IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20080212

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`00:10.00`	`TecnoBrat`	`~logs`
`00:10.00`	`purl`	`it has been said that logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian \| lines that start with a space are not shown \| some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz`
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`00:14.58`	`art3mis`	`anyone remember off hand what port the server 2003/exchange web admin stuff lives on?`
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`00:27.19`	`Kirkburn`	`This game is completely awesome - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bkiMMjkljag`
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`00:40.51`	`Shirik`	`~lart Cidan`
`00:40.51`	`purl`	`eats Cidan and falls over dead`
`00:46.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart Shirik`
`00:46.52`	`purl`	`strangles Shirik with a doohicky mouse cord`
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`01:06.35`	`testleK`	`~lart everyone`
`01:06.35`	`purl`	`slaps a compatible dib on everyone's head`
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`01:07.18`	`Shirik`	`wow, freenode hates me tonight`
`01:07.38`	`art3mis`	`it's not just freenode`
`01:07.45`	`Shirik`	`~kill art3mis`
`01:07.46`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxpositrino gun at art3mis`
`01:07.50`	`art3mis`	`~dodge`
`01:07.51`	`purl`	`ACTION dodges!`
`01:07.56`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`01:08.03`	`art3mis`	`im time cop!`
`01:08.08`	`Shirik`	`except you got hit`
`01:08.11`	`Shirik`	`purl dodged it...`
`01:08.21`	`art3mis`	`laugh`
`01:08.24`	`art3mis`	`semantics`
`01:08.52`	`testleK`	`rofl`
`01:09.00`	`art3mis`	`besides a super inverse fluxpositron gun is really just a light gun`
`01:09.13`	`art3mis`	`the worst that did was momentarily blind me ;P`
`01:10.27`	`Shirik`	`er`
`01:10.35`	`Shirik`	`light is photons, not positrons`
`01:11.25`	`Shirik`	`a positron is the antimatter version of an electron`
`01:11.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`but it's inverse`
`01:12.02`	`Shirik`	`so it's electrons?`
`01:12.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`flux electron gun?`
`01:12.07`	`art3mis`	`positrino`
`01:12.16`	`art3mis`	`== electrino == photon`
`01:12.27`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~lart3mis`
`01:12.28`	`purl`	`ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz`
`01:14.54`	`Shirik`	`electrinos don't exist :P`
`01:15.38`	`Shirik`	`And I've never heard of a "positrino"`
`01:15.42`	`Shirik`	`though I'm not a quantum physicist`
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`01:18.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`nutrino is clseest for me`
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`01:18.53`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`01:18.57`	`Shirik`	`perl is officially confusing to me`
`01:19.02`	`Shirik`	`I don't know the language but I just read these lines`
`01:19.13`	`Shirik`	`while (<>) {`
`01:19.13`	`Shirik`	`chomp;`
`01:19.14`	`Shirik`	`??`
`01:19.29`	`Shirik`	`ignoring the "<>" expression for a moment..... chomp?!`
`01:21.03`	`Cidan`	`mmm`
`01:21.06`	`Cidan`	`chomp`
`01:21.08`	`Cidan`	`mmm, perl`
`01:21.18`	`Cidan`	`the only thing I use perl for is on the shell`
`01:21.22`	`Cidan`	`and that's if bash can't do it`
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`01:44.42`	`WobWork`	`Kirkburn: What is this audiosurf?`
`01:44.59`	`Gryphen`	`www.Google.com`
`01:45.16`	`Kirkburn`	`http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=game&AppId=12900`
`01:45.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Releases on Friday`
`01:46.05`	`Kirkburn`	`I played the beta, and it was pretty good`
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`01:52.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Is it normal for lortab to not fix pain in the slightest?`
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`01:58.24`	`KivinSan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:59.12`	`WobWork`	`Gryphen: I tried your link but all I got was a page with a input box in it =(`
`01:59.26`	`WobWork`	`Ta Mr Burn`
`02:00.34`	`Gryphen`	`yup`
`02:01.47`	`Kirkburn`	`:D`
`02:01.52`	`WobWork`	`hm, $9`
`02:02.14`	`WobWork`	`Worth it just for the Mr Blue Sky track =P`
`02:02.28`	`WobWork`	`although imagine "Still Alive" on that`
`02:04.48`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`02:04.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, Mr Blue Sky = just wow`
`02:05.37`	`Kirkburn`	`ELO rocks`
`02:08.14`	`WobWork`	`ting ting ting ting`
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`02:13.06`	`WobWork`	`oh god`
`02:13.14`	`WobWork`	`someone stop me from buying the elo album from itunes =(`
`02:13.31`	`kd3`	`ok. "Don't buy the ELO album on iTunes"`
`02:13.33`	`kd3`	`there`
`02:14.01`	`WobWork`	`Thank you`
`02:14.19`	`WobWork`	`"It's a terrible thing to lose! It's a given thing! What a terrible thing to lose..."`
`02:15.10`	`WobWork`	`instead, I'll just get MBS`
`02:16.00`	`Kirkburn`	`BUY IT`
`02:17.36`	`KivinSan`	`Can I prevent a frame from reaching the layout cache by using :SetUserPlaced(false)?`
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`02:26.37`	`pastamancer`	`KivinSan: that's what that function is supposed to do. you'll have to call it right after every time you call StopMoving though`
`02:36.04`	`Cidan`	`Okay, so, after my friend egged me on about RDX6 and how NOT to make Conspiracy, I said fuck it. I just installed RDX6.`
`02:36.10`	`Cidan`	`Holy fucking programmers interface.`
`02:36.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Good, or bad/`
`02:37.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it hates you too Lopeppeppy`
`02:37.17`	`Cidan`	`It's like Veni took "user friendly" and shit all the fuck over it, ate it, threw it up, shit on it some more, left it to rot in the streets of NYC for three years and then presented the end result as a user interface for the end user.`
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`02:39.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ooooooh... kay!`
`02:39.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Now you know what not to do, a lot.`
`02:40.23`	`Shirik`	`Hahaha I told you Cidan`
`02:40.32`	`Cidan`	`No shit man.`
`02:40.36`	`Shirik`	`I told you that a long time ago, RDX 6 is taking everything about KISS and spelling it SSIK`
`02:40.55`	`Cidan`	`I mean it's nice that it's advanced and all; but christ, I couldn't even make a window.`
`02:41.02`	`Shirik`	`It was definitely made for a programmer`
`02:41.04`	`Shirik`	`not a user`
`02:41.09`	`Cidan`	`No joke.`
`02:41.55`	`Cidan`	`I've always been worried that Conspiracy's UI would be in the shadow of RDX6; am I doing enough? Is it flexable enough while allowing for ease-of-use?`
`02:42.01`	`Cidan`	`whew`
`02:42.07`	`Cidan`	`Totally not worried anymore. :D`
`02:42.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Good, then you've made progress already.`
`02:42.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'll Stupid Test it for you, that should show you what's borked.`
`02:42.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm good at Stupid Testing.`
`02:43.01`	`Cidan`	`I think I've done a good job at stupid proofing it`
`02:43.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nah. I'd have to use it before you can say that :P`
`02:43.33`	`Cidan`	`OH`
`02:43.36`	`Cidan`	`Shirik: Awesome idea`
`02:43.43`	`Shirik`	`"There Are 8 Types And Only 8 Types And Thou Shalt Have`
`02:43.43`	`Shirik`	`No Other Types Before Me (And You Can Fudge A Little With Tables`
`02:43.43`	`Shirik`	`Because I Am A Merciful Language)"`
`02:43.49`	`Shirik`	`From the Lua mailing list >.>`
`02:44.12`	`Cidan`	`Shirik: Know the children system?`
`02:44.31`	`Cidan`	`Shirik: Going to add something new, object:AddTooltipLine("text");`
`02:44.39`	`Cidan`	`then when you mouse over the frame/object, BAM, tooltip`
`02:45.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`BAM! Spice it up.`
`02:46.31`	`Shirik`	`~spicegirls`
`02:46.34`	`Shirik`	`~spice`
`02:46.34`	`purl`	`[spice] a circuit simulation tool, check out spice opus at http://www.fe.uni-lj.si/spice/welcome.html for a small f free implementation of SPICE`
`02:46.38`	`Shirik`	`....`
`02:46.39`	`Shirik`	`not that SPICE`
`02:46.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very not that spice. Try Emeril.`
`02:47.39`	`Cidan`	`~wiki spice`
`02:47.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Vegetative... substance... sigh`
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`02:48.27`	`Cidan`	`Man, so I just shaved my head hair down; man it feels nice`
`02:48.29`	`Shirik`	`but purl's right`
`02:48.35`	`Shirik`	`SPICE is definitely a circuit simulator`
`02:48.40`	`Shirik`	`well, not the simulator`
`02:48.45`	`Shirik`	`but the thing that runs behind the simulator`
`02:49.39`	`Cidan`	`oh wow`
`02:49.42`	`Cidan`	`That's pretty neat`
`02:49.51`	`Shirik`	`hm?`
`02:49.54`	`Cidan`	`I totally suck with all things EE; perhaps this is a nice way to get into it.`
`02:49.59`	`Shirik`	`oh, yeah SPICE is nice and all`
`02:50.02`	`Shirik`	`but it's kinda a pita to use`
`02:50.09`	`Cidan`	`por que?`
`02:50.14`	`Shirik`	`and if you screw something up, the errors are like.... impossible to decipher`
`02:50.37`	`Shirik`	`"singular matrix; timestep too small at node N1 N2"`
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`02:51.28`	`Shirik`	`but it's a nice tool, it helped me validate my transistor logic the other night`
`02:51.57`	`Shirik`	`well, saturday`
`02:54.11`	`Cidan`	`Oh, so that's what you were talking about that night`
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`03:07.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`ChatIgnore was integrated into default ui last patch, right?`
`03:07.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`or 2.3 or somehting`
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`03:13.36`	`TecnoBrat`	`I love your host btw Cairenn`
`03:14.18`	`Cairenn`	`?`
`03:14.25`	`\|pez\|`	`Administratix? :D`
`03:14.38`	`Cairenn`	`hrh`
`03:14.42`	`Cairenn`	`heh*`
`03:14.57`	`Cairenn`	`just washed my fingers, can't do a thing with them`
`03:15.28`	`mikma`	`what did you do with them BEFORE you washed them? ;)`
`03:15.40`	`Cairenn`	`I'll never tell ....`
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`03:16.46`	`mikma`	`something that got them dirty.`
`03:18.27`	`Cairenn`	`wink`
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`03:39.17`	`Shirik`	`mmmmm pocky`
`03:41.51`	`\|pez\|`	`I want pocky :o`
`03:42.54`	`kd3`	`mmm, pocky`
`03:43.01`	`kd3`	`damn you all, now I'm about to go out and buy some`
`03:43.22`	`\|pez\|`	`I can't go buy it. :P`
`03:43.24`	`kd3`	`and heh, brutallus is bugged. can't get him below 1% according to /1`
`03:43.25`	`Iriel`	`back shortly, OSX upgrade permitting`
`03:43.26`	`oreth`	`pokcy is the equivalent of crack for nerd American gaijin`
`03:43.28`	`\|pez\|`	`it's not widely available here.:P`
`03:44.19`	`kd3`	`nerd american gaijin. wow. if that doesn't hit the nail on the head...`
`03:44.20`	`kd3`	`>.>;`
`03:44.33`	`oreth`	`i believe it does`
`03:44.52`	`oreth`	`though, technically, gaijin would be any non-Nihongo-jin`
`03:47.04`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`03:47.09`	`Shirik`	`I like that word, I'll have to use it in the future`
`03:47.12`	`Shirik`	`"non-Nihongo-jin"`
`03:47.25`	`Shirik`	`kd3: It's not just pocky`
`03:47.27`	`Shirik`	`it's giant pocky`
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`03:54.01`	`Seerah`	`look at this :) http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-princess-bride-game/851186p1.html`
`03:54.37`	`Seerah`	`http://www.princessbridegame.com/`
`03:55.08`	`art3mis`	`inconcievable!`
`03:55.23`	`Shirik`	`they're kidding, right?`
`03:55.37`	`Seerah`	`it's for realsies`
`03:55.51`	`Seerah`	`did you read the gamespy article?`
`03:56.10`	`Shirik`	`Do they have an actual license?`
`03:56.12`	`Seerah`	`they're marketing it for the growing woman gamer market and teen girls`
`03:56.33`	`Seerah`	`it says it's the "official princess bride game"`
`03:58.13`	`Seerah`	`there's a gems/coupons sections that says "did you play the 20th anniversary dvd game? redeem your gems and coupons here to receive discounts off of the game"`
`04:02.12`	`Iriel`	`The more important question: Do we have any reason to believe it'll be any good?`
`04:03.53`	`Seerah`	`correct, Iriel :)`
`04:07.22`	`Cidan`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lo6uXwi4M0`
`04:07.24`	`Cidan`	`!!!!!!!!!!`
`04:07.26`	`Cidan`	`!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`04:08.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Do we have a function to get the GUID of our target? (or any other unitid)`
`04:09.24`	`Iriel`	`No`
`04:09.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That would be immensely useful`
`04:10.45`	`oreth`	`damn, guys`
`04:10.52`	`oreth`	`i'm a real gangsta mood tonight`
`04:11.20`	`oreth`	`Cidan: your link shall not deter me`
`04:12.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Iriel: do we not have it simply because it doesn't exist, or because it's not going to happen period?`
`04:12.24`	`Iriel`	`100% A, 50%? B`
`04:12.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If it's the former I'm throwing up the suggestion`
`04:12.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`B as in "no due to we don't want you to have the data that way"`
`04:12.52`	`Cairenn`	`no throwing up in channel please, it's damn hard to get the stains out of the carpet`
`04:12.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's what I meant`
`04:12.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`04:13.37`	`Iriel`	`You should ask in the suggestions thread for sure.. I think they're going to be carefully limiting GUID access, but who knows how much`
`04:13.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, that's why I asked`
`04:13.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`To the suggestions thread!`
`04:14.29`	`Iriel`	`It's possible (though i'd be suprised) they return it already from one of the unit functions as an extra value (though UnitName would be the only candidate, and again, i think it's unlikely)(`
`04:15.06`	`oreth`	`what is GUID?`
`04:15.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~wiki GUID`
`04:16.03`	`oreth`	`Scythe: fantastic`
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`04:18.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Argh`
`04:18.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`DevTools work fine on 2.4?`
`04:22.40`	`Cidan`	`You know, one day I really need to try DevTools`
`04:22.45`	`Cidan`	`Never tried it.`
`04:23.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... you do`
`04:23.22`	`oreth`	`what is devtools?`
`04:23.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~devtools`
`04:23.30`	`purl`	`Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?`
`04:24.38`	`Seerah`	`I like that last sentence :P`
`04:25.59`	`oreth`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API) <-- says it's outta date`
`04:26.03`	`oreth`	`how OUT OF DATE is it?`
`04:26.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Out of date enough to work fine on the PTR it seems`
`04:26.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well, /dump anyways`
`04:26.52`	`oreth`	`no,`
`04:26.59`	`oreth`	`the Events page for the API`
`04:27.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh`
`04:27.12`	`oreth`	`do we still hook events into the XML?`
`04:27.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's perma out of date, but rarely enough to matter`
`04:27.27`	`Iriel`	`Yes, but we use local variables now`
`04:27.37`	`oreth`	`Iriel: explain a bit, please`
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`04:27.45`	`Iriel`	`function On_Event(self, event, ...)`
`04:28.01`	`Iriel`	`Or, if you're using the XML <OnEvent>, those parameters are implied`
`04:28.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And it looks like UnitName does not attach the GUID`
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`04:28.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Suggestion posted.`
`04:28.35`	`oreth`	`do i have to have an <OnEvent> tag in the XML still?`
`04:28.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You do`
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`04:29.35`	`Iriel`	`oreth: You dont HAVE to have one no`
`04:29.46`	`Iriel`	`oreth: You can happily use frame:SetScript("OnEvent", SomeFunction)`
`04:29.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:30.03`	`oreth`	`let me rephrase my question`
`04:30.12`	`oreth`	`what is seen as "The Proper Way"`
`04:30.22`	`oreth`	`also known as "lol scripting"`
`04:31.00`	`Iriel`	`I personally feel both <OnEvent> and SetScript are valid, depending on what you're trying to do`
`04:31.30`	`Iriel`	`if you've got really minimal XML and most of your frame construction/initialization is in lua, then i'd ignore the <OnEvent> altogether and just do SetScript to a handler function`
`04:31.45`	`oreth`	`yeah`
`04:31.48`	`Iriel`	`On the other hand, if you've put most of your code in the XML Script handlers, then i'd do OnEvent there too`
`04:31.55`	`Iriel`	`Most of my OnEvents are functions`
`04:32.06`	`oreth`	`Iriel: the lua is actually created by a python script`
`04:32.10`	`oreth`	`there's quite a bit of it`
`04:32.15`	`oreth`	`and very minimal interface right now`
`04:32.23`	`oreth`	`it's just a metric buttload of data`
`04:33.10`	`oreth`	`but I want to build an interface around the data, now that I have it`
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`04:44.06`	`Cidan`	`oreth: You could be a real man, don't use XML`
`04:44.13`	`oreth`	`considering it`
`04:44.26`	`oreth`	`i'm not a big fan of RPC development`
`04:44.32`	`Cidan`	`XML is fail.`
`04:44.37`	`oreth`	`(did I use that term correctly?)`
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`04:44.52`	`oreth`	`I did some work in Flex actionscript/XML`
`04:45.01`	`Cidan`	`(depends, are you developing an RPC system?)`
`04:45.02`	`oreth`	`I made a really great application at work`
`04:45.23`	`oreth`	`isn't that what wow dev basically is? XML File with Code-Behind?`
`04:45.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Since some time LONG AGO`
`04:45.50`	`Iriel`	`That's not what RPC generally refers to`
`04:45.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You don't need an XML for most addons`
`04:46.03`	`Iriel`	`XML is just a non-code expression of a frame layout`
`04:46.17`	`Cidan`	`~wiki Remote_procedure_call`
`04:46.46`	`oreth`	`other than the "commonly on another computer on a shared network" i used that correctly`
`04:46.57`	`oreth`	`i could build the xml and script seperately`
`04:47.08`	`oreth`	`the XML has no idea what the lua is going to do`
`04:47.10`	`Cidan`	`Or you can not use XML because it sucks.`
`04:47.16`	`oreth`	`Cidan: i agree`
`04:47.22`	`Cidan`	`and well no`
`04:47.24`	`oreth`	`i'm thinking of going at it completely programmatically`
`04:47.35`	`Cidan`	`in this case, RPC would be say, an RPC system between two WoW clients`
`04:47.44`	`oreth`	`I think I nubbed Iriel out of existance`
`04:48.03`	`Legorol`	`XML does not suck, it has its uses`
`04:48.11`	`Cidan`	`Uses?`
`04:48.14`	`Cidan`	`FOR ME TO POOP ON`
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`04:48.27`	`oreth`	`well played`
`04:48.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`04:50.07`	`Cidan`	`I remember when I first learned to make WoW addons (No, not last week, you fuckers) and I started to use XML, etc. Then Blizzard made it so the TOC could load Lua files.`
`04:50.18`	`Cidan`	`I dumped XML as fast as I could. :P`
`04:50.38`	`Legorol`	`uhm.. the TOC and being able to create frames from Lua are nothing to do with each other`
`04:50.44`	`Legorol`	`those are two separate things you are mixing up`
`04:51.08`	`Shirik`	`Cidan: I take it back`
`04:51.13`	`Cidan`	`At one point the TOC could not load Lua files, only XML; this is what I am refering to.`
`04:51.15`	`Legorol`	`anyway, just because you dislike XML, doesn't mean other people are not allowed to like it, or that it doesn't have its uses`
`04:51.21`	`Shirik`	`as awesome as that song is, I cannot forgive his lack of knowledge of music`
`04:51.36`	`Shirik`	`he's in the wrong time signature`
`04:51.40`	`Cidan`	`Legorol: I know this; I think... I forgot who, clad maybe, chewed me out.`
`04:51.42`	`Legorol`	`Cidan: that's correct, but being able to load Lua directly in and of itself didn't allow us to create frames from Lua`
`04:51.43`	`oreth`	`ok`
`04:51.44`	`oreth`	`haha`
`04:51.46`	`Legorol`	`that was a separate change`
`04:51.47`	`oreth`	`i have a message`
`04:51.59`	`oreth`	`expecting '}' near '=' on line 2`
`04:52.06`	`oreth`	`line 2 is like... 3000 characters long`
`04:52.07`	`Legorol`	`syntax error the`
`04:52.17`	`Legorol`	`*there`
`04:52.21`	`Cidan`	`Either way, yes, again, I dislike XML, and I think it's worthless, :P`
`04:52.34`	`Legorol`	`and that's your opinion`
`04:52.41`	`Cidan`	`Correct-o.`
`04:52.47`	`Legorol`	`my opinion is that when you code a UI, you have to describe two things: structure, and function`
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`04:52.53`	`oreth`	`how do you debug something 3000 characters long? :(`
`04:52.59`	`Legorol`	`XML is perfect for describing structure, Lua for function :)`
`04:53.05`	`Legorol`	`good separation of the two roles`
`04:53.06`	`oreth`	`i missing an opening brace.. in a table`
`04:53.16`	`oreth`	`that's created by a python script`
`04:53.21`	`Cidan`	`Lua is perfect for describing structure AND function, :P`
`04:53.24`	`Legorol`	`oreth: why do you have a line that's 3000 chars long?`
`04:53.34`	`Legorol`	`another thing in favour of XML:`
`04:53.38`	`oreth`	`it's a table created by a python scriptp`
`04:53.48`	`Legorol`	`addon authors need to learn how the frame system works, what its components are etc.`
`04:54.05`	`Cidan`	`Easier (for me) to do that in Lua`
`04:54.12`	`Cidan`	`makes more sense.`
`04:54.13`	`Legorol`	`XML describe that clearer than Lua does, because it is a direct description of the structural elements`
`04:54.25`	`Cidan`	`I think it depends on learning style, perhaps?`
`04:54.31`	`Legorol`	`sure`
`04:54.57`	`Legorol`	`the way i see it, ultimately what you need to learn is the structures you are able to create`
`04:54.59`	`Cidan`	`To me, XML is a cluster-fuck of nest within nest of crazy babble`
`04:55.07`	`Legorol`	`whether you create those structures from XML or Lua is secondary`
`04:55.14`	`Cidan`	`This is truth`
`04:55.19`	`Legorol`	`on an abstract level, it's the structures and elements available that you need to be aware of`
`04:55.34`	`oreth`	`I take that back...`
`04:55.37`	`Cidan`	`The main reason I use Lua though is because Conspiracy recycles everything`
`04:55.39`	`Legorol`	`now, having realised that you need structure, how you teach someone what the available structures are is a different matter entirely`
`04:55.40`	`Cidan`	`even frames`
`04:55.42`	`Cidan`	`are reused`
`04:55.44`	`oreth`	`line 2 is 20,000 characters long :O`
`04:55.45`	`Cidan`	`nothing is static.`
`04:56.20`	`Legorol`	`and i'm just of the opinion that if you need to describe structure, you better do that with something that's for structure.. and not for algorithms`
`04:56.29`	`Legorol`	`that's all`
`04:56.35`	`Cidan`	`Eh, I disagree.`
`04:56.47`	`Shirik`	`--> print(1)`
`04:56.52`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > maximum execution time/memory exceeded`
`04:56.59`	`Shirik`	`o...kay.`
`04:57.06`	`Cidan`	`hahaha`
`04:57.06`	`Shirik`	`--> print("1")`
`04:57.11`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > maximum execution time/memory exceeded`
`04:57.16`	`Shirik`	`I think I didn't start up this bot correctly`
`04:57.22`	`Legorol`	`in every programming environment where you create GUI elements by having lines of code with stuff like "create a frame, create a button" type instructions, i tend to go nuts :)`
`04:57.22`	`Cidan`	`--> print("This was a triumph.");`
`04:57.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hahaha`
`04:57.25`	`Shirik`	`I think that module I commented out was wrong`
`04:57.27`	`batbot`	`Cidan: > maximum execution time/memory exceeded`
`04:57.33`	`Shirik`	`kill 1330`
`04:57.34`	`Shirik`	`er`
`04:57.38`	`oreth`	`is there anyway to tell what character a line fails on?`
`04:57.42`	`Legorol`	`why do i have to convert the description of structure into an algorithm for creating that structure, why can't i just describe the structure`
`04:57.52`	`Cidan`	`Legorol: That's the best way for me to work on it.`
`04:57.59`	`Legorol`	`but again, that's my personal opinion`
`04:58.14`	`Legorol`	`i go nuts from having to think of structures in terms of the steps needed to create it`
`04:58.22`	`Legorol`	`i want to describe it, not describe how to create it :)`
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`04:58.30`	`Cidan`	`In essence, you are doing the same thing; if I wanted to I could tab out the Lua code so it looks like XML, sans the braces.`
`04:58.41`	`Legorol`	`then you are missing the poit`
`04:58.43`	`Legorol`	`*point`
`04:58.50`	`Legorol`	`it's an abstract point`
`04:58.53`	`Cidan`	`No no, I understand, it's the abstraction`
`04:58.54`	`Cidan`	`yes`
`04:58.55`	`Cidan`	`I know`
`04:59.01`	`Legorol`	`sure, you can use indentation etc.`
`04:59.22`	`Cidan`	`But for me, creating and mutating the object makes more sense than say, defining it.`
`04:59.24`	`Legorol`	`Lua is still executed code, so it's an algorithm for creating a structure, not a description`
`04:59.28`	`Cidan`	`I suppose this is why I like C and ASM`
`04:59.33`	`Cidan`	`and I'm not a huge fan of C++`
`04:59.36`	`Cidan`	`nor Java, etc.`
`04:59.47`	`Legorol`	`funnily enough, i was going to apply the same criticism to Java`
`05:00.03`	`Legorol`	`most of the GUI work in Java consisted of the same sort of thing: you create GUI elements from code one by one`
`05:00.18`	`Cidan`	`For Swing?`
`05:00.20`	`Cidan`	`no way`
`05:00.22`	`Cidan`	`lol`
`05:00.26`	`Legorol`	`yup`
`05:00.33`	`Cidan`	`Perhaps its functions`
`05:00.36`	`oreth`	`is there a limit on the number of entries in a table?`
`05:00.38`	`Legorol`	`i'm a descriptive kind of guy, so that's why for me describing an object makes more sense than describing how to create it ;-)`
`05:00.49`	`Legorol`	`oreth: theoretically, no`
`05:00.54`	`Legorol`	`practically, limited by available memory`
`05:01.12`	`oreth`	`ok`
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`05:01.17`	`Iriel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:01.27`	`Iriel`	`There's a limit to how many entries you can have in a table initializer`
`05:01.29`	`Legorol`	`and if you have strings in your table (for example using strings as the keys), you are limited by the maximum size of the Lua string constant table`
`05:01.33`	`Cidan`	`I would rather create the object and handle it my self. Makes more sense to me shrug`
`05:01.50`	`Legorol`	`Iriel: what's a table initializer?`
`05:02.02`	`Iriel`	`X = { blah, blah, blah }`
`05:02.12`	`Iriel`	`(Only by virtue of the constant limit for a compiled function)`
`05:02.26`	`Legorol`	`ah ok, but i could always split it if i chose to, right?`
`05:02.27`	`Iriel`	`but that's a very real limit for WoW saved variables, or single-file initializers`
`05:02.35`	`oreth`	`regardless:`
`05:02.35`	`Legorol`	`right`
`05:02.36`	`oreth`	`<OnEvent>GuildTools_OnEvent();</OnEvent>`
`05:02.40`	`Iriel`	`Yuck`
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`05:02.44`	`oreth`	`yes?`
`05:02.48`	`Legorol`	`lol, i knew Iriel would go yuck`
`05:02.49`	`Iriel`	`That should be GuildTools_OnEvent(self, event, ...)`
`05:02.56`	`Legorol`	`it works, it's just not the recommended way of doing it`
`05:03.05`	`oreth`	`oh`
`05:03.06`	`Iriel`	`or <OnLoad>self:SetScript("OnEvent", GuildTools_OnEvent)</OnLoad>`
`05:03.10`	`Legorol`	`emphasis on SHOULD and not MUST`
`05:03.10`	`Iriel`	`depending if you want early or late binding`
`05:03.39`	`oreth`	`ok`
`05:03.43`	`oreth`	`python style`
`05:04.53`	`oreth`	`are you using ... in reference to the operator in reference to (other variables go here)`
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`05:05.45`	`oreth`	`wow`
`05:05.57`	`oreth`	`... is a lua keyword/operator, yes?`
`05:06.02`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`05:06.17`	`Shirik`	`it's the vararg identifier`
`05:06.28`	`Shirik`	`lua> function f(...) print(...) end; f(1,2,3);`
`05:06.28`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: 1, 2, 3`
`05:07.13`	`art3mis`	`meh`
`05:07.20`	`art3mis`	`got an interview at 10am tomorrow`
`05:07.27`	`art3mis`	`at least i fixed my coffee machine`
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`05:08.04`	`art3mis`	`granted it is a 50-65k/yr tech position`
`05:08.13`	`art3mis`	`hey`
`05:08.29`	`oreth`	`ok`
`05:08.30`	`art3mis`	`have any of you ever setup a voip(asterix) office phone system?`
`05:08.31`	`oreth`	`http://menlar.chasesdream.com/images/work/flex/flex_controller.swf`
`05:08.38`	`oreth`	`i created the app that movie is showing off`
`05:08.53`	`oreth`	`i had the option of creating the interface in XML, or, creating it programmatically in Actionscript`
`05:08.56`	`oreth`	`I chose the seconed`
`05:09.15`	`oreth`	`it actually reminded me alot of wow addon dev... except.. in actionscript`
`05:11.40`	`oreth`	`All the coolest shit I create at work, is on the local network`
`05:11.44`	`Cidan`	`hehe.`
`05:11.58`	`Cidan`	`lower level == owns`
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`05:12.27`	`oreth`	`the only public stuff I can show off is : http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=AAPL&submit.x=0&submit.y=0`
`05:12.38`	`oreth`	`and the Mutual Fund Centre for ScotTrade`
`05:12.40`	`art3mis`	`thats pretty rad oreth`
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`05:13.05`	`Cidan`	`That is indeed.`
`05:13.20`	`oreth`	`art3mis: yeah, very rarely do I go back to my work.. .but everytime I look at that video I go "Damn, that was pretty slick, wasn't it?"`
`05:14.01`	`oreth`	`and my other big project is my ircbot`
`05:14.32`	`oreth`	`she interfaces with a Rash QDBS on mysql as well as she gets market updates, queries the wow armory, and even speaks in lolcat`
`05:14.59`	`Cidan`	`neat`
`05:15.02`	`Cidan`	`What is she coded in?`
`05:15.07`	`oreth`	`python <3`
`05:15.20`	`Cidan`	`Okay I suppose`
`05:15.30`	`Cidan`	`We have a bot that does the wow armory actually`
`05:15.56`	`oreth`	`Cidan: do you have Aim?`
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`05:16.01`	`Cidan`	`But of course.`
`05:16.30`	`oreth`	`send a message to wowarmory with the message Knikon on Kel'Thuzad`
`05:17.54`	`Cidan`	`oh shit`
`05:17.55`	`Cidan`	`neat`
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`05:18.31`	`oreth`	`it accepts "CHARACTER" any_middle_string "Realm"`
`05:18.54`	`Cidan`	`fast too`
`05:18.55`	`Cidan`	`real fast.`
`05:19.00`	`oreth`	`yeah :P`
`05:19.02`	`art3mis`	`faster than a truck?`
`05:19.09`	`oreth`	`so...`
`05:19.33`	`oreth`	`this is gonna be a bit intense, so hang on`
`05:19.46`	`Shirik`	`?`
`05:19.49`	`oreth`	`I wrote a python script, that crawls your wtf/Account/ folder`
`05:20.00`	`oreth`	`it then finds Server folders underneath each account`
`05:20.06`	`oreth`	`and then characters in each server folder`
`05:20.27`	`oreth`	`then, it goes out to the armory, and gets profession and spec information for every character in every guild your toons are in`
`05:20.43`	`Cidan`	`jeez...`
`05:20.45`	`oreth`	`then, writes a lua table[server][guild][toon]`
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`05:21.03`	`oreth`	`that can be referenced by typing "/gt (guildtools) Toon"`
`05:21.06`	`oreth`	`or, by mousing over them`
`05:21.12`	`Cidan`	`oh... neat?`
`05:21.13`	`oreth`	`everything works... except the mousing over part`
`05:21.17`	`Cidan`	`lol`
`05:21.42`	`oreth`	`also, you can add toons that aren't in your guild`
`05:21.57`	`oreth`	`if the toon you /gt on isn't in the table, it adds it to the que to be added`
`05:22.06`	`oreth`	`oh`
`05:22.08`	`oreth`	`that's the other thing`
`05:22.10`	`Cidan`	`so the next time the script is run, huh.`
`05:22.13`	`Cidan`	`That's creative.`
`05:22.32`	`oreth`	`everytime you update, it writes into you savedvariable files for quick referencing`
`05:22.38`	`Legorol`	`sorry to burst your bubble, but isn't there already an in-game armory addon?`
`05:22.52`	`oreth`	`Legorol, i'm sure there is`
`05:22.57`	`Legorol`	`feel free to shoot me to pieces if i'm wrong`
`05:23.04`	`oreth`	`i dunno`
`05:23.23`	`oreth`	`I've really only actively used 3 addons`
`05:23.26`	`oreth`	`OneBag`
`05:23.29`	`oreth`	`Auctioneer,`
`05:23.31`	`oreth`	`Minimalist`
`05:23.40`	`oreth`	`a few nights ago, i had my first need for omen`
`05:23.52`	`Legorol`	`started raiding?`
`05:23.57`	`oreth`	`"Started"`
`05:24.10`	`oreth`	`shit, I was learning MC when it first came out`
`05:24.24`	`oreth`	`first raid since the expansion`
`05:24.38`	`oreth`	`i've been PvPing my ass off for the time i've been playing`
`05:24.53`	`oreth`	`it was a "damn, that was a long time ago"`
`05:24.54`	`Legorol`	`is that meant to convey surprise, or "don't fuck with me", or ..`
`05:24.58`	`Legorol`	`right`
`05:25.00`	`Legorol`	`that's what i figured`
`05:25.01`	`oreth`	`but rolled into a "shit"`
`05:25.05`	`oreth`	`haha`
`05:25.08`	`Cidan`	`I use a shit ton of addons, :/`
`05:25.12`	`Cidan`	`Bongos, OneBag`
`05:25.16`	`oreth`	`"Don't fuck with me" :(`
`05:25.18`	`Cidan`	`RDX.Cid (duh)`
`05:25.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`05:25.23`	`Cidan`	`and tons of others`
`05:25.29`	`oreth`	`I'm sorry to say i've run into that mentality`
`05:25.35`	`oreth`	`then i just squash them with my warlock`
`05:25.51`	`Legorol`	`speaking of MC...`
`05:26.03`	`Legorol`	`couple of us from my guild did a retro-MC run this weekend`
`05:26.19`	`Legorol`	`my priest alt, currently in the process of leveling, got some BOE epics as a result :D`
`05:26.22`	`oreth`	`I hated MC so muc`
`05:26.46`	`oreth`	`8 hours of boring boredom`
`05:26.54`	`Cidan`	`The first two or three times, MC rocked`
`05:26.55`	`Legorol`	`then why did you do it`
`05:26.58`	`Cidan`	`by about the fourth time, zzzzzzzz`
`05:27.06`	`oreth`	`phat purpz?`
`05:27.16`	`oreth`	`i did have fun on Major Domo`
`05:27.20`	`oreth`	`after UA came out`
`05:27.24`	`Legorol`	`then you didn't hate it enough ;-)`
`05:27.41`	`oreth`	`UA'd the Guardians that reflected shadow magic`
`05:27.42`	`Legorol`	`amusing incident in retro-MC raid:`
`05:27.53`	`oreth`	`and started watching the priests drop after cleansing me`
`05:28.03`	`oreth`	`so much fun :P`
`05:28.03`	`Legorol`	`there was a guildmember who consistently used to pull Golemagg and wipe the raid by falling of the bridge that passes above him`
`05:28.52`	`Legorol`	`so we decided to honor that tradidition and kill Gole by jumping on top of him with our leet 70s... and wiped ^^`
`05:29.09`	`Legorol`	`second try we managed luckily`
`05:29.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I remember pulling aggro on Golemagg once`
`05:29.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That was all kinds of fun`
`05:30.52`	`oreth`	`over heard in Shattrath`
`05:30.57`	`Legorol`	`we had a big issue this weekend.. with such a small group, and most of them never having done MC, only couple of us had Quintessences`
`05:30.58`	`oreth`	`"Where Do I buy Perfume?"`
`05:31.06`	`oreth`	`"- AT JCPENNEY'S, IF YOU'RE A CHEAP SKATE"`
`05:31.10`	`Legorol`	`the 1h cooldown meant we were going too fast for our own good and couldn't douze all the runes :D`
`05:32.53`	`oreth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:32.59`	`oreth`	`^^ still the correct way to register events?`
`05:33.05`	`oreth`	`i'm looking at my old /wipe mod`
`05:33.08`	`oreth`	`"ZOMG, WIPE!"`
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`05:34.17`	`oreth`	`I rewrote that addon to use ace about a year and a half back`
`05:34.32`	`oreth`	`it was a worthless use of Ace :P`
`05:39.26`	`oreth`	`http://menlar.chasesdream.com/wow/AceWipe.zip`
`05:39.55`	`oreth`	`i'm gonna have to re-install that`
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`05:42.10`	`Cidan`	`I'm hoping, one day`
`05:42.17`	`Cidan`	`to code a replacement for Fubar`
`05:42.22`	`Cidan`	`using Conspiracy`
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`05:44.19`	`Cidan`	`and prolly autobar, :/`
`05:44.31`	`Cidan`	`I still use the old Elkano Buff Bars that's pre-ace`
`05:44.37`	`Cidan`	`broke with last patch, fixed it.`
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`05:46.01`	`oreth`	`ok`
`05:46.14`	`oreth`	`i can get a mob/pc name with UnitName`
`05:46.18`	`oreth`	`how do I get UnitType`
`05:46.26`	`Cidan`	`unit type...?`
`05:46.27`	`oreth`	`IE PC/Mob/NPC`
`05:46.47`	`Syzgyn`	`you need the flags`
`05:46.58`	`Syzgyn`	`I think`
`05:47.05`	`oreth`	`ooh..`
`05:47.11`	`oreth`	`it's the code version of "Capture the Flag"`
`05:47.15`	`Syzgyn`	`lol`
`05:47.19`	`Cidan`	`UnitIsPlayer(uid)`
`05:47.26`	`oreth`	`uid?`
`05:47.28`	`oreth`	`oh`
`05:47.28`	`oreth`	`nm`
`05:48.39`	`Shirik`	`!ap 1566`
`05:48.39`	`ThraeBot`	`Shirik: Arena points from a rating of 1566 is, 2v2: 320, 3v3: 370, 5v5: 421`
`05:48.41`	`oreth`	`do you guys have a command bar just for developement?`
`05:49.02`	`Cidan`	`oreth: 'splain?`
`05:49.06`	`Syzgyn`	`like a prompt?`
`05:49.11`	`oreth`	`no`
`05:49.20`	`oreth`	`let me preface this by explaining a bit`
`05:49.24`	`Guillotin1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:49.25`	`oreth`	`i play with my keyboard`
`05:49.36`	`oreth`	`the numpad is keyed to my main action bar`
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`05:49.50`	`oreth`	`1-0 and +- *./`
`05:49.58`	`Syzgyn`	`ok...`
`05:50.09`	`oreth`	`then, my alternative bars are control or alt and the numpad`
`05:50.25`	`oreth`	`that gives me something like... 40 available actions at anymoment`
`05:50.41`	`oreth`	`i set up development tools on page 2 of my action bar`
`05:50.44`	`oreth`	`reload ui`
`05:50.46`	`oreth`	`show swatter`
`05:50.47`	`Beladona`	`my guild just downed Vashj for the first time`
`05:50.48`	`oreth`	`clear swatter`
`05:50.49`	`Beladona`	`YAY`
`05:50.52`	`Syzgyn`	`congrats :D`
`05:50.56`	`Cidan`	`Beladona: Good job, :P`
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`05:51.02`	`Beladona`	`and I got the healing ring`
`05:51.03`	`Cidan`	`oreth: I get what you mean now, no, I don't.`
`05:51.11`	`Cidan`	`oreth: because I don't really need one...`
`05:51.23`	`oreth`	`are you saying that your code-fu is that strong?`
`05:51.33`	`Syzgyn`	`I get what you're saying, I still dont get what you initially asked`
`05:51.39`	`Cidan`	`depends, I may just have another way of doing what you do`
`05:51.45`	`Cidan`	`What do you use your bar for?`
`05:52.05`	`oreth`	`debugging, reloading the ui, clearing errors, running short scripts`
`05:52.24`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah, I use a few macros for that sort of stuff`
`05:52.32`	`Cidan`	`I don't`
`05:52.37`	`Cidan`	`I just /reloadui`
`05:52.40`	`Cidan`	`that's about it`
`05:52.46`	`oreth`	`ahh`
`05:53.02`	`Syzgyn`	`I use /rl, and macros for whatever I'm testing at the moment`
`05:53.09`	`oreth`	`i was just wondering if there was a "development UI"`
`05:53.16`	`Cidan`	`~devtools`
`05:53.17`	`purl`	`Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?`
`05:53.28`	`Cidan`	`I hear it's good, I don't use it though`
`05:53.31`	`Cidan`	`I've no need, I guess.`
`05:53.33`	`Syzgyn`	`shrug I'm on the PTR, its not worth setting up a whole UI`
`05:53.40`	`Iriel`	`DevTools is vaguely handy for a couple of things`
`05:53.50`	`Iriel`	`gives you /dump, /dtevents, and /dtframestack`
`05:54.01`	`oreth`	`dtevents?`
`05:54.05`	`oreth`	`will that let me fire events?`
`05:55.15`	`oreth`	`cause i would just be happier than a nub in his first purple`
`05:55.21`	`oreth`	`aww yeah`
`05:55.23`	`Cidan`	`haha oh wow`
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`05:56.34`	`Syzgyn`	`I was about to say, there are 3 ckknights!`
`05:57.39`	`Guillotine`	`ck: can you not access the Apple network?`
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`06:04.27`	`oreth`	`UIErrorFrame:Clear()`
`06:04.28`	`oreth`	`er...`
`06:04.31`	`oreth`	`wrong window`
`06:04.55`	`Cidan`	`YEAH GOD THAT MAKES ME SO HOT CHRIST TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR GOLD FISH JESUS CHRIST`
`06:04.59`	`Cidan`	`er...`
`06:05.00`	`Cidan`	`wrong window`
`06:05.36`	`oreth`	`THAT CIDAN GUY CAN TOUCH MY MOOBS ANYDAY`
`06:05.38`	`oreth`	`er...`
`06:05.39`	`Syzgyn`	`well played sir`
`06:05.41`	`oreth`	`RIGHT window`
`06:05.53`	`Cidan`	`Shit yeah I can`
`06:05.59`	`Cidan`	`NEED I REMIND YOU ALL THAT I AM HOT`
`06:06.05`	`Cidan`	`http://emoemu.com/cidan.jpg`
`06:06.07`	`Syzgyn`	`pics or it didnt happen`
`06:06.31`	`Cidan`	`That's Shirik's favorite pic`
`06:06.33`	`Syzgyn`	`RAAH GATORADE`
`06:06.42`	`Iriel`	`Is that a gatorade sippy cup?`
`06:06.52`	`Cidan`	`Yes, yes it is. D:`
`06:07.03`	`Syzgyn`	`you look like someone peed in your gatorade`
`06:07.19`	`Cidan`	`My girlfriend asked me to turn around while I was drinking`
`06:07.27`	`Cidan`	`I was thinking, "wtf does she want?"`
`06:07.28`	`Cidan`	`woosh`
`06:07.30`	`Cidan`	`picture`
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`06:07.40`	`Cidan`	`Shirik insists I took that picture on purpose, D:`
`06:08.23`	`oreth`	`oh`
`06:08.24`	`oreth`	`pictures huh?`
`06:08.47`	`Thrae`	`Sheesh. My Mom is so bored at Level 70 sometimes. She decoded the Orcish language.`
`06:08.52`	`Syzgyn`	`"Hm, what is it that would make her distract me from my tasty, thirst quenching beverage?"`
`06:09.01`	`Syzgyn`	`lol`
`06:09.37`	`oreth`	`http://neuron.chasesdream.com/pvponline/oreth_shocker_cello.jpg`
`06:09.42`	`Thrae`	`Not the entire encoding process mind you, just certain letter / space combinations that appear in English to the other side.`
`06:09.48`	`Syzgyn`	`I tried decoding Darnassian once, but it turns out theres like, 10 different phrases that translate into the same thing :S`
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`06:12.02`	`Cidan`	`man I wish I played the cello, D:`
`06:12.19`	`Syzgyn`	`I dont think many people say that in their lives`
`06:12.25`	`Syzgyn`	`(No offense to Chello players)`
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`06:14.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cidan, so learn to play it`
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`06:14.34`	`Thrae`	`Problems with re-using models -- "Is that Horde riding that Tauren Cat Druid? ...Oh wait, it has wings."`
`06:14.35`	`oreth`	`if (~boolValue) then`
`06:14.38`	`oreth`	`is that proper syntax?`
`06:14.47`	`oreth`	`if (not true) then ?`
`06:15.15`	`Cidan`	`no need for ( )`
`06:15.20`	`Cidan`	`if not true then`
`06:15.23`	`Cidan`	`blah`
`06:15.24`	`Cidan`	`end`
`06:15.25`	`oreth`	`but that's correct?`
`06:15.27`	`Syzgyn`	`yea`
`06:15.30`	`oreth`	`~ is not`
`06:15.42`	`Syzgyn`	`if not true then`
`06:15.43`	`Syzgyn`	`that is`
`06:15.44`	`Shirik`	`no`
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`06:15.50`	`Shirik`	`there is no ~ unary operator`
`06:15.54`	`Cidan`	`I don't think ~ is unary`
`06:15.54`	`Shirik`	`you MUST use not`
`06:15.57`	`Cidan`	`ya`
`06:16.01`	`Syzgyn`	`thats what I'm saying :P`
`06:16.07`	`oreth`	`the word "not"`
`06:16.25`	`Shirik`	`as in`
`06:16.35`	`oreth`	`if not findItem(needle,haystack) then`
`06:16.35`	`Shirik`	`if not batbotIsWorking()`
`06:16.40`	`Shirik`	`self:kill();`
`06:16.41`	`Shirik`	`end`
`06:17.01`	`oreth`	`self:kill(); -- Goodbye cruel world </drama>`
`06:17.08`	`oreth`	`s/drama/emo/`
`06:17.19`	`oreth`	`whoa.. that's handy`
`06:17.58`	`Syzgyn`	`in other news, I <3 the new combat log`
`06:18.38`	`oreth`	`i dunno if this is practical`
`06:18.40`	`oreth`	`but it sure is cool`
`06:18.54`	`Syzgyn`	`what is`
`06:18.55`	`Syzgyn`	`?`
`06:19.03`	`oreth`	`i just walked around shatrath, moused over a whole assload of people, and just mousing over them added them to armory que`
`06:19.22`	`Syzgyn`	`hm, nifty`
`06:19.33`	`Iriel`	`You pick up a LOT of units with mouseover`
`06:19.39`	`Iriel`	`even without trying`
`06:20.03`	`Syzgyn`	`I should write a quick mod that counts how many mouseover units I get in a session`
`06:20.16`	`Syzgyn`	`I bet its in the thousands`
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`06:23.15`	`oreth`	`ok guys`
`06:23.15`	`oreth`	`11:30`
`06:23.19`	`oreth`	`i've got work in the morning`
`06:23.21`	`oreth`	`peace out`
`06:23.24`	`Cidan`	`11:30?`
`06:23.25`	`Cidan`	`wimp`
`06:23.27`	`Cidan`	`christ`
`06:23.31`	`Cidan`	`0023 here`
`06:23.34`	`Cidan`	`no wait`
`06:23.36`	`Cidan`	`0123`
`06:23.44`	`Syzgyn`	`east coast FTW`
`06:23.56`	`oreth`	`i have an hour commute :\|`
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`06:24.33`	`Cidan`	`So do I`
`06:24.35`	`Cidan`	`wimp`
`06:24.36`	`Cidan`	`WIMP`
`06:24.50`	`oreth`	`I have a naked wife waiting for me in bed`
`06:24.57`	`Cidan`	`oh`
`06:24.58`	`Cidan`	`win`
`06:25.05`	`Cidan`	`my girlfriend already passed out`
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`06:25.06`	`Cairenn`	`and you're here, why?`
`06:25.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`but your married...so...nothings going to happen`
`06:25.11`	`Cidan`	`granted, she's HALF naked`
`06:25.19`	`oreth`	`Cairren: Cause she's doing the damn Valentine's quest on her laptop :\|`
`06:25.34`	`Cairenn`	`rofl`
`06:26.01`	`oreth`	`"I WANTZ MAH CUE PEE"`
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`06:26.15`	`oreth`	`anyhow`
`06:26.22`	`oreth`	`she just finished this leg of it`
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`06:28.27`	`Cidan`	`okay`
`06:28.27`	`Cidan`	`So`
`06:28.32`	`Cidan`	`Who's going to Paris with me?`
`06:28.43`	`Cidan`	`June 28-29`
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`06:29.25`	`Corrodias`	`NO`
`06:29.41`	`Cidan`	`NO IS JUST ON BACKWARDS`
`06:29.50`	`Cidan`	`IT'S ON`
`06:31.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cidan i want to go....your paying right?`
`06:31.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`err...for one day?`
`06:31.49`	`Corrodias`	`valentine's day is on Live?`
`06:31.53`	`Syzgyn`	`yes`
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`06:31.58`	`Corrodias`	`oh snap`
`06:32.25`	`Cidan`	`Thunder_Child: No, D:`
`06:32.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cidan, no to which?`
`06:32.37`	`Cidan`	`It's for the Blizzard world wide inv`
`06:32.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`meh, i dont have enough interest in that`
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`06:37.16`	`Corrodias`	`lunar festival PLUS valentine's day???`
`06:37.22`	`Corrodias`	`this is madness`
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`06:39.51`	`Syzgyn`	`Is there some way to get the actual spellID from your spellbook?`
`06:40.34`	`MentalPower`	`Syzgyn: getspelllink or whatever its called`
`06:40.46`	`Guillotine`	`Syzgyn: in 2.4`
`06:41.21`	`Syzgyn`	`I know you can get it from the new combat log`
`06:41.43`	`Syzgyn`	`basically what I'm trying to do is tie a spellID to the name and rank in game`
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`06:42.16`	`MentalPower`	`wowarmory be down`
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`06:42.40`	`Syzgyn`	`It's up and down`
`06:42.47`	`Syzgyn`	`try again in 5 min or so`
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`06:48.42`	`Syzgyn`	`or, Opera decided to stop playing nice`
`06:49.39`	`Syzgyn`	`Nope, definitely my internet`
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`07:02.52`	`Corrodias`	`cark.`
`07:02.54`	`Corrodias`	`why isn't that a word?`
`07:03.16`	`Corrodias`	`oh, because we have "carp"`
`07:04.12`	`Lukian`	`"cark it"`
`07:04.15`	`Lukian`	`it's slang :p`
`07:08.12`	`Corrodias`	`CRAM IT, BELUCCI`
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`07:42.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`~boobs`
`07:42.00`	`purl`	`boobs are awesome`
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`07:44.12`	`purl`	`AnduinLothar: thanks`
`07:45.51`	`Corrodias`	`i prefer "breasts"`
`07:46.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`~breasts`
`07:46.57`	`purl`	`it has been said that breasts is to woman what gcc is to linux`
`07:47.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh`
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`07:53.20`	`kd3`	`ahahaha!`
`07:53.27`	`kd3`	`someone enslaved brutallus and dragged him to the camp`
`07:54.45`	`Corrodias`	`enslavable boss. probably unintented.`
`07:55.21`	`kd3`	`first thing I did was hit alt=leftclick and file a bug report`
`07:55.24`	`kd3`	`6.2M hp, apparently`
`07:55.38`	`Guillotine`	`rofl`
`07:55.58`	`kd3`	`the casting lag is horrible`
`07:56.01`	`kd3`	`~8sec fireballcasts`
`07:56.05`	`Corrodias`	`whoa, that's a lot of HP`
`07:56.32`	`kd3`	`pitbull keeps bouncing around`
`07:56.35`	`kd3`	`gonna call it an even 6`
`07:57.13`	`kd3`	`and he's bugged. 1% and not dying`
`07:57.16`	`kd3`	`lmfao`
`07:59.11`	`Guillotine`	`night all`
`07:59.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`nighty night`
`07:59.23`	`Cairenn`	`night Guillotine, sweet dreams :)`
`07:59.24`	`kd3`	`server's gonna crash soon at this rate`
`07:59.26`	`kd3`	`ahahaha`
`07:59.33`	`Guillotine`	`Cairenn: night`
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`08:12.40`	`kd3`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Brutallus#Gallery`
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`08:24.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, I've never touched an EditBox before. Or, rather, anything outside of a button.`
`08:24.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/82079`
`08:24.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That is only displaying a single line for me :/`
`08:25.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Er wait a sec`
`08:25.30`	`_Chloe`	`Any trick to using Texture:SetTexture? GetTexture retrieves the original texture but SetTexture isn't changing it.`
`08:25.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Never mind...`
`08:26.49`	`MentalPower`	`_Chloe: what texture are you tring to set?`
`08:28.45`	`_Chloe`	`Basically the addon I'm writing uses a full-screen warning that uses a custom texture. I wanted the user to be able to choose from different ones.`
`08:32.02`	`MentalPower`	`and you created said textures?`
`08:32.09`	`_Chloe`	`yes`
`08:32.18`	`_Chloe`	`and they work when you hard code them into the frame`
`08:33.20`	`MentalPower`	`./run frame:SetTexture(newTexture) ChatFrame1:AddMessage(frame:GetTexture())`
`08:33.26`	`MentalPower`	`I have a hunch`
`08:33.58`	`_Chloe`	`using that same basic code with myDebug and it returns the old texture`
`08:34.00`	`MentalPower`	`then do ./run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(frame:GetTexture()) a few secs later`
`08:34.16`	`MentalPower`	`ok, what are you passing to setTexture?`
`08:34.26`	`_Chloe`	`a string`
`08:34.33`	`MentalPower`	`duh, what string`
`08:34.37`	`Tem`	`don't forget to escape \`
`08:34.42`	`MentalPower`	`what Tem said`
`08:34.49`	`Tem`	`"Interface\\Addons\\MyAddon\\texturename"`
`08:34.49`	`MentalPower`	`but I was being more dramatic :P`
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`08:35.08`	`MentalPower`	`Tem stole my thinder`
`08:35.13`	`Tem`	`:(`
`08:35.16`	`_Chloe`	`lol yeah I forgot the damned ecape char`
`08:35.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`How would I scroll an EditBox? I made a ScrollFrame, did SetPoint() on the scroll frame, and then SetChildScroll() to the EditBox frame. ... nothing is visible. :/`
`08:35.19`	`MentalPower`	`s/thi/thu/`
`08:35.31`	`_Chloe`	`<3 you guys`
`08:36.03`	`_Chloe`	`I've done that with sounds before, dunno why I didn't do it here lol`
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`08:36.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Does the scrolled frame need to be parented to the scroll frame?`
`08:36.57`	`MentalPower`	`ScytheBlade1: check how the quest frame does it`
`08:37.04`	`MentalPower`	`I have no clue`
`08:37.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hmm`
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`08:38.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart MentalPower`
`08:38.28`	`purl`	`takes out a cattle prod and gives MentalPower a good jolt`
`08:38.51`	`MentalPower`	`~lart Thunder_Child`
`08:38.51`	`purl`	`grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Thunder_Child until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with`
`08:41.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, that's doing the exact same thing I'm doing`
`08:42.28`	`MentalPower`	`~wtf secd`
`08:42.42`	`MentalPower`	`~secd`
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`08:49.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'll play with this later`
`08:49.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sleep!`
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`09:00.48`	`kd3`	`ahaha`
`09:00.56`	`kd3`	`getting something at 330K/s atm`
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`09:17.28`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Good evening.`
`09:17.42`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hey AlexanderYoshi :)`
`09:17.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`night all`
`09:17.56`	`nevcairiel`	`night cair`
`09:18.06`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Anyone try to dissect the combat log code yet?`
`09:18.27`	`Tem`	`loads of people`
`09:18.29`	`nevcairiel`	`a little`
`09:18.44`	`Tem`	`Antiarc, ping`
`09:18.52`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Anything useful yet?`
`09:22.07`	`nevcairiel`	`just figuring out how stuff works so far`
`09:22.38`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Did anyone see the right click debug menu on the PTR?`
`09:22.56`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`You can right click on the buttons and text and a coder debug menu pops up`
`09:23.55`	`nevcairiel`	`oh doh my lvl 1 died again :P`
`09:24.02`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`nice job!`
`09:24.53`	`nevcairiel`	`oh that rightclick menu is quite handy`
`09:26.49`	`nevcairiel`	`will that be in live as well? i would miss it :)`
`09:27.16`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Who knows`
`09:27.23`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`They said it was a work in progress.`
`09:27.48`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`If you didn't even find that menu, what are the chances of them keeping it? :-/`
`09:28.05`	`nevcairiel`	`Ya well i dont run around right clicking everything`
`09:28.15`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`nobody does really`
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`09:31.16`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Anyone here running Black Temple?`
`09:31.33`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`09:31.53`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`do you have any WWS reports with destro locks in it?`
`09:32.00`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`like, good hit-capped destro locks`
`09:32.02`	`nevcairiel`	`let me check`
`09:34.00`	`nevcairiel`	`i can offer a hyjal log, or BT only council + illidan`
`09:35.48`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Was looking for a shade of akama or teron fight`
`09:35.52`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`but council would work too`
`09:36.12`	`nevcairiel`	`my old logs all expired`
`09:36.22`	`nevcairiel`	`http://wowwebstats.com/qsm1irq6hvqtw?s=1774-2399`
`09:36.25`	`nevcairiel`	`should be council`
`09:37.27`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`thanks`
`09:37.44`	`nevcairiel`	`sabs is affliction iirc, lamei should be destruction`
`09:38.59`	`Kalroth`	`AlexanderYoshi: http://wowwebstats.com/fzj1dxvhcdknm - Dragum is destro (I hope he was at that time too :)`
`09:39.22`	`nevcairiel`	`i need to log a full run again`
`09:39.27`	`nevcairiel`	`guess i shouldnt rotate for once =P`
`09:39.45`	`Kalroth`	`Yeah, we rotate way too much`
`09:39.47`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Sweet, thanks`
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`10:10.20`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`hi Kd3`
`10:10.25`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`did you find the menus?`
`10:10.28`	`kd3`	`anyone ever figure out a way to stop it from repositioning itself each time some select events fire`
`10:10.38`	`kd3`	`oh yeah, they rock. disabling useless crap is <3`
`10:10.45`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`I love the`
`10:10.48`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`"Hide this message"`
`10:10.49`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`feature`
`10:10.53`	`kd3`	`indeed`
`10:11.03`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`too bad the settings dont save`
`10:16.16`	`Kalroth`	`kd3: I think you have to write an addon to counter the moving :p`
`10:16.30`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Its part of the UI puzzle`
`10:16.39`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`If you master all of the challenges, you get a working UI`
`10:16.40`	`Kalroth`	`New UI challenge in 2.4!`
`10:16.50`	`Kalroth`	`Better than tetris!`
`10:17.05`	`kd3`	`lol. oh by the way, bugs notwithstanding, great job, alex. the combat log is rather impressive`
`10:17.32`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Thanks.`
`10:17.39`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`I know the UI is terrible`
`10:17.47`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`but I pasted it together in an hour one day`
`10:17.54`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`We've got our best man mocking up a real UI`
`10:18.34`	`Kalroth`	`Yeah, it's obviously a debug ui with the buttons and whatnot :)`
`10:18.39`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`that floating Combat Log frame bug?`
`10:18.42`	`nevcairiel`	`At least we get to play with the raw events for now, thats great :)`
`10:18.51`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Its actually the result of a fix for the bug that used to cause it to GROW`
`10:18.58`	`Kalroth`	`lol`
`10:19.00`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`You're welcome`
`10:19.02`	`kd3`	`eesh`
`10:19.15`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`It took two years of persuading to get Slouken to change the system.`
`10:19.18`	`Kalroth`	`The first time I pulled the combat log out of the chat frame, it floated offscreen`
`10:19.24`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`And we worked on it pretty much side-by-side for months`
`10:19.25`	`Kalroth`	`I had to restart the client :P`
`10:19.31`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`haha, oops`
`10:19.42`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`I just leave it perma-docked`
`10:19.50`	`kd3`	`I would, if I could redock it`
`10:20.07`	`nevcairiel`	`delete the file that saves it :D`
`10:20.12`	`Kalroth`	`I couldn't find the option for simple chat, so I went with moving it back down every 10-20 mins ;p`
`10:20.15`	`Kalroth`	`Ah yes`
`10:20.22`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Ah, I fixed that bug, but it won't be out for a couple pushes to you.`
`10:20.23`	`Kalroth`	`Didn't think of hacking the WTF`
`10:20.55`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`I apologize profusely for the default colors in Nurfed mode`
`10:21.02`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`it was originally green and red`
`10:21.14`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`but turned to grey and red to support the defaults for most users`
`10:21.31`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Which I like, but makes for bad defaults when you configure it`
`10:22.29`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`My favorite feature is to make a filter that contains only unit death events`
`10:22.38`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`then use it to see why someone died on a boss fight`
`10:22.49`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`right click on their name`
`10:23.08`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Anyways, cheers.`
`10:23.19`	`Kalroth`	`We didn't do anything!`
`10:23.38`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`?`
`10:23.55`	`Kalroth`	`Oh, nevermind :P`
`10:24.13`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Ok!`
`10:24.18`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Don't do anything I wouldn't do.`
`10:24.21`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Bye bye.`
`10:24.37`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`... actually, that's not restrictive enough.`
`10:24.42`	`AlexanderYoshi`	`Don't do anything Cidan wouldn't do.`
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`10:26.25`	`Kalroth`	`What would Cidan do?`
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`10:30.26`	`wereHamster`	`in 2.4, will chat_msg_addon contain the guid of the person whe sent the message?`
`10:30.57`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont think so`
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`10:45.32`	`Elkano`	`wereHamster, why should it? sin't it flagged as guild message anyways?`
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`10:56.53`	`Maldivia`	`yeah... not that I know what you're waiting for, probablu not the same thing as me :9`
`10:57.29`	`nevcairiel`	`and food.`
`10:57.42`	`Maldivia`	`I susspect the food will come first`
`10:57.53`	`nevcairiel`	`not too bad tho`
`10:58.48`	`kd3`	`daily quests reset in a minute. we're stuck at 88%. trying to get phase one complete so we get new dailies`
`10:58.55`	`Maldivia`	`great, my char copy from yesterday has been reverted, so no chars copied :\|`
`10:59.22`	`nevcairiel`	`yesterday? wasnt that locked back then?`
`10:59.41`	`nevcairiel`	`i noticed that it was unlocked this morning and copied 2 chars`
`10:59.47`	`nevcairiel`	`when wait time was at 1 day`
`10:59.49`	`nevcairiel`	`not 8 like now =P`
`10:59.50`	`Maldivia`	`the one I did on friday never arrived, even though it succeded according to the log`
`11:00.16`	`Kalroth`	`Maldivia: EU+`
`11:00.17`	`Kalroth`	`?`
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`11:00.26`	`Maldivia`	`yep... EU PTR char copy is a mess..`
`11:00.40`	`nevcairiel`	`EU was reset this morning, to allow everyone 4 copys again, and all old copys lost in the void or so`
`11:00.42`	`Kalroth`	`EU PTR was reset this morning`
`11:00.58`	`nevcairiel`	`what`
`11:01.03`	`nevcairiel`	`(12:00:28) (nevcairiel) EU was reset this morning, to allow everyone 4 copys again, and all old copys lost in the void or so`
`11:01.03`	`nevcairiel`	`(12:00:29) (Kalroth) EU PTR was reset this morning`
`11:01.04`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... I only have 3 copies though :9`
`11:01.05`	`nevcairiel`	`:P`
`11:01.09`	`Kalroth`	`Fake!`
`11:01.15`	`Kalroth`	`[11:57] <Kalroth> EU PTR was reset this morning`
`11:01.15`	`Kalroth`	`[11:57] <nevcairiel> EU was reset this morning`
`11:01.20`	`Lukian`	`<Kalroth> EU PTR was reset this morning`
`11:01.21`	`Lukian`	`* Kalroth > nevcairiel`
`11:01.33`	`Kalroth`	`shut it, Lukian!`
`11:01.37`	`Kalroth`	`Noone asked you!`
`11:01.39`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`11:02.00`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
`11:02.18`	`kd3`	`lol, just as 3 o'clock hits. everyone picks up the quest and then the island runs out of mobs...`
`11:03.04`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... so are EU and US PTRs linked yet?`
`11:03.40`	`Maldivia`	`and I'm wondering it that link is the cause of all the charcopy trouble, and is the reason they are choosing not to do that hence forth`
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`11:11.33`	`sioraiocht`	`clad\|office: ping?`
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`11:12.13`	`sioraiocht`	`clad\|away: ping?`
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`11:35.35`	`Shizen`	`halp...`
`11:36.22`	`clad\|office`	`with?`
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`11:46.28`	`clad\|office`	`can someone please give him a shell so he can screen irssi`
`11:50.34`	`batrick_`	`lastlog batbot`
`11:50.38`	`batrick_`	`whoops`
`11:50.49`	`batrick_`	`if he logs on long enough i can give him a shell`
`11:51.04`	`batrick_`	`he's probably afk neway`
`11:51.21`	`clad\|office`	`i know thats what makes me sad`
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`11:53.49`	`Wobin`	`ping ckknight_`
`11:54.10`	`Wobin`	`I'm guessing you're just an autoreconnect =(`
`11:54.29`	`Wobin`	`PS, Frangelico is a wonderful thing to add to hot drinks`
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`11:55.53`	`Maldivia`	`btw, have people noticed the Companion cube in Stormwind ?`
`11:56.18`	`clad\|office`	`yeah`
`11:56.21`	`clad\|office`	`wowinsider reported on it`
`11:56.39`	`Maldivia`	`ohh, found it rather ammusing :)`
`11:57.27`	`Wobin`	`wot? =)`
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`11:58.42`	`Wobin`	`awwwww`
`11:58.54`	`batrick_`	`man`
`11:58.59`	`batrick_`	`what the hell did shirik do`
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`12:03.36`	`batbot`	`batrick_: > 1`
`12:03.57`	`batrick`	`shirik couldn't help himself`
`12:04.33`	`Wobin`	`ahaha`
`12:04.34`	`Wobin`	`o If a player dies 50 times or more in a battleground, they will no longer be worth honor for the remainder of that battle.`
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`12:11.56`	`Tem`	`okay, if you guys haven't seen this, you need to`
`12:11.57`	`Tem`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUhSjuhQYE`
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`12:17.39`	`Wobin`	`oh Tem`
`12:17.43`	`Wobin`	`welcome to last year =\`
`12:17.57`	`Tem`	`well I just cried I was laughing so hard`
`12:18.02`	`Tem`	`so I had to share`
`12:18.22`	`Wobin`	`seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqCkDcx6KIs&feature=related ?`
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`13:00.54`	`art3mis`	`http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2008/01/wow-certificate.pdf`
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`13:21.18`	`sacarasc`	`heh, nice art3mis`
`13:21.39`	`art3mis`	`i like the sorry you didnt get drops but thanks for coming part`
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`13:30.21`	`art3mis`	`good god`
`13:30.38`	`art3mis`	`i need to ig ckk's joins and parts and signoffs one of these days`
`13:31.05`	`art3mis`	`i can udnerstand net suckage but thats just crazy`
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`13:49.57`	`clad\|office`	`maybe he'll stop joining now.`
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`13:50.04`	`clad\|office`	`grr`
`13:50.19`	`clad\|office`	`i don't want to kickban him, but this is getting ridiculuos =/`
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`13:52.05`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b ckknight!71-141-9@] by clad\|office`
`13:52.08`	`clad\|office`	`bah`
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`13:52.17`	`clad\|office`	`bad mask, but i'm too lazy to care`
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`13:52.25`	`*** kick/#wowi-lounge [ckknight_!i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by clad\|office (clad\|office)`
`13:52.46`	`clad\|office`	`ckknight: Feel free to shoot one of us a message when you get your connection sorted`
`13:53.02`	`MoonWolf`	`might want to pm him that`
`13:53.05`	`MoonWolf`	`not in the channel anymore`
`13:53.09`	`clad\|office`	`yes he is`
`13:53.23`	`clad\|office`	`on yet another connection :P`
`13:53.23`	`MoonWolf`	`oh`
`13:53.26`	`MoonWolf`	`doh`
`13:53.29`	`clad\|office`	`yeah i have no idea`
`13:53.42`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b !=ckknigh@] by clad\|office`
`13:53.50`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [-b !=ckknight@*.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by clad\|office`
`13:53.54`	`clad\|office`	`lets see if his client stopa ut-joining`
`13:53.56`	`clad\|office`	`that's all I want`
`13:54.14`	`MoonWolf`	`depends on how "smart" it is`
`13:55.02`	`clad\|office`	`ah well, off to lab`
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`14:12.14`	`Lunessa`	`... station`
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`14:14.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Indeed. Good morning, Lunessa. Awake early?`
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`14:15.23`	`Lunessa`	`Yes. I was kind of out of it last night, so I slept early. Got up about 45 minutes ago. Shcoking really.`
`14:16.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was in bed very early too... must be the season.`
`14:16.14`	`Lunessa`	`could be, could be`
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`14:17.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I should keep my germies more to myself!`
`14:17.42`	`Lunessa`	`But, but, but... you're supposed to share!`
`14:18.02`	`Syzgyn`	`sharing time is caring time`
`14:18.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Give us a great big kiss so at least the sharing is fun then!`
`14:19.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Rawr, the things I get for breakfast!`
`14:19.45`	`Syzgyn`	`hm, breakfast... I knew I forgot to do something today`
`14:20.01`	`Syzgyn`	`I'm out of milk though D:`
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`14:20.41`	`Lunessa`	`Breakfast is an interesting tradition. Not so popular in Europe.`
`14:21.01`	`Syzgyn`	`really?`
`14:21.08`	`Syzgyn`	`didn't know that`
`14:21.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't do too much, but I have to start with something or I croak on the way to work. 1 hour drive = bad`
`14:21.37`	`Syzgyn`	`I usually dont get the chance to eat breakfast, but when I do, its almost always a big one`
`14:22.02`	`Lunessa`	`Well, in Spain, Itally and France I should say. Being the only places were getting what I would think of as breakfast was difficult.`
`14:22.14`	`Syzgyn`	`weird`
`14:22.18`	`Lunessa`	`England, Germany - they like some breakfast`
`14:22.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Them frenchified people eat no breakfast. Fetchez la vache!`
`14:23.03`	`Syzgyn`	`french toast!`
`14:23.20`	`Lunessa`	`An American invention`
`14:23.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We're awfully inventive.`
`14:23.56`	`Lunessa`	`Yankee Ingenuity.`
`14:24.06`	`Syzgyn`	`Redneck ingenuity`
`14:25.07`	`Syzgyn`	`yay for the PTR being up during regular maintenance!`
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`14:28.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm a total redneck, hear me roar.`
`14:29.01`	`Syzgyn`	`heh, GA resident checking in`
`14:29.09`	`Lunessa`	`Drive a tractor?`
`14:29.13`	`Syzgyn`	`hell no`
`14:29.15`	`Lunessa`	`Missing a tooth?`
`14:29.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Learned to drive on a 3 speed tractor.`
`14:29.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`All my teeth, kthx.`
`14:29.36`	`Syzgyn`	`I live in atlanta, the least redneck part of the south`
`14:29.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lie, I have 2 crowns.`
`14:29.44`	`Lunessa`	`Think a family reunion is a good place to meet a new sweetheart?`
`14:30.02`	`Syzgyn`	`>_<`
`14:30.15`	`Cide`	`only if I'm there.`
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`14:30.35`	`Lunessa`	`See... NOT a redneck.`
`14:31.48`	`kadrahil`	`lol`
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`14:33.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I've met boyfriends at family reunions. nod`
`14:35.16`	`Lunessa`	`Yes, but were they someone's date, or were they a relative? (Or were you the date?)`
`14:36.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They were relatives, but extremely removed. Like 4th cousins at a huge reunion.`
`14:36.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But I did date a first cousin in grade school....`
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`14:37.00`	`Lunessa`	`4th cousins is far enough away that you're not a redneck.`
`14:37.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What about that first cousin?`
`14:38.10`	`Lunessa`	`Dicey. They're too close for safe breeding and the law doesn't encourage it.`
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`14:39.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But he was hot.`
`14:39.32`	`Lunessa`	`I didn't say it wasn't FUN.`
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`14:39.56`	`Maldivia`	`if the boy was hot... who cares :) doubt you were considering breeding anyway?`
`14:40.18`	`Lunessa`	`Usually hot = "I want to engage in breeding exercises"`
`14:40.25`	`Lunessa`	`If not actual breeding.`
`14:40.49`	`Maldivia`	`doing the breeding activity is one thing... actually trying to breed is another`
`14:41.24`	`Lunessa`	`Still, I don't think Lopeppeppy qualifies as a redneck.`
`14:41.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was an innocent little lamb until I went to college and fell from grace!`
`14:42.10`	`Lunessa`	`You didn't so much fall as jaump?`
`14:42.16`	`Lunessa`	`jump?`
`14:42.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Both feet in and full speed ahead.`
`14:42.59`	`Maldivia`	`both feet in... sounds kinky...`
`14:43.21`	`Syzgyn`	`o.O`
`14:43.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You're just catching on to that, Maldivia? Late riser.`
`14:44.07`	`Lunessa`	`Well, Lopeppeppy is the kinky one on this channel. ;)`
`14:44.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah. Believe that and I've got a bridge in Arizona for you.`
`14:45.01`	`Lunessa`	`cough`
`14:45.09`	`Lunessa`	`innocent look`
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`14:47.22`	`Shizen`	`hmmm`
`14:47.37`	`Shizen`	`http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=151&Set=64 <-- I distinctly remember this guy have his own webcomic site`
`14:47.39`	`Shizen`	`anyone know ?`
`14:47.59`	`Syzgyn`	`no idea`
`14:48.06`	`Shizen`	`hurmmm`
`14:48.16`	`Syzgyn`	`not any of the webcomics I read`
`14:48.50`	`Lunessa`	`the style looks familiar, but... really no clue.`
`14:48.54`	`Cide`	`looks like lookingforgroup`
`14:49.11`	`Syzgyn`	`nah, not really`
`14:49.27`	`Shizen`	`no no, not lfg`
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`14:49.40`	`Shizen`	`at least that's not Richard, lol`
`14:49.49`	`Shizen`	`though he's somewhat Richard-like`
`14:49.56`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`14:50.31`	`Shizen`	`that reminds me`
`14:50.36`	`Shizen`	`wonder if there's any new LFG saga`
`14:51.11`	`sysrage`	`what's funny about that comic is i've seen it happen for real. NE ganked an idiot that was talking like that and we all /cheered`
`14:51.22`	`Syzgyn`	`lol`
`14:52.20`	`Shizen`	`/cheer`
`14:52.59`	`Shizen`	`mmm`
`14:53.06`	`Shizen`	`Adventure of Blanc haven't been updated much :\|`
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`14:53.36`	`Syzgyn`	`dunno that one`
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`14:53.53`	`Maldivia`	`fomr somereason, it reminded me of Donald from GU Comics :)`
`14:54.15`	`Maldivia`	`the "what's your game" spoof they did`
`14:55.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Red versus Blue is where it's at. Chupa-thingie.`
`14:56.54`	`Lunessa`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic`
`14:57.07`	`Shizen`	`http://www.backbreaker.com/~smudge/WoWBlanc/AoBIndex.php?episode=1`
`14:57.10`	`Shizen`	`Blanc`
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`15:07.06`	`Lunessa`	`http://www.backbreaker.com/~smudge/WoWBlanc/AoBIndex.php?episode=34`
`15:08.16`	`Syzgyn`	`lol`
`15:09.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Perfect for my day, Lunessa!`
`15:09.19`	`Lunessa`	`hehe`
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`15:12.44`	`Syzgyn`	`ahh, the test realm forums are great fun`
`15:13.01`	`Syzgyn`	`someone is threatening to quit because they cant copy their character over`
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`15:16.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`People always think the PTR's are like... 2 day frenzies. This will be there for at least a month, maybe two, there are a lot of changes. Get over the angst!`
`15:16.27`	`Syzgyn`	`seriously`
`15:16.56`	`Syzgyn`	`blizz has even said that the current state of the PTR is not final`
`15:17.05`	`zenzelezz`	`peppy: but not being able to copy means that their super imba wtfpwnskills can't make them the first (okay, fift....ieth) to down the new bosses!`
`15:17.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`ZOMFG!`
`15:17.44`	`Syzgyn`	`no, beacuse 99% of the time the people bitching dont even have the gear to do the new dungeons`
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`15:18.37`	`zenzelezz`	`Syzgyn: that's where their super imba wtfpwnskills come in; obviously the 24 other T6 raiders won't mind taking a half-green, half-blue guy to Kil'jaeden!`
`15:18.39`	`Lunessa`	`I want to copy over so I can play with things I'm already familiar with.`
`15:18.53`	`Syzgyn`	`like what?`
`15:19.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I have copied over, just haven't had a chance to play. I'd love to run Kara/ZA with my paladin, see how the new changes feel in an environment I'm very used to running.`
`15:19.35`	`Lunessa`	`Like skills and talents and spell I already know well. Can't spot subtle bugs If everything is new`
`15:19.44`	`Syzgyn`	`I doubt you'd be able to get anything other than a new instance group going`
`15:20.06`	`Shizen`	`hmm`
`15:20.16`	`Shizen`	`they haven't even added the battlemaster collision yet have they ?`
`15:20.25`	`Shizen`	`and I still haven't spotted questgiver for Razorthorn Rise`
`15:20.49`	`Syzgyn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:21.06`	`Shizen`	`they're saying something about putting battlemaster on platform and with collision around them`
`15:21.15`	`Shizen`	`so people don't go OMGWTFCLUTTER on 'em`
`15:21.16`	`Syzgyn`	`negative`
`15:21.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thank god, so that people can't stand on them.`
`15:21.22`	`Syzgyn`	`they moved the daily BG quest guy`
`15:21.26`	`Syzgyn`	`thats it so far`
`15:21.29`	`Shizen`	`hmmm`
`15:21.32`	`Shizen`	`well`
`15:21.51`	`Syzgyn`	`oh, they moved the BoJ vendor too`
`15:21.51`	`Shizen`	`they'll be putting down and pulling up the PTR again and again to put stuffs they're going to test as they see fit`
`15:21.57`	`Syzgyn`	`he's directly above where he was`
`15:21.58`	`Shizen`	`yes, I've seen that`
`15:22.03`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah`
`15:22.18`	`Syzgyn`	`the PvE realm is 98% to the first town upgrade`
`15:22.19`	`Lunessa`	`sigh I need a 10th to fill out my kara team on a regular basis since one of my raiders decided to guild-hop the progession ladder.`
`15:22.29`	`Syzgyn`	`50g says the server crashes at 100%`
`15:23.05`	`Syzgyn`	`I've never run with a set kara group week after week`
`15:23.29`	`Shizen`	`Syzgyn : what they need to do`
`15:23.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`"town upgrade" ?`
`15:23.33`	`Lunessa`	`Hah. My "Set" team hasn't managed a stable roster yet.`
`15:23.34`	`Shizen`	`is ban creation of new blood elves`
`15:23.40`	`Syzgyn`	`agreed`
`15:23.43`	`Shizen`	`seen the corpse mountain ?`
`15:23.56`	`Syzgyn`	`it's better since the world server reset yesterday`
`15:23.59`	`Syzgyn`	`but its still bad`
`15:24.03`	`Shizen`	`well`
`15:24.15`	`Shizen`	`people still keep trying to swim over fatigue water with their puny elves`
`15:24.40`	`Syzgyn`	`Lopeppeppy: It's like the AQ40 world event. The more dailies you do, the more the town on sunwell island upgrades`
`15:24.51`	`Syzgyn`	`currently theres only 2 daily quests and the rep vendor`
`15:24.59`	`Syzgyn`	`no repair guy or anything`
`15:25.02`	`Shizen`	`o.O`
`15:25.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh jeebus, that's going to suck. sigh`
`15:25.11`	`Shizen`	`2 daily quests in Sunwell Plateau itself`
`15:25.15`	`Syzgyn`	`no`
`15:25.17`	`Shizen`	`2 more over at the Throne of Kil'Jaeden`
`15:25.23`	`Shizen`	`linked with the Shattered Sun`
`15:25.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I hated the AQ competition, it was all epeens and stupidity.`
`15:25.32`	`Shizen`	`and 3 more in Shattrath iircv`
`15:25.37`	`Syzgyn`	`yes, 7 total`
`15:25.44`	`Shizen`	`fishing`
`15:25.46`	`Syzgyn`	`not sure if they're all tied to the town progress though`
`15:25.55`	`Syzgyn`	`but they all give shattered sun rep`
`15:25.56`	`Shizen`	`and I'm eyeing around for daily quest for the Razorthorn Rise >_>`
`15:26.01`	`Shizen`	`hmmm`
`15:26.17`	`Shizen`	`I think the town's progression only ties with the dailies at the Sunwell Island thingie`
`15:26.21`	`Shizen`	`mainly the Sentry roundups`
`15:26.27`	`Shizen`	`and Crystal powerups`
`15:26.28`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah, the two there`
`15:26.45`	`Shizen`	`I wonder where Kazzak is moved to now`
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`15:26.56`	`Syzgyn`	`they prolly just death-touched him for the PTR`
`15:26.57`	`Shizen`	`he might still be there though... just he's not spawned right now during the testing`
`15:27.02`	`Syzgyn`	`thats my guess`
`15:27.03`	`Lunessa`	`ALL MORTALS WILL PERISH!`
`15:27.06`	`Syzgyn`	`hehehe`
`15:27.18`	`Syzgyn`	`he and doomwalker were both up on my live last I checked`
`15:27.40`	`Syzgyn`	`Lunessa: But yeah, my guild doesn't even schedule kara anymore`
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`15:28.04`	`Syzgyn`	`whenever someone wants to run it, we get 10 random people and clear it in 2 hours`
`15:28.16`	`Lunessa`	`Syzgyn: We're having the usuall causual guild problem. Not enough tanks/healers.`
`15:28.31`	`Syzgyn`	`seems to be a common problem :\`
`15:28.47`	`Lunessa`	`We have people who can clear the place, and we can't put together Gruul's to save our lives.`
`15:28.55`	`Syzgyn`	`ahhh`
`15:29.05`	`Syzgyn`	`not enough people, or just cant kill maulgar`
`15:29.16`	`Lunessa`	`We need 6-8 good healers. We have 4.`
`15:29.30`	`Syzgyn`	`nods`
`15:29.39`	`zenzelezz`	`good as in skilled?`
`15:29.41`	`Lunessa`	`If we swap some people to their helainf alts, we lose a critical tank.`
`15:29.50`	`Syzgyn`	`skilled > geared`
`15:29.53`	`Lunessa`	`As in dedicated/geared.`
`15:30.10`	`Syzgyn`	`I've seen alts with 1k healing outpreform mains`
`15:30.21`	`Syzgyn`	`its all about the skill of the person playing`
`15:30.21`	`zenzelezz`	`just asking because I (unfortunately) have experience with well-geared people without skills`
`15:30.22`	`Lunessa`	`So have I. But ... not here.`
`15:30.59`	`Syzgyn`	`the hierarchy goes: Skilled geared players > skilled ungeared players > geared unskilled players > ungeared unskilled noobs`
`15:31.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't like flowers....`
`15:31.18`	`Syzgyn`	`it's sorta depressing seeing T6 guilds with total chobs`
`15:31.25`	`Bela\|work`	`you will run into bottlenecks like that at certain points. You are RIGHT on the verge of breaking into new content, but many of the decently skilled people that would join your guild to help you get there won't join unless you are doing that content`
`15:31.37`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah`
`15:31.43`	`Shizen`	`Bela`
`15:31.47`	`Shizen`	`found that questgiver ?`
`15:31.54`	`Syzgyn`	`but once you can clear gruul, you'll get alot more people interested`
`15:31.56`	`Bela\|work`	`for Razorthorn?`
`15:31.58`	`Shizen`	`yeh`
`15:32.01`	`ralfWORK`	`lol casual raiding`
`15:32.05`	`Bela\|work`	`I can't even get my main onto ptr`
`15:32.08`	`Syzgyn`	`lol raiding 6 days a week`
`15:32.09`	`Shizen`	`aww`
`15:32.10`	`Lunessa`	`Our "healing core" right now = 1 Resto druid with Awesome gear, okayish skill and a Primia Donna attitude, one AWESOME Holy paladin, one well geared, pretty skilled priest who has trouble with staying alive if things get busy, and me.`
`15:32.23`	`Syzgyn`	`bad attitude = trouble`
`15:32.39`	`Shizen`	`our healing core mostly consists of druid`
`15:32.41`	`zenzelezz`	`true Bela... also a problem with SSC/TK vs. MH/BT guilds (until 2.4 anyway), the good attuned people get stolen by the top guilds, the good unattuned get taken by the rest`
`15:32.50`	`Shizen`	`some of them not even that deep into resto tree but still pulls amazingness :3`
`15:32.58`	`Lunessa`	`And the rest of them are alts people leveled because my healer is my ALT, not my main.`
`15:33.36`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah, my guild was sorta stuck on morogrim, but once we killed him and karathress and leo, all of a sudden people wanted to app :o`
`15:34.01`	`Lunessa`	`Heh, and one of the other 'healers' is a Shadow Priest who is a loot whore and would rather play his rogue anyway`
`15:34.10`	`ralfWORK`	`btw`
`15:34.13`	`ralfWORK`	`fuck altaholics`
`15:34.19`	`zenzelezz`	`for a long time our core healer group was way paladin-heavy`
`15:34.20`	`Shizen`	`>< don't say that`
`15:34.22`	`Syzgyn`	`the real trick is moving slow enough to keep the casual people happy, but fast enough that your hardcore people dont get bored and leave`
`15:34.27`	`ralfWORK`	`sorry man`
`15:34.28`	`Syzgyn`	`gah, WTB paladins`
`15:34.28`	`Shizen`	`I have that alt-itis disease myself`
`15:34.40`	`Syzgyn`	`<-- 4 70's :P`
`15:34.41`	`Shizen`	`I have my slots full with 30+ 40+ alts`
`15:34.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I love my paladin straight to death.`
`15:34.49`	`ralfWORK`	`I get sick of hearing "omg can I bring in my 5th alt to this boss cause I NEED SOMETHING HEREEEEE"`
`15:34.49`	`Lunessa`	`ralfWORK: You're not helping. I'm an altoholic.`
`15:34.52`	`Shizen`	`oh... don't forget all my abandoned 60s horde >_>`
`15:35.07`	`Shizen`	`ralfWORK : fortunately that's not how we do things in our guild ;)`
`15:35.09`	`Syzgyn`	`blanket rule: alts dont come to 25mans unless asked for raid balance`
`15:35.16`	`ralfWORK`	`Shizen: thank god`
`15:35.34`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: that rule is the only one to use`
`15:35.36`	`Shizen`	`there's a certain 'line' you have to meet before you can start Kara, let alone the other raids`
`15:35.49`	`Shizen`	`but the guild WILL help you get keyed and heroics and stuffs`
`15:36.04`	`Syzgyn`	`IMO people need to get themselves keyed and geared for kara`
`15:36.10`	`Syzgyn`	`the guild picks it up from there`
`15:36.38`	`ralfWORK`	`it's not that frickin hard to get keyed`
`15:36.42`	`Syzgyn`	`but if you cant be active enough to do a few heroics and get easy gear, you dont really have the attitude to raid anyway`
`15:37.12`	`Shizen`	`well it's not really that hard to get keyed, I agree`
`15:37.18`	`Shizen`	`but most times, PuGs are just HORRIBLE`
`15:37.19`	`Syzgyn`	`its nice progressing and being able to be more and more picky with your applicants`
`15:37.32`	`ralfWORK`	`Shizen: eh. I suppose so`
`15:37.44`	`Syzgyn`	`Syzgyn's guide to dealing with bad pugs:`
`15:37.46`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: I look forward to that`
`15:37.47`	`Shizen`	`nowadays I fear when our 'tank' is a warrior, moreso than if it's a feral druid or pally`
`15:37.54`	`Syzgyn`	`1) find a good tank`
`15:37.58`	`Syzgyn`	`2) make friends with said tank`
`15:38.00`	`Shizen`	`because most times, those 'warriors' think that they can tank just by being 'warrior'`
`15:38.03`	`Syzgyn`	`3) run heroics together`
`15:38.06`	`Syzgyn`	`4) profit!`
`15:38.15`	`Legorol`	`Syzgyn: add me to your friendslist plx!`
`15:38.16`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: yea, when I did all that I was holy`
`15:38.19`	`Shizen`	`Syzgyn : I can usually find someone from my guild readily available to tank ;P`
`15:38.20`	`ralfWORK`	`so basically`
`15:38.22`	`Syzgyn`	`sorry, fury :P`
`15:38.23`	`ralfWORK`	`find good tank`
`15:38.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`5) Tank gets bored and quites`
`15:38.26`	`Legorol`	`i'm good warrior tonk, i promise, i even know what a shield is`
`15:38.30`	`ralfWORK`	`and 3 DPS can roll their faces on the keyboard`
`15:38.37`	`Syzgyn`	`6) if 5) happens, he wasn't a good tank`
`15:38.52`	`Syzgyn`	`7) if your fury warriors dont have tank gear, they're bad`
`15:38.53`	`Bela\|work`	`Lunessa: shaman`
`15:38.57`	`Bela\|work`	`thats all i can say`
`15:39.01`	`zenzelezz`	`Legorol: duh, it's priest spell!!! ;)`
`15:39.04`	`Legorol`	`i think the major problem is that the good warrior tanks tend to raid, and not want to run instances (let alone pugs) with their tonks`
`15:39.18`	`Syzgyn`	`I tank in my dps gear half the time now`
`15:39.20`	`Bela\|work`	`we finally took down Vashj last night, and it was only after I had the raid leader try putting the shamans on stair healing duty`
`15:39.21`	`Syzgyn`	`depending on the instance`
`15:39.21`	`Lunessa`	`Bela\|work: My main is a shaman. Enchanment, and not f'ing respeccing.`
`15:39.29`	`Legorol`	`Bela\|work: grats`
`15:39.30`	`Syzgyn`	`better than elemental at least`
`15:39.34`	`ralfWORK`	`they have to tank heroics naked from the waist down to get any rage`
`15:39.35`	`ralfWORK`	`so yea`
`15:39.37`	`Legorol`	`Lunessa: Enhancement`
`15:39.37`	`Bela\|work`	`shamans are insane healers`
`15:39.41`	`Syzgyn`	`grats bela`
`15:39.44`	`Bela\|work`	`raid healing of course`
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`15:39.51`	`Shizen`	`Pally tanking's good though`
`15:39.58`	`Syzgyn`	`who'd you have strider kiting?`
`15:39.58`	`Shizen`	`they've really boosted pally with TBC`
`15:40.03`	`Bela\|work`	`a mage`
`15:40.06`	`ralfWORK`	`I can't say I'd want to tank 5-mans if I had a t4 warrior either`
`15:40.13`	`Bela\|work`	`none of our warlocks are very good`
`15:40.16`	`Syzgyn`	`that works. we have an ele shammy do it`
`15:40.18`	`Legorol`	`sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine, people spelling shammies as "Enchantment"`
`15:40.20`	`ralfWORK`	`how can you be a bad warlock? :P`
`15:40.23`	`zenzelezz`	`we use hunter + mage for strider kiting`
`15:40.27`	`Bela\|work`	`so we had a mage doing it, and our shamans helped by throwing down earthbinds`
`15:40.28`	`zenzelezz`	`or moonkin`
`15:40.30`	`Syzgyn`	`same way you can be a bad <insert class here>`
`15:40.37`	`ralfWORK`	`naw but I mean`
`15:40.50`	`ralfWORK`	`you can generally be more of a mouth breather as a warlock vs. some other classes :P`
`15:41.05`	`Syzgyn`	`I agree, my 70 lock is stupid easy to play`
`15:41.14`	`Syzgyn`	`but some people are just bad`
`15:41.21`	`ralfWORK`	`yea, some people are`
`15:41.29`	`Bela\|work`	`I dont know how you can be a bad warlock`
`15:41.34`	`Bela\|work`	`but they manage it`
`15:41.37`	`ralfWORK`	`wow`
`15:41.39`	`ralfWORK`	`well that sucks`
`15:41.49`	`Bela\|work`	`I mean warlocks should be near the top on dps right?`
`15:41.53`	`Bela\|work`	`wws reports`
`15:41.54`	`Lunessa`	`Legorol: Yeah, I'm typing IRC on a second keyboard, and not doing a very good job of it.`
`15:41.59`	`Syzgyn`	`depends on alot of things`
`15:42.00`	`Bela\|work`	`they are near the bottom`
`15:42.04`	`ralfWORK`	`Bela\|work: kinda, yea`
`15:42.06`	`Syzgyn`	`raid makeup, how good your rogues are, ect`
`15:42.08`	`Bela\|work`	`about 600 dps average`
`15:42.11`	`Syzgyn`	`how the groups are stacked`
`15:42.12`	`Syzgyn`	`ew`
`15:42.16`	`ralfWORK`	`Bela\|work: what progression?`
`15:42.19`	`Bela\|work`	`affliction`
`15:42.19`	`Syzgyn`	`600dps is kara entry level`
`15:42.22`	`Bela\|work`	`SSC / TK`
`15:42.25`	`ralfWORK`	`oh hell no`
`15:42.29`	`Bela\|work`	`everything except Kael now`
`15:42.35`	`Syzgyn`	`improve or /gkick`
`15:42.37`	`ralfWORK`	`my kara shadowpriest can do 600 :P`
`15:42.44`	`Syzgyn`	`same with my lock`
`15:42.44`	`Bela\|work`	`yeah thats what I said`
`15:42.45`	`Lunessa`	`AFK`
`15:42.59`	`Bela\|work`	`I said they need to go Destruction if they are so horrible at affliction`
`15:43.08`	`Bela\|work`	`some people just can't transition from pew pew to dot dot`
`15:43.12`	`Syzgyn`	`if they're bad at AFF, odds are they dont have the hit for destro`
`15:43.17`	`zenzelezz`	`with the exception of huge AoE areas (MH etc.) our casters just can't top one of our hunters on DPS... they're close, but he's sick`
`15:43.18`	`Syzgyn`	`but even as aff`
`15:43.24`	`Syzgyn`	`50% of your dps is shadowbolt spam`
`15:43.43`	`Bela\|work`	`mind you we only have 2 really reliable warlocks`
`15:43.50`	`Syzgyn`	`zenzelezz: oh yeah, we have one hunter who generally is top 3, usually top 1`
`15:43.57`	`Cide`	`Syzgyn: a bit less really`
`15:43.58`	`Bela\|work`	`so its not like we have a large subsection of people to use as a comparison`
`15:44.07`	`Bela\|work`	`I want us to get a few more, so that they all have competition`
`15:44.12`	`ralfWORK`	`for us,`
`15:44.14`	`Bela\|work`	`competition drives people to do better`
`15:44.15`	`ralfWORK`	`at the end of kara`
`15:44.21`	`ralfWORK`	`our fricking Marks hunter is always at top`
`15:44.25`	`ralfWORK`	`then usually it's rogue and mage`
`15:44.36`	`Syzgyn`	`rafl: what fight though?`
`15:44.46`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: pretty much any boss fight in Kara`
`15:44.49`	`ralfWORK`	`(generally)`
`15:44.50`	`Syzgyn`	`ahh`
`15:45.02`	`Syzgyn`	`like on Vashj I do shitty dps`
`15:45.18`	`Syzgyn`	`but I'm running around killing stray elementals and helping toss cores the whole time`
`15:45.21`	`ralfWORK`	`my wife's rogue is good`
`15:45.22`	`Syzgyn`	`so it doesn't matter`
`15:45.25`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: right gotcha`
`15:45.31`	`Syzgyn`	`but kara is pretty average anyway`
`15:45.33`	`ralfWORK`	`she got her PVP OH sword last night,`
`15:45.41`	`ralfWORK`	`and a blue sword in mainhand`
`15:45.43`	`Syzgyn`	`cept maybe prince where melee get boned`
`15:45.52`	`Shirik`	`batrick, wtf`
`15:45.53`	`ralfWORK`	`and beat the tar off the other epic rogue in ZA`
`15:46.01`	`ralfWORK`	`she was laughing so hard`
`15:46.02`	`Shirik`	`fix the code in my folder :<`
`15:46.07`	`Syzgyn`	`I can outpds warlocks spamming seed on illhoof :D`
`15:46.16`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: ohhh nice!`
`15:46.18`	`Shirik`	`I was trying to test something and I couldn't fix batbot`
`15:46.33`	`Bela\|work`	`I dont know that Kara is a good comparison imho. So much dynamic changes once you hit ssc`
`15:46.37`	`Syzgyn`	`whirlwind + sweeping strikes + cleave + tanking kil'rek= infinite rage`
`15:46.44`	`ralfWORK`	`Bela\|work: well... here's the deal`
`15:47.00`	`Bela\|work`	`example: in Kara shamans aren't a big deal`
`15:47.05`	`ralfWORK`	`Bela\|work: for something like Nalorakk, if you are a DPS class and aren't ripping the charts up`
`15:47.08`	`ralfWORK`	`you fail`
`15:47.13`	`ralfWORK`	`it's a tank and spank`
`15:47.17`	`Bela\|work`	`true`
`15:47.23`	`Bela\|work`	`better yet, Lynx`
`15:47.27`	`ralfWORK`	`now that doesn't mean that the people at the top will stay at the top on a more technical fight`
`15:47.27`	`Bela\|work`	`thats a better comparison`
`15:47.39`	`ralfWORK`	`but it does mean that those at the bottom will stay at the bottom`
`15:47.42`	`Syzgyn`	`ralfWORK: I dunno, I do poor dips on Nalorakk`
`15:47.48`	`Syzgyn`	`he has such high armor`
`15:47.55`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: dps warrior you said?`
`15:47.58`	`Syzgyn`	`yes`
`15:47.59`	`Bela\|work`	`Lynx is a healing stress fight, as well as dps`
`15:48.05`	`Syzgyn`	`Lynx is boring as hell`
`15:48.06`	`ralfWORK`	`shrug`
`15:48.20`	`ralfWORK`	`we tried lynx last night for the first time`
`15:48.21`	`Syzgyn`	`we usually dont have an enh shammy in ZA though`
`15:48.24`	`Syzgyn`	`so that makes a difference`
`15:48.35`	`ralfWORK`	`in kara gear`
`15:48.35`	`Bela\|work`	`I think a shaman is actually a bad thing on Lynx actually`
`15:48.38`	`ralfWORK`	`it was a bit... LOL`
`15:48.41`	`Syzgyn`	`Protip: have all your ranged stand in a group at max range`
`15:48.44`	`Bela\|work`	`fast heals win`
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`15:48.59`	`Syzgyn`	`I think you can outrange the flame shock`
`15:48.59`	`Bela\|work`	`lots of surge dmg on him`
`15:49.07`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: ohhhh interested`
`15:49.10`	`ralfWORK`	`*interesting`
`15:49.11`	`Bela\|work`	`and chains aren't effective`
`15:49.22`	`Syzgyn`	`not 100% sure, but it helps with aoe healing anyway`
`15:49.31`	`Syzgyn`	`bela:what??`
`15:49.35`	`Syzgyn`	`chain heal = godly`
`15:49.36`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: well we spread out, so that we didn't get chain lightening from the totem`
`15:49.40`	`Bela\|work`	`no on Lynx`
`15:49.44`	`Bela\|work`	`everyone is spread out`
`15:49.49`	`Legorol`	`oh, shamantalk! i need experienced shamans' advice`
`15:49.51`	`Syzgyn`	`you deffinitely outrange the lightning totems usually`
`15:49.56`	`Syzgyn`	`dont spread out`
`15:49.58`	`ralfWORK`	`Syzgyn: interesting`
`15:49.59`	`Syzgyn`	`much easier`
`15:50.03`	`ralfWORK`	`you're talking to a shadowpriest though`
`15:50.08`	`Bela\|work`	`how far is outrange?`
`15:50.10`	`Syzgyn`	`just make sure you burn the totems asap`
`15:50.12`	`Syzgyn`	`uh....`
`15:50.14`	`ralfWORK`	`I have like a damn 10 yard range`
`15:50.14`	`Bela\|work`	`I have never seen it outranged`
`15:50.17`	`ralfWORK`	`:P`
`15:50.17`	`Syzgyn`	`25yds?`
`15:50.22`	`Legorol`	`i have an issue with a particular resto shammy in our raids: he is convinced that his lesser healing waves are a more effective way to heal than chain heal`
`15:50.22`	`Syzgyn`	`not sure really`
`15:50.27`	`Syzgyn`	`but we get very little raid damage`
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`15:50.34`	`Bela\|work`	`its a small room though, do you have them tank him at one side of the room?`
`15:50.34`	`Legorol`	`less casting time, less mana, and heals for about the same amount total with the +heal he has`
`15:50.41`	`Legorol`	`is he right? is he a moron?`
`15:50.42`	`Bela\|work`	`and everyone else bunch up at other side?`
`15:50.43`	`Syzgyn`	`Legorol: are you in a position to replace him?`
`15:50.56`	`ralfWORK`	`Legorol: I don't know shamans well, but that sounds asinine to me`
`15:51.01`	`Syzgyn`	`Bela: tank him where he starts, everyone else starts at the ramp down`
`15:51.02`	`Legorol`	`sylvanaar: irrelevant`
`15:51.05`	`Bela\|work`	`Legorol: LHW is the most inneficient heal`
`15:51.10`	`Bela\|work`	`mana wise`
`15:51.10`	`Legorol`	`this is a Request For Comments`
`15:51.20`	`Legorol`	`you mean as far as HPM is concerned?`
`15:51.28`	`Bela\|work`	`its mainly for OHSHIT HEAL HIM`
`15:51.37`	`Legorol`	`i want to understand more about shammy healing, rather than anything else`
`15:51.37`	`Bela\|work`	`its like a Paladin flash heal`
`15:51.46`	`Legorol`	`but our palas spam flash heal to heal all hte time`
`15:51.50`	`Syzgyn`	`how far progressed are you?`
`15:51.52`	`Legorol`	`and that's their most efficient thing, they claim`
`15:51.52`	`Bela\|work`	`for single target sure`
`15:52.03`	`Bela\|work`	`but a shaman doesn't shine on single target`
`15:52.09`	`Bela\|work`	`he will run out of mana MUCH faster`
`15:52.09`	`Legorol`	`because their flash heal is cheap and their mp5 gets back almost as much as their flash heals cost them`
`15:52.27`	`Legorol`	`this shaman has a lot of +heal and mp5, uses LHW lower ranks to constantly heal`
`15:52.28`	`Bela\|work`	`yes but LHW costs twice what flash heal does`
`15:52.30`	`Bela\|work`	`over twice`
`15:52.42`	`Bela\|work`	`lower ranks?`
`15:52.44`	`Bela\|work`	`wtf?`
`15:52.47`	`Syzgyn`	`Legorol: how progressed are you?`
`15:52.49`	`Bela\|work`	`if he is even using it, use max`
`15:52.52`	`Legorol`	`ranks 1 through 3 i think`
`15:53.02`	`Bela\|work`	`only thing he should worry about downranking is normal HW`
`15:53.05`	`Legorol`	`it costs him 150 mana or so, heals for 3k with it`
`15:53.14`	`Bela\|work`	`no`
`15:53.17`	`Bela\|work`	`that can't be right`
`15:53.21`	`Bela\|work`	`how much _heal?`
`15:53.22`	`Legorol`	`that's a factual statement :)`
`15:53.24`	`Syzgyn`	`that doesnt sount right at all`
`15:53.36`	`Legorol`	`let me reverify the logs`
`15:53.40`	`Bela\|work`	`I have 2k +heal, and my LHW at max rank hits for 3k`
`15:54.06`	`Bela\|work`	`see here is the other thing`
`15:54.09`	`Bela\|work`	`its not just the heal`
`15:54.13`	`Legorol`	`i think he heals quite substantial amounts with lhw low ranks,`
`15:54.17`	`Bela\|work`	`normal HW also gives Ancestral Fort`
`15:54.18`	`Legorol`	`and throws them around fast with 1.5 sec`
`15:54.22`	`Legorol`	`could that work in theory?`
`15:54.26`	`Bela\|work`	`which is SERIOUS good for healing`
`15:54.27`	`Cide`	`no :)`
`15:54.29`	`Legorol`	`and never runs out of mana`
`15:54.30`	`Cide`	`LHW doesn't heal for 3k`
`15:54.34`	`ralfWORK`	`Bela\|work: what's that do again?`
`15:54.36`	`Legorol`	`ok let me go check`
`15:54.49`	`Cide`	`I don't think my flash heal at full rank does, even`
`15:54.53`	`Bela\|work`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=16237`
`15:54.55`	`Legorol`	`what he claimed is that`
`15:54.56`	`Cide`	`but I may be wrong`
`15:55.08`	`Legorol`	`by throwing LHWs around the raid, he can raidheal more efficiently than with CH`
`15:55.09`	`ralfWORK`	`ohhh`
`15:55.14`	`Legorol`	`and with less mana`
`15:55.17`	`ralfWORK`	`like the priesty thing`
`15:55.17`	`Bela\|work`	`that is completely and totally wrong`
`15:55.20`	`Syzgyn`	`I highly doubt that`
`15:55.27`	`Syzgyn`	`go do void reaver, that wont hold up`
`15:55.31`	`Bela\|work`	`he will outheal everyone in the raid with Chain heal`
`15:55.31`	`Bela\|work`	`period`
`15:55.34`	`Syzgyn`	`^`
`15:55.37`	`Legorol`	`part of the issue is that he is often on raidheal duty where the CH wouldn't reach two or more people`
`15:55.43`	`Bela\|work`	`and chain heal will crit for more`
`15:55.44`	`Legorol`	`we aren't doing VR though :)`
`15:55.47`	`Syzgyn`	`put him on the melee`
`15:55.51`	`Bela\|work`	`I easily hit for 6k on chain heal`
`15:55.57`	`Syzgyn`	`what are you doing then?`
`15:55.57`	`Bela\|work`	`thats two of his lessers`
`15:56.03`	`Legorol`	`Bela: CH won't crit for more, it still crits for 2x, doesn't it?`
`15:56.08`	`Bela\|work`	`no`
`15:56.12`	`Bela\|work`	`it crits for a lot`
`15:56.15`	`Legorol`	`define "lot"`
`15:56.18`	`Cide`	`1.5x`
`15:56.18`	`Bela\|work`	`and each jump can crit`
`15:56.22`	`Legorol`	`sorry 1.5x`
`15:56.26`	`Legorol`	`Bela\|work: yes i know that part`
`15:56.33`	`Legorol`	`but if his LHW heals a single target for 3k,`
`15:56.39`	`Legorol`	`and his CH heals three targets total for 3k,`
`15:56.48`	`Legorol`	`then either of them critting heals the same amount on crits too, doens't it?`
`15:56.56`	`Bela\|work`	`not in my experience`
`15:57.02`	`Cide`	`aye, Legorol's logic works out`
`15:57.07`	`Cide`	`but CH is still better`
`15:57.19`	`Bela\|work`	`shamans should be raid healing anyway`
`15:57.24`	`Cide`	`if only for the fact that it jumps to people with low hp for you`
`15:57.26`	`Bela\|work`	`in which case ALWAYS ALWAYS CH`
`15:57.28`	`Lunessa`	`CH is good for Splash Damage.`
`15:57.43`	`ralfWORK`	`prayer of mending is good for splash damage lulz`
`15:57.46`	`Bela\|work`	`and LHW is a very mana inefficient heal`
`15:57.49`	`Bela\|work`	`I do use it`
`15:57.49`	`Cide`	`ralfWORK: nah`
`15:57.57`	`Bela\|work`	`but only for situations where someone is getting low`
`15:57.58`	`Bela\|work`	`like a tank`
`15:58.01`	`Lunessa`	`It's AWESOME for splash damage. And talented, it's the most mana-effective heal period.`
`15:58.01`	`Legorol`	`ok i don't remember which rank he uses, whether it's rank 1 2 or 3`
`15:58.06`	`Legorol`	`well he uses several ranks of LHW`
`15:58.16`	`Cide`	`well`
`15:58.18`	`Cide`	`that's the thing`
`15:58.21`	`Legorol`	`costing around 120 to 400 mana for him`
`15:58.22`	`Cide`	`he can't be healing for 3k with those ranks`
`15:58.22`	`Bela\|work`	`does he have the talent to redice cast time of HW?`
`15:58.31`	`Legorol`	`depending on rank`
`15:58.34`	`Cide`	`because of the change in healing coefficients for lower ranks`
`15:58.34`	`Legorol`	`Cide: i'm going to check`
`15:58.37`	`Bela\|work`	`top rank will`
`15:58.40`	`Bela\|work`	`not low rank`
`15:58.47`	`Shirik`	`ROFL`
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`15:58.51`	`Shirik`	`My boss is so strange`
`15:58.51`	`Cide`	`pre-BC it worked that way, but I think it's impossible now`
`15:59.06`	`Shirik`	`He sends out this email that gets me worried....`
`15:59.07`	`Shirik`	`See Judy before Friday`
`15:59.08`	`Shirik`	`Behi`
`15:59.08`	`Legorol`	`i think his point was that his LHWs heal for the same amount as CHs, but cost less`
`15:59.14`	`Shirik`	`So I'm like "great what did I do"`
`15:59.16`	`Bela\|work`	`when t crits maybe`
`15:59.18`	`Legorol`	`obviously depends on rank, but if you place them side by side`
`15:59.18`	`Shirik`	`then she sends a reply to it`
`15:59.25`	`Legorol`	`no Bela, not with crit`
`15:59.26`	`Shirik`	`That is if you have not yet picked up your luncheon invitation...Judy`
`15:59.27`	`Bela\|work`	`see, I dont like this`
`15:59.28`	`Legorol`	`let me go check`
`15:59.34`	`Bela\|work`	`his argument is apples to oranges`
`15:59.35`	`Legorol`	`i'll make it quantitative, ok? :)`
`15:59.40`	`Syzgyn`	`kd3: I spy you on the PTR`
`15:59.42`	`Bela\|work`	`CH and LHW are not evne close to the same`
`15:59.48`	`Legorol`	`close in what?`
`15:59.49`	`Cide`	`Shirik: haha`
`15:59.53`	`kd3`	`'lo`
`15:59.54`	`Bela\|work`	`if you are worried about a single target, sure, LHW`
`15:59.56`	`Legorol`	`CH does use more mana, and takes longer to cast`
`16:00.02`	`kd3`	`and bah at all of the bastards standing on the NPCs`
`16:00.05`	`Bela\|work`	`but why would you use CH?`
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`16:00.16`	`Legorol`	`Bela\|work: i think that was his point too`
`16:00.18`	`Legorol`	`he didn't want to use CH`
`16:00.21`	`Syzgyn`	`meh, I'm just waiting for the server to crash at 100%`
`16:00.23`	`Cide`	`but CH hits several people, for more, and it picks the targets based on health`
`16:00.25`	`Bela\|work`	`he is a moron, I stand by that opinion`
`16:00.42`	`Bela\|work`	`where are you in progression?`
`16:00.45`	`Legorol`	`ok i really need to go check data or this doesn't go anywhere :)`
`16:00.52`	`Legorol`	`Bela: that's hard to define`
`16:01.06`	`Bela\|work`	`I can see that logic being ok pre SSC`
`16:01.07`	`Legorol`	`our best people have got everything from badge vendor and a few pieces from ZA, our worst are wearing blue/green`
`16:01.09`	`Syzgyn`	`Legorol: heres an easy solutio`
`16:01.10`	`Legorol`	`and we have everything inbetween`
`16:01.11`	`Industrial`	`does chain heal pick targets based on HP? I never knew that`
`16:01.16`	`Industrial`	`always wondered`
`16:01.17`	`Bela\|work`	`but in SSC, CH is indispensible`
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`16:01.21`	`Industrial`	`whats the use/efficiency`
`16:01.25`	`Industrial`	`but thats cool then`
`16:01.26`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`16:01.26`	`Syzgyn`	`explain this to a t6 raiding shammy on your server`
`16:01.33`	`Syzgyn`	`if he laughs, your shammy is bad`
`16:01.33`	`Bela\|work`	`it does more than that, it has several rules it follows`
`16:01.37`	`Legorol`	`we are doing occasional ZA, 4 bosses down`
`16:01.37`	`Industrial`	`now I can see how shaman can heal with it >_>`
`16:01.41`	`Legorol`	`1 boss down in SSC`
`16:01.44`	`Syzgyn`	`hai Industrial`
`16:01.52`	`Legorol`	`this particular shammy however has most badge gear, full Kara epics, some drops from ZA`
`16:01.54`	`Industrial`	`hai Syzgyn ?`
`16:01.56`	`Bela\|work`	`1) it always jumps among party members if they are in range`
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`16:02.15`	`Bela\|work`	`2) it will jump to another group if it doesn't have someone in range of the same party`
`16:02.33`	`Bela\|work`	`3) if it has a choice between several targets, it heals the one that needs more healing`
`16:02.39`	`Industrial`	`cool`
`16:02.44`	`Syzgyn`	`yay 100% noew dailies`
`16:02.52`	`Bela\|work`	`4) it CAN jump to a pet, but only if a player isn't in range`
`16:03.01`	`ralfWORK`	`nerf shaman`
`16:03.04`	`Industrial`	`sweet`
`16:03.05`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`16:03.19`	`zenzelezz`	`can CH proc Ancestral Fortitude?`
`16:03.22`	`Bela\|work`	`shamans dont need nerfs`
`16:03.27`	`Bela\|work`	`I dont think resto needs buffs`
`16:03.30`	`Bela\|work`	`b`
`16:03.35`	`Bela\|work`	`but the other specs do`
`16:04.32`	`Industrial`	`Another question: can you get enough mp5 to have it higher then your use? or at least ALMOST nothing? this idea always appealed to me. who needs ons of mana if you get a growing pool of infinity :P`
`16:04.37`	`Bela\|work`	`I am not an expert, I could be wrong about how healing works. I am not in T6 content yet`
`16:04.42`	`Industrial`	`tons*`
`16:04.45`	`Bela\|work`	`maybe in T6 content, LHW wins`
`16:04.47`	`Legorol`	`Bela\|work: what's the range that CH can jump? (i don't mean the first target)`
`16:04.49`	`Bela\|work`	`but I highly doubt it`
`16:05.01`	`Bela\|work`	`that I am not sure on, but it has a long range`
`16:05.10`	`kd3`	`ooh. wow at the lag. my 8600 can't keep up`
`16:05.26`	`zenzelezz`	`8600 what?`
`16:05.35`	`Bela\|work`	`vid card...`
`16:05.41`	`kd3`	`GT`
`16:05.44`	`Legorol`	`i heard it's a pretty short range, like 20 yards`
`16:05.52`	`Syzgyn`	`wee a bombing run quest`
`16:05.59`	`Syzgyn`	`and yeah this is pretty stupid lag`
`16:06.08`	`ralfWORK`	`stupid question about PTR`
`16:06.16`	`ralfWORK`	`is it actually 1 realm`
`16:06.18`	`Syzgyn`	`2`
`16:06.19`	`zenzelezz`	`I wouldn't say 20 yards is "short", there's usually someone in range like that... if not, tell your people to group up more`
`16:06.23`	`Syzgyn`	`a PvP and a PvE`
`16:06.24`	`Legorol`	`practical experience in ZA: on Jan'alai fight, if you CH the tank in the center, it doesn't jump to anyone else on the edge of the square`
`16:06.29`	`ralfWORK`	`ah k`
`16:06.44`	`ralfWORK`	`uhm, what if you copy a toon to it`
`16:06.45`	`Bela\|work`	`right`
`16:06.52`	`ralfWORK`	`and there is naming conflicts?`
`16:06.52`	`Syzgyn`	`cant atm`
`16:06.56`	`Bela\|work`	`the jump is definitely shorter`
`16:07.04`	`ralfWORK`	`yea I know that`
`16:07.09`	`Bela\|work`	`that is why it pays to practice and learn how to quickly pick targets`
`16:07.15`	`Bela\|work`	`that will maximise it`
`16:07.27`	`Bela\|work`	`otherwise you end up wasting mana for a single heal`
`16:07.29`	`Legorol`	`right, if i remember correctly, this shaman had LHW ranks 3, 5 and 7 on his bar,`
`16:07.36`	`Legorol`	`and CH ranks 1, 3 and 5`
`16:07.47`	`Bela\|work`	`I have LHW 7, HW 8, HW 12, and CH`
`16:08.09`	`Legorol`	`he is quick to react, he loves to use LHW as it's quick to cast, chooses rank based on how much healing the target actually needs, and is good at that`
`16:08.14`	`Bela\|work`	`max rank CH, I dont downrank it`
`16:08.31`	`Legorol`	`almost no overhealing, and throwing around (low rank if needed) LHWs nonstop`
`16:08.35`	`Bela\|work`	`my guess is, he doesn't have the mp5 to support HW`
`16:08.42`	`Bela\|work`	`nor the talent / haste to make it viable`
`16:08.56`	`Legorol`	`HW didn't even come up during the discussion :)`
`16:08.56`	`Bela\|work`	`pre SSC I think I usd LHW more too`
`16:09.11`	`Legorol`	`it was LHW vs. CH when raidhealing`
`16:09.20`	`Bela\|work`	`!c us Medivh Beladon`
`16:09.22`	`ThraeBot`	`Bela\|work: Beladon, Level 70 Draenei Shaman (0/5/56). 7809 HP; 10356 Mana; 255 mana regen; 122 mp5; 9517 Armour; 4.11% melee crit; 12 spell crit; 757 +spell dmg; 1960 +heal; 4.11% dodge; 5.00% block; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 767 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywk5bm ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2rtsgl ][ Updated: Tue Feb 12 11:18:26 2008 EST ]]`
`16:09.27`	`Legorol`	`his problem with CH was that it would often only hit one target, and therefore end up costing more mana/time and healing less`
`16:10.00`	`Bela\|work`	`well yeah`
`16:10.03`	`Bela\|work`	`that takes practice`
`16:10.08`	`Bela\|work`	`and things like Healbot helps a lot`
`16:10.16`	`Bela\|work`	`especially if you sort it by grouyp`
`16:10.37`	`Legorol`	`actual experience was that the amount of effective healing he managed to dish out with LHW rank 3 versus CH rank 1 was a lot bigger (the former costing less mana)`
`16:10.54`	`Bela\|work`	`but I am serious when I say, the Shaman doesn't reach full potential until they learn how to use CH effectively in a raid`
`16:11.08`	`Legorol`	`he contrasted LHW 3 vs. CH 1, LHW 5 vs. CH 3 and LHW 7 vs CH 5`
`16:11.33`	`Bela\|work`	`he should be contrasting LH and HW`
`16:11.33`	`Cide`	`don't`
`16:11.33`	`Bela\|work`	`not LH and CH`
`16:11.38`	`Bela\|work`	`like I said, its apples and oranges`
`16:11.43`	`Legorol`	`HW was out of the question`
`16:11.47`	`Legorol`	`ok the actual situation was:`
`16:11.47`	`Cide`	`contrasting anything but the top ranks is stupid, too`
`16:12.02`	`Legorol`	`Jan'alai fight, lot of people taking damage randomly, i tried to ask him to CH instead of LHW, thinking it will be more effective`
`16:12.05`	`Legorol`	`his healing went down the drain`
`16:12.11`	`Bela\|work`	`then he sucks`
`16:12.21`	`Bela\|work`	`hate to say it that way, but its true`
`16:12.28`	`Bela\|work`	`it should be the opposite`
`16:12.30`	`Legorol`	`that's what i couldn't decide, and he tried to explain to me why that was the case`
`16:12.53`	`Bela\|work`	`whats his name?`
`16:12.57`	`Bela\|work`	`I want to see his talents`
`16:13.15`	`Legorol`	`i think it's a case of "i'm used to one way of doing things, you told me to do another, i'm not used to it"`
`16:13.15`	`Legorol`	`so it ends up worse`
`16:13.19`	`Bela\|work`	`probably`
`16:13.24`	`Bela\|work`	`but if he doesn't try`
`16:13.32`	`Bela\|work`	`and maybe read some forum posts in the shaman forums`
`16:13.33`	`Legorol`	`Bela\|work: i don't want to disclose his name, but i'll pop his talents on wowhead and link it`
`16:13.41`	`Bela\|work`	`he will never be a good healing shaman`
`16:13.47`	`Bela\|work`	`ok`
`16:13.48`	`Legorol`	`well that's a damned if you do, damned if you don't`
`16:14.01`	`Legorol`	`if i tell him to do something he sucks at, i lose more than if i let him do what he is good at at least`
`16:14.11`	`Bela\|work`	`true`
`16:14.14`	`Legorol`	`and no i don't have the luxury of replacing him :)`
`16:14.17`	`Bela\|work`	`you can't MAKE someone play better`
`16:14.19`	`Legorol`	`he is one of our best healers ;-)`
`16:14.23`	`Bela\|work`	`but you can stop using them`
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`16:14.46`	`Bela\|work`	`and I have no doubt he is very good at what he does`
`16:14.46`	`Legorol`	`simply because his gear level (within the guild) is very high, and he does what he is used to very well`
`16:14.52`	`Legorol`	`yah :/`
`16:14.55`	`Legorol`	`anyway will go link talents`
`16:14.55`	`Bela\|work`	`a single target healing shaman can keep up with a paladin usually`
`16:15.03`	`Bela\|work`	`at more mana cost`
`16:15.24`	`Legorol`	`he is beating our palis, probably because he has better gear`
`16:15.51`	`Legorol`	`btw, my reluctance to link his armory is just a matter of principle, not trying to imply anything :)`
`16:16.00`	`Legorol`	`but when i'm talking about someone behind their back, i prefer to keep it anonymous`
`16:16.03`	`Bela\|work`	`no I understand`
`16:16.18`	`Bela\|work`	`I would be cautious as well`
`16:16.35`	`Legorol`	`and the point here really is not to bash him, but to let me learn :)`
`16:16.52`	`Bela\|work`	`I wish we had a T6 shammy in here`
`16:16.58`	`Bela\|work`	`so they could tell me if I am just sucking wind`
`16:17.15`	`Bela\|work`	`but I do believe that I am right, at least as far as SSC / TK level is concerned`
`16:17.32`	`Bela\|work`	`bearing in mind there will always be situations where you have to be flexible and single target heal`
`16:17.49`	`Bela\|work`	`but CH is the most powerful spell a shaman has in a raid`
`16:17.59`	`Syzgyn`	`theres really no fights in SSC where you wont be taking aoe damage`
`16:18.03`	`Syzgyn`	`cept maybe hydross`
`16:18.07`	`Bela\|work`	`my healing actually goes down when I can't CH`
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`16:18.23`	`Legorol`	`our gear level, if i had to put it somewhere, is Karazhan epics with a few badge items on some people`
`16:18.26`	`Legorol`	`that's the average`
`16:18.32`	`Legorol`	`we are trying ZA and SSC`
`16:18.36`	`Legorol`	`here is the build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxZEsxtVeoted`
`16:18.45`	`Bela\|work`	`he likely just needs more mp5 and haste`
`16:18.54`	`Legorol`	`no i think he needs practice at using CH effectively`
`16:19.07`	`Legorol`	`my guess was that CH would be better, his healing went down, so he refused to CH`
`16:19.10`	`Bela\|work`	`if he isn't using HW, he should get rid of Imp healing Wave btw`
`16:19.17`	`Syzgyn`	`if you havent done gruul, dont do SSC`
`16:19.20`	`Bela\|work`	`it does him now good unless he is mainlining that spell`
`16:19.37`	`Legorol`	`Syzgyn: we have gruul on farm`
`16:19.40`	`Legorol`	`we one-tap him every week`
`16:19.42`	`Syzgyn`	`ok then`
`16:19.47`	`Legorol`	`Gruul is on Kara level :)`
`16:19.48`	`Syzgyn`	`any progress in SSC?`
`16:19.55`	`Legorol`	`so when I say Kara level gear, that includes Gruul`
`16:19.57`	`Bela\|work`	`his spec is almost a carbon copy of mine`
`16:20.01`	`Syzgyn`	`gotcha`
`16:20.02`	`Bela\|work`	`actually`
`16:20.11`	`Legorol`	`Lurker on farm, Hydross killed once`
`16:20.11`	`Bela\|work`	`although`
`16:20.15`	`Legorol`	`VR killed once`
`16:20.16`	`Bela\|work`	`Healing Grace is FTW`
`16:20.22`	`Syzgyn`	`not too bad`
`16:20.25`	`Bela\|work`	`he should think about using it once you hit SSC`
`16:20.33`	`Bela\|work`	`threat can be bad there`
`16:20.34`	`Legorol`	`but that VR kill was a long time ago, we couldn't repeat it since`
`16:20.40`	`Syzgyn`	`hydross is harder than leo and karathress imo`
`16:20.43`	`Legorol`	`oh he pulls threat all the time`
`16:20.47`	`Legorol`	`and then whines about dying :D`
`16:20.50`	`Bela\|work`	`then he needs to get that talent`
`16:20.57`	`Legorol`	`btw one problem with him is that he is one of the most difficult people personality wise`
`16:21.06`	`Legorol`	`just doesn't take any suggestions or criticisms well at all`
`16:21.20`	`Bela\|work`	`link him my armory`
`16:21.21`	`Legorol`	`there is a snowball's chance in hell i will be able to convince him to change anything he disagrees with`
`16:21.25`	`Legorol`	`see case of LHW vs. CS`
`16:21.29`	`Bela\|work`	`and then tell him to seriously consider the talent`
`16:21.33`	`Cide`	`so just gremove him`
`16:21.36`	`Cide`	`problem solved!`
`16:21.36`	`Bela\|work`	`at least as a trial`
`16:21.39`	`Legorol`	`Cide: can't afford to`
`16:21.50`	`Cide`	`tell him you will unless he fixes his shit then :P`
`16:21.53`	`Lunessa`	`Haha... I love Cide's "cut to the chase" attitude.`
`16:22.01`	`Legorol`	`Cide: can't`
`16:22.03`	`Bela\|work`	`I am the same way with people in my guild`
`16:22.16`	`Cide`	`meh, not trying hard enough imo`
`16:22.19`	`Bela\|work`	`in fact we are about to dump a priest because he runs out of mana 40% through every fight`
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`16:22.24`	`Bela\|work`	`and consistently comes in last on healing`
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`16:22.27`	`Legorol`	`there's a big point here that you guys don't know about :) our guild has very casual attitude to raiding`
`16:22.29`	`Bela\|work`	`and is PvP specced`
`16:22.31`	`Syzgyn`	`Legorol: if it doesnt become a problem now, guarantee it will later on. Best to nip it now`
`16:22.32`	`Bela\|work`	`and won't change it`
`16:22.33`	`Legorol`	`the members are not there for raiding's sake`
`16:22.43`	`Cide`	`so he won't care if he doesn't get into raids then! :P`
`16:22.44`	`Legorol`	`we have bunch of members because we do, and we try to make some raids happen with them`
`16:23.17`	`Syzgyn`	`ahhh`
`16:23.22`	`Legorol`	`you guys are missing the point :)`
`16:23.30`	`Syzgyn`	`your shaman is bad is the point`
`16:23.33`	`Legorol`	`we can't exclude people from raids based on performance`
`16:23.35`	`Syzgyn`	`dont think we missed it :P`
`16:23.37`	`Legorol`	`that i agree with`
`16:23.38`	`Syzgyn`	`sure you can :D`
`16:23.41`	`Legorol`	`he still is one of our best healers`
`16:23.41`	`Bela\|work`	`do you have any other healing shamans?`
`16:23.44`	`zenzelezz`	`got a thread you might like: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2843524485&sid=1`
`16:23.54`	`zenzelezz`	`"How not to apply to a guild"`
`16:23.55`	`Legorol`	`Syzgyn: no, not in our guild, as a guild policy/philosophy`
`16:24.00`	`Syzgyn`	`ah`
`16:24.06`	`Bela\|work`	`in my experience, if you get someone else that does his job better than him`
`16:24.06`	`Lunessa`	`Legorol: We're not missing the point. The point is you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and we're telling you to quit it. :P`
`16:24.11`	`Syzgyn`	`I was in a casual guild like that for most of Pre-BC`
`16:24.12`	`Bela\|work`	`you persuade him easier`
`16:24.17`	`Syzgyn`	`we had almost no progress`
`16:24.18`	`Legorol`	`lol Lunessa, good way of putting it`
`16:24.45`	`Legorol`	`Syzgyn: and that's fine with us, we prioritise dicking around over progress`
`16:24.53`	`Legorol`	`if we make some progress, great`
`16:25.01`	`Legorol`	`i was merely curious about the whole healing thing from a technical pov :)`
`16:25.11`	`Legorol`	`i am not in a position to argue with him or ditch him`
`16:25.20`	`Lunessa`	`See, if you want him to change, but you don't have any real reason to make him changes, and he doesn't want to change... quit fucking trying to make him change.`
`16:25.53`	`Legorol`	`Lunessa: i want him to change, but i'm not trying to make him change ;-)`
`16:25.56`	`Legorol`	`subtle difference`
`16:26.22`	`Legorol`	`and as i said, the questions were to better my understanding of shaman healing, not so that i can go back to him and say "see this is what they told me"`
`16:26.23`	`Legorol`	`i think this horse is dead :)`
`16:26.27`	`Syzgyn`	`agreed`
`16:26.30`	`Syzgyn`	`so`
`16:26.38`	`Syzgyn`	`Pie VS Cake! GO!`
`16:26.40`	`Lunessa`	`But he has no reason to change. He doesn't care as much about raiding as 'dicking around' so he'll never focus on ways to be better at it.`
`16:26.59`	`Legorol`	`dead horse :)`
`16:27.26`	`Syzgyn`	`grats on giving everyone something to vent about for 20 min though D:`
`16:27.29`	`Syzgyn`	`:D`
`16:27.29`	`Bela\|work`	`Legorol: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t19181-shaman_how_heal_like_pro/`
`16:27.34`	`Legorol`	`alwaysa pleasure`
`16:27.39`	`Legorol`	`this channel needs topics ;-)`
`16:27.46`	`Legorol`	`btw, my pleasure was learning something interesting`
`16:27.46`	`Syzgyn`	`man that bombing run was a PITA`
`16:27.52`	`Bela\|work`	`that will explain everything that guy needs to know`
`16:27.57`	`Bela\|work`	`and if he disagrees with it, shoot him`
`16:27.58`	`Bela\|work`	`in the head`
`16:28.05`	`Legorol`	`Bela\|work: that will explain everything I am curious about`
`16:28.08`	`Legorol`	`he will never read it`
`16:28.13`	`Legorol`	`as i said, dead horse`
`16:28.23`	`Atriace`	`Make glue. :)`
`16:28.49`	`Bela\|work`	`of note: Shaman are best at healing multiple targets that are standing near each. Assign them to heal melee or simply keep the entire raid topped off. In a 25-man raid, you should see their chain heal constantly jumping from player to player.`
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`16:29.43`	`Atriace`	`local vars can only be accessed from within a mod creating them, right?`
`16:29.53`	`Bela\|work`	`within a single file`
`16:30.17`	`Syzgyn`	`if you make them local yes`
`16:30.20`	`Bela\|work`	`you can't access the locals from File1.lua in File2.lua unless you save them globally somehow`
`16:30.26`	`Atriace`	`Gotchya`
`16:30.31`	`Bela\|work`	`or pass them`
`16:30.48`	`Bela\|work`	`like a return value from a function`
`16:32.10`	`Atriace`	`Do the number of functions you create have any implications on processing time?`
`16:32.25`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`the frequency of your creating them does`
`16:32.29`	`Bela\|work`	`not really. its more about how you implement them`
`16:32.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not the raw quantity`
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`16:32.40`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`i.e., this would be bad:`
`16:32.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() return function() end end);`
`16:33.13`	`Atriace`	`hehe... yeah. I played with OnUpdate yesterday. Fun stuff.`
`16:33.44`	`Bela\|work`	`I dont know if its been fixed, but I have seen OnUpdate scripts with for loops lock up a client`
`16:34.21`	`Cide`	`me too: for i=1, 2, 0 do end`
`16:34.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`rofl`
`16:34.29`	`Bela\|work`	`lol`
`16:34.35`	`Bela\|work`	`that was early in my noob coding days`
`16:34.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but yeah I use a for loop in Conspiracy's OnUpdate`
`16:34.39`	`Bela\|work`	`when the game first came out`
`16:34.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`seems to work fine`
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`16:35.10`	`Legorol`	`zenzelezz: awesome link, thanks for that`
`16:36.09`	`Atriace`	`Also, when loading a mod, are all the assets of a mod loaded regardless of if they're referenced by the code (ie., textures) or do those textures only get loaded when called upon?`
`16:37.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`well, WoW can't really tell that something might be used`
`16:37.06`	`Bela\|work`	`loaded as references I believe. Meaning you can load them, but if you add a texture AFTER you have started the game, it can't be accessed`
`16:37.09`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`so my understanding is that it just loads everything`
`16:37.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`which is why, as Bela\|work said, if you add something after you started, it won't be accessible`
`16:37.33`	`Atriace`	`Bela: that I've noticed, though...`
`16:37.35`	`Legorol`	`it doesn't load any files such as textures, until the addon actually uses it`
`16:37.45`	`Legorol`	`however, it caches a list of files in the addon folder, so that you can't add files later`
`16:37.47`	`Bela\|work`	`right`
`16:38.02`	`Atriace`	`Ah, ok. I was going to propose something like that.`
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`16:38.33`	`Atriace`	`Because I've noticed some lag time when showing this one texture for the first time after login.`
`16:38.34`	`Legorol`	`that's how it works i bleeive`
`16:38.46`	`Bela\|work`	`how large of a texture`
`16:38.47`	`Legorol`	`Atriace: that's unlikely to be due to a single texture`
`16:38.58`	`Atriace`	`512x512, uncompressed targa`
`16:38.58`	`Legorol`	`are you sure you are not forcing another on-demand addon to load (directly or indirectly)`
`16:39.06`	`Bela\|work`	`and is it a simple :Show() ?`
`16:39.10`	`Atriace`	`Yep`
`16:39.20`	`Bela\|work`	`lol, how large is teh file`
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`16:39.38`	`Bela\|work`	`maybe your computer is just choking on it being cached into memory`
`16:39.38`	`Atriace`	`I shouldn't expect it to be more than maybe 600K... don't know. Lemme check`
`16:40.03`	`Atriace`	`heh, no it's 1.1MB.`
`16:40.04`	`Cide`	`test: make it 1x1 and see if it still happens`
`16:40.04`	`Legorol`	`badly fragmented hard disk maybe?`
`16:40.14`	`Bela\|work`	`1.1mb yum`
`16:40.22`	`Atriace`	`Lag time = 1.5 sec or so.`
`16:40.58`	`Bela\|work`	`could be a lot of things, can you optimize the graphic without losing too much quality?`
`16:41.20`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/bshit/bouncing_tits.gif`
`16:41.22`	`Bela\|work`	`like reduce the color depth, then save is again at full color depth`
`16:41.25`	`Bela\|work`	`usually that is enough`
`16:41.25`	`Atriace`	`Oh, I plan to convert them all to BLP once the coding is done.`
`16:41.55`	`Atriace`	`There's also a lot of SetText that happens to the same frame. I wonder if that's causing it.`
`16:42.09`	`Atriace`	`The SetText is run at OnLoad, but the frame is hiden`
`16:42.27`	`Atriace`	`I wonder if it doesn't actually do it until the Frame is :Show()`
`16:42.47`	`Lunessa`	`I shall return later.`
`16:43.07`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`* Copyright 2006 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.`
`16:43.07`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`* SUN PROPRIETARY/CONFIDENTIAL. Use is subject to license terms.`
`16:43.17`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`o.O the Java class Object is confidential?`
`16:45.17`	`Atriace`	`Oh... hehe. No, there's no lag time now. (forgot I was testing it on my old 800MHz tower instead of my zippy new comp)`
`16:45.29`	`ckknight_`	`Shirik\|Ecole: there's trade secrets involved`
`16:45.35`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge dabujo (i=xx@p54ACAD18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`16:45.36`	`ckknight_`	`who knows what Object _actually_ oes`
`16:45.38`	`ckknight_`	`does*`
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`16:46.44`	`Syzgyn`	`ckknight new what Object did`
`16:46.51`	`Syzgyn`	`and they had to silence him because of it`
`16:47.00`	`ckknight_`	`knew`
`16:47.07`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah, I'm tired :\`
`16:48.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`ckknight_ if you see ellipsis tell her she can probably use IceHUD now`
`16:48.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`16:48.42`	`ckknight_`	`she's lying next to me`
`16:48.52`	`ckknight_`	`cute when she's asleep`
`16:49.34`	`TecnoBrat`	`lol`
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`16:55.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`[main] Contended Monitor: erau.intellibrain.host.IntelliBrainHost$Response`
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`16:55.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`That is by far the coolest set of words my debugger has ever said`
`16:55.52`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it sounds so complicated`
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`16:58.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and it's definitely in the set of code that has a try with no catch`
`17:00.04`	`Cide`	`told you`
`17:00.06`	`Cide`	`thereis always a catch`
`17:00.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I have proof there is no catch`
`17:00.52`	`Cide`	`why is that even useful? :P`
`17:01.05`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`reduction of redundant code`
`17:01.28`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/82091-4a9t`
`17:01.32`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@adsl-71-141-96-97.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)`
`17:01.40`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`in fact`
`17:01.44`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I could wrap the whole function in it`
`17:01.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that might be better`
`17:01.58`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kalroth_ (n=kalroth@port114.ds1-hj.adsl.cybercity.dk)`
`17:03.25`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that way, whether the block is exited, returned from, or thrown from, I can guarantee that I'll release the monitor`
`17:03.52`	`Cide`	`ah`
`17:04.50`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Here this is even better`
`17:04.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/82092`
`17:07.02`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge TS\|Skrom_ (n=TS\|Skrom@mail.shippingu.com)`
`17:07.13`	`Kalroth_`	`/ Yes, I know there's no catch. Get over it`
`17:07.17`	`Kalroth_`	`Aww`
`17:07.25`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge TS\|Skrom_ (n=TS\|Skrom@mail.shippingu.com)`
`17:07.31`	`Kalroth_`	`Shirik\|Ecole: There's no catch!!`
`17:11.08`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`there's definitely no catch`
`17:11.45`	`Kalroth_`	`pun not intended :(`
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`17:13.14`	`cog\|work`	`# OCD comment placement`
`17:13.20`	`cog\|work`	`^ /giggle`
`17:13.43`	`cog\|work`	`( http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/doc/example-python.asp )`
`17:14.03`	`Cide`	`haha`
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`17:24.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`sigh`
`17:24.27`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I remember why I like C++ again`
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`17:29.17`	`Shizen`	`and you're writing in what now, Shirik ?`
`17:30.36`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Java /cry`
`17:30.39`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`They forced me to`
`17:30.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and I've been kicking and screaming ever since`
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`17:31.16`	`oreth\|`	`Shirik: Find a python wrapper for Java`
`17:31.20`	`oreth\|`	`then, live free`
`17:31.31`	`Shizen`	`>_>`
`17:31.35`	`Cide`	`sounds like a pretty bad idea :P`
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`17:31.44`	`oreth\|`	`Cide: your words hurt`
`17:31.46`	`Shizen`	`or disregard and use C++ anyway`
`17:31.57`	`Shizen`	`nothing Java can do that C++ can't, and far better`
`17:31.57`	`Cide`	`don't get me wrong though, I love python`
`17:32.01`	`oreth\|`	`I'm working on a .Net app at work.`
`17:32.10`	`oreth\|`	`I'm tempted to just IronPython my way through it`
`17:32.19`	`oreth\|`	`problem is, we are using proprietary libraries and APIs`
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`17:32.41`	`Shizen`	`heh`
`17:32.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`oreth: And how should I get python to run?`
`17:32.48`	`Shizen`	`proprietary stuffs ftl`
`17:32.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Shizen: Yes`
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`17:32.57`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`there is`
`17:33.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`C++ can do friends, Java can't`
`17:33.08`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`C++ can do explicit deletes, Java can't`
`17:33.12`	`Shizen`	`errrr`
`17:33.19`	`Shizen`	`you're reading it reversedly Shirik`
`17:33.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`oh`
`17:33.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`yeah sorry ><`
`17:33.29`	`Shizen`	`for one`
`17:33.31`	`Shizen`	`I hate Java :P`
`17:33.36`	`Shizen`	`why would I sing praise for one I hate ?`
`17:34.02`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`anyway oreth\| unless python is written in Java, I'm not going to be able to do that`
`17:34.10`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and if python is written in Java.... what's the point?`
`17:34.34`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and Shizen, I can't "disregard" without buying a new PCB and processor`
`17:34.54`	`Shizen`	`o.O`
`17:34.58`	`Shizen`	`you're writing for what anyway ?`
`17:35.08`	`Shizen`	`sounds like a microprocessor/microcontroller`
`17:35.11`	`Shizen`	`oh wait...`
`17:35.13`	`Shizen`	`don't tell me...`
`17:35.20`	`Shizen`	`that 'problem board' ?`
`17:35.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`no that one's in C++`
`17:35.34`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but I'm working on two robots`
`17:35.51`	`Shizen`	`mm okay`
`17:35.58`	`Ansu`	`Is it just me, or are the PTR servers down too?`
`17:36.07`	`Shizen`	`I can't imagine Java-ing your way into boards like that`
`17:36.07`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`sigh, Lua has made my mind rot too`
`17:36.12`	`Shizen`	`Ansu : all servers are down I think`
`17:36.19`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I just did this, and hoped it would work`
`17:36.23`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`host.transmitPacket(CommandCodes.CMD_DIGITAL_SET, {high?(byte)1:(byte)0}, null);`
`17:36.27`	`Ansu`	`You know who I am, Shizen?`
`17:36.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but you can't make an array in the middle of a function :<`
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`17:36.33`	`Ansu`	`Oh duh`
`17:36.43`	`Ansu`	`How'd my nick change, I wonder.`
`17:36.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`You're omnizeta Ansu`
`17:36.46`	`Shizen`	`Ansu : no, I don't know who you are`
`17:36.55`	`widgertick`	`~seen Maul`
`17:37.04`	`purl`	`maul <i=43bd3483@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-a01741ec293c2a60> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 68d 20h 46m 12s ago, saying: 'that in-combat coloring by itself is pretty nice'.`
`17:37.04`	`nevcairiel`	`EU PTR is up and running, oh well EU Live realms are too, so whats the point`
`17:37.04`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`~wave widgertick`
`17:37.05`	`purl`	`Bye, widgertick`
`17:37.05`	`mikma`	`meh`
`17:37.07`	`Shizen`	`nevcairiel : lol`
`17:37.09`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not bye!`
`17:37.10`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`hello!`
`17:37.13`	`widgertick`	`Heya Shirik`
`17:37.16`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`headdesk`
`17:37.18`	`widgertick`	`Wow, that was a long time ago =P`
`17:37.25`	`Shizen`	`stop headdesking Shirik`
`17:37.28`	`Shizen`	`poor desk :\|`
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`17:37.38`	`Shizen`	`why wold you need to /part to change nick ?`
`17:37.46`	`nevcairiel`	`to be cool, i guess`
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`17:37.53`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Anyway Shizen, problem is it's a java chip`
`17:37.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it only runs java code`
`17:37.59`	`Shizen`	`it's...`
`17:38.03`	`Shizen`	`it's A WHAT CHIP ????`
`17:38.13`	`Shizen`	`SHUCK IT! Nooooowwwwww !!!`
`17:38.14`	`nevcairiel`	`people really build java chips? what a cruel world`
`17:38.20`	`Shizen`	`quickly!`
`17:38.27`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`in theory there is a tiny microcontroller on board tooo`
`17:38.30`	`Shizen`	`exorcise ! ><`
`17:38.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`for native code`
`17:38.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but it's incredibly slow`
`17:38.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`for great justice`
`17:38.43`	`Shizen`	`what arch btw ?`
`17:38.52`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not a clue`
`17:38.52`	`Shizen`	`Arms ?`
`17:38.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it seems proprietary`
`17:39.08`	`Shizen`	`or 'we make our own codeset shucks to be you' type`
`17:39.13`	`Shizen`	`... yeh...`
`17:39.57`	`Shizen`	`grrrr`
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`17:40.30`	`Shizen`	`waste $352 and a few days of my life to attend a 'possible job interview' or just shuck it and...`
`17:41.02`	`ralfWORK`	`Shizen: what's the situation?`
`17:41.28`	`Shizen`	`situation is, I'm here in Kota Bharu, Kelantan, Malaysia. and the interview took place in Aceh, Indonesia`
`17:41.47`	`Shizen`	`thereby needing me to take a plane to be able to meet the interview, which is held on friday...`
`17:41.53`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I didn't know you're from malaysia`
`17:41.56`	`Shizen`	`and today's wednesday already...`
`17:42.08`	`Shizen`	`yes sir, I am`
`17:42.40`	`Shizen`	`well I never mentioned it since nobody asked :p`
`17:42.55`	`ralfWORK`	`Shizen: you from there or just working there?`
`17:43.10`	`Shizen`	`I'm native :3`
`17:43.15`	`ralfWORK`	`cool`
`17:43.16`	`Shizen`	`well... from my father's side that is`
`17:44.38`	`ralfWORK`	`are you out of work?`
`17:45.48`	`Shizen`	`well not technically`
`17:46.10`	`Shizen`	`I have a job at RentACoder, a few contractual works at times... but nothing 'firm' to rely on, if you know what I mean`
`17:46.23`	`ralfWORK`	`ah yes I do`
`17:46.37`	`Shizen`	`actually I'm gonna try to shoot for Rohm Wako tomorrow`
`17:47.06`	`Shizen`	`if I can somehow get 'prospect' I might not have to go to this ridiculously short-timed interview dateline...`
`17:50.40`	`ralfWORK`	`so we did ZA last night`
`17:50.47`	`ralfWORK`	`pally plate healing gear dropped off bear boss`
`17:51.00`	`Shizen`	`nice`
`17:51.04`	`ralfWORK`	`no pally in the group`
`17:51.19`	`ralfWORK`	`how about the prot warrior almost rolled on it`
`17:51.26`	`ralfWORK`	`"it has more armor"`
`17:51.53`	`ralfWORK`	`the prot warrior has his T4 helm, mind you`
`17:52.02`	`ralfWORK`	`I cried and cried and cried`
`17:52.40`	`Bela\|work`	`excuse my ignorance, but are ptr down or something?`
`17:52.51`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`nou`
`17:52.53`	`ralfWORK`	`Bela\|work: someone else was asking that`
`17:52.53`	`Shizen`	`haven't checked but I'm guessing it is`
`17:53.01`	`ralfWORK`	`but I don't recall the answer`
`17:53.12`	`Bela\|work`	`cant get connected to the login`
`17:53.17`	`Bela\|work`	`oh well`
`17:53.25`	`Bela\|work`	`it IS tuesday`
`17:55.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`anyone got a clue what this means?`
`17:55.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\NetBeansProjects\intellibrain\src\erau\intellibrain\host\DigitalIO.java:95: an enclosing instance that contains erau.intellibrain.host.IntellibrainHost.Response is required`
`17:55.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`IntellibrainHost.Response responder = new IntellibrainHost.Response();`
`17:56.39`	`ralfWORK`	`nope!`
`17:57.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Needs more coffee`
`17:57.21`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`obviously you need an enclosing instance that contains erau.intellibrain.host.IntellibrainHost.Response`
`17:57.41`	`wereHamster`	`the error message is pretty clear :)`
`17:57.49`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`...`
`17:58.08`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`17:59.51`	`sysrage`	`http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Beer-cheaper-than-water-drives.3766594.jp`
`17:59.54`	`sysrage`	`sweeeet`
`18:00.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`why!!!`
`18:00.33`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`is there a ##java on freenode?`
`18:00.41`	`Cide`	`most likely`
`18:00.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ow`
`18:01.38`	`wereHamster`	`sysrage, it's been like that for ages in czech republic :)`
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`18:04.56`	`wereHamster`	`is ptr character copy again busted?`
`18:05.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's been down for a day or two now, wereHamster, ya.`
`18:05.35`	`cog\|work`	`"still" is more like it ;)`
`18:05.37`	`zenzelezz`	`... so one of our resto shamans was crying "zomg no elemental, NO WANT ROTASHUN", now he's gone enhancement and is crying "zomg want resto, NO WANT RESPEC"`
`18:05.53`	`wereHamster`	`this morning I had 4 copies left, even though I copied a character last week`
`18:05.57`	`zenzelezz`	`and is taking the time to flame our priest class mentor because he doesn't want to accept a resto applicant`
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`18:06.10`	`wereHamster`	`blizz did reset the ptr or something..`
`18:08.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Is not surprising, they'll do that a few times or more.`
`18:09.00`	`batrick`	`shirik`
`18:09.05`	`nevcairiel`	`at least this time my char finally arrived on the ptr =)`
`18:09.25`	`Shizen`	`3 copies of my characters arrived ;P`
`18:09.32`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`batrick`
`18:09.37`	`batrick`	`i was thinking about it, if you could put a string at stack position 10004 with the right starting characters you could have it execute code`
`18:09.44`	`wereHamster`	`I did the copy about 11am CET, and the character is not yet copied. I guess I have to get up earlier next time`
`18:09.57`	`batrick`	`but it would have to be a C function, like string.gmatch, that would execute that function`
`18:10.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`exactly what I was all over batrick`
`18:10.23`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`hm, no, it should be able to be just assembled code`
`18:10.27`	`batrick`	`you would need to abuse lua_upvalueindex() which I don't think lua internals use except in their api`
`18:10.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you just need to feed in an appropriate return address`
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`18:13.32`	`batrick`	`lua doesn't seem to use any of those pseudoindicese except in the api functions`
`18:13.48`	`batrick`	`i could be wrong`
`18:14.45`	`batrick`	`ya it doesn't`
`18:15.43`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'll find a way to get through ><`
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`18:18.54`	`Legorol`	`damn`
`18:19.08`	`Legorol`	`i'm one of those folks whose character got "swallowed" by the copy process`
`18:19.11`	`batrick`	`actually shirik don't bother`
`18:19.20`	`Legorol`	`and then i wasn't quick enough to do a new copy in the one hour after the copy page came back on`
`18:19.24`	`batrick`	`the way they have it set up to translate them to addresses won't work`
`18:19.58`	`batrick`	`take a look at index2adr in lapi.c`
`18:21.44`	`Lunessa`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/12/funny-pictures-i-missed-u-so-much/`
`18:22.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`batrick: I'll take a looksie :)`
`18:22.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm not really worried about how Lua is supposed to do this`
`18:22.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm worried about how close we are to the C stack`
`18:26.09`	`Cidan`	`I suspect it won't work`
`18:26.32`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'll show you all!`
`18:27.04`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`So anyway, I got this little invitation card from the school (since I work for them)`
`18:27.17`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`"Matthew Del Bueno: Computer & Software Engineering"`
`18:27.19`	`Cidan`	`Not that your method isn't sound; I just suspect that Blizzard has further safeguards`
`18:27.19`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`they spelled my name wrong -_-`
`18:27.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`oh I'm not worried about Blizzard :) just Lua in general`
`18:27.39`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`WoW's running on 5.1.2 anyway, the bug doesn't exist there`
`18:27.49`	`Cidan`	`Ah, that's right.`
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`18:28.51`	`Shizen`	`sigh`
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`18:29.06`	`Shizen`	`someone kill ALL these posters who post jobs on WRONG CATEGORIES`
`18:30.31`	`foxlit`	`That's good customer relations right there`
`18:31.01`	`Saint-N`	`how did they misspell yer last name?`
`18:31.02`	`Shizen`	`hm ?`
`18:31.13`	`Saint-N`	`you'd think PoopeyPants would be easy to remember`
`18:32.16`	`Saint-N`	`I guess no explained that posting incorrectly on the internet was a paddlin'`
`18:33.58`	`Lunessa`	`I love xkcd - http://xkcd.com/382/`
`18:35.36`	`Saint-N`	`heh`
`18:35.38`	`Saint-N`	`ya know`
`18:35.41`	`kamdis`	`lasers = win`
`18:35.52`	`Lunessa`	`lasers are lurv`
`18:35.55`	`Saint-N`	`a bunch of mortiticans and corpse recovery people need to make a lolcorpse site`
`18:36.01`	`ralfWORK`	`lazer eyes`
`18:36.10`	`Saint-N`	`lolcorpse would rock`
`18:36.36`	`ralfWORK`	`wtf`
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`18:38.33`	`Lunessa`	`Mmm... Not so sure I want lol pictures of real dead people.`
`18:39.13`	`Saint-N`	`it's perfect`
`18:39.18`	`Saint-N`	`take any lolcat comment`
`18:39.28`	`Saint-N`	`cut off the last few words and replace with braaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnns`
`18:39.32`	`Saint-N`	`tada!`
`18:39.34`	`Saint-N`	`lolcorpse!`
`18:39.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`icanhasbrains.com?`
`18:39.47`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`I CAN HAS BRAAAAAAAAAAAAINS`
`18:39.48`	`Saint-N`	`yes`
`18:39.52`	`Saint-N`	`see`
`18:39.55`	`Saint-N`	`it's perfect!`
`18:40.01`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`I MADED YOU A BRAAAAAAAAAAAAINS BUT I EATED IT`
`18:40.09`	`Saint-N`	`if you loved me you'd come down and let me eat your braaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnns`
`18:40.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Zombies love Ikea.`
`18:40.38`	`ralfWORK`	`hmm`
`18:40.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No really.`
`18:40.54`	`ralfWORK`	`2 brains in a jars next to eachother`
`18:41.05`	`ralfWORK`	`"I luv u but this kan nevar b"`
`18:41.22`	`Saint-N`	`those aren't zombies peppy`
`18:41.27`	`Saint-N`	`they're called "hipsters"`
`18:41.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nope. Zombies love to shop at Ikea after eating brains. I read it.`
`18:41.44`	`Saint-N`	`they just smell like corpses`
`18:42.03`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`what would you replace invisible bicycle with`
`18:42.23`	`ralfWORK`	`nothing; you just make a caption that says "invisible bicycle"`
`18:42.30`	`Lunessa`	`Invisible Braaaaiiiiins`
`18:42.33`	`Saint-N`	`hehe click http://icanhasbrains.com`
`18:42.44`	`Saint-N`	`dammit it's taken!`
`18:42.46`	`ralfWORK`	`oh snap!`
`18:42.50`	`ralfWORK`	`ZOMG`
`18:43.03`	`Lunessa`	`~fail`
`18:43.10`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`i wonder`
`18:43.17`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`is there an icoveredwarsyouknow.com`
`18:43.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`sniff i wanted brains`
`18:44.02`	`Saint-N`	`an entire zombie based lolcats would rule`
`18:44.06`	`Saint-N`	`someone go start it`
`18:44.18`	`ralfWORK`	`problem is`
`18:44.21`	`Lunessa`	`All we wanna do is eat your brains. We're not unreasonable; I mean no one's gonna eat your eyes.`
`18:44.25`	`ralfWORK`	`it's pretty easy to get cat pictures`
`18:44.36`	`ralfWORK`	`not so easy to get zombie pictres :(`
`18:44.44`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`man`
`18:44.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I like the eyes in my martinis.`
`18:44.49`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`now i want to go play some dead rising`
`18:44.53`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`thanks jerks`
`18:44.55`	`Lunessa`	`World Weekly News would pay big money for real zombie pictures.`
`18:44.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`the eyes are the juicy part`
`18:44.57`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`i can't for another 3 hours`
`18:44.58`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`:(`
`18:45.51`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhYd313GOyQ&feature=related`
`18:45.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`have a martini instead`
`18:45.56`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`I'VE COVERED WARS, YOU KNOW`
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`18:46.30`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`dammit i wanna play that now`
`18:46.34`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`there's a hilarious glitch`
`18:46.55`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`in which one part he takes off his sunglasses, but if you already are wearing some, he takes off one pair to reveal another pair underneath`
`18:47.02`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`18:47.04`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`it's great with the lennon glasses`
`18:47.07`	`ralfWORK`	`oh snap show us your tits sweetheart`
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`18:47.39`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`because you can't see the lennon glasses under his normal ones`
`18:47.41`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`so it's stunning`
`18:47.45`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`18:47.53`	`ralfWORK`	`silent hill 3 had some good ones`
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`18:47.59`	`ralfWORK`	`where if you beat it a few times`
`18:48.10`	`ralfWORK`	`in the cut scenes you'd be dressed in a teddy bear outfit`
`18:48.13`	`ralfWORK`	`absolutely hilarious`
`18:49.15`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`well`
`18:49.20`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`dead rising has complete outfit stuff`
`18:49.22`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`so like`
`18:49.27`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`you can run around in a dress`
`18:49.29`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`and it's hilarious`
`18:49.31`	`ralfWORK`	`hahahhhaaha`
`18:49.37`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`cutting zombies to bits in a dress with a battleaxe`
`18:49.43`	`ralfWORK`	`ok yea that's cool`
`18:51.25`	`ralfWORK`	`it's pretty nice though when you get the light saber`
`18:51.29`	`ralfWORK`	`makes the game lol`
`18:51.47`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`and the main character is a hairy hairy man`
`18:51.47`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`oh and you can wear high heels`
`18:51.47`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`its really really funny`
`18:51.48`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`and you can wear kids' clothes`
`18:51.48`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`and they're way too small`
`18:51.50`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`it's funny in the cutscenes when people look frightened :P`
`18:51.57`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`yes`
`18:51.58`	`ralfWORK`	`HAHAHAHHAHAH`
`18:52.04`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`there's a lightsaber in dead rising also i think`
`18:52.07`	`ralfWORK`	`nice`
`18:52.30`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`http://i.gametap.com/web30/eMagazine/emag_deadrising_360_062807_4_f5cd0.jpg`
`18:52.36`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`this is why we can't have nice things`
`18:52.49`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`18:53.12`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`also, megaman's gun`
`18:53.14`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`is unlockable`
`18:53.17`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`no charge, but sitll`
`18:53.22`	`ralfWORK`	`oh neat`
`18:53.25`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`it's fun`
`18:53.38`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`i tend to use the katana or minichainsaw though`
`18:53.42`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`ranged is kinda boring`
`18:55.32`	`ralfWORK`	`yea that's why I don't have a hunter`
`18:55.33`	`ralfWORK`	`lol naw`
`18:56.04`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`if you've got a 360 or a friend with one`
`18:56.11`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`give dead rising a try, damn fun game`
`18:59.28`	`ralfWORK`	`k`
`19:00.24`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`it's basically dawn of the dead only less scary and more capcom-asskicking-ish`
`19:00.45`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`pretty much anything you'd imagine to find in a mall and more can be used as weaponry`
`19:00.52`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`bowling balls, lawnmowers`
`19:00.53`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`fish`
`19:00.57`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`guitars`
`19:01.03`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`nerf guns`
`19:01.07`	`ralfWORK`	`hmm neat`
`19:01.12`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`shower heads`
`19:01.34`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`stabs through the top of their skull and blood sprays out of the shower head`
`19:01.38`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`it's hilarious`
`19:01.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The crap...?`
`19:01.59`	`ralfWORK`	`HAHAHAHAAH WOW`
`19:02.05`	`ralfWORK`	`ok yea that's pretty awesome`
`19:02.30`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`plus an industrial drill for excavating rock and stuff`
`19:02.40`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`that's pretty entertaining`
`19:03.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, not to break up the off-topic fun, but I have a question. I've never played with a scroll frame before, and I get to right now!`
`19:03.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... and it's not working`
`19:03.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/82097`
`19:04.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If I take out the scroll frame, the text displays fine`
`19:04.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If I leave it in, it just sits there disabled with no visible text :/`
`19:04.43`	`foxlit`	`erm`
`19:04.53`	`foxlit`	`What happens if you remove FauxScrollFrameTemplate inheretance?`
`19:05.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nothing displays at all :D`
`19:05.19`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`well i'm useless at scripting so i'll just resume talking about wrecking zombies`
`19:05.21`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`:(`
`19:05.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Mr_Rabies3: feel free! I was just hoping to get someone's attention who could help ;)`
`19:06.19`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`hehe`
`19:06.28`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`i'm just kidding mang`
`19:06.37`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`but i am useless at scripting`
`19:06.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`ScytheBlade1: scroll frames suck`
`19:07.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Josh_Borke: I'm noticing that quickly`
`19:07.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Josh_Borke: unfortunately, it's not easy to display six+ pages of text in the new UI addons panel :D`
`19:07.40`	`Josh_Borke`	`nope, sure isn't`
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`19:08.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you have any ideas, please, lay them on me. That's the complete code, and I'm not pretending to be knowledgable about this :)`
`19:09.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can verify that the readme editbox is indeed the scrollchild`
`19:09.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But... still... just a blank box :/`
`19:09.59`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`obstruction!`
`19:10.40`	`Mr_Rabies3`	`brb`
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`19:12.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/IllegalAddonScrollFrame.jpg have a screenshot`
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`19:18.10`	`ralfWORK`	`hehehe getting someone else to read http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4493330818&sid=1`
`19:20.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I ... don't get it`
`19:20.58`	`Cide`	`you fail then`
`19:21.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I assume he's mixing attumen/attunement`
`19:22.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but I was unaware they're removing attunement`
`19:22.05`	`Shizen`	`think he be teh troll`
`19:22.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Deliberately to spoof the removal of BT/Hyjal attunements.`
`19:22.13`	`Shizen`	`that is doing a great job of keeping the troll`
`19:22.28`	`Shizen`	`yep they're going to remove attunements`
`19:22.38`	`Shizen`	`though that doesn't mean we can't do it anymore`
`19:22.41`	`Shizen`	`we just don't have to, anymore`
`19:22.47`	`ralfWORK`	`sigh`
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`19:23.16`	`Shizen`	`y'see the number of people who fell for that ralf ?`
`19:23.23`	`ralfWORK`	`Shizen: yes`
`19:23.28`	`ralfWORK`	`it's epic`
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`19:26.58`	`Shizen`	`heh`
`19:27.01`	`Shizen`	`see him quoting me ?`
`19:27.03`	`Shizen`	`or her`
`19:27.05`	`Shizen`	`mehhh`
`19:28.19`	`ralfWORK`	`Shizen: on the thread?`
`19:28.23`	`Shizen`	`nyar`
`19:28.57`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`wtf is "nyar" ?`
`19:29.02`	`Shizen`	`oh... nothing`
`19:29.16`	`Shizen`	`I sometimes have personality switch... disregard`
`19:30.00`	`zenzelezz`	`http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7673/wowscrnshot021208195901zn9.jpg <-- sneak advertising zomg`
`19:30.18`	`zenzelezz`	`(yes, I know "intel" is short for "intelligence")`
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`19:31.32`	`Shizen`	`ahhh it's good that you caught the 'mountains of corpses' in picture`
`19:31.39`	`Shizen`	`or rather mountain of bones`
`19:31.44`	`ralfWORK`	`so I'm curious`
`19:31.56`	`ralfWORK`	`about what level of gearing do you have to be to kill the BC world bosses?`
`19:32.25`	`Shizen`	`you mean Kazzak and Doomwalker ?`
`19:32.28`	`ralfWORK`	`ya`
`19:32.31`	`Shizen`	`mmmm`
`19:32.40`	`ralfWORK`	`T4, 5 or 6 gearing?`
`19:32.42`	`Shizen`	`my guildies took 'em down with half-Kara gear I think`
`19:32.50`	`ralfWORK`	`oh ya?`
`19:32.55`	`ralfWORK`	`how many ppl? 25 or 40?`
`19:32.55`	`Shizen`	`I didn't ask what they're wearing when they took 'em down`
`19:33.09`	`Shizen`	`didn't ask that either :o`
`19:33.16`	`ralfWORK`	`uhm... lol k`
`19:33.45`	`zenzelezz`	`Kazzak isn't that hard if you have the tactic; certainly don't need more than ~20 people in fair gear I think`
`19:33.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lol zenzelezz`
`19:33.48`	`zenzelezz`	`Doomwalker is harder`
`19:33.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually a reference to`
`19:33.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Intel`
`19:34.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`you know, inside joke thingy`
`19:34.31`	`Shizen`	`haha`
`19:34.33`	`ralfWORK`	`zenzelezz: eh so ~20 epic geared folks could probably do Kazzak?`
`19:34.35`	`Shizen`	`might as well be`
`19:34.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What exactly is a "probiotic dairy drink", and why did it look like yogurt when I bought it by accident?`
`19:35.13`	`zenzelezz`	`ralfWORK: if the class/role balance is right, I think so. Can't remember if we were more than 20 when we took him; but it does depend`
`19:35.26`	`zenzelezz`	`basically the more people die, the harder he becomes, so taking 40 people is a risk`
`19:35.43`	`ralfWORK`	`zenzelezz: ahh I see`
`19:36.04`	`ralfWORK`	`just pondering when to plan for him`
`19:36.25`	`ralfWORK`	`before gruul/mag, after, during ssc/tk, after, what`
`19:36.48`	`zenzelezz`	`I'd say after Gruul/Mag, not sure how much later you'd need`
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`19:37.06`	`zenzelezz`	`if everyone stays alive you could bring a lot of people and DPS him down before he does his semi-enrage`
`19:37.27`	`kd3`	`key words are "stay alive", though`
`19:37.33`	`zenzelezz`	`very much so`
`19:37.38`	`ralfWORK`	`hehe`
`19:38.19`	`zenzelezz`	`if you ever attempt Doomwalker, you have to make sure people spread out... he does massive chain lightnings; and some other fun stuff`
`19:38.29`	`kd3`	`8K HP floor too`
`19:38.44`	`ralfWORK`	`eh ok`
`19:38.48`	`ralfWORK`	`well we don't have the numbers for gruul yet`
`19:38.52`	`ralfWORK`	`but that's good to know`
`19:38.57`	`zenzelezz`	`:)`
`19:39.52`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`kd3: the floor has hp?`
`19:39.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`like if you stand on it too long it dies?`
`19:39.59`	`kd3`	`...`
`19:40.03`	`Polarina`	`Level 1 Night Elf on Sunstrider Isle (PTR)! What is the e-mail to report him?`
`19:40.10`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm honestly confused :(`
`19:40.16`	`Cide`	`minimum of 8k hp :P`
`19:40.19`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`oh`
`19:40.20`	`kd3`	`^`
`19:40.20`	`Cide`	`or you will die`
`19:40.23`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`why?`
`19:40.25`	`cog\|work`	`math.floor nub`
`19:40.28`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`(never done the fight)`
`19:40.29`	`zenzelezz`	`Polarina: everyone who hasn't succeeded in copying their char is swimming level 1s there`
`19:40.32`	`kd3`	`the earthquake's 2k a tick, 4 ticks`
`19:40.38`	`kd3`	`everyone in the area is stunned for the duration`
`19:40.41`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ah`
`19:40.51`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that'd do it`
`19:40.59`	`zenzelezz`	`the real danger about Doomwalker is making a fool of yourself in front of all the BT guilds`
`19:41.04`	`Polarina`	`zenzelezz: NIGHT ELF!!`
`19:41.05`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I have over 8k hp raid buffed, I was just curious`
`19:41.27`	`kd3`	`meh, I've got nearly 8k with only AI/molten armor`
`19:41.39`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`:<`
`19:41.43`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Actually I think I have 7k unbuffed`
`19:41.48`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`which implies 8k self-buffed`
`19:41.52`	`Shizen`	`zenze : are you on PVP or PVE test ?`
`19:41.53`	`Polarina`	`Anyone remembers the e-mail?`
`19:42.01`	`kd3`	`wowgm@blizzard.com`
`19:42.09`	`zenzelezz`	`Shizen: no, I'm not :) Guildie posted the screenshot`
`19:42.12`	`Shizen`	`oh`
`19:42.14`	`Polarina`	`kd3: Thanks.`
`19:42.22`	`kd3`	`make sure that you mention that you're reporting the PTR`
`19:42.24`	`Shizen`	`still trying to find a group that would take a lousy geared rogue into MT >_>`
`19:42.30`	`Shizen`	`need to post some screeny for my guild`
`19:42.58`	`kd3`	`waitasec... a level 1 /night elf/?`
`19:43.04`	`kd3`	`not a belf?`
`19:43.14`	`ralfWORK`	`Shizen: mana tombs?`
`19:43.18`	`zenzelezz`	`what fun would a blood elf be there?`
`19:43.23`	`kd3`	`magister's terrace`
`19:43.27`	`ralfWORK`	`oh oh right`
`19:43.30`	`ralfWORK`	`GG bliz`
`19:43.35`	`Shizen`	`hurmmm`
`19:43.37`	`Polarina`	`kd3: Yes, night elf.`
`19:43.41`	`Shizen`	`okay I'm calling it MGT from now on`
`19:43.49`	`ralfWORK`	`idk what to call it`
`19:43.58`	`Shizen`	`or MST`
`19:44.02`	`kd3`	`MgT seems to be pretty common on PvE`
`19:44.05`	`Shizen`	`MagisterS' Terrace`
`19:44.17`	`Shizen`	`kd3 : you on PVE test ?`
`19:44.21`	`kd3`	`ya`
`19:44.29`	`Shizen`	`cool`
`19:44.33`	`Shizen`	`let's go to MST :P`
`19:44.40`	`kd3`	`in blade's edge atm`
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`19:45.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I think I'm not cut out to be a programmer`
`19:45.16`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I make too many stupid mistakes`
`19:45.27`	`ralfWORK`	`lolwut`
`19:45.36`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm sitting here trying to figure out why the heck this thread refuses to yield, so I go back to check the code`
`19:45.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`// if (currentIndex == 0) Thread.yield();`
`19:45.48`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`note the // at the beginning >.>`
`19:45.52`	`zenzelezz`	`that's part of the fun`
`19:45.52`	`cog\|work`	`syntax highlighting 4tw?`
`19:45.53`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`19:46.10`	`zenzelezz`	`like spending an hour figuring why your CRC function doesn't work when you're running it on the wrong buffer`
`19:46.27`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm sitting here messing with priorities and everything`
`19:46.36`	`zenzelezz`	`or two hours figuring out why your file stream won't work as expected when you used \|\| instead of \| for the bit flags`
`19:46.36`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`checking to ensure there's no problems with mutexes`
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`19:47.09`	`Shizen`	`or that time I learned the hard way why you do if ( <condition> == var ) instead of vice versa`
`19:48.44`	`zenzelezz`	`not sure I understand that one, what language and why?`
`19:49.11`	`Shizen`	`assignment versus logical comparison`
`19:49.30`	`Shizen`	`so if you do if ( condition = var ) your compiler will spew out those errors for you`
`19:49.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`aye, I've heard of that trick before`
`19:49.47`	`Shizen`	`instead of you pulling your hair wondering why the logical block never executes`
`19:49.50`	`zenzelezz`	`oh, when you said "vice cersa" I thought you meant (condition == var) vs. (var == condition)`
`19:50.02`	`Shizen`	`that's what I meant`
`19:50.03`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`well that's what she meant zenzelezz`
`19:50.11`	`Shizen`	`I use condition == var exclusively`
`19:50.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`thing is, if you do "var = condition" that's legal. "condition = var" is not`
`19:50.14`	`Shizen`	`and Shirik : I'm a he`
`19:50.17`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`he`
`19:50.18`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`whatever`
`19:50.24`	`zenzelezz`	`aha`
`19:50.49`	`zenzelezz`	`was about to ask if you somehow considered var==condition to be assignment... guess I'll have to make that mistake before I remember this one`
`19:51.07`	`krka`	`that's just a nasty trick - the compiler should always complain about such ambiguities`
`19:51.19`	`krka`	`java does that one properly`
`19:51.34`	`wereHamster`	`there's no ambiguity, it's all defined in the C standard..`
`19:51.36`	`Shizen`	`about what ambiguities ?`
`19:51.52`	`wereHamster`	`it's the people who don't understand the language`
`19:52.12`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`krka: In all honesty, Visual studio does complain about that, and I hate it`
`19:52.25`	`Shizen`	`about the vice-versa technique ?`
`19:52.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`because I DO use "if (var = x)" periodically`
`19:52.30`	`Shizen`	`ah`
`19:52.38`	`Shizen`	`well at least it complains :o`
`19:52.49`	`Shizen`	`probably because you put an assignment without the proper terminator`
`19:52.52`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I don't like my code having warnings`
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`19:53.00`	`Shizen`	`so you fix it`
`19:53.01`	`zenzelezz`	`just disable it with a pragma then`
`19:53.04`	`Shizen`	`and write it properly ;)`
`19:53.18`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`so I'm forced to either do something like "if (0 != (var = x))" or spend more time writing a pragma to remove the warning`
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`19:53.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and writing 3 lines of pragmas is more than just changing that one line, so it's pointless`
`19:53.39`	`krka`	`wereHamster: right, which is a problem with the language definition`
`19:53.44`	`wereHamster`	`Shirik\|Ecole, does the compiler complian on if ((var = x)) ?`
`19:53.53`	`krka`	`there are many languages who don't suffer the same problem`
`19:53.57`	`krka`	`lua is one of them :)`
`19:53.58`	`wereHamster`	`krka, you can see it either way ;)`
`19:54.11`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`wereHamster: Yes; in fact the documentation specifically says that won't help`
`19:54.11`	`Shizen`	`I don't see it as suffering`
`19:54.14`	`Shizen`	`I see it as a blessing`
`19:54.37`	`wereHamster`	`Shirik\|Ecole, it's java, right?`
`19:54.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`negative, C++`
`19:55.08`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`C4706 Level 4: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/7hw7c1he(VS.80).aspx`
`19:55.16`	`Shizen`	`h-mm`
`19:55.24`	`Shizen`	`you're using the professional edition right Shirik ?`
`19:55.25`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`The warning will occur even if you double the parentheses around the test condition:`
`19:55.31`	`Shizen`	`as opposed to the free Express version`
`19:55.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`If you intend to make your test value the result of an assignment, test to ensure that the assignment is non-zero or not null. For example, the following code will not generate this warning`
`19:55.39`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Yes I use professional`
`19:57.34`	`krka`	`i think it's a silly attitude to say this is not a problem with c and similar languages. the fact is that a typo or temporary insanity will create code that will compile fine but perform oddly.`
`19:58.09`	`krka`	`it would be better if c enforced: if ((x = y) != 0) {`
`19:58.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`~lart krka`
`19:58.31`	`purl`	`stamps krka on the forehead with the official Troll marker`
`19:58.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`LUA`
`19:58.33`	`Fin`	`aloha`
`19:58.33`	`krka`	`Josh_Borke: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon.`
`19:58.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`then one should argue that if (x) should also not be legal`
`19:58.44`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`(unless x were a bool)`
`19:58.49`	`krka`	`that's not the same thing at all - x is not an assignment`
`19:59.01`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`the = operator returns a value`
`19:59.08`	`krka`	`yeah i know`
`19:59.12`	`krka`	`that's the whole problem :)`
`19:59.19`	`wereHamster`	`krka, compile with -Werror or whatever the switch is that turns all warnings to fatal errors. the MS compiler warns about that construct, and so does gcc`
`19:59.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`so then I don't think it would be what you said above, but rather "it would be better if c had the restriction that operator = returns void"`
`19:59.40`	`krka`	`the compiler however, could easily disallow assignment operations as the top level conditional`
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`19:59.51`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but then you can't do things like "a = b = c = d"`
`20:00.40`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but meh, I'm not going to argue with krka, he has a valid point, and I myself argue with language definitions all the time`
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`20:00.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`like Lua's "^" operator that shouldn't exist`
`20:01.16`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I can respect an opinon even if I don't agree with it :) I grew up on C so I'm very much used to it by now`
`20:01.21`	`krka`	`agreed, ^ is unnecessary sugar in lua`
`20:01.30`	`krka`	`also easily confused with xor`
`20:01.41`	`Cide`	`: is also unnecessary sugar, but awesome`
`20:01.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`^ should not exist (as power) in any language >.> Python also shouldn't have **`
`20:01.57`	`krka`	`Cide: no, that's actually quite useful sugar`
`20:01.58`	`Cide`	`Shirik\|Ecole: meh.`
`20:02.12`	`Cide`	`krka: 'useful' is subjective`
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`20:02.18`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`However I'm not going to rag on python because they used "j" instead of "i"`
`20:02.28`	`Shizen`	`yay for j !`
`20:02.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Which is more than I can say about my TI-89`
`20:02.32`	`Shizen`	`LONG LIVE j !!`
`20:02.33`	`krka`	`Cide: without it, all object orientation stuff would be much harder to read`
`20:02.57`	`wereHamster`	`what does ^ in lua do?`
`20:03.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`power`
`20:03.07`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lua> 2^16`
`20:03.07`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik\|Ecole: 65536`
`20:03.09`	`wereHamster`	`math.tow?`
`20:03.13`	`wereHamster`	`math.pow()`
`20:03.41`	`Cide`	`krka: true`
`20:03.53`	`Shizen`	`hmm what would 2^99^99 be on that :P`
`20:03.57`	`krka`	`especially for complex expression`
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`20:04.16`	`malreth`	`woooo hooooo!!!`
`20:04.17`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lua> for x=-10,10,0.1 do for y = -10,10,0.1 do assert(x^y==math.pow(x,y), "Failing case: "..x.."^"..y) end end print("Unit test PASS");`
`20:04.17`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik\|Ecole: [string "for x=-10,10,0.1 do for y = -10,10,0.1 do a..."]:1: Failing case: -10^-9.9`
`20:04.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`malreth's fault`
`20:04.27`	`krka`	`x = (some long expression that returns the object).method((some long expression that returns the object), x, y, z)`
`20:04.35`	`malreth`	`can't be my fault, i'm out sick today`
`20:04.41`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lua> for x=-10,10,0.1 do for y = -10,10,0.1 do assert(math.abs(x^y-math.pow(x,y)) < 1e10, "Failing case: "..x.."^"..y) end end print("Unit test PASS");`
`20:04.41`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik\|Ecole: [string "for x=-10,10,0.1 do for y = -10,10,0.1 do a..."]:1: Failing case: -10^-9.9`
`20:04.44`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`??`
`20:04.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats exactly why it's your fault`
`20:04.51`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lua> -10^-9.9`
`20:04.51`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik\|Ecole: -1.2589254117942e-10`
`20:04.59`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lua> math.pow(-10, -9.9)`
`20:04.59`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik\|Ecole: nan,`
`20:05.03`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`interesting`
`20:05.07`	`Shizen`	`o.o`
`20:05.09`	`malreth`	`someone just screwed the pooch something fierce at one of my sites, tho`
`20:05.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`remote access?`
`20:05.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`from home`
`20:05.33`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`malreth: linux?`
`20:05.46`	`malreth`	`our lab rebuilding system relies on a central server to store files and registries for the pc clients`
`20:05.49`	`malreth`	`one server per site`
`20:05.53`	`malreth`	`it works great`
`20:06.11`	`malreth`	`unless someone who thinks they know what they're doing goes and DELETES THE REGISTRIES`
`20:06.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`of course`
`20:06.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I delete registries all the time`
`20:06.27`	`malreth`	`of course`
`20:06.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it's a great way to improve performance`
`20:06.33`	`malreth`	`yes... don't we all`
`20:06.46`	`malreth`	`improve yes... if by zero you mean great`
`20:06.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`no, you get rid of windows`
`20:06.58`	`malreth`	`it's infinitely better performance`
`20:06.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`huge performance boost`
`20:07.25`	`malreth`	`i think we're gonna be ok... just gotta disable lab rebuilds and then restore the registries from the latest backups`
`20:07.38`	`kd3`	`whatever happened to the FPS booster addon, shirik?`
`20:07.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lol`
`20:07.49`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it works`
`20:08.05`	`malreth`	`and then TERMINATE with EXTREME PREJUDICE the guy that did this`
`20:08.10`	`ralfWORK`	`what's it do?`
`20:08.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`boosts FPS?`
`20:08.17`	`ralfWORK`	`sigh`
`20:08.21`	`ralfWORK`	`how does it boost FPS`
`20:08.33`	`kd3`	`it uses ace`
`20:08.40`	`malreth`	`ralfWORK: by reducing the amount of work that the graphic card has to do`
`20:08.44`	`malreth`	`snicker`
`20:08.53`	`\|pez\|`	`by quitting WoW, ofcourse.`
`20:08.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`no`
`20:08.57`	`ralfWORK`	`~lart malreth`
`20:08.58`	`purl`	`crushes malreth with a full height scsi disk`
`20:08.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`wow still runs`
`20:09.04`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ralfWORK: It's true`
`20:09.11`	`malreth`	`~malreth`
`20:09.12`	`purl`	`malreth is always right`
`20:09.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I practically eliminate all 3d calculations`
`20:09.32`	`malreth`	`hah! i'm actually right for a change.`
`20:09.41`	`ralfWORK`	`I wouldn't have thought such a thing possible with an addon`
`20:09.43`	`ralfWORK`	`interesting`
`20:10.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it's very fun. I can give you half of it if you want to run a script`
`20:10.02`	`malreth`	`more than just possible... mega-possible`
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`20:10.10`	`ralfWORK`	`UNPOSSIBLE`
`20:10.14`	`malreth`	`perhaps even omega-possible`
`20:10.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`for the full-blown FPS increase though you'd need to run the addon`
`20:10.25`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`want the script to try it out?`
`20:10.31`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm on a mac, will it matter?`
`20:10.36`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`nope, should work on all`
`20:10.54`	`ralfWORK`	`will it turn all my graphic settings down to low res stuff?`
`20:10.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`(see what you started kd3?)`
`20:11.05`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`nope, it won't touch any of your settings`
`20:11.14`	`ralfWORK`	`WILL IT MAKE GREMLINS COME OUT OF THE COMPUTER?!`
`20:11.15`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`in fact, once you relog, it will be back to your old crappy fps again`
`20:11.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`nothing's permanent`
`20:12.01`	`sysrage`	`i don't doubt you, just amazed. how on earth can an addon eliminate 3d calculations?`
`20:12.09`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`practically eliminate`
`20:12.11`	`sysrage`	`and where can i get this addon?`
`20:12.12`	`ralfWORK`	`sysrage: yea same here`
`20:12.15`	`malreth`	`it's easy`
`20:12.17`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm sure there are a few other calculations going on`
`20:12.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but the majority of them are gone`
`20:12.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`again, you can simulate the experience with a script`
`20:12.38`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`want it?`
`20:12.41`	`malreth`	`Shirik\|Ecole: just give them the script`
`20:12.43`	`sysrage`	`can't have the addon?`
`20:12.49`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not really finished yet :)`
`20:12.58`	`sysrage`	`okie hook me up with the script then :)`
`20:13.05`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ok just type /script WorldFrame:Hide()`
`20:13.10`	`sysrage`	`hilarious`
`20:13.36`	`ralfWORK`	`lewl`
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`20:13.51`	`foxlit`	`meh, * should be placed with + too!`
`20:13.56`	`sysrage`	`i got trolled by a code geek :(`
`20:14.03`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`<3 sysrage`
`20:14.10`	`ralfWORK`	`rickrolled?`
`20:14.12`	`malreth`	`Shirik\|Ecole: your addon, after it works its magic, should display a single checkbox at the bottom of the screen that's labeled, "Reduce Performance" so they can undo your changes`
`20:14.15`	`sysrage`	`lol`
`20:14.19`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`now help me figure out what's wrong with my bot`
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`20:14.26`	`Lunessa`	`lol`
`20:14.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`This is all I can see on the screen (it got cut off)`
`20:14.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`FATAL ERROR`
`20:14.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`[UHX] Client.mai`
`20:14.39`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that's it`
`20:14.49`	`malreth`	`Lunessa: guess what...`
`20:14.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`oh and two red lights are flashing`
`20:15.17`	`Lunessa`	`You've won the lotto and are going to support me in the style to which I should like to become accustomed?`
`20:15.25`	`malreth`	`NO`
`20:15.35`	`Lunessa`	`Darn.`
`20:15.45`	`ralfWORK`	`fail`
`20:16.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`"Many years ago in Scotland, a new game was invented. It was ruled "Gentlemen Only...Ladies Forbidden" . . . and, thus, the word GOLF entered into the English language."`
`20:16.09`	`malreth`	`apple's offering us an additional discount on top of our edu pricing and they're gonna give us the 4 year warranties. told you we'd get what we want.`
`20:16.11`	`ralfWORK`	`Thunder_Child: woah neat`
`20:16.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`^^`
`20:16.27`	`Lunessa`	`malreth crap. Now I gotta get a job at UT`
`20:16.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`"The First couple to be shown in bed together on prime time TV were Fred and Wilma Flintstone."`
`20:16.53`	`ralfWORK`	`in Scotland?`
`20:16.53`	`malreth`	`we still have to get approval with upper management... that's where the proposal will fail if anyplace`
`20:17.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`ralfWORK, yes but there were tossing logs instead of hitting balls`
`20:17.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`they*`
`20:17.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`rofl batrick`
`20:17.51`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`"Letters appear to be missing, particularly 'X'"`
`20:18.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`"If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the air, the person died in battle. If the horse has one front leg in the air the person died as a result of wounds received in battle. If the horse has all four legs on the ground, the person died of natural causes."`
`20:19.13`	`ralfWORK`	`Thunder_Child: I did read that before`
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`20:20.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`"In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes. When you pulled on the ropes the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer to sleep on. Hence the phrase......... "goodnight, sleep tight.""`
`20:20.50`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`what the crap?`
`20:21.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`TORNADO WATCH has been issued for 32114 Expires at 23:00 EST on 2/12/08`
`20:21.21`	`ralfWORK`	`uh... ok`
`20:21.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`"In English pubs, ale is ordered by pints and quarts... So in old England, when customers got unruly, the bartender would yell at them "Mind your pints and quarts, and settle down.""`
`20:21.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`"It's where we get the phrase "mind your P's and Q's""`
`20:21.29`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I get these messages on my phone :P`
`20:21.32`	`Legorol`	`mmmm brownies!`
`20:21.41`	`Saint-N`	`actually that sleep tight refers to sailors and passengers on ships as well`
`20:21.46`	`Legorol`	`someone mentioned brownies the other day, and i realised i haven't had any for a long time... so i got some :)`
`20:21.50`	`Saint-N`	`sicne they used to tie them in at night and during storms`
`20:21.50`	`Legorol`	`anyone wants some brownies?`
`20:22.00`	`\|pez\|`	`I never did bake brownies. :\`
`20:22.05`	`\|pez\|`	`since last time I mentioned it.`
`20:22.12`	`\|pez\|`	`Can I have one? :o`
`20:22.31`	`Legorol`	`but only one!`
`20:22.46`	`Polarina`	`OMG! People say your internet connection speed and latency affects FPS...`
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`20:23.10`	`Lunessa`	`Sharpies - Making office workers high, legally for 30 years...`
`20:23.30`	`ralfWORK`	`Polarina: O RLY?`
`20:23.47`	`Kirkburn`	`http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2049/wowscrnshot021008053735ax2.jpg <-- check the combat log`
`20:23.59`	`Polarina`	`ralfWORK: On the PTR (EU PvE)`
`20:24.18`	`\|pez\|`	`People can play just fine on a 56k connection. But it'll probably go a bit slower on high populated areas. XD like... ironforge XD`
`20:24.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`20:24.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`he seriously says "Wow, that sucked. Oh well lets try again."?`
`20:24.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`rofl`
`20:24.47`	`Polarina`	`Kirkburn: LOL!`
`20:24.49`	`nevcairiel`	`its a placeholder text`
`20:24.55`	`nevcairiel`	`see PH :P`
`20:24.56`	`ralfWORK`	`lol wut`
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`20:25.06`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`20:25.18`	`Josh_Borke`	`does he just fall over dead?`
`20:25.25`	`Polarina`	`nevcairiel: What is PH?`
`20:25.32`	`nevcairiel`	`PlaceHolder :P`
`20:25.33`	`ralfWORK`	`but seriously, he says that?`
`20:25.35`	`ralfWORK`	`OHHHHH`
`20:25.37`	`ralfWORK`	`AHHAAHAHHAHAHAHA`
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`20:25.54`	`ralfWORK`	`placeholder so he can say something really awexomer later`
`20:27.21`	`Bela\|work`	`friend of mien showed me that too`
`20:27.28`	`Bela\|work`	`I like the current version`
`20:27.32`	`Bela\|work`	`"wow you guys suck"`
`20:27.40`	`ralfWORK`	`yea I think that's reasonable`
`20:28.11`	`malreth`	`lewz... reading my cow-orker's log entries for work completed for the day is hilarious. "more meetings, emails, some phone calls, blah... 8hrs"`
`20:28.54`	`ralfWORK`	`heh`
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`20:33.11`	`Shizen`	`Placeholder`
`20:33.16`	`Shizen`	`reminds me of that captain... >_>`
`20:33.28`	`Shizen`	`anyway... while I'm taking flight to Sunwell Plateau... browse`
`20:34.10`	`Shizen`	`wonder if they've fixed the graphic over fatigue water`
`20:34.20`	`kd3`	`prob not til the next build`
`20:34.25`	`Shizen`	`incorrect camera render imo`
`20:34.32`	`Shizen`	`hmm you've got a point`
`20:34.53`	`Shizen`	`since those issues are usually client-wise not server-wise`
`20:38.04`	`kd3`	`shizen; you do your daily quests for today?`
`20:38.14`	`Shizen`	`test ? or live ?`
`20:38.16`	`kd3`	`test`
`20:38.22`	`Shizen`	`about to head to SP to do 'em`
`20:38.29`	`kd3`	`what rep are you right now?`
`20:38.33`	`Shizen`	`and hang around and see if anyone wanna take a lowly rogue to MGT`
`20:38.37`	`Shizen`	`like... low...`
`20:38.38`	`Shizen`	`real low`
`20:38.42`	`kd3`	`neutral? friendly?`
`20:38.47`	`Shizen`	`ummm`
`20:38.49`	`ralfWORK`	`so how hard is MGT?`
`20:38.50`	`Shizen`	`lemme check`
`20:38.57`	`ralfWORK`	`or rather, how hard does it appear to be, so far`
`20:39.04`	`Shizen`	`ralfWORK : from what I heard, not too hard, but not your usual walk in the park either`
`20:39.08`	`kd3`	`it's hard. kael's an absolute pain of a fight on normal. even worse on heroic from what I've hearing`
`20:39.11`	`Shizen`	`think your usual heroic`
`20:39.22`	`kd3`	`the earlier bosses aren't that bad`
`20:39.27`	`ralfWORK`	`usual as in "not like Durnholde"? ;)`
`20:39.33`	`Shizen`	`w-elll`
`20:39.43`	`Shizen`	`Durnholde I wouldn't classify as 'hard' just 'painful'`
`20:39.47`	`ralfWORK`	`hahahaha`
`20:40.04`	`Shizen`	`especially the 'you don't have CC, they do' part`
`20:40.39`	`ralfWORK`	`durn heroic makes me want to beat myself in the genitals with a brick repeatedly`
`20:40.41`	`Shizen`	`1150 neutral, kd3`
`20:40.46`	`Shizen`	`and I just started yesterday :o`
`20:40.59`	`kd3`	`is the portal daily quest in shat available to you?`
`20:41.15`	`Shizen`	`if you mean the 'get mana something or other from those ethereal' then yes`
`20:41.30`	`Shizen`	`I just saw that today`
`20:41.35`	`Shizen`	`must be new addition`
`20:41.35`	`kd3`	`k. then the other dailies in the sanctum should be available as well`
`20:41.40`	`Lunessa`	`ralfWORK: Thanks. I'm now traumatized by your graphic display of self-abuse.`
`20:41.41`	`Shizen`	`well`
`20:41.48`	`Shizen`	`the dailies in the sanctum had been available since day 1`
`20:41.51`	`ralfWORK`	`Lunessa: blame blizz not me :(`
`20:41.56`	`kd3`	`we hit phase 2 around ~11 am this morning. he spawned then with the new NPCs in the sanctum`
`20:42.00`	`Shizen`	`you mean the sentries turnin and the energize crystal, right ?`
`20:42.09`	`kd3`	`those are at the staging area`
`20:42.18`	`Shizen`	`oh... sanctum... sanctum...`
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`20:42.29`	`Shizen`	`meh`
`20:42.33`	`Shizen`	`where you at kd3 ?`
`20:42.34`	`kd3`	`the sanctum's where you go to do those quests`
`20:42.37`	`kd3`	`flying there`
`20:42.40`	`Shizen`	`kk`
`20:42.42`	`Shizen`	`wanna party up ?`
`20:42.45`	`Shizen`	`<-- newb`
`20:43.00`	`kd3`	`I've done my dalies for the day. just trying to see if the p2 quests require friendly or not. but sure`
`20:43.19`	`kd3`	`toss me an invite as "Kaydeethree"`
`20:43.33`	`Shizen`	`amagad... "Razorthorn Flayer Gland"`
`20:43.52`	`Bela\|work`	`sounds tasty`
`20:43.52`	`Shizen`	`description : " Hurls the gland at a nearby Razorthorn Ravager."`
`20:43.59`	`Shizen`	`must be the Razorthorn Rise quest`
`20:44.03`	`ralfWORK`	`that sounds... bad?`
`20:44.11`	`Shizen`	`no comments yet`
`20:44.19`	`Bela\|work`	`Rise of the Razorthorn! and their Glands! Bring Snitary Wipes!`
`20:44.33`	`Shizen`	`>_>`
`20:44.35`	`Shizen`	`well`
`20:44.40`	`Shizen`	`there's also these 'mounds'`
`20:44.47`	`Bela\|work`	`uh oh`
`20:44.49`	`Shizen`	`that according to stuffs I can gather from Wowhead yesterday`
`20:44.55`	`Shizen`	`the ravager would dig up`
`20:45.17`	`Shizen`	`now wowhead have that item fresh today, so it seems we get those glands, throw at ravager, ravager dig mounds`
`20:45.21`	`Shizen`	`and we get... (what?)`
`20:47.09`	`Fin`	`what time is it in Beverly Hills right now?`
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`20:47.32`	`ralfWORK`	`Fin: maybe like 12:45 PM?`
`20:47.38`	`Fin`	`ralfWORK: thanks!`
`20:47.42`	`nevcairiel`	`sounds right`
`20:47.42`	`ralfWORK`	`(I think)`
`20:47.49`	`nevcairiel`	`altho its :47!`
`20:47.55`	`ralfWORK`	`oh hush`
`20:47.59`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`20:48.00`	`ralfWORK`	`NO U`
`20:48.06`	`Fin`	`heh`
`20:48.17`	`Fin`	`2 hours until the WGA vote starts then!`
`20:48.23`	`kd3`	`bah. wow crash. fun`
`20:48.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fin, 12:48`
`20:48.28`	`Fin`	`well, 1 hour and a quarter :)`
`20:48.42`	`ralfWORK`	`Fin: 1 hour and 12 minutes, actually`
`20:49.10`	`Fin`	`thanks Thunder_Child :) although you seem to suffer from the same problem as me where you don't read scrollback fully before answering? :) or were you just being useless for useless' sake`
`20:49.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmm...BH?`
`20:49.17`	`Fin`	`ralfWORK: I round :)`
`20:49.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`useless`
`20:49.21`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`20:49.35`	`Fin`	`Writers Guild Association`
`20:49.45`	`Fin`	`err`
`20:49.50`	`Fin`	`Writers Guild of America`
`20:49.57`	`ralfWORK`	`oh pfft`
`20:50.01`	`ralfWORK`	`we care why? :P`
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`20:50.38`	`Fin`	`you are not a consumer of popular culture such as any of the hundreds of affected shows?`
`20:50.41`	`foxlit`	`Because Stewart isn't as funny without them!`
`20:50.48`	`Fin`	`damn straight!`
`20:50.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`WGA isnt based in BH btw`
`20:50.54`	`ralfWORK`	`Fin: nope :)`
`20:51.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's west LA`
`20:51.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`3rd and fairfax`
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`20:51.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`You know, as much as I hate Java, I like some of the sensible things they did`
`20:51.33`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`such as "4;" not being a statement`
`20:51.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and giving you an error`
`20:51.40`	`Xinhuan`	`heh argent dawn is spamming my server (blackrock) that AD is down`
`20:51.41`	`Xinhuan`	`;D`
`20:51.45`	`Xinhuan`	`about 40 min now hehe`
`20:52.32`	`Fin`	`also I want new Ugly Betty, My Name is Earl, The Daily Show, Bionic Woman, Family Guy, Simpsons, American Dad, Dexter, and MAN who can live without America's Funniest Home Videos?!?`
`20:52.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`me`
`20:52.59`	`Fin`	`Celebrity Expose?`
`20:53.05`	`Fin`	`American Gladiators?`
`20:53.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`nope and nope`
`20:53.34`	`Fin`	`uhmmmm America's Most Wanted: America Fights Back?`
`20:53.38`	`Fin`	`COPS?`
`20:53.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`no and no`
`20:53.59`	`Bela\|work`	`Heroes`
`20:54.00`	`Fin`	`NFL Total Access!`
`20:54.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`hell no and no`
`20:54.11`	`Fin`	`oh fuck Heroes, I'd totally forgotten - man it's been too long`
`20:54.25`	`ralfWORK`	`shrug`
`20:54.42`	`ralfWORK`	`it's funny to me how much the world really doesn't shut down just because hollywood goes on strike`
`20:55.12`	`Fin`	`you might quite enjoy some of those (minus the sarcastic ones :), ralfWORK, they're great! but, each to their own of course :)`
`20:55.29`	`ralfWORK`	`oh I don't doubt that some of them are good`
`20:55.34`	`Fin`	`+, (earlier)`
`20:55.45`	`ralfWORK`	`<-- lost fan`
`20:56.01`	`Fin`	`ambiguity ftw!`
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`20:56.22`	`Fin`	`I went off Lost sometime through the second season`
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`20:57.01`	`ralfWORK`	`I don't stay up to date on it`
`20:57.05`	`ralfWORK`	`I wait for the box set`
`20:57.18`	`Fin`	`got to the point where I could no longer retain any real hope of some awesome underlying plot that would explain everything that was going on`
`20:57.42`	`Fin`	`the only hope for something that would wrap it up properly is something like Dallas' dream episode :(`
`20:57.48`	`ralfWORK`	`hehehehe`
`20:57.54`	`Bela\|work`	`I am up to dat eon Lost, but I am not a fan of this season so far`
`20:58.00`	`Bela\|work`	`its too weird`
`20:58.11`	`Bela\|work`	`and too all over the place`
`20:58.42`	`Bela\|work`	`its like they said "hey, I love how we did the season finale last season, lets make a whole season use that SAME STYLE!"`
`20:58.52`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`20:59.15`	`Fin`	`it reminded me of X-Files after a while, each episode is just /one/ /more/ /weird/ thing happening`
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`20:59.33`	`ralfWORK`	`that's a reasonable comparison`
`20:59.36`	`Fin`	`Heroes, now, that's another story (obv., but, hey, you know what I mean :)`
`20:59.37`	`Bela\|work`	`actually they aswered a LOT of questions in the first two episodes this season`
`20:59.39`	`Shizen`	`wow hard crash`
`20:59.43`	`Bela\|work`	`but as usual, they made more to replace them`
`21:00.09`	`Shizen`	`kd3 you're still in ?`
`21:00.12`	`kd3`	`ya`
`21:00.46`	`Shizen`	`ok`
`21:00.47`	`Shizen`	`going back in`
`21:00.59`	`Shizen`	`I actually want to document some of these and screenshot to post on my guild board`
`21:01.01`	`Shizen`	`but blah the fps hit`
`21:01.08`	`Shizen`	`woops...`
`21:01.11`	`Shizen`	`clicked the wrong one >_>`
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`21:02.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Okay, now I REALLY feel like an idiot`
`21:03.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`time for a break`
`21:03.03`	`Kalroth_`	`Why first now? :P`
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`21:03.20`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I've been really concerned about the performance o the bot, it's been really slow on the serial line`
`21:03.25`	`foxlit`	`The fact that it took you this long to come to the realization confirms it :`
`21:03.40`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`For the hell of it, I removed all of the debug lines that I had put it (prints stuff to screen, turns LED on, etc)`
`21:03.55`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`all these debug lines that I had used to try to help me figure out what's going on`
`21:04.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`caused an extra 700ms delay`
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`21:04.09`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that was the whole problem >.>`
`21:05.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`io is slow, mmkay?`
`21:05.17`	`Shizen`	`mehhhh I give up`
`21:05.32`	`Shizen`	`kd3 : I'ma go play on live and some`
`21:05.33`	`Shizen`	`o/`
`21:05.37`	`kd3`	`aight`
`21:06.52`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`omg look at this 47ms response time`
`21:07.00`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`time to go work on the other robot, leave this one alone for a while`
`21:07.05`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`p.s. this java chip is incredibly slow`
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`21:13.28`	`kd3`	`ahahaha!`
`21:13.56`	`kd3`	`"Brutallus yells: What is this pathetic magic? How about you come back with twenty-four of your best friends and try again, blood elf!"`
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`21:14.56`	`nevcairiel`	`no PH after that ? :P`
`21:15.00`	`nevcairiel`	`sounds so PHish :)`
`21:16.08`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`21:18.33`	`oreth\|`	`http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/11/why-look-a-weighted-companion-cube/`
`21:19.12`	`Fin`	`YES`
`21:19.20`	`Fin`	`THIS is the UI I need: it (Connection timed out)`
`21:19.21`	`Fin`	`[22:14:40] --> dylanm (n=dylanm@c-98-224-225-196.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ()`
`21:19.25`	`Fin`	`-that?`
`21:19.26`	`Fin`	`cock!`
`21:19.29`	`Fin`	`err`
`21:19.32`	`Fin`	`+http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full11488.jpg`
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`21:20.34`	`kamdis`	`that makes me want to cry, Fin.`
`21:21.28`	`kd3`	`whee, got inside of a building texture. let's see if I can get to brutallus from here`
`21:21.53`	`oreth\|`	`wtf is brutallus?`
`21:22.02`	`kd3`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Brutallus`
`21:22.21`	`oreth\|`	`ahh`
`21:22.23`	`oreth\|`	`good luck!`
`21:27.05`	`foxlit`	`Omen?`
`21:27.07`	`foxlit`	`On a priest?!`
`21:27.10`	`foxlit`	`What's wrong with that picture`
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`21:27.35`	`Fin`	`que`
`21:27.36`	`foxlit`	`*paladin`
`21:27.46`	`Fin`	`oh`
`21:27.47`	`foxlit`	`still, healing threat = no threat`
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`21:29.10`	`ralfWORK`	`wait I thought omen was a healing meter`
`21:29.11`	`ralfWORK`	`lulz`
`21:29.48`	`kamdis`	`It can still be useful to see when the Warlock is about to pull aggro or something.`
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`21:33.03`	`Lunessa`	`stupid work, keeping me from reading forums.`
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`21:33.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh "Because nothing says "I have lots of money and am sort of confused as to how to spend it" like Bose."`
`21:35.35`	`zenzelezz`	`what's Bose?`
`21:35.47`	`Fin`	`expensive speakers`
`21:35.49`	`Cairenn`	`sound systems`
`21:35.59`	`Fin`	`what she said`
`21:36.02`	`zenzelezz`	`I see`
`21:36.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`~wiki bose`
`21:36.19`	`zenzelezz`	`only "real" speaker systems I know by name is Cerwin Vega (+/- spelling)`
`21:36.20`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bose.com%2F&ei=TBGyR-m-O5KsgQLr7MSmCQ&usg=AFQjCNFt10TqVCCLVmo2GW6UH0NWWmuNfA&sig2=vXEOuFTVmMBcRU0YRzOuPQ`
`21:36.21`	`Cairenn`	`errr`
`21:36.22`	`wereHamster`	`like bang&olufsen?`
`21:36.29`	`Cairenn`	`http://global.bose.com/index.html`
`21:36.30`	`Fin`	`sennheiser ftw!`
`21:36.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_Corporation`
`21:36.51`	`Fin`	`Bang & Olufsen have style`
`21:37.07`	`zenzelezz`	`they still exist?`
`21:37.26`	`kamdis`	`Bang & Olufsen employ stuck up snobs in their retail outlets.`
`21:37.40`	`zenzelezz`	`heard my dad speak of them a million times, thought they went away some time ago... not that I bothered to check`
`21:37.42`	`kamdis`	`Therefore, they do not get my business.`
`21:38.01`	`Fin`	`real shame though :(`
`21:38.12`	`Fin`	`but then, a lot of hifi shops suffer from the same problem :(`
`21:38.41`	`kamdis`	`I tried to spend money in there once and they didn't care to speak to me, despite ~30 minutes of looking around. And the store was not busy either.`
`21:38.55`	`kamdis`	`I felt like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. :(`
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`21:39.08`	`ralfWORK`	`ahahahahahah`
`21:39.10`	`kamdis`	`But, you know, dressed not like a hooker.`
`21:39.26`	`Lunessa`	`... as a sales person, always talk to the ladies. Even if you you don't make a sale, you make an impression. ;)`
`21:40.07`	`kamdis`	`Excellent policy! ;-)`
`21:40.36`	`Fin`	`I don't like it when storepeople approach me, personally - I'd rather they leave me alone until I go to them`
`21:40.50`	`ralfWORK`	`eh`
`21:40.56`	`ralfWORK`	`you know I'm the same way Fin`
`21:41.09`	`ralfWORK`	`but at the same time, I'd at least like the option of declining help`
`21:41.14`	`Fin`	`sure`
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`21:41.28`	`kamdis`	`I get that, but seriously, not even a "Do you have any questions or are you just browsing?" is not good service.`
`21:41.42`	`Fin`	`I only feel that way because of all the shops where they use the overpushy in-your-face sales "technique"`
`21:41.45`	`Fin`	`tawts`
`21:41.46`	`Fin`	`-aw+wa`
`21:41.49`	`ralfWORK`	`Fin: yes, agreed`
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`21:41.56`	`ralfWORK`	`a simple " do you need any help" suffices`
`21:42.01`	`ralfWORK`	`not any high pressure bullshit`
`21:42.06`	`ralfWORK`	`then I'll tell them to get lost`
`21:42.10`	`*** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net \| 2.3.x ToC: 20300 \| WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 \| I felt like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. :( But, you know, dressed not like a hooker." - kamdis`
`21:42.11`	`ralfWORK`	`and my maleness takes over`
`21:42.30`	`ralfWORK`	`and says "I don't need no stinkin' help, if I can't find it you don't have it NUB"`
`21:42.59`	`ralfWORK`	`tell you what I really hate`
`21:43.00`	`Fin`	`it's rare to get the happy medium, though`
`21:43.11`	`ralfWORK`	`is when I spend the time to look for a product on the shelf`
`21:43.20`	`ralfWORK`	`which I ALWAYS do before asking a sales person`
`21:43.29`	`Fin`	`(speaking to the dead is a very depressing job! ahaha!)`
`21:45.13`	`Polarina`	`kamdis: Congratulations!`
`21:45.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`uhhh...someone make me one of these http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=142491`
`21:45.18`	`Lunessa`	`Seriously though, sales is about connecting to people. And making that connection helps. And even if you don't sell something, that lovely young lady will tell all her friends how rude the people in your store are.`
`21:45.19`	`kamdis`	`Hehe`
`21:45.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`with a diff pic ofc`
`21:45.28`	`kamdis`	`Polarina, thanks I guess :P`
`21:45.41`	`ralfWORK`	`sorry had boss at desk`
`21:45.55`	`ralfWORK`	`so after doing the looking, I ask a sales person, and they go to the same goddamn shelf I was just looking at`
`21:46.01`	`ralfWORK`	`and say "gee, I guess we don't have one"`
`21:46.25`	`ralfWORK`	`I usually just give them the evil eye at that point`
`21:46.47`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm like "no shit sherlock, I was hoping you could look in the back or check another store or... you know, do something USEFUL for me"`
`21:46.58`	`Duman`	`SHAKEFIST at character copy!`
`21:47.01`	`malreth`	`YAY!`
`21:47.13`	`ralfWORK`	`Duman: queue still big?`
`21:47.16`	`ralfWORK`	`I need to try this :(`
`21:47.29`	`malreth`	`The server that got screwed up... The admin hadn't yet set up the backup client on it. We have nothing to restore from`
`21:47.45`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: WIN`
`21:48.05`	`malreth`	`We get to rebuild all the registries for over 500 computers from scratch`
`21:48.12`	`ralfWORK`	`oh jesus`
`21:48.13`	`malreth`	`heads will roll`
`21:48.23`	`ralfWORK`	`what server got screwed up?`
`21:48.29`	`Cairenn`	`omg`
`21:48.32`	`Cairenn`	`that's just bad`
`21:48.47`	`malreth`	`The central lab rebuilding server for a very large site on our campus`
`21:48.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://gizmodo.com/355233/an-apartments-worth-of-furniture-in-a-box`
`21:48.50`	`malreth`	`very large`
`21:48.52`	`malreth`	`the largest`
`21:49.12`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: oh a build server? like... a Ghost sever/imaging server?`
`21:49.40`	`malreth`	`the way we approach computer lab management is we let students log in and do whatever the fuck they way with the computer. when they leave, the computer immediately rebuilds to a known state that is stored on a central server`
`21:49.41`	`ralfWORK`	`*server`
`21:49.48`	`malreth`	`it allows great functionality and rapid deployment of changes`
`21:49.50`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: ok gotcha`
`21:49.52`	`ralfWORK`	`yep`
`21:49.57`	`ralfWORK`	`Thunder_Child: this is... amazing`
`21:50.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`which one?`
`21:50.19`	`ralfWORK`	`Thunder_Child: the link you just pasted`
`21:50.22`	`malreth`	`the only problem is it's a single point of failure for the entire rebuilding process`
`21:50.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, yes, quite`
`21:50.33`	`malreth`	`which is why we usually have redundancy... a hot spare`
`21:50.37`	`malreth`	`backups, etc.`
`21:50.40`	`Cairenn`	`that's a pretty cool box`
`21:50.55`	`ralfWORK`	`I probably would have killed for something like that when I was single`
`21:51.12`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: but of course this time you did not`
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`21:51.58`	`malreth`	`well, it was a new server... brand new and the person responsible for administering the machine hadn't yet set up the tivoli storage manager client on it`
`21:52.13`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: sounds like epic fail to me`
`21:52.18`	`malreth`	`yeah`
`21:52.46`	`malreth`	`and so, some guy in the department... responsible for maintaining the classroom lab images messed up`
`21:53.08`	`malreth`	`instead of copy/pasting some files, he deleted all of the registry files for all of the labs at that site`
`21:53.27`	`malreth`	`oh, i'm not gonna suffer too much from this`
`21:53.48`	`malreth`	`as soon as i heard, i shut down the rebuilding processes for my one lab that i maintain at that site`
`21:53.55`	`malreth`	`then reserved two machines`
`21:53.56`	`ralfWORK`	`malreth: uhm... lol`
`21:54.12`	`malreth`	`i can restore the entire lab's functionality from just one working computer`
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`21:54.23`	`malreth`	`the second is just in case i screw up with the first one`
`21:54.30`	`ralfWORK`	`right right`
`21:54.35`	`malreth`	`my ass is covered...`
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`21:55.35`	`malreth`	`sucks for the admin guy who should have gotten the TSM client installed sooner... but he has to deal with the bureaucracy with the backup server admins at that site... he can explain that away`
`21:55.57`	`malreth`	`sucks more for the guy that can't tell the difference between ctrl-c/ctrl-v and delete`
`21:56.03`	`ralfWORK`	`HAHAHAHAHA`
`21:57.19`	`kergoth`	`..`
`21:57.53`	`malreth`	`ok... the room in a box link. Good news: All your stuff fits in a box. Bad news: You need a pallet jack to move.`
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`21:58.02`	`ralfWORK`	`hahahahaah`
`21:58.38`	`ralfWORK`	`it would have been good to see them team lift it`
`21:58.44`	`ralfWORK`	`and see if anyone got a hernia`
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`21:59.17`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=513855&in_page_id=1811`
`21:59.35`	`Cairenn`	`that's an amazing photo`
`21:59.36`	`cog\|work`	`jesus`
`21:59.50`	`Cairenn`	`the fact that the photographer got it`
`22:00.02`	`ralfWORK`	`wow`
`22:00.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or 'shopped it....`
`22:00.13`	`Cairenn`	`don't think so`
`22:00.52`	`ralfWORK`	`skeptical cat is frought with skeptiscism?`
`22:01.12`	`malreth`	`i'm skeptical as well...but who knows`
`22:01.14`	`Cairenn`	`well, given the positioning of the statue, I'm sure that isn't the first nor will it be the last time that that has happened`
`22:01.27`	`Cairenn`	`just the fact that he managed to capture it is the neat part`
`22:01.38`	`Saint-N`	`I guess jesus was lying after all`
`22:01.45`	`malreth`	`i bet it's a perma-placed video camera`
`22:01.57`	`malreth`	`it might explain the grittiness of the image`
`22:02.02`	`ralfWORK`	`Cairenn: agreed`
`22:02.09`	`malreth`	`jesuscam.com`
`22:02.13`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`22:02.18`	`Keias`	`Probably was sitting there taking thousands of pictures to try and capture something like this`
`22:02.21`	`Keias`	`Pretty amazing though.`
`22:02.31`	`cog\|work`	`meh... it's a perfectly normal coincidence imo...`
`22:02.42`	`malreth`	`but still.. interesting image`
`22:02.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Perfectly Ordinary Beast?`
`22:03.18`	`Saint-N`	`only 4 cog`
`22:03.31`	`Cairenn`	`as I said, not surprised that the statue got hit - that's really to be expected - lightening hits the highest point`
`22:03.44`	`Saint-N`	`the rest of the pictures of that statue are miraculously etched into film as it gets near the statue ;P`
`22:03.56`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`22:04.15`	`Cairenn`	`~lart Saint-N`
`22:04.16`	`purl`	`slaps Saint-N upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`22:04.22`	`cog\|work`	`actually, since lightning nearly always strikes the same spot twice you could set up a camera with an ESD trigger to take a couple rapid shots at every strike and probably stand a good chance of capturing something ;)`
`22:04.23`	`Saint-N`	`"and here's apitcutre of betty next to the cath....oh dammit another jesus statue picture!"`
`22:04.46`	`Saint-N`	`err a picture`
`22:06.05`	`Legorol`	`ugh, anyone else in EU having trouble logging in?`
`22:06.13`	`Legorol`	`(live, not PTR)`
`22:06.27`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`22:07.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`US Argent Dawn is dead. sniff They're having some issues after today's maintenance, I gather.`
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`22:08.16`	`Keias`	`I blame Blackrock, Lopeppeppy :(`
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`22:10.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`little trivia here, without sing the web can anyone name what movie Charlie Sheen & Jon Cryer were in before working together on 2 1/2 men?`
`22:10.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`using*`
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`22:12.15`	`Lunessa`	`... Men at Work?`
`22:12.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`jon wasnt in that`
`22:12.44`	`Lunessa`	`You said without using the web. :P`
`22:12.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know`
`22:13.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`even using the web it would take a bit`
`22:14.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`"wow thoes are some long legs." I just had them lengthened, now they go all the way up"`
`22:17.50`	`cog\|work`	`bash.org dead for anyone else?`
`22:18.15`	`cog\|work`	`there it is... (2 timeouts later)`
`22:19.01`	`kamdis`	`Thunder_Child: Hot Shots?`
`22:19.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`yep`
`22:19.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`i was just watching it now...kinds surprised`
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`22:28.42`	`danshrugged`	`ckknight: you there?`
`22:28.51`	`ckknight`	`hey`
`22:28.51`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`22:28.53`	`ckknight`	`what's up?`
`22:28.56`	`danshrugged`	`yo man`
`22:29.35`	`danshrugged`	`I used your pack.lua and MpqViewer and some other junk to setup a sort of automated way to extract instance maps to disc as full quality pngs`
`22:29.45`	`danshrugged`	`if you're interested, I can send it your way`
`22:30.12`	`danshrugged`	`since some of your code is in there and all`
`22:30.13`	`ckknight`	`seems cool`
`22:30.56`	`danshrugged`	`it's kind of seizureific too`
`22:31.23`	`ckknight`	`seizureific?`
`22:31.46`	`danshrugged`	`windows open and closing over and over`
`22:31.49`	`cladhaire`	`oh hehe`
`22:31.59`	`cladhaire`	`i was wondering where you were going with that too`
`22:32.05`	`danshrugged`	`haha`
`22:32.55`	`danshrugged`	`better than it was. at one point imagemagick was opening 5000 minimap tiles one by one and rotating them. you couldn't look at the screen`
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`22:56.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`someone explain to me why i'm seeing misses in WWS altho i'm at the hitcap: http://wowwebstats.com/flx5nlxzwi5ww?a=24`
`22:57.41`	`zenzelezz`	`because there's always a 1% chance to miss or something? Can't recall`
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`22:58.27`	`zenzelezz`	`"There will always be a minimum of 1% chance to miss, regardless of hit rating.", http://www.wowwiki.com/Miss`
`22:58.31`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`nvm`
`22:58.31`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no`
`22:58.34`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`it's because`
`22:58.37`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`[23:56] <+Antiarc> sag_ich_nicht: parry/dodge count as misses in WWS`
`22:58.53`	`Antiarc`	`zenzelezz: That only applies to spells`
`22:58.57`	`Antiarc`	`You can completely negate melee miss`
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`22:59.32`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`correct`
`22:59.46`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`I'm seeing it now in the extended tab anyway Antiarc`
`22:59.48`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`thanks tho :O`
`22:59.55`	`zenzelezz`	`Antiarc: that's not how I read that page, but I'll take your word for it`
`23:00.08`	`Antiarc`	`zenzelezz: I'm a hit-capped rogue. It's possible. ;)`
`23:00.25`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i'm hitcapped too, zenzelezz expand the WWS there`
`23:00.27`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`no misses`
`23:00.29`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`only parry/dodge`
`23:00.31`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`i missread it :P`
`23:00.42`	`zenzelezz`	`my point is I'm a tank, I don't do hitcapping, so I go by what the wiki says, even if it's wrong`
`23:01.14`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`zenzelezz you're a retard then`
`23:01.21`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`you need +hit so you get les miss so you get more +threat`
`23:01.34`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`otherwise you can't tank for shit starting from SSC/TE upwards`
`23:01.43`	`zenzelezz`	`sag_ich_nicht: I said I don't CAP`
`23:01.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`:P`
`23:01.47`	`Antiarc`	`Expertise! Reduce parrygibs and increase your threat all in one go!`
`23:01.50`	`zenzelezz`	`if you tank hit-capped then you are a retard`
`23:01.53`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`Antiarc: true`
`23:02.00`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`zenzelezz: depends on the class`
`23:02.02`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`druids can do itt`
`23:02.03`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`-t`
`23:02.17`	`zenzelezz`	`that I'll take your word for; I only know my warrior`
`23:02.18`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`gives them max benefit from the idol`
`23:02.30`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`thus more agi indirectly`
`23:02.36`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`and thus even more indirectly less damage :P`
`23:02.39`	`Syzgyn`	`No one but arms warriors should even consider being hitcapped`
`23:02.40`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`(and more threat)`
`23:02.50`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`^true`
`23:02.51`	`Syzgyn`	`warrior wise`
`23:02.53`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`but an arms warrior`
`23:02.56`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`better be fucking hitcapped`
`23:02.58`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`or gtfo my raid`
`23:03.00`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah`
`23:03.24`	`Syzgyn`	`but for prot, its not worth gimping your mitigation, and for fury, its not even possible`
`23:04.41`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm still curious though, I grew up hearing that in PvE you always have 1% chance to miss, and I still read the wiki as saying that; did that change since BC release or before?`
`23:04.58`	`Antiarc`	`It applies for spells`
`23:04.59`	`Antiarc`	`Not for melee`
`23:05.03`	`Antiarc`	`It's never applied for melee`
`23:05.08`	`Syzgyn`	`yes it has`
`23:05.18`	`Antiarc`	`Er. When?`
`23:05.22`	`Syzgyn`	`always?`
`23:05.33`	`zenzelezz`	`Antiarc: then someone should update the wiki, because it specifically speaks of melee and melee weapon ratings vs. defense`
`23:05.36`	`Antiarc`	`There is no 1%-guaranteed-to-miss for melee.`
`23:05.36`	`Syzgyn`	`as far as I'm aware, you cant buff any stat to 100% effectiveness`
`23:05.48`	`Syzgyn`	`99% is the effective max`
`23:05.52`	`Antiarc`	`Wrong.`
`23:05.55`	`Syzgyn`	`shrug`
`23:06.18`	`Syzgyn`	`I know I've been crit with 490+ def`
`23:06.34`	`Antiarc`	`By a mob with more than the standard 5% crit, perhaps`
`23:06.36`	`Syzgyn`	`and pretty sure I've missed as arms hitcapped`
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`23:10.21`	`Antiarc`	`There. Wiki updated :P`
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`23:18.50`	`alestane`	`Anyone else having trouble getting an add-on to show up in the Add-Ons screen of the PTR client?`
`23:20.02`	`zenzelezz`	`"With these stats he is a piss in park"... now there's an expression I hadn't heard before`
`23:20.18`	`alestane`	`I've got one that does show up, and I'm presuming it's a mistake I've made, but I can't for the life of me figure out where.`
`23:21.22`	`Syzgyn`	`no problems here`
`23:21.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`hahahaha http://www.cracked.com/article_15898_if-valentines-day-cards-were-honest.html`
`23:22.01`	`alestane`	`Got it. I originally misnamed the add-on folder with an .xml extension, and when I renamed it the Finder hid the extension instead of removing it.`
`23:22.21`	`cladhaire`	`okay question for you`
`23:22.41`	`cladhaire`	`if you configure perfectraid to show rejuvenation, as well as YOUR rejuvenations`
`23:22.42`	`cladhaire`	`and there are 3, including yours`
`23:23.04`	`cladhaire`	`should it be Rj(3) RJMINE or Rj(2) RJMINE?`
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`23:23.54`	`Lunessa`	`cladhaire: Rough. I'd go with the last, but people are going to ask for the first`
`23:24.04`	`cladhaire`	`the first is EASY`
`23:24.09`	`cladhaire`	`its what the code does by default :P`
`23:24.51`	`Shadowed`	`It depends how many buffs you're going to show, I'd rather have R(2) R for 2 other rejuvs + 1 one is mine`
`23:24.52`	`mikma`	`cladhaire: Rj(3)`
`23:24.56`	`Wobin`	`I agree`
`23:24.58`	`Wobin`	`the first`
`23:25.00`	`cladhaire`	`so you want to see all three`
`23:25.02`	`cladhaire`	`as well as yours?`
`23:25.09`	`mikma`	`yeah`
`23:25.10`	`cladhaire`	`and not subtract yours from the total?`
`23:25.11`	`cladhaire`	`that means`
`23:25.13`	`cladhaire`	`if you're in a raid`
`23:25.16`	`cladhaire`	`and only two are on`
`23:25.26`	`cladhaire`	`it'll show Rj(2) and RjMINE`
`23:25.31`	`cladhaire`	`you're cool with that?`
`23:25.32`	`Shadowed`	`but I was going to tweak PR to make it show R(3), and just make it change the color of the buff to black the closer it gets to fading, as a quick way of tracking things`
`23:25.33`	`cladhaire`	`or even worse`
`23:25.37`	`cladhaire`	`if yours is the ONLY one on it`
`23:25.50`	`cladhaire`	`it'll show Rj RJMINE`
`23:25.53`	`cladhaire`	`now thats the confusing part`
`23:25.54`	`mikma`	`oh now i misunderstood that completely.`
`23:26.03`	`mikma`	`i don't like the RjMINE idea at all :(`
`23:26.08`	`cladhaire`	`what do you mean?`
`23:26.12`	`Wobin`	`Maybe we can have another colour that indicates that one of the Rj's is ours`
`23:26.13`	`Shadowed`	`yea I don't see much need to change it from the current system honestly`
`23:26.18`	`cladhaire`	`wait`
`23:26.19`	`Shadowed`	`oh thats a good idea`
`23:26.19`	`cladhaire`	`calm down`
`23:26.21`	`cladhaire`	`its another filter.`
`23:26.27`	`cladhaire`	`you decide if it shows`
`23:26.29`	`Shadowed`	`Maybe instead of showing a white "#", show it as green if one is yours?`
`23:26.30`	`cladhaire`	`its not anything automatic`
`23:26.33`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`23:26.33`	`cladhaire`	`stop`
`23:26.37`	`cladhaire`	`YOU DECIDE WHAT IT SHOWS`
`23:26.39`	`mikma`	`cladhaire: what you can do, is this: other people heals have rj, you have RJ? :D`
`23:26.41`	`Wobin`	`I do? =)`
`23:26.43`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
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`23:26.46`	`cladhaire`	`its a fucking buff filter`
`23:26.46`	`Wobin`	`^^`
`23:26.50`	`cladhaire`	`why is shadowed involved`
`23:26.51`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`23:26.54`	`Shadowed`	`you asked`
`23:26.54`	`cladhaire`	`okay`
`23:26.58`	`mikma`	`the stuff you cast is with caps and other stuff is with lowercase :P`
`23:27.04`	`cladhaire`	`mikma: no`
`23:27.07`	`cladhaire`	`that's retarded.`
`23:27.10`	`cladhaire`	`have you ever used praid`
`23:27.12`	`cladhaire`	`you add a new buff`
`23:27.17`	`cladhaire`	`and there is a filter "My Spells"`
`23:27.29`	`cladhaire`	`the text and color YOU supply will be shown when your spell is on the unit`
`23:27.39`	`mikma`	`cladhaire: with that filter, i'd say Rj(2) RjMINE, this means there's 3 buffs on him`
`23:27.53`	`cladhaire`	`thanks, thats what I expected`
`23:28.01`	`cladhaire`	`now what about the case where there is only one RJ`
`23:28.04`	`cladhaire`	`only show the RJMINE?`
`23:28.40`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`23:28.41`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kivin (n=Kivin@bas1-kingston08-1167888616.dsl.bell.ca)`
`23:28.45`	`cladhaire`	`good that easy`
`23:29.17`	`Wobin`	`That way other peoples rej are separated from your own`
`23:29.24`	`Wobin`	`no need to add/subtract from the number`
`23:29.34`	`cladhaire`	`well there is in the code`
`23:29.41`	`cladhaire`	`and it's a bit trickier than that`
`23:29.42`	`Wobin`	`well that's what the code is for =)`
`23:29.48`	`Wobin`	`So we don't have to count =)`
`23:30.47`	`Syzgyn`	`any chance anyone here is on PTR and has access to the SPELL_LEECH or SPELL_DRAIN combat events?`
`23:32.21`	`Shadowed`	`cladhaire: What happens in PR anyway when you have too many filters shown, does it just show the first X it finds?`
`23:32.32`	`cladhaire`	`no, it shows them all`
`23:32.44`	`Shadowed`	`wouldn't that overflow when you have multiple columns`
`23:32.51`	`cladhaire`	`that's your problem, not mine.`
`23:32.56`	`cladhaire`	`"don't do that"`
`23:32.59`	`Syzgyn`	`lol`
`23:33.00`	`Shadowed`	`ah`
`23:33.01`	`cladhaire`	`or have a larger separator`
`23:33.03`	`Shadowed`	`yea thats what i was wondering :p`
`23:33.15`	`Shadowed`	`not using enough filters for that to happen was just wondering`
`23:36.22`	`oreth\|`	`hrrrm`
`23:37.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.cracked.com/article_15888_if-banner-ads-were-forced-be-truthful.html`
`23:38.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sooooooo`
`23:38.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Who wants to help me with scroll frames?!`
`23:40.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... well that's disheartening`
`23:41.10`	`alestane`	`I'm not the one to ask.`
`23:42.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I actually asked earlier, and the only response I got was along the lines of "Scroll frames suck"`
`23:42.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Figure it was worth a shot now that it has been several hours`
`23:43.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`scroll frames suck`
`23:43.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So I've heard :/`
`23:43.18`	`alestane`	`I think I get how the concept works, but not really that confident with it.`
`23:43.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/scroll frames/you/`
`23:43.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`From what I gather, you make a frame that is big, and then parent it to a scroll frame`
`23:44.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/82097 if anyone has any ideas..`
`23:45.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Right now I've got a greyed out scroll bar to the side, with no text in it. :/`
`23:45.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If I remove the scroller, I see the text`
`23:48.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Eh, I'll try again in a few hours when more people are responsive.`
`23:54.18`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Dagron (i=UPP@223.92.124.24.cm.sunflower.com)`
`23:57.39`	`Lunessa`	`Finally caught up.`

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