IRC log for #wowroster on 20070606

00:00.19Zanix|Workgoing home, later
00:23.44Zanixim home
00:23.47Zanixfor a bit
00:36.40Harshmageagain?
00:55.03HarshmageTo home!  Laters ya'll!
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03:12.10Zanixomfg
03:12.16ZanixI just got a new monitor
03:12.21Zanix22" widescreen
03:12.25ZanixI LOVE IT
03:49.47Zanixgiggidy
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03:59.06*** topic/#wowroster is This room is for the support of WoWRoster.net only [R-v1.7.3,UU-v2.6.4,UA-v0.7.8] | The devs have lives, they're not monitoring 24/7 | Troubles registering/viewing our site? Check here-> http://www.wowroster.net/Forums/viewtopic/t=15.html
04:51.23Zanixanyone alive?
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05:20.21FoxyYoshi... you want to work on the Gatherer addon I hear?
05:21.12FoxyUm... anyone else on at this early hour? I couldn't sleep :-P
05:25.46FoxyNever the less... Yoshi and anyone else wishing to contribute can feel free to do so... just send me your info on the WoWRoster site and I'll add you or ask Zanix to add you :-)
05:26.23ZanixIm up
05:26.31Foxy:-)
05:26.49FoxyKnow if he has an account on roster?
05:26.56ZanixI dunno
05:27.22Foxykk... I sent him a PM too... so hope to hear back soon
05:27.44FoxyI'm all for having anyone that wants to contribute join in
05:28.10FoxyI've just been crazy busy with the new job :-P
05:30.52Zanixyeah
05:30.57ZanixI got a new job and moved
05:31.04FoxyYou been doing okay?
05:31.07Zanixso I havent wqork on code for like 3 weeks now
05:31.13Zanixyeah
05:31.18ZanixIm getting settled in
05:31.26Foxykewl kewl...
05:31.38FoxyHow was the move?
05:31.40Zanix1.8 beta would be out by know if I didnt move and get a new job
05:32.01Foxyhehe I thought I missed it all
05:32.14Zanixyou may have missed some
05:32.23Zanixhave you checked out the svn at all
05:32.44Foxynot for about 3 weeks or more
05:33.07Zanixwe have changed quite a bit
05:33.50FoxyOver there now ^
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06:40.19Zanixim off to bed
06:40.23Zanixhave a good night everyone
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10:49.53GuestI'm having problems getting the WoWRoster to work. Can anyone help? :/
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15:30.27GameFrog|Yoshisup all
15:37.37Matt_Msup
15:51.20GameFrog|Yoshihows life everyone
15:52.21Matt_Mgood good
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16:21.52ds001yarf...
16:21.57Matt_Mruff
16:22.02ds001thank goodness week is half over..
16:22.08Matt_Mi hear ya
16:22.56ZanixI get a day off today, its nice
16:23.13ZanixI have to work saturday though :(
16:23.32ds001not the saturday part tho.. ;)
16:24.15Zanixyeah, but its a partial day
16:24.20Zanix9-4
16:24.41Zanix7 hours instead of 8 with 1hr lunch
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16:32.42Zanixnow, to find something to do with my day
16:33.49ds001finish r2... Go!
16:35.12Zanixlol
16:35.20Zanixneed to finish 1.8 first
16:35.35Zanixwe'd be at beta by now if I didnt move
16:35.41Zanixand get a new job
16:38.21GameFrog|Yoshihey Zanix
16:38.47GameFrog|Yoshido you have the url to edit the wow theme on my website to make it the new DF compliant
16:56.51Zanixmaybe, ill check the irc log
17:01.13ZanixI dont see it
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17:05.30Zanixhttp://www.treasurecoastdesigns.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=101
17:05.32Zanixthree
17:05.42Zanixs/three/there/
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17:50.31AnaxGameFrog|Yoshi, http://www.treasurecoastdesigns.com/
18:37.03GameFrog|Yoshigot it
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19:03.45Zanixgoing to get some lunch,later
19:08.39PleegWatwtf, wow just went zombie on me in the middle of a fight
19:30.40Zanixouch
19:30.43Zanixim back
19:35.27PleegWatwb
19:35.28PleegWatAccountant's working nice for me though
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19:37.31PleegWatreally sometimes the simplest mods are the best ones.
19:38.48Zanixno kidding
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21:15.00lhunathsomebody toss me a uniadmin link
21:15.14lhunathone that has addons on it
21:16.08PleegWatzanix's svn copy prolly does
21:16.47PleegWathttp://svnroster.homeip.net/uniadmin/trunk
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21:23.03Zanixstupid net
21:25.07ds001what time tonight?
21:25.13ds001doh
21:25.14ds001mt
21:28.32lhunathpleegwat: thanks.
21:28.49lhunathzanix: fill it up with some addons! ;P
21:29.07ZanixI, I can't
21:29.09Zanix:(
21:29.11Zanix<PROTECTED>
21:29.39lhunath-_-
21:29.42lhunathoh
21:29.47lhunathyour inet's bugging you? :P
21:30.02lhunathIRC works?  maybe DNS issues?
21:30.23lhunathif so, whatever you do, don't close your client! :)
21:31.06Zanixlol
21:32.53Zanixok, filling it up with addons now
21:42.06PleegWathm
21:42.20PleegWatDo I want to know how much I pay for shipping if I order from amazon
21:42.23PleegWat.com
21:43.04lhunathignorance is bliss
21:43.20PleegWatI think I'd be looking at more than the value of the books
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21:46.42PleegWatdamn
21:47.00PleegWat$4.49 and then it may take up to two months for them to arrive
21:50.01Zanixholy crap
21:50.11Zanixwell, 4.49 isnt that much
21:50.32Zanixwhat would be shipping
21:51.04PleegWathm, wait. I misread the instructions prolly
21:51.11PleegWatI'm rechecking on amazon.co.uk now
21:51.21PleegWatappearantly you have to add up the base cost and the per-book cost
21:51.33PleegWatso it'd be 10 dollars or so
21:51.40PleegWatfor two 8 dollar books.
21:52.36PleegWatIt's the main reason I like to buy my warcraft books at bol.com. They've got a dutch branch, so I only pay dutch shipping
21:53.14Zanixthat sounds better than $10
21:53.51PleegWatfrom amazon.co.uk I get at 6 pounds
21:54.09PleegWatwhich is 12 dollars
21:54.43PleegWatpff
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21:54.50PleegWatI need something with a dutch branch
21:54.57PleegWatinternational shipment is way too expensive
21:55.29PleegWatknow any big us online book sellers, besides bol and amazon?
21:58.29Zanixbarns and noble?
21:58.36Zanixspelling might be off
21:59.04ZanixBarnes and Noble
22:06.06PleegWatmeh, they're all expensive
22:06.20PleegWatand I can't think of any dutch online booksellers
22:06.43ZanixI dont know of any
22:07.19PleegWatonly online bookseller I regularly see advertising in .nl is bol.com
22:07.36PleegWatand I already did ISBN searches for the (starcraft) books I'm looking for
22:12.39Zanixso Im trying to make myself want to code
22:12.51PleegWatheh, I know the feeling
22:13.22PleegWat<PROTECTED>
22:13.57Zanixalso, when adding buttons in the installer
22:14.12Zanixthere isnt a way to insert them into the desited button pane
22:14.20PleegWatno
22:14.26Zanixoh wait
22:14.37Zanixthey all go into the unused buttons
22:14.38PleegWatI'd have to think of an algorithm that decides on a grid position to put it on
22:14.40ZanixI forgot
22:14.57PleegWatThey don't exactly go into unused
22:15.04PleegWatunused is just 'not on this pane'
22:15.33PleegWatif you've got a main pane and a char pane, and you're looking at the main pane, all buttons not on the main pane are in unused. Even if some of those buttons are already on the char pane
22:16.29Zanixright
22:18.04PleegWatit's just one of the complicating points. I could split the whole thing on scope, and only allow buttons on a pane if the scope matches the pane's scope. That'd simplify the interface, but you'd potentially lose a lot of flexibility
22:18.10PleegWatIncluding addon-specific panes.
22:19.08PleegWatWell, maybe not
22:19.35PleegWatbut either way, you'd gain simplicity of the interface, but you'd also get a more complex backend and lose flexibility
22:19.43PleegWatI don't like either of the latter two.
22:20.15Zanixyeah
22:20.58PleegWatProbably the easiest way would be auto-adding buttons to the grid.
22:21.04PleegWatPut a parameter for it in the installer
22:21.26PleegWatANd just add the button to the leftmost shortest column. So basically in rows.
22:21.41PleegWatThen for simple stuff you would only need to move the buttons in the pane, and not on or off them
22:22.16PleegWatWouldn't actually make the interface simpler, but it keeps ppl from running into the complex bits.
22:23.14Zanixnot a bad idea
22:23.23PleegWatand it isn't all that complex coding and it certainly doesn't limit the flexibility
22:23.56PleegWatoh, damn. Just thinking of another potential problem, with the drag 'n drop if the unused buttons list gets (much) longer than the page.
22:24.29PleegWatI'm not sure if you can scroll and drag at the same time
22:25.14Zanixcan the list scroll inside the box?
22:25.47PleegWatSure, if I want to break my drop target detection bigtime.
22:26.20Zanixoh
22:26.33PleegWatI'd have to account for the scrollbar position in the panel y location check.
22:26.40PleegWatno idea how the interfaces for that work
22:26.53PleegWator even if I can get a pixel location
22:27.59PleegWatHTML isn't built for drag and drop. The library takes over some stuff, but I'm doing all of the grid location detection myself
22:28.56PleegWatI think without modifying the JS dragging from the palet to the grid would work fine, but from the grid to the palet if the palet is scrolled down, the button would appear further up.
22:29.22PleegWatCourse, if it turns out to work like that, I could just 'fix' it by appending the button to the end of the palet rather than the drop site.
22:29.27PleegWatSorting the palet on the fly isn't feasable.
22:29.31PleegWatprobably
22:29.50PleegWator maybe it is. But one thing at a time
22:31.04PleegWathm, I already know how sorting stuff works. And I already have two arrays with the button locations for the palet and the grid.
22:31.24PleegWatJust sort the palet, and call the function to reposition the buttons
22:33.35Zanix...ok
22:34.57PleegWatit stays tricky though. Reminds me of my programming course in java. Those gui's are a bitch if you're only allowed a text editor
22:35.11Zanixlol
22:36.53PleegWatAt least in html the stuff I'm not handling via the dhtml lib moves around of its own accord
22:37.15PleegWatso I only have to manage the buttons, and they move themselves around.
22:37.27PleegWatmeh
22:37.29PleegWatI'm rambling
22:37.34Zanixits ok
22:38.40PleegWatbasically how it works is, the locations of the buttons are stored in two arrays. One array of buttons that are in the palet. The other an array of arrays, each representing a column in the grid.
22:39.21Zanixok
22:39.42PleegWatBesides the buttons there are three DHTML objects. One is the delete box, which is not used for positioning, but only for detecting if a button is dragged over it
22:40.18PleegWatThe other two are the palet and grid backgrounds. Those are used for calculating the correct button positions.
22:40.41PleegWatAny drag/drop events ends by calling the function to recalculate the button positions.
22:42.23PleegWatTHe function that does that uses button widths/heights (which are equal to the width/height in the CSS plus the desired space between the buttons), plus a fixed offset, plus the top left coordinates of either the palet or the grid object
22:43.05Zanixok
22:43.28PleegWatthe buttons height/width and the offsets are defined in the php code. But only for the JS, the values the php code uses for initial positioning are hardcoded
22:43.39PleegWatwhich is ugly and yet another thing I need to fix
22:44.27PleegWatthough the repositioning code also means a simple scrollbox for the palet won't work. Since the position of the buttons are fixed to the document, not to the interior of the box
22:44.44PleegWatI could fix them to the box (I did initially) but then you can't drag the buttons out of the box
22:46.38PleegWatso I'd have to write the scrolling stuff myself as well. Hm, possibly two buttons that move up the whole array a position, then add the top button to the end. Would get annoying for long lists though.
22:46.54PleegWatand it wouldn't work together with sorting
22:50.19PleegWatthe point is that I can't really move the buttons out of sight inside the box, cause the only way to do that is to have the unused divs have the palet as a parent, and that means you can't move the divs out of the palet
22:54.33Zanixwell, to solve longer lists, we could shrink the button size
22:54.39Zanixto what is was before the icons
22:55.01PleegWatthat's not a solution
22:55.03PleegWatthat's a workaround
22:56.23PleegWatassuming a 1024x768 browser window, you can't avoid the scrolling problems once you get at, say, 100 buttons
22:56.51PleegWatAnd if you get 4 scopes, possibly a bunch of addons with their own panes, you're not unlikely to be hitting that number
22:57.10Zanixtrue
22:57.17Zanixit would help it though
23:00.05PleegWatOK, maybe the drag and drop stuff would get unworkable at 400 buttons instead of 100
23:00.18PleegWatThere are currenlty about 20 addons for roster
23:00.26PleegWatI've seen rosters with all of them installed.
23:03.52PleegWatIt's a problem that needs serious thought. I'm a perfectionist, maybe. I want proper solutions, not workarounds that just stretch the limits a bit.
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23:12.53ZanixI know
23:13.01Zanixbut solutions also include using workarounds
23:13.27Zanixyou are right, finding the right way is best
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