHAS SOUND?
20:53.55foxlitactually, erase what I said earlier
20:54.07foxlitHigh Warlord Naj'entus-18970Tidal Shield
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20:54.09zenzelezzF&F?
20:54.28foxlitHis healing shows up, even if \t doesn't in this channel :)
20:54.29AlexanderYoshiI honestly have no clues
20:54.44ScytheBlade1zenzelezz: traditional blizzard pre-beta phase, "Friends & Family"
20:54.52zenzelezzfoxlit: if his healing is truly 1%/tick, I suppose that means you can accurately calculate his HP
20:55.12zenzelezzScytheBlade1: ah, cheers. Only thing I could come up with was "fire and forget", which didn't really fit
20:55.41foxlitzenzelezz: it's not
20:55.45ScytheBlade1zenzelezz: hehe, nope. They've had (private, NDA'd) F&F phases from as early as D2
20:55.56foxlitwell, it may be, but that heal doesn't much the amount of damage going into him
20:56.11foxlitHeals for 18970, died after 3169692 damage
20:56.44zenzelezzfoxlit: I wouldn't expect it to =) But they still say it's "~1%/tick". Doesn't really matter, if he heals noticably then you're doing it wrong
20:56.52MentalPowerScytheBlade1: the NDA for the BD F&F was an online click-through thing
20:56.59MentalPowererr... BD
20:56.59ScytheBlade1BD?
20:57.01MentalPowerBC
20:57.03ScytheBlade1Ah
20:57.15MentalPowerjelly fingers, don't ask
20:57.18ScytheBlade1The F&F in the past was a $7-$10 signed fax
20:57.38ScytheBlade1(I know a few people who complained about the cost, hehe)
20:57.55MentalPower20 pages or so?
20:58.12ScytheBlade1And long distance
20:58.17MentalPowereek!
20:58.27ScytheBlade1They don't have 1-800 fax numbers
20:58.33MentalPowerno one does
20:58.46MentalPowerhaven't seen a single one
20:58.51AlexanderYoshiFor the WoW F&F Alpha, I had to fax my app in from school
20:59.01AlexanderYoshithat was like 5 years ago
20:59.09bleeterAlexanderYoshi: old man!
20:59.12AlexanderYoshiso I used the CS fax machine
20:59.21ScytheBlade1Yup, same one I heard about
20:59.23AlexanderYoshiBleeter: Gosh you weren't even alive then, were you?
20:59.26AlexanderYoshiit was huge
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20:59.39ScytheBlade1It was a massive fax ;)
20:59.44bleeterAlexanderYoshi: not on this part of the planet, that's fer sure :)
20:59.54ScytheBlade1AlexanderYoshi: you know a 'Skywing' by chance?
21:00.11AlexanderYoshiIsn't that a quest in Terokkar?
21:00.13bleeterskywing wasn't bugged for me last night
21:00.18ScytheBlade1Yeah never mind :)
21:00.18bleeteri cheered heartily
21:00.29kd3har. still need to do that
21:00.49MentalPowerI think ScytheBlade1 means a person who's online handle is/was Skywing
21:00.54ScytheBlade1What MP said
21:01.31MentalPowerand based on context might work at blizz or at least was part of the WoW F&F
21:01.35ScytheBlade1The latter
21:02.07MentalPowermy contextual guessing is getting better :)
21:02.11ScytheBlade1;)
21:03.41bleeterMentalPower: nah, you're just gettin' old, too :P
21:03.48Temshould I feel bad for intentionally not tanking mobs that go to kill a hunter because he multi-shotted into CC?
21:04.01bleeterTem: nevah
21:04.08zenzelezzno
21:04.09MentalPowerI thought multi-shot did not affect CC anymore
21:04.14bleeterwell, only if it wipes the raid
21:04.19Drundiai thinkit was main target
21:04.20kd3nah, that got pulled, mp
21:04.21MentalPowerunless you specifically target a CC mob
21:04.36Drundiakd3, was it?
21:04.38zenzelezzyou can save everyone except the people who break the CC if they were being reckless
21:04.55kd3it's not in the patch notes that went live... I was the one that removed all of those references from the wiki's copy of the 2.4 notes
21:05.06Drundiahmmm
21:05.17kd3hortus said it got pulled... /tabs open bluetracker
21:05.19zenzelezzonly the chain lightning or something doesn't break CC
21:05.21CorrodiasTem: yes
21:05.24Drundiai have a strange feeling that even huge 15 yd radius explosion from seeds of corruption don't break sheeps
21:05.24MentalPowerkd3: bah, oh well, not that I care much
21:05.26Corrodiasbecause the hunter will FD and the healer will die
21:05.47zenzelezzCorrodias: let the hunter die, then take the mob
21:05.49kd3http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/5463899193.htm
21:06.01Corrodiaswell, okay, i just hope the ranged dps is standing far away from healers
21:06.29Drundiawell strange
21:06.43Drundiaseeds of corruption explode and hit targets next to sheep but not sheep
21:06.47Corrodiasonce again, a hunter is unlikely to let a mob kill him unless FD fails
21:06.53Drundiaor it's just that
21:06.56Drundia~fail Drundia
21:06.57purlDrundia: FAIL!
21:07.28zenzelezzCorrodias: true. Problematic situation really
21:07.39zenzelezzI don't usually put up with DPSers being stupid
21:07.55AlexanderYoshidrundia fails
21:08.12sag_ich_nichtASasködjaslkdasjdaskld
21:08.14Drundiayes i fail hard
21:08.18sag_ich_nichtanother gruul kill
21:08.24sag_ich_nichtand still no Dragonspine Trophy
21:08.28kd3ouch
21:08.36sag_ich_nichtI NEVER SAW THE DAMN THING DROP
21:08.39zenzelezzsag_ich_nicht: didn't you know? You have to kite him to Vael's room for that to drop
21:08.54Matrix110we had Dragonspine Trophy today and a random in the raid won it evl prolly smacked his keyboard :D
21:08.57sag_ich_nichtgeez why has blizz to be so stupid to put the best melee trinket ingame on a fucking tier 4 boss
21:08.58Matrix110*laptop
21:09.01sag_ich_nichtwith a LOW droprate.
21:09.13kd3to get people to kill him?
21:09.16kd3why's mag so easymode now?
21:09.29sag_ich_nicht[23:09] <kd3> to get people to kill him? <--NOTHING ELSE on him is that good
21:09.41AlexanderYoshiyeah
21:09.42sag_ich_nichtit's ONE item you have to kill TWO bosses for with 25 people
21:09.47AlexanderYoshiI had one drop in a raid I was in
21:09.48sag_ich_nichtit's fucking idiot
21:09.52sag_ich_nicht*idiotic
21:09.54AlexanderYoshiand some hunter got it
21:09.59sag_ich_nichtkd3: mag drops more than ONE ITEM that's useful tho now
21:10.01Matrix110cloak from his guard is actually the best cloak before the Illidari one that NEVER EVER drops
21:10.06sag_ich_nichthe drops epic gems, a ton of gold and bags
21:10.12CorrodiasBAGZ
21:10.14CorrodiasOMG
21:10.25sag_ich_nichtand he is ONE boss with a bit of trash to clear
21:10.30Drundiahow much gold for maggy now?
21:10.43sag_ich_nichtgruul drops ONE damn item that's useful and is TWO bosses
21:10.56AlexanderYoshi250g from mag
21:11.00AlexanderYoshiiirc
21:11.01sag_ich_nichtkd3: i've been hitting HMgT since patchday each day
21:11.11Corrodiasso if you could 5m Mag...
21:11.16zenzelezzAlexanderYoshi: I don't think they have a random amount anymore, think it's (raid looter list)*10
21:11.24zenzelezzwhich happens to usually be 25*10
21:11.24sag_ich_nichtand i haven't seen [Shard of Contempt] drop a single time
21:11.40sag_ich_nichtzenzelezz: AlexanderYoshi should know a BIT better
21:11.41sag_ich_nicht:P
21:11.42kd3think it's time to take the RNG out back... anyone have a shotgun?
21:11.46Drundiaeach 25-man boss seems to drop 10g per member now
21:11.48AlexanderYoshiit's fine, sag
21:11.49AlexanderYoshilet it be
21:11.55zenzelezzsag_ich_nicht: I'm saying this since every boss kill since 2.4 has been exactly 10g
21:12.03sag_ich_nichtand
21:12.31sag_ich_nichtwhat's even worse about HMgT
21:12.31zenzelezzyou should read everything I (or anyone) say with the disclaimer "could well be wrong", you should know this
21:12.35sag_ich_nichtOR ironic
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21:12.51sag_ich_nichtis the fact that i go the adamantite weapon chain drop from kael already
21:12.58sag_ich_nichtwhich is a 0.3% dropchance.
21:13.02sag_ich_nichtand still never seen the Shard.
21:13.04Drundiawhat does "iirc" stand for?
21:13.05AlexanderYoshihaha
21:13.08sag_ich_nicht~iirc
21:13.08purli guess iirc is "if I recall correctly"
21:13.10zenzelezzif I recall correctly
21:13.12AlexanderYoshiIf I r Recall Correctly
21:13.29Drundiathanks
21:13.49zenzelezzsag_ich_nicht: you're bringing chance into the matter, that's bad. You can get a 0.1% drop 100 times in a row or a 99% on none out of 50
21:13.59sag_ich_nichti know zenzelezz :P
21:14.02sag_ich_nichtit'
21:14.08sag_ich_nicht*it's still pissing me off tho :P
21:14.08zenzelezzthen I apologize; many don't
21:14.13sag_ich_nichtnever
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21:15.34AlexanderYoshirandom loot is random!
21:15.39sag_ich_nichti've said it before and i'll say it again, have 2 tokens drop from a boss, a heroic badge and one token that is unique to the boss, for n=100-itemdropchance tokens of those tokens, have the damn item available.
21:16.01AlexanderYoshirandom loot is random!
21:16.01sag_ich_nichts/tokens of/of/
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21:16.22sag_ich_nichtAlexanderYoshi: i don't give a shit this game is suposed to be fun not frustrating.
21:16.25foxlitIt sounds almost as if you want the people to get the loot
21:16.26AlexanderYoshirandom loot is random?
21:16.36Drundiathis kind of balancing would be great, sag_ich_nicht
21:16.49sag_ich_nichtDrundia: i know
21:17.02Drundiatbh i think 25-man tier token dropping bosses should now drop 1 of each oken
21:17.05sag_ich_nichtbut it'll probably never happen so meh
21:17.07AlexanderYoshiWoW is gambling
21:17.09Drundiainstead of 3 defenders
21:17.17Drundiaas usually happens in ssc/tk
21:17.21AlexanderYoshithats what makes boss kills exciting
21:17.27sag_ich_nichtAlexanderYoshi: not really, i
21:17.31Drundiaactually as usually happens in ssc
21:17.33kd3the first few, sure
21:17.36Drundiavr usually drops all heroes
21:17.37sag_ich_nicht*I'm killing bosses for the acomplishment
21:17.41kd3week 38? not so much
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21:17.45sag_ich_nichtbut i can't kill a boss if i don't have the equip for it
21:18.06AlexanderYoshione could argue why are you still in the same dungeon for 37 weeks
21:18.12Drundiaat least they've added badges and token-based tier sets
21:18.16Drundiathink abuot tier 1 and 2
21:18.23Matrix110Do Stratholme 80 times and never seen Magister Pants drop then lets talk again!
21:18.43foxlitpfft
21:18.49foxlitMagister's Pants aren't the problem
21:18.58foxlitMagister's Bracers... on the other hand...
21:19.12kd3bah, beer
21:19.17kd3must drown the memories
21:19.22Matrix110I got them when i duod Strat @60 before Naxx came then and i had T2/T2.5 then already-.-
21:21.04AdysThis is pure gold, http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/05/microsoft-pretends-to-force-yahoos-hand/
21:21.16Matrix110although doing Strat that often was nice for getting money :D
21:22.20sag_ich_nicht[23:18] <Matrix110> Do Stratholme 80 times and never seen Magister Pants drop then lets talk again! <--you CAN do strath 5 times in an hour tho
21:22.21sag_ich_nichttheoretically
21:22.24sag_ich_nichtyou can't do raid instances.
21:22.29sag_ich_nicht52 times a year.
21:22.32Matrix110true
21:22.48Matrix110but Strat before guilds went MC was even a bit hard!
21:23.01Drundiasunwell gear+sunmote for other gear is good too
21:23.12Matrix110no that fails
21:23.20Matrix110nobody got any clue what he can get of which item
21:23.25Matrix110it should be a damn generic token
21:23.28Drundiathat's true too
21:23.35Drundiabut you check exchanger
21:23.36Matrix110Cloth Token
21:23.39Matrix110Leather Token
21:23.41Matrix110Mail Token
21:23.41Drundiaand find out what you get for what
21:23.43Matrix110Plate Token
21:23.44sag_ich_nichtDrundia: agree'd, the sunwell system is nice
21:23.44kd3meh, we'll figure it out... ZG was a disaster for a while til the mods were written
21:23.45Matrix110and we are fine:P
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21:24.10sag_ich_nichtnow gimme that for the old BC raid instances Drundia :P
21:24.19AtriaceSo... apparently if you store a unicode compliant string inside a var, it prints correctly.  But if I place the same string inside a table var, it returns as a question mark.
21:24.20Drundiai know what cloth healing stuff i can turn in for what cloth spell damage stuff and if i want it
21:24.40AtriaceThere has to be a ryhme or reason to this paradox.
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21:24.49Xinhuanwhat do you mean Atriace?
21:24.57AlexanderYoshiit's the monkey's fault
21:25.23hasteAtriace: then you didn't store it correctly
21:25.27AtriaceI have some cryllic text and I put it in a var... works fine.  I put it into a table var... comes out poop.
21:25.35Drundiawhat do you mean?
21:25.40Xinhuanhow are you storing it
21:25.47Xinhuanand how are you printing it
21:25.49Atriacesimple  var = "text"
21:25.51Drundiaall strings are the same
21:26.01haste<PROTECTED>
21:26.01Drundiahow are you printing it?
21:26.02AtriaceDEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(var)
21:26.18Xinhuanas opposed to?
21:26.31Atriacetable stor = { COMBAT = "??????", }
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21:26.42hasteyou just printed question marks again
21:26.51hasteas you don't send utf-8 encoded text on IRC
21:26.56Atriaceyeah, it's because IRC isn't unicode compliant
21:26.59haste_or_ your IRC client sucks as doesn't send it correctly
21:27.03hasteIRC is
21:27.06Drundiaclient can be
21:27.12hastethe RFC doesn't specify any encoding
21:27.15AtriaceWell, my client shows it correctly at least.
21:27.22sag_ich_nichtuhm
21:27.25hasteyes, because you have it set to fallback to your native encoding
21:27.27AtriacePoint being... why would these storage methods differ?
21:27.29sag_ich_nichtAtriace your IRC client sucks
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21:27.37haste<PROTECTED>
21:27.40sag_ich_nichtupdate your xchat nub
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21:27.52sag_ich_nichtyeah
21:27.58AtriacePoint being... why would these storage methods differ?
21:28.00sag_ich_nichtstill: it's configured wrong
21:28.06Xinhuanso AddMessage(stor.COMBAT) just prints lots of ????
21:28.11AtriaceYes
21:28.17Drundiathat's weird
21:28.20Drundialet me try
21:28.20hastethen you are doing it wrong
21:28.21Xinhuanare you sure its the same string?
21:28.36AtriaceXinhuan: it is.
21:28.42hastepastey your code
21:28.49MentalPowerare you sure you're encoding it as UTF-8?
21:28.53MentalPowerin your file
21:28.59AtriaceIt is.
21:29.07zenzelezzwith or without BOM?
21:29.08Drundiaworks for me
21:29.23MentalPowerzenzelezz: no matter, WoW Lua ignores the BOM
21:29.25Atriacezenzeless: without BOM
21:29.29zenzelezzMentalPower: I see
21:29.41hasteluac doesn't however
21:29.44MentalPowerbesides the BOM for UTF-8 is always the same
21:29.50Drundiawhat BOM?
21:29.51MentalPowerhaste: you can modify it so it does
21:29.54Drundiai'm noob i know
21:29.57MentalPower~wtf bom
21:30.02zenzelezzDrundia: UTF-8 byte order mark
21:30.04MentalPowerpurl sucks
21:30.05purlonly if you ask nicely and pay well.
21:30.09Drundiaah that
21:30.15Drundiafirst 3 bytes in file?
21:30.19MentalPowerno
21:30.26Drundiahmm
21:30.27hasteMentalPower: you have a patch for it? :3
21:30.29MentalPowerit can be more or less than three bytes
21:30.43zenzelezzI thought it should be just 3 for UTF-8?
21:30.47MentalPowerhaste: cogwheel does, in WoWI
21:30.54MentalPowerzenzelezz: it is
21:31.08hasteMentalPower: I run linux, and his wowlua is already compiled for windows I believe
21:31.09Drundiai'm not sure, but maybe they shouldn't be in file at all for wow to work properly?
21:31.16MentalPowerDrundia: the BOM varies between encodings
21:31.25MentalPowerhaste: includes source
21:31.35Drundiai know it's 2 bytes for ucs-2
21:31.52hastemeh, it takes me more time to pull out the change than removing the BOM if any
21:31.53MentalPowerits not the BOM (or absence of it)
21:31.56MentalPowertrust me
21:31.57Drundiaand for utf-8 it's 3 which can be decoded to the same unicode position
21:32.13MentalPowercorrect
21:32.18Drundiawell i just made a small experiment
21:32.23Drundiaif i do it using /script
21:32.27Drundiait prints everything right
21:32.35Atriace<PROTECTED>
21:32.40Xinhuan/script does extra parsing, Drundia
21:32.56Xinhuanthe chateditbox has scripts OnEnter to escape stuff
21:33.02hasteAtriace: uhm I can post unicode on pastey :p
21:33.15Xinhuanso that when you type |, it comes out as | for eg
21:33.18Drundiai know
21:33.22Xinhuanas | is used to escape things
21:33.22AtriaceBy code or by straight textual copy/paste?
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21:33.40Drundialet me try escape sequences for the same
21:34.59XinhuanAtriace, can you do an assert(COMBATvar == SUIL.russian.CLASS.COMBAT)
21:35.00hasteAtriace: pastey doesn't display unicode correctly in it's textarea however
21:35.05AlexanderYoshiFINALLY! 10 grey bear tongues
21:35.09Xinhuanand see if lua thinks those 2 strings are the same?
21:35.46zenzelezzAlexanderYoshi: now go get 10 Tough Condor Meat
21:35.53MentalPowerhaste: noticed, thanks (fixing)
21:36.09hasteMentalPower: hotness :)
21:36.25AlexanderYoshinah
21:36.29AlexanderYoshiI'm done till I get full rested xp
21:36.39zenzelezzI haaaate the Tough Condor Meat quest
21:36.52Xinhuani hate the 3 keys --> 3 ore daily
21:36.59Xinhuandrop rate is worse than motes!
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21:37.08TemXinhuan, which daily is that?
21:37.13Xinhuanphase 3 daily
21:37.24Xinhuanon the isle
21:37.31AtriaceAAHHHHHH!
21:37.36hasteMentalPower: ping me when it works :)
21:37.37AtriaceWhy is it working now?  DOh!
21:37.53haste"You failed!"
21:38.06MentalPower~fail Atriace
21:38.07purlAtriace, you Fail!
21:38.09Drundiathen you fail
21:38.16Atriacexinhuan: It's finding them equal and now..... it's actually printing the correct text from the table.
21:38.25Xinhuan/snicker
21:38.45AtriaceI want to say this is a language problem, but it's definitely user error now.
21:38.55Drundiawhat?
21:38.57Xinhuanwhat mistake did you make?
21:39.02Drundiawhat happened?
21:39.08AtriaceI don't know.  That's what irks me.
21:39.13TemXinhuan, aaaah, I haven't done any of the isle dailies
21:39.26Xinhuanyou should do them tem
21:39.31Drundiamaybe you have invalid character there?
21:39.32Xinhuanall of them are like 3 minute quests
21:39.37Temmeh
21:39.39Xinhuanexcept the one i just said
21:39.45TemI dislike being unable to fly
21:39.48Drundiaso you get invalid utf-8 sequence after concatenation
21:39.48Xinhuantotal of 11 dailies x 250 rep each
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21:40.18Drundiabut what did you change so it started to work?
21:40.36TemI don't really care about the rep
21:40.45haste<PROTECTED>
21:40.46TemI just do the portal dailies for the chance at a free badge
21:41.06Xinhuanthey are just as easy tem :)
21:41.09Xinhuanfor 10g
21:41.09hasteoh, and the badges are a nice bonus
21:41.36Xinhuanwell worth doing them all at least once anyway, just to know you've done the content HEHE
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21:42.44AtriaceDrundia:  I'm debugging it now, but that one string returns properly while the rest of the table (all spec names in russian) come back as ?
21:43.05Drundiawhere do you get them from?
21:43.19AtriaceEven more strange, when inspector the table with Inspector, it shows me all of the variables are equal to ?
21:43.39Atriacewhen I inspect*
21:43.51Xinhuansounds like an encoding issue
21:43.54Xinhuando you have a chat addon
21:44.03Xinhuanthat modifies chatframes?
21:44.06Xinhuanlike add a timestamp
21:44.10AtriaceNope.
21:44.17AtriaceJust my mod and wow, atm.
21:44.18Drundiai don't think they can screw up something
21:44.31Xinhuanthey could, if a prat module does search/replace
21:44.44Xinhuanand mess up enconding
21:44.51Drundiaconcating 2 valid utf-8 strings gives valid utf-8 string
21:45.05AtriaceEither way, I'll keep debugging this.  See if I dig up something...
21:45.06Drundiahmm, evil search/replace could be evil indeed
21:45.29Xinhuanand there are indeed quite a number of prat modules that do search/replace anyway
21:45.46Xinhuansuch as the ones that do alt names, or player levels, color by class, etc
21:46.10Drundiait shouldn't really touch nice unicode characters
21:46.18Drundiaunless it's very messy
21:46.42MentalPower<PROTECTED>
21:47.19Drundiaanyway where do you get those russian names?
21:47.39sylvanaarcant prat mess up a UTF8 string any other way than you setting it do do that?
21:48.58AtriaceMentalPower: hold your horses.  I just found something.
21:49.11AtriaceDEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(SUI_Lang.CLASS.COMBAT .. " " .. SUI_Lang.CLASS.ARCANE)
21:49.11AtriaceSUI_TestString:SetText(SUI_Lang.CLASS.COMBAT .. " " .. SUI_Lang.CLASS.ARCANE)
21:49.29AtriaceThe first chatframe message returns the correct text.  The second fontstring returns ??
21:51.25Spider12345if a enemy buffs himself a renew, which event would that fire?
21:51.40Spider12345COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_AURA_APPLIED?
21:51.42XinhuanAtriace, are those things using the same font?
21:51.50Atriace:o
21:51.55DrundiaSPELL_SUCCESS and AURA_APPLIED i think
21:51.59Atriace~atriace fail
21:52.03Xinhuani.e is the chatframe and the settext() fontstring
21:52.10Xinhuanusing the same font that can display
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21:52.13Xinhuanthose chars
21:52.15Drundia"SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS"
21:52.17AtriaceThat's it.  Bingo.  Xinhuan just won.
21:52.24Atriacesigh...
21:52.25Drundia"SPELL_AURA_APPLIED"
21:52.35Drundiaoh btw
21:52.47Drundiastandard frizqt__.ttf doesn't have cyrillic characters
21:53.05Drundiaonly some cool hacked/modified ones do
21:53.16hasteit's not the font used ont he chat in the default UI Drundia
21:53.20hasteit uses something on A
21:53.30Drundiaarialn.ttf should have them all
21:53.51AtriaceI actually have myself to blame.  I made the font I'm using.
21:53.59Xinhuanhaha
21:54.01Xinhuan~fail Atriace
21:54.02purlAtriace, you Fail!
21:54.02Drundiahaha
21:54.03AtriaceOnly addressed the english characters.
21:54.07Drundiayou are so fast
21:54.10Atriacelol
21:54.11Drundiabut i want to repeat anyway
21:54.13sag_ich_nichtwow.
21:54.14Drundia~fail Atriace
21:54.15purlAtriace: FAIL!
21:54.20sag_ich_nichtsomeone managed to fuck up clicking on mag.
21:54.24MentalPowerlol
21:54.26sag_ich_nichti mean wow
21:54.30sag_ich_nichtwow
21:54.44Xinhuanwhat is his excuse sag_ich_nicht?
21:54.44Drundiai keep saying that mag won't be easy until cubes click themselves
21:55.02AtriaceSo.... yeah.  Let this be a lesson to you all.  Your potential to fail begins with yourself.
21:55.08Temperhaps he sucks at life
21:55.13Drundiayes it's true
21:55.18AtriaceI'm going to go lie down now.
21:55.21AtriaceCheers
21:55.35Drundiai think it was my made in 2 minutes addon that messed up my blizzard raid pullouts
21:55.49Drundiathat's my recent fail
21:55.57Drundiathere were a few more
21:56.47Drundiaand still. where do you get those russian translations?
21:57.30hasteatriace left irc
21:57.34sag_ich_nicht[23:54] <Xinhuan> what is his excuse sag_ich_nicht? <--we couldn't figure out who it was
21:57.36sag_ich_nichtPUG anyway
21:58.03Drundiai keep failing
21:58.53zenzelezzis there a Russian build of WoW yet?
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21:59.45Drundiawhat i know is that The requested URL /shared/downloads/elp/pc/WoW-Language-Pack-ruRU-downloader.exe was not found on this server.
22:00.33Drundiafull client downloads aren't available either. not from account management anyway....
22:01.06batrickckknight_: I killed your irssi, there is nothign wrong with ssh afaik
22:01.44ckknight_batrick: can't seem to get a connection or ping
22:01.58batrickpings won't work
22:02.06batrickbut I can connect just fine
22:02.11ckknight_I can't :-(
22:02.12batrickfrom multiple places
22:02.17ckknight_le sigh
22:02.59batrickperhaps ur using the wrong host again?
22:10.50Spider12345so if i have this SPELL_AURA_APPLIED event, how do i get the spellname which is used?
22:12.04[Liquidor]http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3545654945&sid=1
22:13.16kd3lmao
22:13.18kd3those are fun
22:13.37duaiweSpider12345: I'm going to guess it's the spellName parameter. but I could be off.
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22:15.05Drundiai'd go for "SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS" if i'd want to know source
22:17.28KillerDreamingBlah.
22:17.31[Liquidor]Spider12345, http://www.wowwiki.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_Details
22:17.57KillerDreamingI'ma go play NoX.
22:17.59KillerDreamingSeeya, Liquidor.
22:18.04KillerDreamingI don't know you, but peace.
22:18.04KillerDreaming:D
22:18.08[Liquidor]bai
22:20.30sag_ich_nichtugh
22:20.39sag_ich_nichtI HATE EARTHQUAKE AND THEN GETTING SHAKEN INTO THE CLEAVE
22:20.40sag_ich_nichtD:
22:21.26amrosag_ich_nicht: are you kidding? I love it when that happens.
22:22.35AlexanderYoshithat's like the best part of Mag for me
22:26.05Drundiaalways happy about any reason to go afk?
22:26.17Drundiareminds me myself
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22:33.46Spider12345do i still have to parse the combat log to get specific strings out of it?
22:33.58AlexanderYoshino
22:34.13AlexanderYoshiin fact
22:34.21AlexanderYoshiits probably a bad idea to parse it if you want data back
22:34.48Guillotinehmm, what should my project for today be? A push/pop library or a website to help people find the addon they are looking for via a basic query tree?
22:35.29Spider12345so if i have a combat msg like unit gains renew, how do i get the renew ot of there?
22:35.47Drundia<PROTECTED>
22:36.06Drundiayou also probably want to register for COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED
22:36.20Spider12345can i filter it for target only?
22:36.44Drundiafilters are global
22:37.00kd3but you can check against the unitguid and name passed in the event
22:37.07Drundiaso if you filter for only target standard combat log will show only target too
22:37.17Drundiathere is a flag for target
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22:37.55Drundiayou can read about flags on http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitFlag
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22:39.55Spider12345are there somewhere examples how its done? i dont understand how to use those flags
22:40.11Drundiayou bit.band them
22:40.31Spider12345and what is bit.band?
22:40.44kd3a bitwise and operation
22:40.44zenzelezzbitwise binary and
22:41.02Drundiaif (bit.band(targetflags, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TARGET)) then --[[target of event is your target]] end
22:41.20Irielnonono
22:41.23Irielyou need ~= 0
22:41.25Iriel0 is true in lua
22:41.30Drundiaoh right
22:41.39Drundiawtb php kind of false
22:41.41foxliteh
22:41.49Drundiaif (bit.band(targetflags, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TARGET)~=0) then --[[target of event is your target]] end
22:41.50foxlitThat seems like a bad idea
22:41.53foxlitlocal targetGUID;
22:42.05foxliton PLAYER_TARGET CHANGED: targetGUID = UnitGUID("target");
22:42.13IrielYou get used to the lua way quickly enough and it's really nice to be able to do local num = tonumber(num) or 0;
22:42.25foxlitif (destGUID/sourceGUID == targetGUID) ...
22:43.28Drundiathat true 0 is a bit confusing now and then
22:45.33TemIriel, tonumber(num) or 0 doesn't change
22:46.08Temor am I missing somethng?
22:46.32AbsoRayneSo...
22:46.45GuillotineTem: if num is a string "hai there", it will be 0
22:46.49AbsoRayneMy wife has to get rid of her 2 year old female cat...because it attacked her today three times. :/
22:46.58TemGuillotine, not what I'm saying
22:47.08GuillotineWhat do you mean 'doesn't change' then?
22:47.09sag_ich_nicht04/06/08 00:46:54> Your share of the loot is 20 Gold, 78 Silver, 76 Copper.
22:47.15sag_ich_nichtjust to the guy who said maggi dropped 10g
22:47.16Temif the rules for the "truth value" of 0 were changed
22:47.18sag_ich_nichtno, he doesn't :P
22:47.25Temtonumber() or 0 doesn't do anything in the case of 0
22:47.25Guillotineoh, I see
22:47.34AbsoRayneAnd now were down to 1 cat and 4 kittens...cause the kittens were hers.
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22:47.51Drundia!lua tonumber("unconvertable string")
22:47.51batbotDrundia: > nil
22:47.55AbsoRayne:/
22:47.58Drundia!lua tonumber("unconvertable string") or 0
22:47.58batbotDrundia: > 0
22:48.11Drundiabut i guess tem didn't see source ignoring me
22:48.31AbsoRayneAnyone happen to be living in Edmonton, and want a kitten?
22:48.51Matrix110lol
22:48.59CairennI didn't realize you were another Canuck, AbsoRayne
22:49.12Cairenn<== Ottawa
22:49.16Drundiaomg kitten i'm already moving for it!
22:49.20Drundiajk
22:49.22Drundiaofc
22:49.40AbsoRayneCairenn: Im actually American, but the wifes Canadian
22:49.45Cairennah
22:49.59AbsoRayneIll be moving up here hopefully for the rest of my life come June
22:50.29AbsoRayneThe paperwork to move here sucks. :/
22:50.44Cairennthe paperwork to move to the US is even worse :p
22:51.03AbsoRayneTheres shortcuts on the US Paperwork.
22:51.05AbsoRayneIE: Marrige
22:51.28zenzelezzCairenn: yeah, but who moves to the US anyway?
22:51.33AbsoRayneOr just living there Illegally.
22:51.37Cairennzenzelezz: point
22:51.45AbsoRayneIf you move to Cali, theyll never find you.
22:52.41AbsoRayneBut yeah, I love it here, beauitiful.
22:58.37KillerDreamingTeh snow is teh <3
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23:00.46MentalPowerKillerDreaming: you sure about that?
23:01.04MentalPowerCairenn: wheres that snow pic?
23:01.31Cairennhttp://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/SickOfSnow.jpg
23:02.02MentalPowerKillerDreaming: ^^^^
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23:09.44wereHamsterCairenn, is that your sculpture?
23:11.46Cairennno
23:11.49Cairennbut I agree with it
23:12.09wereHamsteryou don't <3 snow?
23:12.09MentalPowerits quite detailed
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23:12.32CairennwereHamster: when we've got 13+ feet of it ... no
23:12.46Cairennback shortly
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23:14.18AnduinLotharI <3 snow. It stays up int he mountains and I can visit it whenever I want!
23:14.28LopeppeppyI wish.  :(
23:18.18TemWhat's snow?
23:18.23[Liquidor]Cairenn, http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3545664905&sid=1 translate please.
23:18.39TemI still think snow is a big conspiracy perpetrated by the north
23:18.40[Liquidor]AnduinLothar, we had 1 day of snow this winther in Denmark :((
23:18.47Tem(damn yankies!)
23:18.55kd3tem; indeed
23:19.17AnduinLotharMy home town had 1 day of snow... ever... and it was before I was born (thanks global warming)
23:19.23TemI can't wait to move to a place that has all four seasons
23:19.36[Liquidor]Gogo London
23:19.45kd3if by all four, do you mean, winter, winter, winter and road repair?
23:19.47Tem(seriously, fuck this 9 months of summer and 3 months of "summer lite" crap
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23:20.46Temokay, off for food before raid
23:22.19mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/kuvei/camel_toe_tattoo.jpg
23:23.58Corrodiasclever, yet far from an attractive foot
23:24.43mikmagood thing i don't like toes that much ;)
23:25.03mikmaCairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/bunny3.jpg
23:25.14mikmaCairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/rekku55.jpg
23:25.32mikmahahaa, teddy-porn! http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/teddy.jpg
23:25.47AnduinLotharthat bunny looks liek it's in shock
23:25.54Drundiabah, those scrollingmessageframes completely confuse them
23:25.55sag_ich_nicht[21:48] <+AnduinLothar> sag_ich_nicht: there's standalone versions on wowi <--oic
23:26.03sag_ich_nichtthen for gods sake
23:26.07sag_ich_nichtdelete them from curse
23:26.11sag_ich_nichtor copy them to there
23:26.11sag_ich_nichtD:
23:26.16AnduinLotharwhich ones?
23:26.25sag_ich_nichtALL OF THEM
23:26.40AnduinLotharthere's standalones on curse and wowi
23:26.46CorrodiasOF WHAT?
23:26.59AnduinLotharsome of my addons
23:27.05Corrodiasquick, so i can download them before they're removed!
23:27.09Corrodiasomg must have them!
23:27.14AnduinLotharO.o
23:27.45sag_ich_nichti meant just delete them from curse
23:27.52DrundiaIriel, just look at it how calling SetHeight() removes addition lag for current frames http://wowi.pastey.net/85176
23:27.53AnduinLotharwhy?
23:27.54sag_ich_nichtbecause the ones on curse are lacking :P
23:27.57sag_ich_nichtor update them
23:27.59sag_ich_nichtand add the new ones
23:28.00sag_ich_nicht:P
23:28.02AnduinLotharwhich ones?
23:28.10sag_ich_nichtarch replacement e.g.
23:28.23AnduinLotharthose aren't anywhere but cosmosui
23:28.29Drundiait's divided for limitations of edit box
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23:28.59Corrodiasperhaps sag is saying that someone has uploaded them "for you"
23:29.07AnduinLotharis he?
23:29.11Drundiaby the way :Show() also has overhead if text changed
23:29.19Drundiawhile frame was hidden
23:29.44Corrodiasframes do not receive events while :Hide()ed, right?
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23:30.06MentalPoweryes they do
23:30.10MentalPower<onHide>
23:30.15MentalPower<OnHide>
23:30.41Drundiathey receive events
23:30.44Drundianot onupdates
23:30.50CorrodiasFASCINATING
23:30.58hastelike penis!
23:31.01CorrodiasYES
23:31.07haste:3
23:31.21AnduinLotharstop it
23:32.27sag_ich_nicht[01:28] <+AnduinLothar> those aren't anywhere but cosmosui <--i know
23:32.34sag_ich_nichtso
23:32.34sag_ich_nicht[01:27] <sag_ich_nicht> and add the new ones
23:32.47sag_ich_nicht[01:28] <Corrodias> perhaps sag is saying that someone has uploaded them "for you" <--no
23:32.49sag_ich_nichti'm not
23:32.58AnduinLotharthey're like beta.... they have bgs
23:32.59sag_ich_nichtdon't put words into my mouth that i didn't say.
23:33.02sag_ich_nichtD:
23:33.09AnduinLotharbugs*
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23:41.19wereHamsterDrundia, about your TestSMF code, did you also try _not_ to call :SetHeight() on line 13 and see if you still get >1000ms? Maybe the first loop takes so long because wow has to allocate some internal buffers, which it then reuses in the second loop
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23:44.27Drundiait was tested for a while
23:44.45Drundiaoverhead just comes into function that change visible text
23:44.54Drundiaif you add the same messages overhead disappears
23:45.12Drundiamore testing indicates that scrolling functions don't work after calling SetHeight()
23:45.45Drundiawithout that line 13 it results in the same
23:45.52Drundiaapparently SetHeight() removes lag
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23:46.35Drundiaright now i'm looking for reliable way to deal with lag when combat log is spammed by messages also without preventing scrolling
23:46.57wereHamsterI'm confused, you call :SetHight() after you create the frame. Why does that not have the same effect as line 13?
23:47.07Drundiathose blanks
23:47.17Drundiaeach block was called from /script
23:47.46Drundiaso 1-6 and 8-10 aren't executed at the same time
23:49.50Drundiathe reason why i went to TestSMF from ChatFrame2 was to test same MessageFrame which doesn't have any lag at all. apparently it has something to do with scrolling
23:50.28DrundiaChatFrame2:SetHeight(ChatFrame2:GetHeight()); ChatFrame2:ScrollUp()  doesn't scroll up. so SetHeight prevents scrolling and fixes lag
23:50.36DrundiaSetWidth probably behaves the same way
23:51.07Drundiayes no scrolling
23:55.03KillerDreamingI retoin.
23:55.15KillerDreamingPh334.
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