| 00:00.09 | cogwheel | Shirik: nah... i just changed the version to something else and then changed it back when i actually uploaded the file |
| 00:00.19 | Shirik | that works :P |
| 00:00.22 | Wobwork | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/15/funny-pictures-welkum-to-mythbusters/ |
| 00:00.31 | Wobwork | skarycat is skary |
| 00:00.54 | Wobwork | also http://images114.fotki.com/v650/photos/3/38685/77650/P5170019-vi.jpg has TOO MANY TOES |
| 00:01.01 | Wobwork | <3 PolydactylCat |
| 00:02.08 | malreth | kitteh! |
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| 00:03.33 | cogwheel | ohai cladhaire |
| 00:04.25 | cladhaire | hai |
| 00:05.24 | cladhaire | not that I ever want bug reports from her on irc |
| 00:05.28 | cladhaire | or anyone really :P |
| 00:05.39 | cladhaire | Oh, and whoever said BT sucked, they were right |
| 00:05.52 | cladhaire | I can't maintain a connection for very long |
| 00:06.27 | cladhaire | perhaps i should set up a bouncer on my office machine, and ssh into it |
| 00:06.31 | Fin | are you talking about British Telecom? |
| 00:06.31 | bleeter | anyone know if the guild vault permission issue still pending a fix in a future patch? |
| 00:06.34 | cladhaire | Fin: yes. |
| 00:06.36 | bleeter | or whether it's fixed now |
| 00:06.44 | Fin | BT sucking is a physical constant of the universe |
| 00:07.00 | Fin | they must suck, or the world folds in on itself |
| 00:07.10 | bleeter | Australia's Telstra sucks more! :P |
| 00:07.19 | Fin | now, we fight |
| 00:07.27 | cogwheel | cladhaire: btw: there's a bug in lightheaded... for some reason it can't tell the difference between quests with the same name |
| 00:07.29 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 00:07.31 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 00:08.00 | Saint-N | happy birthday now you're one year older |
| 00:08.02 | Fin | actually I had a question about LH - does it ignore class specific quests deliberately? they never seem to have any comments. just curious. |
| 00:08.06 | Saint-N | happy birthdayyour life still isnt over |
| 00:08.13 | cladhaire | Fin: class specific quests are given at the level you accept them now |
| 00:08.20 | cladhaire | this causes a problem, since title/level are used as the key for the quest |
| 00:08.23 | cladhaire | since the levels vary, BAM |
| 00:08.30 | Fin | aha |
| 00:08.41 | Fin | I get it, you don't know which set of data to load |
| 00:08.42 | cladhaire | hence my begging for queryable quest ids |
| 00:08.44 | cladhaire | we'll see if i get em |
| 00:08.52 | Fin | good luck! |
| 00:19.40 | bleeter | Wobwork: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/16/2139451.htm |
| 00:20.02 | sdouble | bleeter, is this the previous guild leader to new guild bug you speak of? |
| 00:20.17 | bleeter | Wobwork: basically, if you plan on going anywhere in tasmania outside of hobart or launceston, and want to use a mobile... buy a Telstra branded phone. |
| 00:20.55 | bleeter | sdouble: the bug where permissions for GV access in a former guild would carry over to a new guild |
| 00:21.56 | bleeter | Wobwork: so this chap almost bled to death 'coz his phone wouldn't work like he had been lead to believe, and all Telstra do is blame him for not buying the corerct product. What stuns me is that Telstra's marketers aren't out there working out who's using the 'wrong' phones and trying to sell them 'right' ones |
| 00:22.01 | sdouble | oh, it was any access? |
| 00:22.15 | sdouble | I thought it was just the guild master that was bugged |
| 00:22.38 | bleeter | sdouble: if the previous guild had granted complete access, they'd have compelte access on joining a new guild until the guildmaster forcefully set permissions |
| 00:23.14 | bleeter | sdouble: that's to say, a new guild member won't inherit the default permissions for the rank as set in the new guild, they keep the permissions from their old guild |
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| 00:24.07 | kd3 | woowoo, free 20-slot bags |
| 00:24.23 | bleeter | kd3: where? gief! :P |
| 00:25.01 | kd3 | get to the first boss in ZA |
| 00:25.14 | bleeter | oh, that |
| 00:25.57 | bleeter | did they change it where you can change raid members and still loot the whatsit? I kinda expected that to change in 2.3.2 |
| 00:26.02 | Fin | I thought that was fixed, bleeter? |
| 00:26.14 | kd3 | I zoned into a mostly clear instance and got it |
| 00:26.37 | bleeter | Fin: Put it this way, I'm suprised it's still in the ingame KB, hence I'm curious if it was fixed or not |
| 00:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Er. Random fact. |
| 00:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=aapl&d=t |
| 00:27.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Apple stock dropped $9.74 today. |
| 00:27.18 | bleeter | their stock price went down |
| 00:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... how? |
| 00:27.30 | bleeter | yeah, 'coz Jobs didn't say anything the rumour mill hadn't been saying for two months |
| 00:27.52 | Thunder_Child | because of air |
| 00:27.58 | Thunder_Child | and the lack of a 13in. MBP |
| 00:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll be honest, putting a hard drive in a white plastic shell and giving it wifi screams "GIVE US YOUR MONEY" |
| 00:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | But I would have though that people liked the MBA... |
| 00:28.33 | Thunder_Child | thin white plastic shell |
| 00:28.46 | Thunder_Child | very thin... |
| 00:29.19 | bleeter | I'm looking forward to the 'ways to break your air' videos |
| 00:29.21 | bleeter | ... |
| 00:29.24 | bleeter | WILL IT BLEND?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 00:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 00:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, just see the /. tag? |
| 00:29.33 | Thunder_Child | no, it's to big to fit in |
| 00:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Pfft, it is NOT too big to fit! |
| 00:29.42 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/345162/how-slim-is-the-macbook-air |
| 00:29.56 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: they make the blenders, maybe he can make a bigger blender ;) |
| 00:30.18 | Lunessa | I'm thinking a large disk and/or disk array in a case with wifi for small networks would probably be a very very popular item. |
| 00:30.25 | sdouble | there's been an awful lot of talk about the macbook air, did it just come out today or something? |
| 00:30.35 | bleeter | and once again, of course, the english get screwed over in the Apple pricing |
| 00:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: yeah, it's called a SAN with a wifi card. :) |
| 00:30.51 | bleeter | sdouble: annoucned at macworld, or whatever, by jobs.. yeah |
| 00:31.26 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, if thats not a low power/range on the wifi it's not going to work for a secure envirnment |
| 00:31.49 | bleeter | "The 1.8GHz, 64GB SSD model will cost £2028/$3098. ... That $3098 equates to £1571 at today's exchange rate. Even allowing for UK sales tax, that's a rum deal for Brits." |
| 00:31.49 | Thunder_Child | legal wifi signal interception ftw |
| 00:32.07 | Lunessa | Yeah, true - but still I can imagine it as having many uses in the home. |
| 00:32.40 | Lunessa | Store videos, music, etc... |
| 00:33.01 | Fin | bleeter: ingame KB? |
| 00:33.05 | Lunessa | So you can listen to them on your MP3 enabled blender and washing machines. |
| 00:33.06 | Fin | enlighten me |
| 00:33.10 | Thunder_Child | home ya, buisness, not so sure |
| 00:34.50 | bleeter | Fin: ingame knowledge base, press the red question mark, type 'vault' and then search. issue #1 |
| 00:35.21 | Fin | ahh |
| 00:35.30 | Fin | I have not explored that at all |
| 00:35.45 | Fin | I feel like I should have, now |
| 00:38.21 | cladhaire | Compatable with Curse Client |
| 00:38.21 | cladhaire | do you think you could make this compatable with the curse client for easy updating or move your uploading to there site this is really good mod just sucks havng to come here every few days to update it. |
| 00:38.35 | cladhaire | My response: |
| 00:38.35 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.35 | cladhaire | There is no need to update an addon that hasn't been updated. |
| 00:38.47 | cladhaire | there's an "I" at the start of that response. |
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| 00:43.20 | Shirik | lies |
| 00:43.21 | sdouble | cladhaire, can you make that compatable with the wowace updater? |
| 00:43.28 | Shirik | cladhaire, you're talking in a different channel, you're not in the shower |
| 00:43.33 | Shirik | at least I hope not, otherwise you'll probably kill yourself |
| 00:43.39 | cladhaire | FU! |
| 00:43.41 | cladhaire | how do you know? |
| 00:43.43 | cladhaire | baggies |
| 00:43.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Noooooo |
| 00:43.45 | cladhaire | fucking nub |
| 00:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | He's going to die :( |
| 00:45.31 | Lunessa | ZOMG - cladhaire wears baggies. |
| 00:46.22 | Wobwork | bleeter: jesus =\ |
| 00:47.11 | Wobwork | rofl |
| 00:47.16 | Wobwork | I can irc from my iTouch |
| 00:47.32 | Wobwork | although it'd be next to impossible to actually say anything really =P |
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| 00:56.24 | Beladona | you running 1.1.3 Wobwork? |
| 00:57.20 | Thrae|Work | Wobwork: I PuTTY from my PPC6800 all the time, sometimes using irssi through screen |
| 00:57.40 | Thrae|Work | Of course, the PPC6800 has a slide-out QWERTY keyboard |
| 00:59.08 | clad|sleep | wonder how long it'll take me to get d/c |
| 00:59.12 | clad|sleep | oh well |
| 00:59.14 | clad|sleep | night all |
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| 01:14.52 | batrick | irssi + screen is the only way to irc :) |
| 01:16.12 | Codayus | True |
| 01:16.58 | Wobwork | Beladona: No, 1.1.2 |
| 01:17.05 | Wobwork | 1.1.3 hasn't been jailbroken yet |
| 01:17.07 | Wobwork | afaik |
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| 01:19.10 | Beladona | nah, thats why I asked |
| 01:19.20 | Beladona | was hoping you knew something I didn't |
| 01:20.06 | clad|sleep | wish me luck on the whole sleeping thing |
| 01:20.07 | Wobwork | ^^ |
| 01:20.11 | Wobwork | Good luck! |
| 01:20.20 | clad|sleep | new house, stuff strewn about |
| 01:20.31 | clad|sleep | night all |
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| 01:43.07 | AnduinLothar | wow, apple got intel to custom build a processor that's half the size for it's latest laptop, thats like cheating |
| 01:43.43 | MentalPower | they did the same for the AppleTV |
| 01:45.28 | Lunessa | that's called marketing. |
| 01:46.47 | Thrae|Work | It's cheating to reduce Microsoft's strangehold on Intel? :D |
| 01:47.02 | Thrae|Work | s#strangehold#stranglehold#, though both work |
| 01:49.52 | Lunessa | "I love correcting people, especially myself, so I have to be wrong sometimes lest I never satisfy that urge. ;)" ~cogwheel |
| 01:49.52 | AnduinLothar | hmm, from the pic it looks liek they just changed the size of the board, not the chip, so i guess that's not quite as cheating |
| 01:51.35 | AnduinLothar | wait a sec... that thing doesn't have a cd/dvd drive |
| 01:52.02 | AnduinLothar | bluetooth cdrom sharing >.< |
| 01:52.07 | Thrae|Work | Who needs an internal DVD drive, everything's external |
| 01:52.22 | AnduinLothar | i spose. |
| 01:52.34 | Thrae|Work | Make the LCD external! The keyboard external! The motherboard external! You just carry around the processor and assemble it as-needed. |
| 01:52.37 | art3mis | external on a notebook is retarded and annoying |
| 01:52.48 | art3mis | particularly since "ripping" dvds is illegal |
| 01:59.57 | AnduinLothar | hmm, apple stock doubled last yr |
| 02:00.07 | bleeter | I still wanna see the Air blended |
| 02:00.28 | bleeter | and yes, I've filed a request @ willitblend.com |
| 02:01.32 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 02:03.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | ripping dvd's isn't illegal |
| 02:03.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | selling/distributing the ripped versions sure is, though |
| 02:03.31 | art3mis | Mr_Rabies2: not if the riaa and mpaa have thier way |
| 02:03.37 | kd3 | breaking CSS in order to rip DVDs is still illegal |
| 02:03.53 | art3mis | they're actually trying to claim that making mp3 copies of songs is illegal because it's NOT the form it was orginally distributed in |
| 02:04.20 | art3mis | keep in mind this is of cd's taht you already purchased and own |
| 02:04.32 | Thrae|Work | The DCMA is the only document that really covers this, and it's very vague, so it can be interpreted to mean what art3mis is talking about. |
| 02:04.36 | art3mis | not signed out from the usenet library |
| 02:05.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | thrae: but there's plenty of other legal precedent setting it in the opposite direction |
| 02:05.22 | art3mis | Thrae|Work: there was an article a little bit ago(about a week) about a girl being sued by the riaa for that exact reason |
| 02:05.40 | Thrae|Work | Mr_Rabies2: None of that is federal yet |
| 02:05.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Recording_Act |
| 02:06.20 | MentalPower | Mr_Rabies2: the DMCA is above the HRA |
| 02:06.26 | MentalPower | since it came after |
| 02:06.41 | art3mis | the HRA still applies in .ca though |
| 02:06.46 | MentalPower | true |
| 02:06.51 | art3mis | where fairuse still reigns king |
| 02:06.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | so nero's illegal? |
| 02:06.58 | art3mis | technically no |
| 02:07.00 | art3mis | and technically yes |
| 02:07.01 | MentalPower | does .ca not have a DMCA equivalent? |
| 02:07.05 | art3mis | MentalPower: nope |
| 02:07.09 | art3mis | fairuse baby |
| 02:07.14 | MentalPower | art3mis: lucky bastard |
| 02:07.22 | art3mis | thats why most torrent sites are in .ca waters |
| 02:07.28 | art3mis | if not euro |
| 02:07.40 | kd3 | funny how they keep trying to drop a $70 tax on iPods, though |
| 02:07.50 | art3mis | nero is illegal IF you rip things that you dont own the rights to |
| 02:07.54 | MentalPower | Sweden is also popular for torrent sites |
| 02:08.03 | art3mis | its not illegal if you use it to author things you've created |
| 02:08.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | art3mis |
| 02:08.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | the CRIA is why demonoid shut down |
| 02:08.23 | art3mis | sorta |
| 02:08.27 | art3mis | they pulled a sneaky |
| 02:08.37 | art3mis | they empty threatened the provider |
| 02:08.42 | art3mis | and the provider caved |
| 02:09.07 | Thrae|Work | Did I flood out? |
| 02:09.16 | art3mis | you didnt DC |
| 02:09.22 | art3mis | but you didnt say anything either |
| 02:09.44 | Thrae|Work | "A CD-R recorder included as part of a personal computer would not be a digital audio recording device under the Act, since the personal computer was not marketed primarily for making copies of music." |
| 02:09.45 | Wobwork | art3mis: yowhut? |
| 02:09.48 | Thrae|Work | "The same recorder, sold as a peripheral and marketed for the express purpose of making digital audio recordings, would fall under the Act's definition of a recording device." |
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| 02:10.08 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 02:10.28 | art3mis | Wobwork: i poked youz in da faces with a squirrel |
| 02:10.42 | Thrae|Work | "For digital audio recording devices, manufacturers and importers pay a 2% royalty on the device's transfer price, with a minimum royalty of $1 and a maximum of $8 ($12 for dual recorders) per device." |
| 02:10.51 | Thrae|Work | "For digital audio recording media, manufacturers and importers pay a 3% royalty." |
| 02:10.57 | Thrae|Work | This AHRA doesn' |
| 02:11.06 | Thrae|Work | doesn't have anything to do with MP3s. |
| 02:11.29 | Thrae|Work | It's pretty specific. |
| 02:11.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | not that it matters to me, i'm never buying another cd again |
| 02:11.59 | art3mis | you'll still pay |
| 02:12.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | the RIAA has lost a customer for life until something major changes |
| 02:12.05 | art3mis | for every blank you buy ;P |
| 02:12.22 | Thrae|Work | I pay for my Internet connection -- that's enough expense for me! |
| 02:12.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's in canada i thought |
| 02:12.30 | Wobwork | art3mis: so you did |
| 02:12.38 | art3mis | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html |
| 02:12.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus i rarely burn mine anyway |
| 02:12.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | it stays in digital format |
| 02:12.44 | art3mis | ^^ what i was talking about earlier |
| 02:13.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's roughly 90% of the us with computers i'd say |
| 02:13.19 | Thrae|Work | Demonoid should be re-opened in, like, Denmark and just ban Canada. |
| 02:13.35 | art3mis | thrae: ca WAS banned from demonid |
| 02:14.10 | Thrae|Work | But the Demonoid server was located in Canada, right? |
| 02:14.32 | Thrae|Work | Or I should say, the owner/maintainer of the server at least. |
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| 02:20.27 | art3mis | yeah i believe so |
| 02:22.12 | tecnobrat | lol |
| 02:22.16 | tecnobrat | why ban Canada? |
| 02:22.31 | Thrae|Work | "Ban Canada, Ban Canada...." |
| 02:23.12 | art3mis | if you ban the country you're in you can subvert any laws about it in grey area |
| 02:23.18 | art3mis | akin to the sat rules |
| 02:23.33 | art3mis | bellvu you can "hack" in the us ecause it doesnt have jusidiction here |
| 02:23.41 | art3mis | ditto for dtv and dish in .ca |
| 02:23.45 | Shirik | That's a very complicated statement |
| 02:23.48 | art3mis | thee is NOTHING they can do about it |
| 02:23.50 | TecnoBrat | There is a presidence in Canada that its not illegal to share files |
| 02:23.53 | Shirik | Don't say "nothing" |
| 02:23.59 | Shirik | Because that doesn't tell the full story |
| 02:24.03 | TecnoBrat | So I'm confused why you would ban Canada |
| 02:24.16 | art3mis | shirik: it's been talked and discussed with law enforcement |
| 02:24.20 | Shirik | Yes it has |
| 02:24.22 | art3mis | the only legallity is on the dealers |
| 02:24.28 | art3mis | im talking end user |
| 02:24.40 | TecnoBrat | "Sharing copyrighted works on peer-to-peer networks is legal in Canada, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday, handing the record industry a sharp setback in its international fight against file swappers." |
| 02:24.47 | TecnoBrat | Thats what I'm talking about btw |
| 02:25.03 | art3mis | and thats a very iffy thing seeing as how it has to be proven that the hardware being sold "can hack" the local country |
| 02:25.34 | art3mis | dish == bev for all intent and purpose |
| 02:25.47 | Thrae|Work | Wait, Canada doesn't have federal judges, they're a democracy with a central government |
| 02:26.05 | art3mis | however dtv is different enough to not suffer(despite the fact that they almost successfully shutdown the dtv hacked market with thier p4 encryption |
| 02:26.37 | art3mis | i dont know why someone would want dish of dtv if they've got bev though |
| 02:26.41 | art3mis | bev porn > * |
| 02:26.42 | Thrae|Work | Canada's provinces are federated? I thought you had to be a republic for that. |
| 02:26.42 | art3mis | ;) |
| 02:27.38 | TecnoBrat | Thrae|Work, what? |
| 02:27.51 | TecnoBrat | Are you being serious? or what |
| 02:28.10 | TecnoBrat | because, yes, we have a federal court. |
| 02:28.44 | Thrae|Work | Well I didn't know Canada's provinces were federated. I thought everything was run by the central government. |
| 02:28.55 | TecnoBrat | No |
| 02:29.02 | TecnoBrat | We have provincial governments |
| 02:29.06 | Thrae|Work | So the provinces can pass their own laws? |
| 02:29.09 | TecnoBrat | And provincial courts |
| 02:29.16 | TecnoBrat | Some, yes |
| 02:29.33 | Thrae|Work | Canada should be the United Provinces of America. |
| 02:30.05 | Thrae|Work | That's what the USA will rename them when we take them over in 2050 for their oil. |
| 02:30.39 | Thrae|Work | Anyway, that's not exactly a democracy...need to look up what it is. |
| 02:30.57 | TecnoBrat | huh? |
| 02:31.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2050, that's pretty optimistic |
| 02:31.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | the way things are going i see that happening by november |
| 02:31.54 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: to prolly confuse you more, Australia is a Federation, a Commonwealth, a Democracy as well as having a Monarchy ;) |
| 02:32.38 | Thrae|Work | Australia is a Commonwealth of whom? |
| 02:32.55 | bleeter | the States |
| 02:33.19 | TecnoBrat | We elect provincial premiers of each province |
| 02:33.25 | bleeter | in 1901, the states federates and became a commonwealth |
| 02:33.31 | bleeter | *federated |
| 02:33.51 | bleeter | prolyl more correctly, the states became a federation, forming the commonwealth |
| 02:34.11 | bleeter | TecnoBrat: sounds similar to our state/federal system |
| 02:34.20 | TecnoBrat | it is ... |
| 02:34.57 | Thrae|Work | Ah, Canada is a democracy, it's just federated as well, along with a constitutional monarchy. I got confused because I thought federation required a republic, but that's not the case. |
| 02:35.48 | TecnoBrat | Monarchy? haha |
| 02:36.25 | Thrae|Work | Canada has a constitutional monarchy with Queen Elizabeth the Second as Head of State. |
| 02:36.46 | TecnoBrat | With no offical power at all. |
| 02:36.51 | bleeter | I'll give the Commonwealth's Monarchy system one thing, at least the loonies in charge of us (a) have stuff all power (b) can be seen coming from about 20-30 years off |
| 02:37.01 | Thrae|Work | No, I think she has the power to declare war, same in England. |
| 02:37.06 | TecnoBrat | No, she doesn't |
| 02:37.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | with what? |
| 02:37.19 | bleeter | Not in .au either |
| 02:37.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | lumberjacks? |
| 02:37.26 | Thrae|Work | Well, it's still a constitutional monarchy, even without official power. |
| 02:37.33 | MentalPower | england's queen can declare war? |
| 02:37.45 | bleeter | MentalPower: most heads of state can |
| 02:37.51 | Thrae|Work | Yes, England's Queen can declare war. |
| 02:37.54 | MentalPower | with what army? |
| 02:38.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | soccer hooligans |
| 02:38.31 | MentalPower | I declare myself king of my desk, and I declare war against bleeter's desk! |
| 02:38.38 | bleeter | from memory, she could declare war, but the formal executive could over-ride her |
| 02:38.44 | Thrae|Work | Mr_Rabies2: Can the Queen appoint a temporary Prime Minister if there's a deadlock in the Parliament, like Belgium did? |
| 02:38.55 | bleeter | ie, the governer-general, prime minister and a couple of other ministers |
| 02:38.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell if i know |
| 02:39.06 | Thrae|Work | I bet she can |
| 02:39.21 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: typically that'd be done by the Governor General, in consultation with all major parties |
| 02:39.38 | bleeter | ie, the Queen herself would stay out of it, her representitive would handle it |
| 02:39.46 | Thrae|Work | Right |
| 02:39.46 | MentalPower | bleeter: this willitblend.com website is so friggin nuts |
| 02:39.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not a huge fan of the whole "appointed prime minister" concept personally, on a tangent |
| 02:40.10 | Thrae|Work | Mr_Rabies2: It sure saved Belgium's ass |
| 02:40.21 | Thrae|Work | They were close to civil war |
| 02:40.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd prefer an election to an appointment for a position like that, but i don't give a damn since i don't live there |
| 02:41.29 | Thrae|Work | The problem is, if the parliament is split, wouldn't the election also be split? Since the parliament represents the votes of the people. Supposedly. |
| 02:41.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | not at all |
| 02:41.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | just like the electoral college represents the votes of the people |
| 02:41.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | (not at all) |
| 02:42.27 | Thrae|Work | Yeah, forgot about Canadian's nefarious Shadow Government run by the French Canadians. |
| 02:42.34 | kd3 | but it's our only safeguard from a direct democracy, which scared the living hell out of the founding fathers |
| 02:43.02 | Shirik | I don't remember the last time the electoral college went against the votes of the people |
| 02:43.06 | Thrae|Work | kd3: A constitutional republic wasn't that bad of an idea |
| 02:43.13 | Shirik | They really should just get rid of that idea |
| 02:43.16 | Shirik | it's kinda pointless |
| 02:43.56 | Thrae|Work | Shirik: 2001, Al Gore vs Bush -- Al Gore won the Popular Vote but lost the election from the Electoral College's tabulation |
| 02:43.58 | TecnoBrat | The only difference is we vote for a local running candidate, who gets a seat in the Provincial govt, which at the same time votes for the Premier |
| 02:44.00 | _sysrage | did showing of buffs in a raid get screwed up globally or is it just SRF? like if another mage gives people int, i can't see it anymore in SRF |
| 02:44.04 | TecnoBrat | Same thing with our federal govt |
| 02:44.13 | Shirik | that's not the same thing |
| 02:44.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's still not representing the votes of the people |
| 02:44.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | not accurately at least |
| 02:44.37 | TecnoBrat | voting for the local MP gives a vote to his party and also the leader |
| 02:44.45 | Thrae|Work | The popular vote is closer to the "vote of the people" then the electoral college |
| 02:45.08 | TecnoBrat | yea, I'm just saying how its done thats all |
| 02:45.12 | _sysrage | anybody? beuller? |
| 02:45.28 | Shirik | I'm talking about literally the electoral college going against the votes of the people, which is possible, it just doesn't happen |
| 02:45.38 | Thrae|Work | _sysrage: The only raid frames I would ever use are PerfectRaid or Grid |
| 02:45.41 | kd3 | do /you/ trust the "vote of the people" the average intelligence of the majority of the population scare me |
| 02:45.52 | _sysrage | fine, does praid show you buffs? |
| 02:45.57 | Thrae|Work | Yes |
| 02:45.58 | Shirik | kd3, it doesn't matter |
| 02:45.59 | kd3 | _sysrage, there've been several reports of buff filtering getting screwed up in 2.3.2, but I haven't heard any more than that |
| 02:46.01 | Shirik | Bush still got elected |
| 02:46.11 | _sysrage | kd3: ty |
| 02:46.21 | Thrae|Work | kd3: Go see the movie Idiocracy |
| 02:47.15 | Thrae|Work | Or I should say, rent it |
| 02:48.04 | Kirkburn | Question - was this change in 2.3.2? http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.3 |
| 02:49.29 | Lunessa | *shrug* Direct democracy - 1 person, one direct vote all all things - doesn't work with out an amazing communications system and factual reporting of all information available to all parties who are equally capable of rational thought. Thus, representational republics will be the major for of "democracy" that we see for a while. |
| 02:49.51 | Kirkburn | ("Fixed function calls in Bindings.xml." being the direct quote) |
| 02:51.15 | TecnoBrat | lol, check this out |
| 02:51.15 | TecnoBrat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election%2C_1988 |
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| 02:51.33 | TecnoBrat | look at the popular vote vs number of seats |
| 02:52.06 | TecnoBrat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election%2C_1979 |
| 02:52.11 | TecnoBrat | ^^ Popular vote lost |
| 03:00.34 | Kirkburn | TecnoBrat, er, are you sure? |
| 03:01.15 | TecnoBrat | Kirkburn, am I sure what? |
| 03:01.21 | TecnoBrat | Am I sure thats correct? |
| 03:01.24 | Kirkburn | Oh, different link |
| 03:02.06 | Kirkburn | Yeah, that could happen in the UK too |
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| 03:02.27 | TecnoBrat | yea, its happened in Canada a few times I am pretty sure |
| 03:02.44 | Kirkburn | I guess such is always the effect of different populations in voting areas |
| 03:03.23 | Kirkburn | Hmm, in fact, even if that weren't true, it could still happen |
| 03:03.26 | Kirkburn | Yay democracy :P |
| 03:03.44 | TecnoBrat | yep |
| 03:04.00 | TecnoBrat | even if the areas had an identical population |
| 03:04.37 | Kirkburn | You'd need quite a weird system to fix it (so the overall govt and local govt are both representative), but it'd be confusing and probably still wouldn't work |
| 03:04.58 | TecnoBrat | say there is 3 areas, one is a landslide 99% vote to party A, and the other two are 51% vs 49% for party B, party B wins 2 seats, party A wins 1 |
| 03:05.06 | TecnoBrat | But party A has a lot more votes |
| 03:05.27 | TecnoBrat | Heh yea. |
| 03:05.32 | TecnoBrat | I don't know about the UK govt |
| 03:05.49 | TecnoBrat | but the CA govt really focuses on the HoC, and not the prime minister |
| 03:05.57 | TecnoBrat | at least as far as making decisions go |
| 03:06.03 | Kirkburn | I mean, you just have to look at Italy to see how proportional representation gets on (50 govts since WW2 last I recall) |
| 03:07.47 | bleeter | Kirkburn: meh, we do fine here with proportional voting, only had one thing approaching a crisis since WW2 |
| 03:08.05 | bleeter | Kirkburn: mind you were use Hare-Clake proportional, rather than the other systems which all seem whack to me |
| 03:08.13 | bleeter | *Hare-Clark |
| 03:08.52 | bleeter | (prolly 'best' known as STV, although strictly not what we have here, tho we were the first to use it iirc) |
| 03:09.25 | bleeter | a variant's also used for our senate |
| 03:09.34 | TecnoBrat | a what? |
| 03:09.49 | bleeter | Hare-Clark/STV voting system |
| 03:09.59 | TecnoBrat | is that like DKP? :PP |
| 03:10.05 | TecnoBrat | DKP in STV |
| 03:10.06 | bleeter | this was as rebuttal to Kirkburn's comments about proportional voting |
| 03:10.08 | TecnoBrat | that sounds strange |
| 03:10.14 | Fin | normal people do not know this much detail about voting systems |
| 03:10.18 | bleeter | bah :P |
| 03:10.19 | Fin | that is all. |
| 03:10.26 | bleeter | Single Transferrable Vote |
| 03:10.30 | TecnoBrat | bleeter, I'll have to go read about it |
| 03:10.35 | Kirkburn | me too :) |
| 03:10.41 | bleeter | just wiki for Hare-Clark |
| 03:10.49 | bleeter | will redirect you |
| 03:11.02 | TecnoBrat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote |
| 03:11.36 | bleeter | "Tasmanian House of Assembly to be the first parliament in the world elected by what became known as the Hare-Clark system" ;) |
| 03:11.56 | TecnoBrat | Oh interesting |
| 03:12.08 | TecnoBrat | In STV, each voter ranks the list of candidates in order of preference. In other words (under the most common ballot design), they place a '1' beside their most preferred candidate, a '2' beside their second most preferred, and so on. |
| 03:12.13 | TecnoBrat | Weird |
| 03:12.13 | bleeter | think we were also amongst the first parliaments to allow women to vote for it |
| 03:12.14 | TecnoBrat | hehe |
| 03:12.46 | TecnoBrat | how do you weight those? |
| 03:13.33 | bleeter | if no-one has 50%+1 of primary votes, then the person with lowest primary votes has their votes recounted, and the 2nd preference is given |
| 03:14.05 | bleeter | ie, the vote gets transferred from whoever was the primary preference, but got the least total primaries, to whomever is indicated as the 2nd preference on the vote |
| 03:14.12 | bleeter | so on and so forth until 50%+1 is reached |
| 03:14.57 | Shirik | That's somewhat like what's going on in the US dem primaries this year |
| 03:15.17 | bleeter | I think it's roxor. if the guy I prefer misses out, then I still can kinda have a say |
| 03:16.41 | Thrae|Work | Huckabee / Colbert '08 |
| 03:16.54 | bleeter | Shirik: oddly enough, what was implemented in Tasmania was, to some degree, a reaction to what Clark saw as the failings of the US democratic system |
| 03:17.18 | bleeter | Hogger '08 |
| 03:17.56 | Thrae|Work | I thought they attempted a democracy in Tasmania. |
| 03:18.01 | TecnoBrat | dude, that makes no sense to me |
| 03:18.09 | TecnoBrat | you end up giving votes to random people? |
| 03:18.17 | bleeter | not random |
| 03:18.35 | bleeter | there's say, 8 candidates.. I mark in order of my preference 1 through to 8 |
| 03:18.47 | TecnoBrat | All of his votes have Carter as the next-place choice, and are reallocated to Carter. This gives Carter 20 votes and he is elected, filling the second seat. |
| 03:19.22 | Thrae|Work | The US -- the leader in spreading democracy around the World, despite the fact we're not a democracy. |
| 03:19.28 | TecnoBrat | LOL |
| 03:19.35 | _sysrage | WWS doesn't tell you how many growths gruul goes through? |
| 03:19.58 | Thrae|Work | Iraq would work much better at least federated, but the US won't hear of it. |
| 03:20.28 | bleeter | Iraq would be a lot better off if FDR had listened to Churchill during WW2 instead of sucking up to Stalin |
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| 03:21.18 | Lunessa | the world would have been a better place bleeter. |
| 03:21.20 | TecnoBrat | My question is this. If you asked the UN where the terrorists were, what would they say? |
| 03:21.34 | TecnoBrat | Would they have said Iraq? |
| 03:21.45 | TecnoBrat | Would they of said Iraq had WMD? |
| 03:21.57 | TecnoBrat | actually, infact they said they didn't have either |
| 03:22.01 | TecnoBrat | *boggle* |
| 03:22.22 | bleeter | TecnoBrat: they were asked, they said Afghanistan. Further, they said that if the US invaded Iraq, it'd bring the terrorists to Iraq and more than likely put Iraq's bioweapons experts into the hands of the terrorists |
| 03:22.45 | TecnoBrat | bleeter, heh, exactly. |
| 03:23.04 | Thrae|Work | The excuse used by the administration for going into Iraq was the word of a taxi cab driver in Germany. |
| 03:23.22 | TecnoBrat | Thrae|Work, oh I gotta hear this one. |
| 03:23.23 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: but but but... HE DROVE A MERC!!! |
| 03:23.53 | TecnoBrat | bleeter, the UN still says they are in Afganistan :P |
| 03:23.53 | Thrae|Work | Whom the German Intelligence (?!) Agency told the CIA that he wasn't credible, and the CIA told the administration what the Germans told them. |
| 03:24.00 | bleeter | (well, I'm guessing that... based on my personal experience that every taxi in .de seemed to be a merc) |
| 03:24.24 | Thrae|Work | TechnoBrat: Some guy made a book on the guy. |
| 03:24.25 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: not to forget the UK bioweapons expert who (may have) taken his own life |
| 03:24.48 | TecnoBrat | Thrae|Work, haha |
| 03:25.20 | Thrae|Work | Worse yet, no one knows who the guy really is. I don't think the German Intelligence Agency was able to find out his real name. He just kinda disappeared after saying that Iraq has bioweapons. |
| 03:25.55 | TecnoBrat | LOL |
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| 03:26.17 | Thrae|Work | I first heard it on the Daily Show. |
| 03:26.36 | Thrae|Work | They interviewed the guy who wrote the book about the guy....no wait. It was the Colbert Report. |
| 03:26.44 | TecnoBrat | What boggles my mind is that the US is going to probably end up attacking Iran, already attacked Iraq, yet the UN still claims without a doubt that the terrorists are in Afganistan |
| 03:27.10 | TecnoBrat | War on terror my ass |
| 03:27.11 | Thrae|Work | The US is still engaged in Afganistan |
| 03:27.13 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: from memory, and I dunno if I'm referring to the same guy, one of the people offering 'evidence' was someone from the 'iraq opposition', who allegedly had been funded by the US |
| 03:27.30 | bleeter | ie, self interest in spreading FUD |
| 03:27.33 | kd3 | I'm just worried that we're 'accidentally' going to glass that whole part of the continent and set off WWIII |
| 03:28.10 | Thrae|Work | kd3: Uh, if we killed off everyone in the Middle East, there wouldn't be anyone with the guts to attack the US |
| 03:28.52 | Thrae|Work | Who would attack us then? France? |
| 03:28.55 | bleeter | kd3: far as I can tell, 'the war on terror' IS ww3 |
| 03:29.02 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: Hugo Chavez.. doh! :P |
| 03:29.20 | Thrae|Work | Hugo Chavez is losing power |
| 03:29.40 | bleeter | there's be a buncha folks in Asia, South America, Africa... etc. |
| 03:29.52 | bleeter | just like there are right now |
| 03:30.12 | Thrae|Work | OK, I could see China, and only China, starting WW3 |
| 03:30.43 | bleeter | why would they need to? they won the cold war, after all (along with india) |
| 03:31.02 | bleeter | :P |
| 03:31.04 | Thrae|Work | They could do real damage, even just to the US's economy |
| 03:31.23 | bleeter | they don't need to fire a weapon, they've got buckets of $USD in their own banks |
| 03:31.31 | Thrae|Work | China wasn't part of the Cold War, it wasn't the "Cold World War" |
| 03:32.43 | bleeter | um, China was part of the cold war |
| 03:32.58 | bleeter | US/Europe and allies on one side, Russia/China and their allies on the other |
| 03:33.06 | bleeter | China wasn't behind the Iron Curtain, though |
| 03:33.18 | bleeter | in the definition that Churchill/Goebbels meant |
| 03:34.09 | Thrae|Work | The Cold War was mainly between the United States and the Soviet Union -- the goal of the war was to make the Soviet Union fall. |
| 03:35.23 | bleeter | d/mainly/, s/Soviet Union/'those places called communist countries'/ |
| 03:35.31 | Thrae|Work | In the American Revolution, German mercenaries were on the side of England, yet beating Germany was not a requirement for the Revolutionaries |
| 03:35.50 | bleeter | oops, scratch that.. nm |
| 03:35.59 | bleeter | trying to do 6 things at once ftl! |
| 03:36.33 | Thrae|Work | That's not the Codl War, that was the War on Communism. They had different goals and different timelines, which did intersect. |
| 03:37.08 | ckknight | Thrae|Work: someone can start WW3 and not be a big player, imo |
| 03:37.43 | ckknight | if, for instance, some country fires a nuke on someone else, China picks sides, Russia picks sides, America picks sides, assorted others pick or stay out of it |
| 03:37.57 | ckknight | bam, WW3 between the supernations |
| 03:38.06 | Thrae|Work | ckknight: Well by Chaos Theory that's certainly true, but for a World War to really get started, you need major players. |
| 03:38.08 | ckknight | with the original contender having little involvement |
| 03:38.08 | Fin | hey don't forget that great stuff with the US secretary of defence holding up obviously fake reports and little vials |
| 03:38.19 | ckknight | Thrae|Work: not so with WW1 |
| 03:38.34 | Thrae|Work | WW1 didn't have major countries fighting each other? News to me. |
| 03:38.45 | ckknight | not to initialize it |
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| 03:38.54 | TecnoBrat | I know I keep coming back to this, but what I can't believe is that there is 150k+ US troops in Iraq, and 26k US troops in Afghanistan, yet the Taliban are constantly attacking, and the Afganistan govt is embracing help to remove the terrorists from their country .. boggles my mind. has nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism |
| 03:39.36 | Thrae|Work | I didn't say a cause of a World War couldn't be attributed to something else, I said for a World War to really be a World War, it needs major players. |
| 03:39.39 | ckknight | it arguably has to do with terrorism, granted, I'm appalled at the first 5 years of the Iraq war. I think it was a tragedy |
| 03:40.33 | Thrae|Work | We can't leave Iraq until it's stable, and Iraq won't be stable until we leave. |
| 03:40.44 | ckknight | I disagree with that statement |
| 03:40.51 | ckknight | particularly the latter part |
| 03:41.01 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: name me one major country atm that isn't involved in 'the war on terrorism' to some degree |
| 03:41.07 | ckknight | it'll have issues when we leave, but eventually become stable, it'll just take a while |
| 03:41.16 | ckknight | take a while whether we stay or leave |
| 03:41.35 | Thrae|Work | bleeter: You can't have a world war on various sectarian groups. |
| 03:41.49 | ckknight | oh, there won't be a world war if we leave |
| 03:41.54 | ckknight | a middle east war, yes |
| 03:42.13 | Thrae|Work | ckknight: bleeter was saying the "War on Terror" is "World War III" |
| 03:42.14 | ckknight | on a lighter note, Romney won Michigan |
| 03:42.23 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: that's a far more accurate statement, even if 'various sectarians' get lumped together as 'those pesky terrorists' ;) |
| 03:42.41 | bleeter | ckknight: mid-east war's been going on for centuries before the US became a republic ;) |
| 03:43.00 | ckknight | bleeter: since around 650 AD, if I have my numbers straight |
| 03:43.07 | ckknight | :-P |
| 03:44.08 | Thrae|Work | ckknight: Well, "stability" is a relative term. As long as the US Soldiers are in Iraq, part of Iraq's stability will depend, at least in some tiny part, on the soldiers. |
| 03:44.10 | bleeter | hah, according to Wikipedia, 'Cold War' was first used to describe the existance of Islam and Christianity in Spain in 13th century |
| 03:44.22 | ckknight | Thrae|Work: absolutely no rebuttal to that statement |
| 03:44.25 | bleeter | as in, the phrase was used in the 13th century |
| 03:44.39 | ckknight | bleeter: hehe, yea, lousy Moors. |
| 03:45.29 | Thrae|Work | ckknight: But the soldiers also cause instability due to the hatred of the American occupation by groups that would rather see their country without ties to the US. |
| 03:45.54 | Thrae|Work | ckknight: The scope of both of those statements is not my department. |
| 03:45.57 | TecnoBrat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq |
| 03:46.01 | TecnoBrat | Thats interesting btw |
| 03:46.05 | ckknight | well, obviously. so if we kill everyone in those groups, we'll be okay, right? |
| 03:46.07 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 03:46.37 | Thrae|Work | ckknight: Except that violence begets violence...we'd probably end up killing 70% of the people left in Iraq ;) |
| 03:46.48 | ckknight | okay |
| 03:46.52 | ckknight | this is an issue? |
| 03:47.10 | bleeter | the thing that really gets me, is that one of Bin-Laden's stated aims was to get US forces out of holy lands... hence the logical reaction to 9/11 was to invade other holy lands *boggle* |
| 03:47.12 | ckknight | although I disagree with the number, honestly |
| 03:47.28 | Thrae|Work | I never said the number was factual |
| 03:47.33 | ckknight | bleeter: and Bin Laden's yet to strike American soil since that date |
| 03:47.42 | ckknight | okay, looks like it's dinnertime |
| 03:47.59 | TecnoBrat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afganistan_War <= also interesting |
| 03:48.33 | TecnoBrat | Especially reading the paragraph containing Moderates within the Taliban allegedly met with American embassy officials in Pakistan in mid-October to work out a way to convince Mullah Muhammed Omar to turn bin Laden over to the U.S. and avoid its impending retaliation. President Bush rejected these offers made by the Taliban as insincere. |
| 03:49.25 | bleeter | ckknight: I doubt the US secret services would allow publication of information if he'd been successful. it's not as if the US hasn't suppressed info in the past to spread FUD amongst it's enemies (eg, the Japanese bombing of continental US in WW2) |
| 03:50.20 | kd3 | ok, shifting gears for a second. any wine users know of a way of bind()ing wine to a specific IP address were I to have multiple NICs? |
| 03:50.39 | Thrae|Work | I'd say keeping the Taliban out of Afganistan is a higher priority then finding some old, dying Muslim radical. Bin Laden is just a trophy compared to the force of the Taliban on the Middle East and Asia. |
| 03:51.25 | bleeter | the concept of Taliban as an organised group spreading around amongst various countries is largely a western media invention |
| 03:51.54 | MentalPower | bleeter: but they did bomb continental US |
| 03:52.00 | MentalPower | with incendiary bombs IIRC |
| 03:52.06 | bleeter | it's more like a buncha crazies who share a bunch of similar crazy ideals, but are so crazy they don't want to join forces |
| 03:52.09 | Thrae|Work | I never said they were an organized group. Neither is Al'Queda. |
| 03:52.28 | bleeter | MentalPower: the Japanese? yeah, they did. but news reports of it were banned for a time. |
| 03:53.04 | MentalPower | oh, gotcha |
| 03:53.50 | Thrae|Work | A bunch of crazies that can take over a country is worse then a bunch of crazies that can bomb places every now and then. |
| 03:54.16 | bleeter | indeed |
| 03:54.28 | TecnoBrat | "bunch of crazies" you make it sound like they are stupid |
| 03:54.30 | bleeter | hence, a lot of world hatred towards the US and desire to get rid of your leaders :P |
| 03:54.32 | Thrae|Work | Hence why the Taliban can be a higher priority then Al'Queda. |
| 03:54.38 | TecnoBrat | They aren't stupid, or crazy. At least in their eyes |
| 03:54.44 | TecnoBrat | and thats what makes them so dangerous |
| 03:55.05 | TecnoBrat | They completely know what they are doing. |
| 03:55.10 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: very very very few crazy people realise their crazy... terrorist or otherwise |
| 03:55.14 | bleeter | *they're |
| 03:55.16 | Thrae|Work | TecnoBrat: I'd say they are stupid and crazy. I'd say some of the leaders in the US are stupid and crazy. |
| 03:55.23 | bleeter | bah, was meant for TecnoBrat |
| 03:55.31 | bleeter | kd3: thinking, haven't forgotten your question ;) |
| 03:55.44 | TecnoBrat | Thrae|Work, ahh well, that might be true if you are classifying it that way |
| 03:56.06 | Thrae|Work | TecnoBrat: Most people who are crazy don't think they are crazy. That's part of what makes them crazy, as circular as that sounds. |
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| 03:56.22 | Thrae|Work | TecnoBrat: It's called delusion. |
| 03:57.15 | TecnoBrat | Thrae|Work, while I would agree with that statement, I don't think they are crazy. Their means and their motives might be. But we are not talking about people who need to be put into institutions here. We are talking about dangerous people who have the wrong motives and beliefs. |
| 03:57.27 | Thrae|Work | Of course, not all terrorists are crazy. Some are just unfortunate, brought up in a secluded world where suicide bombing is proper. |
| 03:58.30 | Thrae|Work | TecnoBrat: The terrorists that are brainwashed by people or the limitations of their society are not crazy. The leaders of the terrorists, who have access to much wider information, are both crazy and stupid. |
| 03:58.34 | bleeter | kd3: sorry, drawing a blank here |
| 03:58.38 | kd3 | all hail the power of subverted religion |
| 03:58.43 | TecnoBrat | They believe that they are correct, and that they will do whatever it takes to prove it. |
| 03:58.47 | kd3 | bleeter, no worries |
| 03:59.13 | Thrae|Work | TecnoBrat: That doesn't mean the leaders aren't crazy. Most crazy people are pretty darn determined. |
| 03:59.23 | Thrae|Work | And stupid people can also be pretty darn stubborn. |
| 04:00.01 | TecnoBrat | LOL I just remembered something |
| 04:00.09 | TecnoBrat | remember the cards of iraq? |
| 04:00.31 | TecnoBrat | where the media .. or the US .. or whoever did it .. named each of the leaders of iraq as playing cards? |
| 04:00.42 | MentalPower | US Military |
| 04:00.56 | MentalPower | the US Military distributed those cards to its troops |
| 04:01.21 | MentalPower | so that they would recognize the people in them if they ever encountered them in combat |
| 04:01.23 | TecnoBrat | really? I didn't know that it was anything more than a media stunt |
| 04:01.26 | art3mis | i wouldnt say they're stupid |
| 04:01.39 | art3mis | the leaders of such sects are insanely charismatic and brilliant |
| 04:01.42 | Fin | didn't the FBI do something similar before them, with the top 10 most wanted? |
| 04:01.54 | art3mis | but the downside is that in some cases they're also incredible zealots |
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| 04:02.12 | TecnoBrat | art3mis I would have to agree with you |
| 04:02.23 | MentalPower | the Media just used the deck as a way to report on the progress of the war |
| 04:02.32 | MentalPower | wb Cairenn |
| 04:02.34 | bleeter | cogwheel: why does Zootfizzle hate on you so much? a great deal of objects tend to be where I have the problem. I do |
| 04:02.38 | Cairenn | thanks MentalPower |
| 04:02.43 | bleeter | bah, bad paste.... hang on |
| 04:02.58 | MentalPower | bleeter: I was about to question your sanity... |
| 04:03.01 | cogwheel | bleeter: rofl |
| 04:03.01 | kd3 | heh, was about to ask where that came from |
| 04:03.05 | cogwheel | he's on the sprocket's side |
| 04:03.06 | Thrae|Work | art3mis: Cleverness, wit, and charisma can be augmented by intelligence, but are not parts of it. |
| 04:03.12 | cogwheel | Mr. Cogswell was my great uncle |
| 04:03.14 | bleeter | cogwheel: why does Zootfizzle hate on you? http://www.wowwiki.com/Zootfizzle << 2nd half of last sentence |
| 04:03.31 | Thrae|Work | There are plenty of Charismatic stupid people. Take a look at my country's president. |
| 04:03.40 | art3mis | trae: to a degree yes, take charlie for instance, he was all things and quite brilliant in the workings of the mind, however.. it's totally insnae |
| 04:03.45 | Fin | I'd rather not |
| 04:03.54 | Fin | and personally I don't classify him as charismatic |
| 04:04.27 | cogwheel | (google the jetsons if you don't know wtf i'm talking about :P ) |
| 04:04.32 | art3mis | also take hilter himmler and goerbels,, alll quite zealoty and insane bynormal standards, but also incredibly brilliant |
| 04:04.43 | Thrae|Work | Fin: You're not American. And he was a hell of a lot more charismatic back around 9/11. |
| 04:04.46 | art3mis | charlie is quite charismatic |
| 04:05.13 | art3mis | anyone that can convince a bunch of people that he's the messiah and to kill in his name..... |
| 04:05.14 | Fin | hey I might leave the channel for a bit until this conversation's over, I really really fucking hate politics down to my core and the subject does nothing but frustrate me and make me angry |
| 04:05.32 | Fin | it's all just so fucked |
| 04:05.44 | art3mis | it's not really politics fin |
| 04:05.49 | Thrae|Work | Problem was, while Bush didn't have much Charisma, his opponents had NONE. And the Presidency had long since been determined greatly by charisma, ever since the invention of television. |
| 04:05.50 | Fin | OK |
| 04:05.53 | art3mis | it's the murkiness of religion in that same field |
| 04:06.16 | cogwheel | bleeter: see zoot's sig on the forums |
| 04:06.23 | Thrae|Work | Although I am glad for the invention of television to give us JFK instead of Nixon right off the bat. |
| 04:06.28 | art3mis | but to be fair you get that from any goup thats willig to blindly acept things as they are told to them |
| 04:06.43 | Fin | religion is more interesting because you come across people actually trying to do good things more often, despite it all coming down to power and control etc. like politics |
| 04:06.44 | art3mis | ya know i like nixon |
| 04:06.57 | art3mis | i blame futurama for that though |
| 04:07.39 | Fin | it's just... life shouldn't *be* this way, people shouldn't be killed in wars, they're just so POINTLESS I mean jesus arg! |
| 04:07.48 | cogwheel | ~lart3mis |
| 04:07.48 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 04:07.50 | cogwheel | (don't know why... just seemed appropriate) |
| 04:07.59 | art3mis | heh |
| 04:08.16 | Fin | right, so |
| 04:08.24 | art3mis | does my voice really sound like that? i always thought it had more of a clark gable tone |
| 04:08.36 | Fin | what's your favourite ice cream flavour |
| 04:08.41 | art3mis | pistachio |
| 04:08.49 | Fin | mine, I'd have to say either chocolate or strawberry, plain |
| 04:08.53 | Thrae|Work | Dogma said it best -- "Belief and faith are good. People took a good idea and turned it into a belief system." |
| 04:08.58 | art3mis | so you like neopolitan? |
| 04:09.01 | Fin | pistachio used to be my favourite, but I've developed an annoying allergy to nuts |
| 04:09.13 | Fin | nono |
| 04:09.18 | Fin | I *don't* like mixed ice creams |
| 04:09.21 | Fin | they always disappoint |
| 04:09.36 | kd3 | straight chocolate <3 |
| 04:09.48 | Fin | you can't blend the flavours together properly without it melting a bit, which defeats the point of the ice cream to me |
| 04:10.05 | Fin | it's got to be good quality plain strawberry or chocolate, though |
| 04:10.09 | Fin | like, some italian stuff |
| 04:10.45 | art3mis | you know how to make ice cream soup?! |
| 04:11.02 | Tain | Can anyone suggest any good PVP guides? BGs and arena type stuff for someone who's never set foot in a BG, ever? |
| 04:11.22 | Thrae|Work | Wowwiki? |
| 04:11.32 | Thrae|Work | Also, looking at your class's forums is always a good idea. |
| 04:11.35 | Fin | ice cream... soup? |
| 04:11.53 | Tain | Class forums are a bit too much to wade through for any class. |
| 04:12.02 | Fin | they generally have good stickies, though |
| 04:12.15 | Thrae|Work | Yeah I'm thinking of the stickies. |
| 04:12.16 | art3mis | tain: shoot kill and don't die |
| 04:12.30 | Tain | Ok let's get more basic. |
| 04:12.36 | Tain | I wouldn't know how to set foot in a BG. |
| 04:12.52 | Fin | more basic than that is, the manual on worldofwarcraft.com |
| 04:13.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Tain: ... go to a guard. ask for the battle master. go to the battle master. talk to him |
| 04:13.13 | Tain | I don't know where to join the Arena, how to join as a group, etc. |
| 04:13.21 | Fin | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/#pvp |
| 04:13.39 | Fin | that'll give you an overview of the basics |
| 04:14.03 | Tain | I'll look there, thanks. |
| 04:21.32 | kd3 | the hell? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080115-amazons-free-shipping-costing-1000-per-day-in-france.html |
| 04:23.31 | bleeter | Tain: yeah, generally what other folks have said here... WoWWiki's pages on the various BG's and Arenas, Class Forum stickies and the WoW.com general PvP/BG/Arena pages. There's not much more to know than those combined. You'll be busy enough getting your bearings for the first day or so, so don't worry too much on being an expert on strategy to start with. |
| 04:23.53 | Fin | mais ouis, c'est les francais, ils sont crazy non |
| 04:24.35 | bleeter | Tu as déjà une petite tête, pourquoi veux-tu du riz? |
| 04:25.18 | Fin | I have a small head? |
| 04:25.24 | bleeter | and.. erm.. j'appraise francaise.. erm.. ah.. il y a longtemps. |
| 04:25.51 | Fin | my head is perfectly normal in size and shape, I'll have you know |
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| 04:25.52 | MentalPower | je ne parle français |
| 04:26.01 | Fin | perhaps a teensy bit smaller than average |
| 04:26.02 | MentalPower | parlais |
| 04:26.05 | Fin | but nothing to make a fuss about! |
| 04:26.09 | Fin | ICH BIN EIN AUSLANDER! |
| 04:26.20 | Fin | PWEI rule |
| 04:26.28 | Cairenn | je ne parlez pas en francais :p |
| 04:26.35 | bleeter | I still kick myself everytime I remember I had to ring up the French speaker in our Dublin office when I wanted to explain to the waiter I'd already paid for my coffee 'I can say "I have", and "pay" but I have nfi about 'already'" |
| 04:26.35 | Fin | bunch of girls |
| 04:26.45 | bleeter | he teased me endlessly saying 'cmon.. you know it!!" |
| 04:27.02 | Fin | flirt |
| 04:27.46 | bleeter | after about five minutes of me abusing him, he gave in 'it's 'deja' you idiot, as in 'deja-vu -> already seen'"... big time "DOH" from bleeter |
| 04:28.05 | art3mis | cairenn: tu parlez francias, comme ci comme ca ;P |
| 04:28.05 | Fin | oh hey |
| 04:28.07 | Fin | that's nice to know |
| 04:28.16 | NightHawkTheSane | whats a simple mod that lets me add notes to guild members/friends? |
| 04:28.22 | Fin | bien |
| 04:28.33 | Fin | PlayerNotes |
| 04:28.34 | Cairenn | art3mis: en tres petite peu |
| 04:28.36 | kd3 | ct_core? |
| 04:28.39 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: it's not simple, but I like it... cosmosui.org's NotesUNeed |
| 04:28.56 | Fin | that is the polar opposite of simple |
| 04:29.22 | bleeter | well, depends what kind of simple NightHawkTheSane meant |
| 04:29.36 | bleeter | simple as in 'easy to use' or simple as in 'very few lines of code' |
| 04:29.37 | Thrae|Work | What's an insanely complex, bloated, probably unstable Unit Frame that I can use? |
| 04:29.55 | Thrae|Work | Knowing NightHawkTheSane, he meant a little of both. |
| 04:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant "does what i said in clean, straightforward way, thats easy to use, and doesn't do any thing else" |
| 04:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | and yeah, Thrae|Work's right :P |
| 04:30.22 | art3mis | pourquoi est cela que vous avez <-- fav french phrase |
| 04:30.38 | art3mis | it just rollsoff the tongue and has no real meaning ;P |
| 04:30.47 | Fin | magnifique! <-- my favourite french phrase |
| 04:31.02 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: I'm using NotesUNeed to record guild member's details including gear. Now, whether you consider a note recording folk's gear as part of simple, or complex, I cannot say. |
| 04:31.03 | art3mis | http://translation2.paralink.com/ <-- neat btw even has a voice option |
| 04:31.04 | Cairenn | voulez vous couchez avec moi ce soir |
| 04:31.13 | Thrae|Work | pourquoi est cela que vous hugo chavez <-- hugo chavez's fav. french phrase |
| 04:31.15 | Fin | followed a close second by fantastique! then alors! then possibly mon dieu |
| 04:31.53 | art3mis | cairenn: sûr je serai juste là |
| 04:31.53 | Cairenn | sacre bleu! monge le merde! |
| 04:32.02 | Fin | bleeter: Examiner can cache inspected players for you, btw |
| 04:32.06 | art3mis | mange la merde '{ |
| 04:32.08 | Cairenn | (et mort) |
| 04:32.09 | bleeter | I think my most frequently spoken sentence in french was "mon dieu, je ne American... je ne Anglaise... je suis Tasmanie!!!" |
| 04:32.19 | art3mis | fu toi |
| 04:32.49 | Cairenn | je suis Canadienne |
| 04:32.53 | bleeter | if there's one thing in Europe you don't want to be, it's an English or American tourist ;) |
| 04:33.05 | Thrae|Work | You Tasmanian Devil. |
| 04:33.14 | Cairenn | my french is so old and rusty, it's just sad |
| 04:33.19 | bleeter | Thrae|Work: just call me Errol |
| 04:33.23 | Fin | I am... 'ow you say eet... a leetle lost? <-- that's what the cute french girl says in my fantasy I'm just making up |
| 04:33.29 | Cairenn | I can speak it better than I can spell it though, thank god |
| 04:33.40 | kd3 | fin; lmao |
| 04:33.49 | Thrae|Work | bleeter: I was refering to the widely popular Looney Tunes character ;) |
| 04:33.52 | art3mis | http://youtube.com/watch?v=h1CwZgb_iAI |
| 04:34.06 | MentalPower | Fin: sounds like 'Arry Potter |
| 04:34.15 | art3mis | pottah |
| 04:34.21 | Thrae|Work | Cairenn: Odd, I can write languages better then I can speak -- English included. |
| 04:34.44 | Cairenn | I just stopped trying to speak french when I moved up here to ontario |
| 04:34.53 | art3mis | http://youtube.com/watch?v=zWDXE9Pbjic&feature=related <-- i tend to hum this on the subway lately |
| 04:35.05 | Cairenn | since the french I speak is Acadienne, not Quebeqouis |
| 04:35.09 | bleeter | woot, I think I just 'fixed' my problem with Combuctor from Tuller... /me gives three cheers for throwing out layout-cache.txt ;) |
| 04:35.10 | Fin | I was in a food fight once at a party with a bunch of french canadians, it started because I was drunkenly pretending to be parisian and was mocking their stupeed bastardisation of blah blah... |
| 04:35.11 | Thrae|Work | Ja'zookz! It's me freind 'arry Pottayh! |
| 04:35.20 | Fin | only food fight I've been in that was stopped by the police |
| 04:36.29 | bleeter | We almost started a food fight on the border of Northern Ireland and the Republic. I was at a bucks party for a work colleague, and he had a bunch of his friends over from the continent. They were calling us Aussies 'Skippy', and the local youfs were of the opinion they were insulting us. |
| 04:36.33 | Fin | but! back to the cute french girl - yeah! if it wasn't harry potter, and that wasn't desperately sad, I would say that the description of the alluring sultry beauties with the french accents sounds like a goer |
| 04:36.56 | bleeter | we found out the following morning one of the kids who were threatening us got arrested later for attempted murder :/ |
| 04:37.02 | Fin | how do you almost have a food fight? :) did someone throw some rice but noone retaliated? |
| 04:37.21 | Fin | the irish are always doing that |
| 04:37.42 | Fin | (not almost starting food fights, I meant getting arrested for attempted murder) |
| 04:38.03 | Fin | it's true! I read about it on the internet |
| 04:38.59 | bleeter | Fin: it was a burger, but yes. We didn't retaliate, just calmly said 'no no, we're all friends up here for a bucks night, we don't want trouble'... and left |
| 04:40.03 | Thrae|Work | Fin: http://bash.org/?838069 |
| 04:40.57 | Fin | Thrae|Work: pending moderation? |
| 04:40.58 | MentalPower | Quote #838069 is pending moderation. |
| 04:41.06 | Fin | no! you did NOT just do that |
| 04:41.10 | Fin | arg |
| 04:41.12 | Thrae|Work | I know. I quit Fin. |
| 04:41.53 | Fin | right! my gf is gone so I'm going to make myself that massive fryup she won't let me make because it "smells" |
| 04:42.06 | Fin | au revoir! |
| 04:42.16 | Cairenn | later Fin |
| 04:42.21 | Fin | adieu! |
| 04:42.32 | Thrae|Work | Fin: Did you actually make the connection yourself that most Irish are Catholic, and it's customary to throw rice at weddings, or was that unintentional? |
| 04:44.18 | art3mis | im gonna guess unintentional |
| 04:44.23 | art3mis | it was Fin after all |
| 04:44.57 | art3mis | What's the difference between a protestant and a catholic in ireland? |
| 04:45.05 | art3mis | The Calibre |
| 04:45.10 | art3mis | (caliber) |
| 04:46.41 | Thrae|Work | Calibre is also a correct spelling, albiet arcane |
| 04:47.15 | art3mis | its a double meaning ;P |
| 04:47.42 | art3mis | btw thrae |
| 04:47.46 | art3mis | Cake or Death? |
| 04:48.07 | kd3 | I'll choose "or death" please |
| 04:48.10 | Tain | The cake is a lie. |
| 04:48.11 | Thrae|Work | The way you bake, that's not much of a choice. |
| 04:49.22 | Iriel | art3mis: Do you have a flag? |
| 04:51.26 | art3mis | i do! |
| 04:54.44 | art3mis | iriel: have you seen the tudors? |
| 04:55.16 | art3mis | and if so does "church of england church of england" poop into your head every now and again? |
| 04:55.36 | ckknight | poop |
| 04:55.53 | ckknight | art3mis: I'll take the chicken |
| 04:55.56 | Iriel | I have not |
| 04:56.04 | Fin | art3mis: you are wrong to doubt me of being capable of subtle references like that! quite wrong! |
| 04:56.23 | Fin | Thrae: however art3mis was right, it was entirely unintentional |
| 04:56.55 | art3mis | ckknight: we dont ahve chicken and we didnt expect such a rush on the cake |
| 04:58.20 | Fin | OK, maybe I'm the only one who doesn't see the disadvantages in the cake option |
| 04:59.27 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: ping |
| 04:59.33 | AnduinLothar | pong |
| 04:59.36 | AnduinLothar | lil busy |
| 04:59.41 | Shirik | uh, I'll find you later then |
| 04:59.47 | kd3 | uber-power bill, MP? |
| 05:01.47 | MentalPower | no, uber power outages |
| 05:02.06 | kd3 | ick |
| 05:02.51 | Shirik | one thing I gotta give to FPL, their stability is amazing |
| 05:02.59 | Shirik | their bills are also amazing |
| 05:03.02 | Shirik | amazingly expensive -_- |
| 05:03.31 | kd3 | ugh. next tuesday can't come quickly enough |
| 05:04.33 | Fin | payment issues, kd3? |
| 05:05.07 | kd3 | the ISP that my apartment complex is using has botched the filters something fierce |
| 05:05.14 | kd3 | HTTP works, HTTPS is spotty |
| 05:05.16 | Fin | oh, nasty |
| 05:05.53 | kd3 | I'm on IRC via tor because there's a complex-wide cap of 1mbit for IRC, resulting in queues averaging 10 minutes or so if I can't connect via ssl |
| 05:06.09 | Fin | ye gods |
| 05:06.13 | Fin | who are these people? |
| 05:06.13 | kd3 | wow's reasonable at times, 150ms ping, can spike over a few seconds on occasion |
| 05:06.14 | Shirik | who makes a complex-wide cap |
| 05:06.19 | Fin | and why are they living in 1995? |
| 05:06.48 | kd3 | I've been yelling at them (with most of the other CS students living here) but they're worried about "p2p" |
| 05:07.01 | Wobwork | omgpirates |
| 05:07.05 | Fin | I don't want to even guess what they've done to lock down BitTorrent etc... ah yeah |
| 05:07.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was wondering why you were using tor |
| 05:07.29 | kd3 | what's funny is that when they first brought the filters online they didn't even touch DCC, just irc chat itself... |
| 05:07.47 | Fin | I was going to say, how can these people even be intelligent enough to implement the filters in the first place |
| 05:07.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i thought you might be a part of the chinese resistance forming on tor |
| 05:08.13 | Fin | my god, you'r chinese, Mr_Rabies? |
| 05:08.17 | Fin | +e |
| 05:08.19 | kd3 | I dunno, I'm assuming they're using sandvine or something similar |
| 05:08.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, i just check out tor |
| 05:08.27 | art3mis | kd3: does it block all irc ports or just 6667? |
| 05:08.29 | MentalPower | kd3: do they not know that most (all?) P2P does not work over HTTP/S |
| 05:08.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has some funny paranoid hidden services |
| 05:08.36 | art3mis | err not block but you know |
| 05:08.40 | Fin | you're not just a bit Chinese then |
| 05:08.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but some really cool ones, like chinese resistance |
| 05:09.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | trying to overthrow communism by letting information flow freely |
| 05:09.03 | kd3 | all ports. some private networks I'm on use non-standard ports too and they're filtered just the same |
| 05:09.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | or whatever |
| 05:09.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | their dictatorship |
| 05:09.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | getting past the great firewall |
| 05:09.23 | MentalPower | so they do packet shaping, nice |
| 05:10.30 | Fin | you need a decent unix box outside that network that can act as a generic proxy |
| 05:11.56 | Fin | set up ssh tunnels to a server that has listens on port 8080, configure local setups for different services, and it's just like the real internet |
| 05:12.20 | Fin | or on port 80 I guess for you, 8080 seems a bit - woo - nonstandard |
| 05:13.25 | Codayus | A sufficiently paranoid IT department (or whatever) can monitor and track encrypted ssh tunnels, even over port 80. |
| 05:13.57 | kd3 | meh, the ISP's not that good. IRC over SSL's just fine. 0.1s lag on a few networks says xchat |
| 05:14.11 | Codayus | Since a ssh tunnel doesn't "look" like normal http traffic, if you bother to look at it. Few do. |
| 05:14.30 | Fin | they can't tell what you're doing though, and they'd find it difficult to stop without specific measures against you personally or implementing a network wide proxy |
| 05:14.39 | Fin | +that has Connect disabled |
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| 05:14.54 | Fin | well no |
| 05:14.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just hope you luck out with tor |
| 05:15.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | and get a decent line of proxies |
| 05:15.28 | Fin | so anyway, what's happening on Tuesday? |
| 05:15.39 | Fin | are you ridding yourself of this blight upon the good name of sysadmins everywhere? |
| 05:15.58 | Codayus | Fin: Some banks, for example, will have IT departments which will look for people tunneling encrypted traffic across the firewall, and take specific measures...like firing you. |
| 05:16.10 | kd3 | that's when the cableco has graciously decided to free up enough time to make sure that my apartment has been wired properly for cable net access |
| 05:16.19 | Fin | Codayus: a bank is one place I would take network security seriously :) |
| 05:16.31 | Codayus | Yar. |
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| 05:16.56 | Fin | there, and my home network, are the only two places that come to mind |
| 05:17.13 | Fin | anyway! enough geekery |
| 05:17.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm drinking ginger ale from a jar that once contained apples. |
| 05:17.29 | Codayus | Although once you go down that road, you start needing to worry about cell phones, 3G modems, bluetooth, etc. Or hell, flash drives. Security is a PAIN if you really care. |
| 05:17.37 | Fin | I'm off to watch some explosions and hot chicks |
| 05:17.37 | Thunder_Child | there is never enough geekery Fin |
| 05:17.43 | MentalPower | Mr_Rabies2: thats... random... |
| 05:17.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's true though |
| 05:17.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am |
| 05:18.19 | Fin | explosions! chicks! beer! |
| 05:18.33 | Codayus | Exploding chickens? That's not hot... |
| 05:18.50 | MentalPower | gnight all |
| 05:18.55 | Fin | well I imagine they would be quite hot having just exploded |
| 05:19.04 | Shirik | "The female vocal box emits a tone that is phase shifted 180 degrees from the male ear drum's natural resonance frequency, so males simply can't listen to females. It's in their genes." |
| 05:19.08 | Shirik | <3 my guild chat |
| 05:19.11 | Fin | granted they would cool quite rapidly |
| 05:19.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://mwpolar.com/nutrition/jar_apples_nf.html |
| 05:19.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | see |
| 05:19.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 05:19.37 | Codayus | Well, depends on the environmental temperature...explode one inside a blast furnace? |
| 05:19.39 | Fin | now that they have a greater surface area through which to dissipate the heat |
| 05:20.09 | Fin | I was thinking like, a mortar fired directly into a chicken coop |
| 05:20.29 | Codayus | Could fire the chicken from the mortar... |
| 05:20.31 | Fin | +that had some chickens in it |
| 05:20.42 | Fin | would that necessarily cause them to explode, though? |
| 05:20.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | reminds me of the chicken cannon from mythbusters |
| 05:20.57 | Codayus | ...do you suppose a chicken would have more or less wind resistence after its been plucked? |
| 05:21.03 | Fin | less |
| 05:21.18 | Codayus | Seems plausible. |
| 05:21.23 | Fin | that's what feathers are *for* |
| 05:21.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | brb calling adam and jamie |
| 05:21.40 | Codayus | Pft, explain bats. |
| 05:21.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'll be on mythbusters within the month |
| 05:21.46 | Fin | OK! I am going to watch I Am Legend now |
| 05:21.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | Fin: Will Smith is a Scientologist now |
| 05:21.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | :( |
| 05:22.00 | Codayus | .... |
| 05:22.03 | Fin | oh FUCK |
| 05:22.04 | Codayus | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.06 | Fin | I wish you hadn't told me that |
| 05:22.13 | Fin | tch |
| 05:22.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | still a good movie |
| 05:22.30 | Fin | not *as* good anymore :( |
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| 05:22.46 | Fin | oh well, I'll focus on the explosions, and any chicks I see |
| 05:22.51 | Fin | auf wiedersen! |
| 05:22.51 | Codayus | Could be worse, wasisname, the guy who started in Blade is on trial for not paying taxes. I believe his claim is that there is no income tax in the US. |
| 05:22.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | my opinion was worse of him before the movie |
| 05:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i had no respect for him as an actor prior to the movie |
| 05:23.02 | Codayus | Wesley...Snipe? Something like that... |
| 05:23.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | he did a pretty damn good job in i am legend :o |
| 05:27.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 05:28.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of scientology |
| 05:28.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | this kinda creeps me out |
| 05:28.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/11/16/insider.scientology/index.html?iref=newssearch |
| 05:28.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i searched for scientology on cnn |
| 05:28.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | and got that |
| 05:28.38 | Shirik | X |
| 05:28.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it looks like an article was cut down by scientology's legal department or something worse :O |
| 05:35.08 | Thunder_Child | who the fuck cares what belief system has |
| 05:35.16 | Thunder_Child | s/has/someone has/ |
| 05:35.28 | Thunder_Child | besides Fin it seems |
| 05:35.42 | ckknight | I'm not fond of the Church of Scientology |
| 05:35.48 | ckknight | but I don't care if someone believes in it |
| 05:36.16 | Fin | they're fucking psychopathic nutjobs on a mission to assimilate humanity, not a belief system |
| 05:36.17 | Thunder_Child | i hope Fin's thought isnt the majority |
| 05:36.26 | Thunder_Child | that would be sadening |
| 05:36.40 | Fin | hah, dude, you're not actually trolling now, are you? |
| 05:36.44 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 05:36.47 | Fin | awesome |
| 05:37.17 | Thunder_Child | i actually think that a person belief does not make them a bad person |
| 05:37.24 | Fin | so do I |
| 05:37.42 | Thunder_Child | so you were joking with your comment before> |
| 05:37.43 | Fin | but you're choosing to at least appear to convince yourself of something else |
| 05:37.44 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 05:37.49 | Fin | no |
| 05:38.03 | Thunder_Child | then your contradicting yourself |
| 05:38.07 | Fin | no, I'm not |
| 05:38.34 | Thunder_Child | will smith is not bad because of his belief but the movie is beacause he is in it |
| 05:38.46 | Thunder_Child | because of scientology |
| 05:38.53 | cogwheel | so, using expose armor on a turtle... that's like ripping its shell off, yes? |
| 05:39.00 | Fin | ew |
| 05:39.06 | Shirik | no, just showing the weak spot on its shell |
| 05:39.34 | Fin | no, Thunder_Child, that is also incorrect |
| 05:39.47 | Fin | keep going if you like? |
| 05:40.08 | Fin | we could talk about ice cream again |
| 05:40.09 | Shirik | no you didn't |
| 05:40.20 | Fin | let's talk about ice cream |
| 05:40.22 | Thunder_Child | dont need to keep going, one of those 2 are incorrect |
| 05:40.25 | Fin | you know what I think would be great? vodka ice cream |
| 05:40.38 | Shirik | except I couldn't eat it |
| 05:40.43 | Fin | I'll let you figure it out mate. what's your favourite flavour of ice cream? |
| 05:40.45 | Thunder_Child | lightweight? |
| 05:40.48 | Shirik | for another.... 5 days |
| 05:40.58 | Fin | it might not be ice cream by then |
| 05:41.03 | kd3 | oh sweet. ep2 of aria season 3's finally done downloading. wtb subs |
| 05:41.05 | cogwheel | ice cream is fricking awesome with liquor... it's like built-in pepto bismol :P |
| 05:41.08 | Shirik | 4 actually, omg it's wednesday >< |
| 05:41.17 | Shirik | I need to go to sleep, night :) |
| 05:41.22 | Fin | excellent description cogwheel |
| 05:42.06 | Fin | so, Thunder_Child, don't keep us waiting! |
| 05:42.10 | Fin | I bet you're a mint choc chip man |
| 05:42.17 | Thunder_Child | actaully i am |
| 05:42.22 | Fin | bam! nailed it |
| 05:42.23 | Thunder_Child | but thats 1 or 2 |
| 05:42.33 | Fin | aw, I think that can be considered a flavour |
| 05:42.41 | Thunder_Child | depends, otherwise it's choc chip cookie dough |
| 05:42.43 | cogwheel | cookie dough here |
| 05:42.59 | cogwheel | and white chocolate > vanilla imo |
| 05:43.06 | Fin | cookie dough... I can't say that's something I see very often, I don't know what it tastes like |
| 05:43.13 | Thunder_Child | Fin, i meant it's either #1 or #2 on my list |
| 05:43.19 | Fin | aha |
| 05:43.24 | cogwheel | it's vanilla with chunks of cookie dough |
| 05:43.39 | Fin | well that's OK, you're allowed to have multiple favourite flavours of ice cream |
| 05:43.39 | cogwheel | chocolate chip usually |
| 05:43.47 | Fin | ice cream is special |
| 05:43.50 | Fin | I can't imagine that, cogwheel |
| 05:44.03 | Fin | like, crumbly cookies? |
| 05:44.15 | cogwheel | they're usually little balls of raw dough |
| 05:44.21 | Fin | maybe I'll buy some and freeze them to see what it's like |
| 05:44.24 | cogwheel | not sure if they're allowed to put eggs in or not |
| 05:44.26 | Fin | ohhhh... like tiramisu sort of |
| 05:45.19 | cogwheel | every tiramisu i have has been completely different from the one before it so i can't verify that :P |
| 05:45.30 | Fin | I think I'd like to explore the world of alcohol + ice cream, though |
| 05:45.34 | cogwheel | +any missing words that make it make more sense |
| 05:45.44 | Fin | I just made it up as a way to change the subject earlier, but it's growing on me |
| 05:45.57 | cogwheel | really any sort of creaminess and cold makes it go down smooth |
| 05:46.07 | Fin | baileys |
| 05:46.14 | cogwheel | egg nog & brandy |
| 05:46.16 | Fin | oh lordy lummy loo, baileys I do love you so |
| 05:46.27 | Fin | egg nog is like, a really cheap liquor here, it's seen as sort of tacky |
| 05:46.40 | Fin | but I secretly buy bottles of it for myself because I love it |
| 05:46.42 | cogwheel | it's sort of a traditional holiday drink here |
| 05:47.28 | cogwheel | We missed out this year :( |
| 05:47.32 | Fin | one sweet alcohol I *don't* really like, anything menthol really |
| 05:47.37 | Fin | aw no, that's a shame |
| 05:47.49 | Wobwork | <3 Tiramisu |
| 05:47.52 | Wobwork | it's so easy to make |
| 05:48.10 | Wobwork | also <3 Sticky Date Pudding |
| 05:48.17 | Wobwork | ditto on the easy to make |
| 05:48.19 | Fin | that's not really one sweet alcohol, but there's enough meaning in the sentence to extrapolate what it would've been like coherent |
| 05:48.51 | Fin | also! I don't understand the smarties ice cream that mcdonalds do |
| 05:49.12 | Fin | that's just odd to me |
| 05:49.28 | Fin | they're completely seperate sweets in the hierarchy, really |
| 05:49.53 | Fin | hmm, I'm assuming smarties are smarties everywhere |
| 05:49.59 | Wobwork | It's true |
| 05:50.16 | Wobwork | then again, McDonalds soft serve ice cream is an abomination unto man anyway |
| 05:50.23 | Fin | smarties are little pellets of chocolate coated in a layer of coloured sugar |
| 05:50.53 | Fin | they're actually called "lentilky" in the Czech Republic |
| 05:50.56 | Fin | which I find amusing |
| 05:51.05 | Wobwork | what does that translate to? |
| 05:51.09 | Fin | lentils |
| 05:51.29 | Wobwork | most bizarre lentils ever |
| 05:51.57 | Fin | although actually now I come to think about it, I'm not 100% sure of that! they might've just taken the English word for lentils and used it for something that resembles lentils, sort of, or something |
| 05:52.14 | Fin | I never thought of that possibility before |
| 05:52.25 | Fin | Czechs go out of their way to be awkward sometimes, I swear it |
| 05:52.44 | Fin | I mean, the Czech keyboard layout is mostly the same for letters - except the z and the y are swapped rond |
| 05:52.47 | Fin | +u |
| 05:53.00 | Fin | why? why just swap those letters? you're just being awkward now |
| 05:53.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Thunder_Child> i actually think that a person belief does not make them a bad person |
| 05:53.29 | Thunder_Child | yes, infact i did type that |
| 05:53.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have little or no issue with people who believe in scientology, |
| 05:53.47 | Fin | I don't think he was challenging your typing that, Thunder_Child |
| 05:53.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | however, i do have several issues with the actual "Church" of scientology |
| 05:54.13 | Thunder_Child | i hope not Fin, people typing that badly around here hsould be few and far between |
| 05:54.25 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, thats fine, i wasnt talking about that |
| 05:54.27 | Fin | heh |
| 05:54.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | leaving vulnerable people in crippling debt, huge legal team that quells any opposition to them, etc etc |
| 05:54.45 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, i was not debating belief systems |
| 05:54.59 | Thunder_Child | if you want to flame them (as i can see you want to) go ahead |
| 05:55.00 | Fin | plus they're annoying as almighty fuck with those bloody personality tests |
| 05:55.06 | Thunder_Child | but i have nothing to do with it |
| 05:55.18 | Fin | that's a big fat lie |
| 05:55.23 | Thunder_Child | and dont use me as an excuse to flame them |
| 05:55.28 | Fin | your pants are currently combusting |
| 05:55.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not flaming you at all, i'm just stating why i (and many people) dislike scientology |
| 05:55.52 | Fin | sensible |
| 05:55.54 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, not me, i didnt say you were flaming me |
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| 05:56.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not about the beliefs, it's the shady things the church does, that rival those of catholicism around the time indulgences and the crusades were popular :o |
| 05:57.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | the fact that they leave all but the very very wealthy with no money with promises of bettering their lives |
| 05:57.17 | Fin | OK, as you seem to be being reasonable now, can I say: I have an issue with scientology; I don't have an issue with belief systems in general; I don't consider scientology a belief system; my enjoyment of a film is partly linked to my respect for the people involved in it, and my respect for Wil Smith is now a lot lower |
| 05:57.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they use the local police force to their HQ as their own personal police force |
| 05:57.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine was very low before i am legend, fin |
| 05:57.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | after i had a renewed respect for him |
| 05:58.04 | Fin | so, that's why all the things you said weren't correct |
| 05:58.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | his acting is quite believable and well done |
| 05:58.31 | Fin | actually I never thought he was that bad, Mr_Rabies, perhaps I just have lower standards than you |
| 05:58.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like him as a person, he's a great guy |
| 05:58.39 | Fin | in fact I almost certainly have lower standards than you |
| 05:58.46 | Fin | although they are very refined low standards |
| 05:58.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was hard for me to get past fresh prince of bel air |
| 05:59.06 | Fin | ah, I was fortunate to skip that |
| 05:59.08 | Fin | almost completely |
| 05:59.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it doesn't help most of the movies he's been in since have been awful |
| 05:59.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | fresh prince is enjoyable, but not for the fantastic acting |
| 05:59.32 | Fin | yep, I definitely have lower standards - I only think some of his movies are awful, not most |
| 06:00.04 | Fin | seriously though, you didn't like Wild Wild West? and Men In Black? |
| 06:00.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i robot was terrible, independence day is good for laughing at a nice campy movie, hitch was terrible |
| 06:00.28 | Fin | I liked Hitch |
| 06:00.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | wild wild west was okay, but only because it was hollywood steampunk, otherwise the acting was laughable |
| 06:00.38 | Fin | the name was a great play on words, I liked that |
| 06:00.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | men in black was okay when i was like 10 |
| 06:00.52 | Fin | I think you're being unreasonably harsh |
| 06:00.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't watch it now, it's too cheesy |
| 06:01.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | bad boys ii is a pinnacle of action movies, though |
| 06:01.19 | Fin | hmm... you're not one of those people that watches Marcel Rousseau type movies, are ou? |
| 06:01.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | again, not because of the acting, though |
| 06:01.25 | Fin | +y |
| 06:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah, not a big arthouse guy, if that's what Marcel Rousseau is |
| 06:01.40 | Fin | action movies are rarely good because of the acting |
| 06:01.53 | Fin | arty would be a good word |
| 06:02.03 | Fin | OK then, tell me what you *do* like, forget about Mr. Smith |
| 06:02.34 | Fin | and - btw - I'm not saying any of his films are *great* - just OK, watchable |
| 06:02.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, i didn't expect good acting from bad boys 2, and i got what i expected, plus michael bay making it hilariously awesome |
| 06:02.38 | Fin | not bad |
| 06:02.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, men in black i and ii were seen a lot when i was a kid, so there's a good chance i just kinda got burned out on them |
| 06:03.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i feel he was probably typecast pretty heavily |
| 06:03.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean even in i am legend he has to have a bit of a comedy side to him |
| 06:03.36 | Fin | so forget about him, go on tell me what's in your DVD library |
| 06:03.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | lots of bad movies i love |
| 06:03.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the running man |
| 06:03.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | terrible movie, but it's awesome |
| 06:04.16 | Fin | what was the last movie you bought? |
| 06:04.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | my dvd library is admittedly miniscule, i mostly watch stuff in theaters |
| 06:04.25 | Fin | no, what were the last three movies you bought? |
| 06:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | Shoot Em Up, 3:10 to Yuma and Tenacious D |
| 06:04.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | shoot em up is another pinnacle of modern action movies |
| 06:05.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3:10 to yuma i haven't seen yet as i accidentally got the fullscreen version and i'm waiting to take it back |
| 06:05.10 | Fin | not sure I agree, but I haven't formed a proper opinion yet |
| 06:05.21 | Fin | never heard of it |
| 06:05.25 | Fin | sounds japanese and arty |
| 06:05.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah |
| 06:05.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a western |
| 06:05.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | a remake, actually |
| 06:05.35 | Fin | ooh! |
| 06:05.39 | Fin | nice |
| 06:05.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | and not an "el topo" western |
| 06:06.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | el topo isn't a western |
| 06:06.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a western-coated mindfuck |
| 06:06.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3:10_to_Yuma_%282007_film%29 |
| 06:06.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | there ya go, fin |
| 06:06.47 | Fin | just a good old classic fight against evil with a few good men eventually coming through for the common man, whose daughter is incidentally a hot but innocent and willing wife |
| 06:07.00 | Fin | +? |
| 06:07.13 | Fin | yes! I was spot on! |
| 06:07.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3:10 to yuma? |
| 06:07.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't seen it yet, i missed it in theaters and was angry at myself for doing so |
| 06:07.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i try to hit all the good movies up in theaters |
| 06:07.45 | Fin | don't be angry at yourself for that |
| 06:07.55 | Fin | the cool thing about things like that is, you can let yourself off lightly |
| 06:08.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's just nothing that compares to the theater sound and visual |
| 06:08.06 | Fin | just give yourself a stern warning and we'll let that one slide |
| 06:08.22 | Fin | sure, but no need for anger, that's just making it worse for no reason |
| 06:08.25 | Fin | war starts out like that! |
| 06:08.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm really pissed off that i haven't seen the final cut of blade runner in theaters when it was reshowing |
| 06:08.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 06:08.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i haven't seen blade runner at all |
| 06:08.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | at all |
| 06:08.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | ever |
| 06:08.55 | Fin | that's a great film, but man, is it overused |
| 06:09.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know how i haven't seen it |
| 06:09.06 | Fin | it's like lord of the rings |
| 06:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | my friend got the ubercollectors edition |
| 06:09.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | about 5 different cuts of the movie |
| 06:09.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's a film nerd |
| 06:09.28 | Fin | (the book) |
| 06:09.37 | Fin | (sorry) |
| 06:09.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | he got like |
| 06:09.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | let's see |
| 06:09.47 | bleeter | I love how Jeter managed to get the book of Androids to work with the movie Bladerunner |
| 06:09.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | an arthouse collection |
| 06:10.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | Janus 50 year collection |
| 06:10.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | 50 discs, like a grand |
| 06:10.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Art-House-Years-Janus/dp/B000I5YUE4 |
| 06:10.52 | Fin | bleeter, was that an unsubtle way of pointing out that you've read the book, and before seeing the movie, thus making you less of a loser than us types? |
| 06:11.36 | Fin | it was, wasn't it, tut |
| 06:11.46 | Fin | and yes I am a loser, I only read it after |
| 06:11.51 | Fin | and actually I preferred the film! |
| 06:11.55 | bleeter | Fin: nah, just an observation that post.. whenever it was 1996 or so.. the book don't make much sense without seeing the movie, the movie don't make much sense without reading the book |
| 06:12.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean |
| 06:12.12 | bleeter | and neither make much sense as a whole without reading the other three books written by KW Jeter |
| 06:12.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like some arthouse stuff, but it's usually pretentious and boring |
| 06:12.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | not my thing |
| 06:12.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like to be entertained |
| 06:12.32 | Fin | yeah, me too |
| 06:12.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i care less about the art of filmmaking and more about the entertainment aspect of filmmaking |
| 06:12.48 | bleeter | so, kinda like The Abyss and 2001, neither of which makes much sense without reading the story in another medium |
| 06:12.51 | Fin | some of the french arthousey type stuff is good :) |
| 06:13.08 | Fin | like Delicatessen and that hot french chick, what's her name, Miss Mischief |
| 06:13.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | one of the few arthouse movies i like so far is "the holy mountain" |
| 06:13.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want to see delicatessen |
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| 06:13.26 | Fin | it's a *great* movie |
| 06:13.30 | Fin | amelie!@ |
| 06:13.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | my film nerd friend gets all these awesome foreign films |
| 06:13.44 | Fin | or, the fabulous world of amelie d'estaux |
| 06:13.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | lots of the classic exploitation films |
| 06:13.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | we sat down and tried to watch cannibal holocaust like 3 times now |
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| 06:14.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and we haven't worked up the courage |
| 06:14.24 | Fin | points gained for trying, taken away for continuing to try :) |
| 06:14.45 | Fin | I really have to go to the shop now |
| 06:14.59 | Fin | my pills are wearing off |
| 06:15.09 | Fin | tak, cau! |
| 06:23.34 | bleeter | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=friS4OOcdgQ |
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| 07:24.49 | |Jelly| | ~lart cogwheel |
| 07:24.49 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on cogwheel |
| 07:25.05 | bleeter | ouch |
| 07:25.09 | bleeter | that's gotta hurt |
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| 07:28.00 | phetips | greetings |
| 07:37.03 | bleeter | does everyone else's realm's /trade turn into /SexistReligistHomophobicRants after 1AM? |
| 07:43.05 | Tem | yes |
| 07:43.25 | clad|sleep | bleeter: I don't think they're sexist |
| 07:43.26 | |Jelly| | Stop pretending like it's any different any other time of the day. lol |
| 07:43.33 | clad|sleep | women aren't really people, so they deserve it. |
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| 07:45.44 | bleeter | oh well, I'll just report the person impersonating a GM in /trade calling people cockfaces. |
| 07:50.38 | Tem | cladhaire, why don't women have big feet? |
| 07:50.52 | cladhaire | uhh dunno |
| 07:53.05 | art3mis | http://www.xkcd.com/ |
| 08:05.52 | Elkano | art3mis, today's xkcd is great ^^ |
| 08:06.58 | Thunder_Child | can anyone understand why one flashlight can do 80 lumens for 9.42 hours with 3 batteries whereas another can do 80 lumens for 11 hours with 2 batteries....and the second one is the more expensive one |
| 08:07.14 | Thunder_Child | err..less expensive |
| 08:07.39 | art3mis | yeah |
| 08:08.14 | Thunder_Child | let me rephrase that.... |
| 08:08.14 | art3mis | different bulbs or better "parts" |
| 08:08.15 | bleeter | depends on the glimmer rating... or in some cases blean rating |
| 08:08.22 | art3mis | ;) |
| 08:08.26 | Thunder_Child | they are both surefire |
| 08:08.29 | Thunder_Child | same setup |
| 08:08.54 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: how many bleans? |
| 08:08.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Today's xkcd alt text is *incredible* |
| 08:09.13 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, no bleans |
| 08:09.25 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: impossible. |
| 08:09.38 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i mean nothing talks about bleens |
| 08:09.46 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 08:09.46 | bleeter | BLEAN (n) Scientific measure of luminosity : 1 glimmer = 100,000 bleans. Usherettes’ |
| 08:09.50 | bleeter | torches are designed to produce between 2.5 and 4 bleans, enabling them to assist you |
| 08:09.53 | bleeter | in falling down stairs,treading on people or putting your hand into a Neapolitan |
| 08:09.56 | bleeter | tub when reaching for change. |
| 08:10.07 | Thunder_Child | i hate you people |
| 08:10.10 | art3mis | same batteries? |
| 08:10.14 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 08:10.34 | art3mis | so say 9.42 on 3 AA's or 11 on 2 AAs? |
| 08:10.46 | Thunder_Child | Max Output: 80 lumens |
| 08:10.47 | Thunder_Child | Runtime: 9.42 hours (5.8 hrs tactical-level light) |
| 08:10.47 | Thunder_Child | Length: 6.50 inches |
| 08:10.47 | Thunder_Child | Weight: 5.50 ounces |
| 08:10.47 | Thunder_Child | Battery: Three 123A Lithium |
| 08:10.53 | Thunder_Child | - |
| 08:10.55 | Thunder_Child | Max Output: 80 lumens |
| 08:10.55 | Thunder_Child | Runtime: 11 hours |
| 08:10.55 | Thunder_Child | Length: 5.09 inches |
| 08:10.57 | Thunder_Child | Weight: 5.20 ounces |
| 08:10.59 | Thunder_Child | Battery: Two 123A lithiums |
| 08:11.09 | Thunder_Child | see...infuriating |
| 08:11.34 | art3mis | well it's shorter and im gonna assume different bulbs |
| 08:11.39 | Thunder_Child | both LED |
| 08:11.51 | art3mis | which could mean taht to produce the same lumens it's basically focusing better |
| 08:12.15 | art3mis | and that would cause less draw making it gooder |
| 08:12.21 | bleeter | I'm gunna assume different methods of focussing the light to achieve the 80 lumes, thus one's more efficient than the other |
| 08:12.31 | art3mis | focal distance qwould be the difference |
| 08:12.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't suppose there's a way to get me banned from the forums on a temporary basis? |
| 08:12.44 | art3mis | on purpsoe? |
| 08:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, kinda |
| 08:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't mean things like start linking porn |
| 08:13.15 | art3mis | just reply to like 40 posts with "christ stop being a dick" |
| 08:13.21 | art3mis | regardless of topic ;P |
| 08:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 08:13.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd probably be more on topic than off though |
| 08:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | For at least half the threads |
| 08:13.43 | Tem | AHAHAHAH |
| 08:13.45 | art3mis | and then make an alt named Heyzeus |
| 08:13.52 | Tem | I just CSed a pom pyro mage |
| 08:13.56 | art3mis | and have him post "alright geez sorry" |
| 08:13.57 | Tem | and stole AP and PoM |
| 08:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: you win |
| 08:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 08:14.17 | Tem | then I hit him with a 4k instant frostbolt |
| 08:14.18 | Tem | and he died |
| 08:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | But seriously, I need a way to temp ban myself from the forums :/ |
| 08:15.09 | Tem | make a post that looks like a keylogger post |
| 08:15.16 | Tem | an overzealous mod will ban you |
| 08:15.17 | art3mis | Thunder_Child: focal point would be the big thing, if the second has a focal of say 2 feet and the first has one of 8 feet |
| 08:15.20 | Tem | then you can appeal |
| 08:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That might work |
| 08:15.48 | art3mis | Thunder_Child: the more expensive 1 is gonna be less efficient since it would need to draw more power to achieve the same lumens at that distance |
| 08:15.58 | bleeter | Tem: that kinda stuff's awesome when it comes off, makes me rofl on my mage |
| 08:16.06 | Thunder_Child | art3mis, why? |
| 08:16.16 | art3mis | cuz technically it's brighter |
| 08:16.27 | art3mis | if you were to copare both at the same focal |
| 08:16.29 | art3mis | compare |
| 08:16.33 | Thunder_Child | ah, ok i see what you mean |
| 08:16.38 | Thunder_Child | i had them backwards |
| 08:16.53 | art3mis | a focal of 15 is gonne be at least 4 times as bright as a focal of 3 if both are measured at 3 |
| 08:16.56 | Thunder_Child | well there isnt any focal point |
| 08:16.58 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: hah, well, thanks for saying the words that were hidden behind my post ;) |
| 08:17.03 | Thunder_Child | but distance can be |
| 08:17.05 | art3mis | thats more than likely the difference |
| 08:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: any time... |
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| 08:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: that's what happens when I'm up late at night and reading forums |
| 08:17.29 | art3mis | oh scythe! |
| 08:17.30 | bleeter | I'm assuming that was you replying to my post trying to find a way to be kind |
| 08:17.32 | art3mis | figlet! |
| 08:17.40 | bleeter | as in, I was trying to find a way of being kind |
| 08:17.42 | art3mis | make an entire post of filgetted words |
| 08:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: bad things involving some of my many forum trolls |
| 08:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ art3mis |
| 08:17.51 | art3mis | like grape and scrape |
| 08:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Could also work |
| 08:18.17 | bleeter | art3mis: an EU Blue the other day had 'skyscraper' jumbled ;) |
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| 08:18.54 | Rayne | evening everyone |
| 08:18.59 | bleeter | I wonder if the blue posters have a mini-thesaurus next to their workstations so they can avoid getting words jumbled on the forums |
| 08:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 08:19.46 | art3mis | laugh |
| 08:20.19 | art3mis | every reply shoul,d have contained "child#$%@#" as a replacement for whatever he typed ;P |
| 08:23.27 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: or start posting the lolcat bible ;P |
| 08:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 08:28.26 | Rayne | need some quick oppinions if you guys dont mind |
| 08:28.34 | Kalroth | We mind! |
| 08:28.46 | Rayne | Well too bad! |
| 08:28.50 | Kalroth | :( |
| 08:28.52 | |Jelly| | ~asktoask |
| 08:28.52 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 08:28.55 | bleeter | YES! << my opinion |
| 08:28.59 | Rayne | |Jelly|: shush |
| 08:29.56 | Rayne | my god photobucket is being a tard tonight |
| 08:30.17 | Rayne | oh its down for maintenence. dur rayne. |
| 08:31.59 | Rayne | excuse the crushed size |
| 08:32.08 | Rayne | http://www.freewebs.com/absorayne/WoWScrnShot%5F011608%5F012818.jpg Raid Frames, yes / no |
| 08:32.30 | Thunder_Child | not for anyone that needs to use them |
| 08:32.36 | Thunder_Child | both other than that they look fine |
| 08:33.30 | art3mis | hrm |
| 08:33.31 | Rayne | I got tired of them on the right side of the screen |
| 08:33.43 | Thunder_Child | s/both/but/ |
| 08:33.51 | art3mis | wonder if i should sell my ipaq rx3715 with 2gb SD |
| 08:33.52 | Rayne | and my Omen Mover macro is aparently broke now since 2.3, cause everytime I touch it, I get an error |
| 08:34.00 | Fin | ~ask |
| 08:34.01 | purl | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 08:34.01 | art3mis | appearantly they still go for about 250-300ish |
| 08:34.06 | |Jelly| | Do they fill L>R, T>B ot T>B, L>R ? Because that would make or break that with me. |
| 08:34.23 | art3mis | only downside is that it's still mobile 2003 |
| 08:34.41 | Fin | I have a networking issue I could do with some help on, if anyone has a minute - I know it's not the right place exactly but I've helped out other people with their sysadmin problems so I hope noone minds too much |
| 08:34.58 | art3mis | ask away poo face |
| 08:35.50 | |Jelly| | RAYNE: [02:34]<|Jelly|>Do they fill L>R, T>B ot T>B, L>R ? Because that would make or break that with me. |
| 08:36.14 | Rayne | checking' |
| 08:36.19 | Rayne | sorry I got a headache |
| 08:36.23 | Fin | I have a network at home. it is [PUBLIC 1 (FreeBSD)]===[INTERNET]===[PUBLIC 2 (Windows XP)]----[PRIVATE2 (Windows XP)] |
| 08:36.28 | Fin | if that makes sense |
| 08:36.38 | Rayne | No |
| 08:36.44 | art3mis | k |
| 08:36.48 | Fin | ie, two machines connected to the internet publically, and one sharing the connection off the public XP machine |
| 08:37.01 | art3mis | sort of retarded but okay |
| 08:37.24 | Fin | in the end I want to have the FreeBSD machine as the router (that's how I had it before) but when I moved flats it all fucked up |
| 08:37.32 | Fin | anyway |
| 08:37.41 | Fin | I've got samba on the bsd box |
| 08:38.02 | Fin | and everybody can see everybody, *except* the private xp machine can't see the public xp machine's shared folders |
| 08:38.14 | art3mis | share the drive from xp2 as a mounted drive on xp1 then mount that on the fbsd box |
| 08:38.16 | Fin | actually I haven't checked to see if the bsd machine can see the public xp machine's shared folders |
| 08:38.25 | art3mis | oh |
| 08:39.20 | Fin | the private xp machine can *see* the public xp machine, but when I try and browse it says "Access denied (you may not have sufficient privileges to access this network)" or something |
| 08:39.24 | Fin | -and- |
| 08:39.46 | Fin | I've been fiddling with Windows Firewall on both machines to see if I can fix it |
| 08:40.02 | art3mis | enabled netbios overtcp |
| 08:40.06 | art3mis | on public1 |
| 08:40.06 | Fin | yup |
| 08:40.08 | Fin | yup |
| 08:40.14 | art3mis | file and printer sharing enabled? |
| 08:40.23 | Fin | explicitly, not auto on both machines |
| 08:40.27 | Fin | yup |
| 08:40.30 | Fin | on both machines |
| 08:40.33 | art3mis | exception in the firewall for it? 135-139 |
| 08:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And 445 |
| 08:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | tcp/udp |
| 08:40.47 | art3mis | and 445 |
| 08:40.50 | Fin | it's there, set to local network only |
| 08:40.52 | Fin | yup |
| 08:41.05 | art3mis | 192.168.1.xxx on all 3 machines? |
| 08:41.09 | Fin | there's a predefined entry for file and printer sharing |
| 08:41.39 | Fin | no, it's 192.168.100.x on all 3 machines, but I don't need DHCP and Internet access works fine from the private machine |
| 08:41.46 | Fin | ie it can use the public XP machine as a gateway OK |
| 08:42.26 | art3mis | so priv and bsd have no issues talkig and sharing? |
| 08:42.35 | art3mis | but neither can talk and share with pubxp? |
| 08:42.38 | Fin | I set it up as a shared connection, then changed the (internal) IP on the public machine, and the default gateway on the private machine |
| 08:43.05 | Fin | that's been the only way I can get anything over to the private machine so far - copy it to the bsd machine and then copy it over to the private from the bsd share |
| 08:43.09 | Fin | oh! |
| 08:43.21 | Fin | I have now managed to get it so that I can see the private machine from the public machine and copy files, now |
| 08:43.24 | Rayne | I need to finish wrapping up Cherry Healer one of these days |
| 08:43.26 | Fin | that is a recent development |
| 08:43.32 | Fin | it's just the other way round that's broken |
| 08:43.42 | art3mis | oh btw |
| 08:43.54 | art3mis | you DO need to reboot when you enabled the netbios over tcp ;P |
| 08:44.09 | Fin | (thanks for this btw, I hate networks and they hate me) |
| 08:44.22 | Fin | I've had it enabled since forever, but just in case I will reboot both machines now |
| 08:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well, time to sleep |
| 08:44.47 | art3mis | reboot the priv machine after enableding the netbios and opening the port and as retarded as it sounds make sure it's the same workgroup ;P |
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| 08:45.55 | Fin | yup, I have, I've even double checked the cases for the workgroup name (not that it should matter in the slightest under windows, but, whatever) |
| 08:46.27 | Fin | I can ping the public xp machine fine from the private one |
| 08:46.41 | Fin | I'm just going to go and see if I can VNC to the public from private, back in a sefc |
| 08:46.44 | Fin | -f |
| 08:48.23 | Fin | yup |
| 08:48.33 | Fin | so it's not a networking issue |
| 08:48.46 | Fin | it's some fucking windows permissions cock |
| 08:49.33 | Fin | oh, and, when I reboot the private xp machine, and browse the local network -> windows network -> click on my workgroup: it complains that I don't have permission |
| 08:49.48 | Fin | *but* the shared drive mounted off the BSD box I can get to fine |
| 08:50.56 | Fin | oh, I know how to fix that now - I just do \\bsd box\, then it shows that it's in the workgroup I was just trying to browse and couldn't, and now the workgroup is browseable |
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| 08:51.39 | Fin | that's got to be that the private xp machine isn't trying to send the username and password at first |
| 08:51.53 | art3mis | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqRx3715Documentation |
| 08:51.56 | art3mis | ^^ rad |
| 08:52.12 | art3mis | are you lo0gged in as the same person? |
| 08:52.20 | art3mis | like both user1 on pub and priv? |
| 08:52.48 | art3mis | if you've got permissions enabled a lot of the time it doesnt even ask for login perms and assumes you're the same user on both sides |
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| 08:58.28 | art3mis | i guess ill install linux on my ipaq out of boredom |
| 08:58.59 | art3mis | following the rule of "because i can" |
| 09:00.13 | Fin | oh well, thanks for listening, you all suck except for art who sucks less |
| 09:00.24 | Fin | last time I try and help anyone else out, hmph! |
| 09:00.27 | Thunder_Child | Fin, i got out of networking for a reason |
| 09:00.40 | Thunder_Child | so i didnt have to help people like you |
| 09:01.09 | art3mis | still not working? |
| 09:01.20 | Fin | it hasn't been working since we moved in 6 months ago |
| 09:01.22 | art3mis | can you access back and forth in any way? |
| 09:01.36 | art3mis | turn off the firewalls on both machines and check again |
| 09:02.50 | Fin | the only thing that's not working, basically, is the private XP machine's ability to see or accesss the shares on the public xp machine |
| 09:04.20 | Thunder_Child | and you said it has access? |
| 09:04.26 | Thunder_Child | networking access* |
| 09:04.51 | Thunder_Child | are you using workgroup or domain? |
| 09:05.07 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Fin |
| 09:05.08 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Fin, pokes Fin repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 09:09.52 | Fin | sorry, I was just in the other room |
| 09:09.55 | Fin | workgroup |
| 09:10.04 | Fin | -s |
| 09:10.30 | Thunder_Child | multiple workgroups? |
| 09:10.33 | Fin | what were the ports needed for windows file sharing again? |
| 09:10.39 | Fin | no, just one, the same across all machines |
| 09:10.39 | Kalroth_ | Fin vs Windows, part deux |
| 09:10.47 | Fin | the private xp machine can see the workgroup OK now |
| 09:10.58 | Fin | and it can access itself and the bsd shares OK |
| 09:11.07 | Fin | it just can't even see what shares the public xp machine has |
| 09:11.20 | Fin | part deux cent more like |
| 09:12.05 | Fin | so, what are the XP UDP + TCP ports that need to have exceptions, again? I just want to double check |
| 09:12.41 | Fin | it's set up as TCP 139 + 445 & UDP 137 + 138 |
| 09:14.02 | Fin | that's the system defined settings for "File and Print Sharing" |
| 09:14.10 | art3mis | 445 udp as well |
| 09:14.12 | Fin | I can't even add a port, can't change it at all |
| 09:14.16 | art3mis | but other than that its right |
| 09:14.25 | Fin | it's not listed |
| 09:14.43 | Fin | but, I can see the private xp machine's shares and access them fine from the public xp machine |
| 09:14.45 | art3mis | can you access it with firewall disabled on both machines? |
| 09:14.46 | Fin | and they're set up identically |
| 09:15.08 | Fin | I'll give it a go |
| 09:15.18 | art3mis | that will help narrow down the issue |
| 09:16.14 | Fin | well, see you in a minute then, I'm not leaving the public XP machine connected to the net and that's where I've got my pietty session to my screen session to my irssi session |
| 09:17.01 | art3mis | umm why? |
| 09:17.13 | art3mis | its not like in that 5 mins of testing smoeone is gonna haxxor you |
| 09:19.11 | Thunder_Child | we would |
| 09:21.35 | art3mis | shush penfold |
| 09:28.38 | Fin | why is because I truly do not trust windows machines, is all |
| 09:29.12 | Fin | I've been on a machine that was hacked while I was installing the XP updates |
| 09:29.46 | Fin | and when I look at the logs on my BSD machine, the number of random login attempts is amazing! it's not like I advertise that machine at all, it's crazy |
| 09:30.12 | art3mis | so does it work? |
| 09:30.18 | Fin | the answer is, btw: disabling both firewalls doesn't affect the problem |
| 09:30.50 | art3mis | did you reboot both machines? |
| 09:30.54 | Fin | I'm going to buy some cigarettes |
| 09:31.14 | Fin | no, I didn't, but I'm pretty sure the firewall was disabled because the log files stopped getting updated |
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| 09:53.41 | Wobin | http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/lGkxNE.jpeg |
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| 09:58.06 | art3mis | silly aussie |
| 10:08.51 | art3mis | Skills/Certifications:HP, Xerox, multivendor printers, HP Dell, Lenovo laptop and desktop certifications desired. |
| 10:08.57 | art3mis | for a 15$/hr job |
| 10:09.00 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 10:09.18 | Thunder_Child | if thats all they ask for..... |
| 10:10.08 | Thunder_Child | it's hard to find netowrking jobs based on experiance nowadays |
| 10:10.17 | Thunder_Child | certs fill in for that |
| 10:10.25 | Fin | who cares, they're going to break whatever you do |
| 10:11.05 | art3mis | no i mean they wanna bay barely above a starbucks and reuire certs that cost oodles to get |
| 10:13.50 | Thunder_Child | though 20 min to DL a movie...cool |
| 10:20.25 | Thunder_Child | " BlizzCon doesn't have a time set in stone when it will happen. We have had a great time doing them in the past, but we have no details on when or if it another one will occur." and yet people would pay out their asses to go..for a company that likes money they seem to miss some rather obvious things |
| 10:49.43 | bleeter | anyone (US side) else's BG queue's broken? |
| 10:54.32 | Industrial | broken how |
| 10:55.21 | Industrial | I find it funny that people report the other faction as "boycotting av". Isn't it possible they just dont wanna play it causae it sucks? :P |
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| 11:03.43 | reqol | hmm, before (not sure when this was broken) I was able to use this macro /cast [nostealth,nocombat,nomounted] Stealth /dismount [mounted] if you spammed it, you would not be taken out of stealth |
| 11:04.02 | reqol | however, now the macro has a very small window of crapportunity in which it will take you out of stealth, this seems to occur invariably right as stealth is cast |
| 11:04.10 | reqol | so if you spam it to cast stealth, it will take you out of it |
| 11:04.18 | reqol | ruining the entire point of the macro, essentially. |
| 11:10.16 | Industrial | try putting the dismount before the stealth cast |
| 11:11.33 | Tem | or just use the auto dismount stuff |
| 11:11.47 | Tem | and then there's no need for the macro at all |
| 11:12.30 | Tem | also, this may be a side-effect of the recent stuff with certain spells toggling or something |
| 11:12.36 | Tem | basically, blame hunters |
| 11:12.41 | Tem | and try putting ! |
| 11:12.48 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:19.59 | reqol | why would there be no point for the macro if I use auto dismount? |
| 11:20.02 | reqol | I still want a spammable stealth button |
| 11:20.28 | reqol | removed the dismount portion and it still does not work |
| 11:20.58 | reqol | however, that exclamation mark worked quite nicely, thank you, Tem. |
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| 11:35.06 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 11:35.10 | Fisker- | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=3632.0 <-isn't that bullshit? |
| 11:35.56 | Fisker- | Hey, Just a quick note to say the Incgamers UI problem, which happened last Thursday/Friday (10th/11th Jan), was resolved in a matter of hours. Only people who downloaded a new version of UI Central during the period of time the hacked version was on the server would have been infected. |
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| 11:44.59 | Antiarc | Fisker-: "But stay tuned for your regularly scheduled hacking next week, when we'll systematically deny any problems for an extended period of time while we attempt to pop our heads out of our asses!" |
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| 11:54.49 | Fisker- | hehe Antiarc |
| 11:55.03 | Fisker- | it's funny how an issue spanning 2 days was resolved "in a matter of hours" |
| 11:55.18 | Fisker- | infact according to user reports it even happened prior to the 10th january |
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| 11:59.58 | testleK | FYI: fisheye seems to be down |
| 12:00.31 | testleK | oops lol wrong channel |
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| 12:28.11 | Wobin | well |
| 12:28.19 | Wobin | 48 hours is a 'matter of hours' |
| 12:28.25 | Wobin | it's just how large a matter it is |
| 12:28.41 | |pez| | jeeez, I need to do something about my need for sleep. |
| 12:28.47 | Wobin | In fact, 1000 hours is a 'matter of hours' |
| 12:30.21 | Fisker- | nahuh Wobin :( |
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| 12:46.01 | art3mis | matter of hours == "when we finally decided to do something about it after i had some supper and checked my emails to see if there were any enw penis enlargement mails i could respond to, oh and then i had to play pogo for a bit and i had a scheduled raid" |
| 12:48.22 | bleeter | Industrial: sorry for delay responding.. broken as in 'first available' being the only option, taking forever to join indicating only one instance of each BG is currently active |
| 12:48.29 | bleeter | tho I haven't re-checked in about an hour, now |
| 12:49.57 | Industrial | :s |
| 12:51.28 | bleeter | Fisker-: yeah, I think it seems like bullshit @ mmo-champ, but it's late and I'm not in the right mood to recheck timelines. |
| 12:52.03 | bleeter | Fisker-: reads to me like mmo-champ's swallowed incgamer's bullshit hook line and sinker without fact checking |
| 13:08.14 | Industrial | ~seen cogwheel |
| 13:08.17 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@c-67-164-121-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 7h 20m 49s ago, saying: 'We missed out this year :('. |
| 13:25.01 | bleeter | me: "I'm curious at Maticus' claim that only installs from 10/11 Jan were effected, as the first reports on incgamer's own forum suggests the issue went back to December 31st last year." |
| 13:25.15 | bleeter | plus a few other bits of ramblings |
| 13:29.41 | Industrial | I am listing all my BM hunter abilities that I need to operate with the actionbar (so I can try to lay it out logically, and condense them into macros) |
| 13:29.44 | Industrial | http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2005/06/index.html |
| 13:29.44 | Industrial | er |
| 13:29.55 | Industrial | http://pastebin.com/m7f8e8782 |
| 13:29.58 | Industrial | did I miss anything? |
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| 13:32.07 | mikma | i find it quite amazing that uicentral is infected again |
| 13:32.16 | mikma | they still allow people to submit .exe's ? |
| 13:32.19 | Josh_Borke | AGAIN?! |
| 13:32.51 | bleeter | nah, still talking about the one that got cleaned up on the weekend |
| 13:33.41 | bleeter | mikma: it was something like this. their own mod manager app was clean, but the file it got to perform update checks on the app was infected |
| 13:34.11 | bleeter | mikma: from my udnerstanding, they don't accept .exe mods. but the attack vector was from the update of their own .exe application. |
| 13:34.34 | mikma | ouch xD |
| 13:34.59 | bleeter | apparently they've 'stopped' the chance of infection of the update file by moving it to the server that hosts their ICD daemon |
| 13:35.44 | mikma | updaters.. don't you just love them? |
| 13:36.30 | bleeter | almost as much as I love hosting mission critical files on the same machine as an irc daemon |
| 13:39.11 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Grimtotem_Spirit_Guide .. /cry |
| 13:39.30 | Fisker- | ownt |
| 13:41.04 | mikma | ahahahah, AV afkers banned <3 (old news yeah but i just read it) |
| 13:41.36 | End | I'm not sure how "moving it to a seperate server" will prevent it from occuring again |
| 13:41.50 | Fisker- | not on EU servers mikma :( |
| 13:41.51 | End | the updater was downloading from the wrong goddamn server in the first place |
| 13:42.23 | Wobin | I so wanted the ghostwolf =( |
| 13:42.24 | Fisker- | End they probably gave up fixing it |
| 13:42.27 | Polarina | mikma: " LOL! GG Blizzard... you have officially drove the prices up on Hunters who ebay =p" :P |
| 13:42.52 | Fisker- | so they're just busy trying to cover it up with excuses |
| 13:42.53 | End | unless they mean they're not hosting the UICentral download -in general- there |
| 13:43.13 | End | in which case they are just avoid the fact that their site has really bad problems with security |
| 13:43.15 | Industrial | damnit, isnt there any decent actionbar addon besides bongos and bartender? |
| 13:43.16 | Fisker- | they probably have something like a rootkit or something silly |
| 13:43.38 | mikma | Polarina: rofl, epic combatpet, get one now, 200$! |
| 13:44.08 | End | that doesn't stop the attacker from infected legitimate addon zips, it just means its harder to hide |
| 13:44.54 | End | infecting* |
| 13:45.13 | End | what the hell? sun bought mysql? |
| 13:45.19 | Fisker- | what do you mean? :O |
| 13:45.27 | End | http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/ |
| 13:46.05 | Fisker- | not that |
| 13:46.08 | Fisker- | [14:44:07] <End> that doesn't stop the attacker from infected legitimate addon zips, it just means its harder to hide |
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| 13:46.37 | End | oh |
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| 13:47.02 | End | put your executable in an actual zip and hope the user runs it, or change the zip to an executable or something else wanky |
| 13:47.53 | Fisker- | yeah but i mean what do you mean it doesn't stop the attacker? :o |
| 13:47.57 | Fisker- | what doesn't stop the attacker? :O |
| 13:48.01 | Fisker- | getting a new server? |
| 13:48.25 | End | apparently they aren't hosting the uicentral executables on the main incgamer's server now |
| 13:48.38 | End | we know that server is vulnerable |
| 13:49.25 | Lopeppeppy | I can adapt a health-worker rule to this situation... "If it's an .exe and it's not yours, don't touch it." |
| 13:49.28 | bleeter | End: sun buying mysql is interesting... they'd been pushing postgres for quite some time |
| 13:49.43 | End | bleeter: yea |
| 13:50.25 | mikma | "Urda the Hammerfall Wind Rider Master is bugged and currently hiding out from the rain beneath the platform that she normally stands upon. She should be returning to her normal position in an upcoming patch." |
| 13:50.36 | mikma | that might have been funny :D |
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| 13:51.29 | bleeter | End: could've been worse... two years ago Oracle was allegedly looking to purchase MySQL |
| 13:51.36 | End | :o |
| 13:52.01 | End | I like one of the comments on slashdot |
| 13:52.07 | End | "Interesting surprise! I wonder if Sun will streamline the licensing madness that MySQL has become..." |
| 13:52.14 | End | "I'm sure that's part of the plan. Streamlined madness is what I've come to expect from Sun." |
| 13:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 13:52.42 | Lopeppeppy | My husband used to work for them, their insanity was anything but streamlined. |
| 13:52.55 | Bela|work | wait what? |
| 13:53.01 | Bela|work | Sun took MySQL? |
| 13:53.07 | End | yes |
| 13:53.09 | bleeter | http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/ |
| 13:53.17 | Bela|work | I hope they are keeping the community version |
| 13:53.31 | End | I'd be surprised if they didn't |
| 13:53.40 | bleeter | Given Solaris' moves towards full Open Source... ;) |
| 13:54.11 | End | another linky: http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/winds_of_change_are_blowing |
| 13:54.14 | Bela|work | true |
| 13:54.26 | Bela|work | I wonder if they plan to emrge in their existing db technology |
| 13:54.33 | Bela|work | or keep it separate |
| 13:54.33 | bleeter | no doubt they will |
| 13:55.02 | mikma | Snakes from a Hunter's Snake Trap can Daze players. <- go my children and abuse in BG :D |
| 13:57.00 | bleeter | Bela|work: not that SUn have much DB tech. From my experiences with Sun .au, they've always been pissed that Ellison got the better end of the deal on a big install |
| 13:57.36 | Bela|work | more likely they want to capitalize on the success that MySQL has and make it their db solution |
| 13:57.48 | Bela|work | without chainging it too drastically |
| 13:57.59 | cncfanatics | is there an addon that lists the patterns you miss and tells you where to get em ? |
| 13:58.32 | bleeter | cncfanatics: I tried using one called RecipeBook, but it always seemed to infinite loop on me and crash out (or similar). your milage may vary. |
| 13:58.32 | End | cncfanatics, I've heard of many |
| 13:59.12 | End | some of them have stupid names though, I saw one that looked really nice, but I wouldn't have found it if I hadn't been browsing :P |
| 13:59.15 | bleeter | cncfanatics: what I do, is use Fizzwidget's AdSpace. Every now and then I'll go check the AH, see which recipes I don't know and if they're limited supply, who sells them. Then I go and camp the NPC's ass |
| 13:59.18 | Bela|work | ooh, new irc client released for iPhone |
| 13:59.47 | bleeter | cncfanatics: AdSpace puts a tooltip in the limited supply recipes saying who/where and price |
| 14:00.08 | Lopeppeppy | cnfanatics, I was using Fizzwidgets something-or-another for that same purpose, esp. grazing the auction house. |
| 14:00.20 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: sounds like adspace |
| 14:00.35 | bleeter | general question: has fizzwidget ever done a mod that actually sucked? |
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| 14:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, not that I can tell bleeter! And yes, it was adspace. |
| 14:01.32 | bleeter | <3 gazmik |
| 14:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | I think one of his was my first addon ever. |
| 14:02.34 | bleeter | ooh, he broke your virginity? |
| 14:06.15 | ralfWORK | HALLO |
| 14:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | ROFL! |
| 14:06.34 | ralfWORK | =) |
| 14:07.41 | ralfWORK | anyone aware of an addon that tells you how far away you are from your target? |
| 14:08.40 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I'm aware of some that can guess in a rough range, but nothing can be exact. |
| 14:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | Look for "range" on any of the popular mod sites. |
| 14:09.03 | ralfWORK | mm k |
| 14:09.15 | ralfWORK | wonder why it would have to be guessed |
| 14:09.22 | cladhaire | range information isn't available, beyond the range of your spells, and interaction distances. |
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| 14:09.39 | ralfWORK | seems like that's something blizzard would make available |
| 14:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Seems like they don't want you to know exact distances, so they don't make it available. |
| 14:10.08 | cladhaire | what he said |
| 14:10.27 | ralfWORK | well obviously the blizzard gods have determined we are on a need to know basis, as with all things |
| 14:10.31 | ralfWORK | just seems odd to me |
| 14:10.31 | cladhaire | why would they want to give you distance in some fictional measurement system. |
| 14:10.34 | cladhaire | ? |
| 14:10.37 | cladhaire | what would it give you |
| 14:10.56 | ralfWORK | the ability of knowing when I'm too close for certain effects |
| 14:11.00 | Lopeppeppy | All we really need to know is that a spell is or is not in range. And they let us scan the spellbook to find that out, so we're set. |
| 14:11.01 | cladhaire | you have that |
| 14:11.02 | cladhaire | already |
| 14:11.10 | cladhaire | hence my question |
| 14:11.27 | bleeter | oO on the subject of Sun doing weird stuff... how did I miss them opening up the UltraSPARC T2 to GPL? Free 8 core 64bit processor? R.O.F.L.Z. |
| 14:11.54 | ralfWORK | I wonder how deadly boss mods does it then |
| 14:12.09 | cladhaire | using the things we've told you about |
| 14:12.13 | cladhaire | spell ranges, and interaction distances |
| 14:12.24 | cladhaire | but listening isn't cool |
| 14:12.30 | ralfWORK | what do you mean by interaction distances? |
| 14:13.28 | cladhaire | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CheckInteractDistance |
| 14:13.33 | ralfWORK | ok |
| 14:14.40 | ralfWORK | huh. interesting. |
| 14:15.04 | ralfWORK | I guess I just wonder on stuff like Prince |
| 14:15.06 | cladhaire | like i said, spell distances do what you want them to do |
| 14:15.15 | cladhaire | ... |
| 14:15.22 | ralfWORK | where wowwiki says the shadow nova is 25-28 yards, iirc |
| 14:15.37 | cladhaire | yes? |
| 14:15.46 | [Ammo] | 25-28 sounds like a good guestimate :) |
| 14:15.54 | cladhaire | they use spell ranges |
| 14:16.05 | Fisker- | [Ammo] |
| 14:16.08 | ralfWORK | obviously that doesn't fall under any of these interactive distances |
| 14:16.11 | Fisker- | you has 100 stacks of netherweave cloth? |
| 14:16.24 | cladhaire | ralfWORK: yes it does |
| 14:16.34 | [Ammo] | you can also use some guessing |
| 14:16.42 | cladhaire | if you have a 20 yard spell |
| 14:16.44 | cladhaire | and a 40 yard spell |
| 14:16.46 | cladhaire | (you do) |
| 14:16.52 | cladhaire | you know where the 30 yard spell is. |
| 14:16.55 | ralfWORK | I see 30 yards, 11.11 yards, 9.9 yards |
| 14:16.59 | cladhaire | jesus christs |
| 14:17.01 | cladhaire | SPELL RANGES |
| 14:17.06 | cladhaire | like i've said 10,000 times |
| 14:17.20 | cladhaire | feral charge is 8-25 yars |
| 14:17.25 | cladhaire | when i get OUT of range,m |
| 14:17.28 | ralfWORK | mm ok |
| 14:17.30 | cladhaire | i'm 26 yards from the mob |
| 14:17.46 | cladhaire | repeat ad nauseum |
| 14:17.53 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.02 | cladhaire | im' out of range. |
| 14:18.09 | mikma | damn |
| 14:18.10 | ralfWORK | how do you know? :) |
| 14:18.12 | bleeter | s/range/your mind/ :P |
| 14:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | Look at your spellbook and query it, ralfWORK |
| 14:18.49 | ralfWORK | I understand what you're saying now |
| 14:19.25 | Fisker- | i am going to rape and kill you all |
| 14:19.28 | Fisker- | but not in that order |
| 14:19.41 | ralfWORK | just seems funny to me that the information isn't something blizzard wants you to know |
| 14:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | It's their code, their game, house rules. |
| 14:19.56 | ralfWORK | also seems like it's a royal pain in the ass to document ranges of such things |
| 14:20.02 | ralfWORK | no shit sherlock |
| 14:20.25 | ralfWORK | I've figured that part out quite a while ago. doesn't change the fact that I can have an opinion of those house rules :) |
| 14:20.39 | bleeter | is inspect still 30 yards? I seem to recall they said the increased range recently |
| 14:20.46 | bleeter | *said they |
| 14:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | Rage against The Man is pretty "yesterday" |
| 14:20.58 | ralfWORK | naw |
| 14:21.01 | ralfWORK | not raging |
| 14:21.42 | ralfWORK | just trying to imagine the massive exploit they are concerned with people using |
| 14:22.23 | cladhaire | ralfWORK: Again, how in the hell does a magical fictional number matter to you? |
| 14:22.28 | Fisker- | i know how to circumvent blizzard's game and rules |
| 14:22.31 | Fisker- | just shout hard enough |
| 14:22.33 | cladhaire | its useless, unless you're concerned about your own spells, and you have full informatino about those. |
| 14:22.43 | Fisker- | let your QQ blot out the sun |
| 14:23.04 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:23.23 | ralfWORK | cladhaire: I understand the mechanics of deriving distances within the current construct. |
| 14:23.33 | cladhaire | and you still haven't answered my question |
| 14:23.39 | cladhaire | how does knowing you are X yards from a mob do anything for you |
| 14:23.49 | ralfWORK | why the hell would anyone want to know anything about the game at all? |
| 14:23.49 | cladhaire | considering the yard is an imaginary distance that only has relevance wrt spells |
| 14:23.58 | cladhaire | ... |
| 14:24.01 | ralfWORK | how about we all just have spells light up when in range |
| 14:24.08 | ralfWORK | and remove "yards" from all descriptions |
| 14:24.22 | ralfWORK | remove any distance description |
| 14:24.30 | [Ammo] | yards gives a pretty good idea on where you need to be |
| 14:24.44 | [Ammo] | just silly that the only country in europe that uses it is the uk |
| 14:24.45 | cladhaire | because people use those distances as reference points |
| 14:25.08 | ralfWORK | why would there be a way to say, have coordinates on a map, yet not determine a measurable distance from a mob |
| 14:25.24 | cladhaire | the coorindates are derived |
| 14:25.25 | cladhaire | not given |
| 14:25.28 | cladhaire | first off |
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| 14:25.33 | cladhaire | and we have no way to get the coordinates of the target |
| 14:25.45 | ralfWORK | right, I've figured that |
| 14:25.54 | ralfWORK | (the latter, not the former. didn't know that) |
| 14:26.02 | bleeter | well, you can |
| 14:26.07 | bleeter | but you need to be in range |
| 14:26.10 | cladhaire | yep |
| 14:26.11 | ralfWORK | DOH |
| 14:26.41 | cladhaire | there are addons that already approximate this as best as the API allows |
| 14:26.47 | cladhaire | just download one of them, as we suggested |
| 14:27.08 | [Ammo] | there has been some discussion about caculcating coordinates based on the coordinates of other players in your party and the spell ranges |
| 14:27.16 | [Ammo] | but that's not going to be perfect and almost impossible in instances :) |
| 14:27.35 | [Ammo] | not to mention doing it often -> nice slowdown |
| 14:27.35 | ralfWORK | Sorry. I didn't realize theorizing why blizzard created a limitation for us would be so frustrating |
| 14:27.43 | cladhaire | that's not whats frustrating |
| 14:27.47 | cladhaire | you not listening is what's frustrating |
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| 14:27.59 | cladhaire | they don't create limitations, they reveal information if they see a good reason for it |
| 14:28.14 | cladhaire | that's why there isn't an API function to get the type of hairstyle that my character has, even tho they could easily add it. |
| 14:28.34 | cladhaire | They have chosen not to give us an API function for range, and I can't see much of a reason why we'd need it, so I was sharing my perspective on the matter. |
| 14:28.52 | cladhaire | while giving you full informatino about how the range can be derived |
| 14:28.54 | cladhaire | and being ignored, mind you. |
| 14:28.58 | ralfWORK | not at all |
| 14:29.03 | ralfWORK | read what I am saying |
| 14:29.14 | ralfWORK | I understand the ways of deriving it now |
| 14:29.22 | ralfWORK | I was aware of deduction via spell ranges |
| 14:29.31 | cladhaire | great |
| 14:29.34 | ralfWORK | I am now aware of interaction distances, which I was not before |
| 14:29.36 | cladhaire | it took you 9 minutes to figure that out, even tho I told you |
| 14:29.44 | cladhaire | talking all the time, hence why I feel ignored |
| 14:29.47 | cladhaire | but that's neither here nor there |
| 14:29.50 | cladhaire | whats the current question? |
| 14:29.56 | ralfWORK | no current question |
| 14:29.58 | ralfWORK | thank you |
| 14:30.02 | bleeter | why am I still awake and reading IRC? |
| 14:30.03 | cladhaire | k |
| 14:30.24 | ralfWORK | bleeter: because everyone loves to see ops kick people out of channels |
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| 14:30.39 | End | cladhaire: that's your cue, kick him! |
| 14:30.43 | End | he's asking for it! |
| 14:30.44 | End | :P |
| 14:30.52 | bleeter | I never asked! LIEZ! |
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| 14:44.47 | malreth | hrmm... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7403-SystemMessageControlToolSMCT.html |
| 14:45.54 | malreth | the version uploaded by the actual author is rated lower... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7910-SystemMessageControlTool.html |
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| 14:53.55 | cladhaire | Fin: please dont' upload other author's work |
| 14:54.06 | cladhaire | I'm not sure why it was approved, but it should not have been. |
| 14:54.35 | cladhaire | I know this is an old admonishment |
| 14:54.38 | cladhaire | but it just came to my attention |
| 14:54.42 | Bela|work | and mine |
| 14:54.54 | Bela|work | and we can't find the originating curse version, if you are here and could help |
| 14:55.41 | Bela|work | fyi, it is not proper to post an addon you did not write unless the author of said addon asks you to (in which caseu it would be easier if they did it anyway) |
| 14:56.21 | Shirik|zZz | Unless it's Lightheaded and you're posting it on Curse |
| 14:56.22 | Shirik|zZz | then it's ok |
| 14:56.51 | Shirik | heheh |
| 14:57.00 | mikma | Shirik: or, PerfectRaid |
| 14:57.10 | mikma | oh let's see can i found either one of those in curse |
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| 14:58.29 | mikma | clad is safe, for now... |
| 14:59.41 | Matrix110 | omg this Addon |
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| 14:59.56 | Matrix110 | If it can route loot rolls to another window i will love it |
| 15:00.11 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen AnduinLothar |
| 15:00.14 | purl | anduinlothar is currently on #wowi-lounge (2d 39m 5s) #wowace (2d 39m 5s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 10h 38s, last said: 'lil busy'. |
| 15:00.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ~seen KarlKFI |
| 15:00.18 | purl | karlkfi <n=AnduinLo@ip72-211-199-75.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4d 15h 45m 30s ago, saying: 'sag_ich_nicht: what?'. |
| 15:00.25 | sag_ich_nicht | damn. |
| 15:01.22 | Matrix110 | urgs |
| 15:01.25 | Matrix110 | it fubars my whole chat |
| 15:02.12 | sag_ich_nicht | AnduinLothar: care to take a look at this: http://pastey.net/80764 ? |
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| 15:13.50 | Matrix110 | hmm auc still not using full scan still crashing when you try it? |
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| 15:40.06 | Industrial | hum |
| 15:40.11 | Industrial | I have 2/2 Rapid Killing |
| 15:40.40 | Industrial | this supposed to reduce my Rapid Fire cooldown BY 2 min |
| 15:40.48 | Industrial | its 3 normally so it should be a 1min cd |
| 15:40.54 | Industrial | still its a 3min cd when I cast it |
| 15:40.57 | Industrial | ... ??? |
| 15:41.18 | zenzelezz | thought it was 5 minutes normally? |
| 15:42.20 | zenzelezz | wiki says so anyway |
| 15:42.40 | zenzelezz | the reduction on the talent is passive |
| 15:44.32 | Industrial | ah |
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| 15:45.42 | _sysrage | my auctioneer scans just fine.. |
| 15:45.51 | _sysrage | but i guess i'm using the classic one or whatever. not the new one |
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| 15:46.42 | malreth | anyone here read the comic "Joy of Tech?" |
| 15:48.32 | Industrial | I did some time, had some funny stuff in it but I didnt really like most of it |
| 15:49.06 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it Industrial, you're such a noob |
| 15:49.07 | sag_ich_nicht | :( |
| 15:49.31 | Industrial | sorry for not knowing if talents change ability tooltips |
| 15:55.35 | Industrial | hm, but my ap trinket cd is 2 mins :| so ill have to use it either with bestial/intimidate or rapid/berserking :P |
| 15:55.45 | Industrial | hm bestial is 2min cd, intimidate 1min so hmm |
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| 16:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | Not having a good 2 weeks as a tech support person. The sheeple are totally over-running me at this point, and I'm aggressively thinking of lamb chops for lunch. |
| 16:11.51 | ralfWORK | you work tech support? |
| 16:12.54 | Lopeppeppy | I create/transfer websites and support the users in the new product, do training, all that. But we got an upgrade last week that the sheeple just are NOT understanding. Their incessant baaaaaaaing is driving me crazy. |
| 16:13.36 | ralfWORK | a thankless job. I'm sorry |
| 16:13.56 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple. It's what's for lunch. |
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| 16:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm close, kd3. I'm aggressively shopping for mint jelly. |
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| 16:20.15 | Fin | cladhaire: you talking about the copy of SMCT? |
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| 16:27.30 | malreth | Fin: i believe he was, yes |
| 16:27.49 | Fin | is there a copy of the site policy on this somewhere handy? |
| 16:29.09 | mikma | Bela|work: ping, Fin needs your tender attention |
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| 16:32.04 | mikma | so you're ok in the fact that people submit other people work in sites basicly? |
| 16:32.30 | Industrial | do I have to escape literal |'s in fontstrings? |
| 16:32.38 | Fin | I was talking to the author at a bit before I uploaded it (uhhhh June last year I think?), he implied he wasn't going to be developing it anymore; actually the reason I was contacting him was to ask if I could use some of his code |
| 16:32.57 | Fin | why do people jump to the worst conclusion all the time, really |
| 16:33.22 | Industrial | if you upload someone elses addont hat means he is out of control, mostly feedback |
| 16:34.43 | Fin | that's why I asked whether there was a copy of the policy somewhere |
| 16:35.33 | Fin | because I wasn't sure if it applied after the author has given permission to upload it elsewhere, or if the author can't be contacted, or if the author has explicitly stopped development / disowned it, etc. |
| 16:36.34 | Bela|work | I am back |
| 16:36.35 | Bela|work | sorry |
| 16:37.10 | Bela|work | no one is treating you like an idiot |
| 16:37.14 | Bela|work | are they? |
| 16:37.58 | Bela|work | its completely possible that the author stopped development, or gave you permission, at the time you psoted it |
| 16:38.01 | Bela|work | it WAS a while ago |
| 16:38.12 | Bela|work | but since he has posted it ON wowi, with a newer version |
| 16:38.17 | Bela|work | we are just trying to stay on top of things |
| 16:38.39 | Fin | it does feel like it a bit, with mikma's assumptions and Industrial pointing out the obvious |
| 16:39.07 | End | clearly you are just a bad person! |
| 16:39.14 | End | :P |
| 16:39.15 | Fin | OK, so, doesn't matter: just delete the version I uploaded if that's OK |
| 16:39.18 | Fin | or can I do that myself? |
| 16:40.16 | Fin | and, *is* there a copy of WoWI's policy somewhere? |
| 16:40.36 | Fin | I'm not sure I was even aware there was a policy at all when I uploaded it, to be honest |
| 16:41.08 | Bela|work | I am finding it one second |
| 16:41.12 | Fin | thanks |
| 16:41.25 | Bela|work | if I don't respond right away its because I am at work, so I tend to get pulled a few different directions |
| 16:42.35 | Bela|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=684&postcount=2 |
| 16:42.53 | Bela|work | specifically number 6 |
| 16:43.01 | Bela|work | although it doesn't go into much detail |
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| 16:45.00 | End | not to mention, an author could give you explicit permission :P |
| 16:45.20 | Fin | I've got the emails from him and stuff if you need them, but, what's the procedure, in cases like someone taking over an addon, or permission being given, or responsibility disowned, and stuff? I know you just need to cover your backs (and be the good guys too!) is it just ad hoc every time? |
| 16:46.06 | Bela|work | the rules probably need to be updated tbh. In my experience what actually happens is. If the author has given you permission (and this can be confirmed) we are ok with it. But the author has full rights to pull the plug at any time. In this case he has already psoted a newer version that was updated as recently as november. |
| 16:46.32 | Bela|work | its the only reason we flagged it |
| 16:46.42 | Bela|work | no one should be coming down on your about it |
| 16:46.58 | Fin | and I'm sure you've thought of this already and will at some point if you want to, etc., but, maybe you could add a link to this post from the addon upload area? I miss shit like this all the time :/ |
| 16:47.07 | Bela|work | I agree |
| 16:47.12 | Bela|work | and will recommend it |
| 16:48.14 | Fin | he didn't give me explicit permission, to be clear, but he did give me permission to use his code and sounded very much like he wasn't going to be doing anything on it again. probably the best thing to do would be to delete it, if that's not easy then I could upload a blank file and change the description to point to his proper version? |
| 16:49.00 | Bela|work | that or if he gave you permission to use his code, just rename yours so that it can be identified accurately as a fork |
| 16:49.08 | Bela|work | if thats what you want to do |
| 16:49.09 | End | I was covering the "you have the right to distribute legally" portion :P |
| 16:49.55 | End | when it comes to addons, most people play things a bit loosely |
| 16:50.05 | Fin | hmm, well it was never intended as a fork - I wanted to use his code in a Prat module I never wrote |
| 16:50.33 | End | (and that includes my own addons...as far as I'm concerned people can fork my addons if they really want, but I haven't actually given permission) |
| 16:50.56 | Fin | I'll mail him and let him know, that's a good idea, he'll probably be happy to explicitly state that it was OK for me to upload it :) |
| 16:50.58 | cladhaire | Fin: No one jumped to any conclusions, just wanted to let you know we'd be looking at it, because it shouldn't have slipped past us |
| 16:51.18 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 16:52.26 | Fin | cladhaire: I think mikma might've jumped a little bit (but he's not WoWI proper, right?) :P and, I'm glad to hear it :) sorry for getting grumpy myself |
| 16:53.15 | Bela|work | would people be interested in a sticky that basically outlines author etiquette? It wouldn't so much be a "this is what you MUST do or else" kind of thing. More an outline of things that throw red flags for people. There may be some things in it that ARE enforced though, like the reposting of code that isn't yours (and not given permission by the original author) or code that violates Blizzard TOS |
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| 16:53.36 | End | That might be a good idea |
| 16:54.04 | End | although |
| 16:54.15 | Bela|work | barring some topics that could be argued mind you |
| 16:54.34 | End | hmm |
| 16:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | "The pirate code is more a set of guidelines." |
| 16:54.42 | End | lol, Lopeppeppy |
| 16:54.58 | Bela|work | and it would probably be something that could be commented on, and updated as valid concerns are submitted |
| 16:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | I need to get me some rum and really watch those movies tonight, get pleasantly drunk with Jack for a while. |
| 16:56.55 | cogwheel | I think our next book should be "Learning to Program with Lua: A Biased and Dogmatic Introduction to the World of Computer Science." It would be a semi-humorous book filled with shoulds, and have tos in place of mays and want tos. |
| 16:57.16 | cogwheel | Our way is best. don't listen to anyone else |
| 16:57.40 | Fin | can someone chuck me a link to Viper's upload, please? |
| 16:57.56 | Fin | oh, got it |
| 16:58.17 | Fin | is it my connection that's slow, or WoWI? |
| 16:58.28 | Shirik|Ecole | wowi is fine for me atm |
| 16:58.29 | Bela|work | both? |
| 16:58.32 | Bela|work | heh |
| 16:58.40 | Fin | probably :) |
| 16:59.02 | cogwheel | ok... so i've determined it's not entirely cumcast's fault... |
| 16:59.10 | Shirik|Ecole | yes it is |
| 16:59.11 | cogwheel | i'm on a dedicated T1 right now and still getting 1s ping |
| 16:59.25 | cogwheel | (in IRC) |
| 16:59.30 | Shirik|Ecole | Everything is comcast's fault |
| 16:59.30 | Shirik|Ecole | and canada's |
| 16:59.41 | cogwheel | Comcast should move to canada |
| 16:59.46 | cogwheel | it would make it so much simpler |
| 16:59.47 | Shirik|Ecole | (11:59:33) -› [CTCP PING reply from NickServ]: reply took 0.344s |
| 16:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | Blame canada. |
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| 17:00.13 | cogwheel | so... it's on with zootfizzle now |
| 17:00.15 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cogwheel |
| 17:01.09 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=friS4OOcdgQ |
| 17:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | last bullet? |
| 17:01.32 | malreth | hilarious video about the downfall of HD-DVD |
| 17:01.42 | End | cogwheel: you should link to your "it's war" post on there :P |
| 17:01.50 | cogwheel | End: i would if i could find it :( |
| 17:01.53 | cogwheel | google doesn't have it yet |
| 17:02.00 | End | that's why I wanted you to link to it :P |
| 17:02.03 | End | I can't find it either! |
| 17:02.08 | cogwheel | guess i could just look up zoot's post history |
| 17:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | I don't see any bullets, cogwheel. I think I'm defective? |
| 17:02.14 | End | found it |
| 17:02.19 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: refresh? |
| 17:02.20 | End | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3773364525&postId=37728576843&sid=1#51 |
| 17:02.30 | cogwheel | End: ty |
| 17:02.39 | End | np |
| 17:02.44 | Fin | "The file extension .txt you have uploaded is not allowed. Please contact an Admin if you believe it should be allowed." - aiee! |
| 17:02.55 | Shirik|Ecole | why do you want to upload a .txt o.o |
| 17:03.02 | End | Fin eats babies. |
| 17:03.04 | End | that's why |
| 17:03.06 | cogwheel | end linked |
| 17:03.08 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:03.11 | Fin | to make some text available? |
| 17:03.13 | End | cool |
| 17:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... yeah, refreshing a few times is good. Sometimes the first one doesn't get through the college, and I forget. |
| 17:03.21 | Fin | why ELSE would I want to upload a .txt file? |
| 17:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | And Cogwheel... Lopeppeppy Sprocket is my toon's full name, so I find that last bullet to be hilarious! |
| 17:03.48 | Shirik|Ecole | to show the incompatibilities of newlines between OSes? |
| 17:03.51 | cogwheel | Ut oh |
| 17:03.56 | cogwheel | you must side with Zoot then :P |
| 17:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | That you're laying waste to me is not hilarious? *chuckle* |
| 17:04.42 | Fin | why on earth are .txt files not allowed? I could upload the same thing as a .lua file assumedly, and right now I'm just going to zip it and upload it, all I'm doing is making it harder for the user to find the file |
| 17:04.42 | End | cogwheel: stop laying waste to Lopeppeppy! |
| 17:04.46 | End | ;-P |
| 17:04.48 | Fin | -find+get |
| 17:04.57 | Shirik|Ecole | Fin: As far as I'm aware it's just a whitelist |
| 17:05.25 | Shirik|Ecole | Surely it's just that nobody ever anticipated a txt file to be uploaded, so it was never marked as permitted. You could always ask dolby-wowi |
| 17:05.30 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: well, i was trying to lay waste to zoot... you're just collateral damage |
| 17:05.32 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:05.38 | End | lol |
| 17:05.40 | Lopeppeppy | I'll take what I can get, Cogwheel. |
| 17:06.30 | Fin | that would make sense. maybe .txt files should be added then. I don't have the energy to find out where to suggest it other than the forum area that I have no confidence in :) |
| 17:06.53 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: are you feeling suicidal? you seem aweful eager to be laid to waste ;) |
| 17:07.21 | malreth | s/ to waste// |
| 17:07.31 | Fin | (+End eats RAW babies) |
| 17:07.31 | malreth | oh... nm... :D |
| 17:07.40 | cogwheel | hmm... |
| 17:08.17 | cogwheel | sorry... my mind doesn't get very dirty in the morning :P |
| 17:08.38 | cogwheel | I've been fired |
| 17:08.40 | cogwheel | true story |
| 17:08.47 | Fin | hmm |
| 17:08.47 | cogwheel | and re-hired by the new LLC they're forming |
| 17:08.51 | Fin | "You are not authorized to modify files in this category." |
| 17:08.52 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 17:08.54 | cogwheel | > |
| 17:08.57 | Fin | not sure which category it's talking about there |
| 17:09.19 | Industrial | <3 how wow armory locks up my ff on LOAD |
| 17:09.32 | Fin | that is a neat trick |
| 17:09.50 | Industrial | cogwheel: http://cogwheel.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=158&a=viewbug&bugid=4199 |
| 17:09.52 | malreth | cogwheel: that's messed up |
| 17:09.57 | Fin | oh! it's been deleterised |
| 17:10.02 | kd3 | heh, PTR forum's getting purged. guess it's time for 2.3.3 |
| 17:10.03 | Fin | Bela|work: cheers |
| 17:10.24 | End | kd3: I hopefully |
| 17:10.24 | malreth | yay |
| 17:10.41 | Fin | Bela|work: I've mailed Viper, I'll let you know what he says |
| 17:10.51 | cogwheel | malreth: we have a new investor but instead of selling shares of our S-corp, they are forming a new LLC that will be majority owned by the corp and minority owned by the new investor... |
| 17:10.54 | End | if it's 2.4 I'll have to give in and use cogwheel's addon (unless they'll do the castsequence fix + other fixes without ptr testing) |
| 17:10.58 | cogwheel | i don't quite understand why |
| 17:11.17 | kd3 | it's not, it'll be 2.3.3. there's a lot of bugs in the current build that can't wait til 2.4 and can't get hotfixed |
| 17:11.27 | kd3 | neth's already all-but confirmed it |
| 17:11.33 | cogwheel | and all of the operations, assets, and employees are moving to the LLC |
| 17:11.40 | kd3 | http://www.wowblues.com/us/233-lame-we-want-24-3909069698.html |
| 17:11.55 | Industrial | why o why does wowarmory.com work but eu.wowarmory.com lock up my ff |
| 17:12.43 | Fin | cogwheel, what does your company do? |
| 17:12.58 | End | they have 2.3.3 patch notes? |
| 17:13.01 | cogwheel | http://www.kistlerwine.com |
| 17:13.06 | Lukian | Industrial, easily solved, use Opera |
| 17:13.13 | Fin | ahaa |
| 17:13.39 | Fin | world of vineyards |
| 17:13.53 | kd3 | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/testrealm.html |
| 17:14.04 | kd3 | I'll be fixing the wiki in a sec |
| 17:14.14 | End | kd3: thanks! |
| 17:14.18 | Fin | "YOU ARE NOT PREPARED for the delights you will experience sampling our range of vintage wines" |
| 17:14.28 | Fin | sorrysorry |
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| 17:15.26 | Lukian | Oh thank god "Using a castsequence macro on a target moving out of range will no longer cause it to stop working." |
| 17:15.39 | End | given how few changes there, hopefully it won't take as long as 2.3.2 did |
| 17:15.40 | End | although... |
| 17:15.46 | End | 2.3.2 was on ptr during holidays |
| 17:15.59 | End | that does slow things down a little |
| 17:17.04 | Shirik|Ecole | So Cairenn |
| 17:17.09 | Shirik|Ecole | you never told us what you got for your birthday |
| 17:17.53 | Bela|work | its a smaller patch too |
| 17:17.59 | Bela|work | so it shouldn't take long at all |
| 17:18.18 | kd3 | next tuesday/wednesday, hopefully |
| 17:18.24 | Bela|work | I am sure they want to move on to 2.4 testing as soon as they can |
| 17:18.37 | Cairenn | early prezzie from hubby (before he went back to the US) was additional ram & hd for my computer, daughter gave me a book I'd been asking for, sister took me out for brunch & then yarn shopping, parents got me season one of law & order (the original series) on dvd |
| 17:18.55 | _sysrage | lol @ yarn shopping |
| 17:18.55 | Bela|work | so the notes are up, but not the ptr right? |
| 17:19.01 | Shirik|Ecole | yarn shopping? |
| 17:19.06 | Bela|work | nor the download =( |
| 17:19.17 | kd3 | us has no info. eu's got the patch notes up |
| 17:19.24 | kd3 | they're on the wiki now |
| 17:19.33 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.3 |
| 17:19.44 | Cairenn | yeah - remember, I crochet - yarn shopping is fun, got some really nice stuff to make myself a scarf with |
| 17:19.49 | Bela|work | I wonder what they did to improve loading times for new characters |
| 17:19.59 | Bela|work | and I assume new characters mean (no cache) |
| 17:20.05 | _sysrage | you should crochet me a scarf with the horde logo on it |
| 17:20.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:20.27 | Bela|work | ooh, a horde scarf would be neat |
| 17:20.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I want a horde scarf |
| 17:21.21 | Bela|work | I see a business opportunity for you Cairenn. Too bad the logo is copyrighted |
| 17:21.31 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:21.40 | malreth | Bela|work: since it says "characters newly entering" and not "new characters entering" i would wager it's an improvement on performance when you have an empty cache such as after a major patch or something |
| 17:21.45 | _sysrage | i'll pay under the table and say it was a gift |
| 17:22.14 | Bela|work | aye thats what I figured too |
| 17:22.17 | Cairenn | I could make them with our own logo on them ;) |
| 17:22.35 | malreth | Cairenn: knit one of these... but instead of a frog, make it a murloc: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=8880673 |
| 17:22.36 | End | yeah, does sound like something dealing with the cache |
| 17:22.38 | Bela|work | so probably an enhancement in caching, or less being cached |
| 17:22.41 | Bela|work | or both |
| 17:22.44 | _sysrage | i interpreted it as when you first log in. either way it says 'slight' improvement which probably means you won't notice it but if you use a stopwatch you might see a half second improvement |
| 17:22.55 | End | or retrieving cachable items |
| 17:22.57 | Cairenn | ROFL! |
| 17:23.09 | End | it could be |
| 17:23.22 | End | I dunno, we'll have to see I guess |
| 17:23.50 | malreth | Cairenn: the X-ed out eyes would be a nice added touch |
| 17:24.01 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 17:32.46 | cogwheel | general forum dead for anyone else? |
| 17:33.05 | cogwheel | (not a complaint i suppose :P ) |
| 17:33.10 | Shirik|Ecole | all the forums are pretty much dead to me |
| 17:33.17 | Shirik|Ecole | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 17:33.17 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
| 17:33.19 | cogwheel | ui is working fine for me... |
| 17:33.34 | Shirik|Ecole | for me it's really really slow |
| 17:33.40 | Kalroth | Stop leeching porn |
| 17:33.45 | cogwheel | ???wow.web.forums.error500.message??? |
| 17:33.47 | cogwheel | on general |
| 17:33.51 | cogwheel | but every other one works fine |
| 17:33.53 | Shirik|Ecole | obviously cogwheel gets preferential treatment on the forums |
| 17:33.57 | Kalroth | lol |
| 17:34.22 | Shirik|Ecole | that's what I get on general too cogwheel |
| 17:34.30 | cogwheel | yes... my connections get shunted to a private server just for blizzies and mvps |
| 17:34.44 | Kalroth | That's because cogwheel is a patriot and you're not, Shirik |
| 17:36.39 | Lopeppeppy | If they did that, Cogwheel, our connection would be worse. :P |
| 17:36.40 | malreth | Kalroth: you mean to say "Comrade" |
| 17:37.05 | cogwheel | malreth: NO U! |
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| 17:37.49 | Kalroth | malreth: No, cogwheel checked the box saying "Bush is doin' a damn fine job!" when signing up for WoW |
| 17:37.57 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 17:38.04 | cogwheel | supporting bush =/= patriotism |
| 17:38.15 | cogwheel | s/bush/the president/ |
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| 17:39.19 | cogwheel | hai kamdis |
| 17:39.26 | Kalroth | cogwheel: That's communist talk, son. Communists live on Cuba, not in the US of A! |
| 17:39.46 | Lopeppeppy | We all float down here. |
| 17:39.55 | cogwheel | Kalroth: it doesn't go left and right... there's up too... lern2libertarian imo :P |
| 17:40.05 | cogwheel | +just |
| 17:40.33 | Kalroth | cogwheel: We're still talking about politics and not pinkos, right? |
| 17:40.33 | kamdis | hi cog |
| 17:40.36 | Kalroth | I'm just checking. |
| 17:41.01 | cogwheel | this country was built on skepticism of government... imo, disagreeing with the powers that be is as patriotic as you can get :P |
| 17:41.47 | Kalroth | cogwheel: There's that communist talk again! If you ain't with Bush, you should move out of Texas, err I mean America! |
| 17:41.54 | cogwheel | http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html |
| 17:42.23 | cogwheel | umm... communists are in love with the government... |
| 17:42.37 | cogwheel | the government is their greatest tool |
| 17:42.54 | cogwheel | commies & neocons are a lot closer than either are willing to admit |
| 17:42.56 | Kalroth | I know, I'm a poor political troll :( |
| 17:43.15 | Kalroth | I'm just a bored European that's tired of the American election in our news |
| 17:43.21 | cogwheel | HA! |
| 17:43.26 | cogwheel | you have to deal with our election news? |
| 17:43.29 | cogwheel | sux4u |
| 17:43.42 | Kalroth | "US FIRST LADY MIGHT BE BLACK, PIERCED OR A SLUT." |
| 17:43.42 | cogwheel | (really... you have my condolences) |
| 17:44.04 | Kalroth | Todays headlines. |
| 17:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. I'd vote for the slut, more avenues of negotiation. |
| 17:44.48 | Fin | until they're all filled! |
| 17:45.09 | Fin | see what I did there |
| 17:45.11 | Fin | did you |
| 17:45.26 | Fin | did you see what I did |
| 17:45.33 | nevcairiel | stupid quiz, i'm a centrist, how helpful was that .P |
| 17:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | Fin... no such thing. |
| 17:47.15 | Kalroth | Man, the only good thing in the news is the daily naked chick |
| 17:47.26 | kamdis | Heh. that quiz says I'm Libertarian, which in fact I am. |
| 17:47.31 | Fin | are you reading The Sun? |
| 17:47.43 | Kalroth | Fin: Nope, danish local newspaper |
| 17:47.55 | Fin | hey you know, they got rid of the naked weathergirl off of TV Nova in CZ! |
| 17:48.05 | Kalroth | Apparently some american got cancer after eating 2 bags of microwave popcorn every day for 10 years |
| 17:48.20 | Fin | no way! he died? |
| 17:48.28 | Fin | there should've been a warning on the packet |
| 17:48.41 | Fin | that's just irresponsible, I hope they get sued by his family |
| 17:48.46 | Kalroth | Not yet, his ambulance lawyers wont let him die yet. |
| 17:49.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881787995&sid=1&pageNo=2#22 <-- a masterpiece on the CS forums |
| 17:49.06 | Kalroth | http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2241624,00.html |
| 17:49.32 | Matrix110 | Polarina btw a improvement for RelegationW dunno if thats possible but: Only record messages from Players you reported that would ease it quite a bit :P |
| 17:49.35 | Fin | ah, well, good to see things are being put to rights |
| 17:50.34 | Shirik|Ecole | rofl |
| 17:50.48 | Shirik|Ecole | "I Got a picture and video tape of this and any means of me knowing that you r trying to cover this or delete this i will put this on myspace and youtube.com so dont press my luck(you guys r acting like the government)i let no disrepect me and i let no one tell me how to play my game if im paying 14.95" |
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| 17:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | He is such a classy poser |
| 17:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | *poster |
| 17:51.10 | ScytheBlade1 | But I assume poser might work there too |
| 17:51.27 | nevcairiel | wth |
| 17:51.29 | Polarina | Matrix110: Not really, since people usually report one of the, let's say 7 lines, and the rest wouldn't then become recorded. |
| 17:51.45 | malreth | "you thinks for insults but im a ufc fighter i get angrey very quick" |
| 17:51.52 | Fin | may I introduce you to an ex-member of our guild, Jahnee: http://fin.instinct.org/movies/jahnees-shout-out.flv |
| 17:52.03 | Fin | -guild+server |
| 17:52.04 | Matrix110 | cant you record like the last 20lines and check what messages came from the Reported player? |
| 17:52.10 | Fin | he was never in my guild! never not once |
| 17:52.29 | Polarina | Matrix110: Why is that a issue? |
| 17:52.38 | ralfWORK | again |
| 17:52.53 | Matrix110 | Uhm because deleting 4000 lines is quite annoying? :P |
| 17:53.08 | Polarina | Matrix110: I used to do it that way, but I do it the opposite way now. ;) |
| 17:53.13 | cogwheel | is CDN still > USD? |
| 17:53.31 | Matrix110 | yes cogwheel atleast some days ago it was |
| 17:53.44 | Matrix110 | or our news stations tell bullshit:P |
| 17:53.55 | Fin | ScytheBlade1: jahnee and your fella must know each other I think |
| 17:54.04 | Matrix110 | http://www.x-rates.com/d/CAD/USD/graph120.html |
| 17:54.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Fin: I lack flash on this computer, so that link is kinda worthless to me :) |
| 17:54.20 | Polarina | Matrix110: I open the file, and create a empty one, Ctrl+X (Cut) and Ctrl+V (Paste) all gold spamming messages I see to the new empty file and then after I'm done, remove all the "good" lines from the original file and cut and paste the lines in the new file to the original. :) |
| 17:54.20 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone says my lunch is so unhealthy! |
| 17:54.22 | Fin | use .avi then |
| 17:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | But then they want a french fry. |
| 17:54.35 | Matrix110 | hmm good idea aswell :P |
| 17:54.37 | Fin | Jahnee: http://fin.instinct.org/movies/jahnees-shout-out.avi |
| 17:54.38 | cogwheel | I keep seeing places with higher CDN sticker prices than USD |
| 17:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | eesh, that's a big file |
| 17:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But downloading |
| 17:55.42 | |Jelly| | oh noes! A ram is chasing me! |
| 17:56.17 | Fin | the guy is seriously a genius! he's also the supreme overlord of our server apparently! it's very exciting! |
| 17:56.40 | Fin | I have so much to learn from his teachings |
| 17:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Fin: what the crap |
| 17:57.01 | Fin | it was his goodbye message to our server |
| 17:57.06 | malreth | the quiz scored me as a liberal libertarian... |
| 17:57.12 | malreth | which i find highly offensive |
| 17:57.14 | malreth | :D |
| 17:57.17 | ralfWORK | oh I wanna do the quiz |
| 17:57.37 | malreth | but i can see why |
| 17:57.47 | Fin | it might be highly offensive, but at least you recognise it's right to be so |
| 17:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Fin: the crap |
| 17:58.04 | ralfWORK | I think I rank between anarchist and survivalist |
| 17:58.23 | Fin | ScytheBlade1: que |
| 17:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kinda what I'm wondering |
| 17:58.55 | Fin | but, you feel inspired, right? |
| 17:59.00 | ralfWORK | malreth: which quiz is this? |
| 17:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I feel violated |
| 17:59.07 | malreth | http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html |
| 17:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | As does the english language |
| 17:59.11 | ralfWORK | k |
| 18:00.29 | malreth | the problem is i would rather have federal standards controlling the quality of drugs.. essentially expand the FDA scope a bit... i wanna make sure that if i'm buying smack that it's quality smack |
| 18:00.50 | ralfWORK | hahaha |
| 18:01.09 | ralfWORK | nice, almost dead center libertarian |
| 18:01.23 | ralfWORK | questions are far too vague though |
| 18:01.39 | cogwheel | ralfWORK: yeah... I think they should make a more in-depth one |
| 18:01.54 | ralfWORK | I often score libertarion on these things |
| 18:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 18:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | CS:S |
| 18:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | A HAHA |
| 18:02.02 | ralfWORK | so I'm not saying it's wrong |
| 18:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH |
| 18:02.05 | cogwheel | but for proving the point of the false dichotomy of left-right, it serves its purpose well |
| 18:02.21 | Fin | heheh |
| 18:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "I'm going to be playing a REAL game! CS:S!" |
| 18:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I lol'd |
| 18:02.48 | ralfWORK | here is the dichotomy between left and right false? |
| 18:02.50 | Fin | great words from a great man |
| 18:03.06 | Fin | inspiring |
| 18:03.39 | Fin | an appropriate response to something that touched you so deeply |
| 18:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a little bit liberal. *shrug* |
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| 18:03.49 | ralfWORK | ewwww groooooosss |
| 18:03.56 | ralfWORK | j/k |
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| 18:05.26 | cogwheel | ralfWORK: the false dichotomy is apparent when you consider how people classify fascists vs. communists. For all intents and purposes, they are essentially the same: everybody's labor is in service of the people. The differences are in the minutiae. Yet people classify communism as far left, and fascism as far right. Also, on a left-right scale I score right in the middle, but i am very much... |
| 18:05.27 | cogwheel | ...NOT a middle of the road voter |
| 18:06.02 | ralfWORK | hmm. ok. |
| 18:06.15 | cogwheel | I have extremely strong feelings about most issues, and it's somewhat offensive that I physically cannot be represented on the left-right spectrum while preserving the nature of my beliefs |
| 18:06.23 | Fin | cogwheel gives me faith in humanity again |
| 18:06.45 | Josh_Borke | how can you be physically represented in something with a physical representation? |
| 18:06.48 | ralfWORK | you're taking 'centerist' to mean 'a wet blanket that doesn't know what they want' |
| 18:06.53 | Josh_Borke | s/with/without/ |
| 18:07.16 | cogwheel | Josh_Borke: but it does... people draw political spectrums on paper all the time :P |
| 18:07.27 | cogwheel | drawing = physical representation ;) |
| 18:10.06 | Fin | I hate that |
| 18:10.23 | Fin | you start wondering if it's really deleting something more than you intended |
| 18:10.32 | Lopeppeppy | Trying to reproduce a bug is... infuriating. *sigh* |
| 18:10.53 | ralfWORK | there is no such thing as bad software |
| 18:10.55 | ralfWORK | only bad users |
| 18:11.06 | ralfWORK | (ok I made that up just now, but it sounded good) |
| 18:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure if this bug is indeed bad software, software conflict or a bad computer without the RAM to do the work. |
| 18:12.35 | End | check yer damn pointers!? |
| 18:12.36 | End | :P |
| 18:12.52 | Lopeppeppy | Not my pointers to check... but working on it from lots of angles. |
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| 18:16.25 | kamdis | cogwheel, now I'm wracking my brain for the right Dino "rawr" descriptor. |
| 18:16.44 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 18:16.49 | cogwheel | RAWR |
| 18:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | A mighty barbarian dinosaur YAWP! |
| 18:17.29 | kamdis | hee hee |
| 18:17.40 | cogwheel | edited |
| 18:17.55 | kamdis | rofl. that's perfect. |
| 18:17.57 | malreth | http://www.barebones.com/support/textwrangler/notes_tw23.shtml "Lua language support is now built-in." WOOT! |
| 18:18.00 | kamdis | and quite punny too. |
| 18:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | Whatcha editing, kamdis? |
| 18:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | And/or Cogwheel? |
| 18:19.03 | kamdis | cogwheel's edited this http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4028093229&sid=1 |
| 18:19.05 | kd3 | whee, the katamari damacy soundtrack just popped in my playlist |
| 18:19.09 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4028093229&sid=1&pageNo=1#11 |
| 18:19.14 | kamdis | He originally used "chutzpah" |
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| 18:26.53 | ralfWORK | see I hate questions like this |
| 18:26.53 | ralfWORK | Is outsourcing of American jobs justified if it allows for cheaper goods? |
| 18:27.32 | Lopeppeppy | Take out the "if" statement. Decide on the basic issue, not the impulsive qualifier statement. |
| 18:29.59 | ralfWORK | :P |
| 18:31.15 | Lopeppeppy | *shrug* Basic debate logic. |
| 18:34.24 | malreth | outsource american jobs -> people in other countries get more jobs -> they make more money -> standard of living increases -> cost of living increases -> they want to make more money to keep up -> they get paid more, raising costs |
| 18:34.33 | malreth | meanwhile, standard of living drops here |
| 18:34.45 | malreth | then it all evens out and it becomes cheaper to do the labor here |
| 18:34.50 | malreth | and the whole cycle repeats again |
| 18:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | When I want a cycle I'll buy a Harley? |
| 18:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go, shred complete. |
| 18:45.04 | |Jelly| | You only get arena points from one team, right? |
| 18:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 18:45.08 | End | yes |
| 18:45.18 | |Jelly| | Oh. ArenaFu is stupid then. lol |
| 18:45.28 | malreth | interesting phone tip over on lifehacker.com... to speed through a voice menu tree and get to a real human, start swearing. some voice activated systems are configured to detect frustration and route you to a CSR posthaste. |
| 18:45.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 18:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome |
| 18:45.43 | ralfWORK | omg |
| 18:50.24 | kamdis | sweet |
| 18:50.49 | _sysrage | that's never worked for me.. i almost always end up saying "give me a representative god fucking damnit" and it still doesn't know |
| 18:51.25 | _sysrage | people should be shot for designing those where you can't always just hit 0 |
| 18:51.28 | |Jelly| | I let my dogs bark into mine. |
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| 19:02.15 | Thunder_Child | "Sun Microsystems will plunk down $1 billion to buy MySQL, the maker of a popular open-source database." hmmm...i'm not sure if thats good or bad |
| 19:04.26 | _sysrage | ya. i'm leary too.. they'd really have to try hard to screw up mysql's foundation, but it's possible |
| 19:05.41 | sdouble | sun and oracle are "partners" Not sure if that means one owns the other or not |
| 19:06.06 | sdouble | but seeing as mysql would be a competitor of oracle, may not mean good things |
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| 19:10.19 | Industrial | cogwheel: ping |
| 19:10.44 | Industrial | < Lukian> Industrial, easily solved, use Opera |
| 19:11.37 | Industrial | Lukian: I know opera is faster with javascript but it doesn't allow for the extendability firefox does. It has these little applet things but I'd like to change the way how tabbing works, etc :> |
| 19:13.31 | cogwheel | Industrial: pong |
| 19:14.06 | haste | Opera also uses QT >:( |
| 19:14.14 | haste | the GUI feels so slugish |
| 19:14.39 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 19:15.00 | |Jelly| | Our first 6 games 5v5 were against a team ... 450 rating higher than us. |
| 19:15.25 | Thunder_Child | so you won them all...right? |
| 19:15.50 | |Jelly| | The power of christ compelled me ... to die first every time. |
| 19:16.42 | Thunder_Child | i know that one |
| 19:21.44 | cogwheel | ow |
| 19:23.31 | Lunessa | What also floats? "very small rocks" |
| 19:23.44 | |Jelly| | A duck! |
| 19:24.01 | malreth | churches |
| 19:24.17 | Thunder_Child | corpses |
| 19:25.17 | cogwheel | we have an entire church built out of a single redwood tree... I bet it would float |
| 19:28.18 | ralfWORK | dead babies? |
| 19:28.42 | ralfWORK | ksorreh |
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| 19:29.17 | cogwheel | anyone know of a dummy guide to setting up an irssi proxy? |
| 19:29.30 | cogwheel | (had less than fruitful googling last night) |
| 19:31.49 | ralfWORK | I don't sorry |
| 19:32.00 | ralfWORK | I just SSH to my box outside the firewall |
| 19:32.05 | ralfWORK | and irc from there :P |
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| 19:32.59 | ralfWORK | or do you have some other reason for needing it? |
| 19:33.06 | |Jelly| | Are they bringing back group queue av? |
| 19:33.21 | kd3 | it'd be nice |
| 19:34.10 | _sysrage | they should. i don't get why people cry over premades |
| 19:34.21 | _sysrage | and no i'm not part of one |
| 19:34.29 | _sysrage | but when i do pvp i wanna pvp with my friends |
| 19:34.38 | Esamynn|Work | because they fail at group making or they just suck in general? |
| 19:34.39 | Lunessa | because they want to play against other people who suc k? |
| 19:34.44 | _sysrage | lol |
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| 19:36.06 | Lunessa | Imagine for a moment that you play cards with your brother. And he beats you. Every. Single. Game. |
| 19:36.06 | Lunessa | How long before you start lobbying for someone else to play cards with? |
| 19:36.06 | |Jelly| | I kick him in the buts while he sleeps. |
| 19:36.06 | |Jelly| | nuts too |
| 19:36.20 | _sysrage | you don't get teamed up against pre-mades every. single. game. |
| 19:36.31 | Lunessa | That's the reason people whie about pre-mades. |
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| 19:37.14 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 19:37.55 | Lunessa | I should just give up hitting the enter button before checking for typos. |
| 19:39.24 | _sysrage | that's what purl's for |
| 19:39.32 | _sysrage | s/for/4 |
| 19:39.44 | _sysrage | aww. purl doesn't like me |
| 19:39.53 | _sysrage | or i did it wrong |
| 19:39.58 | ralfWORK | you're doing it wrong |
| 19:40.05 | MentalPower | that's what purl's for |
| 19:40.06 | ralfWORK | s/'re/are/ |
| 19:40.06 | Fisker- | lol bleeter |
| 19:40.07 | Fisker- | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=3632.0 |
| 19:40.09 | MentalPower | s/for/4/ |
| 19:40.15 | kd3 | foo |
| 19:40.17 | kd3 | s/foo/bar/ |
| 19:40.57 | _sysrage | oh. bah. purl's so strict |
| 19:41.10 | _sysrage | ~botsnack |
| 19:41.10 | purl | thanks, _sysrage |
| 19:41.42 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/16/funny-pictures-walk-away/ |
| 19:41.59 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 19:42.09 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 19:43.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:43.18 | MentalPower | grr... confound this script |
| 19:43.57 | MentalPower | can anyone tell me why something in lines 73-90 in this script causes an out of memory error? http://wowi.pastey.net/80696 |
| 19:44.00 | Esamynn|Work | whatcha doing? |
| 19:44.15 | kd3 | damn it, UPS guy. get here faster. I need to swap HDDs so I can un-degrade my RAID5 |
| 19:44.59 | MentalPower | Esamynn|Work: I'm hashing about 100K files to find duplicates |
| 19:45.12 | Esamynn|Work | ahh |
| 19:45.17 | cladhaire | what shall I have from dinner? |
| 19:45.19 | MentalPower | well, 100K in one drive and 30K in another |
| 19:45.20 | Industrial | cogwheel: sorry I went afk lol :P |
| 19:45.33 | cogwheel | ZOMG Industrial PING |
| 19:45.35 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:45.45 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, you shall have full from dinner |
| 19:45.47 | Industrial | cogwheel: Have you seen my bugreport on CogsBar-1.10.1 ? the bindings arent working for me |
| 19:45.56 | MentalPower | cladhaire: usually some carbs, some proteins and some fats |
| 19:46.01 | cogwheel | Industrial: oddly, no... |
| 19:46.05 | cladhaire | I just got back from an intense workout |
| 19:46.06 | cladhaire | but i have no food |
| 19:46.07 | cladhaire | well |
| 19:46.09 | cladhaire | i have ramen |
| 19:46.11 | cladhaire | chocolate |
| 19:46.13 | cladhaire | a can of tuna |
| 19:46.15 | cladhaire | and peanut butter. |
| 19:46.23 | cogwheel | chocolate = antioxidants |
| 19:46.28 | cogwheel | tuna = omega 3 fatty acids |
| 19:46.32 | cogwheel | peanut butter = protein |
| 19:46.38 | cogwheel | ramen = carbs |
| 19:46.39 | MentalPower | oh dear... |
| 19:46.40 | Thunder_Child | choclate ramen tuna with a side of peanut butter? |
| 19:46.40 | cladhaire | MentalPower: what kind of memory error |
| 19:46.42 | cogwheel | sounds like you're doing ok to me |
| 19:46.44 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:46.48 | cladhaire | cogwheel: lol.. the tuna has 3 x the protein of the PB |
| 19:46.51 | MentalPower | cladhaire: out of memory |
| 19:46.52 | cogwheel | true |
| 19:46.59 | cladhaire | MentalPower: odd =/ |
| 19:47.00 | malreth | omg... a screw just fell out of my laptop |
| 19:47.02 | MentalPower | indeed |
| 19:47.10 | malreth | nothing good can come of this |
| 19:47.12 | MentalPower | I've tried it about 4 times now |
| 19:47.19 | cladhaire | malreth: CATCH IT! |
| 19:47.20 | Thunder_Child | malreth, at least it's in good company |
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| 19:47.35 | cladhaire | okay, i'm off to shower, then gonna go scour the city for food |
| 19:47.53 | MentalPower | and since it takes a good 5hrs to crash, I'd rather find the cause before trying again |
| 19:48.12 | Industrial | cogwheel: when I try to bind a key the message window tells me that the key combo has been bount to button 0, whichever button I am hovering over. It also does it if I'm not hovering over anything. It also likes to bind SHIFT-LSHIFT when I just press that (not that its a functional problem because after that ill press eg shift-6 and it will bind to that..) |
| 19:48.18 | kd3 | ahaha, fark: [PSA] Atlanta to get snow today. EVERYBODY PANIC" |
| 19:48.20 | Industrial | bound |
| 19:48.23 | kd3 | how true that is... |
| 19:48.28 | cladhaire | MentalPower: first, flush your output after each write |
| 19:48.45 | cogwheel | Industrial: O.o |
| 19:48.50 | MentalPower | fair nuf |
| 19:48.52 | ralfWORK | kd3: you in Atlanta too? |
| 19:48.58 | cladhaire | MentalPower: that way when you crash, output.lua is up-to-date |
| 19:49.05 | Industrial | cogwheel: and then when I leave keybinds mode nothing is bound :P |
| 19:49.08 | kd3 | nope. I'm in south jawga |
| 19:49.11 | cladhaire | and code in a way to skip to a specific file |
| 19:49.12 | cogwheel | dolby-wowi: wtb e-mail alerts when people submit bug reports |
| 19:49.16 | Industrial | *tries again to make sure* |
| 19:49.17 | kd3 | but I lived there for ~10 years, so the hysteria is real |
| 19:49.19 | cladhaire | as a way around it |
| 19:49.27 | cladhaire | cogwheel: there's an rss feed. |
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| 19:49.43 | cogwheel | i care for RSS about as much as I care for wikis |
| 19:49.47 | |Jelly| | ap are based off team rating, right? |
| 19:50.12 | Esamynn|Work | yes |
| 19:50.13 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel doesnt care :( |
| 19:50.15 | ralfWORK | kd3: I'm in ATL, been here for about 10 years |
| 19:50.20 | ralfWORK | I've seen when snow hits here |
| 19:50.24 | ralfWORK | it's mass hysteria |
| 19:50.29 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 19:50.57 | MentalPower | cladhaire: WTB Blizzard SV serializer, PST :) |
| 19:50.57 | kd3 | oh I know. I've been there when it happened. I was working in target when the news got out that we were getting snow that night... have never seen the grocery side that empty |
| 19:51.11 | cladhaire | MentalPower: i have a recursive table dumper, if that's what you're asking for |
| 19:51.17 | ralfWORK | <-- used to live 10 minutes from Jay Peak, Vermont. About 5 miles from Canada. |
| 19:51.18 | kd3 | s/that night/some random night/ |
| 19:51.19 | cladhaire | but they're trivial to write |
| 19:51.57 | MentalPower | cladhaire: well, thats what I'm trying to do |
| 19:52.07 | cladhaire | serialize.lua on the api repo |
| 19:52.22 | ralfWORK | I remember on the news |
| 19:52.35 | ralfWORK | they had big dump trucks on the highways going 5MPH |
| 19:52.36 | cladhaire | MentalPower: utils/serialize.lua |
| 19:52.47 | ralfWORK | with 2 guys in the back of each one, shoveling sand onto the road |
| 19:52.49 | cladhaire | it needs a bit of love, but it works |
| 19:53.09 | kd3 | ah, memories of snow in the south |
| 19:53.28 | kd3 | that and the inevitable news shots of SUV drivers thinking that 4 wheel drive meant 4 wheel stop |
| 19:53.37 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 19:53.55 | ralfWORK | there's 2 types of drivers in GA snow |
| 19:54.00 | Industrial | cogwheel: inc pics :p |
| 19:54.12 | ralfWORK | 1) those who COMPLETELY IGNORE the snow and keep hauling ass at 75 mph |
| 19:54.40 | cogwheel | Industrial: you have to click the button to bind a key to it |
| 19:54.41 | ralfWORK | 2) those who have never ever, EVER seen snow, and think the sky is falling. Thusly, they drive about 10 MPH on the shoulder of the road |
| 19:54.50 | cogwheel | not just hover |
| 19:55.00 | kd3 | yup |
| 19:55.02 | cogwheel | left-click to set the binding, right-click to clear it |
| 19:55.10 | Josh_Borke | ralfWORK: sounds about right |
| 19:55.19 | Industrial | I am |
| 19:55.22 | Industrial | an idiot |
| 19:55.26 | Industrial | lmao |
| 19:55.36 | Thunder_Child | qft? |
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| 19:56.08 | cogwheel | Industrial: though it would probably be a good idea to disable its keyboard grabbingness until you do click a button |
| 19:56.26 | Industrial | cogwheel: http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/184/wowscrnshot011608205337sl3.jpg |
| 19:56.45 | kd3 | woot, the PTR forum's been purged |
| 19:56.48 | kd3 | wtb new build |
| 19:56.59 | cogwheel | Industrial: tooltip sorta ruined it for ya, huh? |
| 19:57.00 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:59.03 | Industrial | >_< |
| 20:00.53 | Fisker- | nice |
| 20:00.55 | Fisker- | cockbar |
| 20:01.31 | Industrial | k |
| 20:01.32 | cogwheel | s/my/his/ i suppose |
| 20:01.39 | Industrial | why is there a smiley on the floor in orgrimmar? |
| 20:01.55 | ralfWORK | there's one under Kara too |
| 20:02.21 | cogwheel | there's also smiley particles in various bodies of water |
| 20:02.41 | Industrial | yeah the bubbles that rise in water |
| 20:02.55 | Industrial | if you zoom in to them some are really small question marks or smileys |
| 20:02.59 | Fisker- | i like the "Help me" texture in stonetalon |
| 20:03.05 | Fisker- | or something like that |
| 20:03.18 | Industrial | http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9422/wowscrnshot011608210118qi9.jpg |
| 20:03.21 | Industrial | hi2u smiley |
| 20:03.33 | Fisker- | fake |
| 20:03.39 | Industrial | actually |
| 20:03.44 | Industrial | my gfx card is broken :P |
| 20:11.43 | Fisker- | i hope it's 2.4 ptr we're getting though |
| 20:11.45 | Fisker- | and not 2.3.3 |
| 20:11.53 | kd3 | fat chance |
| 20:12.03 | Fisker- | no u |
| 20:12.07 | cogwheel | er |
| 20:12.13 | cogwheel | s/bou/doub/ |
| 20:13.21 | Fisker- | noooooooooo |
| 20:13.26 | Fisker- | http://www.wowblues.com/us/233-patch-notes-3909069888.html |
| 20:13.29 | Fisker- | 2.3.3 then |
| 20:18.35 | Lunessa | cogwheel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909065649&postId=39996940070&sid=1#5 |
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| 20:24.57 | MentalPower | clad|away: ping! |
| 20:25.05 | clad|away | pong |
| 20:25.28 | MentalPower | what is this line supposed to do? file:write(string.sub(indent,1,-3) .. (recurse and "}" or "}\n")) |
| 20:26.01 | MentalPower | (from serialize.lua) |
| 20:26.02 | cladhaire | it closes the current table, imo |
| 20:26.15 | cladhaire | at one level down from the current indent level |
| 20:26.34 | MentalPower | I'm especially interested in the string.sub() part |
| 20:26.44 | MentalPower | oh... hmm.... |
| 20:26.48 | cladhaire | that unindents one level |
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| 20:27.29 | MentalPower | so if I replace the indent from the current double spaces to a single tab I need to change the string.sub() to string.sub(indent, 1, -2) |
| 20:27.42 | cladhaire | yes, that should work |
| 20:28.18 | cladhaire | anyone have experience with: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/63763 |
| 20:29.44 | MentalPower | I have experience with the WRT54G and WRT54GL, tho the WRT54GS is extremely similar |
| 20:30.04 | MentalPower | they are the best wireless routers in my opinion |
| 20:30.14 | cladhaire | cause thats pretty cheap by UK standards |
| 20:30.14 | cladhaire | and i'll need one |
| 20:30.18 | cladhaire | and I dont have time or $$ to get the time capsule =( |
| 20:30.21 | MentalPower | either with the stock firmware or with DD-WRT |
| 20:30.40 | MentalPower | (I have DD-WRT on the ones I have) |
| 20:32.11 | cladhaire | Polarina: that quest is happily in the data files |
| 20:32.17 | cladhaire | I suspect there's an extra space in the API return |
| 20:32.20 | cladhaire | hence why it doesn't come up |
| 20:32.31 | MentalPower | I've had two |
| 20:32.53 | cladhaire | I had a WRTG54 at home |
| 20:32.55 | cladhaire | and I liked it |
| 20:33.18 | MentalPower | first was a WRT54GL that was with me for a few years, before I cooked its wireless chip (by increasing its power output *way* above specs) |
| 20:33.35 | MentalPower | the router part still worked tho |
| 20:33.48 | cladhaire | nice |
| 20:33.49 | MentalPower | the second was a WRT54G thats still with me |
| 20:34.47 | MentalPower | moral of the story, if you want more wireless range, buy better antennas before increasing the power output above 100mw (standard is 84mw, I jacked mine up to 250mw) |
| 20:34.57 | MentalPower | it worked for about a week before the chip was fried |
| 20:35.08 | cladhaire | range isn't a concern of mine |
| 20:35.55 | malreth | if you plan on using a third party firmware on it, check to make sure it'll work before purchasing |
| 20:36.15 | MentalPower | ah yes, good point malreth |
| 20:36.39 | malreth | some of the newer versions of the linksys routers do not run linux anymore nor do they have enough flash ram to take a non-standard firmware |
| 20:36.54 | malreth | or they run with a different processor chip |
| 20:36.55 | MentalPower | WRT54Gs v1-6 and v8 will work, v7 does not, and v1-v4 work best |
| 20:37.18 | malreth | also, Tomato is better than DD-WRT. :D |
| 20:37.19 | cladhaire | meh, i'm not too worried about running the linux firmware |
| 20:37.47 | MentalPower | v5 v6 and v8 will work, but they have less RAM so you need a micro distro and DD-WRT is the only viable option there |
| 20:39.07 | MentalPower | malreth: that might be true, but DD-WRT is the only one that runs on my router (v6) |
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| 20:40.14 | Lunessa | malreth: Quoting Sun Tzu earns you 5 honor. |
| 20:40.31 | malreth | i'm amazed at that guy |
| 20:41.21 | malreth | "dur... rouge keps runign arund me n i kant kast spelz lol i need markroz" |
| 20:41.43 | ralfWORK | Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays. |
| 20:42.28 | malreth | and i'm like, "dude... what'd you expect him to do?" |
| 20:42.55 | ralfWORK | this is better: To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. |
| 20:43.08 | ralfWORK | k, I did my job |
| 20:44.09 | Lunessa | As a keyboard turner and and caster, I hates 'teh pvp' 'cuz I suckz0r. |
| 20:44.49 | Thunder_Child | i prefer murphys laws of war vs. Sun Tzu's |
| 20:45.20 | Thunder_Child | s/vs./to/ |
| 20:45.32 | Lunessa | Murphy was an optimist. |
| 20:46.18 | Thunder_Child | no, Murphy was a realist |
| 20:46.32 | malreth | If those who are sent to draw water begin by drinking themselves, the army is suffering from thirst. |
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| 20:49.30 | Lunessa | And on the pedestal these words appear: `My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!' Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The lone and level sands stretch far away. |
| 20:51.46 | ralfWORK | I think Sun Tzu would object to that |
| 20:51.56 | ralfWORK | WWSTD |
| 20:52.02 | ralfWORK | lol std |
| 21:01.37 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i always think of nimoy and civ when i read that |
| 21:01.58 | Lunessa | He did read it well for that. But I'm a fan of the poem. |
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| 21:09.07 | kamdis | I hate people. |
| 21:09.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Me too |
| 21:09.19 | |Jelly| | Me too |
| 21:09.59 | kamdis | Glad to see I'm not the only misanthrope around. /hate |
| 21:10.13 | kamdis | Or maybe I'm just hungry. |
| 21:10.17 | kamdis | I don't know. |
| 21:10.21 | |Jelly| | Go eat. lol |
| 21:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmmm, they were epic pork ribs |
| 21:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | $13 a plate, and you get more food than any one person cat usually eat in a sitting. |
| 21:11.50 | |Jelly| | Stab someone's face off imo. Start with the mouth-breathers on the forums. |
| 21:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 9" ribs, 2"x2" |
| 21:12.29 | Lunessa | stabitty, stabitty |
| 21:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, lol, I have a picture (!) from the first time I had them |
| 21:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/BBQ-Close.jpg |
| 21:14.10 | Josh_Borke | they look pretty good |
| 21:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I grabbed a friend today because I wanted some more today, and it's been months |
| 21:15.00 | ScytheBlade1 | He took one bite, looked up with this look of awe on his face, and said, "These are rediculiously good" (only spelled right) |
| 21:15.32 | Josh_Borke | ridiculously ;-) |
| 21:15.41 | cogwheel | you can keep your ribs :P |
| 21:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Trust me, I will |
| 21:15.53 | Josh_Borke | typically, you can do better than restaurants :-D |
| 21:16.13 | cogwheel | Josh_Borke: not good restaurants... |
| 21:16.18 | ralfWORK | I know that spelling ridiculously can be hard, but I never understood why people start it 'red'... that part is spelled like it sounds :( |
| 21:16.21 | cogwheel | (at least not typically) |
| 21:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah you're right, ralfWORK |
| 21:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Now with you having said that I'll probably get it right as a result, though |
| 21:16.55 | ralfWORK | sorry, just giving you a hard time |
| 21:17.03 | ralfWORK | but I see that alot and always think... how? |
| 21:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, not a problem |
| 21:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "alot" I'm guilty of some times |
| 21:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But I generally get it right |
| 21:17.35 | ralfWORK | and when I see it that way, I say it in my head the way it's spelled and it sounds funny |
| 21:17.39 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 21:21.12 | ralfWORK | what is druid def cap? 430? |
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| 21:25.54 | nevcairiel | 2.6%, no idea if thats 430 :P |
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| 21:28.58 | ralfWORK | ahh 415 my bad |
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| 21:30.32 | Lunessa | pork ribs are the devil's work. |
| 21:32.28 | kd3 | sweet! I RMA'd a 500GB drive and they shipped a 750 |
| 21:32.38 | cogwheel | so, my wife and i never really understood the appeal of overstock.com.... they never seemed to have anything we wanted for a good deal like everyone seems to hype... untill we got an $800 GPS for <$200 |
| 21:32.43 | cogwheel | kd3: wit |
| 21:32.46 | cogwheel | s/t/n/ |
| 21:34.11 | Lunessa | cogwheel: FTW. |
| 21:34.33 | kd3 | bah. now I get to play musical HDDs to transfer data off my non-raid disk to the 750 so I can put that one in the raid and format my 750 |
| 21:34.39 | ralfWORK | kd3: that rocks man |
| 21:38.21 | art3mis | http://www.streeterseidell.com/whitefolksguide.jpg |
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| 21:40.02 | Thunder_Child | *snicker @ cdog* |
| 21:40.13 | ralfWORK | hrm |
| 21:40.24 | ralfWORK | anyone know if +armor enchants get bear form bonus? |
| 21:41.07 | Fisker- | denied |
| 21:41.53 | End | ralfWORK: iirc, they don't |
| 21:42.03 | ralfWORK | that's kinda what I'm thinking too |
| 21:42.16 | ralfWORK | but I don't really track filthy droods much |
| 21:42.41 | End | I vaguely remember putting an armor enchant on -way- back when I still played my druid, and I just got the normal value from adding it |
| 21:43.13 | ralfWORK | hrm |
| 21:43.15 | art3mis | wow |
| 21:43.23 | art3mis | sun is gonna buy mysql for 1 billion |
| 21:43.44 | ralfWORK | so like, what about Agility enchants... say 12agi to back. that's 24 ac, does that 24 get the bear multiplier? |
| 21:43.50 | ralfWORK | *scratches head* |
| 21:45.54 | ralfWORK | I'll have to get on my little druid tonight and mess around |
| 21:46.36 | End | I think those might get multiplied |
| 21:46.42 | Thunder_Child | you have a small druid? |
| 21:46.45 | ralfWORK | I do :( |
| 21:46.49 | ralfWORK | he's a gnome druid |
| 21:47.13 | End | hmm, actually, I dunno |
| 21:47.20 | Lunessa | gnome druid! They have "Winnie the Pooh" form instead of Bear/Dire bear |
| 21:47.22 | End | maybe it was just the gear armor value itself |
| 21:47.26 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 21:47.44 | ralfWORK | End: wowwiki indicates "natural armor". which means what I dunno |
| 21:47.45 | End | What's cat form? tigger?? |
| 21:47.50 | Esamynn|Work | ralfWORK: Bear Form doesn't multiply armour from agil |
| 21:47.52 | Bela|work | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16902-feral_druid_megathread/ |
| 21:48.04 | Esamynn|Work | only the base armor of items |
| 21:48.07 | Bela|work | might be some details there, I am looking for specifics on agility conversions though |
| 21:48.09 | End | it's the mmmmeggathread! |
| 21:48.22 | ralfWORK | it also says "only white armor" which means that certain items that have Green armor stats wouldn't get multiplied |
| 21:48.31 | Esamynn|Work | yes they well |
| 21:48.33 | Esamynn|Work | will* |
| 21:48.44 | art3mis | lunessa: it comes without an abilities, it does sit down randomly in combat to ponder and al food becomes huney ;P |
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| 21:48.53 | Esamynn|Work | those used to be white, they just made them green to indicate that part of the item's "value" went towards armor |
| 21:49.00 | Bela|work | if it is excluding anything in green armor values, it would be the bonus armor portion, not the base armor |
| 21:49.00 | ralfWORK | ahhh ok |
| 21:49.00 | Lunessa | hunny! |
| 21:49.03 | ralfWORK | that makes sense |
| 21:49.09 | Esamynn|Work | any Equip: bonuses that give armor aren't included though |
| 21:49.12 | Thunder_Child | End, ralfWORK, "The armor bonus is only applied to natural armor (received from white effects), and not item modifiers (enchantments, armor kits, etc)." |
| 21:49.32 | cladhaire | yes, but armor is now green |
| 21:49.33 | Lunessa | And all your chat output becomes "think, think think!" |
| 21:49.36 | cladhaire | its still the same old armor tho |
| 21:49.41 | ralfWORK | Thunder_Child: mmkay... Agility isn't mentioned there and armor can be Green now |
| 21:49.47 | cladhaire | on those special items :P |
| 21:49.49 | ralfWORK | k |
| 21:49.54 | art3mis | heh thats what i was typing |
| 21:50.04 | Bela|work | it PROBABLY applies to green armor points |
| 21:50.07 | Thunder_Child | but the "green" armor is still in the armor slot |
| 21:50.10 | Thunder_Child | not seperate |
| 21:50.17 | cladhaire | Bela|work: it applies to green |
| 21:50.17 | art3mis | all your non combat pets become a little pig in a striped shirt that runs around and stutters |
| 21:50.20 | ralfWORK | so then in otherwords |
| 21:50.22 | Esamynn|Work | would all you non-druids shut it and let the druids who KNOW speak! :P |
| 21:50.23 | cladhaire | the coloring has nothing to do with the item, other than the item budget |
| 21:50.25 | cladhaire | plain and simple |
| 21:50.28 | Esamynn|Work | jeez |
| 21:50.34 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:50.36 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 21:50.36 | purl | shoots Thunder_Child in his sleep |
| 21:50.41 | Josh_Borke | ~lart cladhaire |
| 21:50.41 | purl | throws cladhaire's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 21:50.42 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Bela|work |
| 21:50.42 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on Bela|work's head |
| 21:50.48 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Esamynn|Work |
| 21:50.48 | purl | cuts off Esamynn|Work's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 21:50.49 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Josh_Borke |
| 21:50.49 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Josh_Borke |
| 21:50.52 | ralfWORK | "natural armor" would mean "the damn armor number on the item you got when it dropped and you picked it up" |
| 21:50.58 | Esamynn|Work | exactly |
| 21:51.03 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:51.04 | Bela|work | I didn't say I know |
| 21:51.05 | ralfWORK | no agi, no armor kit, no nuthin |
| 21:51.07 | Thunder_Child | ralfWORK, right, and green or not it's in the same place |
| 21:51.08 | Bela|work | I said probably |
| 21:51.10 | Bela|work | so you shut it |
| 21:51.13 | ralfWORK | Thunder_Child: ok, I gotcha |
| 21:51.13 | Esamynn|Work | :P |
| 21:51.25 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Bela|work |
| 21:51.25 | purl | strangles Bela|work with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 21:51.32 | art3mis | http://richarddawkins.net/article,2130,n,n |
| 21:51.57 | Esamynn|Work | oh god |
| 21:52.13 | art3mis | look mommy a nutball! |
| 21:52.36 | Bela|work | I helped with the link at least |
| 21:52.40 | Bela|work | so meh |
| 21:52.41 | ralfWORK | thanks for the info guys |
| 21:52.43 | |Jelly| | Mods geared for pvp aside from Proximo. GO! |
| 21:52.55 | Lunessa | ~seen Lopeppeppy |
| 21:52.58 | purl | lopeppeppy <n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.30> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3h 14m 59s ago, saying: 'When I want a cycle I'll buy a Harley?'. |
| 21:53.30 | Thunder_Child | no, no you will not buy a harley |
| 21:54.07 | cogwheel | god this building sucks |
| 21:54.13 | cogwheel | my gps is only receiving 2 signals |
| 21:55.06 | cladhaire | "I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And thats what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than trying to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family." |
| 21:55.07 | cladhaire | liek |
| 21:55.09 | cladhaire | srsly? |
| 21:55.32 | Josh_Borke | who |
| 21:55.36 | Josh_Borke | whoa rather, who said that? |
| 21:55.37 | |Jelly| | Wait. What? |
| 21:55.43 | Thunder_Child | huckbee |
| 21:55.54 | Thunder_Child | said that...did i spell that right? |
| 21:56.01 | Bela|work | does it matter? |
| 21:56.02 | Lunessa | Keep your motherfucking hands off my Constitution. |
| 21:56.03 | Bela|work | hehe |
| 21:56.07 | Lunessa | :D |
| 21:56.17 | |Jelly| | ~agree Lunessa |
| 21:56.18 | purl | ACTION forces Lunessa to agree with |jelly|. "Its no matter, |jelly| is always right Lunessa" |
| 21:56.25 | |Jelly| | well, you get the idea |
| 21:56.40 | Lunessa | I do. |
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| 21:57.40 | Lunessa | The amendment process exists for a reason. Use it if you want changes to the core tenants of US society. |
| 21:58.00 | ralfWORK | uhm |
| 21:58.04 | ralfWORK | I could be wrong |
| 21:58.19 | Thunder_Child | we can all be wrong |
| 21:58.20 | Lunessa | But don't f'ing demand we change the core document. |
| 21:58.24 | ralfWORK | but I thought only states could amend the constitution |
| 21:58.40 | cogwheel | ralfWORK: states have to ratify amendments |
| 21:58.57 | cogwheel | they don't have to propose them though |
| 21:59.04 | ralfWORK | ahh ok |
| 21:59.13 | Josh_Borke | congress proposes, no? |
| 21:59.15 | ralfWORK | the fact that they let people like me vote is scary :P |
| 21:59.16 | cogwheel | though they can |
| 21:59.32 | cogwheel | states or congress iirc |
| 21:59.45 | cogwheel | (both) |
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| 22:01.34 | Fisker- | if anyone asks it was Josh_Borke |
| 22:02.04 | Fisker- | btw |
| 22:02.06 | Fisker- | i'm wondering |
| 22:02.12 | Fisker- | where's all the CP in "User CP" |
| 22:02.25 | ralfWORK | CP? |
| 22:02.27 | ralfWORK | lolwut? |
| 22:02.54 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Atriace (n=omnizeta@243.9.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 22:02.55 | Fisker- | better not give rushter any ideas |
| 22:03.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Atriace (n=omnizeta@243.9.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 22:03.12 | Fisker- | "I now have irrefutable proof of WoWI spreading child pornography" |
| 22:03.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik|Ecole (n=shirik@155.31.175.113) |
| 22:03.21 | Fisker- | "see it says User CP" |
| 22:03.22 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Shirik|Ecole] by ChanServ |
| 22:03.29 | Esamynn|Work | ............ |
| 22:03.32 | Esamynn|Work | ~gag Fisker- |
| 22:03.33 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Fisker- and, as an additional precaution, sews Fisker-'s mouth shut permanently... |
| 22:03.36 | ralfWORK | I'm sorry, I have no idea what CP is |
| 22:03.40 | Esamynn|Work | ~whalenuke Fisker- |
| 22:03.40 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker- with his mind powers. |
| 22:03.43 | Shirik|Ecole | just because |
| 22:03.45 | cladhaire | control panel |
| 22:03.48 | Fisker- | rhrmp rhrmpr hrhrmp hrhmp |
| 22:03.48 | ralfWORK | oh |
| 22:03.55 | Fisker- | HRPREMPMRHRHOPM |
| 22:04.01 | Fisker- | NOM NOM NOM |
| 22:04.04 | Fisker- | don't gag me please :( |
| 22:04.07 | ralfWORK | nom nom nom :D |
| 22:04.26 | Esamynn|Work | Fisker-: give us one good reason why we shouldn't? |
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| 22:04.45 | ralfWORK | how about I left a jar of pasta sauce open last night |
| 22:04.51 | Fisker- | :o? |
| 22:04.52 | ralfWORK | and our white cat was nom nom noming it |
| 22:04.58 | ralfWORK | head was all the way in the jar |
| 22:05.23 | Fisker- | i once woke up to nom nom crackle pop nom nom |
| 22:05.28 | Fisker- | and our cat was eating a mouse |
| 22:05.33 | ralfWORK | oh snap |
| 22:05.35 | ralfWORK | haahaha |
| 22:05.35 | Fisker- | with a disturbing cracking noise |
| 22:05.43 | ralfWORK | yea that's not what I'd like to wake up to |
| 22:05.52 | ralfWORK | but uhm |
| 22:05.54 | Fisker- | and it catched 3 mice that night, all with that same crunchy noise :( |
| 22:06.05 | Fisker- | woke up all 3 times |
| 22:06.13 | ralfWORK | oh jesus |
| 22:06.28 | ralfWORK | we drained tuna in teh sink once |
| 22:07.14 | ralfWORK | came home later and the same cat had her head all the way in the garbage disposal |
| 22:07.43 | ralfWORK | I almost reached for the switch... |
| 22:07.53 | ralfWORK | but that might be a mean way to teach her a lesson :P |
| 22:08.03 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 22:08.11 | ralfWORK | she's really hard headed |
| 22:13.38 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: you gender confused man, you |
| 22:13.46 | |Jelly| | wait. what? |
| 22:13.52 | cogwheel | isaymoo |
| 22:14.00 | |Jelly| | Did I call myself a she? |
| 22:14.11 | cogwheel | you'll see soon enough |
| 22:14.17 | |Jelly| | ....great |
| 22:14.21 | cogwheel | (assuming you're still trolling) |
| 22:14.37 | |Jelly| | I haven't been ... but I am now. lol |
| 22:14.45 | sysrage | when your cat catched 3 mice in your house in 1 night it might be time to call the exterminator |
| 22:15.31 | Fisker- | sysrage no u |
| 22:17.26 | sysrage | did i really just type 'catched' ? |
| 22:17.51 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 22:18.26 | Fisker- | i live in the country btw :o |
| 22:18.41 | Fisker- | lot of mice/rats there :O |
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| 22:23.28 | cogwheel | clad|sleep: how to think... has pi wrong |
| 22:23.36 | cogwheel | 3.1415926535897931 |
| 22:24.05 | cogwheel | sohuld be ...932 not ...931 ;) |
| 22:24.22 | Thunder_Child | i think fisker has some serious issues |
| 22:24.33 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 22:24.46 | Thunder_Child | including putting a - at the end of his handle |
| 22:24.51 | mrscogwheel | yeah |
| 22:24.54 | mrscogwheel | Fisker was taking |
| 22:25.01 | mrscogwheel | and you QQ'ed about all caps nicks |
| 22:25.01 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 22:25.08 | mrscogwheel | taking = taken duh |
| 22:25.27 | Thunder_Child | freenode ignores cases |
| 22:25.39 | Fisker- | i know |
| 22:25.50 | Lunessa | Wow. Cogwheel and the Mrs! |
| 22:25.52 | Fisker- | was some users QQ'ing |
| 22:25.53 | TecnoBrat | "when your cat catched 3 mice in your house in 1 night you call the cat the exterminator" |
| 22:25.56 | TecnoBrat | fixed |
| 22:26.12 | Lunessa | It's like, two scoops of ice cream instead of one! |
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| 22:27.12 | Thunder_Child | thats a good question, cogwheel, why doesnt your wife get on here, she would prolly get a kick out of it |
| 22:27.43 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: she gets enough of me as is... |
| 22:27.45 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:27.46 | alestane | Anyone familiar with how the Cartographer database determines its indices? Are they concatenations or something? |
| 22:28.43 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, so tell her to /ignore cogwheel |
| 22:29.11 | sdouble | cogwheel, does your wife play wow? |
| 22:29.35 | cogwheel | sdouble: SURE DOES |
| 22:29.37 | cogwheel | sry caps |
| 22:29.39 | sdouble | DAMN IT |
| 22:29.55 | sdouble | How am I the only one that does not have a significant other that doesn't play? |
| 22:30.02 | sdouble | she just complains |
| 22:30.12 | Thunder_Child | you fail at picking significant others? |
| 22:30.12 | kamdis | poor choice of spouse? |
| 22:30.17 | cogwheel | she's arguably more obsessed with it than i am (considering I've hardly PLAYED the game itself) |
| 22:30.18 | Thunder_Child | hah, i win |
| 22:30.45 | Thunder_Child | pout all you want, i still win |
| 22:30.49 | alestane | cogwheel: In fact I notice you somehow became level 1 again. |
| 22:30.52 | Lunessa | hey, I don't even have an s/o. |
| 22:31.19 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: ping |
| 22:31.19 | Lunessa | haha |
| 22:31.22 | sdouble | yeah, talking about his "rawr" and his dinosaur. My level 14 warrior can take his level 1 dinosaur |
| 22:31.37 | Fisker- | rawr? |
| 22:31.46 | Lunessa | The "gender confused" guy concedes defeat! |
| 22:32.11 | cogwheel | alestane: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881820910&sid=1&pageNo=2#25 |
| 22:32.54 | sdouble | "gender confused" eh? |
| 22:33.23 | alestane | So the 70 gnome you had before wasn't active? Cause I thought that was the server and guild you used to post under. |
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| 22:34.12 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909379992&sid=1&pageNo=1 - scroll down. |
| 22:34.14 | Fisker- | cogwheel wanna be a gear in my transmission? |
| 22:34.34 | Shirik|Ecole | not recommended |
| 22:34.56 | Shirik|Ecole | cogwheel lays waste to sprockets |
| 22:35.00 | Fisker- | damn |
| 22:35.03 | Shirik|Ecole | the entirety of the rest of your transmission will be destroyed |
| 22:39.08 | kamdis | The "gender confused" guy is really nice |
| 22:39.15 | Thunder_Child | you know since blizz has issues with only having blizzcon when they have somthing big, maybe we should start a wowcon or somesuch |
| 22:39.18 | kamdis | he's trying to get up to date on the macro system |
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| 22:42.34 | |Jelly| | Wait. What? |
| 22:46.26 | Lunessa | He's nice, but took a cheap shot because some guys play female toons? Cheap shot !=nice |
| 22:47.03 | kamdis | alright, he's well-intentioned but lacking in social skills? |
| 22:47.10 | Lunessa | He's polite. I'll give him that. |
| 22:47.15 | kamdis | i think he was just trying to be funny |
| 22:47.36 | kamdis | but maybe not |
| 22:47.37 | Lunessa | yes, but he failed. |
| 22:48.04 | |Jelly| | *shrug* |
| 22:48.47 | Lunessa | So cog and I both just pointed out that his assumption was stupid and insulting, and we did it with dry wit and sarcasm. |
| 22:49.21 | Lunessa | I really want to start a guild called that now... <Dry Wit & Sarcasm > |
| 22:49.32 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 22:49.55 | sdouble | I play females when I want a certain class but don't like the males. ie: gnomes, blood elves, trolls |
| 22:50.09 | sdouble | sorry, certain race, not class |
| 22:50.43 | Tem | I play females when their animations look better |
| 22:50.45 | Tem | ie undead |
| 22:51.14 | |pez| | ah, great, I feel horrible right now, cause I didn't call my dad and told him I loved him on monday... |
| 22:51.15 | End | I create female characters as a joke and then make them my main |
| 22:51.46 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i would be in there in a heartbeat |
| 22:51.50 | |Jelly| | Well, truth be told, that's how Jelly started. :| |
| 22:51.58 | End | a joke? |
| 22:52.26 | |Jelly| | I had no intention of playing Peanutbudder and Jelly but I kind of started to like it and dropped the other account to play Jelly full time. |
| 22:52.43 | Lunessa | *chuckle* I could see it now, "How the Prince. How droll. Perhaps he should off his father to become King finally." |
| 22:52.52 | kamdis | Overall, it's just naive to assume anyone in WoW is a particular gender irl |
| 22:53.03 | bleeter | s/WoW/on the intarwebz/ |
| 22:53.11 | kamdis | that too |
| 22:53.25 | |Jelly| | Or to think that because someone plays a certain gender that it has anything to do with rl. :-\ |
| 22:53.35 | bleeter | 'cept it should've been s/in WoW/on the intarwebz/ |
| 22:53.45 | kamdis | Dude, this person... :( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3913740038&sid=1 |
| 22:53.55 | End | I've known a few chicks who played male characters |
| 22:54.07 | Lunessa | Or to assume that anyone is the gender they present. ( not to get too PC, but I /do/ work on a college campus and have to deal with this daily. ) |
| 22:54.17 | bleeter | indeed... their logic is flaed. I play a female mage. therefore in real life I'm female... what gets me is that they never get to thinking that I'm also a mage IRL |
| 22:54.28 | End | I'm a mage in real life |
| 22:54.32 | |Jelly| | Kamdis: I actually had a rant written out that I didn't think you'd approve of so I didn't post it. rofl |
| 22:54.34 | End | but I dont play a mage in WoW |
| 22:54.36 | End | ;p |
| 22:54.52 | |Jelly| | I'm a fire mage iRL! *grabs the gasoline* |
| 22:54.53 | bleeter | Ima troll IRL ;) |
| 22:54.53 | Lunessa | I'm not a night elf mohawk - but I play one on TV |
| 22:55.00 | End | lol |
| 22:55.59 | |pez| | I forgot the 7th anniversary of my mothers death... where the hell is my brain? >__> |
| 22:56.15 | Thunder_Child | wow, random channel killer |
| 22:56.17 | kamdis | |Jelly|, today I approve. |
| 22:56.30 | |pez| | Thunder_Child: I do that sometimes! |
| 22:56.32 | |pez| | ignore me. |
| 22:57.37 | bleeter | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x27/bleeter/best_wishes.jpg |
| 22:57.53 | kamdis | Lunessa, you forgot a comma in your Devour Magic macro |
| 22:58.04 | Lunessa | link? |
| 22:58.16 | Lunessa | Especially if it's old. |
| 22:58.17 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/345720/panasonics-evoltas-earn-guinness-record-for-battery-life |
| 22:59.00 | kamdis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778508303&sid=1 |
| 22:59.16 | kamdis | lol i didn't check the date |
| 22:59.19 | kamdis | it's from september |
| 22:59.33 | kamdis | someone necro-posted in the thread. forget it. |
| 22:59.38 | End | lol |
| 23:00.51 | |pez| | atleast you admit to it! |
| 23:01.11 | Fisker- | btw bleeter |
| 23:01.13 | Fisker- | shame on you |
| 23:01.32 | Fisker- | They've been very open about the issue !1 |
| 23:01.53 | Fisker- | like |
| 23:01.53 | Fisker- | To wolivere54. UICentral is clean, no virsuses or trojans. Checked with latest download on the site, NoD32 and Kaspersky. All files 100% perfect. Also on new install from the file hosted here no such file trojan inserted into Windows directory. I suggest you look elsewhere for the issue :( |
| 23:01.57 | Fisker- | very open |
| 23:02.26 | Fisker- | bai |
| 23:03.33 | Shirik|Ecole | wowinterface down for anyone else? |
| 23:04.28 | End | it's fine to me |
| 23:05.45 | alestane | >>> (do return {"a", "b"} end)[1] |
| 23:05.57 | alestane | That answers that. |
| 23:07.43 | Shirik|Ecole | alestane: stdin:1: unexpected symbol near 'do' |
| 23:07.57 | alestane | That's what the bot told me. |
| 23:08.08 | Shirik|Ecole | oh did it, I forgot it doesn't error to the channel anymore :p |
| 23:08.10 | Cide | yep, it just does it with /notice |
| 23:08.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I dunno maybe only syntax errors should do that |
| 23:08.21 | Cide | because it's too spammy because we suck at fixing errors |
| 23:08.24 | alestane | Wanted to see if an inline block could be an expression or just a statement. |
| 23:08.33 | alestane | Looks like just a statement. |
| 23:08.34 | Cide | Shirik|Ecole: isn't that a syntax error? :P |
| 23:08.37 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 23:08.40 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah -_- |
| 23:08.59 | Cide | anyway, it'd be useful to print to chat for stuff like that |
| 23:09.12 | Cide | but it sucks for lines approaching 255 chars |
| 23:09.17 | bleeter | "The DNS issue is due to the hosts having to remove a set of IPs from their servers," << wtf does that mean and how does it relate to cache pollution? |
| 23:09.35 | bleeter | d/wtf does that mean and/ |
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| 23:17.35 | kamdis | okay creepy |
| 23:17.45 | |Jelly| | ? |
| 23:17.47 | Tem | boo |
| 23:17.47 | kamdis | someone on my realm forum posted something weird |
| 23:17.53 | kamdis | i don't know who it is either |
| 23:18.01 | kamdis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4032293759&postId=39996045746&sid=1#1 |
| 23:18.03 | Lunessa | I haz block IP addresses mapped to cheezeburgers not computers. I push new DNS records. Oh noes, mai bad. |
| 23:18.55 | Lunessa | I pushes new DNS entries. Dey takes time to propagate. Oh noes. |
| 23:19.19 | Lunessa | Is that what you're on about Bleeter? |
| 23:27.26 | bleeter | Lunessa: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=3632.msg33196#msg33196 |
| 23:27.32 | sag_ich_nicht | so Shirik does your phone work yet? |
| 23:29.43 | Lunessa | bleeter As usual, Rushter is talking out his arse. |
| 23:30.24 | bleeter | yeah |
| 23:30.57 | bleeter | 'oh hai, I was specifically targetted by chinese hackers, i sent all the info off to AV folks then sat on my arse waiting until I got attacked again then I denied it all' |
| 23:31.12 | bleeter | bah, I need moar coffee |
| 23:32.08 | bleeter | someone should put a gentle word in Blizz's ear, see if they can get Launcher to detect this thing in 2.3.3 |
| 23:32.15 | bleeter | 'coz clearly someone's falling down on the job here |
| 23:34.46 | End | I'm curious how he knows it's chinese hackers, specifically |
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| 23:36.04 | bleeter | End: part of the trojan involves a fake domain name, incgamersi.com, which is a .cn registrant |
| 23:36.18 | Lunessa | The domain from which the secondary evil logging file comes is chinese |
| 23:36.18 | bleeter | End: so, erm, yeah, it's likely to be .cn hackers, but... still.. prolly not |
| 23:36.36 | Lunessa | Er, the rgistrant has a chinese name |
| 23:36.43 | bleeter | could just be certain .cn hosts are hosed, and (say) the russian mafia are using that |
| 23:37.59 | End | bleeter: I'm well aware |
| 23:38.13 | End | but ah,, mmm |
| 23:38.29 | End | actually, my original thought was that he said "chinese gold sellers" or something to that effect |
| 23:38.39 | End | -that's- what confused me |
| 23:39.18 | End | actually, he said "gold sellers", he didn't even mention chinese |
| 23:40.03 | bleeter | I don't recall much of how the thing actually worked, but from memory, shouldn't it have been easy for the app to self-detect (at least) the original infection? |
| 23:40.03 | cogwheel | alestane: level 70 cogwheel has been on garona for months now. Since Blizz thanked me as Cogwheel of Shadowsong on their macro guide (which they released shortly after my move) I decided to make my MVP posting alt back there |
| 23:40.07 | bleeter | wth??!! |
| 23:40.13 | End | "he file was not infected through the upload process (all files are scanned), it was ammended on the server by what is obviously a gold selling concern." |
| 23:40.15 | bleeter | mt |
| 23:41.04 | End | I dunno |
| 23:41.10 | End | I'm just gonna stop worrying about it |
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| 23:41.45 | cogwheel | alestane: and I still have some active alts in that guild so they didn't mind having "me" back ;) |
| 23:42.04 | alestane | cogwheel: I guess I missed that. I'm just so used to seeing "Temple of Light, Shadowsong" that I stopped looking at it I guess. |
| 23:43.01 | Lunessa | I don't bother to check the poster until I decide to respond or not. |
| 23:43.59 | bleeter | anyone know much about healing stats in BG's, specifically AV? Spent most of the game in heal mode, yet according to the stats I did only about 5k of heals total |
| 23:44.48 | End | that doesn't seem like very much |
| 23:44.54 | End | and it probably doesn't |
| 23:45.13 | End | it certaintly doesn't count the large tail of lifebloom |
| 23:45.35 | End | (apparently it -really- is the player healing themselfO) |
| 23:46.30 | |pez| | Do any of you use backuping software? :p |
| 23:47.05 | bleeter | yes... dd ftw! |
| 23:47.09 | Lunessa | Kamdis, I saw your "grid" screenie - do you really like decursive over say Clique ? |
| 23:47.24 | kamdis | I actually use both. |
| 23:48.04 | kamdis | Mostly for the Decursive "Ding" sound when someone's afflicted. |
| 23:48.20 | kamdis | and habit |
| 23:48.21 | |pez| | I hate having to backup everything I want / need right before a system reinstall, so I want a program that does automagic backuping for me, specified by a folder I specify. |
| 23:49.27 | Lunessa | *nod* I mostly just target, then use keybind now. |
| 23:49.39 | kamdis | Lunessa, I have a feeling I might move away from it if one of my 70 Priests ever gets to do 25mans, but I don't know. |
| 23:50.21 | Lunessa | Of course, in healbot mode, I just lol spam the hales and curse lawl |
| 23:50.46 | Lunessa | misspellings added for humor. |
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| 23:54.04 | kamdis | hehe, indeed |
| 23:54.44 | Lunessa | I lead one of my guild's Kara teams as my priest, since we're short healers, despit my Shaman being my main. |
| 23:56.42 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
