00:06.37 | Zeryl | bah, my bank is off by $1 :( |
00:22.32 | Zanix | thats not good |
00:22.36 | Zanix | but not too horrible |
00:35.09 | Zeryl | act 5 of nod |
00:36.22 | Zanix | cool |
01:17.58 | Zeryl | man, i failed this mission after 45 minutes |
01:18.07 | Zeryl | because i destroyed a base, rather than capturing it :( |
01:18.17 | Zeryl | so it's even my fault :) |
01:18.19 | Zeryl | :(* |
01:19.06 | Zanix | ouch |
01:19.41 | Zeryl | oh well, life goes on :( |
01:20.12 | Zanix | and theres always "Restart Mission" |
01:20.23 | Zeryl | yep |
01:22.10 | Zeryl | did you hear that the RIAA is going after websites that were hosting the songs from Year Zero that Trent Reznor released for people to share? |
01:23.41 | Zanix | yeah, funny stuff |
01:24.35 | Zeryl | blows my mind |
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04:14.30 | Robojerk | yo |
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09:28.27 | Guest | hello? |
09:29.58 | Guest | someone is online? i needed some informations on uniadmin :P |
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11:50.27 | Foxy | Hello everyone! |
12:15.25 | PleegWat | hi |
12:15.43 | Foxy | hey what do you know someone else is awake :-D |
12:16.15 | PleegWat | I'm always awake at this time |
12:16.20 | Foxy | :-D |
12:16.27 | PleegWat | it's 2:15 PM |
12:16.47 | Foxy | oh my where are you? It's 8:15AM here |
12:16.55 | PleegWat | europe |
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14:34.39 | GingerbreadMan | I need a quick yes or no vote on if I should buy this and any commnts as to what would be a sutable replacement: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121033R |
14:34.43 | GingerbreadMan | gah |
14:35.16 | Zeryl | haha |
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14:35.25 | Zeryl | great name there wily ;) |
14:35.33 | Zeryl | I wuoldn't buy it because it's open box |
14:35.36 | Zeryl | it was returned for a reason |
14:36.04 | DrWily | ah, yeah, the sealed one is only $50 more, just pretend I didn't link the open boxed one |
14:36.15 | Zeryl | then yes, i'd buy it in a heart beat |
14:36.17 | Zeryl | if I had the money |
14:36.21 | DrWily | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121033 |
14:37.06 | DrWily | I like my nick, been using it since 1998 on a lot of IRC networks |
14:38.10 | Zeryl | if you had the ability, i'd buy two of those ;) |
14:38.11 | Zeryl | lol |
14:38.16 | Zeryl | 8800's in sli :)! |
14:38.23 | Zeryl | you're not using vista are you? |
14:42.51 | DrWily | the new PC I just got from this slickdeal is what I'm going to put it in: http://slickdeals.net/?permadeal=9208#direct_deal_9208 |
14:43.01 | DrWily | I suppose I could wipe it and load XP Pro |
14:43.20 | DrWily | but I figured since it came with vista I'd give it a look |
14:43.24 | Zeryl | from what i've read, the 8800's don't play well with vista thus far |
14:43.30 | Zeryl | go check out nvidia's forums |
14:43.39 | DrWily | ouch |
14:43.46 | Zeryl | WHOA! |
14:43.47 | PleegWat | I've got a single 6600 |
14:43.51 | Zeryl | good deal! |
14:43.57 | DrWily | maybe I'll look for a DX10 ATI card |
14:44.05 | PleegWat | And on each boot the nvidia driver complains I removed one of my SLI cards while I never had a second |
14:44.14 | Zeryl | heh |
14:44.16 | Zeryl | x1900 |
14:44.18 | DrWily | ouch |
14:44.28 | PleegWat | Anyway is it even possible to run SLI if all my other PCIe slots are 1x? |
14:44.38 | Zeryl | I don't recall |
14:45.05 | DrWily | found this deal too late http://slickdeals.net/?permadeal=9228#direct_deal_9228 |
14:45.08 | DrWily | OOS now |
14:45.20 | DrWily | I do not think so |
14:45.30 | Zeryl | I woulodn't get the sapphire card, |
14:45.32 | DrWily | I think the slots need to match |
14:45.39 | DrWily | no? |
14:45.57 | Zeryl | i've had issues with them |
14:46.16 | PleegWat | ISTR you need at least a x4 or an x8 on the second card for SLI, and x16 for the first one. But I never read anything official |
14:46.38 | DrWily | hahaha, this is funny http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195004 |
14:46.56 | Zeryl | that's insane |
14:47.01 | Zeryl | I don't even know what you'd use it for |
14:47.30 | Zeryl | http://slickdeals.net/index.php?to=2007-04-03&page=2&nojs=1 |
14:49.03 | DrWily | braging rights probably |
14:51.14 | DrWily | hrm, don't see any ati cards in my price range with more than 256mb of memory |
14:57.07 | PleegWat | Heh, you specifically need an nForce MB to be able to use SLI... |
14:58.07 | DrWily | I'll worry about SLI in my next PC 3 years from now |
15:01.41 | PleegWat | Yeah, I'm not really in need of an upgrade yet either |
15:03.02 | PleegWat | I currently have a pentium D at 3ghz |
15:03.28 | PleegWat | Might upgrade once quadcores become common. |
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15:05.17 | DrWily | I have a P4 3Ghz but the system has started to act flakey so I jumped on the new PC deal when I saw it |
15:08.11 | Zeryl | whoa, it's possible to make coliding x509 certs now |
15:10.35 | Zeryl | brb |
15:22.16 | DrWily | what's that? |
15:31.11 | DrWily | ouch, just read this about Nvidia cards: http://www.nvidia.com/object/vista_driver_news_022207.html |
15:31.36 | DrWily | I remember when I paid $60 for a used Voodoo 3 card and was all too excited that it played the Quake 3 demo |
15:33.12 | Zeryl | hehe |
15:33.22 | Zeryl | x509 certs are the ssl certs for a website |
15:33.31 | Zeryl | it's possible to make a cert that "looks" like the real thing |
15:53.42 | lhunath | self-signed |
15:54.00 | lhunath | or is that not what you meant? |
15:54.25 | lhunath | oh coliding; seriously? |
15:56.52 | lhunath | oh based on MD5 |
15:56.58 | lhunath | not terribly surprizing |
15:57.03 | lhunath | surprising* |
15:57.21 | lhunath | should at least use SHA-512 imo. |
16:18.15 | Zeryl | hehe |
17:07.00 | Zeryl | http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Army_recruiter_sends_staggering_homophobic_emails_0404.html |
17:07.14 | Zeryl | that boggles my mind |
17:12.09 | lhunath | oh yeah capitalize Ramode's replies |
17:12.15 | lhunath | way to be neutral |
17:12.21 | lhunath | american press -- |
17:12.24 | Zeryl | no, that's the way she did it |
17:12.46 | lhunath | she actually sent it capitalized? |
17:13.13 | Zeryl | from what it looks like (the first email or two are not, and then it's capitalized), and it also mentions in the video clip that she was sending it in caps |
17:14.54 | lhunath | heh never mind then :P |
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17:20.12 | Zeryl | sorry, I probably shouldn't have posted that |
17:20.18 | Zeryl | i realize it's a touchy subject |
17:21.40 | Harshmage | I like being touched thou- |
17:21.50 | Zeryl | heh |
17:21.51 | Zeryl | ewww |
17:21.53 | Zeryl | ;) |
17:21.53 | Zeryl | lol |
17:22.00 | Harshmage | bwahahaha |
17:23.23 | DrWily | So it looks like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121034 is the one to buy |
17:23.40 | DrWily | and if vista doesn't like it then I'll revert to XP |
17:24.09 | Zeryl | cool |
17:26.15 | lhunath | american army ftl. |
17:37.55 | DrWily | :D |
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18:25.33 | Zeryl | I love the weather here |
18:25.41 | Zeryl | it was 85 on monday, and it's 35 today... |
18:29.50 | lhunath | fahrenheit is mindboggling. |
18:29.54 | Zeryl | hehe |
18:30.07 | lhunath | total lack of sensible relativeity towards anything |
18:30.10 | lhunath | heh |
18:30.12 | Zeryl | it's relative |
18:30.15 | Zeryl | 32 = freezing |
18:30.16 | Zeryl | lol |
18:30.22 | lhunath | celcious being relative to water makes sense |
18:30.28 | lhunath | and boiling being 100 |
18:30.30 | Zeryl | could use kelvin ;) |
18:30.45 | lhunath | yeah; makes that bit more sense |
18:30.57 | lhunath | based upon celcious just with a massive offset heh |
18:31.11 | Zeryl | 273 kelvin |
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18:32.39 | Foxy | Hi everyone :-D |
18:32.50 | Foxy | I see you're all finally awake hehe |
18:33.28 | Zeryl | nope |
18:33.33 | Zeryl | i'm sleeping |
18:33.40 | Foxy | doh, nap time at work huh |
18:33.45 | Zeryl | yep |
18:35.57 | Zeryl | wow |
18:36.03 | Zeryl | water doesn't boil at 100 celsius |
18:36.07 | Zeryl | it's 99.9839 |
18:36.12 | Foxy | lol |
18:36.51 | Zeryl | 7 |
18:36.53 | Zeryl | bah |
18:37.09 | Zeryl | that shuld be the celsius notation |
18:37.22 | Zeryl | ℃ |
18:42.01 | DrWily | I hate the F scale, and the whole "english" system of measurement for that matter.... I'm going to move to canada |
18:42.25 | Foxy | :-D some one doesn't like fractions hehe |
18:53.27 | DrWily | http://akaimbatman.intelligentblogger.com/wordpress/ Fraction Fever FTW |
18:54.08 | Foxy | Commodore, hehe I had a Commodore 64 when I was 6 :-D |
18:54.46 | Foxy | I read it's worth $6,000 to collectors :-D |
18:55.27 | Foxy | OMG, I HAD THAT GAME hehe |
18:56.16 | Foxy | Man I'm old hehe |
18:56.45 | ds001 | yer.. what.. 30? thats not old. |
18:56.57 | Foxy | 27 |
18:57.03 | ds001 | youngin' |
18:57.38 | Foxy | :-P not according to MTV, they put the music of my day on the oldies station, see VH1 Flashbacks |
18:57.47 | Foxy | lol |
18:58.00 | ds001 | ouch |
18:58.15 | Foxy | I heard Metalica instermental in an elivator last year, I almost died |
18:59.06 | Foxy | anyone have a quick way to check the differences between 2 mysql tables? |
19:00.59 | DrWily | 26 here, I played Fraction Fever before kindergarden |
19:01.26 | Foxy | :-D |
19:06.09 | Foxy | I'm going to be bald by the end of the month, I'm pulling my hair out trying to understand how users of Gatherer Roster Addon aren't able to insert their data... :-P |
19:18.21 | Foxy | oh my.... |
19:19.08 | Foxy | this is strange, I'm using a few gatherer.lua files Borsti posted to test this... |
19:19.29 | Foxy | 2 have 166 nodes inserted per file... |
19:19.44 | Foxy | the third has 477 |
19:20.33 | Foxy | If I upload the 477 and then upload one of the others only 1 row is added... meaning that there is only 1 unique node... or should be... |
19:20.55 | Foxy | if I upload the 166 and then the 477 it errors and nothing is inserted... |
19:21.14 | Foxy | Notice: Undefined index: BLOODMYST_ISLE in C:\apache2triad\htdocs\roster\addons\gatherer\functions.php on line 61 |
19:21.38 | Foxy | gives me this per zone on the upload of 477 with 166 in the table |
19:27.10 | lhunath | ds001: did you install windows in a folder other than C:\Windows? |
19:28.17 | Zeryl | i'm gonn abe afk after today until monday night |
19:28.47 | Foxy | hidding out are ya :-D |
19:35.28 | ds001 | yeah its installed under C:\WinNT |
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20:35.10 | Orphis | Hi |
20:35.18 | Foxy | hi there |
20:35.36 | Orphis | Why are you developping a SQL abstraction layer when there is already PDO ini PHP ? |
20:39.50 | Orphis | And why do you convert UTF8 when receiving strings from GET/POST ? PHP and MySQL work fine with UTF8 |
20:40.37 | Foxy | are you addressing the question to me on the gatherer addon for roster? |
20:41.02 | Foxy | or the roster it's self |
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21:37.13 | lhunath | orphis: because they're silly. |
21:37.36 | Orphis | Yeah |
21:37.41 | lhunath | orphis: imo they should be converting TO UTF-8 if anything. |
21:37.50 | lhunath | and PDO is terribly nice. |
21:37.59 | Orphis | Really yeah |
21:38.03 | lhunath | which I can NOT say for their sql layer |
21:39.03 | lhunath | I'd do things different, but I cant build everything I want to use :) |
21:39.36 | lhunath | already short on time for wow because of jUU |
21:40.03 | PleegWat | I plead innocent. The db layer existed for a long time when I joined the team |
21:40.40 | lhunath | it's a common thing though; everybody always starts out with a DB layer, even I did |
21:40.44 | Orphis | That's not an excuse for keeping it |
21:40.54 | lhunath | until I met PDO; and even then I still use a small one |
21:41.09 | PleegWat | PDO needs php5 |
21:41.14 | PleegWat | roster 1x supports php4 |
21:41.15 | lhunath | indeed |
21:41.19 | Orphis | Well a PDO wrapper is nice but not necessary |
21:41.25 | PleegWat | we're not dropping php4 with the 1x branch |
21:41.37 | Orphis | PHP5 is almost everywhere now |
21:41.39 | lhunath | fair enough. |
21:41.55 | Orphis | I'm thinking of the 2x branch |
21:41.55 | lhunath | how about R2? |
21:42.24 | lhunath | I imagine converting is going to eat at your targetted deadline |
21:43.07 | PleegWat | The R2 framework isn't even done yet |
21:43.56 | Orphis | And why is there a i18n module in R2 when it can be done in Smarty ? |
21:44.35 | lhunath | the template thing? |
21:44.35 | PleegWat | a what module? |
21:45.00 | Orphis | i18n is short for internatinalization |
21:45.03 | lhunath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I18n |
21:45.30 | lhunath | I'd call it localization but yeah. |
21:45.36 | Orphis | there's also t10n translation |
21:46.53 | lhunath | pleegwat: do you know about wowrosterdf? |
21:47.09 | PleegWat | very little |
21:47.13 | lhunath | sad. |
21:47.32 | Anaxent | whats up lhunath |
21:47.41 | lhunath | they keep telling me to implement support for uploading CP.lua to it but dont tell me what post variables to use |
21:47.47 | lhunath | like I'll be able to guess. |
21:47.49 | Orphis | hum no translation... is was thikning of localization l10n |
21:50.40 | PleegWat | Anyway insofar I've looked into smarty I haven't seen anything specific to handle localization |
21:50.40 | lhunath | bah. I hate UU for using .NET. Can't even run it on wine. |
21:50.41 | lhunath | I wonder what mono'll do to it .. |
21:52.26 | Orphis | PleegWat, look for plugins |
21:53.19 | PleegWat | Well, I haven't looked too extensively |
21:53.46 | PleegWat | We actually do have a smarty plugin to fetch our language strings from the template |
21:53.58 | PleegWat | that sentence doesn't make sense, or doesn't mean what I want it to |
21:55.31 | Orphis | fetch the localized strins from your files |
21:55.55 | PleegWat | Our localization module fetches the strings from the file, and stores them |
21:56.05 | PleegWat | they're then reachable from the php code, and using a smarty plugin |
21:56.45 | PleegWat | I added the plugin cause I thought injecting all locale strings as smarty vars is ugly |
21:59.58 | PleegWat | I definitely like our language solution better than those listed here http://smarty.incutio.com/?page=SmartyPlugins |
22:03.39 | lhunath | Heh? UniUploader is unable to run due to constraints set by the current .NET Framework secutiry policy. |
22:04.11 | Harshmage | h-oh |
22:04.41 | Harshmage | that was "uh-oh", but I'm a little bit less of u today |
22:05.09 | lhunath | seems like it |
22:05.55 | Orphis | You should have used gettext, it's better |
22:06.26 | lhunath | orphis: are you volunteering for joining the dev team? |
22:06.44 | Orphis | I have toooooo much work on my own :( |
22:06.52 | lhunath | seeing as it's open source, you're probably very much invited to submitting patches =) |
22:07.11 | PleegWat | I am reminded of a dutch proverb. It goes: 'De beste stuurlui staan aan wal' |
22:07.14 | lhunath | s/ing / / |
22:07.42 | lhunath | s/ing p/ p/ |
22:07.48 | lhunath | !! |
22:07.53 | lhunath | s/ting p/ p/ |
22:08.01 | PleegWat | lol |
22:08.02 | lhunath | -_- |
22:08.31 | Orphis | -_- |
22:08.34 | PleegWat | Currently though, I'm getting a headache from some 1x menu dilemmas |
22:08.34 | lhunath | pleegwat: good point. |
22:08.38 | Orphis | s/-/^/ |
22:09.12 | lhunath | s/^/\// |
22:09.12 | Orphis | s/-/^/g |
22:09.20 | PleegWat | nice toy innit |
22:09.40 | PleegWat | http://leegwater-68.demon.nl/Roster/ |
22:09.43 | Orphis | s/^_^/yes/ |
22:09.45 | lhunath | yeah, but does not seem to support escaping |
22:09.53 | PleegWat | I suppose you've got plenty of ideas on how to make the side panels configurable? |
22:09.59 | lhunath | s/y/\// |
22:10.52 | lhunath | imo you're too linear in your design. |
22:11.01 | PleegWat | Currently I've got options to switch each between a list of possiblities, but the possibilities need a bit of config. If the same one is on both sides they need separate config. It needs to work within the config framework |
22:11.23 | Orphis | What's the problem ? |
22:11.40 | PleegWat | Well, in 1.8 the menu side panels have been made configurable |
22:11.49 | Orphis | s/\?/with the current menus ?/ |
22:11.54 | lhunath | as in, choose what data to show? |
22:12.01 | lhunath | or to configure the formatting |
22:12.19 | lhunath | or to choose one out of x types of sidepanels |
22:12.44 | PleegWat | Currently the options are: hide it, show the level list (2 styles, I've got the long style on the left), show the class distribution list (all levels, 50+, 60+, 70+), or show realmstatus |
22:13.12 | PleegWat | But I've also got an applet ready that'll show a bargraph, either linear or logarithmic, for level/class distribution |
22:13.22 | PleegWat | that's turning into too many options for my taste |
22:13.43 | lhunath | options should come by three. |
22:14.03 | lhunath | if there's more you can try and solve the problem by grouping them. |
22:14.12 | lhunath | but three leaves the user happy. |
22:14.24 | PleegWat | Well, currently there are 3 options for the menu. One is turning the top bar on/off |
22:14.34 | lhunath | less leaves him as though there's barely any choice and more leaves him wondering what to pick. |
22:14.35 | PleegWat | the other 2 are select lists, with the options I named above |
22:14.37 | Orphis | The different plugins should give an array telling what options they need |
22:14.55 | PleegWat | Not supported in the current config framework, and I'm not rewriting that |
22:15.11 | PleegWat | this is for 1x, it's not for R2 |
22:15.31 | Orphis | Why not doing this already for R1 ? |
22:15.33 | PleegWat | conditional visibility of options is difficult |
22:15.45 | PleegWat | currently R2 doesn't support it either |
22:15.58 | Orphis | What does R2 support ? ^^ |
22:16.17 | Orphis | It seems to be only a framework, not something usable yet |
22:16.33 | PleegWat | R2 already has a config framework |
22:16.34 | lhunath | is it being written from ground up? |
22:16.59 | PleegWat | It supports more complicated control types than 1x does, because you can have one control store an array of options |
22:17.28 | PleegWat | still, that doesn't get you at options depending on other options being supported correctly |
22:17.37 | Orphis | Then backport it |
22:17.50 | PleegWat | that doesn't help here |
22:18.24 | Orphis | Hmm... you mean that some options should be hidden depending on the value of other options ? |
22:18.48 | PleegWat | No, you're saying that. .:00·12·32:. «Orphis» The different plugins should give an array telling what options they need |
22:19.10 | PleegWat | Or do you mean I should have all the options visible for all the plugins the user is not using? You think that isn't confusing? |
22:19.43 | PleegWat | anyway they aren't plugins. They're hardcoded into the framework. Actual block support is outside the development scope atm |
22:20.24 | Orphis | No, you should only show the options for the current plugins |
22:20.26 | lhunath | refractoring in php sucks imo. |
22:20.38 | Orphis | Then hardcode the settings HTML in it and the decoding of it |
22:21.01 | lhunath | you have no code safety and on compiler throwing errors at you when you forget to change a part of the application. |
22:21.18 | lhunath | s/ on / no / |
22:23.07 | Orphis | that's true... if some code isn't evaluated then you don't get the errors :( |
22:23.33 | PleegWat | http://leegwater-68.demon.nl/Roster/ I've set the bargraph visible |
22:24.54 | PleegWat | The colors are (or could be) configurable |
22:24.54 | Orphis | Bargraph is ugly |
22:25.26 | Orphis | PleegWat, you could have some string options like "opt1=bla,opt2=blo" |
22:25.52 | PleegWat | We're wanting user-friendly here |
22:25.52 | Orphis | And then have a simple function to convert that to an associative table that the plugins use |
22:26.11 | PleegWat | I'm not getting any further with you |
22:26.15 | Orphis | ^^ |
22:26.24 | PleegWat | it's half past midnight. I'm going to bed. |
22:26.55 | Orphis | There's no magic trick for that kind of problem |
22:26.56 | PleegWat | If you think of any constructive criticism I'm sure you'll find a way to reach me |
22:27.43 | Orphis | Where are the plugins config stored ? |
22:28.05 | PleegWat | They are no plugins. They're functions in menu.php |
22:28.17 | PleegWat | their config needs to be in the roster config table |
22:29.19 | Orphis | When the user change some settings through your user friendly interface, where is it stored ? Do you serialize the config table ? |
22:29.51 | PleegWat | Each setting translates to one row in the config table |
22:30.05 | PleegWat | Check roster/admin.php |
22:30.21 | PleegWat | that's the file running it |
22:30.23 | PleegWat | g'night |
22:34.20 | lhunath | night. |
22:34.45 | Orphis | night |
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