| 00:07.35 | Wobin | A toc change generally indicates that the author has looked at the addon in the new version and certified it as working |
| 00:07.46 | Wobin | unless someone -other- than the author updates the version =P |
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| 00:08.18 | foxlit | Typically look at version, verify it works, and post a "yes, it works" note |
| 00:08.31 | foxlit | Then update toc in some functionality update |
| 00:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | some days, i want to strangle people at work. |
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| 00:39.59 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: did you get filum to compile? |
| 00:56.35 | Shirik|Ecole | almost |
| 00:57.03 | Shirik|Ecole | minor issues with that whole cleanup stuff I need to touch up |
| 00:57.17 | batrick | k |
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| 01:20.37 | Arrowmaster | Cide: i really want to know what you were smoking when you guys wrote CT_RaidTracker, that is unless all these lines that change global arg# vars inside the CT_RaidTracker_OnEvent were added by other people after you stoped maintaining it |
| 01:21.35 | Cide | most likely other people |
| 01:23.01 | Arrowmaster | if(arg1 == CT_RaidTracker_lang_BossKills_Majordomo_Yell) then |
| 01:23.02 | Arrowmaster | CT_RaidTracker_Debug("It's domo!"); |
| 01:23.07 | Arrowmaster | event = "CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH"; |
| 01:23.09 | Cide | that's not my code |
| 01:23.15 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 01:23.32 | Cide | it never had boss kill tracking when I maintained it |
| 01:23.42 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 01:23.51 | Arrowmaster | thats where most the uglyness is |
| 01:25.13 | Kirov | Cide writes purdy code (at least now he does... we'll forget about old CTRaid stuff) |
| 01:25.21 | Cide | yup (thanks) |
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| 02:00.03 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
| 02:00.04 | Shirik|Ecole | lies |
| 02:00.09 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide's code is ugly |
| 02:00.20 | Shirik|Ecole | (yes, I know I'm 30 minutes late, I don't care) |
| 02:00.27 | Cide | it's horrid |
| 02:00.41 | Shirik|Ecole | it's ok, a guildie asked me to fix an addon for them for 2.4 |
| 02:00.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I look at the code, recognize that it could be done in about 100 lines |
| 02:01.01 | Shirik|Ecole | instead it's nearly 1000 lines, no comments, and has about 6 ace libraries in it |
| 02:01.11 | Cide | it's how the real coders do it |
| 02:01.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm sorry, there is a comment |
| 02:01.16 | Shirik|Ecole | it's --------------------------------------------- |
| 02:01.20 | Cide | you should be able to learn a few things from that |
| 02:01.33 | Kirov | skirik - don't look at my code then |
| 02:01.45 | Shirik|Ecole | I grow very nervous around people who don't write comments |
| 02:01.50 | Kirov | My comments are usually |
| 02:01.50 | Kirov | -- OOGLY! FIX ME LATER |
| 02:01.57 | Shirik|Ecole | that's fine :P |
| 02:02.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I write fun comments too |
| 02:02.03 | Shirik|Ecole | but no comments is bad |
| 02:02.13 | Shirik|Ecole | / Magic, just trust me on this one |
| 02:02.26 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:02.48 | Shirik|Ecole | for the record, that line of code was wrong, and I paid the price for not explaining what I was doing |
| 02:02.57 | Shirik|Ecole | spent 15 minutes fixing that line :P |
| 02:03.01 | Guillotine | the best is when you see an author that was obviously told to use comments, but doesn't understand why "--they told me to put comments in my code so heres one" |
| 02:03.12 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 02:03.16 | Shirik|Ecole | that's like my old roommate |
| 02:03.23 | Shirik|Ecole | /// nobody ever reads these comments, you know |
| 02:03.27 | Guillotine | lol |
| 02:03.36 | Shirik|Ecole | amusingly, the professor wrote on the grade sheet "I read that comment, btw" |
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| 02:06.05 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: and you once again prove that trusting you is very unwise |
| 02:06.07 | Cide | (<3) |
| 02:07.22 | Shirik|Ecole | the code for my bot is beautiful |
| 02:07.29 | Kirov | I had one guy I worked with who I was training to use a scripting language. He was writing things like |
| 02:07.29 | Kirov | -- go over each part of the array one by one |
| 02:07.29 | Kirov | for i=1; ++i do |
| 02:08.11 | Cide | yeah, that's bad |
| 02:08.18 | Kirov | he was adding full paragraphs to his if / else statements |
| 02:08.20 | Kirov | every single one |
| 02:08.51 | Cide | / declare an integer variable named 'foo' and set it to 1. |
| 02:08.53 | Cide | int foo = 1; |
| 02:09.00 | Cide | ^ my comments |
| 02:09.17 | Cide | Kirov: wow, coding must take sooo much time |
| 02:09.27 | Kirov | He also had some of the longest variable names I've ever seen. |
| 02:10.00 | Kirov | When he started I'd showed him a "best coding practices" web site and he took it to heart |
| 02:10.12 | Cide | ah :P |
| 02:10.28 | Cide | "write comments and use variable names that make sense"? :P |
| 02:10.55 | Kirov | ThisVariableIsToKeepTrackOfTheIkKneeJointBone |
| 02:11.02 | Kirov | (we were doing animation tools) |
| 02:11.17 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 02:11.26 | Kirov | I broke him of that |
| 02:12.16 | MentalPower | o.O |
| 02:13.05 | Guillotine | you know what I like doing? Naming variables after keywords in other languages. "int then;" |
| 02:13.19 | MentalPower | ~lart Guillotine |
| 02:13.19 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after Guillotine's head |
| 02:13.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I try to explain what I'm doing |
| 02:13.28 | MentalPower | appropriate :) |
| 02:13.32 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 02:13.32 | purl | MentalPower: :) |
| 02:13.34 | Shirik|Ecole | it's stupid to do something like foo = 4; // sets foo to 4 |
| 02:14.02 | Guillotine | I comment my code for other developers. I figure someone that doesn't know what "int foo;" means shouldn't be reading my code anyway |
| 02:14.03 | Cide | a good guideline is to explain what you're doing whenever it isn't immediately clear |
| 02:14.35 | Guillotine | seriously though, its amazingly fun in C to do stuff like "int true = 0;" |
| 02:14.41 | Guillotine | confuse the hell out of people |
| 02:14.51 | Cide | #define private public |
| 02:15.09 | kd3 | shudders and goes back to his pizza |
| 02:15.09 | Cide | but the best part about that was the comment |
| 02:15.17 | Cide | "// I'm really, really sorry about this.." or whatever |
| 02:15.26 | Guillotine | lol |
| 02:16.25 | Kirov | You guys have seen Brainfuck? |
| 02:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i've mae too many comments that start with "i'm really sorry about this.." :P |
| 02:16.40 | kd3 | gags on his pizza |
| 02:16.46 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
| 02:17.04 | Kirov | The brainfuck language is an esoteric programming language noted for its extreme minimalism. It was designed to challenge and amuse programmers, and is not suitable for practical use. |
| 02:17.06 | Guillotine | Kirov: yes :) |
| 02:17.19 | Guillotine | lolcode is awesome too |
| 02:17.19 | kd3 | that was fun back in highschool... writing a brainfuck interpreter for my TI-89 and such. if I never see it again now, it'll be too soon |
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| 02:38.52 | Atriace | doh! |
| 02:39.12 | Atriace | Alright, is there some sort of secure method of hiding a frame while in combat? |
| 02:39.28 | Atriace | Apparently obj:hide() isn't allowed. |
| 02:40.36 | Kirov | Should only be on secure frames |
| 02:42.28 | kd3 | if it's a frame inheriting a secure header, you can't hide it. the most you can do is affect its transparency, but it'll still be clickable |
| 02:42.30 | Guillotine | Atriace: try obj:Hide() |
| 02:42.38 | kd3 | non-secure frames can be hidden with- |
| 02:42.46 | kd3 | that |
| 02:43.21 | Guillotine | but if you want a secure frame hidden in combat you're going to have to give it a state of hidden while in combat |
| 02:43.24 | Atriace | Guillotine: actually, I'm using obj:Hide() (my fingers were just too lazy to type it correctly in IRC) |
| 02:43.37 | Guillotine | is it a secure frame you're trying to hide? |
| 02:43.51 | Kirov | Atriace - what kind of frame are you hiding? |
| 02:44.04 | Atriace | My unit frame I created. |
| 02:44.10 | Shirik|Ecole | you can't hide those in combat |
| 02:44.18 | Shirik|Ecole | except immediately at PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 02:44.19 | Atriace | haha!! obj:SetAlpha() isn't protected. ^_^ |
| 02:44.28 | Shirik|Ecole | but it will still be clickable |
| 02:44.41 | Shirik|Ecole | even an invisible frame can be clicked |
| 02:44.48 | Atriace | Aye, but it's a moot issue. |
| 02:45.16 | Atriace | It's not going to be affected by received mouse events. |
| 02:45.29 | Atriace | In my case. |
| 02:45.44 | Kirov | Then why make it a unit frame? |
| 02:46.00 | kd3 | huh... that's odd |
| 02:46.09 | kd3 | alythess is showing up in the armory |
| 02:46.50 | Guillotine | Atriace: if its not going to be clickable, don't bother making it a unit frame |
| 02:46.57 | Guillotine | that way you can move it in combat, hide it, ect. |
| 02:47.47 | Sixen | Hai2u d3. |
| 02:47.53 | Sixen | s/kd3/d3 |
| 02:47.55 | Sixen | Rawr. |
| 02:47.56 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 02:47.59 | Atriace | Guillotine: wait a second... you're saying because i made it into a button, that's preventing it to be hidden in combat? |
| 02:48.05 | Sixen | How come I can never get that to work? |
| 02:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know how to reset Omen entirely? |
| 02:48.10 | Atriace | Any other frame will :Hide()? |
| 02:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It's throwing errors when I run the command :( |
| 02:48.17 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 02:48.21 | Shirik|Ecole | because you made it a secure frame |
| 02:48.22 | Guillotine | Is it a button or a secure frame? |
| 02:48.23 | kd3 | secure frames cannot be hidden or otherwise programatically affected in combat |
| 02:48.32 | kd3 | that's the whole point of the 2.0 changes |
| 02:48.36 | Shirik|Ecole | is it a secure frame or not? |
| 02:48.38 | Atriace | Ah... that makes sense. |
| 02:48.46 | Guillotine | If its a UnitFrame (secure frame), its locked in combat |
| 02:48.46 | Shirik|Ecole | and if it is secure, why is it secure? |
| 02:48.56 | Shirik|Ecole | because it sounds to me like you have no reason to make it secure |
| 02:49.09 | Atriace | Shirik|Ecole: It has a secure frame dropdown menu, but it's a child element to the frame I wanted to hide. |
| 02:49.53 | Atriace | Basicly, I've seperated the dropdown from the visual elements. I could just hide the elements and leave the functionality there. |
| 02:50.24 | Kirov | What's the dropdown menu for, and why is it secure? |
| 02:51.04 | Atriace | It's a unit frame dropdown menu (ie., party1-4, self, target). It allows you to both get the dropdown menu and target the unit. |
| 02:51.30 | Atriace | I patterned it after the Blizzard Unit frames, so the secure calls are still in there. |
| 02:52.16 | Kirov | Are you actually, literally, doing "securecall()" |
| 02:53.28 | Atriace | No |
| 02:53.45 | Atriace | SecureUnitButton_OnLoad, & SecureUnitButtonTemplate |
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| 02:55.04 | Fin | can I just say |
| 02:55.40 | Fin | wowui, or whatever they're called, really come across as not really knowing what the fuck is going on some of the time |
| 02:55.48 | Fin | that is all! |
| 02:56.02 | Shirik|Ecole | hi Fin |
| 02:56.09 | Fin | hey Shirik |
| 02:56.10 | Kirov | wowui.worldofwar.net? |
| 02:56.17 | Fin | good question, Kirov! |
| 02:56.25 | Fin | is it? or is it ui.worldofwar.net? or is it wowui.incgamers.com? |
| 02:56.35 | kd3 | gah, they change their url again? |
| 02:56.39 | Kirov | well, it's both |
| 02:56.39 | Fin | yes |
| 02:56.50 | Fin | they redirect to wowui.worldofwar.net |
| 02:57.47 | Atriace | wow... haven't been there since it was all green. It actually looks tasteful now. |
| 02:57.51 | Fin | but - and this is exactly what prompted my first comment - the RSS feed has: <title>ui.worldofwar.net</title> ... <link>http://wowui.incgamers.com</link> |
| 02:58.10 | Fin | <head> <table> <head><table> |
| 02:58.20 | Fin | that's my head |
| 02:58.26 | Fin | and the table is in front of me |
| 02:58.37 | Fin | (they don't have <head> <table> in their RSS feed...) |
| 02:59.27 | Fin | yeah, the design's quite nice - I think it's mostly down to one hard working designer who seems to have put a lot of effort into it |
| 03:01.27 | Fin | unfortunately she (I think it's a she? I dunno) doesn't own the site and is only responsible for the layout. that's how I understand it, anyway, I could easily be wrong |
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| 03:02.04 | Guillotine | Anybody know how to add a .appref-ms file to Norton's whitelist? |
| 03:02.20 | Fin | define "Norton" |
| 03:02.32 | Guillotine | Norton Internet Security Firewall |
| 03:02.36 | Fin | has Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition 7.0 installed |
| 03:02.39 | Fin | oh, OK |
| 03:02.49 | Guillotine | Its probably the same. Any idea how to do it? |
| 03:03.05 | Fin | I doubt it... one's a firewall, one's an antivirus program? |
| 03:03.30 | Guillotine | Ah, I figured the corporate edition included a firewall |
| 03:03.31 | Guillotine | nm then :) |
| 03:03.47 | Fin | for me, I'd double click the tray icon, click configure, File System Realtime Protection, the fiddle with the settings there |
| 03:05.37 | lagger | anyone know a mod that uses the uioptionspanel? |
| 03:06.08 | Kirov | The new one? |
| 03:06.18 | lagger | yeah |
| 03:06.20 | Fin | so uhm, I finally added the ability to search to my little addon updates thingy |
| 03:06.22 | lagger | im trying to find an example |
| 03:06.26 | lagger | cant find any |
| 03:06.30 | Fin | http://fin.instinct.org/wowmods/find |
| 03:06.40 | Fin | </plug> |
| 03:08.13 | Kirov | SCT and OmniCC both do |
| 03:09.32 | lagger | it look slike omnicc made its own |
| 03:09.36 | lagger | not part of the blziz one |
| 03:10.16 | Kirov | why do you say that, and what version of OmniCC |
| 03:11.06 | lagger | i just dled the latest one off wowinterface |
| 03:13.16 | Kirov | looks right to me |
| 03:13.29 | Kirov | the screenshot shows it's own, but the actual options aren't |
| 03:14.18 | lagger | oh yeah youre right |
| 03:16.12 | Fin | oh! |
| 03:17.07 | Fin | now I understand why ui.w's addons aren't being updated, and why the URLs included in it haven't been fixed |
| 03:17.13 | Guillotine | AnduinLothar is making a pretty cool library to easily add options to that built in options panel |
| 03:17.30 | Fin | [jem:pgl]:~ $ last-modified.pl http://wowui.worldofwar.net/rss/site_feed.xml |
| 03:17.34 | Fin | Last-Modified header for http://wowui.worldofwar.net/rss/site_feed.xml: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:00:01 GMT |
| 03:17.37 | Fin | that's why |
| 03:17.45 | kd3 | whoops |
| 03:17.46 | Fin | sighs |
| 03:23.57 | Fin | OK, so, there's an RSS feed for the forums, but not for the actual... addons... |
| 03:26.40 | Cairenn | for which site? |
| 03:26.59 | Cairenn | ah, nm, just read back |
| 03:27.50 | Fin | wowinterface's RSS feeds have always been exemplary, much love to whoever's responsible |
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| 03:31.55 | Cairenn | dolby, as usual when it comes to that sort of stuff :) |
| 03:33.01 | Fin | high fidelity indeed |
| 03:36.52 | Adys | hugs fin |
| 03:36.57 | Adys | hugs Cairenn too, btw |
| 03:37.03 | Fin | hugs Adys! |
| 03:37.04 | Cairenn | hugs Adys |
| 03:37.09 | Adys | Wee |
| 03:37.11 | Fin | woo! |
| 03:37.35 | Kirov | suddenly wants arby's |
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| 03:39.49 | Adys | Is there any good guide on handling string in lua? |
| 03:39.55 | Adys | substracts, splits, etc |
| 03:40.04 | Adys | +s |
| 03:40.39 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 03:41.13 | Adys | searches there |
| 03:41.14 | Adys | thanks :) |
| 03:42.01 | Fin | http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/strings |
| 03:42.01 | Fin | hm |
| 03:42.04 | Fin | that's a bit broken |
| 03:42.12 | Fin | only a bit |
| 03:42.23 | Adys | awesome |
| 03:42.59 | Fin | I should fix the import script |
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| 03:47.53 | Atriace | Where would one find the unit-level disparity-color intervals? |
| 03:49.27 | dylanm | QuestLogFrame.lua... function is called GetDifficultyColor I think. |
| 03:49.37 | dylanm | That's how the default UI does it at least. |
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| 03:50.38 | Atriace | Ah! Much better approach. i like it. |
| 03:55.23 | bleeter | demands Netherdrake Dragonling |
| 04:00.46 | Fin | aw |
| 04:00.48 | Fin | has bad thoughts |
| 04:00.52 | Fin | No match for "INC-GAMERS.COM". |
| 04:07.06 | art3mis | wow |
| 04:07.31 | art3mis | 72% of eligible voters at the most recent 4 canadian bi-elections didnt vote |
| 04:07.40 | art3mis | hangs head in shame. |
| 04:08.03 | Kirov | art3mis - still probably better than the US |
| 04:08.32 | bleeter | anyone heard of/got a daily quest tracking addon? |
| 04:08.36 | art3mis | it makes me sad that harper is wrecking my country while i'm away |
| 04:08.50 | art3mis | like tracks which ones youve done |
| 04:08.51 | art3mis | ? |
| 04:08.59 | bleeter | i'm like 25 quests across 3 chars.. aargh |
| 04:09.01 | bleeter | yeah |
| 04:09.31 | art3mis | im rpetty sure there was on |
| 04:09.47 | Cairenn | hey art3mis? |
| 04:09.50 | art3mis | saw it a while back when the blades edge ones started |
| 04:10.00 | art3mis | yes darlin? |
| 04:10.16 | Cairenn | you ever have a chance to work on that file for dolby-wowi? |
| 04:10.31 | art3mis | yup been working on them this week |
| 04:10.40 | art3mis | should have the pack done for sunday |
| 04:10.42 | Cairenn | okay, was just wondering |
| 04:10.43 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 04:10.49 | art3mis | nods |
| 04:12.56 | NightHawkTheSane | haha http://failblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/cnn-physics-fail/ |
| 04:12.58 | NightHawkTheSane | thats great |
| 04:14.44 | Cairenn | 18 times the speed of light, huh? |
| 04:14.47 | Cairenn | cool! |
| 04:15.19 | Adys | senses conspiration leak |
| 04:15.27 | Adys | posts on the NYT |
| 04:15.34 | Fin | well thta didn't last long |
| 04:15.37 | Fin | -ta+at |
| 04:15.39 | Kirov | I went that fast once, but people told me I was just being relatively dumb. |
| 04:15.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:16.03 | Fin | 5 points sir |
| 04:16.42 | Shirik|Ecole | ~Kirov++ |
| 04:24.46 | Cide | I've done that too. in about 3 years, I went that fast, and here I am today |
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| 04:32.29 | Fin | I will be doing that in the near future, and present, and past |
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| 04:43.31 | Kemayo | Anyone here on deDE and mind telling me what prints if you do "/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(QUEST_MONSTERS_KILLED)"? |
| 04:43.38 | Arcaia | can felhunter interrupt heroic kael's fireballs? |
| 04:44.40 | Arcaia | magister's terrace of course |
| 04:52.08 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:52.21 | Amarande | should anyone who isn't ready for MGT just forget about grouping at all now, unless they're a raider? |
| 04:52.51 | Amarande | I did get one group for BM, then found I couldn't -go- to BM because I hadn't done Durnholde, but how the hell am I going to get to do Durnholde ... |
| 04:53.28 | Amarande | lemme guess, Durnholde is something you usually do with an alt |
| 04:53.41 | Amarande | because in order to get an instance group, you have to basically be in a big guild |
| 04:53.48 | Amarande | to get into a big guild, you have to prove yourself with a decently geared 70 |
| 04:53.57 | Amarande | by the time you're 70, there's no point to going to sub-70 instances ... |
| 04:54.25 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.26 | Amarande | or is the thing to learn |
| 04:54.41 | Fin | I'm not sure I'd WANT a registrar who actively associate themselves with cowboys |
| 04:54.42 | Amarande | MMORPGs are for people who either work 9-5 jobs, are students, or got into them when a new expansion had just come out? |
| 04:55.08 | Amarande | far as WoW is concerned, you might as well just become an alt addict until WOTLK if you didn't get into BC soon enough? |
| 04:55.45 | Fin | [05:54:40] <Amarande> MMORPGs are for people who either work 9-5 jobs, are students, or got into them when a new expansion had just come out? |
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| 04:55.52 | Fin | uhm... isn't that... everyone... pretty much? |
| 04:55.53 | Amarande | 2.4 = FAIL |
| 04:56.06 | Amarande | Fin: how about people who work evening jobs and just got into wow last summer :) |
| 04:56.09 | Amarande | what are we supposed to do at 70? |
| 04:56.14 | Fin | raid |
| 04:56.20 | Fin | nods, yup |
| 04:56.25 | Amarande | right, you expect us to raid when we work evening jobs |
| 04:56.36 | Fin | nods, yup :) |
| 04:56.38 | Amarande | in 2.3, I may have had a chance to do something |
| 04:56.39 | seebs | This may be a dumb question, but... Did anyone ever post a FINAL version of the 2.4 combat event descriptions, instead of the "sneak preview" we got 4-5 months ago? |
| 04:56.48 | Amarande | now we have 2.4, which basically requires heroic and kara gear to even do normal MGT from what I gather |
| 04:56.54 | Fin | there are guilds out there, and you can transfer servers if you need to |
| 04:57.10 | Amarande | and everyone's doing MGT so getting a group for anything that isn't MGT or the daily quest is hopeless |
| 04:57.14 | dylanm | There are always guilds that raid at times convenient for you. |
| 04:58.10 | seebs | I'm trying to update a mod. All I really want is to get any incoming events that involve the player/pet. I don't need to scan old log messages, I just want new ones as they come in. |
| 04:58.13 | dylanm | I don't know. My alts on my low-pop server can find groups alright. Terrace is certainly hot right now but you're not the only one that wants those other instances, generally. |
| 04:58.23 | Amarande | see, here's the trouble |
| 04:58.25 | Amarande | I need to get into BM. |
| 04:58.30 | Amarande | But to get into BM, I need to do OHB |
| 04:58.40 | Amarande | however, while BM is a desirable level 70 instance that many people still want stuff from |
| 04:58.44 | Amarande | -nobody- wants to do OHB |
| 04:58.53 | Amarande | OHB is a 66-68 instance that most people skip over and do solo quests to level there |
| 04:58.54 | seebs | Eh, just make friends who will do stuff just to help out. That's what I did. |
| 04:59.03 | Fin | you'll just have to wait a little bit, won't be too long before people need to do the same stuff you do again |
| 04:59.24 | Amarande | hell, I'm not too keen on doing OHB myself :| |
| 04:59.28 | Amarande | it's a level 66-68 instance, for one. |
| 04:59.31 | seebs | Not that I'd know, I haven't played in a month and a half due to work. |
| 04:59.33 | dylanm | I'll give you that Durn is not really popular. |
| 04:59.34 | Amarande | for two, the quest is a GODDAMNED ESCORT QUEST |
| 04:59.39 | Amarande | -I HATE ESCORT QUESTS-, mind you |
| 04:59.56 | Amarande | it's one reason I'm glad to be horde, if I want to I can get onyxia attuned -without- having to do a friggin ass of an escort quest |
| 05:00.50 | Amarande | the "epic" jewelcraft recipe from epoch hunter is complete crap |
| 05:00.59 | Amarande | the other gear is below me at this point |
| 05:01.13 | Amarande | maybe one of you can tell me |
| 05:01.18 | Amarande | just what the circlet of arcane might is good for :S |
| 05:01.27 | dylanm | What class are you |
| 05:01.52 | dylanm | Not that it's a huge deal but certain ones are easier to pump up than others in my view. |
| 05:02.37 | dylanm | seebs: http://www.wowwiki.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_Details is the best reference I've seen. |
| 05:02.46 | seebs | Thank you! |
| 05:03.19 | dylanm | Yeah I've been glancing at it a lot. Whoever put that together is my hero. |
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| 05:04.26 | Amarande_ | I don't see any reason at all for it to be epic |
| 05:04.32 | Amarande_ | hell, greens are better than that POS |
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| 05:06.25 | dylanm | I think everyone acknowledges that it's a dumb pattern. |
| 05:06.36 | Amarande | at least I only need to get to honored with the stupid Keepers |
| 05:06.55 | Amarande | aside from Enigmatic Skyfire Diamond, I'm not sure any of the CoT rep stuff is any good at all for me |
| 05:07.32 | Amarande | maybe the living ruby serpent |
| 05:07.37 | Amarande | all the other stuff seems to suck for a JC warlock |
| 05:07.48 | Amarande | even the epic caster bracers are for healers, not DPS |
| 05:08.20 | Amarande | let's hope that Blizzard learns that -attunement- for a 5 man instance is a -dumb thing- |
| 05:08.32 | Amarande | it's one thing to need a key, it's another thing to require full party attunement for a freaking 5 man |
| 05:08.52 | dylanm | I like attunements. Maybe I'm crazy. |
| 05:08.54 | Amarande | especially when attunement's gained through going somewhere you have no other reason to go |
| 05:09.04 | dylanm | Are you on a low-pop server? |
| 05:09.06 | Amarande | at least say, the Scholomance key line was mostly solo, and you can 2-man Araj |
| 05:09.10 | dylanm | And why aren't you a tailor :p |
| 05:09.19 | Amarande | the Arcatraz key line actually sends you to instances worth going to at 70 |
| 05:09.40 | Amarande | but BM attunement sends you somewhere you have absolutely no good reason to go to at 70, unless you want to do the OHB quest on Heroic |
| 05:10.10 | Amarande | dylanm: I had a tailor alt on Turalyon |
| 05:10.17 | Amarande | so I wasn't about to make the warlock a tailor too |
| 05:11.01 | Amarande | though there's some people who insist all cloth casters need to be tailors, unless you're raiding T6 |
| 05:11.01 | dylanm | It's just so good for any cloth-wearer. JC is conceptually sexier, I agree. |
| 05:11.11 | dylanm | I mean I didn't do it. |
| 05:12.38 | dylanm | I'm too addicted to gathering and selling things for mad profits and on Mal'Ganis finding instance groups was never an issue. |
| 05:12.57 | dylanm | Back when like gearing for Kara was serious biz. |
| 05:13.01 | Amarande | Quel'dorei is a medium pop server, btw |
| 05:13.09 | Amarande | as was Turalyon, though Turalyon was WAY more progressed than Q'd |
| 05:13.32 | Amarande | hmm, can I even consider going to MT in blues? |
| 05:13.47 | Amarande | like I said, I know a coworker who took a group from his T5 raiding guild in there and got pwnt |
| 05:13.58 | Amarande | so I get the feeling going in blues would make things hopeless |
| 05:14.11 | Amarande | even though I do have capped spell hit vs. 72 and below, so I can at least CC well |
| 05:15.06 | dylanm | We're talking regular? |
| 05:15.46 | Amarande | Yeah, this was -regular- MT he got squashed in. |
| 05:15.53 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Quel'dorei&n=Alvaerin |
| 05:15.55 | Amarande | that's my gear right now |
| 05:16.07 | Amarande | any chance of making it in MT, or am I going to have to do a solo and BG'ing holding pattern till people tire of it? |
| 05:16.37 | dylanm | You're fine. Just being 70 is going to make it pretty trivial. |
| 05:17.29 | Amarande | I get to wonder if maybe I should have toughed it out and leveled my priest to 70 instead of starting a lock |
| 05:17.35 | Amarande | and then I would have had my first 70 about a month sooner |
| 05:17.53 | Amarande | that basically getting your first 70 too late = "sorry, just put her in cold storage till WOTLK when you can hope to catch up again" |
| 05:18.41 | Amarande | hell, Quel'dorei is one of the newest servers there is, pretty much |
| 05:18.53 | Amarande | if the population even there is crystallized mostly into guild groups, where can one go? |
| 05:19.11 | seebs | Eesh. The combat logs have SO many arguments. This is gonna take some thinking. |
| 05:19.11 | dylanm | The only part that's ever hard in that place is Shaffar. If your DPS knows what it's doing with the adds you're golden. |
| 05:19.21 | Amarande | actually, I have seen a few unguildeds around, but I'm not sure what they do :) |
| 05:19.32 | dylanm | Well, you'd be mistaken if you thought that there was no one else in your position. |
| 05:19.39 | Amarande | maybe they just grind solo dailies till epic mount and then shelve the character and start an alt |
| 05:19.44 | dylanm | Or that the people recruiting for the lower-tier guilds didn't understand your situation. |
| 05:19.57 | Amarande | Yeah, there's someone who thinks I would do well in his guild |
| 05:20.01 | dylanm | Some people love soloing. Running around in welfare gear and doing some battlegrounds. |
| 05:20.04 | Amarande | but he doesn't come online till like, midnight Pacific lol |
| 05:20.10 | Amarande | that's about ... an hour and 40 minutes from now still |
| 05:20.26 | Amarande | well, I'm not sure I'll get to do BGs till probably Tuesday or so |
| 05:20.41 | Amarande | Emberstorm had some apparent server bugs with AV and WSG, probably won't be fixed till reset |
| 05:20.44 | dylanm | It's not as easy as the hardcores complain it is but the badge gear is good to look at. |
| 05:21.09 | Amarande | dylanm: last time I tried to get into a heroic group ... hell, a couple good friends of mine were tank and healer ... I was told I didn't have the gear |
| 05:21.28 | Amarande | hmm, should I start sacrificing stats again to get more +spell dmg? |
| 05:21.35 | Amarande | that's the only place I see myself really lowish |
| 05:21.46 | Amarande | stats are decent for blues. spell hit is more than capped for 72's |
| 05:21.54 | Amarande | (I have 2/5 Suppression, so 13 was enough) |
| 05:22.07 | Amarande | though, that was Turalyon |
| 05:22.21 | Amarande | like I said, Turalyon seems to be a hell of a lot more progressed, and apparently those friends of mine are raiding T5 now |
| 05:22.28 | Amarande | they probably wanted fast badges more than to just run, I guess |
| 05:22.36 | dylanm | Once you're hit-capped spell damage is everything. |
| 05:22.58 | Amarande | yeah, I'm thinking if I should go all the way to the 73 hit cap |
| 05:23.02 | Amarande | so I'll be ready for kara too |
| 05:23.11 | dylanm | Kara is sorta badge heaven. |
| 05:23.13 | Amarande | but I may lose even more spell dmg in the bargain that way |
| 05:25.06 | dylanm | It kinda sucks that the 3/4 5/6 wall got taken down. |
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| 05:44.41 | Lukian | anyone figured out the bug/addon which causes a lockup when hearthing from Isle of QD yet? |
| 05:45.08 | seebs | Wow, this new combat API is brilliantly full, and yet, horrendously complicated for my purposes. |
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| 05:59.30 | kd3 | Lukian, hortus/QA think it's the combat log refiltering the "everything" tab. there's a decently long thread going in bug reports right now |
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| 06:01.34 | kd3 | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5575607955&sid=1 |
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| 06:08.47 | art3mis | hey i have a question |
| 06:08.59 | art3mis | ya know those slide out thigns that auctioneer and lighthead have? |
| 06:09.19 | kd3 | yah, I haven't figured out how to turn those off either, haven't really looked all that hard |
| 06:09.39 | art3mis | is it possible to make a unitframe like say party or yours slideout or appear/disappear when you go into combat or click the tab? |
| 06:09.50 | Kirov | Yes and no |
| 06:10.08 | art3mis | that would be sexy |
| 06:10.46 | Kirov | You can make it appear as if they are, but the actual clickable location won't move. They can be "toggled" using states. |
| 06:11.15 | art3mis | so it could hide them out of combat and make them appear in combat or when idle? |
| 06:11.20 | kd3 | you can ":Show()" them on REGEN_DISABLED, though |
| 06:11.21 | art3mis | like not moving idle |
| 06:11.38 | art3mis | beenn playing .hack a lot |
| 06:11.46 | art3mis | heh got used to that way of behavior ;P |
| 06:11.53 | kd3 | you could probably draw something on top of the frame to make it look like they're sliding in |
| 06:12.23 | art3mis | or even just appear |
| 06:12.29 | art3mis | sliding isnt really that important |
| 06:12.48 | art3mis | wodner if i should read how eep2 does the display hide stuff |
| 06:12.50 | art3mis | and script it |
| 06:13.01 | art3mis | trinity bars does it based on state |
| 06:13.07 | art3mis | kind of handy |
| 06:13.40 | Kirov | As far an I know, anything you can do to action buttons you can do on unit frames |
| 06:14.47 | art3mis | you should go make that |
| 06:14.50 | art3mis | ;) |
| 06:14.58 | art3mis | a unitframe display/hider |
| 06:15.27 | art3mis | and make me a multi addon profiler ;) |
| 06:15.56 | art3mis | that essentially allows for creation of a profile for multiple addons saves it and allows for import and export of settings ;P |
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| 06:50.03 | seebs | Did they change something that causes UI errors not to get displayed anymore? If so, how do I get them back? My symptom is that when I try to open my addon's window, the /command isn't accepted -- I just stay on the chat window line with it typed. That has always meant, in the past, that I am triggering a lua error. |
| 06:50.06 | seebs | But I get nothing. |
| 06:50.36 | Funkeh` | seebs, there's a lua errors option in the interface options |
| 06:52.53 | seebs | Oh, wow. They totally revamped those. |
| 06:53.17 | seebs | And, note to self, don't name a local variable "type", and for SURE don't do that without actually declaring it as local. |
| 06:53.50 | Kirov | I like calling my tables "table" in the global. |
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| 07:01.43 | seebs | Woot! Chatterbox is at least mostly updated for 2.4. |
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| 07:02.59 | seebs | Thanks as always for the useful tips. You guys rock. |
| 07:04.19 | Cairenn | seebs: :) |
| 07:04.25 | Cairenn | they really are the best, aren't they? |
| 07:06.38 | seebs | It really is awesome. |
| 07:06.52 | seebs | This chat room is a major part of the reason I have not bothered to upload my addons to sites other than WoWI lately. |
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| 07:07.42 | Cairenn | meh, the channel is site non-specific |
| 07:08.16 | Cairenn | I just was running on auto-pilot when I created it, or I would have named it differently |
| 07:08.19 | seebs | Heh. |
| 07:08.41 | seebs | True. I guess I just like the site better. I'm too lazy to keep up with all of them. |
| 07:08.50 | Kirov | I update Curse and WoWI |
| 07:09.06 | Kirov | I used to update worldofware before they became inc |
| 07:09.20 | seebs | I have been too busy to do anything. I think I'll upload Chatterbox and hope that either it really is working, or people are tolerant. |
| 07:09.24 | MentalPower | does as Kirov does |
| 07:09.25 | seebs | Shame, I was about to declare it Out Of Beta. |
| 07:09.47 | Cairenn | Kirov: that was just a name change, not any actual change to the site ownership/admin |
| 07:10.00 | Cairenn | (to the best of my knowledge) |
| 07:10.13 | MentalPower | afaik, Cairenn is correct |
| 07:10.21 | MentalPower | still, their PR stinks |
| 07:10.47 | Kirov | I mainly stopped not because of the switch there, but their first site redesign stopped making me want to go there |
| 07:11.59 | AbsoRayne | yawns |
| 07:12.02 | AbsoRayne | Hi all |
| 07:12.07 | AbsoRayne | How goes it this evening |
| 07:12.20 | Cairenn | hey AbsoRayne |
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| 07:12.49 | seebs | There's a very weird quirk where some Ace2 addons fail because they are not realizing they have one of their embedded addons. This seems to be Linux-specific, making me guess there's a case-insensitivity-dependency somewhere. But it's *spreading*. |
| 07:13.20 | AbsoRayne | So ive come to the realization that alot of people in my guild fail terribly |
| 07:13.46 | AbsoRayne | We wiped on VR tonight. |
| 07:13.53 | AbsoRayne | For the first time in 2 months |
| 07:13.57 | AbsoRayne | Because they didnt have DBM |
| 07:13.58 | amro | AbsoRayne: it can be easily generalized to "a lot of people fail terribly" |
| 07:14.03 | Kirov | We Are! Vee Arr! |
| 07:14.05 | Kirov | ... |
| 07:14.07 | Kirov | hides |
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| 07:15.31 | AbsoRayne | And aparently, a large glowing orb approvimatly the size of the boss himself is hard to se |
| 07:15.37 | Kirov | I'm sometimes impressed with how much people (including myself sometimes) are dependent on DBM or BigWigs |
| 07:16.25 | Cairenn | Kirov: you've been watching too many cheerleading shows lately :p |
| 07:16.33 | AbsoRayne | I can call most of the SSC and TK fights without it. :/ |
| 07:17.21 | Kirov | Cairenn - not cheerleading, early 90's japanese rip-off tv shows |
| 07:17.25 | Cairenn | ah |
| 07:17.32 | Kirov | VR Troopers |
| 07:17.40 | Cairenn | well, you've been watching too many of them, then |
| 07:17.45 | Kirov | I loved that show for all of about 4 months before my balls dropped |
| 07:17.53 | AbsoRayne | Policecops? |
| 07:17.54 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 07:18.56 | MentalPower | kd3: is there a way to check the Blizz patches for integrity in linux? |
| 07:20.11 | seebs | Has ckknight been around lately? |
| 07:20.25 | Cairenn | points at ckknight |
| 07:21.30 | Cairenn | or do you mean active? |
| 07:21.42 | seebs | Well, yeah. The person, rather than the zombie. :) |
| 07:21.46 | amro | ~seen ckknight |
| 07:21.47 | purl | ckknight is currently on #wowi-lounge #norganna #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 91 messages. Is idling for 4h 44m 34s, last said: 'how was I not identified?'. |
| 07:21.50 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:21.56 | amro | =) |
| 07:22.06 | Kirov | ~seen Gello |
| 07:22.07 | purl | gello <n=chatzill@hmpdmehed51-pool3-a127.hmpdme.tds.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 489d 1h 22m 32s ago, saying: 'if you do <PushedTexture file="same file"><TexCoords left=".1" right=".9" top=".1" bottom=".9"/></PushedTexture> then it will look like it "pushes" without needing new artwork'. |
| 07:22.12 | Cairenn | 5 hrs? I'd say he's actually afk, not just idling, yup |
| 07:22.14 | seebs | Not that I'd ever spend a full month logged into an IRC channel without actually seeing the window. |
| 07:22.32 | Cairenn | Gello has disappeared off the face of the earth :( |
| 07:25.02 | Nechckn | seebs That is an interesting issue, if that is, in fact what it is. Surely some of the "one off" addon authors don't take the *ux installs into account when coding. |
| 07:25.12 | seebs | Possible. |
| 07:25.27 | seebs | The reason I ask about ckknight is that I think he owns FuBar_ClockFu, which is one of the ones biting me. |
| 07:25.35 | Cairenn | yes he does |
| 07:25.50 | seebs | It works on my Mac. On Linux, it says it can't register as type TabletLib-2.0 because that's not loaded, or something to that effect. |
| 07:26.10 | seebs | And now FuBar_LocationFu is doing the same thing to me. And weeping ensues, because I love me some fubar. |
| 07:26.27 | Nechckn | hehehe everyone loves fubar! |
| 07:26.38 | Nechckn | well, maybe not *everyone* but, you know... |
| 07:26.40 | seebs | I'd like to sync up with him sometime and find out whether this is known, or fixable. |
| 07:27.29 | seebs | I'm betting that it's a typo that could be fixed. Somehow. |
| 07:34.41 | MentalPower | seebs: Linux (wine) uses the Windows idiosyncrasies, so you should not be seeing any issues with case-sensitivity there |
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| 07:41.33 | Nechckn | seebs sorry about that- was thinking the usual Win vs. *ux as you were but as MP points out it shouldn't matter in game/with the Addons |
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| 07:45.50 | widger|phone | Three incarnations, I win! |
| 07:48.43 | batrick | --> 144*15 |
| 07:48.43 | batbot | batrick: > 2160 |
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| 07:50.05 | ckknight | seebs: what's all this, then? |
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| 07:50.34 | Shirik|Ecole | mentalpower? |
| 07:50.58 | Shirik|Ecole | oh nm, I figured out what you're talking about |
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| 07:51.54 | MentalPower | widger|phone: thats four of me |
| 07:52.07 | MentalPower|AFK | me here too :) |
| 07:52.12 | Nechckn | woo... look at him |
| 07:52.15 | Nechckn | Bigshot |
| 07:52.17 | MentalPower|DVD | and here |
| 07:52.55 | MentalPower|PC | and here :P |
| 07:53.42 | MentalPower | Shirik|Ecole: I'm trying to verify the blizzard signatures of their patches on a linux box, but google is proving less than helpful |
| 07:54.26 | *** part/#wowi-lounge MentalPower|DVD (n=MentalPo@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 07:54.35 | widger|phone | *golfclap* |
| 07:54.50 | MentalPower | oh come on :) |
| 07:55.24 | MentalPower | re-integrates his separate personalities |
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| 08:08.19 | AbsoRayne | Hrm |
| 08:10.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I love microsoft |
| 08:11.09 | batrick | it hurts me inside to hear you say that |
| 08:11.11 | Shirik|Ecole | Apparently to report memory leaks correctly in C, you use #define _CRTDBG_MAP_ALLOC |
| 08:11.12 | Nechckn | Uh oh |
| 08:11.21 | Shirik|Ecole | But if you're using C++ operators |
| 08:11.26 | Shirik|Ecole | you #define CRTDBG_MAP_ALLOC |
| 08:11.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I spent the last 20 minutes trying to figure this out because I thought it was a typo ... |
| 08:11.51 | batrick | i hate you shirik |
| 08:12.03 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 08:12.13 | Shirik|Ecole | you just wish your puny OS had built-in memory leak detection |
| 08:12.40 | batrick | the OS shouldn't micromanage bad programs |
| 08:12.51 | widger|phone | i have irc on my phone. i love the future. |
| 08:12.54 | Shirik|Ecole | it doesn't unless you're running the debug APIs and have it turned on |
| 08:12.58 | Kalroth | I wouldn't want to run an OS that bitches on memory leaks :p |
| 08:12.58 | batrick | it adds unnecessary complexity to the system |
| 08:13.48 | batrick | widger|phone: what phone are you using? |
| 08:14.44 | widger|phone | att tilt |
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| 08:36.09 | batrick | wtf lol |
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| 08:36.16 | batrick | when did us forums have a spanish language option |
| 08:36.31 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=20016&sid=2 |
| 08:38.12 | clad|sleep | since they added it |
| 08:38.54 | bleeter | two days ago iirc |
| 08:38.57 | batrick | i fear for your future students clad |
| 08:39.04 | cladhaire | why is that? |
| 08:39.16 | cladhaire | there's been a ton of discussion about it over the past few days |
| 08:39.17 | batrick | "when did they make linux" "when linus torvalds posted his ann on usenet" |
| 08:39.23 | batrick | shit like that :) |
| 08:39.24 | batrick | i see you doin |
| 08:39.39 | batrick | anyway, i didn't see it until now |
| 08:39.42 | batrick | and nothing in here |
| 08:40.00 | cladhaire | :P |
| 08:40.08 | cladhaire | it was all in how you phrased the question |
| 08:40.11 | cladhaire | :P |
| 08:40.36 | art3mis | how long is a piece of string? |
| 08:40.42 | art3mis | twice as long as half the length, next |
| 08:41.02 | batrick | art3mis: die |
| 08:41.21 | art3mis | flumps. |
| 08:42.07 | art3mis | hrm appearantly google now spawns igoogle |
| 08:44.27 | batrick | ~lart3mis |
| 08:44.27 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 08:44.36 | batrick | ~emulate art3mis |
| 08:44.36 | purl | I'm not special enough |
| 08:44.45 | batrick | haha that's perfect |
| 08:44.49 | art3mis | ;) |
| 08:46.13 | art3mis | http://www.cousinconnect.com/p/a/0/s/BATRICK |
| 08:46.26 | art3mis | thats from batrick aand clicking im feeling lucky ;P |
| 08:46.38 | batrick | my name was invented, it just so happens people long ago also invented it |
| 08:49.26 | batrick | hey clad u got a minute to give me some advice on a proposal for a gsoc project? |
| 08:49.45 | cladhaire | i can look at it |
| 08:49.48 | cladhaire | doing a bunch of things atm |
| 08:49.59 | art3mis | Q: What do you call a dog with no hind legs and metal balls? |
| 08:50.02 | art3mis | A: Sparky! |
| 08:50.17 | batrick | i'm working out the technical details atm, haven't written anything yet |
| 08:53.12 | cladhaire | ok |
| 08:54.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i was giving my dog only two front legs and prosthetic testicles |
| 08:54.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd make them out of flint |
| 08:55.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | so he'd have a huge spark trail everywhere |
| 09:02.45 | AbsoRayne | What that site that you can post the LUA files into that you guys are using? O_o |
| 09:02.51 | AbsoRayne | like wowpasty or something |
| 09:04.09 | Cairenn | points to the channel topic |
| 09:05.15 | batrick | ~topic |
| 09:05.22 | batrick | i'm surprised there's nothing for that |
| 09:05.25 | AbsoRayne | Oo |
| 09:05.32 | Cairenn | wowi.pastey.net |
| 09:05.38 | batrick | AbsoRayne: /topic would probably work |
| 09:05.39 | AbsoRayne | Cairenn: ty :) |
| 09:05.45 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 09:06.11 | batrick | ~help topic |
| 09:06.22 | batrick | hrm not quite what i wanted |
| 09:06.23 | batrick | lol |
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| 09:10.19 | batrick | ~man ulimit |
| 09:10.21 | purl | No manual entry for ulimit |
| 09:10.27 | batrick | wow |
| 09:11.25 | batrick | I thought that'd make a great addition to a bot until I realized how much spam that would make |
| 09:15.45 | batrick | http://labix.org/lunatic-python |
| 09:15.48 | batrick | that's incredibly cool |
| 09:18.22 | batrick | night |
| 09:20.14 | Cairenn | night batrick |
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| 09:26.17 | Nechckn | Cairenn get some rest! |
| 09:26.21 | Nechckn | =) |
| 09:26.27 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:26.31 | Cairenn | shortly |
| 09:26.36 | Nechckn | crazy kids hanging out til all hours |
| 09:28.18 | Nechckn_SomeZs | btw thanks for the reminder re: linking! ttyl! |
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| 10:52.24 | Tentacled | Wow. There's actually people in here. |
| 10:54.15 | Tentacled | So... Perhaps someone here knows how to remove a UI object created with LUA? A FontString, namely... CreateFontString brought it to life, now how to get rid of the bugger..? |
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| 11:26.50 | Vangual | i believe a fontstring is just like a frame in this case, can only hide it, no proper way of killing the object completely |
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| 12:29.42 | SinPi | Vangual: so... if I'm to display gobs of textual data, with essentially each line of text separately clickable - I have to create spare hundreds of the fontstrings, to avoid messy creating of thousands of them? O_O |
| 12:29.54 | SinPi | (Tentacled here) |
| 12:31.03 | Vangual | just create a small pool system with your own deleteFrame function that normalizes, empties and hides it until you request a new one with your own newFrame function |
| 12:31.31 | SinPi | I'm not sure if I follow. |
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| 12:31.41 | Krung | Hey |
| 12:32.30 | SinPi | I'll still have a ton of leftover strings, when I'm displaying a 5-line text piece after previously displaying a 1000-line monster... |
| 12:33.01 | Vangual | yes you will |
| 12:33.06 | SinPi | Sigh. |
| 12:33.17 | SinPi | So it's FauxFrame Land for me. |
| 12:34.10 | SinPi | grumbles. No way to remove an object once created... This is a new low in OO design... |
| 12:34.22 | Vangual | maybe there's a design way to avoid having that many single strings visible at once? |
| 12:34.49 | SinPi | That was supposed to be a smoothly scrollable list of quests. |
| 12:35.00 | SinPi | A quest-ticker, of sorts. |
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| 12:35.16 | Vangual | i would guess you can put a newline in a fontobject in some way to avoid having one seperate for each line, tho i'm not sure |
| 12:35.23 | Vangual | ah nvm then |
| 12:35.36 | SinPi | Now I guess I'll have to make it a FauxScrollFrame and imitate smooth scrolling. |
| 12:35.59 | Vangual | afk, rep farm time |
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| 12:37.16 | foxlit | FauxScrollFrames are generally for distinct elements |
| 12:38.16 | SinPi | Sure, but I can put a faux frame in a real scroll frame, and simulate smooth scrolling by gradually moving the faux frame out of sight until the top of the second item reaches the top of the visible area - then faux-scroll one item down, while resetting the smooth scroll. |
| 12:39.40 | foxlit | There doesn't appear to be a benefit |
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| 12:51.50 | Tentacled | foxlit: automatic smooth scrolling is what I'm after. |
| 12:52.33 | Tentacled | Like a stock exchange ticker, only vertical, with quest objectives. Maybe scarcely functional, but a good exercise. |
| 12:53.37 | foxlit | Er, so, ScrollFrame and a single fontstring |
| 12:53.55 | foxlit | (or frame with font string :) ) |
| 12:55.07 | Tentacled | A slight catch - each line has to be clickable separately. |
| 12:56.27 | foxlit | SimpleHTML, links, go |
| 12:56.58 | Tentacled | inline images? ;P |
| 12:57.07 | Tentacled | okay, that's actually possible with 2.4. |
| 12:57.21 | foxlit | SimpleHTML makes images possible even before 2.4 |
| 12:57.23 | Tentacled | but add a button in there and bye bye go mind shortcuts ;P |
| 12:57.55 | Tentacled | clever as they may be. |
| 12:58.18 | foxlit | Meh |
| 12:58.24 | foxlit | I don't think you need hardware input for anything |
| 12:58.36 | foxlit | It'd work. |
| 12:58.50 | Tentacled | hardware input = ? |
| 12:59.02 | zenzelezz | when the user hits a button on a device |
| 12:59.15 | zenzelezz | certain things can only be done in response to user interaction |
| 12:59.51 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, you always have the perfect innunedo comment for me to come in on... *hug* |
| 13:00.04 | Tentacled | Sure, but suppose I wanted a regular good old red button next to each entry... |
| 13:00.20 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you believe this to be a coincidence? ;) |
| 13:00.36 | Lopeppeppy | You're the best straight-man any girl could ask for. |
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| 13:22.08 | Industrial | uh, didnt shamanistic rage last 30 sec? |
| 13:23.32 | Industrial | its 15 sec now ? :s |
| 13:39.46 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2read patchnotes |
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| 13:53.57 | zenzelezz | heh, reading a piece of the ICU documentation and come across the sentence "No heap allocation is involved in initializing this array of empty strings (C++ is not Java!)." |
| 13:55.19 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
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| 13:59.00 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone willing to rewrite telltrack? I am going insane :X |
| 13:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | What does it do? |
| 14:00.54 | sag_ich_nicht | track whispers |
| 14:01.01 | sag_ich_nicht | like WIM, except without bloating |
| 14:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Cellular? |
| 14:01.24 | sag_ich_nicht | huh? |
| 14:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | files.wowace.com, Cellular is like WIM only different. :) |
| 14:01.54 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 14:01.55 | sag_ich_nicht | holdon |
| 14:01.58 | sag_ich_nicht | screenshots? :X |
| 14:02.03 | |Pixel| | cellular rocks |
| 14:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | go find 'em yourself? *bonk8 |
| 14:02.14 | |Pixel| | except that it has some bad behavior with some events |
| 14:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Cellular |
| 14:02.28 | |Pixel| | which might get into some other addons |
| 14:02.32 | |Pixel| | otherwise it's really nice |
| 14:04.50 | mykx | Hi. I read that wowinterface.comi has it's own updater and had a look around and couldn't find it. What's the link if it infact does exist ? |
| 14:06.15 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 14:06.16 | sag_ich_nicht | don't like it |
| 14:06.21 | sag_ich_nicht | eats way too much screen estate |
| 14:06.23 | Gnarfoz | only wowi updater I know about is the one addon _authors_ can use to simplify updating their mods on the site |
| 14:06.40 | mykx | ahh right no worries then |
| 14:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | Not true, Gnarfoz... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat88.html |
| 14:07.11 | Lopeppeppy | WoWInterface UI Manager. |
| 14:07.24 | sys_rage | WUU = win |
| 14:07.27 | mykx | thanks Lopeppeppy |
| 14:07.29 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: how about you read the conversation going on and direct that answer to the one seeking it? >_> |
| 14:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | Oh...kay.... you're the one that said it didn't exist. Sorry. Have happy fun links and be educated anyway? |
| 14:08.09 | Gnarfoz | "the only one I know" <-- can't ever be wrong, because I might (as I seem to do) not know everything! :D |
| 14:08.40 | mykx | haha don't worry about it no big deal, thanks for the link |
| 14:08.43 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 14:09.04 | Gnarfoz | just woke up, probably am a bit cranky still :\ |
| 14:09.18 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 14:09.19 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway anyone willing to rewrite telltrack so it isn't the shitheap it currently is? http://www.cosmosui.org/files/addons/TellTrack.zip |
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| 14:40.08 | Wobin__ | sag_ich_nicht: HeyFu |
| 14:40.25 | Wobin__ | hrm, that's another one that disappeared =\ |
| 14:40.30 | Wobin__ | ah well, it's on SVN |
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| 14:41.22 | Adys | For the ones still interested, I made some very big changes on OpenWDB since last time, new test cases are up too - http://www.wowwiki.com/OpenWDB |
| 14:41.44 | Adys | is off to bed |
| 14:46.44 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:40] <Wobin__> sag_ich_nicht: HeyFu <--i want a rewrite of it, not something "tracks whispers" when it doesn't |
| 14:46.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't want it in the fubar |
| 14:52.07 | haste | what does telltracker do? |
| 14:52.35 | nevcairiel | track tells |
| 14:52.37 | nevcairiel | *shrug :P |
| 14:52.56 | haste | you can track tells in quite a few different ways :p |
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| 15:16.53 | digmouse | ~seen cladhaire |
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| 15:22.42 | Mike-N-Go | "Interface action failed because of AddOn" how do I see what the action was, or the addon? |
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| 15:23.00 | Industrial | id like to know that |
| 15:23.07 | Industrial | I seem to be causing it with my actionbuttons |
| 15:23.30 | dylanm | Uh taintlog? |
| 15:28.32 | haste | the event fires with the name of the add-on, but it's not always correct (actually it's mostly incorrect, it's better to read the taintlog) |
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| 15:40.22 | nevcairiel | any of the admins here? |
| 15:40.30 | nevcairiel | something funny is going on with my mapster =P |
| 15:42.42 | nevcairiel | pokes cladhaire |
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| 16:14.18 | Atriace | Can anyone read what this means? WoW is crashing on my mod (it seems): "Assertion: texture->asyncObject->size <= AsyncWaitBufferSize" |
| 16:15.28 | zenzelezz | are you using a large texture? |
| 16:15.33 | Atriace | 512x512 |
| 16:15.46 | zenzelezz | file size? |
| 16:15.52 | Atriace | blp compressed |
| 16:15.56 | Atriace | 88K, I think |
| 16:16.03 | zenzelezz | not sure then |
| 16:16.17 | Atriace | Ah, wait... 684K |
| 16:16.20 | zenzelezz | the error looks as if the texture is just too large for the buffer, but I don't know much about that |
| 16:16.25 | zenzelezz | that sounds like a lot |
| 16:17.15 | Atriace | Oddly enough, it only happens when targeting a Shattered Sun Marksman. At this time my unit frame does obj:SetTexture(filepath) |
| 16:17.51 | Drundia | it doesn't load all addon files before they are actually used |
| 16:18.12 | zenzelezz | caches the names but doesn't load, yeah |
| 16:19.16 | Atriace | Perhaps the solution would seem to be have multiple textures preloaded with the art and selectively obj:Show()/obj:Hide() as necessary. |
| 16:19.35 | zenzelezz | if my assumption about the error is correct, yes |
| 16:20.24 | Atriace | Curious: could I preload the textures to one object and then obj:SetTexture to any number of other objects without WoW having to recache the art file? |
| 16:21.08 | zenzelezz | afraid I'm not very familiar with those things, but I would think so |
| 16:28.41 | Atriace | MentalPower: ping |
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| 18:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Having two forum accounts is kinda fun. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5591101907&postId=56401164237&sid=1#4 |
| 18:20.25 | Duman | heh |
| 18:20.36 | Duman | it makes my needing to send my Horde character stuff a lot easier ;) |
| 18:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:20.49 | Duman | err, worst sentence ever |
| 18:20.52 | Duman | but you know what I mean |
| 18:21.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed on both points |
| 18:21.10 | Duman | hehe |
| 18:22.14 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: "May your name, be remembered... in infamy" ;D |
| 18:22.35 | kd3 | I'm still in shock that it's been nearly a week and I'm getting an @kd3 thread |
| 18:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | The other thread was bumped |
| 18:23.41 | Duman | heh |
| 18:24.28 | kd3 | ah |
| 18:24.55 | Duman | thread where? |
| 18:24.57 | Duman | oh, ptr forum? |
| 18:25.02 | Duman | people are still reading that? |
| 18:25.23 | kd3 | enough that hortus had to post "DO NOT REPORT LIVE BUGS IN THIS FORUM", apparently |
| 18:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Thread I linked |
| 18:25.34 | Duman | bwahaha |
| 18:26.26 | Duman | poor hortus |
| 18:26.42 | Duman | altho I always envision him like the guy from Grandma's Boy |
| 18:26.56 | Duman | that movie is hilarious |
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| 18:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. so I got curious and googled "kd3" - turns out that you have to go a few pages in before you find any references, and the first reference is actually wowinsider. They've got their own 'kd3' tag which they have apparently used twice: http://www.wowinsider.com/tag/kd3/ |
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| 18:40.53 | robertbh | #wowi-lounge |
| 18:41.01 | widgertick | ind33d |
| 18:41.03 | widgertick | You are here |
| 18:41.06 | widgertick | Well come, good sir |
| 18:41.50 | Cide | he's not welcome in my opinion. |
| 18:42.09 | robertbh | can someone help me with a CLEARED_AFK AND CLEARED_DND c stack overflow problem? |
| 18:42.45 | Cide | sounds like you hooked something bad(ly) |
| 18:42.52 | robertbh | probably |
| 18:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | wowi.pastey.net for your code |
| 18:43.54 | Tem | it sounds to me like you're generating a cleared_afk event inside of a cleared_afk handler |
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| 18:45.11 | robertbh | i'm using cleared_afk to auto say that i'm back |
| 18:45.27 | robertbh | would it trigger un afk because its typing somthing |
| 18:45.33 | Drundia | no |
| 18:45.41 | Drundia | automatic chat doesn't touch afk tag |
| 18:47.12 | Kirov | Well, yes and no |
| 18:47.41 | robertbh | code -> http://wowi.pastey.net/84648-4cah |
| 18:47.44 | robertbh | it's at the bottom |
| 18:47.46 | Kirov | I've seen situations where automated chat will clear the afk tag. It won't clear the real afk timer though. |
| 18:48.21 | Drundia | so you go back to afk |
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| 18:48.30 | Drundia | but i think it was fixed long time ago |
| 18:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 13 if (event=="CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_NEUTRAL") then |
| 18:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 14 |
| 18:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 15 if (arg1=="Let the battle for Warsong Gulch begin!") then |
| 18:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 16 DoEmote("TRAIN","none"); |
| 18:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You're a horrible person |
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| 18:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Just fyi |
| 18:50.06 | Drundia | haha |
| 18:50.26 | robertbh | it doesn't say "back!" 50 times if i make it a default_chat_frame text |
| 18:50.32 | Cide | uhh, is the proper argument "none"? |
| 18:50.37 | Cide | that doesn't make any sense |
| 18:50.49 | robertbh | where? |
| 18:50.58 | Cide | DoEmote("TRAIN","none") |
| 18:51.09 | Drundia | "none" is valid unitid |
| 18:51.14 | robertbh | that means its not directed at anyone |
| 18:51.16 | Cide | no it isn't |
| 18:51.20 | Drundia | yes it is |
| 18:51.22 | Cide | no it isn't |
| 18:51.35 | Drundia | it doesn't raise errors |
| 18:51.37 | AlexanderYoshi | how about DoEmote("TRAIN", nil)? |
| 18:51.38 | robertbh | DoEmote("wave","playername"); |
| 18:51.45 | Drundia | while "randomcrap" does |
| 18:51.56 | Cide | that doesn't mean it's a valid unitid |
| 18:52.21 | Drundia | it's more valid than "randomcrap" |
| 18:52.23 | Cide | well, actually you appear to be right |
| 18:52.28 | Drundia | it's literally "no unit" |
| 18:52.29 | Cide | I've never seen it used before |
| 18:52.39 | Cide | mostly because that unit id doesn't make much sense at all |
| 18:52.40 | robertbh | it's strait off of wowwiki |
| 18:52.52 | Kirov | wowiki is dumm! |
| 18:53.03 | Cide | AlexanderYoshi's suggestion makes a lot more sense imo |
| 18:53.04 | Drundia | well |
| 18:53.11 | Cide | but if "none" works, go for it |
| 18:53.16 | Drundia | they made all unitids not raise errors recently i guess |
| 18:53.16 | Cide | it's not very consistent though |
| 18:53.24 | Drundia | but "none" is more valid than "randomcrap" |
| 18:53.32 | Drundia | UnitName("none") => "Unknown" |
| 18:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: guessing, any invalid unitid is mapped to nil |
| 18:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And in the case of DoEmote() - that doesn't matter at all |
| 18:53.56 | Drundia | UnitName("randomcrap") => nil,nil |
| 18:53.58 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: apparently 'invalid' unitids raise an error |
| 18:54.04 | AlexanderYoshi | Choo choo |
| 18:54.09 | AlexanderYoshi | Chugga chugga |
| 18:54.10 | AlexanderYoshi | Choo choo |
| 18:54.17 | Cide | Drundia: right, I'm not contesting its validity |
| 18:54.22 | Kirov | UnitName("none") returns "Diediedie" for me... is that bad? |
| 18:54.23 | Cide | anymore, that is :P |
| 18:54.36 | Cide | Kirov: nah, that's to be expected. |
| 18:54.51 | nevcairiel | really? |
| 18:54.56 | AlexanderYoshi | That was coded extra special just for you |
| 18:55.01 | Kirov | yay! |
| 18:55.09 | Kirov | </sarcasm> |
| 18:55.39 | Kirov | Drundia - As far as I can tell WoW seems to have two seperate AFK timers |
| 18:55.40 | Drundia | DoEmote("dance", nil) does dance with target |
| 18:55.54 | robertbh | um, back to the actual problem? |
| 18:55.55 | Cide | Drundia: that's funny. and stupid |
| 18:56.49 | Kirov | One is a "real" afk timer that requires true input from the player. The other is a "fake" afk timer that exists client side only. They both seem to control the client side's AFK "event", but the client side one can be tricked by messages. |
| 18:57.03 | Cide | I think Kirov is right |
| 18:57.04 | Kirov | It is, unfortunatly, imediately reset by the real afk timer. |
| 18:57.27 | Drundia | DoEmote("emotename",UnitName("player")) is probably best way to do emote on no one |
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| 18:57.39 | Cide | "none" is better if it works |
| 18:57.52 | robertbh | it works fine |
| 18:57.56 | Drundia | it seems to take name, not unitid |
| 18:58.03 | Cide | that doesn't make any sense |
| 18:58.17 | robertbh | IT WORKS! |
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| 18:58.23 | Drundia | if i put "target" it does emote on no one |
| 18:58.41 | Cide | so do I win? |
| 18:58.42 | Kirov | Drundia - you basically have two options that I can see. Keep a local variable around to ingore the next un-afk. |
| 18:58.52 | Cide | bad |
| 18:58.59 | Drundia | it's not my problem with afks |
| 18:59.01 | Cide | unafk is bad because it spams chat with CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 18:59.08 | Drundia | someone else had c stack overflow |
| 18:59.18 | Cide | save afk state, un-afk, send message, set afk back to previous state |
| 18:59.57 | Kirov | Wait a half a second to send any message, hoping the two have resynced by then. |
| 19:00.10 | Kirov | Or use Cide's method which is probably the smartest |
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| 19:00.48 | robertbh | would a bool just be "public boolean afk = false;" in lua? |
| 19:00.57 | Cide | no |
| 19:01.01 | Cide | local afk = false; |
| 19:01.08 | robertbh | ah |
| 19:01.45 | Kirov | robertbh - lua is typeless, ie: variables don't have an inate type apart from what kind of data they're holding at any particular time. |
| 19:02.11 | robertbh | more like php than cpp i guess |
| 19:02.21 | Kirov | yes |
| 19:03.37 | Kirov | I've seen some programmers who name their lua variables based on the intended type if it's something that you like keeping track of. |
| 19:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | A "bool" would be 'afk = false' :) |
| 19:04.03 | Cide | Kirov: ugh. I hate that |
| 19:04.20 | Cide | even more so when the types may change |
| 19:04.24 | Drundia | i think it's not so much of "typeless" as "implicitly typed" |
| 19:04.32 | robertbh | wow do i use and in an if statment, &, and && aren't working? |
| 19:04.33 | NightHawkTheSane | nIDSomething, bAFK, sWhoTheFuckNamesVariablesLikeThis. >< |
| 19:04.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | if (x and y and z) then |
| 19:04.52 | Drundia | and or |
| 19:04.53 | Kirov | Cide - I do too, because I usually spend time trying to figure out what the first letter can stand for. |
| 19:04.54 | Cide | Drundia: the variable practially is of no type, it's a reference to a value |
| 19:04.59 | Cide | the value naturally has a type |
| 19:05.15 | Kirov | robert - "&&" == "and" |
| 19:05.16 | Kirov | literally |
| 19:05.28 | Cide | let's all save us some time here |
| 19:05.32 | Cide | robertbh: www.lua.org/pil |
| 19:05.33 | Kirov | lua.org |
| 19:05.39 | robertbh | lol |
| 19:05.39 | NightHawkTheSane | cide++ :P |
| 19:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: i've seen people use that first-letter-as-type naming scheme in strongly typed languages, drives me fucking batty. >< |
| 19:06.04 | Drundia | i like "x?y:z" as "x and y or z" |
| 19:06.16 | Cide | no |
| 19:06.18 | Cide | they're not equivalent |
| 19:06.23 | Drundia | they are almost |
| 19:06.25 | Drundia | :p |
| 19:06.27 | Cide | no |
| 19:06.36 | Drundia | only if y is lua false |
| 19:06.42 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - but see, that makes more sense than using it in a typeless language. |
| 19:06.43 | Cide | right |
| 19:06.44 | NightHawkTheSane | almost only counts in hand hand grenades, horse shoes, and global thermonuclear war. |
| 19:07.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there are some distinct situations where 'x and y or z' is -very- different from 'x?y:z' |
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| 19:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: arguably, but I find it equally stupid, as you can just -look- at the declaration to see the type. :P |
| 19:07.33 | Cide | and if it isn't, it still only holds for languages that implement short-circuit logic, and it also relies on the boolean operators to return a value (as opposed to strictly true/false) |
| 19:07.40 | MentalPower | Atriace: pong! |
| 19:07.42 | Drundia | as long as y is neither false nor nil it works fine |
| 19:07.48 | Cide | in lua, sure. |
| 19:08.02 | Drundia | yes we are talking lua ofc |
| 19:08.10 | Drundia | or i am |
| 19:08.56 | Cide | you were :P |
| 19:08.56 | Cide | but you didn't specify what language |
| 19:08.56 | robertbh | it still hits a c stack with the boolean in there |
| 19:08.58 | Kirov | I prefer arimaic |
| 19:09.02 | Drundia | poor c stack |
| 19:09.17 | Drundia | don't hit c stack or it once hits you back! (forgot caps) |
| 19:09.59 | Atriace | MentalPower: gasp! I left on a trip and came back and you only just now ponged!!? |
| 19:10.41 | Kirov | Atriace - the powers of Mental's sleeping ability knows no bounds |
| 19:10.47 | robertbh | it works if i switch the bool before the sendchatmessage though :) |
| 19:11.37 | Atriace | MentalPower: was wondering if you knew whether once a texture is cached in WoW if any object which uses SetTexture won't need to cache the image again? |
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| 19:13.34 | Atriace | example: objA uses evilTexture. objB:SetTexture(evilTexture). Will objB require a recache? |
| 19:14.15 | MentalPower | Atriace: afaik, no |
| 19:14.33 | MentalPower | afaik, the texture once loaded will require a reloadui to be re-loaded |
| 19:14.45 | MentalPower | and its loaded when first requested |
| 19:15.06 | robertbh | works now, thanks guys! |
| 19:15.54 | Drundia | hmm "UIObject[0] = nil" => make UIObject pure garbage? |
| 19:17.01 | MentalPower | Drundia: go test! |
| 19:17.17 | MentalPower | I'm sure it can't be any worse than just UIParent = nil |
| 19:17.36 | Drundia | apparently it will give error "attempt to find 'this' is non-framescript object" |
| 19:17.42 | Drundia | if you try to deal with it |
| 19:18.03 | Cide | setmetatable(UIObject, { __metatable = true }) |
| 19:19.09 | Kirov | Ooo, I wonder if I can find that old "evil lua scripts" thread |
| 19:19.23 | Drundia | this like just prevents further modifications to metatable or? |
| 19:19.34 | Drundia | WorldFrame:Hide() is one of the most evil |
| 19:19.47 | Cide | Drundia: and it removes the current one |
| 19:19.50 | Cide | making the frame useless |
| 19:20.19 | Drundia | it does? |
| 19:20.22 | Drundia | oh right |
| 19:20.25 | Drundia | no metatable |
| 19:20.26 | Drundia | but |
| 19:20.33 | Drundia | you can still use function from other metatable |
| 19:20.42 | Drundia | like UIParent.Show(UIObject) |
| 19:20.55 | Drundia | instead of UIObject:Show() |
| 19:20.58 | Cide | right |
| 19:21.21 | MentalPower | actually, now that UIObject would need to be of the same type |
| 19:21.53 | Drundia | well yeah, for the same metatable |
| 19:22.14 | Cide | I got an evil one for ya |
| 19:22.22 | Cide | /script while ( true ) do end |
| 19:22.39 | Drundia | but there is UIObject:GetObjectType() isn't it? |
| 19:23.01 | Gnarfoz | Cide: what's with the parentheses? ;] |
| 19:23.10 | Cide | Gnarfoz: personal taste? |
| 19:23.20 | Cide | want me to strip semicolons from my files as well? |
| 19:23.21 | Drundia | old c habbit maybe? |
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| 19:23.26 | Cide | nope |
| 19:23.29 | Gnarfoz | yes pls :( |
| 19:23.37 | Kirov | I hate that sooo much |
| 19:23.54 | Dreagar | hey anyone have input on why Frame:Hide() don't seem to work on my addons main frame anymore? :) want a pastey? |
| 19:23.57 | Kirov | writing lua w/o semi-colons then having to write in another language... gah |
| 19:24.31 | Drundia | i learned to not forget them and still forget now and then |
| 19:24.43 | Drundia | good that lua allows them |
| 19:25.08 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/84655 The last line doesn't work, and that's the main frame of the addon. worked fine before patch. |
| 19:25.58 | Dreagar | any input? :) |
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| 19:26.27 | Drundia | did you somehow secure frame and got in combat? maybe something shows it? |
| 19:27.14 | Drundia | Iriel, ChatFrame2 scrolling causes framerate lag |
| 19:27.16 | Dreagar | there's a /slash command that shows it. that's bout it. frame is setup in xml |
| 19:27.20 | Drundia | It doesn't depend on max lines |
| 19:27.27 | Drundia | if it's currently on its top or bottom it lags |
| 19:27.32 | Drundia | if it's in the middle it doesn't |
| 19:27.47 | Drundia | On Hyjal trash for example difference is 15-20 vs 2-4 |
| 19:28.02 | Iriel | Hm, is that because of the sheer volume of data? |
| 19:28.17 | Drundia | i don't know |
| 19:28.24 | Drundia | but if visible data doesn't change |
| 19:28.27 | Drundia | no lag |
| 19:28.32 | Dreagar | not in combat, in the inn in area 52. how does one secure the frame? |
| 19:28.42 | Drundia | i was even using /script local a=GetTime(); for i=1,100 do ChatFrame2:AddMessage('test'); end; local b=GetTime(); print(b-a); |
| 19:28.46 | Mike-N-Go | I got me Tauren a [Swift White Hawkstrider]! |
| 19:28.50 | Drundia | and if it's at bottom it lags |
| 19:28.53 | Drundia | else it doesn't |
| 19:29.01 | Drundia | like 30 ms difference |
| 19:29.03 | MentalPower | Drundia: this is not news |
| 19:29.06 | Iriel | What about the same test on ChatFrame1 ? |
| 19:29.23 | Drundia | i think some other frames were more resilient to it |
| 19:29.28 | Drundia | i think it could be icons |
| 19:29.42 | MentalPower | ChatFrame2 is the combatlog frame by default |
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| 19:29.58 | MentalPower | but yes, constantly adding stuff to a chatframe lags the client |
| 19:30.23 | dylanm | Mike-N-Go: That poor bird. |
| 19:30.26 | Drundia | without icons it's faster |
| 19:30.28 | Iriel | nods, i'd expect ALL chatframes to behave the same tho |
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| 19:30.35 | Drundia | right now no icons in chatframe2 |
| 19:30.48 | Drundia | and size of frame doesn't seem to matter |
| 19:30.53 | Drundia | MaxLines that is |
| 19:31.00 | Drundia | can be 100, 200, 30000.... |
| 19:31.01 | Gnarfoz | since when is that expected behaviour? neither combatlog nor chat spam was lagging me by any amount before 2.4 oO |
| 19:31.02 | Iriel | That's also what i'd expect |
| 19:31.23 | Iriel | the combat log has a LOT of |c coding, i'm sure that doesn't help |
| 19:31.35 | Drundia | but it didn't lag either |
| 19:31.43 | Drundia | many people used some color coding addons |
| 19:31.44 | MentalPower | Gnarfoz: cause you never add 100 lines every frame |
| 19:31.53 | Drundia | though i think i had something against links |
| 19:32.17 | Iriel | I'll note i'm not trying to say there isn't a problem - just that we really need to characterize the issues with some detail |
| 19:32.18 | Gnarfoz | MentalPower: I am not doing that now, either. Drundia only used that as an example, he gets lag on normal combat stuff like Hyjal trash, too. |
| 19:32.33 | Drundia | yes |
| 19:32.37 | Drundia | hyjal trash is a problem |
| 19:32.41 | Drundia | i scroll one line up |
| 19:32.46 | Drundia | and back to 15-20 from 2-4 |
| 19:32.55 | Dreagar | hmm. pretty sure my frames aren't secured. just a window to show the leveling info. ie. go to loc to pickup quest x. |
| 19:32.57 | MentalPower | Gnarfoz: I've experienced that with MC and BWL back in the day |
| 19:32.57 | Drundia | that's some massive framerate lag |
| 19:33.01 | Drundia | come on, 5 times |
| 19:33.10 | Dreagar | again seemed to hide the frame fine before the patch. :( |
| 19:33.31 | Drundia | luckily scrolling up works if it's large enough |
| 19:33.40 | Iriel | Dreagar: Sorry I wasn't here at the start of your conversation --- what frame? Does it have any protected children? |
| 19:33.42 | Kirov | Dreagar - does just /script MM_Frame:Hide() work? |
| 19:33.45 | MentalPower | Drundia: to verify, create a new ScrollingMessageFrame (or whatever the ChatFrame1 type is) and test on that one |
| 19:34.04 | Drundia | i was thinking about some stress script |
| 19:34.08 | Drundia | with some icons and without |
| 19:34.11 | Dreagar | i'll check |
| 19:34.21 | Drundia | that would add messages on OnUpdate or something |
| 19:34.25 | Dreagar | sure does |
| 19:34.29 | Kirov | Dreagar - also, for us to really help we'll need more of the code that just the small little bit. |
| 19:34.50 | Kirov | Also, do you have UI errors turned on? |
| 19:35.10 | Kirov | My first guess is that function is erroring before it gets to the final line. |
| 19:36.02 | Dreagar | ok, i'll pastey the whole thing but there's a lot. i haven't optimized it yet. and yes i have erros turned on, and don't get any. :( it closes all the other frames, just not the main one. i put the line on the end to try to get it working properly, had it at the beginning of the funciton first, and it still did the same thing. closed all the other frames just not the main one. but the /script worked. |
| 19:36.43 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/84660 |
| 19:36.43 | MentalPower | Drundia: also, use debugprofilestart()/debugprofilestop() for timing |
| 19:36.53 | Kirov | Dreagar - try putting a print between every line and the end to see if it's actually getting through. |
| 19:36.54 | Dreagar | that's the entire LUA |
| 19:36.57 | Kirov | Evil, but effective |
| 19:36.57 | Dreagar | check |
| 19:37.22 | Drundia | does that stop function return time? |
| 19:39.39 | Vilkku | has anyone here played around with the new Blizzard totem timers yet? more specifically, I want to hide the countdown timers |
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| 19:40.18 | Dreagar | put those lines in, and they all print out, even the one after the MM_Frame:Hide(). but frame still don't go away. :( |
| 19:41.40 | Drundia | as for scrolling chatframe2 on new messages |
| 19:41.46 | Drundia | when i checked more (not now) |
| 19:41.54 | Drundia | i found that the process of scrolling seems to cause lag |
| 19:42.01 | Drundia | you can add 1000 messages in about the same time |
| 19:42.22 | Drundia | if it scrolls it's about the same overhead |
| 19:42.34 | Drundia | but i think it could be just because it has only a few lines visible |
| 19:43.27 | MentalPower | Drundia: ...stop() returns the time in millisecs (with sub-millisec precision) since the last call to ...start() |
| 19:43.52 | Iriel | Drundia: I'm not sure exactly what you're describing "add 1000 messages in about the same time" versus "if it scrolls" -- Do you think there's anything that's an issue beyond "A full repaint of a ScrollingMessageFrame seems to be slow" |
| 19:43.59 | Dreagar | Also, the frame is hidden when the world map opens. and that works fine as well. :( it's just the one int he close function that doesn't work |
| 19:45.55 | Drundia | i don't know |
| 19:46.00 | Drundia | maybe full repaint is a problem |
| 19:46.33 | Dreagar | as a side note, I get an error when tryin to use TomTom to insert a waypoint as well, but that i'm not worried about. just wanna make the clsoe button work properly. lool |
| 19:46.35 | Drundia | 1.9 vs 0.3 ms for adding 20 messages each with icon to ChatFrame4 |
| 19:46.45 | Iriel | The test would likely be scrolling-by-addition versus scrolling a fixed set of messages |
| 19:47.00 | Iriel | that would isolate 'new message' overhead from 'scroll/repaint' overhead |
| 19:47.12 | Drundia | hmm perhaps scrolling is a problem |
| 19:47.19 | Drundia | or repainting |
| 19:47.21 | Drundia | not addition |
| 19:47.35 | Iriel | grab the scrollbar and wiggle it |
| 19:47.38 | Drundia | addition isn't a problem if it doesn't cause any visible changes |
| 19:47.40 | Iriel | that's a quick and dirty test 8-) |
| 19:47.52 | Drundia | well yeah |
| 19:48.00 | Drundia | spamming scrolling by pages |
| 19:48.06 | Drundia | halved my framerate just now |
| 19:48.10 | Drundia | from 35 to 15 |
| 19:48.40 | Drundia | now i managed to see 11 on titan |
| 19:48.48 | Drundia | vs 35-40 without scrolling |
| 19:49.32 | Drundia | control-mousewheel with ct_core chat scrolling enabled |
| 19:49.33 | AbsoRayne | The guards in Isle of Quel are way too OP |
| 19:49.51 | Drundia | that's clearly far too much of a loss |
| 19:50.09 | Iriel | Well, it _may_ be that it is what it is, but it does sound worthy of investigation |
| 19:50.30 | Iriel | I'll pass it on and I guess we'll see. |
| 19:51.48 | Drundia | AbsoRayne, apparently you can attack them when they aggro you |
| 19:51.53 | Drundia | try to kill them |
| 19:52.58 | Drundia | is it new feature from patch that you can attack neutral guards when they become red? |
| 19:53.36 | Drundia | though i wonder rep cost for killing them |
| 19:53.40 | Dreagar | hmm. since it works to close the frame when the world map opens. i copy and pasted the code that closed it there into the close function, and still it doesn't close that main window, but allt he others just fine. |
| 19:53.46 | Drundia | something like 15k like for silithus flight masters? |
| 19:54.01 | Dreagar | argh, gotta go feed my lil one. brb |
| 19:56.02 | Dreagar | yay not hungry, any more ideas? :) |
| 19:59.07 | Dreagar | bah i quit, maybe it'll show itself later. gonna work on makin it transparent til mouseover. :) |
| 19:59.12 | Dreagar | thanks ya'll. |
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| 20:13.23 | Drundia | Iriel, anyways, time overhead of visible addition is also of some concern because AddMessage() takes more time in such case |
| 20:13.40 | Iriel | Yes, but no sense in trying to fix the wrong issue |
| 20:13.53 | Drundia | but it probably just updates lines that should be rendered |
| 20:13.55 | Iriel | if AddMessage is fine when it doesn't scroll, but not fine when it does, fixing rendering should be sufficient |
| 20:14.07 | Drundia | which causes overhead |
| 20:14.12 | Drundia | further overhead is elsewhere |
| 20:14.26 | Iriel | I've asked if they're aware of issues in the performance of rendering ScrollingMessageFrames |
| 20:15.00 | Iriel | If you wanted to script up some benchmarks into a simple test addon, and post it on the forum, that'd be cool |
| 20:15.21 | Iriel | 'time to add 1000 visible messages, versus time to add 1000 messages that dont cause scroll, versus time to scroll without adding messages' |
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| 20:20.07 | cog|away | any free VMs out there that can do hardware graphics acceleration? |
| 20:20.18 | Iriel | Which O/S? |
| 20:20.23 | Iriel | (host O/S) |
| 20:22.08 | MentalPower | windows or linux |
| 20:22.32 | Industrial | Somehow without having done any turnings for scryers yet I have become unfriendly with them by completing an aldor quest (had no idea it was an aldor quest). Now they won't talk to me so I can't turn in my signets. Is there a quest I can do to become neutral again? |
| 20:23.16 | Iriel | Have you not allied yourself with them? |
| 20:23.25 | Iriel | I thought the rep bump from that would pretty significant |
| 20:23.49 | Industrial | well im unfriendly again now :s |
| 20:23.59 | Industrial | I did pick scryers after the tour |
| 20:24.02 | Industrial | through shat |
| 20:24.11 | Nargiddley | theres a quest in shatt to do it |
| 20:24.18 | Nargiddley | down the ramp next to the aldor bank |
| 20:24.34 | Iriel | I'm really surprised that your aldor quest was enough to undo that! |
| 20:24.52 | Drundia | akil'zon bugged timers ftl :( |
| 20:25.24 | Industrial | oh got it, basilisk eyes :\ |
| 20:25.50 | Industrial | yeah the quest I turned in was the venom sacs from the spiders |
| 20:26.01 | Industrial | which is the opposite, becomeing aldor |
| 20:26.13 | Drundia | now i added messages when frame is scrolled to top |
| 20:26.14 | Industrial | (I'm just after XP anyway :p) |
| 20:26.26 | Drundia | time is average |
| 20:26.32 | Nargiddley | those are the 2 repeatable ones to switch if you really want to |
| 20:26.33 | Drundia | with high being scrolled at bottom |
| 20:26.39 | Drundia | low being scrolled in the middle |
| 20:27.12 | Drundia | i'm confused |
| 20:31.35 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: your a drenaei arent you? |
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| 20:37.01 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: I am |
| 20:37.42 | Industrial | np: Lena Park - Inori |
| 20:42.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah so since you started off as unfriendly with scryer you got just enough rep from selecting scryer that the 1 aldor quest put you back to unfriendly |
| 20:47.08 | Industrial | right. |
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| 20:58.42 | art3mis | Mac OS XÂ’s reputation for security was tarnished Thursday when a team of researchers from Independent Security Evaluators (ISE) managed to hack a MacBook Air in two minutes using a zero-day vulnerability in AppleÂ’s Safari 3.1 Web browser. |
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| 21:06.18 | dylanm | Fix for that just got checked into webkit. |
| 21:11.10 | Iriel | That's a bit misleading |
| 21:11.25 | Iriel | Didn't it already go a whole day without falling to any 'externally explotiable' issues |
| 21:12.03 | amro | apparently restrictions were relaxed in the second day |
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| 21:15.08 | MentalPower | !api GetAuctionItemInfo |
| 21:15.09 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetAuctionItemInfo' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 21:17.45 | haste | oh shi- |
| 21:18.54 | dylanm | Haha. |
| 21:20.34 | Drundia | evil bot should learn wow api |
| 21:22.05 | zenzelezz | lua> 500/20 |
| 21:22.05 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 25 |
| 21:22.26 | zenzelezz | lua> 420/20 |
| 21:22.26 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 21 |
| 21:22.40 | zenzelezz | Void Crystal prices seem fairly low on my realm now |
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| 21:26.03 | MentalPower | howdy netcurse, back in the homeland? |
| 21:26.26 | netcurse | op :) |
| 21:26.28 | netcurse | nop |
| 21:26.32 | netcurse | Still in paris |
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| 21:27.24 | netcurse | accepted you inv btw ;) |
| 21:27.33 | netcurse | your* |
| 21:28.48 | MentalPower | noticed, thanks |
| 21:29.58 | zenzelezz | I hate when PvP gear shares models with tier gear... I keep thinking "man, I didn't know *that* guild took Archimonde" |
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| 21:34.38 | dylanm | zenzelezz: Yeah it's hard to tell sometimes |
| 21:34.57 | dylanm | The shaman gear is so bright that you can easily tell if it's s3. |
| 21:36.35 | Guillotine | If anybody wants to participate in the greatest April fools of all time, I need a .wav of the rickroll song and .tga version of every .5 second interval in the video |
| 21:36.52 | Guillotine | (I think you can see where I'm going with this) |
| 21:37.28 | Iriel | Hell? |
| 21:37.32 | Guillotine | Probably |
| 21:38.01 | zenzelezz | I've never heard a/the rick roll song, to the best of my knowledge |
| 21:38.14 | dylanm | Then I have a very interesting link for you. |
| 21:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: lol |
| 21:38.26 | NightHawkTheSane | dylanm: haha |
| 21:38.49 | zenzelezz | dylanm: won't help, I don't have any sound devices configured for this computer (which is probably the reason I've never heard it) |
| 21:39.29 | zenzelezz | also have Flashblock which has stopped me from viewing most of the videos too |
| 21:39.57 | Guillotine | But seriously, if I can get that, I am so making a rickrolling addon. I already have the backend in the old magical trevor addon. And then I'll put it in the Ace2 folder on the SVN >.> |
| 21:40.03 | Guillotine | actually, I'd probably be killed for that |
| 21:40.08 | Guillotine | maybe just release it in my own addons |
| 21:40.39 | zenzelezz | the best april fools joke I've seen, even if it was obvious, was when BeyondUnreal made their forum use the M0rumPlanet theme |
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| 21:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Got a better one. |
| 21:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | The site I was an admin of (yay death) threw in custom bbcode |
| 21:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "itsame" --> forum user name |
| 21:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Posted a new topic |
| 21:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Topic: "Sorry it had to come to this..." |
| 21:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Body: "But we're banning itsame. That is all." |
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| 21:43.51 | ScytheBlade1 | BOOM. Thread filled up with countless people asking why they were being banned. |
| 21:43.52 | Drundia | bah, evil "Self" filter doesn't show my actions under MC |
| 21:44.42 | art3mis | Iriel: yeah the first day all 3 OS's withstood the remote exploits so they opened up mail web news exploiting |
| 21:44.54 | art3mis | and safari lost in 2 mins ;P |
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| 21:53.18 | MentalPower | Guillotine: it plays mp3's too |
| 21:53.28 | Guillotine | well, I think the sound will be the easy part |
| 21:53.44 | Guillotine | its mass exporting the keyframes that I'm not quite sure how to do easily |
| 21:54.28 | MentalPower | whats the youtube to it? |
| 21:55.41 | art3mis | <pneumonia> I need to learn how to kill faster |
| 21:55.41 | art3mis | <pneumonia> :( |
| 21:55.42 | art3mis | <MrM000Cow> smash more buttons |
| 21:55.43 | art3mis | <PureL> this isnt Tekken MrM000Cow |
| 21:56.02 | art3mis | heh |
| 21:57.36 | MentalPower | Guillotine: nm, got it |
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| 22:01.26 | Cide | bleh, I had hoped the changes blizzard made to arena queues for lower brackets was gonna help |
| 22:03.18 | Cairenn | ROFL! |
| 22:03.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.32 | kd3 | lmao |
| 22:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 22:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "Last Saturday, griefers posted hundreds of bogus messages on the support forums of the nonprofit Epilepsy Foundation that used JavaScript and strobing GIFs to trigger migraines and seizures in users." |
| 22:10.24 | Guillotine | wow, that is HORRIBLE |
| 22:10.33 | mikma | yeah it is. anyway, haahahahahah |
| 22:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/03/epilepsy |
| 22:10.36 | mikma | people can be so cruel |
| 22:10.52 | Guillotine | Cide: it lowered 1-2 mins off the 6-8 min queues in our battlegroup |
| 22:11.05 | Cairenn | that's pretty awful |
| 22:11.56 | mikma | but why am i laughing :O |
| 22:11.59 | Cairenn | I hope like hell they take it to the authories and track down the people that did it |
| 22:12.29 | Cairenn | "inflict physical harm on the victims" |
| 22:12.35 | Cairenn | that's just not cool |
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| 22:13.51 | testlek | Hey folks got a quickie here, how does one go about rounding any non number up to the next whole number? (IE 2.01 needs to round to 3 or 1.0002 needs to round to 2) |
| 22:14.10 | widgertick | math.ceil |
| 22:14.11 | Guillotine | math.ceil |
| 22:14.13 | Guillotine | dammit |
| 22:14.14 | widgertick | WIN |
| 22:14.15 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 22:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:14.25 | testlek | ty ty :) |
| 22:14.30 | Shirik | how exactly is that hacking? |
| 22:15.14 | lagger` | what are the args called that are passed to OnVerticalScroll? |
| 22:15.21 | MentalPower | Guillotine: I got the 5k+ TGAs (222KB each) |
| 22:15.45 | Guillotine | wow, that many? I might have to just take 2 second increments |
| 22:15.51 | lagger` | nvm i found out its self,offset |
| 22:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: put them down, walk away from the computer, and we'll leave you alone |
| 22:16.04 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: lol |
| 22:16.16 | Guillotine | This is going to be so much win |
| 22:16.45 | MentalPower | Guillotine: they'll have to be re-sampled tho, since they're not 2^n |
| 22:16.51 | Guillotine | hmm, ok |
| 22:17.00 | Guillotine | I should be able to do that |
| 22:17.03 | MentalPower | 320x264 |
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| 22:17.38 | Guillotine | Maybe I should just do the song and a loop |
| 22:17.41 | Guillotine | of about 5 images |
| 22:17.43 | MentalPower | final tally 5,270 frames, 1.06GB |
| 22:17.51 | Guillotine | people are going to know somethings up if they download a 1.06GB addon |
| 22:18.05 | MentalPower | lol |
| 22:18.07 | Cide | that's what I did for /ratrevor |
| 22:18.15 | Cide | actually I had the song and two images |
| 22:18.16 | amro | WotLK in an addon |
| 22:18.20 | zenzelezz | Guillotine: they sure would feel rick rolled if they did |
| 22:18.27 | Guillotine | zenzelzz: lol |
| 22:20.27 | Guillotine | MP: alright, I have the sound. So lets try to find around 5 images we can loop for a rickroll effect |
| 22:23.17 | MentalPower | compressed size of all the TGAs is about 270MB |
| 22:23.28 | MentalPower | lemme see if I can select a few sample frames |
| 22:24.03 | MentalPower | Guillotine: theres one option we haven't considered |
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| 22:24.11 | MentalPower | I think we can play videos in WoW |
| 22:24.17 | Guillotine | Wait |
| 22:24.19 | Guillotine | how? |
| 22:24.23 | MentalPower | one sec |
| 22:24.52 | Guillotine | If we can, that would just be amazing |
| 22:25.15 | ScytheBlade1 | They just need to throw LuaSocket into WoW and call it good, imo |
| 22:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The things I could do with that would be epic |
| 22:25.26 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:25.38 | Guillotine | you know it won't happen though |
| 22:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure it will! |
| 22:25.45 | Guillotine | armory'ing enemies in arena ftw |
| 22:25.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Once I convince them to break the sandbox entirely, that is |
| 22:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, they force the user-agent to be "WoW/Major.Minor.Patch" and disallow all accesses from that user agent |
| 22:26.29 | Guillotine | I actually found a way to kind of do that. You can edit LoD addons before they are loaded. So you just have several hundred and load them in increments of 10 seconds |
| 22:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:26.52 | Guillotine | and you can use screenshots of barcodes to get data out of woW |
| 22:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty creative, I won't lie |
| 22:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (The LoD addons) |
| 22:27.18 | Guillotine | I had an addon/script posting live NHL scores in guild chat before my old laptop was stolen |
| 22:28.21 | Iriel | that LoD approach was discussed at length when LoD addons got started, there's sufficient inherent limitation (you have to pre-generate them, and there's a finite limit) that I think slouken decided to let it go |
| 22:28.42 | Iriel | They can always put a fixed upper bound on the number of addons you can load, or hash files on startup. |
| 22:28.48 | Guillotine | yup |
| 22:29.05 | Iriel | of course, knowing such an irritiating restriction was your fault should be enough to stop anyone from doing anything stupid with it 8-) |
| 22:29.32 | Guillotine | eh, I'm sure it would be a restriction that wouldn't affect the average user |
| 22:29.50 | Industrial | hmm my auctionhouse char has too many green crappy equipment thats too valuable to vendor but is clogging up his bagspace. Say I make a char and then send mail to it, will I get it back automatically in 29 days? |
| 22:30.00 | Guillotine | but really, you do need a LOT of the LoD addons if you want it to import data at any normal period. I had every 5 mins, so it was on problem |
| 22:30.12 | Iriel | Yeah, but it might be annoying to the entire development community |
| 22:30.15 | amro | Industrial: you do, but after that it gets lost after 29 days |
| 22:30.21 | Industrial | amro: okay |
| 22:30.33 | Iriel | After 58 days, total |
| 22:30.34 | Industrial | amro: but its unlimited storage right? |
| 22:31.02 | Guillotine | not really |
| 22:31.05 | Guillotine | but its a large amount |
| 22:31.11 | amro | Industrial: pretty much, but there's a mailbox limit. I think it tells you and queues incoming mails |
| 22:31.13 | Guillotine | i think 5 pages max before mailbox caps out |
| 22:31.44 | sys_rage | wow that epilepsy thing is all sorts of fubar. |
| 22:32.21 | Industrial | ok |
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| 22:34.10 | mikma | Wobin: hi, did the code work well with Xparky? |
| 22:34.19 | Wobin | no idea |
| 22:34.28 | Wobin | I've yet to actually incorporate it until I have the basic stuff working |
| 22:34.48 | Wobin | I might run into issues when the bar is anything but left to right horizontal though |
| 22:35.22 | Dreagar | ok, i'm gonna see if i can get any ideas once more before i quit for the day. here's the problem. |
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| 22:35.54 | Iriel | Dreagar: Pastey your code before you start describing the issue |
| 22:36.07 | Dreagar | kk |
| 22:36.41 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/84682 |
| 22:36.42 | mikma | if Iriel == "sucks" then lol() else rofl() end |
| 22:37.12 | Cairenn | mikma: ?! |
| 22:37.25 | mikma | Cairenn: purr? |
| 22:37.35 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 22:37.38 | MentalPower | Guillotine: still researching |
| 22:37.44 | Dreagar | OK, in the close button function, it closes all the frames, except the MM_Frame does not close. in another function which closes the frame when the worldmap is opened it clsoes just fine. problem is, i can't get the close button to close the main MM_Frame, though it does close all the other frames. |
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| 22:40.09 | Atriace | Is this correct? |
| 22:40.11 | Atriace | function():function() |
| 22:40.40 | Cide | what? |
| 22:41.09 | Atriace | assuming functionA() returns an object name... functionA():Show() |
| 22:41.09 | Iriel | Atriace: if the first function returns a table, yes |
| 22:41.17 | Iriel | OBJECT not OBJECT NAME |
| 22:41.39 | Iriel | Draegar : Where's the XML? is there any? |
| 22:41.45 | Dreagar | sure ill pastey it |
| 22:42.07 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/84683 |
| 22:42.46 | Corrodias | HOLY CRAP, OBJECT? |
| 22:43.27 | mikma | blobject! |
| 22:44.21 | Dreagar | what confuses me, is that it closes the frame fine in the MM_Frame_OnEvent function, just not in the MM_Close_Button_OnClick function. all the other frames close, just not that stupid main one. and /script MM_Frame:Hide() works to hide that frame. |
| 22:44.29 | Kirov | I just thought of an addon idea. A Sheep / Banish / Seduce timer / watcher in the form of the shaman totem "pets" |
| 22:44.55 | mikma | Controlfrea |
| 22:44.57 | mikma | +k |
| 22:45.47 | Iriel | Dreagar: and it has nothing to do with the MM_Frame:Show() in your slash command func? |
| 22:46.32 | Iriel | Dreagar: Humor me and try with that line commented out |
| 22:47.03 | Dreagar | sure gimmie one sec |
| 22:48.23 | Dreagar | still no workie. |
| 22:48.36 | Iriel | Try this.. |
| 22:48.43 | Dreagar | crap my lil one is callin me, i'll brb. |
| 22:48.45 | Dreagar | sigh |
| 22:48.57 | Iriel | put a debug statement before and after the MM_Frame:Hide(), output a message plus tostring(MM_Frame:IsShown()) |
| 22:49.08 | Iriel | your options are a) you didn't hide it or b) Something is showing it again |
| 22:55.01 | Dreagar | check |
| 22:55.06 | Dreagar | ill see what comes out |
| 22:59.14 | Dreagar | ok, before the line MM_Frame:Hide() the output for IsShown() = 1, after that line output is nil. |
| 23:00.21 | Dreagar | that means the frame is saying it's not shown? |
| 23:01.09 | mikma | yeah, after the Hide() it's not shown |
| 23:01.30 | Dreagar | but it's still showing. lol |
| 23:01.52 | mikma | is it secure, are you in combat, etc? |
| 23:02.02 | Dreagar | i'm pretty sure that none of the elements on the frame are secure. and i'm definitely not in combat |
| 23:02.04 | Iriel | mikma: that's irrelevant, it says it's hidden |
| 23:02.09 | Drundia | then something shows it |
| 23:02.17 | Drundia | try to hook Show() function |
| 23:02.24 | Drundia | and put there something like debugstack() |
| 23:02.31 | mikma | then you have a duplicate thingy over it that is being shown and the real thing is hidden |
| 23:02.53 | Iriel | Did you remember to make it the parrent of the things inside it? |
| 23:02.56 | Drundia | and find the caller |
| 23:03.15 | Dreagar | yes. sure did. and keep in mind, when you open the world map, it hides the MM_Frame and that works. |
| 23:03.18 | Drundia | when you actually hide it what does it say for IsShown()? |
| 23:03.20 | Drundia | or |
| 23:03.22 | Dreagar | nil |
| 23:03.26 | Drundia | when you think it's actually visible |
| 23:03.41 | Dreagar | it says nil right after the line MM_Frame:Hide() |
| 23:03.42 | Drundia | not immediately after Hide() |
| 23:03.44 | Iriel | But it hides a crapload of other things |
| 23:03.54 | Iriel | Actually, try this.. |
| 23:03.57 | Iriel | hit the close button |
| 23:03.58 | Dreagar | and it hides al the other frames used in the addon |
| 23:04.15 | Iriel | Oh, NM, you already tried hiding it manually with /script and say it works |
| 23:04.21 | Dreagar | yup. it does |
| 23:04.28 | Drundia | then try to find Show() |
| 23:04.32 | Drundia | with debugstack |
| 23:04.51 | mikma | what does framestack say when you mouseover it? |
| 23:05.24 | Dreagar | i'm not sure i have that installed. |
| 23:05.40 | Dreagar | i think i got rid of it when i redid my addons for 2.4 and forgot to put it back |
| 23:06.01 | mikma | well get Iriel's DevTools |
| 23:06.57 | Drundia | Iriel's DevTools. zomgs gief! where? |
| 23:07.03 | Drundia | i want them too |
| 23:07.05 | Drundia | haha |
| 23:07.05 | Tem | ~devtools |
| 23:07.06 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 23:07.23 | Drundia | thankies |
| 23:07.25 | Wobin | or WMC |
| 23:07.52 | mikma | Wobin's Mega Co.. |
| 23:07.58 | Wobin | Where's My Cow |
| 23:07.59 | Wobin | duh |
| 23:08.26 | Dreagar | ok got it lemme see. |
| 23:09.24 | Dreagar | says MM_Frame |
| 23:09.56 | Dreagar | would it help to do a /dump expression on the close function? |
| 23:11.31 | mikma | then you have a taint. :( |
| 23:12.35 | Dreagar | aw hell |
| 23:12.45 | Dreagar | it worked before the patch. :( |
| 23:14.33 | Dreagar | did another output at the end of the function and it's still sayin nil. :( |
| 23:14.56 | Iriel | For laughs... |
| 23:15.03 | Dreagar | uh huh |
| 23:15.08 | Dreagar | i'm into laughin |
| 23:15.09 | Iriel | try ooutputting tostring(MM_Frame) in the close function |
| 23:15.11 | mikma | and a stupid question: have you reloaded your ui in between? |
| 23:15.30 | Dreagar | yeah i have mik. and i'll try that iriel. one sec |
| 23:15.44 | Iriel | then do /dump tostring(MM_Frame) afterwards |
| 23:15.47 | Iriel | and check you get the same result |
| 23:16.19 | Guillotine | widgertick: you know anything about the MovieFrame frame type on the required format to get a movie to play in one? |
| 23:17.01 | Guillotine | or anybody else for that matter? |
| 23:17.09 | Dreagar | it says table: 26b33a28 iriel |
| 23:17.34 | Dreagar | yup. same thing. |
| 23:18.31 | Iriel | Then something somewhere is reshowing it |
| 23:18.41 | Iriel | You'll have to do the OnShow thing.. do this |
| 23:19.17 | Dreagar | hmm prolly has somethin to do with the OnEvent function. ... ok. listenin. |
| 23:19.18 | Iriel | ... /script MM_Frame:SetScript("OnShow", function() ChatFrame1:AddMessage(debugstack()) end); |
| 23:21.15 | Dreagar | ah hah! i found it. :) |
| 23:21.30 | Dreagar | it is in the OnEvent Fucntion taht shows the frame after the world map closes. |
| 23:22.09 | Iriel | Is it forgetting to track whether the frame SHOULD have been open? |
| 23:22.30 | Dreagar | yeah, i had problems with that when i created the function to close it with the worldmap open. |
| 23:22.54 | Dreagar | i suppose i could just add another boolean in there to sense it. |
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| 23:27.46 | Industrial | lmao I just noticed |
| 23:27.56 | Drundia | i hate that SetItemRef function. everyone always taints it so i can't do /target [shift-clicked-name] :( |
| 23:28.00 | Industrial | nessingwary's expedition; the crashed plane |
| 23:28.04 | Industrial | they put snakes on it |
| 23:28.06 | Industrial | o_O |
| 23:28.15 | Wobin | Jesus Indy |
| 23:28.18 | Wobin | where have you been? |
| 23:28.21 | Wobin | welcome to 2.0 |
| 23:28.22 | Industrial | sorry :p |
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| 23:28.46 | Iriel | Industrial: I only noticed it about a month and a half ago, dont feel bad |
| 23:30.07 | Guillotine | Iriel: you don't know anything about the requirements to get a movie to load in a MovieFrame, do you? |
| 23:30.36 | Drundia | "-- The SetItemRef() function hook is to be moved out into the core FrameXML." -Blizzard_CombatLog.lua yet apparently it wasn't |
| 23:31.06 | Drundia | btw is combat log retention time going to start working in next patch? are devs aware of it? |
| 23:31.47 | p3lim | anyone got a list or something over the icons that wow has for chat? |
| 23:31.53 | p3lim | like {cross} etc |
| 23:32.08 | Cide | {rt#} |
| 23:32.16 | Cide | where # = 1 - 8 (or 9?) |
| 23:32.19 | Drundia | now i'm thinking, how would i hooksecurefunc that one.... |
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| 23:32.30 | Drundia | to have my "combat log replacement" with that function in |
| 23:32.46 | Drundia | i already got a c stack overflow thanks to some things |
| 23:32.53 | Drundia | and double-copied links |
| 23:32.58 | p3lim | thanks cide |
| 23:33.33 | p3lim | i saw some guy using a heart icon |
| 23:34.48 | Dreagar | well that fixed it. now it don't close when u open the worldmap. lol. dangit |
| 23:35.40 | p3lim | know anything about that cide? |
| 23:35.41 | Drundia | also {star}, {skull} etc work for icons |
| 23:35.45 | p3lim | yeah know |
| 23:35.53 | p3lim | but i saw a heart and a smilie etc |
| 23:35.54 | Cide | p3lim: can only use the raid target icons |
| 23:35.58 | p3lim | nono |
| 23:36.01 | p3lim | i saw other ones |
| 23:36.05 | Drundia | hmmm |
| 23:36.22 | Cide | I don't know if you can send |T... stuff through that |
| 23:36.25 | Cide | if you can, that's easy |
| 23:36.29 | Cide | as long as the texture is in-game |
| 23:36.37 | p3lim | sec |
| 23:37.22 | p3lim | wtb new computer :/ |
| 23:37.28 | p3lim | trying to fetch a pic for you |
| 23:37.33 | p3lim | takes half min to open paint |
| 23:37.52 | Cide | I don't care about the pic |
| 23:38.02 | Cide | can you send |T links over chat? |
| 23:38.12 | Drundia | i think you can't |
| 23:38.14 | p3lim | whats |T links? |
| 23:38.17 | Drundia | at least slouken said so |
| 23:38.18 | MentalPower | you cannot |
| 23:38.35 | Cide | then you must have an addon that does it |
| 23:38.38 | Drundia | slouken also said about combat log retention time but apparently it doesn't work |
| 23:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, I've noticed that |
| 23:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not time based, sadly |
| 23:39.10 | Drundia | i don't know what is it based |
| 23:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Number of lines |
| 23:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The rumor is around 37,000 |
| 23:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (27k? I forget) |
| 23:40.22 | p3lim | http://i32.tinypic.com/2njiku8.jpg |
| 23:40.38 | Drundia | no |
| 23:40.42 | Drundia | i saw random number of lines |
| 23:40.45 | Drundia | saw 27k |
| 23:40.47 | Drundia | saw more |
| 23:40.57 | Cide | looks like a bug, or you can send |T links |
| 23:41.00 | Iriel | You cannot send |t links over chat |
| 23:41.03 | Drundia | if i click spell that fails count goes down by 1 |
| 23:41.26 | Iriel | those look like they're unicode characters in a wierd font |
| 23:41.28 | Iriel | Not |t links. |
| 23:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Inded |
| 23:41.41 | ScytheBlade1 | *Indeed |
| 23:41.42 | Cide | right, but can you send weird fonts? |
| 23:41.49 | Cide | err |
| 23:41.51 | Iriel | If the other person has a font with the symbols |
| 23:41.57 | Iriel | you can send UTF-8 yes |
| 23:42.02 | Drundia | arialn.ttf should have many weird gluphs |
| 23:42.13 | Drundia | *glyphs |
| 23:42.30 | Cide | that'd explain it then |
| 23:42.30 | Drundia | was that thing "s/old/new" |
| 23:42.34 | p3lim | so i should really be looking at a character map? |
| 23:42.56 | cogumel0 | http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=FQt-h753jHI&feature=related --- that's just awesome, ken lee ftw |
| 23:46.53 | Guillotine | If anybody is interested in helping to crack the MovieFrame (so we can figure out how to load movies in-game), join #CrackMovieFrame. Currently we're able to play Blizzard's movies, but ours don't work and we're trying to figure out why. |
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| 23:56.16 | testlek | looks around in this code for his lost mind |
