| 00:00.49 | batrick | " Mind Vision will not currently work in Arenas with patch 2.4.0. We are working on a technical fix for this in the meantime." |
| 00:00.52 | batrick | hahaha |
| 00:00.59 | batrick | you could so abuse that in the "real world" |
| 00:00.59 | Guillotine | ooo, I know why |
| 00:01.02 | Guillotine | too bad |
| 00:01.05 | batrick | go find a mage leveling |
| 00:01.14 | batrick | and stand on far as hell away and spam mind vision |
| 00:01.38 | Guillotine | Does that work in the real world? I've only done it in arenas |
| 00:01.42 | batrick | (That was in response to: [Bug] Mind Vision Cancels Drinking ) |
| 00:01.47 | batrick | o then maybe not |
| 00:01.53 | batrick | i don't play i just found it funny |
| 00:01.59 | Guillotine | it might work in the real world, I dunno. Just haven't tried it |
| 00:03.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember when spinning your character made mind vision's camera spin |
| 00:03.39 | Guillotine | So my college has a room with a ton of televisions at desks so that people can watch videos for class. I decided to try my universal remote. Turns out they took the remotes out of the room for a reason |
| 00:03.45 | Guillotine | I was lucky only one person was using them |
| 00:04.21 | WobWork | why can't they just do their balancing for arenas only? =P |
| 00:04.39 | WobWork | "Firetotem will cause a MS effect in Arenas" |
| 00:04.48 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:04.54 | Guillotine | its not overpowered at all anywhere else though |
| 00:05.10 | WobWork | That would make the rest of us much happier at not getting stupid rebalancing we don't nede |
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| 00:07.03 | Jumpee | Is anybody using SciTE with Lua 5.1 support? |
| 00:07.38 | Guillotine | I do |
| 00:08.06 | Guillotine | just use the old Scite and change the Lua config file to access the 5.1 binaries |
| 00:08.58 | Jumpee | I copied the 5.1 files but I keep getting "system could not fine the file", or something like that |
| 00:09.02 | kd3 | whee rollbacks |
| 00:09.15 | kd3 | was in terokkar, logged in on the isle of quel'danas |
| 00:09.26 | Jumpee | you mean the lus properties file? |
| 00:09.31 | Jumpee | lua* |
| 00:09.59 | Guillotine | yes |
| 00:10.35 | Jumpee | I looked at that file but could not figure out how to change it. |
| 00:11.48 | Jumpee | it's gobledy gook to me |
| 00:12.20 | Guillotine | actually, are you using a normal SciTe, or the one clad made specially for WoW? |
| 00:12.29 | Guillotine | well, updated for WoW |
| 00:12.48 | Guillotine | You don't have to do anything if you just use that one |
| 00:13.54 | cog|work | kd3: world of walmart? |
| 00:14.00 | Jumpee | I am using clad's version, I download the 5.1 from the binaries |
| 00:14.31 | Jumpee | that version won't handle ... elipses(sp?) |
| 00:14.31 | batbot | Jumpee, eclipses, elapses, ellipses. |
| 00:15.50 | Jumpee | Clad's version won't handle Lua 5.1, as to the use of ellipses. |
| 00:16.00 | zenzelezz | index(sp?) |
| 00:16.00 | batbot | zenzelezz, index is correct. |
| 00:16.08 | zenzelezz | interesting feature |
| 00:16.14 | Jumpee | nice |
| 00:17.28 | Guillotine | Jumpee: ellipses work fine for me in that version |
| 00:17.42 | Guillotine | and I haven't manually edited anything on this computer |
| 00:18.16 | Jumpee | hmmm, I get an error when I have something like a, b, c = ... |
| 00:18.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Jumpee: You have to replace luac |
| 00:18.39 | Jumpee | C:\SciTE\bin\lua.exe: MyTest.lua:21: unexpected symbol near `...' |
| 00:18.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Look for a "bin" folder in the SciTE folder |
| 00:18.49 | Shirik|Ecole | replace it with the latest version |
| 00:18.51 | Jumpee | I did replace lua and luac |
| 00:18.57 | Shirik|Ecole | then you didn't replace it correctly |
| 00:19.03 | Shirik|Ecole | because that's all SciTE uses |
| 00:19.13 | Shirik|Ecole | if you're getting that error, then luac is reporting an error |
| 00:19.20 | Shirik|Ecole | and the only reason luac would report an error is because it is not 5.1 |
| 00:21.09 | Jumpee | I unzipped lua5_1_1_Win32_bin.zip, and copied over lua5.1.exe and luac5.1.exe into bin, renamed them to remove the 5.1 |
| 00:22.24 | Jumpee | and moved lua5.1.dll inot bin without renaming |
| 00:22.34 | Jumpee | inot = into |
| 00:23.03 | AnduinLothar | fail: |
| 00:23.04 | AnduinLothar | [You] Crusader Strike Crit [Aether Ray] *1723* |
| 00:23.04 | AnduinLothar | [You] Melee Crit [Aether Ray] *1415* |
| 00:23.04 | AnduinLothar | [You] Seal of Command Crit [Aether Ray] *1968* |
| 00:23.21 | kd3 | geez |
| 00:23.23 | AnduinLothar | why doesn't that happen in pvp |
| 00:23.52 | kamdis | because you don't fight aether rays in pvp? |
| 00:23.57 | kamdis | :P |
| 00:24.01 | Jumpee | lol |
| 00:24.05 | AnduinLothar | god damn rays always die |
| 00:24.24 | kamdis | i'm sure if you fought me in pvp you'd see more impressive numbers than that. |
| 00:24.39 | kamdis | Come to Whirlwind where Kamdis gives free honor in AV. |
| 00:25.00 | Shirik|Ecole | AnduinLothar: Go roll a priest |
| 00:25.01 | Jumpee | maybe my version of clad's scite is older than what is available now |
| 00:25.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I hit them for about 500 |
| 00:25.11 | Shirik|Ecole | makes those dailies so easy |
| 00:25.33 | Jumpee | I'll dl it now |
| 00:27.25 | End | AnduinLothar: resilience? ;-p |
| 00:28.13 | AnduinLothar | resil ftl |
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| 00:49.22 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: ping |
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| 01:08.05 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: pong |
| 01:11.52 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: we can't copy string references |
| 01:12.11 | batrick | because of str1==str2 |
| 01:12.35 | Shirik|Ecole | that is an affirmative, good sir |
| 01:12.54 | Shirik|Ecole | we'll just have to copy the string |
| 01:12.56 | batrick | I finished the kernel queue structure |
| 01:12.58 | Shirik|Ecole | now that I think about it, it's not a big deal |
| 01:13.00 | foxlit | batrick: s/because of/but you get/ |
| 01:13.13 | batrick | I already finished most of that |
| 01:13.20 | batrick | I didn't do tables, but I did functions and strings |
| 01:13.25 | Shirik|Ecole | foxlit: No, actually the problem is that if you do that, you DON'T get that |
| 01:13.26 | batrick | I haven't tested it yet though |
| 01:14.00 | foxlit | Overload ==, no reason not to |
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| 01:14.16 | batrick | you can't overload == for strings in Lua |
| 01:14.19 | Shirik|Ecole | then it would have to be a userdata |
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| 01:14.27 | batrick | foxlit: you can't overload == for strings in Lua |
| 01:14.59 | batrick | also full userdata are treated as light user data for now |
| 01:15.12 | foxlit | batrick: I'm aware of that |
| 01:15.19 | batrick | then why do you suggest it |
| 01:15.38 | foxlit | Because you can _modify_ lua to support both string-by-reference and overloaded == comparisons |
| 01:15.52 | foxlit | The two ideas are not that dramatically opposed. |
| 01:15.57 | batrick | we are not modifying lua core |
| 01:17.35 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: I figure we should do a check when a thread calls any of our functions that allow us to remove any dead references at that point |
| 01:17.42 | batrick | kinda like check_GC() in Lua |
| 01:18.08 | Shirik|Ecole | can't we just handle it during __gc? |
| 01:18.19 | Shirik|Ecole | or are you talking for strings |
| 01:19.12 | batrick | no, when a state with a copy of another states object is done, we'll know via a userdata __gc so we can lower the reference count |
| 01:19.39 | batrick | but we can only remove the dead reference if the source state calls our library |
| 01:20.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't understand the problem |
| 01:21.29 | batrick | ok |
| 01:21.49 | batrick | thread 1 puts in thread 2's queue function 0xffff |
| 01:22.07 | batrick | we save that function to thread 1's registry so its never colelcted |
| 01:23.05 | batrick | thread 2 gets the value, it is put in thread 2's registry with the value of some userdata with a __gc method |
| 01:23.25 | batrick | so when thread 2 is done, the __gc method is called and we decrement the reference count the kernel maintains |
| 01:24.06 | batrick | then thread 1 calls our library sometime later, we check if there are any values being held with no references left (ref count of 0) and delete it from thread 1's registry before doing what they asked to begin with |
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| 01:24.37 | batrick | we can't do this once the count is 0 immediately because thread 1 might be modifying all sorts of things and we can't insure consistency in its state |
| 01:25.22 | Lopeppeppy | .... station |
| 01:25.58 | Lunessa | ...STATION! |
| 01:26.04 | WobWork | http://flickr.com/photos/anotherthessalian/2305674047/in/pool-songchart |
| 01:26.15 | Shirik|Ecole | ok batrick |
| 01:26.20 | Shirik|Ecole | (20:24:34) (batrick) we can't do this once the count is 0 immediately because thread 1 might be modifying all sorts of things and we can't insure consistency in its state |
| 01:26.23 | Shirik|Ecole | that's the part I needed |
| 01:26.32 | batrick | sorry I wanted to be clear :P |
| 01:27.09 | Lopeppeppy | WobWork, you're mean. |
| 01:28.57 | WobWork | http://flickr.com/groups/songchart/pool/ |
| 01:29.02 | WobWork | is full of some good ones =) |
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| 01:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Deadlykris (forum MVP) did that to me the other day |
| 01:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | And then logged out |
| 01:32.51 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | Gnomish MVP's rule. |
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| 01:34.05 | Shirik|Ecole | !google LM124 |
| 01:34.06 | Lunessa | especially if they have cookies |
| 01:34.06 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: LM124 - Low Power Quad Operational Amplifier <http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM124.html> |
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| 02:05.31 | batrick | man |
| 02:05.36 | batrick | the todo list for this is growing fast |
| 02:05.38 | batrick | lolz |
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| 02:14.17 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: I'm going to stop working on it for now until you get a chance to look at some of the stuff I've done |
| 02:14.29 | Shirik|Ecole | sounds good |
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| 02:42.46 | kd3 | heh... they brought up the raid earlier today, now they're bringing it back down |
| 02:42.54 | kd3 | guess the complaints about the gauntlet finally got heard |
| 02:43.01 | kd3 | s/raid/sunwell plateau/ |
| 02:43.31 | Gnarfoz | kd3: see #wowhead ;) |
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| 02:45.42 | Shirik|Ecole | o.o |
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| 02:46.51 | Cairenn | he's asleep at the keys, literally on them - he just got kicked from another channel, so of course it bumps to whatever channel is next on the top of his list |
| 02:47.02 | Shirik|Ecole | haha |
| 02:47.14 | WobWork | rofl |
| 02:47.21 | WobWork | poor nech =) |
| 02:47.22 | Sixen | ~seen Duman |
| 02:47.26 | purl | duman is currently on #wowi-lounge, last said: 'those should never break, at least :)'. |
| 02:47.32 | Sixen | Sheesh. |
| 02:47.38 | Sixen | Has been idle for like a day, :/. |
| 02:47.58 | Fin | what... on IRC?! |
| 02:47.59 | Fin | no! |
| 02:48.03 | Sixen | :) |
| 02:48.07 | Fin | :) |
| 02:48.16 | Cairenn | nowai! |
| 02:48.36 | Shaktar | apparently irc is as good as sleeping pills |
| 02:48.44 | Fin | hah |
| 02:48.53 | Fin | I mean hazzzzz |
| 02:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | I should IRC a lot more then, I sleep for crap |
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| 02:51.39 | Sixen | Lawl@Fin. |
| 02:51.47 | Sixen | Brb. |
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| 03:40.36 | Shirik|zZz | ok... seriously? |
| 03:40.47 | Shirik|zZz | I didn't get home in time, we had already done 7 arena games so we needed to do the other 3 |
| 03:40.56 | Shirik|zZz | somehow they managed to lose 51 points in those 3 games |
| 03:40.59 | Shirik|zZz | ... how. |
| 03:41.02 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. |
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| 03:44.05 | Shirik | !ap 1587 |
| 03:44.05 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1587 is, 2v2: 340, 3v3: 394, 5v5: 448 |
| 03:44.07 | Shirik | !ap 1612 |
| 03:44.07 | WoWLuaircBot | Sorry Shirik, you must wait 1 seconds before making another request. |
| 03:44.10 | Shirik | die |
| 03:44.12 | Shirik | !ap 1612 |
| 03:44.12 | WoWLuaircBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1612 is, 2v2: 365, 3v3: 423, 5v5: 481 |
| 03:45.19 | haste | that's a really stupid spam protection |
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| 03:57.52 | batrick | hmm |
| 03:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | hmm. |
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| 03:58.07 | batrick | I bet you could crash WoWLuaircBot doing that |
| 03:58.30 | batrick | err, cause the server to kick him |
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| 04:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Prat was causing blocked actions when I manually typed out /target personX |
| 04:27.30 | WobWork | I totally want to start a 5 feral druid arena team called "Voltron" |
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| 05:14.19 | fromatz | anyone know why when i register two events, only one ever works? |
| 05:15.50 | MentalPower | you sure the other one fires? |
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| 05:16.56 | fromatz | i have update bf status and addon loaded |
| 05:17.03 | fromatz | if i just register one, it fires fine |
| 05:17.14 | fromatz | but if i add a second, the first one quits firing |
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| 05:20.05 | MentalPower | fromatz: code |
| 05:22.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | what build is the ptr on? |
| 05:24.17 | fromatz | ok |
| 05:25.09 | fromatz | http://wowi.pastey.net/83321 |
| 05:25.32 | fromatz | right now, addon_loaded fires, im waiting in queue to test out the update battlefield status |
| 05:30.20 | fromatz | oh maybe someone can give me some advice on this |
| 05:30.41 | fromatz | im looking to reset my saved variables each time a player logs on and i was wondering the best way to go about this |
| 05:30.56 | Gngsk | huh? |
| 05:31.05 | Gngsk | what's the point in SV if you're just going to clear 'em? |
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| 05:31.18 | fromatz | im tracking bg info for a session |
| 05:31.32 | fromatz | once i parse that information i no longer need it |
| 05:31.41 | Gngsk | so you don't need SV? |
| 05:32.09 | fromatz | well i would need sv to store the data initially wouldnt i? |
| 05:32.21 | Gngsk | nah, just slap it in a table |
| 05:32.41 | Gngsk | basically all SV is but it gets written to a file when you RL/logout |
| 05:33.02 | fromatz | yeah i would like my data written to a file still |
| 05:33.11 | art3mis | what do i care it's not like it effects america |
| 05:33.16 | art3mis | america is part of the world |
| 05:33.22 | art3mis | wow, i have been gone a long time |
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| 05:37.54 | WobWork | fromatz: you can replace "_, _, alliancescore, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _ = GetWorldStateUIInfo(1); " with "alliancescore = select(3, GetWorldStateUIInfo(1))" |
| 05:38.16 | MentalPower | its cleaner looking, but not faster |
| 05:38.39 | MentalPower | _, _, alliancescore = GetWorldStateUIInfo(1) would do the same |
| 05:38.50 | batrick | actually he should just replace it with "_,_, alliancescore = ..." |
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| 05:39.02 | fromatz | cool thanks wobwork |
| 05:39.10 | wereHamster | no, "local _,_, alliancescore = ..." |
| 05:39.20 | batrick | (naturally) |
| 05:40.17 | fromatz | ah its just one extra function call, my addon is pretty light |
| 05:40.22 | fromatz | it shouldnt bog it down |
| 05:41.07 | batrick | The important thing to note is you only need to grab the values you want |
| 05:43.03 | fromatz | do you guys know how i calculate an alterac valley win |
| 05:43.24 | fromatz | im using the worldstate ui to determine wins for wsg, eots, and ab, but i dont think it works with av |
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| 05:45.22 | WobWork | Just base it on the battlegroup |
| 05:45.30 | WobWork | for example, if you're in my battlegroup, Horde will win =P |
| 05:46.40 | fromatz | lol |
| 05:47.40 | art3mis | i had a terrible dream, 1's and 0's everywhere i hought i saw a 2 |
| 05:47.52 | art3mis | its okay bender there's no such thing as 2 |
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| 05:54.12 | Atriace | I'm trying to create a global based on a function argument and then assign a value to it. I've used the getglobal successfully elsewhere, but I seem to be misusing the syntax on this one. |
| 05:54.53 | Atriace | If someone would care to see: _G[arg1 .. "text"] = (a - b)/10 |
| 05:55.23 | MentalPower | Atriace: that looks right |
| 05:55.32 | Atriace | Searching the list of globals ingame (using Inspector) shows no global with that name |
| 05:55.48 | MentalPower | with what name? |
| 05:56.20 | MentalPower | --> arg1 = 'foo' _G[arg1 .. "text"] =10 print("footext") |
| 05:56.21 | batbot | MentalPower: footext |
| 05:56.25 | Atriace | e.g., arg1 = MentalPower. _G[arg1 .. "text"] = MentalPowertext |
| 05:56.27 | MentalPower | --> arg1 = 'foo' _G[arg1 .. "text"] =10 print(footext) |
| 05:56.28 | batbot | MentalPower: 10 |
| 05:56.42 | MentalPower | Atriace: ^^^^ |
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| 05:57.04 | Atriace | Looks like my bug is elsewhere then.... |
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| 06:02.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Freaking finally |
| 06:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | No more SSC/TK |
| 06:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Ever |
| 06:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Again |
| 06:02.30 | Atriace | ? |
| 06:02.40 | Atriace | Your guild moved on? |
| 06:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Finally got the Hyjal attunement :P |
| 06:02.48 | Atriace | woohoo |
| 06:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been in that place since... I think some time in july |
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| 06:11.10 | fromatz | lua> t1 = {1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1}; t2 = {}; table.insert(t2, t1); pp(t2); |
| 06:11.11 | lua_bot | fromatz: { { 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 } (#2) } (#1) |
| 06:11.31 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
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| 06:14.57 | batrick | lua> t1 = {_G} pp(t1) |
| 06:14.58 | lua_bot | batrick: { { ["t1"] = <table: #1>, ["tostring"] = function: 0x629d80, ["os"] = { ["date"] = function: 0x62d760, ["difftime"] = function: 0x62d7c0, ["time"] = function: 0x62a6d0, ["clock"] = function: 0x62d700 } (#3), ["getfenv"] = function: 0x629910, ["pairs"] = function: 0x6290e0, ["assert"] = function: 0x6... (result truncated) |
| 06:15.21 | Atriace | Anybody got a favorite error message collector mod? |
| 06:15.36 | batrick | !BugSwatter I think |
| 06:15.37 | MentalPower | Swatter! |
| 06:15.40 | batrick | might be the wrong name |
| 06:15.41 | WobWork | bugsack? |
| 06:15.50 | MentalPower | tho I'm biased since I helped write it |
| 06:15.59 | batrick | MentalPower: I <3 that mod :P |
| 06:16.14 | Atriace | :) |
| 06:18.14 | MentalPower | http://wiki.norganna.org/!Swatter http://zip.norganna.org/libs/!Swatter/!Swatter-latest.zip |
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| 06:42.25 | Thrae | I was going to do something, but now I forget what. |
| 06:42.44 | art3mis | make me a sammich |
| 06:42.45 | Thrae | Oh right. |
| 06:42.47 | MentalPower | you were going to get me some coffee |
| 06:42.51 | MentalPower | bah... |
| 06:42.57 | Atriace | or go to bed? |
| 06:42.57 | art3mis | sudo make me a sammich |
| 06:43.05 | MentalPower | ~lart3mis |
| 06:43.05 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 06:43.32 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 06:44.08 | Thrae | Does anyone like in Maryland, USA? The company I work for is looking for QA testers to play the top 70 PC games all day. We work with some huge clients, good foot-in-the-door for the game industry or IT, and also excellent part-time work (we have a lot of students). |
| 06:44.25 | Thrae | s/like/live/ |
| 06:44.37 | Guillotin1 | Antiarc: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103821318&postId=51032524015&sid=1#4 |
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| 06:45.00 | MentalPower | ~g es en Hola |
| 06:45.03 | art3mis | i live in new york, shipping isnt that bad ;P |
| 06:45.11 | Antiarc | Looks like a misbehaved embed. |
| 06:45.16 | MentalPower | whats purl's translate trigger? |
| 06:45.40 | art3mis | ~translate en fr eat me |
| 06:45.48 | art3mis | tada! |
| 06:46.01 | MentalPower | ~translate es en A buen santo te encomiendas |
| 06:46.12 | MentalPower | close |
| 06:46.21 | MentalPower | Esamynn: ^^ |
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| 06:46.31 | MentalPower | s/santo/saint/ |
| 06:46.38 | Esamynn | ahh |
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| 06:49.00 | Maul|TrinityUI | Guillotine: I fail at text formatting...how do you colorize the guild motd? I am bored and want to play with the new toys :) |
| 06:49.37 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:49.53 | Maul|TrinityUI | hehe |
| 06:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Standard color strings I'd assume? |
| 06:50.27 | Guillotine | yup |
| 06:50.53 | Maul|TrinityUI | hmm, tried that, not working... |
| 06:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the syntax for the color again? |
| 06:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | |cRRGGBBAAtext|r ? |
| 06:51.40 | MentalPower | Maul|TrinityUI: use \124 instead of literal | |
| 06:51.46 | Maul|TrinityUI | doh |
| 06:51.52 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: yes |
| 06:51.56 | Maul|TrinityUI | I knew that |
| 06:51.58 | MentalPower | tho AA is ignored |
| 06:52.04 | batrick | why would you need \124 |
| 06:52.05 | Guillotine | Scythe: actually, its cAARRGGBB |
| 06:52.11 | batrick | --> "\124" |
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| 06:52.12 | batbot | batrick: > | |
| 06:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, that explains a bit |
| 06:52.20 | Guillotine | and yes, AA is ignored |
| 06:52.52 | MentalPower | batrick: the WoW chat code converts literal | into || |
| 06:53.06 | MentalPower | but ignores \124 in that conversion |
| 06:53.08 | batrick | they changed the string lexer? |
| 06:53.23 | MentalPower | its always been like that |
| 06:53.32 | batrick | that's wierd |
| 06:53.35 | batrick | I never knew that |
| 06:53.36 | Guillotine | been like that forever |
| 06:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Not working on live :/ |
| 06:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops forgot text in that example, but I assure you, it's in there |
| 06:57.16 | MentalPower | ./run GuildSetMOTD(GetGuildRosterMOTD().. "\124c00FF0000HELLO!") |
| 06:58.09 | Guillotine | technically you should add \124r at the end |
| 06:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | BAH |
| 06:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | |r |
| 06:58.20 | Guillotine | though as long as thats the end of the string it won't matter |
| 06:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Not |c, lol |
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| 06:59.29 | Antiarc | \124 = | ? |
| 06:59.34 | MentalPower | yes |
| 06:59.43 | MentalPower | --> return "\124" |
| 06:59.44 | batbot | MentalPower: > | |
| 07:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm totally abusing that in my guild note once 2.4 hits live |
| 07:00.53 | Antiarc | LOL |
| 07:00.58 | Antiarc | We have come full circle |
| 07:01.00 | Antiarc | "Lightweight alternatives to ace addons?" |
| 07:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice,. |
| 07:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *Nice. |
| 07:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, link! |
| 07:01.21 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103801097&sid=1 |
| 07:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome |
| 07:02.36 | Antiarc | Man, we haven't had a good Ace flamewar on the forums in a while |
| 07:02.40 | Antiarc | Maybe we should have one |
| 07:02.56 | Antiarc | "I installed an Ace3 mod, but it didn't make me sammiches as promised. WTF." |
| 07:02.57 | Cairenn | no? |
| 07:03.00 | art3mis | quick someone go reccomend ktm over omen |
| 07:03.10 | art3mis | recommend |
| 07:03.29 | Antiarc | I recommend KTM over Omen |
| 07:03.33 | Antiarc | For CPU burn-in |
| 07:03.40 | art3mis | ~rimshot |
| 07:03.40 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 07:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103801097&postId=51032423898&sid=1#5 |
| 07:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, someone beat me to it |
| 07:03.58 | Antiarc | Haha, owned. |
| 07:04.11 | art3mis | heh |
| 07:04.17 | Antiarc | E .· ` ' / ·. F <--- awesome |
| 07:04.18 | art3mis | why do people use low level alts to post? |
| 07:04.29 | art3mis | ive never understood that |
| 07:04.36 | Antiarc | I don't get it either. |
| 07:04.42 | art3mis | i troll on my main |
| 07:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: because when you answer people and their response is "I have better gear than you" or "you're a mage and you're just biased" |
| 07:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Why NOT? |
| 07:05.01 | art3mis | if peiople havent figured out that i bait them into QQ sessions that's thier tough ;P |
| 07:05.20 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: im more than capable of arguing anything from any point |
| 07:05.41 | art3mis | although i'll generally go for devils advocate or the most obscenely unrelated point as the mood strikes ;P |
| 07:05.46 | Antiarc | Thread title: "Why are Rogues so cheap?" |
| 07:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: exactly, and people will judge EVERYTHING you posted based on your gear, class, and spec. |
| 07:05.51 | Antiarc | "because there's a lot of supply, but not nearly enough demand." |
| 07:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | So I take all three out of the equation, and replace it with "post on your main nub" |
| 07:06.09 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: heh on my first realm i was judged by my words not my class ;P |
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| 07:06.26 | art3mis | actually iw as pretty well hated |
| 07:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | To be fair, a lot of the people who do that are on general or the class forums. :P |
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| 07:07.00 | art3mis | Antiarc: i would have gone for bad upbringing and bad teeth |
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| 07:07.40 | art3mis | hrm doxygen sounds neat |
| 07:07.45 | art3mis | i think thats its name |
| 07:08.01 | art3mis | http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/ |
| 07:08.16 | Antiarc | autodoc stuff in general is pretty neato. |
| 07:08.22 | art3mis | yeah |
| 07:08.26 | art3mis | kina spooky |
| 07:08.29 | art3mis | whats D btw? |
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| 07:08.54 | art3mis | c+++ATH0? |
| 07:09.34 | art3mis | oh and as a side note it brings me great joy that someone ahs taken to ddosing mmowned.com |
| 07:09.40 | art3mis | since the owner is a complete ass ;P |
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| 07:33.26 | |pez| | it felt like springtime was here.... and then there was lots of snow when I woke up |
| 07:33.43 | batrick | weather has been fucked lately |
| 07:33.55 | |pez| | *nodnod* |
| 07:34.16 | |pez| | but the sunshining, and a dry ground, was so much better than rain and snow and coldness. |
| 07:34.17 | batrick | It keeps switching from really warm to really cold here in albuquerque |
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| 07:38.19 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 07:38.47 | |pez| | batrick: it goes from rainy, to sunny and warm, to snowy, here in Bergen, Norway. |
| 07:39.09 | batrick | So apparently the second core in my Pentium D takes 100% more time to do work than my first core |
| 07:39.14 | batrick | I'm trying to figure out why |
| 07:39.58 | batrick | |pez|: ya :( |
| 07:40.27 | batrick | Might be something to do with the cache lines because both cores are active |
| 07:40.33 | batrick | L2 cache probably |
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| 07:52.21 | art3mis | maybe it just hates you batty |
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| 07:53.10 | batrick | that's so cool |
| 07:53.16 | batrick | nah it's L2 cache misses |
| 07:53.32 | batrick | I thought my shit was broken because my program suddenly took 10 seconds longer to complete |
| 07:53.58 | batrick | and when you're doing extensive profiling to show optimizations, that can really fuck with your head |
| 07:54.01 | nevcairiel | 10 seconds due to some cache misses |
| 07:54.02 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 07:54.06 | batrick | yes |
| 07:54.29 | nevcairiel | that must've been alot misses, or alot test cases :P |
| 07:55.07 | Guillotine | wtf, have you guys seen the official screenshot of the day? its the friggin kkk o.O |
| 07:55.18 | nevcairiel | where? |
| 07:55.18 | Cairenn | ? |
| 07:55.21 | Guillotine | I cannot believe that got through |
| 07:55.35 | Guillotine | go to http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml and click on the screenshot of the day |
| 07:56.05 | batrick | lmfao |
| 07:56.14 | Cairenn | eep |
| 07:56.16 | batrick | they need torches |
| 07:56.28 | Guillotine | how the heck did that get to be the screenshot of the day? o.O |
| 07:56.34 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 07:56.39 | art3mis | complete with purple grand dragon ;P |
| 07:56.49 | batrick | and if they were standing near the hangman outside gadget... |
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| 07:57.12 | batrick | that screenshot coulda been so epic |
| 07:57.14 | Guillotine | I am both offended and entertained at the same time |
| 07:57.33 | Guillotine | though mostly entertained that whoever does the chosing would choose that screenshot |
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| 08:11.19 | Atriace | MentalPower: where did you get that sound effect for the error sound? |
| 08:12.14 | Atriace | gave me a chuckle first time I heard it. |
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| 09:31.50 | art3mis | hey |
| 09:31.59 | art3mis | since mounts can fly at a different speed than they run |
| 09:32.15 | art3mis | is there a check thats accessible to tell if you're landed or flying? |
| 09:33.49 | nevcairiel | IsFlying() |
| 09:34.18 | art3mis | serious? |
| 09:34.23 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 09:34.27 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsFlying |
| 09:34.28 | art3mis | thats far to obvious |
| 09:39.42 | batrick | ~lart3mis |
| 09:39.43 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
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| 10:30.11 | batrick | no u |
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| 10:31.29 | batbot | Kalroth: nan unf |
| 10:31.35 | Kalroth | aw, I mixed them up |
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| 12:02.50 | |pez| | I wish the landlord would tell us when he started fiddling with our internet -__-'¨ |
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| 12:23.33 | foxlit | How is a C float stored in memory? |
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| 12:24.14 | clad|office | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_floating-point_standard |
| 12:24.32 | nevcairiel | yeah i suppose IEEE standard |
| 12:24.43 | nevcairiel | mantissa + exponent |
| 12:25.08 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.15 | |pez| | can anyone try to send a mail to admin@cuddlebutt.com ? :P |
| 12:25.18 | foxlit | It comes with a pretty picture, too :) |
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| 12:25.28 | nevcairiel | cuddlebutt? |
| 12:25.31 | nevcairiel | i refuse :P |
| 12:25.34 | foxlit | though those bit numbers seem... annoying |
| 12:25.46 | |pez| | Oh, it might take l48 hours for the MX records to update |
| 12:25.47 | |pez| | nevermind. |
| 12:25.53 | |pez| | 48* |
| 12:25.59 | foxlit | |pez|: only if they're cached |
| 12:26.05 | |pez| | nevcairiel: what? >__> |
| 12:26.16 | |pez| | cuddlebutt.com has no MX records from before. |
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| 12:26.57 | nevcairiel | then it should work |
| 12:26.59 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 12:29.37 | foxlit | The question is whether your own nameservers now respond to MX queries :) |
| 12:30.02 | foxlit | cuddlebutt.com.3600INMX5 ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com |
| 12:30.22 | foxlit | which they do. Gmail? |
| 12:30.28 | |pez| | Yeah |
| 12:30.39 | |pez| | google apps powered mailthingie. |
| 12:30.59 | nevcairiel | oh yeah you can use gmail on your own domains now, i read about that some time ago |
| 12:31.18 | |pez| | Yes, you can, it is quite awesome. |
| 12:31.20 | |pez| | But! |
| 12:31.24 | |pez| | I will test it out some more. |
| 12:31.33 | |pez| | and... do this all after I drive the boyfriend to work. |
| 12:45.46 | clad|office | any database guys/gals around? |
| 12:47.10 | foxlit | define, or just ask. |
| 12:47.14 | clad|office | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.18 | clad|office | hrm |
| 12:47.22 | clad|office | maybe not that |
| 12:47.39 | clad|office | Just looking for a better way to rewrite SELECT node,version from nodes where node = '_config' AND version = (select version from node_index where node = '_config'); |
| 12:48.37 | foxlit | go, natural product, go? |
| 12:48.47 | clad|office | hrh? |
| 12:48.49 | clad|office | huh |
| 12:49.08 | foxlit | SELECT node, version FROM nodes NATURAL JOIN node_index WHERE node = "_config" |
| 12:49.27 | clad|office | thanks |
| 12:49.36 | foxlit | Or, really, what are you doing? |
| 12:49.59 | foxlit | If your column names are sane, you're doing the rough equivalent of |
| 12:50.09 | clad|office | node_index has two columns |
| 12:50.13 | clad|office | node and version |
| 12:50.14 | foxlit | select node, version from node_index where node = '_config' |
| 12:50.25 | clad|office | i need to then get that row from the nodes table |
| 12:50.32 | clad|office | this was a simplification of that |
| 12:51.42 | foxlit | to for the same node, version can be different in nodes and node_index? |
| 12:51.54 | clad|office | nodes contains all the versions, a full history |
| 12:52.01 | clad|office | node_index is just a fast way to get the latest version |
| 12:52.08 | clad|office | unless i can use aggregates to get that from the nodes table quickly |
| 12:52.36 | clad|office | standard workflow is I need to get the latest version of a node |
| 12:52.51 | foxlit | there's only one row per (node, version) combination in nodes? |
| 12:53.00 | clad|office | correct, its the primary key on that table |
| 12:53.13 | foxlit | ORDER BY, LIMIT 1? |
| 12:53.35 | foxlit | Not sure if that'd use the index, but if it does, should be faster than taking a natural join |
| 12:53.42 | clad|office | yeah, that's what I wasn't sure about |
| 12:53.50 | foxlit | EXPLAIN (query) |
| 12:53.57 | foxlit | should answer that |
| 12:54.01 | clad|office | hrm, thanks. |
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| 12:59.56 | clad|office | foxlit: any hints on how i read the output of explain? :P |
| 13:00.24 | clad|office | foxlit: http://cladhaire.pastey.net/83326 is what I have |
| 13:00.39 | clad|office | oh dizzam, they're not the same query |
| 13:00.39 | clad|office | br |
| 13:01.05 | clad|office | but the results are the same |
| 13:01.28 | clad|office | I assume the order by limit ends up being faster |
| 13:03.08 | foxlit | Mm, it depends. |
| 13:03.32 | foxlit | You could look EXPLAIN up in the mysql manual: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/using-explain.html |
| 13:03.50 | foxlit | But by the looks of that, it considered using the keys, and then decided not to |
| 13:03.54 | Wobin | http://youtube.com/watch?v=zMj1ZaWVc-8 |
| 13:04.21 | foxlit | You should probably populate it with sample data |
| 13:04.32 | foxlit | "The rows column indicates the number of rows MySQL believes it must examine to execute the query." 1 is not very interesting |
| 13:04.38 | clad|office | ah okay |
| 13:04.46 | clad|office | i'll take a look at it then, that's easy enough |
| 13:05.40 | foxlit | There's also a GROUP BY / HAVING option |
| 13:05.44 | foxlit | (which would allows you do to things like GROUP BY node HAVING version = MAX(version)) |
| 13:06.09 | clad|office | hrm |
| 13:06.12 | clad|office | lemme populate this quick |
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| 13:11.43 | Wobin | can someone go to www.mathletics.com and see if they get a page? |
| 13:12.03 | foxlit | "Java script is not enabled. |
| 13:12.03 | foxlit | Please check that java script is enabled - if you have Internet Explorer you can:" |
| 13:12.12 | nevcairiel | i get a page |
| 13:12.23 | foxlit | That detection is flawed |
| 13:12.23 | Wobin | oh good, it's just me then |
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| 13:22.27 | amro | Wobin: being the only one to see things is usually a bad thing :P |
| 13:24.25 | foxlit | It's only when you start hearing voices telling you to do things you're in trouble |
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| 13:32.14 | clad|office | foxlit: Both queries are pretty good, but one is linear with respect to the number of revisions of a given node, while the other is just two single row queries |
| 13:32.21 | clad|office | so i think i'll go with the two single row query |
| 13:32.24 | clad|office | thanks |
| 13:32.38 | foxlit | Which is linear, btw? :) |
| 13:32.59 | clad|office | the ORDER BY LIMIT 1 |
| 13:33.05 | clad|office | needs to look at all the rows for that node |
| 13:33.10 | Cide | makes sense |
| 13:33.15 | clad|office | aye |
| 13:33.16 | Cide | it orders them all and then limits |
| 13:33.43 | foxlit | Cide: but the trick is that it's also part of the primary index, with the other part being provided in the WHERE |
| 13:34.00 | Cide | hmm |
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| 13:37.11 | sioraiocht | clad|office: you there? |
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| 13:42.02 | |pez | can anyone try sending something to whatever@cuddlebutt.com where whatever is.. something you want. |
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| 13:42.40 | Cide | so if I want hugs and kisses, I email hugsandkisses@cuddlebutt.com ? |
| 13:43.29 | |pez | maybe? :P I'm just checking to see if it's set up right and redirects stuff from blabla@cuddlebutt.com it doesn't reconize. |
| 13:43.35 | |pez | recognize |
| 13:43.44 | Cide | well, sent! |
| 13:43.50 | |pez | thankyou :D |
| 13:46.11 | |pez | you got a reply? |
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| 14:17.36 | |pez | Cide: where you from? |
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| 14:17.49 | Cide | sweden |
| 14:17.55 | |pez | right, thought so- |
| 14:17.59 | |pez | either that or denmark |
| 14:29.13 | clad|office | lua> test = "This is a \\test string"; print(test:gsub("string", "foo")) |
| 14:29.14 | lua_bot | clad|office: This is a \test foo, 1 |
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| 15:45.23 | Kaso | Metatable hooks used to be so scary |
| 15:52.29 | [dRaCo] | I don't trust first-time-right code |
| 15:52.40 | [dRaCo] | can't believe I made no typos :/ |
| 15:53.18 | zenzelezz | that just means you have logical errors, not syntax errors |
| 15:53.25 | [dRaCo] | prolly, yeah |
| 15:53.48 | [dRaCo] | but it works o0 |
| 15:54.34 | [dRaCo] | even with some \n in the input... |
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| 16:06.11 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 16:06.34 | cog|work | 'ello |
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| 16:17.49 | art3mis | Breaking news! Realms offline today 3am to 11am PST (just like every tuesday before it) |
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| 16:19.42 | Lopeppeppy | ZOMG, I want a refund. |
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| 16:22.58 | art3mis | should troll post demanding that sub fees be dropped becuz of the 1 day total outage each month and how in feb you didnt get a full 30 days ;P |
| 16:24.00 | Keias | shit, down until 11am PST?! |
| 16:24.19 | Keias | I stayed home for THIS?! |
| 16:24.24 | art3mis | as normal |
| 16:24.42 | Keias | now I'm gunna have to go take a shower or something just to pass time |
| 16:24.44 | Keias | This is an outrage |
| 16:25.55 | cog|work | ROFL |
| 16:25.58 | cog|work | "Lightweight alternatives to ace addons?" |
| 16:26.09 | break19 | lol |
| 16:26.18 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103801097&sid=1 |
| 16:26.21 | art3mis | welcome to last night cog ;P |
| 16:26.41 | cog|work | ~lart3mis |
| 16:26.42 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 16:26.57 | art3mis | not my fault you live in the past |
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| 16:27.13 | Lukian | "try using ktm. it might help. omen isn't that great on your computer :/" |
| 16:27.24 | cog|work | not your fault i'm getting over the flu and probably wasn't awake when said post was made... |
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| 16:29.37 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.38 | Cide | hahaha |
| 16:29.42 | Cide | fueled by what misconceptions? |
| 16:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | The usual one of addons and RAM and performance. |
| 16:30.56 | Lopeppeppy | There is this new trend of minimalism that has to do with computer usage, not visual presentation. It's... weird. |
| 16:30.59 | Cide | it's well established that ace > your loading times |
| 16:33.07 | |Jelly| | It is. |
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| 16:34.28 | Cide | it's kinda funny |
| 16:35.14 | Cide | >>> 52*4-11 |
| 16:35.14 | Cide | Cide: 197 |
| 16:35.18 | Cide | 197 addon folders |
| 16:36.28 | Cide | but only ~47 addons |
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| 16:37.07 | Cide | not counting blizzard's 14, that's 33:183 |
| 16:38.48 | Cide | it's an interesting design |
| 16:39.15 | Cide | in the search of the ultimate performance |
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| 16:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | Drink more Red Bull? |
| 16:42.26 | art3mis | jolt cola for me |
| 16:42.36 | art3mis | red bull is horrid tasting |
| 16:44.06 | cog|work | rockstar |
| 16:44.09 | cog|work | full throttle |
| 16:44.18 | cog|work | sobe .. umm... something or other |
| 16:44.50 | Keias | Energy drinks are pretty horrid tasting either way. What ever happened to will power? :( |
| 16:45.21 | cog|work | it was replaced by caffeine |
| 16:45.25 | art3mis | it went away with personal responsibility |
| 16:45.37 | Keias | You kids these days! |
| 16:45.38 | art3mis | i hear they've got a nice little bungalow in tahaiti |
| 16:45.40 | amro | sugar is a powdered energy drink, it's enough for me |
| 16:46.03 | art3mis | actually monster energy isnt too bad |
| 16:46.17 | art3mis | i wouldnt willingly cosume it as my only beverage mind you |
| 16:46.29 | art3mis | ya know whats a great energy boost? |
| 16:46.36 | art3mis | b-100complex |
| 16:46.40 | art3mis | its a vitamin |
| 16:46.44 | art3mis | ;) |
| 16:47.05 | art3mis | and as an added side bonus it makes yer pee turn the colour of mountain dew ;P |
| 16:47.06 | kergoth | caffeine doesnt work for me anymore, or just sugar, have to have a combination of the two to stay awake now |
| 16:47.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:47.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man. I love Sebudai. |
| 16:47.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://juggernautguild.com/ |
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| 16:47.50 | art3mis | yeha i long passed the point of "healthly caffiend and sugar consumption |
| 16:48.03 | Cide | what's funny is that he's a nice guy |
| 16:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, he is. |
| 16:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That news post is just epic though |
| 16:48.25 | cog|work | vitamin B does a great job too imo |
| 16:48.44 | kergoth | i used to consume like 7 caffinated drinks a day... all soda.. talk about a bad diet, thats like 2000 useless calories, not to mention chewing up the teeth |
| 16:49.10 | art3mis | More noteworthy though is how we almost wiped to Gruul in the process. We can heal just fine on shit like Mother Shahraz and Illidan, but apparantly Gruul the Dragonkiller ain't nobodies bitch. |
| 16:49.13 | art3mis | heh |
| 16:50.39 | wereHamster | ScytheBlade1, who's Sebudai? |
| 16:50.51 | Cide | guild leader of juggernaut |
| 16:50.54 | Cide | on doomhammer |
| 16:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: the GM of that guild... google is your friend |
| 16:51.07 | wereHamster | is that a big/well known guild? |
| 16:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The guild itself is 16th overall in the US |
| 16:51.26 | art3mis | only on doomhammer |
| 16:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | But he's most commonly known for this: http://www.wowinsider.com/media/2006/12/sebspeakerwg2.jpg |
| 16:53.13 | Cide | I was there for most of those |
| 16:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, but you weren't IN any of those screenshots |
| 16:53.24 | wereHamster | which class does he play? |
| 16:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And so |
| 16:53.27 | Cide | I remember the "AE before my call again, see what happens one" |
| 16:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail Cide |
| 16:53.28 | purl | Cide: Fail. |
| 16:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Enhance shaman |
| 16:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (currently) |
| 16:53.37 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: yeah, I wasn't stupid like half of their members :P |
| 16:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: haha, okay, good point |
| 16:53.49 | Cide | and I was an app so I tried to shut up whenever possible |
| 16:53.59 | art3mis | first column bottom is still my fav quote |
| 16:54.52 | Cide | I love the bottom right one |
| 16:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Something about the GMOTD quote is what makes me laugh |
| 16:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "08/17/06 - UBRS - We need peopel to learn to assist and not pull aggro, so we are raiding the place where that is learned." |
| 16:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | *people |
| 16:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure they were in Naxx at the time too |
| 16:56.28 | Cide | we were |
| 16:56.46 | Cide | is the one about jumping off ledges there too? |
| 16:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 16:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "As a guild we struggle with mobility fights" |
| 16:57.06 | Cide | that was when people kept failing to jump over to thaddius' platform |
| 16:57.09 | Cide | like |
| 16:57.11 | Cide | over and over and over |
| 16:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 16:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Inquiring minds want to know, Cide! |
| 16:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you actually raid UBRS? |
| 16:58.13 | Cide | I wish |
| 16:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a letdown |
| 16:58.23 | Cide | I agree |
| 16:58.29 | Cide | I can't remember what that quote was about though |
| 16:58.43 | art3mis | hehe im looking at job postings and scanning descriptions, i see ". The company's vastly regarded brands reach a great, intellectually" and read it as retarded, then giggle. |
| 16:59.42 | Cide | oh and |
| 17:00.03 | Cide | "Using allof our rez's, try not to rez ---- and --- if you can help it, they'll just die again" |
| 17:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Names?! |
| 17:00.42 | Cide | I can't remember the first one |
| 17:00.46 | Cide | it was a female |
| 17:00.48 | Cide | orc hunter |
| 17:00.58 | Cide | kalebe! |
| 17:01.01 | Cide | I think |
| 17:01.10 | Cide | and the second one was a friend of mine who shall remain nameless :P |
| 17:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 17:01.17 | zenzelezz | "How Juggernaut learned Naxxramas" |
| 17:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Sitting in this channel too by chance? ;) |
| 17:01.24 | zenzelezz | IT'S NOT ROCKET SURGERY! |
| 17:01.25 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: nah |
| 17:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | booo |
| 17:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I had hopes |
| 17:01.57 | Cide | that was when we were learning um |
| 17:02.10 | Cide | the fight where you had to run back and forth |
| 17:02.39 | Cide | heigan |
| 17:02.39 | Cide | and they kept dying the first time, without exceptions |
| 17:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, they haven't picked up any new loot in over a month |
| 17:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Talk about harassing the PTR |
| 17:05.27 | Legorol | how can someone cope and stay in a guild like that for more than a raid or two? |
| 17:05.36 | Legorol | with a leader like that, i would be out, i don't care how great they are |
| 17:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Different mindset, different goals, different people in it |
| 17:05.58 | Legorol | i guess |
| 17:06.03 | Cide | Legorol: 'hardcore' basically |
| 17:06.10 | Cide | but really, it isn't as bad as it seems in those screenshots |
| 17:06.11 | Legorol | imo, Kungen is about the only person in the world i'd be willing to take such crap from |
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| 17:06.18 | Cide | I ended up leaving, but for other erasons |
| 17:06.21 | Legorol | then again, he doesn't because he is a good leader :) |
| 17:06.32 | Cide | Legorol: they're not that much worse in terms of progression |
| 17:06.41 | Legorol | fairly nuff |
| 17:06.58 | Legorol | the thing is though, i doubt that it makes any difference to progression whether he is an asshat or a great motivator |
| 17:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Which guild is Kungen in again? |
| 17:07.04 | Legorol | so why not be a motivator instead :) |
| 17:07.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Name rings a bell but I forget the guild |
| 17:07.05 | Cide | I do prefer leaders that don't do that stuff though |
| 17:07.09 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: nihilum |
| 17:07.10 | zenzelezz | Nihilum |
| 17:07.11 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: Nihilum |
| 17:07.17 | Legorol | a little known off-shoot guild noone's heard of |
| 17:07.26 | Cide | Legorol: well, you have to call people out at that level |
| 17:07.33 | Cide | "come on guys, do better!" doesn't really work out |
| 17:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, heh |
| 17:07.39 | Cide | you have to replace people if they can't execute |
| 17:07.44 | Legorol | Cide: true |
| 17:07.48 | Cide | but you don't have to do it in the way that sebudai did it |
| 17:07.57 | Legorol | i'm not criticising his wish for performance and being demanding |
| 17:08.01 | Legorol | exactly |
| 17:08.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Different people, different mindset |
| 17:08.13 | Legorol | yup |
| 17:08.27 | Legorol | i had a really, really realllllly bad day once |
| 17:08.30 | Legorol | due to IRL reasons |
| 17:08.36 | Legorol | and happened to be leading a Kara raid that night |
| 17:08.50 | Legorol | it's the first and last time ever that i have done the following: |
| 17:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm on the exact opposite side of the spectrum now. Just got my last vial, no more SSC/TK ever again... new member to the guild, and I've messed up at least four times where I expected someone to say something |
| 17:09.06 | Legorol | i told people to watch threatmeter, people kept pulling aggro, so i told them that from now on we wait for 5 sunders, period |
| 17:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and no one did. |
| 17:09.10 | Legorol | if you don't, you are out of the raid |
| 17:09.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I was waiting for it and it never came, hah |
| 17:09.19 | Legorol | result: that raid didn't go very far :) |
| 17:09.23 | Legorol | so i learnt my lesson for a life |
| 17:09.37 | Legorol | "don't bring your RL frustration into raid leading or you'll screw everything up" |
| 17:09.41 | Legorol | never happened since :) |
| 17:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: the difference being, you never enforced anything before that. He's been enforcing crap from day one. ;) |
| 17:10.30 | Legorol | does he happen to be the guy in the famous Onyxia voice track? -50 dkp |
| 17:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, no |
| 17:10.39 | Legorol | pity |
| 17:10.42 | Legorol | would suit him perfectly |
| 17:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | He's actually a really nice guy in everything that I've read |
| 17:11.00 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: yeah not enforcing stuff before is one reason, us being a friendly casual bunch is another :) |
| 17:11.05 | Legorol | i was a complete tool that night |
| 17:11.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: yup, exactly. Different goals. |
| 17:11.55 | Legorol | anyway, now i get to start worrying about people with WoW version of mid-life crisis |
| 17:12.12 | Legorol | the good raiders are about to start leaving to better guilds to try and squeeze in a bit more content before WotLK |
| 17:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, that's what I just did. |
| 17:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The real irony is that my current guild makes my last guild look like raiding /professionals/ - and this new one is more progressed |
| 17:13.17 | Legorol | started earlier? |
| 17:13.20 | Legorol | had less leavers? |
| 17:13.24 | Legorol | more luck on drops? |
| 17:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 17:13.25 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: be glad you're not in my guild! |
| 17:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 17:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 17:13.28 | Cide | because I'd yell at you |
| 17:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: which? |
| 17:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: both guilds started at the same time. my old one was borderline hardcore atmosphere with minimum progression. |
| 17:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ferals in full T5 pulling an entire 500 threat per second! Good times were had by all. |
| 17:14.13 | Legorol | just goes to show that "hardcore" doesn't equate progression |
| 17:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.39 | Legorol | so here is a question for you more hardcore folks: |
| 17:14.51 | Legorol | what do you prefer, self-motivated individuals or ones that are motivated when you yell at them |
| 17:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Both. :) |
| 17:15.09 | Legorol | figures |
| 17:15.35 | Legorol | well i think my guild is very cool and i'm proud of it :) |
| 17:15.45 | Legorol | we are about to try maggy for the first time tomorrow, yay! |
| 17:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | If you can't bring consumables to the raid, you're really not helping (progression night). If you can't take the constructive criticism necessary, you're MORE worthless, as you'll just hate life and eventually leave |
| 17:15.52 | Legorol | (Hydross and Lurker on farm already) |
| 17:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe, grats |
| 17:15.56 | Legorol | talk about going backwards |
| 17:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really, in all truth |
| 17:16.30 | ralfWORK | yo |
| 17:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Lurker is an excercise in not falling asleep at your keyboard, and hydross is an excercise at stopping DPS when it is called |
| 17:16.49 | Legorol | i wish it was that simple :D |
| 17:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Mag actually takes coordinated groups of people doing things correctly at the exact same second, regardless of vent lag |
| 17:16.56 | Osagasu | My guild got Al'ar down Saturday, and Solarian is going down this week |
| 17:17.05 | Legorol | but i'm proud of being able to take a person who isn't even Kara attuned and has greens to Gruul and still one-tap him :) |
| 17:17.09 | Legorol | that's what defines our guild |
| 17:17.17 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: oh, I'm not in a guild right now |
| 17:17.21 | ralfWORK | I find no pleasure in that at all |
| 17:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: boo :P |
| 17:17.31 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: but I wouldn't let it pass unnoticed if I was the raid leader |
| 17:17.35 | Osagasu | Won't need Kara attunement next patch |
| 17:17.39 | Osagasu | Unless they revoked it |
| 17:17.44 | ralfWORK | I find no joy in running undergeared and underexperienced players through a raid |
| 17:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: I want actual progression, and would not be against rerolling factions given a good opportunity :P |
| 17:17.52 | Cide | I'm not the "yell at people" kind of guy, but still |
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| 17:18.22 | Legorol | the thing is, we achieve the impossible (sometimes) |
| 17:18.32 | Legorol | we are a big family kinda, with big brothers and little sisters, with a great community |
| 17:18.33 | ralfWORK | yea, sure |
| 17:18.39 | ralfWORK | it's just not entertaining to me |
| 17:18.41 | Legorol | the big brothers work hard to take the little sisters on the ride :) |
| 17:18.50 | ralfWORK | we've done raid bosses with 1 healer |
| 17:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:19.04 | ralfWORK | doesn't mean I'd *want* to |
| 17:19.26 | ralfWORK | I want people who are commited to the raid |
| 17:19.41 | Legorol | sure, and most guilds that seriously raid look at it like that |
| 17:19.47 | Legorol | that's why we are somewhat unique, and i like that :) |
| 17:19.49 | ralfWORK | which means consumables, which means situational awareness, which means knowing what gear to pick for your upgrade |
| 17:20.08 | Legorol | we are like a charitable organisation: giving chance to third-world players who otherwise would never see the inside of that raid instance |
| 17:20.28 | Legorol | i think that's the best description |
| 17:20.42 | Legorol | take a 14 year old kid who has to go to sleep at 10pm |
| 17:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, I raid 10 mans on my feral druid, where about half of the people there have never seen inside of a *five* man |
| 17:20.54 | ralfWORK | Legorol: if I had to guess, half your raid out-gears the encounter before you achieve the "impossible" feats, correct? |
| 17:20.55 | Legorol | what guild in their right mind would allow him to come and kill hydross or lurker or whatever |
| 17:20.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | *resto druid |
| 17:21.04 | Legorol | ralfWORK: of course |
| 17:21.18 | Legorol | our progress is determined by the overall average of teh guild, rather than the top of the guild |
| 17:21.54 | ralfWORK | Legorol: well, so long as the top tier of raiders enjoys handing out raids to less geared people, it sounds like it works great |
| 17:22.01 | Legorol | the "impossible" part about it is giving chance to people who otherwise wouldn't |
| 17:22.15 | Legorol | as i said, it's a big family |
| 17:22.31 | Legorol | you got to have the kind of mentality that a protective older sibling feels towards the younger one, or it can't work |
| 17:22.41 | ralfWORK | well, cool then |
| 17:22.51 | Legorol | i wish it was always that simple, hehe |
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| 17:23.48 | ralfWORK | as far as enjoying so-called impossible accomplishments |
| 17:24.10 | ralfWORK | I'd rather achieve them because of odd class makeup rather than a bunch of people in greens |
| 17:24.36 | zenzelezz | that's your opinion; some just disagree |
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| 17:24.50 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: you think? |
| 17:25.38 | zenzelezz | usually not, but it's been known to happen |
| 17:26.32 | Legorol | zomg, people disagree over the intarwebz? nevah! |
| 17:26.47 | ralfWORK | never seen that happen before! |
| 17:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course |
| 17:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 17:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you'll be here forever |
| 17:27.04 | Legorol | lol |
| 17:27.15 | Legorol | i've seen it before, funny stuff |
| 17:27.24 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 17:31.41 | Cide | You don't have to wear a plastic cock to have Sebudai yell at you, just ninja-afk and fuck up on raids. |
| 17:33.03 | art3mis | the plastic cock may help though |
| 17:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember that quote, but I can't remember where from |
| 17:34.32 | Shirik | this is... odd |
| 17:34.51 | Legorol | lol this one's so appropriate to the earlier discussion: http://xkcd.com/357/ |
| 17:34.55 | Shirik | anyone ever heard of this? Log into WoW, you get connected for about two seconds, see "success", and then disconnect |
| 17:35.04 | Shirik | sometimes you don't even get to "success" |
| 17:35.09 | Shirik | then it says "disconnected from server" |
| 17:35.16 | ralfWORK | Shirik: eh. I think I've had that happen |
| 17:35.35 | Shirik | it keeps happening :< |
| 17:35.49 | ralfWORK | Legorol: hah nice |
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| 17:38.06 | Legorol | anyway, i better stop procrastinating |
| 17:38.09 | Legorol | later folks |
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| 17:43.49 | Shirik | oh right, today's tuesday!~ |
| 17:43.55 | Shirik | btw servers just came up |
| 17:43.58 | Shirik | if ... you didn't know |
| 17:44.05 | Shirik | or they've been up |
| 17:44.08 | ralfWORK | sorry was afk playing wow |
| 17:44.11 | Shirik | you know what, I'm going back to sleep |
| 17:44.21 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 17:44.40 | amro | Shirik: http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b377/Amro_/wowuiman.png |
| 17:44.58 | Shirik | yes someone pointed me to that before >< |
| 17:45.07 | Shirik | I'm debating whether or not I should hardcode devtools |
| 17:45.26 | Shirik | WAH! |
| 17:45.28 | Shirik | Typo! |
| 17:45.32 | Shirik | Fixed, thanks |
| 17:46.06 | amro | no problem |
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| 17:46.46 | Shirik | But yeah I dunno if I should automatically do devtools or what |
| 17:47.28 | amro | do the IDs change often? |
| 17:49.59 | batrick | hi friends |
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| 17:52.22 | Shirik | amro: They never change |
| 17:52.38 | Shirik | well, unless the author decides to upload a new one instead of update the old one |
| 17:53.22 | Shirik | Regardless, it shouldn't matter because devtools should be in your favorites list :P |
| 17:53.26 | Cide | WoWUIManagerrrrr |
| 17:53.30 | Shirik | ~kill Cide |
| 17:53.31 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged proton gun at Cide |
| 17:53.50 | Cide | ~spell Shirik |
| 17:54.01 | Cide | Shirrrrr! |
| 17:54.10 | art3mis | Shari? |
| 17:54.36 | art3mis | ....and everyone knows that the highlander was a documentary |
| 17:55.13 | ralfWORK | this is true |
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| 18:06.12 | Jumpee | I am trying to update Cladhaire's Scite for Wow and having a problem. Could someone take a look at http://wowi.pastey.net/83331 and figure what I am doing wrong? |
| 18:08.43 | clad|office | it has to do with the loadpaths |
| 18:08.44 | clad|office | one moment. |
| 18:09.07 | clad|office | can you find the wow.lua file that's in the SCiTE distribution |
| 18:09.24 | Jumpee | it is in the lib folder |
| 18:10.04 | clad|office | is it at c:\SciTE\lib\wow.lua? |
| 18:10.11 | clad|office | oh |
| 18:10.13 | clad|office | durm |
| 18:10.16 | Jumpee | yes |
| 18:10.17 | clad|office | its the module system |
| 18:10.22 | clad|office | open that file |
| 18:10.38 | clad|office | hrm |
| 18:10.38 | Jumpee | ok done |
| 18:10.42 | clad|office | that's going to be rather nasty =/ |
| 18:10.58 | clad|office | one moment |
| 18:10.59 | Jumpee | :( |
| 18:12.12 | art3mis | “We think that acting in accordance with principles is important, and IE8’s default is a demonstration of the interoperability principles in action,” IE general manager Dean Hachamovitch said in a blog posting. |
| 18:12.14 | clad|office | there's a lua.properties file |
| 18:12.18 | clad|office | can you find that for me? |
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| 18:12.30 | Jumpee | yes |
| 18:12.45 | art3mis | With IE8, Microsoft plans to have three rendering modes: the new standards-compliant mode, the IE7 rendering engine, as well as an option for displaying older Web sites. Because of the default shift, Web sites that want IE8 to use its IE7 engine will have to add a tag to their site’s code. Microsoft noted that there are some legal reasons for changing course. “While we do not believe there are currently any legal requirements that would d |
| 18:13.01 | clad|office | Jumpee: in that, search for the reference to wow.lua |
| 18:13.28 | Jumpee | got it |
| 18:13.40 | clad|office | whats that line read? |
| 18:13.41 | |pez| | art3mis: got cut at "any legal requirements" |
| 18:13.56 | Jumpee | command.go.*.lua=bin\lua.exe -l "$(SciteDefaultHome)\lib\wow.lua" "$(FileNameExt)" |
| 18:14.02 | art3mis | that sounds to me like complete interoperability, requiring people to add tags to thier sites so ie displays correctly |
| 18:14.06 | clad|office | change that to |
| 18:14.12 | Arrowmaster | remove the -l "$(SciteDefaultHome)\lib\wow.lua" |
| 18:14.23 | art3mis | con't,..........that would dictate which rendering mode must be chosen as the default for a given |
| 18:14.33 | art3mis | site. |
| 18:14.37 | clad|office | command.go.*.lua=bin\lua.exe -e "dofile $(SciteDefaultHome)\lib\wow.lua" "$(FileNameExt)" |
| 18:14.56 | Arrowmaster | if you use cogs exes you dont need the wow.lua |
| 18:15.11 | clad|office | Arrowmaster: correct |
| 18:15.15 | clad|office | but he's not at the moment |
| 18:15.19 | clad|office | and i want to make sure this works as well |
| 18:15.27 | clad|office | someone needs to take up the damn maintenance of this addon and release a new bundle |
| 18:15.35 | clad|office | il'l even generate the api auto completion for it |
| 18:15.56 | Jumpee | ok, give me a moment to copy in the 5.1 files |
| 18:16.11 | Arrowmaster | i would consider it but ive done some heavy configs to mine |
| 18:16.21 | art3mis | clad|office:you need to host lightheaded on more addons sites and offer a choice on which database it uses |
| 18:16.28 | clad|office | uhh why? |
| 18:16.34 | art3mis | see how retarded that sounds telling someone else to do something ;P |
| 18:16.45 | clad|office | i didn't tell anyone else to do anything |
| 18:16.52 | clad|office | i said someone needs to :P |
| 18:17.01 | art3mis | and i said you need to ;P |
| 18:17.08 | art3mis | same diff ;P |
| 18:17.12 | art3mis | unless you're not a someone |
| 18:17.16 | art3mis | then i apologize ;) |
| 18:17.21 | Arrowmaster | 'code.page=65001' is one of the most useful config lines for SciTE when working on wow addons |
| 18:17.39 | Jumpee | I need to dl the 5.1 stuff again |
| 18:17.49 | clad|office | Jumpee: then download cogwheel's distribution instead |
| 18:17.53 | clad|office | and this'll be even easier :P |
| 18:17.53 | art3mis | i'd love it if someone could fix the luasandbox thingy |
| 18:17.59 | clad|office | what luasandbox? |
| 18:18.05 | |pez| | so, I need something that's fun for my cuddlebutt e-mail |
| 18:18.07 | clad|office | you mean wowbench? |
| 18:18.11 | |pez| | somethingfun@cuddlebutt.com |
| 18:18.17 | art3mis | err lua sandbox that one that had the wow api so let you test crap outside of the game without loading wow |
| 18:18.28 | clad|office | yeah |
| 18:18.30 | clad|office | it was limited |
| 18:18.31 | Arrowmaster | http://sourceforge.net/projects/lua511wow |
| 18:18.33 | clad|office | very much so |
| 18:18.40 | Cide | |pez|: hugsandkisses@cuddlebutt.com |
| 18:18.41 | art3mis | its still an awesome idear |
| 18:18.42 | clad|office | Jumpee: download from that link (http://sourceforge.net/projects/lua511wow) |
| 18:18.46 | clad|office | unpack those |
| 18:18.53 | clad|office | then |
| 18:19.03 | clad|office | command.go.*.lua=bin\lua.exe "$(FileNameExt)" |
| 18:19.05 | clad|office | is your command |
| 18:20.04 | art3mis | worshipme@cuddlebutt.com ;P |
| 18:20.11 | Arrowmaster | clad|office: you know what 'code.page=65001' does that makes it my favorite config setting? |
| 18:20.16 | clad|office | nope |
| 18:20.24 | Arrowmaster | defaults to utf8 instead of ansi =D |
| 18:20.26 | Valaron|Work | w |
| 18:20.28 | clad|office | heh |
| 18:20.29 | Valaron|Work | Oops |
| 18:20.39 | Arrowmaster | if it doesnt find a bom |
| 18:21.10 | |pez| | art3mis: hmm, I liked Cides suggestion better. :o |
| 18:22.21 | art3mis | |pez|: mine reads correctly though ;P |
| 18:22.29 | Jumpee | it seems to be working now |
| 18:22.29 | art3mis | worship me at cuddlebutt dot com ;P |
| 18:22.49 | Cide | hugsandkisses at cuddlebutt dot com |
| 18:23.01 | art3mis | sounds incredibly lame ;P |
| 18:23.12 | Cide | that's like "oh, I can get hugs and kisses at cuddlebutt.com! I better go there right now" |
| 18:23.13 | art3mis | what are you 12? |
| 18:23.17 | Jumpee | Thanks for the help Clad |
| 18:23.18 | Cide | traffic increases by 10x |
| 18:23.21 | art3mis | laugh |
| 18:23.25 | clad|office | sorry it was such a pita |
| 18:23.25 | |pez| | ahaha :D |
| 18:23.39 | |pez| | you guys are awesome XD |
| 18:23.48 | Jumpee | Np. But man did I spend a lot of time dl'ing and renaming stuff. lol |
| 18:24.32 | Arrowmaster | we do need a new version of scite on wowi, isnt that one like 1.70? |
| 18:24.43 | Jumpee | yes it is |
| 18:24.45 | Shirik|Shower | so take over the project :) |
| 18:24.50 | Arrowmaster | no way |
| 18:24.55 | Arrowmaster | i hate making installers |
| 18:24.55 | Cide | how are you typing in the shower? |
| 18:25.02 | Shirik|Shower | I have a waterproof computer |
| 18:25.07 | Cide | nice. |
| 18:25.11 | Shirik|Shower | actually, my water is extremely pure |
| 18:25.14 | Cide | WLAN too, I hope |
| 18:25.15 | Jumpee | .ust be a Timex |
| 18:25.24 | Shirik|Shower | and anyone who knows basics of electricity knows that pure water does not conduct electricity |
| 18:25.29 | Cide | Shirik|Shower: so pure it doesn't conduct electricity? |
| 18:25.36 | Cide | bah, too slow |
| 18:25.56 | Shirik|Shower | :P |
| 18:26.27 | ralfWORK | oh... man |
| 18:26.42 | ralfWORK | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/february/badgegem.jpg |
| 18:26.51 | Bibi | photoshopped, fake |
| 18:27.07 | Cide | I doubt it's photoshopped |
| 18:27.11 | Cide | maybe /script'd |
| 18:27.25 | Bibi | huh, /script a merchant frame ? |
| 18:27.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah you can /script anything |
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| 18:27.45 | Shirik|Shower | You can increase your framerate with a /script |
| 18:27.58 | Cide | /script UIParent:Hide() |
| 18:28.09 | Arrowmaster | /script WorldFrame:Hide() |
| 18:28.15 | Shirik|Shower | Arrowmaster wins |
| 18:28.26 | Shirik|Shower | cmon Cide I know I said this before |
| 18:28.30 | krka | isn't that the same as ctrl+z? |
| 18:28.31 | Shirik|Shower | what's happening to you? |
| 18:28.38 | Shirik|Shower | krka: UIParent:Hide() is ctrl+z |
| 18:28.42 | Cide | Shirik|Shower: what? |
| 18:28.52 | Shirik|Shower | WorldFrame:Hide() eliminates the need to render 3d |
| 18:28.59 | Cide | so what? |
| 18:29.14 | Cide | UIParent still increases your fps, which was the goal, I think! |
| 18:29.34 | krka | what's that blue currency in the screenshot? |
| 18:29.35 | Shirik|Shower | anyway /vanish |
| 18:29.40 | Shirik|Shower | krka: badges? |
| 18:29.42 | Cide | krka: badges of justice |
| 18:29.42 | ralfWORK | uhm |
| 18:29.44 | Cide | anyway, I'm out |
| 18:29.46 | ralfWORK | badges of justice? |
| 18:29.46 | krka | ok thanks |
| 18:29.46 | Cide | /wave |
| 18:29.51 | ralfWORK | l2heroic? |
| 18:30.03 | krka | i am not even playing |
| 18:30.24 | ralfWORK | orly? |
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| 19:28.52 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 19:29.13 | cog|work | NO U |
| 19:29.42 | Lunessa | No WAI |
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| 19:37.16 | cog|work | \o/ at the housing market |
| 19:37.36 | Lunessa | Getting a house cheap? |
| 19:37.46 | cog|work | should be |
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| 19:38.19 | Lunessa | Sweet |
| 19:38.28 | Lunessa | Market Corrections for the WIN |
| 19:39.12 | cog|work | one place went up for 469k back in july and is now under 290 |
| 19:39.40 | cog|work | part of me feels bad, the other...... no... i take that back... it's all win :P |
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| 19:45.33 | Lunessa | Pure win. |
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| 20:02.24 | Lunessa | Pure win? http://xkcd.com/391/ |
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| 20:04.47 | Shirik|Ecole | Pure win. |
| 20:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | Cake is still a lie. |
| 20:05.54 | ralfWORK | lies! |
| 20:06.19 | Lunessa | I made you a cakes, but I eated it. |
| 20:08.41 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* |
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| 20:10.06 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/02/funny-pictures-1-of-us-is/ |
| 20:10.34 | Cairenn | oy! |
| 20:12.29 | Saint-N | http://dabble.com/node/45598397 |
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| 20:19.08 | Shirik|Ecole | that is the change in icanhascheezburger that I'm disappointed in, Lunessa |
| 20:19.22 | Shirik|Ecole | that would totally not have been considered "acceptable" 6 months ago |
| 20:19.27 | Lunessa | the format/layout? |
| 20:19.36 | Shirik|Ecole | There's nothing lolcat about it |
| 20:19.38 | Shirik|Ecole | ... aside from the cat |
| 20:20.06 | ralfWORK | well yea |
| 20:20.13 | ralfWORK | and they used to reject pictures with humans |
| 20:20.22 | Shirik|Ecole | at a bare minimum they could have used "iz" |
| 20:20.24 | Shirik|Ecole | instead of "is" |
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| 20:21.38 | Lunessa | I need to buys me a pepsi |
| 20:22.33 | Saint-N | someday I'll be able to click on the "install macromedia XXXXXXXXX plugin" in firefox and it'll actually install |
| 20:24.54 | shanesveller | someday we can get out from under Adobe/Macromedia's shadow |
| 20:25.29 | Saint-N | http://www.infrastructure.ziffdavisenterprise.com/c/a/Blogs/Sony-BMG-to-Drop-Copy-Protection-for-Downloads/?sp=0&kc=VIIPRIDD030408VII4 |
| 20:26.28 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, soda. |
| 20:27.03 | Lunessa | http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/report-gary-gyg.html |
| 20:27.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. Is sad. |
| 20:29.11 | Cairenn | :( |
| 20:30.28 | Saint-N | guess his S vs D wasn't that good |
| 20:30.58 | Lopeppeppy | That one is pretty much loaded against the player from the start, didn't think there was a saving throw there. |
| 20:31.11 | Saint-N | there's always a chance |
| 20:31.26 | Saint-N | after all he probably made the first few, since he was in failing health for a while |
| 20:31.50 | Lunessa | Meh. I met him. I didn't like him much, but he did have a profound impact on my life. |
| 20:32.13 | Cairenn | :p |
| 20:32.27 | Saint-N | I grew up, I have nothing but profound respect for him and jeff grubb |
| 20:32.40 | Saint-N | err I grew up with d&d |
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| 20:39.03 | Lunessa | Saint-N: I've been playing D&D since 1979. And yes, it was a big part of my life. I appreciate that Gary and Dave cranked it out. I just didn't like the man, and he wasn't able to let his child grow up. He was bitter about a lot of things. But he was inventive and interesting for all of that. |
| 20:43.33 | Saint-N | oh I meant that to cairenn |
| 20:44.17 | deltron | !d20 |
| 20:44.20 | deltron | !roll |
| 20:44.21 | deltron | lol |
| 20:44.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:44.23 | deltron | drats |
| 20:44.26 | Saint-N | ~d20 |
| 20:44.27 | purl | 10 |
| 20:44.31 | Saint-N | w00t |
| 20:44.46 | deltron | ~d20 |
| 20:44.46 | purl | 8 |
| 20:44.49 | deltron | drats |
| 20:44.56 | Saint-N | ~d10 |
| 20:44.56 | deltron | foiled by dice yet again |
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| 20:45.09 | Saint-N | ~d100 |
| 20:45.12 | ralfWORK | ~d20 |
| 20:45.12 | purl | 18 |
| 20:45.16 | ralfWORK | yay! |
| 20:45.19 | Saint-N | wow |
| 20:45.23 | Saint-N | 10+8=18 |
| 20:45.26 | Saint-N | haxx! |
| 20:45.29 | ralfWORK | ;) |
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| 21:13.03 | Lunessa_ | worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103801097&sid=1 - I LOL'ed - it was bound to happen. |
| 21:13.29 | Gnarfoz | wtb http:// in front :< |
| 21:13.42 | Gnarfoz | protocol-less links make x-chat cry :( |
| 21:13.56 | Syzgyn | Lol |
| 21:13.58 | cog|work | ~lart Lunessa_ |
| 21:13.58 | purl | gives Lunessa_ a good seeing to |
| 21:14.05 | Gnarfoz | (I could also say I'm too lazy to c&p that) |
| 21:14.08 | ralfWORK | wtb http://forums in front :P |
| 21:14.20 | cog|work | wtb . after ralfWORK's addition |
| 21:14.24 | Gnarfoz | indeed, I just noticed when I actually copied ist :D |
| 21:14.29 | ralfWORK | doh! pwnt :( |
| 21:14.33 | Gnarfoz | s/ist/it/ |
| 21:14.55 | foxlit | "(sometimes I just close down windows.exe and operate out of task manager via things like firefox.exe, etc.)" |
| 21:15.06 | ralfWORK | foxlit: rofl |
| 21:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: heh, nice. You got a pretty big mention in wowinsider. http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/03/04/omen-in-patch-2-4-even-bigger-even-better/ |
| 21:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ... or you raid with the one who wrote that |
| 21:17.29 | ScytheBlade1 | So you would know it was coming already |
| 21:19.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "If your bar is getting in the red, it is probably time to Ice Block or Soulshatter." ARGH ICEBLOCK IS NOT AN AGGRO DUMP |
| 21:19.51 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 21:20.02 | cladhaire | dying is |
| 21:20.04 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 21:20.09 | cladhaire | i'm better at that anyway |
| 21:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes dying is |
| 21:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:20.32 | Syzgyn | Dying is my aggro dump D: |
| 21:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:20.41 | ralfWORK | mages need a talent in the fire tree that reduces durability on gear due to death :( |
| 21:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That could be a shirt |
| 21:20.51 | Syzgyn | Warriors should get invisibility |
| 21:20.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "Death: my anti-aggro" |
| 21:20.55 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 21:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | While that kinda contradicts itself, still |
| 21:21.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It has possibility |
| 21:22.05 | ralfWORK | "Death: my aggro dump" |
| 21:22.21 | ralfWORK | "Real men use Soulstones to dump aggro" |
| 21:22.51 | Syzgyn | warlocks in my raids have gotten used to soulstoning me |
| 21:23.02 | ralfWORK | what class are you? |
| 21:23.08 | Syzgyn | fury war |
| 21:23.12 | ralfWORK | oh lol of course |
| 21:23.15 | Syzgyn | :P |
| 21:25.21 | Gnarfoz | same for enh shaman |
| 21:25.28 | Gnarfoz | shadow priests as well |
| 21:25.31 | Lunessa_ | Sorry about the broken link. |
| 21:25.48 | ralfWORK | yes, shadowpriest here :( |
| 21:26.39 | Lunessa_ | I'm an enhancement shaman (normally) - using an Ankh is my real aggro dump. |
| 21:28.26 | Syzgyn | Void Reaver is great fun and all, but I almost always die during it D: |
| 21:28.33 | Gnarfoz | at least you're able to spell that talent tree right... I'm used to "enchantment shamen" (sic) and "restro druids/shamans" |
| 21:28.48 | ralfWORK | hahahaha |
| 21:28.54 | Syzgyn | That would piss me off so much |
| 21:28.58 | ralfWORK | wait they aren't enchantement? |
| 21:29.15 | Gnarfoz | LW/JC :< |
| 21:29.23 | ralfWORK | what messes me up |
| 21:29.34 | ralfWORK | is if I see reference to an enchantement shaman in General or Trade |
| 21:29.48 | ralfWORK | scanning it visually makes me think they want an Enchant |
| 21:29.52 | ralfWORK | <- enchanter here |
| 21:29.54 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 21:29.55 | Gnarfoz | anyway, druids are "dudu"s on my realm (and many other deDE realms, too, I guess), that's gotta be the worst fate of all |
| 21:30.10 | ralfWORK | totally messes me up |
| 21:30.21 | ralfWORK | Gnarfoz: I like calling them droods myself |
| 21:30.42 | Gnarfoz | I do, too, but "they" don't get that anyway, deDE and all :< |
| 21:30.56 | ralfWORK | oh... uhm... |
| 21:30.59 | ralfWORK | lolwut? |
| 21:31.02 | ralfWORK | denmark? |
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| 21:41.10 | Gnarfoz | ralfWORK: germany |
| 21:41.15 | ralfWORK | right, ok |
| 21:41.19 | ralfWORK | I always forget that one |
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| 21:45.35 | foxlit | "m = 1.fraction in binary (that is, the significand is the binary number 1 followed by the radix point followed by the binary bits of the fraction). Therefore, 1 ≤ m < 2." |
| 21:46.08 | foxlit | Do. not. follow. |
| 21:47.14 | Syzgyn | bwha. |
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| 21:54.28 | kd3 | whoa, there's finally a naaru on the isle of quel'danas |
| 21:58.09 | Syzgyn | oh? |
| 21:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | that's a heck of an aura |
| 21:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | +79 sta and +40 int? |
| 21:59.16 | ralfWORK | can i haz? |
| 21:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, just log on to the PTR |
| 21:59.30 | ralfWORK | kk |
| 22:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: heh, or the instance server is down. |
| 22:06.57 | kd3 | the 25-man is offline |
| 22:07.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I was trying the 5 |
| 22:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And I've still got the aura in the 5 man too |
| 22:09.14 | nevcairiel | what aura? o.O |
| 22:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:54 < kd3> whoa, there's finally a naaru on the isle of quel'danas |
| 22:09.27 | ScytheBlade1 | +79 sta and +40 int |
| 22:09.39 | Shirik|Ecole | !google 2N5551 |
| 22:09.40 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: Product Folder - Fairchild P/N 2N5551 - NPN General Purpose Amplifier <http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/2N/2N5551.html> |
| 22:09.46 | nevcairiel | why does a naaru give you that aura? |
| 22:09.53 | nevcairiel | last step of the island reclaimal? |
| 22:10.17 | kd3 | yeah. we've fully recovered the isle now |
| 22:10.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, really? There's still demons all over it |
| 22:10.35 | nevcairiel | EU didnt even get armory yet |
| 22:10.50 | nevcairiel | the trash doesnt despawn so you can do the dailys still |
| 22:10.51 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:16.14 | cogumel0 | is it possible to create window frames all in lua or must you use xml for that? |
| 22:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You can create all the frames you want in lua |
| 22:16.55 | cogumel0 | only it's easier to do it in xml, is that it? |
| 22:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It really doesn't matter :) |
| 22:17.20 | cogumel0 | why's that? |
| 22:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | A frame is a frame |
| 22:17.32 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: The writer is a guildmate of mine :P |
| 22:17.37 | Antiarc | So he sorta got the inside scoop. |
| 22:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: next two lines |
| 22:17.52 | Antiarc | Heheh. |
| 22:17.58 | cogumel0 | well true, but a frame can have several frames inside, right? |
| 22:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | define "inside" |
| 22:18.34 | cogumel0 | more like on top, but still part of that frame as the parent frame |
| 22:18.49 | cogumel0 | basically a frame can be parent to multiple |
| 22:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, a frame can be a parent to multiple other frames |
| 22:19.28 | cogumel0 | ok, well if that's the case it will be much easier to write, see and change anything in xml rather than lua because of identation, no? |
| 22:19.42 | cog|work | cogumel0: personal preference, really |
| 22:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I can honestly say I have no clue what you're talking about |
| 22:19.55 | cog|work | especilaly if you're working with a Lua-based frame building engine |
| 22:19.57 | Syzgyn | you can use indentation in Lua too |
| 22:20.18 | cog|work | I do prefer XML for laying out static GUIs because the parent-child relationship is clearly defined by the structure of the code |
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| 22:20.26 | cog|work | among other benefits of xml editors :) |
| 22:20.39 | cogumel0 | well yeah that's what I meant cog|work |
| 22:21.10 | cog|work | but you can also get the same sort of deal with Lua tables with a function that builds frames from them |
| 22:21.14 | cogumel0 | ofc you can indent in lua as well, but it's just not the same when trying to figure out the parent-child relationship |
| 22:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You can use a table in lua for that, if you want |
| 22:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | frame1.frame2.frame3, etc |
| 22:21.56 | cogumel0 | well you can have everything ofc, I've seen c++ programs in the shape of a xmas tree... doesn't mean it's easy to read though |
| 22:22.06 | cog|work | :P @ ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I missed that entirely |
| 22:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea how but I did |
| 22:22.33 | cogumel0 | anyway, thx :) |
| 22:22.37 | cogumel0 | you've answered my question :P |
| 22:22.42 | cogumel0 | ohh, wait 1 more question :) |
| 22:23.12 | cogumel0 | any program in specific either for lua or xml to build wow addons you recommend other than yer old notepad? (notepad++ in my case) |
| 22:23.28 | haste | yes, lua |
| 22:23.48 | Lunessa_ | Hah, real men code in raw text. |
| 22:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Most worthless ability ever: counterspell with a cast timer. Pretty sure I just counterspelled a counterspell |
| 22:23.58 | cog|work | I use SciTE for my Lua files and Visual Studio for the XML (http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML) |
| 22:24.06 | cog|work | notepad++ is great too |
| 22:24.35 | cogumel0 | ScytheBlade1, you remind me of the old duals with magic the gathering... |
| 22:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm? |
| 22:24.49 | zenzelezz | ... so my guild got an application from someone where he misspelt "mining" as "miming", and half of the replies to his post so far is "zomg 375 miming!" |
| 22:24.51 | cogumel0 | counterspelling the counterspells |
| 22:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:25.05 | cogumel0 | once I had 3 counterspells in my hand and my oponent had 4 |
| 22:25.16 | cogumel0 | I did an ability and well... basically we wasted all our counterspells... |
| 22:25.24 | |pez| | zenzelezz: awesome guild ;P |
| 22:25.25 | cogumel0 | and I still got it counterspelled back to me! |
| 22:26.30 | cogumel0 | btw, is there any event to check for player changing coordinates? |
| 22:26.50 | cogumel0 | onupdate simply has too big a scope |
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| 22:33.05 | cogumel0 | umm... anyone? |
| 22:33.24 | Syzgyn | I dont think theres an event for position changes |
| 22:33.56 | Syzgyn | check how cartographer does it maybe |
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| 22:40.51 | batrick | u r |
| 22:43.15 | Shirik|Ecole | !google 2n5306 |
| 22:43.17 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: 2N5306 NPN Darlington Transistor <http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N5306.pdf> |
| 22:43.20 | batrick | shirik |
| 22:43.30 | batrick | ping timeout. |
| 22:44.04 | Shirik|Ecole | you pinged me? |
| 22:44.13 | Shirik|Ecole | did you ping the |AFK version of me? |
| 22:44.30 | batrick | i pinged every version of u |
| 22:45.04 | cogumel0 | is there a way to check if a player is moving then? forward/backwards/strafe, whatever... any kind of movement that can interrupt casting ? |
| 22:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | cogumel0: hooksecurefunc() + movement functions |
| 22:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | See the wiki for more info |
| 22:45.50 | cogumel0 | but that's not an event right? |
| 22:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope. |
| 22:45.56 | Esamynn|Work | no |
| 22:46.13 | cogumel0 | then I'd have to call it myself rather than have it trigger by the game -.- |
| 22:46.14 | Esamynn|Work | do you need to know the exact cause of spell interruption? |
| 22:46.45 | cogumel0 | nop, I'm looking for another way of checking for coordenates. I was trying not to use onupdate |
| 22:46.50 | cogumel0 | since it triggers way too often |
| 22:46.59 | Lunessa_ | bah. |
| 22:47.15 | cogumel0 | coordenates can only change if you are moving or in flight, and maybe a couple more that I haven't thought of ... |
| 22:47.32 | cogumel0 | in any case it seems silly to have to use onupdate -.- |
| 22:47.39 | cogumel0 | is there no way round it? |
| 22:47.40 | Esamynn|Work | only way to be sure your coordinates are up to date is onupdate |
| 22:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure you have to use onupdate |
| 22:47.56 | cogumel0 | gah, bliz sucks! |
| 22:47.57 | Esamynn|Work | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:48.15 | cogumel0 | waypoint system |
| 22:48.31 | cogumel0 | but was hoping that by finding another method of finding out coordenates... I'd cut down on the memory |
| 22:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 22:48.45 | Esamynn|Work | memory??? |
| 22:48.46 | ScytheBlade1 | You're getting to (x,y) from (x,y) |
| 22:48.52 | cogumel0 | not that a waypoint system wastes a lot of memory... |
| 22:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | How would onupdate effect the memory? |
| 22:49.09 | Esamynn|Work | I think you mean CPU time, don't you? |
| 22:49.24 | cogumel0 | on every on update you have to do the math to change the real coordenates from something real to something readable and redraw them ? |
| 22:49.42 | Esamynn|Work | redraw what, the way points? |
| 22:49.48 | Lunessa_ | brb |
| 22:49.51 | ScytheBlade1 | You can always code it to only fire once every 20 OnUpdate calls... |
| 22:49.53 | cogumel0 | if you didn't have to do the math nor redraw... in fact... if it didn't even trigger unnecessarily... |
| 22:49.55 | zenzelezz | you're talking bytes, you wouldn't notice the memory |
| 22:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Or once ever second.. |
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| 22:50.21 | cogumel0 | true, you wouldn't on something this small, but you would once you start putting more code behind it which is what I hope to do |
| 22:50.25 | Esamynn|Work | cogumel0: are you trying to draw waypoints on the Minimap, or where exactly? |
| 22:50.45 | cogumel0 | a system like the one used by cartographer_waypoints |
| 22:50.51 | cogumel0 | or the one before it, betterwaypoints |
| 22:50.57 | cogumel0 | I want a standalone 1 |
| 22:51.00 | Esamynn|Work | assume I'm not familiar with cartographer_waypoints |
| 22:51.06 | cogumel0 | ohh... |
| 22:51.23 | cogumel0 | it's an arrow above your head, sprite changes according to the direction you are meant to take |
| 22:51.36 | Esamynn|Work | k |
| 22:51.55 | cogumel0 | that's pretty much it... then you can check distance, current speed, how long it will take to get there at current speed ... |
| 22:52.38 | Esamynn|Work | are you just displaying the arrow, or are you putting the way points on the worldmap/minimap as well? |
| 22:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | cogumel0: Under the assumpting that an event DID exist for when you changed location, it'd likely be horribly ineffecient compared to OnUpdate. Firing hundreds of times per second is a very real possibility |
| 22:53.04 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: such an event could be limited to once per frame |
| 22:53.04 | cogumel0 | also on worldmap and minimap |
| 22:53.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Work: well you'd hope :) |
| 22:53.19 | Esamynn|Work | heh |
| 22:53.41 | Esamynn|Work | cogumel0: mind if I do a little shameless self promotion? ;) |
| 22:54.06 | Esamynn|Work | ~poke cog|work |
| 22:54.06 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cog|work, pokes cog|work repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:54.24 | cogumel0 | ScytheBlade1, onupdate is an abuse, no one can do not even a 10th of a full coordenate in the time it takes from 1 update to the next... |
| 22:54.34 | cogumel0 | go ahead Esamynn|Work |
| 22:55.33 | cogumel0 | mind you Esamynn|Work, that's not going to stop me from building my own :P unless you let me change yours :D |
| 22:55.33 | Wobin | There's TomTom |
| 22:55.38 | cogumel0 | tomtom only works on minimap |
| 22:55.45 | cog|work | cogumel0: you assume incorrectly methinks |
| 22:55.45 | Wobin | svn version has the CrazyTaxiArrow |
| 22:55.45 | cog|work | ;) |
| 22:55.48 | cogumel0 | doesn't have the arrow above your head |
| 22:55.55 | Wobin | svn version has the CrazyTaxiArrow |
| 22:56.01 | cogumel0 | svn? |
| 22:56.18 | Wobin | Development version has the taxi arrow |
| 22:56.28 | cog|work | (not wanting to steal the thunder) |
| 22:56.31 | Wobin | have a chat to clad to get the details |
| 22:56.39 | cogumel0 | ohh, true it does... |
| 22:56.43 | cogumel0 | but it's miles away from what I head |
| 22:56.45 | cogumel0 | heard* |
| 22:57.01 | Wobin | what better way to make it faster than to help with development! |
| 22:57.14 | cogumel0 | I have bigger plans! |
| 22:57.28 | Wobin | Bigger, more efficient plans, eh? |
| 22:57.40 | cogumel0 | like... this all started today morning when I woke up... went do to my early addon update/check for new interesting stuff... |
| 22:58.20 | cogumel0 | and found out there's actually a lot more addons to help remembering locations of qs now! and I could get rid of my buggy questareas that I was never too interested in fixing |
| 22:58.30 | Esamynn|Work | sorry, had to talk to my manager |
| 22:58.45 | cogumel0 | and basically... in one way or another... THEY ALL SUCK! |
| 22:59.04 | Wobin | TourGuide is good |
| 22:59.16 | cogumel0 | so... I decided to make my own! including a crazy taxi arrow |
| 22:59.24 | cogumel0 | tourguide assumes you want to do it it's way ... |
| 22:59.30 | cogumel0 | tourguide tells you "go here, go there" |
| 22:59.31 | Esamynn|Work | anyways, cogumel0: http://wiki.esamynn.org/Astrolabe <-- this might make your life easier if you're wanting to draw on the minimap |
| 22:59.46 | Wobin | cogumel0: to be brutally honest, you're better off helping out with an existing one. Than starting a completely -new- one |
| 23:00.04 | Esamynn|Work | cogumel0: sorry for going line dead on you there, work comes first when I'm in the office |
| 23:00.17 | Wobin | and really, if you're writing a quest helper, it doesn't -need- a crazy arrow |
| 23:00.23 | Wobin | just have Tomtom provide it |
| 23:00.32 | cogumel0 | problem is... I want it simple, most of the addons I've tried already have WAY too many things... they are not going to remove it and add the ones I want! |
| 23:00.40 | cogumel0 | no problem Esamynn|Work, thx for the link |
| 23:00.44 | Esamynn|Work | TomTom is pretty simple |
| 23:00.47 | Wobin | TomTom is pretty simple |
| 23:00.53 | Esamynn|Work | LOL |
| 23:01.19 | Esamynn|Work | Wobin: are you an echo bot? ;) |
| 23:01.36 | Wobin | Wobin: are you an echo bot? ;) |
| 23:01.52 | Esamynn|Work | ~cheeseslap Wobin |
| 23:01.53 | purl | ACTION slaps Wobin around with a wheel of cheddar |
| 23:02.08 | Wobin | ~lart Esamynn|Work |
| 23:02.08 | purl | executes killall -HUP Esamynn|Work |
| 23:02.47 | cogumel0 | I just want something that tells you the locations of the mobs with dots on the map, for qs that you have picked up and are within your "level range" and allow YOU to make your own questing path, choosing which quest you want do to first, and which one you want to do next (with an option to let the computer decide by checking the closest ones to your current location) |
| 23:03.02 | Wobin | cogumel0: The problem is, that you're falling into the same trap that the 'other' addons are doing |
| 23:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like a fair amount of features |
| 23:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Ding |
| 23:03.11 | Wobin | and trying to provide everything in the one addon |
| 23:03.25 | Wobin | Use Astrolabe for the coordinates, and Tomtom for the arrow |
| 23:03.30 | Wobin | and you've saved yourself a lot of time |
| 23:03.35 | cogumel0 | yeah, I suppose |
| 23:03.44 | Wobin | all you then need is the organisation of possible waypoint locations |
| 23:04.22 | cogumel0 | in any case, provided the functions are global in astrolabe I don't need to change anything, might need to add a little window for a list of locations so you can organize which one comes first ... |
| 23:04.38 | cogumel0 | damn, I had already picked a name for my waypoint addon and everything :S |
| 23:04.44 | Esamynn|Work | heh |
| 23:04.46 | cogumel0 | waypointextreme :S |
| 23:04.48 | cogumel0 | lol |
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| 23:05.12 | cogumel0 | go ahead, you can laugh |
| 23:05.24 | cogumel0 | I just wanted to get it started, better than naming it "bluh!" like my last one |
| 23:05.43 | Esamynn|Work | ~gag me |
| 23:05.44 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of esamynn|work and, as an additional precaution, sews esamynn|work's mouth shut permanently... |
| 23:06.13 | pastamancer | cogumel0: it makes me thing of Waynes World... "no way" "WAY!" |
| 23:06.59 | cogumel0 | once a friend started doing an addon... named it qwerty. it had 1 line and guess what? it didn't work -.- |
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| 23:09.38 | cogumel0 | Esamynn|Work, I'm just checking the link, this is just a library for the minimap part, right? |
| 23:09.52 | Esamynn|Work | correct |
| 23:10.22 | Esamynn|Work | TomTom uses it in fact |
| 23:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 23:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "I definitely think there's a valid argument to be made that the time investment and organizational requirement versus reward aren't balanced well enough right now" |
| 23:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103671845&sid=1&pageNo=13#244 |
| 23:12.13 | Esamynn|Work | what is surprising you, the fact that they are thinking that, or that they would say they are thinking that? |
| 23:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | The fact that they came out and said it, when whatever solution they may have will likely not hit 2.4 |
| 23:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Which means we get months of "but you PROMISED you would equalize it/fix it!" posts everywhere |
| 23:13.06 | Esamynn|Work | aye |
| 23:14.09 | Shirik|Ecole | !google 2n5306 |
| 23:14.10 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: 2N5306 NPN Darlington Transistor <http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N5306.pdf> |
| 23:14.12 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: ping |
| 23:14.33 | Shirik|Ecole | !google 2n3905 |
| 23:14.34 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: 2N3905 PNP General Purpose Amplifier <http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N3905.pdf> |
| 23:14.58 | Shirik|Ecole | !google 2n4126 |
| 23:14.59 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: 2N4126/MMBT4126 PNP General Purpose Amplifier <http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N4126.pdf> |
| 23:15.01 | Shirik|Ecole | ugh |
| 23:15.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I give up |
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| 23:39.29 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: what |
| 23:39.58 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: What did you want >< |
| 23:40.02 | batrick | o |
| 23:40.17 | batrick | I wanted to grill u for not getting back to me on the thread stuff :0 |
| 23:40.20 | batrick | :) ** |
| 23:41.25 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry I've been really busy :( |
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