| 00:00.24 | batrick | python escaping? |
| 00:00.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Cide's Lua interpreter passes the results to python. Python does the escaping. |
| 00:01.24 | Shirik|Ecole | Why don't you make a nice quit message instead of just "die" |
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| 00:01.32 | batrick | hmm |
| 00:01.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Something like "QUIT :Shirik didn't kill me this time!" |
| 00:01.43 | batrick | i should |
| 00:01.57 | bleeter | danslemur: there's also a paint, that was used on some children's toys, that metabolizes to GHB |
| 00:02.11 | kamdis | cogwheel PSA ftw! |
| 00:02.56 | bleeter | ooh, shiny wineX11 fixes |
| 00:03.14 | batrick | well |
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| 00:10.00 | danslemur | wtb those toys |
| 00:10.09 | danslemur | for, uh, cleaning. |
| 00:11.51 | danslemur | that would mean there's some way of determining whether they're AFK without relying on the AFK flag |
| 00:11.54 | danslemur | and that's what we all want |
| 00:12.39 | Corrodias | i know just what to do |
| 00:12.54 | Corrodias | mail webcams to all WoW subscribers and require them to be hooked up |
| 00:13.33 | Corrodias | hire a few 10-thousand or 100-thousand employees to just watch screens of webcams all day |
| 00:13.34 | bleeter | well, I was actually thinking some mod that saves people's AFK tags, time; date; length afk. then upload the result to a website that processes and names and shames alleged heavy abusers |
| 00:13.40 | Corrodias | marking people AFK if they're not at the computer |
| 00:14.11 | Corrodias | abusers? there's nothing abusive about being AFK in WoW unless you're expected to be doing something |
| 00:14.27 | bleeter | d/l a list of those abusers, then when they're targetted in a BG get like a raid warning type thing |
| 00:15.07 | bleeter | sometimes there are legitimate reasons to step afk for say 15-30 seconds, someone might ask in busy /bg 'are you afk' and you miss it. |
| 00:15.18 | Corrodias | the problem is that they're -avoiding- the AFK flag |
| 00:15.23 | Corrodias | or they'd have been removed from the BG already |
| 00:15.36 | cogwheel | hehe... Saint-N: you should get a kick out of http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4184979008&pageNo=6&sid=1#108 |
| 00:15.42 | cogwheel | art3mis: |
| 00:15.44 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 00:16.00 | bleeter | hah |
| 00:17.07 | Shirik|Ecole | trinket afk? |
| 00:17.18 | Shirik|Ecole | what's the benefit of that? |
| 00:17.51 | bleeter | trinket to base, afk while constantly buffing. wait for opposition to enter base who'll then proceed to beat on you and your repeated macro will 'appear' to be an 'offensive' move so will clear your AFK debuff |
| 00:17.53 | kd3 | trinket back to the home base, get in combat so you get rid of the debuff then die and go afk for a while til the c/d's up |
| 00:18.05 | kd3 | or that |
| 00:18.18 | bleeter | I must admit, there's nothing as satisfying as seeing the opposition waste time on 5 or so folks who've done this, but it's still freakin' annoying |
| 00:18.37 | bleeter | 'coz I'm like healing them wsating mana then realise 'gah, they're freakin' afk!' |
| 00:19.46 | bleeter | mind you, can't be that hard for blizz to track those who trinket then constantly self buff without moving much and do no *real* defense |
| 00:19.57 | bleeter | so I kinda live in hope |
| 00:20.38 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: woo? |
| 00:20.43 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 00:20.50 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: Okay good, you're there |
| 00:21.03 | Shirik|Ecole | who goes "woo" |
| 00:21.05 | Shirik|Ecole | seriously |
| 00:21.20 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: Remember how in RDX.Cid we used to have to compile and parse the names of the people we want to show up in the raid frames? |
| 00:21.36 | Shirik|Ecole | yes... |
| 00:21.39 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole: All that is taken care of in the grid system it self now, Grid:AddUnitUID(uid) |
| 00:22.03 | Cidan | and it will add it to the window, be it unit frames, raid headers, party headers, whatever. |
| 00:22.12 | Shirik|Ecole | how about Grid:AddUnitUID(someCSUnit) |
| 00:22.28 | Cidan | ...wat? |
| 00:22.34 | Shirik|Ecole | some Conspiracy.Unit object |
| 00:22.52 | Cidan | Oh, done |
| 00:22.55 | Shirik|Ecole | (provide both options) |
| 00:22.58 | Cidan | Grid:AddUnit(unit) |
| 00:23.22 | Cidan | along with Grid:RemoveUnit and Grid:RemoveUnitUID |
| 00:24.36 | Cidan | also writing Grid:Sort(by) where 0 <= by <= 5 or so, depending, with the last option being "custom" sorting |
| 00:24.41 | Cidan | so you can write your own sort function |
| 00:25.09 | Shirik|Ecole | Hey have you picked up netbeans 6 yet? |
| 00:25.14 | Cidan | no? |
| 00:25.16 | Cidan | it's out? |
| 00:25.18 | Cidan | final? |
| 00:25.18 | Shirik|Ecole | it's awesome |
| 00:25.29 | Shirik|Ecole | I think so, let me check |
| 00:26.17 | Shirik|Ecole | yup, it's final |
| 00:26.34 | Cidan | woot |
| 00:26.45 | Cidan | does it run better? D: |
| 00:26.52 | Cidan | I dislike swing |
| 00:27.16 | Shirik|Ecole | DAMN IT |
| 00:27.21 | Cidan | Hm? |
| 00:27.23 | Shirik|Ecole | I am so sick of making stupid mistakes |
| 00:27.27 | Cidan | Oh |
| 00:27.37 | Cidan | We all do it, I guess |
| 00:27.38 | Shirik|Ecole | The last hour of debugging has been because I wrote send(0x10) on my host, and receive(10) on my client |
| 00:27.55 | Shirik|Ecole | and they don't match so it just sits there saying [PEND] No Data |
| 00:28.00 | MentalPower | Shirik|nice... |
| 00:28.58 | Cidan | no updated ubuntu packages on backport |
| 00:28.59 | Cidan | D: |
| 00:30.47 | Lunessa | irc is srs bizniz |
| 00:36.24 | bleeter | hmm, new Lua tools for Eclipse. ANyone tried it? |
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| 00:39.41 | Shirik|Ecole | No |
| 00:39.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Why would I want to use Eclipse |
| 00:39.51 | Shirik|Ecole | does it look like I want to gouge my eyes out? |
| 00:41.17 | bleeter | yes |
| 00:41.21 | bleeter | I mean, you DO use netbeans |
| 00:41.34 | bleeter | probably Win32 as well |
| 00:43.47 | alestane | I just want a Lua module for Xcode. |
| 00:44.19 | bleeter | Emacs or death!! |
| 00:44.39 | kamdis | i'll have "or death" |
| 00:44.42 | kamdis | :P |
| 00:44.44 | bleeter | lol |
| 00:44.53 | bleeter | some days, I wouldn't blame you ;) |
| 00:45.12 | alestane | Death, or profanity addon threads... |
| 00:45.27 | kamdis | actually, emacs are alright. but i got to spend an evening forum whoring on a mac book air earlier this week |
| 00:45.32 | kamdis | it was lovely |
| 00:45.42 | Shirik|Ecole | emacs = IDE |
| 00:45.44 | kamdis | alestane: same thing? |
| 00:45.48 | kamdis | OH that |
| 00:45.50 | Shirik|Ecole | hehe |
| 00:46.08 | kamdis | earlier "or death" stmt still applies |
| 00:46.17 | kamdis | for some reason i parsed that as an i |
| 00:47.00 | kd3 | whee, new kernel |
| 00:47.14 | bleeter | kamdis: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/01/19/macbookcommodorecompare.jpg ;) |
| 00:47.42 | bleeter | kd3: guessed that was what's breaking my rsync ;) |
| 00:48.53 | kamdis | bleeter: hahahaha |
| 00:48.58 | kamdis | it's true! |
| 00:49.13 | kamdis | but you can't really forum whore with a commodore 64 on your lap |
| 00:49.18 | kamdis | while watching tv |
| 00:49.34 | bleeter | that image is from 'this old box' story http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/20/tob_commodore_sx_64/ |
| 00:49.47 | bleeter | I don't think the SX64 would even fit on anyone's lap |
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| 00:49.59 | bleeter | maybe Andre The Giant, but he's dead |
| 00:52.07 | Lunessa | I had one of those. START 8,* |
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| 01:04.48 | bleeter | Wobwork: sack punter? discuss. |
| 01:06.44 | Shirik|Ecole | batbot: Is Wobwork a sack punter? |
| 01:06.45 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole, Most likely. |
| 01:06.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Discussion over. |
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| 01:13.49 | bleeter | oh, I remember what I was gunna ask. Been a while since I seriously played AV, so hadn't noticed this until last night. But... LocalDefense channel in AB? Surely some joke? |
| 01:14.36 | kd3 | there's an LD channel in every zone. even instances for some insane reason |
| 01:14.42 | Nom_ | so tempted to buy 1TB HDD |
| 01:15.19 | kd3 | what have they come down to, price wise? |
| 01:15.36 | bleeter | kd3: maybe it's some kinda default stress test |
| 01:15.50 | Nom_ | $359 AUD |
| 01:15.55 | Nom_ | i can probably find better than that too |
| 01:15.58 | bleeter | I've seen the defense chan in instances... now I think about it, yeah, weird |
| 01:16.20 | Nom_ | AUD 339 = WD SATA2 1TB |
| 01:16.46 | Nom_ | The 500's are best bang for buck though |
| 01:16.53 | Nom_ | AUD 129 = WD SATA2 500GB |
| 01:17.12 | kd3 | ya, that's what I bought... 6 500GB hdds |
| 01:17.45 | Nom_ | i've only got one free HDD bay tho :( |
| 01:17.54 | kd3 | oof |
| 01:18.20 | Lunessa | I can not believe someone actually believes this: " I think the problem with men and their unwillinginess to embrace females unconditionally in guilds is that we can't accept that women are biologically required to think differently than men. " *boggle* |
| 01:19.02 | Nom_ | ... |
| 01:19.40 | Nom_ | You're on the wrong servers if chicks are descriminated against in guilds :/ |
| 01:20.05 | Nom_ | The last two guilds I was in had like 30% females |
| 01:22.11 | Lunessa | In my guild, a significant portion are female, and females make up 50% of my static Kara team. |
| 01:23.05 | Lunessa | I'm baffled that this poster actually believes that. But then, they're largely given to other insanities too... So I guess I shouldn't be shocked. |
| 01:24.07 | Shirik|Ecole | hm, I must say I like javadocs. They are short and to the point. |
| 01:24.21 | Shirik|Ecole | "InputStream.reset(): This function does nothing except throw an IOException." |
| 01:24.33 | Paradox | 500gb spinpoint is best bang for your buck yeah |
| 01:24.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I was hoping it would let me flush the stream, but oh well. |
| 01:25.50 | bleeter | I wonder if Heinlein's assertion about females in battle situations in Starship Troopers is indeed factual |
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| 01:29.35 | Nom_ | omg DDR3 |
| 01:29.41 | Nom_ | so much want |
| 01:29.43 | Nom_ | not enough dollar |
| 01:32.15 | Nom_ | man i'm behind... when did quad core cpu's come out??! |
| 01:32.21 | kd3 | it's been a while |
| 01:32.25 | Nom_ | AMD Phenom QUAD Core 9600 - AUD 299 |
| 01:32.48 | Nom_ | so much want... probably need a new mobo for them too |
| 01:32.52 | Nom_ | i only have dual core |
| 01:33.04 | MentalPower | not the core2s |
| 01:33.12 | MentalPower | or should I say not usually |
| 01:33.42 | kd3 | depends on the board you have and what pinout it's got |
| 01:33.42 | Nom_ | AMD Athlon 62 X2 Dual Core 3800+ <-- mine |
| 01:33.48 | Nom_ | 2.01GHz x 2 |
| 01:34.39 | Nom_ | It's AM2 CPU board |
| 01:34.41 | sacarasc | 8 core cpus are around too |
| 01:34.45 | Nom_ | Dual Core / SLI ready |
| 01:34.54 | kd3 | that's an am2... think the 9600 is an am2+ |
| 01:35.05 | kd3 | dunno how compatible those are. I stick to intel hardware most of the time |
| 01:35.05 | Nom_ | sacarasc: I knew about them... they're server processors tho... Xeons |
| 01:35.15 | Nom_ | I didn't realise that quads were even on the desktop market |
| 01:35.59 | kd3 | fairly reasonable... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 |
| 01:36.00 | Nom_ | I knew coz we're about to get two new blades @ work |
| 01:36.01 | kd3 | ^ me |
| 01:36.08 | Nom_ | They're dual quad xeons |
| 01:36.27 | Nom_ | we *almost* got the brand spanking new one |
| 01:39.07 | bleeter | ohhhh, you mean x86 junk quad core!!! :P |
| 01:39.30 | MentalPower | ~lart bleeter |
| 01:39.30 | purl | hits bleeter with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 01:39.40 | Shirik|Ecole | --> c = {getData=function(n) return {0,1} end} return c.getData()[0] + c.getData()[1] / math.pow(10, 1+(int)(math.log(10)/math.log(c.getData()[1]))); |
| 01:39.40 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: > [string "0"]:1: attempt to call global 'int' (a nil value) |
| 01:40.04 | Shirik|Ecole | --> c = {getData=function(n) return {0,1} end} return c.getData()[0] + c.getData()[1] / math.pow(10, 1+math.floor((math.log(10)/math.log(c.getData()[1])))); |
| 01:40.04 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: > [string "0"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on field '?' (a nil value) |
| 01:40.27 | Shirik|Ecole | --> c = {getData=function(n) return {0=0,1=1} end} return c.getData()[0] + c.getData()[1] / math.pow(10, 1+math.floor((math.log(10)/math.log(c.getData()[1])))); |
| 01:40.28 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: > [string "0"]:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 01:40.30 | Shirik|Ecole | *#@(*$ |
| 01:40.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I give up |
| 01:41.14 | bleeter | ~lart MentalPower |
| 01:41.14 | purl | steals MentalPower's mojo |
| 01:41.35 | bleeter | haha |
| 01:41.42 | bleeter | has MentalPower got any mojo to steal?! :P |
| 01:43.07 | MentalPower | ~whaleblock me |
| 01:43.08 | purl | ACTION shields mentalpower with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 01:43.16 | MentalPower | no mojo for you! |
| 01:44.53 | bleeter | huger? |
| 01:45.03 | bleeter | nevermind |
| 01:45.06 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 01:45.18 | bleeter | mwhahahahahaa :P |
| 01:45.35 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyone want to recommend a better way to do this? |
| 01:45.41 | Shirik|Ecole | I need the number "45" to become "0.45" |
| 01:45.49 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.51 | Shirik|Ecole | I did: hostVersion = c.getData()[0] + c.getData()[1] / (c.getData()[1]==0?1:Math.pow(10, 1+Math.floor(Math.log10(c.getData()[1])))); |
| 01:45.59 | Shirik|Ecole | variable number of digits, kd3 |
| 01:46.10 | Shirik|Ecole | so "451" needs to become "0.451" |
| 01:46.30 | MentalPower | this is Java right? |
| 01:46.36 | Shirik|Ecole | unfortunately |
| 01:47.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I thought about doing Double.parseDouble(String.format("%d.%d", c.getData()[0], c.getData()[1])) |
| 01:47.41 | Shirik|Ecole | but that seemed so ugly going through a string |
| 01:48.42 | Shirik|Ecole | I think this is crashing though.... but I have no way of finding out |
| 01:49.00 | Shirik|Ecole | If a thread crashes it just dies, no indication, and I can't really check whether a thread is locked up or dead |
| 01:50.05 | Shirik|Ecole | oh great! |
| 01:50.06 | Shirik|Ecole | *** Semantic Error: No method named "log10" was found in type "java.lang.Math". However, there is an accessible method "log" whose name closely matches the name "log10". |
| 01:50.11 | Shirik|Ecole | grr |
| 01:50.43 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> math.log10(4) == math.log(4)/math.log(10) |
| 01:50.43 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: false |
| 01:50.50 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> math.log10(4) == math.log(10)/math.log(4) |
| 01:50.50 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: false |
| 01:50.52 | Shirik|Ecole | erk |
| 01:51.11 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> math.log10(4)- math.log(4)/math.log(10), math.log10(4)-math.log(10)/math.log(4) |
| 01:51.11 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 1.1102230246252e-16, -1.0589040561157 |
| 01:51.17 | Shirik|Ecole | stupid floating point imprecision |
| 01:55.36 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik|Ecole: you divide by 10 in a loop until your result is less than 1 |
| 01:55.48 | Shirik|Ecole | yucky! |
| 01:55.53 | Esamynn|Work | :P |
| 01:56.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I think I found my problem though |
| 01:56.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I think c was null |
| 01:57.30 | Duman | what are you doing where "45" need to be 0.45 and "451" needs to be 0.451 ?? |
| 01:57.39 | Shirik|Ecole | Decoding a protocol |
| 01:57.50 | Duman | but yeah, just keep dividing by 10 until you're <1 *shrug* |
| 01:58.32 | Shirik|Ecole | It's actually more like {2, 4} needs to become 2.4, and {2,15} needs to become 2.15 |
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| 01:59.07 | Esamynn|Work | oh |
| 02:01.23 | Esamynn|Work | I'd be very tempted to go Double.valueOf(Integer.toString(a) + "." + b), but that's also ugly |
| 02:01.51 | bleeter | wow, french bank's lost $8Bn in fraudulent transactions |
| 02:01.58 | Esamynn|Work | err, Double.valueOf(a + "." + b) is what I meant |
| 02:02.04 | Shirik|Ecole | were they by Amazon? |
| 02:02.12 | bleeter | lol Shirik|Ecole |
| 02:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone here on comcast having general crap opening web pages? |
| 02:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Like you know, 5-30s to establish a connection to a server |
| 02:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (Only affecting HTTP) |
| 02:05.08 | bleeter | Cairenn: hah, that webcam looks like it's not updated at all since yesterday (but I can promise you, it has, just the same weather pattern! :P ) |
| 02:05.19 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 02:10.15 | Esamynn|Work | lua> local n = 415 print( n / (math.pow(10 ,math.ceil(math.log10(n)))) ) |
| 02:10.15 | lua_bot | Esamynn|Work: 0.415 |
| 02:10.48 | Esamynn|Work | I'm disappointed in myself that it too me that long to come up with that :/ |
| 02:13.22 | bleeter | did folks just see that DCC spoof disconnect foo in #wikipedia or #freenode. moron got klined, but might be back. just a heads up to all admins |
| 02:13.28 | Shirik|Ecole | ok well I found the problem |
| 02:13.37 | Shirik|Ecole | apparently my protocol is sending version "-50" instead of version 2 |
| 02:15.05 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 02:15.19 | Shirik|Ecole | specifically, version "17.-50" |
| 02:15.22 | Shirik|Ecole | instead of "0.1" |
| 02:15.35 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 02:16.35 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm actually really impressed that I got a "-50" considering it's bytes... they shouldn't go negative |
| 02:17.22 | Esamynn|Work | you lost me with that statement |
| 02:17.58 | Shirik|Ecole | A byte in Java should be 0-255... I'm not sure where the negative came from |
| 02:18.13 | Esamynn|Work | depends on how you interpret it :P |
| 02:18.18 | Shirik|Ecole | byte is a variable type |
| 02:18.29 | Shirik|Ecole | it's Java's interpretation |
| 02:18.34 | Esamynn|Work | yes, but how are you converting it into a number? |
| 02:18.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Kinda just appending it to a string :P |
| 02:19.18 | Esamynn|Work | how much you wanna bet it's using 2's complement then? |
| 02:19.27 | Shirik|Ecole | oooooo |
| 02:19.32 | Shirik|Ecole | hm |
| 02:19.36 | Shirik|Ecole | 17 is the command code |
| 02:19.43 | Shirik|Ecole | -50 should be 2.... |
| 02:19.54 | Esamynn|Work | Returns a String object representing this Byte's value. The value is converted to signed decimal representation and returned as a string, exactly as if the byte value were given as an argument to the toString(byte) method. |
| 02:19.55 | Shirik|Ecole | it's the next two bytes I need |
| 02:21.34 | Shirik|Ecole | hm, "VOK 17.17" |
| 02:21.40 | Shirik|Ecole | better... no negative number :P |
| 02:22.15 | Shirik|Ecole | and it didn't crash |
| 02:24.27 | Shirik|Ecole | can you make friends in Java? |
| 02:24.42 | Esamynn|Work | uuhhhh |
| 02:28.01 | Shirik|Ecole | friend is like |
| 02:28.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Make a private member, but another class can access it because it's a friend |
| 02:28.20 | Shirik|Ecole | but no other classes can access it |
| 02:28.32 | Esamynn|Work | ahh |
| 02:28.38 | Shirik|Ecole | c++ thing |
| 02:28.48 | Esamynn|Work | you just had to refresh my memory |
| 02:28.56 | Esamynn|Work | closest you can get is protected |
| 02:29.01 | Esamynn|Work | and then you have to be in the same package |
| 02:29.06 | Esamynn|Work | iirc |
| 02:29.30 | MentalPower | protected is sub-classes |
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| 02:29.46 | Shirik|Ecole | http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/friends.html#faq-14.1 |
| 02:31.07 | cogwheel | you know... I sorta don't miss C++ |
| 02:31.56 | Esamynn|Work | protected allows access from package members as well |
| 02:32.45 | Shirik|Ecole | cogwheel: friends are often considered "evil" and a violation of OOP practices, but actually that's just because 99% of the time they're used for the wrong reasons |
| 02:32.55 | Shirik|Ecole | There can be good reasons for them, and it's actually a useful feature |
| 02:33.15 | cogwheel | i have no objection to friends in the context of C++... i was just talking generally |
| 02:34.54 | Shirik|Ecole | also, CRC8 is surprisingly effective |
| 02:34.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I am impressed |
| 02:36.04 | Shirik|Ecole | cry |
| 02:36.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Here's the reason for my problems: |
| 02:36.10 | Shirik|Ecole | for (int x = 0; x < VERSION_PACKET.length; ++x) |
| 02:36.10 | Shirik|Ecole | payload2[x] = VERSION_PACKET[0]; |
| 02:36.20 | Shirik|Ecole | VERSION_PACKET[x] >.> |
| 02:36.25 | buu | That's beautiful. |
| 02:36.29 | buu | See also, memcpy. |
| 02:36.47 | Shirik|Ecole | I would love to use that |
| 02:36.54 | Shirik|Ecole | unfortunately, someone was drunk when they built this bot |
| 02:36.57 | buu | See also: while( *x ) { *x++ = *y++ } |
| 02:36.58 | Shirik|Ecole | and they didn't put a processor on it |
| 02:37.06 | buu | Wait, what? |
| 02:37.21 | Shirik|Ecole | They put a Java chip on it instead. So I have one language to choose from. |
| 02:37.31 | buu | Oher,wtf. |
| 02:37.31 | Shirik|Ecole | The one language I absolutely despise. |
| 02:37.38 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik|Ecole: did you mean to do ++x instead of x++ ? |
| 02:37.57 | Esamynn|Work | oh wait, doesn't matter here, nm |
| 02:37.59 | Shirik|Ecole | they're identical in a case like that. It's a habit from C because in C that's actually faster. I doubt in Java it is, it's just a habit |
| 02:38.27 | Esamynn|Work | my fingers got ahead of my brain ;) |
| 02:40.10 | Esamynn|Work | ok, now you have me curious, I don't know C well enough to figure out why ++x is faster than x++ |
| 02:40.30 | MentalPower | Java has to run on something tho |
| 02:40.45 | MentalPower | theres no (usable) JavaOS afaik |
| 02:40.55 | Shirik|Ecole | x++ ends up being quite a few operations. The variable is pulled to another memory location, it is incremented, then it is put away again. |
| 02:41.02 | Shirik|Ecole | ++x ends up being one: Increment in place |
| 02:41.21 | Shirik|Ecole | MentalPower: Java chips are their own OS :) |
| 02:41.36 | Shirik|Ecole | It literally takes Java bytecode and runs it on its own. |
| 02:41.50 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik|Ecole: and the compiler isn't smart enough to make them equivalent when it doesn't matter? |
| 02:41.58 | MentalPower | but there has to be a kernel somewhere |
| 02:42.01 | bleeter | JavaOS is legacy, replaced by JavaME |
| 02:43.39 | Shirik|Ecole | MentalPower: I don't know the internals of how it works |
| 02:43.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I just know that it literally runs on its own. It is the processor and the software to make everything run |
| 02:44.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Aside from that chip, there's a few caps, some hardware devices, and that's it |
| 02:44.29 | Shirik|Ecole | And I can still multithread, etc. |
| 02:44.43 | bleeter | hmm, there's JX |
| 02:45.02 | bleeter | http://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/Projects/JX/index.html |
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| 02:51.12 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik|Ecole: so I had to check, given a smart compiler, there is no difference for built-in types, unless you're doing an assignment on the same line |
| 02:51.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Then compilers have gotten smarter than when I started to do that :) |
| 02:52.06 | Esamynn|Work | anyways |
| 02:52.56 | MentalPower | -->date("%c", -2000000000) |
| 02:52.57 | batbot | MentalPower: > [string "return date("%c", -2000000000)"]:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 02:53.02 | MentalPower | -->os.date("%c", -2000000000) |
| 02:53.02 | batbot | MentalPower: > Thu Aug 16 13:26:40 1906 |
| 02:53.08 | MentalPower | lua>os.date("%c", -2000000000) |
| 02:53.08 | lua_bot | MentalPower: Thu Aug 16 15:26:40 1906, |
| 02:53.14 | MentalPower | >>>os.date("%c", -2000000000) |
| 02:53.23 | MentalPower | wheres cide when you need him... |
| 02:54.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, I'm back with more dumb questions! |
| 02:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Could anyone provide a short *example* using the secure state headers and keybinds? |
| 02:55.17 | MentalPower | cogwheel: ping! ^^^^ |
| 02:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | *example code |
| 02:55.41 | cogwheel | MentalPower: gimmegimmegimme |
| 02:55.45 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:55.56 | MentalPower | ~lart cogwheel |
| 02:55.56 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, cogwheel!" and lops off cogwheel's head |
| 02:56.19 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: let me see if i can find something |
| 02:56.29 | cogwheel | pm |
| 02:58.54 | Shirik|Ecole | --> os.date("%c", 0), os.date("%c", 2^32) |
| 02:58.54 | batbot | Shirik|Ecole: > Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969, Fri Dec 13 13:45:52 1901 |
| 02:59.06 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, ya. I'm pretty good about warning the GMs to not move stinkyqueue threads to UI if I see it early enough |
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| 02:59.21 | Shirik|Ecole | what's with the stinkyqueue threads? |
| 02:59.25 | End | --> os.date("%c", 0), os.date("%c", 2^31) |
| 02:59.26 | batbot | End: > Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969, Fri Dec 13 13:45:52 1901 |
| 02:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: hehe, yeah. And we all <3 you for it, too |
| 02:59.50 | End | --> os.date("%c", 0), os.date("%c", 2^31-1) |
| 02:59.50 | batbot | End: > Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969, Mon Jan 18 20:14:07 2038 |
| 03:00.03 | Shirik|Ecole | 2038, the new Y2K |
| 03:00.26 | Duman | taner@crossover:~ >perl -e 'printf("%s\n", scalar localtime(2**31))' |
| 03:00.26 | Duman | Fri Dec 13 12:45:52 1901 |
| 03:00.26 | Duman | taner@crossover:~ >perl -e 'printf("%s\n", scalar localtime(2**31 - 1))' |
| 03:00.26 | Duman | Mon Jan 18 19:14:07 2038 |
| 03:00.29 | Duman | yep |
| 03:00.40 | Shirik|Ecole | It's been known about for a while |
| 03:00.44 | Shirik|Ecole | most APIs have already gone to 64 bits |
| 03:01.03 | Duman | well |
| 03:01.06 | kd3 | and it's probably going to be worse considering all of the embedded hardware that'll probably be active in 30 years |
| 03:01.14 | Duman | yes, that |
| 03:01.30 | Shirik|Ecole | And that's my field |
| 03:01.31 | Shirik|Ecole | yeyyyyyy |
| 03:05.55 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Nice PSA. |
| 03:07.23 | cogwheel | :) |
| 03:14.56 | Cidan | wat. |
| 03:15.49 | Cidan | seriously |
| 03:16.14 | Cidan | if by Jan 18 2038 we're not using 64 bit (or more) something is wrong |
| 03:17.54 | Wobwork | .. and your point? =P |
| 03:18.07 | Shirik|Ecole | Cidan, I still use 16 bit microcontrollers :P |
| 03:18.08 | bleeter | dolby-wowi: did we lose file d/l timestamps in the changeover to the new systems recently? |
| 03:18.19 | Shirik|Ecole | It wouldn't surprise me a ton if there were still systems on 32 bits |
| 03:18.50 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyone here used RXTX library? |
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| 03:19.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I bet Iriel's used RXTX |
| 03:20.01 | Cidan | my point is, even for embedded devices, etc, it won't be an issue |
| 03:20.25 | Shirik|Ecole | embedded systems don't really have a reason to go to 64 bits |
| 03:20.28 | Shirik|Ecole | it's a waste |
| 03:20.38 | Cidan | For now, perhaps |
| 03:20.41 | Shirik|Ecole | And when you're talking embedded systems, the #1 thing you don't talk about is waste |
| 03:20.41 | Iriel | Hm? |
| 03:20.43 | Cidan | a lot can happen in 30 years. |
| 03:20.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Iriel have you used RXTX? |
| 03:21.02 | Shirik|Ecole | (Java library, replacement for javax.comm) |
| 03:21.10 | Iriel | yes |
| 03:21.17 | Shirik|Ecole | Does it always do this when I call close()? |
| 03:21.22 | Iriel | For playing with some 2wire temperature sensors |
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| 03:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Stable Library |
| 03:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | ========================================= |
| 03:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Native lib Version = RXTX-2.1-7 |
| 03:21.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Java lib Version = RXTX-2.1-7 |
| 03:21.56 | Iriel | Hm, spam? |
| 03:22.12 | Shirik|Ecole | It did that when my program shut down. Not sure if close() or the shutdown triggered it |
| 03:22.46 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah it was the close(), just tested |
| 03:23.04 | Iriel | Is that followed by an 'Exception ..." message? |
| 03:25.58 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry ran away for a second |
| 03:26.00 | Shirik|Ecole | no it's not |
| 03:26.23 | Shirik|Ecole | Just BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 10 seconds) |
| 03:26.32 | Shirik|Ecole | (That's netbeans' way of saying "the program ended") |
| 03:28.18 | Iriel | I think there may be an exception but it's getting blocked |
| 03:28.33 | Iriel | Since all of the references to that message I can find include an exception after it |
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| 03:28.54 | Iriel | try sticking a 'try/catch' around the call and printing the exception |
| 03:29.13 | Iriel | (Sorry for the delay here, I was crawling under my desk to change video cards in my PC) |
| 03:30.07 | Shirik|Ecole | no message but it could be in the other thread |
| 03:30.26 | Shirik|Ecole | but I don't know how to trap it if that's where it is (RXTX library appears to spawn a thread) |
| 03:32.24 | Iriel | Can you run the program from a command line? |
| 03:33.13 | Shirik|Ecole | should be able to |
| 03:34.42 | Shirik|Ecole | though I get the same thing there (unless you have something else planned) |
| 03:34.46 | Iriel | see if you get an exception there.. possibly redirect to a file |
| 03:35.01 | Iriel | in case the program exits before the message is flushed from a buffer |
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| 03:45.10 | bleeter | w... t... f... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4187419771&sid=1&pageNo=2#28 |
| 03:46.16 | cogwheel | oh yay! they fixed the swamp of sorrows too! |
| 03:46.29 | bleeter | it was broken? |
| 03:46.39 | cogwheel | the same way bm was |
| 03:46.44 | cogwheel | for gnomes, anyway |
| 03:46.48 | bleeter | it was broken? |
| 03:46.52 | Shirik|Ecole | who cares |
| 03:46.55 | Shirik|Ecole | gnomes deserve extra pain |
| 03:46.57 | cogwheel | kd3 does |
| 03:47.05 | Shirik|Ecole | This "fix" breaks the realism of the world |
| 03:47.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm going to cancel my account |
| 03:47.22 | kd3 | hm? |
| 03:47.38 | cogwheel | no it doesn't... why would a mechanostrider suddenly turn itself off just 'cause it got ankle deep in some water? |
| 03:47.38 | Nom_ | *sigh* |
| 03:47.48 | Nom_ | I seem to have broken something in my code for work |
| 03:47.57 | Nom_ | But the area that's broken has nothing to do with the changes I was making |
| 03:48.15 | Nom_ | Like ... Probem here | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Changes here |
| 03:48.44 | cogwheel | this is surprise to u? |
| 03:48.46 | cogwheel | :P |
| 03:48.58 | Shirik|Ecole | Does decursive really spam you with five bazillion messages in the middle of the screen at login? |
| 03:50.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+cogwheel> no it doesn't... why would a mechanostrider suddenly turn itself off just 'cause it got ankle deep in some water? |
| 03:50.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | obviously it takes in air for the coolant system from the feet |
| 03:50.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | also the azerothian horses and whatnot breathe through their feet |
| 03:50.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just makes sense |
| 03:50.44 | cogwheel | nostrils, imo |
| 03:51.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | those are just for show |
| 03:51.07 | cogwheel | and no, humans don't get dismounted |
| 03:51.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | the feet's where the action happens |
| 03:51.13 | cogwheel | wouldn't* |
| 03:51.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought they fixed that |
| 03:51.24 | cogwheel | exactly.... |
| 03:51.31 | cogwheel | that's my whole point :P |
| 03:51.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | so that all races swim at the same height |
| 03:51.37 | cogwheel | they fixed swamp of sorrows too |
| 03:51.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh /me scrolls up |
| 03:51.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, black morass is basically swamp of sorrows |
| 03:52.00 | cogwheel | everybody was lauding the improvement on bm |
| 03:52.07 | cogwheel | i made that connection :P |
| 03:52.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean |
| 03:52.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what the blasted lands looked like |
| 03:52.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | before the portal |
| 03:53.00 | cogwheel | yep... was just mentioning that to my wife XD |
| 03:59.56 | Corrodias | hydross down, yay! |
| 04:00.03 | Corrodias | not bad for having 2 offtanks with next to no resistance gear |
| 04:01.31 | Shirik|Ecole | sigh |
| 04:01.32 | Shirik|Ecole | wtb friends |
| 04:01.59 | Lunessa | kd3 - Encrypted twice with ROT13. If you can read this, you're breaking the DMCA. Pay me one MIIIILLION dollars. ROFL |
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| 04:04.57 | Wobwork | isn't it Meeeelion? =) |
| 04:06.01 | Corrodias | i love the guild names around here. fate, dauntless, colossus, echelon, defiance, casualty... |
| 04:06.13 | Wobwork | aw Shirik|Ecole. I'll give you a good deal =) |
| 04:06.15 | Corrodias | alliance guild names not so much, though. |
| 04:06.32 | Shirik|Ecole | <LOLZ I PWNZOR JOO> |
| 04:06.37 | Shirik|Ecole | <HORDE FTL> |
| 04:06.43 | Shirik|Ecole | <we dont use caps> |
| 04:06.44 | Wobwork | I was a founding member of <Booty Bay Removals> |
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| 04:07.22 | Wobwork | I miss that as a guild name |
| 04:07.31 | Wobwork | otherwise <Ratchet Surf Club> |
| 04:11.41 | cogwheel | I'm a founding member of fat fluffy chipmunks |
| 04:11.42 | Corrodias | we had a <Bad Moo Rising>, but they disbanded. also <Fallen Tears>, but i think they may have migrated |
| 04:11.54 | Corrodias | good name, that |
| 04:14.33 | cogwheel | more legitimately--ffc was something my wife and i made so we wouldn't be spammed with /ginvites--i was also a founding member of Steam... don't know why he wanted to name it that bu t i went along with it... |
| 04:15.20 | Wobwork | kd3: (I can't recall if you were the one mentioning it... but) 1.1.3 jailbreak is available it seems? |
| 04:15.29 | kd3 | not I, no |
| 04:15.41 | Wobwork | hm, who was it? |
| 04:16.01 | cogwheel | bela? |
| 04:16.05 | Wobwork | aha |
| 04:16.09 | Wobwork | yes, quite likely |
| 04:17.23 | Wobwork | huh |
| 04:17.37 | Wobwork | they want us to install and run a program called iBrickr =P |
| 04:17.48 | Cairenn | bela has one, as does dolby-wowi |
| 04:18.19 | Shirik|Ecole | and you should all die for even thinking about buying one |
| 04:18.36 | Shirik|Ecole | not really, they look kinda cool, just too much for me actually |
| 04:18.41 | cogwheel | neighbor and i were working out an electricity bill and i asked if he had a calculator.... = iphone |
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| 04:20.12 | cogwheel | but... as fricking cool as it is... I never use my iPod... I never use my PDA... I never use my Cell... not really sure it would do much for me (sorry... i loves me my ellipses.......) |
| 04:20.48 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Same here. I still have my Palm III - in the box. |
| 04:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i use my cell... for making phone calls. >.> |
| 04:21.07 | Wobwork | Indeed |
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| 04:21.10 | Wobwork | I have an iTouch |
| 04:21.11 | cogwheel | same |
| 04:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | if i could get a 160gb itouch/iphone, i'd consider it |
| 04:21.39 | Wobwork | I wouldn't want an iPhone |
| 04:21.45 | cogwheel | mine's totally overkill for me as it is... i got it 'cause it was free and i really do like my cell service. |
| 04:21.54 | Wobwork | I don't want to be listening to my music all day long, then not have battery for a phonecall |
| 04:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobwork: see, i look at it as a convenient excuse for not talking to someone on the phone ;) |
| 04:23.39 | Shirik|Ecole | // Make myself a daemon (I only thrive off others!) |
| 04:23.39 | Shirik|Ecole | Thread.currentThread().setDaemon(true); |
| 04:23.39 | Shirik|Ecole | // Now to eat souls.... (oh wait... I'm a daemon, not demon...) |
| 04:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:26.11 | MentalPower | nice... |
| 04:31.01 | bleeter | I still use my newton to read ebooks |
| 04:31.27 | Shirik|Ecole | hm |
| 04:31.38 | Shirik|Ecole | am I allowed to put "// We need to GTFO" in a school project |
| 04:32.01 | bleeter | Corrodias: how does <Grumpy Old Farts> rate in your Alliance guild name scheme? |
| 04:32.26 | Shirik|Ecole | ~nickometer Grumpy Old Farts |
| 04:32.39 | sdouble | much better than <I N F A M O U S> |
| 04:32.59 | bleeter | 73% non-lame, good enough for me :) |
| 04:33.02 | sdouble | or <New Order of the Guardian Dragons> |
| 04:33.22 | sdouble | which I made up, but I've noticed the same 10 words are used in 80% of all the guilds I encounter |
| 04:33.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Iriel: Is there any kind of "friend" in Java? |
| 04:33.38 | Wobwork | dolby-wowi: http://cre.ations.net/blog/post/iphone-113-jailbreak-released |
| 04:33.44 | bleeter | <Should of Rolled Horde> makes me want to punch players in the face |
| 04:33.46 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out for the night. See you all tomorrow. |
| 04:33.47 | Shirik|Ecole | I feel really dirty making a class a subclass just so I can access a static field.... |
| 04:33.51 | Wobwork | ~botmail beladona http://cre.ations.net/blog/post/iphone-113-jailbreak-released |
| 04:33.51 | bleeter | nn Lunessa |
| 04:34.08 | Wobwork | hm, did I spell that right? |
| 04:34.14 | sdouble | I especially like seeing people not able to spell correctly when they make their guild |
| 04:34.24 | Shirik|Ecole | it's "botmail for", Wobwork |
| 04:34.26 | bleeter | sdouble: indeed, hence me wanting to punch people above ;) |
| 04:34.27 | Wobwork | aha |
| 04:34.34 | sdouble | or they do something like <Order of Silent assassins> |
| 04:34.34 | Wobwork | but I spelled bela's nick right? |
| 04:34.35 | Shirik|Ecole | sdouble: I know a game where it cost you a fortune to make a guild |
| 04:34.44 | Shirik|Ecole | And they did "ChoasLegion" |
| 04:34.51 | Shirik|Ecole | And they stuck with it for years because it was that expensive |
| 04:34.51 | sdouble | haha |
| 04:34.53 | Wobwork | ~botmail for beladona http://cre.ations.net/blog/post/iphone-113-jailbreak-released |
| 04:35.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Wobwork: I think so |
| 04:35.09 | Wobwork | ta =) |
| 04:35.14 | Shirik|Ecole | omg, you said ta |
| 04:35.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I can no longer talk to you |
| 04:35.21 | Wobwork | whut? |
| 04:35.29 | Shirik|Ecole | who invented "ta" really |
| 04:35.35 | Wobwork | It's a brit/aussieism |
| 04:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | the british, i think |
| 04:35.39 | Wobwork | originally brit though |
| 04:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | fucking british |
| 04:35.45 | Shirik|Ecole | Like, how do you even come up with that |
| 04:35.47 | kd3 | </3 firefox leaking memory |
| 04:35.49 | Wobwork | thanks |
| 04:35.52 | Shirik|Ecole | even "plox" makes more sense than that |
| 04:35.55 | kd3 | 3.5GB before I killed it |
| 04:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | you have to be british. its a specific british brain pattern that comes up with it |
| 04:36.05 | Wobwork | well, 'thanks' includes the letters 't' and 'a' |
| 04:36.14 | Wobwork | please and plox... however... =P |
| 04:36.18 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm surprised there's no "u" in it |
| 04:36.24 | Wobwork | Thaunks? |
| 04:36.32 | Wobwork | ploux? |
| 04:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | thunks. *nod* |
| 04:36.40 | sdouble | plaux |
| 04:36.48 | bleeter | that's kiwispeak (thunks) |
| 04:36.57 | Wobwork | nah |
| 04:37.01 | Wobwork | that's "thenks" |
| 04:37.08 | Cairenn | no, it's brit thing, that carried over to the commonwealth |
| 04:37.13 | bleeter | mmm such a close line, Wobwork |
| 04:37.22 | Wobwork | it's true bru |
| 04:37.26 | Cairenn | not a brit/aussie thing |
| 04:37.36 | Cairenn | since it's canadian too |
| 04:37.36 | Wobwork | commonwealthian thing =) |
| 04:37.43 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:37.44 | Wobwork | ta muchly |
| 04:38.23 | Wobwork | hehe, normally I dislike programs that pretend to be 'alive' and make 'witty' comments |
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| 04:38.30 | Wobwork | but iBrickr is pretty good =P |
| 04:38.43 | Wobwork | "Uploading image. This may take some time." |
| 04:38.48 | Wobwork | <10min later> |
| 04:39.02 | Wobwork | "Seriously, I said it would take a while. Just wait it out. It might be half an hour or something." |
| 04:39.22 | cogwheel | damn... i came here with the intent to add something to ~emulate art3mis, but I forgot what it was :( |
| 04:39.51 | bleeter | Wobwork: so you like the Wine install comment? |
| 04:40.13 | Wobwork | I... can't recall one, tbh |
| 04:40.37 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.37 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.37 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.54 | Wobwork | echo "Meanwhile... back at the ranch..." |
| 04:46.43 | Iriel | Shirik|Ecole: No. |
| 04:46.55 | Shirik|Ecole | bleh |
| 04:47.11 | kd3 | wtf. "[Dumbass] Not news: Wisconsin woman busted for DUI. News: She had a .27 blood alcohol level. Fark: she was on her way to work" |
| 04:47.44 | Shirik|Ecole | do you think it's ok to do that Iriel? Just to extend a class just for that one method? |
| 04:47.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | .27 in wisconsin is standard operating BAC |
| 04:47.56 | Shirik|Ecole | or is there a better way? |
| 04:48.08 | Iriel | i'll have to read back... |
| 04:49.24 | cogwheel | "Plzdontbanme has fled from Dontbanme in a duel" |
| 04:49.50 | Shirik|Ecole | Iriel: basically I'm writing a library |
| 04:50.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I have a class with some things I don't want to give access to, but it's something that another class in the library needs access to |
| 04:50.34 | Shirik|Ecole | While it doesn't really "extend" the features of that class, I had it extend the class just for access to that method |
| 04:50.42 | Iriel | Well, by default you can use package level access |
| 04:50.45 | Iriel | so maybe that's what you want |
| 04:50.51 | Shirik|Ecole | package? |
| 04:51.04 | Iriel | if it's neither public nor private, then it's package level |
| 04:51.05 | Shirik|Ecole | this is a new one I was unaware of o.o I only know private protected public |
| 04:51.13 | Iriel | classes in the same package can see package level things |
| 04:51.18 | Iriel | outside the package it's as if it's private |
| 04:51.30 | Shirik|Ecole | so if I just leave out the specifier it's package |
| 04:51.38 | Iriel | yes |
| 04:51.43 | Shirik|Ecole | nice... |
| 04:51.44 | Shirik|Ecole | thanks |
| 04:57.41 | bleeter | the more I cry, the more I wanna see 2.4 PTR |
| 04:57.59 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: you know what I mean? ;) |
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| 04:58.13 | bleeter | bah, not Mr_Rabies2 but MentalPower |
| 04:58.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 04:58.26 | MentalPower | lol |
| 04:58.30 | MentalPower | y? |
| 04:58.31 | bleeter | I must've really screwed up my irssi tab complete somewhere :/ |
| 04:58.38 | bleeter | MentalPower: 311 |
| 04:58.42 | MentalPower | oh |
| 04:58.48 | kd3 | whee, found a new servant of allistarj |
| 04:59.03 | kd3 | an ethereum nullifier's bugged out, not taking damage, not striking back, still attackable |
| 04:59.18 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 04:59.23 | kd3 | daggers 306... 307... |
| 04:59.34 | bleeter | I like the current reports of gutripper and matriarch pets, how they're heavily bugged. couldnt help but 'wtf lolz' at that |
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| 05:00.10 | bleeter | guess it's a side effect of fixing the 'evade' that was happening when they're actual mobs |
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| 05:14.54 | Cidan | woo |
| 05:16.25 | Cidan | So a friend from school IM's me, bitching about how she hates when people type in numbers and letters, how r u, etc. So she links to me this forum post on some random love talk forum or whatever. The original poster was crying and whining about how she was crying coming home from work because she was in a bad mood; so I said, More so than people who type in letters... |
| 05:16.51 | Cidan | I hate people who come home and bitch and moan and cry, for what? Working? God damned pussy, "I could never be with someone that weak." |
| 05:17.02 | Cidan | ...whoops, my friend was the original poster. |
| 05:18.43 | kd3 | ahaha at today's xkcd |
| 05:20.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:23.09 | Cidan | I'm such an awesome friend. |
| 05:23.16 | Cidan | Seriously, everyone should have a friend like me. |
| 05:23.31 | cogwheel | /win kd3 |
| 05:24.18 | Cidan | lol |
| 05:30.18 | bleeter | ahhh, no more /trunk |
| 05:31.18 | Shizen | h-mmm |
| 05:31.57 | bleeter | /trunk/<mod> is now /<mod>/trunk |
| 05:32.33 | bleeter | er ... /<mod>/trunk/<mod> .... :/ |
| 05:34.01 | Shizen | O.o new xkcd ? |
| 05:34.27 | bleeter | ~fail tuller |
| 05:34.28 | purl | tuller: Fail. |
| 05:34.59 | Shizen | ~lart tuller |
| 05:34.59 | purl | frags tuller with his BFG9000 |
| 05:35.02 | Shizen | maybe ? |
| 05:35.04 | Shizen | heh |
| 05:39.46 | Duman | mmm, BFG9000 |
| 05:42.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | the one from quake 2 of course |
| 05:42.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | not the puny quake 3 one |
| 05:42.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | the hugely overpowered beast from quake 2 |
| 05:42.28 | bleeter | aargh... bagnon_forever is /svn/Bagnon/trunk/Bagnon_Forever ... gunna have to special case that one :/ |
| 05:42.47 | Cairenn | well, if it's "puny", then by definition it isn't a BFG |
| 05:43.14 | Shizen | BPG |
| 05:43.28 | Cairenn | no, it'd be a SPG |
| 05:43.34 | Shizen | oh right rofl |
| 05:43.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean it's still quite powerful but nothing compared to the quake 2 one |
| 05:43.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's basically a slow plasma gun that hits like a truck |
| 05:44.38 | Cairenn | I know the gun :p |
| 05:44.43 | bleeter | guess I'm just gunna have to install all of Bagnon, and just not enable 3/4 of them |
| 05:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | sneaking into rcon and adding a xaero bot at nightmare difficulty is really really fun in lan games of quake 3 |
| 05:45.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | just as an fyi |
| 05:45.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like "who's xaero? some guy found the serverOHGOD" |
| 05:48.25 | sacarasc | heh |
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| 05:52.08 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.54 | Nom_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZxxYaKl_EU&feature=related <-- haha so true |
| 05:57.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I really wish people wouldn't mess with standard libraries |
| 05:57.28 | Shirik|Ecole | *** Semantic Error: The method "int[] getStackTrace();" in type "java.lang.Throwable" has private access and is not accessible here. |
| 05:57.33 | Shirik|Ecole | javadocs disagree |
| 06:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, can you programatically cancel auras? |
| 06:00.22 | MentalPower | yes |
| 06:00.37 | MentalPower | well... auras... define auras |
| 06:00.45 | NightHawkTheSane | shapeshift forms |
| 06:01.03 | MentalPower | if you can right click on the buff and it clears yes |
| 06:01.05 | MentalPower | otherwise no |
| 06:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | okay |
| 06:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | so, that said, anyone know of an already written addon to auto-cancel shapeshift forms when talking to a flight master? :) |
| 06:02.11 | MentalPower | stupidmount |
| 06:02.18 | MentalPower | might do it |
| 06:04.14 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, dont see it on wowi.. |
| 06:04.43 | bleeter | ohhhh, they're externals now |
| 06:05.03 | MentalPower | NightHawkTheSane: it be cosmos IIRC |
| 06:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ... >< |
| 06:05.14 | bleeter | sounds about right, MentalPower |
| 06:05.33 | MentalPower | y? |
| 06:05.40 | MentalPower | cause its part of cosmos? |
| 06:05.51 | bleeter | non-ACE? |
| 06:05.53 | NightHawkTheSane | no, because i already expended more effort looking on wowi and curse than i care to spend :) |
| 06:06.41 | NightHawkTheSane | that, and i need something to work on anyway |
| 06:06.45 | MentalPower | NightHawkTheSane: http://cosmosui.com/addons.php?info=StupidMount2 |
| 06:06.56 | bleeter | readin the doc, doesn't look like it would |
| 06:07.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Hm, looking at my time sheet I just filled out |
| 06:07.16 | Shirik|Ecole | Jan 23: 356 min. Jan 25: 372 min. |
| 06:07.18 | MentalPower | it uses IsMounted() |
| 06:07.23 | Shirik|Ecole | For something I'm supposed to spend maybe an hour a day on... |
| 06:07.26 | Shirik|Ecole | They're going to kill me |
| 06:07.28 | Shirik|Ecole | Time to go :) |
| 06:07.48 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:08.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i doubt just "IsMOunted()" would work |
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| 06:26.37 | reqol | where can I find a page on when new servers are opening, or is there no warning? |
| 06:27.01 | cogwheel | it's not even something they really like you asking about... :P |
| 06:27.08 | cogwheel | they come when they come |
| 06:27.31 | reqol | well, I was asking if maybe there were some coming out soon. I know sometimes they announce it a few days before they open :o |
| 06:28.41 | reqol | can you guys recommend a good ventrilo server host? |
| 06:28.44 | cogwheel | i've seen them announce them the day of a patch and i've seen them give nearly a week's warning so who knows? :P |
| 06:29.29 | kd3 | whee. pug maulgar kill |
| 06:29.32 | kd3 | <3 Medivh |
| 06:29.52 | Shirik|AFK | reqol: NationVoice |
| 06:30.01 | Shirik|AFK | I've had nothing but outstanding service from them |
| 06:30.39 | Shirik | I've had troubles with other hosting providers (including one where Flagship actually shut down my server because the provider failed to pay their contract for months) |
| 06:30.50 | Shirik | But NationVoice I've been with for 3 years now and they're amazing |
| 06:33.25 | reqol | not to sound cheap, as I believe their cost for a 50 slot vent server is very reasonable, I'm looking for the least costing-most slots per server host for now |
| 06:33.35 | reqol | but I'll keep that in mind |
| 06:35.07 | bleeter | Cairenn: so.. FF search plugin? |
| 06:35.13 | Cairenn | go for it |
| 06:35.17 | bleeter | reqol: I suspect most people look for best bang for buck ;) |
| 06:35.20 | Cairenn | you write it, we'll put it up |
| 06:35.40 | bleeter | Cairenn: but.. I don't have time. I'm *meant* to be doing MentalPower's new email server! ;) :P |
| 06:35.47 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:35.50 | bleeter | Cairenn: I'll see what I can bang together this weekend ;) |
| 06:35.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:37.42 | MentalPower | bleeter: is that an attempt to get away from building the email server :P |
| 06:37.53 | bleeter | not at all |
| 06:37.54 | Shirik | reqol: Just remember you get what you pay for |
| 06:38.04 | Shirik | But by all means, there are millions of other providers out there |
| 06:38.10 | bleeter | it's an attempt to explain I do have priorities, even if I may not be acting on them at this moment :P |
| 06:38.40 | bleeter | priority right now, is that combuctor svn is STILL screwed for me ingame :/ |
| 06:38.55 | Thunder_Child | ya, where is tuller? |
| 06:39.07 | bleeter | if he has any sense... hiding ;) |
| 06:39.23 | Thunder_Child | he asked me how the beta was going and i need to answer him |
| 06:39.27 | Shirik | What's wrong with this picture |
| 06:39.29 | Thunder_Child | s/beta/alpha/ |
| 06:39.39 | Shirik | shirik@waterdeep:~$ ls -l |
| 06:39.39 | Shirik | total 40 |
| 06:39.39 | Shirik | -rwxrw-rw- 1 batrick batrick 5869 2008-01-24 15:59 batbot.lua |
| 06:39.45 | MentalPower | grr... where the hell did I put my CAT5 cables?!?!?! |
| 06:39.49 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: it was going OK for me, 'til he changed his SVN around ;) |
| 06:40.13 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, how reciently? |
| 06:40.25 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: must be in.. last day or two at most |
| 06:40.40 | Thunder_Child | ah, havent updated it |
| 06:43.18 | cogwheel | http://fah-web.stanford.edu/awards/cert.php?u=your%20mom&pts=1&t=wus&bg=2 |
| 06:44.48 | clad|sleep | Blizzard downloader needed 4.0 MiB for the 3.64 MiB patch |
| 06:44.49 | clad|sleep | O.o |
| 06:45.03 | kd3 | bittorrent being inefficient, getting duplicate data |
| 06:45.29 | clad|sleep | aye :P |
| 06:45.30 | clad|sleep | funny to watch |
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| 06:46.24 | wobin | omghi |
| 06:47.02 | wobin | IRC from itouch |
| 06:47.19 | wobin | so hard to type with |
| 06:47.40 | cogwheel | compared to the wii? |
| 06:48.02 | wobin | point |
| 06:48.38 | wobin | I wish this iTunes install would work |
| 06:49.02 | End | success! |
| 06:49.07 | wobin | it keeps failing and it's pissing me off |
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| 06:52.41 | Shirik | that's pretty good batrick, nice way of concealing the string functions |
| 06:53.55 | MentalPower | Shirik: are you looking at batbot's source? |
| 06:54.04 | Shirik | yup |
| 06:54.08 | MentalPower | nice |
| 06:54.30 | MentalPower | now you can break it every hour instead of daily :P |
| 06:54.36 | bleeter | lol |
| 06:54.52 | Shirik | I can't see the C side though =( But tbh I'm running out of ideas |
| 06:55.22 | Shirik | >>> os.tmpname |
| 06:55.28 | Shirik | --> os.tmpname |
| 06:55.28 | batbot | Shirik: > function: 0x80b4b30 |
| 06:55.30 | Shirik | what's that? |
| 06:55.53 | MentalPower | a function that returns a temp file's name |
| 06:56.06 | MentalPower | --> os.tmpname() |
| 06:56.06 | batbot | MentalPower: > /tmp/lua_Zj7Fjc |
| 06:56.12 | Shirik | interesting |
| 06:56.21 | MentalPower | its broken in windows tho |
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| 07:01.28 | Shirik | collectgarbage("restart"); -- turned off??!! |
| 07:01.46 | Shirik | Didn't a wise man once say a man's intelligence is inversely proportional to the number of punctuation marks he uses? |
| 07:03.12 | sacarasc | that doesn't work though, using the right amount of punctuation would make your intelligence lower than "text-speak" morons. |
| 07:03.39 | Iriel | Maybe it should be 'inversely proportional to the number of unnecessary punctuation marks he uses'? |
| 07:03.47 | Tierrie_ | !!!!!!! |
| 07:03.52 | Shirik | okay |
| 07:03.54 | Iriel | but there does need to be a rule for skipping them |
| 07:04.07 | Shirik | we need to talk to batrick about his variable naming convention |
| 07:04.07 | art3mis | i love ah sniping |
| 07:04.07 | Iriel | because that's kinda dumb too. |
| 07:04.08 | Shirik | local task, tsk |
| 07:04.19 | art3mis | just got 2 stacks of primal earth |
| 07:04.22 | Shirik | task.cancel(tsk) |
| 07:04.23 | Shirik | great! |
| 07:04.45 | batrick | haha |
| 07:04.52 | batrick | shirik i just recoded the whole thing :) |
| 07:04.58 | Shirik | whole thing? |
| 07:04.59 | art3mis | 40 of em for 2copper ;P |
| 07:05.00 | Shirik | Are you serious? |
| 07:05.03 | batrick | the entire sandbox ya |
| 07:05.09 | batrick | i think you'll like it |
| 07:05.11 | Shirik | So I spent that time looking through it for nothing |
| 07:05.22 | batrick | no... there are similarities |
| 07:05.26 | Shirik | if (username == "Shirik") setfenv(0, {}) |
| 07:05.32 | Shirik | -- Safe enough for Shirik |
| 07:05.33 | batrick | besides my old sandbox is pretty cool i think |
| 07:05.50 | Shirik | There are some things that confuse me |
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| 07:06.51 | Shirik | Like this: require("rot13"); |
| 07:07.58 | batrick | ya i added some stuff that you won't find |
| 07:08.14 | Shirik | I could write a bot to find it |
| 07:08.19 | batrick | uhuh |
| 07:08.26 | Shirik | !rot13 a |
| 07:08.29 | Shirik | hm |
| 07:08.37 | batrick | --> rot13 |
| 07:08.38 | batbot | batrick: > function: 0x80b4f40 |
| 07:08.39 | batrick | :P |
| 07:08.47 | Shirik | Well I could have done that |
| 07:09.16 | MentalPower | -->rot13"hello world!" |
| 07:09.17 | batbot | MentalPower: > uryyb jbeyq! |
| 07:09.26 | MentalPower | -->rot13(rot13"hello world!") |
| 07:09.26 | batbot | MentalPower: > hello world! |
| 07:09.44 | art3mis | now do that with code ;P |
| 07:09.46 | Shirik | dear god |
| 07:09.49 | Shirik | is this really how LuaTask works? |
| 07:10.08 | Shirik | Please tell me you used some kind of horrible version of LuaTask for security purposes |
| 07:11.11 | Thunder_Child | ewww art3mis |
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| 07:12.28 | batrick | shirik no that's how it works |
| 07:13.01 | Shirik | time to do basic testing on the new sandbox?! |
| 07:14.53 | batrick | ya |
| 07:14.54 | batrick | well |
| 07:15.00 | batrick | i put it inyour directory, the whole bot |
| 07:15.02 | Shirik | no pcall crap I know |
| 07:15.03 | batrick | under batbot |
| 07:15.03 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:15.12 | Shirik | btw |
| 07:15.14 | batrick | u can look at the new sandbox |
| 07:15.19 | Shirik | you totally haxored my user directory |
| 07:15.23 | batrick | :D |
| 07:15.33 | Shirik | drwxr-xr-x 6 shirik shirik 4096 2008-01-25 00:15 shirik |
| 07:15.40 | Shirik | I do not see any "shirik AND BATRICK" in there |
| 07:15.49 | batrick | i do wut i want |
| 07:15.52 | Shirik | :P |
| 07:16.27 | batrick | basically i'm using the regular global environment now |
| 07:16.27 | Shirik | shirik@waterdeep:/home$ chown shirik ./batrick |
| 07:16.27 | Shirik | chown: changing ownership of `./batrick': Operation not permitted |
| 07:16.28 | Shirik | =( |
| 07:16.41 | batrick | i got tired of finding ways to find the _G |
| 07:16.45 | batrick | real _G** |
| 07:17.38 | Shirik | Odd that you have a shebang in your Lua files |
| 07:17.41 | Shirik | Lua allows that? |
| 07:17.45 | batrick | yes |
| 07:17.49 | Shirik | never knew that |
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| 07:22.24 | batrick | i spent a good hour debugging a peculiarity in next() |
| 07:22.34 | Shirik | You almost got destroyed |
| 07:22.41 | Shirik | I'm still not quite sure how you hid it |
| 07:22.44 | Shirik | working on figuring thato ne out |
| 07:22.54 | batrick | --> t = {hi = 4, wut = 3} a = setmetatable({hi = 2}, {__index = t}) |
| 07:23.18 | batrick | --> print(a.hi) a.hi = nil print(next(a, "hi")) |
| 07:23.19 | batbot | batrick: 2 nil |
| 07:23.30 | batrick | doesn't error :( |
| 07:23.35 | kd3 | whee, I love tanking gruul as a mage. 30k crush |
| 07:23.49 | Shirik | I don't see what's worng with that |
| 07:23.52 | Shirik | next returned nil |
| 07:24.03 | batrick | --> next(t, "alskdjflkjasdf") |
| 07:24.04 | batbot | batrick: > invalid key to 'next' |
| 07:24.21 | Shirik | it's probably Luatask's fault |
| 07:24.24 | batrick | nope |
| 07:24.29 | Shirik | From now on, if there's a bug, it's LuaTask's fault |
| 07:24.41 | batrick | haha, i like that policy |
| 07:24.53 | Shirik | wow, you really went nutso on next |
| 07:24.59 | batrick | i have to |
| 07:26.44 | Cidan | NaPTiME |
| 07:27.10 | bleeter | argh ARGH ARGHARGHARGHARGHARGAHRGHAG MOFO 311 ARGHAGRHARGHARGHARGHARG |
| 07:27.13 | Cidan | k |
| 07:28.43 | bleeter | Shirik: > invalid bot target, get a clue! :P |
| 07:28.50 | Shirik | stfu! |
| 07:28.55 | bleeter | Iriel: don't you start! :/ :P |
| 07:29.20 | bleeter | bad taste 'joke' incoming.... |
| 07:29.24 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.30 | bleeter | too many cock-sucking cowboys. |
| 07:30.33 | Thunder_Child | ~calm bleeter |
| 07:30.34 | purl | ACTION sooths bleeter, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm bleeter down. |
| 07:30.57 | bleeter | one day, I'm gunna manage to make a 'describe what you were doing' crash report that'll make the engi's LOL so hard they'll msg me back |
| 07:31.32 | Shirik | lua> 2028 / 256, 2028 % 256 |
| 07:31.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: 7.921875, 236 |
| 07:33.18 | Shirik | I guess IRC doesn't like unicode huh |
| 07:33.34 | Thunder_Child | bleeter "well i was scratching my right arm while trying to hold a cup of hot chocolate all the while yelling at my significant other and nudging the mousr with an elbow...." |
| 07:33.47 | Thunder_Child | mouse* |
| 07:34.01 | bleeter | Shirik: no, not really. IRC is iirc 8bit |
| 07:34.11 | Shirik | too bad |
| 07:34.13 | bleeter | or maybe it's 7 with some weird bit sitting on the 8th |
| 07:34.19 | Shirik | I had this brilliant workaround for escaping too |
| 07:34.27 | bleeter | it's possible to do, UTF tho‽ |
| 07:34.29 | kd3 | eh, some hacked ircds work in utf-8. |
| 07:34.46 | kd3 | kanji works just fine every now and then |
| 07:34.49 | bleeter | yeah, the ircd and client and client's OS all need to work nice together |
| 07:34.51 | Shirik | bleeter: Then do I have to do some strange stuff? |
| 07:35.02 | bleeter | you ARE strange stuff |
| 07:35.03 | bleeter | so yes |
| 07:35.14 | bleeter | :P could you be more precise in your question? |
| 07:36.26 | Shirik | If I wanted to send it to the ircd, what bytes would I send |
| 07:36.32 | Shirik | given a sample unicode char |
| 07:38.15 | batrick | shirik u hsould spend some time looking at batbot/interpret.lua |
| 07:38.27 | batrick | there is a way to d/c my bot in there if you're clever |
| 07:38.30 | batrick | i'll let u find it |
| 07:40.07 | Shirik | I need to finish this first |
| 07:40.25 | Shirik | --> tonumber("11011111", 2) |
| 07:40.25 | batbot | Shirik: > 223 |
| 07:41.21 | Shirik | --> tonumber("10101100", 2) |
| 07:41.21 | batbot | Shirik: > 172 |
| 07:41.52 | Shirik | was that me? |
| 07:41.55 | Shirik | I odn't think so |
| 07:41.57 | batrick | no |
| 07:42.14 | Shirik | It was about 5 seconds after I did something so :P |
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| 07:43.17 | Thunder_Child | ~hate |
| 07:43.17 | purl | ,,|, |
| 07:43.29 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 07:45.32 | batrick | ~hate |
| 07:45.32 | purl | ,,|, |
| 07:45.40 | batrick | <3 purl |
| 07:46.46 | Shirik | Hm |
| 07:46.52 | Shirik | Well I was hoping for some UTF8 goodiness |
| 07:47.29 | Thunder_Child | "Speaking of Spider-Man 3, WTF happened to that movie!!! it was the biggest dissapointment ever. Seriously, when Peter Parker did his little musical number a little part of me died..." |
| 07:47.54 | Thunder_Child | http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00421 |
| 07:49.25 | batrick | spider man 3 had so much lame shit |
| 07:49.32 | batrick | he's supposed to be pissed not emo |
| 07:51.39 | Shirik | you all are so going to laugh at me for this |
| 07:51.41 | Shirik | but I have to try |
| 07:51.50 | Shirik | let me leave channels where they might yell at me first though |
| 07:52.52 | \nQUIT | --> "Test" |
| 07:52.53 | batbot | \nQUIT: > Test |
| 07:52.55 | \nQUIT | damn it! |
| 07:53.07 | batrick | hahahhahaha |
| 07:53.33 | batrick | let me know when u give up looking for the bug shirik |
| 07:53.41 | Shirik | hell no I'm going to find it |
| 07:53.47 | Shirik | and it's totally going to be your fault I'm not awake for class tomorrow |
| 07:53.50 | Shirik | er, todayu |
| 07:53.52 | batrick | haha |
| 07:54.31 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Shirik |
| 07:54.31 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Shirik!" |
| 07:57.24 | Shirik | batrick probably just said this so I stay up all night lol |
| 07:57.33 | Shirik | worst part is he put "if you're clever" |
| 07:57.38 | Shirik | that's like... you can't turn that down |
| 07:58.50 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/348706/data-center-cabling-masterpieces <-- some porn cabeling and 1 that you will have nightmares from |
| 07:59.07 | Thunder_Child | s/porn cabeling/cabeling porn/ |
| 07:59.14 | batrick | Shirik: i promise it's there :0 |
| 07:59.17 | batrick | :) ** |
| 07:59.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kalroth (n=kalroth@0x573f1066.hjnqu1.broadband.tele.dk) |
| 07:59.25 | batrick | and it's entirely in interpret.lua :P |
| 07:59.31 | Thunder_Child | cabling* |
| 07:59.36 | Thunder_Child | cableing* w/e |
| 07:59.37 | batrick | so it shouldn't take you long! |
| 08:00.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (n=wobin@203-158-45-232.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 08:00.42 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Wobin |
| 08:00.42 | purl | pries Wobin's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Wobin |
| 08:01.04 | batrick | no one ever says anyting in my bug reports |
| 08:01.06 | batrick | gj shirik |
| 08:01.09 | Shirik | I can't believe I didn't catch that earlier |
| 08:01.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge batbot (n=batbot@c-68-35-186-180.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:01.13 | batrick | :) |
| 08:01.22 | Shirik | I skipped right past it because it was one line |
| 08:01.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge batbot (n=batbot@c-68-35-186-180.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:02.07 | batrick | --> error("\n QUIT :no u!") |
| 08:02.07 | batbot | batrick: @ [string "return error("\n QUIT :no u!")"]:1: \n QUIT :no u! |
| 08:02.08 | Shirik | So what happened to the "Shirik didn't break me this time, promise" quit messages? |
| 08:02.22 | Wobin | cause that's a lie |
| 08:02.29 | batrick | eh, i'm too lazy to add my own signal handler to batbot :) |
| 08:02.48 | Shirik | I should have done something like \nNOTICE #wowi-lounge :I am the voice of god |
| 08:02.58 | Shirik | Can you even notice this channel? |
| 08:03.03 | Shirik | yup |
| 08:04.17 | Shirik | I love how easy regexes are in vim |
| 08:04.24 | Shirik | Need something like that in word |
| 08:04.37 | Shirik | you just hit / and bam you're typing a search pattern |
| 08:05.01 | batrick | batbot: r u now invincible? |
| 08:05.01 | batbot | batrick, Yes. |
| 08:05.10 | Shirik | orly? |
| 08:05.53 | Shirik | batrick, I wouldn't stand behind that statement very long |
| 08:05.58 | batrick | eh |
| 08:06.05 | batrick | gotta say something to inspire u |
| 08:06.13 | Shirik | I don't need inspiring |
| 08:06.19 | batrick | it helps |
| 08:06.21 | Shirik | there's still an outstanding bug in batbot :P |
| 08:06.26 | batrick | and that is? |
| 08:06.42 | Shirik | that one! |
| 08:06.43 | batrick | lol |
| 08:06.49 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.54 | Shirik | I typed it wrong the first time, I thought you fixed it for a second >< |
| 08:07.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge batbot (n=batbot@c-68-35-186-180.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:07.29 | batrick | i swear when u make a bot i'm going to destroy it |
| 08:07.34 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:07.43 | Shirik | See get this, I'm working on a bot right now. Two actually. |
| 08:07.53 | batrick | irc bots?.. |
| 08:07.59 | Shirik | But here's the best part... since it's an embedded system, it's not accessible by anyone other than the people I trust :D |
| 08:08.06 | Shirik | nah |
| 08:08.11 | Shirik | I was working on an irc bot a while ago for lolcode |
| 08:08.14 | Shirik | I gave up on that though |
| 08:08.32 | Shirik | The people were changing the language too much, and I had finally implemented something that was next to gd impossible because of the stupid structure of the language |
| 08:08.32 | Wobin | <3 xkcd |
| 08:08.39 | Shirik | and then they're all like "oh we'll just put commas in" |
| 08:08.50 | Shirik | IT'S LOLCODE LOLCATS DO NOT TALK WITH COMMAS" |
| 08:09.55 | Shirik | hehe Wobin |
| 08:09.57 | Shirik | xkcd is win |
| 08:10.12 | Wobin | s/IT'S/ITS/ |
| 08:10.29 | Shirik | sorry |
| 08:11.09 | Shirik | in Vim... is there a way to find out what file you're in |
| 08:11.10 | Shirik | I forgot |
| 08:11.22 | batrick | u can save it lul |
| 08:11.24 | Wobin | I have the filename in the border thingie |
| 08:11.33 | Shirik | no I can't lul |
| 08:11.34 | Shirik | E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override) 231,3 68% |
| 08:11.47 | batrick | are you trying to save shit to batbot? |
| 08:11.56 | Shirik | no, you put it in my directory with crap permissions |
| 08:12.04 | batrick | i was very generous! |
| 08:12.08 | batrick | read AND execute! |
| 08:14.35 | batrick | http://xkcd.com/371/ |
| 08:14.38 | batrick | LMFAO |
| 08:14.47 | kd3 | ok... wtf. maybe the anime fans will get why I'm still going "wtf" at this... |
| 08:14.52 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Clannad_%28Nathrezim_US%29 |
| 08:15.01 | Wobin | batrick: welcome to 4 minutes ago =P |
| 08:15.14 | Wobin | make that 6 |
| 08:15.40 | batrick | well QQ |
| 08:16.01 | batrick | u just said '<3 xkcd' u didn't say y |
| 08:16.15 | Wobin | well it should be self evident since it was completely out of the blue =) |
| 08:16.27 | batrick | i know, i went to go see what u <3'd |
| 08:16.44 | Shirik | actually, batrick linked an older one |
| 08:17.37 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.40 | Wobin | maybe |
| 08:18.08 | Shirik | that did nothing but piss it off |
| 08:18.23 | Elkano | batrick, today's xkcd is <3 |
| 08:19.10 | Wobin | oh, you're in vi not vim? |
| 08:19.36 | Shirik | no I'm in vim |
| 08:19.38 | Shirik | it just pissed it off |
| 08:19.50 | Wobin | try :set title? |
| 08:19.55 | Wobin | to see what it's set to |
| 08:20.03 | Shirik | uh |
| 08:20.09 | Tem | \maketitle |
| 08:20.11 | Shirik | it says title |
| 08:21.54 | Wobin | try :e |
| 08:21.58 | batrick | i think shirik and i pushed back 5.1.3 back a couple weeks |
| 08:22.08 | Shirik | I gave them a patch! |
| 08:22.10 | Wobin | that reopens the file though |
| 08:22.12 | batrick | no new release clients since all our bug reports lol |
| 08:22.30 | Shirik | And they were like "ohoho that's not ANSI C" and I'm like "fine use INT_MAX" and they never responded |
| 08:22.44 | Shirik | I really liked that trick too! |
| 08:23.06 | batrick | :P |
| 08:23.23 | Shirik | what is the @ for? |
| 08:23.36 | batrick | decided to use a new symbol to differentiate errors from returns |
| 08:23.48 | batrick | "at" symbol seemed proper for some reason |
| 08:24.05 | Kalroth | What did you two wankers break now?! |
| 08:24.12 | Shirik | hey, I fixed it for them |
| 08:24.28 | Kalroth | It was working as intended, then you broke it! |
| 08:24.40 | Shirik | --> return ("s"):rep(2^32+2) |
| 08:24.40 | batbot | Shirik: > ss |
| 08:24.45 | Shirik | definitely working as intended, yup |
| 08:25.23 | batrick | --> t = {} table.insert(t, 2^32, "hi") |
| 08:25.26 | batrick | --> return t[0] |
| 08:25.26 | batbot | batrick: > hi |
| 08:25.30 | batrick | they better not ignore that! |
| 08:25.59 | batrick | us computer engineers get no love |
| 08:26.06 | Kalroth | that's just because they're saving memory for more important data, so it wraps the int over |
| 08:26.19 | batrick | i hope that was a joke |
| 08:26.20 | Shirik | or because they did an unsafe conversion from double to int |
| 08:27.08 | Kalroth | Shirik: Noooope, I'm pretty sure it's to save memory! And so you can implement future binary injection patches. |
| 08:27.11 | Thunder_Child | "(00:26:04) (batrick) us computer engineers get no love" they need to earn it like everyone else |
| 08:27.28 | batrick | we it it all the time when we correct CS major fuck ups :) |
| 08:27.33 | batrick | we earn it* |
| 08:28.38 | Thunder_Child | no, i'm a CS major fuck up |
| 08:28.45 | Thunder_Child | you get nothin |
| 08:29.56 | batrick | --> table.remove(t, 2^32) return t[0] |
| 08:29.56 | batbot | batrick: > hi |
| 08:29.56 | batrick | right, they put that bound checking in now |
| 08:30.02 | Shirik | batbot, ur |
| 08:30.02 | batrick | from my last bug report on that |
| 08:30.06 | Shirik | batbot, ur cool |
| 08:30.11 | Shirik | !ur cool |
| 08:30.13 | Shirik | wtf is that? |
| 08:30.16 | batrick | ? |
| 08:30.20 | Shirik | ur.lua? |
| 08:30.26 | batrick | it's disable in wowi |
| 08:30.37 | Shirik | batbot, no u r |
| 08:30.41 | Shirik | batbot, nour |
| 08:30.48 | Shirik | I'm so confused by this file |
| 08:31.34 | batrick | go look at freenode.conf |
| 08:31.42 | Shirik | omg all my colors changed |
| 08:31.46 | Shirik | what youdid to my permissions |
| 08:31.48 | Shirik | I'm blind now |
| 08:31.54 | Olison | mikma: MrUseful works again now :D |
| 08:32.39 | batrick | lol? |
| 08:32.42 | batrick | i didn't do anything |
| 08:34.38 | Corrodias | OH? |
| 08:34.41 | Corrodias | and what is mruseful? |
| 08:35.05 | Olison | a bot |
| 08:35.15 | Olison | much like ThraeBot |
| 08:35.39 | Shirik | it would be really cool if your google/youtube search didn't suck batrick |
| 08:35.51 | batrick | dude it's awesome |
| 08:35.57 | Shirik | yeah it's awesome |
| 08:36.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Roath (n=Roath@0x50a04b86.unknown.tele.dk) |
| 08:36.03 | Shirik | goes to the same site every time |
| 08:36.05 | Corrodias | totally it's awesome |
| 08:36.07 | batrick | ... |
| 08:36.13 | Shirik | !google foo |
| 08:36.13 | batbot | Shirik: <img src="/images/logo_sm.gif" width=150 height=55 alt=Google border=0 vspace=12> <http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en> |
| 08:36.17 | Shirik | !google ijawefa |
| 08:36.17 | batbot | Shirik: <img src="/images/logo_sm.gif" width=150 height=55 alt=Google border=0 vspace=12> <http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en> |
| 08:36.22 | Shirik | !google yo mamma |
| 08:36.23 | batbot | Shirik: <img src="/images/logo_sm.gif" width=150 height=55 alt=Google border=0 vspace=12> <http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en> |
| 08:36.28 | Shirik | etc. |
| 08:36.29 | batrick | the hell |
| 08:36.36 | Olison | heh |
| 08:36.40 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:36.46 | batrick | !g youtube |
| 08:36.47 | batbot | batrick: <img src="/images/logo_sm.gif" width=150 height=55 alt=Google border=0 vspace=12> <http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en> |
| 08:36.50 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 08:36.53 | Shirik | youtube gives you the same things too |
| 08:36.56 | Shirik | !youtube foo |
| 08:36.57 | batbot | Shirik: <img src="/images/logo_sm.gif" width=150 height=55 alt=Google border=0 vspace=12> <http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en> |
| 08:36.59 | batrick | fucking pos google |
| 08:37.01 | Shirik | isn't that awesome? |
| 08:37.03 | Kalroth | tag us, baby! |
| 08:37.08 | batrick | they changed their html format |
| 08:37.14 | Shirik | haha |
| 08:37.16 | Kalroth | Use the API? ;p |
| 08:37.17 | Shirik | they do that? |
| 08:37.21 | Shirik | The page always looks the same |
| 08:37.22 | batrick | they don't have an API |
| 08:37.32 | batrick | they used to |
| 08:37.35 | batrick | can't get it anymore |
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| 08:38.52 | Corrodias | API's are bad. proprietary, that's the future! |
| 08:42.42 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 08:43.07 | Shirik | I'm not getting a response from batbot |
| 08:43.07 | Shirik | does it hate me? |
| 08:43.54 | Kalroth | batrick: I'm sure it's easier reversing http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/ than it is to parse a html page that changes somewhat often :) |
| 08:44.49 | Shirik | I wonder if I just found another bug in Lua |
| 08:44.52 | Corrodias | re: boat vendors, "...clearly this is a feature players want..." -- it is? |
| 08:44.54 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 08:45.01 | Shirik | -- is comment... |
| 08:45.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:45.49 | batrick | Kalroth: probably |
| 08:47.49 | Roath | how long does it generally take for an addon to go from pending to updated? just wondering |
| 08:48.17 | Shirik | as long as it takes for you to tell me to go check it |
| 08:48.25 | Roath | lol |
| 08:48.28 | Shirik | plus a little extra time |
| 08:48.30 | Shirik | obviously |
| 08:48.42 | Shirik | omg 3 files in the queue |
| 08:48.53 | Roath | lol |
| 08:49.33 | Shirik | out of curiosity why do you have a textures.lua and no textures? |
| 08:49.50 | Roath | it hides the textures from the mainbar that isn't needed |
| 08:49.59 | Roath | the name might not be the best for it :P |
| 08:50.08 | Shirik | ah |
| 08:50.29 | Roath | i suck at making understandable filenames :P |
| 08:50.57 | Shirik | Sorry I wasn't watching the queue earlier; I was too busy breaking batrick's bot |
| 08:51.09 | Shirik | I see it's been there for like 3 hours >< |
| 08:51.31 | bleeter | hmm |
| 08:51.38 | bleeter | I wonder if this spells the end of duelling in IF |
| 08:51.42 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4191340306&sid=1 |
| 08:51.59 | bleeter | TLDR version: Horde are using the duel spot near the bank to deflag |
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| 08:52.15 | Roath | i just thought it was a script or something that just scanned the files etc. didn't know it was a person :) |
| 08:52.21 | Corrodias | awesome |
| 08:52.31 | Corrodias | Ironforge is horde-friendly? |
| 08:52.40 | Corrodias | i love them dwarfs. |
| 08:52.46 | bleeter | the IF duel spot is 'dun morogh' |
| 08:52.57 | bleeter | it's been a long standing flaw with the map, more details in the forum post |
| 08:53.38 | Roath | there is also a bugged cave on top of IF mountain, it says you are in silithus when you enter it |
| 08:53.43 | Roath | very tiny cave too |
| 08:54.03 | Shirik | Roath: Your stuff is set |
| 08:54.08 | Roath | thanks :) |
| 08:54.33 | Shirik | <3 5KB addons, they take no time at all |
| 08:55.24 | nevcairiel | i should add some bad lua code to one of my addons, like delete all items and send gold to my char, wonder if shirik detects that :) |
| 08:55.40 | Shirik | I am all-knowing an omnicient |
| 09:01.38 | batrick | i win |
| 09:02.19 | Shirik | you win? |
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| 09:03.10 | batrick | !g youtube |
| 09:03.15 | batbot | batrick: YouTube <http://www.youtube.com/?hl=en&q=youtube&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=w1> |
| 09:03.38 | batrick | don't think google will be able to break it next time |
| 09:04.14 | Corrodias | !g gnome porn |
| 09:04.14 | batbot | Corrodias: Gnomes Escape from Gnome Peepshow (Comments) <http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/1555/> |
| 09:04.27 | Corrodias | wha... |
| 09:05.09 | Shirik | ... |
| 09:05.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 09:06.09 | Corrodias | needs moar tweaking. |
| 09:06.52 | batrick | uh, that's the first result for google |
| 09:08.37 | Corrodias | it should have known better |
| 09:11.07 | Roath | <3 wowi new design xD |
| 09:12.23 | Kalroth | 'Reuters reports that scantily clad garden gnomes have disappeared from a "gnome peepshow" located in an East German amusement park.' |
| 09:12.25 | Shirik | ok I have to get some sleep |
| 09:12.25 | Shirik | night |
| 09:12.27 | Kalroth | what the fuck |
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| 10:11.21 | Wobin | whups |
| 10:11.22 | Wobin | http://data.tumblr.com/K2YaURvrP42aydtnvPKE9s1W_500.jpg |
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| 13:53.22 | Taurmindo | anyone know if it's possible to have a row break in a text string in pitbull, which uses dogtag? something like <br> or \n or similar?` |
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| 14:05.39 | Kaso | you'd think \n would work unless they filter that out, tried it out Taurmindo ? |
| 14:05.57 | |pez| | the yellow one is mine! http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=234 |
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| 15:56.13 | Valaron|Work | tgif |
| 15:58.04 | haste | I fixed it for you: gift |
| 15:58.38 | End-class | waffles? |
| 15:59.06 | haste | yes please |
| 15:59.23 | malreth | pancakes |
| 15:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | Hash browns and real maple syrup, yum. |
| 16:00.03 | haste | Damn you and your talk about food! |
| 16:00.51 | Lopeppeppy | I had Pringles and Mountain Dew for breakfast, does that help your shopping list any? |
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| 16:12.43 | Valaron|Work | wow.. this profanity addon thread has grown to 7 pages. |
| 16:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sort of surprised, but then again, a good nonsensical debate really brings out the poster in everyone, doesn't it? |
| 16:13.17 | cog|work | only 'cause of a certain orc troll |
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| 16:14.40 | Fin | Lopeppeppy: what do you mean by, brings out the poster? |
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| 16:16.53 | Valaron|Work | I can't post anymore :) I haven't paid my fees. |
| 16:17.15 | Valaron|Work | My computer itz broke |
| 16:17.28 | cog|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | It's the kind of thread that makes everyone want to chime in with their two cents' worth of opinion. Free speech, debate on theory, bashing The Man, all that. |
| 16:17.54 | Valaron|Work | Plus, I've been playing No More Heroes. |
| 16:18.53 | haste | Lopeppeppy: not really, as we dno't have mountain dew in norway |
| 16:21.45 | Lopeppeppy | Valaron, I think you're more sane than I am. |
| 16:21.52 | Lopeppeppy | haste, dearling, that's what ebay is for. :) |
| 16:22.12 | haste | lol :p |
| 16:23.32 | Valaron|Work | Sane? |
| 16:23.37 | Valaron|Work | Moi? |
| 16:24.16 | Valaron|Work | It's just a mask. |
| 16:25.50 | Fin | aha |
| 16:26.00 | Fin | right, got it, poster as in someone who posts to a forum :) thanks |
| 16:26.05 | Fin | I was thinking "poster child" for some reason |
| 16:26.13 | art3mis | buying a case of mountaindew on ebay is just ummm |
| 16:26.25 | Fin | dodgy as fuck? |
| 16:26.31 | art3mis | yeah thats it |
| 16:27.28 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4184979008&sid=1&pageNo=7#133 /giggle |
| 16:28.11 | Fin | what's a reasonable price to pay for a Nether Vortex when you're paying someone to craft an item for you? |
| 16:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | AFK new washer! |
| 16:31.26 | ralfWORK | Fin: I understand them to be about 5-600g |
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| 16:32.38 | ralfWORK | different realms, different prices, etc etc all that |
| 16:33.13 | Fin | thanks, much obliged |
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| 16:35.41 | haste | art3mis: I actually looked, but couldn't find anything :-P |
| 16:35.49 | haste | lots of mountain dew themed lighters tho'! |
| 16:40.37 | art3mis | heh |
| 16:40.44 | art3mis | ya know what would make the ah REALLY funny |
| 16:41.04 | art3mis | if they changed it so that you need to be the usable level of the item to purchase it |
| 16:41.51 | cladhaire | why, would only add a 30c overhead |
| 16:41.55 | cladhaire | i buy it, and mail it to my alt to sell :P |
| 16:42.58 | nevcairiel | that would kinda suck tho, i have an alt in IF for buying stuff, i send gold to it, send item back..^^ |
| 16:42.58 | art3mis | i meant for the level 1 merchants and gold traders |
| 16:43.42 | art3mis | not to mention crossfaction trading |
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| 16:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Back, with a new washing machine. |
| 16:49.53 | cog|work | woot! clean clothes! |
| 16:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | Finally... it broke before Christmas. |
| 16:52.17 | cog|work | laundromats 4tl |
| 16:52.36 | art3mis | but without laundromats how are you supposed to pick up chicks all 70s style? |
| 16:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. I do not "pick up chicks", art3mis. I do my washing and scurry off home. |
| 16:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | City laundromats are no place for single women. |
| 16:53.04 | art3mis | well maybe you should have |
| 16:53.16 | art3mis | i know i'd be much better off knowing you had ;P |
| 16:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | True that, perhaps I would have not gotten such a defective male model if I'd shopped more carefully. |
| 16:53.37 | art3mis | no |
| 16:53.42 | art3mis | all male versions are defective |
| 16:53.54 | art3mis | it's just how the press at the factory was made |
| 16:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | Some are better than others, truly so. |
| 16:54.34 | art3mis | true i suppose there is a difference between 1 missed stitch and an F-shirt |
| 16:55.39 | Lopeppeppy | Very, very much so. If I trade in, I'll try to look for a model with a repair manual next time. |
| 16:57.56 | art3mis | i wouldnt get yer hopes up but definitly take for an extended test drive |
| 16:58.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I can see the wisdom, most sincerely. |
| 16:59.48 | Lopeppeppy | My cat is not happy with the new washing machine. *chuckle* She's doing that manic-cat thing of prancing up to it, hissing, and running away at top speed to hide. |
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| 17:19.34 | art3mis | so for all you admin and consultant types |
| 17:19.40 | art3mis | NetManager is a rad program |
| 17:19.48 | Lopeppeppy | What's she do? |
| 17:20.43 | art3mis | works lan/wan and allows for instant info, software rollouts/updates, win2k3serv style security updates, hardware inventory, behind the scenes program moderation, remote desktop(push client) |
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| 17:21.04 | art3mis | all in a pertty little winders interface |
| 17:21.15 | art3mis | AND it supposeds all OS's with thier OS plugins |
| 17:21.20 | art3mis | err supports |
| 17:21.37 | art3mis | been playing with a borrowed copy this week |
| 17:21.45 | art3mis | looking to replace my nework streaming appliance |
| 17:22.07 | art3mis | since that thing is only 10 clients and windows based installer |
| 17:23.41 | art3mis | http://www.netsupportmanager.com/ |
| 17:24.45 | art3mis | not sure on the pricing but it's durn spiffy for what it can do |
| 17:24.56 | art3mis | specially the centralized gateway for remote clients |
| 17:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | A little more than what I'm looking for, which is to get myself into the IT Help Desk ticketing system. |
| 17:25.31 | art3mis | yeah that works nice too |
| 17:25.41 | Lopeppeppy | Must prove to boss that I actually do things, y'know? |
| 17:25.56 | art3mis | im more concerned with my clients anyways for remote access without them needing to do anything |
| 17:27.22 | art3mis | mostly because i do things at night |
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| 17:31.40 | Iriel | they mostly come at night, mostly |
| 17:31.45 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 17:32.00 | cog|work | hai cncfanatics |
| 17:32.21 | cncfanatics | why are there morons in life ? |
| 17:32.39 | cncfanatics | so irritating |
| 17:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | Because the sun rises, cncfanatics. Sorry. *hug* |
| 17:33.13 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 17:33.27 | cncfanatics | some idiot guy comes to me while at a bar "why are you looking at my friend why you wanne fight ?" |
| 17:33.30 | cncfanatics | SO irritating |
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| 17:36.09 | Lopeppeppy | "What makes you think I was looking at your friend? I was watching the reflection of that hot blonde over there.... " |
| 17:36.39 | Iriel | Maybe the guy's friend WAS the hot blonde over there... ? |
| 17:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Could also be. *winks* |
| 17:36.55 | Iriel | I've always felt that "why are you looking at..." line is retarded |
| 17:37.15 | End-class | "what are you looking at?" "your face!" |
| 17:37.20 | Lopeppeppy | It's egotistical too, assuming you know what they're looking at, and assuming it's YOU. |
| 17:37.34 | End | actually, better yet :P |
| 17:37.38 | End | "what are you looking at?" "your mom!" |
| 17:37.49 | cncfanatics | End: I didn't feel like picking a fight actualy |
| 17:37.53 | End | unfortunately, I don't have the balls to say that :P |
| 17:37.54 | cncfanatics | even though they spilled one of my beers :( |
| 17:38.06 | cncfanatics | I would have if I was pissed :p fortunatly, I wasn't |
| 17:38.07 | Valaron|Work | Blasphemous. |
| 17:38.11 | art3mis | iriel: yeah damn those pesky ice weasels |
| 17:38.13 | End | hehe |
| 17:38.47 | [dRaCo] | What does ! do in a macro? |
| 17:38.53 | art3mis | "what are you looking at?!" "i dunno yet, i'll get back to you when ive figured it out" |
| 17:38.59 | [dRaCo] | There was something in the patch notes, but I cant remember :( |
| 17:39.06 | End | something to do with toggles |
| 17:39.11 | Lukian | read the patch notes @ [dRaCo] :P (always on, do not toggle) |
| 17:39.18 | [dRaCo] | thanks |
| 17:39.29 | [dRaCo] | and yeah, but I'm lazy :/ |
| 17:39.55 | End | yeah, well, we won't do your work for you ;-P |
| 17:40.05 | End | unless we get paid, or it's interesting :P |
| 17:40.12 | End | or we know the answer already |
| 17:40.14 | [dRaCo] | what's the sense in "/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, !Auto Shot" then? |
| 17:40.18 | art3mis | patch notes that dont have Priest: in front of them dont concern me ;P |
| 17:40.29 | Iriel | It means 'dont turn auto shot off if it's already started' |
| 17:40.33 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 17:40.40 | [dRaCo] | but why would anybody macro that? o0 |
| 17:40.41 | Cairenn|afk | (4:30:35 AM) dolby-wowi: wow freaky... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ |
| 17:40.41 | Cairenn|afk | (4:31:00 AM) dolby-wowi: guess they have shut down all scientology websites and call centers |
| 17:40.41 | Cairenn|afk | (4:32:39 AM) dolby-wowi: nbc even did a story on it |
| 17:40.41 | Cairenn|afk | (4:32:40 AM) dolby-wowi: http://video.nbc11.com/player/?id=209221 |
| 17:40.41 | Cairenn|afk | (4:33:25 AM) cladhaire: wow |
| 17:40.42 | Cairenn|afk | (4:38:09 AM) dolby-wowi: i gotta say that first video i linked... very well written. |
| 17:40.44 | Cairenn|afk | (4:38:44 AM) dolby-wowi: although kinda a scary in a way... dont wana piss off that group |
| 17:40.46 | Cairenn|afk | (4:42:49 AM) cladhaire: yeah |
| 17:40.48 | Cairenn|afk | (4:43:07 AM) cladhaire: they've become pretty well known over the their last few attacks |
| 17:40.51 | Lukian | [dRaCo], so the autoshot completes |
| 17:40.52 | Cairenn|afk | wow |
| 17:40.57 | Lukian | before firing the steadyshot. |
| 17:40.59 | art3mis | [dRaCo]: because it used to be exploitable to get off double hutner shots |
| 17:41.03 | End | Cairenn|afk: gg spam? ;-P |
| 17:41.13 | Cairenn|afk | watch the videos |
| 17:41.14 | [dRaCo] | art3mis: not anymore? |
| 17:41.27 | [dRaCo] | End: yeah, and you knew the answer ;) |
| 17:41.32 | Lukian | lol Adys |
| 17:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet hacking jeebus. *nods* |
| 17:42.22 | art3mis | 4chan started a war on em too |
| 17:42.33 | Lopeppeppy | I just love me a jihad in the morning? |
| 17:42.36 | End | Cairenn|afk: all hail xenu? |
| 17:44.02 | art3mis | "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." - L. Ron Hubbard\ |
| 17:44.04 | art3mis | heh |
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| 17:44.36 | cog|work | any cliff's notes for people who can't listen? |
| 17:44.37 | malreth | they make it so arbitrarily difficult to set up a frikkin dhcp server here |
| 17:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwork.... "Do onto others with lanolin and ego." |
| 17:46.11 | art3mis | cog|work: we are legion, you shall be destroyed. |
| 17:49.00 | art3mis | The world’s largest softwaremaker reported a 79 percent jump in net income, to $4.71 billion, or 50 cents a share, from $2.63 billion, or 26 cents a share, a year earlier. The most recent result surpassed estimates by 4 cents a share. Sales climbed 30 percent, to $16.4 billion. |
| 17:51.41 | End | so, taking in screenshots on WoW in OS X don't occur until sometime -after- the SCREENSHOT_SUCCEEDED event it appears |
| 17:52.05 | cog|work | douche --> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4187420442 |
| 17:52.20 | kergoth | End: .. that makes a lot of sense.. |
| 17:52.26 | kergoth | ~lart blizzard |
| 17:52.26 | purl | turns blizzard into a lifesized tux doll |
| 17:53.18 | End | well, it's hard to tell exactly, but it isn't ready initially to take a new screenshot at least |
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| 17:53.28 | Kaso | thats nice, the tech-tree card included in my supreme commander game is all in french |
| 17:54.05 | cog|work | hai kamdis! |
| 17:54.11 | art3mis | http://www.lilmynx.com/?gclid=CPuS7OD5kZECFQQjPAodKCyKPA |
| 17:55.25 | malreth | End: what are you doing? |
| 17:57.31 | kamdis | I really need to learn not to click on art3mis' links at work |
| 17:57.47 | cog|work | ~lart3mis |
| 17:57.48 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 17:58.09 | End | malreth: taking screenshots while rotating the camera |
| 17:58.10 | kamdis | I really need to learn not to click your links at work, art3mis. :-P |
| 17:58.21 | malreth | I made an addon thaht did that |
| 17:58.30 | kamdis | dude, lag. sorry. |
| 17:58.31 | malreth | i learned you have to put a 1 sec delay anyways |
| 17:58.37 | kamdis | not meaning to belabor that :P |
| 17:58.41 | End | not under windows! :o |
| 17:58.49 | End | the OS X port is doing something weird |
| 17:58.56 | Industrial | is +damage shown in affected spell tooltips? |
| 17:59.03 | malreth | since the screenshot filenames contain the date and time |
| 17:59.04 | End | fortunately it's easy to detect what OS I'm running under |
| 17:59.11 | End | hmm |
| 17:59.16 | End | that hadn't occured to me... |
| 17:59.21 | malreth | so if you take two screenshots within the same second, the first one gets overwritten |
| 17:59.28 | malreth | same on both mac and windows |
| 17:59.40 | End | maybe my windows machines take slow screenshots |
| 17:59.43 | Industrial | or should I take (min+max)/2+damage for every spell? |
| 17:59.54 | End | but I've -never- seen that happen either |
| 18:00.07 | art3mis | kamdis: its the internet you cant help yourself ;) |
| 18:00.30 | art3mis | besidse you know you want one ;P |
| 18:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | I really, really, truly hate having to RE-DO the work of this complete and total jackass coworker. |
| 18:01.27 | art3mis | Lopeppeppy: thats what embedded comment lines are for ;P |
| 18:01.39 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: remember to remove it before hopping on your next flight |
| 18:02.23 | Lopeppeppy | Work laptop, wouldn't go on an airplane with me. His head in a bag might though. |
| 18:03.13 | malreth | make sure it contains less than 3 oz of blood and is in a quart sized ziploc bag |
| 18:03.33 | malreth | i recommend drying the head to get it to shrink and fit |
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| 18:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | Makes sense. And my dryer works just fine, so..... |
| 18:05.42 | Lopeppeppy | I've been cleaning up after this guy for 6 months now, he thinks he's a web designer and he's not. He's a tech writer with ambition but not a friggin' clue how to present information on a web page. |
| 18:07.45 | malreth | http://torrentfreak.com/virus-creator-threatened-080124/ |
| 18:07.56 | malreth | choice quote: "It isn’t illegal to write viruses in Japan, so the author of the Trojan horse has been arrested for breaching copyright because he used cartoon graphics without permission in his malware." |
| 18:08.45 | malreth | good news: you can write viruses in Japan. bad news: you can apparently be *ARRESTED* for breaching copyright law |
| 18:09.04 | End | it's probably not illegal to -write- them in most places, just illegal to use them anywhere :P |
| 18:09.59 | Valaron|Work | Virii? You should see some of my users writing their fork() programs on my Unix boxes. |
| 18:10.06 | Antiarc | Hahah |
| 18:10.21 | Iriel | ulimit is your friend? |
| 18:10.22 | End | while(1) fork(); |
| 18:10.35 | Valaron|Work | Yeah, that's set up, Iriel |
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| 18:13.16 | malreth | sick: http://www.sunjournal.com/story/248787-3/LewistonAuburn/Mysterious_doughy_blob_clogs_sewer/ |
| 18:14.53 | kamdis | creep and wrong, malreth |
| 18:14.59 | kamdis | *creepy |
| 18:15.00 | End | oh god |
| 18:15.08 | End | I'm running too many things |
| 18:15.58 | Lopeppeppy | Hilarious, malreth! |
| 18:18.14 | malreth | so i got the litter robot yesterday |
| 18:18.29 | ralfWORK | sigh |
| 18:18.36 | malreth | my fiancee called me to say that a box as big as her was delivered by the UPS |
| 18:18.39 | ralfWORK | reading up on looting systems |
| 18:18.45 | ralfWORK | pain in the ass |
| 18:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | Was she expecting such a large toy, malreth? |
| 18:18.59 | malreth | yes |
| 18:19.36 | malreth | our cat was immediately interested in it as soon as we had it set up. typical cat behavior. |
| 18:19.44 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 18:19.49 | art3mis | hahah playing with bottom scanner is super fun! |
| 18:19.58 | malreth | and he's never had a problem with his litter box being replaced or moved or anything |
| 18:20.01 | art3mis | someone just called me a monster for stealing all his silk cloth ;P |
| 18:20.13 | malreth | sure enough, he went and pooped in it right away |
| 18:20.14 | art3mis | so i mailed em to him cuz it's silly to grab hat stuff |
| 18:20.40 | malreth | so there's my glowing review for the litter robot. it works. |
| 18:20.43 | ralfWORK | art3mis: lol |
| 18:20.53 | ralfWORK | malreth: good to know! does poop get on the walls? :P |
| 18:21.12 | malreth | the cat loves to watch it do the spin thing that it does. the dog is frightened of it.. but then again, tile floors cause him anxiety. |
| 18:21.15 | art3mis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.32 | ralfWORK | art3mis: rofl |
| 18:21.40 | Iriel | malreth: The other one (littermaid I think) works too |
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| 18:21.52 | Iriel | mareth: unless your cat has a kidney problem and pees ALL THE TIME |
| 18:22.00 | malreth | Cairenn has that one, i think |
| 18:22.01 | Iriel | malreth: then it stops working |
| 18:22.20 | Iriel | But, to give you an idea of how good it is when it DOES work, I bought THREE before I gave up until this cat dies |
| 18:22.39 | Lopeppeppy | I just have a litter box... is my kitty underprivileged? |
| 18:22.41 | malreth | wait, no... she doesn't have the litter maid |
| 18:22.51 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: you're ghetto |
| 18:23.02 | Cairenn | I don't actually have an automatic litter box |
| 18:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, your kitties have some bladder issues, right? I can see why you wouldn't want one, so you could monitor them better. |
| 18:23.29 | Cairenn | I have 2 regular boxes |
| 18:23.47 | Lopeppeppy | ralfWORK -- link me these toys you think my kitty must have. I'm a psycho mommy, I'd consider them all! |
| 18:23.52 | Cairenn | something like that, yeah |
| 18:23.54 | malreth | then who has the self cleaning box that hooks up to water and a drainpipe? |
| 18:24.06 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: rofl malreth can link it |
| 18:24.10 | ralfWORK | I'm ghetto too |
| 18:24.13 | Iriel | http://www.litter-robot.com/litter-robot-demonstration.aspx |
| 18:24.15 | ralfWORK | well I'm high-class ghetto |
| 18:24.17 | Cairenn | I want to get the catgenie |
| 18:24.29 | ralfWORK | 2 litter boxes with hoods |
| 18:24.31 | malreth | that's it.. the catgenie... |
| 18:24.32 | Cairenn | http://www.catgenie.com/ |
| 18:24.37 | ralfWORK | (the hoods add class) |
| 18:24.38 | Cairenn | but can't stand the price tag |
| 18:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | How noisy is the robot though/ |
| 18:26.18 | malreth | never having to scoop cat litter > the price tag |
| 18:26.29 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: it is rather noisy |
| 18:26.32 | ralfWORK | anyone have thoughts on looting sytems for Gruul/Mag? |
| 18:26.37 | malreth | i can hear it in the bedroom when it runs |
| 18:26.44 | malreth | but it's not too bad |
| 18:27.09 | malreth | i'll take a minute of motor grind noise over the smell of cat urine |
| 18:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | ralfWORK, we use a zero-sum DKP system, straight point value, no bidding, no loot council. |
| 18:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | There is NO loot system that's good. Just pick the one that fits the culture/needs of your group and go with it. |
| 18:27.30 | ralfWORK | I like to keep things as simple as possible, but the "fairest" systems are the most complicated |
| 18:27.34 | malreth | ralfWORK: we do the same as Lopeppeppy |
| 18:28.12 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: straight point value... meaning if the item costs 100dkp, you pay 100dkp... if more than 1 person wants it you flat /roll? |
| 18:28.21 | Iriel | We use group loot and then the 2 of us who know what we're doing yell at everyone else when BOP items show up to leave them the hell alone. |
| 18:28.26 | Lopeppeppy | If more than one person wants it, whoever has the higher DKP gets it. |
| 18:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | I have 5. Tommy has 3. I win. |
| 18:28.36 | Iriel | But I dont do big raid instances 8-) |
| 18:28.38 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: gotcha k |
| 18:28.50 | ralfWORK | Iriel: that's kinda what we do now, but just at the end of Kara |
| 18:28.56 | ralfWORK | kept it simple there |
| 18:29.09 | ralfWORK | I just realize it's not gonna work for future stuff |
| 18:29.11 | malreth | if more than one person happens to have the same dkp (unlikely after you've been raiding for a while) then there is a roll off |
| 18:29.53 | ralfWORK | Iriel: actually, I say "grab your badges and step away from the !@#$ body" |
| 18:30.14 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: we raid 3 nights a week... 3 hours a night. Not very hardcore |
| 18:31.15 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: what about people not showing up for learning new bosses? |
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| 18:31.46 | Lopeppeppy | They don't earn DKPs if they aren't there. So they wind up losing out on gear to the loyal people who DO attend and get DKP to spend. Self-selecting process. |
| 18:32.13 | Lopeppeppy | And if I get a deadbeat paladin who won't go learn new fights, I just don't roster them for the old fights either. Teamwork, ya. |
| 18:32.19 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: no I understand that, traditional zero sum grants DKP to raid members per drop, correct? |
| 18:32.35 | art3mis | ive always liked the "link me what you've got, whoever benefits most gets it if you attended the last 2 raids(with rollover so it's ALWAYS 2) you ank higher than a person with 1 run or a newbie and thus win it |
| 18:32.37 | malreth | ralfWORK: that is correct |
| 18:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, correct ralfWORK. |
| 18:32.49 | ralfWORK | malreth: so then, if you spend a night wiping on the new raid boss |
| 18:32.52 | Industrial | how the fook does a turtle |
| 18:32.53 | ralfWORK | that's zero DKP awarded |
| 18:32.56 | Industrial | in the shimmering flats |
| 18:32.59 | malreth | ralfWORK: that's correct |
| 18:33.00 | Industrial | drop a catfish |
| 18:33.02 | Industrial | ??? |
| 18:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | That's why you try not to set up those nights, ralfWORK. |
| 18:33.10 | ralfWORK | Industrial: it was hungry. leave the turtle alone |
| 18:33.13 | art3mis | Industrial: thers a little pool of water in the crash site |
| 18:33.15 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: ahhhh |
| 18:33.32 | Beladona | we use epgp, and award points for showing up |
| 18:33.34 | art3mis | and by the house on the south side |
| 18:33.38 | Beladona | in addition to boss kills |
| 18:33.44 | art3mis | it didnt say the catfish wasnt half digested |
| 18:33.44 | Lopeppeppy | There's some scheduling delicacy to consider. We do a hot and hard night clearing MOST of SSC. But we save at least ONE boss for pre-Vashj, so that members are getting some reward for their evening. |
| 18:33.47 | Iriel | Maybe the turtle bought it from someone in gadget too, did you consider that/ |
| 18:33.50 | Beladona | and use decay |
| 18:33.53 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: but for us, gruul/mag... probably not a way to do that :P |
| 18:34.15 | Lopeppeppy | Then add to your DKP system what Beladona said. A few points for attending and showing good faith. |
| 18:34.18 | Beladona | its nice because our current system is set up so there is no way possible anyone could ever get more than 6000 ep |
| 18:34.21 | Lopeppeppy | It's YOUR system, don't be afraid to customize. |
| 18:34.44 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: unless we don't use different DKP pools for each raid... gruul is gonna be a wipefest for a bit :) |
| 18:34.48 | Beladona | if you reach 6000, the decay is as much or more than a typical raid night |
| 18:35.07 | Beladona | no one hordes that way |
| 18:35.21 | ralfWORK | Beladona: decay same thing as tax? |
| 18:35.25 | malreth | fundamentally, i don't like Loot Reward systems that get shoehorned into Participation Reward systems |
| 18:35.38 | ralfWORK | malreth: hmm... ok |
| 18:35.40 | malreth | the two should be kept separate |
| 18:35.40 | Beladona | dunno, we just decay the points by a percentage each raid |
| 18:35.46 | kamdis | you have to be careful with zero sum though. inflation from running old content can ruin it. |
| 18:35.48 | Beladona | both ep and gp |
| 18:35.49 | ralfWORK | Beladona: ok, then yea same thing |
| 18:35.53 | Beladona | it stabilizes the ratings |
| 18:35.56 | kamdis | I like Suicide Kings, personally. |
| 18:35.56 | Beladona | and prevents hording |
| 18:36.07 | malreth | kamdis: we solve that by having a separate database for each instance |
| 18:36.13 | kamdis | that works |
| 18:36.16 | ralfWORK | well, if you do bonus DKP and a zero sum system... |
| 18:36.18 | Beladona | suicide kings doesn't award people who put forth more effort |
| 18:36.22 | ralfWORK | then it defeats the purpose |
| 18:36.42 | ralfWORK | yea, and suicide kings can encourage hording |
| 18:36.50 | ralfWORK | staying at the top until that 1 piece of loot drops |
| 18:36.50 | Lukian | ralfWORK, unless you tax the bonus dkp from the non-attendees :p |
| 18:37.02 | Beladona | I am at 100% of our raids, I don't want to feel like timmy who goes to 10% of the raids has an equal chance at my t5 helm |
| 18:37.03 | malreth | we use a sliding slack list for raid rostering and that serves as our participation reward system |
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| 18:37.18 | malreth | if you don't participate, you lose your place on the list and you don't get rostered |
| 18:37.27 | Lunessa | Pabst Blue Ribbon |
| 18:37.32 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 18:37.34 | malreth | when you start signing back up, you start at the bottom and have to work your way back up the list |
| 18:37.37 | ralfWORK | I could create a PBR system |
| 18:37.48 | End | hrmph |
| 18:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | We do mostly the same thing, malreth, with the opposite focus. If you haven't been able to attend lately, I would sign you up first because I miss you. |
| 18:37.52 | Gngsk | malreth, how far in progression are you? |
| 18:37.58 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, what happened to the Blue Moon? |
| 18:38.08 | End | I was taking screenshots faster than 1 per second, but not hitting this issue under windows |
| 18:38.10 | malreth | Gngsk: i don't raid. i'm making all this shit up. |
| 18:38.12 | ralfWORK | Beladona: I agree with that btw |
| 18:38.12 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 18:38.13 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 18:38.20 | End | I should check to see what the filenames were |
| 18:38.21 | Gngsk | O_O |
| 18:38.23 | malreth | Gngsk: i kid! |
| 18:38.26 | Beladona | you have to make sure people who can't be there all the time learn the fights too though |
| 18:38.28 | End | but I'll have to do this later after class |
| 18:38.33 | malreth | Gngsk: we're on TK right now |
| 18:38.36 | Beladona | especially when you start doing things like Kael and Vashj |
| 18:38.40 | kamdis | SK doesn't encourage hoarding any more than zero sum, imo. But maybe it's just the group I play with. |
| 18:38.41 | Lunessa | I just felt like quoting a Dennis Hopper line as a random bit of my purely bat-shit, bug-fuck crazy life. |
| 18:38.43 | Beladona | no room for errors |
| 18:38.58 | malreth | Gngsk: we're an alliance of small guilds that raid together so we progress rather slowly |
| 18:39.05 | ralfWORK | kamdis: I'm removing specific personalities from the equasion. just looking at system |
| 18:39.17 | Lunessa | malreth: And yet, you're still ahead of me. |
| 18:39.33 | ralfWORK | malreth: and me : |
| 18:39.34 | ralfWORK | :) |
| 18:39.38 | malreth | Lunessa: yeah, but we wipe consistently on Al'ar |
| 18:39.42 | Beladona | there are lots of things you could do |
| 18:39.42 | kamdis | Well, only speaking from my own experience (zero sum pre-BC and SK post-BC) I've found SK more equitable. |
| 18:39.49 | Beladona | like award more points for learning nights |
| 18:39.51 | malreth | we get him under 20% tho |
| 18:39.56 | Beladona | to promote people showing up |
| 18:40.09 | ralfWORK | Beladona: ya, thinking about that, that just breaks the zero sum bit |
| 18:40.09 | Lunessa | We're not using a DKP system. I had enough of that shit in EQ. |
| 18:40.22 | Beladona | I never liked zero sum |
| 18:40.25 | kamdis | what do you do then, straight roll? |
| 18:40.31 | Beladona | we tried it in an old guild and ran into problems |
| 18:40.36 | ralfWORK | Beladona: ok... what happened? |
| 18:40.56 | Lunessa | We straight roll. And we don't recruit asshats, so we've only ever had one loot problem. |
| 18:41.03 | ralfWORK | ah ok |
| 18:41.07 | Beladona | youa re using straight zero-sum right? |
| 18:41.07 | kamdis | excellent method. ;-) |
| 18:41.24 | malreth | http://www.silverhandraiders.com/ |
| 18:41.37 | ralfWORK | Beladona: me? I'm looking at options as we move past kara. not using anything but a glorified /roll now. |
| 18:41.40 | malreth | Lunessa: that's what my guild does for Kara |
| 18:41.44 | Lunessa | If I can't trust you about loot, and you can't trust me about loot then you don't want to raid with us. |
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| 18:42.24 | |Jelly| | I PUG'd Kara last night on my hunter with straight group loot with no problems. I was amazed. |
| 18:42.40 | ralfWORK | |Jelly|: with a pug, that's pretty impressive |
| 18:42.58 | |Jelly| | We pug killed everything but nightbane (which we didn't try) too. I was super impressed. |
| 18:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of people are coming to see Kara as UBRS in the old days.... |
| 18:43.15 | Lunessa | Our pretty laid back approach to loot has garnered us some really good and powerfully loyal people. |
| 18:43.16 | ralfWORK | oh, I've heard of pugs clearing kara before |
| 18:43.21 | Gngsk | been around almost a year, it should be seen that way |
| 18:43.24 | ralfWORK | I'm just surprised you had no looting issue :D |
| 18:43.24 | Lunessa | I see Kara as UBRS+ |
| 18:43.25 | Josh_Borke | as people gain more heroic gear it should be |
| 18:43.42 | Beladona | The problem with Zero-sum is that it awards people unevenly in my opinion. You are getting points because someone else spent them. I can show up to one raid night and get a bunch of points because 4 other people won items. |
| 18:43.47 | |Jelly| | Come to my server. There's a reason I've only done say ... 7 heroics on Jelly. |
| 18:43.49 | ralfWORK | yea, sad thing is, slot for slot, I believe badge gear > kara gear for me |
| 18:43.58 | Beladona | the only way to fix that is to apply decay, and other things into the mix |
| 18:44.09 | Beladona | which pretty much kills teh zero-sum framework anyway |
| 18:44.22 | ralfWORK | Beladona: even when that amount is like... 1/25th the items value? |
| 18:44.26 | malreth | Beladona: that's because a loot reward system is simply just about loot |
| 18:44.31 | Thunder_Child | taken from #wowhead (i got pinged on it) http://wowi.pastey.net/81257 |
| 18:44.33 | Beladona | not for me |
| 18:44.36 | Thunder_Child | really funny |
| 18:44.39 | Beladona | its about reward |
| 18:45.09 | Beladona | zero-sum works if you are only concerned about even distribution of loot |
| 18:45.21 | |Jelly| | My current guild does a DKP silent auction gay ass way of sorting loot. I hate it. |
| 18:45.24 | Beladona | but it doesn't help the participation issue |
| 18:45.24 | Gngsk | Beladona, that's only an issue in the short run. In the long run one right night where a lot of people got loot won't make that much of a difference for a non-core raider. |
| 18:45.42 | Antiarc | We do an anonymous auction |
| 18:45.46 | ralfWORK | Beladona: maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but you'd get 1/25th DKP for "losing" loot |
| 18:45.54 | Lukian | Silent Auction is horrid |
| 18:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | true, ralfWORK |
| 18:45.58 | Antiarc | Which is different from silent auction in that the high bid is announced, with the class of the high bidder |
| 18:46.02 | Beladona | not saying it doesn't work for some people, but I wanted too much out of my dkp system, which is why we didn't end up using zero-sum |
| 18:46.11 | ralfWORK | Beladona: I guess I don't see where the abuse comes in to play, from that aspect |
| 18:46.25 | Lunessa | See, This is one of the reasons I don't do DKP - I have enough goddamned work to do running the guild, organizing raids, soothing over other problems.... Give me some fucking time to actually /play/. |
| 18:46.27 | Beladona | tell me how you think zero-sum works |
| 18:46.31 | malreth | like i said... we solved that problem by splitting out participation reward into a separate system altogether |
| 18:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | ralfWORK, any asshat can exploit any loot system to their advantage. |
| 18:46.45 | Gngsk | Lunessa, have a dkp officer? :P |
| 18:46.50 | |Jelly| | Peppy: <3 |
| 18:46.51 | Antiarc | We have a pretty slick DKP management system |
| 18:47.01 | Lunessa | Our charter specifically says there will never be a DKP system |
| 18:47.08 | Antiarc | But I custom wrote it for our DKP system, with a supporting addon. |
| 18:47.32 | Beladona | Lunessa: lofty goals that work well when everyone in your guild are cool about it and don't get upset about loot |
| 18:47.44 | malreth | and since we needed a fair raid rostering system that worked across several guilds, it seemed natural to solve both problems with one system |
| 18:47.57 | Lunessa | And I am only too happy to remove "uncool people who get upset about loot." |
| 18:48.32 | malreth | if you don't participate, you get a slight negative bump to your ability to get rostered. if you're not rostered, you're not getting points and you're not getting loot. |
| 18:48.46 | Beladona | It takes a lot of management to continually recruit because you have to find only he people who are going to be professional in a raid and looting |
| 18:49.00 | Lunessa | If I were part of a raiding alliance, or running with people I didn't know well or didn't have trust in, then sure, a loot distribution system would be in order. |
| 18:49.03 | ralfWORK | yea, I'm not really all about the "just recruit good people" approach |
| 18:49.12 | cladhaire | praid updated on svn trunk, if anyone wants to beta test for me. |
| 18:49.25 | Beladona | ultimately you will always find someone who does a great job healing, but bitches about loot a little |
| 18:49.45 | malreth | ralfWORK: i highly recommend a sort of solid recruiting or vetting procedure. you end up with much less drama. |
| 18:50.03 | Lunessa | ... I'm the one doing the "great job healing" .. I just bitch about doing /that/ and not loot. |
| 18:50.05 | Beladona | for us, dkp meant they knew how it works from the start, and you can't argue your way through it |
| 18:50.08 | Beladona | the numbers are public |
| 18:50.24 | ralfWORK | malreth: I'm not saying recruit anyone. I'm just saying that you put 25 people in a room together, someoene's bad side will inevitably come out |
| 18:50.38 | Beladona | yup |
| 18:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Sucks ot be a group officer when the asshats show up. |
| 18:50.48 | ralfWORK | people act like assholes because they are people |
| 18:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | But you recruited 'em, you deal with 'em. |
| 18:50.53 | ralfWORK | look at any company you've worked at |
| 18:51.06 | Beladona | I like asshats. They don't talk to me when I am done |
| 18:51.06 | malreth | ralfWORK: yep... we hold the guild accountable if one of those types shows up at an SHRa raid |
| 18:51.13 | ralfWORK | I can almost promise there's an asshat sitting next to you right now |
| 18:51.17 | Lunessa | I cut my MMO teeth in EQ where DKP got its name. And all I can say is nothing like showing up for weeks and weeks and weeks for a shot at one of two dragons only to get told I was never going to get any loot since 200+ other people were ahead of me. |
| 18:51.21 | malreth | ralfWORK: and the responsible guild takes care of the problem |
| 18:51.23 | ralfWORK | (I know I am) |
| 18:51.45 | Beladona | that doesn't happen in our system |
| 18:51.47 | Beladona | ever |
| 18:52.20 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I can see their point though. |
| 18:52.26 | |Jelly| | As much as I /hate/ to say it. |
| 18:52.32 | malreth | Lunessa: the advantage of a zero-sum dkp system is if you are new to the system and start raiding, you're actually in line to receive loot before anyone else. |
| 18:52.33 | Lunessa | But it happens often enough, or the system gets gamed often enough that I'd rather handle my problems at the recrutiment phase. |
| 18:52.50 | malreth | Lunessa: this helps gear up the newest members and gets them up to speed quickly |
| 18:52.56 | malreth | as a result, the entire raid benefits |
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| 18:53.09 | ralfWORK | Beladona: recap your system again? |
| 18:53.14 | Beladona | I can sit out of looting for 2 weeks and my back in line for my class priority |
| 18:53.17 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. If I were able to choose, I'd go back to Lunessa's system in a heartbeat. |
| 18:53.23 | Beladona | mind you, if I actually go to raids |
| 18:53.46 | Beladona | ralfWORK: http://code.google.com/p/epgp/ |
| 18:53.50 | ralfWORK | k |
| 18:54.03 | Beladona | basically you get points for effort (basically dkp) |
| 18:54.18 | Beladona | and when you loot something, you get the points of that item assigned as gp |
| 18:54.39 | Beladona | divide those two to get priority |
| 18:54.43 | Beladona | higher priority wins an item |
| 18:54.48 | Lunessa | malreth: Sure. it hasn't really been a problem for us. But then, I'm gearing a small guild ( 100ish members) and only three small raid teams (10+) so it's not often a problem. |
| 18:54.58 | Beladona | gp effects your priority more than ep |
| 18:55.11 | Beladona | we apply decay to both ep and gp after every raid |
| 18:55.15 | Beladona | based on a percent |
| 18:55.16 | ralfWORK | ep = effort point, gp = gear point? |
| 18:55.27 | Beladona | so if you sit out of looting, your gp will go down, meaning your priority will go up |
| 18:55.28 | malreth | Lunessa: true. i would only suggest DKP systems for sufficiently large groups of raiders |
| 18:55.34 | Beladona | yes |
| 18:55.40 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: yea, our 10 man stuff is easy peasy |
| 18:55.52 | Beladona | now if you dont go to a raid at all |
| 18:55.54 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: I just know that when we start 25 man crap, it's gonna be chaos |
| 18:55.59 | Beladona | your ep and gp both decay |
| 18:56.05 | Beladona | but your priority doesn't change |
| 18:56.11 | ralfWORK | Beladona: hmm... k |
| 18:56.20 | Beladona | other people who DID go to teh raid |
| 18:56.23 | ralfWORK | what is yoru decay? a percent? |
| 18:56.25 | Beladona | will go up in priority |
| 18:56.27 | malreth | like i said, for our Kara guild runs (not done through SHRa), we just do normal group loot |
| 18:56.35 | Beladona | the change is minor though, usually fractions of a point |
| 18:56.44 | Beladona | depending on how much you raid |
| 18:56.55 | Beladona | yes our decay is a percent |
| 18:57.17 | Beladona | the thing about a percent decay is, you can set your max dkp based on the decay |
| 18:57.17 | malreth | and we have a rigorous guild application process that keeps unwanted people out |
| 18:57.27 | malreth | meeting time! |
| 18:57.35 | Lunessa | We're already doing 25-man stuff at Gruul's and our philosophies of "Don't be a jerk" and "Loot will drop again" seems to be holding true for us there too. I won't say doing it this way works for all situations, but it's working for /us/. |
| 18:57.43 | Beladona | if they ever reach the max dkp, the decay will eat so much of their ep that it will basically negate a whole raid |
| 18:57.57 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: congrats on not having asshats it the guild |
| 18:58.01 | Beladona | which means you should probably spend some points |
| 18:58.25 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: The biggest thing I miss from EQ (now that I'm back playing a hunter) is the tracking system. lol |
| 18:58.27 | Lunessa | ralfWORK: It's cause I kick them pretty early on. Therefore the only asshat in the guild is me. |
| 18:58.29 | Beladona | it worked for us when we got up to Gruul also |
| 18:58.36 | Beladona | past Gruul though thigns get tougher |
| 18:58.49 | Beladona | item quality gets MUCH better, and you are doing more bosses in a given night, with people tired |
| 18:58.55 | Beladona | which = people getting cranky |
| 18:59.09 | Lunessa | Yes. That's true. |
| 18:59.32 | Beladona | we are currently on Vashj as of Sunday |
| 18:59.35 | Beladona | finally |
| 18:59.46 | Lopeppeppy | Patience and friendship... god I wish everything were that easy! |
| 19:00.07 | Beladona | we clear all of SSC up to Vashj in a single night, from 9pm EST to 1am EST |
| 19:00.14 | Beladona | so it gets late |
| 19:01.43 | Beladona | ralfWORK: if you want my guild's actual epgp system I can compile it for you. We have a lot of "little details" like how much you get for being on the waitlist and outside the raid instance, as well as bonus points for new boss kills, and half points for new recruits |
| 19:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | http://hotts.guildportal.com/ -- read the DKP Info from the left box, and from the tab across the center. That's most of ours. |
| 19:04.14 | Lunessa | http://www.theroundtableguild.com/CodeofConduct/tabid/2038/Default.aspx - ours is a seciton of our Code of Conduct |
| 19:05.52 | Lunessa | I was part of a group that simply awarded you a 1 point for being there at raid start and 1 point for finishing out the night. And you spent all your points to get something. It didn't suck much. |
| 19:05.56 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: like... the guild round table from the guild relations forum? |
| 19:06.25 | Lunessa | No, they started that after we were already named. I inherrited this guild. |
| 19:06.30 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: oh ok |
| 19:06.49 | ralfWORK | Beladona: hmm ok. I may do that |
| 19:06.58 | ralfWORK | how do you guys place values on loot? |
| 19:07.07 | ralfWORK | do you do something simple like ilevel*2? |
| 19:07.15 | ralfWORK | or is it a hand-picked value? |
| 19:10.33 | Beladona | http://legacy.guildomatic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=219 |
| 19:10.47 | Beladona | I think that is visible |
| 19:11.15 | ralfWORK | Beladona: ya, it is, ok cool |
| 19:11.48 | Beladona | They use a mod that tells them the point value, but I can't remember which it was |
| 19:11.52 | Beladona | I can ask our dkp officer |
| 19:12.05 | ralfWORK | no biggie... still just gathering information |
| 19:12.22 | ralfWORK | adjusting values of items seems like a major dickpain aspect of DKP-related systems |
| 19:13.17 | Lopeppeppy | ralfWORK -- our values were based on some archaic formula the original coleaders created. I know nothing of their math, sadly, but I do know that as we've progressed higher, the point values get correspondingly bigger. We're considering a reset to zero for BT/Hyjal. |
| 19:13.42 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: hmm ok, so maybe it's ilevel based |
| 19:14.03 | ralfWORK | seems reasonable to do it as such, but I bet there are stupid exceptions to it as well |
| 19:14.11 | Lopeppeppy | No clue. Gel did all that, bless his little Californian heart. RIP or whatever applies.... |
| 19:14.25 | Beladona | I think ours is based on iLevel within certain item types |
| 19:14.59 | ralfWORK | Beladona: like an additional modifier for weapons or something? |
| 19:15.22 | ralfWORK | gear might be iLevel where weaps could be iLevel*1.25 or something? |
| 19:16.12 | Beladona | something like that, I don't know the calculations. I just know they have a mod that attaches the value to the tooltip |
| 19:16.20 | ralfWORK | ya, that's cool |
| 19:16.24 | Lopeppeppy | Our weapons are more expensive, yes. They are more hotly contested. |
| 19:16.24 | ralfWORK | just looking for general ideas |
| 19:16.41 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: yea, I've heard people doing the same for tokens too |
| 19:16.56 | ralfWORK | but honestly, that's kinda silly to me |
| 19:16.57 | ralfWORK | plenty of token loot isn't upgrade |
| 19:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | Tokens are necessary gear. Weapons are higher priced because they are so hotly contested. |
| 19:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | Many weapons are "prestige" pieces, or were back in the Old Days, which contributed to this way of thinking. |
| 19:17.34 | ralfWORK | Lopeppeppy: mm gotcha |
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| 19:21.01 | Lunessa | Sometimes, when people argue with me as Guikd Leader I want to give in to my base impulse to quote the Judge Dread movie and yell "I AM THE LAW!" |
| 19:21.21 | Lunessa | So far, to date, I haven't succumbed. |
| 19:21.38 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yozvaMGkDjo |
| 19:22.33 | wereHamster | lol, gmail paper, http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html |
| 19:23.14 | Lunessa | Cairenn: *sigh* |
| 19:23.40 | Cairenn | ROFL! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/25/i-is-anonimus-cat/ |
| 19:27.40 | [Liquidor] | Good evening everyone. How's your weekend doing? |
| 19:28.21 | Cairenn | hey [Liquidor] - doing well, you? |
| 19:31.02 | ralfWORK | who said they used EPGP? |
| 19:31.03 | Thunder_Child | wow, surprisingly hard to find an ad from a newspaper in 2002 |
| 19:31.35 | ralfWORK | I think it was Beladona wasn't it |
| 19:31.46 | [Liquidor] | Woah, Cairenn spoke to me. |
| 19:32.04 | Cairenn | not the first time dear ;) |
| 19:32.19 | Thunder_Child | thats not the first time you have laughed at [Liquidor]? |
| 19:32.29 | Thunder_Child | thats just mean |
| 19:32.55 | [Liquidor] | ^ |
| 19:33.31 | Thunder_Child | ~mean Cairenn |
| 19:33.31 | purl | ACTION thinks Cairenn is mean :( |
| 19:33.43 | Cairenn | >< |
| 19:34.53 | Lunessa | Cairenn is not mean! She's typically red headed. :) |
| 19:35.01 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:35.23 | |Jelly| | <3 red heads. :P |
| 19:35.35 | Thunder_Child | weirdos |
| 19:36.51 | Lunessa | What's weird about liking pretty girls with red hair? |
| 19:37.00 | ralfWORK | pics or it didn't happen |
| 19:37.00 | Thunder_Child | not that |
| 19:37.16 | Thunder_Child | pics of what? |
| 19:37.18 | |Jelly| | I HAS PICZ! I R NOT SHARIN! |
| 19:37.19 | ralfWORK | oh sorry |
| 19:37.36 | ralfWORK | someone said "girl" so I assumed there was pics involved |
| 19:37.49 | |Jelly| | "bewbz or gtfo" ? |
| 19:37.53 | ralfWORK | HAHAHAHAHAH |
| 19:40.13 | Thunder_Child | pics are not hard to come by but Cairenn for some reason does not like herself floating around the web |
| 19:40.32 | Shirik | I have a pic of Cairenn now |
| 19:40.45 | Shirik | I'm satisified |
| 19:40.51 | Thunder_Child | ewww |
| 19:40.57 | Shirik | .... |
| 19:41.12 | ralfWORK | haha |
| 19:41.14 | |Jelly| | Cairenn pictuerz have been posted in this room before. lol |
| 19:41.43 | Cairenn | and I hate it :p |
| 19:41.54 | Thunder_Child | though i think it is the one of her ass that really gets her |
| 19:42.00 | |Jelly| | That one is lol |
| 19:42.00 | Shirik | Hey, you gave it to me! |
| 19:43.41 | Thunder_Child | pictures is going to be interesting at the next blizzcon |
| 19:44.25 | |Jelly| | I'LL SO BE THERE |
| 19:44.47 | Shirik | me too |
| 19:44.54 | Shirik | Thunder_Child and I both have good cameras |
| 19:45.03 | Thunder_Child | and Iriel has the best |
| 19:45.13 | Shirik | Working on getting that one... |
| 19:45.19 | Shirik | need to put together the money first :P |
| 19:45.25 | Thunder_Child | your going to spend 4K first> |
| 19:45.26 | |Jelly| | I ... have a camera. |
| 19:45.28 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 19:45.31 | Iriel | I have a good mid-range lens too now (24-120) |
| 19:45.34 | Thunder_Child | 4K* |
| 19:45.44 | Shirik | Cairenn, you can't hide. You know what we're working on at my school right now? |
| 19:45.50 | Shirik | This project called "eagle eye" |
| 19:45.53 | Cairenn | lol, what? |
| 19:46.10 | Shirik | It's a satellite that while it's up there, you give it commands to go to a specific location and it takes pictures and sends it back |
| 19:46.13 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn you will be there, your own sense of...duty will take you there |
| 19:46.33 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: /sigh, I hate it when people are right |
| 19:46.37 | Shirik | We will be able to see everrythingggg |
| 19:46.42 | Cide | hmm |
| 19:47.03 | Iriel | I can picture this.. "Hey Cairenn, can you go stand outside from say... 2:30 pm to 3:30pm tomorrow?" |
| 19:47.10 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:47.15 | Cide | does state headers support state changes based on pushing down or releasing a key? (other than the modifiers) |
| 19:47.18 | Iriel | "Wear red" |
| 19:47.25 | Cairenn | heh, not likely |
| 19:47.26 | Iriel | Cide: Yes, there are drivers for that |
| 19:47.35 | Lopeppeppy | Just wear a red umbrella, Cairenn. |
| 19:47.38 | Cide | oh, sweet |
| 19:47.41 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: ;) |
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| 19:53.48 | Shirik | Lua 5.1.3 is frozen |
| 19:54.01 | Iriel | Cide: SecureAnchorUpDownTemplate is what you're after |
| 19:54.09 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 19:54.28 | Cide | yeah, I checked it out more in-depth after you said it; I assumed it was just for mouse buttons based on the attribute names |
| 19:54.33 | Shirik | er, actually, 5.1.3 is released |
| 19:55.15 | Polarina | Shirik: I noticed that several hours ago. :) |
| 19:55.31 | Shirik | and I just woke up |
| 19:56.01 | Polarina | I'm going to get a new computer. :D |
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| 19:57.17 | Iriel | Polarina: MacBook Pro? |
| 19:57.30 | dylanm | <3 MacBook Pro |
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| 19:57.39 | Polarina | Iriel: No. A desktop computer. With a quad-core CPU. :P |
| 19:57.44 | Iriel | Mac Pro? |
| 19:57.49 | Iriel | Also tasty |
| 19:58.26 | Iriel | I can't wait for apple to stop tripping over themselves and get it together enough to release an 8800GT for the old mac pros |
| 19:58.58 | Lunessa | I wants a new Mac. .... DO WANT |
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| 19:59.39 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/24/funny-pictures-trust-me-baby/ |
| 19:59.57 | Esamynn|Work | Polarina: I'm planning to build me one of those too :) |
| 20:00.02 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:00.54 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: I'm going to get a Intel Quad-Core. AMD let me down the third time now. |
| 20:01.04 | Esamynn|Work | same |
| 20:01.28 | Esamynn|Work | I'm planning on blowing around 5 grand on a new desktop, once I move out in the next few months |
| 20:01.58 | ralfWORK | mmmm... mac pro |
| 20:02.44 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: My current problem now is to choose between two motherboards I have found... |
| 20:02.46 | MentalPower | Shirik: is there a changelog somewhere? (for Lua 5.1.3) |
| 20:02.57 | Shirik | the bug list for 5.1.2 is your change log |
| 20:03.28 | ralfWORK | that's quite a statement |
| 20:03.30 | Esamynn|Work | Polarina: got links? |
| 20:03.34 | Polarina | MentalPower: $ man diff |
| 20:03.40 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: Sure, a moment please. |
| 20:03.44 | MentalPower | `LART Polarina |
| 20:03.53 | MentalPower | ~LART Polarina |
| 20:03.53 | purl | executes killall -HUP Polarina |
| 20:04.02 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: http://www.att.is/product_info.php?products_id=4075 and http://www.att.is/product_info.php?products_id=3771 |
| 20:04.05 | Esamynn|Work | ~poke MentalPower |
| 20:04.05 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind MentalPower, pokes MentalPower repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:04.32 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: Not planning into using SLI in the near future though. :) |
| 20:05.05 | Esamynn|Work | I intend to get a very high end graphics card, and then I'll SLI it down the road if need be |
| 20:05.31 | Iriel | SLI sucks |
| 20:05.33 | Iriel | sadly |
| 20:05.33 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: SLI is like, having two GPUs... |
| 20:05.41 | Iriel | I was so optimistic, but in reality it doesn't work |
| 20:05.46 | Iriel | get a card with 2 GPU's onboard |
| 20:05.48 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: And quad-SLI is weird. |
| 20:05.52 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 20:06.08 | Polarina | Iriel: I think the GeForce 8800GT-OC does. |
| 20:06.20 | Iriel | I just picked up an 8800 GT for my PC yesterday |
| 20:08.09 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn|Work, same |
| 20:08.24 | Thunder_Child | i suppose i will pick up another 8800 GTX at some point |
| 20:08.35 | Beladona | you would think they would have taken the hint from Intel and their attempt at HyperThreading, which is now being replaced with actual dual cores |
| 20:09.00 | Lunessa | I never really saw the purpose of SLI since nothing I'm doing as a home user requires that much GPU work. |
| 20:09.03 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: This is the graphic card: http://www.att.is/product_info.php?cPath=41_138_139&products_id=4123 |
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| 20:12.08 | Esamynn|Work | Polarina: I'm looking at this MB http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1439&l1=3&l2=117&l3=0 |
| 20:14.19 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: Hmm... It looks very good fo(r)... OVERPRICED PIECE OF JUNK!!! |
| 20:15.03 | Iriel | me neither |
| 20:15.06 | Iriel | it's a conspiracy |
| 20:15.09 | Esamynn|Work | Polarina: you think it's over priced at $300 ? |
| 20:15.14 | NightHawkTheSane | its a trap! |
| 20:15.16 | Lunessa | noscript is blocking 90% of the site for me. |
| 20:15.22 | cog|work | this is mine: http://bfgtech.com/bfgrinf680is.aspx |
| 20:15.41 | cog|work | i don't use SLI with it, but it's been extremely solid |
| 20:15.51 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: These two I linked are at a fair price, just not entirely sure what's better... |
| 20:16.25 | Esamynn|Work | define fair price |
| 20:17.25 | Lunessa | cog|work: Pretty nice. |
| 20:18.18 | Polarina | Esamynn|Work: Please... Stop bouncing me around, I've got enough headaces already finding the other components... |
| 20:18.36 | Esamynn|Work | ~comfort Polarina |
| 20:18.37 | purl | There, there, Polarina. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 20:21.15 | Shirik | Okay, I have just learned that some textbooks define j = -i |
| 20:21.23 | Cide | ouch |
| 20:21.42 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 20:22.41 | malreth | Shirik: start with everyone in the Profanity Reporting Addon thread |
| 20:26.24 | Polarina | Let us not forget the "must have": http://www.att.is/product_info.php?cPath=41_74&products_id=2694 |
| 20:26.40 | Polarina | That has proven to be a life saver. :) |
| 20:26.52 | Shirik | Hey I still have those |
| 20:27.04 | Shirik | hell I still have OSes on floppy disks |
| 20:27.13 | kd3 | my old case has a floppy disk. this one doesn't |
| 20:27.28 | kd3 | s/disk/disk drive/ |
| 20:27.30 | ralfWORK | lol floppy disk? |
| 20:27.50 | cog|work | my last case has a 5 1/4" drive... |
| 20:28.00 | Polarina | ralfWORK: No, not floppy disks. Floppy drives! |
| 20:28.01 | Iriel | If you're installing XP on a system with H/W RAID you /still/ need a floppy drive |
| 20:28.09 | Iriel | stupid 'oh no we dont support USB' idiocy |
| 20:28.15 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 20:28.21 | ralfWORK | Iriel: why would I do that? :) |
| 20:28.37 | Iriel | because vista sucks, and not all games run under linux or OSX |
| 20:28.48 | ralfWORK | the one that matters to me does! |
| 20:28.58 | Esamynn|Work | :P |
| 20:29.04 | kd3 | heh, I was about to say... "there's games other than wow?" |
| 20:29.04 | cog|work | "Oh gee... if we load the USB drivers before asking the user for RAID drivers, we could get them off of a USB drive!!!!!" |
| 20:29.18 | cog|work | 5 years later, we have vista |
| 20:30.08 | Esamynn|Work | ^@#$^@#$&*(%^#$*@(^@$*(^@$&^*(%@$&^*@#$&^*(@$&^@*(&^@$*(&^@&^@#$*^$*(#@^ |
| 20:30.16 | cog|work | ~lart Esamynn|Work |
| 20:30.16 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P Esamynn|Work' action |
| 20:30.24 | cog|work | you just broke line wrapping in my chatzilla |
| 20:30.36 | Esamynn|Work | cog|work: get a wider screen :P |
| 20:30.56 | cog|work | don't come too much wider than 1920x1200... |
| 20:30.59 | Lunessa | get Colloquy on Mac OSX |
| 20:31.14 | Esamynn|Work | dunno how I broke your line wrapping then... |
| 20:31.14 | End-class | get a smaller font? |
| 20:31.17 | Esamynn|Work | that line wasn't that long :P |
| 20:31.39 | cog|work | One of the things I do with my wide monitor is... put things next to each other!!! now the other stuff won't fit :P |
| 20:31.39 | End-class | get an irc client that doesn't have a fragile line wrapper? |
| 20:32.02 | End-class | it's like 90 characters though! |
| 20:32.03 | Iriel | cog|work: Sure they do (come wider than 1920) |
| 20:32.04 | Shirik | so we get a wider monitor so that we can put things next to each other instead of spread them apart? |
| 20:32.08 | Esamynn|Work | cog|work: what!?!?! more than one thing on a monitor ?!?!?!?! :P |
| 20:32.10 | Iriel | cog|work: And you can always put 2 of those next to each other |
| 20:32.26 | Iriel | I keep my IRC on the little 1600x1200 monitor |
| 20:32.27 | Polarina | Oh.. I also need a DVI -> VGA changer. :) |
| 20:32.37 | Lunessa | My problem is I need about 32' of monitor space. |
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| 20:32.45 | malreth | Polarina: you fail. get a dvi monitor. |
| 20:32.45 | Iriel | Polarina: EWWW |
| 20:32.48 | Esamynn|Work | Lunessa: dual screens |
| 20:32.53 | Shirik | Anyone ever done any work with LynxOS? |
| 20:32.53 | Iriel | Polarina: what malreth said |
| 20:33.03 | Iriel | I have a bunch of those actually, pity you dont live nearby |
| 20:33.04 | ralfWORK | Shirik: never heard of it, honestly |
| 20:33.10 | Lunessa | Esamynn|Work: I do dual screen. I need MOAR! DO WANT |
| 20:33.12 | Polarina | malreth, Iriel: What's the problem with it? |
| 20:33.20 | Shirik | You probably wouldn't have unless you're in a specific field, but I figured I'd ask anyway :) |
| 20:33.23 | Iriel | DVI is so much crisper than VGA |
| 20:33.27 | End-class | ^ |
| 20:33.32 | malreth | ^ |
| 20:33.32 | Iriel | especially at high resolution |
| 20:33.33 | Esamynn|Work | Lunessa: well, I am thinking I want 3 screens on my new box.... 8) |
| 20:33.41 | ralfWORK | Shirik: what's LynxOS's gimick? |
| 20:33.48 | Shirik | It's an RTOS |
| 20:33.53 | Iriel | Shirik: Is that another embedded OS? |
| 20:33.53 | ralfWORK | ok |
| 20:33.56 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:33.59 | ralfWORK | like QNX? |
| 20:34.00 | Iriel | Shirik: I thought i'd heard of it (never used it) |
| 20:34.03 | Polarina | Iriel: I never seen any issues with VGA on my 1280x1024 monitor. |
| 20:34.17 | ralfWORK | (I think that's the one I'm thinking of) |
| 20:34.20 | Shirik | ralfWORK: Yes. I'm trying to decide between QNX and LynxOS |
| 20:34.21 | malreth | Polarina: you'll see the issues once you switch to a DVI panel |
| 20:34.25 | ralfWORK | Shirik: ahh gotcha |
| 20:34.27 | Shirik | QNX is bigger... but seems more capable too. |
| 20:34.37 | Iriel | Polarina: Is your monitor a panel or CRT? |
| 20:34.48 | Polarina | Iriel: LCD. |
| 20:35.00 | ralfWORK | I've at least touched QNX, I think |
| 20:35.04 | Lunessa | I want at least three screens all running in high-res native modes... Preferably with a very natural aspect ratio. So I have lots of room for everything. |
| 20:35.08 | ralfWORK | can't offer any insight for ya though Shirik |
| 20:35.22 | Shirik | QNX is nice |
| 20:35.26 | Iriel | I have 4 screens right now but they're connected to 3 different computers, does that count? |
| 20:35.28 | Shirik | #1 problem with them: Their IDE is eclipse. |
| 20:35.30 | Shirik | %*! |
| 20:35.55 | Iriel | Shirik: Eclipse grows on you, once you accept that it's broken in a few places, but that for the most part you can avoid those places |
| 20:36.02 | Esamynn|Work | what type of cards use PCI 2.2 these days? |
| 20:36.08 | Iriel | PCI cards? |
| 20:36.10 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 20:36.15 | End-class | lol |
| 20:36.28 | Esamynn|Work | PCI 2.2 are the tiny little slots, aren't they? |
| 20:36.32 | Iriel | All the cool kids are PCI Express now, aren't they? |
| 20:36.53 | Polarina | I'm still using AGP, but switching to PCI-E. |
| 20:36.54 | malreth | Polarina: i tell you a story about a roommate of mine. he bought an LCD monitor and complained about how it wasn't as nice looking as my LCD monitor. i took the monitor off his desk (with his permission) and hooked it up to my computer with a DVI cable instead of the VGA. in 5 minutes, after i rehooked the monitor back up to his computer, he got online to order a new video card with a DVI port |
| 20:36.55 | cog|work | Esamynn|Work: PCMCIA? |
| 20:36.56 | Lunessa | Iriel: I have a dual monitor set up on primary machine, single monitor on each of two other machines and my old mac Book Titanium. |
| 20:37.01 | ralfWORK | Shirik: plus, Eclipse is the only IDE I've run into that has a working VIM module ;) |
| 20:37.26 | Polarina | malreth: :P |
| 20:37.30 | Shirik | Netbeans has stomped eclipse into the ground in my opinion |
| 20:37.34 | Iriel | Lunessa: That's more or less my desk, less one 'other machine', and with a Mac Book Pro |
| 20:37.34 | Shirik | And now it offers C/C++ support... |
| 20:37.44 | Polarina | I think my current sucky card has a DVI plug. Let me check. |
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| 20:37.46 | malreth | Polarina: i'm not kidding. do these eyes that lie? |
| 20:37.48 | End-class | netbeans offers C/C++ support? |
| 20:37.51 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:37.52 | Lunessa | I'm going to get a tan just from monitor radiation... |
| 20:37.55 | End-class | interesting... |
| 20:38.00 | Shirik | it's pretty damn good too |
| 20:38.06 | Iriel | The question is generally does your monitor have DVI input |
| 20:38.14 | Iriel | some of the cheaper/older ones dont |
| 20:38.14 | Shirik | only problem I have with it is the way it tries to analyze build erros |
| 20:38.19 | Shirik | but that may be because of the compiler I'm using |
| 20:38.29 | Esamynn|Work | cog|work: the tiny little slots that are about 1/4 the length of a PCI slot |
| 20:38.44 | cog|work | oh, that's PCI-Ex1 |
| 20:38.54 | Shirik | yah |
| 20:38.54 | Iriel | There's Mini PCI too |
| 20:39.26 | Shirik | Esamynn|Work: PCI 2.2, btw, is... a pretty old standard for PCI |
| 20:39.33 | Polarina | malreth: Yes, my old sucky card has a DVI port. |
| 20:39.36 | Shirik | If a card/slot doesn't use/support it by now it has serious problems |
| 20:40.04 | Esamynn|Work | I dunno, I'm looking at this Asus MB and it says 2 of the slots are 2 x PCI 2.2 , and they can't mean anything but these little short ones |
| 20:40.22 | *** part/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=malreth@dhcp-45-17.its.utexas.edu) |
| 20:40.25 | Iriel | I think they may mean PCI Express 2.0 |
| 20:40.27 | Iriel | or 2.2 |
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| 20:40.40 | Iriel | Hm, I only see 2.0 on the spec site |
| 20:40.44 | malreth | i need to quit hitting those buttons... |
| 20:40.47 | Esamynn|Work | I was just wondering what the heck could go in them |
| 20:40.51 | Polarina | malreth: And the monitor doesn't! :'( |
| 20:40.55 | Iriel | Oh, no, really is PCI 2.2 |
| 20:40.56 | Esamynn|Work | http://www.asus.com/999/images/products/1439/1439_l.jpg <-- picture of the MB |
| 20:41.14 | malreth | Polarina: u needs 2 gets a new monater |
| 20:41.24 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart malreth |
| 20:41.24 | purl | shoots malreth in his sleep |
| 20:41.46 | Polarina | malreth: But I've never seen my screen go blurry. No matter how close I get near it, I can see things, pixel by pixel, very clear. |
| 20:41.52 | Polarina | malreth: Even with black on white. |
| 20:41.56 | Iriel | the PCI 2.2's are the lower 2 slots, I think |
| 20:42.07 | Iriel | the lower 2 white ones, that is |
| 20:42.11 | Esamynn|Work | oh duh, right |
| 20:42.27 | Esamynn|Work | I only counted one, some how |
| 20:42.33 | malreth | Polarina: the colors will be brighter and you'll have improved contrast with a DVI connection |
| 20:43.04 | Esamynn|Work | so the short one has to be PCIe x1 |
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| 20:43.14 | Polarina | malreth: I'm going to get a VGA -> DVI changer for now. :) |
| 20:43.23 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Polarina |
| 20:43.23 | purl | declares Polarina a moron |
| 20:43.30 | Esamynn|Work | woot! |
| 20:43.32 | Esamynn|Work | ~botsnack |
| 20:43.32 | purl | Esamynn|Work: thanks |
| 20:44.08 | Iriel | Polarina: Here's a simple descripton of the difference: http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-60031.html |
| 20:44.33 | Iriel | But since your monitor doesn't have a DVI in, you're stuck anyway. |
| 20:50.23 | Lunessa | Win does not http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4187420442&sid=1 |
| 20:51.06 | malreth | interesting that cog deleted his reply |
| 20:51.37 | ralfWORK | rofl |
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| 20:54.29 | malreth | ~wiki Sinbad |
| 20:54.48 | malreth | ~wiki Sinbad (actor) |
| 20:55.41 | cog|work | http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:tZ9xKAcTLJMJ:www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php%3Fid%3D7599%26so%3Doldest%26page%3D1+cogwheel+sinbad+crybaby&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 20:57.07 | malreth | that's good because ron paul supporters would stalk your house and have you shot |
| 20:57.58 | Lunessa | In the beginning the Earth was green and good. Then humans came along and fux0red everything up. At least they gave use the internets. |
| 20:58.59 | malreth | the level of stupidity in this thread is amazing on so many levels: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4164629715&postId=42238329520&sid=1#31 |
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| 21:01.14 | Lunessa | the world is full of people who refuse to learn, but that's a smaller subset of those who have failed to learn. |
| 21:01.37 | Lunessa | Ed Gruberman, you fail to understand. Approach that I may show you. |
| 21:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | How would I match a string of alpha-numberic chars, a space, and then the rest of a string? |
| 21:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got "(.+) (.+)" but I know that 1) that doesn't work and 2) I should be using something other than (.+) ;P |
| 21:02.21 | Iriel | [a-zA-Z0-9]+ [a-zA-Z0-9]* |
| 21:02.41 | Iriel | There's probably a shorter \ something for alphanumeric, let me look |
| 21:02.42 | batrick | [%a%d] ) |
| 21:02.51 | Iriel | or that |
| 21:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | [a-zA-Z0-9] matches all characters? ;) |
| 21:02.55 | batrick | :) ** |
| 21:03.00 | Iriel | [%a%d]+ [%a%d] |
| 21:03.05 | Iriel | Probably |
| 21:03.10 | Iriel | Do the %'s work inside character classes? |
| 21:03.14 | batrick | ya |
| 21:03.17 | cog|work | %S+%s%S+ |
| 21:03.25 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the difference between using () and [] for the patterns? |
| 21:03.26 | Iriel | %S matches non-alphanumerics tho |
| 21:03.30 | cog|work | true |
| 21:03.35 | Iriel | [] means any one of the characters inside |
| 21:03.42 | Iriel | () means capture what is inside. |
| 21:03.44 | Iriel | so.. for example |
| 21:03.48 | Iriel | [ABC] means match A or B or C |
| 21:03.54 | Iriel | (ABC) means match and capture A then B then C |
| 21:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, gotcha |
| 21:04.12 | Iriel | And, for completeness ([ABC]) means match and capture A or B or C |
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| 21:06.42 | malreth | and [(ABC)] is right outu |
| 21:06.42 | Esamynn|Work | are these Lua character classes? |
| 21:06.50 | malreth | s/tu/t/ |
| 21:07.03 | Iriel | Well, [(ABC)] works, but means ( or A or B or C or ) |
| 21:07.12 | malreth | which no one would ever want ever |
| 21:07.15 | malreth | ever |
| 21:07.18 | ralfWORK | maybe I do! |
| 21:07.19 | malreth | ever |
| 21:07.21 | Esamynn|Work | because [%a%d] == %w in Lua |
| 21:07.22 | ralfWORK | MAYBE I DO |
| 21:07.24 | Iriel | I want it NOW! |
| 21:07.38 | ralfWORK | yes! all of a sudden I want to do that! |
| 21:07.40 | malreth | kamdis: <3 |
| 21:07.49 | Iriel | See what you've done Malreth, you've created a run on [(ABC)] patterns |
| 21:08.04 | malreth | i already bought the domain name for that pattern |
| 21:08.15 | malreth | i'll make a million selling it now |
| 21:08.23 | malreth | [(ABC)].com |
| 21:08.23 | Esamynn|Work | O_o |
| 21:08.25 | ralfWORK | I patented it |
| 21:08.28 | ralfWORK | already |
| 21:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. Teach me to pay attention to my code.. |
| 21:08.44 | ralfWORK | so you'll have to sell me your domain for it's purchase value! |
| 21:08.59 | Iriel | Hey neat, I just found out that my UPS has a real time load display in W |
| 21:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got the string.find expression once to check if it matches... and then again to actually extract the values |
| 21:09.13 | ralfWORK | oh :( |
| 21:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm only playing with the first one :/ |
| 21:09.32 | kd3 | damn it UPS... get here |
| 21:09.33 | Esamynn|Work | why don't you combine them? |
| 21:09.57 | ralfWORK | for maybe... 1 trillion dollars, maybe! |
| 21:10.06 | Iriel | kd3 you really do seem to suffer a lot lately |
| 21:10.17 | kd3 | just chronic impatience |
| 21:10.27 | Iriel | There |
| 21:10.32 | Iriel | There's a cure for that |
| 21:10.40 | malreth | sadly, i took one lightning strike too many for me to realize how much i needed UPSs |
| 21:10.51 | malreth | :( |
| 21:10.56 | Iriel | I only need them because PG&E aren't all that reliable |
| 21:11.13 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: all it took for me to realize it was one of my boxes rebooting every damn time the power flickered |
| 21:11.14 | Iriel | "oh dear, its raining, i hope you didn't need continuous power" (beeeeeeeep) |
| 21:11.32 | malreth | one strike fried every NIC that was connected in the apartment all at once |
| 21:11.40 | Esamynn|Work | ouch |
| 21:11.40 | ralfWORK | oh gross |
| 21:11.48 | ralfWORK | I have a house |
| 21:11.53 | ralfWORK | I should put up lightening rods! |
| 21:12.02 | ralfWORK | AND HARNES TEH POWAH |
| 21:12.03 | malreth | cable modem (rental from time warner), my router, my wireless base station, and two network cards |
| 21:12.07 | Esamynn|Work | what's a lightening rod? |
| 21:12.20 | malreth | thankfully, it stopped at the NICs in all cases |
| 21:12.20 | ralfWORK | just get a really fricking huge capacitor |
| 21:12.22 | Esamynn|Work | is it a rod that makes things lighter? |
| 21:12.30 | kd3 | huh... the switch in our apartment is plugged directly into mains power. suppose I should hook it up to a surge protector |
| 21:12.30 | ralfWORK | Esamynn|Work: yarly |
| 21:12.43 | malreth | but i ended up replacing all the computers anyways |
| 21:12.44 | Cairenn | you seriously don't know what a lightening rod is? or you're just being a smart ass? |
| 21:13.01 | Esamynn|Work | lightning, not lightening |
| 21:13.04 | Esamynn|Work | damnit, pay attention :P |
| 21:13.05 | ralfWORK | malreth: something like that would make me a sad panda that I have all macs |
| 21:13.11 | ralfWORK | with integrated everything :( |
| 21:13.30 | Esamynn|Work | Cairenn: I'm nit picking his spelling |
| 21:13.36 | malreth | and strangely enough, the wireless base station still worked... i could use the built-in modem on it and connect to it wirelessly, but the RJ45 connectors were dead |
| 21:13.38 | Cairenn | hokay |
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| 21:14.09 | Esamynn|Work | Cairenn: had you worried, did I? |
| 21:14.17 | Cairenn | yup |
| 21:14.18 | ralfWORK | Esamynn|Work: i c wut u did thar |
| 21:14.22 | Shirik | RJ45 != PHONE CABLE |
| 21:14.25 | Shirik | *#@(%#$ |
| 21:14.25 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart ralfWORK |
| 21:14.25 | purl | forces ralfWORK to use Outlook Express |
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| 21:14.44 | Esamynn|Work | ooooh, ouch |
| 21:14.48 | Esamynn|Work | purl, that was mean |
| 21:14.57 | Shirik | Unfortunately, everyone calls it RJ45 |
| 21:15.11 | Shirik | which screws up people like me when I call a company and REALLY need an RJ45 cable and they send me a phone cord |
| 21:15.15 | ralfWORK | Shirik: who calls phone cords RJ45? |
| 21:15.28 | ralfWORK | I have never known anyone to do that |
| 21:15.28 | Shirik | sorry, ethernet cable |
| 21:15.38 | Shirik | Wrong words |
| 21:15.42 | ralfWORK | lolwut? |
| 21:15.43 | Shirik | that's how annoyed I am right now :P |
| 21:15.49 | malreth | Shirik: no... i really meant RJ45. the ethernet ports were dead but the modem (on the RJwhatever number it is) still worked |
| 21:15.50 | Shirik | ethernet cable does not use RJ45 |
| 21:15.56 | ralfWORK | hahahahaha |
| 21:16.13 | ralfWORK | malreth: RJ11/12 iirc |
| 21:16.19 | ralfWORK | Shirik: I know what you're getting at |
| 21:16.29 | Shirik | I'm getting at that ethernet cables are not RJ45? |
| 21:16.30 | ralfWORK | RJ = Registered Jack iirc |
| 21:16.38 | malreth | Shirik: i had to troubleshoot a guy over the phone once back when i was a support monkey at the help desk. he was trying to connect his new USB printer to his computer but couldn't get it to be recognized |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:16.49 | ralfWORK | which means there is no such thing as a RJ45 cable |
| 21:16.51 | ralfWORK | see, I'm smarter than I look :P |
| 21:16.59 | malreth | Shirik: did you know that a USB cable fits neatly into an ethernet port? |
| 21:17.00 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart ralfWORK |
| 21:17.00 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to ralfWORK, and goes postal |
| 21:17.01 | Shirik | no, that's not what I mean |
| 21:17.10 | Esamynn|Work | ~botsnack |
| 21:17.10 | purl | Esamynn|Work: aw, gee |
| 21:17.12 | Shirik | I mean that ethernet cables do not connect to an RJ45 jack |
| 21:17.17 | ralfWORK | malreth: actually, yes, I have :P |
| 21:17.21 | Shirik | they are not the same jack |
| 21:17.28 | malreth | Shirik: you have no idea how long it took to troubleshoot that one |
| 21:17.39 | Shirik | malreth: rofl |
| 21:17.48 | ralfWORK | malreth: friend of mine just moved... setup his computer and the keyboard didn't work |
| 21:17.51 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: made a "bad" assumption, huh? ;) |
| 21:18.05 | ralfWORK | wouldn't you know, the USB keyboard was in the damn ethernet port :P |
| 21:18.10 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 21:18.21 | Shirik | Ethernet cables are correctly called 8P8C jacks |
| 21:18.21 | malreth | "what are you plugging it into, sir?" "ther rectangular-like one!" |
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| 21:18.46 | Esamynn|Work | the one it fits into snugly? |
| 21:18.47 | ralfWORK | I used to tell my parents |
| 21:18.58 | ralfWORK | "there's not really a wrong way to hook up a computer" |
| 21:19.04 | Shirik | yeah |
| 21:19.07 | Esamynn|Work | haha |
| 21:19.07 | Shirik | I told them that too |
| 21:19.08 | ralfWORK | which is mostly true |
| 21:19.17 | Shirik | fortunately my dad isn't an idiot |
| 21:19.21 | Shirik | "I figured the colors go together" |
| 21:19.21 | ralfWORK | leave it to them to uhm... weed out the exceptions :P |
| 21:19.24 | Shirik | so he got it to work |
| 21:19.28 | Esamynn|Work | pretty much, if it fits, it's probably in the right place... |
| 21:19.30 | ralfWORK | Shirik: ahahahaahaha |
| 21:19.39 | ralfWORK | Esamynn|Work: that's what she said |
| 21:19.58 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart ralfWORK |
| 21:19.58 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack ralfWORK |
| 21:20.22 | ralfWORK | found out later it was a navel... dunno what she was trying to say... |
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| 21:25.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh, okay, I just can't get this. I want to match a single, static character at the start of a string, followed by a string of characters, then a space, then the rest of the string. |
| 21:25.44 | Esamynn|Work | what's is the first char? |
| 21:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ex, "WSbo test lol" and I want to extract the "Sbo" and the "test lol" from the string |
| 21:25.55 | Esamynn|Work | oh |
| 21:25.57 | Esamynn|Work | ok |
| 21:25.58 | Iriel | "^W(%S+) (.*)$" |
| 21:26.08 | malreth | hmm... cog|work question |
| 21:26.17 | Esamynn|Work | damn, Iriel beat me to it :P |
| 21:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the $ do? |
| 21:26.26 | Iriel | end of string |
| 21:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, duh |
| 21:26.34 | Iriel | it's not strictly necessary there, since .* is greedy |
| 21:26.43 | Esamynn|Work | greedy bastard |
| 21:26.45 | malreth | or anyone really |
| 21:26.48 | Iriel | but I like to put it in if it makes the purpose more obvious to the reader |
| 21:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually that's why I asked, heh |
| 21:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I knew that (.*) was greedyt |
| 21:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | *greedy |
| 21:27.59 | Esamynn|Work | ScytheBlade1: now, if the char at the beginning is not always W, you can just use . instead |
| 21:28.08 | Esamynn|Work | assuming you always want to strip the first char |
| 21:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, got it working |
| 21:30.32 | malreth | Imagine Cold Snap is on cooldown for the next 5 minutes. I then activate a macro to /castsequence reset=180 Summon Water Elemental, Cold Snap. The elemental spawns and the reset timer starts. After 45 seconds, the elemental despawns and I activate the macro again to try to cold snap. That fails (the ability isn't ready) but does the reset timer restart over again from that point or is it unaffected? |
| 21:31.01 | ralfWORK | lolwut? |
| 21:31.14 | ralfWORK | you're way smarter than me. best macro I've done is /target |
| 21:31.16 | Shirik | the timer resets |
| 21:31.30 | malreth | since cold snap isn't activated, the sequence doesn't advance |
| 21:31.39 | Shirik | that's irrelevant |
| 21:31.58 | malreth | ok... i figured that's how it worked |
| 21:32.31 | malreth | the timer is reset anytime the /castsequence is attempted, not just whenever the sequence successfully advances |
| 21:33.26 | ralfWORK | I need to do that for inner focus/shadowword: pain |
| 21:33.57 | ralfWORK | or maybe mindblast. I dunno. |
| 21:34.44 | kamdis | I guess I underuse Inner Focus. I mostly use it for Prayer of Fort. |
| 21:34.59 | ralfWORK | I used it for that for a while |
| 21:35.02 | kamdis | I should macro it. |
| 21:35.03 | ralfWORK | as a healer I use it alot |
| 21:35.23 | ralfWORK | as a healer, whenever clearcasting procs and I'm low on mana |
| 21:35.38 | kamdis | On occasion I've used it healing, when we're < 1% on a boss and everyone's OOM, but mostly I don't have mana issues. |
| 21:35.48 | ralfWORK | pop my Bangles, pop if |
| 21:35.51 | kamdis | esp. since Shadowfiend came along. |
| 21:35.53 | ralfWORK | sit there outside FSR for a bit |
| 21:35.56 | ralfWORK | and I'm straight |
| 21:36.00 | kamdis | yeah, I under-use it I'm sure |
| 21:36.09 | kamdis | since I could be regenning |
| 21:36.12 | ralfWORK | mana use as a shadowpriest is just different |
| 21:36.25 | ralfWORK | can't figure out how to use it effectively while shadow |
| 21:36.27 | kamdis | Kamdis is Holy |
| 21:36.47 | ralfWORK | I find I like alot of 'ohshit' buttons as holy |
| 21:36.48 | kamdis | My other priest is shadow |
| 21:36.51 | ralfWORK | not so much as shadow |
| 21:36.58 | ralfWORK | hah Kam is raiding right? |
| 21:37.04 | kamdis | I just chain pots on my SPriest |
| 21:37.11 | kamdis | well, she was till I gquit |
| 21:37.14 | kamdis | lol |
| 21:37.16 | ralfWORK | lol k |
| 21:37.20 | ralfWORK | where's yoru shadowpriest at? |
| 21:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: thanks |
| 21:37.29 | ralfWORK | I rolled a 2nd priest, but haven't leveled her up yet :( |
| 21:37.50 | kamdis | spriest is Emynwen, on Uther |
| 21:38.03 | ralfWORK | kamdis: I mean, is it 70? |
| 21:38.12 | kamdis | the only Emynwen in the US according to armory |
| 21:38.14 | kamdis | oh yeah |
| 21:38.19 | ralfWORK | lucky :) |
| 21:38.24 | kamdis | she was my launch day character ;) |
| 21:38.27 | ralfWORK | ahh ok |
| 21:38.39 | ralfWORK | I still need to get chain-potting in my little brain |
| 21:38.42 | Esamynn|Work | my name is pretty much Unique in the entire World of Warcraft afaik :) |
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| 21:39.14 | kamdis | Esamynn, I almost always read your name and Emynwen at first. |
| 21:39.15 | ralfWORK | been holy too long to think of pots as part of breathing, as opposed to another ohshit button |
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| 21:39.34 | Esamynn|Work | oh wait, there is some level 32 hunter on the US realms |
| 21:39.45 | ralfWORK | I need some addon that'll tell me when I'm 3k below full mana |
| 21:39.51 | kamdis | Yeah, it was an ajustment. |
| 21:39.53 | ralfWORK | so I can remember to pot ahead of time :P |
| 21:40.11 | kamdis | that's still pretty unique Esamynn |
| 21:40.52 | kamdis | You could do that with a scrolling combat text addon |
| 21:41.03 | kamdis | just raise the % mana that it screams LOW MANA at you |
| 21:41.04 | kd3 | whee, it's here |
| 21:41.14 | ralfWORK | kamdis: hmm... interesting |
| 21:41.48 | ralfWORK | i've thought about a macro on one of my often used spells... like Mindflay |
| 21:41.52 | ralfWORK | that'll just pot when I'm 3k low |
| 21:42.11 | malreth | can't conditionally macro based on mana |
| 21:42.35 | Lunessa | Could pop a warning though. |
| 21:42.39 | malreth | translating that to intelligible english is left as an exercise for the reader |
| 21:42.53 | ralfWORK | but I'd want to toggle it on/off only for new bosses, honestly |
| 21:43.00 | Lunessa | Something to sat "HEY DUMBASS - Use a potion!" |
| 21:43.04 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: that would work! |
| 21:43.34 | ralfWORK | I perform better when my games scream at me |
| 21:43.55 | kamdis | The floating combat text mods I've used (SCT, Parrot and Mik's) all have a slider for mana % to put up a warning. So, changing it based on encounter is pretty easy. |
| 21:44.06 | ralfWORK | kamdis: gotcha |
| 21:44.26 | kamdis | I do better when my games scream at me too. |
| 21:44.29 | ralfWORK | I'm not using any floating combat text aside from default at this point |
| 21:44.34 | kamdis | ah |
| 21:45.15 | kamdis | You could suggest it to Alestane for CoolFloat. That's his addon that adds cooldown over announcements to the blizzard floating text. |
| 21:46.18 | ralfWORK | hmm k |
| 21:46.27 | ralfWORK | I should probably just mess round with some of them |
| 21:49.00 | Esamynn|Work | nope, no Esamynn on the EU realms, still, cool 8) |
| 21:49.45 | malreth | after 4 hours of fiddling, i finally came up with a pitbull layout that i like |
| 21:49.51 | ralfWORK | malreth: screenshot? |
| 21:49.58 | malreth | they're on my pc at home |
| 21:50.00 | ralfWORK | I'm still fiddling with my pitbull |
| 21:50.14 | malreth | which... because i'm insane about saving money on my utilities... is shut off |
| 21:50.24 | ralfWORK | bwahahaahah ok |
| 21:50.52 | Esamynn|Work | malreth: you're just insane period :P |
| 21:50.53 | malreth | i don't like the built in combat fader for pitbull... |
| 21:52.07 | malreth | i want behavior like i've found in most HUDs... separate alpha settings for in combat, out of combat but not at 100% hp/mana, out of combat and at 100% hp/mana, and out of combat but targeting something |
| 21:52.58 | laindir | <3 DHUD |
| 21:53.54 | malreth | i've found that i have a preference for depletion bars |
| 21:54.04 | malreth | it really makes it more obvious that your HP is dropping |
| 21:54.31 | Thunder_Child | I hate you all |
| 21:54.48 | malreth | and the buff/debuff layout that i've got is really geared more for a mage |
| 21:55.15 | Esamynn|Work | Thunder_Child: any particular reason? |
| 21:55.21 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 21:55.22 | malreth | so i don't know how useful it is for a healer class |
| 21:55.51 | Thunder_Child | didnt think i needed a particular reason toy hate everypne... |
| 21:55.57 | Thunder_Child | everyone* |
| 21:56.12 | malreth | toy hate affects everyone |
| 21:56.17 | malreth | end the abuse |
| 21:56.19 | laindir | as a healer, I find that most of my buff monitoring comes from watching my timer mod |
| 21:56.21 | Thunder_Child | ~hate malreth |
| 21:56.21 | purl | Hey thunder_child, ,,|, |
| 21:56.29 | malreth | LOL |
| 21:56.40 | Lunessa | malreth: I turn off the combat fader module. It's not helpful to me in any way. |
| 21:57.06 | malreth | i just want my player unit frame to not be visible if it's not telling me anything useful |
| 21:57.08 | Josh_Borke | turn off the combat fader module! it never should have been in the base install :-( |
| 21:57.13 | Josh_Borke | or at least, it should be disabled by default |
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| 22:00.35 | Lunessa | mal, you only want it to show if you're loosing health/mana? |
| 22:01.30 | malreth | when out of combat, i only want my player frame to show if i'm regenerating hp/mana or if i have something targeted |
| 22:02.08 | malreth | when in combat, i want it up no matter what |
| 22:11.52 | kamdis | i wish that people who excessively bump useless threads would trigger some kind of automatic cooldown on posting. |
| 22:12.10 | kamdis | the post timer just doesn't cut it |
| 22:13.30 | Duman | heh |
| 22:13.32 | malreth | i think i'll dump omen and just use assessment since i'm already using it for the damage meters |
| 22:13.49 | Duman | yeah, every time you reply to your own post, with nothing in between, you get a 5m posting timout |
| 22:13.51 | Duman | ;) |
| 22:14.03 | Duman | s/timout/cooldown/ |
| 22:14.14 | malreth | aaaand i should use quartz to display my target's castbar instead of using the one on pitbull |
| 22:14.50 | Duman | yeah my target's casting bar lives smack in the middle of my screen ;) |
| 22:15.03 | malreth | it'd make it easier to see for counterspelling |
| 22:15.48 | malreth | and i need a more consistent color scheme versus the "eeeh... whatever. make it blue. no red. no blue" thing that i'm doing now |
| 22:17.02 | Industrial | Is it possible in wow to have both the petbar and the shapeshift buttons shown at the same time in the default interface without changing anything? |
| 22:17.15 | Industrial | can a hunter shapeshift? can a druid get a petbar? |
| 22:17.18 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:17.24 | |Jelly| | druid in kara chess event |
| 22:17.47 | Industrial | does it use the petbar or the bonusactionbar |
| 22:17.54 | Industrial | like MC |
| 22:18.00 | malreth | chess uses the petbar |
| 22:18.11 | foxlit | It didn't get changed to the main action bar? |
| 22:18.22 | malreth | foxlit: only if you use the blizzard bars |
| 22:18.37 | malreth | in bartender, for example, the buttons will still be on the petbar |
| 22:18.48 | foxlit | Which is entirely bartender's fault :P |
| 22:18.51 | malreth | no |
| 22:19.35 | malreth | i don't think it's possible to replicate that behavior in a non-blizzard secure template... i could be wrong tho |
| 22:19.51 | malreth | but secure templates aren't my bag |
| 22:20.10 | laindir | bar mods that don't touch the main bar still work, CT for example |
| 22:21.24 | cog|work | should I be shot? |
| 22:21.25 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4162889936&postId=42157634275&sid=1#4 |
| 22:21.37 | malreth | yeah... it's kinda annoying since i use bt3 and i had to map the pet actions to something just so i could do the shartuul event |
| 22:21.57 | kamdis | only for misspelling response, cog. |
| 22:21.59 | kamdis | :P |
| 22:22.11 | Duman | heh cog |
| 22:24.08 | mikma | haha, nice one coggie |
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| 22:27.36 | Esamynn|Work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?show=1&topicId=4191340970&sid=1 GG CoT |
| 22:27.58 | Industrial | meh |
| 22:28.18 | Industrial | im ripping off the multibarbottomleft and right buttons and putting them in another frame to make a bar |
| 22:28.23 | Industrial | this screws their buttons id's |
| 22:28.43 | Industrial | if I leave them in their bar frames they will setpoint some time after PLAYER_LOGIN (so after my script) |
| 22:28.50 | Industrial | anoying blizzardcode is anoying |
| 22:30.08 | Esamynn|Work | Industrial: no, really? wow, that's really enlightening! |
| 22:32.07 | Industrial | just throwing my problem out there, Esamynn|Work :P |
| 22:32.28 | |Jelly| | Cog: Is it against the law to use curse words in public in your state? <-- technically, you could get in trouble for it [here at least]. I really doubt it would hold up if you tried to fight it though. |
| 22:32.47 | Industrial | Esamynn|Work: it keeps SetPointing to ActionButton1 :| |
| 22:32.47 | |Jelly| | My friend just graduated the police academy and was laughing with me at all the bs things that you can get in trouble for. |
| 22:33.20 | Esamynn|Work | |Jelly|: O_o |
| 22:34.17 | |Jelly| | It essentially boils down to if you're in public, you're probably breaking a law. If you're behind the wheel of a car, you're definitely breaking a law. It's all pretty dumb and lol if you ask me. |
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| 22:35.38 | batrick | find anything shirik |
| 22:35.51 | Pazza | is there a way to get the name of the addon calling a function? |
| 22:36.31 | Cide | parse debugstack()? not sure if there are any other ways |
| 22:36.43 | Iriel | What cide said |
| 22:36.53 | Pazza | thanks. |
| 22:37.18 | cog|work | and that still may not tell the whole story depending on what kind of embedded libraries are in use... |
| 22:37.31 | Shirik | batrick: ? |
| 22:37.55 | Shirik | Pazza: That's how I do it in Conspiracy |
| 22:37.58 | Shirik | if you want some example code |
| 22:38.37 | |Jelly| | I WANT SOME EXAMPLE CONSPIRACY! |
| 22:38.46 | |Jelly| | I don't want to get my UI exactly how I like it and then you release! :P |
| 22:39.04 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:40.20 | batrick | curious if u broke anything, guess not :) |
| 22:40.53 | batrick | i'm surprised they didn't fix table.insert(t, 2^32, someval) --> t[0] = someval |
| 22:41.08 | Shirik | Me too, I actually sent something to team@lua.org asking what the dilly |
| 22:41.15 | Pazza | thanks for the help. Im going to experiment. I am making a skinning interface for WIM. And I am trying to catch errors for required fields. A skin is added as a sperate addon. I would like to display who is trying to register the skin in the error message. |
| 22:41.25 | Shirik | Pazza: http://wowi.pastey.net/81274 |
| 22:41.28 | Iriel | if the index arg is clearly defined as an integer index then it's not a bug |
| 22:41.28 | Cide | hmm, is there a secure button "type" attribute equivalent to /targetexact? |
| 22:41.34 | Iriel | it's just a cast artifact |
| 22:41.35 | Shirik | That's part of the Conspiracy error handler that tries to figure out what module it is |
| 22:41.35 | Cide | or do I have to resort to macrotext? |
| 22:41.42 | Iriel | Cide: The latter I think |
| 22:41.47 | Cide | bleh. okay, thanks |
| 22:41.48 | batrick | iriel they didn't clearly define it as an integer |
| 22:42.03 | Iriel | It'd be a bug if t[2^32] = somevalue; t[0] == somevalue |
| 22:42.52 | Iriel | (Though I do secretly agree a bounds check would be nice) |
| 22:43.12 | Pazza | thanks shirik |
| 22:43.28 | Shirik | Iriel: The problem first surfaced with string.rep |
| 22:43.38 | Shirik | when I found out 1x10^50==1 |
| 22:43.44 | cog|work | Where do people get this idea that the USPS is a shining example of efficiency and reliability? I mean, people get freaked when we tell them we haven't received their order when they sent it from freaking Alasaka 6 days ago with a weekend and a mail holiday in between :| |
| 22:43.55 | Shirik | (dunno if you saw that writeup I posted) |
| 22:44.00 | batrick | shirik technically you didn't find that, you found it equaled 0 :P |
| 22:44.20 | Shirik | No I found 1 :/ |
| 22:44.27 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.04 | Shirik | This was the first thing I tested |
| 22:45.09 | Shirik | I was hoping for a segfault due to complexity |
| 22:45.14 | Shirik | --> loadstring("return "..("1+"):rep(1e50).."1")() |
| 22:45.14 | batbot | Shirik: > 1 |
| 22:45.24 | Shirik | Ohhh I see what you're saying, sorry |
| 22:45.29 | Shirik | yes I found that 1e50==0 |
| 22:46.07 | krka | no, you found that ("1+"):rep(1e50) == "" |
| 22:46.32 | Shirik | well yes |
| 22:46.36 | Shirik | but at the time I wasn't aware of that |
| 22:47.17 | batrick | anyway 2^16 is a the max size for integers on some platforms and that's an easy value to get to with arrays |
| 22:47.21 | Esamynn|Work | trivia time! |
| 22:47.28 | batrick | so it's pretty silly that thye don't do bound checks on it |
| 22:47.36 | Esamynn|Work | where was this SS taken http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#70 ? |
| 22:48.17 | cog|work | Esamynn|Work: that's the outside of ironforge |
| 22:48.23 | batrick | --> a = 0 b = -0 print(a,b) |
| 22:48.23 | batbot | batrick: 0 0 |
| 22:48.26 | cog|work | possibly caverns of time? |
| 22:48.33 | batrick | they didn't fix that either |
| 22:48.38 | Esamynn|Work | cog|work: uhh, try again :P |
| 22:49.09 | Shirik | loch modan |
| 22:49.14 | batrick | that's near wet lands |
| 22:50.08 | Esamynn|Work | really, where? |
| 22:50.23 | Shirik | it's taken in WoW |
| 22:50.41 | Esamynn|Work | ~fail Shirik |
| 22:50.41 | purl | Shirik: Fail. |
| 22:50.50 | Shirik | I still like my statement of loch modan |
| 22:50.57 | Shirik | facing the entrance to Ironforge's area |
| 22:51.35 | cog|work | no, that can't be... |
| 22:52.24 | krka | batrick: that print bug is weird, why does it happen? |
| 22:52.26 | Shirik | why not? |
| 22:52.39 | Shirik | print(-0) |
| 22:52.42 | Shirik | --> print(-0) |
| 22:52.42 | batbot | Shirik: -0 |
| 22:52.44 | Shirik | fun |
| 22:52.49 | Shirik | anyway, cog|work, why not? |
| 22:54.23 | batrick | the parser sees -0 as the same as 0 (and vice versa) so it only loads the first one used |
| 22:54.39 | krka | ah |
| 22:54.46 | batrick | think we talked about this in here a while ago |
| 22:54.55 | cog|work | Shirik: because it slopes downward too far on the left |
| 22:55.16 | batrick | it can't be ironforge because the damn mountain isn't covered with snow |
| 22:55.21 | Esamynn|Work | that too |
| 22:55.29 | Esamynn|Work | I'm going to have to go searching for that location |
| 22:55.37 | batrick | Esamynn|Work: wetlands |
| 22:55.43 | batrick | southern part |
| 22:55.49 | Esamynn|Work | oh? |
| 22:55.54 | batrick | i'm pretty sure |
| 22:55.55 | Esamynn|Work | can you be more specific? |
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| 22:56.13 | batrick | no i can't |
| 22:56.25 | Esamynn|Work | :( |
| 22:56.31 | cog|work | batrick: that's why i thought it was CoT |
| 22:56.40 | cog|work | it does look like the wetlands |
| 22:56.48 | cog|work | perhaps on the flight from menethil to arathi? |
| 22:56.57 | Esamynn|Work | I was just thinking that |
| 22:57.01 | Esamynn|Work | I'll have to check tonight |
| 22:57.17 | cog|work | but it looks like you can walk up there... |
| 22:57.53 | Esamynn|Work | I like to think I can identify the location of pretty much any scenic screenshot |
| 22:58.11 | foxlit | the red dragon place in wetlands? |
| 22:58.27 | foxlit | It's relatively far up, so farclip would eat the ground level |
| 22:58.43 | Esamynn|Work | foxlit: no, it's not that, I'm 90% sure |
| 22:59.01 | Esamynn|Work | but maybe |
| 23:00.01 | clad|sleep | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheSecretDiaryOfSteveJobs/~3/222494134/holy-crap-check-this-out.html |
| 23:00.03 | foxlit | I wonder how closely they screen those screenshots |
| 23:00.03 | clad|sleep | fun stuff |
| 23:00.28 | foxlit | People really need to figure out how to use the title feature properly |
| 23:00.28 | clad|sleep | ohay, goodnight |
| 23:00.34 | foxlit | "holy crap check this out" is not a title |
| 23:00.41 | clad|sleep | well |
| 23:00.43 | clad|sleep | its FSJ |
| 23:01.03 | clad|sleep | that's like every post from him :P |
| 23:01.17 | foxlit | "So we're missing a few hundred thousand iPhones. What's the big deal?" is okay |
| 23:01.39 | foxlit | (in fact, most of the others are non-generic) |
| 23:03.06 | foxlit | Hm, sony ericsson really hates their battery covers |
| 23:03.18 | foxlit | the firmware update process requires you to remove battery... twice. |
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| 23:04.12 | Shirik | Esamynn|Work: ping |
| 23:04.42 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: pong |
| 23:04.54 | Shirik | you do pastey, right? |
| 23:05.10 | Shirik | maybe I'm being stupid |
| 23:05.20 | Esamynn|Work | no, I'm one of the people, yes |
| 23:05.34 | Shirik | Okay.... http://lua.pastey.net/81273 |
| 23:05.37 | Shirik | no code = not fun |
| 23:05.46 | Cidan | woo |
| 23:05.59 | Shirik | I don't know about other browsers, but firefox2 shows no code |
| 23:06.25 | art3mis | ff3 shows it |
| 23:06.35 | clad|sleep | Shirik: vim is used on pastey to color the code |
| 23:06.39 | clad|sleep | and its folding, which is hilarious :P |
| 23:06.44 | clad|sleep | yay for modelines |
| 23:06.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:07.10 | clad|sleep | http://lua.pastey.net/81278 |
| 23:07.26 | Shirik | yeah I managed to get the code |
| 23:07.34 | Shirik | but the fact that it wasn't showing up I figured wasn't right :P |
| 23:08.14 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 23:08.16 | Cidan | Shirik: I forgot to tell you I was bringing the SVN server down today for some maint. If you tried to use it, sorry, :/ |
| 23:08.16 | clad|sleep | thats quite amusing tho |
| 23:08.25 | Shirik | It's ok, if I tried to use it |
| 23:08.25 | art3mis | maybe you had the "Ignore Suhk" addon enabled ;P |
| 23:08.28 | Shirik | my client won't let me! |
| 23:10.15 | Esamynn|Work | vim is cold folding on us! |
| 23:10.18 | Esamynn|Work | ?? |
| 23:10.31 | Shirik | hehe |
| 23:11.51 | batrick | shirik was vim on my server giving u shit? |
| 23:12.25 | Shirik | no why :/ |
| 23:12.34 | Shirik | well aside from "LOL U HAVE NO AXESS" |
| 23:12.42 | batrick | u have plenty! |
| 23:14.11 | Shirik | drwxr-xr-x 2 batrick batrick 4096 2008-01-25 01:32 batbot |
| 23:15.15 | batrick | there happy? |
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| 23:17.36 | Cidan | After 6 years, I have finally reinstalled that damn server. |
| 23:17.39 | Cidan | Christ it was a hack. |
| 23:17.55 | art3mis | how log was yer uptime |
| 23:18.00 | art3mis | since thats all that matters ;P |
| 23:18.09 | Cidan | about half a year |
| 23:18.12 | Cidan | since I moved |
| 23:18.34 | art3mis | we had a machine that had a 1000 day uptime running out bots in #w a few years ago |
| 23:18.42 | art3mis | slack 1.2.41 i think |
| 23:18.42 | Cidan | neat. |
| 23:19.13 | art3mis | 1001 the pwoersupply started whiing and smoking :P |
| 23:19.19 | art3mis | whinning |
| 23:19.21 | art3mis | whining |
| 23:19.36 | art3mis | it was a proud day ;P |
| 23:19.52 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 23:20.21 | Esamynn|Work | WTB vim expert |
| 23:20.30 | art3mis | i expertly say that vim sucks |
| 23:20.41 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart3mis |
| 23:20.41 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 23:20.52 | JoshBorke | just ask |
| 23:20.54 | batrick | Esamynn|Work: i may be able to help you... sup? |
| 23:21.06 | art3mis | dont trust bartrick! |
| 23:21.09 | art3mis | batrick |
| 23:21.09 | Esamynn|Work | how do you disable code folding in vim ? |
| 23:21.17 | art3mis | he's been hanging around shirik and shirik is a haxx0r |
| 23:21.38 | Esamynn|Work | and perferably all other directives (we just want it to do syntax highlighting) |
| 23:22.28 | batrick | :set fold= |
| 23:22.29 | batrick | ? |
| 23:23.35 | Esamynn|Work | in .viminfo ? |
| 23:23.39 | batrick | in vim |
| 23:23.49 | batrick | maynot matter tho |
| 23:23.58 | JoshBorke | not viminfo |
| 23:24.00 | JoshBorke | .vimrc |
| 23:24.10 | JoshBorke | and no : if you put it in vimrc |
| 23:24.25 | Esamynn|Work | ok so |
| 23:24.27 | Esamynn|Work | set fold= |
| 23:24.40 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:24.42 | JoshBorke | fold=none |
| 23:24.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:25.05 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 23:25.08 | Esamynn|Work | now he tells me |
| 23:25.18 | batrick | it work? |
| 23:25.30 | Esamynn|Work | -bash-3.1$ vi .vimrc |
| 23:25.31 | Esamynn|Work | Error detected while processing /srv/www/lighttpd/.vimrc: |
| 23:25.33 | Esamynn|Work | line 1: |
| 23:25.34 | Esamynn|Work | E518: Unknown option: fold=none |
| 23:25.35 | Shirik | For this reason, I’m extending the deadline for submitting the assignment until class time on Wednesday. However, if you deliver the assignment on the original time (midnight tonight) you will get 2 extra points. These PSP assignments are worth 10 points each. |
| 23:25.36 | Esamynn|Work | Press ENTER or type command to continue |
| 23:25.36 | Shirik | woot |
| 23:25.37 | Esamynn|Work | bugger |
| 23:25.49 | Shirik | The project that I haven't even started on |
| 23:25.54 | Shirik | is extended until wednesday |
| 23:27.05 | JoshBorke | http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/fold.html |
| 23:27.29 | batrick | Esamynn|Work: set foldlevel=1 |
| 23:28.30 | Esamynn|Work | didn't do it :( |
| 23:28.31 | art3mis | quick shirik youll get 2 bonus points! |
| 23:28.57 | Shirik | screw that |
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| 23:29.01 | Shirik | I already have a 120% in the class |
| 23:29.04 | art3mis | its bonus points!!! |
| 23:29.12 | art3mis | you can never have enough |
| 23:29.37 | batrick | Esamynn|Work: zR (in vim) |
| 23:29.44 | batrick | then foldlevel should work i think |
| 23:29.51 | Esamynn|Work | will that be saved? |
| 23:29.59 | batrick | i don't really know |
| 23:30.01 | batrick | try it... |
| 23:31.17 | Esamynn|Work | batrick: nada |
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| 23:31.50 | art3mis | http://www.amitu.com/blog/2007/july/vim-python-code-folding-and-my-vimrc |
| 23:37.04 | Esamynn|Work | ahh ha |
| 23:37.09 | Esamynn|Work | I found the problem |
| 23:37.29 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: you're second line was // vim:foldmethod=marker |
| 23:37.37 | Esamynn|Work | so we need to disable vim processing those |
| 23:37.39 | Shirik | not my code, don't get mad at me |
| 23:39.05 | Esamynn|Work | I know, it's still a valid bug |
| 23:40.59 | Esamynn|Work | s/I know/doesn't matter/ |
| 23:43.13 | art3mis | see i told you that he was a haxxor |
| 23:43.20 | Esamynn|Work | ahh ha |
| 23:43.24 | Esamynn|Work | I found a work around |
| 23:43.31 | Esamynn|Work | set foldminlines=999999999 |
| 23:43.32 | art3mis | ban shirik? |
| 23:43.54 | Shirik | Hey batrick, check out this circuit diagram I made in mspaint |
| 23:43.54 | batrick | ban art3mis imo |
| 23:44.18 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart3mis |
| 23:44.19 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 23:44.43 | Esamynn|Work | Shirik: thanks for the heads up, that particular problem shouldn't trouble anyone anymore |
| 23:44.45 | art3mis | no dont ban me |
| 23:44.49 | art3mis | im awesome! |
| 23:45.17 | Esamynn|Work | unless they specify // vim:foldminlines=# in their code, of course :/ |
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| 23:45.25 | Shirik | batrick: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5f6d09c3779ba4e65a1e0fd050f1a184.jpg |
| 23:45.37 | Shirik | (and everyone else) |
| 23:45.47 | batrick | awesome |
| 23:45.51 | Shirik | That will let you turn off the surge protector |
| 23:45.53 | Cidan | "It's a patent for a mobile phone with removable storage, an internet connection, a camera and the ability to download audio or video files. The patent holding firm who has the rights to this patent wasted no time at all. At 12:01am Tuesday morning, it filed three separate lawsuits against just about everyone you can think of, including Apple, Nokia, RIM, Sprint, ATT, HP, Motorola, Helio, HTC, Sony Ericsson, UTStarcomm, Samsung and a bunch of ot |
| 23:46.01 | Cidan | ...sigh |
| 23:46.11 | batrick | i'd need to find an AC high amp transistor |
| 23:46.12 | Shirik | And anything on the same circuit of course, but that's mindless details |
| 23:46.21 | Shirik | and if they don't have a circuit breaker |
| 23:46.34 | Shirik | But anyway, you plug that right into the surge protector |
| 23:46.37 | Shirik | as if it were some other device |
| 23:46.50 | Shirik | and when you send the signal BOOM that'll trip the breaker instantly |
| 23:46.59 | Shirik | Hopefully it doesn't fry the transisor |
| 23:47.05 | Shirik | better get a pretty good one |
| 23:47.11 | batrick | lmao |
| 23:47.27 | batrick | not like there aren't huge safety concerns voer this either |
| 23:47.34 | Shirik | meh |
| 23:47.40 | Shirik | who cares about safety these days |
| 23:47.42 | Shirik | obviously not china |
| 23:48.16 | Shirik | my real solution would work though |
| 23:48.22 | Shirik | It would just be a pain to do |
| 23:48.42 | batrick | i need an AC transistor givve me links lolz |
| 23:49.02 | Shirik | oh I forgot transistors act like diodes |
| 23:49.08 | Shirik | (I don't use AC power much >< ) |
| 23:49.12 | Shirik | Just use two |
| 23:49.12 | batrick | uh |
| 23:49.32 | batrick | don't see how using two helps |
| 23:49.44 | Shirik | one in each direction |
| 23:49.52 | batrick | eh that's cheating |
| 23:49.58 | batrick | i smell electrical fire |
| 23:50.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:50.13 | Shirik | (no I'm not really this bad at EE I'm just messing around atm) |
| 23:51.07 | kergoth | any hunters around with an owl for a pet? |
| 23:52.48 | Shirik | you'll need a relay batrick |
| 23:52.51 | Shirik | instead of a transistor |
| 23:53.32 | batrick | moving parts |
| 23:54.07 | batrick | but very well |
| 23:55.53 | batrick | http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/ProjectR/1200016961118.jpg |
| 23:56.26 | art3mis | i want a reverse scuba suit for my pet goldfish |
| 23:59.53 | batrick | --> _G._G._G._G._G._G |
| 23:59.53 | batbot | batrick: > table: 0x80abb58 |
