| 00:01.49 | Fin | by fire be purged! |
| 00:02.59 | p3lim | hm.. give a person 48 hours to download it perhaps? |
| 00:03.04 | p3lim | then purge |
| 00:03.41 | wereHamster | or 3 days after nobody downloaded it, in case there's big interest in the file :) |
| 00:03.46 | Amarande | whatever happened to the good old days of anonymous FTP archives? |
| 00:03.49 | Amarande | like back in the days of DOOM |
| 00:04.00 | Amarande | it was understood that you loaded an FTP client and went to ftp.cdrom.com or its mirrors |
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| 00:04.19 | Amarande | now everything is in these over-graphical, ad-laden HTTP 'download services' |
| 00:04.22 | Amarande | whatever happened to FTP? |
| 00:04.52 | Amarande | well besides the fact that it's insecure for any applications other than an anonymous download archive, and that wu-ftpd made port 21 better known as "remote root for anyone" :S |
| 00:05.33 | Amarande | (though oddly enough, the one time I remember having had root compromised on a Linux box of mine, it was through DNS ... go figure) |
| 00:05.49 | wereHamster | I'll never put ads on any of my services.. |
| 00:06.32 | wereHamster | just a simple http form + apache dirlisting |
| 00:07.34 | Amarande | wereHamster: why not just run anonymous ftp, then |
| 00:08.03 | Amarande | as long as the ftpd is secure, the security issues associated with FTP vs. SFTP/SCP don't apply to simple download archives |
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| 00:09.01 | wereHamster | I don't think the server runs ftp, and I don't want to install any additional packages since it's sortof not my server.. |
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| 00:25.51 | kd3 | eesh |
| 00:26.00 | kd3 | 3 builds and they still haven't fixed the dragonhawk models |
| 00:27.16 | Corrodias | whipping is the only solution |
| 00:28.04 | Amarande | they're dragonhawks, does anyone other than noob blood elves really care about them? :) |
| 00:28.23 | Corrodias | hunters who like to break CC |
| 00:29.23 | alestane | The Character Shadows option no longer causes weird black bloacks to show up at peoples' feet, but I don't think I see the shadows either. |
| 00:29.41 | Shirik | <3 <3 <3 |
| 00:29.44 | Shirik | Pandora has Gackt now! |
| 00:30.02 | Shirik | and other Japanese music! |
| 00:31.10 | Shirik | WobWork: ping |
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| 00:36.11 | Josh_Borke | he's asleep |
| 00:47.23 | MentalPower | SFW if you were wondering |
| 00:47.31 | |pez| | yesyes |
| 00:47.35 | |pez| | it's a pair of shoes. |
| 00:48.10 | Guillotine | I so know what I'm doing next time I have a couple days off. I'm going to drive the 20 mins to blizz HQ and stand outside with big protest signs saying "Don't use getglobal" "Down with getglobal" |
| 00:48.25 | Guillotine | I mean, I can understand it being in legacy code, but they keep adding it in |
| 00:48.40 | alestane | And "this", and "arg1", and a bunch of other stuff. |
| 00:48.48 | Guillotine | Anybody else live in the SoCal area and want to come with me? |
| 00:49.03 | Lunessa | Haha.. |
| 00:49.14 | Lunessa | They had an open house Saturday. |
| 00:49.27 | MentalPower | Blizz, open house? |
| 00:49.35 | MentalPower | those two words kinda don't go together |
| 00:49.37 | Lunessa | BBQ and a tour and stuff for invited guests. |
| 00:50.00 | Seerah | how did people get "invited"? |
| 00:50.14 | Lunessa | Not sure, but my s/o and her brother got a chance to go. |
| 00:50.14 | Guillotine | people in the industry |
| 00:50.31 | alestane | Anyone out there have experience with <RelDimension>? |
| 00:52.17 | alestane | |pez|: my wife would like those shoes. |
| 00:52.24 | kd3 | good grief... |
| 00:52.33 | kd3 | _G apparently has 23463 keys |
| 00:52.45 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dump_G |
| 00:52.54 | |pez| | alestane: they're awesome XD |
| 00:53.12 | Lunessa | alestane: Your wife has excellent taste in fetish/stripper gear. |
| 00:53.26 | |pez| | these could also be cool, if they didn't have the plasticy solething - http://www.pleaserusa.com/pic/KISS-239BC.jpg |
| 00:53.28 | |pez| | black ftw. |
| 00:53.34 | alestane | Well, she likes things that lace up. |
| 00:54.36 | Amarande | meh, I envy you married folks |
| 00:56.41 | WobWork | Shirik: ack |
| 00:56.44 | batrick | Shirik: |-| that close to being done |
| 00:57.03 | Shirik | WobWork: a few requests for xparky if you don't mind? |
| 00:57.10 | WobWork | hit me |
| 00:57.16 | Shirik | (1) sort the reputation list |
| 00:57.31 | Shirik | like alphabetical orer |
| 00:57.33 | WobWork | painful with ace3config =) |
| 00:57.38 | WobWork | but I'll figure it out |
| 00:57.43 | |pez| | I want these too http://www.pleaserusa.com/pic/electra-1028-bpu.jpg |
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| 00:59.00 | Shirik | (2) If I have the reputation list |
| 00:59.06 | Shirik | and I click outside of it, I expect it to collapse |
| 00:59.12 | Shirik | but instead it just goes behind the window |
| 00:59.15 | Shirik | (picky bug, I know) |
| 00:59.43 | |Jelly| | BG as holy is :| |
| 00:59.56 | alestane | Lunessa: My wife actually tried on a pair of those pointe-style heels once and pronounced them "someday". |
| 01:00.14 | |pez| | I've gotten a shoe fetish lately, it's scary |
| 01:00.15 | |pez| | http://www.pleaserusa.com/pic/delight-1028-b.jpg |
| 01:00.15 | Lunessa | alestane: you're a lucky man. |
| 01:00.23 | WobWork | Shirik: hm, that might be an Ace3Config issue |
| 01:00.31 | WobWork | Shirik: prod Narg |
| 01:00.42 | Shirik | narg? |
| 01:00.49 | Lunessa | No, |pez| you're just flushing out fetish freaks in here to flirt with - it's too easy - like dynamiting fish. |
| 01:00.50 | WobWork | are you using the Ace3 standalone? or the /xparky direct menu? |
| 01:00.56 | WobWork | nargiddley |
| 01:01.08 | Shirik | I don't have ace3 installed unless you installed it when I installed xparky |
| 01:01.08 | |pez| | Lunessa: Am not! |
| 01:01.13 | Shirik | I am only using the package on wowi |
| 01:01.18 | WobWork | good good |
| 01:02.16 | Lunessa | Xparky is <3 |
| 01:02.45 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion mightykane |
| 01:02.49 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Mightykane, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (17/44/0). 12237 HP; 10216 Armour; 1650 AP; 209.000 Melee DPS; 32.65% melee crit; 107 melee hit; 4.79% dodge; 5.00% block; 325 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 828 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2h6hpk ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2qugev ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:12:45 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:03.51 | WobWork | Shirik: Are you clicking outside of the entire config window, or within the window but out of the dropdown? |
| 01:04.05 | Shirik | in the window but out of the dropdown |
| 01:04.10 | Shirik | specifically, usually on the arrow on the dropdown box |
| 01:04.29 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion datank |
| 01:04.30 | Shirik | no nm |
| 01:04.32 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Datank, Level 70 Tauren Warrior (8/5/48). 15219 HP; 15718 Armour; 836 AP; 145.700 Melee DPS; 11.23% melee crit; 29 melee hit; 310 defense; 13.59% dodge; 22.38% block; 23 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 836 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2b3uw9 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3xlwdz ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:14:29 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:04.34 | Shirik | immediately below the arrow |
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| 01:08.57 | batrick | o ya? |
| 01:10.24 | WobWork | Shirik: I'll ask him |
| 01:10.34 | MentalPower | !c us alleria sarox |
| 01:10.38 | WoWLuaircBot | MentalPower: Sarox, Level 70 Dwarf Rogue (5/15/41). 8034 HP; 1360 AP; 241.800 Melee DPS; 19.29% melee crit; 44 melee hit; 28.78% dodge; 10 frost resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1079 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2frdyy ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2l4fa7 ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:20:34 2008 EST ]] |
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| 01:11.10 | Rayne | O_o |
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| 01:28.41 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion selken |
| 01:28.45 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Selken, Level 70 Tauren Druid (0/0/60). 6798 HP; 8285 Mana; 311 mana regen; 114 mp5; 71.100 Melee DPS; 393 +spell dmg; 1176 +heal; 6.56% dodge; 10 nature resist (+10); +33 all resists (+10 nature);[[ TBR: 721 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytvdb2 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wahh9 ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:38:41 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:29.16 | sacarasc | !c eu darkmoon faire yanil |
| 01:30.32 | WoWLuaircBot | sacarasc: yanil is not the character you are looking for! |
| 01:30.51 | sacarasc | eu armory is dead, i think |
| 01:31.50 | WobWork | http://www.featherlady.net/index.html |
| 01:31.53 | WobWork | that's kinda cool |
| 01:32.36 | MentalPower | it is, my sister has a few of those in her house, diff artist tho |
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| 01:45.05 | Cairenn | for those of you who have been wondering why I've been bitching about the snow so much this year |
| 01:45.06 | Cairenn | we are 33 cm short of tying the all time record for the area, we've had 410.7 cm - that's 161.69 inches or 13.47 feet |
| 01:45.52 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion mishneytu |
| 01:45.56 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Mishneytu, Level 70 Tauren Druid (0/47/14). 9339 HP; 5135 Mana; 100 mana regen; 3721 Armour; 852 AP; 139.400 Melee DPS; 17.95% melee crit; 117 melee hit; 15 +spell dmg; 42 +heal; 19.99% dodge; 143 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1799 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqe4se ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32sn2t ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:55:52 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:46.05 | |Jelly| | ~hug Cairenn |
| 01:46.05 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn |
| 01:46.16 | MentalPower | 13' of snow... wow... |
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| 01:47.56 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion alindene |
| 01:48.00 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Alindene, Level 70 Blood Elf Rogue (20/0/41). 10774 HP; +10 Energy; 4033 Armour; 1788 AP; 338.000 Melee DPS; 32.02% melee crit; 88 melee hit; 26.86% dodge; 381 resilience;[[ TBR: 1125 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/26z8ky ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35cm94 ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:57:56 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:48.21 | Amarande | neat. |
| 01:48.27 | Amarande | !c us turalyon alvaerin |
| 01:48.30 | WoWLuaircBot | Amarande: Alvaerin, Level 70 Blood Elf Warlock (45/5/11). 6810 HP; 6985 Mana; 153 mana regen; 4 mp5; 76 spell crit; 522 +spell dmg; 4.20% dodge;[[ TBR: 559 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytcng6 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2omdl5 ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:58:26 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:48.43 | Corrodias | !c us eldre'thalas melnayo |
| 01:48.46 | WoWLuaircBot | Corrodias: Melnayo, Level 70 Tauren Druid (0/47/14). 10620 HP; 5765 Mana; 112 mana regen; 33 mp5; 6896 Armour; 646 AP; 128.000 Melee DPS; 15.92% melee crit; 47 melee hit; 11 +spell dmg; 31 +heal; 116 defense; 32.30% dodge; 24 resilience; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 830 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yu8tc7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wlxze ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:58:43 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:49.01 | Corrodias | probably makes more sense if i'm in some form |
| 01:49.09 | Amarande | what's TBR mean? |
| 01:49.15 | |Jelly| | ~tbr |
| 01:49.16 | purl | rumour has it, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 01:49.20 | Corrodias | 830... i have no idea |
| 01:49.38 | Amarande | heh, mine looks low |
| 01:49.48 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 01:49.51 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (18/43/0). 6621 HP; 9900 Mana; 343 mana regen; 162 mp5; 616 +spell dmg; 1643 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 18 resilience;[[ TBR: 936 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 21:59:47 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:49.55 | Corrodias | your HP is below 7k, so that's not a surprise |
| 01:49.55 | Amarande | which I'm not surprised, since I'm in mostly greens and only dinged 70 yesterday |
| 01:50.17 | Amarande | hence, you can see my difficulty in finding suitable folks to hang with for 70 content |
| 01:50.21 | Corrodias | believe me, mine's really low, because i hate pvp, that's just raiding gear, and i'm not in a form |
| 01:50.23 | Amarande | I have a clue, but not the gear |
| 01:50.40 | Amarande | !c us turalyon amarelya |
| 01:50.44 | WoWLuaircBot | Amarande: Amarelya, Level 60 Blood Elf Priest (10/0/41). 3437 HP; 4966 Mana; 170 mana regen; 3 mp5; 12 spell crit; 237 +spell dmg; 256 +heal; 64 shadow dmg (301); 4.97% dodge;[[ TBR: 578 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2d9ozl ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35yo6g ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 22:00:40 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:50.51 | Corrodias | i wonder what a decent PVPer ranks there, halfway decent at least |
| 01:50.58 | Amarande | Good God. |
| 01:51.05 | Amarande | Why does my warlock have a worse TBR than my priest? |
| 01:51.40 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion bairren us burning legion jelly |
| 01:51.40 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 01:51.42 | Corrodias | i have no idea |
| 01:51.52 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion bairran us burning legion jelly |
| 01:51.57 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Bairran vs Jelly! A L70 warrior and a L70 priest square off!; 8/9/44 vs 18/43/0; Jelly wins by 258 TBRs! |
| 01:52.03 | Kaso | What's the TBR metric? |
| 01:52.10 | |Jelly| | That's right! I healed through his assault! |
| 01:52.15 | Amarande | I wonder if lower level characters get away with me |
| 01:52.17 | Amarande | er, with more |
| 01:52.22 | Amarande | !c us turalyon amalanya |
| 01:52.26 | WoWLuaircBot | Amarande: Amalanya, Level 11 Undead Warrior (0/0/2). 315 HP; 91 AP; 14.500 Melee DPS; 5.73% melee crit; 5.01% dodge; 5.32% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 104 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yswv7k ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3cguga ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 22:02:22 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:52.46 | Corrodias | i really wish KOTOR was available via Steam :( |
| 01:52.47 | Amarande | !c us turalyon amaagnar |
| 01:52.53 | WoWLuaircBot | Amarande: Amaagnar, Level 16 Orc Hunter (7/0/0). 496 HP; 445 Mana; 61 mana regen; 20.500 Melee DPS; 4.02% melee crit; 24.30 Ranged DPS; 4.38% ranged crit; 3.79% dodge;[[ TBR: 249 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/259afe ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mvt2y ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 22:02:47 2008 EST ]] |
| 01:53.01 | Corrodias | i wonder if there's any way i can avoid buying discs |
| 01:53.21 | |Jelly| | www.torrent-reactor.com (don't think this is the actual URL but you get the idea) |
| 01:53.24 | Corrodias | i haven't put a CD in to play a game in over a year, but that's because i've been playing WoW for a year. |
| 01:53.32 | |Jelly| | Just download the cds. (Note: I didn't say download a crack. :P ) |
| 01:53.47 | Corrodias | yeah, just have to see if it can use images without a crack |
| 01:54.05 | Corrodias | i've bought CD keys for Neverwinter Nights and Diablo 2 before |
| 01:54.31 | Corrodias | it was good to find somebody selling NWN from Taiwan for like $15 and have them just email me the key instead of mailing the disc |
| 01:54.49 | Corrodias | or was it $5... |
| 01:55.00 | Amarande | hmm, wonder how TBR handles heal specced players |
| 01:55.04 | Amarande | !c us turalyon bridonna |
| 01:55.08 | WoWLuaircBot | Amarande: Bridonna, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (14/0/47). 5371 HP; 7215 Mana; 237 mana regen; 113 mp5; 96 spell crit; 12 spell hit; 612 +spell dmg; 1270 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 17 resilience;[[ TBR: 541 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/27juxt ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/32tk5s ][ Updated: Tue Mar 11 22:05:04 2008 EST ]] |
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| 02:05.05 | alestane | Cool, Bodies of water are finally properly transparent to me on the PTR. |
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| 02:38.51 | Fin | may I ask where that copy of the latest PTR patch was that people were discussing earlier? |
| 02:40.01 | Shirik | I'm #12 in DPS |
| 02:40.05 | Shirik | and we only have 10 people in the raid |
| 02:42.36 | alestane | Pets? |
| 02:42.57 | Amarande | Shirik: are you raiding with greens :S |
| 02:43.17 | Shirik | no |
| 02:43.19 | Shirik | I'm raiding as a healer >< |
| 02:46.23 | MentalPower | Antiarc: ping! |
| 02:50.03 | Cairenn | art3mis: just to make your day: http://www.savingadvice.com/images/blog/hello-kitty-superman.jpg |
| 02:50.33 | Rayne | Well |
| 02:50.52 | Rayne | my eePanels decided to self destruct on me in the middle of a raid. happy days. |
| 02:56.50 | Cairenn | and you guys can blame this one on dolby-wowi, he gave me the link: http://www.santorine.org/adolph/ohyes.html NSFW |
| 02:57.19 | Amarande | heh, I've really only had two major UI issues that are or might be addon based |
| 02:57.33 | Amarande | a) bartender sometimes squishes or stretches my pet bar for no good reason |
| 02:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I saw that earlier |
| 02:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It was (is?) on digg |
| 02:58.22 | Amarande | b) sometimes, and I think this might be a game rather than UI issue though as /reloadui doesn't fix |
| 02:58.33 | Amarande | when I prospect ore, the loot window doesn't come up, and won't come up no matter how many times I try |
| 02:58.41 | Amarande | then I exit and reenter the game entirely and only then does it work |
| 02:58.57 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 02:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I just read the source of that page |
| 02:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | if (event.button==2||event.button==3)alert('Not without permission, sphincter') |
| 02:59.49 | Duman | pahah |
| 03:07.40 | *** part/#wowi-lounge alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:18.03 | MentalPower | aww... http://bp2.blogger.com/_un5FhB9_xJg/RjOCQS9Y_LI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/Fn53kWq4KRQ/s1600-h/HelloKittyVader.bmp http://bp1.blogger.com/_un5FhB9_xJg/RjOCDC9Y_KI/AAAAAAAAAMI/K0zHRJMyk9o/s1600-h/WhiteVader.jpg |
| 03:18.10 | MentalPower | too bad its fake, it really looks nice |
| 03:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: you linked a bitmap. Die. |
| 03:21.10 | MentalPower | oh come off it |
| 03:21.19 | MentalPower | you prolly didn't even notice the time delay |
| 03:21.33 | Shirik | I didn't notice it either :P |
| 03:21.40 | Shirik | until he said that |
| 03:21.40 | MentalPower | its RLE compressed |
| 03:22.11 | MentalPower | its actually smaller than the JPEG original |
| 03:22.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I really wish I knew why people would do that |
| 03:22.24 | Shirik | with the whole "haha I used javascript so you can't download my pictures" |
| 03:22.26 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:22.28 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:23.13 | Lunessa | Cairenn: That is evil... |
| 03:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: I didn't click, I just looked at the link |
| 03:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The both of those pictures are ancient :P |
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| 03:29.14 | Lunessa | See you all tomorrow. |
| 03:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | cya |
| 03:30.12 | MentalPower | http://www.funny-potato.com/superman-costumes.html |
| 03:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, what? Cyclone got nerfed? |
| 03:30.34 | kd3 | 10 whole yards |
| 03:30.35 | kd3 | oh noes |
| 03:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually a lot more tame than I was expecting |
| 03:31.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But it fits well |
| 03:31.13 | kd3 | oh sweet. grayhoof's updated sct for the ptr |
| 03:31.31 | Cairenn | yeah, been updated on wowi for a couple days now |
| 03:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | What was it before? 20 yards? |
| 03:31.54 | kd3 | it was 30 iirc |
| 03:32.01 | ScytheBlade1 | So now it's 20 or 10? |
| 03:32.05 | kd3 | 20 |
| 03:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 03:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Not even a nerf :P |
| 03:35.10 | Amarande | hmm, world elites in outland being nerfed for 2.4? |
| 03:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Some of them yes |
| 03:43.37 | Amarande | Any favorite solo quests being made into group again (growls at 2.1)? |
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| 04:08.33 | WobWork | dead pixels in the sky? |
| 04:08.49 | Cairenn | with diamonds? |
| 04:09.03 | WobWork | http://xkcd.com/395/ |
| 04:09.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:11.21 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:11.22 | Cairenn | OMG, I just switched over to SouthPark for some bizarre reason, and it's a WoW version! |
| 04:11.25 | Shirik | I put my mouse over that |
| 04:11.35 | kd3 | oh, "make love, not warcraft"? |
| 04:11.35 | Shirik | and tried to figure out why the dead pixels went away |
| 04:11.37 | kd3 | hilarious ep |
| 04:12.03 | Cairenn | yeah, I've seen it, just ... I never watch this show ... of all episodes to be on tonight ... |
| 04:16.08 | Amarande | This could be the end of the world ... of Warcraft. |
| 04:16.23 | art3mis | lewis black is on here |
| 04:16.30 | art3mis | i <3 lewis black |
| 04:17.29 | Amarande | Good God, why do people keep to this ridiculous notion? |
| 04:17.44 | Amarande | There are posts all over wowhead and thottbot that insist that abandoning and retaking a Q affects drop rates |
| 04:18.11 | Amarande | though I suppose it's considered nicer than what one really needs to say |
| 04:18.18 | Amarande | "You are unlucky. God doesn't like you. QQ more." |
| 04:18.21 | Shirik | I was lied to |
| 04:18.24 | Shirik | that's not the warcraft episode |
| 04:19.59 | Cairenn | the one I'm watching is :p |
| 04:20.08 | Cairenn | on the comedy network |
| 04:20.14 | Shirik | comedy network? |
| 04:20.18 | Shirik | they don't call it comedy central? |
| 04:20.25 | Cairenn | whatever |
| 04:20.27 | MentalPower | Amarande: wasn't there a blue post stating that loot is determined on mob spawning? |
| 04:20.52 | kd3 | ya. drysc posted it iirc. and that quest items drop whether or not you're on the quest... they just don't show up if you're not on it |
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| 04:26.39 | WobWork | So the chances of it dropping for you if someone else is also farming for it is less |
| 04:28.07 | MentalPower | no, they're the same |
| 04:28.43 | MentalPower | if there are 100 mobs that drop the item and 2 people farming said mobs, each has a %50 chance to get %50 of the items |
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| 04:33.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just depends on how many mobs are there and how long it takes for you to kill things |
| 04:34.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | as long as there's enough mobs to keep spawning for as many players are killing them then the number's the same, but as soon as you have to start waiting on spawns it's an issue |
| 04:41.36 | Rayne | Anyone want to take my spot tanking Leotheras? |
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| 04:48.43 | Amarande | loot determined on mob spawning ... that seems a bad idea |
| 04:48.53 | MentalPower | y? |
| 04:49.16 | Amarande | that just screams Chinese gold farmers being able to create eventually, if they haven't already which I have to wonder about, a hack to determine what specific mobs are carrying the blue and purple and high value mat loot |
| 04:49.30 | cogwheel | none of that is exposed to the client in any way |
| 04:49.37 | Amarande | so they get all they can reach, and we're stuck farming gold mob by mob |
| 04:49.41 | MentalPower | what cogwheel said |
| 04:49.58 | MentalPower | the client knows not what the mob holds |
| 04:50.10 | MentalPower | till it actually goes and tries to loot it |
| 04:50.16 | cogwheel | unless their programmers are REALLY REALLY DUMB, there's no way client communications would have any way to do anything malicious |
| 04:50.26 | cogwheel | (much like how addons can't possibly steal passwords) |
| 04:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as the data you can see, it's no different from deciding the loot upon death. |
| 04:52.34 | Amarande | Well, some people seem to have it in their head that somehow abandoning a quest will make Q items show up that 'wouldn't drop' before |
| 04:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Quest items are ALWAYS on the mob |
| 04:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Visibility is determined by quest status |
| 04:55.33 | cogwheel | i.e. if the mob is going to drop a quest item, that fact is known at the same time all its other loot is determined |
| 04:58.24 | Duman | ...which is when the mob is spawned |
| 04:58.28 | Duman | :) |
| 04:59.30 | Shirik | it's irrelevant when it is known |
| 04:59.41 | Shirik | whether it's when the mob is spawned or when it dies does not yield any impact on the apparent result |
| 05:00.11 | Antiarc | MentalPower: Pong |
| 05:00.32 | MentalPower | Antiarc: do you have a listing of all the possible combat log sub-events? |
| 05:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: they're listed in the lua |
| 05:00.54 | MentalPower | slouken's list implies that there are more |
| 05:00.57 | MentalPower | oh? |
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| 05:01.10 | Antiarc | Yeah, they're in the combat log source |
| 05:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wdnaddons.com/0408016/AddOns/Blizzard_CombatLog/Blizzard_CombatLog.lua |
| 05:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Line 124 |
| 05:02.34 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: thanks! |
| 05:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:04.27 | Shirik | What is SPELL_INSTAKILL? |
| 05:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | If I bit.bor two mutually exclusive events together, will it match if one of them is present? Or only if both are present? (Which they will never both be present.. hence the question) |
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| 05:06.50 | Duman | heh |
| 05:08.34 | WobWork | Shirik: Corp Por |
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| 05:09.03 | Antiarc | Shirik: Probably things like Archimonde's death touch? |
| 05:09.59 | MentalPower | Shirik: a few things have instakill |
| 05:10.07 | MentalPower | the world borders come to mind |
| 05:10.12 | MentalPower | and the blizzard warders |
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| 05:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind, answered my own question |
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| 05:34.16 | Shirik | is it possible to lose 0 points? |
| 05:34.19 | Shirik | in an arena? |
| 05:34.21 | MentalPower | anyonw here use iTunes+Vista+MSN Messenger? |
| 05:34.23 | Shirik | Like if you really, really suck? |
| 05:34.28 | Shirik | MentalPower: Yup |
| 05:34.37 | Shirik | not frequently, but I do |
| 05:34.46 | MentalPower | does messenger show the currently playing song in iTunes? |
| 05:34.57 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 05:35.06 | Shirik | I never really looked |
| 05:35.20 | MentalPower | drats |
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| 05:37.15 | Amarande | also speaking of 0 points |
| 05:37.30 | Amarande | if your rating goes low enough, do you eventually get no arena points at all until your rating rises, no matter how many matches you play? |
| 05:37.47 | Shirik | that's my point |
| 05:38.06 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:38.10 | Shirik | I see what you mean |
| 05:38.13 | Shirik | !ap 0 |
| 05:38.30 | Shirik | ~lart WoWLuaircBot |
| 05:38.30 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on WoWLuaircBot |
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| 05:38.42 | Shirik | !ap 0000 |
| 05:38.45 | Shirik | !ap 1 |
| 05:38.45 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1 is, 2v2: 10, 3v3: 12, 5v5: 14 |
| 05:38.48 | Shirik | there we go |
| 05:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: you maintain the WDN, yes? |
| 05:39.09 | Cairenn | hey Beladona, how's the wee one? |
| 05:39.10 | Beladona | yes |
| 05:39.36 | Beladona | good, just popping my head in before bed |
| 05:39.55 | Cairenn | he coming home soon? |
| 05:40.12 | Beladona | no definite date yet |
| 05:40.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: got a quick feature suggestion. When viewing a file, throw on <a name="1"> to the corresponding lines - so that way, people could link/bookmark individual lines :) |
| 05:40.32 | Cairenn | but doing well? |
| 05:40.42 | Beladona | already on the list Scythe |
| 05:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh. Cool. :) |
| 05:41.04 | MentalPower | Does anyone have the post where slouken says that the first X bits of the GUID is the mobs family and the last X bits is random? |
| 05:41.16 | MentalPower | I can't find it in the 2.4 changes thread |
| 05:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: that's because it wasn't posted by slouken |
| 05:41.37 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 05:41.47 | MentalPower | zoot? |
| 05:41.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It was reverse engineered by players :P |
| 05:41.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 05:42.00 | MentalPower | you sure? |
| 05:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% |
| 05:42.10 | Beladona | yeah he eats well and stuff. still gaining weight slowly. early guess would be by the end of March we can take him home |
| 05:42.50 | Cairenn | nice :) |
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| 05:43.16 | Beladona | we spend 4 days up there and 3 days home for work so needless to say I don't get much time for anything else |
| 05:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=16#311 |
| 05:44.20 | Beladona | updates to LTR should be on adn tomorrow |
| 05:44.36 | Beladona | ptr rather |
| 05:44.39 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=2 <--The pirate hinted at it |
| 05:44.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's all :D |
| 05:45.14 | Beladona | sorry, hard to type well on an iPhone ;( |
| 05:46.42 | Beladona | newsy. night all, should be around tomorrow |
| 05:49.50 | Amarande | MentalPower: As long as Blizzard didn't do anything completely boneheaded like try to save bandwidth and space by encoding the loot that monster's gonna drop into the 'random' bits |
| 05:50.05 | Amarande | (Which I can actually see a corporation doing, especially under pressure from Financial ...) |
| 05:50.22 | Shirik | !ap 65536 |
| 05:50.22 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 65536 is, 2v2: 1148, 3v3: 1329, 5v5: 1511 |
| 05:50.31 | MentalPower | I don't think blizz is under any pressure to lower BW costs |
| 05:50.57 | Amarande | is that points for ten battles a week, or points per battle? |
| 05:51.00 | MentalPower | I can think of a few places where they could save BW that would be more effective than that |
| 05:51.16 | MentalPower | the armory comes to mind |
| 05:51.18 | Amarande | well, let's just hope they didn't resort to anything stupid like that |
| 05:51.24 | Shirik | Amarande: You only get points at the end of the week, irrelevant of how many battles you've had (assuming you had enough games) |
| 05:51.51 | Amarande | because, thanks to the fact that loot is determined on spawn, Chinese gold farmers would soon be able to determine what mobs had the epix |
| 05:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:52.31 | Cairenn | oh for the love of ... here we go again |
| 05:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Except that epix are like, 0.0000001% drop rate |
| 05:52.42 | Shirik | What are you talkinga bout? |
| 05:52.43 | Cairenn | Amarande: they already went over this with you, just let it go already |
| 05:52.49 | Shirik | No it wouldn't |
| 05:52.53 | Shirik | because the client doesn't know that at the time |
| 05:52.55 | Shirik | only the server does |
| 05:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: read a few lines up |
| 05:53.20 | MentalPower | Shirik: he's saying that blizz could encode the drops in the mobs GUID |
| 05:53.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:53.39 | MentalPower | which I strongly doubt |
| 05:53.46 | Shirik | Well, let's look at it this way |
| 05:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | All things considered I can guarantee that they don't :P |
| 05:53.57 | Shirik | If the GUID is based off a random number (which many are) |
| 05:54.04 | Shirik | and the loot is based off a random number (which it should be) |
| 05:54.11 | Shirik | It is THEORETICALLY possible to figure it out. |
| 05:54.15 | Shirik | Likelihood? |
| 05:54.16 | Shirik | No. |
| 05:54.18 | Shirik | Very no. |
| 05:54.38 | art3mis | you've also got the odds against you shirik |
| 05:54.49 | Amarande | I am probably being paranoid. |
| 05:54.55 | Shirik | very much so |
| 05:55.01 | art3mis | figure 10's of thousands recording and corellating 100's of thousands of kills |
| 05:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me put this in a single line |
| 05:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | "The client has no clue what items the mob will drop until the mob is looted." |
| 05:55.20 | art3mis | granted the fact that they'll figure it out is slim |
| 05:55.26 | art3mis | but thats not to say it cant be done |
| 05:55.37 | Shirik | it also assumes the GUID is based off a random number |
| 05:55.39 | Shirik | it may not be |
| 05:55.39 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: a legit client" |
| 05:55.49 | Shirik | art3mis: No, any client |
| 05:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: as compared to a client that can h4x the servers? |
| 05:56.03 | Shirik | The server has no reason to tell any client, legit or not, what loot is on the mob before it is looted |
| 05:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And, because of that fact |
| 05:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't. |
| 05:56.23 | art3mis | rememebr that bug at the altar of storms? |
| 05:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 05:56.31 | art3mis | where it would show weapons if it had weapons? |
| 05:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | What? |
| 05:56.46 | art3mis | so you see a mob witha krol; blade it dropped a krol blade |
| 05:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 05:56.57 | NightHawkTheSane | any prot pallys around? I want to know what you guys do when your shield breaks in the middle of a big pull |
| 05:57.04 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: serious |
| 05:57.06 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:57.07 | art3mis | just that one area |
| 05:57.09 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: You cry |
| 05:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I imagine that that bug was squashed pretty quickly |
| 05:57.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: haha |
| 05:57.22 | art3mis | all the mobs seemed to equip whatever they loaded with |
| 05:57.26 | art3mis | nope |
| 05:57.30 | Amarande | I think Guild Wars either is or was that way, too |
| 05:57.30 | art3mis | its still there and well known |
| 05:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Just at the Altar of Storms? |
| 05:57.59 | Amarande | there was always talk that you could tell when a boss would drop a green (named, specific stats) weapon based on whether you saw them carrying it |
| 05:58.05 | art3mis | thus if there was a way to "inspect the mobs" inventory which this implies is semi possible.... |
| 05:58.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: more like the rest of the raid cries when you get gibbed, and the 10 mobs you were tanking go maul dps/healers |
| 05:58.06 | Amarande | I'm not sure if that was ever true or not, though |
| 05:58.46 | Shirik | so my friend is currently in a 2v2 that's been going on for 30 minutes |
| 05:58.48 | Shirik | he's drank 22 waters so far |
| 05:58.51 | Amarande | Shirik: good grief |
| 05:58.58 | Amarande | that reminds me of that one time in team arenas in GW |
| 05:59.00 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: just go to blasted lands and go to that little altar thingy |
| 05:59.03 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 05:59.04 | Shirik | he just won |
| 05:59.06 | Amarande | where we killed three of the opponents |
| 05:59.11 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: kill for a bit and you'll see what i mean ;) |
| 05:59.12 | Amarande | (GW arenas are 4v4) |
| 05:59.20 | art3mis | heh |
| 05:59.25 | art3mis | ive been playing .hack recently |
| 05:59.27 | Amarande | and the last guy had utterly no killing capability against us, but he was totally stacked with kite skills |
| 05:59.38 | art3mis | and the more i play it the more i snicker at how wow/blizz has been expanding |
| 05:59.43 | Amarande | I think we ended up actually having to give up and hand him the victory so we could go on and do something else because we couldn't catch him |
| 05:59.46 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: I've got a personal addon that displays a 256x256 model of my target... makes things like long distance "mob inspection" easy ;) |
| 05:59.47 | art3mis | with the arena, the card game etc |
| 05:59.58 | Shirik | the game was officially 39 minutes |
| 06:00.00 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: well arent you special heh |
| 06:00.04 | art3mis | but yeah |
| 06:00.19 | art3mis | it does exist it does know prior to loot |
| 06:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That kinda sounds like someone is doing pointer arithmetic and failing at it |
| 06:00.50 | art3mis | or rather it's "findoutable" prior to loot or even attack |
| 06:01.07 | Amarande | heh, you could even add the epitaph phases to wow, if they wanted to and got the licence from Namco/Bandai |
| 06:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: where exactly in the blasted lands? |
| 06:01.27 | Amarande | how hard would it be to just add an extra, hard/impossible to reach rock to say netherstorm that no one would suspect of being the stage for a big event? :) |
| 06:01.56 | Amarande | (or wait, would the Phase rock be better placed in SMV ... heh) |
| 06:02.17 | Amarande | wait, art3mis, are you playing original .hack, or GU? |
| 06:02.46 | art3mis | GU |
| 06:03.07 | art3mis | on the 3rd one right now |
| 06:03.09 | Amarande | ahh, you should play the originals |
| 06:03.14 | Amarande | and I hate the avatar battles with a passion |
| 06:03.20 | art3mis | whats kind of funny is i neglected to get the sword from the doppleganger in 1 |
| 06:03.33 | art3mis | but ive got the scythe and broadsword |
| 06:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: where? ;) |
| 06:03.43 | art3mis | and they keep saying to upgrade the tickingdeath |
| 06:04.04 | art3mis | but my shadow scythe kicks so much ass why would i? |
| 06:04.05 | art3mis | heh |
| 06:04.13 | art3mis | played the orignals |
| 06:04.16 | Amarande | the only reason I don't sell the games immediately because of them is because you at least can't get game over in avatar battles |
| 06:04.17 | art3mis | thats why im playing gu |
| 06:04.20 | Amarande | unless you give up |
| 06:04.33 | art3mis | yeah some of the avatar battles irritate me |
| 06:04.40 | art3mis | i mean they get shitloads of kewl abilities |
| 06:04.41 | Amarande | if I wanted those, I would play freaking mega man |
| 06:04.44 | art3mis | i get slash and shoot |
| 06:04.47 | art3mis | wtf |
| 06:05.28 | Amarande | It would be awesome to make the Epitaph Phases part of something else, though |
| 06:05.41 | Amarande | maybe some sort of event partnership between Bandai and Blizzard, but people would probably QQ :S |
| 06:06.21 | Amarande | besides, how would you handle the whole comas thing, ban people from the game temporarily till the event was over? lol |
| 06:07.43 | Amarande | The World itself probably wouldn't make it though. Too much like Diablo II or PSO. |
| 06:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: just asked two people who have been playing since release, and they have never heard or seen of such a bug :/ |
| 06:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And they *are* the type of people who would notice ;) |
| 06:10.44 | Amarande | hmm, call me a melee noob, but |
| 06:10.48 | Amarande | what class uses fist weapons? :S |
| 06:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Rogues and warriors |
| 06:11.48 | Amarande | ahh |
| 06:11.55 | Amarande | I've pretty much only played casters, so I'm always fuzzy on melee |
| 06:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Same. But I have a 30 rogue with a fist weapon, and a warrior friend who picked up the fist weapon off of Ony at 60 |
| 06:18.15 | Amarande | Ahh. Found a pretty nice seeming (which probably means it's not really that good, especially since it's a green) fist weapon and was wondering what it's good for :) |
| 06:18.25 | Amarande | also got a BIG help from the opposite faction |
| 06:18.38 | Amarande | this gnome was farming scryers rep so I didn't have to clean out all the mobs from a manaforge :) |
| 06:19.01 | Amarande | ... gnomes are still creepy, though. (This should be in every patch's patch notes on Things That Didn't Change.) |
| 06:20.27 | Amarande | Speaking of rogues and things not fixed, btw |
| 06:20.33 | Amarande | any word on when/whether cheat death will be fixed? |
| 06:20.44 | Amarande | if they want to promote arenas, it's vital |
| 06:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought the offical word was that the tooltip was bugged, not the ability. |
| 06:22.32 | Amarande | basically, what is happening is that rogues are speccing cheat death and zerging cloth |
| 06:22.36 | Amarande | nope, the ability's bugged too |
| 06:22.41 | Amarande | it reduces by 99% instead of 90% |
| 06:23.03 | Amarande | They want people to believe the tooltip is bugged because apparently, I have read, it is a huge PITA code-wise, much more than anything else for them to fix it |
| 06:23.06 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the problem with the tooltip? |
| 06:23.22 | Amarande | Not sure, but the tooltip says 90%, and the actual reduction is 99% |
| 06:23.28 | Amarande | which basically makes speccing there a win button |
| 06:23.44 | Amarande | the rogue starts stunlocking and killing the cloth, and there is zero survival chance for the cloth |
| 06:24.24 | Amarande | well, near zero, but it's being seen as somewhat odd that you need a warrior's CC, when CC was given to cloth precisely in order to survive being zerged :) |
| 06:25.11 | Shirik | .... |
| 06:25.14 | Shirik | Amr |
| 06:25.16 | Shirik | Amarande* |
| 06:25.21 | Shirik | It's not 99% unless two people are attacking him |
| 06:25.26 | Shirik | the rogue can't cause that to happen |
| 06:25.32 | Shirik | it's not a bug he has control over |
| 06:25.54 | Shirik | two people have to trigger would-be killing blows at the same instant for it to happen |
| 06:26.02 | Shirik | not only is it unlikely, the rogue has no control over it |
| 06:26.06 | Amarande | still, when he gets it, it's a win. even the 90% can be lopsided given all the disadvantages cloth has in arenas anyway |
| 06:26.28 | Shirik | so you wait the 12 seconds and kill him |
| 06:26.30 | Amarande | assuming a real assist train, whatever way you slice it, the rogue is going to get a heal and will be able to finish off your zerg target |
| 06:26.51 | Shirik | the rogue should not be killed before a healer |
| 06:26.54 | Shirik | ever |
| 06:27.37 | Amarande | basically, the crux lately is that I understand you used to have to spread pressure out and be strategic and such in arenas |
| 06:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande, question, how competitively do you PvP? |
| 06:28.09 | Amarande | now the way melee scaling is happening with s3 gear especially, the strategies are coming down to assist zerging a single cloth opponent, normally mage or warlock, and then winning with the man advantage afterwards |
| 06:28.30 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: not frequently, and pretty much only AV (which is a reason why not frequently, horde queues on stormstrike AV are forever and a day) |
| 06:28.34 | Shirik | I still don't see how this impacts a rogue |
| 06:28.38 | Shirik | and his cheat death ability |
| 06:28.52 | Shirik | and besides |
| 06:28.55 | Shirik | a good team can control that |
| 06:28.56 | Shirik | mine does easily |
| 06:28.58 | Amarande | Either someone misunderstood the 99% or thinks it happens more often than it does |
| 06:29.00 | Shirik | and it has 3 clothies regularly |
| 06:29.08 | Shirik | I think you misunderstood the 99% |
| 06:29.22 | Shirik | and it does not happen often at all |
| 06:29.26 | Amarande | but there was a lot of hoo-hah about how the rogue gets a cheat death proc and then is virtually impossible to finish off before they get a heal |
| 06:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, no, there wasn't |
| 06:29.46 | Shirik | that's because someone hears "rogues get 99% damage reduction!" and everyone goes "wtf" without even knowing whta it was |
| 06:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Because when that happened, only the bads specced that deep into sub to PvP heavily |
| 06:30.08 | Amarande | there are, however, the issues with CC, mainly the fact that Hamstring cannot be dispelled at all while virtually all forms of caster CC can be dispelled easily |
| 06:30.34 | Amarande | which leads to the issue that there is trouble with clothies versus a team that includes a warrior or rogue and a dispeller to take care of caster CC |
| 06:31.02 | Shirik | not to mention the fact that a warrior can't dispel such a spell on his own |
| 06:31.05 | Shirik | nor can he attack at range |
| 06:31.18 | Shirik | it takes at least two people to be able to dispel all debuffs |
| 06:31.38 | Amarande | Say I Howl of Terror you. With my spec, that's instant cast ... but I'm lucky if I'll have two seconds of respite let alone 8, because your partner will dispel it. |
| 06:31.39 | Shirik | You would make a very good politician |
| 06:31.42 | Amarande | Then my HoT is on cooldown. |
| 06:31.51 | Amarande | And you're on me again. That's the point warlocks are trying to make, apparently |
| 06:31.54 | Shirik | you only state the facts that are in favor of your argument, and ignore the ones that directly contradict it |
| 06:32.29 | Amarande | Yeah, that's the main argument being made in favor of hamstring's stickiness, and I have to say I do agree with it to a large degree |
| 06:32.48 | Amarande | warrior needs to stay next to his target, so they need CC not so much as CC but to be able to even do damage |
| 06:33.09 | Amarande | How about the issues with spells that have a cast time ... thoughts? |
| 06:33.29 | Shirik | I deal with it on a daily basis |
| 06:33.31 | Shirik | I don't see a problem |
| 06:33.35 | Shirik | it's a fair balance |
| 06:34.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: what class(es) do you play? |
| 06:34.36 | Amarande | yeah, perhaps the whole skill balance thing is overrated |
| 06:34.40 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: Lately mostly warlock |
| 06:34.50 | Amarande | very occasionally, and at lower levels, priest, hunter, or warrior |
| 06:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, that explains a fair bit |
| 06:35.10 | Amarande | Shirik: how about weapon scaling ... QQing, or legitimate concerns? |
| 06:35.17 | Shirik | my team is doing fine |
| 06:35.30 | Shirik | And none of us have S3 weapons ora nything |
| 06:35.38 | Shirik | yes we do go up against them, yes it hurts. Should it not? |
| 06:35.39 | Amarande | the talk that X armor penetration results in a greater boost to DPS against cloth than plate seems to be fact, at least |
| 06:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | What about it? |
| 06:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not talk, that's fact due to armor mechanics |
| 06:36.39 | Amarande | seems that one of the major sources of QQing is that armor penetration is becoming easier to get in quantity |
| 06:37.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and? |
| 06:38.22 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: basically that the general changes in the equipment world are such as to disproportionately boost melee over cloth, is the general QQ |
| 06:38.35 | Amarande | now, I'm not sure how valid this is, especially since I am likely to be in lower brackets even when I do Arena |
| 06:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You read the WoW forums a lot, don't you? |
| 06:39.13 | Amarande | That I do. |
| 06:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I can tell. |
| 06:39.38 | Shirik | That's not healthy |
| 06:39.42 | Amarande | however, I'm not 100% sure how valid the QQ is |
| 06:39.48 | widgertick | It's not valid. |
| 06:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Normally I'd make some snide remark about Shirik in general here |
| 06:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But he's got a point |
| 06:40.04 | widgertick | Casters should be QQing about spell pushback |
| 06:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You've got all of the QQ I've ever heard coming from the forums, and none of the good |
| 06:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 99.9% of that is baseless and wrong |
| 06:40.29 | Amarande | widgertick: indeed, which is why I used an Affliction-specced HoT as my CC example and not Fear |
| 06:40.35 | Amarande | I know full well how Fear works in PvP. |
| 06:40.57 | Amarande | Fear works in PvP like this. I start casting Fear, you hit me and pushback me until you have enough rage or energy to Pummel/Shield Bash/Kick, and then I do not actually cast Fear anyway. :) |
| 06:41.04 | Amarande | That's just common sense melee tactics. |
| 06:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Armor IS an issue for casters in Arena. Armor penetration, largely, is not |
| 06:41.36 | Amarande | How about the weapons QQing? |
| 06:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Simply because it's not that incredibly viable to stack, at the expense of other stats |
| 06:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly? |
| 06:42.02 | Amarande | There's a general impression that warriors are getting a steadily better deal of it in DPS from weapons season to season, which is not being balanced by the +damage boosts to the caster weapons |
| 06:42.32 | Amarande | IOW, melee is gaining DPS at a distinctly faster rate than casters |
| 06:43.05 | widgertick | Is that something new? |
| 06:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | A warrior without a weapon is not even a class. You could aruge that the weapon upgrades are literally the only ones that matter. To that end, if the weapons didn't get those upgrades... warriors would still be hitting like they did before Season 1 |
| 06:45.10 | widgertick | A lot of times there aren't even PvE equivalents for those warriors |
| 06:45.16 | ScytheBlade1 | As a caster, my weapon is not my *only* source of doing damage. I can remove it and still effectively CC, DPS, move, play, and whatnot. A warrior can do none of the above without a weapon. |
| 06:45.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The same applies to rogues, although to a very slightly less degree - well, an insignificant degree |
| 06:46.41 | Amarande | Well, let's say you give a warrior improved gear that, all told, means they do X% more DPS than they did with the last set of gear. Isn't it logical that the corresponding caster gear should have the same ... and I guess I do see a rub here. |
| 06:46.56 | Amarande | It's the rub that every game that includes both PvP and PvE has. |
| 06:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | All the T6/S3 gear in the world on a warrior without a weapon still means that the warrior is nothing more than a neutral NPC. |
| 06:47.46 | Amarande | This is that, as far as I can tell, it is utterly impossible to balance a game for both. I'm not sure that even Arena Net managed to do it. |
| 06:48.26 | Amarande | Which is why I was then speaking of the overall DPS improvement when each person, warrior and caster, upgrades to the next set of gear, rather than just weapons now. |
| 06:48.27 | widgertick | Amarande: It's because WoW has a class based system with too many classes for that kind of balance. |
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| 06:48.45 | Arrowmaster | guildwars was perty broken when it launched, although i didnt really play much after launch |
| 06:50.07 | Amarande | I just thought of the idea of simply spreading out bonuses (as is the way of things with caster gear) so casters would get the same boost in DPS going from say, S2 to S3 that warriors do |
| 06:50.27 | Amarande | however, it then occurred to me that if you give any really huge boost to caster DPS, then you dig PvE's grave meanwhile |
| 06:50.59 | Amarande | Do that, and PvE melee will start complaining they are no longer wanted for groups other than as tanks because they don't hack it in the DPS game anymore there |
| 06:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | There's more to PvP than DPS. Revolving your arguments around DPS in the Arena is a quick way to have a lot of people wondering what you're on. |
| 06:52.06 | Arrowmaster | warriors have always been imba and always will be |
| 06:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a rogue friend who took two other rogues, all three specced Shadowstep, and they took their 3v3 rating to ~2030 as shadowstep "DPS." It's not remotely about DPS |
| 06:53.02 | Falcon213 | A huge part of the reason that guild wars was "balanced" was because you could easily switch classes |
| 06:53.15 | Arrowmaster | lol yeah |
| 06:53.17 | Amarande | Yeah, WoW has no subjobs |
| 06:53.21 | Falcon213 | so if one class or build was imba, everyone could do it |
| 06:53.29 | Falcon213 | not even the dual classing really |
| 06:53.34 | Arrowmaster | every week there was a new 8 man team build that everybody would use |
| 06:53.59 | Arrowmaster | first it was War/Monk as the imba combo |
| 06:54.07 | Falcon213 | just that you could make a level 20 pvp character and unlock the skills without having to take 2 weeks of play time just to get it to the max level, then have to gear it out |
| 06:54.21 | Arrowmaster | then it was */Ranger due to the spirits buffs effecting each other |
| 06:54.22 | Amarande | on the other hand, one of the other problems with imba in GW, was the problem of balancing skills both for use in a balanced PvE group and for use in an unbalanced PvP group |
| 06:54.25 | Amarande | blood spike, for instance |
| 06:55.05 | Amarande | blood necros wanted to remain useful in PvE, but there was the issue of zerging a single target with simultaneous massive uses of it from a whole N/* or */N PvP group |
| 06:55.27 | Falcon213 | blood spike was mostly powerful because of soul reaping though |
| 06:55.38 | Amarande | This same concern is probably even more relevant in WoW arenas by dint of how resurrection works in each game, too |
| 06:56.02 | Falcon213 | and once spirits no longer gave energy for it (or less, I forget) it mitigated the use in pvp but really didn't affect pve |
| 06:57.01 | Falcon213 | if your saying that spike teams in general were OP, I would disagree |
| 06:57.12 | Amarande | In GW, it was an understood thing that almost everyone used a skill slot for resurrection signet and could thus quick combat rez at least once per battle ... in WoW arenas, I'm a bit fuzzy on which, but I understand there's vanishingly few res abilities that work there |
| 06:57.43 | widgertick | Paladin / Priest / Shaman rez works as normal |
| 06:57.44 | Amarande | Falcon213: Actually the soul reaping nerf was one of the most hated changes in the game |
| 06:57.49 | Falcon213 | one monk with a fast recation time could mitigate all but the best spikes done with the least lag |
| 06:58.23 | Amarande | especially when they initially nerfed it, minion master necros were knocked in the back of the head with that nerf bat |
| 06:58.58 | Amarande | and yeah, I've at times QQed that healing is imba in GW heh |
| 06:59.01 | ScytheBlade1 | As much as I'd love to continue this conversation, I must sleep. |
| 06:59.01 | Falcon213 | yeah, the first time pets didn't give energy anymore either, right? |
| 06:59.04 | widgertick | I think the biggest problem that WoW faces in balancing PvE and PvP is that the skills which allow you to be successful in your role don't translate well. |
| 06:59.05 | Amarande | night :) |
| 06:59.15 | Falcon213 | I forget, that was about the time I quit |
| 06:59.31 | Amarande | Falcon213: not sure, but apparently they nerfed it so you got a lot less energy in general from deaths |
| 06:59.47 | Amarande | and a lot of MMs were depending on having that pretty much endless battery as long as the team was steamrollering |
| 06:59.48 | Falcon213 | WoW wasn't built to be a PvP game, I believe that is its biggest problem |
| 06:59.54 | Amarande | then they started finding themselves OOM all the time |
| 07:00.30 | Amarande | It has mainly to do with that keeping a large number of minions from dying requires virtually spamming a ... what is it 15 energy spell? |
| 07:00.38 | Amarande | Or is it 10? I've been out of the GW loop for a while |
| 07:00.48 | Falcon213 | I think it was 10 |
| 07:00.51 | Falcon213 | but |
| 07:00.56 | widgertick | It'll be interesting to look back on this conversation in a couple years. |
| 07:01.07 | Amarande | then there were some things like the elite skills |
| 07:01.09 | Falcon213 | blood spike needed to be casting other things in the downtime |
| 07:01.12 | Falcon213 | like healing |
| 07:01.15 | Amarande | like Divert Hexes. As a hex mesmer, I hated that spell |
| 07:01.28 | Amarande | I would derisively call it Everything Will Be Okay Hon |
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| 07:02.00 | Falcon213 | yeah but then you're giving up your elite spot |
| 07:02.10 | Amarande | (But seriously, with a dedicated prot monk, that wasn't far from the truth) |
| 07:03.04 | Falcon213 | the nerf I hated the most at first was the OOB nerf |
| 07:03.15 | Amarande | I also thought it imba, again as a mesmer, because it was just far and away ahead of Expel Hexes, which is also elite |
| 07:03.23 | Falcon213 | was that the skill? the one that gave a bunch of energy for a small amount of health |
| 07:03.25 | Duman | whoa, cyclone 20yds now? |
| 07:03.56 | Amarande | Falcon213: think it was, I didn't play my necro much |
| 07:04.07 | Amarande | I mostly played my elementalist, who is basically proof that something always does slip through the cracks |
| 07:04.16 | Amarande | I called her the Unsinkable Vierin Lavonde after a while |
| 07:04.29 | Falcon213 | but one of the things that arena net really did right was that they would mix up the game by nerfing popular skills that were still balanced while buffing ones that weren't |
| 07:04.30 | Amarande | though seriously, she was one tough cookie ... if she went down, it usually meant there was a wipe |
| 07:04.50 | Falcon213 | so the metagame was constantly changing from season to season |
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| 07:05.09 | Amarande | and the PvE environment in GW allowed better for it, too |
| 07:05.14 | Falcon213 | yeah |
| 07:05.22 | Falcon213 | I really didn't pve in gw much though |
| 07:05.26 | Falcon213 | pretty much hated it |
| 07:05.27 | Arrowmaster | what pve environment |
| 07:05.41 | Arrowmaster | it was hardly pve |
| 07:05.45 | Amarande | one of the reasons nerfs hurt bad in WoW is because every class is expected to be able to solo at least some |
| 07:06.12 | Shirik | This is why RF Online was a good game |
| 07:06.13 | Falcon213 | the fact that there was no advancement beyond the level cap in gear pretty much killed the pve, but it's really what made the pvp thrive and be balanced as well |
| 07:06.15 | Shirik | you couldn't do anything by yourself |
| 07:06.15 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: well, yeah, sometimes it seemed like EvE, especially the times I died and the computer controlled teammates finished off the mob for me :S |
| 07:06.22 | Shirik | the entire game required a party |
| 07:06.23 | Arrowmaster | i did every mission in gw solo with henchmen |
| 07:06.27 | Shirik | except farming |
| 07:06.34 | Arrowmaster | mostly just wanding |
| 07:06.36 | Shirik | but to farm, you killed mobs 10 levels below you |
| 07:06.51 | Amarande | Shirik: sounds something like what WoW would be like if all mobs outside the newbie areas were elite? |
| 07:07.01 | Shirik | that's essentially what it was |
| 07:07.05 | Shirik | oncey ou hit about level 15 |
| 07:07.08 | Shirik | everything was "Ace" (elite) |
| 07:07.26 | Amarande | Sounds like FFXI in a way too |
| 07:07.34 | Amarande | I've heard you don't get far in FFXI without a PT either, unless you are a BST |
| 07:08.01 | Amarande | I never cared much for FFXI though, and it wasn't really the fact that you needed a party for most everything |
| 07:08.06 | Shirik | well RF Online was a game where you had to play 18 hours a day to get anywhere |
| 07:08.12 | Shirik | time zones didn't matter |
| 07:08.30 | Amarande | it was more that not only did you need a party for most everything, but you had to stay at your gear pinnacle as well, the world pass system made it next to impossible to reasonably have a bunch of friends all start at once on the same server |
| 07:08.48 | Amarande | and that race mattered too much |
| 07:09.00 | Amarande | I like casters (as you can tell) and I did not want to be one of those stupid monkeys |
| 07:09.37 | Amarande | but unlike wow, where racials seem to matter little except at the very lowest and very highest ends of the spectrum, FFXI pretty much forced you to be the ideal race for most classes or you were gimped |
| 07:10.31 | Shirik | how many troll warriors do you see? |
| 07:10.47 | Amarande | Shirik: that's more perception than reality IMO |
| 07:10.59 | Shirik | no |
| 07:11.03 | Amarande | My warrior is undead, I don't find myself wishing she was tauren |
| 07:11.06 | Shirik | it's because people realize tauren and orc make sense |
| 07:11.10 | Amarande | I'll start a cow when I start a druid :) |
| 07:11.12 | Shirik | and UD sorry |
| 07:11.24 | Shirik | UD has will of the forsaken |
| 07:11.24 | Shirik | very useful |
| 07:11.30 | Amarande | but take warlocks, say |
| 07:11.38 | Amarande | everyone talks about how orc and undead warlocks are supposedly so much better than BE |
| 07:11.39 | Arrowmaster | our mt is an orc, hes leveling a tauren warrior for when wotlk comes out |
| 07:11.49 | Amarande | but I don't see why, really ... |
| 07:11.59 | Amarande | 1) BE racial abilities are almost imba |
| 07:12.10 | Arrowmaster | BE racials suck |
| 07:12.16 | Amarande | 2) Even though my main and secondary main are both BE's, I pretty much never use them anyway. |
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| 07:14.01 | Amarande | Like I said, I get the impression racials matter mostly in the very beginning when you have not got your class skills yet, and in high end PvP, and seem to matter little in between |
| 07:14.24 | Shirik | and how many orc druids do you see? |
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| 07:15.06 | Arrowmaster | orc racials are my favorite, i have an orc warlock orc rogue and orc hunter |
| 07:15.13 | Shirik | you know what needs to change |
| 07:15.21 | Shirik | there needs to be a limit on how many times you can face a team in a given week |
| 07:15.46 | Amarande | also, pets that are named Cuddles need to be nerfed, severely, when given that name. like maybe given caster stats or something |
| 07:15.49 | Amarande | oh wait, that was GW |
| 07:16.04 | Amarande | Once in GW I got beat down by a team that featured a ranger with a pet named Cuddles and that felt especially humiliating. :S |
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| 07:16.22 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I'm quite fond of my BE priest's racials |
| 07:16.29 | Shirik | they've come in handy numerous times |
| 07:16.30 | Arrowmaster | ewww |
| 07:16.40 | Arrowmaster | the self dispell for mana? |
| 07:17.00 | Shirik | that saved me today actually |
| 07:17.04 | Shirik | but brb, in arena |
| 07:18.08 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 07:18.11 | Shirik | grounding totem > pom pyro |
| 07:18.19 | Shirik | wow we destroyed that team |
| 07:18.22 | Shirik | ANYWAY |
| 07:18.25 | Shirik | yes that saved me today |
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| 07:18.29 | Shirik | but I was more referring to mana tap |
| 07:18.33 | Shirik | mana tap/arcane torrent |
| 07:19.16 | Shirik | but yeah I used consume magic today |
| 07:19.20 | Shirik | and I was like "who said it was never useful" |
| 07:19.22 | Shirik | then boss died |
| 07:19.50 | Amarande | good lord 120g for a 3v3 charter |
| 07:20.11 | Amarande | I thought they'd be like the guild charters in price :| |
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| 07:21.45 | Amarande | not that 120g is really much at 70, but when you're saving for epic flying you don't like anything expensive :) |
| 07:24.43 | Lukian | have someone else buy it? |
| 07:25.30 | nevcairiel | its always 40g per person, so 80 on 2v2 or 200 on 5v5 :) |
| 07:25.32 | Amarande | I'll have to see which of my guildies are really interested in it, I suppose |
| 07:25.50 | Amarande | especially since the one lady who said it would really be fun still has some leveling up to do |
| 07:26.05 | Amarande | I'm not really caring if I get owned, I'm just hoping to get some points and snag some epics |
| 07:27.38 | Amarande | though come to think of it |
| 07:27.51 | Amarande | on my server, I should focus on head and hand slot items to get with arena points if I want to use pvp to epic out |
| 07:28.08 | Amarande | since those actually might be easier to farm arena points for S2 than to just buy S1's with honor |
| 07:30.52 | Amarande | (This is not so much QQ as facing hard realities lol ... S1 head/hands need AV marks, and the reality of things is that I'm from a BG where the AV queues are ages long) |
| 07:31.34 | Shirik | !ap 1669 |
| 07:31.34 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1669 is, 2v2: 426, 3v3: 494, 5v5: 561 |
| 07:31.47 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:31.52 | Amarande | I wonder if the AV changes in 2.4 will do something about that |
| 07:31.59 | Amarande | Shirik, what battlegroup are you from? |
| 07:32.11 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 07:32.15 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (20/41/0). 6901 HP; 9945 Mana; 404 mana regen; 187 mp5; 646 +spell dmg; 1722 +heal; 5.90% dodge; 23 resilience;[[ TBR: 1008 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 03:42:12 2008 EST ]] |
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| 07:32.28 | Shirik | definitely my pve gear |
| 07:32.29 | Shirik | dododo |
| 07:32.47 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 07:32.47 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (18/43/0). 7811 HP; 10515 Mana; 368 mana regen; 171 mp5; 746 +spell dmg; 2005 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 18 resilience;[[ TBR: 905 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 02:26:41 2008 EST ]] |
| 07:32.49 | Amarande | ahh, you have easier of it |
| 07:32.55 | Amarande | I'm from Stormstrike battlegroup :( |
| 07:33.23 | Amarande | This is the battlegroup that has petitioned to have AV removed from the Horde BG daily rotation because the queue problem is so bad |
| 07:33.43 | |Jelly| | I'd petition because Horde is so bad. |
| 07:34.06 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 07:34.09 | Amarande | Hell, the quest should just be "Manage to get into Alterac Valley", let alone win |
| 07:34.25 | Shirik | ~lart WoWLuaircBot |
| 07:34.25 | purl | farts in WoWLuaircBot's general direction |
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| 07:38.27 | Duman | BOTFIGHT |
| 07:38.36 | Amarande | But seriously, you don't want to farm AV marks when you have 1-2 hour queues on a good evening. :) |
| 07:39.06 | widgertick | They should cut AV down to 25 people and rescale things. |
| 07:39.57 | Amarande | grumph, guess I'll have to get arena points for a S2 offhand, too |
| 07:40.11 | Amarande | the S1 offhand, despite being "epic", isn't even as good as the green offhand I got from a netherstorm quest :S |
| 07:40.30 | Amarande | by "good" mind you I mean, "less spell damage = bad" |
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| 07:43.32 | Amarande | widgertick: and people would QQ |
| 07:43.46 | Amarande | if there's one thing I've come to understand about AV, it's that two things are certain in AV: death and QQ |
| 07:44.28 | Amarande | the one thing that can be stated with any real certainty is that the people who think the map should be redone as a complete mirror probably have the right of it |
| 07:44.47 | Amarande | Blizzard keeps trying to make things "different but equal" and all they do by it is make things harder for themselves |
| 07:45.49 | widgertick | Well, I think making it 25 man and letting you queue as a group would potentially add an awesome dynamic to the game |
| 07:45.56 | Amarande | A complete mirror, with the NPCs the same on both sides, and people will then only be able to QQ that they're no good at it. |
| 07:46.17 | Amarande | Actually, that might be why some of the people who don't want to mirror it don't want it that way |
| 07:46.31 | Amarande | They want to be able to QQ about the map rather than the fact that they're scrubs :) |
| 07:46.42 | widgertick | Yeah |
| 07:46.55 | widgertick | It'd be cool if we added raid battlegrounds |
| 07:47.05 | Amarande | I'm not sure if letting people queue as a group is a good idea, though |
| 07:47.24 | Amarande | people keep trying to arrange "our premade vs. their pug" and it ruins the game |
| 07:47.32 | Shirik | but what if |
| 07:47.36 | Shirik | there was no pug |
| 07:47.48 | Shirik | what if when you did a premade, you always knew you were going up against a premade |
| 07:47.52 | widgertick | I like that idea Shirik |
| 07:47.53 | Shirik | I think that would actually be fun |
| 07:48.04 | widgertick | You could have a limit on number of raid battlegrounds entered per day |
| 07:48.13 | Amarande | you end up with premade vs. premade, people get pissed off on either side, and then the next set of people who join get stuck with a screwed up game because they're filling in for deserters |
| 07:48.17 | widgertick | And put good loot in there |
| 07:48.36 | Amarande | read: they are now stuck as a PUG, versus the other premade |
| 07:48.50 | Amarande | which is one of the ways in which premade vs. pug happens |
| 07:48.53 | Shirik | Hey I just got some random thought for some uknown reason |
| 07:48.58 | Shirik | can you ressurect in arenas? |
| 07:49.01 | Amarande | Shirik: I've heard that Blizzard already tries to match premades with each other |
| 07:49.02 | widgertick | Yes |
| 07:49.06 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 07:49.08 | Amarande | Yeah, but there are limitations |
| 07:49.10 | Shirik | I should have thought of this before |
| 07:49.18 | Amarande | for one, most rez's can only be cast out of combat |
| 07:49.18 | widgertick | Blizzard does try to match premades with each other, Amarande |
| 07:49.29 | Shirik | well of course all the restrictions |
| 07:49.37 | Shirik | but I've occasionally gotten out of combat to drink |
| 07:49.44 | Shirik | what's stopping me from taking it to the next level on a stupid team |
| 07:49.59 | Amarande | general consensus though is that people who let healers be out of combat for 10 full seconds with the resurrection cast animation going are total scrubs and deserve to lose, though :) |
| 07:50.22 | Shirik | So yeah, what brought up that comment was |
| 07:50.28 | Shirik | it would be kinda interesting to see a 25 man arena too |
| 07:50.36 | Shirik | but I do think the BG would be better |
| 07:50.40 | Shirik | rather than just an all-out brwal |
| 07:50.41 | Shirik | brawl |
| 07:50.53 | Shirik | But again, I come from RF Online |
| 07:50.57 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure there's no combat rez that can be used in arenas, otoh |
| 07:50.59 | Amarande | other than the portals card |
| 07:51.04 | Shirik | where it was basically a 100 v 100 v 100 BG, fully organized, every 8 hours |
| 07:51.10 | Amarande | which is a low chance proc |
| 07:51.12 | Shirik | each took ~2 hours |
| 07:51.16 | Shirik | so much fun |
| 07:51.35 | Amarande | though low must be taken with a grain of salt, I have heard reported cases where someone's darkmoon rez proc went off three times in a row |
| 07:52.04 | Amarande | however, I suppose there's just some cases where destiny happens :S |
| 07:52.52 | Amarande | in any case, I start to wonder if full premade BG groups should be allowed at all |
| 07:53.04 | Amarande | my thought begins to be that the fairest thing would be to make join as party allow just that, a party |
| 07:53.30 | Amarande | so some friends can BG together, but you can jump into a BG whenever without having to worry about too much organization on the other team |
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| 07:53.53 | Amarande | (such as getting dumped into an already started BG, where the premade from your side wanted to face a PUG, found a premade, half of them deserted) |
| 07:54.34 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:54.46 | Amarande | in premade vs. premade, is there generally an advantage to one or other faction? |
| 07:55.00 | widgertick | Horde |
| 07:55.01 | Amarande | server buzz is usually that Alliance premades always have an edge, but that might just be QQ |
| 07:55.17 | Amarande | it could be economics on the other hand, though |
| 07:55.31 | Amarande | horde may have more skill, but alliance probably has better twink gear |
| 07:55.58 | Amarande | simply because larger population = more competition in AH/enchant market = prices go down |
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| 07:56.51 | Amarande | also alliance = more races who can play paladins, so stratholme gets more action, so more mats for crusaders comes to mind but I don't know if it's true |
| 07:57.33 | Amarande | also that's more of a lower bracket thing |
| 07:57.41 | nevcairiel | what do paladins have to do with stratholme? =P |
| 07:58.00 | Amarande | nevcairiel: Stratholme is required for the Paladin epic mount quest |
| 07:58.10 | nevcairiel | isnt that scholomance? |
| 07:58.14 | Amarande | Actually both |
| 07:58.22 | Amarande | but Strat is where Righteous Orbs come from |
| 07:58.36 | nevcairiel | any half-good lvl 70 can farm those alone :) |
| 08:00.04 | Amarande | however, the economy probably favors Alliance having better enchants, though |
| 08:00.37 | Amarande | I'd have to make an Alliance toon and check the AH both sides, though |
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| 08:01.06 | Amarande | but it does seem a basic principle of free market economics that the Alliance will have more supply |
| 08:06.36 | Amarande | bah, why am I still up, I have to be at work in less than five hours |
| 08:12.19 | Amarande | !c us turalyon alvaerin |
| 08:12.34 | WoWLuaircBot | Amarande: Alvaerin, Level 70 Blood Elf Warlock (45/5/11). 6540 HP; 6865 Mana; 154 mana regen; 4 mp5; 71 spell crit; 561 +spell dmg; 4.28% dodge;[[ TBR: 638 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ytcng6 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2omdl5 ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 04:22:30 2008 EST ]] |
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| 08:16.38 | Shirik | is there a significant difference between someone yelling at you and someone mocking you? |
| 08:17.02 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 08:17.48 | Shirik | better question |
| 08:17.56 | Cairenn | hehehheeh |
| 08:18.04 | Cairenn | poor Shirik |
| 08:18.15 | Shirik | is there a significant difference between someone making a fool out of you for what you did and someone laughing at you making a fool out of yourself? |
| 08:18.26 | Shirik | You know what |
| 08:18.27 | Shirik | english sucks |
| 08:18.33 | Cairenn | hahahhahaha |
| 08:18.34 | Shirik | I'm going to go finish learning Japanese |
| 08:18.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:19.23 | widgertick | Muzukashikute nai ka? |
| 08:20.23 | Industrial | widgertick: I bet :p |
| 08:20.34 | Shirik | ~x jp en ???? ? ?? |
| 08:20.53 | Shirik | ???myc???t |
| 08:20.55 | Shirik | djf?w????df? |
| 08:21.00 | Shirik | I hate my client |
| 08:21.06 | Industrial | ~x jp en Muzukashikute nai ka |
| 08:21.11 | Industrial | aw |
| 08:21.13 | Shirik | You need the hiragana |
| 08:21.15 | Shirik | and I can type it |
| 08:21.20 | Shirik | but my client translates it into ???? |
| 08:21.22 | Industrial | heh |
| 08:21.47 | Industrial | ew mirc :> |
| 08:22.44 | Shirik | I'll just check popjisyo |
| 08:23.06 | Shirik | widgertick wa nihongo ga wakarimasu ka? |
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| 08:23.31 | Shirik | that is probably so wrong |
| 08:23.32 | Shirik | oh well |
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| 08:23.40 | widgertick | Chotto dake saa. |
| 08:24.02 | widgertick | You used the wrong marker between the verb and the object |
| 08:24.21 | widgertick | o instead of ga |
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| 08:24.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:24.35 | widgertick | Otherwise it was good =) |
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| 08:25.09 | Industrial | I plan to learn japanese some time. I am limited to phrases I pick up from watching anime :p |
| 08:25.13 | Shirik | there isn't any difficulty? |
| 08:25.22 | Shirik | wait, that was a question |
| 08:25.24 | Shirik | that doesn't make sense |
| 08:25.25 | art3mis | seems like a wise corse, chinese or japanese |
| 08:25.33 | art3mis | since they'll take over soon enough ;P |
| 08:25.41 | Shirik | isn't there any difficulty? |
| 08:25.44 | Shirik | That doesn't make much sense |
| 08:26.34 | Shirik | popjisyo isn't helping me much in translating "muzukashikute" heh |
| 08:27.05 | art3mis | todays xkcd didnt make sense til i noticed the dots ;P |
| 08:27.11 | Industrial | he asked if it was good (the hug) I think :p |
| 08:27.25 | art3mis | then i had to scrol the screen to make sure it was the page and not my monitor ;P |
| 08:28.07 | Shirik | purl, say purl, say hi |
| 08:28.07 | purl | purl, say hi |
| 08:28.11 | Shirik | hm |
| 08:28.16 | Shirik | so I can't get purl to say it for me |
| 08:28.24 | Shirik | there must be a way |
| 08:28.45 | Shirik | hmmmm |
| 08:29.05 | Shirik | I wonder how much telnet likes UTF-8 |
| 08:29.54 | MentalPower | I don't think it minds |
| 08:30.03 | Shirik | we're about to find out |
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| 08:31.12 | Shirik | as you can see from my hostmask, I fail at typing |
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| 08:31.28 | Shirik|Telnet | ......... |
| 08:31.31 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 08:31.33 | Shirik | a bunch of dots |
| 08:31.34 | Shirik | great |
| 08:31.38 | Industrial | lol |
| 08:31.47 | MentalPower | what did you expect? |
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| 08:32.30 | Shirik | is there some linux way to arbitrarily send bytes over the internet? |
| 08:32.35 | Shirik | like wget the other way? |
| 08:32.57 | Shirik | like piping to a connection |
| 08:34.20 | Shirik | dear god |
| 08:34.28 | Shirik | I just realized the sheer number of different IPs IPV6 can handle |
| 08:34.37 | MentalPower | nc |
| 08:34.53 | MentalPower | netcat for long, tho the exec is called nc |
| 08:34.55 | Shirik | even the stupidly inefficient patterns are acceptable |
| 08:35.19 | Shirik | li23-154 conf # nc |
| 08:35.19 | Shirik | bash: nc: command not found |
| 08:35.20 | Shirik | :< |
| 08:35.35 | MentalPower | you suck |
| 08:35.37 | Shirik | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "nc". |
| 08:35.38 | MentalPower | go install it |
| 08:35.38 | Shirik | :< |
| 08:35.41 | MentalPower | whut? |
| 08:35.54 | MentalPower | its a BSD general command |
| 08:35.59 | Shirik | oh here we go |
| 08:35.59 | Shirik | [ebuild N ] net-libs/libnet-1.1.2.1-r1 USE="-doc" 998 kB |
| 08:35.59 | Shirik | [ebuild N ] net-libs/libpcap-0.9.8 USE="ipv6" 509 kB |
| 08:35.59 | Shirik | [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libmix-2.05 USE="-no-net2" 78 kB |
| 08:35.59 | Shirik | [ebuild N ] net-analyzer/netcat-110-r8 USE="crypt ipv6 -static" 108 kB |
| 08:36.27 | Shirik | it's in portage as netcat instead of nc |
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| 08:38.52 | Shirik | ~x en de hi |
| 08:38.59 | Shirik | ~x de fr hallo |
| 08:39.23 | Shirik | ~x fr sp hallo |
| 08:39.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:39.35 | Shirik | ~x en de hello |
| 08:39.36 | MentalPower | bonjour in fr |
| 08:39.47 | MentalPower | hola in es |
| 08:39.51 | Shirik | well yeah |
| 08:39.55 | Shirik | but I just wanted to go in a loop |
| 08:39.59 | Shirik | but it just gets stuck... |
| 08:42.54 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@cpe-76-167-213-238.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 08:43.41 | Shirik | --> function foo() print("say hi") end |
| 08:43.47 | Shirik | purl, say --> foo() |
| 08:43.48 | purl | --> foo() |
| 08:43.48 | batbot | purl: say hi |
| 08:43.49 | purl | hi |
| 08:43.52 | Shirik | perfect. |
| 08:43.56 | Shirik | Now I can actually do this |
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| 08:46.04 | Shirik | function foo() s = "x jp en "; for k,v in pairs(t) do s = s .. string.char(tonumber(v,16)) end print(s) end |
| 08:46.06 | Shirik | --> function foo() s = "x jp en "; for k,v in pairs(t) do s = s .. string.char(tonumber(v,16)) end print(s) end |
| 08:46.15 | Shirik | now the tricky part |
| 08:46.39 | Industrial | *drumroll* |
| 08:48.35 | Shirik | ok got the UTF-8 bytes... |
| 08:50.21 | Shirik | um |
| 08:50.22 | Shirik | hm |
| 08:50.30 | Shirik | what's the UTF-8 header in this file? 2 or 4 bytes? I forgot :( |
| 08:50.58 | MentalPower | UTF-8 BOM is three bytes |
| 08:51.19 | Shirik | Although not part of the standard, many Windows programs (including Windows Notepad) use the byte sequence EF BB BF at the beginning of a file to indicate that the file is encoded using UTF-8 |
| 08:51.20 | Shirik | wheee |
| 08:51.27 | Shirik | and I used notepad :P |
| 08:52.08 | Shirik | Oh I get it |
| 08:52.18 | Shirik | EFBBBF == \uEFFF |
| 08:52.36 | Shirik | anyway |
| 08:52.38 | Shirik | on to more important things! |
| 08:52.44 | MentalPower | EF BB BF |
| 08:53.00 | MentalPower | bah, slow |
| 08:53.30 | Shirik | my hex editor does not appreciate this file at all |
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| 08:55.04 | Shirik | --> t = {}; for c in ("E38280E3819AE3818BE38197E3818FE381A6E38080E381AAE38184E38080E3818BEFBC9F"):match("..") do table.insert(t, c) end |
| 08:55.05 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string " t = {}; for c in ("E38280E3819AE3818BE3819..."]:1: attempt to call a string value |
| 08:55.10 | Shirik | ?? |
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| 08:55.28 | Shirik | --> t = {}; for c in ("E38280E3819AE3818BE38197E3818FE381A6E38080E381AAE38184E38080E3818BEFBC9F"):gmatch("..") do table.insert(t, c) end |
| 08:55.40 | Shirik | --> foo() |
| 08:55.40 | batbot | Shirik: x jp en むずかしくて ない か？ |
| 08:55.42 | Shirik | YES! |
| 08:55.48 | Shirik | purl, say --> foo() |
| 08:55.49 | purl | --> foo() |
| 08:55.49 | batbot | purl: x jp en むずかしくて ない か？ |
| 08:55.57 | Shirik | <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 08:56.01 | MentalPower | lol, nice |
| 08:56.36 | Shirik | I can't believe all the work I had to go through to get my client to sneak japanese characters through |
| 08:56.37 | MentalPower | very nice |
| 08:57.09 | MentalPower | anyways, now I must sleep |
| 08:57.11 | MentalPower | gnight |
| 08:57.13 | Shirik | me too |
| 08:57.13 | Shirik | night |
| 08:57.19 | Shirik | Cairenn must sleep too |
| 08:57.35 | Cairenn | night Shirik|zZz :) |
| 08:57.44 | Shirik|zZz | no, not night |
| 08:57.46 | Shirik|zZz | go to sleep |
| 08:57.54 | Cairenn | I will shortly |
| 08:58.15 | Shirik|zZz | or there will be an @ post about YOU on teh forums! |
| 08:58.21 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 08:58.22 | Shirik|zZz | won't be able to laugh about THAT now will you |
| 08:59.22 | Cairenn | of course I will! |
| 09:00.11 | Cairenn | I laugh at myself all the time, haven't you realized that yet? |
| 09:00.26 | Kalroth | :D |
| 09:00.57 | Shirik|zZz | seriously, night. I need to be up in an hour or so :P |
| 09:01.09 | Cairenn | sweet dreams :) |
| 09:01.23 | Shirik|zZz | ... as I walk into the shower |
| 09:01.27 | Shirik|zZz | I really need sleep >< |
| 09:01.45 | Shirik|zZz | as I close the door and instinctively turn on the light, i'm like "what the hell am I doing" |
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| 09:35.52 | clad|office | anyone want to do analysis for me? |
| 09:35.54 | clad|office | http://pastey.net/83680 |
| 09:36.05 | clad|office | I need to figure out the best distribution for that set |
| 09:36.17 | clad|office | where the first number is the element id, and the second is the number of entries for that element |
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| 09:48.29 | Fisker- | for loops |
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| 10:16.41 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/864ef76193f29907e1c2fea559dd483d.jpg |
| 10:16.44 | Industrial | why so expensive :( |
| 10:21.33 | krka | does anyone know of any unix commands like head or tail, but where you select an interval from a file instead? |
| 10:29.25 | clad|office | not off the top of my head krka |
| 10:29.29 | clad|office | cut may be able to do it |
| 10:29.34 | clad|office | if you specify the line feed as teh separator |
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| 10:42.08 | krka | i'll just make a python script or something then |
| 10:42.20 | krka | or lua! |
| 10:43.06 | clad|office | easy enough to do |
| 10:43.09 | clad|office | that's a lua one-liner |
| 10:43.13 | clad|office | there's your unix script :P |
| 10:50.47 | |Pixel| | there's a sed oneliner for that |
| 10:51.34 | |Pixel| | it should be "sed -n '12,15 p'" iirc |
| 10:53.14 | |Pixel| | (with 12 and 15 beeing the line numbers you need) |
| 10:53.40 | clad|office | ah good to know |
| 10:53.44 | clad|office | how goes things |Pixel| ? |
| 10:53.55 | |Pixel| | smoothly, more or less :) |
| 10:54.24 | clad|office | that's good to hear :P |
| 10:54.28 | |Pixel| | and you ? ^^ |
| 10:54.44 | clad|office | can't complain too much *grin* |
| 10:56.29 | krka | lua one liner? |
| 10:56.33 | krka | i made it in 67 lines or something :( |
| 10:56.58 | krka | the sed one is neater i guess |
| 10:57.12 | clad|office | why would it be 67 lines? |
| 10:57.37 | krka | error handling, parameters, et.c. |
| 10:57.42 | clad|office | oh |
| 10:58.20 | krka | readable code :) |
| 10:58.59 | clad|office | lua -e "min=10,max=12;c=0; for line in io.stdin:lines() do c=c+1; if c >= min and c <= max then print(line) end end |
| 10:59.02 | clad|office | lua -e "min=10,max=12;c=0; for line in io.stdin:lines() do c=c+1; if c >= min and c <= max then print(line) end end" |
| 10:59.47 | clad|office | thats all i was thinking |
| 11:00.04 | sacarasc | which would also involve installing lua for most *nixes... and a *nix system without sed is just retarded |
| 11:00.13 | clad|office | indeed, but he mentinoed lua |
| 11:00.18 | clad|office | i didn't say it was the best solution, far from it |
| 11:00.27 | |Pixel| | he mentionned python before as well :P |
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| 11:02.27 | krka | i did it in lua for the fun of it |
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| 11:04.45 | |Pixel| | you can't imagine how much stuff I'm doing in lua just for the fun of it :) |
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| 11:05.13 | clad|office | the online companion for the book is being written in Lua |
| 11:05.15 | clad|office | for a number of reasons |
| 11:06.24 | |Pixel| | reminds me |
| 11:06.50 | |Pixel| | is there any "lua syntaxe highlighter" available out there ? |
| 11:06.52 | krka | i can post the code for the fun of it |
| 11:07.00 | clad|office | |Pixel|: depends on the editor |
| 11:07.03 | |Pixel| | that would take a lua script in and give html out |
| 11:07.07 | |Pixel| | written in lua, of course |
| 11:07.07 | clad|office | vim |
| 11:07.09 | clad|office | as awlays |
| 11:07.20 | clad|office | no, there isn't one that i'ma ware of in lua |
| 11:07.25 | clad|office | but you could hack FAIAP to do it |
| 11:07.27 | clad|office | pretty easily |
| 11:07.29 | krka | http://pastey.net/83687 |
| 11:08.11 | krka | clad|office: yeah that would be extremely easy |
| 11:08.16 | krka | i think i did it once |
| 11:08.25 | krka | rici made a javascript lua syntax highlighter |
| 11:08.28 | krka | it was wickedly cool |
| 11:08.38 | krka | in very few lines of javascript |
| 11:09.06 | |Pixel| | I want it in Lua! :P |
| 11:09.17 | clad|office | so write it? |
| 11:09.43 | |Pixel| | I usually like to seek if there's someone who did it before |
| 11:09.46 | Adys | Isnt pastey/pastebin whichever it was with a lua backend? |
| 11:09.55 | |Pixel| | since I hate duplicating work :) |
| 11:10.13 | |Pixel| | Adys: php, I'd say |
| 11:10.16 | clad|office | Adys: that uses vim |
| 11:10.20 | clad|office | not php |
| 11:10.21 | |Pixel| | or vim, right |
| 11:10.24 | JoshBorke | clad|office: i ran into the wowlua bug again, and i remember what it is! |
| 11:10.29 | Adys | oh |
| 11:10.59 | JoshBorke | clad|office: sometimes the FAIAP formatted code gets saved to the SV and becomes unusable come next reload |
| 11:11.18 | Adys | going to bed anyway, bbl |
| 11:11.19 | clad|office | yeah |
| 11:11.22 | clad|office | i've seen that one once |
| 11:11.56 | JoshBorke | not sure how to reproduce but i found a way to fix it by calling faiap restore or something or other, i don't remember |
| 11:12.13 | Shirik|zZz | ~wtf faiap |
| 11:12.27 | JoshBorke | For All Indents And Purposes |
| 11:12.32 | Shirik | ah |
| 11:12.47 | dylanm | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4895-ForAllIndentsAndPurposes.html |
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| 11:17.22 | Shirik | lua> s = "41 6c 6c 20 79 6f 75 72 20 70 6f 72 74 61 6c 20 61 72 65 20 62 65 6c 6f 6e 67 20 74 6f 20 6d 65 21"; for c in s:gmatch("%x%x") do print(string.char(tonumber(c, 16))) end |
| 11:17.23 | lua_bot | Shirik: A, l, l, , y, o, u, r, , p, o, r, t, a, l, , a, r, e, , b, e, l, o, n, g, , t, o, , m, e, ! |
| 11:17.26 | Shirik | ha |
| 11:17.38 | Shirik | we have some strange people at wowinterface.com |
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| 11:18.07 | clad|office | indeed |
| 11:25.00 | batrick | morning |
| 11:26.19 | clad|office | morning |
| 11:26.33 | clad|office | batrick: where did you end up with your lua-not-bug yesterday? |
| 11:32.18 | batrick | i fixed it, it was a problem with calling lua_close after a free on the memory holding the limits |
| 11:32.28 | batrick | (oops) |
| 11:33.21 | clad|office | heh |
| 11:33.43 | batrick | i still don't like how cpcall will segfault if you call it over and over again |
| 11:33.55 | batrick | should continually return LUA_ERRMEM |
| 11:34.29 | clad|office | well "don't do that" |
| 11:34.32 | clad|office | as they said :p |
| 11:34.33 | batrick | seems to me there could easily be an instance where there isn't room on the stack and cpcall segfaults the application |
| 11:35.08 | batrick | ya i know |
| 11:35.26 | batrick | I spent a long time going over my code and was certain it was segfaulting in cpcall |
| 11:35.44 | batrick | which is why I tried so hard to reproduce it |
| 11:36.21 | batrick | too hard apparently |
| 11:36.38 | batrick | clad did you ever end up making that serialization scheme you were wanting? |
| 11:37.44 | clad|office | not yet, I haven't been too concerned with it |
| 11:37.56 | clad|office | focused on other projects at the moment, and lua_bot is running like a dream |
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| 11:39.10 | batrick | you know what was interesting about that bug though, it takes the same number of iterations of pcall to segfault LuaTask as it does to segfault repeatedly calling cpcall |
| 11:39.15 | batrick | makes me think they're related |
| 11:39.25 | clad|office | dunno |
| 11:39.33 | clad|office | its not likely to be an issue int he core, but with the usage |
| 11:39.39 | batrick | fortunately that bug doesn't work on my threading library heh |
| 11:39.54 | batrick | ya |
| 11:40.59 | batrick | man sucks I couldn't get back to sleep I don't have class for 6 hours |
| 11:41.27 | batrick | hey shirik |
| 11:41.44 | clad|office | so I think i may re-bucket LightHeaded |
| 11:42.08 | clad|office | so it does Alliance_Kalimdor; Alliance_EasternKingdoms; Alliance_Outlands; Alliance_Other |
| 11:42.13 | clad|office | or I may just leave it level based |
| 11:42.29 | clad|office | level based makes no sense anymore |
| 11:42.34 | clad|office | and either way I need to provide a mapping |
| 11:42.45 | batrick | hey that's a pretty cool mod |
| 11:43.09 | clad|office | what is? |
| 11:43.14 | batrick | yorus |
| 11:43.25 | clad|office | lol, thanks |
| 11:43.46 | batrick | clad |
| 11:44.10 | batrick | is your "Video of the new LightHeaded UI" supposed to redirect to what looks like your personal photo collection? |
| 11:44.13 | batrick | lol? |
| 11:44.41 | clad|office | yeah |
| 11:44.44 | clad|office | where's that linked? |
| 11:45.00 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 11:45.03 | batrick | it's right above "I removed a few features" |
| 11:45.29 | clad|office | bad link |
| 11:45.34 | clad|office | thats not where its supposed to go :P |
| 11:45.38 | Shirik | hey batrick, got any genius C/C++ solution so that popen works bidirectionally? (Not Lua popen, C) |
| 11:45.39 | batrick | heh |
| 11:45.39 | clad|office | but it does go to my photo collection |
| 11:45.41 | clad|office | justa sub-page |
| 11:45.48 | Shirik | (or an equivalent) |
| 11:45.57 | batrick | Shirik: there isn't one that I've thought of |
| 11:45.57 | Shirik | I need to both send data to and read from a program |
| 11:46.01 | clad|office | Shirik: two directional pipes shouldn't be tough at all |
| 11:46.26 | batrick | usually you would open it for writing and then open a file it writes to for reading i guess |
| 11:46.50 | batrick | posix has bidirectional pipes |
| 11:47.05 | Shirik | but not popen, right? |
| 11:47.12 | batrick | don't think so |
| 11:47.15 | Shirik | so I have to make the pipe myself |
| 11:47.35 | batrick | guess so |
| 11:48.19 | batrick | i think you could make a hack that writes to your stdin in /dev (i think that's where it is) |
| 11:48.25 | Shirik | hey! |
| 11:48.28 | Shirik | I love the MSDN |
| 11:48.29 | Shirik | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms682499(VS.85).aspx |
| 11:48.44 | Shirik | too bad it's completely OS-dependent |
| 11:49.18 | batrick | man they have some ugly code examples |
| 11:49.29 | batrick | makes me want to puke |
| 11:52.17 | Shirik | javah ltlv.NuSmvChecker |
| 11:52.20 | Shirik | er... |
| 11:52.27 | Shirik | hi |
| 11:53.11 | batrick | mkfifo (path[, mode]) |
| 11:53.14 | batrick | looks promising |
| 11:53.31 | batrick | and apparently only BSD supports bidirectional pipes natively |
| 11:55.23 | clad|office | <3 bsd |
| 11:55.36 | batrick | aye |
| 11:55.41 | Shirik | BSD can die |
| 11:55.49 | Shirik | along with C |
| 11:55.51 | batrick | Shirik: mkfifo will work if you can use posix |
| 11:56.01 | Shirik | I need a posix solution and a Win32 solution |
| 11:56.07 | Shirik | and honestly, the Win32 solution is what I need first >< |
| 11:56.12 | batrick | i can't/won't help you with winblows |
| 11:56.20 | batrick | but mkfifo is what you need for posix |
| 11:56.24 | Shirik | thanks |
| 11:57.21 | Shirik | 1>nusmv - 357 error(s), 90 warning(s) |
| 11:57.23 | Shirik | wheeeee |
| 11:58.15 | Shirik | wtf is this? |
| 11:58.18 | Shirik | You can't do that... |
| 11:58.24 | Shirik | #define __$adt_prop(adt,prop) |
| 11:58.27 | Shirik | who wrote these include files... |
| 12:04.05 | batrick | i wonder how much money facebook makes daily on those virtual gifts |
| 12:04.13 | batrick | (i can't believe people buy those) |
| 12:06.13 | dylanm | Site has gone completely myspace |
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| 13:09.33 | Shirik | sigh |
| 13:09.40 | Shirik | I've gone so long since I last used a reinterpret_cast |
| 13:09.44 | Shirik | and all of a sudden I used 5 at once |
| 13:10.05 | Shirik | I feel as dirty as batrick's goto |
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| 13:16.23 | Shirik | ~whaleparry Fisker- |
| 13:16.24 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Fisker-'s attacks. |
| 13:16.40 | Fisker- | mean :( |
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| 13:20.14 | Shirik | Edwardo > Fisker- |
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| 13:35.27 | batrick | hey hey |
| 13:35.32 | batrick | my goto was elegant and purdy |
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| 13:43.36 | Shirik | You know, I love Microsoft's compiler |
| 13:43.58 | Shirik | Sometimes it decides |
| 13:44.07 | Shirik | error C2664: 'JNIEnv_::ReleaseStringUTFChars' : cannot convert parameter 1 from 'jobject' to 'jstring' |
| 13:44.07 | Shirik | 1> Types pointed to are unrelated; conversion requires reinterpret_cast, C-style cast or function-style cast |
| 13:44.15 | Shirik | and sometimes, in the same compilation cycle, it decides |
| 13:45.15 | Shirik | 1> Conversion from base to derived requires a static_cast or a dynamic_cast |
| 13:45.26 | Shirik | for the same cast! |
| 13:50.23 | batrick | fanboi |
| 13:50.37 | Shirik | ... |
| 13:50.42 | Shirik | obviously that was sarcasm |
| 13:50.47 | Shirik | the compiler should produce the same output EVERY TIME |
| 13:50.58 | batrick | and yet you still use it |
| 13:51.00 | batrick | hence fanboi |
| 13:51.08 | batrick | =) |
| 13:51.12 | Shirik | And it should not warn me about "oh noes your function is throwing an exception" |
| 13:51.21 | Shirik | If I wanted that, I would use Java where I have to put "throws" on every function |
| 13:51.37 | Shirik | warning C4297: 'initChecker' : function assumed not to throw an exception but does |
| 13:51.38 | Shirik | blah blah |
| 13:52.24 | Shirik | it's all mad because it's an extern "C" function and __declspec(dllexport) |
| 13:52.28 | Shirik | so nobody can handle it |
| 13:52.35 | Shirik | but that's the point! I want the program to crash if I get there |
| 13:52.39 | batrick | what are you working on |
| 13:52.44 | Shirik | a project for school |
| 13:52.59 | Shirik | it's kinda cool |
| 13:53.13 | Shirik | you stick in a logic formula and propositions and it validates it against a given algorithm |
| 13:53.25 | Shirik | if it finds a failing case, it shows you that case |
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| 13:54.34 | batrick | sounds like something prolog would be good for |
| 13:54.59 | Shirik | well we can use any language we want |
| 13:55.07 | Shirik | but I'm pretty much the only person in the entire class thatk nows something other than Java |
| 13:55.10 | Shirik | so .... |
| 13:55.17 | Shirik | I had my team use Java and then I'm linking some C++ to it |
| 13:55.19 | Industrial | pf so sad, there is so little (shadow) damage gear while leveling |
| 13:55.23 | Industrial | I hav eto use ehaling gear |
| 13:55.24 | Industrial | as a lock |
| 13:55.25 | Industrial | :| |
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| 13:56.04 | Shirik | it's kinda fun linking C++ to Java though |
| 13:56.14 | Shirik | and when I say fun I mean kinda like stab your eye out with a pencil fun |
| 13:56.40 | Shirik | because not only do I have to deal with Microsoft's crap of filling out 20 structures each with 30 "reserved" parameters that are never used |
| 13:56.48 | batrick | waiiiiiit |
| 13:56.55 | batrick | nvm |
| 13:56.59 | Shirik | but I ALSO have to weave in and out of Java's stupid environment system |
| 13:57.00 | Industrial | lol |
| 13:57.04 | Shirik | where I can't just say I want something |
| 13:57.08 | Shirik | I have to do something like |
| 13:57.19 | ralfWORK | Industrial: it's sad there is zero *any* damage gear leveling :( |
| 13:57.32 | Shirik | jclass fileClass = env->GetObjectClass(file); |
| 13:57.32 | Shirik | jmethodID getAbsolutePath = env->GetMethodID(fileClass, "getAbsolutePath", "();Ljava/lang/String"); |
| 13:57.32 | Shirik | jstring pathString = (jstring)env->CallObjectMethod(file, getAbsolutePath); |
| 13:57.32 | Shirik | path = env->GetStringUTFChars(pathString, &isCopy); |
| 13:57.35 | Shirik | .... |
| 13:57.45 | Shirik | that's just calling file.getAbsolutePath() |
| 13:57.53 | Josh_Borke | ralfwork: not true, i got some while leveling my lock |
| 13:58.09 | Industrial | ralfWORK: I agree |
| 13:58.26 | Industrial | i search the ah every day >_> |
| 13:58.37 | Industrial | !c eu boulderfist oathbreaker |
| 13:58.40 | Shirik | you guys don't deserve it |
| 13:58.41 | WoWLuaircBot | Industrial: Oathbreaker, Level 33 Undead Warlock (24/0/0). 1149 HP; 2131 Mana; 82 mana regen; 6 mp5; 10 +spell dmg/heal; 14 shadow dmg (24); 10 fire dmg (20); 3.76% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 89 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yoef4t ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/37vedj ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 10:08:38 2008 EST ]] |
| 13:58.44 | Shirik | you're already OP as it is :P |
| 13:58.51 | Industrial | Josh_Borke: I have to use of Healing gear :< |
| 13:59.01 | Shirik | I had to use healing gear too! |
| 13:59.08 | Industrial | but im a lock |
| 13:59.31 | ralfWORK | a healy lock? |
| 13:59.46 | ralfWORK | ell oh ell |
| 13:59.47 | Industrial | health drain doesnt even benefir from healing ;p |
| 14:00.25 | Shirik | I was a priest |
| 14:00.33 | Shirik | do you know what we do for the first 50 levels? |
| 14:00.49 | Shirik | and don't say go shadow >.> |
| 14:00.51 | ralfWORK | I healed instances |
| 14:00.58 | ralfWORK | that's what I did for the first 70 levels |
| 14:01.00 | ralfWORK | :) |
| 14:01.06 | Industrial | you solo shadow and pwn ass after level 40 |
| 14:01.20 | Shirik | no |
| 14:01.22 | Shirik | you heal instance |
| 14:01.26 | Shirik | over and over and over and over again |
| 14:01.27 | Industrial | i never heal on my priest |
| 14:01.34 | Shirik | then you aren't a priest imo |
| 14:01.35 | Industrial | healing sucks, go shadow |
| 14:01.38 | Shirik | you suck |
| 14:01.39 | Industrial | ;P |
| 14:01.42 | ralfWORK | having a warlock *and* a shadowpriest seems... |
| 14:01.50 | Industrial | I have an everything |
| 14:01.50 | ralfWORK | like not so much variety :) |
| 14:01.52 | Industrial | *3 |
| 14:02.15 | ralfWORK | btw, disc is the new shadow, for soloing |
| 14:02.40 | Shirik | disc is for pvp :p |
| 14:02.47 | Shirik | though I admit it's made my soloing easier at times |
| 14:02.55 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina eu boulderfist oathbreaker |
| 14:02.55 | ralfWORK | shadow sucks for soloing |
| 14:02.59 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Kimina vs Oathbreaker! Kimina has +37 lvls on Oathbreaker (70 vs 33); A L70 priest and a L33 warlock square off!; 42/19/0 vs 24/0/0; Kimina wins by 991 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 14:03.04 | Shirik | OWNED |
| 14:03.04 | ralfWORK | is it better than holy for it? yea I guess so |
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| 14:05.14 | Shirik | ok |
| 14:05.17 | Shirik | I go sleep now |
| 14:05.18 | Shirik | hopefully |
| 14:06.16 | batrick | later |
| 14:06.43 | batrick | !vs us destromath batrick us drenden kimina |
| 14:06.47 | WoWLuaircBot | batrick: Batrick vs Kimina! A L70 mage and a L70 priest square off!; 17/0/44 vs 42/19/0; Kimina wins by 208 TBRs! |
| 14:06.53 | batrick | damn priests :( |
| 14:11.04 | ralfWORK | hey anyone here using PHPraider? |
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| 14:13.35 | Cide | ~seen Nitelily |
| 14:13.38 | purl | i haven't seen 'nitelily', Cide |
| 14:13.47 | ralfWORK | Cide: that nick isn't familiar to me |
| 14:13.53 | Cide | from the forums |
| 14:13.57 | ralfWORK | but I dunno, I mostly troll here |
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| 14:34.40 | Industrial | +61 shadow damage, level 33 lock |
| 14:34.42 | Industrial | sad :( |
| 14:34.55 | Industrial | I need moar! so i can dot and fear and something dies 100% ;P |
| 14:41.05 | ralfWORK | you no can haz |
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| 15:03.31 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 15:07.25 | zenzelezz | Industrial: after BC, all stats seem pitifully low until 60 |
| 15:11.42 | batrick | i was surprised when my mage was getting 200 hp per level when bc came out |
| 15:12.57 | zenzelezz | BC scared the hell out of me when I first entered Outland... those imps on one of the first quests nearly owned me so many times |
| 15:13.22 | cog|work | is it just me or did they nerf them after a while? |
| 15:14.06 | batrick | i just ran into them and AE spammed like a pro |
| 15:14.29 | zenzelezz | they seemed easier for my hunter, but I'm not sure if they were changed |
| 15:14.39 | cog|work | maybe it is just me... the first time was on my warrior the second was on my 'lock... <.< |
| 15:14.41 | cog|work | >.> |
| 15:15.27 | zenzelezz | my first was on the prot warrior (in tank gear), second was a while later on hunter |
| 15:16.25 | Bela|work | wdn is now up to date |
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| 15:23.54 | Industrial | I cant browse the armory for eg level 29 locks only? |
| 15:23.56 | Industrial | :\ |
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| 16:39.24 | ralfWORK | sigh |
| 16:39.32 | ralfWORK | so it's time to have a come to jesus meeting with our tank |
| 16:39.54 | Lopeppeppy | Bring cookies. |
| 16:40.03 | ralfWORK | I'll need em |
| 16:40.24 | ralfWORK | esp. because we started casual, so the entire idea of a come to jesus meeting is going to be foreign |
| 16:40.45 | Lopeppeppy | Then be gentle as well. |
| 16:40.52 | ralfWORK | yea |
| 16:41.19 | ralfWORK | he can't tank worth a damn |
| 16:41.23 | ralfWORK | can't tank more than 1 thing |
| 16:41.26 | ralfWORK | can't pick up any adds |
| 16:41.36 | ralfWORK | can't keep up a battle/commanding shout |
| 16:42.01 | ralfWORK | so yea. I'll have to find a nice way to bring that up |
| 16:42.37 | Cide | start with "hey you. learn to play, will ya?" |
| 16:42.40 | Cide | it always worked for me |
| 16:42.51 | ralfWORK | I'm thinking that'll go over pretty well |
| 16:43.48 | ralfWORK | "hey I know you've been tanking for a year plus now, but your daughter who just dinged 70 on her druid runs furry circles around you as a tank. What's up?" |
| 16:44.28 | ralfWORK | that should go over well too |
| 16:44.43 | batrick | I bet cide throws things when he misses heals |
| 16:44.52 | Cide | I do |
| 16:44.54 | Cide | well, I would |
| 16:45.00 | Cide | but I never miss heals |
| 16:45.03 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 16:45.06 | batrick | riiiight |
| 16:45.47 | Cide | it's true, ask my tanks! |
| 16:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | Tanks duck, healers don't miss. |
| 16:46.41 | Cide | and sometimes my heals are resisted, too |
| 16:46.43 | Cide | but that's not my fault |
| 16:47.02 | ralfWORK | l2gear nub; get some +hit and you won't have that problem with your heals |
| 16:47.10 | ralfWORK | true story |
| 16:47.32 | batrick | i was a good pve healer on my priest but a terrible pvp healer |
| 16:47.39 | ralfWORK | screw pvp |
| 16:47.45 | clad|office | how can you be a terrible pvp healer? |
| 16:47.49 | batrick | pvp healing sucks unless ur a pally :( |
| 16:47.55 | Cide | I'm an awesome pve healer and an excellent pvp healer |
| 16:47.56 | batrick | clad|office: I managed |
| 16:48.08 | batrick | tehn again |
| 16:48.13 | clad|office | heh |
| 16:48.14 | batrick | my priest was in absolutely terribad gear |
| 16:48.19 | ralfWORK | I'm a great pvp healer |
| 16:48.22 | batrick | so i guess i can blame that |
| 16:48.35 | ralfWORK | I just don't heal very well while I'm dead |
| 16:48.48 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 16:51.05 | Cide | try harder |
| 16:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | I pick someone cute and ride around behind them healing them. Fun PvP healing by tabard color! |
| 16:51.24 | ralfWORK | I speced imp death and still died |
| 16:51.25 | ralfWORK | lawl |
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| 16:51.44 | foxlit | But at least that wasn't a waste of talents! :P |
| 16:51.52 | ralfWORK | hmm. improve taunt in his spec |
| 16:52.34 | ralfWORK | no improved sunder |
| 16:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't need it with Devastate, so I'm told. |
| 16:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | They rarely sunder anymore, just keep on with the Devastate. |
| 16:53.28 | ralfWORK | imp sunder affects devastate |
| 16:53.33 | ralfWORK | reduced rage cost |
| 16:54.46 | ralfWORK | not sure that imp taunt is brilliant |
| 16:54.48 | Lopeppeppy | I've never noticed my tanks to have issues with having rage to spend on moves. |
| 16:54.49 | ralfWORK | nor imp shield bash |
| 16:55.10 | ralfWORK | apparently this one does |
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| 16:56.02 | ralfWORK | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Elune&n=Knarly |
| 16:56.09 | ralfWORK | imp TC might help him |
| 16:56.13 | ralfWORK | as he sucks at trash |
| 16:59.31 | |Jelly| | !vs us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 16:59.35 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Kimina! Two 70 priests square off!; 18/43/0 vs 42/19/0; Kimina wins by 284 TBRs! |
| 16:59.48 | |Jelly| | Gah. Assface! |
| 17:01.16 | ralfWORK | ohhh do me do me |
| 17:01.26 | ralfWORK | !vs us burning legion jelly us elune nightface |
| 17:01.29 | |Jelly| | I don't have a grudge with you. |
| 17:01.36 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 17:01.46 | |Jelly| | Shirik on the other hand, is an assface. |
| 17:01.59 | |Jelly| | !co us burning legion jelly us drenden kimina |
| 17:02.01 | WoWLuaircBot | |Jelly|: Jelly vs Kimina! Two 70 priests compare their stat differences; 18/43/0 vs 42/19/0; Kimina ++3900 HP; Jelly ++525 +healing; Jelly ++207 +spelldmg; Kimina ++702 Armour; Kimina ++1170 Mana; Jelly ++117 mana regen; Kimina ++279 resilience; Jelly ++52 mp5; Kimina has 3% more stats then Jelly. |
| 17:02.32 | ralfWORK | oh disc right k |
| 17:02.37 | ralfWORK | why didn't mine work :( |
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| 17:06.06 | |Jelly| | [3] <Sources>: any kara groups runnin? i can summon nightbane <-- Why is it that this doesn't ... make me want to take him even more? |
| 17:06.24 | |Jelly| | I need to l2talk |
| 17:06.30 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 17:07.04 | ralfWORK | is it because you hate nightbane? |
| 17:07.17 | Lopeppeppy | I just favor good grammar over an idiot. I'm fussy that way. |
| 17:07.46 | |Jelly| | <Sources>: Level 70 ***Tauren Hunter*** <Caedes Hosticus> - Orgrimmar <-- didn't help his cause |
| 17:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | Does the guild name mean anything? |
| 17:08.15 | Kalroth | hooray for random latin words as a guildname |
| 17:08.21 | |Jelly| | *insert random latin saying to sound awesome* |
| 17:08.33 | |Jelly| | At least mine's Greek. Jeez. |
| 17:08.39 | ralfWORK | hahahahaha |
| 17:08.44 | ralfWORK | mine's lame |
| 17:08.47 | Kalroth | Greek is pretty bad too! |
| 17:08.52 | ralfWORK | and yes, I'm a fan of grammar |
| 17:08.55 | |Jelly| | Your face is pretty bad. |
| 17:09.04 | Kalroth | Flokos! |
| 17:09.08 | |Jelly| | Yes. I went there! |
| 17:10.34 | ralfWORK | D: |
| 17:10.42 | ralfWORK | when are they adding ignore armor to the armory |
| 17:10.46 | Kalroth | Jelly, moufaka! |
| 17:12.23 | |Jelly| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPWWoSO8-XQ&feature=related Is that anything like what Elvis is calling Slevin in this clip? (cursing) |
| 17:13.14 | |Jelly| | 1:15 :P |
| 17:14.59 | Kalroth | You don't even speak greek, Jelly :( |
| 17:15.07 | |Jelly| | Of course I don't. |
| 17:15.08 | Kalroth | Such a faker! |
| 17:15.12 | ralfWORK | poser |
| 17:15.14 | |Jelly| | Hell, I barely speak english. |
| 17:15.21 | |Jelly| | I'm not the gleader. :P |
| 17:15.59 | Kalroth | Well tell your GL that word then :P |
| 17:16.17 | |Jelly| | Why? |
| 17:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | I know a few sentences in Greek, enough to be laughed at and sent to the nearest goat. I think. |
| 17:16.31 | ralfWORK | Flokos? |
| 17:16.44 | |Jelly| | You see, the more and more vague you get, the less and less I care about it really. |
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| 17:16.53 | Kalroth | no, moufaka, not flokos |
| 17:16.57 | Kalroth | flokos is too kind |
| 17:17.00 | ralfWORK | oh ok |
| 17:19.57 | ralfWORK | hey anyone checked out guild vault on PTR? |
| 17:20.15 | ralfWORK | I had heard rumors that they were adding a feature where you could include a text blurb for each bank tab |
| 17:20.21 | ralfWORK | in 2.4 |
| 17:20.28 | ralfWORK | but I don't know if that ever happened or not |
| 17:21.28 | |pez| | I want this, as a clock, on my arm - http://weq.miaka.info/swf/RingClock.swf |
| 17:26.40 | Elkano | ralfWORK, looking at http://wdnaddons.com/0408049/AddOns/Blizzard_GuildBankUI/Blizzard_GuildBankUI.lua?diff=2337799 it seems so |
| 17:28.29 | cog|work | |pez|: needs 10ths imo |
| 17:28.58 | Kalroth | pez, that's pretty cool, although the colours are a bit fairy >< |
| 17:29.33 | Kalroth | and remove the silly am/pm thingy :( |
| 17:39.25 | ralfWORK | uhm... hehe k |
| 17:40.21 | ralfWORK | this:RegisterEvent("GUILDBANK_UPDATE_TEXT"); |
| 17:40.28 | ralfWORK | this:RegisterEvent("GUILDBANK_TEXT_CHANGED"); |
| 17:40.36 | ralfWORK | I'm guessing maybe would be for that text? |
| 17:40.37 | ralfWORK | idk |
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| 18:00.43 | Lunessa | Only in Texas baby - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 18:01.33 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 18:02.08 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 18:02.25 | Lunessa | I is teh hardcorez |
| 18:02.35 | Lopeppeppy | Pimped. |
| 18:02.47 | Lunessa | the rig be bangin' |
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| 18:08.56 | Shirik | damn |
| 18:09.03 | Fisker- | i am going to destroy you |
| 18:09.03 | Shirik | that rig iz off da hook |
| 18:09.09 | Shirik | ~destroy Fisker- |
| 18:09.10 | purl | no |
| 18:09.13 | Shirik | :< |
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| 18:14.58 | ralfWORK | wtf |
| 18:15.45 | Fisker- | fuck win purl |
| 18:15.48 | Fisker- | you defend me |
| 18:15.53 | Fisker- | ~destroy Shirik |
| 18:15.54 | purl | no |
| 18:15.58 | Fisker- | i haet you |
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| 18:24.33 | Fisker- | btw Cairenn |
| 18:24.36 | Fisker- | Tharfor = Heretic |
| 18:24.43 | Cairenn | Fisker-: ? |
| 18:25.20 | Fisker- | He mentioned wowdigger :( |
| 18:25.32 | Cairenn | oh |
| 18:25.34 | Cairenn | that |
| 18:25.36 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 18:25.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.53 | Fisker- | they don't care :P |
| 18:25.59 | Fisker- | even posted it in the thread now |
| 18:26.14 | Cairenn | link? |
| 18:26.54 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3190690629&sid=1&pageNo=2#23 |
| 18:27.47 | Cairenn | yeah =/ |
| 18:28.51 | Fisker- | Pretty fun at the obvious gamersinc brainwashed players claiming that there's only a trojan because it's owned by IGE |
| 18:30.07 | Cairenn | I know |
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| 18:37.31 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 18:37.35 | Shirik | one of my team members just called me |
| 18:38.05 | Shirik | "What the hell is this catch(...) in your code? Did you forget to replace the ... with the type?" |
| 18:38.08 | Shirik | "no..." |
| 18:38.15 | Shirik | "Well, what, are you just going to leave it like that?" |
| 18:38.17 | Shirik | "yes..." |
| 18:38.22 | Shirik | "And you expect it to compile." |
| 18:38.24 | Shirik | "yes..." |
| 18:38.35 | Shirik | "Oh. Wow. It does. What the hell is ...!" |
| 18:38.40 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:38.57 | Shirik | he was also mad at me for my "throw;" |
| 18:39.02 | Shirik | "You aren't even throwing anything!" |
| 18:39.16 | Tem|Food | Shirik, you deserve it |
| 18:39.18 | Shirik | aerospace engineers should not be allowed to look at code |
| 18:39.21 | Tem|Food | ~exception Shirik |
| 18:39.22 | purl | ACTION throws a NullPointerException at Shirik. |
| 18:39.34 | Shirik | ralfWORK: http://wowi.pastey.net/83710 |
| 18:39.35 | Esamynn | Shirik: what language and what team is this? |
| 18:39.35 | Shirik | have fun |
| 18:39.44 | Shirik | C++, a team that I'm working with at school |
| 18:39.47 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 18:39.48 | Tem|Food | and EEs should not be allowed to write it |
| 18:39.57 | Shirik | I'm not an EE! |
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| 18:40.22 | Tem|Food | EEC then? |
| 18:40.27 | Shirik | ralfWORK: catch(...) catches any exception thrown |
| 18:40.35 | Shirik | Tem|Food: If that's computer engineering, yes. |
| 18:40.39 | ralfWORK | interesting |
| 18:40.41 | Tem|Food | (i.e. the same shit with some csc classes tacked on) |
| 18:40.42 | zenzelezz | any C++ exception |
| 18:40.49 | Shirik | any C++ exception |
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| 18:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 18:41.15 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 is so far behind |
| 18:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I woke up 40 minutes ago :( |
| 18:41.39 | Shirik | so did I! |
| 18:41.49 | zenzelezz | Shirik: have you ever set VC++'s catch() to catch structured exceptions too? |
| 18:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 07:12 -!- Irssi: Shirik|zZz is now known as Shirik |
| 18:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | You're a liar |
| 18:42.02 | Shirik | oh that's when I woke up the first time |
| 18:42.07 | Shirik | well actually that's when I gave up going to sleep |
| 18:42.15 | Shirik | then I went to sleep |
| 18:42.18 | Tem|Food | The prosecution asserts that this shit is off the hook. |
| 18:42.29 | Shirik | zenzelezz: "structured exceptions"? |
| 18:42.33 | Tem|Food | Shirik, I've been awake since 1am |
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| 18:42.48 | Tem|Food | yay for sticking a magnet to my body-clock |
| 18:42.53 | kergoth | hahah |
| 18:43.08 | zenzelezz | Shirik: the Windows special kind |
| 18:43.36 | Shirik | I'm not aware of any exceptions Windows throws. Usually they indicate their status from the APIs and then you call GetLastError() |
| 18:43.37 | zenzelezz | you can configure the compiler to catch those too using normal C++ exception handling, but I've not been able to find out how to make use of that |
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| 18:43.46 | zenzelezz | Shirik: mostly "access violation" |
| 18:43.53 | Shirik | zenzelezz: You may have to use the microsoft-specific try/catch/finally |
| 18:43.57 | Lunessa | that rig be bangin' |
| 18:43.58 | Shirik | __try, __catch, __finally |
| 18:44.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: apparently! |
| 18:44.39 | Tem|Food | ScytheBlade1, probably the funniest thing I've seen in a week |
| 18:44.41 | Tem|Food | <3 |
| 18:44.46 | Tem|Food | food time |
| 18:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|Food: yeah same, that was just awesome |
| 18:46.15 | Shirik | zenzelezz: When I'm looking at the microsoft-specific __try,__catch,__finally on the MSDN |
| 18:46.17 | Shirik | I see "Structured exception handling works with Win32 for both C and C++ source files. However, it is not specifically designed for C++. You can ensure that your code is more portable by using C++ exception handling. Also, C++ exception handling is more flexible, in that it can handle exceptions of any type." |
| 18:46.22 | Shirik | so I would guess that's it |
| 18:47.43 | Shirik | sorry |
| 18:47.48 | Shirik | __try,__except,__finally |
| 18:47.52 | Shirik | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/swezty51(VS.80).aspx |
| 18:48.00 | zenzelezz | I know you can tell the compiler to catch SEH exceptions with normal C++ catch(), but I've yet to determine how to determine *what* SEH exception you catch ;) |
| 18:48.30 | Shirik | dunno then, sorry >< |
| 18:48.43 | Shirik | I try to write my code such that any possible crash won't affect my program in a way that I need to catch it |
| 18:48.50 | zenzelezz | np, just figured I'd ask since we were on the subject =) |
| 18:51.16 | |pez| | Ok, my body doesn't like me anymoooore |
| 18:51.42 | ralfWORK | oh? |
| 18:51.45 | |pez| | My arms, they feel like jello after a bit of lifting. |
| 18:51.49 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 18:52.12 | |pez| | I had a rather ungracefull fall out of nowhere, which has left me with a rather large bruise on my thigh, and my head hurts. :P |
| 18:52.17 | |pez| | the fall was weird. |
| 18:52.25 | |pez| | I was walking up some concrete stairs. |
| 18:52.32 | |pez| | and suddenly I'm not walking anymore. |
| 18:52.49 | ralfWORK | ice? |
| 18:52.50 | Cide | you're hovering? |
| 18:53.02 | |pez| | Usually you get some kind of "oh, I'm falling" feeling, and manage to save yourself. |
| 18:53.03 | |pez| | but nooo. |
| 18:53.22 | |pez| | I was walking and talking, and then suddenly I'm lying on the damned stairs face down. |
| 18:53.45 | |pez| | I almost managed to hit my face in the concrete, and crush my knee. :P |
| 18:53.59 | ralfWORK | and you don't know what happened? |
| 18:54.08 | |pez| | No clue. |
| 18:54.18 | |pez| | I didn't black out or anything. |
| 18:54.21 | |pez| | I just fell. |
| 18:54.43 | Shirik | hm, kinda like that time my friend was fixing a GFI |
| 18:54.45 | ralfWORK | wow |
| 18:54.47 | ralfWORK | that sucks |
| 18:54.54 | Cide | I had an interesting experience today, too |
| 18:55.00 | Shirik | and apparently he grounded himself while working on it, and he just got stuck |
| 18:55.06 | Cide | I was on the bus, and it goes from point A to B to C |
| 18:55.08 | Cide | I get off at B |
| 18:55.17 | ralfWORK | Shirik: zapped? |
| 18:55.19 | Shirik | he couldn't move his hand off the outlet or anything. For a second I thought he was joking |
| 18:55.26 | ralfWORK | oh shit |
| 18:55.27 | ralfWORK | yea that sucks |
| 18:55.32 | Shirik | and then he's kinda like "no I'm kinda stuck here, can you hit the circuit breaker?" |
| 18:55.41 | ralfWORK | that's why you turn it off before you work on it |
| 18:55.42 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 18:55.42 | Shirik | he says he didn't feel anything though |
| 18:55.47 | Shirik | yeah I guess he forgot :P |
| 18:55.47 | ralfWORK | wow |
| 18:55.50 | ralfWORK | that's even stranger |
| 18:55.57 | |pez| | Cide: and then? |
| 18:55.59 | Cide | I was pretty tired so I kept nodding off, and suddenly I was approaching B |
| 18:56.06 | Cide | only... I was approaching it from the wrong direction |
| 18:56.15 | Cide | as if the bus had gone all the way to C and then halfway back again |
| 18:56.16 | ralfWORK | well there was this one time when I was working on a light in the cieling |
| 18:56.22 | Cide | but I don't think it did |
| 18:56.27 | |pez| | Cide: hah, sleeping on the bu are we? |
| 18:56.28 | ralfWORK | being stupid; didn't turn the power off first |
| 18:56.35 | Cide | well, not really |
| 18:56.38 | ralfWORK | I was standing on a table doing the work |
| 18:56.46 | Cide | I wasn't really "late" home |
| 18:56.56 | ralfWORK | next thing I know, I'm laying down on the table in fetal position |
| 18:57.01 | ralfWORK | don't remember falling or anything |
| 18:57.15 | ralfWORK | just legs went away and BAM I was on the table |
| 18:57.22 | Cide | one word: owned |
| 18:57.26 | Cide | lamp > you |
| 18:57.28 | ralfWORK | lol pretty much |
| 18:57.37 | ralfWORK | felt that way first time I healed kara |
| 18:57.48 | ralfWORK | and agan when doing Akil'Zon |
| 18:57.49 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 18:58.25 | Cide | how many ralfWORKs does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 18:58.29 | Cide | >1, at least |
| 18:58.36 | ralfWORK | hah funny |
| 18:58.41 | ralfWORK | nice try but no |
| 18:58.44 | ralfWORK | wasn't changing light :( |
| 18:58.49 | Cide | sure you weren't. |
| 18:59.09 | ralfWORK | :( |
| 18:59.34 | Cide | late I'm sure, but http://xkcd.com/395/ is awesome |
| 18:59.59 | Cairenn | yeah, that's a good one Cide :) |
| 19:00.04 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 19:00.24 | Josh_Borke | yea, i like it |
| 19:14.53 | Gnarfoz | anyone doing music production in here? this is so awesome: http://www.celemony.com/dna_standalone/ |
| 19:20.06 | kd3 | sweet. my monitors are here |
| 19:20.14 | Josh_Borke | woot |
| 19:24.38 | Cide | Gnarfoz: that is awesome |
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| 19:31.53 | Gnarfoz | Cide: indeed, quite a breakthrough |
| 19:32.23 | Lunessa | This ... is amazing: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=163653&title=marines-in-berkeley |
| 19:34.59 | Cairenn | "we're sorry but this video is not available." |
| 19:36.33 | Shirik | wheeee |
| 19:36.35 | Shirik | -- specification Q.State = 1 is false |
| 19:36.35 | Shirik | -- as demonstrated by the following execution sequence |
| 19:36.35 | Shirik | Trace Description: LTL Counterexample |
| 19:36.36 | Shirik | it works! |
| 19:36.43 | Cide | haha, Lunessa |
| 19:37.16 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Sorry... I pasted the URL I was using to watch it. |
| 19:38.10 | Cide | "it's very important to protect free speech, and so we clearly have the right to be here" "if only there was an organization that was sworn to defend that free speech!" "wouldn't that be great.." "that would be outstanding, right?!" |
| 19:38.54 | Lunessa | Yeah. I'm amused that it's clear to you, and you're not a citizen of the USA. But that woman... she can't figure it out. |
| 19:39.11 | Cide | well, sweden is a country with a military as well :P |
| 19:39.17 | Cide | not that it's very active, but still.... |
| 19:39.30 | Cide | haha, that is amazing |
| 19:39.52 | ralfWORK | I got to explain to someone that light has a speed the other day |
| 19:40.07 | ralfWORK | I was very, very sad :( |
| 19:40.26 | Cide | did you explain how, if you go forward in, say, 0.8c, and fire a photon, you'll still measure it as going in c, and not 0.2c? |
| 19:40.49 | ralfWORK | no, I didn't even start on that |
| 19:40.55 | Cide | I usually start with that |
| 19:40.58 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 19:40.59 | Cide | that way, it all makes sense |
| 19:41.00 | ralfWORK | no |
| 19:41.02 | Shirik | wow Lunessa |
| 19:41.33 | Cide | Shirik: yep |
| 19:41.47 | Lunessa | Cide: You're a wicked evil bastard. You should rule the world, seriously. |
| 19:41.58 | Cide | Lunessa: that's what I keep saying. |
| 19:42.00 | ralfWORK | I am also ashamed to admit that I didn't know that light's speed changes in different mediums |
| 19:42.13 | Cairenn | okay, I still can't get the video to work, someone want to give me a link that works? |
| 19:42.27 | ralfWORK | I had always thought it was constant, regardless of medium |
| 19:43.52 | Lunessa | http://www.thedailyshow.com/ |
| 19:44.10 | Lunessa | It's for March 10, 2008 |
| 19:44.23 | Cide | http://youtube.com/watch?v=SCOFYhPFgw0 |
| 19:44.26 | Cide | ^ same video |
| 19:44.44 | Cide | well, it's not the full video, I think |
| 19:44.55 | Cide | actually it is |
| 19:45.11 | Cairenn | thanks |
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| 19:51.44 | ralfWORK | hmm. so the formula is going to be called Void Shatter |
| 19:51.47 | ralfWORK | that's pretty cool |
| 19:52.00 | ralfWORK | I like that name |
| 19:53.55 | ralfWORK | anyone follow how the sunwell plateau crafted items work? |
| 19:54.12 | ralfWORK | like... do those patterns drop only in the raid I assume? |
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| 19:57.03 | kd3 | bah. need to find me some wide desktop backgrounds... ss: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/17dd88f9a1802c95870d00b9001b3ad7.jpg cam: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9dcfdf35245a3f33d82f9d413636e189.JPG |
| 19:57.47 | cog|work | that's a good use for the ia-32 references... |
| 19:58.27 | kd3 | meh, lets them see sunlight for a change. they were just in my closet |
| 19:58.34 | Cide | was just gonna say |
| 19:58.58 | Cide | can you adjust the stand height or did they just match perfectly? :P |
| 19:59.03 | Lunessa | wtb - more monitors. |
| 19:59.12 | Cide | MOAR MONITOARS |
| 19:59.17 | Cide | sorry. |
| 19:59.18 | Lunessa | RAWR |
| 19:59.25 | cog|work | Lunessa: we got it! |
| 19:59.26 | kd3 | my roommate upgraded to twin 24"s iirc. I just bought these off him for cheap |
| 19:59.35 | Lunessa | cog|work: WHOOOOOT |
| 19:59.41 | Cide | cog|work: congrats! |
| 19:59.47 | Lunessa | I'm gonna have to come visit after you settle in. :) |
| 20:00.04 | Cide | yeah, I have two 24"s |
| 20:00.06 | Cide | it's awesome |
| 20:00.47 | Lunessa | cog|work: next time you guys are in TX, you'll have to visit my new pad on the island. :) |
| 20:00.56 | kd3 | this is still massive... my old monitor was a single 17" |
| 20:01.08 | Josh_Borke | 2 24"?! |
| 20:01.17 | Cide | Josh_Borke: yup |
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| 20:01.24 | Lunessa | kd3 & Cide - /envy |
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| 20:01.39 | Josh_Borke | kd3, what did you get? |
| 20:02.01 | kd3 | dual 21"s |
| 20:02.26 | art3mis | heh ive got a 22 and an 18 |
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| 20:06.14 | art3mis | so hey mac people |
| 20:06.18 | ralfWORK | ya |
| 20:06.29 | art3mis | what do you guys use as a low cost softwarefor sync backup? |
| 20:06.43 | ralfWORK | rsync! |
| 20:06.44 | art3mis | with differential ? |
| 20:06.58 | deltron | rsync! |
| 20:06.58 | ralfWORK | erm naw I dunno |
| 20:07.03 | ralfWORK | http://www.rhinoback.com |
| 20:07.12 | art3mis | main backup, then dated changed backup only with 5 day rotation |
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| 20:08.11 | ralfWORK | that's a remote backup service I've used before. works fine. |
| 20:08.11 | ralfWORK | if you want a local solution... erm... |
| 20:08.11 | ralfWORK | I haven't messed with them really |
| 20:08.11 | art3mis | im thinking more inhouse |
| 20:08.11 | art3mis | dont need remote |
| 20:08.22 | art3mis | im gonna cheat for that ;P |
| 20:08.34 | art3mis | 5.95/mn dreamhost account is 500gb of storage ;P |
| 20:08.41 | art3mis | so ftp backup and away we go ;P |
| 20:08.51 | deltron | what about amazon s3? |
| 20:08.58 | ralfWORK | well I mean |
| 20:08.59 | ralfWORK | rsync |
| 20:09.01 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:09.07 | ralfWORK | if you wanna just FTP it off |
| 20:09.15 | ralfWORK | frickin rsync it |
| 20:09.17 | Valaron|Work | I backup with find | cpio |
| 20:09.24 | ralfWORK | hey that works |
| 20:09.35 | ralfWORK | my hard drive is one big SVN working copy |
| 20:09.36 | ralfWORK | wewt |
| 20:09.42 | Valaron|Work | And mtx for tape changing |
| 20:10.31 | Industrial | What instance do I farm for mageweave cloth |
| 20:10.37 | ralfWORK | instance? |
| 20:10.39 | ralfWORK | naw |
| 20:10.44 | Industrial | wherever |
| 20:10.45 | ralfWORK | there's a place I think I farmed for it |
| 20:10.50 | ralfWORK | to do bandaids |
| 20:10.51 | ralfWORK | hrm |
| 20:11.01 | Industrial | getting my alt the Shadowweave cloth set |
| 20:11.16 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10285#reagent-for |
| 20:11.17 | art3mis | yeah rsync should do |
| 20:11.31 | Josh_Borke | industrial: tanaris |
| 20:11.39 | ralfWORK | tanaris is good I think |
| 20:11.41 | Josh_Borke | industrial: the ogres in tanaris are fairly tightly packed |
| 20:11.44 | Industrial | k |
| 20:11.53 | Josh_Borke | though, i guess that cave in badlands would be good |
| 20:12.05 | ralfWORK | actually, I need to farm some mageweave |
| 20:12.07 | art3mis | basically he's gonna end up with 1 500gb data drive, 1 500gb external that will be synced to each other and then the data from the external will be ftp mirrored |
| 20:12.20 | ralfWORK | that crap is more expensive per stack than damn netherweave :P |
| 20:12.31 | art3mis | i did the two ogre camps |
| 20:12.41 | art3mis | 1 boring circle ends in constant pop |
| 20:12.56 | art3mis | in tanaris |
| 20:13.06 | Valaron|Work | rsync is good for file synchronization. |
| 20:13.29 | art3mis | ikeep forgetting ive got the world of fbsd programs to pick from too ;P |
| 20:13.42 | ralfWORK | yea, you do |
| 20:13.46 | ralfWORK | write a script |
| 20:13.48 | art3mis | and with pararells i dont need a partition it just stores it as an iso right? |
| 20:13.48 | ralfWORK | be done with it |
| 20:14.00 | Valaron|Work | profit |
| 20:14.02 | ralfWORK | dunno, haven't used parallelsssess |
| 20:14.05 | art3mis | ditto for vm |
| 20:14.16 | art3mis | vmfusion |
| 20:14.35 | ralfWORK | lol from wowhead: |
| 20:14.35 | ralfWORK | This is gonna sound off, but considering how useless Timbermaw rep is now, the Timbermaw furries in Azshara are really great for mageweave, and they have runecloth drops and lots of chest spawns as well. Slaughter the stupid pricks for the rep grind they forced you into years ago and get rich at the same time! |
| 20:14.52 | Industrial | lol |
| 20:15.07 | ralfWORK | hilarity |
| 20:15.36 | Lunessa | I've used Parallels and VMWare Fusion. I prefer Fusion. But Parallels is nice. |
| 20:15.56 | Valaron|Work | Anyone got Nagios working with Windows Clients? |
| 20:16.24 | Industrial | woah |
| 20:16.33 | deltron | nagios please |
| 20:16.39 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=4338 |
| 20:16.48 | Industrial | look at the droprate in azshara |
| 20:16.58 | Industrial | going there :p |
| 20:17.03 | ralfWORK | uh |
| 20:17.09 | ralfWORK | comments > stupi drop rate |
| 20:17.20 | ralfWORK | drop rate doesn't tell you how fast they repop |
| 20:17.26 | ralfWORK | or how many mobs are close together |
| 20:17.30 | ralfWORK | or any of that crap |
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| 20:19.17 | art3mis | the timbermaw are fine just remember that if you're already at honoured to get through the tunnel to moondglade that you'll be destroying rep by farming that |
| 20:20.01 | art3mis | and thers definitely more running around to each of the camps, they come in 3's most of the time and repop slow(from what ive seen) |
| 20:20.40 | Industrial | okey then tanaris it is |
| 20:20.47 | Industrial | lol doh on flight again |
| 20:20.47 | Industrial | :< |
| 20:21.43 | art3mis | http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2007/12/14/addon-studio-for-world-of-warcraft-now-available.aspx |
| 20:22.20 | p3lim | art3mis: aint that old news? I recall reading about it a few months ago |
| 20:22.28 | art3mis | yeah dec 17th |
| 20:22.34 | art3mis | i hadnt read about it |
| 20:22.53 | Industrial | old liek woa |
| 20:23.04 | p3lim | its mostly for making GUI's really |
| 20:23.09 | Fisker- | i'm going to kill you |
| 20:23.17 | art3mis | yeah but making guis sucks ;P |
| 20:23.24 | p3lim | but with the new optionsframe from blizz many would use that instead i think |
| 20:23.56 | p3lim | atleast I would, but i dont have any settings on my addons :) |
| 20:24.48 | Fisker- | i'm dying art3mis :( |
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| 20:26.04 | p3lim | what category would a castingbar addon go under? |
| 20:26.35 | Cide | 'addons' |
| 20:26.38 | Industrial | general addons |
| 20:26.41 | Cide | hahaha I'm so funny. |
| 20:27.01 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.06 | Industrial | p3lim: certainly not under "bar" addons >:P |
| 20:27.21 | Industrial | should have named it "unitframes" and "action bars" ;\ |
| 20:27.33 | p3lim | im blind >_< |
| 20:27.38 | p3lim | thanks id |
| 20:28.08 | batrick | do you feel death |
| 20:29.52 | Industrial | death is a state, not a feeling |
| 20:30.58 | batrick | i was quoting, nice try tho |
| 20:32.27 | Lunessa | It's "Jack Sparrow, tell me... Do you fear death?" |
| 20:32.55 | Gnarfoz | :D GM rezzed me, after I logged out as a ghost after being killed on top of the Nagrand arena during my lunch break today... didn't have the usual "this way to the spirit healer" arrow and couldn't find where it was ^^ |
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| 20:34.04 | batrick | Lunessa: nah it was something else |
| 20:34.14 | batrick | but that's a good quote too |
| 20:35.18 | batrick | shirik |
| 20:35.21 | batrick | ping |
| 20:35.23 | Shirik | batrick |
| 20:35.25 | Shirik | pong |
| 20:35.49 | batrick | u finish that windows versino yet |
| 20:36.29 | MentalPower | Gnarfoz: you can use the stuck command in that case |
| 20:36.43 | MentalPower | it will port you to the spirit healer |
| 20:36.57 | Gnarfoz | indeed? didn't try, because I could move around freely ^^ |
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| 20:37.13 | MentalPower | or you can just fall to your "death" for the same effect |
| 20:37.30 | MentalPower | ie fall off the edge of the world |
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| 20:37.37 | Shirik | batrick: It's been finished :P |
| 20:37.50 | Shirik | it just doesn't seem to like visual studio |
| 20:37.53 | batrick | i thought you had trouble compiling |
| 20:37.58 | Shirik | I will compile it using another compiler to see |
| 20:38.00 | batrick | well |
| 20:38.02 | Shirik | but I have to finish a few things first |
| 20:38.03 | batrick | i'm nearly done |
| 20:38.05 | batrick | fyi |
| 20:38.12 | Shirik | I'll find a way to break it |
| 20:38.12 | batrick | except for tables and functions |
| 20:38.13 | Shirik | don't worry |
| 20:38.16 | batrick | which i'm in no hurry to do |
| 20:38.36 | batrick | probably going to release it before tables/functions |
| 20:38.40 | batrick | anyway bbl |
| 20:44.19 | kd3 | lua> 1680/1050 |
| 20:44.20 | lua_bot | kd3: 1.6 |
| 20:44.56 | Gnarfoz | 16:10 =O |
| 20:47.32 | zenzelezz | lua> 1920/1200 |
| 20:47.32 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 1.6 |
| 20:47.53 | Shirik | 1>nusmv - 0 error(s), 24 warning(s) |
| 20:48.01 | Shirik | Chances that it crashes the Java VM? |
| 20:48.30 | kd3 | lua>1600/1024 |
| 20:48.31 | lua_bot | kd3: 1.5625 |
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| 20:50.58 | Shirik | what? I don't even get a response? |
| 20:51.02 | Shirik | I thought at least someone would say 105% |
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| 20:51.56 | Cairenn | Antiarc: ping? |
| 20:52.23 | zenzelezz | what do you take us for, a bunch of prejudiced whiners? |
| 20:52.35 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:52.36 | Shirik | yes? |
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| 20:52.47 | zenzelezz | you make kitty cry :( |
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| 20:53.19 | Dreagar | wow that was a pain. lol. hello everyon! how yall been? |
| 20:53.21 | Shirik | ok time to see if this crashes the Java VM! |
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| 20:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzelezz. |
| 20:54.22 | Shirik | kill the gnome! |
| 20:54.32 | Dreagar | any one have an idea why i can't change maps when i have my addon loaded, and cartographers look and feel loaded? |
| 20:54.49 | Dreagar | i've tried changing the level of my addon, and the strata, just nothin seems to work |
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| 20:59.04 | Dreagar | what's the name of that addon that lets u mouseover frames and se what level they are? |
| 20:59.38 | ralfWORK | uhm... isn't that in the default ui? |
| 21:00.00 | Dreagar | nah, someone wrote an addon does all kinda other nifty stuff too, just can't remember the naem |
| 21:00.30 | kd3 | gah. the annoying thing about changing aspect ratios is I have to fix my WoW UI now too |
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| 21:01.20 | Dreagar | DevTools. :_) |
| 21:06.30 | Dreagar | damnit. even set the strata to low, and no joy, only when carts look and feel is loaded tho, can't figure out what's causein the issue. :( |
| 21:07.27 | Dreagar | able to change maps just fine when turnin off my addon, or cartographers Look n feel |
| 21:07.30 | MentalPower | do you use buttons? |
| 21:07.34 | Dreagar | loads |
| 21:08.04 | MentalPower | try to remove the button's :EnableMouse() (or whatever its called) |
| 21:08.25 | Dreagar | in the xml? |
| 21:08.30 | zenzelezz | "The 'sparse voxel octree' that Carmack discusses would allow for 'unique geometry down to the equivalent of the texel across everything.'" <-- Carmack bringing back voxels? :-o |
| 21:08.40 | MentalPower | oh, you use XML... hmm... |
| 21:08.57 | Dreagar | they're all inheriting UIButtonPanelTemplaete |
| 21:09.23 | Shirik | here goes nothing |
| 21:09.39 | Dreagar | who needs a java vm anyways. |
| 21:09.43 | MentalPower | ok, do you have a list of said buttons somewhere? |
| 21:09.58 | MentalPower | cause the other option is to :Hide() each one in turn |
| 21:09.59 | Dreagar | indeed in the xml, do you want to see it? |
| 21:10.13 | MentalPower | basically one of those is overlapping the map's control buttons |
| 21:10.20 | Dreagar | hide each button, cause one of them is causing the issue. ok. |
| 21:10.23 | MentalPower | and preventing the mouse clicks from reaching |
| 21:10.25 | Dreagar | lemme see what happens |
| 21:10.31 | Dreagar | thanks mental |
| 21:10.56 | MentalPower | one or more actually, cause you can have overlapping buttons |
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| 21:16.14 | Dreagar | Hid all the buttons, and still no joy, could it be a font string? or the frame itself? |
| 21:16.29 | Dreagar | cause those are the only two things left. |
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| 21:17.35 | Fisker- | nice |
| 21:17.43 | Fisker- | the EU cm's are deleting topics about athene |
| 21:17.48 | Fisker- | or mods atleast |
| 21:17.51 | Shirik | athene? |
| 21:18.01 | Dreagar | and i looked thru Cartographers look and feel to see if there was something conflicting, and didn't see anything glaring. |
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| 21:18.28 | zenzelezz | I second Shirik's question |
| 21:18.39 | dylanm | Some paladin. |
| 21:18.47 | dylanm | http://athene.movielol.org |
| 21:19.47 | Dreagar | obviously if i hide the frame, it works. but with all the buttons hid, it still don't work.which leaves the font strings. i'll hide those too. what the hell. |
| 21:19.50 | dylanm | Trying to find the thread... |
| 21:20.57 | dylanm | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3190960705&postId=31902042058&sid=1#0 |
| 21:20.58 | dylanm | Yesss. |
| 21:21.52 | Lopeppeppy | "Real men don't rush." |
| 21:22.20 | amro | powerlevelling a pally makes you a masochist |
| 21:22.29 | dylanm | It was a druid actually. |
| 21:22.45 | Fisker- | and he was obviously getting boosted by high levels in instances |
| 21:22.48 | dylanm | http://athene.movielol.org/proof.jpg |
| 21:23.33 | Fisker- | he should be banned for wasting the GM's time |
| 21:23.43 | Josh_Borke | whoopdiedoo |
| 21:23.58 | Josh_Borke | he got to 70 in record time |
| 21:24.00 | Josh_Borke | who cares? |
| 21:24.13 | Fisker- | wasn't a record |
| 21:24.16 | Fisker- | The other records are solo |
| 21:24.19 | Fisker- | he isn't doing it solo |
| 21:25.49 | Dreagar | OK, so i Hid every item on the frame, and it still causes issues, so it's the frame itself. disable the mouse? |
| 21:26.02 | Josh_Borke | dreagar: what's going on? |
| 21:26.56 | Antiarc | Cairenn: Pong |
| 21:27.01 | Dreagar | well, when i have my addon open, and Cartographer's Look And Feel module loaded, u can't change maps. close my mod, or turn off the look and feel module, and u can change maps fine |
| 21:27.33 | Josh_Borke | oh, inter-mod conflicts are your deal, sorry :-D |
| 21:27.35 | amro | what makes a server 'hard'? |
| 21:27.36 | Dreagar | mental said to try hiding the buttons on my addon, i hid those and everything else on the main frame, and still the issue occurs, can't change maps. |
| 21:28.01 | sacarasc | amro: sexy pictures of other servers |
| 21:28.11 | Dreagar | so i'm sure the issue the main frame itself, i think mental said to disable the mouse, so i'm gonna give that a whirl. |
| 21:28.12 | MentalPower | ~lart sacarasc |
| 21:28.12 | purl | beats sacarasc over the head with a microkernel |
| 21:28.33 | Fisker- | amro obviously nothing when he's just been boosted in an instance |
| 21:28.35 | Dreagar | amro: Servers with tattoo's and peircings? That don't take 'no' for an answer? |
| 21:28.52 | Fisker- | also pvp servers are supposedly harder because you can gets GANKZORED |
| 21:29.08 | amro | which is irrelevant since he was instancing all along |
| 21:29.12 | Fisker- | yes |
| 21:30.08 | Shirik | ok, finally |
| 21:30.10 | Shirik | the first real test |
| 21:30.18 | Shirik | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no nuSmv in java.library.path |
| 21:30.20 | Shirik | :< |
| 21:30.42 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Shirik |
| 21:30.42 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack Shirik |
| 21:32.53 | Dreagar | damn, no good. any other ideas mental? |
| 21:33.14 | |pez| | which way does she spin? http://www.where-what-how-why.com/?p=111 |
| 21:33.45 | Dreagar | i've tried toplevel=false, setstrata("LOW") setLevel("LOW") |
| 21:33.50 | Dreagar | all no good |
| 21:34.07 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:34.10 | Shirik | Netbeans deleted my dll |
| 21:35.29 | Dreagar | don't suppose ckknight is around? |
| 21:36.04 | Shirik | wheeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:36.06 | Shirik | # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x6d93b436, pid=4928, tid=5292 |
| 21:36.06 | Shirik | # |
| 21:36.06 | Shirik | # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.6.0_02-b06 mixed mode, sharing) |
| 21:36.11 | Shirik | I knew I could do it |
| 21:36.20 | Dreagar | good job |
| 21:36.23 | amro | |pez|: counterclockwise |
| 21:36.36 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 21:36.37 | ckknight | I dunno, Dreagar, he's a bit of a shady character |
| 21:36.41 | Shirik | this crash is in jvm.dll |
| 21:36.43 | Shirik | not in my dll |
| 21:36.46 | Shirik | how the hell do I debug this >< |
| 21:37.55 | ckknight | |pez|: clockwise |
| 21:38.08 | ckknight | I don't see how she could be spinning counter-clockwise |
| 21:38.12 | ckknight | odd |
| 21:38.47 | Dreagar | ck! i could use a bit of help with cart issue. :) |
| 21:39.04 | Dreagar | well it's my addon's issue not carts. |
| 21:39.21 | Dreagar | but if you have any ideas i'd be much obliged. :) |
| 21:39.25 | ckknight | okay |
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| 21:40.03 | amro | weird, now she's going clockwise |
| 21:40.11 | Dreagar | You see. when look and feel is loading for cartographer, and my mods main frame MM_Frame is open, i can't click the map to change maps. in fact, can't click anything having to do with the map at all. |
| 21:40.35 | ckknight | okay |
| 21:40.47 | ckknight | becausee it's mouse-enabled and stopping the click of the map |
| 21:40.50 | Dreagar | If i turn off Look and Feel, or close my mod, it works fine. I've hidden all widgets on my mod, except for MM_Frame itself, and it still happens. I've tried lowering the strata and/or level and still happens. |
| 21:41.10 | Dreagar | i've gone into the xml and said for MM_Frame enableMouse="false". |
| 21:41.12 | Dreagar | and still. :( |
| 21:41.20 | ckknight | nah, that shouldn't be |
| 21:41.27 | Dreagar | but it's still setup as moveable, and resizeable. |
| 21:41.45 | ckknight | check MM_Frame:GetMouseEnabled() |
| 21:41.50 | Dreagar | kk |
| 21:41.53 | ckknight | just do /print MM_Frame:GetMouseEnabled() |
| 21:41.58 | ckknight | could be :IsMouseEnabled() |
| 21:41.59 | ckknight | one of those |
| 21:44.10 | Dreagar | IsMouseEnabled returned 1. |
| 21:44.16 | Dreagar | i'm going to assume that's true |
| 21:44.19 | ckknight | yes |
| 21:44.23 | Dreagar | since it's not in the API. |
| 21:45.11 | Dreagar | hm. how do i turn it off then? i thought enableMouse int he xml was the way. |
| 21:45.12 | ckknight | yea, that should be nil, not 1 |
| 21:45.17 | ckknight | :SetMouseEnabled |
| 21:45.23 | Dreagar | check. |
| 21:45.31 | ckknight | I hate using XML |
| 21:45.37 | Dreagar | didn't see tha in the api. lol |
| 21:45.38 | ckknight | I create my frames in lua |
| 21:45.54 | ckknight | it's all in http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 21:46.26 | Antiarc | Is the PTR down? |
| 21:48.01 | Dreagar | ahh Frame:EnableMouse |
| 21:48.02 | Antiarc | Nevermind, I had Peer Guardian up >_> |
| 21:48.19 | kd3 | nah, it's up. |
| 21:48.39 | Antiarc | Yeah, PG blocks the Blizzard servers for some reason |
| 21:49.09 | ckknight | Dreagar: that's it |
| 21:49.13 | ckknight | :EnableMouse(false) |
| 21:49.29 | kd3 | oh, omen bug/suggestion: when I hide the modules window button bar, I can't drag the frame to the bottom of the screen. the clamp mechanism pretends the buttons are still visible. can that get changed? |
| 21:49.46 | Antiarc | Oho, okay. Yeah, I'll change that. |
| 21:49.58 | Antiarc | It's all on an invisible "container" frame. I just need to resize that, I guess. |
| 21:50.19 | Antiarc | I can probably just unclamp the container and clamp the individual frames. That should hopefully fix it. |
| 21:51.20 | Dreagar | argh, no joy. i can move the frame no longer, and it's not mouse enabled, but still can't change the map. even rehid all the buttons/fontstrings to check, and still can't change the map. :( |
| 21:51.36 | Dreagar | hide MM_Frame and it works fine tho. :( |
| 21:51.53 | ckknight | Dreagar: mouseover somewhere where you should click and type /print GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 21:53.01 | Dreagar | WorldMapButton |
| 21:53.14 | Shirik | omg this is crazy |
| 21:53.24 | Shirik | I have 3 debuggers attached to the same application >< |
| 21:53.35 | Shirik | memory debugger, visual studio tracing the DLL, and Netbeans tracing the Java |
| 21:53.38 | Shirik | my head is about to explode |
| 21:53.40 | Dreagar | could i just hide my mod when the map comes up? is there an event i can watch for that tells me when the map opens and clsoes? |
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| 21:57.04 | MentalPower | any video format that supports transparency? |
| 21:57.29 | ckknight | Dreagar: yea, I think there is an event |
| 21:57.44 | Dreagar | re enabled everything, and did that, and it gives me WorldMapButton, which is as it should be correct? |
| 21:59.10 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Office 2008 for OS X now my office apps loo the same on both plaforms. |
| 21:59.35 | Dreagar | hmm. i see CLOSE_WORLD_MAP.. but nothing for open? |
| 22:00.10 | ckknight | there probably is an OPEN_WORLD_MAP or something |
| 22:01.11 | ckknight | in any event, I have to go back to work |
| 22:01.20 | Dreagar | i'm searchin now, i need a break tho. been beatin my head against this for the whole day. thanks ck. :) |
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| 22:14.19 | amro | can anyone vouch for the authenticity of this site? https://gamersloot.net |
| 22:15.20 | Dreagar | WORLD_MAP_UPDATE does this fire when the worldmap is opened? |
| 22:16.15 | Dreagar | ahh i suppose i can figure it out. |
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| 22:20.59 | p3lim | Dreagar: wowwiki: Fired when the world map should be updated. When entering a battleground, this event won't fire until the zone is changed (i.e. in WSG when you walk outside of Warsong Lumber Mill or Silverwing Hold |
| 22:21.26 | p3lim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_%28Full_List%29 |
| 22:22.41 | Dreagar | Right, i cuaght all that. Doesn't say if it's fired when the map opens tho, and i dont see any other events that are fired when the map is opened, only closed. such is why i asked, but i'm captureing the events and printing out a chat message when it fires to find out. :) |
| 22:23.52 | Dreagar | omg, it's fired over and over from the time i logon. :( lame. |
| 22:24.10 | Dreagar | anyone know if there is an event that fires when opening the world map? |
| 22:26.55 | MentalPower | Esamynn: ^^^^ |
| 22:28.05 | Esamynn | Dreagar: it will be fired when the world map is opened because the worldmap UI code calls SetMapToCurrentZone() |
| 22:28.31 | Esamynn | WORLD_MAP_UPDATE firing does not always mean that the zoom has actually changed |
| 22:28.42 | Esamynn | just that something called an API function that CAN change the zoom |
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| 22:28.53 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | "I keep thinking he's lost his senses" - Cide |
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| 22:29.07 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 22:29.34 | p3lim | anyone know the slashcommand for the built in "stress-test" for taxi? |
| 22:29.34 | zenzelezz | that must be the closest I've been to getting in the topic |
| 22:29.45 | JoshBorke | p3lim: timetest |
| 22:29.48 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.58 | JoshBorke | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.26 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.3.x ToC: 20300 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | "so gnomes *are* particularly kinky" - zenzelezz |
| 22:30.40 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 22:30.47 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:31.46 | Dreagar | sweet. figured it out. :) |
| 22:31.47 | p3lim | thanks lads |
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| 22:32.24 | Cairenn | hey Lopeppeppy :) |
| 22:32.26 | Duman | hi, peppy |
| 22:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | Hello again! |
| 22:32.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, smooth! |
| 22:33.18 | p3lim | Yeah, /timetest, anyone know what event/function it triggers? |
| 22:34.06 | MentalPower | ChatFrame.lua for the slash commands listing |
| 22:36.39 | Dreagar | argh, of course CLOSE_WORLD_MAP isn't fired when i close the world map. wtf. |
| 22:38.39 | Esamynn | afaik CLOSE_WORLD_MAP hasn't been an active event for a long time |
| 22:38.44 | MentalPower | p3lim: http://wdnaddons.com/0408049/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua <--Line 1714 |
| 22:39.06 | p3lim | yah found it |
| 22:39.07 | p3lim | http://p3lim.pastey.net/83734 |
| 22:39.18 | p3lim | :) |
| 22:39.21 | Esamynn | also WORLD_MAP_UPDATE firing doesn't mean the world map is open, I simply said that the world map opening causes WORLD_MAP_UPDATE to fire |
| 22:39.33 | Dreagar | ha ha! |
| 22:39.38 | Dreagar | i figured it out! |
| 22:39.48 | Esamynn | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:40.05 | Dreagar | if event == "WORLD_MAP_UPDATE" and WorldMapButton:IsVisible then |
| 22:40.06 | Dreagar | :) |
| 22:40.21 | p3lim | that way my fps is not under such a load while flying anymore :) |
| 22:40.23 | Dreagar | clsoe my mod when the map opens, and reopen it when the map is closed. and i got it. |
| 22:40.48 | Esamynn | why not just parent it to UIParent? |
| 22:40.54 | p3lim | actually Dreagar i knew that, cause i already have it in one of my addons |
| 22:41.02 | p3lim | just didnt see where you were going |
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| 22:51.29 | p3lim | TAXIMAP_OPENED doesnt work :/ |
| 22:54.09 | Kaso | p3lim hook the frame's onShow ? |
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| 22:54.28 | p3lim | yeah could work |
| 22:55.09 | Polarina | p3lim: frame:HookScript("OnShow", function (self) self:Hide() end) |
| 22:55.28 | p3lim | huh |
| 22:55.31 | p3lim | im adding SetTaxiBenchmarkMode() |
| 22:58.05 | kd3 | damn it... can't get on top of the lumber mill at sentinel hill any more |
| 22:59.37 | Polarina | kd3: /console gmmode /console port 0.572387 0.689124 |
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| 23:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 23:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | They've started background downloading 2.4 |
| 23:06.51 | Lopeppeppy | Huh, |
| 23:07.36 | zenzelezz | for some reason I keep getting two kinds of spam... enlargement, and fake watches |
| 23:08.01 | Shirik | fake watches? |
| 23:08.20 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 23:08.24 | Lopeppeppy | Enlarge them! |
| 23:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 23:08.34 | zenzelezz | sorry, "fake \Vatch3s" |
| 23:08.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:09.38 | Shirik | ok, there's this guy in ##c++ and I have been trying to help him with a problem for over an hour now |
| 23:09.43 | Shirik | and I still have no clue what his problem is |
| 23:10.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Downloading "WoW-2.3.3.7799-to-2.4.0.enUS-patch"... |
| 23:10.34 | kd3 | heh. was wondering how long it'd take for them to start the BGD |
| 23:10.38 | zenzelezz | Shirik: did you actually type two '#'s in the channel name, or is there something borked about my chat client? |
| 23:10.57 | MentalPower | some channels have two ## |
| 23:10.58 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Two #'s. |
| 23:11.05 | MentalPower | ##PHP comes to mind |
| 23:11.08 | zenzelezz | why do people keep using two of those? |
| 23:11.13 | Polarina | zenzelezz: These are topical channels, if I recall correctly. |
| 23:11.17 | MentalPower | aye |
| 23:11.18 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Freenode policy. |
| 23:11.20 | zenzelezz | and hey, Polarina's back :-o |
| 23:11.22 | Shirik | it's unofficial |
| 23:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | On freenode, it means that you are an "about" channel |
| 23:11.32 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 23:11.37 | zenzelezz | thanks, didn't know that |
| 23:11.39 | Shirik | basically it says it isn't sponsored by the creators of C++ |
| 23:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. Unofficial, "about" |
| 23:12.36 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 23:13.06 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, purr. |
| 23:13.47 | Shirik | magical zenzelezz turns puppies into kittens |
| 23:13.56 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 23:14.09 | zenzelezz | IT'S CAT NOW! |
| 23:14.21 | zenzelezz | </simpsons> |
| 23:14.25 | Shirik | ~kitten |
| 23:14.26 | purl | hmm... kitten is one hawt linux babe, or ! |
| 23:14.30 | Shirik | ?? |
| 23:14.31 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 23:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: don't question the wisdom of purl |
| 23:15.02 | zenzelezz | ~wisdom |
| 23:15.05 | GrimNotepad | O.O |
| 23:15.13 | Shirik | purl has no wisdom |
| 23:15.24 | MentalPower | ~factinfo kitten |
| 23:15.24 | purl | kitten -- created by Kitten <Kyt@pool-209.138.112.111-mmph.grid.net> at Sat Sep 16 23:20:23 2000 (2733 days); last modified at Sat Sep 16 23:20:51 2000 by Dazman!daz@host62-7-97-13.btinternet.com; it has been requested 7 times, last by Shirik, 58s ago. |
| 23:15.30 | zenzelezz | ~blessing of wisdom |
| 23:16.07 | batrick | ~stfu |
| 23:16.07 | purl | :( |
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| 23:16.19 | batrick | ~echo hi |
| 23:16.19 | purl | hi |
| 23:16.23 | Shirik | purl, say batbot: am I greater than you? |
| 23:16.24 | purl | batbot: am I greater than you |
| 23:16.31 | Shirik | purl, say batbot: am I greater than you \? |
| 23:16.31 | purl | batbot: am I greater than you \ |
| 23:16.31 | zenzelezz | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 23:16.32 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 23:16.41 | Shirik | wow that scared me |
| 23:16.50 | Shirik | I thought it was some anti-spam |
| 23:17.01 | zenzelezz | nah, that's courtesy of malreth |
| 23:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought it was Riker taking control of it for a second, haha |
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| 23:20.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I am so glad that blizzard has decent HTTP patch mirrors now |
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| 23:21.25 | kd3 | bah. the tracker isn't letting me download any data for the bgd torrent |
| 23:21.30 | batrick | purl: say --> print(ret) |
| 23:21.31 | purl | --> print(ret) |
| 23:21.31 | batbot | purl: say --> i=i+1 print(ret, i) |
| 23:21.32 | purl | --> i=i+1 print(ret, i) |
| 23:21.32 | kd3 | 0 seeds, 1 peer |
| 23:21.32 | batbot | purl: say --> i=i+1 print(ret, i) 2 |
| 23:21.33 | purl | --> i=i+1 print(ret, i) 2 |
| 23:21.33 | batbot | purl: @ [string " i=i+1 print(ret, i) 2"]:1: unexpected symbol near '2' |
| 23:21.38 | batrick | ah :( |
| 23:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: really, just check off the P2P transfer and let it do its thing. 32kB/sec is fine, considering that we're still a few eeks out |
| 23:22.42 | kd3 | gah. meant to include "in azureus" there |
| 23:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I figured ;) |
| 23:22.51 | zenzelezz | are we? Were Cairenn's birds wrong? |
| 23:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Her birds? |
| 23:23.11 | zenzelezz | her birds were saying "pretty soon" |
| 23:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI is still somewhat of a mess. Well, I should test that before I say that. |
| 23:24.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge danielsweden24 (n=danielsw@c213-89-223-154.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:25.23 | Shirik | hahaha I love the comments in the Wikipedia history for Linus Torvalds |
| 23:25.55 | Shirik | "Adjusted picture" "Undid revision 181693288 by Some Person (talk) He is not symmetrical:" |
| 23:26.01 | Shirik | someone decided to flip the picture |
| 23:26.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:26.11 | Shirik | people have way too much time on their hands |
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| 23:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the word on Sunwell testing? |
| 23:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Largely complete, or what? |
| 23:28.33 | kd3 | it's been closed for 4-5 days |
| 23:28.45 | kd3 | twins still needs testing iirc, m'uru's still vastly overtuned |
| 23:28.49 | kd3 | no one's touched KJ |
| 23:29.05 | ScytheBlade1 | So they still have some time testing that at least |
| 23:29.18 | Kaso | Shirik, im so confused |
| 23:29.23 | Shirik | good |
| 23:29.26 | Shirik | my work is complete |
| 23:29.54 | Kaso | Why would anyone do that |
| 23:30.05 | Kaso | And why would they put a comment begging not to remove it |
| 23:30.05 | Shirik | what, flip torvalds? |
| 23:30.05 | MentalPower | http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/WoW-2.3.3.7799-x86-Win-enUS-BKGND2 <--Interesting PeerID for the HTTP seed |
| 23:30.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I've already played with that |
| 23:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's actually nothing new |
| 23:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's their "bittorrent-over-HTTP" contraption |
| 23:31.01 | Shirik | yeah I've seen that before |
| 23:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Every block in a torrent is represented as a unique file over HTTP |
| 23:31.14 | Kaso | yes Shirik |
| 23:31.14 | kd3 | it's part of the akamai cdn iirc |
| 23:31.27 | Shirik | Kaso: I have no idea :P |
| 23:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The headers you have to send to make the download work are "fun" though |
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| 23:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | They look simple |
| 23:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | But it should be noted that it's a bit more complex than initially meets the eye |
| 23:37.10 | ScytheBlade1 | With that said, it would theoretically be possible to write a bash script downloader, that would download all of the chunks in parallel and assemble them properly |
| 23:41.12 | Shirik | kaboom |
| 23:41.17 | Shirik | JVM death #2 |
| 23:41.21 | Shirik | I should stab it some more |
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| 23:43.49 | Esamynn | Shirik: JVM death? |
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| 23:44.17 | Shirik | # An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment: |
| 23:44.17 | Shirik | # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x7798b950, pid=6156, tid=6356 |
| 23:44.17 | Shirik | # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.6.0_02-b06 mixed mode) |
| 23:44.54 | Shirik | though I know why that happened, stupid mistake |
| 23:45.49 | Esamynn | fun |
| 23:46.57 | Shirik | JVM is so picky |
| 23:46.58 | Shirik | really |
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| 23:47.17 | Shirik | it's like "oh gods one tiny thing is wrong time to give up" |
| 23:47.32 | Shirik | instead of throwing an exception or something it's like "oh screw this" |
| 23:49.38 | Kaso | Shirik, you're pretty knowledgable with java right? |
| 23:50.07 | Shirik | I try to be |
| 23:50.53 | Kaso | Know much about awt and painting and whatnot |
| 23:51.21 | Shirik | how much I hate it, but yes |
| 23:51.52 | Kaso | basically ive got a 2D JPanel which im painting a map to using graphics2D, do you recon it'd be possible for me to take that 2D Map and rotate it as if it were on a 3D plane. |
| 23:52.42 | Shirik | hm |
| 23:52.58 | Shirik | is it possible? Most definitely |
| 23:53.05 | Shirik | the question becomes how much of the work you have to do yourself |
| 23:53.38 | Shirik | are you looking at using the 3D api? |
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| 23:55.11 | art3mis | http://avn.com/index.cfm?objectid=A3F13BBC-FE3C-759D-3668FCD478D48085 <--ads maynot be sfw article is |
| 23:56.03 | art3mis | http://www.break.com/index/death-metal-puppy.html |
| 23:56.24 | Shirik | Kaso: You may look into using javax.media.j3d.J3DGraphics2D |
| 23:56.34 | Shirik | But I don't have much experience with Java's 3D api unfortunately |
| 23:56.53 | Kaso | isnt the Java3d a third party addon now? |
| 23:57.11 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:57.22 | Kaso | i couldnt really rely on it being installable |
| 23:57.41 | Kaso | I was considering how complicated the calculations would be to correctly offset my line drawing myself. |
| 23:58.01 | Shirik | yeah that's what I was debating in my head when I said "the question becomes how much of the work you have to do yourself" |
| 23:58.24 | Shirik | if it's just a bunch of lines it shouldn't be too incredibly difficult |
| 23:58.33 | Shirik | it's just a 3d projection onto a 2d plane |
| 23:58.39 | Kaso | i just really dont know where to start looking |
| 23:59.13 | Shirik | how would you be distributing your program, btw? |
| 23:59.37 | Shirik | because you can just do like what I did with the wowi updater and package the library's jar along with your distributed program |
| 23:59.43 | Shirik | there's not really anything to "install" |
| 23:59.58 | Kaso | Its a uni coursework project, so not really being distributed, but it has to really work on plain VM |
