| 00:00.40 | Gollum | Seerah: Incompatible and EU-Bloodhoof |
| 00:01.10 | Seerah | sorry, which version? I'm assuming live, though |
| 00:01.23 | Seerah | 2.3.3 |
| 00:01.34 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity, did you try removing the space between the keywords and the colon? ("## Interface: 20300" instead of "## Interface : 20300") No idea if it matter |
| 00:01.40 | Gollum | yeah live which is...err...2.3.3.7799 |
| 00:02.21 | Gollum | Zenzelezz: just trying |
| 00:02.42 | Gollum | yay...no more error :D |
| 00:02.44 | Gollum | thc |
| 00:02.46 | Gollum | thx* |
| 00:03.07 | Seerah | it shouldn't matter |
| 00:03.13 | Seerah | ohh wait |
| 00:03.16 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't have thought so |
| 00:03.18 | Seerah | remove - not add >< |
| 00:03.18 | zenzelezz | but apparently it did |
| 00:03.36 | Gollum | it changed it :P |
| 00:03.55 | Cairenn | Yeah, I was going to say, I've never seen a .toc that had those spaces in it, so not surprised it works with them removed |
| 00:04.30 | Gollum | im looking at a tutorial on a forum and it had those spaces in :P |
| 00:04.56 | Cairenn | glad it was that easy to fix though :) |
| 00:05.19 | Gollum | :-) |
| 00:06.39 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/ui/notepad/12/CCG |
| 00:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | Gollum, was it a forum that maybe someone here has input to get that error fixed, so no one else gets frogged by it? |
| 00:06.53 | foxlit | It's evil :( |
| 00:07.16 | Gollum | forums.worldofwar.net |
| 00:07.27 | foxlit | I'm contemplating adding simple algebraic expressions, but that might confuse things even further with atoms :( |
| 00:07.31 | Gollum | the UI/Mod Developer Forum, its the top sticky :P |
| 00:09.10 | Gollum | someone else has posted their code there for the .toc file with the spaces and says that that code works fine (They did not refer directly to the spaces though) |
| 00:10.03 | Gollum | http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=375691 There is the link...the post was written by a user called 'Klishu' and I cant see one in the irc room |
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| 00:10.54 | Lopeppeppy | huggles |Jelly| |
| 00:10.59 | Seerah | Gollum: if you don't have it bookmarked yet, http://www.wowwiki.com |
| 00:11.09 | Gollum | yep Ive got that one :D |
| 00:11.32 | Seerah | I'd go there first for tutorials, info on TOC format, functions, lua, etc. |
| 00:11.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, what Seerah said. |
| 00:11.54 | Seerah | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_TOC_Format |
| 00:12.55 | Gollum | Ive done a bit of programming before and found addons that were slowing down my WoW annoying because they did more than I needed them to so I decided to look into writing my own :D |
| 00:13.10 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 00:16.18 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/22/funny-pictures-i-care-about-ur-problemz/ |
| 00:16.21 | Dotted | is away (kd3 - whee squid just went splat) |
| 00:17.02 | Cairenn | awwwwww, nice kitteh! |
| 00:17.24 | Cairenn | that's actually a gorgeous picture, all joking aside |
| 00:17.35 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 00:17.37 | Cairenn | look at those wonderful green eyes |
| 00:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | Beautiful fur baby |
| 00:18.53 | Dotted | is away (kd3 - whee squid just went splat) |
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| 00:22.41 | Gollum | bye :-) Ill probably come back when I cant do something else :P |
| 00:22.51 | Cairenn | you'll be welcome :) |
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| 00:55.34 | Amarande | !c us turalyon thumperalso |
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| 01:06.22 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://ursulav.deviantart.com/art/Very-Minor-Demon-80715007 |
| 01:06.52 | Cairenn | hehehe, cute |
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| 01:50.22 | Atriace | So, what do you think the chances are the patch comes out the 25th? |
| 01:50.38 | Seerah | likely |
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| 02:02.16 | Guillotine | So someone wrote a thread about ways to prank people with the UI. I posted one simple one (crashing them due to strings all being evaluated as true), but I decided to remove my other one so I wouldn't be forum banned. You guys think it would be ok if I included: "/script for a in pairs(_G) do _G[a]=nil end" in the thread? |
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| 02:06.36 | Guillotine | Someone bump please --> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5464368078&sid=1 |
| 02:08.22 | Atriace | Why don't you? |
| 02:08.54 | zenzelezz | self-bumping usually doesn't work as well as other-people bumping |
| 02:09.25 | Guillotine | Yup |
| 02:09.34 | Guillotine | Also, I want it to at least look like other people care |
| 02:09.48 | Guillotine | (Actually, it really is an addition that would make quite a few people happy) |
| 02:10.31 | Atriace | (actually, it would make me happy too). |
| 02:11.36 | Shirik|AFK | what's the 2.4 badge mace called? |
| 02:12.17 | Guillotine | [Mace of 2.4 Leetness]? |
| 02:12.22 | dylanm | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34896 |
| 02:27.28 | kd3 | 2.4 badge loot: http://www.wowwiki.com/Smith_Hauthaa |
| 02:27.59 | Shirik|AFK | <3 |
| 02:29.37 | zenzelezz | is that all the new badge stuff? |
| 02:29.57 | kd3 | short of the gems sold by Mar'nah, yah |
| 02:31.02 | Shirik|AFK | That page is apparently wrong |
| 02:31.09 | Shirik | with regards to the questline statements |
| 02:31.51 | Shirik | it conflicts with the page on the quest "Making Ready" |
| 02:32.00 | kd3 | she spawns when we retake the armory. she doesn't offer her wares until making ready's been done |
| 02:32.11 | kd3 | working on that page now, actually |
| 02:36.11 | Shirik | ooh pretty |
| 02:36.13 | Shirik | new alchemist's sotnes |
| 02:36.17 | Shirik | didn't know about those... |
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| 02:50.35 | kd3 | there. take a look at the wiki page now. should be a bit more clear |
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| 03:14.45 | Cairenn | huggles MentalPower |
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| 03:15.25 | Cairenn | huggles cogwheel |
| 03:16.14 | cogwheel | huggles back |
| 03:16.39 | MentalPower | huggles Cairenn |
| 03:16.45 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 03:16.48 | cogwheel | huggles..... nah |
| 03:16.59 | MentalPower | :P |
| 03:17.03 | cogwheel | sorry mp :P |
| 03:17.04 | MentalPower | brb, food |
| 03:27.48 | kergoth | anyone know of an addon to remind my forgetful ass to shut aspect of the pack the hell off on entering combat? :P |
| 03:29.01 | sacarasc | heh, silly huntard |
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| 03:29.08 | dylanm | Could probably change a couple things in DazeOfOurLives. |
| 03:29.17 | Cairenn | hand one, hang on a sec |
| 03:30.02 | Cairenn | NO idea if it still works or not: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6212-AntiDaze.html |
| 03:30.44 | Amarande | ok, how do you get over to the crimson part of stratholme solo without dying, on a non-stealth class? |
| 03:30.57 | Amarande | I tried, can't get past that one place with the two gates that spawn rats |
| 03:31.09 | Amarande | or do you l2level a rogue to get your righteous orbs? |
| 03:31.48 | kd3 | holy water? |
| 03:31.58 | Amarande | kd3: righteous orbs for crusader enchant |
| 03:32.02 | kd3 | or any other form of aoe to kill the rats |
| 03:32.13 | Amarande | warlock only has pushbackable forms of aeo |
| 03:32.38 | Amarande | or should I just l2pay at AH? |
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| 03:33.40 | Amarande | I'm gonna assume that even if I got a group, needing on mats is considered unethical ninjaing |
| 03:35.34 | Hjalte | Amarande: What lvl are you? As far as I remember, those rats were really easy to kill, as a holy priest doing Holy Nova at lvl 60. |
| 03:35.48 | Amarande | 70 |
| 03:36.17 | sacarasc | get a nice friend to help you |
| 03:36.22 | Amarande | Affliction lock, I have 2 forms of AoE I can think of ... Hellfire, which will just help me die faster, and Rain of Fire which is useless because it will be pushbacked out of existence before it even ticks |
| 03:36.43 | sacarasc | strath can be easily 2 manned at level 70 |
| 03:36.50 | Hjalte | Amarande: Seed is the best aoe you have. Get one off and then wand that target or something. When it goes off, everything dies. |
| 03:37.58 | Amarande | should even be soloable, at least the living part, -assuming you can get there- |
| 03:38.06 | Hjalte | Amarande: If you're having trouble getting it off because of rats interrupting you, you could try and get the voids shield on you before going in. |
| 03:38.17 | Amarande | aggro radius is next to nil at 70, you basically have to step on one of the undead to get aggro |
| 03:38.34 | Amarande | Tried that, the shield goes away like nothing |
| 03:38.46 | Amarande | they seem to have smart-rats too |
| 03:38.55 | Cairenn | huggles Esamynn|Away |
| 03:39.02 | Amarande | you send the voidwalker in to fight them? half of them aggro on you instead, even if you weren't in aggro when you ordered it to attack |
| 03:39.50 | Hjalte | Amarande: If I weren't writing this very important report, I'd go and test it myself. Sending in the void might do, just do as many seed of corruptions as you can before it dies, eventually shielding yourself just before it dies, and then just do enough damage to have one of the seeds detonate. |
| 03:46.09 | zenzelezz | as a prot warrior you can (very slowly) solo just about all of human Stratholme, only very difficult part is the cannoneer wing (with the packs of 2-3 healers) |
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| 03:47.17 | zenzelezz | sadly I can't seem to solo the baron in undead :-/ |
| 03:47.27 | Hjalte | Give warlocks plate tbh. |
| 03:48.04 | zenzelezz | sure, the same day my warrior gets Seed of Corruption |
| 03:48.28 | Amarande | actually, perhaps locks should have a little better armor |
| 03:48.51 | Hjalte | At least I feel pretty stupid when facing this rogue who just stun locks me to death. |
| 03:48.52 | Amarande | remember, the FotM strategy in arena is 'zerg the lock' and it seems to work a tad too well |
| 03:49.19 | zenzelezz | plate doesn't save you from stunlocking |
| 03:49.37 | Hjalte | Nope, but it saves you from a lot of the damage :) |
| 03:49.47 | zenzelezz | not as much as you might think |
| 03:50.00 | Amarande | also, armor penetration, sunder, executioner etc. have a lot less DPS boost vs. plate than cloth |
| 03:50.41 | Amarande | so I guess apparently the real QQ comes down more to that executioner is OP than anything else, maybe? |
| 03:55.27 | Shirik | is there a good make tool that can be used for Windows? |
| 03:55.32 | Shirik | cygwin is not an option |
| 03:55.41 | MentalPower | nmake |
| 03:55.52 | MentalPower | or mingw's make |
| 03:57.49 | kd3 | ahaha and ouch... http://www.shortpacked.com/ |
| 03:59.07 | Shirik | <3 MentalPower |
| 03:59.30 | Shirik | anyone on windows xp atm? |
| 03:59.55 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 03:59.59 | MentalPower | Shirik: I have a winxp VM I can fire up |
| 04:00.07 | Shirik | nm :P |
| 04:00.10 | Shirik | my friend just typed it wrong |
| 04:08.53 | Amarande | LOL |
| 04:09.00 | Amarande | this comment I"m reading on wowhead ... Epic fail. |
| 04:09.15 | Cide | s/ic/och/ |
| 04:09.21 | Amarande | Someone got the Sha'tari Skyguard quest to go kill Gordunni ogres and guess what they did? |
| 04:10.19 | Amarande | apparently they somehow got it in their head that the ones in Feralas would do heh |
| 04:12.03 | Cide | nice. that's more of an epoch fail than anything, however |
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| 04:18.03 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 04:18.14 | Amarande | does pushback resistance get affected by level, or am I just seeing random coincidence? |
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| 04:18.49 | zenzelezz | pushback resistance? |
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| 04:23.24 | Amarande | zenzelezz: abilities that say "X% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage" |
| 04:23.42 | Amarande | do yellow and higher level mobs have a higher chance to bypass that, or is that just luck? |
| 04:25.21 | Guillotine | just luck |
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| 04:57.37 | dylanm | Xinhuan your patience is incredible. |
| 04:57.51 | Xinhuan | i just happen to be coding other things |
| 04:58.05 | Xinhuan | actually i lied, i'm just waiting 5 minutes for some 300 ore to smelt |
| 04:58.28 | Xinhuan | [Guild]: Hint: You will go afk smelting 300 ore |
| 04:58.36 | Xinhuan | [Guild]: 5 minutes is hardly a grind |
| 04:58.51 | Xinhuan | [Guild]: And how much time did you take to farm all that? |
| 04:58.56 | Xinhuan | [Guild]: About 1 minute off the AH |
| 05:08.41 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if thorium would be a good way to make 5000g for my epic mount |
| 05:08.50 | Amarande | like, just ride around burning steppes all day lol |
| 05:09.42 | Shirik | wtf is while(<>) { |
| 05:12.14 | zenzelezz | while more or less... |
| 05:12.20 | dylanm | <> is just whatever input it got. If you fed it a file it'll do that, if not it'll take some input or whatever you piped and... it's perlllll biatch |
| 05:13.19 | batrick | hmm |
| 05:13.41 | dylanm | http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/learn/ch06_02.htm |
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| 05:17.51 | MentalPower | while(<>) {} (in perl) == while (file:hasNextLine()) { String line = file:nextLine(); } (in Java with Scanner) == for line in io.lines() do ... end (in Lua) |
| 05:17.55 | MentalPower | Shirik: ^^^^ |
| 05:18.10 | Shirik | thanks |
| 05:18.33 | Wobin | perl is of the devil |
| 05:18.35 | Wobin | THE DEVIL |
| 05:18.54 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:18.55 | Wobin | Clearly a language never designed to be read, only written |
| 05:19.01 | Amarande | Doom Lord Kazzak's voice sounds familiar |
| 05:19.02 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:19.08 | Shirik | these people outside scryer bank have like 50 million pets out |
| 05:19.11 | Shirik | how did they do that? |
| 05:19.11 | Amarande | like I've heard him from another game, but I can't quite place it |
| 05:19.14 | Wobin | desynching |
| 05:19.15 | Amarande | Shirik: which server? |
| 05:19.20 | Shirik | Drenden |
| 05:19.20 | Wobin | it's fairly easy |
| 05:19.23 | MentalPower | Shirik: tho the Java one needs like 10million init lines before it :P |
| 05:19.23 | Wobin | as a hunter |
| 05:19.27 | Wobin | or warlock |
| 05:19.32 | Amarande | ahh, definitely not Turalyon, since I was just at Scryer Bank |
| 05:19.38 | Wobin | or anyone with the dreamwalking potion |
| 05:19.42 | Shirik | they're paladins, druids |
| 05:19.53 | Wobin | they're using the potion then |
| 05:20.09 | Wobin | what class are you? |
| 05:21.10 | Shirik | priest |
| 05:21.37 | Wobin | hm, unless you get a willing participant to mind vision, you'll need the dreamwalking potion |
| 05:21.58 | Wobin | actually I'm not sure if mindvisioning will work |
| 05:22.13 | Wobin | basically you 'eyes of the beast/killrog/dreamwalk' while in the bank |
| 05:22.19 | Wobin | then run out of shatt over the bridge |
| 05:22.31 | Wobin | You'll see the guard phase out then back in again |
| 05:22.51 | Wobin | Then you're server desynched, drop the spell, pop out as many pets as you'd like |
| 05:22.57 | Wobin | then walk out of the bank to resynch |
| 05:23.11 | Wobin | the number of times you activated the pets, will be the number that appear |
| 05:23.17 | Wobin | It horribly horribly horribly lags Shatt though |
| 05:23.58 | Shirik | yeah that explains my low fps |
| 05:24.11 | Shirik | or do you really mean lag |
| 05:24.39 | Shirik | predicts a nobin coming in |
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| 05:25.08 | Wobin | What was that? =P |
| 05:25.14 | Shirik | a good friend of mine :) |
| 05:25.20 | Shirik | even if his programming is sub-par |
| 05:25.28 | Wobin | We can't all be perfect =) |
| 05:25.29 | Shirik | he asked me what the command was to join a channel, he deserved it |
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| 05:25.43 | Wobin | What, you didn't tell him /quit ? |
| 05:25.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:25.54 | Shirik | he's not stupid he wouldn't have fallen for that |
| 05:26.01 | Wobin | Well that's how you boot someone off the channel /quit <username> |
| 05:26.09 | nobin | no i ain't stubid |
| 05:26.09 | Shirik | hi nobin |
| 05:26.19 | nobin | kill -9 |
| 05:26.35 | Shirik | Andrew has recently discovered perl |
| 05:26.40 | nobin | gaim does not do irc very well at all |
| 05:26.42 | Wobin | poor boy |
| 05:26.50 | nobin | perl is coll |
| 05:26.53 | Shirik | purl, welcome nobin |
| 05:26.54 | purl | [all in unison] Hi, nobin! |
| 05:26.54 | nobin | for some thing |
| 05:27.20 | Shirik | he also recently discovered function pointers |
| 05:27.24 | nobin | so these are those fabled lua users? |
| 05:27.32 | Shirik | :) |
| 05:27.33 | Wobin | no, those are the ones in #lua |
| 05:27.40 | Wobin | we merely dabble =P |
| 05:27.50 | Shirik | meh, most of the people in here know how to code in Lua :P |
| 05:27.56 | Shirik | s/most/many/ |
| 05:28.18 | nobin | regular expressions in a conversation |
| 05:28.21 | nobin | nice |
| 05:28.33 | Shirik | so Wobin, can I just desync by mind visioning someone out of my zone? |
| 05:28.36 | Shirik | or is that not even possible? |
| 05:28.42 | Wobin | I'm not sure |
| 05:28.46 | Wobin | since it involves someone else |
| 05:28.52 | Wobin | but give it a go |
| 05:28.56 | zenzelezz | your "zone"? |
| 05:29.01 | nobin | mind visioning? |
| 05:29.08 | Shirik | like out of shatt if I'm there |
| 05:29.19 | zenzelezz | can't you still chain-mind-vision all around the continents? |
| 05:29.37 | Shirik | haven't really tried going out of zone |
| 05:29.45 | nobin | is it cool if i was to ramdonly say wow |
| 05:29.46 | Shirik | but yes you can chain all over the place |
| 05:29.57 | Wobin | could be a different mechanism then |
| 05:29.57 | nobin | how about in reference to WoW? |
| 05:30.09 | nobin | like wow it's WoW |
| 05:30.09 | Shirik | andrew, you are so strange, go to sleep >< |
| 05:30.47 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_h6t09VFMc |
| 05:30.48 | nobin | still trying to get that function reference working |
| 05:31.44 | batrick | Shirik: do u know how to make makefiles? |
| 05:31.55 | Amarande | hmm, anyone else have that problem with saving for epic flying? |
| 05:32.01 | Wobin | Amarande: yes |
| 05:32.05 | Shirik | no, the server drops you when your target leaves your zone |
| 05:32.06 | Shirik | boo |
| 05:32.10 | Wobin | By the time I save up for one, it'll be wotlk |
| 05:32.12 | Shirik | batrick: Ask nobin, lol |
| 05:32.15 | Wobin | and we won't be able to fly =P |
| 05:32.19 | Shirik | nobin is god with makefiles |
| 05:32.28 | Shirik | unfortunately his rule is that it must be as complicated as possible |
| 05:32.39 | Wobin | Isn't that SOP for makefiles? |
| 05:32.40 | Amarande | heh, exactly |
| 05:32.45 | Amarande | I keep ending up spending money on other stuff |
| 05:32.48 | nobin | that is the rule |
| 05:33.00 | Wobin | I keep getting another alt to 70 and paying for normal flying =P |
| 05:33.05 | nobin | the more cryptic a makefile is the better |
| 05:33.27 | Shirik | batrick: Why do you ask? |
| 05:33.39 | Shirik | oh btw I think I know why Lua refused to load that DLL |
| 05:33.41 | batrick | because I'm going to make a makefile for filum |
| 05:33.42 | Shirik | I'm messing with it now |
| 05:33.54 | batrick | you might want to update your revision |
| 05:33.54 | Shirik | ah, well I don't know how you would put it together for windows tbh |
| 05:33.58 | Shirik | you can't really assume a compiler |
| 05:34.46 | Shirik | how many conflicts are there going to be? |
| 05:35.18 | Shirik | oh, none because I never checked out on this computer! |
| 05:35.19 | nobin | just assume everyone compiles with gcc on linux |
| 05:35.48 | Shirik | because SOMEONE had his firewall misconfigured :P |
| 05:35.48 | nobin | that's the way it should be |
| 05:36.18 | Shirik | have you at least been using my macros? |
| 05:36.20 | nobin | also, if someone is using QNX they should be shot |
| 05:36.23 | Shirik | aside from the sys/time.h stuff, etc. |
| 05:36.25 | Shirik | ~kill nobin |
| 05:36.26 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoneutron gun at nobin |
| 05:36.42 | nobin | such hostility |
| 05:37.18 | Amarande | I'm about to end up blowing it on another living ruby and the remaining mats for a Crown of the Sea Witch :| |
| 05:37.35 | Shirik | oh wow no conflicts |
| 05:37.36 | Shirik | impressive |
| 05:38.29 | batrick | Shirik: uh |
| 05:38.41 | batrick | normally there would be precompiled binaries for Windows |
| 05:38.44 | batrick | (I assume) |
| 05:38.56 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 05:39.37 | batrick | Windows has the gettimeofday() function |
| 05:39.45 | batrick | but it doesn't have the granularity we need (I think) |
| 05:39.47 | Shirik | what did you need, millisecond precsision? |
| 05:39.49 | batrick | if it does then great |
| 05:39.53 | batrick | yes |
| 05:40.13 | batrick | it's fine for linux... you'll have to check windows |
| 05:40.33 | Shirik | is the actual time important? |
| 05:40.37 | Shirik | Or just a delta time? |
| 05:40.44 | Shirik | there are two capabilities |
| 05:40.46 | batrick | for linux actual time is important |
| 05:41.08 | Shirik | for the program to work |
| 05:41.09 | batrick | you'll see I add the delta time to the current time |
| 05:41.10 | Shirik | what do you need |
| 05:41.21 | Shirik | then the actual time isn't important |
| 05:41.35 | Shirik | all that matters is how long has passed since a given reference time |
| 05:41.43 | batrick | not for linux |
| 05:41.49 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:41.51 | Shirik | you're thinking too hard |
| 05:42.04 | Shirik | for the algorithm to work, all that matters is the difference in time |
| 05:42.07 | batrick | what I give to pthread_timedwait is a real time cut off |
| 05:42.13 | batrick | well of course |
| 05:42.15 | Shirik | ignore for a second how exactly you get this difference in time |
| 05:42.21 | Shirik | ok that's what I needed to know |
| 05:42.38 | Shirik | windows has a timer feature that has millisecond precision. Windows also has GetTickCount() |
| 05:42.44 | Shirik | but timers are better because they act like interrupts almost |
| 05:44.14 | batrick | I think i'm going to move the time stuff over to the kernel, i don't remember why I put it in filum.c to begin with |
| 05:44.50 | Shirik | I need to rework the macro names a bit |
| 05:44.57 | batrick | i'll change it later |
| 05:45.03 | batrick | or you can doesn't matter |
| 05:45.08 | Shirik | I can just refactor |
| 05:45.08 | Shirik | easy stuff |
| 05:45.14 | Shirik | That's the beauty of using an IDE instead of Kate NOBIN |
| 05:45.48 | nobin | suck my IDE |
| 05:45.55 | nobin | yoiu use windows |
| 05:46.02 | batrick | nobin does have a point |
| 05:46.03 | nobin | don't want to hear it |
| 05:46.56 | Shirik | visual studio is god |
| 05:47.01 | nobin | Shirik: you should put our quote in the title |
| 05:47.06 | Shirik | remember that competition? |
| 05:47.16 | nobin | visual studio is the antigod |
| 05:47.17 | Shirik | Where you were like "omfg it segfaulted, load it into visual studio!" |
| 05:47.23 | Shirik | yeah.... |
| 05:47.26 | nobin | i could have figured that problem out |
| 05:47.33 | Shirik | in the 10 minutes you had? |
| 05:47.34 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 05:47.52 | nobin | didn't matter |
| 05:47.59 | nobin | stil didn't get it donw |
| 05:48.06 | nobin | damn |
| 05:48.15 | nobin | i can't teypie |
| 05:48.24 | Shirik | I noticed |
| 05:48.55 | nobin | there is 119 in this roo |
| 05:49.04 | Shirik | batrick, you'll like nobin. He likes to do stupid stuff like use C style casts |
| 05:49.07 | nobin | s/roo/room/ |
| 05:49.30 | nobin | that cast was in the library |
| 05:49.30 | Shirik | though you used goto |
| 05:49.34 | nobin | i just copied it |
| 05:49.49 | nobin | i still don't know what those defines are |
| 05:50.09 | nobin | batrick used goto? |
| 05:50.50 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:51.07 | Shirik | he's the one who reminded me of its awesome power |
| 05:51.49 | Shirik | btw nobin, almost 90% of our code on the bot right now is Windows-specific |
| 05:51.51 | Shirik | have fun making it portable |
| 05:51.53 | nobin | dark power |
| 05:52.11 | nobin | noooo!!!!!!! |
| 05:52.13 | Shirik | oh and I completely destroyed your simulator |
| 05:52.20 | nobin | noo!!!!! |
| 05:52.23 | nobin | wait |
| 05:52.33 | nobin | you changed the serial protocol? |
| 05:52.39 | Shirik | very much so |
| 05:52.43 | nobin | nooo!!!!!! |
| 05:52.45 | Shirik | the new version is on the SVN |
| 05:52.52 | nobin | cooollll!!!! |
| 05:52.52 | Shirik | protocolV6.xls |
| 05:53.04 | nobin | okkk!!!! |
| 05:53.06 | Shirik | the FCS is dallas one-wire |
| 05:53.15 | nobin | whhhyyy??? |
| 05:53.26 | Shirik | I am going to hurt you if you keep that up |
| 05:53.40 | nobin | noooo!!!! |
| 05:53.43 | Shirik | and because you have kernel support for it! Might as well use it |
| 05:53.51 | nobin | you weigh like a buck 20 |
| 05:53.59 | nobin | you can't hurt me |
| 05:54.08 | Shirik | yeah I know |
| 05:54.16 | batrick | hey shirik |
| 05:54.20 | Shirik | rawr |
| 05:54.24 | batrick | is all valid C ccode valid c++ code? |
| 05:54.29 | Shirik | kinda |
| 05:54.34 | nobin | if it's c99 |
| 05:54.37 | Shirik | there are a few things that become illegal in C++ |
| 05:54.39 | nobin | then 99% |
| 05:54.42 | Shirik | specifically implicit pointer casts, etc. |
| 05:54.46 | Shirik | stuff that's "unsafe" |
| 05:54.49 | nobin | like void* |
| 05:54.51 | Shirik | but you can get around it |
| 05:54.53 | batrick | c++ can suck my balls |
| 05:54.56 | batrick | I know what i'm doin |
| 05:55.03 | Shirik | casting from void* to anything else is illegal without an explicit cast |
| 05:55.08 | Wobin | batrick: It can? |
| 05:55.15 | batrick | Wobin: yes |
| 05:55.16 | Shirik | of course |
| 05:55.18 | Wobin | Wow, that's a more complex programming language than I thought |
| 05:55.20 | nobin | if it's explicit |
| 05:55.41 | Shirik | reinterpret_cast<Human*>(batrick)->getBalls().suck(); |
| 05:55.51 | batrick | lmao |
| 05:55.51 | Wobin | watch the teeth. |
| 05:56.13 | nobin | laugh out loud |
| 05:56.20 | nobin | contractions are evil |
| 05:56.29 | Shirik | you're evil |
| 05:56.35 | batrick | batbot: can c++ suck my balls? |
| 05:56.35 | batbot | batrick, Yes... Definitely. |
| 05:57.22 | nobin | i'm so glad we are all having such an intelligent conversation |
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| 05:57.43 | nobin | and then he bent over |
| 05:57.44 | Shirik | C++ is amazing |
| 05:57.47 | Shirik | and dynamic_cast is the best part ofi t |
| 05:58.13 | batrick | ya whateva man |
| 05:58.16 | nobin | use 'static_cast' instead |
| 05:58.27 | nobin | wxWidgets likes it |
| 05:59.21 | Shirik | static_cast is faster, I'll give it that |
| 05:59.26 | Shirik | but you can only use it if you know it's a safe cast |
| 06:00.54 | Cairenn|afk | night all |
| 06:01.02 | batrick | shirik u any good with latex? |
| 06:01.04 | batrick | night Cairenn|afk |
| 06:01.07 | zenzelezz | night Cairenn |
| 06:01.18 | nobin | Cairenn night |
| 06:01.26 | batrick | i'm lazy and don't want to write up the latex for the API |
| 06:02.14 | Shirik | not really, but I'm in heroic bm atm |
| 06:02.18 | Shirik | why don't you use doxygen? |
| 06:02.30 | batrick | hmm |
| 06:02.44 | batrick | i have an appreciation for doing things the hard way |
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| 06:04.43 | nobin | i like batrick |
| 06:04.57 | Shirik | I got VS express installed |
| 06:05.00 | Shirik | should be able to compile the DLL now |
| 06:05.01 | Shirik | in theory |
| 06:05.14 | nobin | shirik would just use doxyen and then run to tell me how awasome it is |
| 06:05.31 | Shirik | nobody can deny doxygen's awesomenoess |
| 06:10.03 | batrick | anyway i'll bb |
| 06:11.41 | nobin | bb? |
| 06:11.53 | nobin | is that sorta like brb, but not soon? |
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| 06:23.30 | Atriace | is this valid? obj.var = varB |
| 06:23.48 | MentalPower | yes |
| 06:24.10 | Atriace | So, you can store vars inside objects, and therefore are globals, correct? |
| 06:24.36 | Wobin | yes |
| 06:24.51 | Wobin | It makes more sense when you understand that just about -everything- in lua is a table |
| 06:24.58 | Wobin | variablewise |
| 06:25.57 | Wobin | also, using obj.var isn't a bad use of globals |
| 06:26.12 | Wobin | since it's not polluting the global namespace as much as obj_var would |
| 06:27.33 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:27.41 | Amarande | what's a general rough difficulty ranking of heroic instances? |
| 06:27.45 | Atriace | Makes sense... so... in some ways you could consider obj.var to be localized only to those function that specifically call on it. |
| 06:27.53 | Amarande | I gather it's NOT the same order of difficulty as their normal versions |
| 06:27.56 | Wobin | Atriace: no, not really |
| 06:28.00 | Wobin | Amarande: Fairly much |
| 06:28.21 | Wobin | Generally heroics mean the trash is harder than the boss =) |
| 06:28.28 | Atriace | Wobin: well, let's assume you define obj.var, if you call on var, obj.var?var right? |
| 06:28.40 | Wobin | I would rank heroic mech as easier than normal mech due to boss mechanics |
| 06:28.50 | Amarande | ahh, good |
| 06:28.56 | Wobin | Atriace: whutwhut? |
| 06:28.58 | Amarande | since I consider myself more likely to get a group for heroic mech than regular mech |
| 06:29.11 | Wobin | no var ~= obj.var |
| 06:29.26 | Amarande | Everyone does Heroics on Turalyon, nobody does regulars :S |
| 06:29.27 | Wobin | Amarande: as long as your group understands how the first boss works =) |
| 06:29.36 | Wobin | with the polarities |
| 06:29.49 | Atriace | grr.. well yeah ~= == ? |
| 06:29.59 | Amarande | also that an affliction warlock *should* manage to get SL reflected on themselves :) |
| 06:30.08 | Atriace | I'm just used to seeing the math format of "not equal to" |
| 06:30.08 | Wobin | Atriace: hehe now I'm confused =P |
| 06:30.16 | Wobin | since I get '?' |
| 06:30.18 | Amarande | from my experience in an SMV group quest |
| 06:30.24 | Amarande | you get more hp back than you're draining from yourself |
| 06:30.36 | Wobin | Amarande: Warlock makes Mech easysauce |
| 06:30.37 | Atriace | giggles to himself. |
| 06:30.45 | Amarande | yeah, if you can get a damned group |
| 06:30.53 | Amarande | apparently us DPS are dime a dozen, whether we're good or scrubs |
| 06:31.10 | Wobin | I'd join a mech group with a warlock before one without one any day |
| 06:31.13 | Amarande | and when someone LFG's, the first two scrubs to be able to /w quickly get grouped |
| 06:31.15 | Atriace | Let me rephrase: obj.var is not equal to var because var is native to the global namespace and obj.var is native to obj |
| 06:31.19 | Wobin | since it makes the demon pulls effortless |
| 06:31.28 | Wobin | yes |
| 06:31.42 | Atriace | ok |
| 06:32.10 | Atriace | so, does that make obj a table? |
| 06:32.15 | Wobin | Yep |
| 06:32.18 | Wobin | var is also a table |
| 06:32.25 | Atriace | freaky |
| 06:32.26 | Wobin | in fact, just about -everything- is a table |
| 06:32.34 | Atriace | values inside a table too? |
| 06:32.34 | Wobin | (except numbers) |
| 06:32.37 | Atriace | lol |
| 06:32.43 | Wobin | yep |
| 06:32.46 | Atriace | whaaa!? |
| 06:33.06 | Wobin | Atriace: Have you read PiL? |
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| 06:33.19 | Wobin | It's a very good book that explains lua really well |
| 06:33.38 | Atriace | I did read through a large portion of it, but not before my brain numbed over and I started drooling. |
| 06:33.48 | nobin | so what is lua good for besides wow? |
| 06:33.49 | Wobin | That does happen |
| 06:34.11 | Wobin | nobin: Clearly you need to play more WoW if you're asking that =) |
| 06:34.12 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:34.19 | Amarande | wonder if 2.4 will reduce the frequency of error 131 |
| 06:34.30 | Atriace | what's error 131? |
| 06:34.34 | Amarande | "File Corrupt" |
| 06:34.53 | Atriace | Sounds like a hardware issue. |
| 06:35.08 | Wobin | not really |
| 06:35.13 | Amarande | Whenever you get the tiniest little glitch decompressing the tiniest little MPQ entry, it insists the MPQ is corrupt and forces you to run the repair utility before you can play again (else it just repeats the error. I wonder if it marks something on the MPQ to make it unplayable until you run the repair, even if the repair doesn't actually *do* anything) |
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| 06:35.43 | Amarande | Why can't it be like, say, GW, where nonvisual read failures were just skipped over, and visual ones were rendered as white placeholder boxes? |
| 06:35.51 | Amarande | Or does Blizzard think that would be a security issue? |
| 06:36.39 | Amarande | Or get this, the game is server based, why doesn't it just -redownload the resource from the server- if it can't read the copy on the HD? |
| 06:37.02 | Amarande | Crashing the program seems to me something that should be used as LAST rather than first resort programmatically |
| 06:37.27 | Amarande | unless they're worried about something like skin manipulations for PvP or some cheating like that |
| 06:37.36 | Wobin | quite likely |
| 06:37.47 | Wobin | I can remember when they replaced the campfire texture |
| 06:37.53 | Wobin | with the steps to the Portal |
| 06:38.02 | Wobin | so they used campfires to wallhax -everywhere- |
| 06:40.06 | Amarande | bah, wonder what I'll ever be able to do with my design talents besides plain novels then *sigh* |
| 06:40.20 | Amarande | it occurs to me that CRPG design would be epic fail for me |
| 06:40.33 | Amarande | single player games are losing their popularity like stuck pigs lose blood |
| 06:40.48 | Amarande | and I'd never make it making an MMO since I'd end up making the next game to make Wei rich :P |
| 06:41.27 | Amarande | if there's one person who I'd laugh and say good riddance, the world didn't need you if he passed on unfortunately, it would be Wei |
| 06:42.00 | Wobin | Wei? |
| 06:42.19 | Wobin | (Personally I'd say Uwe Bolle =P) |
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| 07:01.34 | Atriace | Is there a maximum number of hits you can take that will set your casting time back? |
| 07:01.38 | art3mis | anyone have a linode account? |
| 07:01.47 | art3mis | im curious about something |
| 07:02.16 | art3mis | or rather anyone with a linode account here? |
| 07:02.21 | Atriace | Not I |
| 07:03.09 | Shirik | Wobin: ping |
| 07:04.36 | Guillotine | Atriace: Not a maximum |
| 07:04.41 | Guillotine | but it does have diminishing returns |
| 07:04.44 | Guillotine | per spellcast |
| 07:04.47 | Guillotine | down to .1 seconds lost per hit |
| 07:05.05 | Atriace | Hmm.. not .2, eh? |
| 07:05.41 | Guillotine | Hmm, could be I'm remembering it slightly incorrectly |
| 07:05.42 | Amarande | Wobin: Wei is a complete and utter bastard who was a major pioneer of RWT |
| 07:06.02 | Amarande | basically, he was the guy who almost single-handedly ruined Diablo II, for instance |
| 07:06.12 | Guillotine | Atriace: yah, you're right, 0.2 is the minimum |
| 07:07.08 | Atriace | Guillotine: curious, where did you reference your info? |
| 07:07.22 | Guillotine | wowwiki |
| 07:07.35 | Guillotine | though I actually wrote an addon to do tests for it a LONG time ago to confirm that |
| 07:07.38 | Atriace | linky? |
| 07:07.45 | Guillotine | http://www.wowwiki.com/Interrupt |
| 07:07.46 | Atriace | reeeeeaaly. :) |
| 07:13.19 | Amarande | blah. I'm starting to feel like I betrayed my friends who play WoW by bringing them together into the guild some of us started :| |
| 07:14.35 | Amarande | mainly, because I've condemned them to have little in the way of a future at 70 *sigh8 |
| 07:14.46 | Amarande | hell, my warlock is 70, and I'm finding less and less to do |
| 07:15.07 | Amarande | because we haven't made critical mass in terms of guild size, so we can't field an instance group within the guild |
| 07:16.01 | Amarande | two of the 70's we DID have left for a raiding guild ... aggghhhh, what to do |
| 07:16.20 | Amarande | I don't know, is it about time I forked over $25 and went to another server where there's nobody I know anyway? :| |
| 07:17.00 | Amarande | gah |
| 07:17.03 | Amarande | much as wow is normally fun |
| 07:17.09 | Amarande | there are times where I really start to hate it. |
| 07:18.01 | art3mis | it's boring ;P |
| 07:18.14 | art3mis | server transfers or starting again are sometimes fun |
| 07:18.18 | art3mis | not not so much |
| 07:18.34 | art3mis | i actually made an alliance alt |
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| 07:18.47 | art3mis | and got all the way to 40 before i was bored senseless |
| 07:26.11 | art3mis | http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0843850/ |
| 07:26.15 | art3mis | hehe chweck the cast list |
| 07:27.11 | Amarande | I never get far on my alliance characters |
| 07:27.20 | Amarande | the problem is, I'm kinda glued to Turalyon due to my friends there |
| 07:27.34 | Amarande | but ... other than for perhaps the good folks at Fusion |
| 07:27.41 | Amarande | I get the feeling that Turalyon is essentially dead, as far as servers go |
| 07:28.13 | Amarande | Can't get a 5-man group going because we don't have critical mass |
| 07:28.20 | Amarande | -Definitely- won't get a raid going for a long while |
| 07:28.28 | Amarande | and worst of all, I can't even reasonably go for honor gear |
| 07:28.46 | Amarande | because the one really efficient source of honor, namely AV, is taken from me by dint of being in that thrice-damned Stormstrike battlegroup |
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| 07:36.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:37.09 | enum_laptop | can anyone tell me if there is a standard print statement, that will work in ptr? I tested dprint, and print1 on the live servers, but 2.4 in ptr won't print anything out |
| 07:37.11 | Amarande | would you say that the notion of a guild as a group of friends first and foremost is something that just doesn't work with WoW at 70? |
| 07:37.17 | enum_laptop | I even turned on all chat window filters |
| 07:37.36 | Amarande | that basically we need to rely on private channels, /w, and the friends list for friendship and focus guilds around gameplay concerns? |
| 07:38.03 | Amarande | i.e., a guild should be more of a business sort of thing based on people each doing a job, rather than a social matter? |
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| 07:38.27 | enum_laptop | ummm.. this is a game, why would you ever look at it like a business during _game_play |
| 07:38.58 | enum_laptop | people who look at gameplay as a business affair ruin the experience for others. |
| 07:39.07 | enum_laptop | IMO |
| 07:41.16 | Amarande | enum_laptop: because apparently, unless you have a sufficiently large circle of friends that play WoW, your guild is basically like a cup |
| 07:41.22 | Amarande | a cup that is 69 levels tall |
| 07:41.52 | Amarande | people hit 70 and runneth over the top of the cup, forced to leave because the content at 70 at this point in BC's life cycle virtually demands guild aid |
| 07:42.35 | enum_laptop | but mmo's are a social game, deisgned as a game to encourage social activity and interaction |
| 07:43.02 | enum_laptop | hence, the required guild / group affiliations to complete content |
| 07:43.08 | Amarande | we have had hmm ... seven people hit 70 |
| 07:43.11 | enum_laptop | if you wanna play solo, why pay $15 / mo |
| 07:43.29 | Amarande | two of them left to join a raid guild |
| 07:43.41 | enum_laptop | I hit 70, and I'm in a guild with at least 50+ other 70's |
| 07:43.53 | Amarande | one of them is busy with RL |
| 07:44.11 | Amarande | the others end up switching to leveling alts, in part probably because there isn't enough to do at 70 solo or in small groups |
| 07:44.22 | enum_laptop | if WoW ever became a "job" I would quit |
| 07:44.35 | Amarande | basically, it's one thing to need a group |
| 07:44.54 | enum_laptop | well, except for the fact that my job requires I play wow, it's fun because I mix coding a game play |
| 07:44.54 | Amarande | it's another thing when you need to abandon your circle of friends because the guild comprised of said friends doesn't have many 70's |
| 07:45.07 | enum_laptop | but what about helping the friends who aren't 70 get to 70 |
| 07:45.15 | Amarande | and you find, it's almost impossible to GET a group at 70 because people expect you to go within your guild |
| 07:45.18 | enum_laptop | that imo would be the cool thing to do |
| 07:45.33 | Amarande | and sadly, I can only see one solution to that that just isn't forthcoming |
| 07:45.43 | Amarande | namely: they'd need to reduce the repair costs on plate by a ton |
| 07:45.55 | enum_laptop | repair on anything epic is costly |
| 07:45.58 | Amarande | I get the feeling one of the reasons PUGs don't work out is that tanks don't want to spend that much gold |
| 07:46.12 | enum_laptop | I'm a mage, and a full break costs me almost 80g |
| 07:46.20 | Amarande | yeah, that's for cloth ... |
| 07:46.34 | Amarande | and plate, I'm told, there are people who have essentially quit playing their 70 plate wearers after a full break |
| 07:46.47 | Amarande | virtually forced to do so really, till they can farm the money to bounce back |
| 07:46.52 | Wobin | Shirik: ack |
| 07:47.41 | Amarande | basically, they need to reduce repair bills drastically, otherwise yeah, people don't want to take the risk of grouping with people they don't know well |
| 07:47.50 | Amarande | because they're pretty much gambling huge sums of gold on it working |
| 07:47.55 | Amarande | otoh, if you do reduce the repair bills ... |
| 07:48.00 | enum_laptop | gold isn't really hard to come by... I can make almost 1000g in one day |
| 07:48.02 | Amarande | then the economy will be out of control |
| 07:48.13 | Amarande | in fact, I can see it becoming totally out of control with WOTLK |
| 07:48.23 | Amarande | no giant riding outlay like in BC |
| 07:48.35 | Amarande | so the only things people will spend money on will be training, consumables and repairs |
| 07:48.51 | Wobin | enum_laptop: can you make me 1000g a day? |
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| 07:48.58 | Amarande | so an ever increasing influx into the economy, which will not be balanced by any earthly force |
| 07:49.10 | Amarande | at least, till people hit the gold cap lol |
| 07:49.31 | Wobin | Amarande: Is this a leadup to the "Can Jesus create a microwave that is so hot that even he cannot hold it" conundrum? |
| 07:49.45 | Amarande | AH cuts, mainly, I suppose are what Blizzard will have to rely on to slow things down |
| 07:49.53 | Wobin | s/so hot/heats a hotpocket so hot/ |
| 07:50.07 | Amarande | maybe increase the AH cut rate for auctions above a certain amount |
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| 07:50.24 | |pez| | this is great... I'm mad, frustrated, annoyed, and whatnot... and I can't talk t the crewperson about it, cause she's thight with the people I have issues with. |
| 07:50.36 | |pez| | ah, wrong channel, actually |
| 07:50.37 | Wobin | |pez|: bossperson then? |
| 07:50.49 | |pez| | Wobin: It's the bossperson I have problems with. |
| 07:50.59 | |pez| | and my bossperson is married to the allmighty bossperson. såeh.. |
| 07:51.13 | Wobin | mmm nepotism |
| 07:51.22 | |pez| | So basicly, I'm screwed, and it's not gonna change. |
| 07:51.41 | |pez| | (this is not a workplace, but a yearly nerdy event, where I'm crew) |
| 07:51.57 | Amarande | anyway, perhaps what I was getting at is |
| 07:52.02 | Amarande | it seems to me increasingly that |
| 07:52.14 | Amarande | setting up guild based on EXISTING group of friends, unless said group is quite large = FAIL |
| 07:52.48 | Wobin | Amarande: we had that problem |
| 07:52.48 | Amarande | the friends have to be made within the game so you have a sufficient web of recruitment? |
| 07:53.09 | Wobin | in the end we split up into separate guilds |
| 07:53.13 | Wobin | and had a common channel to chat in |
| 07:53.22 | Amarande | basically, the guild I belong to, we're all existing friends from a Wheel of Time web site |
| 07:53.31 | Amarande | I think it might have worked out if we weren't so global :| |
| 07:53.47 | Amarande | but we were stuck with like half the folks being US and half being EU, so we can't bring everyone together |
| 07:53.52 | Wobin | Nah, my guild members and I go out to dinner every week |
| 07:54.08 | Wobin | it didn't help the fact that there weren't enough in the guild to field a 25man =P |
| 07:54.22 | Amarande | (and I've heard it's against the Terms of Service for a European to purchase a US WoW account? At least that's what I -hear-, even though an American can buy an EU account) |
| 07:54.22 | enum_laptop | Wobin: yeah, farm netherweave, make bags.. sell bags + other blues + greens in AH |
| 07:54.25 | enum_laptop | it's cacke |
| 07:54.32 | enum_laptop | s/cacke/cake/ |
| 07:54.43 | enum_laptop | hah |
| 07:54.44 | Wobin | I've given up selling items in the AH =P |
| 07:54.56 | Wobin | but maybe I should start bags |
| 07:55.18 | enum_laptop | I create ~300 Netherweave Bags, sell em for 5g each |
| 07:55.24 | enum_laptop | I don't even have to put em on the AH |
| 07:55.40 | enum_laptop | they sell like hot cackes :P ( yes I meant cackes that time ) |
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| 07:56.00 | enum_laptop | man, I cannot get my head around these registered events |
| 07:56.04 | enum_laptop | driving me nuts |
| 07:56.06 | Amarande | say, is it true that it's against the rules for a EU person to get a US account, even though the other way round is allowed? |
| 07:56.15 | Wobin | Amarande: eh? |
| 07:56.22 | enum_laptop | I know eu people that have us accounts |
| 07:57.00 | Amarande | thing is, I've gotten most of my WoW playing friends to start Horde on Turalyon |
| 07:57.08 | Amarande | which means for me to leave now would be kinda slapping them in the face |
| 07:57.23 | Amarande | however, there is almost literally nothing for me to do |
| 07:57.42 | Amarande | my job schedule doesn't let me do raiding guilds, I don't know any casual 5-man guilds, our guild is too small to get a group for anything |
| 07:57.55 | Amarande | it will take me till WOTLK to even get a key for Arc just joining whatever potluck groups are advertising LFM |
| 07:58.15 | Amarande | seeing as people seem to prefer Shattered Halls, Sethekk Halls, and Durnholde over TK for some reason lol |
| 07:58.35 | Amarande | (I don't get Durnholde, isn't non-heroic Old Hillsbrad too low level to be useful to a 70?) |
| 08:00.30 | enum_laptop | can anyone point me to a small, well commented, addon that I can use for learning purposes? |
| 08:00.43 | enum_laptop | the documentation is crap imo. |
| 08:03.24 | Industrial | most addons are not documented (in the code itself) |
| 08:03.41 | Industrial | most people learnt by asking in here or/and picking other stuff apart |
| 08:04.22 | enum_laptop | I've been picking things apart.. generally the way I learn is pick it apart / code some small example and run it with debugging output. But I seem to be having a hard time with this |
| 08:04.32 | enum_laptop | trying to get debugging output is my main issue |
| 08:05.10 | enum_laptop | for example, I created this function |
| 08:05.11 | enum_laptop | function Atomos_CombatLog_OnEvent(event,arg) |
| 08:05.11 | enum_laptop | if ( event == "ACTION_SPELL_CAST_START_FULL_TEXT" ) then |
| 08:05.11 | enum_laptop | dprint(event,arg) |
| 08:05.11 | enum_laptop | end |
| 08:05.21 | enum_laptop | end |
| 08:05.41 | enum_laptop | I went into game, loaded the addon ( no errors on load ). Went into combat, and nothing... |
| 08:06.07 | enum_laptop | from what Ive read, that should recognize the event when I ( or target )? starts casting, and print data |
| 08:07.07 | enum_laptop | I get no errors in FrameXML.log, and no output in game |
| 08:08.18 | enum_laptop | and, basically my job right now is to convert the current addon to the new combat log system |
| 08:09.56 | Shirik | mm |
| 08:10.00 | Shirik | let's see your code |
| 08:10.07 | Shirik | where do you set the script? XML or Lua? |
| 08:10.12 | enum_laptop | lua |
| 08:10.20 | Shirik | let's see the code |
| 08:10.22 | Shirik | show me the whole file |
| 08:10.22 | enum_laptop | the code I pasted was it.. that and a toc file |
| 08:10.27 | Shirik | where? |
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| 08:11.02 | Shirik | that's your entire code? |
| 08:11.03 | enum_laptop | http://pastebin.com/d2bd52253 |
| 08:11.05 | Shirik | the entire file? |
| 08:11.06 | Shirik | ah |
| 08:11.19 | Shirik | so that's the entire file? |
| 08:11.29 | enum_laptop | and yeah, that's the entire file... I'm trying to do this in sections to be able to understand better |
| 08:11.38 | Shirik | and do you have any XML? |
| 08:11.41 | enum_laptop | nope |
| 08:11.43 | enum_laptop | not yet |
| 08:11.51 | Shirik | ok all that does is make a function, it never gets called |
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| 08:12.48 | enum_laptop | oh right right. makes sense in any programming language. But this is where I come to my issue of lack of documentation. I've checked wowwiki, looked at other code for other addons, and I'm having issues making full sense without being able to strip and test |
| 08:13.18 | Shirik | ok for lack of desire to go look for a tutorial, I'll just show you |
| 08:14.03 | enum_laptop | much appreciated. I've tried searching, and have been able to peice something together a little from page a, a little more from page b |
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| 08:14.21 | enum_laptop | I'm spoiled.. I'm used to having full language docs, and specs in the same place ;p |
| 08:14.28 | Shirik | the prototype is also a bit wrong |
| 08:14.46 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/84263 |
| 08:15.13 | Shirik | however that's actually a poor solution because of the unnecessary global |
| 08:15.47 | Shirik | this is better: http://wowi.pastey.net/84264 |
| 08:16.06 | enum_laptop | looks like javascript |
| 08:16.24 | enum_laptop | prototype library to be more descriptive |
| 08:16.34 | enum_laptop | so, why the CreateFrame? |
| 08:16.55 | Shirik | only frames can receive events |
| 08:17.07 | Shirik | so it's basically just an anonymous, invisible frame used to find the events |
| 08:17.11 | Shirik | oh whoopsie, forgot one thing |
| 08:17.12 | enum_laptop | ah |
| 08:17.20 | enum_laptop | and can multiple events use the same invisible frame? |
| 08:17.33 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/84265 |
| 08:17.35 | Shirik | sure |
| 08:17.40 | Shirik | but make sure to register them |
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| 08:18.26 | enum_laptop | so the event was taken from GlobalStrings.lua... that being said, they still have to be registered? |
| 08:18.40 | Shirik | yup |
| 08:19.02 | enum_laptop | ah, because we need to say... "We want to know about events, x, y, z" |
| 08:19.05 | enum_laptop | right? |
| 08:19.10 | Shirik | full list of events is here: http://wowwiki.com/Events_(API) |
| 08:19.11 | Shirik | exactly |
| 08:19.14 | enum_laptop | I see |
| 08:19.26 | Shirik | that being said |
| 08:19.30 | Shirik | I've never heard of this event before |
| 08:19.35 | enum_laptop | thanks, you just gave me more info than I found googling in the past 2 hours |
| 08:19.58 | enum_laptop | I took it from the GlobalStrings.lua in the Blizzard Interface Data from WoWTest |
| 08:20.07 | Shirik | oh from 2.4 |
| 08:20.10 | enum_laptop | right |
| 08:20.10 | Shirik | that may be correct |
| 08:20.15 | Shirik | I haven't looked at the new events :P |
| 08:20.36 | enum_laptop | my boss asked me to update the addon with the new combat log stuff |
| 08:20.44 | enum_laptop | I'm new to lua, and to wow ui design |
| 08:20.54 | enum_laptop | been a web developer for quite some time though |
| 08:21.04 | enum_laptop | so it's just a matter of getting familiar |
| 08:22.47 | Shirik | sooooo |
| 08:22.50 | Shirik | any C++ gurus around? |
| 08:22.58 | Shirik | or C I guess |
| 08:25.22 | art3mis | your boss asked you to update wow stuff? |
| 08:25.33 | Shirik | art3mis! Find my memory leak! |
| 08:25.46 | art3mis | the gaping wound just behind your left ear! |
| 08:25.47 | Shirik | it's really cool, my robot eats up 5MB/sec |
| 08:26.23 | art3mis | umm okay |
| 08:26.23 | enum_laptop | art3mis: yeah |
| 08:26.35 | art3mis | enum: thats kinna funny |
| 08:26.43 | enum_laptop | why? |
| 08:27.03 | art3mis | you're being paid to update stuff for a game you shouldnt be playing at work ;P |
| 08:27.05 | art3mis | thats why |
| 08:27.14 | art3mis | cracks the whip |
| 08:27.35 | enum_laptop | I work from home... half my day is spent testing the addons |
| 08:27.39 | art3mis | Shirik: yer bot eats 5mb/sec of mem? |
| 08:27.43 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:27.44 | Shirik | it's awesome |
| 08:27.48 | Shirik | until it takes up 1.6GB |
| 08:27.51 | Shirik | then it's no longer awesome |
| 08:28.00 | art3mis | that is pretty awesome |
| 08:28.31 | art3mis | and yer doing it in ansi C? |
| 08:29.37 | Shirik | C++ |
| 08:29.41 | art3mis | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/C++MemoryCorruptionAndMemoryLeaks.html |
| 08:29.42 | Shirik | and mostly ANSI |
| 08:29.44 | Shirik | not completely |
| 08:30.07 | art3mis | char *oldString = "Old String"; |
| 08:30.07 | art3mis | char newStrig = strdup(oldString); |
| 08:30.08 | art3mis | if(newString == ENOMEM) ... // Fail!!!! |
| 08:30.12 | art3mis | ^^ win code |
| 08:30.18 | Shirik | uh |
| 08:30.23 | Shirik | that tutorial is actually wrong..... |
| 08:30.26 | Shirik | delete obj_ptr; // this will call the destructor ~Parent() and NOT ~Child() |
| 08:30.35 | Shirik | any correctly written code uses a virtual destructor |
| 08:30.52 | Shirik | A C++ style dynamic cast may prevent this error as it will recognize the loss of translation and not allow the cast to take place resulting in a traceable crash rather a tough to find memory leak. |
| 08:30.57 | Shirik | And that is the stupidest solution I've heard of |
| 08:31.24 | art3mis | http://www.andreasen.org/LeakTracer/ |
| 08:32.22 | Shirik | meh |
| 08:32.27 | Shirik | if I was going to do that I'll just use Valgrind :P |
| 08:32.57 | art3mis | w00t |
| 08:33.04 | art3mis | he's got a link to MCL! |
| 08:33.09 | art3mis | the bestest mud program eva |
| 08:33.16 | art3mis | err mud client |
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| 08:33.29 | art3mis | it supports perl and python for scripting(botting) |
| 08:34.58 | art3mis | http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jpmartin/memCheckers.html |
| 08:35.10 | art3mis | valgrind it baby! |
| 08:35.38 | art3mis | Checker-0.9.9.1 (did not compile on first attempt (log); author suggests I use valgrind instead) |
| 08:35.42 | art3mis | heh |
| 08:40.40 | art3mis | http://www.curse.com/images/details/120262/ |
| 08:43.26 | Industrial | Is there any way to see a certain spell's total crit value (with talents etc)? |
| 08:45.20 | Industrial | e.g. my lightning bolt |
| 08:45.28 | Industrial | cause it crits WAY more then my base spell crit |
| 08:49.31 | enum_laptop | is there a way to test whether or not a RegisterEvent actually was successful? |
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| 08:52.26 | Wobin | Shirik: What were you pinging me for? |
| 08:53.42 | Wobin | Industrial: Just use Recount or something |
| 08:53.46 | Wobin | and see what the critrate is |
| 08:55.04 | enum_laptop | gets out the vicodin |
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| 09:06.34 | enum_laptop | sigh |
| 09:06.45 | enum_laptop | I have got to be missing something obvious here |
| 09:07.11 | enum_laptop | Shirik: that code you gave me doesn't seem to work, though. Comparing to other event function in other addons seems to be as it should |
| 09:07.40 | enum_laptop | I've tried quite a few other events and even removed the if statement, and placed a message(event); |
| 09:08.25 | enum_laptop | new code here: http://wowi.pastey.net/84266 |
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| 09:19.14 | Shirik | enum: Just checking |
| 09:19.18 | Shirik | you have lua errors enabled? |
| 09:19.43 | Shirik | oh, how is your addon structured? |
| 09:19.51 | Shirik | what's in your addon's folder, what's the file names, what's the folder name, etc. |
| 09:20.12 | art3mis | who runs debian here? |
| 09:20.18 | art3mis | in console only |
| 09:20.31 | Shirik | who WOULD run debian |
| 09:20.32 | Shirik | jeesh |
| 09:20.52 | art3mis | if i have to run linux it's gonna be deb ;P |
| 09:21.01 | Shirik | gentoo! |
| 09:21.18 | art3mis | and according to distrowatch(based on the amount of distros that are deb based) a goo 56% of the linux community would ;P |
| 09:21.23 | art3mis | a good |
| 09:21.31 | art3mis | ubuntu==deb based |
| 09:21.46 | art3mis | the top 15 linux distros for useage == deb based |
| 09:22.54 | Fisker- | launches a bicycle into art3mis |
| 09:23.45 | batrick | shirik is a microsoft fanboi |
| 09:24.28 | batrick | batbot: amirite? |
| 09:24.28 | batbot | batrick, Don't count on it. |
| 09:24.46 | Shirik | wtf |
| 09:24.48 | Shirik | gentoo is not microsoft |
| 09:25.05 | batrick | but i still speak the truth |
| 09:25.44 | Shirik | There are only specific things I like from Microsoft |
| 09:25.48 | Shirik | Vista and Visual Studio, to be specific |
| 09:26.36 | art3mis | and minsweeper |
| 09:26.39 | art3mis | mine |
| 09:27.21 | enum_laptop | Shirik: no idea how to enable lua errors, I have two files... Atomos.toc and Atomos.lua |
| 09:27.29 | enum_laptop | Folder name is Atomos |
| 09:27.30 | Shirik | ok, what's your toc file look like? |
| 09:27.44 | Shirik | art3mis: Specifically Vista's minesweeper |
| 09:28.11 | enum_laptop | http://wowi.pastey.net/84269 |
| 09:28.41 | art3mis | heh touche! |
| 09:28.51 | art3mis | anyways whats the cli system config for debian? |
| 09:28.57 | art3mis | like /stand/sysinstall on fbsd |
| 09:29.02 | art3mis | does it have one? |
| 09:29.02 | Shirik | You actually don't need that ## LoadOnDemand line |
| 09:30.19 | Shirik | apt-get remove apt |
| 09:30.22 | Shirik | apt-get remove kernel |
| 09:30.27 | Shirik | rm -rf / |
| 09:30.31 | Shirik | emerge gentoo |
| 09:30.33 | enum_laptop | heh, why waste time... rm -rf / |
| 09:30.34 | Shirik | win. |
| 09:30.58 | art3mis | umm |
| 09:31.06 | art3mis | how exactly is it gonna run the command emerge? |
| 09:31.10 | enum_laptop | Gentoo and Debian are for light weights... LFS is really what everyone needs |
| 09:31.10 | art3mis | dumbie |
| 09:31.14 | Shirik | hax |
| 09:31.18 | Shirik | emerge is so awesome |
| 09:31.23 | Shirik | when it doesn't exist, it emerges itself |
| 09:31.27 | art3mis | usr/ports > emerge |
| 09:31.33 | Shirik | much like how apt tells you to run apt-get install apt when it's not installed |
| 09:31.35 | art3mis | long live the daemon |
| 09:32.15 | art3mis | lfs? |
| 09:32.27 | art3mis | losers fucking sheep? |
| 09:33.21 | enum_laptop | linux from scratch |
| 09:33.33 | art3mis | he L part already means fail ;P |
| 09:33.34 | Shirik | nah |
| 09:33.36 | Shirik | gentoo all the way |
| 09:33.40 | art3mis | if it's not bsd based it's weak! |
| 09:33.42 | enum_laptop | you actually have to compile your os from a list of packages manually |
| 09:34.05 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b %art3mis!*@*] by Shirik |
| 09:34.15 | Shirik | art3mis is no longer allowed to speak due to his treason against Linux |
| 09:34.33 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b %art3mis!*@*] by Shirik |
| 09:34.37 | art3mis | wow |
| 09:34.44 | Shirik | <3 |
| 09:34.47 | art3mis | either you fail completely at irc |
| 09:34.54 | art3mis | or your client does ;P |
| 09:34.58 | Shirik | ? |
| 09:35.05 | art3mis | %art3mis |
| 09:35.16 | Shirik | aye |
| 09:35.23 | Shirik | I go for option (c) You fail at freenode |
| 09:35.35 | art3mis | i have a %? |
| 09:35.50 | Shirik | The % causes it to only silence you |
| 09:35.58 | Shirik | but you can still join the channel |
| 09:35.59 | art3mis | try again |
| 09:36.17 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+b %*art3mis*!*@*] by Shirik |
| 09:36.20 | Shirik | I also forgot the n= I think |
| 09:36.33 | Shirik | talkie talkie? |
| 09:36.42 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b %*art3mis*!*@*] by Shirik |
| 09:36.45 | Shirik | magic? |
| 09:36.47 | art3mis | neato |
| 09:37.07 | Shirik | I learned about that a few weeks ago myself when I saw them use it in #freenode |
| 09:37.21 | art3mis | thats way easier than +m +v ;) |
| 09:37.47 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:40.35 | Arrowmaster | or you can just +q art3mis |
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| 09:40.58 | Shirik | does that work? |
| 09:41.17 | Arrowmaster | 'This mode works like +b (ban user), but instead simply quiets the user. It is currently equivalent to a +b whose masked is prefaced by the percent sign (for example, "+b %foo" is equivalent to "+q foo").' |
| 09:41.26 | Shirik | ah |
| 09:41.46 | Arrowmaster | its more like a shortcut |
| 09:42.02 | Arrowmaster | since i think it will actually set +b and not +q |
| 09:42.42 | Shirik | oooh! |
| 09:42.45 | Shirik | new record in minesweeper |
| 09:42.46 | Shirik | 18 seconds |
| 09:43.01 | batrick | eww |
| 09:43.14 | batrick | ya +q isthe way to go |
| 09:43.45 | batrick | that cunt in botpark has an itchy +q finger |
| 09:43.48 | batrick | troubled |
| 09:44.32 | batrick | he got really upset when i got purl and batbot to speak to each other |
| 09:45.39 | Arrowmaster | getting 2 eggdrops running one of the self learning chat bots to start talking to each other is the best |
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| 09:49.01 | Industrial | wont they both just learn the same and then stop learning? |
| 09:49.37 | enum_laptop | Shirik: so how would I turn on lua errors? |
| 09:49.48 | batrick | it's an interface option |
| 09:49.49 | Arrowmaster | no since they dont learn exactly whats typed |
| 09:50.11 | Shirik | enum_laptop: Look in interface optiosn for "Show lua errors" |
| 09:50.50 | enum_laptop | found it thanks |
| 09:50.52 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I've seen some really cool instances of that |
| 09:51.48 | Arrowmaster | we had one running on another network for so long that its db got so full of random crap that it was pure comedy gold |
| 09:52.00 | Arrowmaster | especially since half of it was insulting its owner |
| 09:52.26 | Shirik | two bots conversing: http://wowi.pastey.net/84270 |
| 09:52.37 | batrick | ah damn it |
| 09:52.43 | batrick | i want to read it but can't :( |
| 09:53.09 | enum_laptop | ok, so as a mage I cast Arcane Intellect, and Frost Armor... Both, I feel should trigger this event AURAADDEDSELFHELPFUL |
| 09:53.14 | enum_laptop | sound right? |
| 09:53.34 | batrick | take a look at UNIT_BUFF |
| 09:53.38 | Shirik | A: "Do you experience love?" J: "No, I'm 53 years old." A: "Can you explain how it feels to be 53 years old?" J: "How old are you?" A: "I'm 9 years old." J: "Nine? I don't believe you :)" A: "I don't have any reason to deceive you." J: "Yes you do, you're a woman." |
| 09:54.17 | enum_laptop | batrick: that doesn't show up in GlobalString.lua for either ptr, or live servers |
| 09:54.31 | batrick | you're looking in the wrong spot |
| 09:54.39 | batrick | !g UNIT_BUFF site:wowwiki.com |
| 09:54.39 | batbot | batrick: no results |
| 09:54.40 | enum_laptop | doh! You're kidding me |
| 09:54.44 | batrick | grr |
| 09:54.56 | batrick | maybe it's UNIT_AURA |
| 09:55.04 | batrick | !g UNIT_AURA site:wowwiki.com |
| 09:55.04 | batbot | batrick: no results |
| 09:55.14 | batrick | meh, go check out the events page under Buffs |
| 09:55.18 | batrick | you'll find what you need |
| 09:56.16 | Arrowmaster | http://wowwiki.com/Events/Unit_Info#UNIT_AURA |
| 09:56.17 | batrick | Shirik: that's interresting |
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| 09:58.16 | Shirik|AFK | my apologies, I appear to have lost power |
| 09:58.20 | Shirik|AFK | batrick: Did you get that? |
| 09:58.23 | batrick | yar |
| 09:58.28 | enum_laptop | aha! Thanks batrick |
| 09:58.29 | batrick | it's amusing |
| 09:58.32 | batrick | yw |
| 09:58.34 | Shirik|AFK | I thought it was hilarious |
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| 09:59.21 | batrick | someday I'll make batbot an elaborate AI |
| 09:59.32 | Shirik|AFK | in Lua |
| 09:59.35 | batrick | and then place it in several channels |
| 09:59.37 | Shirik|AFK | ns ghost Shirik |
| 09:59.54 | batrick | and watch it befriend people |
| 10:00.00 | Wobin | Shirk: poke |
| 10:00.07 | Shirik | wobin! |
| 10:00.27 | Wobin | You ping me |
| 10:00.29 | Shirik | Whenever I disable the xparky frame (uncheck it in options) it gives me an error saying the frame doesn't exist |
| 10:00.30 | Wobin | then you ignore me =( |
| 10:00.33 | Shirik | is this intentional? |
| 10:00.42 | Wobin | which? |
| 10:00.56 | Shirik | Xparky: Cannot find frame specified |
| 10:01.15 | Wobin | hm it should attach to the legoblock |
| 10:01.19 | Wobin | but if you don't have that shown.... |
| 10:01.34 | Shirik | right |
| 10:01.34 | Shirik | I don't |
| 10:01.43 | Wobin | yeah, there's no freefloating at the moment |
| 10:01.46 | Wobin | not with that version |
| 10:01.50 | Shirik | well |
| 10:01.52 | Shirik | I want it off |
| 10:01.54 | Shirik | and it's off |
| 10:02.09 | Shirik | but it also gives me that error :P |
| 10:02.17 | Wobin | ... if it's off, why have it loaded at all? =) |
| 10:02.26 | Shirik | well I only wanted it temporarily ofrf |
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| 10:02.31 | Shirik | because I accidentally put it in front of my pet frame >< |
| 10:02.50 | Shirik | and was in the middle of a mind control in an instance and needed quick access >< |
| 10:04.10 | batrick | shirik, finish the game! |
| 10:04.21 | batrick | i know u aren'tworkin! |
| 10:04.41 | Shirik | contrary to popular belief, I /am/ working |
| 10:04.44 | Shirik | attempting to resolve a memory leak |
| 10:04.51 | batrick | that's not work that's play |
| 10:05.02 | Shirik | and chess is...? |
| 10:05.08 | batrick | play too? |
| 10:05.13 | enum_laptop | ok, I think this is my last q for the night... |
| 10:05.23 | batrick | work is going to class an listen to professors talk about stuff that was new and exciting 30 years ago |
| 10:05.30 | enum_laptop | Trying to understand the new combat even format, and found this page http://www.wowwiki.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_Details |
| 10:05.50 | enum_laptop | I don't quite get this line here... "How to get full event strings: Read prefix to suffix in order and use the parameter table as specified. Unused entries are nil. A Blank cell means that there are no additional arguments for this pre- or suffix." |
| 10:05.53 | batrick | enum_laptop: you would do well togo over the changes thread a couple times |
| 10:06.38 | batrick | isn't there a .lua example on the ptr (for the regular default combat log) for everyone to look at? |
| 10:07.27 | batrick | i r bored |
| 10:07.35 | Shirik | find my memory leak! |
| 10:07.42 | Shirik | Of course you don't know C++ so you probably can't |
| 10:07.47 | batrick | it's in a call to malloc i'm sure |
| 10:08.03 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 10:08.16 | batrick | well that's where it all starts! |
| 10:08.19 | Shirik | C++ doesn't use malloc! |
| 10:08.21 | batrick | batbot: rite? |
| 10:08.21 | batbot | batrick, It is certain. |
| 10:08.28 | batrick | it does, it just hides itfrom u |
| 10:08.34 | Shirik | well, it can |
| 10:08.37 | Shirik | but Windows doesn't |
| 10:08.46 | Shirik | unless you make your own new operator |
| 10:08.50 | Shirik | but the default one doesn't |
| 10:09.04 | Shirik | besides, I use new[] almost exclusively, not new |
| 10:09.07 | batrick | windows is for script kiddies |
| 10:09.09 | Shirik | so it would likely be calloc, not malloc |
| 10:09.26 | batrick | whatever |
| 10:09.30 | Shirik | :P |
| 10:09.33 | batrick | calloc is expensive |
| 10:09.45 | Shirik | why do you say that? |
| 10:09.54 | Shirik | it's just malloc(size*n) |
| 10:09.58 | batrick | it zeroes out memory? |
| 10:10.02 | Shirik | does it? |
| 10:10.06 | Shirik | I didn't know that |
| 10:10.10 | batrick | yes |
| 10:10.15 | Shirik | well the debug dlls of windows initialize all memory to 0xcc anyway |
| 10:10.20 | batrick | which makes it a O(n) operation |
| 10:10.28 | batrick | big theta |
| 10:10.43 | Shirik | and destroyed memory gets wiped to 0xcd |
| 10:11.11 | Shirik | it's a really cool feature, because then while your program is running, it can detect stepping out of bounds of memory, when you use uninitialized memory, and when you use destroyed memory |
| 10:11.35 | batrick | assuming 0xcd isn't valid in your memory |
| 10:11.40 | batrick | which makes it sorta silly |
| 10:11.40 | Shirik | (stepping out of bounds is done because two extra bytes are allocated, one before and one after, on every block, and filled with some special "no man's land" value) |
| 10:11.48 | Shirik | well the code is a bit more than that |
| 10:11.53 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure what it does exactly |
| 10:11.58 | Shirik | but I know that's a side effect |
| 10:12.42 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.54 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.42 | batrick | shirik you got a really good c++ book to advise? |
| 10:14.51 | batrick | I sense I may have to learn it really well soon |
| 10:14.57 | batrick | much to my distaste |
| 10:15.25 | Shirik | TC++PL |
| 10:15.36 | batrick | the hell kinda title isthat? |
| 10:15.42 | Shirik | the bible of C++ |
| 10:15.43 | Shirik | http://www.research.att.com/~bs/3rd.html |
| 10:15.57 | art3mis | http://www.zombiejesusisback.com/ |
| 10:16.04 | batrick | if you just directed me to that monster C++ specification imma kill you |
| 10:16.10 | Shirik | rofl |
| 10:16.10 | Shirik | no |
| 10:16.16 | Shirik | but it's a book by the creator of C++ |
| 10:16.32 | batrick | probably just as bad |
| 10:16.45 | Shirik | no actually it's generally considered the best way to learn C++ |
| 10:16.47 | Shirik | even for beginners |
| 10:17.13 | batrick | I may be working on nmap |
| 10:17.20 | batrick | probably cleaning up some guys work |
| 10:17.32 | batrick | from what I can tell he's done some really wierd shit |
| 10:17.49 | batrick | unfortunately it's all C++ |
| 10:18.10 | art3mis | tell me oh son of my lord what is i that you would have of me? |
| 10:18.15 | art3mis | braaaaaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnnsssss |
| 10:18.22 | batrick | branes? |
| 10:18.23 | Shirik | honestly they're not too distant, batrick |
| 10:18.30 | Shirik | though the ideologies are a bit different |
| 10:18.32 | art3mis | p-branes actually |
| 10:18.45 | Shirik | for example, in C++ it's generally considered bad practice to use a C style cast |
| 10:18.46 | Shirik | ever. |
| 10:18.49 | batrick | i learned c++ before I learned c |
| 10:18.50 | Shirik | you should basically never use them |
| 10:18.57 | batrick | although I learned a heavily watered down version |
| 10:19.37 | batrick | that'll probably grind my nerves |
| 10:19.55 | Shirik | you should always use static_cast and dynamic_cast to specify what type of cast you want (or reinterpret_cast or const_cast for the very odd cases) |
| 10:20.21 | Shirik | I have recently fallen in love with dynamic_cast though |
| 10:20.29 | batrick | that usually for objects or even for primitives? |
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| 10:21.08 | Shirik | while you really can get away with using it for primitives (hell, you can get away with it for objects too) it's generally considered good form to use static_cast for primitives as well |
| 10:21.12 | Shirik | do I follow that? Generally not |
| 10:21.16 | Shirik | and many don't |
| 10:22.12 | Shirik | Another disconnect between C and C++ is that NULL should never be used in C++ |
| 10:22.44 | Shirik | in fact, it's straight up illegal, but most compilers correct it behind-the-scenes these days |
| 10:23.45 | Shirik | that's something they need to address in C++0x |
| 10:25.18 | batrick | great |
| 10:25.54 | Shirik | INT_MAX is replaced by std::numeric_limits<int>::max() |
| 10:26.01 | Shirik | etc etc |
| 10:26.24 | Shirik | but 99% of the stuff is identical |
| 10:27.45 | Shirik | But the cool thing about that book batrick, is it discusses EVERYTHING about the language |
| 10:27.50 | Shirik | even the rarely-known aspects |
| 10:27.57 | Shirik | such as the C++ garbage collector that very few people are aware of |
| 10:28.19 | Shirik | or the fact that it is illegal to throw an error in a destructor (actually there's more to this, but that's the general consensus) |
| 10:28.42 | batrick | it's amazing the dumb shit people try to pull |
| 10:28.47 | Shirik | ? |
| 10:28.53 | batrick | like prevent an object from being gc'd in a destructor |
| 10:29.11 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 10:29.18 | batrick | ya... |
| 10:30.57 | Shirik | but anyway, that book explains a lot of what you need to know, without the details that you don't needto know to get running (the stuff you would only need if you're developing a compiler) |
| 10:31.12 | Shirik | like it tells you what a virtual function is, why they're useful, but stops short of describing the virtual table and how it works |
| 10:33.53 | Shirik | also |
| 10:34.04 | Shirik | I still can't figure out how to compile valgrind on Windows |
| 10:34.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 10:35.46 | Shirik | ah |
| 10:35.52 | Shirik | "there is no port for Windows available at this time" |
| 10:35.53 | Shirik | *%#(@*U%)!~#@I%TR@PKQWFVA |
| 10:36.22 | Shirik | I'll try out this IBM "Purify" |
| 10:36.25 | batrick | haha |
| 10:37.12 | Shirik | I need to write my own memory debugger |
| 10:37.15 | Shirik | in C++ it's extremely easy |
| 10:37.28 | Shirik | that's the beauty of C++! |
| 10:38.38 | Shirik | hahahahagha |
| 10:38.40 | Shirik | I like IBM's site |
| 10:38.49 | Shirik | as I'm scrolling down the list under "Preferred Language of Contact" |
| 10:38.52 | Shirik | the choices are |
| 10:38.55 | Shirik | - English |
| 10:39.00 | Shirik | - English, UK |
| 10:39.08 | Shirik | because obviously US's english is the standard form |
| 10:39.08 | Shirik | <3 |
| 10:43.26 | batrick | well |
| 10:43.34 | batrick | to be fair, ours is the most widely used |
| 10:43.40 | Shirik | totally true |
| 10:43.51 | Shirik | the UK should just give up and stop spelling color incorrectly |
| 10:44.02 | batrick | don't forget the aussies |
| 10:44.09 | Shirik | I still think that the UK's version of the wow armory should have been www.wowarmoury.com |
| 10:44.14 | Shirik | would have been hilarious |
| 10:51.18 | Shirik | "the color scheme has changed to windows vista basic" |
| 10:51.18 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 10:51.30 | Shirik | your entire color scheme changes because one stupid application is incompatible? |
| 10:51.47 | nevcairiel | yeah they do that |
| 10:52.12 | nevcairiel | (plus i still dont get why people run vista, i just tried it again yesterday, its like way slower as my XP) |
| 10:52.22 | Shirik | mine's faster... |
| 10:52.28 | batrick | (because shirik is a fanboi) |
| 10:52.42 | Shirik | the only problem I have is the stupid blocking kernel call that blocks for about 3 seconds |
| 10:52.48 | Shirik | whenever UAC is triggered |
| 10:52.59 | nevcairiel | on XP i can run two copys of WoW without any issue. on vista everything starts to die when i run a second copy |
| 10:53.00 | Shirik | no application should be capable of blocking the entire kernel for 3 seconds |
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| 10:57.30 | Shirik | bah, I'll just write up my own memory debugger |
| 10:57.34 | Shirik | it'll take me like 20 lines |
| 10:58.50 | Shirik | okies, I'm going to head to bed |
| 10:58.50 | Shirik | night all |
| 11:09.26 | Vangual | hmm, what's nicer to the wow engine, setting a framescript to nil or to an empty anonymous function? |
| 11:10.18 | batrick | what kind of idiot uses "l" for a lua_State * symbol |
| 11:10.22 | batrick | it looks like a fucking 1 |
| 11:10.50 | batrick | Vangual: nil |
| 11:11.07 | batrick | in a huge way, nil effectively means there is not frame script |
| 11:11.23 | batrick | if you set an empty function, then it will continue calling that function when it doesn't need to |
| 11:12.35 | Vangual | makes sense, just seen some examples using empty functions that got me wondering |
| 11:13.25 | batrick | well then they are bad examples :P |
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| 12:06.55 | Vangual | lua noob question: can you overwrite function parameters within the function (and have the overwritten content stay like this only within the function)? |
| 12:07.22 | Wobin | overwrite? |
| 12:07.51 | Wobin | like function(a, b) a= 3; return a+b end ? |
| 12:08.12 | Vangual | function blah(param1) if param1 < 0 then param1 = 0 end end |
| 12:08.18 | Wobin | absolutely |
| 12:08.34 | Wobin | the parameters are variables local only to the scope of that function |
| 12:08.49 | Wobin | so you can do whatever you want to them within that scope |
| 12:09.02 | Vangual | but that will effectively create a new instance of param1 without overwriting what is referenced to in param1 in the calling function? |
| 12:09.08 | Vangual | ok |
| 12:09.14 | Vangual | great :) |
| 12:09.21 | Wobin | You can't pass by reference in lua |
| 12:09.22 | Wobin | afaik |
| 12:09.23 | nevcairiel | lua passes everything by value |
| 12:09.33 | nevcairiel | well |
| 12:09.37 | nevcairiel | tables pass a reference |
| 12:09.44 | nevcairiel | but thats just how the table variable works |
| 12:09.48 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:09.58 | Wobin | if it's tables you're passing, you'll have to do a copy |
| 12:10.01 | nevcairiel | you dont pass a reference to the original variable, just to the table |
| 12:10.06 | Vangual | is the way to enforce byref or byval passing or is it not possible at all? |
| 12:10.16 | nevcairiel | no |
| 12:10.20 | nevcairiel | lua does only by val |
| 12:10.30 | Wobin | except for aformentioned tables |
| 12:11.03 | nevcairiel | or func refs, but those variables are defined to hold a reference, so you pass the reference |
| 12:11.18 | nevcairiel | if you overwrite the table var in your func, the original table doesnt change either |
| 12:11.21 | Vangual | Wobin: a copy in that case is simply a "newtable = oldtable" or? |
| 12:11.29 | Wobin | Vangual: no =) |
| 12:11.35 | Wobin | that passes a reference =) |
| 12:11.40 | Vangual | i feared as much |
| 12:12.06 | nevcairiel | you need a recursive table-copy algorithm to copy tables =P |
| 12:12.20 | nevcairiel | wonders how that would look iterative |
| 12:12.27 | Vangual | eek, none in the language itself? |
| 12:12.36 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 12:12.38 | nevcairiel | buts its easy |
| 12:13.20 | Vangual | so many pitfalls you need to learn when learning lua :( |
| 12:13.37 | nevcairiel | function tblCopy(source) local dest = {}; for k,v in pairs(source) do if type(v) == "table" then dest[k] = tblCopy(v) else dest[k] = v end return dest end |
| 12:14.56 | Vangual | copies that into his notepad |
| 12:15.05 | nevcairiel | i hope i didnt type |
| 12:15.29 | Vangual | the idea behind the recursive copy is clear :) |
| 12:15.35 | nevcairiel | lua> local function tblCopy(source) local dest = {}; for k,v in pairs(source) do if type(v) == "table" then dest[k] = tblCopy(v) else dest[k] = v end return dest end; local t = {"a", "b", {"c"}}; pp(tblCopy(t)) |
| 12:15.36 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 12:15.51 | nevcairiel | lua> local function tblCopy(source) local dest = {}; for k,v in pairs(source) do if type(v) == "table" then dest[k] = tblCopy(v) else dest[k] = v end end return dest end; local t = {"a", "b", {"c"}}; pp(tblCopy(t)) |
| 12:15.52 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: { "a", "b", { "c" } (#2) } (#1) |
| 12:15.59 | nevcairiel | forgot a end =P |
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| 15:12.13 | zenzelezz | well there's something I haven't experienced before... I seem to be just a tiny biy ahead of the XP curve in Outland. Finished all the solo-quests I can remember in most zones, but ~5% too low to receive Area 52 quests yet |
| 15:12.41 | zenzelezz | or should that be "behind", not "ahead" |
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| 15:16.00 | Wobin | zenzelezz: Do more instances =) |
| 15:16.12 | Wobin | Get lower city rep |
| 15:16.37 | zenzelezz | that's pretty much what I was trying to avoid (instances) ;) Would prefer if people didn't see how horrible I am at rogueing |
| 15:18.25 | zenzelezz | might try getting a Ring of Blood group |
| 15:30.42 | Wobin | but rogueing is such fun |
| 15:30.53 | Wobin | and just think |
| 15:30.55 | Wobin | once you hit 70 |
| 15:31.02 | Wobin | you'll have nothing -but- instances to do |
| 15:31.07 | Wobin | (so get training =P) |
| 15:32.34 | zenzelezz | nah, made this char for different purposes; I do my raiding/instancing on my warrior |
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| 15:49.48 | zenzelezz | increments the "forgot to stealth before sneaking up on mob" counter and sighs |
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| 15:57.49 | zenzelezz | cheers at peppy |
| 15:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz! Happy Easter-day-thing to you! |
| 15:58.32 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 16:02.38 | Lopeppeppy | I got a chocolate raccoon, no lie. |
| 16:03.59 | zenzelezz | "6 Warglaives on 15 Illidan kills: 40% droprate" <-- old news I guess, but that's seriously good luck |
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| 16:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | Wow... I wish I were that lucky with Loto. |
| 16:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | *lotto |
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| 16:17.46 | bleetah | passes around the left-over-chockee |
| 16:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | I have an egg mc muffin I'll share! |
| 16:18.16 | bleetah | chocolate egg mc muffin? yerk |
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| 16:18.30 | Lopeppeppy | No... chocolate is mine. Mine mine mine. |
| 16:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | No sharing chocolate, nope.... mine. Rawr. |
| 16:20.56 | bleetah | no probs there, Lopeppeppy gets the day old chocolates! |
| 16:22.01 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* I'm happy to help you with your chocolate problem, bleetah... Someone to feed my addiction is always welcome. |
| 16:26.06 | kd3 | mmm, food |
| 16:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I woke up starving this morning. |
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| 16:36.45 | bleetah | blames Cide |
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| 17:06.26 | bleetah | btw, if the owner of http://www.wowgemfinder.com/ is in here, I congratulate you on an instantly useful site. |
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| 17:18.53 | Kalroth | bleetah: how is that better than http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3 ? |
| 17:19.04 | Kalroth | (curious, I don't see any differences) |
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| 17:23.53 | bleetah | Kalroth: if you can't see the difference in the 'filters' between clicking on a link that says, for example, 'pvp reward' or 'increases healing', and the lack of similar filters on wowhead and having to manually go through the lot, I can't really help |
| 17:24.34 | bleetah | curiously enough, for the gem details, they actually link to wowhead |
| 17:25.09 | Kalroth | uhm, wowhead got the same filters? |
| 17:25.19 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3&filter=cr=93;crs=1;crv=0 pvp reward |
| 17:25.34 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3&filter=cr=119;crs=1;crv=0 +healing |
| 17:26.48 | bleetah | ah, so they do. I was looking under 'type' rather than the un-named drop-down. also, url's such as http://www.wowgemfinder.com/cut_gems/list/spell-hit-rating are easier to remember than http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3&filter=cr=48;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 17:27.08 | bleetah | just my 2c about ease of use, is all |
| 17:27.31 | Kalroth | okay |
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| 17:37.58 | bleetah | (not to mention the whole 'is this PTR/TTR data I'm looking at?' question ;) |
| 17:40.46 | kd3 | huh... I wonder what part 2 of the background download is? only the euro locales got it |
| 17:44.05 | bleetah | fixed translations, at a guess? |
| 17:44.15 | bleetah | or even just the translations nwo they're finalised |
| 17:44.15 | kd3 | ~25 megs worth? |
| 17:44.28 | bleetah | with sound files, plausible |
| 17:44.44 | bleetah | at a guess |
| 17:44.52 | bleetah | mmm coffee, brb |
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| 18:00.12 | sag_ich_nicht | 03/23/08 18:56:00> You have spent 2.2% (14.5% since release) of your life in-game, divided among 15 character(s) on 11 realm(s). |
| 18:00.15 | sag_ich_nicht | mhm not so bad |
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| 18:03.05 | enum_laptop | morning ( or afternoon ) all |
| 18:03.13 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
| 18:03.29 | enum_laptop | getting up before noon , when you went to bed after 6am sucks |
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| 18:11.17 | enum_laptop | anyone use eclipse? |
| 18:20.41 | foxlit | maaaybe? |
| 18:22.18 | haste | anyone happen to now of a tag basd image gallery? doesn't really matter what language it's in |
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| 18:22.43 | haste | I only know of danbooru (ruby on rails) and shimmie (php clone of danbooru), but both are rather overkill D: |
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| 19:00.48 | Shirik|zZz | "it has been guessed, and for the most part proven over the weeks, blues will NOT reply to, or sticky this thread. They do not support the alteration of your registry. I can not totally blame them, as if you do mess up, bad bad things could happen. the fact is this does fix the problem, atlest till 2.4 which it seems latency will be better. but who knows if thats true, or when it is. so in short" |
| 19:00.59 | Shirik|zZz | people like that, that go out and say "hey yo sticky plox" don't deserve a sticky.... |
| 19:01.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there an addon that I can load up with coordinates, and in turn, it'll plot a "nearest distance to" waypoint system, endlessly?\ |
| 19:02.12 | Shirik | furthermore I am so sick of people saying "oh lookie my ping went down, my latency must be reduced!" |
| 19:02.13 | Shirik | NO |
| 19:02.20 | Shirik | you just INCREASED the amount of traffic you are sending |
| 19:02.31 | Shirik | with the added side effect of making it LOOK like you reduced the lag |
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| 19:09.47 | Kalroth | Shirik: Yup, that's true :) |
| 19:10.13 | Kalroth | When I download large files, my ping drops from 150-170 to 40-60 :) |
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| 19:16.49 | Cairenn | art3mis: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5461889496&sid=1 |
| 19:20.32 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: what. changing TCPAckFrequency and TCPNoDelay actually improves latency |
| 19:20.44 | Shirik | Yes, but it worsens your connection |
| 19:21.00 | Gnarfoz | not for wow |
| 19:21.15 | zenzelezz | most people don't just use the net for WoW |
| 19:21.17 | Gnarfoz | indeed it reduces my maximum bandwidth somewhat |
| 19:21.32 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: most people don't use their bandwidth to the maximum they can |
| 19:21.36 | Shirik | actually, it increases your bandwidth usage for no purpose whatsoever |
| 19:21.39 | zenzelezz | then they suck |
| 19:21.39 | Gnarfoz | which is the only case in which it matters |
| 19:21.47 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: no it doesnt -.- |
| 19:21.53 | Shirik | there is nothing to lose by responding to an ACK late |
| 19:21.54 | Shirik | er |
| 19:21.57 | Shirik | by sending an ACK late |
| 19:22.00 | Gnarfoz | YES there is. |
| 19:22.07 | Gnarfoz | increased latency, lol |
| 19:22.14 | Gnarfoz | that's what "late" means |
| 19:22.16 | Shirik | the server doesn't "wait" for an ACK unless your window size is already full |
| 19:22.26 | Shirik | and if that happens, there's another problem anyway |
| 19:22.42 | Gnarfoz | nevermind, I'm sick of people telling me "this can't work, because..." when it clearly works |
| 19:22.56 | Shirik | The only thing it does correctly is reduce your ping number |
| 19:22.57 | Shirik | that's it |
| 19:23.09 | Gnarfoz | and that figure is purely imaginative |
| 19:23.12 | Shirik | it has zero positive effect on the actual quality of the game |
| 19:23.15 | Gnarfoz | and has nothing to do with my latency |
| 19:23.22 | Shirik | You're confusing latency with quality |
| 19:23.29 | Gnarfoz | "quality" is someting analog |
| 19:23.34 | Shirik | all it does is send a packet which is used for control earlier |
| 19:23.37 | Gnarfoz | digitally it either works or it doesn't >_> |
| 19:23.39 | Shirik | that packet does not need to be sent |
| 19:23.45 | Shirik | so why send it? |
| 19:23.48 | Gnarfoz | yes, making the other side not wait |
| 19:23.50 | Shirik | To make a number lower? |
| 19:23.53 | Shirik | It WON'T wait |
| 19:23.56 | Gnarfoz | it does. |
| 19:23.57 | Shirik | unless your TCP window is already full |
| 19:24.00 | Gnarfoz | ever played wow? |
| 19:24.09 | Shirik | ever looked at the TCP specification? |
| 19:24.13 | Gnarfoz | maybe the wow server's TCP implementation sucks, then |
| 19:24.20 | Shirik | WoW does not implement TCP.... |
| 19:24.30 | Gnarfoz | I know :) |
| 19:24.32 | Shirik | they use the 7th layer, not the third... |
| 19:24.47 | Gnarfoz | the server < machine, not software |
| 19:24.53 | Gnarfoz | rather, OS, not application |
| 19:25.11 | Shirik | WoW has no knowledge of this ACK packet that's being sent, only the underlying layers. But those layers aren't going to delay anything because of its absence unless the TCP window is full |
| 19:25.14 | Gnarfoz | also, obviously the process has some amout of control over what's happening |
| 19:25.19 | Shirik | and if the TCP window is full, your computer is required to send the ACK anyway |
| 19:25.32 | Shirik | all it has control over is how quickly a packet is responded to |
| 19:25.44 | Shirik | WoW never even sees the response |
| 19:25.45 | Gnarfoz | well, tell me then, why Blizz said they'd disabled Nagle's algorithm (which is simply: enabling TCPNoDelay) for their software? |
| 19:25.56 | Shirik | Because users are stupid and were complaining and they like low numbers |
| 19:25.59 | Gnarfoz | just for kicks? :D |
| 19:26.10 | Shirik | It's the same reason why we shouldn't allow users to see memory usage |
| 19:26.13 | Gnarfoz | well, obviously you don't know the difference between playing at 250ms and 25ms |
| 19:26.20 | Shirik | Because there isn't one |
| 19:26.23 | Gnarfoz | ohh, right. |
| 19:26.27 | Shirik | that 250ms doesn't exist |
| 19:26.30 | Shirik | it only appears to exist |
| 19:26.35 | Gnarfoz | *yawn* |
| 19:26.45 | Gnarfoz | wait, I press a key *now* |
| 19:26.55 | Gnarfoz | wow acts on that damn number |
| 19:27.13 | Gnarfoz | like "my GCD is finished now" "server doesn't say so, yet" |
| 19:27.15 | Shirik | Look, just before you criticize something and try to act like you know what you're talking about, know the specification you're referring to |
| 19:27.24 | Shirik | That has nothing to do with this |
| 19:27.36 | Shirik | WoW never sees that ACK packet, not once |
| 19:27.48 | Shirik | the server's "OK" or your "OK" is a completely separate packet |
| 19:27.52 | Gnarfoz | obviously, neither wow client nor wow server "see" any packets |
| 19:28.13 | Shirik | ok you know what, I'm not going to continue an argument with someone whom refuses to have an intelligent conversation |
| 19:28.20 | Gnarfoz | do you even know what Nagle's algorithm does? |
| 19:28.23 | Shirik | Yes |
| 19:28.29 | Gnarfoz | yay, I do, too |
| 19:28.41 | Shirik | It delays an ACK packet to piggyback it alongside an existing, non-ACK-flagged packet |
| 19:28.53 | Shirik | which is BENEFICIAL |
| 19:29.01 | Gnarfoz | if you want to reduce traffic |
| 19:29.04 | Shirik | however it can make your precious little numbers go lower |
| 19:29.07 | Shirik | higher* |
| 19:29.13 | Shirik | that's ALL it can do |
| 19:29.27 | Shirik | the client-side response to a server packet is NOT the ACK packet |
| 19:29.51 | Gnarfoz | so, you're saying, "delaying an ACK packet has no impact whatsoever on the communication between both parties" |
| 19:29.59 | Shirik | unless the TCP window fills |
| 19:30.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:30.12 | Shirik | TCP is not a hold-and-wait scheme |
| 19:30.14 | Gnarfoz | curious improvement in playability, then, for me :) |
| 19:30.18 | Shirik | it is a sliding window protocol |
| 19:30.24 | Shirik | it's in your mind |
| 19:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Correlation does NOT imply causality. |
| 19:30.36 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: well, gee -.- |
| 19:31.15 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_window |
| 19:31.20 | Shirik | In transmit flow control, sliding window is a variable-duration window that allows a sender to transmit a specified number of data units before an acknowledgment is received or before a specified event occurs. |
| 19:31.31 | Shirik | i.e., the server and client can continue to have a conversation despite the lack of an ACK |
| 19:31.51 | Shirik | furthermore, in TCP, not every packet needs to be ACKed |
| 19:31.54 | Industrial | I just burped so hard I had to cough it out cause I didnt know I was burping >_o |
| 19:32.01 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: neat |
| 19:32.04 | Industrial | chinese food mmm :D |
| 19:33.21 | Gnarfoz | anyway, theory is great, I can see where you're going and all, and partly, I don't even know how it can be better, seeing the facts... but it is! :( |
| 19:33.26 | Lopeppeppy | Industrial... TMI. Chew your food, darlin'. |
| 19:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | It isn't, it just artificially appears to be, if I'm following all of what Shirik is saying. |
| 19:33.52 | Industrial | lol :X |
| 19:33.55 | Gnarfoz | yes, that's what he's saying :< |
| 19:34.04 | Gnarfoz | but my attacks registering earlier, my movements registering earlier, can't be just in my mind? :\ |
| 19:34.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: perception & mental tricks, imo. |
| 19:34.36 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: my perception didn't change, I just rebooted and played the same game I've been playing for 2.5 years :~( |
| 19:35.03 | Gnarfoz | I should probably change it all back, and see if I "perceive" a degradation |
| 19:35.06 | Gnarfoz | I should, right? ^^ |
| 19:35.28 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* dont ask me, i'm not in your head. :P |
| 19:35.29 | Kalroth | Shirik: It does improve the clients response time, but that's because of the client using hold-and-wait. |
| 19:35.40 | Shirik | it improves the client's ACK time |
| 19:35.49 | Shirik | which is completely irrelevant to the communication speed between the user and the server |
| 19:35.59 | Shirik | it merely speeds up the opening of the TCP window |
| 19:36.03 | Shirik | which shouldn't be full anyway |
| 19:36.17 | Kalroth | The client waits for that ACK to preform other events, it queues events based on it |
| 19:36.35 | Shirik | no, it waits for a separate type of acknowledgement |
| 19:36.38 | Kalroth | Hence lowering the response causes events to get processed faster |
| 19:36.41 | Shirik | it can't use the TCP ACK because it never sees it |
| 19:36.44 | Shirik | layer 7 isn't allowed to see that |
| 19:36.59 | Kalroth | Yes, it uses something that uses ACK |
| 19:37.04 | Kalroth | eg. the ping |
| 19:37.34 | Shirik | It uses something completely unrelated to the TCP protocol, which is why changing TCP parameters cannot, in any way, speed up your communication unless there is an underlying problem in the TCP socket anyway |
| 19:37.44 | Shirik | such as a window size set to like 1 |
| 19:37.56 | Shirik | All it uses is a separate "OK" packet from the server |
| 19:38.01 | Shirik | which can be sent before the ACK is received |
| 19:38.05 | Shirik | er, sent |
| 19:38.10 | Kalroth | There is a noticeable difference, Shirik. Both measurable through events and addons, I'm not just talking ping time. It does effect the speed of events getting processed. |
| 19:38.20 | Shirik | I give up |
| 19:38.38 | Gnarfoz | well, if wow uses it's own traffic for RTT measurements, then how could this even change the RTT time, if it's all just TCP? :< |
| 19:38.57 | Shirik | it doesn't |
| 19:39.00 | Shirik | that's why the number drops |
| 19:39.05 | Gnarfoz | (it certainly doesn't ICMP ping the server separately) |
| 19:39.06 | Kalroth | Well like he said, try it then. It's not about a green or yellow number ingame. I'm not talking about the ping time. I'm talking about the speed of which the client responds to events. |
| 19:39.16 | bleetah | I must be a noob, I've never seen this before, dead mob rotating in place, facing me wherever I go lol |
| 19:39.24 | Gnarfoz | bleetah: noob. |
| 19:39.26 | Shirik | no but almost every OS gives a feature to pick up the RTT from a socket |
| 19:39.31 | Shirik | bleetah: yeah that's a fun bug |
| 19:40.53 | bleetah | probably wouldn't have noticed it if I hadn't been wanting to skin.. had to walk away for it to disappear before I could |
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| 19:43.25 | bleetah | goes back to wondering why Elekk sometimes skin to clefthoof leather |
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| 19:49.07 | Shirik | grr |
| 19:49.12 | Shirik | writing a memory debugger is harder than I thought |
| 19:50.01 | Shirik | I was using a std::map to store the info about all the memory. Whenever someone calls operator "new" I go ahead and add the info to the map. The map calls operator new to allocate space for the new entry, which then adds the new info to the map, which then calls operator new etc etc |
| 19:50.04 | Shirik | ~kill C++ |
| 19:50.05 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse quark gun at C++ |
| 19:50.58 | Cairenn | I swear, I should be allowed to deny a UI on principal alone! "Chuck Norris UI!" - "Ever want to be as strong as chuck norris? Look like chuck norris? Fight ninjas like chuck norris? Well now you can with Chuck Norris UI!" |
| 19:51.23 | Cairenn | can't decide whether to growl, cry or throw up |
| 19:51.56 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: I recommend at least 30 minutes of www.chucknorrisfacts.com |
| 19:52.04 | Cairenn | shudders |
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| 19:52.59 | Shirik | wonders how long Cairenn spent looking at that UI trying to find something, ANYTHING wrong with it |
| 19:53.52 | Cairenn | actually, I think I might have something that'd allow me to deny it |
| 19:55.33 | Industrial | what ui? |
| 19:55.51 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 19:56.45 | Cairenn | I don't think there's anything "legally" wrong with it (although I'm not sure if some of the images used might be protected), but omg I just don't want to hit approve on it |
| 19:56.48 | Cairenn | it's HIDEOUS |
| 19:57.19 | dylanm | Really a good argument for separating compilations from the real work. |
| 19:57.28 | Industrial | this tastes too much of fail! use less next time! |
| 19:57.30 | Industrial | is what i'd say |
| 19:58.02 | dylanm | It should hook all of the portrait stuff and replace it all with Norris photos. |
| 19:58.27 | Cairenn | it DOES! |
| 19:58.30 | Cairenn | sobs |
| 19:59.17 | Industrial | lmao |
| 19:59.22 | kd3 | oof |
| 19:59.38 | kd3 | wth, is there an internal link we can use to look at the monstrosity? |
| 19:59.49 | Cairenn | even as a laugh, I don't want to approve this! |
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| 20:00.52 | Cairenn | I don't know if you guys can see these or not: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw12253.jpg and http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw12254.jpg and http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw12256.jpg |
| 20:01.06 | Cairenn | those are the screenshots for it |
| 20:01.18 | kd3 | oh good god |
| 20:01.22 | foxlit | ANIMATE! |
| 20:01.34 | foxlit | (I really should've used a better setup for that) |
| 20:01.43 | foxlit | But if some of those things moved, things would be interesting :P |
| 20:01.57 | Nechckn | Ha! so very chuck |
| 20:02.07 | Cairenn | please please please, tell me that some of those images are copyright or something, I beg of you! |
| 20:02.14 | Nechckn | two chucks up for you Cairenn |
| 20:02.26 | Cairenn | like, the ones for the social and inventory panels, maybe? |
| 20:02.36 | AnduinLothar | that's scary |
| 20:03.42 | Nechckn | the target pic is the best... with the whole Ninja motif |
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| 20:05.35 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.59 | AnduinLothar | "Chuck Norris is allowed to talk about Fight Club." |
| 20:06.15 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 20:07.02 | foxlit | http://xkcd.com/66/ |
| 20:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That is |
| 20:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Horrific |
| 20:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | (@ Chuck Norris UI) |
| 20:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: deny it based on false advertising. They clearly portray Chuck Norris as a Paladin, yet we all know that Chuck Norris is a class in and of himself. |
| 20:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that was horrible. Sorry. |
| 20:08.24 | Guillotine | Wait, linky? |
| 20:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:00 <@Cairenn> I don't know if you guys can see these or not: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw12253.jpg and http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw12254.jpg and http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw12256.jpg |
| 20:08.42 | Guillotine | win |
| 20:08.54 | Guillotine | I love htat minimap |
| 20:08.58 | Guillotine | that* |
| 20:10.16 | dylanm | Hahahahahaha. |
| 20:10.28 | dylanm | Allow it are you crazy. |
| 20:13.03 | Guillotine | Hell, its no worse than HKUI |
| 20:13.10 | Cairenn | yes it is! |
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| 20:30.24 | Guillotine | http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/ lol |
| 20:33.13 | Shirik | Anyone know the printf format specifier for a long long? |
| 20:33.29 | Shirik | or is there one for a pointer? |
| 20:35.08 | nevcairiel | %lld |
| 20:35.17 | Shirik | <3 |
| 20:35.23 | nevcairiel | %p is pointer |
| 20:35.40 | Shirik | oh that's even better |
| 20:35.42 | Shirik | <3 <3 |
| 20:36.39 | nevcairiel | love my C manual by kerningham/richie =P |
| 20:36.52 | nevcairiel | -n |
| 20:40.57 | Kalroth | your C maual? |
| 20:41.12 | Kalroth | hides. |
| 20:41.26 | bleetah | Cairenn: why not just go out on a limb, assume they're copyright and ask the author for proof that they're not ;) |
| 20:41.55 | Lopeppeppy | True. Make it the burden of proof on the author. |
| 20:42.45 | bleetah | I don't think that's too unreasonable, where (C) is .. questionable |
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| 20:55.08 | Atriace | nevcairiel: ping |
| 20:55.29 | nevcairiel | ? |
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| 20:55.59 | Atriace | Do you have a function for enabling a bar? |
| 20:56.43 | Atriace | Using "Enabled = true," simply puts a checkmark in the menu, but doesn't actually turn it on. |
| 20:59.40 | nevcairiel | you need to call :RefreshBars() after changing settings |
| 20:59.41 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 20:59.56 | Atriace | Did that |
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| 21:37.15 | Industrial | wow doesnt like getting summoned while in flight |
| 21:37.24 | Industrial | 20s ec and counting screen freeze |
| 21:38.00 | zenzelezz | I haven't had that problem |
| 21:40.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, so |
| 21:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I have an addon on my second computer which forwards whispers to my primary computer |
| 21:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That stat hack spammer never knew he'd get two for one |
| 21:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I sat there for a second wondering why my bank alt just spammed me.. |
| 21:41.12 | zenzelezz | stat hack spammer? |
| 21:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | www.wow-advantage.com |
| 21:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | " DETECTION UPGRADES: The Stat Changer is now COMPLETELY UNDETECTABLE! We know our software is undetectable, so much that we are willing to give you any level 70 you want, including 5,000 gold if you ever get banned!" |
| 21:42.29 | Lopeppeppy | gold... after you're banned.... |
| 21:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that leveling from 1 to 70 in a day will get you detected |
| 21:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Call it a guess |
| 21:43.16 | zenzelezz | has been done actually |
| 21:43.20 | zenzelezz | according to worldofraids |
| 21:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a difference though ;) |
| 21:43.56 | zenzelezz | then you left out info in your statement |
| 21:44.04 | zenzelezz | sounded like a pure time vs. level check |
| 21:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Three whispers in 5 minutes |
| 21:47.08 | Guillotine | HAHAHA |
| 21:47.14 | Guillotine | theres a language <Zombie> |
| 21:47.20 | Guillotine | that includes words like "braaains" |
| 21:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:47.36 | Guillotine | in fact |
| 21:47.55 | Guillotine | the only words in that lanugage file are "brains" "braainss" and "." ".." "...", ect. |
| 21:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Where is this? |
| 21:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I get "Unknown language" |
| 21:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 21:48.32 | Guillotine | the Languages and LanguageWords dbc files |
| 21:48.56 | ScytheBlade1 | This saddens me |
| 21:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Unknown language :( |
| 21:49.19 | Guillotine | Aww, so we can't use it ingame? |
| 21:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | If you can't use it in game, it gives you "You don't know that language" |
| 21:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | This is the API call yelling at me |
| 21:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Saying "that really doesn't exists lol" |
| 21:50.04 | Guillotine | hmm, may be new to this PTR, lets see |
| 21:51.19 | Guillotine | ah |
| 21:51.20 | Guillotine | new to PTR |
| 21:51.25 | Guillotine | says "You cannot speak that language" on PTR |
| 21:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 21:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Depressing |
| 21:51.50 | Guillotine | oh well |
| 21:56.11 | batrick | that chuck norris ui is fuckin hilarious |
| 21:56.16 | batrick | approve it Cairenn ! |
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| 21:59.50 | Vangual | chuck norris ui? |
| 22:00.10 | Vangual | replaced the samwise spell-icon by chuck's head? |
| 22:01.30 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8446-ChuckNorrisUI.html |
| 22:02.08 | Vangual | holy |
| 22:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Worse than Hello Kitty! |
| 22:03.18 | Vangual | heh, he even made the effort of dressing his paperdoll like the background ad |
| 22:05.29 | zenzelezz | to be honest I think it's pretty wicked |
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| 22:32.37 | Lej | anyone happen to know how to find out if there's a weapon that uses the model Sword_1H_Horde_B_04? |
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| 22:35.21 | |Jelly|Laptop | Peppy! |
| 22:35.35 | zenzelezz | omg, Jelly's actually alive? |
| 22:35.40 | |Jelly|Laptop | no |
| 22:35.45 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-love. Happy Easter! |
| 22:35.46 | Gnarfoz | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214397/EN-US/ |
| 22:35.48 | |Jelly|Laptop | Work is killing my soul's face off. |
| 22:36.12 | zenzelezz | I was more referring to your constant dis/reconnects |
| 22:36.35 | |Jelly|Laptop | You can thank my roomie's apparent need for a fucking phone. |
| 22:36.50 | |Jelly|Laptop | Every time the god damned thing rings, the internet dies ... even with a filter. |
| 22:36.56 | zenzelezz | ew |
| 22:36.59 | |Jelly|Laptop | My give-a-shit is broke so I haven't messed with it./ |
| 22:37.02 | zenzelezz | had that at my mom's place :-| |
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| 22:37.32 | Lopeppeppy | hugs |Jelly| |
| 22:38.05 | |Jelly|Laptop | hugs Peppy. |
| 22:38.10 | Gnarfoz | someone fails at dsl? :> |
| 22:38.28 | |Jelly|Laptop | It's SBC ... why would you expect less? |
| 22:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly wins at hugs. |
| 22:38.37 | |Jelly|Laptop | Plus, it's allowed me to develop an alcohol addiction. |
| 22:38.53 | Gnarfoz | It's <company I don't know because it's on another continent> |
| 22:39.04 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly... |
| 22:39.30 | |Jelly|Laptop | Kind of funny though, my tips have gone up while I'm drunk. Who knew? |
| 22:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe you laugh more? |
| 22:39.57 | |Jelly|Laptop | ...I guess |
| 22:40.11 | |Jelly|Laptop | I'm glad I wasn't drunk last night though- had a horrible hypoglycemic attack. |
| 22:41.48 | Gnarfoz | a what :< |
| 22:41.51 | zenzelezz | you did or someone else did? |
| 22:42.03 | |Jelly|Laptop | I did |
| 22:42.31 | |Jelly|Laptop | blood sugar crashed. it was kind of kek ... until, you know, i felt like shit. lol |
| 22:42.53 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.weezelworld.com/pg/images/itwillfindyou.jpg |
| 22:44.18 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 22:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | slol |
| 22:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | *lol |
| 22:48.41 | Gnarfoz | so, Microsoft's TCP stack actually queues actual packets (not only ACKs) for 200ms or until the MTU is filled... |
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| 22:54.03 | |Jelly|Laptop | ...for instance |
| 22:54.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. |
| 22:56.10 | kd3 | neat... a shot of aurora borealis from the ISS http://static.reuters.com/resources/pictures/galleries/Stories/633308185815625000/Previews/032103.jpg?rpc=64 |
| 22:57.19 | art3mis | nice |
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| 22:59.29 | zenzelezz | pretty cool, but they look nicer from down here |
| 23:02.31 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JwbvrHJPY |
| 23:06.31 | Atriace | I wish there was a list of patch changes per update to the PTR. |
| 23:11.40 | bleetah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5461909586&sid=1 |
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| 23:12.16 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.07 | bleetah | thought you'd like that, kd3 |
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| 23:14.58 | Atriace | woah... |
| 23:15.59 | Atriace | I set a texture's file path to a targa, but the targa wasn't there, rather a blp with the same name, so rather than throw up a null texture, it used the blp. Weird. |
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| 23:17.26 | Atriace | ok... now it's annoying. Both a tga and a blp are in the same directory, and it defaults to the blp. |
| 23:18.48 | haste | it's wierd since all of blizzard textures are blp? |
| 23:18.57 | haste | or did it strip .tga from the path? |
| 23:19.04 | Atriace | it's weird since they're my textures in my directory. |
| 23:19.22 | Atriace | Both a blp and tga in the same folder, you specify the tga, and it defaults to the blp. |
| 23:19.37 | zenzelezz | that's after a complete restart of WoW? |
| 23:19.38 | Atriace | remove the blp, reload, uses tga. |
| 23:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Restart |
| 23:19.48 | Atriace | And yeah, I restarted. |
| 23:19.53 | Atriace | this is after the fact |
| 23:20.24 | Atriace | Not really an issue, since I have no need of two of the same named image with two file formats, but still... weird. |
| 23:21.25 | zenzelezz | could be a convenience feature for their own development |
| 23:22.29 | sag_ich_nicht | does silent resolve still reduce the threat from VE? |
| 23:23.00 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.58 | Atriace | SR is only for Holy/Disc |
| 23:24.23 | Atriace | And the PTR doesn't show that to have changed. VE is shadow. |
| 23:24.48 | sag_ich_nicht | look no. |
| 23:25.03 | sag_ich_nicht | what it says in the tooltip did not match it's behaviour in the past |
| 23:25.08 | sag_ich_nicht | so my question |
| 23:25.21 | sag_ich_nicht | you don't sound like you're all to sure about this or knew about this behaviour |
| 23:25.37 | Atriace | I'm a Shadow Priest. |
| 23:25.43 | sag_ich_nicht | that's great. |
| 23:26.11 | sag_ich_nicht | waits for Antiarc |
| 23:30.01 | Nechckn | kd3 btw, those are some amazing images from the ISS |
| 23:30.17 | Industrial | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/emokid2.jpg |
| 23:30.21 | Industrial | emokid, you make me cry |
| 23:30.29 | Industrial | (of laughter) |
| 23:30.43 | Nechckn | oh.my. Industrial that is something there |
| 23:30.53 | Industrial | xD |
| 23:31.01 | zenzelezz | at last we know what Industrial looks like |
| 23:31.02 | Nechckn | He's just misunderstood |
| 23:31.03 | sag_ich_nicht | ha |
| 23:31.04 | sag_ich_nicht | knew it |
| 23:31.07 | Nechckn | HA!!! |
| 23:31.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Atriace you're a newb |
| 23:31.15 | Nechckn | zenzelezz ftw! |
| 23:31.35 | sag_ich_nicht | Atriace i suggest you give this a read: http://pastey.net/84285 |
| 23:32.20 | sag_ich_nicht | directly from Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ClassModules\Priest.lua |
| 23:32.20 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 23:32.26 | Atriace | sag_ich_nicht: As of Patch 2.0.10, Silent Resolve no longer reduces threat generated by Shadow spells. There is some discussion as to whether this reduces the threat generated by using Vampiric Embrace or not. Though Blizzard claims that Silent Resolve does not reduce threat from Vampiric Embrace healing, testing from threat meter authors seems to indicate differently. |
| 23:32.39 | Atriace | "officially" it shouldn't affect threat. |
| 23:32.45 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. guess what that dicussion was justified |
| 23:32.46 | sag_ich_nicht | so? |
| 23:32.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i didn't ask that |
| 23:32.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i asked if it in fact DOES |
| 23:32.58 | sag_ich_nicht | and if this DOES change in 2.4 |
| 23:33.01 | Amarande | hmm, is MP5 worth keeping on a DPS caster? |
| 23:33.04 | sag_ich_nicht | CURRENTLY it DOES affect it |
| 23:33.33 | Atriace | notices ego inflation. |
| 23:33.37 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 23:33.47 | Amarande | thinking of upgrading to a blue staff |
| 23:33.49 | Amarande | but then I lose 10mp5 |
| 23:33.53 | Amarande | which is almost all the mp5 I have, really |
| 23:34.03 | Amarande | or is mp5 worthless on an affliction lock? |
| 23:34.32 | Nechckn | weren't changes coming to make mp5 more important to locks and STA less important? |
| 23:34.47 | Nechckn | or maybe just INT |
| 23:34.55 | Nechckn | I forget... never mind me... =) |
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| 23:35.49 | bam_ | anyone else having problems with not seeing addons on the PTR? |
| 23:36.09 | kd3 | you install them for the PTR? |
| 23:36.28 | dylanm | You have to copy them into WoWTest/Interface/AddOns |
| 23:36.32 | bam_ | yea... tested lots of times before.. I know how to do it :) |
| 23:36.43 | bam_ | but nothing is showing up... this is on Mac btw |
| 23:36.58 | Nechckn | well, that explains everything then! =) |
| 23:37.02 | bam_ | hehe |
| 23:37.06 | kd3 | you copied them over while the ptr wasn't running, right? |
| 23:37.14 | bam_ | aye |
| 23:37.25 | Nechckn | hmm... is it all or only certain ones? |
| 23:37.30 | bam_ | all |
| 23:37.31 | Vangual | you working with symlinks? think that's still bugged atm in the 2.4 client |
| 23:37.55 | bam_ | I did at first... but now I've reinstalled completely and not using any symlinks |
| 23:38.17 | bam_ | hmm it's on a secondary disk... could that be it? |
| 23:38.37 | bam_ | I will try moving it anyway... |
| 23:39.46 | bam_ | actually... do Blizzard store anything outside of the wow-folder itself? I did have it installed in a different location previously |
| 23:40.08 | kd3 | nope. it should all be self-contained inside /apps/World of Warcraft |
| 23:42.06 | AnduinLothar | is it jsut me or does your body take longer to stop turning in 2.4 |
| 23:42.28 | AnduinLothar | like hold down the right button and rotate your screen 90 degrees |
| 23:42.29 | bam_ | must the WoWTest folder be located inside the original wow-folder? |
| 23:42.43 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:42.49 | Atriace | AnduinLothar: it does seem that way. |
| 23:42.57 | kd3 | because it's not a full install and pulls data from the regular wow data directory if there's not a copy in wowtest |
| 23:42.59 | bam_ | ok guess I'll have to move a lot then :P |
| 23:43.26 | bam_ | aha... I'm still using symlinks in the original.... I wonder... |
| 23:45.49 | AnduinLothar | :) the new ultalisks look badass |
| 23:46.14 | dylanm | Keyboard turn lolololol |
| 23:46.30 | AnduinLothar | and is that sposed to be kerigan's voice int he zerg trailer? sounds different |
| 23:46.30 | dylanm | :) |
| 23:46.47 | Atriace | Didn't like the VA either. |
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| 23:50.49 | bam_ | euhm... the test client does use its own Interface folder still, right? |
| 23:51.06 | Atriace | Aye |
| 23:51.30 | bam_ | this is really strange :| |
| 23:51.31 | Nechckn | \worldofwarcraft\wowtest\interface\addons |
| 23:51.34 | Nechckn | etc.. |
| 23:52.21 | bam_ | what was the symlink problem you mentioned? |
| 23:52.39 | bam_ | got a feeling this could be related... |
| 23:53.01 | zenzelezz | the 2.4 client (on mac) currently simply does not follow symlinks, IIRC |
| 23:53.09 | bam_ | ok |
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| 23:53.55 | bam_ | and it's a bug I hope? I use it quite a lot :P |
| 23:54.50 | haste | it is |
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| 23:56.54 | Gnarfoz | and they already said: won't be fixed for release |
| 23:57.08 | bam_ | whaaa? |
| 23:57.34 | bam_ | that makes me a sad puppy :( |
| 23:57.46 | Gnarfoz | deal with it, just put the files there =] |
| 23:58.09 | bam_ | means changing completely how I work :/ |
| 23:59.04 | Amarande | you'll just have to use hard links |
| 23:59.21 | bam_ | that can only be done on files, right? |
| 23:59.23 | Gnarfoz | which work only for files |
