IRC log for #wowroster on 20070518

00:19.22HarshmageI go home
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07:27.05Zanixnight everyone
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08:25.15PleegWatAnyone else having trouble getting to our site?
08:38.23Kaos_*checking*
08:39.04Kaos_looks like it is timing out (I'm connecting from France never have a problem normally)
08:39.17PleegWatI'm in NL, normally no problem either
08:39.20PleegWatI think apache went down
08:39.52Kaos_In my experience a timeout like that is caused by an infinite loop in php or the database app
08:40.03PleegWatcould be too
08:40.08Kaos_When Apache dies it just says *unable to find/connect...*
08:40.23PleegWatI'm not sure how its firewall works
08:40.35PleegWatI'm getting responses on ping and ftp
08:40.43PleegWatnot that that's any use, I don't have a login to the box
08:40.57Kaos_Checked with your hosts that there isn't some H/W downtime going on with the,?
08:41.17Kaos_*them
08:41.34PleegWatHm, lemme check the pastebin. That's disconnected from DF
08:42.05Kaos_oo i'm getting something
08:42.13PleegWatyou're further than me then
08:42.17Kaos_it just returned the page header (so the title in the browser bar)
08:42.23Kaos_Volia it loaded!
08:42.37PleegWatwell, I'm getting header only from the pastebin
08:42.39Kaos_Now its going really quickly to load the rest of the page
08:43.01PleegWatyeah, pastebin seems to work. Let's retry DF
08:43.04Kaos_Now it seems fine
08:43.07PleegWatyup, back online
08:43.10Kaos_weird
08:43.33Kaos_If you have logs I'd check them out, could be some idiot trying to DoS you
08:44.10PleegWatthere's logs, but I don't have access
08:44.14Kaos_lol or Blizzard getting their own back for the Armory plugin :P
08:44.44PleegWatI think I'm gonna see if I can remedy that situation though
08:45.59Kaos_Never heard of that personally, I guess you would need a telnet services application for Linux
08:47.14PleegWattelnet isn't much use on a windows box
08:47.36Kaos_no but that is the backend stuff that WRD is built on
08:47.53Kaos_Windows Telnet services is the 'tech' name for WRD
08:47.59Kaos_IIRC
08:49.15PleegWatAh, NM. Not only is there a remote desktop client for linux, it's even already installed on this box. Must've been in the default ubuntu package
08:50.05Kaos_nice
08:50.34Kaos_I was going to say there is probably a client already written for that purpose.
08:50.49PleegWatIt's one of the easy parts of linux, most of the useful stuff is in one of the default repositories
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14:20.20Zerylhi Sylphid|work
14:20.31Sylphid|workhey hows it goin Zeryl
14:20.36ZerylPretty good :)
14:20.53Zerylpleeg: grdesktop
14:24.26Sylphid|workhttp://www.radiusim.com/
14:24.38Sylphid|workpretty nifty im service there
14:24.56ZerylI use meebo.com
14:25.38ZerylI don't understand why those services don't allow you to use a personal jabber server
14:25.41PleegWatI'd already found that. well, a different name, but prolly same core
14:25.45Zerylit's an open standard, compared to yahoo/msn/aim
14:27.11Zerylpisses me off a bit
14:27.11ZerylI just got my jabber server set up.  I know I probably don't need it, but I have it to talk to my dad (who is behind a firewall at work)
14:27.37Sylphid|workhave u guys ever used fail2ban?
14:27.49Zerylnope, what is it/
14:28.24Sylphid|workits a log scanning script to twart service attacks with iptables
14:28.28Sylphid|workhttp://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
14:28.34Zerylnice
14:28.38Sylphid|workthwart*
14:28.48Sylphid|workyea i like it for the most part
14:28.58PleegWatI've got no idea. There's some security stuff in DF that's on.
14:29.15Sylphid|workjust get the occasional problem where some ip's dont get blocked
14:29.39Sylphid|workor rather fail2ban pushes the wrong ip to iptables
14:32.28Sylphid|workyea ive never used a CMS
14:33.48Sylphid|workonly thing i really like about it is the single sign on
14:34.41PleegWatwell, roster still doesn't have full auth. Auth is a lot of work, and we have been having different priorities
14:34.48PleegWatMaybe we'll take the time for auth in 1.9
14:38.32Sylphid|workhows the dev for v2 commin along
14:39.05PleegWatR2 is at a standstill atm
14:39.51PleegWatAdminPanel is a version that mainly I worked on last summer. We've been working on merging it into the 1.7.x trunk, and finishing all of the stuff I started on it
14:40.24Sylphid|workahh ic ic
14:40.35Zeryl1.8 is going to make 2.0 obsolete
14:40.55PleegWatWell, there's some stuff in 2.0 that isn't in 1.8
14:41.01PleegWatTemplating. Auth. The config system
14:41.05Zerylya
14:41.19PleegWatI'd really like to pull R2's config into the 1x line
14:41.44ZerylI think we should really move into R2 after 1.8 is released
14:41.57PleegWatMaybe we should
14:41.59Zerylsince 1.8 has most of the features people have been begging for :)
14:42.11PleegWatBut we've been doing a lot of core overhauling in 1.8
14:42.14PleegWatwe may not need R2
14:42.18Zeryltrue
14:42.30Zerylthat's why I was thinking move 1.8 to R2, and r2 become r3
14:42.44PleegWatIf we merge in the R2 config, move to templating, and write an auth module, R2 has nothing new to offer
14:42.52Zerylyep
14:42.59Zeryltemplating would be the more difficult part though
14:43.12ZerylI still think smarty would be best in this case
14:43.18PleegWatBut moving to templating for 1.8 would mean shifting that back another 2-3 months. I don't think the userbase would like that.
14:43.22Zerylya
14:43.26Zeryl1.9 = templating :)
14:43.26Zeryllol
14:43.34Zeryltemplating + config + auth
14:43.39PleegWatAfter 1.8 we can start working on templating, and auth
14:43.51Zerylsince everything is so modular now, it should be easy to write bridges for external auth too
14:43.58PleegWatand we can call that 1.9 or 2.0 or w/e
14:44.12Sylphid|worka bit off topic but has there been any dev on the dkp package?
14:44.13Zerylyep :)
14:44.20Zerylermm, I don't think so Sylphid|work
14:44.23PleegWatno
14:44.27Sylphid|workto bad
14:44.29ZerylI think that was mathos's, and he's been really busy
14:44.31PleegWatRosterDKP was mathos's project
14:44.40PleegWatand I haven't seen mathos on in ages
14:44.46Zerylya :(
14:44.48Zeryl!seen mathos
14:45.01Zerylwow, apt is back
14:45.03Zeryl~c'thun
14:45.06apt*** Incoming tentacle rape party! ~10secs! ***
14:45.44Zeryls/c'thun/nuts/
14:46.22Sylphid|worklol
14:46.30ZerylI'll be moving this weekend, but maybe i'll take a look at the dkp module, and see where it is.  Unfortunately, it won't work with 1.8, and would need a huge re-write at this point
14:47.07ZerylI can't guarentee anything though, as it is a large project, and could be worked on by 3-4 devs alone
14:47.25PleegWatYeah, there's been some serious changes for 1.89
14:47.40PleegWatPlus I don't think ct raidtracker still works in wow 2.0
14:47.43ZerylNone of the curent addons, in their current state, will wotk in 1.8
14:47.52Sylphid|workouch
14:48.05PleegWathttp://leegwater-68.demon.nl/RosterSVN/roster1/trunk/
14:48.09Zerylwell, it's for a good reason Sylphid|work, there is MUCH more that can be done now
14:48.19Sylphid|workthere have been mods to ct raidtracker to get it working
14:48.21PleegWatAlthough the SMF I'm running in the front page can't ever be released for licensing reasons
14:48.38Zerylnope :(
14:48.53ZerylSMF is very adament about their license
14:49.27Zerylthey don't allow ANY re-distribution of their code
14:49.46Zerylwhoa, I hadn't noticed the php errors box before, that's great
14:50.52PleegWatI should get my DB updated to latest alpha
14:51.33Zerylhehe
14:51.48ZerylI don't have my 1.8 public, I break it too much to rely on
14:52.31Sylphid|worklol sounds like me and my email server
14:55.25Zeryl|Exitintervinterview*
14:55.25Zeryl|Exitintervlol
14:59.42PleegWatThere, that's back up to date
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15:17.46HarshmageAD with GPO's suck.  Even with admin rights over my own machine, I'm not allowed to access Add/Remove Programs...
15:18.38Sylphid|worklol
15:19.31Sylphid|workwhats even worse is when the higher ups decide to make 200+ locations 1 forrest
15:20.30Sylphid|workfriggn replications times of 3hrs+
15:21.07Harshmageif only I could draw you a map of our topology.....it'd scare you....it scares me....
15:21.15Sylphid|worklol
15:22.07Sylphid|workbut whats funny
15:23.06Sylphid|workis they wanna have a single mail server for all locations (150+ accounts per loc) and only have it fed by a single T1
15:23.51HarshmageThat...that would be doggedly slow...
15:23.59Sylphid|worklol
15:24.06Sylphid|workwhen they told me that i just laughed
15:24.24Sylphid|workthen after about 20 min .... i cried
15:24.42HarshmageYeah, when they decided they're doing it anyway?
15:24.51Sylphid|workyup
15:26.31Harshmagewell, here's hoping they see the err in their decision..
15:28.21Harshmageand why on earth did M$ have an SQL server app install from an update?  Unless it's part of the Office 2007 suite, it's just too much overhead...
15:29.29Sylphid|worklol
15:29.56Sylphid|workive only got 1 M$ machine left and im bout to dump it
15:30.29Sylphid|workonly using it for gaming and wine should take care of most of that
15:30.53Sylphid|workpersonal machines any way
15:35.44HarshmageWell, I'm stuck on M$....TabletPC's do that....and getting a ModBook (tabletMac) is outa my price range for the moment...
15:38.03Sylphid|workhehe sry
15:46.52Zerylwhy don' you block GPO inheritance on your device
15:54.17HarshmageBecause we're trying to get the rest of the campus over to the AD system...off of Novell...so it's better that we (as IT) eat the same dung we're trying to put out to everyone else...
15:55.23Sylphid|workbah...
15:55.42Sylphid|workIT > *
15:58.16Sylphid|workohh yea btw another jacked up problem in the AD is they just started requireing CAC logins for all users.....exept admin account......
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16:28.21Sylphid|worklunch time
16:30.54ZerylI despise AD
16:31.00Zerylnovell -> ad sucks as well
16:43.27Harshmagelord...I'm already getting a headache....
17:19.06ds001woot for friday.. ooh and good morning.
17:40.45Sylphid|workmornin ds001
17:44.36Zerylya, wot for friday and it being my last day!
17:45.18Zerylwoot*
17:48.11Zeryllater all
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19:58.39Candamirushiho
19:58.59Candamirussomebody here? xD
20:00.49Harshmagenope
20:01.17Harshmageain' nobody aboot
20:01.40Candamirusah ok
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