IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20080114

`00:00.31`	`Iriel`	`I did report the wrong-spell-on-STOP bug, so that may be fixed in 2.3.2, I haven't tested it`
`00:00.39`	`Legorol`	`i will venture a wild guess here but it might be tricky to label events as server or client side originating`
`00:00.39`	`malreth`	`he's gonna lose his nick if he don't log in to freenode. :p`
`00:00.53`	`Cide`	`/nick slouken`
`00:01.02`	`Iriel`	`http://wow.pastey.net/80662`
`00:01.08`	`Legorol`	`especially if by the time the event dispatch code is triggered, it's been long forgotten what caused it in the first place`
`00:01.10`	`End`	`malreth: I didn't login for a year at one point, and didn't lose mine`
`00:01.12`	`Iriel`	`That's the STOP bug`
`00:01.22`	`kd3`	`slouken's been on. just not in here`
`00:01.27`	`End`	`and I think slouken visits #sdl or #libsdl or whatever they call the sdl channel quite a bit`
`00:01.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`End, thats because no one wanted it`
`00:01.34`	`Legorol`	`i vaguely remember slouken mentioning that the same spellcast event might be triggered from many different places in C-land`
`00:01.45`	`Iriel`	`I'm fairly sure the client knows.`
`00:01.56`	`Iriel`	`And if it doesn't there are solutions I can suggest to at least let me find out`
`00:01.56`	`End`	`Thunder_Child: their policy is to purge after a certain period of time...I don't think they do it`
`00:02.04`	`End`	`or maybe it was`
`00:02.06`	`Legorol`	`Iriel: it might know, but it might not track that info to the point of the event being dispatched`
`00:02.08`	`End`	`"we can purge"`
`00:02.15`	`End`	`which I guess would explain why I didn't lose it :P`
`00:02.18`	`Iriel`	`currently I do some really ugly tricks with hooks to get a vague idea`
`00:02.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`i was under the impression it's they will release it, not just kill it`
`00:02.40`	`Legorol`	`if you have something like: proccess server message->proccess client side behaviour->trigger an event`
`00:02.44`	`Legorol`	`it might get lost along the way`
`00:03.11`	`Iriel`	`All I need to know is did the event fire in the middle of processing a cast spell or action from the UI or not`
`00:03.25`	`Iriel`	`or did it happen in the 'server event delivery' phase`
`00:03.39`	`Iriel`	`I /think/ that would remove a massive amount of doubt`
`00:03.52`	`Iriel`	`I may just change what aftercast actually tries to do`
`00:04.13`	`Iriel`	`so that it doesn't care what spells you tried to cast, but lets you react to various scenarios that occur when spells do (or dont) go off`
`00:04.28`	`Iriel`	`that may well simplify things enough`
`00:29.49`	`Duman`	`hmm, I need an addon like bookmark that works w/ things ilke Skillet`
`00:30.02`	`Duman`	`Unless I'm retared and skillet already does this`
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`00:50.30`	`Shirik`	`hi`
`01:01.22`	`Shirik`	`wtf was that!`
`01:01.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`you?`
`01:01.34`	`Shirik`	`Loud bang downstairs and my monitor display tore for a second`
`01:01.34`	`Fin`	`what`
`01:01.47`	`Fin`	`how would we know`
`01:01.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`emp?`
`01:01.53`	`kd3`	`something got zapped`
`01:01.55`	`Shirik`	`Telekenesis?`
`01:02.05`	`Fin`	`someone make a fart joke`
`01:02.19`	`kd3`	`perhaps finding the source of that loud bang may be a good idea?`
`01:02.30`	`Shirik`	`Eh, but it's not my apartment`
`01:02.33`	`Shirik`	`I live upstairs`
`01:02.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`blown microwave would work i bet`
`01:02.48`	`kd3`	`ah, oh well`
`01:02.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`em + bang`
`01:02.54`	`Shirik`	`What am I supposed to know, knock on the poor lady's door and be like "wtf are you doing down here? Let me remove your circuit breakers for your own safety."`
`01:03.12`	`Fin`	`one must always report interesting potential (and / or actual) accidents, disasters, major malfunctions, and related situations, on IRC, before investigation`
`01:03.16`	`Fin`	`thems the rules`
`01:03.17`	`kd3`	`step up to the next grade of UPS?`
`01:03.27`	`Shirik`	`my UPS's battery is dead :P`
`01:03.29`	`art3mis`	`http://www.intternetti.net/~jiri/motivation/rpg/lfg.jpg`
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`01:12.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`quest items should not be on an 8% drop rate when there are only 5-10 things that drop it`
`01:13.28`	`khangg`	`agreed`
`01:13.36`	`Shirik`	`especially when it's something like`
`01:13.42`	`Shirik`	`wolf tails`
`01:13.49`	`Shirik`	`Like seriously why do these wolves not have tails`
`01:14.36`	`\|pez\|`	`I totally love the zevhra hoves quest in the barrens`
`01:14.39`	`\|pez\|`	`I need four of the things`
`01:14.57`	`\|pez\|`	`I need to kill like a gazillion zevhras for each damn hoof.`
`01:16.07`	`Tem`	`Thunder_Child, they probably aren't`
`01:16.20`	`Tem`	`but they only drop for pwople who have the quest`
`01:16.24`	`Tem`	`so the droprate appears lower than it is`
`01:16.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`i understand, but even 15 or 20 is very low`
`01:16.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have killed 50`
`01:16.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`nada`
`01:16.58`	`khangg`	`what quest you doing?`
`01:17.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`[48] STOLEN: Smithing Tuyere and Lookout's Spyglass`
`01:17.17`	`khangg`	`oo`
`01:17.32`	`khangg`	`i remember that quest`
`01:17.37`	`khangg`	`i guess i got lucky`
`01:17.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`so do i, and i remember not doing it`
`01:17.58`	`\|pez\|`	`that's in Searing Gorge?`
`01:18.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya`
`01:18.19`	`\|pez\|`	`I had problems with the spyglass`
`01:18.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`there are lots of lookouts`
`01:18.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`and they are no longer eliets`
`01:18.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`elites*`
`01:18.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`w/e`
`01:19.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`it was my first kill :)`
`01:23.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`and another thing. I am stading still casting a spell, the target is standing still, at the end of the cast " The target is not in los"`
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`01:30.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`anyone having lag problems in wow?`
`01:30.42`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion thelama`
`01:30.45`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Thelama, Level 70 Troll Shaman (0/5/56). 6759 HP; 9002 Mana; 200 mana regen; 67 mp5; 7329 Armour; 3.95% melee crit; 17 spell crit; 9 spell hit; 623 +spell dmg; 1265 +heal; 4.28% dodge; 4.96% block;[[ TBR: 949 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yty93o ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vdd9v ][ Updated: Sun Jan 13 20:37:27 2008 EST ]]`
`01:33.32`	`Hobinheim`	`hmm i'm stuck on "success"`
`01:33.35`	`Hobinheim`	`oh wait queue full`
`01:36.31`	`Shirik`	`I'm having no issues`
`01:37.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`huh, i am having such a weird lag issue, and as far as i can tell it's not on my side`
`01:37.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`within the cast of a pyo it can lag and return to normal`
`01:39.16`	`Hobinheim`	`hey what do you guys normally use as an ide?`
`01:39.21`	`Hobinheim`	`is eclipse any good?`
`01:40.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's mostly personal preference`
`01:41.05`	`Hobinheim`	`well i'm working off of nothing, what you got?`
`01:41.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`i use notepad++ but only for edting, not constructing`
`01:41.47`	`Hobinheim`	`what would constructing be?`
`01:41.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`i think i used scite`
`01:42.49`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm not sure i understand. what's the difference between constructing an editing?`
`01:43.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`making one and simple eding of someone elses`
`01:43.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`editing*`
`01:44.19`	`Hobinheim`	`huh ok`
`01:47.16`	`kd3`	`oh wow. this is new`
`01:47.20`	`kd3`	`my realm's got a queue`
`01:47.31`	`Hobinheim`	`a handful do`
`01:47.34`	`Hobinheim`	`maybe some resources are don`
`01:47.35`	`Hobinheim`	`*down`
`01:48.04`	`kd3`	`I don't think medivh's had a queue in 6 months... last time I remember seeing one was after 2.1 was released`
`01:50.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`queue's were a great excuse for not coming to raids`
`01:52.37`	`Hobinheim`	`foods that start with the letter queue`
`01:53.09`	`Shirik`	`Hobinheim: While a lot of people like Eclipse, I can't stand it`
`01:53.14`	`Shirik`	`for Lua, I use SciTE`
`01:53.22`	`Shirik`	`Unfortunately QNX forces me to use Eclipse`
`02:02.00`	`End`	`kd3: mine has a queue too`
`02:02.07`	`End`	`although, it has for the last couple of weeks`
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`02:05.38`	`\|Jelly\|`	`PEPPY! MY PEPPY!`
`02:06.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`How ya doin', darlin?`
`02:06.33`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I've been better. :P`
`02:06.43`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Gotta keep ... smiling though ... right?`
`02:06.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Chin up, pip pip.`
`02:08.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`oh ya, he listens to you...`
`02:08.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm cuter. helpless shrug`
`02:09.18`	`Shirik`	`"pip pip" ?`
`02:09.25`	`Shirik`	`You forgot the "cheerio"`
`02:09.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I just loves me a realm with a 400 queue.`
`02:09.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't like Cheerios, Shirik, they're what I eat when I'm sick. Wouldn't wish them on Jelly for the world.`
`02:09.50`	`kd3`	`ouch. worse than medivh. we're in the 150s atm`
`02:09.55`	`Shirik`	`frosted cheerios are awesome`
`02:10.16`	`Shirik`	`and yeah, what's with the queues lately?`
`02:10.35`	`kd3`	`the post-xmas crowd`
`02:10.49`	`kd3`	`and it is primetime on a sunday night`
`02:11.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`sunday?`
`02:11.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats a day off methinks`
`02:11.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah-but. sigh AD is an old server, so we have a high count.`
`02:11.45`	`kd3`	`2007-01-13 21:11:42`
`02:12.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thunder_Child, how is the football game going? That might have a lot to do with login times....`
`02:12.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dunno, i dont watch sports`
`02:12.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`what football?`
`02:12.53`	`kd3`	`american. it's the divisional playoffs`
`02:12.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I didn't get to see it either, must check scores retentively.`
`02:13.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`what, you think the game is over and all the football minded wow players are trying to get on at the same time?`
`02:14.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Could be.`
`02:14.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`an...interesting...mental image`
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`02:15.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Isn't it though. wicked grin`
`02:15.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`just trying to imagine people playing with big foam #1 fingers`
`02:15.59`	`Legorol`	`Lopeppeppy: i just tried to pronounce your name out loud and i failed :'(`
`02:16.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1215`
`02:16.09`	`Fin`	`there's a thread in my realm forums called "TYPE YOUR NAME WITH YOUR ELBOW"`
`02:16.15`	`Legorol`	`it's a regular tonguetwister`
`02:16.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`lo-peppy`
`02:16.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lo-pep-peppy`
`02:17.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`for some reason i keep reading it as lopenpeppy`
`02:18.20`	`Shirik`	`I just say lo-peppy`
`02:18.22`	`Shirik`	`it's easier`
`02:18.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lo-pan`
`02:18.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lo-p-peppy.`
`02:18.46`	`Shirik`	`Reminds me of that frog is star fox`
`02:18.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ribbit?`
`02:18.52`	`Shirik`	`s/is/in/`
`02:19.11`	`Shirik`	`Wait no, peppy was the rabbit I think`
`02:19.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, because the 2 sound so similar...`
`02:19.48`	`Shirik`	`Yeah, Peppy Hare`
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`02:22.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm Peppy for sure, and I won't talk about bunny-factor! :P`
`02:22.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`bushy tail?`
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`02:25.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Plead the fifth.`
`02:26.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`plead all you want, it wont help`
`02:27.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`shirik: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_lhCahHGsxY nws`
`02:27.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bah.`
`02:27.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Pixels cannot stop The Cute!`
`02:29.18`	`Legorol`	`omg, i am so behind times..`
`02:29.23`	`Legorol`	`Lopeppeppy, grats on your MVP status`
`02:29.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Why thank you, Legorol! I dragged Alestane and Cogwheel along with me for company. Or vice versa....`
`02:30.44`	`Legorol`	`i must admit i'm not very familiar with Alestane`
`02:30.46`	`Shirik`	`Mr_Rabies: rofl`
`02:30.49`	`Legorol`	`is she very active on the boards?`
`02:30.53`	`Legorol`	`don't think i met her in here`
`02:31.06`	`Shirik`	`there are some very strange people out there`
`02:31.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`xenon is awesome`
`02:31.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I do see quite a bit of Alestane on the forums, yes.`
`02:33.58`	`Shirik`	`Is Alestane a female?`
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`02:34.13`	`Shirik`	`I didn't know that >.>`
`02:34.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`giggity giggity giggity`
`02:34.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`alllriiight`
`02:34.34`	`JoshBorke`	`hi`
`02:34.45`	`Shirik`	`that must have been fun to join to`
`02:35.02`	`JoshBorke`	`it's always fun to join here`
`02:35.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`shirik, never be 100% sure unless proof has been provided`
`02:35.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`friend of mine convincingly played a female in a gundam-universe text based rpg`
`02:39.21`	`Legorol`	`as a social experiment, i have convincingly played before a female that is trying to hide that she is a female but makes occasional mistakes and therefore the astute finds out that it's a she`
`02:39.37`	`Legorol`	`it was interesting to see how long/whom does it take to find out that i'm a she`
`02:39.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm just a chick. shrug`
`02:41.04`	`Legorol`	`(for those of you now sufficiently confused, no, i'm not a she, but i pretended to be)`
`02:42.35`	`JoshBorke`	`you mean you haven't continued to be leg? ;-P`
`02:42.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Some people just have the weirdest hobbies.`
`02:45.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you just totally blew my mind Legorol`
`02:46.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you're a guy pretending to be a chick pretending to be a guy, but making mistakes in doing so on purpose`
`02:46.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i`
`02:46.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there are no words`
`02:46.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my brain hurts`
`02:47.19`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: The lack of females on the internet does very strange things to the male mind`
`02:47.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Should I be frightened?`
`02:47.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`very`
`02:47.45`	`Iriel`	`it's not that they're nto on the internet, they just aren't where YOU are`
`02:48.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm right here still....`
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`02:49.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thank the stars!`
`02:49.35`	`Fin`	`personally I just like to get my pronouns right!`
`02:49.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ilike turtles`
`02:50.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I love to get my turtles straight.`
`02:50.09`	`Shirik`	`I like turtle cheescake`
`02:50.17`	`Fin`	`I am the turtle fish`
`02:50.19`	`Fin`	`I do my own thing`
`02:50.25`	`Fin`	`I like to rock and roll to the Sultans of Ping`
`02:50.33`	`Fin`	`that's right`
`02:50.34`	`Fin`	`very nice`
`02:50.36`	`Fin`	`that's right`
`02:50.37`	`Fin`	`sugar and spice`
`02:50.40`	`art3mis`	`"wow turtles in wow sure can run fast"`
`02:50.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeow!`
`02:50.50`	`art3mis`	`my quote of the day from barrens chat`
`02:51.03`	`Shirik`	`I don't have any barrens chat =(`
`02:51.05`	`Shirik`	`It's depressing`
`02:51.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i imagine a horrified newbie fleeing from a pile of turtles in the oases in the barrens`
`02:51.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't have any barrens chat either, I live in Draenei lands with my babydin right now.`
`02:52.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`sometimes i like to go to the barrens and pretend`
`02:52.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`on my alliance characters`
`02:52.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm sure GMs have a field day with it`
`02:52.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You pretending to talk in Barrens' General? ROFL`
`02:52.57`	`Shirik`	`I need a good song :/ I rediscovered Garth Brooks but unfortunately there aren't many places I can get his songs`
`02:53.03`	`Shirik`	`slow song mood, any ideas?`
`02:53.29`	`Fin`	`actually yes`
`02:53.30`	`Iriel`	`Alison Krauss?`
`02:53.34`	`Shirik`	`who's that o.o`
`02:53.38`	`Fin`	`one sec, I'll get you a link`
`02:54.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`shirik: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zo52T7uKOJU`
`02:54.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Allison Krauss is awesome. Totally recommend.`
`02:54.25`	`art3mis`	`Shivaree is good as well`
`02:54.31`	`art3mis`	`particularly Goodnight Moon`
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`02:54.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=qn8tixOYiZ0`
`02:57.32`	`Shirik`	`she can sing :)`
`02:57.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh yes, she very can. happy Peppy`
`02:58.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i don't really go through musical moods based on tempo`
`02:58.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`most of mine are either genre or general mood of music`
`02:59.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I just... like most music, i can get lost in something like what I linked for Shirik.`
`02:59.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`rush and pink floyd are two artists i can just kinda space out and listen to`
`02:59.51`	`Shirik`	`Yeah I can get lost in music too. Especially music with meaning`
`02:59.57`	`Shirik`	`Unanswered Prayers, Where is the love`
`03:00.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I like this one too, shirik. http://youtube.com/watch?v=diI-jZKD9kI`
`03:00.03`	`Shirik`	`those are two radically different but very good songs`
`03:00.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's not about the meaning of lyrics at all to me`
`03:00.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's more about the style of the music itself`
`03:00.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lyrics to me are secondary to "sound"`
`03:00.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Whhops, wrong version.`
`03:00.28`	`Shirik`	`Normally I don't listen to lyrics, but a few songs make sense`
`03:00.29`	`Fin`	`nope, balls, it's gone`
`03:00.38`	`art3mis`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=LRqUONe_aAI <-- Shivaree`
`03:00.39`	`Fin`	`stupid ajax meant my history's not useful at all`
`03:00.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=dY5v9tt62IY Better.`
`03:00.50`	`Fin`	`so I can't tell what the track I was playing was`
`03:00.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`rush has awesome lyrics, but i really like the general sound of the songs above the lyrical content`
`03:01.05`	`Fin`	`Shirik: Portishead is good, though`
`03:01.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`especially red barchetta, that song has an awesome story behind it`
`03:01.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=O_Rxjs9ZdtE&feature=related`
`03:01.22`	`Iriel`	`That was the first CD I ever bought (Rush: Moving Pictures)`
`03:01.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's based on this short story`
`03:01.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.mgexperience.net/article/nice-drive.html`
`03:01.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Iriel: one of the best albums of all time`
`03:01.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have a gold cd remaster of it`
`03:01.43`	`Iriel`	`Indeed`
`03:01.51`	`Iriel`	`And one of the cleverest album covers`
`03:01.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I love Roll the Bones.`
`03:02.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the first cd i ever listened to was metallica - master of puppets`
`03:02.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`at about age 6`
`03:02.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i mean, i listened to songs, but never full albums before that`
`03:02.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`then after that, pink floyd - the wall`
`03:02.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`almost all the music i like was written before i was born`
`03:04.01`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Thelyna (n=burp@122-57-248-65.jetstream.xtra.co.nz)`
`03:04.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I stole a lot of my music taste from my brother, who's 7 years older. A lot of kansas and eagles and Jimmy Buffet and so forth.`
`03:04.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i like kansas and eagles`
`03:05.01`	`art3mis`	`i used to like the eagles`
`03:05.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i like a lot of classic rock in general`
`03:05.05`	`art3mis`	`then i stopped`
`03:05.14`	`art3mis`	`still a big CCR fan though`
`03:05.28`	`Shirik`	`CCR?`
`03:05.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hehe`
`03:05.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`CCR is awesome`
`03:05.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`creedence clearwater revival, you heathen`
`03:05.40`	`Shirik`	`Please tell me you're not talking about the video game company`
`03:05.43`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`03:05.47`	`art3mis`	`ive asked at least 1000 people in nyc on the subway if they liked or hated CCR and not a single person has EVER said they hate it`
`03:06.12`	`art3mis`	`and this is the full range from PR to west indies to harlems blacks to snobby white people`
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`03:06.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bad Moon Rising!`
`03:06.40`	`art3mis`	`creedence is te ONLY band that EVERYONE likes`
`03:06.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Meatloaf still rocks my boat hard, hard hard.`
`03:07.06`	`art3mis`	`dont rock the boat baby`
`03:07.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know some people that dont like CCR`
`03:07.20`	`art3mis`	`im on a stevie wonder kick these days too`
`03:07.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i don't know anyone who doesn't like ccr that know who they are`
`03:07.31`	`art3mis`	`Thunder_Child: they're lying or aliens`
`03:07.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`or lying aliens?`
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`03:07.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`sadly so many people i know only listen to "music" created in the last 5 years`
`03:07.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`heathens`
`03:07.50`	`art3mis`	`well thats a given`
`03:07.52`	`art3mis`	`all aliens lie`
`03:08.04`	`malreth`	`there has been no music created in the last 5 years`
`03:08.04`	`art3mis`	`but not all liars are aliens`
`03:08.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`There's some good music out there. I can live on just Chad Kroeger's voice.`
`03:08.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`i go by genre not date created`
`03:08.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`enya/era/enigma have me quite happy`
`03:10.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yup. And I can drown in any variation on the Pachabel Canon.`
`03:11.13`	`Cairenn`	`Lopeppeppy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM`
`03:11.23`	`art3mis`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=dVjnPadDWLc`
`03:11.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`i knew that was coming Cairenn`
`03:11.30`	`art3mis`	`thats a great styled slow song too ;P`
`03:11.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`as soon as she said that`
`03:11.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Are you going to hurt my head, Cairenn? sniff`
`03:11.44`	`Shirik`	`omg`
`03:11.48`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`03:11.50`	`Shirik`	`Yes, I played cello`
`03:11.56`	`Shirik`	`And omg when we played it for graduation`
`03:11.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lopeppeppy, it's really funny`
`03:12.10`	`Shirik`	`I'm not even kidding, the music was 4 bars long, with a repeat x36 on it`
`03:12.37`	`Shirik`	`But I love that instrument. So much in fact I'm having it shipped down to my apartment here.`
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`03:12.49`	`Fin`	`well, I think Portishead is good, anyway`
`03:13.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I had my first solo on that piece, I was soooo proud!`
`03:13.10`	`art3mis`	`yup Roads is opn my playlist`
`03:13.23`	`art3mis`	`hehe most of the Tank Girl soundtrack is`
`03:13.26`	`Shirik`	`But my high school's cello lineup was absolutely amazing`
`03:13.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`tank girl, hehehe`
`03:13.32`	`Shirik`	`As a result we got a lot of nice solos, etc.`
`03:13.33`	`kd3`	`damn it! 20997/21000`
`03:14.00`	`art3mis`	`birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it, let's do it...lets fall in love!`
`03:14.04`	`Shirik`	`Like that paul revere intro. That was so fun.`
`03:16.19`	`malreth`	`that rant video omg!`
`03:16.23`	`malreth`	`first time i seen it`
`03:16.28`	`malreth`	`and yeah! i agree with him`
`03:16.45`	`Cairenn`	`hehehe`
`03:16.46`	`malreth`	`back when i was "learning" guitar, i noticed that about the green day and bush songs`
`03:16.52`	`malreth`	`they were all the same`
`03:17.01`	`malreth`	`the exact same chords and progressions`
`03:17.12`	`Shirik`	`We got to play this too, so fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIblSjokHyQ`
`03:18.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`wow, iriel`
`03:18.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i totally didn't get the triple entendre from moving pictures`
`03:18.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`because i don't own a retail copy`
`03:18.55`	`Iriel`	`good isn't it?`
`03:19.18`	`kd3`	`huzzah, finally. exalted with sha'tar`
`03:19.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my favorite song in rock band so far is limelight, on every instrument :P`
`03:19.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`even though the cover singer is no geddy lee`
`03:19.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's so fun to sing`
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`03:19.59`	`malreth`	`Mr_Rabies: moving pictures?`
`03:20.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the rush album,malreth`
`03:20.26`	`malreth`	`ah... that's really interest-- ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz...`
`03:23.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dang`
`03:23.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i wish it wasn't so late`
`03:24.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd go and sing limelight, but no :(`
`03:27.13`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Wont setting your "cameraDistanceMax" to 50 go to 41?`
`03:27.26`	`malreth`	`NOT TO FIFTY!`
`03:27.54`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Seriously. I thought 41 was the max.`
`03:28.51`	`Shirik`	`50 is the max apparently`
`03:29.00`	`Shirik`	`>cameraDistanceMax 500`
`03:29.09`	`Shirik`	`Value out of range (0.000000 - 50.000000)`
`03:32.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Mine is some fraction-thing.`
`03:33.01`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`03:33.05`	`Shirik`	`cameraDistanceMax 0 is confusing`
`03:34.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Okay, mine is set at SET cameraDistanceMaxFactor "2"`
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`03:40.57`	`Fin`	`incidentally, oTweaks lets you fiddle with these settings easily`
`03:41.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Meh. I'm zoomed way the frell out, my gnome looks like a herbalism dot on my screen, it works well.`
`03:42.37`	`Fin`	`try playing with the pitchlimit :)`
`03:42.42`	`Fin`	`flying upside down is seriously weird`
`03:43.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I get sea sick very easy, think I'll give it a pass.`
`03:43.37`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`03:43.42`	`Shirik`	`that really DID make me sick`
`03:43.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`must...try....`
`03:43.59`	`Shirik`	`console pitchLimit 360`
`03:44.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`that one i know`
`03:44.22`	`Fin`	`what's cool is that other people can see you flying upside down :)`
`03:44.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's the zoom way the hell out`
`03:44.30`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`03:44.46`	`Fin`	`although it flips you around if you let go of right click`
`03:45.04`	`Fin`	`does anyone know if the function to set the pitch limit is still protected, btw?`
`03:45.17`	`Shirik`	`you could always just use SetCVar() ...`
`03:45.23`	`Fin`	`errr, sorry`
`03:45.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Zooming way out is great for a gnomish melee, so I don't see a whole bunch of arses and elbows in melee, and not be able to see anything else.`
`03:45.29`	`Fin`	`I mean, to set the pitch itself`
`03:45.39`	`Shirik`	`oh it's not a cvar actually, wierd`
`03:45.48`	`Fin`	`yeah, it's a set of cvars`
`03:45.57`	`Fin`	`I think it used to be a single cvar, but they changed it`
`03:48.10`	`Shirik`	`oh wow`
`03:48.13`	`Shirik`	`someone downed kael`
`03:48.19`	`Shirik`	`First for our server :/`
`03:48.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sweet!`
`03:48.58`	`Shirik`	`lol way too many people flying in shatt`
`03:50.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`SET cameraDistanceMaxFactor "5" is rather nice`
`03:51.02`	`Shirik`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f88670c94c4070dac0b3bbecb458ac82.jpg`
`03:51.06`	`Shirik`	`That is way too many people flying around`
`03:54.16`	`sysrage`	`wtb fix to sraidframes group buffs`
`03:55.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So I've heard, sysrage. Is it not updated on wowace yet?`
`03:59.08`	`Fin`	`btw, another thing I learned while fiddling with camera views - if you set a camera view using the default key bindings, you can switch between views quite easily (I have them set up at varying distances from my character so it's easy to change the view in zones with overhanging shit), and+`
`03:59.25`	`Fin`	`+the thing I learned was: if you double click the key binding, it flicks to the camera view, rather than smooth scrolls to it`
`03:59.30`	`Fin`	`it's sooo handy`
`03:59.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Snow. I hate snow.`
`04:00.54`	`Shirik`	`why =(`
`04:00.58`	`Shirik`	`I wish I had snow`
`04:01.00`	`Shirik`	`~weather kdab`
`04:14.47`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=4ca7d5ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-678a9dafde9e478a)`
`04:14.50`	`Fin`	`what does cameraDistanceMaxFactor do?`
`04:14.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Not sure of the letters for my airport, but we've got a severe weather alert, 5-6 inches of snow overnight.... I hate driving in stupid snow.`
`04:15.41`	`Guillotine`	`Shirik: grats on becoming WoWI staff :) My computer was stolen a couple days ago, but I wanted to log onto roommate's comp to say grats :P`
`04:15.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Fin, that's what's in my settings to make my camera zoom out. Or so I think. It's what I clicked, and zoomed hideously far.`
`04:15.52`	`Shirik`	`Thanks :)`
`04:15.56`	`malreth`	`Guillotine: stolen?`
`04:15.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well, congratulations Shirik!`
`04:16.08`	`Shirik`	`heh thanks again ><`
`04:16.09`	`Guillotine`	`indeed :(`
`04:16.19`	`Guillotine`	`somebody broke into my apartment and stoled it`
`04:16.28`	`Guillotine`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:16.37`	`malreth`	`where do you live?`
`04:16.43`	`Guillotine`	`LA`
`04:16.45`	`Shirik`	`People have been breaking into apartments down here too actually`
`04:16.56`	`Fin`	`Lopeppeppy: I don't quite understand, sorry - I know cameraDistanceMax changes the limit, but what does ...Factor do?`
`04:16.56`	`malreth`	`and what times of the day are you usually not at home?`
`04:17.00`	`Shirik`	`There's a notice posted today saying not to open doors to strangers, including door-to-door salesmen`
`04:17.09`	`Guillotine`	`it happened in mid-morning`
`04:17.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Fin... I honestly don't know anymore?`
`04:17.13`	`Shirik`	`because they're coming into houses by force, etc.`
`04:17.26`	`Fin`	`oh, OK :)`
`04:17.29`	`Fin`	`thanks anyway`
`04:17.32`	`Guillotine`	`painters were here and apparently left door open. Someone came in and took it :(`
`04:17.33`	`malreth`	`and what valuables do you have left that haven't been stolen yet?`
`04:17.42`	`Guillotine`	`laptop was only thing stolen for some reason`
`04:17.55`	`malreth`	`so... tv? stereo?`
`04:17.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's a macro I got very soon after I joined WoW, and I knew once, Fin, but I just don't anymore.`
`04:18.06`	`Shirik`	`Guillotine: They were probably concerned about time`
`04:18.09`	`Guillotine`	`none of it taken`
`04:18.11`	`Guillotine`	`probably`
`04:18.17`	`Guillotine`	`they didn't even take the power cord to my computer`
`04:18.20`	`Guillotine`	`that was plugged into it`
`04:18.22`	`Guillotine`	`(it was a laptop)`
`04:18.44`	`malreth`	`classic snatch and grab`
`04:18.57`	`Fin`	`someone said setting it to 5 was nice, I was wondering how :)`
`04:19.19`	`malreth`	`Fin: type /console cameraDistanceMaxFactor 5`
`04:19.33`	`malreth`	`then start zooming out on the cameray`
`04:19.38`	`malreth`	`s/y//`
`04:19.45`	`malreth`	`waaaaaaaay out`
`04:20.11`	`malreth`	`it's a multiplication factor (aaaaaaah!) applied to the camera max distance`
`04:20.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`See? malreth comes through for me, whee`
`04:20.37`	`Fin`	`oh my`
`04:20.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Good "oh my", or bad?`
`04:20.56`	`Fin`	`great!`
`04:21.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yay for Peppy and malreth. Night guys!`
`04:21.07`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com)`
`04:21.14`	`Fin`	`I've used the max distance thing for ages, but sometimes wanted to make it a bit further away`
`04:21.34`	`Fin`	`ooh dear I'm going to have to rethink my preset camera views now! awesome`
`04:22.07`	`Fin`	`oh, wait... am I being silly?`
`04:23.08`	`Fin`	`yeah, I am`
`04:23.16`	`Fin`	`it's still limited to the max range I had before :/`
`04:26.34`	`Fin`	`I guess there's a hard max?`
`04:27.09`	`Fin`	`doesn't seem to affect anything if I set the MaxFactor to 10 or 20`
`04:27.22`	`malreth`	`probably`
`04:27.39`	`malreth`	`what game are we talking about? shit, what channel is this?`
`04:27.52`	`malreth`	`wowi? WTF?`
`04:27.53`	`Fin`	`I remember at one point there was no limit`
`04:27.55`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=malreth@cpe-72-177-113-22.austin.res.rr.com)`
`04:28.01`	`Fin`	`malreth: am I being stupid and missing something?`
`04:28.02`	`Fin`	`oh`
`04:28.52`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=malreth@cpe-72-177-113-22.austin.res.rr.com)`
`04:28.57`	`malreth`	`Fin: cough`
`04:29.00`	`malreth`	`~malreth`
`04:29.01`	`purl`	`rumour has it, malreth is an annoying person who hangs out in #wowi-lounge`
`04:29.07`	`malreth`	`aaah!`
`04:29.28`	`Guillotine`	`wow, I just saw the funniest ad ever on WoWI`
`04:29.29`	`Guillotine`	`http://www.geocities.com/curse.guillotine/Wierdad.JPG`
`04:29.30`	`malreth`	`then my work is complete`
`04:29.56`	`malreth`	`oh wow`
`04:30.11`	`Guillotine`	`yes, I want to know "What are computer?"`
`04:30.43`	`malreth`	`i own iscomputeronfire.com so i can somewhat relate`
`04:30.55`	`malreth`	`oh crap!`
`04:31.03`	`malreth`	`i just gave away it all`
`04:31.17`	`malreth`	`now Shirik will whois me, find my address`
`04:31.23`	`malreth`	`then rape me in my sleep`
`04:31.41`	`Fin`	`this is normally my job, malreth`
`04:32.01`	`malreth`	`your job is stalking people and raping them in their sleep?`
`04:32.10`	`malreth`	`you're weird`
`04:32.29`	`Fin`	`rich`
`04:34.34`	`Guillotine`	`someone sign Malreth up for a bunch of magazines`
`04:34.44`	`malreth`	`i wouldn't`
`04:35.08`	`Guillotine`	`well, thats because it would be going to you`
`04:35.19`	`Guillotine`	`<3`
`04:35.35`	`malreth`	`that's my previous apt address`
`04:35.36`	`Guillotine`	`haha`
`04:35.45`	`Guillotine`	`well, we could sign some random person up for magazines then`
`04:35.55`	`malreth`	`so i'm saved and i don't have to lube up before bed tonight`
`04:36.01`	`malreth`	`although...`
`04:37.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`never hurts to lube twice`
`04:37.38`	`Fin`	`well it can start chafing with the wrong lube`
`04:37.51`	`Fin`	`depending on the length of time between lubings`
`04:38.24`	`Fin`	`but, then that's what you get for buying cheap lube`
`04:38.46`	`Guillotine`	`anyway, ircatwork sucks, so Im getting off for the night. Grats again Shirik and g'night to all :)`
`04:38.46`	`Fin`	`how was I to know it was past its sell by date`
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`04:39.25`	`malreth`	`Fin: http://www.cheaplubes.com/BuyPjur`
`04:40.20`	`malreth`	`fiancee needs nyquil... later everyone`
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`04:44.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/nyquil/lube/`
`04:46.44`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Esamynn\|Away (n=nnnnnnch@64.180.64.72)`
`04:47.14`	`Wobwork`	`Thunder_Child: Not knowing what the replacement actually was for... =P I'd say the reverse is more fun?`
`04:48.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`it was for malreth, he was going to give "nyquil" to his fiancee`
`05:17.41`	`End`	`a walrus?!`
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`05:25.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes End, a walrus`
`05:25.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mmm`
`05:25.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`boilet peanuts`
`05:25.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`boiled`
`05:25.59`	`Shirik`	`night`
`05:27.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`night Shirik\|zZz`
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`05:30.13`	`art3mis`	`i wodner if adult swim is ever gonna be as good as it used to`
`05:30.35`	`art3mis`	`all this tim and eric crap makes it suck`
`05:30.49`	`art3mis`	`and it's like they dont put on animation anymore`
`05:31.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`metalocalypse is great`
`05:31.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`venture bros season 3 is otw`
`05:33.29`	`art3mis`	`yeah two things`
`05:33.31`	`art3mis`	`woo`
`05:33.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`saul was good`
`05:33.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`xavier has its moments`
`05:34.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lucy is pretty good`
`05:35.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`earlier tim and eric was pretty good`
`05:35.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it kinda has run thin recently though`
`05:38.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cide, ping`
`05:45.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`doesn't look like you're here cide, so`
`05:46.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Cide: http://www.ctprofiles.net/javascript/`
`05:48.37`	`art3mis`	`wow`
`05:48.44`	`art3mis`	`oogs rouge routine sucks massive cock`
`05:48.53`	`art3mis`	`rogue`
`05:49.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i read that as moulin rouge`
`05:51.39`	`art3mis`	`its soooo special`
`05:52.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`Mr_Rabies2, oogs = moulin?`
`05:52.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`routine`
`05:52.47`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`05:52.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my brain's currently having diphenhydramine pumped to it`
`05:52.56`	`art3mis`	`yeah moulin rouge sucks ;P`
`05:52.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so it's kinda not working at 100%`
`05:53.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`big pump?`
`05:53.05`	`art3mis`	`moulin rogue`
`05:53.11`	`Cide`	`Mr_Rabies2: I'm here`
`05:53.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`hey, it was a good movie`
`05:53.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart art3mis_`
`05:53.22`	`purl`	`changes art3mis_'s permissions to 0777 and tells the world`
`05:53.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart art3mis`
`05:53.24`	`purl`	`farts in art3mis's general direction`
`05:53.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`was that directory intended to be open?`
`05:53.32`	`Cide`	`Mr_Rabies2: looks like a misconfigured server config :P`
`05:53.38`	`Cide`	`read the first post!`
`05:53.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`are you not involved with ctprofiles anymore? :o`
`05:54.00`	`Cide`	`"CTProfiles has a new primary coder"`
`05:54.04`	`Cide`	`so no, not really`
`05:55.55`	`Cide`	`Mr_Rabies2: I forwarded it though, thanks`
`05:56.58`	`End`	`Cide: yay, ctprofiles`
`05:57.09`	`Cide`	`yep`
`06:00.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`the question though is can it beat warcrafter`
`06:00.53`	`buu`	`I think that movie made me sadder than when I started.`
`06:01.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Thunder_Child, eventually i'm sure`
`06:01.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`at the moment it's very beta`
`06:01.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`open beta?`
`06:03.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`nvm, i can read`
`06:03.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`from time to time`
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`06:15.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.woot.com/ i would be all over that if it was about...$300 or so`
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`07:09.56`	`reqol`	`i take it there is no way to accept a bind on pickup item anymore? looking to make one for mr. pinchy`
`07:10.36`	`testleK`	`Anyone know a simple way of using a variables contents to make a new variable merged with an addition name? (example name = alex if name = alex then alexLocation = reno; end (basically I want to take the content of name and add "Location" to the end of it so if name = fred then it would make fredLocation a variable)`
`07:14.45`	`Wobwork`	`http://xkcd.com/370/`
`07:14.46`	`Wobwork`	`win`
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`07:37.02`	`wereHamster`	`testleK, why do you want to do that?`
`07:41.18`	`testleK`	`because I am passed the item id # (10938 (lesser magic essence for this example)) and I have a list of what the mats convert into (example 10938convertsTo = gMagicEssence and gMagicEssence is defined elsewhere) so I need a way of called 10938convertsTo without actually knowing what item id # I'm being passed (I already have the list over ######convertsTo's I just need a way of picking the...`
`07:41.19`	`testleK`	`...right one)`
`07:41.44`	`testleK`	`s/list over ######convertsTo's I just/list of ######convertsTo's I just`
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`07:47.23`	`testleK`	`because of the need to call the content as part of the name elsewhere I thought the easiest way would be to figure out how to simply find a way to merge the content to another name would simplify the process and prevent me from having a huge list of if thens`
`07:49.08`	`clad\|away`	`I think it would be better if you present the problem to us, NOT tell us how you want to solve it`
`07:49.17`	`clad\|away`	`because what you're doing is convoluted, and there has to be a simpler way`
`07:49.24`	`buu`	`Oh god.`
`07:49.28`	`clad\|away`	`Don't tell us how you want to code it, tell us what you want to do P`
`07:49.36`	`buu`	`testleK: USE A HASH.`
`07:50.11`	`buu`	`testleK: object[ALEX][LOCATION] = 'COCKS';`
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`07:50.16`	`buu`	`Or whatever silly syntax it is.`
`07:50.25`	`phetips`	`greetings`
`07:51.15`	`testleK`	`lol sorry Im terrible at explaining this I want to call another variable based on the content of a variable`
`07:51.32`	`clad\|away`	`use a hash table.`
`07:51.47`	`clad\|away`	`local someVar = "frank", hashTbl[someVar] = "whateverdata"`
`07:52.23`	`phetips`	`php has a sexy solution for that :)`
`07:52.29`	`phetips`	`variable variables`
`07:52.30`	`clad\|away`	`or go back a step, and tell us what problem you are trying to solve.. not how you want to code it.. You're still giving us your bias about how you want to code it, and that makes it difficult to give you the best answer.`
`07:53.09`	`phetips`	`$var = "variable", $variable = "boohoo"`
`07:53.14`	`phetips`	`$$var = "boohoo"`
`07:53.28`	`clad\|away`	`or you could just use a hash table, or getglobal()`
`07:53.35`	`clad\|away`	`they both do the same thing in this case`
`07:53.39`	`phetips`	`:)`
`07:53.43`	`clad\|away`	`and don't need PHP's bullshit syntactic nightmare to do so :P`
`07:53.48`	`phetips`	`hehehe`
`07:53.59`	`testleK`	`LOL Im sorry let me try again- Im writing an evaluator that tells me if its worth buying a enchant mat to convert over to its lesser or greater size based on the resell values of the opposite`
`07:54.09`	`clad\|away`	`okay`
`07:54.18`	`buu`	`Ok, too broad.`
`07:54.39`	`buu`	`phetips: No that's just dumb.`
`07:54.50`	`phetips`	`buu: ehm?`
`07:54.57`	`buu`	`phetips: 'variable variables'`
`07:55.04`	`phetips`	`buu: that's what PHP calls em`
`07:55.10`	`buu`	`phetips: You know, if they were stealing things from perl, could they have at least left out the incredibly stupid bits?`
`07:55.13`	`testleK`	`I have a variable for each mat that is defined with its value from auctioneer`
`07:55.16`	`buu`	`Hrm, couldn't`
`07:55.24`	`clad\|away`	`testleK: Okay, whats the next step`
`07:55.25`	`buu`	`testleK: In an array?`
`07:55.31`	`clad\|away`	`How do you store your data`
`07:55.31`	`clad\|away`	`What data do you get in?`
`07:55.52`	`clad\|away`	`testleK: just a random global variable.. or are they in a hash table.`
`07:55.55`	`clad\|away`	`If they're not in a table, then why not`
`07:56.03`	`phetips`	`buu: hehe i didn't make it up :)`
`07:56.11`	`testleK`	`they are all local variables no tables or anything like that`
`07:56.14`	`buu`	`phetips: I'm still blaming you.`
`07:56.21`	`buu`	`testleK: How did you define them?`
`07:56.23`	`buu`	`testleK: Show us code.`
`07:56.25`	`phetips`	`buu: ^^`
`07:56.26`	`buu`	`NOT IN THE IRC WINDOW.`
`07:56.36`	`clad\|away`	`testleK: then that's your problem`
`07:56.39`	`clad\|away`	`and you should not do that`
`07:56.44`	`clad\|away`	`:P`
`07:56.56`	`clad\|away`	`you cannot access local variables by name without the debug library`
`07:57.02`	`clad\|away`	`and even then, index is the preferred method`
`07:57.17`	`clad\|away`	`you need to put them in a table, and us a hash on some other key to look them up, simple enough`
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`07:57.49`	`buu`	`phetips: And you could at least have the decency to never mention it again.`
`07:58.23`	`phetips`	`buu: haha you seem to hate php quite a bit?`
`07:58.51`	`testleK`	`hrm pastey's not working getting internal server error (500) is there another easy place for droping a blob of code to show you`
`07:59.00`	`phetips`	`pastebin.ca`
`07:59.23`	`buu`	`phetips: It's worth hating.`
`07:59.25`	`krka`	`php is like a dumb kid, you don't hate it, but you don't want to let it near your computer either.`
`07:59.41`	`buu`	`PHP IS MADE OF BROKEN DREAMS AND SHATTERED HOPES.`
`07:59.41`	`phetips`	`i'm listening`
`07:59.42`	`clad\|away`	`testleK: pastebin.ca, pastebin.com, rafb.net`
`07:59.43`	`clad\|away`	`etc.`
`07:59.48`	`phetips`	`what's so bad about it`
`07:59.48`	`krka`	`pastey.net`
`07:59.49`	`clad\|away`	`wow`
`07:59.52`	`clad\|away`	`this wowinsider article`
`07:59.59`	`clad\|away`	`has to the be the worst thing I've ever read`
`07:59.59`	`clad\|away`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:59.59`	`buu`	`phetips: Like, everything. There's nothing good about it.`
`08:00.03`	`clad\|away`	`http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/13/addon-spotlight-ace/`
`08:00.17`	`phetips`	`buu: ehh, okay`
`08:00.27`	`clad\|away`	`guess how long its been since CLIQUE was a fucking ace addon`
`08:00.38`	`clad\|away`	`.. how in the hell do you mess that one up?`
`08:00.47`	`testleK`	`ok this is what I have: http://www.pastebin.ca/854415`
`08:01.20`	`phetips`	`buu: wowinterface.com uses php`
`08:01.26`	`phetips`	`buu: i don't see what's so bad about PHP`
`08:01.33`	`testleK`	`line 172 is where I'm trying to start the process of matching it up`
`08:01.39`	`testleK`	`and running into this :P`
`08:02.12`	`phetips`	`buu: you prefer asp or java server pages???`
`08:02.17`	`buu`	`phetips: Generally, no.`
`08:02.53`	`phetips`	`it's good at doing what it was made for`
`08:03.14`	`buu`	`No it's really not.`
`08:03.21`	`phetips`	`why would you say that`
`08:03.29`	`buu`	`BECAUSE I'VE SEEN PHP CODE.`
`08:03.37`	`phetips`	`have you written it?`
`08:03.42`	`buu`	`I HAVE GAZED IN TO THE ABYSS.`
`08:03.46`	`buu`	`Thankfully very little.`
`08:04.18`	`phetips`	`i'd still like to hear some real arguments`
`08:04.37`	`art3mis`	`but clad`
`08:04.46`	`art3mis`	`it's about how ace makes things better and faster ;P`
`08:04.51`	`phetips`	`not that i'm picking a flamewar or anything`
`08:04.56`	`phetips`	`just curious about why you hate php so much`
`08:04.58`	`buu`	`Look, seriously, I'm not going to waste my time. It's been said, repeatedly, in a loud and angry voice. If you don't understand them by now, it's not worth it.`
`08:05.09`	`testleK`	`if a hash table will do what I need I will google it and figure out how to use it :)`
`08:05.18`	`buu`	`phetips: How about http://tnx.nl/php`
`08:05.49`	`phetips`	`there, those are arguments.. lemme read`
`08:05.54`	`art3mis`	`like the language or not at least its gooder than the alternatives for many`
`08:07.03`	`buu`	`art3mis: IT'S GOODER THAN WHAT`
`08:07.11`	`phetips`	`buu: argh okay, i still do not agree. but`
`08:07.16`	`phetips`	`buu: you are right`
`08:07.23`	`phetips`	`it's not worth the discussion, would be endless anyways =.=`
`08:07.44`	`phetips`	`i like perl too btw :)`
`08:07.57`	`art3mis`	`gooder than java and asp`
`08:08.11`	`art3mis`	`i say this because i depise both those languages`
`08:08.18`	`art3mis`	`and thier shit overhead attached`
`08:08.31`	`art3mis`	`asp only runs on windows machines without haxxoring apache`
`08:08.46`	`art3mis`	`java require an external install on the persons computer to accomplish anything`
`08:08.53`	`art3mis`	`those two features alone make them inferios`
`08:08.55`	`art3mis`	`r`
`08:09.20`	`buu`	`art3mis> java require an external install on the persons computer to accomplish anything`
`08:09.33`	`buu`	`Right.. obviously java is incapable of printing HTML`
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`08:10.15`	`phetips`	`i don't really have an opinion about ASP or JSP`
`08:10.21`	`phetips`	`since i never coded in any of them`
`08:10.30`	`phetips`	`*in either of them`
`08:11.46`	`phetips`	`but ah well enough about it already :)`
`08:12.01`	`phetips`	`i bought the wow modding book yesterday :)`
`08:16.12`	`clad\|away`	`nice, hopefully you find the last few chapters userful`
`08:16.14`	`clad\|away`	`~wowprogramming`
`08:16.14`	`purl`	`hmm... wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya`
`08:16.18`	`clad\|away`	`That's the new one, comes out in APril`
`08:16.56`	`phetips`	`cool`
`08:17.50`	`phetips`	`i just started reading`
`08:18.13`	`testleK`	`lol me thinks thats what I need :P`
`08:18.16`	`phetips`	`already fascinated by the fact that apparantly WoW warden scans all processes and let's blizzard know about them`
`08:18.37`	`phetips`	`didn't know`
`08:18.54`	`testleK`	`phetips my understanding is it only reports back the process if it matches one in its "no no list"`
`08:19.08`	`phetips`	`testleK: i understand`
`08:19.10`	`testleK`	`but still scary kinda :P`
`08:19.12`	`phetips`	`testleK: but still :)`
`08:19.13`	`phetips`	`yeah`
`08:19.40`	`testleK`	`but I don't think it can scan outside of the wine bottle wow is running in :P`
`08:19.55`	`testleK`	`not sure how that works tho`
`08:20.02`	`phetips`	`probably not, no :)`
`08:20.17`	`phetips`	`i run wow in windows though :)`
`08:20.24`	`phetips`	`running it in wine is way too slow for me`
`08:20.29`	`testleK`	`oh :-p I'm sorry :)`
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`08:20.59`	`clad\|away`	`aye, they're pretty aggressive against cheating`
`08:21.02`	`clad\|away`	`in that regard`
`08:21.16`	`testleK`	`lol really? I get better fps out of running it in wine on this comp then when I tried it in windows`
`08:21.30`	`phetips`	`yeah they were like that in the days of TFT too :)`
`08:21.42`	`phetips`	`when big ladder players started using maphack`
`08:21.51`	`phetips`	`a lot of cd keys got banned`
`08:22.04`	`testleK`	`aye, i love to hate it, sucks that we need things like warden because it is intrusive to a point... yet I also appreciate the service it provides`
`08:22.36`	`phetips`	`ah well they shouldn't have things like character speed be handled by the client`
`08:23.32`	`phetips`	`if you just make sure the server doesn't take any bullshit, then clients can be altered with without messing the game up`
`08:23.41`	`phetips`	`but that's just my newb perspective on the matter`
`08:25.47`	`phetips`	`but well, i've seen some pretty creative w3 tft hacks`
`08:26.01`	`phetips`	`even some bots that actually altered the position of your cursor and simulated clicks`
`08:26.09`	`phetips`	`to automate certain build orders :)`
`08:26.28`	`Srosh`	`I guess their reason for letting the client handle the positioning was to cut down on the dreaded posi bugs and "jumping" characters.`
`08:26.39`	`phetips`	`Srosh: not sure i follow`
`08:27.34`	`Srosh`	`Well, the reason teleport hacks exist is that the WoW client does all movement of the character and reports it to the server which just takes it as it is.`
`08:27.45`	`phetips`	`yes`
`08:27.47`	`phetips`	`that i know`
`08:28.17`	`Srosh`	`This means you're less inclined to make weird jumps on your side which would be the case if you'd let the server handle that and the server reported your position to your client.`
`08:28.31`	`phetips`	`ah`
`08:28.31`	`phetips`	`i see`
`08:28.36`	`phetips`	`that's true i guess`
`08:29.11`	`phetips`	`yeah well as i said i'm no pro :)`
`08:29.17`	`phetips`	`there's probably more to it than i know`
`08:29.17`	`Srosh`	`Because to let the game run smooth even in the case of server side positioning the client had to make guesses about your movement - which could be wrong. ^^`
`08:29.31`	`phetips`	`yeah i understand`
`08:29.43`	`Srosh`	`Getting worse as latency increases.`
`08:31.18`	`phetips`	`i read about wowinterface.com portals for Mod authors to update their mods/info on, are they still available?`
`08:31.23`	`phetips`	`because i have plans for a certain addon`
`08:32.03`	`phetips`	`oh hehe i see`
`08:32.06`	`phetips`	`"portals" :)`
`08:38.31`	`clad\|away`	`phetips: yes they are`
`08:42.23`	`phetips`	`clad\|away: cool, who do i talk to about them?`
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`08:58.25`	`reqol`	`with ConfirmBindOnUse being protected, is it impossible to bypass the bind on pickup message when not in a group?`
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`09:01.52`	`Wobin_`	`omg`
`09:01.53`	`Wobin_`	`http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/`
`09:01.56`	`Wobin_`	`what a great idea`
`09:06.47`	`Kalroth`	`"And then I had an idea ? what if you were only allowed to say sentences that had never been said before, ever? A bot with access to the full channel logs could kick you out when you repeated something that had already been said. There would be no ?all your base are belong to us?, no ?lol?, no ?asl?, no ?there are no girls on the internet?. No ?I know rite?, no ?hi everyone?, no ?morning sucks.? Ju`
`09:06.48`	`Kalroth`	`st thoughtful, full sentences."`
`09:06.56`	`Kalroth`	`Awesome idea really :)`
`09:07.15`	`Wobin_`	`inorite? =P`
`09:08.04`	`Antiarc`	`~asktoask`
`09:08.04`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`09:08.22`	`Antiarc`	`^-- problem for a channel like this :P`
`09:08.35`	`Wobin_`	`You could easily have it filter out purl requests`
`09:09.29`	`Wobin_`	`hehe I've just joined`
`09:09.34`	`Wobin_`	`but I'm afraid of saying anything =P`
`09:10.00`	`Antiarc`	`~lol`
`09:10.01`	`purl`	`lol is probably stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.`
`09:10.10`	`Antiarc`	`~generic sentence here`
`09:14.04`	`reqol`	`wobin: which server did you go to`
`09:17.12`	`Wobin_`	`irc.foonetic.net`
`09:25.43`	`Fin`	`~ask`
`09:25.43`	`purl`	`Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.`
`09:26.09`	`Fin`	`Kalroth: awesome`
`09:26.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`~factingo ask`
`09:26.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`~factinfo ask`
`09:26.23`	`purl`	`ask -- last modified at Fri May 4 21:00:47 2007 by Qwell[]!i=qwell@pdpc/sponsor/digium/Qwell; it has been requested 114 times, last by Fin, 40s ago.`
`09:26.24`	`Fin`	`can someone tell me what class / spec goes for gear "of the Falcon", please?`
`09:29.17`	`Antiarc`	`that's agi/int, right?`
`09:29.24`	`Fin`	`yes`
`09:29.25`	`Antiarc`	`The only class that would want that would be a low-level hunter`
`09:29.43`	`Fin`	`high level hunters are never going to go for it, are they`
`09:29.45`	`Fin`	`bugger`
`09:29.48`	`Antiarc`	`no`
`09:29.54`	`Antiarc`	`If they get greens they'll get bandit`
`09:30.05`	`Fin`	`makes my blue 68 mail chestpiece worth approximately cock all then`
`09:30.06`	`Fin`	`tits`
`09:30.12`	`Antiarc`	`Shard it`
`09:30.52`	`Fin`	`oh well, it was valued at around 100g on Thott + Wowhead`
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`10:21.42`	`Industrial`	`I only go for full ap/agi with my hunter :p`
`10:21.55`	`Industrial`	`most stuff has sta on it too tho..`
`10:46.09`	`Kaso`	`Woot my new pc is here! time to assemble`
`10:50.37`	`art3mis`	`heh most people in here would fail the long thought out and insightful complete sentence rule`
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`11:02.02`	`phetips`	`hehe that xkcd article makes me feel like an intruder in this channel ^.^`
`11:02.55`	`krka`	`which xkcd?`
`11:03.38`	`phetips`	`http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/`
`11:08.14`	`krka`	`interesting`
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`11:19.01`	`Wobin_`	`hehe`
`11:19.12`	`Wobin_`	`I never realised how cool the draenei male crossbow fire animation was`
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`12:05.19`	`Industrial`	`you are all outsiders`
`12:05.41`	`Industrial`	`also, you are now breathing manually.`
`12:06.05`	`haste`	`it's the final countdown`
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`12:13.03`	`Fin`	`great`
`12:13.12`	`Fin`	`now I have the final countdown going round and round my head`
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`12:40.01`	`Wobin_`	`Fin: me too =(`
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`12:43.03`	`haste`	`harr harr`
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`12:56.06`	`Kaso`	`oh god`
`12:56.31`	`Kaso`	`i just took a swig of water which had been in my water cooling system accidently`
`12:56.36`	`Kaso`	`man that was horrible`
`12:56.40`	`Shirik`	`><`
`12:57.18`	`Kaso`	`luckly i was just distilled water this time, only traces of the anti-freeze mix i had in last time`
`12:57.52`	`Fin`	`now I have Bernard Cribbins going round and round my head`
`12:57.53`	`krka`	`how do you do that "accidently"?`
`12:58.15`	`Fin`	`tee hee`
`12:58.31`	`Kaso`	`well i was taking apart my system, needed to drain the licquid so grabbed the closest thing i found, a pint glass`
`12:58.37`	`Fin`	`krka: don't mean it snugglepuffkins! xx`
`12:58.50`	`Kaso`	`that was two hours ago and i forgot that the glass had wc water in it not just drinking water like it usually has`
`12:58.57`	`Fin`	`my sister stopped me drinking a glass of bleach once`
`12:59.27`	`Fin`	`I'd eaten something really spicy and was desperate for something to drink, just grabbed at a glass with this clear fluid in it`
`12:59.31`	`Kaso`	`that'd be very bad`
`12:59.49`	`Fin`	`however, another time I did mistake a glass of old frying oil for a glass of orange juice`
`12:59.58`	`Wobin_`	`who leaves glasses of bleach on the counter? O.O`
`13:00.09`	`Fin`	`my mother!`
`13:00.12`	`krka`	`darwin awards all around!`
`13:00.33`	`Fin`	`same deal, curry or something (hello Adys!) and I grabbed a glass of orange looking liquid and took a big gulp`
`13:00.47`	`Fin`	`cue puking in the sink, ew`
`13:03.06`	`krka`	`that foils almost all of my evil schemes :/`
`13:04.48`	`Kalroth`	`Fin: You'd drink any clear fluid, eh?`
`13:06.41`	`Shirik`	`...`
`13:06.56`	`Shirik`	`did not need that mental picture`
`13:07.20`	`Adys`	`Kalroth, French fluids are never entirely clear!`
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`13:24.21`	`batrick`	`zzz`
`13:24.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Totally. snooze button`
`13:28.39`	`Shirik`	`I would love to zzz`
`13:28.55`	`Shirik`	`but apparently I'm supposed to read this chapter on signals & systems before class today...`
`13:29.13`	`Shirik`	`so /vanish`
`13:29.16`	`batrick`	`and so it begins`
`13:29.21`	`batrick`	`what book do you have shirik`
`13:29.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`uh`
`13:29.31`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I'll get back to you, it's in the car atm`
`13:29.35`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`and I haven't opened it yet so I have no idea`
`13:29.36`	`batrick`	`is it green?`
`13:29.41`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`no blue`
`13:29.48`	`batrick`	`ah`
`13:29.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's blue and in the car. Must go fetch it if you're gonna read it!`
`13:43.48`	`phetips`	`the adjusted SciTE editor is pretty nice :)`
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`14:09.15`	`Shirik`	`anyway batrick the name is "signal processing first" by McClellan, Schafer, and Yoder`
`14:10.07`	`batrick`	`haven't heard of that one`
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`14:26.02`	`phetips`	`hmm`
`14:26.34`	`phetips`	`"$parent_Text" is apparantly interpreted as "[name of addon]_Text"`
`14:26.46`	`phetips`	`so it wouldn't be possible in this case to have another var that's called "paren" ?`
`14:27.11`	`phetips`	`because then it would be "[value of paren]t_Text"`
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`14:27.28`	`phetips`	`this is called interpolation right?`
`14:27.45`	`phetips`	`*name of addon= name of parent`
`14:28.00`	`End`	`it only accepts $parent`
`14:28.08`	`End`	`there aren't any other keywords it uses afaik`
`14:28.20`	`phetips`	`ah :)`
`14:28.25`	`End`	`and $parent is the name of the parent frame`
`14:28.31`	`Shirik`	`That's not really true`
`14:28.36`	`Shirik`	`Yeah it's the parent frame`
`14:28.44`	`Shirik`	`Not necessarily the name of the addon`
`14:28.53`	`phetips`	`yes i corrected that :)`
`14:29.13`	`phetips`	`but yeah i figured $ was for accessing a variable`
`14:29.14`	`End`	`I was reading backwards :P`
`14:29.27`	`End`	`by the time I got to the top, I forgot you corrected yourself`
`14:29.28`	`phetips`	`PHP habits :)`
`14:29.31`	`phetips`	`hehe`
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`14:37.39`	`Shirik`	`batrick: What symbol do you use for sqrt(-1) ?`
`14:37.51`	`batrick`	`in engineering, j`
`14:38.01`	`Shirik`	`Huh.`
`14:38.09`	`Shirik`	`Yeah that's what this book is using too, I've never seen that before :/`
`14:38.31`	`batrick`	`i find that suprising`
`14:38.37`	`phetips`	`erhm`
`14:38.42`	`phetips`	`isn't that "i" ?`
`14:38.55`	`Shirik`	`apparently not`
`14:38.59`	`batrick`	`all engineers use j`
`14:39.00`	`phetips`	`i thought it was`
`14:39.00`	`Shirik`	`at least not according to engineers`
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`14:39.20`	`Shirik`	`batrick: I guess I do have to admit until now I haven't really used sqrt(-1) in any of my engineering classes :P`
`14:39.21`	`batrick`	`the reason is because current is symbolized with i`
`14:39.27`	`Shirik`	`Ah that's a good point`
`14:39.51`	`Fin`	`Kalroth: not anymore! those days are behind me. plus, yours is a dirty yellow.`
`14:40.25`	`Fin`	`#wowi-lounge: <Kalroth> Fin: You'd drink any clear fluid, eh?`
`14:40.31`	`Kalroth`	`Oh`
`14:40.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh dear.`
`14:40.40`	`Kalroth`	`No, I drink bleach, so mine is clear now.`
`14:40.58`	`End`	`that sounds safe!`
`14:40.58`	`Fin`	`too late, alas`
`14:41.06`	`Fin`	`wait... are you mocking me?`
`14:41.12`	`Kalroth`	`I believe I am.`
`14:41.19`	`Fin`	`a pox upon your evil soul!`
`14:41.30`	`Shirik`	`he's a witch! Burn him!`
`14:41.35`	`End`	`a witch!`
`14:41.35`	`Kalroth`	`And here I tanked so well, only got you ganked once!`
`14:41.46`	`Kalroth`	`Wait, you actually didn't die, it was that other priest.`
`14:41.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Must be because you were a wtich, burn him!`
`14:42.04`	`End`	`he turned me into a newt!`
`14:42.15`	`Kalroth`	`End: I wish, but you've always been one!`
`14:42.22`	`End`	`:(`
`14:42.35`	`End`	`I was a toad before!`
`14:42.44`	`End`	`being a newt is a new thing!`
`14:44.54`	`Fin`	`she's nice, I like Aminee`
`14:45.08`	`Fin`	`and her boyfriend Ustin, both solid`
`14:45.22`	`Kalroth`	`Oh, she was a real girl?`
`14:45.24`	`Fin`	`Kalroth, want to do the Heroic daily again today? :)`
`14:45.39`	`Fin`	`yeah... if you'd come on TS you'd've known that already :P`
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`14:47.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Teamspeak, the chick-hangout`
`14:47.55`	`Kalroth`	`Fin: I guess I shouldn't have cybered her then`
`14:48.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Because she has a boyfriend, or because she's a girl?`
`14:48.24`	`Kalroth`	`the latter`
`14:48.35`	`Fin`	`Kalroth: well, she is a real girl`
`14:48.46`	`Kalroth`	`I don't doubt you!`
`14:48.51`	`Fin`	`gosh darnit, I should really learn to read the whole of scrollback before replying`
`14:48.52`	`Shirik`	`I'm not sure what to be more confused about`
`14:49.03`	`Shirik`	`the fact that you were cybering, or the fact that you would prefer to cyber with a guy.`
`14:49.13`	`Fin`	`I'll take that as a no then! fair enough :)`
`14:49.30`	`Fin`	`there's nothing wrong with being gay, Shirik`
`14:49.36`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: There are no girls online, so why bother with the gender`
`14:50.12`	`phetips`	`guess WoW does that`
`14:50.17`	`phetips`	`makes you forget there's stuff`
`14:50.18`	`phetips`	`... outside`
`14:50.18`	`End`	`o_O`
`14:50.22`	`Shirik`	`you know, we must make Lopeppeppy feel really bad every day when someone says "there are no girls online"`
`14:50.44`	`End`	`Lopeppeppy: did you realize, girls are a myth?`
`14:50.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Perhaps a sex change will help my marriage, who knows? o.O`
`14:50.52`	`phetips`	`><`
`14:50.57`	`End`	`Shirik: there, like that?`
`14:52.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hey, if a sniff gets me a hug, what do I get if I cry? winks`
`14:52.18`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
`14:52.24`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`:O`
`14:52.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`See? Be GLAD there are girls online!`
`14:52.59`	`End`	`So manipulative!`
`14:53.02`	`End`	`I admit defeat!`
`14:53.16`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I admit dehands!`
`14:53.18`	`End`	`;-P`
`14:53.31`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Girls suck though. :P`
`14:53.42`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I'll sign off on that`
`14:53.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You wish, \|Jelly\|.`
`14:54.53`	`sysrage`	`woot. 1018 dps on bear boss`
`14:55.16`	`\|Jelly\|`	`No, I don't wish- it's true.`
`14:56.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Rawr. Someone has had a better day than I have, then!`
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`15:13.21`	`Ultimaex`	`Hello, has anyone time to look over my small addon to find out why it dont runs?`
`15:13.37`	`Ultimaex`	`doesnt`
`15:13.46`	`malreth`	`do you get any error messages?`
`15:14.25`	`Ultimaex`	`wow only shows the message that i can ignore lua errors or that i can disable all addons`
`15:14.56`	`phetips`	`type`
`15:14.58`	`Ultimaex`	`i uploaded it`
`15:15.01`	`phetips`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:15.02`	`End`	`so, a taint error then? :P`
`15:15.03`	`malreth`	`sounds like you've tainted something`
`15:15.07`	`Ultimaex`	`http://ulti11.ul.funpic.de/SaveAddon.lua`
`15:15.36`	`phetips`	`Ultimaex: it says that if you disabled script errors`
`15:15.44`	`phetips`	`type /console scriptErrors 1 to enable them`
`15:15.56`	`Ultimaex`	`i will try`
`15:16.11`	`clad\|away`	`okay.. so pretty much any UDP or TCP connection I open, just has periods where the packets disappear into the void, never to return.k`
`15:16.14`	`clad\|away`	`its extremely frustrating =(`
`15:16.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You have an Internet connection into a black hole, Cladhaire?`
`15:16.48`	`clad\|away`	`it seems to be, yes :P`
`15:16.57`	`Ultimaex`	`ok it says`
`15:17.30`	`Ultimaex`	`a:26:attempt to index global 'os'`
`15:17.57`	`malreth`	`you haven't posted your entire addon code then`
`15:18.06`	`malreth`	`oh... nm`
`15:18.07`	`Ultimaex`	`i did`
`15:18.09`	`malreth`	`there it is`
`15:18.10`	`Ultimaex`	`26`
`15:18.12`	`malreth`	`sorry`
`15:18.15`	`malreth`	`my bad...`
`15:18.19`	`malreth`	`don't use os.clock()`
`15:18.27`	`Ultimaex`	`what should i use then?`
`15:18.36`	`malreth`	`time()`
`15:18.38`	`malreth`	`i think...`
`15:18.43`	`malreth`	`i haven't had my coffee yet`
`15:18.44`	`clad\|away`	`GetTime()`
`15:18.56`	`malreth`	`or GetTime(), yah`
`15:19.08`	`malreth`	`either one`
`15:19.30`	`malreth`	`there is no os object in WoW's Lua environment`
`15:19.47`	`Ultimaex`	`ok :)`
`15:19.58`	`Ultimaex`	`i havnt used lua very much yet`
`15:20.36`	`batrick`	`there could be :P`
`15:20.36`	`malreth`	`you wouldn't want os.clock() anyways`
`15:20.36`	`malreth`	`it doesn't return the time like GetTime() or time() does`
`15:20.40`	`clad\|away`	`GetTime() doesn't return the current time`
`15:20.57`	`malreth`	`also, don't listen to me because i'm still half-asleep`
`15:20.59`	`clad\|away`	`it returns a machine independent "clock-tick" but can be used as a time with less than millisecond precision`
`15:21.03`	`clad\|away`	`so yes, its certainly okay to use.`
`15:21.05`	`Ultimaex`	`ok`
`15:21.09`	`batrick`	`don't listen to malreth period`
`15:21.12`	`batrick`	`~malreth`
`15:21.13`	`purl`	`Yes, infact the univers DOES revolve around me`
`15:21.17`	`batrick`	`wow`
`15:21.18`	`malreth`	`huh?`
`15:21.28`	`malreth`	`~literal malreth`
`15:21.29`	`purl`	`"malreth" is "( <reply> malreth is always wrong\| <reply> never take malreth seriously\|an annoying person who hangs out in #wowi-lounge\| <reply> Yes, infact the univers DOES revolve around me)"`
`15:21.33`	`malreth`	`hmm..`
`15:21.36`	`malreth`	`~factinfo malreth`
`15:21.36`	`purl`	`malreth -- last modified 1d 18h 16m 59s ago by Thunder_Child!i=Thunder_@cpe-76-171-184-46.socal.res.rr.com; it has been requested 46 times, last by batrick, 23s ago.`
`15:21.40`	`malreth`	`hahah!`
`15:22.09`	`malreth`	`he even typoed it... classic Thunder_Child`
`15:22.39`	`Ultimaex`	`and another question.. i tried to use the ace libary. The problem is that i cant acces to the libary in that local SaveFrame. How is that possible?`
`15:23.42`	`End`	`you mean like accessing the methods on SaveAddon?`
`15:23.58`	`malreth`	`shouldn't be a problem since SaveAddon is declared global`
`15:24.17`	`malreth`	`SaveAddon:SomeAceMethodName()`
`15:24.25`	`End`	`hmm, yeah, that's true`
`15:25.07`	`Fin`	`is it Addon or AddOn?`
`15:25.15`	`Fin`	`and on`
`15:25.16`	`Fin`	`and on`
`15:25.19`	`Fin`	`and ar i ston`
`15:25.25`	`End`	`AceAddon I think`
`15:25.26`	`malreth`	`he spelled it Addon`
`15:25.35`	`Fin`	`that always annoys me`
`15:25.36`	`malreth`	`"SaveAddon = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("AceConsole-2.0", "AceEvent-2.0");`
`15:25.36`	`malreth`	`"`
`15:25.52`	`End`	`of course, I always try to spell it AddOn :P`
`15:25.57`	`Fin`	`also! I still haven't found out the definitive verison of Steam Vaults' name`
`15:25.59`	`krka`	`AddOff!`
`15:26.12`	`malreth`	`Fin: it's SV`
`15:26.14`	`Fin`	`The Steamvaults? The Steam Vaults? Steamvaults? Steam Vaults?`
`15:26.30`	`malreth`	`nope... you're making it too complicated`
`15:26.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hell?`
`15:26.32`	`End`	`The Steamvault I think`
`15:26.40`	`End`	`no wait`
`15:26.45`	`Fin`	`it's one way in the LFG system, and another on Wowhead, and another on Thottbot`
`15:26.49`	`End`	`The Steam Vaults?`
`15:26.50`	`End`	`I dunno!`
`15:28.34`	`End`	`I think it's The Steamvault`
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`15:29.13`	`malreth`	`it's either Steamvault or Steam Vault`
`15:29.18`	`End`	`the zone name is`
`15:29.24`	`End`	`"The Steamvault"`
`15:29.40`	`malreth`	`what is it in German?`
`15:29.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`All I can hear is the Addams Family, "To the Vault!"`
`15:30.19`	`malreth`	`this thread is amazing... it's like he's having a conversation all to himself: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881844502&sid=1`
`15:30.47`	`zenzelezz`	`I stopped talking to myself a long time ago`
`15:30.50`	`zenzelezz`	`I could never stop arguing`
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`15:31.01`	`End`	`I found myself to be very agreeable`
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`15:31.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Why not use the standard keybinds, why get all complex? boggles`
`15:32.54`	`malreth`	`he specifically wants a macro that 'walks through' opening and closing each bag`
`15:33.15`	`malreth`	`i guess i could see the reasoning behind that. it's a perfectly valid script to write.`
`15:34.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`zenzelezz, darling... I didn't know you cared, but try a little more to the left next time, kk?`
`15:34.21`	`malreth`	`you have to make sure that all of the buttons get attention`
`15:34.44`	`malreth`	`and remember she lives in NY so they also have to stay warm`
`15:34.49`	`zenzelezz`	`peppy: certainly, mistress`
`15:34.49`	`malreth`	`nothing worse than a cold button`
`15:35.07`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm from Norway, we don't know what heat is`
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`15:35.27`	`malreth`	`zenzelezz has antifreeze for blood`
`15:35.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I at least have fur blankets to keep warm while it's snowing.`
`15:35.36`	`Ultimaex`	`how can i create a text variable?`
`15:35.39`	`Ultimaex`	`i mean`
`15:35.41`	`Ultimaex`	`a number`
`15:35.42`	`End`	`a ...text variable?`
`15:35.43`	`malreth`	`all variables are the same`
`15:35.47`	`End`	`a ...number veriable?`
`15:35.54`	`End`	`x = 1234?`
`15:36.00`	`malreth`	`no such thing as typed variables in Lua`
`15:36.07`	`End`	`lua> x = 1234; print(1234)`
`15:36.07`	`lua_bot`	`End: 1234`
`15:36.16`	`End`	`oops, I meant to put x in`
`15:36.21`	`zenzelezz`	`the only typing in Lua is what you do on your keyboard`
`15:36.21`	`malreth`	`~fail End`
`15:36.22`	`purl`	`End: Fail.`
`15:36.37`	`End`	`~lart End`
`15:36.37`	`purl`	`calls End on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home`
`15:37.08`	`Ultimaex`	`the problem is that i want to change that number with a chat comand and wow tells me that i cant write a text into a numeric variable`
`15:37.35`	`End`	`are you trying "123" + 3 or something?`
`15:37.39`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm guessing tonumber() would help`
`15:37.41`	`End`	`trying tonumber()`
`15:37.42`	`End`	`er`
`15:37.43`	`End`	`try*`
`15:37.45`	`End`	`~fail End`
`15:37.46`	`purl`	`End: Fail.`
`15:38.16`	`malreth`	`lua> x=3; y="2"; print(x + y)`
`15:38.16`	`lua_bot`	`malreth: 5`
`15:38.31`	`malreth`	`lua handles typecasting from strings to numbers quite well`
`15:38.32`	`zenzelezz`	`lua> 3+"2"`
`15:38.32`	`lua_bot`	`zenzelezz: 5`
`15:38.45`	`zenzelezz`	`seems so`
`15:38.46`	`End`	`lua> 3+"a"`
`15:38.46`	`lua_bot`	`End: [string "return 3+"a""]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value`
`15:39.16`	`End`	`Ultimaex: ok, we have no idea what you are actually doing`
`15:39.33`	`Ultimaex`	`xD i dont even know myself :(`
`15:39.36`	`krka`	`lua> return 3+"1"`
`15:39.36`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 4`
`15:39.41`	`End`	`lua> 3+"3a"`
`15:39.41`	`lua_bot`	`End: [string "return 3+"3a""]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value`
`15:40.08`	`krka`	`lua>3 + "0x123"`
`15:40.08`	`lua_bot`	`krka: 294`
`15:40.34`	`malreth`	`ping wowinterface.com`
`15:40.47`	`krka`	`pong!`
`15:41.01`	`malreth`	`there it goes... site's loading really slow for me`
`15:41.02`	`krka`	`malreth: PING wowinterface.com (65.98.55.102) 56(84) bytes of data.`
`15:41.11`	`End`	`worksforme`
`15:41.50`	`malreth`	`it's working now for me`
`15:45.09`	`malreth`	`i'm uncharacteristically helpful this morning`
`15:45.18`	`malreth`	`ooh... meetings... gotta go!`
`15:45.25`	`malreth`	`~meetings`
`15:45.26`	`purl`	`meetings are the practical alternative to work`
`15:45.33`	`End`	`~unproductivity`
`15:45.33`	`purl`	`yay!`
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`15:53.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sweet.`
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`16:09.01`	`zenzelezz`	`generally I like English dialects, but the English dialect I dislike the most is the one where they keep throwing in Rs... "Amandar said", "drawrings", etc`
`16:11.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I dislike the "f" for "th" dialect of "fot" for "thought"`
`16:11.52`	`zenzelezz`	`I'd have to agree`
`16:12.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And it sometimes comes out as "fort" as well, combining our two pet peeves.`
`16:12.44`	`zenzelezz`	`>.<`
`16:14.21`	`zenzelezz`	`used to be in the same guild as someone with the (in my opinion) best English dialect... unfortunately I don't know the name/region. Particularly remember when he discovered "Torment of the Worgen" in Karazhan... "hey, I'm a wolf - cooool" in a thick accent`
`16:14.22`	`Fin`	`only fick people don't pronounce their ths`
`16:14.41`	`Fin`	`stupid fickos`
`16:14.53`	`zenzelezz`	`:-p`
`16:14.53`	`Fin`	`can't speak proper or nuffin`
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`16:16.11`	`zenzelezz`	`some Australian dialects are nice as well; not the Steve Irwin kind`
`16:18.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well, consider that his was part acting as well, zenzelezz. If you watch some of the longer documentaries, you'll find there's much less of crikey in those than in his regular television show.`
`16:19.03`	`zenzelezz`	`that might be so, but you still get my point :)`
`16:19.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I can live with crikey better than the f bomb every 5 seconds.`
`16:19.35`	`batrick`	`you must love los angeles then`
`16:19.49`	`batrick`	`oh that's my pet peeve btw`
`16:19.54`	`batrick`	`people who say las angeles`
`16:20.26`	`batrick`	`or that they only pronounce half of the spanish words correctly, like puerto rico`
`16:20.30`	`batrick`	`they say porto rico`
`16:20.33`	`batrick`	`so awesome`
`16:20.59`	`Fin`	`speaking of Aussies, my new favourite thing is the Eulogy song, which is from the Chasers, an Australian comedy show`
`16:21.03`	`Fin`	`it's bonza`
`16:21.16`	`Fin`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=hLVsIpejFgM`
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`16:21.28`	`Fin`	`offensive in the very best way possible`
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`16:22.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I just killed my work server. deep sigh`
`16:22.30`	`Kaso`	`Killed software or killed hardware?`
`16:22.42`	`Fin`	`they mention Steve Irwin, actually`
`16:22.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Software glitch has frozen server processes, must be rebooted.`
`16:32.10`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!ap 1540`
`16:32.10`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Arena points from a rating of 1540 is, 2v2: 296, 3v3: 342, 5v5: 389`
`16:32.29`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!ap 1800`
`16:32.30`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Arena points from a rating of 1800 is, 2v2: 578, 3v3: 669, 5v5: 760`
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`16:40.55`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!ap 1509`
`16:40.56`	`ThraeBot`	`\|Jelly\|: Arena points from a rating of 1509 is, 2v2: 268, 3v3: 311, 5v5: 353`
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`16:41.49`	`batrick`	`whoa shirik has admin now`
`16:42.03`	`\|Jelly\|`	`He works for the evil empire.`
`16:42.51`	`zenzelezz`	`admin? Thought he was just a mod`
`16:43.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik is scary-doom.`
`16:43.28`	`batrick`	`no he has been given virtual legs with which to kick people`
`16:43.33`	`batrick`	`the rest of us are crippled`
`16:48.35`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!AP 1514`
`16:53.18`	`cogwheel`	`~seen alestane`
`16:53.21`	`purl`	`alestane <n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4d 17h 49m 42s ago, saying: 'Beladona: I actually recently almost got a job at a NOC through a friend. Then their hiring manager postponed my interview and then emailed me that they pursuing another candidate rather than rescheduling the interview. My ...`
`16:55.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ooops, I killed the server a second time, my bad.`
`16:55.51`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`damn, the ui forums are so.............green ;)`
`16:56.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I did it with the deliberate knowledge of my administrator, recreating the bug so he could watch it crash the system.... Masochist that he is.`
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`16:56.13`	`cogwheel`	`yeah... Bela\|work called peppy iriel :P`
`16:56.28`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`haha`
`16:56.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, Esamynn... did you notice that Slouken drafted three new dinosaurs right before he went off for paternity leave? Smart man, that.`
`16:56.43`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`I keep forgetting to look too :/`
`16:56.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Now I'm afraid that Iriel is gonna sneak up on me dinosaur style!`
`16:57.02`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`lol`
`16:57.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I really hate the Blade's Edge arena.`
`16:57.21`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`how come?`
`16:57.45`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Cause I already fucking hate it when people run around like morons. Now they have something to jump off of too.`
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`17:01.13`	`cogwheel`	`Lopeppeppy: word i hear is that it was the CMs who prompted the UI & macro MVP expansion...`
`17:01.55`	`cogwheel`	`not sure how much prompting slouken was responsible for ;)`
`17:01.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`CM = Slouken, or no? I have a headache, acronyms are not parsing today.`
`17:02.40`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Lopeppeppy: nope`
`17:02.58`	`Bela\|work`	`he isn't a CM, he just posts a lot`
`17:02.58`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`slouken = Dev, CM = people like Drysc`
`17:03.11`	`Bela\|work`	`brb, need to reboot`
`17:03.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Okay. I feel straighter now, thanks.`
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`17:03.21`	`zenzelezz`	`community manager, isn't it?`
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`17:05.20`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I'm glad you feel straighter, Peppy. ;)`
`17:06.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That's sadly never been in doubt, \|Jelly\|.`
`17:06.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Warped is not the same as bent, after all!`
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`17:13.01`	`zenzelezz`	`you can still be straight but bent`
`17:13.21`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I <3 bent Peppy`
`17:13.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm surely something warped...`
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`17:32.23`	`zenzelezz`	`SS or it didn't happen`
`17:33.38`	`Industrial`	`where do ogrila daily prequests start?`
`17:34.12`	`Kalroth`	`In Shattrath`
`17:34.23`	`Kalroth`	`At the ogre by the uhmm, tailors`
`17:34.26`	`Industrial`	`really? I have done the skettis prequests`
`17:34.35`	`Industrial`	`ah, the big fat sitting one?`
`17:34.37`	`zenzelezz`	`guy on the tower just southeast of the arena in Blade's Edge actually, but you can get directions to him from the ogre in Lower City`
`17:34.38`	`Kalroth`	`Yeah`
`17:34.45`	`Industrial`	`k`
`17:34.52`	`Kalroth`	`Oh, you don't need to pick the Shattrath one up? Figures, I guess.`
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`17:35.07`	`zenzelezz`	`don't think you do`
`17:40.17`	`Industrial`	`sigh how can people listen to AC/DC seriously... its like a gremlin singin "yeah rock on woohoo" :\|`
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`17:42.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes, gremlins are about my speed though.`
`17:44.16`	`Industrial`	`hm`
`17:44.31`	`Cide`	`hm, ok so`
`17:44.36`	`Industrial`	`that guy on the tower gave me 5man quests to kill gronns`
`17:44.39`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Otep = pvp music`
`17:44.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yes, yes he did Industrial.`
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`17:45.02`	`zenzelezz`	`Industrial: that would be the right ones`
`17:45.15`	`zenzelezz`	`complete those three and you get one more, and then a final one`
`17:45.18`	`Industrial`	`I dont like group quests :<, I have about 12 now and nobody wants to do them :P`
`17:45.22`	`Industrial`	`k`
`17:45.37`	`Cide`	`I have two lines (represented by a point on the line and a unit vector in the direction of the line); can I determine if a given point is 'inside' the two lines, if I define one to be the left line and one to be the right?`
`17:46.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Industrial -- I think that you merely have to be nearby when the deed is done, to loot the object that spawns. Like for Araj, IIRC>`
`17:46.38`	`zenzelezz`	`think that's right; but you still need to find someone doing them :-p`
`17:46.43`	`Industrial`	`;)`
`17:47.15`	`Cide`	`nevermind, it's easy with angles`
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`17:54.38`	`kamdis`	`You can even loot the item if the opposing faction kills the Gronns.`
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`18:04.20`	`cogwheel`	`god people are idiots... we have one particular wine that we only made ~3000 bottles of... Our mailing list has ~8000 people on it... this guy hasn't ordered in 4 out of the past 5 releases and is pissed because he wasn't offered any :\|`
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`18:05.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Was he on the mailing list this time around? If no, that would be because he's not a consistent order-er. If yes, it's his own stupid fault, STFU.`
`18:05.05`	`Fin`	`whining for wine`
`18:05.12`	`Fin`	`d'oh`
`18:05.38`	`cogwheel`	`his one order last year was enough to keep him on the list so yeah... STFU imo`
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`18:06.37`	`zenzelezz`	`cogwheel: tell him that Limited Stock doesn't mean it's reserved for people with Limited Wits`
`18:07.10`	`cogwheel`	`or more to the point limited cash ;)`
`18:07.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`First come is first served, if he wanted a bottle he needed to actually get off his ass and hit the reply key?`
`18:07.52`	`cogwheel`	`well actually he needed to have ordered at least two cases every release over the past two years :P`
`18:08.10`	`cogwheel`	`to even be /considered/ for at most 2 bottles of this one wine`
`18:08.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Then he's a nooblet and needs to expand his cellar or stop whimpering.`
`18:08.46`	`cogwheel`	`but now he's in the top half of our lowest category possible`
`18:10.52`	`sysrage`	`cog sells wine?`
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`18:11.29`	`cogwheel`	`cog works at a winery, yes`
`18:11.36`	`sysrage`	`which one?`
`18:11.47`	`cogwheel`	`Kistler Vineyards`
`18:11.51`	`sysrage`	`cool`
`18:11.54`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.kistlerwine.com`
`18:12.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wine is fun, it's totally something unique.`
`18:12.41`	`sysrage`	`it's just so weird.. one type/vinyard can own, then the next year it's nasty`
`18:13.09`	`cogwheel`	`ours is never nasty`
`18:13.11`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`18:13.20`	`cogwheel`	`we sacrifice quantity (big time) for quality`
`18:13.45`	`cogwheel`	`lowest rating I've ever seen for one of our wines was 89 and that was before I worked here... usually they'r ein the 93-100 range`
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`18:14.05`	`cogwheel`	`(not that my working here had anything to do with the scores :P)`
`18:14.30`	`kamdis`	`Cog, do you live up there?`
`18:14.38`	`kamdis`	`my parents live up there`
`18:14.44`	`cogwheel`	`yeah`
`18:14.45`	`kamdis`	`in Bodega Bay`
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`18:14.52`	`cogwheel`	`cool :)`
`18:15.00`	`kd3`	`oh wow. that's an animation bug I haven't seen in a while... flying mount using the standing still animation`
`18:15.18`	`cncfanatics`	`so, cogwheel, if I ever need very good wine for whatever, you'll sell some to me ? :)`
`18:15.24`	`cncfanatics`	`kd3: happens often`
`18:15.32`	`cogwheel`	`cncfanatics: if you send me $$ sure =D`
`18:15.44`	`kd3`	`oh I know, I just haven't triggered it lately`
`18:15.50`	`cogwheel`	`Half price these things are $30/bottle and up`
`18:15.56`	`cncfanatics`	`:o`
`18:15.58`	`cncfanatics`	`intresting`
`18:16.04`	`cncfanatics`	`you accept paypal ?`
`18:17.07`	`cogwheel`	`personally, yes... which is where you'd be getting it from 'cause I get just as limited an allocation as everyone else ;)`
`18:18.12`	`cncfanatics`	`30$ and up for a bottle of wine seems very fine to me :)`
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`18:19.12`	`Lunessa`	`... station`
`18:21.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, Lunessa!`
`18:21.37`	`Lunessa`	`hugs`
`18:22.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thanks. Either it's hugs or a few obttles of cogwheel's famous wines... one is better for me than the other!`
`18:22.30`	`Lunessa`	`And both lead to the same thing... well, depending on the motives of the provider...`
`18:22.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Combining the two, there's the rub!`
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`18:23.00`	`Lunessa`	`... mmmm... rub`
`18:23.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`See? All these great ideas, just from a hug and a bottle of wine.`
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`18:30.26`	`Lunessa`	`Happiest of days Cairenn !`
`18:30.37`	`Cairenn`	`hi Lunessa :)`
`18:30.41`	`sysrage`	`saddest of nights`
`18:31.35`	`Lunessa`	`It is the Queen of WoWI's special day, no?`
`18:32.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Indeed.`
`18:32.25`	`sysrage`	`ooh`
`18:32.27`	`sysrage`	`happy bday`
`18:32.31`	`Lunessa`	`I'll spare you all my singing.`
`18:33.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`when I have a voice, I'm decent... I've just had this cold forever, I sound like Marge Simpson.`
`18:33.07`	`Cairenn`	`actually, Friday was :)`
`18:33.18`	`Cairenn`	`but thank you :)`
`18:33.41`	`kamdis`	`Happy belated birthday, Cairenn!`
`18:33.47`	`Cairenn`	`thanks kamdis :)`
`18:33.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Today is when we know, so today we roast you up, whee!!!`
`18:33.55`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`18:35.07`	`Lunessa`	`Well, ok. I'm way late, but the sentiment is still there.`
`18:35.13`	`Cairenn`	`;0`
`18:35.20`	`Cairenn`	`:) *`
`18:35.52`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't know about roasting, but I'm sure we could arrange something hot`
`18:36.41`	`Lunessa`	`see, now I'm thinking, "get video" but that's just not right.`
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`18:37.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No FRAPS at the party, kthxbai.`
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`18:38.06`	`Lunessa`	`FRAPS. Faps, you say tomato, I say tomato...`
`18:38.14`	`Cairenn`	`ROFL`
`18:38.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I say.... cheeze wiz!`
`18:39.01`	`Lunessa`	`Hey, my bloodsugar's low. I having to use low-energy jokes here.`
`18:39.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Eat breakfast, dear.`
`18:39.37`	`zenzelezz`	`save the energy for when it counts`
`18:39.42`	`Lunessa`	`I shall soon.`
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`18:40.47`	`zenzelezz`	`we're all just talking to you girls, we don't notice the rest of the people`
`18:41.12`	`zenzelezz`	`or maybe that's just me`
`18:41.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It may be true.`
`18:42.58`	`Lunessa`	`If anything I say can be interpreted as flirting or to have a racy meaning, that's the one I meant Peppy.`
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`18:44.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, okay. I can live with it.`
`18:48.25`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`A Belated Happy Birthday to you Cairenn`
`18:48.33`	`Cairenn`	`thanks Esamynn\|Work :)`
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`18:55.51`	`Lunessa`	`ciao tutti... must away for food and grooming.`
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`19:09.38`	`Fisker-`	`i faps'ed`
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`19:20.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`anyone know how to simulate OnClick in vb?`
`19:20.59`	`Bela\|work`	`hey Lopeppeppy, sorry about that thing in the forums. For the longest time I associated green with iriel`
`19:21.05`	`Bela\|work`	`so it was old habit`
`19:21.16`	`Bela\|work`	`hehe`
`19:21.19`	`*** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net \| 2.3.x ToC: 20300 \| "I'm pretty sure I have the most evil cat in the world" - Antiarc`
`19:21.24`	`Bela\|work`	`congrats on MVP btw`
`19:21.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's okay, it's flattering to be mistaken for Big Brother Dinosaur.`
`19:21.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And thanks!`
`19:21.32`	`zenzelezz`	`Thunder_Child: think you can just do ControlOrFormName_OnClick(...)`
`19:24.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`zenzelezz, i'll try it out`
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`19:32.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Huh, the UI Central download is back up`
`19:34.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hehe, weren't you the one who said (when the first keylogger there appeared), something like, "You guys would poke at liquid death if it let you get close enough"?`
`19:34.49`	`art3mis`	`Lopeppeppy: ever seen creepshow?`
`19:34.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Why yes, something quite similar, ScytheBlade1.`
`19:35.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`art3mis, nope.`
`19:35.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`zenzelezz, nope`
`19:35.13`	`art3mis`	`ya know that one with stephen king when the meteor crashes and he pokes at it with a stick?`
`19:35.26`	`art3mis`	`thats scythe and shirik ;P`
`19:35.27`	`Cide`	`liquid death sounds fun`
`19:35.35`	`Cide`	`where can I buy it?`
`19:35.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`wowui.incgamers.com`
`19:35.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`This program called "UI Central"`
`19:35.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Free!`
`19:35.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Usually in the hot sauces aisle too.`
`19:35.53`	`Cide`	`sweet.`
`19:35.58`	`art3mis`	`and cleaning supplies isle`
`19:36.07`	`art3mis`	`Ultra Draino should do the trick`
`19:37.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Pouring Draino onto a keylogger... will that clear the clog?`
`19:37.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Technically yes`
`19:37.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But you might have to have some water on hand, or you know, the fire department`
`19:37.52`	`art3mis`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr7kQGVsi2Y <-- Scytheblade`
`19:38.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Do I want to click that?`
`19:38.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's only Youtube.`
`19:38.51`	`art3mis`	`yeah its just the scene from creepshow i was talking about ;)`
`19:39.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`19:39.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It would be scary if Stephen King could act.`
`19:39.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`A haha`
`19:39.34`	`art3mis`	`whats that? i dunno but im gona poke it with a stick!`
`19:40.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And my fingers! Totally with my bare hands.`
`19:42.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, okay, that was oddly... accurate`
`19:42.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Seeing as I don't even use a VM, I just infect a computer that I actually play WoW on`
`19:43.06`	`art3mis`	`heh i do that too from time to time`
`19:43.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You guys are... one step from crazy looney toons.`
`19:43.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Away? Nah. Far past that.`
`19:43.56`	`Cairenn`	`ScytheBlade1: it's back up?`
`19:43.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And enjoying it.`
`19:44.00`	`Cairenn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:44.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: the UI Central installer is... looks clean though.`
`19:44.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm poking now`
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`19:44.58`	`Matrix110\|`	`NOES QUEUE`
`19:45.01`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, but still .... surprised they've got it back up this quickly .... you'd think it would have taken a bit longer than this to figure out where their security breach is and get it fixed for sure this time`
`19:45.14`	`Cairenn`	`since they obviously didn't actually get it fixed last time ...`
`19:45.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hence the post I just made.`
`19:45.24`	`Matrix110\|`	`Or just clumsy fixed :P`
`19:45.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881821845&postId=38813282501&sid=1#42`
`19:45.49`	`Cairenn`	`reading your post now`
`19:46.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The part that you'll care about is the last two lines, really`
`19:46.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Everything else is how and why it wasn't picked up my AV products, and how it 'worked'`
`19:47.12`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
`19:47.44`	`cladhaire`	`so my heels are all bloody`
`19:47.46`	`Cairenn`	`I'm not posting on either thread if at all possible, I don't like the "site competition/slandering" bullshit that has been spewed`
`19:47.50`	`Fin`	`can I ask`
`19:47.51`	`Cairenn`	`cladhaire: why?`
`19:47.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cladhaire: should get that fixed`
`19:47.57`	`Fin`	`has anyone done any kind of pen testing on wowui's servers?`
`19:48.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fin: I haven't, though, don't tempt me ;P`
`19:48.12`	`Matrix110\|`	`We had person in guild getting his Keylogged _4_ times :P He was to lazy to do smth against the Keylogger...`
`19:48.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I don't like breaking the law ;P`
`19:48.20`	`Fin`	`ScytheBlade1: I think I just did?`
`19:48.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`19:48.42`	`art3mis`	`cairenn: he put on his pumps backwards again today`
`19:48.48`	`cladhaire`	`Cairenn: my shoes apparently dig into my heel when I'm walking, or rowing`
`19:48.58`	`*** kick/#wowi-lounge [art3mis!n=cladhair@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (they were stilettos bitch)`
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`19:49.11`	`Cairenn`	`ROFL`
`19:49.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: I don't blame you in the least... and I'm just here for the cookies ;)`
`19:49.20`	`cladhaire`	`I'm done posting on/about incgamers`
`19:49.24`	`art3mis`	`i was gonna correct it but i couldnt be bothered smoochykins`
`19:49.35`	`cladhaire`	`after the PM conversation I had with the moderator that removed two of my comments, and left asteria's.`
`19:49.35`	`cladhaire`	`fuck them`
`19:49.38`	`cladhaire`	`plain and simple`
`19:49.42`	`cladhaire`	`IN THE GOATASS IMO`
`19:49.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`19:49.51`	`ckknight`	`not the goatass!`
`19:50.03`	`Fin`	`hey! this is great :) people to share my wowui rage with!`
`19:50.05`	`art3mis`	`the goat and ckk are in a realtionship!`
`19:50.09`	`Fin`	`or at least, watch`
`19:50.16`	`ckknight`	`art3mis: don't call Ellipsis a goat`
`19:50.19`	`Cairenn`	`I'm just pissed off that my warnings to the community are viewed as me trying to slander them`
`19:50.34`	`cladhaire`	`"The community didn't need warning"`
`19:50.37`	`Matrix110\|`	`i dont get HOW people can seriously visit a site that got affected ~10times by such crap :P`
`19:50.38`	`art3mis`	`if the billy goat gruffs.....`
`19:50.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: it happens. Conversely, they will die, not you.`
`19:50.40`	`cladhaire`	`and that my friend, is where we differ`
`19:50.42`	`Cairenn`	`it has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with protecting the community`
`19:51.00`	`cladhaire`	`thats what I said to them`
`19:51.01`	`cladhaire`	`over and over again`
`19:51.01`	`cladhaire`	`"`
`19:51.05`	`Cairenn`	`look at how I posted about US getting infected ...`
`19:51.10`	`Fin`	`I'm pissed off that they ignored me trying to get in touch with them for two years and the problems with my account, and then deleted my account without even an courtesy email to me when I got their attention`
`19:51.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, lol. Their main server has FTP open, and SSH firewalled off... a haha`
`19:51.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Backwards much?`
`19:51.34`	`Cairenn`	`anyway, whatever, I'm pissed off but trying to not get involved in a flame war`
`19:51.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You cannot besmirch someone's reputation if they are living a blameless life.`
`19:51.37`	`Fin`	`you have NO willpower, ScytheBlade1`
`19:51.39`	`cladhaire`	`"Whether you believe it or not, I'm here for the good of the community. I'm a moderator on WoW because I happen to visit the site frequently, and am able to help out when I can.. but I'm in this for me, my addons, and my users. I'm afraid I can't say the same for you, as evidenced by your actions"`
`19:51.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fin: none`
`19:51.49`	`Cairenn`	`ScytheBlade1: are you serious?`
`19:51.51`	`Fin`	`Cairenn: let the rage flow! set it free!`
`19:51.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`21/tcp open ftp`
`19:51.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`22/tcp filtered ssh`
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`19:52.04`	`ckknight`	`anyone want more lighthearted conversation?`
`19:52.05`	`Cairenn`	`o.m.g.`
`19:52.10`	`Cairenn`	`ckknight: sure`
`19:52.15`	`ckknight`	`I made a blog`
`19:52.16`	`ckknight`	`http://withoutreproach.blogspot.com/`
`19:52.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Uh-oh`
`19:52.21`	`ckknight`	`new post`
`19:52.29`	`ckknight`	`I think it's funny`
`19:52.37`	`Fin`	`ckknight: is that YOU?!`
`19:52.40`	`Fin`	`awesome`
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`19:52.41`	`ckknight`	`if you don't agree, it's possible you're an enemy insurgent`
`19:52.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`much reproach`
`19:52.47`	`ckknight`	`Fin: when I was 3`
`19:52.50`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`19:53.05`	`Matrix110\|`	`I actually thought you are a bit older ckknight :P`
`19:53.07`	`Fin`	`ckknight: noooo, the one below it :)`
`19:53.13`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`19:53.13`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`19:53.15`	`ckknight`	`I'm 20 now`
`19:53.20`	`art3mis`	`where did you get half a dog?`
`19:53.31`	`Fin`	`20 and eyebrowed up to the... eyebrows`
`19:53.34`	`ckknight`	`half a dog?`
`19:53.38`	`art3mis`	`the pic`
`19:53.44`	`art3mis`	`it looks like half a dog`
`19:53.48`	`art3mis`	`obviously the front half`
`19:53.51`	`ckknight`	`I don't see a dog`
`19:53.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`scroll down....`
`19:54.04`	`Fin`	`this is YOUR blog, right?`
`19:54.04`	`art3mis`	`its your friggin blog`
`19:54.07`	`ckknight`	`Fin: yes`
`19:54.10`	`Fin`	`heh`
`19:54.15`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`19:54.16`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`19:54.18`	`ckknight`	`that's my dogb`
`19:54.19`	`ckknight`	`dog*`
`19:54.19`	`Bela\|work`	`Christmas Dog`
`19:54.20`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`19:54.24`	`Matrix110\|`	`rofl`
`19:54.30`	`ckknight`	`I was looking at the top post, sorry`
`19:54.36`	`Fin`	`heheh`
`19:54.53`	`ckknight`	`yea, she's old`
`19:54.53`	`ckknight`	`13 now`
`19:54.58`	`ckknight`	`has a lifetime of 8-10`
`19:55.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, there's at least one piece of unpatched software on their servers that could have adverse security issues`
`19:55.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... make that two!`
`19:55.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fin: I hate you`
`19:55.46`	`art3mis`	`quick hakc it and add porn!`
`19:55.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`we all hate Fin`
`19:55.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wouldn't be that hard.`
`19:55.52`	`Fin`	`now you know they're going to send the lawyers after you`
`19:56.01`	`Fin`	`hack it and fix the bloody hole`
`19:56.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup wouldn't be hard`
`19:56.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Their name servers are using an old version of BIND that, well, okay, less technical details`
`19:56.35`	`Fin`	`my word Thunder_Child, I didn't think your stony heart was capable of expressing emotion`
`19:56.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's 100% possible to rewrite the IPs attached to their domains`
`19:56.44`	`Fin`	`what's the other hole?`
`19:56.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Old FTP server`
`19:56.51`	`Cairenn`	`geezus`
`19:56.55`	`Fin`	`lordy lummy loo`
`19:57.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Not even vsftp, but "proftpd"`
`19:57.11`	`art3mis`	`nice`
`19:57.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fin, even stones are porous`
`19:57.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Their FTP server is at least two years old`
`19:57.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`a little`
`19:57.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Good times.`
`19:57.23`	`Cairenn`	`this is sad`
`19:57.27`	`art3mis`	`heeh scythe`
`19:57.36`	`art3mis`	`make a swf.exe`
`19:57.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`19:57.42`	`art3mis`	`and replace the uiupdater with that`
`19:57.51`	`Fin`	`I have yet to use a stone to clean my dishes, Thunder_Child :)`
`19:58.00`	`art3mis`	`and just have it scream FIX THE HOLE!!!`
`19:58.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fin, give it a try, people use them to clean themselfs`
`19:58.55`	`art3mis`	`themselves`
`19:59.17`	`Fin`	`see - listen now! - when I had my problems with wowui, and I started posting in the shoutbox anonymously because my account was fucked and they were ignoring me - ignoring me! - they deleted my account; so! my prediction is that they'll disable FTP and sue you`
`19:59.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`art3mis, thats a losing battle`
`19:59.46`	`art3mis`	`Thunder_Child: its the intratubes, all battles are losing battles ;)`
`19:59.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Their mail server is dated 3/22/06`
`20:00.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Annnnnd it's sendmail.`
`20:00.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Swiss cheese!`
`20:00.31`	`Matrix110\|`	`what are their admins doing Oo?`
`20:00.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nothing, it would seem`
`20:00.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nothing at all`
`20:00.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`FRAPS movies?`
`20:00.51`	`Matrix110\|`	`if they do nothing then they should atleast get a a managed server they are atleast a bit more uptodate`
`20:00.53`	`Fin`	`Matrix110\|: deleting accounts!`
`20:01.31`	`Fin`	`oh yes!`
`20:01.51`	`cladhaire`	`ScytheBlade1: wow.. this is absurd`
`20:01.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I really, really really hate editing my emails to my coworkers 12 times before pressing send. Interoffice politics suck hugely.`
`20:02.00`	`cladhaire`	`they could install stock redhat from a year ago and be better off :P`
`20:02.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cladhaire: ding ding ding!`
`20:02.52`	`cladhaire`	`or gasp centos, since many NOCs won't install much else :P`
`20:03.25`	`Cairenn`	`nothing illegal guys ... if you're going to, don't talk about it in here .... (no, I know you aren't and won't, and that I have nothing to worry about, but saying it for propriety's sake)`
`20:03.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: it's all publically available info`
`20:03.39`	`Bela\|work`	`you beat me to it`
`20:03.47`	`Bela\|work`	`I was gonna mention "plausible deniability"`
`20:03.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hehe`
`20:04.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Blame him ;P`
`20:04.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Er`
`20:04.27`	`Cairenn`	`I'm acknowledging that you guys won't, but still need to say it, I know you understand`
`20:04.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`PHP/5.2.4_p20070914-pl2-gentoo`
`20:04.44`	`Bela\|work`	`be gentle`
`20:04.52`	`Bela\|work`	`its probably a machine in someone's basement`
`20:04.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:05.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Except that it isn't :(`
`20:05.02`	`cladhaire`	`who in the hell runs gentoo`
`20:05.07`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`20:05.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cladhaire: as a server or desktop? ;P`
`20:05.19`	`Bela\|work`	`now you know someone that does! HAH`
`20:05.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:05.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"he PHP development team would like to announce the immediate availability of PHP 5.2.5. This release focuses on improving the stability of the PHP 5.2.x branch with over 60 bug fixes, several of which are security related."`
`20:06.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And they're running 5.2.4`
`20:06.38`	`Bela\|work`	`thats not a huge slap though. I am sure a lot of hosting companies don't stay on top of php updates`
`20:06.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh, I'd agree`
`20:06.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But they should`
`20:06.50`	`Bela\|work`	`noting, that they should of course`
`20:07.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can't tell if the version that they're running a a dev version of 5.2.4 or 5.2.5`
`20:07.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Regardless... when I can point out four problems in a few minuets, you've got problems`
`20:08.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: permission to poke at wowi? ;)`
`20:08.26`	`Cairenn`	`dolby-wowi: permission for ScytheBlade1 to poke at wowi?`
`20:08.34`	`Fin`	`you hate away mate, just keep pasting stuff in here :)`
`20:08.37`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`20:08.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Liquid death, I tell ya. Liquid death.`
`20:09.12`	`dolby-wowi`	`sure, please pm me anything you find. if the firewall bans your ip let me know`
`20:09.13`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge sioraiocht (n=rtharper@nat-router-1.stannes.ox.ac.uk)`
`20:09.16`	`Fin`	`wow that version of Sendmail really is old`
`20:09.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`dolby-wowi: will do`
`20:09.27`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`20:09.34`	`Fin`	`Sendmail doesn't exactly have a history of uhm, being free of holes`
`20:09.43`	`art3mis`	`you're crazy`
`20:09.56`	`Cairenn`	`I have been IPBanned by the server firewall before ;)`
`20:10.01`	`dolby-wowi`	`although we wont have that server much longeer`
`20:10.11`	`art3mis`	`sendmail and bind are impervious to all hacking and are 100% hacker proof!`
`20:10.18`	`Fin`	`yes`
`20:10.28`	`zenzelezz`	`Cairenn: that's just because you're too hot for them to handle`
`20:10.31`	`Fin`	`so, that can't be it then`
`20:10.34`	`Cairenn`	`weg`
`20:11.09`	`Fin`	`dolby-wowi: mind if I poke as well?`
`20:11.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm not overly worried about being IP banned. I've got this server, and it's got three IPs + my home IP`
`20:11.29`	`dolby-wowi`	`sure, again please pm me anything you may find`
`20:11.34`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Taurmindo (i=taurmind@c-8590e355.010-67-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`20:11.48`	`Taurmindo`	`not sure if this counts as ui question:`
`20:11.49`	`Taurmindo`	`i know GetRaidTargetIndex gives what raidmark e.g. target has, but can i go the other way, e.g. targetting the mob having a specific raidmark with a macro? (like /target raidmark(cross) or similar?)`
`20:11.53`	`dolby-wowi`	`well i dont want to ban you so just let me know and I'll unabn ya`
`20:12.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hehe, okay`
`20:12.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thanks`
`20:12.10`	`art3mis`	`no you do want to ban him`
`20:12.18`	`dolby-wowi`	`lol`
`20:12.19`	`bleeter`	`matter of curiosity, did clamav pick up the wowui foo?`
`20:12.20`	`art3mis`	`and then ignore him when he talks about his banned account`
`20:12.20`	`zenzelezz`	`Taurmindo: don't think you can, no`
`20:12.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Taurmindo -- no, you cannot target by raid icon.`
`20:12.35`	`art3mis`	`and then occasioanlly poke fun at him and post links to banned server to make him jealous`
`20:12.59`	`Cairenn`	`bleeter: it had the first time, it was one of two`
`20:13.11`	`art3mis`	`and on thursdays you want to call his mum and tell her that he's been arrested at the local 7-11 shoplifting`
`20:13.23`	`Cairenn`	`AntiVir was the only other one that did, originally`
`20:13.29`	`art3mis`	`thats because grapes is a bad word ;P`
`20:13.35`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ralfWORK (n=jwalker@flynn.smearcampaign.org)`
`20:15.09`	`Taurmindo`	`ah, damn.`
`20:15.17`	`Taurmindo`	`would've made poly/shackle/mc macros soo much easier.`
`20:15.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`A bit too much easier, Taurmindo. gentle shrug Focus is your friend!`
`20:15.59`	`ralfWORK`	`would be nice to have a macro that you can automatically assist say MT1`
`20:17.04`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge alext (i=v@noc.salisbury.edu)`
`20:17.08`	`bleeter`	`Cairenn: good-o, I don't have to ask for the file to be sent to me for testing then ;)`
`20:17.16`	`zenzelezz`	`what peppy said, get to know and love focus`
`20:17.29`	`sysrage`	`can't get any easier than my poly macro`
`20:17.32`	`sysrage`	`focus targets FTW`
`20:17.35`	`bleeter`	`btw, has someone pointed the Blizz security team at that thread/info yet?`
`20:17.41`	`Cide`	`ralfWORK: you could with an addon`
`20:17.45`	`Cairenn`	`yup, last time round`
`20:17.48`	`ralfWORK`	`Cide: oh ya?`
`20:17.52`	`Cide`	`yes`
`20:17.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I mailed hacks@ with a link to the bad files last time`
`20:18.10`	`ralfWORK`	`one of these days I should learn how to write addons :P`
`20:18.12`	`bleeter`	`oh, sorry, must be my early morning brain... this is the same trojan as last time???!!`
`20:18.12`	`Cairenn`	`I put it right into their hands`
`20:18.17`	`Cairenn`	`yes`
`20:19.00`	`Taurmindo`	`Lopeppeppy: yea, but a combination of auto-focusing the moonmarked and auto-onfocusing if it's un-moonmarked, and sheeping if it's focused and mooned.. would made me not even have to look at it. ;)`
`20:19.06`	`bleeter`	`if IRC were RTF, there'd be a 128 point /facepalm about now`
`20:19.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: sure is! Well, with a few small changes. But, the core of it is the same. Delivery method changed, and the service doesn't exist anymore`
`20:19.27`	`zenzelezz`	`Taurmindo: Blizzard didn't want the game to play itself for you`
`20:19.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: you should read up, Fin provoked me into poking at their servers... some good stuff`
`20:19.35`	`Cide`	`Taurmindo: exactly what the designers don't want`
`20:19.44`	`ralfWORK`	`I've been thinking about writing an addon that flashes a warning when my mana is 3k down`
`20:19.49`	`bleeter`	`ScytheBlade1: up as in backlog? if so, how many hours ago roughly?`
`20:19.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: less than an hour, /lastlog is your friend`
`20:20.48`	`Cairenn`	`(2:47:56 PM) Fin: has anyone done any kind of pen testing on wowui's servers?`
`20:20.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's all it took to provoke me. :(`
`20:21.07`	`Cairenn`	`and it's currently 3:20pm my time`
`20:21.14`	`Cairenn`	`so there's your time stamp to go looking`
`20:21.39`	`Cairenn`	`but yes, it's the same trojan`
`20:24.12`	`Cairenn`	`and, if you go to their download site for it, scroll down to comments, go to page 2, then back to page 1 - you see where they were told they still had it as of Dec 31, 5 Jan, 9 Jan, 11 Jan`
`20:25.21`	`Cairenn`	`and the thread on 10 Jan`
`20:25.34`	`Cairenn`	`sad`
`20:25.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's the reason why they'll slowly just kill themselves.`
`20:26.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`which is fine, the problem is that they will be taking others down with them`
`20:26.41`	`Cairenn`	`and the first time round - they had been getting reports of it as far back as Oct, that I can find for sure, possibly earlier than that`
`20:26.43`	`bleeter`	`<@cladhaire> who in the hell runs gentoo << 99% of the time, idiots and morons`
`20:27.06`	`Cairenn`	`yet it wasn't until it got discovered in the UI forum that people became aware of it`
`20:27.43`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge sioraiocht_ (n=rtharper@client0192.vpn.ox.ac.uk)`
`20:28.34`	`Xinhuan`	`does a priest's "Force of Will" talent increase healing? since "spell damage" is generic enough to include healing`
`20:28.42`	`cladhaire`	`aye :P`
`20:28.55`	`Xinhuan`	`are you a priest? :O`
`20:29.10`	`art3mis`	`roman catholic ;P`
`20:29.12`	`Xinhuan`	`or was that not a reply meant for me heh`
`20:29.52`	`cladhaire`	`oh haha`
`20:29.53`	`cladhaire`	`i am a priest`
`20:29.56`	`cladhaire`	`and no, i don't believe it does.`
`20:29.57`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`20:30.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:30.21`	`art3mis`	`boobies yay \o/ http://www.lazydragon.com/con/images/save_the_boobies02.jpg sfw`
`20:30.27`	`cladhaire`	`my net connection is fubar'd`
`20:30.31`	`cladhaire`	`packets never die, and take forever to arrive`
`20:31.09`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm right`
`20:31.33`	`ralfWORK`	`packets never die; they multiply`
`20:31.36`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge malikeye\|work (n=malikeye@152.16.189.16)`
`20:31.47`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I demand that I be shot if I ever agree to make a UI for someone again.`
`20:31.50`	`art3mis`	`ralfWORK: the principle behind teardrop ;P`
`20:31.58`	`ralfWORK`	`hahahaah`
`20:32.13`	`bleeter`	`Lopeppeppy: gotta be quicker than that these days`
`20:32.22`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I'm way too set in how I like things to be doing this shit. lol`
`20:32.33`	`art3mis`	`it took her too lon to get to the 3rd floor ;P`
`20:33.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was in the shower, guys, give a girl a break.`
`20:33.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Remember, http://www.lazydragon.com/con/images/save_the_boobies02.jpg !`
`20:33.26`	`sysrage`	`ss or it didn't happen`
`20:33.31`	`bleeter`	`yes`
`20:33.33`	`bleeter`	`i also demand ss`
`20:33.53`	`bleeter`	`and a different one to the one yer gunna show sysrage, Lopeppeppy, just to prove no digial photoshop madness`
`20:33.58`	`bleeter`	`digital`
`20:34.00`	`Xinhuan`	`ok cladhaire, i found the answer on priest forums page 3 - " Only increases spell damage, not healing."`
`20:34.18`	`sysrage`	`lol clad already told you that`
`20:34.25`	`cladhaire`	`i wasn't sure`
`20:34.27`	`cladhaire`	`now we both know :P`
`20:34.29`	`Xinhuan`	`oh well, 2 sources > 1 hehe`
`20:34.37`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm left thinking that picture must be Lope`
`20:34.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yuh-nope.`
`20:34.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Let me find a fuzzy bunny for ya.`
`20:34.59`	`Xinhuan`	`the other question i wanted to ask was whether Survival Instincts hunter talent - increases both Ap and RAP?`
`20:35.15`	`art3mis`	`why would it increase rape?`
`20:35.30`	`art3mis`	`i mean sure hes all along in the woods but thats still not a justification`
`20:35.41`	`ralfWORK`	`dunno seems reasonable to me`
`20:35.46`	`art3mis`	`along=alone`
`20:36.02`	`ralfWORK`	`bigger problem with a survival hunter is the pet`
`20:36.10`	`art3mis`	`it gets jealous?`
`20:36.19`	`Bela\|work`	`back later, got some driving to do`
`20:36.21`	`ralfWORK`	`when a man and a beast are alone...`
`20:36.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Here's your Peppy Picture, guys. http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/HotTS_photos/thbabybun.jpg No digital anything, just all the time cute.`
`20:36.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Pfft`
`20:36.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Weak`
`20:37.01`	`ralfWORK`	`WOAH YOU ARE A BUNNY OMG`
`20:37.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I said it was a baby bunny, what more do you want? Nethersprite?`
`20:37.53`	`ralfWORK`	`ok this stupid database is taking too long to upload`
`20:37.55`	`ralfWORK`	`:(`
`20:38.10`	`art3mis`	`http://www.animalintelligence.org/images/bunnytongue.jpg`
`20:38.57`	`Cairenn`	`cute`
`20:39.05`	`art3mis`	`i was hoping that fuzzy bunny was a euphemism`
`20:39.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:39.12`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`20:39.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`All I really need is a fuzzy bunny flipping the whole world off, and then I'm set.`
`20:39.33`	`art3mis`	`google says it is ;P`
`20:39.34`	`ralfWORK`	`wait litterally, or is that a euphemism too?`
`20:39.36`	`bleeter`	`Lopeppeppy: there's no way known that that bunny had just got out of the shower`
`20:40.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Rabbit fur doesn't hold water, bleeter. Dur.`
`20:40.57`	`art3mis`	`Lopeppeppy: how about a buzzy bunny giving the finger? http://www.passiononline.co.uk/shop/images/buzz-bunny-finger.jpg`
`20:40.57`	`ralfWORK`	`the bunnies I know hold water :P`
`20:41.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Forgot the NSFW tag, art3mis!`
`20:41.27`	`ralfWORK`	`dammit warn me when it's NSFW`
`20:41.27`	`bleeter`	`Lopeppeppy: I infer that you've drowned bunnies to test this theory. You're sickening!`
`20:41.29`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`20:41.30`	`art3mis`	`its safe`
`20:41.41`	`art3mis`	`unless novelty toys are discriminated against ;P`
`20:41.42`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm pretty sure peppy could be a bunny, she just doesn't want to pose for such magazines`
`20:41.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Maybe for where You work, art3mis!`
`20:41.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:41.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's debatable`
`20:41.53`	`ralfWORK`	`hahaha`
`20:42.04`	`art3mis`	`Lopeppeppy: you dont wanna see whats safe where I work`
`20:42.28`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm thinking art3mis works for passiononline.co.uk`
`20:42.37`	`ralfWORK`	`and that was a shameless plug`
`20:42.40`	`art3mis`	`nah private contractor ;P`
`20:42.55`	`Cairenn`	`art3mis: the joys of being self-employed, hey?`
`20:43.11`	`art3mis`	`i havent changed from my comfy sweat pants all day!`
`20:43.22`	`ralfWORK`	`if I worked from home`
`20:43.31`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm surprised you're wearing clothes at all`
`20:43.46`	`ralfWORK`	`I sure wouldn't`
`20:43.47`	`art3mis`	`i have a leather chair`
`20:43.59`	`ralfWORK`	`ahhh ok`
`20:44.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I work from home Monday and Friday. Trust me, if I don't do the whole morning-routine, I never would get anything done. So it's dress, breakfast, the whole works.`
`20:44.26`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`20:44.26`	`malreth`	`http://i5.tinypic.com/72qzejs.jpg`
`20:44.37`	`malreth`	`that bunny pick had to be macroed`
`20:44.37`	`ralfWORK`	`when I've worked from home, I had the same problem`
`20:44.46`	`malreth`	`s/pick/pic/`
`20:44.49`	`ralfWORK`	`I was just content not getting anything done :D`
`20:45.07`	`art3mis`	`thats the reason i have an office to go to once in a while`
`20:45.16`	`art3mis`	`too many gadgets at home`
`20:45.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My baby bunny picture, malreth? No, I had to upload it before I posted it, and everything.`
`20:45.42`	`malreth`	`Lopeppeppy: no, the other one of the bunny sticking its tongue out`
`20:45.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I have better gadgets at home than at work, sadly... I have to do some of my hardest work at home because they won't give me Photoshop at work.`
`20:46.04`	`bleeter`	`stab them`
`20:46.43`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`wait, you need Photoshop to do your job, but they won't give it to you?`
`20:47.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No. I'm a contractor, Esamynn!`
`20:47.05`	`bleeter`	`ok, if no one else is gunna say it....`
`20:47.12`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`ahh`
`20:47.14`	`ralfWORK`	`oh, neat`
`20:47.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bad bleeter. No cookies.`
`20:47.28`	`ralfWORK`	`so do MVPs work for blizz?`
`20:47.36`	`bleeter`	`timtam > cookies, and I have the timtam pack mwhahahahhaaha`
`20:47.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nope, we slave for Blizz! grin`
`20:47.44`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`ralfWORK: no`
`20:47.48`	`ralfWORK`	`hahaha`
`20:48.08`	`ralfWORK`	`oh no moderation powers even`
`20:48.31`	`bleeter`	`i had the most orgasmic thought last night, rhubarb and apple pie, with thick king island cream, and timtam... yummo. i wonder what Wobwork would think.`
`20:48.43`	`ralfWORK`	`uhm...`
`20:48.45`	`ralfWORK`	`k`
`20:48.53`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`ralfWORK: best you don't question`
`20:49.04`	`cladhaire`	`bleeter: all together?`
`20:49.07`	`cladhaire`	`sounds amazing.`
`20:49.14`	`ralfWORK`	`Esamynn\|Work: yea, I'm thinking I'll let that one ride`
`20:49.22`	`bleeter`	`well, no... pie under the cream, timtam on top`
`20:49.41`	`bleeter`	`all together is what I plan to do with it in my stomach, but no not during presentation`
`20:50.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I like to nibble bites around the edges, I could never finish a whole dessert creation like that.`
`20:51.19`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/donttazeme128419682591177500.jpg`
`20:51.33`	`\|Jelly\|`	`...I've not been keeping up with them`
`20:51.37`	`ralfWORK`	`ya that one is old`
`20:51.39`	`ralfWORK`	`but god it's funny`
`20:51.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Awwww.... a seal without a bukkit!`
`20:51.44`	`\|Jelly\|`	`YOUR FACE IS OLD!`
`20:51.50`	`ralfWORK`	`NO U`
`20:51.57`	`bleeter`	`cladhaire: you had cornish cream yet in them UK? king island cream is similar, but ... better`
`20:52.00`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~gag \|Jelly\|`
`20:52.01`	`purl`	`ACTION takes away the voice of \|Jelly\| and, as an additional precaution, sews \|Jelly\|'s mouth shut permanently...`
`20:52.03`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~gag ralfWORK`
`20:52.04`	`purl`	`ACTION takes away the voice of ralfWORK and, as an additional precaution, sews ralfWORK's mouth shut permanently...`
`20:52.05`	`cladhaire`	`of course I have :P`
`20:52.13`	`cladhaire`	`and mmm`
`20:52.18`	`ralfWORK`	`sniffle`
`20:52.23`	`art3mis`	`http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1`
`20:52.36`	`ralfWORK`	`you know I should really join that project`
`20:52.38`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`I'm afraid to click that link`
`20:52.54`	`art3mis`	`dooo eeeet`
`20:52.54`	`ralfWORK`	`probably the only way I'll ever read the bible`
`20:52.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`27 So Ceiling Cat createded teh peeps taht waz like him, can has can openers he maed tehm, min An womin wuz maeded, but he did not eated tehm.`
`20:52.59`	`ralfWORK`	`Esamynn\|Work: it's safe`
`20:53.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`l o l`
`20:53.06`	`ralfWORK`	`HAHAHAHAHAH`
`20:53.12`	`ralfWORK`	`yes it's pure brilliance`
`20:53.52`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`some people have WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much time on their hands`
`20:54.00`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`s/to/too/`
`20:54.12`	`ralfWORK`	`lol neat`
`20:54.38`	`ralfWORK`	`s/p.+/people/`
`20:54.50`	`ralfWORK`	`guess I'm not awesome enough`
`20:55.05`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`it only works for the last thing YOU said`
`20:55.15`	`batrick`	`no u`
`20:55.47`	`ralfWORK`	`s/n.t//`
`20:56.02`	`ralfWORK`	`s/not//`
`20:56.13`	`batrick`	`think purl only does raw string matches`
`20:56.19`	`ralfWORK`	`kk, yea that's what I was testing`
`20:58.48`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com)`
`21:00.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`"(12:54:03) (+Esamynn\|Work) some people have WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much time on their hands" yes, you`
`21:00.39`	`ralfWORK`	`NO U`
`21:00.43`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~poke Thunder_Child`
`21:00.44`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Thunder_Child, pokes Thunder_Child repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`21:00.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`true`
`21:00.52`	`malreth`	`What a waist.`
`21:01.07`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~bzfrag malreth`
`21:01.08`	`purl`	`ACTION squishes malreth with a steamroller`
`21:01.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`waste?`
`21:01.23`	`malreth`	`~jump Esamynn\|Work`
`21:01.23`	`purl`	`ACTION scrambles up the nearest tree, screams, then leaps feet first on top of Esamynn\|Work`
`21:01.43`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge CrazyMYKL (n=rumors@69.37.84.230)`
`21:01.43`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~whaleslap malreth`
`21:01.44`	`purl`	`ACTION beats malreth upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`21:02.12`	`malreth`	`no. i refuse to be a part of this whale abuse escalation game.`
`21:02.39`	`End`	`~whalenuke malreth`
`21:02.40`	`purl`	`ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around malreth with his mind powers.`
`21:02.41`	`malreth`	`someone think of the cetaceans`
`21:02.46`	`End`	`too late`
`21:02.57`	`malreth`	`~whaleshield`
`21:02.57`	`purl`	`ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield malreth from the blast.`
`21:03.05`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~lart End`
`21:03.05`	`purl`	`steals End's mojo`
`21:03.10`	`End`	`noooo!`
`21:03.12`	`End`	`my mojo!`
`21:03.20`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~botsnack`
`21:03.20`	`purl`	`Esamynn\|Work: aw, gee`
`21:09.28`	`Lunessa`	`I has returned. You can has lamentations and gnashing of teeth naow.`
`21:13.13`	`malreth`	`s/wagon/sled/`
`21:13.21`	`malreth`	`~fail me`
`21:13.21`	`purl`	`malreth: Fail.`
`21:13.54`	`Lunessa`	`~fail Thunder_Child`
`21:13.54`	`purl`	`Thunder_Child: Fail.`
`21:14.03`	`Lunessa`	`I was thinking of SEX`
`21:14.08`	`sysrage`	`sex with rosebuds?`
`21:14.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`beer!`
`21:15.00`	`Lunessa`	`I expect that on my death bed, I;ll be asking the nurses for a 'quickie' before I shuffle off this mortal coil.`
`21:15.13`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge dylanm (n=dylanm@c-68-43-122-217.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`21:16.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`the quicke would prolly kill you`
`21:16.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`quickie*`
`21:16.34`	`malreth`	`hopefully it kills you after and not before the orgasm`
`21:16.34`	`Lunessa`	`What a way to go...`
`21:16.43`	`malreth`	`or else in heaven, you'll be really really really tense`
`21:16.55`	`Lunessa`	`And I wouldn't enjoy it at all?`
`21:17.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lunessa...heaven.....boggles the mind`
`21:17.25`	`Lunessa`	`Oh, they're not letting /me/ in.`
`21:24.26`	`malreth`	`EXCELLENT punchline at the end of this blog posting: http://www.yourvideostoreshelf.com/index.php/20080114/filmmaker-suing-me-over-bad-review/`
`21:24.48`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower)`
`21:24.48`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ`
`21:26.12`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Nengaro (n=Nengaro@host81-129-36-42.range81-129.btcentralplus.com)`
`21:26.58`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge leethal (n=leethal@cm-84.215.168.253.getinternet.no)`
`21:27.18`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Shirik (n=shirik@conspiracy/developer/Shirik)`
`21:27.18`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Shirik] by ChanServ`
`21:27.56`	`Shirik`	`hrm`
`21:28.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: because it hates you`
`21:28.19`	`bleeter`	`ScytheBlade1: oddly enough, I thought the same thing`
`21:28.22`	`bleeter`	`so it must be true`
`21:28.25`	`Shirik`	`Well I did leave it home alone all day =(`
`21:28.30`	`bleeter`	`qed`
`21:28.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: see? even bleeter agrees. It hates you.`
`21:29.52`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower\|AFK (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower)`
`21:29.52`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v MentalPower\|AFK] by ChanServ`
`21:29.57`	`ralfWORK`	`what's this sex with beer business?`
`21:30.08`	`Lunessa`	`... there's another kind?`
`21:30.20`	`ralfWORK`	`I didn't think so, that's why I wanted to check`
`21:30.30`	`sysrage`	`is there something other than ItemStats now? Or is everybody hoping it just never totally breaks since the author abandoned it?`
`21:31.11`	`Lunessa`	`Ummm... I don't use it anymore. The stuff built into the character pannel is all I need/`
`21:31.12`	`zenzelezz`	`what's ItemStats?`
`21:31.23`	`sysrage`	`mod for forums to link items`
`21:32.20`	`ralfWORK`	`I thought it was that mod that helps do the math on gear comparisons`
`21:32.47`	`ralfWORK`	`nm, I've never used it so I dunno anything about it`
`21:33.07`	`Lunessa`	`Get RatingsBuster - far more useful tool.`
`21:33.14`	`ralfWORK`	`oh that's what it's called`
`21:33.15`	`ralfWORK`	`my bad`
`21:34.01`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm a priest`
`21:34.04`	`Lunessa`	`Hah... IRC on one box, WoW on another. It doesn't get much geekier than this.`
`21:34.07`	`ralfWORK`	`my numbers are pretty easy :P`
`21:34.13`	`Lunessa`	`All the ladies are going to want me now.`
`21:34.30`	`ralfWORK`	`hey forget ladies; I think I might want you now too :(`
`21:34.45`	`Lunessa`	`Well, if you look ok in a dres...`
`21:34.53`	`ralfWORK`	`guess I can find out!`
`21:35.11`	`End`	`Lunessa: I already do that ;-P`
`21:35.37`	`Lunessa`	`Wear a dress?`
`21:35.45`	`End`	`no, although I could try that`
`21:35.59`	`End`	`I already do IRC on one box, WoW on another though`
`21:36.16`	`Shirik`	`what kind of self-appeciating geek uses two boxes`
`21:36.27`	`End`	`well, I don't have room for more`
`21:36.30`	`Lunessa`	`I have 4 machines in this room... I think I'm going a bit overboard.`
`21:36.33`	`Shirik`	`You should be seamlessly tasking between IRC and WoW`
`21:36.39`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`21:36.43`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower\|Gone (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower)`
`21:36.43`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v MentalPower\|Gone] by ChanServ`
`21:36.46`	`ralfWORK`	`I wish my laptop still worked`
`21:36.47`	`End`	`synergy?`
`21:36.52`	`ralfWORK`	`cause I used to do that`
`21:36.56`	`ralfWORK`	`chat on the laptop`
`21:37.01`	`ralfWORK`	`wow fullscreen on desktop`
`21:37.12`	`ralfWORK`	`made looking up strategies really easy :P`
`21:37.20`	`End`	`I used to use have a dual monitor setup, but now I have a laptop and a desktop, linked together with synergy`
`21:37.43`	`End`	`(synergy lets you share keyboard and mouse between multiple machines)`
`21:37.54`	`Shirik`	`Oh`
`21:37.58`	`ralfWORK`	`now I'm forced to not use wow in fullscreen mode :(`
`21:38.04`	`Shirik`	`I thought it was just your mental power multitasking`
`21:38.28`	`Lunessa`	`I don't have enough monitors.`
`21:38.35`	`ralfWORK`	`I need a larger monitor`
`21:38.38`	`Shirik`	`Me too`
`21:38.38`	`ralfWORK`	`got a 17" lcd`
`21:38.42`	`Shirik`	`I have a 23"`
`21:38.47`	`Shirik`	`Totally need to pull it up to 30`
`21:38.49`	`ralfWORK`	`they are so cheap, I really need to get a larger one :P`
`21:38.53`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`21:38.56`	`ralfWORK`	`I dunno about that big`
`21:38.57`	`MentalPower\|Gone`	`~lart Shirik`
`21:38.57`	`purl`	`urinates on Shirik`
`21:39.01`	`ralfWORK`	`wife has a 21" imac`
`21:39.01`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`21:39.05`	`ralfWORK`	`and it's pretty frickin smooth`
`21:39.07`	`zenzelezz`	`I like my setup at the moment... main computer with 24" widescreen + 17" normal LCD, IRC computer with an old 15" LCD`
`21:39.11`	`Lunessa`	`I'm using a 19" widescreen on my main box, but need MOAR!!`
`21:39.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got a 21.1" and a 19.1", both widescreen, and then a standard 19" 4:3`
`21:39.33`	`ralfWORK`	`yea, I'd like widescreen`
`21:39.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have 2 22" wides`
`21:40.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`and i would have more if i had the room`
`21:40.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`and more than one copm to`
`21:40.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`comp*`
`21:40.27`	`cogwheel`	`wtb a firefox addon to turn off blizz's link interceptor`
`21:40.27`	`ralfWORK`	`I can stay away from dual headed setups`
`21:40.33`	`ralfWORK`	`lol`
`21:40.40`	`ralfWORK`	`can't you do that with uhm...`
`21:40.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cogwheel: ctrl+click`
`21:40.59`	`cogwheel`	`ScytheBlade1: nope`
`21:41.08`	`zenzelezz`	`open in new tab?`
`21:41.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cogwheel: as long as you have ctrl+click configured to open a new tab, it'll work`
`21:41.19`	`cogwheel`	`or not...`
`21:41.20`	`Cide`	`right-click -> open in new tab works`
`21:41.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Huh. Works that way here.`
`21:41.27`	`ralfWORK`	`not on mine :P`
`21:41.34`	`Cide`	`but ctrl-click doesn't`
`21:41.36`	`ralfWORK`	`then again, I'm using safari lately`
`21:41.38`	`Cide`	`it only intercepts left-clicks`
`21:41.40`	`Lunessa`	`Works for me...`
`21:41.44`	`ralfWORK`	`because ff is a bloated piece of trash`
`21:41.55`	`Cide`	`^ opinion`
`21:41.57`	`cogwheel`	`right-click open in new tab and ctrl-left both open in a new tab with the interceptor`
`21:42.09`	`Cide`	`cogwheel: did you try on the same link?`
`21:42.13`	`cogwheel`	`yep`
`21:42.15`	`Cide`	`don't`
`21:42.19`	`Lunessa`	`cached results ftl`
`21:42.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got my middle mouse configured to open links in a new tab`
`21:42.23`	`ralfWORK`	`ohhh`
`21:42.27`	`Cide`	`right-click -> open in a new tab on a link you haven't clicked`
`21:42.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I just clicked your sig, cog, and it opened less link redirector`
`21:42.31`	`cogwheel`	`middle mouse too...`
`21:42.37`	`ralfWORK`	`1 button mouse ftl`
`21:42.48`	`bleeter`	`Cairenn: do you know if anyone's reported this trojan foo to cve.mitre.org? I'd hazard a guess why the major AV companies aren't picking it up is because no one's reported it in a 'major' way`
`21:42.53`	`Lunessa`	`non-trackball ftl`
`21:42.53`	`cogwheel`	`Lunessa wins`
`21:42.57`	`cogwheel`	`cached results 4tl`
`21:43.12`	`Cide`	`hey, I win`
`21:43.20`	`Cide`	`it's not firefox's cache I don't think`
`21:43.20`	`cogwheel`	`oh yeah`
`21:43.21`	`Shirik`	`Why would CVE want it? It's not really a vulnerability`
`21:43.23`	`Lunessa`	`<-- brain full of semi-useful trivata`
`21:43.33`	`Cide`	`I think the interceptor just changes the href tag on the link on-click`
`21:43.41`	`bleeter`	`Shirik: true... well... somewhere then! :P`
`21:43.41`	`Shirik`	`Or does the CVE list track viral programs too, even if they don't really "break in"`
`21:43.45`	`End`	`it's a user vulnerability!`
`21:43.46`	`Cide`	`which would apply to right-click for subsequent clicks`
`21:43.46`	`End`	`:P`
`21:43.58`	`End`	`users have a lot of security holes ;p`
`21:44.04`	`Shirik`	`But my understanding is that CVE tracked actual break-ins ("vulnerabilities" as the acronym suggests)`
`21:44.09`	`Cide`	`but I haven't looked in the code to determine whether or not my theory is correct :P`
`21:44.12`	`Lunessa`	`Users are a security hole.`
`21:44.16`	`Shirik`	`But I am curious if anyone's submitted it to viral companies`
`21:44.22`	`Shirik`	`s/viral/antiviral/`
`21:44.48`	`End`	`Cide: I think the href is the link, but the onclick is modified to make it go somewhere else`
`21:44.58`	`Shirik`	`headed home now take care`
`21:44.58`	`End`	`somewhere else, being the interceptor`
`21:45.17`	`Cide`	`End: no; because left-clicking and then right-clicking makes the right-click go to the interceptor, whereas only right-clicking takes you to the link`
`21:45.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I uploaded them to the site that was linked in here, which scans them with pretty close to every AV product in exitsence`
`21:45.25`	`End`	`hrm`
`21:45.27`	`End`	`weird then`
`21:45.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Supposedly that shares the files with AV companies too`
`21:45.37`	`bleeter`	`bugtraq might be better than cve`
`21:46.19`	`zenzelezz`	`Kaspersky at least has a "Send file for analysis" link on the program`
`21:46.23`	`bleeter`	`if Launcher.exe's not picking it up by now, I'd be filing a vulnerability against that`
`21:46.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: it isn't`
`21:46.36`	`End`	`Cide: yeah, you're right`
`21:47.03`	`Cide`	`but I support the notion of creating an addon`
`21:47.08`	`Cide`	`I hate the interceptor`
`21:47.13`	`ralfWORK`	`I was thinking Greasemonkey`
`21:47.14`	`ralfWORK`	`https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748`
`21:47.30`	`ralfWORK`	`Cide: dunno if you can make Greasemonkey do it, but it might be a start`
`21:47.43`	`Cide`	`I pay attention to the link url before I click it in the first place, not after I see it printed out in the interceptor`
`21:47.43`	`bleeter`	`I thought there was a greasemonkey script out there for the forums already`
`21:47.58`	`ralfWORK`	`oh, there might be!`
`21:48.12`	`ralfWORK`	`I've never used greasemonkey`
`21:48.40`	`Cide`	`http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/7432`
`21:48.41`	`Cide`	`yep`
`21:48.43`	`Cide`	`thanks`
`21:48.55`	`End`	`ah`
`21:48.57`	`End`	`well`
`21:49.07`	`End`	`I'm right actualy`
`21:49.08`	`ralfWORK`	`god I love the internet`
`21:49.19`	`End`	`warn() must do weird stuff though`
`21:49.22`	`bleeter`	`http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/7432`
`21:49.26`	`bleeter`	`bah, too fast cide`
`21:49.28`	`Cide`	`yes... it works`
`21:49.33`	`Cide`	`god, finally`
`21:49.37`	`ralfWORK`	`rofl`
`21:49.50`	`End`	`for example, cogwheel's sig: <a href="http://cogwheel.wowinterface.com" target="_new" onclick="return warn(this)">http://cogwheel.wowinterface.com</a>`
`21:50.18`	`Cide`	`nah`
`21:50.21`	`bleeter`	`Cairenn: ok, scratch what I said before, but you might like to pass on to Blizz that folks are mumbling about reporting Launcher.exe to vulnerability lists ;)`
`21:50.26`	`Cide`	`it simply does something like`
`21:50.30`	`cogwheel`	`ralfWORK: uber tyvm`
`21:50.42`	`Cide`	`this.href = "interceptor_url?url="+this.href; return false`
`21:50.43`	`End`	`and, onclick does what I expected...but...`
`21:50.54`	`ralfWORK`	`no prob`
`21:50.56`	`End`	`ahhh`
`21:50.56`	`\|pez\|`	`feh, the boyfriend is such a grumpy monster when he wakes up.`
`21:50.56`	`End`	`yea`
`21:50.57`	`Cide`	`I would guess, anyway`
`21:51.11`	`Cide`	`\|pez\|: he and every other sane human being on earth`
`21:51.12`	`End`	`I thought it just setting the window url or whatever :P`
`21:51.13`	`End`	`it's not`
`21:51.17`	`End`	`it's changing the link`
`21:51.28`	`\|pez\|`	`Cide: true`
`21:51.34`	`sysrage`	`mornings are EVIL`
`21:51.40`	`\|pez\|`	`it's not morning`
`21:51.47`	`sysrage`	`ok. waking up is evil`
`21:51.48`	`bleeter`	`gah, where's tuller when I want to stab him`
`21:51.52`	`\|pez\|`	`it's 22.51pm, and I just finished him dinner.`
`21:51.54`	`ralfWORK`	`it's a little creepy that there's an addon to manage addons :P`
`21:51.55`	`Cide`	`morning in this case is defined as 'when you wake up'`
`21:52.13`	`ralfWORK`	`waking up sucks`
`21:52.21`	`Lunessa`	`~time`
`21:52.22`	`purl`	`2008.01.14 21:52:22 GMT, or the fourth dimension`
`21:52.28`	`sysrage`	`most people i know have learned to keep their distance until i've been awake for a couple hours`
`21:52.45`	`zenzelezz`	`that's because you smell when you wake up`
`21:52.49`	`Lunessa`	`Give me caffeine and no one gets hurt.`
`21:52.54`	`bleeter`	`no`
`21:52.55`	`End`	`what's .search? o_O`
`21:52.56`	`bleeter`	`gief 2 me`
`21:53.01`	`Cide`	`zenzelezz: well.. it's not like the smell stops afterwards`
`21:53.11`	`sysrage`	`zenz: that too`
`21:53.20`	`zenzelezz`	`Cide: I assume he masks it with something or showers in the aforementioned hours`
`21:53.36`	`Cide`	`zenzelezz: isolation usually works`
`21:54.03`	`Cide`	`it's probably the only safe way to save his loved ones`
`21:54.16`	`Cide`	`(sorry sysrage :P)`
`21:56.19`	`Lunessa`	`back off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.`
`21:57.13`	`cladhaire`	`woot`
`21:57.21`	`cladhaire`	`i can win the Teron Gorefiend flash game`
`21:57.23`	`cladhaire`	`now I wanna raid`
`21:57.28`	`cladhaire`	`=(`
`21:57.33`	`ralfWORK`	`hahahaah`
`21:57.44`	`bleeter`	`mwhahahahaha... me > *`
`21:57.45`	`ralfWORK`	`I'm frightened that such a thing exists`
`21:57.56`	`ralfWORK`	`hometime bbl`
`21:58.11`	`Cide`	`cladhaire: that one's fun`
`21:58.22`	`Cide`	`but targeting is buggy`
`21:58.34`	`cladhaire`	`eh it worked okay for me :P`
`21:58.55`	`Cide`	`I sometimes got fucked because clicking on a target didn't target it`
`22:00.21`	`bleeter`	`if only getting really fucked was that easy`
`22:03.01`	`Cide`	`it is if you find a proper fuckee`
`22:05.31`	`Lunessa`	`Everyone should do that. nod`
`22:05.46`	`bleeter`	`bugger all quality in the fuckee department around here :(`
`22:06.10`	`bleeter`	`and I'd rather quality > quantity, hence I WoW ;)`
`22:06.27`	`Lunessa`	`proper... proper`
`22:07.32`	`Cide`	`aye, 'proper' in this case is defined as "who(what?)ever fits your desired quality/quantity ratio"`
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`22:09.33`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Shirik] by ChanServ`
`22:09.44`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: I'm getting Lua errors in Lightheaded when I ALT click on item links not in my local cache.`
`22:09.47`	`Cide`	`bah, since when did Shirik get operator status?`
`22:10.07`	`cladhaire`	`Polarina: don't do that :P`
`22:10.12`	`End`	`Since he became a moderator on wowi?`
`22:10.13`	`Cide`	`he can kick me for being a jerk to him now :/`
`22:10.28`	`Shirik`	`It's ok Cide I <3 you enough`
`22:10.35`	`Cide`	`phew!`
`22:10.57`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: Why?`
`22:11.38`	`cladhaire`	`Polarina: because it errors, duh`
`22:11.38`	`Shirik`	`Now what is this addon by cogwheel here, I hear bad things about this guy it can't be safe`
`22:11.56`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: You should fix it.`
`22:12.05`	`cladhaire`	`feel free to submit a diff`
`22:12.13`	`Polarina`	`cladhaire: It's your addon. :\|`
`22:12.18`	`cladhaire`	`I'ma ware`
`22:12.20`	`cladhaire`	`you make me do your work`
`22:12.26`	`cladhaire`	`why should I not have the same priviledge?`
`22:12.36`	`cladhaire`	`otherwise, it'll be fixed when I get around to it.`
`22:12.39`	`bleeter`	`cladhaire: 'coz u r uba`
`22:13.14`	`cladhaire`	`lulz killer`
`22:14.58`	`bleeter`	`anyone else using Tuller's Combuctor from SVN? If so, did the bank frame start ... er... screwing up recently?`
`22:15.24`	`bleeter`	`and yes, that's probably the best technical description I can think of to describe the issue I'm seeing`
`22:15.55`	`Shirik`	`It's ok, that's the kind of thing I expect on bug reports these days anyway`
`22:17.27`	`bleeter`	`'bank frame doesn't pop up, some items that are in the bank appear in local bag inventory, can still deposit into bank, can't withdraw (no frame), appears like half the bank frame is over the bag frame but the items look like they're in the bag - if you close the bag some of the non-existant bank frame appears with some of your items in it' :P`
`22:17.46`	`bleeter`	`is a rough outline`
`22:17.55`	`Shirik`	`" Nope I already know how to install it but the thing is the addons little button doesnt appear on my character screen. Oh and Im on Windows XP."`
`22:18.01`	`Shirik`	`" Not to be rude or anything but how can I not install it correctly its the simplest thing ever"`
`22:18.24`	`Shirik`	`"C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\sctd24\sctd\sctd.toc <--- theres one of my addons .Toc file"`
`22:19.11`	`Matrix110\|`	`:D`
`22:20.23`	`Cide`	`I'm pretty sure we need like`
`22:20.40`	`Cide`	`some kind of tool that users can use and it'll tell them if they installed their shit correctly`
`22:20.56`	`Shirik`	`I was just thinking that`
`22:20.57`	`Cide`	`an .exe would work but with the recent keyloggers, I dunno if that would be wise (not that it'd get keylogged, but still)`
`22:21.43`	`Shirik`	`I might write up a program to do that tbh`
`22:21.45`	`Shirik`	`Even if nobody uses it`
`22:22.01`	`Cide`	`a webpage would work too`
`22:22.15`	`Cide`	`but that would require people to zip their interface or addons folder`
`22:22.19`	`Cide`	`and upload it`
`22:22.49`	`sysrage`	`not practical. my addons folder is 120mb`
`22:23.04`	`Cide`	`and you have issues installing addons?`
`22:23.09`	`sysrage`	`lol no`
`22:23.13`	`Cide`	`exactly`
`22:24.20`	`sysrage`	`if somebody is too stupid to install your addon, tell them it's their problem. if you need them to use it cause you're a GL or something, write an installer that installs the necessary addons on a single click`
`22:24.55`	`Cide`	`sysrage: that's not the point`
`22:25.28`	`sysrage`	`guess i don't see a point. but i don't enjoy helping idiots`
`22:25.34`	`Cide`	`it's for forum topics like "Y DON MY ADNODS WROK?! I INSTAL CORKELTYR BUT NO DCEI"`
`22:25.45`	`Cide`	`I hate helping idiots`
`22:25.46`	`sysrage`	`why even respond to them?`
`22:25.57`	`Cide`	`that's why I write a tool - I like coding - to help them`
`22:26.10`	`Cide`	`well, I'm not exactly writing one, but I like the idea at least`
`22:26.16`	`sysrage`	`how 'bout you make sraidframes show buffs correctly, instead? :P`
`22:26.17`	`Cide`	`Shirik might be writing one!`
`22:26.21`	`sysrage`	`ooh a new ver.. did it get fixed?`
`22:26.26`	`Cide`	`what're you talking about?`
`22:26.32`	`Shirik`	`I might be`
`22:26.35`	`Cide`	`the only relation between sraidframes and me is that they stole my layout`
`22:26.40`	`sysrage`	`i'm mumbling`
`22:26.41`	`Shirik`	`I do happen to have visual studio open right now I'm just debating whether or not to do it`
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`22:26.47`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`heh`
`22:26.52`	`cogwheel`	`Shirik: I saw that`
`22:26.57`	`Shirik`	`NO YOU DIDN'T`
`22:26.58`	`sysrage`	`i know you're not the author. but you're AN author`
`22:27.04`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`22:27.13`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`doo eeet!`
`22:27.15`	`Shirik`	`I don't read the questions, you should know this by now`
`22:27.49`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`22:27.59`	`cladhaire`	`and he was a dick when it first came out`
`22:28.01`	`Cide`	`why read when you can write?`
`22:28.11`	`cladhaire`	`he stole your look, perfectraid's code and said it was "ZOMG MORE EFFICIENT THAN PERFECTRAID"`
`22:28.30`	`cladhaire`	`and i systematically went through, and told him exactly why every change he made to my code, made his version less efficient`
`22:28.58`	`sysrage`	`wait, perfectraid looks like srf? last time i looked i thought it was way different`
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`22:29.19`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`22:29.22`	`cladhaire`	`he took the core code`
`22:29.29`	`cladhaire`	`like all the important shit that makes addons run`
`22:29.31`	`sysrage`	`oh`
`22:29.37`	`cladhaire`	`the whole "raid frame" part of the raid frame addon`
`22:29.40`	`Shirik`	`rofl, someone in guild asked how they can speed up their framerate. I told them to do a /script WorldFrame:Hide()`
`22:29.40`	`cladhaire`	`it pissed me off to no end.`
`22:29.47`	`Shirik`	`a few seconds later they logged off`
`22:29.53`	`Cide`	`Shirik: that's great`
`22:29.58`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`haha`
`22:30.05`	`Cide`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:30.06`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`that's evil`
`22:30.14`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`oooh`
`22:30.24`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`they'd have to alt-F4 then`
`22:30.28`	`Cide`	`yep`
`22:30.32`	`bleeter`	`u guyz r lulz`
`22:30.47`	`Shirik`	`setfenv(0, {}) is just mean`
`22:30.52`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`how about: /run while true do end ?`
`22:30.52`	`Shirik`	`I did that once, it removed all my settings =(`
`22:31.03`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`indeed`
`22:31.15`	`bleeter`	`tbh, I'm suprised blizz don't protect against such simple DoS foo ;)`
`22:31.18`	`Cide`	`Esamynn\|Work: doubt that would increase the fps, given the one-thread design :P`
`22:31.26`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`ahh, true`
`22:31.27`	`Cide`	`s/one-thread/single-threaded/`
`22:31.40`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`I forgot what the key intent was ;)`
`22:31.42`	`cladhaire`	`i just re-read the thread`
`22:31.50`	`cladhaire`	`and saroz wasn't really a dick`
`22:31.54`	`cladhaire`	`but it pissed me off`
`22:31.57`	`cladhaire`	`i know, you're shocked :P`
`22:32.12`	`Cide`	`cladhaire? pissed off?!`
`22:32.18`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`not possible!`
`22:32.20`	`cladhaire`	`I NO!`
`22:32.30`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~lart cladhaire`
`22:32.30`	`purl`	`calls cladhaire on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home`
`22:32.40`	`Cide`	`haha`
`22:32.55`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`22:32.59`	`cladhaire`	`i'm gonna shower and then head off to bed`
`22:33.03`	`sysrage`	`are the screenshots of perfectraid on wowi the only way it can look? i'd love to use it but that just takes too much space for how i use raidframes`
`22:33.07`	`cladhaire`	`anyone who's interested in work on my lua bot with me, let me know`
`22:33.12`	`cladhaire`	`i'll make a repo and toss the code up somewhere`
`22:33.18`	`cladhaire`	`maybe if wow starts working`
`22:33.22`	`cladhaire`	`i could update an addon!!!`
`22:33.28`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~comfort clad\|sleep`
`22:33.29`	`purl`	`There, there, clad\|sleep. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`22:33.29`	`sysrage`	`nite`
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`22:37.28`	`cogwheel`	`WHY THE FUCK CAN'T WINDOWS TELL ME THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE *BEFORE* COPYING THE FUCKING FILES!!!!`
`22:37.42`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`22:37.43`	`cogwheel`	`Holy crap I don't want to have to copy 3 gigs over a 100mbps connection AGAIN`
`22:37.44`	`Shirik`	`I hate that too`
`22:37.44`	`Cide`	`because vista sucks. duh.`
`22:37.49`	`cogwheel`	`XP`
`22:37.54`	`cogwheel`	`so there!`
`22:37.54`	`Cide`	`vista sucks anyway.`
`22:37.55`	`Cide`	`duh.`
`22:37.56`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`22:38.10`	`Shirik`	`Vista is win`
`22:38.19`	`Cide`	`agreed`
`22:38.26`	`Shirik`	`why else would they call it WINdows`
`22:38.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`how can you have enough of a fan base to make a movie but not restart a series...`
`22:38.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart Shirik`
`22:38.46`	`purl`	`whips out his power stapler and staples Shirik's foot to the floor`
`22:38.53`	`Shirik`	`ow =(`
`22:39.16`	`bleeter`	`Shirik: it's called WINdows 'coz market testing showed that 'BunchaLusers' wasn't gunna sell well`
`22:39.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`and if there is one thing MS knows, it;s marketing`
`22:39.47`	`Cide`	`and BunchaLusers was a registered trademark of Apple already`
`22:39.53`	`Cide`	`they didn't want to get into a fight`
`22:40.00`	`bleeter`	`surely that was a BeOS TM?`
`22:40.10`	`Cide`	`it might've been gentoo`
`22:40.24`	`bleeter`	`nah, that's BunchaRicerTwats`
`22:40.29`	`Cide`	`oh`
`22:40.32`	`Cide`	`I mixed them up`
`22:40.38`	`bleeter`	`so easy to do`
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`22:41.23`	`bleeter`	`irony with that BeOS TM, is that Palm ended up with it... haha`
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`22:47.06`	`cogwheel`	`O.o`
`22:47.07`	`cogwheel`	`2) Macs cannot be keylogged at this time. The difference in the way the OS works prevents installing keyloggers. That may change in the future due to advances in technology or unintended lapses in the Mac security, but for now, you're probably safe (99% certainty).`
`22:47.51`	`cogwheel`	`can any macos peeps verify before I rip into him for spreading a false sense of security?`
`22:48.14`	`cogwheel`	`my understanding is the only reason macs aren't vulnerable to viruses is because no one writes viruses for macs`
`22:48.23`	`cogwheel`	`(viruses, keyloggers, etc.)`
`22:49.36`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`the only reason it would be more difficult to install a keylogger on a Mac is due to fewer security holes`
`22:50.20`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`and the fact that you'd need to find a keylogger written for the Mac ;)`
`22:50.24`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`or write one`
`22:50.31`	`MentalPower`	`cogwheel: feel free to rip at him`
`22:50.49`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`cogwheel: make it good, I want some entertainment 8)`
`22:50.56`	`cogwheel`	`meh`
`22:51.01`	`cogwheel`	`you'll think it's boring`
`22:51.03`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`22:51.38`	`MentalPower`	`theres two reasons macs are safer, first is that there are less known holes, and second the black-hat hackers are not currently interested in macs due to their minority market share`
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`22:51.46`	`MentalPower`	`windows PCs are still the most popular`
`22:52.00`	`Shirik`	`by far`
`22:52.06`	`MentalPower`	`so if you want a zombie swarm with the least ammount of effort, you write your shit for windows`
`22:52.57`	`MentalPower`	`now, its true that windows has more known holes, but that is also partly due to the increased exposure`
`22:53.30`	`MentalPower`	`cogwheel: link?`
`22:53.40`	`cogwheel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909376881&postId=38813085823&sid=1#13`
`22:54.03`	`Shirik`	`cogwheel wasn't mean enough`
`22:54.10`	`Shirik`	`but that probably has to do with his green-ness`
`22:55.44`	`Wobin_`	`cogwheel: roflrofl`
`22:55.47`	`Shirik`	`omfg`
`22:55.55`	`Shirik`	`This guy still is convinced his addons are installed correctly`
`22:55.57`	`Wobin_`	`I -totally- used a keylogger on the macs at school =P`
`22:56.03`	`Shirik`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909064582&postId=39998000343&sid=1#29`
`22:56.05`	`Shirik`	`Someone help`
`22:56.09`	`Wobin_`	`it's the only way we could install the games we wanted =P`
`22:57.10`	`Wobin_`	`Shirik: BUT IT'S NOT NEAT AND ORGANISED LIEK I LEIK IT!`
`22:59.05`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`poor cogwheel, when you said "rip into him", I thought you were actually going to rip into him, because he was being stupid enough to really deserve it, despite your green status`
`22:59.14`	`Matrix110\|`	`Keyloggers for WinXP actually use Security Holes? :P Most people install them by themselves`
`22:59.16`	`Shirik`	`you know what, I am going to write that program Cide`
`22:59.29`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Matrix110\|: indeed`
`22:59.31`	`MentalPower`	`Shirik: I just posted something that might help`
`22:59.40`	`Shirik`	`And I'm going to make it so that when you don't have them installed correctly it stabs you`
`22:59.55`	`Matrix110\|`	`I know they CAN use holes but most of them are installed by the user :P`
`23:00.07`	`MentalPower`	`Matrix110\|: once they're installed no, but some use holes to install them`
`23:00.16`	`MentalPower`	`s/them/themselves/`
`23:00.19`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Shirik: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/rtfm.png 8)`
`23:00.34`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`23:00.49`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`is that not just pure gold?`
`23:00.54`	`Shirik`	`it is`
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`23:05.41`	`Cide`	`Shirik: h8ce`
`23:05.47`	`Shirik`	`?`
`23:05.49`	`Cide`	`err. nice*`
`23:05.53`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`23:06.11`	`Shirik`	`I've forgotten how ugly Windows programs look when they are first created though`
`23:06.18`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`heh`
`23:06.31`	`Shirik`	`int APIENTRY _tWinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance,`
`23:06.31`	`Shirik`	`HINSTANCE hPrevInstance,`
`23:06.31`	`Shirik`	`LPTSTR lpCmdLine,`
`23:06.31`	`Shirik`	`int nCmdShow)`
`23:06.38`	`Shirik`	`o_o`
`23:06.50`	`Cide`	`use MFC to beautify it`
`23:06.58`	`Shirik`	`I'm trying to ween myself off MFC`
`23:07.04`	`Shirik`	`I used it too much in the past`
`23:08.10`	`buu`	`SHIRIK STAB.`
`23:08.15`	`Shirik`	`=(`
`23:09.13`	`cogwheel`	`I should delete this`
`23:09.15`	`cogwheel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3909376881&postId=38813086156&sid=1#17`
`23:09.17`	`cogwheel`	`I really should`
`23:09.46`	`sdouble`	`congrats on mvp cogwheel`
`23:09.52`	`cogwheel`	`thanks :)`
`23:11.28`	`Shirik`	`it's ok, I'll use your reply`
`23:11.44`	`Wobin_`	`Are you the goddamn batman?`
`23:11.52`	`Wobin_`	`~imagehosting`
`23:11.52`	`purl`	`hmm... imagehosting is http://images.gammatester.com/ by the courtesy of cladhaire`
`23:12.18`	`Wobin_`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c4424ca9b83a7192a9e690f2fba9bad5.jpg`
`23:12.35`	`clad\|sleep`	`"I'm the decision maker"`
`23:12.51`	`Shirik`	`go to sleep!`
`23:13.26`	`Shirik`	`it's ok I didn't use your name :)`
`23:14.12`	`kamdis`	`I was surprised you posted that Cog. Painful as it may be, I think that was the right call.`
`23:14.25`	`kamdis`	`besides, you have Shirik ;-)`
`23:14.34`	`Shirik`	`I have what?`
`23:14.42`	`kamdis`	`Cog has you`
`23:14.44`	`\|Jelly\|`	`herpes`
`23:14.45`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`23:14.48`	`kamdis`	`to call people retarded for him`
`23:15.02`	`cogwheel`	`:)`
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`23:20.02`	`\|Jelly\|`	`my god i'm glad I took a nap`
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`23:22.11`	`\|Jelly\|`	`"Post some facts or STFU." <-- is he serious? I mean ... he's trying to defend that Macs are immune to keyloggers, right? Or should I go find some coffee before reading the forums?`
`23:22.28`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`\|Jelly\|: no, you're right`
`23:24.21`	`\|Jelly\|`	`My face hurts.`
`23:24.31`	`End`	`I'm sure you could write him a keylogger ;-P`
`23:27.00`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Shirik: <333`
`23:27.10`	`Shirik`	`I don't think I was harsh enough`
`23:27.17`	`Shirik`	`I also don't like defending myself`
`23:27.26`	`\|Jelly\|`	`You weren't but it was a nice warm glass of SHUT THE FUCK UP.`
`23:27.33`	`End`	`in any case, I don't care if you'd have to be root to do it, there's gonna be a way to do a keylogger :P`
`23:29.17`	`\|pez\|`	`Ofcourse, it might not be as prone to keyloggers as e.g windows, but it might and probably will happen as some point.`
`23:29.26`	`clad\|sleep`	`yes, you could write a keylogger, it would be easy`
`23:29.30`	`clad\|sleep`	`the user would have to run it, specifically`
`23:29.35`	`clad\|sleep`	`and it wouldn't auto-restart`
`23:29.35`	`Shirik`	`Well of course`
`23:29.40`	`clad\|sleep`	`that can't be done without the admin password`
`23:29.41`	`Wobin_`	`You could call it "NotAKeyloggerReally"`
`23:29.45`	`clad\|sleep`	`but this guy is an idiot :P`
`23:29.46`	`Wobin_`	`or "AddonFixer"`
`23:29.52`	`Xinhuan`	`why bother?`
`23:30.10`	`Xinhuan`	`a point of futility`
`23:30.12`	`Xinhuan`	`:)`
`23:30.35`	`sdouble`	`or "MacAceUpdater"`
`23:30.50`	`\|pez\|`	`It's still possible, just more tedious.`
`23:30.51`	`clad\|sleep`	`:P`
`23:31.30`	`End`	`social engineering tends to defeat everything`
`23:32.03`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`I just find it funny that he accuses Shirik of spouting what his friends tell him, when that is obviously what HE is doing`
`23:32.34`	`Xinhuan`	`hahaha`
`23:33.16`	`End`	`and as \|pez\| mentions, it's quite likely more resilient against keyloggers, but claiming immunity is silly`
`23:34.00`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`~applaud Shirik`
`23:34.01`	`purl`	`ACTION pins Shirik to the wall with steak knives, then gives Shirik a hanging ovation`
`23:34.15`	`End`	`(and of course, vista is probably more resilient than xp)`
`23:34.22`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`"P.S. A contrapositive is where if p implies q, then not q implies not p. I have no idea what that has to do with this conversation." well done 8)`
`23:34.23`	`Shirik`	`vista is very resilient`
`23:34.33`	`Shirik`	`I've accidentally installed the UI Central keylogger once, it blocked it`
`23:34.38`	`Shirik`	`that was a few months ago :P`
`23:34.45`	`Xinhuan`	`accidentally?`
`23:34.54`	`Shirik`	`Yeah well I was debugging it and hit the wrong button`
`23:34.54`	`\|Jelly\|`	`SHIRIK LOGGED HIS OWN KEYZ!`
`23:35.00`	`\|pez\|`	`Woo, I'm right at something!`
`23:35.03`	`Shirik`	`Esamynn\|Work: hehe`
`23:35.09`	`Shirik`	`I had no clue wtf he was getting at there`
`23:35.41`	`Xinhuan`	`its called a "distraction" that makes your brain hurt`
`23:35.49`	`Xinhuan`	`then you'll go "hmm what was i thinking about?"`
`23:37.02`	`Shirik`	`oh hey he replied again!`
`23:37.02`	`Shirik`	`Yes!`
`23:37.05`	`Shirik`	`let's see what he said this time`
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`23:39.02`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`"Fact: x86 architecture is insecure. " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!`
`23:39.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`what's he running, a G5?`
`23:39.49`	`bleeter`	`you may not have noticed my comments the other day, Esamynn\|Work, where I told everyone I changed my forum avatar`
`23:39.56`	`bleeter`	`I wuz getting hassled ingame`
`23:41.30`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`this thread is entertaining, what a moron`
`23:42.31`	`Xinhuan`	`bookmarking it for future reading later LOL`
`23:43.29`	`kamdis`	`Game, set, match to Shirik.`
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`23:44.05`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`indeed`
`23:45.34`	`Shirik`	`I do believe his response does qualify as me winning`
`23:45.41`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Yes, it does.`
`23:46.12`	`Shirik`	`Oh btw, he has proven to me that he is a computer scientist`
`23:46.17`	`Shirik`	`I have no respect for computer scientists`
`23:46.31`	`Shirik`	`If you want to be hardcore you need to go the path of computer engineering`
`23:46.40`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lol`
`23:46.56`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Shirik: you got something against computing science?`
`23:47.03`	`Shirik`	`hehe`
`23:47.04`	`kamdis`	`if he'd been crawling around in kernels for 20 years would he really be talking about Java??`
`23:47.05`	`bleeter`	`he's responding to me`
`23:47.25`	`bleeter`	`with a tone that invited me to respond with Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit`
`23:47.30`	`kamdis`	`device drivers, rofl`
`23:48.03`	`Shirik`	`I write my device drivers in java`
`23:48.21`	`Shirik`	`Esamynn\|Work <3`
`23:48.43`	`Xinhuan`	`i am a computer engineer :)`
`23:48.50`	`Shirik`	`batrick knows what I'm talking about though. Computer engineering ftw.`
`23:48.58`	`Xinhuan`	`my specialization is in code optimization though hehe`
`23:49.11`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`note, Computing Science IS NOT the science of computers! :P`
`23:49.27`	`Shirik`	`specialization in avionics and realtime systems :D fun stuff`
`23:49.28`	`kamdis`	`I'm just saying that if device drivers are what he does for a living, that's kinda the butt end of programming.`
`23:49.33`	`kamdis`	`At least imo`
`23:49.52`	`kamdis`	`I apologize if I offended anyone.`
`23:49.58`	`Xinhuan`	`designing the chips, 1s and 0s and stuff was interesting, but boring :D`
`23:50.16`	`End`	`Algorithm Science? :P`
`23:50.17`	`Shirik`	`kamdis, it's really fun if you also designed the hardware itself`
`23:50.19`	`Shirik`	`the circuitry, etc.`
`23:50.21`	`End`	`algorithmologoy?`
`23:50.23`	`batrick`	`whats funny is that computer scientists only have the most basic idea of how a computer works`
`23:50.36`	`batrick`	`most i've met have no interest in learning`
`23:50.45`	`batrick`	`they are just gonna be application developers`
`23:50.51`	`batrick`	`didn't need a college degree to do that`
`23:50.57`	`kamdis`	`shirik, I can see that. I just didn't think his bragging about that particular task added to his "authority" any.`
`23:51.17`	`End`	`most "computer science" guys aren't real computer scientists`
`23:51.22`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`indeed`
`23:51.37`	`Kalroth`	`I wonder why Secunia got so many exploits on Mac OS X if it's so invulnerable. :)`
`23:51.39`	`Kalroth`	`http://secunia.com/product/96/?task=advisories`
`23:51.42`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Computing Science is a a hell of a lot older than computers`
`23:51.42`	`batrick`	`doesn't detract from my point`
`23:51.46`	`End`	`yea`
`23:51.56`	`Wobin`	`batrick: Speaking as an application developer, and going off experience managing some people, there are times when the degree helps, and times when it's just the person =)`
`23:52.18`	`batrick`	`i'd say _a_ degree helps, not a comp sci degree`
`23:52.25`	`Wobin`	`That's certainly true`
`23:52.30`	`Xinhuan`	`i'll say having the know-how of everything helps`
`23:52.32`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`it's just that most of the interesting stuff one would want to do in Computing Science requires the computational power of a computer`
`23:52.41`	`bleeter`	`most colleges/universities these days are pumping out 'computer scientists' who are merely fit for outsourcing roles, and not a role of a .. computer scientist`
`23:52.44`	`Xinhuan`	`right down to the transistors`
`23:52.45`	`Kalroth`	`All kinds of education helps :)`
`23:52.50`	`Wobin`	`or rather, a computing science degree is not the be all end all of possible degrees that helps`
`23:53.00`	`End`	`anyways, imo there's the "science" part, which deals with a lot with math, theory, and developing algorithms, and then the "engineering" part, which deals with application of algorithms and whatnot`
`23:53.02`	`Shirik`	`If you want to be a productive application developer I recommend getting a (real) degree in software engineering`
`23:53.07`	`Kalroth`	`But sadly education is rarely equal to knowledge.`
`23:53.09`	`Xinhuan`	`you need to know both imo`
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`23:53.21`	`Xinhuan`	`debugging hardware is really difficult otherwise`
`23:53.33`	`Wobin`	`Shirik: I could never get my mind around the electronics required for a engineering degree =P`
`23:53.34`	`Shirik`	`Software engineering is a bit of a complex field and a good school will teach you how to actually be productive (SRSs, etc.)`
`23:53.51`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`Xinhuan: why does every developer have to be able to debug hardware?`
`23:54.15`	`Xinhuan`	`you might have to, if you're writing software for that hardware`
`23:54.17`	`batrick`	`you don't need to debug hardware you need to understand how it works`
`23:54.18`	`Kalroth`	`Esamynn\|Work: He doesn't. But again, it helps when developing applications.`
`23:54.35`	`Shirik`	`especially robots! Whee`
`23:54.39`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`heh`
`23:54.39`	`Xinhuan`	`its not strictly necessary, but it helps`
`23:55.27`	`Kalroth`	`You don't need to know how compilers arrange data internally, but it helps. You don't need to know ASM to speed up your heavy calculation loops, but it helps. You don't even need to know about critical sections and multithreading, but it helps. :)`
`23:55.30`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`the Comp Sci I went through was close to what I think you guys are calling software engineering until you got into the grad school stuff`
`23:55.45`	`Kalroth`	`The more you know, the more you can avoid learning by failure. :)`
`23:55.59`	`Xinhuan`	`new reply!`
`23:56.00`	`Shirik`	`~dict immune`
`23:56.14`	`Shirik`	`~dict 3 immune`
`23:56.15`	`End`	`mine is mostly "software engineering" too, but it has a lot of actual computer science thrown in too`
`23:56.21`	`Shirik`	`~dict 4 immune`
`23:56.28`	`Shirik`	`purl, you fail`
`23:56.28`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps you for calling her a failure.`
`23:56.33`	`End`	`haha`
`23:56.37`	`End`	`~botsnack`
`23:56.37`	`purl`	`aw, gee, End`
`23:56.53`	`Xinhuan`	`it took me 2 hours to find this bug in Cartographer_Routes today -- the bug was due to a race condition between ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA firing, and GetRealZoneText() changing return values`
`23:56.58`	`Kalroth`	`Finally he gets it`
`23:56.59`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`End: indeed, one of my 2nd year courses was a joint one with engineering where we designed a basic CPU in VHDL`
`23:56.59`	`Kalroth`	`"It's obvious that with user permission you can install a program to do whatever you want. By that argument, every computer is equally insecure. And that is simply not true from a practical standpoint.`
`23:57.00`	`Kalroth`	`"`
`23:57.18`	`batrick`	`VHDL is hideous`
`23:57.22`	`Kalroth`	`The "Every computer is equally insecure" part anyways :p`
`23:57.22`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`it is`
`23:57.44`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`I wasn't say it's not`
`23:57.44`	`batrick`	`probably because it was developed by the government lolz`
`23:57.48`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`haha`
`23:58.01`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`I don't remember ANY of it`
`23:58.02`	`batrick`	`that's not to say the alternative is any better`
`23:58.16`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`just like I don't remember any of the assembly language I worked in in first year`
`23:58.51`	`Esamynn\|Work`	`but that sort of stuff can be re-learned, it's the concepts that are important`
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