irclog2html for #wowroster on 20061223

`00:00.21`	`dracula`	`we didn't do well :s`
`00:00.55`	`dracula`	`one hunter had its pet on aggressive in Buru's room and it attacked an egg when we jumped in`
`00:01.50`	`dracula`	`I find the boss fights in AQ quite enjoyable though`
`00:03.04`	`Anax`	`yes aq is fun for me as well as long as everyone has there shit together`
`00:03.11`	`Anax`	`like your hunter you talk about`
`00:04.13`	`dracula`	`yeah, we wiped 2 times on Buru, and the 3rd time we killed him, but still wiped on the remaining adds :)`
`00:33.42`	`Anax`	`there are some nice drops there as well imo`
`00:46.53`	`*** join/#wowroster PleegWat_ (i=PleegWat@leegwater-68.demon.nl)`
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`00:48.57`	`Anax`	`PleegWat, you ok?`
`00:49.00`	`*** join/#wowroster PleegWat_ (i=PleegWat@leegwater-68.demon.nl)`
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`00:49.07`	`Anax`	`i wonder...`
`00:58.26`	`Anax`	`PleegWat, Welcome back i bet your already asleep though`
`00:58.37`	`Anax`	`im so bored today`
`01:30.03`	`Anax`	`well guys im heading home now`
`01:30.24`	`Anax`	`ill log back in when I get there after the beer gets open ofcoarse`
`01:53.27`	`Anaxent`	`yo whats up`
`01:56.43`	`dracula`	`hey`
`02:01.10`	`Chris\|AFK`	`sup`
`02:09.26`	`Anaxent`	`just got home had to leave early`
`02:09.26`	`Anaxent`	`nothing going on there that they needed me to stay for`
`02:14.52`	`dracula`	`what country you live in anax?`
`02:15.00`	`Anaxent`	`so Chris\|AFK how close are you to being done with works project`
`02:15.02`	`Anaxent`	`us`
`02:15.06`	`dracula`	`ah ok`
`02:15.45`	`Anaxent`	`rained here today, i havn't seen rain in ages it seems`
`02:16.19`	`Anaxent`	`and you dracula?`
`02:16.21`	`Chris\|AFK`	`chris, do you mean the packaged version?`
`02:16.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`its basicaly done`
`02:16.30`	`Chris\|AFK`	`just a matter of uploading it`
`02:16.37`	`Anaxent`	`nah work, sundays timeline`
`02:16.40`	`dracula`	`I have seen rain last week ;)`
`02:16.47`	`Chris\|AFK`	`ohhhh`
`02:16.50`	`Chris\|AFK`	`that project`
`02:16.53`	`Anaxent`	`lol`
`02:16.55`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lol`
`02:16.59`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i got more then 1 cant you tell`
`02:17.03`	`Chris\|AFK`	`even got multiple at work`
`02:17.06`	`Anaxent`	`don't tell me you havn;t touched it today...`
`02:17.09`	`Anaxent`	`haha`
`02:17.14`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i did a lil`
`02:17.21`	`Chris\|AFK`	`actualy tweaked my server`
`02:17.32`	`Chris\|AFK`	`been meaning to hack at apache for a while`
`02:17.36`	`Chris\|AFK`	`made some mod_security rules`
`02:17.53`	`Chris\|AFK`	`tweaked performance`
`02:18.04`	`Anaxent`	`ah cool I hate mod_security in many ways but then again you have to love it`
`02:18.13`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lots of vmstat today lol`
`02:18.24`	`Chris\|AFK`	`1 window for vmstat.. 1 for bash`
`02:18.39`	`Chris\|AFK`	`trying to get my poor servers load down`
`02:18.44`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i need a better box`
`02:18.51`	`Anaxent`	`I need to put me together a new freebsd box at home and do them tests for admin`
`02:18.57`	`Chris\|AFK`	`my loads always is under 10`
`02:19.02`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but, memory spikes bad`
`02:19.08`	`Chris\|AFK`	`and when it hits swap apache chokes`
`02:19.28`	`Chris\|AFK`	`my.cnf got tweaked hard today too`
`02:19.32`	`Anaxent`	`with a load of 10 whats using all your mem`
`02:19.39`	`Anaxent`	`ah how much you have in it`
`02:19.40`	`Chris\|AFK`	`mysqld and apache`
`02:19.52`	`Chris\|AFK`	`my server during the day has 2 request a second`
`02:20.04`	`Chris\|AFK`	`doesn't sound like a lot.. but`
`02:20.19`	`Chris\|AFK`	`it's a shitty server AND some of those connections take a while to close`
`02:20.30`	`Anaxent`	`right I see what you are saying`
`02:20.45`	`Chris\|AFK`	`and alot of them contain a good amount of data`
`02:20.48`	`Chris\|AFK`	`cause notes and crap`
`02:20.52`	`Chris\|AFK`	`mainly POST requests`
`02:20.53`	`Anaxent`	`im sure`
`02:21.06`	`Chris\|AFK`	`it's funny cause it just shows how crap that box is`
`02:21.16`	`Anaxent`	`is what duane is working on reside on your box at home our one of our dedis`
`02:21.22`	`Anaxent`	`lol`
`02:21.26`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I've worked on a project with someone who averaged 60 requests a second in peak hours`
`02:22.00`	`Chris\|AFK`	`we made a lightweight mvc similar to cpframework to run it`
`02:22.05`	`Anaxent`	`are you looking to get a dev or admin job or just stay put where you are at`
`02:22.06`	`Chris\|AFK`	`ran off a single server just fine`
`02:22.18`	`Chris\|AFK`	`well, I move to dev on the 17th so i hear`
`02:22.28`	`Anaxent`	`oh really grats man`
`02:22.31`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I like my job.. but ill see how dev is`
`02:23.07`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i dont know if i can type code for 8 hours a day`
`02:23.07`	`Anaxent`	`ah with my uper managment my job is getting a bit stressful even if its only 4 days aweek`
`02:23.24`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i hear ya`
`02:23.25`	`Anaxent`	`well thats the thing you will have deadlines`
`02:23.40`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Todd's a great guy, and sultan is just the man`
`02:23.49`	`Chris\|AFK`	`so it's going to be a good learning experience`
`02:24.01`	`Anaxent`	`and typing code for 8hrs aday...could be tough or atleast make it a job rather then hobbie/fun`
`02:24.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`ya word`
`02:24.42`	`Chris\|AFK`	`THe biggest obstacle will be coding on a team`
`02:24.46`	`Anaxent`	`then again the new things you will learn`
`02:24.51`	`Anaxent`	`with them 2 at the helm`
`02:25.03`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I've been apart of several projects, but I was the head developer for all of them`
`02:25.08`	`Anaxent`	`yes you are not just one man anymore`
`02:25.10`	`Chris\|AFK`	`haven't had to report or bow down to someone before`
`02:25.26`	`Anaxent`	`ah you are coming fromthat direction...lol`
`02:25.31`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Getting a practice into my head that im against is... hard`
`02:25.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:25.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:25.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:25.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:25.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:25.59`	`Chris\|AFK`	`;p;`
`02:26.01`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lol`
`02:26.10`	`Chris\|AFK`	`ill have to change that to`
`02:26.20`	`Chris\|AFK`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:26.39`	`Anaxent`	`haha`
`02:27.06`	`Chris\|AFK`	`But ya, im kinda excited, but i havent discussed anything with sultan or todd about it`
`02:27.13`	`Chris\|AFK`	`It was told to me by my boss directly`
`02:27.23`	`Anaxent`	`huh`
`02:27.34`	`Anaxent`	`id be talking to them`
`02:27.43`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Basicaly bro, my site has caused major friction`
`02:27.46`	`Anaxent`	`to get a better grip of the transition`
`02:28.10`	`Chris\|AFK`	`So sultan sat down with eric about a month or two ago and said we want stockton under our dept.`
`02:28.17`	`Chris\|AFK`	`and, eric said F-OFF`
`02:28.23`	`Chris\|AFK`	`so they tried to shut my server down`
`02:28.24`	`Anaxent`	`i bet as they are set in there own ways`
`02:28.30`	`Anaxent`	`oh they want full control`
`02:28.31`	`Chris\|AFK`	`then thomas said F-OFF it stays on`
`02:28.49`	`Chris\|AFK`	`so now sultan and todd say F-OFFhe needs to come to dev`
`02:29.01`	`Anaxent`	`sigh`
`02:29.13`	`Anaxent`	`sound like it will be fun`
`02:29.19`	`Chris\|AFK`	`and they told eric ill be dedicated to building tools like i am now`
`02:29.29`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but... i have a feeling my priorities will change`
`02:29.34`	`Anaxent`	`but not on what yoiu are doing now`
`02:29.46`	`Chris\|AFK`	`We have alot of things coming up`
`02:29.54`	`Chris\|AFK`	`the new ticket system, billing db.. all kinds of crap`
`02:29.57`	`Anaxent`	`yes i have heard about some of them`
`02:30.09`	`Anaxent`	`all the branding issues and all as well`
`02:30.16`	`Chris\|AFK`	`if they see the light of php and realize it's a solid language`
`02:30.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`ill be a very busy guy`
`02:30.34`	`Anaxent`	`i hope`
`02:30.35`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but slightly more happy`
`02:30.39`	`Anaxent`	`as it is a great language`
`02:30.48`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i dont want to wind up writing vdeck crap`
`02:30.56`	`Chris\|AFK`	`perl is so shitty`
`02:31.00`	`Chris\|AFK`	`awesome.. dont get me wrong`
`02:31.02`	`Anaxent`	`but not looking good due to todd being on the board of java community and all`
`02:31.03`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but not for that`
`02:31.16`	`Chris\|AFK`	`whats todd?`
`02:31.18`	`Anaxent`	`they don't like peral eaither`
`02:31.35`	`Chris\|AFK`	`u being sarcastic or is he really on a damn comittee`
`02:31.43`	`Chris\|AFK`	`cause dont get me started on java or sun`
`02:31.46`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lol`
`02:32.01`	`Anaxent`	`he was the president of the java board here then made a new position so he could goto school and stay at the top of that board`
`02:32.37`	`Chris\|AFK`	`java applets and servlets and all that crap`
`02:32.37`	`Anaxent`	`doa google search on his full name you will see his background and really is great to have him on our team`
`02:32.41`	`Chris\|AFK`	`just not into it`
`02:32.49`	`Anaxent`	`enterprize shiznit`
`02:33.44`	`Chris\|AFK`	`the thing is`
`02:33.49`	`Anaxent`	`him and sultan have a great background from what I have gathered and far rom what we are doing now`
`02:33.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`oh i know this`
`02:34.13`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but i just dont understand what makes java so powerfull, ive played with it`
`02:34.20`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i compiled silly little java applets`
`02:34.24`	`Anaxent`	`and thomas is listening to them for the most of it`
`02:34.40`	`Chris\|AFK`	`tried to get some java servlet pages going.. didnt get their yet`
`02:34.55`	`Chris\|AFK`	`C++ thats something i like`
`02:35.04`	`Anaxent`	`this is all the .jsp language`
`02:35.08`	`Anaxent`	`right`
`02:35.23`	`Chris\|AFK`	`java servlet pages is jsp ya`
`02:35.29`	`Anaxent`	`yes`
`02:35.31`	`Chris\|AFK`	`it's compiled into byte code`
`02:35.38`	`Chris\|AFK`	`still read through a interputer`
`02:35.48`	`Chris\|AFK`	`not into machine code nor is asp`
`02:36.05`	`Chris\|AFK`	`so all these people with their MIT computer science high horses are just silly sometimes lol`
`02:36.15`	`Anaxent`	`lol`
`02:36.19`	`Chris\|AFK`	`compiled this and compiled that`
`02:37.37`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but funny ive thought about going to school for it`
`02:37.39`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lol`
`03:15.28`	`Zanix`	`whew`
`03:15.30`	`Zanix`	`busy today`
`03:15.34`	`Zanix`	`how is everyone`
`03:16.00`	`Anaxent`	`doing good`
`03:16.23`	`Anaxent`	`my morning was very busy but the rest was a breeze`
`03:20.33`	`Anaxent`	`stockten was just here a good 1/2 hr ago though`
`03:21.01`	`Zanix`	`I keep missing him`
`03:21.11`	`Zanix`	`and I haven't even got to look at the cpframework`
`03:21.22`	`Anaxent`	`yeah he is online in work chat I think though`
`03:21.27`	`Anaxent`	`ah really`
`03:21.36`	`Anaxent`	`he is getting a new version of it ready for us`
`03:21.49`	`Anaxent`	`but what is online in PleegWat post is basiclly all of it`
`03:22.04`	`Anaxent`	`i think he is adding a few more classes for us though`
`03:23.03`	`Zanix`	`yeah, I have been trying to keep up with those conversations`
`03:23.14`	`Zanix`	`I trust that pleeg knows what we want`
`03:23.26`	`Anaxent`	`yes it seems tha he does`
`03:23.33`	`Anaxent`	`I can feel him think sometimes`
`03:23.43`	`Zanix`	`lol, that much power huh?`
`03:23.47`	`Anaxent`	`putting things together for us`
`03:23.57`	`Anaxent`	`lol yeah`
`03:24.31`	`Anaxent`	`i feel that he does have a decent understanding of the power of this framework`
`03:24.57`	`Anaxent`	`just getting used to it from what we have been using meaning our ways of doing things`
`03:25.34`	`Zanix`	`I need to sit down with it and play around`
`03:26.29`	`Anaxent`	`yes`
`03:26.33`	`Anaxent`	`yes you must`
`03:26.49`	`Zanix`	`en quick looks at it, and I like what I see`
`03:26.56`	`Zanix`	`I have taken quick`
`03:26.59`	`Anaxent`	`the fact we can take most of roster now and make small classes of all the code and load anywhere on demand basicly`
`03:27.09`	`Zanix`	`exactly`
`03:27.25`	`Anaxent`	`just figuring out some of the core workings`
`03:27.31`	`Zanix`	`I need to figure out how we are going to handle addons then`
`03:27.38`	`Zanix`	`but core first`
`03:27.38`	`Anaxent`	`who will we incorperate uploading of luas`
`03:27.58`	`Anaxent`	`the core is about handling addons`
`03:28.03`	`Anaxent`	`imo`
`03:28.18`	`Zanix`	`...true`
`03:28.22`	`Zanix`	`lol, duh`
`03:28.48`	`Zanix`	`i think a single module that other modules/plug-ins register with for lua uploading would be good, kinda like in 1.8`
`03:29.25`	`Anaxent`	`i also see that 1.8 or the work for its direction can still work here`
`03:29.45`	`Anaxent`	`as you guys have been building it for this goal in many ways`
`03:29.58`	`Zanix`	`yeah, we have`
`03:30.01`	`Anaxent`	`its now we have more of a good starting point`
`03:30.20`	`Zanix`	`pleeg and I just made the decision to just start on 2`
`03:30.30`	`Zanix`	`and use 1.8 as learning material`
`03:30.42`	`Anaxent`	`building the framework yes we would have known it start to finish using someone else we have to learnin it`
`03:30.48`	`Zanix`	`as well as the current 2.0 material`
`03:30.53`	`Zanix`	`since that has smarty code in it`
`03:31.29`	`Zanix`	`Im so glad Chris is willing to do this for us`
`03:31.30`	`Anaxent`	`right`
`03:32.14`	`Anaxent`	`yes it is cool`
`03:32.34`	`Anaxent`	`and very open on our imput`
`03:32.55`	`Anaxent`	`granted he will be releasing the framework to the public....`
`03:33.45`	`Anaxent`	`but with very strict guide lines that we will be able to bypass on a few of them`
`03:34.21`	`Anaxent`	`so we have what he would call plugins and modules`
`03:34.44`	`Anaxent`	`i see this more as if they were blocks and modules in other terms`
`03:34.59`	`Anaxent`	`as blocks are 1 page modules can be more than one`
`03:35.29`	`Anaxent`	`how do we break roster down in to these groups`
`03:35.41`	`Anaxent`	`big question is admin cp and user auth`
`03:35.50`	`Anaxent`	`where is Silancer`
`03:35.56`	`Anaxent`	`its been along time`
`03:37.07`	`Zanix`	`yeah it has`
`03:37.16`	`Zanix`	`I dont understand his user auth system at all`
`03:38.51`	`Zanix`	`I dont wanna deal with this`
`03:39.04`	`Zanix`	`the wowamp or ampwow site`
`03:39.20`	`Zanix`	`using our beta code, even though it is forbidden to do so`
`03:39.43`	`Anaxent`	`whos auth? deal with the wowamp shiznit?`
`03:39.50`	`Anaxent`	`yeah really`
`03:40.06`	`Anaxent`	`beta code, removing of all credits....`
`03:40.10`	`Anaxent`	`need i say more`
`03:41.52`	`Anaxent`	`he had explained the auth system earlier and it made sence and seemed like it owuld be easy to add groups`
`03:42.35`	`Anaxent`	`damn my cpu is not keeping a log file of chat I can only see so many lines up`
`03:43.11`	`Anaxent`	`and dudes offline otherwize id ask him to come back in`
`03:44.25`	`Zanix`	`i ment silencer's`
`03:44.57`	`Anaxent`	`oh`
`03:45.06`	`Anaxent`	`I have not seen it yet my self`
`03:45.28`	`Zanix`	`its in Roster2`
`03:45.31`	`Zanix`	`in the SVN`
`03:46.05`	`Zanix`	`he said that you should just be able to add one file and it can merge with a cms's auth`
`03:46.52`	`Anaxent`	`i can see that as login.php is one file that was changed to match df`
`03:47.55`	`Zanix`	`in R2 in the SVN?`
`03:47.57`	`Anaxent`	`nah from what you just said`
`03:48.07`	`Anaxent`	`i havnt seen r2 code yet`
`03:48.24`	`Anaxent`	`I should really grab it though`
`03:48.46`	`Anaxent`	`I want to be a big part in designing the next gen roster with all of you guys`
`03:49.23`	`Anaxent`	`1.7.2 will be the last port you will see me do im thinking as we move forward`
`03:51.24`	`Zanix`	`no problem`
`03:51.45`	`Anaxent`	`grabbing them now`
`03:52.02`	`Zanix`	`there is some good stuff there, like the cahracter pages`
`03:52.08`	`Zanix`	`i will be reusing alot of that`
`03:52.15`	`Zanix`	`and some of warlas code as well`
`03:52.29`	`Zanix`	`especially the design and look`
`03:52.46`	`Anaxent`	`yes it really does look nice`
`03:53.36`	`Anaxent`	`so with addons and themes...`
`03:54.02`	`Anaxent`	`would there be away to unpak .zip .tar after uploaded?`
`03:55.06`	`Anaxent`	`man i love svn download speeds`
`03:55.25`	`Zanix`	`yeah, definatly`
`03:55.34`	`Zanix`	`I can use the code from UniAdmin to do that`
`03:55.42`	`Anaxent`	`cool`
`03:55.51`	`Zanix`	`it only does zip, but I can find a different lib`
`03:55.55`	`Anaxent`	`was talking to pleeg about addons`
`03:55.58`	`Zanix`	`to handle others`
`03:56.01`	`Anaxent`	`say on server side`
`03:56.20`	`Zanix`	`i hope pleeg logs in tonight`
`03:56.27`	`Zanix`	`I wanna package up a RC1`
`03:56.33`	`Anaxent`	`if we were to make avaliable all roster approved addons we could auto install them to users dirs`
`03:57.17`	`Anaxent`	`but if the user had the ability to package up there addons/themes and install that way would be great`
`03:57.38`	`Anaxent`	`i would think tar would be better then we could probably do a file check before unpak`
`03:58.29`	`Zanix`	`yeah, I wanna build in zip uploading for themes, addons, interface imagepacks`
`03:59.14`	`Anaxent`	`tar -tzf is the command to list contents of tars in ssh`
`03:59.27`	`Anaxent`	`then we could make sure there is atleast this and this file`
`04:00.44`	`Zanix`	`true`
`04:00.49`	`Zanix`	`that would work well`
`04:00.55`	`Anaxent`	`see im i kind of in awe... where do i start`
`04:01.13`	`Zanix`	`the zip lib that UniAdmin uses can do that as well, just list files in the archive`
`04:01.38`	`Zanix`	`I would do that instead of extracting everything, but UniAdmin needs md5 hashes of every file`
`04:01.47`	`Anaxent`	`it feels like there needs to be some core things finished first before we can really dive in and most of it is going to be talk to see what way we want to go`
`04:01.49`	`Zanix`	`and the zip lib doesnt do that when listing`
`04:02.51`	`Anaxent`	`the md5 hash is a good idea to make sure nothing has changed and all is well`
`04:03.33`	`Anaxent`	`and needed in ua/uu to compaire right?`
`04:04.05`	`Zanix`	`for chcking if UniAdmin has a newer version of an addon`
`04:04.13`	`Zanix`	`then UniUploader grabs the zip file`
`04:04.24`	`Anaxent`	`thats what i thought`
`04:04.26`	`Zanix`	`..so yeah`
`04:04.27`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`04:04.42`	`Zanix`	`hmm, seems that calvins images suck....`
`04:05.02`	`Anaxent`	`there was a guy i sw on the forums that made nice images`
`04:05.10`	`Zanix`	`yeah, looking for that now`
`04:05.20`	`Zanix`	`I need to get them in the SVN`
`04:05.27`	`Zanix`	`and generate a download`
`04:05.36`	`Anaxent`	`time restraints can hold people back from major ichievments`
`04:06.15`	`Anaxent`	`that should be in a hallmark card for sorry i was late type of card`
`04:07.02`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`04:07.05`	`Zanix`	`very nice`
`04:10.54`	`Zanix`	`I have to pick up my GF in 30 minutes`
`04:12.44`	`Anaxent`	`yeah mine should be home soon`
`04:14.00`	`Zanix`	`Net Balance: $285.08`
`04:14.01`	`Zanix`	`wow`
`04:14.07`	`Zanix`	`23rd Dhovin $50.00`
`04:14.34`	`Zanix`	`we're going to have a nice surplus for january when no-one has money to donate, lol`
`04:16.25`	`Anaxent`	`lol yeah`
`04:17.04`	`Anaxent`	`then if Flukes builds this .dll where we could get addons right from there db...ua/uu will have a field day`
`04:24.14`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`04:24.28`	`Zanix`	`it shall be glorious, lol`
`04:27.35`	`Anaxent`	`so silencer is using liveuser as a auth pear auth framework`
`04:30.05`	`Anaxent`	`liveuser seems to be setup for php5`
`04:30.30`	`Anaxent`	`but yeah ur right its a bit confusing or atleast to me`
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`07:14.25`	`Zanix`	`weird`
`09:30.15`	`Zanix`	`well, I guess I better update the Interface Iconpack download`
`10:02.57`	`Zanix`	`PleegWat: are you around?`
`10:18.09`	`PleegWat`	`Hi, I'm in but I'm reading the backlogs first`
`10:23.24`	`PleegWat`	`done`
`10:27.56`	`Zanix`	`yay`
`10:28.08`	`PleegWat`	`so what's up`
`10:28.12`	`Zanix`	`sorry I haven't been available recently`
`10:28.19`	`Zanix`	`a whole bunch of crap`
`10:28.25`	`PleegWat`	`wow big donation again`
`10:31.07`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`10:31.21`	`Zanix`	`so when everyone is broke in januaray, we will be ok`
`10:32.28`	`PleegWat`	`yup`
`10:38.45`	`Zanix`	`I havnt got a chance to look over cpframework as of yet`
`10:38.56`	`PleegWat`	`yeah, you've said`
`10:39.35`	`PleegWat`	`There's not much actual interesting functionality in there, but th ideas are excellent`
`10:40.10`	`PleegWat`	`s/ th / the /`
`10:42.29`	`Zanix`	`well, from what I have read of your conversations, it seems like you got a good hold of what we can do`
`10:42.55`	`Zanix`	`and once I get time to actually sit down and really look at it and how it is doing what it is doing`
`10:43.08`	`Zanix`	`I may be able to insert some opinion`
`10:43.21`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`10:43.44`	`PleegWat`	`The more I think about it the more I like the idea to store non-volatile framework data in PHP-parsable files`
`10:44.19`	`Zanix`	`such as?`
`10:44.35`	`Zanix`	`config pages?`
`10:45.09`	`Zanix`	`i admit that the config pages in Roster was more of a toy than a good way to accomplish the task`
`10:45.22`	`PleegWat`	`Well, I'm talking storage not GUI`
`10:45.35`	`Zanix`	`the config table should just be setting -> value`
`10:45.38`	`PleegWat`	`The way the roster config table was set up was nice for the idea`
`10:45.51`	`Zanix`	`yeah, very easy to implement with files as well`
`10:46.02`	`PleegWat`	`And you should have it like that, probably. You can't have the settings there and the config type hardcoded.`
`10:46.04`	`Zanix`	`and easier to update, updating SQL is kind of a pain`
`10:46.33`	`Zanix`	`well, im my opinion, the config type should be in a file`
`10:46.38`	`PleegWat`	`My idea is having a php file with entries like`
`10:46.45`	`PleegWat`	`# form_type and other config metadata`
`10:46.56`	`PleegWat`	`$roster_conf['keyname'] = setting;`
`10:47.09`	`PleegWat`	`Or whatever the config will be stored in`
`10:47.13`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`10:47.18`	`Zanix`	`id like this way`
`10:47.21`	`PleegWat`	`Then when loading the config it'll do to just include the file`
`10:47.32`	`Zanix`	`$roster->config['main']['key']`
`10:47.49`	`PleegWat`	`When actually changing it, the file can be parsed so the metadata is also pulled`
`10:47.51`	`Zanix`	`then addons or modules can have their own array`
`10:47.57`	`Zanix`	`$roster->config['module']['key']`
`10:48.10`	`Zanix`	`hmmm`
`10:48.44`	`Zanix`	`i think dragonfly does it this way`
`10:48.47`	`PleegWat`	`When writing the changes you need to be able to edit the file, or you could create a new one that can be uploaded (though that would be some hassle)`
`10:49.04`	`PleegWat`	`And it allows for manual config changes if needed`
`10:49.12`	`Zanix`	`yeah, we could use a cache folder so the user only sets one folder writable`
`10:51.00`	`PleegWat`	`Besides I think it'd be cpMain::$instances['config']->config['module']['key']`
`10:51.24`	`PleegWat`	`or cpMain::$instances['config']->fetch('module','key')`
`10:52.43`	`Zanix`	`true`
`10:52.54`	`Zanix`	`you would know better than I, lol`
`10:53.00`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`10:53.16`	`Zanix`	`I trust you when talking this over with chris`
`10:53.30`	`Zanix`	`everything I read is good with me`
`10:57.56`	`PleegWat`	`Well, there's a couple of ideas of stuff we need in a thread in the R2 forums. If there's one in there that you like, you're welcome to take it up.`
`10:58.27`	`PleegWat`	`Me doing the bottom and you the top worked fine for the addon installer in 1.8, and I'm fine with doing it like that again, but I think you need more of an idea what the bottom will look like before starting that`
`10:58.59`	`Zanix`	`very true`
`10:59.13`	`Zanix`	`and to be honest, we need more than just you and me`
`10:59.30`	`Zanix`	`and also, I would like a new name...`
`10:59.44`	`Zanix`	`because we can just call this WoWRoster anymore`
`10:59.52`	`Zanix`	`s/can/can't/`
`11:00.10`	`PleegWat`	`Dunno. WoWRoster works for me`
`11:00.17`	`PleegWat`	`Or R2`
`11:00.43`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`11:00.51`	`Zanix`	`R2 could work`
`11:00.57`	`Zanix`	`no meaning, just R2`
`11:01.02`	`Zanix`	`R2 CMS`
`11:01.11`	`PleegWat`	`I'm not one for complicated naming. I'm bad at thinking up names`
`11:01.19`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`11:01.22`	`Zanix`	`<< same here`
`11:02.05`	`PleegWat`	`I'm fine if you set up a naming contest but I'm not gonna judge the entries, I'll stick with yelling at the judges if they end up with a name I don't like`
`11:02.58`	`Zanix`	`hehe, the way it should be =P`
`11:04.15`	`Zanix`	`by the way, what do you say to getting RC1 out this weekend?`
`11:04.22`	`PleegWat`	`fine with me`
`11:04.33`	`Zanix`	`kind of like a christmas present`
`11:04.39`	`PleegWat`	`We're not getting any more bugreports on beta2`
`11:04.58`	`Zanix`	`nope, just the realmstatus thing that one guy is having problems with`
`11:05.02`	`PleegWat`	`And so few bugreports on beta2 anyway that there's unlikely to be any left in`
`11:05.07`	`Zanix`	`and I think its his server`
`11:05.22`	`Zanix`	`did you see my last update?`
`11:05.24`	`PleegWat`	`Dunno bout realmstatus. I'm europe and that's broke on blizz side`
`11:05.40`	`Zanix`	`yeah, but his a US server`
`11:05.45`	`PleegWat`	`My local repository for SVN isn't up to date`
`11:05.45`	`Zanix`	`on the xml feed`
`11:05.49`	`Zanix`	`ah`
`11:05.54`	`Zanix`	`i was kinda board on that last one`
`11:06.59`	`Zanix`	`im not sure if I got the french translation in for the two new config options`
`11:07.17`	`Zanix`	`nope...`
`11:09.15`	`Zanix`	`do we still want a dummy file for admin/update.php?`
`11:09.45`	`Zanix`	`oh and the update times`
`11:09.49`	`Zanix`	`i forgot about that`
`11:15.02`	`Zanix`	`I think I fixed that error just now`
`11:15.21`	`PleegWat`	`where the memberlog date is a day oiff?`
`11:15.21`	`Zanix`	`the time we got for updates was only based on hour minutes, not a full date/time`
`11:15.30`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`11:15.56`	`Zanix`	`it converts the time that is in GuildProfiler`
`11:15.57`	`Zanix`	`["timestamp"] = {`
`11:15.57`	`Zanix`	`["Members"] = 1166585791,`
`11:15.57`	`Zanix`	`["init"] = {`
`11:15.57`	`Zanix`	`["TimeStamp"] = 1166585791,`
`11:15.57`	`Zanix`	`["Date"] = "2006-12-19 20:36:31",`
`11:15.59`	`Zanix`	`["ServerTime"] = "20:35",`
`11:16.01`	`Zanix`	`["DateUTC"] = "2006-12-20 03:36:31",`
`11:16.12`	`Zanix`	`it was using this ["ServerTime"] = "20:35",`
`11:16.21`	`Zanix`	`and that is not a full qualified date`
`11:16.26`	`PleegWat`	`Need to go off for lunch`
`11:16.30`	`Zanix`	`i changed it to ["TimeStamp"] = 1166585791,`
`11:16.36`	`Zanix`	`ok, see you in a few`
`11:16.40`	`Zanix`	`ill be here`
`11:42.08`	`Zanix`	`ok, commited`
`11:47.08`	`PleegWat`	`back`
`11:50.05`	`Zanix`	`yay`
`11:50.07`	`Zanix`	`and stuff`
`11:50.18`	`Zanix`	`Im making a download of the interface imagepack`
`11:50.31`	`Zanix`	`and updating the SVN with it`
`11:50.41`	`PleegWat`	`Which one you using? Calvin's?`
`11:51.41`	`Zanix`	`no, the ones in the beta forum are better qaulity`
`11:51.45`	`Zanix`	`imho`
`11:51.45`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`11:52.05`	`PleegWat`	`Calvin's weren't too high quality this time`
`11:52.14`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`11:52.25`	`Zanix`	`maybe he was in a rush`
`11:53.23`	`PleegWat`	`When will we put the framework in SVN, when the final version is out?`
`11:55.01`	`Zanix`	`yeah, I would say that is best`
`11:56.04`	`Zanix`	`733 new icons`
`11:56.05`	`Zanix`	`wow`
`11:56.23`	`PleegWat`	`10-15 new talents per class`
`11:56.28`	`PleegWat`	`Load of new spells`
`11:56.34`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`11:56.45`	`PleegWat`	`Icons for all of the new TBC gear, probably`
`11:56.57`	`Zanix`	`most likely`
`11:59.07`	`Zanix`	`so will we have to change the credits now?`
`11:59.14`	`Zanix`	`since we are not using calvin's images?`
`11:59.39`	`PleegWat`	`We use calvin's profiler`
`11:59.43`	`PleegWat`	`And we don't bundle the images`
`11:59.50`	`Zanix`	`true`
`12:00.04`	`Zanix`	`we do have the icons specifically in the credits`
`12:01.00`	`PleegWat`	`might wanna fix that then, just mention the profiler`
`12:01.09`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`12:01.23`	`Zanix`	`I trying to ake your advice, commit after each fix`
`12:01.28`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`12:04.39`	`Zanix`	`and original dev links point to non-existant sites now`
`12:04.41`	`Zanix`	`:(`
`12:05.12`	`Zanix`	`cept rubic and konkers`
`12:05.27`	`PleegWat`	`Keep them for 1.7.2`
`12:05.42`	`PleegWat`	`And forget about original dev links altogether for R2`
`12:08.14`	`Zanix`	`wont need them`
`12:08.22`	`Zanix`	`since we are re-writing`
`12:08.31`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`12:08.31`	`Zanix`	`hows this`
`12:08.32`	`Zanix`	`http://cvsroster.homeip.net/roster1x/trunk/credits.php`
`12:08.40`	`Zanix`	`im updating the credits`
`12:09.16`	`Zanix`	`we should remove the beta team`
`12:09.25`	`PleegWat`	`yes`
`12:09.27`	`Zanix`	`since we are doing public betas now`
`12:09.35`	`PleegWat`	`Move the javascript library block there`
`12:10.08`	`Zanix`	`k`
`12:11.23`	`Zanix`	`there`
`12:11.43`	`PleegWat`	`nice`
`12:12.14`	`Zanix`	`I really wanted to add that extra for anthony`
`12:13.14`	`Zanix`	`maybe not the we will miss you`
`12:13.15`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`12:13.22`	`Zanix`	`im getting al sentimental`
`12:13.28`	`Zanix`	`s/al/all/`
`12:14.41`	`Zanix`	`did you know that this used to be called mordon Roster?`
`12:14.49`	`Zanix`	`a little trivia`
`12:14.50`	`PleegWat`	`no`
`12:15.06`	`PleegWat`	`I didn't`
`12:15.17`	`Zanix`	`yep, mordon coded this before 1.04`
`12:15.26`	`Zanix`	`1.04 was me and anthony`
`12:15.40`	`Zanix`	`errm, anthony and me`
`12:15.42`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`12:16.52`	`Zanix`	`im trying to add little things to the inactive side`
`12:17.21`	`Zanix`	`oo, gotta move shinx over too`
`12:17.33`	`Zanix`	`h etold me that he doesnt have tim e for us anymore`
`12:18.47`	`PleegWat`	`didn't want to mention him. Haven't seen him lately but didn't know if he's still active`
`12:19.02`	`Zanix`	`maybe I should just put inactive then`
`12:19.18`	`Zanix`	`I dont have official word form him`
`12:19.32`	`PleegWat`	`meh`
`12:19.40`	`Zanix`	`seleleth pops in once in awhile`
`12:19.47`	`PleegWat`	`Keep him in for 1.7.2, and start clean on R2`
`12:20.00`	`Zanix`	`and I havent seen silencer-ch-au for some tim eeither`
`12:20.10`	`PleegWat`	`true`
`12:20.26`	`Zanix`	`k`
`12:20.58`	`Zanix`	`we have eqdkp listed twice`
`12:21.04`	`Zanix`	`do we need both?`
`12:21.14`	`Zanix`	`in the purple table and again below the tables`
`12:21.30`	`PleegWat`	`I think we can drop the one below`
`12:21.40`	`PleegWat`	`damn wait`
`12:21.44`	`PleegWat`	`that's the license mention`
`12:21.55`	`Zanix`	`ah, ok`
`12:22.34`	`Zanix`	`that makes sense`
`12:24.39`	`Zanix`	`so ,that look ok to you?`
`12:25.13`	`PleegWat`	`fine with me`
`12:25.42`	`Zanix`	`ok`
`12:26.15`	`Zanix`	`ill commit when the icons are done`
`12:34.34`	`Zanix`	`just a note about the icons`
`12:34.42`	`Zanix`	`the buttons folder is gone now`
`12:34.59`	`Zanix`	`because of the way that calvin does the icon textures now`
`12:35.03`	`Zanix`	`without the full path`
`12:38.40`	`PleegWat`	`ic`
`12:38.44`	`PleegWat`	`figures`
`12:39.05`	`Zanix`	`oh well`
`12:39.17`	`Zanix`	`this is just fine`
`12:39.29`	`Zanix`	`man, icons take forever`
`12:57.37`	`Zanix`	`...still uploading`
`12:57.56`	`PleegWat`	`which ones you upping, 40x40?`
`12:58.10`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`12:58.22`	`Zanix`	`those look the best in roster`
`12:58.37`	`Zanix`	`and offer best quality vs file size ratio`
`13:23.36`	`Zanix`	`ok, its up`
`13:25.41`	`Zanix`	`updating download`
`13:31.26`	`PleegWat`	`Updating SVN now`
`13:32.47`	`Zanix`	`that took forever`
`13:33.01`	`Zanix`	`im soooo tired now`
`13:43.13`	`Zanix`	`wiki updated`
`13:44.58`	`Zanix`	`damn, I cant do this`
`13:45.01`	`Zanix`	`I need to sleep`
`13:45.37`	`Zanix`	`RC1 tomorrow, unless you want to package it up with the agree.inc file and amke a new post in the beta forum with the changes from svn 351`
`13:46.00`	`Zanix`	`my head is coming close to hitting my keyboard`
`13:46.05`	`Zanix`	`night`
`14:38.28`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`any chance for a new beta / rc / release of 1.72 before christmas? :)`
`14:39.11`	`PleegWat`	`Read up 3 lines`
`14:40.29`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`uhm...`
`14:40.34`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`I am very sorry`
`14:41.01`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`i read nearly the whole page up, but my brain seems to have shutdown just 3 lines before end :)`
`15:24.01`	`Anaxent`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo, <Zanix> RC1 tomorrow, unless you want to package it up with the agree.inc file and amke a new post in the beta forum with the changes from svn 351`
`15:24.01`	`Anaxent`	`<Zanix> my head is coming close to hitting my keyboard`
`15:24.19`	`PleegWat`	`hi anax`
`15:24.19`	`Anaxent`	`good moning`
`15:30.07`	`Anaxent`	`almost rdy for work, i think i need to pick up some coffee first thoough`
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`17:46.10`	`Anaxent`	`PleegWat, r u there`
`17:46.45`	`Anaxent`	`im looking at this filing system comparing it to r2 and cms apps`
`17:47.11`	`Anaxent`	`and trying to get an idea on how we would be putting everything together`
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`18:49.41`	`Guest867`	`:banana huhu`
`18:49.52`	`Anaxent`	`:monkey`
`18:50.12`	`Guest867`	`:elephant`
`18:50.13`	`Guest867`	`:p`
`19:00.21`	`PleegWat`	`hi`
`19:00.40`	`PleegWat`	`Well, addons could become modules or plugins`
`19:01.11`	`PleegWat`	`Central roster should use classes where that's plausible to reduce duplicate code in addons`
`19:01.31`	`PleegWat`	`Haven't checked, but are the template files in a module subdir or in a smarty subdir?`
`19:03.43`	`Anaxent`	`current file system`
`19:03.45`	`Anaxent`	`library`
`19:03.45`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:03.45`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`19:04.14`	`Anaxent`	`those are all the folders that make up the framework`
`19:04.37`	`Anaxent`	`there is a template dir that would hold the templates for main and each module/plugin`
`19:05.19`	`PleegWat`	`hm`
`19:05.31`	`PleegWat`	`That's nice for how the framework was designed`
`19:06.04`	`PleegWat`	`But to have the addon system work comfortably, it'd be better to have the templates in the module/plugin directory`
`19:06.23`	`PleegWat`	`Same with language files`
`19:06.52`	`Anaxent`	`wouldn't the addons and plugins just output to the .tpl files based of the user default theme`
`19:06.55`	`PleegWat`	`OTOH we could have 3rd party classes too, and we could construct a module installer that accepts a zip file`
`19:07.13`	`PleegWat`	`Simple addons wouldn't need their own template`
`19:07.36`	`PleegWat`	`Stuff like the members list could probably be done without its own template file`
`19:07.50`	`Anaxent`	`right but then some of the more complex like dkp, event calendar would need there own themes`
`19:08.09`	`PleegWat`	`They'd need their own template files to fit in with the main theme`
`19:08.15`	`Anaxent`	`or at least the base .tpl that the themese css would populate`
`19:08.20`	`Anaxent`	`right?`
`19:08.33`	`PleegWat`	`And I think the framework enforces each plugin/module to have at least one template file`
`19:08.49`	`Anaxent`	`yes from what i can tell`
`19:09.17`	`Anaxent`	`so all devs would have to make atleast one template file which isn't a problem`
`19:09.20`	`Anaxent`	`imo`
`19:09.21`	`PleegWat`	`Yeah, it does.`
`19:09.38`	`Anaxent`	`why`
`19:09.40`	`PleegWat`	`The plugin filename or the module folder+filename also determine the template filename`
`19:09.55`	`PleegWat`	`sry was behind a bit`
`19:11.07`	`PleegWat`	`Anyway I think we need some stuff like templates linked to classes. Stuff like the borders and such; those need to go into a format that they're usable in template files`
`19:11.22`	`Anaxent`	`yes you are right`
`19:12.00`	`Anaxent`	`open/closetable() and open/closeborder() functions`
`19:12.53`	`Anaxent`	`it could be a good idea to check out other cms type apps to get an idea on how they do things what makes there way better and all`
`19:13.35`	`PleegWat`	`well you're the expert there`
`19:13.54`	`Anaxent`	`lol yeah i suppose so`
`19:16.41`	`Anaxent`	`this is how ive seen most apps function with there theme dir`
`19:16.45`	`Anaxent`	`or file system wise`
`19:16.47`	`Anaxent`	`themes`
`19:16.47`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.47`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.47`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.47`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.48`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.50`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:16.52`	`Anaxent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:17.29`	`Anaxent`	`in the theme.php is where all the open/close functions are stored`
`19:17.51`	`Anaxent`	`and the header/footer.tpl is with in the template dir`
`19:18.11`	`Anaxent`	`with each of the modules/plugins templete files in there own dir`
`19:18.39`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`19:18.43`	`PleegWat`	`Not sure if smarty supports actual open/close functions or only file inclusion`
`19:19.20`	`Anaxent`	`http://infragilisguild.com/theme.phps`
`19:19.22`	`PleegWat`	`http://smarty.php.net/manual/en/language.syntax.functions.php OK it supports functions`
`19:21.31`	`Zanix\|away`	`yes, it does`
`19:21.37`	`PleegWat`	`hi zanix`
`19:21.47`	`PleegWat`	`Have you had your healthy 8 hours yet?`
`19:21.54`	`Zanix`	`no`
`19:21.58`	`Zanix`	`more like 6`
`19:22.03`	`PleegWat`	`not even 6`
`19:22.13`	`Zanix`	`i kinda wooooozzzzy`
`19:22.15`	`Anaxent`	`good morning sunshine`
`19:22.16`	`PleegWat`	`5:40 since you stopped chatting here`
`19:22.39`	`Zanix`	`hehe`
`19:22.40`	`Zanix`	`http://blog.wired.com/games/2006/12/bunnies_cant_st.html`
`19:22.58`	`Zanix`	`yeah, you are right`
`19:23.06`	`Zanix`	`i actually went to sleep at 6:30`
`19:23.34`	`Zanix`	`so we can create a bordering function in smarty code`
`19:24.03`	`Anaxent`	`yes it seems that we can`
`19:24.20`	`Anaxent`	`so there for we could make more than just border functions`
`19:24.44`	`Anaxent`	`we can make functions for all form actions like select, text, check box and such`
`19:25.04`	`PleegWat`	`ic`
`19:25.44`	`PleegWat`	`And we can loop over arrays, so we can to stuff like the members list but also the config page via that`
`19:26.21`	`Anaxent`	`what do you mean about loop over arrays?`
`19:26.30`	`PleegWat`	`foreachy`
`19:26.54`	`PleegWat`	`You can assign an array as a template variable, and the template can do a foreach over that array`
`19:27.03`	`Anaxent`	`ah`
`19:28.56`	`Zanix`	`I gotta go take GF to work`
`19:28.58`	`Zanix`	`laterz`
`19:29.07`	`Anaxent`	`later`
`19:29.23`	`PleegWat`	`later`
`19:30.04`	`PleegWat`	`So anyway, we can do template functions, foreach, if/elseif/else. Allows for quite some dynamics within a template.`
`19:38.30`	`Anaxent`	`yes for sure`
`19:49.17`	`PleegWat`	`Anyway zanix and I talked a bit about how to make config work`
`19:49.35`	`Anaxent`	`really how did that come out`
`19:49.38`	`PleegWat`	`I think it might be a nice idea to write config to a php-parsable file for speed`
`19:49.59`	`PleegWat`	`That's probably slower than DB for saving, but it's definitely faster for loading`
`19:50.07`	`Anaxent`	`yes we were talking about that as well the other day`
`19:50.21`	`Anaxent`	`loading is the key here though`
`19:50.39`	`PleegWat`	`Something like $array['key'] = setting # metadata`
`19:50.43`	`Anaxent`	`and how much of the config would be saved in text form`
`19:50.55`	`PleegWat`	`Where metadata is the form type and such`
`19:50.56`	`Anaxent`	`all of it or will there still be a db config`
`19:51.14`	`PleegWat`	`If we can get it to work nicely I don't see a reason to stick to DB for config`
`19:51.40`	`Anaxent`	`and how will this effect addon config`
`19:51.59`	`PleegWat`	`Dunno yet`
`19:52.06`	`PleegWat`	`Seperate file per module/addon prolly`
`19:52.40`	`PleegWat`	`We're definitely gonna need a plugin to extract modules/plugins to all the right directories if we keep this up`
`19:54.07`	`Anaxent`	`yes plus this would in the support area`
`19:56.42`	`PleegWat`	`ehm, what do you mean?`
`19:57.10`	`Anaxent`	`would make things easier for our users to install addons and themes`
`19:57.17`	`PleegWat`	`ah, ic`
`19:57.25`	`Anaxent`	`one upload that extracts its self in the correct areas`
`19:57.29`	`PleegWat`	`yes`
`19:57.30`	`*** join/#wowroster Matt_Miller (n=asoidhf@c-69-241-206-35.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`19:57.30`	`*** mode/#wowroster [+o Matt_Miller] by ChanServ`
`19:57.38`	`Anaxent`	`Matt_Miller, Welcome`
`19:57.40`	`PleegWat`	`I'd definitely want it to accept zip files on a web form yes`
`19:57.50`	`Matt_Miller`	`hi Anaxent and Pleegwat`
`19:58.42`	`PleegWat`	`hi matt`
`19:58.42`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://www.wowroster.net/addon_repository`
`19:58.43`	`Anaxent`	`using UA code we can check the zip to make sure atleast these files are incuded befor eit installs`
`19:58.43`	`Anaxent`	`oooo`
`19:58.43`	`Anaxent`	`what do we have here`
`19:58.43`	`Matt_Miller`	`its not complete yet`
`19:58.43`	`Matt_Miller`	`the svn is set up`
`19:58.49`	`Matt_Miller`	`and i have a link to the password file`
`19:59.09`	`Matt_Miller`	`so all i have to do is append a line to the file using php when someone "registers"`
`19:59.27`	`Matt_Miller`	`eventually i want this to auto pack each addon and let people download em`
`19:59.42`	`Matt_Miller`	`complete automation of the addon hosting :-)`
`19:59.58`	`PleegWat`	`is that for wow addons or roster addons`
`20:00.03`	`Matt_Miller`	`roster addons`
`20:00.14`	`PleegWat`	`nice`
`20:00.18`	`Matt_Miller`	`i noticed you guys were talking about wow addons and UA i think i confused you lol`
`20:00.56`	`Matt_Miller`	`svn://wowroster.net:1954`
`20:01.25`	`PleegWat`	`ic`
`20:04.02`	`Zanix`	`nice`
`20:04.34`	`Anaxent`	`wb zanix`
`20:05.05`	`Matt_Miller`	`hi Zanix`
`20:05.18`	`Zanix`	`hi`
`20:07.20`	`Zanix`	`are you making something like www.wowace.com/files ?`
`20:07.36`	`Zanix`	`but a little more it seems`
`20:09.44`	`PleegWat`	`I think though it might be wise to offer the config stuff in a class and have the modules implement it for themselves.`
`20:10.20`	`PleegWat`	`All the registration stuff in 1.8 made things too complicated I think`
`20:10.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`perhaps zanix`
`20:10.38`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`20:11.09`	`Matt_Miller`	`the problem we will have with the addon repository is: people can change each others addon subtrees`
`20:11.38`	`PleegWat`	`Yeah, you'd need permissions per tree'`
`20:11.47`	`Matt_Miller`	`theres virtually no way around it withough that`
`20:12.12`	`Zanix`	`i wonder how wowace handles this`
`20:12.33`	`Matt_Miller`	`there IS an alternative but it involves making system accounts for each author on our box`
`20:12.39`	`Matt_Miller`	`which is nasty`
`20:13.02`	`Anaxent`	`granted it is nasty, but is there away for them to register system account that we would activate?`
`20:13.05`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`20:14.11`	`Matt_Miller`	`and also they have to use SSH`
`20:14.12`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.serverconfig.svnserve.html#svn.serverconfig.svnserve.sshauth`
`20:14.34`	`Matt_Miller`	`its just nasty`
`20:14.45`	`Matt_Miller`	`its not meant to be automated at all`
`20:15.20`	`Matt_Miller`	`were just gonna have to tell the authors to keep backups of their addons "in case" something happens`
`20:15.22`	`Anaxent`	`no... don't look like it at all`
`20:15.34`	`Zanix`	`lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-dQGuI3ZUI&NR`
`20:15.35`	`Anaxent`	`lol backups`
`20:15.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`i dont think anyone would be malicious`
`20:15.41`	`Matt_Miller`	`lol right`
`20:15.44`	`Zanix`	`well, you can rollback svn`
`20:16.26`	`Anaxent`	`is svn the best way to go about this idea Matt`
`20:16.39`	`Matt_Miller`	`I think so`
`20:16.47`	`Anaxent`	`or could a download module like wowroster is using work as well`
`20:16.51`	`Zanix`	`I would think so as well`
`20:17.14`	`Matt_Miller`	`as well maybe but who wants to code that`
`20:17.16`	`Zanix`	`then addon devs could have a svn repo`
`20:17.21`	`Matt_Miller`	`i have 90% of this done`
`20:17.42`	`Zanix`	`anyway we could make this into a Df module for the site?`
`20:17.47`	`*** join/#wowroster Chris\|AFK (n=Chris@ip70-162-29-118.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`20:17.50`	`Anaxent`	`right svn repo`
`20:17.50`	`Matt_Miller`	`maybe`
`20:17.58`	`Anaxent`	`oh im sure we could`
`20:18.12`	`Anaxent`	`im getting pretty good at understanding the df module system`
`20:18.16`	`Zanix`	`Im getitng all sorts of ideas`
`20:18.18`	`Anaxent`	`whats up Chris\|AFK`
`20:18.24`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Nadda`
`20:18.25`	`PleegWat`	`hi chris`
`20:18.37`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Hows things coming along for yall`
`20:18.40`	`Anaxent`	`almost everyones logged in today`
`20:18.43`	`Anaxent`	`sweet`
`20:19.09`	`Chris\|AFK`	`: )`
`20:19.12`	`Matt_Miller`	`lmao cow tossing`
`20:19.13`	`PleegWat`	`Discussing a bit over how to set up some stuff`
`20:19.21`	`PleegWat`	`Config, module installing`
`20:19.26`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Cool`
`20:19.52`	`PleegWat`	`I think we're going to do config with php-parsable files. Store the metadata (field type etc) in comments.`
`20:20.42`	`Chris\|AFK`	`You talking about like things seperate from core components`
`20:20.46`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Or just all config`
`20:21.02`	`PleegWat`	`Well, config doesn't really have to be a core component`
`20:21.15`	`Chris\|AFK`	`And does the user put in that information, or does it get generated by a script`
`20:21.16`	`PleegWat`	`It would be a class, and quite essential to some of the functionality`
`20:21.35`	`Chris\|AFK`	`pretty cool idea`
`20:21.42`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I never thought about doing config stuff in comments`
`20:21.51`	`Zanix`	`having a lib for admin/user config pages`
`20:21.56`	`PleegWat`	`$array['key'] = setting # metadata`
`20:22.04`	`Chris\|AFK`	`oh`
`20:22.07`	`PleegWat`	`Where the metadata is the field type, etc`
`20:22.08`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I thouhgt you meant..`
`20:22.19`	`Chris\|AFK`	`like /** config stuff */`
`20:22.27`	`PleegWat`	`So you could just run it through the php parser to get the config loaded`
`20:22.37`	`Chris\|AFK`	`sounds good just gotta make sure no line breaks on metadata hehe`
`20:22.41`	`PleegWat`	`And you can parse it with a script if you need the metadata to build a config page`
`20:22.57`	`Zanix`	`well we could do this then`
`20:23.05`	`Zanix`	`$array['key'] = setting /* metadata */`
`20:23.20`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Sound kewl`
`20:23.35`	`PleegWat`	`yeah, /* */ might be nicer than #`
`20:23.36`	`Chris\|AFK`	`This data; is it setup by the system, or user data?`
`20:23.59`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Like, entered by a user`
`20:24.04`	`PleegWat`	`Well, the system (modules, plugins, possibly framework) decide what there is to configure`
`20:24.12`	`PleegWat`	`But there'd need to be a user page to make the settings`
`20:24.28`	`PleegWat`	`Meaning we'd also need a function to write back changed settings`
`20:24.36`	`Chris\|AFK`	`gotta just make sure you dont like unescape something and leave some config exposed i reckon`
`20:25.12`	`Chris\|AFK`	`so what is metadata`
`20:25.22`	`Chris\|AFK`	`like, the settings for different methods?`
`20:25.36`	`PleegWat`	`The metadata would say what kind of setting it is`
`20:25.48`	`Zanix`	`what type of form type to draw`
`20:25.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`ahhh so just for forms`
`20:26.01`	`PleegWat`	`Like is it an edit box, or a couple of radio buttons, or a dropdown, or whatever`
`20:26.07`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`20:26.08`	`Zanix`	`yeah for the config page`
`20:26.18`	`Chris\|AFK`	`DId ya'll know that smarty has plugins`
`20:26.25`	`Zanix`	`yep`
`20:26.41`	`Chris\|AFK`	`might wanna look around at it to, might have something that will save you time with form handling`
`20:26.43`	`PleegWat`	`For normal page calls, you don't need the metadata but only the $array['key']=setting part`
`20:27.26`	`Chris\|AFK`	`sweet`
`20:27.29`	`Zanix`	`lol, if I even get a wii, I have to get that gfame`
`20:28.22`	`Zanix`	`s/even/ever/`
`20:28.36`	`Chris\|AFK`	`hehe`
`20:28.40`	`Zanix`	`lol, two tupos`
`20:28.43`	`Zanix`	`typos`
`20:28.48`	`Zanix`	`GUHAAAAHHHH`
`20:29.21`	`Anaxent`	`haha`
`20:29.36`	`Anaxent`	`http://smarty.incutio.com/?page=SmartyPlugins`
`20:29.37`	`Zanix`	`lol, at 5min 30sec -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQC9v9QmOnQ&mode=related&search=`
`20:31.10`	`Zanix`	`pooping bunnies`
`20:31.11`	`Zanix`	`hehe`
`20:31.24`	`Anaxent`	`you and your bunnies today`
`20:31.29`	`Zanix`	`yeah, I know`
`20:31.30`	`Chris\|AFK`	`wierd looking game lol`
`20:31.43`	`Zanix`	`i have always liked rayman`
`20:32.12`	`Matt_Miller`	`i want to buy a wii just for that game lol`
`20:33.40`	`Zanix`	`WTF? -> "Issues with 1.7.2 and phpNuke 7.9"`
`20:33.45`	`Zanix`	`http://www.wowroster.net/Forums/viewtopic/t=2087.html`
`20:34.05`	`PleegWat`	`Who's in charge of defending the license?`
`20:34.30`	`Zanix`	`I dunno`
`20:36.53`	`Zanix`	`does anyone want this job?`
`20:37.06`	`PleegWat`	`I don't`
`20:37.24`	`Anaxent`	`off topic - Zanix i modded my site a bit more this morning my top center block can now show on any page not just the home page and i can set the blocks to only be visable on what modules I want them to be on`
`20:37.39`	`Zanix`	`cool`
`20:37.42`	`Anaxent`	`worse comes to worse ill take on the job`
`20:38.01`	`Anaxent`	`http://infragilisguild.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro`
`20:38.12`	`Anaxent`	`so now the guild msg of the day is shown on all pages`
`20:38.32`	`Zanix`	`shinny`
`20:39.32`	`Zanix`	`crap, I need to fix my car todya`
`20:39.42`	`Zanix`	`s/todya/today/`
`20:40.09`	`Matt_Miller`	`lol`
`20:40.17`	`Matt_Miller`	`the ball fell`
`20:40.21`	`Matt_Miller`	`teh ball fell`
`20:40.28`	`Matt_Miller`	`crap, teh ball fell`
`20:40.37`	`Matt_Miller`	`s/teh/the`
`20:40.41`	`Matt_Miller`	`s/teh/the/`
`20:40.46`	`Matt_Miller`	`huh`
`20:40.51`	`PleegWat`	`lol`
`20:40.56`	`PleegWat`	`s/lol/lol/`
`20:41.11`	`PleegWat`	`s/lol/LOL/g`
`20:41.25`	`Matt_Miller`	`lol`
`20:41.27`	`PleegWat`	`s/l/ll/g`
`20:41.39`	`PleegWat`	`huh`
`20:42.09`	`Zanix`	`oooo "CharacterProfiler/GuildProfiler 2.0.2 released"`
`20:42.51`	`Zanix`	`nice, RC1 gets help off until we make sure CharacterProfiler and GuildProfiler 2.0.2 works`
`20:44.36`	`Zanix`	`s/help/held/`
`20:57.05`	`Anaxent`	`so we were talking about user/group permissions yesterday, what came out of that do we have better pans now?`
`20:58.02`	`Anaxent`	`Chris\|AFK, you were saying it should be really easy to add right on tot he usertables that are included?`
`21:02.18`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://www.wowroster.net/addon_repository/?o=help`
`21:07.37`	`Anaxent`	`looking great`
`21:07.43`	`Zanix`	`cool`
`21:07.44`	`PleegWat`	`nice`
`21:11.11`	`Zanix`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Category:SVN`
`21:11.18`	`Zanix`	`this is how wowace controls their SVN`
`21:12.31`	`Zanix`	`there are main trunk, tags, and branches folders`
`21:12.48`	`Zanix`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:12.52`	`Anaxent`	`and they are also manually creating all theuser accounts`
`21:12.55`	`Zanix`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:12.56`	`Anaxent`	`it seems`
`21:12.59`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`21:13.13`	`Matt_Miller`	`eew`
`21:13.16`	`Zanix`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:13.29`	`Zanix`	`i do like the organization though`
`21:13.48`	`Matt_Miller`	`i quiver at the word "manual"`
`21:13.49`	`Zanix`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:13.55`	`Zanix`	`hehe`
`21:15.44`	`PleegWat`	`Doing it manually is the only way to keep things secure though`
`21:16.36`	`Matt_Miller`	`true`
`21:16.54`	`Matt_Miller`	`lets see where this goes`
`21:17.02`	`Zanix`	`well, is there some way we can capture registrations`
`21:17.07`	`Zanix`	`then approve them?`
`21:17.17`	`Matt_Miller`	`then if something gets rotten ill implement a "admin aprooval" process`
`21:19.40`	`Zanix`	`http://cvsroster.homeip.net/roster1x/trunk/char.php?name=Treyce`
`21:19.47`	`Zanix`	`got the honor points in`
`21:21.44`	`PleegWat`	`nice`
`21:25.21`	`Zanix`	`downloads page updated for CharacterProfiler and GP 2.0.2`
`21:31.53`	`Matt_Miller`	`very nice zanix`
`21:34.58`	`Zanix`	`note about my commit for the honor points`
`21:35.06`	`Zanix`	`I removed the lifetimeCP field in the db`
`21:41.56`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Sorry was afk`
`21:42.29`	`Anaxent`	`yeah your username shows this Chris\|AFK`
`21:42.42`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`21:42.43`	`Anaxent`	`man it is a slow day here`
`21:42.45`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Anax, Yea, depending on the architecture of your permissions system.`
`21:42.57`	`Anaxent`	`at work that is`
`21:43.00`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Groups, whatever it maybe called`
`21:44.51`	`Zanix`	`clumps`
`21:44.54`	`Zanix`	`clods`
`21:44.58`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`21:50.42`	`Zanix`	`commit in 5`
`21:50.43`	`Zanix`	`4`
`21:50.46`	`Zanix`	`321`
`21:50.48`	`Zanix`	`BAM`
`21:53.36`	`Matt_Miller`	`lol`
`21:55.05`	`Chris\|AFK`	`hehe`
`21:55.16`	`PleegWat`	`heh lol`
`21:55.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`have you guys decided if your using cpframework?`
`21:55.39`	`PleegWat`	`Yeah, we are.`
`21:55.49`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I have the new version`
`21:55.53`	`Chris\|AFK`	`With proper headers, and comments`
`21:56.26`	`PleegWat`	`nice`
`21:57.14`	`Zanix`	`wootness`
`21:57.21`	`Zanix`	`or wootsauce`
`21:57.26`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lol`
`21:57.26`	`Zanix`	`ooo wootcakes!!!`
`21:57.33`	`Zanix`	`hmmm cakes.....`
`21:58.19`	`PleegWat`	`LOL`
`21:58.38`	`PleegWat`	`So, tag the current R2 and wipe it for cpframework?`
`21:59.48`	`Zanix`	`...`
`22:00.01`	`Zanix`	`go for it`
`22:00.18`	`PleegWat`	`what should I tag it under`
`22:01.03`	`PleegWat`	`original? legacy?`
`22:01.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`all done!`
`22:01.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://www.wowroster.net/addon_repository/`
`22:02.47`	`Matt_Miller`	`zanix can i make an announcement`
`22:02.48`	`Zanix`	`firstconcept`
`22:03.03`	`Matt_Miller`	`we can at least have people testing it right>`
`22:03.05`	`Zanix`	`i dunno what to call it "firstattempt"`
`22:03.14`	`Matt_Miller`	`lol yup`
`22:03.32`	`Zanix`	`so how is this going to work then matt?`
`22:03.46`	`Matt_Miller`	`authors register a user/pass`
`22:03.54`	`Matt_Miller`	`and they use that to make their folder in the repos`
`22:04.08`	`Matt_Miller`	`and whoever wants to browse/download can without a user/pass`
`22:04.20`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://www.wowroster.net/addon_repository/?o=help#doi`
`22:04.39`	`Zanix`	`ah`
`22:05.01`	`Zanix`	`do we wanna "copy" anything from wowace.com?`
`22:05.07`	`Zanix`	`like rules and such?`
`22:05.16`	`Matt_Miller`	`did they say we can`
`22:05.30`	`Zanix`	`no, but I was asking if we want to?`
`22:05.38`	`Chris\|AFK`	`you guys wanna take a look?`
`22:05.41`	`Matt_Miller`	`i think we should use our own materials because its not hard to think of FAQ items`
`22:05.50`	`Zanix`	`true`
`22:06.00`	`Matt_Miller`	`but`
`22:06.11`	`Matt_Miller`	`oh`
`22:06.19`	`Matt_Miller`	`not the organization stuff`
`22:06.30`	`PleegWat`	`There, old R2 out of the way`
`22:07.04`	`Zanix`	`yay`
`22:07.33`	`PleegWat`	`If you've got the whole repository local it'll redownload it into tag, but I want to have it still available somewhere`
`22:07.48`	`Matt_Miller`	`i want to copy this`
`22:07.48`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules`
`22:08.03`	`Matt_Miller`	`its CC 2.5 so were ok to copy it`
`22:08.23`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/cpFramework-core-1.5.0/cpFramework-core-1.5.0.tar`
`22:08.23`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/cpFramework-core-1.5.0/cpFramework-core-1.5.0.zip`
`22:08.23`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0.tar`
`22:08.24`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0.zip`
`22:08.27`	`PleegWat`	`Chris\|AFK, can you send me the new cpframework version?`
`22:08.29`	`PleegWat`	`thanks`
`22:08.53`	`Chris\|AFK`	`goign to make documentaiton in a few`
`22:08.54`	`PleegWat`	`links don't work`
`22:08.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`really`
`22:08.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`sec`
`22:09.03`	`PleegWat`	`I get a html page with 'coming soon'`
`22:09.37`	`Chris\|AFK`	`oh`
`22:09.39`	`Chris\|AFK`	`mod rewrite`
`22:09.40`	`Chris\|AFK`	`1 sec`
`22:09.53`	`Chris\|AFK`	`should be good now`
`22:09.54`	`PleegWat`	`suspected as much`
`22:10.02`	`Matt_Miller`	`woot`
`22:10.02`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://www.wowroster.net/addon_repository/?o=help`
`22:10.17`	`PleegWat`	`404?`
`22:10.41`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lol hold on`
`22:10.49`	`Chris\|AFK`	`oh`
`22:11.01`	`Chris\|AFK`	`add release after cpframework for them all`
`22:11.02`	`Chris\|AFK`	`;p`
`22:11.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/release/cpFramework-core-1.5.0/cpFramework-core-1.5.0.tar`
`22:11.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/release/cpFramework-core-1.5.0/cpFramework-core-1.5.0.zip`
`22:11.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/release/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0.tar`
`22:11.25`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/release/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0/cpFramework-packaged-1.5.0.zip`
`22:11.30`	`Chris\|AFK`	`that wasnt a very smooth rollout`
`22:11.40`	`Matt_Miller`	`lol`
`22:11.54`	`PleegWat`	`gotcha`
`22:12.13`	`Anaxent`	`haha`
`22:12.17`	`Chris\|AFK`	`let me know if their is errors in the packaged version`
`22:12.20`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i honestly didnt check`
`22:12.29`	`Zanix`	`what is the difference between core and packaged?`
`22:12.36`	`Chris\|AFK`	`core has nadda`
`22:12.37`	`Anaxent`	`well Chris you are going to be a great dev with them rool outs or atleast fit in here at sl`
`22:12.38`	`Anaxent`	`haha`
`22:12.43`	`Zanix`	`ah`
`22:12.46`	`Chris\|AFK`	`lol`
`22:13.05`	`Chris\|AFK`	`packaged has users, templating, and language handling built in`
`22:13.11`	`Chris\|AFK`	`core, is just the bare bones`
`22:13.16`	`Zanix`	`ok, I get it now`
`22:13.20`	`Chris\|AFK`	`method handling/singleton`
`22:13.26`	`Zanix`	`packaged is the one for us then?`
`22:13.28`	`PleegWat`	`There, it's in SVN`
`22:13.32`	`Chris\|AFK`	`depends`
`22:13.42`	`PleegWat`	`Inserted the packaged lua`
`22:13.50`	`PleegWat`	`We can always kick out the stuff we don't need`
`22:13.52`	`Chris\|AFK`	`You guys probably wanted packed, then you can delete/change classes as you please`
`22:14.15`	`PleegWat`	`We'll want to keep the templating at least`
`22:14.18`	`Anaxent`	`right that is what i was thinking go with packaged`
`22:14.20`	`Zanix`	`define("PATH_LOCAL", "C:/htdocs/myprojects/cpframework/current_core/");`
`22:14.31`	`Chris\|AFK`	`im dev'n on windows`
`22:14.32`	`Chris\|AFK`	`:P`
`22:14.45`	`Zanix`	`i mean, why dont you use php to get that pathing`
`22:14.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`it's a config file = )`
`22:14.58`	`PleegWat`	`define("PATH_LOCAL", dirname(__FILE__));`
`22:15.06`	`Zanix`	`dirname(__FILE__).DIR_SEP`
`22:15.42`	`Zanix`	`that auto grabs the path, so no setting it`
`22:15.43`	`Chris\|AFK`	`in all honesty because i believe that it should not have any logic/functions in it`
`22:15.46`	`Chris\|AFK`	`ya i know`
`22:15.53`	`Zanix`	`good point`
`22:15.55`	`Chris\|AFK`	`you guys could add it in though`
`22:16.17`	`Anaxent`	`it would make it easier for our user base to add it in`
`22:16.20`	`Zanix`	`for the release version yeah`
`22:16.24`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Really if your auto generating the config file`
`22:16.27`	`PleegWat`	`We're basically in a different situation`
`22:16.33`	`Chris\|AFK`	`you could make it write the path`
`22:16.50`	`PleegWat`	`Personally I'd prefer to have the config file such that we can install the DB from the framework`
`22:17.04`	`PleegWat`	`That's also why I'd like file-based config`
`22:17.34`	`PleegWat`	`Means we can have the DB installer for the roster itself run from inside the framework, and use the same DB installer for the roster and the addons`
`22:17.50`	`Zanix`	`thats nice`
`22:18.48`	`Chris\|AFK`	`Yep`
`22:19.02`	`Anaxent`	`dman - Character transfers are intended only between accounts which are registered to the same user. You will be required to verify both accounts, and the last name on each account must match. At this time it is not possible to bypass this restriction, even amongst friends and family.`
`22:19.10`	`Chris\|AFK`	`you could totaly do that by setting the db info to blank, and setting default method/plugin tot he installer`
`22:19.24`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but the only problem is the pathing config.. which with that function you can fix that`
`22:19.37`	`Zanix`	`and I usually redefine DIRECTORY_SEPERATOR as DIR_SEP`
`22:19.49`	`Chris\|AFK`	`it's shorter`
`22:19.54`	`Chris\|AFK`	`:P`
`22:20.06`	`Zanix`	`lol, yeah only reason`
`22:20.11`	`Zanix`	`cuz I hate typing`
`22:20.14`	`Chris\|AFK`	`It's deprecated in smarty because of some standards discussion`
`22:20.17`	`PleegWat`	`If we have a file-based config module, we don't need to store the DB info in the main config file at all`
`22:20.32`	`Zanix`	`how so Chris?`
`22:20.35`	`Chris\|AFK`	`so it was more clear it's representation`
`22:21.05`	`Zanix`	`ah`
`22:21.09`	`Chris\|AFK`	`you guys should totaly change things`
`22:21.14`	`PleegWat`	`Though I think apache accepts / as a directory seperator, even in windows`
`22:21.27`	`Zanix`	`i think php handles that`
`22:21.31`	`Zanix`	`or is supposed to`
`22:21.40`	`Zanix`	`I have seen it fail, on my server`
`22:21.50`	`Zanix`	`trying to use / fails`
`22:21.55`	`Zanix`	`where \ works fine`
`22:22.07`	`Zanix`	`stupid windows`
`22:22.39`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I prefer constants for anything sensitive myself`
`22:22.49`	`Chris\|AFK`	`its all preferences :D`
`22:22.53`	`Zanix`	`same here`
`22:22.55`	`Chris\|AFK`	`but let me know if ya guys have any problems`
`22:22.59`	`Zanix`	`so how does the locales work in this?`
`22:23.16`	`PleegWat`	`The way I'd implement config it's read only anyway`
`22:23.24`	`Zanix`	`does it load them all or just the one specified?`
`22:23.32`	`PleegWat`	`private storage array with a get function`
`22:23.44`	`PleegWat`	`So only the config module itself can change it`
`22:24.39`	`Chris\|AFK`	`sounds sweet`
`22:24.54`	`Chris\|AFK`	`a thousand ways to build roster... have fun lol`
`22:25.06`	`Zanix`	`ok, i need to eat`
`22:25.09`	`PleegWat`	`If we automate the pathing we should move it to index`
`22:25.20`	`PleegWat`	`The default settings can be in config if we autoload taht`
`22:25.36`	`PleegWat`	`that's the SYSTEM_DEFAULT_ defines`
`22:25.38`	`Chris\|AFK`	`AFK guys, have fun :D`
`22:25.45`	`Zanix\|away`	`thanks`
`22:25.45`	`PleegWat`	`Think that means we can dump the config file altogether`
`22:25.52`	`Anaxent`	`ok Chris\|AFK thx`
`22:25.56`	`PleegWat`	`thanks`
`22:26.10`	`Zanix\|away`	`we will let you know if we break it`
`22:26.20`	`Zanix\|away`	`lol`
`22:26.24`	`Anaxent`	`haha you said break it`
`22:27.36`	`Zanix\|away`	`ill be back alter`
`22:27.44`	`Zanix\|away`	`s/alter/later/`
`22:29.13`	`Anaxent`	`Chris\|AFK, what about your ajax class you had made`
`22:29.22`	`Anaxent`	`are you adding that to the packaged version`
`22:36.39`	`Matt_Miller`	`im done with my initial cleanup, does anyone see any problems @ http://www.wowroster.net/addon_repository/?o=help`
`22:37.14`	`PleegWat`	`Looks good optically`
`22:37.19`	`PleegWat`	`Needs some work on the contents`
`22:37.32`	`Matt_Miller`	`hrmm`
`22:37.54`	`Matt_Miller`	`whats wrong with them`
`22:38.07`	`PleegWat`	`Load of specific wowace references`
`22:38.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`in the contents?`
`22:38.51`	`PleegWat`	`Well, I mean the entire text`
`22:39.03`	`PleegWat`	`Sry that was bad english for a moment`
`22:39.14`	`Matt_Miller`	`its CC 2.5 licensed`
`22:39.25`	`Matt_Miller`	`ill put the logo at the bottom`
`22:39.47`	`Matt_Miller`	`i copied the page and took out all the wowace stuff, where do you see wowace stuff`
`22:39.53`	`Matt_Miller`	`i cant even find the word ace...`
`22:40.22`	`PleegWat`	`lemme check better then`
`22:40.42`	`PleegWat`	`Well the first paragraph, the one with the exclamation mark, is specific to WIKI.`
`22:41.59`	`PleegWat`	`k sorry the rest is fine`
`22:42.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`good call`
`22:42.40`	`Matt_Miller`	`refresh plz`
`22:43.20`	`Anaxent`	`looks good`
`22:43.41`	`Anaxent`	`I read through it all and what u just fixed seems to be the last of ace stuff`
`22:43.49`	`Anaxent`	`from what I can tell`
`22:44.05`	`Matt_Miller`	`cool`
`22:45.02`	`Matt_Miller`	`thanks for proofreading it guys`
`22:45.34`	`Anaxent`	`well PleegWat was the only one with real proof that he read it`
`22:45.42`	`Matt_Miller`	`lol`
`22:45.55`	`Matt_Miller`	`its ready for production`
`22:46.02`	`Matt_Miller`	`or at least semi production`
`22:46.16`	`Matt_Miller`	`we can ease this into the community :)`
`22:47.28`	`Anaxent`	`yeah ease...it...in`
`22:50.18`	`PleegWat`	`yeah`
`22:55.30`	`Anaxent`	`so I know this is abit far off`
`22:55.47`	`Anaxent`	`but what are we planning on doing about forum intergration`
`22:56.26`	`Matt_Miller`	`if i had time i would make our own forums but ive been working on a whole CMS for my work lol`
`22:57.05`	`Anaxent`	`did you at one time start building a forum`
`22:57.11`	`Matt_Miller`	`yup`
`22:57.23`	`Matt_Miller`	`i havent worked on it lateley`
`22:57.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`someone can take over or scrap it cuz i wont be working on it anytime soon`
`22:57.39`	`Anaxent`	`depending on how far along it is I wonder if it would work out for us here`
`22:57.53`	`Anaxent`	`I hear you there time is always against us`
`22:58.54`	`PleegWat`	`meh, why would it be`
`22:59.11`	`PleegWat`	`1.7.2 is compatible with wow 2.0`
`22:59.12`	`Anaxent`	`?`
`22:59.24`	`Matt_Miller`	`it is?`
`22:59.36`	`Matt_Miller`	`when did this happen?!?!`
`22:59.38`	`Matt_Miller`	`j/k`
`22:59.58`	`PleegWat`	`Course, we can't take a year or more to develop R2`
`23:00.22`	`PleegWat`	`But I don't see any reason to stress ourselves to be done for the TBC release either`
`23:02.37`	`PleegWat`	`Going to bed. Night.`
`23:05.03`	`Matt_Miller`	`http://wowroster.net/Forums/viewtopic/p=11598.html#11598`
`23:05.05`	`Matt_Miller`	`night!`
`23:06.40`	`Anaxent`	`goodnight`
`23:13.14`	`Chris\|AFK`	`hola`
`23:13.22`	`Chris\|AFK`	`How did that release look, missing anything?`
`23:15.20`	`Anaxent`	`I have opened it and looked around but have nto installed it yet`
`23:15.33`	`Chris\|AFK`	`You want my ajax library?`
`23:15.35`	`Anaxent`	`I believe we have uploaded to the svn so we can start working`
`23:15.48`	`Anaxent`	`id like to see us use ajax yes`
`23:16.13`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I'll show you guys my ajax functions if you promise to keep the critique constructive = )`
`23:16.19`	`Chris\|AFK`	`as I am now web2.0 master or anything`
`23:16.35`	`Chris\|AFK`	`no *`
`23:16.38`	`Chris\|AFK`	`not now`
`23:16.46`	`Chris\|AFK`	`wish I was now a web 2.0 master, lol`
`23:16.59`	`Chris\|AFK`	`I am like <table>'s kinda guy still unfortunately`
`23:20.01`	`Chris\|AFK`	`haha not interested?`
`23:20.11`	`Chris\|AFK`	`it's so easy to make fun of my javascript skills is why ;p`
`23:21.05`	`Zanix\|away`	`lol`
`23:21.34`	`Zanix\|away`	`im sure pleeg would like to see what you have...I havent really looked into ajax stuff`
`23:23.18`	`Chris\|AFK`	`:P`
`23:23.22`	`Chris\|AFK`	`its actualy not THAT bad`
`23:23.34`	`Chris\|AFK`	`i had some major problems with it for a while though`
`23:23.43`	`Chris\|AFK`	`needed a queue system.. ajax is very fussy and loves to lock browsers up`
`23:24.00`	`Chris\|AFK`	`http://cpframework.org/release/ajax.js`
`23:24.52`	`Chris\|AFK`	`it's usage is a tad easier then these huge javascript libraries`
`23:24.58`	`Chris\|AFK`	`those things confuse me`
`23:25.07`	`Chris\|AFK`	`gotta load 1 meg of raw text to make a div layer hide`
`23:25.30`	`Chris\|AFK`	`afk a sec`

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