| 00:00.32 | SantaClauss | Thanks for all, g2g. Beybey |
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| 00:04.24 | Nechckn | Sure... I get back just in time to miss the visit from Santaclaus!! |
| 00:04.27 | Nechckn | geez |
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| 00:19.56 | Rayne | Cairenn: yeeesssss? |
| 00:20.16 | Cairenn | BBCLite has an .exe in it, we can't approve |
| 00:20.26 | Rayne | Really? |
| 00:20.27 | Rayne | O_o |
| 00:20.29 | Cairenn | yar |
| 00:20.37 | Rayne | checks |
| 00:20.46 | Cairenn | Cherry Lite v3.1/Interface/AddOns/GuildRaidSnapShot/GetGRSSDKP.exe |
| 00:20.53 | Rayne | OH |
| 00:20.54 | Rayne | GRSS |
| 00:20.55 | Rayne | dur |
| 00:21.04 | WobWork | aw |
| 00:21.05 | WobWork | http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/26/news/newsmakers/egg_mcmuffin.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008032622 |
| 00:21.06 | Rayne | ty Cairenn :) |
| 00:21.14 | Cairenn | can you poof that and edit the upload? |
| 00:21.25 | Rayne | Doing so right now :) |
| 00:21.29 | Cairenn | thanks Rayne |
| 00:21.33 | Cairenn | will approve soon as that's gone |
| 00:22.21 | Rayne | kk |
| 00:22.38 | Rayne | Im also going to push Burnt Black Cherry 11 through in a minute, let me make sure I removed it from there too... |
| 00:23.02 | Cairenn | np |
| 00:23.04 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:23.28 | Rayne | Silly WinRar |
| 00:23.30 | Rayne | ZIP FASTER |
| 00:27.01 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 00:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | got the problem |
| 00:27.05 | sag_ich_nicht | delete chat-cache.txt |
| 00:27.09 | sag_ich_nicht | settings save now |
| 00:27.10 | sag_ich_nicht | BUT |
| 00:27.12 | sag_ich_nicht | the combatlog has a bug |
| 00:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 00:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I deleted my chat-cache.txt when I re-did my addons |
| 00:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains a lot of things |
| 00:27.35 | sag_ich_nicht | the combatlog filter is overwritten by the default filter if you login |
| 00:27.39 | sag_ich_nicht | BUT |
| 00:27.43 | sag_ich_nicht | change to a different filter |
| 00:27.44 | sag_ich_nicht | and back |
| 00:27.47 | sag_ich_nicht | and it starts working |
| 00:29.14 | Rayne | my upload rate sucks. |
| 00:29.50 | cogumel0 | when dealing with an addon that creates dots on the map pretty much like notesuneed, is it viable to load all the notes from all the different areas from the variables onto tables at login? |
| 00:29.51 | Rayne | Cairenn: Uploaded |
| 00:29.59 | Cairenn | l |
| 00:30.02 | Cairenn | k* |
| 00:30.44 | Cairenn | Rayne: can't approve, again |
| 00:30.48 | Rayne | agopaugopausg |
| 00:30.53 | haste | cogumel0: you most likely just create a refrence, so yes |
| 00:30.54 | Cairenn | you forgot to scrub your wtf folder |
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| 00:31.23 | cogumel0 | haste, what do you mean just create a reference? |
| 00:31.25 | Rayne | wow. that wasnt like that. O_o |
| 00:31.43 | Cairenn | Rayne: well, I *could* approve it that way, but don't think you really want me to |
| 00:31.47 | Rayne | Cairenn: Bear with me, my day did get bad. :/ |
| 00:31.52 | haste | cogumel0: you don't "load" the table, it's already there, you just create a local refrence to it |
| 00:31.57 | Cairenn | Rayne: not a problem :) |
| 00:32.08 | zenzelezz | Rayne: this is why warriors don't make UIs |
| 00:32.38 | Rayne | zenzelezz: /evileye |
| 00:32.39 | cogumel0 | ahh, see haste, the problem is that I'm not quite familiar with the saving in variables/loading from variables part. |
| 00:33.31 | Rayne | Ok, lets try this ONE more time |
| 00:34.10 | cogumel0 | so I'm now assuming that as long as I'm loading something from a saved variable, it will be created automatically, even if I don't create any references to it. In which case, since it has no references, after a while it gets picked up by the GC and there's no way of getting that info back until there's a UI reload? |
| 00:34.14 | Cairenn | Rayne: heh |
| 00:34.39 | Rayne | Cairenn: btw, do you guys monitor bandwith usage per user? And have a throttle for uploading from like the same IP? |
| 00:34.41 | haste | cogumel0: the saved vars are loaded with your add-on, it's a global table regardless of if you use it or not |
| 00:34.42 | Rayne | Just curious |
| 00:34.54 | Cairenn | Rayne: not to my knowledge, nope |
| 00:35.11 | haste | cogumel0: so no, it won't be GC'd |
| 00:35.23 | cogumel0 | haste, thx, you just answered my question :P |
| 00:35.24 | Corrodias | i'm trying to help someone remove a relatively unpopular MSN Messenger virus |
| 00:35.43 | Rayne | Ah. Seems like some days my Upload to WoWI is much better, but occasionally its really low. |
| 00:35.52 | Rayne | Then again 2.4 did come out and people are still in a state of panic |
| 00:35.56 | Corrodias | anybody familiar with one that messages you with "is this really you?" and a link to a file that looks like an image.jpg.website.com and is really a .com file? |
| 00:36.08 | cogumel0 | now to figure out how to actually implement saved variables onto my addon |
| 00:36.28 | Rayne | Corrodias: I remember that, it used to be passed around on AIM alot too |
| 00:36.36 | Cairenn | Rayne: aye, it's just how busy we are |
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| 00:36.57 | Rayne | One of the many reasons I stopped using AIM |
| 00:37.07 | Corrodias | i don't suppose you remember specific things about removing it |
| 00:37.18 | cogumel0 | format c:\ |
| 00:37.25 | cogumel0 | always does the trick for me |
| 00:37.41 | Corrodias | unless it happens to have infected files on other drives |
| 00:37.54 | Corrodias | and/or the boot sector |
| 00:38.13 | Corrodias | but that's old school. nobody modifies the boot sector any more. |
| 00:39.09 | Corrodias | you'd have to boot from some floppies for that shit |
| 00:39.27 | Rayne | lol |
| 00:39.32 | Rayne | floppy drives, we hardly knew you... |
| 00:39.39 | Rayne | sheds a tear |
| 00:40.02 | Rayne | Cairenn: Try now |
| 00:40.26 | Cairenn | still personal info in wtf |
| 00:40.30 | cogumel0 | Corrodias, you can still change your boot sector and EMBR ... ... |
| 00:40.32 | Rayne | Really? Where |
| 00:40.45 | Rayne | Im missing something really stupid then |
| 00:40.58 | Corrodias | i know, but there aren't any popular viruses that do that any more |
| 00:41.29 | Corrodias | can't say i miss those days, but viruses were a lot scarier then. more about destruction and less about... propogation. |
| 00:42.14 | cogumel0 | well that's probably because people have gained more knowledge about computers anyway. |
| 00:42.28 | Cairenn | Rayne: sent you a PM, make sure you have already /msg nickserv identify [pw] if you are trying to respond to me |
| 00:43.27 | Rayne | Well the only thing I asked was if the folders are still coming up named |
| 00:43.49 | Rayne | Or if theres something in that .txt im missing. I dont mind talking about it in the open *shrug* |
| 00:44.41 | Cairenn | yes |
| 00:44.45 | Cairenn | they are still named |
| 00:44.52 | Cairenn | exactly what I just showed you in the PM |
| 00:45.27 | Rayne | Cairenn: Thats really wierd, because I just opened the zipped file I have in my WoW Folder, and its not named... |
| 00:45.47 | Cairenn | I really don't want to post the information in this channel, for the exact same reason I won't approve it on the site |
| 00:46.12 | AbsoRayne | Ok |
| 00:46.15 | AbsoRayne | Try PMing me now |
| 00:47.14 | Cairenn | you get it? |
| 00:47.23 | AbsoRayne | Yeah I responded |
| 00:47.27 | Cairenn | no response |
| 00:47.43 | AbsoRayne | gah |
| 00:47.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.01 | cogumel0 | how do I save something onto a saved variable? |
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| 00:56.35 | cogumel0 | umm... anyone care to help? |
| 01:00.19 | AbsoRayne | ? |
| 01:00.19 | zenzelezz | did you check the wiki? It has all you need to know |
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| 01:02.08 | cogumel0 | I did yes, couldn't find it |
| 01:02.35 | cogumel0 | probably wrong search string ... |
| 01:03.46 | zenzelezz | "saved variables" would have done it |
| 01:03.47 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions |
| 01:03.57 | zenzelezz | always start with the obvious |
| 01:04.37 | cogumel0 | lol, thx |
| 01:07.11 | cogumel0 | must my reference to the variable be a global variable or can it be a local variable? |
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| 01:08.47 | cogumel0 | and must the variable that is a reference to the saved variable have the same name as the saved variable? |
| 01:08.50 | AbsoRayne | Why is it I can never get any Pali healers for TK. :/ |
| 01:09.56 | WobWork | cogumel0: The value you place in the .toc to refer to the SV is the variable you use to save your details |
| 01:10.22 | WobWork | it's already a global reference |
| 01:10.35 | WobWork | If you use a local reference, it won't save to the global one, and thus not save your details |
| 01:10.52 | cogumel0 | and does it save automatically ? |
| 01:15.48 | NightHawkTheSane | why does everything decide to go pear shaped -right- at 5:00pm |
| 01:16.05 | NightHawkTheSane | not, say, 3pm when i have time to do something about it, or 7pm, long after i've stopped caring |
| 01:17.52 | MentalPower | cogumel0: read the wiki link |
| 01:18.00 | WobWork | pft |
| 01:18.01 | WobWork | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2004306611_movietheater26e.html |
| 01:18.07 | WobWork | You're only -just- getting that? |
| 01:18.17 | WobWork | We've had that for a while now |
| 01:18.22 | WobWork | Damn those seats are comfy |
| 01:18.47 | WobWork | They're really good for the long lord of the rings style movies |
| 01:19.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ... we're seattle, we'd really rather just watch the movie at home on our big screen tv than go out to a movie theatre anyway |
| 01:19.20 | NightHawkTheSane | unless it's some crazy indie movie, or some crazy indie theatre |
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| 01:20.20 | Saeris | Anyone know why Blizzard's combat log filter applying code uses only the events list of the first filter? |
| 01:23.25 | art3mis | because they took a poll amoungst the programmers and decied that YOU would be thier special target of irritation ;P |
| 01:23.37 | bleeter | qft |
| 01:23.50 | dylanm | 2.4 was rushed. |
| 01:24.00 | art3mis | no it wasnt |
| 01:24.05 | art3mis | 2.4 was right on time |
| 01:24.18 | Corrodias | 2.4 was long overdue |
| 01:24.21 | art3mis | the quality of coders was a bit lacking this time around because of easter and spring break ;P |
| 01:24.47 | Corrodias | 2.4 never came |
| 01:24.49 | Corrodias | 2.4 has always been |
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| 01:24.59 | art3mis | Corrodias: it told me it did |
| 01:25.00 | NightHawkTheSane | There is no 2.4, there is only zuul. |
| 01:25.01 | Corrodias | there, now the patch has been evaluated to be in every possible position |
| 01:25.07 | dylanm | I don't argue that there wasn't an overly long content drought. |
| 01:25.09 | art3mis | I AM THE GATE KEEPER! |
| 01:25.18 | bleeter | omg! a content patch that was 'rushed'! FLEEEEEEE |
| 01:25.20 | dylanm | But this thing is a little buggy. |
| 01:25.31 | bleeter | omg! a content patch that was 'a little bit buggy'! FLEEEEEEE |
| 01:25.32 | Corrodias | did you help out the testing on the PTR? |
| 01:25.43 | dylanm | Mhmm. |
| 01:25.44 | art3mis | www.chronocide.net go play catpult! |
| 01:25.51 | Saeris | Seriously though, I can't think of a reason why it's using only the first event list. |
| 01:25.53 | art3mis | err cat vaccuum |
| 01:26.07 | Corrodias | did they not get to some of the bugs, or have new ones popped up since the last iteration? |
| 01:26.20 | dylanm | I think you're getting the impression that I'm hating on Blizzard. Not the case. |
| 01:26.27 | art3mis | lies |
| 01:26.31 | bleeter | Some bugs only appear when it goes live, like the BG name foo |
| 01:26.39 | Corrodias | this is true. what foo? |
| 01:26.48 | art3mis | you take Lie-agra and walk around with a perm hate-on |
| 01:27.05 | bleeter | eg Bleeter-USBG1 instead of Bleeter-Thunderpants |
| 01:27.24 | bleeter | man, I'd pay for a tx if there were a Thunderpants battlegroup |
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| 01:36.58 | ScytheBlade1 | In Omen, how do I change which view I'm using while using the stock skin? |
| 01:36.58 | zenzelezz | saw something interesting in the combat log earlier.... "18:00:57> fades from Winslow's whateverweaponname". The name of the poison that wore off apparently didn't show for some reason |
| 01:37.15 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Turn on the modules bar :P |
| 01:37.20 | Antiarc | I need to add slash commands to activate modules. |
| 01:37.26 | Antiarc | Or bindings to cycle through modules |
| 01:37.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 01:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I'm running through BT tonight. I'll use the bug tracker as I can ;) |
| 01:38.52 | Lukian | Antiarc, on a side note, Omen now looks more like KTM than it should, I enjoyed Omen's lightweight appearance, the addition of a border and giant buttons.. well. |
| 01:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | You can resize the buttons |
| 01:39.13 | Antiarc | Lukian: /omen skin load classic |
| 01:39.20 | Lukian | Can you hide the border? |
| 01:39.32 | Antiarc | The beauty of it is that its appearance is fully editable ;) |
| 01:39.42 | Antiarc | And yes, just set its opacity to 0 in the color selector |
| 01:42.40 | AbsoRayne | wtb TK run. -_- |
| 01:44.05 | MentalPower | http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html & http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart11.html |
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| 01:44.57 | Cide | nice |
| 01:45.07 | Cide | 0.9899 is fairly close |
| 01:45.50 | MentalPower | indeed it is |
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| 01:46.12 | MentalPower | tho I like the overall graph better |
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| 01:46.41 | MentalPower | WoW just skyrocketed, and everyone is either stable or losing market |
| 01:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: r66199 good to file stuff on, or should I update? |
| 01:46.54 | MentalPower | the only one rising is RuneScape |
| 01:47.04 | Antiarc | Depends on the bug |
| 01:47.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:47.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I shall update then |
| 01:48.01 | Atriace | Need a little help on technique. I'm trying to reveal buttons behind a frame when the mouse enters the frame (and cover the buttons with the frame again once the mouseleaves). My problem is once I cover the buttons, even the though the frame dissapears, it prevents the buttons from recieving mouse events. Any suggestions? |
| 01:49.42 | Atriace | I'm currently just using the method of OnEnter/OnLeave obj:Hide()/obj:Show() respectively. |
| 01:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Use alpha instead of show/hide? |
| 01:51.10 | Atriace | I'm not sure that would allow the buttons behind the frame to receive mouse events... would it? |
| 01:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It does |
| 01:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 01:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I should read |
| 01:52.31 | Atriace | chuckles. |
| 01:53.49 | MentalPower | it does not |
| 01:54.35 | MentalPower | Atriace: you could use IsMouseOver() |
| 01:54.43 | MentalPower | that does not rely on mouse events |
| 01:54.52 | MentalPower | but you'll have to run it OnUpdate |
| 01:54.57 | Atriace | I was about to add that. |
| 01:55.03 | Atriace | Hmm... |
| 01:55.35 | Atriace | Well, performing that test every half-second should be any sort of a hit on performance, I suppose. |
| 01:55.44 | Atriace | shoundn't be, rather. |
| 01:56.48 | MentalPower | IsMouseOver()'s code is in the FrameXML, so you can take a look at exactly what it does |
| 01:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: 66516 is the latet I'm showing - that acceptable? |
| 01:57.05 | Antiarc | yes |
| 01:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay. I've got a few GUI screenshots as-is. I'll see what I can post after the raid |
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| 02:19.06 | cogwheel | wow... i never tried that before but it really works... |
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| 02:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 02:20.12 | cogwheel | acting like a perky girl on a female gnome toon... they really give me stuff... |
| 02:20.25 | Atriace | lol |
| 02:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:20.38 | Lukian | where stuff = cyber? |
| 02:20.48 | cogwheel | herbs |
| 02:20.51 | cogwheel | and loot |
| 02:20.52 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
| 02:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | "herbs" |
| 02:21.01 | Shirik | Any C++ gurus know whether I can safely ignore this warning if I'm not operating on the object until after the constructor is finished? warning C4355: 'this' : used in base member initializer list |
| 02:22.58 | p3lim | what happened to the optionhouse part of optionhouse? :p |
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| 02:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | is very very tired. Who has the rum and coke? |
| 02:24.51 | Shirik | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 02:25.21 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: will vodka and diet barq's do? |
| 02:25.29 | MentalPower | Lopeppeppy: I do |
| 02:25.31 | cogwheel | (sp) |
| 02:25.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i have a half a bottle of wine |
| 02:25.33 | Cide | Shirik: no |
| 02:25.47 | MentalPower | lives 10mi from the Bacardi factory |
| 02:25.47 | Cide | actually I'm not even close to a C++ guru so ignore me |
| 02:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | You all are saints in disguise. I'll take a little of it all? *laugh* |
| 02:26.07 | cogwheel | I've also got a variety of wine, disarono, i think some yager, .... umm... patron.... lychee schnapps |
| 02:26.25 | cogwheel | irish cream... various beers... mikes lemonade |
| 02:26.51 | cogwheel | peach schnapps, khalua |
| 02:26.57 | cogwheel | (global "(sp?)") |
| 02:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | Mrs. Cogwheel has a god in her household. |
| 02:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, my current liquor stock is only 1.5 bottles of wine, one of which is some nice raspberry wine, and a half case of beer. i am so sad. :( |
| 02:28.09 | cogwheel | oh! we do have a bit of captain in us........... <.< |
| 02:28.33 | cogwheel | and some non-diet root-beer... |
| 02:28.44 | cogwheel | realizes he should've /away'ed a long time ago |
| 02:29.28 | Cide | NSFW: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1562/wowgoatsede4.jpg |
| 02:30.47 | MentalPower | oh dear... |
| 02:31.12 | cog|away | oooh! apple schnapps, brandy, southern comfort, amaretto, butterscotch, sake, champagne, blue curacao, and grenadine... |
| 02:31.36 | AnduinLothar | why are we listing alc? |
| 02:31.51 | cog|away | offering Lopeppeppy a drink |
| 02:31.59 | cog|away | <.< |
| 02:32.01 | cog|away | >.> |
| 02:32.10 | AnduinLothar | tonight is champagne and penutbutter brownies night |
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| 02:32.17 | Cairenn | is so tired a single drink would probably put her under the table |
| 02:32.30 | Iriel | hands cair a glass... of water |
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| 02:33.38 | Shirik | Cide: I always ignore you :D |
| 02:33.43 | Shirik | jkjk please don't stab me |
| 02:33.51 | Cide | Shirik: you're probably better off that way :P |
| 02:34.13 | Shirik | it makes sense to me though |
| 02:34.49 | Shirik | the only reason that warning comes up is because I'm using "this" before the this constructor has been called, so the object is unstable. But I just want a pointer to it for future reference... I'm not using it immediately |
| 02:35.03 | Shirik | besides, my program is crashing for other reasons right now :P ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED when opening com port for some reason :( |
| 02:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, I'm *hoping* this one drink puts me under the table. Moving boxes is hard work. Peppy needs a nap. |
| 02:35.25 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 02:36.35 | p3lim | TourGuide\StatusFrame.lua:242: Usage: GetItemInfo(itemID|"name"|"itemlink") |
| 02:37.06 | Atriace | MentalPower: Just finished digging through the FrameXML. I can't find any reference to IsMouseOver. |
| 02:37.22 | Iriel | MouseIsOver ? |
| 02:37.26 | p3lim | :p |
| 02:37.29 | MentalPower | oops |
| 02:37.34 | MentalPower | what Iriel said :) |
| 02:37.37 | Atriace | haha |
| 02:37.44 | MentalPower | many many appologies |
| 02:37.55 | Iriel | It's in UIParent.lua, I think |
| 02:37.58 | Atriace | That did it. Lost is found. Thanks. :) |
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| 03:08.16 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | Esamynn remains undefated |
| 03:09.34 | Atriace | Which MPQ contains the sound effects? |
| 03:09.51 | Atriace | My viewer is taking a loooooong time to open them. |
| 03:11.15 | MentalPower | Atriace: which sound effects? |
| 03:11.17 | Adys | depends which ones |
| 03:11.33 | MentalPower | muahahahaha! beat ya to it Adys :P |
| 03:11.41 | Adys | :( |
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| 03:12.19 | Adys | expansion-speech for BC npc speeches etc, expansion.mpq for expansion sound effects |
| 03:12.35 | Adys | speech for general speeches, and common.mpq for the rest |
| 03:12.49 | Adys | (speech and expansion-speech = anything that would get localized) |
| 03:15.40 | Iriel | Anyone up to try a combat log fixing addon for ? |
| 03:15.42 | Atriace | Common it is... |
| 03:15.43 | Iriel | for me? |
| 03:16.35 | MentalPower | lua> ("F1300061AA03B78C"):len() * 4 |
| 03:16.35 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 64 |
| 03:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: you mean test it for you? |
| 03:16.46 | Iriel | Yes |
| 03:17.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i probably could, whats it supposed to fix? |
| 03:17.09 | Atriace | I wouldn't have any logs to test it on, atm. |
| 03:17.42 | Iriel | The refresh on zone, and the overly long refilter time |
| 03:18.05 | enum | can anyone offer hand for unit flags? I'm trying to get an understanding on how to use them, but the info on wowwiki doesn't really go into a lot of detail. Basically, I understand the example they have here http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitFlag at the bottom regarding a dueling player. Because I can add it up, it makes sense. Although, for a hostiple NPC srcFlags shows 68168 which I cannot seem to come up with using the unit flag table |
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| 03:18.22 | Iriel | I'm (a) not sure if I got all the problem pieces and (b) if it works for everyone |
| 03:21.18 | Xinhuan | iriel i think someone already have a fix on wowi |
| 03:21.31 | Xinhuan | CombatLogFixer or something, all it does is unregister P_E_ |
| 03:21.35 | Xinhuan | P_E_W |
| 03:21.42 | Iriel | Mine's a bit smarter than that |
| 03:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://fs.wowinterface.com/download.php?id=8486 |
| 03:22.09 | Iriel | Mine replaces PEW with VL |
| 03:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel is wicked smart. |
| 03:22.15 | Iriel | and caps the refilter count |
| 03:22.24 | WobWork | VL? |
| 03:22.25 | Xinhuan | the entire function was supposed to be 2 events |
| 03:22.30 | Xinhuan | VL and PEW |
| 03:22.34 | Iriel | VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 03:22.36 | Xinhuan | some guy at blizz merged them into a single event |
| 03:22.46 | Xinhuan | the top part (the refilter part) was supposed to be in VL |
| 03:22.55 | Iriel | Is there code that needs to get run on PEW ? |
| 03:23.02 | Xinhuan | and the bottom part, the if-check, is supposed to be in PEW |
| 03:23.05 | Xinhuan | yeah there was |
| 03:23.19 | Xinhuan | the code i sent in originally has 2 parts |
| 03:23.32 | Iriel | Can you send me that code? |
| 03:23.37 | Iriel | iriel@iriel.org |
| 03:23.38 | Xinhuan | hmm a moment |
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| 03:30.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: I'll file this, but Counterspell is throwing an error. Have a screenshot |
| 03:30.51 | batrick | Shirik|zZz: ping |
| 03:30.58 | batrick | i know ur awake |
| 03:31.49 | Lopeppeppy | z |
| 03:32.07 | Lopeppeppy | "Try Perelli's MIracle Elixir!" |
| 03:33.56 | Guillotine | If you guys want to cause REAL chaos in trade, link Holyform on a priest and say 'Wait, did all priests get [Holyform] this patch, or did I get it from some spell and not notice it?" |
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| 03:35.16 | Lopeppeppy | Mean. |
| 03:35.50 | bleeter | OUCH LOL |
| 03:35.53 | bleeter | soz caps |
| 03:35.57 | MentalPower | Guillotine: whats the spellId? |
| 03:36.11 | bleeter | 46565 |
| 03:36.15 | Guillotine | 46565 |
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| 03:36.40 | MentalPower | oh wow |
| 03:36.52 | MentalPower | google search for wowdb spell gives that spell as the first hit |
| 03:37.46 | Cide | I love that spell |
| 03:37.59 | Cide | it's so funny that blizzard created exactly what all priests wanted, and then gave it to an npc |
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| 03:39.44 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 03:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | strangles the new chat settings bug. |
| 03:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort NightHawkTheSane |
| 03:42.00 | purl | There, there, NightHawkTheSane. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:42.03 | Guillotine | or link http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=37066 and ask where you can train that rank as a rogue |
| 03:42.28 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 03:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | Mean, again. |
| 03:45.49 | WobWork | I'm still disappointed that Luffa cannot remove that buff |
| 03:45.57 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 03:46.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, the Luffa doesn't really have use beyond 60. |
| 03:46.21 | Xinhuan | hmm i can't copy spellinks from wowhead yet :( |
| 03:46.39 | WobWork | script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Shift-click this link to put into chat: \124cff71d5ff\124Hspell:46565\124h[Holyform]\124h\124r"); |
| 03:46.57 | Xinhuan | excellent |
| 03:47.02 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 03:47.07 | WobWork | Now go, do evil =) |
| 03:48.39 | Guillotine | So theres now a hunter quest to get http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=43946 |
| 03:48.43 | Guillotine | at least as far as people in trade know |
| 03:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | loooooooooool |
| 03:49.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic win |
| 03:50.00 | Guillotine | Theres a bug where if you take 1/2 Dirty Tricks, you get http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=42805 to replace your blind |
| 03:51.16 | Xinhuan | so WobWork |
| 03:51.19 | Xinhuan | i typed that |
| 03:51.23 | Xinhuan | in /2, or rather |
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| 03:51.25 | Cide | Guillotine: wow! |
| 03:51.27 | Xinhuan | i asked a priest guildy to do it |
| 03:51.38 | Xinhuan | and /2 generated 0 response |
| 03:51.41 | Xinhuan | pretty fail |
| 03:51.43 | Amarande | oh god. |
| 03:51.48 | Amarande | all I can say right now is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:51.48 | WobWork | Clearly blackrock fails at being trolled |
| 03:52.01 | bleeter | blackrock just fails |
| 03:52.12 | Cide | Amarande: did you delete your addon? if so, ask ScytheBlade1 what to do - I hear he has experience |
| 03:52.15 | Lopeppeppy | please, don't let blackrock be invading AD again. |
| 03:52.24 | cog|away | Cide: were you around when i mentioned the jack-o-lantern e-mail my mom sent me? |
| 03:52.29 | bleeter | or TB |
| 03:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 03:52.30 | Cide | cog|away: nope |
| 03:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 03:52.35 | cog|away | sec... |
| 03:53.08 | Amarande | Cide: no |
| 03:53.15 | Amarande | that wouldn't involve spending $25 |
| 03:53.22 | Amarande | I paid $25 to transfer to what, as of 2.3, was a better server for me |
| 03:53.29 | cog|away | http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/jack-o-lanterns/jack-o-lanterns.html |
| 03:53.30 | enum | if I want to see what arg contains when an event is fired, what is a good method for printing ... to something readable on screen? |
| 03:53.32 | Amarande | now it's as bad as my old server in one important way :( |
| 03:53.37 | cog|away | ***NSFW |
| 03:53.43 | cog|away | (sorta) |
| 03:53.45 | Amarande | stupid goddamned epic fail patch |
| 03:53.47 | Xinhuan | BR vs AD hehe |
| 03:53.50 | Xinhuan | its a 2-way war now |
| 03:54.00 | Xinhuan | everytime AD dies, they come to invade BR too |
| 03:54.01 | Amarande | I transferred from Turalyon to Quel'dorei for two reasons |
| 03:54.23 | Amarande | 1) it's less progressed on Q'D so it should not be the hell to get 5-man instance groups as it was in Turalyon |
| 03:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, but the Blackrock GM's use the banstick a lot, the AD GM's don't. |
| 03:54.39 | WobWork | I -like- the octopus one |
| 03:54.47 | Xinhuan | aren't GMs not server specific? |
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| 03:54.55 | Amarande | 2) the Emberstorm battlegroup was better, you could actually get into battlegrounds in a reasonable period, unlike Stormstrike where Alliance were boycotting AV and queues were ridiculous |
| 03:54.55 | Cide | cog|away: haha, some of those are amazing |
| 03:55.01 | Amarande | ok. guess what's happened since 2.4 on Emberstorm |
| 03:55.11 | Cide | the plague hit? |
| 03:55.21 | Amarande | Cide: alliance are boycotting AV :( |
| 03:55.27 | Amarande | and WSG too, apparently |
| 03:55.35 | Xinhuan | people linking spells and making stories out of spells instead of spamming thunderfury 200x on /2? |
| 03:55.35 | Lopeppeppy | Dunno, Xinhuan, but most of the AD people don't troll Blackrock anymore, it's not worth the 72 hour banstick. |
| 03:55.36 | Cide | ouch. well, in a month you can spend another $25 and GTFO |
| 03:55.37 | Amarande | queues are over an hour |
| 03:56.01 | Xinhuan | are you from AD Lopeppeppy hehe |
| 03:56.16 | Cide | nah, BC |
| 03:56.18 | WobWork | Free transfers off AD btw |
| 03:56.26 | Cide | she's ooooooold. |
| 03:56.30 | Cide | (sorry Lopeppeppy!) |
| 03:56.34 | WobWork | to Muradin and Sisters of Elune |
| 03:56.35 | Xinhuan | the last major BR down, about 100 gnomes went to zerg hogger down on AD about 11 times |
| 03:56.39 | Xinhuan | until BR came back up |
| 03:56.52 | WobWork | poor Hogger |
| 03:56.54 | WobWork | so abused |
| 03:57.06 | Xinhuan | i heard it was like "HOGGER DOWN LOL" |
| 03:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | Hogger is the pig we love to hate. |
| 03:57.27 | Lopeppeppy | Cide! :P |
| 03:57.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, my home server is AD, from the day it was created. |
| 03:57.48 | Xinhuan | so i asked tme , howlong does it take to kill hogger |
| 03:58.00 | Xinhuan | and the reply was like "about 5 minutes per hogger" |
| 03:58.14 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 03:58.18 | Cide | were they really gnomes? |
| 03:58.21 | Cide | the run must be a bitch. |
| 03:58.22 | Xinhuan | yes level 1 gnomes |
| 03:58.28 | Shirik|zZz | batrick: pong |
| 03:59.44 | batrick | did you get it working? |
| 04:01.22 | WobWork | Xinhuan: Best method would have been to kite Hogger to the graveyard |
| 04:01.33 | Xinhuan | not sure if they did that |
| 04:01.40 | Xinhuan | i certainly didn't bother |
| 04:02.27 | Tem | I solo'd hogger with a low level warlock |
| 04:02.34 | Tem | whatever level you get fear |
| 04:05.55 | Atriace | that's wicked ugly.... |
| 04:06.15 | Atriace | For some reason, if I SetVertexColor twice, it crashes WoW. |
| 04:06.37 | cog|away | For some reason, that makes me laugh... |
| 04:06.54 | cog|away | it's one of those "O.o wtF?" |
| 04:06.58 | cog|away | bugs |
| 04:06.59 | Atriace | pouts. |
| 04:07.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm overtired, i totally lol'd. |
| 04:08.21 | Iriel | Anyone had an addon lock up their WoW when they try and hearth home since 2.4? |
| 04:08.52 | Tem | ugh |
| 04:09.09 | Tem | Damn Magister's Terrace making it hell to get instance groups for anything else |
| 04:09.15 | Lukian | Iriel, yes! |
| 04:09.25 | Iriel | Lukian: Any idea which one it is? 8-) |
| 04:09.37 | Lukian | Iriel, I haven't attempted to figure that out yet :( |
| 04:09.49 | Iriel | Lukian: I'm not certain it's addon related yet, but I plan on doing an experiment in 10 minutes when my hearthstone is recharged |
| 04:09.54 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 04:10.19 | Atriace | Alright.... so it would seem if you want to SetVertexColor to the same texture after it's been set, you have to reset it to 1,1,1 first... |
| 04:10.21 | Xinhuan | iriel, i heard astrolabe (used by tomtom) may be causing it |
| 04:10.27 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel, I've heard people blame Recount, oRA, and just about every other addon for it. |
| 04:10.33 | Atriace | Or you just can't set it to a value of 0.3 |
| 04:10.44 | Lukian | Xinhuan, I don't use that, so it can't be that one |
| 04:10.49 | Iriel | Now, Atrolabe would make sense, it's likely listening to zone events.. BUT.. |
| 04:10.50 | Xinhuan | it appears to happen when you zone between an "azeroth outlands zone" to a outlands zone across continents |
| 04:11.04 | Iriel | that doesn't explain why it happens on hearth, but not on most other portals |
| 04:11.17 | Iriel | Xinhuan: that's consistent with my experience |
| 04:11.18 | Xinhuan | i don't know, i haven't encountered itmyself |
| 04:11.20 | Tem | Iriel, Esamymn was having that problem |
| 04:11.21 | Lukian | yeah, hearthing from isle of QD to Shattrath has failed every time for me, I haven't tried other hearths |
| 04:11.28 | Lukian | My engineering trinket worked fine |
| 04:11.32 | Xinhuan | lukian, handynotes uses astrolabe too |
| 04:11.42 | p3lim | lol |
| 04:11.43 | Xinhuan | not sure if u used that |
| 04:11.45 | Tem | and he identified it as Whenever he teleported (by any means) without hitting a loading screen |
| 04:11.45 | Lukian | Xinhuan, I don't use handynotes :) |
| 04:11.46 | p3lim | i didnt have directx |
| 04:11.50 | Amarande | I think some people need to delete patch.mpq and repatch |
| 04:11.51 | p3lim | for a year |
| 04:12.04 | Amarande | I know at least in my case, the pre-download patch that was downloaded last week was corrupted, apparently |
| 04:12.06 | p3lim | no wonder shit has been glitchy |
| 04:12.19 | Amarande | I didn't notice it till I was riding through Silvermoon and got a persistent E132 |
| 04:12.44 | Amarande | repair said "there is a serious problem with WoW" and deleted patch.mpq and verified the rest as OK |
| 04:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | This is why I don't pre-download.... |
| 04:12.54 | Amarande | and I had to wait for 900+MB patch to download again :S |
| 04:12.59 | enum | yo, I have a function with arguments func(event,...). inside this function I do for i,v ipairs(arg) do ChatFrame1:AddMessage(tostring(v)); end I get an error saying arg is nil |
| 04:13.13 | p3lim | 900+? i had like 260 (not pre-downloaded) |
| 04:13.16 | enum | but if I actually say local a1,a2,a3 = ... then it works fine |
| 04:13.27 | Iriel | does wow have compatibility turned on? |
| 04:13.30 | Amarande | p3lim: it probably downloads a full 2.0-2.4 patch if you lose or delete patch.mpq |
| 04:13.36 | Iriel | That's a deprecated feature at the best of times 8-) |
| 04:13.37 | Cairenn | pastamancer: ping? |
| 04:13.40 | Iriel | And you really shouldn't use it |
| 04:13.49 | enum | Iriel: are you speaking to me? |
| 04:13.55 | Iriel | for i = 1, select('#', ...) do local v = select(i, ...); |
| 04:13.58 | Iriel | yes 8-) |
| 04:14.02 | p3lim | enum: i,v ipairs(arg) means arg is a table ? |
| 04:14.31 | Amarande | hmm, I should see if I can hearth from Silvermoon to SMV without crashing. |
| 04:14.35 | p3lim | Amarande: aha |
| 04:14.35 | Iriel | it's an attempt to use 5.0 style varargs in 5.1 |
| 04:14.41 | Amarande | haven't tried that sort of stuff since repatching |
| 04:14.54 | Amarande | though, last night when I had the Silvermoon crashes |
| 04:15.00 | Amarande | I was able to use the Shattrath portal to Silvermoon just fine |
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| 04:15.10 | enum | ok, so what I'm really doing here is trying to determin what exactly is being passed from the event. The best way I could think to do that was to print it out and actually view oit |
| 04:15.12 | Amarande | it didn't crash (and keep crashing every time I tried to relog) till I got about halfway through Murder Row |
| 04:15.14 | p3lim | sounds like a corrupted texture |
| 04:15.25 | p3lim | enum: got a pastey? |
| 04:16.04 | enum | lemme try what you guys suggested and I'll do a pastey if it doesn't work |
| 04:16.52 | Amarande | 5.0 and 5.1 of what? |
| 04:16.59 | Amarande | I was gonna say, GCC's not already up to that is it? |
| 04:17.05 | Amarande | but apparently gcc's still in 4.x :) |
| 04:17.39 | Iriel | enum Have you got DevTools installed? |
| 04:17.44 | Iriel | enum: If so, /dtevents is your friend |
| 04:17.53 | Iriel | enum: if not, install it, then /dtevents is your friend |
| 04:18.10 | enum | aha! |
| 04:18.13 | enum | omg, thanks Ire |
| 04:18.18 | enum | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.20 | MentalPower | ~devtools |
| 04:18.20 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 04:18.22 | p3lim | i dont have devtools :o |
| 04:18.31 | MentalPower | get it! |
| 04:18.37 | p3lim | hm |
| 04:18.42 | enum | I had devtool, but didn't know about /dtevents |
| 04:18.48 | Cairenn | if you're serious about coding for wow, you have devtools |
| 04:19.18 | Shirik | even Cairenn has devtools |
| 04:19.19 | Cairenn | s/have/have to have/ |
| 04:19.20 | Iriel | or you write your own, I accept that as a reasonable alternative 8-) |
| 04:19.33 | Cairenn | nods at Shirik |
| 04:19.36 | Lukian | Iriel, go go hearth :D |
| 04:19.43 | Iriel | i'm on a fligh |
| 04:19.45 | Iriel | +t |
| 04:19.53 | Iriel | On my way to ironforge |
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| 04:21.23 | p3lim | not quite sure what it does, but ill take a look |
| 04:22.25 | p3lim | where can i find the latest version of DirectX 9.0c without going through the validation on the microsoft site? |
| 04:22.43 | Tem | oh lol awesome |
| 04:22.54 | Tem | I went into a cave for a mining node |
| 04:23.01 | Tem | and it was kind of a hassle |
| 04:23.11 | Tem | so I was thinking to myself "this damn node better be worth it" |
| 04:23.25 | Xinhuan | and a rogue saps you and ninjas it |
| 04:23.29 | Tem | 2x[Star of Elune] |
| 04:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 04:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 04:23.34 | Tem | and a Nether residue |
| 04:23.44 | Lopeppeppy | What's a one-of-those? |
| 04:23.57 | Tem | it's part of a daily quest |
| 04:24.03 | Tem | you need 8 of them |
| 04:24.04 | p3lim | tem: http://beverpung.net/images/games/wow/Otravi/casual/giefherb.png |
| 04:24.19 | Tem | and so far, I've only found them in mining nodes |
| 04:24.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, thanks Tem. I haven't been in game really, I've been packing a lot this week instead. |
| 04:25.28 | Tem | p3lim, is there something I'm missing in that screenshot? |
| 04:27.43 | p3lim | he had to kill lots of mobs + a ally to get to that single herb |
| 04:27.56 | p3lim | look behind the undead |
| 04:29.25 | Shirik | This is so stupid |
| 04:29.34 | Shirik | My client is now making little curly quotes “ “ “ “ “” “” “” |
| 04:29.35 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:29.40 | Shirik | I canÂ’t write lua code in chat anymore |
| 04:29.46 | Shirik | anyone have an idea of how to turn it off? |
| 04:30.21 | Shirik | Even the single quotes ‘’ ‘’ ‘’ |
| 04:31.29 | Gngsk | wow, that's strange |
| 04:31.33 | Gngsk | what client do you use? |
| 04:31.47 | Shirik | nbs-irc over mirc |
| 04:31.57 | Gngsk | never heard of it |
| 04:31.58 | Shirik | but itÂ’s never done this before, and I havenÂ’t updated :/ |
| 04:32.15 | Gngsk | might've hid some keystroke that enabled it? |
| 04:32.20 | Shirik | probably |
| 04:32.24 | Recluse | how many installed addons = an addon junkie, you reckon? |
| 04:32.28 | Gngsk | I always get surprised when I hit insert in an editor and start overwriting shit |
| 04:32.39 | Gngsk | Recluse, 100+? |
| 04:32.48 | Shirik | Recluse: At least one more than you normally use |
| 04:32.51 | Recluse | cries |
| 04:33.30 | Lopeppeppy | Addiction is not in the number, but in the attitude and dependency. |
| 04:33.37 | Recluse | Well, I only run about 100 per character, but I've got a little over 200 actually installed (many are class-specific) |
| 04:34.32 | p3lim | holy crap? |
| 04:34.35 | p3lim | i have like 20 tops |
| 04:34.44 | p3lim | half of them enabled depending on what char |
| 04:34.45 | Shirik | how many do you actually use? |
| 04:34.52 | Shirik | and how many of those are “modular” folders |
| 04:34.59 | Shirik | I use the term “modular” loosely |
| 04:35.04 | Recluse | lol |
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| 04:35.14 | p3lim | each patch i wipe out Interface and WTF folder |
| 04:35.14 | Cide | I use it to refer to most ace addons these days |
| 04:35.37 | p3lim | anyways, gnite |
| 04:35.39 | Cide | p3lim: ouch. |
| 04:35.43 | Recluse | Well, so many are to do small things and all, but I don't think I could play (at 70) without them. |
| 04:35.46 | Shirik | if people want to write modular addons they need to understand low coupling, high cohesion |
| 04:35.50 | Shirik | not the other way around |
| 04:35.53 | Shirik | like some addons are written |
| 04:36.00 | Cide | Shirik: high cohesion, low coupling? |
| 04:36.10 | Cide | ~bonk self |
| 04:36.11 | purl | ACTION bonks self over the head |
| 04:36.11 | Lopeppeppy | High coupling. *winks8 |
| 04:36.33 | Shirik | isnÂ’t that what I said? |
| 04:36.41 | Cide | ya, I just switched the order |
| 04:36.47 | Cide | you said "other way around" |
| 04:36.51 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:36.53 | Cide | and then I bonked myself |
| 04:36.53 | Recluse | Well, yes - I understand what you mean - the way Auctioneer takes 5-10 folders/addon list entries for example |
| 04:36.56 | Shirik | not high coupling low cohesion >< |
| 04:36.57 | Cide | it's ok, I already took care of it |
| 04:37.01 | Lukian | Iriel, any luck / ideas? |
| 04:37.13 | Iriel | Lukian: Decided to fix a quick addon bug first |
| 04:37.31 | Shirik | No point making a “modular” addon if every module has five hundred dependencies between each other so they’re all interdependent |
| 04:37.56 | Cide | yep, exactly |
| 04:38.35 | Shirik | CairennÂ’s mean |
| 04:38.44 | Cairenn | yes I am |
| 04:39.18 | Recluse | Hmm, I should rephrase - I could play without them. I could not play well without them. |
| 04:39.56 | Lukian | Iriel, well my hearth didn't fail with all addons disabled |
| 04:40.01 | Lukian | so it's probably one of them |
| 04:40.19 | Iriel | do you have gatherer? |
| 04:40.25 | Lukian | nope |
| 04:40.35 | enum | would using the unitflag number be a suitable way to filter combat log messages for processing? say I want to process spell data from a hostile npc, directed towards me... 68168 |
| 04:40.45 | MentalPower | Shirik: I've worked very hard to limit inter-module deps |
| 04:40.48 | Iriel | enum you'd use bit.band and check the result |
| 04:40.52 | MentalPower | in auc |
| 04:40.57 | Shirik | that was not a snipe at auctioneer at all |
| 04:41.00 | Shirik | if thatÂ’s the way you took it |
| 04:41.09 | Iriel | so if (bit.band(someFlag, 68168) == 68168) then |
| 04:41.19 | Shirik | I actually havenÂ’t looked at auctioneerÂ’s code but I trust it enough to use it >< |
| 04:41.21 | MentalPower | nah |
| 04:41.42 | MentalPower | in fact, I should not have directed that at you |
| 04:41.53 | Shirik | but I do know for a fact that there are “modular” addons out there that might as well be one big package, because that’s all they are |
| 04:42.02 | Shirik | they just decided to put each function in a different folder |
| 04:42.03 | MentalPower | it should've been directed at Recluse |
| 04:42.07 | Cairenn | it's okay guys, everyone is tired, it's been a long stressful week |
| 04:42.24 | Shirik | yup, everyoneÂ’s tired. You should go to sleep Cairenn |
| 04:42.30 | Shirik | and let me test that file so you can go to sleep |
| 04:42.33 | Cairenn | Shirik: later |
| 04:42.35 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:42.58 | Recluse | MentalPower: That's fine with me, I'm not complaining :p Was just using it as an example of a single addon that appears as several. |
| 04:43.08 | Shirik | that can be a good thing |
| 04:43.10 | Shirik | if itÂ’s done correctly |
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| 04:43.32 | WobWork | some addons are modular like a child with a bucket of lego and a jumbo tube of superglue |
| 04:43.32 | MentalPower | Recluse: you should see my install of auctioneer, at least yours has all the embeddable parts embedded |
| 04:43.37 | MentalPower | :P |
| 04:43.40 | Recluse | lol |
| 04:44.09 | MentalPower | WobWork: thats quote material :) |
| 04:44.16 | Recluse | But, like Pitbull way back when (god that thing was a good 20 folders), it is nice to have it all in a single folder now, imo |
| 04:44.18 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 04:44.38 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | "some addons are modular like a child with a bucket of lego and a jumbo tube of superglue" - Wobin |
| 04:44.43 | Shirik | ha |
| 04:44.46 | MentalPower | lol! |
| 04:44.50 | MentalPower | thanks Cairenn |
| 04:44.51 | Cairenn | yes, yes it is quotable |
| 04:44.57 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:45.17 | enum | Iriel: bit.band(arg5) and arg5 return the same exact thing |
| 04:45.29 | Cairenn | ~seen pastamancer |
| 04:45.33 | purl | pastamancer is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'haste: I'd just as soon not know what's going on with alar's taint'. |
| 04:45.33 | MentalPower | enum: you need something to add to it |
| 04:45.44 | Iriel | enum: Go back and look at what i typed again |
| 04:46.03 | MentalPower | WobWork: they still hosting an open proxy at your workplace? |
| 04:46.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: ping because I can't find the post. How do I list raid member revisions for Omen? |
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| 04:46.40 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Know bug in 66516 with aggro not being reset inbetween fights? |
| 04:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | *Known |
| 04:48.24 | WobWork | MentalPower: Heh, probably |
| 04:48.28 | WobWork | lemme check |
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| 04:48.58 | WobWor1 | woo |
| 04:49.02 | MentalPower | guess not |
| 04:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. To the bug tracker. |
| 04:49.12 | MentalPower | you didn't get k-lined |
| 04:49.15 | MentalPower | :) |
| 04:49.18 | WobWor1 | hehe |
| 04:49.23 | WobWor1 | not that I minded the web irc |
| 04:49.29 | WobWor1 | although it's easier to type on this |
| 04:49.33 | Shirik | reports WobWor1 to ircops |
| 04:49.35 | WobWor1 | k meeting time brb |
| 04:49.42 | MentalPower | later wobin |
| 04:51.07 | enum | Iriel: I don't think I fully understand... In my script, I 'know' that 68168 is a for an outsider, hostile, npc type of npc control. arg5 ( destFlags ) returns this. Why would I need to use bit.band? sorry, I just don't think I fully grasp your pov |
| 04:52.01 | MentalPower | enum: how do you know this? |
| 04:52.17 | enum | by tracking it in game, via multiple targets |
| 04:52.25 | MentalPower | so you guessed |
| 04:52.37 | enum | yeah, pretty much. I wasn't sure of another way |
| 04:52.58 | Iriel | MP: It's documented in the thread, too |
| 04:53.18 | Iriel | Anyway, you use bit.band so that if there are other flag bits you DONT care about (and there may not be) then you wont be disturbed by them |
| 04:53.31 | p3lim | ~seen haste |
| 04:53.32 | purl | haste is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace, last said: 'cogumel0: so no, it won't be GC'd'. |
| 04:54.23 | enum | and I don't really understand what you guys meant by using bit.band(). I mean, I read through the unitflags page on wowiki, but hex has never really been a friend of mine, it seemed to make sense, and I couldn't get an answer here on the unitflags stuff. So I did what I thought was locigal imo |
| 04:54.38 | Iriel | Do you know binary? |
| 04:54.50 | Iriel | (this will make things easy, or not, depending on your answer) |
| 04:54.56 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 04:55.07 | enum | heh, I wouldn't say I 'know' it... I know of it, and with enough time, and reading material I could figure it out |
| 04:55.44 | Iriel | Ok, well, any integer can be converted into a binary representation, where each digit is 0 or 1, rather than the 0-9 for decimal. |
| 04:56.01 | enum | I mean I know this... binary is comprised of a series of 1's and 0's ( on or off )... they usually come in groups of 8 ( 8 bits / byte ) |
| 04:56.03 | Iriel | e.g. 37 is 00100101 |
| 04:56.24 | Iriel | the rightmost digit is worth '1', the next one '2', then 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 |
| 04:56.31 | Iriel | that encoding is 1 + 4 + 32 = 37 |
| 04:57.00 | enum | k, got that |
| 04:57.25 | Iriel | Your 68168 is 65536 + 2048 + 512 + 64 + 8 |
| 04:57.36 | Iriel | each of those values is a bit, and the flags have meanings for each bit |
| 04:57.53 | Iriel | Now, they're usually written in hexedecimal, which assigns a single digit 0-'F' for each 4 binary bits |
| 04:58.01 | Iriel | 'a' - 'f' representing decimal 10-15 respectively |
| 04:58.11 | enum | right |
| 04:58.27 | Iriel | So looking here:L http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=43107123291&sid=1#177 |
| 04:58.52 | Iriel | The flags that matches are AFFILIATION_OUTSIDER (8), REACTION_HOSTILE(64 or 0x40) |
| 04:59.01 | Iriel | CONTROL_NPC (512 or 0x200 |
| 04:59.28 | Iriel | TYPE_NPC (2048 or 0x800) |
| 04:59.46 | Iriel | and OBJECT_TARGET (65536 or 0x10000) |
| 04:59.59 | Iriel | Notice that the OBJECT flags are not exclusive |
| 05:00.19 | Iriel | so if your target was ALSO your focus, you'd get 199240 |
| 05:00.31 | Iriel | that's why you use bit.band |
| 05:00.39 | Iriel | so you only look at those flags you care about, and ignore the others |
| 05:00.59 | Iriel | if you pick a set of flags, add them together, then bit.band a combat log flag with that set, then it'll return only those ones you care about |
| 05:01.14 | Iriel | If the result matches your 'mask' (the set you started with) then all of the bits in the mask are set |
| 05:01.54 | enum | my god, that was the best explanation I have ever received... thanks |
| 05:02.09 | Iriel | Note that in code you can do this... |
| 05:02.28 | Iriel | local myMask = COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_NPC + COMBATLOG_OBJECT_CONTROL_NPC; |
| 05:02.44 | Iriel | which can be easier to read than the numbers alone (since it includes the meaning) |
| 05:02.59 | enum | aha, I thought I had to use the numbers |
| 05:03.03 | enum | that helps a ton |
| 05:03.32 | Iriel | Look in Constants.lua |
| 05:03.36 | Iriel | it defines all of the standard flag bits |
| 05:03.43 | Iriel | (It's in FrameXML when you extract the UI code) |
| 05:04.10 | enum | right on, yeah. I've peaked in there a few times |
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| 05:05.06 | lagger | i'd use the function CombatLog_Object_IsA in Constants.lua its helpful |
| 05:06.05 | Iriel | Oh my god, that's horrible |
| 05:06.06 | enum | so, then... let's say my mask is 68168, then if I targeted said npc my mask would then no longer apply? since you said if the npc was also my foc then the flag would change to 199240. right? |
| 05:06.26 | Iriel | why dont they stick the result of bit.band ( unitFlags, flagType ) into a local? |
| 05:06.27 | Iriel | Ugh. |
| 05:06.38 | Iriel | enum: If your NPC was NOT targetted that mask would be wrong |
| 05:07.12 | Iriel | but lets say you're looking at the result of bit.band ( flag, 68168 ) |
| 05:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | If it wasn't targeted, you'd subtract 65536 from the mask |
| 05:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The mask will change according to the appropriate flags |
| 05:07.25 | lagger | i tried using a simple bit.band > 0 but it didnt work for me =\ |
| 05:07.31 | Iriel | then if you didn't target it, it wouldn't match.. but it was targeted and your focus, it WOULD match, because you'd mask out the FOCUS flag |
| 05:08.20 | Shirik | batrick, come back, I need your signals and systems assistance T_T |
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| 05:19.44 | Iriel | Hm.. hearth crash does NOT happen with Enchantrix, Gatherer, and TomTom disabled |
| 05:19.53 | Nom | bahaha VMWare rocks |
| 05:20.24 | Nom | We needed a new fresh WinXP machine... no problems... *creates new virtual machine* *install windows* .. there ya go |
| 05:21.37 | Amarande | Iriel: it's gatherer or tomtom then, if it's an addon and not just coincidence that it worked after disabling |
| 05:21.47 | Amarande | I run the Auctioneer suite and never had issues teleporting |
| 05:21.49 | Iriel | I suspect it's a bug in Astrolabe (embedded lib) ? |
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| 05:22.19 | Amarande | what error # is it when you crash, anyway? |
| 05:23.52 | WobWor1 | 132? |
| 05:23.53 | bleeter | Iriel: Esamynn's on the case, last I heard a race condition in some update code |
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| 05:24.25 | Iriel | It's a solid lockup |
| 05:24.26 | Iriel | not a crash |
| 05:32.12 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8510-FixCombatLog.html |
| 05:32.42 | Iriel | There's my contribution to saving the combat log world.. I /think/ it works, please test it if any of you are so inclined |
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| 05:39.35 | Lukian | I wonder if anyone's written a combat log filter yet, I'd love to get a view like swstats combat log with the default log |
| 05:42.35 | Atriace | Noooooo! I'm a newb. :( |
| 05:43.00 | Atriace | My dropdown menu didn't work after all because it didn't registerforclicks. >_< |
| 05:48.30 | Nom | Lukian: Recount is already working in 2.3 |
| 05:48.35 | Nom | 2.4 i mean |
| 05:58.06 | Cairenn | so is swstats |
| 05:59.20 | Cairenn | and violation |
| 05:59.29 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 06:01.26 | Fisker- | sex? |
| 06:01.39 | Cairenn | whenever possible |
| 06:01.41 | Nom | pallypower works fine tho |
| 06:02.25 | Cairenn | Nom: it's functional without update? |
| 06:02.41 | Fisker- | pallypower sucks |
| 06:04.11 | Nom | yes Cairenn :) |
| 06:04.33 | Cairenn | updated on the SG then |
| 06:04.35 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 06:06.54 | Amarande | Fisker: sex somehow refuses to work no matter what version of WoW it's run on. even back in 1.0 they had problems, and for some reason they haven't been able to fix the addon API to allow it to work. :) |
| 06:07.37 | Amarande | heh, actually, I still love the Debian description of it best. |
| 06:07.44 | Amarande | "Sex is still under development, and is known to be buggy" |
| 06:08.02 | Amarande | (Yes, this was actual text from dselect/apt) |
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| 06:09.34 | Nom | It's just a buffing mod... lets raid leaders configure which buffs each pally is going to do |
| 06:09.52 | Nom | It worked perfectly fine the last 2 raid nights, so I'm guessing it's all good :D |
| 06:10.32 | Nom | Deadly Boss Mods has a 2.4 version too |
| 06:10.33 | Nom | :D |
| 06:10.54 | Cairenn | yeah, I've got the home page for it listed on the guide |
| 06:10.59 | Nom | http://www.deadlybossmods.com/ <-- 3.10 released |
| 06:11.04 | Cairenn | I know |
| 06:11.24 | Nom | Elkano's BuffBars works fine in 2.4 too :D |
| 06:11.41 | art3mis | Amarande: have you tried using an addon that helps lengthen your interaction with the sex API? |
| 06:11.55 | Nom | Maybe the wowi versions haven't been updatd... i use the wowace updater for most of my mods, and many are all working |
| 06:11.55 | art3mis | i think it's part of the g_Spot() stuff |
| 06:12.05 | Fisker- | omg dbm sux |
| 06:12.13 | Olison | ~seen andreasg |
| 06:12.15 | purl | andreasg <n=ag`@0x503e75de.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 526d 12h 15m 33s ago, saying: 'ok, BC secure unit frame guys, how are you supposed to hide the target frame if the target unit doesn't exist?'. |
| 06:12.25 | Nom | GroupCalendar works, ItemRack too :D |
| 06:12.26 | Fisker- | ~seen ag` |
| 06:12.27 | purl | ag` <n=Andreas@0x535b3bba.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8d 9h 5m 58s ago, saying: 'so you use MSN explorer then? :D'. |
| 06:12.30 | Fisker- | ~seen ag`_ |
| 06:12.30 | purl | ag`_ <n=Andreas@0x535b3bba.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 102d 8h 3m 17s ago, saying: 'it's a joke :P'. |
| 06:12.33 | Fisker- | ~seen ag`__ |
| 06:12.33 | purl | ag`__ <n=Andreas@0x535cbbaa.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 606d 7h 15m 32s ago, saying: 'kergoth, try it out'. |
| 06:12.37 | Fisker- | oh well |
| 06:12.41 | Fisker- | 9 days i guess :P |
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| 06:14.58 | Olison | heh thanks Fisker- :) |
| 06:18.13 | Amarande | ok. apparently no Alliance boycott on our battlegroup after all |
| 06:18.14 | Amarande | unfortunately |
| 06:18.19 | Amarande | WSG and AV on Emberstorm are buggy :| |
| 06:18.40 | Amarande | WSG had the Alliance flag just vanish into thin air in one instance, and AV apparently is completely inaccessible to anyone |
| 06:25.42 | bleeter | and in other news, my guild refuse to call the new 5 man instance MgT or SPLAT5 and have gone with MrT |
| 06:26.15 | MentalPower | MrT |
| 06:26.17 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:31.17 | Amarande | Everyone calls it MT, which causes nice fun confusion with Mana Tombs |
| 06:31.21 | Amarande | I guess Mana Tombs has to be 'tombs' now |
| 06:31.29 | Olison | same as SH |
| 06:31.40 | Amarande | Or DM |
| 06:31.49 | Olison | hehe |
| 06:31.56 | Amarande | at least they're not SFK, though. |
| 06:32.02 | Amarande | which is an instance I don't mind if I never see again |
| 06:32.08 | Amarande | I don't mind running lowbies through instances every now and then |
| 06:32.13 | Amarande | but I hate, hate, EFFING HATE Shadowfang Keep |
| 06:32.28 | bleeter | I'm like that with Gnomer |
| 06:32.42 | Amarande | it's irritating having to walk up and beat every other mob up with my staff because they go immune to magic |
| 06:32.45 | Olison | gnomeregan sawks, man. can't find my way in there |
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| 06:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | god |
| 06:36.31 | NightHawkTheSane | want to be some fucking not-incompetant people who can kill their fucking constructs |
| 06:36.33 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously. |
| 06:37.25 | Olison | 354444444? |
| 06:37.29 | Olison | or what was it :D |
| 06:37.36 | NightHawkTheSane | it's called dont-fucking-suck. |
| 06:37.37 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 06:37.43 | Olison | hehehe |
| 06:42.08 | AbsoRayne | I just had a really interesting mod idea. |
| 06:42.22 | Olison | do tell |
| 06:42.35 | AbsoRayne | I wonder if theres a way I could so much as 'duplicate' a focus frame so that you can track multiple mobs in a high count pull. |
| 06:42.52 | AbsoRayne | Like I can track star circle diamond and markers for if the others are CCd that im not tanking. |
| 06:42.53 | Olison | I'd like that, yes |
| 06:44.30 | MentalPower | its possible now |
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| 06:44.45 | MentalPower | can't use it for targetting, but you can see if they break CC or something |
| 06:44.50 | AbsoRayne | I wonder if I could use that off of pitbull... |
| 06:45.27 | Recluse | Hmm? multiple focuses? |
| 06:45.47 | MentalPower | its possible with the new combat log |
| 06:46.15 | MentalPower | since you can tell a mod "tell me anything that happens to this mob" |
| 06:46.18 | AbsoRayne | MentalPower: Thats what I was thinking |
| 06:46.32 | MentalPower | visually even |
| 06:46.49 | AbsoRayne | It would be pretty easy to code a macro /pitbull focus1 - whatever # I need |
| 06:47.00 | AbsoRayne | Click, mark, macro, move on |
| 06:47.21 | MentalPower | and since the combat log now tells you when a mob has a raid icon on it, you can track those too |
| 06:54.10 | Olison | that calls for an evolution on perfecttargets, etc |
| 06:54.16 | Olison | s/on/of |
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| 07:07.48 | Drundia | so i sit here in silvermoon and see someone fighting nethermine ravagers and flayers in combat log |
| 07:08.10 | Drundia | anyone wants to discuss this? |
| 07:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | not really |
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| 07:13.29 | Atriace | Can someone reference "this" in PIL? I've tried searching through it, but I'm getting hits on sentence subjects "this" instead. |
| 07:14.09 | Iriel | this is not a lua thing |
| 07:14.12 | Iriel | this is a wow thing |
| 07:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | resists the urge to say "this is sparta!" |
| 07:14.42 | Atriace | I understand the purpose of this, I think, but what exactly does this refer to when in a lua file? |
| 07:15.02 | Atriace | notes his guild is the Spartans. Oh the irony. |
| 07:15.19 | Iriel | it's a global variable which is set to the 'current' recipient of an event or notification |
| 07:15.35 | Atriace | So it's a table? |
| 07:15.50 | Iriel | It's a reference to a table, yes |
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| 07:16.11 | Shirik | itÂ’s also evil in most cases :P |
| 07:16.41 | Atriace | goes to hunt down the current name for this in his project. |
| 07:17.08 | MentalPower | this:GetName() |
| 07:17.12 | MentalPower | its a frame |
| 07:19.04 | Atriace | I like the concept of placing mod globals inside of this since it doesn't clutter the global table. |
| 07:20.08 | MentalPower | eww... |
| 07:20.24 | widgertick | Why do people care about cluttering the global table? |
| 07:20.25 | MentalPower | why not just make a global table for you mod, and throw everything in there |
| 07:20.43 | MentalPower | widgertick: cause it lowers the chance that globals will conflict |
| 07:20.56 | MentalPower | oh, and we're not Blizz :P |
| 07:20.57 | Atriace | widgertick: it condones privacy. :) |
| 07:21.15 | Shirik | I grew up on object oriented languages and hiding private data :P |
| 07:21.16 | Atriace | MentalPower: it'd be the same difference as using this |
| 07:21.19 | Shirik | ItÂ’s kinda just... natural |
| 07:21.31 | Atriace | Wouldn't it? |
| 07:21.37 | Shirik | if thereÂ’s no reason for it to be exposed, it shouldnt be, is my philosophy |
| 07:21.59 | widgertick | Okies |
| 07:22.06 | Iriel | I care mostly because it avoids accidental conflicts |
| 07:22.17 | Shirik | And since a table lookup is just as fast as a global lookup |
| 07:22.30 | widgertick | The fervor with which I hear people defending the global namespace suggested to me some sort of inherant benefit |
| 07:22.33 | Shirik | might as well put all exposed things in a single table, then do local mod = whatever |
| 07:22.39 | Iriel | Like the thottbot idiocy that used globals like X |
| 07:22.45 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:22.55 | Iriel | some folks have a belief that the global namespace is /slow/ |
| 07:22.59 | Shirik | itÂ’s sometimes fun just to /dump foo or whatever |
| 07:23.05 | Iriel | they are generally not the people who bothered to TEST that |
| 07:23.32 | Iriel | there are compelling global-versus-local arguments though, some on 'protection', more on 'performance' |
| 07:23.52 | Shirik | eh, in Conspiracy we keep everything in a single namespace then do local Conspiracy=Conspiracy (or equivalent depending on module). so we still get global-access speed but hide it |
| 07:24.03 | Shirik | I donÂ’t see any real problem with that, itÂ’s not incredibly slow |
| 07:24.25 | Shirik | for the vital things like the onupdate script, optimizations were put there |
| 07:25.26 | Atriace | Aw.... sweet. Dude..... man.... I'm in love. |
| 07:26.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:26.45 | Atriace | Somehow... there's a little voice inside me that's saying "I wish I was a programmer at heart." This... buzz you get when things work, does it last into your professional days? |
| 07:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | the dr who theme just came up on my p laylist, and i went scrounging for my phone.. >< |
| 07:27.01 | widgertick | It starts taking larger successes |
| 07:27.03 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:27.27 | Shirik | this is fun: /script for k,v in pairs(_G) do if type(k) == ‘string’ and #k <= 2 do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(k) end end |
| 07:27.45 | Shirik | I do like the global x thatÂ’s floating around |
| 07:28.37 | Shirik | also, someone decided to do |
| 07:28.42 | Shirik | DK = “DK”, HP = “HP” |
| 07:28.46 | Shirik | o.O |
| 07:29.05 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 07:29.11 | NightHawkTheSane | apparently i dont have any 2 letter global vars.. |
| 07:30.10 | Atriace | Why not? Of the 676 possible values, you could do anything! 0_0 |
| 07:31.04 | MentalPower | whats the real issecurevar() |
| 07:31.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:31.57 | Shirik | issecurevariable? |
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| 07:35.09 | MentalPower | ./script for k,v in pairs(_G) do if type(k) == "string" and #k <= 2 then local _,culprit = issecurevariable(k) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(k.." > "..(culprit or "Blizz")) end end |
| 07:36.06 | Shirik | oooh |
| 07:36.09 | Shirik | I see one from auctioneer ^^ |
| 07:36.13 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 07:36.15 | MentalPower | which one? |
| 07:36.17 | Shirik | n |
| 07:36.40 | MentalPower | actually I see more than one |
| 07:36.40 | Shirik | apparently itÂ’s currently 11 |
| 07:36.51 | Shirik | well I havenÂ’t actually loaded auctioneer as far as IÂ’m aware |
| 07:36.55 | MentalPower | n, p |
| 07:36.58 | Shirik | or itÂ’s partially loaded or whatever LOD stuff youÂ’re doing |
| 07:37.10 | MentalPower | AucAdvanced does not do LoD |
| 07:37.18 | Shirik | oh no? |
| 07:37.24 | MentalPower | and its actually configator, not AucAdvanced |
| 07:37.40 | MentalPower | has all the libs un-embedded |
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| 07:47.28 | Atriace | brain.... becoming.... unresponsive.... |
| 07:47.35 | Cairenn | morning nevcairiel |
| 07:47.38 | Atriace | moo |
| 07:47.47 | nevcairiel | morning |
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| 07:56.24 | p30n | morn |
| 07:56.38 | Cairenn | hi p30n |
| 07:57.16 | p30n | hey |
| 07:57.36 | p30n | just so you all know, translating webpages is funnay |
| 07:57.42 | p30n | not :'( |
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| 08:23.46 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/27/funny-pictures-it-needs-mai-kisses/ |
| 08:24.00 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/27/funny-pictures-godzilla-cat-stomps-invisible-tokyo/ |
| 08:30.56 | Guillotine | Anybody done Kael on heroic yet? |
| 08:32.06 | Gngsk | i haven't, but i hear it's the same as on normal |
| 08:34.41 | Shirik | sighs at reading 2000 lines of code with the only comments being “----------------------------------------------------” |
| 08:35.38 | p30n | Guillotine: yea ive done it, all i can say is that a healing pala sux balls there |
| 08:35.50 | Guillotine | Gngsk: not at all |
| 08:35.53 | p30n | at least i had problems keeping everyone up, too much spread dmg |
| 08:35.58 | p30n | at least in phase 2 |
| 08:42.18 | Shirik | Anyone want to confirm my sanity here? e^(ab) == e^a + e^b |
| 08:42.20 | Shirik | is that correct? |
| 08:44.06 | MentalPower | I think so, but lets ask the computer |
| 08:44.20 | MentalPower | lua> math.e |
| 08:44.21 | lua_bot | MentalPower: nil |
| 08:44.25 | MentalPower | lua> math.pi |
| 08:44.25 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 3.1415926535898 |
| 08:45.42 | MentalPower | lua> math.randseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random() math.random() pp(math.pi^(a*b), math.pi^a + math.pi^b) |
| 08:45.43 | lua_bot | MentalPower: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'randseed' (a nil value) |
| 08:45.51 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random() math.random() pp(math.pi^(a*b), math.pi^a + math.pi^b) |
| 08:45.51 | lua_bot | MentalPower: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'b' (a nil value) |
| 08:46.07 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random() math.random() pp(math.pi^(a*b), math.pi^a + math.pi^b) |
| 08:46.08 | lua_bot | MentalPower: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'b' (a nil value) |
| 08:46.16 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random(), math.random() pp(math.pi^(a*b), math.pi^a + math.pi^b) |
| 08:46.17 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 1.0066413716808, 2.2247695640187 |
| 08:46.23 | MentalPower | Shirik: ^^^^ |
| 08:46.28 | MentalPower | the answer seems to be no |
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| 08:47.38 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 08:47.44 | Shirik | itÂ’s e^(a+b) == e^a * e^b |
| 08:48.03 | MentalPower | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random(), math.random() pp(math.pi^(a*b), math.pi^a * math.pi^b) |
| 08:48.03 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2.3830886853389, 7.3499481398978 |
| 08:48.06 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:48.08 | MentalPower | still no |
| 08:48.12 | Shirik | no you fail |
| 08:48.19 | Shirik | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random(), math.random() pp(math.pi^(a+b), math.pi^a * math.pi^b) |
| 08:48.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3.4185486238658, 3.4185486238658 |
| 08:48.32 | MentalPower | oh (a+b) |
| 08:48.35 | MentalPower | didn't notice that one |
| 08:48.44 | Shirik | but unfortunately thatÂ’s not what I need |
| 08:49.11 | Shirik | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random(), math.random() pp(math.pi^(a*b), math.pi^(a^b)) |
| 08:49.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.4660087125989, 2.7640304744998 |
| 08:49.15 | Shirik | sigh |
| 08:49.30 | Shirik | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) local a,b = math.random(), math.random() pp(math.pi^(a*b), (math.pi^a)^b) |
| 08:49.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.6793423919615, 1.6793423919615 |
| 08:49.34 | Shirik | there we are |
| 08:52.03 | cladhaire | so what should my bot's infobot trigger be for #lua? |
| 08:52.11 | cladhaire | i.e. should i just have it operate like purl |
| 08:52.13 | cladhaire | or use !fact |
| 08:52.19 | cladhaire | or lua_bot, facT? |
| 08:52.34 | MentalPower | why not just lua> ? |
| 08:52.39 | MentalPower | or is it another kind of bot? |
| 08:53.25 | cladhaire | the purl functionality |
| 08:53.30 | cladhaire | that's used to run lua code |
| 08:53.36 | cladhaire | this is arbitrary fact storage and retrieval |
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| 08:54.16 | MentalPower | is confused |
| 08:54.33 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 08:54.34 | purl | from memory, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 08:54.40 | cladhaire | The bot will store facts, like purl does |
| 08:54.43 | cladhaire | and allow people to recall them |
| 08:54.50 | Kaelten | eck |
| 08:54.51 | Corrodias | ~phallus |
| 08:54.51 | purl | it has been said that phallus is an erect penis |
| 08:55.09 | Corrodias | tasty, yet somewhat inaccurate, i think |
| 08:55.12 | cladhaire | so the people in #lua can store things like pil so they dont' have to type out what it is each time. |
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| 08:55.50 | MentalPower | why not have purl in there? |
| 08:56.09 | cladhaire | well for a few reasons |
| 08:56.15 | cladhaire | 1.) they don't know purl, and purl has lots of crud in it |
| 08:56.25 | cladhaire | 2.) lua_bot is there for everything else in the channel, so it makes sense to add this here |
| 08:56.28 | cladhaire | 3.) its easy enough to do |
| 08:56.37 | cladhaire | I was just looking for a suggestion on the trigger |
| 08:56.44 | cladhaire | we currently use !api for api documentation |
| 08:56.47 | cladhaire | !api next |
| 08:56.48 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'next' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-next |
| 08:56.58 | MentalPower | then just use ! |
| 08:57.09 | cladhaire | yeah i suppose i can |
| 08:57.21 | cladhaire | was just asking |
| 08:57.22 | MentalPower | tho looking at #botpark , thats taken |
| 08:57.23 | cladhaire | geesh :P |
| 08:57.33 | cladhaire | well this would only run in #lua |
| 08:57.37 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.58 | MentalPower | % is free |
| 08:58.24 | cladhaire | meh we'll see |
| 08:58.27 | MentalPower | %^&* are all free |
| 08:58.34 | cladhaire | hrm okay |
| 08:58.37 | MentalPower | ? is a good one |
| 08:58.50 | cladhaire | yeah it is |
| 08:58.56 | MentalPower | take it! |
| 08:59.06 | cladhaire | zomg |
| 08:59.09 | cladhaire | WHERE IS TEH BOT REGISTREE |
| 08:59.26 | cladhaire | Jonas Brothers, Rod Stewart, Rolling Stones, and More! |
| 08:59.29 | cladhaire | thank you Citi Cards |
| 08:59.47 | MentalPower | TimRiker be the bot registrar :P |
| 09:00.38 | cladhaire | i'll look at it later |
| 09:00.44 | cladhaire | not too horribly concerned about it |
| 09:00.55 | cladhaire | since #lua only has the two bots |
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| 09:04.11 | cladhaire | gah |
| 09:04.14 | cladhaire | 3 private messages |
| 09:04.16 | cladhaire | 17 file comments |
| 09:04.18 | cladhaire | 2 forum posts |
| 09:04.22 | cladhaire | LEAVE ME ALONE |
| 09:05.08 | Cairenn | hugs cladhaire |
| 09:06.09 | cladhaire | "{ |
| 09:06.10 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 09:16.12 | AbsoRayne | yawns |
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| 09:51.12 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
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| 09:53.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
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| 09:58.51 | Wobin | ~weather YSSY |
| 09:59.36 | Roblibob | wow that bot knows everything ;) |
| 09:59.57 | Roblibob | ~weather ESDF |
| 10:00.45 | Roblibob | gief sydney temperature :( |
| 10:03.00 | Wobin | ~weather 94764 |
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| 10:26.59 | art3mis | spammers! |
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| 11:03.11 | [dRaCo] | hey, anyone able to delete a bug report I accidently double-postet? |
| 11:03.14 | [dRaCo] | *posted |
| 11:04.00 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=156&sb=mod&a=listbugs&page=2 <-- one of those. thanks |
| 11:07.53 | Cairenn | deleted |
| 11:07.59 | [dRaCo] | thanks |
| 11:08.05 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 11:09.24 | art3mis | heyc airenn |
| 11:09.33 | art3mis | ya know that right side square add? |
| 11:09.46 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 11:09.59 | art3mis | the premium link pulls down under it |
| 11:10.07 | art3mis | so it cuts off most ofwhat its saying |
| 11:10.09 | [dRaCo] | uhm, still shows both reports here, cairenn... the one by rshak are mine |
| 11:10.27 | Cairenn | os & browser info please art3mis |
| 11:10.33 | art3mis | ff3 xp |
| 11:11.03 | Cairenn | [dRaCo]: odd, I'll look again in a minute |
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| 11:13.00 | art3mis | WOW |
| 11:13.05 | art3mis | that lincoln ad is irritating |
| 11:13.16 | art3mis | Roll over to expand and the close is in the top right |
| 11:13.23 | art3mis | so you close it and then roll over the add |
| 11:13.26 | art3mis | which opens it |
| 11:13.27 | art3mis | heh |
| 11:13.53 | art3mis | yeah i checked opera and ie7 |
| 11:14.02 | art3mis | it's only ff3b4 that pops under the add |
| 11:14.14 | art3mis | unless it's just that add for the nokia phone that it behaves that way |
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| 11:16.54 | Cairenn | I've copied the info over for dolby so he can look into it later |
| 11:17.16 | Cairenn | [dRaCo]: fixed again again |
| 11:18.28 | Cairenn | I missed a box I needed to tick, the first time |
| 11:19.41 | art3mis | guess whos touring cairenn |
| 11:19.51 | Cairenn | the guess who? |
| 11:19.54 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 11:19.59 | art3mis | close |
| 11:20.00 | art3mis | ! |
| 11:20.02 | art3mis | KiTH |
| 11:20.07 | art3mis | all the original members |
| 11:20.17 | art3mis | they're doing 4 shows for 3 days here in april |
| 11:20.52 | Cairenn | art3mis: lol |
| 11:20.59 | Cairenn | nice |
| 11:22.41 | art3mis | http://valleywag.com/372624/what-worms-virus-and-spam-attacks-look-like-in-3d |
| 11:22.55 | art3mis | i think they're taking smoe liberties in that "art" |
| 11:23.52 | art3mis | the canadian in me sys i hav to see them ;P |
| 11:24.02 | art3mis | oh adn the ruttles are touring too |
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| 11:29.15 | art3mis | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=207552174&adid=17654&dcaid=17654 |
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| 11:44.58 | art3mis | http://www.rlslog.net/amd-ships-triple-core-phenom-x3/ |
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| 11:51.43 | art3mis | https://www.photoshop.com/express/landing.html <-- awesome |
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| 11:56.34 | art3mis | https://art3mis.photoshop.com/?trackingid=BTAGC&wf=share&galleryid=9f8cb28dca1e4d4da037aa674c6d968a |
| 12:01.46 | Oggie | How can I create a multi-column sortable list, like the Guild dialog where you can sort by name, level, class, or the auctionhouse dialog |
| 12:02.23 | dylanm | I would take a look at the FrameXML for the guild pane. |
| 12:03.16 | Oggie | Oh right, amongst the extracted interface data? |
| 12:03.43 | dylanm | Yessir. You can always look at it on wdnaddons.com too. |
| 12:04.34 | dylanm | Of course, reading Blizzard code can be something of a challenge. |
| 12:04.41 | Oggie | Oh, how neat. Thanks dylanm |
| 12:04.57 | dylanm | It looks like they do most of this in FriendsFrame.xml and it's pretty cluttered :>. |
| 12:05.19 | Oggie | Yeah but at least it gives me an idea of where to find the things I need |
| 12:05.42 | Oggie | Guess it takes some time to get used to navigating the source |
| 12:06.21 | dylanm | Heh. Sometimes it's easier to look at an addon that does what you want, is what I'm saying I guess. |
| 12:07.14 | Oggie | Just couldn't remember any addons where I've seen this widget |
| 12:08.09 | clad|office | Oggie: you just want to know how to create one? |
| 12:08.22 | clad|office | its justa fauxscroll frame, with buttons at the top to allow clicking for sorting |
| 12:08.40 | Cairenn | ~wdn |
| 12:08.40 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 12:09.05 | Oggie | But how will the columns be aligned below the buttons? FauxScroll magic? |
| 12:09.13 | clad|office | no, you decide that |
| 12:09.17 | dylanm | No, you do that yourself. |
| 12:09.17 | clad|office | so forget FSF for now. |
| 12:09.20 | clad|office | if you want a row |
| 12:09.24 | clad|office | you make a series of font strings |
| 12:09.28 | dylanm | With the magic... of SetPoint. |
| 12:09.30 | clad|office | and set them up graphically int he columns you want |
| 12:09.39 | clad|office | so lets say you make three columns, and three rows |
| 12:09.42 | clad|office | you have 9 font strings, right? |
| 12:09.58 | Oggie | Ah got it |
| 12:10.01 | clad|office | okay |
| 12:10.04 | clad|office | so what you do then |
| 12:10.07 | clad|office | is if you have 10 items |
| 12:10.16 | clad|office | uyou only want to display 3 at a time |
| 12:10.25 | clad|office | (your scope may be bigger, same principle should apply) |
| 12:10.26 | clad|office | right? |
| 12:10.36 | Oggie | Yeah |
| 12:10.40 | clad|office | so you maek a slider |
| 12:10.42 | clad|office | that has a min value of 0 |
| 12:10.45 | clad|office | and a max value of 7 |
| 12:10.52 | clad|office | and when the value of that slider changes |
| 12:10.57 | clad|office | you re-fill the rows with the correct data |
| 12:11.03 | clad|office | i.e. when the slider is at 0, you show the first three entries |
| 12:11.09 | clad|office | when its at one, you should 2,3,4 |
| 12:11.11 | clad|office | and so on |
| 12:11.18 | clad|office | thats the general concept |
| 12:11.25 | clad|office | making that sortable is an easy exercise at that point |
| 12:11.38 | Oggie | And easy to understand |
| 12:11.55 | clad|office | you can re-use the textuers from the friends/guild frame if you'd like |
| 12:12.00 | clad|office | same basic principle applies |
| 12:12.07 | clad|office | FauxScrollFrame template can be a bitch to grok |
| 12:12.12 | clad|office | using a simlpe slider is much easier |
| 12:12.52 | Oggie | I think I've got the concept, gonna start playing around with what I've learned |
| 12:13.03 | clad|office | i'll be here for msot of the day |
| 12:13.12 | clad|office | i can actually shoot you part ofa cahter from the book on scroll frames if it would be useful |
| 12:13.17 | clad|office | but take a look first :P |
| 12:13.43 | Oggie | Yeah, don't make it too easy for me ;) |
| 12:13.53 | Oggie | Need a challenge if I'm gonna learn this stuff |
| 12:14.41 | clad|office | :P |
| 12:14.56 | clad|office | well you've picked a good challenge, but its an easy roadmap |
| 12:15.12 | clad|office | doing it without worry abotu layout or graphics, to understand the concept itself is the best way to do it, imo |
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| 12:16.09 | dylanm | clad|office: Are you guys going to put out some sort of official addendum whenever Blizzard radically changes something? |
| 12:16.47 | dylanm | Just curious :p seems as if you're in a far different position than you would be were you writing, say, a Python book. |
| 12:17.18 | clad|office | dylanm: companion website |
| 12:17.21 | clad|office | and possible second editions |
| 12:17.29 | clad|office | the entire api reference will be available online |
| 12:17.33 | clad|office | along with lots of other things |
| 12:17.55 | dylanm | I hope alar buys one. |
| 12:17.56 | clad|office | like wowwiki |
| 12:17.59 | clad|office | but actually up to date |
| 12:18.37 | dylanm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.45 | Nom | Bongos3? O_o |
| 12:37.52 | p30n | orly? |
| 12:39.09 | Cairenn | Nom: what about it? |
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| 12:51.27 | Nom | I just saw it lol |
| 12:51.38 | Cairenn | okay ... |
| 12:53.05 | Nom | meh i dunno.. just surprised me... didn't think there'd be enough changes required to it to justify anything more than a dot release |
| 12:53.13 | Cairenn | ah |
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| 12:53.44 | Cairenn | I think a lot of authors took this opportunity to do major clean up, re-write, etc |
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| 13:28.21 | Lukian | Nom, Cairenn, neither violation or recount do what I want regarding filtering |
| 13:28.50 | Lukian | I wish to see the last x events that happen before someone dies. or filter out how many crushing blows hit me |
| 13:32.28 | Bela|work | some are still doing rewrites, like me |
| 13:36.01 | [dRaCo] | recount did that before the patch |
| 13:36.16 | [dRaCo] | so prolly they'll reintroduce that feature later |
| 13:52.32 | sag_ich_nicht | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17193-paladin_retribution_dps_theorycraft/p119/#post690235 *flame* |
| 13:52.46 | p30n | ima lolret it |
| 13:53.31 | p30n | cromfel lol |
| 13:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | SILENCE |
| 13:55.35 | sag_ich_nicht | I KILL YOU! |
| 13:57.16 | p30n | right |
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| 14:24.15 | Oggie | If I have a <ScrollingMessageFrame name="DebugOutput"> with a size and anchors in my XML, shouldn't it be enough to allow for DebugOutput:AddMessage("Stuff...!"); in my .lua file? |
| 14:24.36 | Oggie | I don't get any text in the frame |
| 14:26.32 | clad|office | you probably have to set a font for the SMF |
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| 14:27.41 | nevcairiel | ya, needs a fontstring |
| 14:29.02 | Oggie | Do you guys use any kind of IDE for developing or just normal text-editors? |
| 14:29.17 | nevcairiel | text editor for me |
| 14:29.51 | clad|office | gvim |
| 14:30.21 | krka | gedit |
| 14:30.59 | Oggie | I installed "AddOn Studio for WoW" which is based on Visual Studio, the GUI editor seemed to work alright but setting font for the SMF didn't generate the XML I was expecting |
| 14:31.01 | |Pixel| | midnight commander :P |
| 14:31.47 | Oggie | Guess I'll have to fire up gvim and see if I can't fix it |
| 14:31.58 | sag_ich_nicht | xemacs |
| 14:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | . |
| 14:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing changed with the /focus command this patch, correct? |
| 14:32.25 | Lopeppeppy | hasn't had her wheaties yet this morning, brain dead |
| 14:32.31 | Nom | WE need an upgraded server |
| 14:32.48 | Fisker- | btw haste |
| 14:32.54 | Nom | Lukian: Recount does |
| 14:32.56 | Fisker- | it's impossible to get any quests done |
| 14:32.58 | Fisker- | stupid gankers! |
| 14:33.08 | Lukian | nom: where? |
| 14:33.09 | haste | Fisker-: I've done all the dailys today :p |
| 14:33.10 | Nom | Lukian: shift-click on your name in the recount window |
| 14:33.18 | haste | only got ganked once :3 |
| 14:33.21 | haste | by two rogues :< |
| 14:33.51 | Lukian | nom: that isn't in a textual format? |
| 14:34.20 | Fisker- | aww haste :( |
| 14:35.21 | Fisker- | where's inflames? |
| 14:35.30 | haste | how much is the loss when using the neutral ah? |
| 14:35.36 | haste | Fisker-: not online |
| 14:36.51 | Fisker- | I GAMBLED AND WON |
| 14:36.54 | Fisker- | 15% |
| 14:37.02 | Fisker- | kited some ganker to the guards |
| 14:37.14 | Fisker- | guards went on me because i "defended" myself |
| 14:37.19 | haste | buys another account. |
| 14:37.22 | Fisker- | but guy killed me before guards and guards killed him |
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| 14:37.35 | Fisker- | or perhaps it was me who ganked |
| 14:37.41 | Fisker- | and that guy who was defending himself |
| 14:37.45 | Fisker- | nevermind that though |
| 14:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | The guards settled the matter! |
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| 14:51.54 | pastamancer | Cairenn|afk: pong |
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| 15:09.03 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/27/funny-pictures-it-needs-mai-kisses/ |
| 15:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | I loved that one, zenzelezz. *hug* |
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| 15:40.10 | Industrial | I'm making my own baggins item config, http://pastebin.com/m23f39c9b. I'm trying to settle on the categories. Did I miss anything? |
| 15:41.02 | kergoth | only 4 sections in your bag? or are you making each of those sub categories a seperate section? |
| 15:42.30 | Industrial | yes |
| 15:42.55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:43.14 | Industrial | baggins allows for two levels of sections (else i'd have split soulbound up into sb/armor sb/weapons etc |
| 15:43.49 | Industrial | Ill do most of the filtering with PT3, and keep one category item for 'unfiltered' in baggins so I can see what I'm missing and add that later |
| 15:44.00 | Industrial | but its better to catch as much as you can beforehand :p |
| 15:44.11 | kergoth | there's only one level of sections for a bag, unless you're making 4 bags? |
| 15:44.15 | kergoth | baggins is almost too flexible |
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| 15:45.10 | Industrial | oh, yes the consumables/equipment/tradeskills/other are different bags |
| 15:46.57 | Industrial | I should prolly should put trinkets apart - outside of bop |
| 15:47.36 | kergoth | okay, that seems like a cool way to do it. though you might want to group the ammo/bullet makers from eng with the ammo instead of consumables, which is where they are by default, just so you can find em easier (thast what i did) |
| 15:47.39 | kergoth | thinks |
| 15:48.33 | kergoth | are crafted/gathered/mats/recipes/tools enough tradeskill categories? that could get pretty big, especially if you use this same bag setup for your bank |
| 15:48.43 | Industrial | hmm |
| 15:48.57 | kergoth | i ended up making a primals/motes section, then used baggins_professions to set up "other prof mats" "my prof mats" etc |
| 15:49.12 | Industrial | the boxes would be filtered to crafted I guess |
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| 15:49.48 | Industrial | also, the free slots is one category |
| 15:50.05 | Industrial | baggins uses different slots for them e.g. k32 for 32 free key slots, s20 for shards etc |
| 15:50.33 | kergoth | oh, yeah, i forgot they do that, thats cool |
| 15:50.41 | kergoth | maybe i should try a multiple bag approach |
| 15:50.56 | kergoth | would help draw the eye more, with one bag and a ton of sections it can start getting hard to find things, even with the sections, at times |
| 15:51.01 | kergoth | since you then have to find the right section :P |
| 15:52.07 | Industrial | :) |
| 15:52.12 | kergoth | i've been thinking of breaking up the prof mats better though, instead of mats/gathered/etc, jsut go 'leather', 'uncut gems', 'cut gems', 'other crafted', etc |
| 15:52.16 | Gngsk | kergoth, seems you forgot to add externals to your wowi upload of LootAlert. Without Ace3 enabled it errors on initialization. Also, icons still aren't working for me through MSBT. |
| 15:52.18 | kergoth | http://picasaweb.google.com/kergoth/WorldOfWarcraft/photo#5176968644953171218 is my current setup |
| 15:52.38 | kergoth | hmm, the icons work here, i'll test it by itself.. i knew i forgot something |
| 15:52.50 | Gngsk | k, thx |
| 15:52.55 | kergoth | Industrial: note how big current prof gathered gets on a bank full of supplies, heh |
| 15:53.05 | Gngsk | if there's anything I can do to help just lemme know |
| 15:55.37 | kergoth | Industrial: i presume what you're calling buffs is really elixirs & flasks? since food can give buffs too :P |
| 15:55.47 | kergoth | or are you seperating buff food from non-buff food? |
| 15:56.21 | Industrial | buffs would include all consumables that give you a buff eg flasks, elixirs, scrolls, food |
| 15:56.22 | kergoth | nice thing with baggins is you can go make your new bags without losing your current ones, no risk of screwing anything up until you're good & ready |
| 15:56.25 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 15:56.44 | Industrial | also potions include healthstones and mana stones (mage?) |
| 15:58.43 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e9fa6dd284fc2a9c32c790c1e4856e30.jpg |
| 15:58.48 | Industrial | now to make it filter :P |
| 16:03.30 | kergoth | Industrial: i like how you organized the categories.. by default they're granular,w hich is good, but they're just one big long list, which is bad :P |
| 16:04.16 | Industrial | thanks, I basically looked at PT3 a bit :) |
| 16:04.55 | kergoth | course now you've got me looking at my setup, so i'm gonna waste some hours... but itll be worth it :P |
| 16:05.22 | Gngsk | kergoth, ok I found the issue with icons. I had skill icons disabled in MSBT. Is there an easy work around for only having icons show for LootAlert and not skills? |
| 16:05.42 | kergoth | oh, yeah. i'll fix that, just make it use an embedded texture instaed of msbt's icon |
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| 16:05.54 | Gngsk | k, sounds good |
| 16:06.14 | kergoth | i hate it when something so simple becomes messier than it should be.. such is life |
| 16:07.42 | Gngsk | maybe suggest to mikord an option screen to select which abilities use icons, then you could just turn them all off and still use the same msg() |
| 16:07.55 | Gngsk | but I guess that has it's disadvantages too |
| 16:11.23 | Atriace | Anyone know what UNIT_FLAGS does exactly? |
| 16:11.36 | Atriace | Documentation on wowwiki == nil. |
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| 16:37.09 | Industrial | kergoth: doh I totally forgot quest items, class specific items (totems, ankhs, healthstone) |
| 16:38.53 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/45c5c26d90551fd36dad186d34e51357.jpg |
| 16:39.21 | Industrial | looks like something now but I have to make exclusions for a lot of thins like food != trade |
| 16:42.41 | dylanm | Sexy troll. |
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| 16:44.52 | Shirik|zZz | Industrial: What addon is that? |
| 16:46.26 | dylanm | Shirik|zZz: Which? |
| 16:46.45 | Shirik|zZz | the bags |
| 16:46.50 | dylanm | The bag addon? It's clearly Baggins. |
| 16:47.06 | Industrial | Baggins |
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| 16:49.57 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.10 | Industrial | kergoth: I made a quest/usable (including "begin to start") and quest/gathered |
| 16:54.23 | Industrial | unfortunately all keys are not keys :| |
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| 16:55.17 | Industrial | I can't get Deathforge Key and Flamewrought Key (dont have other atm) to my keys |
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| 17:25.35 | Atriace | If you use hooksecurefunc, will the new function derive the same local variables as the hooked function? |
| 17:27.31 | kergoth | no, its just a function that gets called after the other |
| 17:28.19 | dylanm | With the same parameters, mind. |
| 17:28.31 | dylanm | But none of the body of it is known to you, no. |
| 17:28.46 | Atriace | phewey |
| 17:33.19 | Tem | static scoped language, yo |
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| 17:53.11 | Saeris | Anyone know whether :SetHitRectInsets() works on Button objects? I can call it just fine, and :GetHitRectInsets() returns the values I set, but the button's hit rectangle doesn't change. |
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| 18:05.27 | Tem | Saeris, it does |
| 18:05.50 | Saeris | Any idea why the rectangle isn't changing then? |
| 18:05.55 | Tem | if it's not working for you then you're doing ti wrong |
| 18:12.58 | Saeris | I've got it working now. Apparently the insets don't apply until you re-anchor the object. Kind of odd, and certainly not documented. |
| 18:13.01 | widger|work | This one time, in #wowi-lounge, Tem was direct ;) |
| 18:13.07 | widger|work | And so was Saeris! |
| 18:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | smirks and doesn't go there. |
| 18:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. Peppy won that one. |
| 18:13.50 | Tem | Saeris, make sure you've got your signs right |
| 18:14.05 | Tem | a negative inset value may not do what you think it does |
| 18:14.45 | widger|work | (These are not the insets you're looking for) |
| 18:15.15 | Lopeppeppy | widger|work fed me that one directly, how could I not bite? |
| 18:17.11 | Saeris | This is what I'm using to test: /script local t = TEST; if t==nil then t = CreateFrame("Button", "TEST", UIParent, "UIPanelButtonTemplate"); t:SetHeight(50); t:SetWidth(50); end t:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER", 0, 50); t:SetHitRectInsets(5, 5, 5, 5); |
| 18:17.47 | Saeris | I can edit the SetHitRectInsets call to anything and it won't apply until I also change the y offset in the SetPoint call. |
| 18:19.17 | Saeris | Well, I mean, not necessarily to y offset, but anything in the SetPoint call such that the frame's position changes. |
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| 18:40.05 | bloodpa1nt | hello, sorry for disturbin but do you know addon that plays sound that i can choose myself if some buff appear? like Nightfall? just sound, i dont need any animations or anything else |
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| 18:46.44 | MentalPower | bloodpa1nt: NO PMs!! |
| 18:47.40 | Cairenn|afk | bloodpa1nt: if you keep up with spamming everyone in PMs, I'll contact the admins of freenode and have you klined |
| 18:47.41 | cog|work | seconded :P |
| 18:47.52 | Cide | that is, banned |
| 18:48.16 | Cairenn|afk | what Cide said - but it's a ban from the entire network, not just a channel or two |
| 18:48.17 | zenzelezz | it should be obvious that if no-one answers, they either aren't here right now or they don't know |
| 18:48.46 | Cairenn|afk | if anyone else gets a pm from bloodpa1nt, let me know |
| 18:49.24 | dylanm | I hope I do. Sounds friendly. |
| 18:52.10 | clad|office | bloodpa1nt: your question has already bee answered |
| 18:52.12 | clad|office | in #wowace |
| 18:52.13 | clad|office | a few hours ago |
| 18:52.17 | clad|office | stop PMing me |
| 18:52.23 | clad|office | we don't like it, especially when you do it to all of us. |
| 18:52.50 | haste | drama |
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| 18:53.06 | clad|office | indeed |
| 18:53.19 | Malgayne | I got one |
| 18:53.23 | Malgayne | Cairenn |
| 18:53.30 | clad|office | licks Malgayne |
| 18:53.38 | Malgayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.47 | MentalPower | lua> 0/0 == 0/0 |
| 18:54.48 | lua_bot | MentalPower: false |
| 18:55.01 | Industrial | o_o |
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| 18:55.24 | MentalPower | to the person that asked how to check if a number is NaN, I answered incorrectly ^^^^ |
| 18:55.24 | clad|office | NaN isn't equal to anything, imo |
| 18:55.28 | clad|office | lol |
| 18:55.33 | MentalPower | clad|office: correct |
| 18:55.35 | clad|office | lua> tonumber(0/0) |
| 18:55.35 | lua_bot | clad|office: nan |
| 18:55.42 | MentalPower | just read a Lua list regarding that |
| 18:56.24 | clad|office | lua> function isnan(x) return (tostring(tonumber(x)) == "nan") end; print(isnan(1), isnan(0/0), isnan("nan")) |
| 18:56.24 | lua_bot | clad|office: false, true, true |
| 18:56.28 | clad|office | DAMN |
| 18:56.55 | clad|office | lua> function isnan(x) return (tostring(tonumber(x)) == "nan") and type(x) == "number" end; print(isnan(1), isnan(0/0), isnan("nan")) |
| 18:56.55 | lua_bot | clad|office: false, true, false |
| 18:56.58 | clad|office | there we go |
| 18:57.03 | MentalPower | lua> function isnan(x) return x~=x end print(isnan(0/0)) |
| 18:57.03 | lua_bot | MentalPower: true |
| 18:57.15 | clad|office | at leaste of those steps is probably not necessary, but it works :P |
| 18:57.19 | MentalPower | (from the listserv) |
| 18:57.32 | clad|office | heh |
| 18:57.39 | clad|office | what listserv is this? |
| 18:58.00 | MentalPower | "By default, luaconf.h defines NaN as the number not equal to itself, which under IEEE 754 floating point is known as NaN as well." |
| 18:58.07 | clad|office | oh cool :P |
| 18:58.09 | MentalPower | lua@bazar2.conectiva.com.br |
| 18:58.11 | clad|office | good to know |
| 18:58.19 | clad|office | oh that thread |
| 18:58.23 | MentalPower | Lua Digest, Vol 95, Issue 9 |
| 18:58.23 | clad|office | i muted it |
| 18:58.24 | widger|work | lua> tostring(0/0) == tostring(0/0) |
| 18:58.24 | lua_bot | widger|work: true |
| 18:58.25 | MentalPower | yeah |
| 18:58.38 | clad|office | neat property |
| 18:59.39 | widger|work | I should read to the bottom |
| 18:59.40 | widger|work | And then type |
| 18:59.58 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [bloodpa1nt!i=c64a263b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-66ff281f3122c0e8] by widger|work (widger|work) |
| 19:00.03 | clad|office | haha |
| 19:00.07 | clad|office | widger|work: thanks |
| 19:00.14 | widger|work | My pleasure |
| 19:00.17 | widger|work | I don't like random PMs |
| 19:00.24 | mikma | lawl |
| 19:00.33 | mikma | so if i message you = kick? |
| 19:00.44 | clad|office | no |
| 19:00.45 | widger|work | No, you just stated that you intended to message me, so it wouldn't be random. |
| 19:00.49 | clad|office | he messages everyone |
| 19:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Keeping silent ftw |
| 19:02.04 | AbsoRayne | hyperyawns |
| 19:03.38 | Esamynn|Work | cheers widger|work for kicking the spammer |
| 19:04.20 | Duman | heh |
| 19:04.42 | Duman | what was he spamming? |
| 19:04.46 | Duman | oh, was he msging ppl |
| 19:04.46 | Esamynn|Work | pms |
| 19:04.48 | Duman | ahh |
| 19:04.53 | clad|office | hello, sorry for disturbin but do you know addon that plays sound that i can choose myself if some buff appear? like Nightfall? just sound, i dont need any animations or anything else |
| 19:04.58 | clad|office | a question |
| 19:05.04 | clad|office | that was answered, hours ago when he askedi n it #wowilounge |
| 19:05.05 | clad|office | err |
| 19:05.08 | clad|office | #wowace |
| 19:05.10 | Duman | ahh |
| 19:05.14 | Duman | like "parrot" ? :) |
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| 19:05.26 | clad|office | no |
| 19:05.31 | clad|office | there's an addon that does specifically that |
| 19:05.34 | Duman | ahh |
| 19:05.35 | clad|office | well |
| 19:05.38 | clad|office | not entirely |
| 19:05.40 | clad|office | but not parrot |
| 19:05.53 | Duman | actualyl, speaking of parrot... is it still broked (not showing in/out dmg - only buffs) |
| 19:05.59 | Duman | haven't tried updaing in a day or so |
| 19:06.00 | clad|office | like hello, sorry for disturbin but do you know addon that plays sound that i can choose myself if some buff appear? like Nightfall? just sound, i dont need any animations or anything else |
| 19:06.05 | clad|office | err |
| 19:06.08 | clad|office | like Avion |
| 19:06.20 | clad|office | http://wiki.wowace.com/wiki/Avion |
| 19:06.30 | clad|office | actually |
| 19:07.08 | clad|office | that might do just visual |
| 19:07.08 | Duman | whoa |
| 19:07.08 | clad|office | but eff it |
| 19:07.08 | Duman | haha |
| 19:07.08 | clad|office | he's a spammer |
| 19:07.08 | dylanm | Did someone pick that up? |
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| 19:23.59 | art3mis | https://art3mis.photoshop.com/?galleryid=9f8cb28dca1e4d4da037aa674c6d968a&wf=share&trackingid=BTAGC |
| 19:24.15 | art3mis | this adobe photoexpress online thing is neat |
| 19:24.46 | art3mis | http://www.photoshop.com/express/landing.html |
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| 19:25.43 | batrick | anybody have an irc client that doesn't screw with tab characters? |
| 19:25.53 | batrick | by default |
| 19:26.08 | enum | irssi :) |
| 19:26.17 | batrick | irssi by default changes them |
| 19:26.19 | batrick | ... |
| 19:26.22 | enum | does it? |
| 19:26.29 | art3mis | doesnt screw with how? |
| 19:26.29 | batrick | to that highlight capital I yes |
| 19:26.40 | batrick | as in, it actually displays a tab character? |
| 19:26.48 | batrick | --> "\t" |
| 19:26.48 | batbot | batrick: > |
| 19:26.57 | enum | huh, I haven't seen that issue |
| 19:27.04 | art3mis | hrm im not sure if mine does |
| 19:27.14 | batrick | --> "a\tb" |
| 19:27.14 | batbot | batrick: > ab |
| 19:27.17 | batrick | probably better |
| 19:27.43 | clad|office | i see a bolded capital I |
| 19:28.02 | haste | same |
| 19:28.18 | haste | capital I with a background |
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| 19:28.40 | art3mis | test |
| 19:28.41 | art3mis | this is a tab test |
| 19:28.46 | art3mis | appearantly mine doesnt |
| 19:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 15:27 <@clad|office> i see a bolded capital I |
| 19:29.02 | MentalPower | those look like tabs to me |
| 19:29.10 | art3mis | <batbot> batrick: > a b |
| 19:29.22 | enum | to me too |
| 19:29.36 | enum | i mean, they look like tabs to me too |
| 19:29.47 | art3mis | you just cant hit <tab> in the line sicn thats autocomplete ;P |
| 19:32.14 | art3mis | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/03/apple-auto-update-installs-more-icons-to-your-desktop.html |
| 19:32.51 | clad|office | hahah |
| 19:33.13 | widger|work | In otherwords, Apple is taking advantage of the fact that they don't have significant market share in order to engage in anti-competitive practices |
| 19:33.32 | widger|work | That's hard to believe, they're such an awesome, altruistic company that is all about interoperability |
| 19:33.32 | art3mis | http://www.bbspot.com/News/BBloopers/2008/03/3315.php |
| 19:34.44 | art3mis | If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? |
| 19:34.45 | art3mis | -Scott Adams |
| 19:34.51 | art3mis | i love that quote |
| 19:36.13 | batrick | "He said that Apple's graphic designers were working on more icons to include in the next update. "Most of them won't even have programs to link to, but they are very pretty." |
| 19:36.16 | batrick | lmfao |
| 19:37.20 | alestane | "Apple shares were up on the news." |
| 19:38.29 | art3mis | 2001: A Space Odyssey |
| 19:38.30 | art3mis | According to this film, in year 2001 we would have had manned voyages to Jupiter, a battle of wits with a sentient computer, and a quantum leap in human evolution. Instead we got the Mir Space Station falling from the sky, Windows XP, and Freddy Got Fingered. Apparently the lesson here is that sometimes it's better when the movies get the facts all wrong. |
| 19:38.46 | art3mis | http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/10mosthistoricallyinaccurate.html |
| 19:39.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.15 | widger|work | Windows XP was a wonderful improvement for non-business customers, especially considering the majority of them were using Windows 98 SE or Windows ME |
| 19:41.32 | cog|work | wasn't as much of an improvement until sp1 imo |
| 19:42.22 | widger|work | I think moving everyone to the NT kernal was a good idea and resulted in greatly increased stability |
| 19:42.31 | cog|work | agreed |
| 19:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | "I think"? Best move EVER. If you think otherwise, you're daft. |
| 19:44.00 | art3mis | http://www.13amp.org/pc/ |
| 19:44.05 | art3mis | ^^ ncie setup |
| 19:44.13 | widger|work | I've worked in customer service too long to state definitive opinions ;) |
| 19:44.16 | art3mis | i think eventually im gonna have to get something like that |
| 19:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | widger|work: yeah, I worked as a sysadmin. All I have is definitive opinions ;) |
| 19:50.48 | art3mis | http://www.hometech.com/rack/rackopt.html <-- cheap racks |
| 19:53.14 | art3mis | http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/11/how-to-rackmount-your-gear-for-cheap/ <-- homemade rackmount |
| 19:53.16 | art3mis | heh |
| 20:03.38 | batrick | any irssi pros here? |
| 20:04.11 | batrick | i know it's possible... how do you change the tab char which is a highlighted I to a regular tab? |
| 20:06.06 | p3lim | http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5758/wowscrnshot031608043830ef4.jpg |
| 20:06.11 | p3lim | what tooltip addon is that? |
| 20:06.17 | p3lim | just for the background tbh |
| 20:07.59 | batrick | Shirik|zZz: ping |
| 20:08.34 | dylanm | p3lim: I think TipTac can make that happen. |
| 20:08.52 | p3lim | cool, thanks |
| 20:09.58 | widger|work | I wonder if anyone's ever had a caTpiT |
| 20:10.15 | widger|work | Well, I'm sure many people have |
| 20:10.19 | widger|work | If you consider large cats |
| 20:10.23 | widger|work | But I mean house cats |
| 20:16.32 | alestane | widger|work: emails away! |
| 20:17.17 | Drundia | unbelievable. when ScrollingMessageFrame is spammed with AddMessage() and it causes massive scrolling of visible text it causes massive framerate lag. i clearly need someone important. |
| 20:17.30 | widger|work | And received, thanks Alestane ;) |
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| 20:21.20 | Drundia | adding 100 messages which cause scrolling = 45ms, adding 100 messages which don't = 3ms *cough* |
| 20:21.48 | Drundia | hmmm |
| 20:22.24 | Drundia | it just eats 40ms if it scrolls |
| 20:24.01 | Drundia | it only happens for ChatFrame2 too.... this is strange..... |
| 20:25.32 | lagger | if i do bit.bor(0x44,0x55) will that give 0x55? |
| 20:25.49 | kd3 | lua> bit.bor(0x44,0x55) |
| 20:25.49 | lua_bot | kd3: 85 |
| 20:26.04 | alestane | lua: print (0x55) |
| 20:26.10 | alestane | lua> print (0x55) |
| 20:26.11 | lua_bot | alestane: 85 |
| 20:26.15 | alestane | So yes. |
| 20:26.38 | lagger | kk |
| 20:26.59 | art3mis | man now i want a 16u rackmount case |
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| 20:27.15 | art3mis | throw all my crap in there would be perfect |
| 20:28.57 | art3mis | heh of course this IS new york so the cahances of my just finding a rackmount being thrown out is rpetty good ;P |
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| 20:34.04 | lagger | why does bit.bor(0x00000002,0x00000004) give 6 but bit.bor(0x00000002,0x00000003) gives 3 |
| 20:37.24 | Drundia | because some smart guy defined bitwise or like that |
| 20:37.50 | lagger | does it convert it |
| 20:37.55 | lagger | to binary? |
| 20:38.01 | lagger | and then do the operator |
| 20:38.10 | zenzelezz | it is already binary, you just expressed it in hex |
| 20:38.40 | zenzelezz | it's a normal binary OR (where 110 OR 010 = 110) |
| 20:38.47 | lagger | ah i c |
| 20:39.44 | zenzelezz | of course I wrote it the wrong way around, but the point is the same |
| 20:39.51 | Pac2722 | !Fnumbers |
| 20:40.33 | zenzelezz | does anyone happen to know if the WoWCombatLog.txt is written in UTF-8 or ASCII? |
| 20:42.59 | Slayman|WE | zenzelezz: my notepad++ says it#s UTF-8 |
| 20:43.24 | MentalPower | zenzelezz: UTF-8 |
| 20:43.33 | MentalPower | for compat with EU |
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| 21:03.00 | widger|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJPeffMSzVA |
| 21:04.15 | lagger | what exactly is COMBAT_LOG_NONE (0x80000000) suppose to be anyone know? |
| 21:07.32 | zenzelezz | is that a message or an ID lagger? |
| 21:07.44 | Drundia | it's flag |
| 21:08.07 | lagger | its in the Constants.lua under special cases |
| 21:08.10 | zenzelezz | in that case it's just what it says I believe, no target/caster (whoever it's a flag for) |
| 21:10.36 | lagger | wouldnt that be a flag for almost everything then |
| 21:11.09 | lagger | thats not raidtarget1-8, focus, target, mt |
| 21:11.48 | zenzelezz | no |
| 21:11.59 | zenzelezz | it's literally no unit at all |
| 21:12.07 | zenzelezz | (again, if I'm not mistaken) |
| 21:12.33 | zenzelezz | you still get GUIDs and flags for all sorts of mobs and players that aren't raid/target... etc |
| 21:13.30 | lagger | yeah isnt that what i meant |
| 21:13.31 | zenzelezz | it can also be a flag for things like poisons |
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| 21:14.23 | lagger | i c |
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| 21:26.39 | Shirik|Ecole | so I must admit I've never seen a 10mm fan before |
| 21:26.50 | Shirik|Ecole | but apparently we found some, and they blow really well.... |
| 21:27.22 | MentalPower | 1cm fan? |
| 21:27.31 | MentalPower | what do you use them for? |
| 21:27.43 | Shirik|Ecole | robot |
| 21:27.45 | MentalPower | oh, and pic would be nice, I'd love to see one |
| 21:28.00 | widger|work | I love robots that blow well |
| 21:28.04 | widger|work | They love me too |
| 21:28.21 | Shirik|Ecole | oh I'm sorry, it's 20mm |
| 21:28.34 | Shirik|Ecole | this is why I'm not on the mechanical team... |
| 21:28.41 | zenzelezz | RPM? |
| 21:28.49 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 21:28.53 | Shirik|Ecole | no idea >< |
| 21:28.58 | Shirik|Ecole | fast enough for me not to see the blades |
| 21:28.59 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 21:29.28 | MentalPower | widger|work: no comment |
| 21:29.41 | Shirik|Ecole | however |
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| 21:29.53 | Shirik|Ecole | my robot refuses to go anywhere because of ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED and I can't figure out why T_T |
| 21:30.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I think it's starting to take over the world |
| 21:30.09 | Shirik|Ecole | it is no longer listening to my orders |
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| 21:31.11 | zenzelezz | well which function returns that value? |
| 21:31.34 | Shirik|Ecole | GetLastError() :P |
| 21:31.43 | Shirik|Ecole | but CreateFile causes the error |
| 21:31.57 | Shirik|Ecole | (CreateFile is a bit of a misnomer, that's how you open a serial port) |
| 21:32.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Windows API has great naming conventions |
| 21:32.04 | zenzelezz | I know |
| 21:32.32 | zenzelezz | CreateFile isn't that bad actually, the devices it lets you open all serve the same purpose |
| 21:32.39 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 21:33.00 | Shirik|Ecole | thing is though, I don't think I've changed anything |
| 21:33.03 | Shirik|Ecole | and all of a sudden it's not working |
| 21:34.18 | Shirik|Ecole | ah For communications resources, the dwCreationDisposition parameter must be OPEN_EXISTING, the dwShareMode parameter must be zero (exclusive access), and the hTemplateFile parameter must be NULL. |
| 21:34.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't think I'm using OPEN_EXISTING >.> |
| 21:34.40 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 21:34.52 | Shirik|Ecole | wierd that it worked before |
| 21:35.05 | Shirik|Ecole | maybe I merged something in SVN I shouldn't have |
| 21:36.05 | Shirik|Ecole | nope didn't fix it, wtf >< |
| 21:36.42 | zenzelezz | I assume you're not suddenly running as a less privileged user or something like that? |
| 21:36.57 | Shirik|Ecole | don't believe so; I'm on XP with an administrator account |
| 21:37.19 | Shirik|Ecole | want to take a look at my call to see if I'm doing something stupid? You seem to be familiar with the Windows API |
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| 21:40.58 | zenzelezz | I sound more than I am, but I can have a look anway ;) |
| 21:41.01 | zenzelezz | I read a lot |
| 21:41.21 | Shirik|Ecole | can't hurt to have a fresh pair of eyes >< I haven't gotten a good night's sleep in a very long time |
| 21:42.01 | Shirik|Ecole | http://wowi.pastey.net/84600 |
| 21:43.20 | zenzelezz | what's the value of "port"? |
| 21:43.25 | Shirik|Ecole | um |
| 21:43.25 | Shirik|Ecole | sec |
| 21:43.34 | Shirik|Ecole | one would think I already checked that >< |
| 21:43.59 | Shirik|Ecole | +port0x003337a4 "COM5"const char * |
| 21:44.02 | Shirik|Ecole | so it's "COM5" |
| 21:44.27 | zenzelezz | should be valid then, in theory at least |
| 21:45.27 | Shirik|Ecole | oh no |
| 21:45.32 | Shirik|Ecole | oh no..... |
| 21:45.43 | Shirik|Ecole | that is so not funny |
| 21:45.50 | Shirik|Ecole | found it >.> |
| 21:46.13 | zenzelezz | do tell |
| 21:46.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I needed to use CreateFileA instead of CreateFile. Why it even compiled is beyond me, but apparently it was expecting wide characters instead of 8-bit character string |
| 21:46.37 | zenzelezz | your project is set to Unicode+ |
| 21:46.38 | zenzelezz | * ? |
| 21:46.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I guess it got set to unicode when I converted |
| 21:46.56 | zenzelezz | basically it mustbe |
| 21:47.20 | zenzelezz | there is no CreateFile function, only CreateFileA and CreateFileW, and it's aliased based on project setting |
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| 21:48.20 | zenzelezz | setting it to Unicode means that most Windows functions that use strings expect wide characters (in the off chance you hadn't poked around with this before) |
| 21:48.41 | Shirik|Ecole | right but they should also be expecting a wchar_t* instead of a char* |
| 21:48.52 | Shirik|Ecole | which means it shouldn't compile |
| 21:49.01 | zenzelezz | they expect a TSTR usually |
| 21:49.11 | zenzelezz | which is either a char* or wchar_t* depending on setting |
| 21:49.54 | Shirik|Ecole | hm |
| 21:50.32 | Shirik|Ecole | um |
| 21:50.33 | Shirik|Ecole | I take it back |
| 21:50.35 | zenzelezz | also, when possible stay to unicode when interacting with Windows |
| 21:50.39 | Shirik|Ecole | I didn't actually fix the problem |
| 21:50.40 | Shirik|Ecole | it lied |
| 21:51.06 | zenzelezz | on NT kernels any ...A function just internally converts the string to a wide character string and calls the ...W function |
| 21:51.10 | Shirik|Ecole | something really strange is going on with my debugger, it skips over the if statement |
| 21:51.15 | Shirik|Ecole | as I'm stepping through instructions |
| 21:51.28 | Shirik|Ecole | but then throws the exception when I'm on something completely unrelated |
| 21:51.35 | Shirik|Ecole | (which is inside the if block) |
| 21:51.46 | zenzelezz | clean and complete rebuild, just in case? |
| 21:52.19 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, I found it |
| 21:52.24 | Shirik|Ecole | it's an even stupider mistake |
| 21:52.38 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm creating two CRobot objects, each of which is trying to open the com ports >.> Instead of only creating one |
| 21:54.41 | zenzelezz | hehe |
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| 22:19.35 | Shirik|Ecole | you see batrick, this is why I love windows |
| 22:19.59 | Shirik|Ecole | it's all like "Warning: Attempt to access memory after deletion" |
| 22:20.07 | Shirik|Ecole | the memory debugging tools are so nice |
| 22:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | l2valgrind |
| 22:20.23 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah but valgrind's a pain :P |
| 22:20.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't have to do anything at all |
| 22:20.33 | Shirik|Ecole | except #include <crtdbg.h> |
| 22:20.34 | Shirik|Ecole | and done |
| 22:20.41 | kd3 | whee, heroic MgT is fun, but not running in to a new bug |
| 22:20.46 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5623172906&sid=1 |
| 22:21.12 | clad|office | by the way in case you haven't seen it |
| 22:21.13 | Shirik|Ecole | that's not a bug |
| 22:21.14 | clad|office | http://mailcatch.com/en/ |
| 22:21.25 | Shirik|Ecole | that's an attempt to eliminate overpowered mages with dragon's breath |
| 22:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 22:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a classy bug |
| 22:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, yay for removing passwords from my SMTP server for relay access |
| 22:24.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Gogo client certs! |
| 22:25.52 | Shirik|Ecole | begins brute forcing ScytheBlade1's private key |
| 22:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotta get a copy of it first ;) |
| 22:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | removes one of the three smart cards from his wallet and passes it to Shirik|Ecole |
| 22:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "Good luck" |
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| 22:28.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll just use my supercomputer |
| 22:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | pats shirik |
| 22:29.07 | Shirik|Ecole | "named bit field cannot have zero width" that's a cool sounding error |
| 22:29.14 | foxlit | wonder what universities think of utilizing their HPC facilities for private key searches |
| 22:29.27 | MentalPower | so you'll use your java-based robot for the task? :P |
| 22:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:29.39 | Shirik|Ecole | I have multiple robots :) |
| 22:29.42 | Shirik|Ecole | This one's C++ |
| 22:29.52 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah! |
| 22:29.55 | Shirik|Ecole | that's a great idea foxlit |
| 22:30.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I can use our beowulf cluster to do it |
| 22:30.22 | Shirik|Ecole | It's been sitting there doing nothing forever |
| 22:30.22 | foxlit | ~dict beowulf cluster |
| 22:30.25 | Shirik|Ecole | what a waste of technology |
| 22:30.34 | Shirik|Ecole | ~wiki beowulf cluster |
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| 22:49.11 | Industrial | Shaman, leveling, I am level 64 and elemental from 58. Should I go enhancement after all because its way faster and easier to level? |
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| 22:58.01 | cladhaire | Cide: ping |
| 22:58.09 | Cide | pomh |
| 22:58.10 | Cide | pong |
| 22:58.19 | cladhaire | someone just commited CT_RaidTracker to wowace |
| 22:58.21 | cladhaire | i've deleted it |
| 22:58.24 | cladhaire | but would like your thoughts :P |
| 22:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 22:58.42 | nevcairiel | (we dont know if its just the same name or a rip-off) |
| 22:58.44 | Cide | I don't maintain it |
| 22:58.51 | Cide | and I haven't for the past year or so |
| 22:58.58 | cladhaire | okay, does _someone_ |
| 22:59.00 | Cide | someone else has been so I don't care |
| 22:59.01 | cladhaire | should they rename it? |
| 22:59.26 | Cide | probably.. at least not "CT_RaidTracker" .. the maintained version is appended stuff to differentiate it from ours |
| 22:59.44 | cladhaire | good |
| 22:59.48 | cladhaire | thats what I thought |
| 22:59.49 | cladhaire | thanks :P |
| 23:00.04 | Cide | anytime, thanks for asking |
| 23:00.32 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 23:02.32 | Beladona | Industrial: at 64, I wouldn't worry about enhancement. It helps more pre-60 |
| 23:02.45 | Beladona | at 64, you can easily group to level |
| 23:03.23 | Industrial | well I still spend a big deal soloing |
| 23:03.34 | Kirov | Anyone know what's up with curse's logins? |
| 23:03.44 | Beladona | are you having problems soloing? |
| 23:03.49 | Industrial | I have a group of one level 70 warrior, his now 67 alt, me, one random good healer and another random |
| 23:04.01 | Industrial | not really with 468 nature spellpower |
| 23:04.12 | Beladona | definitely stick with what you know then |
| 23:04.24 | Industrial | I did enhancement until 58 |
| 23:04.36 | Industrial | wondering what the dps would be at my level, and solo-ability |
| 23:04.38 | Beladona | well not trying to talk you out of it |
| 23:04.48 | Beladona | I just dont think it will make a huge difference |
| 23:05.05 | Industrial | k |
| 23:05.08 | Beladona | in terms of levelling anyway |
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| 23:05.16 | Beladona | if you like melee, then thats a different animal |
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| 23:06.29 | Industrial | I feel very vulnerable when playing elemental (in world pvp), scared almost :p |
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| 23:07.14 | Industrial | not that it really matters but I'd like to fuck some pople up back instead of hoping the enxt time i see them they wont be looking ym way and I cant get some crits off and then run :p |
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| 23:11.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc|Gone: enjoy! |
| 23:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc|Gone: I'll fill up the bug tracker while you're gone ;D |
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| 23:27.24 | foxlit | Hrm, opinion time |
| 23:27.36 | foxlit | Update or not update toc version tags with no other code changes? |
| 23:28.28 | Shirik|Ecole | update |
| 23:28.36 | Shirik|Ecole | assuming you wrote the code |
| 23:28.40 | Shirik|Ecole | and you think it's working |
| 23:30.53 | Kirov | update |
| 23:32.36 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're using the same code under the latest game version with no issues, you may as well update the toc. |
| 23:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | assuming, of course, that you're the author. |
| 23:36.34 | foxlit | Hm, I was thinking the opposite |
| 23:37.54 | Shirik|Ecole | imho, updating the toc is like a certification from you that it works at that patch number |
| 23:38.16 | foxlit | That's what I generally abuse an addon site's "compatible with" flag for |
| 23:38.36 | foxlit | Interpret the toc version as more of a "designed against" |
| 23:38.58 | NightHawkTheSane | well, its all a matter of interpretation, of course |
| 23:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no reason you can't use the toc version to represent a "tested against" game version |
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| 23:40.14 | Kirov | My experience has also been that many users feel "safer" when the toc is updated, even if nothing else has changed. |
| 23:41.00 | Kirov | As NightHawk said, it's been "tested" |
| 23:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | of course, that interpretation has the benefit of superseding even caring about what it was "designed against", and rendering "compatable with" flags pretty moot, which are really only there to pick up the slack for devs |
| 23:41.44 | Kirov | I'm a horrible example though, I didn't update any of my mods from 2.1 till now because, well, they worked. |
| 23:41.49 | Kirov | including toc change |
| 23:42.14 | foxlit | People who don't update addons because they "work" make me qq :( |
| 23:42.52 | Kirov | I also stopped playing for a couple months. |
| 23:42.54 | Kirov | :P |
| 23:42.56 | foxlit | Have a little faith; this isn't wowace, _releases_ should be as stable, if not more stable, than the previous one :( |
| 23:43.05 | foxlit | (general whining not directed at anyone in particular) |
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| 23:50.53 | foxlit | UNIT_HEALTH and COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED aren't synchronized, are they? |
