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`01:00.25`	`*** join/#wowroster Orphis (n=Orphis@sop06-1-82-228-251-21.fbx.proxad.net)`
`01:00.33`	`Orphis`	`Hi`
`01:00.43`	`Orphis`	`I wonder`
`01:01.31`	`Orphis`	`Has anyone tried to make a localisation addon that finds strings that are not in the current roster locale (I mean game locale) and translate things ?`
`01:06.59`	`Zeryl\|Sleep`	`I don't know that that has been thought of`
`01:07.15`	`Zeryl\|Sleep`	`I know that we've thought of a "localization" app, that basically you could log in, and submit strings`
`01:07.25`	`Zeryl`	`but it would be a massive undertaking`
`01:08.22`	`Anaxent`	`hey hows it goign`
`01:08.36`	`Anaxent`	`yeah I havn't heard of anything like this as of yet`
`01:11.34`	`Orphis`	`Zeryl, well, it's not that hard for items`
`01:11.51`	`Orphis`	`I already have a full database with localized items`
`01:12.11`	`Orphis`	`One dumped from allakhazam`
`01:13.20`	`Orphis`	`And I really don't get how to download wowroster on the website, I keep going back to the select mirror page`
`01:14.48`	`Orphis`	`Oh finally... download in progress`
`01:46.24`	`Zeryl`	`yay, new ferocious bite crit - 1600`
`01:46.27`	`Zeryl`	`bah, 2600`
`02:09.09`	`Orphis`	`Broken feature spotted`
`02:09.15`	`Orphis`	`Let's check SVN...`
`02:10.26`	`Zeryl`	`what feature?`
`02:15.06`	`Orphis`	`add_value in wowdb.php`
`02:15.12`	`Orphis`	`You do :`
`02:15.19`	`Orphis`	`if( !is_numeric($row_data) )`
`02:15.43`	`Orphis`	`But hexa string are numeric strings`
`02:16.17`	`Zeryl`	`what's the $row_data? whats the query populating it?`
`02:16.22`	`Zeryl`	`i can't open zend due to wow right now`
`02:16.38`	`Orphis`	INSERT INTO `roster_realmstatus` SET `server_name` = 'Sargeras', `servertype` = 'JcJ', `servertypecolor` = 660D02, `serverstatus` = 'Up', `serverpop` = 'Faible', `serverpopcolor` = 234303, `timestamp` = 56
`02:16.49`	`Orphis`	`That's from realmstatus.php`
`02:17.08`	`Orphis`	The request doesn't work well because of : `servertypecolor` = 660D02
`02:17.25`	`Orphis`	`660D02 is not numeric for mysql but it is for php`
`02:17.25`	`Zeryl`	`that's not numeric though I don't believe, that is alphanumeric`
`02:17.37`	`Zeryl`	`is numeric saying a difference in pvp/pve?`
`02:17.40`	`Orphis`	`http://www.php.net/is_numeric`
`02:18.13`	`Orphis`	`It says "Hexadecimal notation (0xFF) is allowed too but only without sign, decimal and exponential part."`
`02:18.42`	`Orphis`	`then is_numeric("FFFFFF") is true`
`02:18.57`	`Orphis`	`And the string is not quoted in the sql request`
`02:19.04`	`Zanix`	`add_value in wowdb.php checks if a number is numeric for insertion into mysql`
`02:19.04`	`Orphis`	`And mysql refuses it`
`02:19.12`	`Zanix`	`yeah, it would in this case`
`02:19.29`	`Zanix`	`since that function wont wrap quotes around that number`
`02:19.37`	`Orphis`	`Yes`
`02:20.00`	`Orphis`	`And it will crash everytime you "add_value" some string only composed of hexa digits`
`02:20.31`	`Zanix`	`i dont think it will crash, just the sql wont be inserted...which is just as bad`
`02:20.38`	`Orphis`	`The correct function is ctype_digit`
`02:20.54`	`Orphis`	`Well if there is "do sql or die..."`
`02:21.03`	`Orphis`	`It's like crashing :p`
`02:21.11`	`Zanix`	`i dont think there is in realmstatus`
`02:21.30`	`Zanix`	`yeah, there is`
`02:21.33`	`Zanix`	`dang`
`02:21.35`	`Orphis`	`There is $wowdb->query($querystr) or die($wowdb->error());`
`02:21.56`	`Zanix`	`yeah, i just seen it`
`02:22.02`	`Zeryl`	`ctype_digit is great, however it's not necessarily compiled into php`
`02:22.56`	`Zanix`	`i think it's safe to wrap numbers in quotes for mysql isnt it?`
`02:23.03`	`Zeryl`	`ya`
`02:23.12`	`Orphis`	`it is`
`02:26.10`	`Zanix`	`or when 1.8 is released, we'll have a new db layer and this will be solved`
`02:27.01`	`Zeryl`	`what are we moving to zanix!?`
`02:27.01`	`Orphis`	`Fine ^^`
`02:27.34`	`Orphis`	`Oh, I haven't seen I was talking to two people :P`
`02:27.38`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`02:27.47`	`Zanix`	`i know our names are similar`
`02:27.57`	`Zanix`	`im not entirely sure Zeryl`
`02:28.02`	`Zeryl`	`anax, who has been here forever, still does it :P`
`02:28.11`	`Zeryl`	`i still think moving to adodb would be the best`
`02:28.16`	`Zanix`	`which ever db layer that can be used without extra libraries`
`02:28.23`	`Zeryl`	`there isn't one`
`02:28.42`	`Zeryl`	`ALL of them require a library`
`02:28.42`	`Zanix`	`like pear and such`
`02:28.42`	`Zeryl`	`pear isn't necessarily installed`
`02:28.44`	`Zeryl`	`i don't believe`
`02:28.48`	`Zanix`	`exactly`
`02:28.49`	`Orphis`	`Well, you could just include adodb lib in wowroster`
`02:29.01`	`Zanix`	`i dont wanna add more bloat than we need`
`02:29.07`	`Zanix`	`we are already at 6mb`
`02:29.14`	`Zanix`	`not including the image pack`
`02:29.23`	`Orphis`	`Really ?!`
`02:29.26`	`Zanix`	`i think so`
`02:29.27`	`Zeryl`	`bah :(`
`02:29.29`	`Zanix`	`maybe 4`
`02:29.34`	`Zeryl`	`we need to re-write everything`
`02:29.40`	`Orphis`	`3.20`
`02:29.55`	`Orphis`	`Rewrite what exactly ?`
`02:30.11`	`Zanix`	`the entirety of Roster`
`02:30.18`	`Zeryl`	`ya`
`02:30.35`	`Zanix`	`localization is crap, db storage is crap`
`02:30.46`	`Zanix`	`addon framework is shaky at best`
`02:30.49`	`Orphis`	`And, does your roster support hosting many guilds ?`
`02:30.58`	`Zanix`	`...that too`
`02:30.58`	`Zeryl`	`if we do a re-write, we need to move to m4 localization`
`02:31.06`	`Zanix`	`only supports one guild, and HAS to be a guild`
`02:31.18`	`Zeryl`	`or whatever the i18n standard is`
`02:31.26`	`Zeryl`	`and xhtml complaint, lol`
`02:31.28`	`Zeryl`	`compliant*`
`02:31.32`	`Zeryl`	`oh wait, we already are, lol`
`02:31.33`	`Zanix`	`the problem is that we only have 4 active devs`
`02:31.33`	`Orphis`	`gettext ftw !`
`02:31.47`	`Zeryl`	`ya, gettext`
`02:31.58`	`Orphis`	`Well I know some people interested in improving the roster`
`02:32.22`	`Zanix`	`what we need is a re-write of the dev group`
`02:32.27`	`Orphis`	`They are expert (means more experienced than you could dream) devs`
`02:32.31`	`Zeryl`	`noo, i just got here :(`
`02:32.50`	`Zanix`	`i dont wanna become obsolete`
`02:32.52`	`Zanix`	`:(`
`02:33.05`	`Orphis`	`But they don't have much time`
`02:33.10`	`Orphis`	`^_^`
`02:33.32`	`Zanix`	`i just re-wrote UniAdmin`
`02:33.41`	`Zanix`	`that I feel good about`
`02:33.48`	`Orphis`	`They're not php experts though but, php is just like any other programming language in some context`
`02:33.57`	`Orphis`	`Hmm...`
`02:34.06`	`Orphis`	`What are UniAdmin features ? :P`
`02:34.10`	`Zeryl`	`only issue with that is having to re-write code`
`02:34.55`	`Orphis`	`UniAdmin is just an updater for the roster ?`
`02:34.58`	`Zanix`	`its a addon and setting sync for UniUploader`
`02:35.15`	`Zanix`	`UniUploader management tool`
`02:35.30`	`Orphis`	`I have to try it...`
`02:35.41`	`Orphis`	`I was already deving some addon sync program`
`02:35.55`	`Zeryl`	`i got one for ace addons :0`
`02:39.32`	`Orphis`	`Damn`
`02:39.42`	`Orphis`	`I was reinventing the wheel`
`02:39.45`	`Zanix`	`damn?`
`02:40.06`	`Zanix`	`ah, is that so bad?`
`02:40.06`	`Orphis`	`There's already a Mod management program`
`02:40.15`	`Zanix`	`there's alot of them`
`02:40.22`	`Orphis`	`"But mine will be better !"`
`02:40.26`	`Orphis`	`Really ?`
`02:40.34`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`02:40.49`	`Zanix`	`yeah, UI central from worldofwar.net`
`02:41.09`	`Zanix`	`then on that site somewhere there is a local management tool`
`02:41.16`	`Zanix`	`quite a few I believe`
`02:42.54`	`Orphis`	`Phew, I'll finish mine then`
`02:43.06`	`Orphis`	`And mine should be portable`
`02:43.21`	`Zanix`	`let us know when its finished`
`02:43.26`	`Orphis`	`Of course`
`02:43.52`	`Orphis`	`I currently have the XML layer done, download of configurations done`
`02:44.00`	`Orphis`	`Some GUI done`
`02:44.00`	`Zanix`	`i do have to admit, we need help with Roster`
`02:44.03`	`Zanix`	`cool`
`02:44.29`	`Orphis`	`But there's no real mod updating logic right now ^^`
`02:44.42`	`Zanix`	`sounds like you got alot done already`
`02:44.43`	`Orphis`	`What lib do you use to unpack zip files ?`
`02:44.50`	`Zanix`	`in UniAdmin?`
`02:45.08`	`Orphis`	`In any programming language :p`
`02:45.17`	`Orphis`	`I don't know what you've used`
`02:45.36`	`Zanix`	`well, on my windows machine it's winrar`
`02:45.44`	`Orphis`	`And for UniUploader for example`
`02:45.47`	`Zanix`	`for UniAdmin I used PclZip`
`02:46.08`	`Zanix`	`i dont know about UniUploader, you would have to ask Matt`
`02:46.36`	`Orphis`	`So, UniAdmin sets up lists of mods`
`02:46.41`	`Zanix`	`PclZip is a php only zip library`
`02:46.44`	`Orphis`	`And UniUploader downloads them`
`02:46.47`	`Zanix`	`i can show you a demo site`
`02:46.57`	`Zanix`	`http://cvsroster.homeip.net/uniadmin/branches/071/html/`
`02:46.58`	`Orphis`	`I've already googled pclzip ^^`
`02:47.29`	`Zanix`	`user : pass`
`02:47.30`	`Zanix`	`admin : c`
`02:51.02`	`Zeryl`	`what would you call the magic trick when the chick is split in three in the box that stands up? i want to figure out how to do it`
`02:51.05`	`Zeryl`	`i'm curious`
`02:52.34`	`Orphis`	`Ah ah`
`02:52.53`	`Zanix`	`"deadly"`
`02:53.10`	`Orphis`	`There's a trick that the girl isn't standing`
`02:54.15`	`Orphis`	`She isn't standing and there's something hidden for her to lay`
`02:56.15`	`Zeryl`	`well, in this trick, there's no spot to lay`
`02:56.33`	`Zeryl`	`I know most illusions, i just can't grasp this one, and it's probably the most common (or close to it)`
`02:56.38`	`Orphis`	`Have you seen what's behind the black box ?`
`02:56.47`	`Zeryl`	`ya, they spin it`
`02:57.36`	`Orphis`	`So it's like they've opened the top part to see the head, the bottom part to see the legs but you don't see were the chest is`
`02:57.43`	`Zeryl`	`ya, that one`
`02:57.48`	`Orphis`	`It's maybe some mirror trick`
`03:00.53`	`Zanix`	`so, what do you think of UniAdmin Orphis?`
`03:01.01`	`Orphis`	`It's interesting`
`03:01.07`	`Zanix`	`if I had an older versin to show you, I would....`
`03:01.25`	`Zanix`	`its not adavanced by any means, but it get the job done`
`03:01.36`	`Zanix`	`its also build around UniUploader`
`03:01.53`	`Orphis`	`But I think it's more interesting in uploading some zip file somewhere and let the updater find them`
`03:01.54`	`Zanix`	`which kinda limits it..for now anyway`
`03:02.50`	`Orphis`	`Except for reading the version from the toc file, you don't really need to open the zip file`
`03:03.34`	`Orphis`	`How is the protocol between uniuploader and admin ?`
`03:03.41`	`Zanix`	`xml`
`03:03.43`	`Orphis`	`What is the "contact" URL ?`
`03:03.50`	`Zanix`	`contact?`
`03:03.59`	`Orphis`	`The one that outputs XML ^^`
`03:04.10`	`Zanix`	`it's higlighted in read`
`03:04.14`	`Zanix`	`*red`
`03:04.20`	`Zanix`	`http://cvsroster.homeip.net/uniadmin/branches/071/html/?p=interface`
`03:04.31`	`Zanix`	`you do have to pas certain parameters to get output`
`03:04.43`	`Orphis`	`I only get : UniUploader Update Interface Ready...`
`03:04.49`	`Orphis`	`I don't see the XML`
`03:04.51`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`03:04.58`	`Zanix`	`as i said, you have to pass parmeters`
`03:04.59`	`Orphis`	`What are the parameters ?`
`03:05.07`	`Zanix`	`OPERATION=GETADDONLIST`
`03:05.14`	`Zanix`	`OPERATION=GETUAVER`
`03:05.23`	`Zanix`	`OPERATION=GETSETTINGS`
`03:06.00`	`Zanix`	`it doesnt have a doc type because older versions of UniUploader will choke on it`
`03:06.23`	`Orphis`	`Ok`
`03:06.56`	`Orphis`	`I see...`
`03:07.16`	`Orphis`	`Well, my XML is a little different`
`03:07.49`	`Zanix`	`yeah, this is all for backwards compatibility`
`03:07.59`	`Zanix`	`how much different, im curious`
`03:08.05`	`Orphis`	`http://orphis.myftp.org:2907/modlist.txt`
`03:08.07`	`Orphis`	`http://orphis.myftp.org:2907/modlist2.txt`
`03:08.24`	`Orphis`	`In fact all the data is in the XML file`
`03:08.29`	`Zanix`	`yeah, much`
`03:08.42`	`Orphis`	`The first one is just to test indirection ^^`
`03:09.11`	`Zanix`	`i took over UniAdmin from Matt`
`03:09.29`	`Zanix`	`since he's in mostly a vacation state`
`03:09.34`	`Orphis`	`Ok`
`03:09.58`	`Zanix`	`and UniAdmin does output everything in XML`
`03:10.03`	`Zanix`	`which sucks`
`03:10.10`	`Zanix`	`the only xml output is the addons`
`03:10.14`	`Orphis`	`My thought when doing the XML schema is that you don't need single addon but you need some configuration depending on what you're doing`
`03:10.28`	`Zeryl`	`i'm learning, extremly well btw, xml creation in php`
`03:10.35`	`Zeryl`	`and creating a few functions to make it ez`
`03:11.01`	`Zanix`	`well, I have to go...tonight is the night I hang out with the girlfriend`
`03:11.08`	`Zeryl`	`:(`
`03:11.08`	`Zanix`	`already spent too long here`
`03:11.09`	`Zeryl`	`bah`
`03:11.11`	`Zanix`	`:(`
`03:11.13`	`Zanix`	`yeah`
`03:11.17`	`Orphis`	`And then, the administrator is just managing some configuration : base (ctraid, ktm...) and some extended configuration like "healer" (decursive...)`
`03:11.20`	`Zeryl`	`lol, alright, catch ya later then :0`
`03:11.29`	`Zanix`	`Orphis, stick around`
`03:11.37`	`Orphis`	`I have to go too, it's 4am for me...`
`03:11.40`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`03:11.52`	`Zanix`	`i dont mean stay on, i mean stick around, lke`
`03:11.54`	`Zanix`	`uh`
`03:11.54`	`Zeryl`	`when you gonna be back zanix, i'll try to stay up, got a few ideas for a re-write`
`03:12.01`	`Zeryl`	`he means, come back :)`
`03:12.05`	`Orphis`	`Well don't worry, I have a life, but lessons starts at 14pm today :p`
`03:12.09`	`Zanix`	`have you read my outline for R2?`
`03:12.22`	`Orphis`	`I think I'll stick around`
`03:12.22`	`Zeryl`	`not lately`
`03:12.39`	`Zanix`	`cool, it's nice to have smart people around`
`03:12.54`	`Orphis`	`Yeah, I'm smart !! :P`
`03:12.58`	`Zanix`	`Zeryl: http://www.wowroster.net/Forums/viewtopic/t=314.html`
`03:13.15`	`Zeryl`	`new avatar, nice zanix :)`
`03:13.20`	`Zanix`	`yeah, i like it`
`03:13.30`	`Orphis`	`BTW, are you all americans ?`
`03:13.45`	`Zanix`	`i am, pleegwat is form....`
`03:13.52`	`Zanix`	`uh, I cant remember :s`
`03:14.07`	`Zanix`	`anthonyB is from Australia`
`03:14.16`	`Orphis`	`Netherlands`
`03:14.17`	`Zanix`	`matt is from US, new york`
`03:14.21`	`Zeryl`	`i'm abandoning missing recipes for now zanix`
`03:14.26`	`Zanix`	`thats ok`
`03:14.33`	`Zeryl`	`i'll pick it back up after we hash out R2 and start on it`
`03:14.37`	`Zeryl`	`or after BC`
`03:14.43`	`Zeryl`	`sicne we have alot to do until then`
`03:14.49`	`Zanix`	`yes we do`
`03:14.52`	`Orphis`	`Do you have beta keys for BC ?`
`03:14.56`	`Zanix`	`i wish`
`03:15.03`	`Zanix`	`none of us have one :(`
`03:15.09`	`Orphis`	`not true`
`03:15.21`	`Zanix`	`well, us devs`
`03:15.28`	`Orphis`	`Well it is if you're not including me ^^`
`03:15.53`	`Orphis`	`If you want me to test a few things in BC, let me know`
`03:15.54`	`Zanix`	`on this question, no`
`03:16.01`	`Zanix`	`i have nothing to test`
`03:16.08`	`Zanix`	`as of right now`
`03:16.11`	`Zeryl`	`no, 1.13 will be our test grounds`
`03:16.21`	`Zeryl`	`that's where all the changes besides outland will happen`
`03:16.21`	`Zanix`	`if CharacterProfiler works in BC`
`03:16.24`	`Orphis`	`I won't be exactly like BC`
`03:16.41`	`Orphis`	`Well, it surely is being debugged right know`
`03:16.49`	`Zeryl`	`all of the interface changes are coming in 1.13`
`03:16.58`	`Zeryl`	`all the talents are coming`
`03:17.19`	`Orphis`	`But I don't really see what could make wowroster not working for BC besides talents`
`03:17.36`	`Zeryl`	`all the stat changes`
`03:17.55`	`Orphis`	`Well there's the new stat window too with clear data : ranged, contact, magic...`
`03:18.26`	`Orphis`	`But it's not really big deal`
`03:18.33`	`Orphis`	`Only the new talents are`
`03:19.02`	`Zeryl`	`right, but that's one of the main things in wowroster, stats`
`03:19.03`	`Zanix`	`i dont know for sure about the talents, Roster can usually handle changed there`
`03:19.05`	`Zeryl`	`we have to re-do ALOT`
`03:19.13`	`Zanix`	`yeah, we will`
`03:19.30`	`Zanix`	`:(`
`03:19.39`	`Orphis`	`Oh btw, what language have you programed uniuploader with ?`
`03:19.44`	`Orphis`	`C# ? C++ ? VB ?`
`03:19.50`	`Zanix`	`i...dont know`
`03:19.57`	`Zanix`	`I think its C#`
`03:20.04`	`Zeryl`	`it's .net`
`03:20.07`	`Zanix`	`youd have to ask matt`
`03:20.20`	`Zanix`	`i havent touched UniUploader`
`03:20.21`	`Zanix`	`anyway`
`03:20.24`	`Orphis`	`.Net doesn't mean it's C#`
`03:20.32`	`Zeryl`	`ya, all i know is .net ;P`
`03:20.37`	`Zanix`	`as I said, I have no clue , lol`
`03:20.45`	`Zanix`	`I better go now`
`03:20.50`	`Orphis`	`Where is the SVN hosting all the projects ?`
`03:20.52`	`Zanix`	`see you guys tomorrow?`
`03:21.00`	`Orphis`	`Well, is there a webinterface for the svn ?`
`03:21.09`	`Zanix`	`there is, but its not working`
`03:21.15`	`Orphis`	`Ok...`
`03:21.19`	`Zanix`	`it like to break`
`03:21.23`	`Zanix`	`*like`
`03:21.24`	`Zanix`	`likes`
`03:21.27`	`Zanix`	`gah`
`03:21.45`	`Zanix`	`as for SVN access, we had to lock it down`
`03:22.04`	`Orphis`	`To much stress on the server with public access ?`
`03:22.13`	`Zanix`	`mainly because we were not organized, and people missmatched SVN files with release files`
`03:22.23`	`Orphis`	`Ok ^^`
`03:22.35`	`Zanix`	`which broke them, then the cried to us for help`
`03:22.43`	`Zanix`	`we couldnt handle it`
`03:22.48`	`Zanix`	`so we locked it out`
`03:22.56`	`Zanix`	`we are alot better orgainized now`
`03:23.06`	`Orphis`	`It seems like you are`
`03:23.17`	`Zanix`	`the main trunk is runable and should stay that way`
`03:23.28`	`Orphis`	`The only problem I see is the website with different domain names`
`03:23.35`	`Zanix`	`that is a huge pain`
`03:23.41`	`Orphis`	`You should redirect some domain to the other`
`03:24.13`	`Zanix`	`I havent gotten around to looking into that`
`03:24.38`	`Orphis`	`I think it can be done with Apache htaccess magic`
`03:25.02`	`Zanix`	`uh`
`03:25.13`	`Zanix`	`have you ever seen DF's htaccess file?`
`03:25.22`	`Orphis`	`DF ?`
`03:25.33`	`Zanix`	`dragonfly, the cms we use`
`03:25.34`	`Orphis`	`Oh no`
`03:25.54`	`Zanix`	`http://xent.homeip.net/pastebin/index.php?show=31`
`03:26.03`	`Orphis`	`But the htaccess they use is I think only the url rewrite`
`03:26.31`	`Zanix`	`# if you use LEO, mod_rewrite is necessary`
`03:26.44`	`Zanix`	`we use thatwhole part`
`03:27.03`	`Zanix`	`the GF is giving the eye`
`03:27.10`	`Zeryl`	`ok, come back later :)`
`03:27.11`	`Zanix`	`so see you tomorrow`
`03:27.16`	`Zanix`	`maybe tonight`
`03:27.38`	`Orphis`	`Bye bye`
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`06:41.07`	`Craxton`	`hey ho`
`06:41.12`	`Craxton`	`someone there`
`06:45.23`	`Craxton`	`hmmm`
`06:45.31`	`Craxton`	`noone there :(`
`06:45.44`	`Craxton`	`:banana`
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`08:17.07`	`Zanix`	`im here....now`
`08:17.19`	`Zanix`	`Craxton, if you are still here`
`08:35.46`	`Craxton`	`hiho`
`08:35.50`	`PleegWat`	`hi`
`08:35.51`	`Craxton`	`sry was away`
`08:35.59`	`Craxton`	`i got a BIG PROBLEM`
`08:36.06`	`PleegWat`	`do tell`
`08:36.15`	`Craxton`	`i hope someone of admins can help`
`08:36.24`	`Craxton`	`my wowroster account got hacked`
`08:36.49`	`PleegWat`	`ew`
`08:36.58`	`PleegWat`	`and now you can't get in?`
`08:37.07`	`PleegWat`	`Can you still access the DB?`
`08:37.16`	`Craxton`	`yeah but i mean the wowroster.net account`
`08:37.16`	`Craxton`	`^^`
`08:37.19`	`PleegWat`	`oh`
`08:37.21`	`Craxton`	`my roster is save`
`08:37.24`	`PleegWat`	`thought your roster install`
`08:37.26`	`Craxton`	`:P`
`08:37.37`	`Craxton`	`^^`
`08:37.42`	`PleegWat`	`You'll need zanix for that, or mathos`
`08:37.46`	`PleegWat`	`I don't have admin`
`08:37.50`	`Craxton`	`i knwo`
`08:38.05`	`Craxton`	`but i cannot reach them`
`08:38.07`	`Craxton`	`^^`
`08:38.07`	`Zanix`	`???, hacked you say?`
`08:38.13`	`Craxton`	`i think so`
`08:38.32`	`Craxton`	`i am not a guy who forgot his passwords`
`08:38.47`	`Craxton`	`kinda scriptkiddie want nerv me`
`08:38.51`	`Zanix`	`well, i can reset it`
`08:39.06`	`PleegWat`	`hm, can't you tell it to send you the pass`
`08:39.10`	`Craxton`	`i think my email adress is change too`
`08:39.11`	`PleegWat`	`or don't you have the email configured?`
`08:39.18`	`Zanix`	`i dunno why anyone would like to hack an account here`
`08:39.30`	`Craxton`	`i have a password recover request send but get no pw`
`08:39.37`	`Zanix`	`whats your login?`
`08:39.40`	`Craxton`	`Craxton`
`08:39.42`	`Zanix`	`same as it is here on irc?`
`08:39.59`	`Craxton`	`email adress is gray_foxde@yahoo.de`
`08:40.02`	`Craxton`	`yepp`
`08:40.13`	`Zanix`	`says on the account that it is yille_69@hotmail.com`
`08:40.15`	`Craxton`	`and if email change pls tell me in what`
`08:40.31`	`Craxton`	`lol`
`08:40.53`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`zanix? I heard you are the webmaster? or do I remember wrong?`
`08:40.54`	`Craxton`	`reset it to gray_foxde.de and pls a new PW`
`08:41.11`	`Zanix`	`i seriously wonder what anyone would want to hack a wowroster.net account`
`08:41.23`	`Craxton`	`and pls gimme ip from user who change this`
`08:41.30`	`Zanix`	`i dont think I can`
`08:41.35`	`PleegWat`	`It doesn't log password changes does it?`
`08:41.36`	`Craxton`	`he is hacking me 12 accounts`
`08:41.40`	`Zanix`	`i dunno if it logs it`
`08:41.56`	`PleegWat`	`I think it stores what IPs the account is accessed from`
`08:42.01`	`Craxton`	`i think if u have good cms it is logged`
`08:42.08`	`Craxton`	`or so`
`08:42.12`	`Craxton`	`i need the ip`
`08:42.21`	`Craxton`	`ill get him pwned with law`
`08:42.25`	`PleegWat`	`I don't know what DF stores, never admined one`
`08:42.35`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`he is not allowed to give you the ip...`
`08:42.40`	`Craxton`	`lol`
`08:42.54`	`Zanix`	`i dont think I even could`
`08:42.57`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`due to data protection laws`
`08:43.10`	`Craxton`	`if i go to the german police it takes years to jail him`
`08:43.29`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`no, if you go to the german police, they won't care`
`08:43.49`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`Your action will be "eingestellt" by the "staatanwaltschaft"`
`08:43.57`	`Craxton`	`yeah yeah its 12th account that is hacked by this fucking scriptkiddy`
`08:44.02`	`Craxton`	`^^`
`08:44.29`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`anyway: Zanix, I wanted to ask if the download restrictions are there for any good reason as I am always pissed when I try to download to my webserver :)`
`08:44.37`	`Zanix`	`well, at least you have a email they used`
`08:44.39`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`craxton: Use secure passwords then...`
`08:45.08`	`Craxton`	`lol it was a person what i called friend he was at my PC`
`08:45.15`	`Zanix`	`can I email you the pass I reset it to?`
`08:45.28`	`Craxton`	`jo`
`08:45.37`	`Zanix`	`jo?`
`08:45.38`	`Craxton`	`gray_foxde@yahoo.de`
`08:45.44`	`Craxton`	`bring it there`
`08:45.45`	`Craxton`	`^^`
`08:45.47`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`craxton: If you know who he is, then you don't need the IP.....`
`08:46.09`	`Craxton`	`i know that is he but what i have to jail him`
`08:46.16`	`Craxton`	`my word against his word`
`08:46.36`	`Craxton`	`he have a private WoW server`
`08:46.50`	`Craxton`	`called Deep Thought or so`
`08:46.52`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`you have an illegal wow server, I see...`
`08:46.57`	`Craxton`	`not me`
`08:46.58`	`Craxton`	`^^`
`08:46.59`	`Craxton`	`he`
`08:47.12`	`Craxton`	`or u mean my mangos CMS??`
`08:47.21`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`zanix, did you see my question? :)`
`08:47.21`	`Craxton`	`then read the news`
`08:47.55`	`Zanix`	`ok, reset, and a new email going out`
`08:48.14`	`Craxton`	`thanks`
`08:48.15`	`Craxton`	`^^`
`08:48.52`	`Craxton`	`Zanix u know its possible to punish him with an email to blizzard coz he have a privat server??`
`08:49.05`	`PleegWat`	`btw zanix, dunno if you checked the svn yet, but I put a change in both versions so if debug mode is on it'll show full debug traces in die_quietly, and die on db errors`
`08:49.23`	`Zanix`	`i havent looked, but I saw that on here`
`08:49.53`	`Zanix`	`<[PUPPETS]Gonzo> anyway: Zanix, I wanted to ask if the download restrictions are there for any good reason as I am always pissed when I try to download to my webserver :)`
`08:50.03`	`Zanix`	`that question`
`08:50.05`	`Zanix`	`?`
`08:50.06`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`yes`
`08:50.58`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`is it the traffic? Or are you pissed by others, linking your downloads?`
`08:51.12`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`(sorry for bad / rude english)`
`08:51.15`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`08:51.40`	`Zanix`	`no, that's quite good ...american english, LoL`
`08:52.00`	`Craxton`	`rofl`
`08:52.07`	`Zanix`	`uhm, I don't exactly remember why it is this way`
`08:52.11`	`Zanix`	`maybe tradition`
`08:52.27`	`Craxton`	`every second word is fuck in realy good american english^^`
`08:52.28`	`Zanix`	`on the old site that used phpbb, we required registration`
`08:52.35`	`Zanix`	`...QFT`
`08:53.02`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`I have to download all files to my computer at home, start my ftp programm, search for the file, connect, search for the directory, etc...`
`08:53.13`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`instead of just "wget url" on the webserver`
`08:53.19`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`and I really hate it :)`
`08:53.27`	`Zanix`	`and the download process take too long because of the image verification?`
`08:53.31`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`so I wanted to ask, if you can turn it of`
`08:53.48`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`Its not just the image verification but also the login`
`08:54.03`	`Zanix`	`you dont need to log-in to download anymore`
`08:54.08`	`Zanix`	`at least you shouldnt`
`08:54.08`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`both hinder me to use wget`
`08:54.25`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`well, both are blocking 100% for me :)`
`08:54.47`	`Zanix`	`"Allow anonymous users to download" is set to yes`
`08:55.00`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`another idea by just turning it off would be, that I offer webspace for mirroring all your files`
`08:55.11`	`Zanix`	`can you try using it now?`
`08:55.17`	`Zanix`	`i just turned it off`
`08:55.19`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`one sec`
`08:55.54`	`Zanix`	`its still using the masking to download`
`08:55.58`	`Zanix`	`such as - http://www.wowroster.net/Downloads/get=72/mirror=250.html`
`08:56.33`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	09:56:20 (40.33 KB/s) - `id=359.html' saved [9527]
`08:56.53`	`Zanix`	`so, its saving the html file?`
`08:56.58`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`<div class="table1"><center>Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment<br />`
`08:57.07`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`yes. I tried to download an attachment`
`08:57.16`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`wget "http://wowroster.net/Forums/download/id=359.html"`
`08:57.34`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`its the public roster 1.71 from Ulminia`
`08:57.51`	`Zanix`	`oh those, the forum downloads?`
`08:58.09`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`Well, both. Sorry for being unclear`
`08:58.26`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`I thought they use the same "engine"`
`08:58.32`	`Zanix`	`i dont think that can be cahnged`
`08:58.57`	`Zanix`	`the url masking that is`
`08:59.18`	`Zanix`	`try one form the downloads page`
`08:59.22`	`Zanix`	`*area`
`09:01.01`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`http://wowroster.net/Downloads/get=8/mirror=218.html`
`09:01.18`	`Zanix`	`does it work?`
`09:01.47`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`no, I get a html file, one sec`
`09:02.14`	`PleegWat`	`When I open it in browser I get the download info page for that download`
`09:02.46`	`Zanix`	`i get the download`
`09:02.53`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`when I open the URL in my browser, I get the download`
`09:03.11`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`even if I logout`
`09:03.12`	`Zanix`	`oh wait, in Ie it opens the download page`
`09:03.32`	`Zanix`	`"Use anti-leech on files"`
`09:03.38`	`Zanix`	`for the downloads area`
`09:04.09`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`lynx and wget show the file details page`
`09:04.16`	`Zanix`	`try again`
`09:04.28`	`Zanix`	`i just found that ati-leech setting`
`09:04.47`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`still the same`
`09:04.51`	`Zanix`	`its still doing it`
`09:05.02`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`it redirects me to id=8 and strips the mirror part`
`09:05.27`	`Zanix`	`it's gotta be the module`
`09:05.27`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`damn, I did not want to cause so much trouble :-\|`
`09:05.29`	`Zanix`	`or DF`
`09:05.34`	`Zanix`	`it's ok`
`09:06.02`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`is it possible for your CMS to automatically upload files to a mirror?`
`09:06.13`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`or maybe rsync files and auto-add them?`
`09:06.24`	`Zanix`	`i dont know`
`09:06.29`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`in this case I could offer a german mirror for your files`
`09:06.54`	`Zanix`	`that would be nice`
`09:07.51`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`just tell / contact me, if you are interested in any way`
`09:07.59`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`I am Glenmorangie in your forums`
`09:08.21`	`Zanix`	`where would you be hosting them at?`
`09:08.32`	`Zanix`	`out of curiotisy`
`09:08.50`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`I own two root servers`
`09:08.56`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`actually they are my own hardware`
`09:09.06`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`one is used for gameservers, one for "the rest"`
`09:09.25`	`Zanix`	`cool`
`09:09.27`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`I could setup normal webhosting for files or if needed I could setup a vserver`
`09:10.04`	`Zanix`	`i dont see a setting to upload to a mirror`
`09:10.18`	`Zanix`	`i see manual entries for mirrors, but nothing automatic`
`09:12.30`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`maybe we could hack this into the code`
`09:12.43`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`e.g. "rsync / scp the file on upload and add mirror"`
`09:14.32`	`Zanix`	`maybe`
`09:17.13`	`Zanix`	`man, i need to go to bed`
`09:17.26`	`Zanix`	`i am more than willing to talk about this`
`09:17.53`	`Zanix`	`i dont think that we have any bandwidth issues, but it would be nice to offer alternative download sites`
`09:19.45`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`just think about it and a way to implement it`
`09:19.54`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`I am willing to offer any help I can offer`
`09:20.13`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`my offer is open, no need to hurry, maybe you should get your sleep now ;)`
`09:25.19`	`Zanix`	`yes, definatly`
`09:25.34`	`Zanix`	`lol`
`09:25.40`	`Zanix`	`yep, definatly need sleep`
`09:25.48`	`Zanix\|away`	`later guys`
`09:38.37`	`[PUPPETS]Gonzo`	`baba`
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`15:37.05`	`Zeryl`	`hello all`
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`16:32.35`	`Zeryl`	`hi polo`
`16:32.53`	`PoloDude`	`hey Zeryl :)`
`16:33.00`	`Zeryl`	`how's it hangin?`
`16:34.18`	`PoloDude`	`good good, real bussy lately though :s`
`16:34.21`	`Zeryl`	`i hear you`
`16:36.14`	`PoloDude`	`:)`
`16:36.30`	`PoloDude`	`and now i'm trying to download windows vista RC2 :/`
`16:39.10`	`PoloDude`	`do you see this site btw? http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/`
`16:44.20`	`Zeryl`	`i haven't seen that yet`
`16:44.47`	`Zeryl`	`nice though, all drivers in one place (or mostly)`
`16:46.57`	`Zeryl`	`ohh, nice, it offers customizable drivers`
`16:50.22`	`Zeryl`	`i would like to update my video drivers, but I can't :(`
`16:50.41`	`Zeryl`	`stupid MSI card doesn't accept standard NVidia drivers (well it does, but I can't use 1440x900 with them)`
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`16:52.24`	`Zeryl`	`hi warla`
`16:53.45`	`Zeryl`	`i really need to work on the keys page`
`17:00.09`	`Zeryl`	`man, i'm so lost in this code (not so much lost, just trying to figure out what variables mean)`
`17:15.37`	`Orphys`	`Zeryl, Nvidia drivers doesn't work with the Go geforce series`
`17:33.17`	`PoloDude`	`go Zeryl ^^`
`17:33.23`	`Zeryl`	`huh?`
`17:33.27`	`PoloDude`	`Itemsets :p`
`17:33.30`	`Zeryl`	`oh, lol`
`17:33.33`	`Zeryl`	`you saw that already :P`
`17:33.38`	`PoloDude`	`he's friend of mine :p`
`17:33.41`	`Zeryl`	`ahh`
`17:33.45`	`PoloDude`	`and he asked me yesterday`
`17:33.47`	`Zeryl`	`i don't know how I am gonna do it, but i'm gonna try it`
`17:34.10`	`PoloDude`	`but still not figured out how i can only display one of the items, don't want to display all 3`
`17:34.35`	`PoloDude`	`i did make an improvement of the ZG items`
`17:35.02`	`PoloDude`	`http://roster.thesmoulderingforge.com/addon.php?roster_addon_name=ItemSets&tierselect=ZG&classfilter=`
`17:35.30`	`PoloDude`	`replaced those empty items with N/A`
`17:35.36`	`PoloDude`	`much cleaner imo`
`17:36.05`	`PoloDude`	`but i'm still waiting on de and fr translations for ony, ppl don't seem to want it :p`
`17:36.28`	`Zeryl`	`i don't know if this will fit in the current framework :(`
`17:37.55`	`PoloDude`	`ye i know :(`
`17:38.08`	`PoloDude`	`i was wondering if i can query for a part of the item name`
`17:38.21`	`PoloDude`	`cause only the last word is different it seems`
`17:39.37`	`PoloDude`	`i'm afk now, need to go to the shop`
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`17:58.09`	`Zeryl`	`Polo - got ZG stuff workign :)`
`17:58.11`	`Zeryl`	`working*`
`18:14.02`	`Zeryl`	`onyxia is in`
`18:14.14`	`Zeryl`	`I have an issue though, i'm setting them to the "default raid role" which sucks`
`18:14.45`	`PoloDude`	`back`
`18:14.51`	`PoloDude`	`you got it working? :)`
`18:14.54`	`Zeryl`	`http://www.convictionofsuramar.com/roster/addon.php?roster_addon_name=ItemSets&tierselect&classfilter`
`18:15.00`	`Zeryl`	`working-ish`
`18:15.10`	`Zeryl`	`it's actually just like 3-4 changes`
`18:16.02`	`PoloDude`	`nice`
`18:16.12`	`PoloDude`	`so can do the same for ZG?`
`18:16.36`	`PoloDude`	`hunter gets an empty tooltip though :p`
`18:16.50`	`Zeryl`	`zg is done, check it out`
`18:16.54`	`Zeryl`	`in the drop-down`
`18:17.34`	`PoloDude`	`nice, but why do all other options give ony? :s`
`18:17.43`	`Zeryl`	`what.....`
`18:17.59`	`Zeryl`	`dammit`
`18:18.18`	`PoloDude`	`ah no, dungeon 1,2 and tier 1,2`
`18:18.33`	`Zeryl`	`fixed`
`18:18.56`	`Zeryl`	`i accidently had something doubled up`
`18:19.08`	`Zeryl`	`it's definetly a "hack" to say the least`
`18:19.26`	`PoloDude`	`ah :) but isn't it possible to add that row to the ZG list? :p`
`18:19.41`	`Zeryl`	`possibly`
`18:19.42`	`Zeryl`	`maybe`
`18:19.45`	`Zeryl`	`probably`
`18:19.53`	`PoloDude`	`hehe`
`18:20.00`	`PoloDude`	`i'll send you my version, sec`
`18:20.21`	`Zeryl`	`hey, we need to get your addon compliant :)`
`18:20.26`	`Zeryl`	`shouldn't take too much`
`18:20.44`	`*** mode/#wowroster [+o Zanix_] by Zeryl`
`18:21.18`	`Zeryl`	`have you started on doing it already?`
`18:21.32`	`PoloDude`	`give me sec`
`18:21.34`	`PoloDude`	`brb`
`18:21.37`	`Zeryl`	`ok`
`18:21.41`	`*** join/#wowroster PoloDude (n=PoloDude@d54C0A3D8.access.telenet.be)`
`18:21.41`	`*** mode/#wowroster [+v PoloDude] by ChanServ`
`18:21.46`	`Zeryl`	`wb, lol`
`18:22.23`	`Zeryl`	`now i gotta find where it saved this....`
`18:23.19`	`Zeryl`	`so that works then?`
`18:23.33`	`PoloDude`	`you got it?`
`18:23.38`	`Zeryl`	`ya, it transfered`
`18:25.31`	`PoloDude`	`ah cool`
`18:27.25`	`*** join/#wowroster Orphis (n=Orphis@82.228.251.21)`
`18:29.05`	`Zeryl`	`polo, do you mind waiting on doing anymore work`
`18:36.04`	`PoloDude`	`no i'll wait :)`
`18:36.15`	`PoloDude`	`gf supprised me anyway by coming over here :D`
`18:36.19`	`Zeryl`	`i want to try to get it ready for certification, if you don't mind`
`18:36.24`	`PoloDude`	`watching lost 2 now :)`
`18:36.33`	`PoloDude`	`no go ahead m8 :)`
`18:38.25`	`PleegWat`	`Can someone kick our webserver? It isn't producing any pages`
`18:39.20`	`Zeryl`	`:(`
`18:39.36`	`Zeryl`	`Hey pleeg, i may have an enterprise DB designer coming on board for helping w/ our next re-write of roster`
`18:40.32`	`PleegWat`	`All help is welcome`
`18:41.48`	`Zeryl`	`it would free us up from dealing with that aspect of it`
`18:41.56`	`Zeryl`	`and he rights pure transact sql I believe`
`18:42.41`	`PleegWat`	`Everything has advantages and disadvantages`
`18:42.51`	`PleegWat`	`Transactional support means a slower DB system`
`18:42.57`	`PleegWat`	`And we don't need transactions`
`18:43.22`	`Zeryl`	`nono, pure sql, not proprietary ( i thought that was transact, lol)`
`18:43.40`	`Zeryl`	`I coulda swore that's what I was told portable SQL was :(`
`18:44.01`	`PleegWat`	`Hm, don't think we use anything that's proprietary to mysql`
`18:44.20`	`PleegWat`	`Just lower mysql don't support everything prescribed by the SQL standards`
`18:44.38`	`PleegWat`	`s/mysql/mysql versions/`
`18:47.04`	`PleegWat`	`I think the only bit of proprietary SQL is in the professions fix I wrote for 1.8`
`18:47.14`	`PleegWat`	`And that one halved the page creation time`
`18:47.23`	`Zeryl`	`ahh`
`18:48.50`	`PleegWat`	`Basically the problem with SQL is the other way around from HTML`
`18:49.08`	`Zeryl`	`?`
`18:49.10`	`PleegWat`	`With HTML the standard is fairly limited, so browser producers add things on to allow more functionality`
`18:49.52`	`PleegWat`	`The SQL standard is very extensive, describing functions and language structures that aren't used very often. So database producers don't support all SQL possibilities`
`18:50.16`	`PleegWat`	`For example MySQL lower than 4.1.0 doesn't support subqueries, which have been in the standard since the beginning.`
`18:50.18`	`Zeryl`	`maybe one day standards will mean something :(`
`18:50.23`	`Zeryl`	`wow, realyl?`
`18:50.29`	`Zeryl`	`i didn't know it didn't support it`
`18:51.56`	`PleegWat`	`With older mysql versions you had to workaround by explicitly creating a temporary table`
`18:52.33`	`PleegWat`	`Starting 4.1 it still needs a temporarly table to process a subquery but it's handled by the query parser, and you don't have to instruct it to create the temporary table yourself.`
`18:53.25`	`Zeryl`	`:(`
`18:53.38`	`Zeryl`	`i guess it HALF WAY makes sense....`
`18:55.24`	`Zeryl`	`so i've got an addon idea for 1.12`
`18:55.26`	`Zeryl`	`ermm, 1.13`
`18:56.12`	`PleegWat`	`you mean WoW 2.0?`
`18:56.17`	`PleegWat`	`there is no wow 1.13`
`18:56.38`	`Zeryl`	`ya, i was just corrected, :(`
`18:57.02`	`PleegWat`	`Anyway what's the idea?`
`18:57.40`	`Zeryl`	`well, since hot's will stack, i was thinking something like decursive, where you could spam a button, and it would go through the tanks, and re-hot them`
`18:57.51`	`PleegWat`	`Impossible`
`18:57.58`	`PleegWat`	`LUA functions can't target`
`18:58.02`	`PleegWat`	`in 2.0`
`18:58.11`	`Zeryl`	`i know, i thought it was going to be 1.13, not 2.0`
`18:58.40`	`PleegWat`	`It's 2.0 because it contains everything in BC that also affects non-XP players`
`18:59.22`	`PleegWat`	`It's the accompanying patch to the expansion release. They delayed the expansion pack itself but not the accompanying patch`
`19:33.20`	`*** join/#wowroster Warla\|school (i=Darky28@146-164.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch)`
`20:06.08`	`*** join/#wowroster Specis (n=Charles@82-40-16-139.cable.ubr03.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`20:06.13`	`Zeryl`	`Spekis! lol`
`20:06.22`	`Specis`	`ello :)`
`20:07.29`	`Zeryl`	`Pleeg: Specis is the SQL guy i was talking to you about ):`
`20:07.37`	`Zeryl`	`ermm, :)`
`20:07.40`	`Zeryl`	`I hate mis-typing`
`20:08.11`	`Specis`	`i dont mind it to much, specially when using a laptop keyboard`
`20:08.24`	`Zeryl`	`i'll quit talking to you in-game right now, lol`
`20:08.32`	`Zeryl`	`So that means you know PHP then?`
`20:09.00`	`Specis`	`yea`
`20:09.16`	`Zeryl`	`mmm, gravy :)`
`20:09.22`	`Zeryl`	`always a help too :P`
`20:09.25`	`Zeryl`	`have you seen the roster?`
`20:09.28`	`Zeryl`	`on our site?`
`20:09.41`	`Specis`	`yup`
`20:09.56`	`Specis`	`was checking to see whats in the bank the other day`
`20:10.02`	`Zeryl`	`ahh, ya`
`20:10.20`	`Zeryl`	`i love the roster for that, if only more people used it and kept it up-to-date`
`20:10.56`	`Specis`	`hehe i've got the character profile addon installed.. just disabled`
`20:13.32`	`Zeryl`	`Zanix is the lead dev for roster, Pleeg is the regex expert, and does alot of coding for roster, I just became a dev, but have been around forever, polodude writes/maintains several addons, warla is creating a roster to rival ours evil look lol`
`20:13.59`	`Zeryl`	`and anaxent (who isn't here) is the guy who wrote the dragonfly port of roster`
`20:14.26`	`Zeryl`	`and there are a couple other devs who don't come around irc much, but do quite a bit of coding`
`20:17.33`	`Specis`	`k :)`
`20:18.55`	`Zeryl`	`and only a couple of us are on this side of the lake :(`
`20:19.09`	`Specis`	`which side is that?`
`20:20.17`	`Zeryl`	`the US side, lol`
`20:20.39`	`Zeryl`	`ohh, forgot mathos in that list, he's another dev who frequents the channel`
`20:21.22`	`Specis`	`so there is actually people on my side who play? shocking... never encountered any that went US military based in Germany or something`
`20:21.43`	`Specis`	`*wernt`
`20:21.43`	`Zeryl`	`hehe`
`20:21.59`	`Zeryl`	`you rolled on a US server though :P`
`20:22.56`	`Specis`	`yea.. tis cheaper :) im tight`
`20:23.32`	`Zeryl`	`is it really? that's odd they charge more for other servers`
`20:24.19`	`Specis`	`yea something like £14 pm for euro. and £8 pm for US`
`20:24.42`	`Zeryl`	`wow, that's quite a difference too, almost US$10`
`20:54.41`	`*** join/#wowroster Specis (n=Specis@82-40-16-139.cable.ubr03.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`21:01.22`	`Zeryl`	`bbl`
`21:23.30`	`PoloDude`	`sjiez, why are there so few ppl who seed download :(`
`21:50.22`	`*** join/#wowroster Mathos (i=Mathos@86.115.9.102)`
`21:50.22`	`*** mode/#wowroster [+o Mathos] by ChanServ`
`21:50.34`	`Mathos`	`Yo peeps`
`21:50.58`	`Mathos`	`PleegWat I am gonna hug you as soon as I am done with RDPK`
`21:51.31`	`Mathos`	`AltMonitor is perfect for automatic DKP listing to the main char`
`21:53.38`	`PoloDude`	`ello ello :)`
`21:53.50`	`Mathos`	`Hey Zanix_ and PoloDude :)`
`21:53.56`	`PoloDude`	`will it work without altmonitor?`
`21:53.58`	`Mathos`	`and the rest naturally`
`21:54.13`	`Mathos`	`Yeah it will work, but it will just display individuals`
`21:54.29`	`PoloDude`	`ah cool :)`
`21:54.31`	`Mathos`	`cause the individuals still will have the DKP`
`21:54.46`	`Mathos`	`only the main will be listed with a + sign`
`21:54.55`	`PoloDude`	`aha`
`21:55.02`	`Mathos`	`and all DKP will be calculated to that main`
`21:55.15`	`Mathos`	`for cosmetic purposes and ease up adminitration :)`
`21:59.37`	`Mathos`	`altmonitor is really a charm`
`21:59.50`	`Mathos`	`http://elune.mysticwoods.nl/soeroster/addon.php?roster_addon_name=AltMonitor`
`23:47.47`	`Zeryl\|AFK`	`hi guys, i'm back, heh`

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