| 00:00.15 | zenzelezz | why do people keep falling for the "spectral tiger code" scammers? |
| 00:00.17 | AnduinLothar | not all addon pages |
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| 00:00.24 | zenzelezz | been so many threads already on my realm forum, and they still do |
| 00:00.44 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: hoping we're going to be fine with our beefy new servers |
| 00:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I can always fix that for you ;) |
| 00:01.25 | Cairenn | I appreciate the offer ScytheBlade1, but I think we'll pass this time ;) |
| 00:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah. Don't say I didn't offer to throw 10MB/sec at your servers. |
| 00:01.47 | AnduinLothar | kd3: you on the ptr atm? |
| 00:01.51 | nevcairiel | would be nice for a change to see them survive |
| 00:01.53 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:01.58 | kd3 | one sec |
| 00:02.04 | nevcairiel | i think its the first big patch for the new wowace server too |
| 00:02.07 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 00:02.25 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: and if all else fails, we go to our handy dandy "The List" ultra-low bandwidth version ;) |
| 00:02.34 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah |
| 00:02.35 | Cairenn | that has yet to fail us |
| 00:02.40 | nevcairiel | static html = ftw |
| 00:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed! |
| 00:02.48 | Cairenn | be nice if all the sites can stay up though |
| 00:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (Which is why WordPress fails) |
| 00:03.11 | nevcairiel | was always nice to see at least some sort of wowi page to grab addons |
| 00:03.14 | Cairenn | plus hoping that the 2.4 SG page we made will help out too |
| 00:03.17 | nevcairiel | even if its only "The List" :P |
| 00:03.28 | AnduinLothar | SG? |
| 00:03.28 | Nechckn | btw Cairenn whoever thought of that has a big... brain! =) |
| 00:03.33 | nevcairiel | survival guide |
| 00:03.33 | Cairenn | Survival Guide |
| 00:03.35 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 00:03.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:03.42 | Industrial | :o? |
| 00:03.45 | kd3 | AnduinLothar, idling up at razorthorn right now |
| 00:03.50 | AnduinLothar | omw |
| 00:03.52 | nevcairiel | not for hunters Industrial |
| 00:03.52 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 00:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: also known as "sexy" |
| 00:04.02 | Industrial | >_> I play a shammy atm |
| 00:04.16 | schnoggo | someone likes the survival guide? :) |
| 00:05.42 | schnoggo | anyone have a guild on ptr? Still have some chat testing... |
| 00:05.50 | foxlit | Hrm |
| 00:05.51 | Industrial | Ill have to know aht it is first, schnoggo :p |
| 00:06.03 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 00:06.06 | foxlit | Should do a bit of cleverness, and check if addons register for combat log events |
| 00:06.15 | foxlit | If they don't, they probably don't need updating for 2.4 by default? :) |
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| 00:06.28 | Cairenn | top 75 mods across all the major sites and whether they work with 2.4 yet or not |
| 00:06.45 | Industrial | nice |
| 00:06.52 | kd3 | lol @ a map of paris in the wow zonemap style... http://eu.blizzard.com/wwi08/region.xml |
| 00:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you notice you got mentioned on WoW Insider with that page? |
| 00:06.58 | Nechckn | big horde attack on SW @ PTR =) |
| 00:07.13 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: yeah, saw it |
| 00:07.23 | schnoggo | i took over cleanchat a few patches back. just making sure guild messages won't do something unexected |
| 00:07.24 | nevcairiel | yeah kd3 its nice :D |
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| 00:08.21 | nevcairiel | how was the addon list for survival guide created? num favorites/ratings? |
| 00:08.31 | nevcairiel | some very non-crucial addons are on there =P |
| 00:08.34 | schnoggo | you'll hopefully see the Survival Guide mentioned on a few news sites. No accident. (Cairenn and her minions hard at work) |
| 00:08.36 | Cairenn | most downloads |
| 00:08.44 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: non-crucial to you maybe |
| 00:08.57 | nevcairiel | Ogri'Lazy, srsly :P |
| 00:09.06 | Cairenn | one of the top mods on curse |
| 00:09.07 | schnoggo | we top top DLs and favs from all the major sites and made a big table |
| 00:09.09 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 00:09.31 | schnoggo | exposes his involvement... |
| 00:09.39 | kd3 | they really should've done something like that for blizzcon |
| 00:09.48 | nevcairiel | is HitsMode even still maintained? |
| 00:09.52 | kd3 | would've been amusing to see a LA map in a zone map style |
| 00:10.45 | Sixen | Yeah =) |
| 00:11.01 | Cairenn | gah, did the blizz ui forum just crap out on us? |
| 00:11.02 | Nechckn | kd3 that is a cool map.. esp since you can click each poi |
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| 00:11.32 | nevcairiel | the full blizz forum is on maintenance Cairenn |
| 00:11.38 | Cairenn | k, thanks |
| 00:12.14 | nevcairiel | i bet they shut it down to avoid all the 2.4 spam until they get some news out =P |
| 00:12.15 | schnoggo | heh - main page is SLOOOOWWW - like something's up! :) |
| 00:12.33 | foxlit | So I got an Apostle of Argus |
| 00:12.41 | foxlit | And I enchanted it with Icy Chill |
| 00:12.48 | foxlit | And it looks really odd :/ |
| 00:12.53 | Sixen | Forum Maintenance Notification |
| 00:12.58 | Sixen | Forums got maintenance atm |
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| 00:13.04 | kd3 | yar |
| 00:13.05 | nevcairiel | foxlit: ...why? the enchant, not the oddness |
| 00:13.20 | foxlit | Because healing enchants need primals I don't have at the moment |
| 00:13.24 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 00:13.51 | foxlit | And Icy looked awesome on my Argent Avenger on another character |
| 00:14.20 | foxlit | The real answer is that my other staff is Zhar'doom |
| 00:14.23 | nevcairiel | staffs have crazy positions for the big glowing thingy of enchants |
| 00:14.52 | nevcairiel | specially AoA |
| 00:14.58 | nevcairiel | it looks weird enough as it is =P |
| 00:15.15 | foxlit | Oh wow |
| 00:15.21 | foxlit | Healing enchant on it looks bad |
| 00:15.27 | Krung | I'm taking a day off tomorrow, think there is going to be maintenance? |
| 00:15.33 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 00:15.36 | nevcairiel | extended |
| 00:15.47 | Krung | Boo. |
| 00:15.49 | kd3 | tabs open the alert page |
| 00:15.51 | Krung | Always when I have days off |
| 00:15.55 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 00:15.56 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 00:16.05 | nevcairiel | did they change the url? <.< |
| 00:16.19 | kd3 | nah. it's 404 or blank unless they've got something up |
| 00:17.14 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/box/icy.jpg |
| 00:17.19 | Shirik | Where does it say extended maintenance tomorrow? |
| 00:18.10 | Shirik | and forums just die? |
| 00:18.16 | nevcairiel | forums on maintenance |
| 00:18.24 | Krung | Looks like it's an extended session of R6V2 tomorrow |
| 00:18.32 | foxlit | Although I'm not as sorry about that as this guy: http://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&3.30908#64067 |
| 00:19.00 | nevcairiel | they changed the vertex of the healing enchant on the staff |
| 00:19.01 | zenzelezz | poor guy |
| 00:19.04 | Nechckn | when the 2 EUs went down the forums likely got jammed by folks with their 2.4 "Naio!!" posts =) |
| 00:19.07 | nevcairiel | it doesnt look like shit anymore |
| 00:19.23 | zenzelezz | Nechckn: US forums down, EU forums up |
| 00:19.34 | Nechckn | hmm.. whackey |
| 00:19.38 | foxlit | nev: On live? |
| 00:19.48 | nevcairiel | i think so |
| 00:20.06 | nevcairiel | doesnt look like that on the two druids that have the staff in my guild |
| 00:20.08 | foxlit | because more or less every wowhead screenshot shows it being centered at the base of the lower half |
| 00:20.11 | nevcairiel | is a mace guy |
| 00:23.02 | Sixen | Forums back up |
| 00:23.29 | Cairenn | danke sixen |
| 00:34.00 | art3mis | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:34.05 | Guillotine | Anybody developing a cool revolutionary addon and want to do an interview for the Curse newsletter ("The Curse Word")? |
| 00:34.07 | art3mis | shuold have VPS up soonish |
| 00:34.15 | art3mis | ohoh pick me! |
| 00:34.22 | art3mis | im a revolutionary! |
| 00:34.28 | Guillotine | viva la revolution! |
| 00:34.31 | kd3 | cringes |
| 00:34.40 | art3mis | turns on his TV to check if it's televised. |
| 00:34.56 | Xinhuan | what is a "cool revolutionary addon" |
| 00:35.45 | art3mis | im making a bot that will quest for me from level 1-70 while im doing other things, is that cool and revolutionary? |
| 00:35.56 | art3mis | snickers. |
| 00:36.26 | Krung | art3mis: MMOGlider? |
| 00:36.35 | art3mis | no most definately not glider |
| 00:36.41 | art3mis | that worthless piece of crap ;P |
| 00:36.51 | art3mis | i could hire a 5 year old to play better ;P |
| 00:36.56 | Xinhuan | what about an addon that calculates the shortest circular route to visit every single herb/ore node in the current zone ;p |
| 00:37.04 | art3mis | laugh |
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| 00:37.08 | MentalPower | thats nice actually |
| 00:37.14 | Krung | I've tried to use it once, but I didn't want to switch my keyboard mappings |
| 00:37.14 | MentalPower | Guillotine: I vote for Xinhuan :) |
| 00:37.28 | art3mis | as long as the zone is 250 yards yer golden xin ;P |
| 00:37.39 | Krung | Aren't nodes randomized? I've downloaded notes for Cart and half of the nodes are never there. |
| 00:37.42 | Xinhuan | apparantly my addon's been featured on some german mmo mag |
| 00:38.05 | Xinhuan | nah the nodes have fixed spawn locations |
| 00:38.16 | Xinhuan | they are either there, or not there |
| 00:38.24 | art3mis | they aer fixed, but whether they spawn is random |
| 00:38.41 | art3mis | as near as i can tell there's a set limit on the mount of available nodes |
| 00:38.54 | art3mis | and the spawn locations exceed the fixed node count |
| 00:38.59 | Krung | hm |
| 00:39.01 | Xinhuan | they are seem grouped, say 6 spawnpoints are tied to "a group" and only 1 point in these 6 will ever have a spawn at any one time |
| 00:39.10 | art3mis | so........ for each one yuo mine another loads somewhere during it's tiemr check |
| 00:39.11 | Xinhuan | or none |
| 00:39.23 | art3mis | timer |
| 00:39.27 | Xinhuan | but there's no real proof or studies of these theories |
| 00:39.37 | art3mis | sora like tring theory |
| 00:39.47 | art3mis | that doesnt stop phds from wasting countless hours on it ;P |
| 00:39.48 | Xinhuan | some people claim that if there are more people farming nodes, they respawn faster, but each node yields less hits (say mining) |
| 00:39.55 | art3mis | sorta like string theory rather |
| 00:40.04 | Xinhuan | and some people claim that if there are less people farming nodes, they respawn a lot slower, but each node gives more hits |
| 00:40.08 | art3mis | yeah that part is crap |
| 00:40.22 | art3mis | the hits are randomly determined on spawn |
| 00:40.26 | art3mis | much like chest contents |
| 00:40.49 | art3mis | however... you can skill up faster if yopu alternate miners |
| 00:41.05 | art3mis | ie miner one taps it then miner2 then miner 1 then miner2 |
| 00:41.28 | art3mis | and if its one of those nodes in your orange or red range... you'll skillup each hit |
| 00:41.33 | art3mis | instwead of once per node |
| 00:42.37 | Krung | nerds :) |
| 00:42.44 | Nechckn | more than one skillup per node.. for the same person? |
| 00:42.59 | Nechckn | will have to check that out art3mis |
| 00:43.05 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 00:43.09 | Xinhuan | same thing for herbs |
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| 00:43.28 | Xinhuan | herber #1 picks the plant, gets skillup, when the loot box opens, he doesn't loot the herb in it |
| 00:43.38 | Xinhuan | herber #2, then picks the same plant, gets skill up, etc |
| 00:43.49 | nevcairiel | so you can get one herb thats just orange for you, and with two people exploit that eh? |
| 00:43.56 | Xinhuan | nah |
| 00:44.04 | Xinhuan | the same plant has a memory of which ppl have herbed it before |
| 00:44.05 | Guillotine | sorry, bathroom >.> |
| 00:44.19 | Xinhuan | it maintains a list or something |
| 00:44.29 | Guillotine | But yah, if you want to do an interview about Cart_Routes (one of the best addons imo) Xinhuan, we'd love to have you :) |
| 00:44.37 | Xinhuan | btw, cart_routes is old |
| 00:44.41 | Xinhuan | i released Routes 2 months ago |
| 00:44.43 | Nechckn | oh wait... but herber #1 only gets 1 skill up per node.. right? |
| 00:44.49 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 00:44.51 | Guillotine | oh. I still use cart_routes :P |
| 00:45.00 | nevcairiel | its plain Routes these days |
| 00:45.03 | Xinhuan | Routes uses ace3, and routes can read data from any of gathermate/cart/gatherer |
| 00:45.06 | nevcairiel | works without cart now :P |
| 00:45.08 | Xinhuan | all or 3 at the same time |
| 00:45.25 | Xinhuan | routes also has clustering stuff, collapse multiple nodes into 1 travel point |
| 00:45.36 | Guillotine | err, I can confirm that there are 'groups' of nodes in which a limited amount will spawn |
| 00:45.42 | Nechckn | oh ok... I knew about allowing multiple folks to hit/get skill points. thought you meant you could alternate back and forth and possibly get more than 1 pt per node per person that way. =) Gracias |
| 00:45.42 | Xinhuan | and even code to defining regions to ignore |
| 00:45.53 | Nechckn | btw... the routes thing is pretty darn cool |
| 00:46.01 | Guillotine | it is |
| 00:46.10 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacifici.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg |
| 00:46.11 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacifici.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg |
| 00:46.15 | Xinhuan | pacific |
| 00:46.20 | Xinhuan | fix typo |
| 00:46.27 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg |
| 00:46.30 | Guillotine | Really, any cool addon is great for the interview :) I just mean not something like 'oh, I'm making a new vendor price addon!' |
| 00:46.32 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg |
| 00:46.38 | Xinhuan | check the difference |
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| 00:46.55 | kd3 | huh... the full 2.x.x->2.4.0 patch got posted on gamespot |
| 00:47.06 | Guillotine | strange... |
| 00:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Not surprised |
| 00:47.16 | kd3 | 946MB... eesh |
| 00:47.18 | Xinhuan | one ruote has like 654 nodes, the other has 196 nodes |
| 00:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Link? |
| 00:47.51 | Nechckn | hey hey.. there is nothing wrong with pricing addons! |
| 00:48.09 | Nechckn | j/k.. I know what u mean and I'd second the Xinhuan nomination |
| 00:48.13 | Krung | Does that addon mesh with Cart, similar to what QuestHelper does? |
| 00:48.18 | Xinhuan | Guillotine: also check this - http://grum.nl/WoWScrnShot_020908_125251.jpg |
| 00:48.34 | Xinhuan | defining regions to ignore, and routes won't fly thru them |
| 00:48.49 | Guillotine | Yah, I know about that :D |
| 00:49.02 | Guillotine | You want to do the interview? |
| 00:49.14 | Xinhuan | maybe, not now though, i gotta go off in about 10 min |
| 00:49.21 | Guillotine | haha, ok :) |
| 00:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: linke? |
| 00:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | *link |
| 00:49.40 | kd3 | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraft/download_6188262.html |
| 00:50.03 | nevcairiel | final patch or the 2 pre load parts? :P |
| 00:50.10 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 00:50.12 | kd3 | that's the whole 2.x.x->2.4 patch |
| 00:50.12 | nevcairiel | looks final |
| 00:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It require payment or just membership? |
| 00:50.17 | kd3 | not the 2.3.3->2.4 |
| 00:50.27 | nevcairiel | yeah saw it now |
| 00:50.30 | nevcairiel | pretty big |
| 00:50.31 | kd3 | just membership |
| 00:51.07 | Nechckn | I don't see why Blizz does not background d/l each "PTR" as they are released so then the servers wouldn't get the big hit on "Live Day" |
| 00:51.08 | foxlit | So was Kil'Jaeden only tested internally? |
| 00:51.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Downloading! |
| 00:51.20 | kd3 | yah |
| 00:51.21 | MentalPower | Nechckn: they do |
| 00:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's an epic 150kB/sec |
| 00:51.26 | kd3 | even then, he's behind 3 gates... |
| 00:51.27 | Krung | My UI is going to break again :( |
| 00:51.29 | Nechckn | nah.. really? |
| 00:51.33 | kd3 | so, 3-6 weeks out |
| 00:51.54 | Nechckn | MentalPower I've never seen that.. I guess I'll have to wake up some time |
| 00:51.54 | foxlit | Nechckn: because the PTR patches may not be going to make it |
| 00:52.04 | zenzelezz | thought the gates were on a fixed timer? |
| 00:52.07 | MentalPower | Nechckn: background downloader? |
| 00:52.10 | kd3 | they are... 3-6 weeks |
| 00:52.13 | foxlit | z: true |
| 00:52.17 | kd3 | dunno if anyone's said what that timer is |
| 00:52.21 | nevcairiel | did blizzy ever say how long they would take to open the gates? |
| 00:52.28 | foxlit | No |
| 00:52.33 | kd3 | s/3-6 weeks// |
| 00:52.35 | foxlit | (t that I've heard of) |
| 00:53.08 | foxlit | So I've taken to storing 1:1 dumps of our boss fights |
| 00:53.14 | foxlit | 1gb / 30 seconds |
| 00:53.23 | kd3 | geez |
| 00:53.36 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 00:53.36 | MentalPower | 1:1? |
| 00:53.48 | Xinhuan | he means uncompressed full sized vids |
| 00:53.52 | Xinhuan | not like half-sized |
| 00:53.56 | MentalPower | eww |
| 00:54.02 | foxlit | No resizing during encoding |
| 00:54.04 | Krung | And then put them on youtube. Which makes the whole thing pointless |
| 00:54.18 | MentalPower | you know there are some nice real-time lossless compression schemes |
| 00:54.19 | foxlit | There's still that filthy fraps codec |
| 00:54.22 | Tuller | youtube stores things internally at a high bitrate :P |
| 00:54.25 | MentalPower | or even near-lossless (MJPEG) |
| 00:54.33 | Tuller | so clearly, you're futureproofing it! :) |
| 00:54.47 | Nechckn | foxlit good point re: patches |
| 00:54.50 | foxlit | Maybe I want to edit them to pieces |
| 00:55.04 | foxlit | But the problem is, keeping 1gb chunks of 30 seconds around is impractical |
| 00:55.12 | Krung | misses Stage6 |
| 00:55.12 | foxlit | (mac capture > pc capture, btw, by a long shot) |
| 00:55.32 | foxlit | So I'm trying to x264 them at the moment, and the color quality just dies |
| 00:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Only TWO HOURS until I have the 2.4 patch! |
| 00:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | On the bright side, that's on my server, so hey |
| 00:55.47 | Xinhuan | a bit impatient aren't you ScytheBlade1 |
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| 00:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I blame Gamespot's servers |
| 00:57.12 | Xinhuan | wait why is that patch 900 mb? |
| 00:57.18 | nevcairiel | its the full 2.4 |
| 00:57.20 | nevcairiel | from 2.x.x |
| 00:57.26 | kd3 | it's the full 2.anything->2.4.0 patch, not the 2.3.3 upgrade |
| 00:57.42 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5454839684&postId=55369353979&sid=1#176 |
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| 00:58.30 | foxlit | EU patches are fine as well |
| 00:58.38 | foxlit | s/ine/un/ |
| 00:58.44 | foxlit | They actually patch all ELP installations as well |
| 00:58.50 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 00:58.57 | nevcairiel | always 10% more in size |
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| 01:00.49 | Wulfos | hey there |
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| 01:02.27 | Shirik | hi |
| 01:02.41 | kd3 | forums just go splat for anyone else? |
| 01:02.46 | Shirik | yup |
| 01:02.52 | Sixen | Yeah :/ |
| 01:03.13 | kd3 | huh... we go from maint to the webserver not responding |
| 01:03.22 | kd3 | wonders if something melted in the server room |
| 01:03.27 | Shirik | have I mentioned lately how much I <3 C++? |
| 01:03.37 | Shirik | batrick, I will get you converted yet |
| 01:03.39 | nevcairiel | yeah and you fail at basic C like printf |
| 01:03.41 | nevcairiel | *shrug :P |
| 01:03.49 | Shirik | meh, I've never had a use for %p |
| 01:03.52 | Shirik | I had a solution |
| 01:04.06 | Shirik | printf("0x%08x", reinterpret_cast<unsigned long>(pointer)); |
| 01:04.20 | Shirik | but it wouldn't work for 64 bit systems |
| 01:04.28 | nevcairiel | yeah <.< |
| 01:04.28 | nevcairiel | thats wrong in so many ways |
| 01:04.37 | Shirik | what else is wrong?! |
| 01:04.47 | nevcairiel | the pure use of reinterpret cast |
| 01:04.48 | zenzelezz | just cout it |
| 01:04.52 | Shirik | it's C++ :P |
| 01:05.06 | Krung | We all know C# is the best. |
| 01:05.17 | kd3 | har, and they throw up the maint message again |
| 01:05.20 | kd3 | laughs |
| 01:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:05.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to wonder if they're covering something up |
| 01:05.40 | nevcairiel | like, a patch |
| 01:05.45 | Shirik | oh noes, someone released the patch! Shut down the forums to minimize publicity! |
| 01:06.04 | nevcairiel | forums work again |
| 01:06.13 | Krung | ScytheBlade1: i wonder how long before they pull the file |
| 01:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Krung: not long enough, I'm downloading it as we speak. Once it's done, it'll be on my public HTTP server. |
| 01:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | *not soon enough |
| 01:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Or whatever :) |
| 01:06.49 | Krung | if you can get the entire thing before blizzard drops the cease & desist |
| 01:07.07 | nevcairiel | not that the full patch helps anyone if they delay the patch by a week |
| 01:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Trick is, my server is in atlanta, I'm in utah |
| 01:07.09 | nevcairiel | you just get screwed if you installed it =P |
| 01:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | There's some real-life lag involved with that |
| 01:07.23 | ScytheBlade1 | California --> Atlanta --> Utah |
| 01:07.27 | kd3 | atlanta? who are you using for hosting? |
| 01:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Good times for a C&D |
| 01:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Linode |
| 01:08.19 | Krung | when i ran my own gaming blog i got some juicy insider info and i got one dropped on me within 2 hours of posting lol |
| 01:08.19 | kd3 | and the forums are back... no purge in CS/PTR forum talking about the gamespot patch |
| 01:08.41 | nevcairiel | some blue even commented in one of the threads |
| 01:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 01:09.31 | Sixen | Yup, they're up |
| 01:09.31 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5464368078&sid=1 <-- bump please |
| 01:10.29 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, my raid mate Katyl thanks you for helping with the awesomesauce macros. |
| 01:10.53 | kd3 | hm? no prob |
| 01:11.03 | kd3 | wonders what macro assistance threads he's posted in lately? |
| 01:11.32 | Xinhuan | alright, i'm afk now, be back in a few hours :) |
| 01:11.59 | Lopeppeppy | Shammie wanting to be perfect. |
| 01:13.11 | kd3 | kicks the forums webserver again |
| 01:14.02 | Shirik | I should have my server download from ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:14.16 | MentalPower | mine too :) |
| 01:14.21 | kd3 | and maint again... whee |
| 01:14.24 | kd3 | looks for a beer |
| 01:14.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 95 minutes on the download! |
| 01:15.20 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: ping me when its done so I can mirror |
| 01:15.23 | Guillotine | well, now that servers are down I'm going to have some fun looking in the table files. There is so much cool stuff in there :P |
| 01:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: yeah sure |
| 01:15.55 | MentalPower | Guillotine: what servers? |
| 01:15.57 | MentalPower | PTR? |
| 01:16.03 | Guillotine | MP: forums |
| 01:16.07 | MentalPower | oh |
| 01:16.09 | MentalPower | k |
| 01:16.22 | kd3 | ptr's still up. I'm standing next to AL right now |
| 01:16.40 | Guillotine | Hehe, you can actually change what items it looks like chars start with on the loading screen. Its really too bad you get in trouble for editing this stuff :( |
| 01:18.04 | Guillotine | Browsing through ChatProfanity is fun. About ten thousand bad words in multiple languages |
| 01:19.09 | kd3 | meh, kinda like the wiki list... http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/badwords |
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| 01:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: wait, is your linode in the atlanta datacenter? |
| 01:21.59 | Shirik | dallas I believe |
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| 01:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo. Never mind. |
| 01:22.43 | Shirik | what's an easy way to tell without logging into linode.com |
| 01:22.54 | ScytheBlade1 | A traceroute? |
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| 01:23.01 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ tracert guardianhq.com |
| 01:23.01 | Shirik | -bash: tracert: command not found |
| 01:23.01 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ traceroute guardianhq.com |
| 01:23.01 | Shirik | -bash: traceroute: command not found |
| 01:23.02 | Shirik | :< |
| 01:23.04 | Shirik | goes to emerge |
| 01:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Er |
| 01:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:24.07 | MentalPower | Shirik: dallas |
| 01:24.09 | zenzelezz | "host"? |
| 01:24.27 | Shirik | yeah it's definitely dallas |
| 01:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo. If you were in the same datacenter, we could use their private networking bit if you really wanted to copy it ;) |
| 01:25.45 | kd3 | waits for the first hit on [[Patch mirrors]]... |
| 01:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 80 minutes |
| 01:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Gamespot sucks |
| 01:28.14 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: why are you going CA -> GA -> UT ? |
| 01:28.40 | Sixen | You got it, KD3. |
| 01:28.41 | Sixen | :) |
| 01:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: Blizzard is in CA, server is in GA, I'm in UT |
| 01:29.30 | MentalPower | oh, fair nuf |
| 01:29.59 | Guillotine | You guys think I could get away with editing some dbc files on the PTR? I found some REALLY cool stuff o.O Did you guys know the motion of all projectiles is controlled via Lua? |
| 01:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait what? |
| 01:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 01:30.17 | Guillotine | You could easily write your own functions to make fireballs do loopdy-loops on the way to the target |
| 01:30.29 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 01:30.52 | Guillotine | SpellMissileMotion.dbc if anyone wants to take a look |
| 01:32.23 | foxlit | Hey, cute! |
| 01:33.01 | foxlit | It'd be odd if the client actually allowed you to override the mpq |
| 01:33.10 | MentalPower | it used to |
| 01:33.15 | foxlit | at least without cryptographic signing |
| 01:33.20 | MentalPower | now you have to repack the MPQ |
| 01:33.26 | Guillotine | But you can still do it easily |
| 01:33.33 | MentalPower | theres no crypto signing on the MPQs |
| 01:33.36 | Guillotine | you used to just be able to place the file in your Data folder |
| 01:33.43 | MentalPower | they're too big for that to be practical |
| 01:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | 70 minutes! |
| 01:34.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Changing one file in the MPQ doesn't require "repacking" them |
| 01:34.13 | foxlit | http://zohar.devklog.net:47805/projects/mpqkit/wiki/MoPaQ_Format |
| 01:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The only verification on the MPQs are - listed right there |
| 01:34.25 | foxlit | "2.10 Strong Digital Signature - Generics ¶" |
| 01:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | © 2006-2007 Justin Olbrantz (Quantam) and Jean-Francois Roy (BahamutZERO)." |
| 01:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got both of those guys on my MSN contact list :P |
| 01:35.23 | Guillotine | foxlit: well, you can certainly replace mpqs |
| 01:35.24 | Guillotine | easily |
| 01:35.44 | foxlit | I really, really don't see why they let you do that |
| 01:36.00 | foxlit | If only to detect that using Warden and nuke your account |
| 01:36.08 | art3mis | wheeeeeee |
| 01:36.12 | art3mis | new domain is active! |
| 01:36.19 | art3mis | chronocide.net heh |
| 01:36.30 | art3mis | now to wait for dns propagation |
| 01:36.46 | foxlit | "Equilibria Enterprise Group LLC was formed for one reason: To provide small to medium sized businesses an alternative to the high costs of maintaining and hiring a resident IT staff."? |
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| 01:37.25 | foxlit | Sounds untrustworthy; what with saving their two-color text logos in jpeg |
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| 01:39.09 | MentalPower | art3mis: DNS propagation doesn't take that long anymore |
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| 01:42.31 | enum | yo, getting inconsistent results when trying to print to ChatFrame1... ChatFrame1:AddMessage(srcName .. " casts " .. spellName .. " on " .. dstName); works.... ChatFrame1:AddMessage(srcName .. " starts casting " .. spellName); doesn't... all the variables will work if I don't try and concatenate, but it just doesn't make sense to me. |
| 01:42.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | MentalPower: especially if they use opendns |
| 01:43.25 | MentalPower | enum: do you use error catchers? |
| 01:43.34 | MentalPower | !Swatter, IEF, BugSack? |
| 01:43.42 | enum | MentalPower: haven't been able to find one, would love to though if you know of one |
| 01:43.42 | MentalPower | if so, check them |
| 01:43.45 | MentalPower | if not do |
| 01:44.12 | MentalPower | enum: http://zip.norganna.org/libs/!Swatter/!Swatter-latest.zip |
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| 01:44.36 | ScytheBlade1 | NOOOO |
| 01:44.38 | ScytheBlade1 | THE DOWNLOAD STALLED |
| 01:44.39 | Atriace | How do you test for nan? |
| 01:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ASDF |
| 01:44.48 | MentalPower | Atriace: == 0/0 |
| 01:44.54 | Atriace | danka |
| 01:44.57 | MentalPower | lua> 0/0 |
| 01:44.57 | lua_bot | MentalPower: nan |
| 01:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 01:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | They nuked the file |
| 01:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraft/download_6188262.html |
| 01:45.17 | MentalPower | what? |
| 01:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | FAIL |
| 01:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail gamespot |
| 01:45.21 | purl | gamespot, you Fail! |
| 01:46.09 | kd3 | lol. that was quicker than expected |
| 01:46.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously. I had an hour left too :( |
| 01:46.49 | Guillotine | Dammit, I need to find out whether or not I'll actually be actioned for changing purely visual things in the mpq on the test server |
| 01:46.55 | Guillotine | because if not |
| 01:46.56 | Cide | they nuked what file? |
| 01:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 01:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And killed all connections to it |
| 01:47.13 | Cide | what file? |
| 01:47.15 | ScytheBlade1 | My download stalled, and died |
| 01:47.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.4 patch |
| 01:47.20 | kd3 | cide; the 2.x.x->2.4.0 patch |
| 01:47.23 | Cide | meh |
| 01:47.28 | Cide | they screwed up so :P |
| 01:47.31 | kd3 | whee, [SERVER] Restart in 15:00 on the PTR |
| 01:47.57 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539953968&sid=1 |
| 01:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | wonders if bnftp works on WoW |
| 01:48.01 | foxlit | Why do they even bother telling people? |
| 01:48.10 | foxlit | It's the PTR; it can go down with no notice! |
| 01:48.42 | Guillotine | Noo, didn't get to have our end-of-PTR party :( |
| 01:50.04 | art3mis | MentalPower: nope, it's pointed at my box right now |
| 01:50.13 | art3mis | it's a great domain name me thinks ;P |
| 01:50.24 | art3mis | very little describes the internet better than chronocide |
| 01:50.36 | MentalPower | right... |
| 01:51.03 | art3mis | the killing of time ;P |
| 01:51.24 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539953972&sid=1 |
| 01:51.26 | Sixen | Patch tomorrow |
| 01:51.34 | Sixen | Aw, KD3 beat me to it. |
| 01:51.35 | Sixen | :( |
| 01:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | He did |
| 01:51.50 | foxlit | But that's not equivalent! |
| 01:51.59 | foxlit | He's saying PTR is done for 2.4 :) |
| 01:52.00 | Sixen | Rub it in why don't you, Sbo, :(. |
| 01:52.05 | Sixen | Yeah, true. |
| 01:52.14 | Sixen | I thought 2.4.2 is coming right up |
| 01:52.59 | Sixen | 18:52:49 [SERVER] Restart in 11:00 |
| 01:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to log in and spam trade |
| 01:54.58 | kd3 | lol |
| 01:55.22 | Sixen | Rofl. |
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| 01:55.53 | Cairenn | evening Iriel |
| 01:56.03 | Iriel | heya |
| 01:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | [2. Trade] [Sboo]: IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD |
| 01:56.25 | ScytheBlade1 | [2. Trade] [Sboo]: AND WE KNOW IT |
| 01:56.28 | enum | ok, so spellName coming back nil... I don't see why it would come back nil... according to http://www.wowwiki.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_Details one of the args is spellName... /me bangs his head on the desk repeatedly |
| 01:58.15 | enum | can someone tell me if they notice something obviously wrong here. http://wowi.pastey.net/84338 |
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| 01:59.53 | Guillotine | Its really amazing how much is stored client-side |
| 02:00.01 | Guillotine | though I'm sure the majority is actually processed server side |
| 02:01.31 | Iriel | enum try installing DevTools and firing up /dtevents |
| 02:01.39 | Iriel | enum and see if it has the flags in the order you think they should be in |
| 02:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You got the last word, kd3 |
| 02:02.23 | kd3 | lmao. last word in /2 |
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| 02:02.48 | Guillotine | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 02:02.48 | Guillotine | One of the mail templates (template 105): "This mail was sent to you because you signed up for Viagra! More text." |
| 02:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: heh, I got it chat logged, too |
| 02:05.02 | Sixen | :( |
| 02:05.25 | Guillotine | Interesting. Aside from the lottery Lua functions, theres a template for winning the lottery |
| 02:05.35 | Guillotine | err, a mail template |
| 02:07.18 | Sixen | brb |
| 02:07.42 | Yssaril | what are those lottery functions used for anyways? |
| 02:08.40 | foxlit | Nothing, really |
| 02:08.42 | foxlit | Not yet |
| 02:09.09 | foxlit | Hah, cute |
| 02:09.23 | foxlit | This tree-building exercise creates a tree of the entire script of Romeo and Juliet |
| 02:12.23 | Guillotine | Interesting. It appears that at some point they were looking at giving rest for refer-a-friend |
| 02:12.32 | Guillotine | Theres a type of rest called 'Refer-a-friend' |
| 02:12.45 | Guillotine | gives the same bonus as normal rest |
| 02:13.03 | MentalPower | it does |
| 02:13.11 | MentalPower | for the person who got friended |
| 02:13.18 | Guillotine | Wait, refer-a-friend gives rest? |
| 02:13.19 | Guillotine | o rly? |
| 02:13.20 | MentalPower | tho most of the time its unused |
| 02:13.24 | Guillotine | I didn't know that o.O |
| 02:13.57 | MentalPower | since you already have max rest |
| 02:15.09 | Atriace | what the.... target units don't have a UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP event? |
| 02:15.27 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539953968&sid=1 |
| 02:15.41 | MentalPower | Cairenn honey, you're late :) |
| 02:15.54 | MentalPower | [21:47:53]<kd3>http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539953968&sid=1 |
| 02:15.56 | Cairenn | doesn't surprise me |
| 02:16.08 | MentalPower | 22:15 here now |
| 02:16.23 | Cairenn | ditto |
| 02:16.50 | NightHawkTheSane | would like to point out, for the record, that women are all batshit insane. |
| 02:16.56 | NightHawkTheSane | goes to get shitfaced. |
| 02:17.18 | Atriace | How in the world are you going to know if target stopped casting without a UNI_SPELLCAST_STOP event? |
| 02:17.29 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: >< |
| 02:17.35 | MentalPower | Atriace: there is such a thing |
| 02:17.40 | cogwheel | thinks someone is deluding himself |
| 02:17.45 | JoshBorke | an event fires |
| 02:17.59 | MentalPower | concurs with JoshBorke |
| 02:18.13 | Atriace | UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP doesn't fire though. |
| 02:18.21 | Atriace | It does for yourself, but not for your target |
| 02:18.26 | Iriel | Doesn't SUCCESS or FAILURE fire? |
| 02:18.41 | Atriace | No |
| 02:18.43 | Iriel | (or is it FAILED, I try to forget the spell events, too much pain) |
| 02:18.50 | Atriace | There's a chat message. |
| 02:19.12 | Atriace | And an event that says whether x person resisted said spell (or whatever condition, ie, took damage) |
| 02:19.27 | foxlit | [UNIT_SPELLCAST events are a mess in 2.3] |
| 02:19.46 | Atriace | But, after using DevTools to view the events, between spell start, and the spell finishes, there is nothing.... and not even a spell finish of some sort. |
| 02:20.09 | Atriace | lol, sad that I won't be able to test this on the PTR now. |
| 02:20.55 | JoshBorke | Atriace: targetting yourself? |
| 02:22.20 | Atriace | JoshBorke: was I targeting myself? No. Definitely targeting the enemy. |
| 02:22.46 | Atriace | Trying to find the Blizzard castbar lua file now to uncover the secret... |
| 02:23.28 | foxlit | shudders |
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| 02:24.00 | JoshBorke | it just updates in the onupdate |
| 02:24.16 | foxlit | Short primer on UNIT_SPELLCAST: things fire when they shouldn't, _STOP fires whenever the sky is blue, and _CHANNEL is in a world of its own |
| 02:24.27 | Atriace | >_< |
| 02:25.01 | Atriace | Any chance you know if they (definitely) fixed that in 2.4? |
| 02:25.04 | foxlit | Oh, and cast bar frames on nametags live in a time of their own |
| 02:26.18 | foxlit | I don't know; I haven't been able to get on PTRs |
| 02:26.33 | art3mis | http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100607135&N=10000003+90401+502798 |
| 02:26.36 | art3mis | i should buy that |
| 02:26.40 | foxlit | Chances are you'll find out either tomorrow or the day after tomorrow? |
| 02:27.04 | foxlit | Seems to lack a g2g speed? |
| 02:27.31 | JoshBorke | if the cast gets canceled there isn't always an event, i believe is what i experienced |
| 02:28.18 | foxlit | I look at _FAILED, _SUCCEEDED _INTERRUPTED to determine premature termination |
| 02:28.22 | Sixen | PTR's are done, fox. |
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| 02:28.30 | foxlit | Sixen: I'm aware |
| 02:28.35 | foxlit | That generally works well enough for players |
| 02:28.52 | foxlit | _STOP should theoretically fire for everyone, but |
| 02:29.07 | foxlit | My personal experience is that it fires way too often, even when it shouldn't |
| 02:29.20 | foxlit | So I ended up doing -- frame:RegisterEvent("UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP"); |
| 02:29.38 | Atriace | That should be the right event to look for. |
| 02:29.41 | foxlit | and living with not knowing whether melee managed to kick RoS's casts |
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| 02:31.26 | art3mis | it features HDMI, VGA, component, composite and of course, S-Video. The most interesting here, oddly enough, is VGA, which looks sharper and better than it has any right to – Viewsonic has really delivered the quality here. |
| 02:31.30 | art3mis | thats wierd |
| 02:31.40 | art3mis | the 28" it like 800$ and it can double as an hd tv |
| 02:31.55 | art3mis | and come with a dvi->hdmi convertor |
| 02:31.59 | art3mis | comes |
| 02:33.00 | Atriace | Those ViewSonic birds have got to die. They are so mid-90s |
| 02:33.08 | art3mis | hehe yeah |
| 02:33.13 | art3mis | it's retro! |
| 02:33.20 | Atriace | it's not cool! |
| 02:33.53 | Atriace | At least the case looks better than other Viewsonic monitors I've seen. |
| 02:34.12 | Atriace | Nice bang for the buck. |
| 02:34.19 | art3mis | yeah |
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| 02:34.40 | art3mis | now if i can somehow hide the fact i now have a 22WS and a 28WS and my ps2 hooked up to it ;P |
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| 02:42.11 | Sixen | KD3, it's cool to delete the WoWTest folder, correct? |
| 02:42.30 | Sixen | Apparently the patch will be out tomorrowand then any PTR's after that will start anew. |
| 02:42.38 | kd3 | I'm going to hold on to it til tomorrow, but it's a safe bet at this point |
| 02:42.44 | Sixen | Mmm |
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| 02:48.42 | Shirik | who said the patch will be out tomorrow? ;) |
| 02:48.57 | Nechckn | Shirik silly U! |
| 02:49.06 | kd3 | a few birdies... the PTR going offline... the 2.x.x->2.4.0 patch getting leaked |
| 02:49.27 | kd3 | a few GMs in CS marveling at the size of the leak and commenting that the regular 2.3.3->2.4.0 patch is 293MB... |
| 02:49.38 | Shirik | but all you present me is circumstantial evidence |
| 02:49.41 | Shirik | ;) |
| 02:49.50 | kd3 | considering it's blizz, like we get anything else? |
| 02:49.52 | Shirik | I'm not saying I disagree with you, only that there has been no official word |
| 02:50.10 | Nechckn | Shirik do we really need to come to your house? Huh? You don't want that, now do you? |
| 02:50.20 | Shirik | we can has party! |
| 02:50.29 | Nechckn | hehehe |
| 02:51.23 | Nechckn | so... any updates on "the beast" Shirik? |
| 02:51.29 | Shirik | it's mostly together |
| 02:51.33 | Shirik | we have two weeks to finalize the code |
| 02:51.36 | Shirik | actually closer to 1 week |
| 02:51.43 | Nechckn | wow... that's not too bad then |
| 02:52.00 | Nechckn | have you worked out most of the logic and all? |
| 02:54.57 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 02:55.26 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5540063974 |
| 02:55.27 | Sixen | lol |
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| 03:29.42 | kd3 | oh ouch... that was quick... within a few minutes of rushter posting the wowui 2.4 thread... first response "keylogger" |
| 03:30.03 | Cairenn | chokes |
| 03:30.21 | enum | anyone know if they're gonna bring ptr back tonight? |
| 03:30.27 | Cairenn | they aren't |
| 03:30.33 | kd3 | enum; http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539953968&sid=1 |
| 03:30.44 | Nechckn | pronounced dead... poor PTR |
| 03:31.03 | enum | noooooooooooo |
| 03:31.41 | enum | I still have a ton of stuff to do with 2.4 api changes |
| 03:31.55 | enum | oh well, guess imma grab a beer now |
| 03:32.08 | kd3 | I've got a case in the fridge ready to go for tomorrow |
| 03:34.38 | Cide | FYI: * Cairenn spanks MentalPower |
| 03:34.42 | Cide | beware! |
| 03:34.52 | Cairenn | laughs |
| 03:34.52 | MentalPower | :P |
| 03:38.42 | Xinhuan | woo i'm back |
| 03:40.30 | Xinhuan | damn nobody missed me :( |
| 03:40.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i missed you |
| 03:40.44 | NightHawkTheSane | but that could lbe the alchol speaaking |
| 03:40.45 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 03:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | how're you doing, Xinhuan. |
| 03:41.33 | Xinhuan | i feel like sleeping, but its 11.40 am |
| 03:41.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i fail to see the problem here. |
| 03:42.39 | Xinhuan | well a normal human tends to sleep at 11.40 pm, not 11.40 am |
| 03:43.55 | NightHawkTheSane | pffft "normal" |
| 03:44.04 | NightHawkTheSane | do you have anything important to do today or tomorrow? :P |
| 03:44.11 | Xinhuan | no |
| 03:44.14 | kd3 | we're programmers and such in here... I would bet a fair bit of money none of us have a "normal" sleep cycle |
| 03:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | see? no problem! sleep when you like |
| 03:44.33 | Xinhuan | well i have to update my addons to 2.4, if you'll consider that important |
| 03:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft |
| 03:44.40 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck addons! |
| 03:44.55 | Xinhuan | i have to think of all the poor china farmers out there! |
| 03:44.58 | Xinhuan | what if Routes breaks? |
| 03:45.06 | Xinhuan | and they can't feed their families? |
| 03:45.08 | kd3 | snorts |
| 03:45.10 | NightHawkTheSane | then the entire china economy will collapse |
| 03:45.16 | Cairenn | (11:44:19 PM) NightHawkTheSane: fuck addons! |
| 03:45.21 | Cairenn | owwww, paper cuts! |
| 03:45.26 | NightHawkTheSane | and since they invest heavily in the us, the american economy will collapse as well |
| 03:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you'll be personally responsible for destroying the world economy |
| 03:45.44 | Xinhuan | the us economy has already been collapsing ever since they stepped into iraq |
| 03:45.48 | NightHawkTheSane | but, really, is that actually more important than a good nap? |
| 03:46.02 | Cairenn | either that, or electrocution |
| 03:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: well, you know, relatively speaking of course. i mean, compared to a good nap and all. :) |
| 03:46.31 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:46.42 | Cairenn | night Tem|Sleep |
| 03:46.47 | NightHawkTheSane | see, Tem|Sleep knows whats up. |
| 03:46.47 | Tem|Sleep | night Cairenn |
| 03:46.57 | Tem|Sleep | NightHawkTheSane, what? |
| 03:47.10 | Tem|Sleep | it's past my bed time |
| 03:47.11 | NightHawkTheSane | lol, nothing, go sleep. :P |
| 03:47.12 | enum | sleep is for the weak... and unemployed |
| 03:47.27 | Tem|Sleep | I've been sleeping like a normal person lately |
| 03:47.29 | Tem|Sleep | it's fucking weird |
| 03:47.35 | kd3 | heathen! burn for your sins! |
| 03:47.41 | Tem|Sleep | going to bed at 11pm is totaly awkward |
| 03:47.46 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:47.54 | Tem|Sleep | well, later guys |
| 03:48.17 | MentalPower | later Tem|Sleep, sweet dreams |
| 03:51.04 | Shirik | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 03:51.28 | Cairenn | and it's official |
| 03:51.41 | Cairenn | thanks Shirik |
| 03:51.42 | dylanm | Well. |
| 03:51.52 | Shirik | well, not entirely |
| 03:51.54 | Cairenn | yeah, actually, hadn't read it yet |
| 03:51.57 | Shirik | they didn't say anything about 2.4 |
| 03:52.02 | Shirik | but they did say extended maintenance |
| 03:52.08 | dylanm | Extended maintenance is pretty much a reality for the rest of our lives. |
| 03:52.41 | dylanm | It's always fun to see if they make 2pm est. |
| 03:54.11 | Atriace | how does one define: var= - |
| 03:54.45 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:54.52 | Atriace | var is euqal to minus |
| 03:54.59 | Shirik | how can it be "minus" |
| 03:55.05 | Shirik | that's not a value |
| 03:55.13 | Atriace | Aye, it's a symbol. |
| 03:55.24 | Shirik | you can make it the character - |
| 03:55.27 | Shirik | var = "-" |
| 03:55.34 | Atriace | it becomes a string then |
| 03:55.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:55.41 | Atriace | I need it to do the operation of - |
| 03:55.47 | Shirik | yeah, you can't do that |
| 03:55.51 | Atriace | ah |
| 03:55.53 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean subtraction? yeah, |
| 03:55.57 | Shirik | you can use loadstring or you can do what is probably more accurate, multiply by -1 or 1 |
| 03:56.12 | Shirik | to do a "var" b, it would be a + (b * x) where x is 1 or -1 |
| 03:56.40 | kd3 | huzzah. the alert's up |
| 03:56.44 | kd3 | 8 hour maint scheduled |
| 03:56.49 | kd3 | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 03:56.50 | Atriace | I'd actually been useing -1, but I thought it should be more succinct if I could just say var = - |
| 03:57.43 | Shirik | months behind, kd3 :P |
| 03:57.57 | kd3 | bah |
| 03:58.13 | Shirik | <3 |
| 03:58.24 | Shirik | it's ok though, I cheated |
| 03:58.28 | Shirik | I wrote a little script to watch that page |
| 03:58.35 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:59.07 | Iriel | Atriace: How about var b = function(x) return -x end |
| 03:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i was going to make a little thing to display it on my desktop with geektool, but geektool doesn't seem to want to work in leopard |
| 03:59.33 | Iriel | Atriace: That's about as close as you can get to an operation-as-a-value |
| 04:02.13 | Fisker- | so patch NAU? |
| 04:02.29 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: pign |
| 04:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 04:04.20 | Shirik | did you ever get that patch downloaded? |
| 04:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | No, they killed the download |
| 04:04.51 | Shirik | :< |
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| 04:23.25 | End | hmm |
| 04:23.48 | End | I still need to test my addons on ptr, but now I can't |
| 04:23.56 | End | I'm such a bad slacker |
| 04:26.22 | Sixen | added an "Uninstalling the PTR" section to the Getting on the PTR/TTR guide |
| 04:26.46 | Sixen | Hm |
| 04:26.54 | Sixen | Performing maintenance. doesn't mean there's a patch for sure. |
| 04:27.05 | Sixen | I don't remember, will they announce the patch before or after maintenance? |
| 04:27.27 | Cairenn | during |
| 04:27.39 | Sixen | Ah, okay. |
| 04:28.34 | MentalPower | Sixen: just before they bring the auth server back up to start distributing the patch |
| 04:28.41 | MentalPower | (usually) |
| 04:28.51 | Cairenn | aye |
| 04:29.04 | Cairenn | but the servers are still down |
| 04:29.11 | MentalPower | up you mean |
| 04:29.44 | Cairenn | no, the actual servers are usually still down at that point, just you can log in far enough to download the patch |
| 04:29.56 | MentalPower | oh, right |
| 04:30.12 | Sixen | =p |
| 04:30.22 | Cairenn | the auth server is up, but the realm servers are still down |
| 04:30.28 | MentalPower | bingo |
| 04:31.09 | Cairenn | hence "during" ;) |
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| 04:38.23 | Nom- | oooo |
| 04:38.34 | Nom- | PTR's down... it's usually a week after the PTR's go down before patch day tho :( |
| 04:38.43 | Nom- | We can still hope though :) |
| 04:45.51 | Cairenn | it's tomorrow |
| 04:45.56 | Shirik | Nom- is so out of it |
| 04:45.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:46.31 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 04:46.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: thanks for the laugh. :) |
| 04:49.16 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:49.19 | WobWork | cute: http://www.au.lspace.org/art/kidby/mousmat.jpg |
| 04:49.52 | Atriace | Is there a way to determine if your target is resting or in combat (ala http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRestState or similar) |
| 04:53.12 | Atriace | And how do you ask purl to fix a typo? :) |
| 04:53.23 | MentalPower | s/// |
| 04:53.27 | MentalPower | perl notation |
| 04:53.40 | MentalPower | s/perl/purl/ |
| 04:54.16 | Atriace | s/typo/typographical error |
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| 04:54.27 | Atriace | doh |
| 04:54.47 | MentalPower | closing / |
| 04:54.52 | Atriace | s/doh/This is a fix to a typographical error/ |
| 04:54.59 | Atriace | gotchya |
| 04:55.18 | Atriace | So, no method for getting target IsResting()? |
| 04:56.09 | MentalPower | Atriace: as in rested XP? |
| 04:56.13 | Atriace | No |
| 04:56.43 | Atriace | As in, "is my target resting and should I put a rested icon by his portrait" |
| 04:57.12 | Atriace | I suppose there isn't one, given the default UI doesn't use it. |
| 04:57.28 | MentalPower | define resting |
| 04:57.56 | Atriace | resting == is accumulating rested experience |
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| 04:59.31 | MentalPower | Atriace: anyone in an inn, or a major city |
| 04:59.40 | MentalPower | you can't get rested XP anywhere else |
| 05:02.41 | Atriace | ah... brilliant. |
| 05:04.32 | Nom- | I'm out of it ? |
| 05:04.40 | Nom- | Oh it's defiantely going ahead? |
| 05:04.41 | Nom- | woot |
| 05:04.42 | MentalPower | what are you building BTW? |
| 05:05.12 | Nom- | Sorry, being an aussie I sleep through the important part of the day as far as Blizzard is concerned |
| 05:05.16 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 05:05.45 | Atriace | MentalPower: who me? |
| 05:05.51 | MentalPower | yes |
| 05:05.59 | Atriace | SpartanUI v2 |
| 05:06.12 | Cairenn | Nom-: they haven't officially announced it, but yes, it's getting pushed |
| 05:06.33 | Atriace | MentalPower: http://www.spartanui.com |
| 05:06.39 | Fisker- | pushes |
| 05:06.46 | Nom- | wooooooot |
| 05:07.04 | Cairenn | laughs at Fisker- |
| 05:07.33 | Nom- | I look forward to it |
| 05:07.46 | Nom- | Two of my alts are going to live on the sunwell island for gold farming purposes :D |
| 05:11.57 | WobWork | farming is good? =P |
| 05:14.09 | Nom- | Anyone kill any T4 / T5 bosses on the PTR? |
| 05:14.17 | Nom- | Wondering how much they buffed the gold drops |
| 05:14.24 | Nom- | I've got two alts that need epic flying mounts :) |
| 05:16.48 | kergoth | what's an appropriate tip for a gem cut, a meta specifically? |
| 05:19.01 | Cide | like 10g maybe? |
| 05:19.12 | Cide | don't think I'd tip more than that |
| 05:21.06 | Sixen | What's the PTR "status" link? |
| 05:21.22 | Sixen | Like US is http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert and EU is http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert |
| 05:22.33 | MentalPower | they be the same |
| 05:22.45 | Sixen | Mmmm, I just noticed that. |
| 05:22.45 | Sixen | PTR uses US one |
| 05:25.00 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, when you ignore someone, does it hide the online/offline alerts if theyre in your guild? |
| 05:25.24 | Sixen | Not sure :/ |
| 05:26.59 | Cide | I don't think so but not positive |
| 05:27.36 | Cide | as in, they still show, I think |
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| 05:28.48 | NightHawkTheSane | they do, it seems. |
| 05:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 05:28.58 | NightHawkTheSane | you could probably hide that with a mod, yeah? |
| 05:29.06 | Cide | of course |
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| 05:36.36 | art3mis | movies is the BEST role model ever |
| 05:36.46 | art3mis | err the coach on home movies |
| 05:37.00 | art3mis | stupid kvm and it's delay on usb devices ;) |
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| 05:37.25 | art3mis | WOW it's Gwenstefani! |
| 05:37.33 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:44.19 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539774079&sid=1#1 <-- win |
| 05:44.56 | Cide | no |
| 05:44.57 | Cide | that's lose |
| 05:45.19 | Guillotine | oh, c'mon, you have to admit it made you chuckle :P |
| 05:45.35 | Cide | not really, it's stupid |
| 05:46.19 | Guillotine | *shrug* I found it amusing |
| 05:47.52 | Cide | you're definitely allowed to :) |
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| 05:56.51 | art3mis | are you saying that because he's shortbus? |
| 05:57.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 05:58.25 | art3mis | 21 actually doesnt lok bad |
| 05:58.28 | art3mis | look |
| 05:58.32 | art3mis | and this MIT kids rule |
| 05:58.39 | art3mis | those |
| 05:58.49 | art3mis | oh and kevin spacey is awesome |
| 06:00.06 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
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| 06:00.23 | NightHawkTheSane | some guildies are doing wsg, and there's this mage.. in greens.. who's flasked with flask of fortitude |
| 06:00.44 | art3mis | heh |
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| 06:11.08 | Guillotine | Cairenn: Can I make a suggestion? In the Survival Guide, for things like DamageMeters, put "Will not be updated" or something where it says "[Not updated for 2.4]" instead of in a note in the description |
| 06:11.27 | Cairenn | can't, not set up for that |
| 06:11.33 | Guillotine | ah |
| 06:11.58 | Cairenn | the description and alternatives are pretty good clues |
| 06:11.58 | Guillotine | ok, I'm sure people will notice |
| 06:12.10 | Cairenn | hope so |
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| 06:12.34 | Guillotine | yah, I was just wondering if people would actually read the description (especially when they already use the addon so think they know what it says) |
| 06:12.46 | Cairenn | that's why I put it in bold |
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| 06:17.05 | Amarande | hmm. someday, I will understand Blizzard's inconsistencies. |
| 06:17.10 | Amarande | Not sure when. |
| 06:17.30 | Amarande | Consider, say, quests in SMV. |
| 06:17.56 | Amarande | [70] Breaching the Path, which involves killing small, soloable groups of non-elite mobs in an area with nasty elite pats, is marked G3. |
| 06:18.52 | Amarande | OTOH, [70] To Netherwing Ledge!, which involves gathering items guarded (i.e., so you won't be getting away without having to fight them) by small, soloable groups of non-elite mobs, in an area with EVEN NASTIER elite pats, is marked solo. |
| 06:18.55 | Amarande | I don't get it. :) |
| 06:19.36 | Guillotine | So, any bets on what happens a week from tomorrow? |
| 06:19.38 | Amarande | hell, the elite pats in the first case are probably soloable, if you get them without adds, have decent gear and know what you are doing. the elites in the other one are basically there to give you a repair bill. :) |
| 06:19.39 | NightHawkTheSane | well to be fair, To Netherwing Ledge! was around before the netherwing patch that made the dragonmaw ascendends pains in the asses |
| 06:20.01 | Amarande | as in, dead seriously, you have a better chance fighting a Fel Reaver than an Ascendant. |
| 06:20.09 | Amarande | There are probably BT trash mobs that aren't as bad as an Ascendant. |
| 06:20.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i've seen a t4 geared prot pally kill an ascendant |
| 06:20.40 | Amarande | but what irritates me about the damned ascendants is that they made them super fast too for no reason I can think of |
| 06:20.48 | Amarande | you can't fight them, so obviously you gotta get away from them, no? |
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| 06:20.51 | NightHawkTheSane | "to give you a repair bill" |
| 06:21.08 | Amarande | but oddly, the only class that can reliably escape them is, as I've said, the one class that has no business on netherwing ledge to begin with :) |
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| 06:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | what, druid? shit if i'm in combat and not in flight form already, i'm as good as toast. :P |
| 06:21.49 | Amarande | yeah. Druid |
| 06:22.22 | Amarande | and that's only because since flight form is instant, they can jump off the edge (which causes the ascendant to evade and break aggro as they are melee) and go flight form instead of splatting |
| 06:22.49 | Amarande | I've seen tales of every class in the game using pretty much every speed up for themselves/snare for the enemy that they can muster |
| 06:22.52 | NightHawkTheSane | only if your close enough to a ledge to jump off |
| 06:23.03 | Amarande | classes that are particularly well endowed with both sprint and snare abilities too, even |
| 06:23.07 | Amarande | and yet, even THEY can't get away |
| 06:23.37 | Amarande | wonder if we have more of that sort of BS elite to look forward to in Wrath, too |
| 06:23.45 | Amarande | but that's rehashing my usual worries about Wrath |
| 06:25.08 | Amarande | basically, that Blizzard will ratchet up the difficulty for economic reasons |
| 06:25.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, they did infuse a lot of cash into the economy with tbc. |
| 06:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | but i agree, bullshit repair bills are, well, bullshit |
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| 06:26.07 | Amarande | well, the thing that bugs me about WOTLK is twofold |
| 06:26.26 | Amarande | 1) there is no new huge outflux for people who already have epic flying because 375 riding isn't going to be in |
| 06:26.44 | Amarande | 2) for people who *don't* have epic flying, there's no real point to buying it for a long time anyway since you won't be able to fly in Northrend till 78 |
| 06:27.14 | Amarande | which means there's a ton of money staying in the economy, and few reasonable ways to remove it, outside of consumables (can't make them too expensive or casuals will cry), repair bills, and AH cuts |
| 06:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you cant fly in northrend till 78? thats new to me |
| 06:27.25 | Amarande | That's what's been said |
| 06:27.28 | Guillotine | I have a feeling the new profession is going to be a very expensive one to serve as a money sink |
| 06:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | how's that going to work? |
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| 06:27.52 | MentalPower | NightHawkTheSane: de-icing for mounts |
| 06:27.56 | Amarande | well, there is the fact that people will probably have to grind up to at least 350 or 375 or so in inscription before it will be useful AT ALL |
| 06:27.56 | kd3 | wha, not being able to fly til 78? probably a quest teaching you how to de-ice the wings |
| 06:28.10 | Amarande | kinda like how JC mostly sucks below 300 |
| 06:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, fair enoough |
| 06:28.16 | Guillotine | Or 5000g for a deicer |
| 06:29.17 | Amarande | what bugs me is whether this is also going to be an additional barrier to entry to say, raiding groups and such at 80 |
| 06:29.31 | Amarande | "what, your shadow bolt doesn't have chance to stun attached? sorry, you're not good enough" |
| 06:30.58 | Amarande | on a similar Wrath subject |
| 06:31.14 | Amarande | what do you guys think about the comments about difficulty of obtaining tank gear in BC? |
| 06:31.24 | Amarande | (unless you leveled all the way up as tank and took advantage of tank quest reward gear) |
| 06:31.45 | Amarande | people are starting to suggest that Blizzard is engineering a tank shortage to make the introduction of the Death Knight smoother |
| 06:33.22 | Amarande | QQ, or legitimate conspiracy? |
| 06:33.27 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds like typical hype/overreaction, to me. I mean, I've got some issues with druid tanking gear, and the fact that there's no tanking shield in any t5 instance, but i dont think there's any intentional engineering to "weed out" tanks |
| 06:33.32 | Cide | QQ of course |
| 06:33.34 | Cide | people are stupid |
| 06:33.36 | Cide | and retarded |
| 06:33.38 | Cide | and stupid |
| 06:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 06:33.43 | Shirik|AFK | and retarted |
| 06:33.47 | Amarande | I *do* get the feeling that death knights are going to shake up the melee world a lot though |
| 06:33.49 | Shirik|AFK | and bad spellers |
| 06:33.49 | Amarande | at least in the beginning |
| 06:34.01 | Shirik|AFK | and hi Cide, why are you up this late? |
| 06:34.04 | Shirik|AFK | or early |
| 06:34.06 | Cide | no idea |
| 06:34.06 | Shirik|AFK | I forget which one it is |
| 06:34.07 | Cide | late |
| 06:34.09 | Cide | I'm a programmer |
| 06:34.11 | Cide | it's what we do |
| 06:34.18 | Shirik|AFK | I'm an engineer |
| 06:34.19 | Amarande | it also feels an hour earlier than it is |
| 06:34.28 | Amarande | since I transferred to Quel'dorei which is a time zone behind me |
| 06:35.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: time will tell, of course, i think in the long run it wont be a big deal |
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| 06:35.38 | Amarande | yeah, death knights will probably be mostly relegated to melee dps, I think |
| 06:35.48 | Amarande | except for a small few, like there's a small few bear druids that really do well as tanks |
| 06:36.07 | Cide | they'll tank I'm sure |
| 06:36.09 | Amarande | for the most part, people want tanks with shield block capabilities, read: prot pally or warrior |
| 06:36.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: see, there i dont think thats necessarily true |
| 06:36.25 | art3mis | Amarande: hehe thas fi there are other classes ;P |
| 06:36.27 | Cide | you do realize they'll gain different mechanics (like druids) |
| 06:36.27 | Amarande | aren't there a few bosses where the MT basically has to be one with a shield? |
| 06:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a good chance bosses in wrath wont crushy |
| 06:36.39 | Cide | Amarande: yes, like illidan |
| 06:36.46 | Cide | but still |
| 06:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | or at least, that non-crushing bosses will be more common |
| 06:37.00 | Cide | classes without a shield have their place |
| 06:37.03 | Cide | with that said, night |
| 06:37.19 | NightHawkTheSane | and unless you have knowledge that i dont, there's no way to know that dk's wont hav ea way to avoid crushes that isn't shield blocking |
| 06:37.54 | Amarande | Night: yeah, I get the feeling they may try to make bosses more DK friendly |
| 06:38.03 | Amarande | however, I see another reason why DKs aren't going to be so good |
| 06:38.08 | Amarande | DKs start out high level, this is bad |
| 06:38.18 | Amarande | at least, in the beginning |
| 06:38.41 | Amarande | you get a lot of high level characters who don't have the experience to go with it. |
| 06:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: well, thats a function of players, not classes |
| 06:39.01 | Amarande | it's like how when heroic keys were lowered to honored and raid attunements were removed, you get a lot of people who aren't good enough trying to do it anyway |
| 06:39.07 | Amarande | yeah, but classes get rep based on their players |
| 06:39.12 | Amarande | look at say the Assassin in Guild Wars |
| 06:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | not disagreeing, but thats fairly ignorant |
| 06:39.41 | Amarande | they get turned down almost all the time for PvE parties, because so many people misplayed them |
| 06:39.49 | Amarande | the WoW equivalent would be the hunter |
| 06:40.03 | Amarande | hunters have to work a lot harder to distinguish themselves, for two basic reasons |
| 06:40.30 | Amarande | one, that there's so many of them competing for raid slots, and two, that a lot of bad players play as hunters, so they get a rep for being an ezmode noob class |
| 06:42.38 | Amarande | I don't know if death knights will be popular with bad players, especially since you need a high level to earn one |
| 06:42.50 | Amarande | but I do get the feeling they will suffer really bad from the "too many of them" issue |
| 06:42.52 | Corrodias | sure they will. you just need a hunter. XD |
| 06:42.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well, its not like bad players dont get to high levels :P |
| 06:42.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: zing :P |
| 06:43.17 | Corrodias | oh, i dunno. i don't think we suffered from being overrun by elves and goats |
| 06:43.21 | Amarande | actually, pretty much every dps class suffers from the too many issue |
| 06:43.34 | Corrodias | at first, everyone will want to try it, but that doesn't mean everybody wants to switch their main |
| 06:43.38 | Amarande | it's one reason I respecced my priest to holy, even though she's still got nine more level ups to do |
| 06:43.39 | Corrodias | *everyone -> lots of people |
| 06:43.51 | Amarande | a healer has a bright future ahead when it comes to groups at 70 |
| 06:44.00 | Amarande | a dps class really doesn't, especially on a highly progressed server like Turalyon |
| 06:44.20 | Amarande | and by highly progressed ... we're only a Medium server and yet have 2 horde guilds finished with BT and a third horde guild about halfway |
| 06:44.33 | Corrodias | we need a Jedi class. |
| 06:44.42 | Amarande | not like say, Quel'dorei where I transferred my lock |
| 06:44.49 | Corrodias | force push spam lol! |
| 06:44.50 | Amarande | there aren't even ANY horde guilds through with BT here |
| 06:46.51 | Amarande | yes, I actually -transferred- to get a server with bad progression LOL |
| 06:48.18 | art3mis | okay quick quetion |
| 06:49.27 | art3mis | let' say that there's this svn with a coding project on it.. and someone takes said coding project and forks it, there is no explicitly set copyright on it(ie in the code or seperate files) what sort of "rights" does the original maker have for it as far as it's inability to be forked |
| 06:51.26 | Amarande | IANAL, but I seem to recall that if your copyright is unregistered, you're only able to recover any actual straight damages that might result |
| 06:51.35 | Amarande | in other words, probably not much |
| 06:53.22 | art3mis | http://www.asylum.com/gallery/ink-that-stinks/481213/ |
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| 06:55.47 | Amarande | anyway, do you think having spells enhanced with expensive inscriptions is going to end up becoming a way of life in WOTLK? |
| 06:56.18 | kd3 | much in the same way that we get all of our gear enchanted and gemmed |
| 06:58.20 | Amarande | or that next thing our quickbars are going to have to be laden with every separate rank of shadow bolt, each inscribed with a different thing? |
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| 06:59.14 | Arthenik | hey guys, id like to use eepanels to create a button, is that possible at all? thanks :) |
| 06:59.51 | Corrodias | i won't let you |
| 07:00.41 | widgertick | You're a jerk =P |
| 07:01.16 | Arthenik | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.46 | Amarande | I suppose one wonders when WoW will hit the limit. |
| 07:02.58 | Amarande | it's one thing I wondered also when, say, GW introduced the Domain of Anguish |
| 07:03.12 | Thrae | http://shygypsy.com/farm <-- see you next Tuesday. |
| 07:03.53 | Amarande | basically, the critical point, when in search of adding greater challenges, you bump up against the limits of what it is reasonably possible to do within the bounds of the game engine. |
| 07:06.19 | Amarande | when do you think WoW will hit that? |
| 07:06.58 | Cairenn | Arthenik: ignore them, that's what we do |
| 07:07.25 | Industrial | nsfw http://dagobah.biz/flash/touch_you.swf |
| 07:07.25 | MentalPower | art3mis: code with no explicit license is automatically full (C) |
| 07:07.27 | Arthenik | does anyone at least know if its possible? i know that creating buttons was possible with the old discord mods, so i figured that it is likely for eepanels to be able to do the same. i tried searching wowwiki for some help, but i am a complete noob at LUA and API and i couldnt find anything that would let me define how a frame is going to react when i click on it |
| 07:07.28 | MentalPower | ie, all rights reserved |
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| 07:08.19 | Arthenik | Cairenn: alright :) |
| 07:08.25 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 07:08.30 | MentalPower | so the original coder(s) have ownership over their own sections, and the person who wrote the code on revision1 has the most power |
| 07:08.39 | MentalPower | since everything else is derived from his/her code |
| 07:09.44 | art3mis | MentalPower: even if provided on an svn with multiple authors and someone decides they wanna fork it? |
| 07:10.30 | MentalPower | art3mis: mind you I'm no lawyer, so take my words with a grain of salt |
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| 07:10.52 | Amarande | on the good side, *IF* I understand things right, IANAL though, the only time you might experience pain is when one of the contributors first sees that their stuff is being used. |
| 07:11.12 | Amarande | well, actually, I'm not sure that applies to copyright as well ... not being a lawyerdroid lol |
| 07:11.16 | MentalPower | anyways, the original program's author, aka revision1 guy, has the final say |
| 07:11.27 | Amarande | I do know with the whole software patent thing, there was a bunch of stuff to do with the "theory of prosecution laches" |
| 07:11.28 | MentalPower | tho at this point, all parties have to agree to a license change |
| 07:11.42 | Amarande | which as I understood it meant that when you find out your rights are being infringed, it's a now or never decision |
| 07:12.07 | Amarande | i.e., you are not allowed to let someone continue to infringe your rights until a moment that would be to your best advantage to prosecute them; you have to do it when you find out, or lose the right to |
| 07:12.11 | MentalPower | and the dissenting parties' code has to be reverted and not used |
| 07:12.24 | art3mis | mntal: yeah i was curious is all, thers a project i'm part of and someone decided to fork his own project from it |
| 07:12.46 | art3mis | so now the original people have all agreed on a CC attrition-noncommercial-share licence |
| 07:13.04 | art3mis | so thats good ;) |
| 07:13.15 | MentalPower | did that someone contribute code to the project before the fork? |
| 07:13.35 | Amarande | basically, this whole black morass |
| 07:13.47 | Amarande | is a good reason why intellectual property is a bad thing and stifles rather than encourages creativity. :) |
| 07:14.19 | Cairenn | that's a matter of opinion |
| 07:14.28 | MentalPower | agrees with Cairenn |
| 07:14.41 | MentalPower | copyright is a good thing, IMO |
| 07:14.58 | Cairenn | (one that I, personally, don't agree with) |
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| 07:15.14 | kergoth | eh, it sounds like Amarande is confusing copyright with patents. copyright is about what you've produced, not your IP persay. copyright has value, even in software. software patents on the other hand.. |
| 07:15.29 | MentalPower | anyways, art3mis if that person contributed code, then you can't ever use that code, or even look at it anymore |
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| 07:15.35 | Amarande | MentalPower: IP in general is by its nature restrictive, rather than freeing |
| 07:15.41 | Amarande | and thus, in the end a bad thing |
| 07:15.47 | MentalPower | IP ~= (C) |
| 07:15.51 | Cairenn | copyright is one thing, intellectual property rights another and patents a third |
| 07:15.58 | MentalPower | IP == Patents |
| 07:16.11 | Cairenn | no, actually |
| 07:16.13 | Shirik|AFK | eh, I wouldn't say that MentalPower |
| 07:16.23 | MentalPower | actually thats wrong |
| 07:16.29 | Amarande | the way it is legally treated in the US by large corporations, you can hardly create ANYTHING in a commercial basis without hiring a team of lawyers to make sure that it isn't too similar to someone else's copyrighted property so you don't get sued. |
| 07:16.30 | MentalPower | bah, slow fingers |
| 07:16.33 | Cairenn | (C) ~-= IP ~= Patent |
| 07:16.39 | Shirik | trust me, I know IP agreements by now >< |
| 07:16.39 | Amarande | especially if it's a large corporation's property. |
| 07:17.06 | MentalPower | Amarande: that happens when patents are in the way |
| 07:17.07 | Amarande | because then it doesn't really matter if you're in the right, no more than it matters that a solo level 70 character is "the good guys" if he tries to go up against Illidan. :) |
| 07:17.34 | Amarande | (Give it a few more expansion packs though and a level 110 will be soloing Illidan easily. :P) |
| 07:17.38 | MentalPower | with copyright, we can both make a prime number generator, using the same algo, and not infringe on each other's copyrights |
| 07:17.57 | Amarande | In theory |
| 07:18.02 | MentalPower | in practice |
| 07:18.08 | Amarande | In practice, if the other entity making that prime number generator is a large corporation |
| 07:18.19 | Amarande | you will be sued, and either have to say sorry I was wrong or spend all your money and go bankrupt in the court. |
| 07:18.39 | MentalPower | thats what the EFF is for :) |
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| 07:18.40 | Amarande | which, basically, is the problem with large corporate IP of any sort |
| 07:18.51 | Amarande | they are right, you are wrong, just as Illidan will squish that solo 70. |
| 07:19.08 | Amarande | you may be right -in truth-, but I hope you like living in your cardboard box because you wanted to prove the point instead of being practical :| |
| 07:19.21 | MentalPower | since the large corporation only has a legal recourse if they own a valid patent for that algorithm |
| 07:19.29 | MentalPower | if theres no patents, theres no issue |
| 07:19.56 | art3mis | in nix whats /dev/md0 ? |
| 07:20.03 | kergoth | software raid, art3mis |
| 07:20.12 | kergoth | iirc anyway |
| 07:20.24 | art3mis | and if i dont have software raid it would/should just be hda1 right? |
| 07:20.30 | Shirik | correct |
| 07:20.32 | Shirik | or sda1 |
| 07:20.34 | Amarande | I guess sometimes I've always wondered also what the limits are between 'inspired by' and 'illegally infringing'. |
| 07:20.36 | art3mis | kk |
| 07:20.42 | Amarande | I mean, consider say, the shape of a fantasy continent |
| 07:20.42 | art3mis | i knew something about it was wrong ;P |
| 07:21.14 | Amarande | if I happen to draw something roughly the same shape as the Eastern Kingdoms (perhaps because I have a mental imprint of a fantasy continent shaped like that) |
| 07:21.19 | Amarande | have I just walked on Blizzard's rights? |
| 07:22.01 | Amarande | or to be more specific, say I draw a continent where the northern part has a big wasteland in the west part, and the northeastern part is sort of knob shaped. which happens to be how Joe Dever's Magnamund is shaped. |
| 07:22.30 | MentalPower | Amarande: IIRC that depends on how long before drawing your continent you last saw eastern kingdoms, it also depends how exactly you copy the original design |
| 07:23.22 | MentalPower | aka if you just saw it 1min ago, and your drawing ends up really close, you're prolly infringing |
| 07:24.06 | Amarande | which also produces a sort of creative paradox that is not really such a great thing |
| 07:24.07 | MentalPower | however if you last saw it a year ago, and your continent ends up similar in shape, but with specific differences you're prolly ok |
| 07:24.23 | Amarande | Hardcore fantasy fans are the most likely to want to design their own worlds and stories therein |
| 07:24.30 | Amarande | and yet, they're probably the least -able- to do so in a legal sense |
| 07:24.42 | Amarande | because of the need to take so much care not to lift anything in particular too strongly |
| 07:25.03 | Amarande | like I said, copyright is not wholly a positive thing |
| 07:25.52 | Amarande | however, I am also by nature an artist and a highly giving person which may also color my opinions |
| 07:26.02 | Amarande | many people's primary focus is on a source of money |
| 07:26.02 | Shirik | hahaha I get it |
| 07:26.06 | Shirik | artist... color opinions |
| 07:26.12 | Shirik | goes back to the oven |
| 07:26.17 | MentalPower | ~lart Shirik |
| 07:26.17 | purl | eats Shirik's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 07:27.04 | art3mis | swen back together |
| 07:27.07 | art3mis | grown back together |
| 07:27.08 | Amarande | (which also explains why I don't have an epic flyer yet. lol. I'm too inclined to help people out instead of what I should be doing, which is standing in Shattrath cutting gems for gold) |
| 07:27.17 | Shirik | yup me too |
| 07:27.27 | Shirik | I refuse to take anything for free and give everything out to people without them paying |
| 07:27.33 | MentalPower | most of my code is GPL, with some public domain here and there, so I give out most of my code too. however I still need to live, so some of my code is not even mine anymore |
| 07:27.35 | Shirik | except recently my guild is forcing me to take things without paying |
| 07:29.06 | Amarande | though there's some times when I give away things eventually |
| 07:29.14 | Amarande | like say, Warlords cards |
| 07:29.38 | Amarande | I usually make an attempt or two to sell them on AH, which never, ever works out, then I give them to the next person to PST me in trade chat because I feel guilty just merching something like that |
| 07:30.05 | Shirik | .... |
| 07:30.08 | Shirik | yay for plug and play |
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| 07:30.17 | Shirik | plug in a USB device... Windows Explorer has stopped working |
| 07:30.32 | Shirik | unplug it, get back to stable state, plug in a USB device... Windows Explorer has stopped working |
| 07:30.37 | art3mis | i prefer to give out and do chants and shit for free |
| 07:30.45 | art3mis | that way when *I* need favours..... |
| 07:30.47 | art3mis | ;) |
| 07:31.27 | Amarande | oh god no. |
| 07:31.34 | Amarande | I almost stumbled into the aldor camp |
| 07:32.08 | Amarande | which would be a good way to die |
| 07:32.15 | Amarande | and I've only about a half hour to quest before I have to log out |
| 07:32.18 | art3mis | anyone ever messed with xen? |
| 07:32.19 | AnduinLothar | doesn't prt you? |
| 07:32.59 | Amarande | at least, from what I've heard, Quel'dorei will be going down in about 30 minutes for patch |
| 07:33.21 | MentalPower | Amarande: wrong |
| 07:33.30 | AnduinLothar | 3am |
| 07:33.34 | AnduinLothar | 2.5hr |
| 07:33.37 | MentalPower | 3am blizz |
| 07:33.39 | MentalPower | right |
| 07:33.44 | MentalPower | what AnduinLothar said |
| 07:33.46 | Amarande | ahh, 3am pacific for all servers |
| 07:33.53 | MentalPower | yes |
| 07:33.57 | MentalPower | 3am blizz time |
| 07:34.01 | Amarande | ok, that works. |
| 07:34.03 | MentalPower | aka PST |
| 07:34.10 | Amarande | just in time for me to get off WoW to watch the Red Sox game |
| 07:34.18 | MentalPower | Shirik: what windows, and what device |
| 07:34.42 | Amarande | any of you guys staying up for the red sox? |
| 07:35.16 | art3mis | has anyone setup xen? |
| 07:35.58 | MentalPower | no and no |
| 07:36.56 | Shirik | Anyone here familiar with Windows error codes? |
| 07:37.07 | Shirik | i.e., 0xc0000005 == access violation? |
| 07:37.09 | Shirik | etc? |
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| 07:41.03 | MentalPower | Shirik: only a few redmond geeks know what those mean |
| 07:41.20 | Sixen | Yeah, Shirik, what's up? |
| 07:41.44 | Shirik | just want to know what 0xc000000d means |
| 07:41.45 | MentalPower | Thrae: damn you! |
| 07:41.47 | Shirik | MentalPower: I know a few :( |
| 07:41.51 | Shirik | what's "redmond geek" |
| 07:41.54 | Sixen | That would be... |
| 07:42.20 | MentalPower | Redmond == Redmond, WA == Main Microsoft Campus |
| 07:42.43 | Sixen | NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER |
| 07:43.27 | Sixen | So it's basically just an Invalid Param |
| 07:43.49 | Shirik | hmm |
| 07:43.50 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:43.52 | Shirik | thanks |
| 07:43.58 | Sixen | Yup |
| 07:44.25 | Sixen | Brb. |
| 07:44.59 | Shirik | isn't there a place I can look these up? |
| 07:46.03 | Shirik | quickly vanishes temporarily |
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| 07:58.41 | Sixen | Yes Shirik |
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| 08:01.23 | Sixen | Shirik, you can. |
| 08:01.30 | Shirik | I can? |
| 08:01.40 | Sixen | I usually just go on Google and search the Error code. But, you can do it directly from M$ website. |
| 08:02.37 | Sixen | Trying to find a good one, hang on. |
| 08:07.14 | Sixen | Meh |
| 08:07.36 | Sixen | Just search the error code on Google, it usually pops up with Microsoft's website as the 1st link. |
| 08:10.18 | MentalPower | Thrae: I really hate you now |
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| 08:40.43 | nevcairiel | so was there any specific news regarding 2.4 while i was sleeping? |
| 08:41.02 | nevcairiel | short of PTR closing |
| 08:41.06 | Sixen | Nope |
| 08:41.11 | Cairenn | they haven't officially announced it per se, but yeah, it's getting pushed |
| 08:41.27 | Cairenn | they have said there is an extended downtime |
| 08:41.38 | Cairenn | that's the only "official" word tus far |
| 08:41.47 | Cairenn | s/tus/thus/ |
| 08:41.50 | nevcairiel | they're probably careful until they know its a 100% |
| 08:41.59 | Cairenn | it's happening |
| 08:42.11 | Cairenn | has been wrong how many times? ;) |
| 08:42.50 | MentalPower | raises no fingers |
| 08:43.02 | MentalPower | goes to sleep |
| 08:43.07 | MentalPower | gnight all |
| 08:43.17 | nevcairiel | we've all been saying it for a few days now, still some real confirmation would calm me down :P |
| 08:43.21 | Cairenn | sweet dreams MentalPower|ZzZz |
| 08:43.42 | MentalPower|ZzZz | nevcairiel: its today, trust us |
| 08:43.53 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: I've had it from 3 of my little birdies |
| 08:43.55 | Cairenn | it's going |
| 08:43.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:44.52 | nevcairiel | oh i believe you, thats not the problem, i just need some blue post to point my guildys to so they stop bothering me |
| 08:44.58 | Cairenn | yeah, I know |
| 08:45.09 | Cairenn | nothing official for you to point at yet though |
| 08:45.17 | nevcairiel | PTR down post is a good start |
| 08:46.57 | MentalPower|ZzZz | that official post is still at least an hour away |
| 08:46.59 | MentalPower|ZzZz | if not more |
| 08:47.05 | MentalPower|ZzZz | prolly more |
| 08:47.06 | Cairenn | aye, most likely |
| 08:47.14 | nevcairiel | i just woke up, i have time |
| 08:47.19 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 08:58.39 | Shirik | sigh |
| 08:58.44 | Shirik | my bot was working perfectly the whole time |
| 08:58.49 | Shirik | two hours of debugging wasted >< |
| 08:58.55 | Shirik | documentation is a valuable tool |
| 08:59.18 | Nechckn | oh damn.. sorry Shirik that bites |
| 09:00.10 | Shirik | it has 3 modes, passive safe and full. In passive almost nothing works, to protect itself. In safe, it automatically reverts to passive if it detects a problem. In full, those safeties are shut off. Apparently it reverted to passive without my knowledge, and I'm sitting here trying to figure out why this one command won't go through >< |
| 09:01.06 | Nechckn | omg... I'd have to scrap the poor fella... cause it would have been launched through the air upon such a discovery |
| 09:02.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:03.46 | Shirik | the question really is why is it in passive mode, though |
| 09:04.12 | nevcairiel | because you had it in safe mode before and a problem occured? |
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| 09:15.28 | Shirik | hm |
| 09:15.38 | Shirik | wierd, it's shutting down when I initialize the data stream |
| 09:15.41 | Shirik | oh well, I think it's time for sleep |
| 09:15.50 | Shirik | night |
| 09:16.10 | nevcairiel | man the function list plugin in Notepad++ needs some love |
| 09:16.33 | clad|office | i can generate a new one if you get me the format necessary |
| 09:17.13 | Cairenn | night Shirik|zZz |
| 09:17.55 | nevcairiel | for some reason it breaks on lua multiline comments |
| 09:20.20 | nevcairiel | maybe the lua regex needs some love |
| 09:20.21 | nevcairiel | hmm |
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| 09:41.53 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: just like your mom |
| 09:42.46 | nevcairiel | 20 minutes and you only come up with that one? |
| 09:43.37 | nevcairiel | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 09:43.37 | purl | pushes the wall down onto sag_ich_nicht whilst whistling innocently |
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| 09:50.59 | AnduinLothar | Servers goin down in 10min |
| 09:51.08 | Nom- | yupyup |
| 09:51.12 | Nom- | looking forward to 2.40 |
| 09:51.36 | sag_ich_nicht | so anduinlothar |
| 09:51.37 | sag_ich_nicht | is cosmos ready for 2.4? :P |
| 09:51.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Nom- |
| 09:51.46 | purl | shoots Nom- in the head |
| 09:51.51 | sag_ich_nicht | it's 2.4 not 2.40 |
| 09:51.54 | sag_ich_nicht | you noob |
| 09:52.04 | nevcairiel | he just forgot a . |
| 09:52.21 | Nom- | Version numbers don't have multiple dots |
| 09:52.27 | Nom- | *pout* |
| 09:52.41 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 09:52.47 | sag_ich_nicht | because 1.10 |
| 09:52.49 | sag_ich_nicht | 1.11 |
| 09:52.51 | sag_ich_nicht | etc. |
| 09:52.57 | sag_ich_nicht | also version numbers have multiple dots |
| 09:52.57 | nevcairiel | MAJOR.MINOR.BUILD |
| 09:52.58 | sag_ich_nicht | you fucking noob |
| 09:53.00 | nevcairiel | is quite common |
| 09:53.18 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW doesn't use that tho |
| 09:53.32 | sag_ich_nicht | WoW uses EXPANSION.MAJOR.MINOR.BUILD |
| 09:53.37 | Nom- | Meh, I think in perl versions |
| 09:53.50 | Nom- | Where 5.6.1 = 5.61 = 5.006001 |
| 09:54.01 | sag_ich_nicht | that's great. nobody cares about that tho |
| 09:54.01 | Nom- | They're all recognised as the same :P |
| 09:54.22 | Nom- | Meh, that's why I say 2.40... coz my brain is thinking 2.004000 |
| 09:54.28 | sag_ich_nicht | it's patch 2.4.0.8089 |
| 09:54.39 | sag_ich_nicht | to be exact |
| 09:55.00 | sag_ich_nicht | unless they do a final build with debugs disabled in which case 2.4.0.8090 |
| 09:55.05 | Nom- | Whatever yas knew what i meant |
| 09:55.17 | nevcairiel | latest ptr patch already had debugging disabled |
| 09:55.26 | sag_ich_nicht | k |
| 10:02.42 | Amarande | hmm, how long do you think it will take the 2.4 versions of addons to percolate onto the addon sites? |
| 10:02.58 | Amarande | basically, if I use addons a lot, is it time to take a week's vacation or so from the game? :) |
| 10:03.36 | AnduinLothar | sag_ich_nicht:: yes, Cosmos is ready for 2.4. Only thing that needs to still happen is to have the toc's bumped. |
| 10:03.45 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 10:03.57 | Atriace | Oh, snap. I forgot to update my toc. |
| 10:04.41 | AnduinLothar | I don't usually bother to update toc's on addon sites unless something else changed |
| 10:04.48 | Amarande | oh, god |
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| 10:04.54 | Amarande | half my interface isn't updated for 2.4 |
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| 10:05.48 | AnduinLothar | Anyway, i'm out for the night. I'll be back before the servers come back. |
| 10:06.30 | Amarande | hmm, what do I use |
| 10:07.15 | Atriace | Cairenn: do you know what the current toc # is? http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/FrameXML.toc seems offline. |
| 10:08.35 | Amarande | ArkInventory ... ClearFont2 ... EBB ... Mobinfo2 ... Omen ... Quartz ... X-Perl ... |
| 10:08.37 | Amarande | screams |
| 10:08.40 | Amarande | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 10:08.46 | Amarande | I'm not ready for patch day :( |
| 10:09.28 | nevcairiel | Omen will be ready |
| 10:09.35 | nevcairiel | Quartz works fine too, just wasnt updated |
| 10:11.18 | nevcairiel | EU alert got a 2.4.0 patch notice |
| 10:11.22 | nevcairiel | US alert still doesnt say =P |
| 10:12.19 | Amarande | I don't get it ... how is Oakland being considered the 'home' team today |
| 10:12.35 | Amarande | I mean, the Red Sox are the champions and all, shouldn't they get the home slot? :) |
| 10:12.40 | sag_ich_nicht | Amarande: YOU ARE NOT PREPARED! |
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| 10:13.12 | Amarande | hmm, what do I use in total ... |
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| 10:15.10 | Amarande | Auctioneer & friends; ArkInventory; Bartender3; Big Wigs; Cartographer; ClearFont2; cyCircled; EBB; EQCompare; ErrorMonster; Little Wigs; Mobinfo2; nQuestLog; Omen; OmniCC; oRA2; Quartz; QuestAnnouncer; SCT; SCTD; SimpleMinimap; Skillet; TipTac; X-Perl; |
| 10:15.38 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: why is there a claim on WoWI that DM isn't being updated for 2.4? or did i miss something? (the source link that claims this doesn't work because LOL SERVER LOAD) |
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| 10:16.54 | Amarande | and FuBar with AmmoFu, BagFu, ChatAlertsFu, ClockFu, DurabilityFu, ExperienceFu, FactionsFu, FriendsFu, GarbageFu, GuildFu, HonorFu, LocationFu, MailFu, MoneyFu, NetStatsFu, PetInfoFu, SkillsPlusFu, ToFu, TopScoreFu, XPerlFu, and FuTextures |
| 10:17.04 | Amarande | anything notable in there that's going to break and I'll have to do without that's not mentioned? |
| 10:17.21 | Arrowmaster | i can think of lots |
| 10:17.24 | Amarande | a lot of these aren't really noted by name in the survival guide. |
| 10:17.38 | Atriace | You'll know for sure in about 8 hours. |
| 10:17.38 | nevcairiel | Amarande: dont think so, the big ones like SCT got updated allready |
| 10:18.01 | Arrowmaster | and eww at still using EQCompare |
| 10:18.15 | Amarande | well ... I'm still not sure what the 'new in thing' is for that one |
| 10:18.30 | Arrowmaster | tekKompare or Mirror |
| 10:18.36 | Amarande | it worked under 2.3.3 without any real issues so I kept using it |
| 10:20.06 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm |
| 10:20.08 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 10:20.18 | sag_ich_nicht | no nvm. |
| 10:22.19 | Amarande | actually, I think I may have had one or two issues with it but they were rare, and I'm not sure that was the addon that actually was at fault |
| 10:22.39 | Amarande | occasionally, when mousing over one or other potential quest reward, the tooltip would get mashed together with something else |
| 10:22.55 | Amarande | but that's probably because some of my tooltips have way too much crap in them |
| 10:23.12 | Amarande | EQCompare, Auctioneer, etc., half the stuff I -have- modifies item tooltips |
| 10:28.25 | Nom- | http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/l33171/childkill.jpg <-- classic |
| 10:28.29 | Nom- | (perfectly work safe btw) |
| 10:29.58 | Atriace | So he gets born with lung cancer AND deaf? Rough life... |
| 10:33.06 | Roblibob | I was about to type a sarcastic comment but that image just leaves me speechless |
| 10:36.09 | Nom- | lol indeed |
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| 11:38.02 | lonk_afk | curse is gonna have a bad day... http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/3978/ |
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| 11:38.26 | schnoggo | but the new design is pretty! |
| 11:38.46 | nevcairiel | poor curse, its even slow without patches |
| 11:38.52 | nevcairiel | and already dead to me |
| 11:38.58 | nevcairiel | page doesnt load =P |
| 11:39.07 | Matrix110 | Internal Server Error |
| 11:40.41 | JoshBorke | pokes clad |
| 11:40.47 | cladhaire | hai? |
| 11:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. I do hate to see what will happen with a patch. |
| 11:40.59 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: authorize omnicc update :-P |
| 11:41.18 | JoshBorke | s/:-P/please?/ |
| 11:41.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hai to patch that wasn't there half an hour ago.... |
| 11:41.45 | cladhaire | Omen and OmniCC approved |
| 11:41.51 | Antiarc | Thanks, clad |
| 11:41.56 | cladhaire | just ping me |
| 11:41.59 | cladhaire | i'll be here all day |
| 11:42.02 | Antiarc | Hehe, okay. |
| 11:42.05 | cladhaire | its easier than me trying to refresh |
| 11:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | You're a god among approver-people, Cladhaire. |
| 11:42.22 | Antiarc | O_O 3 downloads already? |
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| 11:42.36 | Antiarc | I put that up like 90 sec ago |
| 11:42.46 | JoshBorke | my favorites ftw |
| 11:42.52 | JoshBorke | where's omen2? |
| 11:42.58 | nevcairiel | that is Omen2 |
| 11:42.59 | Antiarc | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8459-OmenThreatMeter.html |
| 11:43.07 | JoshBorke | oh good |
| 11:43.12 | Matrix110 | Curse has maintance :D |
| 11:43.13 | Antiarc | I'm not branding it Omen2 for a number of reasons |
| 11:43.15 | cladhaire | Antiarc: did you get it updated on curse? |
| 11:43.22 | Antiarc | cladhaire: Not yet, curse is down |
| 11:43.28 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: you fail at folders |
| 11:43.30 | cladhaire | k |
| 11:43.31 | nevcairiel | curse will be down all week |
| 11:43.32 | cladhaire | just trying to keep the survival guide up to date |
| 11:43.34 | Antiarc | JoshBorke: What |
| 11:43.43 | Antiarc | cladhaire: I'll be updating it as soon as Curse is up. |
| 11:43.47 | JoshBorke | omen-r65705.zip->omen-r65705 |
| 11:43.49 | cladhaire | shoot me the URL when you do |
| 11:43.50 | nevcairiel | their page is slow during "normal" times, patches kill them |
| 11:43.51 | Antiarc | DOH |
| 11:43.59 | Antiarc | I did that to add a text file |
| 11:44.21 | JoshBorke | ha |
| 11:44.29 | JoshBorke | it's omen-r65705->omen->stuff |
| 11:44.30 | Matrix110 | woot |
| 11:44.33 | Antiarc | Thanks |
| 11:44.34 | Antiarc | I'll fix it |
| 11:44.42 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 11:45.06 | Matrix110 | "Please select the image that is showing a Mountain" and there is a Bugs Bunny/Waterfall/Cat/Skelleton |
| 11:45.17 | nevcairiel | waterfall then |
| 11:45.21 | Matrix110 | nope :D |
| 11:45.30 | Matrix110 | you have selected the wrong image |
| 11:45.35 | JoshBorke | huh, i'm already patching |
| 11:46.11 | cladhaire | i'm patching my us client |
| 11:46.12 | cladhaire | in theory |
| 11:46.14 | cladhaire | shit |
| 11:46.19 | cladhaire | 350 items in my rss reader |
| 11:46.20 | cladhaire | dizzam |
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| 11:46.46 | Antiarc | cladhaire: Updated Omen to fix that folder nesting issue. |
| 11:47.18 | batrick | curse is up for me |
| 11:47.58 | cladhaire | i have to say |
| 11:48.01 | cladhaire | this is pretty awesome http://www.curse.com/images/details/120262/ |
| 11:48.14 | Antiarc | I know Kaelten was working on bringing another 10+ servers online today, so I suspect something tripped up there ;) |
| 11:48.19 | cladhaire | so excited about that trip! |
| 11:48.20 | nevcairiel | yeah that map rocks |
| 11:48.28 | Antiarc | o.0 |
| 11:48.30 | Antiarc | Wow, that rules. |
| 11:48.40 | Matrix110 | :D |
| 11:49.30 | batrick | notre dame is a lot smaller than I thought it would be |
| 11:49.40 | batrick | damn disney movies raise your expectations |
| 11:49.57 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:50.13 | Antiarc | Oh, wow |
| 11:50.41 | Antiarc | They put a memoriam to Gary Gygax into the patch notes |
| 11:50.45 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.53 | nevcairiel | yay for blizz |
| 11:51.02 | nevcairiel | dont add anti-skill |
| 11:51.05 | nevcairiel | l2p |
| 11:51.11 | Antiarc | I think the only one it wasn't reverted for was Avenger's Shield |
| 11:51.24 | Antiarc | Which makes sense as it really cripples a paladin's ability to pull with CC around |
| 11:51.32 | Antiarc | And it's not like paladins use it for phat DPS |
| 11:51.50 | sag_ich_nicht | meh, i hope they left cleave and swipe alone too |
| 11:51.55 | sag_ich_nicht | at least felguard cleave |
| 11:52.10 | nevcairiel | nah thats gone already |
| 11:52.18 | sag_ich_nicht | sigh |
| 11:52.21 | sag_ich_nicht | morons |
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| 11:53.51 | Legorol | morning |
| 11:54.09 | Legorol | i am a bit confused.. has US received 2.4 today? |
| 11:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie peoples, I've downloaded my patch and a few addons before the crush, now I have to like, go to work or something. |
| 11:54.13 | cladhaire | Legorol: yes |
| 11:54.24 | nevcairiel | Legorol: yes |
| 11:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Legorol, I am 2.4 compliant in the US. |
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| 11:54.34 | Legorol | i can't see any mention of it on forums, on www.worldofwarcraft.com etc. |
| 11:54.39 | Legorol | cladhaire: thanks |
| 11:54.58 | Legorol | then Blizzard threw a curveball :0 |
| 11:54.59 | Legorol | :) |
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| 11:55.00 | cladhaire | you thought eu was getting patched before us cause of the launcher message? :P |
| 11:55.11 | Legorol | well... i was a bit more confused than that |
| 11:55.34 | Legorol | i thought maybe they put the wrong message up.. because there is no blue post, no news post, and i haven't heard US getting 2.4 |
| 11:55.54 | Matrix110 | It was because of Eastern they prolly had holiday @mondays or messed up putting up a message/forum post |
| 11:55.57 | Legorol | and it's not even a launcher message |
| 11:56.06 | Legorol | it's just a login screen message |
| 11:56.09 | sag_ich_nicht | QQ it's out so stfu |
| 11:56.18 | Legorol | lol sag |
| 11:56.23 | cladhaire | troll harder! |
| 11:56.29 | Legorol | i don't mind either way, it was just very sudden :) |
| 11:56.53 | Legorol | and that means i have to upload addon |
| 11:56.55 | Legorol | weee |
| 11:57.09 | JoshBorke | do it now! |
| 11:57.13 | JoshBorke | before everyone wakes up |
| 11:57.22 | cladhaire | srsly |
| 11:57.24 | cladhaire | yay for GMT |
| 11:57.59 | JoshBorke | nevcairielly: you finish that mod? |
| 11:58.14 | JoshBorke | nevcairielly: the one that changes the combat filter? |
| 12:00.42 | sag_ich_nicht | soooo |
| 12:00.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i can't find the bluepost anymore |
| 12:00.56 | [Ammo] | JoshBorke: it's on wowace trunk now, so yeah :p |
| 12:01.08 | sag_ich_nicht | so: how do i set the new combatlog to ulra compressed mode? :> |
| 12:01.54 | sag_ich_nicht | *ultra |
| 12:02.50 | Matrix110 | omg |
| 12:02.56 | Matrix110 | AucAdv not displaying copper anymore |
| 12:03.04 | sag_ich_nicht | mg |
| 12:03.05 | Matrix110 | i almost bought Fel Lotus thinking its so cheap for 58g |
| 12:03.06 | Matrix110 | :D |
| 12:03.07 | sag_ich_nicht | *omg |
| 12:03.14 | cladhaire | Matrix110: lol |
| 12:12.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i am lazy, anyone willing to help me rewrite this for 2.4: http://pastey.net/84343 |
| 12:12.53 | nevcairiel | if you start a request like that with "i am lazy" i wouldnt expect a answer :P |
| 12:13.07 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel i'm honest |
| 12:13.12 | sag_ich_nicht | so what? |
| 12:13.14 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 12:13.15 | batrick | so was nevcairiel :) |
| 12:13.17 | sag_ich_nicht | you got a problem with honesty punk |
| 12:13.24 | batrick | yes |
| 12:13.25 | schnoggo | mac patch = 262 MB... nice :) |
| 12:13.33 | batrick | but we don't have a problem with feigned stupidity |
| 12:13.47 | sag_ich_nicht | oh i'm also stupid |
| 12:13.53 | sag_ich_nicht | there's no doubt about that |
| 12:13.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ~emulate sag_ich_nicht |
| 12:13.58 | purl | because i am retarded |
| 12:14.02 | sag_ich_nicht | see? |
| 12:14.06 | batrick | haha |
| 12:14.44 | sag_ich_nicht | okay events didn't change, no need to change anything, fu nevcairiel :P |
| 12:16.47 | batrick | sag_ich_nicht: your indentation is screwy |
| 12:16.53 | batrick | particularly line 39 |
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| 12:18.41 | foxlit | Is that copyright notice actually longer than the code itself? |
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| 12:20.24 | batrick | 14* * Females must provide current naked pictures of themself to sag_ich_nicht |
| 12:20.27 | batrick | 15 before using this software in any form. |
| 12:20.29 | batrick | lmfao |
| 12:20.41 | foxlit | Hilarious but unenforsable! |
| 12:20.53 | foxlit | oh god, the spilleng! it does nothink! |
| 12:21.08 | nevcairiel | i still think that licenses that attribute to some virtual nickname are nil and void anyway |
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| 12:21.47 | foxlit | Legally change your name to sag_ich_nicht, np |
| 12:21.57 | foxlit | Though I don't think underscores are legal :( |
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| 12:23.16 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i will test that theory in court |
| 12:23.33 | sag_ich_nicht | [13:16] <batrick> sag_ich_nicht: your indentation is screwy <--no it isn't, pastey.net is just retarded |
| 12:23.50 | batrick | no u r |
| 12:23.54 | foxlit | Chances are you mix tabs and spaces |
| 12:24.01 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 12:24.12 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.16 | sag_ich_nicht | hold on lemme reup it geez |
| 12:24.21 | sag_ich_nicht | gtfo vim user |
| 12:24.22 | batrick | no one cares that much |
| 12:24.32 | batrick | vim is > * |
| 12:24.48 | sag_ich_nicht | emacs > you |
| 12:25.01 | foxlit | I feel like that rabbit who comments "pico" at the "vi vs emacs" debate |
| 12:25.04 | batrick | not according to wowi.pastey.net |
| 12:26.26 | foxlit | http://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=93 |
| 12:26.31 | foxlit | Turns out it's a cat |
| 12:27.42 | foxlit | [random plug: it's a pretty good strip, though it concluded a few years ago] |
| 12:28.11 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/84347 now stfu |
| 12:28.38 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder |
| 12:28.52 | foxlit | Do you ever end up in situations where you land below the notification threshold |
| 12:29.01 | foxlit | Only to get the next regen tick and resume above it? |
| 12:29.07 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 12:29.14 | foxlit | Then have your spell finish casting and have the notification repeat? |
| 12:29.24 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 12:29.31 | sag_ich_nicht | retribution paladin, only instants. |
| 12:29.47 | foxlit | Okay, rephrase |
| 12:29.55 | foxlit | Then cast another spell only to have the notification repeat? |
| 12:30.13 | sag_ich_nicht | yes, but i cba to write a throttling code for it |
| 12:30.20 | sag_ich_nicht | it doesn't happen that often |
| 12:30.26 | foxlit | Okay, here's what we'll say |
| 12:30.41 | foxlit | local ph_fuckyou = 0; |
| 12:30.48 | sag_ich_nicht | look, send me a patch, okay? |
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| 12:32.37 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/84348 |
| 12:32.37 | sag_ich_nicht | it's simple binary logic and i like it that way, Parrot auto-throttles notification spam anyway and in case it happens anyway, it doesn't bother me at all and in fact is a nice reminder of how the game mechanics work. HOWEVER, if you think you can do better i'm happy to accept patches and try out if it works better for me :P |
| 12:32.47 | sag_ich_nicht | click |
| 12:33.51 | sag_ich_nicht | throttling based on the potion CD? yeah i thought about that. |
| 12:34.13 | foxlit | Well... if you wanted to be fancy, you could get the actual potion CD |
| 12:34.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i like how you renamed the variable. |
| 12:34.26 | foxlit | This is more of a "I'm offended at you not listening to me" strategy |
| 12:34.58 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah see that's a problem, i occasionally don't do that on trash |
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| 12:35.34 | sag_ich_nicht | also if i wanted to be fancy i'd have piped the output thru LibSink |
| 12:35.57 | sag_ich_nicht | but i looked at the documentation of it, then decided i'm too lazy to use it |
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| 13:02.54 | Wobin | Dman you foxlit |
| 13:03.02 | Wobin | damn you and your webcomics |
| 13:04.07 | Krung | vgcats? |
| 13:06.08 | Wobin | www.hackles.org |
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| 13:12.11 | Wobin | oh god |
| 13:12.18 | Wobin | I'm only in July 2002 |
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| 13:22.49 | cladhaire | can someone ping me when us servers come up? |
| 13:23.06 | nevcairiel | will be like what, 6 more hours? |
| 13:23.14 | Pac | if im up coz im in australia |
| 13:24.04 | Antiarc | I'm going to bed. |
| 13:24.11 | Antiarc | Hope I don't wake up to a firestorm :P |
| 13:24.11 | cladhaire | night Antiarc i |
| 13:24.23 | Pac | nite |
| 13:25.25 | nevcairiel | good that US beta tests the addons before EU gets them |
| 13:25.26 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:25.45 | Kalroth | Indeed :) |
| 13:25.58 | Pac | yer that sucks |
| 13:26.12 | Pac | yer me tho |
| 13:26.34 | deltron | :P |
| 13:26.37 | sag_ich_nicht | gets exact coords for Adyen the Lightwarden |
| 13:26.41 | deltron | not that funny! :( |
| 13:26.51 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 13:26.54 | sag_ich_nicht | he stays at the same position |
| 13:26.56 | sag_ich_nicht | excellent |
| 13:27.02 | sag_ich_nicht | i'll log in front of him on server shitdown |
| 13:27.05 | sag_ich_nicht | *shutdown |
| 13:27.09 | deltron | lulz |
| 13:27.13 | sag_ich_nicht | wow that was one hell of a typo |
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| 13:27.28 | cladhaire | lolo |
| 13:28.06 | foxlit | Wobin: I won a Game :) |
| 13:29.39 | sag_ich_nicht | foxlit: you might have one A game, but just lost THE game |
| 13:29.48 | sag_ich_nicht | *won |
| 13:29.50 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
| 13:30.01 | foxlit | I think the focus here is that you lost The Game |
| 13:30.21 | Antiarc | Oh man. |
| 13:30.28 | Antiarc | wowui staff = pro |
| 13:30.38 | foxlit | is a robotic monk, holding multiple contradictory beliefs at the same time = easy |
| 13:30.40 | Antiarc | (also, I lied, I didn't go to bed yet) |
| 13:31.48 | Wobin | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/115884.html |
| 13:31.56 | Wobin | and the sequel http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/193489.html |
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| 13:32.03 | Josh_Borke | ~lart wobin |
| 13:32.03 | purl | overclocks wobin until wobin burns out |
| 13:32.06 | Wobin | I'm quite impressed, very well done |
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| 13:32.52 | Antiarc | Heh, he edited it. |
| 13:33.30 | Wobin | what's that? |
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| 13:33.50 | foxlit | qqlinks! |
| 13:34.24 | Antiarc | One of the wowui admins posted on the wow forums in reply to a "wowui gives you keyloggers" post basically saying "you're lying, and you should be avoiding wowinterface because they're owned by nasty gold farmers"...two seconds after a very civil exchange between Rush and Cairenn. |
| 13:34.33 | Antiarc | He removed the wowi jab, though |
| 13:34.46 | Josh_Borke | they should keep their stories straight |
| 13:34.50 | nevcairiel | wowui just needs to shut down |
| 13:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh for the love ot cats. Burn it. |
| 13:35.18 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5539774079&sid=1 is the thread though |
| 13:35.25 | Krung | drama |
| 13:35.33 | Legorol | aren't the forums enough for this stuff? |
| 13:36.39 | nevcairiel | its funny how crazy people defend wowui like their life depends on it, its a fact that wowui had the most keylogger problems |
| 13:36.57 | nevcairiel | and you lose alot of credibility if you try to wash that away :P |
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| 13:37.23 | Lopeppeppy | The more it hurts, the more you defend yourself... animal instinct. *offers drama-mine all around* |
| 13:37.26 | Josh_Borke | pretty sure you're just preaching to the choir nevcairiel |
| 13:37.32 | foxlit | wonders of wowui has any redeeming features |
| 13:37.41 | Josh_Borke | s/of/if/ |
| 13:37.58 | foxlit | There must be _some_ reason anyone would choose to publish things there |
| 13:38.07 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 13:38.13 | Antiarc | foxlit: I'm a firm believer in the idea that the, uh, lower eschelons of any given community serve a valuable purpose: They provide perspective for the valuable members :P |
| 13:38.14 | nevcairiel | i dont even like curse for their crazy page |
| 13:38.23 | foxlit | Curse wins on functionality, unfortunately |
| 13:38.47 | foxlit | Their portal tendencies notwithstanding |
| 13:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | orly, foxlit? I can't find a bloody thing there.... |
| 13:39.01 | Antiarc | Curse does a decent job, and they have mindshare, so it makes sense to publish there. |
| 13:39.06 | Antiarc | wowui though. uhh. |
| 13:39.39 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: I'm mostly on about addon author functionality, rather than indexing. |
| 13:39.39 | nevcairiel | i need to re-check the curse license thing before i re-upload my mods .. for some reason some script deleted my project of curse =P |
| 13:40.07 | foxlit | Tickets, beta version flags, and so on |
| 13:40.30 | Wobin | mindshare? |
| 13:40.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... I'm sure it could be a good author site, but if it gives no love to someone trying to *find* your work, why would you put your work there? It's like sending it into a black hole, where only the physicists can dare tred.... |
| 13:40.41 | Antiarc | I'm rather happy with Curse's TOU as-stands now. IIRC, it was changed to "you grant us a license to distribute this, which is revoked when you pull your project, and it is distributed under the terms you license your project under" |
| 13:40.41 | foxlit | On the other hand, wowi doesn't molest my screenshots. |
| 13:40.55 | Wobin | rubs his hands all over foxlit's screen |
| 13:41.10 | Antiarc | Screenshots? Pfah! Who needs screenshots? |
| 13:41.15 | Wobin | Antiarc: That's reasonable now =) |
| 13:41.38 | nevcairiel | i pulled my files when curse had the crazy license, then some automated script deleted my files |
| 13:41.41 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: I'm not to sure |
| 13:41.43 | nevcairiel | er my project |
| 13:41.46 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 13:42.13 | foxlit | Have higher download numbers on curse for entirely unpromoted projects released to both simultaneously. |
| 13:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | is not a physicist and doesn't even play one on tv. |
| 13:42.41 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't gone near there since their ill-starred "force browser version" days. |
| 13:43.01 | foxlit | Hrm, by a factor of 6 :/ |
| 13:43.27 | foxlit | Anyway, I suspect I actually win people on spoken word |
| 13:43.36 | foxlit | So people finding the addon isn't that much of an issue |
| 13:44.43 | foxlit | "Players will now be able to inspect other players via their chat link." while in inspect range? |
| 13:44.56 | Krung | i can never find the addon i want at curse |
| 13:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | I can never find an addon that I *want* at curse. |
| 13:46.42 | Antiarc | Lopeppeppy: QuestHelper is pretty damn uber |
| 13:46.48 | Antiarc | But I dunno if it's available elsewhere too |
| 13:47.50 | Lopeppeppy | Does QuestHelper do anything that Lightheaded and nQuestLog don't? |
| 13:47.58 | cladhaire | yes |
| 13:48.16 | Antiarc | QuestHelper is like every other quest aid addon rolled together on crack |
| 13:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | Crack can be good. |
| 13:48.23 | Antiarc | it's...impressive, to say the least. |
| 13:48.40 | Wobin | Does QuestHelper do everything that Lightheaded and nQuestLog don't? |
| 13:48.41 | Antiarc | It chews CPU like nobody's business, but given what it does, I don't blame it. |
| 13:48.56 | nevcairiel | what does it do, then? |
| 13:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | I see it on Curse and wowui. So I would never download it. |
| 13:49.32 | Antiarc | Quest breakdowns, mapping of the most efficient routes through quests and your party's quests, all sorts of stuff. |
| 13:49.48 | Josh_Borke | why do that when you can just use tourguide? |
| 13:49.58 | Antiarc | It's also pretty as hell :P |
| 13:50.20 | Josh_Borke | everyone knows that pretty things are just devils in disguise |
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| 13:50.39 | Krung | yea it really is. the new version i think aggregrates (is that the word i want?) data, so if you do it later on another char it adds stuff in from previous (like if a mob area is larger than it was oringially programmed) |
| 13:50.56 | Antiarc | Point being: It's the first mod in a very long time that made my jaw drop, and which I found myself exclaiming "wow!" at. |
| 13:51.10 | Antiarc | It impressed the hell outta me. |
| 13:51.37 | Josh_Borke | Antiarc: well, so? |
| 13:51.42 | Josh_Borke | let, me try that again |
| 13:51.46 | Josh_Borke | needs more dramatic pause |
| 13:51.48 | Antiarc | Just giving an example :P |
| 13:51.52 | Josh_Borke | Antiarc: wel.......................................................................................so? |
| 13:51.59 | Josh_Borke | blast, i missed an l |
| 13:52.00 | Antiarc | SCREW YOU ALL, I"M GOING TO BED |
| 13:52.01 | Antiarc | :P |
| 13:52.07 | Josh_Borke | nn, sweet dreams |
| 13:52.10 | Josh_Borke | hope the bed bugs bite |
| 13:52.12 | Antiarc | Josh_Borke: If you stack some of those dots on top of each other, it makes an l |
| 13:52.22 | Antiarc | So you just sorta time-shifted pieces of the last l |
| 13:52.33 | Josh_Borke | Antiarc: wel/__........................................so? |
| 13:52.37 | Josh_Borke | the last l fell over |
| 13:52.42 | Antiarc | Hahah |
| 13:52.52 | Antiarc | _\|/_ |
| 13:53.16 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 13:53.46 | Antiarc | Sweet! My first "HALP IT NOT WORK ON 2.3" post! |
| 13:54.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:54.17 | nevcairiel | hm curse page died again |
| 13:54.27 | nevcairiel | they really need to slim their page down |
| 13:54.47 | Wobin | "Reavers are space-zombies, while the crew of Serenity are space-cowboy-pirates. Except for River, who is a space-pirate-ninja." |
| 13:54.49 | Wobin | It's so TRUE |
| 13:54.55 | Antiarc | Hahahah |
| 13:54.57 | Antiarc | Nice. |
| 13:55.11 | Antiarc | I play a rogue in a pirate guild. |
| 13:55.14 | Antiarc | I'm a pirate ninja. |
| 13:55.23 | Antiarc | If Draenei could be rogues I'd be a space pirate ninja. |
| 13:55.31 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 13:56.01 | Antiarc | Though really, draenei would be more like space pirate sumo wrestlers. |
| 13:56.07 | Antiarc | THUNK THONK THUNK THONK BACKSTAB |
| 13:56.23 | nevcairiel | get a female |
| 13:56.28 | Antiarc | Well, right. |
| 13:56.49 | nevcairiel | male draenei are just hyppos |
| 13:57.03 | Antiarc | (that's actually why I rolled female human as my rogue - male humans are about as stealthy as a crippled giraffe doused in glitter) |
| 13:57.05 | Lopeppeppy | Get a female is good advice no matter what. |
| 13:57.33 | Wobin | I still want a tauren rogue |
| 13:57.37 | Wobin | SNEAK SNEAK SNEAK SNEAK |
| 13:57.59 | Wobin | paints his hooves red so he can stealth upside down in the strawberry patch |
| 13:58.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:59.26 | sacarasc | heh |
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| 14:36.33 | zenzelezz | "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Pt. 1 (Lord of the Rings 1) " -- there was a Lord of the Rings 2? |
| 14:39.11 | Lopeppeppy | There yet may be. *wink* |
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| 14:41.24 | zenzelezz | no |
| 14:41.33 | zenzelezz | one does not mess with Tolkien or his works |
| 14:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | Unless you're his son mucking about trying to make even more oodles of cash |
| 14:43.19 | p30n | cashoodle |
| 14:43.20 | zenzelezz | no |
| 14:43.29 | zenzelezz | you especially don't mess with your ancestor's works |
| 14:43.36 | zenzelezz | whether you're a Tolkien or a Herbert |
| 14:43.55 | Lopeppeppy | Too late. |
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| 14:43.58 | Lopeppeppy | On both counts |
| 14:44.38 | zenzelezz | I know... but some day I'll get back at them for their wrongdoings |
| 14:45.47 | Wobin | Or a Rice? =) |
| 14:46.11 | Wobin | Although I suspect being Anne Rice's son is punishment enough |
| 14:46.20 | zenzelezz | I'm afraid I don't know who ANne Rice is |
| 14:46.29 | Wobin | This is a good thing |
| 14:46.45 | Wobin | She's an author of ostensibly 'Vampire' books |
| 14:46.54 | Wobin | when in reality she's output a whole lot of drek |
| 14:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | She does excellent emo and wonderful setting description, but her lore sucks. |
| 14:47.05 | Wobin | You know the movie Interview with a Vampire? |
| 14:47.18 | Wobin | With Tom "Before I went wacko" Cruise in it? |
| 14:47.22 | Lopeppeppy | covers her ears |
| 14:47.26 | zenzelezz | not really... heard the name, but that's it |
| 14:47.29 | ralfWORK | omg is 2.4 out today? |
| 14:47.38 | Wobin | Ah, she wrote the book the movie was made from |
| 14:47.40 | Wobin | Anyway |
| 14:47.47 | Wobin | Her son is also an author |
| 14:47.58 | Wobin | But he clearly has not learned anything about writing from his mother |
| 14:48.13 | Wobin | Which in a lot of the cases, is possibly a good thing =P |
| 14:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | ralfWORK, yes. |
| 14:50.57 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 14:53.08 | zenzelezz | are the final patch notes up anywhere yet? |
| 14:53.18 | ralfWORK | looking at mmo-champion.com |
| 14:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | Or are they are /patchnotes on the Blizz site? |
| 14:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | Or just in your WoW folder on your computer? |
| 14:54.43 | zenzelezz | I'm EU, so I wouldn't expect them on my machine yet |
| 14:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | ZOMG must surf! :) |
| 14:55.58 | zenzelezz | Cairenn is usually pretty fast in copying them, but so far I don't see them |
| 14:57.35 | ralfWORK | so, I wonder if rep is needed for the profession items |
| 14:57.43 | ralfWORK | from Shattered Sun Offensive |
| 14:57.57 | p30n | ralfWORK: what prof. items ? |
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| 14:58.13 | ralfWORK | p30n: enchanting/tailoring is what I'm looking at |
| 14:58.21 | p30n | and yes, i wonder, what is needed to get the badge vendor to spawn ? is it only SSO rep and if it is, how much? |
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| 14:58.37 | ralfWORK | I think the badge vendor spawns during one of the opening phases |
| 14:58.39 | ralfWORK | but idk |
| 14:58.42 | p30n | ralfWORK: ok, the buyable plans ? |
| 14:58.47 | ralfWORK | p30n: correct |
| 14:59.03 | p30n | ralfWORK: and the opening phases were gonne open simultaneously on all servers or how was it? |
| 14:59.13 | p30n | they skipped the essence of immortals turn-in afaik |
| 14:59.16 | ralfWORK | p30n: that's how I understand it, yes |
| 14:59.29 | p30n | ok, any info on how long time the phases will have? |
| 14:59.37 | ralfWORK | idk |
| 14:59.42 | p30n | 1 opening / week would be imbah |
| 14:59.56 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn is asleeping, most likely. |
| 15:00.02 | p30n | i already got badges for my 2 mains mainhands :) |
| 15:00.09 | ralfWORK | wewt |
| 15:00.14 | ralfWORK | I have 244 badges as of last night |
| 15:00.18 | ralfWORK | I'm ready for the weapon |
| 15:00.19 | p30n | nice |
| 15:00.21 | ralfWORK | and idk what else |
| 15:00.31 | p30n | i got 178 on my pala and 166 on my lock |
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| 15:00.40 | p30n | the weapon and maybe a ring |
| 15:00.58 | p30n | and maybe some healing palte gloves if i dont get em from leo tonite |
| 15:02.27 | p30n | its 5 o'clock somewhere in the world |
| 15:02.29 | p30n | look it up |
| 15:02.37 | p30n | cuz im going home now :) |
| 15:02.40 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 15:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | *wave* |
| 15:02.43 | ralfWORK | later :) |
| 15:02.47 | p30n | c ya |
| 15:02.49 | p30n | afk |
| 15:04.29 | ralfWORK | mmkay, need honored for the shard recipe |
| 15:05.53 | ralfWORK | looks like P2 is when you can turn in badges |
| 15:08.33 | ralfWORK | hmm, 2.4 notes aren't out on blizzard yet |
| 15:09.32 | ralfWORK | guess that's normal though, eh? |
| 15:09.49 | deltron | yeah |
| 15:09.50 | deltron | takes a while |
| 15:10.18 | ralfWORK | they put them up when they turn the servers back on? |
| 15:10.33 | |Pixel| | "game" and "web" are different teams |
| 15:10.48 | ralfWORK | sure, I kinda assumed that |
| 15:10.51 | |Pixel| | they hardly would synchronized |
| 15:10.51 | Lopeppeppy | Likely something like that however, to make sure they DO go live. |
| 15:10.59 | ralfWORK | also kind of assumed that they would coordinate |
| 15:11.10 | |Pixel| | no |
| 15:11.12 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: ahh makes sense |
| 15:11.19 | zenzelezz | people usually start putting the notes on the web (unofficially) when they're patching |
| 15:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | I sure wouldn't put up patch notes until servers were online with a final version, that's just me. Who knows how they roll in CA? |
| 15:11.36 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: yea, in case it blows up or something |
| 15:11.38 | ralfWORK | good point |
| 15:12.10 | ralfWORK | so I need to do a damage-to-badge-cost analysis |
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| 15:16.20 | ralfWORK | mmm... I'm gonna get +102 spell damage just by upgrading weapon |
| 15:16.24 | ralfWORK | cackles madle |
| 15:16.53 | p30n | i R at home |
| 15:16.57 | p30n | epic win |
| 15:17.05 | ralfWORK | fast |
| 15:17.28 | p30n | yea, its close |
| 15:18.33 | cog|work | cladhaire: clad|office: Seerah: Cairenn|afk: topic needs some 2.4 love :) |
| 15:19.05 | zenzelezz | (and patch notes link when you can get your hands on them) |
| 15:19.07 | p30n | the servers are up until tonite in EU :/ |
| 15:19.18 | p30n | for another 12h that is |
| 15:19.27 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by cladhaire -> http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | Esamynn remains undefated |
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| 15:22.44 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/25/funny-pictures-not-as-cool-as-i-espected/ |
| 15:23.42 | Erica | that cat is huge |
| 15:25.35 | Erica | thinking about going back to bed.... things are awfully quiet for a patch day |
| 15:29.18 | zenzelezz | of course it's quiet |
| 15:29.30 | zenzelezz | US is still asleep, their servers aren't up, and EU couldn't care until tomorrow |
| 15:30.44 | deltron | i'm awake! |
| 15:30.50 | ZealotOnAStick | We're not asleep. |
| 15:30.54 | ZealotOnAStick | Our servers are just down. |
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| 15:37.43 | zenzelezz | the flaor text on these rock: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32761 |
| 15:37.47 | zenzelezz | *flavor |
| 15:37.51 | Lopeppeppy | US is totally awake, zenzelezz! It's bloody noon. |
| 15:37.53 | p30n | hehe |
| 15:38.07 | Seerah | 10:37 here, peppy :P |
| 15:38.13 | ralfWORK | AHAHAHAH nice zenzelezz |
| 15:38.51 | p30n | 17:38 <@Seerah> 10:37 here |
| 15:39.10 | p30n | :( 12h until we have ext. maintenance over |
| 15:39.14 | p30n | i reckon |
| 15:47.34 | DBE-Kinj | When is maintence supposed to be over today? |
| 15:48.01 | nevcairiel | 11 like always |
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| 15:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | I thought it was listed as extended maintenance? Or did they just start early? |
| 15:50.02 | nevcairiel | 3 to 11 |
| 15:50.03 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 15:50.22 | deltron | yep |
| 15:51.18 | Legorol | extended maintenance has always been 3-11 |
| 15:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 15:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They still have the area checkbox as "Development" |
| 15:51.59 | dylanm | ScytheBlade1: Saw that... |
| 15:52.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That is good times, lol |
| 15:53.01 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: i'm lost, enlighten me.. |
| 15:56.27 | cladhaire | TomTom updated to include Crazy-Taxi arrow and other goodies: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7032-TomTom.html |
| 15:56.35 | Industrial | ZOMG |
| 15:56.49 | Industrial | hugs cladhaire |
| 15:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: on the US client at least, if you login, you used to have two checkboxes for region. Now, you no longer do: it simply lists "Development" |
| 15:57.56 | Legorol | ah |
| 15:58.05 | Legorol | so you don't have checkboxes like eastern, central etc.? |
| 15:58.18 | Legorol | or are those just tabs on the realmlist screen |
| 15:58.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It used to be something which meant north america, and oceanic |
| 15:58.30 | Legorol | right |
| 15:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Now we just have development, and the Oceanic tab has... disappeared |
| 15:58.38 | Legorol | in EU we properly have PvE, PvP, RP, RP-PvP |
| 15:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ... above those checkboxes :) |
| 15:59.16 | Legorol | ok i'm confused, are we talking about the first screen that pops up after you log in, if you haven't selected a realm yet, |
| 15:59.21 | Legorol | or are we talking about the realm selection screen |
| 15:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Well both |
| 15:59.36 | Legorol | or are you referring to the actual login screen with username/password fields |
| 15:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | The one with the PvE, PvP, etc. changed |
| 15:59.49 | Legorol | aha |
| 15:59.52 | ScytheBlade1 | As did the realm selection screen, with the tabs at the bottom |
| 15:59.59 | Legorol | funny |
| 16:00.07 | Legorol | someone will have an "oops" over that |
| 16:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell, the Oceanic servers disappeared all together |
| 16:00.45 | Legorol | they will be happy ... |
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| 16:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't remember which server IS an oceanic though |
| 16:01.19 | Legorol | you think they merged the lists? |
| 16:01.22 | zenzelezz | there's no Oceanic tab anymore? |
| 16:01.31 | Legorol | it'd been funnier if they nuked the oceanic realms from the realm selection |
| 16:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: no, no more oceanic tab or region selection |
| 16:02.34 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: in EU, pre-2.4, the first-time selection screen has a language category (English, French, German, Spanish) and a realm style category (Normal, PvP etc.) |
| 16:02.44 | Legorol | the realmlist screen has four tabs for the four languages |
| 16:02.51 | Legorol | we'll find out what tomorrow brings |
| 16:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 16:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | We don't have a language selection, rather, a region selection :) |
| 16:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 16:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | "had" haha |
| 16:04.32 | Legorol | it's the same thing though |
| 16:04.38 | Legorol | it's tab-selection, whatever you call it |
| 16:04.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And I really have to hand it to Blizzard... the background downloaded was awesome this round |
| 16:04.58 | Legorol | is the Normal, PvP etc. selection still available on the US client? |
| 16:05.00 | deltron | this morning I got a "development" tab lol |
| 16:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Only had 10MB to download today :) |
| 16:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes @ Legorol |
| 16:07.12 | deltron | http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot032508064546br1.jpg |
| 16:07.33 | Legorol | zomg this is serious business, we even got a screenshot now! |
| 16:07.41 | deltron | http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot032508064601ni1.jpg |
| 16:07.53 | deltron | serious business is my guild! |
| 16:07.57 | deltron | (srsly) |
| 16:08.08 | Legorol | so you can select developing countries as your location, cool |
| 16:08.33 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 16:08.45 | Legorol | i wonder if EU will be messed up too ^^ |
| 16:09.54 | Legorol | Choose your location: Europe, pretending to be Europe, actually i'm in North America, I bought the wrong box |
| 16:09.59 | Legorol | i think those choices would work |
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| 16:10.14 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 16:10.25 | AnduinLothar | oh sweet, marks => honor. how did I miss those int he notes |
| 16:10.43 | Legorol | they weren't in the notes initially |
| 16:10.44 | Legorol | late addition |
| 16:10.51 | AnduinLothar | ahh |
| 16:10.54 | AnduinLothar | cool |
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| 16:12.32 | zenzelezz | "Blizzard Entertainment would like to dedicate the patch in memory of Gary Gygax." -- nice |
| 16:12.44 | kd3 | sweet at the direct download actually doing something |
| 16:13.35 | Legorol | kd3, don't even get me started on that.. |
| 16:13.50 | Legorol | PTRs are a nightmare for me as i can't use p2p, i always have to use roundabout ways to get PTR patches |
| 16:14.05 | Legorol | feels his mouth starting to froth |
| 16:14.09 | AnduinLothar | zomg: The friends list now has a notes field per friend. Click on the note icon to add a note for a particular friend. |
| 16:14.34 | AnduinLothar | how did i miss that too! |
| 16:14.43 | Nom- | *impatiently waits for servers to come up* |
| 16:15.09 | ralfWORK | I can't wait for them to come up |
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| 16:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, hey. They reverted the CC change. |
| 16:15.18 | ralfWORK | and I'm not even going to be able to play for 5 or 6 more hours :( |
| 16:15.18 | Legorol | i prophecise that 5000 people per realm will converge on Sunwell Isle, and promptly crash Eastern Kingdoms server as they all try to do the same 3 quests |
| 16:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | happy |
| 16:15.31 | ralfWORK | Legorol: agreed! |
| 16:15.35 | Nom- | CC change ? |
| 16:15.52 | zenzelezz | Legorol: not unlike BC release day then =) |
| 16:15.53 | sacarasc | Legorol: it's on the outland server, though ;p |
| 16:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Multi-shot, etc. would NOT break CCs <-- change that was reverted |
| 16:16.01 | Nom- | Seriously? |
| 16:16.02 | Nom- | That sucks |
| 16:16.03 | Legorol | sacarasc: true, then that one will crash |
| 16:16.10 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: omg, really? |
| 16:16.12 | ralfWORK | ScytheBlade1: i.e. from 2.3 -> 2.4 there is no CC change |
| 16:16.14 | Legorol | that's awesome! |
| 16:16.15 | zenzelezz | yes, really |
| 16:16.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. I'm happy. Teaches the noobs to l2p. |
| 16:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ralfWORK: heh, yeah |
| 16:16.24 | ralfWORK | right, ok |
| 16:16.29 | Legorol | that means warrior tanking is back on equal footing as the rest |
| 16:16.31 | ralfWORK | that's what I thought, just wanted to be sure :D |
| 16:16.39 | zenzelezz | Legorol: how so? |
| 16:16.43 | ralfWORK | huh? |
| 16:16.43 | Legorol | that CC change made me a bit angry, it made it so other tanking classes had it easier |
| 16:16.50 | Legorol | zenzelezz: thunder clap still broke all CCs |
| 16:16.52 | Nom- | Ugh.. did they at least make it so it doesn't crit rats ? |
| 16:16.55 | Legorol | but say a bear's swipe didn't |
| 16:17.10 | Nom- | The number of times it's been hit, crit a rat for 4k, miss on my hold shield |
| 16:17.11 | Legorol | multimob tanking staid hard for warriors, but was made ezmode for other classes |
| 16:17.13 | Nom- | srsly |
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| 16:17.17 | Nom- | avenger's shield i mean |
| 16:17.26 | Legorol | yah that's the only thing they should've left in |
| 16:17.28 | Valaron|Work | "undefated"? |
| 16:17.30 | zenzelezz | I thought they said the CC changes were reverted so most abilities still break CC |
| 16:17.32 | Legorol | critters shouldn't be hit by spells like that |
| 16:17.36 | Legorol | zenzelezz: exactly |
| 16:17.44 | Legorol | sorry if i'm confusing |
| 16:17.47 | Legorol | what i tried to say is: |
| 16:17.49 | kd3 | oh wow, whoops |
| 16:17.55 | ralfWORK | I saw a critter get hit with avenger's shield the other day |
| 16:17.58 | kd3 | it's still trying to choose a realm in the devel region |
| 16:17.58 | zenzelezz | I don't see how warriors get it easier when TC breaks CC (if it still does) |
| 16:17.59 | ralfWORK | I laughed so hard |
| 16:18.01 | Nom- | Critters: Ambient level 1 creatures will no longer be picked as subsequent targets by chaining spells and abilities. |
| 16:18.06 | Nom- | oh good they left that much in |
| 16:18.07 | Legorol | zenzelezz: they don't |
| 16:18.13 | Legorol | ok rephrasing |
| 16:18.19 | Legorol | when i originally saw the CC changes, i thought: |
| 16:18.31 | zenzelezz | well that's what I'm trying to determine; *some* abilities still break CC according to a thread that was linked the other day |
| 16:18.36 | nevcairiel | i think avengers shield is the only spell that doesnt affect CC now, all other were reverted |
| 16:18.50 | Legorol | "warriors still have it hard, our best multi-mob tanking ability (TC) still breaks CC, |
| 16:18.57 | Legorol | but druids etc. have it easy now as their swipe doesn't" |
| 16:18.57 | Nom- | wait they didn't revert it completely |
| 16:18.59 | Nom- | Avenger.s Shield: This ability will no longer jump to secondary targets which are under the effect of crowd-control spells that break on taking damage. I.e. Polymorph, Sap, etc. |
| 16:19.12 | Nom- | But the patch note for Multi-shot is gone |
| 16:19.15 | Legorol | zenzelezz: we might be talking about two different points in time |
| 16:19.17 | nevcairiel | yeah only avenger got the effect |
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| 16:19.23 | nevcairiel | multishot/cleave etc were reverted |
| 16:19.24 | zenzelezz | Legorol: could be, yes |
| 16:19.32 | Legorol | the first version that came out on PTR had everything except TC preserve CC |
| 16:19.42 | Nom- | sweet, that's still pretty nice |
| 16:19.46 | zenzelezz | I'll just shut up and read http://www.worldofraids.com/burning_crusade/ptr-24/ptr-patch-notes/ |
| 16:19.52 | Nom- | makes it possible to use CC with a pally tank! |
| 16:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Because apparently there is mass confusion here, I present to you a Blue Post(TM): http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5463899193&sid=1#3 |
| 16:20.03 | Legorol | now the US folks are saying that in the actual live version has reverted that, so that most aoe-type abilities still break CC |
| 16:20.15 | Legorol | thanks ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 16:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And with that, I'm off to shower |
| 16:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | afk! |
| 16:20.23 | Nom- | Don't see how US folks could say that, Legorol |
| 16:20.28 | Nom- | Given the US realms are still down |
| 16:20.51 | zenzelezz | click the link ScytheBlade1 just posted Nom- |
| 16:21.33 | Nom- | For "most" |
| 16:21.42 | nevcairiel | all except avengers shield |
| 16:21.43 | Nom- | Avenger's Shield is still in the US patch notes |
| 16:21.50 | nevcairiel | i've been saying that all day but noone listens |
| 16:21.50 | Nom- | Yep, that's all I care about for nwo |
| 16:21.50 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:21.52 | Nom- | It makes it useful :) |
| 16:21.59 | Legorol | zenzelezz: so my point about warriors was that if the CC-non-breaking change had gone live, it'd have made warrior tanking (relatively speaking) harder than bear tanking |
| 16:22.14 | Legorol | because warrior tanking would've staid on the same difficulty, whereas bears would've gotten ezmode |
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| 16:23.02 | zenzelezz | Legorol: ah... you were talking in comparison >.< |
| 16:23.28 | Legorol | yes, i apologise for the confusing phrasement |
| 16:23.39 | Josh_Borke | as well you should! |
| 16:24.11 | Legorol | zenzelezz: so this would've emphasised the (already existing) gap between how hard it is to tank as a bear/paladin compared to a warrior |
| 16:24.33 | Legorol | (discalimer: i'm talking 5-mans here, not raids. warrior tanks own in raids) |
| 16:24.34 | zenzelezz | Legorol: nah, your statement was fine, I was just doing a few things at the same time and missed part of what you were saying |
| 16:25.17 | Legorol | having said that, i have a new, unique perspective on why there is tank shortage on many realms |
| 16:25.53 | Legorol | apart from the usual theories that I all agree with (there are fewer tanks needed in raids than in 5-mans, as a proportion of players, that geared tanks don't want to bother with pugs/instances etc.), here is an extra argument: |
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| 16:26.21 | Legorol | i don't know about US, but in Eu the tendency is to make the tank immediately group leader and have him/her do marking for crowd control |
| 16:26.44 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 16:26.45 | Legorol | whilst this is a good idea in principle, it has the undesired sideeffect that it immediately makes the tank not only a simple member of the group, but actually the strategist in the group |
| 16:26.49 | ralfWORK | that's how we usually do it |
| 16:27.08 | Legorol | it means the tank has to know the place better than anyone else, know patrols, know mob abilities etc. and make strategic decisions |
| 16:27.14 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 16:27.21 | Legorol | that's the part that people either suck at, hate doing, or both |
| 16:27.33 | ralfWORK | naw, my tank sucks no matter what |
| 16:27.35 | Legorol | that's what makes it harder in a group to be a tank |
| 16:27.41 | Legorol | in my opinion at least |
| 16:27.45 | ralfWORK | so if I mark for him, he always has some shit to say |
| 16:27.53 | Legorol | and the sad thing is, there is no particular reason why it'd have to be so |
| 16:27.55 | ralfWORK | if he marks it, I get to blame him for doing it wrong |
| 16:28.00 | Legorol | lol |
| 16:28.07 | ralfWORK | dunno man |
| 16:28.17 | ralfWORK | he's the Big Crowd Control |
| 16:28.29 | ralfWORK | so where a mage might sheep |
| 16:28.32 | Legorol | there have been many occasions where i'd have been prefectly fine going to an instance or pugging if only i didn't have to lead/mark |
| 16:28.33 | zenzelezz | <Legorol> it means the tank has to know the place better than anyone else <--- side track, but if I see a single person aggroing two groups on top of the stairs on the way to Teron again I'll go mental |
| 16:28.33 | ralfWORK | 1 mob |
| 16:28.42 | zenzelezz | so many times we've shouted "stay to the freaking left" |
| 16:28.52 | Legorol | just point me in the direction of the mobs and i'll tank them |
| 16:28.57 | zenzelezz | and they hug the right wall because "zomg must sheep" or "lose 2 seconds of DPS by waiting" |
| 16:29.21 | Legorol | zenzelezz: sadly i have never seen Teron, but your description suffices to convey the noobity of those involved |
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| 16:30.27 | Legorol | the thing is, i usually *like* leading and being the strategist in the group |
| 16:30.38 | Legorol | so i don't mind it, but i think it shouldn't always have to be like that |
| 16:30.45 | Legorol | it's a job that could be done by anyone else in the group |
| 16:30.53 | ralfWORK | but it's kinda self-fulfilling |
| 16:31.14 | Legorol | well sort of |
| 16:31.14 | Legorol | i also know that it makes pulling faster/easier if the puller is marking |
| 16:31.15 | ralfWORK | also, different tanks like to do things different ways |
| 16:31.17 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: recount needs an update |
| 16:31.21 | Legorol | and game mechanics dictate that in most situation it's the tank that pulls |
| 16:31.28 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: okay, I don't update addons |
| 16:31.34 | cladhaire | thanks for the info tho |
| 16:31.35 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: sorry, approval? |
| 16:31.38 | Legorol | ralfWORK: my point is that though, why does it matter how the tank likes to do it? |
| 16:31.39 | cladhaire | ah, |
| 16:31.41 | cladhaire | i can do that |
| 16:31.43 | Legorol | ultimately, it's just a strategic decision |
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| 16:31.50 | Legorol | let me give you a comparison: |
| 16:31.51 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: i hate you |
| 16:31.55 | cladhaire | already been done |
| 16:31.56 | ralfWORK | Legorol: oh. because tanks are usually meatheaded primadonas :) |
| 16:32.09 | Legorol | i like to sheep certain mobs, if i'm the marker, i expect the mage the sheep the one i marked and not make their own decision |
| 16:32.22 | Legorol | conversely, if someone else was marking and had the responsibility of making the decision, |
| 16:32.23 | zenzelezz | ralfWORK: they aren't by nature; they become so because groups treat them too kindly |
| 16:32.32 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: um.. i dont see recount on wowi... |
| 16:32.32 | Legorol | i would expect the warrior to tank the ones that he's been told to tank |
| 16:32.34 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: I guess. |
| 16:32.37 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: hm, nvm |
| 16:32.39 | dru_ | I like to sheep MC'd tanks :-) |
| 16:32.52 | dru_ | sheeping MC'd rogues is always good for a laff too |
| 16:32.57 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: my tanks kinda suck, mostly |
| 16:32.58 | Elsia | cladhaire: it's not on wowi but it's updated on wowace and curse |
| 16:33.08 | ralfWORK | so dunno what to say |
| 16:33.11 | cladhaire | okay, can someone post the URL for curse? |
| 16:33.12 | Legorol | there is a definite correlation between ego, power hunger, control freakishness, and being a tank :) |
| 16:33.16 | Elsia | sec |
| 16:33.27 | Elsia | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/10598 |
| 16:33.30 | ralfWORK | Legorol: the one I have in mind... not really |
| 16:33.35 | ralfWORK | he's actually really whiney |
| 16:33.42 | ralfWORK | esp. if he has to tank more than 1 thing |
| 16:33.47 | Legorol | >.< |
| 16:33.49 | ralfWORK | or do anything requiring skill |
| 16:33.57 | ralfWORK | yea. |
| 16:33.58 | Legorol | tanking more than 1 thing is an essential skill to learn |
| 16:34.04 | ralfWORK | you think? |
| 16:34.09 | Legorol | yeah |
| 16:34.16 | Legorol | another favourite of mine, where i see a lot of tanks go wrong: |
| 16:34.16 | ralfWORK | (that was sarcasm) |
| 16:34.23 | zenzelezz | and it goes along with the "don't spread your DPS across all targets" strategy, except for special cases |
| 16:34.27 | Legorol | no, it's NOT the skull that needs your most attention, it's the rest |
| 16:34.45 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 16:35.02 | ralfWORK | I don't really see why tanking multiple mobs would be difficult |
| 16:35.14 | ralfWORK | done it on my 55 warrior many times |
| 16:35.16 | Legorol | depends on your class and the presence of crowd control |
| 16:35.18 | ralfWORK | so long as DPS doesn't act an ass |
| 16:35.23 | ralfWORK | it's not a huge issue |
| 16:35.32 | Legorol | if there is a sheep around, i can't TC, it makes it harder |
| 16:35.33 | ralfWORK | now, maybe when it comes to raid-time, it's different |
| 16:35.36 | ralfWORK | but I doubt it |
| 16:35.47 | Legorol | it means i have to switch between mobs to hit them one at a time, making sure i skip the sheep |
| 16:35.54 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 16:36.00 | Legorol | it requires quick and accurate targeting of several mobs in sequence |
| 16:36.03 | Legorol | that takes skill |
| 16:36.08 | ralfWORK | I guess |
| 16:36.15 | ralfWORK | kind of like breathing takes "skill" |
| 16:36.21 | Legorol | that's why i demand mages to sheep early so i can just TC away :D |
| 16:36.29 | Legorol | ralfWORK: i disagree |
| 16:36.29 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 16:36.35 | zenzelezz | warriors have trouble tanking a lot of mobs becuase our only AoE-ish abilities are low-damage. It can be done, certainly, but it requires cooperation from your group in so far as they have to hit the right targets only |
| 16:36.53 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: I'm just talking about keeping over healing threat |
| 16:36.59 | ralfWORK | not even talking about tanking an AOE group |
| 16:37.00 | zenzelezz | dear god |
| 16:37.04 | ralfWORK | yea |
| 16:37.07 | zenzelezz | if you can't do that, you should change class |
| 16:37.20 | ralfWORK | yes. he has a warlock. he should play that |
| 16:37.46 | zenzelezz | "Players will now be able to inspect other players via their chat link." -- I missed this bit of news previously :-o |
| 16:37.56 | ralfWORK | ohhh I think I did too |
| 16:38.06 | dru_ | our primary Warrior MT is able to maintain more aggro on 2-3 mobs at once than our feral druid tanks |
| 16:38.31 | ralfWORK | dru_: so... he's not a mouth breather |
| 16:38.34 | art3mis | heh i love the priest updates |
| 16:38.36 | dru_ | and if it's an aggro dropping encounter, our pally tanks all struggle to regain aggro because of the mana burn |
| 16:38.49 | ralfWORK | art3mis: I'm looking forward to Fearward in shadow form |
| 16:38.54 | zenzelezz | depends on the encounter really |
| 16:38.57 | ralfWORK | other than that, I don't recall anything exciting |
| 16:38.59 | art3mis | buncha spells now get a benefit they're supposed to me, bunch of other spells no penalize properly |
| 16:39.06 | zenzelezz | for Void Reaver, we can pretty much sit back and let our paladin do the whole fight |
| 16:39.07 | foxlit | zenzelezz: I think that's just an added menu entry |
| 16:39.08 | art3mis | me/be |
| 16:39.12 | art3mis | now |
| 16:39.14 | dru_ | I've watched him, and it's basically tab / hit /tab /hit tab |
| 16:39.20 | ralfWORK | dru_: yep |
| 16:39.26 | ralfWORK | did a heroic bot with a tank |
| 16:39.29 | ralfWORK | no CC at all |
| 16:39.34 | ralfWORK | worked fine |
| 16:39.39 | ralfWORK | and those are some monster puls |
| 16:39.47 | AnduinLothar | i usually forgo cc when tanking heroics |
| 16:40.19 | AnduinLothar | I've even double pulled in KZ a couple times and lived through it |
| 16:40.25 | ralfWORK | hahh |
| 16:40.28 | ralfWORK | yea |
| 16:40.36 | zenzelezz | "Primal Nether are no longer Bind on Pickup!" -- I like how this one has an exclamation mark |
| 16:40.38 | ralfWORK | well things like ZA |
| 16:40.40 | AnduinLothar | er, not KZ, ZA |
| 16:40.43 | dru_ | most groups that have are running with folks geared in Kara+ gear do |
| 16:40.47 | AnduinLothar | KZ is cake |
| 16:40.50 | Legorol | had to afk so i missed part of this the chat, but |
| 16:41.04 | Legorol | good warrior tanks are very effective, but it's harder to be good than with bear/pali imo |
| 16:41.06 | ralfWORK | we usually run KZ with a prot pally |
| 16:41.18 | ralfWORK | he's handy on trash |
| 16:41.25 | Legorol | zenzelezz: lol |
| 16:41.29 | AnduinLothar | i hate being prot unless i'm raiding |
| 16:41.39 | dru_ | if you are talking about group with new 70's or undergeared tanks. |
| 16:42.02 | AnduinLothar | it's so useless. I've been known to lose the prisoner escort daily because i was prot spec and he got killed... |
| 16:42.10 | dru_ | we rand heroic Mech with 3 mages a lock and a holy priest the other night. |
| 16:42.34 | ralfWORK | I hope to never do heroic mech ever again |
| 16:42.39 | dru_ | didn't get the fire bich down, but cleared the rest :-) |
| 16:42.44 | Legorol | may i please remind folks that the difficulty of a particular instance/raid etc. is entirely relative to your gear |
| 16:42.50 | Legorol | KZ was a hard place when noone had epics |
| 16:42.51 | Josh_Borke | and skill level |
| 16:42.54 | dru_ | it's the easiest 5 badges inthe game |
| 16:42.59 | ralfWORK | I've helped 2 of our tanks get the stupid sword |
| 16:43.03 | foxlit | Skill level takes a back seat! |
| 16:43.04 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: skill only matters somewhat until you outgear the place |
| 16:43.18 | Legorol | skill level is a positive/negative adjustment factor to your gear level ;-) |
| 16:43.19 | zenzelezz | "Critters: Ambient level 1 creatures will no longer be picked as subsequent targets by chaining spells and abilities." <-- wasn't someone complaining about critters just 15 minutes ago? |
| 16:43.23 | ralfWORK | Legorol: no. I gotta disagree with you there |
| 16:43.23 | dru_ | up to point. |
| 16:43.32 | ralfWORK | gear is good, skill is better |
| 16:43.34 | dru_ | some fights, remain hard regardless of gear. |
| 16:43.39 | Legorol | ok let's put it this way: |
| 16:43.43 | dru_ | most I agree. |
| 16:43.46 | Legorol | skill always matters |
| 16:43.53 | foxlit | some fights, you can't do without the gear |
| 16:43.57 | ralfWORK | we had a prot warrior that still had a few blues on tanking Halazzi last night |
| 16:43.59 | Legorol | there are some fights which you can't do no matter your skill without the gear, and vice versa |
| 16:44.06 | ralfWORK | got him to 6% |
| 16:44.08 | Legorol | for most things, skill and gear is a little bit exchangable |
| 16:44.14 | Legorol | and a lot of things can be trivialised by outgearing them |
| 16:44.19 | dru_ | but the Vash fight is great example of a fight that requires skill and communication as much as it does gear |
| 16:44.30 | foxlit | What? |
| 16:44.34 | foxlit | Skill? Communication?! |
| 16:44.45 | nevcairiel | communication maybe |
| 16:44.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, weird concepts, I know. |
| 16:44.47 | foxlit | You stand there and dps things |
| 16:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, "macros" |
| 16:44.52 | Legorol | ralfWORK: halazzi is a pretty good check for your gear |
| 16:44.52 | nevcairiel | but skill |
| 16:44.58 | foxlit | You toss the core to anyone closer than you to the pylons |
| 16:45.01 | Legorol | doesn't require much skill, except a quick cleanser and awake dps |
| 16:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Most all of the Vashj fight can be trivialized by macros. |
| 16:45.09 | foxlit | Macros are bloody useless |
| 16:45.16 | ralfWORK | Legorol: we didn't have awake DPS |
| 16:45.19 | ralfWORK | I'm just saying |
| 16:45.20 | foxlit | If people can't detect they can't move and are debuffed |
| 16:45.23 | Shirik|zZz | s/macros/macro/ |
| 16:45.23 | foxlit | They shouldn't be raiding |
| 16:45.25 | ralfWORK | that's thought of as a gear check |
| 16:45.36 | foxlit | (and Vashj enrage timer = tight) |
| 16:45.37 | Shirik|zZz | agree |
| 16:45.38 | AnduinLothar | vashj sucks |
| 16:45.40 | ralfWORK | and I doubt that blues were what blizzard thought you'd be wearing for that |
| 16:45.41 | dru_ | foxlit, yeah, IE skill. |
| 16:45.46 | Shirik|zZz | if you can't figure out what to do |
| 16:45.50 | foxlit | So it's much more of a gear fight than it's any kind of "skill" |
| 16:45.51 | Shirik|zZz | or not know you have the core |
| 16:45.54 | Shirik|zZz | I'm just like "wtf" |
| 16:46.05 | Legorol | ralfWORK: i disagree, ZA animal bosses are doable with 10 people in half blue/half epic, if they are very good players |
| 16:46.12 | Legorol | probably beyond as well |
| 16:46.25 | nevcairiel | the hexlord is rather hard with blue-ish gear |
| 16:46.30 | dru_ | Legorol: I don't theink gear i nZA matters until the last two bosses |
| 16:46.39 | Legorol | dru_: i disagree a lot |
| 16:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ZA is a joke. |
| 16:46.45 | Legorol | nalorakk does require a certain amount of gear |
| 16:46.52 | Legorol | consider the silence effect from the bear |
| 16:46.59 | Legorol | the tank needs to survive possibly only on hots |
| 16:47.03 | Legorol | that's definitely a gear check |
| 16:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I run it with Kara geared people on my Kara geared resto druid, and we pulled 3/4 chests. |
| 16:47.17 | dru_ | it's also a skill check. |
| 16:47.18 | nevcairiel | we did ZA with a maybe 1/3 blue, 2/3 kara epics group, the animal bosses were easy |
| 16:47.22 | nevcairiel | hexlord was a bitch |
| 16:47.25 | ralfWORK | I do agree the more gear and skill you have, the less "random" things become |
| 16:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Hexlord requires two healers to be awake. </fight> |
| 16:47.43 | foxlit | Hexlord is a bitch even in t6 epics |
| 16:47.48 | foxlit | bloody cc |
| 16:47.53 | ralfWORK | (I hate it when people cry "it's too random!") |
| 16:47.54 | Legorol | i'd say ZA animal bosses are reasonably doable in half blue half epic, with decent skill |
| 16:48.05 | Legorol | the less gear you have, the more skill you need, but at a certain point it becomes impossible |
| 16:48.08 | Legorol | eg. you can't do it in greens |
| 16:48.12 | dru_ | Legorol: are you using the two tank / split the cleave strat on bear ? |
| 16:48.20 | ralfWORK | sure |
| 16:48.23 | ralfWORK | you can't do it naked |
| 16:48.25 | Legorol | dru_: irrelevant, i'm not talking about specific strat |
| 16:48.33 | Legorol | ralfWORK: so we aren't really arguing |
| 16:48.40 | Legorol | we all agree that certain amount of gear is needed |
| 16:48.47 | ralfWORK | aight, sure. |
| 16:48.52 | Legorol | the only thing worth arguing about is where that (very fuzzy) line is |
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| 16:49.07 | dru_ | I disagree, we've used tanks that are just starting Kara gear on bear, and had no issues. |
| 16:49.10 | Legorol | for the average raiding population, for animal bosses, i'd put that line at half-blue half-epic |
| 16:49.21 | Legorol | dru_: that's already good gear, by some standards |
| 16:49.21 | ralfWORK | I'm arguing because 9/10 of the time, people who say they don't have the gear are generally shitty players |
| 16:49.23 | dru_ | yes, we have outstanding healers. |
| 16:49.32 | Legorol | you guys keep forgetting that no matter what gear you have, there is always worse gear :) |
| 16:49.38 | dru_ | true |
| 16:49.43 | Legorol | ralfWORK: that's true as well |
| 16:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: average raiding population with an IQ higher than 50. Which, sadly, is not most of the people who call their own selves "raiders" (but agreed at line placement) |
| 16:49.51 | Legorol | and dru_: yes, good healers help |
| 16:50.05 | Legorol | i was going to finish my line about the ZA thing :) |
| 16:50.13 | foxlit | Teron is an awesome fight |
| 16:50.14 | Legorol | i was going to say that, for most guild i'd say try ZA when you are half epic |
| 16:50.20 | dru_ | I will say that, despite the current trends, I personally don't like running any 10+ man without a true warr tank. |
| 16:50.22 | Legorol | in my own guild, i'd say people are ready when they are nearly full epic :) |
| 16:50.28 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 16:50.32 | ralfWORK | when I go to ZA |
| 16:50.38 | ralfWORK | I look for people who have cleared KZ |
| 16:50.50 | foxlit | Unfortunately, it can take entire nights because it is more or less the only fight that people have to think about what they're going to do, or wipe the raid regardless of who they are. |
| 16:50.50 | ralfWORK | and yea, should be at *least* half epic |
| 16:50.51 | Legorol | when you say "cleared", do you mean they have done each encounter at least once? |
| 16:50.55 | dru_ | I know the druid and pally tanks are all the rage right now, but I'll take my warr tanks anytime. |
| 16:51.06 | ralfWORK | Legorol: I start with that, yes |
| 16:51.18 | Legorol | and what about people who got boosted through KZ :) |
| 16:51.28 | ralfWORK | Legorol: I don't like them as much :) |
| 16:51.38 | Legorol | but you can't tell that if you are making a pug :) |
| 16:51.44 | Legorol | if it's your guild group, then of course you know your players |
| 16:51.48 | ralfWORK | not always, no |
| 16:51.51 | ralfWORK | but sometimes you can |
| 16:51.51 | dru_ | legorol I view 'cleared' as oneshotting an instance |
| 16:52.01 | foxlit | (Ultimate skill encounter: Shartuul) |
| 16:52.07 | ralfWORK | dru_: that's farmed :) |
| 16:52.13 | Legorol | all hail Shartuul! i love that guy |
| 16:52.24 | ralfWORK | Legorol: if I see a mage in blues and a green and a Mindblade, then I can assume he's been boosted through :D |
| 16:52.28 | Legorol | dru_: we have KZ on farm, had it for looooooong time, yet can occasionally wipe on trash |
| 16:52.33 | foxlit | Wonder if they fixed the teleporter abuse |
| 16:52.35 | Legorol | so does it mean we haven't got it cleared? :) |
| 16:52.38 | dru_ | farmed is when a core group can insert undergeared newbs and STILL oneshot it :-) |
| 16:52.41 | Legorol | it's just people not paying attention usually |
| 16:52.48 | Legorol | dru_: ok that's where we're at |
| 16:53.02 | Legorol | does cleared come before farm? |
| 16:53.09 | dru_ | not always :( |
| 16:53.12 | foxlit | dru_: that definition only works because undergeared nubs have to try really hard to wipe you in kara |
| 16:53.18 | foxlit | Although they can still block Aran! |
| 16:53.19 | ralfWORK | wait, I thought farmed comes when you all get on your alts and still win |
| 16:53.22 | ralfWORK | isn't that cleared? :P |
| 16:53.31 | Legorol | lol |
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| 16:53.42 | Legorol | i think most people's definition of "cleared" is that you have killed each boss at least once |
| 16:53.48 | ralfWORK | yes |
| 16:53.53 | Legorol | and farm is if you can run the place without undue wiping |
| 16:54.04 | dru_ | Legorol: the one that cracks me up is the gruul runs that wipe 3times on trash and oneshot both bosse |
| 16:54.22 | Legorol | dru_: our usual pattern is 3 wipes on maulgar, one-shot gruul |
| 16:54.33 | ralfWORK | HKM needs a few key ppl geared |
| 16:54.37 | Legorol | that's because maulgar needs more skill than gruul |
| 16:54.41 | ralfWORK | other than that, you can do it with mouth breathers just fine |
| 16:54.48 | Legorol | kind of skill that is hard to counter by gear alone |
| 16:55.06 | Legorol | you'd think, wouldn't you.. |
| 16:55.07 | dru_ | maulgaur doesnt really give us too much problem, mostly because of the skill of our healers |
| 16:55.11 | foxlit | Sign my petition: "Unnerf Gruul" People have had a free-ride for too long, it's time to bring back the PAIN! |
| 16:55.16 | Legorol | until the newbs run right up to Kiggler and cause a pbaoe |
| 16:55.20 | Shirik | anyone not using grid have a recommendation for raid frames? |
| 16:55.20 | Legorol | knocking half the raid around |
| 16:55.30 | dru_ | and we usually have at least two mages. |
| 16:55.34 | foxlit | Shirik: pullouts when I need them :P |
| 16:55.40 | ralfWORK | Legorol: oh wait, how about last week 2 hunters at 2 different times pulled with a pet |
| 16:55.45 | Legorol | skilled healers can help a lot |
| 16:55.49 | Shirik | not enough info |
| 16:55.54 | Legorol | ralfWORK: did it cause a wipe? |
| 16:56.03 | ralfWORK | Legorol: mostly. we ran out. some lived. |
| 16:56.17 | foxlit | Shirik: debuffs, health, mana. |
| 16:56.18 | Legorol | we don't usually have hte hunters pulling with pet, they tend to bodypull instead :) |
| 16:56.20 | dru_ | for example our last run, we had three mages in Krosh gear (we kill him second to last). |
| 16:56.21 | Legorol | they are positioning for MDs |
| 16:56.28 | Shirik | and not easily seen :P |
| 16:56.37 | Shirik | needs to be info at a glance |
| 16:56.39 | ralfWORK | Shirik: not really, unfortunately |
| 16:56.43 | dru_ | and lost our first mage tank to a flukey resist |
| 16:56.50 | dru_ | (I hate the hitcapped 1% resist) |
| 16:56.51 | Shirik | when you have 25 of those open, it's not really at a glance anymore |
| 16:56.55 | ralfWORK | Shirik: I like pitbull, but I haven't gotten it to work with clique really |
| 16:57.02 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 16:57.12 | cladhaire | what do you mean "getting it to work"? |
| 16:57.22 | ralfWORK | well |
| 16:57.29 | ralfWORK | configured |
| 16:57.30 | dru_ | a second mage picked up the spellsteal tanking, and we stil onceshotted. |
| 16:57.49 | dru_ | without skilled mages and healers, losing the mage tank is a wipe on that fight |
| 16:58.00 | cladhaire | you shouldn't need to mess with pitbull, it should just work with whatever click-bindings you have se yuop |
| 16:58.15 | ralfWORK | it's a user error, cladhaire |
| 16:58.19 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:58.19 | cladhaire | ok |
| 16:58.24 | ralfWORK | I just haven't addressed it yet |
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| 16:58.40 | ralfWORK | what I was saying is, pitbull is reaaaally configurable |
| 16:58.47 | ralfWORK | so you might want to try it |
| 16:58.50 | Legorol | later folks |
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| 16:59.41 | kd3 | hm... |
| 16:59.44 | kd3 | the calm before the storm |
| 16:59.50 | kd3 | looks for a beer |
| 16:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:00.00 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Esfand |
| 17:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Apt description |
| 17:00.58 | dru_ | how many mac users are there here ? |
| 17:01.04 | ralfWORK | me |
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| 17:01.36 | dru_ | I'm working on a replacement for Wowjustu for progression rankings. |
| 17:01.43 | ralfWORK | oh? |
| 17:01.46 | ralfWORK | don't like it? |
| 17:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and what does that have to do with macs? ;) |
| 17:02.13 | dru_ | I'm toying with setting up xgrid clients that any mac use can download and run to help distribute the load for faster updates. |
| 17:02.25 | ralfWORK | oh aren't you fancy |
| 17:02.36 | dru_ | (think Seti for th Armory) |
| 17:02.37 | Cide | sounds like overkill |
| 17:02.54 | ralfWORK | if you did that for WWS |
| 17:02.56 | ralfWORK | I'd love you more |
| 17:02.59 | dru_ | Cide I'm not sure, Wowjustus is very slow to update |
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| 17:03.19 | Cide | ralfWORK: I can't imagine wws data being difficult to parse? |
| 17:03.21 | ralfWORK | I don't know how much of wowjutsu's speed is from processing and how much is just the armory crawl |
| 17:03.24 | Cide | or slow |
| 17:03.33 | dru_ | ralfWORK: actually, that's also on the list. |
| 17:03.53 | dru_ | cide the slow part is not the parsing, it's the analysis |
| 17:04.05 | dru_ | the individual data files are easy |
| 17:04.38 | dru_ | it's the aggregation into an easily minable collection that ges painful |
| 17:04.47 | Duman | hmm |
| 17:04.50 | dru_ | particularly if you get multiple sources for the same encounter. |
| 17:05.02 | Shirik|AFK | stupid brighthouse... |
| 17:05.03 | Cide | shrugs |
| 17:05.05 | dru_ | since they aren'y exact duplicates. |
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| 17:05.37 | dru_ | that's the ugly part of the WWS. |
| 17:06.17 | dru_ | compare the WWS data for the same encounters from multiple sources, parse, aggregate and then generate a single composite data stream |
| 17:06.49 | Maldivia | 2.4, hehe... "Choose your language", "Development" :) |
| 17:07.18 | Arthenik | is there anyone who could explain OnClick to me please? i would like to script a frame to execute an action when i click on it and i get errors |
| 17:07.46 | sioraiocht | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/03/crack_deal_caught_on_google_ma.php |
| 17:07.57 | Maldivia | Arthenik: OnClick is only available on Buttons |
| 17:08.55 | kd3 | sioraiocht, lmao |
| 17:08.56 | Maldivia | Arthenik: but what's the error you're getting? |
| 17:09.00 | Arthenik | Maldivia: >would that mean that i cannot create buttons using eepanels? |
| 17:10.11 | Arthenik | [string "<OnClick> ToggleAutoRun() </OnClick>"]:1: unexpected symbol near '<' |
| 17:10.42 | Maldivia | Arthenik: you can't toggle autorun anyway, it's protected |
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| 17:11.26 | Arthenik | i just wanted it as for a test, because its quite visible when it works :P i guess ill have to find something else then, thanks |
| 17:11.40 | Arthenik | *(minus as) |
| 17:11.42 | Maldivia | Arthenik: but also, I would assume eepanels expect lua code, and not xml, but I could be mistaken |
| 17:11.52 | Maldivia | Arthenik: but the error would indicate that aswell |
| 17:11.56 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 17:11.58 | cladhaire | wowhead is slowing down |
| 17:12.08 | cladhaire | that certainly makes it difficult to mine |
| 17:12.11 | Duman | heh |
| 17:12.23 | Maldivia | heh |
| 17:12.35 | Arthenik | Maldivia: yeah, thats probably it... i just started looking into it yesterday |
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| 17:13.45 | Arthenik | Maldivia: i found this though on the eepanels official thread at wowace.com: "Scripts can be attached as such: OnHide,OnShow, OnEnter, OnClick, OnLeave, OnEvent, OnUpdate, OnLoad. the engine will automatically wrap your code in a function for you and you dont have to register for an event explictily, using the above script it would be defined as follows in kgPanels:" |
| 17:14.45 | Arthenik | Maldivia: stupid me, hes talking about a different addon... a successor to eepanels. guess ill have to download it then |
| 17:15.46 | Maldivia | if you can enter lua code, you can just: this:SetScript("OnClick", function() DoTheCode() end) |
| 17:16.12 | cladhaire | Maldivia: in this case it wraps your code, so that would't work either |
| 17:16.20 | cladhaire | you'd have to understand the specific application, this isn't raw api |
| 17:16.28 | cladhaire | and i think Arthenik has it figured out anyway :p |
| 17:16.38 | Arthenik | yeah :D thanks guys |
| 17:17.12 | Arthenik | this also sparked an interest in lua for me, i might look into it |
| 17:17.14 | Maldivia | cladhaire: yeah, must admit, haven't looked at eePanels in a long time, so not really well versed in it's way of attaching code to its frames :) |
| 17:17.34 | Lopeppeppy | Duct tape and a promise.... |
| 17:17.47 | Maldivia | cladhaire: I know the "raw" API - that's what I usually stick to :) |
| 17:17.53 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:18.08 | Arthenik | well, off to SVN and the drawing board... bye bye and thanks again :) |
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| 17:25.50 | Tem | Why do I always listen to the whole song whenever I get rick roll'd? |
| 17:26.10 | Maldivia | because it's a good song? |
| 17:26.17 | Cide | it is a pretty good song |
| 17:28.15 | cladhaire | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdpwYe1jSA |
| 17:28.20 | Maldivia | hehe... 5.3 mil and 7.5 mil views on youtube :) |
| 17:28.23 | Shirik | hey cool, the dev realms are up |
| 17:28.25 | foxlit | http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w234/cherrycodes/msbg/rickroll_chart.jpg |
| 17:28.31 | Shirik | I tried to log in and "Development" was one of the options |
| 17:28.34 | Shirik | wouldn't let me log in though :( |
| 17:28.46 | Cide | foxlit: haha, that's awesome |
| 17:29.14 | Maldivia | Shirik: yep, laughed about that aswell :) |
| 17:29.53 | batrick | would be nice if there was a dev realm for addon authors :) |
| 17:30.15 | Cide | agreed, but not gonna happen :P |
| 17:30.17 | kergoth | agered |
| 17:30.21 | kergoth | agreed, too |
| 17:30.34 | Shirik | TTR was pretty good for that |
| 17:30.43 | Shirik | well, unless you're trying to test mob threat or something |
| 17:30.44 | Sixen | Forums are being gay :/ |
| 17:30.45 | Shirik | then it sucked |
| 17:30.53 | batrick | eh |
| 17:31.09 | batrick | it just brings to mind things like inventory management or testing code that reacts to a spell |
| 17:31.12 | Maldivia | hmm... go go WoWI beta "giveaway" again :) |
| 17:31.15 | batrick | especially spells with long cooldowns |
| 17:31.33 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 17:31.44 | Shirik | it would be nice to be able to like perform special commands |
| 17:31.49 | Shirik | like reset cooldowns |
| 17:31.53 | batrick | because waiting 10-30 minutes between tests really blows |
| 17:31.59 | Shirik | I think it would be abused though |
| 17:32.08 | batrick | dev realm? |
| 17:32.11 | batrick | :P |
| 17:32.11 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:32.20 | Shirik | hell, people go crazy on PTR doing BGs and whatever |
| 17:32.25 | Shirik | because they think it's more fun or something |
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| 17:32.37 | Shirik | surely some people will go around pew pewing everything being all "hey look I'm a GM lawl" |
| 17:32.42 | dylanm | They should give Cairren the keys. |
| 17:32.44 | batrick | the idea would be only certain accounts could log on |
| 17:32.52 | foxlit | Shirik: I'd guess it's mostly because they get premade characters |
| 17:33.08 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 17:33.15 | Maldivia | Lunessa: shhh |
| 17:33.18 | foxlit | If those realms are the same as live, and you could only transfer existing characters, I don't really see the appeal to anyone :) |
| 17:33.26 | foxlit | Wipe them every so often as well |
| 17:33.29 | batrick | plus i'm sure the cost of a dev realm is not that appealing for blizz |
| 17:33.40 | batrick | even though addon authors are worth a lot to them :P |
| 17:34.16 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 17:34.29 | Lunessa | tackle-hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 17:36.23 | Shirik | glomps Lopeppeppy |
| 17:36.29 | kd3 | pokes curse |
| 17:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | emotes |
| 17:37.23 | art3mis | loads up the squirrel gun and fires on everyone. |
| 17:38.26 | kd3 | welp. looks like it's time to retire the forum hamsters... |
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| 17:38.50 | batrick | Shirik: that competition done yet?? |
| 17:38.54 | dylanm | How long has Curse been down |
| 17:38.56 | Shirik | negative, next week |
| 17:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | Whee... now I feel very muchloved. |
| 17:39.00 | Shirik | however, what do you need? |
| 17:39.00 | batrick | great |
| 17:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | smiles at Shirik and Lunessa |
| 17:39.12 | batrick | well some compiled binaries for windows would be great =) |
| 17:39.25 | Shirik | kk, let me update and see what I can do |
| 17:39.30 | Shirik | not doing anything else right now (though I should be) |
| 17:39.39 | batrick | i know the feeling |
| 17:40.00 | Sixen | Hm. |
| 17:40.17 | Sixen | Forum hamsters? They'll more like Forum Fly's. |
| 17:40.26 | Sixen | They aren't running on that wheel for anything :/ |
| 17:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. [Server Ferrets] and [Forum Hamsters]. Not their fault if the wheel falls off the spoke sometimes. |
| 17:41.06 | Sixen | ;/ |
| 17:41.32 | Shirik | that did not just happen..... |
| 17:41.36 | Shirik | I think I just lost my changes >< |
| 17:41.50 | Shirik | because someone decided to ... restructure the repository >< |
| 17:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | backs away from Shirik slowly |
| 17:42.36 | batrick | i thought i told u i did |
| 17:42.53 | Shirik | oh well |
| 17:42.54 | Sixen | hides in a corner behind Lopepp |
| 17:42.57 | Shirik | nothing that can't be redone |
| 17:43.01 | Maldivia | ohh... google knows the time |
| 17:43.12 | batrick | it's for the greater good |
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| 17:44.32 | Shirik | src\filum.c(27) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'sys/time.h': No such file or directory |
| 17:44.33 | Shirik | rawr |
| 17:44.34 | Shirik | fun times |
| 17:44.50 | Shirik | wtf is pthread_cleanup_push? |
| 17:45.15 | nevcairiel | http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man3/pthread_cleanup_push.3.asp |
| 17:45.20 | Shirik | stop that! |
| 17:45.24 | cladhaire | lol |
| 17:45.26 | Shirik | You're supposed to make batrick give the answers |
| 17:45.29 | Shirik | make him work |
| 17:46.39 | batrick | zzz |
| 17:46.50 | Shirik | that's going to be fun to push over to windows... |
| 17:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe |
| 17:47.00 | batrick | =) |
| 17:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing like pushing 2.4MB/sec upstream of WoW patch data |
| 17:47.06 | Shirik | also this is curious: status = KLUA_COND_VAR_WAIT(from->queue, from->mutex); |
| 17:47.14 | Maldivia | hmm... so 2.4 today... so can we expect a 2.5 announcement next tuesday :) |
| 17:47.21 | batrick | how is that curious shirik |
| 17:47.27 | batrick | when was the last time you updated? |
| 17:47.28 | Shirik | well, in Windows, it's defined as #define KLUA_COND_VAR_WAIT(c, m) (SleepConditionVariableCS(& (c) , m , INFINITE), (void)(0)) |
| 17:47.43 | Shirik | and casting from void to int doesn't go very well :P |
| 17:48.04 | batrick | well |
| 17:48.10 | Shirik | But that actually has another issue in that we don't have condition variables in Windows anyway |
| 17:48.13 | Shirik | gah, I have a lot of work to do |
| 17:48.20 | batrick | yup |
| 17:48.42 | Cide | GET TO WORK |
| 17:48.45 | Shirik | do namespaces exist in C? |
| 17:48.49 | batrick | no |
| 17:48.52 | ralfWORK | I don't wanna do work |
| 17:48.53 | Cide | ouch. |
| 17:48.56 | Shirik | but structs do |
| 17:48.57 | ralfWORK | I wanna wait for 2.4 |
| 17:49.11 | batrick | shirik, you need to take a day and read the K&R C book |
| 17:49.18 | nevcairiel | US servers are already coming back up |
| 17:49.21 | Shirik | I don't want to corrupt my mind |
| 17:49.23 | batrick | C++ has corrupted you |
| 17:49.26 | batrick | haha |
| 17:49.40 | nevcairiel | i told him yesterday already to get a K&R |
| 17:49.53 | Shirik | And I told batrick to get TC++PL |
| 17:49.57 | Shirik | but he didn't listen |
| 17:50.02 | Shirik | So I'm not listening! |
| 17:50.03 | batrick | ya if i wanted kindling i'd go pick up some sticks |
| 17:50.06 | nevcairiel | K&R is THE book! |
| 17:50.16 | Shirik | TC++PL IS THE BOOK |
| 17:50.29 | zenzelezz | I must agree with Shirik |
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| 17:51.03 | nevcairiel | i dont even know which book you mean, can you type a name that i can google? :P |
| 17:51.13 | zenzelezz | The C++ Programming Language |
| 17:51.26 | nevcairiel | by..? |
| 17:51.27 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:51.29 | batrick | !g The C++ Programming Language |
| 17:51.30 | batbot | batrick: The C Programming Language <http://plan9.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cbook/> |
| 17:51.39 | Shirik | uhh |
| 17:51.46 | zenzelezz | by Stroustrup of course |
| 17:51.49 | Shirik | ok this is going to sound really stupid because it's SO MUCH EASIER in C++ |
| 17:51.56 | nevcairiel | haha batbot owns C++ |
| 17:51.59 | nevcairiel | it gets us a K&R |
| 17:52.14 | Shirik | how do you define a structure? typedef struct { } name; ? |
| 17:52.16 | batrick | lmfao |
| 17:52.26 | zenzelezz | Shirik: just like a class |
| 17:52.31 | zenzelezz | struct name { ... }; |
| 17:52.35 | Shirik | that's legal in C++ |
| 17:52.38 | Shirik | I don't thin kit is in C |
| 17:52.41 | Shirik | is it? |
| 17:53.06 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 17:53.14 | zenzelezz | I thought it was; my understanding was that the typedef is just to define pointers and other crap in the same bit of code... but I don't care about C, I use C++ |
| 17:53.14 | Tem | Shirik, I think it's legal in C if you don't have -pedantic on |
| 17:53.32 | kd3 | oh wow. realms appear to be coming up |
| 17:53.33 | nevcairiel | its perfectly legal in all C Tem |
| 17:53.39 | Shirik | ah ok |
| 17:53.48 | Shirik | thanks |
| 17:53.58 | Tem | nevcairiel, I'm 99% certain you're wrong |
| 17:54.15 | Tem | struct name {} has not alwasy been legal C |
| 17:54.52 | Tem | I know this because I got yelled at because I "wasn't writing C" on the test I was taking to avoid taking the C class |
| 17:54.54 | batrick | struct name {...} is what you use to define a structure |
| 17:54.57 | nevcairiel | it is legal in ANSI C, with -pedantic on |
| 17:54.58 | zenzelezz | curse you for bringing up interesting discussions when I'm about to make food |
| 17:55.00 | kd3 | whoops |
| 17:55.00 | Tem | in c++ |
| 17:55.02 | batrick | the typedef just gives it an identifier name |
| 17:55.10 | kd3 | our locale options include "development" and "united states" |
| 17:55.18 | Shirik | yeah kd3, isn't it awesome? :P |
| 17:55.25 | Shirik | Actually oceanic was up at one point but it went back down |
| 17:55.28 | Tem | woah woah woah |
| 17:55.29 | Tem | wait |
| 17:55.30 | Tem | what? |
| 17:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: that changes based on the realms available, it would seem |
| 17:55.35 | Tem | the realms are coming up on time? |
| 17:55.37 | Tem | on a patch day? |
| 17:55.39 | Tem | unpossible |
| 17:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: no joke |
| 17:55.45 | kd3 | they're showing up in the patch list, but they're still offline |
| 17:55.56 | Tem | oh wow |
| 17:55.56 | ScytheBlade1 | They were online for a moment |
| 17:56.06 | Tem | that would be hot |
| 17:56.28 | Tem | goes to find some food in hopes that the servers come up soon |
| 17:56.49 | zenzelezz | I remember when Anarchy Online had their weekly maintenance or even patches... you could always tell when the servers were coming back up because the guy in charge of the servers would log off IRC |
| 17:56.50 | batrick | liar |
| 17:56.55 | Tem | nevcairiel, I could be wrong. In fact, I'd like to be wrong because I really hate the woman who yelled at me. |
| 17:56.59 | batrick | tem hopes the servers don't come up before he gets back |
| 17:57.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:57.16 | Tem | I consider her incompitent |
| 17:57.23 | Tem | well isn't that ironic |
| 17:57.49 | Tem | I mispelled the word incompetent |
| 17:57.52 | Tem | awesome |
| 17:57.57 | nevcairiel | Tem: you can use typedef so you dont need the struct keyword in variable declaration anymore .. but thats all |
| 17:58.08 | Sixen | KD3 |
| 17:58.30 | Sixen | The EU/ES/DE/FR/KR all have announced a patch on their maintenance tomorrow. |
| 17:58.38 | Tem | well, basically, I got an earful after the test because "struct name {...} is not proper C" |
| 17:58.39 | Sixen | It's up for US today, :p |
| 17:58.53 | batrick | lol wut? |
| 17:59.04 | nevcairiel | Tem: thats why you always pack your K&R to correct them |
| 17:59.08 | batrick | that IS proper C |
| 17:59.10 | Shirik | another stupid question |
| 17:59.21 | Shirik | nm, answered it myself |
| 17:59.23 | batrick | slap her in the fase the dumb bitch |
| 17:59.35 | Tem | wtf is a K&R |
| 17:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | batrick! |
| 17:59.37 | batrick | with the K&R book in fact |
| 17:59.40 | Shirik | it's the official book of C |
| 17:59.42 | batrick | wat!? |
| 17:59.44 | Tem | meh |
| 17:59.45 | Shirik | it's like the C bible |
| 17:59.59 | Tem | C is for people messing with low level systems |
| 18:00.03 | Tem | and lua |
| 18:00.16 | batrick | Lopeppeppy: wat?!!?! |
| 18:00.17 | Shirik | <3 low level systems :( |
| 18:00.23 | cog|work | is with Shirik |
| 18:00.28 | Shirik | but I use C++ on embedded systems actually |
| 18:00.34 | Sixen | waves to Cog |
| 18:00.35 | nevcairiel | i love full control over what my code does |
| 18:00.39 | cog|work | waves back |
| 18:00.39 | nevcairiel | and C is all about that =P |
| 18:00.45 | Sixen | =] |
| 18:00.45 | Shirik | aye |
| 18:00.50 | Tem | "It is the programmer's responsibility" |
| 18:00.52 | Shirik | being able to manipulate pointers directly is so nice |
| 18:01.03 | Tem | I do miss pointers |
| 18:01.07 | Tem | oh well |
| 18:01.08 | Shirik | I was able to write some extremely efficient code the other day just because of my ability to add 4 to a pointer |
| 18:01.17 | Shirik | Java can't do that |
| 18:01.23 | Tem | no, it can't |
| 18:01.25 | Tem | btw |
| 18:01.30 | Tem | ~exception Shirik |
| 18:01.31 | purl | ACTION throws a NullPointerException at Shirik. |
| 18:01.42 | batrick | lol null pointer |
| 18:01.43 | sylvanaar_work | pointer arithmatic, how nasty |
| 18:01.44 | cog|work | course nothin' beats assembly... |
| 18:01.47 | Shirik | is wrapped with a try{} catch(...) {} |
| 18:01.49 | batrick | thats kinda ironic |
| 18:02.04 | Shirik | C++'s coolest feature, catch(...) |
| 18:02.11 | Shirik | try to crash my program now! |
| 18:02.16 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 18:02.22 | nevcairiel | creates a buffer overflow |
| 18:02.30 | sylvanaar_work | creates stack overflow |
| 18:02.33 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 18:02.39 | Shirik | I'll add a SIGSEGV handler |
| 18:02.58 | Shirik | and |
| 18:03.01 | nevcairiel | if it reaches SIGSEGV you can just restart the whole thing essentially <.< |
| 18:03.04 | Shirik | actually I don't know how to handle a stack overflow :/ |
| 18:03.09 | sylvanaar_work | creates out of memory condition |
| 18:03.13 | batrick | hmm |
| 18:03.17 | Shirik | sylvanaar_work: That would be caught :) |
| 18:03.30 | Shirik | out of memory triggers std::bad_alloc being thrown, which is caught by the catch(...) |
| 18:03.35 | nevcairiel | yeah out of memory is catchable |
| 18:03.37 | cog|work | removes a pin from one of the memory banks |
| 18:03.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:03.44 | Shirik | not fair... |
| 18:03.53 | sylvanaar_work | yes, but it could still crash you depending on what you do next |
| 18:04.02 | Shirik | goto beginning |
| 18:04.04 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 18:04.09 | cog|work | Now THAT's low-level control... |
| 18:04.14 | batrick | do a longjmp luke |
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| 18:04.49 | Shirik | 2.4 maintenance extended 1:30 |
| 18:05.03 | nevcairiel | i wonder if we can use C++ in our computer graphics class next semester, or if we have to do it in raw C |
| 18:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | 12:30 |
| 18:05.08 | Shirik | 12:30 PDT/3:30 EDT is the new expected time |
| 18:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | pacific |
| 18:05.15 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I meant one hour 30 mintues :P |
| 18:05.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:05.26 | batrick | raw C for graphics ayya |
| 18:05.33 | sylvanaar_work | "theres a ***in surprise" - Joe Pesci |
| 18:05.43 | nevcairiel | i think its OpenGL .. OpenGL C Interface is C++ i suppose? |
| 18:05.44 | Shirik | ow |
| 18:05.47 | Shirik | that's depressing |
| 18:05.52 | Shirik | I saw that and immediately thought "triple pointer" |
| 18:06.02 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 18:06.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:06.14 | batrick | wow shirik |
| 18:06.15 | sylvanaar_work | it works for triple pointer too |
| 18:06.45 | Shirik | quiet batrick, trying to implement condition variables because some genius decided for 15 years that they weren't necessary in a kernel! |
| 18:06.47 | batrick | i've yet to see code with a quadruple pointer |
| 18:06.52 | Shirik | I have some |
| 18:06.54 | Shirik | if you'd like to see it |
| 18:07.05 | sylvanaar_work | batrick orly |
| 18:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee, broke 20mbit upstream |
| 18:07.11 | nevcairiel | if you start passing around arrays of data, or even arrays of strings |
| 18:07.16 | nevcairiel | you get to quadruple :P |
| 18:07.17 | batrick | no it's probably just... int ****a; // lol quadruple pointer |
| 18:07.31 | cog|work | windows programming is ripe with that kind of stuff... A handle to anything gets you halfway there... |
| 18:07.55 | Shirik | it was basically like |
| 18:08.07 | sylvanaar_work | one time i pastey'd some code my coworker wrote - no doubt it has some 5x pointers in it |
| 18:08.11 | sylvanaar_work | looks |
| 18:08.14 | Shirik | it was a two dimensional array that needed to be allocated by a called function and the new pointer passed back, that's 3 |
| 18:08.22 | Shirik | I forget what the fourth part of that was |
| 18:08.29 | batrick | oi |
| 18:08.34 | batrick | I didn't say it wasn't possible |
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| 18:08.48 | nevcairiel | two dimensional array of strings that needs to be allocated |
| 18:08.51 | nevcairiel | 4 stars |
| 18:09.09 | batrick | shirik |
| 18:09.11 | batrick | get back to work |
| 18:09.15 | Shirik | I am working! |
| 18:09.17 | Shirik | look at this beauty! |
| 18:09.23 | Shirik | struct klua_cond_var |
| 18:09.23 | Shirik | { |
| 18:09.23 | Shirik | KLUA_MUTEX m_mtx; |
| 18:09.23 | Shirik | }; |
| 18:09.25 | Shirik | so much work done! |
| 18:09.31 | batrick | what the fuck is that |
| 18:09.40 | Shirik | that's my condition variable that I need to implement |
| 18:09.42 | nevcairiel | its his struct with one member var =P |
| 18:09.46 | batrick | weeps for his once beautiful code |
| 18:09.55 | Shirik | hey, it's wrapped in #ifdef _WIN32 |
| 18:09.56 | Shirik | don't worry |
| 18:10.08 | batrick | i hope so |
| 18:10.08 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 18:10.17 | Shirik | when compiling for 64 bit windows, _WIN32 is still defined |
| 18:10.25 | batrick | !g porting pthread code to windows |
| 18:10.26 | batbot | batrick: Photos <http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/searchbrowse?hl=en&q=porting+pthread+code+to+windows&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wq> |
| 18:10.29 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/400/ |
| 18:10.30 | batrick | maybe that will help |
| 18:10.31 | Shirik | ... wow |
| 18:10.33 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 18:10.49 | batrick | err |
| 18:10.51 | batrick | that's useless |
| 18:10.53 | batrick | amazingly so |
| 18:10.58 | nevcairiel | thats like a empty page |
| 18:10.59 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 18:11.08 | batrick | no but really, someone probably has some advice on cond vars for windows |
| 18:11.53 | zenzelezz | can't you use some form of the Windows mutexes or semaphores or other kernel objects? Not too familiar with them myself, or what you're trying to accomplish |
| 18:11.55 | cog|work | Lunessa: that applies to me to an enormous extent... I have extremely eclectic musical tastes :P |
| 18:12.05 | Lunessa | Me too. |
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| 18:12.25 | cog|work | well, i'm married so i'm more likely to be caught in that situation :o) |
| 18:12.44 | batrick | cogwheel s/more/less |
| 18:12.45 | batrick | =) |
| 18:12.58 | cog|work | batrick: not according to almost every study ever done about it... |
| 18:13.00 | Maldivia | uhh... now there's a United States realm aswell, and a lot of Development realms :) |
| 18:13.04 | Shirik | woah hold up |
| 18:13.07 | Shirik | inner focus was buffed? |
| 18:13.14 | Shirik | what did they do to it? |
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| 18:13.31 | Cide | cog|work: try Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up |
| 18:13.35 | Cide | works wonders if you can stop laughing |
| 18:14.05 | Maldivia | Shirik: buffed how? it's still -100% mana, 25% crit, 3 min CD |
| 18:14.13 | Shirik | dunno, just what wowinsider says |
| 18:14.21 | Shirik | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/03/25/going-priestly-in-patch-2-4/ |
| 18:14.46 | foxlit | (though in reality it's not a very big buff, just Chastise, Starshards, and Shadowguard corrections in that they'll no longer trigger the Inner Focus charge) |
| 18:14.56 | Lunessa | cog|work: hey, at least she knows you have strange tastes in music. It's not like you're going to get busted listening to Ah-Ha after a evening convincing some hottie you're all manly. :P |
| 18:14.57 | sylvanaar_work | have you ever seen the C version of "exceptions" |
| 18:15.02 | Maldivia | Shirik: ahh, it's just that certain 0-mana spells doesn't consume the inner focus |
| 18:15.09 | Shirik | oh good |
| 18:15.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:15.15 | Shirik | I've been having problems with that actually |
| 18:15.18 | Shirik | sylvanaar_work: They make me cry |
| 18:15.28 | Shirik | lol setjmp, lol longjmp ? |
| 18:15.33 | Shirik | .... |
| 18:15.46 | sylvanaar_work | lol wraping in an if |
| 18:15.50 | Shirik | that's as bad as goto |
| 18:15.54 | Shirik | oh that too |
| 18:15.56 | sylvanaar_work | let me pastey |
| 18:16.03 | Shirik | the #1 thing I hate is that to be really safe |
| 18:16.10 | Shirik | every malloc call has to be wrapped in an if |
| 18:16.23 | Shirik | otherwise there's no way to tell if you're out of memory |
| 18:16.28 | kergoth | nothing wrong with goto in the right situations |
| 18:16.34 | Cairenn|afk | pokes Kirkburn |
| 18:16.45 | Cairenn|afk | make with the updatingness! |
| 18:16.47 | kergoth | when you have 5 allocations one right after another, goto is a great way to handle an error along the way.. its used that way in the linux kernel all over the place |
| 18:16.54 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|afk, ? |
| 18:16.57 | Cairenn|afk | pokes Cide to do the same! |
| 18:17.05 | Maldivia | Shirik: malloc returns NULL on error :) |
| 18:17.11 | Kirkburn | Oh, 2.4 is out |
| 18:17.13 | sylvanaar_work | http://lol.pastey.net/84359 |
| 18:17.15 | Shirik | or, you know, try...catch |
| 18:17.20 | Kirkburn | Got some other urgent stuff to attend to first |
| 18:17.25 | Shirik | Maldivia: Exactly :P |
| 18:17.29 | Cairenn|afk | not on the sites though! :p |
| 18:17.44 | Shirik | so you'd have to wrapp every malloc call in an if |
| 18:17.50 | Shirik | ............ wtf |
| 18:18.06 | batrick | stop crying!!! |
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| 18:18.45 | Maldivia | Shirik: well, you would have the same problem in every language, you could wrap every single creation of a new instance of a java class in a try catch, in case it was out of memory and couldn't create the instance, etc |
| 18:19.00 | Shirik | well, you see |
| 18:19.08 | Shirik | instead of getting a random segfault five years later |
| 18:19.17 | Shirik | you would just get an unhandled std::bad_alloc at the allocation point |
| 18:19.42 | cog|work | sylvanaar_work: those look like showering instructions |
| 18:19.43 | Shirik | which debuggers can pick up and trace |
| 18:20.03 | sylvanaar_work | cog|work they need a shower that's for sure |
| 18:20.05 | Shirik | soap_grab() soap_lather() soap_rinse(true) /* arg1: repeat */ |
| 18:20.11 | Maldivia | Shirik: yeah, in C, you'd just get a segfault later with a null pointer |
| 18:20.11 | kergoth | it's not that hard to debug a segfault, either, usually |
| 18:20.14 | Sixen | lol? |
| 18:20.20 | Sixen | I was able to login to the Development realm? |
| 18:20.24 | kergoth | just make sure you've got core dumps enabled |
| 18:20.34 | Sixen | Weeeird. |
| 18:20.39 | Shirik | I wasn't saying it was, but it's a lot nicer to have the exception thrown at the cause rather than the effect |
| 18:20.54 | Maldivia | Sixen: yep, most realms are listed in the "Development" zone for some reason |
| 18:21.00 | Sixen | Mmmm |
| 18:21.02 | Sixen | That's not good. |
| 18:21.11 | Maldivia | well, will probably be fixed when the realms are up |
| 18:21.26 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 18:22.08 | Maldivia | Shirik: well, in C, you can always choose to to use a memory management library, that wraps your malloc calls, and makes a descriptive error message on malloc-errors |
| 18:22.43 | Shirik | or I could not use C ^_^ |
| 18:23.01 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 18:23.12 | Shirik | I just realized one of my defines (batrick) was #define KLUA_MUTEX_CREATE(mutex) (mutex = (new CRITICAL_SECTION)) |
| 18:23.17 | Shirik | #define KLUA_MUTEX_DESTROY(m) (DeleteCriticalSection( m ), delete m , 0 ) |
| 18:23.24 | Shirik | And you never got mad at me for it |
| 18:23.47 | sylvanaar_work | shared malloc! |
| 18:24.18 | kd3 | har. knew it... pushed back 90 minutes |
| 18:24.40 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 18:25.09 | Maldivia | kd3: what did you expect |
| 18:25.21 | kd3 | 2 hours at least |
| 18:25.39 | Maldivia | kd3: lets see in an hour, if it'll be pushed back further :) |
| 18:25.51 | foxlit | loves the patch schedule |
| 18:26.08 | Maldivia | so... what will we see next tuesday from Blizzard then? |
| 18:26.19 | dylanm | More extended maintenance for your troubles. |
| 18:26.22 | foxlit | realms! |
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| 18:26.36 | Maldivia | well, I was thinking, since next tuesday is April 1st :) |
| 18:26.53 | Sixen | Probabl |
| 18:26.54 | Sixen | y |
| 18:27.38 | Shirik | does C have default parameters? |
| 18:27.38 | foxlit | Rollback to 2.3? |
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| 18:27.51 | Shirik | I think I need to pick up K&R myself |
| 18:28.01 | foxlit | overloading'r'us? |
| 18:28.11 | Shirik | it avoids overloading |
| 18:28.25 | bleeter | gmorn all :0 |
| 18:28.35 | Shirik | void foo(int a, int b = 4); // foo(3) is identical to foo(3,4) |
| 18:29.01 | foxlit | similar syntax in php, wasn't sure what C does |
| 18:29.19 | zenzelezz | that's what he's asking, if C does it |
| 18:29.31 | Shirik | I know C++ does |
| 18:29.39 | Shirik | but I also know C++ is infinitely better than C |
| 18:29.55 | Maldivia | Shirik: C++ has default, C doesn'tt |
| 18:29.58 | kergoth | c++ has its own pile of annoying crap |
| 18:29.59 | zenzelezz | one thing I hate dealing with is declaring function pointers |
| 18:30.01 | kergoth | ist just different crap |
| 18:30.02 | Shirik | boo |
| 18:30.10 | foxlit | O-C, go |
| 18:30.39 | Maldivia | D ! |
| 18:31.24 | Shirik | :< |
| 18:31.30 | Shirik | I have to get rid of one of my most beautiful defines ever |
| 18:31.37 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:31.40 | Shirik | #define KLUA_COND_VAR_TIMEDWAIT(c, m, t) (0==(SleepConditionVariableCS(& (c) , m , (DWORD)((t ->tv_sec * 1000) + (t ->tv_nsec / 1000))))?GetLastError()==ERROR_SEM_TIMEOUT?ETIMEDOUT:GetLastError():0) |
| 18:32.04 | zenzelezz | you can't be a fan of #defines *and* a fan of C++ Shirik |
| 18:32.08 | Shirik | sure I can |
| 18:32.09 | zenzelezz | the C++ crowd consider macros evil |
| 18:32.16 | Shirik | I'm an evil C++ person |
| 18:32.18 | Shirik | I also use char* |
| 18:32.35 | Shirik | mostly because for the most part I'm trained not to use STL |
| 18:32.38 | zenzelezz | throws UTF-8 at Shirik |
| 18:32.42 | Shirik | because it isn't approved by the FAA |
| 18:32.44 | Shirik | fine, wchar_t* |
| 18:33.01 | zenzelezz | you mean you don't use std::string? |
| 18:33.02 | nevcairiel | but the STL is so much fun |
| 18:33.12 | zenzelezz | then go get IBM's ICU thing |
| 18:33.27 | Shirik | no dynamic allocation allowed |
| 18:33.56 | Shirik | which implies no std::string |
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| 18:34.17 | zenzelezz | think you could still use parts of ICU |
| 18:34.25 | Shirik | haven't looked ati t |
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| 18:39.28 | MentalPower | Shirik: is there a list of FAA coding regulations? |
| 18:39.40 | Shirik | yes, but hell if I remember the number |
| 18:39.43 | Shirik | let me see if I can find it |
| 18:40.03 | zenzelezz | Federal Aviation Administration (or whatever it is)? |
| 18:40.33 | Shirik | here, this looks promising: http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/air_software/software_regs/ |
| 18:40.37 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Yeah |
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| 18:41.41 | Shirik | it is by no means an easy read, MentalPower :) |
| 18:41.57 | MentalPower | I gathered that just from the titles |
| 18:41.58 | Shirik | as such I only know basically what I need to know to get the job done |
| 18:42.00 | MentalPower | :| |
| 18:42.22 | Shirik | A team of people (usually containing at least one lawyer) would then go and check to see if it meets standards for real |
| 18:42.24 | art3mis | hrm think 2gigs and 120gb is eough to run 5-10 VPS ? |
| 18:42.56 | art3mis | enough rather |
| 18:43.09 | kd3 | welp, some realms are up |
| 18:43.16 | kd3 | bunch still in the devel tab, lmao |
| 18:43.20 | MentalPower | a lot of them |
| 18:43.35 | Duman | heh |
| 18:43.42 | MentalPower | I think they're using the dev tab to list the ones they're working on |
| 18:43.51 | MentalPower | a nice idea |
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| 18:43.58 | Duman | there was that same dev issue on the PTR tho |
| 18:44.03 | Duman | but that might be the case |
| 18:44.38 | art3mis | i fergot to read the release noes |
| 18:44.39 | art3mis | notes |
| 18:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | Is cute small bug, like baby cockroach. Spray with DEET, it goes away. |
| 18:44.51 | art3mis | did anything fun get added? |
| 18:45.11 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone got 10K gold free. |
| 18:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | Wait. Those are Peppy's Fantasy Notes. Sorry. |
| 18:45.25 | MentalPower | great, I can get into all the realms on the US list, except my own |
| 18:45.37 | MentalPower | can anyone get into alleria? |
| 18:45.41 | art3mis | i mean more along the lines of about 25 new quests that dnot require me to run the same instance over and over or kill 5000 mobs of the same type |
| 18:47.19 | kd3 | art3mis, http://www.wowwiki.com/Shattered_Sun_Offensive#Quests |
| 18:48.06 | Sixen | Anyone else having trouble logging into the forums still? |
| 18:48.07 | bleeter | MentalPower: I tried getting to alleria earlier, when it was showing, got as far as 'retriving char list' |
| 18:48.18 | kd3 | forums are going to be busted all day |
| 18:48.21 | MentalPower | bah |
| 18:48.22 | Sixen | Wow, as if to make me look like an idiot. |
| 18:48.25 | MentalPower | thanks bleeter |
| 18:48.25 | cog|work | Sixen: forums won't be healthy until realms open up |
| 18:48.26 | bleeter | s/forums/everything/ |
| 18:48.28 | Sixen | Yeah, I wsa able to post here and there. |
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| 18:48.41 | Sixen | s/wsa/was |
| 18:48.43 | Sixen | :D |
| 18:48.47 | Sixen | :( |
| 18:49.39 | art3mis | danke kd |
| 18:49.43 | cog|work | :( |
| 18:49.46 | cog|work | A representative of the Keepers of Time has been spotted at the World’s End Tavern in Shattrath. Players in good standing with the faction will be granted ease of passage to the Caverns of Time. |
| 18:49.51 | bleeter | has anyone blamed cide yet? |
| 18:49.59 | cog|work | ^ = Ultrasafe Transporter to Gadgetzan nerf |
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| 18:50.08 | Duman | hehe cog |
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| 18:50.14 | bleeter | cog|work: yeah, now my mage has no reason to set hearth there |
| 18:50.20 | art3mis | now which of those dont require me to enter an instance? |
| 18:50.37 | Lopeppeppy | goes ahead and blames Cide. |
| 18:51.38 | Cide | gee, thanks |
| 18:51.39 | Duman | wow, was avenger's shield the only ability that had its anti-cc-breaking change retained? |
| 18:52.05 | Duman | hmm, looks like it |
| 18:52.07 | Lopeppeppy | Love ya kiss kiss. |
| 18:52.48 | art3mis | Vanndar Stormpike and Captain Balinda Stonehearth have had their health totals reduced to match the health totals of Drek'thar and Captain Galvangar... |
| 18:52.56 | art3mis | i KNEW alliance had ez mode! |
| 18:53.17 | bleeter | art3mis: u r ez mode |
| 18:53.21 | bleeter | :P |
| 18:53.22 | Duman | heh |
| 18:53.24 | art3mis | i gn0es ;( |
| 18:53.25 | Lopeppeppy | I can't believe Belinda the mage had more HP than Galvanger the orc berzerker. |
| 18:53.31 | deltron | art3mis: yeah that got added a while back, it was so annoying |
| 18:53.55 | art3mis | ooo daily fishing quests?! |
| 18:53.55 | Duman | well, that was when she could be counterspelled, etc |
| 18:53.59 | Duman | and she can't any more |
| 18:54.24 | cog|work | Someone at blizz needs to go back to 5th grade math... |
| 18:54.26 | cog|work | Improved Blink: This talent no longer reduces the mana cost of Blink. Instead, it increases the chance for all attacks to miss the Mage by 25% for 2/4 sec after Blink is cast. |
| 18:54.29 | cog|work | lern2reduce |
| 18:54.38 | kergoth | hahah |
| 18:55.03 | Duman | ? |
| 18:55.15 | cog|work | 2/4 sec |
| 18:55.18 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:55.19 | cladhaire | two ranks |
| 18:55.20 | cladhaire | 2 seconds |
| 18:55.22 | cladhaire | or 4 seconds |
| 18:55.22 | Shirik | 2 or 4 seconds |
| 18:55.23 | Shirik | fool |
| 18:55.28 | Duman | eyes cog |
| 18:55.32 | Cide | 2/4 = 1/2 |
| 18:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel was being a PITA. |
| 18:55.38 | Sixen | 2 to 4 |
| 18:55.39 | cog|work | was? |
| 18:55.40 | Sixen | Is how I see it. |
| 18:55.44 | Cide | well no shit |
| 18:55.46 | cladhaire | how does it feel to be stupider than elizabeth hasselback!? |
| 18:55.47 | Duman | it's two ranks... 2s first rank, 4s next rank |
| 18:55.49 | Cide | you guys fail at the internet |
| 18:55.54 | Cide | he was being funny |
| 18:56.02 | Shirik | the internet is serius bisness |
| 18:56.02 | Sixen | Oh, true Duman. |
| 18:56.10 | Sixen | srs bzns |
| 18:56.11 | cog|work | yes... i was being funny... |
| 18:56.12 | art3mis | Non-corporeal Undead and Mechanical creatures are now susceptible to bleed effects. WTF?! |
| 18:56.13 | cog|work | <.< |
| 18:56.15 | Codayus | Maybe he failed at being funny? :-( |
| 18:56.15 | cog|work | >.> |
| 18:56.18 | Duman | sorry, I need food |
| 18:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | I thought he was funny.... |
| 18:56.25 | Duman | lunch time and all :) |
| 18:56.48 | ralfWORK | art3mis: yep! |
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| 18:56.54 | kd3 | sweet, my realm's up |
| 18:56.55 | art3mis | does this mean i can now shackle humaoids and beasts?! |
| 18:57.02 | art3mis | thats soo fucking retarded |
| 18:57.03 | ralfWORK | silly, no! |
| 18:57.10 | cog|work | "2 or 4 seconds" rather than "2/4 sec" would've been better... |
| 18:57.11 | ralfWORK | it's shackle undead! |
| 18:57.15 | ralfWORK | not shackle anything! |
| 18:57.17 | art3mis | they ahve no blood!!!! |
| 18:57.33 | art3mis | hehe a little puff od dust would be awesome graphics for the undead bleeding though ;P |
| 18:57.51 | ralfWORK | oh hush, they have no body either |
| 18:57.53 | Codayus | They use the x/y/z notation a lot for different ranks, but it looks a lot cleared if the values have a % and when there's more than 2 of them... |
| 18:57.58 | ralfWORK | so how can melee stab them at all! |
| 18:58.01 | art3mis | zombies do |
| 18:58.25 | ralfWORK | definition of non-corporeal means "has no body" |
| 18:58.31 | Codayus | "Reduces the costs of spell Foo by 12%/24%/36%" is harder to misunderstand... |
| 18:58.31 | ralfWORK | QQ more! |
| 18:59.00 | art3mis | okay! |
| 18:59.02 | art3mis | i will! |
| 18:59.05 | ralfWORK | k good! |
| 18:59.12 | art3mis | actually all in all 2.4 sint a bad patch |
| 18:59.37 | art3mis | they dropped the ball with the solo quests and at least offering omeone besides stupid grinds/daily quests |
| 18:59.43 | art3mis | but thats typical |
| 18:59.44 | ralfWORK | I'll reserve my judgement until next week, when the servers stop disconnecting people and the world servers stop crashig ;) |
| 18:59.52 | art3mis | and the main reason i barely play anymore |
| 19:00.14 | art3mis | <-- doe not play well with others |
| 19:00.17 | art3mis | does |
| 19:00.24 | kd3 | lmao |
| 19:00.31 | ralfWORK | *cough* you do know this is a MMO right? |
| 19:00.32 | kd3 | they left the insta-teleport to the isle from IF |
| 19:00.35 | Lopeppeppy | Does not! |
| 19:00.45 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 19:01.05 | art3mis | ralfWORK: yeah but as an mmo i shouldnt be required to constantly group to have fun |
| 19:01.17 | art3mis | it's also an RPG |
| 19:01.27 | ralfWORK | erm. k. |
| 19:01.40 | ralfWORK | I think you are weird! |
| 19:01.55 | art3mis | nah i just hate most of the people that play his game ;) |
| 19:02.02 | art3mis | this |
| 19:02.07 | ralfWORK | I think they are asses too |
| 19:02.12 | ralfWORK | but you know |
| 19:02.15 | ralfWORK | when I get fed up |
| 19:02.20 | ralfWORK | I either level a toon |
| 19:02.26 | ralfWORK | or I find something else to do |
| 19:02.35 | art3mis | plus i cant really justify wasting 4-5 hours a night for a few gold lots of whining and no loot ;P |
| 19:02.44 | art3mis | ralfWORK: i bot ;) |
| 19:02.50 | ralfWORK | bot? |
| 19:02.51 | art3mis | or build servers |
| 19:02.54 | ralfWORK | ohh |
| 19:02.55 | art3mis | one of the two heh |
| 19:03.01 | ralfWORK | well, there you go |
| 19:03.09 | MentalPower | whats the key combination to disconnect from screen? |
| 19:03.10 | art3mis | actually my new server is coming along nicely |
| 19:03.35 | art3mis | im wondering if 2gb mem and 120gb of space is enough to host 5-10 VPS's though |
| 19:03.41 | cladhaire | MentalPower: control-a d |
| 19:03.44 | cladhaire | detaches |
| 19:03.55 | art3mis | hehe controla-dd ;P |
| 19:04.06 | art3mis | for when you've lost interest in that window |
| 19:04.37 | MentalPower | oh boo |
| 19:04.47 | art3mis | bows |
| 19:04.57 | art3mis | hows my feature requests for auctioneer coming btw? |
| 19:05.03 | MentalPower | which one? |
| 19:05.05 | art3mis | have the drones done it yet? |
| 19:05.14 | art3mis | the item blacklist and the max buy amounts |
| 19:05.22 | MentalPower | are they in JIRA? |
| 19:05.25 | art3mis | yup |
| 19:05.41 | ralfWORK | stupid question |
| 19:05.50 | ralfWORK | does bottom feeder help with crafting items? |
| 19:06.00 | art3mis | help? |
| 19:06.08 | MentalPower | bottom scanner, you mean :) |
| 19:06.18 | ralfWORK | I'd love something that would say... tell you whether it's cheaper to buy mana pots or to buy the items to make pots and do it yourself |
| 19:06.25 | ralfWORK | because wow economy is totally broken |
| 19:06.29 | ralfWORK | MentalPower: ahh yes that :) |
| 19:06.53 | kergoth | you probably want GFW_ReagentCost or LilSparkysWorkshop, iirc. |
| 19:07.06 | ralfWORK | kergoth: oh ya? cool |
| 19:07.14 | art3mis | http://jira.norganna.org/browse/BTMS-107 |
| 19:07.55 | kergoth | adds the cost of the reagents and stuff. lilsparkys will even let you sort the items in the crafting window by profit adn stuff.. at leaset i know it does with skillet |
| 19:07.55 | kergoth | not sure about the stock frame |
| 19:07.57 | ralfWORK | kergoth: yea, that sounds like what I want |
| 19:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wonders just how much data his linode can pump out |
| 19:08.26 | ScytheBlade1 | 35mbit upstream and going strong... I'm wondering if I can push the cap higher without nuking my linode entirely |
| 19:08.42 | ralfWORK | I'd like it just to save money myself, |
| 19:08.55 | ralfWORK | but honestly, it'd be a good way to make stuff and put on the AH as well |
| 19:08.57 | art3mis | hey scythe |
| 19:09.01 | art3mis | question for ya |
| 19:09.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 19:09.16 | art3mis | when you first setup the linode, how did you access it? |
| 19:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Configure it via the webpanel |
| 19:09.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Click 'start' |
| 19:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And then it starts up with SSH |
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| 19:09.33 | art3mis | then normal access? |
| 19:09.36 | art3mis | hrm k |
| 19:09.43 | art3mis | how much mem do you have? |
| 19:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | 320MB |
| 19:09.55 | art3mis | and can yuo attach via remoetX? |
| 19:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Cheapest plan they have |
| 19:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, I could if I wanted to |
| 19:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no desires to though |
| 19:10.05 | art3mis | k |
| 19:10.11 | art3mis | just curious really |
| 19:10.18 | art3mis | ive almost got the server completely functional |
| 19:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, nice |
| 19:10.35 | art3mis | figure 2gb ram and 120gb space should be enough for 5-10 servers(ish) |
| 19:10.53 | ScytheBlade1 | 5-10 is a pretty big range ;) |
| 19:10.57 | art3mis | i made an install mistake this last time so im reconfiguring the hardware to support it ;P |
| 19:11.13 | ralfWORK | art3mis: 2gb of ram is a bit low imo |
| 19:11.20 | ralfWORK | depends on what you want them to do though |
| 19:11.24 | art3mis | its not like i need that amount of physical range |
| 19:11.45 | art3mis | the server itself is a small footprint so figure about 1.5gb of real mem |
| 19:12.03 | art3mis | thats "about" 5 servers at 384 each |
| 19:12.15 | ralfWORK | what are they serving though? |
| 19:12.27 | ralfWORK | assuming this is *NIX/BSD? |
| 19:12.35 | art3mis | chocies at present are netbsd, centos, debian and some other nix thing |
| 19:13.00 | art3mis | so as long as it doesnt run in full graphical on all 5 it should be fine i think |
| 19:13.04 | Atriace | What's with the new region type for realm selection? |
| 19:13.05 | zenzelezz | it's a pity they didn't name it "Linux System Distribution" |
| 19:13.06 | ralfWORK | and you want a standard-ish install, no micro-distro crap? |
| 19:13.12 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 19:13.35 | art3mis | ralfWORK: yeah, 2gb of space 384 of mem |
| 19:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, there my I/O tokens went |
| 19:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 1500/sec |
| 19:13.48 | art3mis | to be honest thats mroe than enough for sandard server crap |
| 19:13.57 | art3mis | standard |
| 19:14.25 | ralfWORK | art3mis: again, what type of servers though? |
| 19:14.27 | art3mis | although i'll prolly boost it to 8-10gb sic ive only got a spare 120gb drive to muck with at rpesent |
| 19:14.36 | art3mis | lin/bd |
| 19:14.37 | art3mis | bsd |
| 19:14.38 | ralfWORK | DNS? ok |
| 19:14.43 | ralfWORK | mail relay? hmm sure |
| 19:14.48 | art3mis | shrug whatever they install ;P |
| 19:14.59 | ralfWORK | web server? hopefully they don't want anything dynamic |
| 19:15.12 | ralfWORK | mysql? doubt it, unless they are running next to nothing |
| 19:15.27 | art3mis | looking at the servers footprint at present, it's about 7gb space for mail dns web(multiple hosts) the hosting software xen and its host/client crap |
| 19:15.31 | art3mis | mysql |
| 19:15.33 | ralfWORK | scratch sandbox for testing a kerberos install? yep, that'll work :D |
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| 19:16.08 | art3mis | Mem: 1004152 975300 28852 0 96444 579668 |
| 19:16.08 | art3mis | -/+ buffers/cache: 299188 704964 |
| 19:16.08 | art3mis | Swap: 2715640 36 2715604 |
| 19:16.15 | art3mis | and thats all it's using |
| 19:16.23 | art3mis | and it's doing everything |
| 19:17.07 | art3mis | ralfWORK: plus this is a screw around server sorta thing |
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| 19:17.16 | art3mis | and those 5 servers will be free for playing |
| 19:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/linode-torrent-seed.png |
| 19:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Whe |
| 19:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | *Whee |
| 19:17.44 | art3mis | if it turns out that it requires more donations for new hardware will be welcome ;P |
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| 19:17.58 | bleeter | art3mis: all servers are screw around kinda things ;) |
| 19:18.07 | art3mis | and it's on a 30/5 pipe |
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| 19:18.14 | art3mis | bleeter: heh yeah |
| 19:18.17 | art3mis | this more so |
| 19:18.27 | art3mis | since im a tech nerd and it's in my house |
| 19:18.32 | bleeter | hides from MentalPower |
| 19:18.40 | bleeter | whistles innocently |
| 19:18.46 | bleeter | MentalPower: Soon |
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| 19:19.28 | MentalPower | bleeter: oh email :) |
| 19:19.31 | art3mis | hrm whats a better cpu choice |
| 19:19.50 | art3mis | an amd64 3000 or a 2.4celeronD |
| 19:19.51 | MentalPower | intel xeons :) |
| 19:19.57 | art3mis | laugh |
| 19:20.04 | art3mis | i hate my office landlord |
| 19:20.12 | MentalPower | why? |
| 19:20.19 | art3mis | he went out and bought a mac |
| 19:20.26 | MentalPower | is that a crime? |
| 19:20.29 | art3mis | dual quadcore xeons |
| 19:20.38 | art3mis | 8gb ram |
| 19:20.43 | art3mis | 3 TB space |
| 19:20.49 | art3mis | 30" cinema display |
| 19:20.56 | MentalPower | nice! |
| 19:21.00 | art3mis | for photoshop |
| 19:21.04 | art3mis | thats it |
| 19:21.05 | MentalPower | lol |
| 19:21.09 | art3mis | thats all he's doing on it |
| 19:21.26 | art3mis | 512 geforce8800 |
| 19:21.33 | art3mis | heh |
| 19:21.41 | art3mis | its a REALLY pretty machine though |
| 19:21.42 | MentalPower | well... you never know when you're going to edit a 50Kx50K image |
| 19:21.45 | MentalPower | :P |
| 19:21.53 | art3mis | i do like the mac cases too |
| 19:22.01 | art3mis | the slide and click drive bays == sex |
| 19:22.33 | ralfWORK | I like my dual G5 |
| 19:22.36 | ralfWORK | so leave me alone :( |
| 19:22.49 | art3mis | dual quadcore 3gig xeons |
| 19:22.55 | art3mis | sighs longingly. |
| 19:23.27 | Shirik | so like |
| 19:23.31 | Shirik | where exactly is the clique menu >< |
| 19:23.37 | End | spellbook |
| 19:23.39 | End | or it was |
| 19:23.42 | art3mis | feel a sharp pain in ye colon? |
| 19:23.43 | cladhaire | spellbook |
| 19:23.44 | End | I haven't used clique in a while |
| 19:24.13 | ralfWORK | shadowpriests alive in here? |
| 19:24.25 | ralfWORK | I'm wondering how good/bad haste *really* is |
| 19:24.34 | art3mis | it's meh |
| 19:24.36 | ralfWORK | I've avoided it thus far |
| 19:24.47 | art3mis | it doesnt effect as nicely as you'd hope |
| 19:24.52 | art3mis | without a fuckton of it |
| 19:25.01 | ralfWORK | it seems worthless to me, pretty much |
| 19:25.19 | ralfWORK | but most of the top rated items according to shadowpriest.com have haste |
| 19:25.20 | art3mis | fastcast from the nog/deviants was awesome when sw:d was instant |
| 19:25.38 | ralfWORK | even at the expense of some spell damage |
| 19:25.43 | art3mis | depends on what yer using it for i think |
| 19:25.55 | art3mis | having haste for vt is handy |
| 19:26.04 | art3mis | and it cuts the mb cast down |
| 19:26.16 | ralfWORK | GCD is 1.5s, correct? |
| 19:26.23 | art3mis | so technically you could pull out a bit more dps with it |
| 19:26.25 | art3mis | nods |
| 19:26.28 | ralfWORK | and instant casts can only be cranked down to 1s GCD |
| 19:26.33 | ralfWORK | sorry, |
| 19:26.45 | ralfWORK | GCD can only be cranked down to 1s through haste, but no more, correct? |
| 19:26.50 | dylanm | Yeah. |
| 19:26.52 | art3mis | nods |
| 19:27.02 | ralfWORK | I don't know how much haste you need to do that |
| 19:27.15 | art3mis | it can effect the sw:d cooldown though |
| 19:27.22 | art3mis | which is always good |
| 19:27.26 | ralfWORK | but it seems like for us, once you reach that, more haste really isn't better |
| 19:27.26 | ralfWORK | oh? |
| 19:27.37 | ralfWORK | same for mindblast I assume? |
| 19:27.52 | art3mis | yeah but mb's is low as is |
| 19:27.57 | ralfWORK | sure |
| 19:28.02 | art3mis | so you'd only get the .5 gain from it |
| 19:28.10 | ralfWORK | dots are unaffected by haste, correct? |
| 19:28.15 | art3mis | which doesnt make that big of a difference |
| 19:28.26 | art3mis | dots are instant except vt |
| 19:28.39 | ralfWORK | art3mis: I meant dot ticks, sorry |
| 19:28.46 | art3mis | nah a tick is a tick |
| 19:28.47 | ralfWORK | i.e. dots won't tick faster with haste |
| 19:28.49 | ralfWORK | ya, k |
| 19:29.23 | ralfWORK | well particularly some of the new badge loot... it has haste, and the items are rated better than what I got... just not sure that I want it yet |
| 19:29.39 | ralfWORK | if a fight goes on more than say 5 minutes, I'm having mana issues |
| 19:29.41 | art3mis | whats yer +spell/shadow? |
| 19:29.51 | ralfWORK | 1112 unbuffed shadow. I do use blessing deck though. |
| 19:30.01 | ralfWORK | and I'm talking ZA, mainly |
| 19:30.10 | art3mis | id' say get 1200-1300 if you can |
| 19:30.12 | ralfWORK | almost nothing in Kara takes more than 5m so far |
| 19:30.23 | ralfWORK | s/so far/at this point/ |
| 19:30.28 | art3mis | then worry about haste |
| 19:30.34 | ralfWORK | mmk |
| 19:30.42 | art3mis | it's not that big of an impact for sp but it's handy |
| 19:30.52 | art3mis | not at the sake of a better ve/vt tick anyways |
| 19:31.10 | ralfWORK | the damage weapon will give me 102 more damage than what I have today, with soulfrost |
| 19:31.17 | art3mis | however once you get yer haste up there... the extra mb every 3 seocnds doe rule ;P |
| 19:31.20 | ralfWORK | (stupid LC mace) |
| 19:33.31 | ralfWORK | stupid question, but how much haste do you need to turn 1.5s GCD into 1s? |
| 19:33.39 | Josh_Borke | lots |
| 19:33.48 | ralfWORK | like, not even possible amounts? |
| 19:34.04 | Josh_Borke | beats me |
| 19:34.26 | ralfWORK | like, you're better off getting a warrior to passive uncrushability? ;) |
| 19:34.29 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, thanks for the poke ... I would have done it earlier, but for my account being accidently deleted >_< |
| 19:34.42 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 19:34.42 | Cairenn | ACK! |
| 19:34.54 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it's fixed now, but ... not good |
| 19:35.33 | Kirkburn | Apparently they were going to upgrade us today, but there were problems :/ |
| 19:37.58 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 19:38.04 | Cairenn | (sorry, was on phone) |
| 19:38.12 | kergoth | yikes |
| 19:39.07 | ralfWORK | hrm |
| 19:39.18 | ralfWORK | I should change my pot rotations |
| 19:39.34 | foxlit | ralfWORK: They quoted it earlier as almost unachievable |
| 19:39.46 | foxlit | Reffering to some other GCD-reducing effects to reach the cap |
| 19:39.49 | ralfWORK | foxlit: kk, was just curious. I'll not consider it then |
| 19:39.55 | ralfWORK | thanks for the heads up |
| 19:39.58 | foxlit | I wonder if NG detracts GCD |
| 19:40.04 | ralfWORK | NG? |
| 19:40.11 | ralfWORK | nature's grace? |
| 19:40.26 | zenzelezz | passive crushability disinterests me... too much avoidance, spikey |
| 19:40.37 | ralfWORK | :) |
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| 19:43.53 | ralfWORK | think I need to frontload more crap so I can get my pot/find CDs faster |
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| 19:50.14 | ZealotOnAStick | How do I get Bongos3 to allow me to right-click self-cast? |
| 19:51.03 | clad|office | lets play the guess what the ugly pattern does game! |
| 19:51.06 | clad|office | n:match("[^%d](1321)[^%d][^\030]*\030([^\030]+)") |
| 19:52.07 | Josh_Borke | <character not a number>(1321)<character not a number><anything but \030 0-?>\030<anything not \030 1-?> |
| 19:52.15 | clad|office | i hate you |
| 19:52.24 | Josh_Borke | what? i'm trying to help |
| 19:52.27 | clad|office | lol |
| 19:52.28 | clad|office | its my pattern |
| 19:52.30 | clad|office | i know what it does |
| 19:52.33 | clad|office | you have to guess its application |
| 19:52.34 | Josh_Borke | it's an ugly pattern |
| 19:52.35 | clad|office | thats the GAME |
| 19:52.44 | clad|office | or make it less ugly |
| 19:52.45 | Josh_Borke | wtf is up with the 1321? |
| 19:52.46 | clad|office | thas another game |
| 19:52.50 | clad|office | oh |
| 19:52.53 | clad|office | that was a test number |
| 19:52.54 | clad|office | sorry :P |
| 19:52.57 | clad|office | its a known value |
| 19:52.58 | Josh_Borke | well GEEZE |
| 19:53.02 | clad|office | haha |
| 19:53.10 | Josh_Borke | game is rigged imo |
| 19:53.49 | Josh_Borke | the ugly pattern looks for stuff after a \030 (whatever that is) |
| 19:59.36 | Sixen | zZ |
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| 20:03.51 | foxlit | clad: |
| 20:03.57 | foxlit | [^%d] is ugly |
| 20:04.01 | cladhaire | %D is not |
| 20:04.02 | cladhaire | i know |
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| 20:06.27 | Duman | hrm |
| 20:06.41 | Duman | I'm not liking the inability to have multiple combat log windows at once |
| 20:06.48 | Duman | but I guess I'll adapt |
| 20:07.08 | Duman | (unless I'm missing something) |
| 20:07.20 | foxlit | You can addon them in, at least |
| 20:07.45 | Duman | oh? hmm |
| 20:08.00 | Sixen | "Duman's Combat Log Add-on"... I can see it now. |
| 20:08.11 | Duman | haha |
| 20:08.19 | Sixen | :P |
| 20:16.33 | Lunessa | needs to get off his lazy ass and write something useful code-wise soon. |
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| 20:19.44 | foxlit | "Faust: it's a small price to pay" |
| 20:20.37 | foxlit | Scan everyone's gear, do some heavy theorycraft, rearrange raid group |
| 20:22.34 | schnoggo | "rearrange raid group" == "kick the idiots in green?" |
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| 20:25.57 | foxlit | There are a lot of subtle tweaks you could do |
| 20:26.13 | Duman | uh.. wtf |
| 20:26.23 | Duman | all my tags got hozed for things like cowtip |
| 20:26.24 | Duman | hmm |
| 20:27.09 | Cide | does anyone know why IE's text highlighting would be messed up on a page? |
| 20:27.32 | foxlit | [http://www.youtube.com/user/googletechtalks awesome] |
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| 20:35.39 | Josh_Borke | there's only one person there in the first video |
| 20:35.43 | Josh_Borke | ok, 2 |
| 20:36.13 | foxlit | as in, in audience? |
| 20:36.18 | Josh_Borke | yea |
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| 20:37.19 | Theta | It's probably already been brought up, but I just wanted to let you guys know that QuestHelper has been updated to 0.39 with a TOC = 20400. |
| 20:38.17 | foxlit | Something pretty horrible is going on to my youtube connection |
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| 20:45.10 | ZealotOnAStick | What would be giving these errors: "[2008/03/25 16:41:33-990-x1]: <string>:"RBOptions_CBX_DisplayToggle:OnLoad":1: attempt to index a nil value" ? |
| 20:46.20 | Duman | ok, something is jacked w/ DogTags... or something |
| 20:46.21 | Duman | wtf |
| 20:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 20:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Doomhammer goes up... |
| 20:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | .... Doomhammer goes down |
| 20:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | HARD |
| 20:46.42 | ralfWORK | oh damn |
| 20:46.46 | Duman | crashboombang |
| 20:46.53 | ralfWORK | I was worried about that |
| 20:47.02 | ralfWORK | was hoping it would go smooth, but I knew better :( |
| 20:47.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Something to do with over 700 people in the middle of Shatt |
| 20:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | At the same time |
| 20:47.28 | ralfWORK | :) |
| 20:48.22 | ralfWORK | hey, you guys seen the bug/exploit/whatever where people have like a thousand copies of the same non-combat pet following them around? |
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| 20:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Haven't seen it, but I've heard of it |
| 20:48.35 | ralfWORK | (speaking of shat being slow) |
| 20:48.44 | ZealotOnAStick | ahh, found it, RecipeBook |
| 20:48.52 | ralfWORK | last time a guy ran past me with that, my system dropped to like .4 FPS :( |
| 20:50.01 | Duman | [2008/03/25 13:19:59-475-x1]: LibDogTag-3.0\LibDogTag-3.0.lua:296: assertion failed! |
| 20:50.02 | Duman | hmm |
| 20:50.27 | Duman | wtf |
| 20:50.39 | Duman | local unit_pet = unit .. "pet" |
| 20:50.45 | Duman | that's line 296 |
| 20:50.45 | Duman | heh |
| 20:50.55 | Duman | scratches his head |
| 20:51.45 | Lopeppeppy | Try updating Dogtag by itself? |
| 20:52.50 | Duman | ZealotOnAStick: something is jacked w/ RecipeBook |
| 20:53.15 | Duman | peppy: they are embedded w/ cowtip and pitbull (same version) - and appears to be the latest |
| 20:53.37 | ckknight | Duman: I just fixed that |
| 20:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, there you are then. ck rules the party |
| 20:53.54 | Duman | haha k |
| 20:53.58 | Duman | ck: word |
| 20:54.12 | ckknight | "yo" |
| 20:54.24 | art3mis | woo |
| 20:54.27 | art3mis | i got the job! |
| 20:54.32 | Duman | updates |
| 20:54.39 | art3mis | just gotta fill out paperwork and i start monday ;) |
| 20:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah, art3mis! What happened to 2 weeks notice though? |
| 20:54.58 | Cairenn | art3mis: YAY |
| 20:54.58 | art3mis | 2 weeks notice? |
| 20:55.03 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: self-employed |
| 20:55.18 | art3mis | i have my own company ;P i wanna learn new thing though so i got a job ;P |
| 20:57.37 | Lopeppeppy | Then I'm totally excited for you! |
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| 20:59.46 | Tem | Felblood Initialtes need to spawn faster |
| 21:00.05 | Sixen | Grats artemis, :p. |
| 21:02.56 | art3mis | me too |
| 21:03.02 | art3mis | this is the bacon friday plce! |
| 21:03.23 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:03.25 | Maldivia | Hmm... Honot gain, which category in the new chatframe settings does that fall under? |
| 21:03.31 | Maldivia | honor* |
| 21:05.24 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Shadowed |
| 21:05.24 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to Shadowed, and goes postal |
| 21:06.27 | Dotted | is away (kd3 - whee squid just went splat) |
| 21:06.49 | MentalPower | Dotted: thats annoying |
| 21:07.00 | MentalPower | please turn the auto-away off |
| 21:07.25 | Cide | agreed |
| 21:07.33 | Cide | Dotoff: turn that off please |
| 21:07.52 | nevcairiel | Dotoff is off, i doubt he'll answer now |
| 21:08.01 | kergoth | like the nick change isnt enough |
| 21:08.04 | kergoth | need the announcement too |
| 21:08.11 | MentalPower | no, but he'll see it in his pings |
| 21:09.06 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/realhomer.jpg |
| 21:09.39 | MentalPower | oh wow |
| 21:11.05 | Sixen | Roflmao? |
| 21:11.48 | Sixen | KD3, there's only 4 posts on the 1st page of your 2.4 thread. |
| 21:11.50 | Sixen | That's win. |
| 21:16.18 | Cide | interesting.. curse wants me to email them a summary of all features ctprofiles has -- I wonder what for? |
| 21:16.28 | Cide | maybe they want to copy it for their own profiling site |
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| 21:19.47 | MentalPower | oh crap, nice timing |
| 21:20.37 | MentalPower | so my country's ccTLD (.pr) registrar just sent out a test email to everyone that has ever requested one, and the bouncebacks are starting to come in... |
| 21:22.22 | Tem | lol |
| 21:23.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 21:28.21 | MentalPower | kd3: is the IF -> Sunwell port still up? |
| 21:28.39 | batrick | Shirik: what you do in windows defines is your business :P |
| 21:29.04 | batrick | I noticed that C++ crap but figured windows was just injecting it's nastiness into C |
| 21:29.27 | batrick | C++ crap = new and delete operators |
| 21:29.56 | Shirik | C++ new and delete is god! |
| 21:30.12 | batrick | no thanks |
| 21:30.32 | Shirik | malloc lawl |
| 21:30.39 | Shirik | let's have one function for EVERYTHING |
| 21:30.44 | batrick | damn fucking right |
| 21:31.45 | zenzelezz | stop being so nazi about it |
| 21:31.56 | zenzelezz | they both call the same basic functions, the compiler just translates it |
| 21:32.31 | batrick | you can't reason with shirik |
| 21:32.42 | zenzelezz | I'm on the C++ side of this |
| 21:32.48 | Josh_Borke | ~failrik |
| 21:32.48 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:32.54 | zenzelezz | but your argument over new/delete vs. malloc/free is pretty silly |
| 21:33.02 | batrick | i don't have an argument |
| 21:33.10 | batrick | other than I don't like C++ |
| 21:33.43 | Duman | hmm, yeah... RecipeBook is jacked, haha |
| 21:33.58 | Duman | altho I'm wondering if there is a better addon that is similar... RB is coded weirdly, it seems |
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| 21:37.56 | Maldivia | arghh |
| 21:37.56 | Duman | ck, I'm still getting this when I try to click "help" for tags in cowtip: |
| 21:37.57 | Duman | [2008/03/25 14:37:22-478-x1]: CowTip-3.0r65841\Text\Text.lua:605: attempt to call method 'OpenHelp' (a nil value) |
| 21:38.12 | Duman | plz let me know if I'm just retarded. |
| 21:38.25 | batrick | cladhaire: why are you capturing 1321 every time? |
| 21:38.34 | cladhaire | i'm not |
| 21:38.35 | cladhaire | and wasn't |
| 21:38.37 | cladhaire | as i explained. |
| 21:38.46 | batrick | guess i should read more |
| 21:39.07 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 21:40.12 | Pac | is there a chans list for this server? |
| 21:41.09 | batrick | cladhaire: maybe i'm just dense but I don't get it lol (and I don't see where you explained it) |
| 21:41.16 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.16 | cladhaire | it was a hardcoded number |
| 21:41.19 | cladhaire | that would be swapped out |
| 21:41.25 | cladhaire | the pattern built dynamically |
| 21:41.25 | kd3 | whee, instance server just crashed |
| 21:41.39 | Duman | kd3: that always brings joy |
| 21:41.55 | kd3 | in the middle of the last pull before kael too. yay |
| 21:41.56 | batrick | hmm ok |
| 21:43.30 | Maldivia | arghh.... whispers and guild chat is forced onto chatframe1 on reload |
| 21:43.54 | Maldivia | how annoying |
| 21:44.05 | kd3 | damn it, medivh. let me get past the login screen |
| 21:44.29 | Maldivia | just as I though it was bad enough the new combat log was hardcoded to be chatframe2 |
| 21:45.47 | Pac | Cairenn: thnx fir the Chanserv help info |
| 21:45.56 | Cairenn | Pac: you're welcome :) |
| 21:46.00 | Pac | for* |
| 21:46.52 | kd3 | whee |
| 21:46.56 | NightHawkTheSane | "It's O'Neill, with two Ls. There's another Colonel O'Neil, with one L. He has no sense of humor." |
| 21:47.00 | kd3 | instance reset. not in a party. logged in in SMV |
| 21:47.01 | kd3 | fun stuff |
| 21:47.06 | Duman | heh |
| 21:47.35 | kd3 | whee "A character with that name already exists" |
| 21:47.41 | kd3 | welcome back to a long, long time ago... |
| 21:48.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:53.01 | kd3 | damn it... going to have to page a GM to save me |
| 21:53.18 | kd3 | I fear the GM queue |
| 21:53.18 | Maldivia | kd3: waiting 5 minutes isn't enough? |
| 21:53.50 | kd3 | I've been on an alt and chilling for the past 5 |
| 21:53.59 | Maldivia | hmm, ok |
| 21:56.20 | Pac | lol iv been waiting for the update to download for the parst 1.5hr dam this |
| 21:56.34 | Pac | 97% |
| 21:57.15 | Adys | This is a bit of a broad question, but is there any solid guide on creating GUIs with wow's api? it's just for a quick, dirty addon, so nothing extreme |
| 21:57.53 | Lunessa | Adys: http://home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow/uitutorial/ |
| 21:58.07 | Adys | sperfect :) cheers |
| 21:59.22 | Maldivia | so can anyone tell me where chat_msg_guild/whisper etc gets forced registered on ChatFrame1 ? |
| 21:59.39 | MentalPower | ok, whats the secondary way to get to quel'danas? |
| 21:59.46 | Theta | Any good replacment for ArkInventory that's working for 20400? |
| 22:00.14 | Maldivia | MentalPower: FP, summon or portal (when that phase is reached) |
| 22:00.49 | MentalPower | I didn't have the ZA FP, so I didn't get the SW one |
| 22:01.13 | Maldivia | you should have the FP from IF? |
| 22:01.29 | kergoth | the quest says to go to if or darn, iirc |
| 22:02.00 | kd3 | port to IF |
| 22:02.10 | kd3 | they left the insta-flight in, oddly |
| 22:03.13 | nevcairiel | they did? |
| 22:03.15 | nevcairiel | how odd |
| 22:03.23 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds like an oversight. |
| 22:03.39 | nevcairiel | the 15minute flight was crazy anyway |
| 22:03.41 | nevcairiel | but still odd |
| 22:04.24 | NightHawkTheSane | no less crazy than their other so-long-you-go-afk flight paths. |
| 22:05.44 | MentalPower | kd3: I don't have the FP location |
| 22:05.55 | kd3 | did you pick up the two quests in shattrath? |
| 22:06.28 | MentalPower | hmm... no |
| 22:06.30 | MentalPower | where? |
| 22:06.39 | kd3 | one next to a'dal, one on the scryer/aldor terrace |
| 22:06.41 | nevcairiel | central hall, iirc |
| 22:08.10 | Lunessa | Has someone already figured out/posted what the thresholds are for making new vendors, etc available? |
| 22:08.30 | nevcairiel | thats rather hard to figure out, i assume |
| 22:09.18 | kd3 | I've got the whole timeline on the wiki... http://www.wowwiki.com/Shattered_Sun_Offensive#Quests |
| 22:09.23 | Lunessa | Just wondering. Purely intellectual curiosity. |
| 22:09.26 | kd3 | how long it'll take depends on the amount of dailies people do |
| 22:09.39 | Lunessa | Thanks KD3. You're the MAN. |
| 22:10.12 | Lunessa | Very similar to the AQ event, only smarter. |
| 22:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | kd3 is the royalty of wonder. |
| 22:17.08 | cladhaire | LightHeaded updated: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html |
| 22:17.16 | Lunessa | Well, I don't know as I'd go so far as that, but I'd say a "bubba-Hotep" at least. :) |
| 22:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, cladhaire. |
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| 22:20.49 | cladhaire | it shoudl work in any locale now |
| 22:20.50 | cladhaire | by the way :P |
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| 22:24.40 | Duman | wtf |
| 22:24.45 | Duman | clearcasting sound is gone? |
| 22:24.51 | Duman | not cool. |
| 22:27.42 | Lunessa | KD3 - thanks a lot for compiling that article - it'll make a great reference for my guildees who are chomping at the bit for some of that badge loot. |
| 22:30.37 | Shirik | wow @ that 5 man |
| 22:30.55 | Shirik | the kil'jaeden fight is no joke, even on heroic |
| 22:31.01 | Shirik | wow |
| 22:31.01 | kd3 | KT? no kidding |
| 22:31.03 | Shirik | wtf did I say that for |
| 22:31.05 | Shirik | KT |
| 22:31.25 | Shirik | er, and |
| 22:31.27 | Shirik | even on normal |
| 22:31.33 | Shirik | wow I completely screwed that up |
| 22:32.48 | Lunessa | Put the crack pipe down, and back away slowly. Put your hands in the air and keep them visible at all times. Make no sudden movements Shirik - we're doing this because we love you. |
| 22:33.46 | Dezzimal | so uh |
| 22:33.55 | Dezzimal | how do you turn off the annoying warning screen edge flash |
| 22:34.03 | Dezzimal | with omen |
| 22:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet theres an option for it |
| 22:34.22 | kergoth | go into its options, and click the screen edge flash under the alerts? |
| 22:34.26 | kergoth | not hard to find |
| 22:34.34 | kergoth | interface options -> addons -> omen -> alerts |
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| 22:36.14 | Dezzimal | omen isn't under addons in interface options |
| 22:36.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, its rough working from home today, and having nothing stopping me from just playing wow all day long other than my work ethic. |
| 22:36.54 | Dezzimal | NightHawkTheSane: there is an option for it, and I did turn it off |
| 22:37.03 | Dezzimal | but it doesn't actually do anything :/ |
| 22:37.57 | kergoth | oh, right, /open config -> modules -> single target mode -> Warnings, sorry, mixing up my addon configs |
| 22:38.51 | Dezzimal | yeah I did that |
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| 22:39.00 | Dezzimal | but its still flashing the fuck out of me when I'm tanking |
| 22:39.09 | Dezzimal | making my eyes bleed |
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| 22:42.18 | Shirik | ..... |
| 22:42.21 | Shirik | 730 mp5 while not casting |
| 22:42.25 | Shirik | 300 while casting |
| 22:42.28 | Shirik | that's kinda insane |
| 22:42.34 | Shirik | considering I'm usually out of the 5SR |
| 22:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, nerf priests. >< |
| 22:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | You're a god, Shirik |
| 22:43.28 | NightHawkTheSane | is that buffed, Shirik ? |
| 22:43.39 | Shirik | only self buffed + gift of the wild |
| 22:43.44 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 22:44.05 | Shirik | I have 600 spirit |
| 22:44.17 | Shirik | They laughed at me when I stacked spirit |
| 22:44.22 | Shirik | But who is laughing now!!! |
| 22:44.25 | NightHawkTheSane | what gear level? |
| 22:44.25 | Cide | I am |
| 22:44.26 | Cide | hahaha. |
| 22:44.32 | Shirik | die |
| 22:44.41 | Shirik | I don't know, I don't have a tool to check that |
| 22:44.44 | Duman | oh yeah, spirit buff |
| 22:44.47 | Duman | forgot about that |
| 22:44.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: er, eh? i mean just generally |
| 22:45.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:45.11 | Shirik | ZAish |
| 22:45.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, so maybe t4/t5ish? |
| 22:45.40 | Shirik | yeah, though ironically I use no t4/t5 gear |
| 22:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | .. man, i gotta slap our priests if they keep hogging the spriest now. |
| 22:46.01 | Shirik | though we're going to MH tonight |
| 22:46.12 | Shirik | we're a BT clearing guild I'm just... far behind |
| 22:46.20 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 22:46.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I think, fully raid buffed, I might get ~400 mana per 5.. |
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| 22:47.27 | Shirik | class? |
| 22:47.32 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman |
| 22:47.48 | NightHawkTheSane | in mostly t5 level gear |
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| 22:50.11 | batrick | that's rediculous |
| 22:50.18 | batrick | anyone know what the mana regen is for a pvp mage? |
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| 23:01.20 | Duman | hmm |
| 23:01.29 | Duman | I guess I need to run sct until parrot is updated |
| 23:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | looks around and doesn't have any more boxes to pack. |
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| 23:20.15 | cog|work | anyone have an exhaustive list of the new combat log events? |
| 23:21.02 | cog|work | (and yes, unlike exalted, exhausted has both an H and a U) |
| 23:21.34 | dylanm | No one questioned your spelling :p |
| 23:21.37 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_Details |
| 23:23.10 | Cide | Maldivia: ping |
| 23:23.51 | cog|work | dylanm: doesn't mean i can't preemptively question theirs ;) |
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| 23:32.01 | p3lim | ive heard talking about a program that lets you update all addons from wowi, wowace svn etc in 1 program, anyone know about this? |
| 23:32.27 | dylanm | WUU or something. |
| 23:32.43 | dylanm | http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
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| 23:38.38 | p3lim | thanks |
| 23:39.51 | Kyrin | ckknight: I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for CowTip, Cartographer, and FuBar, thanks, so much. |
| 23:40.47 | Corrodias | ckknight only talks when you say the secret password! |
| 23:40.48 | Pac | nite |
| 23:41.07 | Pac | woops rong server |
| 23:41.41 | Kyrin | I'm out anyway, time to go home and begin the scrying of the patch... |
| 23:41.58 | Maldivia | cidE: pong |
| 23:42.34 | Cide | Maldivia: did you improve on the events list for the combat log any? I think you made one, right? |
| 23:43.01 | Maldivia | Not really, no - didn't find anything extra |
| 23:43.19 | Maldivia | the few things that I wanted to test, I couldn't :) |
| 23:46.33 | Cide | ah, alright |
| 23:46.34 | Cide | thanks |
| 23:46.43 | Corrodias | come on, blizzard downloader, downloader faster. |
| 23:49.44 | Cide | anyone here who knows stuff about postfix (mail server)? |
| 23:56.43 | Josh_Borke | sure cide, i can try to help |
| 23:56.52 | Cide | I need to figure out how to hook it so I can process incoming email with python |
| 23:57.13 | Josh_Borke | for a specific user or all users? |
| 23:57.26 | Cide | well, I only need it for a specific email address |
| 23:57.31 | Cide | but either way works |
| 23:59.10 | Josh_Borke | well, you can do it the easy way |
| 23:59.33 | Josh_Borke | and do user: "|<executable to pipe into>" in /etc/aliases |
| 23:59.45 | Josh_Borke | then run newaliases |
